a decision has been made
1447759;1460003211;ben_vulpes;man, wouldn't it be neat if CBlockIndex weren't actually a "tree-shaped structure"?
1447760;1460003242;ben_vulpes;or if comments stayed in sync with code or something?
1447761;1460003826;mircea_popescu;kik yup phf
1447762;1460028706;davout;best bid for the bitbet assets so far: 20 btc
1447763;1460028765;davout;also hanbot -> http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8435
1447764;1460028784;davout;tl;dr: FROM_UNIXTIME() yields localized strings, not GMT
1447765;1460029608;davout;best bid for the bitbet assets so far: 26 btc
1447766;1460030236;davout;best bid for the bitbet assets so far: 30 btc
1447767;1460030824;davout;best bid for the bitbet assets so far: 33 btc
1447768;1460031361;PeterL;is bidding almost over?
1447769;1460031636;davout;best bid for the bitbet assets so far: 34 btc
1447770;1460031656;davout;PeterL: keeps going until one hour elapses after the last bid
1447771;1460031834;PeterL;ben_vulpes would you hire a guy who sent you this? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e6b34c9c-a218-4740-8f68-2048b244fdae/?raw=true
1447772;1460032330;shinohai;https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016/04/06/hackingteams-global-export-license-revoked/ <<< top keks
1447773;1460032738;mircea_popescu;davout> tl;dr: FROM_UNIXTIME() yields localized strings, not GMT <<< time implementation is dumb. see also
1447774;1460032757;mircea_popescu;hm. hey phf : http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22localize+that%22 vs http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189592
1447775;1460032782;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, what's it supposed to be ? http://btcbase.org/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 ? http://btcbase.org/log/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 ?
1447776;1460032832;mircea_popescu;davout wow, taking off huh ?
1447777;1460032840;davout;meanwhile, the bitbet auction best bid is at 41 btc
1447778;1460032922;mircea_popescu;PeterL sounds like the usual cocky bullshit infantile idiots with a useless degree and too much reddit exposure spout.
1447779;1460032928;mircea_popescu;could make an ok diner cook, i spose.
1447780;1460032935;mircea_popescu;with the right antidepressant medication.
1447781;1460032960;PeterL;but isn't it the same kinda stuff ALF is always complaining about?
1447782;1460032982;mircea_popescu;and the inept robber and the underpaid policeman also engage in "the same kinda stuff"
1447783;1460033283;davout;meanwhile, the bitbet auction best bid is at 50 btc, aka one full Bitcoin block reward
1447784;1460033391;asciilifeform;woah
1447785;1460033436;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447772 << news at never'o'clock - 'microshit's license revoked'
1447786;1460033467;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447771 << hire to what? sweep floor ?
1447787;1460033521;asciilifeform;related lulz: http://archive.is/IMAJu
1447788;1460033530;asciilifeform;'More than 40% of Americans who borrowed from the government’s main student-loan program aren’t making payments or are behind on more than $200 billion owed, raising worries that millions of them may never repay.'
1447789;1460033541;asciilifeform;'... The picture has improved slightly from a year earlier, when the nonpayment rate was 46%, but that progress largely reflected a surge in Americans entering a program for distressed borrowers to lower their payments.'
1447790;1460033558;asciilifeform;and, best of all,
1447791;1460033574;asciilifeform;'The Education Department has assembled a “behavioral sciences unit” to study the psychology of borrowers and why they don’t repay. “We obviously have not cracked that nut but we want to keep working on it,” said Ted Mitchell, the Education Department’s undersecretary. He said many defaulted borrowers dropped out of school and are underemployed.'
1447792;1460033787;davout;je viens de mettre une enchère à 60 btc sur bitbet
1447793;1460033794;davout;oops, wrong chan
1447794;1460033825;davout;The bitbet auction best bid now stands at 60 btc
1447795;1460034207;PeterL;asciilifeform> (it is, i think, imitating the rear engine block of 12 cyl 'ferrari' with its air cooled motor) << I always thought it was supposed to provide some shade, keep inside car from heating up in the sun?
1447796;1460034224;mircea_popescu;heh
1447797;1460034242;mircea_popescu;let's study why people who live off the dole don't build the empire that was.
1447798;1460034247;mircea_popescu;o noes, i wonder. why could it be.
1447799;1460034262;mircea_popescu;davout fancy that!
1447800;1460034516;mircea_popescu;http://fr.anco.is/2016/so-long-paymium#comment-8391 << interesting point, actually.
1447801;1460034531;mircea_popescu;anyone cares enough to see if whoever's left at paymium wants to do a qntra interview ?
1447802;1460034656;mircea_popescu;o wow look at that, pete - znort - davout three way free for all! lol.
1447803;1460035473;mircea_popescu;PeterL that also.
1447804;1460035592;davout;The bitbet auction best bid now stands at 63.1337 btc
1447805;1460035730;mircea_popescu;im so fucking curious what are the limits of the various parties involved and if any whale lurks lol.
1447806;1460035741;mircea_popescu;but all in all this is SO MUCH like eulora auctions i can't fucking believe.
1447807;1460035763;mircea_popescu;is it past the end ? what's the cutoff, 1 hr from 10:28 art ?
1447808;1460035879;davout;The bitbet auction best bid now stands at 70 btc
1447809;1460035901;davout;mircea_popescu: one hour after the bid war has stopped basically
1447810;1460035932;mircea_popescu;right so technically speaking, time of last bid + 1 hr, and last bid is at 10:33 ie right now
1447811;1460035983;davout;10:33 ar time
1447812;1460036004;mircea_popescu;ye
1447813;1460036194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'More than 40% of Americans who borrowed from the governments main student-loan program arent making payments << incidentally... i own a coupla of these.
1447814;1460036225;mircea_popescu;they'll make any payments sometime after microsoft-loses-license-o'clock.
1447815;1460036543;mircea_popescu;o wow kakobrekla bid 33 even.
1447816;1460038656;davout;still 12 minutes left to outbid pete_dushenski
1447817;1460039160;davout;3 minutes left !
1447818;1460039284;davout;60 seconds
1447819;1460039354;davout;AAAAAAAND IT'S SOLD !
1447820;1460039466;mircea_popescu;nice! who got it, pete ?
1447821;1460039468;danielpbarron;;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats on winning bitbet!
1447822;1460039468;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1447823;1460039477;mircea_popescu;yeah good going.
1447824;1460039509;davout;wait
1447825;1460039517;danielpbarron;btw his clearsigned thing got mangled by your site, davout ; easy fix to confirm is add two hyphens to each group of hyphens
1447826;1460039519;davout;znort bid 71
1447827;1460039530;davout;danielpbarron: i usually add tags
1447828;1460039536;davout;imma check the precise timestamps
1447829;1460039539;danielpbarron;oh whoops
1447830;1460039543;danielpbarron;i didn't refresh
1447831;1460039565;danielpbarron;;; later tell pete_dushenski whoops, false alarm!
1447832;1460039565;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1447833;1460039566;davout;danielpbarron: yeah, i'm adding them myself since wp is retarded
1447834;1460039634;mircea_popescu;hmm seems there's a 71 ?
1447835;1460039635;mircea_popescu;ah yea
1447836;1460039665;PeterL;cutting it close to the deadline, did the bid get in on time?
1447837;1460039674;*;mircea_popescu pictures various groups frantically trying to gather more liquidity while the +1 btc bit bought them a little time etc
1447838;1460039711;danielpbarron;hm, that latest bid doesn't seem to be signed properly
1447839;1460039735;danielpbarron;not that you said signing is required
1447840;1460039752;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1447841;1460039767;PeterL;semms the comment system is magling the pgp-isms inline signaling
1447842;1460039785;danielpbarron;well i was able to fix pete's myself and see that it verified, but the same trick didn't work on znort's
1447843;1460039789;davout;so the bid is valid
1447844;1460039790;davout;http://dpaste.com/2R5EZ6J.txt
1447845;1460039793;davout;see ^
1447846;1460039806;PeterL;such drama!
1447847;1460039830;danielpbarron;so is the auction over or did that extend it?
1447848;1460039833;davout;also i fell of chair when i discovered wp_comments table has two fields comment_date_gmt, and comment_date
1447849;1460039841;davout;danielpbarron: it's not over
1447850;1460039853;danielpbarron;oh ok so my congrats wasn't so retarded
1447851;1460039901;davout;danielpbarron: it's *not* over
1447852;1460039909;davout;the sig is valid once i add s
1447853;1460039934;danielpbarron;right, i thought maybe znort had made the bid an hour ago and it was he who won
1447854;1460039967;*;danielpbarron is notoriously bad at auction times
1447855;1460040527;mircea_popescu;lively times.
1447856;1460041205;davout;half an hour left to take home bbet
1447857;1460041219;davout;if anyone cares i'm done bidding
1447858;1460041234;davout;OR MAYBE NOT :D
1447859;1460041281;davout;everyone's my sockpuppet except pete who's being milked for the shareholders
1447860;1460041291;mircea_popescu;wait, wut
1447861;1460041294;asciilifeform;is wotless rando still in first place ?
1447862;1460041298;davout;just kidding
1447863;1460041304;davout;asciilifeform: dude is in wot
1447864;1460041324;davout;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/znort987/
1447865;1460041330;asciilifeform;davout: so is decimation, what of it
1447866;1460041346;davout;he's not wotless that's all
1447867;1460041358;PeterL;I forget, what did decimation do wrong?
1447868;1460041363;davout;$gettrust znort987
1447869;1460041385;mircea_popescu;PeterL you think anyone here enumerates badness ?
1447870;1460041398;mircea_popescu;there isn't any air for the whole "oh i did nothing wrong" contribution.
1447871;1460041411;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1447872;1460041411;davout;deedbot dead?
1447873;1460041419;davout;$gettrust deedbot znort987
1447874;1460041420;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1447875;1460041423;PeterL;meh, just wondering, I guess I can search through logs
1447876;1460041450;asciilifeform;PeterL: he was this fella whom hitler hired to waste our time for ~2y
1447877;1460041464;asciilifeform;didn't even deny it with any serious vigour when confronted.
1447878;1460041477;PeterL;aha
1447879;1460041506;davout;looks like pete is done bidding
1447880;1460041535;davout;this znort fellow doesn't show up when grepping my logpile
1447881;1460041545;mircea_popescu;mine either.
1447882;1460041576;asciilifeform;hence rando
1447883;1460041581;davout;l'argent n'a pas d'odeur
1447884;1460041593;davout;pecunia non olet
1447885;1460041691;mircea_popescu;wasn't he asking for "the logs" or somesuch ?
1447886;1460041734;asciilifeform;he was!
1447887;1460041748;davout;where ?
1447888;1460041761;mircea_popescu;i dunno on your site somewhere.
1447889;1460041762;asciilifeform;in one of the signed bids.
1447890;1460041775;mircea_popescu;it's pretty lulzy, bitbet never actually kept logs.
1447891;1460041776;asciilifeform;http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8398
1447892;1460041783;asciilifeform;'Although this is not a requirement, and assuming he has kept a copy, I would also appreciate
1447893;1460041786;asciilifeform;if Matic could, as a matter of courtesy, provide the complete logs for the site.
1447894;1460041789;asciilifeform;'
1447895;1460041824;davout;aha, i misunderstood, thought he asked pointers to the forum's logs
1447896;1460041835;asciilifeform;can anyone suggest a reason why an honest man might ask for such a thing ?
1447897;1460041842;davout;aaaaand pete is back in the race with a 72 btc bid
1447898;1460041881;PeterL;mircea_popescu mpex faq still points to #bitcoin-assets
1447899;1460042073;mircea_popescu;ah yeah it;s getting fixed eventually.
1447900;1460042104;gernika;asciilifeform: aqcuirers of web sites typically want all sorts of metrics about the site that might be in the logs.
1447901;1460042104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, www world is enamoured with "metrics" and whatnot
1447902;1460042114;mircea_popescu;word.
1447903;1460042131;asciilifeform;hm ok
1447904;1460042456;davout;aaaaand we're at 73
1447905;1460042473;davout;guess imma make myself some tea, this isn't going to be resolved today at this rate
1447906;1460042502;mircea_popescu;lol.
1447907;1460042551;mircea_popescu;i have a trilema article all ready for when this finally happened, went to bed expecting to publish it this morn... no dice...
1447908;1460042564;*;asciilifeform feels like complete idiot for having had notions of buying
1447909;1460042590;mircea_popescu;why ?
1447910;1460042668;PeterL;asciilifeform maybe you just took the wrong strategy, should have waited until the end to go from .001 to 9 btc, scare everybody else off
1447911;1460042706;mircea_popescu;in any case he held top bid for a longer interval than the eventual winner is likely to :D
1447912;1460042728;mircea_popescu;see alfie, metrics. they make any reality more palatable.
1447913;1460043628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it still tastes like rusty nailz
1447914;1460043686;asciilifeform;and at any rate, 9 was my top bid because... that was all the coinz i had.
1447915;1460045770;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1447916;1460045782;davout;aaand pete_dushenski takes the lead with a 74 btc bid
1447917;1460045790;mircea_popescu;i just checked lol.
1447918;1460046045;mircea_popescu;so is the guy znort or znor ?
1447919;1460046172;shinohai;And znort counters with 75 ).0
1447920;1460046289;phf;exciting
1447921;1460046389;mircea_popescu;so i installed chromium to check it out.
1447922;1460046399;mircea_popescu;holy shit this thing is inept.
1447923;1460046457;mircea_popescu;shares a bar for url and search ? "click here to log what you type in url bar which we now call omnibar" ? there's no way to see cookies, all you can do is "obliterate" items, and limited to "from the past...." so you can't actually purge the shitbag ?
1447924;1460046462;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ever said chromium is usable ?
1447925;1460046487;mircea_popescu;popups to translate pages "not in the languages i speak" ? wtf does it know what languages i speak
1447926;1460046495;phf;mircea_popescu: you've not looked at "modern" browsers in a while
1447927;1460046503;mircea_popescu;oh, don't tell me, i could "save setings online and access them from any browser"
1447928;1460046506;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people.
1447929;1460046510;mircea_popescu;phf bout five years.
1447930;1460046544;mircea_popescu;"continue rtunning background apps when chromium is closed" thing takes the cake. nigga, say wut ?!
1447931;1460046562;phf;yeah, that's about how long it's been since you could get a decent browser behavior. i think that's when firefox switched from "general purpose xul renderer" to "modern browser"
1447932;1460046582;mircea_popescu;whats that even mean.
1447933;1460046886;mircea_popescu;"the web" as a sort of google-run itunes store ? in the grand tradition of the bbs archive ?
1447934;1460047440;mircea_popescu;shinohai any bets on who wins in the end ? :D
1447935;1460047588;mircea_popescu;81!
1447936;1460047746;davout;and why's pete_dushenski not around?
1447937;1460047752;mircea_popescu;ya srs.
1447938;1460047767;davout;fucking casual
1447939;1460047773;mircea_popescu;lol. werd.
1447940;1460048076;phf;betting 74btc from his iphone at a brunch or something
1447941;1460048312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there ARE NO sane graphical wwwtrons
1447942;1460048320;asciilifeform;'chromium' was, last i knew, the ~least~ braindamaged
1447943;1460048324;asciilifeform;but this is not saying much.
1447944;1460048485;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it could possibly qualify.
1447945;1460048525;PeterL;what would you use instead?
1447946;1460048570;asciilifeform;^
1447947;1460048576;mircea_popescu;instead of what ?
1447948;1460048580;asciilifeform;i ~won't~ use firefox, for instance.
1447949;1460048587;PeterL;instead of chromium?
1447950;1460048590;asciilifeform;it is a steaming megatonnne of shit.
1447951;1460048610;mircea_popescu;i dunnoi, im not that into gfx browsers.
1447952;1460048614;PeterL;firefox used to be the best, now it just feels slow and clunky when I try to use it
1447953;1460048629;mircea_popescu;atm trying a thing called "seamonkey"
1447954;1460048631;asciilifeform;PeterL: it leaked memory from day1
1447955;1460048638;PeterL;aha
1447956;1460048648;PeterL;has the leak gotten bigger with time?
1447957;1460048742;trinque;meanwhile chromium's got "native client"
1447958;1460048771;trinque;because who doesn't want to run binary blobs in a web page?
1447959;1460048846;trinque;google reinvents activex, is so totally not msft of 2010s
1447960;1460048906;mircea_popescu;heh
1447961;1460048940;jurov;acc. to my hands-on experience, haskell's problem is not the cpu
1447962;1460048972;jurov;but that it took the "machine with unlimited memory" abstraction and took it to extreme
1447963;1460049025;asciilifeform;jurov: unlimited memory, instantaneous movement of data, magical i/o...
1447964;1460049055;asciilifeform;motherfucking MONADS
1447965;1460049058;jurov;but making it split work between cores is much easier
1447966;1460049077;asciilifeform;at the cost of doing 25x moar wurk total.
1447967;1460049080;jurov;than to get it not to hog memory by filling it with lazy comuptation thunks
1447968;1460049150;jurov;i had to mark almost *everything* by "yes compute this now, not leave it to later"
1447969;1460049198;asciilifeform;jurov: ml (predecessor of haskell) is sorta like haskell but without some of the more egregious mental illnesses
1447970;1460049204;asciilifeform;(e.g., no laziness)
1447971;1460049288;mircea_popescu;honestly a proper modern fortran would prolly be worth the time to make. this specifically means upgrading it more towards derive than towards haskell
1447972;1460049315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how is a 'towards Derive' a fortran ?!
1447973;1460049353;asciilifeform;fortran has no redeeming value, period
1447974;1460049356;mircea_popescu;recall what our dispute (of sorts) re ada ended up resolving as ? "hey man - it may pretend it's not like c - but it's like c".
1447975;1460049367;asciilifeform;for fucks sake it isn't a c
1447976;1460049370;mircea_popescu;there's fundamentally two ways to approach computing : as an engineer and as a mathematician.
1447977;1460049373;asciilifeform;unless abused egregiously
1447978;1460049394;mircea_popescu;there's some shoddy solutions for the first. chiefly, c. people don't like them, but it is also possibly the case that they've gotten as close as possible.
1447979;1460049396;asciilifeform;can use EXCLUSIVELY safe arrays, can AVOID ENTIRELY pointers. ergo not 'a c'
1447980;1460049399;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, for the latter, there's... r ?
1447981;1460049401;asciilifeform;qe'fucking'd
1447982;1460049414;mircea_popescu;wouldja let go of that and look where i'm saying!
1447983;1460049427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for the latter, common lisp.
1447984;1460049432;asciilifeform;(or, if space-constrained, scheme.)
1447985;1460049437;mircea_popescu;so i don't have to point out to you that yes it is, "even" "mod" etc.
1447986;1460049438;asciilifeform;why do you need the infix claptrap ?
1447987;1460049466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu reads 3 pages of ada examples and spews nonsense re same
1447988;1460049481;asciilifeform;srsly, consider reading the rationale ?
1447989;1460049495;mircea_popescu;mk, we have to [re]do that discussion in depth, i guess.
1447990;1460049523;asciilifeform;the 'even' thing was not a built in op !
1447991;1460049529;asciilifeform;it was an ~example~ somebody wrote.
1447992;1460049533;mircea_popescu;how about mod ? how about > ?
1447993;1460049537;phf;alf is deeply infatuated at the moment with ada, so you should wait a few months :p
1447994;1460049554;asciilifeform;phf: actually i don't much enjoy ada
1447995;1460049561;asciilifeform;i just don't see ANY practical alternative to it
1447996;1460049564;mircea_popescu;"mod is not definable here because hey, abstract types. nevermind, > is defined, fuck abstract6 types".
1447997;1460049566;mircea_popescu;it's a c.
1447998;1460049575;mircea_popescu;the criteria YOU use for c-ness is not unversal.
1447999;1460049578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly say what you think of as 'a c'
1448000;1460049585;asciilifeform;this would be helpful
1448001;1460049585;phf;asciilifeform: well, same way as no particular alternatives were seen to tinyscheme few months ago
1448002;1460049595;asciilifeform;phf: afaik there still are none!
1448003;1460049600;asciilifeform;show me one!
1448004;1460049610;mircea_popescu;" people don't like them, but it is also possibly the case that they've gotten as close as possible." <<< we're in exact agreement, here. no alternative known, and not likely possible.
1448005;1460049624;mircea_popescu;but that doesn't change the fucking fact!
1448006;1460049630;asciilifeform;~which~ fact
1448007;1460049805;mircea_popescu;an engineering machine is one where you define bitcoin max coins as it's defined, and you end up with a max equal to 20999999.9769 btc.
1448008;1460049823;phf;asciilifeform: recall that i spent probably most time here on tinyscheme going as far as writing swank integration and unreleased bignums, i'm saying that you go through phases of "this is how we solve bitcoin". i grok the value of ada, and i grok the value of scheme, but neither are alternative-less. in fact with the amount of skill available, simply hacking on btc consistently we would've been further along
1448009;1460049825;mircea_popescu;a math machine is one where you define bitcoin max coins and the sum works properly and the series converges to 21mn
1448010;1460049868;mircea_popescu;so this is what i mean by "it's a c" : whatever the fuck you do, it's still going to be an ugly hack where you "can't define this" but nevertheless define THAT, which is just as broken.
1448011;1460049883;mircea_popescu;it's true that haskell tries and splendidly fails at being not-this.
1448012;1460049891;mircea_popescu;what's that do for anyone.
1448013;1460049986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dja grok what i'm talking about ?
1448014;1460050065;davout;aaaand pete_dushenski is at 85
1448015;1460050070;asciilifeform;phf: ENTIRELY different applications. tinyscheme was suggested SPECIFICALLY for embedding in large cpp program with ~tiny~ loc budget
1448016;1460050080;asciilifeform;NOT for safety-critical software
1448017;1460050087;asciilifeform;which - is is my belief - must NOT garbagecollect
1448018;1460050088;asciilifeform;ever.
1448019;1460050103;asciilifeform;and i am NOT interested in further hacking on cpp turd.
1448020;1460050108;asciilifeform;except to the purpose of SHRINKING same.
1448021;1460050115;mircea_popescu;why's this guy so emotional. yo!
1448022;1460050129;asciilifeform; <+mircea_popescu> so this is what i mean by "it's a c" : whatever the
1448023;1460050129;asciilifeform; fuck you do, it's still going to be an ugly hack where
1448024;1460050129;asciilifeform; you "can't define this" but nevertheless define THAT,
1448025;1460050132;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1448026;1460050132;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1448027;1460050132;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1448028;1460050143;asciilifeform;^ false
1448029;1460050147;mircea_popescu;eh ?
1448030;1460050187;asciilifeform;CAN define.
1448031;1460050192;asciilifeform;just gotta use BRAIN.
1448032;1460050211;mircea_popescu;how are you going to define a sorting rule for a type you don't know yet.
1448033;1460050223;asciilifeform;by knowing it ?
1448034;1460050243;mircea_popescu;so then are you saying ada shouldn't allow either mod or > ?
1448035;1460050256;mircea_popescu;ie, that the thing as-is is broken, and should be fixed, but other than that the idea is ok ?
1448036;1460050269;asciilifeform;what i'm saying is that operating on machine integers when you really mean something quite else, is braindamaged
1448037;1460050278;asciilifeform;use machine integers when they fit.
1448038;1460050278;mircea_popescu;this is not germane to the discussion.
1448039;1460050306;asciilifeform;point being that i can define, e.g., a 48-bit mantissa and 11-bit exponent, and USE THIS and ada will behave sanely.
1448040;1460050315;asciilifeform;and place the bits CPU-independently.
1448041;1460050317;mircea_popescu;also not germane to the discussion.
1448042;1460050352;asciilifeform;...?
1448043;1460050359;mircea_popescu;aite brb, ima state this moar formally.
1448044;1460050465;mircea_popescu;the problem is this : in ada manual it is said, "So we see that the predicate in the subtype Even cannot be a static predicate because the operator mod is not permitted with the current instance. But mod could be used in an inner static expression." ; it is further said "and, in addition, a call of a Boolean logical operator and, or, xor, not whose operands are such static predicate expressions, and, a static predicate expres
1448045;1460050465;mircea_popescu;sion in parentheses."
1448046;1460050465;mircea_popescu;to the question "why did they not define EVEN correctly, eschewing this problem they perceive with mod" you answer that " ada is a civilized lang like commonlisp and there is NOT a presumption that integers are machine words !". This objection, if accepted as the correct response, ALSO invalidates using, say, XOR, and for the same reason.
1448047;1460050505;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem here being, obviously enough, that the FORMALISM used to describe math for and in computers is shit. and yes, on that shitty basis you will never have math, but an engineering-useful hack.
1448048;1460050519;mircea_popescu;so yes, i can understand WHY you'd like it, think you need it, see it as best or better.
1448049;1460050521;asciilifeform;this much cannot be escaped.
1448050;1460050530;mircea_popescu;but all this ~fundamentally c discussion~ which is EXACTLY what it is,
1448051;1460050543;mircea_popescu;has no bearing on the problem that hey, math is still not represented, and some people'd like it to be.
1448052;1460050544;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting to hear what is 'fundamentally c'
1448053;1460050549;mircea_popescu;this!
1448054;1460050554;mircea_popescu;this "hey, it doesn't work, sign here"
1448055;1460050560;asciilifeform;thus far it sounds like 'why wash hands after shitting, there are microbes everywhere'
1448056;1460050584;mircea_popescu;no, it sounds like until the day you can machine-represent an irrational quality without rounding, you're lying to yourself about having washed anything.
1448057;1460050585;asciilifeform;to me, c MEANS buffer overflows and idiot type casts, and pointers.
1448058;1460050587;mircea_popescu;so then : this is c.
1448059;1460050592;mircea_popescu;yeah well, we're different people.
1448060;1460050612;asciilifeform;if you want rational numeric tower (as mircea_popescu describes above) you are condemned to lisp.
1448061;1460050617;mircea_popescu;and this is why it goes all the way down to fortran. the unresolved problems are actually very deep.
1448062;1460050619;asciilifeform;with all of the costs.
1448063;1460050628;asciilifeform;fortran is quintessentially a c
1448064;1460050632;asciilifeform;but with braindamaged syntax.
1448065;1460050648;mircea_popescu;maybe miserable example, in retrospect.
1448066;1460050649;phf;or apl
1448067;1460050654;asciilifeform;(btw anyone who pines for fortran, need not search long, it is on your box right now, in gcc)
1448068;1460050660;mircea_popescu;i picked it as a point because of the "abstract number" thing, ie, redefine 4.
1448069;1460050674;asciilifeform;redefining 4 worked as a strings parser trick
1448070;1460050679;mircea_popescu;(that is in practice an equivalent of the mantissa trick, it allows you to get out of all sorts of problems)
1448071;1460050681;asciilifeform;not because it had any general concept of number.
1448072;1460050695;mircea_popescu;yeah well. my theoretically-useful example failed the test of practice.
1448073;1460050712;asciilifeform;the precise handling of bits is, afaik, unique to ada and commonlisp
1448074;1460050720;asciilifeform;where i can specify EXACTLY how the bits lay down
1448075;1460050758;asciilifeform;as illustrated in yesterday's link
1448076;1460050867;mircea_popescu;but in the end, i say this : the difference between 20999999.9769 and 21000000.0000 is the unpayable change. point of fact remains that we can't escape this situation where we draw one thing, and the machine pops up another thing.
1448077;1460050894;mircea_popescu;and the problem is not, apparently, resolvable by fixing the machines. even if you had ideal machines, they'd still haveto halve blocks, and the results would still conceivably be... this.
1448078;1460050901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: easy, just don't use the idiot ieee float
1448079;1460050915;asciilifeform;use sufficient bits for the representation of the WHOLE range.
1448080;1460050919;asciilifeform;SOLVED
1448081;1460050929;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand.
1448082;1460050935;mircea_popescu;satoshis are integers. they are not floats.
1448083;1460050941;asciilifeform;so then ?
1448084;1460050945;mircea_popescu;problem persists.
1448085;1460050950;asciilifeform;from where comes this imaginary problem, i dun see it
1448086;1460050979;mircea_popescu;nothing imaginary about it, it's factual. the sum total of all satoshi in existence once the bitcoin ran its course will not be 21mn, but 131k satoshi less.
1448087;1460050996;asciilifeform;so you represent it as a quotient.
1448088;1460051004;asciilifeform;this is called 'rational arithmetic'
1448089;1460051012;mircea_popescu;there is no way to represent "all the numbers between 1 and 2" in a finite space.
1448090;1460051037;asciilifeform;why ALL the numbers ?
1448091;1460051039;jurov;mircea_popescu: there is, using ranges
1448092;1460051042;asciilifeform;represent the ones you can actually produce.
1448093;1460051052;mircea_popescu;jurov ranges are a sort of abstraction unavailable to computers.
1448094;1460051062;asciilifeform;satan help you if you are actually in need of 'reals'
1448095;1460051068;asciilifeform;they don't EXIST in engineering.
1448096;1460051077;asciilifeform;never did.
1448097;1460051080;mircea_popescu;it is, in places such as ada, "must use contiguity" the EXACT equivalent of "my ai program thinks because the procedure is called <>"
1448098;1460051091;asciilifeform;nope.
1448099;1460051092;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as contiguity or ranges that machines can grok.
1448100;1460051109;asciilifeform;the possible values of a byte ~are~ contiguous.
1448101;1460051115;phf;i don't understand why the point mircea_popescu would be so controversial among compscis here, it's sort of the whole point of numerical analysis
1448102;1460051120;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, among even numbers 2 - 8 is as much of a range as 1-4 is among natural numbers.
1448103;1460051128;mircea_popescu;phf me either.
1448104;1460051131;phf;alf keeps saying that there are localized solutions to various classes of numerical problems
1448105;1460051142;jurov;mircea_popescu: there's "unum" numeric system that does support ranges, and is improved replacement of ieee floats
1448106;1460051146;phf;mp keeps saying that you don't have a way to solve it as an abstract
1448107;1460051147;mircea_popescu;it's well established for ~3 centuries now, i kinda feel like leibniz already.
1448108;1460051156;asciilifeform;you define the field, and work in it
1448109;1460051156;phf;which is entirely true, this is like intro to von neumann 101
1448110;1460051162;asciilifeform;why is this a painful concept ?
1448111;1460051207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't define jack shit for a cpu without actually lying somewhere about what you did. is the problem.
1448112;1460051213;jurov;btw, i doubt continuum can be grokked by humas, either
1448113;1460051219;jurov;*humans
1448114;1460051228;mircea_popescu;maybe not.
1448115;1460051258;jurov;all we have is some deryp prrof that "we think of something that we don't know how to map to N"
1448116;1460051262;phf;it's a philosophical discussion, and mp, not being a programmer, is realizing that ada or c or .. is not actually it from where he stands, doesn't mean can't be used, just not magick.
1448117;1460051273;asciilifeform;machine is not magical, no.
1448118;1460051287;mircea_popescu;let's work a simple example. suppose the case is that your machine is required to behave coherently with the rule that " among even numbers 2 - 8 is as much of a range as 1-4 is among natural numbers". the MOMENT your solution to this was "simple, just take $i*2", you have in fact c'd it.
1448119;1460051291;asciilifeform;but it IS possible to make abstraction that does not leak until you run out of memory.
1448120;1460051318;mircea_popescu;phf worse that that, utterly undermines the fundamental reason against many things we supposedly argue against fundamentally.
1448121;1460051384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in your terms : it IS NOT possible to make abstraction that does not leak until [condition about machine and only machine]. ALL the abstractions you make WILL leak once you run out of BRAIN.
1448122;1460051398;phf;mircea_popescu: fwiw a lot of vlsi research in the 70s and 80s was about that, how do we make bedrock a lot less engineery, but that all died with microcomputer revolution(sic)
1448123;1460051405;asciilifeform;when you run out of brain, all bets are off.
1448124;1460051425;mircea_popescu;basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
1448125;1460051434;mircea_popescu;this, if sad, is an insecapable fact of the trade.
1448126;1460051441;mircea_popescu;phf aha.
1448127;1460051464;mircea_popescu;i agree the crisis may only be in my head, but in point of fact i'm getting a whole paradigm reallignment thing, slightly queasy atm.
1448128;1460051490;asciilifeform;the one and only sane fact is that we are stuck with CPU designed when ram was $50/kB.
1448129;1460051492;jurov;isn't this parallel with old greeks thinking "all numbers are rational".. till they found out they can't?
1448130;1460051501;asciilifeform;*sad fact
1448131;1460051504;mircea_popescu;quite paralel.
1448132;1460051571;phf;except opposite? all the math, until you find out that immediately available reality is finite
1448133;1460051583;asciilifeform;not only finite, but discrete.
1448134;1460051592;mircea_popescu;phf the greeks notably thought they can build things, because they know "the actual value of pi"
1448135;1460051606;asciilifeform;the very first thing you learn of a computer, 'this thing has N states, yes, it is a large N, but N is an INTEGER'
1448136;1460051615;mircea_popescu;except the larger the things they tried to build, the worse it got. but then they fixed it. because, as alf the greek beedog says, "it IS possioble to make wall that won't leak!!11"|
1448137;1460051655;mircea_popescu;so yea, i would say this is very much equivalent. we CAN'T actually make computer systems. and every time we try to make a larger one, we're stuck re-calculating a sort of "pi"
1448138;1460051676;mircea_popescu;about which the only thing that can be rightly said is that - it will crash the next larger system.
1448139;1460051677;asciilifeform;this is directly 'why wash hands, sanitation doesn't exist.'
1448140;1460051686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that i am proposing no action.
1448141;1460051698;asciilifeform;but it is the perfect and in fact traditional excuse for inaction.
1448142;1460051712;mircea_popescu;when i say "therefore - we should all eat an onion" you can bring that obhection
1448143;1460052109;mircea_popescu;or to put it another way : the reason software houses denegerate into makework facilities is much more fundamental than any sort of policy. in point of fact, a numeric computer of the sort we're using is NOT useful in either logic or math but as a shorhand for an actual logician or mathematician that takes the abortive nonsense the machine spits out, and enchants it into actual usable truth.
1448144;1460052149;mircea_popescu;and there's no way to specify him out of the machine or vice-versa. for reasons that perhaps go all the way to godel
1448145;1460052176;mircea_popescu;(and yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447493
1448146;1460052282;mircea_popescu;this'd make the "march lords in a wot - take your fief and guard it" naive approach to date actually very well grounded both factually and now philosophically ; and also offer a ready explanation of "why all this shit everywhere!"
1448147;1460052284;asciilifeform;it remains possible to write proggy that behaves - demonstrably - correctly for ALL electrically-possible inputs.
1448148;1460052302;mircea_popescu;yes. but it remains impossible for this proggy to be useful in the abstract :)
1448149;1460052302;asciilifeform;what ~isn't~ possible, per godel, is to arrive at this using brute idiocy
1448150;1460052320;phf;(that's one of the reasons i thought one of the more effective ways of organizing computer human interaction is have an equivalent of dune mentat backed by a computer, i.e. an advisor to decision makers who performs computation and analysis. something like that existed at the height of apl, and i know a handful of now old apl-ers who sat on boards and were responsible almost exclusively for "running the numbers")
1448151;1460052322;asciilifeform;yes, idiots want this for phreee, without having to UNDERSTAND what they did.
1448152;1460052336;asciilifeform;phf: this remains the only practical thing.
1448153;1460052337;asciilifeform;anywhere.
1448154;1460052353;mircea_popescu;so it does. for reasons better understood now, at least by me.
1448155;1460052355;asciilifeform;it is, i think, how mircea_popescu uses bitcoin, for instance.
1448156;1460052376;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is exactly how the trade houses used to work,
1448157;1460052385;phf;in which case the kind of machines that the mentats are backed by require very particular characteristics, e.g. power above "novice usability" etc. so lisp machines and apl machines
1448158;1460052387;asciilifeform;think of a ship's telegraph.
1448159;1460052391;mircea_popescu;before the "mentats" got into depression, heavy drinking and asscrack-cracksnorting.
1448160;1460052398;asciilifeform;captain did not turn knobs on the steam machine himself!
1448161;1460052418;asciilifeform;phf: it is my intention to bring this back, full bore.
1448162;1460052429;asciilifeform;to the mentat - the mentat's
1448163;1460052434;asciilifeform;to caesar - caesar's (tm) etc.
1448164;1460052459;mircea_popescu;cesar, the guy whose name became an office
1448165;1460052468;mircea_popescu;even in countries far distant in time and space, that couldn't rightly spell it./
1448166;1460052500;asciilifeform;aha.
1448167;1460052608;mircea_popescu;in short, and to sum up : there may never exist such a thing as the "general purpose computer"
1448168;1460052648;phf;the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui
1448169;1460052795;phf;of course, general purpose computer was always a device that high cast professional would sit in front in order to do computations, augmented by external systems or additional special purpose interchangeable boards. at least that was a pretty shared vision from engelbard to symbolics before the microcomputer
1448170;1460052826;mircea_popescu;im thinking it was actually a delusion, driven by peculiar circumstance that was both exceptional and unlikely to repeat.
1448171;1460052833;phf;yes :/
1448172;1460052841;mircea_popescu;much of the same substance as rms' "oh, all things belong to all people", ie, lazy reductionism.
1448173;1460052848;mircea_popescu;but hey, welfare works for as long it works, so does this.
1448174;1460052905;phf;well, it was post-war boomers, left leaning hippie intelligentsia who grep up on asimov and such, in a country awash with free money, all that euro gold
1448175;1460052939;phf;culture that percolated into mass media through star trek federation and such
1448176;1460052957;mircea_popescu;i am left without a solid basis to protest the use of magic numbers in code ;/
1448177;1460053475;mircea_popescu;but at least the whole "technology offers no solution for human problems" intuition now has much better footing in fact.
1448178;1460053583;mircea_popescu;anyway. the forever-bitcoin, ready to be buried under the sea or w/e, is not happening. because : " how are you going to define a sorting rule for a type you don't know yet. by knowing it ?" is actually inescapable.
1448179;1460053640;mircea_popescu;btw phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447752 is actuallyt trivially checked, i have the logs of when it dc'd.
1448180;1460053643;mircea_popescu;lesseee.
1448181;1460053713;phf;i feel like i have some code laying around to do comparison, but won't have wandwidth for a bit
1448182;1460053723;phf;*wandwidth
1448183;1460053751;mircea_popescu;Nov 27 03:56:48 * assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1448184;1460053751;mircea_popescu;Nov 27 03:57:31 ;;bc,stats
1448185;1460053751;mircea_popescu;Nov 27 03:58:53 * assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets
1448186;1460053764;phf;oh fair
1448187;1460053856;phf;about 2 minutes round time, yeah that's what i'm getting just doing an aggressive reconnect. note that there's possibly a lack of log visibility few seconds before it "quit"
1448188;1460053862;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-27#936365 << missing
1448189;1460053864;mircea_popescu;confirmed.
1448190;1460053895;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448178 << poppycock.
1448191;1460053928;mircea_popescu;$up idioter
1448192;1460053930;deedbot;idioter voiced for 30 minutes.
1448193;1460053940;mircea_popescu;tis a dream alf. a dream!
1448194;1460053984;mircea_popescu;http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8471 << so it seems the winner is znort guy, 86 btc bid.
1448195;1460054023;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1448196;1460054027;gribble;Current Blocks: 406197 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 1034 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1448197;1460054032;asciilifeform;program that behaves sanely for all time so long as the iron holds up, is a reality. i write'em.
1448198;1460054052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform browser ?
1448199;1460054074;phf;so doing awk through my logs, there's almost 10k lines "missing"
1448200;1460054082;mircea_popescu;this is WHY your "fits in head", btw. well justified cover for the "on the basis of the pi we know, the largest house that can stand is 11 feet tall"
1448201;1460054101;asciilifeform;if you could kill the shitstack, incl gpu, yes - even browser.
1448202;1460054105;mircea_popescu;phf some of that could be unresolved netsplits ?
1448203;1460054109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1448204;1460054110;idioter;hello. i made a withdrawal on coinbr.com from mpex about 4 days ago. i have been told i need to talk to mircea popescu about it.
1448205;1460054156;mircea_popescu;idioter yeah loads of btc moving since mpex sale. hold tight, you'll get it.
1448206;1460054284;idioter;is there any approximate information about when the withdrawals will be made?
1448207;1460054294;mircea_popescu;i'd expect today/tomorrow.
1448208;1460054305;mircea_popescu;but mostly, today.
1448209;1460054463;idioter;o.k. thank you
1448210;1460056419;pete_dushenski;since 5:30am onwards, my goodness what an eventful day
1448211;1460056477;pete_dushenski;see stan, even kulaks set wake-up alarms sometimes.
1448212;1460056631;mircea_popescu;lol i guess you're gonna buy a new car with the btc thus saved ?
1448213;1460056677;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1448214;1460056680;asciilifeform;ah he lost
1448215;1460056692;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: something like that
1448216;1460056734;mircea_popescu;anyway, re earlier discussion, i guess it'd be worth belabouring the point that nothing therein contained is an argument against using ada. it's still a great technical solution, for bounds checking, for other reasons, it's still a great practical solution, for native linkability with c object code, for other reasons. same stands for scheme, still best option for a scripting language for bitcoind.
1448217;1460056772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re thread, see also earlier threadz re 'impedance matching'
1448218;1460056779;mircea_popescu;impedance yea
1448219;1460056803;asciilifeform;as in 'why using 19 bit integer is 25x slower than 16'
1448220;1460056813;asciilifeform;the concept pervades physics.
1448221;1460056831;mircea_popescu;"why is no insect larger than a breadbox"
1448222;1460056859;asciilifeform;well that's more euclidean geometric (surface/volume)
1448223;1460056865;mircea_popescu;(contrary to what noob scientists may think, "a breadbox" is neither arbitrary nor undefined in that sentence)
1448224;1460056875;asciilifeform;this'd be more of a 'why is ear shaped like-so'
1448225;1460056906;shinohai;Thanks for making my day entertaining anyway pete_dushenski o/
1448226;1460056919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform geometry doesn't really matter until physics decides d^x is a factor :D
1448227;1460056928;pete_dushenski;shinohai: yw!
1448228;1460056977;pete_dushenski;;;later tell davout don't scare-excite me like that next time! (wait, what next time?) also, i wanted to show up here, but couldn't quite meditate and irc atst
1448229;1460056977;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448230;1460060008;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor.html
1448231;1460060008;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448232;1460060012;asciilifeform;^ and anyone else
1448233;1460060021;asciilifeform;spiffy resource.
1448234;1460060705;mircea_popescu;such first and only comment.
1448235;1460060774;asciilifeform;classic homework idler
1448236;1460060796;asciilifeform;quite familiar species to regular readers of 'stack overflow' and similar.
1448237;1460060798;mircea_popescu;"Ada.Text_IO is a "package" that comes with Ada. (In Ada 83, the package name is just Text_IO, and for compatibility, Ada 95 also accepts the shorter name.) We'll learn more about packages later."
1448238;1460060802;mircea_popescu;such win.
1448239;1460064570;deedbot-;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] That time I let outright ownership of BitBet slip through my fingers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/
1448240;1460065375;pete_dushenski;^updated. realised i'd left the calculated p/e in months rather than the standard years.
1448241;1460065439;mircea_popescu;well technically it started 0.0001 0.0002
1448242;1460065526;pete_dushenski;aha. was speaking to two other points in s.bbet's history however : peak and present
1448243;1460065545;mircea_popescu;the auction
1448244;1460065554;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron and thestringpuller also bid
1448245;1460065564;pete_dushenski;o sorry that, left those out because unsigned
1448246;1460065788;mircea_popescu;ah thats a point
1448247;1460066207;pete_dushenski;heh fr.anco.is shows pingbacks in 'recent comments'. i'll take the free advertising.
1448248;1460066223;phf;gg
1448249;1460066539;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43089
1448250;1460066564;BingoBoingo;;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg
1448251;1460066564;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448252;1460066706;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43091
1448253;1460066759;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43090
1448254;1460066773;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: mine was signed..
1448255;1460066788;pete_dushenski;thus, yours was the first bid
1448256;1460066790;pete_dushenski;at 9 btc
1448257;1460066808;pete_dushenski;there were no signed bids before that
1448258;1460066853;asciilifeform;hm looks like.
1448259;1460066868;phf;so i don't read hackernews or reddit, they are mentioned here a lot though, so i decided to check if a sale of bitcoin company for 86BTC (damn) is going to get mentioned anywhere. nope. nada.
1448260;1460066978;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1448261;1460067016;asciilifeform;no paulgraham catamites or phoundation scum involved - ergo no mention.
1448262;1460067306;asciilifeform;in other 'news', http://users.cis.fiu.edu/~weiss/ada.html << useful data structures stuff
1448263;1460067310;asciilifeform;mod6 et al ^
1448264;1460067431;mircea_popescu;phf they mostly get mentioned derisively, tho. it's a sort of templeos/timecube/whatever, they got their alt-reality, sticking to it, nothing happens in it, etc.
1448265;1460067478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what did templos ever do to you!111
1448266;1460067490;mircea_popescu;weirdo guy going on about god something or the other ?
1448267;1460067512;asciilifeform;with motherfucking sane orthogonal persistence!1
1448268;1460067540;mircea_popescu;so you like templeos because it has persistence and graham because, apparently, gavin doesn't have to work for a living.
1448269;1460067553;mircea_popescu;you're a man with an open heart, what.
1448270;1460067629;asciilifeform;1ofthesethings is not like theotherz!11 (tm) (r)
1448271;1460067632;pete_dushenski;phf: if the sale of a bitcoin company for 250k btc didn't get mentioned, a measly 86 btc sale doesn't stand much chance of crossing the lips of the peeple
1448272;1460067640;asciilifeform;1ofthesethingz doesn't belong!1
1448273;1460067650;mircea_popescu;"it wasn't a real company because we didn't count for shit in the sale"
1448274;1460067665;mircea_popescu;you know, sorta like how "russia is not real country because putin doesn't invite obama over"
1448275;1460067684;asciilifeform;precisely that way.
1448276;1460067710;asciilifeform;or, even more so, 'ghadafi is not a real sovereign because he doesn't come to davos'
1448277;1460067722;mircea_popescu;"and his nurses are hawt"
1448278;1460067722;phf;top /r/bitcoin post is about some guy for bought bitcoin for $20 that he forgot about, now has $800k. this is like The Sun style bullshit "found million dollars in gradma attick"
1448279;1460067745;mircea_popescu;but it's precisely what it is.
1448280;1460067754;asciilifeform;phf: it is also handy waterfall legend
1448281;1460067776;asciilifeform;'who is selling 800k of coin? not usg!111 you hatefact-peddling nazi. it's this bloke in his attic'
1448282;1460068062;asciilifeform;http://www.findlayw.plus.com/KDF9/emulation/emulator.html << irrelevant but very interesting imho.
1448283;1460068065;asciilifeform;mod6 et al ^
1448284;1460068088;asciilifeform;(example of large ada application)
1448285;1460068196;asciilifeform;incidentally, very pertinent to earlier thread,
1448286;1460068210;asciilifeform;because the kdf9 had ~weird~ (by modern standards) data types, e.g., 96-bit mantissa, etc.
1448287;1460068220;asciilifeform;and these are emulated, pretty elegantly.
1448288;1460068221;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/7721937b94021017b390613747b70b10/tumblr_o0f40swxzv1tk9udjo1_1280.jpg
1448289;1460068282;asciilifeform;48-bit integers...
1448290;1460068300;asciilifeform;6-bit chars.
1448291;1460068335;mircea_popescu;you know, thinking about it... what exactly is the rationale even of the concept of "int" ?
1448292;1460068345;mircea_popescu;it's a cheap hack to get things cached through "registers", sure.
1448293;1460068346;mircea_popescu;so ?
1448294;1460068362;mircea_popescu;cpu should have proper cache ; wtf is a "register" even in 2016.
1448295;1460068379;mircea_popescu;there is ~no reason to use the c representation or notion of number at all.
1448296;1460068385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the 1-bit cpu thread ?
1448297;1460068388;asciilifeform;i turned one up !
1448298;1460068390;mircea_popescu;aha.
1448299;1460068391;asciilifeform;a month or 2 ago
1448300;1460068393;asciilifeform;it existed.
1448301;1460068402;asciilifeform;registers as long as you like, on a whim.
1448302;1460068412;mircea_popescu;it's not directly clear the notion of bit is even relevant
1448303;1460068413;mircea_popescu;aha!
1448304;1460068434;asciilifeform;(you can trivially bit-serial add/subtract, but not mult/div unless by powers of the base)
1448305;1460068517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you gotta pick some quantum of info for the logic to operate on.
1448306;1460068527;asciilifeform;(personally i favour the... trit)
1448307;1460068559;asciilifeform;but otherwise registers are a necessary evil, a teaspoon-sized bucket is possible but generally not wanted
1448308;1460068608;mircea_popescu;i'm unpersuaded. yes the breadbox is neither arbitrary nor undefined in the bug discussion. here however, no such benefit. there is no "size".
1448309;1460068614;asciilifeform;i dug out the 1-bit cpu because i have a weakness for exotic archs that might be amenable to optical or otherwise 'this handful of switching elements' incarnation.
1448310;1460068650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bit-serial arithmetic is slow. and bit-serial storage is slow.
1448311;1460068667;asciilifeform;the use of registers was the original parallelization, if you will.
1448312;1460068683;asciilifeform;('let the n bits add at once' etc)
1448313;1460068707;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated but omfg i can't believe this - cascadia dwelling derpy mother of slavegirl that wants to think of self as "fiber artist" but otherwise crochets like any old woman since time immemorial, landed what to her appears as a very good deal. she sells her stuff in a senior citizen center gift shop. for a 15% comission. to understand each other : she provides the merchandise. she provides the sales workforce. sh
1448314;1460068707;mircea_popescu;e takes home 15 cents out of a dollar in receipts.
1448315;1460068717;mircea_popescu;i'm in awe of what ustardia can do to people.
1448316;1460068731;asciilifeform;^ apple app store !11
1448317;1460068742;asciilifeform;or any dead tree publisher
1448318;1460068750;asciilifeform;(where in fact author is lucky to see 3-5%)
1448319;1460068750;mircea_popescu;dude... what happened to full price for the stock + full wage for me selling it + benefits.
1448320;1460068753;mircea_popescu;fucking unions won.
1448321;1460068755;mircea_popescu;totally.
1448322;1460068791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i know the history of how it ended up in. i'm just saying, it really is pretty stupid, useless and wtf already.
1448323;1460068839;asciilifeform;it is classic app store - 'don't like it? go sell on the street, keep 100% of the pennies you get'
1448324;1460068878;asciilifeform;the folks who carved up and own the whole fucking universe, are responsible for this.
1448325;1460068885;asciilifeform;which is why i fundamentally cannot hate rms, say
1448326;1460068892;asciilifeform;any fly in their soup is a friend of mine.
1448327;1460068911;asciilifeform;the more poisonous - the better.
1448328;1460068936;mircea_popescu;"the folks" you speak of are wholly imagined.
1448329;1460068938;asciilifeform;recall the lab robot thread ?
1448330;1460068942;mircea_popescu;like wizard of oz.
1448331;1460068947;asciilifeform;the owners are not imagined.
1448332;1460068955;asciilifeform;every sidewalk tile i step on has owner.
1448333;1460068956;mircea_popescu;yeah, they are. again : wizard of oz.
1448334;1460068957;mircea_popescu;nobody there.
1448335;1460068974;mircea_popescu;nothing you can possibly touch in a day of trying has an owner. nothing.
1448336;1460068998;mircea_popescu;it's mortgaged, hypotecated, securitized, sold, bought and transfered. nothing belongs to anyone or anything.
1448337;1460069004;mircea_popescu;you think the situation is peculiar to gold ? it is not.
1448338;1460069007;asciilifeform;i suspect even my arse has owner, somewhere in a filing cabinet some parasite has title to it.
1448339;1460069013;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1448340;1460069016;mircea_popescu;nonsense.
1448341;1460069064;asciilifeform;ah i see what mircea_popescu meant re gold etc.
1448342;1460069067;asciilifeform;this, yes.
1448343;1460069070;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1448344;1460069084;asciilifeform;but my point was that folks-who-definitely-aren't-me own the whole lot.
1448345;1460069089;mircea_popescu;so... no. no folks. no anything. just a snake of pressed shit eating its tail and wondering why the process is lossy.
1448346;1460069094;asciilifeform;like in the 'pioneers land' trilema article.
1448347;1460069097;asciilifeform;all carved up.
1448348;1460069105;mircea_popescu;this isn't a point, this is a psychogenic bit of nonsense.
1448349;1460069161;mircea_popescu;a similar cognitive process would be to say : a) i don't fuck bricks ; b) another exists ; c) therefore, another fucks bricks.
1448350;1460069194;*;asciilifeform sees where mircea_popescu is going.
1448351;1460069216;mircea_popescu;and ftr, the woman would make 10x to 100x more selling on street.
1448352;1460069219;asciilifeform;it is a lulzy reversal, actually, normally it is i who 'none of these apparent X are true X'
1448353;1460069227;mircea_popescu;da fuck, most buskers make more than her by a fat margin.
1448354;1460069241;asciilifeform;busker != old woman selling sweaters
1448355;1460069249;asciilifeform;busker is a very active, in your face thing
1448356;1460069252;mircea_popescu;which is the problem here. even when it works, the "appstore" didn't work for the rational reason, but for the irrational one.
1448357;1460069270;mircea_popescu;as evidenced to me and for my needs by the plain fact that even when the actual rational explanation is no longer applicable,
1448358;1460069273;mircea_popescu;the behaviour continues.
1448359;1460069320;mircea_popescu;these people are, basically, very dedicated cultists. they WANT a CERTAIN SOMETHING to be how things work. and will disregard and ignore anything and everything else. because they're not, fundamentally, opressed. they're, fundamentally, nazis.
1448360;1460069333;BingoBoingo; i'm in awe of what ustardia can do to people. << PUBLISHING!!!
1448361;1460069335;hanbot;mircea_popescu it's possible something like that is the cheaper option for a certain sort of person in a certain sort of context
1448362;1460069342;hanbot;particularly when old age enters into this.
1448363;1460069343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja have in ro the old folks holding up pictures of stalin ?
1448364;1460069345;mircea_popescu;it is not possible, no.
1448365;1460069346;asciilifeform;in '90s
1448366;1460069351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. quite.
1448367;1460069364;asciilifeform;so - them!
1448368;1460069378;asciilifeform;right here they are, i imagine, holding up reagan
1448369;1460069384;hanbot;the initiative and work involved in the actual sales is rarely something an old woman can accomplish
1448370;1460069386;asciilifeform;or if not yet, will soon.
1448371;1460069396;mircea_popescu;hanbot but she has to do the sales as it is!
1448372;1460069403;hanbot;oh, seriously?
1448373;1460069417;mircea_popescu;the only thing she can't do is, construct the mental infrastructure of pretense she subscribes to.
1448374;1460069431;hanbot;i thought it's some sort of leave yer shit in our kiosk and we'll sell it sorta deal
1448375;1460069438;mircea_popescu;much like byzantine peasant couldn't construct the orthodox delusion ; much like alf teh bee dog can't construct washington.
1448376;1460069448;mircea_popescu;yet there they are, mesmerized contributors.
1448377;1460069466;mircea_popescu;hanbot no, she physically mans the kiosk. like the job someone would be normally hired to do, and get a wage.
1448378;1460069468;mircea_popescu;except she doesn't.
1448379;1460069707;asciilifeform;ok now ~that's~ bizarre.
1448380;1460069712;BingoBoingo;So, I drove by well over a million dollars in ruined construction equipment this morning.
1448381;1460069768;BingoBoingo;Apparently some asshole dug into a 10 inch natural gas pipe
1448382;1460070025;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/SydLw
1448383;1460070151;asciilifeform;zimbabwes weren't meant to have piped gas.
1448384;1460070165;asciilifeform;they heat with cow shit.
1448385;1460070283;BingoBoingo;You'd be surprised where they pipe gas here
1448386;1460070310;BingoBoingo;Anyways, my zimbabwe is prolly less zimbabwe than yours.
1448387;1460070317;asciilifeform;point being, the time will come when $infrastructure explodes and is not repaired.
1448388;1460070321;asciilifeform;not in a week, not in a month.
1448389;1460070337;asciilifeform;like the sov towns in far east that are frozen ghost towns now.
1448390;1460070359;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you say this, but i've never seen fireballs emerging from the asphalt.
1448391;1460070384;asciilifeform;and when i get small voltage dip and call repair truck, it shows up in 40 min.
1448392;1460070388;asciilifeform;max.
1448393;1460070413;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Did not emerge from asphale, about 15-20 feet away from asphalt. Crew that exploded pipe was doing some shit to prep the site for an old folks home.
1448394;1460070417;asciilifeform;nor are washington bridges yet falling.
1448395;1460070509;asciilifeform;note also that the far east ghost towns in su, but moscow is not.
1448396;1460070528;asciilifeform;like it or not, 'good things flow to the city'
1448397;1460070540;asciilifeform;(as do the scum, yes)
1448398;1460070554;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1448399;1460070560;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> like the sov towns in far east that are frozen ghost towns now. << this makes one hell of a trip btw.
1448400;1460070607;mircea_popescu;and tbh, at some point in the 90s moscow was half falling over, actually.
1448401;1460070618;mircea_popescu;fortunately no earthquakes. hopefully they mostly fixed it.
1448402;1460070624;mircea_popescu;bucharest was in the same position.
1448403;1460071105;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: washington bridges might not be falling, but what kind of a nation's capital closes light rail lines ?
1448404;1460071343;hanbot;didn't i see some pic or other of moscow's main freeway, >15 lanes, absolutely gridlocked?
1448405;1460071532;hanbot;not sure alive > dead
1448406;1460071631;mircea_popescu;that was the roaring 2010s tho neh ?
1448407;1460072792;mod6;good convo today re: ada/c/math machine, etc.
1448408;1460072814;mod6;i want math machine
1448409;1460073215;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes i can see why you like that shelbyllet : it's aircraft meets muscle car. and wouldja check out that inboard/pushrod suspension! mega-nifty. largely unseen on street cars outside lambo aventador ($500k) and, of course, pagani ($1mn+++)
1448410;1460073215;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448411;1460073332;mod6;pete_dushenski: hey I did get your message about the weird balance thing. i've seen that myself too.
1448412;1460073335;mod6;wallet sucks shit
1448413;1460073356;pete_dushenski;omfg do they ever
1448414;1460073383;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] BitBet auction: a winrar is znort987 - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-auction-a-winrar-is-znort987
1448415;1460073407;pete_dushenski;not like i wasn't planning how i'd overcome this retardation if i was going to be handling >100 txen per mo, but hey, someone else's problem now i guess
1448416;1460073686;mod6;asciilifeform: thanks for the ada link
1448417;1460073834;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448250 <<< i just did, ty!
1448418;1460073891;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448228 <<< sorry! i have to admit i was slightly disappointed to see you didn't take bb home
1448419;1460073996;pete_dushenski;davout: cheers. you're probably not the only one who would've preferred known and (somewhat) trusted owner vs. unknown quantity, but hey money talks and bullshit walks.
1448420;1460074008;mod6;btw, these logs could use a hh:mm:ss ts on the front
1448421;1460074032;mod6;glad to be back reading the logs though.
1448422;1460074046;mod6;so cheers for getting them up and going. :]
1448423;1460074053;ButtNewsButt;http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitbet-auction-closes/
1448424;1460074078;deedbot-;[Qntra] BitBet Auction Closes - http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitbet-auction-closes/
1448425;1460074181;mircea_popescu;mod6 they have it on mouseover.
1448426;1460074193;davout;BingoBoingo: the "highest bid at 86 Bitcoin" link has extra spaces
1448427;1460074250;mod6;mircea_popescu: ooh. huh. no wonder i didn't see it.
1448428;1460074285;BingoBoingo;davout: fxd'd I think?
1448429;1460074309;davout;BingoBoingo: half fixed
1448430;1460074316;mircea_popescu;davout to try and get a final settlement here, i owe you 199.45006789, add to which 13.37 ; you owe me 86 for to be distributed to the shareholders, add to which 4.83378422 from the hotwallet, add to which 3.35043347 (335.04334737×.01), comes to 118.63585027 altogether. that sound right ? winner pay you yet ?
1448431;1460074381;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: Znor987 << there's a "t" in there
1448432;1460074424;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not in the name as he presented it with the winning bid
1448433;1460074459;BingoBoingo;davout: I am not seeing extra spaces in there
1448434;1460074503;mircea_popescu;in a stroke of incomprehensible, ancient beings brilliance, minimal value of bitbet as established by signed contract in 2012 (100 btc) is almost within 10% of liquidation value of bitbet as established by free market / receiver, of ~89.35.
1448435;1460074516;davout;BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/sWmXWPr.png
1448436;1460074521;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ya, that's weird, i guess i goes by both ?
1448437;1460074547;BingoBoingo;davout: Should be fixed
1448438;1460074557;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: notbadatall
1448439;1460074558;davout;mircea_popescu: lemme check all that tomorrow when i'm fully woken up :D
1448440;1460074564;mircea_popescu;davout werks.
1448441;1460074597;davout;the payment has just arrived
1448442;1460074610;mircea_popescu;cool beans.
1448443;1460074625;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I am tentatively adding the t as per davout's announcement
1448444;1460074633;mircea_popescu;woulda sucked if we had to redo it or w/e bs.
1448445;1460074685;mod6;leibniz invented that mechanical calculator right?
1448446;1460074691;BingoBoingo;davout: Now it should be fixed, but I do not see anything wrong with hyperlink extending to trailing space.
1448447;1460074696;mod6;like early 17th century?
1448448;1460074701;asciilifeform;mod6: complicated.
1448449;1460074705;mircea_popescu;mod6 he certainly made one
1448450;1460074706;davout;BingoBoingo: aha
1448451;1460074712;mircea_popescu;who invented the thing is iffy, many people did
1448452;1460074722;mod6;oh, yeah, probably not the first or anything.
1448453;1460074734;BingoBoingo;greeks might have made them too
1448454;1460074742;mod6;for his dad's accounting practice or what not...
1448455;1460074745;asciilifeform;pascal had a very leibnizian 'pascaline'
1448456;1460074763;asciilifeform;(which i always for some reason picture as something like a guillotine!11 but it was a calculator.)
1448457;1460074765;mircea_popescu;in truth clockworkery had been a slowly evolving craft since greek antiquity.
1448458;1460074766;mod6;ah yeah, i read about all of this recently because of our discussions lately.
1448459;1460074772;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4dty1x/in_liquidation_bitbets_noncash_assets_fetch_86/
1448460;1460074783;mod6;meanwhile, the 30 years war raged
1448461;1460074788;asciilifeform;aha, earliest known clockwork calc is 'antikythera mechanism'
1448462;1460074788;mod6;got off on that tangent too
1448463;1460074854;asciilifeform;condemned to the pascaline!11
1448464;1460074946;asciilifeform;http://www.computermuseum.li/Testpage/Pascaline-Calculator-1642.htm
1448465;1460074967;asciilifeform;http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pascaline.htm << moar
1448466;1460074973;mod6;yeah, thats the thing
1448467;1460075036;mod6;oh yeah, leibniz created the 'stepped reckoner' right?
1448468;1460075084;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448245 >> pete_dushenski> o sorry that, left those out because unsigned << signature wasn't required!
1448469;1460075124;pete_dushenski;until it was
1448470;1460075126;mod6;maybe i was smoking crack. got him a bit confused with pascal and the war, and the accounting bit
1448471;1460075154;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: like soap, once a few people start using it...
1448472;1460075208;danielpbarron;i'm not convinced putting so much signed material out there was even the right way to have done that..
1448473;1460075237;asciilifeform;just don't sign nonspecific grunts
1448474;1460075239;asciilifeform;problem solved.
1448475;1460075271;asciilifeform;yes, there live idiots who sign 'yes' and 'no'. don't be them.
1448476;1460075300;mircea_popescu;word.
1448477;1460075309;asciilifeform;conversely, don't ~accept~ grunts.
1448478;1460075315;mircea_popescu;even word-er.
1448479;1460075317;mod6;is it a real thing about turing and the HH thing?
1448480;1460075325;mircea_popescu;"yes" only means something among the sort of idiots that'd take that.
1448481;1460075329;mod6;i mean, did that happen?
1448482;1460075330;asciilifeform;mod6: is what ?
1448483;1460075336;mircea_popescu;ideally the way to do this is, auction master gives out a hash, everyone must include it
1448484;1460075339;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY like V.
1448485;1460075365;asciilifeform;aha.
1448486;1460075396;mircea_popescu;but i imagine davout has been taking notes on how to do this ; and for sure a good question in any future receiver selection will be "what have you learned from bitbet liquidation process"
1448487;1460075406;mod6;maybe im not talking about the same thing... turing, while trying to crack enigma
1448488;1460075423;asciilifeform;mod6: what about turing
1448489;1460075432;asciilifeform;is there a skipped log line..?
1448490;1460075433;mod6;i understand that he realized many cipher text messages were signed with "HH" at the end.
1448491;1460075478;asciilifeform;heil hitler aha
1448492;1460075512;mod6;such is a bad idea to sign small amounts of text, grunts, w/e
1448493;1460075531;asciilifeform;mod6: if you have a known-plaintext vulnerable cipher, yes.
1448494;1460075546;asciilifeform;mod6: for a good example of one that ~isn't~ - see the epic mircea_popescu thread with otp!
1448495;1460075561;mod6;sure. good habits are hard to form, bad habits are hard to break. etc.
1448496;1460075581;mod6;ah, werd.
1448497;1460075843;*;pete_dushenski to choir to sing his sorrows, concert just days away.
1448498;1460076327;asciilifeform;$up mthreat
1448499;1460076347;deedbot;mthreat voiced for 30 minutes.
1448500;1460076370;mthreat;jeez i take a little trip and there's a revolution
1448501;1460076514;asciilifeform;welcome to the new planet mthreat
1448502;1460076571;mthreat;thanks
1448503;1460076600;asciilifeform;mthreat: incidentally, the old wot was imported, you oughta be able to voice yourself.
1448504;1460076669;mthreat;$up
1448505;1460076678;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a86f1c98-a1b8-4784-b280-777d90f656d1/
1448506;1460078059;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1448507;1460078067;gribble;Current Blocks: 406236 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 995 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1448508;1460078071;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1448509;1460078084;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2730.74, vol: 18421.94310000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2730.74
1448510;1460078455;mod6;asciilifeform: this guys introduction to Ada looks like a really good tut.
1448511;1460081645;mircea_popescu;where to mthreat ?
1448512;1460083059;phf;v patches are back online at http://btcbase.org/patches
1448513;1460083136;phf;i've been getting a lot of not founds to those urls, so hopefully some of the bots are now going to be satisfied
1448514;1460085499;phf;(ping)
1448515;1460085642;BingoBoingo;pong
1448516;1460088398;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 83 > 95?
1448517;1460088477;ben_vulpes;mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy.
1448518;1460088485;ben_vulpes;very very educational.
1448519;1460088498;ben_vulpes;much like the language in its explicitness.
1448520;1460090145;mats;upon arrival at http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-auction-a-winrar-is-znort987 i am greeted with auth dialog and 'The server says: Fuck you..'
1448521;1460090220;ben_vulpes;i get basic auth request too
1448522;1460090276;trinque;http://fr.anco.is/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php <<
1448523;1460101365;davout;ben_vulpes trinque mats ty, fixed. this particular flavour of retardation has been shot in the head
1448524;1460116990;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448516 << nope
1448525;1460117046;asciilifeform;quite unlike the rest of computing, yes, but don't take my word for it
1448526;1460117263;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448483 << I said the same thing in the other chan a few hours earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2016#1443837
1448527;1460119129;jurov;lmao whats this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/...
1448528;1460119188;jurov;(see $currentline-2 in the btcbase log)
1448529;1460119336;jurov;and the lmao line is badly escaped, too
1448530;1460119578;jurov;phf ^
1448531;1460119984;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448517 << again, unlike literally the entire whole of rest of computingdom, the old adas are neither less-broken NOR BETTER-supported.
1448532;1460120002;asciilifeform;read the rationale b00kz, understand how and why.
1448533;1460121549;mircea_popescu;;;later tell wywialm yes but do it here.
1448534;1460121549;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448535;1460121604;mircea_popescu;davout> ben_vulpes trinque mats ty, fixed. this particular flavour of retardation has been shot in the head << making it the... 5th ? since bitbet receivership brought serious republican scrutiny to franco.is blog ?
1448536;1460121658;mircea_popescu;PeterL good call.
1448537;1460121773;mircea_popescu;for the republic's store of reaction gifs, in case of need : http://49.media.tumblr.com/560a9088996bebfe3e89c4275dd5aa5b/tumblr_o1god4CWCq1ule9rko1_500.gif
1448538;1460122379;mircea_popescu;$up wywialm
1448539;1460122380;deedbot;wywialm voiced for 30 minutes.
1448540;1460122386;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot wywialm
1448541;1460122386;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1448542;1460122392;mircea_popescu;you should be able to self-voice.
1448543;1460122420;wywialm;hi, thanks
1448544;1460122444;wywialm;i haven't yet got the hang of deedbot voicing
1448545;1460122478;mircea_popescu;you pm it $up and decrypt the otp it gives you, then pass it back with $v
1448546;1460122517;wywialm;ah, ok, similarly to the previous assbot
1448547;1460122563;mircea_popescu;quite.
1448548;1460122651;jurov;hi wywialm
1448549;1460122705;wywialm;could you please share what are the plans for MPEx future, besides what has already been revealed at the announcement? in particular, S.MPOE produced majority of volume. Are there any plans to increase the activity on other stocks?
1448550;1460122737;wywialm;hi jurov
1448551;1460122781;mircea_popescu;wywialm you familiar with that buffett quote about volume ?
1448552;1460122840;wywialm;i'm familiar in general on his views on not having a liquid market available, but cannot recall the quote
1448553;1460122877;mircea_popescu;well, there's plenty. one went something like "to call a party with low capital and high transacted volume an investor is not unlike calling a guy in a dirty overcoat that stalks women and jacks off a romantic".
1448554;1460122925;wywialm;i didn't even know this one
1448555;1460122937;wywialm;but it is adequate
1448556;1460122943;mircea_popescu;another's what he said to the berkshire market maker, ie that if the next trade happens next quarter he'll be happy.
1448557;1460122957;mircea_popescu;the idea here is that mpex is a strictly correct and strictly complete reflection of bitcoin business, such as it is.
1448558;1460122968;mircea_popescu;if one's not happy with the volume thereof, one's only recourse is to start a business.
1448559;1460122982;mircea_popescu;attempting to "create business" from the position of the central bank is both stupid and a doomed enterprise.
1448560;1460122994;mircea_popescu;taking mpex private resolves the last possible avenue for derps to argue about this point.
1448561;1460123097;wywialm;indeed it does. but without liquid (or at least 'fairly liquid') stocks, there can be no derivatives market on top of them (no hedging available at reasonable price).
1448562;1460123137;mircea_popescu;and without a solid protocol there can be no serious interest in cryptocurrency.
1448563;1460123158;wywialm;also, the interest of a shareholder in a public company is not always in line with the exchange's. And exchange can encourage volume or discourage it.
1448564;1460123159;mircea_popescu;while these facts are exactly that - facts ; the situation remains what it is. lots of people working to fix it, of course, but until it's fixed it's not fixed.
1448565;1460123164;wywialm;re: protocol - agreed.
1448566;1460123176;mircea_popescu;i think the intention is for mpex to be neutral.
1448567;1460123201;mircea_popescu;historically, or at least in my read of history, anything but neutral resulted in destruction of value from a secular perspective.
1448568;1460123349;wywialm;i hope you are right in this case.
1448569;1460123372;mircea_popescu;if anything, the bitbet experience has taught me that i had been erring in the supportive direction, at any rate.
1448570;1460123400;mircea_popescu;apparently even the slightest insulation from risk is bound to be misinterpreted in the most extensively insane sense. i have nfi how the fed chairman sleeps at night.
1448571;1460123470;mircea_popescu;but, currently, i am not even convinced the possibility of hedging is actually a wealth increaser.
1448572;1460123528;wywialm;it is certainly in some situations a wealth-preserver (or not wealth decreaser). as with any insurance, it comes at a cost
1448573;1460123546;mircea_popescu;the immediate correlate of "oh, i can distribute my risk to unknown parties" is, "i'll right now!! put less thought into the matter proportionately". however, whether the risk distribution works or does not work is not actually known, or even computed, now. this impedance causes trouble.
1448574;1460123580;jurov;yeah, right, let us eschew insulation from risk and send out zero fee transactions, lest it be misinterpreted!
1448575;1460123593;mircea_popescu;wywialm you might be familiar with the unpopular office of the censor in the roman empire. his job was principally to deny women, 2nd class citizens with very little self-expression debuchees allowed by society outside of conspicuous consumption, the use of luxurious products.
1448576;1460123610;wywialm;in a general sense, we can expoit less than 1 correlation among different assets, bets or scenarios
1448577;1460123618;mircea_popescu;the reason was very strictly that, obviously, if you pay ten aurei for a nice purple, and then wear it off, you WILL be ten aureii less rich.
1448578;1460123653;mircea_popescu;jurov i have nfi why the peanut gallery got stuck on "0 fee tx", and i have nfi why you particularly wanna paint yourself in those colors, but w/e.
1448579;1460123658;wywialm;yes i am familiar with the censor
1448580;1460123663;wywialm;office
1448581;1460123669;mircea_popescu;what's next, we're gonna discuss whether "obama is for the people" ?
1448582;1460123685;mircea_popescu;wywialm well, the idea is that what people want and what people need rarely meet.
1448583;1460123702;mircea_popescu;obvious why people want insurance. unobvious that such a thing is even possible.
1448584;1460123703;wywialm;i certainly agree with that observation
1448585;1460123715;mircea_popescu;yes, it is frequerntly implemented. but always as a ponzi to date.
1448586;1460123718;mod6;(04:07) <+ben_vulpes> mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy. << sure! hit me with a link or we can talk in pm if you wanna exchange in other method.
1448587;1460123829;wywialm;nevertheless, in a very general sense, any action involves taking specific risks and avoiding others. Say, me not invested in S.BBET successfully insulated me from the risk of it going into receivership
1448588;1460123843;mircea_popescu;except now you can't make bets.
1448589;1460123859;mircea_popescu;successful insulation is another way to say economically dead, really.
1448590;1460123886;mircea_popescu;or i guess more properly : "you'll be economically insulated when you're dead."
1448591;1460123931;wywialm;yes, it is not possible to be insulated from anything and stay 'active' in any meaningful way, but it doesn't mean that you can be exposed to everything or that one shouldn't choose carefully what risks to take and from which to insulate.
1448592;1460123983;mircea_popescu;this is the defense against the risks problem above usually deemed as rational. the problem here is that this in practice always devolves to a sort of "when confronted with the number e, i wish to be insulated from the part past the decimal point and underwrite the part before the decimal point".
1448593;1460123999;mircea_popescu;this splitting works for definedrisks. it can never work when you want to put defined risks in one pile and undefinable risks in the other pile.
1448594;1460124006;mircea_popescu;because you can't trade away what you can't define.
1448595;1460124054;wywialm;oh, yes, we certainly agree on that point. one cannot trade something which is not an asset.
1448596;1460124075;mircea_popescu;even if it were a liability, but it must be specified.
1448597;1460124085;wywialm;but i suspect we may come close to a sort of tautology quite soon
1448598;1460124117;mircea_popescu;so in this sense the "split risks so i only undertake what i want to" works well in theory and on paper, but it is in practice always devolved to a luzly idiocy like "the gauss copula", direct equivalent to yesterday's discussion re the problem of computers
1448599;1460124144;mircea_popescu;see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448116
1448600;1460124199;wywialm;it still works when you realize that you have to invest in something and there is no risk-free asset
1448601;1460124251;mircea_popescu;this "realize" is of the nature of "you have to understand we love you", ie, entirely devoid of cognitive content. it is a bit of propaganda one has to accept. ok, so they accept it - or don't. fine. what now ?
1448602;1460124273;mircea_popescu;how is it, for that matter, different from "you have to accept, as a hyip investor, that it's not really an investment".
1448603;1460124400;mircea_popescu;(and for people who aren't in finance and don't follow that trade, perhaps a good primer for the "gaussian copula" lulz is http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/ seeing how nobody wants to admit or discuss the matter anymore much like the jews forgot all about sabbatai zevi.)
1448604;1460124849;wywialm;in a hyip world, you have to 'invest' something that is at least a bit worthwhile to scam it from you, which means that there is at least one non-hyip asset and holding it without investing is an investment decision. holding this asset (e.g. USD) is not itself risk-free, but insulates you from hyip risk and exposes you to other risks
1448605;1460124868;mircea_popescu;wait, and it's not worthwhile for the social security administration to scam it from you ?
1448606;1460124873;mircea_popescu;how come they keep doing it ?!
1448607;1460124897;wywialm;that's why 'it exposes you to other risks'
1448608;1460124923;mircea_popescu;there's no executive priviledge vested in anyone but myself. if the president of the united states and some low life in niger say the same thing, they ARE the same thing.
1448609;1460124933;mircea_popescu;i and i alone benefit from the priviledge of calling it "other risks". not them.
1448610;1460124953;mircea_popescu;they gotta call it what it is.
1448611;1460124985;wywialm;yes, i'm looking from the investor's perspective (or at least try to)
1448612;1460125005;mircea_popescu;well, from the investor's perspective, "you have to accept that this is bullshit anyway" is the same thing in either case.
1448613;1460125111;wywialm;not all bullshits are made equal
1448614;1460125127;mircea_popescu;maybe. but this suddenly is a different discussion than the lofty place we started.
1448615;1460125140;mircea_popescu;indeed, not all bullshits are made equal ; and supposedly the market might help distinguish. maybe so.
1448616;1460125175;mircea_popescu;but once the market is both predicated on and discerning the bullshit, you have constructed a very unstable circularity.
1448617;1460125197;wywialm;i still hold that is not possible that every asset is a scam
1448618;1460125208;mircea_popescu;which, as a sidepoint, is exactly why increased integration (aka, globalisation) comes with exponentially increased instability.
1448619;1460125224;mircea_popescu;with less integration, the respective bullshits can at least be somewhat measured against each other on the fx markets.
1448620;1460125294;wywialm;but while it is possible that there is only one bullshit (global currency) it is not possible that the number of currencies equals number of economic and political entitites
1448621;1460125346;mircea_popescu;wywialm i sympathize with the "not every asset is a scam angle". but consider say apple. could it buy russia ?
1448622;1460125367;mircea_popescu;"it's not a scam, it's a meaningless paper construction built by people who weren't evil, just wrong, and who should have known better but didn't" ?
1448623;1460125523;wywialm;of course there are limits to corporate valuation based on marginal transactions and comparison of this valuation to total nominal spending of final goods aka GDP
1448624;1460125593;wywialm;and these limits are obvious once you start comparing apples and russias
1448625;1460125601;wywialm;:)
1448626;1460125622;mircea_popescu;let's make it even worse. suppose tomorrow its governmental sponsor announces that it is "under investigation" for "violations". you know for a fact they can steal any amount from its coffers, liek they did with say jpm.
1448627;1460125631;mircea_popescu;for the simple reason that they put it there in the first place.
1448628;1460125661;mircea_popescu;suppose, alternatively, that tomorrow china declares that apple is banned as a terrorist organisation, and no azn corp can do business with them.
1448629;1460125663;mircea_popescu;etc.
1448630;1460125701;mircea_popescu;(jpm reference : http://trilema.com/2013/bad-news-for-jpm/ )
1448631;1460125731;wywialm;yes, indeed this is why economic power is no power at all unless explicitly (but not always consciously) involved in politics
1448632;1460125799;wywialm;as in your 'millionaire' essay, cash is of no political significance unless its holder or political institutions around him makes it political
1448633;1460125870;mircea_popescu;something like that. at least in macro terms, cash is not much more or much else than a right to organise activity.
1448634;1460125899;mircea_popescu;and motherfucker this black chocolate with almods thing is to die for.
1448635;1460126138;mircea_popescu;anyway - back to the scam thing briefly - bitcoin does in fact deliver on its "best economics lab ever devised" role, for they capable and willing to look. the whole "didn't start out as a scam" thing that is pretty much the universal rule of fiat anything, played itself more obviously, more rapidly, in the hands of more naive people less versed in covering it up.
1448636;1460126143;mircea_popescu;so... yeah.
1448637;1460126205;mircea_popescu;you'll be hard pressed to find a fiat corp today that is anything but another pirate ; and even fifty years ago you'd have been hard pressed to find a fiat corp that wasn't a sort of bASIC from our friend tom with blood and tears.
1448638;1460126226;mircea_popescu;and HAD you found it, it'd have been some family venture ran either by the hardass patriarch that founded it, or else by an exactly cloned son.
1448639;1460126365;mircea_popescu;also re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448620 : i suspect that's actually the role corporate paper (generally stocks, or else bonds - corporate bonds being the EXACT equivalent of national currencies, by the way, supported in the same way) plays here.
1448640;1460126555;wywialm;yes, it is quite insightful to look at corporate papers as a national currency. Both are composed from a liquidity premium and a claim on some assets. In case of national currencies, the liquidity premium is very large and claim on central bank's assets very weak, but not nonexistent
1448641;1460126586;wywialm;the quality or even existence of those assets are a separate thing
1448642;1460126606;mircea_popescu;actually, in the case of non-sovereign central banks, the claim on assets is VERY strong. recall the case with cyprus ? ( http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ )
1448643;1460126635;mircea_popescu;just as soon as the damage done to a hated third party (here, the russians and especially the saudis) exceeds the damage done to the item itself, it's 100%.
1448644;1460126655;wywialm;true observation
1448645;1460126709;mircea_popescu;i am for my needs persuaded that strictly the only reason germany does not today confiscate every fixed good in current possession of its peon population is that the net result is deemed less than continuing with the current nonsense.
1448646;1460126726;mircea_popescu;once that changes - they'll take it all. and i don't mean houses and cars, i mean blood and livers. they also have a market value.
1448647;1460126747;wywialm;well, they once tried that
1448648;1460126759;mircea_popescu;aha.
1448649;1460126784;wywialm;and in Poland it won't be easily forgotten
1448650;1460126802;mircea_popescu;the important point, at least to my eyes, is that exactly nothing has changed.
1448651;1460126906;wywialm;this view seems to be increasingly more prevalent, lately, in particular in connection to their solving of the recent EU problems
1448652;1460126950;mircea_popescu;ah, but i don';t mean it re germany specifically. could have said france or italy just as well. what i mean is, that a "rule of law" bureaucratic government with an economic presence is strictly speaking the nazi party irrespective of any consideration, chief on the list what they say or think they want.
1448653;1460126986;mircea_popescu;this entire fiat sovereignity bullshit has to end, and the sooner the better. preferably before it does yet another rendition of its signature stupidity.
1448654;1460127004;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448593 << 'we have packaged the defective transistors separately!111'
1448655;1460127042;mircea_popescu;o hai alf.
1448656;1460127076;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu !
1448657;1460127112;mircea_popescu;in typical republican fashion, while everyone else was sleeping we got together and shat a few hundred lines of heavy duty material into the logs. go us!
1448658;1460127112;phf;oh hello, we're talking about language
1448659;1460127185;mircea_popescu;let the permanent record indelibly state that you people are driving me to drink. it is not even noon here, and what started as "shit i need breakfast to keep up with this guy. and some chocolate. more chocolate" is by now my 2nd glass of cognac.
1448660;1460127291;asciilifeform;$gettrust wywialm
1448661;1460127300;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 3 by 1 connections.
1448662;1460127415;mircea_popescu;btw phf you gonna document what the little blue graph on top of pages even is ?
1448663;1460127477;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448569 << this is sorta why i was astonished at the high sale price; buyer will have to build ~his own~ mircea_popescutron
1448664;1460127480;asciilifeform;(of bbet)
1448665;1460127491;mircea_popescu;maybe buyer has it. who knoes.
1448666;1460127500;asciilifeform;(cue jurov's 'one that shoots 0fee tx!111')
1448667;1460127536;asciilifeform;but srsly, just ~storing~ 100s of btc is nontrivial, esp in the barbarian lands
1448668;1460127565;mircea_popescu;i imagine you did some speccing work since you bid huh.
1448669;1460127567;phf;mircea_popescu: if i end up finding it at all useful, i will. i used spacing to indicate when were the active parts of day, so i'm trying this graph to provide an equivalent functionality. it's a number of messages/hour of day histogram
1448670;1460127570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: before.
1448671;1460127580;mircea_popescu;aha.
1448672;1460127587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was 'mortido' that led me to bid. i wanted to see if i could pull it off without getting killed immediately.
1448673;1460127601;mircea_popescu;see the above german liver equation.
1448674;1460127623;asciilifeform;aha!
1448675;1460127811;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448586 << i have a scan of the canonical (j. barnes) 2012, if either of you want.
1448676;1460128006;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448622 << was it mircea_popescu at c2 who had a talk about how 'scammitude' is rather like friction, and is not escapeable ?
1448677;1460128061;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448626 << afaik there is nothing to keep usg from zeroing out any usd account they feel like, whenever
1448678;1460128074;asciilifeform;'ghaddafi's usd are no longer valid!11'
1448679;1460128079;mircea_popescu;quite.
1448680;1460128148;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448645 << recall mr mold's 'reign of fnargl' ?
1448681;1460128371;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448652 << which is precisely why i call the thing 'nazi' and its hypothetical center of mass - hitler.
1448682;1460128392;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448653 << this performance is not likely avoidable.
1448683;1460128401;asciilifeform;too many biodiesel candidates walking.
1448684;1460128495;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448603 << i'm beginning to suspect that ~every~ subj has its shabbatai zev.
1448685;1460128568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's one dispute to be had. i doubt very much hitler was anything but a center of mass. yes roosevelt intuited that since he wants the bureaucracy, the right move is to blame hitler, and yes churchill went along with it. but in point of fact...
1448686;1460128633;mircea_popescu;nah, hitler's a minor player. it was der partei.
1448687;1460128676;mircea_popescu;;;google die partei, die partei, die hat immer recht
1448688;1460128677;gribble;Lied der Partei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Party is Always Right! - German Joys: ; Ernst Busch - Lied der Partei - YouTube:
1448689;1460128933;asciilifeform;randomly, http://imgur.com/a/vYO6K
1448690;1460128938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform should the performance not be avoided, for it not being avoidable or for any other reason, such as that i feel like blood that morning, the bill will be paid, both here and in heaven, by the fiat governments and no one else.
1448691;1460128948;asciilifeform;^ the antic in the 1st photo turned out to be, apparently, weev!
1448692;1460129019;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when's the paper from ?
1448693;1460129207;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: univ. of md. rag
1448694;1460129213;asciilifeform;'diamondback'
1448695;1460129221;asciilifeform;circa some time last wk
1448696;1460129233;mircea_popescu;ah ah.
1448697;1460129262;mircea_popescu;guy underwent a white supremacist conversion in prison. (which is not particularly surprising - gotta make some friends somehow!)
1448698;1460129271;mircea_popescu;was curious if this was pre-term or not.
1448699;1460129310;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/5QqLI
1448700;1460129373;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/nyregion/hacker-weev-says-he-printed-anti-semitic-and-racist-fliers-at-colleges-across-us.html?_r=0 << also lulzy re same
1448701;1460129487;deedbot-;[Trilema] Dark Horse - http://trilema.com/2016/dark-horse/
1448702;1460129546;mircea_popescu;"He was convicted of violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and faced 41 months in prison, but the sentence was overturned." reheheheallly. what ever happeend to "he was wrongfully prosecuted by X and unlawfully imprisoned for 41 months before the people finally came to their senses" ?
1448703;1460129575;mircea_popescu;or is that not how you say usg dun goofed in usg.agitprop
1448704;1460129653;asciilifeform;iirc 'overturned on a technicality' (tm)
1448705;1460129660;mircea_popescu;orly.
1448706;1460129678;mircea_popescu;you mean "wrongfully convicted on a technicality"
1448707;1460129702;BingoBoingo; guy underwent a white supremacist conversion in prison. (which is not particularly surprising - gotta make some friends somehow!) << He was kinda a play white supremacist before prison for the lulz. Switch was flipped in prison.
1448708;1460129730;mircea_popescu;a ? haven't really been following.
1448709;1460129744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american courts largely operate 'on technicalities' now, except when usg's verdict is assured by a tame freisler. it is how they avoid crafting inconvenient precedents.
1448710;1460129760;mircea_popescu;so then ?
1448711;1460129785;mircea_popescu;here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
1448712;1460129790;mircea_popescu;there is no exception to this rule.
1448713;1460129795;asciilifeform;aha.
1448714;1460129809;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, he was wrongfully convicted on a technicality.
1448715;1460129826;mircea_popescu;ntowr.
1448716;1460129834;asciilifeform;http://thisainthell.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/claymore-thumb1-300x222.jpg << for ref.
1448717;1460129859;mircea_popescu;haha yeah.
1448718;1460129979;asciilifeform;but it was the tampon donation bin that really melted my brain.
1448719;1460129995;asciilifeform;i looked inside, wondering if anyone threw in used one, but - apparently not.
1448720;1460130101;mircea_popescu;no idea wtf they must be thinking - poor woman should get free tampons from strangers rather than become the domestic servant / slave / whatever of a not-poor woman ? or sex toy of a man ? or or or ?
1448721;1460130102;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1448722;1460130120;mircea_popescu;this "need therefore get" bs is inane already. "need therefore labour"!
1448723;1460130132;asciilifeform;i have profoundly nfi!
1448724;1460130172;asciilifeform;though here in the land of the great inca, all women formally belong to the great inca
1448725;1460130183;asciilifeform;who dispenses food and tampon alike!11
1448726;1460130234;mircea_popescu;great inca's a basic bitch.
1448727;1460131244;davout;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0HR7P5B.txt
1448728;1460132029;shinohai;https://news.bitcoin.com/coinwallet-forced-shut-data-breach/ <<< use moar online wallets.
1448729;1460132498;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i would *love* a copy of that
1448730;1460132508;ben_vulpes;mod6: i'll get you a dump later today
1448731;1460133373;ButtNewsButt;http://qntra.net/2016/04/furry-perverts-hack-radio-stations-to-evangelize-their-filth/
1448732;1460133403;deedbot-;[Qntra] Furry Perverts Hack Radio Stations To Evangelize Their Filth - http://qntra.net/2016/04/furry-perverts-hack-radio-stations-to-evangelize-their-filth/
1448733;1460134602;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oh for fucks sake!1 that's qntraworthy now?!
1448734;1460134630;BingoBoingo;Infrastructure is being taken over by deviant perverts!
1448735;1460134647;BingoBoingo;What's yet another credit card break when this is happening.
1448736;1460134684;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/neutered-random-number-generator-let-man-rig-million-dollar-lotteries << lulzier nyooz imho
1448737;1460134753;BingoBoingo;I'll get there when the coffee brews up.
1448738;1460134900;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/baby-who-had-his-diapers-searched-at-airport-is-part-of-class-action-suit << lulz from same rag.
1448739;1460134950;asciilifeform;''According to the civil complaint filed in federal court in Virginia on Tuesday, the boy had been given an “SSSS designation indicating that he had been designated as a ‘known or suspected terrorist'" while going through airport security. Since he was a seven-month-old, Baby Doe, as he is referred to, was subject to “extensive searches,” including rifling through all of his diapers.'
1448740;1460135125;BingoBoingo;anyways asciilifeform 1. Furfags don't have a Turing or a Jurov to redeem them
1448741;1460135140;BingoBoingo;2. Broadcast radio is a big deal
1448742;1460135156;BingoBoingo;3. Some people here are now parents and need the warning
1448743;1460135162;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: big deal how ?
1448744;1460135183;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What else do people listen to when driving around the big prison?
1448745;1460135208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: personally i listen to 'радио звезда'
1448746;1460135213;BingoBoingo;Spotify and Pandora don't have live traffic updates
1448747;1460135217;asciilifeform;which is spiffy, has b00kz
1448748;1460135230;asciilifeform;right now it is doing life & times of Peter I
1448749;1460135236;BingoBoingo;Ah
1448750;1460135260;BingoBoingo;But what if natural gas life is ignited by construction derps along your commute route?
1448751;1460135265;jurov;til BingoBoingo takes exception not only with fatties, but also with furries?
1448752;1460135271;asciilifeform;also has interludes for 'hot new weapons system of the day'
1448753;1460135309;asciilifeform;or 'etymology of such&such word'
1448754;1460135325;asciilifeform;or 'how inner ear works'
1448755;1460135346;asciilifeform;this is the moscow public radio btw
1448756;1460135353;asciilifeform;picture culture with actual... culture
1448757;1460135423;asciilifeform;Apr 08 13:07:40 But what if natural gas life is ignited by construction derps along your commute route? << as i pointed out, this dun happen 'round here.
1448758;1460135448;BingoBoingo;jurov: There's a consistency to this
1448759;1460135451;asciilifeform;the 'luckiest' we ever get is massive 'pile-up'
1448760;1460135476;BingoBoingo;jurov: Also the only Furry I know anywhere near bitcoin is that fellow who does the mycellium fungus wallet marketing
1448761;1460135493;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that 'furries' actually exist.
1448762;1460135542;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We don't usually get massive pileups and these pipe explosions are infrequent. House explosions happen anywhere orcs are allowed to go feral while playing homeowner
1448763;1460135657;BingoBoingo;Anyways this is perhaps the most apt summary of journalism ever: "I kind of like the idea that hes taught himself not to look because if he looks its just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you cant be everywhere at once, literally you cant be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere."
1448764;1460135792;ben_vulpes;http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/neutered-random-number-generator-let-man-rig-million-dollar-lotteries/ << run more dynamically-compiled mission-critical code!
1448765;1460135856;asciilifeform;ON WINBLOWZ
1448766;1460135862;asciilifeform;for ~several state lottos at once~
1448767;1460135887;trinque;hats off to everyone who didn't get caught like this guy.
1448768;1460135989;BingoBoingo;This reminds me of the mcdonalds monopoly promotion where the $$$ prizes all went to friends and relatives of the vendor doing the printing for years before they were caught
1448769;1460136002;asciilifeform;casino is a little smarter.
1448770;1460136034;asciilifeform;my brother once participated in the programming for a video poker machine, and was informed by his co. that he will, likely, never be permitted inside a casino in usa
1448771;1460136052;asciilifeform;(he laughed, having no desire to ever set foot in one)
1448772;1460136145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik mcd broke no laws in that case
1448773;1460136149;asciilifeform;given as it was not a lotto.
1448774;1460136161;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But the printing vendor did
1448775;1460136959;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incidentally, ianal, and i wonder what counts as proof of malfeasance in a lotto operator.
1448776;1460136966;asciilifeform;does an unlikely win per se ?
1448777;1460136976;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm not sure
1448778;1460136978;pete_dushenski;had a dream last night that znort woulda gladly paid twice what he did. man alive are these ex post rationalisation engines humming.
1448779;1460137000;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: srsly build yer own bbet ?
1448780;1460137006;pete_dushenski;;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43114
1448781;1460137006;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448782;1460137011;asciilifeform;kako warned that his src isn't of much use to civilians anyway
1448783;1460137038;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Get a saw and go outside. Clear some brush and your mind?
1448784;1460137062;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: just outta curiosity, how were you going to run the thing?
1448785;1460137072;ben_vulpes;hire the beedawg?
1448786;1460137101;BingoBoingo;I kinda though he was going to use BBet to teach pantagruel and himself how to code
1448787;1460137114;ben_vulpes;(b-dog, amusingly, a nickname of mine from the nineties)
1448788;1460137146;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: bbet was established player. hard to replicate. "go build own mpex" about as useful.
1448789;1460137230;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe you can buy Betmoose?
1448790;1460137236;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: it's going to be 15C+ today, so the bicycle is getting dusted off fo sho. sorta does the same job as hacktimesawtime
1448791;1460137254;BingoBoingo;And then finally rename contravex to MooseCawks!!!
1448792;1460137272;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: ha! if i knew you'd be open to the idea, i mighta bet more ;)
1448793;1460137272;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: hacksaw is exactly wrong saw to use outdoors on brush
1448794;1460137329;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: the pantacode angle crossed my mind actually
1448795;1460137361;BingoBoingo;For outdoor brush clearing you want either a chainsaw, reciprocating saw with appropriate blade, or good old fashioned crosscut saw.
1448796;1460137376;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: and hack (with axe) then saw (with two-man lumberjack specialsaw) not hacksaw
1448797;1460137387;BingoBoingo;Oh, ic
1448798;1460137410;pete_dushenski;*s/bet/bid more
1448799;1460137432;asciilifeform;two-man lumberjack specialsaw << iirc it is called 'misery whip'
1448800;1460137478;asciilifeform;$up DonaldTrumpOfBTC
1448801;1460137481;BingoBoingo;$up DonaldTrumpOfBTC
1448802;1460137484;deedbot;DonaldTrumpOfBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
1448803;1460137486;BingoBoingo;Hello Mr Clinton
1448804;1460137487;deedbot;DonaldTrumpOfBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
1448805;1460137689;DonaldTrumpOfBTC;should the most senile republic of bitcoin build a firewall to keep chinese miners out?
1448806;1460137732;asciilifeform;$down DonaldTrumpOfBTC
1448807;1460137969;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I told you Trump was just a clinton stooge
1448808;1460138189;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: anyways, at a management level i had in mind to increase the vig/fee and hold on to house bet winnings in an effort to increase revenue to compensate for mistaken txen, resolutions, etc., obviously appreciating that this may, at least initially, discourage some users. was also going to tag in some meatwot to assist with moderation and actively scour meatwot for potential bookies. toyed with th
1448809;1460138190;pete_dushenski;e idea of changing min 0conf but never quite resolved that quandary myself... alas. it was going to be a steep learning curve to be sure, but i was up for the challenge.
1448810;1460138297;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai pls to write up lottery rng shennaniganz
1448811;1460138297;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448812;1460138342;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i think you're better off asking ivanka trump to write for qntra than shinohai. he just doesn't wanna, it seems.
1448813;1460138469;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Clintons can't write for qntra
1448814;1460138479;BingoBoingo;Too far outside WoT
1448815;1460138484;pete_dushenski;that's racialist
1448816;1460138493;BingoBoingo;Actively inside the anti-WoT
1448817;1460138511;ben_vulpes;mwell, was nominating stan. wouldn'ta been averse to it myself.
1448818;1460138514;pete_dushenski;all non-wot is anti-wot
1448819;1460138553;BingoBoingo;Well whoever want lottery RBG story can take it. I'm not finding a sufficient outrage to attack it.
1448820;1460138602;BingoBoingo; all non-wot is anti-wot << No. People outside the WoT can still be renown as especially evil.
1448821;1460138655;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i momentarily considered stan as an operational partner, but then quickly recalled the ongoing s.nsa saga and how it's basically made "two weeks" (tm) (r) his middle name. not that i fault the 'poor' bastard. he only has so many dr. octopus tentacles with which to do maffs and whatnot.
1448822;1460138698;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: you mighta been a better fit in some ways, but you also obviously have your hands full with biz, kidz, and foundation
1448823;1460138775;pete_dushenski;bbet really had to be a meatwot project for me
1448824;1460138829;ben_vulpes;sure, right
1448825;1460138929;phf;hire indians™
1448826;1460138939;shinohai;BingoBoingo: link me to sauce? Will give it a whirl when I get back home.
1448827;1460138940;ben_vulpes;hey, they're in the meatwot!
1448828;1460139031;shinohai;Plus, unlike with UStards - no worries about which bathrooms to use. They shit in street!
1448829;1460139058;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: another reason why i wouldn't build my own bbet : the same reason i also wouldn't build my own cpu fab. i'm less 'inventor' than 'pro-scavenger'. i'm not 'early adopter', but rather 'fast follower'. to work to my strengths, i wouldn't start my own bbet anymore than you'd start your own strip club.
1448830;1460139078;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448528 << jurov thanks i'll look into it. i mean, the http parser consists of search "http" and then search for a set of separators, it's as ghetto as it gets, but i had better results with that approach overall than using a regex
1448831;1460139089;phf;*url parser rather
1448832;1460139113;jurov;but the problem isn't url parsing
1448833;1460139123;jurov;but escaping of < in the output
1448834;1460139139;jurov;at least it looks so
1448835;1460139166;pete_dushenski;shinohai: don't be surprised if ustards go that way too, particularly as average skin shade continues to endarken
1448836;1460139183;shinohai;hue
1448837;1460139185;phf;jurov: oh oh oh you're talking about log.bitcoin-assets urls being hijacked
1448838;1460139203;jurov;phf that's separate issue
1448839;1460139208;phf;that's … intentional, but obviously breaks after the split
1448840;1460139222;BingoBoingo;shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/neutered-random-number-generator-let-man-rig-million-dollar-lotteries
1448841;1460139224;BingoBoingo;brb
1448842;1460139242;jurov;Whoever was waiting for coinbr withdrawals, mircea_popescu flushed some this morning, and I did the others now
1448843;1460139264;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo having a nice outdoors lunch, will give it a crack.
1448844;1460139269;phf;jurov: you're talking about this line "PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448483 << I said the same thing in the other chan a few hours earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2016#1443837" yeah?
1448845;1460139319;jurov;phf: it can be soved by other ways then having different host in the label and href
1448846;1460139329;jurov;*other ways than
1448847;1460139346;phf;sure, the ref arrow does the same thing
1448848;1460139388;jurov;like, you can do do s/log.bitcoin.assets/btcbase.org/ globally on everything before the log was launched
1448849;1460139398;phf;that's retarded
1448850;1460139413;jurov;wut?
1448851;1460139432;phf;you can also arbitrarily patch other people's words and claim authenticity
1448852;1460139434;jurov;and for new entries, if user links to the other place, elt it be
1448853;1460139464;jurov;phf so patching urls is okay?
1448854;1460139471;phf;urls are not part of log
1448855;1460139484;phf;urls are interpretation of what the log is saying in the display facility
1448856;1460139514;phf;in this case log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date urls are treated as a "pointer to a log location"
1448857;1460139542;jurov;I expressly request that when i *today* drop #b-a URL , it should NOT be aliased to btcbase.
1448858;1460139552;jurov;*explicitly
1448859;1460139594;phf;jurov: that's obviously a bug and should be fixed :) i just want to have our priors straight
1448860;1460139628;phf;also url patching facility is from before the arrows, so to some extent can now be dropped entirely
1448861;1460139644;jurov;ok, ty
1448862;1460139790;pete_dushenski;in other news, autonomous semi trucks are about to get the vote : http://qz.com/656104/a-fleet-of-trucks-just-drove-themselves-across-europe/
1448863;1460139937;pete_dushenski;one for BingoBoingo and his political crusades : http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35965362 because what is politics if not a movie ?
1448864;1460139951;pete_dushenski;'Presidential contenders make cautious movie picks'
1448865;1460140394;phf;jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448526
1448866;1460140450;jurov;phf: yup
1448867;1460140497;phf;old urls are still hijacked though, i think i'm going to disable that, and let just arrows do their thing
1448868;1460141049;jurov;or do the hijacking properly in all cases where it's needed, like polimedia.us -> trilema.com
1448869;1460141512;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448821 << on top of my usual doings i now also spend time looking for wurk...
1448870;1460141736;pete_dushenski;done pulling up excel when boss walks by so soon ? or is guy who stormed out setting a precedent you're keen to follow ?
1448871;1460141779;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: l0l excel
1448872;1460141876;asciilifeform;i'm simply tired of having to leave the house.
1448873;1460141903;asciilifeform;dun understand why i should have to, to write motherfucking software
1448874;1460141914;pete_dushenski;commuting is pretty gay, no argument
1448875;1460141976;pete_dushenski;i, for one, couldn't imagine spending >1hr just to ~travel~ to work and back. each way. my mind boggles that millions in 'first world' spend 3hrs+ (this is sop in, say, toronto)
1448876;1460141991;pete_dushenski;s/way/day
1448877;1460142038;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i routinely sit 3-4 h/day in car.
1448878;1460142138;pete_dushenski;surprised you haven't programmed own autonomous car ferfuxake. it wouldn't take a month's worth of time stuck behind idiotic wheel in mordor traffic
1448879;1460142141;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i actually don't have much to choose from. 95+% of work in my field requires usg 'top secret'.
1448880;1460142160;asciilifeform;in fact i got a call from no less than motherfucking ft meade the other day.
1448881;1460142172;asciilifeform;not bureaucrats proper, mind you, but contractors with $maxint
1448882;1460142180;asciilifeform;they desperately want serfs.
1448883;1460142183;pete_dushenski;ft. meade doesn't read logs ? for cereal ?
1448884;1460142194;asciilifeform;nobody reads logz.
1448885;1460142197;asciilifeform;apparently.
1448886;1460142232;pete_dushenski;and here i was thinking that we were #1 google hit besttimeeverytime
1448887;1460142249;pete_dushenski;so much for that theory
1448888;1460142257;asciilifeform;i have learned that:
1448889;1460142271;asciilifeform;a) there is ~0 demand for the things i know how to do among honest-work folks
1448890;1460142283;asciilifeform;b) the folks who ~are~ hiring reversers, CAN'T FIND them
1448891;1460142342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will probably, when he wakes up, remind me that i oughta learn a new profession, e.g, organ grinder
1448892;1460142377;asciilifeform;and also will probably not forget to remind that i am ~useless and will be pig food eventually
1448893;1460142382;asciilifeform;(mega-revelation!11)
1448894;1460142447;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, https://www.reddit.com/r/shapeshiftio/comments/4dx6k4/shapeshift_update_april_7_security_breach
1448895;1460142451;asciilifeform;^ vorhees pwned
1448896;1460142475;pete_dushenski;nah, he'll remind you that soviet chick doesn't need to know when 'wall falls', just needs to know right guy to get her through to other side. there was mega-thread on this at one point.
1448897;1460142493;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu generally doesn't have actionable advice for blokes
1448898;1460142510;asciilifeform;'go and eat a pistol, first pray to vishnu that you can be reborn hot chik'
1448899;1460142532;pete_dushenski;'be awesome or die' (tm) (r)
1448900;1460142538;asciilifeform;aha. mega-algo.
1448901;1460142552;pete_dushenski;the ultimate otp
1448902;1460142564;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: were you here for the 'everett's device' thread ?
1448903;1460142577;pete_dushenski;not that i recall
1448904;1460142586;asciilifeform;do you recall h. everett ?
1448905;1460142590;asciilifeform;of 'many worlds qm'
1448906;1460142596;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/vG3
1448907;1460142596;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448908;1460142615;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hm. 'fraid not.
1448909;1460142657;asciilifeform;fella who proposed 'parallel universes' treatment of qm, vs bohr's original 'magically collapsing wavefunction when you look at it'
1448910;1460142691;asciilifeform;e's model is not physically demonstable as THE correct model (but neither is bohr's)
1448911;1460142706;asciilifeform;BUT it has the advantage of removing the idiot vitalism that bohr pissed back into physics
1448912;1460142739;asciilifeform;at any rate, everett device is this gadget that tries to guess the answer to a trapdoor problem, e.g., deriving mircea_popescu's private key primes
1448913;1460142746;asciilifeform;and if it fails, it shoots the user in the head
1448914;1460142764;pete_dushenski;;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43166
1448915;1460142764;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1448916;1460142772;asciilifeform;according to everett's mechanics, the outcome of using this device is that you wake up in the universe where the primes were guessed.
1448917;1460142782;asciilifeform;correctly.
1448918;1460142796;asciilifeform;(or, alternatively, where the pistol jammed)
1448919;1460142810;pete_dushenski;haha i like it.
1448920;1460142846;pete_dushenski;everett's device sounds like how stan would design computers and/or bitcoin.
1448921;1460142880;ben_vulpes;slightly less time consuming than attempting to jump through the vault door, i suppose
1448922;1460142881;asciilifeform;actually it is how they make mircea_popescus.
1448923;1460142960;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1448924;1460142961;asciilifeform;his algo, in my summary, was, approx., 'start by being 10,000 bright and suicidally daring ro teenagers in the roaring '90s, end by being one mircea_popescu' or the like.
1448925;1460142996;asciilifeform;in mechanical eng. parlance,
1448926;1460143006;asciilifeform;it is an ~ablative~ rather than an ~additive~ manufacturing process.
1448927;1460143013;asciilifeform;think milling vs '3d printing'.
1448928;1460143048;asciilifeform;generally works great, it is how su made ballet dancers, chess champions, etc.
1448929;1460143092;pete_dushenski;also how us made rockefeller(s)
1448930;1460143140;pete_dushenski;how canada still makes hockey players too, though this is the solitary domain where this strategy is herein employed.
1448931;1460143199;shinohai;;;ticker
1448932;1460143200;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.71, Best ask: 420.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 420.71, 24 hour volume: 6944.94381268, 24 hour low: 420.01, 24 hour high: 424.49, 24 hour vwap: None
1448933;1460143210;asciilifeform;anyway i regard the algo as being ~entirely uninteresting.
1448934;1460143218;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, I'm just sayin' my bid was valid, and the first! I can sign something to this effect if anyone seriously doubts
1448935;1460143228;asciilifeform;yes, it is interesting to know, e.g., how petroleum was formed in the ground, from dead organisms
1448936;1460143235;asciilifeform;but it does NOT help anyone make moar
1448937;1460143237;asciilifeform;when it runs out.
1448938;1460143305;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: also how ukr farmers and rocath french-canadians rose to prominence in the last few centuries in this country : 8 children families sop. mormons continue this practise (plus mega-secrecy) and they're not doing too shabbily by most measures.
1448939;1460143350;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: i hear you, i do. but it's sorta over and done with at this point.
1448940;1460143354;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: not so secretly, they - and the hassidim of nyc - collect 'single mother' pensions by the megatonne
1448941;1460143370;asciilifeform;(given as the marriages are not officiated by usg, the women all register as welfare mother cases)
1448942;1460143373;asciilifeform;mega-profit.
1448943;1460143408;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: have you ever been inside mormon temple ? unless you're architect or engineer who built the thing, or practising mormon thereafter, the answer is nope.
1448944;1460143435;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: they give tours
1448945;1460143439;asciilifeform;i used to work right next to it
1448946;1460143444;asciilifeform;but couldn't be arsed.
1448947;1460143458;pete_dushenski;tour of what, bathrooms ? front lawn ?
1448948;1460143490;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i have nfi! never went!
1448949;1460143508;asciilifeform;they have some exhibits for infidels
1448950;1460143644;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/24/federal-food-stamp-fraud-charges-could-topple-warren-jeffss-flds-church-utahs-largest-polygamous-sect/ << latest and greatest re welfare
1448951;1460143671;phf;Actually I remember threads from perhaps 2014 where mp was trying to communicate mp-ness, my impression is that he gave up from lack of grokking
1448952;1460143698;phf;What I'm saying it wasn't always "eat a naggant or be awesome"
1448953;1460143750;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448877 >> i routinely sit 3-4 h/day in car. << I knew a guy who went by train from Madison, Ct to NYC every weekday, and another guy who went from rhode island!! to NYC, also train. And to tie into current thread, there was a 3rd guy on the train who was mormon.
1448954;1460143769;phf;It was causes/purposes, original be rich guide, move to Argentina do cash, etc.
1448955;1460143789;asciilifeform;phf: how does 'move to argentina and do cash' work on folks who ain't already rich
1448956;1460143807;phf;You seen the prophet?
1448957;1460143813;asciilifeform;waiwut
1448958;1460143875;phf;Maybe I got the name wrong, about young Arab in prison
1448959;1460143914;asciilifeform;ah no i only read mircea_popescu's review of it.
1448960;1460144032;phf;Anyway I can't communicate that point because I only infrequently manage it, and the results are always predictably +ev, but perhaps it's the idea that minimax requires painful break, but then possibility space opens up and a talented person like yourself will have a relatively easy (though not effortless) time exploiting it
1448961;1460144068;asciilifeform;'talented' is not a scalar.
1448962;1460144073;asciilifeform;though mircea_popescu appears to think so.
1448963;1460144086;phf;And it's most definitely that you can't reason out of minimax, so sitting there "how does" is not going to work
1448964;1460144106;phf;That's usually when you put on a gas mask
1448965;1460144130;asciilifeform;this is sorta why the 'r-strategy' game is played with teenagers
1448966;1460144143;asciilifeform;because they are dumb enough to do a screamingly -ev thing
1448967;1460144150;asciilifeform;they don't get wedged in minimax pits.
1448968;1460144381;asciilifeform;but briefly back to thread, imho it is important to understand that asking 'how to be mircea_popescu' is a fundamentally broken question, not unlike 'how do i win the lotto'
1448969;1460144497;phf;Sure it's idiotic but that's where conversation ~ended~ with an obvious "eat a naggant" response
1448970;1460144499;asciilifeform;it is actually interesting to me, how mircea_popescu has a very strong respect for folks who take suicidally dumb risks (e.g., the 'oregon patriot' folk, isis snackbars, etc.)
1448971;1460144519;asciilifeform;could it be because fella himself took a strongly -ev tack and won ?
1448972;1460144526;asciilifeform;lessee what he says when wakes up.
1448973;1460144634;asciilifeform;i recall he had a spiffy article, where he cooked up an alternative to the maslow 'pyramid' thing, with 'mystical domination - being right when there was no good reason you could be right' as #5
1448974;1460144649;phf;It started with wolf teaching rabbits to hunt with a playfulness and earnestly "this how you put mouth on jugular see!!" with rabbits going "eww jugular how to hunt carrots like mp?" with an obvious "wtf durp" response
1448975;1460144694;asciilifeform;this is not an unfair summary.
1448976;1460144717;asciilifeform;to be complete, it oughta also contain a reminder that there is not a forest where you can put 10 bil. wolves.
1448977;1460144721;asciilifeform;and have'em eat.
1448978;1460145694;punkman;asciilifeform: but briefly back to thread, imho it is important to understand that asking 'how to be mircea_popescu' is a fundamentally broken question, not unlike 'how do i win the lotto' << hey we just had the answer to lotto. you cheat.
1448979;1460145756;asciilifeform;punkman: when you cheat at lotto, you are simply playing another lotto.
1448980;1460145759;asciilifeform;where you can't cheat.
1448981;1460145770;asciilifeform;(i.e. 10,001 of 'you' will be caught and jailed, 1 - wins.)
1448982;1460145847;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/wheel-of-misfortune.html << while we're on the subj.
1448983;1460145982;trinque;the lottery metaphor doesn't square with the wolves and rabbits metaphor at all.
1448984;1460146016;trinque;one's a pile of fungible derps; the other pointedly isn't
1448985;1460146253;trinque;(in all fairness to the rabbits, I'm aware of at least one instance of a rabbit eating the ears off his weaker brother)
1448986;1460146291;asciilifeform;trinque: you can't be a well-fed wolf just by wanting.
1448987;1460146369;asciilifeform;i have nfi how many mircea_popescus fit on one earth, but i doubt that even 100 do.
1448988;1460146907;trinque;asciilifeform: seems on the order of magnitude of the number of countries.
1448989;1460146951;asciilifeform;trinque: precious little to do with countries.
1448990;1460146989;trinque;I'd say it has everything to do with the architecture of human societies.
1448991;1460147007;jurov;wow, now alf's playing "become mp or bust"?
1448992;1460147019;asciilifeform;from my admittedly amateur understanding, mircea_popescus are produced when power verticals ~collapse~ and teenagers are competing in re cutting throats rather than who can be best young sov bureaucrat.
1448993;1460147022;trinque;jurov: who the fuck are you talking to, the audience?
1448994;1460147034;asciilifeform;jurov: nah, if i wanted to play, i oughta have played when i was 5
1448995;1460147035;jurov;to peanut gallery!
1448996;1460147043;trinque;yawn
1448997;1460147055;trinque;asciilifeform: seems exactly the right thing to happen right before another power vertical is established
1448998;1460147097;*;trinque thinks of ender wielding legions as though they are part of his extended body
1448999;1460147100;jurov;asciilifeform: really, no-commute-sleep-adlibitum is quite reachable even without going mp-complete
1449000;1460147127;asciilifeform;jurov: from my current position it is as fantastical as going to mars.
1449001;1460147228;trinque;back to the thread, considering people in isolation is an artifact of this world's thinking.
1449002;1460147237;jurov;no, it's just because you have cut yourself from most exits by forbidding yourself to pay any taxes
1449003;1460147252;asciilifeform;jurov: i presently pay ~50% tax.
1449004;1460147274;asciilifeform;more still, if you count the 'tax breaks' other usians get (e.g. mortgage) that i don't.
1449005;1460147299;trinque;"why is it so hard for an mp to build his superorganism?" is a more interesting question to me than "why not moar mp?"
1449006;1460147313;asciilifeform;why hard.
1449007;1460147314;asciilifeform;he has it.
1449008;1460147353;jurov;create a business, deduct expenses etc...but that discussion's dead horse, i guess
1449009;1460147557;*;danielpbarron gets to sleep adlibitum for most of the year -- has seasonal job, very little sleep during that season, and zero personal time to speak of
1449010;1460147644;danielpbarron;and since it's not all-year-round, and since no week is even the same really, i don't really get sick of working
1449011;1460147813;mircea_popescu;davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
1449012;1460147995;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448733 << there's this internet lore furry thing, so i suppose it intends to be high comedy ; but meh.
1449013;1460148089;asciilifeform;jurov: business requires capital.
1449014;1460148092;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448761 << had one ambushed by sluts at bdsm event thing, i thought i recounted for teh logs.\
1449015;1460148272;deedbot-;[Qntra] Weak RNG Assists Man's Lottery Fortune - http://qntra.net/2016/04/weak-rng-assists-mans-lottery-fortune/
1449016;1460148273;phf;danielpbarron: my impression is that in all seriousness asciilifeform pines for a technology priest status in an hierarchy that's at the very least not rotten through and through, i.e. building machines for non-lizard-hitler. he despairs since one is not available. as such "become crust punk" advise is totally inapplicable to him
1449017;1460148284;jurov;asciilifeform: Yes.
1449018;1460148308;mircea_popescu;it is altogether dubious, however, that priest-like organisation may exist in world bereft of some sort of hitler.
1449019;1460148308;asciilifeform;phf is a winner!
1449020;1460148309;asciilifeform;ding!
1449021;1460148325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who said it could.
1449022;1460148338;mircea_popescu;well wanting something you know can't exist is an idle sort of onanism.
1449023;1460148351;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure the word want may be thus prostituted.
1449024;1460148353;asciilifeform;ultimately all living things want ridiculous things that could not possibly exist.
1449025;1460148359;mircea_popescu;this is not so.
1449026;1460148366;phf;maybe human hitler is ok, just as long he's not the venusian variety
1449027;1460148367;mircea_popescu;"all women" maybe, and even this is dubious.
1449028;1460148386;mircea_popescu;phf this sounds to me a lot like "we'll build actual programming language on top of this approximating processor thing".
1449029;1460148425;asciilifeform;as a matter of fact, we will.
1449030;1460148441;mircea_popescu;either that or we'll mesterul manole all over the place.
1449031;1460148459;asciilifeform;either that or we get eaten.
1449032;1460148468;mircea_popescu;not even.
1449033;1460148490;asciilifeform;error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac] << ?!
1449034;1460148520;mircea_popescu;contrary to what the disney cartoon re-enactions of "the dinosaur age" may show for cinematic value, most dinosaurs died of organ failure, not of being eaten by a supposedly functional superpreditor that in point of fact was barely adequate to count as a manatee in modern terms.
1449035;1460148556;asciilifeform;i thought they died of starvation?
1449036;1460148587;asciilifeform;after meteor 'nuke winter'
1449037;1460148592;mircea_popescu;i mean historically not finally.
1449038;1460148601;asciilifeform;ah
1449039;1460148651;asciilifeform;'you have died of [death] ! please play again.' -- 'oregon trail'
1449040;1460148655;mircea_popescu;quite.
1449041;1460148745;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448791 << heh, prolly best bet if that's what he's after is find the freelancer.com injun that did the coding in the first place
1449042;1460148785;mircea_popescu;lol most senile republic :D
1449043;1460148806;mircea_popescu;i suppose the capital really should be alzheimera
1449044;1460148882;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448814 << no ho is too far out of wot!
1449045;1460148976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448825 << no he really had the right idea, something like that'd have been a great way to sanitize one's own meatwot.
1449046;1460149024;mircea_popescu;phf i bet you the reason ghetto beats regexp is that regexp is horribly implemented in w/e you use.
1449047;1460149039;mircea_popescu;generally, it's the one thing most hideously implemented anywhere.
1449048;1460149090;pete_dushenski;ha http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-auction-a-winrar-is-znort987#comment-8496
1449049;1460149166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448857 << he has a point i think ; while the semantic content of links may perhaps be argued in that way phf , seeing how for instance redirects are honored etc ; nevertheless can't simply hijack people's links.
1449050;1460149236;mircea_popescu;davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
1449051;1460149330;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448873 << check it out, he's caught bad habits from irc.
1449052;1460149366;phf;original purpose was to let me read log references without leaving the log reader, but jurov later suggested doing a more exhaustive link fix for deprecated urls
1449053;1460149391;phf;the whole link fix has been superseded by annotations anyway
1449054;1460149396;mircea_popescu;i can see why pre-dragon log would link to itself rather than build an outside dependency. who even knows how long the old log website will last.
1449055;1460149406;mircea_popescu;but that is then. now - people link to whatever they want and it's what it is.
1449056;1460149486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: i have learned that: a) there is ~0 demand for the things i know how to do among honest-work folks b) the folks who ~are~ hiring reversers, CAN'T FIND them << "socialism works" in other words.
1449057;1460149490;mircea_popescu;this is exactly how it fucking goes.
1449058;1460149520;phf;"there is nothing wrong with your television set. do not attempt to adjust the picture. we are controlling transmission."
1449059;1460149566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a charitable interpretation
1449060;1460149583;mircea_popescu;so im charitable.
1449061;1460149603;phf;behavior was obviously buggy, with an equally trivial fix, i.e. fragment < last-t-a-entry-id
1449062;1460149616;asciilifeform;(the most reality-based hypothesis is that ~asciilifeform~ simply isn't 133337 enough to score decent gig)
1449063;1460149644;phf;but the question of link hijack remains, i will revisit it after i refine the annotation mechanism a bit
1449064;1460149648;mircea_popescu;this isn't how it works. decent gigs, like slutty chicks, aren't "earned", especially not in the linear, old mia farrow view of earning.
1449065;1460149672;asciilifeform;yeah i get it i read nietzsche too
1449066;1460149686;mircea_popescu;well then show it lol
1449067;1460149703;asciilifeform;i also read caesar, where do i 'show' ~that~.
1449068;1460149731;mircea_popescu;where you keep bawing on alexander's grave like some sort of future great general ? i dunno.
1449069;1460149744;asciilifeform;l0l
1449070;1460149765;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448918 << this is no light matter.
1449071;1460149807;mircea_popescu;biggest problem with everett's notions of qm, and why bohr was a respected physicist whereas everett was a sort of h. ellison, was that he purports to have some sort of q-independent causality.
1449072;1460149824;asciilifeform;i have 0 respect for the vitalist bohr.
1449073;1460149829;mircea_popescu;for all you know, the cause and effect chain breaks down and the pistol jams BECAUSE you tied the cart to this arrangement
1449074;1460149844;asciilifeform;and i see his respectability as wholly engineered and 'aged statesman' dowager crud.
1449075;1460149850;mircea_popescu;this approach is so utterly naive as to rather call to mind britney spears.
1449076;1460149863;mircea_popescu;well, not like you have to!
1449077;1460149881;mircea_popescu;but the problem remains teh problem.
1449078;1460149885;asciilifeform;the man was in a deeper sense an antiscientist than lysenko.
1449079;1460149890;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1449080;1460149893;asciilifeform;vitalist.
1449081;1460149899;asciilifeform;and connived to bring back vitalism.
1449082;1460149901;asciilifeform;successfully.
1449083;1460149901;mircea_popescu;einstein, same measure ?
1449084;1460149906;asciilifeform;nope.
1449085;1460149912;mircea_popescu;but god doth not play dice ?
1449086;1460149917;asciilifeform;where did e put in 'magical brain rays collapsing wavefunction'
1449087;1460149919;asciilifeform;he did not.
1449088;1460149922;mircea_popescu;right in there.
1449089;1460149926;asciilifeform;nowhere.
1449090;1460149943;mircea_popescu;you forget or simplky dunno the ridiculous phase towards the end where he was refusing various bits of physics on the grounds that they insulted his religious notions ?
1449091;1460149960;asciilifeform;quote me where einstein in his ~productive~ life privileged man.
1449092;1460149976;asciilifeform;(as bohr did)
1449093;1460149982;mircea_popescu;you just moved to scotsman argument.
1449094;1460149992;asciilifeform;fine, in his entire body of work
1449095;1460149993;asciilifeform;where?
1449096;1460150072;mircea_popescu;you not familiar with the scandal where einstein wouldn't take the heisenberg uncertainity ?
1449097;1460150092;asciilifeform;i am
1449098;1460150099;asciilifeform;he was into 'clockwork world' aha.
1449099;1460150104;mircea_popescu;and this is not meeting your standards ?
1449100;1460150109;asciilifeform;it is precise opposite.
1449101;1460150116;mircea_popescu;i do not follow.
1449102;1460150118;asciilifeform;(he demanded a model that does not admit chance anywhere.)
1449103;1460150141;mircea_popescu;and from this you infer that ?
1449104;1460150184;asciilifeform;afaik at no point did e proclaim 'this physical system behaves differently when some human is looking at it'
1449105;1460150199;mircea_popescu;human has nothing to do with this.
1449106;1460150204;asciilifeform;an idiocy that ~ought~ to have gotten bohr into a productive and happy life of tractor-driving
1449107;1460150207;asciilifeform;instead of physics
1449108;1460150219;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what you read, but human wasn't bohr's concern either.
1449109;1460150230;asciilifeform;he had motherfucking 'sentient observers'
1449110;1460150240;mircea_popescu;the point is that interaction changes a system and observation is not priviledged.
1449111;1460150270;asciilifeform;actually he privileged observers (e.g., the man, but not the cat)
1449112;1460150279;mircea_popescu;you'll hafta quote.
1449113;1460150282;asciilifeform;bohr rather.
1449114;1460150407;*;asciilifeform will have to come back to this.
1449115;1460150414;mircea_popescu;sentient is in any case not the proper word. the point is that if observer future behaviour is modulated by the observation, this is one class of thing. such as is the man, or the cat. and if observer future behaviour is not so modulated, then this is another class of thing. such as a rock.
1449116;1460150442;mircea_popescu;but this is a purely mental exercise, and of no particular physical relevancy, really.
1449117;1460150449;asciilifeform;it is a dodge.
1449118;1460150459;mircea_popescu;dodging what ?
1449119;1460150469;asciilifeform;dodging the question of what ~actually~ happens.
1449120;1460150475;mircea_popescu;nothing actually happens.
1449121;1460150505;asciilifeform;in all previous physical theories, there is a solid reality presumed.
1449122;1460150506;mircea_popescu;which goes directly to your "correct program for all electrically-possible inputs". there is never going to be a very interesting program which takes an ennumeralbe list of inputs. such is the sad fate of things.
1449123;1460150515;mircea_popescu;yes, but this presumption is unwarranted.
1449124;1460150516;asciilifeform;admitting mushmind idiocy is a poetteringization of physics.
1449125;1460150522;mircea_popescu;uh.
1449126;1460150617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: present-day state of the art in programs is closer to the arab 'insha'llah' ('allah's will drives atoms to do whatever the fuck they want, what is this science thing') than to anything else.
1449127;1460150627;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1449128;1460150635;asciilifeform;~some measure of sanity~ is possible.
1449129;1460150636;mircea_popescu;hey, there's no objection to your very valid criticisms in locus.
1449130;1460150657;mircea_popescu;but they'll never build such a tower of babel as to actually touch the definitive-complete-actually-happens-clockwork.
1449131;1460150686;asciilifeform;surely not.
1449132;1460150696;mircea_popescu;so you're a vitalist and shame on you.
1449133;1460150701;asciilifeform;but recall that prior to structural steel, a 6-story bldg that isn't a pyramid is a 'tower of babel'
1449134;1460150707;asciilifeform;every bit as 'space lift tower' is today.
1449135;1460150717;asciilifeform;all i propose is the 'structural steel.'
1449136;1460150721;mircea_popescu;nah, roman insulae were as tall as 10-12 stories.
1449137;1460150751;asciilifeform;worx so long as you don't put in cast-iron bathtubs, pianos...
1449138;1460150767;asciilifeform;rome was lighter use case for structures.
1449139;1460150771;mircea_popescu;well, hagia sofia still stands, and it carried gilded roof.
1449140;1460150776;asciilifeform;roof.
1449141;1460150781;mircea_popescu;but yes, be it 6 and 12, whatever it is, still low.
1449142;1460150792;asciilifeform;(roof cheats, can have buttresses, columns.)
1449143;1460150805;mircea_popescu;yeh
1449144;1460150810;mircea_popescu;latin really means "cheat"
1449145;1460150821;asciilifeform;l0l
1449146;1460150980;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448924 << this is actually eerily accurate ;/
1449147;1460150981;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1449148;1460150996;mircea_popescu;certainlyt most of the people i cared to hang out over the years are stiff.
1449149;1460151730;phf;problem with parsing urls is not regex or no regex, it's that you can't reliably parse a url without resorting to heuristics OR doing nlp on context. all ; , : ) are valid constituents of url path, query and fragment, so you can't know where url ends and context begins.
1449150;1460152223;mircea_popescu;that's also a thing
1449151;1460152606;asciilifeform;or could simply load it
1449152;1460152614;asciilifeform;if not errorcode --> valid url....
1449153;1460152811;mircea_popescu;what of dead links ?
1449154;1460152906;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448936 << this is nonsense. people are born every day. yes, you won't be able to make the present crop regain their youth / live forever / be happy / bla bla. nor are these valid goals, outside of daydreaming.
1449155;1460153010;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448952 << the incentive for hearing that, notwithstanding whatever may have been said, is that the answer's ready and includes no actual effort.\
1449156;1460153051;mircea_popescu;and you didn't getg the name wrong, un prophete.
1449157;1460153109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448961 << that';s not the real issue. the really issue is that SELF is not a scalar, and you'd want it to be.
1449158;1460153152;mircea_popescu;\
1449159;1460153175;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448966 << mno. it's because they're humble enough.
1449160;1460153207;asciilifeform;same thing.
1449161;1460153212;mircea_popescu;for the record, adults are by and large MUCH dumber than teenagers. which is why i will accept a shoddy seventeen year old to serve, but not a thirty-one year old were her ass gilded.
1449162;1460153243;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet a teen actually as dumb as the average adult. ignorant, sure, but that's something else.
1449163;1460153247;asciilifeform;i thought it was the wrinkles ?
1449164;1460153261;mircea_popescu;you'd think that, for the same reason you think all tyhe other things around this topic.
1449165;1460153277;mircea_popescu;but no, i couldn't care less bout the wrinkles.
1449166;1460153279;asciilifeform;actually i have certifiably nfi
1449167;1460153291;asciilifeform;my scale-model mircea_popescu fails me.
1449168;1460153413;asciilifeform;but waitasec
1449169;1460153420;asciilifeform;since when do we give a flying fuck about 'average adult' ?
1449170;1460153444;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448971 << mno. it's because the fella despises the huswife notions of valuation ; and knows enough about risk to understand wtf it ACTUALLY is, and has the experience of it to have verified such understanding. earlier's convo with polish econ guy related.
1449171;1460153456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform since we're discussing people in general.
1449172;1460153597;mircea_popescu;see as a forinstance, you ~think~ that going up to some angry looking black dudes propping a streetlight in the bad part of town and sticking them up with your bare hands is "insanely suicidal risk". this is exactly not how it fucking works, as drexl explains for your benefit, if you were paying attention.
1449173;1460153827;asciilifeform;who?
1449174;1460153832;asciilifeform;(who is drexl ?)
1449175;1460153835;mircea_popescu;drexl.
1449176;1460153842;mircea_popescu;this guy, thinks he's a nigger. got a bad scar and missing eye.
1449177;1460153871;asciilifeform;i burn with eagerness to follow this guru ?!
1449178;1460153889;asciilifeform;can haz guru with 2 eyez?
1449179;1460153889;mircea_popescu;;;google "now i know i'm pretty, but i ain't as pretty as a couple of titties"
1449180;1460153890;gribble;Drexl Spivey (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; True Romance (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Drexl Spivey - The Quentin Tarantino Archives:
1449181;1460153939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448987 << very many, actually. the least bothersome thing to a mp is another one.
1449182;1460154014;asciilifeform;then who did mircea_popescu's friends ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449148 ) in ?
1449183;1460154015;mircea_popescu;and ftr, power verticals collapse BECAUSE of appearance of the mythical beast, not the other way.
1449184;1460154018;asciilifeform;orcs ?
1449185;1460154023;mircea_popescu;mps are the product of mps and nothing else.
1449186;1460154035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where were they in 1970s su then
1449187;1460154044;asciilifeform;sleeping in the ground ? like cicada eggs ?
1449188;1460154046;mircea_popescu;apparently - not there. i dunno, wasn't there myself.
1449189;1460154089;mircea_popescu;and you have to appreciate, your particular notion of "living very long time" as summum bonum is not widely shared.
1449190;1460154101;asciilifeform;actually this is not mine
1449191;1460154120;asciilifeform;i did not say 'would like to live very long time!11' but only that 'not in a hurry to eat the luger yet'
1449192;1460154123;asciilifeform;different thing.
1449193;1460154141;asciilifeform;in point of fact i am on record as 'i dun need being 50 yo for anything.'
1449194;1460154215;asciilifeform;on the other hand i recognize that the things i actually like (and consider vital) are very much not widely shared.
1449195;1460154245;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's very little competition going on. i have numerous memories of "teenagers trying to compete" throughout schooling - starting with say this girl in 3rd grade even. i never competed with anyone, wtf do i care.
1449196;1460154259;asciilifeform;ok who killed mircea_popescu's chums then ?
1449197;1460154264;asciilifeform;meteors ?
1449198;1460154283;mircea_popescu;meteors, cancer, orcs, other ones, women, drinking, boredom...
1449199;1460154287;mircea_popescu;what usually kills people ?
1449200;1460154341;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-03-2015#1046786 << oblig
1449201;1460154345;asciilifeform;(new logz broken ?)
1449202;1460154357;asciilifeform;i will repeat it here, i suppose:
1449203;1460154360;asciilifeform;wife says to drunken husband, 'every night you drink, drink, you never bring money home, you worthless piece of shit, go visit the cemetary - see how many gravestones say 'died of vodka.'..'
1449204;1460154365;asciilifeform;husband goes off, actually goes to count.
1449205;1460154369;asciilifeform;comes back, says,
1449206;1460154375;asciilifeform;'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.'
1449207;1460154401;mircea_popescu;i see it in teh new logz
1449208;1460154404;asciilifeform;hm.
1449209;1460154409;asciilifeform;what am i doing wrong
1449210;1460154420;mircea_popescu;vodka!
1449211;1460154426;asciilifeform;apparently!
1449212;1460154431;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/09-03-2015#1046786 << 404
1449213;1460154614;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448998 << you know, if anyone actually cares, i had that book, and read it at the age (romanians did these super-glossy high value looking sf series for some reason, for a few years were the best physical item books avail in ro. http://www.endernews.com/images/covers/rom-1994-nemira.jpg << this one), but didn't think much of it. read to me like so much purple prose, some derp jacking off w
1449214;1460154614;mircea_popescu;ith substititive fantasies, lots of that sort of crud floating around at the time. liked n. spinrad's alte americi and masinaria rock&roll way better.
1449215;1460154616;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1449216;1460154644;mircea_popescu;actually, am i the only norman spinrad reader ?
1449217;1460154665;asciilifeform;not only one.
1449218;1460154670;asciilifeform;and i never liked 'ender'
1449219;1460154681;asciilifeform;it is somehow pathologically american b00k.
1449220;1460154682;mircea_popescu;(alte americi ie other americas was an anthology, street meet ; the lost continent ; world war last ; la vie continue)
1449221;1460154688;asciilifeform;i was never able to pin down quite why
1449222;1460154742;mircea_popescu;notably, he has the sex-fiend ex car salesman thing. guy predicted trump!
1449223;1460154748;mircea_popescu;then again most people predicted trump.
1449224;1460154774;asciilifeform;sheckley predicted the shit-future
1449225;1460154777;asciilifeform;where nothing really changed.
1449226;1460154783;asciilifeform;afaik the only one who did.
1449227;1460154803;mircea_popescu;well... huxley neh ?
1449228;1460154815;asciilifeform;nah huxley's world at least had sex and dope
1449229;1460154821;asciilifeform;as a matter of course
1449230;1460154826;asciilifeform;and satisfied sheeple
1449231;1460154847;*;asciilifeform never thought much of huxley
1449232;1460154918;asciilifeform;and iirc he got seriously hot&bothered thinkin' of '30s totalitarian inca empires.
1449233;1460154931;asciilifeform;like 99% of the 'intellectualz' of his time.
1449234;1460154941;mircea_popescu;heh
1449235;1460154948;asciilifeform;i find this as bitter a pill as mircea_popescu does rms.
1449236;1460154983;*;asciilifeform bbl
1449237;1460155004;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449008 << dfidn't go anywhere last time, no.
1449238;1460156658;deedbot-;[Qntra] Shapeshift.io Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/04/shapeshift-io-hacked/
1449239;1460156812;shinohai;BingoBoingo: spelling of "breech" to "breach"
1449240;1460158226;BingoBoingo;ty
1449241;1460158283;shinohai;np, unless that was a pun on Erik Voorhee's ass xD
1449242;1460158333;BingoBoingo;mebbe
1449243;1460160663;jurov;mircea_popescu: is there any mpex mintenance going on?
1449244;1460161262;mircea_popescu;bg
1449245;1460161264;mircea_popescu;n
1449246;1460161282;mircea_popescu;jurov couldja ask the actual question plox ty.
1449247;1460161352;jurov;set email
1449248;1460161354;jurov;*sent
1449249;1460161393;mircea_popescu;aite.
1449250;1460161400;mircea_popescu;dpaste faster, ftr.
1449251;1460161444;jurov;mk
1449252;1460161496;mircea_popescu;$voice mthreat
1449253;1460161496;deedbot;$voice mthreat is not a command.
1449254;1460161505;mircea_popescu;$up mthreat
1449255;1460161506;deedbot;mthreat voiced for 30 minutes.
1449256;1460161517;mircea_popescu;mthreat were you talking to deedbot- with a - ?
1449257;1460162014;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah, basically. s.bbet is no longer available for trade ; shareholders will receive liquidation as calculated stated earlier ; f.mpif is also no longer available for trade ; it will be liquidated end of april.
1449258;1460162026;jurov;and s.qntr?
1449259;1460162039;mircea_popescu;nothing peculiar there.
1449260;1460162108;jurov;mpex is not processing s.qntr orders, too
1449261;1460162131;mircea_popescu;was soem delay but i see it did.
1449262;1460162138;mircea_popescu;check ?
1449263;1460162183;jurov;yes, it went through
1449264;1460162190;jurov;thanks
1449265;1460162290;mthreat;no just deedbot
1449266;1460162348;mircea_popescu;mthreat weird.
1449267;1460162367;mircea_popescu;trinque hey, various peeps complaining deedbot is ignoring their $up.
1449268;1460162377;mircea_popescu;slow's kinda not good in that spot as it makes people think it dun work.
1449269;1460162546;trinque;yep, I need to replace that box; it's straining under doing that and being a bitcoin node at the same time
1449270;1460162590;trinque;mthreat: replies to me in about 12sec currently
1449271;1460162596;trinque;isn't replying at all to you?
1449272;1460162659;mthreat;trinque: it does for $up, but I don't know what command to send for the "verify" command
1449273;1460162673;mthreat;trinque: i tried 'help', etc, can't find a help
1449274;1460162674;trinque;oh, $v with the OTP
1449275;1460162680;trinque;yes it does need a $help
1449276;1460162680;mthreat;ok
1449277;1460162689;mthreat;or a $verify alias to $v :)
1449278;1460162692;trinque;certainly
1449279;1460162722;trinque;I'm gonna poke the DC monday about moving to a box with moar cores, and will probably push some updates to the bot itself too then
1449280;1460162734;mthreat;thanks, it works!
1449281;1460162744;trinque;yw :)
1449282;1460162764;mthreat;mircea_popescu: anyway, just a trip to the US. Went to the classic jet aircraft association conference, met bunch of jet pilots.
1449283;1460162911;mthreat;and ate chipotle
1449284;1460163560;mircea_popescu;is that the thing that makes you shit blood ?
1449285;1460163583;mircea_popescu;it's $v btw. never was !verify eitehr, !v.
1449286;1460163680;shinohai;mthreat and ate chipotle <<< hope you don't die of dysentery (tm)
1449287;1460164485;mircea_popescu;12 is nb tbh trinque
1449288;1460165412;mthreat;no dysentery here, my gut is strong
1449289;1460166161;mthreat;mircea_popescu: speaking of dysentery, we should get lunch soon
1449290;1460166738;trinque; An I/O error occurred: undocumented reason (return code: 5).
1449291;1460166740;trinque;SSL error queue is empty.
1449292;1460166742;trinque;weird stuff
1449293;1460167002;trinque;$help
1449294;1460167003;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1449295;1460167006;trinque;mthreat: ^
1449296;1460167355;mthreat;trinque: sweet thanks
1449297;1460169126;trinque;once more.
1449298;1460169360;trinque;ok. built a binary and I have that being managed by runit
1449299;1460169452;trinque;
1449300;1460169453;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1449301;1460169931;phf;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449212 << is iso8601 order
1449302;1460169962;phf;for how much confusion the order switch creates, perhaps should allow for reversal, but i'd really like there to be one canonical way
1449303;1460170259;trinque; fixed the barf with leading whitespace, and hooked the thing into runit.
1449304;1460170363;trinque;$gettrust deedbot trinque
1449305;1460170364;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
1449306;1460170368;phf;i wrote a statemachine to manage bot state, but now connection doesn't want to croak :/
1449307;1460170402;trinque;heh, fleanode will have a seizure any moment now
1449308;1460170426;phf;oh i'm sure it's going to go down 5 minutes after i check in for the night
1449309;1460170949;*;trinque must be getting sleepy, repeating himself
1449310;1460170951;trinque;to bed
1449311;1460171491;punkman;god morgen
1449312;1460172038;shinohai;Guten Morgen, Herr punkman
1449313;1460172176;mircea_popescu;mthreat lol sure.
1449314;1460172207;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/kIvV0ow.jpg
1449315;1460172212;mircea_popescu;phf croak != cloak
1449316;1460172252;punkman;heh
1449317;1460172331;phf;i meant the first one
1449318;1460172396;punkman;bought that Hario grinder yesterday, gotta wonder if the Engrish in the manual is not on purpose.
1449319;1460172408;phf;i want to observe state transition (and timing) during fall over, to take it to a next step
1449320;1460174557;punkman;https://github.com/TrustInSoft/tis-interpreter
1449321;1460175913;phf;http://zahardzhan.github.io/2011/lisp.html
1449322;1460176084;asciilifeform;phf: l0l!
1449323;1460176389;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449320 << medicine for a corpse.
1449324;1460176440;asciilifeform;and the examples are quite contrived.
1449325;1460176713;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449300 << imho this is lame, sheerly from the fact that i need 10x as many keystrokes to transform an old link to a usable one.
1449326;1460176730;asciilifeform;fuck iso.
1449327;1460176852;asciilifeform;^ re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449301 rather.
1449328;1460176885;phf;i think i'll add /log/?date=09-04-2016
1449329;1460176903;phf;which'll do correct redirect, but i didn't have the time. tomorrah
1449330;1460179870;punkman;https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/04/panama-papers-wordpress-email-connection/
1449331;1460200878;mircea_popescu;;;seen davout
1449332;1460200879;gribble;davout was last seen in #trilema 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0HR7P5B.txt
1449333;1460200982;mircea_popescu;$up dooglus
1449334;1460200993;deedbot;dooglus voiced for 30 minutes.
1449335;1460200993;mircea_popescu;you up the same way, say $up to deedbot in pm then $v
1449336;1460201985;mircea_popescu;and in other breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/43a7927447299f00dcdf7c7848abb343/tumblr_n6lnvegu0b1t0gmzbo1_1280.jpg
1449337;1460205273;wywialm;hello
1449338;1460211202;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449330 << l0l! Run Moar Shitware !
1449339;1460211264;asciilifeform;'MF are running the WP SMTP plugin which gives you the ability to send mail from your website via a mail server. This plugin stores email server address and login information in plain text in the WordPress database. ... MF are also running the ALO EasyMail Newsletter plugin which provides list management functionality. One of the functions it provides is to receive bounced emails from a mail server and automatically remove those boun
1449340;1460211264;asciilifeform;ced mails from the subscriber list. To do this, the plugin needs access to read emails from the email server. This plugin also stores email server login information in the WordPress database in plain text. ...'
1449341;1460212378;mircea_popescu;hola
1449342;1460212695;asciilifeform;hola señor popescu !
1449343;1460212714;mircea_popescu;como andan ?
1449344;1460212832;asciilifeform;El coronel no tiene quien le escriba, Полковника никто не ждет, Большие города, ... , Ни берега ни дна , Холодная война. (tm) (r)
1449345;1460212885;mircea_popescu;lol
1449346;1460212990;mircea_popescu;in other open questions for the esteemed citizenship, please explain how quadrupedes walk.
1449347;1460214226;asciilifeform;which ones ?
1449348;1460214251;asciilifeform;camel - quite unlike dog, etc.
1449349;1460214416;asciilifeform;(exercise for the reader - determine which animal(s) the famous machine 'bigdog' walks as.)
1449350;1460214660;mircea_popescu;dog/cat/mostly horse
1449351;1460214664;mircea_popescu;you know, the common ones.
1449352;1460214697;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w << re the machine.
1449353;1460215004;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/04/uk-sex-story-ban.htm << unrelated lulz
1449354;1460215075;mircea_popescu;check it out, invalid cert
1449355;1460215082;mircea_popescu;valid for 0ldrepublictitle.com ?
1449356;1460215099;asciilifeform;i get plain http l0l
1449357;1460215110;mircea_popescu;you linked https
1449358;1460215117;asciilifeform;oh hah
1449359;1460215128;asciilifeform;pasted internal link from the site
1449360;1460215150;asciilifeform;with the link pasted, i see their traditional cert.
1449361;1460215159;mircea_popescu;oh check it out, the independent didn't have 17.9 btc spare.
1449362;1460215169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is getting a monkeyed route it seems ?
1449363;1460215170;mircea_popescu;for fiat science, vorwarts!
1449364;1460215460;mircea_popescu; http://dpaste.com/2WTCZAR << what i get
1449365;1460215484;mircea_popescu;jesus christ look at that, sha384.
1449366;1460215655;mircea_popescu;anyway, wtf is this 0ldrepublictitle.com
1449367;1460215664;asciilifeform;i see no such thing.
1449368;1460215762;asciilifeform;openssl s_client -showcerts -connect cryptome.org:443 /dev/null|openssl x509 -outform PEM >cryptome.pem
1449369;1460215765;asciilifeform;^ gets what ?
1449370;1460215784;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/34SRW21 << mine.
1449371;1460215801;mircea_popescu;lemme export the whole hierarchy sec
1449372;1460215828;asciilifeform;(given command only shits out the 1st in the chain)
1449373;1460216028;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/10TN9EJ <<< reverse order.
1449374;1460216071;asciilifeform;i do not see the '0ldrepublictitle.com' crud anywhere in my chain.
1449375;1460216078;mircea_popescu;https://certificate.revocationcheck.com/whisperhearing.com << and w/e THAT is either.
1449376;1460216083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i got a different chain.
1449377;1460216087;asciilifeform;entirely.
1449378;1460216156;asciilifeform;holy fuck is this a cheap diddle.
1449379;1460216160;mircea_popescu;aha!
1449380;1460216165;asciilifeform;y so cheap!!11
1449381;1460216188;mircea_popescu;openssl reports same as in dpaste.
1449382;1460216197;asciilifeform;in yours, i presume
1449383;1460216201;mircea_popescu;yes.
1449384;1460216219;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1449385;1460216229;mircea_popescu;so what are all these domains then :D
1449386;1460216274;mircea_popescu;compare, for your amusement, dig 0ldrepublictitle.com with dig access.0ldrepublictitle.com (the latter is what the cert really serves)
1449387;1460216300;mircea_popescu;rarely have i seen all the letter servers from a to m be in the authority section of an obscure, blogger.com-esque domain.
1449388;1460216321;asciilifeform;aaactually
1449389;1460216329;asciilifeform;i see same thing in both.
1449390;1460216352;mircea_popescu;with cryptome.org i meant
1449391;1460216384;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "The team of hearing care professionals at. Whisper Hearing Centers use the most advanced technology. My Humor. Talking some good old fashion gossip" etc.
1449392;1460216398;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2M0KNC0
1449393;1460216421;mircea_popescu;so why is some aural health clinic in roseville/oakland connected to this thing then.
1449394;1460216430;asciilifeform;why do you THINK. l0l.
1449395;1460216457;asciilifeform;except, again, it is only connected if you're on mircea_popescu's end of the ferretcannon.
1449396;1460216496;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2GTX2E1
1449397;1460216519;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1449398;1460216715;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wget -l 0 -qO- https://cryptome.org | sha512sum plox
1449399;1460216726;asciilifeform;fabff2ffd92a4118b31279ee8dad6c5101202b1aae815dd392d175ff9f4e96cfe3d0ad31e0f910c06e10bc90a4224526911857747a7744960bf533fb2560bce8 << mine.
1449400;1460216854;mircea_popescu;$ wget -l 0 -qO- https://cryptome.org | sha512sum cf83e1357eefb8bdf1542850d66d8007d620e4050b5715dc83f4a921d36ce9ce47d0d13c5d85f2b0ff8318d2877eec2f63b931bd47417a81a538327af927da3e
1449401;1460216861;asciilifeform;oh for FUCKS sake
1449402;1460216864;deedbot;$ wget -l 0 -qO- https://cryptome.org | sha512sum cf83e1357eefb8bdf1542850d66d8007d620e4050b5715dc83f4a921d36ce9ce47d0d13c5d85f2b0ff8318d2877eec2f63b931bd47417a81a538327af927da3e is not a command.
1449403;1460216866;mircea_popescu;lol
1449404;1460216925;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/0ADM003
1449405;1460216967;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts you get a diddled john young pgp pubkey
1449406;1460217313;asciilifeform;can haz diff ?
1449407;1460218184;mircea_popescu;in a sec ya
1449408;1460218199;mircea_popescu;i gotta confess this was the best cryptome link to date. usually it's kinda flat.
1449409;1460218269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so where do you want me to get the key from ?
1449410;1460218296;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just diff plox
1449411;1460218304;asciilifeform;i'd like to know the diddlepayload.
1449412;1460218307;mircea_popescu;between the stuff in dpaste and ?
1449413;1460218407;asciilifeform;and your wget ....
1449414;1460218412;mircea_popescu;of ?
1449415;1460218419;asciilifeform; wget -l 0 -qO- https://cryptome.org > foo
1449416;1460218423;mircea_popescu;a ok ok
1449417;1460218456;*;asciilifeform ON A MOTHERFUKING SATURDAY yet ANOTHER phone interview with folks who ~lied~ in advertisement re telecommute
1449418;1460218461;asciilifeform;srsly the derpery
1449419;1460218505;asciilifeform;'caek for sale' rrrrring 'let's talk about the cake' 'ok' [next day] 'let's talk about the cake. we don't actually have cake. but we have some broken glass and cement. how would you like some??'
1449420;1460218612;mircea_popescu;wget -l 0 -qO- https://cryptome.org > foo.txt produces an empty file
1449421;1460218613;mircea_popescu;lulz.
1449422;1460218617;mircea_popescu;this shit doesn't even wurk
1449423;1460218626;asciilifeform;waaat
1449424;1460218634;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1449425;1460218660;asciilifeform;try curl ?
1449426;1460218685;mircea_popescu;curl works fine o.O
1449427;1460218692;asciilifeform;l0l!
1449428;1460218771;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2CZ8VBT enjoy
1449429;1460218807;asciilifeform;paste the raw text, i'ma 'meld' it
1449430;1460218926;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2FKDMBB via base64 foo.txt >
1449431;1460218948;mircea_popescu;for great glory, it almost starts with "petuh"
1449432;1460218954;asciilifeform;l0l!
1449433;1460218993;asciilifeform;null diff !
1449434;1460218999;mircea_popescu;vhell then!
1449435;1460219025;asciilifeform; $ sha512sum mp.txt
1449436;1460219025;asciilifeform;360dd2f7a5f602c4f38f3ef4376136b11e295a0045523cf67bb5e7a50fcf52cc6f00c46ad855dcb6e55b0be3bbd679bbd2d11c398e80e652d1e9f2bb9b7cc130
1449437;1460219416;*;asciilifeform pictures hitler minion, who turned off the jammer ~just in time~, cackling
1449438;1460219996;mircea_popescu;lol
1449439;1460220019;mircea_popescu;yeh same hash.
1449440;1460220060;mircea_popescu;i still get the same pem tho
1449441;1460220135;mircea_popescu;in other lulz " www.0ldrepublictitle.com; or visit us on Facebook at ORNTIC or ORTC, or on Twitter @OldRepTitle. The Old Republic Title Insurance Group, Inc. is comprised of ..."
1449442;1460220394;mircea_popescu;so what the fuck is the relation between a cali hearing clinic, a mid sized title holding/services company such that they'd share certs ? and no, it's not JUST on the mp end of the cannon : http://archive.is/uHV8m
1449443;1460220601;asciilifeform;clinic and title company both ran winblowz and Generous Shareholder Donated their cert to ftmeade ?
1449444;1460220606;asciilifeform;i thought this was obvious
1449445;1460220625;mircea_popescu;no i meant from the alt-reality usg perspective
1449446;1460220645;mircea_popescu;"never happened - but if it did happen, then... what ? operator error ?
1449447;1460220658;asciilifeform;from inside the mental asylum, this... idk, helps stand up the delusion that anyone gives half a shit re ssl ?
1449448;1460220681;mircea_popescu;yeah totally
1449449;1460220681;asciilifeform;props up the notion that the master keys aren't owned by hitler and therefore this idiocy must be done ?
1449450;1460220682;mircea_popescu;lol.
1449451;1460220706;asciilifeform;or that the protocol isn't swiss cheese on all levels outside of the crypto ?
1449452;1460220708;asciilifeform;or, or.
1449453;1460220721;mircea_popescu;anyway. was entertaining.
1449454;1460220739;asciilifeform;would've been mega-entertaining if not for the null diff. but sure.
1449455;1460220766;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra-able ??
1449456;1460220780;mircea_popescu;possibly of interest to the cryptome people only.
1449457;1460220793;asciilifeform;not imho mega-nyooz but it beats the 'furry' nonsense
1449458;1460220807;mircea_popescu;nah, that's funny, this is tedium.
1449459;1460220849;mircea_popescu;people who know the us is a scam know the us is a scam. people who "don't know" "don't know" for various good reasons that this bit isn't addressing.
1449460;1460220896;asciilifeform;there still always remains the chance to not merely 'x is a scam' but to take the scammer, and nail his arms and legs to the floor
1449461;1460220902;asciilifeform;imho more rewarding pasttime
1449462;1460221483;mircea_popescu;can't argue with that.
1449463;1460221572;mircea_popescu;anyway, root domain isn't a very good test. who knows, maybe there's some web-based "log in" state thing somewhere on cryptome or w/e.
1449464;1460221654;asciilifeform;not visibly.
1449465;1460221674;asciilifeform;i get diffs only when he updates the text.
1449466;1460221681;asciilifeform;and only there.
1449467;1460221718;mircea_popescu;wouldn't necessarily be linked from main
1449468;1460221729;asciilifeform;(there are no timestamps, cache control crapolade, etc)
1449469;1460222500;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra-able ?? << Mebbe? Lemme take a look
1449470;1460223177;BingoBoingo;Ok, someone with a better idea of how SSL works, pls qntra this
1449471;1460223210;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform ON A MOTHERFUKING SATURDAY yet ANOTHER phone interview with folks who ~lied~ in advertisement re telecommute << Seriously try home depot
1449472;1460223276;BingoBoingo;Who knows alf mebbe you even get to make friends with some orcs?
1449473;1460224159;shinohai;"Police dropped all endangerment charges in exchange for him not filing a complaint about them expressing relief he won’t be able to reproduce." https://thevalleyreport.com/2016/03/14/man-shoots-off-his-own-penis-taking-selfies-with-gun/
1449474;1460224273;BingoBoingo;win
1449475;1460225441;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449471 << l0lwut
1449476;1460225504;*;asciilifeform already has a shitjob, dun need another that pays 10x less for anything
1449477;1460226963;deedbot-;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Five cars, four peoples, $3 mn, two turtledoves, and one supreme weapon. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/09/five-cars-four-peoples-3-mn-two-turtledoves-and-one-supreme-weapon/
1449478;1460229791;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449442 << was that https? they likely use some middleman like cloudflare which issues one common certificate per random group of customers
1449479;1460230076;jurov;just checked, they still do it, there's like 40 alt names on one cert
1449480;1460234332;asciilifeform;jurov: realize, i see no such thing here
1449481;1460234337;asciilifeform;jurov: try usa proxy & see what i mean.
1449482;1460234348;asciilifeform;and afaik cryptome never used shitflare.
1449483;1460234393;asciilifeform;;;later tell adlai holy shit did you really end up in an asylum ?
1449484;1460234393;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449485;1460234633;asciilifeform;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/hitler-did-nothing-wrong-mountain-dew.jpg << win
1449486;1460236093;shinohai;https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/clt/5531434102.html
1449487;1460237424;mircea_popescu;jurov doesn't seem to resolve to a cloudflare ip, but possible.
1449488;1460237433;mircea_popescu;tho if cryptome actually uses cloudflare... lol.
1449489;1460238496;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how d'you figure re adlai ?
1449490;1460239271;mircea_popescu;https://memegenerator.net/Y-U-So << wtf is this wonder ?
1449491;1460239510;BingoBoingo;Y U SO inquisitive?
1449492;1460239529;mircea_popescu;lol. but srsly, conn reset ? wut ?
1449493;1460241699;deedbot-;[Trilema] Eulora : Official April Auction, or A Story of Toils - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-april-auction-or-a-story-of-toils/
1449494;1460247905;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/vIb
1449495;1460248486;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo disregard msg above, this version has ref links: http://ix.io/vIc
1449496;1460248486;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449497;1460249330;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html
1449498;1460249330;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449499;1460249337;asciilifeform;^ not barnes but very useful
1449500;1460249623;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1449501;1460249632;deedbot-;[Qntra] More Sourceforge Fail - http://qntra.net/2016/04/more-sourceforge-fail/
1449502;1460249777;shinohai;thx for title, I always forget that.
1449503;1460249889;asciilifeform;shinohai et al : http://qntra.net/2016/04/more-sourceforge-fail/#comment-51370
1449504;1460249963;shinohai;The only reason I used it was for trb private key issues, and the last time I tried to add a key it borked the entire wallet.dat.
1449505;1460251155;phf;RUN MORE... oh wait now
1449506;1460251204;asciilifeform;run moar shit ya didn't read off whoreforge
1449507;1460251235;asciilifeform;(serving up infected exe since, when, 2010 ?)
1449508;1460251238;asciilifeform;at least.
1449509;1460251312;phf;mac version of torrent client i use was compromised couple of months ago, "oops we found a ransomware, we don't know how it got there"
1449510;1460251329;shinohai;You use transmission?
1449511;1460251329;asciilifeform;aha, 'transmission', famous
1449512;1460251343;*;shinohai prefers rtorrent
1449513;1460251343;phf;yes
1449514;1460251358;mircea_popescu;i don't get this, you installed it recently ?
1449515;1460251375;phf;well, no my version is like year old or so
1449516;1460251375;asciilifeform;folks who left 'autoupdate' on, got phucked
1449517;1460251394;mircea_popescu;folks who "leave autoupdate on" really weren't fucked enough.
1449518;1460251394;phf;nor do i have autoupdate on anything, obviously
1449519;1460251396;mircea_popescu;worst scum.
1449520;1460251420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider that the proggy ran on ~os~ with autoupdate.
1449521;1460251435;mircea_popescu;heh
1449522;1460251451;mircea_popescu;it exists for linux too, im sure.
1449523;1460251486;asciilifeform;https://www.transmissionbt.com << l0l! appears to!
1449524;1460251529;asciilifeform;http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2016/03/new-os-x-ransomware-keranger-infected-transmission-bittorrent-client-installer << linked from, even. pretty good dissection.
1449525;1460251575;asciilifeform;'As KeRanger encrypts each file (i.e. Test.docx) starts by creating an encrypted version that uses the .encrypted extension (i.e. Test.docx.encrypted.) To encrypt each file, KeRanger starts by generating a random number (RN) and encrypts the RN with the RSA key retrieved from the C2 server using the RSA algorithm. It then ....' << L0l!1111
1449526;1460251577;asciilifeform;srsly?!
1449527;1460251597;asciilifeform;'... encrypts the RN with the RSA key retrieved from the C2 server ...' << !!
1449528;1460251605;mircea_popescu;hey, same way gpg works.
1449529;1460251609;mircea_popescu;"symmetric key"
1449530;1460251609;phf;but i wouldn't necessarily think twice when provisioning new system. i ended up provisioning this imac entirely from things i found on backup drive. that's it, i'm airgapping up in this bitch
1449531;1460251657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know, not ~all~ malware artists are tards. some folks have embedded key.
1449532;1460251684;mircea_popescu;from your own link : the only other mac thing wasn't even working.
1449533;1460251691;asciilifeform;aha.
1449534;1460251694;asciilifeform;these are common, believe or not.
1449535;1460251701;asciilifeform;crapware that doesn't even run.
1449536;1460251715;mircea_popescu;ironically, this shit was signed with apple's whatever.
1449537;1460251722;asciilifeform;(in the old days this was unheard of, because the thing needed to propagate after all.)
1449538;1460251722;mircea_popescu;totally shooting the discussion re "trusted cpu".
1449539;1460251731;mircea_popescu;if fucking apple can't keep its key safe...
1449540;1460251734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: signed with apple's developer cert !
1449541;1460251740;asciilifeform;understand, this means that somebody cought up $100
1449542;1460251742;asciilifeform;i can do right now.
1449543;1460251745;asciilifeform;sign 10 times.
1449544;1460251752;asciilifeform;they get revoked at the drop of a hat.
1449545;1460251759;asciilifeform;just like microshit's driver signing certs.
1449546;1460251764;mircea_popescu;i don't see how any of this is a counter to what i said.
1449547;1460251774;asciilifeform;because this is not a precious master key
1449548;1460251775;mircea_popescu;yes, the "strong wall" will be breached by the owners themselves. of course.
1449549;1460251783;mircea_popescu;this is why the whole "security" shit dun work.
1449550;1460251785;asciilifeform;but something their coke machine dispenses when you stick in a benjie.
1449551;1460251789;mircea_popescu;not as drm, not as tpe, not as w/e.
1449552;1460251799;mircea_popescu;they want to live in a world of idiots. this means they can never be safe. full stop.
1449553;1460251808;asciilifeform;well the plebe-cert-signed shit doesn't get to turn ~all~ of the knobs
1449554;1460251814;asciilifeform;that's how the drm prison worx
1449555;1460251831;mircea_popescu;all the knobs that are must be ; and necessarily must be. the knobs that are not, are not ; and necessarily can't be.
1449556;1460251847;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1449557;1460251850;mircea_popescu;do you want to hear it in greek, also ?
1449558;1460251851;phf;meta-nsa has best keys of course
1449559;1460251884;asciilifeform;phf: meta-nsa relaxes and smokes in the corner, it doesn't need keys, sends magic udp
1449560;1460252073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: crapple app dev keys and microshit driver keys play roughly the same role in ecosystem as that cali hearing aid shop's ssl cert.
1449561;1460252103;asciilifeform;i.e. they get harvested by folks lookin' to do some infectin', and revoked immediately when the news break
1449562;1460252107;asciilifeform;cheap, disposable.
1449563;1460252118;asciilifeform;easy come, easy go
1449564;1460252121;mircea_popescu;i don't think you take the point, perhaps for lack of familiarity with anaximander.
1449565;1460252130;asciilifeform;let's have it
1449566;1460252132;mircea_popescu;in any case : the fiat world will never be secure, no matter what.
1449567;1460252149;asciilifeform;fiat world is exactly as secure as... the zoo.
1449568;1460252157;asciilifeform;yes, once in a while some critter escapes.
1449569;1460252163;asciilifeform;generally, they stay on the correct side of the bars.
1449570;1460252168;mircea_popescu;this is not so.
1449571;1460252186;mircea_popescu;a better model would be "a zoo where the humans are scored by how many times the animals have sex with them"
1449572;1460252230;asciilifeform;bit of a puzzler
1449573;1460252242;asciilifeform;(who is scored in an ordinary zoo, and how? i dun follow the analogy)
1449574;1460252250;mircea_popescu;the correct model, ie, the zoo, is right here. the republic is a zoo. outsiders are kept in cage.
1449575;1460252277;mircea_popescu;the fiat world is not such. yes, it has the choice to either become such, in which case we won, or else keep trying to pretend no child left behind. in which case we win. etc.
1449576;1460252300;mircea_popescu;in an ordinary zoo, humans are scored like in any other employment. by how often they come late, and other factors.
1449577;1460252317;asciilifeform;fiat world has, what, 400 yrs. of accumulated fat, with which it carries out caligulistic nonsenses like, yes, 'child left behind'
1449578;1460252324;mircea_popescu;mno.
1449579;1460252333;mircea_popescu;that is definitionally its identity.
1449580;1460252339;mircea_popescu;if it abandons that, it no longer substantively exists.
1449581;1460252362;asciilifeform;which is ?
1449582;1460252372;mircea_popescu;"no child left behind"
1449583;1460252436;asciilifeform;incidentally, and perhaps mircea_popescu does not know this, but even here in the heart of mordor this phrase is a comical byword for idiocy, like nixon's plumbers
1449584;1460252443;mircea_popescu;yep.
1449585;1460252455;mircea_popescu;so ?
1449586;1460252506;asciilifeform;but i definitely see how it handily encompasses the varied crimes of the egalitarian cult.
1449587;1460252527;mircea_popescu;what, and if 15 yo girlie "mocks" some dude in her english class that means she's not interested ?
1449588;1460252547;asciilifeform;no i get it.
1449589;1460252586;mircea_popescu;so yes, "walled garden". except it's not so walled as to prevent INEPT third worlder to "we are accept only bitcoin".
1449590;1460252593;asciilifeform;re earlier thread, here is an interesting example of strong cage - intel microcode
1449591;1460252600;mircea_popescu;the bar it poses is exactly that, ~100 bucks, ie fifteen minute's labour or w/e.
1449592;1460252609;asciilifeform;in 20 yrs of signed microcode patches, NOTHING leaked out, not only keys, but even the format of the payload.
1449593;1460252647;mircea_popescu;similarly, in 500 years of continued derpery, nobody bombed isfahan.
1449594;1460252649;asciilifeform;(key exists, legendarily, in 1 copy, in the castle of doom, etc.)
1449595;1460252656;mircea_popescu;i'm sure that'll do something for the future.
1449596;1460252680;mircea_popescu;but it says exactly nothing about the item being strong, it's all about the item being worthless.
1449597;1460252687;asciilifeform;i disagree.
1449598;1460252694;mircea_popescu;and on what basis ?
1449599;1460252733;asciilifeform;not only on the obvious basis of 'can add magic instruction' but 'will reveal magic instructions that have been added in 20 yrs of nsa-supplied patches'
1449600;1460252747;mircea_popescu;"isfahan could host the mother of the red heifer"
1449601;1460252749;mircea_popescu;this is no basis.
1449602;1460252792;mircea_popescu;basically, i've by now distilled the unifying, common principle of all our disagreements to date. it is as follows :
1449603;1460252843;mircea_popescu;you use engineering valuator, which defaults to 0 and respectively maxint in certain edge cases. this comes into conflict with known floors and ceilings established through political, generally, but occasionally economical valuations.
1449604;1460252926;asciilifeform;iirc i once did explain that my mental model of the enemy is myself with a negative sign.
1449605;1460252955;asciilifeform;and i see this as proper, because scheming against a ~stupid~ enemy is largely a waste of time, because how to know ~exactly how stupid~ he is ?
1449606;1460252965;mircea_popescu;not a matter of stupid.
1449607;1460252988;asciilifeform;so the correct thing to do is to picture enemy who has thought of ~at least~ everything you can think of.
1449608;1460253000;mircea_popescu;and in any case, scheming against an enemy modelled on the basis of yourself is rather silly, seeing how if you are so similar you shouldn't be enemies in the first place.
1449609;1460253020;asciilifeform;not how it works
1449610;1460253026;asciilifeform;different colour uniforms --> enemies.
1449611;1460253032;asciilifeform;or, he has a pie, and i do not, enemies.
1449612;1460253071;mircea_popescu;i dun follow.
1449613;1460253077;asciilifeform;and in all cases the most similar creatures are the ones that must fight
1449614;1460253084;mircea_popescu;certainly not so.
1449615;1460253092;*;asciilifeform brb, phood
1449616;1460254164;*;asciilifeform back
1449617;1460254247;asciilifeform;re the microcode thing, i can picture mircea_popescu going on a bank heist, and, coming up against a massive safe, 'let's not bother with the dynamite, fellas, this thing surely is full of used condoms'
1449618;1460254273;asciilifeform;the intel turds are ciphered and signed for a reason.
1449619;1460254290;asciilifeform;(a reason that was in place as early as '97)
1449620;1460254322;asciilifeform;while it is ~conceivable~ that any particular heavy safe is filled to the brim with used condoms,
1449621;1460254332;asciilifeform;generally it is not why safes exist upon satan's green earth.
1449622;1460254354;mircea_popescu;depends who owns the safe.
1449623;1460254377;mircea_popescu;i don't let the enemy inform my decisions by his behaviour this explicitly. you ever read the fox and bear fable ?
1449624;1460254450;asciilifeform;aha?
1449625;1460254474;mircea_popescu;how'd they say in russian, "trage, trage ca de radacina tragi"
1449626;1460254501;asciilifeform;waiwut
1449627;1460254539;mircea_popescu;ah so then dunno it ? this one : http://www.neamt.ro/cmj/Creanga/Ursul_pacalit.html
1449628;1460254545;mircea_popescu;ie how the bear lost its tail.
1449629;1460254558;asciilifeform;ah i was thinking of aesop's
1449630;1460254567;mircea_popescu;story in brief :
1449631;1460254596;mircea_popescu;fox wakes up to the sound of peasant driving very heavy cart full of fishes from the lake. climbs in quietly, and while on its back pushes fishes off the cart with feet. then collects it up and goes home.
1449632;1460254611;mircea_popescu;on way home, bear, who at the time had splendid tail, nicer than fox', asks where she got all the fishes.
1449633;1460254622;mircea_popescu;fox explains that you go to lake, put tail in water, pull out full of fishes.
1449634;1460254641;asciilifeform;ah yes i recall this!
1449635;1460254643;mircea_popescu;bear believes, proceeds. overnight the lake freezes, with his tail inside, as he pulls he thinks there's lots of fishes. breaks tail off.
1449636;1460254669;mircea_popescu;seeks out fox in a rage, fox runs into a tree hole. bear can't get in, grabs a hooked branch, tries to get fox
1449637;1460254682;mircea_popescu;whenever he catches on fox, fox cries out in joy "pull, pull, you're pulling on a root"
1449638;1460254694;mircea_popescu;whenever he catches on root, fox goes "o noes, stop with the pulling you're killing me"
1449639;1460254709;mircea_popescu;si asa a ramas ursul pacalit de vulpe [and so the bear was left tricked by the fox]
1449640;1460254735;asciilifeform;we definitely had this tale.
1449641;1460254760;mircea_popescu;so how do you say the "pull, pull" bit ?
1449642;1460255005;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5rMKHLV6Hk << variation on this theme. with ~wolf~ instead of bear, and a number of other tweaks.
1449643;1460255049;asciilifeform;мерзни, мерзни, волчий хвост !
1449644;1460255057;asciilifeform;^ iconic phrase known to every kid
1449645;1460255063;asciilifeform;'freeze, freeze, wolf's tail!111'
1449646;1460255120;phf;:D
1449647;1460255304;mircea_popescu;lol
1449648;1460255316;mircea_popescu;kinda weird tho, as wolf has tail.
1449649;1460255334;asciilifeform;he was supposed to have had ~moar tail~ !111
1449650;1460255350;mircea_popescu;lolk
1449651;1460255554;mircea_popescu;but wolf eats fish ?
1449652;1460255572;asciilifeform;this one does!11
1449653;1460255583;asciilifeform;or ~would~ if he could catch!
1449654;1460255635;mircea_popescu;$up joecool
1449655;1460255642;deedbot;joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
1449656;1460255643;mircea_popescu;you can self-up cantcha ?
1449657;1460255662;joecool;mircea_popescu: deedbot functions same as assbot did?
1449658;1460255671;joecool;$up
1449659;1460255672;mircea_popescu;yeah, pm it $up and then $v the otp
1449660;1460255704;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/970c80d3-80fe-4751-8037-328901bf4f95/
1449661;1460255867;joecool;I see, thank you
1449662;1460255892;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1449663;1460256315;mircea_popescu;hey phf, can i get you to log into eulora for an hour ? i need a noob to do a bouq click to see what comes out.
1449664;1460256627;phf;i don't have a eulora build on this machine
1449665;1460256635;mircea_popescu;k.
1449666;1460256661;mircea_popescu;the damndest thing, the people who play it aren't noobs, and the noobs don't play it :D
1449667;1460256669;mircea_popescu;who the fuck could have predicted.
1449668;1460264121;deedbot-;[Trilema] Calidad de Vida, or My Days Among The Cargo Cult. - http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/
1449669;1460265176;phf;эх бросить всё и уехать в аргентину
1449670;1460265178;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmFu-_54fI
1449671;1460265672;mircea_popescu;heh
1449672;1460265730;mircea_popescu;punkman yeah ; too bad weaponry is moving from kinetic to fuel bomb.
1449673;1460266248;punkman;mircea_popescu: you mean the ones that ignite the oxygen around the target?
1449674;1460266340;mircea_popescu;all sorts, but yeah.
1449675;1460266395;mircea_popescu;basically the problem is, that structured armor will resist 100kj in kinetic attack and melt like chocolate under 5kj of thermic attack.
1449676;1460266402;mircea_popescu;and there's no structural defense to that.
1449677;1460266462;mircea_popescu;hence the thermobaric weapon
1449678;1460266640;punkman;"The armour is a composite sandwich, with boron carbide on the front face (a hard ceramic), followed by the metal foam, and either aluminium or kevlar on the rear face. The metal foam is made of 2mm-diameter hollow steel spheres in a stainless steel matrix." sounds expensive
1449679;1460269601;mircea_popescu;oya
1449680;1460272984;mircea_popescu;;;later tell diana_coman http://dpaste.com/1M6CPT3
1449681;1460272984;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449682;1460272997;mircea_popescu;in which the later tell service beats email.
1449683;1460273027;mircea_popescu;might consider implementing something like that trinque just in case gribble dies one day or something.
1449684;1460286688;punkman;http://yifan.lu/2016/04/06/the-3ds-cryptosystem/
1449685;1460293421;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449684 << site is down ?
1449686;1460293589;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449672 << of ferfuxxsake, 'First - you pillage, Then - you burn!' - didn't they teach this in your viking school!?
1449687;1460293643;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu dig his garden with shovel, or with trotyl?
1449688;1460293744;asciilifeform;why did american army in vietnam, which had thermobaric bomb in abundance (invented it, in practice) continue to use legions of grunts with ordinary rifles?
1449689;1460293935;jurov;asciilifeform: yifan.lu was overran by hn
1449690;1460293965;asciilifeform;any idea why?
1449691;1460294005;jurov;how do you mean, why? it was just slashdotted
1449692;1460294026;asciilifeform;what the linked item was
1449693;1460294055;adlai;asciilifeform: 'asylum' of some sort, yes. it's quite a story! too long for logs, saving for the blog.
1449694;1460294092;asciilifeform;adlai: finally out, i take it? escaped?
1449695;1460294117;adlai;fun fact: if you 'hack' off your location broadcasting wristband, you're gonna forget it in your pocket when you leave, and have a Bad Time.
1449696;1460294129;jurov;asciilifeform: looking at google cache, it's about cracking nintendo 3ds
1449697;1460294141;asciilifeform;adlai: lulz
1449698;1460294146;adlai;asciilifeform: "I'm gonna walk right out the front door" (tm)
1449699;1460294158;adlai;;;later tell mircea_popescu submission for trilema movie reviews: Inside Man
1449700;1460294158;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449701;1460294231;asciilifeform;jurov: ty for summary, now i can snore again, i never did and never will give a flying fuck re game consoles
1449702;1460294370;asciilifeform;srsly the original drm chumpers, buying, believe, ~whole computer~ built solely to make copying the gamez harder!
1449703;1460294501;asciilifeform;admittedly i find some of he '80s-'90s game machines interesting from a systems perspective, they had minimalistic iron and ran 'os-less' long into the era when x86 languished under microshit
1449704;1460294529;adlai;phf, trinque: either/both of y'all may be interested in https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/commit/019c10d (specific patch, rest of repo is relevant only to archaeologists)
1449705;1460294548;asciilifeform;but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose
1449706;1460298101;BingoBoingo;Nintendotron might be interesting to cannabalize for hardware walletotron, if only for its incredibly common plastic case.
1449707;1460298135;*;shinohai would love to put trb on a gameboy one day
1449708;1460298427;deedbot-;[Qntra] FBI Director Comey Admits To Taping Over Webcam After Speech - http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-director-comey-admits-to-taping-over-webcam-after-speech/
1449709;1460298487;jurov;BingoBoingo: did you read tfa?
1449710;1460298544;jurov;they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way.
1449711;1460298805;jurov;phf just an idea: if someone comes up with a completely new (or very rare) word like the w-tron above, use it to link to previous convo?
1449712;1460298876;jurov;and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon
1449713;1460299114;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449707 << z80 had 64k addr space...
1449714;1460299193;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449706 << no rng
1449715;1460299252;asciilifeform;and why is the plastic case useful, i dun get it
1449716;1460299963;BingoBoingo; they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way. << I really don't mean keeping much in the way of hardware. Just a plastic case that arouses a wildly different kind of suspicion.
1449717;1460299979;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116959
1449718;1460299980;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449719;1460300005;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you're playing physical camo games, why not hide the thing in old vase. in garden. up arse. etc
1449720;1460300024;BingoBoingo;Well there's that.
1449721;1460300137;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ?
1449722;1460300137;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449723;1460300164;asciilifeform;('last' oughta be 'magic' and point ALWAYS to the last line at any given moment)
1449724;1460300303;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449684 << finally read this. i suppose this is not a bad time to remind folks of the 'arm' cpu being a lothesome piece of shit that i have 0 desire to use for anything if it can be avoided
1449725;1460300317;asciilifeform;(it is heavily unoptimized for human consumption and arm asm is a bitch to audit)
1449726;1460300356;asciilifeform;srsly the idiot archs always seem to win.
1449727;1460300387;BingoBoingo;Well, idiot arch encourages you to tape over your webcam as an act of resignation.
1449728;1460300390;asciilifeform;and i do not believe this to be in any reasonable sense a work of chance.
1449729;1460300418;asciilifeform;idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically.
1449730;1460300443;asciilifeform;arm is ~blessed~ by hitler, much as x86 was.
1449731;1460300458;asciilifeform;and as such, must die (tm).
1449732;1460300498;asciilifeform;and yes, i ported trb to arm. as wartime wunderwaffen (which went nowhere.)
1449733;1460300513;asciilifeform;if we turn up a bucket of cheap crays somewhere, i will port it to cray..
1449734;1460300600;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at a comp sec convention 'shmoocon' they handed out, among other souvenirs, little plastic sliding shutters for webcams
1449735;1460300622;asciilifeform;pretty useless, most afflicted laptops won't properly close with the thing in
1449736;1460300842;asciilifeform;for the record, web cam shutters are lame
1449737;1460300852;asciilifeform;if you're pwned, you're pwned, shutter or no shutter
1449738;1460300886;asciilifeform;~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse !
1449739;1460300899;asciilifeform;folks post these, believe, voluntarily!
1449740;1460300972;asciilifeform;microphone, i can see.
1449741;1460300974;asciilifeform;but camera ?
1449742;1460301026;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/naturalcauses/
1449743;1460302631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some - with shovel ; other - with trotyl. yet another - with garden!
1449744;1460302637;mircea_popescu;adlai aite.
1449745;1460303041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what grunts what rifles. they "use" "mercenaries" who use them instead.
1449746;1460303132;asciilifeform;what mercenaries in vietnam ??
1449747;1460303139;mircea_popescu;anyway, so i suppose in the "blogs that must be", we have "adlai - views from inside the insane asylum" and "phf - they have philosophy in russia even!"
1449748;1460303172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose << makes two^H^H^H all of us.
1449749;1460303186;mircea_popescu;wasn't vietnam right during arab fuel crisis ? :D
1449750;1460303209;asciilifeform;the surrender, was!
1449751;1460303226;asciilifeform;mega-coincidence, aha.
1449752;1460303346;mircea_popescu;jurov> and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon << this is actually not a bad idea. something like "every word that appears exaclty once before shall be linked to that instance. every word that appears only in linked references produced by the foregoing gets linked to the previous instance."
1449753;1460303359;mircea_popescu;on the theory that by now most common words appear more than once in the half gb log or w/e it is.
1449754;1460303377;asciilifeform;i suspect that almost all cases will be misspellings
1449755;1460303382;mircea_popescu;might need a little manual adding/substracting because obv some keywords also appear more than once, and in the future there may be false positives, but in general...
1449756;1460303423;mircea_popescu;maybe add a "a111 nuke misppealing" command for a111
1449757;1460303439;mircea_popescu;which removes "misppealing" from the list
1449758;1460303463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer't your comment btw
1449759;1460303502;mircea_popescu;also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
1449760;1460303507;asciilifeform;^
1449761;1460303507;phf;or perhaps just term foo or whatever command
1449762;1460303531;phf;mircea_popescu: can i get autovoice for a111?
1449763;1460303538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically. << they do. this is the most fascinating thing : how incredibly cultish idiocy actually is.
1449764;1460303550;mircea_popescu;basically cults are an attempt to emulate idiocy in higher functioning intellects.
1449765;1460303570;mircea_popescu;the reason it actually delivers useful work is specifically that idiot behaviours, as unthinking as they may be, are actually adaptive.
1449766;1460303589;mircea_popescu;and a functioning console still does more work than a "correct" computer with nonfunctioning gentoo on it.
1449767;1460303619;mircea_popescu;("what do you mean it doesn't function ? yeah i didn't do anything useful with it since june last year, but I FUCKED WITH IT SIX HOURS EACH DAY SINCE!!11". )
1449768;1460303632;mircea_popescu;phf alrighty.
1449769;1460303651;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116961 << answrd
1449770;1460303686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread
1449771;1460303692;asciilifeform;and the teenager -ev thread
1449772;1460303700;mircea_popescu;right ? where was that,
1449773;1460303715;asciilifeform;thinking folks have chronic problems with forming spartan 'testudo'
1449774;1460303756;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#footnote_4_55254 << thar.
1449775;1460303759;phf;i have a reverse osmosis machine that i carry from apartment to apartment, i then drill holes in granite countertops and such. still waiting for somebody to deduct the holes out of my security deposit..
1449776;1460303857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it has ~nothing with thinking folks. i have seen this personally. the avenue is as such : thinking children are deliberately and ellaborately castrated by certain societies to become socially inept. the first thing that goes when socially inept is allaloisi menontes, as in http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/#selection-77.26-77.44
1449777;1460303895;mircea_popescu;this is an exact mirror of how a different but overlapping set of societies deliberately and elaborately belames pretty girls to think "they can't do math".
1449778;1460303917;mircea_popescu;it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
1449779;1460303933;asciilifeform;the first thing that goes when socially inept is allaloisi menontes << elaborate ?
1449780;1460303945;mircea_popescu;so no, an inability to have friends is in no way related with intelligence in males ; just like an inability to add is not related to symmetrical facial features in females.
1449781;1460303951;mircea_popescu;read teh link!
1449782;1460303973;mircea_popescu;phf why would they ?
1449783;1460304007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my gr is weak
1449784;1460304092;mircea_popescu;o neoi, alla machesthe par allaloisi menontes, o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield
1449785;1460304100;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449759
1449786;1460304100;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 15:51 mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
1449787;1460304106;mircea_popescu;win phf ty.
1449788;1460304126;asciilifeform;neato!
1449789;1460304152;mircea_popescu;check me out, i actually made a proper fucking english verse to translate greek!
1449790;1460304179;mircea_popescu;better than i managed in ro, ftm.
1449791;1460304190;mircea_popescu;helleniki to ro is a fucking nightmare of ages, nothing works right. NOTHING!
1449792;1460304224;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how is 'tara, tara, vrem ostasi' played ?
1449793;1460304268;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjQJIqf3xPI
1449794;1460304397;mircea_popescu;and ftr, just in case the kratos = power mind is strong and the verse reads "o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to the enemy]", it is not. it is mide fygis aischris archete mide fovou, ""o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to panic and a coward's flight]
1449795;1460304404;mircea_popescu;kratos = endurance.
1449796;1460304420;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtemWv_5cc&nohtml5=False << oblig re phalanx
1449797;1460304435;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449721 << http://btcbase.org/log-last-entry
1449798;1460304435;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 14:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ?
1449799;1460304513;asciilifeform;phf: no good. it turns into a specific date
1449800;1460304521;asciilifeform;gotta stay http://btcbase.org/log-last-entry
1449801;1460304539;phf;oh you mean so you can keep refreshing it?
1449802;1460304542;asciilifeform;aha.
1449803;1460304552;mircea_popescu;"why would anyone want this" re deedbot $up
1449804;1460304553;mircea_popescu;lol.
1449805;1460304571;phf;asciilifeform: wooord, ok
1449806;1460304575;asciilifeform;ty phf
1449807;1460304662;phf;asciilifeform: in a vaguely related note the way i've been reading is to click on the entry that i read last (whether it's last line or wherever in the logs) and then do refresh, which extends the log to new state, but keeps my context, something worth trying
1449808;1460304681;asciilifeform;phf: difficult on pNohe etc
1449809;1460304707;mircea_popescu;phf same here.
1449810;1460304714;asciilifeform;generally i don't even ~use~ the www logz when on an actual computer
1449811;1460304725;asciilifeform;(why? when i have the whole thing scrolling into eternity)
1449812;1460304738;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, on phone, you click on nick to get a link for entry
1449813;1460304868;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many peeps haven't ever loaded teh logs on a phone.
1449814;1460304896;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly most? my understanding is that 'pNohe' is a usaschwitz/workingclass thing
1449815;1460304925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> ~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse ! << this is the case for about half the humans i physically interact with. think about that.
1449816;1460304928;asciilifeform;133337 d000dz on dirigibles are never far from their cockpit, dun need no stinking pocket comp
1449817;1460304953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wut, weren't you the one with 'woman isn't even a woman unless her arse is posted on www'
1449818;1460304954;*;mircea_popescu struts
1449819;1460304970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how does that preclude "most valuable" ?
1449820;1460305011;asciilifeform;does a leaked pr0n subtract, or add to, the value of future pics of same chick?
1449821;1460305024;asciilifeform;afaik it appears to be the latter ?
1449822;1460305054;mircea_popescu;i guess it all depends, neh ?
1449823;1460305059;asciilifeform;on what ?
1449824;1460305066;mircea_popescu;i have nfi!
1449825;1460305078;shinohai;https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-the-Owncloud-encryption-module.html <<< run own cloud, get rekt
1449826;1460305087;mircea_popescu;but the fact remains that if anything's gonna be damaging, it'll be that and naught else./
1449827;1460305098;mircea_popescu;lol "get rekt". nb.
1449828;1460305197;asciilifeform;'I created a proof of concept of this attack. This isn't enough to launch a real attack, because an attacker only has 16 bytes of DOS assembler code, which is very little. For a real attack ... ' << l0l! fella apparently doesn't know that microshit PE format has a (i shit thee not) ~dedicated field~ for 'load exe from url and execute'
1449829;1460305201;asciilifeform;iirc handily will fit in 16 bts.
1449830;1460305232;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1449831;1460307917;punkman;http://qz.com/656104/a-fleet-of-trucks-just-drove-themselves-across-europe/
1449832;1460311169;mircea_popescu;iirc was in teh logs even
1449833;1460311631;ben_vulpes;shinohai: owncloud is a miserable piece of garbage
1449834;1460311661;shinohai;agreed, that's why I lol'd
1449835;1460311674;ben_vulpes;i started reading through it a year and a half ago when i committed to excising appleware from the house
1449836;1460311697;ben_vulpes;waybad.
1449837;1460311720;shinohai;Someone offered me a few bits to install it on a server for them and I declined.
1449838;1460311729;shinohai;Just couldn't bring myself to do it.
1449839;1460311810;ben_vulpes;http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html << no spark?
1449840;1460316257;mircea_popescu;and speaking of bare metal, http://36.media.tumblr.com/5c2f32d91b4b5251aa6dccc1129a0a40/tumblr_n4x2jwMZOz1sl8rhho1_1280.jpg
1449841;1460318014;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu happy sov liberation of odessa day!111 l0lz
1449842;1460318014;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1449843;1460318079;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449839 << spark matured in ada2012
1449844;1460318079;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 18:10 ben_vulpes: http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html << no spark?
1449845;1460318152;ben_vulpes;i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
1449846;1460318206;ben_vulpes;(phf: mega thanks for the inline loggurgitation)
1449847;1460319307;mircea_popescu;lol ty ty
1449848;1460319421;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes put teh hard time into words.
1449849;1460319488;ben_vulpes;simply a radical departure from surface-level form!
1449850;1460325131;ben_vulpes;https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
1449851;1460325149;ben_vulpes;another footnote to asciilifeform's trope about how little software is written off-the-clock
1449852;1460325217;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801402 << entirely unrelated, but fun/sad to see.
1449853;1460325217;a111;Logged on 2014-08-20 00:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg/800px-Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg now this has got to be in the game.
1449854;1460325243;ben_vulpes;more like 16.5M, apparently.
1449855;1460325255;danielpbarron;incidently, that ~is~ in game..
1449856;1460325294;ben_vulpes;well yes!
1449857;1460325358;*;ben_vulpes never entirely certain how much context to provide
1449858;1460325419;ben_vulpes;also, still waiting for tiberius to make it into btcbase
1449859;1460325425;ben_vulpes;now *those* were some choice luz.
1449860;1460326132;shinohai;$rate phf 1 Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
1449861;1460326154;shinohai;(-_-)
1449862;1460326208;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b431186d-b9b6-4f9d-a9f4-a45c1728c2e1/
1449863;1460326261;shinohai;$v 20DA8B51130031914FEB9795A6333013EBACE57B4E8B3BBBEC0206263CA918DA
1449864;1460326282;deedbot;shinohai rated phf 1 << Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
1449865;1460326460;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] Scripting the web - http://explo.yt/post/2016/04/10/Scripting-the-web
1449866;1460327196;phf;ben_vulpes: tiberius is ancient logs?
1449867;1460327289;jurov;phf, yes
1449868;1460327454;phf;oh damn that's a lot of log
1449869;1460327729;mircea_popescu;i keep getting pms from randos who got banned in b-a.
1449870;1460327761;mircea_popescu;too lazy to answer, something lik... dawg, if you're too lazy to know what's going on you prolly belong banned anyway.
1449871;1460327784;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: which nicks?
1449872;1460327791;ben_vulpes;not that nicks mean anything i know i know
1449873;1460327814;mircea_popescu;i opted not to name already, so w/e, no importanto.
1449874;1460327927;mircea_popescu;howling shit, jurov is handling his blog comment spam via www:mechanize and browser sessions ?!
1449875;1460327993;asciilifeform;l0l! ninjashitgun show up yet?
1449876;1460328044;mircea_popescu;i wonder what'd happen if we crossed in a thousand agars a thousand cascadianhacker blogs with a thousand explo.yt blogs.
1449877;1460328092;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449845 << trb is pretty recent too
1449878;1460328092;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 19:55 ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
1449879;1460328157;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449850 << i am reading the link and cannot at all tell wtf the co did..!
1449880;1460328157;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 21:52 ben_vulpes: https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
1449881;1460328198;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes heh yeah she put it in there actually. pretty cool.
1449882;1460328215;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ca. 2010 attempt at deep learning for content recommendation
1449883;1460328224;ben_vulpes;afaict
1449884;1460328236;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: trb is also a millstone, not a mill.
1449885;1460328254;asciilifeform;we dun have a mill.
1449886;1460328303;ben_vulpes;http://www.antiqbuyer.com/images/2012-ARCHIVE-2/IMG_3663.jpg << how about a shitty lathe?
1449887;1460328333;ben_vulpes;ada's not a decent mill?
1449888;1460328378;asciilifeform;cannot yet say.
1449889;1460328407;asciilifeform;but i know that the ~other~ available systems are not.
1449890;1460328416;ben_vulpes;mhm
1449891;1460328444;asciilifeform;still hoping that i overlooked something.
1449892;1460328690;asciilifeform;i'm mostly convinced at this point that any serious attempt at sanity will be a similar enough thing to ada that it will trigger all of the same allergies in same folks.
1449893;1460328731;phf;oberon, etc.
1449894;1460328795;asciilifeform;(the bitter taste may not even be a bug, but a feature.. - repels teenagers, trendoids, 10,001 species of pond scum)
1449895;1460328804;asciilifeform;phf: quite
1449896;1460331173;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449848 << number blindness is the first symptom of insanity, followed closely by name-blindness; subsequently, total loss of all five humors
1449897;1460331173;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 20:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes put teh hard time into words.
1449898;1460331197;adlai;$rate phf 2 blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
1449899;1460331201;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e44be97c-cedd-41fb-bed0-b954b6546de6/
1449900;1460331270;jurov;there's lisp bitcoind?
1449901;1460331318;adlai;$v DC0142B2DAA4586E0064273D20201B533A7211E182D63E039B64E54AAA307FE2
1449902;1460331318;deedbot;adlai rated phf 2 << blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
1449903;1460331336;adlai;jurov: what else did you think S.LIMBS was about anyways
1449904;1460331384;jurov;about limbs, haven't you seen their poster?
1449905;1460331402;adlai;bitch, i am the one who posts
1449906;1460331416;*;adlai goes back to work
1449907;1460331471;jurov;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/serious-ipo-srsly.jpg << for newbs, this is s.limbs
1449908;1460331726;*;adlai will open a coinbr account when s.limbs delivers ipo
1449909;1460331824;jurov;Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory !!1
1449910;1460332988;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1449911;1460332999;mircea_popescu;omfg i had forgotten that one. fresh round of lolz.
1449912;1460333013;mircea_popescu;$rate alikim 1 Euloran
1449913;1460333035;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5254b1a7-a379-465a-bc65-f12b2bf3c972/
1449914;1460333074;mircea_popescu;$v E487E049EC795726B2F69B2D7A300FB0D7CD3C8ECCD5862FECD89D672A7A2207
1449915;1460333075;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated alikim 1 << Euloran
1449916;1460334018;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1431060.0 <<< more RNG lolz
1449917;1460339049;phf;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/02/meet-the-bughunters-the-hackers-in-india-protecting-your-facebook-profile is here to produce an angry twitch in alf
1449918;1460341311;asciilifeform;waiwut
1449919;1460341572;mod6;took a chance on that bare metal img. nb!
1449920;1460341667;mod6;asciilifeform: are you lookin for a wfh job then or what's the deal there?
1449921;1460341943;adlai;shinohai: the lolz are that people generate keys using computers out of their physical control... or even, using computers at all
1449922;1460342833;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1449923;1460342839;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 420.17, vol: 1895.73758737 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 417.0, vol: 3405.82866 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 421.11, vol: 4364.84374939 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.99, vol: 0.1178381 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 422.182488, vol: 17785.12640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.93, vol: 1757.34604586 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.271796, vol: 5.68299697 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1449924;1460342841;BingoBoingo;;;more
1449925;1460342842;gribble;421.212750332
1449926;1460343215;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449920 << aha
1449927;1460343215;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 02:27 mod6: asciilifeform: are you lookin for a wfh job then or what's the deal there?
1449928;1460343244;phf;asciilifeform: it was funny in my head. something about who needs reversing skills, when you can do brute force fuzzing by indian and become a millionaire (in rupis)
1449929;1460343405;*;adlai is listening to: Metallica - The Memory Remains (4:43)
1449930;1460343432;adlai;(highly relevant lyrics)
1449931;1460343533;deedbot-;[Qntra] 3D Printed Objects Are A New Frontier For Enterprising Pirates Thanks To Reverse Engineering From Audio - http://qntra.net/2016/04/3d-printed-objects-are-a-new-frontier-for-enterprising-pirates-thanks-to-reverse-engineering-from-audio/
1449932;1460343624;*;adlai dies laughing
1449933;1460343657;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1449934;1460343661;gribble;Current Blocks: 406726 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 505 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1449935;1460343675;adlai;at least satoshi is keeping the price appropriate
1449936;1460343795;phf;now need to record the printing of http://www.amandaghassaei.com/projects/3D_printed_record/
1449937;1460343971;BingoBoingo;phf: I'm pretty sure if someone attempts that an avatar of physics becomes incarnate, personally finds the person doing that and delivers a swift kick in the crotch.
1449938;1460344608;adlai;BingoBoingo: how about that btc diff adjustment beat, is it still open?
1449939;1460344612;*;adlai likes wfh yobs
1449940;1460344818;phf;BingoBoingo: there's a su science finction novel, "a billion years before the end of the world", where an astrophysicist on a verge of discovery is plagued with random events that disrupt his work. so after some trials and tribulations he and his friends realize that universe exists in a sort of entropic equilibrium that creates an active counter balance to rational intervention
1449941;1460344834;phf;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitely_Maybe_(novel)
1449942;1460344861;*;adlai queues that for the qntra sparknotes column
1449943;1460346042;mod6;asciilifeform: ya, cool. i need one too - I miss wfh everyday. hard commuting every damn day.
1449944;1460346073;adlai;mod6: protip: next time you're interviewing, mention that commutes are a dealbreaker.
1449945;1460346125;mod6;i've got it figured out dude.
1449946;1460346148;mod6;in oct the place i was at which was wfh pretty much 90% of the time went under. found a life-raft at the current place.
1449947;1460346158;mod6;but, only 5% wfh basically.
1449948;1460346206;mod6;anyway, yeah, need to find new wfh gig
1449949;1460347107;asciilifeform;adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449944 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449417
1449950;1460347107;a111;Logged on 2016-04-09 16:14 asciilifeform ON A MOTHERFUKING SATURDAY yet ANOTHER phone interview with folks who ~lied~ in advertisement re telecommute
1449951;1460347107;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 03:41 adlai: mod6: protip: next time you're interviewing, mention that commutes are a dealbreaker.
1449952;1460347194;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/04/3d-printed-objects-are-a-new-frontier-for-enterprising-pirates-thanks-to-reverse-engineering-from-audio/#comment-51827
1449953;1460347219;punkman;a lot of it is from the fucking recruiters spamming everywhere with imagined job descriptions
1449954;1460347266;punkman;/me looks for telecommuting jobs once in a while
1449955;1460347341;asciilifeform;at this point i would do pretty much anything so long as it pays the bills and is 100% tele
1449956;1460347371;asciilifeform;but this is so far not entirely different from 'need unicorn that is precisely 11 ft tall'
1449957;1460347725;punkman;dunno, lower bills definitely make it easier
1449958;1460347854;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: how about that btc diff adjustment beat, is it still open? << yes, if you can submit them in a timely manner
1449959;1460348129;gernika;asciilifeform: I have telecommuted since 2013 - mostly for friends doing work that tends to trigger teeth kicking behavior, however.
1449960;1460348166;gernika;that said, I no longer have to put up with the absurdity of doing that same work in an open office.
1449961;1460348216;gernika;or commuting to do it in such a hellspace
1449962;1460348229;asciilifeform;what's an 'open office'
1449963;1460348246;punkman;my longest 9-5 was 2 months. and it was actually 9-3. :P
1449964;1460348278;gernika;no cubes even - just tables in medium sized rooms, sometimes staring cooworkers in the face the entire day.
1449965;1460348289;asciilifeform;srsly this exists ?
1449966;1460348293;punkman;yeah
1449967;1460348295;asciilifeform;sounds like 19th c. sweatshop
1449968;1460348305;mats;lol
1449969;1460348308;*;asciilifeform never set foot in such a thing
1449970;1460348311;gernika;this is to work in san francisco
1449971;1460348329;asciilifeform;i've also never set foot in san francisco
1449972;1460348332;asciilifeform;and not sure i want to
1449973;1460348368;gernika;I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
1449974;1460348405;asciilifeform;i turned down a bunch of work from that city
1449975;1460348412;phf;what? san francisco is awesome, it's just it was ruined by the tech scene
1449976;1460348415;asciilifeform;for a while my phone rang and rang with it
1449977;1460348444;asciilifeform;but i dun need a flat in a motherfucking tower with no dishwasher for 5k/mo, for anything.
1449978;1460348449;gernika;aha phf I meant I wouldn't recommend working in san francisco
1449979;1460348456;phf;ah word
1449980;1460348622;asciilifeform;see also orwell's proverbial 'During the boom years, when dollars were plentiful and the exchange-value of the franc was low, Paris was invaded by such a swarm of artists, writers, students, dilettanti, sight-seers, debauchees, and plain idlers as the world has probably never seen. In some quarters of the town the so-called artists must actually have outnumbered the working population — indeed, it has been reckoned that in the late
1449981;1460348622;asciilifeform; twenties there were as many as 30,000 painters in Paris, most of them impostors. The populace had grown so hardened to artists that gruff-voiced lesbians in corduroy breeches and young men in Grecian or medieval costume could walk the streets without attracting a glance, and along the Seine banks Notre Dame it was almost impossible to pick one's way between the sketching-stools. It was the age of dark horses and neglected genii; the
1449982;1460348623;asciilifeform; phrase on everybody's lips was 'Quand je serai lancé'. As it turned out, nobody was 'lancé', the slump descended like another Ice Age, the cosmopolitan mob of artists vanished, and the huge Montparnasse cafés which only ten years ago were filled till the small hours by hordes of shrieking poseurs have turned into darkened tombs in which there are not even any ghosts.'
1449983;1460348630;asciilifeform;^ re san fran.
1449984;1460348807;gernika;I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter.
1449985;1460348978;asciilifeform;gernika: aha, precisely orwell's shrieking poseurs.
1449986;1460349094;adlai;asciilifeform: as i just said (to my dad!), "every time i open my mouth, i add-a-lie to the world"
1449987;1460349114;asciilifeform;l0l
1449988;1460349115;*;adlai is a two-syllable name, and caused himself great suffering to utter that joke out loud
1449989;1460349205;adlai;BingoBoingo: awesome. timeliness is not the problem, but rather... https://youtu.be/LqQlCOmXuHM?t=55s
1449990;1460349695;adlai;gernika: that's just how autodesk was, but it was a pretty cool office. i'd probably kill a family member (no-nuke-o) to work there again.
1449991;1460349717;adlai;too bad i'm such a liar!
1449992;1460349725;adlai;$down adlai
1449993;1460349798;adlai;fiiiinally damn robot does something right.
1449994;1460349806;adlai;$down adlai
1449995;1460349830;ben_vulpes;no kicks this time tho
1449996;1460349846;ben_vulpes;but hey, enough like home that the memory should fade one day
1449997;1460350026;*;adlai tries calculating how much tighter to wind the five remaining strings to compensate for the snapped e
1449998;1460350034;adlai;or am i doing it rong
1449999;1460350040;phf;there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh
1450000;1460350096;ben_vulpes;at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
1450001;1460350135;adlai;sounds like a microchip,of the square millipede persuasion
1450002;1460350171;ben_vulpes;benefits: a) privacy. only the desk next to a given desk can really see what's on the screen. b) gotta be intentional about conversations, look around the monitors at each other.
1450003;1460350216;ben_vulpes;can't afford individual cubes for everyone, 'tis the best design we came up with.
1450004;1460350463;phf;there's a difference between "when we rich we get individual offices" and "we all scream together in a giant room, because we're happening right now"
1450005;1460350532;*;adlai suddenly satoris republican humor as well! thx phf
1450006;1460350594;adlai;bbl
1450007;1460351296;ben_vulpes;no screaming in the office, generally save that for the hill
1450008;1460351352;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: will no doubt show up later and "young fool that sounds like the most miserable thing", and yes. we are young fools.
1450009;1460353665;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot.
1450010;1460353665;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:00 punkman: a lot of it is from the fucking recruiters spamming everywhere with imagined job descriptions
1450011;1460353692;mircea_popescu;very typical of the ambitious twerp to imagine moontrip by own breech pulling is JUST THIS ONE TWEAK AWAY
1450012;1460353714;mircea_popescu;if only you pulled on your foreskin LIKE THIS particular way, the peach pit girlfriend would TOTALLY materialize.
1450013;1460353737;mircea_popescu;it's the other schmucks not pulling on their own foreskin in the exactly right way that barred them from peach pit lovin', you see. nothing wrong with the principle of things.
1450014;1460353749;mircea_popescu;nothing can ever be wrong with the principle of things. just... gotta do it the RIGHT WAY.
1450015;1460353764;mircea_popescu;that right there is cargo cultism at its peach pit core.
1450016;1460354319;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449967 << because it is.
1450017;1460354319;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:18 asciilifeform: sounds like 19th c. sweatshop
1450018;1460354472;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449984 << that's what http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ is for.
1450019;1460354472;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:26 gernika: I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter.
1450020;1460354611;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449999 << there's something that does : the people involved aren't sexually intimate. yes, slavegirls enjoy working in "open kitchen", often hands in same pot. nevertheless, if you had tried to mix them with their mothers / insufferable siblings etc, watch the fireworks.
1450021;1460354611;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:47 phf: there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh
1450022;1460354696;mircea_popescu;generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
1450023;1460354806;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450000 << install a coupla poles, hire strippers to work in the middle and serve one free drink/hour ; you're made.
1450024;1460354806;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:48 ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
1450025;1460354883;mircea_popescu;this is totally how i'd run a softwareho sweatshop if i were running one.
1450026;1460355120;phf;aye, symbolics style https://www.facebook.com/509092289172342/photos/pb.509092289172342.-2207520000.1460355053./771729566241945/?type=3&theater
1450027;1460355253;mircea_popescu;that may be the worst stripper act i ever saw and wtf is with the lesbo hair.
1450028;1460355330;phf;80s?
1450029;1460355385;phf;i mean they just discovered bowie
1450030;1460355387;mircea_popescu;that's not 80s hair. THIS is 80s hair https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFQsFmmG_r0lj9dI4dq57VYfgAi-ZpSOVBt594F1URC1E7DteI
1450031;1460355593;phf;that's a cool people hair, eastern europe, new york, batcave even
1450032;1460355631;phf;i think soccer moms (and not too young strippers apparently) were going for that annie lennox look
1450033;1460355637;ben_vulpes;https://www.facebook.com/Symbolics-Inc-509092289172342/ << treasure trove
1450034;1460355689;mircea_popescu;not too young, not too tall, not too in shape, not too tits, not too experienced, wtf fucking strippers are these already. being old should at least mean you no longer behave like the coy imbecile.
1450035;1460355722;mircea_popescu;ref : http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/
1450036;1460356125;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << spot the bug
1450037;1460356207;mircea_popescu;o wow, woulda look at that. science utterly prevailed then, has it.
1450038;1460356221;phf;it's hard for me to defend that picture, sort of like watching your parent's debauchery pictures, except hypothetical "parents" because my parents were actually cool. perhaps parent's friend's cousin from small town.
1450039;1460356245;mircea_popescu;phf what's the moscow equivalent of bakersfield ?
1450040;1460356246;phf;but on the bright side, the man would've been fired were it a circa 2016 picture
1450041;1460356248;ben_vulpes;he looks a bit displeased
1450042;1460356429;phf;podolsk? yaroslavl? just generally outside of MKAD
1450043;1460356622;mircea_popescu;bakersfield is this specific thing, satellite city of the great city where the zombies live.
1450044;1460356800;phf;yeah, i'm wondering if there even exists a ru equivalent concept
1450045;1460356843;mircea_popescu;see, romania has caracal, "the town where the cart of idiots toppled over".
1450046;1460356853;mircea_popescu;ie, "un' s-o imburdat caru' cu prosti"
1450047;1460357079;mircea_popescu;(also locally famous for the locally-celebrated "7 wonders of Caracal", to wit : that it has a prison, on Freedom street ; one bread factory, on Famine street ; the only school is called "School #2" ; the fire department burned down ; the door of police preceinct was stolen ; they built around a high crane in such a way the crane couldn't be extracted anymore so was left on the grounds, a sort of monument to caracalean engine
1450048;1460357080;mircea_popescu;ering ; the train station had a monstrous clock whose face had the time in both roman numerals (I to XII, except for IV which is for some reason marked as IIII) as well as arabic (13 to 24). etc.
1450049;1460357106;ben_vulpes;omg
1450050;1460357128;mircea_popescu;http://altfeldestiri.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ceas-caracal-282x300.jpg?42cd43 << clockface in question.
1450051;1460357144;phf;ahah
1450052;1460357172;mircea_popescu;http://www.oneblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/normal_caracal.jpg << other items of local flavour
1450053;1460357256;ben_vulpes;wow
1450054;1460357259;phf;yeah, in moscow we call it rest of country
1450055;1460357270;mircea_popescu;lol
1450056;1460357426;phf;although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit"
1450057;1460357492;mircea_popescu;lol
1450058;1460357792;mircea_popescu;anyway, i think i'ma go for jimki.
1450059;1460357804;phf;jimki?
1450060;1460357814;mircea_popescu;sounds like the great name of a russian bakersfield. could even be a character, Jim from Jimki
1450061;1460357840;phf;oh oh like zhimki
1450062;1460357870;mircea_popescu;phf Химки
1450063;1460357920;mircea_popescu;where they invented the super-duper tough HOMO police force.
1450064;1460357984;phf;yeah that's a good choice. that one is particularly painful one, because it has no qualities beyond "people sleep there and then commute for 4 hours everyday to work in moscow"
1450065;1460358007;mircea_popescu;so has birdy whispered in my ear.
1450066;1460358127;phf;yeah, uryupinsk made me all nostalgic, "mother russia" and all that. химки just looks depressing.
1450067;1460358171;phf;http://www.khimki.info/upload/medialibrary/4c3/02_vidi.JPG vs https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Intercession_Church_Uryupinsk.jpg
1450068;1460368251;mircea_popescu;incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
1450069;1460368591;deedbot-;[Trilema] Files from the War on the Web. Today, Literotica. - http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/
1450070;1460377675;BingoBoingo;Oh, davout is resolving BitBets nao?
1450071;1460381363;davout;BingoBoingo: I is indeed.
1450072;1460381739;mircea_popescu;o there he is. they take weekends off where you're from ?!
1450073;1460381883;davout;:)
1450074;1460382170;mircea_popescu;and in other news... http://49.media.tumblr.com/54cadd320beb6a3efa1b85b4e3bd721a/tumblr_nisw8hzBzU1stthtfo1_400.gif
1450075;1460383826;shinohai;I see your balcony blowjob and raise you blindfold bj: https://i.imgur.com/fgU1xh1.webm
1450076;1460385675;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450022 << much simpler than this. thought i suppose mircea_popescu is enjoying being deliberately thick.
1450077;1460385675;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 06:04 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
1450078;1460385687;asciilifeform;what's better, eating 1 pound of shit, or 10 ?
1450079;1460385707;asciilifeform;telecommute is simply LESS of the loathesome torture than the alternative.
1450080;1460385721;asciilifeform;for instance, i do 3+ hrs of UNPAID idiocy every day, just sitting in the motherfucking car.
1450081;1460385945;jurov;pray tell, what alternative you're thinking of here?
1450082;1460386088;asciilifeform;jurov: original thread was 'telecommute is nice' -- mp: 'nah you all suck and what does it matter what you little white mice do or don't do'
1450083;1460386342;jurov;oh so.
1450084;1460386372;asciilifeform;aha.
1450085;1460386375;jurov;btw, what about hiring some schmuck to drive you around for bitcoins?
1450086;1460386394;asciilifeform;jurov: this exists, it is called the train
1450087;1460386419;shinohai;Some paki uber fag
1450088;1460386436;jurov;you can pay for train directly with coinz?
1450089;1460386437;asciilifeform;i don't like being driven any more than driving
1450090;1460386452;jurov;...
1450091;1460386459;asciilifeform;and how do coinz enter into this, in so far as i'm concerned those are a nonrenewable resource that i carefully hoard, i don't get paid in'em
1450092;1460386472;jurov;so you don;t want to get rid of them anymore?
1450093;1460386480;jurov;or i misunderstood?
1450094;1460386482;asciilifeform;nah they could come in handy for something.
1450095;1460386526;jurov;seems you have hoard/spend bit, too
1450096;1460386534;asciilifeform;occasionally
1450097;1460386554;asciilifeform;at any rate, i can't do anything useful while in a moving vehicle, tried many times over whole life
1450098;1460386821;gernika;the telecommute *can* give one more time, as asciilifeform says - 60 hours a month. Health too - commutes are not good for you.
1450099;1460386967;jurov;but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance?
1450100;1460387024;gernika;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450022 << what makes a job *less* shitty?
1450101;1460387024;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 06:04 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.
1450102;1460387059;gernika;jurov - absolutely. employment is a scam.
1450103;1460387130;asciilifeform;11:02 <+jurov> but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance? << because there is ~0 demand for what i do among folks who employ freelancers ?
1450104;1460387150;asciilifeform;(or, alternatively, i'm not 1333333337 enough by a long shot to know where to find it)
1450105;1460387319;jurov;asciilifeform: i was some time on freelancer.com picking nuggets that indians won't do (like adding mysql plugin in C, or fixing old perl ERP) and I wasn't earning much for few months, and then one of the people approached me with much bigger and $better$ project.
1450106;1460387348;asciilifeform;jurov: what makes you think i can afford to 'not earn much for few months' ?
1450107;1460387376;jurov;you aren't atm earning anything anyway, are you?
1450108;1460387384;asciilifeform;jurov: why do you think this ?
1450109;1460387397;jurov;you are unemployed?
1450110;1460387399;asciilifeform;nope.
1450111;1460387406;asciilifeform;how did you get this idea ?
1450112;1460387423;asciilifeform;i am posting straight from $rupturefarms as before.
1450113;1460387442;asciilifeform;in the heart of mordor.
1450114;1460387443;jurov;i see, you're employed *and* searching
1450115;1460387447;asciilifeform;the pentagon is a few km away.
1450116;1460387491;asciilifeform;jurov: not mega-seekrit, iirc i explained it
1450117;1460387555;gernika;Step 1: start as 1000 low paid jurovs.
1450118;1460387563;asciilifeform;10,000,001 !
1450119;1460387735;jurov;looks like my reading comprehension went to shit :(
1450120;1460387755;mircea_popescu;fixing old perl ERP << o brother.
1450121;1460387803;mircea_popescu;in other news, the article i'm writing now is titled "the fagspital"
1450122;1460387819;asciilifeform;l0l!
1450123;1460388603;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450056 >>> <<< http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821685
1450124;1460388603;a111;Logged on 2014-09-07 17:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sex anal cu tractoare, motocositoare si combine agricole >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVOd8zY3D8 << 'in Flyshitte, in the Red Corpse Kolhoz... there lived Tractoresse!'
1450125;1460388603;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 06:50 phf: although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit"
1450126;1460388623;mircea_popescu;lol.
1450127;1460388638;mircea_popescu;da fuck you reading!
1450128;1460388710;asciilifeform;well he mentioned мухосранск
1450129;1460389037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450009 << literally 5min ago i got yet ANOTHER call from one of these imbeciles
1450130;1460389037;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot.
1450131;1460389043;asciilifeform;srsly 3-5/day now
1450132;1460389060;mircea_popescu;if only you were into slavebois.
1450133;1460389084;asciilifeform;there is this strange presumption, apparently shared even by jurov, that somebody looking for work is necessarily unemployed or underemployed and 'will do anything'
1450134;1460389246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am into not-interacting-with-imbeciles, of either sex, in any capacity whatsoever, if it can be at all helped.
1450135;1460389267;mircea_popescu;why ?
1450136;1460389274;asciilifeform;i literally don't need them for anything
1450137;1460389284;asciilifeform;just as i don't need mosquitoes
1450138;1460389288;asciilifeform;or tsetse fly
1450139;1460389306;mircea_popescu;you know the story of the beanstalk that decided it will not interact with any evolutionary inferior aggregations of matter, but only the superior ?
1450140;1460389312;mircea_popescu;it... died.
1450141;1460389320;asciilifeform;hey i did not say i dun want them in my fuel filter
1450142;1460389326;asciilifeform;i said ~interact~.
1450143;1460389334;asciilifeform;they are welcome in my petrol tank
1450144;1460389336;asciilifeform;after fermenting.
1450145;1460389380;asciilifeform;but the fermentation ought to take place in specially-designated barrels, not in my kitchen sink plox.
1450146;1460389532;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how teh world worx.
1450147;1460389570;asciilifeform;evidently.
1450148;1460389642;asciilifeform;i grasp how mircea_popescu might enjoy hunting idiots for sport from safe height of dirigible, and he has plenty of leisure for this, like medieval lord - but the time budget ~i~ have for idiots, is 0.
1450149;1460389768;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450000 << l0lz! ~this~ is where ben_vulpes offered me to work for table scraps at !
1450150;1460389768;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 04:48 ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
1450151;1460389935;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450020 << i can't help but wonder if mircea_popescu actually thinks the inside of his harem is relevant to other people. i find it interesting, yes, but it is rather like the inside of a particle accelerator - not particularly related to any situation i am likely to ever encounter imho.
1450152;1460389935;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449999 << there's something that does : the people involved aren't sexually intimate. yes, slavegirls enjoy working in "open kitchen", often hands in same pot. nevertheless, if you had tried to mix them with their mothers / insufferable siblings etc, watch the fireworks.
1450153;1460389998;asciilifeform;but if i ever must build particle accelerator, i will very much study mircea_popescu's notes!
1450154;1460390090;mircea_popescu;apparently it IS related.
1450155;1460390101;ben_vulpes;dun recall making an offer
1450156;1460390116;mircea_popescu;the fact of the matter is that irrespective of how foreign, the gyneceum is in point of fact the matrix of a whole lotta things.
1450157;1460390151;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc you suggested it simply as a barb
1450158;1460390172;asciilifeform;'how'd ya like to bike-commute to my injun farm'
1450159;1460390172;mircea_popescu;most disputes as to physical reality resolve through some form of argumentum ad acceleratorum ; it stands then to reason most disputes as to social interaction will resolve through some form of argumentum ad slut hotel.
1450160;1460390194;mircea_popescu;he did not. i asked him if he'd take you, as a personal favour. because you were going all nutso.
1450161;1460390231;*;asciilifeform promises that if he ever begs for spare change, he will do it under a d.c. bridge and not ever here.
1450162;1460390295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except the thing i 'all nutso' ~about~ was the very notion.
1450163;1460390333;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the concept that the more intelligent the subject, the larger share of his problems are of his own creation ?
1450164;1460390367;asciilifeform;sure. brick has 0 problemz.
1450165;1460390383;mircea_popescu;mo mortar, mo problemz.
1450166;1460390644;asciilifeform;in not entirely unrelatez nyooz, i had a dream that they passed out korans at the office, and bearded blokes walked around to inquire, regularly, how much each schmuck has read and understood.
1450167;1460390697;asciilifeform;the korans were of a very spiffy edition that does not exist on our planet, every 'key phrase' was annotated in 6 languages, but only one of them was arabic, the 5 others i did not recognize as earthling scripts at all.
1450168;1460390723;asciilifeform;the interesting aspect is that this was a glorious and joyous thing, because...
1450169;1460390732;mircea_popescu;chocolate rations
1450170;1460390732;asciilifeform;it beat the shit out of the actual job i was doing previously !1111
1450171;1460390763;asciilifeform;snow shovelling rations.
1450172;1460390769;asciilifeform;(see old thread)
1450173;1460391011;mircea_popescu;$up rithm
1450174;1460391014;deedbot;rithm voiced for 30 minutes.
1450175;1460391023;rithm;hello
1450176;1460391035;mircea_popescu;hola
1450177;1460391110;rithm;30 minutes of voice, so little time so much to say and do
1450178;1460391125;mircea_popescu;go ahead.
1450179;1460391140;rithm;meh
1450180;1460391244;*;asciilifeform got YET ANOTHER 'we would l0000ve to have you!1111' from usg
1450181;1460391249;asciilifeform;does nobody read the logz.
1450182;1460391297;asciilifeform;and what is the 'omniscient' spybot of google for, if not to avoid the schutzstaffel thusly wasting its time ?
1450183;1460391510;mircea_popescu;lol.
1450184;1460391517;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand how teh world worx!
1450185;1460391529;asciilifeform;possibly !
1450186;1460391537;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Fagspital - http://trilema.com/2016/the-fagspital/
1450187;1460391740;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/eUrrFRh.png <<< lol this ETH chart
1450188;1460391743;mircea_popescu;and in today's further installment of weird, http://www.seductivejewess3.com/type-id31-genya-sarah-golub/ (scroll down)
1450189;1460391874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450187 << l0lwaterfall
1450190;1460391874;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 16:22 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/eUrrFRh.png <<< lol this ETH chart
1450191;1460391955;asciilifeform;has anything outlived mircea_popescu's fatwa by longer than the eth thing ?
1450192;1460391974;mircea_popescu;sure, many things.
1450193;1460392000;mircea_popescu;gravity works the way it works ; entropy idem. it doesn't say you can't put things in orbit. it just says it won't be worth it.
1450194;1460392014;shinohai;Peter Wuille, for example.
1450195;1460392024;asciilifeform;who was it, who wrote 'market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent'
1450196;1460392042;mircea_popescu;there's no market at work here.
1450197;1460392081;asciilifeform;no, but there is a tremendous herd of captive cattle.
1450198;1460392122;mircea_popescu;incidentally, "the herd" is apparently a trope in the genre of "post-apocalypse/zombie invasion" copywriting.
1450199;1460392123;rithm;ethereum is still a thing?
1450200;1460392136;mircea_popescu;ie, all the "infected" humans get together into this huge swarwming mass to be avoided.
1450201;1460392152;mircea_popescu;makes no sense, of course, but then again genre fiction is genre fiction.
1450202;1460392942;phf;seductivejewess3.com << gold
1450203;1460393209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what exactly is a 'balabusta' ?
1450204;1460393228;phf;"I note from the IPS address template that certain parties – quite possibly of the Jewish persuasion – attempt from time to time to break into the site and destroy it."
1450205;1460393267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one time, long ago, i pwned a sp4mz0r's box and it turned out that one of his pw's was 'balabusta'. i had the word in the back of my head ever since
1450206;1460393274;asciilifeform;but still not entirely sure what it means.
1450207;1460393465;asciilifeform;in other noose,
1450208;1460393466;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2016/04/gchq-wizards-helped-prevent-harry-potter-book-from-leaking-online
1450209;1460393494;asciilifeform;'In a radio interview last week, Nigel Newton of Bloomsbury Publishing spoke about how the publisher had employed strong security measures to prevent possible leaks, including guard dogs and a constant security presence at the printing press. Seemingly, the company also had the support of GCHQ, the UK's primary signals intelligence and surveillance agency.'
1450210;1460393544;jurov;does the fagspital exist anywhere? here they want only blood, drawn hastily on some unholy morning hour
1450211;1460393552;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/04/chariot-for-women-an-uber-like-service-for-females-set-to-launch-this-month << from same rag, lulzy
1450212;1460393581;phf;the story immediately goes into idiot mode, where they say GCHQ called up publisher over leaks, but "nobody knows what they would've done if that was a real leak". triangulated the internet of course
1450213;1460393667;phf;every other uber driver tries to pitch me on "uber for X" when they learn im in it.
1450214;1460393821;asciilifeform;phf: the 'idiot mode' thing is a clanging cymbal to distract reader from the brick-in-your-face-obvious fact that nsa et al openly brag about their actual ('societal control') work and are shedding the pretense of 'defense against foreign devils'
1450215;1460393898;asciilifeform;the lack of any ~actual~ foreign devils worth the mention is no longer mega-seekrit
1450216;1460394186;phf;why look for hidden messages, when there are open messages available
1450217;1460394262;asciilifeform;that's the funny thing, it isn't hidden at all.
1450218;1460394333;asciilifeform;i have seen these folks in the flesh
1450219;1460394343;asciilifeform;and heard them prattle on
1450220;1460394351;asciilifeform;they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
1450221;1460394383;asciilifeform;it means, approximately, the maintenance of status quo
1450222;1460394391;asciilifeform;and, in particular, the prevention of mircea_popescus
1450223;1460394403;asciilifeform;and in general, the prevention of honest commerce as a possible thing to exist.
1450224;1460394557;asciilifeform;presently, the main preoccupation of the vermin is dissent and betrayal within own ranks.
1450225;1460394560;phf;i don't know ~who~ you're explaining this to, but you're missing my point. nsa/gchq ideology is out in the open, so there's no need to read it into any random event. if a policeman beats up a nigger one day and saves a kitten from a tree another, there's really no reason to read "reinforcement of hegemony" into the second action, since there's the first one
1450226;1460394588;asciilifeform;but what when he saves the nigger from the tree, and beats the kitten.
1450227;1460394624;asciilifeform;and my point was that, at least formerly, the genuine ideology was ~not~ in the open.
1450228;1460394647;asciilifeform;they had an elaborate pretense of 'terrorism!111' going
1450229;1460394651;asciilifeform;which is beginning to dissolve
1450230;1460394709;phf;it was always out in the open, they just gain new powers. each cycle brings a new pretense with a new set of powers
1450231;1460394717;asciilifeform;prior to ~that~, they had half a century of pretense of 'defense against su'
1450232;1460394730;asciilifeform;(which really meant, wrecking su, so alternatives to the reich could not come to exist)
1450233;1460394760;phf;well, in that article their pretense is defense against the hackers, a "recognized international cyberthreat"
1450234;1460394804;asciilifeform;aha.
1450235;1460394824;asciilifeform;but until very recently, the fiction was maintained that 'hackerz are a law enforcement matter'
1450236;1460394828;phf;i'm just failing to grok how that article warrants an "A-ha!" moment, when there's basically an endless stream of ineffectual aha-s for 90 some years (as far back as i read about this stuff)
1450237;1460394860;asciilifeform;the 'aha moment' line is quite arbitrary.
1450238;1460395083;phf;latest boind explained it for the rest of us, mi5 with their license to kill is out, gchq with their license to survey is in :p
1450239;1460395088;phf;*bond
1450240;1460395106;phf;for the good of the country and our fellow law abiding countrymen
1450241;1460395188;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that anybody cancelled the 'license to kill'
1450242;1460395199;asciilifeform;ask, e.g., michael hastings.
1450243;1460395204;asciilifeform;or the nailgunned folks.
1450244;1460395225;asciilifeform;or the 10,000,001 journawhorez who helped the above 'unexist'
1450245;1460395265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a more or less convincing argument that the cleanups are ~expensive~ and so the kill is used ~sparingly~
1450246;1460395268;asciilifeform;but nobody cancelled it.
1450247;1460395333;asciilifeform;and yes, planting a hdd full of cp is cheaper than a sniper hit, and setting somebody up to quietly starve is cheaper still, etc.
1450248;1460395411;asciilifeform;but rarely is ~any~ of it necessary, because the number of folks who ~merit~ any of this treatment hovers around ~0.
1450249;1460395421;asciilifeform;i, for instance, have yet to even merit a traffic ticket
1450250;1460395427;asciilifeform;much less car bomb.
1450251;1460395464;asciilifeform;and if even mircea_popescu does not get car bomb, what hope do i have.
1450252;1460398575;phf;perfect job for alf https://lispjobs.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/front-end-developer-clojurescript-vital-labs-san-francisco/
1450253;1460398627;phf;"We are looking for a ~generalist~ developer with a ~front-end focus~ and strong ~interest~ in working with the Clojure ecosystem who can lead or contribute to all aspects of a modern technology stack."
1450254;1460399106;asciilifeform;l0l phf
1450255;1460399115;asciilifeform;why not cobol !
1450256;1460399237;phf;this job posting is ridiculously bad, and i wouldn't know about it if these "vital labs" people didn't have such poor taste to post it to lispjobs
1450257;1460399401;phf;but then someone approved it, which kind of makes me recognize the point you make about maggots
1450258;1460399858;asciilifeform;aha.
1450259;1460402775;asciilifeform;Apr 11 15:24:59 *gribble has quit (Disconnected by services) << l0lwut
1450260;1460402930;mircea_popescu;i dunno, deedbot got a lot of that too
1450261;1460403118;phf;a111 is just sitting there
1450262;1460403213;mircea_popescu;trinque what was the key extracto command ?
1450263;1460403232;trinque;it's $key nick
1450264;1460403233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if ((rand() % 666) == 1) disconnect_terrorist();
1450265;1460403235;mircea_popescu;a ty
1450266;1460403238;mircea_popescu;$key nobcob
1450267;1460403251;mircea_popescu;$key NobCob
1450268;1460403265;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e6f9a783-f096-4f7d-a5c6-c69af669d376/
1450269;1460403271;mircea_popescu;ty deedbot
1450270;1460403644;phf;gpgme in homebrew goes out of its way to build with gpg2 with that same mantra that tech wreckers use everywhere, it's deprecated. don't question it, morty, it's deprecated. the community deprecated it. yep.
1450271;1460403692;asciilifeform;k0my00000000n1ty!1111
1450272;1460403707;mircea_popescu;heh
1450273;1460403723;asciilifeform;also gpgme sucked donkey ballz in every conceivable other way.
1450274;1460403736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a balabusta is a "proper jewish housewife" ; but in romanian just means old fat gypsy woman.
1450275;1460403757;asciilifeform;ah!
1450276;1460403767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this actually explains a great deal, ty.
1450277;1460403768;mircea_popescu;and nice ploy pretending you don't know, jdif!
1450278;1460403773;mircea_popescu;I AM ON TO YOU
1450279;1460403776;asciilifeform;i ~suspected~ l0l
1450280;1460403795;mircea_popescu;#trilema, buncha guys named benjamin and some dude from odessa wink wink nudge nudge
1450281;1460403800;mircea_popescu;o i r wondert, wut is balabusta!
1450282;1460403848;asciilifeform;in related nyooz, i go out of my zoo and think 'i will march in random direction', and lo and behold, a few km away, ru shop, sells sprats! etc
1450283;1460403900;mircea_popescu;lol
1450284;1460403987;asciilifeform;i kinda wonder now, what % of folks around here are su exiles
1450285;1460403997;mircea_popescu;jurov> does the fagspital exist anywhere? <<< on buyan!
1450286;1460404024;phf;there's 3 stores that sell sprats, beluga caviar, kefir, etc. within max 20 minutes of walking from where i am
1450287;1460404035;asciilifeform;incidentally they had a very mircea_popescutronic-looking chick at the counter.
1450288;1460404055;asciilifeform;but WITH FACE
1450289;1460404075;mircea_popescu; openly brag about their actual ('societal control') work <<< that nsa and all are desperate for funds because the toilets are overflowing and the cheap wallpaint flaking in their shitty "coffee" is neither surprising nor actually too convincing towards the proposed theory.
1450290;1460404103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: theory concerns how the perpetrators see ~themselves~, rather than what ends up actually happening
1450291;1460404128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and, in particular, the prevention of mircea_popescus << heh. don't flatter self, mps aren't prevented by some sort of captain planet "by our powers combined".
1450292;1460404162;asciilifeform;and 'desperate for funds' is not quite it - they have vastly more funds than staff (for n00bs to subj, usg spending is - in a perverse and difficult to understand formula - tied to organizational staffing..)
1450293;1460404169;mircea_popescu;yeah, and then you go into a tizzy when i consider how fat women on etsy "see themselves".
1450294;1460404180;mircea_popescu;you know this is vaguely homo! wtf do you care what some fat derps see themselves as.
1450295;1460404188;mircea_popescu;at least womenz have tits, somewhere.
1450296;1460404236;asciilifeform;l0l i suppose all warfare is 'vaguely homo'
1450297;1460404245;asciilifeform;at least when it is not against the amazons.
1450298;1460404247;mircea_popescu;i suppose!
1450299;1460404312;mircea_popescu;phf> for the good of the country and our fellow law abiding countrymen << and unrelatedly and no doubt very insignificantly, ALSO for lack of any dudes that can be arsed to kill.
1450300;1460404332;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> but nobody cancelled it. << orly.
1450301;1460404340;asciilifeform;hastings cremated self ?
1450302;1460404350;asciilifeform;the brit crypto schmuck sewed himself into bag? etc
1450303;1460404403;mircea_popescu;they prolly got an ex to do it
1450304;1460404408;mircea_popescu;only people who can summon the energy anymore.
1450305;1460404425;asciilifeform;they get 'ex' to do ~anything at all~ !
1450306;1460404435;asciilifeform;realize, proper 'civil servants' do ~0 in usgdom.
1450307;1460404443;asciilifeform;virtually all of the spending is on 'contractor'
1450308;1460404525;mircea_popescu;heh.
1450309;1460404535;asciilifeform;'contractor' routinely gets 2-3x for ~same work~, even something as humble as software
1450310;1460404535;mircea_popescu;this is so soviet, incidentally. utterly.
1450311;1460404541;mircea_popescu;recall the joke with the young girl in school ?
1450312;1460404545;asciilifeform;aha!
1450313;1460404548;asciilifeform;with the ice cream.
1450314;1460404576;mircea_popescu;"in the us the nsa has powers and bla bla bla. why are you crying, little boy" "I WANT TO GO TO THE USA!!11"
1450315;1460404590;asciilifeform;i also recall the one with the buggery.
1450316;1460404594;mircea_popescu;"where i live we have no moneys no gear and do nothing all day long and my apt has cockroaches"
1450317;1460404621;mircea_popescu;phf who's morty.
1450318;1460404657;asciilifeform;prolly the morty in 'rick and morty' ?
1450319;1460404664;phf;cartoon character
1450320;1460404675;mircea_popescu;oh
1450321;1460404676;asciilifeform;incidentally a surprisingly mircea_popescutronic cartoon imho
1450322;1460404730;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz : pms on literotica, for ~day and a half. 5 clicks on bitly link, of which two mine checking it works. ARTICLE on trilema discussing the matter and in very passing offering the [unlinked] url for the bitly link. 12 clicks after half a day.
1450323;1460404743;mircea_popescu;then people wonder wtf i say trilema readership ~= 2x all of conde nast
1450324;1460405049;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that, season two. I R ARLY EADOPTOR for once! ty #trilema!
1450325;1460405146;mircea_popescu;and in other "you no come to disturb" news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/bffddb815a4fb5798504ebd69be1cd87/tumblr_nyim1w1FhS1tlxqgjo1_500.gif
1450326;1460409941;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu i take it no one again wrote in re the block cipher thing ?
1450327;1460409941;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1450328;1460410063;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that the enemy did not see it fit to try to sell us a clever dud
1450329;1460410812;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AvC4-qcGIU
1450330;1460410813;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1450331;1460410831;asciilifeform;in entirely unrelated findz,
1450332;1460410832;asciilifeform;http://marte.unican.es/index.htm
1450333;1460410846;asciilifeform;^ ben_vulpes, mod6, et al ^ possibly interesting example of various things
1450334;1460410910;ben_vulpes;huh neet
1450335;1460410931;*;asciilifeform has not tested! or - for the most part - even read! for study only.
1450336;1460411147;asciilifeform;the thing claims to support sound blaster 16, even.
1450337;1460411157;asciilifeform;but many of the drivers appear to be in c
1450338;1460411178;asciilifeform;and a number of other key components of the kernel, such as memory allocator, are also in c
1450339;1460411186;asciilifeform;so this is a strange bulldog-rhinoceros chimera.
1450340;1460415623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. it's public anyway, i wouldn't really do anything but point to the thread in private.
1450341;1460415817;mircea_popescu;in other win, http://trilema.com/2013/annas-adventure/#comment-116994
1450342;1460415900;ben_vulpes;SEX
1450343;1460415932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i only asked because a few of the discussed items in the past were from your mailpile iirc.
1450344;1460415942;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1450345;1460419959;deedbot-;[Trilema] Mochila o muerte! - http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/
1450346;1460423843;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://marte.unican.es/index.htm << hey this is neat
1450347;1460424045;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai Bed eating isn't a real addiction.
1450348;1460424045;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1450349;1460424202;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ick
1450350;1460424233;asciilifeform;what next - bed shitting?
1450351;1460424258;shinohai;That's a new level of fat degeneracy for me.
1450352;1460424335;BingoBoingo;Bed shitting is so common in hospital they even have shit pan for bed.
1450353;1460424360;shinohai;Let's hope she doesn't eat that too.
1450354;1460424495;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in hospital, 'not from a good life', vs sheer putrid sloth, wtf
1450355;1460424539;BingoBoingo;Hey, Obeast took powered wheelchairs from hospitals and made it a trend. Why not shitpan for bed?
1450356;1460424622;asciilifeform;ever play 'monkey island ii' ?
1450357;1460424640;asciilifeform;recall the character with the bed that had shit pipe?
1450358;1460425040;felipelalli;what year is it????
1450359;1460425062;asciilifeform;felipelalli: 0.
1450360;1460425136;felipelalli;o.o I just sleep some days and when I wake up... wow
1450361;1460425318;felipelalli;there are a URL that keep the log of this channel? (please don't say "read the logs to know it") - and how can I search something in the log with deedbot? Is that possible?
1450362;1460425341;mike_c;http://btcbase.org/log/
1450363;1460425348;felipelalli;thank you mike_c
1450364;1460425353;mod6;we're in our seventh year.
1450365;1460425372;mod6;and this is year zero of the second congress of the republic
1450366;1460425407;mod6;pop-rocks are awesome btw
1450367;1460425415;felipelalli;lol :)
1450368;1460425441;mod6;haha strawberry!
1450369;1460425445;asciilifeform;mod6: what's a pop-rock ?
1450370;1460425453;mod6;oh man.
1450371;1460425487;mod6;looks like colored meth: http://www.pop-rocks.com/
1450372;1460425498;mod6;candy. check it out sometime.
1450373;1460425506;phf;felipelalli: search is still not quite there yet, because i had a bandwidth limits, right now does straight up case-sensitive grep
1450374;1460425638;felipelalli;!gettrust phf
1450375;1460425639;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
1450376;1460425675;felipelalli;can I make a "gettrust" using deedbot?
1450377;1460425679;phf;felipelalli: it's $gettrust
1450378;1460425684;felipelalli;$gettrust phf
1450379;1460425687;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 6 by 5 connections.
1450380;1460425693;felipelalli;nice! thank you phf .
1450381;1460425730;mod6;pretty neat little chart there phf
1450382;1460425752;phf;activity by hour?
1450383;1460425758;mod6;ya
1450384;1460425791;phf;yeah, it ended up being pretty handy
1450385;1460425823;phf;i have a bunch of work i want to put in into logs, just waiting for schedule to clear up
1450386;1460425880;BingoBoingo; ever play 'monkey island ii' ? << nah
1450387;1460425901;shinohai;;;ticker
1450388;1460425902;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 423.7, Best ask: 423.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 423.7, 24 hour volume: 7436.52051714, 24 hour low: 418.8, 24 hour high: 425.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1450389;1460425915;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mega-recommended
1450390;1460425932;asciilifeform;adventure from golden age
1450391;1460426003;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: My time is more stained than usually. Been renting my attention out by the hour on a part time basis for fiat bucks lately.
1450392;1460426038;mircea_popescu;mod6> and this is year zero of the second congress of the republic << word.
1450393;1460426047;mircea_popescu;tho perhaps bitcoin-otc might count as first congress.
1450394;1460426077;BingoBoingo;Year zero of the null-th congress
1450395;1460426157;asciilifeform;the real puzzler will be whether the gossiptronic beast, where different folks actually see different universes, counts as 'a congress'...
1450396;1460426178;mircea_popescu;that'd be the digress
1450397;1460426190;BingoBoingo;It would be the dongress
1450398;1460426191;asciilifeform;l0l!
1450399;1460427695;felipelalli;$rate phf 3 "Lisper. He's also very polite and respectful. :D"
1450400;1460427701;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e7a0ff21-af62-4711-b58d-e0ee9fa80b04/
1450401;1460427714;felipelalli;$v 3D8592FF589A96CE823B62B60EB209AC499F76299F1D668B26BE66C3068AD207
1450402;1460427715;deedbot;felipelalli rated phf 3 << "Lisper. He's also very polite and respectful. :D"
1450403;1460427723;phf;aw
1450404;1460431274;mats;cute
1450405;1460438351;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jaiq_ZZ_eM
1450406;1460440487;ben_vulpes;not a barb, asciilifeform
1450407;1460440530;ben_vulpes;more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
1450408;1460440612;ben_vulpes;not to mention your explicit hatred of what makes up the bulk of my work.
1450409;1460440630;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1450410;1460440645;ben_vulpes;what can i say, i muck stables for room and board.
1450411;1460442105;ben_vulpes;chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
1450412;1460457972;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450411 <<< got this warning while visiting kat.cr earlier on gf's lappy
1450413;1460457972;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 06:21 ben_vulpes: chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
1450414;1460461648;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the whole "for your protection" thing can ever only go one way - to where it "protects" you from sluts and drink.
1450415;1460463263;mircea_popescu;and in other forgotten lulz news, http://trilema.com/2011/elemente-de-baza-n-tehnica-trolajului-grav/#selection-27.0-26.1
1450416;1460466110;BingoBoingo;Roger Ver gets back into retail, because that worked so well for him in the past https://archive.is/AE045
1450417;1460466453;shinohai;What's he going to do, open up a fireworks trailer in Alabama?
1450418;1460466486;mircea_popescu;lmao
1450419;1460466865;BingoBoingo;He could sell collectibles again for USD while watching US fall compared to the merchandise he sold.
1450420;1460467012;shinohai;I love how he pays Buttnix to write articles, then pops in the comments section like he doesn't own the site.
1450421;1460467169;mircea_popescu;incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
1450422;1460469582;mircea_popescu;$rated alikim
1450423;1460469583;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated alikim 1 at 3669304001 << Euloran
1450424;1460469607;mircea_popescu;$rate alikim 2 Euloran, flash programmer, alikim.com/photos
1450425;1460469615;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8cd50a8a-efce-46b4-9e27-e288e381ee64/
1450426;1460469699;mircea_popescu;$v B89E246463D3F547D12D54F06755647EBD38CFA5AEDFA76667EFD88070D7C37F
1450427;1460469705;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of alikim from 1 to 2 << Euloran, flash programmer, alikim.com/photos
1450428;1460469763;mircea_popescu;$gettrust alikim
1450429;1460469767;deedbot;L1: 2, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1450430;1460469903;phf;o_O
1450431;1460469923;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1450432;1460469926;mircea_popescu;darn.
1450433;1460469946;mircea_popescu;o hey, trinque got it to pick itself up off the floor did he. nice.
1450434;1460469978;phf;a weird deedbot crash, which seems to indicate sporadic packet delivery somehow
1450435;1460469996;mircea_popescu;myeh.
1450436;1460470078;trinque;yup, I've seen a couple of those
1450437;1460470345;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068 << http://btcbase.org/log-raw/
1450438;1460470345;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
1450439;1460470380;phf;this is only the stuff that i'm producing, in the same format as kako's original
1450440;1460470404;phf;i'll shuffle things around at some point so that the folder contains pre-t-a stuff too
1450441;1460470433;mircea_popescu;win.
1450442;1460470629;phf;it is live (i.e. it's a WAL), but if someone needs to read this data at frequency, talk to me to work something out
1450443;1460470688;phf;which reminds, ben_vulpes you still need me to give you wotpaste urls? i could probably produce a daily structured dump or somesuch
1450444;1460470754;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450421 << me. pgpgram detailz?
1450445;1460470754;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
1450446;1460471098;mircea_popescu;;;ud wal
1450447;1460471099;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Walmart | The local 3-generation mom & pop store was run out of town by Walmart. ... C' mon Louann, we gotta go to Wal-Mart and get Mama her Christmas present.
1450448;1460471308;phf;mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-ahead_logging
1450449;1460471327;mircea_popescu;;p
1450450;1460471359;phf;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37-GbX3iKbU
1450451;1460471397;mircea_popescu;by now a111 is quite the piece of machinery huh.
1450452;1460471484;mircea_popescu;lol at least they're barefoot. worx.
1450453;1460471628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you get pms rite ?
1450454;1460471723;mircea_popescu;actually come to think of it, http://dpaste.com/2BGGCQE
1450455;1460471952;phf;it gives me an opportunity to exhaustively explore technical questions, so ironically it's a more sophisticated piece of engineering than what i write for day to day
1450456;1460471973;phf;it's definitely not the "fastest" "easiest" "sane" way of doing things
1450457;1460471992;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in a meeting, bbs
1450458;1460472258;mircea_popescu;no rush
1450459;1460472281;mircea_popescu;phf word. goes back to my comment re lisp and rl that nearly started a crusade :D
1450460;1460472301;trinque;kinda how deedbot went, decided I'd go balls deep in common lisp and see what happens
1450461;1460472372;phf;by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so)
1450462;1460472424;mircea_popescu;lol.
1450463;1460472493;mircea_popescu;and on top of which the beauty of wot-access-control, perhaps nto apparent yet, is that if you're hit with something it'll be both complex and readily documented. as opposed to the faux-real-world, where one still gets 90% brute force ssh attempts and crap.
1450464;1460472754;punkman;http://www.postphp.com/namecheap-livechat-social-engineering-leads-to-loss-of-2-vps/
1450465;1460473108;mircea_popescu;heh!
1450466;1460473153;mircea_popescu;and in today's random log link, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-22#841603
1450467;1460473153;a111;Logged on 2014-09-22 23:59 JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
1450468;1460473399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it
1450469;1460473419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting idea, i'd be of more use if i knew ~anything about eulora !
1450470;1460473452;asciilifeform;or hm, looks more general?
1450471;1460473457;mircea_popescu;yes.
1450472;1460473477;mircea_popescu;"there's this open source project which is also a game and they're really into doing a partnership with a cs dept and would you wanna talk to them ?" works neh ?
1450473;1460473740;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450461 << phf remind me again what the hell the up-side of cmucl was
1450474;1460473740;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 14:46 phf: by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so)
1450475;1460473794;asciilifeform;it always struck me as a kind of 'bsd 4' - yes, 'hackable', yes, 'small', but the ~wrong kind of small~, the kind that will balloon into the same megalith as sbcl if you were to add all of the missing but necessary pieces.
1450476;1460473834;phf;what are these "missing but necessary pieces"?
1450477;1460473845;asciilifeform;motherfucking native threads, for one
1450478;1460473860;asciilifeform;i consider a general-purpose language without these, WORTHLESS
1450479;1460473868;phf;well, that's the only one that you keep mentioning, and i heard you about it :)
1450480;1460473915;asciilifeform;there is also the support for various non-x86 boxen
1450481;1460473923;asciilifeform;and, much as folks like to spit on it - unicode.
1450482;1460473930;phf;which cmucl has
1450483;1460473934;asciilifeform;does it?
1450484;1460473937;mircea_popescu;wait, cmucl has no unicode ?
1450485;1460473939;asciilifeform;didn't, last i saw
1450486;1460473996;phf;i think since 2009 or so
1450487;1460474007;asciilifeform;neato
1450488;1460474016;mircea_popescu;im unconvinced multibox support is a good idea. if i am going to run on non-x86, i sure as fuck don't wantall the x86 stuff in there.
1450489;1460474018;mircea_popescu;and vice-versa.
1450490;1460474033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what x86 stuff
1450491;1460474041;phf;sbcl has arm support over cmucl
1450492;1460474043;asciilifeform;i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
1450493;1460474044;phf;but otherwise..
1450494;1460474086;mircea_popescu;mk let's rephrase. if i used a non-x86 box i'd want the thing to be native for that box not an addon to x86.
1450495;1460474101;asciilifeform;i still don't get it
1450496;1460474101;mircea_popescu;this is why i'm even using arm or w/e in the first place.
1450497;1460474106;asciilifeform;what means 'native to' here
1450498;1460474144;phf;mircea_popescu: von neumann machines are a lot more similar than dissimilar. difference between x86 and arm is a very thin layer
1450499;1460474148;mircea_popescu;suppose the language's compiled. the compiler has no reason to know about non-native microcode.
1450500;1460474159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: suppose you want to cross-compile ?
1450501;1460474164;mircea_popescu;suppose i don't.
1450502;1460474169;asciilifeform;and sure, nobody makes you keep the thing around
1450503;1460474177;asciilifeform;you can always run a tree shaker and throw out the src you never intend to use.
1450504;1460474181;asciilifeform;save a few kb of disk !111111
1450505;1460474189;mircea_popescu;security more a concern than disk really.
1450506;1460474195;phf;asciilifeform: i don't think lisps support cross-compilation in general?
1450507;1460474219;asciilifeform;phf: it'd have to be something like sbcl's 'save-lisp-and-die'
1450508;1460474232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the interest of fits-in-head - sure
1450509;1460474243;phf;which is very very narrowly portable
1450510;1460474273;asciilifeform;phf: aha, commonlisp is unfriendly to the notion of an 'exe' in general
1450511;1460474280;asciilifeform;(which imho is the Right Thing)
1450512;1460474287;mircea_popescu;so then what multibox support.
1450513;1460474300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: multibox means that the thing ~can~ be ported to new cpu with minimal sweat
1450514;1460474311;mircea_popescu;and you just admitted you don't want this.
1450515;1460474312;asciilifeform;rather than some mythical 'one exe for all boxes' winblowz claptrap
1450516;1460474319;asciilifeform;waiwut
1450517;1460474344;mircea_popescu;"can be ported to new cpu with minimal sweat" is not distinct from "windows claptrap one exe"
1450518;1460474354;asciilifeform;all i want is for the jit compiler's back-end to be sanely written and not married to x86, and for there to not be weird endian dependencies baked in.
1450519;1460474359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see above.
1450520;1460474362;asciilifeform;this is ALL it means.
1450521;1460474367;mircea_popescu;ah ok, i didn't get what you were saying.
1450522;1460474387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu was probably imagining something like the old crapple 'fat executables' that have 3 sections for 3 cpus
1450523;1460474392;mircea_popescu;pretty sure cmucl's not married to endian-ness. nfi about sanely written tho
1450524;1460474407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, it's been known to happen!
1450525;1460474410;asciilifeform;cmucl won't invoke pthread and as such is not a finished product in my view.
1450526;1460474424;mircea_popescu;yes yews, but to the other two objections you gave.
1450527;1460474429;asciilifeform;(if a lang runs on unix box and can't pthread it is a toy)
1450528;1460474444;phf;that's just empty rhetoric
1450529;1460474463;phf;it runs logs alright ;)
1450530;1460474479;mircea_popescu;lol check out phf with his newly found "fu because battlefield" rhetoric :D
1450531;1460474490;mircea_popescu;rare to see in lispen battle, a deployment of THAT tank division.
1450532;1460474493;asciilifeform;pretty quiet battlefield.
1450533;1460474510;asciilifeform;wait till there is GB/s log demand.
1450534;1460474511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, in geek world the one-girlfriend guy is king.
1450535;1460474526;phf;asciilifeform: threads are the worst possible solution to gb/s log demand
1450536;1460474553;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. what ?
1450537;1460474564;asciilifeform;lack of threads is a sure boat anchor when you get a hang somewhere.
1450538;1460474577;mircea_popescu;i thought lisp exiosts so you don't "Get a hang somewhere"
1450539;1460474588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, but then some bozo added tcp to it
1450540;1460474609;mircea_popescu;so he rewrites the tcp state machine in c, what :D
1450541;1460474633;phf;tcp had non-blocking mode for a very long time
1450542;1460474646;mircea_popescu;but is it with utf ?
1450543;1460474664;phf;against, GB/s is consistently solved with non-blocking non-threads
1450544;1460474827;mircea_popescu;ahh this has been a pleasant convo
1450545;1460474829;phf;there are some arguments now (and some successful projects) that solve gb/s with threads, but this whole idea that threads are a solution to gb/s ~in the compotent circles~ is a novel thing. schedulers are getting better, some patterns emerging, tooling is better etc. people coming out with "perhaps doing it with async is not best option anymore". but for years gb/s was achieved with async, reactor pattern, fork/exec
1450546;1460474921;phf;and yes it has unicode :D
1450547;1460475026;phf;but none is the answer to why cmucl, and i don't think there's one. mostly why not? it's a question of discipline for me, can i move slow and not freak out against deficiencies. i think that "looking for silver bullet" is just a waste of time, and there's no way that i can possibly explore entire cmucl solution space, until a whole new set of base capabilities is required
1450548;1460475105;phf;can always switch to sbcl overnight, harder to switch back, since sbcl like any high profile project attracts, accumulates and integrates cockroaches.
1450549;1460475145;mircea_popescu;compotent ?
1450550;1460475170;mircea_popescu;ah you mean component dontcha
1450551;1460475177;phf;competent
1450552;1460475187;mircea_popescu;ah ah.
1450553;1460475261;asciilifeform;phf: i can actually get behind 'thing needs its ~own~ scheduler, ip stack, nic driver...'
1450554;1460475280;mircea_popescu;anyway, the longstanding rule has been that one can use whathever the fuck one wishes, and reap the benefits of maintenance down the road on their own ass.
1450555;1460475303;asciilifeform;how else.
1450556;1460475315;mircea_popescu;in other news, i planted something that was supposed to be "curry", which i had nfi is even a plant wtf, isn't that a spice mix ?
1450557;1460475331;mircea_popescu;then went and fondled the foot tall guys and omfg my kbd hand and everything smells like curry and im salivating
1450558;1460475428;phf;indian perfume
1450559;1460475532;punkman;curry leaves are common in europe aren't they
1450560;1460475550;mircea_popescu;yeah it's a sort of daisy apparently.
1450561;1460475578;punkman;it's a full on tree iirc
1450562;1460475586;mircea_popescu;no, that's the sweet neem thing.
1450563;1460475597;mircea_popescu;this is just a bushy plant, helichrysum italicum
1450564;1460475623;punkman;oic, guess there's a lot of different ones called curry leaves
1450565;1460475630;asciilifeform;'Then they came to Namecheap where I have a couple of VPS servers, this account also had 2factor SMS authentication required for login. However the hacker opened up a live chat with Namecheap and requested a password reset for the SolusVM VPS panel, at which point, in a massive breach of their security protocols, they sent a plain text email to the comprised address containing both the VPS panel use
1450566;1460475636;asciilifeform;rname (previously unknown to the attacker) and a new password. ' << l0l!!
1450567;1460475645;mircea_popescu;hey, customers have come to expect.
1450568;1460475660;punkman;I don't really like the sweet neem thing, definitely don't use it in currys
1450569;1460475663;mircea_popescu;o, recall the guy that made a passport pic of chetty ?
1450570;1460475666;mircea_popescu;where the fuck was that
1450571;1460475704;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/
1450572;1460475725;asciilifeform;aha, it
1450573;1460475775;mircea_popescu;punkman i'm not advanced enough to mix my own ; generally just get premixed whatever greater minds think fit and proper.
1450574;1460476285;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf didja ever make a bookmarkable log url thing ?
1450575;1460476286;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1450576;1460476761;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450407 << ben_vulpes this is iirc why the thread was so lulzy
1450577;1460476761;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 05:55 ben_vulpes: more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
1450578;1460476811;phf;you mean the recent log bookmarkable url thing?
1450579;1460476859;asciilifeform;it reminds me of a dream i had once, where i was in charge of some kindergarten thing, and a ragged bum knocks on the door, outside - storms, rains, - 'quick, quick, i need to fry in your electric chair!' he gasps. i reply 'sorry, we only have a child-sized one here!' but he persists, squeezes himself in
1450580;1460476889;phf;asciilifeform's dreams are almost kafka stories
1450581;1460478753;phf;;;later tell asciilifeform which bookmarkable log url thing?
1450582;1460478753;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1450583;1460479170;asciilifeform;phf: the one where the logs url should behave sanely, i.e. not redirect to anything but to ~always~ point to the head of the log
1450584;1460479185;asciilifeform;so it can be refreshed on pnohe and similar
1450585;1460480738;phf;i haven't but i'll add it at some point soon. didn't have a bandwidth to hack on anything non-trivial
1450586;1460481851;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6W3US8Luo8
1450587;1460483893;asciilifeform;happy cosmonautics day, folkz
1450588;1460483923;*;shinohai sheds a tear for Yuri.
1450589;1460483943;phf;oh yeah need to call grandma
1450590;1460484648;ben_vulpes;grandma?!
1450591;1460484654;ben_vulpes;phf: just gets cooler and cooler
1450592;1460485027;asciilifeform;>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854 << obligatory
1450593;1460485667;shinohai;But MAH MOON LANDING!!!
1450594;1460486831;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz,
1450595;1460486832;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/XWDvs
1450596;1460486838;asciilifeform;^ not far from where i live
1450597;1460486861;asciilifeform;^ house stood empty for a few months, and copper thieves stole the heat exchanger coil
1450598;1460486994;ben_vulpes;> house stood empty for a few months
1450599;1460486997;ben_vulpes;weird
1450600;1460487055;asciilifeform;why?
1450601;1460487129;ben_vulpes;tisn't how things work in my part of the world.
1450602;1460487145;ben_vulpes;turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
1450603;1460487163;ben_vulpes;or the place is a condemned dump.
1450604;1460487170;ben_vulpes;or it's 2010 and someone walked on a mortgage.
1450605;1460487182;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's been 'for sale' for at least half a year actually.
1450606;1460487206;asciilifeform;and, aside from the item in the picture, is not in any seriously bad shape afaik.
1450607;1460487207;ben_vulpes;even /less/ common.
1450608;1460487255;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: we have houses here that stood empty for years.
1450609;1460487263;ben_vulpes;and not because people price their houses sanely, no. but because apparently all of california is moving here and will buy at any cost.
1450610;1460487274;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: insane
1450611;1460487276;asciilifeform;the city maintains the outside superficially so that it is not obvious immediately which they are.
1450612;1460487283;ben_vulpes;the...city!?
1450613;1460487285;asciilifeform;aha.
1450614;1460487287;ben_vulpes;and not the property owners?!
1450615;1460487296;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: often there is not a known owner
1450616;1460487307;ben_vulpes;then who is selling it
1450617;1460487314;asciilifeform;~this one~ has owner
1450618;1460487315;asciilifeform;presumably.
1450619;1460487317;ben_vulpes;ah.
1450620;1460487324;asciilifeform;the empty for years ones - often, not
1450621;1460487350;ben_vulpes;there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
1450622;1460487380;ben_vulpes;http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
1450623;1460487442;ben_vulpes;portland is about as squatter unfriendly as i've ever seen a city.
1450624;1460493343;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1450625;1460493351;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.53, vol: 6113.25250388 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 7357.76405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.99, vol: 14996.78820558 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 3.08677667 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.266568, vol: 31154.96080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 426.61, vol: 1100.17508599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 429.203115, vol: 43.653074 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1450626;1460493516;asciilifeform;btc-usd moar stable than my mains voltage...
1450627;1460493551;mircea_popescu;cosmonautics day lmao. you people...
1450628;1460493695;BingoBoingo;;;more
1450629;1460493695;gribble;425.273152803
1450630;1460493807;mircea_popescu;lol won space race. ehehehe
1450631;1460493820;mircea_popescu;where did you find the redbeard ?
1450632;1460493885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from, iirc, some ru www. eons ago.
1450633;1460494013;shinohai;So airbnb acquired Changetip. I guess now when people lose 67 cents sleeping on your sofa you can convert it to satoshi right there.
1450634;1460494022;mircea_popescu;dude that copper thieve shit... used ac unit is 200 bucks, contains 8 bucks worth of scavengeable metal.
1450635;1460494036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 8 bux for phreeeee
1450636;1460494048;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if anyone catches these folks, or the buyers, and pours molten copper down their necks
1450637;1460494071;asciilifeform;(or hangs'em high from the hv masts which they - likewise - plunder)
1450638;1460494127;mircea_popescu;still.
1450639;1460494159;asciilifeform;who ever heard of a vermin thinking 'i'ma only make 8 bux but do 10,000 worth of damage, i'd better not' ?
1450640;1460494160;mircea_popescu;see, if ~I~ were running the socialist state, there'd be a tax penalty and a 6 mo administrative (ie, no judge involved) jail sentence for keeping property empty a full quarter.
1450641;1460494208;mircea_popescu;tax penalty = you get no offsets this year. or somesuch. you get bonus next tax bracket. something.
1450642;1460494235;mircea_popescu;shinohai lmao win.
1450643;1460494237;asciilifeform;against whom ? usg's own bank ?
1450644;1460494239;mircea_popescu;great angle for qntra.
1450645;1460494244;asciilifeform;(in virtually all cases, the actual title holder...)
1450646;1460494250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bank clerk in charge of the particular real estate, sure.
1450647;1460494268;mircea_popescu;my socialism sees through corporate pretense. like the damned thing does by default, except in the crazy us implementation.
1450648;1460494294;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that the empty, decaying, plundered properties are ~part of the program~
1450649;1460494302;asciilifeform;it is how they keep the bezzlatronic prices up.
1450650;1460494317;mircea_popescu;yeah, and part and parcel of the explanation as to WHY us "won the space race"
1450651;1460494319;asciilifeform;and a natural outgrowth of 'NO cheap houses, EVER'
1450652;1460494324;mircea_popescu;and every other race, war, confrontation and anything else.
1450653;1460494332;mircea_popescu;fucking addicted to bad resource allocation.
1450654;1460494361;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: didja see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html
1450655;1460494382;ben_vulpes;also iirc copping to fradulent statements in securitization documents
1450656;1460494386;shinohai;^ I almost Qntra'd that today ben_vulpes
1450657;1460494424;asciilifeform;^ guess how many pennies of this will go to the folks ~actually~ shafted (who? the ones who did NOT get phreeeeeee house from obummer's scam)
1450658;1460494431;ben_vulpes;shinohai: what'd the qntra angle be?
1450659;1460494443;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that's not how things work!
1450660;1460494447;asciilifeform;aha.
1450661;1460494464;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha.
1450662;1460494498;shinohai;I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner.
1450663;1460494500;ben_vulpes;AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1450664;1460494507;*;ben_vulpes cackles madly back into the aws java sdk
1450665;1460494510;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes kinda why the whole "usg takes as much from 'coffers' of usg corps as it needs" thing in macroeconomy discussion few days ago.
1450666;1460494528;mircea_popescu;it\s a joke, this "enforcing" mechanism. consists of nothing more than me presenting a signed check to a company i own
1450667;1460494534;mircea_popescu;whatever the fuck i write on it, it's still gonna pay.
1450668;1460494543;asciilifeform;the other observation is that the house-builders and title-holding banks do not need anyone to actually live in the property to make their printolade.
1450669;1460494547;mircea_popescu;shinohai wasn't it 3 months ago ?
1450670;1460494575;asciilifeform;they are perfectly ok with the thing being a permanent 'trading sardine' even as thieves rip out the copper pipes.
1450671;1460494623;mircea_popescu;like everything else in that country. this stuff is painfully visible, and so ridiculous on some level.
1450672;1460494636;mircea_popescu;but the sad fact is that most us companies' stock in trade is "intellectual property"
1450673;1460494642;mircea_popescu;mostly, lists of various things nobody cares about.
1450674;1460494643;asciilifeform;gogol's 'dead souls'.
1450675;1460494655;mircea_popescu;it's no coincidence that all the us "culture" can produce is "10 ways to bla bla".
1450676;1460494662;mircea_popescu;it's really all it's about.
1450677;1460494807;asciilifeform;10 wayz to write 10 waiz list !1111
1450678;1460494832;phf;journalists hate it!
1450679;1460494856;asciilifeform;learn the trick trick learnerz haet!1111
1450680;1460494882;mircea_popescu;10 sick ways to better health.
1450681;1460494899;mircea_popescu;;;google carlin is the greatest and "how to make money renting out the space inside your nose"
1450682;1460494900;gribble;George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube: ; Humor - Quotes - BG Info: ; dumb questions - things that make you go hmmm - Corsinet:
1450683;1460495311;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/I6EUXwo.jpg <<< looking for pron, find Stalin on the subway instead.
1450684;1460496599;mircea_popescu;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854&cpage=1#comment-2720 << if you recall, someone did. a humorless german dude, and as a result italy gets to fraudulently claim it's a "nation" and "part of europe", rather than the arab brothel sicily was leading it towards throughout the middle ages (which, there, last until 1960 and after)
1450685;1460496629;mircea_popescu;possibly the worst political cock-up of all time, trying to empirebuild with italians.
1450686;1460496641;mircea_popescu;and then the dumbass germans went and TRIED IT AGAIN!
1450687;1460496701;mircea_popescu;(and since we're discussing german firsts - the fucking reason steak's so good today is that well... ww1 germanz needed leather, imported as much as argentina could produce. so it begun.)
1450688;1460497026;phf;asciilifeform: http://www.hack.org/mc/mgr/ a very unixy x11 alternative, the windowing protocol is essentially escape codes back and forth
1450689;1460497099;asciilifeform;'If you want to compare MGR to the X Window System, you might consider the MGR server as something like a combination of an X server + window manager + xterm, but with xterm's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation and its DEC VT100 emulation in the same window.' << looks to me like it is of archaeological interest solely
1450690;1460497193;asciilifeform;1.1MB TGZ of src !11 this does not appear to be in any serious way 'lighter' or more fits-in-head-sy than x11.
1450691;1460497221;asciilifeform;and it appears that i could not push arbitrary moving pictures through it, or use 'ratpoison'
1450692;1460497225;asciilifeform;ergo useless.
1450693;1460497260;asciilifeform;if it were 50kB of c, it might've been intriguing.
1450694;1460497345;asciilifeform;here's an observation,
1450695;1460497358;asciilifeform;symbolics co. sold quite a few boxes ~the only~ UI to which was x11 over the lan.
1450696;1460497366;asciilifeform;there was literally ~nothing~ that beat this, then.
1450697;1460497369;asciilifeform;and there is STILL not.
1450698;1460497390;asciilifeform;note, these were lispms, and they implemented x protocol.
1450699;1460497394;asciilifeform;just for the ui.
1450700;1460497429;asciilifeform;this was so that buyer could use, e.g., a 'sun', as a console
1450701;1460497441;asciilifeform;instead of buying a symbolics console for the cost of a 'toyota'
1450702;1460497468;asciilifeform;but somehow the company's reputation as 'evil vendor of closed $maxint machinery' did not thereby perish.
1450703;1460497510;asciilifeform;(the fact that virtually ALL of their products shipped WITH SOURCE, also somehow did not affect it)
1450704;1460497658;mircea_popescu;odd how reputation works [in wotless worlds]
1450705;1460497719;asciilifeform;who can fully apprehend that 30 MOTHERFUCKING YEARS was not enough to make ANY notable improvement on xwindows?!!!!111
1450706;1460497814;asciilifeform;(as discussed in an old mircea_popescu thread, there ~is~ room for improvement.)
1450707;1460497878;asciilifeform;but it ~blows my mind~ that, in world where there is an x11, idiot derps for DECADES successfully peddled 'remote desktop' atrocities
1450708;1460498032;BingoBoingo; I didn't figure out an angle for it, therefore left it to simmer on back burner. << maybe start writing, see if an angle emerges?
1450709;1460500125;phf;asciilifeform: of course it is of archaeological interest, jeez have to make disclaimers on links, else get wall of logs ;)
1450710;1460500192;ben_vulpes;i liked that particular WAL
1450711;1460500350;mircea_popescu;lol!
1450712;1460500456;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated news, h heine is an utter shithead.
1450713;1460500562;phf;speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
1450714;1460500562;phf;or Qt’. That’s amazingly frustrating and just adds noise to the internet." http://www.shiningrocksoftware.com/2016-04-09-thoughts-on-linux/
1450715;1460500602;mircea_popescu;deprecated my foot.
1450716;1460500615;mircea_popescu;eulora uses opengl, and that's ~100% of all linux gaming.
1450717;1460500633;phf;well, they deprecated gnupg, they can deprecate x11. people on linux!
1450718;1460500647;mircea_popescu;this derpage, i swear.
1450719;1460500665;mircea_popescu;let me guess, it was "community consensus" on reddit, on the basis of their locally mutated gavin and some "experts" they consulted.
1450720;1460500702;mircea_popescu;srsly tho, do a search for linux gaming one day, you'll fall over.
1450721;1460500709;mircea_popescu;it's like 1989 never came.
1450722;1460500741;shinohai;BingoBoingo: been trying to take your advice and do just that, write crap for no good reason
1450723;1460500748;shinohai;though no blog yet.
1450724;1460500936;BingoBoingo;shinohai: It's the only way to learn. I discovered that when I took mircea_popescu's advice and started writing crap.
1450725;1460501072;phf;mircea_popescu: nethack
1450726;1460501080;phf;oh wait, right 1989
1450727;1460501144;shinohai;Only reasonable way I know to acquire shares/Bitcoins to hoard. Unless go back to reddit and suck ass for changetip.
1450728;1460501151;mircea_popescu;phf right ?
1450729;1460501161;mircea_popescu;shinohai he has a point ; there's no other way than practice.
1450730;1460501236;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You had that point before I did.
1450731;1460501564;shinohai;anywho am grateful for the opportunity to contribute somewhat.
1450732;1460501638;BingoBoingo;Keep coming back. It works when you work it.
1450733;1460501935;shinohai;SO it appears the airbnb/changetip deal doesn't involve the changetip codebase.
1450734;1460501958;shinohai;Solid use of that 3.5 million in funding for sure, no one wants the shit.
1450735;1460501973;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450713 << gtk & sdl ride happily on top of x...
1450736;1460501973;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
1450737;1460502090;phf;freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
1450738;1460502091;asciilifeform;and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box'
1450739;1460502122;mircea_popescu;phf very much so aha.
1450740;1460502130;mircea_popescu;not a bad strategy either, it got ustards off cars.
1450741;1460502142;mircea_popescu;"nobody could understand what's inside the engine"
1450742;1460502166;deedbot-;[Qntra] FBI Investigates Soup Can Heist - http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-investigates-soup-can-heist/
1450743;1460502184;BingoBoingo;^ From the "of course" file
1450744;1460502464;phf;fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
1450745;1460502480;asciilifeform;the microshitifucation of linux will not be truly complete until users have to grunt with 'remote desktop' idiocy
1450746;1460502521;asciilifeform;phf: even gtk apps work fine on gigabit lan
1450747;1460502564;asciilifeform;i routinely use, e.g., ida pro under 'wine' over x11 over tcp.
1450748;1460502655;ben_vulpes;the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows that also does all of the linux syscalls
1450749;1460504023;mats;in progress
1450750;1460504046;mats;i'm curious what is going to happen with the syscalls that don't map cleanly
1450751;1460504147;ben_vulpes;yes in progress that's why i bring it up
1450752;1460504360;phf;mats: i think they are going the linux-in-userspace route
1450753;1460504415;phf;so they have a linux kernel manage the processes, and then they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
1450754;1460504443;phf;they could probably make it as intrusive as they want
1450755;1460504747;mats;i don't think so
1450756;1460504758;mats;they're bringing back the 'personalities' feature
1450757;1460504792;asciilifeform;or they could buy & enslave 'cygwin', which was this already.
1450758;1460504803;shinohai;BingoBoingo: perhaps can use: http://ix.io/wpc
1450759;1460504804;mats;what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls
1450760;1460504819;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty
1450761;1460505189;mats;phf: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers
1450762;1460505193;phf;asciilifeform: i don't think cygwin translates syscalls, it was more of half-baked mingw
1450763;1460505304;mats;http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/543542/Windows-x-system-service-hooks-and-advanced-debu << this was kinda neat
1450764;1460505329;phf;mats: ah, so that makes sense
1450765;1460505409;mats;i don't understand what kind of strategic advantage they see in this
1450766;1460505550;mats;TIL you can hook syscall returns from usermode
1450767;1460506263;deedbot-;[Qntra] ChangeTip The Company Bought, ChangeTip The Product Still For Sale. - http://qntra.net/2016/04/changetip-the-company-bought-changetip-the-product-still-for-sale/
1450768;1460506350;ben_vulpes;man that's derpy even for airbnb
1450769;1460506360;ben_vulpes;which by the way i use regularly to great effect
1450770;1460506442;asciilifeform;phf: i beg to differ- i had not only x11 built under cygwin long ago (at usg gig!) but ratpoison, firefox, 1,001 unmodified linux proggies
1450771;1460506657;phf;asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~?
1450772;1460507237;mats;standard vc money laundering behavior, no?
1450773;1460507303;mircea_popescu;kik dualboot from redmond itself!
1450774;1460507350;mircea_popescu;mats> what i remember from the BUILD keynote about this is there's an ELF loader and translate syscalls << then alf wants to know what i mean about http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450492
1450775;1460507350;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 15:14 asciilifeform: i do not rightfully apprehend mircea_popescu's observation here
1450776;1460507428;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the fact you use them shows just how badly oyu have it. there's also people who use tampons / shit bags to great effect. we call these people women / the pope, and dun wanna be them.
1450777;1460507436;mod6;lol @ literotica silent fixing.
1450778;1460507457;mircea_popescu;hey mod6 can you be persuaded to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
1450779;1460507460;asciilifeform; asciilifeform: unmodified linux ~binaries~? << no, built locally. but unmodified SOURCES
1450780;1460507460;mircea_popescu;i need moar datapoints.
1450781;1460507473;mod6;yeah. sure.
1450782;1460507483;mircea_popescu;meet me in town ima give you the gear needed
1450783;1460507532;asciilifeform; which by the way i use regularly to great effect << aha, recall, i even used 'uber'
1450784;1460507536;phf;asciilifeform: well, precisely. they are talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall translation. not something cygwin supports
1450785;1460507542;asciilifeform;phf: ah
1450786;1460507548;asciilifeform;yeah this'd be something else
1450787;1460507564;phf;this is evil, evil incarnate, i tell ya
1450788;1460507573;mats;if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
1450789;1460507577;asciilifeform;but what i was pointing out was that building unmodified (sourcewise) linux proggies to run on shitblowz was baked long, long ago
1450790;1460507612;mircea_popescu;mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
1450791;1460507644;shinohai;KEK
1450792;1460507651;asciilifeform;mats: do you fire the kalash every day ? how about the electron microscope ?
1450793;1460507665;mats;i don't look forward to the prospect of marriage
1450794;1460507679;asciilifeform;how about the frag ?
1450795;1460507680;mats;but... filial piety and all that.
1450796;1460507684;asciilifeform;do you pull the pin every day??
1450797;1460507694;mats;i thought you hate driving?
1450798;1460507702;asciilifeform;i very much do.
1450799;1460507746;*;shinohai takes tacis everywhere.
1450800;1460507752;shinohai;*taxis
1450801;1460507761;mats;uber's classic service (that is, the 'black car' bidness it was before servicing plebs with 'uberx', 'uberpool', etc) is still good
1450802;1460507764;asciilifeform;mats: but i can't really separate the reason for hating it from my hatred of working.
1450803;1460507811;mats;the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
1450804;1460507818;asciilifeform;if i only ever drove to places where i actually ~wanted~ to be, i might not hate it.
1450805;1460507827;mircea_popescu;this because 99% of people who currently own cars shouldn't own as much as a pocket knife.
1450806;1460507870;asciilifeform;perhaps this is when to point out that they do not in fact ~own~ the things
1450807;1460507873;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu knew this.
1450808;1460507886;mircea_popescu;hey he was discussing ownersheep!
1450809;1460507903;asciilifeform;(the typical modern auto is built to fall apart within 1% or somesuch of the day the credit is paid off)
1450810;1460507973;*;asciilifeform goes ~100km on a typical day
1450811;1460508080;mod6;mircea_popescu: alright, building
1450812;1460508108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450744 << this fucking gradient business omfg...
1450813;1460508108;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
1450814;1460508140;mircea_popescu;it's like every [unemployable shithead] got all excited about "omaigerd - i know how i'll justify not doing any it work - GRADIENTS !! AWESOME!!!" in like 2002
1450815;1460508157;mircea_popescu;i've been waiting for the idiocy to blow over ever since and it just fucking won't
1450816;1460508169;mircea_popescu;it's now part and parcel of what the idiots have come to expect or some stupid shit.
1450817;1460508213;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i want gradients like i want the "clever" ustard namespace. o woe what the fuck will i do without "laundromat" and "chuck e cheese" !!1
1450818;1460508222;mircea_popescu;such glorious victories of ~world~ culture!
1450819;1460508225;phf;"new and improved gui framework" "what can it do?" "prettier, modern gradients, better than last year's tired gradients"
1450820;1460508237;mircea_popescu;it'd be funny if it weren't literally exact.
1450821;1460508445;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: thinks i don't know how poorly this place is set up, haw
1450822;1460508482;ben_vulpes;very much yes i would rather stay with some kindly grandmother i've never met than the roach motel up the street.
1450823;1460508724;mod6;i always thought the airbnb thing was so weird.
1450824;1460508733;mod6;i couldn't do it
1450825;1460508888;*;asciilifeform long wondered why there is not the next logical step for uber & airbnb - 'restaurant' where you show up to somebody's house and he cooks for you
1450826;1460508895;mod6;haha
1450827;1460508905;mircea_popescu;isn't this what mistress is traditionally ?
1450828;1460508915;asciilifeform;and of course there is the inevitable whoring app, but that'd have to use coin and is still waiting for wot folk to do it
1450829;1460508916;mircea_popescu;maybe it should be called Ho-Tel
1450830;1460508942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no i meant anonymous you-can-be-anybody-so-long-as-you-got-dough sort of thing
1450831;1460508949;mod6;"come over, my wife will cook you dinner, fuck you, and bathe you. $42.95"
1450832;1460508950;asciilifeform;y'know, like an illegal taxi
1450833;1460508956;phf;yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
1450834;1460508967;mircea_popescu;mod6 ftr that was about 50% of italian GDP throughout the past 1500 or so years.
1450835;1460508989;*;mod6 packs his bags for florance
1450836;1460508996;mircea_popescu;you mean deflorence.
1450837;1460509005;mod6;haha, yea, there
1450838;1460509018;asciilifeform;iirc serviceable chix cost 4figs in most of usaschwitz
1450839;1460509023;asciilifeform;so no fiddybux deal.
1450840;1460509042;asciilifeform;unless you want to use a blindfold
1450841;1460509050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform blindfold included.
1450842;1460509051;asciilifeform;like british sailors, eating their maggoty biscuits
1450843;1460509060;mircea_popescu;enough with this kulak high falootin.
1450844;1460509069;asciilifeform;l0l
1450845;1460509070;mircea_popescu;no derp left behiney!
1450846;1460509072;mod6;4figs? depends on how many teef she has
1450847;1460509092;mircea_popescu;mod6 for lack of whorexperience he puts the gals on this pedestal.
1450848;1460509105;asciilifeform;as many teeth, that many benjies, price!
1450849;1460509118;mod6;yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
1450850;1460509121;mircea_popescu;the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
1450851;1460509135;mod6;bang you for $20 + a taco
1450852;1460509147;mircea_popescu;the usd, backed by half-n-half.
1450853;1460509153;asciilifeform;yeah but then you bang something that bangs for 20+taco
1450854;1460509170;mircea_popescu;you got it backwards.
1450855;1460509181;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is what fat ugly dumb cunts use to exploit your kind, alfie.
1450856;1460509184;mod6;hey, think of it this way, you can shag every work day for half a days labor + a taco
1450857;1460509185;mircea_popescu;it doesn't MEAN anything.
1450858;1460509191;asciilifeform;waiwut
1450859;1460509209;asciilifeform;mod6: you can also eat 'chocolate' from the pharmacy, aha
1450860;1460509209;mircea_popescu;"something that bangs for 20+taco" in your statement does NOT evaluate to anything.
1450861;1460509216;asciilifeform;and drink some 'beer'
1450862;1460509219;asciilifeform;(that is mostly pisswater)
1450863;1460509222;mircea_popescu;there is no such "something".
1450864;1460509237;asciilifeform;well just as there is no 'american beer', there are only concrete pisswaters
1450865;1460509242;asciilifeform;but all meaningfully related.
1450866;1460509249;mircea_popescu;could be queen of the whores, or rando feminist. the future does NOT reach into the past to rearrange it somehow magically.
1450867;1460509256;mircea_popescu;it's an untouchable, absolute barrier.
1450868;1460509270;asciilifeform;naturalist cannot afford to treat every blade of grass as a particular!
1450869;1460509277;asciilifeform;gotta form hypothesis.
1450870;1460509289;mircea_popescu;besides the point. this strawman won't work any better than all the previous ones.
1450871;1460509302;mircea_popescu;the objection t oyour broken mental process isn't that you generalize unwarrantedly.
1450872;1460509304;asciilifeform;this sophism won't work better than all the previous ones either, l0l
1450873;1460509314;*;asciilifeform straps on gas mask
1450874;1460509317;mircea_popescu;it's that you attempt to re-value the item in quiestion [woman] by future considerations [the sort that will have done X[
1450875;1460509321;mircea_popescu;this is not how it works.
1450876;1460509337;mircea_popescu;whatever she sucks&fucks for, she's exactgly the same object.
1450877;1460509346;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu proposes that i cannot infer anything interesting from the fact that chick fucks for 20bux ?
1450878;1460509351;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1450879;1460509352;asciilifeform;anything useful at all?
1450880;1460509358;mircea_popescu;and in general, you can never use this mechanism, ever.
1450881;1460509364;mircea_popescu;you use it plenty, and the results are always crapolade.
1450882;1460509372;mod6;i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
1450883;1460509383;asciilifeform;let's try different profession. can mircea_popescu infer anything from the fact that mr joe programmer writes entire project for 200 bux ?
1450884;1460509392;asciilifeform;anything useful at all?
1450885;1460509393;mircea_popescu;mod6 or you can offer her 150 and unless she smells sucker she'll go for it.
1450886;1460509411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're yet to make 200 bux for tmsr work.
1450887;1460509411;mod6;sure, put in a bid. see if some takers. always a solid bet.
1450888;1460509423;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i said 200, specifically not 0
1450889;1460509431;asciilifeform;plenty of folks allah snackbar into small pieces for 0.
1450890;1460509432;mircea_popescu;fine, i'll buy you a steak.
1450891;1460509434;asciilifeform;but nobody - for 200.
1450892;1460509479;mod6;actually, i'd bet there are folks, even here, that would do small spec'd out work for .50000000
1450893;1460509480;mircea_popescu;this is such trite nominalism. if they'll do it for 0, 200 bux really is not here or there.
1450894;1460509482;asciilifeform;i am somewhat floored that mircea_popescu appears to think whoring to be exempt from ordinary market mechanisms!
1450895;1460509492;asciilifeform;2000 car is quite different from 200,000
1450896;1460509494;mircea_popescu;that is yet another strawman.
1450897;1460509508;asciilifeform;but cheap whore is precisely same as expensive?!
1450898;1460509511;asciilifeform;how strawman ?
1450899;1460509518;mircea_popescu;i do not think whoring is extempt from market mechanisms. i KNOW that what you misrepresent as "market mechanisms" is pure usg ideology and has not ever SEEN a market.
1450900;1460509548;mircea_popescu;ie, this "item is bad because it was cheap" nonsense is ONLY THERE to prop up the "item is good because was expensive" idiocy.
1450901;1460509555;mircea_popescu;neither of these are market related. they're pure ustardia.
1450902;1460509568;asciilifeform;is mircea_popescu telling me that 'expensive whore' is 'veblen good' ? (if he is, i will believe him, i know ~as much re whoring as about deep ocean currents)
1450903;1460509578;mircea_popescu;she's not made of fucking soap!
1450904;1460509590;asciilifeform;i did not say 'sucks because high mileage'
1450905;1460509591;mircea_popescu;doesn't wear down with use.
1450906;1460509597;asciilifeform;but because why doesn't the high-quality one charge moar
1450907;1460509600;mircea_popescu;yes but wtf is she going to charge 1k for ?
1450908;1460509604;mircea_popescu;think for a moment. she does 4 an hour.
1450909;1460509619;mircea_popescu;whose work is in SUCH high demand specifically that they HAVE TO charge 4k an hour to control the herds ?
1450910;1460509622;asciilifeform;for there being a queue 25km long, vs the fiddybux whore's 1km ?
1450911;1460509630;asciilifeform;thin the queue, make moar?
1450912;1460509633;mircea_popescu;all i ever seen were whores queuing
1450913;1460509642;mircea_popescu;seeing how erection still only item in short supply in sex market
1450914;1460509647;mircea_popescu;where did you see dudes queing to cunt ?
1450915;1460509649;asciilifeform;this is still a mega-puzzler
1450916;1460509658;phf;i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
1450917;1460509666;mircea_popescu;except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
1450918;1460509670;asciilifeform;erection is literally cheapest thing in known earth.
1450919;1460509695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the soviets thought "satellite launch cheapest- costs nothing"
1450920;1460509698;mircea_popescu;yeah, while empire lasts.
1450921;1460509705;mircea_popescu;erection is hard and difficult and lasts but a trifle.
1450922;1460509712;mircea_popescu;cunt's wet for 40 years straight.
1450923;1460509712;mod6;death is free
1450924;1460509738;mircea_popescu;phf i know from experience pretty much EVERY escort, even those who charge 1-2-5k to corporate accounts, actually work for 1-200 ish.
1450925;1460509744;asciilifeform;the 'rare erection' thing is only even possible to picture if you discount the billion frustrated teenagers walking around hard 24/7
1450926;1460509750;mircea_popescu;similarly, plumber will charge you 4500 if you're paying, why not.
1450927;1460509773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
1450928;1460509793;phf;mircea_popescu: exactly
1450929;1460509794;mircea_popescu;in sane countries happens around 10th grade, but ustardia is its own world.
1450930;1460509817;asciilifeform;i dun get this, a healthy bloke reloads in 10, 20 (if he shoveled dirt all day) min.
1450931;1460509829;mircea_popescu;once.
1450932;1460509851;mircea_popescu;and no, shoveled dirt all day bloke does fine, good blood. office twerp, not so fine.
1450933;1460509857;mircea_popescu;but anyway. once. and then ? she's still there.
1450934;1460509942;phf;there's no shortage of stamina in the head
1450935;1460509972;mod6;anyway, my point was, if you wanna fuck, no need to drop a stack.
1450936;1460510048;asciilifeform;mod6: if you're young/pretty you can fuck for phreeee, sure
1450937;1460510082;mircea_popescu;for women you mean ?
1450938;1460510087;asciilifeform;anybody
1450939;1460510094;mod6;well, there's always "phreeee". but... just sayin, you don't need to spend $1k. $100 is a long way from $1000
1450940;1460510103;mircea_popescu;not really. young boys have a terrible time. nigh on impossible for old women.
1450941;1460510106;mircea_popescu;maybe if they're very careful.
1450942;1460510119;mircea_popescu;meanwhile if you keep in decent shape, you're good till you finally lose interest
1450943;1460510121;mircea_popescu;w/e that it.
1450944;1460510123;mircea_popescu;is&
1450945;1460510142;phf;wasn't lafond talking how the older he gets the more attention he gets
1450946;1460510152;asciilifeform;the man was a boxer!
1450947;1460510154;mircea_popescu;im not so sure how far i trust his self-evals, but anyway
1450948;1460510158;asciilifeform;certainly didn't rot in no office.
1450949;1460510163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat".
1450950;1460510188;*;asciilifeform has deeply nfi, will believe mircea_popescu.
1450951;1460510201;mircea_popescu;it's not a good athlete.
1450952;1460510207;mircea_popescu;ex-runner, you got something. ex swimmer.
1450953;1460510213;mircea_popescu;olympics anything generally.
1450954;1460510222;mircea_popescu;but not us football / boxing / hockey etc.
1450955;1460510239;phf;that's like those office "college quarterbacker" guys, almost always in the worst shape, particularly since delusional about past achievements
1450956;1460510356;phf;can be challenged to feats of athleticism when drunk with predictably sad results
1450957;1460510400;mircea_popescu;heh
1450958;1460511827;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok i made you a thing
1450959;1460511884;mod6;actually 54 of 'em @ 181q
1450960;1460512392;mircea_popescu;trade me mod6
1450961;1460513023;jurov;z/znc clearallchannelbuffers
1450962;1460513048;jurov;doh
1450963;1460513878;mod6;ah sorry, got distracted.
1450964;1460515604;mircea_popescu;btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?
1450965;1460516294;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat". << His pictures seem to acurately represent his self declared 50 or so pounds over fighting weight.
1450966;1460516637;mircea_popescu;a ? never seen any pix
1450967;1460516937;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He has some author photos on Amazon and places he guest writes.
1450968;1460516981;mircea_popescu;a ok
1450969;1460517302;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/dragons-tale-a-bitcoin-linux-mmorpg/ << checkj out what i dug up
1450970;1460517644;trinque;$gettrust mike_c
1450971;1460517645;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 5 by 2 connections.
1450972;1460517654;trinque;mike_c: you want a postgresql connection?
1450973;1460517668;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-investigates-soup-can-heist/ << ok i lollered :D
1450974;1460517703;trinque;mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
1450975;1460517715;mircea_popescu;wow is that actually practical ?
1450976;1460517728;trinque;sure, he's in my WoT, happy to grant him access to some tables
1450977;1460517774;mircea_popescu;hm. i wonder why this isn't more often done then ?
1450978;1460517792;mircea_popescu;i mean, make him a user, give it select priviledges, done.
1450979;1460517806;trinque;exactly
1450980;1460517821;mircea_popescu;basically once bdb is killed in bitcoin we can just have a standared tmsr db and just do this ?
1450981;1460517891;trinque;I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
1450982;1460517896;trinque;but makes a hell of a lot of sense
1450983;1460517918;mircea_popescu;at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
1450984;1460517927;mircea_popescu;"to the users' perceived needs".
1450985;1460517957;mircea_popescu;i'd sure as fuck trade in html soup in exchange for sql.
1450986;1460517957;trinque;may its hellish syntax hold the line
1450987;1460517961;trinque;yep
1450988;1460517964;mircea_popescu;and this is even before any flash blabla.
1450989;1460517997;mircea_popescu;i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
1450990;1460518193;trinque;there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db
1450991;1460518213;trinque;wot seems to solve that, and is exactly the reason I'm willing to open the db to mike_c
1450992;1460518286;trinque;but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
1450993;1460518292;asciilifeform;this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'
1450994;1460518366;trinque;I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
1450995;1460518804;trinque;further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
1450996;1460518859;trinque;there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
1450997;1460519585;mod6;mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 << these are the real deals 'eh?
1450998;1460519585;a111;Logged on 2014-07-16 17:44 mike_c: need zocchi dice
1450999;1460519655;trinque;mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
1451000;1460519679;trinque;and ftr, the dream described above *would be a motherfucking database*
1451001;1460519682;trinque;lol
1451002;1460519775;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1450999 << ip?! invitation for mitm?
1451003;1460519775;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
1451004;1460519790;trinque;and what the fuck is rss
1451005;1460519973;trinque;I am entirely willing to do a shitty thing that doesn't kill me while I am waiting for something else.
1451006;1460520314;trinque;y'know like being on IRC
1451007;1460521853;trinque;doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
1451008;1460522077;trinque;then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations
1451009;1460522315;mats;$12 a blowjob is an odd number
1451010;1460522316;deedbot;$12 a blowjob is an odd number is not a command.
1451011;1460522328;mats;oh hello there
1451012;1460522339;trinque;lol
1451013;1460522378;mats;$20, even $10, i get it, but $12?
1451014;1460522378;deedbot;$20, even $10, i get it, but $12? is not a command.
1451015;1460523259;ben_vulpes;i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
1451016;1460523281;ben_vulpes;shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
1451017;1460523323;ben_vulpes;not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite'
1451018;1460523478;ben_vulpes;(a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know)
1451019;1460523679;trinque;neat
1451020;1460523716;ben_vulpes;notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep
1451021;1460524636;mod6;heheh
1451022;1460524739;trinque;the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
1451023;1460524766;trinque;certainly in both cases before/after is what matters, not necessarily *when*
1451024;1460524772;trinque;and who, of course
1451025;1460525390;mircea_popescu;trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
1451026;1460525397;mircea_popescu;literotica recent thing being a lulzy point in case
1451027;1460525403;mircea_popescu;even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz.
1451028;1460525411;mircea_popescu;(yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently)
1451029;1460525479;mircea_popescu;trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
1451030;1460525670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
1451031;1460525712;mircea_popescu;mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
1451032;1460525862;mircea_popescu;trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
1451033;1460525862;a111;Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
1451034;1460526122;trinque;that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
1451035;1460526143;*;trinque to bed
1451036;1460538231;punkman;https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
1451037;1460546305;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol
1451038;1460546305;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
1451039;1460547682;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wz7
1451040;1460547683;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451041;1460549887;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036 <<
1451042;1460549887;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
1451043;1460549898;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1451044;1460549919;asciilifeform;Run Moar Whitened RNG!!
1451045;1460549983;asciilifeform;also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.
1451046;1460550154;shinohai;Here's one to make you cringe asciilifeform https://github.com/davidapple/davemail
1451047;1460550174;shinohai;Because we need more secure javascript
1451048;1460550192;asciilifeform;shinohai: snore.
1451049;1460550230;shinohai;>.>
1451050;1460550545;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this.
1451051;1460550545;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
1451052;1460550591;asciilifeform;if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end.
1451053;1460550642;asciilifeform;but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'.
1451054;1460550691;asciilifeform;what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...
1451055;1460550719;asciilifeform;such a thing can only exist as a ritual of empire, consider where we got GMT.
1451056;1460550954;jurov;eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
1451057;1460550986;shinohai;Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
1451058;1460550998;asciilifeform;jurov: good luck observing same events from north and south hemi
1451059;1460551080;jurov;stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
1451060;1460551103;jurov;like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
1451061;1460551107;jurov;*both
1451062;1460551119;asciilifeform;go sync naval chronometer to that.
1451063;1460551124;punkman;relevant https://science.slashdot.org/story/11/05/11/1745213/government-funded-atomic-clock-on-a-chip
1451064;1460551149;asciilifeform;punkman: ancient news, there is one in the museum where i live
1451065;1460551181;jurov;asciilifeform: +- hour accuracy is still usable
1451066;1460551213;asciilifeform;+- day is still 'usable' somewhere.
1451067;1460551273;asciilifeform;at any rate, thread was about 'absolute time', counted from some agreed-upon zero
1451068;1460551542;jurov;what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist?
1451069;1460551570;jurov;when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too?
1451070;1460551578;asciilifeform;yes.
1451071;1460551658;*;asciilifeform bbl
1451072;1460551706;jurov;so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
1451073;1460552143;jurov;everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
1451074;1460552767;punkman;wut
1451075;1460555926;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] BitBet receivership third progress report - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report
1451076;1460557341;mircea_popescu;$up davout
1451077;1460557411;mircea_popescu;i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
1451078;1460557411;a111;Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
1451079;1460557411;a111;Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
1451080;1460557486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation.
1451081;1460557497;mircea_popescu;there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time"
1451082;1460557503;mircea_popescu;not anymore than there exists "fuckability"
1451083;1460557577;mircea_popescu;jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
1451084;1460557594;mircea_popescu;plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
1451085;1460557609;mircea_popescu;they're all the same thing, these.
1451086;1460557823;mircea_popescu;jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
1451087;1460557854;mircea_popescu;which is why http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448711
1451088;1460557854;a111;Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
1451089;1460557928;mircea_popescu;jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
1451090;1460557972;mircea_popescu;which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
1451091;1460558334;mircea_popescu;and in perhaps-interesting news, https://github.com/oftn/TPFS
1451092;1460558440;mircea_popescu;apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other
1451093;1460558935;mircea_popescu;and in which line, wtf is "racket" omfg.
1451094;1460558948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended
1451095;1460558962;asciilifeform;pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true.
1451096;1460558984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
1451097;1460558986;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish
1451098;1460558989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha.
1451099;1460559011;mircea_popescu;https://racket-lang.org/ << check it out cocacolambda!
1451100;1460559014;mircea_popescu;or was that pepsi
1451101;1460559037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scheme with haskellisms bolted on
1451102;1460559039;asciilifeform;'crazy shitstick'
1451103;1460559074;asciilifeform;(never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on)
1451104;1460559338;mircea_popescu;basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
1451105;1460559350;mircea_popescu;but anyway, asciilifeform anything re little scheme ?
1451106;1460559365;asciilifeform;waiwut
1451107;1460559390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450421
1451108;1460559390;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
1451109;1460559397;asciilifeform;ah
1451110;1460559405;mircea_popescu;you know... LITTLE SCHEME :D
1451111;1460559419;asciilifeform;is there something other than the logz where it lives ?
1451112;1460559422;asciilifeform;that i can link to?
1451113;1460559427;asciilifeform;then i can write to some folks.
1451114;1460559439;mircea_popescu;i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
1451115;1460559445;asciilifeform;yeah.
1451116;1460559453;mircea_popescu;happy to remedy, describe defects plox.
1451117;1460559454;asciilifeform;not the logz, that is
1451118;1460559462;asciilifeform;the oldsters
1451119;1460559464;mircea_popescu;oh.
1451120;1460559472;mircea_popescu;well... advise and if doable we do.
1451121;1460559485;asciilifeform;perhaps write up idea in a ps0t
1451122;1460559516;mircea_popescu;did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ?
1451123;1460559518;asciilifeform;(not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...)
1451124;1460559520;mircea_popescu;(ie, prev art ?)
1451125;1460559645;asciilifeform;gossipd article was pretty much complete
1451126;1460559649;asciilifeform;esp. if you count the commentz
1451127;1460559656;asciilifeform;i'd take that as a gold standard.
1451128;1460559670;mircea_popescu;lol prev art for req';d trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads ;/
1451129;1460559680;mircea_popescu;anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see.
1451130;1460563172;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ethereum Foundation Outsources Forum To Censorship Experiment - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ethereum-foundation-outsources-forum-to-censorship-experiment/
1451131;1460563187;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Thank you again.
1451132;1460563222;shinohai;thx as well BingoBoingo I never miss an opportunity to lol at ETH
1451133;1460563225;asciilifeform;dip 2.51 % is 'freefall' ??
1451134;1460563245;shinohai;"in last 24 hours alone"
1451135;1460563327;mats;use a more impressive number
1451136;1460563484;mircea_popescu;hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop
1451137;1460563488;mircea_popescu;china, similar.
1451138;1460563494;mats;30% drop over two weeks!1
1451139;1460563510;mircea_popescu;or that.
1451140;1460563846;*;asciilifeform is still thinking about mircea_popescu's revelation re whore pricing
1451141;1460563859;asciilifeform;it echoes the price mechanics of, e.g., industrial equipment
1451142;1460563870;asciilifeform;and other items i'm more familiar with
1451143;1460563903;asciilifeform;e.g., same instrument but 'to corporate account' grows 2-3 new leading zeroes
1451144;1460564829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/ any good ?
1451145;1460564876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ?
1451146;1460564889;*;asciilifeform reads mircea_popescu's thing
1451147;1460564893;mircea_popescu;whore is a lot more selective, similarly, and demanding, similarly.
1451148;1460564894;asciilifeform;what's a tgi
1451149;1460564902;mircea_popescu;;;ud tgi tuesdays
1451150;1460564903;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t.g.i.f.+tuesday | ... Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for t.g.i.f. tuesday yet. Can you define it?
1451151;1460564908;mircea_popescu;hm
1451152;1460564916;mircea_popescu;shitty chain of fast food pretending to be a restaurant
1451153;1460564928;mircea_popescu;"ever wanted to eat couch airplane food on land ? HERE IT IS"
1451154;1460564936;mircea_popescu;coach*
1451155;1460564938;asciilifeform;urgh
1451156;1460564949;phf;"eww, mcdonalds, lets go to tgis instead"
1451157;1460564975;asciilifeform;and yes, whore is paid to fuck folks she would not otherwise consider
1451158;1460564975;mircea_popescu;aha. I REALLY MISS BAD CATERED LUNCHES FROM WORK
1451159;1460564993;asciilifeform;just as i, employed as another type of whore, have to do things i otherwise would not even want to know ~exist~
1451160;1460564999;asciilifeform;much less do them on free will
1451161;1460565006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr.
1451162;1460565037;mircea_popescu;which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally.
1451163;1460565061;mircea_popescu;also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school.
1451164;1460565095;phf;in before jesus
1451165;1460565098;asciilifeform;what is the alleged/'wail' type of whore ?
1451166;1460565106;asciilifeform;(vs 'real')
1451167;1460565117;mircea_popescu;(now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance.
1451168;1460565198;mircea_popescu;and yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449778
1451169;1460565198;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
1451170;1460565223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE.
1451171;1460565227;mircea_popescu;because the girls said so.
1451172;1460565238;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ?
1451173;1460565381;mircea_popescu;there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens.
1451174;1460565395;asciilifeform;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-apple-fbi-encryption-debate-20160412-story.html << unrelated but lulzy
1451175;1460565405;mircea_popescu;it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail.
1451176;1460565431;mircea_popescu;not like reddit invented "brigading".
1451177;1460565653;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not mega-seekrit, if i turn on a radio or tv set, 9 in 10 chance i hear precisely this wail.
1451178;1460565654;trinque;^ hopefully he'll survive a netsplit now
1451179;1460565671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, it gets tiresome.
1451180;1460565706;asciilifeform;aha.
1451181;1460565768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your article is not very helpful to folks who neither know what is eulora nor can be arsed.
1451182;1460565774;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/
1451183;1460565778;mircea_popescu;notes notwithstanding ?
1451184;1460565803;asciilifeform;hm possibly notes help.
1451185;1460565806;mircea_popescu;i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify"
1451186;1460565824;mircea_popescu;to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
1451187;1460565835;asciilifeform;imho the megalith-of-logz-with-notes only works when 'preaching to choir'
1451188;1460565844;mircea_popescu;well why i put the log in notes.
1451189;1460565852;mircea_popescu;you saying it should be a later note ?
1451190;1460565885;asciilifeform;imho whole thing should fit on one a4.
1451191;1460565894;asciilifeform;in 14pt face.
1451192;1460565902;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how to do this ;/
1451193;1460565912;asciilifeform;then i could shove it under some office doorz.
1451194;1460565922;asciilifeform;2sided ok.
1451195;1460565926;mircea_popescu;it is currently 11667 characters, which means like 20 pages
1451196;1460565969;diana_coman;fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
1451197;1460566000;mircea_popescu;well on one hand shoving it under door seems a miserable plan to me. if you can't say to some guy "hey, look into this!" prolly best not molest 'em
1451198;1460566030;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
1451199;1460566054;mircea_popescu;seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
1451200;1460566075;asciilifeform;terse ?
1451201;1460566090;mircea_popescu;tense.
1451202;1460566119;mircea_popescu;thinking of text in "ai" terms, the more complex the graph / strlen, the tenser.
1451203;1460566195;diana_coman;I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
1451204;1460566225;asciilifeform;yeah that part also confused me
1451205;1460566226;mircea_popescu;at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company.
1451206;1460566251;mircea_popescu;which is, as far as history informs, what all bureaucrats ever really wanted.
1451207;1460566251;asciilifeform;is this meant to entice kidz to hack on eulora ?
1451208;1460566252;asciilifeform;or what
1451209;1460566275;asciilifeform;or for profs to assign it as hw instead of etherium ?
1451210;1460566275;BingoBoingo;AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora!
1451211;1460566290;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sad but true.
1451212;1460566310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform none of that. teacher has to make up a fucking teaching plan, and establish curricula and scoring criteria and whatnot. THIS IS WORK
1451213;1460566326;asciilifeform;then it is even more of a puzzler
1451214;1460566329;mircea_popescu;can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./
1451215;1460566330;asciilifeform;how does eulora relate to this ?
1451216;1460566331;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well the tools aren't there to replace it yet.
1451217;1460566331;mircea_popescu;win-win as they say.
1451218;1460566344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta give kids soemthign to do, right ?
1451219;1460566359;asciilifeform;yeah but in no remaining american school is that something c++.
1451220;1460566367;mircea_popescu;so ?
1451221;1460566367;asciilifeform;or likely ever again to be.
1451222;1460566379;mircea_popescu;they can make their own node.js client, who cares what tech they use.
1451223;1460566387;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1451224;1460566407;mircea_popescu;they can make a smaller part ; or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented.
1451225;1460566430;mircea_popescu;they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make.
1451226;1460566479;mircea_popescu;jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
1451227;1460566487;*;asciilifeform realized that the idea ~very much is~ euloratronic, intrinsically, and as such asciilifeform is not the man to properly push it to skeptics face to face, not being a eulorist
1451228;1460566511;*;mircea_popescu shrugs.
1451229;1460566564;asciilifeform;i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly.
1451230;1460566595;mircea_popescu;in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
1451231;1460566599;diana_coman;asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either
1451232;1460566662;mircea_popescu;it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway.
1451233;1460566684;asciilifeform;i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case.
1451234;1460566698;mircea_popescu;aite.
1451235;1460566711;asciilifeform;also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11'
1451236;1460566717;asciilifeform;but this is conjecture.
1451237;1460566719;diana_coman;and it kind of got onto me because of all this current academia apparent strive towards "using OS as a way to get students develop wider skills and be more ready for industry" stuff; see open academy etc
1451238;1460566757;asciilifeform;diana_coman: at what school, i wonder, is any of that ~actually~ happening
1451239;1460566770;diana_coman;I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points
1451240;1460566790;diana_coman;hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think?
1451241;1460566836;asciilifeform;whos'that
1451242;1460566851;diana_coman;basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
1451243;1460566862;diana_coman;and after an initial hackaton thingee
1451244;1460566881;mircea_popescu;mime guy neh ?
1451245;1460566882;diana_coman;jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
1451246;1460566893;mircea_popescu;ah
1451247;1460566981;diana_coman;I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested
1451248;1460567396;mircea_popescu;but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
1451249;1460567442;trinque;o,0
1451250;1460567491;trinque;phf: what'd you end up changing in that ping/pong code?
1451251;1460568344;phf;trinque: basically state is *last-pong* and *connection-state*
1451252;1460568348;phf;in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0)))
1451253;1460568542;phf;and there's a state machine in a thread http://paste.lisp.org/display/313413
1451254;1460568630;phf;it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state
1451255;1460568707;phf;then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect
1451256;1460568709;deedbot-;[Qntra] As US Farmers Suffer As Corn Imports To US Increase - http://qntra.net/2016/04/as-us-farmers-suffer-as-corn-imports-to-us-increase/
1451257;1460568720;BingoBoingo;^ From the not a typo department
1451258;1460568788;phf;trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
1451259;1460568919;phf;trinque: that's the entire bot mgmt code http://paste.lisp.org/display/313414
1451260;1460568953;*;phf brb
1451261;1460570116;trinque;phf: neat, thanks
1451262;1460570461;mircea_popescu;collection of lispbots, so fucking unreal.
1451263;1460571245;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1451264;1460571249;gribble;Current Blocks: 407132 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 99 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1451265;1460571264;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1451266;1460571273;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.61, vol: 4721.17387867 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.8, vol: 6141.27288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.61, vol: 7977.27926267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 1.83004593 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.27361, vol: 25313.06360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 424.97, vol: 1316.95243258 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.282419, vol: 29.7085162 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1451267;1460571770;BingoBoingo;;;more
1451268;1460571770;gribble;424.651017192
1451269;1460572159;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << i've been wondering same.
1451270;1460572159;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
1451271;1460572277;asciilifeform;much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case.
1451272;1460572296;asciilifeform;(though phf recently did some interesting experimentation with shiva, iirc)
1451273;1460572453;phf;i'm useful
1451274;1460572457;asciilifeform;there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently
1451275;1460572467;asciilifeform;(e.g., openssl must die; wallet must be cut loose and made to function sanely)
1451276;1460572479;phf;but my shiva experiments were interrupted by log writing
1451277;1460572538;asciilifeform;phf made a very spiffy logtron
1451278;1460578530;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on
1451279;1460578530;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
1451280;1460578594;davout;and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash
1451281;1460583313;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4emnne/til_corn_is_an_altcoin/
1451282;1460584018;trinque;$up deedbot-
1451283;1460584020;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1451284;1460585941;shinohai;https://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/4emgbv/psa_there_is_nothing_inherently_respectable_about/
1451285;1460587399;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned.
1451286;1460587841;shinohai;yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
1451287;1460587956;*;shinohai likes downvote bots when he's drinking ....
1451288;1460588216;BingoBoingo;these things happen
1451289;1460588520;shinohai;https://s.graphiq.com/sites/default/files/984/media/images/t2/Mythe_Absinthe_Traditional_412042_i0.jpg <<< just got a bottle of this for bday
1451290;1460588573;*;BingoBoingo kind of jealous
1451291;1460588592;*;BingoBoingo remind self to not plan a relapse
1451292;1460588656;shinohai;I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze.
1451293;1460588715;punkman;who drinks absinthe anyway
1451294;1460588735;*;BingoBoingo had a couple binges
1451295;1460588743;BingoBoingo;on the stuff
1451296;1460588956;shinohai;I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
1451297;1460589029;*;shinohai hasn't yet gotten so inebriated he chopped off an ear tho
1451298;1460590139;deedbot-;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Contravex : Now with expanded archives. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/13/contravex-now-with-expanded-archives/
1451299;1460590906;deedbot-;[Qntra] Putin Providing Material Support To Trump-Clinton Candidacy - http://qntra.net/2016/04/putin-providing-material-support-to-trump-clinton-candidacy/
1451300;1460591989;BingoBoingo;Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.
1451301;1460593444;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3H4YEDH.txt << qntra ?
1451302;1460593445;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451303;1460593638;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: probably something should be up by morning
1451304;1460594076;mircea_popescu;$up davout
1451305;1460594077;deedbot;davout voiced for 30 minutes.
1451306;1460594099;mircea_popescu;davout kk will read
1451307;1460594136;mod6;<+shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol << It was basically 2 packs of smokes @ $6 ea.
1451308;1460594136;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
1451309;1460594144;asciilifeform;http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report#comment-8551 << l0l nubsy is back
1451310;1460594226;mircea_popescu;punkman> who drinks absinthe anyway << preppy, "worldly" 16yos ?
1451311;1460594434;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sorry, that didn't take as long as I thought it would.
1451312;1460594436;deedbot-;[Qntra] Journalist Sentenced Under US Hacking Laws - http://qntra.net/2016/04/journalist-sentenced-under-us-hacking-laws/
1451313;1460594991;shinohai;mod6: as long as you got yours! :D
1451314;1460595060;phf;absinthe nights never end good
1451315;1460595108;mod6;haha
1451316;1460595198;shinohai;Last absinnthe night I had ended with me in a room with 3 girls. I'll say it went dandy.
1451317;1460595234;mircea_popescu;pregnancy tests ok ?
1451318;1460595562;mats;is your dong ok?
1451319;1460595607;shinohai;yup
1451320;1460595671;mod6;haha.
1451321;1460595909;phf;shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0Kq3M4idA&t=1m10s
1451322;1460596080;shinohai;rofl
1451323;1460596175;mod6;lol fuzzy wobbles
1451324;1460596538;mircea_popescu;and in other news, btcbase.org larger referrer for trilema than log.bitcoin-assets by now.
1451325;1460596574;mircea_popescu;(for current month, i mean)\
1451326;1460596832;mod6;nice
1451327;1460596867;shinohai;Thos #b-a logs are so large every day I can't read them all now.
1451328;1460596892;mod6;i haven't missed a single day
1451329;1460596919;mod6;i feel like a book of them would be good to re-read though
1451330;1460596933;mircea_popescu;i think the only one i ever missed was in march
1451331;1460596939;mike_c;;;later tell trinque dig www.btcalpha.com
1451332;1460596940;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451333;1460596945;mircea_popescu;i also think he was sartaskik
1451334;1460596955;mod6;i think the logs contain the most relevant and interesting conversations of our times.
1451335;1460596977;shinohai;Sure, I still read the older stuff
1451336;1460596992;shinohai;still a plethora of info there
1451337;1460596998;mod6;lot of good stuff on trilema that takes a deeper dive too. all the way back to '11 and beyond
1451338;1460597035;mod6;anyone wanna toss me a tarball of the logs?
1451339;1460597040;mircea_popescu;same here.
1451340;1460597102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently << i'd be happy if i saw the damned phuctor already.
1451341;1460597109;mircea_popescu;shouldn't be SUCH a fucking high bar, already.
1451342;1460597131;mod6;what was the deal there? something with the database setup?
1451343;1460597153;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, something obscure that's been taking him 6 fucking months. it's beyond scandalous.
1451344;1460597190;mod6;in other news, thebitcoin.foundataion (Not including therealbitcoin.org) has had 149k uniq requests, and 395k non-uniq requests.
1451345;1460597193;mod6;nb
1451346;1460597207;phf;mod6: no single tarbal, but that's the canonical sources atm http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-11#1322198 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444829 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450437
1451347;1460597207;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 14:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068 << http://btcbase.org/log-raw/
1451348;1460597207;a111;Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
1451349;1460597207;a111;Logged on 2015-11-11 20:12 kakobrekla: chunked my month now http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/
1451350;1460597209;mircea_popescu;comparing the workrate differential, i'm starting to think the sane thing to do is spin it off to someone who actually wants to do it and move on.
1451351;1460597234;mod6;phf: thx, will investigate.
1451352;1460597247;mike_c;;;later tell trinque and yes, i <3 postgres
1451353;1460597247;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451354;1460597263;mircea_popescu;mike_c this seem like a sane interface to you, what he's proposing ?
1451355;1460597280;mircea_popescu;im starting to think actually shared sql may be a very sane and deeply correct way t ogo about things.
1451356;1460597296;mircea_popescu;db can even be maintained in a shared, hashed, headless, distributed manner a la torrents
1451357;1460597299;mike_c;readonly access from someone trusted enough not to grab locks on everything? I guess
1451358;1460597303;mircea_popescu;and be inquirable by independent services.
1451359;1460597325;mike_c;personally if doing something like that I'd setup a read slave
1451360;1460597328;mircea_popescu;sorta like bbs-with-sql, if you will, from another perspective
1451361;1460597332;mike_c;and still expect it to get hosed
1451362;1460597334;mod6;mike_c: hey! qq: those zocchi dice are the real deal 'eh?
1451363;1460597342;mike_c;hehe, that threw me for a loop
1451364;1460597354;mike_c;linking to 2 year old comments
1451365;1460597367;mircea_popescu;;;ud zocchi dice
1451366;1460597368;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zocchihedron | The d100, a one hundred sided die invented and produced by Lou Zocchi, of GameScience. ... No set of dice is complete without a Zocchihedron.
1451367;1460597375;mircea_popescu;aok
1451368;1460597386;mike_c;the point isn't the d100, the point is he makes fair dice
1451369;1460597395;mircea_popescu;is there such a thing ?
1451370;1460597401;mike_c;fair-er
1451371;1460597404;mircea_popescu;aok
1451372;1460597409;mike_c;better for RNG with dicelist
1451373;1460597418;mod6;yei don't care about the d100
1451374;1460597430;mod6;im more interested in like a d16
1451375;1460597432;mircea_popescu;if bias is the concern, you just degauss them. if not bias is the concern, wtf can he do to improve ?
1451376;1460597495;mike_c;manufacturing process. it's pretty deterministic, roll random dice x times, roll his dice x times, his are better
1451377;1460597534;mircea_popescu;mike_c the idea is you know what i mean by degaussing ?
1451378;1460597534;mike_c;mod6: I am not an expert and haven't tested anything. simply word-on-the-street level info
1451379;1460597557;mod6;werd man. thanks.
1451380;1460597567;mod6;they look p-damn good.
1451381;1460597579;mike_c;degaussing no, I took it as the nuemann thing for unreliable number smoothing
1451382;1460597583;mod6;i'll report back on 'em.
1451383;1460597618;mircea_popescu;yeah, exactky that.
1451384;1460597638;mircea_popescu;http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/ for ref
1451385;1460597642;mod6;yeah, i can't seem to determine if they should be whitened if good rolling techniques are used. meaning, high friction surface, bounce off wall, shake in round & covered cup, etc.
1451386;1460597659;mod6;huh, thanks for the link. will read.
1451387;1460597670;mike_c;but does that work with 1-6 instead of binary? I mean, you could build up the numbers binarily, but that seems like an even bigger pain than buying fancy dice
1451388;1460597672;mod6;i've been doing some reading about this lately on what I can find.
1451389;1460597702;mircea_popescu;mike_c yes, it';s necessarily generalizable ; i linked a generalisation for convenience.
1451390;1460597709;mod6;mike_c: there's this whole thread from turdtalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297077.0;all
1451391;1460597729;mike_c;sheesh, that still exists
1451392;1460597730;mod6;not even sure if this shit is at all accurate or whatnot ^
1451393;1460597739;mod6;so take with grain of salt
1451394;1460598018;shinohai;mod6: I suppose you have read http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html
1451395;1460598070;mod6;shinohai: ah, i've breezed through it rather quick, yes.
1451396;1460598077;mod6;mp's link looks pretty good.
1451397;1460598112;mod6;although, i wanna do stuff all by hand, if that makes sense.
1451398;1460598139;shinohai;Next we will have you mining with an abacus :D
1451399;1460598151;mircea_popescu;you can, if you wanna.
1451400;1460598240;mod6;i did a recursive wget on this files.bitcoin-assets.com and alf has his own dir. lol
1451401;1460598265;mod6;122Mlog
1451402;1460598292;mircea_popescu;seems maybe on the low side ?
1451403;1460598301;mircea_popescu;o no nm, it was like 180mb all total iirc
1451404;1460598321;mod6;lemme see...
1451405;1460598356;mod6;1.1Gfiles.bitcoin-assets.com/ << but there's even a movie in here, wot tarballs, bitstamp incident report,e tc.
1451406;1460598376;mod6;539Mlenat-leaks
1451407;1460598380;mircea_popescu;lol wtf movie
1451408;1460598459;mod6;there's a bunch of stuff, even a gpg bin?
1451409;1460598461;mod6;assets-log.sql.tar.gz << and this
1451410;1460598488;mod6;SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v
1451411;1460598525;mod6;i just did a `mkdir foo ; cd foo ; wget -r http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/`
1451412;1460598550;mod6;you may wanna run the same thing, probably faster than me rolling it up and passing to you.
1451413;1460599314;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << oh probably whatever work I get done in the vein of trinque's makefiles.
1451414;1460599314;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
1451415;1460599343;mircea_popescu;were you basically retooling for ada ?
1451416;1460599375;mod6;naw, more like going through ada baby steps like these: http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor-simple-declarations-and-simple_13.html
1451417;1460599383;mod6;and writing a lexigraphical parser in scheme, poorly.
1451418;1460599412;mircea_popescu;prolly should have a sit down and get goals together tomorrow or somesuch ?
1451419;1460599415;mod6;after the 15th, i need to contex switch, saddle up, lock and load on the makefile thing and see if we can finally get this stuff wrapped up.
1451420;1460599463;mod6;yeah, i've been a bit mia because of all this shit-shoveling i've had to do lately.
1451421;1460599490;mircea_popescu;is tomorro workable ? i'm mostly around all teh time so no biggy for me. or better later in week ? fri ? sun ?
1451422;1460599529;mod6;during the day has been horrid for me for the last ~3 weeks. but, will try to stop in tomorrow night and discuss a bit.
1451423;1460599543;mod6;i agree, a bit of a plan would be good. hold me to something i think.
1451424;1460599552;mircea_popescu;night, as in like now ? or now +/- something ?
1451425;1460599567;mod6;eh, what time you got there right now? 22:05?
1451426;1460599577;mircea_popescu;it's 23:05 art
1451427;1460599615;mod6;ah, ok. so figure between 21:00 and 23:30 art
1451428;1460599619;mircea_popescu;worx
1451429;1460599632;mod6;which would be 19:00-21:30 cdt
1451430;1460599648;mod6;might be a bit early for ben_vulpes, but he'll probably catch us on the tail end.
1451431;1460599668;mircea_popescu;lol that sounds porny
1451432;1460599676;mod6;:D
1451433;1460599707;ben_vulpes;what is that in pst?
1451434;1460599721;ben_vulpes;i have an 0800 PST train
1451435;1460599729;mircea_popescu;;;google 21:00 art to pst time
1451436;1460599730;gribble;PST to Argentina Time Converter -- TimeBie: ; PST to EST (Pacific to Eastern Time) USA & Canada | Greenwich ...: ; Convert: Pacific Time to GMT | Greenwich Mean Time:
1451437;1460599735;mircea_popescu;fucking useless.
1451438;1460599749;*;asciilifeform is getting close to escaping butugychag
1451439;1460599756;mircea_popescu;o.O
1451440;1460599757;danielpbarron;i also hate those sites
1451441;1460599773;danielpbarron;ended ip adding agentina clock on my iphone
1451442;1460599785;mod6;ok it's 19:10 / 7:10 pm there now ben_vulpes?
1451443;1460599788;ben_vulpes;same same ish tomorrow? might be hard.
1451444;1460599795;ben_vulpes;yeah, 1910
1451445;1460599798;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's like 5 to 7pm
1451446;1460599808;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: it's 'new york' sans dst
1451447;1460599815;mod6;so we're talking between 17:00 and 19:30 PDT
1451448;1460599838;mod6;otherwise, i'm good if we wanna discuss someshit now for like 30 mins.
1451449;1460599842;ben_vulpes;i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try.
1451450;1460599856;mircea_popescu;eh wanted to give peeps a night to sleep on it anyway
1451451;1460599865;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you actually go door to door ?!
1451452;1460599880;mod6;basically, im just gonna end up creating a sandbox - inflate v054 from V, and throw in trinque's makefiles and start doing what needs doing.
1451453;1460599902;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: in a sense. there's a $shitlang conference up there this weekend, and the meatwot has graciously coughed up some introductions.
1451454;1460599917;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: clojure ?
1451455;1460599923;ben_vulpes;ah
1451456;1460599925;ben_vulpes;aha!
1451457;1460599934;asciilifeform;l0l!
1451458;1460599935;mircea_popescu;i thought clojure was $goodlang
1451459;1460599964;ben_vulpes;one of the $leastbadlangs
1451460;1460599971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly for ben_vulpes , he works with some horrors from the bottom of the sea
1451461;1460600000;asciilifeform;not entirely unrelatedly, i got my first ever cobol recruiter pitch today.
1451462;1460600023;ben_vulpes;it's an entirely adequate lisp-alike on the jvm for webshit
1451463;1460600032;mod6;bzzt
1451464;1460600055;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i suppose if you don't need error handling..
1451465;1460600065;asciilifeform;or macros
1451466;1460600067;mod6;who needs to handle errors anyway
1451467;1460600069;ben_vulpes;not even "a lisP"
1451468;1460600071;asciilifeform;or...
1451469;1460600074;ben_vulpes;a lips /alike/
1451470;1460600088;ben_vulpes;a gun to fire today.
1451471;1460600095;ben_vulpes;tentacles to wrap around the webstack today.
1451472;1460600126;ben_vulpes;but no, no error checking, compile-time inspection of funcall arity correctness, type management of any sort
1451473;1460600140;mod6;hahah
1451474;1460600140;ben_vulpes;it is a miserably lazily implemented language.
1451475;1460600171;asciilifeform;l0l i did nit even know about the arity thing!
1451476;1460600181;ben_vulpes;you have no idea how miserable it is
1451477;1460600184;asciilifeform;holyfuq
1451478;1460600185;ben_vulpes;and then ask why
1451479;1460600196;ben_vulpes;"well because how would map know how many arguments it takes?"
1451480;1460600199;ben_vulpes;aliebgruakisjbdfkahwebfqwejhfba,jhsdfba
1451481;1460600212;mod6;im gonna have to be like Hiro, quit this shitshoveling and start devivering pizza for CosaNostra
1451482;1460600266;ben_vulpes;i have yet to find anything /less/ painful for webwork.
1451483;1460600289;mod6;once, i quit doing computer shit
1451484;1460600307;mod6;for about 8 months, and spent time working nights in a tucson walmart in the ghetto
1451485;1460600315;mod6;it was hilarious
1451486;1460600321;mod6;for about ... 60 days
1451487;1460600327;mod6;then it was just depressing
1451488;1460600352;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: every time i dial the videophone into your favourite portland small usgtronics co., i think of you.
1451489;1460600365;mod6;same lady, week after week buying the same full cart of vagicreme. same guys night after night wrestling over a spot in line at 01:59 am to see who would get sold the last 40
1451490;1460600377;ben_vulpes;they are very nice gentlemen
1451491;1460600383;ben_vulpes;just contracted us for another gig
1451492;1460600390;ben_vulpes;but before this thread slips away
1451493;1460600392;asciilifeform;mod6: you could have been the next lafonde!111
1451494;1460600409;mod6;here's a matter of fact: no one pays with actual cash. ebt 4 everyone.
1451495;1460600416;mod6;there's your tax dollars hard at work
1451496;1460600433;asciilifeform;mod6: perhaps that's specifically a lolmart thing?
1451497;1460600443;mod6;i can't imagine it is at all.
1451498;1460600452;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pretty posh, aha
1451499;1460600456;ben_vulpes;i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment
1451500;1460600477;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i met a few of'em in the flesh even, they came over
1451501;1460600490;ben_vulpes;nice folks
1451502;1460600494;ben_vulpes;"just want to do maf!"
1451503;1460600511;ben_vulpes;nevermind what the 'correct by construction' flight controller will be used for.
1451504;1460600518;asciilifeform;pretty sure one was on the winning side of alphago bet.
1451505;1460600563;ben_vulpes;other than that, hilariously inept at anything other than procuring usg dole or scaring innocent civilians with 'sekyoority' analysis
1451506;1460600591;asciilifeform;l0l i had no idea they sold anything to civs
1451507;1460600605;asciilifeform;not advertised at any rate
1451508;1460600629;mod6;im not sure which is more depressing actually, shitshoveling in a jerva shitstack all day, or walmart. make me want to pitch a tent in Mr. P.'s garden instead and work on math machine, even if futile. would be more rewarding than the shit i do on an avg. work day
1451509;1460600709;ben_vulpes;i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit.
1451510;1460600722;ben_vulpes;whatever, life and work suck.
1451511;1460600731;ben_vulpes;do it with people who don't.
1451512;1460600738;ben_vulpes;try to eke out a few dollars here and there.
1451513;1460600761;asciilifeform;i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk
1451514;1460600778;ben_vulpes;lol less loathsome
1451515;1460600783;ben_vulpes;it's work, it sucks.
1451516;1460600804;ben_vulpes;various knobs to turn based on worker proclivities, that's all.
1451517;1460600834;asciilifeform;would settle for same misery but fewer unpaid hrs in iron box daily.
1451518;1460600834;ben_vulpes;4 10's, kegs in the corner, 20-hr weeks, philosophy instead of working, dollars...
1451519;1460600876;ben_vulpes;what about greater misery?
1451520;1460600883;ben_vulpes;because motherfucking /tradeoffs/
1451521;1460600896;asciilifeform;if ben_vulpes knew what i do there!
1451522;1460600910;ben_vulpes;last i heard you were estimating algorthmic complexity of impossible cpp hairballs
1451523;1460600918;ben_vulpes;and not positioning divs
1451524;1460600922;asciilifeform;among other things.
1451525;1460600950;asciilifeform;positioning divs won't pay for asciilifeformtronics.
1451526;1460600967;ben_vulpes;not on its own, but as a necessary requisite.
1451527;1460600984;ben_vulpes;"yes, that falls in the set of things you can purchase here."
1451528;1460601039;asciilifeform;i admire ben_vulpes's talent for herding animals
1451529;1460601046;ben_vulpes;or, say, oauth integrations.
1451530;1460601051;asciilifeform;but i do not have it.
1451531;1460601051;mod6;so in other news... yeah, tomorrow will work for me. i know trinque has been doing good work on deedbot etc lately, so I'll try hard not to bug him on the shit i gotta do.
1451532;1460601073;ben_vulpes;or, say, custom forms for donation-accepting nonprofits who need to collect additional data on the state's say-so.
1451533;1460601085;ben_vulpes;or excel -> geosearch tools
1451534;1460601093;mod6;the main thing is; i've gotta get the makefiles in proper order, and basically, iirc, they already are real close.. but the thing I gotta work out is making a vpatch to add them to the source tree.
1451535;1460601104;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didn't some yc shartup purport to mechanize this?
1451536;1460601124;asciilifeform;(formz)
1451537;1460601128;mod6;because, my thought here is, Mr. P. inflates bitcoin via V, and then `cd bitcoin ; make`
1451538;1460601150;mod6;that's it. "make me my fathers pistol"
1451539;1460601160;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: every payment processor has custom formage.
1451540;1460601170;ben_vulpes;but /which bolt/
1451541;1460601188;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc there was somebody pushing a form editor thing
1451542;1460601206;*;ben_vulpes shurgs
1451543;1460601212;ben_vulpes;how would i know, why would i care
1451544;1460601219;*;asciilifeform has profoundly nfi
1451545;1460601234;ben_vulpes;you think /i/ need help shitting out some tags?
1451546;1460601239;ben_vulpes;and it's not the tags
1451547;1460601249;ben_vulpes;it's the guiding them through the conversations with their auditor, department of revenue...
1451548;1460601252;mod6;huh. so there's no way to make an interface to just bolt on these abortions 'eh?
1451549;1460601292;ben_vulpes;mod6: every payment processor has their own interface. but as mentioned above, the tech is almost entirely ancillary to figuring out what needs doing and piping the data round.
1451550;1460601315;mod6;hm. but custom work pays ok then right?
1451551;1460601319;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i do not envy you your wurk. it sounds like it includes a serious dose of hyoomaninteraction even.
1451552;1460601349;mod6;"west cost choppers"
1451553;1460601358;mod6;coast too
1451554;1460601416;ben_vulpes;mod6: custom work is all i do.
1451555;1460601440;ben_vulpes;pays decently, if very volatile.
1451556;1460601444;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where are the programmers who non-customwork, l0l
1451557;1460601448;mod6;beats working at walmart
1451558;1460601460;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: beats me! just answering the question.
1451559;1460601476;asciilifeform;'we wrote this same proggy 10,001st time!'
1451560;1460601481;mod6;except for the $12 bj's. that's a decent perk
1451561;1460601526;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/.
1451562;1460601560;asciilifeform;13333337
1451563;1460601590;ben_vulpes;documentation generation for a 747 retrofitter at one point
1451564;1460601599;ben_vulpes;hilariously overdelivered on that one
1451565;1460601603;asciilifeform;i mostly just mutter incantations, prayers against drought, evil eye
1451566;1460601609;ben_vulpes;system works so well they never needed a hand afterwards
1451567;1460601617;ben_vulpes;great testimonial though
1451568;1460601645;ben_vulpes;software qua software is a mystery to me, asciilifeform.
1451569;1460601646;mod6;mircea_popescu: anyway, re: retooling to ada; I think my overall thought was, get v054 complete, in its classic form. Then move along to ada perhaps. But then there's still the question surrounding your suggested changes. Should be done in cpp ala classic? Or full re-write including your changes?
1451570;1460601667;BingoBoingo; i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk << Seriously try Home Depot
1451571;1460601684;mod6;Say that the reward half is in july... seems hard to figure we could have anything meaningful written in ada by then at all.
1451572;1460601687;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: been drinkin'?
1451573;1460601712;mod6;;;rewardhalf
1451574;1460601713;gribble;Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
1451575;1460601714;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah
1451576;1460601716;mod6;goddamnit
1451577;1460601718;BingoBoingo;Still sober
1451578;1460601727;mod6;;;bc,halfreward
1451579;1460601727;gribble;Error: "bc,halfreward" is not a valid command.
1451580;1460601733;asciilifeform;or did they add a zero to the wage while i wasn't looking
1451581;1460601733;mod6;;;bc,rewardhalf
1451582;1460601734;gribble;Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
1451583;1460601741;mod6;X_X
1451584;1460601748;mod6;;;halfreward
1451585;1460601749;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 12 01:22:13 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 12 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1451586;1460601757;BingoBoingo;Just suggesting an employer who can give alfdog fiat and who is hiring this time of year.
1451587;1460601761;mod6;July 12th, mother of god
1451588;1460601777;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i got one of those already
1451589;1460601792;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Far less USG tronic.
1451590;1460601814;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: interested strictly in >= wage for < time on the stake.
1451591;1460601816;BingoBoingo;You can even move to other corners of Mordor!
1451592;1460601829;BingoBoingo;That's like > wage
1451593;1460601838;asciilifeform;and defo not interested in physically showing up anywhere.
1451594;1460601852;asciilifeform;or seeing motherfuking faces
1451595;1460601905;ben_vulpes;there's also the local amazon subsidiary
1451596;1460601908;ben_vulpes;http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/company/careers/open-positions
1451597;1460601913;BingoBoingo;Prolly more popescutronic girls there than rupture farms
1451598;1460601944;asciilifeform;i've thought about learning to operate a tower crane.
1451599;1460601954;ben_vulpes;underwater welding!
1451600;1460601958;mircea_popescu;mod6 i have nfi, prolly part of what to discuss.
1451601;1460601964;mod6;werd
1451602;1460601971;asciilifeform;no filthy hyoomans in the crane cabin.
1451603;1460601972;BingoBoingo;If you stay at home depot long enough you can get your lift truck license
1451604;1460601976;*;mod6 imagines alf in the control box
1451605;1460601984;BingoBoingo;Come on alf, live the orange life.
1451606;1460601999;ben_vulpes;i really admire this nest of constraints you've put up, asciilifeform
1451607;1460602001;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand why it has to be a tower crane.
1451608;1460602013;BingoBoingo;Why?
1451609;1460602025;ben_vulpes;it is precisely the opposite of adaptive
1451610;1460602026;asciilifeform;because the cabin holds 1.
1451611;1460602044;BingoBoingo;How confident are you about that?
1451612;1460602051;asciilifeform;and is 200 metres up in the air.
1451613;1460602057;mod6;i feel like alf could live like ted kaczynski in the woods just fine.
1451614;1460602074;mircea_popescu;mod6 i don't see him hunting and prepping any food.
1451615;1460602074;mod6;only needs an axe, flint, steel and a matchbook calculator
1451616;1460602076;BingoBoingo;Nah, alf needs his fiber internet.
1451617;1460602085;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty confident, there is a crane outside of my office window, i look into the cabin every day.
1451618;1460602094;asciilifeform;with some envy.
1451619;1460602097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that;s the advertising crane.
1451620;1460602102;BingoBoingo;Ohterwise alf has said mod6 that he would be pashtun dog.
1451621;1460602105;mircea_popescu;the real work crane hosts 3 and they sit on the same chair.
1451622;1460602110;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaaaahahaha
1451623;1460602120;*;asciilifeform falls down
1451624;1460602128;BingoBoingo;$b 3
1451625;1460602128;deedbot;$b 3 is not a command.
1451626;1460602134;mircea_popescu;"break's over, move to work cabin"
1451627;1460602171;asciilifeform;these very same cranez will turn up,mi am quite certain, if i ever get near that wurk.
1451628;1460602174;mircea_popescu;incidentaly, what do those people do when they need to pee ?
1451629;1460602185;asciilifeform;there is a pissoir up there
1451630;1460602198;asciilifeform;right on the gib
1451631;1460602200;mod6;but, alf seems to know something about rabbit stew; with a decent shotgun, small game is easy.
1451632;1460602202;BingoBoingo;when alf starts foley catheter
1451633;1460602207;mod6;a man learns when he's hungry
1451634;1460602209;mircea_popescu;mod6 still have to prep it.
1451635;1460602227;asciilifeform;i have nothing against preparing phood
1451636;1460602233;asciilifeform;speaking of which, brb
1451637;1460602238;mod6;:]
1451638;1460602243;mircea_popescu;you ever took a live animal and turned it into steaks ?
1451639;1460602254;BingoBoingo;alf draws workman's comp from tower crane induced UTI
1451640;1460602266;BingoBoingo;;;ud UTI
1451641;1460602266;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=UTI | Top Definition. UTI. A painful infection in your bladder where you feel like you have to pee all the time and when you do go to pee barely anything comes out.
1451642;1460602277;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, know what is difference between gynecologist and bee-dog ?
1451643;1460602300;BingoBoingo;No, I have noes idears
1451644;1460602307;mircea_popescu;they both have wet noses.
1451645;1460602315;BingoBoingo;lol
1451646;1460602328;BingoBoingo;brb
1451647;1460602352;mod6;me? i've done a deer a few times
1451648;1460602363;mircea_popescu;not you, him. you, i can tell.
1451649;1460602366;mod6;it helps when its cold out, this is for sure.
1451650;1460602397;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1451651;1460602427;mircea_popescu;worst time i ever had hunting, we got a decent boar
1451652;1460602442;mircea_popescu;spent hour and half dragging it around trying to find place with no anthills within five feet
1451653;1460602455;mircea_popescu;fucking nigthmare the damned shits, like they were everywhere
1451654;1460602555;mod6;oh yeah
1451655;1460602563;mod6;those are huge
1451656;1460602574;mircea_popescu;and you know, boar weighs about the same as a large number of sacks of potatoes
1451657;1460602593;mod6;i do clean my own phesants, about 50 per year. but thats easy, and a lot different than a large animal.
1451658;1460602607;mircea_popescu;well a pheasant you're done with in what, 15 minutes solo
1451659;1460602609;mod6;oh yeah, they have wild boar in tucson. they'll eat anything.
1451660;1460602619;mod6;oh yeah, like 5 minutes.
1451661;1460602626;mircea_popescu;but this thing you really need 2-3 people and ideally you know, an hour or so undisturbed
1451662;1460602638;mod6;i feel like i wanna learn how to butcher cattle.
1451663;1460602648;mod6;or hogs
1451664;1460602657;mircea_popescu;cattle, you definitely should come to argentina.
1451665;1460602669;mircea_popescu;possibly best butchers i've ever seen.
1451666;1460602684;mod6;its a lost skill up here for the most part.
1451667;1460602697;mircea_popescu;half of these guys look like they really shoulda been in surgery.
1451668;1460602700;mod6;used to be here every small town had a guy, and you didnt fuck with him
1451669;1460602817;mod6;ok, so anyway, i'll ponder some things tonight and tomorrow, and we'll discuss more.
1451670;1460602822;mircea_popescu;cool
1451671;1460604202;asciilifeform;i dun have any experience with preparing freshly caught carcass larger than a fish. but - unlike www stack - would enjoy learning this.
1451672;1460604401;asciilifeform;sadly, where i live, this is something only rich, or at least well-leisured folks, can access.
1451673;1460604456;asciilifeform;but perhaps one day i will visit mod6 and ben_vulpes and they might teach me to correctly dismember a boar into sausages.
1451674;1460615599;mats;;;up nosuchlabs.com
1451675;1460615599;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1451676;1460615610;mats;;;isup nosuchlabs.com
1451677;1460615611;gribble;nosuchlabs.com is down
1451678;1460621561;punkman;http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html
1451679;1460621782;ben_vulpes;run moar old hardware
1451680;1460621986;punkman;and hope you can put together a kernel that works with your shit
1451681;1460622002;ben_vulpes;bsd works on everything
1451682;1460622069;punkman;I'd like to believe that
1451683;1460622100;ben_vulpes;hey i got it running on an old macbook pro
1451684;1460622106;ben_vulpes;should do it again, sans x11
1451685;1460622112;ben_vulpes;just give up on graphix
1451686;1460622183;punkman;yeah I got that memo after trying to get 720/1080p video running on 4-5 linux/android SBCs
1451687;1460622202;ben_vulpes;nop.png
1451688;1460622212;punkman;at least half of them commited seppuku
1451689;1460622223;ben_vulpes;wowee you dun say
1451690;1460622504;punkman;been developing a serious aversion to replacing or buying new hardware
1451691;1460623039;ben_vulpes;hoard those old macs while ye can
1451692;1460625572;davout;;;later tell trinque deedbot still chokes on trailing whitespace in OTPs, and from what i see the OTP comes with this trailing space when decrypted
1451693;1460625572;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451694;1460630943;mircea_popescu;mats yeah. a fucking year with this, if you can believe it.
1451695;1460631003;mircea_popescu;including five straight months of 1/4 gb ram box at close to a btc/month pulling our dicks.
1451696;1460631027;mircea_popescu;at this rate the us army capital utilization efficiency can't be far behind.
1451697;1460632597;mircea_popescu;davout ok, so going through third report : as to note 2-3, so you took out 2.15+0.67314231 = 2.82314231 out of liabilities seeing how the house needn't pay itself, i reckon ? this makes sense.
1451698;1460632597;mircea_popescu;davout doing the shareholder math only for verification, it comes out they should receive 86 BTC from auction - 13.37 your fee + 3.35043347 (1% of 335.04334737 winnings ) + 1.21 (donations) + 2.82314231 (house above) which then with the tx fees comes out right.
1451699;1460632597;mircea_popescu;davout but speaking of which cent, you're not seriously going to make all the payments in one single txn are you ? who knows what other unworking bit of the unspecified protocol that "everyone knows" in retrospect but only after it happens we'll end up discovering.
1451700;1460632599;mircea_popescu;davout so i'm thinking this is all good. getting back to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448430 i guess we rectify it to i owe you 199.45006789, you owe me 4.83378422 hw credit + 50 for mpex shareholders + 15.00178846 my share (i'm taking it you'll be paying kakobrekla's directly ?) which leaves a net of 129.61449521. that right ?
1451701;1460633984;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wHv <<< moar ShapeShit junk
1451702;1460633984;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451703;1460633995;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, this bitly thing is out of the www fantasy lmao. " 24/7 Security Were looking out for you. We have a dedicated IT team monitoring your account 24/7 and guaranteed 99% uptime. Were always on the lookout, so you dont have to be."
1451704;1460634012;mircea_popescu;not far away is the day "guarantee 80% uptime" will be an actual sales point.
1451705;1460634123;mircea_popescu;and in yet more lulz, whoa BingoBoingo can you fucking believe the commenter interest in changetip ?! mindboggling.
1451706;1460634124;shinohai;:Unlike the competition, we can gyarantee 81.3% uptime at a minimum"
1451707;1460634453;shinohai;;;tcker
1451708;1460634454;gribble;Error: "tcker" is not a valid command.
1451709;1460634457;shinohai;;;ticker
1451710;1460634458;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.94, Best ask: 425.14, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 424.94, 24 hour volume: 5500.9353489, 24 hour low: 423.0, 24 hour high: 426.49, 24 hour vwap: None
1451711;1460634696;punkman;such stable
1451712;1460635287;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the url shortener? 24/7?
1451713;1460635414;mircea_popescu;they're hiring, dawg.
1451714;1460635436;mircea_popescu;they have a page with obscure executivs from anodyne shitshows providing social proof. CAREER, hombre.
1451715;1460635454;mircea_popescu;fucking CAREERS at here today gone tomorrow no model no revenue no hope vc inflatatrons
1451716;1460635471;mircea_popescu;i've been chuckling and smirking all morning ; their treat.
1451717;1460635513;mircea_popescu;didja know wiener media is a thing ? hired some chick that shoulda been a stripper to "senior director of something or the other"
1451718;1460635517;mircea_popescu;it never ends.
1451719;1460635561;mircea_popescu;(wenner media, rolling stone magazine publisher, they used to sort-of matter in 1982.)
1451720;1460636008;*;ben_vulpes idly browses faces on their website, looking for this 'shoulda'
1451721;1460636033;ben_vulpes;heh
1451722;1460636049;ben_vulpes;there's always one beardo taking photos of the inside of his nostrils
1451723;1460636057;mircea_popescu;lol
1451724;1460636106;ben_vulpes;lol and lindsay anderson doesn't even give enough of a shit to put up anything other than a party pic
1451725;1460636135;ben_vulpes;and just for lolz, let's see what this looks like in a plain text browser
1451726;1460636160;mircea_popescu;look at those fabulous pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/blabla delays.
1451727;1460636176;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/PR7I1#selection-395.0-395.14 << shoulda
1451728;1460636267;ben_vulpes;eeeeeyikes
1451729;1460636276;ben_vulpes;that is not a flattering photo of ms riskin
1451730;1460636358;ben_vulpes;fine way to spend a sleepless night
1451731;1460636371;ben_vulpes;critiquing headshots on shartup websites
1451732;1460636387;mircea_popescu;why aren;t you sleeping again ?
1451733;1460636440;mircea_popescu;anyway ; marissa o'hare was a party girl 15-20 years ago. always lulzy to see gals still clinging on to their "29" pix.
1451734;1460636452;ben_vulpes;the rare deadline about which i give a shit
1451735;1460636577;davout;looks like the web log is not up to date
1451736;1460636595;davout;last entry is 03:27 zulu
1451737;1460636624;mircea_popescu;phf yo log died
1451738;1460636640;davout;mircea_popescu: re your comments, you took the previous hw numbers (i made a small mistake in accounting its amount)
1451739;1460636653;davout;let's go through it
1451740;1460636666;davout;so you owe
1451741;1460636670;davout;;;calc 1040.78385211 - 841.33337474
1451742;1460636670;gribble;199.45047737
1451743;1460636706;davout;(you had 199.45006789 which was slightly off due to this hot wallet error)
1451744;1460636742;davout;from this we remove the 50 for mpex shareholders
1451745;1460636745;mircea_popescu;davout meanwhile, accounting points out another snag. specifically, while it's correct that the proceeds of house bets go to shareholders ; it's incorrect that the bets themselves come out of thin air. the bitbet house bets were not a personal gift of mp to the bitbet shareholders, they were an expense undertook by said shareholders, which i generously (and perhaps ineptly) floated for them. so should be on liability side.
1451746;1460636787;davout;ok, let's just finish this first
1451747;1460636791;mircea_popescu;kk.\
1451748;1460636836;davout;so we're at
1451749;1460636839;davout;;;calc (1040.78385211 - 841.33337474) - 50 - (30.00357692 / 2)
1451750;1460636839;gribble;134.44868891
1451751;1460636869;davout;you substracted the hot wallet amount from this, but it's already taken into account in the 841.33337474
1451752;1460636877;davout;'cash i have on hand'
1451753;1460636945;davout;;;calc 750.5 + 86 + (4.25470474 + 0.57867)
1451754;1460636945;gribble;841.33337474
1451755;1460636953;mircea_popescu;i see no value in using either 1040 or 841 value of unknown provenance.
1451756;1460636958;davout;see, this includes the hot wallet already ^
1451757;1460636960;mircea_popescu;the entirety of my responsibility here is the sum of bets.
1451758;1460636997;davout;sure, then remove 86 from both the 1040 and 841, same difference
1451759;1460637000;mircea_popescu;;;calc 331.69291390 + 616.53072474
1451760;1460637000;gribble;948.22363864
1451761;1460637020;mircea_popescu;;;calc 948.22363864 - 750.5
1451762;1460637021;gribble;197.72363864
1451763;1460637039;mircea_popescu;now why the fuck doesn't this match that ;/
1451764;1460637041;davout;you need to take 335.04334737, the amount before fees
1451765;1460637045;mircea_popescu;oh oh, the house bets yes.
1451766;1460637055;mircea_popescu;right lessee.
1451767;1460637079;davout;;;calc (616.53072474 + 335.04334737) - 750.5
1451768;1460637079;gribble;201.07407211
1451769;1460637110;mircea_popescu;now im lost as to why the fuck i had a 199 figure which matches netiehr of these ;/
1451770;1460637151;davout;;;calc (616.53072474 + 335.04334737 + 1.21000000 + 1.99978) - 750.5
1451771;1460637151;gribble;204.28385211
1451772;1460637167;davout;;;calc 204.28385211 - 4.83337474
1451773;1460637167;gribble;199.45047737
1451774;1460637174;davout;aaaaaand here we go
1451775;1460637183;mircea_popescu;ah!
1451776;1460637199;mircea_popescu;so right right, that's the right number then, 199.45047737, ie owed bets + refunds - hw.
1451777;1460637200;davout;so that's basically, the sum of bets, the donations, the unhandled zeroconf proposal, minus the hot wallet i already have in hand
1451778;1460637218;mircea_popescu;right. so it's the correct basis there. and the hw is indeed already counted.
1451779;1460637220;davout;owed bets + refunds - hw + donations + unhandled
1451780;1460637237;mircea_popescu;;;calc 199.45047737 - 50 - (30.00357692 / 2)
1451781;1460637237;gribble;134.44868891
1451782;1460637247;mircea_popescu;and there we go, matches.
1451783;1460637269;mircea_popescu;alrighty, this is then the correct figure, pending the house bets issue which afaik is the last item.
1451784;1460637539;davout;what's your idea here?
1451785;1460637559;davout;since the last statement there weren't any house bets made amirite
1451786;1460637569;mircea_popescu;my idea is that while it's true that the proceeds from house bets shouldn't be counted against the shareholders - it is at the same time the actual sum of those bets as made should count as a credit for me.
1451787;1460637573;davout;and those before were already accounted for
1451788;1460637583;mircea_popescu;all pending bets count * 0.1
1451789;1460637592;mircea_popescu;how exactly were they already accounted for ?
1451790;1460637613;davout;in "house bets made"
1451791;1460637632;davout;last report has 0.50 in this item
1451792;1460637648;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry ?
1451793;1460637660;davout;http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#selection-101.0-101.28
1451794;1460637680;mircea_popescu;that is entirely besides the point. for every bet currently open, the "house" put in 0.1 btc.
1451795;1460637692;mircea_popescu;these 0.1 btc came out of my own pocket, as a credit towards bitbet, that now has to be unwound.
1451796;1460637701;mircea_popescu;or alternatively, if you prefer, came out of bettor's funds.
1451797;1460637708;mircea_popescu;whatever it came from - it's not mine to pay for.
1451798;1460637736;mircea_popescu;so : it's true that i don't have to keep the proceeds. it is not however true they're free money.
1451799;1460637830;mircea_popescu;(i imagine you took out the house bet proceeds from liabilities because kakobrekla whined. characteristically for the "partnership" mentality, he forgot to mention this other part.)
1451800;1460638031;davout;you have a point, i'll update the report accordingly
1451801;1460638221;asciilifeform; including five straight months of 1/4 gb ram box at close to a btc/month pulling our dicks. << that thing incidentally has been the ONLY public trb node that has never fallen down. not once.
1451802;1460638254;asciilifeform;while it remains true that this is not why mircea_popescu bought it, this is certainly far from 'usg capitalization' bottom of the ocean.
1451803;1460638255;mircea_popescu;i think for some reason you got the idea that if mp gets phuctor server it's ok to come in, redefine it as "trb node" and move on.
1451804;1460638265;mircea_popescu;this is not how it works.
1451805;1460638294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: send me a signed addr and bill ?
1451806;1460638322;mircea_popescu;im sending you your walking papers if you're going to insist playing the idiot, how about that ?
1451807;1460638575;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu as the hruschev in film 'enemy at the gates' - 'you lost battalion, motherfuckers!? lose the other one! or lose yourself!'
1451808;1460638622;mircea_popescu;not even far off.
1451809;1460638749;*;asciilifeform brb, losing other battalion
1451810;1460640706;phf;logger down, will recover in a few
1451811;1460642828;BingoBoingo; and in yet more lulz, whoa BingoBoingo can you fucking believe the commenter interest in changetip ?! mindboggling. << Seriously.
1451812;1460643042;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty
1451813;1460644967;shinohai;I think I sent you the copy w/out source BingoBoingo sorry. Was early before I had sufficient coffee.
1451814;1460645041;BingoBoingo;k, resend havent decrypted it yet, or just pm source.
1451815;1460646852;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/04/voorhees-shapeshift-hit-inside-job/
1451816;1460647276;asciilifeform;http://serverfault.com/questions/769357/recovering-from-a-rm-rf << lulz
1451817;1460648158;phf;i apologize for downed log, everything's operational, but my backup logs are on a secure machine, that i can't access from mobile. log will be back at 2pm EST
1451818;1460648188;phf;would be nice to have that postgresql connection right about now :)
1451819;1460648231;asciilifeform;phf: i take it your box got disconnected by fleanode, like mine.
1451820;1460648299;phf;yeah, but the bot explicitly doesn't reconnect, because i don't want to lose messages and introduce continuity break. perhaps i should just do that as a "good enough" measure, but i want to just write a communicating-multi-bot setup over the weekend
1451821;1460648376;phf;i.e. n-bots connect and reconcile with each other before submitting shared answer to logotron. if i spread them across fleenode servers should account even for splits
1451822;1460648397;*;phf bbl
1451823;1460648414;asciilifeform;this sounds spiffy but might introduce strange effects from splits
1451824;1460648435;asciilifeform;(how will multiple conflicting wot ops happening on different sides of n-way netsplit be handled ?)
1451825;1460649535;asciilifeform;deedbot has quit (Read error: error:140D2081:SSL routines:TLS1_ENC:block cipher pad is wrong) << l0lwut?!
1451826;1460649624;trinque;wtf.
1451827;1460649642;trinque;phf: I have not been collecting logs in postgresql because I thought you were going to handle it
1451828;1460649654;trinque;but am not opposed
1451829;1460649677;trinque;wtf re: SSL error
1451830;1460649690;asciilifeform;trinque: i find the ssl barfs interesting, where precisely do they come from in your thing ?
1451831;1460649710;asciilifeform;(i don't recall seeing any ssltronics in the src that was linked here)
1451832;1460649719;asciilifeform;is it part of cl-irc package ?
1451833;1460649757;trinque;yep, it can make use of cl+ssl
1451834;1460649765;trinque;and does in my case
1451835;1460650028;asciilifeform;;;google TLS1_ENC:block cipher pad is wrong
1451836;1460650029;gribble;Curl: RE: block cipher pad is wrong: ; CS27766 - Cognos Reports fail when using a Trusted root CA ...: ; New rules for ignoring noise. (!8) · Merge Requests · riseup ... - GitLab: (1 more message)
1451837;1460650036;asciilifeform;^ apparently this is a thing
1451838;1460650045;asciilifeform;and, unsurprisingly, no canonical explanation exists
1451839;1460650072;trinque;it happened just as I tried to $up myself
1451840;1460650142;asciilifeform;presumably the only ssltronic link is b/w fleanode and deedbot ?
1451841;1460650432;asciilifeform;btw does everyone remember that fleanode was owned ~2y ago ?
1451842;1460650436;asciilifeform;and 'nothing came of it' ?
1451843;1460650503;asciilifeform;in not-quite-unrelated-nyooz, http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=EA927EA1-E098-4E62-8E61-DF55CBAC1649
1451844;1460650545;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/2016/04/senates-draft-encryption-bill-privacy-nightmare << discussion.
1451845;1460650565;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled the whip-the-hellespont thing.
1451846;1460650578;asciilifeform;'...would require people to comply with any authorized court order for data—and if that data is “unintelligible,” the legislation would demand that it be rendered “intelligible.”'
1451847;1460650633;asciilifeform;now the way this kind of monkey trick works is that 'outrageous' draft law in usa is built so as to push 'overton window' and make otherwise plain lunacy appear 'reasonable'.
1451848;1460651241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> btw does everyone remember that fleanode was owned ~2y ago ? << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1324993
1451849;1460651260;mircea_popescu;gets restated periodically, hence mircea_popescu: anyway, freenode does not enjoy any degree of tmsr trust afaik.
1451850;1460651316;asciilifeform;i mention it now because, as far as i can tell, the error trinque's bot dies with is a result of undocumented and peculiar misprotocoling on server side.
1451851;1460651321;mircea_popescu;phf kinda curious how you'll solve the various byzantine problems of a multibot setup.
1451852;1460651338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeh there's probably something there.
1451853;1460651472;asciilifeform;openssl was quite consciously ~built~ with the goal of hosting these verminiferous ulcers where server can flip a bit and create a new path through client code that allows the planets to align just-so and... etc
1451854;1460651595;asciilifeform;ftr a number of my boxes were subjected to rather elaborate probing today.
1451855;1460651699;asciilifeform;(message to proberz : probe that is visible to the motherfucking naked eye , regardless of how otherwise original, is an insult to the intelligence of a shoe)
1451856;1460652076;asciilifeform;$up TomServo
1451857;1460652078;deedbot;TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
1451858;1460652106;TomServo;Thanks, just curious what was original or interesting with the probe you mention?
1451859;1460652130;TomServo;$gettrust deedbot TomServo
1451860;1460652131;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1451861;1460652141;TomServo;hmph.
1451862;1460652170;asciilifeform;TomServo: merely that someone took the time to actually try services on nonstandard ports, and the bruteforce dict appeared to consist of realistic-looking pws (presumably leaked somewhere or other)
1451863;1460652195;asciilifeform;not the ordinary 10x/daily 'root/toor' crapolade from cn
1451864;1460652371;TomServo;Interesting... saw something similar.
1451865;1460652441;asciilifeform;TomServo: when/where ?
1451866;1460652494;trinque;http://dpaste.com/1S1RC3Y.txt << deedbot.org fail2ban
1451867;1460652501;TomServo;Looks like from Brazil, earlier this morning
1451868;1460652517;asciilifeform;mine was a hetzner.
1451869;1460652554;mircea_popescu;welll since we're doing this...
1451870;1460652577;trinque;asciilifeform: second IP in my paste is hetzner
1451871;1460652642;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1451872;1460652655;asciilifeform;same.
1451873;1460652813;trinque;we've got the A team on us, eh?
1451874;1460652870;trinque;then there's 212.129.25.95 who has been careful not to trip fail2ban
1451875;1460653065;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/34CXV0W << trilema
1451876;1460653678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: similar.
1451877;1460653687;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy.
1451878;1460653737;asciilifeform;now perhaps i drank too much mircea_popescutroinium with breakfast today, but now i wonder how often the point of such a port scan is ~the scan per se~ rather than actual logical result thereof.
1451879;1460653748;asciilifeform;'look we did our j0b!111 check box in 3ring today'
1451880;1460653793;trinque;what, you don't think the best and brightest work at the NSA, I mean the subcontractor for the NSA, I mean the sub-sub...
1451881;1460653839;asciilifeform;trinque: last night i learned that they have... ~women~ at nsa !
1451882;1460653843;asciilifeform;didja know?!
1451883;1460653847;trinque;how inclusive
1451884;1460653918;trinque;$rate TomServo 1
1451885;1460653919;deedbot;TomServo is not registered in WoT.
1451886;1460653930;trinque;$gettrust tomservo
1451887;1460653932;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1451888;1460653933;asciilifeform;according to maslennikov, kgb ciphers directorate (su nsa) did not use chix.
1451889;1460654014;trinque;$rate TomServo 1
1451890;1460654087;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a90fca15-327a-4be8-951d-dac7a89faa16/
1451891;1460654116;trinque;$v E37DFA225B328852187BD7870400F7CA08DDCEFF2FE2CCA25FCDBF1BC06B6C4E
1451892;1460654117;deedbot;trinque rated TomServo 1
1451893;1460654124;trinque;$gettrust deedbot TomServo
1451894;1460654124;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1451895;1460654159;*;trinque wonders where the mega-lag is coming from
1451896;1460654160;asciilifeform;Apr 14 13:09:53 what, you don't think the best and brightest work at the NSA, I mean the subcontractor for the NSA, I mean the sub-sub... << my current understanding is that 'best and brightest' don't actually work anywhere, they sit in arkakao and eat ice cream with mircea_popescu et al
1451897;1460654165;trinque;box was at like 16% cpu at the time
1451898;1460654184;asciilifeform;trinque: same place as the lag on my trb nodez
1451899;1460654188;trinque;yep
1451900;1460654202;asciilifeform;i suppose usg mitmatron is written in java or sumthing.
1451901;1460654211;asciilifeform;5-15s lag.
1451902;1460654224;trinque;ENTERPRISE!!!11!
1451903;1460654249;asciilifeform;entrail pies.
1451904;1460655163;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo /me noticed slight discrepancy with Shapeshit submission.
1451905;1460655163;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1451906;1460659503;asciilifeform;$up sbp
1451907;1460659530;deedbot;sbp voiced for 30 minutes.
1451908;1460659703;asciilifeform;sbp: you can talk, y'know
1451909;1460659715;asciilifeform;sbp: and ftr i'm fond of bernstein but not of ecc.
1451910;1460659937;sbp;why not of ecc?
1451911;1460660058;asciilifeform;sbp: yer comment approved, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-17716
1451912;1460660101;sbp;that's some foxy loving. thanks asciilifeform!
1451913;1460660153;sbp;here is some more joy from the Times That People [CD]are Not To Recall:
1451914;1460660154;sbp;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZnDrs2b5zA
1451915;1460660175;asciilifeform;sbp: i recommend drinking less - srsly, it worked for some of the folks here...
1451916;1460660175;sbp;("Max Allen and Ted Nelson discuss the future of computers (1979)")
1451917;1460660180;sbp;hehe
1451918;1460660250;asciilifeform;$gettrust sbp
1451919;1460660252;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1451920;1460660318;sbp;Nelson mentions that computer is a misnomer, and quoted Von Neumann as calling them all-purpose machines. I tracked that down potentially to https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rdm34/burks.pdf
1451921;1460660338;sbp;(§ 1.2)
1451922;1460660342;trinque;check it out; it's cowboy adlai
1451923;1460660367;sbp;I apologise for not having a PGP presence, the baseline of citizenship
1451924;1460660375;asciilifeform;sbp: this is curable
1451925;1460660397;sbp;I'll forbear my Roman name for now, but perhaps the invocations will come to my fingers sooner or later
1451926;1460660415;phf;so either cmucl or i have finally gone mad. (setq *connection* (irc-connect)) few lines later (error "~a" *connection*). error comes back as "NIL"
1451927;1460660656;sbp;asciilifeform: is Phuctor permadead? (the worst kind of dead)
1451928;1460660715;trinque;sbp: service guarantees citizenship, I thought it was
1451929;1460660883;sbp;trinque: you recall the redistribution of land by Lycurgus of Lacedaemon?
1451930;1460660901;sbp;the joke that most historians neglect to mention is that it didn't apply to slaves
1451931;1460661011;*;trinque has to depart
1451932;1460661028;trinque;sbp: should you wish to register, just pop your pubkey into deedbot with $register
1451933;1460661036;sbp;thanks
1451934;1460661058;asciilifeform;sbp: nope
1451935;1460661074;asciilifeform;not dead, just sleeping.
1451936;1460661131;sbp;I hope it didn't exceed https://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/most-positive-bignum/
1451937;1460661139;shinohai;The usg gave phuctor an overdose of Ambien
1451938;1460661507;asciilifeform;$up sbp
1451939;1460661515;deedbot;sbp voiced for 30 minutes.
1451940;1460661558;sbp;I may have to endure citizenship just to save you from the ignominy of periodic bot commands
1451941;1460661582;asciilifeform;sbp: did i miss the introduction ? who are you ?
1451942;1460661619;sbp;I'm the Alert Reader from Loper 1361. we don't know one another outside of that, sorry!
1451943;1460661626;sbp;long time listener, second time caller, as they say
1451944;1460661670;asciilifeform;sbp: the only unforgiveable offense is tedium. what did you call in to ~say~ ? trivial py proggy ?
1451945;1460661743;sbp;only that, and to enquire about Phuctor. I have not contacted you again for precisely that reason: I abhor tedum too. I did get a copy of Kogge, and I did review it, and I did create various systems based on that. but none were to my liking so far
1451946;1460661773;sbp;the experimentation continues
1451947;1460661791;asciilifeform;sbp: this sounds more interesting. care to discuss the 'various systems' ?
1451948;1460661932;sbp;have you heard of Reverse Polish Lisp? it was a language for the HP-48 I think from 1987. the idea was that it was meant to combine some of the features of lisp, the high level stuff (as high level as they could squeeze into a late 1980s calculator) and the low level Mooreishness of Forth
1451949;1460661934;sbp;well, it was reverse polish at least, not that this is the most interesting feature of Forth
1451950;1460661960;sbp;but this got me thinking about Lisp bytecode, and whether the best bytecode for Lisp might be Forth, in essence
1451951;1460662022;sbp;also, I don't know if you remember, but the Interlisp-D machine had a program called SEdit
1451952;1460662033;sbp;there isn't much about it on the web now. I think I found a single PDF describing it in detail!
1451953;1460662069;sbp;the idea was that you edited the cons cells directly. there was no intermediate ascii representation. in other words, there was no byte array buffer on which the editor acted; the editor acted directly on the s-expressions in the machine
1451954;1460662084;sbp;a bit like how the SCHEME-79 chip worked. that executed the cons cells directly, as you put it
1451955;1460662100;sbp;well SEdit allowed the editorial process, that protean forge, to work in like direct manner
1451956;1460662148;sbp;so I spent some time thinking about how scoping would work if *lexical* scope were bound to s-expressions and not the ascii representations of programs. because when you think about it, that's all that lexical scope is: it's an artefact of ascii representation, and I thought that perhaps this was not the lispy way
1451957;1460662215;sbp;what I realised was that when you couple scope to s-expressions in this way, it essentially becomes a system of runtime assertions in which you can model not only lexical AND dynamic scope—by choice!—but other kinds of hitherto unexplored scopes too
1451958;1460662258;sbp;the drawback is that because you depend on execution frames (or whatever) for the data, which is what allows the use of dynamic scope of course, this has to be done at runtime. lexical scope would usually be computed at compile time
1451959;1460662281;sbp;I'm not sure I care awfully about the runtime constraint. ("two speeds" of a computer and all that)
1451960;1460662317;sbp;this was all made a lot easier by using de Bruijn notation internally for variables by the way
1451961;1460662384;sbp;when you look at lambda calculus, you get most lacklustre computer scientists talking about alpha-renaming and all this stupid shit that gets in the way, but when you use de Bruijn notation that stuff disappears entirely. it's an epiphenomenon, one of Ptolemy's epicycles
1451962;1460662426;sbp;I also fixed macros, created a previous unheard of macro system which is hygienic without being asinine like all current macro hygiene systems
1451963;1460662441;sbp;but perhaps my favourite thing was that I managed to fix fexprs
1451964;1460662455;sbp;I mean I figured out how to make them compilable
1451965;1460662485;sbp;you remember that Mitchell Wand proved that the theory of fexprs is trivial? i.e. that fexprs cannot actually be compiled, and they must therefore be runtime components
1451966;1460662501;sbp;yeah, well the answer to that is in itself trivial. a child could have come up with it
1451967;1460662529;sbp;Wand's theory, and all the other pissing against fexprs from Pitman onwards, is based on the untyped lambda calculus. naturally. and lisp is untyped in this sense; the types come at runtime
1451968;1460662538;mircea_popescu;hello sbp. who were you again ?
1451969;1460662538;sbp;well, we make one concession to make fexprs that we can compile
1451970;1460662548;sbp;fexprs as arguments to functions must be typed. that's it. that's all we need
1451971;1460662557;sbp;greetings mircea_popescu! I am Sean B. Palmer, very pleased to meet you
1451972;1460662566;sbp;I was invited here by asciilifeform about an hour ago
1451973;1460662581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'look we did our j0b!111 check box in 3ring today' << seems altogether likely, this.
1451974;1460662598;mircea_popescu;welcome
1451975;1460662664;asciilifeform;sbp: i've played with the xerox structure editor
1451976;1460662669;mircea_popescu;$gettrust sbp
1451977;1460662669;asciilifeform;and the hp48 lisp
1451978;1460662672;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1451979;1460662682;mircea_popescu;sbp you got a pgp key ?
1451980;1460662711;sbp;mircea_popescu: no, but I can generate one. I was going to say "easily", but you know what software is like
1451981;1460662738;asciilifeform;sbp: your observation re lexical scope makes no sense to me
1451982;1460662742;asciilifeform;didja read sicp ?
1451983;1460662752;sbp;asciilifeform: how did you find SEdit? I have only spoken to one friend who used the Interlisp-D machine, and I don't think he said anything about SEdit
1451984;1460662753;asciilifeform;at no point is the 'ascii representation of the code' the pertinent item
1451985;1460662765;mircea_popescu;sbp if you do you'll be able to maintain a presence here / participate in wot etc.
1451986;1460662781;asciilifeform;sbp: i don't recall it being sedit, but some msdos emulator thing called 'medley'
1451987;1460662809;asciilifeform;(i do not own any of the ancient and unobtainable xerox lispm iron)
1451988;1460662881;asciilifeform;sbp: what is asinine about, e.g, scheme's, hygienic macros ?
1451989;1460662890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> sbp: yer comment approved, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-17716 << can you translate this in vspeak ?!
1451990;1460662941;asciilifeform;holy fuck phf log's been dead all this time
1451991;1460662947;asciilifeform;and i cannot link mircea_popescu to anything
1451992;1460662947;sbp;I was perhaps disingenuous about ascii being the pertinent item. after all, as I say, I could do lexical scope without the ascii representation
1451993;1460662953;mircea_popescu;and holy shit is life impossible without the log. phf when's it 2pm already omaygerd.
1451994;1460662959;phf;asciilifeform: it's a fail
1451995;1460662964;asciilifeform;this 'deliberately don't reconnect' thing is mega-lame imho
1451996;1460662983;mircea_popescu;sbp for my curiosity, you familiar with the state of republican debate on items such as utf and ascii generally ?
1451997;1460663011;phf;asciilifeform: there's nothing wrong with deliberate don't reconnect, twice that happened and nobody cared or noticed
1451998;1460663031;mircea_popescu;phf odds are that was because people were yet not relying on it for work process ?
1451999;1460663035;asciilifeform;aha.
1452000;1460663043;sbp;okay, I have my GPG key exported. https://dpaste.de/fZPN/raw
1452001;1460663044;phf;nope, three days ago was the last one
1452002;1460663060;sbp;and deedbot is gone. long live deedbot!
1452003;1460663060;mircea_popescu;sbp $register
1452004;1460663063;phf;there's normally a max half hour with no restarts delay between
1452005;1460663065;mircea_popescu;no way ?!
1452006;1460663075;mircea_popescu;do not take the bot name in vane!
1452007;1460663082;sbp;d**dbot
1452008;1460663104;phf;there's an unrelated heisenbug, that i'm failing to fix, hold tight
1452009;1460663108;sbp;I guess it's going to try to grab from pgp.mit.edu?
1452010;1460663140;phf;i would like to point out, that the log has been operational for whole two weeks, it's not quite up to standard of the incrementally constructed, 3 year tested, former b-a
1452011;1460663152;mircea_popescu;sbp i don't recall exactly ; possible tho.
1452012;1460663168;mircea_popescu;phf inacceptabru.
1452013;1460663176;sbp;$register 5D7C0216D9809D44825DFD237CAC2A4BC2F2DA35
1452014;1460663201;phf;maybe if i wrote it in ada, it'd be boing 747 on the first try
1452015;1460663209;deedbot;Import failed for 5D7C0216D9809D44825DFD237CAC2A4BC2F2DA35.
1452016;1460663222;mircea_popescu;trinque remind me, could he give pubkey directly ?
1452017;1460663226;sbp;must, fight, entropy
1452018;1460663236;sbp;$register https://dpaste.de/fZPN/raw
1452019;1460663236;deedbot;Import failed for https://dpaste.de/fZPN/raw.
1452020;1460663241;sbp;apparently not
1452021;1460663272;mircea_popescu;sbp infrastructure just got re-built a coupla weeks ago, ironing out bugs still.
1452022;1460663322;sbp;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot#register-a-public-key
1452023;1460663347;mircea_popescu;$up sbp
1452024;1460663349;deedbot;sbp voiced for 30 minutes.
1452025;1460663356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you give him a bunch of links or is he this lively by nature ?
1452026;1460663362;sbp;the link there has expired — http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH.txt
1452027;1460663373;mircea_popescu;sbp try using dpaste.com rather than .de see ?
1452028;1460663382;sbp;will give it a go
1452029;1460663393;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't know the fella at all, but he appears to read my www, that's all i know.
1452030;1460663407;asciilifeform;and no i didn't hand-feed him.
1452031;1460663435;sbp;tried it in private to avoid spamming the channel, but I still get failed import
1452032;1460663468;*;sbp searches bitcoin-assets log for previous registrations
1452033;1460663510;mircea_popescu;sbp bot seems to be in a smashed state. maybe can'\t get outbound connections, we'll see in a bit.
1452034;1460663514;sbp;aha, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-02-2016#1403344
1452035;1460663521;sbp;"Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint"
1452036;1460663523;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, can you actually translate that comment yourself ?
1452037;1460663550;sbp;oh, certainly
1452038;1460663589;sbp;asciilifeform issued a little trivial challenge in the post, directed to the "alert reader", to decode the seal examples that he gives from his single byte encodings into human readable form
1452039;1460663604;mircea_popescu;sbp> why not of ecc? <<< it's in the logs! but in summary : direct equivalent of the obscurantist practice of "whitening" except with math rather than rngs.
1452040;1460663617;mircea_popescu;a sort of ellaborate peekabo.
1452041;1460663643;sbp;I know he just meant alert reader generally, but he did a previous post where one of our chatlogs was titled "the alert reader", and so I decided to take up the challenge anyway because I was curious as to what the encodings were—I wanted to understand how the seals were intended to be used
1452042;1460663654;asciilifeform;the claim of 'this key has fewer bits but more secure than rsa' is esp. galling, because there is NO PROOF of it available in the open literature
1452043;1460663663;sbp;the code was trivial, but I decided to show it to asciilifeform to avoid duplication of effort
1452044;1460663671;sbp;he invited me to post the code to the weblog, and the rest is history
1452045;1460663690;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, i mean http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-17716 specifically. what ?!
1452046;1460663704;asciilifeform;yeah i was also not able to make sense of it.
1452047;1460663734;sbp;oh, the spoilers refer to having solved the challenge set in the post. spoilers in the sense of spoiling the end of a movie
1452048;1460663737;asciilifeform;all i saw was a buncha-'vexual'-style salad and a link to a very trivial proggy that de-enumerates the bits.
1452049;1460663750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform however the reverend of nyssa's mockery is quite on point you know :D
1452050;1460663753;mircea_popescu;law french lulz.
1452051;1460663772;sbp;I don't know why I wrote it in the style of a Klondike gold prospector era huckster salesman
1452052;1460663802;mircea_popescu;sbp the cardinal sin of writing is to not know why you chose a style.
1452053;1460663850;sbp;ah, where's the fun in that
1452054;1460663860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform (it was old norman, a marginal dialect of french, disused in france due to paris ascendancy, that survived as a very intricate technical language via oxford law uni.)
1452055;1460663880;sbp;if I were a member of the Guugu Yimithirr I could perform such cardinal sins more easily
1452056;1460663896;sbp;(the "Australian Aboriginal people the Guugu Yimithirr have no words denoting the egocentric directions in their language; instead, they exclusively refer to cardinal directions")
1452057;1460663926;sbp;they did an experiment once where they took a member of the tribe and flipped him around really fast
1452058;1460663934;sbp;after the spin he still knew which direction was which. quite incredible
1452059;1460663971;sbp;I saw something recently where they gave people a belt, and it buzzed in whichever direction was north, to give them haptic feedback as to cardinal directions. they seemed moderately annoyed to indifferent about the belt when wearing it, I recall
1452060;1460663975;sbp;but once the belt was gone, they really missed it
1452061;1460664023;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am familiar with 'law french' aha
1452062;1460664032;asciilifeform;an early lojban, you could even say.
1452063;1460664060;mircea_popescu;the problem of how to prevent the failure mode is of course still open.
1452064;1460664302;mircea_popescu;sbp you got a prototype of this fexpr compiler thing somewhere ?
1452065;1460664351;sbp;nope, I started working on the bytecode stuff straight after that
1452066;1460664402;sbp;well, that is intended to be the compiler target of course. but I haven't finished that yet
1452067;1460664527;asciilifeform;sbp: my conclusion re fexprs was that 'we can't compile this' is in ~all cases an 'epicyclic' restatement of 'our hardware is rubbish'
1452068;1460664555;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with shutt's expansion, if you absolutely want reflectivity
1452069;1460664564;mircea_popescu;or what exactly is the purpose here, i dun rightly follow.
1452070;1460664606;sbp;Wand and Shutt kept arguing about whether Shutt's expansion even worked, and I don't know the outcome of that. but let's say that Kernel (Shutt's language) does work—it's syntactically somewhat unwieldy. typing the fexprs to the arguments is very clean and easy to follow
1452071;1460664626;sbp;I could certainly accept uncompilable fexprs as being an expression of rubbish hardware though
1452072;1460664639;mircea_popescu;so you have a fundamental objection to syntactical convention and a syntactic convenience objection to a fundamental solution.
1452073;1460664642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a 'fexpr' is essentially a first-class macro.
1452074;1460664647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1452075;1460664648;asciilifeform;see (surprisingly, not a bad summary) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fexpr
1452076;1460664680;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol check it out, R in see also! MATHS!
1452077;1460664709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fexprs incur no penalty or otherwise problem in an interpreted lang, or, for that matter, a proper lispm
1452078;1460664727;asciilifeform;(which is really a hardware embodiment of an interpreter, if built correctly)
1452079;1460664733;mircea_popescu;some people wanna compile, whatevs.
1452080;1460664765;sbp;yeah, but the rats are on the chips these days
1452081;1460664775;sbp;so a pure lisp chip like SCHEME-79 would still be cool
1452082;1460664794;sbp;maybe even open hardware! maybe even auditable! imagine that!
1452083;1460664839;asciilifeform;sbp: how do you propose to bake an auditable ic ?
1452084;1460664863;asciilifeform;you can put quartz window, eprom-style, but metal is opaque...
1452085;1460664916;asciilifeform;what does it mean to have an 'open hardware' ic ?
1452086;1460664933;asciilifeform;if it means that, given a $B another fella can attempt to replicate, this does not mean much.
1452087;1460664952;asciilifeform;realize that copying a chip mask is a vanishing fraction of the cost of baking an ic
1452088;1460664957;sbp;yeah, even if you took a batch and decapped all of them but one, I suppose you wouldn't know for sure that that wasn't the exploited one. I don't know if it's possible to make a chip that you can audit before it's running
1452089;1460664968;asciilifeform;(ussr made perfectly serviceable pdp clones without understanding a whit of how the thing worked)
1452090;1460664999;sbp;I suppose there's always the FPGA route
1452091;1460665019;asciilifeform;sbp: where do you intend to get a usable fpga ?
1452092;1460665038;sbp;I dunno man. turtles all the way down, and I don't trust any of them
1452093;1460665058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: i'ma have to link to the old logz,
1452094;1460665059;asciilifeform;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xilinx
1452095;1460665067;asciilifeform;sbp ^ there ARE NO FPGA
1452096;1460665075;asciilifeform;that are worth the paper they're printed on.
1452097;1460665101;sbp;"and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric" — ugh
1452098;1460665137;asciilifeform;sbp: at present time, not only do you not know what is in the package, but the build chain is several dozen GB of closed x86 turd.
1452099;1460665140;asciilifeform;for ALL fpga.
1452100;1460665153;sbp;don't, you'll give me nightmares. worse ones, I mean
1452101;1460665166;asciilifeform;there is literally nothing on the market that does not fit this description.
1452102;1460665168;asciilifeform;$up sbp
1452103;1460665180;deedbot;sbp voiced for 30 minutes.
1452104;1460665288;sbp;maybe we have to wait another generation or two before we can fab chips at home
1452105;1460665312;mircea_popescu;so other than waiting generations, we and so forth, what is it you do ?
1452106;1460665365;sbp;researcher of early modern history turned freelance programmer
1452107;1460665381;sbp;or vice versa, I forget. maybe both
1452108;1460665383;mircea_popescu;anything i can see ?
1452109;1460665408;sbp;the history, or the programming? https://github.com/sbp/ contains some of my utterly trivial shite
1452110;1460665440;mircea_popescu;no, not utterly trivial shite. the stuff that you are proud of and pointedly accept as the superset of your capacity and abilities.
1452111;1460665479;sbp;none of that on the web, thank goodness
1452112;1460665507;mircea_popescu;hm. we could then correctly say your real life hasn't begun yet ?
1452113;1460665557;sbp;potentially. but Emily Dickinson locked her poems into a drawer, and they only got out again by chance
1452114;1460665568;sbp;William Blake was going to burn his works. maybe he did!
1452115;1460665576;sbp;Crabb Robinson said that he talked him out of it
1452116;1460665586;mircea_popescu;i see.
1452117;1460665589;sbp;we don't know how many works Sappho wrote
1452118;1460665603;sbp;the only surviving copy of the biography that numbers her works has a hole in it
1452119;1460665607;sbp;right where the number is
1452120;1460665701;sbp;asciilifeform: did you see this? http://dump.mntmn.com/interim-paper/
1452121;1460665723;sbp;it's the most Loper-like thing I have seen outside of Loper
1452122;1460665876;sbp;must dash for a bit—in case I lack the +v upon my return, it has been a pleasure. thanks for the chat
1452123;1460665906;asciilifeform;sbp: there is imho nothing interesting about yet another x86 os.
1452124;1460665917;asciilifeform;or, even less interestingly, 'raspberry'.
1452125;1460665946;asciilifeform;understand, DESCRIPTIONS of the problem of complexity cancer ~abound~.
1452126;1460665984;asciilifeform;let's zoom into the pertinent bits in the link,
1452127;1460665986;asciilifeform;'Fast and simple Microcontrollers like Teensy 3.1 (based on Freescale ARM Cortex-M4 MPU) can be used as a "poor man's GPU" to generate VGA text or graphics output. '
1452128;1460666001;asciilifeform;'I developed a version of Interim (then called "Bomberjacket OS") that boots on a standard Intel x86 PC as well as a version that runs on the ARM-based Raspberry Pi low-cost computer. '
1452129;1460666010;asciilifeform;'I ported a USB driver, a network driver, an SD card reader and a low-level driver for the Pi's VideoCore IV GPU. '
1452130;1460666016;asciilifeform;i stopped reading here.
1452131;1460666037;asciilifeform;because 'solution' that reduces to 'let's drop in this closed turd and pretend it does not exist' is NOT INTERESTING.
1452132;1460666060;asciilifeform;~everything this hard-working fella did, i did IN SCHOOL
1452133;1460666063;asciilifeform;as motherfucking HOMEWORK.
1452134;1460666091;asciilifeform;it is ~trivial~ to craft a toy os for x86.
1452135;1460666110;asciilifeform;it is also trivial to craft a scheme interp for same
1452136;1460666115;asciilifeform;undergrad project. literally.
1452137;1460666181;asciilifeform;what is ~not~ trivial is to not build a house of cards that falls over when you try to do something useful.
1452138;1460666182;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-14#1451827 << i was just being facetious
1452139;1460666182;a111;Logged on 2016-04-14 16:00 trinque: phf: I have not been collecting logs in postgresql because I thought you were going to handle it
1452140;1460666200;mircea_popescu;phf has a very solid fear of failure does he.
1452141;1460666311;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other "solutions to x86 problems and assorted lulz" news, http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-117016
1452142;1460666351;asciilifeform;i saw! fascinating:
1452143;1460666359;phf;moscow highschool has its downsides.
1452144;1460666361;asciilifeform;'BENEFITS GIVEN TO NEW MEMBERS WHO JOIN ILLUMINATI. 1. A Cash Reward of USD $500,000 USD 2. A New Sleek Dream CAR...' << i find the ustard leper's bell ringing here
1452145;1460666364;asciilifeform;dontcha ?
1452146;1460666368;asciilifeform;srsly, 'CAR' ?
1452147;1460666392;asciilifeform;it is interesting how auto figures in 'rich' fantasy of a ustard
1452148;1460666452;mircea_popescu;CAR!
1452149;1460666456;asciilifeform;CDR!
1452150;1460666482;asciilifeform;CADADDR!
1452151;1460666516;asciilifeform;(yes.)
1452152;1460668084;felipelalli;deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/830a8589-4b13-4ead-bba2-4d1e94345dab/
1452153;1460668156;felipelalli;what is going on with deedbot?
1452154;1460668407;mircea_popescu;be specific ?
1452155;1460668551;felipelalli;I would like to register this doc: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/830a8589-4b13-4ead-bba2-4d1e94345dab/
1452156;1460668635;shinohai;felipelalli: wrong deedbot
1452157;1460668655;shinohai;hmmm deedbot- isn't here :/
1452158;1460668786;felipelalli;shinohai, that's why I asked what is going with "that" deedbot- :)
1452159;1460668798;mircea_popescu;ah ah. felipelalli will have to wait a little - trinque was updating the two bots to merge into one.
1452160;1460668811;felipelalli;nice!! I'd suggest that! :D
1452161;1460668812;shinohai;sweet.
1452162;1460669084;asciilifeform;also am i the only one who doesn't grasp the point of deedbotting dealings outside wot, with randos ...
1452163;1460669111;mircea_popescu;it gotta expand somehow.
1452164;1460669116;asciilifeform;'Declaro que devo transferir o equivalente a R$ 300,00 (segundo índice BRXBT do momento do envio) para o endereço 1BVkspu64adYhRP3cBvvxXbjyWFfyKyVGG que pertence ao RHAMA BONITAO, que
1452165;1460669120;asciilifeform;infelizmente está fora da civilidade, no máximo 48h após a entrega da
1452166;1460669123;asciilifeform;diagramação do manual da coldwallet da Walltime.
1452167;1460669132;asciilifeform;'RHAMA BONITAO' doesn't look like a pgp pubkey to me...
1452168;1460669144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does this expand wot ?
1452169;1460669160;mircea_popescu;this isn't a question that needs an answer. if it works for him it works!
1452170;1460669167;mircea_popescu;if he wants to make it work better, he can.
1452171;1460669206;asciilifeform;this is less of a cricitism of ' felipelalli wastes hdd space !111' but more of 'does he grasp that RHAMA BONITAO is not an entity on our planet '.
1452172;1460669210;mircea_popescu;the expression tho, "belongs to X who unfortunately is outside the walls" is pretty great.
1452173;1460669224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform inasmuch as the deal doesn't concern you, what "our" planet ?
1452174;1460669232;mircea_popescu;obviously it's on his planet!
1452175;1460669256;asciilifeform;no, this is fundemental, i can make this observation without knowing anything about felipelalli or BONITAO
1452176;1460669273;mircea_popescu;what observation ?
1452177;1460669273;asciilifeform;it is cryptographically suffering from 'promisitis'
1452178;1460669278;mircea_popescu;so ?
1452179;1460669288;mircea_popescu;i sleep with women without giving them fingerprint tests!
1452180;1460669315;asciilifeform;but you don't publicly swear oaths to anon chix id'd by their stage namez
1452181;1460669341;mircea_popescu;not normally.
1452182;1460669345;mircea_popescu;some people do marry, mind.
1452183;1460669387;asciilifeform;picture 'i, 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, hereby proclaim that i owe a quintillion zimbabwellars to the man in the grey coat!'
1452184;1460669396;mircea_popescu;and you see a problem with this ?
1452185;1460669403;mircea_popescu;content of deed is entirely imperio deedorum.
1452186;1460669413;asciilifeform;only to the extent i see a problem with a bloke nailing his balls to a wall with a ball peen hammer.
1452187;1460669420;asciilifeform;his - i suppose - own business.
1452188;1460669431;mircea_popescu;this is how science works!
1452189;1460669445;mircea_popescu;by letting people use good tools in ways that make sense to them, and them only.
1452190;1460669461;mircea_popescu;your job is merely to make sure the bal peen hammer is exceptionally ball peeny.
1452191;1460669473;asciilifeform;but it doesn't hurt to point out - once - that what the fella is holding is indeed his balls, and with other hand - hammer, nail.
1452192;1460669477;asciilifeform;just in case he doesn't grasp it.
1452193;1460669496;mircea_popescu;well if you happen to read portuguese it is obvious from the deed he does so grasp it, i thought.
1452194;1460669540;asciilifeform;does it follow from the fact of him holding the balls'n'hammer that he grasps ?
1452195;1460669560;mircea_popescu;"infelizmente está fora da civilidade".
1452196;1460669686;felipelalli;ahaahahah :D
1452197;1460669833;felipelalli;this contract is fine to him (my counterpart "Rhama Bonitao"). I do not run any risk because I get him service first. So, the worst scenario is if I do not pay him, and he has a concrete proof that I promised to pay him. It works, I did it many times before.
1452198;1460669866;felipelalli;anyway, totally agreed with mircea_popescu
1452199;1460669867;mircea_popescu;also known as singularily opposable contracts or w/e you call declaratory contracts in english
1452200;1460669874;felipelalli;this contract is public but is not your business
1452201;1460669937;felipelalli;I didn't mean to be rude, I'm sorry. You can ask anything and I'll asnwer, feel free! :)
1452202;1460670036;asciilifeform;i fully grasp that it is none of my business
1452203;1460670056;asciilifeform;but i did wonder what felipelalli was trying to accomplish by deedbotting a transaction with a fella having no mathematical identity.
1452204;1460670059;asciilifeform;that's all.
1452205;1460670077;*;asciilifeform hands hammer back to felipelalli
1452206;1460670279;felipelalli;asciilifeform, thank you to worry! <3 :)
1452207;1460670341;felipelalli;Can I keep hammering the deedbot?
1452208;1460670546;mircea_popescu;in other unrelated historical bits,
1452209;1460670549;mircea_popescu;"Ya es tiempo de dejarnos de teorías, que 24 años de experiencia no han producido más que calamidades. Los hombres no viven de ilusiones, sino de hechos: ¿qué me importa que se me repita hasta la saciedad que vivo en un país de libertad si por el contrario se me oprime?... ¡Libertad! désela usted a un niño de tres años para que se entretenga por vía de diversión con un estuche de navajas de afeitar, y usted me con
1452210;1460670549;mircea_popescu;tará los resultados. ¡Libertad! Para que un hombre de honor se vea atacado por una prensa silenciosa, sin que haya leyes que lo protejan y si existen se hagan ilusorias. ¡Libertad! Para que si me dedico a cualquier género de la industria, venga una revolución que me destruya el trabajo de muchos años y la esperanza de dejar un par de bocados a mis hijos. ¡Libertad! Para que se me cargue de contribuciones a fin de pagar
1452211;1460670549;mircea_popescu; los inmensos gastos originados porque a cuatro ambiciosos se les antoja por vía de la especulación, hacer una revolución y quedar impunes. ¡Libertad! ¡Libertad!...Maldita sea la libertad, ni será el hijo de mi madre el que vaya a gozar de los beneficios que ella proporciona, hasta que no vea establecido un gobierno que los demagogos llamen tirano y me proteja contra los bienes que me brinda la actual libertad."
1452212;1460670580;mircea_popescu;jose de san martin (prolly my favourite south american) discussing the despotism of de rosas.
1452213;1460674182;trinque;!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/830a8589-4b13-4ead-bba2-4d1e94345dab/
1452214;1460674183;gribble;Error: "deed" is not a valid command.
1452215;1460674191;trinque;ah I didn't release that code yet then
1452216;1460674199;trinque;o wait :p
1452217;1460674203;trinque;$deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/830a8589-4b13-4ead-bba2-4d1e94345dab/
1452218;1460674222;deedbot;gpg: BAD signature from "Felipe Micaroni Lalli (OTC bitcoin user felipelalli, btc address 1LipeR1AjHL6gwE7WQECW4a2H4tuqm768N) "
1452219;1460674269;trinque;huh weird
1452220;1460674283;trinque;I'll join the other one for now, but will probably get the above going this evening.
1452221;1460674334;trinque;$up deedbot-
1452222;1460674338;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1452223;1460674387;trinque;deedbot- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/830a8589-4b13-4ead-bba2-4d1e94345dab/
1452224;1460674388;deedbot-;rejected: 1
1452225;1460674403;trinque;ah I see what it is
1452226;1460674406;davout;trinque: utf8
1452227;1460674407;TomServo;Did assbot's WoT not get imported to deedbot?
1452228;1460674408;trinque;ben_vulpes: halp, need utf8 header
1452229;1460674413;trinque;davout: yar
1452230;1460674444;trinque;TomServo: yeah it did; you were just in there as lowercase
1452231;1460674452;trinque;I've yet to go back and make all the queries case insensitive
1452232;1460674467;mod6;werd up
1452233;1460674491;felipelalli;this is a known old bug of wotpaste
1452234;1460674499;felipelalli;(the wrong header)
1452235;1460674499;trinque;felipelalli: put it on dpaste and feed via $deed as above
1452236;1460674507;felipelalli;sure, thank you!
1452237;1460674510;davout;trinque: same problem on bitbet's contract http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt mircea_popescu's sig only verifies if utf8 is forced
1452238;1460674521;trinque;computers are hard
1452239;1460674538;davout;computers are racist
1452240;1460674540;felipelalli;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1Y457VV.txt
1452241;1460674541;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1452242;1460674544;trinque;yeah or that
1452243;1460674565;trinque;felipelalli: if the deedbot- one is gone, that'll mean use $deed after that
1452244;1460674566;davout;obligatory http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/graphics/racistcomputers.jpg
1452245;1460674578;felipelalli;trinque, thank u
1452246;1460674586;trinque;davout: lol
1452247;1460674592;trinque;I bet he loves the iPad
1452248;1460674653;trinque;for science...
1452249;1460674655;trinque;$deed http://dpaste.com/1Y457VV.txt
1452250;1460674667;deedbot;Primary key fingerprint: 9E08 5248 33CB 3038 FDE3 85C5 4C0A FCCF ED5C DE14
1452251;1460674692;davout;mircea_popescu: so i'm in the process of updating the report
1452252;1460674765;davout;working on this 'add a house bets item on the liabilities side'
1452253;1460674822;davout;thing is i can't simply do 0.1 btc * number of outstanding bets because some of the house bets expenses have *already* been accounted against the shareholders
1452254;1460674951;davout;and just because the liabilities amount is reduced by the payments that are made back to the house does not imply the converse is true for house bets, as the 'house bet' expense has no particular reason to be accounted for in the same month the 'house bet winnings' are accounted for
1452255;1460675058;davout;so basically my point is that while i'm ok to add a bitbet liability to you for every bet that was seeded after the january report, every house bet that came before that was already paid for by the shareholders
1452256;1460675201;davout;in other words, yes, you have been floating this expense, but only until it was settled in a monthly report by deducting it from the profits you distributed to shareholders
1452257;1460676167;mircea_popescu;davout> thing is i can't simply do 0.1 btc * number of outstanding bets because some of the house bets expenses have *already* been accounted against the shareholders << how and where ?
1452258;1460676221;davout;previous reports state house bets as an expense, this expense is in turn deducted from revenue and reduces the distributed profits to shareholders
1452259;1460676234;mircea_popescu;you mean feb report, prev report ?
1452260;1460676241;davout;i mean previous ones
1452261;1460676253;mircea_popescu;right, up to march 1st exclusive ?
1452262;1460676283;davout;if a bet was seeded in december it's already paid for by shareholders, if a bet's been seeded mid february you have been floating it
1452263;1460676312;mircea_popescu;this is correct.
1452264;1460676321;davout;anything bet seeding that came after the january report should be accounted as a liability to you
1452265;1460676325;mod6;does anyone know python and wanna give me like 5 minutes of help?
1452266;1460676329;davout;s/anything/any/
1452267;1460676329;mircea_popescu;re gpg verification : yeah, guy's name, special char.
1452268;1460676350;mircea_popescu;davout as a liability to bitbet / owed to me you mean ?
1452269;1460676411;davout;i did not say 'liability to bitbet', did i?
1452270;1460676456;mircea_popescu;the use of to is confusing, but okies!
1452271;1460676484;davout;in other words, for every bet that was seeded after the jan. report i owe you .1 btc
1452272;1460676487;davout;sounds right?
1452273;1460676491;mircea_popescu;it does.
1452274;1460676498;davout;this makes me happy
1452275;1460676507;mircea_popescu;you're easy to please :)
1452276;1460676521;davout;i see the end of the tunnel
1452277;1460676559;davout;so the next question is obviously, 'which bets have been seeded after the january report?'
1452278;1460676575;davout;or more precisely, which bet seedings have not been accounted fo ryet
1452279;1460676667;davout;i can simply compare the minimum bet timestamp for each proposal with februart fouth
1452280;1460676670;davout;*fourth
1452281;1460676689;mircea_popescu;1st
1452282;1460676699;davout;no scratch that, the number of 'accepted bets' as reported in the february statement would do
1452283;1460676728;mircea_popescu;since no further accepted after ?
1452284;1460676764;davout;march report makes no mention of any such accepted proposals
1452285;1460676828;mircea_popescu;Bet started:1 month 4 days ago (11-03-2016) << i think p
1452286;1460676831;davout;but i guess i'd have to double check against the actual data i have in the DB, might as well go and find the information there directly
1452287;1460676839;mircea_popescu;i think some got accepted in march also
1452288;1460676854;davout;ok, i'll go for checking the DB then
1452289;1460676885;mircea_popescu;but yes i think end of tunnel is right. by now we're discussing bitcents, it's pretty well pinned down.
1452290;1460676919;davout;they're important, after all bitcoins are made of bitcents
1452291;1460676937;mircea_popescu;tru
1452292;1460676943;mod6;bitcoins are made of integers
1452293;1460677132;davout;serious shane is so serious
1452294;1460677138;mod6;haha
1452295;1460677178;mod6;i was just pointing back to last weeks conversation about the nature of a coin. a float, 'tis not. :]
1452296;1460677183;mircea_popescu;it's because of all that kinkley he drinks
1452297;1460677188;mircea_popescu;makes his face all astringented.
1452298;1460677240;*;mod6 goes back to wrestling with python
1452299;1460677278;mircea_popescu;mod6 btw, dun ask to ask! i dunno python that well, but mebbe if i knew what you needed ?
1452300;1460677311;shinohai;Maybe he's wrestling with wrong python and should seek professional female help :D
1452301;1460677333;mircea_popescu;that he has.
1452302;1460677463;mod6;i need someone to help me turn this into something that works:
1452303;1460677474;mod6;http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/
1452304;1460677490;mod6;best I can seem to get is this:
1452305;1460677491;mod6;NameError: global name 'sequences' is not defined
1452306;1460677532;mircea_popescu;sounds like a scoping issue
1452307;1460677551;mod6;yeah. i dunno anything about python, or even how to really run this thing properly.
1452308;1460677560;mircea_popescu;maybe add some self. in defs ?
1452309;1460677580;mircea_popescu;ie, instead of def sequences(blabla) def self.sequences(blabla)
1452310;1460677660;trinque;mod6: maybe the guy meant "collections" ?
1452311;1460677664;trinque;from collections import index
1452312;1460677679;trinque;ah shit what was it, I just did it
1452313;1460677682;trinque;the above doesn't work
1452314;1460677710;mircea_popescu;mod6 if you actually care enough, iirc the site had a decent manual/tutorial
1452315;1460677712;mircea_popescu;python.org
1452316;1460677762;mod6;i actually don't care /that/ much. im trying to wrap my brain around the truth table for the d6, with three rolls.
1452317;1460677778;mod6;thought the program might help a bit.
1452318;1460677793;mod6;cause really, i don't care baout the d6, i need to invent the table for d16
1452319;1460677835;mircea_popescu;dig through the guy's site also, he has various extensions/improvements discussed.
1452320;1460677880;mod6;i guess it's just the same thing with more values, just was going to try to mod this guys shit to see if I did it right so i dont shoot myself in the face
1452321;1460677896;mod6;i'll probably just re-write it in perl. sigh. fucking hate python.
1452322;1460677923;trinque;could be the index builtin on list, and he didn't bother to show that list in his code
1452323;1460677928;trinque;sequences being a global list
1452324;1460677936;mod6;its like the worst of all worlds, some OO, some lisp, some indentation bullshit.
1452325;1460677950;trinque;it's pretty bad.
1452326;1460677971;davout;mod6: try riby!
1452327;1460677974;davout;*ruby
1452328;1460677976;*;davout ducks
1452329;1460677977;trinque;that's a demerit
1452330;1460677985;mod6;heheh. that's pretty ugly there too.
1452331;1460678013;mod6;i'll just write one up tonight. i just tried to cheat a bit by using this one.
1452332;1460678154;trinque;I learned recently that the "inventor" of ruby is a japanese mormon
1452333;1460678158;trinque;somehow that fits
1452334;1460678805;davout;a mormon?
1452335;1460678815;davout;didn't know
1452336;1460678898;trinque;https://www.mormon.org/matz
1452337;1460679204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: (message to proberz : probe that is visible to the motherfucking naked eye , regardless of how otherwise original, is an insult to the intelligence of a shoe) << qntra was hit hard with a comment spam cannon. Will take time to clean up approval que.
1452338;1460679306;mod6;<+trinque> somehow that fits << haha
1452339;1460679306;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: sbp: i recommend drinking less - srsly, it worked for some of the folks here... << That step 1
1452340;1460679353;shinohai;After Birthday celebrations tomorrow I shall drink no more for a while.
1452341;1460679365;*;shinohai just can't quit.
1452342;1460679563;asciilifeform;in other 'news',
1452343;1460679574;asciilifeform;my 'ibm model F 122-key' is here.
1452344;1460679586;asciilifeform;1/2 cm thick steel pedestal and all.
1452345;1460679596;asciilifeform;the springs, would you believe, sound like shamisen strings when pressed.
1452346;1460679608;asciilifeform;smoothest action i've ever felt.
1452347;1460680048;ben_vulpes;trinque: roger, will do
1452348;1460680096;mod6;oooh, i get this decision table now. if r1=4, r2=6, r3=3, then i yield a final value of 2.
1452349;1460680118;mod6;why was that so hard? i think the example is maybe just not very well, um, explained? i dunno
1452350;1460680137;mod6;ive been lookin at this for /way/ too long.
1452351;1460680515;BingoBoingo;188.143.234.* and 188.143.232.* shame on you
1452352;1460680530;shinohai;Also BingoBoingo thanks for preserving the "Shapeshit" spelling as I intended.
1452353;1460680540;BingoBoingo;no problem
1452354;1460680547;shinohai;^__________^
1452355;1460680570;asciilifeform;mod6: what are you trying to do ?
1452356;1460680969;mod6;ok you that decision table for a d6 here: http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/
1452357;1460680991;mod6;i need to make one for a d16
1452358;1460681062;mod6;the first step was understanding wtf was going on with the arrows going up/down or up/down/down, up/up/down, down/up/up, down/down/up
1452359;1460681071;mod6;or w/e
1452360;1460681088;mod6;now just need to expand for 16
1452361;1460681195;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Difficult Increased ~7.09% - http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitcoin-difficult-increased-7-09/
1452362;1460681453;mod6;dang
1452363;1460682271;davout;BingoBoingo: s/Difficult/Difficulty/
1452364;1460682280;davout;mircea_popescu: report update is up
1452365;1460682296;mod6;I think this would work right? http://dpaste.com/1GP2X8Q.txt
1452366;1460682354;BingoBoingo;ty Monsieur Francois
1452367;1460682455;davout;makes me think about señor chang
1452368;1460682461;davout;EL TIGRE
1452369;1460682483;mircea_popescu;davout so we're at
1452370;1460682487;mircea_popescu;;;google 134.44868891 -.8
1452371;1460682487;gribble;No matches found.
1452372;1460682493;mircea_popescu;;;caulk 134.44868891 -.8
1452373;1460682493;davout;lol
1452374;1460682493;gribble;Error: "caulk" is not a valid command.
1452375;1460682495;mircea_popescu;ffs.
1452376;1460682497;mircea_popescu;;;calc 134.44868891 -.8
1452377;1460682497;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1452378;1460682504;davout;hahaha
1452379;1460682507;mircea_popescu;;;calc 134.44868891 - 0.8
1452380;1460682507;gribble;133.64868891
1452381;1460682511;mircea_popescu;rite ?
1452382;1460682513;davout;no
1452383;1460682524;mircea_popescu;...
1452384;1460682552;davout;see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-14#1451749
1452385;1460682552;a111;Logged on 2016-04-14 12:27 davout: ;;calc (1040.78385211 - 841.33337474) - 50 - (30.00357692 / 2)
1452386;1460682556;BingoBoingo;;;cawk
1452387;1460682557;gribble;Error: "cawk" is not a valid command.
1452388;1460682559;mircea_popescu;;;calc 199.45047737 - 0.8 - 50 - ((30.00357692 -0.8)/ 2)
1452389;1460682559;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1452390;1460682579;mircea_popescu;what the everloving
1452391;1460682592;mircea_popescu;;;calc 199.45047737 - 0.8 - 50 - (30.00357692 -0.8)/ 2
1452392;1460682592;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1452393;1460682609;mircea_popescu;134.04868891 in any case
1452394;1460682617;davout;;;calc (1040.78385211 - 841.33337474) - 50 - (29.20357692 / 2) - 0.8
1452395;1460682618;gribble;134.04868891
1452396;1460682632;mircea_popescu;hey frenchy, you do your math i do mine!
1452397;1460682640;davout;mircea_popescu: see? that's how it's done, just use numbers. NUM- BERS.
1452398;1460682648;mircea_popescu;dumbers!
1452399;1460682680;mircea_popescu;anyway, aite, will be sending it tomorrow. same addy as in your original deed.
1452400;1460682704;billy_mays;but wait, there is more!
1452401;1460682709;mircea_popescu;o.O
1452402;1460682720;mircea_popescu;there was enough of that!
1452403;1460682768;davout;kakobrekla informs me he has something to bring up, details to follow
1452404;1460682813;davout;either way, i'm going to bed, it's late here
1452405;1460682829;mircea_popescu;later
1452406;1460682842;mod6;night davout
1452407;1460683581;mod6;Anyway, so i was re-reading through http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
1452408;1460683731;mod6;If we basically just tagged bitcoin in V as is today, then we could possibly start working on the implementation of the prereqs above.
1452409;1460683773;mod6;I personally have hardly even begun to look at what/where/how these code changes would need to take place in the current cod.
1452410;1460683776;mod6;*code
1452411;1460683840;mircea_popescu;mod6 well one major question to be decided is : obviously there's the project of cleaning up extant bitcoin code ; by the discussion re july of forks, there's also the proposal to start a separate project to make an "ideal bitcoin". this proposal wasn't ever seriously discussed and i dunno that it ever was actually accepted as such.
1452412;1460683858;mod6;But starting might just be half the battle. We'd have to go through a process of perhaps identifiying first, where to swap out SHA2-256 for SHA3-512. (whatever needs to be included, what structures and fields need to be lengthened, etc)
1452413;1460683863;mircea_popescu;so one thing is you know, to come to some sort of decision on what to do there. strategy-wise, as it were.
1452414;1460683890;mircea_popescu;the other point, whatever may be decided on the previous point, is to make some sort of roadmap or even ideally graph of parts and then see who can do what and so on
1452415;1460683917;mircea_popescu;they're pretty large issues.
1452416;1460683985;mircea_popescu;but you know, i think blind enthusiasm has carried us about as far as it will ; moreover, everything has its time and place.
1452417;1460683999;mod6;fair enough.
1452418;1460684008;mircea_popescu;can't sprint everything forever, it's just not possibru.
1452419;1460684201;mod6;so i guess there are short term and long term initiatives: Short term (for this summer, 12 weeks from now) it might suit us well to have a SHA3 bitcoin in our back pocket. And with some mapped/planned out work there, would still be a long shot, but possible, I suppose. Long term (1+ year or more?), concurrently there could be work towards an actual hardfork with an ideal bitcoin written in something, such
1452420;1460684207;mod6;as Ada. We've all kicked it around a bunch about the lang, and I'm not sure we're all sold on Ada. But seems like a step in the correct direction overall.
1452421;1460684263;mircea_popescu;well, there's two classes of arguments pro iB that i can readily see. one's very fundamental : the code is shit, the "grandfather pistols" thing will only go so far, it is by its nature finite in utility. eventually the trhing will have to be redone well. it is, after all, a misuded prototype.
1452422;1460684327;mircea_popescu;the other's very practical : every halving is a difficult time for bitcoin. it's a more or less homeostatic structure, which means that with some periodicity will go into crisis. you don't know what crisis will rupture a vessel and give it an aneurism, but it is indubitable that the quality of alternative on offer is the best measure of its lfie expectancy.
1452423;1460684349;mircea_popescu;in this sense, a good iB in back pocket as you say plays the strategic role of "fleet in being", in that it protects the old shit from too violent a crisis.
1452424;1460684386;mircea_popescu;in the sense that the incentives of the vermin are modified by its projection. vermin being definitionally captive subject to incentive potential.
1452425;1460684420;mircea_popescu;(yes asciilifeform, "captive by local minima" is not the definition of adulthood, or of civilisation. it is the definition of rat.)
1452426;1460684431;asciilifeform;flea, not rat
1452427;1460684436;mircea_popescu;rat.
1452428;1460684438;asciilifeform;rats occasionally get on boats.
1452429;1460684444;mircea_popescu;for this reason tho.
1452430;1460684464;mircea_popescu;there's a reason why the sort of guy that can't pass the simplest test of manhood, that pons asinorum known as the prisoner's dilemma is known as a rat.
1452431;1460684481;asciilifeform;ah that rat.
1452432;1460684522;asciilifeform;anyway if you ain't captive your pit aint deep enough, is what i say.
1452433;1460684530;asciilifeform;but we could go on re this forever.
1452434;1460684536;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the iB : there's a number of very valuable ideas, at least in my eyes, that discussion throughout has brought out. yes the sha thing discussed on trilema ; also - ada, linked into the c, and slowly driving out the c, much in the way the vermin try to drive out say x11 or rsa etc.
1452435;1460684546;mircea_popescu;there's also - a good db. and other things. a list should prolly be made.
1452436;1460684561;mod6;im missing something, what is 'iB'?
1452437;1460684561;asciilifeform;i suppose possibly it might help if i reveal what i had in mind.
1452438;1460684573;mircea_popescu;mod6 "ideal Bitcoin", ie the 2nd thing. i dunno just came up with it
1452439;1460684576;mircea_popescu;for need of a name.
1452440;1460684581;mod6;ah, ok got it.
1452441;1460684582;asciilifeform;i've been playing with a bare-metal (x86) ada build chain.
1452442;1460684594;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to no one's surprise.
1452443;1460684595;asciilifeform;console i/o to serial (emulated, presently)
1452444;1460684600;mircea_popescu;what the fuck else was the incentive there.
1452445;1460684634;asciilifeform;objective is to let go of the whole shitstack.
1452446;1460684638;mircea_popescu;right.
1452447;1460684679;mircea_popescu;what, whne you were raving about ada the specified, what did you think i read, exactly this, "oh, he hopes and wills to make the whole chain"
1452448;1460684684;asciilifeform;presently i can load/store disk blox.
1452449;1460684694;mircea_popescu;it actually worx ?
1452450;1460684698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu always grasps what i mean.
1452451;1460684709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for a very narrow 'worx'
1452452;1460684710;mircea_popescu;only when you mean something smart :D
1452453;1460684726;mircea_popescu;so yeah, ada is certainly a good thing in that pot.
1452454;1460684727;asciilifeform;512b blox. in, out.
1452455;1460684747;mircea_popescu;with any luck, all the way to verilog.
1452456;1460684771;asciilifeform;next thing will be to port my rtlink nic driver to ada (with minimum of asm)
1452457;1460684795;asciilifeform;then we can actually speak of useful wurk
1452458;1460684816;asciilifeform;the nifty thing is that ada standard specifies own scheduler.
1452459;1460684840;mircea_popescu;of course the less nifty thing is that whether this entire pile actually works or collapses under its own haskellweight is an unknown.
1452460;1460684851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what'd that look like ?
1452461;1460684860;asciilifeform;there isn't, note, a haskellian runtime in the thing
1452462;1460684875;mircea_popescu;i mean something peculiar. not of the thing itself, but of the effect it has on heads.
1452463;1460684875;asciilifeform;it builds to a traditional binary, like any other gcc.
1452464;1460684884;asciilifeform;ah you were thinking of complexity collapse.
1452465;1460684892;mircea_popescu;of that particular kind. yes.
1452466;1460684909;asciilifeform;this will depend on ~people~
1452467;1460684910;mod6;Ok, so i had to re-read all of that so im finally caught up here.. i didn't even consider interleaving ada with C really. i dunno why, i was just thinking it would just be its own separate deal.
1452468;1460684921;mircea_popescu;the haskellweight of a project, how likely it is to suck brains and ideas into a black hole of nock.
1452469;1460684939;mircea_popescu;mod6 that was the major point , that they are miscible. very rarely you get so lucky, that you can add icecream to shit,
1452470;1460684943;mircea_popescu;and then gradually push shit out.
1452471;1460684961;mod6;I suppose that makes sense that parts could be re-written async ... ^ this right.
1452472;1460684968;mircea_popescu;right.
1452473;1460684971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: considering that ada uses no peculiar ('functional') abstractions, and is pretty much a c with 'bdsm'-restrictive pointer mechanics and hard bounds checking - the nock thing is not in the mix
1452474;1460684972;mod6;sort of like we were talkin about with Scheme, etc.
1452475;1460684984;mod6;ok
1452476;1460684988;*;mod6 thinks.
1452477;1460684990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i follow the theory of it, or else i'd be covered in liver spots.
1452478;1460684996;mircea_popescu;practice is always its own thing tho. we see.
1452479;1460685046;asciilifeform;the one risk is that folks might get carried away with the 'belts and suspenders' and write some very slow code (where there are type predicated on everything, etc.)
1452480;1460685048;mod6;Then, i think my initial still holds. Short term C releated work, if it can even be done in time. And meanwhile, new icecream replacing dogshit.
1452481;1460685071;mircea_popescu;mod6 you understand what i mean by "fleet in being" ?
1452482;1460685103;mod6;not exactly.
1452483;1460685133;mod6;oooh
1452484;1460685138;mod6;yeah, i read about this before.
1452485;1460685141;mircea_popescu;ok, it's a concept from maritime strategy, that meanwhile took over mainstream. the idea is that if you have one big battleship, and the enemy has three, you are ill advised to go into battle. because if you sink two, and they sink yours
1452486;1460685146;mod6;"In naval warfare, a "fleet in being" is a naval force that extends a controlling influence without ever leaving port."
1452487;1460685151;mircea_popescu;you have created this situation when the enemy has one... relatively infinitely large battleship.
1452488;1460685167;mircea_popescu;instead, you keep your battleship in port. this ties down the enemy, and they can't go about doing their shit normally
1452489;1460685179;mircea_popescu;they have to keep accounting for your potential activities. hence the "in being" part.
1452490;1460685194;mircea_popescu;\this can end up costing, by the end of the war, way the fuck more than their battleships were wortjh in the first place.
1452491;1460685208;mircea_popescu;it's a basic approach to leveraging local superiority into actual total value.
1452492;1460685212;asciilifeform;sorta the 19th c. variant of the specificity-of-diddling thing.
1452493;1460685219;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1452494;1460685255;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, active development of an iB is actually useful beyond its use.
1452495;1460685261;mircea_popescu;mod6 you follow the logic here ?
1452496;1460685268;mod6;yeah, i think so.
1452497;1460685269;asciilifeform;in the past i referred to such items as 'parachute'
1452498;1460685275;asciilifeform;i keep a number of'em around
1452499;1460685284;asciilifeform;and did not bother to describe all of them here
1452500;1460685295;asciilifeform;(not all are interesting to all folks)
1452501;1460685306;mircea_popescu;mod6 like i pointed out to davout in the middle of that heated discussion re how things work, this is one of those things that deal with the negative of "works"
1452502;1460685307;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1452503;1460685397;mod6;So, we build a new battleship, and keep it in port. This will make 'em bleed through the purse.
1452504;1460685438;asciilifeform;my understanding is that this role, to the extent it was filled by anything, was previously filled by mpb.
1452505;1460685445;mircea_popescu;if we are in a position to say "we don't want a fork - but if you do, THIS fork will prevaly, no matter what you do, because it actually is the tech schelling point" then that's the end of that.
1452506;1460685454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mpb is creaking at the seams.
1452507;1460685465;mircea_popescu;i am not made of infinity.
1452508;1460685475;asciilifeform;i recall this. it is rather like 'cruiser aurora', bottom - is of cement
1452509;1460685502;mircea_popescu;and as the idiots keep investing themselves, no matter how ineptly, they'll eventually build a shitpile large enough, i suspect.
1452510;1460685576;mod6;anyway, this seems to make some stategic sense to me.
1452511;1460685610;mircea_popescu;i guess one good move, and very foundation-like, would be to make lists of what we want, both for cB [cleanning Bitcoin] and iB [ideal Bitcoin]
1452512;1460685622;mircea_popescu;something beyond the very summary skeletons discussed in chat prior and even further summarized above.
1452513;1460685683;asciilifeform;would help also to nail down the exact cryptomechanics of a viable 'iB'
1452514;1460685687;asciilifeform;(rsa? cs?)
1452515;1460685692;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1452516;1460685708;mircea_popescu;i don't think there's anything wrong with proper, full rsa (as opposed to the neutered version implemented by pgp)
1452517;1460685718;asciilifeform;there is the one thing.
1452518;1460685726;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1452519;1460685731;asciilifeform;(the utter inefficacy of all of the padding schemes, hence cs)
1452520;1460685753;mircea_popescu;i don't know there's a better alternative than cs.
1452521;1460685764;asciilifeform;i personally do not have one.
1452522;1460685775;mircea_popescu;of course, the discussion re cipher composition is herein included by reference.
1452523;1460685776;asciilifeform;so long as diffie-hellman problem stands up, cs stands.
1452524;1460685780;mod6;i hope not, you got paid for cs submission!
1452525;1460685787;mircea_popescu;no he didn't ?
1452526;1460685788;asciilifeform;mod6: i must point out that i was not paid
1452527;1460685792;asciilifeform;because it is not time.
1452528;1460685798;mod6;oh, thought that you got the 10 BTC?
1452529;1460685802;asciilifeform;nope.
1452530;1460685804;mircea_popescu;eventually, but not jetzt
1452531;1460685807;mod6;oh my bad
1452532;1460685818;asciilifeform;we settled, iirc, that whoever shows up with ~working~ widget, gets the prize.
1452533;1460685831;mod6;Ah
1452534;1460685849;asciilifeform;then i went off into my pit to produce a cstron.
1452535;1460685864;asciilifeform;pit - is deep.
1452536;1460685882;mircea_popescu;anyway, making a list of all the things seems paramount
1452537;1460685894;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> i guess one good move, and very foundation-like, would be to make lists of what we want, both for cB [cleanning Bitcoin] and iB [ideal Bitcoin] << ok so this is a start.
1452538;1460685898;mircea_popescu;impossible to organize activity otherwise ; or for that matter to maintain any semblance of discipline or morale.
1452539;1460685948;mod6;This is something that ben and I can put together.
1452540;1460685972;mircea_popescu;once it gets started it can be snowballed by chan discussion even.
1452541;1460685982;mod6;sure.
1452542;1460686042;BingoBoingo;Iterlude from the mines: "During the 9/11 attacks, more people died than should have because the obese people in the buildings could not move down 20 flights of stairs as fast as needed. FACT. Obese people moving slow (as fast as they can) in a burning building stairwell absolutely can cause people to not make it out alive. This is the most triggering one for me. I'm one of those people who volunteered in my office to help people escape
1452543;1460686042;BingoBoingo;in case of fire, and during the last drill (my building is only four stories for fucks sake) an obese coworker was out of breath and had to stop half-way with a huge line of people behind her - if this was a real emergency, I'm sorry, but I'm gunna gunt punt that woman to ensure everyone can make it out alive." https://archive.is/7ObHD
1452544;1460686117;mod6;I think this is a good stopping point for today probably. Plenty of food for thought. Getting the list together is a small enough chunk to get us started.
1452545;1460686133;mircea_popescu;word.
1452546;1460686156;mod6;I'll start putting this together, let's check back in on where I'm at say, mid-next week.
1452547;1460686175;mod6;Next friday checkpoint at the latest. Even if it's just a quick update.
1452548;1460686185;mircea_popescu;aite
1452549;1460686221;mod6;anyway, did anyone else rip off that guys Perl CS implementation from his university paper and get it to work?
1452550;1460686234;mod6;I got it to work, kinda sorta.
1452551;1460686241;mod6;It was abomitable, though.
1452552;1460686282;mod6;I think it would encrypt a string. Then decrypt it, but it wouldn't/couldn't take any different input. haha.
1452553;1460686354;mircea_popescu;my perl is marginal
1452554;1460686357;mod6;played with it for an evening or something. this was like right around the time of the contest.
1452555;1460686379;mod6;not that its useful, just was curious if anyone else saw it
1452556;1460686450;asciilifeform;mod6: i saw it. not particularly useful.
1452557;1460686468;*;asciilifeform bbl, food
1452558;1460686474;mod6;ya aight.
1452559;1460686511;mod6;mircea_popescu: so they've got a lot of cattle in .ar then?
1452560;1460686523;mod6;I thought you were saying once that it was mostly like soy farming or w/e?
1452561;1460686531;mod6;or how did that go?
1452562;1460686558;mircea_popescu;historically, argentina was built by the prussian market for leather.
1452563;1460686569;mircea_popescu;but these days, they mostly do soy. less skilled labour involved, and they're idiots.
1452564;1460686656;BingoBoingo;Is there actually labor in soy beyond maintaining the machinery? Soy is hella mechanized here.
1452565;1460686693;mircea_popescu;not much, no.
1452566;1460686754;*;BingoBoingo would not be surprised if there were some soy farmers out there who had not intentionally touched a bean.
1452567;1460686824;mod6;i guess it does seem like maybe the terrain out there would be good for grazing. kinda like the mid-west used to be without the fences. ala kansas, oklahoma, texas circa 1800-1880
1452568;1460686836;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1452569;1460686851;mircea_popescu;but you can't ranch without cowboys ; and argentines are truly retarded.
1452570;1460686860;mircea_popescu;as the old guys die, there's no young guys to replace them.
1452571;1460686882;BingoBoingo;So that's where the "Argentine Cows ranch themselves" comes from.
1452572;1460686883;mod6;no cojones?
1452573;1460686909;mircea_popescu;eh, they all wanna be carrie bradshaw. except they don't even put as much effort into it as the average midwestern hayseed chick
1452574;1460686916;mircea_popescu;that at least TRIES to hide her hick accent.
1452575;1460687407;mircea_popescu;mod6 but if you ever wanna retire, could prolly buy a thousand acres in cordoba and get a nice ranch going. possibly for less than what retirement costs in the us.
1452576;1460687459;mod6;now that is a solid idea
1452577;1460687471;mod6;i'd love that shit i bet
1452578;1460687484;mircea_popescu;it's really a very mild, slightly drier arizona
1452579;1460687528;mod6;:]
1452580;1460689559;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1452581;1460689566;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 3632.36413865 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.551, vol: 4578.73019 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.4, vol: 5940.73572926 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.629766, vol: 26549.68400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 425.9, vol: 532.21485511 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 427.633725, vol: 46.73936602 | Volume-weighted last average: 426.058602215
1452582;1460692111;punkman;https://mastermind.atavist.com/he-got-greedy
1452583;1460692677;mircea_popescu;;;later tell adlai that inside man crap's unwatchable.
1452584;1460692678;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1452585;1460694063;punkman;from the viewing room: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058672/ and 5 hours of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1321865/
1452586;1460699390;BingoBoingo;Reddit measures its self https://archive.is/OL2Jq
1452587;1460709028;davout;;;ticker --currency eur
1452588;1460709029;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452589;1460709033;davout;;;ticker
1452590;1460709034;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.01, Best ask: 427.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 427.03, 24 hour volume: 7402.77736424, 24 hour low: 424.03, 24 hour high: 428.74, 24 hour vwap: None
1452591;1460709036;davout;;;ticker --currency eur
1452592;1460709037;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452593;1460709041;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR
1452594;1460709042;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452595;1460709091;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR
1452596;1460709092;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452597;1460709098;davout;meh
1452598;1460709971;davout;;;ticker --currency EUR
1452599;1460709972;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452600;1460709978;davout;meh
1452601;1460710126;davout;so re bitbet what kakobrekla points out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2016#1444031
1452602;1460710133;davout;mircea_popescu: ^
1452603;1460710185;davout;i disagree with the conclusions
1452604;1460710238;davout;anyway, as soon as i receive the additional cash i'll craft the unsigned transaction and publish it for public review
1452605;1460710254;davout;re x.eur -> http://dpaste.com/0080X96.txt
1452606;1460721131;shinohai;http://www.thelocal.fr/20160414/us-france-for-numerous-human-rights-issues <<< project much USA?
1452607;1460724042;mircea_popescu;davout you seriously intend to make one single tx ?
1452608;1460724183;mircea_popescu;davout i have no idea as to what kakobrekla is ranting/raving about nor any interest.
1452609;1460724453;mircea_popescu;there is this theory that his brain at some point worked, years ago. i subscribe to it. sadly he has been silent for years ; his newfound interest in things and verbal flurries on topics may be interesting, but principally to whatever paid medical professional. i'm neither paid nor a doctor, and in any case i am of the firm conviction that he is non compos mentis, and unable to evaluate any statement.
1452610;1460724770;mircea_popescu;shinohai it's part of the us' incredibly lulzy "we may be the dumbest kid in school but this other kid picked his nose" attempt to use the immigration wave their warcrimes throughout the middle east caused.
1452611;1460724785;mircea_popescu;because yeah, they totally don't need france's vote once mexico invades.
1452612;1460725073;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
1452613;1460725079;mircea_popescu;kk.
1452614;1460725730;davout;one of the cool things about this chan is that i get to learn a bit of latin every day!
1452615;1460725737;mircea_popescu;lol
1452616;1460725783;davout;pons asinorum, non compos mentis, today's lessons
1452617;1460725793;mircea_popescu;nb.
1452618;1460725804;mircea_popescu;it really burns reddit / the average curve-thrown ustard, also.
1452619;1460725811;mircea_popescu;OMAIGERD HOW DARE THE KULAKS USE LATIN
1452620;1460725820;mircea_popescu;DONT THEY KNOW WERE DUMB ???
1452621;1460725834;davout;latin is racist, obv.
1452622;1460725850;mircea_popescu;NEXT THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM THINGS DON'T START WITH THE BEST GREATEST EMPIRE OF EVER!
1452623;1460726202;adlai;mircea_popescu: SORRY TO HEAR YOU DIDN'T ENJOY THE MOVIE oopslock is infecshus i guess.
1452624;1460726690;mircea_popescu;no but seriously... peter hammond derp leaves phone behind to be a hero, has not sufficient familiarity with how the phones work to put it in quiet mode ?
1452625;1460726715;mircea_popescu;you know there's advertisements all over buenos aires for "classes de smartphone". they depict on cheap paper a lock and an ancient brick phone halfmerged.
1452626;1460726726;mircea_popescu;maybe peter hammond would like to participate ?
1452627;1460726793;mircea_popescu;and while we're on it, where the everloving fuck did they find those incredibly pliable, ready and trained set of people of walmart ? i bet you that on a million dollar budget you can't get together actual streetwalkers in new york that strip when they hear "i'ma need you to strip".
1452628;1460726808;mircea_popescu;no stained panties ? nobody had a little girly accident ? nothing ? just, military level americans ? where the fuck.
1452629;1460726965;adlai;my favorite scene was the one with the jewish asthmatic
1452630;1460727020;mircea_popescu;i only made it to about there. buncha idiots with assault rifles running "the most brilliant coup in history". apparently thye missed the "adequacy of weapon to task 101" class at sane people academy. took the hollywood altreality class instead.
1452631;1460727037;mircea_popescu;i'd be shitting my pants if i had to do crowd control in unknown crowd with a fucking assault rifle omfg.
1452632;1460727044;mircea_popescu;what if someone has a knife ? there goes my throat ?
1452633;1460727052;adlai;forgive my brashness, but did you watch it through to the end or quite partway?
1452634;1460727064;mircea_popescu;i fucking wonder why riot police gets billyclubs.
1452635;1460727072;mircea_popescu;adlai possibly 5 minutes past the hammond scene.
1452636;1460727074;adlai;it sounds like you figured out the twist too early, and lost interest in the rest
1452637;1460727084;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "figured out"
1452638;1460727087;adlai;ah well, i'll have to search for a better movie to recommend next
1452639;1460727175;mircea_popescu;anyway, that hammond thing is a nec plus ultram (< davout ) in derpage. EVEN AT THE TIME HIS LIFE WAS ON THE LINE, the shmuck did yet still not know his phone is not on quiet. this person has no children in the house, never had a girfriend he was two timing, grew up without parents, etc.
1452640;1460727183;mircea_popescu;he comes from a fucking vat. method acting ftr!
1452641;1460727324;*;adlai would rather come from a vat that into a tube!
1452642;1460727334;mircea_popescu;lol k
1452643;1460727466;mircea_popescu;[the subtext here being that who the fuck tells his fucking name omaifuckinggerd. what if he were josh wilderbaum, just for that once ?]
1452644;1460727573;adlai;so mircea_popescu, your commandment will be fulfilled, but i doubt i'll title my blog exactly as you wished. (sosumi)
1452645;1460727593;*;adlai is reporting live from the playroom
1452646;1460727602;mircea_popescu;does it have an url or are you too special for uniformity of resource locators ?
1452647;1460727641;mircea_popescu;and wait, i wished a specific title ? i r old and forget.
1452648;1460727657;adlai;human-telepathy-transfer-protocol://www.ickylove.co.il/left/right/fightfightfight
1452649;1460727689;*;adlai has some candidate titles, will mull them over while he procrastinatesthe sysadmination of things
1452650;1460727698;mircea_popescu;ickylove pretty good name
1452651;1460727723;mircea_popescu;sounds like a zappa 10 minute song. "Come on baby come get some of that icky love
1452652;1460727725;mircea_popescu;icky love...
1452653;1460727809;*;adlai needs to rearrange his physical world, will report back from the next station. peace be unto all!
1452654;1460731865;shinohai;;;ud Alaskan Pipeline
1452655;1460731866;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alaskan+pipeline | alaskan pipeline. n: the act of pooping in to a condom, freezing the rubber overnight, then inserting it in to ones anus. Invented at the University of Iowa by Brian ...
1452656;1460731889;shinohai;m'kay den
1452657;1460733412;adlai;$up PeterL
1452658;1460733418;deedbot;adlai may not $up PeterL
1452659;1460733425;asciilifeform;$up PeterL
1452660;1460733426;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
1452661;1460733429;PeterL;ty adlai
1452662;1460733433;adlai;oh damn, this thing is getting smarter every day
1452663;1460733438;PeterL;mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7fac0581-f9c7-4082-8243-0869e2303f24/
1452664;1460733462;PeterL;I cleaned up the python snippet you linked for the dice debiasing
1452665;1460733491;PeterL;I took out some of the "sneaky" pythonisms, might be a bit clearer now?
1452666;1460733577;PeterL;and I fixed a couple bugs, like the mismatched variable name and some missing float casts in the test, and I added a rudimentary prompt if you run the script from a shell
1452667;1460733623;adlai;PeterL: Returns False if any of the three rolls are equall. '''
1452668;1460733651;PeterL;aha, had it as false and then changed to 0, oops
1452669;1460733670;asciilifeform;for the record,
1452670;1460733685;asciilifeform;something always struck me as very http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto - ish about dice-genning keys
1452671;1460733721;asciilifeform;yes, it is better than using one's mother's name or 'head' (see http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html for which sense)
1452672;1460733731;asciilifeform;but it is NOT a substitute for modern electric rng
1452673;1460733731;*;adlai always preferred to use the I Ching ritual, with the yarrow stalks, repeated ad nauseam until you fall asleep from boredom
1452674;1460733767;asciilifeform;and yes, yes, 'everyone has dice'
1452675;1460733771;asciilifeform;everyone also has an arse
1452676;1460733777;asciilifeform;does not mean one ought to generate key with it ?
1452677;1460733789;PeterL;and now they can have "provably unbiased" dice
1452678;1460733811;asciilifeform;PeterL: more complicated than this. play with the von neumann algo, it is not magical
1452679;1460733821;asciilifeform;it only removes reasonably-uniform bias
1452680;1460733822;*;adlai wonders whether what he should really work on, these days, is completing his "Bitcoin Competence Certification" (the trilema thing)
1452681;1460733840;asciilifeform;e.g., 101010101010 will simply end up 000000
1452682;1460733862;asciilifeform;you can't distil entropy from where it does not exist, with von n
1452683;1460733878;PeterL;I'm not saying you should use this, just trying to fix the mistakes in the linked code so people could explore it more
1452684;1460733923;asciilifeform;adlai: my only advice is that you should work on finding something you ~like~ to work with
1452685;1460733958;*;adlai likes to read and type, shoot and snipe... the verse is the worste but the rest is the beste
1452686;1460734026;adlai;in other news, i'm seriously considering arranging for a bitcoin miner so i can work on p2pool while in the farm
1452687;1460734044;adlai;that joke would probably even restore david foster wallacefrom the grave
1452688;1460734230;mod6;;;later tell PeterL hey!! Thanks!
1452689;1460734230;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1452690;1460734240;mod6;that was very cool. :]
1452691;1460734323;mod6;<+PeterL> I took out some of the "sneaky" pythonisms, might be a bit clearer now? << looks that way, I'm gonna play with this a bit tonight. But I did quickly try it out. Thanks again.
1452692;1460734378;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but it is NOT a substitute for modern electric rng << hey, i guess to an extent, i totally agree. except, we don't have a modern electirc rng.
1452693;1460734444;mod6;<+PeterL> I'm not saying you should use this, just trying to fix the mistakes in the linked code so people could explore it more << yeah, much appreciated. im on an adventure.
1452694;1460736197;mircea_popescu;phf a) can has 100 rather than 20 finds for search ? b) http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon&page=16 is last page notwithstanding that 16 * 20 !> 500
1452695;1460737841;mod6;here's a question. with regard to this (http://pit-claudel.fr/clement/blog/generating-uniformly-random-data-from-skewed-input-biased-coins-loaded-dice-skew-correction-and-the-von-neumann-extractor/), with three d6 rolls of [453] what would be the result?
1452696;1460737957;mod6;I'd say the result should be: 3.
1452697;1460737977;mod6;Anyone else want to make a guess or make a case for a different value?
1452698;1460738155;shinohai;I wound up with eleventeen.
1452699;1460738284;mod6;Eleventeen is out of the range of acceptable values, but a decent guess nevertheless. :]
1452700;1460738302;shinohai;kek
1452701;1460738323;shinohai;Ignore me, I may or may not be slightly intoxicated.
1452702;1460738335;mod6;na, how's it goin shinohai ?
1452703;1460738421;shinohai;Good here mod6, 'tis my birthday so making plans to go out later, and you?
1452704;1460738492;*;shinohai really needs one of those Suburbans that can hold 7 hookers discussed in the old logs.
1452705;1460738544;mod6;Hey, happy birthday, Sir!
1452706;1460738561;mod6;Oh yeah, seven-hooker-burby is the way to roll.
1452707;1460738593;shinohai;Any new updates on trb?
1452708;1460738610;mod6;The biggest update comes from lastnight's congressional transcript.
1452709;1460738653;mod6;Will be putting immediate effort into a list of discussed problem areas; for both ideal bitcoin, and existant bitcoin.
1452710;1460738665;shinohai;Yeah I'm going to review that when reading comprehension returns to normal lol.
1452711;1460738681;mod6;No worries, it's probably worth a read. Kinda getting things back on track.
1452712;1460738730;shinohai;I'm really glad to hear that, haven't had anything to do much besides hunt for Qntra articles of late.
1452713;1460738740;shinohai;And I miss poking btc with a stick.
1452714;1460738743;mod6;Yeah, my apologies.
1452715;1460738757;mod6;Mine still runs and everything is good. Just been in a "lull."
1452716;1460738784;mod6;You're now experiencing a lull.
1452717;1460738797;shinohai;lulz not lulls
1452718;1460738810;shinohai;:D
1452719;1460738926;mod6;haha
1452720;1460738992;mod6;Anyway, seems like there'll be a lot of things to keep you busy in the near future if you want to work on stuff. So, there's that anyway.
1452721;1460739073;shinohai;I'm ready. Thanks to mats I am not worried about space constraints any longer. Gonna try and order some Ada materials soon and get up to speed with you guise.
1452722;1460739239;*;shinohai drinks a glass to tmsr [~]D
1452723;1460739476;*;danielpbarron pours a whiskey
1452724;1460739489;danielpbarron;cheers!
1452725;1460739630;shinohai;Prost!
1452726;1460739731;danielpbarron;what is that, dutch?
1452727;1460739753;shinohai;German.
1452728;1460739920;shinohai;btw danielpbarron didn't you have some info stashed away somewhere on building a gentoo on pogo instead of arch?
1452729;1460739932;*;shinohai has been meaning to ask.
1452730;1460740100;danielpbarron;the info is that it's supposed to be possible, but I have yet to achieve it
1452731;1460740126;danielpbarron;I can sorta-run a gentoo on a pogo by chrooting from another linux
1452732;1460740152;danielpbarron;haven't gotten it to use its own kernel yet
1452733;1460740239;shinohai;Ah okay I was gonna give it a go for shits and giggles.
1452734;1460740273;BingoBoingo;If you have too much shits, perhaps change that to goggles
1452735;1460740283;shinohai;>.>
1452736;1460740596;*;shinohai wonders if Qntra would get sued if I wrote a satire piece about Erdogan.
1452737;1460740632;trinque;getting sued by Turkey would be awesome
1452738;1460740684;ben_vulpes;aaa scrollback
1452739;1460740695;ben_vulpes;cannot catch up at th' mo'
1452740;1460741626;BingoBoingo;Ok, I'm starting to get tired of this fucking Freenode weather that's picked up substantially since the channel split. Before I could spend weeks with continuous uninterupted connection. Now, I'm lucky to stay connected a whole day. No other aspect of my connectivity has fucking changed.
1452741;1460741644;*;BingoBoingo considering to move for a motion of shennanigans on Freenode.
1452742;1460741655;trinque;seconded.
1452743;1460741683;BingoBoingo;Not to mention once disconnecting, reconnecting now takes far more attempts.
1452744;1460741703;punkman;you ever get SSL errors on reconnect?
1452745;1460741721;trinque;deedbot has been disconnecting with them
1452746;1460741835;BingoBoingo;I have not
1452747;1460742396;trinque;http://qntra.net/2016/04/soft-fork-advocate-proposes-harder-type-of-soft-fork/
1452748;1460742400;trinque;$up deedbot-
1452749;1460742404;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1452750;1460742460;BingoBoingo;shinohai: How exactly would Ergodan sue?
1452751;1460742782;BingoBoingo;This is not a trivial thing for him to pursue.
1452752;1460742815;shinohai;I suppose he would subpoena usg ?
1452753;1460742830;shinohai;*via
1452754;1460742906;BingoBoingo;Suppose he manages to get papers served and even finds a court that takes jurisdiction. How does he go about taking all of my glorious nothing?
1452755;1460742955;adlai;he could ask mircea_popescu to transfer to himself all your s.qntr!
1452756;1460742969;adlai;or has turkey not yet opened an mpex account
1452757;1460742983;shinohai;LOL
1452758;1460742998;shinohai;Sue in the court of tmsr
1452759;1460743030;davout;if turkey ends up in receivership, give me a ring
1452760;1460743088;shinohai;^
1452761;1460743745;BingoBoingo;adlai: To be fair, Jurov handles most s.qntr transfers
1452762;1460744004;deedbot-;[Qntra] Docker On List Of Companies Taking Quiet CIA Funding - http://qntra.net/2016/04/docker-on-list-of-companies-taking-quiet-cia-funding/
1452763;1460744039;BingoBoingo;^ Perhaps of interest to Herr vulpes?
1452764;1460744075;mod6;BingoBoingo & trinque; im not sure how i seem to stay connected for as long as i generally do. but i bet among us all, i have the longest running connection times; on average.
1452765;1460744093;mod6;And I do nothing special really. Have a node for irc, using irssi.
1452766;1460744118;BingoBoingo;mod6: Before the divorce I'd keep connected for weeks at a time. Basically until I did something that closed connection.
1452767;1460744155;trinque;the deedbots are entirely separate source code. one's golang, the other's lisp. both tend to disconnect around the same times, and when the box they're on is minimally loaded
1452768;1460744158;mod6;I propose that we do not move (too hard to get a full net of slave nodes going + ddos mitigation, which, you know we'll need desperately) until we break off with gossip
1452769;1460744187;trinque;I agree with that; there's no solution other than gossipd
1452770;1460744196;mod6;these issues could very well be the node you're connecting to on freenode i guess. *shrug*
1452771;1460744198;trinque;and then, y'know, having our own internet
1452772;1460744211;mod6;right.
1452773;1460744238;mod6;i know. freenode sucks. but, its what it is for now.
1452774;1460744296;mod6;shinohai drinks a glass to tmsr [~]D << here's to your birthday pal
1452775;1460744318;BingoBoingo;I'm just bringing this up because the timing of the enshittening seems suspish
1452776;1460744322;shinohai;thx mod6 cheers!
1452777;1460744360;*;BingoBoingo drinks shaker of brotein to shinohai's birthday.
1452778;1460744410;trinque;matcha over here
1452779;1460744410;mod6;BingoBoingo: eh, yeah, i doubt it. not saying that you're wrong; just that, you can't dos a channel itself. only its individuals if you know its inhabitants.
1452780;1460744423;mod6;like that dos thing that used to sit in #b-a and collect ips
1452781;1460744433;trinque;mod6: other chans I frequent are seeing lots of disconnects and timeouts
1452782;1460744448;mod6;yeah, that's probably good-ole fleanode degradation
1452783;1460744475;trinque;yup, 'tis a shitpile
1452784;1460744514;mod6;i mean, i think we're pretty special and all, ( ;D ) but i doubt theres a bunch of people who care enough to try to slag down the whole fleanode because of drama.
1452785;1460744547;shinohai;Both my irc client and bot stay connected here pretty good, but both are on same box.
1452786;1460744559;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: eh, yeah, i doubt it. not saying that you're wrong; just that, you can't dos a channel itself. only its individuals if you know its inhabitants. << I'm not trying to imply anything other than timing of my connection's enshittening seems suspish
1452787;1460744587;BingoBoingo;Who knows? Maybe having one more channel was too much for Freenode?
1452788;1460744612;mod6;ah. could be. i'd venture to guess that perhaps its the node or nodes on the network segment you're connecting to doing something weird, or bad, or being attacked.
1452789;1460744631;mod6;i have like 10 channels open at all times, for decades.
1452790;1460744642;mod6;damn near decades anyway.
1452791;1460744927;BingoBoingo;In other lulz https://archive.is/jJowM
1452792;1460745828;mircea_popescu;shinohai> lulz not lulls << werd!
1452793;1460745857;shinohai;^____^
1452794;1460745858;mircea_popescu;* danielpbarron pours a whiskey << ron cubano original ftw!
1452795;1460745901;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo as they explained, they've learned from lessons of the past and will be doing things differently or somesuch.
1452796;1460745910;mircea_popescu;we're prolly going to actually need gossipd before we have it.
1452797;1460746025;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes you can ddos "a channel itself" in the sense that if it runs on its own infrastructure you just ddos the nodes, ie individual instances running ircd or equivalent.
1452798;1460746051;mircea_popescu;* Welcome to the freenode Internet Relay Chat Network mircea_popescu Your host is barjavel.freenode.net[195.154.200.232/8001], running version ircd-seven-1.1.3 << this thing
1452799;1460746177;shinohai;Remember the old days when you could mass kick everyone from chan and take over on some ircd's
1452800;1460746338;mircea_popescu;vaguely
1452801;1460746919;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/deed-403869-1.txt << in which i discover that the original application was never deeded o.O
1452802;1460748391;mod6;hmm
1452803;1460748417;mod6;i dunno. anyway, i just thought, not impossible, just seemed unlikely.
1452804;1460748680;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4191
1452805;1460750106;deedbot-;[Trilema] BitBet final settlement - http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-final-settlement/
1452806;1460750526;mircea_popescu;i guess. that's the bidding nick tho.
1452807;1460750683;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's the same guy, but w/e
1452808;1460751569;mircea_popescu;in other news, if you send me "notices" ima ignore you. win-win.
1452809;1460752154;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo should be interesting once the gods of coincidence arrange for a mob of welfare derps to assault the house of some gonzo or other, resulting in machine gun fire from multiple positions and a few dozen dead innocent bystanders.
1452810;1460752209;BingoBoingo;Maybe routine in 15 years?
1452811;1460752240;mircea_popescu;routine it'll never be, don't imagine the rats are all too brave.
1452812;1460752249;mircea_popescu;but now and again, it should occur.
1452813;1460752323;BingoBoingo;All it takes to become routine is the rats becoming *MORE* ratlike.
1452814;1460752378;mircea_popescu;romania has and throughout history had the about same exact ethnogroup. gypsyes rather than black, but otherwise exactly identical : loud, gregarious, female-centered, easily dominated by a coupla decisive men etc.
1452815;1460752392;mircea_popescu;there's no "more" ratlike. this is, by and large, the golden age.
1452816;1460752395;mircea_popescu;all downhill from here.
1452817;1460752555;BingoBoingo;Ah
1452818;1460752594;mircea_popescu;(oh, yeah, and in a pile of mutatis mutandis lulz, gypsy 'music' [manele] almost exactly replicated the itinerary of black 'music' [rap] except compressed over a decade instead of three. amusingly enough - the participants were extremely fucking EARNEST! in complete and unabashed unawarness of the systemic nature of their deeply personal, thoroughly felt, aesthetico-political choices
1452819;1460752612;mircea_popescu;i had the lulz of my life for an entire decade on the topic. there's, by and large, nothing dumber than people.)
1452820;1460752670;mircea_popescu;everything you ever saw said or thought or felt about rap as a subcultural phenomenon, some romanian somewhere thought, said or felt, as if they were his fucking own words, feelings and thoughts! and the groups respectively map, also!
1452821;1460752674;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/docker/comments/4eyp3e/docker_quietly_taking_cia_money/
1452822;1460752808;BingoBoingo;In various Theo poor https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=146075114225572&w=2
1452823;1460756607;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1452824;1460756611;gribble;Current Blocks: 407462 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1785 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 26 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1452825;1460756615;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1452826;1460756623;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.45, vol: 4271.41215787 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 425.426, vol: 5788.85884 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.44, vol: 15533.2622823 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.298392, vol: 32002.23470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.0, vol: 596.10021561 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 431.20945, vol: 31.48555609 | Volume-weighted last average: 429.430709964
1452827;1460756932;*;asciilifeform was just in a marina. long story.
1452828;1460756995;BingoBoingo;Automating longshoremen?
1452829;1460757106;phf;visiting with capital yacht club m'boy
1452830;1460757654;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --currency rmb
1452831;1460757655;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
1452832;1460758618;mircea_popescu;lulz
1452833;1460758950;mircea_popescu;and in other "things foodstamp hipsters do not like to hear" news, https://archive.is/VbZJV#selection-1889.0-1889.9
1452834;1460760558;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/tObou
1452835;1460760564;BingoBoingo;$up dooglus
1452836;1460760566;deedbot;dooglus voiced for 30 minutes.
1452837;1460762761;ben_vulpes;i just saw something that looked a lot like CLOS in clojure
1452838;1460762765;ben_vulpes;product of the DoD
1452839;1460762901;phf;http://clojurewest.org/images/speakers/2016/mpatella.jpg http://clojurewest.org/images/speakers/2016/bcovert.jpg http://clojurewest.org/images/speakers/2016/kfellows.jpg http://clojurewest.org/images/speakers/2016/mdrogalis.jpg http://clojurewest.org/images/speakers/2016/bbatsov.jpg
1452840;1460762910;phf;christ man why would you do that to yourself
1452841;1460763022;adlai;ben_vulpes: wait till you see something that looks like javascript in CLOS, product of the adlai department of teenage larvalry
1452842;1460763122;mircea_popescu;cuz i'm just a teenage dirtbag baby...
1452843;1460763862;ben_vulpes;phf: gotta eat
1452844;1460763901;ben_vulpes;(also missed all of those talks, although i am looking forward to the bbatsov talk)
1452845;1460763905;ben_vulpes;(may be hard to not heckle)
1452846;1460765471;shinohai;$gettrust PeterL
1452847;1460765473;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 5 connections.
1452848;1460767488;shinohai;will this be compatible with btcalpha at some point?
1452849;1460767531;asciilifeform;phf: holy fuck who are those clowns
1452850;1460767651;asciilifeform;and where the hell has ben_vulpes been slummin'
1452851;1460767711;shinohai;$rate PerterL -1 no I shall not voice you in #trilema
1452852;1460767712;deedbot;PerterL is not registered in WoT.
1452853;1460767729;shinohai;$rate PeterL -1 no I shall not voice you in #trilema
1452854;1460767737;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/153e47a4-fc4e-472c-aefe-2d4bbc075c12/
1452855;1460767746;asciilifeform;shinohai: wat'd he do
1452856;1460767758;asciilifeform;or is it more of a general snore
1452857;1460767766;shinohai;general snore
1452858;1460767824;shinohai;I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit.
1452859;1460767887;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/04/docker-on-list-of-companies-taking-quiet-cia-funding << INCIDENTALLY no acknowledgement of my investigative thread in #b-a re ALL of the interesting in-q-tel firms
1452860;1460767902;asciilifeform;'accident', 'irrelevant', aha.
1452861;1460767942;asciilifeform;in the 'intercept' link, i mean
1452862;1460767957;asciilifeform;'THE CIA IS INVESTING IN FIRMS THAT MINE YOUR TWEETS AND INSTAGRAM PHOTOS'
1452863;1460767981;asciilifeform;'Yet among the 38 previously undisclosed companies receiving In-Q-Tel funding' << false, they were all disclosed in the tax document i dissected HERE
1452864;1460768042;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform should prolly link it, i suspect BingoBoingo more than happy to edit.
1452865;1460768078;BingoBoingo;I must have missed the thread
1452866;1460768094;asciilifeform;i wasn't whining about BingoBoingo , except by mistake
1452867;1460768098;asciilifeform;but the journaderps linked.
1452868;1460768105;mircea_popescu;still would make a better qntra
1452869;1460768112;asciilifeform;yeah i never bothered to write it up
1452870;1460768114;asciilifeform;except here.
1452871;1460768119;asciilifeform;see logz.
1452872;1460768121;mircea_popescu;so link plox
1452873;1460768127;BingoBoingo;^
1452874;1460768162;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, mike8572937 and trinque were sorting out some psql scheme to intertalk.
1452875;1460768195;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/12-04-2015 and http://btcbase.org/log/04-12-2015 BOTH DEAD
1452876;1460768198;asciilifeform;for FUCKS sake
1452877;1460768199;BingoBoingo;ty
1452878;1460768207;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015 << enjoy.
1452879;1460768265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the format is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16
1452880;1460768274;asciilifeform;hm.
1452881;1460768275;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, http://btcbase.org/log/?date=12-04-2015
1452882;1460768342;asciilifeform;^ this loads TODAY's log
1452883;1460768343;asciilifeform;try it.
1452884;1460768368;asciilifeform;i think phf's bot is under repair or sumthing.
1452885;1460768389;mircea_popescu;well yes, seeing how today is 2016 the 16th of 4 ?
1452886;1460768402;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-16 loads a year ago
1452887;1460768403;asciilifeform;that was 2015 link
1452888;1460768409;mircea_popescu;what "that"
1452889;1460768415;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/?date=12-04-2015
1452890;1460768443;mircea_popescu;oh. hm.
1452891;1460768457;mircea_popescu;i guess that got taken out. anyway.
1452892;1460768466;asciilifeform;and ftr i have nfi why the date format needed monkeying with.
1452893;1460768488;mircea_popescu;that part i understand - iso something. what i odn't understand is why no redirects, but w/e.
1452894;1460768497;asciilifeform;why do we care about iso ?
1452895;1460768503;mircea_popescu;we don't, but he does, apparently.
1452896;1460768513;asciilifeform;no redirects because how do you process, e.g., 03-04-...
1452897;1460768531;mircea_popescu;same way you process any other string.
1452898;1460768553;asciilifeform;yeah but how do you decide whether it's an isotronic one or old-style to be redirected.
1452899;1460768573;mircea_popescu;because if you see it as ?fixme=blabla you redirect it :D
1452900;1460768577;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1452901;1460768605;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/04/docker-on-list-of-companies-taking-quiet-cia-funding/ << Updated to include alflink
1452902;1460768606;asciilifeform;l0l ben_vulpes lulzy work ad
1452903;1460768618;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes sadly i dun think i qualify
1452904;1460768618;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1452905;1460768647;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a) summary much better than link b) btcbase plox.
1452906;1460768690;BingoBoingo;Will be replaced by btcbase once link can be translated. This is a working patch.
1452907;1460768717;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-12 <
1452908;1460768748;asciilifeform;no
1452909;1460768755;asciilifeform;not same page !
1452910;1460768764;asciilifeform;no in-q-tel in there !
1452911;1460768773;mircea_popescu;now that's bizarre.
1452912;1460768809;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-04 <<
1452913;1460768811;asciilifeform;FUCK ISO
1452914;1460768824;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-03#1336065 this ?
1452915;1460768824;a111;Logged on 2015-12-03 22:00 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: cia owns a hedge fund called in-q-tel
1452916;1460768826;mircea_popescu;aha
1452917;1460768918;BingoBoingo;link btcbased nao
1452918;1460768967;asciilifeform;in other noose,
1452919;1460768997;asciilifeform;UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. CERTAIN FUNDS ON DEPOSIT IN VARIOUS ACCOUNTS DETAILED HEREIN, AND ALL FUNDS TRACEABLE THERETO Defendants-in-rem.
1452920;1460769008;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/04/talan-001.pdf << Preeeeeeeet!111111
1452921;1460769015;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo / qntra ^^ ?
1452922;1460769019;mircea_popescu;their usual derpage, neh ?
1452923;1460769028;asciilifeform;yeah but i love the title.
1452924;1460769030;asciilifeform;it winz.
1452925;1460769034;mircea_popescu;yeah nb
1452926;1460769051;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: pls to write up?
1452927;1460769056;asciilifeform;who, me
1452928;1460769071;BingoBoingo;Why not. You have a title in mind apparently.
1452929;1460769079;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that was the actual case !
1452930;1460769084;asciilifeform;the docket title.
1452931;1460769110;asciilifeform;most of the dough isn't anywhere near usa
1452932;1460769145;BingoBoingo;I'd understand this better if you take 100-300 words and explain this with paragraph(s)
1452933;1460769153;asciilifeform;cyprus, latvia, hongkong, hungary, slovakia, estonia.
1452934;1460769178;mircea_popescu;usg aspiring to be as cool as http://deedbot.org/deed-350404-1.txt
1452935;1460769187;*;BingoBoingo not a scheme-79 chip. Does not operate off of lists alone.
1452936;1460769193;asciilifeform;preet proclaims that various derps impersonated officers of some ameriderp co. and led away 100 mil usd.
1452937;1460769202;asciilifeform;and parked them in above-mentioned bankz
1452938;1460769225;asciilifeform;and now 25m of these are to be, by royal decree, forfeited to the usg crown
1452939;1460769234;asciilifeform;this is what i gather from 5m of read.
1452940;1460769328;BingoBoingo;...
1452941;1460769399;shinohai;i am protected on twitter: ggg?G encryption
1452942;1460769409;asciilifeform;waahwat
1452943;1460769630;shinohai;#rot13
1452944;1460770726;mike_c;;;seen phf
1452945;1460770726;gribble;phf was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: christ man why would you do that to yourself
1452946;1460771118;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452820 << ahahahaha, 'Pai ca s-a luat de-una Elena / Ucenica la Igiena' (tm) (r) !
1452947;1460771118;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 20:37 mircea_popescu: everything you ever saw said or thought or felt about rap as a subcultural phenomenon, some romanian somewhere thought, said or felt, as if they were his fucking own words, feelings and thoughts! and the groups respectively map, also!
1452948;1460771290;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452822 << lulzily, i own the box being whined about
1452949;1460771290;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 20:40 BingoBoingo: In various Theo poor https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=146075114225572&w=2
1452950;1460771703;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452834 << l0l! 'We all know of that one person in the military that has "That Spouse" the one's who think they are entitled to the whole world, who don't have do do anything but eat twinkies and make babies. Floors cluttered with old diapers and wrappers from 6 day old cheeseburgers. Well... we got one, and we're happily giving her back to you.' << dependapotamus !!11
1452951;1460771703;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 22:49 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/tObou
1452952;1460771834;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that link is gold.
1452953;1460773860;pete_dushenski;well if that wasn't a jam-packed week, i wouldn't be eating straight pb sandwiches right now
1452954;1460773884;pete_dushenski;looks like a wd to davout is in order
1452955;1460773974;pete_dushenski;and le deedbot- missed this guy last night : http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/15/her-irl-sharps-robohon/ not like it's sooper relevant for ye olde tmsr~, but hey, i thought it worth writing about
1452956;1460774141;pete_dushenski;http://dpaste.com/0WEJ6BF.txt << this is a new flavour of blackholing trb for me. "added time data" ??!
1452957;1460774178;pete_dushenski;anyone who's seen this is invited to educate me. i'm here to learn.
1452958;1460774209;pete_dushenski;either way, the thing unjammed itself in about 4 hours and is back to normal. no restart, no majick required.
1452959;1460774269;pete_dushenski;http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/04/11/defying-the-digital-revolution-radio-still-rules-the-road-infographic/#5b8e4e0e7bd5 << one for BingoBoingo
1452960;1460774308;pete_dushenski;http://mentalfloss.com/article/55140/10-japanese-travel-tips-visiting-america << one for entemologists visiting usistan
1452961;1460774412;pete_dushenski;http://outbreaknewstoday.com/plague-vaccine-from-the-sky-government-officials-propose-using-drones-to-vaccinate-prairie-dogs-82724/ << and perhaps a qntra newsicle for the immunologists cum technologists cum naturalists on staff
1452962;1460774587;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1452952 << truly.
1452963;1460774587;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 01:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that link is gold.
1452964;1460774742;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452346 << hm. only about $100 eh. maybe if i'm good this christmas i'll splurge.
1452965;1460774742;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 00:20 asciilifeform: smoothest action i've ever felt.
1452966;1460774755;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: where for 100 ?!
1452967;1460774768;pete_dushenski;all over ebay
1452968;1460774768;asciilifeform;i'll take 10 plox
1452969;1460774771;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: nope.
1452970;1460774779;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you're prolly seeing the model-M 122.
1452971;1460774786;asciilifeform;cheapola.
1452972;1460774798;asciilifeform;entirely different mechanism.
1452973;1460774882;asciilifeform;(model f is unusable with any modern machine without aftermarket controller, which has to be soldered in and manually calibrated for each key. ~100 on its own, incidentally. plus a weekend of sweat.)
1452974;1460774890;pete_dushenski;gotcha. i guess this was closest at a glance. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-Model-F-83-Key-XT-Personal-Computer-Keyboard-Vintage-/262381609922?hash=item3d1729a3c2:g:58IAAOSwq19XBq96
1452975;1460774895;asciilifeform;xt. no arrow keys.
1452976;1460774897;asciilifeform;rubbish.
1452977;1460774905;asciilifeform;yeah these are a dime a dozen
1452978;1460774909;asciilifeform;~nobody wants.
1452979;1460774915;pete_dushenski;gotta have arrow keys, true
1452980;1460774938;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so wheredja find yours ?
1452981;1460774955;asciilifeform;ebay.
1452982;1460774961;asciilifeform;took several years tho.
1452983;1460774980;asciilifeform;and i have nfi when i will have time to properly massage the thing.
1452984;1460775037;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452674 << just received 'homemade' dice from family visiting morocco. looking forward to rolling a few thousand times and observing the distribution. maybe this weekend
1452985;1460775037;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 15:22 asciilifeform: and yes, yes, 'everyone has dice'
1452986;1460775061;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: don't sleep so much ?
1452987;1460775100;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452703 << bon anniversaire !
1452988;1460775100;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 16:40 shinohai: Good here mod6, 'tis my birthday so making plans to go out later, and you?
1452989;1460775106;asciilifeform;how did pete_dushenski get the impression that i sleep.
1452990;1460775220;pete_dushenski;your sunny demeanour!
1452991;1460775226;asciilifeform;lel
1452992;1460775373;pete_dushenski;http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CoverStory-Hanuka-TaketheLTrain-879x1200-1459461739.jpg << heh. notbad.
1452993;1460775733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol! quite. ea statea trista in birtiy....
1452994;1460775740;asciilifeform;aha!
1452995;1460775756;asciilifeform;except, note, mega-difference, gypsies speak human language
1452996;1460775760;asciilifeform;not monkey grunts.
1452997;1460775767;asciilifeform;so - not rap.
1452998;1460775816;asciilifeform;incidentally anyone who likes the mega-s0ng will find all he can eat in ru 'радио шансон', devoted to subj.
1452999;1460775821;asciilifeform;very much same flavour.
1453000;1460775834;mircea_popescu;i find it quite incredible you know it!
1453001;1460775842;asciilifeform;how do you suppose i knew it!
1453002;1460775855;asciilifeform;( mega-surprise: from mircea_popescu )
1453003;1460775855;mircea_popescu;anyway. very much captures the essence of mahala [ie, orc quarters in ro town]
1453004;1460775862;mircea_popescu;o o
1453005;1460775887;asciilifeform;it is sitting in whole, in vintage trilema somewhere
1453006;1460775900;mircea_popescu;i recall now.
1453007;1460775931;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451300 << not quite sure about that reading. it woulda been a neat opportunity, but to be fair to znort she (pretty sure 'she) will do the property more justice than i probably could've
1453008;1460775931;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 23:59 BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.
1453009;1460775941;mircea_popescu;radio chanson ? :D
1453010;1460775945;asciilifeform;aha.
1453011;1460775949;mircea_popescu;aaaahahaha
1453012;1460775960;mircea_popescu;yep, i am certain it is exactly the right thing bwahahaha
1453013;1460775994;mircea_popescu;funnily enough, ro superlative of redditesque broadcaster is "radio sant" (approx, radio ditch)
1453014;1460776004;mircea_popescu;sounds exactly like шанс
1453015;1460776110;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski wait bitbet winner's a chick ?
1453016;1460776118;asciilifeform;http://radioshanson.fm << stream. for aficionados.
1453017;1460776137;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: afaik
1453018;1460776143;mircea_popescu;cool.
1453019;1460776146;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: how did you come to this notion ?
1453020;1460776160;pete_dushenski;she's too nice to be a dood!
1453021;1460776168;mircea_popescu;eh get out
1453022;1460776180;pete_dushenski;nah, she shot me a gpg-gram, girl's name popped up
1453023;1460776373;pete_dushenski;but don't take my hunches as god's word, intel dept i'm not
1453024;1460778060;BingoBoingo;Oh, adlai is on Abilify
1453025;1460778156;BingoBoingo; nah, she shot me a gpg-gram, girl's name popped up << It took people a while to catch on that rassah is a furry pervert.
1453026;1460779043;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1453027;1460779047;gribble;Current Blocks: 407499 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1453028;1460780308;BingoBoingo;"Everone on r/loseit is 300-400lbs of muscle, apparently" https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/987159
1453029;1460781525;mircea_popescu;it's not really possibru for humans to maintain more than maybe 160ish lbs of muscle actually.
1453030;1460781539;mircea_popescu;spleen's not infinite, kidneys don't scale, etc.
1453031;1460781768;BingoBoingo;Seriously, but the people on /r/loseit insist that of their 400 pounds of adipose tissue only 20-50 are actually fat
1453032;1460787598;BingoBoingo;$up gabriel_laddel
1453033;1460787600;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1453034;1460787627;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#943016 << asciilifeform: could you please name some specific algorithms that fixing the von n. bottleneck (fast shared memory) would speed up to a great degree? Specifc well known models would also suffice for my purposes...
1453035;1460787627;a111;Logged on 2014-12-02 23:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: two 0 old cpus are faster than a 0 modern << not for molecular dynamics sim. need fast shared memory.
1453036;1460787785;gabriel_laddel;They don't have to be related to molecular dynamics simulations, though that is why I'm asking...
1453037;1460788721;mircea_popescu;folding proteins for instance is essentially a search over a very large graph space
1453038;1460809521;shinohai;;;ticker market all
1453039;1460809521;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
1453040;1460809525;shinohai;;;more
1453041;1460809525;gribble;code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
1453042;1460809542;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1453043;1460809548;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.49, vol: 4003.80441241 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 427.834, vol: 5648.3498 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.42, vol: 12775.57809157 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 423.0, vol: 3.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 431.0848, vol: 25298.23400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.878, vol: 986.7561631 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.77241, vol: 23.55823004 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.085452528
1453044;1460809555;shinohai;;;more
1453045;1460809555;gribble;Error: That's all, there is no more.
1453046;1460812005;davout;deedbot: http://dpaste.com/2DMHMJE.txt
1453047;1460812111;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2DMHMJE.txt
1453048;1460812136;davout;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2DMHMJE.txt
1453049;1460815398;mircea_popescu;no hay mas more!
1453050;1460815728;shinohai;Como puedes decir que hay no mas? Somos un pais RIQUISSIMO en recursos humanos.
1453051;1460815768;mircea_popescu;rescorias humanos.
1453052;1460816938;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1453053;1460817308;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453034 << walk the l0gz and read re muller gate / async cpu. and no we don't have well-developed algos ~specifically~ for these, because they don't exist yet.
1453054;1460817308;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 06:20 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#943016 << asciilifeform: could you please name some specific algorithms that fixing the von n. bottleneck (fast shared memory) would speed up to a great degree? Specifc well known models would also suffice for my purposes...
1453055;1460817343;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453036 << md barely works.
1453056;1460817343;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 06:23 gabriel_laddel: They don't have to be related to molecular dynamics simulations, though that is why I'm asking...
1453057;1460818536;asciilifeform;in other lulz,
1453058;1460818537;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/BYo9u
1453059;1460818549;asciilifeform;^ scenes from a place called annapolis (md, usa.)
1453060;1460818577;asciilifeform;interesting town - scarcely ANY fast food crud, locals greet you on the street, look HUMAN, etc.
1453061;1460818605;asciilifeform;(not coincidentally, manhattan-level real estate bubble there)
1453062;1460818615;mircea_popescu;lol
1453063;1460818618;asciilifeform;feels as different from washington as timisoara.
1453064;1460818628;mircea_popescu;"how to push up real estate values ? HERE'S A THOUGHT!"
1453065;1460818644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will prolly l0l over the ship invader chick
1453066;1460818655;asciilifeform;(wanted poster, last of 4 photo)
1453067;1460818677;mircea_popescu;"make it a place someone might wish to live in!!!
1453068;1460818693;asciilifeform;it was astonishing, ~0 orcs.
1453069;1460818703;asciilifeform;NO smell of petrol engine
1453070;1460818717;asciilifeform;NO smell of mcfood
1453071;1460818802;mircea_popescu;you took a vacation there is it ?
1453072;1460819537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nah, passed through 1 day on biznis.
1453073;1460819568;mircea_popescu;a
1453074;1460820649;asciilifeform;$up Brucio-85
1453075;1460820650;deedbot;Brucio-85 voiced for 30 minutes.
1453076;1460820715;asciilifeform;first photo is of standard su naval clock. for some reason it is a beloved souvenir among u.s. navy folks.
1453077;1460820767;asciilifeform;(they typically like to imagine that the thing is salvaged from a sunken sub, while in actuality the damn things are sold by the pallet-load surplus since '91 or so)
1453078;1460820836;Brucio-85;Brucio-85 is me?
1453079;1460820838;Brucio-85;shit.
1453080;1460820869;Brucio-85;I guess the DDOS has not followed from #b-a to #trilema then?
1453081;1460820893;asciilifeform;it gave up the ghost long ago.
1453082;1460820968;mircea_popescu;bout a year or so.
1453083;1460825772;shinohai;;;isup archive.is
1453084;1460825774;gribble;archive.is is up
1453085;1460825958;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wRY
1453086;1460825958;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453087;1460830152;mircea_popescu;$up liquidassets
1453088;1460830155;deedbot;liquidassets voiced for 30 minutes.
1453089;1460830952;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, pity the white anglotard is inept and ineffectual. "hello i'm ian murdock and i work at docker. i'm going to maybe do something against the police. on twitter. it'll all be unsubstantial and i'll whine about suicide."
1453090;1460830983;mircea_popescu;fucking army of jwz over there, "just wanted to". debian comes last after sun and fucking sales force ?
1453091;1460831008;mircea_popescu;derp deserves everything he gets. "oh i made 1.4mn dollars last year". good for you and choke on it.
1453092;1460831109;mircea_popescu;"debian world's first [albeit primitive] app store" jesus fucking christ i've never been this insulted in my life.
1453093;1460831290;mircea_popescu;henceforth i'll be referring to the poisonous delusion that there is or could be some kind of separation between technical ability and political standing as science. as in #bitcoin-asscience.
1453094;1460831303;mircea_popescu;"i just wanted to asscience!11" pshhhhh
1453095;1460831704;asciilifeform;waiwut
1453096;1460831711;asciilifeform;i thought the debian hanging thing was old nyooz..?
1453097;1460831765;asciilifeform;and where exactly was the derp's 'technical ability' ?
1453098;1460831769;asciilifeform;i dun see it.
1453099;1460836101;davout;deedbot: http://dpaste.com/1E9QGDH.txt
1453100;1460836158;davout;$deed http://dpaste.com/1E9QGDH.txt
1453101;1460836165;trinque;other one still.
1453102;1460836169;trinque;$up deedbot-
1453103;1460836177;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1E9QGDH.txt
1453104;1460836188;davout;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1E9QGDH.txt
1453105;1460836202;deedbot;Primary key fingerprint: 2912 37F3 7A2C 023C ADBE D525 1328 8EAB 0171 3428
1453106;1460836206;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1453107;1460836225;trinque;pretty sure that took, but it was not voiced at the time
1453108;1460836267;trinque;davout: yeah, it's in the queue
1453109;1460836282;davout;yeah, i see the previous ones as well on deedbot.org
1453110;1460836283;trinque;next week I'll kill deedbot-, gotta make the rest of the process eat from postgresql instead of sqlite
1453111;1460836335;davout;so what's the canonical way to deed?
1453112;1460836359;trinque;deedbot- http://deedurl
1453113;1460836360;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1453114;1460836438;davout;trinque: also i think the new blog posts didn't make it to the chan due to the bot not being voiced
1453115;1460837042;BingoBoingo;http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction aha
1453116;1460837240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not news, no.
1453117;1460837354;mircea_popescu;ah 35kb not so terribru
1453118;1460838320;davout;mircea_popescu: there's two hex chars per byte, so it's two times less
1453119;1460838442;mircea_popescu;i guess you did a lot of merging huh.
1453120;1460838609;davout;yep
1453121;1460839211;deedbot-;[Qntra] Senior Swindler Sentenced - http://qntra.net/2016/04/senior-swindler-sentenced/
1453122;1460839883;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo
1453123;1460839898;BingoBoingo;yw
1453124;1460839914;shinohai;props on the title
1453125;1460840193;BingoBoingo;ty
1453126;1460840203;BingoBoingo;Practice helps with titles too.
1453127;1460840309;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.page2images.com/ actually turns https://archive.is/DcVrY into a (25kb long) image ; as opposed to all the other website capture www turdatrons out there, that uniformly die, more or less silently.
1453128;1460840371;BingoBoingo;interesting.
1453129;1460840399;shinohai;with an api even
1453130;1460840415;mircea_popescu;yeah. i mention because seriously, people doing things correctly are so rare by now...
1453131;1460840525;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/04/faa-declares-up-to-20-years-in-prison-for-self-defense-against-drones-dronelivesmatter/
1453132;1460840534;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1453133;1460840650;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1453134;1460840771;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/0hFeq0.png
1453135;1460840909;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/Ol6Ccz.png
1453136;1460841174;shinohai;;;later tell dooglus thanks for the OpenBazaar lulz
1453137;1460841174;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453138;1460841991;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437556.0 <<< would not be surprised to see nubbins` selling this atrocity.
1453139;1460843283;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1453140;1460843287;gribble;Current Blocks: 407604 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1643 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 7 hours, 56 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1453141;1460844656;mircea_popescu;and in the latest news from the vitriol factory, http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/
1453142;1460850500;mircea_popescu;aaand for history afficionados : mp in 2009, "the end of the world". http://trilema.com/2009/sfarsitul-lumii/
1453143;1460850699;*;shinohai needs to learn Romanian ...
1453144;1460852499;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Who needs GE or Citi when you have Bahamas and Putin endorsing Trump and Clinton
1453145;1460852629;mircea_popescu;heh.
1453146;1460852637;mircea_popescu;ironically, the lefties are getting their own ron paul.
1453147;1460852654;mircea_popescu;i hope bernie sanders lives ~500 years and runs every 4th
1453148;1460852742;BingoBoingo;I dunno. His campaign is going through the phase Trump's was September-January now. "Left" didn't start vilifying him soon enough.
1453149;1460855050;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1453150;1460855058;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 430.8, vol: 1881.06767983 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 427.266, vol: 3926.8073 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 433.49, vol: 7867.57863924 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 423.0, vol: 3.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 431.878416, vol: 24219.99910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.1, vol: 792.99639868 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.68524, vol: 18.24633306 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.645984035
1453151;1460856117;BingoBoingo;Nightmare material http://epmonthly.com/article/12609/
1453152;1460857375;*;hanbot looks forward to seeing what BingoBoingo gets cooking once he's fully inoculated himself against the terrors of the flesh.
1453153;1460857417;BingoBoingo;lol
1453154;1460858106;mircea_popescu;"On exam her vitals are normal and her general exam is unremarkable except for suprapubic tenderness with guarding but without rebound." << bad fucking news.
1453155;1460858153;mircea_popescu;aaand there's the edema.
1453156;1460870513;trinque;back in a moment.
1453157;1460872971;trinque;$key mike_c
1453158;1460873040;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/67434e09-5887-4a57-a817-0afd6e69d9d5/
1453159;1460873540;trinque;mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/779cbc56-d250-4897-b489-a98304f60233/
1453160;1460881066;mircea_popescu;sooo, freenode is patently going to shit. their dns round robin list is about half as long as it used to be, with stuff in the same subnet even, never seen before. and half the shit dun work, like say 185.30.166/24
1453161;1460881079;mircea_popescu;possibly why deedbot's gone, also.
1453162;1460881092;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing we'll see the end of it soon enough at this rate.
1453163;1460881165;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima be off to bed. laters.
1453164;1460897412;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1452858 << The Pb waters are in Flint, 60 miles north of Detroit, and I live in neither, I live another 60 miles north of that
1453165;1460897475;PeterL;shinohai: I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit.
1453166;1460898363;PeterL;or 100 km for you metric-usnig folk, that's actually a nicer number, I should have started with that.
1453167;1460899165;danielpbarron;$rated nubbins`
1453168;1460899165;deedbot;danielpbarron has not rated nubbins`.
1453169;1460899174;danielpbarron;;; later tell trinque ^ ??
1453170;1460899175;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453171;1460899210;danielpbarron;;; later tell nubbins` I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to send those two s.nsa shirts you already took payment for..
1453172;1460899210;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453173;1460899212;PeterL;might be becasue of capitalization? I think he said there were issues with that
1453174;1460900619;shinohai;$unrate PeterL
1453175;1460900635;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e9ab93a5-497d-40fe-951c-c8d39a2e6f15/
1453176;1460900679;shinohai;$v 07A21E5321F96CDA4DBCFA4CFC4F08D34410E12B8FC3D1DF2A091EB35E5B2887
1453177;1460900681;deedbot;shinohai unrated PeterL.
1453178;1460900689;shinohai;;;ticker
1453179;1460900690;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.92, Best ask: 428.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 428.93, 24 hour volume: 5861.59797194, 24 hour low: 428.0, 24 hour high: 433.49, 24 hour vwap: None
1453180;1460900861;asciilifeform;funny how folks remain interested, somehow, in this number, though it comes from the heathens.
1453181;1460900879;asciilifeform;and for all i know, is fictional entirely
1453182;1460900885;PeterL;do you have a better source?
1453183;1460900894;asciilifeform;not only do i not,
1453184;1460900926;asciilifeform;but there is (nor ever likely to be) a fiatola-btc exchange in wot
1453185;1460900946;PeterL;too bad -otc died
1453186;1460900948;asciilifeform;but that changes nothing.
1453187;1460900957;asciilifeform;was it even alive?
1453188;1460900970;PeterL;not sure, maybe sorta before my time here?
1453189;1460901029;asciilifeform;i have nfi
1453190;1460901078;*;asciilifeform did try to use otc on numerous occasions, never once made the desired deal. but - must note - was trying to purchase rarities.
1453191;1460901138;asciilifeform;the closest i ever came was when nubbins took up my offer re the btc src b00k
1453192;1460901259;asciilifeform;;;later tell danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453171 << you can have however many i have here or any subset for the cost of shipping - and i think i now have all of the remaining ones.
1453193;1460901259;a111;Logged on 2016-04-17 13:20 danielpbarron: ;; later tell nubbins` I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to send those two s.nsa shirts you already took payment for..
1453194;1460901260;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453195;1460901877;danielpbarron;yeah that was the deal i had with nubbins: a couple shirts for cost of shipping, and i paid for it before you had even expressed interest
1453196;1460902014;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, gimme a quote on a small box of them, like a dozen or so
1453197;1460902119;danielpbarron;regarding -otc, i made several thousands of dollars worth of trades through there, but in retrospect i think i just got lucky that none of them went sour
1453198;1460902185;danielpbarron;one of the guys i dealt with ended up flipping out over nothing and has been recently nagging me in private messages asking for copies of our signed contracts
1453199;1460902188;PeterL;is trading over -otc really comparable to trading over an exchange? seems like the exchange is much more usefull for generating a spot price?
1453200;1460902247;PeterL;danielpbarron: were any of your trades at prices different from the current exchange price?
1453201;1460902266;danielpbarron;yeah, i usually paid a premium
1453202;1460902323;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i cannot answer for nubs. but afaik i have all of the remaining shirts here, and very little use for them currently.
1453203;1460902363;asciilifeform;presently i intend to pass them out at next trilema-conf, whenever that is.
1453204;1460902401;asciilifeform;and/or wrap cardanos in them.
1453205;1460902446;asciilifeform;i still have even a few from the original crate!
1453206;1460902511;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453196 << i will weigh them next chance i get and report back
1453207;1460902511;a111;Logged on 2016-04-17 14:06 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, gimme a quote on a small box of them, like a dozen or so
1453208;1460902814;davout;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452605
1453209;1460902814;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 08:50 davout: re x.eur -> http://dpaste.com/0080X96.txt
1453210;1460903214;davout;asciilifeform: you should send me a couple if you're going to the post office anyway for danielpbarron
1453211;1460903264;davout;jurov: can you give me a foundation address? foundation will be owed .1337 btc after the bitbet receivership is done
1453212;1460903291;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453210 << usgpost dun wurk on sundays.
1453213;1460903291;a111;Logged on 2016-04-17 14:26 davout: asciilifeform: you should send me a couple if you're going to the post office anyway for danielpbarron
1453214;1460903336;davout;sure sure no rush at all
1453215;1460903398;asciilifeform;davout: pgpgram post addr, i will get to a post in the week
1453216;1460903418;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: also ^
1453217;1460903584;davout;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/28SQNVC.txt, feel free to include a cardano in the box :D
1453218;1460903626;danielpbarron;$key asciilifeform
1453219;1460903645;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/816335a4-a4a6-4478-ba69-3a0f863ef507/
1453220;1460904014;danielpbarron;;; later tell asciilifeform http://danielpbarron.com/ascii-shirts.asc.txt
1453221;1460904014;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453222;1460904026;shinohai;Here davout you can order my cardano unit for 1 BTC :D https://transfer.sh/awCtD/cardano.jpg
1453223;1460904037;*;shinohai ***some assembly required.
1453224;1460904093;danielpbarron;assembly just to get the image apparently
1453225;1460904181;asciilifeform;l0l
1453226;1460908180;mircea_popescu;hhhola!
1453227;1460908604;jurov;davout the addy is here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html
1453228;1460908627;asciilifeform;hola señor popescu..!
1453229;1460908684;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read this http://trilema.com/2009/sfarsitul-lumii and it reminded me of the other, more recent trilema article re: the drowned nyc vault with the trillion in paperz
1453230;1460908698;mircea_popescu;haha remember that ? epic shit.
1453231;1460908707;mircea_popescu;"oh we lost some trillions of... copies of... some papers we printed. problem ?"
1453232;1460908802;asciilifeform;i have actually nfi, but at the time i could not help but wonder how much of the jpmization of american bankz was engineered via precisely that kind of 'physical jubilee'
1453233;1460908818;mircea_popescu;certainly all of it.
1453234;1460908824;asciilifeform;'oops we rm -rf / 'd the capital allocationz. all mine now'
1453235;1460908829;mircea_popescu;can't have central planning without "anti money laundering"
1453236;1460908840;mircea_popescu;soviets know.
1453237;1460908872;asciilifeform;and certainly every orcish pesthole where they ever burned a gestapo archive with stoolie idents, knows.
1453238;1460909158;mircea_popescu;PeterL> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1452858 << The Pb waters are in Flint, 60 miles north of Detroit, and I live in neither, I live another 60 miles north of that << distance is not the relevant criteria. height is. are you upstream or downstream lol
1453239;1460909158;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 00:50 shinohai: I'll probably rerate when he stops drinking the Pb Waterz of Detroit.
1453240;1460909228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> was it even alive? << yes. before i left, amusingly enough. i still have teh archivez somewhere, but we opted not to integrate 'em.
1453241;1460909268;asciilifeform;i read some of the available material ( mircea_popescu must've posted it ?) but all i saw were btc-fiatola dealz
1453242;1460909273;asciilifeform;~nothing else
1453243;1460909291;asciilifeform;(aside from sc4mz0r1ng attempts)
1453244;1460909293;mircea_popescu;it was early tmsr, not even by that name, plus a lot of gunk.
1453245;1460909307;asciilifeform;like the uranium, then, in the sea.
1453246;1460909314;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah.
1453247;1460909347;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, should anyone care to see what a "full license" looks in the windows/www world, here you go : https://www.cryengine.com/get-cryengine/full-license
1453248;1460909381;mircea_popescu;testimonials + client list + call to action for a shitty spamform. problem ?
1453249;1460909423;asciilifeform;this is typical 'software industreeee'
1453250;1460909450;asciilifeform;and the more rancid the beggar, the louder shakes the cup
1453251;1460909546;mircea_popescu;it'd seem to my naive, unworldly eye that there's nothing below that ?
1453252;1460909555;mircea_popescu;how are they going to make it even shittier ?
1453253;1460909570;asciilifeform;nah it means same thing as manhole cover stamped 'sewer'
1453254;1460909585;asciilifeform;... that, unless you are a paid plumber, you do not ~want~ to open and see.
1453255;1460909997;mircea_popescu;maybe next step in degeneracy is a page consisting of pictures of cats.
1453256;1460910137;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lmao don't tell me, the self-elected defender of public interest split with some spare change.
1453257;1460910192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and/or wrap cardanos in them. << more or less was the original plan yeh. but don't be shy, give to friends.
1453258;1460910511;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453211 << win.
1453259;1460910511;a111;Logged on 2016-04-17 14:27 davout: jurov: can you give me a foundation address? foundation will be owed .1337 btc after the bitbet receivership is done
1453260;1460910535;mircea_popescu;tho, was it 1% or .1% ? iirc the latter neh ? someone hiked the tax 1000% last year ?!
1453261;1460910590;mircea_popescu;fucking republic, tax goes up 10x, nobody as much as notices.
1453262;1460910621;mircea_popescu;empire tries to get a pesky extra 1%, all hell breaks loose.
1453263;1460910711;davout;i'm from socialist france, 1% sounds like a terrific deal
1453264;1460910831;mircea_popescu;hey, no law against overpaying.
1453265;1460910845;mircea_popescu;or against underpaying, come to think about it...
1453266;1460911143;mircea_popescu;trinque here's a thought : would it be possible to have deedbot- (or i guess its successor) pm a link to whoever sent it a deed once that deed has been included in a block ?
1453267;1460911151;mircea_popescu;obviously some assembly required, but it'd help loads.
1453268;1460911177;mircea_popescu;doesn't even have to be pm, actually. could also say here, "hey X, your deed was notarized : url"
1453269;1460911188;mircea_popescu;possibly better this way.
1453270;1460924948;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453160 <<< sadly, yes.
1453271;1460924948;a111;Logged on 2016-04-17 08:17 mircea_popescu: sooo, freenode is patently going to shit. their dns round robin list is about half as long as it used to be, with stuff in the same subnet even, never seen before. and half the shit dun work, like say 185.30.166/24
1453272;1460935957;phf;i've been nursing hangover all day, waking up every few hours to both my bouncer and my bot being down
1453273;1460936125;phf;in fact nc -v chat.freenode.net 6667 from the bouncer host is giving me connection timeout, but this random connection works :o
1453274;1460940768;mircea_popescu;phf aha it's been shit.
1453275;1460940998;phf;i think i'm going to punt on bot fleet, and just focus on robust reconnect. worst thing is trying to powercycle a bot connection, while the room is spinning
1453276;1460941041;mircea_popescu;bot fleet is not a bad idea but premature.
1453277;1460941817;trinque;irc is terrible; I just told mine to kill itself and be restarted by runit when *anything* weird happens at all
1453278;1460941862;trinque;seems to be working; I have the exceptions logged, so if there are any that are worth fixing in a smarter way I'll have that information.
1453279;1460941884;trinque;but whether SSL took a shit or ping timed out or... really has no bearing on what I'm going to do next
1453280;1460941888;*;trinque tips hat to erlang
1453281;1460942029;mike_c;that bot is like blinding fast
1453282;1460942035;mike_c;phf: what's the database name?
1453283;1460942041;mike_c;need it to connect
1453284;1460942059;phf;what database
1453285;1460942080;mike_c;that feels like a trick question. the one with the ratings
1453286;1460942086;mike_c;you gave me server, etc. but not DB name
1453287;1460942091;trinque;you're drunk mike_c
1453288;1460942094;trinque;I gave you that :P
1453289;1460942095;mike_c;sweet jesus
1453290;1460942097;phf;indeed
1453291;1460942113;mike_c;in my log it says: "trinque: what's the database name?"
1453292;1460942118;mike_c;I don't know what you guys are smoking
1453293;1460942128;trinque;what
1453294;1460942133;mike_c;:)
1453295;1460942136;trinque;lol
1453296;1460942313;mike_c;so, something that isn't there is 'last seen'
1453297;1460942321;mike_c;which can be useful
1453298;1460942362;trinque;yeah, prolly as a command too
1453299;1460942373;mike_c;and 'registered', which is.. somewhat useful as well
1453300;1460942390;mircea_popescu;trinque there's something very deeply wrong about a system in which "what happened" has no bearing on "what to do next".
1453301;1460942598;trinque;probably terribly worded on my part.
1453302;1460942625;trinque;all the condtions which result in losing my connection ought to be followed by re-establishing that connection
1453303;1460942993;*;BingoBoingo prefers the days of epic netsplits to this bullshit
1453304;1460943140;trinque;http://dpaste.com/25X3X3P.txt << meanwhile this is apparently what #freenode is for
1453305;1460943261;asciilifeform;soo seems like fleas of fleanode are bitin' lately?
1453306;1460943327;BingoBoingo;took hours for a reconnect to hit after the last time I was bumped off
1453307;1460943359;asciilifeform;hours??
1453308;1460943387;BingoBoingo;yes
1453309;1460943400;phf;same with my bouncer, it's back up, but "chat.freenode.org" was giving me timeouts since about 1pm to 7pm EST
1453310;1460943403;BingoBoingo;For reconnect roulette to hook a live freenode
1453311;1460943403;asciilifeform;do you have a hardcoded x.fleanode or do you use the chat.fleanode.. randomizer ?
1453312;1460943409;asciilifeform;ah
1453313;1460943415;BingoBoingo;randomizer atm
1453314;1460943443;phf;wolfe has always been pretty reliable, and i think that's where randomizer's been putting me
1453315;1460943615;asciilifeform;chat.f is a screaming singlepointoffailure
1453316;1460943633;asciilifeform;but whole thing is pretty rotten.
1453317;1460943807;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-15#1452694 << i reworked search a bit, it now has handy nav, shows 100 and lets you nav through the whole history
1453318;1460943807;a111;Logged on 2016-04-15 16:03 mircea_popescu: phf a) can has 100 rather than 20 finds for search ? b) http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon&page=16 is last page notwithstanding that 16 * 20 !> 500
1453319;1460943890;mircea_popescu;lovely.
1453320;1460943895;mircea_popescu;did you try cabbage juice btw ?
1453321;1460943910;mircea_popescu;trinque no i don't think YOU're the problem. i think ircd is the fucking problem.
1453322;1460943925;mircea_popescu;or in the immortal words of gnny sgt hartmann, i had no idea they stacked shit this high!
1453323;1460943967;trinque;yeah, no kidding.
1453324;1460943971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't a tall pile of shit, by modern standards, but ~does~ feature ssltronics
1453325;1460943978;asciilifeform;which handily suffices
1453326;1460943986;asciilifeform;to drown in.
1453327;1460943987;mircea_popescu;in this case the dns round robin went to shit i suspec.
1453328;1460944026;asciilifeform;how does the chat.fn thing actually work?
1453329;1460944047;asciilifeform;i was under the notion that it was a one specific box, which then redirects
1453330;1460944053;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i don't use dns.
1453331;1460944070;mircea_popescu;ah no, it's handled as a round robin. you ask for it, dns server gives you the least loaded ip
1453332;1460944079;mircea_popescu;at least in theory. but then they went from 20ish entries to like 9.
1453333;1460944229;phf;yeah if you do nc -v chat.freenode.org 6667 couple of times it gives you different ips
1453334;1460944522;mircea_popescu;and something to interest the CA fans in the audience : http://trilema.com/2016/euloran-biology/#footnote_3_65938
1453335;1460944864;mircea_popescu;o wow i suspect this means i wrote over 65k footnotes to date
1453336;1460950521;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1453337;1460950525;gribble;Current Blocks: 407789 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1458 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1453338;1460982618;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-17#1453238 << I guess I am technically downstream from Flint River, but first the water gets diluted in the largest freshwater lake in the world (4th largest by volume)
1453339;1460986404;phf;ffs
1453340;1460989932;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/x0p
1453341;1460989933;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453342;1460991477;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo last one I promise http://ix.io/x0v (more changetip lulz)
1453343;1460991477;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453344;1460994367;mircea_popescu;PeterL acts like a decanter (lead salts sink).
1453345;1460996135;BingoBoingo;Yeah, lead doesn't belong in the decanted fluid. It belongs in the glass of the decanter.
1453346;1460996242;trinque;http://qntra.net/2016/04/darknet-market-nucleus-offline/
1453347;1460996251;trinque;$up deedbot-
1453348;1460996253;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unrelatedly, i found out that orlov told the truth, and it really does cost only a few hundy usd/mo. to part a 30 ft. boat (on east coast usa at least)
1453349;1460996257;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1453350;1460996266;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ever consider doind the orlov thing and moving to one ?
1453351;1460996270;asciilifeform;*doing
1453352;1460996311;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But how would I get to engage in my lawncare hobby living aboard? Seawater isn't exactly a great growth medium for turfgrasses.
1453353;1460996348;asciilifeform;garden on uninhabited islands ?
1453354;1460996355;asciilifeform;iirc orlov had one
1453355;1460996485;BingoBoingo;Now that could be a hobby.
1453356;1460996499;mircea_popescu;trinque operation SOMETHINGORTHEOTHER ?
1453357;1460996525;trinque;lolwat
1453358;1460996537;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: prolly 90% of the reason i even read the man, is that his idea was solid - there is exactly ~one~ escape from the real estate leeches, and it is into the ocean.
1453359;1460996539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform costs a lot less than that to park it in colonia on the rio de la plata.
1453360;1460996550;mircea_popescu;trinque re the darknet link
1453361;1460996559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i would park there immediately if i had a ship.
1453362;1460996576;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah hadn't read yet; I was just throwing that in here because deedbot- was unvoiced
1453363;1460996579;trinque;RSS link
1453364;1460996599;trinque;I've got a few more tasks left then I can kill the old bot, couple of days
1453365;1460996603;mircea_popescu;the point being, that the mooring costs of a small vessel are about as relevant to such decisions as the cost of toilet paper to choosing your eventual residence.
1453366;1460996627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is relevant in usa.
1453367;1460996628;mircea_popescu;trinque thanks god you made it come back after getting fucked, seems an hourly occurence these days.
1453368;1460996635;asciilifeform;elsewhere - i can easily believe that it is not.
1453369;1460996655;trinque;mircea_popescu: it's gotten ridiculous, yeah
1453370;1460996659;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: under discussion was orlov's gambit of seagoing-thing-as-escape-from-rent
1453371;1460996664;asciilifeform;rather than pleasure yachting
1453372;1460996666;mircea_popescu;nowhere it is relevant for STRUCTURAL reasons. that it appears significant to you in x context it's only because you're not accounting for the other, more important costs, which also scaled up.
1453373;1460996667;trinque;I inquired in #freenode and no staffers said a word
1453374;1460996677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which costs ?
1453375;1460996679;mircea_popescu;ie, if you can't afford the toilet paper in monaco, that doesn't mean it's because ofg the cost of tp you can't move there.
1453376;1460996695;deedbot-;[Qntra] The Parting Of ChangeTip Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/04/the-parting-of-changetip-continues/
1453377;1460996696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose you spring a leak and must have it fixed RIGHT NOW. or at least be toed in drydock.
1453378;1460996725;mircea_popescu;the notion that escape from rent is to go into a hostile element that's not self-sustainable is about as retarded as you'd expect from americans.
1453379;1460996733;mircea_popescu;hey you know what ? pay more taxes, thatg'll malke them go away!
1453380;1460996745;mircea_popescu;and if you can't talk to women - BE MORE SELECTIVE AS TO THE WOMEN YOU TALK TO!!11
1453381;1460996771;mircea_popescu;too fat ? eat more junk food. too lazy ? get comfier couches. wanna escape rent ? move on fucking venus! no rent there, it's all costs!
1453382;1460996790;asciilifeform;spring a leak - fix it alone.
1453383;1460996802;mircea_popescu;get out.
1453384;1460996815;mircea_popescu;you're going to fix leaks alone when you couldn't as much as buldgeon to death a puny taxman.
1453385;1460996829;phf;live on boat is a slightly more proactive take on "wait for zombies to come"
1453386;1460996835;*;BingoBoingo imagines converting uninhabitted island to kentucky bluegrass monoculture and setting loose solar robot mowers has potential for lulz.
1453387;1460996836;mircea_popescu;~anyone can wring the neck of a mousy accountant.
1453388;1460996843;mircea_popescu;much harder to plug leaks in seagoing vessels.
1453389;1460996852;mircea_popescu;phf maybe they're zombie manatees ?
1453390;1460996864;BingoBoingo;Zombatees!
1453391;1460996875;asciilifeform;realize, the 2k/mo i wouldn't be paying in rent buys quite a few fixed leaks.
1453392;1460996882;mircea_popescu;no, "live on boat" is more of the same adolescentine male fantasy displayed by overfed neotenic preteens captive in aging, sagging bodies that won't grow up for the life of them.
1453393;1460996889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it does not.
1453394;1460996897;mircea_popescu;costs have a structure that is idependent of your perception.
1453395;1460996904;BingoBoingo;How many fixed leaks does it buy 25 km from shore?
1453396;1460996911;mircea_popescu;if the rent is 2k the leak fixing is 20k. for the same reason.
1453397;1460996969;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my understanding is that many of the folks doing the boat thing (and we have them even here in dc) don't go far from the parking dock.
1453398;1460996996;mircea_popescu;the folks "doing the boat thing" are a 1% subset of the folks doing the RV thing.
1453399;1460996998;asciilifeform;and when they start to leak, they use the lift (comes with the slip rent) and drag the tub to the communal repair lot, and work.
1453400;1460997003;mircea_popescu;which folks are old, poor, and marginal for a fucking reason.
1453401;1460997040;mircea_popescu;if you're going to do that might as well move to rural georgia, pick a blondy and a mulatto woman and smoke meth for your remaining years.
1453402;1460997043;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ah, but here live on boat parking is $800 for a slip on Mississippi river and places with yards are often less.
1453403;1460997057;mircea_popescu;guaranteed not to even notice the inconveniences of the lifestyle.
1453404;1460997076;BingoBoingo;And rivers, unlike ocean flood
1453405;1460997097;phf;it seems like a fun thing to do when you're young though, as long as you don't sit in the dock all the time ermagerd
1453406;1460997102;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo
1453407;1460997109;mircea_popescu;phf everything's fun when you're young and have money.
1453408;1460997113;BingoBoingo;yw shinohai ty for the submissions
1453409;1460997115;phf;:D
1453410;1460997123;mircea_popescu;the reason this is so, is because as you age you become enmoored to various idiocies.
1453411;1460997133;mircea_popescu;easy to be recognized because they come in a few standard flavours :
1453412;1460997145;mircea_popescu;"i need X for X" "wouldn't it be cool if X then i could Y" etc.
1453413;1460997168;phf;it seems important to die from time to time
1453414;1460997173;asciilifeform;phf: understand, i find it appealing strictly from the escape-from-rent angle.
1453415;1460997178;mircea_popescu;the problem of old people is that they don't think they may have permission to exist.
1453416;1460997182;mircea_popescu;this is all the better - they don't.
1453417;1460997193;BingoBoingo;Oh, is that what was going on at the Marina?
1453418;1460997218;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i just happened to go in one, on the way from place 'a' to place 'b'
1453419;1460997221;asciilifeform;quite incidental.
1453420;1460997295;asciilifeform;and yes, somehow life on ships is 'adolescentine male fantasy' to mircea_popescu but shooting tax collectors (who, where i live, come in tanks and with heavy machine guns, by the dozen) isn't...
1453421;1460997307;phf;asciilifeform: you really need to be a mythical la-fondian character from robert howard stories to pull it off as "escape from rent", but then you won't be escaping to begin with, since you were never it
1453422;1460997320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not the point. the point was that YOU COULD, actually, wring a tax accountant's neck. you could not, as a factual matter, plug a leak.
1453423;1460997333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so mr o's tub never leaks ?
1453424;1460997339;asciilifeform;or is actually a nuke sub funded by moscow ?
1453425;1460997339;asciilifeform;or what
1453426;1460997347;mircea_popescu;nevertheless you do not consider the former a feasible approach to the problem of tax ; but you without as much as batting an eyelash pull the former out fo ass in response to a challenge you hadn't even considewred!
1453427;1460997366;mircea_popescu;why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
1453428;1460997375;mircea_popescu;every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
1453429;1460997385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my heuristic is that i consider problems involving simple physical systems, thousands of years in test, as SOLVABLE. and those involving people/social skill, etc. NOT.
1453430;1460997405;mircea_popescu;this heuristic is about as idiotic as the heuristic that you consider men approachable for sex but women not.
1453431;1460997407;asciilifeform;understand the difference ?
1453432;1460997413;mircea_popescu;it's called a sexual preference, not a fucking heuristic.
1453433;1460997433;asciilifeform;one type of item i deal with, like breathing. other - entirely useless in.
1453434;1460997446;mircea_popescu;right ?
1453435;1460997454;mircea_popescu;"i'm gay because i have so much experience iwth it"
1453436;1460997475;phf;but more importantly how do you put an electronic microscope on a boat?
1453437;1460997476;asciilifeform;l0l
1453438;1460997484;mircea_popescu;phf it doesn't count there, anymore.
1453439;1460997485;asciilifeform;phf: you don't
1453440;1460997491;mircea_popescu;he'll gyro-stabylize it because SOLVABLE.
1453441;1460997496;asciilifeform;actually i would.
1453442;1460997498;mircea_popescu;fuck, seawater great solvent, will solve a lotta things.
1453443;1460997516;asciilifeform;understand, i would rather seal hard disks against sea foam, than deal with humans.
1453444;1460997518;mircea_popescu;it surely as fuck solves iron right into the depths!
1453445;1460997540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a problem. for some reason you're approaching it at the very wrong end of the funnel.
1453446;1460997552;asciilifeform;there is exactly one end.
1453447;1460997588;mircea_popescu;mno. there's the end where you try to build a gyroscope-stabilized microscope on a small sea platform ; and there's the end where you start going to bars and picking up women you're not the slightest bit interested in and marrying them.
1453448;1460997593;mircea_popescu;you're fixing the wrong end.
1453449;1460997613;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu had said anything else i'dve worried that he were stolen and replaced by a cheap double.
1453450;1460997623;mircea_popescu;only expensive doubles here!
1453451;1460997638;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/U2HF6s2.png
1453452;1460997688;mircea_popescu;but it is actual lived experience, not just theory. i have a female human right here whose task it has been to talk to women each day for the past months, and it has driven her to tears and the very brink a few times already.
1453453;1460997697;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. the cure is the cure ; the dicking around is the dicking around.
1453454;1460997710;asciilifeform;there is not a cure for missed childhood development
1453455;1460997713;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu knows this,.
1453456;1460997715;mircea_popescu;funny, so said she.
1453457;1460997725;asciilifeform;chix are reflashable.
1453458;1460997727;mircea_popescu;i know no such thing, and you're lucky you don't have tits, there'd be a whipping in it for you by now.
1453459;1460997732;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1453460;1460997795;asciilifeform;old men are not reflashable, (though i hear, they ~are~ recyclable..)
1453461;1460997816;mircea_popescu;everyone's fine once they give up on the disease.
1453462;1460997823;mircea_popescu;and nobody before.
1453463;1460998034;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-18#1453427 << it is mircea_popescu'd ideological sauce that these are equivalent or even comparable, i get it.
1453464;1460998034;a111;Logged on 2016-04-18 16:36 mircea_popescu: why is it that you think yourself the crystal dragon jesus of wrighting boats when you can't as much as punch out another chimp ?
1453465;1460998037;asciilifeform;dun make it so.
1453466;1460998196;BingoBoingo;Related http://yle.fi/ylex/uutiset/juuso_kekkonen_on_heteromies_jolla_on_poikaystava/3-8808583
1453467;1460998590;mircea_popescu;no, they're not equivalent in the slightest.
1453468;1460998600;mircea_popescu; every chimp can punch out another chimp. no chimp made a boat.
1453469;1460998638;mircea_popescu;politics are easy ; technology is hard. that some people would dedicate themselves to the hard without any whatsoever effort put into the easy is both scandalous and suicidal.
1453470;1460998661;asciilifeform;snore, ye olde 'mens sana in corpore sano' (tm) (r) aha
1453471;1460998666;mircea_popescu;quite!
1453472;1460998670;asciilifeform;i am satisfied that our mircea_popescu has not been stolen!
1453473;1460998678;mircea_popescu;what, it was made obsolete by the community ?
1453474;1460998685;asciilifeform;l0l
1453475;1460998697;mircea_popescu;no but that's exactly the pretense here.
1453476;1460998707;mircea_popescu;"community" has gotten together and made it obsolete. *rolleyes*
1453477;1460998727;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled it, no
1453478;1460998735;asciilifeform;but man without legs has to get pretty good with arms.
1453479;1460998743;asciilifeform;or is good for nothing at all.
1453480;1460998743;mircea_popescu;so then! what "ideological sauce". it's a fact.
1453481;1460998761;mircea_popescu;eh, and man without "an appetite for labour" will have to do pretty good on theft ?
1453482;1460998772;mircea_popescu;so sad too bad, such mystical self amputations.
1453483;1460998809;asciilifeform;everything's mystical to the fella who dun have to live it himself.
1453484;1460999548;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1453485;1460999557;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2782.45, vol: 15773.66450000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2782.45
1453486;1460999565;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1453487;1460999573;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.34, vol: 3206.09913799 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 424.964, vol: 5717.23032 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.51, vol: 8893.37331293 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.219396, vol: 15772.64250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 427.74, vol: 940.68242767 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.6132, vol: 16.46486105 | Volume-weighted last average: 428.116589838
1453488;1460999583;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1453489;1460999591;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 299.907212, vol: 3206.02786246 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 298.2390334, vol: 5717.33053 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 301.81011, vol: 15772.36150000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 300.0, vol: 45.45277591 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 299.0364, vol: 16.46486105 | Volume-weighted last average: 300.733847674
1453490;1460999631;mircea_popescu;check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
1453491;1460999960;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-18#1453490 << just like me nodez!11
1453492;1460999960;a111;Logged on 2016-04-18 17:13 mircea_popescu: check that out, poor deedbot. blackholed on the hour like clockwork
1453493;1461000031;shinohai;http://www.talkxpy.com/topic/1445/forum-shutdown-imminent <<< another scamtalk forum dies
1453494;1461000094;trinque;the thing would stay connected for a week or more while I was developing it
1453495;1461000105;mircea_popescu;don't mind the coincidences.
1453496;1461000177;asciilifeform;cosmic rayz!1111
1453497;1461003345;deedbot-;[Trilema] Consumerism is not the answer, though it will put you to sleep ; or, American History X - http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/
1453498;1461006441;shinohai;https://www.scribd.com/doc/309591980/ShapeShift-Postmortem
1453499;1461006479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-18#1453376 << i still have trouble grasping the notion of 'tipping' outside the servility context (e.g., restaurants etc)
1453500;1461006479;a111;Logged on 2016-04-18 16:24 deedbot-: [Qntra] The Parting Of ChangeTip Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/04/the-parting-of-changetip-continues/
1453501;1461006487;asciilifeform;how do folks not barf.
1453502;1461006540;phf;a tip *tips fedora* for m'lady *winks*
1453503;1461006581;trinque;it's not so much a payment as it's a facebook "like"
1453504;1461006654;asciilifeform;trinque: but with faux btc ?
1453505;1461006809;asciilifeform;'Analysis of Lenny’s Ubuntu operating system’s configuration revealed that – similar to Simpson – there was no logging or auditing configured beyond the default configuration that ships with Ubuntu. Analysis of the /var/log/auth.log file showed tampering via overwriting unlike
1453506;1461006814;asciilifeform;Simpson which had its log deleted. The last few lines of the log were overwritten with NULL (0x00) bytes, preventing digital-forensic recovery.'
1453507;1461006817;asciilifeform;^ l0l!!11
1453508;1461006819;shinohai;Just more social media faggotry.
1453509;1461006825;trinque;^
1453510;1461006865;trinque;but "anywhere!1!1!"
1453511;1461006923;asciilifeform;'LLI performed an assessment of the ShapeShift infrastructure against the CryptoCurrency Security Standard (CCSS). The assessment identified...' << holy FUCK what?!!
1453512;1461006939;shinohai;TIL
1453513;1461006949;trinque;yeah, now they can sell certifications and have conferences, what?
1453514;1461006964;asciilifeform;apparently this 'standard' does not include basics such as server-logs-on-paper-tape
1453515;1461006979;asciilifeform;which i thought even in zimbabwe was baseline civilization
1453516;1461007053;shinohai;Oh ow, they *just now removed compilers* from the cloud machines HUE
1453517;1461007122;asciilifeform;'Ledger Labs drafted an Employee Security Policy and an Infrastructure Security Policy that identify security procedures and protocols for the use of ShapeShift assets. Employees are required to read and sign the policies and submit identification to ShapeShift’s Human Resources department. This control helps ShapeShift achieve compliance with CCSS Level 2.'
1453518;1461007153;asciilifeform;l0ltr0nic, or,
1453519;1461007161;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu might say, 'jobsworths bore something fierce'
1453520;1461007233;asciilifeform;'Although this is required for CCSS Level 2 and not Level 1, LLI recommends that ShapeShift’s architecture be re-architected to require multiple signatures.... ...End-users should be presented with a P2SH address (or equivalent for its coin type) that is built from a script that requires 3 signatures – 2 signatures from online signing agents that exist external to ShapeShift’s infrastructure'
1453521;1461007239;asciilifeform;<< ahahahaha! finally the usgtronic payload
1453522;1461007252;asciilifeform;and, likewise, 'Although Deterministic Keys is another CCSS Level 2 requirement and not Level 1, LLI recommends ShapeShift’s architecture be re-architected to make use of deterministic seeds.'
1453523;1461007311;asciilifeform;'haxx0r3d because did not use the standard amulet and did not sacrifice to Great Inca!11'
1453524;1461007321;asciilifeform;sacrifice M04R!111
1453525;1461007688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'LLI performed an assessment of the ShapeShift infrastructure against the CryptoCurrency Security Standard (CCSS). The assessment identified...' << holy FUCK what?!! <<< hey, the empire's hard at work.
1453526;1461007840;asciilifeform;this goes right back to mircea_popescu's old observation re 'jobsworths', i.e. that you can't actually ~pay~ folks to give a fuck
1453527;1461007906;mircea_popescu;anyway, shapeshit's irrelevant with our without all the "oh noes look at how famous bitbet is let us try and engineer an imperial equivalent"
1453528;1461007909;asciilifeform;you can only, on a good day even, pay folks to tick the boxes in the 3-ring.
1453529;1461007927;asciilifeform;waiwut i thought this was a fiatola exchange
1453530;1461008015;mircea_popescu;it's ~nothing, in the style of xapo and whatever else.
1453531;1461008074;*;asciilifeform never even heard of it before qntra
1453532;1461008097;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the noobs : mpex 1st conference was principally this thing where voorhees and casares tried to convince me usg is the only game in town, with me laughing, and me stating mtgox isn't going to be around for long, with them laughing.
1453533;1461008115;mircea_popescu;somehow this "usg matters" is a difficult drop of molasses to escape
1453534;1461008121;mircea_popescu;at least for certain kinds of flies.
1453535;1461008128;asciilifeform;the kind stuck in
1453536;1461008143;asciilifeform;and, presumably, not realizing that themselves also do not matter
1453537;1461008186;mircea_popescu;there were also some other side shows, but that was the central attraction.
1453538;1461008257;shinohai;I am enjoying this Qntra thing way more than I expected.
1453539;1461008261;mircea_popescu;ha!
1453540;1461008275;mircea_popescu;$addtotoldyousofiles
1453541;1461008283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which pseudopod specifically did they argue 'matters' ? usd ?
1453542;1461008298;deedbot;$addtotoldyousofiles is not a command.
1453543;1461008303;shinohai;^ kek
1453544;1461008330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, it's just this lifestyle / mentality thing. not SO different from your very own gyro-boat thing, really. by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing.
1453545;1461008487;asciilifeform;my 'gyro-boat' has a found foundation in my utter loathing of the company of the typical meatsack
1453546;1461008490;asciilifeform;*sound f
1453547;1461008598;asciilifeform;and i don't argue it as a universal good, but as something i specifically want out of life.
1453548;1461009607;mircea_popescu;well, their notions about the world are arguably also not a "universal good" in this sense, and similarly based on utter loathing [based in turn on fear, like all loathing {based in turn on unexamined ignorance, like all fear }]
1453549;1461009773;mircea_popescu;suffice it to say that one thing leads to the next, and before you know it you're a robber on the lam with some dead nightwatchmen in your past, merely for "just wanting to". evil is fruit of the poisonous root, and for as long as one buys into the priors, one will end up in VCtron land willy-nilly.
1453550;1461009782;asciilifeform;so, e.g., mircea_popescu's lack of eagerness to be buggered, say, by six metre long black cock, is also 'from loathing and ignorance' ?
1453551;1461009807;asciilifeform;or is this pref legit where others are not
1453552;1461009810;asciilifeform;and then how.
1453553;1461009831;mircea_popescu;hey, check you out using the sexual comparison skill to great disruption and awesome effect.
1453554;1461009841;asciilifeform;l0l seemed like an obvious test.
1453555;1461009850;mircea_popescu;there's nothing illegitimate about preferences, inasmuch as they're someone's preference.
1453556;1461009859;mircea_popescu;there's also nothing surprising about the effects of preferences.
1453557;1461009884;asciilifeform;i dun see any surprised people
1453558;1461009920;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole discussion started with some derpy webservice being surprised by its own success or somesuch.
1453559;1461010001;asciilifeform;aha, then it turned into how asciilifeform is as dumb and unreflective as vorhees, or sumthing
1453560;1461010031;mircea_popescu;no it didn't!
1453561;1461010059;mircea_popescu;"by which i don't mean anything other than that they themselves were unaware of what exactly arguing". it's not aboot you!
1453562;1461010207;mircea_popescu;it's about the damned gyroboats.
1453563;1461015868;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/#comment-117057
1453564;1461015868;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453565;1461016046;mod6;ugh
1453566;1461016085;shinohai;>..
1453567;1461016090;mod6;maybe i'll feel better tomorrow.
1453568;1461016103;shinohai;Still sick B?
1453569;1461016118;mod6;ya. stayed home today and slept.
1453570;1461016128;mod6;beat down status
1453571;1461016133;shinohai;:/
1453572;1461016151;mod6;i think i'll be in good enough shape to work remote tomorrow.
1453573;1461016192;shinohai;Pollen is like an inch thick here, allergies got me a bit but I got meds.
1453574;1461016437;asciilifeform;must be great having dayz off tho
1453575;1461016465;asciilifeform;(i theoretically have some, but must hoard them, for job interviews...)
1453576;1461016615;mod6;i get quite a number of them, plent extra in case i need to interview.
1453577;1461016620;mod6;*plenty
1453578;1461016722;asciilifeform;mod6: you have the kind that can be stored for >1y dontcha.
1453579;1461018608;mircea_popescu;mod6 what did you get anyway, stomach flu ?
1453580;1461020436;mod6;well, some sort of flu,or wicked cold. seems to be mainly fever & respitory symptoms.
1453581;1461020479;mod6;asciilifeform: this place gives you 18 days on Jan 1st. they gave me like 5 days between when I started in late oct and the end of '15.
1453582;1461021109;asciilifeform;mod6: neato
1453583;1461021450;mod6;ftr, i never seen a place ever offer more than say, 12 + company wide holidays.
1453584;1461021460;mod6;so this is well above par
1453585;1461021465;asciilifeform;company-wide ?
1453586;1461021468;asciilifeform;as in, everyone ?
1453587;1461021472;asciilifeform;what the hell is that good for
1453588;1461021481;mod6;yah, like, day-after-thanksgiving, etc.
1453589;1461021490;asciilifeform;useless.
1453590;1461021514;asciilifeform;i celebrate 0 holidays and would prefer that they ~all~ be movable
1453591;1461021517;asciilifeform;but that might be just me.
1453592;1461021542;mod6;basically, you can't choose it, but they throw that in as in, "hey, look, we're such good guys we're gonna give you the day off even though you probably would have taken it off anyway; nevermind that the rest of the "free" world has this day off too."
1453593;1461021578;mod6;and, i agree with you, i could give a shit less.
1453594;1461021596;mod6;i'd rather beable to move those additional ~4-5 days around at will.
1453595;1461022058;mircea_popescu;you should see the argentinian "work" calendar.
1453596;1461022067;mircea_popescu;reminds me of 1990s romania
1453597;1461022156;mircea_popescu;$up ag3nt_zer0_
1453598;1461022184;deedbot;ag3nt_zer0_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1453599;1461022184;ag3nt_zer0_;hey whats up.... was wondering where everyone went...
1453600;1461022231;ag3nt_zer0_;do I still have self voicing-privilege?
1453601;1461022249;ag3nt_zer0_;typo my bad
1453602;1461022481;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot ag3nt_zer0_
1453603;1461022482;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1453604;1461022551;trinque;he does without that underscore.
1453605;1461022842;ag3nt_zer0_;haha stupid ok
1453606;1461022871;ag3nt_zer0_;hi trinque nice to see ya... bbl
1453607;1461023206;trinque;hello
1453608;1461023827;mircea_popescu;gotta know your name man.
1453609;1461024882;deedbot;[Trilema] Eulora : Official May Auction, or a celebration of lifestyles! - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-official-may-auction-or-a-celebration-of-lifestyles/
1453610;1461025002;phf;https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 analysis of openssl rng, conclusion it's bad
1453611;1461025039;phf;n/m, in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451036
1453612;1461025039;a111;Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
1453613;1461026148;mircea_popescu;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapePortrayedAsRedemption << lulziest thing in the usg-verse, that fantastic collection of mental representations.
1453614;1461026175;mircea_popescu;apparently they're aware of the educational aspect involved, and all that.
1453615;1461026896;*;asciilifeform broke down & bought 'standard' and 'rationale' circa 2012
1453616;1461026967;asciilifeform;and finally understood why the '95 b00kz were so cheap.
1453617;1461029182;phf;Why?
1453618;1461029393;asciilifeform;phf: aside from the useful 2012isms discussed previously (see logz - spark, predicated types, etc) the standard lib grew
1453619;1461029404;asciilifeform;in useful ways
1453620;1461029463;asciilifeform;standardized templates for frequent chores, e.g., queues, stacks
1453621;1461030982;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1453622;1461030989;gribble;Current Blocks: 407916 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1331 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1453623;1461031102;mircea_popescu;$up go1111111
1453624;1461031105;deedbot;go1111111 voiced for 30 minutes.
1453625;1461031318;go1111111;are logs of this channel posted publicly somewhere? I see 'This is a logged channel' but no link to logs on trilema.com
1453626;1461031446;BingoBoingo;btcbase.com/logs
1453627;1461031449;mircea_popescu;^
1453628;1461031642;go1111111;hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
1453629;1461031658;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19
1453630;1461031680;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453628 even
1453631;1461031680;a111;Logged on 2016-04-19 02:07 go1111111: hm, 'sorry, that page cannot be found'
1453632;1461032035;*;BingoBoingo stumbled into an oldie http://trilema.com/2011/a-cui-e-prietena-ta/
1453633;1461032046;mircea_popescu;lol can you read that ?
1453634;1461032061;mircea_popescu;got random reader guy VERY pissed off, that thing.
1453635;1461032169;BingoBoingo;Can't really make much of the tweets, but that goes with the medium.
1453636;1461032178;mircea_popescu;guess so huh.
1453637;1461032203;BingoBoingo;Twitter is a foreign language
1453638;1461035806;deedbot;[Qntra] Apple Keeps OSX Users Stuck On Vulnerable Git Version - http://qntra.net/2016/04/apple-keeps-osx-users-stuck-on-vulnerable-git-version/
1453639;1461060486;davout;https://news.bitcoin.com/looting-fox-sabotage-shapeshift/ <<< lulzy
1453640;1461067608;asciilifeform;'We hired such a person, and patted ourselves on the back for our proactive decision. On paper, he looked great; the reference we called confirmed his prior role and responsibility. He’d even been into Bitcoin since 2011/2012 and had built miners in his room. Awesome. We’ll call this new employee Bob… indeed his real name starts with a B. Over the next months, Bob built and managed ShapeShift’s infrastructure. He did okay, no
1453641;1461067608;asciilifeform;thing special, but we were content to have a professional taking care of devops at least well enough to enable our engineers to build upon the architecture.' << l0l!!
1453642;1461067619;asciilifeform;hire moar 'injuns' ahahaha.
1453643;1461067673;asciilifeform;'Our server admin, in the midst of an investigation into a $130,000 theft, deletes his two keys, and only these two keys, without telling anyone, and then admits on our call that he did it because “they weren’t important.”'
1453644;1461067723;asciilifeform;and, best lulz,
1453645;1461067727;asciilifeform;'Bob betrayed us. He betrayed his privileged position, profiting directly from the destruction of those who trusted him. He stole, lied, ran away, and then after being afforded a period of time long enough to reflect upon his actions, decided to betray us again for a few more scraps in his pathetic bowl. Hackers gonna hack, but it takes a certain variety of bastard to ascend to a trusted position, work face to face with a team, recei
1453646;1461067727;asciilifeform;ve a salary and confidence from that team, and then screw them all for barely enough money to buy a Tesla. Oh yeah, and then abandon a dog to starve alone, likely soon to be put down by animal services.'
1453647;1461067763;asciilifeform;vorhees was always a scumbag, and it is no surprise to me that his verminous nest is full of scumbags likewise.
1453648;1461067878;BingoBoingo;I was told by a commenter it is pronounced Veerhooves
1453649;1461067903;asciilifeform;i dun care if it's pronounced 'hoover vacuum co.'
1453650;1461067952;asciilifeform;first commenter is also 'usg gold'
1453651;1461067980;asciilifeform;'Should have not fallen for pseudosecurity technobuble talk. Should have gotten second opinions. Should have used established information security frameworks and be extremely suspicious on why they are not being used... ...It is a common misconception that to defend against hacking you must hire a hacker. Perhaps you've been watching that old movie "hacker" and lots of other Hollywood produce too much and believed that crap. In reali
1453652;1461067981;asciilifeform;ty, to defend you must hire good people who do information security professionally...'
1453653;1461068004;asciilifeform;B3ST PR4CT1C3Z!1111111
1453654;1461068475;shinohai;Of course it was an inside job - Erik decides he needs to jump on the "We got haxxored" publicity train with all the other Bitcoin "companies".
1453655;1461075625;mod6;ugh. still beat-down status
1453656;1461075703;shinohai;T_T
1453657;1461078643;mod6;im wfh today.
1453658;1461078662;mod6;im like... 15-18% better than I was yesterday. but still beat down.
1453659;1461078689;mod6;at least i can get out of bed.
1453660;1461078720;shinohai;want me to send an asian hooker up there to "massage" you?
1453661;1461078733;mod6;yes, please.
1453662;1461078791;mod6;i feel like someone has worked me over with a hockey stick
1453663;1461078944;BingoBoingo;It's prolly Zika
1453664;1461078953;*;shinohai looks for Asian therapists that double as nurses ...
1453665;1461078969;mod6;lol zika
1453666;1461079037;shinohai;I think I still have a hangover a bit from the weekend.
1453667;1461079059;phf;yo gotta exercise dat shit out
1453668;1461079060;shinohai;Some friends I have when the only present I got was booze xD
1453669;1461079172;phf;purge the spirits from the flesh
1453670;1461079895;asciilifeform;from the dept. of definitely-not-news,
1453671;1461079898;asciilifeform;https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/200312-05 << vintage megal0l
1453672;1461079939;asciilifeform;'GnuPG 1.2.3... If you have used ElGamal keys for signing your private key can be compromised, and a malicious keyserver could remotely execute arbitrary code with the permissions of the user running gpgkeys_hkp.'
1453673;1461079974;asciilifeform;phun phakt: guess HOW they fixed this.
1453674;1461079984;asciilifeform;i won't even say, will leave it as a jawdropper to the alert reader.
1453675;1461080592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=black << check it out, i own this word!
1453676;1461080605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jews << and this one
1453677;1461080615;mircea_popescu;holy shit i'm the token tmsr racist.
1453678;1461080646;PeterL;you have been the consistent most verbose person here for years, you probably own all the words
1453679;1461080646;asciilifeform;blackjews.txt
1453680;1461080664;mircea_popescu;oh damn, it's just sheer volume huh.
1453681;1461080673;phf;(fyi http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters )
1453682;1461080717;mircea_popescu;phf so this is not a complaint, but : i really liked the way the log search worked, because : right now i'm searching for that portion in the logs where i explained that the us blacks are kinda like the jews, demographically, and will prolly get wiped.
1453683;1461080731;mircea_popescu;i can't use grepping for this. if it did token join search i could search for blacks jews
1453684;1461080738;mircea_popescu;so what do i do ?
1453685;1461080762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is still lulzy, imho, wiped by ~whom~ ? 'pencilnecked' whitez ?
1453686;1461080767;asciilifeform;chinese overlords ?
1453687;1461080798;mircea_popescu;the pencilnecks don't matter in any discussion.
1453688;1461080814;asciilifeform;sure. so who'll it be ?
1453689;1461080833;asciilifeform;i mean, folks don't stuff ~themselves~ into oven, no
1453690;1461080834;trinque;man, do you not realize how many rednecks there are in this country?
1453691;1461080834;mircea_popescu;the great black swamp still fills womens' breats with milk. you don't need THAT MANY people to wipe a 12%ish pesky minority.
1453692;1461080838;mircea_popescu;^
1453693;1461080844;phf;mircea_popescu: so i started working on a proper search, but that takes time, since need a query parser and a query compiler, that's maybe 40% done. but i can give you relatively soon an ability to pass multiple q parameters. so it'll be log-search?q=black&q=jews so that those will stack up, i.e. first grep is applied and the second one is used as filter
1453694;1461080848;mircea_popescu;he has nfi because he doesn't live ion the country, he lives in the red square.
1453695;1461080854;trinque;no kidding
1453696;1461080860;mircea_popescu;phf very nice.
1453697;1461080876;mircea_popescu;i'd say a multiparam grep search is already a full solution for this problem.
1453698;1461080891;asciilifeform;trinque: i know approximately how many. i also know what they amount to, if past c. is any guide (from waco to mcveigh to the oregon clowns)
1453699;1461080898;phf;mircea_popescu: by the way, &from=foo already works, i.e. &from=mircea will only show...
1453700;1461080898;mircea_popescu;the past is no guide.
1453701;1461080905;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1453702;1461080917;mircea_popescu;btw, do we want a wiki ?
1453703;1461080936;mircea_popescu;it's an iffy proposition, on one hand it's an obligation to keep up to date, because an outdated one is worse than none.
1453704;1461080949;mircea_popescu;but on the other wtf are noobs to do.
1453705;1461081015;phf;we need a single page wiki
1453706;1461081022;asciilifeform;^
1453707;1461081039;trinque;asciilifeform: check out trump for example; he's easing them back into having good old fashioned political riots
1453708;1461081040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider zee german folk, that law abiding, king and country worshipping cow that spent the middle ages in the WORST shackles of all, not matched by the blacks in the empire of brazil or by anyone since.
1453709;1461081059;mircea_popescu;yet after they were accused of stabbing the army in the back, they overthrew the government "without breaking as much as a windowpane"
1453710;1461081068;mircea_popescu;and then raped women in the street for a few years, by the thousands.
1453711;1461081068;trinque;give it a few terms and somebody will be up there screaming about the lost greatness of merkuh, and there will be hoards of ignorant and angry blue collar guys loving it
1453712;1461081072;asciilifeform;trinque: as far as i can see, he's a stage prop for clitler's ordained throne
1453713;1461081079;trinque;too easy
1453714;1461081081;mircea_popescu;yeah the idea of keeping it tight and narrow might well be best.
1453715;1461081104;trinque;just because he knew and dealt with the clintons doesn't mean he likes them
1453716;1461081107;mircea_popescu;trinque dude, merkuh! the land that sunk when they took ur jerbz. fabulous. you came up with it ?
1453717;1461081110;asciilifeform;trinque: the 'american hitler' thing's been forecast for ~80y
1453718;1461081117;asciilifeform;some reason keeps not happennin'.
1453719;1461081132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hitler dun really enter into this.
1453720;1461081153;mircea_popescu;there's a very specific, well known problem of minorities in a specific percentage with specific societal differences.
1453721;1461081178;asciilifeform;i know of no precedent for dalit exterminations
1453722;1461081182;mircea_popescu;hitler has ~nothing with czechs obliterating gypsies, nor milosevic with serbs obliterating croats etc.
1453723;1461081182;asciilifeform;who will shovel the shit ?
1453724;1461081198;mircea_popescu;you know of no precedent ?!
1453725;1461081200;trinque;mircea_popescu: dunno where "merkuh" came from
1453726;1461081203;mircea_popescu;;;google salem witch trials
1453727;1461081203;trinque;emergent slur!!11
1453728;1461081204;gribble;Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Salem Witch Trials - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com: ; The Trials - Salem Witch Museum:
1453729;1461081211;mircea_popescu;no hitler there, either.
1453730;1461081223;asciilifeform;no class extermination there either ?
1453731;1461081240;asciilifeform;just buncha old broads gettin' cooked
1453732;1461081339;asciilifeform;at any rate, 'no precedent' != 'can't happen'
1453733;1461081348;asciilifeform;just means it won't happen ~for the stated historical reason~
1453734;1461081356;trinque;you should go to a shitty bar in TX sometime
1453735;1461081359;trinque;outside the major cities
1453736;1461081378;asciilifeform;trinque: what do i look for there ?
1453737;1461081389;asciilifeform;an old brass spittoon ?
1453738;1461081396;asciilifeform;a hog-fucker named Slim ?
1453739;1461081400;trinque;lol
1453740;1461081442;asciilifeform;'they were soooooowwz!111 judge!111'
1453741;1461081456;mircea_popescu;what is your idea of class ?
1453742;1461081481;trinque;you let the federal system fade a bit, and I think there are plenty of roughneck "good old boys" that'll step up and do the killing
1453743;1461081495;mircea_popescu;all that's needed is specified physical characteristics that make most of the population ontologically secure.
1453744;1461081497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gypsies yes, street-sweepers no
1453745;1461081510;mircea_popescu;"wrinkled old broads" "dudes with colored skin" "circumcised and hooknosed" work well.
1453746;1461081542;asciilifeform;wrinkled broad or hooknosed dude have ~something to steal~
1453747;1461081548;asciilifeform;what do you take from the coloured dude
1453748;1461081552;mircea_popescu;this has ~ nothing to do with anything.
1453749;1461081557;mircea_popescu;people don't kill for money.
1453750;1461081559;asciilifeform;but it demonstrably did at salem
1453751;1461081560;asciilifeform;and in germany.
1453752;1461081569;mircea_popescu;only if you're insane, "demonstrably".
1453753;1461081580;mircea_popescu;coincidentally.
1453754;1461081591;asciilifeform;the folks who stoked the initial flame, they stood to gain.
1453755;1461081632;mircea_popescu;looky, this is nothing more than trying to make reality less abrasive by proposing that "we're not really so different".
1453756;1461081638;mircea_popescu;"we" are, you and them.
1453757;1461081649;asciilifeform;waiwut
1453758;1461081652;mircea_popescu;what did lenin stand to gain ?
1453759;1461081666;asciilifeform;pretty obvious what
1453760;1461081669;mircea_popescu;random beerhall aggitator / painter / corporal stood to gain a prison sentence
1453761;1461081670;mircea_popescu;which he gained.
1453762;1461081674;asciilifeform;relevance, caviar, chix
1453763;1461081678;mircea_popescu;pretty retrospective-obvious, man.
1453764;1461081687;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why you have so much trouble with the flux of time.
1453765;1461081692;mircea_popescu;it really isn't fucking reversible already.
1453766;1461081702;asciilifeform;prolly because unlike mircea_popescu i am not a demigod living outside of time..?
1453767;1461081716;mircea_popescu;vice-versa. unlike mp, you pretend to be one.
1453768;1461081763;BingoBoingo; what do you take from the coloured dude << Your neighborhood's value.
1453769;1461081786;mircea_popescu;also they're the only ones with children.
1453770;1461081901;mircea_popescu;in all of this, anyone actually have a link to the discussion in question ?
1453771;1461081904;mircea_popescu;i still can't fucking find it.
1453772;1461081908;BingoBoingo;Really entire departments of USG would become unneessary.
1453773;1461082085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-01#853306
1453774;1461082085;a111;Logged on 2014-10-01 11:58 mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.
1453775;1461082106;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf pleeeze can haz compatibility with old date format ??
1453776;1461082107;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453777;1461082110;mircea_popescu;tyvm
1453778;1461082117;asciilifeform;srsly this took me 10 min
1453779;1461082124;asciilifeform;and is entirely unnecessary
1453780;1461082128;mircea_popescu;memory is a harsh mistress
1453781;1461082140;asciilifeform;i motherfucking hate this iso thing.
1453782;1461082149;asciilifeform;it has ZERO justification.
1453783;1461082158;asciilifeform;iso is not in my wot.
1453784;1461082173;trinque;you don't want the numbers in order of magnitude?
1453785;1461082175;trinque;wat?
1453786;1461082179;asciilifeform;i want SAME FORMAT AS BEFORE
1453787;1461082183;trinque;oh whatever
1453788;1461082184;asciilifeform;what part of this is hard to understand.
1453789;1461082187;trinque;"we've always done this"
1453790;1461082189;asciilifeform;yes.
1453791;1461082198;asciilifeform;and there was nothing wrong with it.
1453792;1461082239;trinque;see: x86
1453793;1461082248;asciilifeform;x86 is clinically retarded
1453794;1461082251;asciilifeform;the old format was HARMLESS
1453795;1461082259;asciilifeform;NOT comparable.
1453796;1461082261;asciilifeform;srsly.
1453797;1461082281;asciilifeform;show me ~something~ useful you were unable to do on account of the old format.
1453798;1461082282;mircea_popescu;you don';t get "same as before".
1453799;1461082288;mircea_popescu;you get "same as logical". sorry!
1453800;1461082296;asciilifeform;how is this crapolade 'logical' ?
1453801;1461082303;mircea_popescu;in-order-of-magnitude.
1453802;1461082361;asciilifeform;why not epochal date then.
1453803;1461082374;mircea_popescu;that's his choice isn't it ?
1453804;1461082378;asciilifeform;sure.
1453805;1461082385;mircea_popescu;so that's why : phf did it this way.
1453806;1461082425;mircea_popescu;but in general evolution is from tradition to sense, and when multiple sensible approaches are present the owner decides, with or without support from the forum at his option.
1453807;1461082532;asciilifeform;at any rate i'll prolly stop noticing when phf's search worx and i can stop using kako's.
1453808;1461082562;mircea_popescu;mthreat 's
1453809;1461082594;asciilifeform;ah.
1453810;1461082595;asciilifeform;yes.
1453811;1461082659;mircea_popescu;tbh epoch time prolly a bad idea. for one thing - it is fundamentally retarded in implementation and for this reason not actually usable as intended (see discussion as to why it should be UNIVERSAL and timezone applied on top of it not this random variable). for the other thing, it's not so friendly to humans, whereas the urls are intended and expected to be hand-processable.
1453812;1461082669;mircea_popescu;a sort of clearsign for the web, if you will.
1453813;1461082688;mircea_popescu;that's why blog.com/?p=article_count is bad and blog.com/?p=article_title is good.
1453814;1461082764;asciilifeform;yeah but the ~reason~ epochal time is seen as 'unfriendly' is precisely because we are so addicted to traditional calendar, no ?
1453815;1461082787;mircea_popescu;no. it's because we have five digits and it has 14.
1453816;1461082796;asciilifeform;and i will point out that epochs as implemented in sane places don't partake of the 'time zone' crapolade.
1453817;1461082824;mircea_popescu;if you say "as implemented* (in sane places)" you've said "burn this thing down"
1453818;1461082862;asciilifeform;nowhere did i say 'not burn down' ! l0l
1453819;1461082866;mircea_popescu;:p
1453820;1461082869;asciilifeform;incidentally epoch in ~hours~ is 6dig.
1453821;1461082869;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1453822;1461082880;mircea_popescu;6 is still too many.
1453823;1461082890;asciilifeform;fewer than a gregorian date !
1453824;1461082899;mircea_popescu;ever wondered why it went away ?
1453825;1461082906;asciilifeform;what did
1453826;1461082912;mircea_popescu;gregorian date.
1453827;1461082919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu been drinkin' or wat
1453828;1461082922;asciilifeform;julian - went away.
1453829;1461082925;asciilifeform;gregorian - is here.
1453830;1461082947;mircea_popescu;;/
1453831;1461082981;mircea_popescu;that joke didn't work out!
1453832;1461082985;asciilifeform;related legend: a very drinkin' fella is stopped by a traffic cop. the latter writes a ticket, and says 'be in the courtroom at 2'
1453833;1461082994;asciilifeform;driver answers with question,
1453834;1461082998;asciilifeform;'2 AM or FM ?'
1453835;1461083005;mircea_popescu;lol
1453836;1461083490;asciilifeform;in other otherliness,
1453837;1461083491;asciilifeform;''I don't see a reason to have a x of about the same size as the p. It should be sufficient to have one about the size of q or the later used k plus a large safety margin. Decryption will be much faster with such an x. Note that this is not optimal for signing keys becuase it makes an attack using accidential small K values even easier. Well, one should not use ElGamal signing anyway.'
1453838;1461083497;asciilifeform;^ guess where.
1453839;1461083629;mircea_popescu;#delusional-idiots ?
1453840;1461083660;asciilifeform;gnupg-1.4.10
1453841;1461083700;mircea_popescu;heh
1453842;1461083738;asciilifeform;to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo
1453843;1461083749;asciilifeform;try and reuse ANYTHING !
1453844;1461083754;asciilifeform;all full of wormz
1453845;1461083764;asciilifeform;crumbles when you pick it up, like an old corpse.
1453846;1461083770;mircea_popescu;http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=dfd8b9d8d38078c9fadb1b98bc8674bf9f26640d << sauce.
1453847;1461083787;asciilifeform;there.
1453848;1461083798;mircea_popescu;anyway. one should not use elgamal anything anyway.
1453849;1461083801;asciilifeform;or from the tarball, originally posted by mircea_popescu (which is where i've been working from for past yr)
1453850;1461083805;mircea_popescu;plox to not reuse in any shape or form.
1453851;1461083832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: c-s uses the basic parts of elgamal, hence the investigation.
1453852;1461083837;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1453853;1461083862;mircea_popescu;;;google worm castle rations
1453854;1461083863;gribble;What Did Civil War Soldiers Eat? - Civil War Trust: ; Hardtack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; American Civil War Recipes and Cooking:
1453855;1461083989;mod6;mmhmmm, after an all day march, I should go for some of dat der hardtack
1453856;1461084029;phf;any particular preferences if q=foo&q=bar should work as grep foo|grep bar or grep foo.*bar?
1453857;1461084202;mircea_popescu;aren't these exactly identical ?
1453858;1461084258;phf;well, no first one is going to catch both foo bar and bar foo, the second one only foo bar
1453859;1461085723;asciilifeform;'We have shown that GPG’s implementation of the ElGamal
1453860;1461085723;asciilifeform;signature is totally insecure: an attacker can recover the signer’s private key from
1453861;1461085726;asciilifeform;the public key and a single message/signature pair in less than a second.'
1453862;1461085733;asciilifeform;( https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8395/b33eb645c545fa51a5778ce6e2c927560283.pdf for aficionados. )
1453863;1461087503;BingoBoingo;What about q=Xfoo&q=Y where X and Y are numbers representing the order in which the words were entered into the logs of the channel so the very first word is 1, etc.
1453864;1461088001;BingoBoingo;Sorry q=X&q=Y
1453865;1461090923;trinque;wtf is this shit
1453866;1461091029;trinque;% ssh root@deedbot.org
1453867;1461091030;trinque;ssh: connect to host deedbot.org port 22: Operation timed out
1453868;1461091041;trinque;lol
1453869;1461091050;asciilifeform;bl4kh0l3
1453870;1461091448;davout;til deedbot is hosted on a gameboy advance
1453871;1461091481;trinque;load average is 0.47 on the box, smelly frenchman
1453872;1461091677;shinohai;https://archive.is/StTVT
1453873;1461091742;davout;can't unsee
1453874;1461091788;asciilifeform;shinohai: you will go on same list i have BingoBoingo on.
1453875;1461091840;shinohai;:D
1453876;1461091842;BingoBoingo;Come on, Lemon party is an internet classic
1453877;1461091880;asciilifeform;goatse also classic.
1453878;1461091898;asciilifeform;nonetheless.
1453879;1461093088;BingoBoingo;How are you going to live boat when you haven't hardened yourself to the sight of a manatee gone belly up?
1453880;1461093123;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun give a damn re the gangrene.
1453881;1461093129;asciilifeform;the other folks in here - barf
1453882;1461093160;asciilifeform;but whatevers.
1453883;1461097302;asciilifeform;in other lulz, pankkake reappears?!
1453884;1461097860;*;BingoBoingo at this rate expects Jeb Bush to be the nominee
1453885;1461099148;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Be vewy, vewy qwiet. We’uh hunting wabbits. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/19/be-vewy-vewy-qwiet-weuh-hunting-wabbits/
1453886;1461099530;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/19/be-vewy-vewy-qwiet-weuh-hunting-wabbits/#comment-45237
1453887;1461099530;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453888;1461099542;mircea_popescu;phf ah right. | plox
1453889;1461100287;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/#comment-117069 << if anyone cares to recommend the fellow "the book" on soviet propaganda...
1453890;1461100402;asciilifeform;check back in a century or so
1453891;1461100407;asciilifeform;there is not a the book.
1453892;1461100430;asciilifeform;for one thing, 'soviet' means at least 4 distinct periods.
1453893;1461100459;asciilifeform;as distinct as the roman republic vs empire
1453894;1461102725;phf;gentlemen, i bring you slightly improved search: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+jew+black http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+from%3Aascii+gpg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22lizard+hitler%22+from%3Aascii
1453895;1461102743;asciilifeform;neato!
1453896;1461102793;phf;ahaha
1453897;1461102813;mircea_popescu;o hey
1453898;1461102856;phf;brb, i broke bought
1453899;1461102866;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+beer+wine :D
1453900;1461102866;hanbot;going through the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453842 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-14#1451677 ...you gonna to stand for that mircea_popescu?
1453901;1461102893;mircea_popescu;mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may.
1453902;1461102913;shinohai;thx phf
1453903;1461103021;hanbot;here be dragons eh
1453904;1461103028;phf;but yeah, it greps by space separated words, greps by quoted strings (\" escape works) and recognizes from:foo, which composes. i.e. from:foo from:bar baz " foo bar " finds log entries from foo OR bar that contain both "baz" and " foo bar "
1453905;1461103032;*;mircea_popescu shrug
1453906;1461103050;mircea_popescu;phf now that's some power searching.
1453907;1461103841;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/
1453908;1461103842;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453909;1461103916;trinque;shinohai: if you're gonna use the wallet, you'll probably want mod6's patch for -lows too
1453910;1461103933;shinohai;Already using it ^.^
1453911;1461103936;trinque;sweet
1453912;1461104024;shinohai;Got tired of borking wallet.dat's using cruddy pywallet
1453913;1461104728;phf;(some things broke from incomplete state deploy, but things should be back to normal)
1453914;1461110928;shinohai;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36086563
1453915;1461116292;mod6;thanks for the update & testing shinohai
1453916;1461116354;shinohai;I got lazy on that project tbh but glad it is actually working
1453917;1461116505;mod6;mike_c: hey, got thos zocchi dice, and they look awesome. really great edges. i don't have a micromoter or whatever, so i can't really give a good break down at this point. but maybe in the future, will have a more comprehensive report.
1453918;1461121876;mircea_popescu;meh. mpex managed to flush the book. everyone is kindly asked to reintroduce whatever orders the had. apologies for the inconvenience.
1453919;1461121877;mircea_popescu;jurov ^
1453920;1461122098;davout;ouch
1453921;1461122420;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1453922;1461123514;davout;deedbot's dead?
1453923;1461123952;deedbot;[Trilema] Closing X.EUR - http://trilema.com/2016/closing-xeur/
1453924;1461123974;mircea_popescu;shouldn't be, no
1453925;1461123983;mircea_popescu;o the - one ? apparently.
1453926;1461124034;davout;re http://trilema.com/2016/closing-xeur/#identifier_0_65980 i think http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447801 is a very good idea, maybe BingoBoingo is interdasted
1453927;1461124034;a111;Logged on 2016-04-07 13:08 mircea_popescu: anyone cares enough to see if whoever's left at paymium wants to do a qntra interview ?
1453928;1461124107;BingoBoingo;davout, I was kind of waiting on you to be ready. Prolly should come after BitBet business is finished.
1453929;1461124172;davout;aha
1453930;1461124319;BingoBoingo;Gives an opportunity to establish contrast and your values.
1453931;1461124614;mircea_popescu;this boingo is wise beyond his years.
1453932;1461124898;BingoBoingo;And yet somehow my links ended up on an alf list
1453933;1461125074;mircea_popescu;yeah well not everyone is into everything.
1453934;1461125822;*;BingoBoingo kind of wants, shame it isn't a creeping red fescue http://naturalsociety.com/new-gmo-approved-grass-may-infiltrate-lawn-near/
1453935;1461127709;trinque;$up deedbot-
1453936;1461127740;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1453937;1461129358;trinque;davout │ deedbot's dead? << seems to be having some trouble with whatever's going on with freenode these days.
1453938;1461129417;trinque;but I have the new one eating deeds; a bit more work and deedbot- will not be needed anymore
1453939;1461146821;punkman;https://www.idontplaydarts.com/2016/04/detecting-curl-pipe-bash-server-side/
1453940;1461148726;mircea_popescu;$up referredbyloper_
1453941;1461148736;deedbot;referredbyloper_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1453942;1461148819;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/Nn8ZM << am i the only one that thinks it a little bizarre someone'd pay 80 btc for a site and then do exactly nothing for the next coupla weeks ?!
1453943;1461148964;mircea_popescu;punkman isn't all that buffer-filling shenanigans going to give the show away anyway ?
1453944;1461149010;mircea_popescu;"oh look, this 16kb script download takes > 1mb hurrr"
1453945;1461150301;shinohai;Good morning #trilema
1453946;1461150463;mircea_popescu;hola.
1453947;1461150790;shinohai;Trying to work up a hilarious angle on the 123-reg.co.uk lulz this morning.
1453948;1461151595;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1453949;1461151893;shinohai;This being the UK I am willing to bet the server admin was a Pajeet.
1453950;1461152105;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1453951;1461152281;punkman;mircea_popescu: give the show away to who? the guy piping to bash?
1453952;1461152372;mircea_popescu;anyone watching the system.
1453953;1461152386;mircea_popescu;"gee i wonder why a fresh install of X takes 2gb when the package is 200mb ?"
1453954;1461152396;punkman;also makes me think about what would happen in "underhanded bash install script contest". change a couple chars, pwn target?
1453955;1461152420;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1453956;1461155990;PeterL;mircea_popescu did you clear the orderbook on purpose?
1453957;1461156533;mircea_popescu;PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1453918
1453958;1461156533;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 03:11 mircea_popescu: meh. mpex managed to flush the book. everyone is kindly asked to reintroduce whatever orders the had. apologies for the inconvenience.
1453959;1461156583;PeterL;so, with the diminished selection of assets listed on mpex, are you going to lower the account fee?
1453960;1461158358;solrodar;PeterL: I doubt there have been any real account fees paid for years
1453961;1461158370;solrodar;my guess is the whole thing's now just a cover for money laundering
1453962;1461158791;shinohai;>.>
1453963;1461159176;solrodar;did nobody else find it implausible that he claimed to be able to find at least one person every month willing to spend $20,000 for access to an exchange where nothing was traded but shares of the exchange itself?
1453964;1461159191;solrodar;it looked like the world's first unintentional ponzi scheme
1453965;1461159216;solrodar;and then a few weeks after someone notices these alleged payments aren't on the blockchain
1453966;1461159233;solrodar;"we're going private"
1453967;1461160009;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/AbeOik6.jpg
1453968;1461160396;PeterL;solrodar so what was it, mp buying his own product to increase volume?
1453969;1461160577;solrodar;could be some of that as well
1453970;1461160602;danielpbarron;$v F1F7155A2B45099761F3C62B891DA26ADF8C691BDED7D4798A407B7227F7F2FB
1453971;1461160607;deedbot;danielpbarron rated solrodar -1 << I find it implausible that this guy has anything interesting to say
1453972;1461160625;solrodar;but what I was thinking is, he's got some private arrangement whereby people pay him "account fees" and then get most of that money back in some other manner
1453973;1461160644;PeterL;oh, no, solrodar has iritated the priest of the cult of mircea_popescuism
1453974;1461160720;solrodar;after it passes through his "payment network"
1453975;1461160730;*;solrodar afk
1453976;1461160737;PeterL;could be all sorts of things
1453977;1461162099;mod6;mod6 here
1453978;1461162110;mod6;still beat down status
1453979;1461162458;*;shinohai passes mod6 some "herbal remedy" <\\V\\V>ڪ
1453980;1461162902;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-19/intel-cuts-12-000-jobs-forecast-misses-as-pc-blight-takes-toll
1453981;1461163516;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/xap
1453982;1461163516;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1453983;1461163814;mod6;hah, "hey someone put some unicode in this j.."
1453984;1461164182;mats;solrodar: 'i don't understand this financial instrument so the operator must be laundering money'
1453985;1461164236;mats;you think he paid out 250k btc from account fees?
1453986;1461164244;mats;???
1453987;1461164291;PeterL;did he file the AML paperwork for all those account fees? No, therefore must be money laundering!!!
1453988;1461164540;mats;and what are you even talking about, re: 'these alleged payments aren't on the blockchain' ?
1453989;1461164582;mats;i assure you, i am a real person, and have received many withdrawals from mpex over the last two years. that are on the blockchain.
1453990;1461164627;PeterL;I think he meant the 50 btc account creation fee
1453991;1461164717;phf;mats: the "mp is a scammer" crowd is riding on an 18btc bitbet incident, and will continue to do so no matter what happens. remember how everyone was losing their shit, "all bitbet money is gone!!1"
1453992;1461164796;shinohai;Probably just "I didn't get named BitBet receiver" butthurt.
1453993;1461164820;phf;meanwhile couple of months ago mp explicitly said that he's starting a process of divesting from bitcoin, that was before bitbet, before ~anybody~ had voiced any kind of objections to anything
1453994;1461164851;phf;that decision had causes that in turn took several months to form and manifest as these things usually go
1453995;1461164892;phf;so now idiots are going to look at the past couple of months and point at patterns, "where's the 50btc account creations!"
1453996;1461164952;phf;i'm sure a person who's ready to drop 50btc on a trading account will do ~minimal~ amount of due diligence to confirm that mpex is a viable trading platform ~at the moment~
1453997;1461165413;phf;i actually did some maths and was ready to drop 50btc on an mpex account, but held off for the main reason that i don't see a solution (and there wasn't one found) to minor collusion problem. that conversation happened ~last october~ (or whereabouts), it was framed as a hypothetical, but it was a long precursor to chinese miner conferences (that in turn was serious grounds to suspect potential cartel) and all that other stuff.
1453998;1461165595;phf;so whether or not mp is a scammer, the greater framing of this conversation, makes certain allegations not only irrelevant, but also inane
1453999;1461165604;phf;ffs.
1454000;1461165653;solrodar;shinohai: not butthurt in the slightest, davout was clearly the better candidate
1454001;1461165660;mats;it got a little harder when mpex stopped offering options, but s.mpoe had a lot of volume for a long time precisely because it was valuable and served as a symbol for the exchange
1454002;1461165736;solrodar;$v AC0E2634089EEF76EBA906B010CE7E1F1EC0232B09CBD110CE9C2FBA4241D24A
1454003;1461165738;deedbot;solrodar rated davout 1 << competently completed BitBet receivership in only two weeks (tm)
1454004;1461165782;mats;i also don't know what the fee has to do with anything
1454005;1461165802;mats;'its so high nobody could possibly ever want to pay for it unless it was to launder money' ???
1454006;1461165841;phf;mats: it's the muckraking from b-a spilling over to here
1454007;1461165943;mats;there is nothing unbelievable about a fee like that being tenable when it is 1) an exchange that has never been hacked 2) operated by someone with a serious presence in the wot
1454008;1461165980;solrodar;3) and on which practically nothing was traded except the shares of the exchange itself
1454009;1461165986;solrodar;whose main source of income was new memberships
1454010;1461166006;solrodar;see the circle here?
1454011;1461166021;mats;why does 3 even matter?
1454012;1461166043;solrodar;because there's no actual economic activity in the system
1454013;1461166049;mats;you think folks wouldn't pay to trade in the stock of a single company?
1454014;1461166069;mats;because you can't possibly conceive of a reason why ~you~ would do it, the activity must be fraudulent?
1454015;1461166077;solrodar;never said fraudulent
1454016;1461166085;solrodar;evidently investors did actually get their money back
1454017;1461166086;mats;you used the phrase money laundering.
1454018;1461166098;solrodar;only a USG agent would assume that was a bad thing :P
1454019;1461166156;phf;solrodar: aren't you also implying mpex is a ponzi scheme?
1454020;1461166179;mats;only a poor and unimaginative fella would say the things you did this morning
1454021;1461166216;solrodar;it would have been a ponzi scheme if it was closed
1454022;1461166242;solrodar;but you know how ponzi schemes usually claim to have some undisclosed source of income
1454023;1461166257;solrodar;my suggestion is that that was actually the case
1454024;1461166304;solrodar;income from people "buying accounts" when they weren't really buying accounts
1454025;1461166320;solrodar;but a tumbling service
1454026;1461166401;phf;heh that's actually a good idea
1454027;1461166447;phf;but membership purchase is the core of ponzi, where's undisclosed source of income is the diversion (like herbalife sales)
1454028;1461166479;phf;can also have pure ponzi, like mmm
1454029;1461167156;solrodar;yeah, so I'm not saying it was a ponzi, or any other kind of scam, just that he wasn't being entirely up-front about what was going on
1454030;1461167231;solrodar;and he admitted as much when he said "By now its opacity verges on the ridiculous."
1454031;1461167256;phf;solrodar: you're reading tea leaves
1454032;1461167278;solrodar;maybe
1454033;1461167362;solrodar;so you were considering buying an mpex account in october, what would you have done with it?
1454034;1461167394;phf;nah, i wasn't considering in october, by october i've decided i'm not going to
1454035;1461167474;solrodar;I'm interested in how the maths could have made sense
1454036;1461167494;solrodar;were you hoping to get your money back from day-trading, dividends, long-term investments, or what?
1454037;1461167508;phf;long-term investment
1454038;1461167526;phf;mpex value hinges on long term viability of bitcoin as a way to store and accumulate wealth
1454039;1461167539;phf;hence all the talk of berkshire, intentional cultivation of "bitcoin company" values, ideological separation from fiat, tmsr, etc.
1454040;1461167554;phf;from that perspective 50btc is just that, if there's a return on it 5 years from now, and continued return after that, you get +ev. more companies get listed today or in a year, list own company, etc.
1454041;1461167591;solrodar;and all those things mean the share price of mpex itself would rise
1454042;1461167603;solrodar;fair enough
1454043;1461169207;phf;from that perspective it's not strange at all that s.bbet was "zero assets", or s.nsa doesn't pay for ascii's maryland house
1454044;1461169219;phf;both are fledgling processes, self contained by implicit tmsr rules. as economic activities they could never the less grow and gradually eat more of the outside world
1454045;1461169252;phf;enough of these self contained but intertwined economic activities (s.nsa and s.bbet hosted on s.host selling parts to ...) and you get something interesting
1454046;1461169599;solrodar;you would
1454047;1461169640;solrodar;but when I first came across it a year or so ago, I got the impression that 2012 was the what bliss in that dawn to be alive
1454048;1461169648;solrodar;and it's been winding down ever since
1454049;1461170187;davout;and here goes bitbet: https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/a0f12a33413ec3a38e3ae931068febec133b083d72810fc586a8b1c5f0d7922a
1454050;1461170371;davout;"Estimated BTC Transacted: 0.0001 BTC" <<< win
1454051;1461172077;ben_vulpes;omg not all at once davout
1454052;1461172972;deedbot;[Qntra] "Spring Into Money" Exchange Hacking Event Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/04/spring-into-money-exchange-hacking-event-continues/
1454053;1461173172;BingoBoingo;Sorry shinohai fxd
1454054;1461173868;shinohai;Awesum fix BingoBoingo "Spring Into Money" kek
1454055;1461173974;shinohai;I am sure Argentine Bitcoiners are laughing at their little Chilenos today.
1454056;1461174002;mircea_popescu;trinque incidentally, i received confirmation from a rather unlikely quarter that your "SQL is the DEF" idea is spot on : apparently people in games [modders, people who do the auction websites, etc etc,] have long ago and unviersally agreed THAT is how to DE. pic : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-04-20.log.html#t07:32:45
1454057;1461174044;mircea_popescu;PeterL i dun know that the "selection of assets" was ever the criteria.
1454058;1461174092;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, it suffers from having been given an inane syntax, the smell of which drives people away from the relational model
1454059;1461174156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1453984 << new version of "i don't understand how money works so jews must have pact with devil". which is WHAT is the problem with the sort of lowest-possible-effort, deliberately ignorant effort, PeterL
1454060;1461174156;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 14:56 mats: solrodar: 'i don't understand this financial instrument so the operator must be laundering money'
1454061;1461174183;mircea_popescu;it'll never wash. if it washes at some point in some circle, that's proof positive the circle in question is made of shit. maybe more or less invidious shit, depending, but shit nevertheless.
1454062;1461174241;trinque;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-04-20.log.html#t07:47:08 << ah csv, a shitty relational table!
1454063;1461174250;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1454064;1461174318;mircea_popescu;in any case - practice prevails. this ("modder people use sql to de") reads to me exactly like "porn people use vhs" did in 1980. it's not that it's over for betamax. it's that "what is this and where's the vhs."
1454065;1461174364;PeterL;vhs was king until something better came along
1454066;1461174486;mircea_popescu;[vocabulary : def = data exchange format ; de = data exchange ; pic = point in case]
1454067;1461174740;mircea_popescu;check out phf doing his logreading homework eh.
1454068;1461174876;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454005 <<< it was explained originally and has to be explained periodically [because the flies have infinite hitpoints only in aggregate, as the fly swarm, otherwise live for half a year as individuals] that the principal point of the fee is specifically to keep fees away.
1454069;1461174876;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 15:23 mats: 'its so high nobody could possibly ever want to pay for it unless it was to launder money' ???
1454070;1461174887;mircea_popescu;see old discussions about "qualified investor" and so on and so forth.
1454071;1461174924;mircea_popescu;to keep flies* away
1454072;1461174991;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454008 << look, i understand this "teach plox throw the curve" talk has served you well through life. neveretheless, the fact that you don't see more things, and things made by orther people on mpex is that you personally suck.
1454073;1461174991;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 15:26 solrodar: 3) and on which practically nothing was traded except the shares of the exchange itself
1454074;1461175019;mircea_popescu;it doesn't attach to me, or to mpex. i'm doing things. it attaches to you, personally : you're not good enough. and you sure as hell fore that reason do not belong opining in here. go learn how to do things that mpex may consider listing.
1454075;1461175058;mircea_popescu;it's a sad property of EVERYONE IN BITCOIN that mp is in the classical position of zeus, where if the whole mt olympus picks up the other side of the ring, he can still throw them all over the fucking sky.
1454076;1461175077;mircea_popescu;this isn't something to whine about. this is something to motherfucking fix. starting years ago, but 2nd best - today.
1454077;1461175550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454022 << you are also using words you do not master the meaning of. successful closure is sufficient and definitive proof something WAS NOT a pyramid scheme. the reason should be obvious, if you're not lazy and retarded. you however are, no matter what your mommy may have mendaciously told you, both lazy and retarded, so let's explain :
1454078;1461175550;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 15:30 solrodar: but you know how ponzi schemes usually claim to have some undisclosed source of income
1454079;1461175573;mircea_popescu;the reason ponzi collapses is not because ~someone wants to~. that's the angle ponzi masters ~push~, and lazy, retarded ignoramuses like yourself lap up.
1454080;1461175621;mircea_popescu;the reason ponzi collapses is because ~it can not continue~. that's it. if he could have, maddof would have closed down his ponzi cleanly. he can not. if it could have, the usg would have closed down its social securities, or "us financial system" or "real estate values" ponzies cleanly
1454081;1461175635;mircea_popescu;it can not. that's the only important attribute of a ponzi - that it can not be closed down cleanly.
1454082;1461175644;mircea_popescu;if it weren't for this, it wouldn't even be a bad thing, everyone'd do it.
1454083;1461175701;PeterL;I suppose a ponzi could be closed cleanly if done while it is still very small? If the operator kiscks in enough money to close it before it grows bigger than his pockets?
1454084;1461175750;mircea_popescu;if it's not larger than the operator then what is it ?
1454085;1461175773;PeterL;or is it only a ponzi once it gets bigger than the operator?
1454086;1461175788;mircea_popescu;this is some version of the "tree in the forest" argument.
1454087;1461175796;PeterL;could be that
1454088;1461175941;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454029 <<< i'm sorry, you want free access to IP, go ask apple. and for that matter intel.
1454089;1461175941;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 15:45 solrodar: yeah, so I'm not saying it was a ponzi, or any other kind of scam, just that he wasn't being entirely up-front about what was going on
1454090;1461176259;wywialm;hello
1454091;1461176262;mircea_popescu;hola
1454092;1461176285;wywialm;i wonder if F.MPIF is open for new profit centers
1454093;1461176300;PeterL;didn't f.mpif close?
1454094;1461176320;mircea_popescu;wywialm well it's a sad time for f.mpif, what with bitbet going. but i guess maybe ? what've you got ?
1454095;1461176359;wywialm;if you perhaps remember, i once announced work on a derivatives exchange
1454096;1461176391;mircea_popescu;vaguely
1454097;1461176461;wywialm;the work approaches completion, and in parallel i cooperated with developing market making algorithms on both futures and options
1454098;1461176490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454044 << the principle is sound and very close to home. the unforeseen obstacle is, of course, people. specifically it turns out it's a lot harder than expected to distinguish the people who'd like to be involved from the people who have any busienss being involved. the sad realisation is that the world changed A LOT over the past few decades, and not for the better.
1454099;1461176490;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 16:20 phf: both are fledgling processes, self contained by implicit tmsr rules. as economic activities they could never the less grow and gradually eat more of the outside world
1454100;1461176522;mircea_popescu;wywialm good for you but what's this to do with f.mpif ?
1454101;1461176584;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454047 << no. 2012 was the year every dog with a flea in his beard could pretend to humanity. then 2013 brought the requirement to actually not be poor, and 2016 brought the requirement to not be stupid, and common folk are all butthurt over being left behind
1454102;1461176584;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 16:27 solrodar: but when I first came across it a year or so ago, I got the impression that 2012 was the what bliss in that dawn to be alive
1454103;1461176608;mircea_popescu;squarely ignoring the fundamental part - that they should be left behind, that they're the scum in the engine and the gout in the knight.
1454104;1461176609;wywialm;:) i could invite F.MPIF to join the market making operations
1454105;1461176632;deedbot;[Qntra] BitBet Settlement Transaction Broadcast And Confirmed - http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitbet-settlement-transaction-broadcast-and-confirmed/
1454106;1461176648;mircea_popescu;so basically "i have this untested thing we baked together with some greenhorns that aren't in the wot but wouldn't mind using me - wouldn't you like to give us money ?"
1454107;1461176668;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty miserable offer. capitalism is about who gets what, not about who needs what.
1454108;1461176809;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454051 << he condensed it to a pretty tiny size.
1454109;1461176809;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 17:07 ben_vulpes: omg not all at once davout
1454110;1461176830;punkman;phf: meanwhile couple of months ago mp explicitly said that he's starting a process of divesting from bitcoin, that was before bitbet, before ~anybody~ had voiced any kind of objections to anything << "divesting" came after "A miner problem"
1454111;1461176874;PeterL;is there any benefit from splitting a transaction into multiple parts? seems like it would be most efficient to just do it all at once?
1454112;1461176891;punkman;phf: so now idiots are going to look at the past couple of months and point at patterns, "where's the 50btc account creations!" << and this was 1 year ago
1454113;1461176939;wywialm;i did not say that i need this money. also, it is not an offer for investing right now, just a check whether you will find anything interesting in it for you. if yes, i could go into greater detail how this is tested, how is going to be tested, etc.
1454114;1461176997;mircea_popescu;what has happened since you first mentioned it to lukewarm reception is that the person doing it has still not done his half year of log reading and humble wot beginings.
1454115;1461177006;mircea_popescu;the notion that i'd support such a thing is plainly outrageous.
1454116;1461177227;wywialm;for all practical purposes, i represent both the exchange and the market making, and it's more than a half year since my announcement. none of this, of course, is meant to imply that you should support anything i have to offer, i just try to clarify
1454117;1461177270;mircea_popescu;so you made it ?
1454118;1461177331;PeterL;wywialm what is traded on your exchange?
1454119;1461177362;wywialm;i designed the exchange, yes - as i said then, all the economic and transactional aspects are designed by me.
1454120;1461177400;wywialm;Quedex aims to offer FX futures and options, initially at least
1454121;1461177420;mircea_popescu;i dunno why this never came through.
1454122;1461177430;mircea_popescu;well, so explain the design ?
1454123;1461177583;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454120 <<< sounds like a Mexican cheese brand kek
1454124;1461177583;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 18:36 wywialm: Quedex aims to offer FX futures and options, initially at least
1454125;1461177588;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c hey, danielpbarron can't log into eulorum because something with cookies. anything change ?
1454126;1461177588;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454127;1461177596;mircea_popescu;shinohai you ever had bimbo bread ?
1454128;1461177607;shinohai;I have a loaf in my fridge lol
1454129;1461177724;shinohai;Bodegas are the only place to get fresh ingredients for anything around here, except when farmer's markets are open.
1454130;1461177729;mircea_popescu;pretty shitty wonderbread, but always good for a lulz, make teh galz have it.
1454131;1461177729;wywialm;to recall main points from the previous exposition: the exchange employs gpg messaging (following the MPEx standards) and allows to trade financially-settled futures and options initially on BTCUSD exchange rate.
1454132;1461177769;mircea_popescu;wywialm nice, but this isn't what i have in mind when i hear "economic design".
1454133;1461177782;mircea_popescu;explain that part. how are they designed, these instruments.
1454134;1461177804;wywialm;it utilises two matching models: continuous trading and auction, the latter being triggered around market settlement and around significant market moves
1454135;1461177862;wywialm;all futures and options have fixed USD notional value, each of them is margined separately, though portfolio-based margining is coming soon
1454136;1461177880;wywialm;i.e. each contract corresponds to $100
1454137;1461177916;wywialm;so that bitcoin is the home currency
1454138;1461177933;mircea_popescu;on what basis can you offer margin ?
1454139;1461178106;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> shinohai you ever had bimbo bread ? << first time I saw this in a supermarcado i was like "ha! they don't even know..."
1454140;1461178156;mircea_popescu;yeah lol
1454141;1461178187;wywialm;i'm not sure that i understand what you mean. i offer margin as i believe that the liquidation mechanism (including auction) will make sure that the losses do not exceed the deposits
1454142;1461178189;mircea_popescu;was one of the lulzy moments in costa rica, day after landing there, me spends with local bimbos, next day, supermarket, bimbo bread, o.O
1454143;1461178217;mod6;:D
1454144;1461178256;mircea_popescu;wywialm a) you're sure about something you've not explained ; b) you are forcing me to read between the lines which is the opposite of competence ; c) if what you mean is that you steal everyone's deposited cash to do mutually-financed margin, what happens when a position split 50/50 (allowing you, possibly, somewhere close to 2x margin) suddenly moves in choppy trading to 85/15 split
1454145;1461178293;mircea_popescu;and c-1) have you looked into the history of icbit.se which did the exact same thing and its trampling is discussed in early trilema ?
1454146;1461178372;shinohai;mod6 they sell "crumbs" too so I wonder if a trail of those leads bimbos to your door?
1454147;1461178373;wywialm;beggining from the last, c-1) yes, and as far as i remember, you removed a 'scam' warning from them
1454148;1461178496;wywialm;a) i'll try to proceed to explain everything i know about; b) if that's the case, then indeed i'll try to speak more clearly
1454149;1461178498;mircea_popescu;they paid me. this doesn't make the model more workable.
1454150;1461178518;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me you're about to skip c ?!
1454151;1461178636;wywialm;no, certainly not. c) what do you mean by 'position split' and what is the relation of it to leverage?
1454152;1461178683;wywialm;the long positions and short positions always necessarily must match
1454153;1461178921;wywialm;at any rate, margin is unavoidable when one trades in futures contracts - the short leg's losses can always exceed any deposit
1454154;1461179022;mircea_popescu;...
1454155;1461179041;mircea_popescu;mkay, let's detail this for the benefit of the kids reading logs.
1454156;1461179104;wywialm;ok, let me take it directly c) no, in no case the actual deposits are used as a coverage. The risk management has following steps:
1454157;1461179155;wywialm;first, if the position holder's losses approach his maintenance margin level, his entire position is liquidated on the market
1454158;1461179197;wywialm;second, if it happens that the market will move significantly impacted by this liquidation, the auction is triggered
1454159;1461179235;wywialm;this means that continuous trading is halted, orders are gathered and order book is balanced
1454160;1461179323;mircea_popescu;exchange trades symbol X. participant Be[ar] comes in and deposits 1000 coins. participant Bu[ll] comes in and deposits 1000 coins.
1454161;1461179323;mircea_popescu;exchange now has 2000 coins cash.
1454162;1461179323;mircea_popescu;exchange advances 2:1 margin to Be, backed by "its" cash.
1454163;1461179323;mircea_popescu;exchange advances 2:1 margin to Bu, backed by idem.
1454164;1461179323;mircea_popescu;Be puts in one order, at 9.9, ie 202 X.
1454165;1461179324;wywialm;if nevertheless, the auction price is such that the person's losses exceed his maintenance margin, the exchange covers the losses
1454166;1461179324;mircea_popescu;Bu puts in one order, at 10.1, ie, 198 X
1454167;1461179326;mircea_popescu;MP comes in and sells 1 X at 10.1. the price for X is now 10.1
1454168;1461179328;mircea_popescu;Be is now underwater, exchange takes its order off.
1454169;1461179330;mircea_popescu;MP comes in and buys the contract back, at 5.
1454170;1461179332;mircea_popescu;Bu is now way the fuck underwater, exchange takes his order off also.
1454171;1461179334;mircea_popescu;This in the happy case where the exchange doesn't attempt to autoliquidate positions, creating all the noise surges you could wish for.
1454172;1461179348;mircea_popescu;"the exchange covers the losses" out of what ? you're not fabulously rich afaik.
1454173;1461179369;mircea_popescu;and no, you can't fucking liquidate on the market, think about it for a moment. the very reason you are liquidating in the first place is that the market's no good.
1454174;1461179440;wywialm;from the insurance fund, replenished from commissions
1454175;1461179476;mircea_popescu;this is the first time i hear of such.
1454176;1461179486;mircea_popescu;hence a)/b).
1454177;1461179491;wywialm;well, liquidations don't happen when market is no good, but only when one participant is no good
1454178;1461179507;mircea_popescu;in any case : this is a rehash of that old http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ which'd prolly make good reading.
1454179;1461179570;mircea_popescu;essentially, you see what the big boys are doing, and figure you'll just do it yourself. except - the big boys can do things BECAUSE they are the big boys, ie, there's bernanke there to "save the economy". you aren't, and i can lean on you. moreover, the big boys don't ever do this 2:1 thing. they do a little margin, and as private financing, which is exactly how you should be doing it also.
1454180;1461179748;wywialm;well, certainly the fiat currency system makes the working of derivatives exchanges much easier
1454181;1461179791;wywialm;returning for a while to the 'market's no good' argument
1454182;1461179889;wywialm;if the liquidated position is small enough, then liquidating on the market is seamless; if it's large, here comes the auction. the orders are gathered during a certain period of time, which may be extended, without time priority
1454183;1461179950;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing here the ideal case where "the liquidated position is small enough". we're discussing here interesting cases, when you have a noisy market and a bunch of agents that act irrationally.
1454184;1461180102;wywialm;if price moves far enough, the auction serves as a circuit-breaker. Essentially, the only risk lies not in a noisy market or irrational, but in a large, certain but unforseen, and fundamental jump in the price
1454185;1461180119;mircea_popescu;except you're small, so "large" doesn't mean much.
1454186;1461180239;mircea_popescu;what happens if A is leveraged 1:1 and owns 100 contracts and B is leveraged 2:1 and "owns" 400 contracts, if that " the auction is triggered" undocumented bug springs into auction ? can A's wholly-owned contracts be touched by B's insanity ?
1454187;1461180279;wywialm;large here means 'large relative to maintenance margin percents', so our size doesn't matter much in this case. if the maintenance margin is 10% then this means that a 10% price jump won't hurt us regardless of our reserves.
1454188;1461180340;mircea_popescu;not that you ever explained in your design description what "maintenance margins" are, but this is a magic trick without substance : if you need to move 5% to break you'll move 5% and if you need to move 15% you'll move 15%.
1454189;1461180369;mircea_popescu;and the "how i picked 10%" is a testament to the whole "copying big boys" thing. there's a reason they use the magic numbers they do.
1454190;1461180381;mircea_popescu;that reason is empiric.
1454191;1461180401;wywialm;in fact, the 10% maintenance margin is illustrative only
1454192;1461180413;wywialm;but i proceed to explain
1454193;1461180427;mircea_popescu;you can't say you designed something and then keep pulling items from your sleeve as discussion of your design progresses.
1454194;1461180492;PeterL;perhaps it would be better to write up a full description instead of trying to string it out bit by bit?
1454195;1461180576;wywialm;PeterL, yes - the full documentation will appear on the website
1454196;1461180612;mircea_popescu;so far, i'm not as much as able to distinguish this from "here's my facebook clone", honestly.
1454197;1461180624;mircea_popescu;bit by bit works, but by invalidating THAT, and sorted in order of importance.
1454198;1461180753;wywialm;i didn't certainly revolutionize the electronic derivatives trading industry (nor claimed to), just trying to make a robust bitcoin-based market
1454199;1461180779;mircea_popescu;but your design is anything but robust. it's web-optimized, metaphorically speaking.
1454200;1461180791;wywialm;:)
1454201;1461180965;wywialm;let me refer to your example. first A owns his contracts in the same way B owns them. if A has short positions, these contracts are not fully collateralized. if B's losses exceed his margin (here: 50%), and exchange's insurance fund, in that situation A's profit, but not his initial deposit will be diminished accordingly. in that way, the exchange acts only as a intermediate between the counterparties
1454202;1461180975;deedbot;[Qntra] Happy 420 Charlie Shrem - http://qntra.net/2016/04/happy-420-charlie-shrem/
1454203;1461180979;wywialm;an intermediate*
1454204;1461181081;trinque;BingoBoingo: lol!
1454205;1461181133;mircea_popescu;wywialm the fundamental problem with this view is that i do not wish to engage in a financial relationship with deadbeat B, where "your site was only an intermediary". i wish to engage in specified, modellable deals.
1454206;1461181154;mircea_popescu;similarly, if oksluts.com opens up offering sluts starting at 1.75 and DD for 1k dollars,
1454207;1461181175;mircea_popescu;i am not open to receiving a short hairy jewish girl for my money, even if oksluts.com imagines "it was just an intermediary between parties"
1454208;1461181517;wywialm;at present stage, the mechanisms i tried to describe are only capable of making the "short hairy jewish girl" scenario as unlikely as possible. what could make it really impossible, is to issue a CDS on the general liabilities of the exchange. The proceedings from the sale would increase the insurance fund in return for a compensation. If total amount of insurance fund and CDS issued is greater than potential losses, no haircut on profits would
1454209;1461181517;wywialm;be possible.
1454210;1461181586;mircea_popescu;these are the canonical objections to this sort of "web exchange, mutually-insured on user funds" things : that on one hand they're an algorithmic noise amplification machine with no dampener available other than the power of prayer ; and that the yessentially implement a lemon market, a sort of competition in deadbeat-ism among the users. which is why they're so popular on reddit, and nowhere else.
1454211;1461181696;wywialm;this doesn't refer to the CDS-insured variant, does it?
1454212;1461181732;mircea_popescu;depends how that is implemented.
1454213;1461181871;mircea_popescu;but finance, much like cryptography, is altogether a crapshoot in the dark.
1454214;1461181884;mircea_popescu;both are disciplines concerning thesmelves with the unseen unknown.
1454215;1461182132;wywialm;generally, it will look as follows: the CDSs have a specific maturity (possibly matching futures expirations). The person buys the CDS with a discount from the notional value, the proceeds from the sale of the CDS is locked until maturity. If no credit event occurs, full notional value is paid out. if it does, first the insurance fund from the exchange is used, and CDS holders are a last resort
1454216;1461182168;wywialm;if the losses exceed the insurance fund, the CDS's notional value is diminished proportionally
1454217;1461182236;shinohai;BingoBoingo: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/former-shreveport-chiropractor-son-plead-guilty-operating-illegal-bitcoin-exchange
1454218;1461182290;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Guilty pleas are generally boring
1454219;1461182300;mircea_popescu;this is actually robust.
1454220;1461182318;BingoBoingo;Oh?
1454221;1461182326;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo was talking to wywialm
1454222;1461182331;BingoBoingo;ah
1454223;1461182342;mircea_popescu;shinohai i don't get it, what the fuck difference does it make that guy's dad used to be a chiropractor ?!
1454224;1461182412;shinohai;I guess he was using his medical license to sell Xanax
1454225;1461182418;mircea_popescu;heh
1454226;1461182419;shinohai;*because
1454227;1461182467;shinohai;File under: Bartards
1454228;1461182555;wywialm;the exchange has not yet launched and CDS mentioned above are to be implemented yet, but i asked about f.mpif knowing that in case of your slightest interest, any preparations will take a lot of time.
1454229;1461182577;mircea_popescu;who'd be running the pc anyway ?
1454230;1461182759;wywialm;i could offer my candidature, but of course this may be unsuitable for you. in that case, i could present the details to a person of your choice
1454231;1461182808;mircea_popescu;so basically you're looking for a skilled market maker to market make your new exchange ?
1454232;1461182916;wywialm;no, as i said before, i already have the automated market making algorithms, i look for expanding its funding
1454233;1461182934;mircea_popescu;this is also the first time you mentioned the exchange is going to take positions too ?
1454234;1461183028;wywialm;the market making project is separate from the exchange. i designed both, but they are independent from one another
1454235;1461183392;mircea_popescu;o.O
1454236;1461183415;mircea_popescu;are your futures going to be physically settled ?
1454237;1461183600;wywialm;initially, not, but it is definitely planned
1454238;1461183674;mircea_popescu;so how does the exchange get its price signal (other than the obvious "what'd be most convenient for the market making project")
1454239;1461183735;wywialm;an average of spot exchanges
1454240;1461183791;mircea_popescu;honestly this just reduced in my head to basically "hey, i want to be mp, and for the year to be 2012". so i guess... good luck with it ?
1454241;1461183875;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454110 << but "divesting" came before "anybody had voiced any kind of objections to anything", which is what i said
1454242;1461183875;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 18:27 punkman: phf: meanwhile couple of months ago mp explicitly said that he's starting a process of divesting from bitcoin, that was before bitbet, before ~anybody~ had voiced any kind of objections to anything << "divesting" came after "A miner problem"
1454243;1461184006;mircea_popescu;poor deedbot
1454244;1461184127;trinque;he got a few timeouts when trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net
1454245;1461184336;wywialm;mircea_popescu, i certainly aim to create an options market similarly to what you did, but i'm not you.
1454246;1461184365;wywialm;i was only presenting an offer for you to consider or discard, according to your judgement
1454247;1461185675;BingoBoingo;wywialm: If you want to actually distinguish yourself you prolly ought to consider offering actual tulip futures with physical delivery. Gives you something to practice your market making with.
1454248;1461185724;shinohai;lo
1454249;1461185914;BingoBoingo;Seriously. It's a commodity, that gets traded, and covert delivery is easy.
1454250;1461186058;danielpbarron;it's prolly harder to do such a thing with bulbs. there already exist plenty of companies doing this, it's a very large market, it's a perishable product, very very heavy, need good connections, etc..
1454251;1461186231;BingoBoingo;Not so perishable.
1454252;1461186390;danielpbarron;they keep for a few months and then they better be in the ground already
1454253;1461186478;BingoBoingo;Prepped for storage well they'll survive out of the ground longer.
1454254;1461186483;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 or ben_vulpes Should the #b-a part be changed on http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ?
1454255;1461186484;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454256;1461186565;mod6;Oh, kinda forgot about that.
1454257;1461186601;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6 they sell "crumbs" too so I wonder if a trail of those leads bimbos to your door? << inquiring minds want to know!
1454258;1461186695;shinohai;I'll set up a gofundme for research. If the cryptoid horseshit can get funds so can I.
1454259;1461186705;mod6;I'll have to discuss with ben on the IRC section, do we even allow people to use the webclient to connect here?
1454260;1461186797;trinque;heh, beat me to it
1454261;1461186845;mod6;heheh. i updated that to #trilema
1454262;1461186849;mod6;thanks trinque
1454263;1461186861;mod6;i think we're gonna need our own wiki now too, which is fine i guess.
1454264;1461186927;shinohai;thx mod6 I just happened to notice it earlier.
1454265;1461186946;mod6;thanks for keeping an eye out.
1454266;1461187014;shinohai;On the off chance someone finds it and wants to contribute, want them to show up in proper channel.
1454267;1461187217;mod6;werd
1454268;1461187924;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1454269;1461187929;gribble;Current Blocks: 408204 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 1043 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1454270;1461187936;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1454271;1461187945;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.91, vol: 7873.36677405 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 435.001, vol: 9521.99303 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.27, vol: 24253.22781182 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 433.0, vol: 1.1791705 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 444.781108, vol: 39152.19710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 443.5, vol: 1757.46015997 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.739092, vol: 44.60126226 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1454272;1461187948;BingoBoingo;;;more
1454273;1461187948;gribble;443.683554541
1454274;1461188104;BingoBoingo;http://www.emergencymedicalparamedic.com/most-horrific-obesity-story/ << Don't blame the mice!
1454275;1461188557;shinohai;If true, perhaps best hambeast story I have ever read.
1454276;1461191086;trinque;mod6 │ i think we're gonna need our own wiki now << http://wiki.deedbot.org/ I got you
1454277;1461191111;trinque;I just dumped cliki2 on there; needs a better stylesheet
1454278;1461191339;trinque;would probably be cool to hack deedbot auth into that
1454279;1461191390;BingoBoingo;Just ask Herr Vulpes how he handled VAN logins
1454280;1461191905;ben_vulpes;session up
1454281;1461192028;trinque;do what now
1454282;1461192044;trinque;what's VAN?
1454283;1461192105;ben_vulpes;abortive tmsr~ ad network i build once upon a time
1454284;1461192344;trinque;ah I remember you talking about that
1454285;1461192347;BingoBoingo;dat GPG login dough
1454286;1461192394;ben_vulpes;shat out an otp, successful decryption of which set a session on the user's browser.
1454287;1461192409;ben_vulpes;nothing magical
1454288;1461193467;phf;he's a witch, burn him
1454289;1461193571;trinque;well... we did do the nose
1454290;1461194132;mod6;heheh
1454291;1461194169;mod6;trinque: awesome!
1454292;1461194252;mod6;this matcha tea isn't bad as long as its not clumpy
1454293;1461198233;mircea_popescu;wywialm yes but the offer's not clear. asked if you need money, turns out no ; asked if you need skill, turns out no. well...
1454294;1461198296;mircea_popescu;mod6> I'll have to discuss with ben on the IRC section, do we even allow people to use the webclient to connect here? <<< i thought so, no ?
1454295;1461198498;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454289 << lol!
1454296;1461198498;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 23:06 trinque: well... we did do the nose
1454297;1461198507;mircea_popescu;ftr, it was my idea / prodding that pushed him to it!
1454298;1461198537;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-20#1454292 << check it out, usians now drinking matchsticks tea for lack of phosphorus
1454299;1461198537;a111;Logged on 2016-04-20 23:17 mod6: this matcha tea isn't bad as long as its not clumpy
1454300;1461199004;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitbet-settlement-transaction-broadcast-and-confirmed/ << o hey check it out. frenchy becomes 1st member of tmsr noblesse du robe, makes living off republican legal process.
1454301;1461199469;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, the web-irc thing seems to be fine.
1454302;1461199521;mod6;So I dunno when I said I was going to check in on the list of things to do, if that was today or friday or whatever. But I'm just getting started now. Been too damn beat down since Friday to even do anything.
1454303;1461199529;mod6;Alas, onwards and upwards.
1454304;1461199533;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1454305;1461202217;mod6;$up copumpkin
1454306;1461202218;deedbot;copumpkin voiced for 30 minutes.
1454307;1461202254;copumpkin;1) deedbot seems to reject my attempts to register with it
1454308;1461202270;copumpkin;2) mpex seems to have forgotten my public key
1454309;1461202346;copumpkin;anyone know what's up with either of those?
1454310;1461202362;copumpkin;I've been trying echo "STAT" | gpg -u --clearsign | gpg --encrypt --armor -r 2FB7B452
1454311;1461202958;mircea_popescu;hola.
1454312;1461202966;mircea_popescu;when's the last time you used it ?
1454313;1461203022;mircea_popescu;for one thing, seems to be way before the last mpex key update years ago ?
1454314;1461203284;copumpkin;not years ago
1454315;1461203301;copumpkin;I did have to give you my key again a couple of years ago
1454316;1461203320;mod6;copumpkin: 2FB7B452 << this is mp's personal key, try with '02DD2D91'
1454317;1461203334;mircea_popescu;oh right, that's my key.
1454318;1461203338;copumpkin;oh
1454319;1461203339;mod6;http://mpex.biz/faq.html#6
1454320;1461203344;copumpkin;whoops, I pasted the wrong thing
1454321;1461203354;mircea_popescu;oddly enough i don't even recognize my key in short form o.O
1454322;1461203374;copumpkin;oh that worked
1454323;1461203379;mircea_popescu;lol yw!
1454324;1461203421;copumpkin;man, I feel stupid now :)
1454325;1461203428;copumpkin;it still shows me as having MPOE holdings. Is that expected?
1454326;1461203450;mircea_popescu;still there for collectors, ie, people just like you, who might want a screenshot\
1454327;1461203456;copumpkin;:D
1454328;1461203457;mircea_popescu;they don't have any monetary value or anything.
1454329;1461203460;copumpkin;boo
1454330;1461203467;mircea_popescu;well they already paid out.
1454331;1461203471;copumpkin;yeah :)
1454332;1461203518;mircea_popescu;anyway, how's life these days.
1454333;1461203536;copumpkin;pretty good. You? I hear you had a falling out with -assets
1454334;1461203590;mircea_popescu;more like moved on.
1454335;1461203601;mircea_popescu;but not bad, check out eulora sometime.
1454336;1461203823;mircea_popescu;ahahah check out his hostmask asciilifeform ~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin :D
1454337;1461203832;copumpkin;:)
1454338;1461203851;mircea_popescu;anything interesting ?
1454339;1461204350;BingoBoingo;$up copumpkin
1454340;1461204351;deedbot;copumpkin voiced for 30 minutes.
1454341;1461204388;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot copumpkin
1454342;1461204388;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1454343;1461204403;mircea_popescu;just, huh. time has passed you by yo!
1454344;1461204423;mircea_popescu;but anyway - you can self-voice for an indefinite period by pm-ing deedbot $up and then $v the otp it gives you
1454345;1461204885;copumpkin;yeah, I tried that before, but it refused to register me
1454346;1461204898;mircea_popescu;uh ?
1454347;1461204921;copumpkin;[21:17:27] Import failed for copumpkin.
1454348;1461204930;copumpkin;I just typed $register copumpkin
1454349;1461204973;mircea_popescu;hmmm wtf is tis
1454350;1461204984;mircea_popescu;oh, tyou're prolly already regiustered i expect
1454351;1461205014;copumpkin;hmm
1454352;1461205019;copumpkin;with a different nick?
1454353;1461205034;mircea_popescu;well no with this one since it sees your trust level
1454354;1461205071;copumpkin;hmm
1454355;1461205082;mircea_popescu;say $up
1454356;1461205106;copumpkin;[22:18:14] copumpkin may not $up
1454357;1461205112;copumpkin;I'm pretty evil
1454358;1461205164;mircea_popescu;lemme see one second, how was the key recover thing
1454359;1461205208;mircea_popescu;$key copumpkin
1454360;1461205286;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0a9db265-acd3-446f-815f-428bf5b23a41/
1454361;1461205320;mircea_popescu;you are already registered and it knows your key.
1454362;1461205323;mircea_popescu;say $up in here
1454363;1461205341;copumpkin;okay, weird
1454364;1461205341;copumpkin;$up
1454365;1461205342;deedbot;You must be registered.
1454366;1461205347;copumpkin;lol
1454367;1461205350;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this weird
1454368;1461205354;mircea_popescu;trinque any clue ?
1454369;1461205354;copumpkin;I think it dislikes me
1454370;1461205365;mircea_popescu;copumpkin it doesn't run on a mac, so why would it.
1454371;1461205423;BingoBoingo;Fun with CBZ and grey water irrigation https://archive.is/BM8DS
1454372;1461205491;copumpkin;:)
1454373;1461206664;BingoBoingo;$up copumpkin
1454374;1461206666;deedbot;copumpkin voiced for 30 minutes.
1454375;1461207219;asciilifeform;veeeeeeeeeeeery preliminarily: http://nosuchlabs.com
1454376;1461207239;asciilifeform;(plz do not bookmark the rss yet! url will change to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com soon)
1454377;1461207262;asciilifeform;tank is getting refilled.
1454378;1461207289;asciilifeform;meanwhile, boiz and gurlz, enjoy (enjirl) the all-new Braindamage section.
1454379;1461207303;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot there.
1454380;1461207303;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454381;1461207368;BingoBoingo;nice http://nosuchlabs.com/sadmods
1454382;1461207438;BingoBoingo;ROLFCOPTER http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB
1454383;1461207455;asciilifeform;eh that one's old nyooz
1454384;1461207458;asciilifeform;see mircea_popescu's site.
1454385;1461207481;asciilifeform;but the basic litmus is now built-in and it turned up a buncha strange.
1454386;1461207517;asciilifeform;also thing runs on a real db now and can handle 'slashdotting' etc.
1454387;1461207539;*;asciilifeform has been awake for quite some time and will bbl.
1454388;1461207542;BingoBoingo;Yes, but now linkable
1454389;1461207589;mircea_popescu;lol enjirl
1454390;1461207728;BingoBoingo;So roughly extrapolating alf time from this and applying to Cardano... By 2020?
1454391;1461207771;mircea_popescu;lol merciless.
1454392;1461207775;mircea_popescu;people aren't machines!
1454393;1461208064;BingoBoingo;Oh, I was thinking more cosmological phenomena or natural process than machine
1454394;1461208212;BingoBoingo;to be fair I'm running roughly 10 years behind on everything that matters myself
1454395;1461208375;mircea_popescu;:p
1454396;1461208651;BingoBoingo;http://www.amplestuff.com/750-lbwideplatformdigitalscale.aspx
1454397;1461208871;*;BingoBoingo awaits seeing this sold in Walmart bathroom aisle. Starting to suspect instead of mp's watermelon field we'll just palletize obeasts
1454398;1461209573;mod6;asciilifeform: congrats!
1454399;1461211235;midnightmagic;!up copumpkin
1454400;1461211236;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1454401;1461211241;midnightmagic;uh
1454402;1461211280;midnightmagic;$up copumpkin
1454403;1461211281;deedbot;midnightmagic may not $up copumpkin
1454404;1461211293;BingoBoingo;$up copumpkin
1454405;1461211293;deedbot;copumpkin voiced for 30 minutes.
1454406;1461211304;midnightmagic;oh. I thought anyone who could +v themselves could $up?
1454407;1461211350;midnightmagic;i may have missed him, but anyway he asked me for +v
1454408;1461211351;midnightmagic;\o
1454409;1461211589;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot midnightmagic
1454410;1461211590;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1454411;1461211620;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic> oh. I thought anyone who could +v themselves could $up? << i'm not entirely sure how this even works by now. possibly only l1 ?
1454412;1461212008;midnightmagic;but i'm rated by you :)
1454413;1461212048;midnightmagic;oh well, good denough to just have active users willing to do it.
1454414;1461212091;mircea_popescu;ups really only get hard once one starts being loudly stupid
1454415;1461212184;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: so if you are majority owner of the new private mpex, did you just force a sale of mpex to yourself?
1454416;1461212305;midnightmagic;hrm. maybe the /topic needs and update for accuracy's sake re: +v being a sort of viral thing
1454417;1461212361;mircea_popescu;yeah possibly needs an update.
1454418;1461212391;midnightmagic;dangit. everybody seems to do things the exact times I'm not actively observing..
1454419;1461212406;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1454420;1461212507;midnightmagic;I am 12 days out of date re: MPEX sale.
1454421;1461212530;mircea_popescu;well if you actively observe a day every 12, you have a 94% chance of missing events.
1454422;1461212751;midnightmagic;It would indeed be a sad life were a human be doomed to repeat a 12-day cycle ad infinitum!
1454423;1461212795;mircea_popescu;hey, most humans historically lived on a 7 day cycle composed of a smaller 1 day cycle 85% of the time.
1454424;1461213201;BingoBoingo;$b 2
1454425;1461213202;deedbot;$b 2 is not a command.
1454426;1461213279;midnightmagic;Historically humans have been a fairly sad lot by the reckoning of reasonably educated developed-nation citizens. But no, it just seems that while I look away things happen that I find interesting with frequent regularity.
1454427;1461213346;mircea_popescu;mmm
1454428;1461213418;mircea_popescu;the notion that the aforementioned 7 day cycle / daily cycle human was SAD is so much fan wank, to survive in the minds of the incredibly sad contemporary population mostly on the grounds that hey, panglossism is easy and where would they meet a german serf anyway, to find out first hand he was actually having a better life than they do.
1454429;1461213456;mircea_popescu;~nobody at any point in history was as sad a lot as the ~1bn dead souls captive in the said remains of "the western world"
1454430;1461213609;midnightmagic;Such a thing did I not say; but rather to assert both that a 12-day repeating cycle would be a sad life, and that ancient humans lived a sad and brutish life to which few, if any, modern humans would realistically adhere should they find themselves the unwitting beneficiary of what heretofore might be considered the romantic notion of historical displacement!
1454431;1461213638;mircea_popescu;the latter point being in dispute.
1454432;1461213669;mircea_popescu;the only crapsack world is the present, in the sense that the only time most nobody, historical or contemporary actually would choose to live, is now.
1454433;1461213889;midnightmagic;Either through modern weakness, or perhaps a lack of related distant observational choice of a pure soul about to be born, it would surprise me indeed to discover a current-era developed-nation citizen who when presented with a factual account of ancient human life would choose to return to primal ways. The romance of the garden of eden is similarly equidistant from fact as is the romance of classic
1454434;1461213895;midnightmagic;al civilization.
1454435;1461213971;mircea_popescu;"a factual account" is an exercise in nonsense. should this "factual" be presented in ideological terms alligned with the present insanity, and should this "tabula rasa" item be somehow atuned to same ideological terms (which has exactly no chance of happening, but they invested in promoting and preserving said idiocy like to pretend it's somehow natural and universal, like all other ideological blind tunnels ever), then yes.
1454436;1461213979;mircea_popescu;in all other cases, abso-fucking-lutely no.
1454437;1461214083;midnightmagic;I merely intended to convey the hypothetical notion of an actual life as experienced first-hand. Even 100 years ago frontiersmen arriving to the Klondike, as a more accessible example, lived a life so perilous and filled with hardship I doubt nearly anyone alive would choose to return to it.
1454438;1461214097;mircea_popescu;consider as a simple example palindromes, a 2004 film by todd solondz. it tells the story of a plain, common girl aged 13 that wants to get pregnant. she is in this representative of a small but present throughout history minority. for living in any other time, she would have had a husband, children and a family and been perfectly happy. such as is amply recorded, as undesirious we might be to look at the records.
1454439;1461214113;mircea_popescu;instead, she gets a mother that forces a curetage on her that ends up with a hysterectomy,
1454440;1461214127;mircea_popescu;and then explains the importance of abortion for to increase the qty of quarts of icecream in the house.
1454441;1461214129;midnightmagic;:-o
1454442;1461214143;mircea_popescu;the notion that this sort of trade appeals to anyone but the patently insane is... well.. patently insane.
1454443;1461214204;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic as far as the "100 years" thing, i'll retreat behind cazalla's words : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-15#1132928
1454444;1461214204;a111;Logged on 2015-05-15 06:31 cazalla: ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more than what my grand parents paid for their massive acre blocks back in the day where they were able to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else to raise the 1 kid have it better because the total lack of land and bricks is worth $$$
1454445;1461214248;mircea_popescu;the people who went to klondike SOUGHT OUT the perilous life they lived. the people stuck in traffic sought out no traffic.
1454446;1461214255;mircea_popescu;nor the college debt nor the unlivable sky.
1454447;1461214291;midnightmagic;Amusing tangential but related example is Seth McFarlane's diatribe in 100 Ways To Die In The West, which in its agonizing detail describes wild west living in a way rarely seen in sanitized novels written by people more interested in Marty Robbins folk song. :)
1454448;1461214337;mircea_popescu;just because one style of lying is replaced by another style of lying doesn't mean we've reached any closer to "factual".
1454449;1461214369;mircea_popescu;100 ways to die in the west or no, mark twain died in his bed after smoking two carloads worth of cigars.
1454450;1461214474;midnightmagic;The people who sought out the Klondike were people whose lives were often equally brutish, violent, oppressed, and hateful. Hard work was so hard by our reckoning that doing it at home or believing the lies of the thrice-remove rumour mill impossible to corroborate was enough to drive them by the thousands across land and sea and river for the promise of a life *where they no longer had to deal with
1454451;1461214480;midnightmagic; such hardship.*
1454452;1461214510;mircea_popescu;your epithets are about as interesting as the miners calling you a confused youth with no real understanding of the world.
1454453;1461214530;mircea_popescu;what is this, "brutish" ?
1454454;1461214580;mircea_popescu;stuff like "oppressed" and "hateful" just disolves in its own juices, it NECESSARILY can't mean anything other than http://trilema.com/2013/racists-and-socialists/
1454455;1461214612;midnightmagic;Violent and absent justice and civilization.
1454456;1461214659;mircea_popescu;except "civilisation" is what they had, not what you do. and your idea of "justice" is... welll. the sops.
1454457;1461214701;mircea_popescu;moreover, absent violence is a diseased state.
1454458;1461214962;midnightmagic;Of course were I pure hypothetical pure soul standing in front of many bags, into each one I could leap and choose what time I arrived, absent any cultural baggage and in any event viscera at all, perhaps I would think differently. As I am now? Disease, sanitation, violence, injustice, cruelty, exposure, starvation.. these are alien pressures to any of us. A rare, rare few thinking they could achiev
1454459;1461214968;midnightmagic;e a kind of fiefdom in such a past I think might wish to make the journey to begin with, but exposure to violence of the sort Soapy Smith meted out is, I think, something no one given the choice with eyes open could make, constitution notwithstanding.
1454460;1461214980;mircea_popescu;well of course as you are now you'd pick your poison. that's the problem.
1454461;1461214990;mircea_popescu;as he is now, junkie would like a hit.
1454462;1461215004;mircea_popescu;but this is no basis for any sort of discussion of the possibilities.
1454463;1461215039;mircea_popescu;and note that most people lived quite happily under same soapy smith. in fact, from experience a mob run town is a better place than a bureaucrat run town, without exceptions.
1454464;1461215057;mircea_popescu;EVEN when bureaucrat run town consists of "give everyone foodstamps", ie, it's not even self-sustained.
1454465;1461215089;midnightmagic;That is true. Can the poison be separated from the person now? Is it possible to live a pure life in that sense? I know some who do. Like right now. Friends. And while integration with our life is impossible by now, they are wistful.
1454466;1461215107;mircea_popescu;who's to know.
1454467;1461215123;midnightmagic;I know of nobody who was happy he was there except Soapy Smith and his gang themselves.
1454468;1461215139;mircea_popescu;well yeah, because happy people don't tend to make facebook pages
1454469;1461215145;midnightmagic;Still. Small example, admittedly.
1454470;1461215353;mircea_popescu;it's an intricate point.
1454471;1461215446;mircea_popescu;for one thing, there's the "we were younger then" thing.
1454472;1461215503;midnightmagic;That is true.
1454473;1461215548;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, "This is your XQJ-37 plasma cannon. The only trouble is that since the old model XQJ was cobbled together from junked Amiga motherboards, you can only have one shot on the screen at a time."
1454474;1461215549;midnightmagic;Unrelated factoid: the life expectancy numbers shockingly low are usually calculated as an average including infant mortality rates.
1454475;1461215567;mircea_popescu;iirc this was discussed in the channel last time someone tried to use the "life expectancy" thing.
1454476;1461215630;mircea_popescu;however - it turns out high infant mortality is absolutely necessary for males to even consider starting a family. if there's 0 natural selection going on in the litter the task of extracting unworthy worms from the wailing woman's clutches to bang their head against a rock is just too damned demaning and ultimately not worth the hassle.
1454477;1461215669;mircea_popescu;which is part and parcel of why today's west utterly sucks : most of the walkers should have been dead before puberty.
1454478;1461215855;mircea_popescu;"oppressed" and "violent" and whatnot sound bad on paper - but in practice all it means is that "you can walk into two bars, one of which has sensibly shittier people than the other". choice is more or less obvious.
1454479;1461216022;midnightmagic;ahI hardly think a baby's chance encounter with chlamydia is a positive evolutionary pressure. Besides, if all that was the ideal then all medicine must be eschewed in service of the notion of natural selection, while a belief in our *ability to detect long-term positive evolutionary mutations* must be assumed perfect.
1454480;1461216066;mircea_popescu;not necessarily that far. merely pointing out that this car is worse than a horse is not necessarily a proposition to eschew all further use of fire.
1454481;1461216077;midnightmagic;I'm not going to be defending millenials, by the way. Their particular deficiencies appear to be maladaptive.
1454482;1461216080;midnightmagic;lol
1454483;1461216127;mircea_popescu;(i've had the pleasure to do exactly that - by the way, stuck in cab with old driver on avenida corrientes - which has been here since the ancient days before planes were a thing - and reminescing how this road was fine back when 20 men could ride abreast - but not so far today when 3 cars and a bus can)
1454484;1461216143;mircea_popescu;as factual as it gets, most buildings on eitehr side HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THOSE HORSES.
1454485;1461216147;midnightmagic;No, it's not, but I mention it as an example of why the notion itself is problematic that infants should die in order that the remainder be presumed strong.
1454486;1461216172;mircea_popescu;the whole argument is that there's nothing wrong with infant and generally youth mortality IN PRINCIPLE.
1454487;1461216172;midnightmagic;Awesome. The cabbie rode horses?
1454488;1461216178;midnightmagic;My grandfather rode horses.
1454489;1461216184;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic he was 70ish, and was a small child at the time.
1454490;1461216199;mircea_popescu;living memory, sorta thing.
1454491;1461216236;midnightmagic;He hated them. He liked nice horses but as a whole found them capricious and unpredictable beasts harder to maintain than an old austin.
1454492;1461216255;mircea_popescu;exact same has been said about women
1454493;1461216261;mircea_popescu;generally by people not very good with them.
1454494;1461216288;midnightmagic;lol
1454495;1461216394;midnightmagic;I'm going to go murder some videogame people and make some geeks scream futilely at their TVs now; I mention this mostly to excuse myself from present conversation and so as not to exit said chat more rudely than I must. As always, nice to be able to use words bigger than two syllables, dude. \o
1454496;1461216468;mircea_popescu;hey, try eulora sometime.
1454497;1461216483;midnightmagic;ok will do
1454498;1461220181;BingoBoingo;A typical reddit user history https://i.sli.mg/IDaC8q.png
1454499;1461222355;BingoBoingo;;;google mit chain anchor
1454500;1461222356;gribble;Mooring Design - MIT OpenCourseWare: ; MIT Sailing: Dock Renewal: ; Helping Build Cities Through Anchor Institutions | MIT School of ...: ; AndreasMAntonopoulos (@aantonop) | Twitter: ; Griffin Brown (@griffinbrown_92) | Twitter:
1454503;1461222756;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4frv5e/bitbet_exit_unscams_shocking_butters_everywhere/
1454504;1461223723;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/feb/13/mob-deep-russian-mafia-gravestones-in-pictures
1454505;1461242605;asciilifeform;'Based on the information I have available to me, it appears that the MIT ChainAnchor Project is in part an attempt to get Bitcoin users to register their real world identities and associate their transactions with those identities. Initially this would be on an opt-in basis, however it appears that ChainAnchor has a longer-term plan to bribe and coerce miners into only mining transactions from registered users, eventually prohibitin
1454506;1461242605;asciilifeform;g non-registered users entirely.' << mega-l0l!
1454507;1461242713;asciilifeform;'n the ChainAnchor semi-permissioned overlay a successful miner receives a further additional payment (beyond the new coins and transaction-fees in Bitcoin) for completing a block consisting only of permissioned-transactions. For a validated permissioned-block, IdP-PI and IdP-PV must verify that the successful Miner’s public-key is found in the Verified Identities Database. That is, they both must ensure that the Miner has executed
1454508;1461242714;asciilifeform; the zero knowledge proof protocol with the IdP-PV prior to mining for ChainAnchor permissioned-transactions.'
1454509;1461242744;asciilifeform;everybody recalls, yes, that this endgame was obvious even in 2013 ?
1454510;1461242808;asciilifeform;miners will receive as much printolade as it takes. the ones who refuse - 'have problems' etc.
1454511;1461242894;asciilifeform;'Allegedly ChainAnchor was looking into paying miners an additional premium if they mine on top of compliant blocks rather than on top of non-compliant blocks; a possible strategy for miners might be to use compliance as a tie-breaker when determining what side of a fork to mine on. It’s also easy to imagine tools like DoS attacks being used, as well as legal, regulatory, and even social pressure. Finally of course, once a majority
1454512;1461242894;asciilifeform; of hashing power is on board, a direct 51% attack is always possible (though I’d expect a more subtle approach to be used).' << ahahaha.
1454513;1461242935;asciilifeform;what it takes to make even peter todd barf!
1454514;1461242956;asciilifeform;reminiscent of ukr atrocities where the ss came and barfed
1454515;1461242975;mircea_popescu;heh
1454516;1461242987;mircea_popescu;all this, of course, because no miner cartel.
1454517;1461243043;asciilifeform;iirc there originally were ~two~ minercartels
1454518;1461243047;asciilifeform;but the american one went limp
1454519;1461243050;mircea_popescu;quite.
1454520;1461243061;mircea_popescu;the ustards, as worthless as the middle east showed them
1454521;1461243095;asciilifeform;and holy fuck, nearly 500 bizarrely-exponented keyz
1454522;1461243118;mircea_popescu;yet somehow inexplicably, the lengthy string of apologies and mp-worship does not seem to in any sense balance out the very short chain of vitriol and mp-bashing.
1454523;1461243124;mircea_popescu;wonder of wonders, this free world of idiots.
1454524;1461243244;asciilifeform;anyway the todd piece seems to suggest that intel finally coughed up their miner.
1454525;1461243252;asciilifeform;or will in near future etc.
1454526;1461243304;mircea_popescu;or stuck improvising for lack of viable strategy through events unfolding no one could have predicted, or or or.
1454527;1461243362;asciilifeform;one can at least dream that they will sink a few $trillion into hardware that we can then brick.
1454528;1461243382;mircea_popescu;they don't currently HAVE trillions, for any purpose, including feeding the apparatus.
1454529;1461243389;mircea_popescu;but maybe a bn or two, with any luck.
1454530;1461243410;*;asciilifeform bbl
1454531;1461243417;mircea_popescu;idem.
1454532;1461249706;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4224
1454533;1461250576;PeterL;;;later tell jurov could you look at CoinBr, seems whatever mircea_popescu did messed up the account balance
1454534;1461250576;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454535;1461252086;PeterL;$up jurov_
1454536;1461252852;PeterL;message from Jurov : http://dpaste.com/1KPZ8RA.txt
1454537;1461253435;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/dram-bitflipping-exploits-that-hijack-computers-just-got-easier << run moar ddr3
1454538;1461253700;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/GPSHF04A << lulzy
1454539;1461253701;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454540;1461254156;asciilifeform;from the dept. of definitely not nyooz: https://github.com/saltstack/salt/commit/5dd304276ba5745ec21fc1e6686a0b28da29e6fc
1454541;1461254160;asciilifeform;^ die of laugh
1454542;1461254476;asciilifeform;http://www.rowan.edu/colleges/csm/departments/computerscience/research/reports/tr2010-2.pdf << possible explanation for rsa keys with gigantic exponent
1454543;1461254523;shinohai;congrats on getting phuctor back up and humming btw asciilifeform
1454544;1461254601;asciilifeform;ty shinohai but it isn't 100% up yet, as you can see
1454545;1461254636;asciilifeform;(only filling the tank and doing basic static tests, calculator will be installed later this week)
1454546;1461254638;shinohai;Baby steps
1454547;1461255043;asciilifeform;there is a very mass-grade-digging-up, time-capsule-like feeling to reading phuctor output
1454548;1461255047;asciilifeform;*mass-grave
1454549;1461255062;asciilifeform;it lifts the cover on - imho - a very interesting time period
1454550;1461255085;asciilifeform;where pgp seemed to 'threaten to go mainstream' and usg had not yet decided what to 'do about it'
1454551;1461255151;asciilifeform;and so resorted to flooding the market with braindamaged 'embrace&extinguish' incarnations of it,
1454552;1461255154;asciilifeform;and then to spray out blatantly doctored keys etc.
1454553;1461255179;asciilifeform;the weakest link was always in the fingerprint mechanism
1454554;1461255194;asciilifeform;and in the basic braindamage of communicating with strangers for whom you have no hard point of introduction.
1454555;1461255209;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu explained this some time in 2013 but i haven't the link here.
1454556;1461255255;phf;oh i should add date ranges to search..
1454557;1461255267;asciilifeform;phf: that would be quite spiffy
1454558;1461256197;mircea_popescu;lol jurov
1454559;1461256381;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing users can't just re-enter their orders or something ? anyways.
1454560;1461256413;mircea_popescu;in other news i see phuctor numbers marching steadily up, 440/562 by now ?
1454561;1461256423;asciilifeform;aha!
1454562;1461256443;asciilifeform;and these are just moduli that tripped the heuristic checkz
1454563;1461256463;asciilifeform;interestingly,
1454564;1461256466;mircea_popescu;well no, some are duplicates
1454565;1461256471;asciilifeform;the 440
1454566;1461256486;asciilifeform;interestingly, if e is not coprime with n, the key cannot be used.
1454567;1461256489;mircea_popescu;EL HACKEO ?
1454568;1461256491;mircea_popescu;o fuck me sally.
1454569;1461256493;asciilifeform;in case anyone did not know this
1454570;1461256506;mircea_popescu;!aprendamos y luchamos!
1454571;1461256506;gribble;Error: "aprendamos" is not a valid command.
1454572;1461256513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tldr - linked item purports (pgp-signed..) to be account of the hackteam vivisection.
1454573;1461256530;mircea_popescu;here's a thought, nobody that needs to discuss computing in his dumb mother's tongue has what it takes to "luchar".
1454574;1461256541;mircea_popescu;and fucking luchemos omfg. everything is wrong with these people. EVERYTHING
1454575;1461256542;asciilifeform;well the phacts check out.
1454576;1461256566;asciilifeform;word on the street is that it was published in sp as a deliberate insult.
1454577;1461256566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm sorry, i can't go through the introduction
1454578;1461256598;asciilifeform;anyway tldr is that 'hackteam' used a boatload of commercial crapolade on their lan.
1454579;1461256608;mircea_popescu;and / so ?
1454580;1461256620;asciilifeform;and so got thoroughly raped.
1454581;1461256625;mircea_popescu;random derpy outfit nobody cares/cared about , what.
1454582;1461256644;asciilifeform;it was a niche thing. firm that specialized in writing virii for idiot orc govs.
1454583;1461256654;asciilifeform;the folks who give a shit - know who they are.
1454584;1461256659;asciilifeform;snore from last year.
1454585;1461256665;mircea_popescu;looky, even here, the faux is obvious : "solamente correos cifrados porfa thunderbird/enigmail" ? gimme a fucking break.
1454586;1461256676;mircea_popescu;yes it will brain-parasite a bunch of retarded hablaespanoles.
1454587;1461256685;asciilifeform;i have nfi. possibly 'protocols of zion' aha.
1454588;1461256685;mircea_popescu;o noes, the maid and the gardner!!11
1454589;1461256729;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is thatch45 ?
1454590;1461256755;asciilifeform;nfi
1454591;1461256786;mircea_popescu;"good this was changed, world wasn't doomed before". who the fuck is madduck
1454592;1461256817;asciilifeform;thread was about none less than RSA WITH EXPONENT OF 1
1454593;1461256823;asciilifeform;put this in pipe, smoke it...
1454594;1461256825;mircea_popescu;i can see that.
1454595;1461256839;asciilifeform;and no i have no idea who the zoo animals were.
1454596;1461256842;mircea_popescu;also dlitz has a point
1454597;1461256843;asciilifeform;or where they are now.
1454598;1461256849;mircea_popescu;this ALSO looks like it has parallel vulns.
1454599;1461256885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am mostly reading the names so they're in the search.
1454600;1461256893;asciilifeform;gotta love the 'use openssl like everybody else, peon!' folk.
1454601;1461256920;asciilifeform;'One note to consider: certification, e.g. OpenSSL on RHEL is certified to FIPS 140-2, so if you used TLS with OpenSSL as the backend the FedGOV/large firms/etc could use salt.' << gold.
1454602;1461256941;mircea_popescu;moral being "don't use salt", nfi that anyone does/would.
1454603;1461256987;asciilifeform;i have never seen it in the field. but it appears to be a webtard thing
1454604;1461257000;asciilifeform;perhaps the resident zoologists (ben_vulpes ?) could comment.
1454605;1461257076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454550 << it's always the same playbook, incidentally. and we're climbing up the same curve with bitcoin, also.
1454606;1461257076;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 16:11 asciilifeform: where pgp seemed to 'threaten to go mainstream' and usg had not yet decided what to 'do about it'
1454607;1461257078;phf;mircea_popescu: nah, worst case it doesn't return to a default (typically much more permissive) umask after handling the keys
1454608;1461257104;mircea_popescu;phf usure ?
1454609;1461257127;phf;yes
1454610;1461257140;mircea_popescu;aite.
1454611;1461257178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but for the record, the brief, illusory "wealth" rained on idiots like ers et all had much more to do with zimmerman's work than with, say, murdock's.
1454612;1461257191;mircea_popescu;as is usually the case, i guess.
1454613;1461257192;asciilifeform;aha.
1454614;1461257214;asciilifeform;the notion being that anything can be buried beneath an infinitely tall pile of 'cheaper, user-friendly', mit-endorsed imitations
1454615;1461257226;asciilifeform;'i-can't-believe-it's-not's.
1454616;1461257246;mircea_popescu;this even worked, back before gossipd.
1454617;1461257258;asciilifeform;i specifically remember what esr was a pill against
1454618;1461257270;asciilifeform;his 'open source movement' thing was specifically a counter to rms
1454619;1461257315;asciilifeform;(who and why saw rms as needing a counter-pill, i have nfi)
1454620;1461257328;asciilifeform;but i suppose gnu was seen as possible threat, as pgp once was.
1454621;1461257359;asciilifeform;incidentally i saw esr alive on several occasions.
1454622;1461257364;asciilifeform;he hangs out around this town.
1454623;1461257374;asciilifeform;a sorry wreck of a man.
1454624;1461257380;mircea_popescu;gnu mostly rode on the coattails of the pgp panic of 1990
1454625;1461257398;phf;in the end wreckers ended up being much more effective against rms than esr's oss
1454626;1461257415;mircea_popescu;phf different types of fanatics.
1454627;1461257420;mircea_popescu;it's almost like a tabletop rpg, this shit.
1454628;1461257471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, he lives on a boat, what could possibly go wrong
1454629;1461257485;mircea_popescu;[i suppose we're all too distant from our sailing ancestors to know what age at sea does to man]
1454630;1461257505;asciilifeform;waiwut
1454631;1461257513;asciilifeform;esr is not afaik a boat man.
1454632;1461257564;mircea_popescu;didn't he have a webbegging page up for a new engine back when the lulz at him started ?
1454633;1461257568;asciilifeform;orlov!
1454634;1461257575;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has his crackpots mixed up.
1454635;1461257584;mircea_popescu;oh ers was just begging generically, at the same time orlov needed new engine
1454636;1461257588;mircea_popescu;i god danged mixed them up!
1454637;1461257600;phf;esr is the guy who's into guns
1454638;1461257621;phf;http://www.catb.org/~esr/graphics/raymond007-5.jpg
1454639;1461257630;mircea_popescu;phf yes yes, and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265178
1454640;1461257630;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 12:55 punkman: then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835
1454641;1461257842;asciilifeform;the progression from lottery winner to pauper is sop tho
1454642;1461257845;asciilifeform;consider moldbug.
1454643;1461257850;asciilifeform;or any other lotto champ.
1454644;1461258068;mircea_popescu;there's lotto and then there's usgotto.
1454645;1461258123;mircea_popescu;in the first kind, random derp ends up with some chumpatronium. being random he is randomly distributed re skill, and normally the juice leaves him. similarly if i took a marketable blonde and told her to go live with random guy on the street, which she will because they do what i say, he'll STILL manage to lose her over time.
1454646;1461258147;mircea_popescu;in the second kind, highly intelligent BUT SPECIFICALLY LOBOTOMIZED male is gently nudged back into the pen.\
1454647;1461258206;asciilifeform;how really different are the two ?
1454648;1461258235;mircea_popescu;very. first - guy is specifically unselected. second - guy is specifically selected.
1454649;1461258289;asciilifeform;i see more quisling than lobotomy victim re esr et al
1454650;1461258358;asciilifeform;he was specifically hired as a kind of zhirinovsky.
1454651;1461258367;asciilifeform;(tame oppositioneer)
1454652;1461258397;mircea_popescu;there's a deep reason that works, and that deep reason is that these aren't whole men.
1454653;1461258414;phf;none of these people are hired to do something out of their nature, they show up how they are, hence lobotomized
1454654;1461258427;mircea_popescu;knowing as we do in fact know that children normally develop into whole men almost half of the time, their presence is proof of artifice,
1454655;1461258432;mircea_popescu;or as the women call it, "civilisation".
1454656;1461258473;asciilifeform;and not only are they selected as the 'least likely to take the money and run to namibia',
1454657;1461258488;asciilifeform;but it isn't as if they were paid on actual hard money that could buy the necessary truck of kalash ammo
1454658;1461258511;asciilifeform;usg has a quite correct, from its pov, 'belt and suspenders' approach here.
1454659;1461258539;asciilifeform;my point being that the actual amount of 'polit reliability' asked of the esr folk is minimal.
1454660;1461258556;mircea_popescu;the issue is not political.
1454661;1461258571;asciilifeform;how much damage could a suddenly 'cured' esr do ?
1454662;1461258572;mircea_popescu;not anymore than "can i trust this eunuch with my dear roxy" is political.
1454663;1461258576;mircea_popescu;he just can't get it up, what.
1454664;1461258581;mircea_popescu;there is ~no cure.
1454665;1461258586;asciilifeform;i did not say there were.
1454666;1461258591;mircea_popescu;certainly not from outside, nor in old men.
1454667;1461258610;mircea_popescu;it's a case of "the cure seeker never really needed a cure - magic was always in him ; the non-seeker... well..."
1454668;1461258614;asciilifeform;just pointing out that 'roxy' is a pile of bricks
1454669;1461258620;asciilifeform;so eunuch gets it up one day
1454670;1461258622;asciilifeform;he will fuck bricks ?
1454671;1461258630;mircea_popescu;roxy is a sweet piece of ass, howdareyou!111
1454672;1461258638;asciilifeform;not this one!11
1454673;1461258663;asciilifeform;(btw i wonder how many readerz know who was roxy.)
1454674;1461258665;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, could have done lots of damage. opened joint-venture with iran in lebanon lol.
1454675;1461258677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they will, in article i'm writing.
1454676;1461258686;mircea_popescu;well, packaging. but anyway.
1454677;1461258690;asciilifeform;i think pete_dushenski knew
1454678;1461258713;asciilifeform;incidentally how come we have no turks.
1454679;1461258751;mircea_popescu;noidea
1454680;1461258758;mircea_popescu;da fuck deedbot's goen ?
1454681;1461258809;mircea_popescu;;;later tell trinque the problem with deedbot being offline is that i am forced into the dilemma of either turn ben_vulpes req for voice down, or else voice people outside of the model. i don't like either horn, at all.
1454682;1461258809;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1454683;1461258929;asciilifeform;is there any practical reason not to have spare bot ?
1454684;1461259050;mircea_popescu;i dunno, that it dilutes the cool ?
1454685;1461259068;mircea_popescu;ends up in a "did you forget to buy bread" situation.
1454686;1461259185;asciilifeform;Netsplit over, joins: deedbot- << l0l
1454687;1461259445;asciilifeform;btw thinking again about it, lotto is quite like usgotto in that the skill distrib. in either case is NOT random
1454688;1461259463;asciilifeform;i.e. the folks who play lotto, are selected in practice for dullness
1454689;1461259473;asciilifeform;in ACTUAL random distrib, you often get a winner
1454690;1461259482;asciilifeform;consider the folks who often rise up in times of civil war etc
1454691;1461259494;asciilifeform;'in every private's rucksack, a marshall's baton' (napoleon!)
1454692;1461259527;mircea_popescu;this is a very good point.
1454693;1461259561;asciilifeform;any time you see 'below random shot' result, sit and think !
1454694;1461259563;mircea_popescu;they are both selected for dullness, arguably of distinct kinds, but ultimately very much the same : they're the sort women want to raise their babies [if not to make their babies].
1454695;1461259607;asciilifeform;some draft animals have 2 legz
1454696;1461259610;asciilifeform;whatcanisay.
1454697;1461259710;mircea_popescu;if roxy goes into the bath in front of the trusty eunuch, is she a pile of bricks ?
1454698;1461259718;phf;also stories about dimwits getting genie bottles always have some moral to them that's applicable to "real life". there's really no moral to solomon getting genie bottle, since solomon is that with or without one
1454699;1461259731;mircea_popescu;is it a wall, that the impotent can not fuck, for the not fucking ?
1454700;1461259737;mircea_popescu;is then the wall one fucks a woman by that gift ?
1454701;1461259756;mircea_popescu;phf this breaks down once moses gets box of covenant ?
1454702;1461259781;asciilifeform;when somebody with half a brain gets the bottle, all bets off.
1454703;1461259784;mircea_popescu;[hence why jews have the best old stories - they had the courage to do what good writers always do, go in the middle and subvert the trope]
1454704;1461259818;asciilifeform;pretty much the whole of usgology boils down to 'keep folks with brains from accessing the boojum'
1454705;1461259842;mircea_popescu;it has to, you understand ?
1454706;1461259853;asciilifeform;no shit
1454707;1461259855;mircea_popescu;you lot can not be trusted. the smarter you get, the less you can be trusted not to be dumb.
1454708;1461259896;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think so, since moses was a man on a mission from god, it would be a distraction for him (from the mission) to choose to become a magi, hence the story
1454709;1461259909;mircea_popescu;phf did you read the story ? he did become a mage.
1454710;1461259914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even something as basic as ~time~
1454711;1461259927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you have any idea what, e.g., i, could do with a whole month !
1454712;1461259942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this, incidentally, is the one cure / amulet of protection / curse removal / whatever actually worth finding.
1454713;1461259954;phf;sleep ad libitum?
1454714;1461259958;*;phf ducks
1454715;1461259965;asciilifeform;phf is not wrong
1454716;1461259967;mircea_popescu;no, no, protect smart people from scaling up the dumb.
1454717;1461260025;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if the meta-brain was made of plasticine, and with a fixed origin. yes you can make it go as far in one direction as you want, but this thins it out in all others, meaning there's an exponential relation between "furthest out" and "furthest in" points
1454718;1461260032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate plox ?
1454719;1461260072;mircea_popescu;suppose you have 3.141592 squnits of brain. you get the option of making it into a circle [mens sana in corpore sano!!1] and you are guaranteed to be no dumber than 1.
1454720;1461260100;mircea_popescu;should you decide to make it go 72 units to the left, which you can do, what guarantee you can offer re "shortest distance from origin" ?
1454721;1461260103;mircea_popescu;0.01 ? 0.0001 ?
1454722;1461260129;mircea_popescu;72 * 0.0001 = 0.0072, and allow me to remind you what the mathematical notion of optimal play is
1454723;1461260138;mircea_popescu;it specifically says you're not supposed to play as a 0.00x
1454724;1461260148;asciilifeform;circles get raped by the motherfucking athenians tho.
1454725;1461260162;mircea_popescu;whoosh. say wut ?
1454726;1461260178;asciilifeform;the mens sana in corpore sano folx
1454727;1461260189;mircea_popescu;ah. yes, poor predictable rock.
1454728;1461260193;asciilifeform;aha.
1454729;1461260217;mircea_popescu;the problem with the "we'll just superimpose differently spiked circles into this ball of wrecking" solution is that well...
1454730;1461260227;mircea_popescu;works when it works.
1454731;1461260232;mircea_popescu;nobody knows why it doesn't when it doesn't.
1454732;1461260288;mircea_popescu;but the problem here to my eyes is that there really is no motherfucking reason for the meta-brain to act like if made of plasticine. really, figuring out the memory hole effect is THAT hard ?
1454733;1461260313;mircea_popescu;much like independence is deliberately not taught to girl-cows in agrarian societies, sanity is deliverately anti-taught to smart kids in socialism. so what ?
1454734;1461260346;asciilifeform;my first paying job was to observe telomeres shortening. so i understand this process pretty well. BUT mine are not any longer from this!!111
1454735;1461260349;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1454736;1461260355;mircea_popescu;you should, at least in fucking principle, get infinitely better results by just picking all the easy fruits and normalizing everyone's head to fucking semblance of sanity.
1454737;1461260364;asciilifeform;sometimes dun matter what you know or not.
1454738;1461260376;asciilifeform;as in the thread re biological process of 'i am not my mother!1111'
1454739;1461260393;mircea_popescu;well, fuck you. my teleomers lengthen by watching others shorten, just like my cock gets hard by watching women spend each other.
1454740;1461260432;asciilifeform;l0l
1454741;1461260455;mircea_popescu;agodami.
1454742;1461260487;deedbot;[Qntra] Phuctor Returns Vastly Improved - http://qntra.net/2016/04/phuctor-returns-vastly-improved/
1454743;1461260487;deedbot;[fr.anco.is] BitBet conclusion statement - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-conclusion-statement
1454744;1461260498;mircea_popescu;check out the news hub.
1454745;1461260603;mircea_popescu;oh there he is
1454746;1461260660;trinque;sorry about that guys. I left a tcpdump running to catch the SSL weird and filled my disk
1454747;1461260680;mircea_popescu;o.O
1454748;1461260698;mircea_popescu;this should be in the fucking bash lmao
1454749;1461260730;phf;!b 3
1454750;1461260731;gribble;Error: "b" is not a valid command.
1454751;1461260815;mircea_popescu;maybe the new bash works by searching for "fucking bash"
1454752;1461260883;asciilifeform;good nyooz is that all the !b's can be processed retroactively...
1454753;1461260889;phf;^
1454754;1461261329;BingoBoingo;And the $b's
1454755;1461262258;deedbot;[Trilema] But what about the slave ? - http://trilema.com/2016/but-what-about-the-slave/
1454756;1461264508;copumpkin;\o/
1454757;1461264518;copumpkin;"Your withdrawal request has been received and will be processed. Note that all withdrawals are verified manually, and they may take up to 48 hours for approval. If 48 hours have ellapsed and you still haven't received your bitcoins please contact mircea_popescu in #bitcoin-assets. Note that if your account at the time of processing holds fewer BTC than your withdrawal, this order will be executed up to that limit. Also, please
1454758;1461264518;copumpkin; consider rating mircea_popescu with gribble."
1454759;1461264529;copumpkin;1) "elapsed", not "ellapsed"
1454760;1461264534;copumpkin;2) outdated channel recommendation
1454761;1461264536;copumpkin;(this in on mpex)
1454762;1461264821;asciilifeform;l0l,vintage
1454763;1461265276;mircea_popescu;lol ty.
1454764;1461265294;mircea_popescu;gribble eh.
1454765;1461265438;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: also, as general good practice, it'd probably be good to include the address and amount of the withdrawal in the message, perhaps with a date. Currently the message is a constant, so the signature on it feels a little less valuable
1454766;1461265470;mircea_popescu;not so sure that is good practice, general or otherwise.
1454767;1461265550;copumpkin;there's no acknowledgment of the parameters of the withdrawal. For all I know you think I want a completely different amount, to a completely different address :P
1454768;1461265568;copumpkin;the only way I'll find out is by waiting 48 hours, at which point it'll be too late
1454769;1461265583;mircea_popescu;it'll be too late for what ? i have your signed slip, it's what it is.
1454770;1461265706;copumpkin;yes, but I have no receipt acknowledgment of that signed slip. You've just acknowledged getting some slip, and are not committing to any particular slip of mine. If you mess up your book-keeping, you might dig up an old signed slip of mine making a different request to a different address, and I'd have nothing to talk to you about until after it was too late
1454771;1461265763;mircea_popescu;a) "too late" for what ; b) if there's an old slip of yours, it either has an address that was paid in it or not. if it does, then it doens't matter ; if it doesn't, you have a claim.
1454772;1461265804;copumpkin;a) the coins have already been sent to the wrong place. Perhaps I'm not "liable" and have a claim, but it's adding inefficiency to the system if you have to cover for a mistake which could've been avoided in the first place
1454773;1461265812;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "the coins"
1454774;1461265860;mircea_popescu;and there's no inefficiency in the system as it is, for it is simple. the inefficiency begins once you expect to have a 2nd "superior" channel on top of the slips. which will then have to be managed.
1454775;1461265915;*;copumpkin sighs
1454776;1461266129;copumpkin;all I'm saying is that with today's system, I have no cryptographic paper trail that you've actually received the commands I expect you to have received
1454777;1461266179;copumpkin;your gpg-centric system could give me that by simply signing a fingerprint of my commands
1454778;1461266201;copumpkin;I could then store those signatures and chew you out publicly in the case of a dispute
1454779;1461266221;copumpkin;"look, mircea said he received my sell order, but now he's claiming he didn't"
1454780;1461266222;mircea_popescu;you can do the same as it is.
1454781;1461266266;mircea_popescu;there's degrees there. the guarantee you're offered is that you won't be losing your balance ; not that you won't have orders lost.
1454782;1461266277;mircea_popescu;that part is best-effort.
1454783;1461266321;copumpkin;that's fine. But signing my slips still gives me a verifiable paper trail of the things I attempted to have you do, whether or not you guarantee doing them. It gives me an avenue to claim that you've at least seen and acknowledged an order, even if execution is best-effort
1454784;1461266359;copumpkin;oh well
1454785;1461266362;mircea_popescu;that's fine, but not how it works.
1454786;1461266380;mircea_popescu;this "that's fine" device, lolz. what's it supposed to accomplish ? you can't set aside what i say.
1454787;1461266397;copumpkin;I'm not setting it aside
1454788;1461266405;copumpkin;I'm saying that it's fine if you don't honor a sell order of mine
1454789;1461266414;copumpkin;if you don't honor a withdrawal, that's different
1454790;1461266427;copumpkin;"but I never received it", he says on public form
1454791;1461266431;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as you get your stat signed and timestamped, you should be fine.
1454792;1461266442;mircea_popescu;well, he says that once. what next ?
1454793;1461266445;copumpkin;you can keep claiming you never received my withdrawal request
1454794;1461266453;mircea_popescu;i guess i could.
1454795;1461266454;copumpkin;I'll keep sneding them
1454796;1461266457;copumpkin;you send me a generic reply
1454797;1461266460;copumpkin;I have a signed generic reply
1454798;1461266465;copumpkin;I also have a signed STAT output
1454799;1461266470;mircea_popescu;there's all sorts of things i ~could~ do.
1454800;1461266479;copumpkin;so I claim on reddit that I have a balance, and you keep claiming that you never get my orders
1454801;1461266493;mircea_popescu;it's unlikely i'd claim anything on reddit.
1454802;1461266498;copumpkin;you know what I mean
1454803;1461266516;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, reddit/bitcoin apparently mass-downvoting the story of bitbet NOT being a scam ?
1454804;1461266519;mircea_popescu;such community.
1454805;1461266525;mircea_popescu;copumpkin i don't, no.
1454806;1461266539;copumpkin;in some sort of suitable public shaming forum, like this one
1454807;1461266541;copumpkin;I'd go say "yo mircea, where's my fucking money"
1454808;1461266549;copumpkin;the folks in here support you by default
1454809;1461266550;mircea_popescu;and i say i dunno dude, never got it.
1454810;1461266569;copumpkin;before they accept my claims that you're being dishonest, they'll want proof that I actually asked you for money
1454811;1461266583;mircea_popescu;and so we go through this a coupla times and then i go you know what, just register a deed already, this is getting ridiculous
1454812;1461266585;mircea_popescu;as a forinstance.
1454813;1461266609;copumpkin;or I could just present a signed slip
1454814;1461266614;copumpkin;signed by both of us
1454815;1461266619;copumpkin;and then we'd shut up and move on
1454816;1461266637;mircea_popescu;except that slip can be held against you everywhere.
1454817;1461266649;mircea_popescu;such as for instance in divorce proceedings, or whatever the fuck.
1454818;1461266660;mircea_popescu;mpex is made to serve a certain view on this world, not all possible views.
1454819;1461266666;mircea_popescu;all possible views that don't conform can take a hike.
1454820;1461266678;copumpkin;sorry, you lost me there
1454821;1461266682;copumpkin;you already have something signed by me
1454822;1461266686;mircea_popescu;I DO.
1454823;1461266692;copumpkin;if my estranged wife goes to you and asks for it
1454824;1461266707;copumpkin;that can still be held against me in divorce proceedings as evidence
1454825;1461266736;mircea_popescu;;;google daphna waxman
1454826;1461266737;gribble;SEC Knocks on MPEx's Door, Popescu Doesn't Budge | Finance ...: ; SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon - Washington Post: ; SEC.gov | SEC Charges Three (1 more message)
1454827;1461266755;mircea_popescu;you can sign any amount of withdrawals you want for any arbitrary funds you don't have. it proves exactly nothing.
1454828;1461266779;copumpkin;but you've already signed my STAT output
1454829;1461266793;copumpkin;why is it any different to sign my slip asking for a subset of that?
1454830;1461266823;mircea_popescu;the stat is a single item. these are separable for reasons.
1454831;1461266836;mircea_popescu;nobody asked you to do your stat process in the same way you do other processes.
1454832;1461267577;asciilifeform;unrelated lulz: https://geektimes.ru/post/274562 << old suspicions of bicyclist racers with hidden motors finally proven.
1454833;1461267597;mircea_popescu;hidden magnets ?
1454834;1461267630;asciilifeform;electric motor.
1454835;1461267642;asciilifeform;sorta like what is found in fancy bikes from jp
1454836;1461267650;asciilifeform;supercap charges when going downhill
1454837;1461267654;asciilifeform;discharges into motor - uphill.
1454838;1461267666;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re lafond's article - iirc you can buy surplus cruisers ; as well as various knick-knacks like body armor from afficionado stores (here they're called cotillon stores).
1454839;1461267678;mircea_popescu;it's not illegal until you actually try to make an arrest or somesuch.
1454840;1461267691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda hard to hide that no ?
1454841;1461267714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read the piece. some italian finally managed to miniaturize the thing into the frame
1454842;1461267725;mircea_popescu;but even so it needs a drive ?
1454843;1461267739;asciilifeform;thin shaft into the gears, yes
1454844;1461267753;asciilifeform;or roller, against wheel
1454845;1461267754;mircea_popescu;aa
1454846;1461267755;asciilifeform;several ways to do it
1454847;1461267763;mircea_popescu;roller is observable tho
1454848;1461267778;asciilifeform;possibly even something involving a pulsed magnet near the gear tooth.
1454849;1461267787;asciilifeform;i can think of a few tricks that won't be immediately apparent.
1454850;1461267789;mircea_popescu;i'd have thought nicely made wheel out of paramagnetic alloy ; then vary a field.
1454851;1461267792;asciilifeform;aha
1454852;1461267799;mircea_popescu;what i was hoping for.
1454853;1461267812;mircea_popescu;strip vertical and horizontal bits, as it were.
1454854;1461267833;mircea_popescu;not even so expensive, given that iron is crazy like that.
1454855;1461267890;asciilifeform;actually aluminum disk will turn if embedded halfway into a 60hz field
1454856;1461267892;asciilifeform;lenz's law.
1454857;1461267916;mircea_popescu;also. prolly better huh.
1454858;1461267916;asciilifeform;still works, albeit less efficient, if less than halfway in.
1454859;1461267938;mircea_popescu;of course i wasn't thinking of pig iron, rather, one of the fiberglass / ceramic sorta things with high magnetic dust included.
1454860;1461267944;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, asciilifeform is very very near to an escape from butugychag.
1454861;1461267948;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1454862;1461267950;asciilifeform;aha.
1454863;1461267996;asciilifeform;good, ol'-fashioned malware stuff. if the deal pans out.
1454864;1461268079;ben_vulpes;what gulag name will you use for this gig?
1454865;1461268085;mircea_popescu;"D
1454866;1461268096;mircea_popescu;this fox is wise beyond its years ?
1454867;1461268131;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: myhouseschwitz
1454868;1461268157;ben_vulpes;hyuuuu
1454869;1461268183;mircea_popescu;the occurence of things that can't happen always takes place in april.
1454870;1461268219;asciilifeform;what miracles did we see last april ?
1454871;1461268249;mircea_popescu;a year ago is too far for memory to reach
1454872;1461268273;asciilifeform;l0l
1454873;1461268470;BingoBoingo;;;google april in bitcoin 2015
1454874;1461268470;gribble;Predict the price of Bitcoin on 1 April 2015 - win CGB's ...: ; Inside Bitcoins New York: ; Inside Bitcoins New York:
1454875;1461270014;midnightmagic;fascinating.
1454876;1461270123;midnightmagic;Where *would* the trail be in the event a court were seeking assets.
1454877;1461270184;midnightmagic;MPEX would have to cooperate absent signed receipts sent to the user.
1454878;1461270202;midnightmagic;(In order for the hypothetical discovery to successfully take place, I mean.)
1454879;1461270687;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: prolly why mircea_popescu specifically does not spit out such receips, i thought this was clear from the thread
1454880;1461270720;asciilifeform;why hand out crosses to users for usg to nail them to.
1454881;1461270827;asciilifeform;incidentally if mircea_popescu really needed to solve this 'problem', he easily could, in cryptography world this is known as 'otr protocol', you encipher to a public key generated for the occasion, and the private key for it is later thrown to the wind for hypothetically anyone to know
1454882;1461270852;asciilifeform;so the non-repudiatability of the message only lasts for as long as the two parties wish, and no longer.
1454883;1461270906;asciilifeform;so until time T, recipient ~knows~ that message could only have been sent by mircea_popescu, but at time T+e it could-have-been-from-anyone as far as the confiscator, who finds the records, is concerned.
1454884;1461271878;mircea_popescu;it becomes complex and thus prone to failure.
1454885;1461271919;mircea_popescu;mpex is very carefully designed with various such tradeoffs considered, an' i think i've done enough free consulting on the topic for one day.
1454886;1461271935;mircea_popescu;heck, jpm can barely afford it by the hour.
1454887;1461272068;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic the only legal proceeding contemplated will go on here. anyone seeking justice in the new world must have a wot presence.
1454888;1461272072;mircea_popescu;the rest - not people.
1454889;1461272538;midnightmagic;I *think* the OTR protocol uses a revealed MAC between the parties *but more crucially, a stream cipher for malleable encryption* so that at explicit termination of the conversation neither party can claim later that the other one definitely wrote something specific in the log of each. The deniable authentication protocol therein doesn't reveal it to the public -- only to the other party. Publically
1454890;1461272544;midnightmagic; revealing the key would break the forward secrecy. But I know what you mean. Still, as described all an eavesdropper would have to do to fairly strongly prove the authenticity of the message is stamp it and assert that there's no evidence the pubkey was revealed before then. That is, a third-party passively listening to the conversation with self-assured reliability could watch it happen, then obse
1454891;1461272550;midnightmagic;rve the pubkey was revealed, and itself could assert that the one happened before the other. The difference is subtle. In OTR the keys involved are supposed to be shredded at termination of the conversation. copumpkin here is looking specifically for non-repudiability post-hoc which neither OTR nor your described scheme could give him.
1454892;1461272824;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: the idiot complications of usgtronic otr protocols are irrelevant.
1454893;1461272829;asciilifeform;i described the basic essence
1454894;1461272840;asciilifeform;i.e. the session key being revealed.
1454895;1461272940;asciilifeform;as for 'non-repudiability post-hoc', see the epic gossipd thread in the logz.
1454896;1461272945;asciilifeform;you can't have 'fried ice'
1454897;1461272949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform while it's true that the otr as implemented for say irc is dubious at best, his point remains :
1454898;1461272957;mircea_popescu;a passive observer could certify.
1454899;1461273008;asciilifeform;depends how the disposable key is revealed, and where.
1454900;1461273021;mircea_popescu;how would it depend on that ?
1454901;1461273027;midnightmagic;On the other hand, this way copumpkin -- I think -- can state things about the transaction that can't be known and nobody can say different. And MP for that matter, which reduces the transaction to trust.
1454902;1461273061;midnightmagic;"I warrant I will do this when you ask." "I'm asking."
1454903;1461273075;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic the chief problem here is that time has gone by and left copumpkin behind. he's still in this lulzy 2012 where bitcoin was a geek thing and the fashion of believing "technology will supplant humans" went unchallenged, in their own circles.
1454904;1461273084;mircea_popescu;it's dead and buried by now, under a pile of ridicule.
1454905;1461273102;midnightmagic;copumpkin is pretty realistic about things I think. :)
1454906;1461273114;mircea_popescu;not this one.
1454907;1461273127;mircea_popescu;this particular fashion is more antiquated than disco.
1454908;1461273168;mircea_popescu;occasionally reared its head around bitbet, "oh, you should do it so -and -so provably". met with the universal "fuck you, there's no way out of trust." which, obviously, instructed those who it instructed and washed off the rest.
1454909;1461273245;*;midnightmagic re-reads and missed something
1454910;1461273248;midnightmagic;yay I'm a person
1454911;1461273278;mircea_popescu;tech is a tool. yes, there are very good places where making things work by the cold equations makes sense.
1454912;1461273292;mircea_popescu;this is neither universally the solution, nor any sort of mystical geek messiah.
1454913;1461273310;mircea_popescu;(news at 11, you'll still have to talk to people, ipad or no ipad.)
1454914;1461273327;midnightmagic;I could see that sort of thing (non-repudiability) being useful for something like an exchange which operates under some kind of public law.
1454915;1461273327;copumpkin;not sure I ever claimed otherwise :)
1454916;1461273333;copumpkin;but feel free to demolish that argument I never made
1454917;1461273344;mircea_popescu;copumpkin excuse me while i strawman you into a convenient position for the benefit of the kids.
1454918;1461273354;copumpkin;no problem, I'm eating popcorn
1454919;1461273362;*;copumpkin sits off to the side
1454920;1461273405;midnightmagic;Mm. That reminds me, gotta make some coffee.
1454921;1461273420;mircea_popescu;i already had my sammich, doing a review of wild things, of all things. anyone saw it ?
1454922;1461273430;mircea_popescu;~ denise richards' tits.
1454923;1461273449;punkman;they even had sequels iirc
1454924;1461273545;mircea_popescu;the tits ?
1454925;1461273572;asciilifeform;re the 'trust and machines' thread,
1454926;1461273581;mircea_popescu;apparently, i'm discovering, this is an entire market vertical, "young women + illegal sex". usually school setting, always some sort of lawsuit as to rape, corruption, what have you.
1454927;1461273584;asciilifeform;didn't we do this way back when, when i wrote the mpex review
1454928;1461273593;asciilifeform;specifically mircea_popescu's reply to same
1454929;1461273595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibru.
1454930;1461273653;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-discuss-datskovskiys-discussion-of-mpex << it
1454931;1461273664;mircea_popescu;aha
1454932;1461273715;midnightmagic;fwiw, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another. If I went into it knowing this were the case, I could find it very useful to have this property in my transactions with, say MPEX. But for, say, a *deposit address* on a webpage for an exchange, I *would* want non-repudiability as per, say, TLS message authentication extension in RFC .. hrm. That RFC where it's defined but was never implemen
1454933;1461273721;midnightmagic;ted, to prove "hey, this is the address they gave me, now they're saying they didn't receive anything but look at this txid."
1454934;1461273795;midnightmagic;The payment protocol thingy Gavin did *can have* also the property of saving signed invoices for the client including such information but nobody cares and there hasn't been a high-profile use of the PP where a dispute ensued.
1454935;1461273827;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic you get that.
1454936;1461273883;mircea_popescu;mpex being, today as it was when it got started, exactly the ONLY bitcoin service doing this.
1454937;1461273891;mircea_popescu;everyone else is "well this is what we print on the screen" and that's that.
1454938;1461273910;mircea_popescu;somehow, nobody has found it their life's mission to badger everyone into the dust for this, however.
1454939;1461273914;mircea_popescu;inexplicably enough.
1454940;1461273954;mircea_popescu;and for that matter i've yet to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don't gpg sign the address"
1454941;1461273967;mircea_popescu;as long as there's boost, everyone's happy.
1454942;1461274002;asciilifeform;i'm willing to believe that there are other pgptronic businesses, 'other mpexes', but strictly on the same basis as 'life on other planets', i have no knowledge of it
1454943;1461274016;asciilifeform;just as i would never know about mpex if mircea_popescu had not awakened me from my cave.
1454944;1461274020;mircea_popescu;fine, only publicly known
1454945;1461274071;midnightmagic;I think I'm one of.. perhaps two people requesting it or trying to do something about it. We never know we need that sort of thing until one day we do.
1454946;1461274085;midnightmagic;(That I know of.) Oh Well.
1454947;1461274097;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1454948;1461274162;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454940 << thing is, and see today's earlier thread in fact, pgp per se does not magic away the 'give me a place to stand on' problem
1454949;1461274162;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 21:25 mircea_popescu: and for that matter i've yet to hear someone go "i'm not sending anything to derpy webwallet / webexchange / webusgtronism because htey don't gpg sign the address"
1454950;1461274174;asciilifeform;still need a hard point of trust to know the genuine public key
1454951;1461274184;asciilifeform;'do business with keys' (tm) (r)
1454952;1461274220;mircea_popescu;for preservation of lulz : http://archive.is/Wnjm2
1454953;1461274253;asciilifeform;l0lz
1454954;1461274257;asciilifeform;deleted already ?
1454955;1461274268;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1454956;1461274284;mircea_popescu;worst day in teh history of reddit, when it turns out that service closure WASNT scam.
1454957;1461274553;phf;i suspect snr on reddit is so low the event is not even going to be perceived as something that requires a cover up on such articulated terms. the burying is something in the range between "confederate flag? downvote." and "mircea? something not scam? downvote."
1454958;1461274563;deedbot;[Trilema] Wild Things - http://trilema.com/2016/wild-things/
1454959;1461274634;mircea_popescu;phf ofcourse, but the lulz of "community"
1454960;1461274639;mircea_popescu;the community of what ?
1454961;1461274641;mircea_popescu;OF BITCOIN!!!
1454962;1461274642;mircea_popescu;orly.
1454963;1461274743;mircea_popescu;phf if you peruse the thing it's obvious where it's at, the 10 dollars or less bin.
1454964;1461274774;asciilifeform;i have nfi why anyone here even bothers with reddit today.
1454965;1461274788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kids gotta go somewhere. they're not allowed almost anywhere else.
1454966;1461274794;asciilifeform;~as interesting as talking to pigeons.
1454967;1461274827;mircea_popescu;notably, they're not allowed here.
1454968;1461274849;asciilifeform;waiwut
1454969;1461274850;asciilifeform;how's that
1454970;1461274867;asciilifeform;iirc, e.g., gabriel_laddel, is a young fella
1454971;1461275029;mircea_popescu;kids is a combo of iq and yo.
1454972;1461275077;asciilifeform;ah if in that sense, there are 60 y.o. 'kids' and why do we need them.
1454973;1461275300;mircea_popescu;well... reddit'll have them, and what are they to do. let the internet age pass them by ? miss out on the informational superhighway ?
1454974;1461275321;mircea_popescu;are they not people ? if you fuck them in the ass do they not bleed ?
1454975;1461276493;mod6;oooh, i heard about that 'information superhighway thingy'. they say we'll all be doing everything in 'Virtual Reality' in a few years.
1454976;1461276511;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454964 <<< well it is a source of popcorn drama and qntra lulz
1454977;1461276511;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 21:39 asciilifeform: i have nfi why anyone here even bothers with reddit today.
1454978;1461276647;mircea_popescu;lol
1454979;1461277684;deedbot;[Trilema] The Next Generation - http://trilema.com/2016/the-next-generation/
1454980;1461277953;mats;http://dpaste.com/3B5PH7B
1454981;1461278040;mats;too bad I moved, no poop for you
1454982;1461278336;mircea_popescu;wtf is this lmao
1454983;1461278379;mircea_popescu;check it out, fmt provider. they sell the shit you give them for free ?!
1454984;1461278400;mircea_popescu;at least the cows get a quarter per gallon for the milk the supermarket sells at a dollar a liter.
1454985;1461278414;mircea_popescu;well, after they dilute it 4:1, of course.
1454986;1461278417;asciilifeform;it's london 1600s all over again.
1454987;1461278437;mircea_popescu;nm apparently they pay
1454988;1461278460;mats;lol
1454989;1461278488;shinohai;dafuq mats O.o
1454990;1461278512;mircea_popescu;til mats pw:rn is allbut einstein
1454991;1461278598;mats;i have desirable poo
1454992;1461278637;shinohai;iirc the Romans taxed urine traders, but did not know there was a thriving stool market.
1454993;1461278686;mats;i was unemployed for a few months last year and i looked into donating bodily excretions, ie, poo, blood, semen
1454994;1461278720;shinohai;TIL
1454995;1461278723;mats;the blood thing worked out handily but i never got anything better than food gift cards and free cookies, juice
1454996;1461278749;mats;semen didn't work out so gud since i was unemployed and, you know, not-white, not-six-foot, etc
1454997;1461278822;mircea_popescu;i thought everyone wants azn semen
1454998;1461278834;mircea_popescu;on the grounds that penis too small to get in normal way anyway
1454999;1461278862;mats;rude
1455000;1461278942;mats;i liked you better when you were busy hating yourself
1455001;1461278949;mats;anglos go rite to hell, etc
1455002;1461279183;shinohai;hey
1455003;1461279899;mats;hy
1455004;1461280274;ben_vulpes;one thing i know to be true in this world
1455005;1461280294;ben_vulpes;and that is that if someone claims a software library to be "minimalist" or "easy", they are lying through their goddamn teeth
1455006;1461280317;shinohai;>minimalist
1455007;1461280322;shinohai;>written in java
1455008;1461280323;ben_vulpes;"minimalist" means "i made an epic shitton of assumptions and then laid down a zillion lines of code in support of those assumptions"
1455009;1461280342;ben_vulpes;"easy" means "this shit is so complex it will take you a month to realize that it never worked in the first place"
1455010;1461280381;ben_vulpes;shinohai: i don't know on what basis you think this is relevant to any particular programming language
1455011;1461280404;ben_vulpes;eg common lisp has grown a decent tumor of the shit lately
1455012;1461280417;ben_vulpes;lately being, oh, my entire tenure on earth
1455013;1461280584;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will take you a month to realize that it never worked in the first place" << lol
1455014;1461280727;shinohai;It probably isn't ben_vulpes just the first language that came to mind.
1455015;1461282499;trinque;ben_vulpes: yes but.. is it intuitive?
1455016;1461284256;phf;ben_vulpes: to be fair common lisp tumor is mainly perceptible only to a special kind of basket cases. it is still one of the healthier ecosystems.
1455017;1461285364;asciilifeform;phf: the emacs tumour (see logz, the 'flycheck' thread) is what really blew my mind
1455018;1461285380;asciilifeform;traditionally, the populist chickenbrains folks avoided emacs like plague
1455019;1461285402;asciilifeform;but then somebody realized that it was next on the 'embrace & extinguish' chopping block, and the 'flychecks' appeared.
1455020;1461285444;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1376329
1455021;1461285444;a111;Logged on 2016-01-19 04:28 phf: asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"!
1455022;1461285461;asciilifeform;there is apparently nothing more alluring to the vermin than a not-yet-verminized ecosystem
1455023;1461285478;asciilifeform;it is like crack cocaine, to them.
1455024;1461285610;asciilifeform;common lisp verminization will proceed on the same schedule as the emacs one, i imagine
1455025;1461285621;phf;although i wonder where you should start the emacs tumour countdown, sometime around MULE
1455026;1461285649;asciilifeform;e.g., in a few years a n00b looking for 'web server' will find ten qeergendered flycheckesque atrocities and - if he is very very lucky - one 'hunchentoot' in a state of disrepair
1455027;1461285658;asciilifeform;phf: definitely mule
1455028;1461285702;asciilifeform;the case of flycheck was especially instructive because, near as i could tell, the thing provided ZERO advantage over flymake
1455029;1461285705;asciilifeform;of any kind whatsoever
1455030;1461285713;asciilifeform;it was a shit sandwich ANY WAY YOU CUT IT
1455031;1461285728;asciilifeform;and yet if you go ~anywhere you will read 'flymake is OBSOLETE!1111 use flycheck'
1455032;1461285730;phf;heh, it has "modern" right there in the title
1455033;1461285775;asciilifeform;then you try it and find that if you need custom compiler flags (or, satan forbid, a non-x86 gcc) you're SHIT out of luck
1455034;1461285788;asciilifeform;whereas flymake uses your own makefile, which can be ANYTHING.
1455035;1461285804;phf;well, emacs is not outside hostile to "obsolete". iswitchb-mode greets me with "this function is now obsolete" on each load. why? who the fuck knows.
1455036;1461285805;asciilifeform;but oh noez it already existed and predated the flies
1455037;1461285808;asciilifeform;so Must Die
1455038;1461285811;asciilifeform;according to flies.
1455039;1461285814;phf;*is now outright
1455040;1461285832;asciilifeform;phf: you gotta understand their modus operandi
1455041;1461285838;asciilifeform;they HAVE to break your working box.
1455042;1461285847;asciilifeform;or nobody in his right mind would consider their crapolade.
1455043;1461285865;asciilifeform;just as i would have never even known about 'flycheck' if i didn't come across a broken (since fixed, by hand) macos emacs.
1455044;1461285983;phf;oh i understand. it's like the cl mode. they've been fighting cl mode for years, without success, because it's hellof useful. not only has cl mode now been replaced with cl-lib which prefixes ~everything~ with cl- (cl-first, cl-defstruct, cl-fuck-your-mother) but they also disabled highlight of all the cl forms. so cl-defstruct highlights, defstruct doesn't. to discourage the sins of the flesh, y'see.
1455045;1461286055;phf;can still (require 'cl), and it will work, but discouraged from writing since there's no highlighting. next release using cl functions directly is going to produce deprecation warnings.
1455046;1461286063;asciilifeform;the only solution to this kind of shit is to BURN it out with HOT IRONS.
1455047;1461286123;phf;there's no solution to this kind of shit outside of "i use cmucl with emacs 19 and ilisp" or whatever, which is programmer's equivalent of mp's 2005 thinkpads
1455048;1461286159;phf;naggum tried to maintain his own versions of everything (i.e. burn it out with hot irons) and...
1455049;1461286164;asciilifeform;this is pretty much the only answer.
1455050;1461286173;asciilifeform;and yes, people try to dodge it because it requires work.
1455051;1461286180;asciilifeform;but there is not actually any escape from it.
1455052;1461286198;asciilifeform;once the gangrene sets in, you either freeze your toolchain or give up work.
1455053;1461286331;phf;heh, of course flycheck uses dash.el
1455054;1461286342;asciilifeform;and a buncha other turd also
1455055;1461286349;phf;it is like your experiment with depoeterring
1455056;1461286363;asciilifeform;hey that worked
1455057;1461286368;phf;"worked"
1455058;1461286382;asciilifeform;worked for ~everything minus a few proggies
1455059;1461286386;asciilifeform;(chromium, wireshark)
1455060;1461286537;phf;at the very least the demarcation lines become ~very~ obvious. it's either an old unix hand with one or two libs in dependency tree, or a modern monster that pulls 50 libraries and fails to install because of some poetterlib
1455061;1461286585;asciilifeform;this should surprise no one
1455062;1461286602;asciilifeform;just as, walking on the street, you meet men, and flies, but never a man-fly hybrid of questionable species
1455063;1461286621;asciilifeform;(outside of the mega-film)
1455064;1461286682;asciilifeform;and yeah, you will know the idiocies by their mile-long trails of 'pango', 'bonobo', and other strange deps
1455065;1461286687;phf;well, it reveals that core infrastructure is rotten, i assume "few proggies" is what's needed on your battlestation, because on a laptop i'm still for example missing power management tooling. even shell script based stuff depends on dbus or somesuch
1455066;1461286763;asciilifeform;at the heart of something like power management there is normally a 500-lines-of-c util that mostly worx, but surrounded for some reason by hairball of rubbish scriptolade
1455067;1461286780;asciilifeform;whosoever can be arsed, can try to strip it away.
1455068;1461286806;asciilifeform;if your stomach is strong, and little else to do (who?) can go, try.
1455069;1461286932;phf;right,puts you back in naggum territory
1455070;1461287036;asciilifeform;at any rate my gentoo-depoetteringizer does not magically fix the ecosystem, shat to all hell, no. but what it ~does~ do is to hard-nuke the autopullin crapolade and reveal who is your enemy and who is merely passive victim.
1455071;1461287052;asciilifeform;as in, what needs to be fixed, and what - burned with hot irons until not even wet spot remains.
1455072;1461287129;phf;who's going to do the burning
1455073;1461287138;asciilifeform;actually carrying the exercise to a usable-to-other-people, well-documented conclusion is somewhere Nth on the list of things i would do if i had mircea_popescuesque levels of free time
1455074;1461287154;asciilifeform;so there is ~no one to do the burning.
1455075;1461287160;asciilifeform;presently.
1455076;1461287225;trinque;you've argued too well for burning the thing down all the way to the hardware.
1455077;1461287229;trinque;why would anyone fix *nix?
1455078;1461287237;asciilifeform;thing is, someone will have to maintain the forked (and, in practice, re-write, most of them are quite nearly unmaintainable) proggies. there is not actually a substitute for, e.g., wireshark.
1455079;1461287257;asciilifeform;trinque: because nothing else is likely to exist in our lifetime ?
1455080;1461287376;phf;wireshark is a kind of IDA or intellij, can just have them running on your most-sane-dev-box-du-jour
1455081;1461287399;asciilifeform;phf: presently there is nothing else to do
1455082;1461287425;asciilifeform;ida is a particularly interesting case because it is a TOTAL monopoly
1455083;1461287437;asciilifeform;as in, nothing else even remotely approaches it.
1455084;1461287448;asciilifeform;i know of no even vaguely similar item elsewhere.
1455085;1461287475;asciilifeform;it is a collective-failure-of-everybody-but-one-guy - sorta like mpex.
1455086;1461287593;asciilifeform;it is precisely mircea_popescu's story about zeus throwing the other gods
1455087;1461287610;asciilifeform;a race where not only first place but places one through ten thousand went to a single winner.
1455088;1461287781;phf;i'm ok that there exists a superior tool that solves a class of problems. kind of like right now paying for intellij ensures that i can do a certain paid work in the most effective way available. perhaps if i have another interesting lisp project, i'll call alegro people again, etc.
1455089;1461287917;phf;i'm more concerned that there's very little ground left that's unpolluted on which i can build a house or possibly raise a barn with other people
1455090;1461287955;asciilifeform;the most concerning bit is the hardware extinction.
1455091;1461287960;asciilifeform;described here on many occasions.
1455092;1461287971;phf;right
1455093;1461288131;asciilifeform;it is especially concerning because the 'end times' situation, where usable computer hardware is expensive and you cannot rely on other folks having same one as you, etc. is actually how we ended up with the unix braindamage to begin with.
1455094;1461288138;asciilifeform;(how rms left the lisp world, think.)
1455095;1461288336;phf;end times situation is that there's not going to be usable hardware, because "nobody" needs it
1455096;1461288352;asciilifeform;well in practice the only usable hardware ALREADY is out of print.
1455097;1461288379;asciilifeform;(see thread re 'opteron' etc)
1455098;1461288391;phf;right, but on the meta level we're at the MULE point of cancer
1455099;1461288421;phf;naggums have a fit, for obvious reasons, but you can still keep on using that emacs, until "they come for me and noone's left"
1455100;1461288514;asciilifeform;this is why the sane fpga will have to be produced.
1455101;1461288525;phf;i.e. my cmucl runs on a clearly compromised intel cpu and can even do interesting things. imagine future(tm) where only way to run cmucl is by crosscompiling into x86 emulator inside your web browser ;]
1455102;1461288530;asciilifeform;it is the only thing approaching a general-purpose pill against the garbage.
1455103;1461288584;asciilifeform;it is worth elaborating re what 'sane' means in this case.
1455104;1461288609;asciilifeform;it means that 1) design is published and is likely to remain available, no reverse-engineered americrud plox
1455105;1461288625;asciilifeform;2) toolchain is not a closed x86 turd, and in fact can run on an arch implemented on SELFSAME CHIP itself.
1455106;1461288638;asciilifeform;this is a ~basic, necessary step~ to sanity of whatever any other kind.
1455107;1461288682;asciilifeform;(re: 1 - e.g., reversed xilinx 4000 series, is ~useless~, as you cannot buy it in any kind of qty)
1455108;1461288747;asciilifeform;phf: that 'future' is here already for iPnohe users, who have to run the js pc emulator in the browser to play gamez
1455109;1461288755;asciilifeform;if they want classic msdos gamez
1455110;1461288761;phf;right
1455111;1461289122;phf;standardize on 2010 hardware, buy n+1 replacements for all the parts, write program to talk to god
1455112;1461289149;asciilifeform;this is a computerized version of the traditional american 'survivalist' lunacy
1455113;1461289153;phf;:D
1455114;1461289164;asciilifeform;where you seal yourself into a cave with 10,000 cans of 'spam' and 100,000 rounds of kalash
1455115;1461289170;asciilifeform;and then ... .
1455116;1461289212;phf;i didn't realize it until you said it, and it's fucking hilarious, because i'd mock the strategy elsewhere
1455117;1461289290;asciilifeform;when romans sealed up a vestal virgin who had a fuck, they gave her a loaf of bread and a glass of milk
1455118;1461289304;asciilifeform;but when we do it in usa with 10,000 loaves it is called 'survival' somehow.
1455119;1461289330;trinque;this is why you wont find me maintaining ebuilds anytime soon, lol!
1455120;1461289333;asciilifeform;it is quite the same with 10,000 opteron cpu.
1455121;1461289359;asciilifeform;does anyone recall the jet fighter thread ?
1455122;1461289371;asciilifeform;where we talked about the junkyard in the airport in timisoara
1455123;1461289377;asciilifeform;consisting of a tall pile of MiGs
1455124;1461289394;asciilifeform;which had been cannibalized, largely, to feed their dozen or so working ones
1455125;1461289422;phf;(lisp machines)
1455126;1461289427;asciilifeform;aha.
1455127;1461289433;asciilifeform;i went to the house, where this was done
1455128;1461289436;asciilifeform;and had a machine made
1455129;1461289442;asciilifeform;it was quite like that airfield, yes.
1455130;1461289464;asciilifeform;i haven't switched the thing on in some years
1455131;1461289473;asciilifeform;because, among other reasons, if the disk dies, there is literally NO WAY to restore it
1455132;1461289480;asciilifeform;even if i find identical disk elsewhere
1455133;1461289496;asciilifeform;contents can only be loaded onto it from tape, and i have neither the tape, nor the tape drive !
1455134;1461289510;asciilifeform;(though schmidt did sell me an ~empty shell~ of a tape drive, in case i can ever locate the drive raw !)
1455135;1461289542;asciilifeform;the shell - before anyone asks - has the requisite cabling, ALSO unfindable.
1455136;1461289571;asciilifeform;this is what machine extinction is like
1455137;1461289578;asciilifeform;like to watch ww2 films ?
1455138;1461289595;asciilifeform;then you probably know that NONE of the tanks or planes appearing in ones made in past 40 or so yrs are genuine period.
1455139;1461289628;asciilifeform;real, e.g., 'zero' airplane, exists, in flying condition even somewhere, but do you think it will be wasted on a ~film~ ?!
1455140;1461289678;asciilifeform;i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk
1455141;1461289683;asciilifeform;gave up from lack of time.
1455142;1461289704;asciilifeform;st-506 incidentally.
1455143;1461289750;asciilifeform;wanted to not merely read the disk, but emulate
1455144;1461289763;asciilifeform;so i could get rid of the brick and replace with $1 sd card.
1455145;1461289768;phf;i know some folk who can restore 3620 drives, but's that's because that's what they do. i'll ask them what their solutions are at the moment
1455146;1461289782;asciilifeform;the man who did it for a living, had no solution.
1455147;1461289793;asciilifeform;other than a tall (shrinking, as i understand, today - to nothing) pile of drives.
1455148;1461289806;asciilifeform;some outfit in texas makes an emulator gadget, it costs 4 figures.
1455149;1461289817;asciilifeform;i have nfi how well it worx.
1455150;1461289843;asciilifeform;used, as i understand, in critical infrastructure which runs on 1980s minis.
1455151;1461289891;asciilifeform;at any rate, all of these problems are solvable IF SOMEONE CARED TO
1455152;1461289900;asciilifeform;the protocol was documented, i sat down, started doing it
1455153;1461289903;asciilifeform;it is all brute labour
1455154;1461289915;asciilifeform;would have ended up with a result, too, if 'life had not gotten in the way'
1455155;1461289930;phf;well the man who (still) does it for living is not necessarily the ultimate authority, he just does what he needs to do to get those mil contracts cashing in
1455156;1461289933;asciilifeform;recall the pdp emulator thread ?
1455157;1461289989;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222211
1455158;1461289989;a111;Logged on 2015-08-02 16:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that pdp emulator fella ?
1455159;1461289999;phf;oh yeah yeah, exactly
1455160;1461290152;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222246 << related.
1455161;1461290152;a111;Logged on 2015-08-02 16:50 kakobrekla: heh, re pdp, apparently http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/
1455162;1461290201;phf;some problems are probably better solvable than others, can perhaps build a st-506<->sd gadget in garage, can't do same with the cpu
1455163;1461290230;asciilifeform;it depends on what means 'cpu'
1455164;1461290239;asciilifeform;can build cpu for certain purposes out of 74xxx.
1455165;1461290244;asciilifeform;but not for, e.g., bitcoin.
1455166;1461290290;asciilifeform;but ok for, e.g., calculating dynamics of the tamper in hbomb.
1455167;1461290303;asciilifeform;or - at a stretch - pgp.
1455168;1461290388;asciilifeform;(this is mainly academic exercise, 74xxx do not grow on trees any more than 'opteron' does.)
1455169;1461290421;asciilifeform;for a while i got into the question of cupric oxide and other exotic semiconductor
1455170;1461290440;asciilifeform;with the aim of, ideally, finding a way to make integrated circuit in similar ways to how hobbyist can make pcb
1455171;1461290459;asciilifeform;(modified b&w photo process, or at least something not more complicated than doing colour photo at home)
1455172;1461290470;asciilifeform;but i did not - to date - get far.
1455173;1461290477;asciilifeform;made a sorta working cu diode.
1455174;1461290478;asciilifeform;that was it.
1455175;1461290521;asciilifeform;the most discouraging part is the utter lack of anybody giving half a tinker's damn.
1455176;1461290545;asciilifeform;(last i recall mircea_popescu gave somewhere close to 1/10th of a damn, he is to be commended for this)
1455177;1461290614;asciilifeform;it is even worth considering that one could, in principle, compute on something ~other than a semiconductor~
1455178;1461290629;asciilifeform;e.g., an optical delay line arranged in some clever way.
1455179;1461290662;phf;define giving a damn. most people would see something like that as a hobbyist project along the lines of building a cpu out of nand gates, but funding it as an militarized alternative to modern computing?
1455180;1461290690;asciilifeform;there was a whole world of approaches that people spent their lives on, before cheap semiconductor, and entirely forgotten now
1455181;1461290693;asciilifeform;e.g., magnetic logic
1455182;1461290697;asciilifeform;(see logz!)
1455183;1461290716;asciilifeform;phf: 'give a damn' in the serious financial sense.
1455184;1461290721;phf;right
1455185;1461290763;asciilifeform;as it stands, it has a good chunk of the difficulty of space colonization but with ~none of the 'sexappeal'
1455186;1461290769;asciilifeform;unenviable field to live in.
1455187;1461290803;asciilifeform;costs of chip fab as we know it, and of orbital launch, are even comparable.
1455188;1461290872;asciilifeform;and as it stands, 'hobbyist' semiconductor is roughly in the same place as hobbyist space travel.
1455189;1461290903;phf;spreading works
1455190;1461290908;asciilifeform;not even.
1455191;1461291013;asciilifeform;if i could make one thing, on a traditional si process, it would be an fpga.
1455192;1461291021;asciilifeform;the by far least idiotic item to make.
1455193;1461291041;asciilifeform;unfortunately it would have to be on a reasonably recent density, to be useful.
1455194;1461291065;phf;i'm very vague on the whole process, i'll have to read up on it
1455195;1461291074;asciilifeform;(fpga only became a seriously practical thing, really, in 2000s. you will find them from '90s but on MASSIVE boards with dozens of the same unit)
1455196;1461291111;asciilifeform;fpga also plays well with my 'specificity of diddling' theorem.
1455197;1461291128;asciilifeform;i.e. there is no effective way to subtly sabotage the thing if you do not know the victim's intended circuit layout.
1455198;1461291160;phf;for example i don't quite grok why can't press low density vlsi at home. seems like all or nothing kind of proposition.
1455199;1461291184;asciilifeform;phf: it again depends.
1455200;1461291191;asciilifeform;do you need to melt and refine the si ?
1455201;1461291195;asciilifeform;cut the wafer ?
1455202;1461291201;asciilifeform;chemically prepare the cut wafer ?
1455203;1461291206;asciilifeform;or did someone do all of this already
1455204;1461291218;asciilifeform;(in many modern plants, the things are purchased pre-prepped)
1455205;1461291242;asciilifeform;conceivably if you start with a sufficiently prepped product, you can 'vlsi at home'
1455206;1461291252;asciilifeform;but then the act is only scarcely different from using fpga.
1455207;1461291272;asciilifeform;you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting'
1455208;1461291285;phf;right
1455209;1461291303;phf;the jet plane problem
1455210;1461291308;asciilifeform;quite.
1455211;1461291371;asciilifeform;my take on it, is that if you are using some industrial product in this, it absolutely has to be something available in MASSIVE qty, readily
1455212;1461291395;asciilifeform;just as afghanis make kalash with hand tools, yes, but do not worry about getting ammo, it is gettable
1455213;1461291409;asciilifeform;(if they had to try to make ~it~ they would quickly fight with swords again)
1455214;1461291468;asciilifeform;analogously, the correct thing to make today would be not merely fpga,
1455215;1461291492;asciilifeform;but one where the physical package is brought out to a 'nuts and bolts' thing that you can screw into an aggregate, tiled, without making pcb
1455216;1461291514;asciilifeform;where 'computer' is simply this mass, of how many of these things you screwed together and attached dc power supply to.
1455217;1461291548;asciilifeform;picture 1,024 'cubes of computronium'
1455218;1461291571;asciilifeform;handily solves 'diddle' also - which cube will the enemy sabotage ? how does he know which one will hold what part of your circuit before you assemble them ?
1455219;1461291583;asciilifeform;even if enemy supplies ~all~ of the cubes.
1455220;1461291596;phf;"greenarrays"
1455221;1461291602;asciilifeform;aha but macroscale.
1455222;1461291610;asciilifeform;also 'greenarray' i will nitpick is not an fpga
1455223;1461291616;phf;right
1455224;1461291618;asciilifeform;but just a die with a number of conventional cpu.
1455225;1461291620;asciilifeform;(if small.)
1455226;1461291640;asciilifeform;fpga is also nice because, in principle, it can be optically inspected
1455227;1461291649;asciilifeform;(put a quartz glass window in it, like 1980s eproms)
1455228;1461291654;asciilifeform;structure is very regular.
1455229;1461291688;asciilifeform;thing consists largely of sram.
1455230;1461291721;asciilifeform;(modern vendors succumb to the temptation to put a great many special-purpose parts in fpga, e.g., multipliers, even whole cpu cores, etc. i am specifically not talking about their rubbish.)
1455231;1461291828;phf;so the idea is what drop $500k on an pure documented fpga, hope that maker crowd will help you recoup your costs, use fraction to run tmsr infrastructure? :)
1455232;1461291886;asciilifeform;it'd be quite a bit more than 500k
1455233;1461291894;asciilifeform;and i have no reasonable expectation that anyone could recoup the costs.
1455234;1461291898;asciilifeform;ergo it ain't happening.
1455235;1461292080;phf;so what's the advantage of fpga based architecture as opposed to someone hypothetically investing quite a bit more than 500k into a high density risc, etc.?
1455236;1461292093;asciilifeform;the advantage is that you keep the design space.
1455237;1461292113;asciilifeform;can run x86 proggies today, and have the option of proper lispm later
1455238;1461292132;asciilifeform;there is also the advantage i described earlier, re 'specificity of diddling'
1455239;1461292172;asciilifeform;the thing is that neither of these concerns really interests anybody who has a spare 500k
1455240;1461292184;asciilifeform;(again this number is missing several 0's, but for sake of argument.0
1455241;1461292186;asciilifeform;)
1455242;1461292436;phf;well, more like 8086 and cadr today and proper lispm maybe in the future if somebody designs one
1455243;1461292627;phf;ok, i'm going to sleep. this was an entertaining conversation, even if a recap of many past threads
1455244;1461292634;asciilifeform;it is not actually hard to massively improve on cadr, much of its gnarl was that it had to be made of 74xxx and of weird amd ALUs available at the time
1455245;1461292640;asciilifeform;'nigh phf
1455246;1461292642;asciilifeform;*night
1455247;1461292712;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/pXIE2y6.jpg
1455248;1461294539;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1455249;1461294543;gribble;Current Blocks: 408389 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 858 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 51 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1455250;1461295636;mircea_popescu;check out the alfwall.
1455251;1461295652;mircea_popescu;mats> anglos go rite to hell, etc << but i'm not anglo ?!
1455252;1461295816;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: All pale folk look alike apparently?
1455253;1461295870;mircea_popescu;he just hates me because i'm beautiful.
1455254;1461296352;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455022 << it's not JUST that, also needs another ingredient, a special flavour of "open". geek-open, when people aren't comfortable with humiliating idiots.
1455255;1461296352;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 00:37 asciilifeform: there is apparently nothing more alluring to the vermin than a not-yet-verminized ecosystem
1455256;1461296702;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455044 << i don't comprehend how this can even be a thing.
1455257;1461296702;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 00:46 phf: oh i understand. it's like the cl mode. they've been fighting cl mode for years, without success, because it's hellof useful. not only has cl mode now been replaced with cl-lib which prefixes ~everything~ with cl- (cl-first, cl-defstruct, cl-fuck-your-mother) but they also disabled highlight of all the cl forms. so cl-defstruct highlights, defstruct doesn't. to discourage the sins of the flesh, y'see.
1455258;1461296713;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked anybody, and why isn't this just some text config file somewhere.
1455259;1461296780;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455048 << i think naggum was an incredibly poorly managed project. i wouldn't think his experience informative, for anything
1455260;1461296780;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 00:49 phf: naggum tried to maintain his own versions of everything (i.e. burn it out with hot irons) and...
1455261;1461296796;asciilifeform;naggum fought alone.
1455262;1461296799;mircea_popescu;[yes, i've beaten tax authorities into the dirt on multiple occasions]
1455263;1461296812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mens insana.
1455264;1461296829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except you did not do it from the position of being a pauper.
1455265;1461296873;mircea_popescu;indeed not.
1455266;1461296879;asciilifeform;srsly you need a certain amount of mircea_popescutronium to 'jurisdiction shop', appear in court, etc.
1455267;1461296885;mircea_popescu;wouldn't advise anyone to try, either.
1455268;1461296909;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to try and run a marathon. it;s another thing to try and run a marathon with pneumonia.
1455269;1461297016;mircea_popescu;but in general - not that i expect this to be practically useful to anyone, as it isn't without the rest of the tools involved - the matter hinges on that fine thin line when liability can be personally attached. once you can start going after individuals rather than their precious "government" construct in the abstract, they pop like watermelons in august.
1455270;1461297089;asciilifeform;in usa, at least, 'individual' is more often than not sunk on the very day he has to so much as ~appear~ in court.
1455271;1461297101;asciilifeform;kiss job good-bye, etc.
1455272;1461297102;mircea_popescu;depends, it can be very productive.
1455273;1461297116;mircea_popescu;i've so far netted more money than the average us citizen's net worth out of simply selling cases.
1455274;1461297133;asciilifeform;just hiring lawyer for a week would wipe out ~99% of usaschwitz inmates
1455275;1461297153;asciilifeform;and yeah i recall, in logz, 'whichever hungry london barrister buys'
1455276;1461297165;mircea_popescu;in general, if you're not working with retained counsel, but have to purpose hire, you have no business going to court.
1455277;1461297174;mircea_popescu;diff jurisdiction, england.
1455278;1461297178;mircea_popescu;i meant us specifically.
1455279;1461297233;asciilifeform;but admit, this is 0 use to a naggum.
1455280;1461297236;mircea_popescu;this is how this works : if it is your field of expertise, you have legal team ready to go. either you're a complete imbecile, or woe be upon whoever gets involved. if not your field of expertise, you're either prosecuting in which case generally you want to assign the matter ; or else you're in deep shit.
1455281;1461297243;mircea_popescu;i admit, and admitted above.
1455282;1461297264;asciilifeform;so then. what should he have done against the tax inspectors.
1455283;1461297276;asciilifeform;the one option was, i suppose, to go stack.
1455284;1461297292;mircea_popescu;"what should man that discharged his rifle into his boat do ?"
1455285;1461297303;asciilifeform;pop 2nd round into his head
1455286;1461297304;asciilifeform;?
1455287;1461297316;mircea_popescu;"man should not discharge rifle into boat". who the fuck told him he can run a consulting business without a tax expert ? even accountant level.
1455288;1461297341;mircea_popescu;he decided to do this incredibly idiotic thing after which didn't want to pay the slap on the wrist penalty that attaches to doing incredibly idiotic thing ?
1455289;1461297346;asciilifeform;tax expert would have somehow settled the 80% norwegian tax, assessed ~based on profession~, rather than actual receipts, into something sane?!
1455290;1461297360;mircea_popescu;at the very least would have warned him 2 years in advance.
1455291;1461297363;asciilifeform;and it wasn't a slap on the wrist, it was - iirc - a pretty penny
1455292;1461297370;asciilifeform;i.e. what he 'could have earned'
1455293;1461297382;asciilifeform;(they would not believe that he preferred to work 2-3 mo./yr in actuality)
1455294;1461297389;mircea_popescu;the term "slap on the wrist" is a business call. it stands correct as it is. your "pretty penny" is a housewife call. it's not relevant how much it is.
1455295;1461297411;asciilifeform;it is relevant to the man who has to pay and hasn't with what
1455296;1461297420;asciilifeform;and from whom they then take whatever isn't bolted down
1455297;1461297428;mircea_popescu;how do you perceive what he did (hurr durr i'm going to be a business) is different from average tardstalk forumite (hurr durr i'm going to be an exchange) ?
1455298;1461297432;asciilifeform;granted, to mircea_popescu on mt olympus none of this is relevant
1455299;1461297453;mircea_popescu;point stands : if you aren't a businessman, and don't have business skills, why are you starting a business ?
1455300;1461297463;mircea_popescu;what if he started flying a plane without ever learning math ?
1455301;1461297486;mircea_popescu;"i didn't expect solid items to be where the atmosphere goes"
1455302;1461297488;mircea_popescu;"yeah well..."
1455303;1461297496;asciilifeform;and if he had learned..?
1455304;1461297512;asciilifeform;would have learned to not even try, and then what, spend life working for racal norsk ?
1455305;1461297518;mircea_popescu;aha.
1455306;1461297521;asciilifeform;it is precisely the 'overcivilized' thing
1455307;1461297531;asciilifeform;over here in usaschwitz folks learn to - yes, not even try
1455308;1461297541;mircea_popescu;look, the dilemma here isn't "either i be eunuch or else i go fight for odin as a berserker"
1455309;1461297563;asciilifeform;yes, an accountant could have - and probably did! tell naggum that he was fucked.
1455310;1461297568;asciilifeform;how much good this did ?
1455311;1461297579;asciilifeform;how was he to get ~unfucked~.
1455312;1461297580;mircea_popescu;could have told him WHAT fucking each path would hold in future!
1455313;1461297583;mircea_popescu;this is not to be taken lightly.
1455314;1461297621;mircea_popescu;do you understand this ? about a third of my mail EACH DAY is various people in various jurisdictions telling me "mr popescu how do we proceed in the following situation : X. A does so and so B does so and so [C, D , E]"
1455315;1461297647;asciilifeform;naturally.
1455316;1461297659;mircea_popescu;one can't exist without these people.
1455317;1461297660;asciilifeform;but this is interesting to mircea_popescu because he ~has~ the maneuvering space.
1455318;1461297681;asciilifeform;the c,d,e buttons are actually connected to something, for him.
1455319;1461297697;mircea_popescu;the notion that you're going to run a business, but not have counsel, not have tax and accounting support, not have etc etc is like you'll cook a meal for a wedding without stove or pots or pans.
1455320;1461297698;mircea_popescu;really ?
1455321;1461297715;asciilifeform;if you can't afford a pot, you will cook it on open hearth yes.
1455322;1461297719;asciilifeform;in a mud pit.
1455323;1461297725;asciilifeform;or eat raw.
1455324;1461297750;asciilifeform;why do you suppose people fuck goats?
1455325;1461297765;BingoBoingo;Goats are sluts?
1455326;1461297812;mircea_popescu;i always thought it was the eyes
1455327;1461297818;mircea_popescu;you ever took a good look in goat's eyes ?
1455328;1461297866;asciilifeform;naggum and stack were similar in that actually getting all of the support they were 'supposed to have to run business' would likely have ~wiped them out~ financially and still put them no farther away from statal rape
1455329;1461297873;trinque;bullshit.
1455330;1461297881;asciilifeform;trinque: ever hire lawyer ?
1455331;1461297885;asciilifeform;retain one ?
1455332;1461297887;trinque;yes?!
1455333;1461297891;asciilifeform;it was cheap ?
1455334;1461297900;mircea_popescu;you know you can generally get a basic package kinda similar to insurance.
1455335;1461297904;trinque;wtf is a business if you can't pay a few grand to a lawyer per month?
1455336;1461297906;asciilifeform;i had this, it was a joke
1455337;1461297910;mircea_popescu;it's workable for most entry level needs. gotta shop around a little.
1455338;1461297914;asciilifeform;trinque: a motherfucking consulting gig ??
1455339;1461297923;asciilifeform;where a few k/mo is your WHOLE RECEIPT ?
1455340;1461297936;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have to appreciate : in nature, there exists such a thing as a hole.
1455341;1461297939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again i had this, and it was a real laugh, read the fine print sometime.
1455342;1461297940;trinque;consult better?
1455343;1461297950;mircea_popescu;if you ever drove clutch you gotta understand this. you can not run car at ALL speeds and combos.
1455344;1461297955;asciilifeform;sure.
1455345;1461297956;mircea_popescu;some chokle the engine. some ruin the gearbox.
1455346;1461297968;mircea_popescu;there exists a hole in this "single derpy consultant business".
1455347;1461297975;asciilifeform;trinque: mighty fine answer. but you left out the broomstick.
1455348;1461297976;mircea_popescu;the ONLY way is for 2-3-5 to get together.
1455349;1461297996;mircea_popescu;there is nothing wrong with this - people do it all the time. venice was entirely built out of the fact that a boat took on average 3.5 merchants
1455350;1461297996;trinque;sorry, *there is a minimum expense involved in running a business and you can't get around that fact.
1455351;1461298009;trinque;and it is not margin above industry salary of one dude
1455352;1461298025;asciilifeform;trinque: i did not say it was a mega-promising career choice.
1455353;1461298035;mircea_popescu;actually, it is as presented an unfeasable one.
1455354;1461298036;asciilifeform;only that plenty of folks, incl. apparently the late naggum, lived in it.
1455355;1461298040;asciilifeform;until died.
1455356;1461298046;mircea_popescu;just like going to college to learn clowning.
1455357;1461298051;asciilifeform;like folks live in any other butugychag.
1455358;1461298058;mircea_popescu;hey, plenty of people get degrees in history of feminist theatre.
1455359;1461298096;asciilifeform;anyway i'm not convinced that ~anyone actually ~chooses~ to become a naggum
1455360;1461298103;asciilifeform;instead folks try to escape employmentschwitz
1455361;1461298104;asciilifeform;and end up there.
1455362;1461298128;asciilifeform;it is a kind of outer barbed wire they get stuck in and shot by the guards.
1455363;1461298148;mircea_popescu;and re the fine print... there's a lot of suckers and retail in there. last i went to the states, i got full insurance, from lloyds of london no less. for, if memory serves, #159.
1455364;1461298159;*;BingoBoingo was actually considering opening fiat business as a hedge next year. You just gotta look at businesses with lower minimum costs.
1455365;1461298167;mircea_popescu;yes, it was a nicety thrown in because shipping insurance deals. whatevs.
1455366;1461298182;mircea_popescu;locals fell over when saw. even at the time, my thing beat their 7k/year thing.
1455367;1461298209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was actually covered ?
1455368;1461298231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all hospital stays over one day.
1455369;1461298236;mircea_popescu;+ various trims.
1455370;1461298276;asciilifeform;neato.
1455371;1461298297;asciilifeform;of course, since banned (at least for usaschwitz inmates) by obummer.
1455372;1461298303;mircea_popescu;and by trims i mean a list. civil judgements for accidents, including hunting! included.
1455373;1461298346;mircea_popescu;if i tripped, fell, and set boston on fire it'd have probably paid.
1455374;1461298363;mats;i struggle to determine ethnic origins through facial features in p much all not-asian races
1455375;1461298366;asciilifeform;pretty neat but there is no way in hell it covers ~suing others~
1455376;1461298368;trinque;boston likes to drink; it could happen
1455377;1461298370;mats;guess imma racist
1455378;1461298394;BingoBoingo;If you want to start a fiat business your first expense isn't insurance it is a lawnmower.
1455379;1461298398;asciilifeform;nor can you insure against usg deciding that you owe $maxint in tax
1455380;1461298399;mircea_popescu;mats i'm kinda typical eastern european dude.
1455381;1461298413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o no, not at all.
1455382;1461298440;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can actually insure against the tax thing, yes. you just have to have a large enough operation.
1455383;1461298463;asciilifeform;if you're large enough you can 'insure' against anything short of asteroid.
1455384;1461298477;mircea_popescu;definitely can insure "any form of meteoric damage"
1455385;1461298485;asciilifeform;veeeeery useful to naggum suure.
1455386;1461298494;mircea_popescu;one of the lulziest dispute, birds went into plant air intake.
1455387;1461298505;mircea_popescu;insurance didn't want to pay, wtf it's not meteoric. "hey they came from the sky"
1455388;1461298511;mircea_popescu;eventually settled, took a coupla years.
1455389;1461298556;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you gonna run landscaping artistry gig ?
1455390;1461298600;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: considering mowing, gardening, and peripheral pest control.
1455391;1461298612;asciilifeform;wat's a peripheral pest ?
1455392;1461298615;BingoBoingo;But just floating the idea.
1455393;1461298628;mircea_popescu;anyway. asteroid one of the more beloved risks by insurers. rather rare, pretty decent auctuarial tables...
1455394;1461298631;mircea_popescu;much better than say cancer
1455395;1461298642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant dinosaur-wiping kind.
1455396;1461298647;asciilifeform;not pissant asteroid.
1455397;1461298652;mircea_popescu;oh, they will DEFINITELY insure that lol
1455398;1461298655;mircea_popescu;why the hell wouldn't they :D
1455399;1461298662;mircea_popescu;if it happens... you sue.
1455400;1461298670;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pest control at the home's periphery. Barrier treatment's etc. Pesticide applicator's license seens to have very low barrier to entry.
1455401;1461298671;asciilifeform;same reason every policy i ever took ruled out nuke war
1455402;1461298684;asciilifeform;apparently considered > 0 .
1455403;1461298697;mircea_popescu;i suspect that's part of propaganda ministry orders.
1455404;1461298705;asciilifeform;prolly.
1455405;1461298718;mircea_popescu;at any rate : no actuarial tables re that, you understand.
1455406;1461298727;mircea_popescu;insurance is very much a history-driven business
1455407;1461298730;BingoBoingo;Keeps Enclave from having to worry about Lloyd's paying out to the Great Khans
1455408;1461298741;trinque;+asciilifeform │ you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting' << this is the wrong strategy.
1455409;1461298758;trinque;become interesting, then attract allies that can help you get the rest of the supply chain you need!
1455410;1461298778;asciilifeform;trinque: good in theory, but be sure to invent parachute ~before~ thrown from window
1455411;1461298780;asciilifeform;and not after.
1455412;1461298794;mircea_popescu;put condom on before going into girl ?
1455413;1461298840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this brings to mind tales of african throwbacks who tried to use condom ~after the fact~ and genuinely believed, i'm told, that it will save them from syphilis/aids/etc
1455414;1461298853;mircea_popescu;oh incidentally, anyone read the next generation thing ?
1455415;1461298856;asciilifeform;me.
1455416;1461298861;mircea_popescu;any good ?
1455417;1461298865;trinque;me also. enjoyed it
1455418;1461298874;asciilifeform;quite good, i'd love moar.
1455419;1461298897;mircea_popescu;i laid down to sleep and instead had this vision of you know, dreamers fucking around on reddit while suspended in vats,
1455420;1461298914;mircea_popescu;while dudes with socket wrenches roam around the abandoned physical world looking for the better fucktoys in the goop.
1455421;1461298935;mircea_popescu;prolly should be a sf world.
1455422;1461298942;asciilifeform;sorta actual world already.
1455423;1461298948;mircea_popescu;if anyone feels like writing into/towards it we could have like one of those sf things.
1455424;1461298950;asciilifeform;and of course perennial favourite in sf.
1455425;1461298958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's a kinda usable/powerful metaphor to work on i thought
1455426;1461298972;*;mircea_popescu readily admits he's prolly the most sf-ignorant here.
1455427;1461299027;asciilifeform;incidentally, jp film 'animatrix' is palpably less, imho, retarded, than original american 'matrix'.
1455428;1461299034;asciilifeform;surprisingly.
1455429;1461299062;asciilifeform;(the latter being the ~only recent 'bubble men' trope film of any real fame)
1455430;1461299078;mircea_popescu;yeah somehow this never got anywhere. weird huh.
1455431;1461299079;trinque;certainly an immediate - and bleak - visual for the infantile urge to return to the womb
1455432;1461299095;asciilifeform;trinque: see also orwell's 'whale'
1455433;1461299110;trinque;k
1455434;1461299117;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah. and very defensible, too. in principle you could readily sit in there and design robots to protect you even today.
1455435;1461299125;mircea_popescu;and by the way things work - hey, 99% safe!
1455436;1461299135;asciilifeform;'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yourself and
1455437;1461299135;asciilifeform; reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never notice the dif
1455438;1461299136;asciilifeform;ference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.'
1455439;1461299137;mircea_popescu;by defensible i mean, in terms of fiction.
1455440;1461299178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he clearly didn't like physics in school.
1455441;1461299183;mircea_popescu;a mile deep, you'll feel it alright.
1455442;1461299190;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1455443;1461299340;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455052 << this is actually the truth.
1455444;1461299340;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 00:49 asciilifeform: once the gangrene sets in, you either freeze your toolchain or give up work.
1455445;1461299432;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455072 << republic, eventually, hopefully.
1455446;1461299432;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 01:05 phf: who's going to do the burning
1455447;1461299581;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455101 << i have a difficult to explain and perhaps dubious proof as to why this imagined future is not a possible future.
1455448;1461299581;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 01:28 phf: i.e. my cmucl runs on a clearly compromised intel cpu and can even do interesting things. imagine future(tm) where only way to run cmucl is by crosscompiling into x86 emulator inside your web browser ;]
1455449;1461299600;asciilifeform;same reason not so many folks running the lispm emulator now.
1455450;1461299615;asciilifeform;(you somehow gotta wind up ~wanting to~ and knowing-it-exists etc)
1455451;1461299654;asciilifeform;orwell actually had a bit re this:
1455452;1461299657;asciilifeform;'The fallacy is to believe that under a dictatorial government you can be free inside. Quite a number of people console themselves with this thought, now that totalitarianism in one form or another is visibly on the up-grade in every part of the world. Out in the street the loudspeakers bellow, the flags flutter from the rooftops, the police with their tommy-guns prowl to and fro, the face of the Leader, four feet wide, glares from e
1455453;1461299657;asciilifeform;very hoarding; but up in the attics the secret enemies of the regime can record their thoughts in perfect freedom -- that is the idea, more or less. And many people are under the impression that this is going on now in Germany and other dictatorial countries.
1455454;1461299664;asciilifeform;Why is this idea false? I pass over the fact that modern dictatorships don't, in fact, leave the loopholes that the old-fashioned despotisms did; and also the probable weakening of the desire for intellectual liberty owing to totalitarian methods of education. The greatest mistake is to imagine that the human being is an autonomous individual. The secret freedom which you can supposedly enjoy under a despotic government is nonsense,
1455455;1461299664;asciilifeform;because your thoughts are never entirely your own. Philosophers, writers, artists, even scientists, not only need encouragement and an audience, they need constant stimulation from other people. It is almost impossible to think without talking. If Defoe had really lived on a desert island, he could not have written Robinson Crusoe, nor would he have wanted to. Take away freedom of speech, and the creative faculties dry up. Had the Ge
1455456;1461299667;asciilifeform;rmans really got to England my acquaintance of the Cafe Royal would soon have found his painting deteriorating, even if the Gestapo had let him alone. And when the lid is taken off Europe, I believe one of the things that will surprise us will be to find how little worthwhile writing of any kind -- even such things as diaries, for instance -- has been produced in secret under the dictators.'
1455457;1461299676;asciilifeform;^ posted here for the record, apologies for the ~2kb.
1455458;1461299750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't credit his "man needs the herd" nonsense worth halfpence.
1455459;1461299762;asciilifeform;if cut this way - sure.
1455460;1461299764;trinque;if this were true how could it ever change
1455461;1461299787;mircea_popescu;so blair would like an audience. fine. good. i didn't wet my bed as a child.
1455462;1461299793;asciilifeform;but what thinking man needs is not 'the herd' but the other thinking folk.
1455463;1461299807;asciilifeform;i for instance found out that lispm even existed by sheer stroke of luck
1455464;1461299815;mircea_popescu;that's why hermits hermit, rite.
1455465;1461299826;mircea_popescu;cuz they need other derps.
1455466;1461299831;asciilifeform;and had to excavate diligently to turn up the necessary materials, i have 0 meatwot connection to the folks who built'em.
1455467;1461299840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can mathematicize as perelman but not engineer.
1455468;1461299858;asciilifeform;the range of what can be effectively hermited is quite finite.
1455469;1461299859;mircea_popescu;he is discussing and i quote " Philosophers, writers, artists, even scientists"
1455470;1461299868;mircea_popescu;are we discussing aught else ?
1455471;1461299882;trinque;I ended up writing CL because I got drunk at ben_vulpes' shop one night; knew of it but hadn't bothered with it yet.
1455472;1461299894;trinque;in what I'd say is a rather despotic society
1455473;1461299895;asciilifeform;trinque: at least you knew ~somebody~
1455474;1461299902;asciilifeform;who used it.
1455475;1461299933;asciilifeform;you did not have to excavate it from beneath six metres of cement,
1455476;1461299933;trinque;so then some who were hacks or w/e, they dry up
1455477;1461299940;asciilifeform;as i had to excavate, e.g., 'Refal'.
1455478;1461299943;trinque;and other people get pissed off and burn something
1455479;1461299945;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1455480;1461299952;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.61, vol: 6059.78531889 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 441.251, vol: 6941.89761 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.04, vol: 19328.73117155 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.01, vol: 3.04280557 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.796826, vol: 37216.05810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.9, vol: 1029.35281336 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 440.373592, vol: 52.62527021 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1455481;1461299974;trinque;asciilifeform: sure, and your blog is a big part of why I ended up interested enough to hang around
1455482;1461299991;asciilifeform;neato
1455483;1461299992;*;asciilifeform bbl
1455484;1461299994;mircea_popescu;i also do not credit the "dictatorial education -> no diaries" argument from experience. there are NO BETTER jokes than the ro/ru/etc jokes from that time.
1455485;1461300017;mircea_popescu;on the contrary, the more dictatorially insane the society, the absolutely better the private life.
1455486;1461300033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: none from stalin period.
1455487;1461300044;asciilifeform;and what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'soviet great private life' is all post-'53.
1455488;1461300051;*;asciilifeform bbl for realz
1455489;1461300078;mircea_popescu;and there's no great american novel ; nor a french dictionary. what of it.
1455490;1461300301;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455176 << my damns are a complex echafaudage of roots and smoked mirrors and etc. hard to say how tall what is.
1455491;1461300301;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 02:02 asciilifeform: (last i recall mircea_popescu gave somewhere close to 1/10th of a damn, he is to be commended for this)
1455492;1461300404;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455207 << actually the commodization of prepped si is proceeding apace over the years.
1455493;1461300404;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 02:14 asciilifeform: you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting'
1455494;1461300458;mircea_popescu;just like high-performance designer chemistry jumped fro mbeing a well funded uni lab only thing back in 1996 to being accessible to random spammer with a desire to sell temporarily "legal" psychoactives.
1455495;1461300546;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455231 << in principle this is an approachable problem, but definitely not before much lower steps such as you know, cardano, isp, etc.\
1455496;1461300546;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 02:23 phf: so the idea is what drop $500k on an pure documented fpga, hope that maker crowd will help you recoup your costs, use fraction to run tmsr infrastructure? :)
1455497;1461300614;mircea_popescu;in other phuctor news, 473/797
1455498;1461300637;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454560
1455499;1461300637;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 16:33 mircea_popescu: in other news i see phuctor numbers marching steadily up, 440/562 by now ?
1455500;1461300646;mircea_popescu;33 more found. this monster is totally worth it.
1455501;1461301233;mircea_popescu; Public Exponent 170141183460469231731687303715884105731 is NOT PRIME ! <<< check out this shit.
1455502;1461301319;mircea_popescu; Bradley R. Smith ; Mike Kisser ; Mike Kisser ; Mike Kisser ; Mike Kisser ; Robert Staszewski ; Doc Tomoe ; Stefan Roehrich ; Sven Martinek ; Sven Martinek ; Sven Martinek ; Sven Martine
1455503;1461301320;mircea_popescu;k ; Sven Martinek ; Sven Martinek ; Michael Reid ; WOW.Net Admin ; Armin Herbert ; Armin Herbert ; Martin Spill [High Security]; Walter Forderkunz ; Scheduler Service (MER_Schedule on \\MER_DECXL); George Kenney ; Robert Fleming ; Christopher S. McLeod ; Christopher S. McLeod ; Marcus Breitenstein ; Greg Louis ; Greg Louis ; Greg Louis ; Greg Louis ; Urban Gantenberg ; Martin Straeten ; Joerg Werner ;
1455506;1461301345;mircea_popescu;;;google 170141183460469231731687303715884105731
1455507;1461301346;gribble;No matches found.
1455508;1461301386;mircea_popescu;and yet inexplicably i'm sure this will son be was already found-ed and documented by research that nevertheless fails to exist etc.
1455509;1461301606;mircea_popescu;$up needsmoarlaser
1455510;1461301614;deedbot;needsmoarlaser voiced for 30 minutes.
1455511;1461301646;needsmoarlaser;thanks mp
1455512;1461301689;mircea_popescu;o/
1455513;1461301899;needsmoarlaser;that you buying up all the arg bonds?
1455514;1461301945;mircea_popescu;lol
1455515;1461301957;mircea_popescu;in somehow inexplicably overlooked lolz : http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#comment-114319
1455516;1461301971;mircea_popescu;" if the large number N is the product of two primes, p and q, and someone obtains two other numbers, p' and q' which while prime or not nevertheless multiply to the same N, are not they now able to do anything"
1455517;1461301988;mircea_popescu;yes i reckon if they manage this, pulling themselves into orbit can't be far behind
1455518;1461305156;mircea_popescu;i estimate the log coudl do with some
1455519;1461305156;mircea_popescu;"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims will be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely
1455520;1461305156;mircea_popescu;to go to Heaven yet at the same time are likelier to make a Hell of earth."
1455521;1461307340;midnightmagic;finally found that draft rfc re: tls non-repudiation extensions: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hajjeh-tls-sign-03
1455522;1461324478;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/xkb <<< Preet strikes again?
1455523;1461324479;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1455524;1461326704;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu now thaaaaaaaaat was fast. dulap stolen AGAIN ?!!!!
1455525;1461326705;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1455526;1461326736;asciilifeform;phuctor, boiz and gurlz, you will notice, is down. because the box has been apparently again unplugged.
1455527;1461326752;asciilifeform;FOR FUCKS SAKE
1455528;1461326774;asciilifeform;PING nosuchlabs.com (46.166.165.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
1455529;1461326774;asciilifeform;From GW-DuomenuCentras.retn.net (87.245.242.226): icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable
1455530;1461326869;shinohai;:/
1455531;1461326956;asciilifeform;INCIDENTALLY that box never ONCE went down since it was brought up, until now.
1455532;1461327537;asciilifeform;i have nfi what it would take to keep this thing from getting unplugged.
1455533;1461327565;asciilifeform;i will prolly wind up putting it ~in my house~ only to start suffering from mysterious daily fiber cuts.
1455534;1461327700;shinohai;That seems to be the only way to keep it from being diddled with, having physical control of box.
1455535;1461327876;punkman;maybe split off the website from the phuctoring part, keep the latter seekrit
1455536;1461327879;asciilifeform;shinohai: the one problem is that i don't have physical control of whole motherfucking net.
1455537;1461327914;asciilifeform;punkman: this is doable, with the new design, but would do jack shit for making the site stay up.
1455538;1461327930;punkman;could have various proxies, mpex-style
1455539;1461327956;asciilifeform;punkman: this would deplete the s.nsa piggy pretty quickly
1455540;1461327974;asciilifeform;consider, phuctor is a public service, it makes 0 coin
1455541;1461327975;punkman;more important that phuctoring is uninterrupted than having 24/7 access to website
1455542;1461327991;punkman;maybe even scrap the website part, publish reports once a week/month
1455543;1461327998;asciilifeform;punkman: i will note that phuctoring wasn't even ~happening~ yet, it was only filling the tank and running heuristics on keys
1455544;1461328408;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455256 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450737 same strategies in a scope of a single codebase. naggum came up not for his later escapades (i don't know much about that) but because of his early attempts to fight a braindead internationalization module "MULE"
1455545;1461328408;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
1455546;1461328408;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 03:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455044 << i don't comprehend how this can even be a thing.
1455547;1461328456;phf;he forked and maintained his own mule-less emacs, wrote i believe a unicode based i18n module for it, etc.
1455548;1461328542;phf;then wrote a rant how that's unsustainable for a single person on account of having essentially to work as a merge maintainer for a dozen of projects
1455549;1461328811;phf;you have a changing subtrate, changing interfaces. you can hot iron parts while it's at a manageable size and localized, but at some point you start dealing with systemd type situation where the tendrils are inside either the code that you use OR inside the subtrate/interfaces part (i.e. connection to outside world)
1455550;1461328838;phf;when the solution becomes to freeze
1455551;1461328966;phf;but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support wayland. oh this new video card only supports wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
1455552;1461329203;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu phuctor back - looks like it is merely under epic ddos
1455553;1461329203;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1455554;1461329206;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc.
1455555;1461329206;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 04:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455101 << i have a difficult to explain and perhaps dubious proof as to why this imagined future is not a possible future.
1455556;1461329251;asciilifeform;phf: we ~nearly already have this.
1455557;1461329268;asciilifeform;consider all of the crud hardware that only really fully works under winblowz or crapple's os.
1455558;1461329294;asciilifeform;and yes, some of it also runs under 'linux' - see the excellent example of the samsung chromebook, which i bought some years ago and tried to civilize
1455559;1461329298;asciilifeform;it - nominally - runs gentoo.
1455560;1461329305;asciilifeform;but GO AND TRY to put your own ACTUAL gentoo on it.
1455561;1461329307;asciilifeform;without google's blobs.
1455562;1461329380;phf;do you ever sleep? :o
1455563;1461329385;asciilifeform;occasionally.
1455564;1461329448;asciilifeform;and yes you have to freeze the hardware.
1455565;1461329930;phf;http://www.anandtech.com/show/10268/china-calling-amd-forms-joint-venture-for-x86-server-socs-in-china
1455566;1461332699;deedbot;[Qntra] Bharara Arrests Another Murgio Over Coin.mx - http://qntra.net/2016/04/bharara-arrests-another-murgio-over-coin-mx/
1455567;1461333083;BingoBoingo;Sorry shinohai, fxd
1455568;1461333088;BingoBoingo;ty for your submission
1455569;1461333105;shinohai;^ thx, np.
1455570;1461333117;shinohai;Always on top of a Preet story :D
1455571;1461334483;BingoBoingo;Mebbe next time you can learn to do the preet picture on your own.
1455572;1461334753;shinohai;Got a template you can send me or something? I've just been writing everything in vi
1455573;1461336190;mircea_popescu;$up temujin
1455574;1461336219;deedbot;temujin voiced for 30 minutes.
1455575;1461336220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh
1455576;1461336292;mircea_popescu;punkman> could have various proxies, mpex-style <<< yeah, the republic will start printing bitcoin to finance an inept war with the idiot us, because the us is caught in dreams of its war with the soviet union and its delusional relevancy therein.
1455577;1461336336;shinohai; <<< top kek BingoBoingo
1455578;1461336349;shinohai;alt="Evil"
1455579;1461336425;mircea_popescu;phf i meant something specific : how can a "mode" be "replaced". sounds to me (prolly proof of my ignorance) like "blue colors have been deprecated in irssi". dude... what ? it's my fucking config file.
1455580;1461336465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. let it be, ~nobody cares about ddos. it is expensive enough to engage in and we really don't gas.
1455581;1461336480;mircea_popescu;you did your part, let the grunts trash it out now.
1455582;1461336849;mircea_popescu;phf i don't see how that is different from, "you buy fruit juicer, you can't play dos games on it". yes ?
1455583;1461337012;mircea_popescu;appreciate, i had a computer EVEN WHEN it was ~5k DM and the going rate was half-and-half for 5. and i'm sure that at some point between then and now, some poor black kid in the sticks somewhere wanted a computer only to hear "da fuck ya want dat witey shit fo boe!" from his momma and get to play casino gems on her knockoff smartphone instead.
1455584;1461337040;mircea_popescu;this notion that "every squishi wizard" must have access to the light bolt spell is lulzy, to me.
1455585;1461337054;mircea_popescu;i can see why it's in the geek ethos. i can't see why i should care.
1455586;1461337145;mircea_popescu;but if i were somehow persuaded to care - frankly i'm inclined to believe making computers cow-accessible was a horrible fucking idea.
1455587;1461337190;mircea_popescu;wikipedia is not better for pretending every imbecile is "an editor", it's way the fuck worse. the internet did not gain from the "collected intelligence and experience of the whole world", it turned into a cesspool instead.
1455588;1461337215;mircea_popescu;adding more engineers to a late project makes it later ; adding more bipedal mouthbreathers to anything makes it resemble shit closer.
1455589;1461337249;phf;cows are not under consideration here
1455590;1461337253;mircea_popescu;but they are.
1455591;1461337305;phf;i had computer access back when they were extremely expensive one of a kind devices
1455592;1461337309;mircea_popescu;understand - at some point in my life, "owning a computer" as opposed to a speccy, or a video game console, was a social selection bar SO HIGH that out of my entire preppiest-school-in-town it selected for TWO PEOPLE.
1455593;1461337313;phf;so i couldn't care less
1455594;1461337322;mircea_popescu;there were 20+ kids who had a driver drive them to school.
1455595;1461337332;mircea_popescu;there were two kids with an actual 286 at home.
1455596;1461337363;phf;sure, and you can tell that to americans in the audience, but that's not the issue i'm talking about
1455597;1461337370;mircea_popescu;distinguish it then.
1455598;1461337411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we actually had an 'iskra' (pseudo-8086)
1455599;1461337417;asciilifeform;but it was already ~1990
1455600;1461337453;phf;i'm saying that 80s general purpose computers existed because of wide open possibility space. "let's built this generic computron" "alan turing" all that
1455601;1461337460;asciilifeform;(parentz had connections)
1455602;1461337474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i was too dumb to do much with the machine. such is life.
1455603;1461337483;mircea_popescu;phf i disagree.
1455604;1461337500;mircea_popescu;this is just one of many possible ideological colors that may be retrospectively applied.
1455605;1461337528;phf;sure, i don't myself grok the cause. i'm more saying that 80s general purpose computer is a time and place kind of phenomenon
1455606;1461337571;phf;now it's starting to look that new hardware, be it for the select elite or plebs is not going to be general purpose in that same sense, because interested parties figured out what kind of constraints are desirable or tolerable
1455607;1461337573;mircea_popescu;if this is true then any handwringing of any sort is an exercise in insanity.
1455608;1461337579;mircea_popescu;was a time and a place, let it be.
1455609;1461337729;phf;back then a working cpu at capacity was the point, we have floating point here now, gives wider possibility space, etc.
1455610;1461337747;mircea_popescu;it's not even clear we even want half the shit we have.
1455611;1461337751;phf;now a working cpu comes preinstalled with all the gunk that various parties decided is needed, over the course of past 20 years
1455612;1461337762;mircea_popescu;i tell you honestly if i were to go on a mountaintop now, IF i considered taking a computer AT ALL
1455613;1461337765;mircea_popescu;it'd prolly be a dos box.
1455614;1461337767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but the general-purpose thing cannot be given away.
1455615;1461337779;asciilifeform;it is not ground that can be yielded.
1455616;1461337784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this stand would be a lot more defensible if general purpose computing made a sense!
1455617;1461337794;mircea_popescu;it's like a general-purpose hole.
1455618;1461337799;mircea_popescu;nigga, say wut ?!
1455619;1461337811;asciilifeform;roughly, means 'machine where you can implement new crypto', for mircea_popescu's purposes.
1455620;1461337831;asciilifeform;it only makes sense when examined in light of the OPPOSITE
1455621;1461337838;mircea_popescu;the purposes do not matter. causes decide.
1455622;1461337838;asciilifeform;which is usgtronic, nintendoized computing
1455623;1461337844;mircea_popescu;it is not clear a "general purpose hole" may exist.
1455624;1461337849;asciilifeform;where proggy won't run unless signed by microshit.
1455625;1461337855;asciilifeform;'general-purpose' simply means NOT THAT.
1455626;1461337865;asciilifeform;it is a term of art.
1455627;1461337869;asciilifeform;not philosophical.
1455628;1461337874;mircea_popescu;understand : just because you don't get to have "general purpose hole", it is not automatically thereby proven "enemy gets black hole"
1455629;1461337874;asciilifeform;very specific, earthly.
1455630;1461337883;mircea_popescu;that is not a definition.
1455631;1461337889;asciilifeform;as a matter of fact it is.
1455632;1461337905;asciilifeform;which is why all machines made before, e.g., 1995, are 'general purpose'
1455633;1461337905;mircea_popescu;as a matter of fact it may appear, but a negative lacks the definition capacity.
1455634;1461338032;phf;well, we don't have a definition, i don't think "we" have ever arrived at a point where definition can be provided. what constitutes a general purpose computer, which are necessary/unnecessary parts. i'm reading 80s vlsi papers and it's all up in the air. should there be math coprocessor or bake it right into cpu, etc. etc. and then you have a "microcomputer revolution", when bill/steve start selling this shit to masses
1455635;1461338061;mircea_popescu;and the problems with "roughly, means 'machine where you can implement new crypto', for mircea_popescu's purposes" should be obvious to someone who astutely points out that there's no math proof for crypto. the same thinking that works there works here, it does not follow i need computers redditard can buy to exist in order for to have crypto.
1455636;1461338066;asciilifeform;phf: fpga. is the only reasonable definition.
1455637;1461338072;phf;so at this point when i or ascii talk about general purpose, it is in terms of negative, a doomed attempt to undo past 20 years to continue r&d that was killed
1455638;1461338083;mircea_popescu;phf i insist on this point to impress upon the more decisive elements exactly how weak a basis for discernment we actually have.
1455639;1461338091;mircea_popescu;and by we in this case i mean to include any and all enemies, too.
1455640;1461338101;mircea_popescu;it is them, after all, throwing abundant resources in the chase of a pipe dream.
1455641;1461338104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you might not need '$1 computer redditard could buy', but if your only shot at computer was to bake own vlsi in the kitchen, you'd prolly use vernam pad and be done with it.
1455642;1461338127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what if i, unlike you, that enjoys people, knows for a fact that any item the government nominally owns is mine for the taking ?
1455643;1461338147;mircea_popescu;much like any young hussy theoretically owned by her father is really really desperate to give the show away ?
1455644;1461338152;asciilifeform;this works great when there is something to take
1455645;1461338156;asciilifeform;like my father took the iskra
1455646;1461338178;mircea_popescu;not take in that sense necessarily. that is take of the sort of people who read trilema and "take" some part to put on their own blog.
1455647;1461338192;mircea_popescu;orc-take. but there's also mistress-take.
1455648;1461338206;asciilifeform;the usg 'mistresses' all have syphilis.
1455649;1461338214;mircea_popescu;she cooks you a meal like she does every day, i happen to be in town, come by and eat it, you come home and oops, she forgot this time
1455650;1461338223;mircea_popescu;and you'll have to "forgive" her, because she does your laundry. fuck you.
1455651;1461338240;asciilifeform;translate into concretes plox ?
1455652;1461338245;mircea_popescu;that WAS concrete.
1455653;1461338257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu comes to ft meade and the monkeys make him a personal cray-II from spare partz ?
1455654;1461338264;asciilifeform;and he takes it home.
1455655;1461338267;mircea_popescu;while giving blowjobs.
1455656;1461338269;phf;well, that's an equivalent of running cmucl inside x86 browser virtualization
1455657;1461338270;mircea_popescu;why'd i take home ?
1455658;1461338280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to crypto on it ?
1455659;1461338287;asciilifeform;or will you send plaintext to the monkeys to encipher for you ?
1455660;1461338305;mircea_popescu;phf it's not an equivalent of anything. the important point here is that from experience, this rubber band is very slippery. there is no such thing as "tight"
1455661;1461338315;asciilifeform;or hell, you wanna play eulora
1455662;1461338323;asciilifeform;what, monkeys will print out each frame and mail to you ?
1455663;1461338353;asciilifeform;or what, a eulora can exist on planet with 5 computers ?
1455664;1461338358;mircea_popescu;eulora is a particularly miserable example, in general games by shrewd companies benefit rather than suffer from locked down markets.
1455665;1461338378;asciilifeform;until microshit says 'pay 500k usd for a signing key or go fuck yerself'
1455666;1461338378;mircea_popescu;which is why people in 1800 could live well "writing for the newspaper" and ditzy sluts today can't.
1455667;1461338380;asciilifeform;like crapple.
1455668;1461338387;mircea_popescu;why do you think it'll say that to me too ?
1455669;1461338404;mircea_popescu;yes, will say to you. and i'm thankful for it, less crud to compete with. it'll be either buy microsoft fly sim or eulora. hurrr.
1455670;1461338417;mircea_popescu;as i say : games horridru example for this closed markets thing.
1455671;1461338435;phf;mircea_popescu: it's the strategic superiority article's position is what i'm saying. you can rig up ipad to do crypto for you, as long as you shield it in a bunker, install some toy language environment on it and spend some time writing rsa algo in that
1455672;1461338487;mircea_popescu;phf that's still not the level of discussion here. yes i'm not entirely blockheaded, i understand THAT angle of it. the point is the other angle however. take all the drm adventures : in spite of all the effort AND proprietary hardware, i can still get any film i want
1455673;1461338495;mircea_popescu;this applies. in spades.
1455674;1461338527;mircea_popescu;people in the empire are dumb enough to buy, TO BUY, for MONEY, "copy protection" that i can take out with a magic marker. you grok this ?
1455675;1461338542;mircea_popescu;it's no accident people in the empire behave like people in the empire.
1455676;1461338562;mircea_popescu;nor do they have the optionalities you imagine for them, it's not a case of "republic, on imperial steroidal vitamins".
1455677;1461338596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: go and jailbreak, e.g., 'ipNohe 6', with magic marker.
1455678;1461338608;asciilifeform;(a new break is discovered 1-2/year and is worth $sixfigs)
1455679;1461338626;phf;but i'm not attributing any agency to the republic, i'm observing and commenting on a tendency
1455680;1461338628;mircea_popescu;but that is still a private company, more or less.
1455681;1461338633;mircea_popescu;and it makes a very narrowly covering product.
1455682;1461338652;mircea_popescu;phf well he's attributing some agency to "the enemy", except imo the wrong sort.
1455683;1461338701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you imagine the same would stay true once every usg item had to use ipad 6 for lack of alternative, and in ALL applications ? phones, servers, metal detectors, everything, ipad 6 ?
1455684;1461338720;mircea_popescu;the ~only reason they can keep it together is that they get to define the tasks they want to solve.
1455685;1461338746;mircea_popescu;take that away, you're back to literotica runs on bbsomeshit
1455686;1461338759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox sign for me something with microshit's master key then ?
1455687;1461338768;mircea_popescu;how is this a cogent argument here ?
1455688;1461338778;asciilifeform;that 'once usg requires that every...'
1455689;1461338781;trinque;back when windows mattered it was trivially and ubiquitously pirated
1455690;1461338785;asciilifeform;pirated.
1455691;1461338793;asciilifeform;but NOT 'signing key stolen'
1455692;1461338796;mircea_popescu;well that DOES mean breaking an "unbreakable" os ?
1455693;1461338800;asciilifeform;no.
1455694;1461338805;asciilifeform;it never had serious copy protection.
1455695;1461338810;asciilifeform;and copy protection is a red herring anyway
1455696;1461338825;mircea_popescu;the argument is here that a) that joke passed for serious back then ; b) there can not be such a thing as "serious" in this application.
1455697;1461338830;asciilifeform;the thing they ACTUALLY want is precisely to prevent folks from running unauthorized SELF-WRITTEN proggy.
1455698;1461338832;phf;i think my lament is that the possibility space is closing, the kind of substrate that allows for a global optimization problem like "pirated movies" to resolve is being gradually eliminated in a counter optimization. i'm warning a potential collapse, mp's arguing that the space is always open
1455699;1461338862;mircea_popescu;phf your measure of "open" is always going to be flawed, in the sense that it's a version of "general fights last war".
1455700;1461338864;asciilifeform;a self-written proggy is an 'unknown unknown'
1455701;1461338872;mircea_popescu;you don't know what to measure, because open means, definitionally, exactly this.
1455702;1461338883;mircea_popescu;so as time goes by, any arbitrary definition of open must converge to closed.
1455703;1461338895;mircea_popescu;this is directly resultant from thermodynamics, and allows no exceptions.
1455704;1461338923;phf;well, in that case i'm just sad that things have to die
1455705;1461338931;asciilifeform;phf: except that they don't
1455706;1461338935;asciilifeform;and this is poppycock
1455707;1461338936;mircea_popescu;which is in all times and places the universal characteristic of geekdom
1455708;1461338945;mircea_popescu;so much so the more astute artists actually use it as a characterisation device.
1455709;1461338960;phf;hehe
1455710;1461338980;mircea_popescu;check out alfie at rage stage :D
1455711;1461339006;asciilifeform;well it is poppycock, thermodynamics has as much to do with the closing of computer as SR has to do with 'cultural relativity'
1455712;1461339031;mircea_popescu;under discussion was not "the closinbg of computer" but "the measure of open"
1455713;1461339060;trinque;"can't even cons in hardware on x86; how is it open?"
1455714;1461339087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how are these distinct ?
1455715;1461339115;asciilifeform;trinque: very basic open - can you 'turingcomplete' on it.
1455716;1461339138;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you are engaging in the behaviour you derride re folks making cryptosystems, and in spades!
1455717;1461339138;asciilifeform;as in, can you load in own soft that runs with same privileges as the 'official' item.
1455718;1461339145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that
1455719;1461339149;mircea_popescu;"oh, this seems really hard to me - it must be impossible!"
1455720;1461339158;phf;asciilifeform: that's insufficient even for our immediate needs. you can turingcomplete on it, but so can nsa
1455721;1461339180;asciilifeform;phf: which is why i said 'own soft with same privilege'
1455722;1461339189;asciilifeform;optionally in place of ~all~ of the vendor's.
1455723;1461339211;asciilifeform;but to see precisely what i meant, and i worked for years to rigorously define it,
1455724;1461339212;mircea_popescu;now hush about all this and go make me actual homomorphic encryption so i can compute platform-independent.
1455725;1461339213;mircea_popescu;hurr durr :D
1455726;1461339218;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284
1455727;1461339248;asciilifeform;^ precisely what means 'open'.
1455728;1461339277;mircea_popescu;you understand that just as there's no bridge between "this is what math says" and "this is what our cryptosystem does", there's no bridge between the words you use ?
1455729;1461339292;asciilifeform;no?
1455730;1461339299;mircea_popescu;well this'd be the problem eh.\
1455731;1461339317;mircea_popescu;let's start with something simple : open and closed do not stand in opposition.
1455732;1461339320;asciilifeform;and no there will not be a mathematical definition. any more than there is of, e.g., 'train'.
1455733;1461339331;mircea_popescu;they are not even the same kind. open is a measure of an undefined property.
1455734;1461339333;asciilifeform;(what's a train? how many people it has to carry? what of tanker cars? etc)
1455735;1461339337;mircea_popescu;closed is always strictly meaningful in a context
1455736;1461339348;mircea_popescu;there is no way, nor could there be a way, for you to put these two in a syllogism.
1455737;1461339443;mircea_popescu;there is a definition of train, quite mathematical : if the driving power is transmitted via tyre, you have a car. if transmitted via rigid assemblage - track. if transmitted via rigid assemblage working against a rail - train.
1455738;1461339467;phf;well, perhaps this argument is frustrating because we arguing that certain kind of space is closing, and you seem to be responding with but everything's always open
1455739;1461339471;mircea_popescu;trains that work vertically are also called elevators.
1455740;1461339498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: maglev is also train...
1455741;1461339498;mircea_popescu;phf it's not "but everything's always open", it's more "the reason this space is closing is because losing relevancy, and you'd be fools to focus on it if true"
1455742;1461339518;asciilifeform;this is actually specifically where we disagree.
1455743;1461339519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not only maglev : but the driving TRAIN. and for this reason.
1455744;1461339532;asciilifeform;i see programmable comp as a cornerstone of thinking man, same as clean sheets of paper and pen
1455745;1461339548;mircea_popescu;man thought with or without paper.
1455746;1461339584;asciilifeform;i'm not interested in pashtun 'thought'.
1455747;1461339591;asciilifeform;man as man, vs shaved monkey, begins with writing.
1455748;1461339592;mircea_popescu;but you are also mixing inmiscible things.
1455749;1461339608;mircea_popescu;man that wrote on paper was chinese. your ancestors wrote on hide.
1455750;1461339616;asciilifeform;birch bark.
1455751;1461339622;mircea_popescu;or bitch bark, sure.
1455752;1461339627;asciilifeform;l0l!
1455753;1461339631;*;asciilifeform pictures bitch bark
1455754;1461339633;mircea_popescu;makes for splendid crypto :D
1455755;1461339640;phf;that's what germans did
1455756;1461339688;mircea_popescu;anyway, the economic issues are incontrovertible. the "general computer" as killer micro is an 80s thing because white people were not mentally ill and mentally retarded then.
1455757;1461339703;mircea_popescu;today, they are. they will not be able to support this. no matter what you do, they aren't smart enough for it.
1455758;1461339718;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no reason to have computers in shop like bread and porn mags.
1455759;1461339727;asciilifeform;this, i think, is beyond dispute.
1455760;1461339741;mircea_popescu;well so then.
1455761;1461339773;asciilifeform;i never asked for computer we can have 10 billion of.
1455762;1461339777;asciilifeform;10 thou - yes.
1455763;1461339793;asciilifeform;1 per actual person.
1455764;1461339799;mircea_popescu;"we" as in, the relevant part of the species, tried this whole "every life is precious - every life is sacred" thing. because we got scared of ww2, and bla bla.
1455765;1461339815;mircea_popescu;it came to its bitter end, in wikipedia articles, reddit and twitter opinions, and so on and so forth.
1455766;1461339823;asciilifeform;no argument!
1455767;1461339827;mircea_popescu;there's no further to go, and we'll be switching.
1455768;1461339829;mircea_popescu;well so then!
1455769;1461339908;asciilifeform;so asciilifeform, phf, ben_vulpes, et al still need their bulldozers.
1455770;1461339921;mircea_popescu;in some manner or other, "common man" that "just wanted to" will crash against the wall of "wot or take a hike"
1455771;1461339932;mircea_popescu;tis what it is.
1455772;1461339940;asciilifeform;common man took a hike long ago when he went with microshit.
1455773;1461339950;asciilifeform;question is about the remainder.
1455774;1461339958;mircea_popescu;and the ploy to convince them that the way into the future is "being anonymous", and especially THE FACT THAT IT WORKS is no end of high comedy
1455775;1461340007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of microshit and all that : the experience of this alikim fellow in #eulora constituted a shattering moment for me. so, let me summarize :
1455776;1461340025;asciilifeform;the one in 'of the slave' article on mircea_popescu's site ?
1455777;1461340036;mircea_popescu;yes, him. so guy comes in, he's well spoken and clearly competent, has a lot of experience wit hgaming. strictly in windows.
1455778;1461340053;mircea_popescu;runs into trouble with data interchange, such as for instance going from csv to sql takes him hours of hand labour
1455779;1461340060;mircea_popescu;(because he doesn't bash, doesn't python, etc)
1455780;1461340078;mircea_popescu;and in the end ? alikim "the trouble" or rather a sad fact is that instead of maintaining one resource everyone maintains their own
1455781;1461340085;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-04-22.log.html#t05:54:45 < and following.
1455782;1461340096;mircea_popescu;basically, guy's problem is that eulora is unworkable because IT IS NOT CENTRALIZED ENOUGH.
1455783;1461340134;asciilifeform;on that benighted planet, where winblowz rules, getting ANYTHING done is such a titanic effort that, yes,
1455784;1461340137;asciilifeform;gotta centralize.
1455785;1461340141;asciilifeform;it follows from their braindamage.
1455786;1461340156;asciilifeform;see, 'alikimbecause it takes alot of time to scrap of the bits and pieces scattered across the internet into something useful'
1455787;1461340160;mircea_popescu;imagine that, he found bugs in my fucking client, and i mean that plural. yet... in the end... he can't work with it because he's from windows, and the requirements that puts on him are not merely "well you gotta convert to sql for mysql"
1455788;1461340167;mircea_popescu;they ACTUALLY are "well i can't tHI?NK about this bs!"
1455789;1461340186;asciilifeform;actually most of my sweat on getting phuctor into a reliable state was re sql
1455790;1461340192;asciilifeform;i never actually before or since used any sql !
1455791;1461340197;asciilifeform;but i did not complain.
1455792;1461340208;asciilifeform;because wtf, it is a basic thing, everyone ELSE on planet, knew it!
1455793;1461340208;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is his chosen area of expertise!
1455794;1461340219;mircea_popescu;for local flavour : the man runs lamp locally like a sort of super-excel.
1455795;1461340224;asciilifeform;ugh
1455796;1461340227;phf;guy's programmer? :o
1455797;1461340236;mircea_popescu;no but i don't say to disparage. i say to explain. for him, this makes sense.
1455798;1461340240;mircea_popescu;phf flash programmer.
1455799;1461340248;mircea_popescu;and make no mistake : he is intelligent, and actually a good programmer.
1455800;1461340273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have worked with winblowz refugees
1455801;1461340280;asciilifeform;it takes a great deal of time to cure such a man
1455802;1461340281;mircea_popescu;he is a citizen not a refugee.
1455803;1461340288;asciilifeform;but when cured, they are as able as anyone
1455804;1461340295;mircea_popescu;word.
1455805;1461340314;mircea_popescu;so THIS is perhaps the strongest argument i see against my earlier position.
1455806;1461340330;mircea_popescu;the fact is that living among idiots damages the brain. ask ustard kids about us history, you'll hear some lulz.
1455807;1461340337;mircea_popescu;heck, alf's cosmonautics day is a fine point in case.
1455808;1461340340;asciilifeform;some appreciable number of folk are 'in the jail, but not OF it'
1455809;1461340393;mircea_popescu;the only problem being, of course, that the cure to living among idiots is to stop living among idiots, it can't be resolved with some sort of peculiar computing choice or other.
1455810;1461340430;asciilifeform;thing is, as amply described on trilema, even mircea_popescu 'lives among idiots'
1455811;1461340434;mircea_popescu;and the whole discussion re systemd above is quite germane : even "with" this so called "general purpose in the sense of we dunno what exacrtly" computer of today,
1455812;1461340436;asciilifeform;but he has a good gas mask.
1455813;1461340438;mircea_popescu;you STILL can not maintain gentoo.
1455814;1461340457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only gas mask i use is a condom.
1455815;1461340459;asciilifeform;depends what means 'maintain', no?
1455816;1461340473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you two just agreed above it's hopeless!
1455817;1461340475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: full-body condom
1455818;1461340488;asciilifeform;cosmonaut..
1455819;1461340498;trinque;lol
1455820;1461340501;mircea_popescu;why, i don't fuck fatties, to fall in.
1455821;1461340513;trinque;if there are 10k computer users in the world, how many of them to allocate to gentoo maintenance?
1455822;1461340525;asciilifeform;trinque: 0
1455823;1461340538;mircea_popescu;trinque the idea more or less is that once you get rid of the power rangers, maintenance becomes 10k easier a task.
1455824;1461340580;mircea_popescu;this is evident in, for instance, rms' early writings about "hacking" at mit or wherever.
1455825;1461340597;mircea_popescu;absent the ovester feminists and other idiots who wanted to cheerlead because it was popular,
1455826;1461340607;mircea_popescu;they could actually engage in coding so much so permisionless fs were better.
1455827;1461340620;mircea_popescu;much like your idea of sql here is, "well fuck it, wot"
1455828;1461340666;mircea_popescu;there's a huge difference at work between situation 1. "i'll explain what he did AND I KNOW he'll apologize" and 2. "i won't even explain because i know he won't even understand".
1455829;1461340669;asciilifeform;like villages with no locks on doors, aha
1455830;1461340684;mircea_popescu;while you can rely on 1 you have one environment, and it's what the boys here miss. not "general purpose computer"
1455831;1461340692;mircea_popescu;they miss "general purpose computer person"
1455832;1461340697;asciilifeform;i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers'
1455833;1461340701;trinque;yep, I was wondering at whether those were conflated
1455834;1461340708;asciilifeform;if you somehow eliminate them, you get entirely different world.
1455835;1461340723;trinque;gossipd-net?
1455836;1461340734;trinque;"all the fun shit is happening in there and you can't come"
1455837;1461340754;mircea_popescu;it's already most of the way there as it is, hence all the butthurt.
1455838;1461340757;mircea_popescu;but yes.
1455839;1461340763;trinque;I'd love for that thing to be on entirely *specific* hardware that does only that, perfectly
1455840;1461340773;trinque;I'd put one at the edge of my network and never look back
1455841;1461340777;asciilifeform;trinque: this is sitting on my desk, quietly.
1455842;1461340778;mircea_popescu;trinque but that wouldn't be a "general purpose" item would it ?
1455843;1461340785;mircea_popescu;o noes!
1455844;1461340787;trinque;mircea_popescu: right!
1455845;1461340790;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc i described it.
1455846;1461340801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think about this for a second. so ms makes its windows key ; and i make my short run mp key. why not ?
1455847;1461340811;mircea_popescu;and then we have gosspid and bitcoin and they have ms fly sim. win-win.
1455848;1461340818;mircea_popescu;why do you have to be so violent!
1455849;1461340842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because on that planet i would not have learned to computer and would not be speaking.
1455850;1461340857;mircea_popescu;why not ? maybe your mother's a slut and knows me.
1455851;1461340868;asciilifeform;not even then.
1455852;1461340871;mircea_popescu;maybe she meets phf at the weekly chaikowski teas or whatever they do.
1455853;1461340888;asciilifeform;because 'to computer' in this sense ~means~ to pluck machine from junkyard etc.
1455854;1461340911;mircea_popescu;so you find a discarded mp-signed bios and turn it on and it prompts you to make a key and heck... wtf is this.
1455855;1461340914;mircea_popescu;what's the problem.
1455856;1461340923;asciilifeform;how often kidz now find jailbroken pNohe etc
1455857;1461340929;asciilifeform;realize we aren't speaking of hypotheticals
1455858;1461340931;mircea_popescu;but it wouldn't be jailbroken.
1455859;1461340933;asciilifeform;that future ~already~ is here.
1455860;1461340938;mircea_popescu;it'd just be tmsr-jailed
1455861;1461340946;asciilifeform;which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here.
1455862;1461340969;mircea_popescu;no, the reason there's no folks younger than 20 here is because folks younger than 20 are retarded.
1455863;1461340973;asciilifeform;all of us grew outside of the jails.
1455864;1461340982;asciilifeform;but ~why~ are they retarded ?
1455865;1461340992;mircea_popescu;uh. no, i lived in romania.
1455866;1461340999;asciilifeform;aha, and in ro you had z80
1455867;1461341001;asciilifeform;which was not jailed.
1455868;1461341006;trinque;my brother's 18; I have him on devuan on an old box
1455869;1461341008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the same reason roman youth was retarded. because people are born retarded and it washes off slowly.
1455870;1461341020;asciilifeform;i had 8086 in su, and, funnily, 6510 here.
1455871;1461341024;asciilifeform;also not jailed.
1455872;1461341025;trinque;and if nobody's around to love you enough to kick your ass, you suck
1455873;1461341030;mircea_popescu;^
1455874;1461341038;mircea_popescu;"oh but how is it my fault" well...
1455875;1461341106;trinque;so then, perhaps *I* own a computer and he may use it via gossipd if he doesn't piss me off
1455876;1461341116;trinque;would his experience of the thing be general purpose, or would it be constrained by me
1455877;1461341171;mircea_popescu;in short, we're ideologically in this funny position where on one hand we want to bake bitcoin miners straight into silicone, and this is fine and good ; then enemy wants to make signable hardware and THIS IS EVIL. but it is on one hand what we do, on the other hand unavoidable due to the idiots and on the third hand perfectly ignorable. so they make theirs and we make ours and whoopdedoo.
1455878;1461341200;mircea_popescu;we've already agreed this "general computer" is idiocy, what's all the agitation about. it still is.
1455879;1461341244;asciilifeform;i don't care what the enemy bakes for own use
1455880;1461341255;asciilifeform;the only problem is that he has 100% of the fab capacity
1455881;1461341259;asciilifeform;and free world - 0%.
1455882;1461341290;asciilifeform;this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine.
1455883;1461341323;mircea_popescu;100% of my left testicle.
1455884;1461341342;mircea_popescu;as it is today, chinese plants run two shifts a day to make iphones for apple and one shift to make bootlegs for themselves.
1455885;1461341350;mircea_popescu;this isn't even some big secret, millions of people know.
1455886;1461341350;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1455887;1461341354;asciilifeform;chinese plants, american toolchain.
1455888;1461341359;mircea_popescu;ITS JUST A KEY.
1455889;1461341367;mircea_popescu;"put this one in".
1455890;1461341379;asciilifeform;bring me one with mircea_popescu's key in mask rom then
1455891;1461341385;mircea_popescu;then, i will.
1455892;1461341409;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu understand lithography ? you can't make 1.
1455893;1461341417;asciilifeform;can make 1mil.
1455894;1461341422;mircea_popescu;get the whole run, obviously.
1455895;1461341436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine. <<< "only available machine" here means something very marketing-driven
1455896;1461341444;mircea_popescu;in the sense that if it's for > 9.95 it might as well not exist
1455897;1461341454;mircea_popescu;we specifically do not care of this nonsense, we are not feeding the consumers.
1455898;1461341458;asciilifeform;i get this.
1455899;1461341465;asciilifeform;but the $10k cpu has not yet been invented.
1455900;1461341477;asciilifeform;there only exist 10 cent and 100 million ones.
1455901;1461341479;mircea_popescu;da fuck i care that the mpstation is 500 and the just-as-good shitstation is 19.95
1455902;1461341486;mircea_popescu;so all the grannies will buy the shitstation. all the better.
1455903;1461341487;asciilifeform;500 is closer to the ten cent.
1455904;1461341505;asciilifeform;this is one of those 'dead middle' items.
1455905;1461341508;asciilifeform;from thread 2 yrs ago.
1455906;1461341537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand something fundamental. if the whole blockchain takes 200 yottahashes to dig up, one block still only costs you 200 yottahashes / 60 * 10, ie 0.15%
1455907;1461341556;mircea_popescu;the factories will be there to make the shit, and an eight hour run in one will still be 1/1000 or less.
1455908;1461341575;asciilifeform;why will they be there ?
1455909;1461341579;mircea_popescu;there's very good scale effects that deeply favour us.
1455910;1461341581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will personally maintain them ?
1455911;1461341590;asciilifeform;ok this is the part where i'm lost
1455912;1461341597;asciilifeform;how do we benefit from nintendo/crapple's scale ?
1455913;1461341612;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu grasp how ic fab tooling works ?
1455914;1461341614;mircea_popescu;because same board with the signed bios can be made with... different key.
1455915;1461341618;asciilifeform;no.
1455916;1461341621;asciilifeform;key - in mask rom.
1455917;1461341621;mircea_popescu;orly.
1455918;1461341623;mircea_popescu;so ?
1455919;1461341631;asciilifeform;do you know what is a mask rom ?
1455920;1461341646;mircea_popescu;yes, some metal in between silicone layers cut a certtain way
1455921;1461341671;asciilifeform;hardwired pattern, aha
1455922;1461341675;asciilifeform;lithographically.
1455923;1461341675;mircea_popescu;so ?
1455924;1461341713;asciilifeform;so i would like to see mircea_popescu actually sneak something into a mil+ items production line
1455925;1461341718;mircea_popescu;this argument is rapidly collapsing into a "these damned dentists moved from using fireplace tools to actual dentist's chairs, and i won't have one at home and i won't ever be able to have teeth or chew now"
1455926;1461341721;mircea_popescu;at least to my eyes,.
1455927;1461341723;mircea_popescu;what sneak dude.
1455928;1461341793;mircea_popescu;"you should only use general purpose pliers"
1455929;1461341812;mircea_popescu;"but those fucking hurt" "fuck you, evil guy" "but i need them for dentistry, for uterine retraction, for" "FUCK YOU!!!!"
1455930;1461341846;asciilifeform;specious analogy.
1455931;1461341873;mircea_popescu;the only specious thing here is the strange notion that somehow they'll get aliens to do the work in alien ways forever.
1455932;1461341877;asciilifeform;there is nothing advantageous about the non-programmable computer being the only available.
1455933;1461341880;asciilifeform;other than to hitler.
1455934;1461341899;asciilifeform;fact is, in '09 there was the freedom to write, e.g., bitcoin.
1455935;1461341907;asciilifeform;and in 2029 probably will not be.
1455936;1461341916;mircea_popescu;there is ~no possibility of this sort of evolution, and what more can be said.
1455937;1461341922;asciilifeform;unless you are mircea_popescu and can take over a whole fab.
1455938;1461341938;mircea_popescu;but if you ARENT they why the fuck whine, clearly your notions aren't worth the fab time!
1455939;1461342049;mircea_popescu;at the absolute very least you should be able to get a university in fucking brazil with a key ffs.
1455940;1461342058;mircea_popescu;which is exactly hoiw all the shit we use now was written i nthe first fucking place.
1455941;1461342077;mircea_popescu;and also back when going on the internet was, technically, fraud and theft, the internet WAS ACTUALLY WORTH FUCKING STEALING
1455942;1461342150;asciilifeform;aha but then you had to steal a million.
1455943;1461342152;asciilifeform;now - billion.
1455944;1461342225;asciilifeform;and for some reason mircea_popescu is reluctant to confront the fact that even he can only remotely afford fab time because it is subsidized by the drool of a billion 'konsooomerz'
1455945;1461342235;asciilifeform;otherwise it would cost as mars launch costs.
1455946;1461342243;asciilifeform;and he would write on parchment
1455947;1461342248;asciilifeform;and communicate with other mircea_popescus via pigeon.
1455948;1461342261;mircea_popescu;neither c, nor unix, nor lisp for that matter were written by people who had computers at home. you understand this, right ?
1455949;1461342265;asciilifeform;aha.
1455950;1461342267;mircea_popescu;bitcoin SUFFERED from this
1455951;1461342276;mircea_popescu;it's writen by a windows imbecile that nigh on put lamp in there!
1455952;1461342290;mircea_popescu;if nakamoto never had a computer at home, we'd be better off.
1455953;1461342318;asciilifeform;arguably if richie and pike hadn't been able to find a junkyard pdp, we would also be better off.
1455954;1461342328;asciilifeform;rubbish computers take their toll.
1455955;1461342413;mircea_popescu;not better off in the sense of - no bitcoin
1455956;1461342433;mircea_popescu;better off in the sense of same exact bitcoin maaaaaybe coupla years later [or coupla decades earlier ?] and we wouldn't be in THIS position
1455957;1461342446;mircea_popescu;we'd be in the position were we'd be humble followers on the much cooler tmsr bbs.
1455958;1461342516;asciilifeform;tricky bit
1455959;1461342526;asciilifeform;how much is it 'bitcoin' if you only have a dozen relays ?
1455960;1461342533;asciilifeform;if a miner exists in 3 universities ?
1455961;1461342534;mircea_popescu;AND NO POSSIBLITY OF DDOS
1455962;1461342541;asciilifeform;you get 'swift'
1455963;1461342543;mircea_popescu;and all the people at those unis are in wot.
1455964;1461342544;mircea_popescu;etc.
1455965;1461342551;asciilifeform;but how is that bitcoin ?
1455966;1461342563;mircea_popescu;no, you get a new world govt in two years.
1455967;1461342578;mircea_popescu;provided, of course, imbecile ustards aren't in it
1455968;1461342593;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm fuckign thankful the obedient horde country collapses already.
1455969;1461342651;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 2nd batch of keyz loading in.
1455970;1461342653;mircea_popescu;imagine - as a plot for a very cool sfish thing - that real-world 1984 SU actually had bitcoin invented by one of the guys there, and the cause of the collapse was the fight between the intellectuals and the bolsheviks
1455971;1461342659;asciilifeform;(currently deduplicating)
1455972;1461342664;mircea_popescu;with an ex uni rector shooting cannon rounds at the duma
1455973;1461342671;mircea_popescu;and then well... takes over teh world and there you go
1455974;1461342731;asciilifeform;l0l!
1455975;1461342742;mircea_popescu;yeah ? what ?
1455976;1461342758;mircea_popescu;i find it particularly concerning that at the one point in history science fiction need not to any degree and in any sense mean future
1455977;1461342769;mircea_popescu;the "community" is entirely irrelevantly silent.
1455978;1461342773;mircea_popescu;schmucks to the last man.
1455979;1461342996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i prolly oughta implement paged views.
1455980;1461343013;asciilifeform;(~900+ braindamaged keyz alone, etc)
1455981;1461343030;mircea_popescu;at least cache the thing and update it periodically.
1455982;1461343035;asciilifeform;and/or that.
1455983;1461343038;mircea_popescu;btw, P gone ?
1455984;1461343045;asciilifeform;waiwut
1455985;1461343049;asciilifeform;ah the product
1455986;1461343051;mircea_popescu;used to yeah
1455987;1461343066;asciilifeform;it is impractically large, i thought about regenning it weekly and putting up torrent perhaps
1455988;1461343076;mircea_popescu;yeah there's no way is there.
1455989;1461343086;asciilifeform;it is heavy.
1455990;1461343087;mircea_popescu;i suppose we publish it when we're done.
1455991;1461343102;mircea_popescu;yeah, seed it as torrent. server can take it.
1455992;1461343107;asciilifeform;plan is i revv up the engine some time late tomorrow.
1455993;1461343122;asciilifeform;it is to be a massive batch factor thing.
1455994;1461343125;asciilifeform;(bernstein's method)
1455995;1461343132;mircea_popescu;aha you said. cool deal.
1455996;1461343135;asciilifeform;all at once, as tree, rather than 1 at a time.
1455997;1461343150;mircea_popescu;makes final p only even moe sensible.
1455998;1461343163;asciilifeform;well there will be round 2, with an sks dump that isn't circa 2014.
1455999;1461343167;asciilifeform;but after that yeah
1456000;1461343180;mircea_popescu;anyway, seems to be going quite fast, actually.
1456001;1461343195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: realize that the thing isn't actually phuctoring in the traditional sense atm
1456002;1461343202;asciilifeform;it is heuristically walking the mods
1456003;1461343221;asciilifeform;and yeah adding them to db, annotating the 'notes' etc
1456004;1461343272;mircea_popescu;ah i c
1456005;1461343291;mircea_popescu;remind me of the complexity calculation for this ?
1456006;1461343301;asciilifeform;which?
1456007;1461343320;mircea_popescu;given X as the total count of moduli bytes, what is the formula to extract the time for ideal machine running ideal algo
1456008;1461343325;mircea_popescu;506/945 heh.
1456009;1461343349;mircea_popescu;AHAHAHAHA OMFG
1456010;1461343353;mircea_popescu;have you seen this wonder :
1456011;1461343380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very difficult to say exact theta.
1456012;1461343395;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 6703903964971298549787012499102923063739682910296196688861780721860882015036773488400937149083451713845015929093243025426876941405973284973216824503042051 is NOT PRIME !
1456013;1461343395;mircea_popescu;User(s):
1456014;1461343395;mircea_popescu;lrh@primenet.com; Lyman R. Hazelton ;
1456015;1461343402;mircea_popescu;PRIMENET FTW!
1456016;1461343407;asciilifeform;mega-primez.
1456017;1461343409;mircea_popescu;i'm going to write to him
1456018;1461343420;asciilifeform;check if it's coprime with his modulus 1st
1456019;1461343424;asciilifeform;betcha it ain't
1456020;1461343433;mircea_popescu;let him check.
1456021;1461343441;asciilifeform;(it IS possible to operate with a key having nonprime e, but NOT if it isn't comprime with modulus!111)
1456022;1461343450;asciilifeform;you don't get a unique inverse !
1456023;1461343460;asciilifeform;pull out a napkin, do this, you will enjoy.
1456024;1461343621;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 80792515178277518251787191721674879901110256674288710080325863568811637847169727232993003528807283659221794902304745048735298897876227302737720380966120707801577193418252490229375494375974130266990144095960168920691980546606549390404595235846190426176454114630090762607218939728852664521518880997809825963804785833474170856051712436966411423737140440088315805145194514148327565481771150785375646482160442791814859
1456025;1461343621;mircea_popescu;00929615464339399587788075411476100924403308321807806781421177705052431289275431732830867419635645164174483761499317088249659553881291597359333885900533858307401161329619651238037048388963402764899057665 is NOT PRIME !
1456026;1461343623;mircea_popescu;largest one to date.
1456027;1461343654;mircea_popescu;but there's some pretty large ones.
1456028;1461343680;asciilifeform;betcha these overflow on some godforsaken winblowz pseudopgptron.
1456029;1461343697;mircea_popescu;they must
1456030;1461343702;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 80792515178277518251787191721674879901110256674288710080325863568811637847169727232993003528807283659221794902304745048735298897876227302737720380966120707801577193418252490229375494375974130266990144095960168920691980546606549390404595235846190426176454114630090762607218939728852664521518880997809825963804785833474170856051712436966411423737140440088315805145194514148327565481771150785375646482160442791814859
1456031;1461343702;mircea_popescu;00929615464339399587788075411476100924403308321807806781421177705052431289275431732830867419635645164174483761499317088249659553881291597359333885900533858307401161329619651238037048388963402764899057665 is NOT PRIME !
1456032;1461343713;mircea_popescu;o damn same thing. sorry.
1456033;1461343716;mircea_popescu;ima stop spamming the log.
1456034;1461343721;asciilifeform;try downloading the key (hit button on the bottom of page)
1456035;1461343725;asciilifeform;and encrypto to it !
1456036;1461343737;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits ! << a nice!
1456037;1461343799;mircea_popescu; lrh@primenet.com host smtp1.mke.securence.com [204.11.209.99] SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: 554 no valid recipients, bye
1456038;1461343809;mircea_popescu;i guess he got canned for his prime critical failure.
1456039;1461343840;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n1c
1456040;1461343875;mircea_popescu;actually it turns out primenet.com is actually a spammer service.
1456041;1461343898;mircea_popescu;~nothing to do with primes.
1456042;1461343936;asciilifeform;subprimez!
1456043;1461343940;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1456044;1461343988;mircea_popescu;so nice to have the btcalpha quality links bakc.
1456045;1461344010;asciilifeform;i actually wanted phuctor.nosuchlabs.com
1456046;1461344019;asciilifeform;and i put in, believe it, a a-record update
1456047;1461344026;asciilifeform;but apparently namecheap is a cesspool
1456048;1461344030;asciilifeform;it is ~2days now and nothing.
1456049;1461344093;mircea_popescu;yeah i ditched them a while back
1456050;1461344098;mircea_popescu;went to total wwwshit
1456051;1461344143;asciilifeform;yeah but this is a new wtf low.
1456052;1461344154;asciilifeform;the update shows up on their www panel
1456053;1461344157;asciilifeform;but not elsewhere.
1456054;1461344199;mircea_popescu;heh
1456055;1461344377;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, trb has been up for 100+ consecutive dayz there.
1456056;1461344386;asciilifeform;as in, 0 interruption.
1456057;1461344420;asciilifeform;afaik this is record.
1456058;1461344597;mircea_popescu;nb
1456059;1461346230;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, the bicycle cheat thing apparently has been a crackpot hypothesis for ~years, 'mechanical doping', and it has come out ~how~ it was done
1456060;1461346245;asciilifeform;at least 2 had the magnetized wheel arrangement
1456061;1461346249;mircea_popescu;aha!
1456062;1461346326;asciilifeform;others - thin, long motor in ~shaft~ of bike
1456063;1461346334;asciilifeform;with very thin shaft leading through where the pedals mount
1456064;1461346339;asciilifeform;i recognized the motor immediately from the photo
1456065;1461346346;asciilifeform;it is, i think, a 'maxon'
1456066;1461346360;asciilifeform;they are made in switzerland. i had just such a motor in the 'tecan' robot.
1456067;1461346367;asciilifeform;very spiffy motor.
1456068;1461346390;mircea_popescu;how's the gearing done ?
1456069;1461346398;asciilifeform;someone put 3d model on 'youtube'
1456070;1461346403;asciilifeform;worm gear.
1456071;1461346404;mircea_popescu;the main advantage of magnetic being obviously that no need to gear the "motor"
1456072;1461346408;mircea_popescu;a
1456073;1461346431;asciilifeform;apparently nobody expected thermovisor.
1456074;1461346445;asciilifeform;which, incidentally, is a great tool for 1,001 jobs
1456075;1461346450;asciilifeform;e.g., for squatters, or burglars
1456076;1461346456;asciilifeform;to learn which houses are empty
1456077;1461346457;mircea_popescu;problem is... how do you adjust motor rpm with user's ?
1456078;1461346466;asciilifeform;they had concealed switch in handlebar.
1456079;1461346474;mircea_popescu;very complex, this
1456080;1461346474;asciilifeform;in at least one case
1456081;1461346482;mircea_popescu;needed some sort of gearbox that allows arbitrary axle drive
1456082;1461346483;asciilifeform;in others, it was based on clinometer, i think
1456083;1461346555;asciilifeform;'cheas as much as humanly possible, then in your wolf form, cheat moar!111'
1456084;1461346560;asciilifeform;*cheat
1456085;1461346589;asciilifeform;i always thought it was peculiar that the bike folk get to use own machines
1456086;1461346600;mircea_popescu;f1 folk do.
1456087;1461346603;asciilifeform;one would imagine, naively, that they would draw lots and pick one from a set, like dueling pistols
1456088;1461346606;mircea_popescu;of course, there a motor is EXPECTED
1456089;1461346612;asciilifeform;aha
1456090;1461346914;asciilifeform;http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/news/how-does-mechanical-doping-work << photo, apparently.
1456091;1461347053;asciilifeform;' Van den Driessche and her father deny any intent to cheat and say that the situation was a mix-up: A friend’s bike outfitted with a motor was mistakenly brought to the pits. ' << l0lz
1456092;1461347158;mircea_popescu;what else are they goinna say, "my daughter is ten bucks a lay, free blowjobs on sunday, call now" ?
1456093;1461347167;asciilifeform;aha!
1456094;1461347226;phf;that's hilarious
1456095;1461347281;phf;"man, i'm ~killing~ it today, say, did i accidentally grab my buddies motorized bike??? naaawww"
1456096;1461347354;asciilifeform;phf: note that you cannot buy ~these~ motor bikes in a store.
1456097;1461347399;asciilifeform;the japanese ones have larger, ~external~ motor
1456098;1461347405;asciilifeform;moar power, easier repair, etc.
1456099;1461347420;asciilifeform;the intricately crafted hidden motor exists only to cheat in race.
1456100;1461347433;asciilifeform;it is of very little use to a ben_vulpes commuting to his sweatshop on bike etc.
1456101;1461347436;phf;"femke, my fellow biking aficionado, i built a motorized bike but the kicker, nobody can tell you're using one. say, you want to borrow it for a few weeks? say put it in your fleet of racing bikes?"
1456102;1461347540;mircea_popescu;"it's for training. you have to work less to go the same distance"
1456103;1461347570;asciilifeform;somehow i recall the thread where mircea_popescu explained 'caught thief's justifications'
1456104;1461347581;asciilifeform;'not my pants, not my arse, not my knife, wasn't me'
1456105;1461347613;phf;and even if it was, he had it coming anyway
1456106;1461347628;mircea_popescu;that's where the rogue veers politica.
1456107;1461347644;mircea_popescu;as in,
1456108;1461347654;mircea_popescu;"Alexander The Great: How dare you molest the seas?
1456109;1461347655;mircea_popescu;Pirate: How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor."
1456110;1461347656;asciilifeform;'he had it coooming! he had it commming! he only had himself to blaaame! if y'dhve been there! if you;'dve seen it! you know that you would have done! the same! ' (tm) (r)
1456111;1461347695;asciilifeform;aha everyone i think knows this story
1456112;1461347845;mircea_popescu;everyone may know it, but no one has come up with an answer worth two shits, which is how memory hole became required bug-that's-a-feature in modern man mental programming.
1456113;1461351683;copumpkin;omg my withdrawal came through, thanks mircea_popescu :)
1456114;1461351696;copumpkin;I won't need cryptographic proof to publicly shame you after all!!
1456115;1461351708;*;copumpkin goes back to idling in his 2012 world
1456116;1461352260;mircea_popescu;o.O
1456117;1461352321;copumpkin;<3
1456118;1461352829;trinque;was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry?
1456119;1461352906;trinque;nope, somebody else
1456120;1461353016;mircea_popescu;lol copumpkin is the champion ipad jailbreaker.
1456121;1461353065;asciilifeform;hey, easy in 2012 !111
1456122;1461353078;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Acopumpkin
1456123;1461353417;copumpkin;nah, back in my day the iPad was just a glimmer in Steve's eye
1456124;1461353497;mircea_popescu;was it what, iphone ?
1456125;1461353502;*;mircea_popescu has trouble distinguishing azns.
1456126;1461355135;copumpkin;yeah, iphone
1456127;1461355141;copumpkin;and ipod touch, I guess
1456128;1461356103;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455689 << Still done. Actually seems to be done now as well as it is every done.
1456129;1461356103;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 15:26 trinque: back when windows mattered it was trivially and ubiquitously pirated
1456130;1461356826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: winblowz was always deliberately and uniquitously pirated, it is how microshit propagates.
1456131;1461356832;asciilifeform;*piratable
1456132;1461357152;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455829 << One aunt and uncle locked thier house for the first time in a decade this weekend.
1456133;1461357152;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 15:57 asciilifeform: like villages with no locks on doors, aha
1456134;1461357258;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455861 << The devthedev kid who wrote a bit for early qntra is still under 18!
1456135;1461357258;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 16:02 asciilifeform: which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here.
1456136;1461357274;BingoBoingo;Stopped writing because he discovered gurlz.
1456137;1461357765;shinohai;btw BingoBoingo are you going to update http://qntra.net/contact/ ?
1456138;1461358949;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Eventually
1456139;1461358996;shinohai;lel
1456140;1461359057;BingoBoingo;shinohai: fxd
1456141;1461359125;shinohai;I know I'm ocd about such things, I chided mod6 about foundation site earlier this week.
1456142;1461359154;davout;shinohai: you suck, you didn't notice wp botched the gpg key!11
1456143;1461359161;davout;BingoBoingo: ^
1456144;1461359196;shinohai;O.o
1456145;1461361280;shinohai;https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/723541771314147328 <<< ethereum, never boring
1456146;1461363980;BingoBoingo;davout: I'll unfuck it
1456147;1461364103;BingoBoingo;$up crayon
1456148;1461364104;deedbot;crayon voiced for 30 minutes.
1456149;1461364108;crayon;ty
1456150;1461364135;crayon;just want to say thank you for nosuchlabs.com tool
1456151;1461364627;BingoBoingo; was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry? << Twas Rassah was the furvert
1456152;1461365898;asciilifeform;crayon: yer welcome
1456153;1461365938;shinohai;$up crayon
1456154;1461365939;deedbot;shinohai may not $up crayon
1456155;1461365946;shinohai;D:
1456156;1461365974;asciilifeform;$up crayon
1456157;1461365975;deedbot;crayon voiced for 30 minutes.
1456158;1461366476;mircea_popescu;cheers crayon o.O
1456159;1461366511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but this "X was done because Y wanted to but X' won't be done because Y doesn't want to" is still as lulzy as ever.
1456160;1461366532;mircea_popescu;usg.microsoft, usg.apple, usg.nsa, usg.sfpd along with usg.* are still our little bitch.
1456161;1461366544;mircea_popescu;#1 thing they like, taking big fat cock up ass
1456162;1461366550;mircea_popescu;#2 think they like, being a little bratty.
1456163;1461366889;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> Stopped writing because he discovered gurlz. << one of the better reasons.
1456164;1461366996;mircea_popescu;in other phuctor news (omfg this site is like perpetual xmas tree, i keep going there for presents multiple times a day), what the fuck is with all the ssh keys with exponent = 35
1456165;1461367094;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Anarchist Hackers Revolutionary Movement; << hopefully hablan ex-panhole. el hackeo es lucha por hoy & por siempre.
1456166;1461367194;phf;curious
1456167;1461367197;phf;(re 35)
1456168;1461367211;phf;heh darin@yoda.chinalake.navy.mil
1456169;1461367287;mircea_popescu;ssh://halleck.arrakis.se; among others
1456170;1461367297;mircea_popescu;which one was halleck, the good mentat guy ?
1456171;1461367337;mircea_popescu;i would think this is definitionally lame, "o hey check out my pgp key with the cool domain and the shitty exponent".
1456172;1461367344;mircea_popescu;yah, pretty fly for a dumb guy.
1456173;1461367344;phf;he's a musician and paul's weapons instructor
1456174;1461367396;mircea_popescu;ssh://172.16.9.84; << clearly this is from some bugged ssh tool.
1456175;1461367411;phf;yeah, that's my guess a compromised ssh package
1456176;1461367413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remind me what were we looking at, 24mn total sigs ?
1456177;1461367427;phf;i didn't realize this thing eats ssh too
1456178;1461367427;mircea_popescu;o hey it gets better,
1456179;1461367432;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 3843875385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Mike Doty ; Mike Doty ; Mike Doty (http://dev.gentoo.org/~kingtaco/) ;
1456180;1461367451;mircea_popescu;phf if it's rsa, it's food. alf the beedog is serious about bee's knees like that.
1456181;1461367489;phf;oh i remember kingtaco, he's gentoo old timer
1456182;1461367527;mircea_popescu;maybe point out to him then
1456183;1461367536;mircea_popescu;tho it might be ancient key.
1456184;1461367569;mircea_popescu; Henrik Thomsen ;
1456185;1461367573;mircea_popescu;tommy's been rewoked.
1456186;1461367591;mircea_popescu;ahahaha OK CHECK THIS ONE OUT
1456187;1461367601;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Security; Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA; TRW-Root-CA - TRW/SEG/ITS/IS ;
1456188;1461367626;phf;lovely
1456189;1461367628;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : you got your qntra piece right there. "Phuctor, the RSA Super-Collider discovers vulnerability in Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA "
1456190;1461367646;mircea_popescu;phf so lovely indeed. ties right into our convo earlier dunnit
1456191;1461367667;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/80F007FBD8F9950E492F6A2C720FF5C3136DFE1DEC5CE4125B546ADF837AD4A2 reflink
1456192;1461367721;phf;no google hits for this guy though
1456193;1461367777;mircea_popescu;this is an aggravating factor.
1456194;1461367802;phf;i'm putting all these keywords into my google search
1456195;1461367821;mircea_popescu;"May First/People Link engages in building movements by advancing the strategic use and collective control of technology for local struggles, global transformation, and emancipation without borders. Flowing from that mission, our organization redefines the concept of Internet Service Provider in a collective and collaborative way. Like any democratic membership organization, we gather together each year to evaluate the
1456196;1461367821;mircea_popescu;past years experiences, plan the coming years work and elect a Leadership Committee to apply what weve decided. Like a coop, we pay dues, buy equipment and then we all use that equipment as we need to for websites, email, email lists, and just about everything else we do on the Internet. As a movement organization, we participate in (and often lead) campaigns, struggles, coalitions and network of left, progressive an
1456197;1461367821;mircea_popescu;d social justice organizations in the U.S., Mexico and Internationally. Learn more about our organization by reading our official documents."
1456198;1461367827;mircea_popescu;too bad they can't crypto.
1456199;1461367869;phf;literally top mention of trw seg is http://everything2.com/title/TRW+SEG
1456200;1461367912;mircea_popescu;root@luisa.mayfirst.org; root@dolores.mayfirst.org; ssh://galeano.mayfirst.org; root@menchu.mayfirst.org; ssh://bernice.mayfirst.org; ssh://chun.mayfirst.org; root@leslie.mayfirst.org;
1456201;1461367926;mircea_popescu;organisation 100% fucked up by the 35 exponent. possibly we found the intended victim of that ?
1456202;1461367956;phf;dunno, they look kind of derpy
1456203;1461367970;phf;like those poverty ngos
1456204;1461367978;mircea_popescu;no, they look kind of like soros' litter.
1456205;1461368059;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Louis C. LaCour, Jr. ;
1456206;1461368062;mircea_popescu;check it out lol
1456207;1461368185;BingoBoingo;On it
1456208;1461368215;mircea_popescu;cool beans bb
1456209;1461368225;phf;i'd look at the date of that key though, whether it's hot, or we're just looking at an old trail
1456210;1461368257;mircea_popescu;let's play a little "guess the address of the scum pond" : Should an RSA public exponent be prime?
1456211;1461368257;mircea_popescu;tptacek 75 days ago
1456212;1461368258;mircea_popescu;1. Technical answer: an RSA public exponent needs to be coprime with the modulus, which is not the same as requiring that it be prime.
1456213;1461368258;mircea_popescu;2. Pragmatic answer: prime numbers are generally coprime with the modulus, and so they're an easy answer, and so RSA public exponents tend to be prime.
1456214;1461368258;mircea_popescu;3. Best-practice answer: just use 65537, in all cases. The other popular answer is 3, which is mathematically fine, but leaves less room for implementation error; there are some implementation flaws for which attacks are untenable with e=65537.
1456215;1461368261;mircea_popescu;4. Long-term answer: don't use RSA. RSA is well on its way to obsolescence. Most problems you'd ever want to solve with RSA are better solved with Curve25519 (for DH) and Ed25519 (for signing). Not coincidentally, these are the algorithms implemented by Nacl, the only crypto library you should consider using.
1456216;1461368265;mircea_popescu;5. Scolding answer: if you have to ask, please don't try to implement any of this yourself. It is very difficult to get RSA right.
1456217;1461368272;mircea_popescu;phf seeing how they aren'\t paying me to secure them, whether it's hot or cold makes no diff.
1456218;1461368305;mircea_popescu;also compare and contrast with the centralizing windows mind discussed earlier today.
1456219;1461368324;mircea_popescu;some people just LIKE to see stuff like " just use 65537" " just use nacl" etc.
1456220;1461368372;phf;Alfonso Mora ; there's your halleck. his gpg key is also bork
1456221;1461368414;mircea_popescu;odd isn't it ? these should be diff packages ?
1456222;1461368456;phf;a whole bunch of stuff from mayfirst
1456223;1461368469;phf;52 matches :o
1456224;1461368488;mircea_popescu;yeah why i said pretty thoroughly infested. and since few others have the 35 problem...
1456225;1461368489;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1456226;1461368499;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 21 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): AvaCam ; << wasn't this one of the early camhos ?!
1456227;1461368528;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): ssh://2nieqevdp67ck5gr.onion; << i dun use tor, anyonr that does care to screrenshot a page ?
1456228;1461368595;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 3765668207 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer ;
1456229;1461368596;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 4202608123 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer ; << poor guy, just can't catch a break.
1456230;1461368692;deedbot;[Qntra] Phuctor, the RSA Super-Collider Discovers Vulnerability in Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA - http://qntra.net/2016/04/phuctor-the-rsa-super-collider-discovers-vulnerability-in-northrop-grumman-pgp-root-ca/
1456231;1461368709;mircea_popescu;win.
1456232;1461368765;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 13905337 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Kerper Markus VWPKI 55FB65E9923146B0 ;
1456233;1461368828;mircea_popescu;Eng Seng ONG (Sydney, NSW, Australia) ; Public Exponent 2441348387 is NOT PRIME ! Public Exponent 2884952233 is NOT PRIME ! << this looks like yet another class of different weird e's, perhaps deliberate.
1456234;1461368937;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 65 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): HP Security Response Team (SIGNING ONLY) ; <<< ahahahaha
1456235;1461369051;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 4230764437 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Soren Hansen ; Soren Hansen ; Soren Hansen ; Soren Hansen ; Soren Hansen ; Soren Hansen ;
1456236;1461369094;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 2307795757 is NOT PRIME ! idem
1456237;1461369104;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 2205267067 is NOT PRIME ! aha
1456238;1461369116;mircea_popescu;mkay i guess ima just make a trilema.
1456239;1461369144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have nfi why everyone instantly convinced that the key belongs to northropg
1456240;1461369160;asciilifeform;i can make key 'obummer' etc.
1456241;1461369173;mircea_popescu;let them deny it.
1456242;1461369183;asciilifeform;lol whynot.
1456243;1461369197;asciilifeform;and yes a key with nonprime e will work...
1456244;1461369208;asciilifeform;but not if noncoprime with n
1456245;1461369224;asciilifeform;you get rubbish on decrypt
1456246;1461369258;asciilifeform;i considered originally gcd(e, n)
1456247;1461369277;asciilifeform;but wanted to catch all the weird-e folkx
1456248;1461369289;asciilifeform;these tend tp have other rot
1456249;1461369296;asciilifeform;*to
1456250;1461369387;*;asciilifeform bbl
1456251;1461369686;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1456252;1461369693;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 447.16, vol: 5494.31096080 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.0, vol: 6478.53859 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.79, vol: 12208.6973368 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.84160584 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 444.546306, vol: 32690.89810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.559, vol: 637.17797835 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.439717, vol: 49.92799371 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1456253;1461369805;BingoBoingo;;;more
1456254;1461369805;gribble;444.556807717
1456255;1461369811;BingoBoingo;From the lighter mines https://imgur.com/a/6vDKG
1456256;1461370115;phf;bb is man with a mission
1456257;1461371271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/ << as you command.
1456258;1461371699;mircea_popescu;Eric L. Spaulding ; Public Exponent 524289 is NOT PRIME ! o.O
1456259;1461371875;mircea_popescu;also ubertons of fsfe people. it's odd, seeing how fsf i thought was mostly a us item.
1456260;1461372308;deedbot;[Trilema] The recent Phuctor finds, explained. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained/
1456261;1461373631;mircea_popescu;oh i keep forgetting the bot rss's.
1456262;1461374485;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): root@stallman.mayfirst.org; << check it out phf :D
1456263;1461374502;phf;:o
1456264;1461374585;phf;it looks like that's their mail server, kind of an odd name, but i don't think RMS is involved
1456265;1461374732;mircea_popescu;there's also a didier. and so on. seems they go by the ancient tradition of giving users a subnet
1456266;1461374759;mircea_popescu;ie if i were an user i'd log as root@popescu.mayfirst.org rather than the more common nowadays.
1456267;1461374818;mircea_popescu;but that aside, obviously all local names are arbitrary from the global perspective.
1456268;1461374878;phf;https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board
1456269;1461374899;phf;Stephen Mahood, Outreach and Communication Coordinator, "Most of his technical experience came from his work with Occupy Boston IT and May First/People Link, where he combined labor organizing and technical skills to support organizations focused on systemic change."
1456270;1461374908;mircea_popescu;how about that.
1456271;1461375000;mircea_popescu;i dunno about the "labor organizing" skills involved, but if they're at the same script kiddie level his technical skills belie, he's just right for the democratic party astroturf dept.
1456272;1461375031;phf;that's what i'm thinking
1456273;1461375081;phf;fake occupiers with a convenient set of diddle keys?
1456274;1461375096;mircea_popescu;kinda clashes with the derpage about how "the fsf doesn't consult rms because he's too slow for school"
1456275;1461375203;phf;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_First/People_Link
1456276;1461375566;mats;lol
1456277;1461375645;shinohai;asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
1456278;1461375651;mats;lots of these folks have the same smell
1456279;1461375792;mats;i encountered a professional tibetan panhandler in univ and asked him during the q&a wut exactly his end game was re: china (e.g. revolution by violent means? establishment of 's.a.r.' like .hk? macau?)
1456280;1461375814;mats;chuckled nervously, dodged the entire question, then talked about how important donations were to tibetan freedom and wutever the fuck
1456281;1461375827;mats;fuck that guy
1456282;1461375994;mats;he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
1456283;1461376188;mats;afterwards i asked him how he ended up in the role and it turned out he did some shit for occupy
1456284;1461376202;mats;that's when i realized its possible to have a career being a useless person
1456285;1461376341;mircea_popescu;not exactly useless. in socialism, political posturing is the first and often only "useful" activity.
1456286;1461376431;mircea_popescu;anyway. tibet used to be, roughly speaking, southern california of china. it got the mongolian hordes in the midwest all occupied, and more likely to put up with the emperor in washingtonjing.
1456287;1461376441;mircea_popescu;went the way of detroit.
1456288;1461376851;mircea_popescu;phf incidentally, you happy with the log ? am i moving links over ?
1456289;1461376870;phf;yes
1456290;1461376910;phf;only thing is that i still need to add /?date=01-12-2013 handler
1456291;1461376912;mircea_popescu;lemme see here...
1456292;1461377036;phf;(it's trickier then it would appear to any rational being, because the url handler that i'm using is all kinds of idiotic, i need to rip it)
1456293;1461377210;mircea_popescu;update posts set post_content = REPLACE(post_content, 'a href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/','a href="http://btcbase.org/log/'); will go from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986007 to http://btcbase.org/log/?date=21-01-2015#986007
1456294;1461377210;mircea_popescu;that any good ?
1456295;1461377253;phf;right
1456296;1461377278;mircea_popescu;takes me to root.
1456297;1461377299;mircea_popescu;hm, i should do date conversion then ?
1456298;1461377313;phf;no, i say just wait about a day
1456299;1461377331;phf;i was going to fuck around with annotations tomorrow, but i can do url fixes instead
1456300;1461377332;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 hope you aren't kilt ded
1456301;1461377332;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1456302;1461377335;mircea_popescu;lemme see what styr_to_date does
1456303;1461377448;phf;i mean, if you had a better a regex you could match http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=(\\d\\d)-(\\d\\d)-(\\d\\d\\d\\d)#(\\d+) and do a substitute to http://btcbase.org/log/\\3-\\2-\\1#\\4
1456304;1461377454;phf;or something along those lines
1456305;1461377491;mircea_popescu;yeah lessee here.
1456306;1461377540;mircea_popescu;o check it out - myslq has no regexp implemented.
1456307;1461377564;mircea_popescu;ok, i'm out roflmao. gonna wait a day for YOUR "all kinds of idiotic" to be fixed
1456308;1461377570;mircea_popescu;because clearly mine is all kinds of fine.
1456309;1461377607;phf;well, my idiocies i bring on myself, so they can be carefully undone
1456310;1461377628;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454379 << awesome, lots o' kudos.
1456311;1461377628;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 02:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot there.
1456312;1461377704;mircea_popescu;in other "fat women pictures and other non-news", retardopedia has a lengthy article on nobody in particular :
1456313;1461377705;mircea_popescu;The Yes Men are a culture jamming activist duo and network of supporters created by Jacques Servin and Igor Vamos.[1] Through actions of tactical media,[citation needed] the Yes Men primarily aim to raise awareness about what they consider problematic social and political issues. To date, the duo has produced three films: The Yes Men (2003), The Yes Men Fix the World (2009)[1] and The Yes Men Are Revolting (2014). In these fi
1456314;1461377705;mircea_popescu;lms, they impersonate entities that they dislike, a practice that they call "identity correction". The Yes Men operate under the mission statement that lies can expose truth. They create and maintain fake websites similar to ones they intend to spoof, which have led to numerous interview, conference, and TV talk show invitations. They espouse the belief that corporations and governmental organizations often act in dehumanizin
1456315;1461377708;mircea_popescu;g ways toward the public
1456316;1461377790;mircea_popescu;"According to Servin, the Yes Men concept initially sprang from their creation of a fake website spoofing the World Trade Organization. To the surprise of Servin and Vamos, many believed the site to be authentic, and the two were consequently contacted to speak at a conference in Austria. Since this time, the Yes Men have continued performing large-scale hoaxes, in what they describe as a collaborative effort with journalists
1456317;1461377790;mircea_popescu; to help the media tell stories which they believe are important"
1456318;1461377848;mircea_popescu;the usg, ever more distant from reality. after michael moore-level break from reality of the 90s, moving on to complete psychosis. soon to reach best korea level of mental confusion, im sure that fat schmuck was anally battering women called "Capitalism" and whatnot.
1456319;1461378106;phf;there's a cool book about american weirdo prank culture of the mid 80s early 90s, http://www.amazon.com/Pranks-RE-Search-No-11/dp/0965046982 it's in the tradition of american weird (john waters, church of satan, boyd rice, that kind of crowd)
1456320;1461378166;phf;i think most of it didn't survive through 90s, or turned dully political, like billboard liberation front
1456321;1461378217;mircea_popescu;dawg get out, john waters is a major film maker.
1456322;1461378218;phf;i think yes men come from that line, but completely devoid of artistic merit, with only leftist moore style commentary left
1456323;1461378231;mircea_popescu;pink flamingos, srsly
1456324;1461378257;phf;boyd rice is as much of a major musicians, i'm not trash talking, i love that stuff.
1456325;1461378298;mircea_popescu;but i mean... there's zero relation between the fact that cool people in paris cca 1800 drank coffee and starbucks. what coffee culture.
1456326;1461378409;phf;well, right, but my point is, to use the analogy, that starbucks wouldn't have anything to poach if there weren't paris cafes
1456327;1461378428;mircea_popescu;im not even sure. there weren't paris soda fountains, for instance.
1456328;1461378450;mircea_popescu;actually...there were, technically pseaking.
1456329;1461378454;mircea_popescu;hell even knows.
1456330;1461379492;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456277 << feed is up (just empty atm.) BUT see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1456045 .
1456331;1461379492;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 16:53 asciilifeform: i actually wanted phuctor.nosuchlabs.com
1456332;1461379492;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 01:40 shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
1456333;1461379555;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456282 << the most loathesome imho, of the ones in washington, are the falun gong people, in their yellow cult dress. followed by the iran emigres, who march around with signs demanding that their country be bombed and obamanated
1456334;1461379555;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 01:46 mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
1456335;1461379781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the perennial permanence of this scum accounted for the very ambivalent reaction east block refugees received, which was the first desilusionment for most eastern people.
1456336;1461379802;mircea_popescu;of course by now it matters relatively little, nobody in his right mind would seriously propose the west has anything to say or offer.
1456337;1461379820;asciilifeform;dragon had plenty of fat
1456338;1461379827;asciilifeform;folks still livin' on his back, drillin'.
1456339;1461379840;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet a flea that respected the dog.
1456340;1461379853;asciilifeform;never was there such a flea.
1456341;1461379854;mircea_popescu;not even housewives.
1456342;1461380013;asciilifeform;and l0l, who and where creams pants over 'downtown dc'
1456343;1461380020;asciilifeform;i would ~pay~ not to work there !
1456344;1461380022;mircea_popescu;people from kansas.
1456345;1461380086;asciilifeform;phun phakt, there are still cast iron traffic light controller / miscellaneous telephonic junk boxes mounted on streets in d.c., empty, sometimes full of bird nest and rubbish
1456346;1461380118;asciilifeform;i have not been to kansas, but suspect they do not have these.
1456347;1461380203;asciilifeform;i am an aficionado, i looked at the logos, they were already installed when the rosenbergs were sizzling in the d.c. electric chair...
1456348;1461380205;phf;when i was out last saturday "on the town", every other girl was from ohio, indiana, illinois. it turned into a game at some point. team ohio won
1456349;1461380252;mircea_popescu;eh, won at headcount. who won and head hm.
1456350;1461380263;mircea_popescu;this snarky remark is too much effort to deliver.
1456351;1461380290;phf;it's not worth it, it's easy to get them to go to a bathroom with you then deliver that punchline
1456352;1461380765;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1456353;1461380769;gribble;Current Blocks: 408531 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 716 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 44 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1456354;1461382578;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 1 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Michael Kmiec ;
1456355;1461382580;mircea_popescu;holy hell ?
1456356;1461382924;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD8822B236A7D809CB7D94A9B5E7DF08251829E6DCB988208AD8D3A768CAB9B << hilarity. somebody glomming my own modulus to some derp
1456357;1461382925;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1456358;1461383016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you sign the debian archive key ?
1456359;1461383024;asciilifeform;fuck no
1456360;1461383033;mircea_popescu;did debian archive sign your sig ?
1456361;1461383045;asciilifeform;realize, anybody can make this
1456362;1461383050;mircea_popescu;it;s all it takes
1456363;1461383055;asciilifeform;not even
1456364;1461383063;asciilifeform;you can just concatenate.
1456365;1461383070;mircea_popescu;well no, given keys A and B, getting B's modulus to appear on A requires one of the two to collaborate
1456366;1461383079;mircea_popescu;oh, you meak make a chimera ?
1456367;1461383090;asciilifeform;not per rfc4880...
1456368;1461383095;asciilifeform;aha.
1456369;1461383121;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE601B78A926EC490F5D5360C495163DFC53571C0430E423A677E5356047B730 << lol at pgp using 1025
1456370;1461383127;mircea_popescu;2^n+1 amirite ?
1456371;1461383136;asciilifeform;i'm a little surprised nobody yet packaged my and your key with, e.g., gavin's
1456372;1461383168;asciilifeform;aha i have nfi
1456373;1461383186;mircea_popescu;it's a matter of audience. the people who think gavin is a person don't grok all this ; the rest would be counter-affected.
1456374;1461383238;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB << a look, PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; with the 32 bit mirroring thing. we're by now in last year's territory amirte ? i recall seeing this.
1456375;1461383251;asciilifeform;aha!
1456376;1461383278;asciilifeform;these will all immediately pop when the gcdtron revvs up.
1456377;1461383324;mircea_popescu;what was the total count again ? 20mn ? like 3-4% loaded yet ?
1456378;1461383375;asciilifeform;~1.2mn rsa-iferous keyz
1456379;1461383392;mircea_popescu;ah that few ?
1456380;1461383398;mircea_popescu;pgp + ssh ?
1456381;1461383399;asciilifeform;(fucktonnes of dsa/etc derpery on sks)
1456382;1461383402;mircea_popescu;aha
1456383;1461383405;asciilifeform;pgp
1456384;1461383415;asciilifeform;we never collected ssh per se
1456385;1461383431;asciilifeform;somebody put those into the hopper.
1456386;1461383432;mircea_popescu;iirc there was a dump at some point
1456387;1461383438;asciilifeform;in pgp format no less
1456388;1461383441;mircea_popescu;yea
1456389;1461383442;ben_vulpes;(dsantery)
1456390;1461383451;asciilifeform;lel
1456391;1461383493;ben_vulpes;one could also iterate over github usernames
1456392;1461383498;ben_vulpes;github.com/.keys
1456393;1461383537;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: feel free to drop in anything you like
1456394;1461383578;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone have a clue wtf dmacc.net is ?
1456395;1461383585;ben_vulpes;perhaps some time will free up after this expose-child-to-great-grandmother-in-flyover-states-before-she-exits-gracefully concludes
1456396;1461383596;ben_vulpes;(trip concludes)
1456397;1461383629;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << mild lulz
1456398;1461383652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks defunct?
1456399;1461383695;mircea_popescu;seems it's des moines state uni.
1456400;1461383828;mircea_popescu;apparently github users trivially enumerable : https://api.github.com/repos/git/git/contributors
1456401;1461383839;mircea_popescu;walk the major projects, then walk benvulpes' thing.
1456402;1461383846;mircea_popescu;who wants to do some basic bashing ?
1456403;1461384139;ben_vulpes;https://api.github.com/repositories << can start there
1456404;1461384175;mircea_popescu;word
1456405;1461384180;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do ssh keys need any mangling to be digestable by phuctor?
1456406;1461384199;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: quite a bit.
1456407;1461384209;asciilifeform;not same format at all
1456408;1461384228;asciilifeform;which is why i was astonished to see any in there
1456409;1461384246;asciilifeform;someone - perhaps even the original user - converted...
1456410;1461384351;mircea_popescu;by no means undoable. a dump of github ssh keys as is will be useful.
1456411;1461384455;asciilifeform;iirc shithub uses pgp keyz as such, even
1456412;1461384457;ben_vulpes;i wonder how big that'll end up being
1456413;1461384466;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how large was the sks dump?
1456414;1461384473;mircea_popescu;quick question : what do Northrop Grumman and Joe Bradley have in common ?
1456415;1461384493;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the useful subset is a few gb
1456416;1461384509;asciilifeform;i discarded the dsa crapolade
1456417;1461384539;asciilifeform;ditto elgamal (they were ALL fucked, see logz)
1456418;1461384583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: modulus?
1456419;1461384599;mircea_popescu;16385 aha
1456420;1461384605;mircea_popescu;e not modulus.
1456421;1461384609;asciilifeform;ah
1456422;1461384637;asciilifeform;plenty of oddities
1456423;1461384662;mircea_popescu;i suppose there's a DOUBLEWORD to describe this particular flavour of sigint rite ?
1456424;1461384680;asciilifeform;somewhere!
1456425;1461384684;asciilifeform;gotta be.
1456426;1461384754;mircea_popescu;ait, being, of course, Advanced Information Technology. see say http://heron.nrl.navy.mil/contracts/baa/99BAA/908.htm
1456427;1461384790;mircea_popescu;of course, no joe bradley listed anywhere there.
1456428;1461384811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i knew folks in there, massive slave farm
1456429;1461384819;asciilifeform;life is cheap there
1456430;1461384831;mircea_popescu;sounds like it'd suck.
1456431;1461384832;asciilifeform;plenty of folks rotate in, out.
1456432;1461384838;asciilifeform;no shit
1456433;1461384896;mircea_popescu;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B4E8E5C313FB8A63997E829FBD1B5661D3CDF468BF4854EC92F9DCBFB673E9C << is this the redditard by the same name ?
1456434;1461384987;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD94E00906D5B8792D3E2EEA939904CE071B1723B8DCF63908EBAA5C47709BEC << nowai, chix?!
1456435;1461385008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which redditard
1456436;1461385030;asciilifeform;i recall no particular one such..
1456437;1461385030;mircea_popescu;one adam back
1456438;1461385077;asciilifeform;remind why he is remembered?
1456439;1461385094;mircea_popescu;i dunno, random wannabe, part of some derpy bitcoin vctronium, keeps spewing words on social media.
1456440;1461385150;*;asciilifeform long ago lost track of which of these was which.
1456441;1461400903;davout;asciilifeform mircea_popescu he's the hashcash guy iirc
1456442;1461401124;mircea_popescu;yaya, he popped out of nowhere last year trying to be relevant.
1456443;1461420082;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D55EC3410A17CE1153BB145032D25526D9D7860530F9594E61F6DF5A29E803F << lel
1456444;1461420282;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F << moar lelz
1456445;1461420360;shinohai;The lulz continiue ... a .mil this time xD
1456446;1461426452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i put the first in log myself! but teh second bwahahah. hightop eh.
1456447;1461426488;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1141 / 795950
1456448;1461426488;gribble;0.00143350712984
1456449;1461426495;asciilifeform;ah lol
1456450;1461426504;mircea_popescu;i wonder if 14 in every 1000 bitcoin addies are broken
1456451;1461426511;asciilifeform;iirc somebody found just this
1456452;1461426514;asciilifeform;& emptied'em
1456453;1461426516;asciilifeform;a while back.
1456454;1461426523;mircea_popescu;ya but were only a few dozen
1456455;1461426539;asciilifeform;pretty sure it became sop and the harvesters run to this day.
1456456;1461426637;mircea_popescu;prolly yeh
1456457;1461428999;shinohai;https://www.hackread.com/anonymous-hacker-arrested-for-leaking-filipinos-voters-data/ <<< rekt
1456458;1461429434;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG mircea_popescu et al! nosuchlabs.com now points to a www. phuctor now at phuctor.nosuchlabs.com .
1456459;1461429446;asciilifeform;currently working on url rewriter to avoid breaking logz links.
1456460;1461429557;mircea_popescu;well do rewriter first ?
1456461;1461429646;asciilifeform;aite.
1456462;1461429747;deedbot;[Trilema] The Darkening - http://trilema.com/2016/the-darkening/
1456463;1461429812;*;mircea_popescu is rather proud of ^
1456464;1461429818;asciilifeform;incidentally i just realized
1456465;1461429828;asciilifeform;that mircea_popescu is more or less rewriting pelevin's 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
1456466;1461429830;asciilifeform;which is 100% about this
1456467;1461429839;asciilifeform;complete with bursted bubbles and forcible anal education.
1456468;1461429890;mircea_popescu;all the shit i never read, i am cursed to forever rewrite.
1456469;1461429896;mircea_popescu;is there a link ?
1456470;1461429938;mircea_popescu;anyway, no education is contemplated. more like critical existential failure.
1456471;1461430004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://knizhnik.org/viktor-pelevin/ljubov-k-trem-czukerbrinam/1 << here it is.
1456472;1461430103;mircea_popescu;danke.
1456473;1461430426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: redirects done.
1456474;1461430430;asciilifeform;sites now switched.
1456475;1461430649;asciilifeform;in case anyone did not notice, http://nosuchlabs.com is an actual site now.
1456476;1461430660;asciilifeform;with linx to relevant thingz.
1456477;1461430756;mircea_popescu;and when i say "he codes well", what i mean is of the following type : yes he nearly moved the site before building the link bridge. BUT! that is easily fixed. what is not easily fixed is that everyone else would have made a link bridge that treated /gpgkey/xxx correctly, but left /stat hanging. he didn't, his /stat redirects correctly also.
1456478;1461430791;asciilifeform;l0l contrary to popular belief i dun operate on geological time.
1456479;1461430824;asciilifeform;when my handz are actually free, shit gets fixed.
1456480;1461430845;mircea_popescu;why is this pelevin fellow so modest.
1456481;1461430867;mircea_popescu;what happened to "fuck you, i use physical terms because i invented all of it and if you don't understand anything tell your father to stop drinking."
1456482;1461430878;asciilifeform;he's typically more that.
1456483;1461430893;asciilifeform;imho 'zuckerbrins' was not one of his better pieces.
1456484;1461430897;phf;well, he's normally that, but he's also into Eastern Spirituality so he's zen until provoked
1456485;1461430904;mircea_popescu;ic.
1456486;1461430945;phf;i could through a handful of pages before giving up, the book cover is just obnoxious
1456487;1461430970;mircea_popescu;trudge you mean ?
1456488;1461430976;phf;http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dolboeb/53631/678725/678725_original.jpg
1456489;1461431003;mircea_popescu;eh ffs.
1456490;1461431004;asciilifeform;i will point out that covers traditionally are drawn by folks who read 0 page
1456491;1461431019;mircea_popescu;is he the sort of tard that twu wuvs some sort of derpy yoko ono "artist" woman
1456492;1461431027;mircea_popescu;and she "contributed" that miserable design ?
1456493;1461431077;asciilifeform;not afaik.
1456494;1461431082;mircea_popescu;veliky hamster lol. "this cover made by a graphical artist whose distinction is that the text is somewhat funny."
1456495;1461431098;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu ever seen ru sf b00k covers ? they are all like this.
1456496;1461431103;asciilifeform;since '90s at least
1456497;1461431121;mircea_popescu;because why, windows.adobe ?
1456498;1461431128;asciilifeform;because tard publishing houses
1456499;1461431139;asciilifeform;at any rate, i have not until now ~seen~ this cover, remember, i read warez
1456500;1461431141;asciilifeform;.txt
1456501;1461431159;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless YOU ask ME wheter i seen covers.
1456502;1461431167;asciilifeform;i have seen number of others !
1456503;1461431167;mircea_popescu;bish, i've not as much as held a book in a decade.
1456504;1461431172;mircea_popescu;have you seen vhs tapes ?
1456505;1461431177;asciilifeform;back when i used to get the physical items via new york importer
1456506;1461431195;asciilifeform;hey my tapes had plain white coverz
1456507;1461431204;asciilifeform;('cause also 13333337 w4r3z)
1456508;1461431232;mircea_popescu;my better ones had plain producer markings (AGFA in thick red font was the best thing of my childhood). the cruddier ones had xerox'd pictures of who knows what.
1456509;1461431239;asciilifeform;agfa!11111
1456510;1461431243;*;asciilifeform nostalgiates
1456511;1461431420;mircea_popescu;"Физическая сторона вопроса на самом деле не особо для меня важна. Но она довольно интересна. Во времена Галилея и Коперника полагалось во вступлении делать реверанс в сторону церковной догмы и соотносить с ней все гипотезы и предполо
1456512;1461431420;mircea_popescu;жения, а сегодня мы должны точно так же кланяться догме научной. И если я говорю иногда про «мультиверс» и «многомерность», я делаю это примерно с теми же чувствами, с которыми Галилео мог бы упоминать в своей книге пророка Исайю и Анге
1456513;1461431420;mircea_popescu;лов Божьих: с робкой верой, что Святое Писание понято мной, грешным колдуном, хоть отчасти правильно."
1456514;1461431423;mircea_popescu;ok, what is this inept shit!
1456515;1461431447;mircea_popescu;really, nod to scientific dogma ? ffs.
1456516;1461431563;asciilifeform;iirc rough bio of mr p: went to engineering school, dropped out to sell ibm pc xt clones in early '90s, made megatonne of megabux, got into lsd, went off to write (at first short stories, for phree) then b00kz etc.
1456517;1461431566;mircea_popescu;this habit of "introduction" and "setting" and "explaining" and generally being a borderline sleeve neurotic tard is what sinks most writers that ever had a prayer. for the love of fuck - it's EXACTLY like talking to the police. NEVER say anything. not ever. fuck the intro - if the reader can't figure one out that works for him, he has no business reading.
1456518;1461431590;mircea_popescu;just tell your story.
1456519;1461431615;mircea_popescu;i can't begin to tell you how many lashes i distributed to innocent slave girls that wanted to start with a summary, a pile of hedges, some insurance, contextualization and what the fuck now.
1456520;1461431648;phf;mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's meta-narrative, i.e. introduction written by inept first person
1456521;1461431653;asciilifeform;aha.
1456522;1461431674;mircea_popescu;phf anyone ever told you what a white knight you are ?
1456523;1461431716;phf;that's one of the reasons why i couldn't get through far, i read enough of that shit online, to also read emulated version
1456524;1461431755;mircea_popescu;anyway, it works, meta-narrative. vorwarts.
1456525;1461431960;phf;only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
1456526;1461431981;phf;i think criticism is particularly painful when comes from place of precise understanding. then there's no excuse of "i was misunderstood!!". no, you were understood, and you suck.
1456527;1461432011;BingoBoingo;phf: Being the gentle on in TMSR is a phase most people grow out of.
1456528;1461432075;mircea_popescu;мультивер and многомерност. mult... hey, russian actually has the aproximate lateral palatal ?! i had no idea.
1456529;1461432095;mircea_popescu;anyway. multivers and mnogomernost. maybe useful later.
1456530;1461432192;mircea_popescu;(traditionally, ʎ is very much a spanish sound, if you look at a map it's pretty much latin america)
1456531;1461432288;phf;"Похож на русский «ль»[lj], однако если в русском языке этот согласный звук палатализуется кончиком языка, то в некоторых других языках мира, например в итальянском языке этот звук палатализуется серединой языка, прикасающейся к твёрдому небу."
1456532;1461432341;mod6;i see unicode
1456533;1461432351;mircea_popescu;this has got to be debatable. over here you can't get two derps to pronounce ll the same way you telling me stalin managed somehow ?
1456534;1461432359;mircea_popescu;mod6 log logs it correctly.
1456535;1461432385;mod6;no worries, was saying in jest :}
1456536;1461432427;mircea_popescu;yes yes, this conversation'd have sounded pretty lulzy in mpscii.
1456537;1461432512;mod6;these kids are doing all sorts of funny things with these keys
1456538;1461432528;mircea_popescu;phf that is correct, nevertheless, only little bitches shy from pain. girl can learn to move into the lash within a few months. writer should be fucking born with it.
1456539;1461432572;mircea_popescu;(and yes, that's approximately the first and best measure of trained slave - does she move into the lash ?)
1456540;1461433286;phf;that is a very precise definition of white knight
1456541;1461433291;phf;huh
1456542;1461433310;mircea_popescu;did you mischan your complaint ?
1456543;1461433384;mircea_popescu;anyway, i asked specifically to point out to you what a good job of it you're doing, expecting as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456525 that you wouldn't know. nothing more.
1456544;1461433384;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 17:19 phf: only in tmsr would i be the gentlest one ha
1456545;1461433444;phf;i was just marveling at the idea that you can you bludgeon and scalpel from the same cause, but always going for the second one reveals something about a thought process
1456546;1461433461;phf;*can use
1456547;1461433488;mircea_popescu;ALWAYS doing anything is a rng leak.
1456548;1461433499;mircea_popescu;(term of art, discussed here once, but it is possible i was speaking to myself)
1456549;1461433969;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. "tretyi zhurnalist, dama,"
1456550;1461433969;mircea_popescu;such russian.
1456551;1461434004;mircea_popescu;if i ever write a novel about russians, fucking and lying it will be titled exactly that. Tretyi Zhurnalist, Dama.
1456552;1461434028;asciilifeform;l0l!
1456553;1461434032;mircea_popescu;aha.
1456554;1461434602;mircea_popescu;dude seriously, the jack of cards braindamalogy ?
1456555;1461434606;*;mircea_popescu has had enough of this.
1456556;1461435054;asciilifeform;http://aaronburrssexdungeon.tumblr.com/image/143064904011 << unrelated but pertinent
1456557;1461435128;mircea_popescu;he is, yes.
1456558;1461435166;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD08753B96F941F94C17718E8143EB03AE4512196CD581540E4A552E31A32BE7 << lulzy
1456559;1461435975;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are items on the sadmod page presented in random order ?
1456560;1461436876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ought to be in order they were walked.
1456561;1461436879;asciilifeform;i'll take a look
1456562;1461437902;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << oh ffs!
1456563;1461437917;asciilifeform;i oughta add a whole page for these..
1456564;1461437941;asciilifeform;srsly, e == 1 ?!!!
1456565;1461443996;phf;exponent fits in head
1456566;1461444224;phf;$up Apocalyptic
1456567;1461444225;deedbot;Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
1456568;1461444270;Apocalyptic;thank you
1456569;1461444332;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: re e == 1, I was going to refer to the infamous salt commit and madduck, but I get it has already been discussed since http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=madduck yields a result
1456570;1461444387;Apocalyptic;however no fucking way to date the result, hence to get the whole conversation about it. Seems quite useless
1456571;1461444569;Apocalyptic;Re "However, e must be coprimeiii with phi(N), because otherwise messages encrypted can no longer be singularily decrypted (ie, the decryption process allows multiple ambiguous solutions)" it's not even that there are multiple solutions, but afaik there is no algo with a reasonable complexity to even recover them, since this implies computing an n-th root in Z/NZ
1456572;1461444764;Apocalyptic;"In practice, however, it is a lot cheaper to pick a prime exponent, than to check and make sure the exponent shares no factors with N or phi(N)" is there even something checking that e is coprime to N ? this would mean that e is necessarily a multiple of p or q, a case you would be extremely unlucky to get, in the somehow dubious case your e is larger than any of those prime. In the more usual case w
1456573;1461444770;Apocalyptic;here it's smaller there is no chance at all this happens obviously
1456574;1461444928;Apocalyptic;nevermind that search part, I missed the link
1456575;1461445107;phf;http://c9x.me/compile/ another minimal c99 compiler
1456576;1461446155;BingoBoingo;$up Apocalyptic
1456577;1461446156;deedbot;Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
1456578;1461446670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> srsly, e == 1 ?!!! << i had one on trilema article too. it's mindbending
1456579;1461446933;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic if you hover mouse on names you get date.
1456580;1461446941;Apocalyptic;yeah I noticed
1456581;1461446964;mircea_popescu;and yes, it's practically lost, but i was keeping it more on a math level. possibly should put it as comment there.
1456582;1461447016;Apocalyptic;it wasn't quite obvious that the bold nickname is in fact a link, I think it would help to have the date with the link before the name like in the b-a log
1456583;1461447018;mircea_popescu;tho to be fair iirc they were getting results with computing n-th roots
1456584;1461447042;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i like this style, works easier to copy/paste.
1456585;1461447155;Apocalyptic;afaik square roots are quite doable, higher not so much, but this I only remember this vaguely
1456586;1461447170;mircea_popescu;well last i looked at it the field appeared to be moving, is all i'm saying.
1456587;1461447192;mircea_popescu;bear in mind some of these exponents are actually 1 x.x
1456588;1461447196;Apocalyptic;in Z/pZ where p is prime , if p = 1 (mod 4) it can be done in O(log^3 p), that I know
1456589;1461447196;mircea_popescu;and 21, 35 also popular
1456590;1461447205;Apocalyptic;not sure for Z/nZ where n is any natural
1456591;1461447248;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic note the weak Northrop Grumman / navy.mil keys were all 2^n + 1, ie 16385
1456592;1461447301;Apocalyptic;(back to the Z/pZ case, if p = 3 (mod 4), the square root of c is simply c^((p+1)/4), so just a simple exponentiation)
1456593;1461447314;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: I saw that
1456594;1461447328;mircea_popescu;guess what 35 mod 4 is.
1456595;1461447382;Apocalyptic;no idea why these weird exponents were chosen
1456596;1461447397;Apocalyptic;especially the non-trivially large ones
1456597;1461447412;mircea_popescu;35 mod 4 = 3. we don't know the p, but if you were given to guess, it wouldn't be such a crazy guess to guess it also is.
1456598;1461447424;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic especially the non-mirrored 32 bit ones, yeah.
1456599;1461447455;mircea_popescu;(if you recall that was part of the suppression, originally)
1456600;1461447458;Apocalyptic;<+mircea_popescu> 35 mod 4 = 3 // yes, but this isn't related as the RSA arithm doesn't happen in Z/35Z, let alone that 35 isn't prime
1456601;1461447491;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying, yes daughters are daughters, but they live in the same house and if one's a slut...
1456602;1461447539;mircea_popescu;too much weird going on for my taste, s'all i'm saying.
1456603;1461447658;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually there's somewhere in log you were discussing some webturd proposing e = 1 or somesuch few days ago ? can't seem to find it.
1456604;1461447692;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: that's the salt thingy
1456605;1461447704;mircea_popescu;a was it
1456606;1461447713;Apocalyptic;https://github.com/saltstack/salt/commit/5dd304276ba5745ec21fc1e6686a0b28da29e6fc
1456607;1461447759;mircea_popescu;yeh
1456608;1461447849;Apocalyptic;actually, since you have an easily explicitly computable homomorphism between Z/pqZ and Z/pZ x Z/qZ, solving a square root in Z/NZ is as easy as solving it in Z/pZ for each prime factor p of N
1456609;1461447864;Apocalyptic;so yeah you can do square roots in Z/NZ easily if you factor N
1456610;1461448002;mircea_popescu;$up Apocalyptic
1456611;1461448003;deedbot;Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
1456612;1461448007;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
1456613;1461448007;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1456614;1461448010;mircea_popescu;o.O
1456615;1461448014;mircea_popescu;$rated Apocalyptic
1456616;1461448014;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated Apocalyptic.
1456617;1461448021;mircea_popescu;$rate Apocalyptic 1 math guy.
1456618;1461448021;deedbot;Apocalyptic is not registered in WoT.
1456619;1461448026;mircea_popescu;wouldja ?
1456620;1461448054;Apocalyptic;dude you rated me already, a long time ago
1456621;1461448060;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this possible ?
1456622;1461448067;deedbot;[Qntra] Ennetcom Seized, Operator Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ennetcom-seized-operator-arrested/
1456623;1461448071;Apocalyptic;I am very well in the WoT, I was even a lord at some point
1456624;1461448077;mircea_popescu;i thoughjt so, but the machine disagrees. were you using a different capitalisation ?
1456625;1461448089;Apocalyptic;somehow the WoT split from b-a must have been messed up
1456626;1461448099;mircea_popescu;crazy.
1456627;1461448100;Apocalyptic;no this very same one
1456628;1461448109;phf;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+rate+Apocalyptic
1456629;1461448138;Apocalyptic;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/apocalyptic/
1456630;1461448170;mircea_popescu;this is pretty weird.
1456631;1461448175;BingoBoingo;Ah deedbot case sensitivity strikes again.
1456632;1461448189;mircea_popescu;does it ?!
1456633;1461448204;BingoBoingo;It hits on my nick
1456634;1461448226;mircea_popescu;he should be a 2, from 2014. apparently is not ? wtf. trinque any idea ?
1456635;1461448242;BingoBoingo;$gettrust deedbot apocalyptic
1456636;1461448242;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
1456637;1461448250;mircea_popescu;holy shit.
1456638;1461448268;mircea_popescu;he always used the capital A tho, i reclal this.
1456639;1461448281;Apocalyptic;indeed
1456640;1461448286;BingoBoingo;$gettrust deedbot bingoboingo
1456641;1461448286;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1456642;1461448296;mircea_popescu;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Apocalyptic/
1456643;1461448330;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Urls are not case sensitive. Check between the title tags on the page
1456644;1461448354;mircea_popescu;yeah apparently btcalpha hgas him lowercase. no idea wtf this is.
1456645;1461448404;mircea_popescu;sorry bout that Apocalyptic should be fixed and you'll be able to selfvoice.
1456646;1461448430;BingoBoingo;voicing is not case sensitive. Just rating, etc
1456647;1461448452;mircea_popescu;ah ? Apocalyptic try saying $up here
1456648;1461448470;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: I tried to voice up privately with deedbot, didn't work out
1456649;1461448477;Apocalyptic;$up
1456650;1461448478;deedbot;You may not $up yourself.
1456651;1461448482;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1456652;1461448486;Apocalyptic;yeah same result in-chan
1456653;1461449062;BingoBoingo;;;later tell trinque ^
1456654;1461449062;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1456655;1461449829;mircea_popescu;any weabos in the audience wanna tell me what they think yomi means ?
1456656;1461449872;shinohai;Japanese for "Land of the dead"
1456657;1461449914;mircea_popescu;not that. as in on'yomi and kun'yomi. the reading/strategy yomi.
1456658;1461449928;mircea_popescu;i'm going to have to use the kanji won't i.
1456659;1461449968;shinohai;Sorry my shinto religious detector went off
1456660;1461450062;shinohai;;;ud yomi
1456661;1461450063;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yomi | Yomi is a Japanese term meaning "Knowing the mind of the opponent", and is essentially an intangible asset required in fighting games. It's the ability to know ...
1456662;1461450075;mircea_popescu;ok, good enough then.
1456663;1461450090;mircea_popescu;the underworld tinge is very good, but the actual meaning must be available.
1456664;1461450189;phf;just means to read
1456665;1461450281;mircea_popescu;thankee!
1456666;1461450301;phf;読む
1456667;1461450307;shinohai;Unrelated Asian info: https://i.imgur.com/KdD0FG9.jpg
1456668;1461450374;phf;actually no that's yomu, yomi means "reading"
1456669;1461450667;shinohai;Now that I am addicted to writing Qntra stuff, I can't find a single thing to write about today.
1456670;1461450694;phf;kardashians
1456671;1461450708;mircea_popescu;not unless they're nude.
1456672;1461451128;mircea_popescu;hola lobbes
1456673;1461451157;lobbes;hey mp
1456674;1461454867;phf;as i get closer to web, i get exposure to insanity radiation
1456675;1461454870;deedbot;[Trilema] The Dog - http://trilema.com/2016/the-dog/
1456676;1461454934;phf;~some~ browsers don't preserve fragments during redirects, so /log/?date=01-02-2012#123 redirect idea doesn't work, because #123 gets lost. selectively.
1456677;1461454979;phf;looks like asciilifeform will get his "old style" urls after all
1456678;1461455075;phf;can probably just render the page when ?date= is provided, but doing any sort of cleaning around fixes the url
1456679;1461455175;phf;*clicking around
1456680;1461455273;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456674 << word. i'm still recovering from earlier www binge...
1456681;1461455273;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 23:41 phf: as i get closer to web, i get exposure to insanity radiation
1456682;1461455584;mircea_popescu;# gets lost ? when ?
1456683;1461455648;phf;/log/?date=01-02-2012#123 sometimes becomes /log/2012-02-01#123 and sometimes /log/2012-02-01, and that's fully browser dependent
1456684;1461455672;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456675 << by far best yet!
1456685;1461455672;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 23:41 deedbot: [Trilema] The Dog - http://trilema.com/2016/the-dog/
1456686;1461456404;phf;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 works now
1456687;1461456444;phf;i just render in-place, but if you click arround it "corrects" the url
1456688;1461456500;phf;hmm, except it's unsupported by xref machinery
1456689;1461456544;mircea_popescu;loller
1456690;1461456719;mircea_popescu;correcting the url's not bad. phf you tried any local mod rewrite stuff or not running apache
1456691;1461456741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform next one's "the chosen", will put it to paper after i[m back from town.
1456692;1461456754;asciilifeform;neato!
1456693;1461456768;mircea_popescu;btw, as a curio,. anyone can actually read the two men's dialogue ?
1456694;1461456855;phf;i'm basically going to leave things as is. /log/?date= is legacy linking support purely to facilitate old blog entries. it'll render, but will otherwise be unsupported
1456695;1461456914;mircea_popescu;without actual line selection ?
1456696;1461456928;phf;line selection works
1456697;1461456935;phf;(click on that url above)
1456698;1461456937;mircea_popescu;aite, ima look into this later a bit.
1456699;1461456942;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456693 << yeah..
1456700;1461456942;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 00:12 mircea_popescu: btw, as a curio,. anyone can actually read the two men's dialogue ?
1456701;1461456956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do tell ?
1456702;1461456979;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at least i think i did.
1456703;1461456990;mircea_popescu;that's what i'm curious about.
1456704;1461457011;asciilifeform;'what if there's two' 'not that type' etc
1456705;1461457020;asciilifeform;'pick one'
1456706;1461457025;asciilifeform;notsohard
1456707;1461457037;asciilifeform;and has just the right flavour.
1456708;1461457079;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456694 << i still dun see why it had to be changed at all...
1456709;1461457079;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 00:14 phf: i'm basically going to leave things as is. /log/?date= is legacy linking support purely to facilitate old blog entries. it'll render, but will otherwise be unsupported
1456710;1461457087;asciilifeform;old format worked fine
1456711;1461457091;mircea_popescu;nb ya.
1456712;1461457131;asciilifeform;phf: whereas now half the time i can't make a correct link when i want one
1456713;1461457167;phf;asciilifeform: well, you suffer for my lazines
1456714;1461457244;phf;log reader was written way before b/t split, and was using y-m-d from very beginning because that's what i'm used to for 10-15 years now since reading naggum's "history of time"
1456715;1461457983;mircea_popescu;"Thirty six year old Danny Manupassa is alleged to have been running the network and has ordered him to be held 14 days while police search for actual evidence of criminal activity on the network. " << odd grammar.
1456716;1461458105;mircea_popescu;anyway, the lulzy crime of "not being squishy enough".
1456717;1461458133;mircea_popescu;organizedcrimeterrorismmoneylaunderingchildpornographydoubleplusungood.
1456718;1461458223;asciilifeform;squishy?
1456719;1461458278;mircea_popescu;incompetent, if you will.
1456720;1461458307;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean fat donut chewer couldn't defeat superman ? IS SUPERMAN A TERRORIST ????"
1456721;1461458334;mircea_popescu;"organized crime, any activity too complex to be comprehended by highschool dropouts equipped with the latest version of excel"
1456722;1461458346;mircea_popescu;you know, exactly like before.
1456723;1461458365;asciilifeform;hey, comprehended enough to find the fella and gas?
1456724;1461459049;mircea_popescu;so far it reads as exactly nothing more than "burn the witch, though we did do the nose"
1456725;1461459502;*;asciilifeform has nfi, hears of the thing for first time
1456726;1461461843;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, megaclassic, http://cr.yp.to/qmail/qmailsec-20071101.pdf
1456727;1461461868;asciilifeform;^ bernstein's replacement for sendmail.
1456728;1461461885;asciilifeform;where he 'fits in head'.
1456729;1461468727;BingoBoingo; not unless they're nude. << And NOT Kim now that she's just fat.
1456730;1461468908;BingoBoingo; "what do you mean fat donut chewer couldn't defeat superman ? IS SUPERMAN A TERRORIST ????" << Apparently he has been for a decade or so.
1456731;1461469674;BingoBoingo;Huh, apparently Apple let some Chinese into my old unused "Apple ID" account.
1456732;1461470269;BingoBoingo;If, that email address even had one...
1456733;1461470449;BingoBoingo;The slants as Apple's confused idea of me downloaded: 天天萌萌消2016魔法经典版(正版授权) - 糖果星球连连看,每天不停消消消!单机免费免流量也能开心玩的消除小游戏!
1456734;1461470479;BingoBoingo;Which Google translates to: Meng Meng magic every day cancellation 2016 Classic Edition (Genuine licensed) - Candy Planet Lianliankan, eliminate kept Diminshing day! Free single free flow can be happy to play elimination games!
1456735;1461470901;BingoBoingo;This is substantial hassle for having dared to try redeeming an itunes gift card 11 years ago.
1456736;1461477198;mircea_popescu;lol
1456737;1461482136;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What is it about April? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/24/what-is-it-about-april/
1456738;1461501521;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4g6u85/1btcxe_ripped_me_off/ <<< Now he has more time to study in English class and learn proper paragraph structure and such.
1456739;1461509193;mircea_popescu;in other news http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/we_made_him_watch_7608.jpg
1456740;1461509501;shinohai;^ 403
1456741;1461509527;phf;(not for me)
1456742;1461509547;shinohai;I had to remove "static"
1456743;1461510677;mircea_popescu;;;ud shaonu
1456744;1461510678;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
1456745;1461510696;mircea_popescu;hm.
1456746;1461510705;mircea_popescu;;;ud shao-nu
1456747;1461510706;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
1456748;1461510739;mircea_popescu;eh internet what fucking good are you.
1456749;1461510758;mircea_popescu;weren't you supposed to bring cultures together in the sense of inter-referential recontextualization you little bitch you.
1456750;1461511155;BingoBoingo;That's not that internet, that's just tubblr
1456751;1461513001;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o ya ? find me if you will thefucking text of wilhelm's 1908 daily telegraph interview
1456752;1461513120;BingoBoingo;Seems to just be snippets https://archive.is/APHo
1456753;1461513125;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1456754;1461513126;phf;https://archive.org/details/jstor-20665611
1456755;1461513177;mircea_popescu;o hey check out phf. nice.
1456756;1461513242;mircea_popescu;i'll have to remember to only whine about this at parties and other safe havens away from earshot.
1456757;1461513756;deedbot;[Trilema] The Chosen - http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
1456758;1461514121;mircea_popescu;$up indoor_jellyfish
1456759;1461514123;deedbot;indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes.
1456760;1461514198;*;indoor_jellyfish is gabriel_laddel
1456761;1461514209;mircea_popescu;phf have you read that thing btw ? it is nothing but inept commentary.
1456762;1461514258;*;asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
1456763;1461514275;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456757 << lulzy.
1456764;1461514275;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 16:02 deedbot: [Trilema] The Chosen - http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
1456765;1461514299;mircea_popescu;"Quickness to take insult and feel honor insulted is no longer considered the only or even the proper manner in which a nation
1456766;1461514300;mircea_popescu;may show itself great and self-respecting and heroic. Much more of the new virtue is of course greatly needed ; but there is enough in sight already to indi- cate clearly in what direction the world, the family of nations, the community of peoples, is moving, in
1456767;1461514300;mircea_popescu;spite of sensational newspapers, jingo blusterings and over-talkative rulers. For this let us be sincerely grateful.
1456768;1461514300;mircea_popescu;Women and Peace.
1456769;1461514302;mircea_popescu;blablablala"
1456770;1461514308;mircea_popescu;teh fambly of nations.
1456771;1461514335;asciilifeform;did we even know, they had shannonizer in 1908...
1456772;1461514426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the interview in question is pretty funny in the whole gaddafi line, because it is EXACTLY the brits poking the dog so it may bite so it may be killed. and the dog is like "wtf is wrong with you people ?"
1456773;1461514439;mircea_popescu;and "the people" are like o noes he insulted womanhood!
1456774;1461514493;asciilifeform;this, i think, is well-known ?
1456775;1461514498;asciilifeform;germany as kicked dog.
1456776;1461514501;mircea_popescu;not by the internet.
1456777;1461514508;asciilifeform;(rechargeable kicked dog, no less)
1456778;1461514516;mircea_popescu;is not possible for the internet to know anything, apparently, outside of inane details of the valley of venus.
1456779;1461514699;mircea_popescu;this whole construction is very well understood in marital terms. inept husbands try to treat the wife as another man, and reason with her in that manner, which works about as well as it worked for historical germany.
1456780;1461514835;mircea_popescu;admitting this notion of equality that reduces to equivalence pretty much guarantees failure, which is why they keep insisting with it, obviously.
1456781;1461514888;mircea_popescu;derpy wilhelm trying to actually "give assurances" and wondering why the shrew keeps nagging unabated. doh.
1456782;1461514914;mircea_popescu;then the nazis took the other tack - gave exactly nothing while goebbels outshrewed the shrews in nagging, and as a result the whole fucking thing came apart.
1456783;1461514919;phf;hilarious, you can find durpy commentary from boston same year, but not the original
1456784;1461514940;mircea_popescu;phf aha.
1456785;1461514947;asciilifeform;http://mysummerofsatoshis.website << hilarious sp4mz0r linkfarm shitpit BUT has qntra rss built in ...
1456786;1461514977;mircea_popescu;lotsa these asciilifeform an' fyi if you remove the http part it doesn't link
1456787;1461514993;shinohai;my eyes
1456788;1461514994;asciilifeform;waiwut
1456789;1461514995;asciilifeform;where
1456790;1461515009;mircea_popescu;mysummerofsatoshis.website
1456791;1461515011;asciilifeform;ah
1456792;1461515037;shinohai;Looks like someone went to the geocities school of coding.
1456793;1461515046;phf;google archive has oct 27, 1908, but not oct 28 :o
1456794;1461515066;mircea_popescu;the coincidences sure do pile.
1456795;1461515106;asciilifeform;hey the brits ~still~ deny the lusitania thing
1456796;1461515114;asciilifeform;ditto americans - the 'maine'
1456797;1461515348;mircea_popescu;phf did you find all the inept psychanalizing yet btw ? german side, english side, hatred of mother, bla bla ?
1456798;1461515363;phf;possibly behind paywall http://gale.cengage.co.uk/home/telegraph-archive.aspx
1456799;1461515364;mircea_popescu;it's incredible what the people who don't have the time to preserve historical documents nevertheless find time for.
1456800;1461515468;mircea_popescu;"only available with slip from hitler" ?
1456801;1461515475;phf;aye
1456802;1461515480;phf;Trials and pricing for individual users is not currently available. For comments or suggestions on collections you think might benefit individual researchers, please email: emea.galereply@cengage.com
1456803;1461515481;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/724273695712272384
1456804;1461515497;mircea_popescu;not about to encourage that bs.
1456805;1461515498;BingoBoingo;". @rabite fanfic by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
"
1456806;1461515501;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only available from 'спецхран' !11111
1456807;1461515532;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wonder if u.s. loc has it.
1456808;1461515551;mircea_popescu;obviously every library with the newspaper has it, but i was discussing the intershit.
1456809;1461515571;asciilifeform;not so obviously. i've found gaps.
1456810;1461515575;mircea_popescu;"oh no, it is so valuable FOR HUMAN THOUGHT!!!1!!1 what will we do if it goes away"
1456811;1461515600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol, yeah, maybe someone cut a hole in that day's edition all over the world. suddenly we have a whole mystery novel on our hands
1456812;1461515641;asciilifeform;actually simpler than you think. most of the microfilm in american libs was supplied from just a few reproduction houses, and they in turn, from the orig publisher
1456813;1461515652;phf;i think google newspapers archive comes from their library digitizing project, so quite possible that the copy is not easily accessible. this telegraph archive gives the bit as "highlight" so they are perhaps aware of their position
1456814;1461515653;asciilifeform;it isn't as if library has own monkey scanning physical fishwrap.
1456815;1461515665;asciilifeform;for 100 yrs.
1456816;1461515686;mircea_popescu;phf to me that seems very much bait-and-switchy. if i were to judge, it'd make me guess they do not have it.
1456817;1461515716;asciilifeform;copyrast back-catalogues have ~same relation to the actuality as 'winamp' playlists had to '90s w4r3z.
1456818;1461515743;asciilifeform;(who remembers, how derps posted 'playlists' !!)
1456819;1461515749;mircea_popescu;myea
1456820;1461515774;phf;first hit for "telegraph archive umd" gives http://lib.guides.umd.edu/c.php?g=326561&p=2197286 "slavery in maryland" since you guys appreciate that sort of snark
1456821;1461515793;mircea_popescu;alf's picture on the cover ?
1456822;1461515842;phf;have to be this shade percentage to qualify
1456823;1461515875;mircea_popescu;oh i forgot, the irish slaves don't count, it's only congo that's on the vip list.
1456824;1461516253;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, this wilhelm being the original architect of the holocaust - not only by proposing that the correct response to "the nuisance" would be an all-worlds (ie, new and old) pogrom "a la Russe", but even by indicating gas!)
1456825;1461516358;phf;is that same interview or elsewhere?
1456826;1461516379;mircea_popescu;letter to mackensen, part of romanian folklore.
1456827;1461516422;mircea_popescu;mackensen was staying in bucharest at the time.
1456828;1461518722;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
1456829;1461518722;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 16:10 asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
1456830;1461521412;deedbot;[Qntra] Failing Radioactive Waste Tanks At Hanford Site Put Pacific Coast On Edge - http://qntra.net/2016/04/failing-radioactive-waste-tanks-at-hanford-site-put-pacific-coast-on-edge/
1456831;1461521430;BingoBoingo;^re: dreamer tanks
1456832;1461522214;mircea_popescu;lol
1456833;1461522594;BingoBoingo;I mean what, it's only a few hundred Fukushima's worth of waste?
1456834;1461522633;mircea_popescu;no it's good like fluoride, strengthens teeth
1456835;1461522640;mircea_popescu;only if niggers do it is bad. or
1456836;1461522652;mircea_popescu;whatever you call the non-us people these days, i think it's not niggers anymore, maybe.
1456837;1461522780;BingoBoingo;Cucking on Steroids https://archive.is/wxoti
1456838;1461522822;BingoBoingo;"When we met with the NEDC, we were again faced with the question of what ethnicity we would choose for our adopted embryos. We wanted additional siblings to feel connected to our first two children racially, and asked the team at the NEDC if we could be matched with African-American embryos."
1456839;1461523088;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456828 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455993
1456840;1461523088;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 16:38 asciilifeform: it is to be a massive batch factor thing.
1456841;1461523088;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 17:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
1456842;1461523093;asciilifeform;gotta wait for the lot.
1456843;1461523133;asciilifeform;see mega-p4p3r 'How to find smooth parts of integers' (Bernstein) .
1456844;1461523174;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/hoops/
1456845;1461524101;mircea_popescu;o hey prev one even better.
1456846;1461525082;mats;jesus is a helluva drug
1456847;1461525223;shinohai;$b 1
1456848;1461525225;deedbot;$b 1 is not a command.
1456849;1461527226;jurov;hi, coinbr is fixed
1456850;1461527272;jurov;and no, i can't release assets to users every time mpex order vanishes without reason
1456851;1461527293;jurov;if i did that... i would not be doing anything anymore quickly
1456852;1461527390;jurov;(i mean, release assets automatically)
1456853;1461528165;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1456854;1461528436;BingoBoingo;ty jurov
1456855;1461530506;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> Cucking on Steroids https://archive.is/wxoti <<< "my wife and i are anything we wish to pretend like we are. here's why we are currently pretending to be 'white evangelicals' while still transparently being redditard lefties : we're too dumb to realise a world outside of our head exists, and are perfectly happy to live on words."
1456856;1461530605;phf;wtf
1456857;1461530650;mircea_popescu;i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
1456858;1461530673;mircea_popescu;at the time they were of course insufferable, but in the current context they're some of the better parodies available.
1456859;1461530725;phf;my great grandmother called those movies агитка
1456860;1461530744;mircea_popescu;does anyone happen to remember that [chinese i think it was ?] one where the culmination was some sort of productive inefficiency at a truck depot driven by gate congestion, so The Rebel backed up his truck into the compound wall tearing it down like straw (apparently back then the chinese trucks weren\t made out of tin foil) and making a new gate ?
1456861;1461530755;mircea_popescu;i've not been able to locate it, perhaps because i can't remember any words.
1456862;1461530935;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, those were mostly the glory days of soviet cinema, truck caravans with projectors embedded touring the country like a sort of circus act on steroids. the latter "tour bus" / "cocksucker blues" us star worship stuff but a pale copy.
1456863;1461530952;mircea_popescu;i'm pretty sure more moscow children were born in the ural as a result of that cinema push than for any other reason.
1456864;1461531074;BingoBoingo;China still reacting MP's joke about moving there from last year http://chinalawtranslate.com/nsed/
1456865;1461531307;mircea_popescu;the italians had a very similar thing going in the 50s as a result of the state planned "cinecita" in rome. il uomo delle stelle, famously, or stuff like cari fottutissimi amici more obscurely.
1456866;1461531325;mircea_popescu;[discuss it, i mean].
1456867;1461531411;phf;il cinema e l'arma piu forte
1456868;1461531520;phf;come to think of it american 80s movies
1456869;1461531614;phf;it's like best periods in cinema are also effective propaganda, and whatever continues is made by directors who honed their art during propaganda period or else it's унылое говно
1456870;1461531822;mircea_popescu;this being also the argument as to cinema not being art.
1456871;1461531884;mircea_popescu;(also the compete explanation offered privately as to why say pacino is an actor, and norton is a nobody : showed up at wrong time.)
1456872;1461531891;mircea_popescu;competing*
1456873;1461532267;phf;probably why inglorious basteds degenerated into slapstick, tarantino was trying to say something about cinema, propaganda and art and couldn't get the conclusion he wanted
1456874;1461532401;phf;i liked norton until american history x, and i'm glad you wrote a teardown. what a shitty movie.
1456875;1461532748;phf;i knew a handful of skinheads in russia through sambo and while i don't share their views i find the movie preposterous. an urban intelligentisa play-believes a tough guy, gets raped, cries and repents.
1456876;1461532787;mircea_popescu;i honestly expected he'll blow off the charts, he was incredibly talented as a young man
1456877;1461532795;mircea_popescu;a once-in-a-culture thing
1456878;1461532855;mircea_popescu;but yes the fundamental truth behind the propaganda is exactly this cold reality : "nobody wants you, middle class america." tis true, too.
1456879;1461532866;mircea_popescu;not like they can cut themselves a path in jail, suka-style.
1456880;1461532887;mircea_popescu;not like they can cut themselves a path anywhere. today's jews, like 1930s' jews, are headed where the jews go.
1456881;1461533072;shinohai;https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/724346457696907264 <<< lulz, Peter TOdd
1456882;1461533272;mircea_popescu;mind issuing short summaries for the ... most everyone whop's not gonna click on twitter ?
1456883;1461533461;shinohai;Says he was offered a job by spooks to do blockchain analysis
1456884;1461533557;phf;hah, they can't can they. su thieves maintained that support infrastructures of манька's for own purposes, but that's not really a feature of u.s. prison system. i've not actually thought of that
1456885;1461533573;mircea_popescu;it goes a lot deeper, in many ways.
1456886;1461533675;mircea_popescu;consider, where are all the hollywood movies depicting in painstaking detail the lives of the poor tynisha ysais and her boyfriend(s) who offer her sexual services to friends as a matter of course ? where's the dom com about this set of social security cowsies kept by ex highschool footbal kid ? etc ?
1456887;1461533688;mircea_popescu;i know, factually, they exist. they aren't depicted. why not ? "they wouldn't sell ?" gimme a break ?
1456888;1461533726;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, think from the other perspective : if you were a moderately powerful producer, what the fuck ELSE would you do than exactly this, trying to cash in some holywood clout for some underworld connections ?
1456889;1461533731;mircea_popescu;but no, dumb as bricks these people.
1456890;1461533750;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is 100% what "rap" was all about, and it failed miserably altogether.
1456891;1461533977;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz, http://bidla.net/35457-manka-za-chetkost-vazy-interesuetsya.html
1456892;1461534192;phf;hehe
1456893;1461534251;phf;google images produces all kinds of amazing pictures if you search for that wor
1456894;1461534252;phf;d
1456895;1461534329;mircea_popescu;aha.
1456896;1461534379;mircea_popescu;;;google android nexus
1456897;1461534380;gribble;Nexus - Google: ; Nexus Phones - Android Phones - Google Store: ; Android – Android Phones:
1456898;1461534386;mircea_popescu;mk
1456899;1461534663;ben_vulpes;what is манька ?
1456900;1461534764;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] On the killing of children. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/on-the-killing-of-children/
1456901;1461534891;phf;ben_vulpes: russian has a way to modify words from more formal to less formal using more or less standard rules for changing the root and adding suffixes
1456902;1461534930;phf;Man'ka is a form of Man'ya is a form of the name Maria
1456903;1461534970;phf;so it's an informal, familiar and vaguely above-to-below way of addressing anyone named maria
1456904;1461535078;mircea_popescu;the reason the images are so lulzy (mostly in the dumb blonde line) is because without further explanation, it can readily be "dumb girl mary"
1456905;1461535103;mircea_popescu;romanian does the same thing, through a wide array of diminutives.
1456906;1461535118;phf;right, that's basically enough to explain images
1456907;1461535127;ben_vulpes;gotcha
1456908;1461535131;ben_vulpes;ty!
1456909;1461535173;mircea_popescu;and since we're on it... tachanka... tanklet.
1456910;1461535185;phf;but my specific use in text comes from the fact that su thieves were using that kind of forms of popular girl names to address their male bitches
1456911;1461535217;phf;which after a while was adopted into argot as a term for a passive homosexual
1456912;1461535224;mircea_popescu;phf by suka i meant specifically, the set of stalin-pardoned thieves
1456913;1461535228;mircea_popescu;as in suka wars.
1456914;1461535233;phf;oh oh oh
1456915;1461535241;mircea_popescu;underclass, at least originally.
1456916;1461535248;mircea_popescu;obviously, softer material than their persecutors
1456917;1461535251;mircea_popescu;at least originally.
1456918;1461535277;mircea_popescu;numbers can win any contest, provided work-hardening is on the table. but if the material doesn't work-harden, there's no hope in numbers. au contraire.
1456919;1461535293;mircea_popescu;and ustards somehow inexplicably work-soften.
1456920;1461535399;ben_vulpes;what has been "working" the ustards?
1456921;1461535414;mircea_popescu;rent, for instance.
1456922;1461535439;mircea_popescu;thugs and muggings, at the hand of either white dudes dressed in blue or black dudes dressed in those weird ankle pants they wear.
1456923;1461535468;mircea_popescu;lafond's entire blog is all about this, "look one and all, come and gaze upon the incredibru frozen shitball - the more you work it, the soft it gets!"
1456924;1461535478;mircea_popescu;softer*
1456925;1461535511;phf;(i was amused because i thought you were saying that usians don't even have a bitch-track in prison)
1456926;1461535530;mircea_popescu;they do, but their relations are about sensuality rather than power.
1456927;1461535553;mircea_popescu;which is pretty fucking inane, but whatever.
1456928;1461535600;ben_vulpes;the "dreamers"?
1456929;1461535609;mircea_popescu;[incidentally, saying that some vory ACTUALLY ENJOYS fucking some mary in the ass would have been a pretty serious insult]
1456930;1461535612;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i guess so.
1456931;1461535683;ben_vulpes;relatedly, i get a kick out of learning which 'business owners' keep seperate books for tax and internal accounting and which do not.
1456932;1461535708;mircea_popescu;as a proxy for "which will still be around in a decade vs which will discover drugs" ?
1456933;1461535839;ben_vulpes;proxy for all sorts of thing, but the entertainment comes from contrasting that bit of information with public comportment
1456934;1461535846;mircea_popescu;i bet.
1456935;1461536011;BingoBoingo;And the new ownership still has yet to do anything with BitBet
1456936;1461536044;mircea_popescu;pretty odd if you think about it.
1456937;1461536074;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
1456938;1461536220;mircea_popescu;in other wtf, wtf has lovecraft found "licentious" in fucking whitman ?! really, ovid's filth without his grace ? wut ?
1456939;1461536301;mircea_popescu;martial ftw, owns both their asses.
1456940;1461536334;mircea_popescu;"pedicatur eros, fellat linus ; centenis futuit matho, milibus. ole, quid ad te ?"
1456941;1461536557;phf;hehe, i remember that one because of the refrain, "ole, quid ad te"
1456942;1461536721;mircea_popescu;what about tibi summe rheni domnitor ?
1456943;1461536902;phf;i feel like that one resonates in some ru translation, тебе, смиритель рейна
1456944;1461536968;phf;other one was exchanged amongst latin reading classmates in the original
1456945;1461537016;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many usian kids exchanged such.
1456946;1461537046;phf;kids with their internets will never find the joy of finding racy chapters in the "The Great Library of Foreign Literature (unabridged special edition)"
1456947;1461537054;phf;*never know
1456948;1461537093;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1456949;1461537097;gribble;Current Blocks: 408780 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1456950;1461537120;asciilifeform;ahahaha where do you find 'internet: uncensored edition' aha...
1456951;1461537178;phf;or for that matter trying to power through ars amatoria in search of wisdom relevant to talking to girls :D
1456952;1461537336;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456857 <<< 'производственный роман'
1456953;1461537336;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 20:44 mircea_popescu: i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
1456954;1461537345;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1456955;1461537361;asciilifeform;roughly, 'industrial romance', genre mercifully nonexistent in engl.
1456956;1461537379;mircea_popescu;as of yet.
1456957;1461537395;mircea_popescu;of course, they have chick lit, which is pretty much the same thinger.
1456958;1461537395;asciilifeform;it was a thing.
1456959;1461537407;asciilifeform;minus the industry
1456960;1461537449;mircea_popescu;yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
1456961;1461537512;asciilifeform;and of 'office politic' !1111
1456962;1461537519;mircea_popescu;that's a subset neh ?
1456963;1461537559;asciilifeform;i realize now that i have never actually seen a chicklit.
1456964;1461537569;mircea_popescu;chick lit : "romance" g-g-b type settings, where the bff g is entirely castrated ; procedurals of various types ; "romance" of the fish-out-of-water and other exotica type ; "suffering" type.
1456965;1461537573;asciilifeform;only know 3rdhand.
1456966;1461537592;mircea_popescu;anything with kirsten wiig , enjoy. you'll thank me later :D
1456967;1461537663;phf;i wonder if anne rice qualifies
1456968;1461537668;mircea_popescu;older derps go for crapolade a la "bridges of madison country" ; socially awkward derps go for a spectrum between "ER" and "sex in the city" ; younguns watch ineptitudes more varied.
1456969;1461537675;mircea_popescu;which one is that again ?
1456970;1461537697;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456891 << wut
1456971;1461537697;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 21:39 mircea_popescu: but in other lulz, http://bidla.net/35457-manka-za-chetkost-vazy-interesuetsya.html
1456972;1461537704;phf;she did the vampire chronicles, with the most famous one being interview with the vampire
1456973;1461537715;mircea_popescu;oh the gothic fiction. yeah. prolly better quality cunts than the norm.
1456974;1461537785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was spared all of this somehow..
1456975;1461537838;mircea_popescu;well somehow. you're not an anthropologist. as a result, you don't have the ability to pick any random culture you wish
1456976;1461537852;mircea_popescu;nor a general spiteful distance from all of them.
1456977;1461537869;asciilifeform;eh the latter still worx
1456978;1461537917;asciilifeform;realize, almost every named ustardism mircea_popescu digs up, i end up having to look up
1456979;1461537952;asciilifeform;my containment forcefield is strong.
1456980;1461538139;BingoBoingo;Not that contained if you recognize Stallman
1456981;1461538185;asciilifeform;i even recognize ballmer.
1456982;1461538191;asciilifeform;whatofit.
1456983;1461538228;*;asciilifeform sings, 'developersdevelopers....!'
1456984;1461538317;phf;well, not even a decenarian math containment then
1456985;1461538332;asciilifeform;unfortunately!
1456986;1461538419;asciilifeform;barely unarian here.
1456987;1461538812;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1456988;1461538819;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 459.46, vol: 7032.85634075 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 445.326, vol: 6228.31103 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 462.62, vol: 23810.28536807 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.86659632 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 457.249212, vol: 39131.51200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 460.0, vol: 1118.80508256 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 464.07105, vol: 65.16357398 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1456989;1461538821;BingoBoingo;;;more
1456990;1461538821;gribble;458.188298773
1456991;1461539463;mats;it rises
1456992;1461539616;BingoBoingo;So much for stabilitit
1456993;1461540164;mircea_popescu;the most amusing thing re ustards is, the sheer volume of NAMED entities they need to produce as much as a paragraph
1456994;1461540180;mircea_popescu;it's ridiculous, at this rate the language will be mostly nouns before the century is out.
1456995;1461540306;mats;name droppers are the worst
1456996;1461540445;mircea_popescu;yeah, on one end of the spectrum. on the other, the very fucking grammar changes, with a lot of "the x of y" constructions, verbing of nouns, periphrase-by-metaphor and all sorts of weird.
1456997;1461540517;mats;it was all 'my mentor is now SVP at IBM', 'my cube-mate went on to work for former Intel CEO some-guy-i-don't-care-about', 'i learned so much working with the board at Silicon Valley Bank' at every tech, bidness conference i have ever been to
1456998;1461540557;mats;i should create a bingo card
1456999;1461540558;mircea_popescu;there was a peculiar "I am the X-approved candidate for Y supported by K L and M according to token Q and item W" idiocy i saved somewhere, lemme dig it up.
1457000;1461540581;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/culture-shock-ama/
1457001;1461540585;mircea_popescu;"i am derp endorsed by fluke"
1457002;1461540693;mircea_popescu;(he lost).
1457003;1461540713;phf;also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-02#1359238
1457004;1461540713;a111;Logged on 2016-01-02 20:21 phf: i like how the first one uses protective incantations. "henceforth and therefore ipso facto ... DATABASES!"
1457005;1461540715;asciilifeform;holy shit, mircea_popescu never played wingcommander?!
1457006;1461540727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was never into real-time anything.
1457007;1461540756;mircea_popescu;i had manic miner and ~never played it, for instance.
1457008;1461540780;asciilifeform;space war thing
1457009;1461540790;asciilifeform;by 'origin'
1457010;1461540796;mircea_popescu;actually 3do i thought ?
1457011;1461540811;mircea_popescu;anyway. liked f-19 but never played that muych either. just... rt not my cup.
1457012;1461540832;asciilifeform;http://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/w/wing-commander-7ys/wing-commander_13.gif
1457013;1461540840;asciilifeform;f19 rocked.
1457014;1461540894;asciilifeform;we played on 'iskra' , it had cga clone but weird green mono display, made for some strange colours
1457015;1461540902;phf;http://www.abandonia.com/files/games/3750/F-19%20Stealth%20Fighter_5.png
1457016;1461540917;mircea_popescu;i mostly liked the bar scenes
1457017;1461540929;asciilifeform;buncha shit was unplayable until my brother wrote tsr util that diddled the video board when magic key hit
1457018;1461540966;asciilifeform;it went to the 1bit mono mode where the cga colour turned into dither
1457019;1461540981;asciilifeform;made for 'trippy' memory of the gamez
1457020;1461541054;asciilifeform;phf: ahahaha!
1457021;1461541060;asciilifeform;yes!
1457022;1461541065;phf;oddly enough i've never played any games that involved flying
1457023;1461541102;mircea_popescu;the ~only game made by classical microsoft (the shitshow that was trying to get windows 3.1 to be something) was a "flight simulator"
1457024;1461541120;mircea_popescu;about as bad as the shit apple came up with in the same period, you'd just look at it and wonder wtf is this
1457025;1461541131;mircea_popescu;i enjoyed it for this purpose.
1457026;1461541145;asciilifeform;we had a joystick, funnily, but it never worked, brother bought it at outdoor blackmarket, we could find no port to plug it in 'iskra'. then in usa we ended up with 'commodore' and guess what - that thing fit...
1457027;1461541195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure ms flight was written by 1 guy and they purchased it
1457028;1461541219;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Ms._magazine_Cover_-_Spring-Summer_2012.jpg << actually, also lulzy.
1457029;1461541228;mircea_popescu;check out the aspiring triteness.
1457030;1461541254;asciilifeform;lel thats a chik?!
1457031;1461541269;mircea_popescu;boxcar pushing face > 9000
1457032;1461541404;mircea_popescu;(she also lost)
1457033;1461541565;asciilifeform;lost what ?
1457034;1461541822;mircea_popescu;ran as democrat for cali seat in congress
1457035;1461545329;mats;but does s.nsa live or die? this is the question burning in my chest
1457036;1461547828;ben_vulpes;mats: re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453901 ?
1457037;1461547828;a111;Logged on 2016-04-19 21:54 mircea_popescu: mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may.
1457038;1461547842;mats;yes
1457039;1461547937;ben_vulpes;phuctor is phucking nao, mircea_popescu sounds pleased or at least entertained, so i imagine it's bought a stay from the divestment for a quarter...
1457040;1461548586;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/xxi
1457041;1461548586;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1457042;1461549440;shinohai;^ Doesn't look too promising BingoBoingo, I my redact that and call bullshit
1457043;1461549495;BingoBoingo;k
1457044;1461549562;shinohai;*sigh*
1457045;1461549744;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Not phucking yet, just phorplay getting hard for phucking
1457046;1461549753;danielpbarron;lol
1457047;1461549851;asciilifeform;mats et al: there are two s.nsa's. there is the mpex asset, which you were prolly asking about, and there is my actual work, which is to 0 extent actually enabled by the ~450 btc in the piggy, and will continue even if mircea_popescu one day drums me out of the chan
1457048;1461549862;asciilifeform;mats: i cannot answer for the former, i have 0 control of it.
1457049;1461549898;asciilifeform;mats: i assume you learned something from the bbet story.
1457050;1461550019;asciilifeform;(it is no mega-seekrit that mircea_popescu and i disagree on 1,001 things, yet he keep inviting me places. for the time being at least.)
1457051;1461550650;mircea_popescu;mats i'd expect it to live neh ?
1457052;1461550694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do we disagree on anyway ?
1457053;1461550699;asciilifeform;i fuhget.
1457054;1461550705;asciilifeform;possibly, re which hole.
1457055;1461550714;asciilifeform;i confess i prefer the front.
1457056;1461550774;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2733B86097560BCE3C9963877120335071F0F9739CB8D0CEA29C6FF128D9713B << ahahahaha, sba.gov
1457057;1461550790;asciilifeform;the poor unloved '3-letter'
1457058;1461550803;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it depend on the manjka in question ?
1457059;1461550824;asciilifeform;i've no use for the convex ones
1457060;1461550847;asciilifeform;they can feed pirannhas ferallicare.
1457061;1461550854;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/pnkpx << in other unrelated lulws. web 2.0 invents its new, physics defying maffs!
1457062;1461550897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456909 << in point of fact not quite. really, dim. of тачка, wheelbarrow.
1457063;1461550897;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 21:59 mircea_popescu: and since we're on it... tachanka... tanklet.
1457064;1461550929;asciilifeform;the 'tanklet' existed also! танкетка, tanquette, or what in english world is called 'midget tank'
1457065;1461550931;mircea_popescu;jus' one of the rare cases where english diminutive obviously wurx
1457066;1461550945;asciilifeform;as in the famous jp midget tankz
1457067;1461550966;mats;i didn't learn anything from the s.bbet story, no
1457068;1461551000;mats;hoped to sign on one day, to contribute to either s.nsa
1457069;1461551010;asciilifeform;mats: that 'phriendship iz magick' or, in other words, you can't make the other kid give you the chicken
1457070;1461551023;asciilifeform;nor ought to try
1457071;1461551037;mircea_popescu;interesting aesop.
1457072;1461551063;asciilifeform;it's a fable from the fables of mircea_popescuaesop
1457073;1461551069;asciilifeform;somewhere in recent trilema article.
1457074;1461551163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you're telling me that there's no possible configuration, context or circumstance in which you'd rather fuck girl in ass, ever, period.
1457075;1461551179;asciilifeform;not that i can presently think of.
1457076;1461551187;mircea_popescu;what if she's really good at it ?
1457077;1461551189;asciilifeform;'drill own hole' almost comes ahead.
1457078;1461551201;mircea_popescu;suppose in some way you end up in possession of a world-renowned female for ther buttlove skills.
1457079;1461551204;asciilifeform;then.
1457080;1461551214;mircea_popescu;this differing is quite unsubstantial.
1457081;1461551257;mircea_popescu;(anyone grinned at the ever, period pun ?)
1457082;1461551517;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods << 1552
1457083;1461551535;asciilifeform;creeps up by 1-2/min.
1457084;1461551538;asciilifeform;pretty steady.
1457085;1461551572;asciilifeform;in other 'news', http://imgur.com/4nqeK3A << in a museum (hands on right hand side are of pet). one of the machines on exhibit was gettable into
1457086;1461551581;asciilifeform;it was interesting, thing was really no more complicated than a motorbike
1457087;1461551601;asciilifeform;whole thing was moved by steel cables that you could actually ~see~ and grab, right in the cockpit
1457088;1461551618;asciilifeform;and could see all through fuselage (original, unmolested) all the way where they led into wing & tail.
1457089;1461551638;asciilifeform;there were literally no hidden parts but for the motor, which was a very modest 80 hp thing
1457090;1461551646;asciilifeform;i wonder if davout ever went up in a machine like this
1457091;1461551659;mircea_popescu;and if you didn't play the harp just so, could very well end up fulfilling that motor's lawnmowing destiny.
1457092;1461551666;asciilifeform;naturally!
1457093;1461551710;mircea_popescu;(computing engineering and airplane engineer have a lot in common - the fully visible thing is a security and maintenance thing. just like bash.)
1457094;1461551726;asciilifeform;i found the thing incredibly appealing.
1457095;1461551735;mircea_popescu;and for this very reason no doubt.
1457096;1461551738;asciilifeform;aha.
1457097;1461551946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo would approve of the old wood'n'cardboard'n'tinfoil airplanes - no lardarse could go up in it
1457098;1461551973;asciilifeform;nor could atrophied muscle steer it
1457099;1461552027;asciilifeform;and, witness, pre-bureaucracy artifact - no radio in there
1457100;1461552082;asciilifeform;i feel hardly any envy for the joe stack folks of today, who spend an hour filling out forms for every 2 flown
1457101;1461552129;asciilifeform;and pay for petrol what its litrage in whiskey costs
1457102;1461552310;asciilifeform;the 'ercoupe' thing in the background is interesting. i live not so far from where the old 'erco' factory was, where the things were made. it was, iirc, a plane with simplified controls and extremely stable dynamics, for lamers to fly. sold like hotcakes, until the bottom fell out of the market in '47
1457103;1461552314;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: quite quite, and i loled at phoreplay
1457104;1461552328;asciilifeform;for a while folks really thought 'plane was the next car'
1457105;1461552367;asciilifeform;i still think that small planes were bureaucratically strangled to avoid threatening the real estate racket.
1457106;1461552394;ben_vulpes;air traffic control on the scale of car-economy would be an utter nightmare
1457107;1461552402;asciilifeform;(if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
1457108;1461552442;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: much of the complexity comes from the paucity of airport
1457109;1461552455;asciilifeform;ups the density.
1457110;1461552473;ben_vulpes;granted
1457111;1461552486;ben_vulpes;consider relative velocities and arc seconds involved tho
1457112;1461552491;asciilifeform;ideal, obviously, is not 'every derp flies'
1457113;1461552491;ben_vulpes;relative to car infrastructure
1457114;1461552505;ben_vulpes;0, 1, inf
1457115;1461552530;ben_vulpes;you just proposed essentially every derp flying.
1457116;1461552537;asciilifeform;nope.
1457117;1461552555;ben_vulpes;dentists at least, which is every derp in my book.
1457118;1461552558;asciilifeform;just the folks who can afford 80 hp flying. which ~ought~ to be a few %.
1457119;1461552561;asciilifeform;in sane planet.
1457120;1461552575;ben_vulpes;that is still a *lot* of atc.
1457121;1461552594;ben_vulpes;again, arc-seconds and velocity.
1457122;1461552652;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm quite convinced that the difficulties of air traffic are artificial.
1457123;1461552656;asciilifeform;the 'corridors', for instance.
1457124;1461552660;asciilifeform;utterly unnecessary.
1457125;1461552696;asciilifeform;usg packs them into tiny space, then yes, clearly, usg control is 'necessary' to keep'em from colliding.
1457126;1461552701;asciilifeform;classic self-licking icecream cone.
1457127;1461552746;asciilifeform;consider,
1457128;1461552751;asciilifeform;the 1920s-40s EXISTED
1457129;1461552770;asciilifeform;and your grandparents - were not flattened by falling derps in their cardboard flyingcoffins.
1457130;1461552776;asciilifeform;why do you suppose not ?
1457131;1461552813;ben_vulpes;falling derps is not the problem, it's collisions unavoidable due to relative speeds and human inability to a) perceive and b) react in time
1457132;1461552834;asciilifeform;collisions with what ?
1457133;1461552847;asciilifeform;with the treeline at the runway ? let'em.
1457134;1461552860;ben_vulpes;individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
1457135;1461552892;ben_vulpes;"oh but they would all live in the country with nobody around and each with their own runway!"
1457136;1461552902;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha.
1457137;1461552918;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is quite enough space in the martian-desert states for this.
1457138;1461552923;asciilifeform;run the numberz.
1457139;1461552927;ben_vulpes;you have a bridge too, right?
1457140;1461552948;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the bridge is for sale in nyc
1457141;1461552970;ben_vulpes;the shares though, you have some
1457142;1461552990;asciilifeform;in brooklyn bridge?!
1457143;1461553017;asciilifeform;lelz
1457144;1461553107;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456960 << if the folks showing up to 'job where there is only paycheque' were taken off the board, there would be quite enough room even on motherfucking 'beltway' (infamously congested road circling washington)
1457145;1461553107;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 22:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
1457146;1461553118;asciilifeform;not even speaking of the air.
1457147;1461553130;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457107 << it would, yes. notice that even if the town has bus service, a TWO order of magnitude difference between what a meal costs appears reasonable even to idiots.
1457148;1461553130;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 02:46 asciilifeform: (if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
1457149;1461553173;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457108 ~all , actually. pretty fucking hard to get two things to collide outside of the very narrow approach lanes
1457150;1461553173;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 02:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: much of the complexity comes from the paucity of airport
1457151;1461553176;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa you will generally not find respectable folkz in bus.
1457152;1461553187;asciilifeform;back when i rode in buses, i was usually the only white face aboard.
1457153;1461553189;mircea_popescu;so ?
1457154;1461553199;mircea_popescu;bus exists, fails to make all restaurants cost the same
1457155;1461553208;mircea_popescu;if plane were like bus, it would STILL fail to make all house cost the same.
1457156;1461553222;asciilifeform;naturally hovel with 3 walls would < mega-castle
1457157;1461553227;asciilifeform;but thread was re locations.
1457158;1461553243;asciilifeform;as in, 'costs 10x because near xyz'
1457159;1461553265;mircea_popescu;so the phrasing would change. would the phraseology change please you ?
1457160;1461553265;asciilifeform;anything short of teleporter would naturally not abolish this, and petrol is quite dear, but still.
1457161;1461553275;mircea_popescu;no "because" a mother offers is EVER worth the shit it's written in.
1457162;1461553298;ben_vulpes;lanes are temporal in asciilifeform plane new world
1457163;1461553312;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: '40s ~existed~
1457164;1461553315;ben_vulpes;yes ofc points in 3space nigh impossible to get close to each other
1457165;1461553326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know who loved the 40s more than usians ? argentines.
1457166;1461553336;mircea_popescu;you know why ? for the same reason, let's call it the illinois-indiana reason\
1457167;1461553338;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and people flew where in 40s?
1457168;1461553356;ben_vulpes;other places where one person was landing uncontrolledly at a time?
1457169;1461553365;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: erco alone shipped a few dozen / day just in this town
1457170;1461553370;ben_vulpes;must we rehash 'market' thread?
1457171;1461553376;mircea_popescu;in loving memory of http://trilema.com/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/#comment-117110
1457172;1461553382;ben_vulpes;people go to market for a /reason/
1457173;1461553442;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it isn't that you have no point, but that the 'usgificated air is the best world' is a panglossism.
1457174;1461553463;mircea_popescu;nobody's arguing that, either.
1457175;1461553501;ben_vulpes;yeah dood wtf i'm not saying megaport is only solution
1457176;1461553509;ben_vulpes;only that "planes for dentists" is just as panglossian
1457177;1461553522;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457134 << actually sounds like a very self-resolving problem :D
1457178;1461553522;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 02:54 ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
1457179;1461553525;asciilifeform;why would a dentist need to fly around ?
1457180;1461553534;asciilifeform;generally he works on local folk
1457181;1461553537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because all patients too fat to move ?
1457182;1461553554;ben_vulpes;because if there are highly stable craft the thing approaches golf
1457183;1461553568;ben_vulpes;also dentists fly gliders all the time wtf
1457184;1461553572;ben_vulpes;for /fun/
1457185;1461553582;asciilifeform;ah but for-fun dun happen on 7am weekdayz
1457186;1461553584;asciilifeform;in packs
1457187;1461553593;asciilifeform;nor in crowded city
1457188;1461553600;mircea_popescu;well yes, in fumans hun happens in packs.
1457189;1461553602;ben_vulpes;jesus you really need this spelled out?
1457190;1461553602;asciilifeform;it happens right here
1457191;1461553608;asciilifeform;i live right next to one such place
1457192;1461553611;asciilifeform;where the dentists take off.
1457193;1461553618;asciilifeform;half-to-a-dozen every day.
1457194;1461553620;ben_vulpes;beause dentist is half sane, picks good market, commutes by plane to place
1457195;1461553629;asciilifeform;tiny airfield in middle of nowhere suburb.
1457196;1461553635;ben_vulpes;from mythical cornfield runway
1457197;1461553666;BingoBoingo; from mythical cornfield runway << Quite a few around here
1457198;1461553702;asciilifeform;and it isn't even that the machines are costly, my car, when was new, cost ~= what a gently used 2seater would.
1457199;1461553702;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: in the conversations context ofc, i know they exist and are used by self-dusting farmers
1457200;1461553706;asciilifeform;it is the bureaucracy.
1457201;1461553727;ben_vulpes;yesye
1457202;1461553733;mircea_popescu;might also be the fear of flying.
1457203;1461553743;asciilifeform;wut fear, it's a good death
1457204;1461553755;asciilifeform;where, i ask, is the fear of the car ??
1457205;1461553758;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Also transportation. How else do people in the know go between southern, middle, and western illinois?
1457206;1461553768;asciilifeform;i see smouldering wrecks, and mangled passengers carted away, every day
1457207;1461553830;asciilifeform;iirc if you calc the 'millimorts', the max theoretical lifespan of usian is CAPPED at somewhere like 300 yrs (taken, yes, with eternally unchanging Reich) PURELY by the car.
1457208;1461553853;asciilifeform;asymptotic limit.
1457209;1461553860;ben_vulpes;so ride a bike
1457210;1461553876;ben_vulpes;in a town the auto hasn't ruined
1457211;1461553883;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: doin' what ?
1457212;1461553884;asciilifeform;dentistry ?
1457213;1461553898;asciilifeform;do they even have dentists in such towns
1457214;1461553904;asciilifeform;or still pull teeth by tying to door.
1457215;1461553909;ben_vulpes;yes, plenty, i have been to one recently.
1457216;1461553922;ben_vulpes;if you get your way with hauschwitz it should be academic, barring grocery trips
1457217;1461553922;*;asciilifeform pictures dentist from film 'django'
1457218;1461553937;ben_vulpes;aha yes old east coast joke
1457219;1461553954;ben_vulpes;"west coast! covered wagons, right? have they wired portland for AC yet?"
1457220;1461553996;ben_vulpes;shambala ofc does not exist.
1457221;1461554011;asciilifeform;shangri-la, on other hand !
1457222;1461554013;ben_vulpes;could not possibly, lizard hitler would never allow.
1457223;1461554075;mircea_popescu;you two sound distinctly like retired dentists in florida retirement home.
1457224;1461554099;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: was lucky enough to destroy the things he grew up hating
1457225;1461554118;mircea_popescu;luck ain't got nothing to do with it!
1457226;1461554134;ben_vulpes;can lob mortars from dirigible for weeks
1457227;1461554147;*;mircea_popescu was lucky enough to grow up hating the right things!
1457228;1461554148;ben_vulpes;get real, right parents, right time.
1457229;1461554346;asciilifeform;19 of every 20 derps in the motherfucking cars belong, at best, in servant's quarters
1457230;1461554349;asciilifeform;or in the ground
1457231;1461554356;asciilifeform;and not taking up space on road, in air, in the sea, etc.
1457232;1461554382;mircea_popescu;so are you saying this problem is purely political and technology, be it planes or crochet, won't fix it ?!
1457233;1461554384;mircea_popescu;NO ?!
1457234;1461554390;asciilifeform;aha.
1457235;1461554397;asciilifeform;where did i say 'but now planes suck' !
1457236;1461554405;asciilifeform;the machines, as usual, are not at fault.
1457237;1461554423;mircea_popescu;aha.
1457238;1461554470;asciilifeform;nobody forgot how to make the bicycle cardboard thingies.
1457239;1461554473;asciilifeform;i could make one even now.
1457240;1461554475;asciilifeform;not so hard.
1457241;1461554527;ben_vulpes;bamboocycleta!
1457242;1461554530;asciilifeform;i once knew a fella whose father's house had a peculiar, oblong mark in the brickwork behind garage.
1457243;1461554537;asciilifeform;turned out, old owner built his airplane in there.
1457244;1461554540;ben_vulpes;actual thing in buenos aires
1457245;1461554547;asciilifeform;wouldn't bother to take them wingz off to get it out
1457246;1461554551;asciilifeform;or perhaps he welded them on
1457247;1461554562;asciilifeform;so he took a sledge hammer and demolished plane-shaped hole.
1457248;1461554565;asciilifeform;then bricked, back up.
1457249;1461554582;asciilifeform;sometime during this, the story went, he found his wife dangling from noose in that workshop
1457250;1461554588;asciilifeform;'from neglect'
1457251;1461554594;ben_vulpes;good riddance
1457252;1461554632;asciilifeform;that was the kind of american to respect !111
1457253;1461554689;ben_vulpes;wife should be well occupied with children and drive-by-rodgerings, and if children are a burden american should have neither c nor w
1457254;1461554726;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as genuine neglect. not that i'm proposing it has bearing.
1457255;1461554762;ben_vulpes;as well as genuine assault and rape
1457256;1461554778;mircea_popescu;aha.
1457257;1461554789;asciilifeform;i even saw a man commit genuine jaywalking today.
1457258;1461554837;mod6;Hey all, so I wanted to not only make a list of objectives as we discussed around the 15th, I wanted to also design a very simple ticket system so we can not only have tickets, but perhaps a roadmap with dependencies. I.e. in the way that you have a larger ticket with dependent subtickets. This could help round out a road map to larger 'sagas' like for this july, and 'ideal bitcoin'.
1457259;1461554850;mod6;I created a pipe delimited list: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/10be347b-15b4-41ad-92fc-1036f400f7b7/
1457260;1461554855;mircea_popescu;this is a brilliant idea.
1457261;1461554862;asciilifeform;neato
1457262;1461554867;mod6;And some codeto view this list: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/db661818-43e3-4e63-b4b1-11bb32a148e2/
1457263;1461554879;asciilifeform;can haz this in 80col?
1457264;1461554884;mod6;this code is rough, but its my first working deal.
1457265;1461554896;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, i'm getting there. I'll try to add that soon.
1457266;1461554903;*;asciilifeform reads
1457267;1461554925;mircea_popescu;yeah, ok, this is just the ticket, so to speak.
1457268;1461554925;mod6;this code can be just dropped into say, 't.pl' then `chmod +x t.pl` then `./t.pl tickets.txt`
1457269;1461554944;mircea_popescu;mod6 could this a) be piped to a www page on foundation site b) have a way to ref from here ?
1457270;1461554958;mircea_popescu;some sort of per-item ref.
1457271;1461554970;asciilifeform;that would be mind-bendingly spiffy
1457272;1461554974;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1457273;1461554979;mod6;then it'll print out the full list of tickets. if you run `./t.pl` it'll print out the other available commands. such as "add" "rm" or "edit", inwhich a person can do that, change their own list, sign it, and send it to the ML or whatever for review.
1457274;1461555035;mod6;mircea_popescu: this has crossed my mind, haven't yet thought on it enough to implement anything as of yet. but yeah, something that would be coool --
1457275;1461555050;mod6;was thinking about collaborating somehow with deedbot to make it update the new wiki somehow.
1457276;1461555072;mircea_popescu;mod6 perl can just dump html pages neh ? run it in a subdir and that's that
1457277;1461555091;mircea_popescu;could be interesting if we get a wiki bot also yeah.
1457278;1461555095;mod6;yeah, this is true. just need to marshall it around to somewhere and volla.
1457279;1461555095;mircea_popescu;a sort of bash-bot-on-steroids.
1457280;1461555130;mod6;Also, I wanted to note, that it will print ascii graphs such as: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bb88df2b-d622-4ce6-bc59-db1beb1a0697/
1457281;1461555140;mircea_popescu;we'll end up with #ai eventually at this rate.
1457282;1461555148;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha yes!
1457283;1461555171;mod6;and dot files for svg graphs, but if you want to run this, you need "Graph::Easy" installed. It won't effect you if you don't hvae this installed, unless you try to run the graphing tools - just like V.
1457284;1461555191;mircea_popescu;except if you spew it on www, everyone can see the svgs
1457285;1461555203;mod6;Yes Sir. Sounds like a decent plan there.
1457286;1461555218;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is very nice work right here.
1457287;1461555240;mod6;I'm gonna keep putting some more thigns in there, it's just something I've been playing with since like Friday.
1457288;1461555289;mod6;But, just wanted to give everyone a first look at what is possible here. Please let me know if there is problems or glaring oversights, etc. Thanks in advance.
1457289;1461555306;mod6;Thanks mircea_popescu! Salud!
1457290;1461555333;mircea_popescu;;)
1457291;1461555447;mod6;On a more philosophical level, I did leave off the idea of ticket 'assignment', simply because I didn't want contributors to not think about a ticket just because their name/keyid isn't assigned to the ticket.
1457292;1461555476;mod6;I'm not sure if that was the correct approach, but it "felt right" when I was making that choice.
1457293;1461555483;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1457294;1461555489;mircea_popescu;seems pretty correct.
1457295;1461555596;mod6;Ok, so hopefully will have a much prettier version of this around the end of the month.
1457296;1461555614;mircea_popescu; TYPE: Ideal bitcoin Q3 2017 << :D
1457297;1461555656;mod6;Hahaha, some optimism in there :]
1457298;1461555693;mod6;oh weird. i must have broke something.
1457299;1461555776;mircea_popescu;via phuctor we find that 43-1.org is a thing. then we discover that https://www.43-1.org/~ansgar/apt/
1457300;1461555812;asciilifeform;dilapidated debian mirror ?
1457301;1461555822;mircea_popescu;last touched last month
1457302;1461555843;mircea_popescu;anyway, uses the 35 e for a ssh key.
1457303;1461555860;asciilifeform;lel
1457304;1461556147;mircea_popescu;in other news lovecraft is perhaps the most bombastically incompetent and pompously ungifted literary critic i ever read.
1457305;1461556285;mod6;ok, im a moron, i had my print statements backwards. Here's the updated perl: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/ And the ticket file againhttp://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f7592a15-0f9a-4b8e-b784-9df595e343d9/
1457306;1461556366;mod6;And here's the output correct, with the ticket types appended to the top: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bdf52f96-6e9f-4713-a432-f97e73533a37/
1457307;1461557039;mod6;oh ben_vulpes, just noticed something.
1457308;1461557052;mod6;seems that wotpaste stripped out my "" statements.
1457309;1461557089;mircea_popescu;o.O
1457310;1461557140;mod6;here it is in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/2VFJPX8.txt
1457311;1461557173;mod6;maybe it thought it was an HTML thing
1457312;1461557383;ben_vulpes;waaat
1457313;1461557496;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/?raw=true
1457314;1461557517;ben_vulpes;thanks mod6 i'll get on that
1457315;1461557876;mod6;ahh, ok np.
1457316;1461557899;mod6;i see now, it's in the raw paste, just not the non-raw.
1457317;1461557917;mod6;fwiw, i really like wotpaste tho. works great
1457318;1461585790;jurov;mircea_popescu: mpex accepts orders but won't execute them. some are waiting over 12 hours
1457319;1461587153;asciilifeform;$s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F
1457320;1461587154;deedbot;$s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F is not a command.
1457321;1461587159;asciilifeform;hm
1457322;1461587467;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F466A8D55F9E9363CFC075135A048764B50CA0BAC297EC65670DEE47F06F9752 << nein nein nein nein nein!!111111
1457323;1461587627;shinohai;LOL Hitler
1457324;1461587803;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co
1457325;1461588346;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1C88CD7B5BC8A2338AA2D75C851D5D66E55F225D5C154B651D0861588577DA1 << lol srsly?
1457326;1461589543;punkman;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co << lol nice
1457327;1461596283;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << moar lulz
1457328;1461596387;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64 http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9
1457329;1461596394;asciilifeform;C308E http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << '1 is not prime !'
1457330;1461596397;asciilifeform;oh ffs
1457331;1461596407;*;asciilifeform needs new irctron
1457332;1461596467;asciilifeform;i want to know, in what sewer was born the rat who thought it was acceptable to break lines on nonwhitespace characters.
1457333;1461598990;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 nice work
1457334;1461598991;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1457335;1461599015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform irc message has fixed max length
1457336;1461599022;mircea_popescu;due to... your beloved fucking packet size.
1457337;1461599054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: everyone knows this.
1457338;1461599060;asciilifeform;CLIENT however does not HAVE to be retarded.
1457339;1461599063;mircea_popescu;that's why your thing got cut
1457340;1461599064;asciilifeform;can split on whitechar.
1457341;1461599066;asciilifeform;COULD.
1457342;1461599070;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1457343;1461599073;asciilifeform;aha.
1457344;1461599078;mircea_popescu;hehehehe. i didn't see that one coming.
1457345;1461599200;asciilifeform;and incidentally what's packet size to do with irc, it runs on tcp.
1457346;1461599231;mircea_popescu;i dun recall teh specifix.
1457347;1461599918;mircea_popescu;jurov sorry bout that.
1457348;1461600616;jurov;well..recently even eulora server works better than mpex
1457349;1461600746;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0MW0BQJ.txt
1457350;1461600802;mircea_popescu;wait, eulora is some sort of low mark of server working or something ?
1457351;1461600826;mircea_popescu;$up deedbot-
1457352;1461600829;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1457353;1461600896;phf;ah the crafty double dis
1457354;1461600953;mircea_popescu;someone came from his long weekend all irritated.
1457355;1461601118;mircea_popescu;and in other "let's see who we can piss off today" news, http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117117
1457356;1461601201;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i think i'm coming to an actually correct definition of trolling. trolling is the act of providing needed context separated from the message, in a place where the naive reader (who most needs it) is least likely to find or recognize it.
1457357;1461601210;mircea_popescu;it's a deliberately anti-educational stance.
1457358;1461601224;mircea_popescu;education being obviously the exact opposite of trolling.
1457359;1461601729;jurov;yes eulora server was kinda low mark. then it improved
1457360;1461601866;mircea_popescu;motherfucker
1457361;1461601880;mircea_popescu;so i'm, holding a one pound bag of raisins, "industria argentina" of course,
1457362;1461601892;mircea_popescu;when it decides to fucking split at the seam and now i have raisined kitchen floor ;/
1457363;1461601898;mircea_popescu;who the fuck saves on the fucking bags omfg.
1457364;1461601941;mircea_popescu;this country is too fucking cheap to exist, yet if you talk to the inhabitants you'd think they all hail from the fucking oceanside beaches of southern california.
1457365;1461602007;asciilifeform;betcha that bag was carefully calibrated to split.
1457366;1461602029;asciilifeform;over here in the land of mcphreeeedom we have plastic bagz where you put ONE potato and it sags through...
1457367;1461602050;mircea_popescu;like the soviet ones, what were they called
1457368;1461602054;mircea_popescu;the maybekushka
1457369;1461602071;asciilifeform;whatchatalking about, those didn't split
1457370;1461602074;asciilifeform;they were cloth
1457371;1461602077;mircea_popescu;you said sagged!
1457372;1461602082;asciilifeform;авоська
1457373;1461602093;mircea_popescu;avosjka aha
1457374;1461602132;phf;i cary avoska to stores..
1457375;1461602135;asciilifeform;i had one in usa and until recently carried
1457376;1461602147;mircea_popescu;phf i have shopping slaves. SO THERE!
1457377;1461602165;asciilifeform;lel
1457378;1461602171;phf;make them cary avoskas to stores
1457379;1461602179;mircea_popescu;lolwhy.
1457380;1461602198;phf;чтоб жизнь мёдом не казалась
1457381;1461602202;asciilifeform;^
1457382;1461602226;mircea_popescu;noa lasa.
1457383;1461602301;mircea_popescu;[transylvanian "noa lasa" is this universal thing, like forget about it. not exactly same meaning, but anyway.]
1457384;1461602337;mircea_popescu;diana_coman how do you say it in english ?
1457385;1461602350;jurov;never mind?
1457386;1461602391;mircea_popescu;mebbe. it's very metaphysically flat tho, like the world's all flat.
1457387;1461602452;mircea_popescu;all the english versions are much too spirited, drop it, leave it, straight whiskey to its very mellow cider quality.
1457388;1461602510;mircea_popescu;it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything.
1457389;1461602540;mircea_popescu;"i ain't buyin' it" i guess, here.
1457390;1461604432;trinque;back in a moment with the case-sensitivity fix
1457391;1461604452;trinque;$gettrust aPoCalyptIC
1457392;1461604462;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1457393;1461604487;trinque;$rated BEN_vulPES
1457394;1461604487;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1457395;1461604487;deedbot;trinque rated BEN_vulPES 3 at 3623669040 << friend, gentleman, warrior
1457396;1461604566;mircea_popescu;$gettrust ben-vulpes
1457397;1461604566;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1457398;1461604568;mircea_popescu;scam
1457399;1461604650;trinque;lol, it apparently doesn't do capital underscore!
1457400;1461604691;mircea_popescu;:D
1457401;1461604695;mircea_popescu;juuuus messin witcha.
1457402;1461605459;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. <- not as directly, no. Possibly something like "it might work," lol
1457403;1461605531;diana_coman;otherwise maybe "let it be" but it's still stronger
1457404;1461605593;mircea_popescu;things the us lacks to survive the coming collapse : item #7, a workable language.
1457405;1461610463;deedbot;[Trilema] 91.200.12.73 - An ode to a tireless bot. - http://trilema.com/2016/912001273-an-ode-to-a-tireless-bot/
1457406;1461610904;*;asciilifeform thought about wot-signed-only as a spam pill
1457407;1461611220;ben_vulpes;p. much the only sane design
1457408;1461611852;ben_vulpes;http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii
1457409;1461611876;ben_vulpes;"this generation’s transformational companies (AirBNB, Slack, Snapchat, Uber, etc)" << muahaha
1457410;1461611883;ben_vulpes;> slack
1457411;1461611886;ben_vulpes;> slack
1457412;1461611888;ben_vulpes;> slack
1457413;1461611932;ben_vulpes;> Unicorn basket
1457414;1461611936;ben_vulpes;oh god the lulz don't stop
1457415;1461611956;trinque;WHY THE UNICORN FINANCING MARKET JUST BECAME DANGEROUS…FOR ALL INVOLVED << sorry, cannot go on
1457416;1461611958;trinque;lol
1457417;1461611994;trinque;http://pbfcomics.com/103/
1457418;1461612037;pete_dushenski;greetings and salutions!
1457419;1461612048;trinque;good afternoon
1457420;1461612058;ben_vulpes;ey
1457421;1461612083;ben_vulpes;"people began to imagine a world where...profits could come back in vogue"
1457422;1461612089;ben_vulpes;omfg lolztrove
1457423;1461612089;shinohai;o/ pete_dushenski
1457424;1461612138;pete_dushenski;sorry to be away so much of late, been swamped this spring. not that i mind, just not as much forum time atm.
1457425;1461612256;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456937 << i would've done ~something~ that's for damn sure
1457426;1461612256;a111;Logged on 2016-04-24 22:14 BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
1457427;1461612292;pete_dushenski;strangest thing, znort's follow-through
1457428;1461612329;pete_dushenski;phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
1457429;1461612335;ben_vulpes;perhaps he purchased it as a curio
1457430;1461612390;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more
1457431;1461612390;a111;Logged on 2016-04-19 22:10 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/
1457432;1461612433;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i don't think anyone's using kelvin versioning on trb
1457433;1461612439;ben_vulpes;that's mod6's v, iirc
1457434;1461612568;pete_dushenski;the k is the build script
1457435;1461612649;ben_vulpes;mhm
1457436;1461612698;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: just for you http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/news/a28953/toyota-land-cruiser-6x6/
1457437;1461612722;ben_vulpes;hah that's a silly twuk
1457438;1461612737;pete_dushenski;for a silly boy
1457439;1461612849;mircea_popescu;o look, a pete. how's canada!
1457440;1461612889;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes notice that the "whatsap" bullshit that laundered 2bn of facebook's "money" is not on the list. somehow.
1457441;1461612897;mircea_popescu;apparently they're only transformational before someone buys them./
1457442;1461612953;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: in my little refuge within a bubble within a refuge, we're just booming despite the oil glut
1457443;1461612974;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you know the names carry the link.
1457444;1461613007;pete_dushenski;totally
1457445;1461613025;pete_dushenski;but to go back to the most recent logs, there's no direct link at the top of the page
1457446;1461613041;pete_dushenski;it's not the end of the world either way
1457447;1461613076;mircea_popescu;oh
1457448;1461613116;pete_dushenski;sort of like how kako had permalinks at the top to wiki, stats, logs, search, etc.
1457449;1461613162;mircea_popescu;ftr asciilifeform my current antispam arrangements work splendidly. i get maybe 2-3 items a day i have to look at, which is a-ok. 99.97% ish i never see.
1457450;1461613169;mircea_popescu;it still loads the server, but w/e.
1457451;1461613185;pete_dushenski;https://t.co/REyYaQFpVG << sort of how i imagine stan would react if fired without sufficient cause. except with crays or whatever he twerks on.
1457452;1461613200;pete_dushenski;^n.b. twitter link
1457453;1461613271;asciilifeform;lelzy
1457454;1461613297;pete_dushenski;thought you'd enjoy that
1457455;1461613308;asciilifeform;he oughta have done the tail, not the head
1457456;1461613311;asciilifeform;head - can be repaired.
1457457;1461613367;pete_dushenski;o ?
1457458;1461613395;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457241 << just like in ghana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa-_Smpqfuw
1457459;1461613395;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 03:22 ben_vulpes: bamboocycleta!
1457460;1461613690;pete_dushenski;https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nKwu2REIL._SX522_.jpg << anyone remember these as a kid ? hilariously entertaining rube goldberg-style marble toy
1457461;1461613714;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i saw this
1457462;1461613725;asciilifeform;but not as kid, but some time recently in a shop window somewhere.
1457463;1461613763;pete_dushenski;it had no circuits to fiddle with, maybe parents didn't think you'd bite
1457464;1461613767;asciilifeform;as a kid i just had a big bottle of ball bearings
1457465;1461613771;asciilifeform;from phactory
1457466;1461613787;asciilifeform;it was glorious
1457467;1461613818;mircea_popescu;how many did oyu eat ?
1457468;1461613826;asciilifeform;0 afaik
1457469;1461613829;asciilifeform;they were a big large
1457470;1461613832;mircea_popescu;a
1457471;1461613838;asciilifeform;2cm across or so.
1457472;1461613843;asciilifeform;stainless.
1457473;1461613851;pete_dushenski;like chinese hand exercise balls
1457474;1461613857;mircea_popescu;o that's pretty good. how many skulls did you crush with your gas-mask based slingshot ?
1457475;1461613859;pete_dushenski;minus the chimes
1457476;1461613886;mircea_popescu;and pete_dushenski has a point : how many girlies did you stuff with pairs of 'em and then made do squats ?
1457477;1461613887;*;pete_dushenski just bought first pair of chinaballs. still getting used to jingles
1457478;1461613920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the first time i saw the chinese ballz, i thought that this is what they were sold for !
1457479;1461613928;mircea_popescu;it is.
1457480;1461613944;*;pete_dushenski doesn't understand how anything can be shipped from china for $2.22 ~all-in~
1457481;1461613945;mircea_popescu;;;ud ben wa balls
1457482;1461613946;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ben+Wa+Balls | Shiny cold balls put in your Va jay jay to tighten pussy muscles so you can squeeze ... Excuse me ma'am, I think those are your Ben Wa Balls rolling towards the ...
1457483;1461613962;pete_dushenski;ha!
1457484;1461613979;pete_dushenski;ben wa's parents must be mega-proud
1457485;1461614003;pete_dushenski;mr. wa's tombstone had better include "va jay jay"
1457486;1461614021;deedbot;[Trilema] Today on Trilema : A history of the Polar Crabs ; A Discussion of Very Deep Globules ; A General Theory of the Corn Cobb as well as an Autobiography of Herzog Balthasar Hedgehog by Mr. Burt Mugg. - http://trilema.com/2016/today-on-trilema-a-history-of-the-polar-crabs-a-discussion-of-very-deep-globules-a-general-theory-of-the-corn-cobb-as-well-as-an-autobiography-of-herzog-balthasar-hedgehog-by-mr-burt-mugg/
1457487;1461614059;pete_dushenski;actually, come to think of it, i think girl had these ballz, or similar, during pregnancy. big fan.
1457488;1461614102;mircea_popescu;yep, great for wiminz.
1457489;1461614125;mircea_popescu;girls that don't play with the balls when young piss their pants when old.
1457490;1461614153;pete_dushenski;she can probably attribute much of this training to no-tear v-pipe birth
1457491;1461614185;mircea_popescu;tears aren't THAT common. especially in girls that actually look like you'd want to fuck 'em.
1457492;1461614211;mircea_popescu;as opposed to whatever boyish bs they put on ftv these days.
1457493;1461614247;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i should prolly write up birth. anyone seen it ?
1457494;1461614247;pete_dushenski;mya well those pencilish ones have kidz too afaik. if not by me.
1457495;1461614251;mircea_popescu;older nicole kidman
1457496;1461614265;pete_dushenski;haven't seen it, no
1457497;1461614358;pete_dushenski;http://priceonomics.com/why-thieves-steal-soap/ << because americans are soooo poor they can barely afford rain buckets to bathe in.
1457498;1461614408;asciilifeform;the tide thing aha
1457499;1461614411;pete_dushenski;how do stores like walgreens combat this ? by LOCKING DOWN SOAP like you would cigarettes or razor blades, apparently.
1457500;1461614420;asciilifeform;has ~nothing to do with soap being dear.
1457501;1461614460;asciilifeform;'trading sardine'.
1457502;1461614519;pete_dushenski;'As a Walgreens cashier explains, “It’s easy to sell on the street. Everyone uses soap.”'
1457503;1461614742;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457430 <<< dunno pete_dushenski, I was just using funkenstein's patch
1457504;1461614742;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 19:26 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more
1457505;1461614773;shinohai;Works swell tho
1457506;1461614789;pete_dushenski;aha. that. ya, i've been meaning to try it.
1457507;1461614807;pete_dushenski;anyone here have experience physical rolling dice a lot ? wondering how many times you rolled a set of 5 before you have sufficient confidence in their fairness. obviously, there's no absolute answer to this inquest, just curious if anyone has bothered or if 'casino dice' are considered sufficient precaution.
1457508;1461614898;asciilifeform;i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice
1457509;1461614926;asciilifeform;i can see generating, e.g., bitcoin private key (though do you have the stomach for the debiasing? what if you need 1,000 rolls?)
1457510;1461614930;asciilifeform;but how about the k-value in sigs ?
1457511;1461614934;asciilifeform;will also roll dice for that ?
1457512;1461615007;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: for the truly daft, what do you mean by 'debiasing' ?
1457513;1461615041;*;jurov is curious, too
1457514;1461615080;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debias
1457515;1461615081;danielpbarron;three dice rolls of any biased dice == 1 provably unbiased roll
1457516;1461615094;danielpbarron;not really three though, and it could be infinity
1457517;1461615109;asciilifeform;^
1457518;1461615121;asciilifeform;there is NOT a bound.
1457519;1461615145;danielpbarron;if you roll doubles you have to roll again
1457520;1461615190;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski look into l'hospital
1457521;1461615191;danielpbarron;and you probably have to roll the same die 3 times as opposed to rolling 3 dice once, unless there's something i'm missing in all this
1457522;1461615211;mircea_popescu;there's a mathematical solution to "what is the probability of x specific configuration come out of y random process of given probabilities"
1457523;1461615230;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: will do.
1457524;1461615250;asciilifeform;the boojum is that no mathematical process can create 'additional' entropy.
1457525;1461615287;mircea_popescu;of course not.
1457526;1461615290;jurov;is it even physically possible to make biased dice with, 50% less entropy output?
1457527;1461615317;jurov;(that can't be detected by cursory inspection)
1457528;1461615329;asciilifeform;jurov: ask the opposite question.
1457529;1461615337;asciilifeform;(how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.)
1457530;1461615393;mircea_popescu;coupla bits ?
1457531;1461615403;asciilifeform;that's the notion
1457532;1461615405;asciilifeform;but do we know ?
1457533;1461615422;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1457534;1461615426;asciilifeform;the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer...
1457535;1461615436;jurov;ideally its log2(6) = 2.58 bits
1457536;1461615444;asciilifeform;it would be quite another thing if they used a pencil, but no.
1457537;1461615445;mircea_popescu;it's unclear to me exactly how not electronic they are.
1457538;1461615451;mircea_popescu;dice roll off a table, that's electrons at work.
1457539;1461615467;jurov;say you fudge the throws badly and in the end get only 2 bits per throw
1457540;1461615473;*;asciilifeform boots up bricklispmachine and hands to mircea_popescu
1457541;1461615489;jurov;that's still pretty strong key after 100 throws
1457542;1461615500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quest for "not electronic" interaction is a little lulzy to me thatsall
1457543;1461615504;asciilifeform;jurov: try to understand what i meant
1457544;1461615523;jurov;i just explained how i understood it?
1457545;1461615524;asciilifeform;jurov: we do not know much much information re future throws is actually, in fact, present in a dice outcome.
1457546;1461615528;asciilifeform;it could easily be >0.
1457547;1461615563;mircea_popescu;if the dice is biased.
1457548;1461615564;asciilifeform;the 'it has n bits' ~presupposes~ the conclusion.
1457549;1461615571;asciilifeform;all physical dice are biased.
1457550;1461615594;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1457551;1461615601;jurov;and i am asking you how much bias do you usually estimate and why?
1457552;1461615614;jurov;by what physical process?
1457553;1461615643;jurov;if it's like 20% as i wrote above, then it's still fine, no?
1457554;1461615645;asciilifeform;by throwing, clearly
1457555;1461615651;asciilifeform;dice also, incidentally, wear.
1457556;1461615664;mircea_popescu;but they do not wear in a predictible fashion
1457557;1461615667;mircea_popescu;which is why i said maybe.
1457558;1461615709;mircea_popescu;still, one really dedicated could create glass dice and sharpen the edge by the same process used to make the few-hundre-atom thick blades they use to cut microscope samples with
1457559;1461615715;mircea_popescu;and then throw it on a magnetic field
1457560;1461615721;jurov;you're welcome to make a specifically worn dice that produces only ~2 bits of entropy. i suspect that would be very hard.
1457561;1461615733;mircea_popescu;jurov i'll make it with 4 faces.
1457562;1461615737;mircea_popescu;"worn"
1457563;1461615759;asciilifeform;actually it would be interesting to conduct 'accelerated aging' experiment on dice.
1457564;1461615763;jurov;oh i forgot to specify "it should be non-obvious"
1457565;1461615771;mircea_popescu;jurov "dwim" ?
1457566;1461615783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not entirely a virgin field. there is even a special tumbler for this process.
1457567;1461615804;phf;it came up in the logs before
1457568;1461615807;asciilifeform;i'd be quite surprised if it were virgin
1457569;1461615812;asciilifeform;phf: link?
1457570;1461615870;phf;actually, i'm misremembering. it's someone built a tumbler to test dice bias, your conclusion was that he's testing errors in his OCR
1457571;1461615896;asciilifeform;ah i recall.
1457572;1461615915;jurov;well, if someone generates their keys with pre-worn dice and tumbler supplied by enemy and strictly following instructions on the tumbler...
1457573;1461615917;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-01#1334775
1457574;1461615917;a111;Logged on 2015-12-01 19:22 BingoBoingo: http://www.markfickett.com/stuff/artPage.php?id=389 << Six sides good, more sides bad
1457575;1461616012;asciilifeform;other interesting question, imho, re any rng, is - how much does enemy learn if he captures it
1457576;1461616029;asciilifeform;is it safe to discard a set of dice ?
1457577;1461616054;asciilifeform;can dr evil pick it up and learn a few bits of yer key
1457578;1461616093;asciilifeform;and i suppose everyone recalls the roulette laser.
1457579;1461616112;asciilifeform;(and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe)
1457580;1461616315;mircea_popescu;the problem of discards is not well solved to date.
1457581;1461616321;mircea_popescu;which is why people jsut tend to burn everything.
1457582;1461616376;asciilifeform;it is only a problem in ridiculously narrow trickle sort of rng.
1457583;1461616380;asciilifeform;like dice, coin, roulette.
1457584;1461616503;asciilifeform;reason being that these cannot be health-tested with any regularity.
1457585;1461616526;asciilifeform;enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear.
1457586;1461616615;phf;strategic superiority through judicial application of wood chipper
1457587;1461616711;asciilifeform;phf always carries his wood chipper ?
1457588;1461616807;asciilifeform;anyway imho any rng which has measurable wear during normal operating life, is defective design.
1457589;1461616905;mircea_popescu;phf judicious.
1457590;1461616916;phf;that's second time
1457591;1461616922;mircea_popescu;lol
1457592;1461617112;phf;a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over the place, low tech solution right in the middle of high tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations turn to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed the tendency though, friend told me that he's generating work passwords with dicewear
1457593;1461617147;phf;i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations
1457594;1461617150;mircea_popescu;i do not agree with this theory.
1457595;1461617169;mircea_popescu;rolling dice is a better source for "please enter your password" than... what, dreaming one up ?
1457596;1461617175;mircea_popescu;people suck at headrng
1457597;1461617226;phf;dd if=/dev/random|LANG=C tr -dc '_A-Z-a-z-0-9'|fold -w10|head -n5
1457598;1461617271;asciilifeform;Apr 25 16:45:47 i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations << exactly that.
1457599;1461617426;jurov;phf are you 100% sure you did it right?
1457600;1461617651;mircea_popescu;it... doesn't work.
1457601;1461617669;mircea_popescu;0+7 records in 0+0 records out 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 13.2392 s, 0.0 kB/s
1457602;1461617933;phf;perhaps reading from /dev/urandom will fix it on linux
1457603;1461617945;mircea_popescu;but you see his point.
1457604;1461617954;phf;i do, but he doesn't see mine
1457605;1461617961;mircea_popescu;well that's his problem.
1457606;1461618171;phf;i make my tools myself, so script above works on my system, i have sufficient idea of its operation to put it to live munition test.
1457607;1461618261;phf;but if the question is about other people, then there's a trust slice that is manifest on the system. the kind of person who trusts his os x, should also trust the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able to apply same criteria to selecting a password generator/manager
1457608;1461618282;asciilifeform;it is not that i wish to discourage folks from throwing dice, or dartboard, etc. but that they ought to be aware of the limitations.
1457609;1461618313;asciilifeform;(one of which, that has not so far been stated here, is that anyone with optical view of the room has your bits.)
1457610;1461618359;asciilifeform;and - quite possibly - anyone with an audio track of the room has also some.
1457611;1461618477;mircea_popescu;phf fancy that - they also make their tools themselves.
1457612;1461618597;mircea_popescu;moreover, i'd say 99% of the people making passwords by throwing dice don't have dd or | on the system, because they're stuck on winblowz.
1457613;1461618641;deedbot;[Trilema] Birth - http://trilema.com/2016/birth/
1457614;1461618721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta what i was reacting against - the view that dice solve an otherwise rotten environ
1457615;1461618746;phf;^
1457616;1461618749;mircea_popescu;there is nothing wrong with man carrying his water skin in plagued venice. "but where does the water in it come from"
1457617;1461618751;mircea_popescu;let him be.
1457618;1461618768;phf;right, we're just approaching this from different direction
1457619;1461618806;mircea_popescu;hey, at least they got 2fa.
1457620;1461618820;mircea_popescu;2fa, loofah & woofer.
1457621;1461618848;phf;from perspective of general education, it's better hygiene where there wasn't any before. i'm more questioning people who use diceware because they don't trust own /dev/random
1457622;1461618871;mircea_popescu;well, own /dev/random si blocking, as you can see
1457623;1461618882;mircea_popescu;and i can't blame the man who doesn't trust /urandom
1457624;1461618895;mircea_popescu;iirc that was in the logs.
1457625;1461619004;mircea_popescu;sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc.
1457626;1461619049;mircea_popescu;discussion rapidly becomes a "why would i own a sliderule, i have my computor". well, some people own a slide rule.
1457627;1461619094;asciilifeform;i see dice as a sort of bayonet
1457628;1461619097;asciilifeform;a last resort.
1457629;1461619122;mircea_popescu;recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
1457630;1461619136;asciilifeform;aha.
1457631;1461619145;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't have issue with people using slide rule. i'm reacting to people who are buying slide rules on ebay, because it's the cool retro computational device
1457632;1461619169;mircea_popescu;hey, you buy sluts in e-bar because they're the juicy, pendulous titted fucktoys.
1457633;1461619185;mircea_popescu;aesthetics is permitted, even in geekdom.
1457634;1461619251;phf;hah, well, i'm saying diceware is ~soo~ last year
1457635;1461619260;mircea_popescu;o ? i'm slow, what's in ?
1457636;1461619274;asciilifeform;pissin on a set of electrical contacts!
1457637;1461619275;asciilifeform;is in
1457638;1461619283;asciilifeform;i hear itsthel4t3st
1457639;1461619331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, for the male slave boi this is actually true ?
1457640;1461619365;asciilifeform;waiwut
1457641;1461619367;mircea_popescu;once mistress gets tired of taking off the chastity device now and again, there's this special electrified insert, stimulates teh prostate, instaorgasm and move on.
1457642;1461619382;asciilifeform;ah like for bulls.
1457643;1461619385;mircea_popescu;originally aha.
1457644;1461619398;asciilifeform;i also recall this was used on corpses
1457645;1461619404;asciilifeform;(fresh ones)
1457646;1461619410;shinohai;Get cucked by a product originally designed for bulls. Neato.
1457647;1461619413;mircea_popescu;smaller, obviously, and for that matter can be designed for urethral insertion.
1457648;1461619423;asciilifeform;shinohai: get cucked by a dead bloke!
1457649;1461619437;shinohai;>.<
1457650;1461619476;mircea_popescu;hey, film i just reviewed is exactly that!
1457651;1461619523;asciilifeform;iirc you need an anal cathode tho.
1457652;1461619581;asciilifeform;(think, where is prostate)
1457653;1461619605;mircea_popescu;works as a single spire. prolly closes with itself.
1457654;1461619625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how the hell do you get current through prostate that way
1457655;1461619664;mircea_popescu;i never looked into the matter that deeply!
1457656;1461619672;asciilifeform;link to item ?
1457657;1461619699;mircea_popescu;uh not everything's on the internets
1457658;1461619711;asciilifeform;custom, i take it
1457659;1461619716;asciilifeform;i had similar for gurlz
1457660;1461619774;mircea_popescu;ahahaha nm
1457661;1461619784;mircea_popescu;http://www.amazon.com/Electrical-Urethral-Prostate-Masturbation-Toys185mm/dp/B019DLV1K4
1457662;1461619788;mircea_popescu;it self-closes, obviously.
1457663;1461619821;mircea_popescu;40 bux.
1457664;1461619831;asciilifeform;the downer re electrical toys is nearly always contact burn
1457665;1461619850;asciilifeform;(if there is ~any~ dc component, you also get, electrolytically, hcl at the interface, nasty)
1457666;1461619860;*;asciilifeform speaks from experience
1457667;1461619970;mircea_popescu;i don't think tissue damage is a drawback for the practitioners.
1457668;1461619988;mircea_popescu;on the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms, then your genitals fall off"
1457669;1461620007;asciilifeform;l0l!
1457670;1461620027;asciilifeform;also iirc the sensation is distinctly unorgasmic, yer balls just empty & thatsit
1457671;1461620089;mircea_popescu;this WAS the whole point.
1457672;1461620114;asciilifeform;a more interesting imho variant of this experiment is to have the device ~block~ the signal to balls, during normal fucktion
1457673;1461620128;asciilifeform;(waveform left as exercise for the reader)
1457674;1461620146;mircea_popescu;cheaper for her to get a dildo than to turn you into one.
1457675;1461620427;mircea_popescu;and in similar news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/eb0f7d6d82b1dfde430f1ecb5529297a/tumblr_o1kyajm8OC1s5zureo2_400.gif
1457676;1461622191;deedbot;[Qntra] US Appeals Court Takes Time To Rule On Sportsball Case - http://qntra.net/2016/04/us-appeals-court-takes-time-to-rule-on-sportsball-case/
1457677;1461622920;shinohai;asciilifeform: I can sub,it public key to phuctor or is down?
1457678;1461622926;shinohai;*submit
1457679;1461623012;pete_dushenski;fueled by that killer dice debate, i'm off to the races gents. bon soir a tous!
1457680;1461624014;asciilifeform;shinohai: not only up but as far as i can tell, up without any interruptions
1457681;1461624532;shinohai;Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt
1457682;1461626743;BingoBoingo;;;ud spiff
1457683;1461626744;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spiff | Proper Noun: Part of the name of Spaceman Spiff one of the many alter-egos of ... -Spiff-tastic (Adjective and interjection, combination of words spiff and fantastic
1457684;1461626751;BingoBoingo;wtf
1457685;1461626756;BingoBoingo;not even wrong
1457686;1461630907;*;shinohai forgot to wish BingoBoingo a happy Confederate Memorial Day.
1457687;1461630916;BingoBoingo;ty for remembering shinohai
1457688;1461631059;shinohai;Almost made a Qntra anecdote of it.
1457689;1461631920;BingoBoingo;lol, not quite news
1457690;1461632035;shinohai;I thought it was hilarious that half of Alabama's infrastructure was shut down today. State holiday, who knew.
1457691;1461632074;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1457692;1461632270;BingoBoingo;http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/15/the-boy-scouts-of-america-then-and-now-a-comparison-of-the-1911-and-modern-handbooks-and-merit-badges/
1457693;1461637330;mircea_popescu;hey, at least the girl scouts get oral sex badges. progrss!
1457694;1461637514;mircea_popescu;Known Moduli: 1207470 <<< soooo is it done loading 'em asciilifeform ?
1457695;1461637516;BingoBoingo;$b 3
1457696;1461637517;deedbot;$b 3 is not a command.
1457697;1461638059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~500k moar to go.
1457698;1461638066;asciilifeform;as of now.
1457699;1461638078;asciilifeform;keys, that is
1457700;1461638253;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it.
1457701;1461638253;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 22:48 shinohai: Just for shits-n-giggles I tried submitting this key but tells me is not valid: http://dpaste.com/3CCR99V.txt
1457702;1461638299;asciilifeform;i've been actually piling these up in a special archive for when i have new parser.
1457703;1461638320;asciilifeform;it is <1% of moduli thus far
1457704;1461638369;asciilifeform;''ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0160' in position 7: ordinal not in range(128)'
1457705;1461638640;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/qnb.zip << lulzy, supposedly quatar national bank
1457706;1461638661;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/25/breaking_qatar_bank_hack << see also.
1457707;1461638665;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?
1457708;1461638811;mircea_popescu;oh so more like 1.7mn ?
1457709;1461638812;mircea_popescu;nb.
1457710;1461638906;mircea_popescu;definitely qntra.
1457711;1461639021;asciilifeform;'Public Exponent 44942328371557897693232629769725618340449424473557664318357520289433168951375240783177119330601884005280028469967848339414697442203604155623211857659868531094441973356216371319075554900311523529863270738021251442209537670585615720368478277635206809290837627671146574559986811484619929076208839082406056034307 is NOT PRIME !' << i'd like to pin down JUST ONE of these schmucks and connect him to the mains & find out what
1457712;1461639022;asciilifeform; he used for a pgptron
1457713;1461639033;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1457714;1461639042;mircea_popescu;this must be some sort of an overflow.
1457715;1461639058;asciilifeform;THAT SPECIFIC exponent recurs
1457716;1461639061;asciilifeform;see for yerself
1457717;1461639072;mircea_popescu;not necessarily impossible.
1457718;1461639077;asciilifeform;4 of'em at least.
1457719;1461639089;mircea_popescu;maybe it's you know, a chunk of code.
1457720;1461639095;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1457721;1461639148;asciilifeform;0x4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003.
1457722;1461639153;asciilifeform;btw.
1457723;1461639161;mircea_popescu;o is it ?
1457724;1461639162;mircea_popescu;hm.
1457725;1461639164;asciilifeform;aha.
1457726;1461639181;asciilifeform;i've thought about only displaying hex.
1457727;1461639183;mircea_popescu;wtf, accidental bignum ?
1457728;1461639187;asciilifeform;motherfuckin' decimal's worthless
1457729;1461639205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ideally, offer it as a site option.
1457730;1461639220;mircea_popescu;an on/off switch like tvtropes has would be SPIFFY.
1457731;1461639231;asciilifeform;i try to keep thingz simple. but yeah, after i'm satisfied that the rest works
1457732;1461639240;asciilifeform;and scales to moar keyz
1457733;1461639247;mircea_popescu;yeah. no rush whatever.
1457734;1461639250;asciilifeform;(somebody - mircea_popescu ? - suggested dumping ssh in there etc)
1457735;1461639259;mircea_popescu;aye
1457736;1461639351;asciilifeform;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime"
1457737;1461639352;deedbot;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command.
1457738;1461639353;asciilifeform;5
1457739;1461639357;asciilifeform;fershame.
1457740;1461639375;asciilifeform;5!
1457741;1461639539;asciilifeform;wouldntcha like to know what ~they~ used.
1457742;1461639552;asciilifeform;i sure would.
1457743;1461639588;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 0 is not prime"
1457744;1461639590;asciilifeform;0
1457745;1461639595;asciilifeform;^ one can dreeeeeeeem
1457746;1461639630;mircea_popescu;0 actuallyt crashes and burns tho ; 1 just carries on meaninglessly.
1457747;1461639667;asciilifeform;tru
1457748;1461639794;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/e5082be5748a489f937740fd128869a5/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o6_400.gif
1457749;1461639822;asciilifeform;wat is happening in there
1457750;1461639835;mircea_popescu;or perhaps more on point, http://45.media.tumblr.com/eb38a45e9b3568094df66c8c1de4a130/tumblr_o5yv1hAO3b1tcc457o7_500.gif
1457751;1461639970;asciilifeform;ah it's one of those.
1457752;1461639979;asciilifeform;what's it called
1457753;1461641288;mircea_popescu;it's called a sissy!
1457754;1461641295;mircea_popescu;and in vaguely related news, https://www.primalhardwere.com/category/ovipositors
1457755;1461641436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is glorious
1457756;1461641441;asciilifeform;howdyafindit
1457757;1461641481;mircea_popescu;was on teh wishlist.
1457758;1461641506;asciilifeform;gonna buy?
1457759;1461641516;mircea_popescu;apparently, the eggs can very well be sorbet.
1457760;1461641520;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1457761;1461641528;asciilifeform;neato
1457762;1461642241;deedbot;[Qntra] Massive Qatar National Bank Leak Circulating - http://qntra.net/2016/04/massive-qatar-national-bank-leak-circulating/
1457763;1461646392;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How boys become men, or don’t: then and now. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/25/how-boys-become-men-or-dont-then-and-now/
1457764;1461646594;mircea_popescu;and in other puns, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/born-sissy-maid.jpg
1457765;1461646833;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1457766;1461646841;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 463.27, vol: 6104.70432833 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 456.72, vol: 10427.95014 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 463.33, vol: 25147.82279641 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.47835277 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 460.24902, vol: 39692.29490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 463.3, vol: 1461.85148517 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 459.920144, vol: 58.87264065 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1457767;1461647964;mircea_popescu;trilema pstree shows httpd -- 136 * [httpd] + 17 * [httpd -- php]. gotta love modern technologee.
1457768;1461669159;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457700 <<< thx I thought it was keybase.io faggotry or something.
1457769;1461669159;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 02:37 asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it.
1457770;1461675975;mircea_popescu;fucking idiot.
1457771;1461676933;mircea_popescu;and in other fucking crazy,
1457772;1461676938;mircea_popescu;;;google nscd
1457773;1461676939;gribble;NSCD: ; Volunteer - NSCD: ; About NSCD - National Sports Center for the Disabled:
1457774;1461676949;mircea_popescu;who the fuck would EVER want a cache for passwd calls omfg.
1457775;1461677359;shinohai;Morning, Sr. Popescu
1457776;1461677365;mircea_popescu;hola
1457777;1461677641;mircea_popescu;oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
1457778;1461677868;shinohai;I see vexual has been indulging in the Foster's again.
1457779;1461678346;jurov;$up airgapped
1457780;1461678355;deedbot;jurov may not $up airgapped
1457781;1461678453;shinohai;D:
1457782;1461678684;mircea_popescu;$up eh
1457783;1461678687;deedbot;eh voiced for 30 minutes.
1457784;1461678691;mircea_popescu;lol mkay
1457785;1461678699;mircea_popescu;$gettrust airgapped
1457786;1461678700;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1457787;1461678772;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://btcalpha.com/wot/user/airgapped << weird neh ?
1457788;1461680523;mike_c;uh, yeah.
1457789;1461680560;mike_c;not even an error email.
1457790;1461680575;mircea_popescu;seemed kinda nonstandard.
1457791;1461680591;mike_c;oh, the whole thing is down
1457792;1461680613;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated news from 2012 : "By measuring the statistics of more than 1.5 billion ad impressions per day, it was possible to understand deeply how different websites perform. Some of the high level results: 38% of the ads are never in view to a user 50% of the ads are in view for less than 0.5 seconds 56% of the ads are in view for less than 5 seconds"
1457793;1461680653;mircea_popescu;notably enough, this does not mean the converse (ie, that 44% are seen for over 5 seconds). it just means that we know for a fact 56% of online advertising budgets are wasted ; the remainder are also wasted but that fact not so easily known.
1457794;1461681164;mike_c;I don't have my keys on me.. so btcalpha will be dead for the next 10 hours. There goes my uptime stats.
1457795;1461681181;mircea_popescu;did the sql thing ever get off teh ground ?
1457796;1461681283;mike_c;yeah. it's in progress. I started doing it but had to deal with a couple other things. I de-crufted btcalpha and killed half the site (bitbet gone, etc). now i'm halfway through a web framework upgrade which is going to make adding the new wot browser easier.
1457797;1461681325;mircea_popescu;incidentally, do we want to make a standard web framework ? so people can put up sites a la boost except not retarded ?
1457798;1461681337;mircea_popescu;something like phuctor runs might be packageable for instance.
1457799;1461681364;mike_c;I don't think so. our time would be better spent on gpg than yet another web framework
1457800;1461681387;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1457801;1461681408;mircea_popescu;course, at some point if 12 people bring up and then maintain sites,
1457802;1461681417;mircea_popescu;it may be cheaper to have a coupla make a package and that's that.
1457803;1461681431;mike_c;yeah, but, this upgrade I'm doing is bumping it up 3 major versions because I haven't touched it in years
1457804;1461681445;mircea_popescu;so far it's you, phf , ben_vulpes , mod6 , asciilifeform running sites not to mention teh bloggers.
1457805;1461681482;mike_c;doing it would have value, but, priority wise..
1457806;1461681513;mircea_popescu;well the other thing is that a guy who can do a spiffy web framework couldn't necessarily do gpg arcana or c++ nonsense in bitcoind.
1457807;1461681525;mircea_popescu;if i make alf spend an hour fucking around with python, that's an hour.
1457808;1461681543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it runs on an ancient python lib called 'flask'
1457809;1461681550;asciilifeform;this was ~meant~ to be temporary...
1457810;1461681554;mircea_popescu;aha.
1457811;1461681567;mike_c;flask isn't ancient? it's still maintained and updated afaik
1457812;1461681574;mircea_popescu;no but by now this jus' keeps growing, and the solutions are exactly that. trilema runs on an ancient thing called "wordpress". etc.
1457813;1461681585;asciilifeform;mike_c: i have not kept up. i picked up whatever it was i had on my disk in '13
1457814;1461681589;mircea_popescu;mike_c he prolly got a version off 3.5 inch diskettes.
1457815;1461681591;phf;flask is definitely live, is considered "alternative to bloated blahs like django"
1457816;1461681593;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1457817;1461681635;mike_c;hm - actually, hasn't been touched since '13: https://github.com/pallets/flask/releases
1457818;1461681639;asciilifeform;it's deadly simple, analogous to, say, cl-who in commonlisp
1457819;1461681647;mircea_popescu;anyway. tis true the web is not terribruy high priority. it's also true we use it lots.
1457820;1461681843;mircea_popescu;actually, it's not even trivial to do a count - i left out trinque and jurov for instance. that makes it 7. it's prolly more like 80% than any specific number.
1457821;1461681906;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457629
1457822;1461681906;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 21:18 mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
1457823;1461682209;mircea_popescu;different topics here tho. standard of behaviour is one thing ; standard of tools is another. a good set of standard tools is what allows variance of behaviour.
1457824;1461682233;mircea_popescu;poorly designed, impredictable random tools actually induces similarity of behavior. it is technically speaking a free fuzzer for teh enemy.
1457825;1461682275;mircea_popescu;anyway, the other point being that there's no requirement for any actual heavy lifting work be done - take flask, read through it once, snip idiocies, put it in v and voila, official tmsr boost.
1457826;1461682349;phf;i'm just being a silly, i don't have a strong opinion until i see further direction taken
1457827;1461682436;mircea_popescu;yeah me either. jus' a stray thought, fully argued i'd say.
1457828;1461682516;phf;flask is not standalone though, it's a wsgi service, which in turn is a python standard for doing "web application". there are competing servers for wsgi, uwsgi being most popular. i actually had to patch it for my work production, and it's not a fits in head by any means
1457829;1461682561;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, trilema prolly takes the cake for longevity - it's running "You are using WordPress 2.7. Please Update." bolted shut back in 2008. notwithstanding ~numerous~ attempts, never been owned, either.
1457830;1461683134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! i have same vintage wp
1457831;1461683148;mircea_popescu;possibly last it was any use or somesuch.
1457832;1461683241;mircea_popescu;anyway, this anecdote certainly gives a good trashing to the whole "gotta upgrade" blabla. why, for "security" ? glhf, the log's chock full of lolz @wp blogs. for what, "looks" ? yarly, i've yet to see that many better looking blogs.
1457833;1461683268;mircea_popescu;2008 to 2016 is 8 years, ie, more than the "cumulative experience" of pretty much every "online team"
1457834;1461683302;phf;in other news of interest probably only to ben_vulpes, homebrew is now reporting any command you run or package you install to google analytics unless you opt-out by setting HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS. this useful feature was brought to you by this fuck https://github.com/mikemcquaid, Mike McQuaid, who looks exactly like you'd imagine this kind of fuck to look.
1457835;1461683360;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah what
1457836;1461683420;phf;don't worry, it's "anonymous" https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/share/doc/homebrew/Analytics.md
1457837;1461683453;mircea_popescu;as if redditard's notion of anonymous and google's notion of fully known are incompatible or someshit.
1457838;1461683537;mircea_popescu;(they're in total lulzy overdrive, by the way. system with nothing but a certain webhost cookie got shown adds for THAT webhost 975 times / 1000 and 25 times to other webhosts ; then with consumer interest single cookie (waldorf astoria) got shown 1000/1000 waldorf astoria ads.
1457839;1461683581;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would an advertiser pay for this i have no idea, but teh google is mining it to the hilt. and i suspect they're either going to get usg payola or start reporting ever-worsening quarters because they moneyz just isn't there anymore.)
1457840;1461683772;phf;i thought for a while, that google makes most of its income (including things like tax breaks and protectorate) through bulk data sale and access, and ads is just a quaint misdirection. anecdotally from people in the affiliate marketing and such circles, the margins on google ads and the profits are so low and have been for about two years now to suspect whole thing of a lie
1457841;1461683816;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to have low margins, where you can barely justify the equipment and workforce. it's another to have no market.
1457842;1461683871;mircea_popescu;back in 2005 everyone i knew bought google, and getting banned was like suicide. then in 2010 the lazier / older bought and the younger wolves were moving on. last year [when i was doing eulora marketing] i couldn't find anyone i knew who bought google ads.
1457843;1461683889;mircea_popescu;i was like "hey, show me some stats" "uh... i think i have some from like 2013..." "wtf"
1457844;1461683994;mircea_popescu;part of it, of course, being that they're caught in the trap "online media" sites were caught a decade prior. back in 2005 google ads were sought out because the yahoo wannabe yahoos had ridoinculous shit like "80 bux cpm" in their "sheets", while ctrs were dropping through the 1% floor.
1457845;1461684056;mircea_popescu;by now google is pushing for 10-25 cent clicks as a minimum, but not only are clickthroughs way down there under 0.1%, cpa/ctr relation is entirely broken. get ten million clicks and sell two garden gnomes.
1457846;1461684102;mircea_popescu;unthinkable back in the enchanted 2000, when ~any paysite had 10k pageviews and 10k revenue or 100k pageviews and 100k revenue, scaling 1:1 like glued together.
1457847;1461684302;mircea_popescu;and to top the irony cake - exploit traffic beats the socks off anything anyone can buy. take the very openly public literotica thing as an example, it got clicked in the 1.5% range! like it's 1996 all over again! and people comment and whatnot.
1457848;1461684340;mircea_popescu;try to match the results with ~any sort of online advertising approach and then we can compare what writing ten lines of bash costs vs whatever "online campaign management" set you back. lel.
1457849;1461684650;asciilifeform;google is and - afaik - has been since almost beginning - usgtronic 'tbtf'
1457850;1461684671;phf;what you're saying correlates to what i heard, i don't have an opinion because it always seemed like dark magic to me. i've never clicked on ads, and have hard time groking a person who would. but there's also a disconnect of sorts. i understand literotica hack, it is in some ways similar to okcupid hack, it's a cold call, where you have some idea who's the person on the other side, and you just do it in bulk. online ads seem more like fishing, ex
1457851;1461684671;phf;cept there's no concrete knowledge of fish, or behaviors, it's all reading tea leaves
1457852;1461684710;mircea_popescu;ha! it should be exact equivalent : you know what the site sells (or it should).
1457853;1461684712;asciilifeform;i'm still not convinced that anyone clicks on ads, other than by accident
1457854;1461684724;asciilifeform;whole thing is ~= spam.
1457855;1461684730;asciilifeform;raw cargo cult.
1457856;1461684735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know for a fact people do. and yes it is exactly spam, and people clikc that, too.
1457857;1461684742;phf;"we put an ad up, got much money. year later we put an ad up got low money. he's a graph. much money here, low money here. tribe move, many starve"
1457858;1461684749;mircea_popescu;i dunno if anymore, but you should have seen spammer inbox a decade ago.
1457859;1461684755;mircea_popescu;people chatting them up like nobody's business.
1457860;1461684762;asciilifeform;and not '419-baiters' ?
1457861;1461684769;mircea_popescu;indeed not.
1457862;1461684771;asciilifeform;actual chumpers?
1457863;1461684776;mircea_popescu;actual chumpers.
1457864;1461684779;phf;i emailed spammers in the 90s :D
1457865;1461684779;mircea_popescu;phf word.
1457866;1461684780;asciilifeform;mindboggling.
1457867;1461684793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, people also talk to the police!
1457868;1461684799;mircea_popescu;and sign "plea bargains"
1457869;1461684810;mircea_popescu;"what's the bargain, i lube up and you fuck me raw ?" "ayup" "where's my pen!"
1457870;1461684832;mircea_popescu;heck, people enter into 30 year mortgage agreements with 5 year fixed interest rate!
1457871;1461684867;asciilifeform;'can haz moar rusty nailz plox!?'
1457872;1461684910;mircea_popescu;nobody ever went broke overestimating the idiocy of the consumer. kinda why the whole charaqde has to end, idle, disinterested, ignorant stupidity on such scale can scarcely be maintained.
1457873;1461684914;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder it lasted this long.
1457874;1461684996;asciilifeform;eh,
1457875;1461685003;asciilifeform;'cow is so stupid, must go extinct before long'
1457876;1461685007;asciilifeform;but not!
1457877;1461685011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider, again, very openly public item : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sex-lives-of-other-people/#comment-117126
1457878;1461685014;mircea_popescu;and prev.
1457879;1461685023;mircea_popescu;people click.
1457880;1461685047;asciilifeform;this was re 'has to end'
1457881;1461685063;asciilifeform;it is not clear to me what will end it.
1457882;1461685087;mircea_popescu;famine. as per phf quote.
1457883;1461685132;mircea_popescu;eventually "no one could have predicted" that "you have to" http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457777 because "everyone is doing it".
1457884;1461685132;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 13:34 mircea_popescu: oh right, and in this morning's "allow me to bother you" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5944aba2ae71db259875d9be326d6505/tumblr_nqnb041YLK1uv50iuo1_1280.jpg
1457885;1461685138;mircea_popescu;i pity the buttholes of the coming babes.
1457886;1461685189;mircea_popescu;but ask 30yo ukr chix what was life like in khrakov's campus/red quarter cca 1990s.
1457887;1461685195;mircea_popescu;or , for that matter, these days i guess huh.
1457888;1461685297;*;asciilifeform admittedly very, very far from wwwtronics space
1457889;1461685324;asciilifeform;long ago, '11-ish, i bought google ads even
1457890;1461685332;asciilifeform;it's a hundy i'll never see again...
1457891;1461685338;asciilifeform;utter rubbish.
1457892;1461685370;asciilifeform;then again i was pushing a proggy for which total theoretical maximum install base could have been 500 people.
1457893;1461685381;asciilifeform;(robot controller)
1457894;1461685391;mircea_popescu;supposedly google ads perfect for this purpose. in theory, of course. practice....
1457895;1461685403;asciilifeform;oh would you believe,
1457896;1461685406;mircea_popescu;by now facebook is running the same scam for a new generation of idiots, with ~ the same results.
1457897;1461685408;asciilifeform;and i dun think i mentioned this before,
1457898;1461685412;asciilifeform;they CENSORED the word 'tecan'
1457899;1461685413;asciilifeform;from the ad
1457900;1461685416;asciilifeform;because trademark.
1457901;1461685421;mircea_popescu;awww.
1457902;1461685428;asciilifeform;mega-lulz
1457903;1461685440;asciilifeform;as if the ads were not worthless enough
1457904;1461685442;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you recall that facebook gimmick where some derp supposedly trolled his roommate by controlling his ad flux ?
1457905;1461685446;asciilifeform;they had to also set fire to'em and piss
1457906;1461685453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1457907;1461685456;mircea_popescu;there i sat and wondered, much like you do above, who's in the target for this.
1457908;1461685460;mircea_popescu;well... redditards, who.
1457909;1461685482;asciilifeform;there was an 'inexplicable' scarcity of redditards with 300k robot
1457910;1461685486;asciilifeform;so nobody snapped it up.
1457911;1461685523;asciilifeform;the robot thing was quite educational for asciilifeform .
1457912;1461685539;asciilifeform;it was my final vaccine against 1,001 idiocies, e.g., vc
1457913;1461685566;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever clicked an ad either. nowadays we have the terminology to properly formalize this : people who are so low on the wot scale of things they're used to being forever alone can not by that very fact possibly have the sort of social clout that'd allow them to control enough resources that'd make anything we care about relevant to them.
1457914;1461685570;phf;there was a period when facebook ads were fantastic for event promotion in the same literotica/okcupid way, but without hacking
1457915;1461685570;mircea_popescu;social classes, on the web.
1457916;1461685608;asciilifeform;how are they alone ?
1457917;1461685612;asciilifeform;isn't there whole anthill of'em?
1457918;1461685621;asciilifeform;or is it in the 'alienation' of marx sense
1457919;1461685627;phf;could go "girls, sorority, 17-22, dc area, blah blah" and literally send them bulk message there and then
1457920;1461685637;mircea_popescu;phf hey, there was a one quarter back years ago when this one guy made an absolute killing from some sort of "new up and coming" thing that did a social media skin over blind clicking.
1457921;1461685658;mircea_popescu;wtf was it called, back in the day reddit was ~child porn and digg ruled the same space.
1457922;1461685673;mircea_popescu;;;ud stumbleon
1457923;1461685674;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stumble | To walk in a drunken fashion, or to use the toolbar found at stumbleupon.com .. and the word found in definition #1 should read 'waste'. Hobo Bob was bored, ...
1457924;1461685685;mircea_popescu;right.
1457925;1461685726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alone in the sense of fitting, how shall we put this... my shoes are made for my foot. their shoes are copied from my shoe.
1457926;1461685739;phf;i actually briefly worked for a guy who bought a bugati from facebook ads, and while i was there, was doing primarily "skin your facebook" internet explorer plugin, that would replace all ads with own versions. if be$$al$$ the goal...
1457927;1461685744;mircea_popescu;(literally, this, by the way - many years ago back in cluj the local suit factory ACTUALLY made their suits after me.)
1457928;1461685799;mircea_popescu;so you know, guy who no-one knows, who'd damned better fit in, because nothing's ever fitting TO them. which is why all this spamolade in various flavours is so appealing to them.
1457929;1461685805;mircea_popescu;fills an ontological void.
1457930;1461685821;mircea_popescu;i guess this reduces to a version of the marx sense, except exactly the one he didn't like.
1457931;1461685869;asciilifeform;re suits, lulzy, i'm about to have the metal anvil in my 'model f' chromed, now i anticipate q 'where in motorcycle does this weird thing with holes go'
1457932;1461685871;mircea_popescu;phf if this is hacking btw... the girl i fucked this morning is a space shuttle.
1457933;1461685913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform say "it's not for bike, it's for hitachi wand".
1457934;1461685942;asciilifeform;http://www.epiguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CIMG3416-610.jpg << this thing
1457935;1461685977;asciilifeform;l0l
1457936;1461686001;asciilifeform;just sayin', you dun have to be rich to have 'things fit for you'
1457937;1461686008;asciilifeform;just gotta give a shit
1457938;1461686018;mircea_popescu;and you're the first one to say "rich".
1457939;1461686034;mircea_popescu;rich dun enter into it ; and by and of itself it reduces to lottery winner / inheritor / etc.
1457940;1461686038;mircea_popescu;the point is control.
1457941;1461686051;asciilifeform;well mircea_popescu did say 'nothing's ever fitting TO them'
1457942;1461686058;mircea_popescu;so i did.
1457943;1461686087;mircea_popescu;and notice the trend, with stuff like obamacare, also :D
1457944;1461686100;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, police work etc.
1457945;1461686126;asciilifeform;which trend
1457946;1461686141;mircea_popescu;towards "one size'd better fit all of you scum"
1457947;1461686210;asciilifeform;the police don't yet bother respectable folk where i live
1457948;1461686215;asciilifeform;but i can see what mircea_popescu is thinking of.
1457949;1461686239;mircea_popescu;well, good for you then, careful not to live where ian murdock used to ?
1457950;1461686291;asciilifeform;well, more gotta be careful not to breathe the lsd he was sprayed with
1457951;1461686320;mircea_popescu;ftr, we know of the rabbit's misbehaviour from the fox's pretense. not even bothered to go on the record, that fox.
1457952;1461686329;asciilifeform;surely.
1457953;1461686331;mircea_popescu;for all you know all he did that day was park.
1457954;1461686342;asciilifeform;entirely conceivable.
1457955;1461686350;asciilifeform;and michael hastings didn't even park.
1457956;1461686542;asciilifeform;i still wonder why murdock had to be removed
1457957;1461686555;asciilifeform;afaik he was one of those disgustingly compliant folk already
1457958;1461686580;mircea_popescu;there's no "had to". when i accidentally ran my lawn mower over one of my thyme bushes, it wasn't that I HAD TO cut the thyme with large rapidly rotating blades.
1457959;1461686584;mircea_popescu;it's just that i was mowing.
1457960;1461686596;asciilifeform;i moved over one of those solar lantern things
1457961;1461686598;mircea_popescu;;;google "for me it was tuesday"
1457962;1461686599;gribble;But for Me, It Was Tuesday - TV Tropes: ; Bison remembers Tuesday - YouTube: ; It was Tuesday - Street Fighter 1994 - YouTube:
1457963;1461686612;asciilifeform;didn't even realize until i saw the battery, the only thing the blade could not powder easily, lying about
1457964;1461686615;asciilifeform;it was surreal
1457965;1461686620;asciilifeform;'where did this battery come from'
1457966;1461686623;mircea_popescu;lol
1457967;1461686630;mircea_popescu;"maybe the bird dropped its battery"
1457968;1461686638;asciilifeform;aha!
1457969;1461686742;mircea_popescu;in my case, there was a sudden scent of nice pot roast, and then ohshit.jpg
1457970;1461686794;asciilifeform;but yes, fact, when police are called in usaschwitz they come with the violent monkeyman handling equipment and procedure
1457971;1461686801;asciilifeform;and it dun matter if yer some white professorial type
1457972;1461686807;asciilifeform;gonna get monkey-handled.
1457973;1461686810;mircea_popescu;hence trend.
1457974;1461686842;mircea_popescu;also, hence "white professorial" type entirely spurious pretense on part of obvious monkeyman.
1457975;1461686855;asciilifeform;i've met 'civilized' folk who, for one reason or another, got 'policed' and were surprised
1457976;1461686865;mircea_popescu;as in what, used airplanes ?
1457977;1461686905;asciilifeform;waiwat
1457978;1461686935;mircea_popescu;one reason or another = tried to fly ?
1457979;1461686987;asciilifeform;nah, more of a 'didn't show both hands in traffic stop' sort of thing
1457980;1461687279;asciilifeform;also why spurious pretense ? it isn't as if they actually ~need~ 50 cut-throats with machine guns and grappling hooks, grenades, to corral a murdock
1457981;1461687307;asciilifeform;a generation ago it would've been a polite 'come to the station with us plox'
1457982;1461687332;mircea_popescu;spurious pretense on the part of the monkeyman
1457983;1461687344;mircea_popescu;pretending like he is "a professorial type" when no such thing exists.
1457984;1461687354;mircea_popescu;much like the argentine pretending to be whatever the fuck they pretend to be, real estate agents
1457985;1461687368;asciilifeform;well whatever type that dun need a battalion to arrest
1457986;1461687374;mircea_popescu;while their tummy hasn't seen two simultanerous empanadas to rub together since 1992
1457987;1461687462;mats;lol
1457988;1461687468;asciilifeform;a real salesman and a charlatan are both same for the purpose of 'dun need 50 policemen with grenades', no ?
1457989;1461687499;mircea_popescu;from the purpose of "50 policement with grenades show up", there DOES NOT EXIST such a thing as "salesman" or "charlatan".
1457990;1461687522;mircea_popescu;period and full fucking stop, theorethicology proposes but ontology disposes.
1457991;1461687593;asciilifeform;consider that in su no such thing showed up.
1457992;1461687597;asciilifeform;for anybody.
1457993;1461687609;mircea_popescu;precisely and exactly like "whatcha waitin' for ho, this cock to suck itself ?" "hey, i'm the Queen of De Nile!" "Mno, you're just some ho in the ho-bar. Get busy."
1457994;1461687628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what if it didn't ?
1457995;1461687653;asciilifeform;usians are often quite surprised when i tell them that it didn't. and disbelieve.
1457996;1461687663;asciilifeform;'bbbbut t0t4l1t4r14n!1111'
1457997;1461687669;mircea_popescu;and in entirely unrelated news, some jokers registered a http://brokercheck.finra.org/Firm/Summary/173059 "triloma" thing last year
1457998;1461687702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, but soviets were also retarded. at some point half of leningrad got the order to kill the other half - and they did!
1457999;1461687740;asciilifeform;betcha half of washington would merrily strangle the other half
1458000;1461687744;asciilifeform;just gotta know who to ask.
1458001;1461687755;mircea_popescu;maybe googlebook can help.
1458002;1461687764;asciilifeform;stranglebook.
1458003;1461687848;asciilifeform;the hutus had to coordinate strikes on tutsis via radio, but modern amerikka can do better!1111
1458004;1461687884;mats;https://spin.atomicobject.com/2016/04/26/swift-long-compile-time/
1458005;1461687890;mats;'the above dictionary literal code takes at least 12 hours to compile. The compilation time grows roughly exponentially with each employee that is added.'
1458006;1461687905;mats;nice.
1458007;1461687950;asciilifeform;'Type inference is known to be a bit slow when inferring nested data structures. I think they’re hoping to speed it up before the release of Swift 3, but for now you can make the compilation faster by adding a type annotation...'
1458008;1461687954;asciilifeform;l0l!111
1458009;1461687960;mircea_popescu;dat matt nedrich dude...
1458010;1461687984;asciilifeform;'we luvvv haskell and want to be it, so what if we have half of the min iq'
1458011;1461688016;mircea_popescu;you have gotta be kidding me, what could possibly take 12 hours to "compile" in a flat list of 20 elements ?1
1458012;1461688055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what took 2 hrs in winblowz-95 installer ?
1458013;1461688073;mircea_popescu;i never installed one o.O
1458014;1461688084;asciilifeform;only a t3rr0r1st!11 would ask!
1458015;1461688159;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it had empty loop and grunted the floppy drv (yes) to create impression of activity
1458016;1461688171;mircea_popescu;lol!
1458017;1461688171;asciilifeform;as the cube dweller is, thus also is his software.
1458018;1461688182;asciilifeform;'sound and fury, signifying nothing' (tm) (r)
1458019;1461688205;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, cumu-i turcu' si pistolu'.
1458020;1461688216;mircea_popescu;(like the turk, so is his pistol)
1458021;1461688224;asciilifeform;similar, i think.
1458022;1461688434;phf;mircea_popescu: those were anecdotes from early facebook days along the lines of "everyone i knew was doing google in ~2005~". the feature necessary to make it useful for milking were locked down way back
1458023;1461688443;phf;*features
1458024;1461688471;mircea_popescu;either that or the cowsies no longer congregate there.
1458025;1461688515;mircea_popescu;the simple fact is that the sphere has shattered into shattered shards. i go into detail somewhere, but too lazy to dig it up, so let's rehash briefly : who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google ?
1458026;1461688535;mircea_popescu;if i want to know who the president is, by that token i'm retarded. if i actually need to google "funny pics" to have a laugh, idem.
1458027;1461688562;mircea_popescu;back in 2000, there was no fucking way to know shit existed. today, not knowing shit exists means you're from india or tardstalk or something.
1458028;1461688604;phf;i remember that thread
1458029;1461688665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ...who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google... << error messages.
1458030;1461688667;mircea_popescu;i mean seriously, imagine it... "hurr durr i heard a new word today, bitocin. let me google b-i-t-o-c-i-n click hmmm... apparently it's Bit-Coin. o look it's a dashed histributed layer of tips! NEAT! i'ma tell all my friends, which just happen to be plushies cut like japanese girls!"
1458031;1461688668;asciilifeform;and usenet.
1458032;1461688694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes yes, exceptions. think of what the advertisers [are supposed to] think when they imagine this process.
1458033;1461688701;asciilifeform;they think?
1458034;1461688711;asciilifeform;since when does cargocult involve thought
1458035;1461688764;mircea_popescu;whole echafaudage is predicated on people thinking a certain way. like so : http://trilema.com/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/#comment-117109
1458036;1461688765;mircea_popescu;"But fine, we are discussing arbitrary things so why not arbitrarily eliminate key US advantages? It goes with the theme of the conversation."
1458037;1461688784;mircea_popescu;guy's intelligent but old. this means he lacks the flexibility to see past the mental construction. he's the target.
1458038;1461688793;mircea_popescu;once you accept a pattern, you're good for a ride.
1458039;1461688818;mircea_popescu;[which ties neatly into rng discussion yest and structured-behaviour-and-the-wot perennially]
1458040;1461688844;asciilifeform;~once you can be modelled~ yer good for a ride.
1458041;1461688881;mircea_popescu;yeah. that's the whole thing with poker, the lowest level play "for fun". then the "experts" in their own narrow social circle read up on statistics once and vaguely recall the probabilities.
1458042;1461688895;phf;hmm
1458043;1461688902;mircea_popescu;then the actual experts feed them patterns and reel them in - which is why expert can play for twenty hours and slowly rake a room 5% at a time.
1458044;1461688942;asciilifeform;that ~exactly same thing happens in finance, is, i think, known to all at this point
1458045;1461688956;mircea_popescu;the pinnacle of this being that scene immortalized by rounders, possibly the forever best scene of all poker since it's going out as someone was pointing out here recently.
1458046;1461688991;asciilifeform;nothing is forever, who today plays 'pharaoh' ?
1458047;1461689010;mircea_popescu;poker liked to think itself forever. ah, sweet 90s.
1458048;1461689032;mircea_popescu;such a great time, clinton was president, the "indomitable" deficit reigned in, the wall down, floods of prime eeuro pussy everwhere...
1458049;1461689047;asciilifeform;msdos!
1458050;1461689050;mircea_popescu;it's like the 20s except the 90s.
1458051;1461689051;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458052;1461689203;mircea_popescu;(ref: "[Announcer] Eric Seidel cannot win this hand, and yet he doesn't know it. Chan is trying to sucker him in by taking his time. Oh, look at that look of the defending champ.")
1458053;1461689227;mats;am confuse why the new $20 is so controversial
1458054;1461689236;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1458055;1461689237;mats;is this what white guilt looks like
1458056;1461689266;mats;new $20 has tubman and jackson on it
1458057;1461689549;mats;some back story, jackson was a slave owner and killed a buncha savages - tubman, was an abolitionist
1458058;1461689580;mircea_popescu;ok but more's the point, how controversial is it ? i never heard about it.
1458059;1461689697;phf;i think it's controversial that $100 no longer looks like this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R00JYEDJOe0/T_0IOf1ijyI/AAAAAAAADWE/j48TxYMCpqw/s1600/IMG_2349.JPG everything past that is just digging the grave deeper
1458060;1461689729;mircea_popescu;i think it's ridiculous that there's no $1500 bill to go with the $1000 euro / $5000 ron etc.
1458061;1461689738;mircea_popescu;heck, even the argentines introduced high denoms
1458062;1461689801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they existed at one time
1458063;1461689807;phf;i thought they used to have it, but discontinued once bezzle started settling in
1458064;1461689808;punkman;they aren't printing a lot of 500eur notes yet, I wonder if people are paying a premium to acquire them
1458065;1461689809;asciilifeform;abolished, to make transport of megabux harder
1458066;1461689821;mats;i dno, weirdly enough most of the noise is from my network that is like 5% white and weren't born in us
1458067;1461689843;mircea_popescu;punkman i've yet to have a bank bitch when ordered to deliver
1458068;1461689868;mircea_popescu;not necessarily surprising they wouldn't print a lot tho, what's most peopel to do with their salary in a single bill ?
1458069;1461689884;punkman;not even a salary
1458070;1461689884;asciilifeform;stuff in arse and flee from usaschwitz ?
1458071;1461689889;mats;some of the whining is a rehash of 'why is jackson the oppressor even on our money' and the rest is 'why a black woman, now, and what happened to the refresh of the $10 first?'
1458072;1461689890;asciilifeform;hence WHY no 1bill
1458073;1461689893;punkman;gonna need change
1458074;1461689925;mircea_popescu;punkman last i saw ~50% of pop made ~500 euros, but w/e, thereabouts.
1458075;1461689956;mircea_popescu;mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay.
1458076;1461689987;asciilifeform;aaaaand because great hero of monkey riiiiights movement!1111
1458077;1461689997;mircea_popescu;"hey kids - here's a take home story : for as long as you subscribe to the correct/fashionable ideology, you too can one day be 20-dollar famous, provided were born with the right gene combo."
1458078;1461690017;mircea_popescu;sounds self-parodically reactionary, but what do i know.
1458079;1461690056;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harriet_Tubman&offset=&limit=100&action=history lol check out the edits by the dozen
1458080;1461690061;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://c2n.me/3xdhgxv.jpg
1458081;1461690123;mircea_popescu;punkman clearly, tardpedia works as intended.
1458082;1461690203;mats;i dunno why americans aren't proud of beating the savages into submission and taking all their shit
1458083;1461690219;mircea_popescu;which savages and what's "americans"
1458084;1461690277;mats;'american indians', los pobladores de estados unidos
1458085;1461690350;asciilifeform;mats: they WERE, until su kgb did in the 1960s the equivalent of spraying mercury into aluminum airplane, and injected usa with 'cultural marxism' and xyz-studies etc.
1458086;1461690357;asciilifeform;from that point on, rot.
1458087;1461690373;mircea_popescu;eh injected my foot.
1458088;1461690414;asciilifeform;poor foot!11
1458089;1461690474;mats;topically, there are a lot more 'confucius institutes' since i last checked
1458090;1461690488;mats;azn invasion
1458091;1461690513;asciilifeform;mats: afaik most of these folk dun do 'studies', they do engineering etc
1458092;1461690528;asciilifeform;if they are beginning to 'institute' it means the local poison has done its work on'em.
1458093;1461690686;mats;my understanding is it is purely a soft power thing, teach people mandarin, expose 'em to chinese 'culture' (there is history but no culture), with the aim of developing foreign assets perhaps
1458094;1461690725;asciilifeform;aside from career linguists, i know ~no one doing this.
1458095;1461690728;mats;i've never been able to wrap my head around these things, looks purely -ev but what do i know about economy anyways
1458096;1461690752;asciilifeform;mats: wouldya believe su published a 'sov life' magazine for america.
1458097;1461690757;mircea_popescu;mats what do you mean no culture ? confucianism is very good cowsy culture, i'm surprised it didn't become more popular in the us sooner
1458098;1461690774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incompatible with 'star topology' !!!
1458099;1461690784;asciilifeform;teaches son to venerate father, not Great Inca.
1458100;1461690788;mircea_popescu;i guess. but very jewish you know, cunt planet 100%
1458101;1461690798;asciilifeform;but this is not the only criterion.
1458102;1461690803;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1458103;1461690835;mircea_popescu;fwiw, this was pretty much the only thing keeping china from demographic collapse except in 1100 not in 1900 like barbarian europe.
1458104;1461691043;mats;confucianism is not as popular as it used to be
1458105;1461691078;mats;and it is even more fragmented than in the past
1458106;1461691091;mircea_popescu;fortunately ~nobody cares about pancakeface gurlz. otherwise we'd be in deep shit, from what i hear the demand is pretty crazy in china.
1458107;1461691092;mats;i personally dunno anyone that cares about it. money is the new religion.
1458108;1461691139;mats;i can tell you don't know many azns
1458109;1461691148;mats;or they wouldn't be pancakeface anymoar
1458110;1461691153;mircea_popescu;mats what's it take to be able to pick among the B/B+s 19-29 in beijing these days ? 1mn cash + 500k/year ?
1458111;1461691188;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu is into chix as tall as he is, of whom there are ~3 in cn.
1458112;1461691192;mats;idk
1458113;1461691199;mircea_popescu;mats indeed not. and also can't fucking stand the obnoxious habit of whining and no-no-no-ing etc.
1458114;1461691214;mats;???
1458115;1461691220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that also yeah, but i kept it lowball. i guess 1.75+ counts for A+++ in there.
1458116;1461691253;mats;idk what you're talking about, certainly not a pervasive phenomenon
1458117;1461691262;mats;what, you been watching .jp porn?
1458118;1461691277;mircea_popescu;maybe just meeting the wrong crowd.
1458119;1461691286;mircea_popescu;sluttery is now socially acceptable in cn mainstream ?!
1458120;1461691336;mats;everything has been on sale for decades
1458121;1461691349;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between the actuality and the pretense of it.
1458122;1461691361;mircea_popescu;and the pretense generally annoys me.
1458123;1461691380;mats;there is perennial talk about traditional values, but i suspect its mostly to placate the peasants
1458124;1461691426;BingoBoingo; mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay. << Hey, she was a gun rights supporter and early member of the GOP establishment. Definitely a Kasich voter.
1458125;1461691438;mircea_popescu;aok.
1458126;1461691454;mats;if you move in certain circles, ie folks in bidness, gov, pussy is for sale, display, wutever you want
1458127;1461691471;mats;also lots of ketamine.
1458128;1461691501;mircea_popescu;do you know this from experience, hearsay, internets ?
1458129;1461691577;mats;i grew up with a number of folks that work there
1458130;1461691586;mats;work there now, anyways.
1458131;1461691586;*;BingoBoingo enjoys irony of Bahamas removing early 19th century Bernie Sanders from $20 to replace with founding member of GOP establishment.
1458132;1461691610;mircea_popescu;mats i keep trying to convince myself to try china with little result.
1458133;1461691645;mats;idk why you wanted to go in the first place
1458134;1461691660;mircea_popescu;gotta see the world!
1458135;1461691662;mats;ancap and all, doesn't suit you
1458136;1461691671;mircea_popescu;how's that ?
1458137;1461691676;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu was expecting it to pop ?
1458138;1461691677;mats;plus you don't even like .cn females!
1458139;1461691700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu seems to like places about to pop
1458140;1461691701;mircea_popescu;maybe they keep the good ones hidden or something.
1458141;1461691721;mats;ancaps want voluntary state, doesn't this conflict with living in a totalitarian universe of short people?
1458142;1461691722;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the rape the argentines are receiving is SO FUCKING SATISFYING you can't imagine.
1458143;1461691730;asciilifeform;i can picture !
1458144;1461691740;mircea_popescu;mats you havta appreciate, i don't personally live anywhere ; interface the state away.
1458145;1461691772;mircea_popescu;the last time i had a bill in my name i was 15 and thought it was cool.
1458146;1461691775;mats;ah yes, the fabled technocratic nomad
1458147;1461691782;asciilifeform;the rape << can haz $10k flat in b-a yet ??
1458148;1461691793;asciilifeform;or not ~so~ raped
1458149;1461691799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but they're softening, bout half under 100k now, from over 150k a coupla years ago.
1458150;1461691807;asciilifeform;eh i can get this in bmore
1458151;1461691814;mats;lol
1458152;1461691815;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458153;1461691821;asciilifeform;useless111
1458154;1461691831;mircea_popescu;don't be silly, this is a 10mn pop town with one murder LAST YEAR
1458155;1461691839;mircea_popescu;get THAT in the 100 baltimores it'd take.
1458156;1461691881;asciilifeform;interestingly usg does not publish murder stats divided into ~civilians~ and not
1458157;1461691894;asciilifeform;would be informative
1458158;1461691921;asciilifeform;as it is, we're squarely into 'average person has 1 ball and 1 ovary' territory.
1458159;1461691928;mircea_popescu;yeah, that was teh SIDE
1458160;1461691936;mircea_popescu;looks like ex-chief whore is going to jail over it, too
1458161;1461691959;asciilifeform;nowai
1458162;1461691963;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458163;1461691986;mircea_popescu;(as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc).
1458164;1461692003;asciilifeform;betcha she already has asylum flat in sanfran waitin'.
1458165;1461692024;mircea_popescu;and in other news of deep americana interest & BingoBoingo custom tail-ored, http://mormongirlz.com
1458166;1461692058;ben_vulpes;phf: saw that, rofld hard
1458167;1461692072;ben_vulpes;lectured girl on how this is outgrowth of cultural attitudes around computers that nobody owns
1458168;1461692083;ben_vulpes;girl ams fascinate
1458169;1461692095;mats;lol mormongirlz
1458170;1461692100;mircea_popescu;wait, tmsr helping fascinate girls ? since 2016 ?
1458171;1461692123;ben_vulpes;not tmsr, me.
1458172;1461692129;mircea_popescu;oimsorry.
1458173;1461692146;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457821 << there are some minorly trivial security concerns to keep in mind when building webapps
1458174;1461692146;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 14:45 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457629
1458175;1461692158;ben_vulpes;specificity of diddling applies.
1458176;1461692165;ben_vulpes;and ftr i motherfucking /hate/ python.
1458177;1461692177;asciilifeform;ditto
1458178;1461692178;ben_vulpes;for web shit specifically.
1458179;1461692181;mircea_popescu;eh, most of the webstack is SO ROTTEN anyway, you're not fighting against serious economic interest.
1458180;1461692186;asciilifeform;i used it because i found a pgp parser thing for it.
1458181;1461692192;mircea_popescu;anyone even moderately inclinemd can just own any-other-site insteadf
1458182;1461692225;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu for that portal into Utahian culture
1458183;1461692264;mircea_popescu;yep, guy that runs it actually is from slc.
1458184;1461692522;shinohai;http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/04/25/what-hell-artist-crucifies-jesus-on-dartboard.html
1458185;1461695425;BingoBoingo; (as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc). << care to qntra a short oped on the matter this evening?
1458186;1461695445;mircea_popescu;tis kinda counter-timing, and not really qntra-level of yet.
1458187;1461695460;trinque;hunchentoot is good
1458188;1461695464;mircea_popescu;sort-of on radar but not dinged yet.
1458189;1461695850;mircea_popescu;Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 1888 << soon to 2k!
1458190;1461696021;punkman;ben_vulpes: I don't think there's something not to hate
1458191;1461696031;punkman;but what's so terrible about py anyway?
1458192;1461696622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i really will have to make it paged
1458193;1461696631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it already annihilates some of the crappier browserz
1458194;1461696670;asciilifeform;punkman: iirc we had a 'why we hate' thread re it
1458195;1461696692;asciilifeform;for one thing, python 2 or 3
1458196;1461696725;asciilifeform;for another, the fact that i can even ask this !!
1458197;1461696809;trinque;the thing having pilfered lisp's notion of operating over lists without having added anything novel/useful itself, and having removed many useful things, such as the language itself being those lists
1458198;1461696862;trinque;fuck python; it is an example of design for "those people" i.e. the idiot consumer or whoever.
1458199;1461696927;asciilifeform;trinque: i use it as pretty much a less-carcinogenic perl.
1458200;1461697013;ben_vulpes;punkman: mostly the miserable OOP implementation.
1458201;1461697030;ben_vulpes;even Java's OOP is less fucking miserable.
1458202;1461697053;trinque;when I write py, I try to forget that it has an OOP impl entirely.
1458203;1461697070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, prolly make it in 100s.
1458204;1461697071;ben_vulpes;trinque: this is why i do webshits in clojure.
1458205;1461697075;trinque;asciilifeform: it can be useful for that, less painful sometimes than perl or bash
1458206;1461697087;ben_vulpes;plus miserable miserable miserable concurrency constructs.
1458207;1461697088;mircea_popescu;ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
1458208;1461697171;trinque;https://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e/ << /me barfs
1458209;1461697645;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458207 << i found out, already, why. will be fixed on next reload.
1458210;1461697645;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 18:58 mircea_popescu: ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
1458211;1461697668;mircea_popescu;cool. not so much a problem on single page, but killer if you paginate obviously.
1458212;1461697669;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458202 << yeah i use it as a perl
1458213;1461697669;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 18:57 trinque: when I write py, I try to forget that it has an OOP impl entirely.
1458214;1461697688;asciilifeform;no oop, no proggy > a few pgs
1458215;1461697699;mircea_popescu;ftr, in the few and far between cases i wrote anything in c++ i also ignored the whole "oop" stuff.
1458216;1461697715;mircea_popescu;perhaps helped along by the fact that at the time oop was a NEW HOT MUST USE technologee
1458217;1461697720;asciilifeform;phuctor is ~600 ln.
1458218;1461697843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oop was ~new in 1972.
1458219;1461697857;asciilifeform;HOTHOT111111!~!111 in '90s yes.
1458220;1461697861;asciilifeform;when the remoras got to it.
1458221;1461697894;mircea_popescu;myeah. monkeys.bas was full of the shit, iirc, but at the time more of a "check out how weird ms is" than anything
1458222;1461697904;mircea_popescu;or was it gorrilaz.bas ?
1458223;1461697912;asciilifeform;gorillas
1458224;1461697932;asciilifeform;http://www.jefflewis.net/archive/programming/gorilla.bas
1458225;1461697974;asciilifeform;i dun see oopism in there ?
1458226;1461698077;asciilifeform;i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic
1458227;1461698758;trinque;glorious Visual Basic has classes
1458228;1461698801;asciilifeform;trinque: the infamous 'gorillas.bas' came with msdos tho
1458229;1461698804;asciilifeform;'qbasic'.
1458230;1461698904;phf;python is good basic
1458231;1461698989;asciilifeform;phf: one could almost think so until realize that it has auto-installers for libs
1458232;1461699003;asciilifeform;and ~2 decades of cancer
1458233;1461699010;asciilifeform;for all of basic's faults it had no such.
1458234;1461699041;phf;basic was around before auto-installers were a thing, if it survived into 2012, would have same
1458235;1461699062;asciilifeform;there are even now basic users.
1458236;1461699086;asciilifeform;'freebasic', and iirc even 'euphoria' - which was arguably a basic - is still used
1458237;1461699113;asciilifeform;and i'd be surprised if both did not now have lib cancer
1458238;1461699137;*;shinohai still has a TRS-80 running "Extended Color BAsic" lulz
1458239;1461699295;phf;i've hacked basic recently, "chipmunk" for mac
1458240;1461699303;phf;well two years ago
1458241;1461699369;phf; actually i wrote some code couple of months ago for qbasic because i was curious about the surprisingly feature rich gui stuff. wish i knew about that growing up
1458242;1461699371;asciilifeform;i think pretty much everyone has a 'bedtime' lang where he can sit down and write 3 lines that no, won't show to anyone, but do xxx
1458243;1461699461;phf;oh in that sense i prefer python, it has enough libs to make it very good at "hacking". pyquery, request, pyobjc
1458244;1461699507;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458212 <<
1458245;1461699507;a111;Logged on 2016-04-26 19:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1458202 << yeah i use it as a perl
1458246;1461699528;asciilifeform;aha.
1458247;1461699563;trinque;seems right that the very things that make it expedient for hacking something together are what rot the "ecosystem"
1458248;1461699614;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm not convinced of this
1458249;1461699670;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/tx/cc455ae816e6cdafdb58d54e35d4f46d860047458eacf1c7405dc634631c570d << lulzies
1458250;1461699675;punkman;phf, speaking of requests in particular (about 80% of the py code I write does http reqs), I've conclude that it's a piece of shit along with everything from the author
1458251;1461699731;punkman;I'm considering going back to libcurl
1458252;1461699769;phf;i agree re piece of shit, but not sure about libcurl, i remember it being a pain in the ass to "configure" to do simple things
1458253;1461699777;punkman;fine if you are doing a dozen requests, miserable when you are doing millions per hour
1458254;1461699783;phf;ahah
1458255;1461699787;ben_vulpes;urllib2 is a perfect example of "but i don't want to write oopython!"
1458256;1461699793;ben_vulpes;"TOO BAD, SUCKER"
1458257;1461699802;punkman;I've written my own libcurl wrappers every time I gotta use it with some random language
1458258;1461699829;phf;i write twisted when i need to do anything "millions" and "network" in python
1458259;1461699864;punkman;last time I worked on someone's twisted stuff it was horribly complicated but yeah
1458260;1461699866;asciilifeform;'millions' --straight to--> c/asm
1458261;1461699871;asciilifeform;srsly
1458262;1461700038;ben_vulpes;> straight to c
1458263;1461700043;ben_vulpes;you are a masochist
1458264;1461700070;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you ~actually~ need millions/whatevers/sec
1458265;1461701687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic << i didn't care for the naming conventions! SAME THING!
1458266;1461701695;*;mircea_popescu admits his memory is hazy at best.
1458267;1461701732;asciilifeform;but which is the 'same thing'
1458268;1461701739;asciilifeform;it barely has user-definable types !
1458269;1461701760;mircea_popescu; sciilifeform> trinque: i'm not convinced of this << i'm convinced of not-this. observe paper-and-pencil never rotted.
1458270;1461704341;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, the new argentine govt liberalised the fx ; as a result the anemic bitcoin market (which was doing 1-10 btc/day throughout the financial controls regime) entirely vanished. i'd be surprised if monthly volume country wise reached 20 btc now.
1458271;1461704356;mircea_popescu;(this is good for bitcoin )
1458272;1461705239;asciilifeform;$up tripleslash
1458273;1461705250;deedbot;tripleslash voiced for 30 minutes.
1458274;1461705285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1-10 btc is dryer lint
1458275;1461705287;asciilifeform;srsly ?
1458276;1461705370;shinohai;Feel free to send your dryer lint to my piggy bank asciilifeform
1458277;1461705648;trinque;$up deedbot-
1458278;1461705649;deedbot;deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
1458279;1461705696;trinque;^ that'll finally go away tonight; gonna finish !deed
1458280;1461705726;trinque;gotta make sure it's bit-identical with the py implementation
1458281;1461711395;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1458282;1461711400;gribble;Current Blocks: 409059 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 188 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1458283;1461712343;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, srsly.
1458284;1461712793;mircea_popescu;and in other news, i get http://dpaste.com/3T7BNAM which is somewhat flattering, because https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2016-02/msg00225.html
1458285;1461712801;mircea_popescu;for bonus points, https://bitly.com/pages/landing/branded-short-domains-powered-by-bitly?bsd=wiht.link
1458286;1461715380;mircea_popescu;and in other gay prison music videos news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iUGfURqyhs
1458287;1461716353;shinohai;dafuq did i just watch
1458288;1461716413;shinohai;Moldavian mobsters and traps?
1458289;1461716426;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1458290;1461716837;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko << this shit is goddamned hilarious
1458291;1461716886;trinque;in my mind, it is about an appreciative john that thanked his favorite whores with their own music video
1458292;1461716928;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wtf surreal shit
1458293;1461716949;mircea_popescu;think he has a chance in us pres race ?
1458294;1461716957;mircea_popescu;hair seems ~right i think ?
1458295;1461716973;mats;thats a lot of views
1458296;1461716987;mircea_popescu;all the famous shit nobody knew about.
1458297;1461717077;mircea_popescu;so : turns out a) the guy is romanian ; b) COMPLETE ro media blackout on him. i think they're embarassed. ~only mention is from jan pointing out he was mentioned in huffpo
1458298;1461717099;mircea_popescu;(ro tards are, like all third world shitheads, verily enamoured with the zombie-libtard venues)
1458299;1461717177;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, more youtube views than romania altogether lol. clearly media blackout works!!1
1458300;1461717551;punkman;sounds a lot like greek kitsch gypsy songs
1458301;1461717560;mircea_popescu;~what it is
1458302;1461717659;mircea_popescu;ahahaha prince had been doing 100k worth of dilaudid a year for 25 years ?
1458303;1461718492;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/CqzXb5J.jpg
1458304;1461718538;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458302 << notheorems.jpg
1458305;1461718538;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 00:40 mircea_popescu: ahahaha prince had been doing 100k worth of dilaudid a year for 25 years ?
1458306;1461718569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005 << see also.
1458307;1461718569;a111;Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1458308;1461718574;mircea_popescu;but in other bikini news, http://s27.postimg.org/sbojlfger/bikini3.jpg
1458309;1461718619;shinohai;niiiiice mircea_popescu
1458310;1461718927;asciilifeform;i simply dun grasp rich folk who take 'downers'
1458311;1461718938;asciilifeform;srsly, why.
1458312;1461718966;mircea_popescu;guy had some sort of injuries. futzing around on stage for years is a very skeleton-damaging line.
1458313;1461718975;asciilifeform;then possibly
1458314;1461719052;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/qnb-response.jpg << qnb lulz
1458315;1461719087;mircea_popescu;wtf is this lame shit, "we would like for this to not exist kthx"
1458316;1461719092;asciilifeform;sop
1458317;1461719098;asciilifeform;see also 'ashley madison' et al
1458318;1461719123;mircea_popescu;wtf "sop". no fucking "sop". i sold them no sop licenses. and who the fuck cares about employee counts, bejaysus.
1458319;1461719308;mircea_popescu;the national bank of quatar is marginally qualified to serve street kebap. in a year or two they may get their game up to where they can make a tardstalk account and not seem out-of-place idiotic.
1458320;1461719369;asciilifeform;hey at least it isn't ukr bank
1458321;1461719461;mircea_popescu;in more qatar national bank news, http://i.imgur.com/lVHz8s1.jpg
1458322;1461719481;asciilifeform;wut
1458323;1461719509;asciilifeform;last rites huh.
1458324;1461719536;mircea_popescu;something
1458325;1461719572;shinohai;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/04/25/beautiful-people-dating-site-that-rejects-unattractive-profiles/
1458326;1461719595;asciilifeform;shinohai: coming next, jewelry shop that ejects poor people !
1458327;1461719622;shinohai;>.<
1458328;1461719706;shinohai;I found it funny the # of reported .gov emails supposedly in this dump
1458329;1461720530;mircea_popescu;seems improbable tho, military peeps are slobs in all times/places.
1458330;1461722994;phf;http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2204118 "The venerable Linux /dev/random served users of cryptographic mechanisms well for a long time. ... In the last years, however, the Linux /dev/random showed signs of age where it has challenges to cope with modern computing environments"
1458331;1461723150;phf;and the corresponding whitepaper http://www.chronox.de/lrng/doc/lrng.pdf
1458332;1461723550;mircea_popescu;the venerable penis, also.
1458333;1461723584;phf;"The cryptographic processing of the entropic data is implemented with a well-known and well-studied deterministic random number generator: an SP800- 90A DRBG as defined in [2] – naturally excluding the NSA-sponsored Dual-EC DRBG. "
1458334;1461723592;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/lchVxNo.gif
1458335;1461723595;phf;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST_SP_800-90A
1458336;1461724402;mike_c;btcalpha is back up
1458337;1461724630;mike_c;ping danielpbarron - what's this eulorum problem you're seeing?
1458338;1461724864;mike_c;;;later tell danielpbarron well, let me know if you're still having problems.
1458339;1461724865;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1458340;1461724928;danielpbarron;still can't log in
1458341;1461725447;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/440D0BC08E2900358948A4780B4049E8150E7468DB850EE4F3688EA22750A92E << lel
1458342;1461725473;phf;nice
1458343;1461725837;mike_c;danielpbarron: try now.
1458344;1461725843;mike_c;surprise, php is a piece of shit
1458345;1461725902;mike_c;;;later tell danielpbarron fixed.
1458346;1461725902;mircea_popescu;lies.
1458347;1461725903;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1458348;1461725925;danielpbarron;mike_c, works now. thank you
1458349;1461725928;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://archive.is/brnwC
1458350;1461725934;mircea_popescu;(seo is useless. proof inside.)
1458351;1461726075;mike_c;at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
1458352;1461726273;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458335 << do i need to dissect this step by step, or is the braindamage obvious ?
1458353;1461726273;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 02:19 phf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIST_SP_800-90A
1458354;1461726305;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458330 < guy had some sort of injuries. futzing around on stage for years is a very skeleton-damaging line. << Also religious objection to blood transfusions so no elective surgeries
1458368;1461729994;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ty, i try
1458369;1461730051;mircea_popescu;someone should make a new, modernized alf that's all hipster-trendsetting and excited by novelties.
1458370;1461730137;ben_vulpes;3/3
1458371;1461730155;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ever dig 'tank girl'?
1458372;1461730161;mircea_popescu;no think about it, could be trap with plasticated expression.
1458373;1461730180;mircea_popescu;ie, the move ?
1458374;1461730187;ben_vulpes;nono, original comix
1458375;1461730197;mircea_popescu;never saw it.
1458376;1461730197;ben_vulpes;late eighties, early nineties.
1458377;1461730212;mircea_popescu;smacks of this "cpt planet" thing to me, but anyways
1458378;1461730249;ben_vulpes;howso? c.p. is a 'save the world' sorta thing, t.g., much more "drink beer slaughter normies with nukes"
1458379;1461730276;mircea_popescu;just going by the movie. got al ink for comic ?
1458380;1461730401;ben_vulpes;also 20 yo's getting rogered by kangaroos, voodoo plastic surgery, great australian beer heist, thrown boxing matches...
1458381;1461730453;ben_vulpes;https://kat.cr/tank-girl-ultimate-mega-collection-emidius-t9778866.html << 's the one i procured
1458382;1461730481;ben_vulpes;only made it through vol. 1, just curious if you'd seen the thing
1458383;1461730487;ben_vulpes;requires esoteric '.cbr' reader
1458384;1461730493;mircea_popescu;check out vulpes procuring for us
1458385;1461730536;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to load ?
1458386;1461730611;ben_vulpes;no?
1458387;1461730634;ben_vulpes;https://torcache.net/torrent/6F219396E49FC7FD5C801703FCDE98D114643865.torrent?title=[kat.cr]tank.girl.ultimate.mega.collection.emidius << torrent file itself
1458388;1461730730;mircea_popescu;uh. why does a cartoon need to be a torrent ?!
1458389;1461730765;mircea_popescu;anywya, i dun actuallyhave a way to get that.
1458390;1461730818;ben_vulpes;> du -sh Tank\ Girl\ Ultimate\ Mega\ Collection/
1458391;1461730820;ben_vulpes;1.9G Tank Girl Ultimate Mega Collection/
1458392;1461730865;mircea_popescu;o.O
1458393;1461730891;ben_vulpes;anyway i don't see how 'need' enters into anything. tis only as i said more or less how i procured the thing
1458394;1461730896;mircea_popescu;so cartoon like southpark not like oglaf
1458395;1461730901;ben_vulpes;mnope
1458396;1461730908;mircea_popescu;somehow i was thinking it's you know, a webcomic
1458397;1461730917;ben_vulpes;no, illustrated with ink.
1458398;1461730924;ben_vulpes;and scanned in loving detail.
1458399;1461730933;ben_vulpes;so's to capture the absurd level of detail.
1458400;1461730934;mircea_popescu;can i has a 1mb summary ? i dun really care for the flac version
1458401;1461730960;ben_vulpes;i am not an ffmpeg
1458402;1461731004;ben_vulpes;and you'd not care for the trouble it takes to set my flags even were i
1458403;1461731026;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458404;1461732023;mircea_popescu;Drakma/2.0.1_(Clozure_Common_Lisp_Version_1.10-r16531M << check iot out there exists a cl web browser ?
1458405;1461732024;ben_vulpes;http://imgur.com/a/b6GDM << nevertheless, i further procure a very humrng sample of the work
1458406;1461732046;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it is an http client
1458407;1461732064;ben_vulpes;if someone has turned it into a 'browser' i will lol
1458408;1461732067;mircea_popescu;o hey, sorta like johnny the homicidal maniac would be if it had color and it were a girl ?
1458409;1461732080;ben_vulpes;in the vein, i suppose
1458410;1461732089;ben_vulpes;the color is limited to covers
1458411;1461732097;ben_vulpes;oh man jthm
1458412;1461732114;*;ben_vulpes has not read comics in a while
1458413;1461732187;mircea_popescu;lol how to be a boring shithead
1458414;1461732258;mircea_popescu;;;google StolenCameraFinder
1458415;1461732258;gribble;Stolen Camera Finder - find your photos, find your camera: ; Stolen Camera Finder - how it works: ; Stolen Camera Finder - supported cameras:
1458416;1461732410;mircea_popescu;https://standardcrypto.wordpress.com << and who's this ?
1458417;1461734938;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1006452
1458418;1461735729;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4264
1458419;1461736558;mats;http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2016/04/25/millennials-may-need-drill-sgts-beyond-basic-army-says/83274044 heh
1458420;1461750897;phf;ben_vulpes: I will save you a lot of trouble, .cbr is just a rar archive
1458421;1461751042;phf;(full of normally high resolution jpegs, or any other standard format images)
1458422;1461757415;punkman;http://blog.dantup.com/2016/04/have-software-developers-given-up/ web3.0 lulz
1458423;1461757427;punkman;and .cbz is a zip archive
1458424;1461759535;asciilifeform;speaking of comics about badgurlz, my all-time favourite: http://www.viruscomix.com/estar.html
1458425;1461759564;asciilifeform;(entirely on www, no need to search for warez)
1458426;1461760780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458422 << mega-zoo
1458427;1461760780;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 11:43 punkman: http://blog.dantup.com/2016/04/have-software-developers-given-up/ web3.0 lulz
1458428;1461760804;asciilifeform;Run Moar Teenager Proggy!1111
1458429;1461766137;jurov;related lulz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36827659/compiling-an-application-for-use-in-highly-radio-active-environments
1458430;1461766148;jurov;"When deployed, our application generates some erroneous data, and crashes more often that we would like."
1458431;1461767940;mircea_popescu;o brother.
1458432;1461767998;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so scruffy pothead running with a backpack is surprised to find the police might have some questions. mmmkay ?
1458433;1461768007;BingoBoingo;yeah
1458434;1461768028;BingoBoingo;But the fat police
1458435;1461768037;mircea_popescu;well, at least according to him.
1458436;1461768095;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in today's other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/0ba742ea028185ae8761b05802799bac/tumblr_nihoj8cgjJ1rlusxso1_500.gif
1458437;1461768252;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no dispute that the only salvation for usians alive today is to be found in slavery.
1458438;1461768307;mircea_popescu;the catch being that unless given whips and a cemetery to fill, the grunts will overpower the drill sgt, and instead of the latter lifting the former, it'll just be the former flattening the latter into a parodic figure.
1458439;1461768397;asciilifeform;and walrus 2 .. N will overpower walrus-1 ahaha lolno.
1458440;1461768401;mircea_popescu;and re dantup link : idiot has a "disqus" comment form, so he'll never know that what he has to do now is shut the fuck up and read up on the most serene republic. which is just as well.
1458441;1461768686;asciilifeform;dantup's breakage zoo is sadly typical, for ~20 yrs straight.
1458442;1461768734;asciilifeform;and the more idiot 'cocklets' grow up on the mit-flavoured 'we must experiment and do basic science to learn how libraries work, fuhgeddabout first principles' curriculum, the moar of this there will be.
1458443;1461769007;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458429 << rad-hardness via software is surely an absurdity, if contemplated in the sense of 'lead shield', but it really doesn't hurt to handle various 'can't-happens' a la ada.
1458444;1461769007;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 14:08 jurov: related lulz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36827659/compiling-an-application-for-use-in-highly-radio-active-environments
1458445;1461769062;asciilifeform;(where the language makes it quite feasible to check the consistency of the system's state at however many points and cleanly seppuku if it falls into a 'must've cosmicrayed')
1458446;1461769328;asciilifeform;http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/04/25/shapeshift-hack-simply-incredible << in other lulz
1458447;1461769503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let them grow up on wood spirits and stevia soup for all i care.
1458448;1461769517;mircea_popescu;no woman comes in this world with a promise that the fruit of her cunt will amount to anything.
1458449;1461769533;mircea_popescu;the one exceptional case in recorded history is debated ; and she didn't have it with some dude either.
1458450;1461769600;asciilifeform;spoken like true olympian
1458451;1461769611;asciilifeform;(i had nfi they needed dirigibles to get up & down from...)
1458452;1461770020;asciilifeform;;;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
1458453;1461770021;gribble;Error: ";later" is not a valid command.
1458454;1461770024;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
1458455;1461770025;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1458456;1461770067;asciilifeform;(is it a 'not one foot of my motherland will i surrender to orc horde' thing ? or something else)
1458457;1461770345;mircea_popescu;"i'm too old to do things, i'll just stick with what i know".
1458458;1461770348;mircea_popescu;beseides, he has fambly.
1458459;1461770431;mircea_popescu;and yes, ftr, the idiocies sprouting out of vorheees re the shapeshift thing smell of parallel construction a mile away.
1458460;1461770512;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For Anthropologie!
1458461;1461770557;BingoBoingo; beseides, he has fambly. << They live out in the country some distance, he discourages them from joining him on the plantation
1458462;1461770561;phf;He seems to kind of enjoy. All that Conan ethos
1458463;1461770606;BingoBoingo;People cope with their elderlyness in different ways
1458464;1461770623;asciilifeform;conans swing sword, not duck into alleys
1458465;1461770650;mircea_popescu;so by this theory he's going to butcher some black dudes one of these days ?
1458466;1461770665;asciilifeform;if he were 'conan' aha
1458467;1461770669;asciilifeform;instead of old man
1458468;1461770674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why is this cartoon bitch short ? ffs. at least the fantasy characters they could go to the trouble of making 1.78 or something.
1458469;1461770681;mircea_popescu;i'm not asking for 1.83 or anything here already.
1458470;1461770688;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it told us how tall ?!
1458471;1461770692;asciilifeform;i utterly forget this.
1458472;1461770702;mircea_popescu;http://www.viruscomix.com/estarone2.html
1458473;1461770708;asciilifeform;next mircea_popescu will tell us how tall was donald duck !
1458474;1461770712;mircea_popescu;also F ids of the future will have tits in pic if i have any say in it.
1458475;1461770717;BingoBoingo;Anyways, there is plenty of history concerning the elderly living vicariously through the adventures of those around them.
1458476;1461770730;mircea_popescu;(pro tip for time travellers : go to future, see if F ids have tits, if not, can sell mpex i must've failed at some point.)
1458477;1461770734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a great story tho, esp the ending
1458478;1461770736;asciilifeform;very mircea_popescutronic.
1458479;1461770765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta appreciate how short the id numbers are in 2112 tho. i guess conan musta wonan.
1458480;1461770771;mircea_popescu;i mean wotan.
1458481;1461770773;mircea_popescu;or w/e.
1458482;1461771271;mircea_popescu;the pricing structure for this comedic silkroad thing is ridoinculous.
1458483;1461771310;mircea_popescu;to kill public figure living on home planet with "personal security detail", 27k ; to kill random psychopath killer, 35k. to buy suit of entirely impervious armor, 8.7k. woman is bitching about wage slavery.
1458484;1461771364;ben_vulpes;punkman, phf: neat, til
1458485;1461771388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: author clearly did not know the future, unlike mircea_popescu ..?
1458486;1461771398;mircea_popescu;not to mention the only female is wanted alive. why the fuck is it that these cheesecunted lesbos with delusions of creativity will make a female heorine that gotta kill dudes only ?
1458487;1461771401;mircea_popescu;cunt planet already.
1458488;1461771422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc author was a bloke
1458489;1461771438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently the world of the future consists of "12 dudes to kill and a hippy chick everyone wants to bang"
1458490;1461771447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no he wasn't. author is certainly female. pre-op, perhaps, but anyway.
1458491;1461771461;asciilifeform;eh it's less screamingly ridiculous than our present day !
1458492;1461771527;mircea_popescu;the amount of divergence from sanity does not concern me nearly as much as the direction.
1458493;1461771831;asciilifeform;long ago, allfather odin made a planet with mircea_popescu on it, and everything else was female, except for a tall and mighty stone. but eventually lichens ate away at the stone, it cleaved into two concave pieces, and they too were female.
1458494;1461771857;asciilifeform;after that it was just one.
1458495;1461771869;mircea_popescu;allfather ?!
1458496;1461771878;asciilifeform;per voluspa
1458497;1461771898;mircea_popescu;he'd better be fucking good at it, because historically mp doesn't tolerate ineptitude in fathers all too well.
1458498;1461772033;asciilifeform;and when the great stone broke apart, mircea_popescu did say: 'verily it was pre-op'
1458499;1461772105;mircea_popescu;pity the only illustrator went berserk last month, could have had a comic on your hands here.
1458500;1461772150;asciilifeform;he dwelleth in the halls of spamalhalla now.
1458501;1461772248;mircea_popescu;i tried to attract a coupla [chix] but very strange behaviour also.
1458502;1461772755;asciilifeform;there was the one that drew the manticore
1458503;1461772828;mircea_popescu;yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up.
1458504;1461772841;*;asciilifeform has monumentally nfi.
1458505;1461772860;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the other end of the scale, trish whatshername, the oglaf chick, wouldn't commission. i dunno, i guess they must be rich in australia or w/e.
1458506;1461772883;mircea_popescu;anyway. artists. were busy while the world was made, then starved.
1458507;1461772924;mircea_popescu;inexplicably enough and who could have predicted.
1458508;1461772986;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up. <- she does drawings, not following-ups ("eeek, business, work!")
1458509;1461773008;mircea_popescu;hurr.
1458510;1461773041;mircea_popescu;if this is how her head works then rape's her only chance at starting a family
1458511;1461773047;mircea_popescu;and bondage the only hope at continuing it once started ?
1458512;1461773063;mircea_popescu;no wonder natality is down, who the fuck has all the rope.
1458513;1461773146;diana_coman;well, I assumed she would know what follow-up is basically, which is quite an assumption really; I wouldn't be surprised if she simply considered that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did
1458514;1461773211;asciilifeform;one day, mircea_popescu went into a bakery and bought a bagel.
1458515;1461773226;asciilifeform;the next day, he went to his doorstep and opened door and notice that the baker had not come to his house.
1458516;1461773254;asciilifeform;he went to the baker and threw him across the town in rage
1458517;1461773265;asciilifeform;'he thought next purchase would just come to him!'
1458518;1461773289;mircea_popescu;bagel is seller's market. artistry is buyer's market. not the same thing.
1458519;1461773309;asciilifeform;possibly. i confess i have ~nfi.
1458520;1461773334;asciilifeform;(could it be, that if the artist is ~any good~, it is a seller's ?)
1458521;1461773350;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "good" outside of who your patrons are.
1458522;1461773359;asciilifeform;there is such thing as bad tho
1458523;1461773368;mircea_popescu;certainly. but neither chix were it.
1458524;1461773371;mircea_popescu;i don't entertain teh bad.
1458525;1461773394;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, actually that might be the confusion made there in fact: despite claiming precisely that they do NOT sell bagels, artists assume that they precisely sell bagels
1458526;1461773434;mircea_popescu;which may explain why so much of their verbiage is dedicated to variations of that peculiar statement
1458527;1461773447;mircea_popescu;as the bard put it, teh lady doth protest.
1458528;1461773537;mircea_popescu;but re the "she just assumed that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did", i actually knew A LOT of these back when i was doing "business major/design/advertising" 20somethings in romania.
1458529;1461773570;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY that. "this windfall proves that my passive, mystical windfall capture works well, and that there shall be more such in the future".
1458530;1461773589;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's a variation of "feminity roles" nonsense, "being creative" means you gotta sit around and look pretty.
1458531;1461773613;asciilifeform;this is how chix operate sop, no ?
1458532;1461773616;asciilifeform;venus flytrap
1458533;1461773619;mircea_popescu;who knew, my dislike of artists turns out to be the same general dislike of insufficiently whorish behaviour.
1458534;1461773628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's how preteens operate, and the slower ones at that.
1458535;1461773652;asciilifeform;some folx not sure they want to be in animal kingdom, would rather plant ?
1458536;1461773679;mircea_popescu;;;google veggies are your friends
1458537;1461773680;gribble;I Can Be Your Friend Veggie tales - YouTube: ; Veggies are your pals - YouTube: ; John McCain and his Vegetable Friends - YouTube:
1458538;1461773898;asciilifeform;thing is, being showered with windfall 'through no fault of your own' ~creates~ braindamage.
1458539;1461773939;asciilifeform;think of the cargocultists.
1458540;1461773956;mircea_popescu;which is why i keep it at a minimum.
1458541;1461773970;mircea_popescu;there are no good solutions to humanatee's problems.
1458542;1461774011;asciilifeform;picture if mircea_popescu sent some chick a kilocoin
1458543;1461774021;asciilifeform;she'd go mad, tear out own organs, trying to find moar
1458544;1461774040;mircea_popescu;notrly. laziness, as a behaviour, principally serves as an insurance against exactly this.
1458545;1461774053;mircea_popescu;the human mechanism is homeostatic, even if shoddy.
1458546;1461774059;asciilifeform;how's that
1458547;1461774067;asciilifeform;she would begin to think 'i am worth kilocoin'
1458548;1461774072;asciilifeform;and hate folks who offer less
1458549;1461774080;asciilifeform;and descend into hades
1458550;1461774090;asciilifeform;neh ?
1458551;1461774128;asciilifeform;i dun get it, how does laziness protect ?
1458552;1461774154;mircea_popescu;i meant specifically against rendering own organs.
1458553;1461774201;mircea_popescu;it has the unintended side effect of locking smart bois into local minimums, also, and eventually spawns some variation of cccp/usg, but still. on the basic-est level, it prevents caveman who killed a mammooth from tearing out his spleen.
1458554;1461774777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldn't the 'my windfall catcher worx!11' approach be ~more~ emblematic of 'whoredom' than 'finally i found the great patron' ?
1458555;1461774798;mircea_popescu;nope.
1458556;1461774812;asciilifeform;the latter, at least to my untrained eye, looks more like marriage than whoredom
1458557;1461774829;mircea_popescu;and it's not "finally found great patron" by any means.
1458558;1461774841;mircea_popescu;a whore is an independent woman, who lives by her network, and takes care of it.
1458559;1461774856;mircea_popescu;your idea of a whore sounds a lot more like gypsy family - where the man turns out the woman whenever hard up for cash.
1458560;1461774861;asciilifeform;aha
1458561;1461774874;mircea_popescu;that's whoredom in the sense kids coding php when needing money to go out is programming.
1458562;1461774887;mircea_popescu;$up airgapped
1458563;1461774890;asciilifeform;the kind visible with unarmed eye, aha.
1458564;1461774896;deedbot;airgapped voiced for 30 minutes.
1458565;1461774899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :)
1458566;1461774925;mircea_popescu;plox to re-read my seminal "how to become a whore - start in highschool" piece.
1458567;1461774949;mircea_popescu;where da fuck was it
1458568;1461774984;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << surprisingly, in english no less !
1458569;1461775283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy
1458570;1461775306;mircea_popescu;mno, it's how you do it. marx is lulzy. zig zigglar is lulzy. this is shop talk.
1458571;1461775400;asciilifeform;knowing ~0 on subj, i must take mircea_popescu's word for it.
1458572;1461775423;asciilifeform;(i'm not certain i have ever even ~seen~ a live whore)
1458573;1461775447;mircea_popescu;the street discussion applies.
1458574;1461775459;asciilifeform;which one
1458575;1461775472;mircea_popescu;fuck off i go back to the search mines
1458576;1461775484;mircea_popescu;the future is not too distant where i'll be spending my whole day with that!
1458577;1461775497;asciilifeform;do we have a $s yet ?
1458578;1461775524;asciilifeform;$s foo
1458579;1461775524;deedbot;$s foo is not a command.
1458580;1461775526;asciilifeform;!s foo
1458581;1461775527;gribble;Error: "s" is not a valid command.
1458582;1461775534;asciilifeform;eh.
1458583;1461775556;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was this discussion re street performers and why they suck, street takes all and keeps no-one so ends up selecting for shit.
1458584;1461775595;mircea_popescu;the point was girl inquiring why contrariwise to expectation, the longer they've been at it the worse they are.
1458585;1461775613;asciilifeform;ah!
1458586;1461775620;mircea_popescu;you recall which this was ?
1458587;1461775621;asciilifeform;tho the thread may have been about programmers
1458588;1461775637;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was about the shithead "artists" on avenida florida.
1458589;1461775733;*;asciilifeform recalls thread but - as often is the case - has no foothold to find it by
1458590;1461775761;mircea_popescu;we're doomed to eternal night.
1458591;1461775825;asciilifeform;i might have to go into the magic cave where i keep the magic pills.
1458592;1461775835;asciilifeform;see if we can cut a hole in the night.
1458593;1461775870;mircea_popescu;this is not a solvable problem. the better the tools get, the more i'll shit on them to the point i can't recall wtf it all was - which is ~the only limit of human mental process.
1458594;1461775896;mircea_popescu;much like crustaceans can't be helped - if you remove the things that kill them they'll just grow to death.
1458595;1461775910;mircea_popescu;a ton, ten, a thousand, whatever it takes for organ failure.
1458596;1461775922;asciilifeform;we're still, so to speak, pocket-sized.
1458597;1461775928;asciilifeform;plenty of room to grow and swallow ships.
1458598;1461775931;mircea_popescu;spoken like true olympian
1458599;1461775939;asciilifeform;before the gigantism death.
1458600;1461775943;asciilifeform;lel
1458601;1461775995;asciilifeform;if nothing could die, and whole world were one gigantomollusc, where would the sea go, aha.
1458602;1461776028;felipelalli;asciilifeform, (side question) "so to speak" was a HHH (Hoppe) reference? :)
1458603;1461776044;asciilifeform;felipelalli: i have nfi who is that.
1458604;1461776195;felipelalli;asciilifeform, ah! A modern libertarian writer.
1458605;1461776301;felipelalli;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFgDS9rENMs
1458606;1461776371;asciilifeform;ah the 'democracy, god that failed' guy
1458607;1461776384;mircea_popescu;!?
1458608;1461776384;gribble;(misc help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
1458609;1461776385;asciilifeform;i am not an aficionado. but it seems mr mold was.
1458610;1461776401;asciilifeform;seems like it was where moldbug stole his basic thesis.
1458611;1461776432;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, he's proposing that "someone" is going to go around killing people you don't like ?
1458612;1461776447;mircea_popescu;who pays for this, god ?
1458613;1461776454;asciilifeform;where's this
1458614;1461776461;mircea_popescu;the video he just linked ?
1458615;1461776467;asciilifeform;ah i'm on a text term
1458616;1461776512;mircea_popescu;why are people so hung up on faggotry anyway.
1458617;1461776555;mircea_popescu;seriously, i should make it my business what rando does with his penis ? wtf am i, the old guy side in the castellammarese war ?!
1458618;1461776588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somehow it turned into a flag in the usian cultural disassembly warz.
1458619;1461776591;asciilifeform;dun ask me how.
1458620;1461776644;mircea_popescu;who even cared ? this is what boggles me, the "we'll save ustard-flavour puritanism by focusing on THIS nonsense".
1458621;1461776658;mircea_popescu;really, and you'll build a new world with this baggage ?
1458622;1461776714;mircea_popescu;"socialism didn't ever fail - it was only badly implemented n times" "puritanism is not entirely and completely idiocy - o, no, was just not correctly applied. should have been applied to faggots only, then god would have delivered the mana shippment"
1458623;1461776716;mircea_popescu;wtf already.
1458624;1461776735;asciilifeform;my (admittedly limited) understanding is that 'obligatory faggotry' (where you gotta bend over for promotion or to get in the high crust etc) was always an undercurrent in anglo world
1458625;1461776742;asciilifeform;and much of what is seen here, is a reaction to that.
1458626;1461776759;mircea_popescu;except none of those idiots WERE EVEN CONSIDERED for that. ever. nor could have.
1458627;1461776765;asciilifeform;hence reaction.
1458628;1461776779;mircea_popescu;this is like bland middleaged woman that was obviously a bland middleaged teenager "fighting to protect women from sex work"
1458629;1461776785;asciilifeform;which we see !
1458630;1461776789;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm sure someone was going to pay to fuck you at some point.
1458631;1461776808;asciilifeform;but this is precisely who descends into this kind of idiocy
1458632;1461776822;asciilifeform;the 'driver from the back seat' or whatisit.
1458633;1461776824;mircea_popescu;i s'pose.
1458634;1461776828;mircea_popescu;very disqualifying, tho.
1458635;1461777039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and waiwut what on earth is a 'middleaged teenager'
1458636;1461777075;mircea_popescu;you know, like reese whither-your-spoon-with-her-endless-chin plays in the original cruel intentions.
1458637;1461777082;mircea_popescu;girl from kansas with a career.
1458638;1461777087;*;asciilifeform does not get the ref
1458639;1461777103;*;asciilifeform puts on research list.
1458640;1461777115;mircea_popescu;lame, boring, misguided teenager with too much parental influence.
1458641;1461777141;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1458642;1461777145;mircea_popescu;"good girl" in some acceptions.
1458643;1461777665;mircea_popescu;meh, the notion that people anyone hates enough to put contracts out for are EVER alone
1458644;1461777676;mircea_popescu;this cominc is too lazy writing for me. bailing at page 22.
1458645;1461777816;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes lol "man of wealth and beer" ehehehe this should be an expression. then again in portland it prolly is.
1458646;1461777842;mircea_popescu;thanks for giving me the good bullets for the next cascadian smart, intelligent and blabla chick i run into.
1458647;1461777943;asciilifeform;'man of wealth and beer' sounds about like 'man of wealth and cheetos'
1458648;1461777949;mircea_popescu;quite :D
1458649;1461777954;mircea_popescu;(it's the devil.)
1458650;1461778007;mircea_popescu;"he's not after your soul, you clueless minge bag". because you see, minge, minj, cunt.
1458651;1461778009;mircea_popescu;;;ud minge
1458652;1461778010;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minge | The minge is not the actual vagina, but the hair surrounding the area. On the labia majora and the pubic mound. Loose, shaggy hair that is not neatly trimmed, ...
1458653;1461778023;mircea_popescu;o check it out, it moved.
1458654;1461778038;mircea_popescu;anyway. is and has been the vulva for ~15`000 years.
1458655;1461778056;mircea_popescu;ahahaha yar.
1458656;1461778143;mircea_popescu;"bosom buddies"
1458657;1461778198;mircea_popescu;check it out, beach landing jet :D
1458658;1461778222;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes i thought you were into jet enjines, knew a thing or two... about say the process of making glass ? in a jet engine ? starting from sand ?
1458659;1461778434;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i was thinking "could do with more nudity", there's really no reason her bra under the suspenders in that large sprawl is actually nipple covering rather than balconette style ; then "something i'm not allowed to mention in comics" ?! wtf all the censorsheep! is this like mainstream or something ? airs on nbc ?
1458660;1461778763;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The aspersation of all comikkk publishers is to sell to Disney or Warner Bros.
1458661;1461778775;BingoBoingo;And maybe even air on NBC.
1458662;1461778804;mircea_popescu;sad.
1458663;1461778843;deedbot;[Qntra] Millennials, Apple Reject Capitalism Together - http://qntra.net/2016/04/millennials-apple-reject-capitalism-together/
1458664;1461778858;BingoBoingo;There's really no non-qntra "independent media" that doesn't want to sell or suck up VC BJ buxx.
1458665;1461778869;mircea_popescu;and in other news : balconette bra entirely exposes the nipple. the shit us puritards are trying to sell as balconette is demi-cup at best.
1458666;1461778894;mircea_popescu;"the style has evolved from the 50s" my fucking foot.
1458667;1461779031;asciilifeform;did anyone ever explain wtf exactly is a 'millenial' ?
1458668;1461779043;mircea_popescu;~= ustard.
1458669;1461779094;mircea_popescu;however you dice it, by geolocation, age range, whatever, the fact remains there's a billion supernumerary on god's green earth.
1458670;1461779095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that it refers to a young, rather than old, ustard
1458671;1461779117;mircea_popescu;for instance i have nfi why the issue in the us pres election is whether to allow however many illegal aliens or w/e.
1458672;1461779133;mircea_popescu;the question is why to allow the present 250mn idjits. should be deported to fucking namibia.
1458673;1461779145;asciilifeform;and leave who in ?
1458674;1461779151;mircea_popescu;the mexicans.
1458675;1461779165;asciilifeform;why would mexicans want to live in mosquito-and-frost land ?
1458676;1461779190;mircea_popescu;nobody could have predicted this question.
1458677;1461779204;asciilifeform;lelz
1458678;1461779262;mircea_popescu;millenial is, give or take, the new chinese. if you recall the post-ww2 discussions of china.
1458679;1461779296;asciilifeform;the folks whom 'nobody needs for anything' ?
1458680;1461779308;mircea_popescu;aha. but are still there and any serious butchery would foul the blades
1458681;1461779314;mircea_popescu;which are more valuable than them, collectively.
1458682;1461779349;asciilifeform;the trad response to this kind of situation is to sell opium
1458683;1461779357;mircea_popescu;proceeding ad lib.
1458684;1461779370;asciilifeform;sorta like the best ant traps are the ones where the ants come and eat all they like and it is delicious
1458685;1461779378;asciilifeform;reminds me, gotta buy moar
1458686;1461779384;mircea_popescu;i don't agree with this, tbh.
1458687;1461779403;asciilifeform;hey i tried every other kind, and this is the only one that nukes the colony
1458688;1461779410;mircea_popescu;best ant trap is fucking the queen and organising ant defense perimeter around your house.
1458689;1461779418;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1458690;1461779421;mircea_popescu;:)
1458691;1461779423;mircea_popescu;IT IS!
1458692;1461779426;*;asciilifeform pictures this.
1458693;1461781372;punkman;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclearpower-cyber-germany-idUSKCN0XN2OS
1458694;1461781411;asciilifeform;punkman: Run Moar Winblowz!!
1458695;1461781507;shinohai;hue
1458696;1461784775;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458499 << nubbins` was not an illustrator. his *wife* was the illustrator.
1458697;1461784775;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 15:48 mircea_popescu: pity the only illustrator went berserk last month, could have had a comic on your hands here.
1458698;1461784820;hanbot;nubbins` is just this dude that amused you once with his bitcointalk drama antics two years ago and spent the interval trying to parlay it into as much $$$ as possible.
1458699;1461784873;mircea_popescu;heh. that's a point isn't it.
1458700;1461784944;mircea_popescu;i guess the solution for the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458513 naive chicklet progresses to the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458505 burned out has-been artist : the addition of a "business mind" to look after her affairs / make sure she doesn't get ripped off.
1458701;1461784944;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 16:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the scale, trish whatshername, the oglaf chick, wouldn't commission. i dunno, i guess they must be rich in australia or w/e.
1458702;1461784944;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 16:05 diana_coman: well, I assumed she would know what follow-up is basically, which is quite an assumption really; I wouldn't be surprised if she simply considered that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did
1458703;1461784949;mircea_popescu;not a bad theory of the world.
1458704;1461785609;asciilifeform;after departure of nubs, who will print trb!1?111
1458705;1461785618;asciilifeform;who will edit the source down to b00k form!11
1458706;1461785632;mircea_popescu;depending how long it takes, some samizdat house ?
1458707;1461785645;mircea_popescu;how do you know books will even be legal by then
1458708;1461785659;asciilifeform;i wanted artistic, with human leather!1111
1458709;1461785663;asciilifeform;ordinary b00k, i can print right now
1458710;1461785683;asciilifeform;i actually had recently a hardcover glossy printed of the mega-ada guide in ru
1458711;1461785696;asciilifeform;http://www.ada-ru.org/V-0.4w/index.html << ит
1458712;1461785697;asciilifeform;it
1458713;1461785700;asciilifeform;l0l kbdfail
1458714;1461785718;mircea_popescu;hm. i dunno, maybe the mongols ? who does human leather even
1458715;1461785887;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-08-15#234381 << the brits!
1458716;1461785887;a111;Logged on 2013-08-15 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.humanleather.co.uk/humanleatherproducts.html
1458717;1461785905;mircea_popescu;aokthen
1458718;1461785985;asciilifeform;(does anyone still recall how trb was originally something i asked nubs to make!)
1458719;1461786015;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458720;1461786287;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458698 << who bought what from nubs, other than us - the tshirts ?
1458721;1461786287;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 19:20 hanbot: nubbins` is just this dude that amused you once with his bitcointalk drama antics two years ago and spent the interval trying to parlay it into as much $$$ as possible.
1458722;1461786318;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits ! User(s): Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) ;
1458723;1461786322;mircea_popescu;;;google mobileme
1458724;1461786323;gribble;MobileMe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; iCloud: ; MobileMe Control Panel for Windows - Apple:
1458725;1461786324;danielpbarron;i got one of his b-a t-shirts that has since developed a hole on the arm-pit, and also a couple nsa shirts that he never sent
1458726;1461786327;mircea_popescu;ha-ha!
1458727;1461786355;mircea_popescu;apple strikes again ?
1458728;1461786356;asciilifeform;wtf is 'mobileme'
1458729;1461786370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apple "internet suite" pre getting lucky with the pods.
1458730;1461786398;mircea_popescu;subscription based, too.
1458731;1461786405;asciilifeform;ah hm
1458732;1461786407;asciilifeform;interesting.
1458733;1461786414;mircea_popescu;you recall ms's massively failful .net ? same thing, .mac
1458734;1461786428;asciilifeform;looks like a networked disk thing
1458735;1461786429;asciilifeform;aha
1458736;1461786436;mircea_popescu;the move to icloud was pretty funny too.
1458737;1461786441;mircea_popescu;"you got one month. wiping data after"
1458738;1461786453;mircea_popescu;funnily enough, ~nobody sought to burn down apple for this.
1458739;1461786476;asciilifeform;that kinda shit is sop in the 'cloud' business
1458740;1461786493;mircea_popescu;ima have to file this as "the Apple standard" next time i have to come up with a term.
1458741;1461786500;mircea_popescu;"you got one month. ha-ha!"
1458742;1461786510;asciilifeform;long before crapple, vendors of, e.g., drm'd b00kz, music, did this
1458743;1461786534;asciilifeform;'sorry we're out of business, the drm server will be going down next week, sorry about yer loss, thx for the dough, bye'
1458744;1461786544;mircea_popescu;ftr, it was iirc a $100 in 2000s dollars
1458745;1461786547;mircea_popescu;ie about 2-300 bucks today.
1458746;1461786583;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, appletards also didn't find this problematic. apparently for worthless rubbish, no sum is too large.
1458747;1461786628;ben_vulpes;friend had photos from his android device show up on his girl's mme account one time
1458748;1461786633;asciilifeform;trick is for the rubbish sold next door to be moar worthless.
1458749;1461786649;ben_vulpes;best guess anyone had is that she plugged his phone into her computer one time and imported everything into iphoto and thence mme
1458750;1461786661;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'pebcak'
1458751;1461786674;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 3920631257 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Christian Weiske ; << pear guy.
1458752;1461786676;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you should see the hoops they jump through to get people saving their everything to icloud
1458753;1461786684;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oimsure.
1458754;1461786706;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: no hoops, just the magic of selling gadget with nonupgradeable ssd
1458755;1461786788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pear ?
1458756;1461786801;mircea_popescu;;;google php pear
1458757;1461786802;gribble;PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository: ; PEAR - PHP: ; Manual :: What is PEAR? - PHP:
1458758;1461786814;asciilifeform;ah.
1458759;1461786814;mircea_popescu;you know, where you want to compromise keys.
1458760;1461786830;asciilifeform;l0ltr0nic
1458761;1461786837;mircea_popescu;Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): ssh://bogomips.mit.edu; << i wonder...
1458762;1461787067;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that too
1458763;1461788238;jurov;asciilifeform: if accepts ssh pubkeys, too?
1458764;1461788245;jurov;*it - phuctor
1458765;1461788255;asciilifeform;jurov: not as such
1458766;1461788274;asciilifeform;you can, conceivably, convert an ssh key to an rfc4880 key
1458767;1461788286;asciilifeform;and perhaps somebody did, and this is where the examples linked earlier came from.
1458768;1461788294;asciilifeform;but i did not do such a thing.
1458769;1461788322;jurov;if you remember, i sit on trove github keys
1458770;1461788330;asciilifeform;naked ssh keys are not so interesting
1458771;1461788338;jurov;and apart from few obvious breakages i did not find anything
1458772;1461788340;asciilifeform;you'd have to add the purported owner's name somehow
1458773;1461788345;asciilifeform;or it's a snore to read
1458774;1461788461;shinohai;http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/04/27/body-apple-campus/83598174/ <<< "I can't take working at Crapple ANOTHER DAY"
1458775;1461788613;jurov;there's their git profile name
1458776;1461788690;asciilifeform;jurov: these are rsa keys ?
1458777;1461788718;jurov;mostly rsa, but also dsa, i can filter them
1458778;1461788737;asciilifeform;jurov: feel free to convert & throw'em in
1458779;1461788754;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy. eat pistol at home - snore. eat at the office - nyooz, cameras, excitement!
1458780;1461788776;jurov;kk. there's several million of them
1458781;1461788810;asciilifeform;jurov: no rush
1458782;1461790121;asciilifeform;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime"
1458783;1461790124;asciilifeform;6
1458784;1461790128;deedbot;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command.
1458785;1461790576;jurov;lol would be fun if deedbot executed it
1458786;1461790597;trinque;I'm removing that :p
1458787;1461790627;trinque;deedbot's gonna be silent when it sees a $ that isn't a known command
1458788;1461790651;trinque;jurov: I'll save that feature for drunkbot
1458789;1461790761;jurov;trinque: i suggest rather to ignore only stuff that does not begin by $[a-zA-Z]
1458790;1461790789;trinque;maybe later
1458791;1461790802;trinque;it'll barf out loud if you run an existing command wrong
1458792;1461790815;trinque;$asdfasdfasdf
1458793;1461790835;trinque;$gettrust deedbot trinque
1458794;1461790837;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
1458795;1461790842;trinque;$gettrust
1458796;1461790843;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1458797;1461790857;jurov;$broomstick
1458798;1461790949;ben_vulpes; /deedbot hands you a mircea_popescu
1458799;1461793262;mircea_popescu;jurov> if you remember, i sit on trove github keys <<< if you convert them it'd eat them
1458800;1461793284;mircea_popescu;we were actually discussing going through shithub coupla days ago iirc
1458801;1461793321;asciilifeform;afaik there is no ready converter, it would have to be written.
1458802;1461793351;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1458803;1461793457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't ssh2 rfc4880 compliant ?
1458804;1461793522;asciilifeform;4880 (earlier 2440) is the pgp format
1458805;1461793555;asciilifeform;i know of no variant of ssh that eats it, or vice-versa
1458806;1461793560;mircea_popescu;hm.
1458807;1461793599;asciilifeform;i think ssh uses 'pem'.
1458808;1461793613;asciilifeform;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4716
1458809;1461793721;asciilifeform;and iirc somebody already made a phuctor for ssh
1458810;1461793730;asciilifeform;it portscanned randomly and got pubkeys
1458811;1461793734;asciilifeform;i forget who/where.
1458812;1461793747;mircea_popescu;a) "made", as in the bs they usually make ; b) phuctor works better the more keys it has by design
1458813;1461793749;asciilifeform;(some chick)
1458814;1461793757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tru!
1458815;1461793950;mircea_popescu;apparently pem is 1421 and still different from 4716
1458816;1461793971;mircea_popescu;dude it's almost as if these schmucks make the obfuscation deliberate. there should be ~no reason i have to use anything but my pgp key to ssh and vice-versa already
1458817;1461794065;mircea_popescu;anyway. it would seem that by taking a ssh/ssh2 key, converting it to openssh format ($ssh-keygen -i -f old.pub > new.pub ) then replacing the headers/enders with correct values and adding a blank line after header/before comments you get a properly noted key.
1458818;1461794113;mircea_popescu;also CRC will have to be supplied (or i guess ignored ?), and \ turned to \n continuation.
1458819;1461794227;mircea_popescu;ssh header is for absolutely no reason ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- ie four dashes and a space instead of five dashes, and wtf is a "ssh2" key anyway.
1458820;1461794235;mircea_popescu;doesn't exist anymore than a "pgp key" already.
1458821;1461794268;mircea_popescu;have the decency to say -----BEGIN RSA PUBLIC KEY----- uniformly and be done with it. or ECC or w/e the fuck it is, CrS
1458822;1461794319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform linking ietf.org garbage surefire way to get my blood boiling. WHY THE FUCK IS IANA INVOLVED IN THIS. i need them to "create andmaointain a registry" like i need warts inside my bladder.
1458823;1461794334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on top of all of this,
1458824;1461794342;asciilifeform;iirc they use different representation for the bigints !
1458825;1461794349;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1458826;1461794355;asciilifeform;aha.
1458827;1461794360;asciilifeform;or so i recall from last time i gave a shit
1458828;1461794370;mircea_popescu;what, center-endian-by-parity ?
1458829;1461794375;asciilifeform;and yes, whole thing is a deliberate crock-o-shit.
1458830;1461794380;asciilifeform;how else did you think.
1458831;1461794398;asciilifeform;crocks of shit this size do not occur naturally.
1458832;1461794405;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this fails to be obvious. YES YOUR RSA KEY YOU USE FOR "SSH" MUST BE INTEROPERABLE WITH THE RSA KEY I USE TO FUCK YOUR MOTHER.
1458833;1461794419;asciilifeform;i'm not much enamoured of pgp format either.
1458834;1461794425;asciilifeform;with its hardbaked sha1 etc.
1458835;1461794513;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458836;1461794576;mircea_popescu;this whole swamp will have to be drained. we need : a) sane key exchange format. sane here means correctly extensible and key-based, not "process" or "usage" based. b) sane ssh/pgp/etc
1458837;1461794582;mircea_popescu;basically reduces to gossipd yet again huh.
1458838;1461794587;asciilifeform;'p'
1458839;1461794603;mircea_popescu;obviously once gossipd is an actual thing, the only way to talk to your boxen becomes gossipd.
1458840;1461794616;mircea_popescu;they know to take your stuff seriously and everyone else's less seriously
1458841;1461794619;mircea_popescu;sudden granularity.
1458842;1461794742;asciilifeform;'sane ssh', at least as prototyped in my chamber of horrors, is 'g'
1458843;1461794747;asciilifeform;see old thread.
1458844;1461794776;mircea_popescu;they'll end up interoperating.
1458845;1461794788;asciilifeform;aha.
1458846;1461794793;asciilifeform;all 3 really part of same thing.
1458847;1461794815;asciilifeform;presently nameless.
1458848;1461794894;mircea_popescu;in my head it carries the gossipname apparently.
1458849;1461794911;asciilifeform;not unreasonable.
1458850;1461794992;mircea_popescu;trinque> jurov: I'll save that feature for drunkbot << actually, here's a thought, spin up an aws instance, have deedbot execute stuff in there.
1458851;1461795023;asciilifeform;l0l!
1458852;1461795027;asciilifeform;sounds slow
1458853;1461795049;mircea_popescu;i don't mean spin it up every time
1458854;1461795056;mircea_popescu;i just mean, keep one for this purpose.
1458855;1461795065;asciilifeform;ah
1458856;1461795068;mircea_popescu;what's the worst that can happen, and if it does, you know who to send a bill to.
1458857;1461795095;asciilifeform;would clutter logz with shell crapolade, no?
1458858;1461795117;asciilifeform;$cat /dev/random
1458859;1461795121;mircea_popescu;well ideally folks would use it reasonably, ie, only when making a point supposed to go into record
1458860;1461795133;mircea_popescu;otherwise i could have girl bounce tits on kbd for half an hour neh ?
1458861;1461795149;asciilifeform;yeah but easy to fuck up this.
1458862;1461795154;asciilifeform;unlike tit bounce.
1458863;1461795167;asciilifeform;(current recordholder is either ben_vulpes or asciilifeform , i forget which)
1458864;1461795167;mircea_popescu;so we get another income source for the esteemed foundation jar.
1458865;1461795207;shinohai;In absolutely halal news http://i.4cdn.org/b/1461795101500.jpg
1458866;1461795217;mircea_popescu;anyway. the fact that we keep putting $bash in here is maybe not merely to be interpreted in the sense of "bot should ignore". maybe bot should execute.
1458867;1461795254;mircea_popescu;shinohai i saw this a lot in egypt. girl would take everything off before the head piece.
1458868;1461795268;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc roman thing too
1458869;1461795276;asciilifeform;'don't be naked!111'
1458870;1461795287;mircea_popescu;(and then they'd get terribly insulted if you used it as a cum rag. wtf bitch, this is entrapment, you sucked it with a scarf on!)
1458871;1461795298;shinohai;lel
1458872;1461795366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and notice that her otherwise very cute belly fat that avg singer/actress/newswoman aspirant would not be CAUGHT DEAD in doesn't bother her in the slighrwest, nevertheless the cheekbones and eye area has been photoshopped into dead marble.
1458873;1461795391;asciilifeform;aha, strange
1458874;1461795394;mircea_popescu;femculture, it's a weird thing.
1458875;1461795414;asciilifeform;i know ~0 about it
1458876;1461795441;asciilifeform;and not because i have no way to find out, but because it does not stick to the teflon coating in my skullcase
1458877;1461795447;asciilifeform;much like sport garbage
1458878;1461795483;mircea_popescu;why so gyno miso soup.
1458879;1461795581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly i think it's not exactly "don't be naked" but moreover part of the "head conception". you know, like streetwalkers / actresses "gotta put their face on". the conception of what a head looks like includes the scarf and that's that.
1458880;1461795621;mircea_popescu;absent that, ontological collapse, how is she going to EVEN EXIST if she can't turn her head just like so in respect to the scarf (as the girl in pic does).
1458881;1461795652;asciilifeform;or perhaps it is to ~take off~
1458882;1461795654;asciilifeform;when going off duty.
1458883;1461795664;mircea_popescu;a man may work from sun to sun
1458884;1461795665;asciilifeform;sorta how i wear a wristwatch when i'm slaving meaninglessly
1458885;1461795669;mircea_popescu;but a woman's work is never done.
1458886;1461795669;asciilifeform;so i can take it off at home.
1458887;1461795681;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as off duty. this may be the principal gender difference.
1458888;1461795686;deedbot;[Qntra] Socialist Cuts Jobs On Campaign Trail - http://qntra.net/2016/04/socialist-cuts-jobs-on-campaign-trail/
1458889;1461795687;asciilifeform;quite possibly.
1458890;1461795779;*;asciilifeform brb, taking face off
1458891;1461796682;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f042b5e45461a51ee142fdb9ac1cc12e/tumblr_mtc3hvHXsA1sgrc4wo1_400.gif
1458892;1461799518;BingoBoingo;In other news...
1458893;1461799585;deedbot;[Qntra] Politically Inclined Serial Child Molester Gets 15 Months In Prison - http://qntra.net/2016/04/politically-inclined-serial-child-molester-gets-15-months-in-prison/
1458894;1461799701;BingoBoingo;^ Someone who would have used the contraption from that gif
1458895;1461799852;BingoBoingo;But idk, maybe then he would have missed the thrill of the hunt or soemthing.
1458896;1461800015;BingoBoingo;Though I guess I can see the pedogological value of Hastert's coachin methods, if you don't want to get molested all you got to do is get better at wrasslin than coach is.
1458897;1461800411;mircea_popescu;heh
1458898;1461800802;BingoBoingo;I mean for a sport with individual competitions it also teaches group cohesion when everyone knows what coach does to the stragglers.
1458899;1461800887;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458891 << l0l! mechanization...
1458900;1461800887;a111;Logged on 2016-04-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f042b5e45461a51ee142fdb9ac1cc12e/tumblr_mtc3hvHXsA1sgrc4wo1_400.gif
1458901;1461801388;BingoBoingo;Trigglypuff https://i.imgur.com/TAwL1qI.jpg https://archive.is/1hfPO
1458902;1461801632;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: talk about automating the reactor controls...
1458903;1461801779;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dafuq
1458904;1461801826;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the lulziest bit is that it looks like he made it simply from what was on the desk
1458905;1461801831;asciilifeform;plus the grinding wheel.
1458906;1461801837;asciilifeform;(disk still on!)
1458907;1461801902;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you want less trigglypuffs on college campuses you need more Coach Hasterts in High School locker rooms.
1458908;1461801921;asciilifeform;i still have nfi what is a 'trigglypuf'
1458909;1461801936;asciilifeform;or how collegiate buggery cures it
1458910;1461802009;shinohai;Big REd meets Kirby.
1458911;1461802021;asciilifeform;or what those are.
1458912;1461802461;BingoBoingo;Anyways a trigglypuff is a adipose type pokemon that does Q&A type sessions like this http://sli.mg/a/q2nRQr
1458913;1461802687;shinohai;I read shit like that and I *want* iIran to nuke the US
1458914;1461802767;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1458915;1461802772;asciilifeform;phuctor - now has cache.
1458916;1461802778;BingoBoingo;Anyways asciilifeform having a coach Hastert in High School lets kids grow up knowing the world is a dangerous place and that if they aren't careful there is the very real risk of coach buggering them in the locker room. Without a coach like that you get obeasts who misrepresent anti-sexual expressions of revulsion at their candidia ridden adipose folds as rape.
1458917;1461802817;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in 'flyover' usa, where every pupil is properly buggered, more - or - fewer ? 'obeasts' than on coasts ?
1458918;1461802829;asciilifeform;inquiring mindz want to know.
1458919;1461802924;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: well, if you dun wanna wrassle better than coach what better way to protect your butthole than with a thick layer of folds that block the hole.
1458920;1461802977;BingoBoingo;But coaches don't really bugger in flyover country anymore.
1458921;1461802989;BingoBoingo;Hastert was one of the last of an era apparently.
1458922;1461803006;BingoBoingo;Not obesity rates began their upwards march as he transitioned into politics.
1458923;1461803044;ben_vulpes;having recently returned from detroit and misc ohio suburbs, my part of the coast has, in comparison, nearly zero 'obeasts'.
1458924;1461803044;BingoBoingo;Now it's mostly the other wrassling students that bugger each other.
1458925;1461803298;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Hit up any walmarts to photograph the fauna on your safari?
1458926;1461803769;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1458927;1461803771;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's cache do ?
1458928;1461803773;gribble;Current Blocks: 409199 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 48 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1458929;1461803863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: keeps db from having to be queried every time
1458930;1461803872;asciilifeform;(should make the site 'slashdot'-proof in theory)
1458931;1461803968;mircea_popescu;a nice.
1458932;1461803982;mircea_popescu;i dun think shashdot is linking to it ever again tho.
1458933;1461803989;asciilifeform;prolly not!
1458934;1461804205;mod6;<+asciilifeform> phuctor - now has cache. << cool
1458935;1461804242;mod6; nice work << thanks! working on changes.
1458936;1461804334;shinohai;I made a buncha fake tickets the graph system is super nifty mod6
1458937;1461804731;mircea_popescu;$up King_Rex
1458938;1461804733;deedbot;King_Rex voiced for 30 minutes.
1458939;1461804742;King_Rex;ty mp
1458940;1461804755;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1458941;1461804781;mod6;shinohai: ah cool, thanks for testing that out.
1458942;1461804784;mod6;:]
1458943;1461804784;King_Rex;no one of particular import
1458944;1461804803;King_Rex;reading up on the schism w/ b-a
1458945;1461804813;mircea_popescu;aha.
1458946;1461804865;King_Rex;is qntra affected?
1458947;1461804878;mircea_popescu;not so far
1458948;1461805359;BingoBoingo;Qntra is a rock above drama in other business concerns.
1458949;1461805438;BingoBoingo;When qntra falls, it falls to rise again after smashing and spreading a drama below the clouds in which qntra sits.
1458950;1461805675;asciilifeform;in other 'news', ultrasonic baths are great and i have nfi why did not buy one years and years ago.
1458951;1461805731;asciilifeform;will degrease / decruft pretty much anything that fits inside.
1458952;1461805770;*;BingoBoingo very surprised alf did not have this
1458953;1461805818;BingoBoingo;just be careful with plastics in there because may be degreased out of being.
1458954;1461805864;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not only works with plastics, but won't even ruin optics
1458955;1461805921;mircea_popescu;hey, great for cleanning teeth also
1458956;1461805928;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: not if you use the good stuff in there...
1458957;1461805984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: teeth?!
1458958;1461805988;asciilifeform;mine aren't removable...
1458959;1461805992;asciilifeform;(at least, not easily)
1458960;1461806101;mircea_popescu;there's a special us tool dentists get
1458961;1461806116;mircea_popescu;tho it's actually splendid for cleaning up any ensonced grime.
1458962;1461806182;asciilifeform;ah! the brain liquifier!
1458963;1461806578;BingoBoingo;$up King_Rex with the redundant nick
1458964;1461806582;deedbot;King_Rex voiced for 30 minutes.
1458965;1461806626;King_Rex;I cannot take credit for this redundant nick
1458966;1461806648;BingoBoingo; there's a special us tool dentists get << my USian desntist brother if his stories are to be believed doesn't really ever get to use many tools other than various prying devices.
1458967;1461806946;King_Rex;I must be going now, I'll be back to chat another time.
1458968;1461812380;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1458969;1461812387;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 442.88, vol: 8533.04921368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 442.503, vol: 10489.94919 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.9, vol: 50044.94376296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 4.14958103 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.975126, vol: 47139.81980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.63, vol: 1945.8519032 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.35766, vol: 87.57636197 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1458970;1461812392;BingoBoingo;;;more
1458971;1461812393;gribble;441.297009701
1458972;1461813179;BingoBoingo;OMG Crashing!!!
1458973;1461813200;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1458974;1461813204;gribble;Current Blocks: 409214 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 33 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 20 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1458975;1461830076;diana_coman;$gettrust Zakorus123
1458976;1461830085;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1458977;1461830149;diana_coman;$rate Zakorus123 1 new Euloran
1458978;1461830151;deedbot;Zakorus123 is not registered in WoT.
1458979;1461830901;diana_coman;$rate Zakorus123 1 new Euloran
1458980;1461830902;deedbot;Zakorus123 is not registered in WoT.
1458981;1461831157;diana_coman;$rate Zakorus123 1 new Euloran
1458982;1461831256;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/c2721f11-f947-437c-b91b-ec2dd6f0f16e/
1458983;1461842620;punkman;"Luxembourg has granted a license to bitcoin exchange Bitstamp making it Europe's first fully regulated payment institution for the cryptocurrency with expectations high that an extra layer of legitimacy could lead more people to trade bitcoin."
1458984;1461843684;jurov;lol that "extra layer of legitimacy" is their own wording?
1458985;1461844231;punkman;from http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/26/europe-launches-its-first-licensed-bitcoin-exchange.html
1458986;1461844842;punkman;more EU derping, "OPINION of the Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection for the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs on virtual currencies" http://dpaste.com/0WCYXG8
1458987;1461846501;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7A424C5578F8539E6FD933044161659B3741384A0C093D67C47AFC72630A00A << lelz
1458988;1461846501;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1458989;1461846942;asciilifeform;possibly of interest to ben_vulpes et al : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE984BF3D21583295791E06CE4C7936521B37A6F9441044117B406F01AFCDDC0
1458990;1461854405;mircea_popescu;$key Zakorus123
1458991;1461854536;mircea_popescu;...
1458992;1461854552;mircea_popescu;$key Zakorus123
1458993;1461854566;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/99ed9afa-4c0b-4018-b943-967a7152ea58/
1458994;1461854569;mircea_popescu;ty.
1458995;1461854852;mircea_popescu;ahh trinque this $key buzns is neatola-cola.
1458996;1461856203;mircea_popescu;trinque mind getting deedbot to join #eulora also so i have wot access there directly ?
1458997;1461856472;trinque;sure np; I will have to push a simple change later to make its channel parameter a list
1458998;1461856644;mircea_popescu;cool.
1458999;1461856831;mircea_popescu;in other argentina news, cold snap here (was 5-7 degrees three nights running, this is an outrage. it snows once a century in buenos aires), gas pressure down by 70%, it's a wonder anything still works.
1459000;1461856929;mircea_popescu;you should see all the stiff nippled, shriveling, сморщенность chicks sporting greatcoats and whatnot lmao.
1459001;1461856938;mircea_popescu;fucking tempted to make next residence krasnoyarsk or something.
1459002;1461857092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!!
1459003;1461857200;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1459004;1461857364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this idea is by no means original to me, but - observe - places without real winter tend to spawn tards
1459005;1461857400;mircea_popescu;explain canada.
1459006;1461857465;asciilifeform;what about it
1459007;1461857524;mircea_popescu;oooook :D
1459008;1461857712;asciilifeform;winter per se does not create genius, no. chukcha exists.
1459009;1461857724;asciilifeform;but it is a nutrient of sorts.
1459010;1461857922;mircea_popescu;explain the ur-example of this trope, babylon.
1459011;1461857926;mircea_popescu;and the golden crescent, and egypt.
1459012;1461857939;mircea_popescu;and, for that matter, explain the n-s stratification of china.
1459013;1461857940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: climatechaaaaange!1111111
1459014;1461857946;mircea_popescu;ahahaha i c.
1459015;1461857997;punkman;surviving in the desert is also hard neh?
1459016;1461858013;asciilifeform;punkman: deserts create their own sort of chukcha.
1459017;1461858086;*;mircea_popescu has lived with bedouins, would pick them over ustards if had to.
1459018;1461858154;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would prolly pick dead squirrel in cardboard box over ustards
1459019;1461858157;asciilifeform;and hell, i would too
1459020;1461858179;mircea_popescu;nope.
1459021;1461858195;mircea_popescu;i lived there, certainly in more states than the majority of citizens, had a great time of it.
1459022;1461858218;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu would have great time hanging out with chukchas also
1459023;1461858226;asciilifeform;so long as it was ~hang out~ and not ~condemned to live as~
1459024;1461858233;mircea_popescu;this is possible. i never actually did. but had great time with ukrs :)
1459025;1461858275;mircea_popescu;certainly the coupla refugee chechens trying to pass for serbs in the 1990s were fun to party with :D
1459026;1461858288;asciilifeform;almost anything can be a joyride if you get to pick and choose what parts of it you actually touch
1459027;1461858300;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo please show him the instruments.
1459028;1461858528;asciilifeform;lel
1459029;1461858530;asciilifeform;'As an example, Hypponen said he had recently spoken to a European aircraft maker that said it cleans the cockpits of its planes every week of malware designed for Android phones. The malware spread to the planes only because factory employees were charging their phones with the USB port in the cockpit.'
1459030;1461858535;asciilifeform;^ moar lulz
1459031;1461858799;mircea_popescu;heh
1459032;1461858839;asciilifeform;^ from the 'google is the new microshit' dept.
1459033;1461858900;mircea_popescu;bonus lulz : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-04-28.log.html#t15:51:09
1459034;1461858957;asciilifeform;wat is this
1459035;1461859250;mircea_popescu;someguy.
1459036;1461859424;asciilifeform;snore.
1459037;1461859700;asciilifeform;quite unrelatedly, http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.40.4467 << vintage lulz
1459038;1461859834;trinque;http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/how-long-until-we-see-google-play-on-windows-mac-os-and-linux/ << moar google is the new m1cro$hit
1459039;1461859855;trinque;who didn't see it coming since they first did NaCl?
1459040;1461860634;mircea_popescu;word.
1459041;1461861093;shinohai;http://www.stripes.com/news/us/pentagon-to-test-f-35-against-a-10-in-common-sense-war-scenario-showdown-1.406393 "As soon as we can get the planes to stop rebooting their systems midair and junk"
1459042;1461861269;trinque;fascinating. is this test meant to simulate a future, fractured US military fighting against itself?
1459043;1461861428;asciilifeform;trinque: americans almost always use own machines on both sides of a wargame
1459044;1461861440;asciilifeform;(they have a supply of foreign hardware but it is precious and rarely switched on)
1459045;1461861824;mircea_popescu;shinohai it should perhaps be added that a decade ago, when romania was fresh in nato etc, there was a joint exercise, with romania being designated the bad guy because they flew migs.
1459046;1461861837;mircea_popescu;they also downed EVERY SINGLE US FIGHTER, with those same migs.
1459047;1461861843;mircea_popescu;it ended up something like 44-1
1459048;1461861884;mircea_popescu;this is not to say romania is any kind of genius pit. it's simply to say that in any sort of full scale confrontation, the russians have air supremacy over any battlefield outside the continental us.
1459049;1461861888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how are these normally played? 'laser tag' ?
1459050;1461861904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a more complex version, they do the target acquisition and simulated shooting.
1459051;1461861921;mircea_popescu;ie, the radars follow the imagined firings and count a hit when it "hits".
1459052;1461861925;asciilifeform;ah.
1459053;1461861957;mircea_popescu;it's a decent approximation with modern weaponry, in flight missile failures are rare.
1459054;1461861965;mircea_popescu;detonation failures slightly more common, but still rare enough.
1459055;1461862113;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also in fairness, they were modernised migs. many things, but especially an electronic warfare module from israel that at the time was absolutely top of the line.
1459056;1461862154;asciilifeform;well yeah i assumed it was not the pile of scrap at the timis. airport.
1459057;1461862167;mircea_popescu;myeah lol
1459058;1461862299;*;shinohai wishes Russians really had blown that whacko midget Tom Cruise out of the sky in Top Gun.
1459059;1461862737;deedbot;[Trilema] Random visuals from someplace - http://trilema.com/2016/random-visuals-from-someplace/
1459060;1461865061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/random-visuals-from-someplace/#comment-117143
1459061;1461866490;trinque;https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-April/000069.html << incoming opensslulz
1459062;1461866962;asciilifeform;https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160301.txt << last month's lulz
1459063;1461867118;asciilifeform;l0l, nadia heninger in there
1459064;1461867145;asciilifeform;and there is still such a thing as 'export ciphers' ?!
1459065;1461868225;joecool;will be interested to see if libressl keeps up its lack of "high" rated severity defects
1459066;1461868471;mircea_popescu;joecool word.
1459067;1461868793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer't.
1459068;1461870076;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/xSs
1459069;1461870077;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459070;1461870370;punkman;"Brought me a towel instead" << I lol'd
1459071;1461870453;mircea_popescu;i'm not even fucking kidding, like a bath towel.
1459072;1461870461;mircea_popescu;green.
1459073;1461870478;punkman;ahaha
1459074;1461870638;shinohai;Maybe they thought you wished to make ablutions with the champagne.
1459075;1461870663;mircea_popescu;or maybe they were just working there.
1459076;1461870672;punkman;"let me bring you a mop and a bucket sir"
1459077;1461870688;mircea_popescu;"so you can wrap your bottle in the bucket while you pour it through the mop"
1459078;1461870696;mircea_popescu;come to where the flavour is.
1459079;1461870720;shinohai;Was the champagne at least good?
1459080;1461870735;mircea_popescu;yes, there's a coupla very good types.
1459081;1461870749;mircea_popescu;there's also undrinkable piss, so it's a skill all in its own.
1459082;1461873905;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, apparently you can get rf shielding spray paint
1459083;1461873911;asciilifeform;and it is not entirely terrible.
1459084;1461874244;shinohai;Paint your own Faraday cage!
1459085;1461875576;shinohai;http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/28/man-in-hedgehog-onesie-with-bomb-strapped-to-his-chest-sparks-panic-in-baltimore-5848504/ <<< BingoBoingo tried to warn us furries were dangerous.
1459086;1461875690;mircea_popescu;lol
1459087;1461876155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the bus thing is quite a mindfuck
1459088;1461876371;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] For some, embarrassment is rare. For some, it’s sous-vide. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/
1459089;1461876420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re earlier link, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7647EA40F37B05AD2B809AEB672174F6A820149F730C163439746772EBF35392 << key from schneier's www. quite different.
1459090;1461876816;mircea_popescu;aha. he prolly lost the passphrase to the other one ?
1459091;1461876820;mircea_popescu;o no wait, that was zimmerman.
1459092;1461876933;asciilifeform;schnimmerman
1459093;1461876939;asciilifeform;or perhaps zneier.
1459094;1461877527;asciilifeform;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i "mirrored"
1459095;1461877533;asciilifeform;151
1459096;1461877589;asciilifeform;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime"
1459097;1461877593;asciilifeform;7
1459098;1461877611;asciilifeform;^ in othernyooz.
1459099;1461877708;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".gov"
1459100;1461877711;asciilifeform;8
1459101;1461877719;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".mil"
1459102;1461877724;asciilifeform;19
1459103;1461877749;asciilifeform;and who is interested in whatever else, can grep himself!
1459104;1461878103;deedbot;[Qntra] New Vatican Bank Scandal: Coinbase Style Account Closures - http://qntra.net/2016/04/godfather_part_3_was_boring/
1459105;1461878104;BingoBoingo;^ Actual title: "New Vatican Bank Scandal: Coinbase Style Account Closures" ty shinohai
1459106;1461878127;shinohai;:D
1459107;1461878136;BingoBoingo;Oh, for some reason /me was confused and thought Deedbot only did urls
1459108;1461878187;shinohai;dat url
1459109;1461878247;BingoBoingo;Gotta fuck with google
1459110;1461878818;shinohai;You gonna do an investigation linking possible furry ties to ISIS ?
1459111;1461878840;BingoBoingo;mebbe
1459112;1461879312;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why does qntra web-based irc link still point to #b-a ?
1459113;1461879345;BingoBoingo;fck, will correct
1459114;1461879392;BingoBoingo;fxd
1459115;1461879640;asciilifeform;from the dept. of definitely-not-nyooz, http://www.emis.de/journals/INTEGERS/papers/l6/l6.pdf << strictly for aficionados !
1459116;1461879661;asciilifeform;'Mathematics Research Group, National Security Agency, Fort George G. Meade'
1459117;1461882605;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4gv858/xotikatv_shows_my_deposit_in_mycelium_how_is_that/ <<< possibly because you are too dumb to remove an address label before sending coins.
1459118;1461886805;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/04/gsa-le-wacko.pdf << qntra ?
1459119;1461886806;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459120;1461886997;mod6;This is a bar where the waitress brought me champagne but forgot the napkin, and when I asked for one she couldn't produce such. Brought me a towel instead. What the hell's the difference, right ? << lol
1459121;1461891576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll give you another mindfuck, by explaining the baez reference mentioned en passant.
1459122;1461891587;asciilifeform;hm?
1459123;1461891609;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, i am readying the bernsteinatronic phuctorer for blastoff.
1459124;1461891634;mircea_popescu;so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
1459125;1461891666;mircea_popescu;now, he's also an argentine. he was the main man of the ex-president, govt changed, he would have to be thicker than the law permits to not realise they're coming to steal his shit next.
1459126;1461891692;mircea_popescu;he has had almost half a year, during which he failed to drive the 200 "automoviles de lujo" ie, upmarket consumer crap across the border into chile.
1459127;1461891699;mircea_popescu;HE COULD HAVE DONE THE DEED HIMSELF. did not.
1459128;1461891741;mircea_popescu;"hid them" through the process of throwing a tarp over the shit.
1459129;1461891756;mircea_popescu;then "el fiscal marijuan" (i kid you not) discovered that there are "a lot more properties than previously known". ie, looked under the tarp.
1459130;1461891762;asciilifeform;who the fuck 'saves' in ... cars
1459131;1461891765;mircea_popescu;argentines.
1459132;1461891772;mircea_popescu;this is not even a joke. they believe cars are "an investment"
1459133;1461891788;mircea_popescu;they also believe "de lujo" means 60k crap from the us, fucking ford fiestas and whatnit
1459134;1461891789;asciilifeform;and not museum cars...?
1459135;1461891791;asciilifeform;but generic?
1459136;1461891798;mircea_popescu;generic.
1459137;1461891798;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1459138;1461891821;mircea_popescu;about 1/3 of the country's trade defficit is rich idiots "investing"
1459139;1461891829;mircea_popescu;and with a country that invests like this, famine should surprise no-one.
1459140;1461891848;mircea_popescu;they readily agree with me when i say "argentina is horribly managed". they have not the fucking inklest of an idea wtf they mean,
1459141;1461891858;mircea_popescu;seriously, that woman put a million dollars into cars.
1459142;1461891875;mircea_popescu;and when i say she looks like a used up old whore people go "o how could you say this about la presidenta"
1459143;1461891884;asciilifeform;sounds like an egypt
1459144;1461891897;mircea_popescu;she's no fucking presidenta, she's an old whore from west texas. looks, ~and thinks~ like she did the trucker routes all her life
1459145;1461891908;mircea_popescu;supreme accomplishment is a retirement full of cars. "luxury" cars.
1459146;1461891925;asciilifeform;i dun see the famine tho, it'll be a usg/cn recreditatron
1459147;1461891938;mircea_popescu;right, BECAUSE THEYRE WHITE
1459148;1461891945;asciilifeform;serbs were white
1459149;1461891953;mircea_popescu;no, serbs were slavic.
1459150;1461891959;asciilifeform;point
1459151;1461891986;mircea_popescu;you may think that's white. anglos don't. meanwhile spanish folks, fucked by the arabs into a shade barely distinct from maghreb's, white as the queen's own milk.
1459152;1461891987;asciilifeform;tho slavs only blackened because there was no lizard investment in'em
1459153;1461891996;mircea_popescu;it's all a mental issue.
1459154;1461892042;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's no way to recreditatron this bubble. they're about 5 bn short. nobody's sp[ending 50bn to buy 40mn inept turdheads.
1459155;1461892046;mircea_popescu;there'll be some famine.
1459156;1461892060;asciilifeform;some. but not enough that i can walk in and buy one.
1459157;1461892070;asciilifeform;they will be sold, as slavs were sold, in pallets
1459158;1461892097;mircea_popescu;the problem there is still entirely mental. their reaction to famine is to further oppress young females, so you won't be able to buy one not because all she does all day is sit in a concrete jail and watch youtube vids
1459159;1461892107;mircea_popescu;but because she doesn't believe there's anything else for her.
1459160;1461892114;mircea_popescu;sucks old woman cock and counts herself happy.
1459161;1461892134;asciilifeform;l0l!
1459162;1461892137;mircea_popescu;aha.
1459163;1461892145;mircea_popescu;anyone seen "the piano teacher" btw ?
1459164;1461892176;mircea_popescu;"civilised" female imbecile, ends up so fucking dry she has to go to jackoff booth in porn store and sniff discarded cumrags.
1459165;1461892185;mircea_popescu;very much argentina. "fambly!!11"
1459166;1461892280;mircea_popescu;(the movie is very illustrative of old cunt poison, actually. girly buys herself a better looking dress, old woman (who she lives with!) tears it, then withstands the coming assault (which is what women do ftr), and then gets the victim to cry and then they paradoxically bond further (also what women do) and, AND, for the grand finale, the coup de grace, comments that "forgiveness comes easy BECAUSE THEY ARE HOTBLOODED.")
1459167;1461892295;mircea_popescu;NOT you see, because i got you just where i want you, you stupid cow.
1459168;1461892319;mircea_popescu;but because, in the naive girly's imagination, there's no difference between that FAILED act of liberation and the genuine article. she after all never succeeded.
1459169;1461892323;asciilifeform;nuttery.
1459170;1461892332;mircea_popescu;so she's more than happy to THINK she's a terrorist, all the more as she isn't even close.
1459171;1461892353;mircea_popescu;and by this fundamental act of nominalistic equivalency, the insanity preserves itself.
1459172;1461892370;mircea_popescu;a mechanism described by clinicians since close to two centuries ago, but who the hell cares amirite.
1459173;1461892414;asciilifeform;the 'no difference between that FAILED act of liberation and the genuine article. she after all never succeeded' is... guess what: perl
1459174;1461892447;mircea_popescu;i recall you saying.
1459175;1461893140;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453024 << "paper says" does not imply "person eats"
1459176;1461893140;a111;Logged on 2016-04-16 03:41 BingoBoingo: Oh, adlai is on Abilify
1459177;1461893196;*;BingoBoingo likes the alliteration, at least eat one.
1459178;1461895403;ben_vulpes;;;later tell felipelalli you have good taste what can i say
1459179;1461895404;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459180;1461896227;mircea_popescu;they should make disabilify.
1459181;1461896304;adlai;it's called neurolepsia
1459182;1461896355;*;adlai is on 5mg olanzapine, in case anybody is curious... 0/10 do not recommend, taken only to placate concerned folk
1459183;1461896819;*;mircea_popescu looks at the local pharma experts to explain what that one does.
1459184;1461896882;BingoBoingo;It's like seroqel, induces beetus
1459185;1461896895;adlai;tl;dl: atypical (aka 'modern', as in "we don't yet have the faintest clue ~why~ this one does") antipsychotic (aka 'disabilify'), perscribed for telling people too much truth, of the paranoid flavor
1459186;1461896970;adlai;sometimes meat-people prefer to hear calming babble. this makes me "gentle meek and mild" (tm)
1459187;1461896999;BingoBoingo;Hey, thorazine was the first 'atypical'
1459188;1461897028;BingoBoingo;Seriously shoulda done risperidone so MP could have milked you
1459189;1461897078;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Drops A Smidge - http://qntra.net/2016/04/bitcoin-difficulty-drops-a-smidge/
1459190;1461897078;*;adlai has discovered that staying up all night sufficiently counteracts the boringness. vox resumica ca 30th hour, so s'all good, man!
1459191;1461897103;adlai;dat editorial improvement :D
1459192;1461897155;*;adlai had the gall to ask for pharmaceutical cannabidiol... "maybe next year. right now you need zyprexa!!!1!1!"
1459193;1461898953;mod6;Ok, made some changes here.. updated for 80 cols, added a thing to print with HTML, made the code a bit prettier, it's still have some work to do. But if anyone wants to check it out: http://dpaste.com/22Z34X5.txt http://dpaste.com/0TA7AD2.txt
1459194;1461899146;mod6;shinohai: if you wanna test something ^
1459195;1461899221;*;adlai waits for the State of April address
1459196;1461899505;trinque;BingoBoingo │ It's like seroqel, induces beetus << seroquel is nasty shit; a quack gave me that for a misdiagnosed vitamin d deficiency about a decade ago
1459197;1461899517;trinque;felt like most of my brain was off
1459198;1461899606;BingoBoingo;trinque: That's how hamplanets feel all the time
1459199;1461899643;mod6;adlai: ya, will be Saturday for sure.
1459200;1461900569;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1459201;1461900576;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 449.09, vol: 7263.52795861 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.96, vol: 9217.833 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 448.84, vol: 15774.15244501 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 22.8893402 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 447.393375, vol: 34459.94740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.886, vol: 1379.74341163 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.061363, vol: 37.96430783 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1459202;1461900626;BingoBoingo;;;more
1459203;1461900626;gribble;447.519375638
1459204;1461911029;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm like the only english speaker that never indulged in the chem weird ?
1459205;1461911073;adlai;you don't know the half of it, just the other day my ptsdogenic fund paid for my university catharsis
1459206;1461911155;mircea_popescu;heh.
1459207;1461911247;adlai;!up scalpl
1459208;1461911248;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1459209;1461911252;adlai;$up scalpl
1459210;1461911261;deedbot;adlai may not $up scalpl
1459211;1461911273;adlai;looks like it's a level-two loop-whole!
1459212;1461911334;adlai;scalpl, having enjoyed mircea_popescu's options emporium during the dying throes of its public trade, will henceforth enjoy the dying throes of vitalik_buterin's nonsense polonium. more news once it actually loses money.
1459213;1461911385;punkman;poloniex?
1459214;1461911434;adlai;yep.
1459215;1461911464;adlai;it's already well along the well trod path - the SCIA has already reported withdrawal difficulties
1459216;1461911498;adlai;although they assured me that my coupla bitcents were safe there, seeing as they're all "investing" double-digit btc in swaps
1459217;1461911751;adlai;these idiots who never heard of functional APIs prefix every side-effect-free call with "return". nuts! https://poloniex.com/support/api/
1459218;1461911905;adlai;sadly my cost basis is already pessimal due to abysmal timing of buying an ethercent to play with before vitalik pooped
1459219;1461912422;mircea_popescu;$up scalpl
1459220;1461912426;deedbot;scalpl voiced for 30 minutes.
1459221;1461912981;scalpl;thank you mircea! i'm alive.
1459222;1461913159;mircea_popescu;lol. enjoe.
1459223;1461913263;scalpl;i'll enjoy this more if people actually start shorting, or longing, or whatevering, this nonexistent fifth element
1459224;1461913750;scalpl;mircea_popescu: how much noise may i make in the channel while voiced?
1459225;1461913774;adlai;"gotta dilute something"!
1459226;1461932651;asciilifeform;"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)" ('Tokyo, JP') << holyfuq
1459227;1461932700;mircea_popescu;?
1459228;1461932709;asciilifeform;from phuctor visitor logz
1459229;1461932721;mircea_popescu;yea but... so ?
1459230;1461932768;asciilifeform;so long time no see ie4.
1459231;1461932783;asciilifeform;on win98.
1459232;1461932793;asciilifeform;(or joker pretending to be same)
1459233;1461932802;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
1459234;1461932811;mircea_popescu;not possibru, "mozilla" didn't exist then
1459235;1461932841;asciilifeform;iirc it supported w98
1459236;1461932845;asciilifeform;at some point.
1459237;1461932939;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, libpq refuses to link statically.
1459238;1461932974;mircea_popescu;more nss joys ?
1459239;1461932987;asciilifeform;for no currently detectable reason, even
1459240;1461932997;asciilifeform;just doesn't seem to exist in static variant
1459241;1461933059;mircea_popescu;;;google libpq
1459242;1461933060;gribble;PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.1: libpq - C Library: ; PostgreSQL: Documentation: 9.3: libpq - C Library: ; GitHub - brianc/node-libpq: Simple, low level native bindings to ...:
1459243;1461933062;mircea_popescu;heh.
1459244;1461933073;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck, this fucking cult already.
1459245;1461933080;mircea_popescu;they do EVERYTHING the same way.
1459246;1461933084;mircea_popescu;how is this even possible irl ?!
1459247;1461933094;asciilifeform;'konsensoos'
1459248;1461933100;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck.
1459249;1461933141;mircea_popescu;ok, i understand the part where in order to participate in the bizarro cult of whatever the fuck you gotta abandon any possibility of independent thought, even in principle, and preferablty before puberty. fine.
1459250;1461933149;mircea_popescu;HOW THE FUCK do they get them all aligned ?!
1459251;1461933156;asciilifeform;with money ?
1459252;1461933173;mircea_popescu;billions of seemingly normal humans, entirely hollow husks filled with piss, all shambling in the EXACT same direction of the same mecca.
1459253;1461933179;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is in that kaaba stone already!
1459254;1461933184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform money doesn't work like this.
1459255;1461933192;asciilifeform;not mircea_popescu-style money
1459256;1461933208;asciilifeform;rent-and-rice money
1459257;1461933213;mircea_popescu;look : i fucked money, she begged me to stay so she'll cook me breakfast.
1459258;1461933220;mircea_popescu;i know what money does and this ain't it.
1459259;1461933227;asciilifeform;because not same animal!
1459260;1461933233;mircea_popescu;there's only one money.
1459261;1461933238;asciilifeform;turns out not
1459262;1461933246;mircea_popescu;it turns out alright, but yes.
1459263;1461933266;asciilifeform;just like lion is not the same animal to kid staring in the zoo vs kid in africa being chewed
1459264;1461933274;mircea_popescu;but it IS same animal.
1459265;1461933286;asciilifeform;in principle.
1459266;1461933291;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "to". i fucked her. this means i rearranged its essential oils with my penis.
1459267;1461933335;mircea_popescu;like, to guy who fucked lion, lion is same animal. kids at zoo or zamibia irrespective.
1459268;1461933348;asciilifeform;to hunter - same, aha
1459269;1461933355;asciilifeform;to the eaten - not.
1459270;1461933366;mircea_popescu;this is not possibru
1459271;1461933386;asciilifeform;it is the answer to mircea_popescu's riddle of 'why they all walk in same direction' tho.
1459272;1461933400;mircea_popescu;incomprehensibru
1459273;1461933417;mircea_popescu;i shall now retire to meditate upon this most unexpected development.
1459274;1461933480;*;asciilifeform brb, committing unspeakable atrocities for money
1459275;1461936852;shinohai;https://github.com/timbowhite/botbouncer <<< a javascript extortion bot LOL
1459276;1461937467;jurov;that's actually not so bad idea
1459277;1461937578;jurov;like, my IP got banned by incapsula (some cloudflare ilk) for no discernible reason and all sites that use it just blackhole me. even "pay here" screen would be better than this.
1459278;1461937923;shinohai;Hopefully something a bit more robust however.
1459279;1461938015;jurov;no ennumeration of badness can ever be robust
1459280;1461938713;mircea_popescu;so you mean you want web to work like email does.
1459281;1461938749;mircea_popescu;i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
1459282;1461940110;jurov;what? email behaves the same way. once you're on blacklist, servers mostly won't bother to inform you
1459283;1461940189;jurov;but email blacklists you can check yourself. no such recourse with incapsula
1459284;1461940408;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459281 << killed 'gmail' yet ?
1459285;1461940408;a111;Logged on 2016-04-29 14:05 mircea_popescu: i'll spend a thousand to ddos incapsula off the internet before i spend a dollar for such bullshit.
1459286;1461940412;asciilifeform;where is the funeral ?
1459287;1461940465;asciilifeform;and recall, they are in the process of the exact same 'embrace & extinguish' for bitcoin, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454505
1459288;1461940465;a111;Logged on 2016-04-21 12:43 asciilifeform: 'Based on the information I have available to me, it appears that the MIT ChainAnchor Project is in part an attempt to get Bitcoin users to register their real world identities and associate their transactions with those identities. Initially this would be on an opt-in basis, however it appears that ChainAnchor has a longer-term plan to bribe and coerce miners into only mining transactions from registered users, eventually prohibitin
1459289;1461942926;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i said "i'll do x before y", has exactly nothing to do with what you're talking about mr. cheapshot
1459290;1461942991;mircea_popescu;jurov wtf ? a) i've been getting offers to "Whitelist" my mail server for the low low price of whatever for a decade now. b) you just said you checked yourself, what do you mean.
1459291;1461943021;asciilifeform;offers from whom? 419 sp4mz0rz ? afaik no organization credibly offers such a thing
1459292;1461943026;mircea_popescu;buncha fucktarded scammers running the concern troll angle, "oh, subscribe to our service to protect yourself from spam"
1459293;1461943039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plenty do, including yahoo.
1459294;1461943048;mircea_popescu;;;google whitelist email server
1459295;1461943049;gribble;The Spamhaus Whitelist: ; Whitelisting website email so it is not rejected as spam - Stack ...: ; Whitelisting Email Servers and IPs | GoDaddy Email Marketing ...:
1459296;1461943067;mircea_popescu;spamhaus also, apparently. for anyone actually believing the "we are here to halp" angle.
1459297;1461943077;mircea_popescu;which reminds me - wikipedia back to "not advertising", right ?
1459298;1461943080;*;asciilifeform astonished and even more disgusted than previously
1459299;1461943108;jurov;yes a) is irrelevant b) pls reread. you can check why your *email* server onj your IP was blacklisted. you can't easily check what incapsula thinks about the same IP
1459300;1461943131;mircea_popescu;how did you find out ?
1459301;1461943144;asciilifeform;http://stackoverflow.com/a/4817290 << gold
1459302;1461943156;asciilifeform;'Google does not permit whitelisting!
1459303;1461943161;mircea_popescu;seems to me b works exactly the same way for both services ; and a is irrelevant because you opted to go into blockhead mode as far as that goes.
1459304;1461943162;asciilifeform;'"unlike many other providers that automatically let through all mail from certain senders, making it possible for their messages to bypass spam filters, Gmail puts all senders through the same rigorous checks"'
1459305;1461943181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at some point i actually had proof yahoo sold the content of inbox to spammers.
1459306;1461943193;jurov;easy. for example https://wiki.kde.org/ hags here, but not throuh proxy. and it resolves to incapsula
1459307;1461943198;jurov;*hangs
1459308;1461943198;adlai;isn't this basically the google business model?
1459309;1461943202;asciilifeform;^^
1459310;1461943204;mircea_popescu;more or less yes.
1459311;1461943211;asciilifeform;was the only google business model !
1459312;1461943213;adlai;this = selling insider info to spammers
1459313;1461943232;asciilifeform;if yer 'insider info' is plaintext in a mailbox...
1459314;1461943237;adlai;er sorry, i said the dirty word... back to the lulzmines for me
1459315;1461943751;mircea_popescu;anyway. the emai lthing is run 100% like a scam, with some periodicity some derpass "provider" or other randomly blacklists me, starts sending offers, waits 5-6 months or so for complaints to pile in, then un-blacklists me.
1459316;1461943760;mircea_popescu;bout every 18-20 months since at least 2005.
1459317;1461943770;mircea_popescu;"business", as america understands the term.
1459318;1461943821;asciilifeform;complaints?!
1459319;1461943833;mircea_popescu;well someone somewhere isn't getting his mail.
1459320;1461943869;asciilifeform;normally this someone doesn't ~know~
1459321;1461943881;mircea_popescu;back when i was younger i'd actually crusade to get various "customers" to terminate the arrangement. worked about as well as anything involving teh consumertard works.
1459322;1461943885;asciilifeform;(and if you only talk to known folks who have strong relations with you, it is unclear to me why to use email)
1459323;1461943900;adlai;wait, isn't the goal of email to "inbox less"? i thought not getting mail was the whole point?
1459324;1461943902;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sooner or later they figure out, some at least.
1459325;1461943945;adlai;clearly the hashcash targets are too low, somebody get bitcoin-godpapa on the phone!
1459326;1461943958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: back when i was doing the robot thing, i (far too late) learned that we lost at least one strong lead solely on account of 'spam' filters.
1459327;1461944013;mircea_popescu;true olympian sez : "strong".
1459328;1461944016;punkman;maybe that is why all the ustards are always on "a call" or scheduling one?
1459329;1461944040;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'strong' in the very bare bones sense in that it was a convo with someone who actually ~had~ the machine
1459330;1461944058;asciilifeform;(rarity)
1459331;1461944061;mircea_popescu;aha.
1459332;1461945808;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://stackoverflow.com/a/17330725 << moar lelz
1459333;1461946101;shinohai;Dafuq
1459334;1461950161;mircea_popescu;"modern" eh ?
1459335;1461950167;mircea_popescu;;;ud modern
1459336;1461950168;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Modern | Modern, in this respect, suggests a person, commonly a female, and more commonly of Sino-Asian lineage, who accepts, or at least doesn't readily condemn, ...
1459337;1461950189;mircea_popescu;i must have missed the memo redefining "modern" as shitpiss.
1459338;1461950200;mircea_popescu;fucking amodernicans.
1459339;1461950430;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pete’s guide to investing in cars. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/29/petes-guide-to-investing-in-cars/
1459340;1461951334;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu guess how long grinding 1678436 moduli took
1459341;1461951334;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459342;1461951353;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459124 << apparently no-one recalls the x.com thing ? back in the early days of the internet, an unknown derp made an "internet bank" which was promptly owned and lost some money.
1459343;1461951353;a111;Logged on 2016-04-29 01:00 mircea_popescu: so this schmuck is an "entrepreneur", whatever, typical socialist state constructed leech, like they have in ro ru us etc. a peter thiel (speaking of which, anyone actually recall the x.com thing ? which is how he became famous in the first place ?)
1459344;1461951372;mircea_popescu;the ensuing publicity made it worth ~100x what it was worth before, and made peter thiel a vague internet celebrity.
1459345;1461951379;mircea_popescu;which is how the whole thing started.
1459346;1461951391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me guess, 90 minutes.
1459347;1461951505;mircea_popescu;o boy teh suspense is killing me.
1459348;1461951599;asciilifeform;doing another run with all 16 cpu
1459349;1461951609;asciilifeform;1679650 mods.
1459350;1461951614;asciilifeform;brb
1459351;1461951746;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/y7T
1459352;1461951746;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459353;1461951805;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/28/for-some-embarrassment-is-rare-for-some-its-sous-vide/ << i lollered the healthly lol of schadenfreunde, for while i loathe the inept orcs i live among, it consoles me to read orcish adventures in the northern lands. you got some grammar issues in teh letter tho.
1459354;1461951806;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459355;1461952427;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu 815.614s (1679650 mods ---> 205 phuctored) but not posted to db yet, this was test.
1459356;1461952428;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459357;1461952445;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wtf why so fast!
1459358;1461952452;asciilifeform;because bernsteinatronic.
1459359;1461952460;mircea_popescu;you gotta write the man a letter.
1459360;1461952473;asciilifeform;didntcha invite him here once
1459361;1461952488;*;asciilifeform brb m33333t1ng
1459362;1461952493;mircea_popescu;i dun recall. if i said i did, but anyway. deeds of this nature deserve to be properly congratulated.
1459363;1461953463;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, dude walks into a store on bucharest's poshiest street yesterday, pulls out a 10 inch blade and stabs a sales girl, heart and all. love story.
1459364;1461953784;mircea_popescu;oh, and also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3565120/Kim-Jong-pleasure-squad-teenage-virgins-tyrant-forces-troupe-schoolgirls-life-servitude-North-Korea-s-elite.html
1459365;1461953925;shinohai;^ nice
1459366;1461954028;mircea_popescu;such lulzy derpage. "Kim Jong Un is surrounded by weeping members of the Korean Children's Union. Some schoolgirls (not pictured) are picked from classrooms to join the so-called 'Pleasure Squad' that serves the country's elite"
1459367;1461954049;mircea_popescu;"here's a random publicity of the photo showing obama being fucked in the ass by donald trump (not pictured)"
1459368;1461955388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: factors appear to be correct superset of old. i'ma hook the thing up to live db tonight.
1459369;1461955412;mircea_popescu;cool. i'm working on a little horror of my own, will rfc teh esteemed lordship later on.
1459370;1461955514;asciilifeform;neato
1459371;1461955526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we can blast the thing nightly (or, perhaps even hourly..)
1459372;1461955568;mircea_popescu;hourly seems fine if it's 15mn sorta thing.
1459373;1461955571;mircea_popescu;epic shit, this.
1459374;1461956175;asciilifeform;eh, bit of a downer to me
1459375;1461956178;asciilifeform;i was expecting to find moar.
1459376;1461956219;asciilifeform;(this, realize, is a total pairwise gcd, every-at-every)
1459377;1461956569;asciilifeform;gotta make the 'eightball'
1459378;1461956586;asciilifeform;(what i'm calling a synthetic 'rsa key' where modulus is product of 1st N primez)
1459379;1461956592;asciilifeform;oughta knock out some moar.
1459380;1461956802;asciilifeform;(does anyone not grasp why it needs 'eightball'..?)
1459381;1461956892;*;adlai still awaits the fabled 8ball that'll keep him up all night doing euclid's algo by longhand
1459382;1461956908;adlai;it's always just at the edge of my social circle, and frankly i should probably leave it there
1459383;1461956962;asciilifeform;$up Apocalyptic
1459384;1461956965;deedbot;Apocalyptic voiced for 30 minutes.
1459385;1461956981;trinque;$gettrust deedbot Apocalyptic
1459386;1461956981;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
1459387;1461956998;trinque;Apocalyptic: tried $up lately?
1459388;1461956999;Apocalyptic;thank you, apparently deedbot wasn't correctly fixed as i'm still unable to up myself
1459389;1461957001;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic ought to be able to up
1459390;1461957010;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: yes just before I asked you
1459391;1461957035;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/ << rfc diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo mod6 danielpbarron mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf
1459392;1461957036;Apocalyptic;got "21:05 You must be registered."
1459393;1461957141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does para#2 work ??
1459394;1461957159;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: the modulus of what you're referring to as 'eightball' is actually called a primorial in math literature
1459395;1461957161;asciilifeform;para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
1459396;1461957164;mircea_popescu;phase 1 ? we just feed it a list of ips and root credentials.
1459397;1461957169;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: i know what it is called
1459398;1461957184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link for that thing ?
1459399;1461957186;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: but in our context the primorial has to take the shape of rsa key so the proggy can display it
1459400;1461957193;Apocalyptic;naturally
1459401;1461957194;trinque;$key Apocalyptic
1459402;1461957196;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what thing
1459403;1461957206;mircea_popescu; para#1 reads a bit like earlier project 'eternity'
1459404;1461957219;adlai;mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the gsm modems sucking power off dushenski-reject autos?
1459405;1461957232;*;adlai got the ol' meshnet boner from that one
1459406;1461957235;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/eternity/eternity.html << it
1459407;1461957235;mircea_popescu;adlai nothing much.
1459408;1461957238;mircea_popescu;ty
1459409;1461957251;asciilifeform;adlai: i still have the bag full of esp8266
1459410;1461957310;adlai;meshnets, because ip versions can also go to eleven
1459411;1461957359;mircea_popescu;adlai the only odd thing here is why do you ask me "what happened to x" ? this isn't what #trilema is for. #trilema is for you telling me "here's what i did with X".
1459412;1461957401;adlai;mircea_popescu: i thought this was the one that didn't know how to shut up?
1459413;1461957424;adlai;(for the judaically challenged - http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1486118/jewish/The-Four-Children-Explained.htm )
1459414;1461957429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sounds rather indistinguishable from 9999 other general similar derpage from the pre-dot-com boom era. could just as well be the early scribblings of jimbo "i do children" wales.
1459415;1461957436;mircea_popescu;im bailing halfway through section 1.
1459416;1461957465;adlai;Unfortunately, there is, in our time of confusion and obscurity, another kind of a Jewish child: the child who is conspicuous by his absence from the Seder Service; the one who has no interest whatsoever in Torah and G???d's commandments... who is not even aware of the Seder, of the Exodus from Egypt and the subsequent revelation at Sinai. ... sounds like ferrante!
1459417;1461957485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was not very good, no
1459418;1461957509;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally i will confess that your proposal, at least in so far as para#1, was actually the original point of my 'bitcoin in '06' thing
1459419;1461957515;asciilifeform;(which went nowhere)
1459420;1461957523;asciilifeform;but that was precisely what i wanted, yes
1459421;1461957534;mircea_popescu;the better part of P is where it starts doing its own mining bots.
1459422;1461957559;mircea_popescu;the rest is just fluff leading up to it.
1459423;1461957563;asciilifeform;there was another project, which did go somewhere a bit, called 'owner free file system'
1459424;1461957570;asciilifeform;also pertinent
1459425;1461957571;adlai;in my utopifanfic, the first commandment is Thou Shalt Not Mine
1459426;1461957579;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this "did go somewhere a bit" thing :D sweet.
1459427;1461957583;adlai;kinda like weeding your garden and drinking your vitamins
1459428;1461957596;mircea_popescu;adlai and why not ?
1459429;1461957603;adlai;because it accelerates graygoo!
1459430;1461957612;mircea_popescu;wotgoo is the point.
1459431;1461957612;adlai;graydy-algo-goo.
1459432;1461957624;adlai;wot doesn't need mining, wot is the solution to the mining bug
1459433;1461957625;trinque;$key Apocalyptic
1459434;1461957632;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/9c199327-6915-420a-a97f-1189455b8bf4/
1459435;1461957632;adlai;but mining is the solution to the whence-of-trust bug
1459436;1461957647;mircea_popescu;this makes no sense. wut ?
1459437;1461957648;trinque;ok Apocalyptic, try again. I missed a case sensitive -> insensitive.
1459438;1461957661;adlai;it's another blog post from the future, i'll shut up now. let trinqui take over.
1459439;1461957671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://offsystem.sourceforge.net << their ancient www
1459440;1461957733;diana_coman;hm, I'm not sure I fully get it, gotta read it again with a clearer head, but so far: do I read that right that you are proposing in the end to trust the machine ?
1459441;1461957769;mircea_popescu;i am actually proposing to remove ability of action from people incapable of controlling such a machine.
1459442;1461957782;mircea_popescu;but in principle there's no reason each lord can't run his onw P, and even war with another's.
1459443;1461957795;mircea_popescu;the whole point however is for any non-lord to be as incapable of action as lobsters at the market.
1459444;1461957802;mircea_popescu;rubber bads on the clippers and all.
1459445;1461957802;asciilifeform;we sorta have this re bitcoin.
1459446;1461957828;diana_coman;ah, that sounds better
1459447;1461957835;mircea_popescu;no further governments, elections, civil or human rights or any of the jazz. got P ? shall be the whole of the law.
1459448;1461957856;adlai;mircea_popescu: a comment - you mention homomorphic encryption with out qualifying part- or fully. the former exists! the latter...
1459449;1461957887;asciilifeform;as i understand, this is the ancient dream of 'run program nowhere at all but everywhere'
1459450;1461957892;mircea_popescu;adlai the thing needed here does not exist.
1459451;1461957919;shinohai;$rated trinque
1459452;1461957919;adlai;the idea being, running pnodes as seemingly innocent processes on, say, aws/gce/etc?
1459453;1461957920;deedbot;shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
1459454;1461957943;mircea_popescu;the thing needed here is, "here's meaningless token X which really means 2 ; and here's meaningless token Y, which really means +, and here's meaningless token Z, which really means 2." and you respond with meaningless token K, which really is 4, and never know 2 or + or 4.
1459455;1461957979;asciilifeform;this is trivial until you also want the enemy to not be able to infer which token means, e.g., '+' in reasonable effort
1459456;1461957981;adlai;interesting, extending the homomorphism to the operations themselves
1459457;1461957991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did say "and never know..."
1459458;1461957992;asciilifeform;then it is called 'indistinguishable obfuscation'
1459459;1461958003;deedbot;[Trilema] Introducing [P]ermanence - http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/
1459460;1461958017;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that it is currently my day job, to test schemes for this.
1459461;1461958026;mircea_popescu;not so lulzy as much as coincidental
1459462;1461958032;mircea_popescu;for god teh lord doth not throw dice.
1459463;1461958074;asciilifeform;now, none of said schemes work, but they are all built with braindamaged assumption
1459464;1461958080;asciilifeform;namely, that proggy runs on ~singular box~
1459465;1461958086;asciilifeform;rather than n-of-m net.
1459466;1461958132;Apocalyptic;trinque: works now
1459467;1461958140;trinque;good deal
1459468;1461958289;mircea_popescu;the only important thing there really, is to offer 100% guarantee that sepukku rather than dishonor.
1459469;1461958301;mircea_popescu;defined like that, the problem is (i think) significantly more tractable.
1459470;1461958317;mircea_popescu;the tru braindamaged assumption is to assume everlasting life, like we're in heaven or some bs
1459471;1461958321;asciilifeform;elaborate plox
1459472;1461958352;mircea_popescu;the only, or at least the first guarantee P must make is that it will destroy itself before being subverted.
1459473;1461958371;mircea_popescu;as long as no P can ever be captured, P makes an unbeatable army.
1459474;1461958387;asciilifeform;gotta define 'subvert'
1459475;1461958389;mircea_popescu;EVEN IF it's "not very useful".
1459476;1461958398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform enemy extracting as much as 1 bit of non-entropy.
1459477;1461958407;mircea_popescu;(this is currently the situation, ftr. all the Ps are dead)
1459478;1461958431;asciilifeform;enemy can simply record the bits passively from a captured node, unless the thing is a ~physical~ fort
1459479;1461958447;mircea_popescu;this recording a) should be detectable and b) should not be useful.
1459480;1461958451;asciilifeform;and if he does this for n of m, whatever the magic n, you've been undetectably owned
1459481;1461958464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this then reduces to 'tamper-proof box'
1459482;1461958471;adlai;the human taboo against theft does bitcoin a poor canary make.
1459483;1461958480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps. i am unsure.
1459484;1461958587;asciilifeform;other observation is that extant hardware is very poorly suited to self-destruct (as in permanently losing bits on demand)
1459485;1461958590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider a simple scheme : n of m, where every $timeinterval k of m are discarded.
1459486;1461958605;mircea_popescu;now enemy must gather more than k per $timeinterval units to eventually reach n.
1459487;1461958627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in general, i would prefer a version where "destruct" === "abandoned by P".
1459488;1461958662;mircea_popescu;(the simple scheme above lulzily reduces to... mining!)
1459489;1461958664;asciilifeform;with sufficient % of sybil, enemy can reconstruct history
1459490;1461958680;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "abandoned by P" might mean "fed spurious data".
1459491;1461958705;mircea_popescu;we're under no obligation to tell the truth ; merely to keep impervious track of all the lies.
1459492;1461958780;asciilifeform;sure
1459493;1461958782;asciilifeform;and this is sorta what happens in a bitcoinatron
1459494;1461958784;asciilifeform;(chain forklets)
1459495;1461958787;mircea_popescu;kinda ya
1459496;1461958794;mircea_popescu;not so good tho - it's a tree.
1459497;1461958804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's scheme orthogonalizes into several separate axis
1459498;1461958823;asciilifeform;one is that it is a generalization of bitcoin
1459499;1461958830;mircea_popescu;maybe. does it have to ?
1459500;1461958835;asciilifeform;in fact, same one i originally tried for, and was quite disappointed in bitcoin not being
1459501;1461958846;asciilifeform;but the other is the 'obfuscated' thing
1459502;1461959001;mircea_popescu;anyway. P-G-V-iB and we're getting somewhere.
1459503;1461959065;asciilifeform;the funny part is that there is already a comical nazi version of this
1459504;1461959069;asciilifeform;(urbit!)
1459505;1461959090;mircea_popescu;aha. tmsr might give the clown a 2nd lease on lyf.
1459506;1461959128;asciilifeform;sorta why i followed the project for as long as i did
1459507;1461959160;asciilifeform;it was fundamentally the right idea but implemented with inconceivable degree of braindamage - and - at least in the last few yrs - by the Professionally Sad
1459508;1461959171;mircea_popescu;for my own curiosity, does c. yarvin figure on the list of good citizens & old bolsheviks that were yehzov'd by stalinmp or notrly ?
1459509;1461959202;asciilifeform;more of a sun yatsen
1459510;1461959208;asciilifeform;or hm
1459511;1461959221;asciilifeform;chiang kai-shek.
1459512;1461959356;mircea_popescu;i always kinda liked that guy.
1459513;1461959394;asciilifeform;prolly the most recent leader to boil derps
1459514;1461959397;asciilifeform;in actual pots
1459515;1461968080;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 i cannot make t display a single ticket, only the whole lot. Plz advise.
1459516;1461968080;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459517;1461971034;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque can haz phuctor rss hookup in deedbot plox ?
1459518;1461971034;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1459519;1461973024;mod6;hey shinohai: should be something like this `./t.pl ticket.txt pid 18`
1459520;1461973047;mod6;something might be broken in there though, im currently trying to wrap up some clean up stuff right now.
1459521;1461973054;shinohai;OH ok i didn't use `pid`
1459522;1461973056;mod6;so if it doens't work right, no big worries.
1459523;1461973061;mod6;ah, ok.
1459524;1461973604;shinohai;nah still shows them all even if i add `pid`
1459525;1461973643;mod6;hrm. ok will look into it.
1459526;1461974194;mod6;seems to be fixed on my side.
1459527;1461974209;mod6;just hang tight, will have something for you to test here shrtly.
1459528;1461974461;shinohai;mkay thanx :D
1459529;1461974513;mod6;yw, thanks for testing :]
1459530;1461974900;shinohai;it is easily married to an irc bot, i like it
1459531;1461975640;mod6;yeah, it could be for sure. its early in its life for sure. try this one on for size: http://dpaste.com/2XNKFW4.txt
1459532;1461977514;mod6;oh, hrm, a few more changes, I think I fixed the graphs.
1459533;1461977692;mod6;yah actually, this is pretty cool
1459534;1461977757;shinohai;\o/ that works
1459535;1461977830;shinohai;w/ html O.o
1459536;1461978077;mod6;just a few, will post the graphs + new code. i had something screwed up in the graphing code.
1459537;1461978258;shinohai;ok.
1459538;1461978686;mod6;alright.
1459539;1461978695;mod6;so here is the latest code with the graph fixes: http://dpaste.com/1681XKR.txt
1459540;1461978700;mod6;you can use the same ticket file
1459541;1461978703;mod6;and ....
1459542;1461978721;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html
1459543;1461978728;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt
1459544;1461978735;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ticket_graph.html
1459545;1461978743;mircea_popescu;haha check out that stuff!
1459546;1461978745;mod6;you may need to zoom out a bit to get the full picture on the last one.
1459547;1461978764;shinohai;I was playing with that on my server already LOL ... this is killer
1459548;1461978789;mircea_popescu;mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ?
1459549;1461978800;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, countdown to phuctoringz!
1459550;1461978801;mod6;Yeah, i need to play with it a bit more for sure.
1459551;1461978833;mod6;Hopefully will get some extra time tonight. Still gotta write up the SoBA for april. Eep!
1459552;1461978833;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt << dude this is epic... more and more of my native tools getting swallowed up by tmsr!
1459553;1461978838;shinohai;the plaintext output and phtml rock
1459554;1461978840;shinohai;tho
1459555;1461978848;mircea_popescu;soon i won't be able to tell the difference! that shit looks exactly like home.
1459556;1461978862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think ima trilema it.
1459557;1461978880;mod6;:] glad you dig it
1459558;1461978888;*;shinohai drinks to mod6 ... just sparkly but at least i got a napkin.
1459559;1461978894;mircea_popescu;lol
1459560;1461978901;mircea_popescu;yeh doing god's work here mod6
1459561;1461978978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wait till it blowz!
1459562;1461978985;asciilifeform;no more than 20 min prolly.
1459563;1461979000;mod6;"she's gone from suck to blow"
1459564;1461979180;asciilifeform;3... 2... 1...
1459565;1461979225;asciilifeform;firing.
1459566;1461980025;asciilifeform;splattering out...
1459567;1461980077;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Andreas Heimann ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67B53A956C56248022299BE1489190E8B96BB1C707161816375F64BE3AA9AAE1
1459568;1461980078;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Konstantin Pisarenko ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1058B43984FD910A23CE94CC7D3179EE5AA3B0B3F1A3598D73C71C72EEEDE21
1459569;1461980079;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Richard Monk ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/75254628CF9D61D0137B535BDE2860B51836575E4A454589D01BD586E163B445
1459570;1461980079;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Debarshi Ray ; Debarshi Ray (GNU Developer) ; Debarshi Ray (GMail Account) ; Debarshi Ray (Red Hat Employee) ; Debarshi Ray (Fedora Packager) ; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Developer) ; Debarshi Ray (GNOME Foundation Member) ; Debarshi Ray (Freedeskto
1459571;1461980080;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
1459572;1461980080;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7374458848949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Saeid ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FD900729BD063FFD5B8CB3D6C7828574ADFE7DF6046F67D7982DF35DFF18EAA
1459573;1461980081;mircea_popescu;o boy.
1459574;1461980087;mircea_popescu;250+ of these yes ?
1459575;1461980095;shinohai;O.o
1459576;1461980095;mircea_popescu;nice job asciilifeform !
1459577;1461980098;asciilifeform;still jizzing, give it a few min
1459578;1461980141;shinohai;In which phuctor unintentionally dos' deedbot
1459579;1461980151;mircea_popescu;it's not down is it ?
1459580;1461980161;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Ralf Oltmanns ; Ralf Oltmanns ; Ralf Oltmanns ; Ralf Oltmanns (Piratenpartei Deutschland Landesverband Bayern) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/796A75EB3CC04A7E195A0B6F1A9A1B4716C67A59F1CC9ACB8A9B796A1B4AF1D0
1459581;1461980162;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ms@shingondo.org ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A05889A8F8BA47B362BCD6CA1E020FA879C7BA9E11F8D473C1E7C34B43C3AD2D
1459582;1461980162;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 21474836485 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital ; Charly Avital (GnuPG) ; Charly Avital ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
1459583;1461980162;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 382252089433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Hofmann ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187
1459584;1461980162;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 234397840233775 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'SlowFax