1392126;1454284920;punkman;choosing a position in toposorted list for pressing was just a hack to keep things simple 1392127;1454285009;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160201/201601.txt.asc?sha1=295f2ea0b44fc825f052392229d3dc61cf9a2744 1392128;1454285010;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tvyy9A ) 1392129;1454285019;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1392130;1454285089;ben_vulpes;thank you jurov! 1392131;1454285116;ben_vulpes;and thank you for reporting per my ask. 1392132;1454285141;jurov;yw 1392133;1454285393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55608 @ 0.00055514 = 30.8702 BTC [-] {2} 1392134;1454285820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114250 @ 0.00055285 = 63.1631 BTC [-] {6} 1392135;1454286064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17870 @ 0.00055586 = 9.9332 BTC [+] {2} 1392136;1454286234;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/27A07FS.txt 1392137;1454286235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QB19Yz ) 1392138;1454286237;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1392139;1454286890;deedbot-;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2016-report/ 1392140;1454287022;BingoBoingo;punkman: Feel free to qntra it up I got a meeting to get to. 1392141;1454287097;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/2KNDK9M.txt 1392142;1454287098;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QB2gr5 ) 1392143;1454287106;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1392144;1454288931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415813 @ 0.00056296 = 234.0861 BTC [+] {8} 1392145;1454289785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3432 @ 0.00056417 = 1.9362 BTC [+] {2} 1392146;1454291066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83175 @ 0.00055921 = 46.5123 BTC [-] {3} 1392147;1454293079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79800 @ 0.00056567 = 45.1405 BTC [+] {3} 1392148;1454293506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00056676 = 16.1527 BTC [+] 1392149;1454293595;BingoBoingo;!up TheRealJohnGalt 1392150;1454293604;BingoBoingo;!up alphonse23_ 1392151;1454293613;BingoBoingo;!up Norbiss 1392152;1454293620;BingoBoingo;!up raedah 1392153;1454293879;ben_vulpes;https://www.instagram.com/p/BBObFK5L0Gf/?taken-by=mediablackoutusa 1392154;1454293880;assbot;Instagram ... ( http://bit.ly/1JT7E9J ) 1392155;1454293885;ben_vulpes;good evening, BingoBoingo 1392156;1454293899;BingoBoingo;evening Mr. Fox 1392157;1454294048;ben_vulpes;how was the 12/12 1392158;1454294171;ben_vulpes;unrelated: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rent-damn-high-founder-endorses-trump-president-article-1.2514218?cid=bitly 1392159;1454294172;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20AYgeW ) 1392160;1454294188;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Not bad. Quite a few visitors for a sunday meeting 1392161;1454294213;ben_vulpes;you've been in it for what, 2 months at this point? 1392162;1454294294;mircea_popescu;how many months is it for the special hat ? 1392163;1454294299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78628 @ 0.00056701 = 44.5829 BTC [+] {3} 1392164;1454294411;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wut ? 1392165;1454294461;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: 3 1392166;1454294489;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Better than hats, they do coins for 1, 3, 6, and then every year. 1392167;1454294502;ben_vulpes;works if you work it 1392168;1454294528;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu wut? 1392169;1454294585;mircea_popescu;no idea why i'm reading random blather about the human fund - money for people. or w/e 1392170;1454294611;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1392171;1454294612;ben_vulpes;trumpenreich 2016, duh 1392172;1454294618;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 368.95, vol: 4409.94441176 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 375.493, vol: 3441.25724 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 366.85, vol: 20204.78414813 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 369.0, vol: 0.03261465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 375.360084, vol: 33446.40800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 369.62307, vol: 241.10449841 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.111934904, vol: 33.66723239 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1392173;1454294619;BingoBoingo;;;more 1392174;1454294619;gribble;average: 372.107348189 1392175;1454294628;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency eur 1392176;1454294635;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 340.09811, vol: 4409.94441176 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 345.15, vol: 45.68 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 340.1442, vol: 0.03261465 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 346.283202, vol: 33447.39620000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 343.99974, vol: 2854.81219994 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 351.31999899, vol: 33.66723239 | Volume-weighted last average: 345.457610149 1392177;1454294643;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency jpy 1392178;1454294650;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 44751.79025, vol: 4417.71642254 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 45545.180845, vol: 3441.55924 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 44757.855, vol: 0.03261465 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 45564.6627, vol: 33447.72720000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 44000.0, vol: 29.32626815 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 46224.9288671, vol: 33.66723239 | Volume-weighted last average: 45475.6666147 1392179;1454294653;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1392180;1454294661;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2477.0, vol: 33448.04360000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2477.0 1392181;1454294665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76000 @ 0.00056629 = 43.038 BTC [-] 1392182;1454294876;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/perjury/ 1392183;1454294876;assbot;Hot Perjury ... ( http://bit.ly/20AYRgN ) 1392184;1454295471;phf;a curio for the lisp aficionados http://mumble.net/~jar/pseudoscheme/ an implementation of scheme in common lisp forward ported from lisp machines. a precursor to scheme48, so gets a lot of things right 1392185;1454295472;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20AZpTN ) 1392186;1454295863;ben_vulpes;i've been trying to read the tinyscheme sources 1392187;1454295876;ben_vulpes;did not know that tear ducts could weep blood 1392188;1454296218;phf;ben_vulpes: ideally you'd want to read this first http://www.amazon.com/Lisp-Small-Pieces-Christian-Queinnec/dp/0521545668 1392189;1454296220;assbot;Lisp in Small Pieces: Christian Queinnec, Kathleen Callaway: 9780521545662: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/20havAw ) 1392190;1454296441;phf;or rather instead :D 1392191;1454296483;ben_vulpes;hm 1392192;1454296525;ben_vulpes;one of the things that remains a mystery to me is the recompilation facilities supporting slime et al 1392193;1454296541;ben_vulpes;although that's probably more accurately strictly a SBCL thing. 1392194;1454296555;ben_vulpes;a hundred and eleven fucking dollars!? 1392195;1454296571;ben_vulpes;seventy six eighty on MOTHERFUCKING KINDLE?! 1392196;1454296579;ben_vulpes;I WILL NOTE 1392197;1454296580;ben_vulpes;NOT 1392198;1454296590;phf;:D 1392199;1454296615;mircea_popescu;awww, but all this technology was here to make books cheap and accessible! 1392200;1454296626;BingoBoingo;Hey, Amazon will buy your copy for a $25 gift card though! 1392201;1454296632;mircea_popescu;what, you thought they're only selling at 0.95 for a few years until barnes and noble goes under ? 1392202;1454296676;ben_vulpes;the notion that there is any price for bits not agreed upon by a bid by people who want the bits and an opening of the floodgates by those who have them at an accepable rate is utter horseshit. 1392203;1454296679;mircea_popescu;the notion of some retard somewhere paying a hundred he actually worked for so as to receive a pdf still makes me chuckle. 1392204;1454296716;mircea_popescu;next whores'll be paying to get ramed. 1392205;1454296733;ben_vulpes;those curly horns don't look too fun, but whaddoiknow 1392206;1454296739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00056672 = 42.9574 BTC [+] 1392207;1454296869;phf;of course per ascii's oft repeated point there's a russian translation, on github, https://github.com/ilammy/lisp 1392208;1454296870;assbot;ilammy/lisp - TeX - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/20hbVv1 ) 1392209;1454296988;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: know anything about deleuze and guatarri in the context of intertextuality? 1392210;1454296995;ben_vulpes;guattari* 1392211;1454296998;mircea_popescu;... 1392212;1454297025;copypaste;i have a kindle, but never use the store feature. 1392213;1454297028;ben_vulpes;that'd be a no then? 1392214;1454297042;mircea_popescu;that'd be a wtf is wrong with you. 1392215;1454297058;copypaste;also, i liked your attempt at the merchant rewrite mircea_popescu :) 1392216;1454297064;mircea_popescu;lol k 1392217;1454297072;BingoBoingo;If you need to invoke intertextuality for any reason, your problem is likely wrong. 1392218;1454297108;mircea_popescu;i also know something about finkielkraut and that other fuckwit in the context of amorous disorder. 1392219;1454297109;ben_vulpes;i don't know anything about the topic! 1392220;1454297112;mircea_popescu;ask better questions. 1392221;1454297145;BingoBoingo;Maybe people can actually use it in french, but in the English language if you invoke it, there is a near certainty you and your problem are wrong. 1392222;1454297166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109479 @ 0.00056618 = 61.9848 BTC [-] {5} 1392223;1454297235;mircea_popescu;you read it, incidentally, ben_vulpes ? 1392224;1454297242;ben_vulpes;what 'it' 1392225;1454297292;mircea_popescu;;;google le Nouveau desordre amoureux 1392226;1454297293;gribble;Le Nouveau Désordre amoureux — Wikipédia: ; PhilO - Pascal Bruckner - Le nouveau désordre amoureux (16 juin ...: ; «Tout le monde couchait avec tout le monde» - L'Express: Fichte->Hegel->Marx 1392252;1454298246;mircea_popescu;oh, and your mentioning kant reminds me : the whole "time is imposed by the observer" nonsense, also. 1392253;1454298257;BingoBoingo;Distinct problem though is lots of oversized patches in this V graph 1392254;1454298267;mircea_popescu;al these khagne idjits'd have benefitted immensely from a modest physical education. 1392255;1454298283;BingoBoingo;Well, what other conclusion is a bored German to come to? 1392256;1454298300;BingoBoingo;He came from Prussia, not a Germany with clocks at the time 1392257;1454298317;mircea_popescu;not that time's a prime order concept, but that it's both sad and unbecoming to field the matter with antiquated flintlocks left from 1700. 1392258;1454298343;mircea_popescu;there's a lot more intelligent things to say about time, and certainly better doubts to present than "oh it's secreted by observation". especially in the fucking 60s. 1392259;1454298344;BingoBoingo;It's a problem of making V patches too big, turds find a way 1392260;1454298542;BingoBoingo;Or drugs 1392261;1454300364;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: heh. i was actually taking a look at that trilema earlier today. if gabrielradio wants to lay the foundation, i'd be happy to build the house. 1392262;1454300381;pete_dushenski;;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2010/inca-o-pozitie-sexuala/ cheers! 1392263;1454300382;assbot;Inca o pozitie sexuala on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQKamU ) 1392264;1454300382;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1392265;1454300496;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/31/consumerism-reached-peak-stuff-search-for-happiness <-- not a terrible read on how 'normies' reconcile --> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2016#1387675 1392266;1454300497;assbot;If having more no longer satisfies us, perhaps we’ve reached ‘peak stuff’ | Will Hutton | Opinion | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZE1Cp ) 1392267;1454300497;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 13:21:58; mircea_popescu: it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology. 1392268;1454300693;pete_dushenski;in summa : "we should be less individualistic and more like the cattle we properly are. let's stop pretending to be something we're not" 1392269;1454300701;pete_dushenski;which isn't half-bad advice 1392270;1454300733;pete_dushenski;now, to digest 1k lines... 1392271;1454301571;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391519 << /me starting to appreciate v-power ! (and no, not the shell gasoline) 1392272;1454301571;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 19:22:50; phf: oh, if you remove joe from wot, v finds an alternative path 1392273;1454301924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139050 @ 0.00056188 = 78.1294 BTC [-] {2} 1392274;1454302371;BingoBoingo;Both 25 https://i.imgur.com/zESeXKh.jpg 1392275;1454302372;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKLToA ) 1392276;1454302412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77086 @ 0.0005599 = 43.1605 BTC [-] {2} 1392277;1454302586;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany << in related nyooz, 'lisa' is 13yo. no pic but guessing she's not a beached whale, or else no one would've believed her for even a minute. 1392278;1454302587;assbot;Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tw1i24 ) 1392279;1454302630;mircea_popescu;so are we going to believe the admission of the girl that admits she lied ? 1392280;1454302639;mircea_popescu;or are we going to think she was true the first time and is lying now ? 1392281;1454302670;pete_dushenski;yea, maybe she has allahusnackbarstockholm syndrome 1392282;1454302701;mircea_popescu;well moreover, a lot of people would a whole lot rather believe it never happened. so... 1392283;1454302770;pete_dushenski;i'd leave a comment bringing this very point up but... the guardian has disabled all comments. 1392284;1454302794;pete_dushenski;too uncomfortabru 1392285;1454303084;BingoBoingo;"But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true, said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner. " 1392286;1454303091;BingoBoingo;"TRAINED SPECIALISTS" 1392287;1454303205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77881 @ 0.00056162 = 43.7395 BTC [+] {2} 1392288;1454303279;asciilifeform;ok where do i start... 1392289;1454303309;BingoBoingo;Prolly by making a pot of coffee before you settle down. 1392290;1454303342;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391701 << dafuq 1392291;1454303342;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:22:51; mod6: http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt 1392292;1454303346;asciilifeform;IT BUILDS FINE HERE 1392293;1454303362;asciilifeform;and runs, correctly 1392294;1454303370;asciilifeform;ver string - sets, ver num - likewise. 1392295;1454303451;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391701 << this looks like mod6 kept left-over crud from old linker run and it choked on it 1392296;1454303451;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:22:51; mod6: http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt 1392297;1454303461;asciilifeform;always make -f makefile.unix clean 1392298;1454303518;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391844 << i will move to the bottom of the sea, email will not begin to work again 1392299;1454303518;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 21:48:22; mircea_popescu: hey alf, how about you move out of the us ? hm ? HM ? 1392300;1454303581;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391858 <<< aaaaand this is where we learn that NOBODY READS THE MOTHERFUCKING LOGZ 1392301;1454303581;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 21:56:45; ben_vulpes: anyways, mod6 you gotta upgrade v.pl to press *all* reachable leaves. that's the problem i'm running into with asciilifeform's recent shiva rebake 1392302;1454303606;asciilifeform;>>>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388421 <<<<<<< 1392303;1454303606;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 15:38:47; ascii_butugychag: i suppose this is when i restate my rage at the idiocy of gnudiff 1392304;1454303611;asciilifeform;^^^^^ mandatory thread ^^^^^ 1392305;1454303630;asciilifeform;tinyscheme genesis is NOT PART OF TRB !!1111111111111 1392306;1454303635;asciilifeform;was never meant to be ! 1392307;1454303640;asciilifeform;stop trying to press it! 1392308;1454303660;asciilifeform;it was the only way i could think of to nail down the lineage from virginal tinyscheme to shiva !1 1392309;1454303673;asciilifeform;gnudiff is RETARDED and doesn't let you rename files! 1392310;1454303699;asciilifeform;except by IDIOTICALLY minusing the whole shebang and plussing it back in under new name 1392311;1454303702;asciilifeform;fuckwads 1392312;1454303719;asciilifeform;who thought this was acceptable 1392313;1454303725;mod6;<+asciilifeform> IT BUILDS FINE HERE << huh, maybe i didn't clean?? i'll try again. 1392314;1454303734;asciilifeform;mod6: from your log, seems like it 1392315;1454303809;mod6;thanks for taking a look at that. did you see my replacement patch then? 1392316;1454303810;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall 1392317;1454303810;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:16:46; mircea_popescu: i originally thought so but research in here shows that no, it's never checked. 1392318;1454303815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12968 @ 0.00055763 = 7.2313 BTC [-] {2} 1392319;1454303827;asciilifeform;mod6: did that one work ? 1392320;1454303869;mod6;mine? should have. is basically the same as yours just instead with 'extern int VERSION;' 1392321;1454303882;mod6;gotta get it to link correctly tho. 1392322;1454303893;asciilifeform;did you make it directly from my 2 patches (old + new) ? 1392323;1454303899;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392316 << People kept confusing low/high-s malleabillity with the DER encoding business 1392324;1454303899;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:16:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall 1392325;1454303906;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha 1392326;1454303913;BingoBoingo;For MONTHS 1392327;1454303922;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this kind of confusion can only come from not actually reading the src 1392328;1454303933;asciilifeform;nothing quite compares to the magical power of actually reading things... 1392329;1454303947;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391956 << wai-wut?!1 wtf 1392330;1454303947;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:33:31; mircea_popescu: anyone thinking diapers are cheap is not-poor in the us 1392331;1454303961;mod6;<+asciilifeform> did you make it directly from my 2 patches (old + new) ? << no didn't even try that yet. just went straight into integration of both into one. kinda got side tracked with the SoBA and then watched some xfiles. heheh. 1392332;1454303969;asciilifeform;what else is secretly not-cheap, officially, that i had nfi about? ? toiler paper? 1392333;1454303979;*;BingoBoingo prolly going to pick up dead tree SICP in the next month or so 1392334;1454303989;asciilifeform;mod6: if it was not made from my patches directly, it is possible that you have a mistake. 1392335;1454303995;pete_dushenski;myea, i don't think we go through $1/day of diapers 1392336;1454304008;pete_dushenski;maybe $2. tops. 1392337;1454304033;mod6;yeah, i dunno, i got the same problem again just now. 1392338;1454304043;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391977 << see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392304 plox 1392339;1454304043;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:38:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you confirm that tinyscheme_genesis_fixed.vpatch does *not* depend on shiva parts one and two? 1392340;1454304043;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:13:31; asciilifeform: ^^^^^ mandatory thread ^^^^^ 1392341;1454304044;mod6;even after a clean. 1392342;1454304055;asciilifeform;mod6: try and actually make it from ~my~ patches. 1392343;1454304063;mod6;yah, will try here now. 1392344;1454304063;asciilifeform;you quite likely have a mistake in there. 1392345;1454304090;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391993 << again, phf also plz see mandatory thread. 1392346;1454304090;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:44:06; phf: so i dropped patches from "[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge." but i'm still missing something so they are just hanging there separately, http://104.131.72.249/patches/ 1392347;1454304120;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1392015 << that one, interestingly, WORKS 1392348;1454304120;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:48:49; mircea_popescu: i guess i fucked it up when putting it on trilema ? asciilifeform ^ mind saying what the above link does ? 1392349;1454304132;asciilifeform;('chromium') 1392350;1454304213;ben_vulpes;yes yes, gnudiff is retarded 1392351;1454304246;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392194 << you know, could always ask me, and get the l3333337 w4r3z 1392352;1454304246;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 03:15:55; ben_vulpes: a hundred and eleven fucking dollars!? 1392353;1454304247;ben_vulpes;ask me how many fuxx i give when trying to wire patches 1392354;1454304267;asciilifeform;don't trade with the enemy, just say no to paying for bits. 1392355;1454304280;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: joy of deficit spending here is that i complain about price of bits and find they're free. 1392356;1454304284;ben_vulpes;share a ware? 1392357;1454304303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00055752 = 35.6534 BTC [-] {2} 1392358;1454304402;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: seeing it yet ? 1392359;1454304428;ben_vulpes;dcc scares me 1392360;1454304436;asciilifeform;then where do you want it 1392361;1454304451;ben_vulpes;a gpggram would be lovely, or a .tgz i can scrape down from your server 1392362;1454304456;asciilifeform;too big 1392363;1454304473;*;ben_vulpes snaps a laptop 1392364;1454304502;ben_vulpes;thank you for pointing out the inadequacy of everything. 1392365;1454304572;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: do please to dcc again 1392366;1454304606;asciilifeform;l0l it was 15 years since i last did this 1392367;1454304615;ben_vulpes;motherfucker. 1392368;1454304627;ben_vulpes;perhaps only ten for me. 1392369;1454304633;ben_vulpes;eh maybe thirtee. 1392370;1454304635;asciilifeform;no go ? 1392371;1454304643;ben_vulpes;i don't think erc actually worx. 1392372;1454304699;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno what i screwed up with that integration patch of mine, but yeah, your vpatch fix pressed and compiled fine. 1392373;1454304702;asciilifeform;anyway ben_vulpes and everybody else can have 133333337 w4r3z when they can come up with a place for it to go. 1392374;1454304710;asciilifeform;mod6: cool 1392375;1454304712;mod6;thanks! 1392376;1454304714;asciilifeform;toldya it wurx 1392377;1454304716;mod6;my apologies 1392378;1454304719;asciilifeform;np 1392379;1454304725;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: how big *is* it? 1392380;1454304729;asciilifeform;~40M 1392381;1454304738;asciilifeform;mod6: you will notice that it works on shiva branch also. 1392382;1454304791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35907 @ 0.00056188 = 20.1754 BTC [+] {2} 1392383;1454304831;ben_vulpes;erc complains of :host 0.0.0.199 1392384;1454304839;ben_vulpes;which yes, i'd complain of as well 1392385;1454304852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66526 @ 0.00056332 = 37.4754 BTC [+] {2} 1392386;1454304865;mod6;Bitcoin version 0.9.99.98 1392387;1454304885;asciilifeform;mod6: wai wut 1392388;1454304893;asciilifeform;counting to what, zero ? 1392389;1454304905;asciilifeform;gonna step through 0.5.3 again, .2, .1 ?? 1392390;1454304912;ben_vulpes;!up renart 1392391;1454304932;ben_vulpes;mother shit fucker 1392392;1454304935;mod6;<+asciilifeform> counting to what, zero ? << it did show in the log already when i started with -setvernum=99998 1392393;1454304938;mod6;so far, this is good. 1392394;1454304941;ben_vulpes;am i authed or not 1392395;1454304960;mod6;gonna check getinfo in a sec. 1392396;1454304982;asciilifeform;mod6: try to also understand where the original mistake was. 1392397;1454304986;asciilifeform;(it is educational) 1392398;1454304991;asciilifeform;mine, that is 1392399;1454304998;ben_vulpes;!up renart 1392400;1454305001;mod6;# ps ax | grep bitcoind && LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin getinfo | grep version 1392401;1454305004;mod6;22877 pts/1 SLl 0:54 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=188.68.240.159 -setverstring=trb -setvernum=99998 1392402;1454305007;mod6;22900 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --colour=auto bitcoind "version" : 99998, 1392403;1454305014;renart;asciilifeform: for lulz, dcc it to me again? 1392404;1454305022;mod6;looks good 1392405;1454305035;asciilifeform;'no route to host' 1392406;1454305036;mod6;there is supposed to be a line break up here ^ but didn't translate through the copy 1392407;1454305051;mod6;i'll see if i can figure out wtf I did differently tomorrow. 1392408;1454305052;renart;a well 1392409;1454305117;mod6;ok will look again at it tomorrow. thanks ascii, g'night! 1392410;1454305124;asciilifeform;goodnight mod6 1392411;1454305188;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1392412;1454305297;ben_vulpes;also how is 40M too large for a webserver? 1392413;1454306804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13435 @ 0.00055867 = 7.5057 BTC [-] 1392414;1454307231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46273 @ 0.00056055 = 25.9383 BTC [+] {2} 1392415;1454308513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28831 @ 0.00056578 = 16.312 BTC [+] {2} 1392416;1454308878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00056358 = 25.1357 BTC [-] {3} 1392417;1454308924;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Xi5uJMF.png 1392418;1454308924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkMoJV ) 1392419;1454309000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.0005571 = 24.8188 BTC [-] {4} 1392420;1454309580;BingoBoingo;http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/allstar/2016/01/31/john-scott-all-star-game-nashville-goal/79611074/ 1392421;1454309581;assbot;John Scott scores twice, named MVP after leading Pacific to All-Star win ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkNm8W ) 1392422;1454309732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104100 @ 0.00056602 = 58.9227 BTC [+] {3} 1392423;1454310281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00056671 = 8.8973 BTC [+] 1392424;1454310471;ben_vulpes;lol even vex has commentary on the dccpisode 1392425;1454310510;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5Df_lDD38 1392426;1454310511;assbot;The Streets - Stay Positive - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkP8al ) 1392427;1454311135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 401 @ 0.0035 = 1.4035 BTC [+] 1392428;1454315832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00056661 = 41.1925 BTC [-] 1392429;1454316076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17386 @ 0.00056661 = 9.8511 BTC [-] 1392430;1454316629;danielpbarron;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0019PDB.txt 1392431;1454316630;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQYRXa ) 1392432;1454316639;deedbot-;imported: 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14 1392433;1454316703;danielpbarron;;;later tell felipelalli ^^^ also >> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot#synopsis 1392434;1454316704;assbot;irc_bots:deedbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RVey0C ) 1392435;1454316704;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1392436;1454316729;danielpbarron;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw/Bd3Qg7aW 1392437;1454316730;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQXFTR ) 1392438;1454316731;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1392439;1454316736;*;danielpbarron bows 1392440;1454317290;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391285 << ok but please bear with me; i think i should stop my current bitcoind, make a backup, and start this one fresh. I'm not really set up for running two at once at the moment. 1392441;1454317290;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 18:13:52; mod6: danielpbarron: hey there Sir, wanna update the wiki & test the steps from a newb standpoint when you get a moment? Y^ 1392442;1454318821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134300 @ 0.00056671 = 76.1092 BTC [+] 1392443;1454321697;danielpbarron;>> Sometimes regular expressions can get messy. That's what she sed. << found on twatter. laughed. 1392444;1454322054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00056671 = 30.829 BTC [+] 1392445;1454323457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00056652 = 3.1725 BTC [-] {2} 1392446;1454323945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00056621 = 25.0831 BTC [-] 1392447;1454325531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79600 @ 0.00056684 = 45.1205 BTC [+] {3} 1392448;1454326080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100552 @ 0.00056612 = 56.9245 BTC [-] {5} 1392449;1454327178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138624 @ 0.00056278 = 78.0148 BTC [-] {5} 1392450;1454327971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00056323 = 8.195 BTC [+] {2} 1392451;1454327971;punkman;re:deleuze&guattari: Once upon a time I was scrolling through a big pile 1337 w4r3z, and I saw "A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia" and I thought "maybe that'll be interesting". I opened it on my crappy ebook tablet, flipped through some pages. The moment I thought "this shit's unreadable isn't it", the tablet died, never to come back. 1392452;1454329557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 284750 @ 0.00056144 = 159.87 BTC [-] {3} 1392453;1454330960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130300 @ 0.00056671 = 73.8423 BTC [+] {4} 1392454;1454332058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00056339 = 36.1696 BTC [-] {2} 1392455;1454332996;polarbeard;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e 1392456;1454332998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYHJn7 ) 1392457;1454333000;assbot;polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYHMiI ) 1392458;1454333002;assbot;polarbeard_fix_instance_print.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYHKay ) 1392459;1454333016;mircea_popescu;danke, will look. 1392460;1454333028;mircea_popescu;finishing a little earth shatter of my own right now :D 1392461;1454333041;polarbeard;:) 1392462;1454333949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39857 @ 0.00056702 = 22.5997 BTC [+] {2} 1392463;1454334010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34843 @ 0.00056711 = 19.7598 BTC [+] {2} 1392464;1454334147;copypaste;kakobrekla: I'd like to make a request if you have a moment. When I get my OTP from assbot, it sends the header `Content-Type: application/json; charset=utf-8` ... This causes my browser to incorrectly interpret GnuPG documents as JSON, so it spews annoying errors which prevent me from just doing Ctrl-A Ctrl-C...to wit, "There was an error parsing the JSON document. The document may not be 1392465;1454334149;copypaste;well-formed." "unexpected character at line 1 column 1 " 1392466;1454334369;kakobrekla;changed to 'text/plain' if that helps 1392467;1454334538;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/81b25113-e9e7-485d-995a-b13e790305ae/?raw=true << so I just restarted bitcoind, using -connect to all the trb nodes in the wiki, it looks like only Inciatus is letting me connect, the rest are refusing my connection? 1392468;1454334539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6Vh6q ) 1392469;1454334703;PeterL;It looks like it is going through the list, trying to connect to each node and repeatedly getting disconnected, should I stop it and restart only connect to the one node which is connected? 1392470;1454334716;mircea_popescu;are you on aws ? 1392471;1454334719;PeterL;no 1392472;1454334732;mircea_popescu;this should probably be debugged. 1392473;1454334914;PeterL;well I am connected to something, not sure which one it is 1392474;1454335000;kakobrekla;you must be getting banned by that banhammer patch 1392475;1454335034;copypaste;kakobrekla: yes, text/plain is perfect. thanks 1392476;1454335053;kakobrekla;k 1392477;1454335109;jurov;http://www.projectnatick.com/ m$ heard alf and going underwater 1392478;1454335110;assbot;Project Natick ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6WL0L ) 1392479;1454335135;jurov;straight from horse's mouth: "With the end of Moore’s Law, the cadence at which servers are refreshed with new and improved hardware in the datacenter is likely to slow significantly." 1392480;1454335160;PeterL;Now I have 3 connections 1392481;1454335258;PeterL;is there a way to list the connections? 1392482;1454335469;mircea_popescu;hey, ~i~ said moore law's dead! 1392483;1454336331;BingoBoingo;Who's racis now? http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/white-officers-slower-to-shoot-black-suspects-new-study-finds/article_b4c9fb58-49eb-5a34-8ab8-d97b7307f667.html 1392484;1454336333;assbot;White officers slower to shoot black suspects, new study finds : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KltEdb ) 1392485;1454336345;BingoBoingo;"But the study also showed that when holding guns in more realistic simulations, the same officers were faster to shoot whites." 1392486;1454336378;BingoBoingo;"The report says that in realistic situations, the officers waited about a quarter of a second longer to shoot armed black men than white and they fired by mistake on unarmed white men three times more often than on blacks." 1392487;1454336409;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1392488;1454336410;gribble;1064249248.94 1392489;1454336572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056712 = 30.9648 BTC [+] 1392490;1454336597;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes mod6 if teh esteemed foundation'd give an opinion on http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ kthx. 1392491;1454336598;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q70TOa ) 1392492;1454336661;polarbeard;PeterL: getpeerinfo@0.7.0, it needs to be backported: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/1006f0707e34f8903f247195dabd86243ae61f05 1392493;1454336662;assbot;RPC: add 'getpeerinfo', returning easy-to-retrieve per-CNode data · bitcoin/bitcoin@1006f07 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q715gi ) 1392494;1454336710;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: is there any reason against that one? I miss it too 1392495;1454336752;mircea_popescu;they'll prolly want to do it in scheme now. but anyway, if you want it for production reasons, go right ahead. 1392496;1454336772;jurov;mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there a space for sane upgrade path? 1392497;1454336794;mircea_popescu;jurov rebasing. 1392498;1454336809;polarbeard;aha I see, but maybe ascii can trash the jsonrpc part and keep the functionality itself? 1392499;1454336816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133423 @ 0.00056497 = 75.38 BTC [-] {3} 1392500;1454336843;mircea_popescu;polarbeard it won't hurt anything writing a backport patch for it if you feel like it. 1392501;1454336862;mircea_popescu;whether it'll be used or not is unclear, so i wouldn't TELL you to do it, but if you want to do it by all means. 1392502;1454336909;polarbeard;all right 1392503;1454336944;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: But if you could write that funtionality in Scheme, you might get some love for it. 1392504;1454336968;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for the record, the one most important factor in how long they wait to shoot should be and probably is "how weird this shit is". 1392505;1454336986;mircea_popescu;as in they'd prolly shoot aliens even faster. so in this sense, the study's useless without looking at what environment those guys operate in. 1392506;1454337010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh it's unclear whether that can be done just yet or not. whole different kettle of soup. 1392507;1454337018;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno, they shot Lavoy Finicum pretty fast. 1392508;1454337063;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392285 << i should hope these were the same "trained specialists" that started the wholly hallucinated "family abuse" moral panic of the 90s. 1392509;1454337063;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:04:44; BingoBoingo: "But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true, said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner. " 1392510;1454337078;mircea_popescu;what a grand time for the state that was! for the first time ever it got its way with everyones' children 1392511;1454337094;polarbeard;BingoBoingo: that's a good idea, I'll try after backporting this one 1392512;1454337121;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well it's the german "trained experts" so who knows 1392513;1454337159;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5602 I believe 1392514;1454337160;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.45 B (3%) on Yes, 12.72 B (97%) on No | closed 1 day 14 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q72HH2 ) 1392515;1454337160;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1392516;1454337161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392316 << i do. 1392517;1454337161;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:16:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391899 << i looked in the prb crud when we had this thread, found no such thing, recall 1392518;1454337269;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392335 << poverty limit. ask the world bank :D 1392519;1454337269;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:19:55; pete_dushenski: myea, i don't think we go through $1/day of diapers 1392520;1454337426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48809 @ 0.00056424 = 27.54 BTC [-] {2} 1392521;1454337519;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392451 << it's readable in the sense every other contemporary industrial process is "machineable" or "approachable" or whatever. with heavy equipment, not with bare hands and eyes. 1392522;1454337519;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 11:59:31; punkman: re:deleuze&guattari: Once upon a time I was scrolling through a big pile 1337 w4r3z, and I saw "A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia" and I thought "maybe that'll be interesting". I opened it on my crappy ebook tablet, flipped through some pages. The moment I thought "this shit's unreadable isn't it", the tablet died, never to come back. 1392523;1454337554;deedbot-;[Trilema] The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol - http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ 1392524;1454337561;mircea_popescu;polarbeard don't put commas immediately after urls it fucks things up 1392525;1454337584;polarbeard;ok 1392526;1454337621;mircea_popescu;perhaps i'm not understanding something, but where's all the list of fixed returns ? 1392527;1454337644;polarbeard;fixed returns? 1392528;1454337677;mircea_popescu;your original thing had a lot of - return ; + return (hey we fucked up at %d); 1392529;1454337697;mircea_popescu;oh last one nm 1392530;1454337715;phf;jurov: v uses hash as a lookup key, so in that sense algo agnostic. you can mix and match as long as from and to hashes linkup 1392531;1454337723;polarbeard;ok, anyway here is the old for reference: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613 1392532;1454337726;assbot;polarbeard_logging_sanity.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewosO ) 1392533;1454337913;mircea_popescu;polarbeard do you have the tags you use enumerated anywhere ? 1392534;1454337975;polarbeard;enumerated as an actual enum? 1392535;1454338019;polarbeard;they're defined here, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547#file-polarbeard_better_log_messages-vpatch-L2029-L2039 1392536;1454338022;assbot;polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlwJtP ) 1392537;1454338048;mircea_popescu;omfg what is the purpose of putting clicable line numbers in github if all they do is blink. GIMME AN ANCHOR MOTHERFUCKING IDIOTS 1392538;1454338062;mircea_popescu;wait that works ? 1392539;1454338068;polarbeard;lol :D 1392540;1454338093;mircea_popescu;https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547-L67 1392541;1454338094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlwRcM ) 1392542;1454338096;mircea_popescu;omfg how do you get it ? 1392543;1454338100;polarbeard;do they blink? what do you use mosaic? :D 1392544;1454338127;polarbeard;click on first line number, then second, it makes a range 1392545;1454338155;mircea_popescu;not here. 1392546;1454338168;polarbeard;oh sorry, hold shift to make a range 1392547;1454338168;mircea_popescu;anyway, dbenv.set_lg_max(1000000); < wut ? 1392548;1454338193;phf;mircea_popescu: http://104.131.72.249/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-1149.0-1189.1 1392549;1454338194;assbot;polarbeard_better_log_messages ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q75zUc ) 1392550;1454338207;polarbeard;oh, yep nice catch 1392551;1454338221;mircea_popescu;bless you phf! 1392552;1454338241;mircea_popescu;ok polarbeard if you don't mind we'll use his version it's about 500 times better than github 1392553;1454338288;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/694060508953968644 1392554;1454338296;mircea_popescu;phf d oyou want a domain name ? hosting ? 1392555;1454338324;polarbeard;haha 1392556;1454338354;polarbeard;shithub.com 1392557;1454338380;mircea_popescu;sooo... 1392558;1454338380;phf;mircea_popescu: a domain name 1392559;1454338380;mircea_popescu;+#define SERR "ERR " 1392560;1454338380;mircea_popescu;+#define SWAR "WAR " 1392561;1454338380;mircea_popescu;+#define SINF "INF " 1392562;1454338380;mircea_popescu;+ 1392563;1454338381;mircea_popescu;+#define SPRC "PRC " 1392564;1454338383;mircea_popescu;+#define SMEM "MEM " 1392565;1454338385;mircea_popescu;+#define SADR "ADR " 1392566;1454338387;mircea_popescu;+#define SBLK "BLK " 1392567;1454338389;mircea_popescu;+#define SNET "NET " 1392568;1454338391;mircea_popescu;+#define SWAL "WAL " 1392569;1454338393;mircea_popescu;+#define SMIN "MIN " 1392570;1454338395;mircea_popescu;any idea what these are ? how they were selected ? etc ? 1392571;1454338410;mircea_popescu;phf lemme see what i have. 1392572;1454338421;phf;mircea_popescu: just point whatever you have to that ip, and i'll fix the settings to get it working 1392573;1454338442;mircea_popescu;you have a ns ? 1392574;1454338479;phf;no 1392575;1454338509;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: you mean how those macro strings are actually used? 1392576;1454338529;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you see this, but the way the flags are set impacts many people downstream. 1392577;1454338555;polarbeard;hows that? 1392578;1454338566;mircea_popescu;because if i want to search my logs ima have to use your flags. 1392579;1454338570;mircea_popescu;and they are MY logs. 1392580;1454338584;polarbeard;propose a change? 1392581;1454338612;mircea_popescu;well we're not there yet, so far just asking how you designed it / how you selected the list etc. 1392582;1454338650;polarbeard;oh, three chars were long enough to identify each label, while being short enough to not add many dead bytes to the log 1392583;1454338679;mircea_popescu;yes but which flags are used for which kind of messages, how we select the kinds, that sorta thing 1392584;1454338691;mircea_popescu;what's your rulebook to know what message goes in which flag ? 1392585;1454338707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109991 @ 0.00056288 = 61.9117 BTC [-] {4} 1392586;1454338740;polarbeard;ok, that requires some explanation, you're right 1392587;1454338751;mircea_popescu;it's an important point, must be documented well. 1392588;1454338792;polarbeard;priorities are clear? infos are totally harmless, warns alert about something actually done and errors alert about the impossibility to do something 1392589;1454338823;mircea_popescu;well at this level yes, but we'll see more once i actually go throuygh the list, rulebook in hand. 1392590;1454338829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86569 @ 0.00056138 = 48.5981 BTC [-] 1392591;1454338974;mircea_popescu;phf how about btcbase.org ? 1392592;1454338996;polarbeard;ok, PRC is about the process (there is only a few msgs about that one), MEM is the mempool (IO and verification), ADR is the address index, BLK is about the block index (IO and verification), NET is about all the p2p traffic, WAL is about the wallet, MIN is about the miner process 1392593;1454339085;phf;that works 1392594;1454339106;mircea_popescu;now lemme see how the fuck i get this ns'd. 1392595;1454339151;mircea_popescu;phf set up an A record, should do the trick, hopefully. 1392596;1454339536;mircea_popescu;polarbeard i see. 1392597;1454339588;mircea_popescu;and these are prefixed by I W or A for info warn or alert ? 1392598;1454339620;mircea_popescu;waht is "SINF" by this logic ? 1392599;1454339634;polarbeard;SINF -> info, SWAR -> warn, SERR -> err 1392600;1454339644;polarbeard;*error 1392601;1454339737;mircea_popescu;i c! 1392602;1454339783;mircea_popescu;anyway, as a general comment : next time start the whole process by designing this. it's a great spot to start! 1392603;1454339884;polarbeard;yes, I need to get used to document stuff, I'll submit as much as I can to the ml if it passes 1392604;1454340112;BingoBoingo;Another forking Hearnia https://archive.is/4uV4m 1392605;1454340114;assbot;Current Bitcoin XT contains a network splitting bug. Rather than behaving responsibly, the maintainers of BitcoinXT are smearing the developers of Bitcoin Core (whom had nothing to do with their bug). : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxDYQC ) 1392606;1454340308;mircea_popescu;seems like they hired solidcoin to do their strategy. 1392607;1454340316;mircea_popescu;anyone recall that 2012 brand of lolz ? 1392608;1454340319;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Nice new trilema article. 1392609;1454340338;mircea_popescu;you can now tell all your sm friends lol. 1392610;1454340363;BingoBoingo;I came in in time to do a pretty fresh forensics on that lol 1392611;1454340412;thestringpuller;The r/btc will eat it up "If we include this change we may get a blocksize increase yay!!!!1111" 1392612;1454340433;BingoBoingo;SolidCoin History: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/26/cycles-repeat-themselves-mcxnow/ 1392613;1454340434;assbot;Cycles Repeat Themselves: McxNow | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxFjH7 ) 1392614;1454340443;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha! 1392615;1454340474;mircea_popescu;polarbeard aite. ima slog through this, mind you that it's 2k lines will take hours. 1392616;1454340594;mircea_popescu;!up Tasoshi 1392617;1454340715;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: totally understandable, I wanted to split that ones in two steps: first adding labels and then modifying the messages, but that would have ended in having 4k lines :) 1392618;1454340731;mircea_popescu;no it's right as it is. 1392619;1454340736;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm doing it. 1392620;1454340748;mircea_popescu;polarbeard http://104.131.72.249/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-8295.32-8295.60 < plox no ' in loglines so people don't have to escape the shit out of parsing. 1392621;1454340750;assbot;polarbeard_better_log_messages ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxGpTs ) 1392622;1454340766;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1392623;1454340823;thestringpuller;how's the labor camp? 1392624;1454340831;mircea_popescu;phf http://www.intodns.com/btcbase.org and btw, did i say how much i like the blue and red and shit ? 1392625;1454340832;assbot;intoDNS: btcbase.org - check DNS server and mail server health ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxGMNP ) 1392626;1454340842;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: mmm for me the ranges in that site don't work, which line is it? 1392627;1454340850;mircea_popescu;oh. 1392628;1454340858;mircea_popescu;+ printf(SERR SBLK "can't create database file %s\n", strFileRes.c_str()); 1392629;1454340865;Tasoshi;So Satoshi's great test to determine whether bitcoin can operate through decentralised consensus is now on. mircea_popescu, I have been looking at some old posts and it seemed that in 2013 you agreed with Satoshi and his vision. What exactly did you learn in 2013 to turn yourself against Satoshi's vision itself? 1392630;1454340879;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? 1392631;1454340898;Tasoshi;I am sure you know your own history better than I 1392632;1454340912;mircea_popescu;fine, if you must. "meanwhile i read the code". 1392633;1454340914;mircea_popescu;what fucking vision. 1392634;1454340932;punkman;mircea_popescu: re:sha3-digest, here's one idea, asic miners can get around recalculating the digest on every hash by changing the merkle-root/timestamp instead of the nonce 1392635;1454340941;Tasoshi;to scale on chain so as to give the security and privacy of onchain transactions to all 1392636;1454340944;mircea_popescu;punkman quite, yes. this is deliberate. 1392637;1454340952;mircea_popescu;won't be too easy tho, asic needs EVEN MORE ram that way. 1392638;1454340960;mircea_popescu;(miners currently use this incidentally, to some degree) 1392639;1454340962;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: Seriously give the Bitcoin code a read. Version 0.3.21, 0.5.4, 0.7.2, and 0.8 are all essential reading 1392640;1454340975;punkman;why even more ram? 1392641;1454340982;thestringpuller;0.8 is so crufty 1392642;1454340984;Tasoshi;I am enquiring what exactly changed your opinion in 2013? 1392643;1454340996;Tasoshi;is one propaganta video sufficient to turn you all against the genius of satoshi? 1392644;1454340997;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Which is why It's on the reading list 1392645;1454341011;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392455 << still monstrous 1392646;1454341011;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 13:23:16; polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here is the logging patch split up in three: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/ccf92c5f83753a03370a, https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/38b7835cb5f7863d4547 and https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/621f39b7cf21d736400e 1392647;1454341011;BingoBoingo;Oh MP watched a video without penises? 1392648;1454341013;thestringpuller;yup. look at what the power rangers have done! 1392649;1454341024;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yes but now necessarily monstruous 1392650;1454341037;thestringpuller;!gettrust Tasoshi 1392651;1454341037;assbot;Tasoshi is not registered in WoT. 1392652;1454341046;mircea_popescu;polarbeard incidentally, did you leave any nude returns ? 1392653;1454341049;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392467 << holy shit, incitatus has been running with a full disk and 0 maintenance for months 1392654;1454341049;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 13:48:58; PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/81b25113-e9e7-485d-995a-b13e790305ae/?raw=true << so I just restarted bitcoind, using -connect to all the trb nodes in the wiki, it looks like only Inciatus is letting me connect, the rest are refusing my connection? 1392655;1454341066;mircea_popescu;full disk is best disk! 1392656;1454341081;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i disagree that the mega-turd that touches 10,000 lines is justified. 1392657;1454341082;Tasoshi;I mean, it is true isn't it mircea_popescu that you agreed with onchain scaling in 2013? But anyway looks like you guys are busy so I'll leave you to it. 1392658;1454341097;mircea_popescu;dude the fucking returns have to be fixed. 1392659;1454341102;mircea_popescu;there's no way around this. what would you do ? 1392660;1454341130;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392477 << obvious-idea is obvious!1111 1392661;1454341130;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 13:58:29; jurov: http://www.projectnatick.com/ m$ heard alf and going underwater 1392662;1454341140;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what returns 1392663;1454341154;mircea_popescu;- return error("BANNED peer issuing unknown inv type."); 1392664;1454341157;mircea_popescu;for instance. 1392665;1454341175;ascii_butugychag;what is wrong with these ? 1392666;1454341208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75572 @ 0.00056712 = 42.8584 BTC [+] 1392667;1454341233;mircea_popescu;it doesn't say WHO was banned 1392668;1454341234;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392496 << the sane upgrade path is TO THERMONUKE GNUDIFF and have turing-complete operation set! 1392669;1454341234;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 14:26:12; jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there a space for sane upgrade path? 1392670;1454341237;mircea_popescu;and flags would be nice 1392671;1454341238;Tasoshi;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1503470#msg1503470 1392672;1454341240;assbot;The MAX_BLOCK_SIZE fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxIuyL ) 1392673;1454341254;Tasoshi;what polluted your mind? 1392674;1454341279;PeterL;ascii_butugychag I think I was wrong, it is not inciatus to which I connected, looks like Dulap? 1392675;1454341290;mircea_popescu;Tasoshi looky, im sure you have nice intentions et all, but intentions don't matter. put some actual sweat into it. answer the original question, answer it well rather than flailing around. 1392676;1454341305;Tasoshi;what question 1392677;1454341305;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: that'd make more sense, dulap is my flagship 1392678;1454341325;Tasoshi;Why do you not tell me and all what corrupted your mind to make you turn against the genius of satoshi? 1392679;1454341330;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392518 << the 'poverty limit' is a crock of shit, many of the supposedly-'poor' live rent-free 1392680;1454341330;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 14:34:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392335 << poverty limit. ask the world bank :D 1392681;1454341434;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: Didn't you see there's a way to get MP to buy into a hard fork? http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ 1392682;1454341435;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q70TOa ) 1392683;1454341492;Tasoshi;You've been deceived by all sorts of scaremongering about abstract concept such as centralised decentralised whatever 1392684;1454341514;Tasoshi;if you do not think 51% will be honest, then sell your bitcoins..... 1392685;1454341518;PeterL;tasoshi, who are you? 1392686;1454341518;thestringpuller;Tasoshi: you are flailing about in a seizure like manner. 1392687;1454341527;Tasoshi;if you do, then why should you restrict access to all? 1392688;1454341540;Tasoshi;and turn this into a super centralised kyc aml settlement nonsense 1392689;1454341545;Tasoshi;and all it took is 1 video? 1392690;1454341593;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: What video 1392691;1454341593;thestringpuller;there will always be mr. spams 1392692;1454341627;Tasoshi;The propaganda video which is probably the only thing that convinced mr mircea_popescu 1392693;1454341644;PeterL;mircea_popescu watched a video? 1392694;1454341651;mircea_popescu;lmao what! 1392695;1454341684;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: You gotta specify the video 1392696;1454341696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00056712 = 12.4766 BTC [+] 1392697;1454341707;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: Is this the video? http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph558c08d45a454 1392698;1454341709;assbot;mommy handjob is step son - Pornhub.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxKmri ) 1392699;1454341718;Tasoshi;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I&feature=youtu.be 1392700;1454341719;assbot;Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxKqHk ) 1392701;1454341730;Tasoshi;it is amazing how professional that video is for 2013 1392702;1454341730;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1392703;1454341746;Tasoshi;as you all remember, all videos about bitcoin were super amateur back then 1392704;1454341750;Tasoshi;except for this one..... 1392705;1454341755;Tasoshi;and you all fell for it 1392706;1454341769;jurov;Tasoshi nonsense. I personally was convinced by stuff like this: https://bitbet.us/bet/302/bitcoin-standardized-protocol-approved-this-summer/ 1392707;1454341769;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin Standardized Protocol Approved this Summer :: 2.7 B (24%) on Yes, 8.72 B (76%) on No | closed 2 years 5 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxKBCL ) 1392708;1454341773;BingoBoingo;Tasoshi: My browser doesn't play yourtube videos 1392709;1454341812;jurov;i.e. devteam just rushing to enhance and extend without putting things on stable footing 1392710;1454341824;jurov;and you know what comes after embrace and extend 1392711;1454341951;mircea_popescu;polarbeard mno, this is no good, it doesn;t solve the naked return problem. for instance (all from bitcoinrpc.cpp) : return error; at line 44 ; return "bitcoin server stopping"; line 162 sorta thing. 1392712;1454341963;Tasoshi;what I find surprising is that the propaganda video has any persuasive power when it visually shows its settlement system as being very centralised - that is many people connecting to 1 hub/bank... 1392713;1454341982;mircea_popescu;not to mention assorted garbage like throw runtime_error() 1392714;1454341989;mircea_popescu;and my god, the return ret; stuff already 1392715;1454342000;mircea_popescu;!down Tasoshi 1392716;1454342022;mircea_popescu;they ran out of reddit or something ? 1392717;1454342061;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what's your objection to throw runtime_error ? 1392718;1454342073;BingoBoingo;Prolly ran out of reddit 1392719;1454342105;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i didn't object to it in principle, but it's also not covered by the new logging model. 1392720;1454342114;mircea_popescu;i do object to return ret; in principle. 1392721;1454342118;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: I didn't know it was expected to solve it, but ok, I see this patch is consuming too much time from everybody... 1392722;1454342159;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what new logging model 1392723;1454342161;mircea_popescu;polarbeard i dunno that it was expected to either. prolly isn't, really. just, bitcoin code is too layered, random and messy. 1392724;1454342205;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag lemme summarize this for you. bitcoin eminently keeps shitty logs. a new guy came in and undertood the monstrous task of trying to fix that. 1392725;1454342229;mircea_popescu;this has on one side exposed a lot of the underlying grime, and on the other side is bugging your centralist mind because you don't want to read thousands of lines of patchwork. 1392726;1454342238;polarbeard;to be honest, I see this thing going forward if I don't have to generate a new patch again 1392727;1454342243;mircea_popescu;nevertheless : the grime's still there, and bitcoin would do a lot better with a better logging system 1392728;1454342260;ascii_butugychag;the ~original~ grime is only cleanable at tremendous cost. 1392729;1454342262;polarbeard;so if I can add another patch on top of these I will keep working on it but I'm tired of rediffing... 1392730;1454342267;ascii_butugychag;and really oughta be lisped. 1392731;1454342271;mircea_popescu;polarbeard aha. 1392732;1454342281;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yeah well. 1392733;1454342288;ascii_butugychag;shiva hooks on everything, and programmable log mechanism in ~that~. 1392734;1454342301;mircea_popescu;understand : you can't prevent people from working nor should you try. 1392735;1454342320;ascii_butugychag;i in particular can't prevent anybody from doing anything. 1392736;1454342339;ascii_butugychag;but will pronounce - 'this is braindamaged and i will not sign.' 1392737;1454342340;ascii_butugychag;fwiw. 1392738;1454342359;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - can, obviously, do what they like. 1392739;1454342371;mircea_popescu;well the v is well designed to be forgiving and helpful. 1392740;1454342395;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, i'm taking the time from my days of orgies and icecream to read this thing. 1392741;1454342401;ascii_butugychag;briefly, unrelatedly, mircea_popescu 'the keccak function takes unlimited input' << what ?! 1392742;1454342402;phf;can imagine future where ascii big trb senator is forced by opposition forces to sign, "i will not siiiign" 1392743;1454342423;mircea_popescu;hehehe. thanks god we are better than that stupid shit. 1392744;1454342429;mircea_popescu;"FOR SIIIIGNLET!!!!" 1392745;1454342441;ascii_butugychag;l0l!z 1392746;1454342459;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it's my recollection you can apply it on an endless pile of data, neh ? 1392747;1454342460;ascii_butugychag;also keccak has same problem as predecessor, silicon will be baked, we get mining cartels again. 1392748;1454342469;mircea_popescu;you gotta read carefully. 1392749;1454342471;mircea_popescu;CAREFULLY. 1392750;1454342471;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: you can apply ~any~ hash to endless pile 1392751;1454342477;*;ascii_butugychag goes, reads, again 1392752;1454342672;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1392753;1454342720;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i still don't grasp the 'technological reasons' from footnote v 1392754;1454342775;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag is asic going to store the whole chain ? 1392755;1454342796;ascii_butugychag;it can be in a drive. 1392756;1454342810;mircea_popescu;can that drive seek 300k specific bytes on demand ? 1392757;1454342828;mircea_popescu;if you have a drive that seeks and also updates, why not have a cpu ? 1392758;1454342851;mircea_popescu;the only reason asics exist is because sha256 you can do by hand on paper. 1392759;1454342872;ascii_butugychag;i also vaguely recall ^this aspect being appealing to mircea_popescu ? 1392760;1454342877;ascii_butugychag;(slavecoin!) 1392761;1454342880;mircea_popescu;yes there's some economy of scale to be had with well designed flash banks, made each the size of a block etc. 1392762;1454342893;mircea_popescu;but that also means block size gets BAKED IN SILICONE 1392763;1454342901;mircea_popescu;so whatever new value we agree upon, it's fixed. 1392764;1454342906;ascii_butugychag;might bring exotical like holo storage out of the circus and into actual production 1392765;1454342910;ascii_butugychag;*exotica 1392766;1454342912;mircea_popescu;aha. 1392767;1454342923;mircea_popescu;obviously there's no insurance against future technology. 1392768;1454342929;punkman;why not 1tb of ram? 1392769;1454342935;ascii_butugychag;and how is block size any more fixed in the proposed scheme than in the old ? 1392770;1454342940;mircea_popescu;but on the basis of what we currently known, a strict coupling there (4 or less bits of shift) is untractable 1392771;1454342942;ascii_butugychag;in either case, if changed - fork 1392772;1454342962;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag different incentives. as it is now, changing the size doesn't automatically brick all miners. 1392773;1454342966;ascii_butugychag;and i can easily go buy 1tb of ram whenever, as can anybody 1392774;1454342977;mircea_popescu;this is an oversight. they want a change, fine, but they must fully commit to it. 1392775;1454342993;mircea_popescu;1tb of ram will be overwhelmed by 20mb blocks in a few years. 1392776;1454343008;mircea_popescu;moreover, you still need all the accesses. 1392777;1454343022;mircea_popescu;the ~only way to do this in silicone is to make blocksized banks and line them up. 1392778;1454343030;mircea_popescu;this will be done eventually, as the article says. but not without its costs. 1392779;1454343122;punkman;mutating the merkle root just needs some sha256 hashing though 1392780;1454343132;mircea_popescu;sure. 1392781;1454343136;mircea_popescu;but is also finite. 1392782;1454343140;punkman;is not 1392783;1454343147;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1392784;1454343221;ascii_butugychag;20mb blocks?! 1392785;1454343226;punkman;you just put the nonce in coinbase, isn't it equivalent to mutating the actual nonce? 1392786;1454343247;ascii_butugychag;and what is so great about miners == nodes ? 1392787;1454343251;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201601.txt.asc 1392788;1454343252;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxQAXW ) 1392789;1454343256;ascii_butugychag;recipe for remaking swift ? 1392790;1454343258;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1392791;1454343258;mircea_popescu;punkman yes, up until people start rejecting nonstandard blocks. 1392792;1454343271;ascii_butugychag;where there are a dozen nodes, forever. 1392793;1454343279;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what do you mean ? 1392794;1454343281;punkman;you can encode that nonce in standard coinbase outputs 1392795;1454343285;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: centralization 1392796;1454343292;mircea_popescu;punkman yes, but costs money and takes time. 1392797;1454343302;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag can you be explicit for crying out loud. 1392798;1454343304;ascii_butugychag;right now we have gangrene in one leg. what is an improvement about having ~two~ ? 1392799;1454343305;mircea_popescu;what's a word gonna do. 1392800;1454343341;punkman;mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude cheaper than recalculating nonce+digest 1392801;1454343341;ascii_butugychag;requiring elaborate hardware to mine adds to, rather than takes away from, centralization. 1392802;1454343350;jurov;trinque: deedbot.org says "Last updated 2016-01-27" 1392803;1454343363;ascii_butugychag;and the ssd cartel is cackling as we speak, reading this 1392804;1454343370;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag this is a general principle that works generally. 1392805;1454343374;ascii_butugychag;suddenly ssd is plutonium. 1392806;1454343379;ascii_butugychag;fuck that 1392807;1454343394;mircea_popescu;ssd is A LOT easier to make than fucking asics. 1392808;1454343401;ascii_butugychag;mno. 1392809;1454343415;ascii_butugychag;this is demonstrably untrue. 1392810;1454343428;ascii_butugychag;'btc asic' is really 1980s-level vlsi. 1392811;1454343434;mircea_popescu;punkman not really. for one thing, now it's finite. 1392812;1454343443;mircea_popescu;that's no demonstration of anything. 1392813;1454343469;ascii_butugychag;and south kr, usg muppet, owns ~100% of ssd fabrication. 1392814;1454343476;ascii_butugychag;thinkaboutit 1392815;1454343486;ascii_butugychag;they have a stranglehold 1392816;1454343518;mircea_popescu;this is like saying russia makes all mop buckets and so they have a stranglehold. 1392817;1454343528;mircea_popescu;and ukrainian whores have a stranglehold on german streetwalking. 1392818;1454343533;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm sure they do. why ? 1392819;1454343542;ascii_butugychag;realize that cn would profit tremendously from making own ssd 1392820;1454343545;ascii_butugychag;and still has not. 1392821;1454343546;mircea_popescu;because it's the easiest thing to do and they're entry level. 1392822;1454343552;ascii_butugychag;because it is not a fucking mop bucket 1392823;1454343558;mircea_popescu;heh. 1392824;1454343565;ascii_butugychag;it is something that ONE country has any kind of reasonable tooling to make. 1392825;1454343566;trinque;jurov: btcd is choking on the transaction representing felipelalli's deed; I've been looking at it 1392826;1454343574;mircea_popescu;anyway. this adds the "need chinese foundries" to "need sk sdd" for maximal ,ulz. 1392827;1454343592;trinque;perhaps it is a matter of the key generated being invalid, though I would've expected the bits I'm using for pubkey/address generation to barf at that, and didn't 1392828;1454343608;mircea_popescu;trinque maybe it's high s :D 1392829;1454343614;trinque;meanwhile the trb node is now at 383k, thanks to new SSD 1392830;1454343623;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: why not, while you're at it, premine 100% of the coins and just hand them to seoul. 1392831;1454343629;ascii_butugychag;same effect. 1392832;1454343637;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag anyway, the only thign this does is that if implemented, you could alter dulap code slightly and produce usable digest blocks for sale to pay for the node. 1392833;1454343652;ascii_butugychag;for sale to whom ? 1392834;1454343655;mircea_popescu;miners. 1392835;1454343655;ascii_butugychag;who wants this, for what ? 1392836;1454343671;mircea_popescu;miners need to know that nonces x to x' are ok to mine with digest Z 1392837;1454343686;mircea_popescu;and you have a cpu and a hdd, and can just produce this information. 1392838;1454343691;ascii_butugychag;i think i have a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as a nanometre. 1392839;1454343707;mircea_popescu;and it'll be way the fuck cheaper for them to buy it from you than for them to bake a cpu and hdd into the 80s era vlsi. 1392840;1454343717;ascii_butugychag;why would anyone value this, for anything ? 1392841;1454343725;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reason. 1392842;1454343730;mircea_popescu;it heals the node-miner breach. 1392843;1454343796;ascii_butugychag;i get that miners without nodes are retarded, but that is easily fixed just by requiring whole-block hash in the nonce rather than the idiot header system 1392844;1454343804;ascii_butugychag;and nukes pools, at the same time 1392845;1454343815;mircea_popescu;(they way this is likely going to be asic'd is by keeping rainbow tables, and just adding octets. nevertheless - this STILL requires the whole chain be preserved. even if in a diff format) 1392846;1454343824;ascii_butugychag;what i don't get is what desirable thing the workfunction change accomplishes 1392847;1454343836;mircea_popescu;how is this a workfunction change ? 1392848;1454343849;ascii_butugychag;attempt at 'i/o-hard' workfunction 1392849;1454343855;mircea_popescu;i mean. how is this more or different of a workfunction change. 1392850;1454343867;mircea_popescu;nah, it's just making sure people actually have the chain. all of it. 1392851;1454343892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38023 @ 0.00056506 = 21.4853 BTC [-] {2} 1392852;1454343892;ascii_butugychag;that much i can see, is a desirable thing 1392853;1454343901;punkman;would you have to recalculate the digest to verify any incoming blocks as a node? 1392854;1454343904;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ether Huffing Reddit Spam Persists - http://qntra.net/2016/02/ether-huffing-reddit-spam-persists/ 1392855;1454343927;mircea_popescu;punkman probably. unless you keep a table of historical chain by nonces. 1392856;1454344023;mircea_popescu;with an unshifted nonce, this is ~impossible, of course, you're not keeping maxint times 200kb+ entries. 1392857;1454344039;BingoBoingo;punkman: Why haven't you submitted a writeup on the Liberty Reserve thing yet? 1392858;1454344114;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag anyway, if the nice folks of whatever wish to change bitcoin more in the sense of, full block hash not headers, i wouldn't automatically reject it. i described a point which must be included, but i also said its details are open to discussion. 1392859;1454344120;mircea_popescu;as long as that delivers this, i see no problem. 1392860;1454344134;punkman;BingoBoingo: dunno, wasn't that interesting in retrospect 1392861;1454344152;ascii_butugychag;i'm not convinced that it is possible for mircea_popescu and the secret cabal of the smallint other mircea_popescus to actually get off the bitcoin bus without perma-crashing the universe 1392862;1454344177;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not the one proposing change. 1392863;1454344197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77400 @ 0.00056428 = 43.6753 BTC [-] {3} 1392864;1454344230;mircea_popescu;the observation that "you can't have any change until you clean up your room" shouldn't really be all that controversial. 1392865;1454344241;punkman;mircea_popescu: what is a shifted nonce? 1392866;1454344251;mircea_popescu;adolescentine fits re "but bucket of water could cause flood and rubbing things together starts fires so i shouldn't have to sweep" notwithstanding. 1392867;1454344252;ascii_butugychag;and 'cleaned room' really means 0 cpp. 1392868;1454344264;ascii_butugychag;this, i also have trouble seeing how it could be controversial. 1392869;1454344268;mircea_popescu;punkman http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#selection-277.38-277.91 1392870;1454344269;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1m8jMbl ) 1392871;1454344271;mircea_popescu;does the selection work for you ? 1392872;1454344292;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i don't. nobody has learned anything else since 30 years ago. 1392873;1454344300;adlai;punkman: right-shifting the nonce bits by N to make the hashed data update every 2^N blocks 1392874;1454344304;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: you know full well that this is false. 1392875;1454344313;mircea_popescu;yes, but you also know what i mean. 1392876;1454344318;ascii_butugychag;cpp is braindamaged and is the reason why winblows is what it is. 1392877;1454344326;ascii_butugychag;c is braindamaged and is the reason unix is braindamaged. 1392878;1454344333;ascii_butugychag;see 1,001 old threadz... 1392879;1454344353;adlai;ascii_butugychag: what did you mean by "requiring whole-block hash in the nonce"? 1392880;1454344360;ascii_butugychag;at the root of both, is the fact that anything produced by 'coderz' is braindamaged. 1392881;1454344370;ascii_butugychag;adlai: it means no pools. ever. 1392882;1454344379;ascii_butugychag;anyone who mines has a full change of catching a block. 1392883;1454344382;ascii_butugychag;*chance 1392884;1454344383;ascii_butugychag;of 1392885;1454344385;mircea_popescu;man you're being very unhelpful here. 1392886;1454344392;mircea_popescu;wouldja simmer down and speak explicitly ? these are the logs! 1392887;1454344395;mircea_popescu;they last forever! 1392888;1454344398;adlai;i didn't ask what the implications are, or why, i'm asking what exactly your proposal is, implementation-wise 1392889;1454344410;ascii_butugychag;adlai: are you familiar with how mining presently works ? 1392890;1454344419;ascii_butugychag;and why pools are possible ? 1392891;1454344419;*;adlai has not build his own ASICs 1392892;1454344421;adlai;yes. 1392893;1454344428;mircea_popescu;still nhot explicit. 1392894;1454344452;mircea_popescu;"do you know that currently, all a miner needs is to know the header of the previous block to mine" "yes" 1392895;1454344484;punkman;not the previous block 1392896;1454344509;mircea_popescu;the wunderbar advantages of being explicit! others have something to talk to! 1392897;1454344511;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1392898;1454344564;ascii_butugychag;ok i see what mircea_popescu meant 1392899;1454344568;adlai;i just want to understand what ascii_butugychag suggested there, instead of each block header including the previous header's hash. i probably got thrown off by the word "nonce" leaking in there 1392900;1454344586;ascii_butugychag;!s non-outsourceable 1392901;1454344587;assbot;6 results for 'non-outsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=non-outsourceable 1392902;1454344604;ascii_butugychag;^ there is more than one way of accomplishing this effect 1392903;1454344617;mircea_popescu;see, i suspect ascii_butugychag this is the major contradiction here. your idea of safety is to make it non-outsourceable, but i suspect it'd be both better and safer to make it FAIRLY outsourceable. 1392904;1454344624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85750 @ 0.00056712 = 48.6305 BTC [+] 1392905;1454344627;ascii_butugychag;why? 1392906;1454344638;mircea_popescu;currently the problem appears to be "it being outsourceable", but really, the problem is that only blind outsourcing can be done. 1392907;1454344647;mircea_popescu;why. because that's how the whole world was built. and how it works when it works. 1392908;1454344661;ascii_butugychag;pools full of sheeple who can be steered, turned on a dime, are a Bad Thing 1392909;1454344662;punkman;ascii_butugychag: did you figure out how to "non-outsourceable"? 1392910;1454344666;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: dunno, wasn't that interesting in retrospect << As a general rule cases become far less interesting when pleas happen 1392911;1454344692;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yes but the solution is not to kill all the sheep. 1392912;1454344701;mircea_popescu;make a fair environment for them. if they die, fine. 1392913;1454344702;ascii_butugychag;why not ? 1392914;1454344718;mircea_popescu;cuz cheaper plus you get to date the hottest sheeps. 1392915;1454344783;ascii_butugychag;the more i think about it, the more it seems to me that mining is a catastrophic bug per se 1392916;1454344792;mircea_popescu;yes. but to quote a great man, 1392917;1454344796;mircea_popescu;so is the carnot cycle. 1392918;1454344805;ascii_butugychag;introduces exactly the wrong incentives, and empowers the folks you least want in the driver's seat 1392919;1454344824;ascii_butugychag;it remains to be shown that, like carnot cycle, mining cannot be escaped from. 1392920;1454344830;mircea_popescu;fortunate that miners aren't in the driver's seat 1392921;1454344862;mircea_popescu;anyway. heaven is built atop hell also. been doing fine. 1392922;1454344890;mircea_popescu;i have no idea who makes their gaskets tho. 1392923;1454344901;ascii_butugychag;buna. 1392924;1454345478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00056138 = 11.2276 BTC [-] {2} 1392925;1454346027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19161 @ 0.00056123 = 10.7537 BTC [-] {3} 1392926;1454346088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49679 @ 0.00056064 = 27.852 BTC [-] 1392927;1454346380;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1392928;1454346576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.00056712 = 41.9669 BTC [+] 1392929;1454346623;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392909 <-- afaik the only ways are 1) require coinbase receiver's signature in block header 2) remove coinbase from PoW hashed header 1392930;1454346623;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 16:37:42; punkman: ascii_butugychag: did you figure out how to "non-outsourceable"? 1392931;1454347003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35959 @ 0.00056712 = 20.3931 BTC [+] {2} 1392932;1454347018;funkenstein_;number 2 being DOA of course :) 1392933;1454347064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84191 @ 0.00056761 = 47.7877 BTC [+] {4} 1392934;1454348373;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1392935;1454348955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00056258 = 29.2823 BTC [-] 1392936;1454349260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81826 @ 0.00056718 = 46.4101 BTC [+] {2} 1392937;1454349421;ben_vulpes;nifty altcoin 1392938;1454349529;ben_vulpes;latest and greatest in anti-drone technology: https://twitter.com/CostaSamaras/status/694204062695342080 1392939;1454350149;ascii_butugychag;the measures against toy choppers is 100% 'majesty of the might of the state' crapolade theatre 1392940;1454350189;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1392941;1454350319;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ <-- afaik the only ways are 1) require coinbase receiver's signature in block header << this is rank nonsense. i'm not signing to receive bitcoin. 1392942;1454350346;mircea_popescu;yes usg loves to present "fixes" of this nature. the odds of them making it in are about the same as the odds of obama being smart. 1392943;1454350496;ascii_butugychag;wouldn't it be a sign from a fresh address at any rate ? 1392944;1454350501;ascii_butugychag;how would this help hitler ? 1392945;1454350724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85164 @ 0.00056197 = 47.8596 BTC [-] {4} 1392946;1454351041;shinohai;https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/ce2a03a459cc8bac45c8c8c09ab97ef441bdc089 <<< this will end well 1392947;1454351043;assbot;Switch to Fortuna-based PRNG · sipa/bitcoin@ce2a03a · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1So1ly2 ) 1392948;1454351061;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1392949;1454351068;mircea_popescu;so blockstream really is running out of cash huh. 1392950;1454351097;ascii_butugychag;and holy shit are their patches massive 1392951;1454351115;mircea_popescu;+/** Add entropy to the pool directly. Use this for seeding or on-demand entropy. */ 1392952;1454351119;mircea_popescu;my fave part. 1392953;1454351140;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you've lived a sheltered lyf alfie :D 1392954;1454351224;ascii_butugychag;wut 1392955;1454351231;jurov;btw kto si chce zarobit bitcenty hranim: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/28/foxys-musings-on-click-slaves-vs-apprentices-and-their-choices/ 1392956;1454351232;assbot;Foxy’s Musings on Click-Slaves vs Apprentices and Their Choices in Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PMI2aK ) 1392957;1454351268;jurov;eulora je trochu ako randomizovany eve online :D 1392958;1454351281;ascii_butugychag;in other nyooz, turns out that golden-age opterons (just the chip) can be had for their weight in mere gold on 'ebay' 1392959;1454351287;ascii_butugychag;by the crate. 1392960;1454351310;ascii_butugychag;(anyone other than me cares?) 1392961;1454351318;mircea_popescu;"all 1 comments - sorted by: best there doesn't seem to be anything here" << lol reddit. 1392962;1454351333;jurov;ups wrong chan :D 1392963;1454351339;mircea_popescu;jurov i could read that! 1392964;1454351360;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag ~100 or so no ? 1392965;1454351362;ascii_butugychag;aha same 1392966;1454351368;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: and below 1392967;1454351374;ascii_butugychag;depending on grade 1392968;1454351381;mircea_popescu;yea 1392969;1454351426;mircea_popescu;kinda what they always cost, in nominal terms 1392970;1454351429;mircea_popescu;course inflation... 1392971;1454351466;kakobrekla;which are the golde age ones according to alf? 1392972;1454351591;ascii_butugychag;kakobrekla: pre-usgtronic-alwayson slave core 1392973;1454351605;ascii_butugychag;through late 2011 or so. 1392974;1454351623;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: they sold for $2-3K usd new 1392975;1454351717;mircea_popescu;aha 1392976;1454351772;ascii_butugychag;so what means '100 is what they always cost' ? 1392977;1454351774;ascii_butugychag;to produce ? 1392978;1454353103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67940 @ 0.00056628 = 38.4731 BTC [+] 1392979;1454353232;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1392980;1454353269;mod6;hey ascii_butugychag, so i figured out what my dumbass did yesterday. somehow, when looking at your fix patch - I missed the portion where you changed main.cpp altogether. 1392981;1454353284;mod6;probably was just going to fast. 1392982;1454353380;mod6;anyway, i created a new patch for PVS and did a regrind on malleus (since this one depends on main.cpp) 1392983;1454353396;mod6;compiled just fine, just kicked it off for a quick test... 1392984;1454353517;mod6;# ps aux | grep bitcoind && LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin getinfo | grep version 1392985;1454353524;mod6;root 31936 32.1 37.8 1741912 1453164 pts/7 SLl 19:01 0:55 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=188.68.240.159 -setverstring=trb -setvernum=99998 -lows 1392986;1454353532;mod6;root 31948 0.0 0.0 8924 708 pts/7 S+ 19:04 0:00 grep --colour=auto bitcoind 1392987;1454353540;mod6;"version" : 99998, 1392988;1454353565;mod6;so that looks like its doing the right thing, and the log was updated as well. 1392989;1454353594;phf;ok, so http://btcbase.org/patches/ 1392990;1454353595;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km0rix ) 1392991;1454353598;phf;mircea_popescu: ^ 1392992;1454353639;phf;which kind of broke the previous ip only links, i might fix that at some point 1392993;1454353647;polarbeard;neato 1392994;1454353697;phf;there's a bug of some sort, pretty sure your polarbeard_better_log_messages shouldn't press from asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected, i'll look into it tonight 1392995;1454353713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00056126 = 37.3799 BTC [-] {2} 1392996;1454353761;mod6;ascii_butugychag: take a look at these and let me know what you think, plz: http://dpaste.com/0P9PR2S.txt && http://dpaste.com/2SV1RKB.txt 1392997;1454353762;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km0M4F ) 1392998;1454353763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km0NFT ) 1392999;1454353763;polarbeard;I think it's correct though, 565faf3ef371f5e2178ae30c45b08b93415eeb92263486e68f2ac2e8f4c7900056e628804bf5c0707a90be946e0aeaebfcd0a391aab40de2e5d56e6bcbdccb1e bitcoin/src/db.cpp 1393000;1454353847;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1393001;1454353968;mod6;i must be stale ascii_butugychag 1393002;1454353973;mod6;someone up ascii_butugychag 1393003;1454353981;mod6;plzkthx 1393004;1454353985;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1393005;1454353993;mod6;thanks trinque 1393006;1454353995;trinque;yw 1393007;1454354011;phf;polarbeard: it's not correct, since the graph is supposed to only show transitions, rather then descendants/antecedents. in this case polarbeard_better_log_messages touches util.h and util.cpp that are modified in polarbeard_remove_shrink_debug_file 1393008;1454354014;ascii_butugychag;ty trinque. mod6: it looks fine 1393009;1454354034;ascii_butugychag;i still think regrinds are a thing to be avoided whenever possible, but whatever 1393010;1454354058;phf;in other words there might be an antecedent, but there's also other hunks in that file that should've prevented the linkage 1393011;1454354079;ascii_butugychag;phf: your viewer is mighty spiffy, it is exactly what i wanted to make in september (and never had time) 1393012;1454354100;ascii_butugychag;if it were given a place to pump in patches, we could finally give turdatron a proper burial 1393013;1454354143;mod6;ascii_butugychag: one fix every now and then isn't horrible or anything, id just hate to see the situation (like at usg-like job) where people create a turd, create a PR, and then have to keep chainging the PR until "ready" 1393014;1454354161;mod6;and a similar situation in V would be like 69 patches to patch the original patch. 1393015;1454354233;ascii_butugychag;mod6: i found myself blowing the very tiny time budget i had, on regrinding 1393016;1454354246;ascii_butugychag;and imho it is quite unnecessary 1393017;1454354259;ascii_butugychag;and now, e.g., shiva is hosed, imho needlessly, and will have to be reground 1393018;1454354262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82200 @ 0.00056125 = 46.1348 BTC [-] {2} 1393019;1454354266;ascii_butugychag;instead of my being able to add something useful to it 1393020;1454354277;polarbeard;phf: I don't follow, db.cpp is what generates that relationship 1393021;1454354295;ascii_butugychag;it is my considered judgement that maintaining the illusion of 'we got it right the first time' is a pointless thing. 1393022;1454354609;phf;ascii_butugychag: thanks! 1393023;1454354625;phf;polarbeard: you can't press polarbeard_better_log_messages directly on top of asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected period. so the ~transition~ makes no sense 1393024;1454354644;phf;there needs to be some patches in between 1393025;1454354752;polarbeard;you can press the corresponding hunks, the graph is showing that 1393026;1454354958;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3... 1393027;1454354959;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1393028;1454354966;ascii_butugychag;*adopting 1393029;1454355116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87439 @ 0.00056085 = 49.0402 BTC [-] {2} 1393030;1454355138;ascii_butugychag;oh, hm, adopted but mutilated ? 1393031;1454355241;ascii_butugychag;http://www.lshift.net/blog/2013/10/01/why-i-support-the-us-government-making-a-cryptography-standard-weaker << vintage lulz 1393032;1454355242;assbot;LShift - Why I support the US Government making a cryptography standard weaker ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km3M0U ) 1393033;1454355674;ascii_butugychag;ServerMode/#bitcoin-assets [+v ben_vulpes] by adams.freenode.net << wat?! 1393034;1454355795;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1393035;1454355879;trinque;jurov: I got it to squirt your txn earlier, after finding where my db lost track of the blockchain. site will update when btcd catches up, in roughly 90blks 1393036;1454355936;trinque;still seeing something that knocks btcd into a stuck state 1393037;1454355961;trinque;trb node is at 384k; I will be switching to that with anti-heathen command patch very soon 1393038;1454355990;trinque;the same node was at 350k before I had the SSD installed, so we're gaining ground quickly. 1393039;1454356191;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell mircea_popescu your scheme (could call it... nodecoin?) finally clicked in my head. at last, an end to the cn pond scum !! 1393040;1454356192;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1393041;1454356336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21306 @ 0.00056683 = 12.0769 BTC [+] {3} 1393042;1454356497;thestringpuller;trinque: SSD speeds up block checking? I found I/O is very heavy with -verifyall 1393043;1454356519;trinque;the SSD has *massively* sped up the process, which doesn't surprise me 1393044;1454356524;trinque;and yeah, running with -verifyall 1393045;1454356556;thestringpuller;yea. System is at like 70% disk load when verifying blocks on sync. 1393046;1454356571;thestringpuller;Nuking the checkpoints is necessary tho. 1393047;1454356574;ascii_butugychag;imho spinning rust is a losing proposition for any node. 1393048;1454356587;hdbuck;hello 1393049;1454356602;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: Not all of us are rich like you and can afford toys :P 1393050;1454356610;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: l0l 1393051;1454356623;ascii_butugychag;what, can't afford to pay 2009 price per TB ? 1393052;1454356624;thestringpuller;When I get promoted to plutonimum mine from coal mine, maybe I'll buy SSDs. 1393053;1454356628;ascii_butugychag;did you not own a disk in '09 ? 1393054;1454356636;trinque;pff I'm paying 25/mo for a colo'd server with SSD 1393055;1454356654;trinque;old amd box 1393056;1454356662;thestringpuller;I upgrade computers slowly unless for vidya gamez. 1393057;1454356672;ascii_butugychag;hey i'm running a machine circa '07 1393058;1454356681;ascii_butugychag;about to upgrade cpus for the 1st time, with.... circa-'09 ones 1393059;1454356699;thestringpuller;My most powerful box runs i5 a 1.5 TB array. Best thing in the box is a 960 GTX 1393060;1454356717;thestringpuller;I've upgraded the GPU twice. 1393061;1454356746;thestringpuller;Stuck an extra stick of RAM in it based on notion from friend during last upgrade. more of "here is extra stick I have lying around" "oh cool" 1393062;1454356761;hdbuck;qntrable? >> Kaspersky / Interpol fun: http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/1733-kaspersky-lab-researcher-creates-virus-that-can-spread-through-the-blockchain 1393063;1454356763;assbot;Kaspersky Lab researcher creates virus that can spread through the blockchain | Coinfox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Km6tQd ) 1393064;1454356764;thestringpuller;So no, I don't buy storage often. I usually try to buy enough for 5 years at a time. 1393065;1454356870;ascii_butugychag;hdbuck: idiocy, beneath contempt 1393066;1454356898;hdbuck;alright 1393067;1454356914;ascii_butugychag;srsly think about it for 5 minutes. 1393068;1454356962;hdbuck;just was quite amused by the latest Kaspersky Interpol Forbes combo virus 1393069;1454356981;ascii_butugychag;so i put the string 'rm -rf /' in the blockchain, snore 1393070;1454356994;ascii_butugychag;if your box pipes it to bash and executes, that is a problem with you, not 'blockchain' 1393071;1454357007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112328 @ 0.00056738 = 63.7327 BTC [+] {4} 1393072;1454357054;ascii_butugychag;and if kaspersky really did sign off on this cheap p.t.barnumism, it really must be spent, for good. 1393073;1454357059;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: Got into argument with netsec team leader at work. 1393074;1454357121;thestringpuller;told him of cardano, and was like "well how are you going to trust cardano", to which I replied with the parable of soldier maintaining own AK-47 1393075;1454357136;thestringpuller;and for some reason didn't understand... 1393076;1454357171;ascii_butugychag;next time try & have the argument with a literate man, who can grasp how, e.g., flashlight works 1393077;1454357209;ascii_butugychag;having it with somebody who understands nothing of how his civilization is put together, to whom flashlight, pc, boeing, are equally magical - is a snore. 1393078;1454357250;thestringpuller;yes, but these people get put in charge of sekuriteee and it makes me wonder "how?" 1393079;1454357275;thestringpuller;"Do you not understand how a web of trust functions, or why?" 1393080;1454357286;thestringpuller;Isn't this fundamental to achieving some sort of ~actual~ security? 1393081;1454357321;ascii_butugychag;the trick here is that the proposition that you could actually understand a device that you own, is a hard sell to a great many folks 1393082;1454357356;thestringpuller;those folks usually would accidentally drink rat poison if it was "accidentally" labeled wine 1393083;1454357367;thestringpuller;since they don't like to read. 1393084;1454357385;ascii_butugychag;and folks who cannot, or will not, attempt said understanding, will have to find themselves a priest, yes. 1393085;1454357408;thestringpuller;trust the priest until he diddles your son during sunday school? 1393086;1454357413;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1393087;1454357415;shinohai;^ 1393088;1454357446;ascii_butugychag;let's put it this way, they have priests already, and the latter are spinning the flock on their cocks like propellers. 1393089;1454357482;ascii_butugychag;and ~nobody seems to mind. 1393090;1454357557;thestringpuller;reminds of allegory of the cave. if all you know is being priest cock, why would you think something else exist. 1393091;1454357574;thestringpuller;being on* 1393092;1454357625;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1393093;1454357626;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1393094;1454357675;thestringpuller;the rule of thumb "fits in head" helps with the notion of owning device which when understood could "fit in head". 1393095;1454357719;thestringpuller;problem arises when people can barely fit 3 bits in head before wandering off. 1393096;1454357861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41889 @ 0.00056892 = 23.8315 BTC [+] {2} 1393097;1454358044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129400 @ 0.00056893 = 73.6195 BTC [+] 1393098;1454358601;BingoBoingo;Why Reddit values Obese fee-fees http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2016/obesity-diabetes-in-mom-increases-risk-of-autism-in-child.html 1393099;1454358606;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.psztorc.1:8fcb37e60bcff978a15dfbf1e566dc2508a68b74e12acec77bf899a37089e7cc 1393100;1454358606;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for psztorc with note: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2016-02-01/?msg=59154044&page=4 1393101;1454359361;BingoBoingo;!up trippysalmon 1393102;1454359419;deedbot-;[Qntra] Popescu Offers Condition For Accepting Future Hard Forks - http://qntra.net/2016/02/popescu-offers-condition-for-accepting-future-hard-forks/ 1393103;1454359437;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/43opc7/popescu_proposes_healing_the_minernode_division/ 1393104;1454359438;assbot;Popescu Proposes Healing the Miner/Node division : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PN45OD ) 1393105;1454359908;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1393106;1454359996;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: ' pledging to sink any hard fork proposal without making these changes' --> ... 'that does not include these changes' ? 1393107;1454360037;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: ty, fxd 1393108;1454360057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056893 = 32.2014 BTC [+] 1393109;1454360606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131081 @ 0.00056878 = 74.5563 BTC [-] 1393110;1454360895;BingoBoingo;!up schmidty 1393111;1454361056;schmidty;good to be here. still considering myself in purgatory given my lack of homework over the logs. i hope to some day join the ranks, still trying to frame it all up in my mind. 1393112;1454361130;mats;get a cloak. 1393113;1454361161;schmidty;has anyone ever aggregated the viewpoints here into a sort of dogma or similar for the new followers? 1393114;1454361184;PeterL;do we still have a ddosser on newbs/uncloaked? 1393115;1454361228;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW 1393116;1454361251;thestringpuller;//\/ 1393117;1454361364;*;jurov upgrading shit to win10, near the end it shows big banner "All your files are exactly where you left them". 1393118;1454361390;ascii_butugychag;wai wat 1393119;1454361392;jurov;O.o 1393120;1454361427;mircea_popescu;ahahah 1393121;1454361456;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag note that it's not my scheme not a coin nor anything. it's just a minimum bar. 1393122;1454361456;ascii_butugychag;jurov watcha doin' with winblowz? 1393123;1454361473;jurov;compiling eulora client? 1393124;1454361483;ascii_butugychag;jurov: ah! 1393125;1454361483;PeterL;schmidty there is the wiki, wiki.bitcoin-assets.com 1393126;1454361508;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i can see it. sorta 'shit test', anyone who proposes any fork which refuses it, has to answer for himself 1393127;1454361513;mircea_popescu;schmidty the idea is that you're supposed to press your own dogma so to speak. 1393128;1454361518;mircea_popescu;same way v works for bitcoin code 1393129;1454361589;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag exactly. a very minimal sort of thing. 1393130;1454361643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86100 @ 0.00056858 = 48.9547 BTC [-] {2} 1393131;1454361740;PeterL;!up schmidty 1393132;1454361765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00056893 = 36.6391 BTC [+] 1393133;1454361776;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116390 << incredibly enough everyone thinks this is a really original and interesting idea. 1393134;1454361777;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WYbhgA ) 1393135;1454361814;PeterL;well, "everyone" being the people commenting on your blog 1393136;1454361819;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1393137;1454361851;ascii_butugychag;i must agree with the rando commenter, i have nfi why anybody would 'buy from nodes' 1393138;1454361852;PeterL;people who want to do lightweight / trimmed blockchain would not like the proposal 1393139;1454361887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056893 = 7.965 BTC [+] 1393140;1454362012;PeterL;seems like it would be easier to run your own node for your minerfarm than to buy from other people? 1393141;1454362071;ascii_butugychag;aha, seems like a 'let's rent out space inside my nose' situation 1393142;1454362078;ascii_butugychag;(to borrow a mircea_popescuism) 1393143;1454362109;PeterL;I guess instead of having one pool doing block hashing, you would have two pools connected, one doing the block hashing and one doing the bitmap hashing? 1393144;1454362217;PeterL;pay-per-nonce? 1393145;1454362248;mircea_popescu;PeterL there's a selection of different people there but ok. 1393146;1454362262;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag then read my response :D 1393147;1454362278;mircea_popescu;or just graph the demand curve for digests in units of time delta block finds in your head and see. 1393148;1454362285;PeterL;so then people who have full nodes are the front half of the mining pool, and the back half remains about what it is now 1393149;1454362333;mircea_popescu;PeterL nobody who wants a bitcoin-without-the-bitcoin thing would like that proposal. that's fundamentally why it's there, to readily distinguish people seeking to help from people seeking to help us hang ourselves. 1393150;1454362385;mircea_popescu;anyway, the shifting decides that. if you make the shifting very low, mining as an activity seen today disappears altogether - the digest is much more expensive than the hashing. 1393151;1454362390;mircea_popescu;so you'll just mine on server farms. 1393152;1454362460;PeterL;is mining on server farms better than mining on asics? 1393153;1454362487;ascii_butugychag;actually i must disagree with one point - general-purpose, e.g., x86, cpu, is full of so much crud that asicization is economical and quite inevitable 1393154;1454362493;mircea_popescu;well... it is "closer to the origianl vision" at any rate. 1393155;1454362495;ascii_butugychag;nobody needs that tlb cache 1393156;1454362504;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag do you see the side benefit to this happening ? 1393157;1454362510;ascii_butugychag;nobody needs the idiot 'acceleration' opcodes 1393158;1454362511;ascii_butugychag;etc 1393159;1454362513;mircea_popescu;"everything seems ripe for the picking to the man with a good pickaxe" 1393160;1454362543;ascii_butugychag;just pointing out that 80-90% of an x86 die is there because winblowz, really 1393161;1454362555;ascii_butugychag;and helps not at all in actual computation. 1393162;1454362556;mircea_popescu;if that were to happen because we made it happen i'd be so happy. 1393163;1454362564;mircea_popescu;what, finally can buy a sane cpu because bitcoin miners ? 1393164;1454362568;mircea_popescu;yay bitcoin miners! 1393165;1454362570;ascii_butugychag;nah it won't be sane 1393166;1454362577;ascii_butugychag;it'll be like today's hash asic. 1393167;1454362582;ascii_butugychag;just with nand flash bus. 1393168;1454362591;mircea_popescu;step in right direction anyway. 1393169;1454362599;ascii_butugychag;i don't see how 1393170;1454362611;mircea_popescu;you don't see how it's a step or how it's the right direction ? 1393171;1454362617;ascii_butugychag;other than the basic fact of it being a caltrop against folks who want to 'lose' the blockchain, i mean 1393172;1454362625;ascii_butugychag;that part i get, and quite like 1393173;1454362630;ascii_butugychag;but in re: silicon specifically 1393174;1454362642;mircea_popescu;it will also be proof that in point of fact 80% of cpu could go away. 1393175;1454362643;mircea_popescu;this is valuable. 1393176;1454362663;ascii_butugychag;wouldn't prove anything re: 'it could go away' in re: ~workstation~ 1393177;1454362666;mircea_popescu;on that expertise, and more importantly on those suddenly opened eyes, more good stuff can be built. 1393178;1454362668;ascii_butugychag;any more than today's dsp proves it 1393179;1454362677;mircea_popescu;i believe differently. 1393180;1454362681;ascii_butugychag;what was build on the opened eyes of sha256 hash asic ? 1393181;1454362684;ascii_butugychag;*built 1393182;1454362686;mircea_popescu;this. 1393183;1454362691;*;mircea_popescu gestures around him. 1393184;1454362721;*;ascii_butugychag doesn't see it 1393185;1454362739;mircea_popescu;well... vision, what can i tell ya! 1393186;1454362748;ascii_butugychag;interestingly, i fully expected, from 2010 on, folks to gnaw on the leather straps of sha256 1393187;1454362753;ascii_butugychag;!s satcoin 1393188;1454362754;assbot;14 results for 'satcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=satcoin 1393189;1454362764;ascii_butugychag;pretty much ~didn't happen. 1393190;1454362786;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392513 << heh. gotta love teh bitbet dramas. who knew a hockey bet would be such popular fodder for "debate" ? i guess the odd sports bet ain't so bad after all, though very few of them attract 10btc+ of action like this one. 1393191;1454362786;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 14:32:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5602 I believe 1393192;1454362787;mircea_popescu;i bought 2 kgs of costa rican cofee. place now smells like the end of the fucking world. 1393193;1454362795;mircea_popescu;i've never had coffee this good, and i lived in fucking costa rica! 1393194;1454362798;felipelalli; how is a bitfield in the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of the key ? neither of these are time-able events. << well, thank you. 1393195;1454362819;felipelalli;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0019PDB.txt 1393196;1454362820;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQYRXa ) 1393197;1454362830;deedbot-;imported: 9E08524833CB3038FDE385C54C0AFCCFED5CDE14 1393198;1454362853;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: britt ? 1393199;1454362870;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1393200;1454362873;pete_dushenski;http://www.cafebritt.com/ 1393201;1454362875;assbot;Cafe Britt Gourmet Coffee, Chocolates, Nuts and Cookies ... ( http://bit.ly/1WYdbO4 ) 1393202;1454362876;ascii_butugychag;i know of no reason to suspect that anybody on the planet is mining with any method other than brute force. 1393203;1454362877;mircea_popescu;ah no. 1393204;1454362884;ascii_butugychag;which imho is surprising. 1393205;1454362885;ben_vulpes;quality coffee in bsas? 1393206;1454362887;mircea_popescu;it's a little place with no particular name down by the end of santa fe 1393207;1454362897;ascii_butugychag;(but then again it is possible to hide the elephant) 1393208;1454362900;ben_vulpes;goochness. 1393209;1454362905;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you ever end up in here again ima buy you a pound of this stuff :D 1393210;1454362915;*;ascii_butugychag salivates 1393211;1454362915;felipelalli; ;;later tell felipelalli ^^^ also >> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot#synopsis << Thank you danielpbarron - I was using in the wrong way. Now it works. 1393212;1454362916;assbot;irc_bots:deedbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RVey0C ) 1393213;1454362928;mircea_popescu;you too alfie 1393214;1454362931;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: and imma drink it! if i ever come back. 1393215;1454362957;ben_vulpes;at this rate the only time i'm going to come back is with a 5 yo and a 2 yo to escape election season 1393216;1454362959;mircea_popescu;actually now that macri murdered their black market, maybe the borders open and i can mail you some or some shit. 1393217;1454362961;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw/Bd3Qg7aW 1393218;1454362962;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQXFTR ) 1393219;1454362968;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1393220;1454362972;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: shall we try? anything you want from the states? 1393221;1454362980;danielpbarron;felipelalli, ... I already did that for you! 1393222;1454362991;ascii_butugychag;we got prime goatshit here 1393223;1454362996;ascii_butugychag;what else we got 1393224;1454362996;felipelalli;danielpbarron, thank you so much! 1393225;1454363002;danielpbarron;(it doesn't matter who actually submits the deed, as long as it's blessed with WoT sig) 1393226;1454363011;danielpbarron;now it's in there twice, but you're welcome 1393227;1454363013;felipelalli;danielpbarron, nice!! :) 1393228;1454363016;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes notrly, had lovage seeds courierred and that was the last thing. 1393229;1454363030;felipelalli;danielpbarron, Daniel is a very common name in Brazil. Are you Brazilian? 1393230;1454363046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91550 @ 0.00056925 = 52.1148 BTC [+] {4} 1393231;1454363051;danielpbarron;lol, it's from the Bible.. it's common everywhere. and no I'm born and raised in Connecticut 1393232;1454363068;felipelalli;danielpbarron, it makes sense! :D 1393233;1454363080;danielpbarron;not really, my parents are atheists 1393234;1454363082;felipelalli;But Felipe, for example, in some places are Philip, Filipe, Filippo etc. 1393235;1454363118;mircea_popescu;Filip, even. 1393236;1454363153;felipelalli;true! I saw Filipi already. 1393237;1454363174;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392518 << but you said "in the us" where dollars don't mean things and "citizens" are africans who "make" xxx`xxx but leave no more than x`xxx to their children. (eg. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-10-2015#1301882) so african africans pay $0.005/diaper and it's a wash. 1393238;1454363174;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 14:34:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392335 << poverty limit. ask the world bank :D 1393239;1454363174;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:37:35; asciilifeform: let's have a programmer, of some skill, no social net, no savings, pays 100K rent to make 120K in some godforsaken saltmine, in usa 1393240;1454363187;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i cheat. what else is new. 1393241;1454363192;pete_dushenski;l0l 1393242;1454363219;pete_dushenski;your proposal to increase block size pretty much seals this theory ;) 1393243;1454363225;deedbot-;[Qntra] Shaun Bridges Arrested For Attempting To Flee United States - http://qntra.net/2016/02/shaun-bridges-arrested-for-attempting-to-flee-united-states/ 1393244;1454363354;mircea_popescu;did he go mexico ? 1393245;1454363389;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dunno that much yet, even though he was arrested last week word is just emerging this week. 1393246;1454363395;mircea_popescu;heh. 1393247;1454363406;BingoBoingo;Probably for reasons related to "trained experts" in german rapes 1393248;1454363407;mircea_popescu;didn't give all the keys he promised ? 1393249;1454363410;mircea_popescu;aha. 1393250;1454363444;BingoBoingo;But spz. to prison on Friday, arrested Thursday so who knows what's actually happpening 1393251;1454363496;BingoBoingo;If you want Pravda's narrative you can check "Wired" 1393252;1454363522;mircea_popescu;its ok, im just going to read more of this guy's -printf +printf. 1393253;1454363531;mircea_popescu;more exciting reading than wired at any rate. 1393254;1454363647;BingoBoingo;Anyways much more news today than late last month. 4 newses and a report in the first 22 hours of February. 1393255;1454363690;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392991 << splendid! 1393256;1454363690;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:06:38; phf: mircea_popescu: ^ 1393257;1454363737;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1393258;1454363749;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393011 << it is quite splendid. 1393259;1454363749;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:14:39; ascii_butugychag: phf: your viewer is mighty spiffy, it is exactly what i wanted to make in september (and never had time) 1393260;1454363778;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_remove_shrink_debug_file << aha, there we go 1393261;1454363779;assbot;polarbeard_remove_shrink_debug_file ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmhEIu ) 1393262;1454363798;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can you believe the deploy times of tmsr incidentally ? 1393263;1454363804;mircea_popescu;shit just springs out overnight! 1393264;1454363818;mircea_popescu;i have never witnessed anything like this before. if i were not-here i'd be pretty fucking scared. 1393265;1454363819;ascii_butugychag;http://www.scribd.com/doc/297519336/Shaun-Bridges-Rearrest << apparently 1393266;1454363820;assbot;Shaun Bridges Rearrest ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmhJvK ) 1393267;1454363831;ben_vulpes;well polarbeard likes to pretend as though i don't exist until he finally does what i ask, and even then refuses to ping me on the topic. 1393268;1454363846;ascii_butugychag;'During the execution that warrant, and based on facts that remain under seal before this Court, the government recovered the following items: two “pelican style” bags which contained: identity documents; a passport card in Bridges’ name; a notarized copy of Bridges’ passport; corporate records for at least 3 different offshore entities ranging from Nevis to Belize to Mauritius, i 1393269;1454363849;mircea_popescu;did i miss some drama ? 1393270;1454363852;ascii_butugychag;ncluding one that Bridges created on October 28, 2015 after he had pleaded guilty in this case; a Samsung cell phone; and a thumb drive. Also located in those bags were documents relating to his wife’s, Ariana Esposito’s, attempts to obtain citizenship in another country. Government agents also found a MacBook with the serial number scratched off, an ipad tucked between a bedroom mattr 1393271;1454363856;ben_vulpes;but yeah phf's sprouting some lovely tooling 1393272;1454363858;ascii_butugychag;ess, and bulletproof vests, at least one of which had Secret Service markings and thus is believed to have been stolen from the government. ' 1393273;1454363861;ascii_butugychag;l0ltr0nic. 1393274;1454363885;BingoBoingo;Coke Machine 1393275;1454363896;jurov;phf what's i written in? 1393276;1454363899;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag sounds more and more like it's a petraeus job. 1393277;1454363900;jurov;*it 1393278;1454363904;mircea_popescu;llleeeesp 1393279;1454363913;ben_vulpes;le leeeesp 1393280;1454363940;ascii_butugychag;speaking of petraeus jobs, same rag, http://www.wired.com/2016/01/nsa-hacker-chief-explains-how-to-keep-him-out-of-your-system 1393281;1454363941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WYf11p ) 1393282;1454363941;mircea_popescu;might also be the first time lisp was used for an actual purpose in its entire history 1393283;1454363950;*;mircea_popescu runs off in a serpentine fashion, head down 1393284;1454363950;ascii_butugychag;tr0l0l0l 1393285;1454363972;*;ben_vulpes throws pens, pencils, erasers at mircea_popescu's slithering ass 1393286;1454363999;ben_vulpes;stoned to death by office supplies 1393287;1454364007;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag he has the right method tho, you know ? what in beginner writer classes is called show, don't tell. 1393288;1454364078;ascii_butugychag;aha 1393289;1454364190;mircea_popescu;in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item. 1393290;1454364219;mircea_popescu;leaving aside they're trying to pass off a 70 cent chinese bit of crap for 20 bux in a poor country que no es un pais pobre : why the fuck bother to have a dozen shops then ?! 1393291;1454364219;*;BingoBoingo wonders with this nuggest alf will show of lisp once he can find the right bolts to keep Shiva attached 1393292;1454364310;*;BingoBoingo spz's that Shiva is probably the right place to get a less retarded wallet to talk to Bitcoin node. 1393293;1454364320;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1393294;1454364326;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: lemme guess, they're all on the same street too? 1393295;1454364342;mircea_popescu;over about 30 blocks yes. 1393296;1454364348;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: when i weld on a working field arithmetic 1393297;1454364351;ascii_butugychag;atm there is none. 1393298;1454364377;ascii_butugychag;(this is the biggest point of divergence with r5rs standard, it ~demands~ it) 1393299;1454364379;mircea_popescu;once you do that ima want shoup implemented just to have it nearby 1393300;1454364387;ascii_butugychag;sure 1393301;1454364405;mircea_popescu;ima do some shoup encoding on avenida cramer just for the fucks of it. 1393302;1454364405;BingoBoingo;I suspect this will magically emerge as a surpise on some pseudorandom weekend 1393303;1454364412;ascii_butugychag;incidentally all of this exists in sad pieces in the cellars of my sad tower 1393304;1454364423;mircea_popescu;that isn't even flying, let alone dirigible. 1393305;1454364439;mircea_popescu;alf built himself a house shaped like a boat and is now waiting! 1393306;1454364444;BingoBoingo;Or a yurn in th pampas 1393307;1454364447;ascii_butugychag;aha, it works mightily just to stand. 1393308;1454364500;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393026 << at least it wasn;t fucking developed by teh nsa. 1393309;1454364500;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:29:18; ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3... 1393310;1454364508;mircea_popescu;as far as we know. whatevs. minor point. 1393311;1454364525;ascii_butugychag;btw between that thread and now i went and read the keccak spec 1393312;1454364529;ascii_butugychag;it is mighty spiffy. 1393313;1454364541;ascii_butugychag;accordionizes to size. 1393314;1454364587;mircea_popescu;:) 1393315;1454364613;mircea_popescu;i don't need to explain what i meant by not finite then ? 1393316;1454364627;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1393317;1454364648;ascii_butugychag;other hashes also accept infinite bits but they eat where they shit. 1393318;1454364653;mircea_popescu;quite. 1393319;1454364674;mircea_popescu;and mind that while in no means do i propose this is "Asic resistant", from a designer perspective you must appreciate i'm giving you a fun job to do. 1393320;1454364676;mircea_popescu;at least therer's that. 1393321;1454364696;mircea_popescu;always make sure everyone's having fun. 1393322;1454364728;ascii_butugychag;quite! nobody will be plagiarizing old verilog from fpga docs to bake this one. 1393323;1454364733;ascii_butugychag;very asian-resistant. 1393324;1454364739;ascii_butugychag;which is a mega-plus. 1393325;1454364741;ben_vulpes;whoa oakland terminal is filing for ch 11 1393326;1454364815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82529 @ 0.00056816 = 46.8897 BTC [-] 1393327;1454364841;mircea_popescu;honestly the way i expect practical implementations to work (at least "originally") is, best effort sort of thing. 1393328;1454364846;mircea_popescu;"we get the right hash 95% of the time!" 1393329;1454364859;mircea_popescu;and throw an error about half the rest of the time! 1393330;1454364879;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: actually it will be a massively-parallel sort of affair 1393331;1454364884;ascii_butugychag;or did you already say this 1393332;1454364888;ascii_butugychag;(rainbow table) 1393333;1454364892;mircea_popescu;well yeah. 1393334;1454364929;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, does this actually incentivize storing the blocks? or only the rainbow table! 1393335;1454364943;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter, they're homomorphisms. 1393336;1454364959;ascii_butugychag;not for the purpose of relay 1393337;1454364965;ascii_butugychag;or am i missing something 1393338;1454364968;mircea_popescu;that is true. 1393339;1454364976;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: WHy is this surprizing. Oakland sucks and Oakland terminal has been struggling. 1393340;1454364982;mircea_popescu;but you get what the tree grew, not what you want to eat! 1393341;1454365007;ascii_butugychag;this here tree might be growin' old tyres 1393342;1454365027;mircea_popescu;actually... take the rainbows, write them ACROSS the bitfield, got the blocks lol. 1393343;1454365045;mircea_popescu;this is the amusing chinese-ness of this all. basically we're reading the other direction. 1393344;1454365054;mircea_popescu;more than one person in china lolled when they saw it. 1393345;1454365113;ascii_butugychag;almost cantor's diagonal flavour to it. 1393346;1454365117;mircea_popescu;aha. 1393347;1454365120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172634 @ 0.00056755 = 97.9784 BTC [-] {4} 1393348;1454365369;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393062 << ah come on this is rank nonsense. who executes blocks. 1393349;1454365369;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:59:21; hdbuck: qntrable? >> Kaspersky / Interpol fun: http://www.coinfox.info/news/persons/1733-kaspersky-lab-researcher-creates-virus-that-can-spread-through-the-blockchain 1393350;1454365419;mircea_popescu;incidentally ascii_butugychag i had dc price 1tb ram. the guy... lifted an eyebrow. 1393351;1454365437;mircea_popescu;about thirteen grand, and q2 delivery. 1393352;1454365453;mircea_popescu;but yes, that'd be one spiffy node. 1393353;1454365472;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CaKO7QnUEAEWdQX.mp4 1393354;1454365473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmkfSU ) 1393355;1454365504;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: actually i would be only slightly surprised if prb could be persuaded to jmp into a block. 1393356;1454365505;felipelalli;danielpbarron, I can't find my deed in http://deedbot.org/ - do you know why? 1393357;1454365509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF ) 1393358;1454365509;BingoBoingo;from https://twitter.com/IHBio/status/694274558665175040https://twitter.com/IHBio/status/694274558665175040 1393359;1454365510;ascii_butugychag;or even a tx. 1393360;1454365526;trinque;felipelalli: yes, he got shot in the head again and is catching back up, is at 396128 1393361;1454365530;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag seeing how there's memory leaks... not a bad bet. 1393362;1454365547;trinque;felipelalli: I thought the cause was something to do with your deed earlier, deleted it, now jurov's has gone through, and yours is next 1393363;1454365583;hdbuck;mircea_popescu yes, sry, ps: gmax actually adressed your recent blogpost : http://pastebin.com/nq3iFbW8 1393364;1454365583;assbot;gmaxwell: The thing that proposal wants to do has been discussed by others many - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmkn4I ) 1393365;1454365594;felipelalli;trinque, lol! I think I have killed deedbot- many times unintentionally. 1393366;1454365643;mircea_popescu;hdbuck apparently it's the talk of the town, yeah. 1393367;1454365644;trinque;felipelalli: that is a good thing; this present round of woes shall be rememdied in a few days, I think. trb node shall have reached the top. It's at about 385k right now 1393368;1454365658;felipelalli;trinque, nice! 1393369;1454366157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102250 @ 0.00056955 = 58.2365 BTC [+] {2} 1393370;1454366285;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/43qisj/paul_sztorc_on_twitter_it_seems_that_mircea/ 1393371;1454366286;assbot;Paul Sztorc on Twitter: "It seems that [Mircea Popescu] has internalized Bitcoin's full node externality. Initial reaction: "Wow."" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kmlp0t ) 1393372;1454366516;pete_dushenski;hehe 1393373;1454366537;pete_dushenski;kids finally starting to name names 1393374;1454366566;pete_dushenski;rather than just "oh some small block zealots are afraid of progress" such and such 1393375;1454366584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86300 @ 0.00056969 = 49.1642 BTC [+] {3} 1393376;1454367036;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392989 << ok this is super cool. nicely done phf! 1393377;1454367036;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:06:34; phf: ok, so http://btcbase.org/patches/ 1393378;1454367264;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393047 << any merit to these 'hybrid' drives ? or just ssd or bust. 1393379;1454367264;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 19:56:14; ascii_butugychag: imho spinning rust is a losing proposition for any node. 1393380;1454367348;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1393381;1454367365;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: the hybrid thing seems like the worst of both worlds 1393382;1454367402;jurov;pete_dushenski: gigabytes of RAM alleviate the problem, but only if it's not too far behind 1393383;1454367418;jurov;so I imageine it's the same with hybrids 1393384;1454367443;mircea_popescu;hybrids are one of those "maybe when it grows up" techs. 1393385;1454367497;pete_dushenski;aha. good to know as i'm on the hunt for a new node hard drive and, given this, might as well spring for ssd. 1393386;1454367499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65951 @ 0.00056022 = 36.9471 BTC [-] {3} 1393387;1454367541;pete_dushenski;any ssd brands to avoid ? 1393388;1454367556;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/43pqky/bitcoin_core_will_soon_replace_the_industry/czk0ral 1393389;1454367557;assbot;Zotamedu comments on Bitcoin core will soon replace the industry standard random number generator with a homebrew script. Sorry for your loss (of entropy) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8QotN ) 1393390;1454367592;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Avoid SSD's which seem inexpensve for their capacity 1393391;1454367643;BingoBoingo;SSD market pretty much consists on Samsung, Intel, and other firms that just use surplus parts from samsung 1393392;1454367660;jurov;"Comming soon, custom memory allocator!" :B 1393393;1454367669;ascii_butugychag;hybrid is guaranteed not to help a node. 1393394;1454367676;ascii_butugychag;because node is a random access affair. 1393395;1454367680;ascii_butugychag;the ~locality~ is small. 1393396;1454367695;jurov;i disagree 1393397;1454367708;pete_dushenski;ok. now any idea why ssd's are all 2.5" ? 1393398;1454367717;ascii_butugychag;not so 1393399;1454367721;ascii_butugychag;plenty of 'msata' etc 1393400;1454367743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60312 @ 0.00056976 = 34.3634 BTC [+] {2} 1393401;1454367743;jurov;after syncing i have moved older half of blockXXX.dat on spinning rust and it did not access them very often 1393402;1454367754;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: mkay. i just need to dig more then 1393403;1454367760;ascii_butugychag;and if pete_dushenski is really asking why there are no 3.5" ones, it is for same reason as why not 5.25 1393404;1454367765;ascii_butugychag;because wtf 1393405;1454367789;ascii_butugychag;jurov: that was because ~nobody is actually setting up new nodes 1393406;1454367792;ascii_butugychag;or moving old coin 1393407;1454367831;jurov;but feeding new nodes is not random-access affair. spending old coin, now that's something else 1393408;1454367862;jurov;but if it was not spent often so far, i hardly expect that to change 1393409;1454367892;*;ascii_butugychag still thinks that blockchain mask rom ought to be a product 1393410;1454367905;ascii_butugychag;why the fuck provision for rewriting bits that will ~never~ be rewritten. 1393411;1454367940;ascii_butugychag;mask rom is approximately indestructible, costs precious little to make, uses minimal current, etc 1393412;1454367942;jurov;so? burn the old half to bd-r. checkbox marked. 1393413;1454367948;ascii_butugychag;slow 1393414;1454367951;ascii_butugychag;and now you're ddosable. 1393415;1454367966;ascii_butugychag;(when it becomes known that asking for old blocks makes you spin a motor) 1393416;1454367980;jurov;ha! let the enemy start moving his precious pre-2011 coinz 1393417;1454367995;ascii_butugychag;he doesn't need to actually move'em 1393418;1454367997;ascii_butugychag;just pretend to 1393419;1454368007;ascii_butugychag;you ~will~ have to load the blocks 1393420;1454368014;ascii_butugychag;(to see that his tx is invalid) 1393421;1454368034;jurov;that will be stopped by index which stays on ssd 1393422;1454368051;ascii_butugychag;how does this help ? 1393423;1454368067;ascii_butugychag;index just ends up telling you to fetch the ancient block. 1393424;1454368086;ascii_butugychag;bitcoin as presently conceived requires random access. 1393425;1454368194;jurov;ok. anyway, should be not hard to have a bit in the index saying tx has all otutputs spent with 1000... confirmations 1393426;1454368290;*;ascii_butugychag bbl 1393427;1454368318;jurov;(but yes that's HARD, i believe electrum does this and it makes full sync almost impractical even on ssd) 1393428;1454368656;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> why the fuck provision for rewriting bits that will ~never~ be rewritten. <<< ironically, cheaper to save on hdd than on the mask rom. yet. 1393429;1454368660;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is a point. 1393430;1454368668;mircea_popescu;especially seeing that glass storage thing i read about. 1393431;1454368841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00056012 = 28.9302 BTC [-] {3} 1393432;1454368924;BingoBoingo; ok. now any idea why ssd's are all 2.5" ? << You know these things work in 3.5" and even 5.25" bays... Even work with same cables. 1393433;1454369047;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: mhm. can use mounting bracket too if you don't feel like taping it on. i guess the 2.5" size meets the 90% of buyers using it for laptops and the 10% of buyers using it for desktops aren't excluded either. 1393434;1454369079;BingoBoingo;Many of them will include the bracket in the retail box 1393435;1454369083;*;pete_dushenski is a hdd/sdd buying noob 1393436;1454369103;*;danielpbarron too 1393437;1454369128;danielpbarron;and this line of questioning interests me; i've been meaning to get one of those things too 1393438;1454369158;danielpbarron;or more than one; does it make sense to make a raid? and for that matter what's the right thing to buy for that? 1393439;1454369197;danielpbarron;i've got this nice beefy workstation but i'm still using my 10 year old hard drives 1393440;1454369201;BingoBoingo;Kinda makes sense to do raid 1 for redundancy and faster reads 1393441;1454369203;mircea_popescu;depends what you wanna do. raid 1 works well for security ; raid 0 for speed 1393442;1454369225;danielpbarron;i mean hardware controller; i think i recall reading asciilifeform saying hardware is only way to raid 1393443;1454369246;gernika; I have raid 1 (hardware) going with 2 ssds 1393444;1454369286;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386437 1393445;1454369286;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 19:24:59; ascii_butugychag: (as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards) 1393446;1454369290;gernika;3ware 1393447;1454369367;gernika;9560SE-4LPML 1393448;1454369373;BingoBoingo;Anyways my take on the SSD market is the stuff Samsung is willing to brand as theirs is the safest in a longevity way. Who the fuck knows which is least likely to have evil baked in. 1393449;1454369555;BingoBoingo;As alf graciously contributed http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ 1393450;1454369556;assbot;Your Disk Controller and You | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNrD5T ) 1393451;1454369574;pete_dushenski;curious if asciilifeform is buying sandisk, samsung, intel(!), amd, or other ssd atm. 1393452;1454369693;pete_dushenski;so far it looks like the sandisk 'extreme pro' is the best bang for the buck in the 480-500gb segment. though all are free to point me to something better! 1393453;1454369795;pete_dushenski;bbl 1393454;1454369898;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Sandisk, AMD, etc is all Samsung parts 1393455;1454369917;BingoBoingo;Or was last I checked. 1393456;1454369939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 240616 @ 0.00055963 = 134.6559 BTC [-] {5} 1393457;1454369939;BingoBoingo;Intel for a while did their own thing, but I am unsure if they still do. 1393458;1454369943;*;kakobrekla sent numerous 'go fuck yourself' letters to sandisk for their policies with usb drives and will never buy their shit again 1393459;1454370006;gernika;BingoBoingo: how about Micron? 1393460;1454370049;BingoBoingo;gernika: I don't know about them and SSD's. 1393461;1454370111;jurov;in related news, the "kingdian" shit survived several rewrites already 1393462;1454370164;BingoBoingo;sweet 1393463;1454370170;jurov;i wonder if many-MLC SSD is fullfilling alf's dreams of ROM :D 1393464;1454370427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00055836 = 20.1568 BTC [-] {2} 1393465;1454370836;fluffypony;sorry mircea_popescu, your secret is out 1393466;1454370838;fluffypony;[01:29:21] he seems quite certain of himself and even writes that he refuses to accept it wont work 1393467;1454370838;fluffypony;[01:29:45] in his universe, his words are absolute - its quite funny to read 1393468;1454370838;fluffypony;[01:51:12] JackH: He does that on purpose, to manipulate the type of people who choose to read his blog. 1393469;1454370838;fluffypony;[01:51:34] The secret is that he isn't arrogant at all -- only pretending. 1393470;1454370840;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1393471;1454370855;mircea_popescu;o.O 1393472;1454370858;mircea_popescu;lies, all lies. 1393473;1454370865;fluffypony;no you're only pretending, now we know the truth 1393474;1454370895;mircea_popescu;stop saying rumpelskiltstin. 1393475;1454370900;fluffypony;:-P 1393476;1454370905;mircea_popescu;IT WONT DO YOU ANY GOOD 1393477;1454370958;mircea_popescu;if i read one more fucking printf statement i'm going to start murdering people again. bbl. 1393478;1454371106;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu begins to feel the burn! 1393479;1454371220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109763 @ 0.00056264 = 61.7571 BTC [+] {3} 1393480;1454372013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00056419 = 30.3252 BTC [+] {2} 1393481;1454372406;BingoBoingo;!up t 1393482;1454372745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.0005642 = 3.357 BTC [+] 1393483;1454373203;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393454 << interesting. 1393484;1454373203;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:38:18; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Sandisk, AMD, etc is all Samsung parts 1393485;1454373220;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393458 << what's sandisk's usb policy ? 1393486;1454373220;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:39:03; *: kakobrekla sent numerous 'go fuck yourself' letters to sandisk for their policies with usb drives and will never buy their shit again 1393487;1454373231;BingoBoingo;Now that gernika brought it up, apparently Micron also makes nand and SSD's 1393488;1454373348;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393077 << apparently boeing doesn't have enough 'mass market' engineering to do these days so is contributing their engineering expertise to... golf clubs. callaway drivers in particular. 1393489;1454373348;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 20:06:49; ascii_butugychag: having it with somebody who understands nothing of how his civilization is put together, to whom flashlight, pc, boeing, are equally magical - is a snore. 1393490;1454373609;pete_dushenski;not like aerodynamic performance matters in the slightest when you're joe average swinging his driver at 75 mph, but hey mr. tourstar who swings at 110+ mph notices a difference, however marginal, and that's good enough for joe ! 1393491;1454373844;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393428 << a) only because 'economy of scale' b) hdd total cost of ownership IF YOU NEED 100% uptime is quite high 1393492;1454373844;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:17:36; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> why the fuck provision for rewriting bits that will ~never~ be rewritten. <<< ironically, cheaper to save on hdd than on the mask rom. yet. 1393493;1454373868;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393433 << i buy iron brackets for'em, cheap 1393494;1454373868;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:24:07; pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: mhm. can use mounting bracket too if you don't feel like taping it on. i guess the 2.5" size meets the 90% of buyers using it for laptops and the 10% of buyers using it for desktops aren't excluded either. 1393495;1454373923;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393451 << bunch of'em, no intels 1393496;1454373923;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:32:54; pete_dushenski: curious if asciilifeform is buying sandisk, samsung, intel(!), amd, or other ssd atm. 1393497;1454373931;asciilifeform;but see also the raid thread 1393498;1454373957;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386469 << 1393499;1454373957;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 19:40:17; ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier 1393500;1454373960;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: will reread. cheers. 1393501;1454374202;pete_dushenski;"So that is a long way of saying that Callaway has reshaped the Speed Step on the crown of the XR 16 driver, but at least you now know that a whole lot of thought and time has gone into it from the best brains from two of the top aerodynamic engineering companies around. The result is the XR 16 driver that has a 30% lower head drag and a 10% lower face drag than the original XR driver." http://www.golfalot.com/Portal 1393502;1454374202;assbot;Golfalot.com > Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1UED3gz ) 1393503;1454374202;pete_dushenski;imagesblogs/callaway/xr16/reviewdriverwave.jpg << ok that's actually notbad… 1393504;1454374208;pete_dushenski;http://www.golfalot.com/Portals/0/imagesblogs/callaway/xr16/reviewdriverwave.jpg 1393505;1454374209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UED4B7 ) 1393506;1454374219;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski plays? 1393507;1454374228;pete_dushenski;well even ! 1393508;1454374319;asciilifeform;neato 1393509;1454374321;pete_dushenski;the number of sports where one isn't saddled with other idjits (and their trivial hierarchies) are few and far between. thus i grew up doing swimming, golf, badminton, tennis, running, yoga, etc. 1393510;1454374325;asciilifeform;where i live, it is an 'old man game' 1393511;1454374408;pete_dushenski;it's quite popular here with all ages. my theory is that it has a similar swing plane to hockey, which is the ~most~ popular, and works well as a seasonal alternate. 1393512;1454374479;pete_dushenski;though most take it up in their 20s and 30s because they're a) bored and need the frustration, and b) need to play for 'business' reasons on account of many alrger firms having annual tournaments. 1393513;1454374489;pete_dushenski;larger* 1393514;1454374514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86900 @ 0.0005583 = 48.5163 BTC [-] {5} 1393515;1454374632;pete_dushenski;i started around 13yo, peaked in '09 when i won the club championship at one of the two most competitive private clubs in town. only play two, maybe three times a year now as i find it a bit abusive to swing that hard now and can think of a several books i'd rather read with 6 hours of continuous time. 1393516;1454374720;pete_dushenski;coincidentally, my golf equipment is almost exactly the same vintage as my computing equipment and i similarly see no benefit to upgrading either. 1393517;1454374729;mircea_popescu;lol. 1393518;1454374754;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Just wait until you need an orthopedic computer 1393519;1454374843;pete_dushenski;though i suppose the golf ball is the equivalent of the hdd/sdd - it breaks, you "lose" it, and does actually need to be replaced eventually. 1393520;1454374873;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: what do you think i'm using now ? 1393521;1454374932;BingoBoingo;One that's not as orthotic as you'll need after pantagruel spends a decade using you as a thing to climb on 1393522;1454375059;pete_dushenski;i tremble at the thought... 1393523;1454375091;pete_dushenski;holy shit is chopin the worst fucking composer to listen to when trying to read or write. what an obnoxious fucking twat! 1393524;1454375111;pete_dushenski;BANGBANGCLASHBANGBANG. all goddam day. 1393525;1454375143;pete_dushenski;i'm sure his pieces would make for excellent theatre, but they make the worst study partner. 1393526;1454375295;pete_dushenski;http://conbody.com/ << one for BingoBoingo 1393527;1454375297;assbot;ConBody ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEFJed ) 1393528;1454375358;pete_dushenski;"The story behind the workout is almost as good as the workout itself: Coss Marte developed a unique and effective exercise program without the need for any equipment while doing his time. and now he helps you to do yours." 1393529;1454375379;asciilifeform;lifting other prisoners ? 1393530;1454375381;asciilifeform;(traditional) 1393531;1454375396;pete_dushenski;"While serving a sentence in his 9’x6′ prison cell, Coss lost 70+ lbs. in just six months. From that experience, Coss refined a unique fitness program combining fun cardiovascular, aerobic, and running exercises and now he has brought this exercise program back to New York City." 1393532;1454375410;pete_dushenski;back ?! 1393533;1454375430;pete_dushenski;back to alcatraz, sure, but nyc ? 1393534;1454375580;pete_dushenski;in other news, this lead-in made me loller >> "At the University of Kentucky, taco knowledge is power." 1393535;1454375588;pete_dushenski;https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/you-can-now-study-tacos-at-the-university-of-kentucky 1393536;1454375590;assbot;You Can Now Study Tacos at the University of Kentucky | MUNCHIES ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEGmEs ) 1393537;1454375610;pete_dushenski;"This semester, the university is offering an undergraduate course called “Taco Literacy: Public Advocacy and Mexican Food in the US South.” Led by Steven Alvarez, an assistant professor in the university’s Writing, Rhetoric, and Digital Studies department, the class aims to teach students about Mexican foodways in Kentucky and the broader South." 1393538;1454375643;pete_dushenski;inb4 "HOW DID I END UP WITH ALL THE DEBT AND NO TACO STAND JOB PROSPECTS ??!" 1393539;1454375712;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 if teh esteemed foundation'd give an opinion on http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ kthx. << I'm reading through the post, must grok. 1393540;1454375713;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q70TOa ) 1393541;1454375727;mircea_popescu;mod6 take your time! 1393542;1454375739;mod6;*cough*3rd time*cough* 1393543;1454375761;mod6;there is some good Q&A in the comments. 1393544;1454375802;mircea_popescu;yeah it's kinda rare for trilema comments to take off these days. 1393545;1454375802;asciilifeform;btw i realized that mircea_popescu might single-handedly cause delay-line memory to come back. 1393546;1454375818;mircea_popescu;but i thought you foamingly hated it!!1 1393547;1454375829;asciilifeform;l0l wut 1393548;1454375838;mircea_popescu;when the post showed up. 1393549;1454375856;mircea_popescu;but no, it's really not fair - i spring stuff like this on people that's been many months in the building and then what, they gotta have an instareaction ? 1393550;1454375859;mircea_popescu;i cheat. 1393551;1454375862;asciilifeform;not so much hated, as didn't see the win 1393552;1454375885;asciilifeform;but think about, if you had the blocks circulating in a light pipe, the nonce operation is... O(1) 1393553;1454375894;asciilifeform;just shift the phase. 1393554;1454375963;mircea_popescu;yes. 1393555;1454375985;mircea_popescu;think about it lol. it didn't just fall from the sky, it's a construct! 1393556;1454376015;*;pete_dushenski to dinner 1393557;1454376222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00056306 = 20.5235 BTC [+] {2} 1393558;1454376267;jurov;http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116397 1393559;1454376268;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UEI3BP ) 1393560;1454376326;jurov;^to work as intended, the nonce must depend on included transactions in mined block, too 1393561;1454376584;jurov;imo designing something that forces miner to have fast random access to all whole blocks is a cryptographical challenge 1393562;1454376594;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/02/shaun-bridges-arrested-for-attempting-to-flee-united-states/#comment-44523 << lulzy 1393563;1454376595;assbot;Shaun Bridges Arrested For Attempting To Flee United States | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sp0i0S ) 1393564;1454376666;asciilifeform;quoted for the logz: 1393565;1454376670;asciilifeform;'From the court filing for his recent arrest it looks like this was a fairly clever trap set for Bridges. There's a reference in the last paragraph of the filing to a still-sealed warrant for Bridges' arrest. Apparently they got this sealed warrant issued BEFORE they released him, then let him out for the occasionally-offered "time to tidy up your affairs" post-sentencing/pre-incarceration. This isn't too unusual, but ONLY for 1393566;1454376670;asciilifeform; convicts with near-zero flight risk. So it's very very strange they offered this to Bridges, and he's an idiot for not wondering WTF was up. Anyways, looks like he fell into the trap. Now they've got him back as well as all the goodies in his "go bag". I'm guessing that "go bag" was the point of the whole excercise.' 1393567;1454376841;mod6;asciilifeform: cool with you if i send those re-worked patches to the ML? 1393568;1454376861;asciilifeform;mod6: sure why not 1393569;1454376876;mod6;well, they're your things! 1393570;1454376883;asciilifeform;mod6: they wanted to live in ml 1393571;1454376893;asciilifeform;and do me a favour and say what'll need to get reground 1393572;1454376913;mod6;ahhhhhhh 1393573;1454376917;mod6;now we get to it. 1393574;1454376971;mod6;so even though I was able to press out shiva, et. al.; it might be worthwhile to make a list of which patches need to be included to make it work. 1393575;1454376988;asciilifeform;there were precisely 2 1393576;1454376990;mod6;i think there is some confusion there. as you saw in the logs. 1393577;1454377010;asciilifeform;3, rather 1393578;1454377018;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html << these 1393579;1454377018;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP ) 1393580;1454377027;asciilifeform;and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html << fix 1393581;1454377028;assbot;[BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven ) 1393582;1454377051;asciilifeform;and, for anybody who missed it the first two times, 1393583;1454377056;asciilifeform;!!! >>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392305 <<<< !!! 1393584;1454377056;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 05:13:50; asciilifeform: tinyscheme genesis is NOT PART OF TRB !!1111111111111 1393585;1454377115;mod6;so shiva part 1 & part 2 + shiva fix. 1393586;1454377119;asciilifeform;aha. 1393587;1454377136;mircea_popescu;jurov answered. 1393588;1454377141;asciilifeform;btw this is the kind of question a working vtron oughta answer in <1sec 1393589;1454377166;mircea_popescu;and on this specific topic - i'd prefer if all discussion happens there. it'll become impossible to track if we just do the usual layered cake. 1393590;1454377184;mod6;i kindof agree. 1393591;1454377184;adlai;mircea_popescu: apologies for retardation, i may have just posted my comment twice 1393592;1454377236;mircea_popescu; 'From the court filing for his recent arrest it looks like this was a fairly clever trap set for Bridges. <<< heh. 1393593;1454377250;mircea_popescu;adlai i dun think it lets you do that really. 1393594;1454377287;mod6;I, jurov, am hereby submitting the treasurer's reward in full as my 1393595;1454377288;mod6;tax payment to the Foundation. 1393596;1454377291;mod6;Thanks! 1393597;1454377410;*;adlai waits for the day when usg stagehands and muppeteers donate their entire income to the IRS (saves on paperwork!) 1393598;1454377464;jurov;ben_vulpes do you intend to maintain v.py? *all* its unittests break from several causes 1393599;1454377545;jurov;like alf's expired key you bundled in 1393600;1454377598;mircea_popescu;adlai well, buffett donated his secretary's. that count ? 1393601;1454378113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00055706 = 2.8132 BTC [-] {2} 1393602;1454378395;mod6;i thought ben_vulpes made a lisp deal? 1393603;1454378480;jurov;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000165.html 1393604;1454378481;assbot;[BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHbxQN ) 1393605;1454378512;mod6;oh aight 1393606;1454378584;jurov;generally, wot should ignore expiration dates. like, if alf dies, we're going to throw everything out? 1393607;1454378599;jurov;*v should 1393608;1454378635;mod6;it should do what these guys were talking about before, just press up to level where key you trust has signed. 1393609;1454378669;mod6;so if i get hit by a bus, and alf has signed all the patches, then you're ok as long as you trust alfie. or vice versa. 1393610;1454378687;jurov;what about genesis? 1393611;1454378711;mod6;well, you press out genesis if you trust at least one person who has signed it. 1393612;1454378784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00055706 = 19.2743 BTC [-] {2} 1393613;1454378791;mircea_popescu;jurov> generally, wot should ignore expiration dates. like, if alf dies, we're going to throw everything out? << holy shit! 1393614;1454378829;mod6;which currently stands at 4 lords at this point 1393615;1454378847;mod6;genesis.vpatch (asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, mod6, trinque) 1393616;1454378879;jurov;ok i get it, it's using other people sigs 1393617;1454378891;mircea_popescu;mod6 vaguely unrelated points. the owner's death guarantees a key with an expiration date will expire ; it also guarantees the trust for it needn't ever be updated - dead men tell no lies. 1393618;1454378901;mircea_popescu;consequently the expiration date makes no sense whatsoever. 1393619;1454378926;mircea_popescu;take chetty's key. if it expires tomorrow, what does that change exactly ? 1393620;1454378934;mod6;nada. 1393621;1454378961;mircea_popescu;so basically key expiration as a concept is broken, in that it induces a wrinkle between phenomena and representation. 1393622;1454378970;mod6;in the case of v, if she had created a patch, and she was the only one who signed it and her key expired tomorrow, well, someone better grok it and sign it who's in the current lordship 1393623;1454378983;mircea_popescu;or else simply ignore key expirations forever. 1393624;1454379002;mod6;ya 1393625;1454379004;mircea_popescu;jesus' key also expired. 1393626;1454379020;mod6;i didn't know he was a crypto guy 1393627;1454379030;mod6;:D 1393628;1454379048;mircea_popescu;technically, as per catholic doctrine, jesus must have been a crypto guy. 1393629;1454379080;mod6;the history you don't know... or how does it go? 1393630;1454379086;mircea_popescu;lol 1393631;1454379087;jurov;that's not catholic doctrine 1393632;1454379113;mircea_popescu;jurov hm ? 1393633;1454379125;jurov;catholic is that truth is what living Pope signs. 1393634;1454379138;mircea_popescu;because peter, because jesus. 1393635;1454379146;mircea_popescu;there's a filiation there. 1393636;1454379169;jurov;and there were two popes and whatnot 1393637;1454379179;mircea_popescu;not as per doctrine :) 1393638;1454379184;mircea_popescu;that is lay history! 1393639;1454379205;mircea_popescu;anyway, throwaway point, lettuce move on. 1393640;1454379298;jurov;i just happened to stumble upon it cuz vulpes' test data has only one - alf's signature per patch 1393641;1454379317;mod6;you know, im pretty sure that my v ignores expired keys. 1393642;1454379324;jurov;guess i should stop wasting time with it and approach v from completely other direction 1393643;1454379349;mod6;try it out, grab v99996, grab alfs expired key and drop it in your .wot 1393644;1454379352;mod6;see what happens. 1393645;1454379467;jurov;tomorrow. 1393646;1454379616;mod6;whenever is cool. :] 1393647;1454380248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165200 @ 0.00056477 = 93.3 BTC [+] {4} 1393648;1454380607;mod6;ok so pressed out shiva with V -- used what is currently in the mirror (including alfs PVS) + what is stated above: shiva 1 & 2 + shiva fix, compiles and works: 1393649;1454380609;mod6;#>(btc-get-best-height) 1393650;1454380612;mod6;396226 1393651;1454380617;mod6;that's for ben 1393652;1454380627;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1B4ZZFP.txt 1393653;1454380628;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UERsJA ) 1393654;1454380684;mod6;be back in a few to sort out the patches that need re-grind after I submit the integrated programmable-version-strings vpatch and the reground mikehearn one 1393655;1454381806;mod6;actually, i think we're ok here because the only parts that changed in the new patches are main.cpp and serialize.h 1393656;1454381827;mod6;lemme compile & test with the new patches + shiva 1 & 2 + fix 1393657;1454382017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15010 @ 0.00055706 = 8.3615 BTC [-] {2} 1393658;1454382129;mod6;ok ~compiled~ 1393659;1454382239;mod6;Bitcoin version 0.9.99.98 << good 1393660;1454382643;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: it is a very interesting proposal. 1393661;1454382688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53222 @ 0.00055706 = 29.6478 BTC [-] {2} 1393662;1454382801;mod6;ok looking good - asciilifeform, check it out: http://dpaste.com/18G1QV6.txt 1393663;1454382803;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pvewuh ) 1393664;1454382932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00055706 = 37.2116 BTC [-] 1393665;1454382967;ben_vulpes;is this the sort of thing that *must* be implemented as a fork of the existing chain? 1393666;1454383005;*;ben_vulpes not terrifically intimate with fork dynamics in practice, having flatly ignored proposals to do so until now 1393667;1454383139;*;ben_vulpes now actually very curious as to how this sort of thing would work at the code level in practice. if blockheight < forkheight, use old validation rules, else use new? 1393668;1454383178;adlai;ben_vulpes: did you see my comment? this could be implemented today by miners already and you wouldn't have known of it 1393669;1454383195;*;danielpbarron recalls Mircea saying something like "if you're gonna fork, might as well start with new genesis block" 1393670;1454383204;ben_vulpes;i do not think i've gotten to your comment yet adlai. on trilema? 1393671;1454383234;adlai;ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116398 1393672;1454383235;assbot;The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvfxSY ) 1393673;1454383273;danielpbarron;!s fork genesis 1393674;1454383274;assbot;5 results for 'fork genesis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+genesis 1393675;1454383281;ben_vulpes;aha 1393676;1454383287;danielpbarron;^ there you go :) 1393677;1454383302;ben_vulpes;i believe that i understand how it could be implemented softly, adlai, but it doesn't /count/ until it's verified. 1393678;1454383371;adlai;correct, same as how extension block (adam back's original name for what morphed into the "segwit softfork") payments don't /count/ until you withdraw them to cold, hard, bitcoin 1393679;1454383452;ben_vulpes;yeah i never followed that stupidity in depth 1393680;1454383552;ben_vulpes;jurov: i committed violence to asciilifeform's original v in a harebrained attempt to add tests, was roundly caned for the violence, left his implementation to him and hared off to reimplement in cl. 1393681;1454383678;adlai;ben_vulpes: fwiw i still believe it's a bad idea to discourage this kind of "speculative soft fork"... it makes it easier for experimenters to put their money where their mouth is, and puts on a good show for "conservatives" who remain in plain good old Bitcoin 1393682;1454383753;ben_vulpes;adlai: sure! 1393683;1454383831;*;adlai personally will be slightly amused if LN goes live on SegwitCoin, and sees zero volume because nobody who spends btc actually needs micropayments 1393684;1454383869;adlai;(there'd go all the talk about capacity cliffs...) 1393685;1454383910;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes made for some interesting discussion at any rate. 1393686;1454383969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00055704 = 19.2179 BTC [-] {3} 1393687;1454384450;mircea_popescu;adlai this fear is part of why ln bla bla stays vaporware. 1393688;1454384467;mircea_popescu;but that aside, should they somehow find the money/mit to pull an ethereum : spam is easy and cheap. 1393689;1454384759;adlai;part of the just beauty is that spamming extension blocks is cheaper than spamming Bitcoin 1393690;1454384772;adlai;so along with a fee market, we also get a spam market 1393691;1454385205;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393662 << neato mod6 1393692;1454385205;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 03:13:21; mod6: ok looking good - asciilifeform, check it out: http://dpaste.com/18G1QV6.txt 1393693;1454385271;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/02/popescu-offers-condition-for-accepting-future-hard-forks/#comment-44526 << lulzy 1393694;1454385272;assbot;Popescu Offers Condition For Accepting Future Hard Forks | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmM2Tf ) 1393695;1454385441;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393606 << perhaps i ought to explain, i use the expiration feature so that my key can get garbagecollected out of heathendom when i finally transition to new one, instead of working as a honeypot for hitler 1393696;1454385441;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 02:03:04; jurov: generally, wot should ignore expiration dates. like, if alf dies, we're going to throw everything out? 1393697;1454386104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66617 @ 0.00055689 = 37.0983 BTC [-] {2} 1393698;1454386348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143771 @ 0.00055557 = 79.8749 BTC [-] {4} 1393699;1454386549;BingoBoingo;Our Nigerian prince appears to be back 1393700;1454386991;mircea_popescu;which one of you is gbanga after all ? 1393701;1454387010;mircea_popescu;also BingoBoingo maybe redirect the fellow to trilema comments where the matter of "jiggling the merkle tree" is well set to rest. 1393702;1454387080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61696 @ 0.00056231 = 34.6923 BTC [+] {4} 1393703;1454387262;BingoBoingo;done http://qntra.net/2016/02/popescu-offers-condition-for-accepting-future-hard-forks/#comment-44537 1393704;1454387263;assbot;Popescu Offers Condition For Accepting Future Hard Forks | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SA1E71 ) 1393705;1454387497;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy how this got all the self-important know-nothings off their ass and flailing wildly. 1393706;1454387536;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/43qisj/paul_sztorc_on_twitter_it_seems_that_mircea/czka9we << check out this derp. 1393707;1454387538;assbot;nullc comments on Paul Sztorc on Twitter: "It seems that [Mircea Popescu] has internalized Bitcoin's full node externality. Initial reaction: "Wow."" ... ( http://bit.ly/1SA2hxm ) 1393708;1454387995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00056569 = 14.0008 BTC [+] 1393709;1454388082;mircea_popescu;polarbeard + return error(SBLK "chain tip %s not found in the block index", hashBestChain.ToString().c_str()); << any reason this has only one flag ? 1393710;1454388147;mircea_popescu;+ return error(SBLK "block loading from disk failed"); << this soulds like SERR and so does + printf(SWAR SBLK "found bad block %s at height %d\n", 1393711;1454388268;mircea_popescu;+ printf(SWAR SWAL "repairing tx version %d\n", wtx.fTimeReceivedIsTxTime); << any reason this lost the hash ? 1393712;1454388403;mircea_popescu;- printf("\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n"); ahahaha holy shit already. 1393713;1454388418;mircea_popescu;i had forgotten that was in there. suddenly got flashbacks of ancient debug.log layout. 1393714;1454388482;mircea_popescu;+ printf(SINF SBLK "loading block index\n"); << this should show the nStart value ; so should all these timed items. like + printf(SINF SADR "loading addresses\n"); 1393715;1454388499;adlai;mircea_popescu: biggest derpitude is that we're discussing on irc a reddit conversation about a tweet linking to a blog 1393716;1454388523;mircea_popescu;well what can you do, when the "real cryptographers" are involved, you're stuck. 1393717;1454388533;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this is a step up or a step down from power ranger. 1393718;1454388538;adlai;;;later tell ben_vulpes see what happens when commenters can't find the comment box! 1393719;1454388539;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1393720;1454388568;mircea_popescu;;;google victor victoria 1393721;1454388569;gribble;Victor Victoria (1982) - IMDb: ; Victor Victoria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Victor/Victoria (musical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1393722;1454388580;mircea_popescu;"a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be..." 1393723;1454388643;danielpbarron;that Paul Sztorc guy is in Connecticut 1393724;1454388656;danielpbarron;real close to me 1393725;1454388728;mircea_popescu;small world eh. 1393726;1454388866;mircea_popescu;+ return error(SBLK "block %s doesn't match index", GetHash().ToString().c_str()); << it really doesn't work if you don't use the flags! 1393727;1454388890;mircea_popescu;+ return error(SBLK "pow %s work below minimum (%u)", hash.ToString().c_str(), nBits); << bunches of these. 1393728;1454389318;mircea_popescu;+ strError += strprintf("tx requires a tx fee of at" << this is logging exempt ? 1393729;1454389437;thestringpuller;printf is da best way to debug! 1393730;1454389684;mircea_popescu;so basically polarbeard here's the thing : i considered signing this, and i will consider signing the next version. as it is however i won't do that, because a) not all errors have both flags set ; b) occasional ' in error message ; c) occasional losing a valuable datapoint (such as the hash above) or missing on adding a useful one (nStart). 1393731;1454389684;mircea_popescu;as annoying as b c etc might be they're mostly minor and could be fixed by a further patch. a however is a killer, and colors both b and c in similar tones, because it betrays the fundamental problem with this patch : it doesn't flow from a structured approach given in depth consideration, but merely from your desire to help and impressive stamina. 1393732;1454389685;mircea_popescu;these are both very nice things, and the good news is that it's much easier for you to become very useful than it is for alf to grow another arm. so don't take this as a censure per se. does all that make sense ? 1393733;1454390435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00055607 = 35.8109 BTC [-] {5} 1393734;1454390557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61585 @ 0.00056669 = 34.8996 BTC [+] {4} 1393735;1454390618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98172 @ 0.00056706 = 55.6694 BTC [+] {2} 1393736;1454390628;BingoBoingo;In derplandia: Cruz 28% Trump 24% Rubio 23% 1393737;1454390689;mircea_popescu;o.O 1393738;1454390693;mircea_popescu;no way, someone is ahead of trump ?! 1393739;1454390698;mircea_popescu;how did that happen 1393740;1454390705;BingoBoingo;Or in the numbers that matter: Convention Delegates > 6 to Cruz 5 each to Trump and Rubio, one to Carson 1393741;1454390715;BingoBoingo;Blizzard in Iowa today 1393742;1454390749;BingoBoingo;Trump lost to Bible belt guy and tied Establishment guy 1393743;1454390767;mircea_popescu;weird. 1393744;1454390825;BingoBoingo;Trump was always just Manistream media noise and some derps online 1393745;1454390850;BingoBoingo;But Blizzard keeping Trumpets at home likely played a part 1393746;1454390894;mircea_popescu;so he's going away huh ? 1393747;1454390908;mircea_popescu;mommentum player, has little to offer other than "nobody can beat me for i'm the king rarara" 1393748;1454390946;BingoBoingo;He's going to continue kicking and screaming consistently drawing 25%-30% until he quits in May or August 1393749;1454390967;BingoBoingo;Momentum player, media likes he because they are mostly Democrats 1393750;1454390970;mircea_popescu;aha 1393751;1454391007;BingoBoingo;But if Trump keeps drawing that large a chunk while Cruz and Rubio fight it out a Brokered convention is still possible. 1393752;1454391018;BingoBoingo;Then again in 2012 Santorum won Iowa. 1393753;1454391027;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1393754;1454391038;mircea_popescu;cruz has ~0 chances of being president. 1393755;1454391054;BingoBoingo;Prolly going to be Bernie 1393756;1454391067;mircea_popescu;is this the black doctor guy ? 1393757;1454391076;BingoBoingo;Bernie's the Vermont socialist 1393758;1454391095;BingoBoingo;He's going to pull the Obama on Clitler again 1393759;1454391097;mircea_popescu;ah ok. 1393760;1454391131;BingoBoingo;And moar Mormom insurrections in the west are likely 1393761;1454391205;BingoBoingo;ATM Sanders and Clinton are nearly tied in Iowa and could take a while to sort out that contest 1393762;1454391497;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/694394283747446788 1393763;1454391533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29843 @ 0.0005637 = 16.8225 BTC [-] {2} 1393764;1454391533;BingoBoingo;"@HillaryClinton Shouldn't you be in jail for #WhiteWater" << My daily dose of social media trolling 1393765;1454391793;BingoBoingo;In other main-ish stream lulz https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/us-make-rape-legal-group-plans-worldwide-anti-woman-event-in-43-countries/ 1393766;1454391794;assbot;US ‘make rape legal’ group plans worldwide anti-woman event in 43 countries ... ( http://bit.ly/1QW0YsF ) 1393767;1454391898;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Trumps future is as a sort of Alternative Pat Buchanan 1393768;1454392097;BingoBoingo;Anyways I have still not seen any reason to hedge by BitBet on Rubio winning the nomination. 1393769;1454392241;adlai;shouldn't somebody who understands parimutuel betting better than the average bitbettor make nearly risk-free profit if the outcomes add up to "over 100%"? 1393770;1454392259;*;adlai doesn't even understand enough probability theory to phrase question properly 1393771;1454392265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00056573 = 28.2865 BTC [+] 1393772;1454392485;adlai;s/average/below-$1/ might be more accurate 1393773;1454392509;BingoBoingo;There's always risk 1393774;1454392624;adlai;on further thought, the risk of doing this on bitbet is that "late leeches" will squeeze out your profits from the bets that should have covered your losses 1393775;1454392693;adlai;fight leeches with leeching; maybe reserving some capital for post-leech correction mitigates this 1393776;1454393352;mats;i'm looking for something either on trilema or the logs, about advertising fraud 1393777;1454393366;mats;anybody know what i'm talking about here? 1393778;1454393433;adlai;!s facebook 1393779;1454393434;assbot;936 results for 'facebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=facebook 1393780;1454393851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00056573 = 16.7456 BTC [+] 1393781;1454394034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00056522 = 20.7153 BTC [-] {2} 1393782;1454394118;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, ok posted those two to the mailing list: 1393783;1454394121;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000205.html 1393784;1454394122;assbot;[BTC-dev] Programmable Version String - Integrated Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1SV8ANu ) 1393785;1454394132;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000206.html 1393786;1454394133;assbot;[BTC-dev] Regrind of malleus_mikehearnificarum vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SV8Bkr ) 1393787;1454394166;mod6;give these a compile & quick test if you don't mind and then upon confirmation, I'll update the mirror. 1393788;1454394172;mod6;thanks in advance! 1393789;1454397041;mats;also looking for the discussion re: credit, not barter, being 'invented' first 1393790;1454397387;punkman;mats, was it szabo's "The Origins of Money" perhaps? 1393791;1454397794;mats;I haven't read this paper yet, so I may be recalling a discussion of it 1393792;1454397882;punkman;"Debt: the first 5000 years" also discusses that point iirc 1393793;1454398426;punkman;http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/01/alphabet-becomes-the-most-valuable-company-in-the-world/ 1393794;1454398427;assbot;Alphabet Becomes The Most Valuable Public Company In The World | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcrFos ) 1393795;1454398466;punkman;"coming in at a market cap $558 billion after jumping about 8% after the company reported its fourth-quarter earnings, and passing Apple, which sits at a market cap of $535 billion." 1393796;1454398678;mats;thanks punkman 1393797;1454398738;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Xa0ymCf.png 1393798;1454398739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUKm3t ) 1393799;1454399215;punkman;http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/73318.html 1393800;1454399218;assbot;Patience Diff Advantages - Bram Cohen's Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUKK1H ) 1393801;1454399829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00056596 = 6.6217 BTC [+] 1393802;1454400012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00056362 = 11.6669 BTC [-] {3} 1393803;1454400439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00056497 = 1.8644 BTC [+] {2} 1393804;1454400524;punkman;https://github.com/hut8labs/diffscuss 1393805;1454400526;assbot;hut8labs/diffscuss: Code reviews. In plain... - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1m9P7uj ) 1393806;1454401082;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393709 << error() adds flag SERR by default: http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages#selection-1347.0-1375.1 1393807;1454401082;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 04:41:22; mircea_popescu: polarbeard + return error(SBLK "chain tip %s not found in the block index", hashBestChain.ToString().c_str()); << any reason this has only one flag ? 1393808;1454401083;assbot;polarbeard_better_log_messages ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvOZkA ) 1393809;1454401334;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393730 << I don't see how single quotes are a problem in practice, what valuable datapoints? 1393810;1454401334;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 05:08:04; mircea_popescu: so basically polarbeard here's the thing : i considered signing this, and i will consider signing the next version. as it is however i won't do that, because a) not all errors have both flags set ; b) occasional ' in error message ; c) occasional losing a valuable datapoint (such as the hash above) or missing on adding a useful one (nStart). 1393811;1454402940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14317 @ 0.00056482 = 8.0865 BTC [-] {3} 1393812;1454402987;mats;https://lwn.net/Articles/662953/ 1393813;1454402988;assbot;Linux Kernel Library [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1o1jO6l ) 1393814;1454403855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11630 @ 0.00056978 = 6.6265 BTC [+] {3} 1393815;1454403977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00056733 = 5.106 BTC [-] {3} 1393816;1454404282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5630 @ 0.00056982 = 3.2081 BTC [+] {2} 1393817;1454404404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00056582 = 6.9596 BTC [-] {2} 1393818;1454404670;BingoBoingo;mats: That was a disappointment. I was hoping to see someone store linux kernel as dead tree on shelves 1393819;1454405145;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW 1393820;1454405685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00056036 = 5.2674 BTC [-] {5} 1393821;1454405726;BingoBoingo;!up Nicknaem 1393822;1454405788;Nicknaem;i actually have nothing to say atm, was just checking out the channel :) 1393823;1454405936;Nicknaem;Greatly enjoyed some of the pieces on trilema, just wanted to see whats going on here 1393824;1454406008;BingoBoingo;Cool 1393825;1454406049;BingoBoingo;Just poke someone if you'd like to talk once this voicing expires 1393826;1454406079;Nicknaem;sure thx 1393827;1454406418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00056915 = 12.8059 BTC [+] {3} 1393828;1454407454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00056166 = 9.0989 BTC [-] {2} 1393829;1454407528;polarbeard;PeterL: a getpeerinfo backport patch for trb: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/db7909cba265c3c50c02 1393830;1454407531;assbot;polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUZhdH ) 1393831;1454407670;punkman;polarbeard: not bad, which version did you backport from? 1393832;1454407711;polarbeard;the nearest, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/1006f0707e34f8903f247195dabd86243ae61f05 1393833;1454407712;assbot;RPC: add 'getpeerinfo', returning easy-to-retrieve per-CNode data · bitcoin/bitcoin@1006f07 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q715gi ) 1393834;1454408252;punkman;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7456 1393835;1454408254;assbot;Suggestion: Marking of commits that fix vulnerabilities · Issue #7456 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2wH97 ) 1393836;1454408491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00056166 = 4.2967 BTC [-] 1393837;1454408553;polarbeard;punkman: interesting, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3A%22Priority+High%22+is%3Aclosed 1393838;1454408554;assbot;Pull Requests · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JV1hTk ) 1393839;1454409589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00056166 = 2.4713 BTC [-] 1393840;1454410931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18860 @ 0.00055872 = 10.5375 BTC [-] {5} 1393841;1454412639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9549 @ 0.0005563 = 5.3121 BTC [-] {2} 1393842;1454413310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00055824 = 1.6189 BTC [+] {2} 1393843;1454414103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0005563 = 3.8385 BTC [-] 1393844;1454415079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11826 @ 0.0005563 = 6.5788 BTC [-] 1393845;1454416970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0005563 = 6.5365 BTC [-] 1393846;1454418165;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393787 << these look ok, i will test and sign when i get a chance 1393847;1454418165;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 06:22:46; mod6: give these a compile & quick test if you don't mind and then upon confirmation, I'll update the mirror. 1393848;1454418165;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1393849;1454418522;BingoBoingo;Oh, princessnell returns with links to qntra https://reason.com/archives/2016/02/02/bitcoin-is-not-dead-but 1393850;1454418524;assbot;Bitcoin Isn't Dead—But It Is Threatened by Tech Infighting - Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/205CE8o ) 1393851;1454418861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.0005563 = 19.5261 BTC [-] {2} 1393852;1454418938;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/VerminSupreme/status/694373907411931136 1393853;1454418963;*;asciilifeform votes a straight vermin supreme ticket 1393854;1454419035;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393787 << these look ok, i will test and sign when i get a chance << cool, thx! 1393855;1454419035;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 06:22:46; mod6: give these a compile & quick test if you don't mind and then upon confirmation, I'll update the mirror. 1393856;1454419349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59000 @ 0.0005563 = 32.8217 BTC [-] 1393857;1454419379;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is there any other way to vote that doesn't involve doodling horsecocks on the ballot? 1393858;1454419462;BingoBoingo;In other news, the crap weather that lifted Rubio to a third place victory in Iowa has made it here. At least it's too warm to freeze here... so far... 1393859;1454419532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00056158 = 9.94 BTC [+] {4} 1393860;1454419959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00056447 = 2.9352 BTC [+] 1393861;1454420097;mircea_popescu;!up hdbuck 1393862;1454420201;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1393863;1454420209;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 373.72, vol: 6176.05880644 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 377.592, vol: 5769.2799 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.17, vol: 15590.4673899 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 379.99, vol: 2.33567734 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 380.0912, vol: 30229.46150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 375.56008, vol: 389.01040813 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 376.9125, vol: 55.11831967 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1393864;1454420213;BingoBoingo;;;more 1393865;1454420213;gribble;377.012769104 1393866;1454420219;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1393867;1454420224;gribble;Current Blocks: 396310 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 841 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 0 hours, 51 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1393868;1454420333;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393769 << yes, just as soon as that someone either a) gets out of childhood by putting some scratch together or b) gets out of senility by understanding which side the future's buttered on. 1393869;1454420333;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 05:50:41; adlai: shouldn't somebody who understands parimutuel betting better than the average bitbettor make nearly risk-free profit if the outcomes add up to "over 100%"? 1393870;1454420358;mircea_popescu;as the ancient rule says, "people will do the sane thing just as soon as all alternatives have been exhausted". 1393871;1454420730;BingoBoingo;Well, first they gotta make a Jim Crow Grand Lightning Network on top of BitBetBet results. 1393872;1454420816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393775 << http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ there's mathematical reasons you always derive a benefit from an odds differential. 1393873;1454420816;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 05:58:13; adlai: fight leeches with leeching; maybe reserving some capital for post-leech correction mitigates this 1393874;1454420817;assbot;How to cancel your BitBet bet. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGAFGn ) 1393875;1454420902;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393776 http://trilema.com/2012/advertising-on-digitalpoint/ ? or http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ ? or http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044 ? really tons of stuff, will need to be moar specific, this is just scratching the surface. 1393876;1454420902;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 06:09:12; mats: i'm looking for something either on trilema or the logs, about advertising fraud 1393877;1454420904;assbot;Advertising on DigitalPoint on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGB9fu ) 1393878;1454420905;assbot;You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGB8ID ) 1393879;1454420906;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGB9wb ) 1393880;1454420914;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo totally that lol. 1393881;1454420944;PeterL;for all the media trumpets who gets the "WIN!!" in each state, many of the primaries are not winner-take-all, so multiple candidates come away with delegates from each state 1393882;1454420979;PeterL;so with iowa delegates getting split between candidates, it really did not change the election at all 1393883;1454420984;BingoBoingo;PeterL yes. Hilary ended up turning a vote tie into a 6 delegate advantage late last night on... COIN FLIPS 1393884;1454421028;PeterL;maybe we should make it easier and skip the voting and go straight to a coin flip to decide the presidency? 1393885;1454421030;mircea_popescu;i would expect there's a lot of power brokering going on there. 1393886;1454421044;mircea_popescu;all those nobodies on capitol hill gotta derive their delusions of relevancy somehow. 1393887;1454421059;BingoBoingo;It's amazing 6 delegates were decided by coin flip and every coin flip was resolved in CLitler's favor 1393888;1454421059;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1393889;1454421098;PeterL;but Hillary has been "waiting her turn", so the party bosses are trying to get her in despite her being a horrible monster 1393890;1454421116;PeterL;not that Sanders is much better of a candidate 1393891;1454421119;mircea_popescu;ftr, i may be the only one left, but i don't think she's anything of a monster. 1393892;1454421134;PeterL;depends on who you ask, I guess 1393893;1454421157;PeterL;I certainly don't trust her 1393894;1454421163;mircea_popescu;the woman is intelligent and determined. certainly a lot less stupid than it is average for the us. she's no bush nor any kind of redditobama. 1393895;1454421198;mircea_popescu;PeterL you're not supposed to trust your ruler. you're supposed to feel threatened by them, i guess, or fear them, if you don't have a readier way to express submission in your own mind. 1393896;1454421229;PeterL;I know she's smart, but I don't expect her presidency to help me any 1393897;1454421232;mircea_popescu;people not trusting politico actually makes for one of the best recommendations they could have. 1393898;1454421239;mircea_popescu;in what sense help you ? 1393899;1454421247;BingoBoingo; but Hillary has been "waiting her turn", so the party bosses are trying to get her in despite her being a horrible monster << THis is how the GOP sank in 2008 with the lich, and 2012 with Rommit 1393900;1454421256;PeterL;at least Sanders is honest about what he is going to do 1393901;1454421262;mircea_popescu;which is ~nothing. 1393902;1454421301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00056447 = 1.383 BTC [+] 1393903;1454421303;PeterL;well, some candidates (Paul) might get in my way/wreck the country less than others 1393904;1454421330;mircea_popescu;the country is terminal tho. it's falling over on its own anyway. 1393905;1454421374;PeterL;but I figure some candidates are going to make it worse than others, and I think Clinton would be one of the worst 1393906;1454421396;mircea_popescu;anyway. in my detached view, this presidency is important for purely exterior reasons. the us, as it is, is irrelevant to everyone, including itself. the future of the us is mostly determined by the management of the image of the us, which is well divorced from the us of today, and a sort of future tendril of the us of 1970. 1393907;1454421403;BingoBoingo;I endorse parting the thing out and starting over. 1393908;1454421404;mircea_popescu;there will come a major pass with china, probably in the next five years. 1393909;1454421416;mircea_popescu;on the basis of how the american handles himself there, the immediate future is decided. 1393910;1454421423;mircea_popescu;for that task, she's probably the best hope. 1393911;1454421436;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo under foreign management ? 1393912;1454421468;PeterL;Split it up by state? Let each state decide where they want to go? 1393913;1454421487;PeterL;Or dissolve all the states and start over from scratch? 1393914;1454421493;mircea_popescu;this is the one bit us folk are too blinded by their own internal narcissus to grasp. you don't get to retry on your own as a failed state. you get put under the management of your neighbours, because you suck. it happened to the indian tribes in the same geography before, and they were extinctified by it. 1393915;1454421533;mircea_popescu;PeterL neither of those are options. a russian oregon alaska and washington, a chinese california, a mexican arizona nm and texas and a european protectorate all the way to ohio is much more likely 1393916;1454421547;mircea_popescu;than americans themselves having any say whatsoever in who gets to fuck their ass for the next ~century. 1393917;1454421561;PeterL;Can we sell ourselves to Canada? 1393918;1454421565;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Under foreign management, under the Bundy's, however 1393919;1454421571;mircea_popescu;no. canada becomes part of the split, goes to russia. 1393920;1454421592;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sadly, the alf totally dominates that field. the bundy's dun have what it takes. not even remotely. 1393921;1454421658;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, but mebbe the inspire the kid that did. 4 people left in Free Oregon lead by kid named Fry. Fry seems like he's staying a while since FBI killed his friend. 1393922;1454421672;mircea_popescu;four people and their dog aren't part of this discussion. 1393923;1454421698;BingoBoingo;Not yet. 1393924;1454421738;BingoBoingo;Anyways. The point is the Bundy fumbling has to happen for militia movement to develop which isn't 75% USG informant by weight. 1393925;1454421756;mircea_popescu;not even the usg itself is 75% usg by weight by now. 1393926;1454421767;mircea_popescu;just count the indians for a lul. 1393927;1454421799;mircea_popescu;or you think bhagwan chowdhry & the merry bunch actually have some sort of loyalty, or even any sort of conception of "US" ? 1393928;1454421819;mircea_popescu;the maggot language doesn't have a word for "corpse", and certainly not one for the corpse's ex-marital status. 1393929;1454421832;BingoBoingo;I don't know that the Indian bureaucrats like Preet can think any other way. 1393930;1454421871;BingoBoingo;But the point is the Shaun Bridges have to stop falling for the trap where they reveal their Gobag&fortune to loyalists. 1393931;1454421916;mircea_popescu;yeah, which will happen five minutes after the usg stops hiring idiots, which will happen half hour after anyone who's not an idiot stops exclusively dedicating himself to the republic, which happens after i'm fucking dead, i should hope. 1393932;1454421972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00056519 = 4.9454 BTC [+] {3} 1393933;1454422070;BingoBoingo;!up ahmedbodi 1393934;1454422113;mircea_popescu;o.O 1393935;1454422345;mircea_popescu;mod6 ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/20D5709 1393936;1454422347;assbot;dpaste: 20D5709 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwNJH ) 1393937;1454422385;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dood dat ass! 1393938;1454422446;BingoBoingo;Olympian ass! 1393939;1454422485;mircea_popescu;trinque so not with the intent to pressure you, but : is deedbot patch insertion likely to come online soon or should i re-learn how to do it via email ? 1393940;1454422566;BingoBoingo;Ah, monthly report deed finally posted, ty trinque http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-396189-3.txt 1393941;1454422567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxdQh ) 1393942;1454422579;BingoBoingo;wait 1393943;1454422611;BingoBoingo;Fuck I wrote December instead of January in the first line 1393944;1454422664;mircea_popescu;lol 1393945;1454422744;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PF3JHK.txt 1393946;1454422746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGeL5I ) 1393947;1454422754;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/qntra-s-qntr-january-2016-report/ 1393948;1454422758;assbot;Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2016 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGeNe6 ) 1393949;1454422758;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1393950;1454422832;BingoBoingo;But in the positive side, 20 more posts than December while wordcount stayed rather steady. 1393951;1454422881;BingoBoingo;On downside fucking old backup restorating clusterfuck induced error in December 1393952;1454422921;*;mod6 looks 1393953;1454423192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00056227 = 1.0683 BTC [-] {2} 1393954;1454423194;mod6;we're about to get some snow. not as bad as IA tho. 1393955;1454423314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00056829 = 9.5189 BTC [+] {3} 1393956;1454423742;PeterL;;;seen dignork 1393957;1454423743;gribble;dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 51 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js 1393958;1454423756;PeterL;;;seen artifexd 1393959;1454423757;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 40 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1393960;1454423806;PeterL;;;seen diametric 1393961;1454423806;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 15 hours, 41 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: not sure that makes it a trivial non-crime at that point. 1393962;1454423863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00055565 = 10.6963 BTC [-] {2} 1393963;1454424208;mircea_popescu;ok so does anyone have a ready link or fresh context in head re that discussion recently (~month) of that british game publisher that went under with 20mn investment ? 1393964;1454424219;mircea_popescu;one of the founders was arguing it shouldn't get govt support, just let it die 1393965;1454424564;deedbot-;[Qntra] Turmoil Lead To Mizzou Credit Outlook Downgrade - http://qntra.net/2016/02/turmoil-lead-to-mizzou-credit-outlook-downgrade/ 1393966;1454425022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22772 @ 0.00056982 = 12.9759 BTC [+] {4} 1393967;1454425083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4885 @ 0.00057044 = 2.7866 BTC [+] 1393968;1454425144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00057044 = 9.783 BTC [+] 1393969;1454425660;phf;polarbeard: PeterL: a getpeerinfo backport patch for trb: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/db7909cba265c3c50c02 << http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc 1393970;1454425661;assbot;polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUZhdH ) 1393971;1454425662;assbot;polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9IMqQ ) 1393972;1454425720;phf;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000205.html mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000206.html << http://btcbase.org/patches/programmable-versionstring http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum 1393973;1454425721;assbot;[BTC-dev] Programmable Version String - Integrated Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1SV8ANu ) 1393974;1454425721;assbot;[BTC-dev] Regrind of malleus_mikehearnificarum vpatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SV8Bkr ) 1393975;1454425722;assbot;programmable-versionstring ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9ISia ) 1393976;1454425723;assbot;malleus_mikehearnificarum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9ISic ) 1393977;1454425840;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3ZVB0BG.txt 1393978;1454425842;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nKwRcE ) 1393979;1454425843;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1393980;1454425950;mod6;phf: neat! 1393981;1454425984;dignork;PeterL: I'm lurking 1393982;1454425986;phf;i'm just doing manual labour until i get an uploader of some sort 1393983;1454426022;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b37 1393984;1454426121;phf;fwiw the graph is still not quite right, i.e. shows presses that couldn't happen. 1393985;1454426215;mircea_popescu;excuse the naive approach, but isn't that sort of thing precisely what lisp is supposed to by its nature prevent ? 1393986;1454426257;PeterL;you mean lisp is less magical than they say? 1393987;1454426262;phf;nah, my graph theory is rusty, and figuring out the right algo is a slow mind grinding process 1393988;1454426263;mircea_popescu;if you're going to get an endless slog of obscure bugs that came from nowhere and aren't apparently anything, why not just use something that actually has libraries ? 1393989;1454426288;mircea_popescu;PeterL hey, i'm a dialectician over here :D 1393990;1454426301;phf;there's no library substitute for thinking. the "bug" is not obscure, it's just not implemented right :> 1393991;1454426306;BingoBoingo;libraries don't help make the graph theory learning faster 1393992;1454426314;mircea_popescu;lol k. 1393993;1454426325;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that is EXACTLY what they help. 1393994;1454426344;mircea_popescu;the role of libraries is exactly like the role of the fridge in the supermarket : "here's this capsule of other people's thinking so you don't have to" 1393995;1454426373;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That was a library. 1393996;1454426390;mircea_popescu;which is how the entire world (except brazil) enjoys the benefits of refrigeration, even as there's maybe a guy in a thousand people that could explain how it actually works. 1393997;1454426391;BingoBoingo;Library now means Ycombinator floaty arm things 1393998;1454426396;BingoBoingo;!Up ascii_butugychag 1393999;1454426775;deedbot-;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-january-2016-statement/ 1394000;1454426785;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393920 << l0ltr0n 1394001;1454426785;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 13:59:52; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sadly, the alf totally dominates that field. the bundy's dun have what it takes. not even remotely. 1394002;1454426791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00056892 = 8.9605 BTC [-] {2} 1394003;1454426820;mircea_popescu;hey, i don't deny a man his right. 1394004;1454426861;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393927 << the indians have the standard, entirely ordinary loyalty of the rest of usg, but hypertrophied: loyalty to the hand that feeds, supplies nice condo, fat retirement, princeyaletonward for the kidz 1394005;1454426861;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 14:03:19; mircea_popescu: or you think bhagwan chowdhry & the merry bunch actually have some sort of loyalty, or even any sort of conception of "US" ? 1394006;1454426883;mircea_popescu;more complicated. 1394007;1454426900;mircea_popescu;for instance, another hand would feed them if they went nude dancing. they don't. 1394008;1454426906;mircea_popescu;yet another if they went oil rigging. they don't. 1394009;1454426914;mircea_popescu;they have a very narrow cage through which they might be fed. 1394010;1454426980;ascii_butugychag;the activities listed above are a) actual work, that involves not sitting in a climate-controlled chair all day b) really needs having been raised 'free range' chicken instead of cage-born 1394011;1454427023;ascii_butugychag;do you recall the photo of a very peculiar boar that kakobrekla once posted ? 1394012;1454427027;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless. it's not merely the hand that feeds. 1394013;1454427032;ascii_butugychag;the one who was so fat that he could not even see 1394014;1454427036;mircea_popescu;it's the hand that can be arsed to make it through the mental cage. 1394015;1454427045;ascii_butugychag;picture wild boar paying him a visit, 'let's go for acorns??' 1394016;1454427120;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393972 << this is glorious. 1394017;1454427120;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 15:08:40; phf: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000205.html mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000206.html << http://btcbase.org/patches/programmable-versionstring http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum 1394018;1454427306;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393994 << ahahahahaha l0l this would be true if computing were an actually adult field, like refrigeration 1394019;1454427306;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 15:19:04; mircea_popescu: the role of libraries is exactly like the role of the fridge in the supermarket : "here's this capsule of other people's thinking so you don't have to" 1394020;1454427317;ascii_butugychag;as it is, 'here is a capsule of other people's shit' 1394021;1454427411;mircea_popescu;yawell. 1394022;1454427462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19032 @ 0.00056752 = 10.801 BTC [-] {3} 1394023;1454427478;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1393939 << I have time this weekend to give it a look. What's the spec here? 1394024;1454427478;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 14:14:45; mircea_popescu: trinque so not with the intent to pressure you, but : is deedbot patch insertion likely to come online soon or should i re-learn how to do it via email ? 1394025;1454427479;ascii_butugychag;one must apprehend the ~systemic~ braindamage: 1394026;1454427498;ascii_butugychag;picture if somehow the phlogiston theory had, by way of sheer accident, resulted in the building of a sorta-working refrigerator. 1394027;1454427504;ascii_butugychag;which then went into mass production. 1394028;1454427527;ascii_butugychag;phlogiston/caloric, rather 1394029;1454427564;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1d14385a-c678-45ee-8e23-bf8860cbe04d/?raw=true << I seem to be getting alot of these error messages, should I be concerned (connected to Dulap)? 1394030;1454427565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/2062uZU ) 1394031;1454427587;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: bastard tx 1394032;1454427606;PeterL;why is your node sending me bastard txen? 1394033;1454427610;ascii_butugychag;from your node's pov 1394034;1454427617;ascii_butugychag;you don't yet have the block they rely on 1394035;1454427620;PeterL;aha 1394036;1454427620;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno, jurov was saying something about email, but that seems silly. just allow the import of files and piss them out as a json i guess ? 1394037;1454427621;ascii_butugychag;dulap - did 1394038;1454427634;trinque;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1ce82d1d-1d42-4d3e-a45d-82d08c6eab7a/?raw=true << btcd's new thing, stops syncing entirely until restarted 1394039;1454427635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/2062Hfv ) 1394040;1454427637;ascii_butugychag;why this situation can persist for more than a few seconds, is a question to be asked of shitoshi 1394041;1454427640;trinque;meanwhile trb node at 393k, today is the day... 1394042;1454427643;mircea_popescu;hey jurov phf ascii_butugychag everyone else with an interest : let's get a format for bot-ml-etc interoperability ? 1394043;1454427654;ascii_butugychag;aha! 1394044;1454427674;ascii_butugychag;how about !patch PATCH.vpatch SIG.somebody.sig 1394045;1454427677;jurov;deedbot? 1394046;1454427736;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394038 << get rid of the heathen thing already 1394047;1454427736;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 15:40:34; trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1ce82d1d-1d42-4d3e-a45d-82d08c6eab7a/?raw=true << btcd's new thing, stops syncing entirely until restarted 1394048;1454427744;trinque;TODAY 1394049;1454427749;trinque;his death comes today 1394050;1454427768;trinque;jurov proposed that deedbot- start taking detached sigs the other day 1394051;1454427775;trinque;ascii_butugychag: in that form 1394052;1454427789;mircea_popescu;jurov well it's already here, already takes dpastes, not so bad no ? 1394053;1454427794;ascii_butugychag;neato 1394054;1454427809;ascii_butugychag;did we ever figure out how to dpaste without mutilation ? 1394055;1454427832;trinque;does ben_vulpes' mutilate ? 1394056;1454427835;PeterL;did we decide if wotpaste fixes the mutilation issue? 1394057;1454427840;trinque;could get the thing a shorter domain 1394058;1454427866;phf;issue was with html input boxes adding #\newline#\return 1394059;1454427869;PeterL;and could the raw be default? 1394060;1454427911;phf;i think cascadian solution was to strip #\return on incoming posts? 1394061;1454427948;phf;but curl works reliably on any of the posting services. or anyway anything that can do an http post without fucking up the payload 1394062;1454427959;jurov;mircea_popescu: i wait for deedbot to accept files and *detached signatures*, no dpaste braindamage 1394063;1454428001;mircea_popescu;jurov respectfully an' all that, but : didn't we test dpaste and it came out that it mangled nothing ? 1394064;1454428039;jurov;i was not aware of these tests. and what if some day it will? 1394065;1454428085;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353760 1394066;1454428085;assbot;Logged on 26-12-2015 05:30:02; phf: (drakma:http-request (concatenate 'string (cdr (assoc :location (nth-value 2 (drakma:http-request "http://dpaste.com/api/v2/" :method :post :parameters `(("content" . ,(concatenate 'string "foo" '(#\Newline) "bar"))))))) ".txt") :force-binary t) 1394067;1454428149;mircea_popescu;jurov that's a problem yeah 1394068;1454428370;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1394069;1454428436;ascii_butugychag;so there's a proggy i've been testin' 1394070;1454428445;ascii_butugychag;not fit for battlefield yet 1394071;1454428453;ascii_butugychag;and not sure if this is even The Right Thing 1394072;1454428490;ascii_butugychag;you ask for a pgptronic random turd, a la assbot, it gets enciphered to your pubkey (if you are in l1) 1394073;1454428524;ascii_butugychag;this gets fed into a small proggy on your box, which now knows where to connect, and what the symmetric cipher key is 1394074;1454428538;ascii_butugychag;the latter enciphers a plain tcp tunnel. 1394075;1454428552;ascii_butugychag;on other side is the same thing, started for just one session, with same key 1394076;1454428559;ascii_butugychag;and on the other side of that, e.g., anon ftp. 1394077;1454428590;mircea_popescu;so like minigossip 1394078;1454428592;mircea_popescu;mossip 1394079;1454428599;ascii_butugychag;draft name, 'g' 1394080;1454428600;ascii_butugychag;(gate) 1394081;1454428615;BingoBoingo;interesting 1394082;1454428620;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes wanted some warez, and i realized that we haven't the most elementary provisions for warez 1394083;1454428624;ascii_butugychag;and dusted this ancient thing off 1394084;1454428646;ascii_butugychag;but not quite ready to fire in anger yet, this is a world-exposed sorta thing and needs to be 'measure 777 times, cut once' 1394085;1454428676;ascii_butugychag;but i wanted to put this basic summary here, in case i get flattened by a bus or whatnot tonight. 1394086;1454428716;ascii_butugychag;anybody got a favourite symmetric cipher, incidentally ? 1394087;1454428763;mircea_popescu;cramer shoup! 1394088;1454428770;ascii_butugychag;symmetric plox 1394089;1454428818;mircea_popescu;ugh. 1394090;1454428835;jurov;rot13 1394091;1454428836;mircea_popescu;you know, it's just like you that you'd ask about the one hole. 1394092;1454428842;mircea_popescu;there's no good symmetric cypher. 1394093;1454428845;ascii_butugychag;^ 1394094;1454428857;ascii_butugychag;but so many perfectly decent bad ones! l0l 1394095;1454428900;*;ascii_butugychag specializes in 'the one hole', aha 1394096;1454428980;ascii_butugychag;btw how come nobody uses blum-blum-shub, which provably reduces to quadratic residuosity hardness, as a block cipher ? 1394097;1454429022;mircea_popescu;expensive, wasn't it ? 1394098;1454429045;ascii_butugychag;possibly this, but possibly the proof is dodgy 1394099;1454429055;ascii_butugychag;iirc it has some fine points 1394100;1454429103;mircea_popescu;this is actually a good call for wisdoms. what's the #b-a symmetric cypher ? 1394101;1454429111;mircea_popescu;beats nist certification. speak up. 1394102;1454429205;ascii_butugychag;http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/3454/blum-blum-shub-vs-aes-ctr-or-other-csprngs << good bits of this read rather usgtronic 1394103;1454429206;assbot;Blum Blum Shub vs. AES-CTR or other CSPRNGs - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwQsay ) 1394104;1454429226;ascii_butugychag;'it's slow and there are boojums and didja know it's slow??...' 1394105;1454429237;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blum%E2%80%93Goldwasser_cryptosystem this says it uses blum-blum-shub 1394106;1454429237;assbot;Blum–Goldwasser cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwQzmp ) 1394107;1454429448;ascii_butugychag;http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-January/019426.html << motherfucking fud 1394108;1454429449;assbot;[Cryptography] Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor: a proof of concept ... ( http://bit.ly/2067gGQ ) 1394109;1454429461;ascii_butugychag;'pushes the problem down to your rng' which 'of course' can never work 1394110;1454429479;mircea_popescu;well... can it ? 1394111;1454429481;ascii_butugychag;... because the pope said, or somesuch 1394112;1454429488;*;mircea_popescu pounds down on his empty cardano box 1394113;1454429522;ascii_butugychag;l0l mircea_popescu has the rng! could be swimming in rngola 1394114;1454429544;mircea_popescu;NO! because reasons! 1394115;1454429578;ascii_butugychag;!s jon callas 1394116;1454429579;assbot;2 results for 'jon callas' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jon+callas 1394117;1454429583;ascii_butugychag;hm 1394118;1454429605;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082858 << ahahahahaha 1394119;1454429605;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2015 21:20:02; *: ascii_field listened (in car) to an infuriatingly zimmermanish interview with jon callas (former pgp, now 'silent circle' garbage) 1394120;1454429625;mircea_popescu;""Many people who haven't thought it through have sung its praises over the years, mostly because they got seduced by the sound theoretic basis. Blum-Blum-Shub has two of the three flaws that DUAL_EC_DRBG has: it's slow, and you can't prove it secure. 1394121;1454429629;mircea_popescu;ahaha what is this inept bullshit ? 1394122;1454429638;ascii_butugychag;'Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle' 1394123;1454429643;mircea_popescu;THOSE are "the flaws" plural of nsa-back\door ? 1394124;1454429677;ascii_butugychag;whole turd worth reading, but for pro entomologists strictly ! 1394125;1454429713;ascii_butugychag;i now strongly suspect that blumblumshub can be proven to equal rsa in hardness 1394126;1454429721;ascii_butugychag;BUT i do not know this proof, and it is not public. 1394127;1454429756;ascii_butugychag;what we are seeing in callas and the shitoverflow derp is akin to the horizon of black hole 1394128;1454429756;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag incidentally, if you'll excuse the naive approach : couldn't in principle any p-and-q scheme be made to have a mutating p-and-q ? 1394129;1454429760;mircea_popescu;let me express this better. 1394130;1454429778;ascii_butugychag;we cannot see the dense matter at the center, but can see the derpwalls around 1394131;1454429786;mircea_popescu;isn't any "rsa-like" symmetric cypher basically an immature or partial implementation of 1394132;1454429797;mircea_popescu;well... hm. 1394133;1454429907;mircea_popescu;i dunno what i want here. nm. 1394134;1454429926;ascii_butugychag;(i must mention, for completeness, that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz) 1394135;1454430145;ascii_butugychag;it is interesting, to me, how the derpwall of 'don't go there! dragons!' always has quite the same appearance, from a mile away 1394136;1454430155;mircea_popescu;"This is interesting because nowhere do they address the central engineering issue -- that a fixed p,q is not secure yet a variable one requires another RNG to seed the RNG." << except the part where a prng IS NOT A RNG 1394137;1454430159;mircea_popescu;such thick. 1394138;1454430163;ascii_butugychag;like the standard fortifications around usg pissholes 1394139;1454430201;ascii_butugychag;this isn't 'thick', it is cheap confabulation and obfuscation 1394140;1454430403;mircea_popescu;remidn me, do p and q have to be primes or relatively prime in bss ? 1394141;1454430506;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1394142;1454430509;ascii_butugychag;if they aren't prime, you're using multiprime rsa and if your smallest prime is small, you get, e.g., pollard-rho'd 1394143;1454430535;mircea_popescu;ah yes 1394144;1454430573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5259 @ 0.0005679 = 2.9866 BTC [+] {2} 1394145;1454430645;mircea_popescu;the quadratic residuity issue makes me think fermat primes should be somewhere involved in all this 1394146;1454430699;ascii_butugychag;i always found it interesting that, after all of the $maxint spent on both sides of the ocean on symmetric crypto (see maslennikov's b00k, from the l0gz, say) we have - publicly - no more provably-hard symmetric crypto than a hundred years ago 1394147;1454430704;mircea_popescu;what happens say if q is a primitive root modulo p ? 1394148;1454430705;ascii_butugychag;that is, vernam (otp) and that's IT 1394149;1454430719;mircea_popescu;the problem is not necessarily tractable! 1394150;1454430815;ascii_butugychag;didn't say it were. 1394151;1454430830;ascii_butugychag;just that none of the results, positive or negative, leaked out. 1394152;1454430836;ascii_butugychag;(to where i could find'em) 1394153;1454430862;ascii_butugychag;this'd be a neato use for mircea_popescu's network of little birds, incidentally 1394154;1454430885;mircea_popescu;a one ounce bird can not carry a two pound coconut! 1394155;1454430897;ascii_butugychag;can carry the smell. 1394156;1454430914;mircea_popescu;if coconuts smelled ... 1394157;1454430919;ascii_butugychag;and the one-bit, 'i saw a coconut' 1394158;1454430929;ascii_butugychag;like noah's pigeon. 1394159;1454430932;mircea_popescu;it'd be easier for it to carry one than to see one. 1394160;1454430974;mircea_popescu;don't get me wrong, your point is well taken. just... 1394161;1454431043;ascii_butugychag;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << obligatory oldie, from my www; i will note that most of the proprietary ciphers are known to be symmetric. 1394162;1454431047;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl ) 1394163;1454431083;mircea_popescu;also known to not work, by and large. 1394164;1454431098;ascii_butugychag;if mircea_popescu knows this, he oughta share 1394165;1454431107;ascii_butugychag;because nobody else (at least not humans) does. 1394166;1454431122;mircea_popescu;what am i to share, a scent ? 1394167;1454431128;ascii_butugychag;sure why not 1394168;1454431140;mircea_popescu;i shared it like three times to date when this thread came up! 1394169;1454431149;mircea_popescu;you're always "wake me up when there's steak" 1394170;1454431161;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1394171;1454431214;ascii_butugychag;btw if you read that article, my hypothesis was that the usg ciphers are specially built to fail in a particular way. 1394172;1454431287;mircea_popescu;i recall us discussing old soviet machines re that also 1394173;1454431488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21013 @ 0.00056744 = 11.9236 BTC [-] {3} 1394174;1454431601;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: maslennikov actually discusses at great length why 'GOST' cipher, which is a cruddy knockoff of DES, was adopted 1394175;1454431607;ascii_butugychag;he claims that it was disinfo. 1394176;1454431621;ascii_butugychag;to 'guard the precious su proprietary cipherz' 1394177;1454431639;mircea_popescu;heh 1394178;1454431645;ascii_butugychag;the latter, he explains, sank with the rest of atlantis 1394179;1454431649;mircea_popescu;you know why fat women on okcupid aren't getting laid ? 1394180;1454431661;ascii_butugychag;guard their precious eggs, aha 1394181;1454431664;mircea_popescu;they're guarding their precious proprietary meat curtains. for what ? FOR A GUY THAT DESERVES THEM DAMNIT 1394182;1454431676;ascii_butugychag;similar. 1394183;1454431757;mircea_popescu;same place the us is keeping its real economy! 1394184;1454431915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0005691 = 2.0488 BTC [+] {3} 1394185;1454431964;ascii_butugychag;my suspicion is that neither side has a block or stream cipher of provable hardness 1394186;1454431985;ascii_butugychag;(cipher in the non-otp sense) 1394187;1454432009;mircea_popescu;"the proof of hardness is at the point of a spear" 1394188;1454432024;mircea_popescu;neither side of the 3-4 sides involved EVEN COMPREHENDS what that'd be, let alone why they'd want it. 1394189;1454432034;ascii_butugychag;mno 1394190;1454432040;mircea_popescu;and the most exposed of the lot (the islamists) show quite clearly how it works. 1394191;1454432042;ascii_butugychag;it isn't a difficult concept 1394192;1454432057;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1394193;1454432075;mircea_popescu;to imagine the indian-us is any different is laughable. 1394194;1454432104;ascii_butugychag;nsa complex is not indian - yet 1394195;1454432107;mircea_popescu;to this fucking day "security" in the us is "he knew your mother's maiden name so clearly he was you" "what if my mother was a whore ?" 1394196;1454432111;mircea_popescu;heh. 1394197;1454432123;ascii_butugychag;(has bizarre schutzstaffel-esque aryan thing going) 1394198;1454432150;ascii_butugychag;that's pleeb seek000rity 1394199;1454432164;mircea_popescu;that "bizarre schutzstaffel-esque aryan thing going" is the VERY DEFINITION of indian 1394200;1454432173;mircea_popescu;what did you think indian meant, "smells of cardamom" ? 1394201;1454432189;ascii_butugychag;aha 1394202;1454432192;mircea_popescu;there's a reason the nazis were regarded as barely better than the russians back in the day. 1394203;1454432199;mircea_popescu;certainly a step back for germany. 1394204;1454432297;ascii_butugychag;anyway what i meant was, they have a pedigreed white meat thing going 1394205;1454432301;ascii_butugychag;since the beginning 1394206;1454432308;ascii_butugychag;see, e.g., snowden 1394207;1454432320;mircea_popescu;when they start with "don't say nigger to be civilised and don't go topless to go to heaven", they took a step back. which means a step east. they're less greek and more indian. 1394208;1454432337;mircea_popescu;no i know what you meant. it is SPECIFICALLY inferior in this specific manner we call "indian". 1394209;1454432353;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1394210;1454432386;ascii_butugychag;i tend to associate this with old brit and ru empires, officers with purchased commissions, imbecilic commanders, 'blue blood.' 1394211;1454432404;ascii_butugychag;cia as per ~its own~ official histories admits being an org made of 'second sons' 1394212;1454432421;ascii_butugychag;(of commercial aristos, who did not have quite enough to bequeath to each son) 1394213;1454432497;mircea_popescu;officers with purchased commissions is not in any sense a bad idea ~per se~. would you be lead by some schmuck fresh out of west point or by some dude who made and spent 10k btc to lead you ? 1394214;1454432534;ascii_butugychag;the 10k are more likely to belong to buterin 1394215;1454432538;mircea_popescu;i'll take my chances with the dude who spent actual money to get there. 1394216;1454432540;ascii_butugychag;than to anybody who 'made' 1394217;1454432553;mircea_popescu;which is the problem here. purchased comissions are not the problem - fake money is. 1394218;1454432568;ascii_butugychag;buterin has (had?) a trunk of perfectly genuine money. 1394219;1454432596;mircea_popescu;west point hasn't had a worthy officer come out of it since before you were born. 1394220;1454432614;mircea_popescu;chances are chances. 1394221;1454432624;ascii_butugychag;i thought mircea_popescu taught us that they quit making worthy officers some time around 1800 1394222;1454432681;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the whole caste bullshit is specifically indian. it is a cheap and simple solution to "what to do when confronted with multitudes and unwilling to think" 1394223;1454432692;mircea_popescu;which is why it fits so well to the needs and capacities of the us today. 1394224;1454432697;ascii_butugychag;anyway the funniest thing is that nobody cancelled purchased commissions, and other simonies - they are simply brokered through the credential racketeers now 1394225;1454432706;ascii_butugychag;(e.g., harvard tuition is what, exactly.) 1394226;1454432710;mircea_popescu;they CAN NOT be cancelled. 1394227;1454432717;mircea_popescu;you don't get to soft fork things. 1394228;1454432767;ascii_butugychag;!s buluceala 1394229;1454432768;assbot;6 results for 'buluceala' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buluceala 1394230;1454432976;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1394231;1454433010;mircea_popescu;anyway : there was a short time in the history of europe (and therefore the world) where the masses figured that they're in power and since they didn't know what else to do, decided to promote entertainers to leadership positions. 1394232;1454433018;mircea_popescu;which is how hitler ended up stuck moving divisions on a map 1394233;1454433035;mircea_popescu;the tragedy of the austrian painter being that the fucking divisions were wholy imaginary throughout his tenure 1394234;1454433057;mircea_popescu;that actual items moved in seeming lockstep with this for a while is not really germane. 1394235;1454433102;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so wordpress is retarded. 1394236;1454433104;mircea_popescu;the folly of purchasing one's commission with song, dance and merriment should be plainly apparent by now. 1394237;1454433110;thestringpuller;theme-editor is all "You don't have permissions 1394238;1454433111;thestringpuller;" 1394239;1454433120;mircea_popescu;i dunno what that is. 1394240;1454433123;thestringpuller;I su into the user that php is running from edit the file 1394241;1454433128;thestringpuller;and it's like "Yup I can do this" 1394242;1454433144;thestringpuller;but when you do php f_open It's all "file can't be opened for writing permission denied" 1394243;1454433147;thestringpuller;wtf php 1394244;1454433257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00056645 = 3.0022 BTC [-] {2} 1394245;1454434119;mod6;shiva did expose a defect in v99996 of V (line 420), in one of the graphing subroutines (add_desc_src_files). the rest is fine. locally added simple conditinal check to see if the node is empty seems to have fixed it. 1394246;1454434143;ascii_butugychag;shiva, or tinyscheme-genesis ? 1394247;1454434146;mod6;here's a screenshot of the graph after the fix was applied (locally): 1394248;1454434147;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/btcf/vpatch-tree-wShiva.png 1394249;1454434148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVKRdu ) 1394250;1454434182;mod6;i don't have tinyscheme-genesis in my patches dir. just shiva 1_of_2 and shiva 2_of_2 + the shiva fix. 1394251;1454434388;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1394252;1454434392;ascii_butugychag;mod6: ok now i see 1394253;1454434439;ascii_butugychag;btw, educational exercise for anybody interested in shiva: diff ~the vpatches~ shiva-part-1 and the tinyscheme-genesis aggregate. 1394254;1454434450;ascii_butugychag;you should get a diff consisting solely of pathnames. 1394255;1454434487;ascii_butugychag;this, if you will, is a 'bridge' meta-patch. 1394256;1454434505;ascii_butugychag;i did not sign it, because we have no mechanical provisions for processing such a thing, nor is it a long-term goal 1394257;1454434538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00056643 = 10.3657 BTC [-] {2} 1394258;1454434843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18139 @ 0.0005703 = 10.3447 BTC [+] {2} 1394259;1454436079;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393896 << http://www.atruechurch.info/women.html >> Although God has in the past placed women in authority over men (e.g. Judges 4:4), and even today the Lord places women in authority over men (e.g. Romans 13:1), this is nonetheless a shameful reality, as Isaiah illustrates. (Isaiah 3:12) 1394260;1454436079;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 13:53:49; PeterL: I know she's smart, but I don't expect her presidency to help me any 1394261;1454436080;assbot;A True Church - Scriptural View Of Women ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqIFOd ) 1394262;1454436086;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393853 << I met the guy at both PaulFest and PorcFest (pictured https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg:large ) 1394263;1454436086;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 13:16:03; *: asciilifeform votes a straight vermin supreme ticket 1394264;1454436087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqIIcM ) 1394265;1454436612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00055632 = 10.0138 BTC [-] {2} 1394266;1454436886;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1394267;1454438075;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: roger 1394268;1454438198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26995 @ 0.00056009 = 15.1196 BTC [+] 1394269;1454438320;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc << now this, i will review. thank you, polarbeard 1394270;1454438322;assbot;polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9IMqQ ) 1394271;1454438564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5499 @ 0.00057043 = 3.1368 BTC [+] {2} 1394272;1454439113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4039 @ 0.00056066 = 2.2645 BTC [-] {2} 1394273;1454439262;jurov;so, was anything worked out yet between turdatron and deedbot? 1394274;1454439445;jurov;or should i figure how to shoehorn .vpatch+ .vpatch.sig to dpaste? 1394275;1454439463;jurov;or alf definitely proclaimed turdatron obsolete? 1394276;1454439524;jurov;trinque ascii_butugychag mod6 ^ 1394277;1454439531;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1394278;1454439656;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1394279;1454439765;shinohai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0MPQ1CH.txt 1394280;1454439766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20EMmRm ) 1394281;1454439781;deedbot-;imported: 260FA57BCE677A5C04BF60BA4A75883CC1B1D34C 1394282;1454439861;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394055 << not on receipt afaik, only returns \n for \r and \r\n 1394283;1454439861;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 15:43:52; trinque: does ben_vulpes' mutilate ? 1394284;1454439914;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394079 << /me would read 1394285;1454439914;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 15:56:39; ascii_butugychag: draft name, 'g' 1394286;1454439981;ben_vulpes;;;later tell adlai is this in reference to the tweet referencing a blog post referencing a reddit thinger? 1394287;1454439981;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1394288;1454440154;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.25000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b85 1394289;1454440312;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394262 << epic 1394290;1454440312;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 18:01:26; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393853 << I met the guy at both PaulFest and PorcFest (pictured https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg:large ) 1394291;1454440549;ascii_butugychag;https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/08/14/760732/10145672/en/CipherLoc-Corporation-Announces-Today-That-Cipher-Block-Chaining-Mode-Has-Been-Broken-With-Results-Presented-at-DEFCON-Conference.html << vintage crapolade, lulzy 1394292;1454440551;assbot;CipherLoc Corporation Announces Today That Cipher Block Chaining Mode Has Been Broken With Results Presented at DEFCON Conference Other OTC:CLOK ... ( http://bit.ly/20EOdFL ) 1394293;1454441271;jurov;!up princessnell 1394294;1454441278;jurov;hello, long time no see 1394295;1454441303;ben_vulpes;https://medium.com/@hellopicoc/this-black-owned-portland-business-will-disappear-without-your-help-21f9fa195d78#.cywj4lxdv << it's a business! it's a charity! it's some people who failed to invest in their property for decades and now want everyone else to shoulder the burden of bringing their property up to code! 1394296;1454441304;assbot;This black-owned Portland business will disappear without your help. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYsypm ) 1394297;1454441431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9919 @ 0.00055876 = 5.5423 BTC [-] 1394298;1454441669;ben_vulpes;g'morning princessnell 1394299;1454441690;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1394300;1454441750;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: played with shiva yet ? 1394301;1454441953;princessnell;thanks. howdy ben_vulpes + all 1394302;1454442061;jurov;princessnell: you have here 15675 s.qntr shares, want to do anything with them? 1394303;1454442064;danielpbarron;hi there :) 1394304;1454442118;ascii_butugychag;the 64 gigazimbabwedollar question: 1394305;1454442127;ascii_butugychag;is princessnell named after the 'diamond age' heroine. 1394306;1454442712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.0005548 = 9.1542 BTC [-] {2} 1394307;1454442825;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag wassat ? 1394308;1454442827;mircea_popescu;hey princessnell 1394309;1454442872;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: b00k. neal stephenson. quite lulzy 1394310;1454442933;ascii_butugychag;had little gurl, nell, who illicitly found a robotic tutor who gave her puzzles about 'princess nell' and taught her to survive in the Dark Fyootoor (tm) 1394311;1454442956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4054 @ 0.00055875 = 2.2652 BTC [+] {2} 1394312;1454442972;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113441 << in other news apparently the anme is joshua unseth 1394313;1454442973;assbot;Who made this ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYyRcl ) 1394314;1454442999;ascii_butugychag;'diamond age' is prolly closest thing i know to a fictional portrayal of... tmsr 1394315;1454443011;princessnell;ascii_butugychag yes. i am lame. 1394316;1454443027;princessnell;hey mircea_popescu. all goes well in the kingdom? 1394317;1454443043;mircea_popescu;http://junseth.com/ << not actually terribru. 1394318;1454443045;assbot;#savetherobots ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYz9QK ) 1394319;1454443083;mircea_popescu;princessnell well for one thing it's a republic and for the other http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390659 1394320;1454443083;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 04:36:34; mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-5 1394321;1454443218;mircea_popescu;hdbuck you know you're leaking ip. 1394322;1454443219;mircea_popescu;!up hdbuck 1394323;1454443225;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot hdbuck 1394324;1454443225;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=hdbuck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hdbuck/ 1394325;1454443232;mircea_popescu;and also you can self-voice. 1394326;1454443246;hdbuck;ah, sure i know 1394327;1454443256;mircea_popescu;princessnell and how goes with you ? ready to do some serious newswork jet ? 1394328;1454443515;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1394329;1454443525;mircea_popescu;jurov> so, was anything worked out yet between turdatron and deedbot? << not so far. 1394330;1454443554;mircea_popescu;do you mind holding my hand again while i try to send stuff to this ? 1394331;1454443608;hdbuck;mircea, about all that ‘proposal’ of yours, isnt it somehow sealing the 1MB limit? 1394332;1454443612;mircea_popescu;!up mappum 1394333;1454443965;jurov;mircea_popescu: you're asking me? 1394334;1454443982;jurov;i won't mind 1394335;1454444054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00056905 = 9.4462 BTC [+] {4} 1394336;1454444089;mircea_popescu;ok so i am sending an email to btc-dev@therealbitcoin.org with subject line Certify polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc with content as a clearsigned short explanation of what it is, and with two attachments 1394337;1454444103;mircea_popescu;polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch and polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch.mircea_popescu.sig in this order 1394338;1454444105;mircea_popescu;problems ? 1394339;1454444123;jurov;no problems 1394340;1454444129;mircea_popescu;want a witness email cc'd ? 1394341;1454444159;jurov;not needed, if it can find and verify the clearsigned part marked as text/plain or text/gpg, all is swell 1394342;1454444189;mircea_popescu;aaaand ... sent@ 1394343;1454444248;jurov;discarded :( looking... 1394344;1454444301;jurov;had wordwrap enabled? 1394345;1454444343;jurov;yep. you did 1394346;1454444349;mircea_popescu;for the body ? 1394347;1454444357;jurov;yes, the clearsigned text 1394348;1454444361;mircea_popescu;redoing 1394349;1454444440;mircea_popescu;aaand sent! 1394350;1454444460;mircea_popescu;basically email-based ml posting reduces to human-impersonated irc bot o.O 1394351;1454444490;jurov;huh, i now see only pgp signature without text 1394352;1454444500;jurov;see your outbox 1394353;1454444519;mircea_popescu;aghaga derp.\ 1394354;1454444538;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1394355;1454444551;ascii_butugychag;now mircea_popescu knows the joys !11 1394356;1454444555;mircea_popescu;3rd's a charm ? 1394357;1454444560;mircea_popescu;so far tis been my fault ascii_butugychag 1394358;1454444567;ascii_butugychag;it is 'always the user's fault' 1394359;1454444577;jurov;zing! 1394360;1454444578;ascii_butugychag;'doctor, it hurts' 1394361;1454444595;mircea_popescu;well, no. 1394362;1454444627;mircea_popescu;ahh there we go. 1394363;1454444691;ascii_butugychag;congrats mircea_popescu 1394364;1454444722;ascii_butugychag;btw which main.cpp does this patch sit on ? 1394365;1454444797;jurov;it does not touch main.cpp 1394366;1454444826;ascii_butugychag;hm 1394367;1454444835;mircea_popescu;it's on bitcoinrpc 1394368;1454444855;mircea_popescu;mod6 why is your v perl implementation named v0001.pl on ml instead of a saner v99996 ? 1394369;1454444875;mircea_popescu;im contemplating signing this to reflect its successful usage to bring up nodes, but should i really sign a file called "v0001.pl" ? 1394370;1454444891;*;ascii_butugychag goes & actually reads 1394371;1454444916;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag tis short and sweet. 1394372;1454444957;ascii_butugychag;indeed. 1394373;1454445009;ascii_butugychag;this is how a patch ought to be. 1394374;1454445195;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: you won't be happy until you have plug in head to computer 1394375;1454445348;jurov;i'd prefer to name it v_MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMCMXCVI 1394376;1454445451;mircea_popescu;omaigerd jurov is such a gadfly 1394377;1454445642;mod6; <+mircea_popescu> mod6 why is your v perl implementation named v0001.pl on ml instead of a saner v99996 ? << weird? where do you see that? 1394378;1454445658;mod6;afaik i've always named the actual file `v.pl' 1394379;1454445713;*;mircea_popescu goes to check, finds v.pl 1394380;1454445724;jurov;ooooh maybe ml renamed it to avoid conflict 1394381;1454445726;mircea_popescu;where the fuck did i end up with this v-0001.pl then o.O 1394382;1454445745;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/v.pl?sha1=6c20a367bb0788fb6343754f1bd3034a3544c277 << would be this right ? 1394383;1454445746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoiDYO ) 1394384;1454445772;mod6;yah, that's the right one. 1394385;1454445788;mod6;no idea how you got v-0001.pl tho 1394386;1454445807;ascii_butugychag;1) rename 2) forget 1394387;1454445813;ascii_butugychag;^ the mega-algo 1394388;1454445820;mircea_popescu;ok well. they're all 3 identical : the v, the v-0001 of mystery and the v.pl on the actual machine that pressed with it 1394389;1454445825;thestringpuller;!s selinux 1394390;1454445826;assbot;11 results for 'selinux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=selinux 1394391;1454445829;mircea_popescu;so ima go ahead. 1394392;1454445837;mod6;alrighty. 1394393;1454446352;mod6;you may wanna hold off for a minute 1394394;1454446361;mod6;something is wrong with that patch, and V isn't doing anything about it. 1394395;1454446371;mircea_popescu;toolate.jpg 1394396;1454446382;mod6;f 1394397;1454446393;mircea_popescu;anyway, im not doing a patch. im doing v.pl 1394398;1454446425;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000208.html 1394399;1454446426;assbot;[BTC-dev] Certify v.pl 99996K ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWdlDL ) 1394400;1454446612;polarbeard;ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: hey thanks for reviewing and submitting my patch 1394401;1454446621;mircea_popescu;cheerios. 1394402;1454446667;polarbeard;anything else I can do? should I play with shiva? :) 1394403;1454446681;mircea_popescu;by all means, i like to see an apoplectic alf. 1394404;1454446702;mod6;whats weird here, is that the hashes in the patch, before and after, match nothing that i've got. so i've gotta figure that out. 1394405;1454446705;polarbeard;so is the plan to port all rpc commands to shiva actually? 1394406;1454446722;mircea_popescu;yes. and then all logging and then etc. 1394407;1454446733;mod6;and that might be because i'm running with my two replacement patches for ascii's stuff that haven't been verified yet. 1394408;1454446742;mod6;will find out here in a minute 1394409;1454446743;polarbeard;mod6: you mean on my patch? 1394410;1454446744;mircea_popescu;mod6 that'd be exactly what it'd be 1394411;1454446772;mod6;looks like it compiled fine -- even though the patch had to apply with Hunk offset garbage 1394412;1454446790;mod6;this one needs to be reground 1394413;1454446824;mod6;if anyone else is in the middle of creating a patch - maybe hold off a day or so before you submit until I can straighten out the tree & test everything. 1394414;1454446831;polarbeard;yes, it needs reground, I didn't know it will be submitted so what I published is on top of my better logging patches 1394415;1454446841;mod6;or at least until i give the "all good" signal in here. 1394416;1454446866;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1394417;1454446910;ascii_butugychag;ty mod6. i'd like to note that in a time of 'fog of war', when some patch is up in the air, it is not necessary to hold off on ~all~ work, but only things which concern the affected subsystems. 1394418;1454446920;ascii_butugychag;a, e.g., shiva.cpp - only patch - will work fine 1394419;1454446952;jurov;and since everyone is regrinding patches right and left, maybe we'd like to revisit the notion of "obsoletes that other one" 1394420;1454446959;jurov;? 1394421;1454446983;mircea_popescu;go on jurov ? 1394422;1454447002;ascii_butugychag;jurov: it's a 'longest chain' sort of thing. see old thread. 1394423;1454447028;ascii_butugychag;an obsolete patch is simply one that doesn't keep getting built on. 1394424;1454447040;mircea_popescu;forking as a way of life. 1394425;1454447045;ascii_butugychag;imho any other definition is necessarily un-vtronic 1394426;1454447049;ascii_butugychag;just like in bitcoin 1394427;1454447125;jurov;is that always decidable? if i have A, which has a child patch B, and author regrinds A into A' which is to be kept? 1394428;1454447196;ascii_butugychag;it is no more immediately decidable than a young chain fork in bitcoin 1394429;1454447201;jurov;imo both A and A' should be kept at leas B' isn't reground too 1394430;1454447202;ascii_butugychag;when there are two prongs of equal length 1394431;1454447250;jurov;but how do I add both A and A' into the repo without renaming? 1394432;1454447252;mod6;ah, so this is what is very weird: 1394433;1454447253;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2KC7SWP.txt 1394434;1454447254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KomnJJ ) 1394435;1454447298;mod6;still needs to be re-ground, but was just weird that it had no matching antecedents 1394436;1454447299;mircea_popescu;mod6 as he says, turns out he wrote it on top of patches that didn't make in 1394437;1454447300;ascii_butugychag;mod6: what am i looking at 1394438;1454447307;ascii_butugychag;ah 1394439;1454447327;mod6;and thats even with a full sync of the mirror as it exists up until this very minute. 1394440;1454447344;mod6;mircea_popescu: ahh, ok. 1394441;1454447344;mircea_popescu;well yes because he never actually published them, ie, by sending to ml or w/e the process is. 1394442;1454447353;mod6;no worries, they need to be re-ground, i'll work on that. 1394443;1454447360;mircea_popescu;but this MIGHT be a bug in v 1394444;1454447370;polarbeard;yes, sorry for that, got me totally by surprise 1394445;1454447371;mircea_popescu;because if i sign random shit that doesn't actually connect to the tree even if it claims to 1394446;1454447374;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't press. 1394447;1454447393;mod6;right this is actually a really good test case. 1394448;1454447395;mircea_popescu;then again 1394449;1454447395;ascii_butugychag;i thought mod6's vtron actually verified each patch operation ? 1394450;1454447397;mircea_popescu;it doesn't press. 1394451;1454447401;mod6;and yah, its certainly flawed. 1394452;1454447409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13527 @ 0.00057044 = 7.7163 BTC [+] 1394453;1454447414;ascii_butugychag;(also important to disable 'fuzziness' in the latter) 1394454;1454447417;mod6;it verifies the post press checksum. 1394455;1454447427;ascii_butugychag;but not the return code of patch -p0 < .... ? 1394456;1454447430;mod6;but that could be somehow broken as well, obviously, this needs some attention. 1394457;1454447442;mircea_popescu;aite. 1394458;1454447451;ascii_butugychag;(my own vtron verified nothing at all, i must point out.) 1394459;1454447459;mircea_popescu;but as polarbeard among others can testify, this makes writing code fucking difficult, thanks god. 1394460;1454447464;mircea_popescu;so many things you gotta check! 1394461;1454447476;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: recall how it was pre-v ? 1394462;1454447513;mircea_popescu;aha. 1394463;1454447546;mod6;before i re-grind this patch, im gonna look into V a bit while I wait for ascii to give me the green light on the other two reground from lastnight. 1394464;1454447560;polarbeard;it's a matter of maintaining a personal branch and an official one 1394465;1454447568;mircea_popescu;anyway : this FORK BY DEFAULT!!11 tendency of the v world, whereby it takes serious work and generally http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sea-otters.jpg to stay on the same branch is one of its best features imo. 1394466;1454447569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWgzY5 ) 1394467;1454447587;mircea_popescu;creates thriving communities and supports the implicit "fragmentation=strength" properties of the wot something fierce. 1394468;1454447602;ascii_butugychag;mod6: you can give the green light to yourself, just vdiff the result of applying my two patches vs. the result of applying your unified. 1394469;1454447609;ascii_butugychag;if same - then works 1394470;1454448007;mod6;im just trying to be sure, im already pretty sure... but i wanted you to look/test so i dont end up with more on my plate 1394471;1454448155;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_012016.txt.asc 1394472;1454448156;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mbe4FN ) 1394473;1454448170;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1394474;1454448305;mod6;man, v is failing badly. 1394475;1454448333;mircea_popescu;eh dun panic mod6 1394476;1454448337;mircea_popescu;say, you got enough sleep last nite ? 1394477;1454448345;mod6;the output hashes of net.h/net.cpp/bitcoinrpc.cpp are not matching the vpatch at all, this should have died mid press. 1394478;1454448348;mod6;but it didn't 1394479;1454448356;mod6;sleep, eh, yah. 1394480;1454448360;mod6;bout par 1394481;1454448505;shinohai;>.< do sleep mod6 1394482;1454448633;mircea_popescu;mod6 but does it press ? from what i see it correctly says no antecedents found etc 1394483;1454448664;mod6;it does press, yes, but it shouldn't 1394484;1454448671;mircea_popescu;hm 1394485;1454448684;mircea_popescu;unautomated tests ftw huh 1394486;1454448684;mod6;and.. even if it does press, it should have immediately haulted when it saw this: 1394487;1454448736;mod6;here's a debug snippit 1394488;1454448736;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2GM1YBV.txt 1394489;1454448737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ4OP1 ) 1394490;1454448754;mod6;i've got some idiotic thing going on in there, looking now. 1394491;1454448832;mircea_popescu;tsk 1394492;1454448890;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1394493;1454448900;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu:, mod6: notice the '5 offset' ?? 1394494;1454448903;mircea_popescu;if only it were built in lisp mod6 1394495;1454448904;ascii_butugychag;gotta disable fuzzz 1394496;1454448909;mircea_popescu;then it wouldn't have had this problem :D 1394497;1454448913;ascii_butugychag;that way v will stop where it must 1394498;1454448956;ascii_butugychag;i wonder who thought 'fuzzy' diff was a good idea for a default to begin with 1394499;1454448980;polarbeard;'this must fit' :D 1394500;1454449004;ascii_butugychag;reminds me of the circular connectors, with 100s of pins, that rockets had - in su they copied american plugs, yes; but they also had sergeants with hammers 1394501;1454449009;ascii_butugychag;'yes it will fit!11111' 1394502;1454449056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10669 @ 0.00057044 = 6.086 BTC [+] 1394503;1454449072;polarbeard;cable connection succeeded (offset 5 pins broken). 1394504;1454449117;ascii_butugychag;^ 1394505;1454449137;ascii_butugychag;http://www.koehlke.com/media/MIL-Spec/Delphi-28840-connector.jpg << them 1394506;1454449138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o3H4k8 ) 1394507;1454449247;polarbeard;uhg, those would require --backup-if-mismatch --force 1394508;1454449283;*;mircea_popescu had no idea diff even has a "fuzzy" concept. 1394509;1454449292;mircea_popescu;how does this work ? i'm sitting here doumbfounded. 1394510;1454449300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00056976 = 9.6574 BTC [-] 1394511;1454449323;ascii_butugychag;it did! 1394512;1454449331;polarbeard;finds surrounding lines, omits whitespace, and don't know what more dirty tricks 1394513;1454449332;ascii_butugychag;tries to find a place where the context fits. 1394514;1454449335;mircea_popescu;but... so then why bother doing a diff 1394515;1454449347;ascii_butugychag;it is 'patch' that does this 1394516;1454449351;mircea_popescu;just you know, run a tail on the file. good enough 1394517;1454449355;ascii_butugychag;tries to make the patch fit 1394518;1454449355;mircea_popescu;oh. 1394519;1454449358;mircea_popescu;oh oh nm then. 1394520;1454449370;ascii_butugychag;and i warned, that this has to be switched off 1394521;1454449378;mircea_popescu;jesus i wonder how much "mission critical code" was really written by patch itself. 1394522;1454449381;ascii_butugychag;or you get improperly localized failure 1394523;1454449396;mircea_popescu;0.1% ? 1394524;1454449401;mircea_popescu;1 ppm ? 1394525;1454449411;ascii_butugychag;prolly enough to be 'interesting' 1394526;1454449419;polarbeard;lol, committed by patch 1394527;1454449423;ascii_butugychag;and the overall effect is more similar to the rocket pins 1394528;1454449429;ascii_butugychag;than to a ppm of anything 1394529;1454449434;ascii_butugychag;(physically speaking) 1394530;1454449510;ascii_butugychag;gnupatch has 'fuzz' because... you never know whether the comments got regendered ? or what. 1394531;1454449513;ascii_butugychag;nfi. 1394532;1454449526;ben_vulpes;whitespace gardeners. 1394533;1454449549;ascii_butugychag;at any rate, v really started as a pill against this particular thing 1394534;1454449563;ascii_butugychag;'this patch applies IF THIS HASH otherwise FUCKOFF' 1394535;1454449622;mircea_popescu;quite 1394536;1454449661;ascii_butugychag;in fact, the use of gnudiff/patch is really happenstance 1394537;1454449691;mircea_popescu;well this has been a most instructive experience. 1394538;1454449695;mircea_popescu;welcome to the club polarbeard eh. 1394539;1454449713;polarbeard;hoho 1394540;1454449727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00056976 = 6.3528 BTC [-] 1394541;1454449727;polarbeard;I'm aliasing potch='patch --fuzzy 1000' 1394542;1454449731;ascii_butugychag;v is simply a mathatron that deals in the basic operation h,s1,o,s2 where s1 and s2 are strings, h is an operation (usually a hash) for recognizing said strings via trapdoor, and o is a transform 1394543;1454449767;ascii_butugychag;we have right now a profoundly braindamaged o 1394544;1454449779;ascii_butugychag;that it works at all, to our purpose, is a marvel. 1394545;1454449787;mircea_popescu;aha. 1394546;1454449821;polarbeard;you can always use meta-make ;) 1394547;1454449849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4580 @ 0.00057044 = 2.6126 BTC [+] 1394548;1454449884;mircea_popescu;really, a properly behaving o shouldn't be a big deal to write neh ? 1394549;1454449890;mircea_popescu;it's the "clever" one that takes 18bn loc 1394550;1454449922;ascii_butugychag;it kinda reduces to 'p' 1394551;1454449948;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, to answer a question that jurov asked a while ago, it is not only possible to use an arbitrary hash function with v, but even, theoretically, to use none at all. 1394552;1454449957;ascii_butugychag;(the entire file is its own identified) 1394553;1454449960;ascii_butugychag;*identifier 1394554;1454449981;ascii_butugychag;this would result in gargantuan vpatches, but... utterly unassailable. 1394555;1454450028;jurov;and my other question about maintaining A and A' in "mempool" ? 1394556;1454450037;PeterL;can v press to multiple heads, or do I have to pick one? 1394557;1454450063;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: at the same time ?!! why?? 1394558;1454450085;jurov;does v allow to press both AB and A' from one repository? 1394559;1454450087;ascii_butugychag;jurov: A and A' are, if dropped in the hopper, equally legit pressings 1394560;1454450093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14295 @ 0.00057044 = 8.1544 BTC [+] 1394561;1454450104;ascii_butugychag;jurov: a correctly-designed vtron - absolutely will 1394562;1454450107;deedbot-;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-january-2016-statement/ 1394563;1454450109;jurov;but the actual files must be renamed, no? 1394564;1454450115;PeterL;I mean, I see leafs of malleus_mikehearnification and maxint_locks_corrected, what if I want to include both? or am I misunderstanding what is going on? 1394565;1454450172;polarbeard;why isn't the last version the only valid one? 1394566;1454450183;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: my original vtron was controlled by manually selecting patch sets 1394567;1454450189;ascii_butugychag;this is really the best way, imho 1394568;1454450223;PeterL;I am looking at mod6's v, and trying to figure out how to control it? 1394569;1454450227;ascii_butugychag;place the ones you want in a dir, make sure you have the desired seals, and press 1394570;1454450228;mircea_popescu;<jurov> and my other question about maintaining A and A' in "mempool" ? << everything is in the mempool al ltime anyway. 1394571;1454450237;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: you can do it just as well with his 1394572;1454450240;mircea_popescu;the forget function is not implemented deliberately 1394573;1454450243;mircea_popescu;every node uses its own 1394574;1454450254;ascii_butugychag;my point was that there is not a special knob, you don't need it, your unix file system is the knob 1394575;1454450273;mod6;i know at one point i did negitive tests on this, but my problem in there is idiotic, i was not paying close enough attention 1394576;1454450275;ascii_butugychag;want both? include both, and let it press everything it can see 1394577;1454450278;mircea_popescu;PeterL you specify where you want to end up. 1394578;1454450278;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0DQJDTX.txt << now it works. 1394579;1454450279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ6VSR ) 1394580;1454450299;mod6;when you press, if the hash of the pressed file doens't match the expected, it should die right then and there. 1394581;1454450301;polarbeard;I actually do that, but because metamake is really dumb :( 1394582;1454450308;ascii_butugychag;mod6: i still see 'offset' in there? 1394583;1454450319;mod6;thats correct. 1394584;1454450321;ascii_butugychag;ah 1394585;1454450327;mod6;it dies. 1394586;1454450337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13812 @ 0.00057044 = 7.8789 BTC [+] 1394587;1454450344;mod6;im testing the wrong fucking scalar in my condition :< 1394588;1454450354;ascii_butugychag;mod6: patch .... -F 0 ... 1394589;1454450364;jurov;phf how do you solve multiple versions of one vpatch? 1394590;1454450369;PeterL;(p | press) ( ) << so I have to specify the genesis? what is head? 1394591;1454450389;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: the genesis is always implicit in the head 1394592;1454450394;ascii_butugychag;thinkaboutit 1394593;1454450404;ascii_butugychag;(all heads have arses) 1394594;1454450411;PeterL;genesis is arse? 1394595;1454450415;ascii_butugychag;aha 1394596;1454450425;PeterL;oh, I was thinking about it upside down, I guess 1394597;1454450449;PeterL;why not call it root? 1394598;1454450485;ascii_butugychag;insufficiently descriptive 1394599;1454450505;PeterL;ok, so what do I use as head? one of the leafs? 1394600;1454450506;ascii_butugychag;genesis is where a v object comes to exist. 1394601;1454450513;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: not necessarily 1394602;1454450521;ascii_butugychag;you can use a non-leaf node as a head 1394603;1454450523;ascii_butugychag;even genesis 1394604;1454450525;ascii_butugychag;try it 1394605;1454450539;ascii_butugychag;if you press to genesis, you get the bitcoin we started with. 1394606;1454450553;PeterL;but if I use a leaf, will it include the other leafs? 1394607;1454450596;jurov;i guess this is not implemented yet, ability to press multiple non-conflicting heads at once 1394608;1454450603;jurov;*leafs 1394609;1454450628;ascii_butugychag;my vtron had it 1394610;1454450632;ascii_butugychag;but in a very primitive way 1394611;1454450642;ascii_butugychag;(you could cut into the middle of a leaf set more or less alphabetically) 1394612;1454450666;ascii_butugychag;my intent was that the user would include ALL of the leaves he is interested in by using a custom patch dir, and then press to the last. 1394613;1454450687;ascii_butugychag;this would give you the entire tree as represented by your patches+seals+keys set. 1394614;1454450690;mod6;this is the fix: http://dpaste.com/1M96SWN.txt 1394615;1454450691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o3LI1y ) 1394616;1454450710;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1394617;1454450722;ascii_butugychag;mod6: i recommend for it to also run patch with F 0 1394618;1454450726;ascii_butugychag;(no fuzz) 1394619;1454450734;ascii_butugychag;and to die if return code is ever not 0 1394620;1454450758;ascii_butugychag;~that way~ you will end with a press of the last makes-sense pressing ! 1394621;1454450761;ascii_butugychag;instead of rubbish 1394622;1454450770;ascii_butugychag;and it will help you to learn what went wrong 1394623;1454450837;ascii_butugychag;think about it: 1394624;1454450848;ascii_butugychag;the result of a 'patch' ever not matching the hash, SHOULD NOT HAPPEN 1394625;1454450851;ascii_butugychag;it is an error condition! 1394626;1454450857;ascii_butugychag;should not be possible at all 1394627;1454450883;mod6;one sec 1394628;1454450958;jurov;why include the context then? use ed output format or such 1394629;1454450979;ascii_butugychag;jurov: perfectly valid idea 1394630;1454450998;ascii_butugychag;jurov: context could, theoretically, be regenerated from the file. 1394631;1454451048;thestringpuller;ed is the best text editor ever invented. 1394632;1454451056;thestringpuller;should be mandatory kids learn to code on that for at least one project. 1394633;1454451062;polarbeard;I'd enjoy no context 1394634;1454451150;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: ever use 'sam' (editor) ? 1394635;1454451155;thestringpuller;i have not 1394636;1454451173;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/43rggm/coinbase_treats_all_transfers_to_your_account_as/ <<< kek 1394637;1454451175;assbot;Coinbase treats all transfers to your account as (1099) Payments : BitcoinMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1o3NkZs ) 1394638;1454451216;thestringpuller;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_(text_editor)#/media/File:Sam_text_editor.png << it looks interesting ascii_butugychag 1394639;1454451219;polarbeard;sam, executable strings 1394640;1454451332;ascii_butugychag;what exactly else is a program ? 1394641;1454451340;ascii_butugychag;than 'executable string', l0l 1394642;1454451350;polarbeard;executable ints? :) 1394643;1454451559;ascii_butugychag;shinohai: that article is mega-unsurprising, coinbase is following 'letter of the law' in usa 1394644;1454451566;ascii_butugychag;moved money? 'income' 1394645;1454451573;shinohai;bleh 1394646;1454451573;ascii_butugychag;how are ~they~ to know where you got it. 1394647;1454451604;ascii_butugychag;if i dump a credit card into my own 'paypal' input, they will dutifully tally it up and 'income' 1394648;1454451624;ascii_butugychag;the machine doesn't give a fuck to whom the card belongs 1394649;1454451653;mod6;ascii_butugychag: hey, can you take a look at this? i pressed up to the vpatch in the flow before polars then.. manually patched with -F 0, but didn't seem to do anything: 1394650;1454451656;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1CS7SKN.txt 1394651;1454451657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o3Oy6Z ) 1394652;1454451659;ascii_butugychag;go, build arse-mouth system, rack up $1B in tax, $10M in paypal fee, ahve fun 1394653;1454451662;mod6;what am I missing? 1394654;1454451774;ascii_butugychag;sooo apparently, 1394655;1454451782;ascii_butugychag;'fuzz' refers to ignored context 1394656;1454451788;ascii_butugychag;and offset can't actually be disabled in gnupatch 1394657;1454451796;ascii_butugychag;at least according to the man pages. 1394658;1454451803;mod6;thats what i gather too. 1394659;1454451806;ascii_butugychag;idiocy. 1394660;1454451824;mod6;ok, well, we can worry about that later when we write our own patch-o-matic 1394661;1454451860;mod6;meanwhile, I'll work on an automated test for this change and work on republishing this fix as a one change deal. will be v99995 1394662;1454451864;mod6;sorry folks. 1394663;1454451869;polarbeard;that's it, I'm patching every .c on my disk together with F 1000 and compiling it 1394664;1454452109;polarbeard;actually F0 didn't apply offset 1394665;1454452183;polarbeard;http://dpaste.com/226VQYJ.txt 1394666;1454452184;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeGRRS ) 1394667;1454452206;polarbeard;$ echo $? 1394668;1454452207;polarbeard;1 1394669;1454452507;ben_vulpes;mega lol at coinbase 1394670;1454452511;ben_vulpes;entirely predictable though 1394671;1454452593;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1394672;1454452594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00056976 = 8.2615 BTC [-] 1394673;1454452640;ascii_butugychag;re: block cipher thread: http://cr.yp.to/snuffle.html << interesting, djb 1394674;1454452640;assbot;Snuffle 2005 ... ( http://bit.ly/1o3RznK ) 1394675;1454452903;mod6;*sigh* 1394676;1454453027;ascii_butugychag;so on top of it all... the behaviour isn't standard ? 1394677;1454453030;ascii_butugychag;whod'avethunkit 1394678;1454453209;*;ascii_butugychag bbl 1394679;1454454302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3698 @ 0.00057044 = 2.1095 BTC [+] 1394680;1454455112;punkman;polarbeard: actually F0 didn't apply offset << it should, if you offset the code. but it must find the context verbatim 1394681;1454455193;punkman;http://git.neil.brown.name/?p=wiggle.git might be useful when we have hundreds of patches 1394682;1454455196;assbot;git.neil.brown.name Git - wiggle.git/summary ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEFGUT ) 1394683;1454455227;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Stressed Out by Twenty One Pilots, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/02/stressed-out-by-twenty-one-pilots-translated/ 1394684;1454455889;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> my intent was that the user would include ALL of the leaves he is interested in by using a custom patch dir, and then press to the last. << this is not a bad approach (for dev work). i wouldn't want it in the press-for-deploy, but different story. 1394685;1454456092;mircea_popescu; that's it, I'm patching every .c on my disk together with F 1000 and compiling it << lmao. STONE SOUP! 1394686;1454456115;punkman;I'm thinking any diff replacement should do strictly binary diffs, and only include line-oriented context diff as a visual aid 1394687;1454456156;mircea_popescu;punkman i've been thinking about it too, seems in point of fact we're mangling two distinct things. 1) patches-as-code ; 2) patches-as-human-readable. 1394688;1454456157;punkman;F must be lower than number of context lines, so F 3 should do the same as F 1000 in most cases :P 1394689;1454456179;mircea_popescu;basically it's the clearsign issue all over again. 1394690;1454456247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think salsa was djb's own version of shiva, ie, "playing with ; don't use in anger" 1394691;1454456276;punkman;djb's ChaCha is getting pretty popular these days 1394692;1454456376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057044 = 7.815 BTC [+] 1394693;1454456425;punkman;"New features of Latin dances: Analysis of Salsa, ChaCha, and Rumba." << lol this title 1394694;1454456468;mircea_popescu;lol 1394695;1454456575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw what about speck, nsa's own rot13 ? 1394696;1454456638;punkman;http://git.neil.brown.name/?p=wiggle.git;a=blob;f=p.help; hey this guy also likes single letter names, has a "p" program 1394697;1454456641;assbot;git.neil.brown.name Git - wiggle.git/blob - p.help ... ( http://bit.ly/1o43IZX ) 1394698;1454456935;mircea_popescu;incidentally, thinking vaguely along the lines of making a b-a call for papers for symm cypher, what would we actually want ? i'm thinking a) block sizes of 1, 4, 16, 64 kbytes. none of that bit-denominated bs, wtf is this, 64 bits. fuck that. b) key size of 64kb fixed. c) bonus points for proved hardness, as-hard-as-x etc d) bonus points for not using just basic arithmetics. fuck this shift-and-xor hack-and-slash bs, 1394699;1454456935;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of interesting constructions in alt-algebras, number and set theory etc. 1394700;1454457052;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Tux_ecb.jpg <<< this is what small blocks gets you. 1394701;1454457053;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaNHrC ) 1394702;1454457230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00056976 = 4.4441 BTC [-] 1394703;1454457262;mircea_popescu;basically, do everything exactly opposite to the "wisdom" of a very inept if deeply self-pompositous field 1394704;1454457735;punkman;why not stream cipher? 1394705;1454457777;mircea_popescu;stream cypher = particularly braindamaged blockcypher, ie one with a tiny block/ 1394706;1454458274;trinque;anybody recommend a way to import a private key to trb? 1394707;1454458473;shinohai;trinque have used pybitcointools with success 1394708;1454458499;punkman;I remember some mentions of a backport patch for key import 1394709;1454458513;punkman;but really, just create the tx elsewhere 1394710;1454458559;mircea_popescu;actually polarbeard if you're looking for more backportage stuff to do ... rawtx thing. 1394711;1454458574;mircea_popescu;but give it a GOOD read aforehand, it's crappy as found in .8 1394712;1454458590;mircea_popescu;none of this cavalry charging it. 1394713;1454458699;mircea_popescu;!up likemob1 1394714;1454458717;punkman;mircea_popescu: stream cypher = particularly braindamaged blockcypher, ie one with a tiny block << vernam can stream 1394715;1454458740;mircea_popescu;explain this to me. 1394716;1454458804;punkman;I can send arbitrary number of encrypted bits to you, no? 1394717;1454460244;mircea_popescu;so ? 1394718;1454460256;mircea_popescu;this does not differentiate between stream and block. 1394719;1454460307;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: And after rawtx ported Scheme X11 widget for interacting with shiva over rs-232 would totes make Gavin all Jelly 1394720;1454460400;jurov;X11 over rs232, now that's new to me 1394721;1454460409;mircea_popescu;lol! 1394722;1454460431;jurov;!b 3 1394723;1454460431;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08Y1SNA.txt ) 1394724;1454460506;BingoBoingo;jurov: Everything is new 1394725;1454460722;BingoBoingo;In other news at the end of 2016 GE is discontinuing compact flourescent light bulbs. Nothing of value was lost. 1394726;1454460785;mircea_popescu;heh. 1394727;1454461497;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/EylVS 1394728;1454461498;assbot;Bumping into Stallman, again ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOUDsC ) 1394729;1454462110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00057044 = 18.4537 BTC [+] {2} 1394730;1454462221;mircea_popescu;that may be the epitome of anti-interesting by now. 1394731;1454462238;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394698 << (c) has never been publicly achieved afaik 1394732;1454462238;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 23:48:55; mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking vaguely along the lines of making a b-a call for papers for symm cypher, what would we actually want ? i'm thinking a) block sizes of 1, 4, 16, 64 kbytes. none of that bit-denominated bs, wtf is this, 64 bits. fuck that. b) key size of 64kb fixed. c) bonus points for proved hardness, as-hard-as-x etc d) bonus points for not using just basic arithmetics. fuck this shift-and-xor 1394733;1454462251;BingoBoingo;Yeah. Today was dominated by a bunch of these not quite news things. 1394734;1454462253;mircea_popescu;yawell. 1394735;1454462260;BingoBoingo;Like Amazon opening storefronts 1394736;1454462274;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394700 << non-chained blocks of whatever size, get you this 1394737;1454462274;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 23:50:52; mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Tux_ecb.jpg <<< this is what small blocks gets you. 1394738;1454462280;asciilifeform;(for some value of this) 1394739;1454462297;mircea_popescu;only if the block count is large enough. 1394740;1454462311;mircea_popescu;otp is... not chained 1394741;1454462341;asciilifeform;otp has no block size 1394742;1454462351;mircea_popescu;the idea that "better box" rather than "larger blocks" prevents from that is not unlike the fundamental idea at the basis of whitening. 1394743;1454462358;mircea_popescu;otp has block size = message size by definition. 1394744;1454462362;asciilifeform;nope 1394745;1454462368;mircea_popescu;show me ? 1394746;1454462374;asciilifeform;in correct otp, you ~never~ get a situation where same block -> same output 1394747;1454462378;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1394748;1454462481;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394695 << the motives for usg officially releasing a cryptosystem in 2013 can be discerned only by an expert psychiatrist 1394749;1454462481;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 23:42:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what about speck, nsa's own rot13 ? 1394750;1454462502;mircea_popescu;aha 1394751;1454462507;asciilifeform;(note that speck and simon were ~not~ proclaimed as crown standards, like des or aes) 1394752;1454462520;asciilifeform;just thrown to the peanut gallery, for - apparently - the hell of it 1394753;1454462527;asciilifeform;'looksee! we publish!' 1394754;1454462553;asciilifeform;http://galois.com/blog/2013/06/simon-and-speck-in-cryptol << for connoisseurs 1394755;1454462555;assbot;SIMON and SPECK in Cryptol - Galois, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTvpkg ) 1394756;1454462578;asciilifeform;especially for ben_vulpes ^ 1394757;1454462703;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394699 << funnily, maslennikov's b00k was largely about his futile attempts to interest kgb middle management in group-theoretical foundations for new block ciphers 1394758;1454462703;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 23:48:55; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of interesting constructions in alt-algebras, number and set theory etc. 1394759;1454462712;mircea_popescu;aha. 1394760;1454462733;mircea_popescu;this "make the block small" and "make the cipher computable" restraints are EXACTLY wrong. 1394761;1454462738;mircea_popescu;they're straight opposite of right. 1394762;1454462751;asciilifeform;computable? 1394763;1454462766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, you know what i mean. "use xor it's cheap!" 1394764;1454462811;mircea_popescu;fuck that stupid shit. if the computer massaging my 10kb message takes a minute i couldn't care the fuck less - it took me 10 minutes to get all the guns arrayed to make a ml submission. 1394765;1454462815;asciilifeform;thing is, 'use modular multiplication instead! it's costly!' does not automagically yield good cipher 1394766;1454462820;mircea_popescu;i specifically don't fucking want sub second cryptography. 1394767;1454462825;mircea_popescu;it shows you're not using the machine. 1394768;1454462830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform absolutely not. 1394769;1454462861;asciilifeform;the field of crypto that has provable hardness foundation is depressingly empty 1394770;1454462864;mircea_popescu;if i tell the woman to "spend an hour cooking, this 30 seconds cookings are bs" this doesn't mean i'm inviting her to pick her nose for 59.5 minutes. 1394771;1454462865;asciilifeform;doesn't even include rsa. 1394772;1454462919;asciilifeform;however, i do find it... interesting, that it is not ~entirely~ empty, but the intersection of it and implementations ~you can get~ .... IS. 1394773;1454462938;mircea_popescu;it's clearly where we must go. 1394774;1454462947;mircea_popescu;from a strategic perspective, that's the spot. 1394775;1454462964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4395 @ 0.00056976 = 2.5041 BTC [-] 1394776;1454462977;asciilifeform;most elementarily, 1394777;1454462977;asciilifeform;otp. 1394778;1454462993;mircea_popescu;dude you think yourself in 1650 or something ? 1394779;1454463004;asciilifeform;good otp is easier now than ever. 1394780;1454463024;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1394781;1454463037;mircea_popescu;the punishment for otp is "you may not use computer anymore" 1394782;1454463046;asciilifeform;sure you can. 1394783;1454463055;asciilifeform;it just has to be coin-sized and include thermite. 1394784;1454463076;mircea_popescu;"if thge best you can come up with is otp - give me back the cpu and take this mechanical gearbox instead" 1394785;1454463090;asciilifeform;the weak link of ancient otp was always the rng. 1394786;1454463114;asciilifeform;!s wrfelgenerator 1394787;1454463115;assbot;0 results for 'w�rfelgenerator' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=w%FCrfelgenerator 1394788;1454463117;asciilifeform;hm 1394789;1454463123;mircea_popescu;!s whoregenerator 1394790;1454463123;assbot;0 results for 'whoregenerator' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whoregenerator 1394791;1454463124;asciilifeform;http://www.cryptomuseum.com/manuf/mils 1394792;1454463126;assbot;Mils Electronic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTweK0 ) 1394793;1454463179;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally do you recall that very ingenious thing that worked essentially as a vinyl record player needle but on a random chunk of clay pot ? 1394794;1454463183;asciilifeform;yes 1394795;1454463186;asciilifeform;sigsally 1394796;1454463190;mircea_popescu;sort-of like an extension fo the greek cone items 1394797;1454463191;mircea_popescu;aha 1394798;1454463198;asciilifeform;or hm, nope 1394799;1454463216;asciilifeform;sigsally was the first electronic otp, american, used vocoder (in '40s!) but used ordinary vinyl record 1394800;1454463246;asciilifeform;you might be thinking of 'physically unclonable function' which is a crackpot field 1394801;1454463251;mircea_popescu;nanana 1394802;1454463251;asciilifeform;that afaik never went anywhere serious 1394803;1454463307;mircea_popescu;that's not it. it basically was a mechanical device, worked sort-of like the scytale except on a chunk of a clay item 1394804;1454463331;mircea_popescu;german clockworkery if i recall correctly. 1394805;1454463388;asciilifeform;never heard of such a thing 1394806;1454463398;mircea_popescu;darn where the fuck did i see this thing 1394807;1454463406;asciilifeform;would be interesting to see, considering that i can't get repeatable reading of anything out of a clay pot ~today~ 1394808;1454463418;mircea_popescu;it wasn't a pot, it was a slab. 1394809;1454463438;mircea_popescu;basically it had a place you placed the clay fragment in, and a rod which traveled the cracked surface. 1394810;1454463447;asciilifeform;i only ever heard of breaking an object and the halves become identifying passes 1394811;1454463448;mircea_popescu;wasn't very good in that it went back and forth over the distance 1394812;1454463454;mircea_popescu;then again nothing stopped you from servicing it 1394813;1454463464;mircea_popescu;well that's common. 1394814;1454463474;asciilifeform;aha, goes back to at least babylon 1394815;1454463517;mircea_popescu;dja understand how this thing looked or am i not explaining very well ? 1394816;1454463529;asciilifeform;i can nearly picture it. 1394817;1454463532;*;mircea_popescu distinctly recalls the very smoothly polished travel rod 1394818;1454463536;mircea_popescu;which isn't fucking useful. 1394819;1454463582;mircea_popescu;anyway : best ux ever in a mechanical cryptological machine. you could use as many slabs per message as you felt like. 1394820;1454463596;asciilifeform;and your key weighs 500kg! 1394821;1454463601;asciilifeform;and he doesn't like paper otp ! 1394822;1454463603;mircea_popescu;hey, nobody said it's cheap. 1394823;1454463611;asciilifeform;at least paper ~burns~ 1394824;1454463611;mircea_popescu;but this was a 1700s item im pretty sure 1394825;1454463622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform clay breaks :) 1394826;1454463630;mircea_popescu;drop the 500kgs, forget about that key lol 1394827;1454463631;asciilifeform;aha and you can load musket with it. 1394828;1454463676;mircea_popescu;anyway - it's not that i don't like paper otp, or otp generally. it's that if that's the best you can do, you should have been a clockmaker 1394829;1454463688;mircea_popescu;so as not to say "should have been a shoemaker" 1394830;1454463705;mircea_popescu;dun need computers for otp. 1394831;1454463879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00056573 = 20.8754 BTC [-] {7} 1394832;1454463940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22881 @ 0.00056354 = 12.8944 BTC [-] {3} 1394833;1454464401;asciilifeform;actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp. 1394834;1454464409;asciilifeform;it would, likely, be ~electrochemical~ 1394835;1454464413;asciilifeform;consider: 1394836;1454464418;asciilifeform;the ideal otp machine: 1394837;1454464451;asciilifeform;1) the random bits are born all at once, rather than written in one (or machine word) at a time from some specially-built electronic widget 1394838;1454464466;asciilifeform;2) are born on the two (or more) carriers at the same time 1394839;1454464481;asciilifeform;that then go their separate ways; 1394840;1454464490;asciilifeform;3) come out one at a time 1394841;1454464521;asciilifeform;4) are, ideally, erased irrevocably by so doing, or at least erasable in reasonably small chunks (when used) and destroyable all at once (when you pull the pin) 1394842;1454464559;asciilifeform;5) cannot under any circumstances be ~read~ all at once or quickly enough to be considered 'all at once' for practical purposes of enemy capture & device switcheroo 1394843;1454464608;asciilifeform;each of these 5 pieces contains a number of sub-boojums 1394844;1454464637;asciilifeform;e.g., 1 and 2 imply that there are sufficient bits per entropy without having to resort to whitenings or distillation 1394845;1454464667;asciilifeform;(the former being an exercise in self-delusion, the latter - adds complexity and potentially buggy or noisy circuitry) 1394846;1454464745;asciilifeform;some of the variants i've envisioned include.... a certain kind of battery, where ion gradients vary when a molten electrolyte cools, and it then cut into 2+ strips, and 'burned' like a candle 1394847;1454464763;asciilifeform;emitting two sets of ~same static waveform at once 1394848;1454464781;asciilifeform;and... but why go into it here. anybody who wants this, can think on his own. 1394849;1454464912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you feel like entertaining some crackpottery, suppose a hash function defined as follows : a) calculate PM ; pM ; P!M ; p!M where P and p are the perimeters of polygons of K sides circumscribing and inscribed respectively in the same circle and !M is the bitwise negation of M ; b) calculate V1 = 2pMPM/(PM+pM) ; V2 = sqrt(pMPM) ; V3 = 2p!MP!M/(P!M+p!M) ; V4 = sqrt(p!MP!M) ; c) calculate H = (V1 - V2) * 1394850;1454464912;mircea_popescu;(V3 - V4) and finally d) return blocksize digits from the key-th position in H. 1394851;1454464917;mircea_popescu;how'd you go about attacking this ? 1394852;1454464943;mircea_popescu;(and from 1 i see you like small blocks just abour as much as i do) 1394853;1454464984;asciilifeform;i would have to think about it 1394854;1454464989;asciilifeform;but gauss could prolly tell you right now! 1394855;1454464991;asciilifeform;wake'im up. 1394856;1454465013;mircea_popescu;lol. 1394857;1454465120;mircea_popescu;(basically - they're the classical (archimedan!) approximations of pi, for the text and reversed text, to an arbitrary precision. makes for an eminently tunable hashfunction) 1394858;1454465146;asciilifeform;terrible hash function 1394859;1454465154;asciilifeform;bailey, borwein, & plouffe. 1394860;1454465163;mircea_popescu;do you see what i did here ? 1394861;1454465176;asciilifeform;(iirc plouffe was the worker bee and the other 2 were parasites) 1394862;1454465204;mircea_popescu;it is apparently a lot easier to follow math in words than in symbols, EVEN FOR YOU 1394863;1454465204;asciilifeform;why the bitwise negation ? 1394864;1454465214;asciilifeform;actually i am writing it out in symbols!111111 1394865;1454465217;asciilifeform;to follow at all!11 1394866;1454465221;mircea_popescu;HA! 1394867;1454465250;mircea_popescu;you took a second to answer after my 2nd line, minutes after the first produced nothing! timing attack on your brain! 1394868;1454465260;asciilifeform;clearly!1 1394869;1454465275;mircea_popescu;lol 1394870;1454465284;mircea_popescu;anyway - being able to calculate pi itself does not actually help here. 1394871;1454465299;mircea_popescu;because we're specifically collecting hte noise of the formula against the text and its mirror, rather than pi itself. 1394872;1454465307;mircea_popescu;hence the substractions. 1394873;1454465380;asciilifeform;the root ops go poorly with bit arithmetic 1394874;1454465386;mircea_popescu;so they do. 1394875;1454465389;mircea_popescu;GOOD. 1394876;1454465401;mircea_popescu;fuck the fucking computing-centring paradigm in crypotography 1394877;1454465405;mircea_popescu;it's your tool not your fucking master. 1394878;1454465410;asciilifeform;then let's have the candle. 1394879;1454465415;mircea_popescu;no. 1394880;1454465422;mircea_popescu;it's your tool, it must be used. 1394881;1454465437;asciilifeform;then you're stuck with wandering decimal crud 1394882;1454465443;asciilifeform;and titanic lookup tables, etc. 1394883;1454465447;mircea_popescu;sure. anyway bignum operations is a solved problem 1394884;1454465448;mircea_popescu;even in lisp 1394885;1454465457;asciilifeform;'even' l0l 1394886;1454465459;mircea_popescu;:) 1394887;1454465465;asciilifeform;(the original home of bignum) 1394888;1454465472;mircea_popescu;(my trolling is ever more refined) 1394889;1454465476;asciilifeform;but decimal soup is still ick 1394890;1454465480;mircea_popescu;good. 1394891;1454465485;asciilifeform;you won't have repeatable output 1394892;1454465488;mircea_popescu;so ? 1394893;1454465489;asciilifeform;no repeat, no decrypt 1394894;1454465496;mircea_popescu;hash function not cipjher 1394895;1454465503;asciilifeform;then works 1394896;1454465517;*;mircea_popescu is still curious to hear how people'd attack, if anyone cares. 1394897;1454465539;mircea_popescu;esp re preimage. 1394898;1454465601;trinque;shinohai: I don't see anything in pybitcointools to shove a privkey into a wallet.dat 1394899;1454465644;asciilifeform;i will prolly care. on the train, some time soon. 1394900;1454465657;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, i bought that quiet fan kakobrekla recommended ages ago 1394901;1454465679;kakobrekla;and its utter shit you will say 1394902;1454465680;asciilifeform;and laughed when i uncrated it and saw that it ships in a gaudy display case, with clear window, and velcro (!) lid 1394903;1454465689;trinque;also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do? 1394904;1454465690;kakobrekla;whut? 1394905;1454465694;asciilifeform;and was laughing until i saw that it starts spinning when i turn the box a bit ! 1394906;1454465699;asciilifeform;shows off the quality of the bearing. 1394907;1454465711;asciilifeform;no 'civilian' pc fan i ever bought, behaved this way. 1394908;1454465721;kakobrekla;aha yea 1394909;1454465732;asciilifeform;i haven't even plugged the thing in yet, and already impressed. 1394910;1454465750;kakobrekla;the 'be quiet' ones that is? 1394911;1454465759;asciilifeform;aha 1394912;1454465765;asciilifeform;'be quiet silent wings 2' 1394913;1454465782;kakobrekla;they also spin at the lowest rpm of all the high end fans i tested 1394914;1454465784;phf;jurov: i don't handle patch conflicts yet, until there's some kommunitee resolution. and if the answer is "remove them from your patches" probably going to add some kind of tree walk in addition to topo. fwiw right now on the site you can see patches that wouldn't press cleanly in "pink" 1394915;1454465828;trinque;anyone? given a privkey in hand, how the hell do I get trb to send some coin? I do not want to change addresses and nothing I find can chew on this wallet 1394916;1454465923;phf;jurov: like http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_fix_instance_print , asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring don't press because presumably conflict with programmable-versionstring malleus_mikehearnificarum in order. no idea why polarbeard_better_log_messages polarbeard_fix_instance_print don't press though 1394917;1454465924;assbot;polarbeard_fix_instance_print ... ( http://bit.ly/207AHbw ) 1394918;1454466062;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394903 << you ~know~ wat to do ! 1394919;1454466062;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 02:14:49; trinque: also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do? 1394920;1454466064;asciilifeform;implement it! 1394921;1454466067;asciilifeform;in shiva. 1394922;1454466077;trinque;oh I'm already looking at it :p 1394923;1454466087;asciilifeform;(btc-eat-tx vector) 1394924;1454466102;asciilifeform;not so hard 1394925;1454466126;phf;kek, i know why polarbeard_better_log_messages don't press. it depends on asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum, which is replaced 1394926;1454466158;asciilifeform;iirc mod6 pointed this out earlier 1394927;1454466173;phf;yeah, i'm not up to date on logs 1394928;1454466196;asciilifeform;btw i don't understand why phf's thing needs to 'handle' patch conflicts 1394929;1454466202;asciilifeform;just needs to display the tree 1394930;1454466212;asciilifeform;from which is ought to be ~apparent~ what can coexist and what cannot 1394931;1454466217;asciilifeform;for such is v 1394932;1454466279;phf;well, the idea is that you want to click on the patch and see how to press it. if i were to click in polarbeard_* presumably i want to press the tree that includes old malleus? 1394933;1454466289;asciilifeform;yes! 1394934;1454466304;asciilifeform;anything that can sit down into a vtron, is pressable. 1394935;1454466306;asciilifeform;by definition. 1394936;1454466312;asciilifeform;and it ought to tell you how. 1394937;1454466324;phf;right, but doing just topo won't tell you that 1394938;1454466360;asciilifeform;the simplest algo, for all patchons in patch, dive down recursively and find ancestor. 1394939;1454466368;asciilifeform;when you get to the genesis, you're done. 1394940;1454466386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i will prolly care. on the train, some time soon. << the reason i give it is mostly didactic. it plainly shows what i mean re proper use of math and treating your computer like a tool to do a job rather than treating your job as something to be adjusted to fit the computer without having to delve into complexities and subtleties of number theory etc. something as commonplace as "use the intervals of conf 1394941;1454466386;mircea_popescu;idence of a polynomial method to estimate a transcendent" is really good enough. and it exhibits all those important properties : such as, you can ~actually~ use infinite message, and you can also use any arbitrary padding you like, up to infinity - the hash function won't complain. and you can want it to shit out any block size you want it to shit out - also won't complain, but give EQUALLY MEANINGFUL results. whether 1394942;1454466387;mircea_popescu; you ask for 3 or 13 or 294 digits. 1394943;1454466389;asciilifeform;(~a~ genesis, i should say) 1394944;1454466427;mircea_popescu;trinque> also, I don't see sendrawtransaction in trb's list o' commands... wat do? << cry all the way home, we don't have it yet. backport it ? :D 1394945;1454466437;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am quite certain that you knew this, but pretty much all published block ciphers date to the dark ages, when transistor was painfully expensive 1394946;1454466444;mircea_popescu;i do. 1394947;1454466450;mircea_popescu;still, some points have to be made 1394948;1454466452;mircea_popescu;REPEATEDLY 1394949;1454466467;mircea_popescu;also, this is NOT a block cipher 1394950;1454466479;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 1394951;1454466489;asciilifeform;age of cheap transistor had a faux-renaissance where folks used the cheap transistors for elaborate self-delusion - 'this is sooo complicated, nobody!1111 could crack' 1394952;1454466499;asciilifeform;which led to a pile of corpses and a reaction. 1394953;1454466508;mircea_popescu;quite. 1394954;1454466511;asciilifeform;which enemy, naturally, took full advantage of 1394955;1454466517;asciilifeform;and here we are, somewhere after this. 1394956;1454466528;mircea_popescu;whereas the correct solution is to stick to the math. computers are fucking tractors not farm designers. 1394957;1454466536;mircea_popescu;but hey, generation of cad and web and whatnot. 1394958;1454466544;asciilifeform;cud. 1394959;1454466552;mircea_popescu;no i mean the autocad thing. 1394960;1454466554;asciilifeform;yes 1394961;1454466556;asciilifeform;and i meant cud. 1394962;1454466562;asciilifeform;as in, what ruminant ruminates over 1394963;1454466564;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, 1394964;1454466567;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i was walking with a woman i walked with all over the fucking world, and she spontaneoushly said 1394965;1454466570;asciilifeform;computer-UNaided designs. 1394966;1454466575;mircea_popescu;"wtf is with these large buildings they're all ugly in the same way" 1394967;1454466583;mircea_popescu;and i explained to her what autocad was 1394968;1454466590;mircea_popescu;and she was horrified ever since. 1394969;1454466596;asciilifeform;thing is that brutalism pre-dates cad. 1394970;1454466703;phf;moar corbusier 1394971;1454466805;asciilifeform;cars all looking entirely alike are a better example 1394972;1454466929;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/694686642318118913 >> "We're going to increase the block size and make more of them. Everyone should be able to mine a block." (picture of Bernie Sanders at some rally) 1394973;1454466962;mircea_popescu;hahaah what ?> 1394974;1454467081;danielpbarron;it's some account that's fairly popular in the twatter circles of people who use terms like opsec and infosec, pointing out that the proponents of larger blocks sound like the guy who's running for president as a socialist 1394975;1454467090;mircea_popescu;http://plouffe.fr/ << in other news, plouffe's site is gone. 1394976;1454467090;assbot;Page Maison de Simon Plouffe Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/207Dbql ) 1394977;1454467112;mircea_popescu;ftr, that's where the now-famous first of many "calculate nth decimal of transcendent without calculating the others" thing was published 1394978;1454467172;asciilifeform;holy shit, plouffe? 1394979;1454467173;asciilifeform;!?! 1394980;1454467177;asciilifeform;desaparecido ? 1394981;1454467204;mircea_popescu;aye. 1394982;1454467227;asciilifeform;https://oeis.org/wiki/Plouffe's_Inverter << also gone... 1394983;1454467228;assbot;Plouffe's Inverter - OeisWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/207Dqlc ) 1394984;1454467251;mircea_popescu;guy really gave numeric appoaches a serious push. 1394985;1454467256;asciilifeform;http://xahlee.info/math/Simon_Plouffe_pi_formula.html << obligatory xah lee 1394986;1454467257;assbot;Math Politics: Simon Plouffe and nth Digit Formula of π ... ( http://bit.ly/207Dtxw ) 1394987;1454467267;asciilifeform;^ re: the perelmanization of ploufee 1394988;1454467270;asciilifeform;*plouffe 1394989;1454467340;asciilifeform;doesn't sprechen the inglisch so well, but not hard to understand: 1394990;1454467347;asciilifeform;'Peter Borwein wanted very much that I do a Ph. D. on the ISC but he wanted also to publish (with his name of course) an article before I deposit the thesis. Again the same story was going on, these 2 guys are so greedy I can't believe it. The behavior they had with me was not exclusive, especially Peter Borwein he was the same with most of his students, especially the good ones, sucking the maximum. Jon is the same but he has 1394991;1454467347;asciilifeform; more talent in politics (more money too). He is good but has a tendency to site himself a lot. He thinks that if he had the idea of the sum of 2 numbers at one point in his life then all formulas in mathematics are his own discovery. About David H. Bailey. He came after the discovery of the formula and my small basic program , I had also a fortran version. This is where Peter Borwein suggested to add him as a collaborator to 1394992;1454467349;asciilifeform;the discovery since he contributed to it (as he said), this is my second big mistake. Of course he accepted to co-write the article, who wouldn't ?! David H. Bailey (and Ferguson) are the authors of the PSLQ program. That program is the version of the Pari-Gp program. I used it a little it is true, but what made the discovery was pari-Gp and Maple interface program I had. So actually, that person has nothing to do w 1394993;1454467354;asciilifeform;ith the discovery of that algorithm and very little to do with the finding of the formula. The mistake was mine. Saying that Bailey found the formula is like saying that the formula was found by the Maple and Basic program.' 1394994;1454467371;mircea_popescu;did i read this exact thing before re wolfram ? 1394995;1454467381;asciilifeform;wolfram did it to somebody else 1394996;1454467388;asciilifeform;re: turing-complete cellular automaton proof 1394997;1454467390;mircea_popescu;but the same text! 1394998;1454467412;asciilifeform;not same text. but same bullet hole, same corpse. 1394999;1454467420;asciilifeform;all bullet holes are quite alike. 1395000;1454467460;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1395001;1454467555;asciilifeform;one strong ox and two very, very effective plowing flies. 1395002;1454467616;asciilifeform;http://www.pi314.net/eng/bellard.php << l0l! same bellard as of qemu and tinycc and many other fun things 1395003;1454467616;assbot;The world of Pi - Bellard ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4vi9m ) 1395004;1454467622;asciilifeform;found improvement of plouffe's algo. 1395005;1454467630;asciilifeform;'world is small' 1395006;1454467647;shinohai;trinque: sorry 'twas this mod6 and I used to do it: https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet 1395007;1454467649;assbot;jackjack-jj/pywallet · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4vlSs ) 1395008;1454468187;asciilifeform;https://github.com/17Q4MX2hmktmpuUKHFuoRmS5MfB5XPbhod/dropzone-lib << lulzy derpatron from the spam in mircea_popescu's comment section 1395009;1454468188;assbot;GitHub - 17Q4MX2hmktmpuUKHFuoRmS5MfB5XPbhod/dropzone-lib: An Anonymous Peer-To-Peer Local Contraband Marketplace ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4wyJx ) 1395010;1454468702;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394898 <-- a backport patch of privkey import/export should you be so inclined to look: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/funken_prikey_tools.vpatch 1395011;1454468702;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 02:13:21; trinque: shinohai: I don't see anything in pybitcointools to shove a privkey into a wallet.dat 1395012;1454468703;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/207Gjmf ) 1395013;1454468892;funkenstein_;ooh cool "physically unclonable functions". is that another way to say reality? 1395014;1454469193;mod6;funkenstein_: hey, did you write that one? 1395015;1454469260;funkenstein_;mod6 yeah, a few months ago. 1395016;1454469273;mod6;oh awesome, did it make it into the ML? 1395017;1454469329;funkenstein_;it got hung up when i added another patch "chuck_checkpoints" with mistake.. now sits there for eyeballs if anyone is interested 1395018;1454469467;funkenstein_;there was some tree structure problem with original mailing list submission iirc 1395019;1454469491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00056509 = 6.0747 BTC [+] {2} 1395020;1454469589;funkenstein_;mod6, keep up the good work, tis nice to see some activity 1395021;1454469674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00057043 = 14.0326 BTC [+] {3} 1395022;1454469767;phf;( http://btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools ) 1395023;1454469768;assbot;funken_prikey_tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4zK86 ) 1395024;1454469918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7142 @ 0.00056509 = 4.0359 BTC [-] {2} 1395025;1454470000;mod6;;;later tell funkenstein_ thanks. yeah, that patch will be useful. will try to get it in right after the release. 1395026;1454470000;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1395027;1454470016;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395010 <<< nifty! thx 1395028;1454470016;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 03:05:02; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394898 <-- a backport patch of privkey import/export should you be so inclined to look: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/funken_prikey_tools.vpatch 1395029;1454470965;trinque;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/51bcb086-22bb-4daf-aad2-f2da5a837e87/ << anyone tell why that's an invalid transaction? when I sign it and feed to btcd, it tells me my R value is negative. 1395030;1454470966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/207LkuY ) 1395031;1454470977;trinque;hanbot: this is holding up your deed til I find out why it's happening 1395032;1454471260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20172 @ 0.00056108 = 11.3181 BTC [-] {3} 1395033;1454471748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0005679 = 1.5901 BTC [+] {3} 1395034;1454473097;mod6;trinque: what version of bitcoin? 1395035;1454474493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00055969 = 6.8764 BTC [-] {3} 1395036;1454475347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057043 = 17.5122 BTC [+] {2} 1395037;1454476063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anything in there ? 1395038;1454476112;mircea_popescu; 'world is small' << for any definition of "world" that excludes most idiots. 1395039;1454476152;mircea_popescu; a backport patch of privkey import/export should you be so inclined to look: http://frass.woodcoin.org/dev/funken_prikey_tools.vpatch << hey check that out! nice. 1395040;1454476153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/207Gjmf ) 1395041;1454476155;mircea_popescu;ima have to digest this. 1395042;1454476262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00057044 = 1.0838 BTC [+] 1395043;1454476629;pete_dushenski;^a test. you might see me logging in as 'pete_d_out' in the next week or so. if you do, please to +v! 1395044;1454476719;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/uH7jjhF.jpg << for the lulz. 1395045;1454476720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPc4ZY ) 1395046;1454476750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11019 @ 0.00056134 = 6.1854 BTC [-] {4} 1395047;1454476833;mircea_popescu;trinque this sounds like a bug in either the signing process or the btcd. 1395048;1454476838;mircea_popescu;how does the signed txn look ? 1395049;1454476962;danielpbarron;what is that toomim or something? 1395050;1454476977;pete_dushenski;l0l! 1395051;1454476990;pete_dushenski;i was thinking "burned out movie star" 1395052;1454476991;*;danielpbarron doesn't know what he looks like but can only assume.. 1395053;1454477308;mircea_popescu;it is a bitcoin expert / gavin economist / miner leader and otherwise important reddit person. 1395054;1454477339;pete_dushenski;luke-jr ? 1395055;1454478004;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394302 << waitwut. that's a tidy sum. 1395056;1454478004;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 19:41:01; jurov: princessnell: you have here 15675 s.qntr shares, want to do anything with them? 1395057;1454478092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.0005697 = 3.817 BTC [+] {3} 1395058;1454478123;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394262 << badass. 1395059;1454478123;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 18:01:26; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393853 << I met the guy at both PaulFest and PorcFest (pictured https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bre5M-MIMAEVoHf.jpg:large ) 1395060;1454478160;danielpbarron;I chatted him up too; he was a bit too socialist for my liking 1395061;1454478196;pete_dushenski;the 'einstein' expression mighta given that away 1395062;1454478231;pete_dushenski;https://www.viewfoo.com/uploads/images/702_1433440838_albert-einstein.jpg << compare and contrast 1395063;1454478403;danielpbarron;heh 1395064;1454478702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00057043 = 9.3836 BTC [+] {2} 1395065;1454479613;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/FreeStateNH/status/694763068010713088 >> We did it! 20,000 SIGNERS! @NHLibertyForum is gonna ROCK! Esp w/ Edward @Snowden speaking! http://NHLibertyForum.com << so it finally happened. Let's see how many actually move. 1395066;1454479616;assbot;Liberty Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/20oMvvy ) 1395067;1454479624;deedbot-;[Trilema] Black Book - http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/ 1395068;1454479822;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wassat ? 1395069;1454479910;danielpbarron;the idea was to nag as many people as possible into at least ~saying~ that they'd move to New Hampsire if 19.999k others said the same 1395070;1454479953;danielpbarron;and that once they all got there, they could finally change the government for good or something 1395071;1454479993;danielpbarron;thing started a decade ago at least, so it's been a long time coming 1395072;1454480014;mircea_popescu;oh that, right. 1395073;1454480030;BingoBoingo;20,000 people is enough for three rifle brigades and a support component 1395074;1454480038;mircea_popescu;20k isn't really enough to move nh tho is it ? 1395075;1454480052;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, more than half of these are women. 1395076;1454480062;mircea_popescu;it's just enough for half a concentration camp, really. 1395077;1454480094;danielpbarron;a good percent of the 20k are probably dead by now 1395078;1454480100;BingoBoingo;Crushing my dreams with you having come from a country with history. 1395079;1454480188;danielpbarron;happy to say I didn't cave in to their very persistent nagging when i was at porcfest, so I will not have to reneg on this moving nonsense 1395080;1454480410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00055972 = 15.896 BTC [-] {3} 1395081;1454480454;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/black-book/#comment-116421 1395082;1454480455;assbot;Black Book on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20oO0da ) 1395083;1454480830;mircea_popescu;lol 1395084;1454481221;pete_dushenski;;;tslb 1395085;1454481224;gribble;Time since last block: 21 minutes and 23 seconds 1395086;1454481447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00055937 = 2.0417 BTC [-] {3} 1395087;1454481935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00056868 = 6.881 BTC [+] {2} 1395088;1454483216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15665 @ 0.00055933 = 8.7619 BTC [-] {2} 1395089;1454483704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00056463 = 11.6878 BTC [+] {5} 1395090;1454484009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00057045 = 8.0719 BTC [+] 1395091;1454484229;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b86 1395092;1454486327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6825 @ 0.0005596 = 3.8193 BTC [-] 1395093;1454486449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00056302 = 2.1395 BTC [+] {3} 1395094;1454486754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00056545 = 1.2157 BTC [+] 1395095;1454487060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00055933 = 3.5238 BTC [-] {2} 1395096;1454490170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00056102 = 3.6736 BTC [+] {2} 1395097;1454491006;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394710 << will work on this 1395098;1454491006;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 00:15:59; mircea_popescu: actually polarbeard if you're looking for more backportage stuff to do ... rawtx thing. 1395099;1454492976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00056678 = 6.8864 BTC [+] {3} 1395100;1454493220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00057045 = 11.1238 BTC [+] 1395101;1454493769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21663 @ 0.00057045 = 12.3577 BTC [+] 1395102;1454494379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10121 @ 0.00057045 = 5.7735 BTC [+] 1395103;1454494745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00057045 = 7.7581 BTC [+] 1395104;1454495294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5373 @ 0.00056542 = 3.038 BTC [-] {2} 1395105;1454497551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00056917 = 6.3747 BTC [+] {2} 1395106;1454498161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00057044 = 7.5583 BTC [+] {2} 1395107;1454499869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00057045 = 25.2709 BTC [+] 1395108;1454504017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00056888 = 8.1634 BTC [-] 1395109;1454505029;jurov;;;tmsr 1395110;1454505030;gribble;Error: "tmsr" is not a valid command. 1395111;1454505651;asciilifeform;5x19x141x248.static-customer.iz.ertelecom.ru << in mircea_popescu's trb fleet ? 1395112;1454506199;asciilifeform;in other news, zoolag was blackholed for a record-breaking 8 hours. 1395113;1454506213;asciilifeform;the situation with 'all connections are equal' MUST DIE. 1395114;1454506222;asciilifeform;it is idiocy, plain and simple. 1395115;1454506243;asciilifeform;'hobo in the alley has same right to impregnate wife as master of the house' or how did mircea_popescu put it. 1395116;1454506262;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 18.41463281 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b87 1395117;1454506267;asciilifeform;of the things that most must die, it is this, verily. 1395118;1454506270;copypaste;woah 1395119;1454506273;copypaste;18BTC on no 1395120;1454507738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056888 = 1.9911 BTC [-] 1395121;1454508074;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394710 << will work on this << cool. hey funkenstein_ if you're going to rebase your patch to current tree i'm going to consider it also. hurry up tho lol. 1395122;1454508074;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 00:15:59; mircea_popescu: actually polarbeard if you're looking for more backportage stuff to do ... rawtx thing. 1395123;1454508111;mircea_popescu;copypaste> 18BTC on no << his fortunes markedly changed past coupla weeks it seems. 1395124;1454508181;copypaste;he lost one caucus narrowly 1395125;1454508201;copypaste;caucuses are not all or nothing 1395126;1454508213;copypaste;he's only one seat behind after the first state 1395127;1454508226;copypaste;i think he's doing quite well, i wouldn't be sure enough to put 18BTC on it that's for sure 1395128;1454508243;PeterL;so maybe he wins new hampshire next week, then we will see a bunch of yes bets? 1395129;1454508250;mircea_popescu;darn that bet comment section is something else. 1395130;1454508255;mircea_popescu;PeterL likely. 1395131;1454508288;mircea_popescu;copypaste i think the perception (at least my perception at any rate) is that he's a momentum player. all he has on his side is the image of winning, no further substance. 1395132;1454508297;mircea_popescu;for which reason, not-winning is a kiss of death for him. 1395133;1454508306;copypaste;ah, i see what you mean 1395134;1454508313;mircea_popescu;the way it wouldn't be for obama. he was, throughout, a loser. losing doesn't affect losers as it affects winners. 1395135;1454508470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21657 @ 0.00056933 = 12.33 BTC [+] 1395136;1454508651;copypaste;anyway, i have .2 on yes. his sureness will only enrich me >:) 1395137;1454508661;copypaste;(if i'm right) 1395138;1454508688;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1395139;1454508709;mircea_popescu;anyway, the best thing hilary could do for the cause of lulz if she won would be\ 1395140;1454508713;mircea_popescu;to take trump as vp 1395141;1454508763;PeterL;looks like there is no bet for cruz to get nomination? 1395142;1454508779;mircea_popescu;well if there isn't make it . 1395143;1454508918;copypaste;make it so i can vote on no 1395144;1454509842;PeterL;and speaking of presidential politics: rand paul just announced todayhe is dropping out of the race 1395145;1454509880;PeterL;so does the rand paul bet get settled as "no" now, or does it have to wait until the republican convention in the summer? 1395146;1454510008;mircea_popescu;prolly gets settled. 1395147;1454510011;mircea_popescu;say something there at any rate. 1395148;1454510169;PeterL;commented on the bet page. 1395149;1454510280;PeterL;I wonder if the other candidates who got lower votes in Iowa than Rand will drop out too? 1395150;1454510312;mircea_popescu;i wonder if rand will spend the next 50 years with a tiny rabid fanbase and a few %s each election. 1395151;1454510350;mircea_popescu;and as a side wonder, i wonder how many people even knew iowa was a state. 1395152;1454510392;PeterL;it in the animaniacs sond of all the state names, so therefore we all know it, right? 1395153;1454510406;PeterL;*song 1395154;1454510516;mircea_popescu;lol 1395155;1454510727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056933 = 1.9927 BTC [+] 1395156;1454511126;mircea_popescu;lol so the redditard/tardstalk/whatever idiot parade settled on "we know better than mp because random derp said we do" ? 1395157;1454511128;mircea_popescu;fun. 1395158;1454512293;mircea_popescu;here's something to help BingoBoingo pass the winter : http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1848712_1420843killercurves3_jpegf7a5386b784f877d48afebd2b0fb0ea2 1395159;1454512294;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/2092VTd ) 1395160;1454512496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00057043 = 26.7532 BTC [+] {2} 1395161;1454512862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00056888 = 1.1378 BTC [-] 1395162;1454513533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00056844 = 8.5834 BTC [-] {2} 1395163;1454513916;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1395164;1454515026;punkman;https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees-usd?showDataPoints=false×pan=1year&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7&scale=0&address= not bad 1395165;1454515027;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction Fees in USD ... ( http://bit.ly/1SY414Z ) 1395166;1454515059;mircea_popescu;aha. 1395167;1454515118;mircea_popescu;up to 1-200k a day it can keep going. that's finally a relevant metric worth considering. 1395168;1454515675;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaOfMvMUAAAHc59.jpg:large 1395169;1454515676;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SY584B ) 1395170;1454516464;polarbeard;incest: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb 1395171;1454516467;assbot;GitHub - polarbeard/trb: The Real Bitcoin™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QcCPJQ ) 1395172;1454516483;polarbeard;actually git comes handy to manage trb patch-sets 1395173;1454516506;mircea_popescu;punkman i dunno how much i credit this accounting approach. 1395174;1454516530;mircea_popescu;sort of like counting the fucks over your life. odds are the most times you fucked the women you liked least. it's how it works for most people. 1395175;1454516603;mircea_popescu;einstein comes up with "god doesn't roll dice", switzerland gets +1, newton comes up with calculus "great britain" gets +1 ? 1395176;1454516651;mircea_popescu;science has no country. the pretense to the contrary is not unlike some derps sitting on reddit going "people whose names start with m are more great than people whose names start with i because mp > indiancandy so THERE!11" 1395177;1454516723;mircea_popescu;review the letters, the reason calculus was invented as well as documented has everything to do with newton being part of the b-a of his time, going under the name "lion's claw" and ~0 to do with the happenstance that some derp battling hygiene wore a hunk of metal now and again for a hat. 1395178;1454516784;mircea_popescu;polarbeard lol that should be lulzy. 1395179;1454516822;polarbeard;next step is to get svn involved somehow 1395180;1454516888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00056717 = 6.5792 BTC [-] {4} 1395181;1454516949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17506 @ 0.0005651 = 9.8926 BTC [-] {3} 1395182;1454517523;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1395183;1454517574;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: about sendtawtx I've found this material: http://dpaste.com/1P62G6W 1395184;1454517576;assbot;dpaste: 1P62G6W ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYiATu ) 1395185;1454517589;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395170 << at least 2 people did this, for some reason, before 1395186;1454517589;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 16:21:04; polarbeard: incest: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb 1395187;1454517593;ascii_butugychag;( ben_vulpes ? ) 1395188;1454517611;ascii_butugychag;i really don't see the appeal, esp. now that phf has the colourized viewer thing 1395189;1454517624;ascii_butugychag;(which ~really~ needs to be come the canonical patch swallower and lxr replacement ) 1395190;1454517635;ascii_butugychag;srsly lxr is lame 1395191;1454517662;polarbeard;ascii_butugychag: I pushed just 4 fun, I actually just need git to manage my branch with the fancy logs 1395192;1454517683;polarbeard;I tried plain fs but too much cd'ing around and got confused 1395193;1454517703;thestringpuller;lxr? 1395194;1454517714;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395141 << when americans stuff ballot box, they like to set it up as 'dark horse candidate' 1395195;1454517714;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 14:12:43; PeterL: looks like there is no bet for cruz to get nomination? 1395196;1454517721;ascii_butugychag;!s lxr 1395197;1454517721;assbot;151 results for 'lxr' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lxr 1395198;1454517754;ascii_butugychag;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << y'know, THAT thing 1395199;1454517755;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaeKaR ) 1395200;1454517772;ascii_butugychag;right now i'm stuck with it 1395201;1454517774;polarbeard;oh, ouch, eyes hurt 1395202;1454517787;ascii_butugychag;i refuse to read the code in anything where i can't click an identifier and get concordance 1395203;1454517813;ascii_butugychag;(yes, this includes paper book, which HAD FUCKING BETTER have concordance indices in all margins on every page) 1395204;1454517837;ascii_butugychag;i do NOT have the time, energy, or inclindation to fucking HUNT for 'where is this defined' 1395205;1454517841;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: you are so demanding! 1395206;1454517864;thestringpuller;isn't that what IDE is for? 1395207;1454517870;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: recall that the whole project appeared largely on account of my unreasonable demands 1395208;1454517964;thestringpuller;I understand you are high maintenance ascii_butugychag it's okay, that's why we <3 you. 1395209;1454517969;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395177 << science ~does~ 'have a country~ in the sense that newton was not and could not have been from zimbabwe. 1395210;1454517969;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 16:25:23; mircea_popescu: review the letters, the reason calculus was invented as well as documented has everything to do with newton being part of the b-a of his time, going under the name "lion's claw" and ~0 to do with the happenstance that some derp battling hygiene wore a hunk of metal now and again for a hat. 1395211;1454517987;ascii_butugychag;(or rather, the pisshole that then existed there) 1395212;1454518018;mircea_popescu;srsly ascii_butugychag : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected&_i=uint64 1395213;1454518019;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected identifier search: uint64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYjwHJ ) 1395214;1454518025;mircea_popescu;click on definition, see http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected#0023 1395215;1454518027;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYjxeI ) 1395216;1454518027;mircea_popescu;etc. 1395217;1454518060;ascii_butugychag;aha but this all needs to be in 1 place 1395218;1454518068;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: I read newton's calculus wasn't actually released. it was lebiniz who published it. 1395219;1454518069;ascii_butugychag;and be vtronic. 1395220;1454518091;mircea_popescu;yaya. but lxr is still pretty good, and a good basis for vtronic same-thing 1395221;1454518094;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: it is partly why we use l's notation 1395222;1454518107;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395211 << give me teenaged zimbabwe girl of my choice, i'll einstein her. 1395223;1454518107;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 16:46:27; ascii_butugychag: (or rather, the pisshole that then existed there) 1395224;1454518112;mircea_popescu;the country really has NOTHING to do with it. 1395225;1454518123;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: actually lxr is ~profoundly~ retarded in that i can't link to line numbers 1395226;1454518132;mircea_popescu;i just linked to line numbers above 1395227;1454518143;mircea_popescu;#0023 part. 1395228;1454518145;ascii_butugychag;hm 1395229;1454518157;ascii_butugychag;nm i was thinking of the earlier thing 1395230;1454518158;mircea_popescu;you gotta simmer down with the readily set wrath bit! 1395231;1454518160;ascii_butugychag;that we junked 1395232;1454518213;ascii_butugychag;anyway, a thing that gives vtronic lxr that also would eat patches and let you walk the vtree, would be ~the~ answer. 1395233;1454518219;mircea_popescu;aye. 1395234;1454518230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20653 @ 0.00057045 = 11.7815 BTC [+] 1395235;1454518248;mircea_popescu;splendor of splendors. and if we can somehow merge the eating so both the current model and an error-passing irc bot based method exist... 1395236;1454518264;mircea_popescu;jurov really can't be expected to baby people sending stuff WRONGLY for the rest of his days. 1395237;1454518275;mircea_popescu;gotta make a bot, that'll say "hey dummy... you only put the sig in!" 1395238;1454518280;ascii_butugychag;he's prolly almost as tired of reading'em as i am of sending 1395239;1454518288;thestringpuller;jurov-bot will do babysitting in future 1395240;1454518300;polarbeard;jubot 1395241;1454518305;mircea_popescu;last time i did it it went flawlessly. the time before that, i took three tries because i fucked up twice. 1395242;1454518321;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: have you carried out experiments re: blackholes nodes ? 1395243;1454518324;mircea_popescu;thoroughly pebkac issues fwis. 1395244;1454518329;mircea_popescu;some. 1395245;1454518341;mircea_popescu;oddly enough i don't get blackholed nearly as often as you do o.O 1395246;1454518347;ascii_butugychag;i can say at this point that it is not a network issue as such 1395247;1454518352;ascii_butugychag;restart - always cures 1395248;1454518371;mircea_popescu;i dunno what it is, i've never seen it before trb myself, nor a really good one since. 1395249;1454518375;mircea_popescu;8 hrs ? srsly ? 1395250;1454518376;ascii_butugychag;blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged 1395251;1454518384;ascii_butugychag;while the network thread continues to accept connections 1395252;1454518391;ascii_butugychag;8hrs until i reset it. 1395253;1454518413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8604 @ 0.00056058 = 4.8232 BTC [-] {2} 1395254;1454518449;punkman;there have been a lot of DoS bugs since 0.5.3 1395255;1454518471;punkman;and probably not mentioned in changelogs either 1395256;1454518535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4896 @ 0.00055995 = 2.7415 BTC [-] 1395257;1454518538;ascii_butugychag;what i do know is that -connect nodes within my walls do not ever blackhole. 1395258;1454518541;mircea_popescu;obviously. why not be useless to the bitter end. power rangering ftw! 1395259;1454518576;ascii_butugychag;nor does idem, running on SAME BOX as zoolag in parallel with it and -connected to it and the other trbs. 1395260;1454518593;ascii_butugychag;(yes i have two blockchains, different users, etc on it) 1395261;1454518731;ascii_butugychag;one of the reasons i wrote shiva, 1395262;1454518745;ascii_butugychag;is so that we can get to a place where there is NEVER a situation of 'i wonder wtf the node is doing' 1395263;1454518749;thestringpuller;the power rangers seem to be able to line up gullible investors better than zuckerberg and that napster guy...justin timberlake was it? 1395264;1454518762;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1395265;1454518882;ascii_butugychag;does nobody but me actually watch their trb logs ? 1395266;1454518892;ascii_butugychag;these things spend a good chunk of their time not node-in !1111 1395267;1454518898;ascii_butugychag;*-ing 1395268;1454518906;thestringpuller;i thought tail -f debug.log was the only way to see what was actually going on 1395269;1454518936;ascii_butugychag;and then you people wonder why your tx is stuck on mars without a return ticket 1395270;1454518949;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: it doesn't tell you worth shit re: a stuck node. 1395271;1454518972;thestringpuller;i haven't experienced that problem yet. 1395272;1454518989;ascii_butugychag;do you have the log scrolling 24/7 ? 1395273;1454518996;ascii_butugychag;chances are you simply aren't looking. 1395274;1454519001;ascii_butugychag;if you haven't see it. 1395275;1454519008;thestringpuller;yea. but I don't ~look~ at the log 24/7 1395276;1454519015;ascii_butugychag;plot block receipt times. 1395277;1454519019;ascii_butugychag;you're in for a surprise. 1395278;1454519052;ascii_butugychag;(write it in shiva!) 1395279;1454519059;thestringpuller;~_~ 1395280;1454519062;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> chances are you simply aren't looking. << grep exists you know. 1395281;1454519086;ascii_butugychag;or grep, sure 1395282;1454519087;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag says "LISP is you friend" so I'll give it a try. 1395283;1454519098;thestringpuller;Reminds me of when gf is like "eat these vegetables they won't kill you" 1395284;1454519112;mircea_popescu;also, the timing as presented by the node is not terribly reliable. 1395285;1454519120;mircea_popescu;minutewise it works, but otherwise... meh 1395286;1454519130;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: sorta why i'd rather plot externally than grep 1395287;1454519133;ascii_butugychag;the logs suck arse 1395288;1454519146;polarbeard;^ 1395289;1454519187;ascii_butugychag;but thing is, i specifically am interested in what the thing is doing when it is ~unable to produce log~ 1395290;1454519193;ascii_butugychag;(or do any other useful work) 1395291;1454519216;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, i found that a blackholed node won't respond to rpc 1395292;1454519223;polarbeard;you can backport zmq B) 1395293;1454519227;thestringpuller;oh wait. that has happened to me. 1395294;1454519227;ascii_butugychag;(it is in the global idiot lock) 1395295;1454519233;mircea_popescu;polarbeard do you lisp/scheme incidentally ? 1395296;1454519241;thestringpuller;where node stops responding, last time though it brought the whole machine down tho. 1395297;1454519248;polarbeard;I used to 1395298;1454519339;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1395299;1454519744;phf;can probably add something like lxr, but i need a better idea of how they do c++ parsing/indexing 1395300;1454519808;PeterL;ascii_butugychag> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395141 << when americans stuff ballot box, they like to set it up as 'dark horse candidate' << I wouldn't call Cruz a dark horse, there are just so many candidates he must have been overlooked, we didn't get bets for huckabee, santorum, fiorina, christie, etc, either 1395301;1454519808;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 14:12:43; PeterL: looks like there is no bet for cruz to get nomination? 1395302;1454520024;*;shinohai actually does: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395272 1395303;1454520024;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:03:09; ascii_butugychag: do you have the log scrolling 24/7 ? 1395304;1454520071;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1395305;1454520100;ascii_butugychag;soo i had an idea 1395306;1454520107;shinohai;>.> 1395307;1454520113;ascii_butugychag;how to determine, without major surgery, what a wedged node is doing 1395308;1454520115;ascii_butugychag;https://www.osadl.org/Dumping-gcov-data-at-runtime-simple-ex.online-coverage-analysis.0.html 1395309;1454520117;assbot;Dumping gcov data at runtime - simple example : OSADL - Open Source Automation Development Lab eG ... ( http://bit.ly/1PUL4jj ) 1395310;1454520153;ascii_butugychag;this is sorta like what i did with massif 1395311;1454520155;ascii_butugychag;!s massif 1395312;1454520156;assbot;11 results for 'massif' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=massif 1395313;1454520157;polarbeard;nice 1395314;1454520164;ascii_butugychag;somebody try this ? 1395315;1454520200;ascii_butugychag;it needs to be on auto-trigger 1395316;1454520203;ascii_butugychag;external proggy watches log 1395317;1454520211;ascii_butugychag;if no block for... 1hr+ ? 1395318;1454520212;ascii_butugychag;then fire. 1395319;1454520218;ascii_butugychag;but not until then! 1395320;1454520306;ascii_butugychag;i strongly suspect that we will uncover a deadlock. 1395321;1454520352;polarbeard;I'll definitely have to checkout gcov itself first 1395322;1454520363;ascii_butugychag;polarbeard: comes with gcc 1395323;1454520376;ascii_butugychag;you already have it. 1395324;1454520392;ascii_butugychag;!s gcov 1395325;1454520393;assbot;23 results for 'gcov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gcov 1395326;1454520406;polarbeard;yep, but I didn't know such thing existed 1395327;1454520442;polarbeard;will play with it, definitively 1395328;1454520498;thestringpuller;debuggin threads is the most painful thing to debug. 1395329;1454520502;jurov;lxr may be vtronic *if and when* someone takes my questions serious. so, asking again, what to do with reground or otherwise resubmitted patches? 1395330;1454520517;jurov;since renaming is out of the question 1395331;1454520523;thestringpuller;it's like exterminating cockroaches that refuse to die. 1395332;1454520570;ascii_butugychag;jurov: append '-old' to the old name ? 1395333;1454520584;polarbeard;sequence in filename? 1395334;1454520598;ascii_butugychag;nobody signs the names 1395335;1454520600;ascii_butugychag;can rename all you like 1395336;1454520610;jurov;bubutbut mutilation!!!&%#%$ 1395337;1454520620;ascii_butugychag;gotta rename the sig too 1395338;1454520628;ascii_butugychag;i was pissed because turdatron did not rename both 1395339;1454520631;polarbeard;well names are for humans, I think humans is what jurov is concerned with 1395340;1454520654;jurov;iirc whole lxr thing is for humans 1395341;1454520657;polarbeard;otherwise just check the sig date using pgp, last patch wins 1395342;1454520676;ascii_butugychag;jurov: for humans, but the idea here is that it ought to be able to swallow new patches 1395343;1454520681;ascii_butugychag;without manual curation every time 1395344;1454520687;ascii_butugychag;and show a coherent tree 1395345;1454520736;ascii_butugychag;so long as every patch ever submitted can be pressed to, the thing works correctly. 1395346;1454520745;polarbeard;but actually you need to store all versions in some common place to do further checking, they should come with different filenames... 1395347;1454520754;ascii_butugychag;and if it can be pressed to, 1395348;1454520762;ascii_butugychag;it can be viewed as an lxr. 1395349;1454520904;jurov;so won't you take exception with branches in lxr named vpatchname_YYYMMMDD or vpatchname_SHA1 ? 1395350;1454520921;jurov;(latter bring the original idea) 1395351;1454520926;jurov;*being 1395352;1454520995;mod6;ascii_butugychag: is this kinda what you were asking for yesterday? A vdiff of a pressed original patches (minus PVS fix) + shiva with pressed mod6's integrated patch + malleus regrind + shiva ? 1395353;1454520998;ascii_butugychag;jurov: the latter is a no-go because sigs ! 1395354;1454521000;mod6;http://dpaste.com/04SAJHB.txt 1395355;1454521002;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMvF30 ) 1395356;1454521002;ascii_butugychag;it fucking breaks v! 1395357;1454521023;ascii_butugychag;mod6: nope. 1395358;1454521037;mod6;please explain again so i can get this completed. 1395359;1454521047;ascii_butugychag;i wanted a diff of a) the result of applying my original patches b) the result of applying yours 1395360;1454521051;ascii_butugychag;not the v output 1395361;1454521052;ascii_butugychag;the tree. 1395362;1454521056;ascii_butugychag;the two trees, diffed. 1395363;1454521061;ascii_butugychag;see why ? 1395364;1454521062;mod6;scroll to the bottom. 1395365;1454521070;mod6;i did vdiff of the pressed out stuff. 1395366;1454521071;jurov;not really, sigs were supposed to carry SHA1 of the patch they apply to 1395367;1454521076;polarbeard;jurov: sha would be large and annoying, date +%s would be enough I think 1395368;1454521093;ascii_butugychag;why is there any difference ? 1395369;1454521121;jurov;just a cosmetic difference 1395370;1454521127;polarbeard;and timestamp also keep order 1395371;1454521128;ascii_butugychag;nono this re: mod6's thing 1395372;1454521142;ascii_butugychag;jurov: also why do we have sha1 in the mix 1395373;1454521144;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> the two trees, diffed. << i believe this is what I have and what you're looking for, is it not? 1395374;1454521177;ascii_butugychag;mod6: something is very wrong here 1395375;1454521186;mod6;ok, how? 1395376;1454521190;ascii_butugychag;it is as if the pvs fix is not in one of the trees ? 1395377;1454521201;mod6;it ~isn~ 1395378;1454521203;mod6;t 1395379;1454521211;mod6;its only on the right hand side. 1395380;1454521212;ascii_butugychag;well then this is not what i asked for 1395381;1454521222;mod6;the left hand side is just the ~original~ patches + shiva 1395382;1454521240;ascii_butugychag;i wanted to see a diff of my tree (pvs, and my pvs fix, and shiva, and the shiva fix) vs yours (where the patches and their bugfixes were agglomerated) 1395383;1454521245;jurov;sha1 because i wanted to track files by contents and sha1 was at hand 1395384;1454521255;ascii_butugychag;the trees, as i understand, ought to be ~the same~ after each scenario 1395385;1454521264;jurov;since name+date was decided, will use that 1395386;1454521312;ascii_butugychag;jurov: how will you deal with sigs produced after the patch submission date ? 1395387;1454521319;ascii_butugychag;e.g., mircea_popescu signs my patch, etc 1395388;1454521362;ascii_butugychag;also all existing vtrons, afaik, match sigs to patches by using the filename. 1395389;1454521365;punkman;submitting patches with the same name kinda confuses things, maybe we could not do it instead? 1395390;1454521386;jurov;punkman i said that, there were screams it's not vtronic 1395391;1454521387;ascii_butugychag;i'm all for not-doing-it 1395392;1454521393;polarbeard;ascii_butugychag: why can't sigs have the same timestamp? 1395393;1454521412;ascii_butugychag;polarbeard: because sigs submitted arbitrarily later than the patch !!! 1395394;1454521419;polarbeard;it's just a version string 1395395;1454521425;ascii_butugychag;by OTHER PEOPLE 1395396;1454521430;ascii_butugychag;who are not the patch author 1395397;1454521436;polarbeard;it happens to be the unix time because is pseudo-universal 1395398;1454521455;polarbeard;for the rate that patches get built I think it will be fine 1395399;1454521469;ascii_butugychag;existing pgptrons do not, afaik, allow you to specify a custom timestamp 1395400;1454521481;ascii_butugychag;and i have no intention of asking people to use a patched pgptron simply so they can use v 1395401;1454521499;polarbeard;you're talking about the file metadata? 1395402;1454521520;phf;hehe, poor ascii 1395403;1454521568;jurov;anyway, matching the signature against all versions of one patch isn't so big thing to swallow 1395404;1454521574;polarbeard;I mean a timestamp in the filename author_patch_thing_$(date +%s).vpatch 1395405;1454521591;ascii_butugychag;jurov: sure but now every vtron would need to be rewritten to actually break down filenames 1395406;1454521600;ascii_butugychag;and existing patches - renamed, etc 1395407;1454521603;ascii_butugychag;this is nasty 1395408;1454521616;ascii_butugychag;also using signature timestamps for anything is idiotic 1395409;1454521628;ascii_butugychag;cardano for instance will NOT have a clock 1395410;1454521632;ascii_butugychag;and produces CONSTANT timestamp. 1395411;1454521705;polarbeard;still don't see how we can't have author_file_unixtime.vpatch and author_file_unixtime.vpatch.author.sig 1395412;1454521714;jurov;actually no, people will rename them manually, the curation as you intended all along 1395413;1454521721;polarbeard;and that would not require renaming past patches actually 1395414;1454521768;ascii_butugychag;jurov: how about we have the simple and sane solution - a name can be used once. 1395415;1454521773;ascii_butugychag;submit duplicate ? rejected. 1395416;1454521783;ascii_butugychag;not duplicate? accepted, without motherfucking mangling 1395417;1454521787;ascii_butugychag;for all time. 1395418;1454521794;jurov;i am sooooo in favot of adding another hurdle to turdatron!!! 1395419;1454521807;ascii_butugychag;this is not a hurdle. 1395420;1454521809;ascii_butugychag;it is sanity. 1395421;1454521830;ascii_butugychag;demanding that world move and rearrange itself because somebody wants to reuse a name, is lunacy. 1395422;1454521859;ascii_butugychag;this also handily LEAVES ALONE all existing vtrons 1395423;1454521870;ascii_butugychag;does not require 1000 extra lines of regex crapola in any. 1395424;1454521871;ascii_butugychag;etc 1395425;1454521903;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1395426;1454521906;ascii_butugychag;~patch submitter~ has the responsibility of coming up with a unique name. 1395427;1454521930;ascii_butugychag;every. single. time. 1395428;1454521973;polarbeard;so no patch replacements? 1395429;1454521996;ascii_butugychag;no. imho it is the entirely wrong way to go about it. 1395430;1454522010;ascii_butugychag;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al can produce curated trees simply by signing. 1395431;1454522024;ascii_butugychag;using renaming for curation is intensely anti-vtronic. 1395432;1454522055;jurov;i agree, let's have unique names 1395433;1454522061;ascii_butugychag;finally. 1395434;1454522127;polarbeard;I completely see unique names are a must, but if you don't replace you'll keep mistakes in the tree? 1395435;1454522140;ascii_butugychag;the mistakes live forever. 1395436;1454522146;ascii_butugychag;BUT they are not in the longest chain! 1395437;1454522151;ascii_butugychag;they get orphaned. 1395438;1454522158;ascii_butugychag;this is intrinsic to how v works 1395439;1454522161;ascii_butugychag;and the whole point of it. 1395440;1454522168;polarbeard;oh, now I see the complete picture 1395441;1454522175;ascii_butugychag;every patch ever written ~is in the tree~ as it appears to archaeologists 1395442;1454522183;ascii_butugychag;mod6 doesn't have to host it on his site 1395443;1454522205;ascii_butugychag;but the global, imaginary tree contains all vpatches ever authored 1395444;1454522210;mod6;ascii_butugychag: http://dpaste.com/18AKCK5.txt 1395445;1454522212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kql2lC ) 1395446;1454522234;ascii_butugychag;your local one consists of all of the ones you downloaded for which you have the signatures you accept as valid 1395447;1454522256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65929 @ 0.00055938 = 36.8794 BTC [-] {6} 1395448;1454522264;ascii_butugychag;mod6: ok now ~that's~ it 1395449;1454522266;ascii_butugychag;neato! 1395450;1454522268;ascii_butugychag;ty mod6 1395451;1454522272;mod6;ok np 1395452;1454522273;ascii_butugychag;safe to fire. 1395453;1454522282;ascii_butugychag;no apparent differences. 1395454;1454522292;phf;fwiw deleting a patch doesn't "remove it" as such, but ensures that all descendants are unpressable 1395455;1454522305;mod6;i guess that makes sense you wanted to see it that way - i thought the first way just because that way there ~is~ a diff to look at. but maybe this is better. 1395456;1454522322;ascii_butugychag;phf: not so much unpressable, but that ~you~ lost the ancestors 1395457;1454522347;ascii_butugychag;mod6: waitasec 1395458;1454522350;mod6;sup 1395459;1454522365;ascii_butugychag;what i am expecting to see in a correct press is for the trees to be IDENTICAL 1395460;1454522378;ascii_butugychag;your patches ought to add up to same thing as mine did 1395461;1454522412;mod6;are they not identical? 1395462;1454522427;ascii_butugychag;looks like they are 1395463;1454522438;ascii_butugychag;supposing that your vtron works correctly 1395464;1454522453;ascii_butugychag;this means that the new patches have the same effect as the old. 1395465;1454522473;mod6;well, hopefully my vtron works correctly. 1395466;1454522512;*;ascii_butugychag is still not sure why it was necessary to discard the history and compress the old patch + its fix into a new one 1395467;1454522525;ascii_butugychag;but looks like it was done correctly. 1395468;1454522556;mod6;i dunno either now, that was a giant pain in the ass. 1395469;1454522568;ascii_butugychag;i mean hey, it's ~my~ history of bug-crapping that is being whitewashed over, so i shouldn't complain... but still 1395470;1454522620;mod6;in other news, ive got a patch for V that's not only the fix for the post-press hash checking, but also for the problem when running the graphing tool with a node that has no decendants. and a couple of small cleanup things. 1395471;1454522628;ascii_butugychag;neato! 1395472;1454522637;mod6;I'll probably just send the patch to the ML to recruit people to help me test over the next two weeks. 1395473;1454522652;mod6;(with some instructions etc) 1395474;1454522654;PeterL;if you have patches a->b->c and you decide to get rid of b, you should end up with a->b->c->(-b), not with a->c' (where c' is reground c without b patch) , do I understand correct? 1395475;1454522668;mod6;then if all is good, i'll roll up another publication of the whole thing & call it v99995 1395476;1454522674;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: aha, i call this an 'antipatch' 1395477;1454522677;ascii_butugychag;or antimatter patch 1395478;1454522698;PeterL;is the antimatter patch the correct way to do it? 1395479;1454522698;mod6;ok lunch time! 1395480;1454522706;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: imho it is. 1395481;1454522711;punkman;darcs also has "inverse patches" in their "theory" 1395482;1454522725;ascii_butugychag;and i officially consider regrinds a thing to be avoided if at all physically possible 1395483;1454522759;ascii_butugychag;they smack of pious fraud, 'this was always perfect, born of the gods' 1395484;1454522778;shinohai;o/ mod6 didja get some sleep ? 1395485;1454522788;PeterL;why not just regrind all the patches off the genesis and act like we fixed it in one blow? 1395486;1454522789;punkman;don't we have to be careful with the antipatches though, so as not to introduce cycles in the graph? 1395487;1454522825;ascii_butugychag;punkman: if a patch creates a cycle, it is ipso facto invalid. 1395488;1454522834;ascii_butugychag;(and this oughta be checked for by a vtron) 1395489;1454522858;ascii_butugychag;and it is trivially possible to unwind to arbitrary point without creating a cycle 1395490;1454522862;ascii_butugychag;(leave a comment.) 1395491;1454522878;PeterL;so in my example, if you add a patch d, it could equally be added to (-b) or (c') ? 1395492;1454522900;punkman;ascii_butugychag: right, I guess good time to remind people 1395493;1454522917;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: definitely not 1395494;1454522929;ascii_butugychag;as that would require the hash of (-b) and (c') to be equal 1395495;1454522929;PeterL;why not? 1395496;1454522933;ascii_butugychag;which would be a cycle. 1395497;1454522941;PeterL;wouldn't they be equal? 1395498;1454522964;ascii_butugychag;draw this on paper. 1395499;1454522980;ascii_butugychag;no cycles. 1395500;1454522981;ascii_butugychag;ever. 1395501;1454522983;ascii_butugychag;this is axiomatic. 1395502;1454523043;punkman;https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Understanding_Darcs/Patch_theory#Commutation 1395503;1454523043;assbot;Understanding Darcs/Patch theory - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1UKKpPF ) 1395504;1454523118;ascii_butugychag;'To understand commutation, you should understand why we cannot keep our original patches, but are forced to rely on evil step sisters instead.' << seems like they solved it in the PRECISELY most-anti-vtronic way. 1395505;1454523123;ascii_butugychag;which is mega-unsurprising 1395506;1454523131;ascii_butugychag;because they aren't tmsr and do not have our axioms. 1395507;1454523157;phf;(peace be upon them 1395508;1454523183;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1395509;1454523250;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395502 << mega-recommended to mircea_popescu , great for some indigestion 1395510;1454523250;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:10:43; punkman: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Understanding_Darcs/Patch_theory#Commutation 1395511;1454523415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00056299 = 13.2021 BTC [+] {2} 1395512;1454523463;punkman;ascii_butugychag: this looks useful when regrinding things https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Understanding_Darcs/Patch_theory#The_complex_undo_revisited 1395513;1454523463;assbot;Understanding Darcs/Patch theory - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kqo5u2 ) 1395514;1454523546;PeterL;ascii_butugychag> as that would require the hash of (-b) and (c') to be equal << is it looking at the hash of the pressed value, which should be the same, or the hash of the patches themselves, which I understand are quite different? 1395515;1454523728;PeterL;!up ascii_butugychag 1395516;1454524940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00056246 = 5.2028 BTC [-] {2} 1395517;1454525244;mod6;<+shinohai> o/ mod6 didja get some sleep ? << ah ya. no worries :] 1395518;1454525449;jurov;http://www.iflscience.com/technology/new-lithium-battery-5-times-better-current-ones lithium superoxide to every pocket! 1395519;1454525450;assbot;New Lithium Battery Is Five Times Better Than Current Ones | IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQp15Z ) 1395520;1454525485;shinohai;"This also means that Gavins assumptions/estimates regarding the usage for 20 MB blocks unfortunately were very wrong:" https://redd.it/440cq6 1395521;1454525487;assbot;Setup and stats of my full node : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQp5T4 ) 1395522;1454525550;phf;so there's two sig's that are not sha512. genesis.vpatch.trinque.sig is sha256 and polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch.polarbeard.sig is sha1 1395523;1454525680;phf;perhaps something that v should filter by 1395524;1454525821;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1395525;1454525838;mod6;ascii_butugychag: here's another look at the difference between both via sha512 hash diff: http://dpaste.com/0SAENPF.txt 1395526;1454525840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQpLI9 ) 1395527;1454526038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17473 @ 0.00055933 = 9.7732 BTC [-] {2} 1395528;1454526085;phf;i was trying to see if could look up the corresponding vpatch by decoding the sig's hash, and then assoc into a precomputed map of vpatch hashes. unfortunately openpgp concats the sig header to the payload, so can't precompute :/ 1395529;1454526411;jurov;phf this was tried several times but since the hash in the signature is done with a date and whatnot, 1395530;1454526423;jurov;it can't be used to identify signed document 1395531;1454526526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00055933 = 2.545 BTC [-] 1395532;1454526642;ascii_butugychag;aha this was the first major 'pgp is broken beyond repair' thread, iirc. 1395533;1454527259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22332 @ 0.00055933 = 12.491 BTC [-] 1395534;1454527655;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1395535;1454528559;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395265 << i have it tail -f'ing split on a monitor along with my Eulora explore bot logs, always in my periphery 1395536;1454528559;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:01:22; ascii_butugychag: does nobody but me actually watch their trb logs ? 1395537;1454528586;danielpbarron;although honestly the Eulora log is way more interesting 1395538;1454528655;thestringpuller;as are most RPG logs 1395539;1454528872;mod6;i read trb logs every day. who doesn't? 1395540;1454528884;mod6;nearly 5 years now. 1395541;1454528914;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1395542;1454528926;ascii_butugychag;trb is what, 14 mo. old ? 1395543;1454528945;mod6;oh thought you meant #b-a 1395544;1454528957;mod6;trb logs === mailing list? 1395545;1454528976;ascii_butugychag;no 1395546;1454528980;ascii_butugychag;debug.log 1395547;1454528981;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1395548;1454528988;mod6;oooh. hhahah 1395549;1454529008;mod6;duh duh durr durrr durrr durr dur dur 1395550;1454529027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00056395 = 2.3968 BTC [+] {2} 1395551;1454529738;trinque;speaking of which, thanks to the helping hand of the other republic nodes, deedbot.org is a fully synced trb public node 1395552;1454529759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00056396 = 3.3838 BTC [+] 1395553;1454529795;mod6;cool! 1395554;1454529799;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1395555;1454529808;ascii_butugychag;congrats trinque ! 1395556;1454529887;felipelalli;Thank you trinque! 1395557;1454530103;jurov;felipelalli: http://bitcoinwot.com/ what does this do? 1395558;1454530104;assbot;Bitcoin OTC WoT para preguiçosos ... ( http://bit.ly/209J0DH ) 1395559;1454530137;jurov;(linked from http://deedbot.org/deed-396348-1.txt ... maybe unicode was the problem) 1395560;1454530138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/209J3zt ) 1395561;1454530186;trinque;jurov: nah, deedbot is still jammed until I get trb to send the next bundle 1395562;1454530196;trinque;I've got my key imported (via pywallet into wallet.dat) 1395563;1454530208;trinque;going to poke it more in a bit 1395564;1454530228;mod6;kewl. i seem to recall having to do a -rescan afterward but i could be wrong 1395565;1454530237;mod6;(after importing privkey) 1395566;1454530246;trinque;ah k 1395567;1454530523;felipelalli;jurov, it is the Bitcoin OTC WoT for the lazy 1395568;1454530715;felipelalli;but it is version zero, only alpha, not so serious yet. 1395569;1454530735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.0005635 = 9.1569 BTC [-] {4} 1395570;1454530742;felipelalli;trinque, the start of the problem was my expired key, wasn't it? 1395571;1454530747;trinque;nope, coincidental 1395572;1454530788;trinque;for some reason my concoction of pybitcointools and btcd stopped making valid transactions 1395573;1454530839;ascii_butugychag;felipelalli: java, winblowz ?! 1395574;1454530864;ascii_butugychag;when do we get 'reactor controlz for the lazy' 1395575;1454530885;*;shinohai saw that .jar file, clicked off. 1395576;1454530926;jurov;felipelalli: i can see, but...user that doesn't know how to make a signature or talk to gribble don't have anything to do in otc 1395577;1454530931;felipelalli;ascii_butugychag, unfortunately yes. 1395578;1454530972;ascii_butugychag;felipelalli: you say this as if you had no choice ? 1395579;1454530984;felipelalli;jurov, I understand. But it is being very useful so far in Brazilian community. Actually the app can sign messages (not verify it yet) 1395580;1454531023;jurov;what doies "very useful" mean? 1395581;1454531089;danielpbarron;let me see if i can make one of those funny metaphores out of this: "that's like a cock that can get you pregnant, but you can't have sex with it" 1395582;1454531110;felipelalli;lol, I knew that you guys would say that. 1395583;1454531147;PeterL;Do they not have real computers in Brazil? 1395584;1454531184;BingoBoingo; when do we get 'reactor controlz for the lazy' << In Japan. Turns out Fukushima was running off of one of those dollar store Sharp organizers. 1395585;1454531186;felipelalli;jurov, they are learning the importance of the thing, at least, I hope. They are learning the importance to make solid contracts and verify the people reputation. 1395586;1454531213;ascii_butugychag;solid, verified, in java on winblowz aha. 1395587;1454531216;ascii_butugychag;l0l. 1395588;1454531244;ascii_butugychag;cattle have a place. 1395589;1454531246;ascii_butugychag;men have a place. 1395590;1454531248;felipelalli;ascii_butugychag, yes. my first idea was make this 100% web, but the IRC let me crazy. So I had just two dawns to implement it, I choose the cheapest for my good will and the win version is because they demanded it 1395591;1454531257;ascii_butugychag;cow-man chimera - is grotesque. 1395592;1454531282;felipelalli;ascii_butugychag, I didn't ask you to use it, didn't I? 1395593;1454531289;felipelalli;*did I? 1395594;1454531307;danielpbarron;why not just have an html form with no illusions of crypto; would be infinitely more useful for your purposes 1395595;1454531308;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: What you should do for great lolz is depreciate the windows version. 1395596;1454531310;ascii_butugychag;no. but i was curious what felipelalli was thinking when he produced this. 1395597;1454531343;BingoBoingo;Get them hooked, pull the rug out from under them, see which ones swim. 1395598;1454531350;felipelalli;lol 1395599;1454531389;BingoBoingo; cow-man chimera - is grotesque. << to be fair this is kinda what bitcoin-otc has become already... 1395600;1454531394;phf;today lazy, tomorrow dead. poor technology choices kill. this message was brought to you by the tmsr agitprop dpt 1395601;1454531404;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1395602;1454531406;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A5YQBM.txt ) 1395603;1454531430;felipelalli;I am writing an article about the importance of the Bitcoin OTC WoT. This image is part of it: http://i.imgur.com/tHVbbva.png 1395604;1454531431;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nNO3xY ) 1395605;1454531439;felipelalli;do you guys recommend me some material to read before publish it? 1395606;1454531470;danielpbarron;these very logs 1395607;1454531505;danielpbarron;or are you going to spend another 6 months not reading it? 1395608;1454531515;felipelalli;danielpbarron, it is already for sure. 1395609;1454531521;felipelalli;danielpbarron, plus some trilema posts 1395610;1454531560;thestringpuller;"[We should see Bitcoin classic use ramp up] after binaries are released. Most people don't want to compile". << These people really shouldn't be involved in Bitcoin. Like going to war without learning to clean gun. 1395611;1454531561;danielpbarron;ok and why are your brazillian friends any different? 1395612;1454531576;felipelalli;danielpbarron, they are lazy? 1395613;1454531582;danielpbarron;why are you friends with the lazy? 1395614;1454531644;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I suggest two more pictures: result of abandoning windows https://i.imgur.com/d1EbJSa.jpg and end game of using windows https://sli.mg/a/pssVpQ 1395615;1454531644;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/209L7r5 ) 1395616;1454531646;assbot;Eats to much ... ( http://bit.ly/209L7r9 ) 1395617;1454531655;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1395618;1454531668;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, I don't use Windows. 1395619;1454531680;felipelalli;the exe I generated with a tool inside a VM 1395620;1454531693;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: SUre, but your people do. Those pictures help make the case for the lazy. 1395621;1454531704;felipelalli;danielpbarron, good question. Because if I don't, I feel too lonely? :D 1395622;1454531710;felipelalli;ahahhaaha 1395623;1454531711;danielpbarron;so be lonely 1395624;1454531738;BingoBoingo;related danielpbarron If you want to keep triggering fatties on twitter you gotta study and learn to deliver the lines yourself. 1395625;1454531739;felipelalli;ahhaha BingoBoingo so true. 1395626;1454531744;danielpbarron;and since when do you need to pretend to sign contracts with someone to get along with them? 1395627;1454531806;felipelalli;danielpbarron, because I am nerd? 1395628;1454531826;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, that thread man.. 40k impressions and like.. that one reply. A whole sea of watchers, the highest level of involvement they can handle is "liking" something 1395629;1454531833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8422 @ 0.00056532 = 4.7611 BTC [+] {2} 1395630;1454531913;danielpbarron;and since when is 'nerd' a compliment? that's related to the fatty thing 1395631;1454531920;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Still, you gotta learn the slurs and work on a more natural delivery I recommend just sticking reading the text posts here https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/ 1395632;1454531922;assbot;If you can't beetus, join us! - Now with 50% more ramen! ... ( http://bit.ly/209LqlF ) 1395633;1454531924;danielpbarron;you should be ashamed to be a nerd 1395634;1454531924;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you a twitter celebrity now? 1395635;1454531929;danielpbarron;hardly 1395636;1454531935;felipelalli;danielpbarron, I am. 1395637;1454531956;danielpbarron;ok then, cast off those nerd phreinds, spend more time in here 1395638;1454531957;felipelalli;and I am ashamed to trying to help the lazy people! But it is being fun. 1395639;1454531959;felipelalli;at least. 1395640;1454531977;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Find news in Brazil and please to qntra it up. 1395641;1454532010;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, i got into it with a fairly popular girly about "nice guys" and sexual dominance or something; turns out i think we were agreeing with eachother without realizing it 1395642;1454532013;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, say about the Brazilian Bitcoin market is a good thing? For example? 1395643;1454532049;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Maybe work up to that. Maybe start by chronicling socialist evils perpetuated by your government 1395644;1454532062;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, good idea. 1395645;1454532077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00056693 = 2.4378 BTC [+] 1395646;1454532131;felipelalli;I am going to my swimming lesson now. Thanks for the obvious comments that I was expecting. I tried to hide from you, but you got me! outch! 1395647;1454532197;ben_vulpes;poor trinque 1395648;1454532201;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Anyways it's a better use of time doing things that can't be done on windows and making your friends want to leave the windows favella than just doing everything for them. 1395649;1454532227;ben_vulpes;he probably destroyed what's left of the trinquetop in rage 1395650;1454532259;trinque;eh I knew that ball of duct tape and twine wasn't going to last 1395651;1454532263;BingoBoingo;Of all the #b-a projects, deedbot's probably up there for frustration induced 1395652;1454532273;ben_vulpes;> mikebook 1395653;1454532279;trinque;and now... there's shiva ! 1395654;1454532291;ben_vulpes;hey you're patching an eatrawtx into shiva then? 1395655;1454532292;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, not all of them are my "friends". Actually I want to identify the bad actors in the community. I could implement an automatic -1 from me for who install the exe version!! lol 1395656;1454532297;felipelalli;thank you!! see you. 1395657;1454532333;trinque;ben_vulpes: new deedbot code's all CL; would be nice and tidy to be crapping sexp commands into shiva from it 1395658;1454532348;ben_vulpes;eval-over-socket 1395659;1454532401;ascii_butugychag;shiva most desperately needs session persistence 1395660;1454532410;BingoBoingo;http://www.askamanager.org/2015/09/i-was-fired-after-a-stranger-sent-photos-of-my-private-text-messages-to-my-employer.html 1395661;1454532413;assbot;I was fired after a stranger sent photos of my private text messages to my employer — Ask a Manager ... ( http://bit.ly/1nNPSLr ) 1395662;1454532413;ascii_butugychag;that is, currently, a shiva runtime is destroyed on hangup 1395663;1454532419;ben_vulpes;;;later tell funkenstein_ yo are you going to submit that privkey import backport to the ml? 1395664;1454532419;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1395665;1454532429;trinque;ben_vulpes: first I'm getting deed txns going by using the trb wallet; I don't want to have to wait for an implementation of eatrawtx to resume deeds 1395666;1454532514;ascii_butugychag;it does ~not~ need persistent sessions for ~any~ rpc-style usage scenario, note 1395667;1454532515;phf;if i have a gpgme key instance, is there some way to patch its trust level? 1395668;1454532522;ascii_butugychag;i am merely stating this for the benefit of noobz 1395669;1454532537;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: aha 1395670;1454532546;ben_vulpes;'stateless protocol' 1395671;1454532568;phf;doesn't need persistent for slime type use either. can just connect and mainloop, so the state will be around for duration of session? 1395672;1454532577;ascii_butugychag;nope, it does 1395673;1454532585;ascii_butugychag;right now if you try to use slime-like item with shiva, 1395674;1454532591;ascii_butugychag;you end up with ONE repl at a time 1395675;1454532591;phf;oh it locks.. 1395676;1454532595;ascii_butugychag;aha 1395677;1454532605;ascii_butugychag;well it doesn't lock, but it gives you one lisp world per telnet connection 1395678;1454532610;ascii_butugychag;which dies when the latter dies. 1395679;1454532624;ascii_butugychag;and the only thing the worlds share is their trb image 1395680;1454532647;ascii_butugychag;which - when we actually get shiva hooks that ~modify~ as well as read - does have a global lock 1395681;1454532675;ascii_butugychag;so right now a shiva session is really a very 'obese' rpc call 1395682;1454532684;ascii_butugychag;spins up a whole lisp universe for just a command or two 1395683;1454532693;danielpbarron;speaking of obese, from BingoBoingo's linked article >> But for what it's worth, you yourself aren't coming out smelling like a rose here -- and not because of your actions in this story, but because of your commentary on it: You have a pretty gross attitude toward overweight people. << haha found the fatty! (TM) 1395684;1454532695;ascii_butugychag;however, persisting shiva isn't a trivial thing 1395685;1454532704;ascii_butugychag;because it needs to disconnect & reconnect i/o terms 1395686;1454532714;ascii_butugychag;and this will require modifications of tinyscheme proper 1395687;1454532716;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: See, you're learning 1395688;1454532720;ascii_butugychag;(which is why i didn't do it) 1395689;1454532924;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: re: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html << what needs to happen for this not need to be handled with radiation suit? 1395690;1454533024;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: for starters, to find all of the 10,001 buffer overflows in tinyscheme and fix 1395691;1454533036;ascii_butugychag;but even then, a debugger that listens on tcp is a dangerous thing to have around 1395692;1454533053;ascii_butugychag;esp. once it is actually a debugger and not simply a lame proof of concept as now 1395693;1454533071;thestringpuller;aha. so pretty much ~only~ for labratory use as stated. 1395694;1454533074;BingoBoingo;To be fair, it may not need whole radiation suit, a glove box may be fine. 1395695;1454533120;ascii_butugychag;i don't think i will ~ever~ recommend tinyscheme on a box which carries live-fire coin. 1395696;1454533126;ascii_butugychag;we will write our own scheme. 1395697;1454533151;ascii_butugychag;with no motherfucking 'idiomatic c'/ 1395698;1454533152;ascii_butugychag;. 1395699;1454533156;thestringpuller;cowboy coding and debugging on production is for the truly brave. 1395700;1454533175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00056222 = 5.2286 BTC [-] {3} 1395701;1454533299;*;phf likes how tinyscheme doesn't check arity 1395702;1454533381;phf;in other news takes 13.78 seconds to match all patches to all sigs with elimination on my laptop 1395703;1454533453;ascii_butugychag;phf: O(N^2) 1395704;1454533462;ascii_butugychag;gonna only get worse. 1395705;1454533491;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1395706;1454533675;ascii_butugychag;phf: it is very minimal; no free lunch 1395707;1454535066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21756 @ 0.00055922 = 12.1664 BTC [-] {3} 1395708;1454535176;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ebay Has No Plans To Stop Being A Vector For Malware Propagation - http://qntra.net/2016/02/ebay-has-no-plans-to-stop-being-a-vector-for-malware-propagation/ 1395709;1454535365;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1395710;1454535920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13929 @ 0.00056777 = 7.9085 BTC [+] {3} 1395711;1454536985;mircea_popescu;so i've just been shopping in the tiniest shop i have ever seen. 1395712;1454537003;deedbot-;[Qntra] Alan Reiner Quits Armory as Multi-Year Commercialization Effort Fails - http://qntra.net/2016/02/alan-reiner-quits-armory-as-multi-year-commercialization-effort-fails/ 1395713;1454537011;BingoBoingo;^ A lol 1395714;1454537037;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What sort of wears were in the tiny shop? 1395715;1454537042;mircea_popescu;it's inconceivable without seeing it. like 20 sq feet affair that was maybe five foot tall, you had to go in two fucking steps. and then the actual shop, down a steep flight of stairs, another 30 sqft or so i guess. 1395716;1454537053;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo best slutwear thing in buenos aires, by a large margin. 1395717;1454537059;BingoBoingo;Aha 1395718;1454537082;mircea_popescu;i bought things so small you could carry them inside your nostril. 1395719;1454537123;BingoBoingo;Tis the natural order of things 1395720;1454537180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395329 << this is an impossible question to answer tho. what do you mean "what to do" 1395721;1454537180;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:28:22; jurov: lxr may be vtronic *if and when* someone takes my questions serious. so, asking again, what to do with reground or otherwise resubmitted patches? 1395722;1454537323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00056555 = 7.8329 BTC [-] {3} 1395723;1454537433;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395341 << no. pgp date is meaningless. 1395724;1454537433;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:30:57; polarbeard: otherwise just check the sig date using pgp, last patch wins 1395725;1454537628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00056485 = 11.9748 BTC [-] 1395726;1454537652;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395399 << ofcoursetheydo 1395727;1454537652;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:44:29; ascii_butugychag: existing pgptrons do not, afaik, allow you to specify a custom timestamp 1395728;1454537808;thestringpuller;slutware that's a good phrase 1395729;1454537812;danielpbarron;lemme guess, change system time? 1395730;1454537821;trinque;mod6: I did a rescan but don't see my key as part of the default "account". I'll fiddle with the wallet.dat a bit more, then take a look at backporting that importprivkey 1395731;1454537828;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395415 << cue very angry alf "it rejected my thing!111" 1395732;1454537828;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:49:33; ascii_butugychag: submit duplicate ? rejected. 1395733;1454537833;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron quite. 1395734;1454537900;mod6;trinque: hmm. yah, i had to like use that tool, do a rescan and a restart, and then it was in there. but yea, that back port, if sane, would be best. 1395735;1454537918;trinque;mod6: the tool you used was pywallet ? 1395736;1454537925;mod6;sounds like it. 1395737;1454537934;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395421 <<< from now you will be known as hashislav because stanislav was taken long ago 1395738;1454537934;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:50:30; ascii_butugychag: demanding that world move and rearrange itself because somebody wants to reuse a name, is lunacy. 1395739;1454537968;punkman;archive.is is returning a loading gif here, anyone else? 1395740;1454538018;BingoBoingo;punkman: Yeah 1395741;1454538020;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395431 << i dunno that i renamed anything when signing it. i thought thatg's how we do it, i take the original v.pl and turn it into v.pl.me.sig 1395742;1454538020;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:53:44; ascii_butugychag: using renaming for curation is intensely anti-vtronic. 1395743;1454538055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.0005626 = 7.2575 BTC [-] {2} 1395744;1454538062;mod6;yah, that's how my sigs look for v.pl: v.pl.mod6.sig 1395745;1454538128;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3VTH8EN << confirmed this is what i get from archive.is 1395746;1454538130;assbot;dpaste: 3VTH8EN ... ( http://bit.ly/1X48dQ7 ) 1395747;1454538365;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395437 << so if i make a script to fuck whores and i call it fuckwhores.pl and then it's mistaken and abandoned now i'm stuck using sexingsluts.pl instead and if that also gets burned i'll end up doing intromissiveman1pulationofwillingwenches.pl ? 1395748;1454538365;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:55:51; ascii_butugychag: they get orphaned. 1395749;1454538414;punkman;no 1395750;1454538422;mircea_popescu;well i can't reuse a name can i. 1395751;1454538431;punkman;yeah but these are patches not scripts 1395752;1454538438;mircea_popescu;same difference. 1395753;1454538442;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu punkman: This is what archive.is tends to do when it's overloaded. 1395754;1454538507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395440 << how about the logical thing, unique names PER TREE. 1395755;1454538507;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:56:08; polarbeard: oh, now I see the complete picture 1395756;1454538524;mircea_popescu;i can make as many fuckwhores.vpatch as i want, but only one can end up in any given tree. 1395757;1454538588;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, it's been 'overloaded' all day it seems 1395758;1454538608;punkman;blog's still there http://blog.archive.is/ 1395759;1454538609;assbot;Archive.is blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1nO3vKp ) 1395760;1454538648;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: And Qntra/trilema have been down for a week plus at a time when overloaded. 1395761;1454538650;mircea_popescu;"Also, I heard that people are more willing to help animals than other people. Thus the donations to a pet rescue fund can be seen as the upper estimate of how donation to the webpage capture project would perform." 1395762;1454538651;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1395763;1454538781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395474 << in your case you should end up with a->c'. if there's a much longer chain then the -b method makes more sense. 1395764;1454538781;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:04:14; PeterL: if you have patches a->b->c and you decide to get rid of b, you should end up with a->b->c->(-b), not with a->c' (where c' is reground c without b patch) , do I understand correct? 1395765;1454538786;mircea_popescu;it's really up to the maintainers. 1395766;1454538815;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395482 << no, antipatches are to be avoided if at all possible. 1395767;1454538815;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:05:25; ascii_butugychag: and i officially consider regrinds a thing to be avoided if at all physically possible 1395768;1454538821;mircea_popescu;the WRITER does the work, always. not the reader. 1395769;1454538829;mircea_popescu;you don't like doing the work, don't fucking write. 1395770;1454538832;mircea_popescu;too many people writing code as it is. 1395771;1454538839;mircea_popescu;must be discouraged as much as possible. 1395772;1454538862;mod6;put this in the cryptonomicon ^ 1395773;1454538868;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1395774;1454538884;mircea_popescu;"oh boo hoo, i am too important and gmaxwell to fucking fix things, here's my useless code that everyone's going to be stuck with forever" 1395775;1454538887;mircea_popescu;"go die in a tyre fire" 1395776;1454538950;mircea_popescu;!up topynate 1395777;1454538975;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395483 << no dude, it's just "i have enough respect for the reader to not go A^HB^HA^HB^HC 1395778;1454538975;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:05:59; ascii_butugychag: they smack of pious fraud, 'this was always perfect, born of the gods' 1395779;1454539031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10226 @ 0.00055881 = 5.7144 BTC [-] {2} 1395780;1454539034;punkman;regrind also creates work for readers 1395781;1454539059;mircea_popescu;explain ? 1395782;1454539082;topynate;hello all. thanks mircea_popescu 1395783;1454539129;mircea_popescu;regrind, to be perfectly clear, is the act of making a tree out of patches instead of keeping them linear. this is a known efficiency-of-search trope, and i shouldn't have to explain how distributing the patches out saves work when i'm pressing 3 years later and want to read the whole string of patches from genesis. 1395784;1454539136;mircea_popescu;topynate hey there. who're you again ? 1395785;1454539215;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395522 << polarbeard seriously fix your pgp! 1395786;1454539215;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:52:30; phf: so there's two sig's that are not sha512. genesis.vpatch.trinque.sig is sha256 and polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc.vpatch.polarbeard.sig is sha1 1395787;1454539221;topynate;i wrote that bit on the block size at https://topynate.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/note-on-the-block-size-limit/ that you called "not terrible". i'm a math-literate developer. 1395788;1454539222;assbot;Note on the block size limit | Particulars ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTYex2 ) 1395789;1454539238;thestringpuller;regrind is alt-version of patch, why can't it be applied linearly? (or at least force such a workflow) 1395790;1454539250;topynate;!register 112F353F5A3EEEBE3B0E824A36F13568F209C5B0 1395791;1454539250;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 112F353F5A3EEEBE3B0E824A36F13568F209C5B0. This may take a few moments. 1395792;1454539250;assbot;Key F209C5B0 / "Nathan Daniel Cook " successfully imported. 1395793;1454539250;assbot;Registration successful. 1395794;1454539271;punkman;reading A->B->B(fixed) or A->B->B(regrind) is still 3 patches each 1395795;1454539282;thestringpuller;^ 1395796;1454539287;mircea_popescu;oh right! 1395797;1454539301;mircea_popescu;punkman the first is a->b' 1395798;1454539309;mircea_popescu;!rate topynate 1 Not terrible 1395799;1454539309;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/813ea42d8e6d9d8a 1395800;1454539330;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.topynate.1:011db29b9a8be532616ecfe1051d2b2dd5705a4e5b071812518538ee7b5d7f30 1395801;1454539330;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for topynate with note: Not terrible 1395802;1454539378;mircea_popescu;f 1395803;1454539388;mircea_popescu;topynate now let's thrash this out. can you define "quota" ? 1395804;1454539416;punkman;also could be valuable to see how B started out and then fixed, without having to diff the various versions of B patch 1395805;1454539423;mircea_popescu;punkman why without ? 1395806;1454539430;mircea_popescu;you want archeology, dig by all means. 1395807;1454539450;mircea_popescu;besides, the same selective memory thing that was deliberately put into deedbot works here as well. some dead chains will be forgotten before others. 1395808;1454539469;topynate;a binding limit on how much of something is made 1395809;1454539473;mircea_popescu;understand that immutable systems are VERY dangerous in principle. your world is mutable. 1395810;1454539486;mircea_popescu;topynate does it matter if its conventional or real ? 1395811;1454539497;mircea_popescu;is h a quota ? 1395812;1454539530;topynate;sorry, what's h? 1395813;1454539534;mircea_popescu;planck's constant. 1395814;1454539594;topynate;ah. no, i don't think you can stretch it that far. that would be like saying the total quantity of oil in the ground was a quota on oil production. 1395815;1454539618;mircea_popescu;but it does meet your definition. "a binding limit on how much of something is made". it is binding, it is a limit, and it is on how much ofsomething can be made. 1395816;1454539625;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of stretching anything. 1395817;1454539633;mircea_popescu;did you mean to say "a conventional limit" ? 1395818;1454539702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055747 = 1.5609 BTC [-] {2} 1395819;1454539772;topynate;yes. so long as it's a convention with teeth. e.g. opec's oil production quota used to be a real quota because enforcible, now it isn't 1395820;1454539827;mircea_popescu;in this sense the argument can be brought that while the early block limit as implemented by miners (using 60% of the 1mb blocks) WAS a quota, the actual 1mb block size is not a quota at all, 1395821;1454539836;mircea_popescu;but simply its own kind of universal constant. 1395822;1454539841;mircea_popescu;what say you to that ? 1395823;1454539983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395578 << hey, he lives in a country where the poor buy tvs instead of fridges. what choice does he have, to move to wash dc ? 1395824;1454539983;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:22:52; ascii_butugychag: felipelalli: you say this as if you had no choice ? 1395825;1454540021;topynate;that would be remarkable; i can see the 1mb size being such a strong convention that no-one would have any expectation of successfully altering it, but unsure how it could have a universal nature like that of h 1395826;1454540067;mircea_popescu;topynate well, consider that we can alter the value of h by altering the units of measurement. suppose all alteration of the 1mb block limit reduces to similarly a mere change in the units of measurement. 1395827;1454540088;mircea_popescu;that'd be ONE way it could have such universal nature. 1395828;1454540117;mircea_popescu;moreover, whether it does or might isn't the point. the point is, can you prove it doesn't have such nature ? because unless you can, speaking of it as a quota is iffy. 1395829;1454540252;topynate;if it really is a universal constant, then there are a lot of wasted words on the block size limit, including my own - anyone trying to abrogate it will just fall flat on his face 1395830;1454540255;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395581 <<< ahahaha ok, i laughed out loud. 1395831;1454540255;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:24:49; danielpbarron: let me see if i can make one of those funny metaphores out of this: "that's like a cock that can get you pregnant, but you can't have sex with it" 1395832;1454540278;mircea_popescu;topynate quite. consider, just for the sake of conversation, the situation of a child who rfound his father's musket. 1395833;1454540289;mircea_popescu;now this child sees an apple in the tree, shoots at it and hits. 1395834;1454540318;mircea_popescu;he then thinks to himself : "i could shoot as high or as low as i want, and the bullet wouldstill hit the apple, because i'm that special, and because that's what man made muskets for and how bullets work etc". 1395835;1454540337;mircea_popescu;this IS of course true, provided the child manages to alter the powder charge too, so the bullet's speed and its angle are always in the right ratio. 1395836;1454540363;mircea_popescu;we so far fired a single bullet out of a gun we don't even know who the fuck made. seems a lot of unwarranted cockyness all around for this little knowledge. 1395837;1454540365;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1395838;1454540450;topynate;nice koan. so istm your point is that the effort on fiddling with the parameters would be better spent on understanding why it works in the first place? 1395839;1454540467;mircea_popescu;yes. 1395840;1454540483;mircea_popescu;similarly to how my argument is that rather than "improving" bitcoin, that time'd be better spent fixing the codebase as it is. 1395841;1454540500;mircea_popescu;an argument persuasive enough that the whole foundation and the most serene republic is hard at work doing just that. 1395842;1454540519;mircea_popescu;which brings us to what this is all about. 1395843;1454540723;topynate;ok - what's it about? 1395844;1454540724;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.topynate.1:226e5cfbd7f23a264f5b52ba305a97966ac4dfa28041b36feaf8944e880f301a 1395845;1454540724;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for topynate with note: I showed him the log, and marvel of marvels, he joined! 1395846;1454540760;mircea_popescu;no i mean, #bitcoin-assets etc. trying to understand how it works, fixing the code etc. 1395847;1454540779;topynate;ah, i see. the project in toto 1395848;1454540801;mircea_popescu;right. 1395849;1454540811;thestringpuller;topynate: you can self voice now 1395850;1454540816;mircea_popescu;you can voice yourself, send assbot !up in a pm 1395851;1454540889;mircea_popescu;and for the record, the name for the opposite attitude used here is "power ranger". because totally. 1395852;1454540937;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395111 << heh. i thought this commrade mighta been trinque's but it's not quite synced as far as he claims his btcd replacement for deedbot- is. 1395853;1454540937;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 13:20:51; asciilifeform: 5x19x141x248.static-customer.iz.ertelecom.ru << in mircea_popescu's trb fleet ? 1395854;1454540951;mircea_popescu;nope not mine. 1395855;1454540957;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395112 << tevye was about the same. also yesterday. 1395856;1454540957;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 13:29:59; asciilifeform: in other news, zoolag was blackholed for a record-breaking 8 hours. 1395857;1454540995;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: soon my ip will be coming from 'russian federation' neh ;) 1395858;1454541000;danielpbarron;!rated PeterL 1395859;1454541000;assbot;You rated user PeterL on 14-Oct-2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: He made fetchbot, the bot that can't stay up.. 1395860;1454541004;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.PeterL:f467e2281c524f35e0a463a15b4378ac0cb531bfb107a7ecd58d5a5a0dd3d753 1395861;1454541004;assbot;Successfully unrated PeterL 1395862;1454541118;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395247 << i've had to restart as well every 2-5 days in the last 3 weeks. same 'network' issues causing lag of 10-100 blocks. fixed instantly by restart, new peer discovery. 1395863;1454541118;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:32; ascii_butugychag: restart - always cures 1395864;1454541129;mircea_popescu;odd. 1395865;1454541151;pete_dushenski;i'm not sure that it is for a public node. 1395866;1454541211;pete_dushenski;for a '-connect' private node ? probably, but every single '-addnode' public node, save asciilifeform's majick baltic node, seems to variously lag before restarting, at least as far as i can follow from bitnodes.io 1395867;1454541233;pete_dushenski;which i follow quite a bit ! 1395868;1454541293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395265 << yes. but maybe it's a n00bish fascination thing i have. 1395869;1454541293;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:01:22; ascii_butugychag: does nobody but me actually watch their trb logs ? 1395870;1454541331;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395266 << ~0.5x time is 'connecting' and 'disconnecting'. seems inefficient, but maybe that's the price of a distributed network ? 1395871;1454541331;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 17:01:32; ascii_butugychag: these things spend a good chunk of their time not node-in !1111 1395872;1454541349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00056796 = 1.1359 BTC [+] {2} 1395873;1454541410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0005679 = 2.5556 BTC [-] 1395874;1454541413;danielpbarron;!rated cazalla 1395875;1454541413;assbot;You rated user cazalla on 18-Aug-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Dedicated reporter.. 1395876;1454541416;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.cazalla.2:4faa087a63fca71433abc1847b38cbecbecb4a5e54b6c5580459bc5699d9e437 1395877;1454541416;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for cazalla from 3 to 2 with note: friend of the Republic, former qntra guy 1395878;1454541442;pete_dushenski;the alternative (atm) is a ~fixed~ set of peers determined at random on start-up, as seen in 'multibit', which i can tell you from first hand experience this week has not been broadcasting select transactions from select keys. at all. and this is in no way fixable. 1395879;1454541467;pete_dushenski;so if it sounds shitty to have a node blackholed, imagine having a ~privkey~ blackholed. 1395880;1454541500;pete_dushenski;even after reviewing 'multibit' error logs, it was in no way clear to me how or why this should even be possible. 1395881;1454541526;pete_dushenski;but that's what you get for sucking mike hearn's dong and expecting a cream soda to come gushing out. 1395882;1454541577;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395591 << can be hawt. http://costumefail.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cow-costume-mug-shot-201x300.jpg 1395883;1454541577;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:27:37; ascii_butugychag: cow-man chimera - is grotesque. 1395884;1454541578;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIeb8q ) 1395885;1454541579;pete_dushenski;so an idiot is me and i feel sorry for anyone who tries to do bitcoin casually because there's no goddam way. 1395886;1454541669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395603 << that;'s actually pretty good. 1395887;1454541669;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:30:30; felipelalli: I am writing an article about the importance of the Bitcoin OTC WoT. This image is part of it: http://i.imgur.com/tHVbbva.png 1395888;1454541671;pete_dushenski;bitcoin's too complicated, too barbed, too thorny, too messy, and too time-consuming for sortakindausers. this is obviously an asset in a great many ways, but it can still be frustrating for persistent folks. not that this is news to everyone beating prb into trb.... 1395889;1454541696;pete_dushenski; /rant 1395890;1454541837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7284 @ 0.00056849 = 4.1409 BTC [+] {3} 1395891;1454541855;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.fghj.2:59c19cc150c5e92a3011a3467c72ce48fc26901b8c18fc63405b5624e380c612 1395892;1454541855;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for fghj with note: very useful Eulora noob 1395893;1454541864;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well... being worked on 1395894;1454541911;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395641 << isn't this how intergender discussion usually goes ? 1395895;1454541911;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:40:10; danielpbarron: thestringpuller, i got into it with a fairly popular girly about "nice guys" and sexual dominance or something; turns out i think we were agreeing with eachother without realizing it 1395896;1454541934;phf;mircea_popescu: osmething like this http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation 1395897;1454541935;assbot;asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7F2Zl ) 1395898;1454541947;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1395899;1454541981;phf;signers for the whole press, vs. signers for individual vpatches 1395900;1454541999;mircea_popescu;wait what! you can't sign a whole press 1395901;1454542023;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395651 < wow. i never had a problem with it. 1395902;1454542023;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:44:23; BingoBoingo: Of all the #b-a projects, deedbot's probably up there for frustration induced 1395903;1454542032;mircea_popescu;well... for a while i kept sending it nonraw dpastes, but hey. 1395904;1454542054;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I mean for the operators 1395905;1454542057;phf;the set of people necessary to produce current set? or i possibly misunderstood the thread 1395906;1454542065;phf;*current press 1395907;1454542085;mircea_popescu;oh oh sorry. i get now what you're saying. lessee 1395908;1454542118;mircea_popescu;phf well it's ok-ish in the sense that i have all the data to try and do the work by my own eyes. 1395909;1454542147;phf;and what's the work? 1395910;1454542160;mircea_popescu;but how i'd expect this to look is C (asciilifeform mircea_popescu mod6 trinque) D (asciilifeform), (mod6) 1395911;1454542179;mircea_popescu;meaning that all those contributed and the press depends on either a set made out of alf or a set made out of mod6 1395912;1454542217;mircea_popescu;phf and i don't need to see anything re genesis etc. just about the final destination. 1395913;1454542271;mircea_popescu;am i being comprehensible ? 1395914;1454542327;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395662 << not even sure this is a bad thing 1395915;1454542327;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:46:53; ascii_butugychag: that is, currently, a shiva runtime is destroyed on hangup 1395916;1454542373;mircea_popescu;oh nm i see downstream in teh logs. 1395917;1454542386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00056983 = 1.8804 BTC [+] 1395918;1454542411;phf;mircea_popescu: i'm not groking but i realized that i need to take a break and eat instead of derping on a computer any longer, so i'll get back to you on that one 1395919;1454542527;shinohai;!s http://www.dailydot.com/politics/dogecoin-moolah-alex-green-ryan-kennedy-rape-accusation/ 1395920;1454542528;assbot;Ryan Kennedy, founder of Dogecoin exchange Moolah, charged with raping 5 women ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIgEzX ) 1395921;1454542529;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.dailydot.com/politics/dogecoin-moolah-alex-green-ryan-kennedy-rape-accusation/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailydot.com%2Fpolitics%2Fdogecoin-moolah-alex-green-ryan-kennedy-rape-accusation%2F 1395922;1454542586;pete_dushenski;"Blockstream, a tech startup that employs several core developers of the bitcoin protocol, has raised $55 million in venture capital to develop its sidechain technology and expand its global operations." [...] "Horizons Ventures, AXA Strategic Ventures and Digital Garage led the Series A funding round, which brings the startup's total venture funding to $76 million to date." << all this paper (and cardamon smell) and 1395923;1454542586;pete_dushenski;y still can't buy 10% of asciilifeform's time nor 10% of mod6's. fancy that :) 1395924;1454542682;mircea_popescu;funny, i was just referencing RealTime Worlds the other day. 1395925;1454542705;mircea_popescu;but in related news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/ffa48701b8274b68a5796c7492caacdb/tumblr_nusj401fVn1us4cv1o1_1280.jpg 1395926;1454542705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIheO9 ) 1395927;1454542718;pete_dushenski;too bald. 1395928;1454543036;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1395929;1454543044;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 368.1, vol: 7073.89874393 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 368.791, vol: 10000.78401 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 368.17, vol: 13120.38289945 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 374.99, vol: 0.96760754 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 376.2954, vol: 27684.61060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.14, vol: 218.32829837 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 373.01025, vol: 180.08829077 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1395930;1454543046;BingoBoingo;;;more 1395931;1454543046;gribble;372.142877543 1395932;1454543057;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1395933;1454543063;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2474.01, vol: 27717.21530000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2474.01 1395934;1454543075;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395520 << priceless. 1395935;1454543075;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 18:51:25; shinohai: "This also means that Gavins assumptions/estimates regarding the usage for 20 MB blocks unfortunately were very wrong:" https://redd.it/440cq6 1395936;1454543155;pete_dushenski;also a year and a half late, but what can you expect. 1395937;1454543955;ben_vulpes;( unrelated to anything: https://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Statement-on-Experiencing-Systems-Outage ) 1395938;1454543955;assbot;IRS Statement on Experiencing Systems Outage ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIkjxv ) 1395939;1454544023;ben_vulpes;pinging BingoBoingo 1395940;1454544038;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski and missing the "as mp said back in january 2015" bit, of course. 1395941;1454544061;ben_vulpes;of particularly amusing note is that their payment-accepting system is broken. 1395942;1454544063;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Have fun with it. 1395943;1454544111;guruvan;"Twenty megabytes downloaded plus twenty megabytes uploaded every ten minutes is about 170 gigabytes bandwidth usage per month " << gavin doesn't want well connected nodes I see 1395944;1454544192;mod6;ermahgerd, gotta go blow some snow again. 1395945;1454544270;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that's probably still another 1.5 years off. you're usually 3 years ahead of the curve, neh ? 1395946;1454544277;mircea_popescu;geg 1395947;1454544504;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395693 << the way i expect this to work at least for a while will be shiva-p which will be a pretty limited thing and shiva-l which'll be an actual debugger and all that. 1395948;1454544504;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 20:57:51; thestringpuller: aha. so pretty much ~only~ for labratory use as stated. 1395949;1454544521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0005679 = 2.4988 BTC [-] {2} 1395950;1454544597;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395703 << even so 14 s seems excessive. 1395951;1454544597;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 21:04:13; ascii_butugychag: phf: O(N^2) 1395952;1454544670;BingoBoingo;Case Study: Watch a shitgnome in the wild paper over its enshittening https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4420gt/the_end_of_the_road_for_armory/czmu3k5 1395953;1454544671;assbot;shrinknut comments on The End of the Road for Armory ... ( http://bit.ly/1SImqkS ) 1395954;1454544700;pete_dushenski;"but you could turn that off" << mega-lel 1395955;1454544710;mircea_popescu;"I could probably write a book about the depth and complexity of events of the past year, the lessons I've learned and the personalities I've dealth with. However, at this point it's all history, and I've always been more interested in planning the future than dwelling too much on the past." << no, he couldn';t write a book. not anymore than boshiman could build a city on all the land he walks. moreover, orc imagines h 1395956;1454544711;mircea_popescu;istory is a byword for dead and buried, which ties into why he will never be able to write a book. 1395957;1454544722;mircea_popescu;or make anything worth the mention whatsoever. 1395958;1454544736;mircea_popescu;neeeext 1395959;1454544787;mircea_popescu;http://cow-and-mare.tumblr.com/post/137545470620/xuisse-this-please-i-should-probably-go-into << alan reiner, yuumi chan, whatevs. 1395960;1454544788;assbot;xuisse: This, please. I should probably go into... - Cow and Mare ... ( http://bit.ly/1SImRf1 ) 1395961;1454544884;pete_dushenski;"Along the way, we accumulated a mess of legal and corporate complexity that has made it difficult to do anything constructive with Armory's intellectual property." <--> "You think you want to take dollar investment, you think you want to make a non-Bitcoin company ? Think again. Think long, think hard, and start with this : what makes you think a fiat company is even possible anymore ?" 1395962;1454545076;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Derps derping their way out is bullish for a 2013 replay. All we need now is RealSolid returning with yet another altcoin scam. 1395963;1454545100;mircea_popescu;well i hear mit is hiring, so... 1395964;1454545272;BingoBoingo;In related news https://assets.rbl.ms/174164/980x.jpg 1395965;1454545278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIoUzM ) 1395966;1454545316;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1395967;1454545426;BingoBoingo;It's that herding instinct 1395968;1454545443;pete_dushenski;speaking of animal behaviour, www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/fake-online-locksmiths-may-be-out-to-pick-your-pocket-too.html 1395969;1454545457;pete_dushenski;eh http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/fake-online-locksmiths-may-be-out-to-pick-your-pocket-too.html 1395970;1454545460;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIpGg5 ) 1395971;1454545488;pete_dushenski;"Many of the locksmith lead gens are run by Israelis, and Avi learned their modus operandi by working for them. When he landed at La Guardia Airport in 2008, he wanted to work with computers, the field he had trained for in Israel. But it was the height of the recession, and he did not have many options." 1395972;1454545536;pete_dushenski;"Mr. Alverado said those fake buildings were necessary because getting to the first page in Google results now took ingenuity and cunning. “You have no idea,” he said, sounding a little weary when asked about competition. Israelis were his toughest rivals, he said, and they had instilled a kind of awe in him. “I can tell you point-blank, they are freaking smart,” he said. “I really admire them.”" 1395973;1454545668;pete_dushenski;this is what happens when adlais without homes and consumers without wots meet in america. 1395974;1454545764;pete_dushenski;off to pickup new specs. if i'm not back this evening, i'll be around under 'pete_d_out' over the coming days. cheers! 1395975;1454546193;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1395976;1454546196;gribble;Current Blocks: 396574 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 577 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1395977;1454546197;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1395978;1454546198;gribble;1055842789.25 1395979;1454546368;felipelalli;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395886 << thank you mircea_popescu - the article I am writing starts with a quote made by your PR translated to Portuguese: "Se você não tem uma conta WoT você não faz parte do ecossistema Bitcoin. Esse é o critério, não importa o que você possa achar. É onde todos olham, não importa o que alguma rede social tem dito pra você. Se você não está no WoT você não está no 1395980;1454546368;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 23:21:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395603 << that;'s actually pretty good. 1395981;1454546368;felipelalli; Bitcoin." 1395982;1454546390;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out, i can read that. 1395983;1454546403;felipelalli;danielpbarron, BingoBoingo etc. you guys convinced me to remove the win32shit stuff. I'll remove all files, actually. 1395984;1454546563;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: I mean you can leave source for the old win32 stuff so the lazy but desperate can still try building it. Think of it like putting the icecream shop at the mall on the top floor so fat people gotta choose icecream or using stairs. 1395985;1454546656;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, ahahh yes. But there is no special code to WIN32 actually in Java. The "exe" was just a wrapper. But if the guy can't execute a jar in Windows he just won't be able to use WoT anyway. 1395986;1454546726;felipelalli;I'll put a link to source code and in Github I'll put the jar in "releases" section. I think it is better in this way at least while the app isn't so mature yet. 1395987;1454546821;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Maybe change the license on the software to: "You do not have license to use this code unless you translate the Java Bytecode to Fortran 95" 1395988;1454546844;felipelalli;ahaahhh lol 1395989;1454547001;mircea_popescu;felipelalli the reason you're getting so much grief is that it's not clear how your premises work. i mean i get it, you want to help people, and teach them about otc and so on. this is one thing. but i mean what did you do, i don't follow, reimplement gpg as a java thing ? 1395990;1454547082;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ef2f0ce131bb0bde4bc4efdbfc8e247/tumblr_nw2l90w5Du1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1395991;1454547083;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIvdDx ) 1395992;1454547229;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, thank you mircea to understand my motivation. Yes, I tried to help. The "magic" to make the thing easy was to derivate a bitcoin keypair from the username+password using scrypt. I understand this can be unsafe if the user uses a bad password, but like you said, it is just to let the lazy people to taste the power of wot. 1395993;1454547237;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTlIAzW4AA4BLZ.jpg 1395994;1454547238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiJAtD ) 1395995;1454547274;mircea_popescu;oh like that thing online what was it called 1395996;1454547287;mircea_popescu;brainwallet or something 1395997;1454547296;asciilifeform;drainwallet 1395998;1454547306;asciilifeform;(rm) (r) 1395999;1454547310;felipelalli;brainwallet uses sha256, it is a disaster 1396000;1454547311;asciilifeform;'ye heard it here phurst' 1396001;1454547337;mircea_popescu;but basically the same thing except as a java ? 1396002;1454547337;felipelalli;but yes, it's not the safest thing anyway! 1396003;1454547353;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, in java and it uses scrypt. 1396004;1454547361;asciilifeform;'same meal but merely eaten once before' 1396005;1454547398;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, see now: http://bitcoinwot.com/ ahah 1396006;1454547399;assbot;Bitcoin OTC WoT para preguiçosos ... ( http://bit.ly/209J0DH ) 1396007;1454547404;mircea_popescu;aha. 1396008;1454547414;BingoBoingo;Just enough rope for a person to shoot themself in the foot when they get surprised that rope does that 1396009;1454547417;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395914 << this is an ok (if wasteful of cycles) thing if using shiva only as rpc, but precludes writing any serious functionality in it 1396010;1454547417;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 23:32:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395662 << not even sure this is a bad thing 1396011;1454547419;mircea_popescu;and in "views from the dirigible" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/cb1e90b06df5ded1f71394833fb37595/tumblr_mvm35nynvq1s62w2ao1_1280.jpg 1396012;1454547420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIw3Qz ) 1396013;1454547436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah eventyally got to the rest of the log. 1396014;1454547477;BingoBoingo;!up Carli- 1396015;1454547498;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395923 << pete_dushenski would vomit out his guts if he knew what buys 90% of my time 1396016;1454547498;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 23:36:26; pete_dushenski: y still can't buy 10% of asciilifeform's time nor 10% of mod6's. fancy that :) 1396017;1454547506;guruvan;BingoBoingo: RTFM ;) 1396018;1454547599;BingoBoingo;guruvan: rope the fugly meerkat? 1396019;1454547610;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1395947 << ideally just by varying init.scm 1396020;1454547610;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 00:08:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395693 << the way i expect this to work at least for a while will be shiva-p which will be a pretty limited thing and shiva-l which'll be an actual debugger and all that. 1396021;1454547669;guruvan;BingoBoingo: "friendly" 1396022;1454547691;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1395952 << i for one never understood the point of 'armory' to begin with 1396023;1454547691;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 00:11:10; BingoBoingo: Case Study: Watch a shitgnome in the wild paper over its enshittening https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4420gt/the_end_of_the_road_for_armory/czmu3k5 1396024;1454547910;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1395969 << see also the fake 'uber' cabs, and similar 1396025;1454547910;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 00:24:17; pete_dushenski: eh http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/fake-online-locksmiths-may-be-out-to-pick-your-pocket-too.html 1396026;1454547915;Carli-;asciilifeform: Armory has "offline" wallets that you can spend from. How do you do that with bitcoin-qt? 1396027;1454547967;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The point of Armory was making people with too much RAM and CPU for their own good feel speshul 1396028;1454547987;asciilifeform;Carli-: spend?! 1396029;1454547992;BingoBoingo;Or at least that was the point when it loaded the whole blockchain in RAM 1396030;1454548044;asciilifeform;Carli-: i also don't much care what the best stove for burning pieces of my sofa to heat my house would be, either 1396031;1454548045;BingoBoingo;Because at one point loading the whole blockchain into RAM was an idea that didn't give most people pause. 1396032;1454548077;Carli-;asciilifeform: With Armory, your private keys never touch an onine computer. Also has "Deterministic" wallets. 1396033;1454548117;asciilifeform;!gettrust Carli- 1396034;1454548117;assbot;Carli- is not registered in WoT. 1396035;1454548157;Carli-;asciilifeform: And you can run Multiple wallets at the same time. Is there a way to do that with bitcoin-qt? I am trying to figure that out 1396036;1454548184;asciilifeform;Carli-: afaik nobody here uses 'bitcoin-qt' 1396037;1454548192;asciilifeform;for anything. 1396038;1454548300;Carli-;asciilifeform: which wallet do you use? or are there any other wallets, that can do: Deterministic, Offline transactions, Multiple Wallets ? 1396039;1454548316;shinohai;I said this today in pm with mod6: 17:37 shinohaiPlease no moar qt 1396040;1454548329;guruvan;electrum - but to operate properly, you'd run your own server & node Carli- 1396041;1454548329;asciilifeform;Carli-: therealbitcoin.org 1396042;1454548348;guruvan;asciilifeform: you have HD in trb? 1396043;1454548360;asciilifeform;what's hd 1396044;1454548373;Carli-;HD means Deterministic. 1396045;1454548374;guruvan;deterministic key derivations 1396046;1454548378;asciilifeform;why the FUCK would i 1396047;1454548390;asciilifeform;srsly why do folks insist on tard crypto. 1396048;1454548430;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1396049;1454548430;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SCBZNH.txt ) 1396050;1454548493;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1395950 << recall, it calls out to gpg on shell !1111 1396051;1454548493;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 00:09:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395703 << even so 14 s seems excessive. 1396052;1454548525;Carli-;asciilifeform: so you can back up your wallet to a piece of paper once, only 18 words long is the "seed" 1396053;1454548560;asciilifeform;Carli-: do you understand what this means mathematically ? 1396054;1454548641;Carli-;asciilifeform: i think it is something like this, not sure: SHA256(Seed + 1), Sha256 (seed +2) etc... 1396055;1454548644;adlai;this is the whole point of bip32 - backups which only need to be stolen once 1396056;1454548653;asciilifeform;^ 1396057;1454548657;adlai;Carli-: lol, you should probably read the bip if you're that excited about it 1396058;1454548678;Carli-;asciilifeform: is there something wrong with BIP32? 1396059;1454548686;adlai;Carli-: specifically: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#private-parent-key--private-child-key 1396060;1454548687;assbot;bips/bip-0032.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIzK8W ) 1396061;1454548687;asciilifeform;adlai has it. 1396062;1454548729;adlai;there are some use cases for it, sure. but there's a reason that they weren't automatically merged in despite being invented by the same people 1396063;1454548737;asciilifeform;the other thing is that quite possibly i can derive f(n + 1) from f(n) 1396064;1454548789;*;adlai is not mathemagician enough to know how, but the construction is ~supposed~ to prevent this 1396065;1454548813;Carli-;asciilifeform: yes, i think one of the problems: if someone has 2 of your Private keys AND your Master Public Key, they can find ALL of your private keys. IIRC 1396066;1454548822;adlai;Carli-: s/2/1/ 1396067;1454548827;Carli-;are there any other problems with bip 32? 1396068;1454548838;phf;i thought gpgme spawns a child process and keeps it around. still pushing all that data around is expensive.. 1396069;1454548845;asciilifeform;'this pistol fires the bullet backwards into my face. are there any ~other~ problems with it?' 1396070;1454548851;Carli-;hahaha 1396071;1454548877;asciilifeform;phf: i don't recall anybody using gpgme here 1396072;1454548913;adlai;Carli-: primarily you should understand that the main goals of bitcoin development (in this channel, at least) are to minimize the amount of moving parts 1396073;1454548919;phf;quoted 14s is from my graph thing, and im using gpgme 1396074;1454548919;Carli-;asciilifeform: well, the point is to keep your private keys on a Air-gapped computer offline forever 1396075;1454548938;Carli-;(point of Armory) 1396076;1454548944;adlai;this is an operational concern. the bitcoin node software doesn't even need to know what a private key is! 1396077;1454548952;asciilifeform;Carli-: it is possible to do with without weakening the crypto. 1396078;1454548958;asciilifeform;*to do this 1396079;1454548961;adlai;Carli-: note that http://therealbitcoin.org has no wallet. 1396080;1454548962;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiNFOB ) 1396081;1454548967;asciilifeform;adlai: this is not true 1396082;1454548974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5943 @ 0.00056983 = 3.3865 BTC [+] 1396083;1454548977;asciilifeform;adlai: the original wallet code is entirely in there 1396084;1454548983;asciilifeform;and i am on record as insisting on this. 1396085;1454548987;*;adlai stands corrected. 1396086;1454548991;asciilifeform;because it is a motherfucking REFERENCE implementation 1396087;1454549006;asciilifeform;which must at all times remain capable of bootstrapping bitcoin on alpha centauri, if necessary. 1396088;1454549007;Carli-;asciilifeform: How do you do Deterministic or Offline Wallets, without weakening the crypto? 1396089;1454549022;asciilifeform;Carli-: 'deterministic' wallet is braindamaged 1396090;1454549045;asciilifeform;what part of 'i can quite possibly derive your key' is difficult to understand. 1396091;1454549048;adlai;asciilifeform: would it still be correct to say that there is no intent that people use trb as a wallet? or at least, use the same trb as a network node and a wallet node? 1396092;1454549058;asciilifeform;adlai: you can use it as a jackhammer if you wish 1396093;1454549075;asciilifeform;and i've certainly generated and transmitted tx using it 1396094;1454549079;asciilifeform;as i think most people here have. 1396095;1454549118;asciilifeform;fact is, there ~is~ no non-braindamaged 'wallet', aside from what each of us has quietly hacked together. 1396096;1454549137;trinque;I am as we speak making deedbot use it exactly as such 1396097;1454549138;Carli-;asciilifeform: isn't "deterministic" kind of similar to what OTR, or Axolotl does? 1396098;1454549140;Carli-;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl_(protocol) 1396099;1454549141;assbot;Axolotl (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiNZNb ) 1396100;1454549184;adlai;Carli-: again, the point here is to simplify bitcoin to the minimal required functionality. feature creep, even if they're useful features, is to be avoided. 1396101;1454549189;trinque;lest I shorten my days on earth trying fixing abominations like pybitcointools or btcd 1396102;1454549198;asciilifeform;Carli-: the state-of-the-art among thinking folk is that pre-generated tx are stored on paper and fed into a hot node when necessary 1396103;1454549214;asciilifeform;afaik. 1396104;1454549232;asciilifeform;nobody has seriously improved on this barbarism, at least publicly. 1396105;1454549257;*;adlai would be reminded of travelers' checks, if he were old enough to have ever seen one 1396106;1454549298;adlai;!up Carli- 1396107;1454549315;adlai;Carli-: out of curiosity, how did you find this place? people usually have some inkling of its philosophy when they wander in... 1396108;1454549330;Carli-;asciilifeform: cool, is there a guide that you recommend to do " pre-generated tx" ? 1396109;1454549341;adlai;and why is your hostmask 'garza' 1396110;1454549358;Carli-;i saw a blog that linked to this channel, adlai 1396111;1454549393;adlai;and it didn't scream "these people hate javascrypto" at you? 1396112;1454549531;Carli-;adlai: i was just responding to his post about Armory here, plus i am interested in "offline" transacations, and Multiple Wallets Simultaneously. 1396113;1454549566;mod6;asciilifeform: any objections to me replacing those vpatches on the mirror now, or should I wait for you to give them a try first? 1396114;1454549582;adlai;Carli-: well, you can keep your wallet(s) on an offline computer, and only send the addresses around on the internet - using any program. 1396115;1454549596;trinque;mod6: I just built 99996 plus funkenstein's importprivkey patch btw, bout to give it a go 1396116;1454549606;mod6;nice trinque, gl. 1396117;1454549619;adlai;Carli-: fyi http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1396118;1454549621;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1396119;1454549638;Carli-;adlai: How do you make a transaction while keeping the wallet offline? 1396120;1454549705;adlai;Carli-: you build the tx on the online node, transfer it across the airgap, sign on offline wallet, transfer back. 1396121;1454549748;Carli-;adlai: is there a guide, that you recommend for that? 1396122;1454549897;adlai;Carli-: not really, i don't think this is the same kind of procedure as googling three-ingredient brownies 1396123;1454549953;Carli-; lol 1396124;1454550135;BingoBoingo;A sad story https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/836619 1396125;1454550137;assbot;Dating dreams dashed | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiQKy0 ) 1396126;1454550156;asciilifeform;mod6: post'em 1396127;1454550176;phf;where does wallet put its transactions? mempool? 1396128;1454550290;shinohai;can confirm mod6 's patches work well 1396129;1454550292;mircea_popescu;yes 1396130;1454550315;mod6;yah, shinohai tested these for me today. seemed to work for him. 1396131;1454550321;mod6;asciilifeform: ok cool thx. 1396132;1454550367;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396026 << this is nonsensical on its face. 1396133;1454550367;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 01:05:15; Carli-: asciilifeform: Armory has "offline" wallets that you can spend from. How do you do that with bitcoin-qt? 1396134;1454550389;mircea_popescu;what distinction do you do there ? so you sign the txn on one system, and dump it as a rawtx on another. this is a big deal somehow ? 1396135;1454550420;mod6;i'll also update the graph while im at it. 1396136;1454550426;mircea_popescu;simple "offline" qt : have two talk to each other, inspect the interface, extract tx, dump it to printer. 1396137;1454550467;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396032 << define "touch". 1396138;1454550467;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 01:07:57; Carli-: asciilifeform: With Armory, your private keys never touch an onine computer. Also has "Deterministic" wallets. 1396139;1454550535;Carli-;mircea_popescu: Is there a guide on how to do it in bitcoin-qt? here is more info on how Armory works: https://bitcoinarmory.com/cold-storage/ 1396140;1454550536;assbot;Cold Storage - Armory Bitcoin Wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiREe5 ) 1396141;1454550624;mircea_popescu;"Cold storage was innovated by the Armory Bitcoin wallet. Armory provide a first-of-its-kind interface for easily managing offline wallets for true cold storage. " 1396142;1454550627;mircea_popescu;mmmkay it lost me. 1396143;1454550631;mircea_popescu;got anything else ? 1396144;1454550657;*;adlai is still curious about the 'garza' hostmask 1396145;1454550673;phf;lurk 6 months, build trb, replace RelayMessage in http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp#0645 with your own thing that serializes CTransaction to file, come back if that doesn't quite work 1396146;1454550674;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/wallet.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiRVh3 ) 1396147;1454550682;BingoBoingo;Armory's biggest selling point was a "badass" name it could use to hook n00bz. 1396148;1454550725;Carli-;mircea_popescu: iirc, the only thing that "touches"-- you can burn a CD/USB (qrcode?) of the transaction from the offline wallet. Also, it lets u run Multiple Wallets at the same time-- is there a way to do this in bitcoin-qt? 1396149;1454550755;BingoBoingo;Carli-: pipe? 1396150;1454550756;mircea_popescu;yes, i described it above. 1396151;1454550872;Carli-;here is a screenshot of multiple wallets running: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Armory_Bitcoin_Client.png 1396152;1454550872;assbot;File:Armory Bitcoin Client.png - Wikimedia Commons ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiSgjT ) 1396153;1454550913;Carli-;BingoBoingo: what do you mean "pipe"? 1396154;1454550923;BingoBoingo;Carli-: Like | 1396155;1454550956;BingoBoingo;In a useful OS you can | things all over the place 1396156;1454550974;adlai;Carli-: have you ever heard of "feature creep"? being able to specify a feature, which is related to an existing program, doesn't mean the same program should include that feature 1396157;1454550975;Carli-;BingoBoingo: yes, but you want minimal contact for the airgapped machine. so some people recommend burning CD's 1396158;1454551003;BingoBoingo;Carli-: You can | to CD 1396159;1454551012;BingoBoingo;Or | to thermal receipt printer 1396160;1454551023;BingoBoingo;ANd | to qrcode generator 1396161;1454551083;Carli-;adlai: yes, i know feature creep 1396162;1454551091;BingoBoingo;And the best part is | works very well offline 1396163;1454551231;phf;"the later models were suposed to have been designed by other screamers" 1396164;1454551328;mircea_popescu;by now the gap is so large people can't even grasp it. 1396165;1454551392;mod6;ok mirror is updated. i've pulled, pressed, compiled and am now running with all the latest. 1396166;1454551399;mircea_popescu;cool! 1396167;1454551400;mod6;gl, let me know if anyone hits any snags. 1396168;1454551610;mod6;the graph has been updated as well. 1396169;1454551639;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396112 << for the record, the concept of "wallet" is pure nonsense. 1396170;1454551639;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 01:32:11; Carli-: adlai: i was just responding to his post about Armory here, plus i am interested in "offline" transacations, and Multiple Wallets Simultaneously. 1396171;1454551663;mircea_popescu;maybe not as self-combustingly insane as the Bitcoin notion of "accounts" , but still. 1396172;1454551809;mircea_popescu;lmao people are dating on the basis of hating fat people ? 1396173;1454551815;BingoBoingo;Apparently 1396174;1454551878;BingoBoingo;When divorce comes it makes allotting fault easier. "Relationship was built on lies, why else would she get fat after declaring her hate for it" 1396175;1454553264;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski I'm glad this one closed. Now that he's back he's on pace to hit 80 points. 30 games left, got three points in his first one back. https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/ 1396176;1454553265;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.45 B (3%) on Yes, 12.72 B (97%) on No | closed 4 days 2 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t ) 1396177;1454553265;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1396178;1454553516;TomServo;ahoy b-asseteers 1396179;1454553530;TomServo;I've finally got a node past the wedge, and there was much rejoicing 1396180;1454553569;BingoBoingo;Cool TomServo congrats 1396181;1454553631;shinohai;gg TomServo 1396182;1454553770;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski for the lulz https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5609 1396183;1454553771;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.45 B (3%) on Yes, 12.72 B (97%) on No | closed 4 days 2 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdP60r ) 1396184;1454553771;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1396185;1454553881;TomServo;re: the conversation of logging earlier, I tend to launch bitcoind within a tmux session and have seen errors dumped to console after a hang/crash 1396186;1454553894;TomServo;if these are also dumped to debug.log, I'm a dope and missed them 1396187;1454553905;TomServo;but i'm probably just relaying the blatently obvious 1396188;1454554029;shinohai;tmux is my friend for keeping it stable in stuck blocks 1396189;1454555042;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1396190;1454555045;asciilifeform;second call for least-hated block cipher ??? 1396191;1454555051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ? 1396192;1454555075;ben_vulpes;over my pay grade, frere 1396193;1454555100;asciilifeform;you're all gonna end up with serpent 1396194;1454555101;asciilifeform;at this rate. 1396195;1454555113;shinohai;*sigh* 1396196;1454555159;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform is so much more chatty at the new job 1396197;1454555170;ben_vulpes;this is like two weeks straight of kilo+ logline days 1396198;1454555184;asciilifeform;blame the folks doin' the milking 1396199;1454555202;ben_vulpes;moo, moo 1396200;1454555238;asciilifeform;'we don't have a cow! we have a ~bull~...' (tm) (r) ('kingpin') 1396201;1454555261;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_epmoLeRGA << oblig 1396202;1454555262;assbot;Kingpin (2/11) Best Movie Quote - We Don't Have a Cow (1996) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdR6pv ) 1396203;1454555313;phf;aes-256 cbc? 1396204;1454555326;*;asciilifeform does not particularly like aes 1396205;1454555410;phf;twofish? 1396206;1454555427;*;asciilifeform not overly fond of twofish 1396207;1454555444;BingoBoingo;redfish? bluefish? 1396208;1454555579;shinohai;gpg + ratchet ftw 1396209;1454555750;phf;so in my gossipd attempt i'm basically just slinging gpg packets over the wire. have a little state machine that reads/validates openpgp packets from the wire. that doesn't work for streams though.. (in before eww) 1396210;1454555951;mod6;mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html 1396211;1454555952;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm ) 1396212;1454555991;mod6;<+TomServo> I've finally got a node past the wedge, and there was much rejoicing << Rejoice! 1396213;1454556237;mod6;In regards to the above email section 0x04: To test this, one can simply grab polarbeard's vpatch and sig and drop them into place, then try to press the entire tree. This should hault throwing an error since the actual output hash does not match the ~expected~ output hash. 1396214;1454556250;mats;looks like garza hostname belongs to a vpn 1396215;1454556451;shinohai;hue 1396216;1454556558;*;TomServo dusts off Applied Cryptography. 1396217;1454556565;mod6;nice 1396218;1454556600;TomServo;"My favorite algorithm is IDEA. ..yadda .yadda.. Barring extraordinary cryptanlyic news tomorrow, I am betting on IDEA today." 1396219;1454556606;TomServo;fwiw 1396220;1454556808;asciilifeform;TomServo: broken long ago. 1396221;1454556852;asciilifeform;(also has very broad class of weak keys.) 1396222;1454556857;shinohai;mine using only your dick using our unique rot2 algo 1396223;1454556952;BingoBoingo;Look what makes the news on a day archive.is is having problems https://archive.is/RBGBW 1396224;1454556953;assbot;Link Rot Rx: 'Amber' Add-on For WordPress and Drupal - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdSIQ0 ) 1396225;1454556997;TomServo;asciilifeform: was it extraordinary news? 1396226;1454557018;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is blowfish known bad? 1396227;1454557024;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not as such 1396228;1454557060;asciilifeform;but the thing is, the ~total~ lack of sound theoretical basic for ~any~ publicly known block cipher, makes the breaking of one entirely 'ordinary' news, when it happens. 1396229;1454557467;BingoBoingo;brb 1396230;1454558015;gernika;mod6: testing out v99995. I notice that if I attempt to press a non-existant v.patch, there is no error, and it goes ahead and presses *something* (seems to generate the full source in the target dir). Not sure if this is intended behavior or not. 1396231;1454558217;mod6;huh. ok. 1396232;1454558261;mod6;so you ran something like `./v.pl p v foobar non-existing.vpatch` and then something ends up in foobar? 1396233;1454558269;gernika;right 1396234;1454558298;mod6;ok, thanks, i've been working on a fix for a similar thing, actually, which is related to a similar test by ben_vulpes -- but haven't completed it yet. 1396235;1454558304;mod6;I'll keep this in mind as a test case. 1396236;1454558363;gernika;np. 1396237;1454558441;phf;asciilifeform: Ангстрем-3? 1396238;1454559819;mircea_popescu; I've finally got a node past the wedge, and there was much rejoicing << wd. 1396239;1454559859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> second call for least-hated block cipher ??? << fucking the least ugly girl at the party means you'll do a lot of uglies. 1396240;1454559898;mircea_popescu;phf fuck streams. 1396241;1454559914;mod6;so yah, if i can get something figured out for that bug, maybe there will be a beta2 patch. 1396242;1454559960;mod6;but not for at least a week. i need some time to look into that and to let people test the beta patch. i want to get these resolved so we can move on. 1396243;1454559998;mircea_popescu;sounds fine mod6 1396244;1454560045;mod6;thanks for your patience, Mr. P. & all. 1396245;1454560297;mircea_popescu;!up Carli- 1396246;1454562891;mircea_popescu;ahahaha Frances Kang! 1396247;1454562898;mircea_popescu;where the fuck do these idiots find all the roadkill already. 1396248;1454567142;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/mercedes-joins-german-carmaker-emissions-train/ 1396249;1454567143;assbot;Mercedes Joins German Carmaker Emissions Train | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVQURG ) 1396250;1454575814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6506 @ 0.00056983 = 3.7073 BTC [+] {3} 1396251;1454575875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4761 @ 0.0005701 = 2.7142 BTC [+] 1396252;1454578559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0005701 = 5.3874 BTC [+] 1396253;1454579474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00056888 = 1.2231 BTC [-] {2} 1396254;1454580970;jurov;mircea_popescu: qntra report sums to 8969 shares, but you sent me 384 more? 1396255;1454581155;jurov;also "18`706 S.QNTR shares issued this period." in trilema article is completely off, and total number of issued shares I know about is only 182`579 1396256;1454581256;jurov;or 183k or something like that (will doublecheck later) 1396257;1454581420;jurov;oh i see "MPEx will issue twice that count of shares, allocating half to the Qntra board block, and half to the respective authors" 1396258;1454581506;jurov;so that's okay, only the +384 distribution issue remains 1396259;1454582892;jurov;anyway, the rest of shares were distributed to coinbr accounts. 1396260;1454583665;jurov;!up AaronvanW 1396261;1454584109;jurov;hi AaronvanW, how is the nordic system? 1396262;1454584168;AaronvanW;it's supposed to be pretty sweet jurov. I'm not from a nordic country though 1396263;1454586123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9404 @ 0.00056856 = 5.3467 BTC [-] {2} 1396264;1454587346;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395785 << thanks, I've fixed it now, I had no idea it used sha1 by default... 1396265;1454587346;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 22:40:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395522 << polarbeard seriously fix your pgp! 1396266;1454588502;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 tested and working. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 1396267;1454588502;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html 1396268;1454588504;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1396269;1454591535;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: qntra report sums to 8969 shares, but you sent me 384 more? << Sums to 8969 indeed. 9353 words last month minus 384 dupe error from december. Someday TMSR will discover arithmetic. 1396270;1454591759;jurov;well, you should write the reports less ambuguously, then 1396271;1454591766;jurov;(lol what a word) 1396272;1454591789;jurov;if you subtract previous monthly report, subtract errors, too, in the same place 1396273;1454591824;PeterL;ambuguous: when something is so ambiguous it has a bug hidden inside somewhere 1396274;1454591914;BingoBoingo;It is a cascade of errors. I apologize. 1396275;1454592215;jurov;!znc clearallchannelbuffers 1396276;1454592222;jurov;huh 1396277;1454593392;BingoBoingo;!up MrHodl 1396278;1454593397;BingoBoingo;!up samO__ 1396279;1454594480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00056752 = 9.9884 BTC [-] {5} 1396280;1454595937;*;BingoBoingo after a couple more weeks of reading disappointed in latest blogpost on social engineering. Was way too charitable to historical Hegel. 1396281;1454596327;trinque;ambuguously << to the bash with thee! 1396282;1454596414;BingoBoingo;Ambuguous is the right word. 1396283;1454597708;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency jpy 1396284;1454597717;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 44909.70588, vol: 9779.03317634 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 45054.8175, vol: 10150.94149 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43884.5625, vol: 1.37767864 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 45370.9875, vol: 28144.16690000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 45999.929, vol: 2.79424906 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 45607.1399987, vol: 181.99917109 | Volume-weighted last average: 45211.8997973 1396285;1454599692;BingoBoingo;;;ud fupa duped 1396286;1454599693;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fupa-dupe | Mar 14, 2009 ... While getting your cock sucked, the person performing the act goes all the way down to the fupa. 1396287;1454600182;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1396288;1454600348;ascii_butugychag;blockcipher, blockcipher, somebody gotta gimme a blockcipher 1396289;1454600377;thestringpuller;good morning ascii_butugychag how is the labor camp? 1396290;1454600394;ascii_butugychag;busy 1396291;1454600401;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: It's your turn to toss a blockcipher at ascii_butugychag 1396292;1454600408;ascii_butugychag;fulfilling fiveyearplan! 1396293;1454600642;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: At this rate mebbe just surprise us with a block cipher in obfusticated C? Make money taking bets on how long it takes for people to figure out what ciper was pulled out of the hat? 1396294;1454600679;PeterL;maybe make up our own block cypher? or just use them all in series? 1396295;1454600697;thestringpuller;mother box? 1396296;1454600936;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: shit ciphers are for allahsnackbars. 1396297;1454600969;ascii_butugychag;!s bassomatic 1396298;1454600969;assbot;0 results for 'bassomatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bassomatic 1396299;1454600973;ascii_butugychag;;;google bassomatic 1396300;1454600974;gribble;Watch Saturday Night Live: Bassomatic Online | Hulu: ; Bass o Matic - YouTube: ; Super Bass-o-Matic '76 - Yahoo Screen: 1396301;1454600978;ascii_butugychag;hm 1396302;1454600983;ascii_butugychag;;;google bassomatic pgp 1396303;1454600984;gribble;BassOmatic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; PGP Timeline - Cypherspace: ; Considering PGP - Gibson Research Corporation: 1396304;1454600988;ascii_butugychag;^ example. 1396305;1454600997;ascii_butugychag;'amateur hour.' 1396306;1454601094;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Maybe there's an Aloha Snackbar blowfish out there somewhere? 1396307;1454601183;BingoBoingo;!up anondran 1396308;1454601191;BingoBoingo;!up hdbuck 1396309;1454601213;punkman;ascii_butugychag: the keccak folks have "Duplexing the sponge: single-pass authenticated encryption and other applications" 1396310;1454601382;ascii_butugychag;punkman: fits-in-head only plox. 1396311;1454601519;punkman;does ChaCha fit in head? it did fit in those tweets 1396312;1454601580;BingoBoingo;fits in tweet no guarantee of fits in head, head can overflow buffer and leak memory too 1396313;1454601604;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: this is why you need to expand working memory. easily done with stimulants or training! 1396314;1454601619;ascii_butugychag;punkman: it is an example of such, yes 1396315;1454601630;thestringpuller;"Is your PFC having buffer overflow issues? Expand your working memory today!" 1396316;1454601648;ascii_butugychag;i like bernstein but the adoption of his blockciphers by the enemy casts darkness on them. 1396317;1454601688;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: you would venture to mordor if it was worth the trip. 1396318;1454601711;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: After http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/ and doing some reading to get to being able to read historical Hegel started reading Hegel. Fucker's a fount of Imaginationland based socialist evil. 1396319;1454601715;assbot;The Theoretical Foundation of Social Engineering Practice | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1TGysw6 ) 1396320;1454601800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6841 @ 0.00056486 = 3.8642 BTC [-] 1396321;1454602020;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: " It took nitrous oxide intoxication temporarily reducing his mental faculties in a particular way to grasp the Hegelian program as its proponents did." << GIGA-L0L 1396322;1454602036;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1396323;1454602340;thestringpuller;that part of drug induced idiocy to understand the idiots is priceless 1396324;1454602372;BingoBoingo;Not necessarily an idiot, just malicious 1396325;1454602516;thestringpuller;aha 1396326;1454602660;BingoBoingo;It's like software. Person puts a lot of effort into something and it still comes out turd. 1396327;1454603425;mircea_popescu;jurov oops ima take the 384 back soz. 1396328;1454603442;punkman;https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar-submissions.html 1396329;1454603443;assbot;Crypto competitions:CAESAR submissions ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQIJ7l ) 1396330;1454603497;mircea_popescu;!up fuc 1396331;1454603599;BingoBoingo; jurov oops ima take the 384 back soz. << It's my bad in addition to total words I should have reported total shares. 1396332;1454603607;mircea_popescu;aha. 1396333;1454603616;mircea_popescu;nevermind, it's one of those things. 1396334;1454603697;mircea_popescu;btw, for the list of "best shit in the world only found in argentina" it's cherry season and omfg. never have i had black cherries like they have here. 1396335;1454603713;mircea_popescu;i thought last year was a fluke, but nope. 1396336;1454603734;PeterL;Michaigan has pretty good cherries 1396337;1454603779;mircea_popescu;now that may be 1396338;1454603878;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396208 << how is this a symmetric cipher lol. it's just a clunky overimplementation of blowfish or w/e it is gpg uses. 1396339;1454603878;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 03:12:59; shinohai: gpg + ratchet ftw 1396340;1454603990;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << wouldn't it be logic-er at this point to create a v genesis, and then add to that ? 1396341;1454603990;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html 1396342;1454604016;mircea_popescu;up until the point ascii_butugychag made shiva, it made sense to refrain from multi-genesis situaiton for complaisance. but now that there's two, might as well have 3 and this one is actually useful. 1396343;1454604029;mircea_popescu;makes an interestingly enough bootstrapped v. 1396344;1454604110;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so i'm reading here a 500 word opinion piece about mercedes in qntra. why ? not newsy, not bitcon-y, not funny, what is it. 1396345;1454604133;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Envirowank 1396346;1454604163;mircea_popescu;ya, well... 1396347;1454604236;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396257 << yes because the board has half reserved. it's how cazalla got paid when he quit. 1396348;1454604236;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 10:23:40; jurov: oh i see "MPEx will issue twice that count of shares, allocating half to the Qntra board block, and half to the respective authors" 1396349;1454604439;BingoBoingo;The magic pisstank turns out to be placebo when comes to NOx apparently... But I guess this is a bit much for that point. 1396350;1454604462;mircea_popescu;yeh. i mean the inkling is good, but this seems a footnote in something else. 1396351;1454604604;BingoBoingo;I guess it's time to start clueing regular contributors in on that stealth turn we decided on. 1396352;1454604613;mircea_popescu;yeh 1396353;1454604657;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski when you get back we gotta have a conversation about jokes 1396354;1454604657;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1396355;1454604659;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396264 << few do. just another in the long list of gotchas gpg has been gleefully suppling us with over the years. was a big thread about it coupla years ago, but not really repeated often hence. 1396356;1454604659;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 12:02:26; polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395785 << thanks, I've fixed it now, I had no idea it used sha1 by default... 1396357;1454604704;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396273 << pretty good coinage, actually. ambuguous. 1396358;1454604704;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 13:17:04; PeterL: ambuguous: when something is so ambiguous it has a bug hidden inside somewhere 1396359;1454604758;mircea_popescu;!up anondran 1396360;1454604815;BingoBoingo;I think I'm going to stop reading the "Phenomenology of Spirit". I didn't get sober to import the mental version of systemd. 1396361;1454604818;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 << this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a thread here about just that few months ago 1396362;1454604818;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 15:44:39; PeterL: maybe make up our own block cypher? or just use them all in series? 1396363;1454604865;PeterL;I'm just brainstorming here 1396364;1454604889;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396310 << intuitively, a readily reversible sponge function probably makes for a dubious strength hash 1396365;1454604889;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 15:56:22; ascii_butugychag: punkman: fits-in-head only plox. 1396366;1454605043;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag seriously, you are going too far too fast. we are not ready to do this yet. i do not wish to use, and i see no purpose of having deployed in any capacity, a block cipher that does not satisfy a) and b) and idealld d) from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1394698 1396367;1454605043;assbot;Logged on 02-02-2016 23:48:55; mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking vaguely along the lines of making a b-a call for papers for symm cypher, what would we actually want ? i'm thinking a) block sizes of 1, 4, 16, 64 kbytes. none of that bit-denominated bs, wtf is this, 64 bits. fuck that. b) key size of 64kb fixed. c) bonus points for proved hardness, as-hard-as-x etc d) bonus points for not using just basic arithmetics. fuck this shift-and-xor 1396368;1454605070;mircea_popescu;a "few bytes" block cipher has no practical utility. 1396369;1454605095;mircea_popescu;it's a toy, or at best a ready equivalent for haskell crap in a different circle jerk. 1396370;1454605166;mircea_popescu;going ahead just because the horse you're on happens to want to go is how the christian knights were assraped again and again. rein it in, the horse is yours not you the horse's. 1396371;1454605464;mircea_popescu;and re bass-o-matic, note that while ineptly implemented, the origianl p.z. had the exact same intuition. it happens to be the correct posture here, with the expansion that 25 years added - back then 256bytes was a disk block iirc. 1396372;1454605488;mircea_popescu;so sure, they "fixed" his error, but the wrong way. i don't want a fix for a flat tyre that consists in loading me up on a trai nthat goes a different direction. 1396373;1454605515;mircea_popescu;fix MY fucking flat tyre so i go where I wanted to go in the first place., don't tell me idea is better than 2kbit bassomatic, i couldn't give less of a shit. 1396374;1454605532;mircea_popescu;give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. 1396375;1454606063;mircea_popescu;jurov : done. 1396376;1454606253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5500 @ 0.0002676 = 1.4718 BTC [+] 1396377;1454606345;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << wouldn't it be logic-er at this point to create a v genesis, and then add to that ? << Well, in short, yes. Just am aiming to get it in a good working condition and well vetted before a 'genesis'. 1396378;1454606345;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html 1396379;1454606356;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1396380;1454606364;mod6; tested and working. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << thanks! 1396381;1454606364;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html 1396382;1454606389;mod6;but yah, in general, it should have its own tree of vpatches. and will save me a lot of pain too :] 1396383;1454606490;mod6;I've got a local fix in place for ben_vulpes' error that he brought up: A file (of any type) exists in 'patches', and it causes V to fail ungracefully. 1396384;1454606562;mircea_popescu;i think it should yea. besides, here's the beauty of it : "broken" v as previously was could nevertheless be used to bootstrap fixed v as currently it is found. you know ? 1396385;1454606570;mircea_popescu;past a certain fixedness level, it can just fix itself. 1396386;1454606619;mod6;yeah, i agree. im hoping that after this round of fixes in place, that the mission-critical features are solid enough to warrent a genesis. 1396387;1454606630;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1396388;1454606636;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.99, vol: 10490.47254911 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 388.68, vol: 8998.20543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.69, vol: 29794.89622714 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 1.36321508 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 390.229344, vol: 31426.94780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 390.55, vol: 343.59925538 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 385.917, vol: 68.99229772 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1396389;1454606638;BingoBoingo;;;more 1396390;1454606638;gribble;388.703487108 1396391;1454606644;BingoBoingo;^ Movement! 1396392;1454606711;mircea_popescu;makes sense mod6 1396393;1454606799;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1396394;1454606832;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396366 << realize, you and everybody else here is using aes in every pgpgram. 1396395;1454606832;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 16:57:23; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag seriously, you are going too far too fast. we are not ready to do this yet. i do not wish to use, and i see no purpose of having deployed in any capacity, a block cipher that does not satisfy a) and b) and idealld d) from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1394698 1396396;1454606841;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit what evereyone here does. 1396397;1454606846;ascii_butugychag;this is something we're stuck with for so long as using gpg 1396398;1454606846;mircea_popescu;everyone here gives usg money, too. 1396399;1454606853;mircea_popescu;i don;'t wish to continue using gpg. 1396400;1454606856;ascii_butugychag;but with new proggy, also aes ? 1396401;1454606859;mircea_popescu;no. 1396402;1454606866;mircea_popescu;new stuff is made right. that's the principle. 1396403;1454606872;ascii_butugychag;i have a proggy, unreleased because dun wanna aes. 1396404;1454606883;mircea_popescu;no matter how broken old shit is, it may be only used to bootstrap the creation of correct shit. 1396405;1454606894;mircea_popescu;don't make NEW broken things. 1396406;1454606895;ascii_butugychag;it is, or would be, quite useful, if someone would accept an answer to 'what instead of aes' 1396407;1454606905;ascii_butugychag;precisely, i'd like to not make new-broken-things. 1396408;1454606910;mircea_popescu;tell you what, im writing this bitbet report, 1396409;1454606921;mircea_popescu;after which i will write a cipher competition, and include my idea. 1396410;1454606929;mircea_popescu;which isn't much of an idea, admittedly, but it's all i got. 1396411;1454606992;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << sorta what bernstein tried to do. fits-in-head ciphers. 1396412;1454606992;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. 1396413;1454607024;ascii_butugychag;the basic problem with ALL known block ciphers is that they are based on fairy dust 1396414;1454607028;ascii_butugychag;rather than provable difficulty. 1396415;1454607041;ascii_butugychag;'this was confusing to ME' is the basis, EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME 1396416;1454607066;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1396417;1454607067;ascii_butugychag;'this is clever and i have nfi how anyone could possibly attack' is proof of ~nothing~ but the intellectual limits of the author 1396418;1454607085;mircea_popescu;note that this is how the "scaling bictoin" "discussion" among "experts" goes : 1396419;1454607090;mircea_popescu;"i have no idea why this wouldn't..." 1396420;1454607108;mircea_popescu;buncha retarded children told too often they're smart and special by drunks and whores. 1396421;1454607151;ascii_butugychag;but re: earlier thread, i'ma publish 'g'. and it'll have one or more of the bad old ciphers from gpg. BECAUSE gpg is ~already~ the weak link in the proposed system. or ben_vulpes doesn't get to download his w4r3z 1396422;1454607171;ascii_butugychag;because i don't have 20 years to wait for discovery of good cipher. 1396423;1454607173;mircea_popescu;no. 1396424;1454607187;ascii_butugychag;what instead? 1396425;1454607189;mircea_popescu;this is fucking stupid, as it just cements the bad but apparently tmsr-acceptable now cipher. 1396426;1454607191;mircea_popescu;NOTHING instead. 1396427;1454607196;mod6;alright, i've got a local fix for gernika's bug where it'll press the entire tree out if the given vpatch is not in the flow. 1396428;1454607197;mircea_popescu;until this is fixed, nothing instead. 1396429;1454607211;ascii_butugychag;i'll wait for mircea_popescu to cough up provably-correct cipher..? 1396430;1454607218;mod6;in this case, V will return an error stating something like this: HEAD: asdfasdfasdf not found in flow 1396431;1454607268;*;ascii_butugychag surprised at how mircea_popescu puts up with 'cementing' the abominably-broken gpg set 1396432;1454607361;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396361 << i could've sworn we had a thread re: this 1396433;1454607361;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 16:53:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 << this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a thread here about just that few months ago 1396434;1454607376;ascii_butugychag;chaining INDEPENDENT ciphers with INDEPENDENT keys cannot possibly result in added weakness 1396435;1454607381;ascii_butugychag;or i could use it as cryptoanalysis 1396436;1454607431;ascii_butugychag;this is rather like arguing that 'cutting a man's abdominal cavity open will weaken and kill him.' YES if we haven't invented antiseptics yet 1396437;1454607603;ascii_butugychag;and now i wonder how the fuck mircea_popescu can live with rsa 1396438;1454607610;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag the example then was that the chain allows you to introduce known-weak points in a subsequent pass without being able to know it 1396439;1454607617;mircea_popescu;it was a problem of 0 vs "the hashed value of 0" 1396440;1454607628;ascii_butugychag;unproven hardness of rsa! 1396441;1454607634;mircea_popescu;that's not a concern. 1396442;1454607657;ascii_butugychag;then what? 1396443;1454607666;ascii_butugychag;that in particular was my concern with existing block ciphers 1396444;1454607819;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag http://dpaste.com/3E88KEW 1396445;1454607820;assbot;dpaste: 3E88KEW ... ( http://bit.ly/1QIx0GK ) 1396446;1454608052;ascii_butugychag;hm. 1396447;1454608091;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: if this were so, may as well have sent the message in the clear! 1396448;1454608163;mircea_popescu;quite. 1396449;1454608871;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1396450;1454609033;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << if i can't encrypt a 512byte udp (or file off the protocol number as per gossipd thread) single-packet-hello turd, it's useless 1396451;1454609033;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. 1396452;1454609073;mircea_popescu;why wouldn't you be able to ? 1396453;1454609085;ascii_butugychag;if block is, e.g, 64kB 1396454;1454609107;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu knows how block ciphers work, aha? 1396455;1454609119;mircea_popescu;you want a block cipher for udp packets ?! 1396456;1454609127;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1396457;1454609158;ascii_butugychag;otherwise stuck with pure rsa 1396458;1454609185;mircea_popescu;looky : the insane 500 byte udp limit PRECLUDES good cryptography 1396459;1454609191;ascii_butugychag;which, if you include padding room, is rather questionable at 512b 1396460;1454609194;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: this is unproven 1396461;1454609205;mircea_popescu;unproven in what sense. 1396462;1454609218;mircea_popescu;nobody filed the proof with your office ? 1396463;1454609226;ascii_butugychag;in what other ! 1396464;1454609230;mircea_popescu;aha k. 1396465;1454609234;mircea_popescu;will stay unproven. 1396466;1454609278;mircea_popescu;what else isn't proven, that teleco standards ALSO preclude good cryptography ? 1396467;1454609298;ascii_butugychag;enemy has point-to-point links. we - don't. 1396468;1454609307;ascii_butugychag;we're stuck with the net. 1396469;1454609323;mircea_popescu;you don't have to put the crypto layer UNDER the upd chunkage. 1396470;1454609341;ascii_butugychag;you do if you want to follow the NOBODY GETS NOTHING FOR SHOWING UP principle 1396471;1454609349;mircea_popescu;that's an unrelated consideration. 1396472;1454609349;ascii_butugychag;as discussed in the gossipd thread. 1396473;1454609356;mircea_popescu;for THAT you can use whatever you want. 1396474;1454609368;mircea_popescu;heck, bassomatic should be good enough. 1396475;1454609375;ascii_butugychag;if i can't decide friend or foe after first 512byte, then no go 1396476;1454609388;mircea_popescu;again : even bassomatic would work for that purpose. 1396477;1454609397;ascii_butugychag;so mircea_popescu is thinking of key leakage. 1396478;1454609397;mircea_popescu;nobody is spending a dollar to break a safe that holds five cents. 1396479;1454609428;ascii_butugychag;wrong perspective 1396480;1454609437;ascii_butugychag;it's 5 quintillion safes that hold 5cent each. 1396481;1454609451;mircea_popescu;it's not, no. what, you use a single key for all udp packets ever ?! 1396482;1454609461;ascii_butugychag;well no. 1396483;1454609464;mircea_popescu;so then. 1396484;1454609470;*;ascii_butugychag sees what mircea_popescu was getting at earlier. 1396485;1454609515;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, all block (and even stream) implementations in the battlefield use over-the-wire rekeying 1396486;1454609523;ascii_butugychag;handily deals with 'i can get your key after X MB' 1396487;1454609536;ascii_butugychag;pill is 'you never see X MB with same key' 1396488;1454609548;mircea_popescu;more or less. 1396489;1454609560;ascii_butugychag;new one is introduced over the wire enciphered with old one, but enemy has no idea WHEN. 1396490;1454609567;mircea_popescu;more or less #2. 1396491;1454609597;altscoopbutt;http://qntra.net/2016/02/united-states-capitol-region-to-bribe-potential-repeat-criminals/ 1396492;1454609598;assbot;United States Capitol Region To Bribe Potential Repeat Criminals | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa8Hbr ) 1396493;1454609598;ascii_butugychag;this is so basic that it is even beaten to death in usg standards documents for their crud, in public 1396494;1454609628;trinque;^ was just about to 1396495;1454609640;trinque;guy got devoiced for some reason 1396496;1454609652;punkman;https://github.com/gvanas/KeccakCodePackage/blob/master/Standalone/CompactFIPS202/Keccak-readable-and-compact.c this sponge business is interesting 1396497;1454609654;assbot;KeccakCodePackage/Keccak-readable-and-compact.c at master · gvanas/KeccakCodePackage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa8Uvp ) 1396498;1454609670;BingoBoingo;trinque: These things happen. 1396499;1454609705;trinque; http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-january-2015-statement-2/ << also 1396500;1454609706;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) January 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa98m7 ) 1396501;1454609760;mircea_popescu;2 ? wtf o noes. 1396502;1454609774;punkman;2015 1396503;1454609781;mircea_popescu;aha 1396504;1454609813;BingoBoingo;Eventually TMSR will get counting. Then we can have arithmetic. Eventually ciphers. 1396505;1454609831;BingoBoingo;*Further eventually ciphers. 1396506;1454609832;punkman;wonder what will be the biggest bbet in 2016 1396507;1454609849;mircea_popescu;so far it's trump 1396508;1454609875;deedbot-;[Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-january-2016-statement/ 1396509;1454609879;punkman;should email him to bet on himself 1396510;1454609885;mircea_popescu;totally. 1396511;1454609937;BingoBoingo;Over this past week Rush has back off of his Trump promotion and shifted focus to the actual race between the two legit hispanic candidates. 1396512;1454609945;BingoBoingo;GOP: Party of Diversity 1396513;1454609993;mircea_popescu;he's toast is he. 1396514;1454610023;ascii_butugychag;that there is no escape from clitler was obvious years ago 1396515;1454610025;ascii_butugychag;imho. 1396516;1454610067;PeterL;you don't think sanders has a chance to beat her? 1396517;1454610072;ascii_butugychag;hell no 1396518;1454610096;ascii_butugychag;he was put on the stage for same reason as, in last cycle, mike gravel 1396519;1454610106;ascii_butugychag;'overton endstop' 1396520;1454610111;BingoBoingo;Gravel's always ran, always under 2% 1396521;1454610127;PeterL;my wife is pretty sure Sanders is going to save us , I don't get it 1396522;1454610140;BingoBoingo;Sanders might eat clitler's lunch like Hussein did in 08 1396523;1454610165;BingoBoingo;Clitler is probably going to have to try again in 2020 1396524;1454610168;mircea_popescu;which one is sanders again ? 1396525;1454610173;PeterL;the socialist 1396526;1454610176;mircea_popescu;ah 1396527;1454610176;BingoBoingo;Vermont socialist 1396528;1454610190;PeterL;to liberal to fit in with the democrats 1396529;1454610191;BingoBoingo;Poorest person in congress 1396530;1454610212;PeterL;*too liberal 1396531;1454610228;mircea_popescu;what's liberal mean in the us anymore, retarded ? communist ? 1396532;1454610235;PeterL;pretty much 1396533;1454610241;mircea_popescu;well which lol 1396534;1454610249;PeterL;"fairness! equality! 1396535;1454610269;PeterL;make the rich pay! gimme gimme gimme" 1396536;1454610271;mircea_popescu;so strange, seeing how what liberal means is "o, he's raping you ? good for you! spread wider ?" 1396537;1454610313;PeterL;I think liberal used to mean something different, but the term has been coopted by idiots 1396538;1454610344;mircea_popescu;quite exactly what i said above, actually. 1396539;1454610597;ascii_butugychag;american politics doesn't operate on ideologies 1396540;1454610604;ascii_butugychag;it is far more african than that 1396541;1454610616;ascii_butugychag;operates on ~groups~, which are largely products of historical accident. 1396542;1454610622;PeterL;american politics operates on idiotologies 1396543;1454610652;ascii_butugychag;'liberal' in usa means 'panders to these 17 types of losers who exist in loose coalition' 1396544;1454610667;PeterL;only 17? 1396545;1454610671;ascii_butugychag;~ 1396546;1454610716;PeterL;!up ascii_butugychag 1396547;1454610815;phf;ma safe spaaace~~ 1396548;1454610998;BingoBoingo;Alright the one thing worth taking away from the "Phenomenology of Spirit" is that USSA is evil in a more profound way than USSR was most of the time. 1396549;1454611127;ascii_butugychag;the hilarious part about american politicircus is that none of the groups pandered-to actually ever ~get~ so much as a bite of the carrot 1396550;1454611139;ascii_butugychag;(the ~actual~ usg would not have it) 1396551;1454611163;PeterL;they get token bit here and there 1396552;1454611210;ascii_butugychag;not really. 1396553;1454611222;PeterL;"see how that carrot tastes? elect me again or those EVIL guys are gonna take it away" 1396554;1454612142;mircea_popescu;idiotologies lol 1396555;1454612266;PeterL;I used to really be into following sports and politics, at some point I realized my fervor had equally little effect on either, I am trying to cut back and ignore them 1396556;1454612334;mircea_popescu;the chief disadvantage of living in a large country. 1396557;1454612421;*;BingoBoingo starting to believe the materialism if anything might have made Marxism safer than what Idealism wrought in the Harvard educated. 1396558;1454612837;mircea_popescu;this is not altogether a bad theory. 1396559;1454612850;mircea_popescu;idealism is generally a stupidity-amplifier in all seen deployments. 1396560;1454613423;mircea_popescu;from https://cr.yp.to/bib/online.html : "instead of signing a copyright transfer agreement. If you ever encounter a publisher that doesn't accept this, let me know, and I'll be happy to blacklist that publisher here. I'm now blacklisting IEEE and ACM." 1396561;1454613426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9pWCo ) 1396562;1454614039;deedbot-;[Trilema] B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition - http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/ 1396563;1454614965;mod6;nice i threw it out there in the twat space 1396564;1454615111;mircea_popescu;cool! 1396565;1454615194;mircea_popescu;https://cr.yp.to/hardware/advice.html << turns out djb has a standard workstation. 1396566;1454615197;assbot;Advice for computer buyers ... ( http://bit.ly/1TH0don ) 1396567;1454615208;mod6;A great idea, overall. Thanks for posting that and putting up the reward. 1396568;1454615277;mircea_popescu;also open to ammendations / fixes if anyone sees anything amiss. 1396569;1454615452;phf;mircea_popescu: i've been using his guide in the early 2000s, but then i think he caved and switched to laptops, because he stopped updating it. he has a recent build recommendation https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140602-saber.html from his "saber cluster" 1396570;1454615453;assbot;cr.yp.to: 2014.06.02: The Saber cluster ... ( http://bit.ly/20cnD4C ) 1396571;1454615470;mircea_popescu;aha 1396572;1454615569;phf;(like he has this running ubuntu on macbook air guide http://cr.yp.to/hardware/air.html) 1396573;1454615570;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20cnPAU ) 1396574;1454616328;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1396575;1454616381;mircea_popescu;So in re the tmsr call for papers. the Plouffe-Euler-? block cipher would work as follows : 1396576;1454616381;mircea_popescu;you need a proper "destructive multiplication" item, which i'll discuss later, noted here . you proceed to calculate the maxint+key to maxint+key+block digits of pi via repeated applications of the original plouffe algo, and you the result with the plaintext message which yields the ciphered message. 1396577;1454616382;mircea_popescu;to decipher you calculate the maxint+key to maxint+key+block digits of e with a plouffe-like algo (not here included) which you ' with the ciphered message yielding the original plaintext. 1396578;1454616382;mircea_popescu;the properties which must obviously exhibit make it only partly similar to plain multiplication - perhaps group theory may produce a good candidate, i have not currently a very clear picture of what this item should actually be, but seems like some sort of modulo-multiplicator. 1396579;1454616387;mircea_popescu;the properties which ' must exhibit may make the entire scheme unfeasible, but i can't seem to prove ' may not exist. 1396580;1454616390;mircea_popescu;notably, this scheme does not necessarily produce the correct plaintext every time. CRC will probably have to be included in the message in any case ; massaging of convenient /' pairs will be required to get error rates statistically under an acceptable threshold. 1396581;1454616394;mircea_popescu;the ? is obviously reserved for the name of whoever produces the damned . 1396582;1454616458;mircea_popescu;maxint in there is quite literally, maxint. currently pi is computed up to about 2*10^13 or so digits. signed 64 bit max is ~10^19 1396583;1454616617;*;ascii_butugychag just read mircea_popescu's thing 1396584;1454616645;*;mircea_popescu waves 1396585;1454616705;ascii_butugychag;the danger of using transcendentals for crypto is that it opens you up to clever analogue (!) attacks 1396586;1454616780;mircea_popescu;in principle, yeah. 1396587;1454616806;mircea_popescu;kinda why we go deep into the shag. 1396588;1454616841;ascii_butugychag;this is sort of why i'd like to take the opposite approach, rather than take a 'this looks confusing!111' item like transcendental digits, take a proven-nphard problem and 'cryptoify' it somehow 1396589;1454616845;ascii_butugychag;e.g., travelling salesman 1396590;1454616856;mircea_popescu;also a perfectly valid approach. 1396591;1454616917;mircea_popescu;the main advantage, perhaps counterin tuitively, to the PE? scheme is that it's so veryt computationally expensive. 1396592;1454616939;mircea_popescu;contrary to piously fraudulent consensus in the field, expensiveness is a quality of cryptographic items. 1396593;1454616954;mircea_popescu;it only hinders the people who want to talk about it, is all. 1396594;1454616975;ascii_butugychag;to a point. 1396595;1454616990;mircea_popescu;if someone has to expend 1 petahash every time they send me encrypted anything, that's grand. 1396596;1454616990;ascii_butugychag;a 1-baud ciphertron is not very helpful in most situations. 1396597;1454617004;mircea_popescu;matter of cost, not of time. 1396598;1454617017;ascii_butugychag;if parallelizes. 1396599;1454617026;mircea_popescu;make the postage stamp as part of the encryption, as it were. 1396600;1454617044;mircea_popescu;give people a perfectly valid reason to only take crypto : "i don't want to be spammed" 1396601;1454617052;ascii_butugychag;btw you could achieve this right now, by handing out (disposable) crypted turds containing public key (also single-use) that you would then insist on receiving on. 1396602;1454617057;ascii_butugychag;sender would have to crack the turd. 1396603;1454617065;ascii_butugychag;i did this in one application. 1396604;1454617076;ascii_butugychag;and the idea is, i think, old 1396605;1454617078;mircea_popescu;yeah but this is messier. 1396606;1454617084;ascii_butugychag;!s hashcash 1396607;1454617085;assbot;8 results for 'hashcash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashcash 1396608;1454617087;mircea_popescu;how does user find which are still good and which are spent, for instance. 1396609;1454617110;ascii_butugychag;you offer him a fresh one. 1396610;1454617117;ascii_butugychag;(cheap for you) 1396611;1454617123;mircea_popescu;this means he needs to talk to you before talking to you. 1396612;1454617151;ascii_butugychag;alternatively you put'em in the blockchain 1396613;1454617160;mircea_popescu;protocol vs promise. 1396614;1454617164;ascii_butugychag;well yes 1396615;1454617175;mircea_popescu;if it costs enough to speak, these problems are solved by the very speech 1396616;1454617193;mircea_popescu;which is why i'd like to see much more computationally intensive cipher and encryption. 1396617;1454617217;ascii_butugychag;'fuck you, my public key is m * the next mersenne prime' 1396618;1454617225;mircea_popescu;something like this. 1396619;1454617235;mircea_popescu;except the only paired transcendentals i know of are pi and e. 1396620;1454617244;mircea_popescu;hopefully that relation holds in "well defined" alt-spaces. 1396621;1454617256;mircea_popescu;not that i know how ;/ 1396622;1454617499;mircea_popescu;there's a sad dearth of research in this field. we don't even klnow which of pi*e and pi+e are transcendental. etc. 1396623;1454617538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00057008 = 1.5962 BTC [+] {2} 1396624;1454617563;ascii_butugychag;sorta why i wanted to start with something we ~do~ know... 1396625;1454617600;ascii_butugychag;cipher designers have a severe occupational disease, of confusing own ignorance for actual intractability 1396626;1454617628;mircea_popescu;this is also true. 1396627;1454617689;mircea_popescu;incidentally, are you happy with the call for papers as is ? 1396628;1454617711;ascii_butugychag;largely 1396629;1454617727;ascii_butugychag;i'd add 'probabilistic' to the requirements, but this might be just aesthetic 1396630;1454617730;PeterL;did you set a time limit for it? 1396631;1454617804;mircea_popescu;nope. 1396632;1454617813;ascii_butugychag;also i will add that preferring 'weird' operations, vs. simple arithmetic, costs us more than it costs the enemy. 1396633;1454617816;mircea_popescu;what time limit. we're fucked until it's found. 1396634;1454617818;ascii_butugychag;he can bake a whatever-tronic cpu. 1396635;1454617831;mircea_popescu;the enemy can't bake as much as a brick. 1396636;1454617860;*;ascii_butugychag happens to know that this is, unfortunately, not so 1396637;1454617872;mircea_popescu;understand this "can" correctly : can cargo cult tribe build any item out of straw and mud that they wish ? 1396638;1454617885;mircea_popescu;nope. they can only build items that look enough like the image of a plane as hashed through their culture. 1396639;1454617889;ascii_butugychag;aboriginal - no 1396640;1454617896;mircea_popescu;usg is aboriginal. 1396641;1454617896;ascii_butugychag;captive geologists, at spearpoint - yes. 1396642;1454617908;mircea_popescu;except no idea where to point the spears. 1396643;1454617955;mircea_popescu;the true curse of idiots is that they think they know what they want. and they do get it, most usually. 1396644;1454617990;mircea_popescu;usg can build anything it wants, and it'll never want to build anything useful. much better, more interesting shiny baubles scattered all over the field. 1396645;1454618026;ascii_butugychag;usg does perfectly fine with well-specified, mechanical edifice 1396646;1454618033;ascii_butugychag;e.g., 'compute bbp algo in silico' 1396647;1454618037;ascii_butugychag;subcontracts. 1396648;1454618055;mircea_popescu;even then - prefers to buy coke and whores instead. 1396649;1454618064;mircea_popescu;what's more "well specified, mechanical" than A FUCKING AIRPLANE 1396650;1454618106;ascii_butugychag;the thing about airplanes is that usg does not have so many captive welders, metallurgists, etc. 1396651;1454618114;ascii_butugychag;it has to compete for those with what remains of private industry 1396652;1454618120;ascii_butugychag;but cryptographers, on the other hand... 1396653;1454618160;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1396654;1454618165;ascii_butugychag;it is one of the few fields where usg pays Moar and provides better working conditions than actual industry 1396655;1454618223;ascii_butugychag;for a degreed mathematician, or even talented amateur, the life choices are generally a) web dev b) usg. 1396656;1454618239;mircea_popescu;"cryptographers". 1396657;1454618240;ascii_butugychag;c) change of profession d) drinik. 1396658;1454618243;ascii_butugychag;*drink 1396659;1454618247;mircea_popescu;it also has a lot of bitcoin experts, scattered all over reditg 1396660;1454618250;mircea_popescu;what's that pay ? 1396661;1454618256;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu is seeing the skin of the snake 1396662;1454618258;ascii_butugychag;and its shit 1396663;1454618274;ascii_butugychag;but realize, there is ~also~ the snake 1396664;1454618282;ascii_butugychag;cannot otherwise have a skin, without it 1396665;1454618285;mircea_popescu;note that the tsar's snake similarly was seen as the shit skin only, and look where that took the tsar! 1396666;1454618347;mircea_popescu;consider just a tiny item like : https://cr.yp.to/export/dishonesty.html 1396667;1454618348;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20JCZja ) 1396668;1454618409;ascii_butugychag;what about it 1396669;1454618413;mircea_popescu;now show me zhitomirsky's drunk driven tickets ? 1396670;1454618431;ascii_butugychag;the legal skullduggery is sorta like wetwork 1396671;1454618443;ascii_butugychag;only happens when 1,001 other conveyor steps ~failed~ catastrophically 1396672;1454618450;mircea_popescu;and yet there it is. 1396673;1454618459;ascii_butugychag;the successes - we don't see. 1396674;1454618486;mircea_popescu;if the snake was as competent as is required for a living animal, it would certainly not harry djb with inept shit of that level. 1396675;1454618499;ascii_butugychag;he was being pushed into the corral. 1396676;1454618501;mircea_popescu;it is insulting. if i was djb and lived in su i would fucking phone stalin over this stupidity. 1396677;1454618506;ascii_butugychag;and for all i know - that is where he lives now!11 1396678;1454618518;mircea_popescu;and, this is the important part, ~AND~ those dumbasses would be hanged by their foreskins. 1396679;1454618537;ascii_butugychag;a wild cryptographer is as tolerable to usg as a wild nuke designer. 1396680;1454618568;ascii_butugychag;hey which stalin should i phone re: ninjashotgun? 1396681;1454618574;ascii_butugychag;or the derp who called me on the disconnected phone? 1396682;1454618576;ascii_butugychag;(that's right) 1396683;1454618617;ascii_butugychag;or the one who came by my old office disguised as 'friendly neighbour, retired blahblahblah' 1396684;1454618621;ascii_butugychag;or, or. 1396685;1454618636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2213 @ 0.00056486 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} 1396686;1454618636;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1396687;1454618639;mircea_popescu;ergo, no snake. 1396688;1454618666;ascii_butugychag;pet sayeth, i simply haven't merited my bullet yet 1396689;1454618683;ascii_butugychag;so stuck with the meat circus. 1396690;1454618697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1820 @ 0.00056356 = 1.0257 BTC [-] 1396691;1454618730;mircea_popescu;we're discussing dogvomit, not reptiles. 1396692;1454618840;ascii_butugychag;sorta funny how us is rather like an inverse su in this respect 1396693;1454618848;mircea_popescu;aha. 1396694;1454618858;ascii_butugychag;dogvomit execution, reptilian management 1396695;1454618880;ascii_butugychag;in su - first-class reptilian wetwork, dogvomit manage 1396696;1454618952;ascii_butugychag;the champs of recent history re: both-at-once was prolly israel. hence a dead gerald bull. 1396697;1454618967;mircea_popescu;they certainly had a golden decade. 1396698;1454619041;ascii_butugychag;anyway, poor people shoot, rich - bribe. 1396699;1454619053;ascii_butugychag;usg is doing a decent job of paying most qualified folks ~not~ to crypto. 1396700;1454619104;ascii_butugychag;sorta how i'm being paid, through a pyramid of derpatronic intermediaries, 'not to tmsr' for 8h/d 1396701;1454619146;mircea_popescu;aha. 1396702;1454619160;mircea_popescu;this works for as long as it does, and in no case produces any airpl;anes. 1396703;1454619240;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: re: nuke designer. I remember reading a wired article saying that practical nuclear engineering (bombs) is a dying field since no one can technically test nuclear detonations. Most of the students who were learning from manhattan project-age engineers were learning via word of mouth. 1396704;1454619382;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: it is a dead field for different reason entirely. 1396705;1454619393;ascii_butugychag;-- because it maxed out in 1960s. 1396706;1454619417;thestringpuller;yes. but eventually knowledge to build nuke will vanish. just like sending monkeys to moon. 1396707;1454619469;ascii_butugychag;why would it vanish? 1396708;1454619472;ascii_butugychag;it is on the net 1396709;1454619473;ascii_butugychag;learn ru. 1396710;1454619545;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> -- because it maxed out in 1960s. << aka "because they have no practical utility" 1396711;1454619558;phf;heard similar stories about sending monkeys to moon from nasa people, a lot "research" is a large multi-cultural team trying to reverse engineer 1970s suite glove, etc. 1396712;1454619571;mircea_popescu;!up Nicknaem 1396713;1454619573;ascii_butugychag;!s fogbank 1396714;1454619573;assbot;4 results for 'fogbank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fogbank 1396715;1454619580;ascii_butugychag;phf ^ 1396716;1454619581;phf;right exactly 1396717;1454619588;Nicknaem;goodday 1396718;1454619596;mircea_popescu;hello. who might you be ? 1396719;1454619602;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: yes, saturn V blueprints are on net. lets go to moon shall we? i have 3 days off coming up. 1396720;1454619608;Nicknaem;i have a weird question 1396721;1454619642;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: this is a very 'hollywood' conception of 'blueprints' 1396722;1454619651;ascii_butugychag;actual total plans for something include intermediates 1396723;1454619658;ascii_butugychag;(details of metallurgy, fabrication, etc) 1396724;1454619663;phf;but fogbank stories always seemed like Damascus steal, i.e. very precise and advanced, once discovered and lost, equally hard to recover. never did i think that something like glove coupling can get fogbanked 1396725;1454619671;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: and this exists for nuke? 1396726;1454619674;ascii_butugychag;the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time 1396727;1454619693;Nicknaem;mircea_popescu 1396728;1454619693;Nicknaem; have you read nietzsche's works 1396729;1454619718;ascii_butugychag;phf: do you recall mircea_popescu's top hat ? 1396730;1454619738;ascii_butugychag;!s looms destroyed 1396731;1454619739;assbot;1 results for 'looms destroyed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=looms+destroyed 1396732;1454619740;mircea_popescu;sure. 1396733;1454619749;phf;yes, exactly 1396734;1454619758;mircea_popescu;phf needs a card printed. 1396735;1454619808;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time << yet another one of the problems of not running v. 1396736;1454619826;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: if the looms are destroyed in a fire, there may be no way to reproduce exactly the same end product. 1396737;1454619837;ascii_butugychag;even v users will get in trouble if we get 200 year gap where no v and no perl, etc 1396738;1454619838;thestringpuller;process of rediscovery and all that jazz. 1396739;1454619850;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag actually the one trouble for them is... rebasing :) 1396740;1454619857;mircea_popescu;this being the chief argument against that. 1396741;1454619869;ascii_butugychag;nah, the trouble is always same, 'wtf did it all mean' 1396742;1454619896;mircea_popescu;but you have incremental, crypto-proofed history from an earlier point. 1396743;1454619919;mircea_popescu;the unreliability of record being the chief reason we don;t know history today 1396744;1454619932;ascii_butugychag;except that odoacer III meanwhile broke rsa and collided sha512 1396745;1454619933;mircea_popescu;and by "we" i mean you know, actulaly trained specialists in teh field. 1396746;1454619934;ascii_butugychag;and now what. 1396747;1454619939;mircea_popescu;ha-ha. 1396748;1454619964;ascii_butugychag;or, more plausibly, the last pgptron gave up its smoke after being used in hand-to-hand combat 1396749;1454619993;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1396750;1454620051;mircea_popescu;https://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html << also not a bad read. files from "the days before america turned to usg-shit and the inhabitants still entertained delusions" 1396751;1454620052;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20JG9n7 ) 1396752;1454620126;ascii_butugychag;^ aha, pre-dmca. 1396753;1454620244;ascii_butugychag;re: earlier thread: 1396754;1454620256;ascii_butugychag;block ciphers are not actually necessary if we discard the speed requirement 1396755;1454620261;ascii_butugychag;can abuse public key crypto 1396756;1454620269;ascii_butugychag;(simply keep both keys secret) 1396757;1454620277;mircea_popescu;https://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html << pretty good bash full of lulz. 1396758;1454620278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20JGu9v ) 1396759;1454620287;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag still would be nice to have. 1396760;1454620307;ascii_butugychag;yes but what precisely is the point of a block cipher that is slower ~and~ bulkier than abused-rsa. 1396761;1454620315;phf;mircea_popescu: ok, i don't get it, about the card printed 1396762;1454620348;mircea_popescu;more importantly : we've done enough positive work, to be met by the imbecile's "oh it never happened, if it did we did it already" as seen most recently in reddit's digestion of the block thing ; or in phuctor etc. it's time we do something inquisitive, and let the entire world full of fucktards admit that they're useless. 1396763;1454620354;mircea_popescu;"oh, this is not important" blabla. 1396764;1454620382;mircea_popescu;phf could have "yes, exactly" on one side and "right, exactly" on the other and you could just raise it as appropriate :D 1396765;1454620388;mircea_popescu;throwaway joke, really. 1396766;1454620400;ascii_butugychag;the imbecilatronics will continue exactly as now until physically unplugged, i suspect 1396767;1454620422;mircea_popescu;sure, but i wish to hear a bunch of "oh there's nothing wrong with tiny block ciphers - bitcoin needs larger blocks!!11" 1396768;1454620430;mircea_popescu;for my own personal lulzfile that i eat from. 1396769;1454620458;phf;:) 1396770;1454620517;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag speaking of which, this very expensive rare custom job of a server that was made to be a phuctor host is going to be paid for the 2nd idle month. 1396771;1454620524;mircea_popescu;dja got a comment ? 1396772;1454620578;Nicknaem;i'll be back, this isn't my final form. keep up the good work. 1396773;1454620615;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: took me about that long last time iirc 1396774;1454620692;ascii_butugychag;also will nitpick, not idle, hosting the #1 trbtron since day 1. 1396775;1454620705;ascii_butugychag;virtually 0 downtime. 1396776;1454621169;mircea_popescu;well yes but. 1396777;1454621318;ascii_butugychag;but fair point, i'ma add three arms to it. 1396778;1454621351;ascii_butugychag;unrelatedly, http://aleteya.cs.buap.mx/~jlavalle/papers << mega-l33337-w4r3z 1396779;1454621352;assbot;Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/20JIkXJ ) 1396780;1454621514;mircea_popescu;"Dear Ms. Tarzian: Here's another idea I've had: Weight Beaters. Weight Beaters are a method of encouraging participants to lose weight. A participant who does not lose the desired number of pounds in a month is beaten up. This negative feedback can, of course, be combined with more traditional positive-feedback weight-loss mechanisms." 1396781;1454621578;ascii_butugychag;gold. 1396782;1454621586;ascii_butugychag;like the legendary nazi electric shock typing tutor. 1396783;1454621690;mircea_popescu;that is actually swtill the golden standard 1396784;1454621699;mircea_popescu;as is the ballet teacher holding a switch or light cane. 1396785;1454621716;ascii_butugychag;aha, hindbrain learns. 1396786;1454621732;mircea_popescu;quite. besides, esp ballet, is painful by nature. 1396787;1454621736;mircea_popescu;helps if you even the balance. 1396788;1454622358;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1396789;1454622608;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396655 << /me went with a+d at first, and then switched to 'c' 1396790;1454622608;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 20:37:03; ascii_butugychag: for a degreed mathematician, or even talented amateur, the life choices are generally a) web dev b) usg. 1396791;1454622683;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: you did webdev? 1396792;1454622704;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron was a cryptographer ? 1396793;1454622744;thestringpuller;well he is the crypto-priest of the channel. 1396794;1454623044;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116434 1396795;1454623045;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20JLM4A ) 1396796;1454623096;thestringpuller;always meant to ask ascii_butugychag - what is your avatar? 1396797;1454623106;thestringpuller;looks like a dinosaur 1396798;1454623113;ascii_butugychag;waiwut 1396799;1454623120;thestringpuller;http://www.loper-os.org/avatar.png << that thing 1396800;1454623143;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: ever see film 'fifth element' ? 1396801;1454623159;thestringpuller;yea! a classic. 1396802;1454623176;ascii_butugychag;remember the 'desk elephant' ? 1396803;1454623190;ascii_butugychag;the one hitler has, which emerges at the press of a button, when suction is required ? 1396804;1454623203;ascii_butugychag;(he, iirc, was choking on something) 1396805;1454623213;thestringpuller;AHA 1396806;1454623218;thestringpuller;http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/44171/image_245923197.jpg 1396807;1454623233;ascii_butugychag;that very same. 1396808;1454623245;ascii_butugychag;for some reason, i came to associate him with lisp programming in my head. 1396809;1454623581;thestringpuller;!up raedah 1396810;1454623810;danielpbarron;thestringpuller> danielpbarron: you did webdev? << yeah, at my current gig even. Just switched from office to warehouse 1396811;1454623831;danielpbarron;ascii_butugychag> danielpbarron was a cryptographer ? << notrly 1396812;1454623850;danielpbarron;i was just really really good at html css and php 1396813;1454623921;danielpbarron;and i thought ascii's avatar was an albino fancy rat 1396814;1454624214;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1396815;1454624252;ascii_butugychag;so, danielpbarron, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2015#1326332 ? 1396816;1454624252;assbot;Logged on 18-11-2015 14:54:26; asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost' 1396817;1454624300;danielpbarron;well you said amateur mathematician 1396818;1454624316;danielpbarron;i went to college for math, even if i did drop out right before actually getting a degree 1396819;1454624317;ascii_butugychag;ah l0l 1396820;1454624374;danielpbarron;i made some kinda neat scripts on my own for playing with prime number patterns 1396821;1454624390;ascii_butugychag;ever do the ulam spiral ? 1396822;1454624395;danielpbarron;no 1396823;1454624419;ascii_butugychag;http://ulamspiral.com << whaddayaknow, it has a www. 1396824;1454624421;assbot;Ulamspiral.com - A visual perspective of prime number distribution ... ( http://bit.ly/20JNZwU ) 1396825;1454624447;danielpbarron;i made squares of varying widths where each pixel was colored darker for each prime factor it had, the darkest pixels being powers of 2 1396826;1454624470;danielpbarron;top left corner is the number 1 and was pure white 1396827;1454624517;ascii_butugychag;neato 1396828;1454624520;ascii_butugychag;consider posting 1396829;1454624534;ascii_butugychag;minor digression, but speaking of ulam, 1396830;1454624534;danielpbarron;i don't know if i still have but i'll take a look 1396831;1454624550;danielpbarron;i also coded my own i ching divination proggy 1396832;1454624556;ascii_butugychag;how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? 1396833;1454624609;ascii_butugychag;(and not vice-versa) 1396834;1454625468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5745 @ 0.00056356 = 3.2377 BTC [-] {2} 1396835;1454626620;danielpbarron;!up rfdf4544 1396836;1454626737;danielpbarron;!up rfdf4544 1396837;1454627000;rfdf4544;free bot for getting bitcoins http://bit.ly/BTC_BOT 1396838;1454627073;rfdf4544;free bot for getting bitcoins http://bit.ly/BTC_BOT 1396839;1454627080;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SMpXik ) 1396840;1454627098;danielpbarron;!down rfdf4544 1396841;1454627359;shinohai;wut 1396842;1454627483;danielpbarron;on a related note, there is a free bot for getting bitcoin and it's called FoxyBot and it's for Eulora 1396843;1454628883;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? >> this is what i've been saying re tmsr for a while nao. finally dawned ? 1396844;1454629210;kakobrekla;and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are? 1396845;1454629230;mircea_popescu;for a while for instance they wanted to live in florence, venice etc. 1396846;1454629240;mircea_popescu;for a while they wanted to live in baghdad 1396847;1454629242;mircea_popescu;on it goes 1396848;1454629277;kakobrekla;italy lol. 1396849;1454629322;mircea_popescu;no, not italy 1396850;1454629336;mircea_popescu;"italy" exists in the sense "the united states" exists. barely if at all. 1396851;1454629603;mircea_popescu;in yet other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a336342d056702ca27301f9c05104785/tumblr_nscknciOZ01t7zqzuo1_1280.jpg 1396852;1454629604;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ob1Nmj ) 1396853;1454631263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00056232 = 11.0215 BTC [-] {2} 1396854;1454631616;deedbot-;[Qntra] Popescu Opens Block Cipher Competition: 10 BTC Bounty + Peerage - http://qntra.net/2016/02/popescu-opens-block-cipher-competition-10-btc-bounty-peerage/ 1396855;1454631637;mircea_popescu;a barony! 1396856;1454631655;mircea_popescu;pity we don't have any nubile young ladies to offer in marriage as well. 1396857;1454632117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7221 @ 0.00057009 = 4.1166 BTC [+] 1396858;1454632665;BingoBoingo; a barony! << Barony today, Dutchy tomorrow 1396859;1454632718;mircea_popescu;in further similar news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f62c510755444bbdd80bd42df46dac70/tumblr_nscknciOZ01t7zqzuo2_1280.jpg 1396860;1454632720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3VQ7h ) 1396861;1454632997;BingoBoingo;Jew http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0701%2Fmag_body_Raisman03_RW_576x768.jpg&w=570 1396862;1454632998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20cWKh7 ) 1396863;1454634023;BingoBoingo;Hegel's disgusting endgame https://archive.is/0AC4C and about that author https://archive.is/2fMRA 1396864;1454634023;assbot;This is an Essay About a Fat Woman Being Loved and Getting Laid - The Toast ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Xupj ) 1396865;1454634024;assbot;This is an Essay About a Fat Woman being Mean and Getting Told Off : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Xupp ) 1396866;1454634230;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the story of the Obeast inducing vomit in a normal person has since been removed from reddit by the fee-fee police 1396867;1454634793;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW 1396868;1454634800;BingoBoingo;!up adlai 1396869;1454634861;adlai;this block cipher challenge is too soon, i haven't even finished my BBCC yet 1396870;1454634881;mircea_popescu;i know. 1396871;1454634900;mircea_popescu;da fuck can i do, freedom and decentralization means people run away with the things! 1396872;1454635016;BingoBoingo;I dunno seems like an interesting time to put it out there. Who knows what will wash up? 1396873;1454635077;BingoBoingo;Maybe Perelman decides he needs some Bitcoin to try the Erdos thing? 1396874;1454635315;BingoBoingo;In other news Reddit gets a girlfriend https://archive.is/Vcka4 1396875;1454635316;assbot;Me 22 M with my 23 F 6 month girlfriend, I love her and can't stand the sight of her. : relationships ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Zu0X ) 1396876;1454635565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: played around with a few graph-theoretical approaches (in particular, max-clique problem) 1396877;1454635579;asciilifeform;the real gotcha turns out to be... we don't really have hard difficulty proofs. 1396878;1454635593;asciilifeform;which, yes, contradicts everybody's kindergarten textbook, but bear with me 1396879;1454635612;asciilifeform;we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is, 1396880;1454635631;asciilifeform;any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. 1396881;1454635643;asciilifeform;this is a subtle difference, but quite lethal. 1396882;1454635710;asciilifeform;if there is anybody to whom this does not make sense - speak up! 1396883;1454635961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00056197 = 5.0858 BTC [-] 1396884;1454637192;phf;is because kolmogorov complexity is uncomputable 1396885;1454637250;mircea_popescu;yes. 1396886;1454637261;mircea_popescu;this is exactly ah. 1396887;1454637265;mircea_popescu;phf has it. 1396888;1454637614;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/goodbye-standard-of-care-hello-reasonable-practice/ 1396889;1454637616;assbot;Goodbye Standard of Care, Hello Reasonable Practice - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1S42RVC ) 1396890;1454637621;BingoBoingo;^ related 1396891;1454637658;mircea_popescu;heh 1396892;1454637667;mircea_popescu;bahamascare 1396893;1454637841;mircea_popescu;" In another variation on the theme, statisticians created the concept of a standard deviation realizing that samples in a data set may vary considerably." 1396894;1454637851;mircea_popescu;this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion. 1396895;1454637855;mircea_popescu;shoo to the fields. 1396896;1454637968;BingoBoingo;Update http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/#comment-44924 1396897;1454637969;assbot;Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1S43gYb ) 1396898;1454638020;BingoBoingo; this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion. << Why so surprised. 1396899;1454638164;BingoBoingo;'Murican Doctor-Lawyer supposed to not be an idiot or something? 1396900;1454638214;mircea_popescu;well... either way. 1396901;1454638682;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally. 1396902;1454638706;mircea_popescu;when i see the "s-boxes" and schedules and bs i get this distinct "technician aspiring to be engineer" feeling. 1396903;1454640654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 's-boxes' etc are the voodoo paraphernalia of the block-ciphration field, which was from its very beginning and to this day 100% hokum 1396904;1454640726;asciilifeform;(in fact, the roots of all of the state-of-the-art work ~pre-date~ cook's theorem and the notion of quantifiable algorithmic complexity !) 1396905;1454640736;asciilifeform;and really belong in the rubbish bin with the enigma rotor etc. 1396906;1454640771;asciilifeform;quite possibly the very mission of nsa, for the decades prior to zimmerman, was to keep block cipheration alive... 1396907;1454640794;asciilifeform;(and to sell it through swiss catamite intermediaries to anyone who'd buy, after the last rotor finally gave up the ghost) 1396908;1454640909;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396901 << the other thing is, simplicity is sorta like sanitation. picture trying to explain 'why i do not like to swim in liquid shit' 1396909;1454640909;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 02:18:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally. 1396910;1454640914;asciilifeform;does there need to be a 'why.' 1396911;1454640940;BingoBoingo;Last Firefox feature gone http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/02/04/2221204/firefox-44-deletes-fine-grained-cookie-management 1396912;1454640942;assbot;Firefox 44 Deletes Fine-Grained Cookie Management - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/20vikTw ) 1396913;1454640968;asciilifeform;firefox died forever for me when it started leaking memory. 1396914;1454640978;asciilifeform;(and selling own vulns first-looksee to usg.) 1396915;1454640991;BingoBoingo;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606655 1396916;1454640995;assbot;606655 – Remove "Ask me everytime" cookies option. ... ( http://bit.ly/20vir19 ) 1396917;1454641011;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The thing about turds is they can keep dying forever. 1396918;1454641028;asciilifeform;this is why we have burial. 1396919;1454641030;asciilifeform;and cremation. 1396920;1454641038;asciilifeform;so that things do not need to 'keep dying forever' 1396921;1454641084;BingoBoingo;Turd gets eaten by clover, dies forever when eaten by bunny. Dies forever when eaten by hunter. Bunny becomes turd. repeat 1396922;1454641426;BingoBoingo;But seriously lolz on Bugzilla: "It seems that eventually by fixing this non-bug a REAL BUG has now been created: forcing the ASK_BEFORE_ACCEPT like ACCEPT_NORMALLY (see comment 19 above by M Hamdy) results in allowing, e.g., google.com to install a cookie even if google.com is set to be blocked in the list of exceptions." 1396923;1454641491;asciilifeform;mozilla is ~ as interesting at this point as ms exploder. 1396924;1454641561;asciilifeform;in mostly unrelated news, i finally got a new pair of opterons. 1396925;1454641569;asciilifeform;'new' that is. circa '08. 1396926;1454641628;asciilifeform;they were apparently $3K ~each~ when new. which is surreal. 1396927;1454641653;asciilifeform;(today - ~fiddybux/ea.) 1396928;1454642005;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1396929;1454642028;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Got a good link on Mozilla selling their vulns? 1396930;1454642036;asciilifeform;nope. 1396931;1454642044;asciilifeform;only the cobwebbed recesses of my cranium. 1396932;1454642062;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu when he wakes up. 1396933;1454642148;BingoBoingo;Alright 1396934;1454642696;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396843 << tmsr is not a place! or what, freemasons were also a place ? 1396935;1454642696;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? >> this is what i've been saying re tmsr for a while nao. finally dawned ? 1396936;1454642704;asciilifeform;wake me up when i can physically move into it. 1396937;1454642713;asciilifeform;until then it is a thing-other-than-a-place. 1396938;1454642809;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396844 << actually yes ! note how mircea_popescu successfully lives there! (he carries a portable timewarp generator, it is in his waistcoat) 1396939;1454642809;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 23:40:10; kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are? 1396940;1454642829;asciilifeform;i would like to move to the past, but i do not have the correct waistcoat, it seems. 1396941;1454643450;deedbot-;[Qntra] Last Actual Mozilla Feature Removed - http://qntra.net/2016/02/last-actual-mozilla-feature-removed/ 1396942;1454644927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00056197 = 6.1817 BTC [-] 1396943;1454645317;BingoBoingo;!up ieephm 1396944;1454645336;BingoBoingo;On the things classic trilema links to http://www.wngd.org/ 1396945;1454645337;assbot;World Naked Gardening Day (WNGD) - First Saturday of May! ... ( http://bit.ly/1T1Aqrs ) 1396946;1454645597;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1396947;1454645641;BingoBoingo;linked from http://trilema.com/2013/practical-spring-planting/ 1396948;1454645642;assbot;Practical spring planting on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T1AZ4u ) 1396949;1454645684;mircea_popescu;aha. 1396950;1454645717;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1396951;1454645727;felipelalli;New article about the importance of Bitcoin OTC WoT: https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/ - have fun! :) 1396952;1454645729;assbot;A importância do Bitcoin OTC WoT | Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1T1BbAF ) 1396953;1454645740;felipelalli;(I hope translate it to English in future) 1396954;1454645746;felipelalli;sorry about the Portuguese 1396955;1454645759;mircea_popescu;what's a yeppuda ? 1396956;1454645795;felipelalli;yeppuda is "beautiful" in Korean 1396957;1454645804;mircea_popescu;oic. 1396958;1454645804;felipelalli;or "you're beautiful", something like that 1396959;1454645813;felipelalli;I had to learn that when I was living in Australia! :) 1396960;1454645824;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396903 << quite. 1396961;1454645824;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 02:50:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 's-boxes' etc are the voodoo paraphernalia of the block-ciphration field, which was from its very beginning and to this day 100% hokum 1396962;1454645825;danielpbarron;>> A couple of kettles served them well for many years, but when rust finally overcame them, the only replacements they could fashion came from birch bark. << /me thinks of leaky treebark flasks 1396963;1454645879;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, thank you to being the main source of this article! Thanks to have produced good contents about the subject. 1396964;1454645962;mircea_popescu;sure. 1396965;1454645975;felipelalli;(I have to go now, I'll read the feedback later, if any) good bye! :) 1396966;1454646020;mircea_popescu;"dedico este artigo aos meu amigos Douglas Castro e Bingo Boingo" check it out bb you're also famous. 1396967;1454646044;mircea_popescu;Formal neste artigo todo no significa papelada ou burocracia, mas se refere formalidade matemtica, aquela evidncia que pode ser matematicamente comprovada (atravs de assinaturas digitais criptogrficas, por exemplo). << :D 1396968;1454646049;mircea_popescu;i love local color items like that. 1396969;1454646082;BingoBoingo;lol 1396970;1454646118;BingoBoingo;I love being famous 1396971;1454646120;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, ahhah 1396972;1454646202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396932 << in was in the snowden pile. 1396973;1454646202;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 03:14:22; asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu when he wakes up. 1396974;1454646242;BingoBoingo;Ah 1396975;1454646353;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396934 << in what sense is "veneta" a place, and for that matter what is "place" mean today ? i don't live in fucking "argentina", the byproduct of the inept hallucination of a bunch of retarded soy farmers. 1396976;1454646353;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 03:24:56; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396843 << tmsr is not a place! or what, freemasons were also a place ? 1396977;1454646381;mircea_popescu;no place exists other than in the imagination ; and some imaginations really dun matter. for all anyone cares we live on fucking buyan 1396978;1454646883;mircea_popescu;and in today's weird news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8ddb5134dc3201052535413fe1ba7b9a/tumblr_nqo8kxUL3I1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg 1396979;1454646883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T1Dbcj ) 1396980;1454650051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00056194 = 23.0676 BTC [-] 1396981;1454652076;trinque;deedbot- can again happily fart transactions (into trb!!) 1396982;1454652198;BingoBoingo;sweet 1396983;1454652199;*;ben_vulpes is pleased 1396984;1454652223;*;ben_vulpes did nothing 1396985;1454652260;trinque;still working on the upload step, which may require altering or adding an RPC. gettransaction just tells number of confirmations, not what blockheight that was, and it's not as though I can call two RPC transactionally 1396986;1454652314;ben_vulpes;i see you over there 1396987;1454652319;ben_vulpes;thinking about databases 1396988;1454652340;ben_vulpes;having expectations of the poor turd 1396989;1454652404;trinque;perhaps after shiva has destroyed the old world and created a new one 1396990;1454652513;trinque;big thanks to funkenstein for his importprivkey backport patch 1396991;1454652566;trinque;maybe consider regrinding and resubmitting that one 1396992;1454653223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00057008 = 15.9052 BTC [+] {2} 1396993;1454656578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00057009 = 2.7079 BTC [+] 1396994;1454662332;punkman; on this week's theme of provable crypto, here is Koblitz making derps all butthurt http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2007/08/koblitz-controversy-reaction.html 1396995;1454662334;assbot;Computational Complexity: The Koblitz Controversy: A reaction ... ( http://bit.ly/1PEqphu ) 1396996;1454662334;punkman;http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~oded/on-pmc.html 1396997;1454662335;assbot;On Post-Modern Cryptography (essay) ... ( http://bit.ly/1PEqphA ) 1396998;1454662350;punkman;http://in-theory.blogspot.gr/2007_08_26_archive.html 1396999;1454662351;assbot;in theory: 2007-08-26 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PEqnq7 ) 1397000;1454663349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00056955 = 10.3658 BTC [-] {2} 1397001;1454664203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056164 = 8.5931 BTC [-] {2} 1397002;1454672011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26148 @ 0.00056164 = 14.6858 BTC [-] 1397003;1454673536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10885 @ 0.00055961 = 6.0914 BTC [-] {3} 1397004;1454673990;punkman;https://keybase.io/introducing-the-keybase-filesystem 1397005;1454673992;assbot;Introducing the Keybase filesystem ... ( http://bit.ly/1TIsDhI ) 1397006;1454676342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.000555 = 3.0803 BTC [-] 1397007;1454677652;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397004 << in keeping with the principle that there must eventually appear a heathen perversion for each thing in tmsr. 1397008;1454677652;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 12:06:30; punkman: https://keybase.io/introducing-the-keybase-filesystem 1397009;1454677676;asciilifeform;(there are at least two deliberately bastardized wots, for instance) 1397010;1454677751;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396994 << koblitz was not only correct, but see also other honest folk, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2014#728963 1397011;1454677751;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 08:52:12; punkman: on this week's theme of provable crypto, here is Koblitz making derps all butthurt http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2007/08/koblitz-controversy-reaction.html 1397012;1454677751;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2014 17:22:35; asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.' 1397013;1454677758;asciilifeform;^ mark tarver 1397014;1454677845;asciilifeform;or moldbug's mega-classic, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1279929 1397015;1454677845;assbot;Logged on 20-09-2015 00:07:08; asciilifeform: (from the mega-classic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html ) 1397016;1454677849;punkman;asciilifeform: a heathen perversion for each thing in tmsr. << which thing, g? 1397017;1454677892;asciilifeform;looks more like a very misunderstood v 1397018;1454677924;asciilifeform;back to koblitz thread, i actually met gasarch, he taught (still teaches??) at my old school 1397019;1454677930;asciilifeform;seemed like a decent fella 1397020;1454677945;asciilifeform;but koblitz attacked his meal ticket, yes 1397021;1454677996;asciilifeform;k's essay was really about 'fits in head' 1397022;1454678027;asciilifeform;and, on the other side, the ludicrous, when seen from outside, deluge of pseudomathematical claptrap that now passes for 'computer science research' 1397023;1454678098;asciilifeform;this hammer hit me in the face the first time around (as a young man, when i had notions of actually making a living in that field, and recoiled in disgust, having encountered something quite similar to what is described in tarver's and moldbug's essays) 1397024;1454678105;asciilifeform;the second time, just recently 1397025;1454678115;asciilifeform;i took an interest in 'provably hard' crypto 1397026;1454678122;asciilifeform;and found... the thing that koblitz describes 1397027;1454678167;asciilifeform;there is no 'provably hard' ~anything~ available, the WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING FIELD is, as far as the eye can see, pseudomathematical turdmeistery 1397028;1454678194;asciilifeform;the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn. 1397029;1454678243;asciilifeform;millions of mediocrities collectively bukkakeing onto paper. 1397030;1454678289;asciilifeform;on the bright side, in the ancient comment threads, we find the inevitable articulate crackpot! : 1397031;1454678291;asciilifeform;http://mybiasedcoin.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-mathematicians-view-computer.html?showComment=1189170960000#c5322431910783198900 1397032;1454678292;assbot;My Biased Coin: How Mathematicians View Computer Science? ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgBrI ) 1397033;1454678318;asciilifeform;Anonymous said... 'NSA began to remove public key crypto implementations from weapons in about 1991. Sandia cryptographer Gus Simmons suggested to NSA and Sandia that NSA replace the shift register-based Benincasa algorithm in the ctbt data authenticator with public key. I was ordered by my supervior, Dr John Holovka [chemist] to explain what Simmons was talking about. http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/mcconnell/pacer/Pa 1397034;1454678319;assbot;404 (Page Not Found) Error - Ever feel like you're in the wrong place? ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgCvP ) 1397035;1454678319;asciilifeform;yne%20Tutors%20RSA%20and%20NSA.htm While I was project leader of the missile secure cryptographic unit in the 1980, NSA cryptographer Brian Snow gave some of us Sandians a lecture on NSA crypto units. Snow showed actual devices and schematics. Snow also commented on field failures. NSA algoritms I saw were based on shift register and combinatoric algorithms. 1397036;1454678329;asciilifeform;regards http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvoid/dcvoid.htm#feehan3 http://www.alineshat.com/PDF/Nojeh-LawSuit-Doc.pdf My interests these day are in peak energy. Please check to see if my differentiation are correct or not! http://www.prosefights.org/pnmelectric/pnmelectric.htm#normaldistribution' 1397037;1454678332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgGeT ) 1397038;1454678336;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgGvm ) 1397039;1454678336;asciilifeform;^ whole thing, for posterity. 1397040;1454678373;asciilifeform;and guess what: we find: http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvoid/dcvoid.htm 1397041;1454678375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgMTK ) 1397042;1454678380;asciilifeform;this is a 'rule of law' crackpot! 1397043;1454678382;asciilifeform;quite prolific 1397044;1454678399;asciilifeform;actually thinks that usa runs, or ever did run, on laws! 'same for all' (tm) ! 1397045;1454678486;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9U4Yu << now archived. 1397046;1454678487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23NgZq8 ) 1397047;1454678534;asciilifeform;quite lulzy: schmuck spent years trying to put, e.g., Brzezinski, in jail 1397048;1454678547;asciilifeform;filing complaints left and right 1397049;1454678575;asciilifeform;and was so very confused, when u.s. federal judges would inevitably and inexplicably 'lose' his complaints 1397050;1454678582;asciilifeform;or remand them to the court of the rubbish bin 1397051;1454678624;asciilifeform;'Without this technology our legal project would fail. The feds usually win. Let's see what happens.' 1397052;1454678639;asciilifeform;Wednesday November 7, 2007 09:26. 1397053;1454678833;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/jya/whp122397.htm << mega-l0ltr0n 1397054;1454678834;assbot;Payne and Morales v. Minihan ... ( http://bit.ly/1PaZzMu ) 1397055;1454678842;asciilifeform;sued nsa. 1397056;1454678843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33278 @ 0.00055425 = 18.4443 BTC [-] {2} 1397057;1454678901;asciilifeform;^ re: the 'Benincasa's algorithm' thing. 1397058;1454678904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00055353 = 1.5621 BTC [-] 1397059;1454679057;asciilifeform;many lulz, such as, 1397060;1454679057;asciilifeform;'Iran demonstrated its suspicion about the source of the leaks, when it arrested Hans Buehler, a top salesman for Crypto AG, in Teheran on March 18, 1992. During his nine and a half months of solitary confinement in Evin prison in Teheran, Buehler was questioned again and again whether he had leaked Teheran's codes or Libya's keys to Western powers. Luckily Buehler didn't know anything. He in fact believed in his own sales 1397061;1454679057;asciilifeform; pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions.' 1397062;1454679231;asciilifeform;'it cost $300,000 per nuclear bomb to recall bombs to Pantex to remove and repair Sandia's failing semiconductor chips.' 1397063;1454679237;asciilifeform;mega-l0ltr0n, whole thing worth reading. 1397064;1454679245;*;asciilifeform bbl 1397065;1454680246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.0005541 = 14.1573 BTC [+] {2} 1397066;1454680709;mircea_popescu;in morning woods, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8def7f5fbee3449d42c17f912c5b3632/tumblr_nr0vohpr6T1rdc5oto1_1280.jpg 1397067;1454680710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxjucL ) 1397068;1454680773;mircea_popescu;"Alpha releases of the Keybase app are starting to come with a cryptographically secure file mount. It is brand new. And very different." da fuck is this shit. 1397069;1454680795;mircea_popescu;"Public, signed directories for everyone in the world You can now write data in a very special place: /keybase/public/yourname" 1397070;1454680838;mircea_popescu;i wish the idiot circuit would write their release document as to be meaningful to people rather than appealing to goats. da fuck am i going to read out of that windows950-esque screenshot other than "hey, windows 95!" 1397071;1454680854;mircea_popescu;"Every file you write in there is signed. There's no manual signing process, no taring or gzipping, no detached sigs. Instead, everything in this folder appears as plaintext files on everyone's computers. You can even open /keybase/public/yourname in your Finder or Explorer and drag things in." 1397072;1454680858;mircea_popescu;omfg. 1397073;1454680993;mircea_popescu;who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.") 1397074;1454681084;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397028 << quite. 1397075;1454681084;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 13:16:34; asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn. 1397076;1454681133;mircea_popescu;and to turdcherry the shitcake, all these nobodies on a stick run around spewing wholly delusional notions of expertise and amateurship. just don't ask them to put it to any sort of actual test. 1397077;1454681219;mircea_popescu;ahh, such the reading list in log this morn. nice. 1397078;1454681371;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397029 << understand, a fucking field where something as commonplace as differential cryptanalysis is "classified"... every SINGLE FUCKING PERSON of human composition to ever EVEN CONSIDER the matter came up with differential cryptanalisis within the fucking day. because what the everloving fuck. as a 10yo playing with 10yo girls i came up with it. just how fucking hard c 1397079;1454681371;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 13:17:23; asciilifeform: millions of mediocrities collectively bukkakeing onto paper. 1397080;1454681371;mircea_popescu;an it be already. 1397081;1454681422;mircea_popescu;then someone discovered every other year and they had to run around strongarming ibm and whatnot to not explain why the fuck the sboxen must be diddled just-so. 1397082;1454681515;mircea_popescu;there's this very strong undercurrent of farmer mind fighting against the complexity of the world through denial and fetish worship, if you look at it. WHY must entirely banal approach be secret ? perhaps for the same exact reason children playing spontaneously errupt in "it's not fair like that", to fix the necessarily broken rules of the GAME they are playing so it's playable a little longer ? 1397083;1454681602;mircea_popescu;could it be that the only way lowbrow pigborn with delusions of centrality and leadership could continue pretending like he has "a good handle" on things with his schemes derived on looseleaf papers, ever so similar in contents and consistency to the ever-genius schemes of the broke if consummate las vegas gambler, horse race expert etc ? 1397084;1454681631;mircea_popescu;the whole field is essentially a commune of technicians trying to run a factory. because the last time they saw a scientist or an engineer they were about 5 and one visited the zoo. 1397085;1454681747;mircea_popescu;(and for the record, for they of anthropological curiosities - there's an entire cvasi-science in the notes of technicians running the early infrastructure of hte industrial revolution. it's a shocking if fascinating mix of all sorts of things.) 1397086;1454681790;mircea_popescu;reads more or less exactly like modern crypto. 1397087;1454682320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28215 @ 0.00055788 = 15.7406 BTC [+] 1397088;1454682381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22902 @ 0.00056124 = 12.8535 BTC [+] 1397089;1454685126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34137 @ 0.00055821 = 19.0556 BTC [-] 1397090;1454685801;mats;http://www.local8now.com/content/news/First-woman-in-Tennessee-to-enlist-as-combat-engineer-goes-AWOL-367601961.html 1397091;1454685804;assbot;First woman in Tennessee to enlist as combat engineer goes AWOL ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRPcEF ) 1397092;1454686113;mats;I don't understand this push to get women into combat units 1397093;1454686149;mats;backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11' 1397094;1454686175;trinque;http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2016/02/02/army-marines-women-combat-jobs-draft/79695978/ 1397095;1454686178;assbot;Military leaders: Register women for draft ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRQ2RV ) 1397096;1454686213;mats;what, people forgot modern combat loads are maiming a nontrivial percentage of dudes that deploy for nine months? 1397097;1454686229;mats;when they are fucking ~mounted~ 1397098;1454686557;trinque;mats: just the cancerous notion of equality working its way through 1397099;1454686565;trinque;why make ISIS come here for our women when we can just hand them over 1397100;1454686790;mats;a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire 1397101;1454686871;mats;exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do. 1397102;1454686886;trinque;yeah, I can see that 1397103;1454687017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16128 @ 0.00056735 = 9.1502 BTC [+] 1397104;1454687036;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1397105;1454687070;mats;if your dumb ass gets shot, you're going to get ignored until its convenient for the unit to treat you 1397106;1454687083;mats;killing the enemy is the first priority, always 1397107;1454687141;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397100 << EXACTLY what they want 1397108;1454687141;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 15:39:50; mats: a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire 1397109;1454687158;ascii_butugychag;see, modern us army is, among other things, a machine for making female brass 1397110;1454687172;ascii_butugychag;and right now aspiring brass have problems securing promotion because 'no combat experience' 1397111;1454687200;mats;yes 1397112;1454687210;ascii_butugychag;so yes, mats gets to die gallantly so a butch lesbian can captain a carrier 1397113;1454687228;thestringpuller;mega-l0l 1397114;1454687234;mats;in an alternative timeline 1397115;1454687247;ascii_butugychag;what was that wheelchair chick's name, i forget. 1397116;1454687260;ascii_butugychag;lynch 1397117;1454687366;mats;never even fired her weapon in contact 1397118;1454687368;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397073 << whole point 1397119;1454687368;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 14:03:13; mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.") 1397120;1454687372;ascii_butugychag;mats: aha 1397121;1454687375;mats;too cute to be pow 1397122;1454687417;ascii_butugychag;how many died to save her 1397123;1454687419;ascii_butugychag;whole platoon ? 1397124;1454687424;thestringpuller;they put that chick in an episode of scandal as herself 1397125;1454687438;thestringpuller;jessica lynch is pop culture now. 1397126;1454687439;mats;god forbid americans see what real war is like, a white woman being gangraped by goatherders 1397127;1454687502;ascii_butugychag;hell, more often by own side. 1397128;1454687672;thestringpuller;!s http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-8105/nistir_8105_draft.pdf 1397129;1454687673;assbot;0 results for 'http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-8105/nistir_8105_draft.pdf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fcsrc.nist.gov%2Fpublications%2Fdrafts%2Fnistir-8105%2Fnistir_8105_draft.pdf 1397130;1454687697;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: some more snorefest fodder for you 1397131;1454687770;mircea_popescu;mats> backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11' <<< israelis do it just fine BECAUSE it is mandatory. 1397132;1454687790;mircea_popescu;women, like it or not, deliver much more/better in situations of lower optionality. 1397133;1454687825;thestringpuller;women in mossad are scary for that reason. 1397134;1454687825;punkman;http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/trends/france-pa7ve-1000km-ro7ad-so7lar-panel7s/ 1397135;1454687827;assbot;GCR - Trends - France to pave 1,000km of road with solar panels ... ( http://bit.ly/1nM5cr4 ) 1397136;1454687849;mats;and when woman has to hump 120lbs up mountain, down, back up again in 24h? 1397137;1454687853;punkman;solar freakin roadways! strikes again 1397138;1454687868;ascii_butugychag;mats: she doesn't have to. ~you~ will carry her pack. 1397139;1454687872;mircea_popescu;actually this isn't even a terrible idea. 1397140;1454687934;mircea_popescu;not in the sense of "let's embed current, fragile solar panels into roads", but in the opposite sense : we're currently creating this surface out of basically refined scum, which we keep clean all year round. could there be some shit embedded so at least it powers the traffic signals ? 1397141;1454687985;mats;ascii_butugychag: as I recall, only a handful died taking the hospital 1397142;1454688007;mircea_popescu;something like "if you add this sort of gravel at 5.45% instead of normal gravel, you have an optimal chance of some of the cells connecting and powering hte side rail. because no, it's not gravel per se." 1397143;1454688085;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> hell, more often by own side. <<< own side can't usually be bothered. goatherder females much juicier. 1397144;1454688233;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: reminds of the boondocks: "I was looking for bitches, but they had they carpet shit all over them and I couldn’t see what they look like. All that was really exposed was they eyes. And that wasn’t enough for me ‘cause you know, shit I’m lookin at they eyes and they eyes could be pretty and I take off their carpet… and then I got a tragedy." 1397145;1454688362;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the lawsuit crackpot linked earlier was, imho, pure gold. he was genuinely convinced that rule-of-law was a thing! and kept picking, picking at the cracks in it, utterly mystified that every single judge 'lost' his papers, etc 1397146;1454688368;ascii_butugychag;i'm kinda surprised they never had him shot 1397147;1454688386;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag he should have documented it better. 1397148;1454688390;ascii_butugychag;then again, his last post was dated '07 1397149;1454688391;PeterL;if I have more than one key in gpg, is there a way to tell it which one to use for signing stuff? 1397150;1454688399;mircea_popescu;in random other lulz, http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116438 1397151;1454688400;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuPtat ) 1397152;1454688417;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes either set it up as default or specify it in command line. see manpage. 1397153;1454688434;ascii_butugychag;^ glorious 1397154;1454688457;ascii_butugychag;incidentally the nist turd linked earlier was pure gold 1397155;1454688466;ascii_butugychag;usg is really getting desperate to get folks off rsa 1397156;1454688519;mircea_popescu;nsa WITH A WORKING BLOCK CIPHER ends the game. 1397157;1454688568;mats;what 'ends the game' 1397158;1454688592;mats;oh, s.nsa 1397159;1454688624;mircea_popescu;lol 1397160;1454688642;ascii_butugychag;which game ? 1397161;1454688653;ascii_butugychag;the one usg is playing is about asymmetric crypto, mainly 1397162;1454688687;ascii_butugychag;or, more correctly speaking, the prevention thereof. 1397163;1454688800;mircea_popescu;"What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. " 1397164;1454688801;mircea_popescu;heh.\ 1397165;1454688847;mircea_popescu;ahh this is fucking epic. 1397166;1454688848;mircea_popescu;"What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. I see him invited to give talks at many venues, but never see anyone invited to present a counter-argument. (For that matter, I don't see invited speakers at cryptography conferences poking fun at the cryptographic work that mathematicians do.) This does not matter so much when Koblitz speaks at a TCS-venue (any intelligent cry 1397167;1454688849;mircea_popescu;ptographer knows that his arguments are overblown), but I think it matters greatly when he speaks in front of an "outside" audience. 1397168;1454688849;mircea_popescu;For this reason, I thought publication of his article in the Notices of the AMS was inexcusable. Even worse, this latest incarnation of his essay goes beyond being a mere "academic" argument and degenerates to name-calling and belittlement of an entire field and all the people who work in it. (And it seems pretty clear that his feelings extend beyond crypto to CS at large.) 1397169;1454688853;mircea_popescu;As promised, I have written a letter of complaint to the editors of the Notices. I don't know if it will get published (it is also a bit long), but it is available here (pdf) or here (ps) " 1397170;1454688870;mircea_popescu;prepare for a fucking wave of that as an entire construction of circular shiteating is getting unwound. 1397171;1454688885;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: so netsec d00d here (who isn't a real cryptographer by any means) linked this >> https://gist.github.com/tqbf/be58d2d39690c3b366ad in relation to "not using RSA" for reasons XYZ 1397172;1454688898;thestringpuller;"Here are several reasons you should stop using RSA and switch to elliptic curve software:" 1397173;1454688903;mircea_popescu;"Anonymous7:04 PM, August 31, 2007 The minute TCS becomes the mature mathematical discipline that you are dreaming of, I am out of the game." << and guess where anon works. 1397174;1454688952;mircea_popescu;"1. My conjecture: all scientific areas do have the "incremental results" problem. Does any one have any data supporting the hypothesis that CS (or TCS) has a higher percentage of "incremental results" published in respectable journals/conferences? If not, Koblitz' criticism is only as valid as "there are few women in CS," which though correct is hardly CS' own problem. 1397175;1454688952;mircea_popescu;2. As someone pointed out in a comment from My Biased Coin blog, is "incremental results" such a bad thing for the advancement of science that one has to "criticize" in the manner that Koblitz did? As far as I can tell, the great Euler published quite a few "incremental results."" 1397176;1454688956;mircea_popescu;ahahah o god the butthurt. 1397177;1454688988;mircea_popescu;motherfucker - euler figured out how to sum integers to infinity while he was a teen. where the fuck is YOUR early work that you can incremental upon 1397178;1454689015;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag thanks for those sweet, sweet delicious butthurt tears. made my morn. 1397179;1454689088;mircea_popescu;"Actually, mathematics does have a "fast publication cycle" alternative -- which is to put papers on the arXiv. This works very well in practice, and in fact a morning ritual of most research mathematicians is to browse the arXiv mailing form the night before in his/her area. After a few months in the arXiv, hopefully generating some useful comments and criticisms, the paper would finally be submitted to a journal. " < 1397180;1454689089;mircea_popescu;< we have the b-a log, it works barely. 1397181;1454689100;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1397182;1454689108;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the lulz are circa '07 1397183;1454689124;mircea_popescu;"This essay relates to a recent article of Koblitz & Menezes (Cryptology ePrint Report 2004/152) that ``criticizes several typical `provable security' results'' and argues that the ``theorem-proof paradigm of theoretical mathematics is often of limited relevance'' to cryptography. Although it should be obvious that these claims are utterly wrong, we undertake articulating this triviality. In particular, we point out so 1397184;1454689124;mircea_popescu;me of the fundamental philosophical flaws that underly the said article and some of its misconceptions regarding theoretical research in Cryptography in the last quarter of a century." 1397185;1454689131;mircea_popescu;"and this is ok, because we are philosophers nao". 1397186;1454689148;ascii_butugychag;they are saying: 'fuck you, WE ARE the field' 1397187;1454689152;ascii_butugychag;and they aren't wrong about this. 1397188;1454689160;ascii_butugychag;lysenko - won, here. 1397189;1454689174;mircea_popescu;this is sorta like bureaucrat in collapsing empire scenario, gets bitchslapped by gangster, goes into I AM JUDGE !!!11 mode. 1397190;1454689180;mircea_popescu;no bitch, you're an accountant. shut up and eat it. 1397191;1454689219;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag they are no such thing. notice that when i want something, i squarely ignore their field as per http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ and so on. 1397192;1454689220;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE ) 1397193;1454689274;mircea_popescu;" In general, we believe that rigorous analysis is, by far, the best way to study reality. Moreover, in the case of cryptography, this general principle is more important than in any other discipline." <<< check out mathematiphilosophician, discovered an inequality! 1397194;1454689284;mircea_popescu;"x is the largest number, and in particular y is larger than x!" 1397195;1454689287;PeterL;deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ec477280-6973-427b-a828-ca7f5248ea63/?raw=true 1397196;1454689289;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nM9rTH ) 1397197;1454689296;ascii_butugychag;does mircea_popescu recall the eotvos thread ? 1397198;1454689301;mircea_popescu;aha. 1397199;1454689313;ascii_butugychag;can ignore pissants, but cannot conjure a honest research community into existence. 1397200;1454689323;mircea_popescu;that shit could be straight out of voltaire however. 1397201;1454689344;mircea_popescu;the exact phrase, "in general X and in y especially so X" has been in use since at least the late middle ages. 1397202;1454689359;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag but the pissants have NOTHING TO DO with honest community either way. 1397203;1454689366;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: they are scar tissue. 1397204;1454689367;mircea_popescu;yes not fucking ugly women won't conjure pretty ones up. so ? 1397205;1454689395;mircea_popescu;your very cosmic idea of the world is inadequate in my eyes. nobody said that there is ONE playing field, and if there were one, that the pissants'd see it. 1397206;1454689433;mircea_popescu;in general, there isn't one. in the rare cases when human genius couples with dilligence and creates a SINGLE playing field, the pissants are unaware - generally deliberately. 1397207;1454689463;mircea_popescu;"The foregoing assertion is based on the realization that cryptography is focused on adversarial behavior" 1397208;1454689473;mircea_popescu;i can't read this inept shit. who writes liek this ?! 1397209;1454689478;ascii_butugychag;guess who ! 1397210;1454689487;ascii_butugychag;!s speak with one voice 1397211;1454689488;assbot;2 results for 'speak with one voice' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=speak+with+one+voice 1397212;1454689504;mircea_popescu;well, a copywriter who found himself locked in a "math teaching" job, like that girl in my class i recounted the story of. 1397213;1454689601;PeterL;deedbot- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ec477280-6973-427b-a828-ca7f5248ea63/?raw=true 1397214;1454689602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nM9rTH ) 1397215;1454689608;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1397216;1454689631;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: there is not a single unified 'playing field', no. what there is, is a torch carried by maybe 3-5 people at a time. ever. 1397217;1454689642;mircea_popescu;ever, pre-crypto, v, and all that. 1397218;1454689658;mircea_popescu;in this sense there was no literacy pre books, either. this is not a property of the world. 1397219;1454689665;punkman;PeterL, why does that sig look so short? 1397220;1454689676;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: familiar with http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu ? 1397221;1454689712;PeterL;hmm, dunno? 1397222;1454689714;mircea_popescu;looks like a sort of what is it, erdos number hackathon ? 1397223;1454689727;mircea_popescu;PeterL is your key 1kb or somesuch? 1397224;1454689748;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: nonono 1397225;1454689750;PeterL;4096? 1397226;1454689759;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it's their try at... vtronics 1397227;1454689760;ascii_butugychag;sorta. 1397228;1454689763;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag take the first thing that came to my eyes. so dedekind and fourier are ENTIRELY separate nodes ? you swear to this ? 1397229;1454689777;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the thing is only as good as the record 1397230;1454689784;mircea_popescu;there isn't a woman anywhere they waited to take turns on, they never waited on each other to return books to library, nothing, vacuum ? 1397231;1454689789;mircea_popescu;the thing is as good as pressed shit. 1397232;1454689797;ascii_butugychag;i did not say it was good ! 1397233;1454689801;ascii_butugychag;just that it was sitting there. 1397234;1454689803;mircea_popescu;ok. 1397235;1454689815;ascii_butugychag;'ugly chick' 1397236;1454689826;mircea_popescu;to answer the original q : i am vaguely familiar a bunch of different such schemes were entertained by people with varying degrees of competence. 1397237;1454689838;mircea_popescu;but not familiar with this one in particular. 1397238;1454689866;ascii_butugychag;pretty complete re: modern folk 1397239;1454689872;ascii_butugychag;e.g., brin the elder, is in there 1397240;1454689882;ascii_butugychag;and the man he apprenticed under, and so on 1397241;1454689940;*;mircea_popescu was looking for the easy "no, one was born a year after the other died", but neway. 1397242;1454689985;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1397243;1454690036;mircea_popescu;had an entire "point still stands" thing prepared, but i guess not needed now! 1397244;1454690039;PeterL;bah, It is a 1042 size key, with a 4096 sub 1397245;1454690051;mircea_popescu;you are a noob. 1397246;1454690058;PeterL;yes :( 1397247;1454690064;ascii_butugychag;wat 1397248;1454690078;mircea_popescu;make a proper new key an' obsolete the old one for safeties. 1397249;1454690093;mircea_popescu;besides, it'll teach you how to correctly obsolete keys so you don't need them to expire anymore. 1397250;1454690112;PeterL;what is proper way to obsolete old keys? 1397251;1454690138;mircea_popescu;use the old one to certify the new one in all instances you care about, sign a dead key notice with the old one, drop it in the sea. 1397252;1454690140;mircea_popescu;in that order. 1397253;1454690155;ascii_butugychag;dead key notice in the human sense ? 1397254;1454690160;ascii_butugychag;or the idiot pgp revocation cert sense 1397255;1454690165;mircea_popescu;in whatever sense he desires. 1397256;1454690171;mircea_popescu;when in doubt, both. 1397257;1454690219;mircea_popescu;"The CRYPTO community's typesetting abilities are not spared, nor is Oded Goldreich's spelling." ahaha. 1397258;1454690269;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag who's "in theory" blogshit, http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~luca/cs276/ ? 1397259;1454690270;assbot;Luca Trevisan | Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1nMc2gq ) 1397260;1454690353;ascii_butugychag;wats this 1397261;1454690361;ascii_butugychag;looks like some intro to crypto uni course 1397262;1454690380;mircea_popescu;http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gasarch/BLOGPAPERS/koblitz.pdf <<< ahaha is this our friend the drastically inept if wildly agitated katz ? 1397263;1454690381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nMcjji ) 1397264;1454690394;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag luca trevisan, crypto guy 1397265;1454690439;mircea_popescu;dude, the redditards should make a bitcoin academia. with stolfi, katz and bogawan what's his face. 1397266;1454690440;mircea_popescu;would be epic. 1397267;1454690481;*;ascii_butugychag met katz 1397268;1454690502;ascii_butugychag;and l0l, seem like he still works there 1397269;1454690516;ascii_butugychag;https://www.cs.umd.edu/~jkatz 1397270;1454690518;assbot;Error | UMD Department of Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1nMcFGK ) 1397271;1454690523;ascii_butugychag;pgp key returns 404... 1397272;1454690558;mircea_popescu;there is little better to do with one's time than mockfully torture The People Who Would Want. 1397273;1454690563;mircea_popescu;they're a special breed. 1397274;1454690590;mircea_popescu;"Well, Steven Rudich has fewer than 30 publications if you discount double-copies of conference/journal publications ("http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/db/indices/a-tree/r/Rudich:Steven.html"), but he just won this years Godel Prize, so I think that qualifies him as a "top researcher". 1397275;1454690591;mircea_popescu;Is Rudich actually an active researcher?" 1397276;1454690618;mircea_popescu;admire the union mentality. "this woman is really hot, all the men want her" "yes but does she show up regularly at the female equality club ^H^H^H^H^H church ?" 1397277;1454690631;ascii_butugychag;see tarver's 'mozard vanishes' 1397278;1454690633;ascii_butugychag;*mozart 1397279;1454690638;mircea_popescu;you are only a REAL soviet if you spend your time wit hthe pravda and at the parades/meetings etc. 1397280;1454690667;ascii_butugychag;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2014#728963 1397281;1454690667;assbot;Logged on 22-06-2014 17:22:35; asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.' 1397282;1454690675;mircea_popescu;he can't be an "actually" thing because "actually" thing is given by participation in the official scheme to certify the reality of the delusions of the people that would want! 1397283;1454690732;mircea_popescu;and this analytical device works quite well. is trump an ACTUALLY incumbent ? 1397284;1454690741;mircea_popescu;"he never had a chance". o yeah ? why not ? 1397285;1454690763;mircea_popescu;it's i suspect the principal pipe through which the sheep that aren't exactly stupid transfer material from future back into the past. 1397286;1454690793;mircea_popescu;ancient history to it, too. "is this blessing good or not ?" "it's great. except if in the future things happen, in which case it WILL RETROACTIVELY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN A BLESSING!" 1397287;1454690857;mircea_popescu;this is like throwing away the summaries in confusion and reading the original tardstalk text plain just to see. i have the exact same feeling - these people are uniquely stupid. what the fuck did teh education do for them again ?! 1397288;1454690988;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1397289;1454691019;mircea_popescu;anyway, to not unwarrantedly attack a whole nominal group : there are sane people too. an example "Well, he also references Bacon's Novum Organum as justification for "rigorous analysis" in cryptography, by which he apparently means theorem/proof analysis. To my knowledge, that work essentially describes how to conduct empirical scientific experiments to gain knowledge, and does not support the claim that the former ki 1397290;1454691019;mircea_popescu;nd of analysis is the only acceptable methodology e.g. for cryptography, and that its results should be blindly adhered to as truth about the world especially when they contradict plain common sense, as K&M claim they do (not saying whether the latter is true or not, just that it doesn't address this)." 1397291;1454691024;mircea_popescu;anyway. enough of this wankery. 1397292;1454691047;ascii_butugychag;heroes hang when traitors triumph (tm) (r) 1397293;1454691067;mircea_popescu;let us instead http://41.media.tumblr.com/a7b0d71866907127b857fcdcb8ca1b31/tumblr_o1od4vTCF11qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1397294;1454691069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuXrAp ) 1397295;1454691265;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the folks in question are the 'unique brand of stupid' because this is ~MANDATORY~ if you want to make a living doing what they do. 1397296;1454691278;ascii_butugychag;i know this is hard to see from the dirigible. 1397297;1454692499;ascii_butugychag;ahahah this is just too good 1397298;1454692502;ascii_butugychag;'Without dissecting Koblitz’s arguments point-bypoint 1397299;1454692502;ascii_butugychag;(which I will be happy to do upon request of the editors), let me assure those readers that 1397300;1454692505;ascii_butugychag;proofs in modern cryptography are as meaningful as proofs in any other area of mathematics. Can 1397301;1454692508;ascii_butugychag;a scheme that has been proven secure still succumb to a real-world attack? Yes, but this does not 1397302;1454692511;ascii_butugychag;invalidate the proof. (A proof of security is always given with respect to a particular definition of 1397303;1454692514;ascii_butugychag;security; a given definition is not necessarily appropriate for all possible environments in which a 1397304;1454692517;ascii_butugychag;scheme may be deployed.) Are most (but not all!) results in cryptography conditional? Yes, but 1397305;1454692520;ascii_butugychag;this has also been shown to be inherent until the P vs. NP question (one of the seven “Millennium 1397306;1454692523;ascii_butugychag;Problems” of the Clay Mathematics Institute) is settled. Do mistakes happen? Occasionally, and 1397307;1454692526;ascii_butugychag;with more frequency then we might like. But this surely does not eradicate the importance of 1397308;1454692529;ascii_butugychag;having proofs in the first place.' 1397309;1454692533;ascii_butugychag;or better still 1397310;1454692534;ascii_butugychag;'...y, I have never been able to understand why any mathematician would discourage the 1397311;1454692538;ascii_butugychag;use of precise definitions, rigorous proofs, and formal reasoning in any field.' 1397312;1454693427;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396939 < this actually very much reminds me of 'midnight in paris' fallacy 1397313;1454693427;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 03:26:49; assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 23:40:10; kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are? 1397314;1454693483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00056639 = 4.871 BTC [-] 1397315;1454694910;PeterL;BingoBoingo from Mizzu article "unrest lead to the departure of several high level administrative departures from the University" << got an extra departure in there 1397316;1454694974;PeterL;btw, is it better to nitpick articles here or in their comment sections? 1397317;1454695428;mircea_popescu;;;google 'midnight in paris' fallacy 1397318;1454695429;gribble;Midnight in Paris: Learning to Live With the Past – The Frailest Thing: ; Midnight in Paris - Wikiquote: ; Woody Allen's movie “Midnight in Paris” explores “golden age fallacy”: > There definitely is a potential for safer currencies than bitcoin 1397455;1454710998;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1397456;1454711140;ascii_butugychag;'to the cow, farmer is a large cow' or how did it go 1397457;1454711189;danielpbarron;i imagine the memo to the astro-turfers went something like "go post comments on this slashdot thread, and use the keyword 'arrogant twat'" 1397458;1454711379;ascii_butugychag;i'm a bit surprised that nobody whined re: the most obvious boojum of mircea_popescu's contest - how will it be judged. 1397459;1454711402;ascii_butugychag;(~we~, i think, know how - but does the peanut gallery?) 1397460;1454711563;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW 1397461;1454711905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9029 @ 0.00055369 = 4.9993 BTC [-] 1397462;1454712103;BingoBoingo;!up imposter 1397463;1454712593;BingoBoingo;https://raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_info.php 1397464;1454712594;assbot;Raptor Engineering::Talos™ Secure Workstation ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQNcrx ) 1397465;1454712607;BingoBoingo;"Talos is the world's first ATX workstation-class mainboard for the new, open-source friendly IBM POWER8 processor and architecture." 1397466;1454713042;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1397467;1454713331;ascii_butugychag;' utilizes open-toolchain FPGAs' << this, i'd like to see 1397468;1454713414;ascii_butugychag;but no mention of who makes it, or where 1397469;1454713426;ascii_butugychag;(ibm certainly doesn't) 1397470;1454713487;BingoBoingo;Of course the thing is at the "pre-order" stage so who knows if it ever appears 1397471;1454713583;BingoBoingo;Or what "open-toolchain" means to them 1397472;1454713754;ascii_butugychag;also gotta love the 'free, open workstation' where the sole component supplier is ibm 1397473;1454713775;ascii_butugychag;if you want this - straight to ebay 1397474;1454713782;ascii_butugychag;buy all the 'power' arch boxen you want. 1397475;1454713798;ascii_butugychag;20+ years of vintage to choose from. 1397476;1454713805;ascii_butugychag;i'll pass. 1397477;1454714464;mircea_popescu;http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8713235&cid=51449791 <<< dude, check out all the people who don't care! 1397478;1454714465;assbot;Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L43U01 ) 1397479;1454714497;mircea_popescu;(courtesy BingoBoingo who by now is a total expert at bothering mayogenders) 1397480;1454714550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397344 <<< this is good for bitcoin. 1397481;1454714550;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 19:37:09; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 8 1397482;1454714575;ascii_butugychag;'Also, he awards bonus points for proofs of hardness. No one has managed to prove hardness for any existing block cipher. Block ciphers are simply ways to jumble the plaintext up in a reversible fashion. They are not based on difficult mathematical problems. 1397483;1454714581;ascii_butugychag;Proving hardness is something you do for asymmetrical ciphers, but asymmetrical ciphers are way too slow to be useful for actual messages.' 1397484;1454714589;ascii_butugychag;l0ltr0n1c 1397485;1454714612;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1397486;1454714614;ascii_butugychag;is there somewhere, i wonder, a perl script, that pastes this pediwikian claptrap in 1397487;1454714639;mircea_popescu;that's what you need "ordinary, decent, law abiding citizens" for. 1397488;1454714664;ascii_butugychag;bahahawat 1397489;1454714715;*;mircea_popescu lookes over at stats ; check that out, slashdotting counts for something like 2-3% of ordinary trilema traffic. 1397490;1454714723;mircea_popescu;I AM GETTING REALLY LONELY!!11 1397491;1454714747;mircea_popescu;ever since the previous spammer sold my site to the current one people ever give less and less of a shit! oh if only i could be friends with a rich guy like slashdot! 1397492;1454714756;ascii_butugychag;l0lz 1397493;1454714758;mircea_popescu;this was fun. 1397494;1454714775;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397344 << that'd be 9 but seems like bucephalus is blackholed 1397495;1454714775;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 19:37:09; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 8 1397496;1454714781;ascii_butugychag;for ~2 days now. 1397497;1454715001;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-chips-to-get-slower/#comment-45051 << dibs. 1397498;1454715002;assbot;Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/23OBWku ) 1397499;1454715075;mircea_popescu;and in other trottin' out whores news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f94d43d7284028537e591427b0a2f291/tumblr_nurxnsJcS81qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1397500;1454715076;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23OC2Zv ) 1397501;1454715130;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag never used socat ; don't care. 1397502;1454715150;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1397503;1454715161;mircea_popescu;"Socat said it has generated a new prime that is 2048 bits long" << clearly evil. 1397504;1454715165;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i had never even heard of it prior 1397505;1454715166;mircea_popescu;if they weren't they'd have made 4kb. 1397506;1454715204;mircea_popescu;While its unknown how Wang chose the prime, other commenters on the post said that checks in OpenSSL and other tools used to generate primes cannot be sure if the numbers are prime. Rieger told Threatpost: I do not know if a quick way exists to check this definitely. No attempts were made at all. << and we never heard of phuctor etc. 1397507;1454715213;ascii_butugychag;of course not 1397508;1454715222;ascii_butugychag;or, for that matter, of euclid 1397509;1454715239;mircea_popescu;"i do not know of a way to do math - i went to MIT" 1397510;1454715248;ascii_butugychag;!s feeling of power 1397511;1454715249;assbot;10 results for 'feeling of power' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=feeling+of+power 1397512;1454715300;mircea_popescu;"Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ? 1397513;1454715310;*;ascii_butugychag has been trying to detect 'signs of intelligent life' in the cryptological world, a very depressing exercise 1397514;1454715351;ascii_butugychag;the whole shebang is approx. as alive as... lenin 1397515;1454715360;ascii_butugychag;yes, there is a figure, from a distance. wax doll. 1397516;1454715490;mircea_popescu;i'll be honest with you : i actually prefer encountering scar tissue to actual people. i have many more toys for the former, that i wouldn't normally apply on humans. 1397517;1454715493;mircea_popescu;such as hot irons. 1397518;1454715502;mircea_popescu;what's it hurt the cheloid ? 1397519;1454715561;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu, i suppose, is a natural-born exterminator. whereas i see crushing, poisoning vermin as hard thankless work 1397520;1454715572;ascii_butugychag;and there are always more, more, more... of them. 1397521;1454715580;mircea_popescu;pain is a lot more honest emotion than pleasure. 1397522;1454715590;ascii_butugychag;now this is so. 1397523;1454715614;ascii_butugychag;or let's ask mr o, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281765 1397524;1454715614;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 01:22:33; asciilifeform: 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is sufferin 1397525;1454715644;mircea_popescu;complicated. 1397526;1454715743;ascii_butugychag;hm? 1397527;1454715762;mats;was this socat thing even rsa? 1397528;1454715769;mats;or ecc? 1397529;1454715808;ascii_butugychag;mats: dh 1397530;1454715922;BingoBoingo; "Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ? << Less than usual actually. 1397531;1454715993;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out, all the rotinculo that live off foodstamps know what a reward sum SHOULD have been. 1397532;1454716009;mircea_popescu;nm that i linked to djb's 500-1k typical rewards for the field to help them avoid stepping in that one. 1397533;1454716058;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, i don't recall usg paying out any prize at all for aes nomination 1397534;1454716079;ascii_butugychag;or is the magic spoodge of the fuhrer, reward enough. 1397535;1454716085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397460 << he has a point here. organised hallucination is hallucination. 1397536;1454716085;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 22:32:43; BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW 1397537;1454716097;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag ha! see above :D 1397538;1454716275;ascii_butugychag;i kinda wonder, how many of the folks barfing, could explain how, e.g., rsa, works, to save own life 1397539;1454716281;mircea_popescu;and speaking of social media, http://40.media.tumblr.com/67df9a526e3b44466d76e5685e9f5e75/tumblr_nocd50SYCK1ssvq9so1_1280.jpg 1397540;1454716283;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20f8dwr ) 1397541;1454716348;ascii_butugychag;(actually posing the question often produces many little 'bill gates'-en, who famously uttered a hope that one day 'science may discover a means of factoring large primes') 1397542;1454716385;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag honestly, i suspect a) all actual cryptography revolves around and ' pairs and b) rsa is the only one where = ' = multiplication. 1397543;1454716394;mircea_popescu;pure conjecture, but towards a unified theory of cryptography! 1397544;1454716518;mircea_popescu;hmm, apparently log doesn't see º 1397545;1454716522;mircea_popescu;am i the only one that sees it ? 1397546;1454716543;ascii_butugychag;possibly 1397547;1454716552;*;ascii_butugychag bbl 1397548;1454717238;BingoBoingo;21 years old https://i.imgur.com/WUfEizb.jpg 1397549;1454717239;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20f9Bzn ) 1397550;1454718189;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-chips-to-get-slower/#comment-45052 1397551;1454718190;assbot;Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Syp9iA ) 1397552;1454718859;punkman;ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu? 1397553;1454718870;punkman;Tyan has some boards for it 1397554;1454718933;punkman;http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/New-technology-Roadmap-webpage-2.png 1397555;1454718935;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SypXEa ) 1397556;1454719536;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no way chick on the left is 21. 1397557;1454719561;BingoBoingo;Y not? 1397558;1454719633;mircea_popescu;cuz she looks 34 to me ? 1397559;1454719708;mats;weather beaten features 1397560;1454719711;BingoBoingo;It's possible 1397561;1454719729;BingoBoingo;My favorite acid trip from MP's /. adventure http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8713235&cid=51449793 1397562;1454719731;assbot;Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9uYSF ) 1397563;1454719762;BingoBoingo;Modded +4 Interesting with "The block cipher is a proof of work function which takes some effort to compute." 1397564;1454719771;BingoBoingo;Not even wrong 1397565;1454719820;mircea_popescu;o.O 1397566;1454719836;BingoBoingo;But I'm glad MP no longer can disbelieve the one on the right being 21 because "No way she's 21, that isn't enough time to eat so much" 1397567;1454719846;mircea_popescu;holy shit put soup instead of sha i nthe pow, see people cry. 1397568;1454719860;BingoBoingo;lol 1397569;1454719905;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that part is easy : a) you cook a bunch of slop ; b) you catch the sow and chain her down ; c) you insert one tube in ass and another tube in mouth (should be same size, orientation indifferent) and then you d) pour. 1397570;1454719912;mircea_popescu;this is how you create the singularity. 1397571;1454719933;BingoBoingo;The scary thing is she dreams of someone doing that to her 1397572;1454719984;mircea_popescu;mats i guess that's right, surfer chicks do end up looking 514 by the time they're out of college. 1397573;1454719986;BingoBoingo;Now /.adventure this shit spreads https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/44d8je/slashdot_knows_of_our_butterfiend_mircea_popescu/czphupg 1397574;1454719987;assbot;AussieCryptoCurrency comments on Slashdot Knows Of Our ButterFiend Mircea Popescu ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9viRo ) 1397575;1454720014;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the internet is but a series of tubes. see c) above. 1397576;1454720054;BingoBoingo;But we need more pouring as in d) 1397577;1454720055;mircea_popescu;"Behold, Mr Mackey, riding a horse so naturally it makes your dick hard. And there be bitches, oh yes." << i wonder what knowitall derp'd do if he actually knew what he's talking about. 1397578;1454720101;BingoBoingo;Prolly do lsd trying to unknow? 1397579;1454720305;BingoBoingo;Ok, this comment might actually take the LSD cake: "This is likely not for *encryption*." Goes on about proof of work http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8713235&cid=51450657 1397580;1454720307;assbot;Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SysbDM ) 1397581;1454721119;BingoBoingo;brb, stepping away from the anti-social media 1397582;1454721863;mircea_popescu;ok, this one's for asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116441 1397583;1454721864;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nNj8kJ ) 1397584;1454721970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4028 @ 0.00056249 = 2.2657 BTC [+] 1397585;1454722208;mircea_popescu;"256 bits has sufficient entropy to render any brute force attack, and even severe weakening (e.g. sq root effort attacks) utterly infeasible." << dude where the fuck do they come from. 1397586;1454722227;mircea_popescu;what colors are your bits, bitch! and how much entropy is there in this dword ? 1397587;1454722374;mircea_popescu;"Anyhow, it would be a bunch of work for 10 BTC. Hardly worth anyone's time, given this bozo is gonna take all the credit, you probably don't even get fame nor fortune..." << jesus almighty. this is why it's fucking public, and lordship and all that, right ? 1397588;1454722439;mircea_popescu;i suppose the fiat world has burned these poor people so consistently (see the plouffe thing recently discussed, see the notorious wolfram thing etc) it's just the default expectation. and then ~bitcoin~ is the scam. 1397589;1454724132;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397582 << wut 1397590;1454724132;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 01:24:23; mircea_popescu: ok, this one's for asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116441 1397591;1454724151;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1397592;1454724242;asciilifeform;incidentally, anybody ask where daemen and rijmen's 'fame and fortune' are ? 1397593;1454724371;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the slashdot thing is raw sewage. srsly i 'want my five minutes back' plox. 1397594;1454724420;mircea_popescu;i was entertained! 1397595;1454725029;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397552 << why would i want ibm ? 1397596;1454725029;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 00:34:19; punkman: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu? 1397597;1454725055;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397554 << aaaaaaaand finally we catch'em in an obvious, rancid lie 1397598;1454725055;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 00:35:33; punkman: http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/New-technology-Roadmap-webpage-2.png 1397599;1454725086;asciilifeform;from earlier link, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1397463 we see : 1397600;1454725086;assbot;Logged on 05-02-2016 22:49:53; BingoBoingo: https://raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_info.php 1397601;1454725097;asciilifeform;'open-toolchain FPGAs' 1397602;1454725108;asciilifeform;!s xilinx 1397603;1454725108;assbot;86 results for 'xilinx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xilinx 1397604;1454725121;asciilifeform;^ 'open toolchain fpga' will happen some time after pigs fly over a frozen hell. 1397605;1454725140;asciilifeform;and in the 'roadmap' link we specifically see 'xilinx.' 1397606;1454725251;asciilifeform;re: the cipher thread, gotta love how nobody complained re: mircea_popescu asking folks to solve an unsolved mathematical problem, the answer to which eluded two great empires for half a century. 1397607;1454726341;asciilifeform;!up toffoo 1397608;1454726427;mircea_popescu;eh, what do they know. 1397609;1454726441;mircea_popescu;and besides, i'm not asking them to solve it, i'm just saying, should you have a solution... 1397610;1454726462;asciilifeform;next up, trilema antigravity prize ? 1397611;1454726552;mircea_popescu;believe it or not, sifting all the incoming email produced some nuggets. 1397612;1454726593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/2BVMZ6B 1397613;1454726595;assbot;dpaste: 2BVMZ6B ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3L5PO ) 1397614;1454726651;asciilifeform;l0l this is what i wanted to do, recall 1397615;1454726658;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu was allergic 1397616;1454726668;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1397617;1454726681;asciilifeform;cascades 1397618;1454726779;asciilifeform;if this is the best anybody had to offer, the field is deader than i thought. 1397619;1454726828;mircea_popescu;ya well. 1397620;1454726900;*;asciilifeform expected to see the maths crackpots come out in full strength, propose martian oddities based on, e.g., graph isomorphisms problem, or vertex colouring 1397621;1454726962;mircea_popescu;actually the 4 color map thing is in my head just as good if not better than knapsack 1397622;1454726964;asciilifeform;i actually hit garey & johnson's mega-encyclopaedia 'intractability' and dug 1397623;1454726971;asciilifeform;still diggin' 1397624;1454726994;asciilifeform;incidentally, another b00k worthy of inclusion in #b-a w4r3z dump 1397625;1454727007;asciilifeform;~the~ canonical work on the subject, quarter century in 1397626;1454727010;asciilifeform;unsurpassed. 1397627;1454727090;asciilifeform;the gotcha is, there is no shortage of demonstrably np-complete problem classes; but converting one into a cryptosystem, esp. ~safely~ is nontrivial 1397628;1454727130;asciilifeform;in fact, as far as i can tell, this has ~never been done at all~ 1397629;1454727132;asciilifeform;not once. 1397630;1454727152;asciilifeform;(for n00bz, i will remind, factoring was never demonstrated to be np-complete) 1397631;1454727277;mircea_popescu;aha. 1397632;1454727324;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's sadly unclear what the task even is. yes you can rigurously define assumptions ; yes you can rigurously prove safety. 1397633;1454727337;mircea_popescu;then you invalidate the assumptions in practice without realising and heuristics eats your lunch. 1397634;1454727385;mircea_popescu;math is nice and good, but a method or mechanism through which to prove the corectness of implementation in the sense contemplated here is not yet seen and altogether may be an impossibility. 1397635;1454727407;mircea_popescu;and when i say "not yet seen" i mean that in the strongest sense. not seen ONCE. fucking darwinism is not PROVEDLY correct. 1397636;1454727433;mircea_popescu;it is provedly consistent (what'd be a "mathematical corectness" and empirically applicable with great predictive power. that's... not it.) 1397637;1454727838;mircea_popescu;but in gauzy news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maznqwHuZ81qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1397638;1454727839;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Nn1g ) 1397639;1454728839;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: the slashdot thing is raw sewage. srsly i 'want my five minutes back' plox. << Ask gasenwagen driver for a cigarette when the time comes 1397640;1454730271;BingoBoingo;In other news that time you personally get called a lunatic by Luke-Jr and not just a lunatic, but the only lunatic whose opinon doesn't matter. https://archive.is/ChHAo 1397641;1454730272;assbot;luke-jr comments on "Intel Chips To Get Slower" <- Particularly relevant for scaling ... ( http://bit.ly/1SyNCVe ) 1397642;1454730287;BingoBoingo;Does anyone know if there's a prize for that 1397643;1454731314;BingoBoingo;!up adnn 1397644;1454731620;danielpbarron;heh, dat vpn 1397645;1454731974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00056313 = 1.0136 BTC [+] 1397646;1454732671;BingoBoingo;I have no idea when I'm going to stop glowing about recieving special contempt from Luke-Jr 1397647;1454732745;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr 1397648;1454732756;Luke-Jr;wait, that's you? I thought it was mircea_popescu 1397649;1454732785;BingoBoingo;No it's Mircea doesn't have time to write that much for Qntra. 1397650;1454732826;BingoBoingo;!down Luke-Jr Before you take my glow away 1397651;1454732850;danielpbarron;hehe 1397652;1454733004;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Luke-Jr Fuck yourself for editing that reddit comment and taking my glow away. I want you to go to the grave of blessed Mary mother of Jesus and very deeply and profoundly fuck yourself. 1397653;1454733005;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1397654;1454733316;BingoBoingo;17 months of Qntra, with 5 of them at the helm... I though I hit a significant milestone. Then it turns out that either I was honestly confused for Mircea Popescu or just maybe... Luke-Jr just tried to steal that milestone because he has so much contempt for me he was compelled to steal my satisfaction. 1397655;1454734396;thestringpuller;Luke-Jr keeps on derpin' 1397656;1454736571;mircea_popescu;lol poor bb. 1397657;1454736583;mircea_popescu;dun worry man, we still know you're really me. 1397658;1454737672;BingoBoingo;lol 1397659;1454738046;mircea_popescu;"For the purposes of this vexatious litigation decision what is important is whether or not delivering the September 25, 2015 documents to the Alberta Court of Queens Bench satisfies the actus reus and mens rea requirements of Criminal Code, s 423.1. On a balance of probabilities, I conclude that it does." 1397660;1454738058;mircea_popescu;epic. civil procedure applied to criminal code adjudications. 1397661;1454738061;mircea_popescu;this guy is pretty lulzy. 1397662;1454738066;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ 1397663;1454738156;mircea_popescu;" The fact that this Court would never have entered Boisjolis materials as a default judgment that could then be enforced by conventional means is immaterial. Criminal Code, s 24(1) is explicit that the fact an attempt to commit an offence could not succeed is irrelevant to whether or not that offence was attempted: 1397664;1454738157;mircea_popescu;24.(1) Every one who, having an intent to commit an offence, does or omits to do anything for the purpose of carrying out the intention is guilty of an attempt to commit the offence whether or not it was possible under the circumstances to commit the offence." 1397665;1454738158;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1397666;1454738166;mircea_popescu;check out the great laws they got up north! 1397667;1454738782;BingoBoingo;Truly is 'Murica's hat 1397668;1454739095;mircea_popescu;"[112] I make the above order on an interim basis effective immediately. In keeping with the procedure adopted in R v Fearn, at para 54, Chutskoff v Bonora, at para 138, and Lymer (Re), 2014 ABQB 696 (CanLII) at para 58, final operation of this Order is stayed for 30 days until November 6, 2015 to allow the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General to make submissions to change or vary this order, per Judicature A 1397669;1454739095;mircea_popescu;ct, s 23.1(3), should the Minister of Justice and Attorney General wish to do so within that period of time. Absent any submissions this order will become final on November 6, 2015." << the best part is that the dude spent a while harping about how bullshit foisted agreements are bullshit ; then went on to do EXACTLY the same ; and all the while fails to understand wtf exactly impels the guy to behave thusly. 1397670;1454739110;mircea_popescu;doh. he doesn't think you're special. because you're all equals and whatnot. what's so hard to grasp ? 1397671;1454739147;mircea_popescu;gee whiz, i wonder where plaintif caught on this idea that "unless you so and so in 30 days you so and so" 1397672;1454739202;mircea_popescu;then the bit where he attacks the notary is particularly precious. 1397673;1454739204;mircea_popescu;"[116] I have previously concluded, on a balance of probabilities, that these documents were intended to illegally assert a debt against the Officer and Alberta, and that the attempt to file the documents Powell notarized is an indictable criminal offense. Powell is obviously in breach of the Code of Conduct." 1397674;1454739223;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is the notary to know what you'll find when the stuff he notarizes butthurts your preferred coloring of reality ? 1397675;1454739294;mircea_popescu;bonus points for the item two paragraphs supra, where the judge nigh-on admits that he tried to track down the guy and have a little behind the scenes compact with him. sadly he wasn't also a laywer. this of course is deeply different from "criminal scheme to bla bla". 1397676;1454739326;*;mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. 1397677;1454739784;mircea_popescu;bonus points to where j d rooke got so hot and bothered under the collar he originally made a ruling so broken (through disallowing appeal improperly) he had to come in with a "corrigendum", which apparently is how it works in canada. 1397678;1454739815;mircea_popescu;in every jurisdiction i heard of clerical errors can be corrected by order, unless it touches to the substance. but again, canada, who knows. 1397679;1454739905;mircea_popescu;getting back to the other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m83s9b6zNK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1397680;1454739906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23P7Z3K ) 1397681;1454743077;punkman;http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Home/Web/TAD/FuturePCHardware.html#l1 1397682;1454743078;assbot;The Temple Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjn185 ) 1397683;1454743195;mircea_popescu;hahaha templeos guy is making his own hardware now ? 1397684;1454743205;mircea_popescu;alf starts all the good fads ;/ 1397685;1454743223;mircea_popescu;"We will make a spec for a perfectly standardized, $2500, cryogenically-cooled 1397686;1454743224;mircea_popescu;monster desktop PC. Everybody in the developed world will buy one over the next 1397687;1454743224;mircea_popescu;ten years, so quantity of 400,000,000, perhaps" 1397688;1454743254;punkman;gotta love terry 1397689;1454743311;mircea_popescu;his point re heat is actually quite sound. why the fuck do i have a cpu instead of a motherboard sized asic thing ? 1397690;1454743342;punkman;because 300mm wafer slice is expensive? 1397691;1454743348;mircea_popescu;computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron. 1397692;1454743383;punkman;that's more reasonable yes 1397693;1454743610;punkman;"the display will be 4K (and of course 640x480 16 color)" heh 1397694;1454744172;punkman;http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Doc/RedSea.html#l1 candidate for bitcoin-fs? 1397695;1454744173;assbot;The Temple Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo87M ) 1397696;1454744600;punkman;"We do not want UTF, just 8-bit characters. Somebody needs to choose new 8-bit ASCII characters for 128-255, since we do not want text graphic symbols. We want Russian, Greek or Hebrew alphabets, perhaps? ... Japan, China and Korea should switch-over to alphabets. Maybe, the United States will change to metric, out of good will." 1397697;1454744765;danielpbarron;>> God said Linux's Wine should replace Windows. << of course he never cites chapter and verse on any of these "God said"s 1397698;1454745333;punkman;he cites a lot of verses, but also has some kind of bible-markov-chain that says new things 1397699;1454745455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00056557 = 3.7893 BTC [+] {2} 1397700;1454745515;fluffypony;danielpbarron: duh, he's quoting 1 Terry 7:38 1397701;1454745637;fluffypony;"And in those days god spake unto Terry. And he said unto him: 'Terry', for that was name. And he proceeded to say: 'Terry, we need to talk about Windows.'" 1397702;1454745638;fluffypony;and so on 1397703;1454747554;punkman;http://jollyrogertelephone.com/ 1397704;1454747556;assbot;Jolly Roger Telephone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd73i4 ) 1397705;1454747913;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-salaries-haunt-some-job-hunters-1454634475 1397706;1454747914;assbot;High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7tF9 ) 1397707;1454748004;punkman;http://assets.bwbx.io/images/ioXhw1XZQPAo/v1/-1x-1.png 1397708;1454748005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7ARg ) 1397709;1454751311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00056313 = 2.337 BTC [-] {2} 1397710;1454752165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00056557 = 4.0155 BTC [+] {2} 1397711;1454753385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15998 @ 0.00056069 = 8.9699 BTC [-] {2} 1397712;1454755229;punkman;https://github.com/Whonix/gpg-bash-lib 1397713;1454755230;assbot;GitHub - Whonix/gpg-bash-lib: gpg file verification bash library, addresses comprehensive threat model, that covers file name tampering, indefinite freeze, rollback, endless data attacks, etc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1USQMAo ) 1397714;1454758692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00056558 = 5.5427 BTC [+] 1397715;1454760036;BingoBoingo;!Up fuc 1397716;1454760044;BingoBoingo;From the mines: Tinder has blocked one New Jersey 23-year-old, Robyn Gedrich, from using the app after several users reported her for spamming them with the same request: Do you feel the bern? Please text WORK to 82623 for me. Thanks! She sent that message to dozens of matches each day for two weeks straight. 1397717;1454760752;punkman;http://watson2016.com/ 1397718;1454760754;assbot;Watson for President 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SzU3Hs ) 1397719;1454761877;BingoBoingo;In other marginal news: Docker, employer of the late Debian Founder, has now hired the Alpine Linux founder and is moving all their images to that. Might be relevant if anyone was looking at that musl based distro 1397720;1454761938;BingoBoingo;punkman: Watson's not old enough. IBM's Deep Blue and Deep Though aren't quite old enough yet. 1397721;1454761994;BingoBoingo;Gotta be 35, so ChipTest will be old enough for the 2020 elections 1397722;1454762122;BingoBoingo;Now U of Illinois's Plato could run if it didn't die in 2006. Born in 1960 so 11 years older than Rubio. 1397723;1454763094;BingoBoingo;Of potential ethical and slutical interest http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2016/02/05/sources-u-l-imposing-postseason-hoops-ban/79878760/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= 1397724;1454763099;assbot;Louisville Basketball self-imposed post-season ban for 2015-16 season ... ( http://bit.ly/20NBIaW ) 1397725;1454763160;BingoBoingo;"The decision comes as the NCAA continues to investigate Katina Powells claims that she and other escorts were paid thousands of dollars and given game tickets by former basketball staffer Andre McGee in exchange for dancing for and having sex with U of L players and recruits from 2010-14. The NCAA could still levy further sanctions on U of L in addition to the self-imposed penalty, but university president James Ramsey is hope 1397726;1454763160;BingoBoingo;ful that the postseason ban will reduce the harshness of any potential punishment in the future." 1397727;1454763561;BingoBoingo;!up pete_d_out 1397728;1454763574;pete_d_out;cheers bb 1397729;1454763627;BingoBoingo;You're welcome 1397730;1454763792;BingoBoingo;No shortage of logs for pete 1397731;1454763821;pete_d_out;so catching up : mp opened a nifty contest, intel affirmed the sensibility of the current blocksize, mccollarbone is on "pace" to win the bitbet, and my qntra about technology and politics, if admittedly not about bitcoin, was a bit long-winded. did i miss anything else ? 1397732;1454764089;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397676 <-- found more from this same lulzathon here, for those interested in how the legal system in petelandia works (or doesn't) --> http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=10814 1397733;1454764089;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 06:15:26; *: mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. 1397734;1454764092;assbot;Allen Boisjoli - Alberta stomps on vexatious OPCA lititgant - Quatloos! ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKsCd2 ) 1397735;1454764116;BingoBoingo;pete_d_out: When you're authed we'll have the discussion to guide the sense of humor in the future that changes everything 1397736;1454764181;pete_d_out;okie dokie karoake 1397737;1454764269;BingoBoingo;pete_d_out: Well McCollarbone is only on pace if he keeps up the pace set in the sample size of two games he has after returning so far. 1397738;1454764311;pete_d_out;aha, see : https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#c5612 1397739;1454764311;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.45 B (3%) on Yes, 12.72 B (97%) on No | closed 6 days 13 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/20NDbOo ) 1397740;1454764381;BingoBoingo;It's not so ridiculous. He's just gotta average a bit over two point per game for the rest of the season. 1397741;1454764525;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397706 <-- para los que non tienen una suscripcion --> https://archive.is/5QNIo 1397742;1454764525;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 08:38:34; assbot: High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pd7tF9 ) 1397743;1454764526;assbot;High Salaries Haunt Some Job Hunters - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKtcHV ) 1397744;1454764607;pete_d_out;BingoBoingo that's not ridiculous like gavin averaging 100 btc per annum salary for the rest of his days, just as he did when vessenes scam was peaking, isn't ridiculous 1397745;1454764649;pete_d_out;in the same way and for the same reasons 1397746;1454764672;BingoBoingo;Well, the bet is if he lives up to the hype. Doing that for a career? Ridiculous. For 29-30 games perfectly possible if improbable as reflected by the BitBet odds 1397747;1454764749;BingoBoingo;This one seems to be just about as improbably as the money on BitBet demonstrates, and I'm really liking the money I put on "Yes" before he got injured. 1397748;1454764776;pete_d_out;ya, 25:1 isn't far off. 1397749;1454764805;pete_d_out;in other, "how do we measure our cocks, in cm or inches" news, http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/05/most-expensive-car-ever-auctioned-it-depends.html 1397750;1454764806;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKtwGx ) 1397751;1454764938;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396802 << heh. "moolteepahs" 1397752;1454764938;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 21:59:36; ascii_butugychag: remember the 'desk elephant' ? 1397753;1454765383;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396683 << o.O i can't be the only one who'd like to hear the rest of this story. 1397754;1454765383;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 20:43:37; ascii_butugychag: or the one who came by my old office disguised as 'friendly neighbour, retired blahblahblah' 1397755;1454765738;BingoBoingo;!up pete_d_out 1397756;1454765750;pete_d_out;gracias 1397757;1454765830;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396617 << bwahaha. finally a use for gimps. 1397758;1454765830;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2016 20:20:17; ascii_butugychag: 'fuck you, my public key is m * the next mersenne prime' 1397759;1454766010;pete_d_out;might cause a bit of lag in communication, making 'practical blockchain telegraphy' look zippy, but hey, if it's important enough.. 1397760;1454766214;pete_d_out;"Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. 1397761;1454766214;pete_d_out;“Workers are still a little discounted” in most fields, said Linda Barrington, executive director of the Institute for Compensation Studies at Cornell University’s ILR School. “Employers won’t pay what the last person in the job was paid because labor is now on sale.”" << ahh, i can taste the sweet butthurt tears of bahamas and his dream of a fully employed economy. "no one could've predicted" eh ? 1397762;1454766510;pete_d_out;in other, "no you can't have nice things if you're a plebe" news : http://www.eweek.com/pc-hardware/amd-unveils-virtualized-gpus-new-quiet-chips.html 1397763;1454766511;assbot;AMD Unveils Virtualized GPUs, New Quiet Chips ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKw47D ) 1397764;1454766680;BingoBoingo;If AMD can survive its debt for 5-7 years, they'll be in a pretty sweet place for competing with Intel. 1397765;1454766696;pete_d_out;" In the latest move, AMD unveiled its FirePro S-Series GPUs that include the company's hardware-virtualization GPU architecture, Multiuser GPU (MxGPU). The technology is aimed at such segments as virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI), remote workstations, cloud gaming and cloud computing." << is cloud gaming a thing now ? i thought it was all ipad gaming. 1397766;1454766728;pete_d_out;BingoBoingo sorta like which of medusa's heads "wins" at this point 1397767;1454766741;pete_d_out;or cerberus or or etc 1397768;1454766743;BingoBoingo;Cloud gaming is how they suppose they will feed iPads 3D graphics 1397769;1454766749;pete_d_out;aha 1397770;1454766797;pete_d_out;as if the nonexistent demand for counterstrike on an ipad is such a market driver 1397771;1454766814;pete_d_out;but ianag 1397772;1454766843;BingoBoingo;I dunno that customers actually want it. More a buzzword collision that attracts dumb money. 1397773;1454766857;BingoBoingo;From people who don't grok the whole network latency deal. 1397774;1454766890;pete_d_out;like "social media synergy" or "the uber of plasticine houses" 1397775;1454767010;BingoBoingo;Well consider what AMD did with their first generation "Bobcat" fusion chips. Fallout 3 was a bit old when those came out, but when the Bobcats were introduce there was no other way to play fallout 3 in the same power consumption envelope. 1397776;1454767028;BingoBoingo;Gotta stamp out the latency wherever it lives 1397777;1454767088;*;BingoBoingo waits for Bitcoin node on SSD controller chip tutorial 1397778;1454767111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00056802 = 5.9642 BTC [+] {2} 1397779;1454767114;pete_d_out;speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there. 1397780;1454767144;pete_d_out;fuck, i'd totally run a 10 ghz pentium. not like i pay for leccy. 1397781;1454767152;pete_d_out;BingoBoingo that'd be pretty neat 1397782;1454767203;BingoBoingo;pete_d_out: 5gHz overclocks aren't that new 1397783;1454767209;*;pete_d_out imagines unplugging 220v stove to run p4 beastputer 1397784;1454767238;pete_d_out;BingoBoingo that's exactly moore's problem 1397785;1454767247;BingoBoingo;You know AMD chips overclock too. 1397786;1454767254;pete_d_out;they're damn near a decade old! 1397787;1454767279;BingoBoingo;If going 2008 vintage might as well make sure you get ECC and x64 that works with everything on the board 1397788;1454767282;pete_d_out;"oh, but we added more cores so it feeeeels faster" 1397789;1454767355;BingoBoingo;Well more core makes sense on 1 level, places to put other shit. It's what buying opteron fabric by the yard would be based on 1397790;1454767372;pete_d_out;well, my clock's running out. i'll check back in soon :) 1397791;1454767384;BingoBoingo;later 1397792;1454767599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10456 @ 0.00055879 = 5.8427 BTC [-] {3} 1397793;1454772624;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397676 << rule of lawl 1397794;1454772624;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 06:15:26; *: mircea_popescu fucking loves reading all these SOPS rulings, the beatings the justice system applies to itself trying to fight reddit-level crazies is delightful. 1397795;1454772638;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397683 << fart in the wind 1397796;1454772638;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 07:19:55; mircea_popescu: hahaha templeos guy is making his own hardware now ? 1397797;1454772653;asciilifeform;let's see him 'make' so much as a flashlight. 1397798;1454772670;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397690 << aha. 1397799;1454772670;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 07:22:22; punkman: because 300mm wafer slice is expensive? 1397800;1454772693;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397691 << fpga fabric. as i described maybe 1,001 times. 1397801;1454772693;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 07:22:28; mircea_popescu: computers should come on fucking fabric already, i go to the shop buy 8 meters of opteron. 1397802;1454772747;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397693 << the secret gag is that the 4k refers to... usd. it must. 1397803;1454772747;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 07:26:50; punkman: "the display will be 4K (and of course 640x480 16 color)" heh 1397804;1454772781;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397698 << templeos comes with a 'talk to god' terminal. 1397805;1454772781;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 07:55:33; punkman: he cites a lot of verses, but also has some kind of bible-markov-chain that says new things 1397806;1454772796;asciilifeform;i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. 1397807;1454772807;BingoBoingo;There's 4k screens under $800 now, but at what COST!!! 1397808;1454772831;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a fella i know installed one on his desk instead of a proper monitor. looks - imho - like shit 1397809;1454772853;asciilifeform;pixels the size of gridpaper squares. 1397810;1454772871;asciilifeform;and go and try turning it into vertical orientation, looks like shit soup 1397811;1454772885;asciilifeform;(the correct orientation for a programmer's display is vertical.) 1397812;1454772908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397712 << holy FUCK what a steaming crock of shit. where does punkman find these ? 1397813;1454772908;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 10:40:29; punkman: https://github.com/Whonix/gpg-bash-lib 1397814;1454773037;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397741 << to the extent that this is an actual thing, it is an ancient plague, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-08-2015#1223259 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223627 1397815;1454773037;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:15:25; pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397706 <-- para los que non tienen una suscripcion --> https://archive.is/5QNIo 1397816;1454773037;assbot;Logged on 03-08-2015 17:23:51; ascii_field: gernika: for the record, i once tried to get 'blue collar' work, and failed. turned away, 'overqualified, you'll leave as soon as you can' 1397817;1454773037;assbot;Logged on 04-08-2015 02:48:13; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223506 << i've said it before, will say again: if you can fake your way out of 'overqualified, go away' when applying to be a cook or street sweeper, you can and will work profitably in hollywood or cia 1397818;1454773050;BingoBoingo; and go and try turning it into vertical orientation, looks like shit soup << AMD thinkpadish was acquired for acceptable vertical quality. Imagined myself holding it like a book for ebook reading. 1397819;1454773061;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ick 1397820;1454773085;asciilifeform;mega-unbalance 1397821;1454773101;BingoBoingo;Turns out... occasions I'd want to do that instead of imagine doing that are rare. 1397822;1454773103;asciilifeform;or was it one of those things that folds 180 degree 1397823;1454773121;BingoBoingo;It goes out to near 180 flat 1397824;1454773132;asciilifeform;nono, the other way 1397825;1454773149;asciilifeform;where you end up with the keyboard parallel to and behind the screen 1397826;1454773155;BingoBoingo;Fuck no. 1397827;1454773162;asciilifeform;then useless 1397828;1454773179;BingoBoingo;But actually rather well balanced 1397829;1454773201;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << work in moar webdev, aha 1397830;1454773201;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:43:34; pete_d_out: "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. 1397831;1454773201;BingoBoingo;I thank the battery protruding from the back for that. 1397832;1454773234;asciilifeform;being on the interchangeable-part end of fungibility sucks, newz at 11 1397833;1454773245;mircea_popescu;in lieu of good morning, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2pm9kcA871qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1397834;1454773247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nUfSEX ) 1397835;1454773280;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu 1397836;1454773289;mircea_popescu;how is the world today! 1397837;1454773390;BingoBoingo;Not very changed from yesterday 1397838;1454773404;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397765 << if you crunch the simple arithmetic re: propagation delays, it reveals that one of two things: a) whole thing is a scam, not actually intended to happen in physical reality b) collectivized, 'kolhoz' of gaming processor will be installed on street corner router cabinets, one per 100 houses or so, this will go great with ownership of actual computer being Officially forb 1397839;1454773404;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:51:36; pete_d_out: " In the latest move, AMD unveiled its FirePro S-Series GPUs that include the company's hardware-virtualization GPU architecture, Multiuser GPU (MxGPU). The technology is aimed at such segments as virtual desktop infrastructure (VDI), remote workstations, cloud gaming and cloud computing." << is cloud gaming a thing now ? i thought it was all ipad gaming. 1397840;1454773405;asciilifeform;idden 1397841;1454773421;asciilifeform;and b) would put amd on the leading edge of advanced usgtronics of the Fyootoor, at last 1397842;1454773480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you think this because you don't know gaming. 1397843;1454773481;asciilifeform;in not entirely unrelated news, old-stock opteron cpus are being sold in crates of 1,000+, for ~1-2 usd/ea. in qty. 1397844;1454773508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which kind of gaming a) uses gpu silicon b) tolerates 100ms+ wire delay ? 1397845;1454773516;mircea_popescu;i dunno how familiar you are with ipad/android on one hand, and steam and derivatives on the other ; but amd's ploy is plainly to make a hardware-sum-of-these. 1397846;1454773531;mircea_popescu;it won't work, for many reasons, but they are desperate so reaching out for stevejobian straws. 1397847;1454773532;asciilifeform;no but think. whole point of gpu is acceleration 1397848;1454773557;mircea_popescu;ipad gaming, that kind of gaming. 1397849;1454773561;asciilifeform;it has no purpose (when used as prescribed) aside from throwing pixels on a screen in real time 1397850;1454773566;asciilifeform;~in real time~ 1397851;1454773571;mircea_popescu;there's a large segment of idiots that moved to "eye candy slowly" paradigm 1397852;1454773574;asciilifeform;not 100ms later 1397853;1454773579;mircea_popescu;no real time exists anywhere near anything apple. 1397854;1454773592;asciilifeform;idk i saw a perfectly fine 'doom' running on ipad 1397855;1454773602;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes & his hipster friends are happy to wait 30 s for a webmail screen to load 1397856;1454773611;mircea_popescu;that you might have, now go play angry birds. 1397857;1454773642;asciilifeform;iirc that's a '80s-style 2d arcade thing 1397858;1454773646;mircea_popescu;even the notion of "pvp" has been perverted into "pick a team out of this list and cpu will play it for you - thereby you're attacking another player" 1397859;1454773669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. this is what they do, because this is what the mob wants, because mob is mentally retarded. PRETTIFY angry birds! 1397860;1454773671;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last I checked Angry Birds runs in most turd browsers with user agent set to chrome 1397861;1454773675;asciilifeform;game began and ended with msdos for me 1397862;1454773695;asciilifeform;fortunately there are more wonderful dos titles than i have expected life left 1397863;1454773708;*;shinohai imagines asciilifeform playing the Oregon Trail still .... 1397864;1454773721;asciilifeform;'you have died of death, please play again' 1397865;1454773733;asciilifeform;when i say dos, i mean '90s dos. 1397866;1454773736;asciilifeform;not dark age. 1397867;1454773748;mircea_popescu;yes, this is fine and good, i'm just saying the reasons they do what they do are outside of your experience. 1397868;1454773758;asciilifeform;probably. but nobody cancelled speed of light. 1397869;1454773775;mircea_popescu;basically [a segment of] gaming has turned into "gimme a minimally interactive tv show" 1397870;1454773791;asciilifeform;this began in '90s with the appearance of cdrom 1397871;1454773797;asciilifeform;and continued. 1397872;1454773798;mircea_popescu;the trend is evident enoughj that fucking southpark mocked the tendency of kids to prefer to watch youtube vids of other people playing their games. 1397873;1454773813;mircea_popescu;much like their parents much prefer to watch video footage of other [black, preferably] men fucking their wives. 1397874;1454773813;asciilifeform;took a giant leap forward with the extinction of the intelligent, discerning game consumer 1397875;1454773844;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, something like "gpu-powered ipad game, 100ms delayed" is a great competition for cable tv 1397876;1454773845;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: South Park's "Stick of Truth" pretty much set the bar for interactive TV sold as game 1397877;1454773873;mircea_popescu;as social media and general laziness drove the cost of producing tv shows why the fuck up, forcing ever present decreases in quality, 1397878;1454773893;mircea_popescu;it's feasible average consumer would prefer to watch visually upgraded angry birds on amd hardware to watching another talkshow. 1397879;1454773957;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397780 << straight to your local welding shop, pete_d_out, and fill up yer dewar with ln2, this is an ancient recipe 1397880;1454773957;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:59:04; pete_d_out: fuck, i'd totally run a 10 ghz pentium. not like i pay for leccy. 1397881;1454773985;asciilifeform;(it doesn't go straight on the cpu, no, will crack the mb and drown in condensation. it goes in the tank through which you pump the oil.) 1397882;1454773985;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/#comment-116450 << does anyone understand what this fellow is saying ? 1397883;1454773986;assbot;That's right, time to move on. Please do. Bitcoin is really not for you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nUh3nN ) 1397884;1454774008;mircea_popescu;quoted here because my spamthing identified it as legit, and i had do to a triple taker and im STILL not convinced this is not a spam script. 1397885;1454774019;asciilifeform;spam. 1397886;1454774025;mircea_popescu;how do you know ? 1397887;1454774029;mircea_popescu;i gotta train this machine. 1397888;1454774080;BingoBoingo;Phillipino on acid, no real way to mechanically filter 1397889;1454774089;asciilifeform;l0l reads sorta like an actual mentally defective human doesnnit 1397890;1454774092;adlai;> Blocksteams 1397891;1454774102;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gotta be defective human 1397892;1454774109;mircea_popescu;dude i have no idea, might be cultural barrier. 1397893;1454774116;mircea_popescu;maybe that's how you'rte supposed to speak in indian. 1397894;1454774123;mircea_popescu;one of the 7000 of them out there anyway. 1397895;1454774137;BingoBoingo;Actually does look like maybe a poorly hand corrected google translate 1397896;1454774137;mircea_popescu;more languages spoken in india than languages spoken in total. 1397897;1454774167;mircea_popescu;anyway, it includes one link, and that link does not work. 1397898;1454774191;asciilifeform;'why did 33 crores (330M) of gods never cough up a flush toilet?' -- uncle al 1397899;1454774206;mircea_popescu;i happen to have an answer for that. 1397900;1454774206;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's a personal landing page site done in Angular.js so invisible to sane browsers 1397901;1454774218;mircea_popescu;the lords had women to lick their asshole clean ; the rest of the world can go hang. 1397902;1454774241;mircea_popescu;i am not overall so convinced clasical eastern despotisms were so very wrong. yes provably wrong, but then again so is the west. 1397903;1454774244;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397806 << I saw mention of nist public rng thing 1397904;1454774244;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 15:33:16; asciilifeform: i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. 1397905;1454774281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not so much 'wrong' as have obvious engineering limits. just as the west has own, aha 1397906;1454774305;BingoBoingo;I dunno about provably wrong. Giving Hegel a spin has me feeling rather favorable to the classical eastern despotisms he shat on. 1397907;1454774311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the idea being then that perhaps with better management.,.. 1397908;1454774318;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397812 recommended in gpg-users ml. needs moar stuff sticking out the sides 1397909;1454774318;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 15:35:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397712 << holy FUCK what a steaming crock of shit. where does punkman find these ? 1397910;1454774350;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wanted to show you what i see, but archive.is hanged for 30s + on GEThttps://176651799.log.optimizely.com/event?a=176651799&d=176651799&y=false&src=js&s177247141=false&s177238534=gc&s177274055=direct&tsent=1454774294.31&n=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2F&u=oeu1454774294298r0.48049287940375507&wxhr=true&time=1454774294.309&f=2389180153&g=&cx2=a0df6d22 1397911;1454774354;mircea_popescu;make that more like 2 minutes. 1397912;1454774362;BingoBoingo;Anyways Qntra had its not sure if spam comment http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-chips-to-get-slower/#comment-45062 1397913;1454774363;assbot;Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ4Z2 ) 1397914;1454774364;mircea_popescu;hey everyone : you NEEEEED!!!11 optimizely.com 1397915;1454774371;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's what angular.js does 1397916;1454774372;mircea_popescu;they'll fuck up your pageloads! no need to fuck them up youselves! 1397917;1454774377;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397829 << goes well with http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-03/from-coal-to-coding-appalachian-miners-getting-a-fresh-start 1397918;1454774377;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 15:40:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << work in moar webdev, aha 1397919;1454774379;assbot;Appalachian Miners Are Learning to Code - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ3oa ) 1397920;1454774394;BingoBoingo;It's a mindset 1397921;1454774400;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://archive.is/KU3op << nothing there. 1397922;1454774401;assbot;about.me | your personal homepage ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjQ6QG ) 1397923;1454774425;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i want to send people to a landing page "aboput me" where someone else advertises other fucking idiots. 1397924;1454774428;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck. 1397925;1454774444;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that seems like a reference to something in trilema. 1397926;1454774465;BingoBoingo;There would be something there if the javascript was allowed 3 virgin afghan goats and a solstice with which to load 1397927;1454774485;BingoBoingo;Ah 1397928;1454774693;mircea_popescu;!up Peter00 1397929;1454774694;mircea_popescu;"After more than 20 years as an electronics engineer, Pete Edwards reached the low six-figure pay level. Now, as he looks for a job following a layoff, he finds that salary success a burden." 1397930;1454774696;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha. 1397931;1454774713;mircea_popescu;this whole "overqualified" thing is a very peculiar usg instrument of lizardlet punishment. 1397932;1454774734;mircea_popescu;kinda like the soviet equivalent, "oh, so you got kicked out of your party commission thing ? no, you can't have a job. because fuck you, that's why" 1397933;1454774759;mircea_popescu;god forbid everyone in wash dc goes "fuck you, fix the office policies or else ima be a carpenter" 1397934;1454774827;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397707 << curious if anyone knows how this looked back when the us was an ascending rather than a falling star. say 1880, or 1950. 1397935;1454774827;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 08:40:04; punkman: http://assets.bwbx.io/images/ioXhw1XZQPAo/v1/-1x-1.png 1397936;1454774920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397725 << i don't get it, what is wrong with this ? 1397937;1454774920;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 12:52:40; BingoBoingo: "The decision comes as the NCAA continues to investigate Katina Powells claims that she and other escorts were paid thousands of dollars and given game tickets by former basketball staffer Andre McGee in exchange for dancing for and having sex with U of L players and recruits from 2010-14. The NCAA could still levy further sanctions on U of L in addition to the self-imposed penalty, but university pres 1397938;1454774927;mircea_popescu;if i were him i'd fucking advertise it. 1397939;1454774936;mircea_popescu;"come play for our team, free hookers buffet at lunch" 1397940;1454774944;mircea_popescu;it is mostly a black kids' thing, neh ? 1397941;1454774954;mircea_popescu;how the fuck are you to compete with rappers. 1397942;1454774957;BingoBoingo;What's wrong is the preemptive punishment 1397943;1454774989;mircea_popescu;"thousands of dollars" ? earlier "electrical engineer" derp apparently made "low six figures", ie, 1/100 of what a house costs. 1397944;1454775012;BingoBoingo;Team just up and punishes itself. 1397945;1454775013;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, whore budget for us tv sports team should be in the hundred mil a year sorta thing. 1397946;1454775024;mircea_popescu;what is wrong with these people ? 1397947;1454775032;BingoBoingo;Everything is wrong with them 1397948;1454775091;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related lulz : romanian women are sane ; as a result they're all over europe fucking the shit out of everything that moves ; as a result butthurt euroheads don't want to extend schengen zone to romania unless it "controils the problem" ; 1397949;1454775097;mircea_popescu;as a result romania decides to legalize prostitution. 1397950;1454775114;mircea_popescu;"why the fuck send the whores there so you make most of the money and still bitch about it ? instead come here, pay 10x as much and we keep it all" 1397951;1454775120;mircea_popescu;idiot is as idiot does. 1397952;1454775238;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397806 << it sounds like witchcraft/divination to me; I burned my yarrow stalks and i ching books over this 1397953;1454775238;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 15:33:16; asciilifeform: i never looked into what his entropy source is. if it's a prng, straight to hell. 1397954;1454775271;danielpbarron;and on the topic of ipad/phone games. Recently I bought the 'Catan' app after my brother showed me this board game. It's notbad.jpg 1397955;1454775363;danielpbarron;turn based, so latency isn't an issue 1397956;1454775689;mircea_popescu;in other news, banana and peach smoothie kicks ass. 1397957;1454775713;mircea_popescu;settlers of catan is that danielpbarron ? 1397958;1454775734;danielpbarron;yes 1397959;1454775768;danielpbarron;i squeaked out a victory against 2 people and a bot last night; came down to dueling knight cards, and I had more :D 1397960;1454775778;mircea_popescu;cool 1397961;1454775808;mircea_popescu;i played a game of poker with some local whores last night, busted my million within an hour. 1397962;1454775812;mircea_popescu;in 40k rebuys! 1397963;1454775819;danielpbarron;.. 1397964;1454775846;danielpbarron;what is the unit of account here? argentine funny money? 1397965;1454775860;mircea_popescu;ah the funniest thing : they wouldn't play poker. they wanted to play IPAD APP POKER! 1397966;1454775872;mircea_popescu;so we all sat there with tables playing "poker" for a while. 1397967;1454775889;mircea_popescu;so negotiable value of ~0, but i guess fun. 1397968;1454775898;danielpbarron;it probably suffers from the same problem as catan : bad rng 1397969;1454775943;danielpbarron;the catan app at least has a "stack" dice mode where you can get even distribution if not actual randomness 1397970;1454775944;mircea_popescu;well it suffers from the problem of bored waitress (shop girl / whore / whatever), they get into these fixations vaguely reminescent of "la pie a une manie : elle volle tout ce qui brille" 1397971;1454775966;mircea_popescu;anyway, they all had billions in ipad poker money and got some sort of bonus or whatever for inviting new players. 1397972;1454776058;mircea_popescu;"agreed. i like allan as a friend. to meet him you would probably like him too. he isnt nuts in general like many are. i have sat in on a few court dates that cant be brought up on here. allan and his family got shafted. that put al in a hard spot and drove his theories to what we have now. there was no reason for his kids to be taken. if there was i would gladly say so. in a way the courts created allan the vexatious. 1397973;1454776058;mircea_popescu; he even tried the lawyer route for the sake of the children but the families could not afford it for long." 1397974;1454776059;mircea_popescu;heh. 1397975;1454776079;mircea_popescu;OF FUCKING COURSE the courts created the vexatious. what else created it, basil plants ? 1397976;1454776110;mircea_popescu;but somehow it is ok to say "the presence of whores promotes disease", but conventionally not ok to say "the presence of courts promotes vexation". 1397977;1454776152;mircea_popescu;sorta like in the early colonies it was ok to say "tomatoes are poisonous" and nobody was supposed to notice that "Eating off lead plates because you wanna be as cool as the europeans eating off silver but are poor and stupid is still a bad plan". 1397978;1454776201;mircea_popescu;"i can only say so much for a few reasons. first allan is my friend. we dont agree on many points but this does not mean i care to make any assumptions about his beliefs on law and governance or his personal life. second there is a publication ban on things which i hold first hand knowledge of. i belive those cases were sealed as a cover up of what actually went on. there is nothing anyone will write here that will cha 1397979;1454776201;mircea_popescu;nge that. i was actually there. i will say i have seen no judge, crown, or family services member with the best interest of the children in mind (in this case). and that is a hard fact. 1397980;1454776201;mircea_popescu;and i barely see the point of this discussion as we are not allowed by operation of law to discuss many relevant points to the story. i think you could discuss much without including any name. but it does not show the why of allan filing and trying the way he does. if i was him i would have no faith in the courts at all. 1397981;1454776204;mircea_popescu;i can only speak here to clarify certain misgivings about my friend. or i will violate the publication ban as it all links together." 1397982;1454776209;mircea_popescu;and yet the derp still actually upholds the nonsense. 1397983;1454776226;mircea_popescu;dude... fuck delusional "courts bans". no court has the power to prevent public communication OF ANYTHING. 1397984;1454776229;mircea_popescu;and in any manner. 1397985;1454776393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ? 1397986;1454776393;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:43:34; pete_d_out: "Moreover, employers may feel they can lowball applicants because they believe there is still a surplus of qualified candidates. 1397987;1454776436;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397768 << oh it was in the logs already. 1397988;1454776436;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:52:23; BingoBoingo: Cloud gaming is how they suppose they will feed iPads 3D graphics 1397989;1454776443;mircea_popescu;aite, BingoBoingo has it lol. 1397990;1454776448;BingoBoingo;yeah 1397991;1454776462;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Wouldn’t it be great if it did?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/06/6907/ 1397992;1454776500;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing. 1397993;1454776500;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 13:58:34; pete_d_out: speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there. 1397994;1454776508;mircea_popescu;after mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is no more. 1397995;1454776518;mircea_popescu;this is all coincidence and has exactly nothing to do with mp, of course. 1397996;1454776529;mircea_popescu;then again, history is written by the coincidentors. 1397997;1454776612;mircea_popescu;o look at that, bb's story still on slashdot first page. 1397998;1454776629;mircea_popescu;penultimate item. how long was it now lessee 1397999;1454776764;mircea_popescu;19ish to 14ish let's say, about 19 hours. the net value of being a majorily contested news item on slashdot first page is ~3500 unique visitors, ~4500 pages read for an average of 1.28 (or in practice, using the 1% rule, ~3 people read the news item and left, ~300 people read 3-4 pages each and may be back). 1398000;1454776842;mircea_popescu;you can buy the same results from google for ~ 1-300 bucks, and seeing how slashdot has 15 items per first page and apparently a new set daily, the upper bound of its productive value would then be somewhere between 45000 and say 100k per month. 1398001;1454776859;mircea_popescu;of course you can get the exact same also free, but then again that requires "skill". 1398002;1454776874;BingoBoingo;So It's about 25% of what it was in early 2013 and exactly what it was in late 2013 1398003;1454777090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have." 1398004;1454777104;mircea_popescu;see alf ? you don't know things! 1398005;1454777198;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397943 << house costs 10M ?! 1398006;1454777198;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:09:49; mircea_popescu: "thousands of dollars" ? earlier "electrical engineer" derp apparently made "low six figures", ie, 1/100 of what a house costs. 1398007;1454777200;mircea_popescu;from same person, five minutes later, "Wait. 'Uses a 64 kbyte key' - is he mad? Does he realize the trouble he will have to go through when he has to transport over a network, or do a key agreement on, keys of that size?" 1398008;1454777212;mircea_popescu;movingkeys over the wire! 1398009;1454777218;mircea_popescu;what little knowledge we have! 1398010;1454777222;mircea_popescu;this is better than the circus. 1398011;1454777246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ? 1398012;1454777265;mircea_popescu;10m pre-tax, pre interest. worth diddly. 1398013;1454777265;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397955 << thread was about gpu. do you understand what gpu is and is for ? 1398014;1454777265;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:16:03; danielpbarron: turn based, so latency isn't an issue 1398015;1454777289;mircea_popescu;and now my dear friends, ima be off to send keys over wires. bbl. 1398016;1454777385;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397983 << actually in anglo world it is routine for a prisoner to be held incommunicado. handy publication ban of whatever you like. 1398017;1454777385;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:30:26; mircea_popescu: dude... fuck delusional "courts bans". no court has the power to prevent public communication OF ANYTHING. 1398018;1454777413;mod6;mornin' 1398019;1454777418;mircea_popescu;and it is routine for rapists to kill their victims, in same anglo world. what of it ? 1398020;1454777424;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397985 << there is an eternal unmet demand of folks who will do $work for ~$free. hence indians imported, etc. 1398021;1454777424;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:33:13; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ? 1398022;1454777428;mircea_popescu;heya mod6 1398023;1454777438;mod6;:] 1398024;1454777447;asciilifeform;there is NEVER any shortage of folks who will do $work for $maxint. they will fly down from mars if you pay enough. 1398025;1454777459;mircea_popescu;I think I know what (s)he is talking about - it's similar to this one https://vimeo.com/7125141 [vimeo.com] , and involves MP breaking down in the face of confrontation. Not necessarily crying per se, but he acts like a kid who has been told he can't go out and play until he eats his broccoli. Might even be the same event, but this video was put out by MP and is edited to make MP look good, at least in his own eyes. << 1398026;1454777460;assbot;Mircea Popescu - Sesiune training Birda, Timis on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1nPgJpL ) 1398027;1454777460;mircea_popescu; i dun understand all this coloring. 1398028;1454777472;mircea_popescu;what exactly is "breakinjg down" about me telling some random farmer at political rally why he can't have living wage ? 1398029;1454777492;mircea_popescu;there's all this constant "oh i know why this person that's better than me did what he did, let me tell you!" bullshit. 1398030;1454777503;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397992 << mno, it was quite readily dead in '07 and iirc apparent to most literate folk 1398031;1454777503;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:35:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397779 << yes, up until mp said fu, EVERYONE said moore's law is a thing. 1398032;1454777517;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. apparently my slaves are "whores" because hey, "it's unfair" or whatever. 1398033;1454777520;asciilifeform;what there ~was~ is some vague 'hope of comeback' from magical wunderwaffen fabrication tech 1398034;1454777522;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people already. 1398035;1454777529;asciilifeform;which - mega-unsurprise - never materialized 1398036;1454777532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link me please. 1398037;1454777557;mircea_popescu;i wish to see place where person in position of management/responsibility makes decision and publicly backs it by plain statement that moore law's a delusion. 1398038;1454777580;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398004 << this is glorious, can we get the knowing-things fella in here somehow ? 1398039;1454777580;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:45:04; mircea_popescu: see alf ? you don't know things! 1398040;1454777583;asciilifeform;we could really use one 1398041;1454777603;mircea_popescu;well... i suppose if you find prior art re moore's law ima buy slashdot and redirect it to logs. 1398042;1454777646;BingoBoingo;It's amazing the people still around https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012359.html 1398043;1454777646;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1398044;1454777648;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2megabytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ofAg33 ) 1398045;1454777659;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is best one yet. 1398046;1454777681;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw the 'multicore' fad as more or less equivalent to a public proclamation of 'moore's law is dead' 1398047;1454777690;asciilifeform;but perhaps this is not quite what mircea_popescu had in mind 1398048;1454777701;mircea_popescu;derp #1 : "What is wrong with existing block ciphers like AES? AES has been in widespread use for over a decade and to the best of my knowledge, there is still no practical attack on it (unless someone has built a working quantum computer and not told anyone about it). Its totally free of patents and IP issues. Its been implemented in a huge variety of hardware and software (including the Intel CPU that I am using to m 1398049;1454777701;mircea_popescu;ake this postining). Even the NSA trusts AES enough to certify it for use protecting top secret information." 1398050;1454777708;mircea_popescu;derp #2 : Nothing. The guy is just a fool who believes that bigger block size is better. He's a very obvious sufferer of the Dunning Kruger effect [wikipedia.org] 1398051;1454777712;mircea_popescu;FANCY THAT! 1398052;1454777721;mircea_popescu;dude wasn't slashdot supposed to be made out of informed people and whatnot ? 1398053;1454777746;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << obligatory re: 'aes is certified' 1398054;1454777747;assbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gZ2mwl ) 1398055;1454777757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform finding threads for events after the event is a fun sort of historical game. nevertheless, the events are the events. 1398056;1454777795;asciilifeform;now what i don't grasp is how the bitcoin block size thing wormed its way into that thread 1398057;1454777797;asciilifeform;from where? 1398058;1454777812;asciilifeform;what, word 'block' does not even exist for these folk outside of bitcoin terminology ? 1398059;1454777816;mircea_popescu;they decided that the true reason (tm) must be workfunction-something. 1398060;1454777825;mircea_popescu;but yeah, prolly free association. 1398061;1454777856;BingoBoingo; apparently i'm "self exiled to argentina" because i'm fucking local now. << I did that troll 1398062;1454777862;mircea_popescu;ah! 1398063;1454777868;mircea_popescu;o wow, this is like 4chan now ? 1398064;1454777886;BingoBoingo;Kinda 1398065;1454777893;BingoBoingo;With less porn 1398066;1454777897;mircea_popescu;sadly. 1398067;1454777929;mircea_popescu;i remember the days, back when the mothers of the current crop of internet kids were still sucking cock on public grounds, that slashdot was really cool. 1398068;1454777948;asciilifeform;not so much 'cool' as 'one of the only few things that there were' 1398069;1454777953;mircea_popescu;then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool. 1398070;1454777956;BingoBoingo;Well, the taco commander had to get paid 1398071;1454777961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is what cool means. 1398072;1454777985;asciilifeform;the oasis may be crowded and full of shit but is still oasis 1398073;1454778006;mircea_popescu;you have to understand cool is a political concept, much like "declase" in french salon world of 1800. 1398074;1454778031;mircea_popescu;"if you make the list of places, and cross out the places where you woujldn't want to be seen, the result is the list of cool places" 1398075;1454778187;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398011 << closer to 10. ~unless~ you use my magic formula and compute using ~the money you have left over to actually pay for the thing~ 1398076;1454778187;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the 100k is a salary, 100 years of that buys you a house where your job is. you denying this ? 1398077;1454778267;asciilifeform;in which case you get the ridiculous american number of 30. which assumes an ideal spherical horse of an empire where the chump actually keeps getting that 100k for 30 years, and it isn't eaten away at by spiraling costs of fuel, food, medical, etc. 1398078;1454778284;asciilifeform;(and, as per earlier thread, unemployment) 1398079;1454778424;asciilifeform;which turns into a mathematically plausible but physically-ludicrous discussion akin to 'candle burning for 100 years will move a ferrari 1km forward' 1398080;1454778428;asciilifeform;find me this candle. 1398081;1454778456;asciilifeform;and the eternal, unrusting ferrari on the 100 year track, slowly creeping. 1398082;1454778468;BingoBoingo;AHA, Like motorcarriage powered by radiothermal generator 1398083;1454778480;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can get a 1-3kW rtg 1398084;1454778486;asciilifeform;for phreeeeee! 1398085;1454778501;BingoBoingo;But weighs car down how much? 1398086;1454778502;asciilifeform;catch is, you will have to smuggle it out of kamchatka by rowboat 1398087;1454778521;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a tonne or two 1398088;1454778557;asciilifeform;this output would correspond to ~ 1-3 horses. 1398089;1454778568;asciilifeform;which puts you right where you probably wanted to be. 1398090;1454778604;asciilifeform;bonus, the carriage never gets cold... 1398091;1454778604;BingoBoingo;So six ton golf car roughly after fending off volcanoes and bears with oars from boat 1398092;1454778614;BingoBoingo;*golf cart 1398093;1454778716;asciilifeform;to briefly return to the cipher thread, 1398094;1454778743;asciilifeform;the major boojum re: asking for (as i asked for) a cipher that has an actual mathematical proof of security, is that there is precisely one such known, 1398095;1454778744;asciilifeform;otp. 1398096;1454778761;asciilifeform;afaik no effort to produce another has ever yielded anything. 1398097;1454778778;asciilifeform;(if it had, it is a very well-kept secret, better kept than, e.g., nuke etc) 1398098;1454778846;asciilifeform;(the otp proof is kindergarten-level - the ciphertext tells you nothing at all - as in 0 bits - about the key or the plaintext) 1398099;1454778880;asciilifeform;given as it literally equals key xor plaintext. 1398100;1454778934;asciilifeform;if i tell you that X xor Y == 1, you cannot infer X and Y, only that one is 1 and other is 0 1398101;1454778946;asciilifeform;qed. 1398102;1454779055;asciilifeform;in any ciphersystem ~other~ than otp, the ciphertext carries, theoretically, ~some~ information re: the key. 1398103;1454779067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00056211 = 2.2203 BTC [+] {2} 1398104;1454779105;asciilifeform;now one could try to prove that extracting this information usefully is computationally intractable. but this is never been publicly done. 1398105;1454779123;asciilifeform;there are charlatans who will happily help you self-delude that it has been done, however. 1398106;1454779127;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: dunno if this was in logs. but why is the "crypto comoonity" opposed to RSA? 1398107;1454779135;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: guess why. 1398108;1454779148;thestringpuller;every netsec guy at my coal mine is like "RSA is bad don't use it mmmkay. ECC please" 1398109;1454779176;thestringpuller;i figure it's disinformation. but who am I to argue with "crypto experts!!!11" and such 1398110;1454779294;asciilifeform;partly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2016#1382752 1398111;1454779294;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 15:35:48; asciilifeform: problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa. 1398112;1454779347;asciilifeform;partly that ecc systems are poorly understood and trivial to trapdoor and kleptographically diddle, very usg-friendly 1398113;1454779396;asciilifeform;(find me ~one~ 'netsec' tard who can explain how the curves are chosen) 1398114;1454779576;thestringpuller;an exercise for the reader is always a good exercise. I'll see what 'netsec' tards at work say to that question. 1398115;1454779759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> otp. << if the key is 64kb, technically otp would work fine for message up to 64kb. 1398116;1454779767;mircea_popescu;which... i dun recall the last time i used a message longer 1398117;1454779781;mircea_popescu;POINT BEING that in order to justify his oats, horse better pull cart more than donkey. 1398118;1454779800;mircea_popescu;so - if "cryptologists" can not produce what i ask of them - their wives, to the brothel, they themselves to the mines, for fraud. 1398119;1454779812;mircea_popescu;i don't need "experts" and "universities" to tell me 1800 state of the art. 1398120;1454779870;asciilifeform;otp is ww1 state of the art. 1398121;1454779878;asciilifeform;srsly 1398122;1454779884;mircea_popescu;iirc it was known afore. 1398123;1454779888;asciilifeform;it was not. 1398124;1454779901;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu knows differently, and can show it, historians would like to know 1398125;1454779925;asciilifeform;'peak crypto!1111' was otp, vernam, ww1. 1398126;1454779926;mircea_popescu;;;google Frank Miller 1882 1398127;1454779926;gribble;Frank Miller (cryptography) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; One-time pad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Frank Miller: Inventor of the One-Time Pad [pdf] - Columbia University: 1398128;1454779931;mircea_popescu;now what ? 1398129;1454779941;gernika;mod6: my 99996 node is wedging every 1k blocks or so. I would be happy to apply any logging or debugging patches that might be out there to help track down the problem. 1398130;1454779952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato! turns out otp has its very own lilienfeld 1398131;1454779958;mircea_popescu;:) 1398132;1454779972;asciilifeform;(for n00bz, lilienfeld invented transistor in the '20s) 1398133;1454779981;asciilifeform;^ but never made one 1398134;1454779997;mircea_popescu;well... guy made it alright. 1398135;1454780004;mircea_popescu;was telegraphy application 1398136;1454780006;asciilifeform;(but described in workable detail how to make, and not, e.g., davinci style) 1398137;1454780052;asciilifeform;'Although in theory Miller can claim priority, reality is more complex. As will be explained below, it is quite unlikely that either he or anyone else ever used his system for real messages; in fact, it is unclear if anyone other than he and his friends and family ever knew of its existence. That said, there are some possible links to Mauborgne. It thus remains unclear who should be credited with effectively inventing the one- 1398138;1454780052;asciilifeform;time pad.' 1398139;1454780059;asciilifeform;lulzy, very very lilienfeld. 1398140;1454780060;gernika;or perhaps this is one of those "hands of the drowning" situations. bleh. C++ here I come. 1398141;1454780076;asciilifeform;gernika: wedging ~how~ ? 1398142;1454780080;asciilifeform;what is in the logs ? 1398143;1454780090;asciilifeform;what is the behaviour ? does it respond to rpc ? 1398144;1454780094;asciilifeform;is there network traffic ? 1398145;1454780123;asciilifeform;long before you 'c++', why not try basic naked eye observations. 1398146;1454780219;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398118 << it remains a challenge to get folks to produce things to scratch your itches when you aren't the one paying. 1398147;1454780219;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 17:30:00; mircea_popescu: so - if "cryptologists" can not produce what i ask of them - their wives, to the brothel, they themselves to the mines, for fraud. 1398148;1454780244;mircea_popescu;"real messages" ? cmon. 1398149;1454780246;asciilifeform;i, for instance, would like a boeing. but it does not surprise me that boeings continue to belong to folks who pay for'em 1398150;1454780266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a difference between making a boeing for pay and making a cipher for pay. 1398151;1454780275;mircea_popescu;i can inspect other boeings that were made, including by the people that trained you. 1398152;1454780281;mircea_popescu;show me this previous work in the field. 1398153;1454780290;mircea_popescu;otherwise, cryptographer === magician. 1398154;1454780294;asciilifeform;there is none, because charlatanry. 1398155;1454780296;mircea_popescu;i'll believe you do X when i see X. 1398156;1454780297;mircea_popescu;so then. 1398157;1454780308;mircea_popescu;boeing is exactly unrelated to this. 1398158;1454780404;gernika;asciilifeform: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/debug.log - I am not sure what a useful summarization of what is in the log would be. 1398159;1454780430;asciilifeform;my point was that if you want astronomy, and all you have to work with is astrologers, the only possible thing that could ever work is a) wait 1000 years, be very patient or b) track down promising ones and cut them loose from day job assembling horoscopes 1398160;1454780441;mircea_popescu;neither a nor b. 1398161;1454780452;asciilifeform;i suppose there is c) shout into the dark 1398162;1454780455;mircea_popescu;explain the requirement, offer fame and a little fortune. that's the only one path. 1398163;1454780464;asciilifeform;l0l fortune 1398164;1454780465;gernika;asciilifeform: Since I've already shutdown the node, I can't answer your other questions at this time. I will once I've started it up again and it re-wedges (i.e. no new accepted blocks for 12+ hours) 1398165;1454780465;mircea_popescu;there's no way to extrinsically motivate astrologers to become astronomers. 1398166;1454780487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did not say 'motivate', but enable existing motivated. 1398167;1454780489;mod6;i don't think a billion units is lulzy at all. 1398168;1454780492;mircea_popescu;nope. 1398169;1454780498;mircea_popescu;and stop dreaming about the liv ing wage 1398170;1454780507;mircea_popescu;the world owes you nothing. now go die, in any manner you choose for yourself. 1398171;1454780514;mircea_popescu;no backsies, to keepsies, no "yes buts" 1398172;1454780584;mod6;gernika: be sure to capture logs. we've seen wedges in the past, and they hvae some distinct tell tale signs in the logs. 1398173;1454780618;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu laughs at warez aficionados but then wants the things he wants, to fall from the sky for phree 1398174;1454780623;mod6;also, which block was the last accepted? i.e., which block was it grinding on? 1398175;1454780652;mircea_popescu;i don't WANT anything. 1398176;1454780655;mircea_popescu;i already have otp. 1398177;1454780665;mircea_popescu;someone WANTS to be a cryptographer, THAT SOMEONE better be a cryptographer. 1398178;1454780667;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu wanted a non-otp that demonstrably doesn't suck 1398179;1454780674;mircea_popescu;otherwise, whores and miners are abundant and i couldn't care less. 1398180;1454780677;mircea_popescu;no. 1398181;1454780686;mircea_popescu;i GRACIOUSLY offered an opportunity 1398182;1454780689;mircea_popescu;let's not confuse things. 1398183;1454780701;asciilifeform;this is advanced dirigible algebra, prolly beyond my peanut brain. 1398184;1454780720;asciilifeform;i'ma let it be 1398185;1454780722;mircea_popescu;whether workable cipher materializes or not does not decide if mp is mp. 1398186;1454780731;mircea_popescu;it DOES decide whether ~anyone~ is a cryptographer or not, however. 1398187;1454780736;mircea_popescu;so that's where that sits. 1398188;1454780754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did learn a useful fact, if he had not already known it, namely that... there are not yet cryptographers 1398189;1454780806;mircea_popescu;alrighty then! 1398190;1454780835;asciilifeform;on the other hand, 'the spice must flow.' and if i hear nothing, 'g' is coming out with rsa or cramer-shoup in abusive mode. 1398191;1454780837;mircea_popescu;any time any kid grows some balls, ars is longa, well lubed and awaits. 1398192;1454780855;mircea_popescu;as we agreed, cramer-shoup with shared key is acceptable symmetric cipher. 1398193;1454780878;mircea_popescu;and i'd rather that than rsa, myself. 1398194;1454780895;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, the tiny ammt of publicity we've been doing around it pisses people off. so... 1398195;1454780975;asciilifeform;aha! 1398196;1454781040;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You gotta remember Bitcoin runs on drama. 1398197;1454781048;adlai;!s drama 1398198;1454781049;assbot;631 results for 'drama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drama 1398199;1454781059;BingoBoingo;tears > Watts 1398200;1454781064;mircea_popescu;tearwatts! 1398201;1454781109;adlai;if Watts were alive today, he'd prolly amend "the planet peoples" to "the planet Bitcoins" 1398202;1454781117;mircea_popescu;so for everyone watching : s.nsa will be doing double month report next month ; s.mpoe will be filing later today. 1398203;1454781149;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398158 << this log does not, unfortunately, shed any light. 1398204;1454781149;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 17:40:04; gernika: asciilifeform: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/debug.log - I am not sure what a useful summarization of what is in the log would be. 1398205;1454781167;asciilifeform;(no signs of 'blackhole', and node died peacefully) 1398206;1454781176;mircea_popescu;gernika may be describing the blackhole thing ? 1398207;1454781181;asciilifeform;not as per his log. 1398208;1454781185;mircea_popescu;ah k 1398209;1454781197;asciilifeform;also in the future, folks plz post last 1M max 1398210;1454781201;asciilifeform;rather than 100M turd 1398211;1454781332;mircea_popescu;10k really would do in most cases 1398212;1454781337;asciilifeform;1k. 1398213;1454781351;asciilifeform;generally, we are interested in the moment of truth. 1398214;1454781389;mircea_popescu;mod6> i don't think a billion units is lulzy at all. << what is this re ? 1398215;1454781416;ben_vulpes;cramer shoup + shared key does not reduce to...otp? 1398216;1454781444;*;ben_vulpes not even qualified to ask questions about this probably 1398217;1454781463;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: otp is a particular very specific thing 1398218;1454781464;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nope 1398219;1454781479;asciilifeform;where 1 key bit is used, precisely once, to encipher 1 bit of plaintext into 1 bit of ciphertext. 1398220;1454781485;asciilifeform;(typically via xor operation) 1398221;1454781520;ben_vulpes;and the need to share the key does not impose the same operational considerations as otp? 1398222;1454781552;mircea_popescu;in the EP? general scheme of true cryptography, otp occupies a peculiar spot, equivalent to rsa's use of multiplication, where otp uses "multiplication modulo 1" or "multiplication in the binary group" for a function 1398223;1454781576;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes all symmetric ciphers share the key. 1398224;1454781579;mircea_popescu;that's why they're symmetric. 1398225;1454781624;ben_vulpes;what does c-s buy one over the otp in that case? 1398226;1454781624;mod6;mircea_popescu: the reward for the Block Cipher contest 1398227;1454781663;mircea_popescu;mod6 ah. well... negotiable insturment, you know. everyone values it as he values it. there's not exactly a dearth of offerings - notably the reward to prove qmail is buggy was 500. knuth's rewards are a dollar and change., etc 1398228;1454781674;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes otp key as long as message. 1398229;1454781675;BingoBoingo;Seriously now, there's people paid to believe warez doesn't lead to innovation. 1398230;1454781775;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397800 << aha. 1398231;1454781775;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 15:31:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397691 << fpga fabric. as i described maybe 1,001 times. 1398232;1454781776;ben_vulpes;hm 1398233;1454781791;punkman;is there a decent otp implementation? 1398234;1454781828;BingoBoingo;otp implementation is as good as your random 1398235;1454781839;BingoBoingo;And your one-timedness 1398236;1454781857;mircea_popescu;punkman well one bash line would do it. 1398237;1454781880;mircea_popescu;but yes, otp on top of prng is asking for trouble. 1398238;1454781910;BingoBoingo;Once you have pad, can be done by hand 1398239;1454781911;punkman;gotta have something to remember how much of the otp has been used 1398240;1454781912;mircea_popescu;the whole power of the scheme comes from "everything's equally likely". yet if everything's not equally likely... 1398241;1454781935;BingoBoingo; gotta have something to remember how much of the otp has been used << burn the used pages of your cipherbook 1398242;1454781942;mircea_popescu;for instance, consider the naive situation where you take 1mb worth of debug.log, and xor it against 1mb of perfect noise. 1398243;1454781956;mircea_popescu;i will then proceed to count the As and the Ws and break your thing to a large degree. 1398244;1454781974;mircea_popescu;esp since i know plenty of strings likely to appear in the plaintext. 1398245;1454781980;punkman;mircea_popescu: wut 1398246;1454782001;mircea_popescu;do the experiment for yourself, it's really a great entry thing into cryptanalysis. 1398247;1454782014;mircea_popescu;to be studied in pairs, one kid makes the scheme, the other kid breaks the scheme, then alternate positions. 1398248;1454782039;punkman;does perfect noise random noise? 1398249;1454782053;mircea_popescu;perfect noise = all items have exact same probability to appear. 1398250;1454782075;mircea_popescu;you're doing (items have varying, known probabilities to appear) xor (all items have same probability to appear). 1398251;1454782089;mircea_popescu;the necessary result is (different items have same varying, known probabilities to appear as in the plaintext) 1398252;1454782117;mircea_popescu;this is fundamental instruction in the importance of.... large block sizes. 1398253;1454782136;BingoBoingo;The letter 'e' problem 1398254;1454782142;mircea_popescu;was also a penguin linked here recently, same idea. 1398255;1454782232;mircea_popescu;and yes as noted by alf the "pill" for this fundamental problem is to make sure that message length stays well under statistical sample. 1398256;1454782236;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 1398257;1454782243;BingoBoingo; was also a penguin linked here recently, same idea. << Problem of using block cipher as code book 1398258;1454782292;BingoBoingo;https://blog.filippo.io/the-ecb-penguin/ 1398259;1454782294;assbot;The ECB Penguin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RdlYvh ) 1398260;1454782296;mircea_popescu;the correct way to apply otp to something like human readable text is to weigh it. 1398261;1454782310;mircea_popescu;this is an operation very close to compression, a sort of crypto-lzw. 1398262;1454782357;BingoBoingo;https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/POP-xsmall.png << Now with moar art 1398263;1454782358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rdm6Ld ) 1398264;1454782727;punkman;perfect noise = all items have exact same probability to appear. << do 0 and 1s not have same probability to appear in random bitstring? 1398265;1454782771;mircea_popescu;punkman "items" is used there deliberately, to scale with the size of the block you use. 1398266;1454782848;punkman;well say items are bits 1398267;1454782875;mircea_popescu;let's work with a very simple example. suppose we use two bits, and suppose the plaintext is as follows : 00 appears 1 case out of 8 ; 01 appears 2 cases out of 8 ; 10 appears 4 cases out of 8 and 11 appears one case out of 8. 1+1+2+4=8. 1398268;1454782924;mircea_popescu;now, those 4 cases out of 8 of "10" have equal chances to meet 00, 01, 10, and 11. as a result you will see : 1398269;1454782936;mircea_popescu;10 in 1 case out of 16 ; etc. 1398270;1454782965;mircea_popescu;this is actually usable to describe a lot of the plain text, and exponentially more so when i know that debug.log tends to contain a lot of "connection" strings. 1398271;1454783192;punkman;this sounds like you want to do frequency analysis on otp, but perhaps I'm just thick 1398272;1454783217;mircea_popescu;right. 1398273;1454783303;mircea_popescu;to be plainer : otp works better with biased pad of unknown bias than with unbiased pad of known lack of bias. 1398274;1454783396;punkman;biased otp??? 1398275;1454783467;mircea_popescu;understand : if you collect say 1024 random bits, the chances of seeing 512 1s and 512 0s are < 1% 1398276;1454783553;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398069 << my account was created when you needed a college email address to register, and I can tell you it was never cool. I'm pretty sure I got more use out of livejournal even 1398277;1454783553;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 16:59:13; mircea_popescu: then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool. 1398278;1454783565;mircea_popescu;a ok then. 1398279;1454783600;danielpbarron;and yes asciilifeform i know what gpu is, just saying there are some fun games for touch devices 1398280;1454783640;fluffypony;I'm basically addicted to Asphalt 8 1398281;1454783732;danielpbarron;if it works as a board game it probably works on a touch screen, is probably a good general rule 1398282;1454784324;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1394833 << obligatory otp megathread 1398283;1454784324;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 01:53:21; asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp. 1398284;1454784349;asciilifeform;for education of n00bz, i will briefly elaborate here. 1398285;1454784352;punkman;isn't compressing your otp akin to whitening? 1398286;1454784361;asciilifeform;punkman: you can't compress random crud 1398287;1454784361;mircea_popescu;punkman compressing the plaintext, not the otp. 1398288;1454784369;mircea_popescu;that;'s the idea there, exactly. 1398289;1454784383;asciilifeform;there are several possible ways to die when otp 1398290;1454784388;punkman;you can't do frequency analysis on otp 1398291;1454784397;asciilifeform;one is to ~ever, for any reason~ reuse any portion of the pad. 1398292;1454784413;asciilifeform;(see, e.g., famously the 'venona' case) 1398293;1454784427;asciilifeform;another is to have anything other than a true physical rng generating the pad. 1398294;1454784436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technically speaking, the s-box cipher crapolade is an ellaborate exercise in reusingselect parts of otp 1398295;1454784443;mircea_popescu;since they all use xor. 1398296;1454784453;mircea_popescu;this alone should show they're deeply inadequate, but who knows fundamentals anymore. 1398297;1454784460;asciilifeform;yet another is to have the pad surreptitiously copied by the enemy 1398298;1454784468;asciilifeform;or captured, and then funkspieled 1398299;1454784475;asciilifeform;(the latter is a common concern in all crypto) 1398300;1454784548;asciilifeform;ergo the linked thread, where i posit that an ideal otp is actually a physical object which brings the bits somehow into existence one at a time 1398301;1454784564;asciilifeform;(but, the hard part, same one on both ends 1398302;1454784565;asciilifeform;) 1398303;1454784571;mircea_popescu;there is another way to die using otp, and that way is to use a lengthy biased message the enemy knows most of. 1398304;1454784585;asciilifeform;not so. 1398305;1454784591;mircea_popescu;if i know you will be encrypting one of shakespeare's plays, otp won't save you. 1398306;1454784596;asciilifeform;an actual otp conveys no information whatsoever via the ciphertext. 1398307;1454784599;mircea_popescu;i'll find out which one, probabilistically. 1398308;1454784603;asciilifeform;no. 1398309;1454784608;asciilifeform;because they are all equally probable. 1398310;1454784614;punkman;you would find infinite texts that make sense 1398311;1454784661;asciilifeform;think about it. the ciphertext conveys LITERALLY NO information without the key. 1398312;1454784674;mircea_popescu;they aren't all equally probable if i can rely on your otp being random. 1398313;1454784680;mircea_popescu;because they are long, and structured. 1398314;1454784704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think about it, with otp, there is no reason for you to actually intercept the ciphertext 1398315;1454784716;asciilifeform;you can guess the message just as easily with telepathy, at home. 1398316;1454784744;mircea_popescu;are you paying me 10 btc if we do this experiment and i do guess it, "with telepathy, at home" ? 1398317;1454784744;asciilifeform;the ciphertext literally tells you nothing useful, other than an upper bound for the length 1398318;1454784755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: specify the experiment ? 1398319;1454784766;asciilifeform;also try randi first, he pays 1M usd 1398320;1454784787;asciilifeform;telepaths - straight to j. randi, plox 1398321;1454784788;mircea_popescu;you pick one of two lengthy, structured plaintexts i provide, you encrypt them with a biasless, purely random rng, and i decide which of the two you picked. 1398322;1454784824;punkman;should add some btc to challenge :) 1398323;1454784838;asciilifeform;i see where mircea_popescu is going 1398324;1454784841;mircea_popescu;punkman why, he didn't feel obliged to add any btc to the other one, just bitch about the insufficiency of the sum. 1398325;1454784858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny how money clears the mind, even if it's too little to mention. 1398326;1454784871;asciilifeform;specifying wtf you're doing, clears the mind 1398327;1454784882;punkman;so you'd be able to pick the right message more than 50% of the time? 1398328;1454784886;mircea_popescu;yes. 1398329;1454784902;mircea_popescu;if you're making 1 mb of 01111110 and 1mb of 10000001 and then otp them against a random pad 1398330;1454784911;mircea_popescu;you'll fucking see which one is encrypted in five minutes. 1398331;1454785019;asciilifeform;actually this contradicts the xor lemma. 1398332;1454785036;mircea_popescu;yeah i misstared it. 1398333;1454785052;mircea_popescu;the examples given are not structured and readily reduce to "1" and "0", so no, it wouldn't work here. 1398334;1454785054;mircea_popescu;nevertheless! 1398335;1454785063;asciilifeform;in the original challenge it does also. 1398336;1454785090;asciilifeform;let's put it this way, 1398337;1454785103;asciilifeform;xoring the bits does not preserve their statistical distribution. 1398338;1454785112;asciilifeform;(when xoring against properly random string) 1398339;1454785149;asciilifeform;just as in the old thread where we demonstrate that trng XOR hitler's rng is still trng. 1398340;1454785163;asciilifeform;so long as the latter has no feedback from the former 1398341;1454785173;asciilifeform;(i.e. they are independent streams) 1398342;1454785192;asciilifeform;still want to play ? 1398343;1454785455;mircea_popescu;let me put it this way : stuff like CRC, or ECC etc, exists fundamentally out of "we guarantee you can recover the plaintext after it has been otp'd with a pad which is AT LEAST this biased" 1398344;1454785475;mircea_popescu;how biased the otp needs to be is part of the crc spec, for instance "every 8th bit may be a 1" etc. 1398345;1454785502;asciilifeform;this is basic theory per shannon. 1398346;1454785507;asciilifeform;those 'bits' are still 'in there.' 1398347;1454785508;mircea_popescu;but in general, if you do away with the requirement to recover ALL of the plaintext, 1398348;1454785522;mircea_popescu;and if the plaintext is long enough, this is equivalent to a requirement of minimal bias in the otp pad. 1398349;1454785528;asciilifeform;my contention is that in your case 'recover' == guess. 1398350;1454785545;asciilifeform;if you would like to specify this game in a way that doesn't reduce to gambling on coin flips, i will play. 1398351;1454785547;asciilifeform;for 10 b. even. 1398352;1454785653;thestringpuller;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/0MGQE6P.txt 1398353;1454785653;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1398354;1454785694;asciilifeform;i will ~happily~ play with mircea_popescu if he insists on betting against arithmetic... 1398355;1454785715;asciilifeform;(perhaps he is trying to teach us something ?) 1398356;1454785717;mircea_popescu;you don't see the crc discussion sufficient for our purposes ? 1398357;1454785728;asciilifeform;nope. because i read shannon. 1398358;1454785758;asciilifeform;crc is built to survive a small fixed percentage (typically 1 in 9) of flipped bits. 1398359;1454785759;asciilifeform;not ALL. 1398360;1454785772;asciilifeform;but why beat the horse? i'm willing to play ! 1398361;1454785840;asciilifeform;who wants to referee ? jurov ? kakobrekla ? 1398362;1454785846;mircea_popescu;well, alrighty. can't turn down free moneyz. 1398363;1454785850;mircea_popescu;why does there have to be a referee ? 1398364;1454785853;punkman;mp makes 2 plaintexts, ascii generates 1000 otps, for each otp: picks one of the 2 plaintexts and xors with otp. mp must guess guess correctly 501?, 600? more? 1398365;1454785862;mircea_popescu;one. 1398366;1454785913;asciilifeform;wai wut 1398367;1454785930;mircea_popescu;it really needn't be done over more than one try lol. srsly ? 1k ? 1398368;1454785938;asciilifeform;i'm not playing flippsies 1398369;1454785951;asciilifeform;gotta be a statistically standing result. 1398370;1454785967;mircea_popescu;so basically we'll never know ? 1398371;1454785976;asciilifeform;as in, he gets, say, 700 out of 1000 1398372;1454785982;mircea_popescu;mk, ima bbl see if i can hack together something that satisfies the audience theoretically. 1398373;1454785997;asciilifeform;(and it goes without saying that the plaintexts must be same length) 1398374;1454786008;thestringpuller;and this is what #b-a is the most amazing channel on freenode 1398375;1454786008;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1398376;1454786020;punkman;asciilifeform: why, would padding be a problem? 1398377;1454786044;asciilifeform;punkman: not problem, but must specify this, otherwise somebody wins/loses on an idiot technicality that teachs nothing 1398378;1454786053;asciilifeform;same length bitstrings. 1398379;1454786067;asciilifeform;otherwise can immediately decode 'which one' based on length. 1398380;1454786092;punkman;well obvs 1398381;1454786103;asciilifeform;anyway i will play if experiment is specified such that mircea_popescu has 100:1 or less odds of winning based on pure guessing ('telepathy') 1398382;1454786104;punkman;but even if you pad with all 0s, works 1398383;1454786112;asciilifeform;sure. 1398384;1454786137;thestringpuller;place your bitbets! 1398385;1454786140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice that this isn't "wins/loses". you're just giving 10 btc away, on the if. 1398386;1454786153;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the if 1398387;1454786181;mircea_popescu;that i guess your message. which i suppose necessarily carries the caveat that "must not be by chance", 1398388;1454786190;mircea_popescu;which is why ima try and show it theoretically. 1398389;1454786194;asciilifeform;the way i read it, the 'if' is whether mircea_popescu can demonstrate convincingly higher than chance guessatronics. 1398390;1454786198;mircea_popescu;yes. 1398391;1454786213;asciilifeform;aha so same rules as randi. 1398392;1454786221;punkman;if you want to do 1, must have 1000 plaintexts instead 1398393;1454786233;asciilifeform;no good. 1398394;1454786236;punkman;why not 1398395;1454786236;asciilifeform;otp doesn't get reused. 1398396;1454786237;asciilifeform;ever. 1398397;1454786243;asciilifeform;no two xors with one motherfucking bit. 1398398;1454786246;asciilifeform;this is not how otp is used. 1398399;1454786248;punkman;you pick one of 1000 plaintexts, generate one otp 1398400;1454786259;asciilifeform;one otp bit, one xor. 1398401;1454786280;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten material. 1398402;1454786418;punkman;well not in kindergarten, but I did play this game on paper once 1398403;1454786460;asciilifeform;if there is one otp key, and it gets used two or more times, with mircea_popescu controlling the input and knowing anything whatsoever about the output, he learns the key trivially. 1398404;1454786479;mircea_popescu;well no not that. 1398405;1454786483;asciilifeform;and anyway that was not the proposed game (because it would not be the least bit interesting) 1398406;1454786579;punkman;I meant instead of doing 100 iterations of guess between 2 plaintexts, one iteration of guessing between 100 plaintexts 1398407;1454786611;asciilifeform;that he gives me, and i xor over, and give back ? 1398408;1454786621;punkman;yeah 1398409;1454786622;asciilifeform;works 1398410;1454786633;asciilifeform;if they are all of length L. 1398411;1454786674;asciilifeform;(and L, trivially, is 7 bits or more.) 1398412;1454786713;punkman;mp could choose padding rule if he doesn't want equal length 1398413;1454786714;asciilifeform;but in practice longer, because they must be N ~distinct~ strings 1398414;1454786724;asciilifeform;punkman: this reduces to 'same length' 1398415;1454786732;asciilifeform;and i'm lazy, he will have to pad'em himself. 1398416;1454786868;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : Let message A consist of individual bytes counting down from FFFFFFFF ; let message B consist of individual bytes counting up from 00000000. Let the enemy xor one of these two against a random, unbiased OTP of the same length and supply the enciphered result. Take that result, and count the instances where byte n is larger than byte n+1. Take that result, and count the instances where byte n is larger t 1398417;1454786868;mircea_popescu;han byte n-1. The larger of the two indicates the message encrypted ; the difference between these counts indicate your confidence (or the rng's bias). 1398418;1454786870;mircea_popescu;how about that. 1398419;1454786889;asciilifeform;so, for this variant of game, algo would be 1) mircea_popescu generates his string set, signs, deedbots; 2) i xor'em, sign, deedbot at first only the signature; 3) i post one of the xor'ed strings 4) he telepathies which one 5) i reveal my hand, which is the tarball in step 2 6) if he wins, i lose 10b, or vice-versa 1398420;1454786959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can use whatever alchemy you like... 1398421;1454786982;mircea_popescu;o.O 1398422;1454786985;asciilifeform;you are still playing against the xor lemma. 1398423;1454787008;punkman;http://crypto.stackexchange.com/search?q=many+time+pad popular homework question apparently 1398424;1454787009;assbot;Posts containing 'many time pad' - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pe9gKa ) 1398425;1454787009;asciilifeform;(i will happily collect the win in its stead, like that fool wanted to collect nobel for satoshi!11) 1398426;1454787023;mircea_popescu;lol wait, collect wut ? 1398427;1454787069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the output bits - the lot of them - is necessarily as entropic as my key. 1398428;1454787078;asciilifeform;think about it. 1398429;1454787112;asciilifeform;work it on paper. the plaintext (payload), in xor operation, merely flips the key bit. 1398430;1454787118;asciilifeform;(or doesn't flip.) 1398431;1454787123;asciilifeform;it cannot create pattern. 1398432;1454787132;mircea_popescu;for the very reason that it can't create pattern, 1398433;1454787136;mircea_popescu;it also can't destroy it! 1398434;1454787153;mircea_popescu;long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp. 1398435;1454787157;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu want a free 10b or not. 1398436;1454787207;mircea_popescu;ok i guess ima have to figure out some way to hm. hey asciilifeform , how about this deal : i pay you 10 btc of my eventual winnings, should they exist, but you make the messages and show the result. i dun have a compiler ready and nfi how you generate the described messages in bash 1398437;1454787260;asciilifeform;see earlier recipe ('variant of game') 1398438;1454787279;mircea_popescu;ok, brb. 1398439;1454787299;asciilifeform;it has to be with mircea_popescu generating the magic strings, because this is how he said he will carry out the telepathy - by selecting specially-crafted biased input. 1398440;1454787310;mircea_popescu;kk. 1398441;1454787311;asciilifeform;(this bias, somehow, against xor lemma, surivives xoring.) 1398442;1454787341;asciilifeform;i will suggest a handy recipe: 1398443;1454787372;asciilifeform;1) mircea_popescu generates 100 files, 1MB (1024^2 byte) in length each. gzips, signs, deedbots. 1398444;1454787396;asciilifeform;2) i xor over each of them with 1MB from a cardano rng. 1398445;1454787417;mircea_popescu;yeh im doing it. 1398446;1454787430;asciilifeform;3) i select one of these, sign, and send to jurov or kakobrekla or somebody, referee 1398447;1454787439;asciilifeform;4) mircea_popescu tells me which of the 100 it was. 1398448;1454787448;mircea_popescu;can just deedbot the result. 1398449;1454787454;punkman;other variant: ascii makes 100 otps, makes 100 plaintexts, X of which are the string "mircea_popescu: long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp.", then passes 100 ciphertexts to mp. mp must guess X withing some range. 1398450;1454787459;mircea_popescu;wait, what 100 files. i generate 2 files. 1398451;1454787460;asciilifeform;then we just learn that mircea_popescu can break sha! 1398452;1454787461;mircea_popescu;dude wtf. 1398453;1454787470;asciilifeform;this was punkman's variant 1398454;1454787476;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu generates two files, we're playing coinflipsies 1398455;1454787483;asciilifeform;and that's no fun at all 1398456;1454787493;mircea_popescu;you can make as many otps as you want, it's still coming out the same way o.O 1398457;1454787495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has to demonstrate greater-than-chance telepathics 1398458;1454787515;asciilifeform;if we play with 1 set of alternatives, he has 50% chance of guessing it. 1398459;1454787568;asciilifeform;gotta play with either my original scheme - N sets of 2-pronged - or punkman's - N files. 1398460;1454787578;asciilifeform;demonstrates significance above chance. 1398461;1454787583;punkman;the third variant is also ok I think 1398462;1454787592;asciilifeform;what's the 3rd ? 1398463;1454787656;punkman;mp must guess how many of the 100 ciphertexts are made from the string ""mircea_popescu: long, deeply biased plaintexts are dangerous for otp."" 1398464;1454787735;asciilifeform;vs what 1398465;1454787784;punkman;I guess every other string can be all 0s 1398466;1454787798;punkman;*all the other strings 1398467;1454787841;asciilifeform;'how many' or 'which ones' ? 1398468;1454787845;punkman;you'd choose 1398469;1454787869;asciilifeform;this is then exactly isomorphic to my original. 1398470;1454788205;asciilifeform;incidentally, the main reason i'd like a referee, is so that everybody knows that my random 'pads' were generated independently of mircea_popescu's challenge strings. 1398471;1454788333;asciilifeform;(and that they were, hence, not crafted specifically to bulldoze whatever magical pattern he put in his strings) 1398472;1454788461;asciilifeform;i invite the curious log reader to play the game mircea_popescu proposed with single bits, with a friend 1398473;1454788463;asciilifeform;that is, with coin flips 1398474;1454788471;asciilifeform;to see how ludicrous the proposition is 1398475;1454788587;asciilifeform;the mircea_popescu side of the game can only be won if 1) rng is biased 2) he knows how 1398476;1454788844;asciilifeform;imagine you find a coin on the street. 1398477;1454788856;asciilifeform;to say that its previous state had any bearing on the face it is showing when you find it, 1398478;1454788866;asciilifeform;suggests that you can magically tell its entire history of flips 1398479;1454788887;asciilifeform;unless you are a telapath, there is nothing useful you can say about a bit which was flipped with probability 0.5. 1398480;1454788908;asciilifeform;*telepath 1398481;1454788932;asciilifeform;this is elementary, and if mircea_popescu comes back and tells us that he had been drinking, i will believe him, and happily forget the whole thing. 1398482;1454788982;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1398483;1454789704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : here we go 1398484;1454789705;mircea_popescu;total 65500 bytes in each message. 1398485;1454789705;mircea_popescu;assay 1 : count 32734 / 32743. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. 1398486;1454789705;mircea_popescu;assay 2 : count 32778 / 32775. expected 1st lower than 2nd. infirmed. 1398487;1454789705;mircea_popescu;assay 3: count 32959 / 32964. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. 1398488;1454789705;mircea_popescu;assay 4 : count 32810 / 32814. expected 1st lower than 2nd. confirmed. 1398489;1454789709;mircea_popescu;3 out of 4 good enough for you ? 1398490;1454789754;mircea_popescu;im too lazy to really run mb length messages etc. 1398491;1454789836;mircea_popescu;(i used mt_rand, whatever that's worth) 1398492;1454790027;asciilifeform;what am i looking at ? 1398493;1454790056;mircea_popescu;the method described above, one plaintext counts up one counts down. 1398494;1454790101;asciilifeform;all i see is that mircea_popescu won 32 games of coin-toss with himself. 1398495;1454790110;asciilifeform;16, rather 1398496;1454790121;mircea_popescu;well no, 4 games of 65500 bytes each x 2 messages 1398497;1454790194;asciilifeform;consider posting the code ? 1398498;1454790494;asciilifeform;i'ma writin' my own, brb 1398499;1454790571;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/otp.php for the bored 1398500;1454790725;mircea_popescu;now, 64kb aren't that much, and the structure chosen is literally the simplest thing available for ease of implementation. nevertheless, a little DOES leak even so. 1398501;1454790794;asciilifeform;as i said, writing own, brb 1398502;1454790878;punkman;what's the point of public otp 1398503;1454790921;mircea_popescu;so you can verify the program works correctly 1398504;1454790943;mircea_popescu;first plaintext counts up from 1 ; the 2nd counts down from 65535 1398505;1454790981;mircea_popescu;thus nth position in otp xor nth position in ciphered a must yield n and in ciphered b must yield 65535-n 1398506;1454791020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is looking at his rng bias. 1398507;1454791054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform otp bias cheifly doesn't matter here, as the same otp is delibverately used for both messages. 1398508;1454791142;asciilifeform;it sure as fuck matters. 1398509;1454791149;asciilifeform;or you could just skip the otp alltogether 1398510;1454791162;mircea_popescu;looky : otp bias, message bias, same fucking story. 1398511;1454791173;mircea_popescu;bias xor no bias = no bias xor bias. 1398512;1454791203;mircea_popescu;which was the original fucking point that ended up in all this weird. 1398513;1454791217;asciilifeform;(bias) xor (no bias) == (no bias). 1398514;1454791221;asciilifeform;which is the xor lemma. 1398515;1454791248;mircea_popescu;= less bias. 1398516;1454791251;asciilifeform;mno. 1398517;1454791263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu finds a coin on the sidewalk. 1398518;1454791272;asciilifeform;can he say what the ~previous~ flip was ? 1398519;1454791273;mircea_popescu;i had no fucking idea the notion that you're supposed to debias plaintext before otping it is even controversial. 1398520;1454791274;asciilifeform;why not ? 1398521;1454791297;punkman;it is controversial 1398522;1454791305;asciilifeform;^ 1398523;1454791323;mircea_popescu;cuz i don't know ~everything~, obviously. 1398524;1454791337;asciilifeform;i realize that it cries against every mathematical intuition, but with correctly functioning otp, it makes not a whit of difference what your plaintext is. 1398525;1454791348;mircea_popescu;are we confusing entropy and bias here ? 1398526;1454791356;punkman;you can't get the bitmap penguin after otp 1398527;1454791366;asciilifeform;aha. punkman gets it. 1398528;1454791501;asciilifeform;funnily enough, last year there was some derp who shat into mircea_popescu's comment section with 'otp doesn't work because rng might burp out N zeros and then what' 1398529;1454791509;mircea_popescu;let me try a different aprpoach, maybe that's more comprehensible. 1398530;1454791516;asciilifeform;but for some reason mircea_popescu understood why this is lunacy, ~then~, but not now? 1398531;1454791595;asciilifeform;(answer, for the thick, is that your rng, if it works correctly, is EXACTLY as likely to shit out a string that xors yours to 'kill stalin at midnight with table leg' as an equivalent length string of zeros, or any other.) 1398532;1454791634;mircea_popescu;your bias-less rng shits out n/2 ones. they go against a message containing 3/4n ones. they will flip n/2 items in the message, 3/4 of which being 1s and 1/4 being 0s. you thus end up with 3/8 old ones + 1/8 ex-zeroes for a grand total of exactly 1/2 whoa. 1398533;1454791639;mircea_popescu;da fuck. 1398534;1454791652;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahahaha 1398535;1454791670;asciilifeform;what did mircea_popescu ~think~ would happen here. 1398536;1454791689;asciilifeform;!b 4 1398537;1454791691;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09XJYNZ.txt ) 1398538;1454791691;mircea_popescu;NEVERMIND 1398539;1454791703;asciilifeform;l0l 1398540;1454791706;mircea_popescu;lol 1398541;1454791734;asciilifeform;still wanna play ? mircea_popescu can put the 10 in snsa piggy, if he wishes. or we can let the matter rest. 1398542;1454791752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the whole result here is that ~your~ 10 btc can wait for a better day. 1398543;1454791761;asciilifeform;sure, sure, l0lz 1398544;1454791803;*;asciilifeform polishes imaginary brass 'Arithmetik mit uns' button 1398545;1454791823;mircea_popescu;lol 1398546;1454791862;*;asciilifeform his work here done, off to pet pet. 1398547;1454791941;*;mircea_popescu goes to direct men at work in different field now, having satisfactorily brought his contribution here. 1398548;1454791957;danielpbarron;math : the ultimate aphrodisiac ? 1398549;1454792125;punkman;/me goes look for otp-compatible MAC scheme 1398550;1454794317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4638 @ 0.00056542 = 2.6224 BTC [+] 1398551;1454797616;mircea_popescu;!up jixei 1398552;1454797723;mircea_popescu;;;google B,TMSR~ 1398553;1454797723;gribble;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; China's TMSR Program Presenter: ; Letter to Morgen E. Peck, freelance writer | Contravex: A blog by ...: "and enough statistics to place myself at the top of the bell curve" <<< haha good one. 1398643;1454810008;mircea_popescu;shinohai <<< am I only person that thinks this is a horrible idea? << i can't discern what the idea is supposed to be. glorified vps ? 9.95 a month sorta deal. 1398644;1454810040;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's pretty flattering, in honesty. look at all the things i have time to do in a day! 1398645;1454810057;mircea_popescu;a bit like how well traveled washington was. fucker slept in all beds ever found in new england. 1398646;1454810279;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a95fe147aad2fc835bdf3710567b1c38/tumblr_nrqscruWPc1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1398647;1454810280;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23Qwyxd ) 1398648;1454810646;mircea_popescu;!up archStanton 1398649;1454810726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00057042 = 14.0894 BTC [+] {3} 1398650;1454811630;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is this return to copying of loglines instead of referencing the log an attempt to make life easier for the future archaeologists by not polluting the global threadspace? 1398651;1454811660;mircea_popescu;nah, dpeends if i load from log. webpage or from the scrollback 1398652;1454811676;mircea_popescu;i'd have thought the referencing is easier 1398653;1454811723;ben_vulpes;sure 1398654;1454811772;ben_vulpes;thought it might've indicated some difference in threads for archival/archaeology and emphemera 1398655;1454812190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00055324 = 19.64 BTC [-] 1398656;1454813105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00055735 = 13.1535 BTC [+] 1398657;1454813410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00055735 = 2.0622 BTC [+] 1398658;1454813551;ben_vulpes;http://b-a.shithouse.tv/ 1398659;1454813552;assbot;b-a ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5SNce ) 1398660;1454813654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3970 @ 0.000552 = 2.1914 BTC [-] {3} 1398661;1454813710;danielpbarron;what in the .. who made that? 1398662;1454813760;ben_vulpes;who could ever know 1398663;1454813778;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: do you also try to find where the pictures on tumblr come from? 1398664;1454813946;danielpbarron;well they don't come with 'b-a' in the name with content about blockchains 1398665;1454813959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00055057 = 24.3903 BTC [-] {3} 1398666;1454814015;ben_vulpes;http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-01-14/wall-street-s-straight-man-in-washington unrelolzted 1398667;1454814017;assbot;Wall Street’s Straight Man in Washington - Bloomberg Politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5TkuN ) 1398668;1454814032;ben_vulpes;"In Washington, the committee is known as the ATM, because banks and hedge funds shower the chairman with contributions." 1398669;1454814203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24484 @ 0.00055179 = 13.51 BTC [+] {2} 1398670;1454814386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22929 @ 0.00055734 = 12.7792 BTC [+] {2} 1398671;1454814465;ben_vulpes;today in imgurlols: "Unknown file type application/octet-stream" 1398672;1454814813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00055979 = 16.9057 BTC [+] {2} 1398673;1454815129;ben_vulpes;one for shinohai: http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt1itiWyRx1r31wtyo1_500.jpg 1398674;1454815133;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5UXIJ ) 1398675;1454815484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13744 @ 0.0005598 = 7.6939 BTC [+] 1398676;1454815912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.0005598 = 9.6006 BTC [+] 1398677;1454815977;mircea_popescu;four! http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_magwsowhhO1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1398678;1454815978;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5VQBb ) 1398679;1454816001;ben_vulpes;i count...six? 1398680;1454816008;mircea_popescu;that's before the otp. 1398681;1454816025;mircea_popescu;anyway, matching tops and curtains' gotta be some new sort of win. 1398682;1454816723;phf;asciilifeform: nobody gives a shit re unpaid leave << maybe when begged for day at a time, but try taking a week of unpaid leave ~explicitly~ for vacation, and you're going to find yourself in "conversation" with hr pretty fast. putting that in contract is even trickier. it's a control issue, first and foremost 1398683;1454816723;phf; 1398684;1454816888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39376 @ 0.0005598 = 22.0427 BTC [+] 1398685;1454817039;ben_vulpes;all i care about is some warning 1398686;1454817042;ben_vulpes;proportional to the time off 1398687;1454817619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00055999 = 11.0878 BTC [+] {2} 1398688;1454817919;*;adlai is qntring up the impending diff increase, adding statistics about the "fee market"; any specific requests/suggestions? 1398689;1454818037;adlai;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, et al ^ 1398690;1454818093;adlai;;;bc,stats 1398691;1454818096;gribble;Current Blocks: 397149 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 2 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 minutes and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1398692;1454818226;adlai;hmm, this is a bit confusing of gribble: block #397151 still uses the same difficulty. it determines the next difficulty, but the first block using the new diff is 397152 1398693;1454818383;ben_vulpes;adlai: just out of curiosity, do you have historical mempool data? 1398694;1454818424;adlai;kinda sorta http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1043341 1398695;1454818424;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:14:45; mike_c: mm, not quite. because order book could have been better than price history at times 1398696;1454818435;adlai;(the relevant bits are the "mm, not quite") 1398697;1454818466;adlai;ultimately, it doesn't matter in quite a similar manner to how past orderbook data doesn't matter 1398698;1454818534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24352 @ 0.00056325 = 13.7163 BTC [+] 1398699;1454818568;adlai;ben_vulpes: you can scrape several months from https://bitcoinfees.github.io/#1d 1398700;1454818569;assbot;Bitcoin Fee Estimation ... ( http://bit.ly/1nQk7AH ) 1398701;1454818574;adlai;but it's not raw data 1398702;1454818890;ben_vulpes;myeah. 1398703;1454818900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22386 @ 0.00056471 = 12.6416 BTC [+] 1398704;1454818961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38502 @ 0.00056824 = 21.8784 BTC [+] {4} 1398705;1454820242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20792 @ 0.00056822 = 11.8144 BTC [-] {3} 1398706;1454820303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00056109 = 8.22 BTC [-] {4} 1398707;1454820824;mircea_popescu;and in posteriority news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx6c3vAPiZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1398708;1454820826;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHXtoU ) 1398709;1454820913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00057042 = 13.0626 BTC [+] {2} 1398710;1454821311;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1398711;1454821523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51773 @ 0.00056966 = 29.493 BTC [-] {4} 1398712;1454821622;mircea_popescu;"Beginning on October 3 and continuing through December 18, 2015, an unknown party accessed without authorization two cloud providers used by Gyft. This unknown party was able to view or download certain Gyft user information stored with these cloud providers and make a file containing some of that user information. 1398713;1454821623;mircea_popescu;What Information Was Involved? 1398714;1454821623;mircea_popescu;The information potentially accessed from the cloud providers included names, addresses, dates of birth, phone numbers, email addresses, and gift card numbers. Gift card numbers could have been used to make unauthorized purchases." 1398715;1454821623;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398627 << precisely reactor crank - so that you ~are conscious~ of what you are doing! 1398716;1454821623;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 00:25:13; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: if pressing is intended to be curated by patch selection in the patches dir, seals in the sealsdir and keys in the wotdir, why does "press" need to take a head? 1398717;1454821624;mircea_popescu;herp. 1398718;1454821733;ben_vulpes;ascii_rear: ah. 1398719;1454821778;mircea_popescu;and in random tardstalk craft, "Stop posting that I am a scam or it is simple I can have my lawyer visit your site and send you a size and assist letter not to be slandering." 1398720;1454821780;ben_vulpes;i don't see how this is anything other than busy work, if i'm to curate the patchdir for presses anyways. 1398721;1454821799;ben_vulpes;perhaps though i would jump out of a plane with a mispacked parachute? 1398722;1454821833;mircea_popescu;"by the looks of you, you already did" 1398723;1454821847;ben_vulpes;plz no bully :( 1398724;1454821850;mircea_popescu;lol k. 1398725;1454821912;mircea_popescu;lettuce instead discuss isis. http://40.media.tumblr.com/91ff21b4a51443b40d0859003cb21d0b/tumblr_mt0j1rGPz21qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1398726;1454821913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHYEEQ ) 1398727;1454821957;ben_vulpes;ascii_rear: i recall reading in the log that your vtron's implicit pressing behavior is asciibetical up to indicated head, but i'm having trouble reconciling that with other reqs i once read: that vs press longest chain, and also that vs press all usable patches. would that accurately modify to 'longest chain up to indicated head'? 1398728;1454822269;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-january-2016-statement/ 1398729;1454822518;ben_vulpes;(also ascii_rear i am having trouble understanding how vdiff turns $2 [which i'd expect to be the dir] into individual files for hashing and writing into the vpatch) 1398730;1454822929;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CalfZHeXEAUOgJr.png:large "Kiss'n'Kill" featuring the "KONDOM SIMULATOR" 1398731;1454822930;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHZuBq ) 1398732;1454823231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2064 @ 0.00057043 = 1.1774 BTC [+] {2} 1398733;1454824092;ben_vulpes;yeah i basically have nfi how vdiff is making the per-file hashes happen 1398734;1454824096;ben_vulpes;C'EST UN MYSTERE 1398735;1454824148;ben_vulpes;^^ asciilifeform, mod6, phf, polarbeard, mircea_popescu: if any of you are willing to explain the inscrawkutable vdiff to my maleducated self i'd be much obliged 1398736;1454824268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00057043 = 4.8772 BTC [+] {2} 1398737;1454824622;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron looks like that needs some hilfe. 1398738;1454824633;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes just hashes the file content, what ? 1398739;1454824634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00056612 = 12.0017 BTC [-] {3} 1398740;1454824745;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how is it disambiguated from $2, which is the dir input to diff? 1398741;1454824777;mircea_popescu;it recurses through the dir, neh ? 1398742;1454824789;ben_vulpes;oh because that's in the context of the awk statement and the file path is the second entry in that context? 1398743;1454824815;ben_vulpes;keep in mind that awk is acting on the text output of diff, it's not recursing anywhere 1398744;1454824817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41556 @ 0.00056219 = 23.3624 BTC [-] {3} 1398745;1454824848;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform ^^ i believe that i understand how vdiff works, if you'd confirm, i'd appreciate. 1398746;1454824848;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1398747;1454825611;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395703 << so here's what my (unreleased, v2) vtron does: it grabs all patches and all sigs, merges them into an alphabetically sorted list, and then munches through that list attaching sigs whose name matches the previous patch to that patch. is this a blindingly stupid thing to do? i realize that it depends implicitly on the naming convention, but would like to hear about other unrealized 1398748;1454825611;assbot;Logged on 03-02-2016 21:04:13; ascii_butugychag: phf: O(N^2) 1398749;1454825612;ben_vulpes;stupidities in the approach. 1398750;1454826564;ben_vulpes;also of note vdiff does not work under macos 1398751;1454826589;ben_vulpes;craps down 'false' instead of *hash* 1398752;1454826602;ben_vulpes;*closed* *wontfix* 1398753;1454827021;mod6;;;tslb 1398754;1454827025;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 16 seconds 1398755;1454828782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7694 @ 0.00056873 = 4.3758 BTC [+] {2} 1398756;1454828904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00056878 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2} 1398757;1454829594;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo for your qind qntsidration, http://dpaste.com/17C2ZPT.txt 1398758;1454829595;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20huda7 ) 1398759;1454829595;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1398760;1454829819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00056897 = 4.95 BTC [+] {2} 1398761;1454829862;mats;TIL ppc macs had a Forth shell by way of 'OpenFirmware' 1398762;1454830204;mats;OLPC does too, but i've mentioned that before. 1398763;1454831100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31864 @ 0.00056699 = 18.0666 BTC [-] {3} 1398764;1454831222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25813 @ 0.00056247 = 14.519 BTC [-] 1398765;1454832479;BingoBoingo;ty adlai 1398766;1454832497;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Crosses 144 Million With 20.06% Rise - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-crosses-144-million-with-20-06-rise/ 1398767;1454832555;*;adlai is open to suggestions of fee market statistics to display, beyond the obvious "picture is worth >9K shares" 1398768;1454832559;punkman;mats: there is a SyFy thing called The Expanse nao << possibly the only SyFy show I didn't stop watching mid-episode 1398769;1454832596;punkman;the space-noir was good, the space-politics kinda weak 1398770;1454832664;ben_vulpes;kinda hate ancient earth babe 1398771;1454832699;ben_vulpes;although the scene with the two ancient earth babes was amusing in how solidly it failed the bechdel test 1398772;1454832826;mats;holy shit, 1exahash and at 20% increase 1398773;1454832839;punkman;did we break sha256 yet 1398774;1454832853;ben_vulpes;512 up 1398775;1454832930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0005629 = 2.4768 BTC [+] {2} 1398776;1454833037;punkman;I'm gonna hack on my diff implementation today, any suggestions welcome 1398777;1454833046;ben_vulpes;diff impl? 1398778;1454833052;ben_vulpes;link to original? 1398779;1454833056;ben_vulpes;or v impl 1398780;1454833067;punkman;diff 1398781;1454833087;ben_vulpes;have you shared something from which suggestions might bloom? 1398782;1454833138;punkman;not much to share yet 1398783;1454833174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00056461 = 9.8807 BTC [+] {2} 1398784;1454833438;punkman;the obvious stuff: file deletes without needing to dump whole file in the diff. also thinking on how to handle simple renames. 1398785;1454833539;punkman;perhaps a token-replace operation, but then we are venturing in ascii's "turing-complete-diff" 1398786;1454834223;ben_vulpes;adlai: do you know how to rebind a var to a specific value at the beginning of every iteration through a loop in cl? 1398787;1454834230;ben_vulpes;(and wouldja share if so?) 1398788;1454834328;punkman;is it different than setting a regular variable? 1398789;1454834390;adlai;ben_vulpes: (loop for a = 10 do (stuff :to a)) ? 1398790;1454834403;ben_vulpes;for's rebind, with's do not? 1398791;1454834424;adlai;correct, but the full picture is much more subtle 1398792;1454834434;adlai;for x = init then next 1398793;1454834445;adlai;leaving out next rebinds to init each time 1398794;1454834453;ben_vulpes;huh 1398795;1454834483;ben_vulpes;where can i get my hands on complete documentation for the loop macro? 1398796;1454834486;ben_vulpes;clhs keeps failing me 1398797;1454834502;ben_vulpes;and 'loop for black belts' has a limited set of recipes. 1398798;1454834507;punkman;inspect it in the repl? 1398799;1454834535;adlai;this no-next-defaults-to-init behavior is potentially confusing because the do macro does not have this behavior 1398800;1454834559;adlai;ben_vulpes: http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.2.1 1398801;1454834560;assbot;CLHS: Section 6.1.2.1 ... ( http://bit.ly/20OTLNZ ) 1398802;1454834560;*;ben_vulpes has to step out, apologies for asking at an beforehand-unknowably-importune moment 1398803;1454834573;ben_vulpes;thanks adlai 1398804;1454834575;ben_vulpes;bb shortly 1398805;1454834578;adlai;section 6 is/willbe your friend when you return 1398806;1454834811;BingoBoingo;adlai: BTW you did the off by thousand error thing 1398807;1454834850;punkman;http://coccinellery.org/ 1398808;1454834851;assbot;Coccinellery: A gallery of semantic patches for use with Coccinelle ... ( http://bit.ly/1TM0MgC ) 1398809;1454834905;adlai;BingoBoingo: it's just a single letter, they're even adjacent on dvorak 1398810;1454835248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19784 @ 0.00056357 = 11.1497 BTC [-] {2} 1398811;1454835309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7316 @ 0.0005629 = 4.1182 BTC [-] 1398812;1454835567;BingoBoingo;adlai: https://twitter.com/qntra/status/696255988500815873 and http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-crosses-144-million-with-20-06-rise/#comment-45239 1398813;1454835570;assbot;Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Crosses 144 Billion With 20.06% Rise | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20OUz5u ) 1398814;1454835919;BingoBoingo;In other news apparently AWS isn't good enough for this round of forkers https://archive.is/Jqv9Q 1398815;1454835920;assbot;Bring Up Your Nodes : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20OUPBs ) 1398816;1454836163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.0005629 = 15.9864 BTC [-] {2} 1398817;1454836428;ben_vulpes;> sending a supremely strong message to all 1398818;1454836429;ben_vulpes;sure 1398819;1454836434;ben_vulpes;who is this aquentin again? 1398820;1454836468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00056915 = 9.7325 BTC [+] {3} 1398821;1454836604;ben_vulpes;adlai: a) i am annoyed that someone has coopted your 3 letters of tab completion and never says anything in here b) monthly averages and standard deviations of transaction fees as percentage of total miner subsidy would be far more informative 1398822;1454836653;adlai;hmm, tab completion is worth defending 1398823;1454836744;ben_vulpes;i'll take cab funpletion over dick blocks any day 1398824;1454836810;ben_vulpes;whoa 1398825;1454836824;ben_vulpes;was adlie one of yours? 1398826;1454836833;ben_vulpes;also thank you for the link to chapter six. 1398827;1454836894;adlai;np. and yes: SaslServ (SaslServ@services.): liead!~adlie@unaffiliated/adlai has just authenticated as you (Adlai) 1398828;1454837011;ben_vulpes;thank you for the 6 pairs of 'ai' that you saved me from typing over the next month 1398829;1454837025;adlai;"ai must come from within" 1398830;1454837053;ben_vulpes;"the spirit of stallman compels you!" 1398831;1454837187;adlai;re:CL, i suggest at some point taking http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382968 seriously and going over the spec cover to cover, not to grok its content, but rather - the structure 1398832;1454837187;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:31:57; asciilifeform: 978 motherfucking keywords in ansi std. 1398833;1454837198;ben_vulpes;man is anyone from X3J13 still alive at this point? 1398834;1454837255;ben_vulpes;adlai: noted. 1398835;1454837293;ben_vulpes;however i don't see myself doing that any time soon, and sicp is...somewhat higher on the list. 1398836;1454837322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14570 @ 0.0005629 = 8.2015 BTC [-] {2} 1398837;1454837336;adlai;http://www.nhplace.com/kent/index.html << looks alive! 1398838;1454837337;assbot;Kent Pitman's Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8t858 ) 1398839;1454837448;punkman;https://github.com/maqp/tfc-otp 1398840;1454837450;assbot;GitHub - maqp/tfc-otp: Tinfoil Chat (OTP) ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8th8K ) 1398841;1454837496;ben_vulpes;usually all i'm curious about is 'why is *that* implementation dependent?!' 1398842;1454837514;adlai;because http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/cl-untold-story.html 1398843;1454837515;assbot;Common Lisp: The Untold Story ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8to44 ) 1398844;1454837578;ben_vulpes;punkman: either 1/10 troll or you have better repl foo than my incompetent self and should share this wisdom 1398845;1454837580;adlai;the handwritten notes bit ("5.2 Early Politics and Posturing") is excellent, all relevant to bitcoin too 1398846;1454837611;ben_vulpes;oh man adlai i didn't even know i was looking for that 1398847;1454837648;punkman;ben_vulpes: I don't lisp but thought lisp was cool enough to let you inspect everything in repl 1398848;1454837725;BingoBoingo; who is this aquentin again? << troll dude 1398849;1454837749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20788 @ 0.00056256 = 11.6945 BTC [-] {2} 1398850;1454837757;adlai;punkman: the problem is that http://l1sp.org/cl/loop is not "lisp", in the sense of "inspect the function to read its documentation string", but rather "ANSI Common Lisp", in the sense of http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.1 1398851;1454837758;assbot;CLHS: Macro LOOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbuICE ) 1398852;1454837758;assbot;CLHS: Section 6.1.1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbuJGN ) 1398853;1454837811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26836 @ 0.00056243 = 15.0934 BTC [-] {2} 1398854;1454837840;adlai;the other hairball horrorshow being, eg, http://l1sp.org/cl/22.3.5.2 1398855;1454837840;assbot;CLHS: Section 22.3.5.2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbuNGy ) 1398856;1454837875;ben_vulpes;i am not ready for the tildenightmare 1398857;1454837880;adlai;ben_vulpes: C-c C-d ~ 1398858;1454837914;adlai;second only to C-c C-d # 1398859;1454838002;adlai;infuriatingly enough, `C-c C-d h` does not work for loop keywords such as the for-=-then clause 1398860;1454838050;ben_vulpes;well that's a helluva shortcut 1398861;1454838053;ben_vulpes;thank you, adlai 1398862;1454838066;*;adlai is glad to see ben_vulpes using lisp enough to need these! 1398863;1454838170;ben_vulpes;mwell i don't really 'get to' code except for tmsr any more 1398864;1454838195;ben_vulpes;although i do drive-by javascript debugging pretty well 1398865;1454838251;ben_vulpes;and can *almost* run down objective c weirdness on my own when qa'ing others' work 1398866;1454838293;ben_vulpes;but good god 1398867;1454838295;ben_vulpes;the clicking 1398868;1454838303;ben_vulpes;endless 1398869;1454838304;ben_vulpes;clicking 1398870;1454839031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00056136 = 5.5013 BTC [-] {2} 1398871;1454841715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00056835 = 11.7648 BTC [+] {2} 1398872;1454842081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00057001 = 12.0842 BTC [+] {2} 1398873;1454842682;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] V-tronics 101: A gentle introduction to The Most Serene Republic of Bitcoin's cryptographically-backed version control system - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/02/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system.html 1398874;1454843301;ben_vulpes;mod6, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, phf, punkman: feedback greatly appreciated 1398875;1454843733;ben_vulpes;happy second birthday, cascadianhacker 1398876;1454843753;ben_vulpes;(month late, only looked it up today) 1398877;1454843754;BingoBoingo;Congrats ben_vulpes 1398878;1454843780;ben_vulpes;ty BingoBoingo 1398879;1454843793;ben_vulpes;remember when mircea_popescu liked to troll people into starting blogs? 1398880;1454843812;BingoBoingo;Doesn't he still? People just listen less now. 1398881;1454843827;ben_vulpes;i'm still a dumb sucker 1398882;1454843835;BingoBoingo;In other news only takes 14 point to get third place on /r/bitcoin https://archive.is/n9uZe 1398883;1454843836;assbot;Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6kSQw ) 1398884;1454843848;ben_vulpes;hey one post slightly more frequently than every week for two years 1398885;1454843911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00057043 = 8.5565 BTC [+] {2} 1398886;1454843968;ben_vulpes;https://archive.is/zfBPO << oh so that's what happened to c4 1398887;1454843969;assbot;Satoshi Roundtable | Private Retreat ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfjZE5 ) 1398888;1454844021;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/695986986079928320 << someone bother the dood? 1398889;1454844173;punkman;ben_vulpes: s/descendents/descendants 1398890;1454844182;BingoBoingo;ioerror dude is tor developer. Bothering likely goes straight to fort meade 1398891;1454844237;ben_vulpes;well in that case 1398892;1454844240;ben_vulpes;ty punkman 1398893;1454844254;punkman;ooh seems both are valid words actually 1398894;1454844262;BingoBoingo;And danielpbarron seems to have already bothered 1398895;1454844323;ben_vulpes;punkman: that would explain why i john kerry all over them 1398896;1454844399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00057145 = 21.8008 BTC [+] {3} 1398897;1454844460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00056999 = 18.9237 BTC [-] {2} 1398898;1454844948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00056999 = 1.8525 BTC [-] 1398899;1454845122;punkman;"Subgraph Mail is a new desktop email client written from scratch, with its own implementation of OpenPGP built-in." that will surely end well " 1398900;1454845233;punkman;"Subgraph believes that managed runtimes and memory-safe languages should be used where possible. For this reason, Subgraph Mail, the Metaproxy, and other components of the Subgraph OS are written in higher level languages that are memory-safe or run in managed runtimes, making them less susceptible to memory corruption style implementation vulnerabilities. " 1398901;1454845249;punkman;so we used... Java 1398902;1454845497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14962 @ 0.00057154 = 8.5514 BTC [+] 1398903;1454845568;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1398904;1454845570;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/03Y3PG2.txt ) 1398905;1454845985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00056999 = 22.5146 BTC [-] {2} 1398906;1454846229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00057156 = 15.7465 BTC [+] {2} 1398907;1454846290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16454 @ 0.00056999 = 9.3786 BTC [-] 1398908;1454847571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4759 @ 0.00056999 = 2.7126 BTC [-] 1398909;1454848669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19637 @ 0.00056719 = 11.1379 BTC [-] {2} 1398910;1454849462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19148 @ 0.00056649 = 10.8472 BTC [-] {2} 1398911;1454849889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00056982 = 36.6964 BTC [+] {2} 1398912;1454850903;oglafbot;http://media.oglaf.com/archive/arc-perhaps.png 1398913;1454850904;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIoqsv ) 1398914;1454851035;mircea_popescu;o hey new oglaf 1398915;1454851133;BingoBoingo;Well, it is Sunday 1398916;1454851158;BingoBoingo;Ah, linked the wrong thing 1398917;1454851172;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/perhaps/ 1398918;1454851173;assbot;Perhaps ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYcSfj ) 1398919;1454852257;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2016#1398673 <<< yiss ben_vulpes 1398920;1454852257;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 03:18:49; ben_vulpes: one for shinohai: http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt1itiWyRx1r31wtyo1_500.jpg 1398921;1454852329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056983 = 7.9776 BTC [+] 1398922;1454852634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00056983 = 32.0244 BTC [+] 1398923;1454852924;mircea_popescu;such delicious bacons! 1398924;1454853000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37121 @ 0.00057081 = 21.189 BTC [+] {2} 1398925;1454853061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7579 @ 0.00057168 = 4.3328 BTC [+] 1398926;1454853311;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out, reads exactly like contemporary anglo literature. 1398927;1454853335;BingoBoingo;Which thing read that way? 1398928;1454853474;mircea_popescu;Iron Men III! 1398929;1454853620;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398769 << what's space-noir mean here ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398771 << da fuck is a bechdel test ? 1398930;1454853620;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 08:09:56; punkman: the space-noir was good, the space-politics kinda weak 1398931;1454853620;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 08:11:39; ben_vulpes: although the scene with the two ancient earth babes was amusing in how solidly it failed the bechdel test 1398932;1454853630;*;mircea_popescu feels like he's 5 years old all of a sudden! 1398933;1454853651;mircea_popescu;"The Bechdel test (/ˈbɛkdəl/ BEK-dəl) asks whether a work of fiction features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man." 1398934;1454853653;mircea_popescu;ha. 1398935;1454853671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00056657 = 13.4277 BTC [-] {4} 1398936;1454853738;mircea_popescu;this is not a bad idea, is it! imagine if all conversation between dudes was either absent (such as is traditionally in westerns and other tough-man stuff in the style) or otherwise entirely about "booze bitches blunts" as in the usual dudefare. 1398937;1454853759;mircea_popescu;you'd think it's all made in hollywood, going on the tiresome superficiality. 1398938;1454853931;mircea_popescu;"It is decision time guys and right now the number of nodes is what is most important, perhaps, even decisive." << o hey, it trickled down ? 1398939;1454853946;mircea_popescu;"I worry that support for classic has become rather wishy-washy (like with everything else in bitcoin currently). Miners need to get serious right now, no more messing around." hurr durr. 1398940;1454853947;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1398941;1454853996;copypaste;people who have no say in anything thinking they matter 1398942;1454853997;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398825 << yes. 1398943;1454853997;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 09:20:24; ben_vulpes: was adlie one of yours? 1398944;1454854049;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#comment-116464 << in other news, longstanding reddit-based admirer/landwhale finally broke the wall! 1398945;1454854051;assbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2eQRJ ) 1398946;1454854068;mircea_popescu;did you know sciencehatesyou actually abbreviates to "shy" ? neither did i! but apparently it's what it stands for! 1398947;1454854091;BingoBoingo;Oh 1398948;1454854335;mircea_popescu;"In TFC, Alice enters her message into Tx.py running on her Transmitter Module (TxM), a TCB separated from network. Tx.py encrypts the message and signs the ciphertext. TxM then relays the packet to Network Handler (NH) through RS-232 interface and a data diode." 1398949;1454854352;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398839 << look what punkman1 dredged up! it actually looks interesting. 1398950;1454854352;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 09:30:48; punkman: https://github.com/maqp/tfc-otp 1398951;1454854365;mircea_popescu;or at least, no obvious "gtfo flags" i immediately notice. 1398952;1454854435;mircea_popescu;now who's Markus Ottela aka mapq and why isn't he in here. 1398953;1454854618;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398850 << i like this cogent version of adlai better than any other i've to date perceived! 1398954;1454854618;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 09:35:57; adlai: punkman: the problem is that http://l1sp.org/cl/loop is not "lisp", in the sense of "inspect the function to read its documentation string", but rather "ANSI Common Lisp", in the sense of http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.1 1398955;1454854696;mircea_popescu;guy sounds like a competent lawyer. (and yes, contrary to the view commonly held by people who have no idea, there exists such a thing as competent lawyers, it's an intellectual field like any other and just as capable to contain "lovely gems and brilliant coups" as the field of mel is.) 1398956;1454854793;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398875 << cheers! 1398957;1454854793;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 11:15:33; ben_vulpes: happy second birthday, cascadianhacker 1398958;1454854828;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398880 << ha, they actually listen slightly more! 1398959;1454854828;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 11:16:52; BingoBoingo: Doesn't he still? People just listen less now. 1398960;1454854830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00056564 = 12.84 BTC [-] 1398961;1454854988;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398886 << lol naw. 1398962;1454854988;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 11:19:28; ben_vulpes: https://archive.is/zfBPO << oh so that's what happened to c4 1398963;1454855029;*;mircea_popescu braces himself for a bunch of people doing riding shots of themselves next. 1398964;1454855129;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398901 << i have nfi how they figure that the LANGUAGE is going to protect you from the hardware. what can it do ? say to any misbehaving items sharing its heap that "oh no you don't, this here is extra special good stuff!" ? 1398965;1454855129;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 11:40:49; punkman: so we used... Java 1398966;1454855257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00056564 = 4.7231 BTC [-] 1398967;1454855623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00057118 = 18.4777 BTC [+] {4} 1398968;1454856599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11073 @ 0.000567 = 6.2784 BTC [-] {2} 1398969;1454856904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40389 @ 0.00056363 = 22.7645 BTC [-] {3} 1398970;1454857087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26032 @ 0.00056202 = 14.6305 BTC [-] {2} 1398971;1454857636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00056896 = 10.9809 BTC [+] {2} 1398972;1454858612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00056148 = 17.7708 BTC [-] {3} 1398973;1454859161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0005725 = 3.2346 BTC [+] {2} 1398974;1454859182;polarbeard;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, mod6: a backport for sendrawtransaction rpc command, 1398975;1454859185;polarbeard;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/polarbeard/trb/master/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc.vpatch 1398976;1454859186;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8wmhn ) 1398977;1454859188;polarbeard;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/polarbeard/trb/master/sigs/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc.vpatch.polarbeard.sig 1398978;1454859189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8wnSr ) 1398979;1454859284;phf;^- http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc 1398980;1454859285;assbot;polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8wFZq ) 1398981;1454859466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00056691 = 9.4107 BTC [-] {2} 1398982;1454859559;phf;polarbeard: hey, do you mind linking to your pgp key 1398983;1454859647;phf;never mind, found it 1398984;1454859653;polarbeard;here you are: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x11CC9042929D3682 1398985;1454859654;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x11cc9042929d3682 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8xvp5 ) 1398986;1454859697;phf;yeap 1398987;1454859893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00057257 = 27.1971 BTC [+] {3} 1398988;1454860259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00057258 = 11.8427 BTC [+] 1398989;1454861099;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398750 << http://paste.lisp.org/display/306741 i thought i posted this before, but there are two fixes required on mac os x, sha512sum needs to be replaced with shasum -a 512 (and on openbsd with sha512). since awk can't find the command, it always goes for false. second fix is that you need to explicitly close the external checksum command, because bsd awk doesn't. instead it keeps all 1398990;1454861099;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 06:29:24; ben_vulpes: also of note vdiff does not work under macos 1398991;1454861100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20CmIQt ) 1398992;1454861100;phf;those open files around until eventually running out of handlers ("too many files open" message) 1398993;1454861205;mircea_popescu;polarbeard nice. 1398994;1454861261;phf;as far as what it does i hope formatting in the paste above makes it more readable. for each line that starts with --- or +++ awk extract the filename and runs shasum on the file, then prints the new diff line with shasum included. for other files it just outputs whatever's there. so it's a filter that transforms mentions of diff'ed files into diffed files + checksum 1398995;1454861267;phf;ben_vulpes: ^- 1398996;1454861845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00057821 = 8.5575 BTC [+] {2} 1398997;1454862128;deedbot-;[Qntra] Foundation Co-Chair Publishes Introduction To V Provenance System - http://qntra.net/2016/02/foundation-co-chair-publishes-introduction-to-v-provenance-system/ 1398998;1454863149;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "Mirror of antecedents, returns patches that depend on it's argument." << its. 1398999;1454863297;mircea_popescu;"Stan delivers a beautifully terse toposort implementation here. He leverages language features in both data structure and control flow, and the resulting code is terse and readable." << too much terse! 1399000;1454863335;mircea_popescu;funny application of the entire symbols vs words debate, incidentally. was it deliberate ? 1399001;1454863420;mircea_popescu;"Stan's program makes excellent and judicious use of global state, but I am nowhere near disciplined enough to do the same to good effect" << a simple trick [expert programmers hate] to achieve this is you know you can map state on paper for a while until it's learned. 1399002;1454863553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00057804 = 3.1503 BTC [-] {2} 1399003;1454863582;mircea_popescu;"I'll leave the bombast and politics to those typically responsible for such." << ha! 1399004;1454863634;mircea_popescu;!up hdbuck 1399005;1454863717;hdbuck;hello there 1399006;1454863765;mircea_popescu;heya. 1399007;1454863772;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes very nice summary, actually. 1399008;1454863820;phf;ben_vulpes: man is anyone from X3J13 still alive at this point? << probably better question, who has died, because the majority of the people form the committee are still alive. http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/cl/dpANS3/chap-0-edit-history.tex has an almost complete list of 104 ("These are attendees from minutes back through 3/88"), of those i recognize about 40, of those ~~10 i've been in touch with in the past year and another ~~10 are 1399009;1454863821;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWL6Gs ) 1399010;1454863821;phf;still doing things with public output (e.g. guy steele, richard gabriel, ...) 1399011;1454863862;hdbuck;hum so any chance you’d let me know if I would still be leaking IP now? 1399012;1454863877;mircea_popescu;hdbuck nope, * hdbuck (~hdbuck@unaffiliated/hdbuck) has joined #bitcoin-assets logged correctly. 1399013;1454864011;phf;ben_vulpes: oh i remember dan weinreb died couple of years ago, of cancer actually. 1399014;1454864078;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1399015;1454864086;deedbot-;[Qntra] DPRK Launches Satellite Into Space - http://qntra.net/2016/02/dprk-launches-satellite-into-space/ 1399016;1454864161;ascii_rear;ben_vulpes: good 'v' summary - but i'm still waiting for somebody to crap out a treatise re: the philosophical 'why' of it 1399017;1454864215;ascii_rear;most civilians i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this 1399018;1454864324;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398850 << 'loop' is a macro, you can read the source in steele's cltl2 1399019;1454864324;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 09:35:57; adlai: punkman: the problem is that http://l1sp.org/cl/loop is not "lisp", in the sense of "inspect the function to read its documentation string", but rather "ANSI Common Lisp", in the sense of http://l1sp.org/cl/6.1.1 1399020;1454864381;ascii_rear;and yes, eternal comp.lang.lisp holy war re: it constituting a heathen small language within cl 1399021;1454864407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59550 @ 0.00057183 = 34.0525 BTC [-] {4} 1399022;1454864476;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398974 << nothing against this, but was hoping folks would make all new rpc calls shivatronic... 1399023;1454864476;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 15:33:02; polarbeard: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, mod6: a backport for sendrawtransaction rpc command, 1399024;1454864526;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear> most civilians i've introduced to vtronics had problems with, initially, this << the problem here is that the only reason why is not obvious is because of issues in the reader's head, and a general treatise to address all possible personal issues can not really be made. 1399025;1454864534;mircea_popescu;we're stuck discussing it with them one at a time. like education. 1399026;1454864565;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398951 << tor?! 1399027;1454864565;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 14:12:45; mircea_popescu: or at least, no obvious "gtfo flags" i immediately notice. 1399028;1454864582;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear the backport works right now, for trinque's use for instance. shivatronic, tomorrow. 1399029;1454864583;punkman;relevant quote in something I was just reading: "History is not the study of origins; rather it is the analysis of all the mediations by which the past was turned into our present." 1399030;1454864597;ascii_rear;works, works 1399031;1454864606;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear in general, but mind the peculiar way he is using it. merely there to hide metadata from the people who don't have it anyway 1399032;1454864623;mircea_popescu;punkman truth. 1399033;1454864626;punkman;ascii_rear: can easily be adapted to anything that takes serial protocol 1399034;1454864635;punkman;also uses dbus to talk to pidgin 1399035;1454864645;ascii_rear;ick 1399036;1454864661;mircea_popescu;no but he has a point : if you're going to throw up might as well because "pidgin" 1399037;1454864662;punkman;the otp implementation is possibly decent though 1399038;1454864663;mircea_popescu;rather than tor 1399039;1454864666;ascii_rear;and what part is new? diode is ancient 1399040;1454864671;mircea_popescu;nothing is new. 1399041;1454864677;phf;loop's source is not in cltl2, but the canonical implementation, MIT LOOP, is available in cmu archive https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/iter/loop/mit/0.html 1399042;1454864679;assbot;Package: lang/lisp/code/iter/loop/mit/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYtNyj ) 1399043;1454864705;ascii_rear;phf : open your cltl2, it sure as hell is there 1399044;1454864725;phf;can't, all the books are in storage, so i have to talk out of my ass 1399045;1454864749;ascii_rear;what, phf is the only user without warez copy? 1399046;1454864758;ascii_rear;L0l 1399047;1454864771;punkman;mircea_popescu: what's space-noir mean here << film-noir-in-space 1399048;1454864790;mircea_popescu;but... what does this mean! 1399049;1454864801;mircea_popescu;i got as far on my own, but... wut ?! 1399050;1454864851;punkman;the film-noir aspects of the series? 1399051;1454864865;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? 1399052;1454865078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108312 @ 0.00057871 = 62.6812 BTC [+] {5} 1399053;1454865111;punkman;well I couldn't really give you a good definition of "film-noir", but there's a cynical private-dick type guy, searching for a girl that disappeared mysteriously 1399054;1454865172;deedbot-;[Qntra] Tribulations Of Nordic System Affecting Universities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tribulations-of-nordic-system-affecting-universities/ 1399055;1454865190;ascii_rear;how about 'dark city' mega-film ? 1399056;1454865227;punkman;dark city was fun, I think I actually saw it in a cinema 1399057;1454865643;mircea_popescu;oh oh that i see. 1399058;1454865666;mircea_popescu;so basically dick tracy in space 1399059;1454865688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6363 @ 0.00056826 = 3.6158 BTC [-] {2} 1399060;1454865749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22337 @ 0.00056691 = 12.6631 BTC [-] 1399061;1454865966;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1399062;1454866298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00057239 = 6.12 BTC [+] 1399063;1454866513;BingoBoingo;In other news, Qntra just passed 1000 posts. http://qntra.net/2016/02/dprk-launches-satellite-into-space/ was number 1000 1399064;1454866515;assbot;DPRK Launches Satellite Into Space | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlqa7n ) 1399065;1454866610;BingoBoingo;And Qntra is in hour 6 or seven near the top of /r/bitcoin without getting blackholed down yet https://archive.is/NE4qu 1399066;1454866612;assbot;Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlqh2E ) 1399067;1454866786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00056204 = 18.4911 BTC [-] {4} 1399068;1454867335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00057239 = 6.0387 BTC [+] 1399069;1454867412;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr must be beside himself 1399070;1454867823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18598 @ 0.00057538 = 10.7009 BTC [+] {3} 1399071;1454867935;mircea_popescu;grats on the millenium! 1399072;1454868616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00057831 = 13.4168 BTC [+] 1399073;1454869422;mats;i wonder what it cost to spin up the 20% diff increase 1399074;1454869554;mircea_popescu;coupla hundred mils or so. 1399075;1454869579;mats;good to know. 1399076;1454869647;mircea_popescu;by no means the end of the world. won't even buy you a walk's worth of county road. 1399077;1454869939;polarbeard;asciilifeform: will play with shivatronics soon, probably after exploring gcov dumping 1399078;1454870202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00056901 = 3.6804 BTC [-] {2} 1399079;1454870507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00056902 = 17.2698 BTC [+] 1399080;1454870828;punkman;http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22 1399081;1454870829;assbot;22/C4.1 - Collective Code Construction Contract - 0MQ Requests for Comments ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMTQ2S ) 1399082;1454870921;mircea_popescu;punkman Pieter Hintjens is imo gunk, the epitome of the plowing fly. 1399083;1454870984;mircea_popescu;"In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard design to do away wi 1399084;1454870984;mircea_popescu;th the Caps Lock key. It was funded by donations from the campaign's supporters and eventually raised 194.91." << this is a good summary of the man's contributions. they evaluate to < 200 euro + a wikipedia paragraph. 1399085;1454871165;mircea_popescu;tomes could be written on the particulars of an overcompensating inferiority complex that seeks to remedy internal tension through far reaching "reforms" of the outer world. i'm too lazy. tomes could similarly be written about tardspedia, but i've done all of that i could be bothered to. so let's forget they both ever existed and move on. 1399086;1454871361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18023 @ 0.00056743 = 10.2268 BTC [-] 1399087;1454871552;punkman;he drove all the important folks away from 0mq too 1399088;1454871854;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1399089;1454871994;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399080 << wut?!? 1399090;1454871994;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 18:47:08; punkman: http://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:22 1399091;1454872059;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399083 << i've remapped it to cntrl for decade+, like other sane folk 1399092;1454872059;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 18:49:44; mircea_popescu: "In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard d 1399093;1454872083;ascii_rear;where is my campaign l0l 1399094;1454872111;mircea_popescu;heh 1399095;1454872169;ascii_rear;i dun get it 1399096;1454872337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4286 @ 0.00056743 = 2.432 BTC [-] {2} 1399097;1454872825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00055999 = 18.3397 BTC [-] {2} 1399098;1454873801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00056724 = 25.7527 BTC [+] {3} 1399099;1454874289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00056906 = 20.6853 BTC [+] {3} 1399100;1454874805;punkman;!up maqp 1399101;1454874879;maqp;Hey. Came to say hi after someone requested 1399102;1454875108;mircea_popescu;o hey there. 1399103;1454875119;mircea_popescu;you're the guy with the open source otp / airgapped thing are you ? 1399104;1454875134;mircea_popescu;!up Conflict 1399105;1454875135;maqp;yes 1399106;1454875141;mircea_popescu;nice work! 1399107;1454875163;mircea_popescu;!s tinfoil chat 1399108;1454875164;assbot;1 results for 'tinfoil chat' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tinfoil+chat 1399109;1454875172;mircea_popescu;^that's the discussion in the log. 1399110;1454875191;mircea_popescu;you ever gave any thought to making some sort of marketable item out of that ? 1399111;1454875207;maqp;thanks. I wanted to recommend you guys take a look at the TFC-NaCl that's fresh out of oven and has better design compared to OTP/CEV versions 1399112;1454875239;mircea_popescu;link 1399113;1454875256;maqp;https://github.com/maqp/tfc-nacl 1399114;1454875257;assbot;GitHub - maqp/tfc-nacl: Tinfoil Chat (NaCl) ... ( http://bit.ly/20Px1xm ) 1399115;1454875286;mircea_popescu;also, it's a good idea to register your pgp key with assbot. that way you create an identity in the wot we can attach to. 1399116;1454875298;maqp;I haven't had the time to update the two other versions 1399117;1454875335;mircea_popescu;otherwise, you ever heard of bitcoin ? 1399118;1454875345;maqp;Well, since this is a public chat room with no secrecy/authenticity, I don't really see the need at the moment 1399119;1454875362;mircea_popescu;oh, there's plenty of authenticity. like so : 1399120;1454875366;mircea_popescu;!gettrust punkman 1399121;1454875370;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user punkman: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 13 via 13 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=punkman | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/punkman/ 1399122;1454875404;maqp;So are you running something that signs all your IRC messages or what are we talking about? 1399123;1454875410;mircea_popescu;just no secrecy, deliberately. 1399124;1454875422;mircea_popescu;nah, but you can order specific things be entered into the record by signing them 1399125;1454875435;mircea_popescu;one case is ratings, which is how that wot is made. i go !rate x y 1399126;1454875451;mircea_popescu;the other case is signed documents, there's a bot that keeps a notary service. 1399127;1454875459;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/ < 1399128;1454875464;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF ) 1399129;1454875473;adlai;!b 42 1399130;1454875474;assbot;Last 42 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2H1CN12.txt ) 1399131;1454875500;mircea_popescu;autosigning things is poorly regarded here. 1399132;1454875511;maqp;I see. The problem with GPG however is the lack of deniability. I'd rather keep things off the record <: 1399133;1454875546;mircea_popescu;aha. 1399134;1454875550;mircea_popescu;so you ever heard of bitcoin ? 1399135;1454875596;maqp;yeah, sure. I haven't had the need for it. At least yet. 1399136;1454875603;mircea_popescu;would you like some ? 1399137;1454875615;maqp;like donations? 1399138;1454875622;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1399139;1454875646;phf;ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399083 << i've remapped it to cntrl for decade+, like other sane folk << you know that's a filthy unixism and is going to overwork your already qwerty abused left hand even further? lispm puts control on both sides of spacebar, followed by alt/meta, follwed by other stuff.. 1399140;1454875646;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 18:49:44; mircea_popescu: "In 2006, he started the CAPSoff campaign to reform the keyboard, starting with the removal of the Caps Lock key. He described this campaign as an example of an online campaign conducted entirely using free services like Wikidot and Google groups. Some new keyboards are starting to drop the Caps Lock key. In September 2006, he launched the "Million Dollar Keyboard" competition for the best keyboard d 1399141;1454875676;mircea_popescu;phf why the hell woulc you switch ctrl and alt around o.O 1399142;1454875686;maqp;Maybe. Provided that there are no obligations to where my project should be heading towards. I could use a cup of coffee, but it'll take some time to learn how to secure the account and endpoint 1399143;1454875695;mircea_popescu;maqp post an address 1399144;1454875717;phf;mircea_popescu: emacs 1399145;1454875723;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1399146;1454875731;maqp;i.e. I'll have to look into secure deployment when generating one. 1399147;1454875757;mircea_popescu;maqp i suppose you could look into TRB. get yourself V and make your own secure node. 1399148;1454875805;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a 1 BTC with your name on it here. if you post an address in this session you got it. if you disconnect before you registered a sig with assbot, you won't be able to get it cuz i won't know it's you. 1399149;1454875807;phf;it sort of relies on the idea that control is easier to chord with. all the control combos are basic text manipulation stuff, so when i'm emacsing i chord with the thumb opposite of key, i.e. c-a is left pinky a, right thumb control 1399150;1454875870;mircea_popescu;i keep the pinky on ctrl. which is why making it further in would be inconvenient for me. 1399151;1454876041;maqp;I won't have to disconnect since it's running on uni server's screen. But you get more assurance on my future bitcoin account signed with my PGP key https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x085ADF061C2B20CD 1399152;1454876042;assbot;Search results for '0x085adf061c2b20cd' ... ( http://bit.ly/20PxPlJ ) 1399153;1454876068;mircea_popescu;!h 1399154;1454876068;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1399155;1454876083;phf;actually i think original tom knight keyboard puts control and meta under pinky by spacing things out 1399156;1454876088;phf;http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/Knight1.jpeg 1399157;1454876090;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20PxWhh ) 1399158;1454876168;mircea_popescu;maqp basically you go !register 559FA134DE33AED70DF97D8B085ADF061C2B20CD 1399159;1454876266;mircea_popescu;phf aha something like that. i suppose that's really it, move alt to shift or caps or something. tho really caps lock is kinda too high, crosses the fingers. 1399160;1454876436;maqp;mircea_popescu: What's the prefix in front of pub key fingerprint? 1399161;1454876470;maqp;559..d8b 1399162;1454876477;ben_vulpes;that's the full-length fp 1399163;1454876494;mircea_popescu;you're using half-fingerprints which is silly. 1399164;1454876572;maqp;interesting. There doesn't seem to be a setting for that when uploading key to MIT key server 1399165;1454876593;ben_vulpes;it's a 'print from GPG' setting 1399166;1454876593;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1399167;1454876613;mircea_popescu;!up maqp 1399168;1454876617;ben_vulpes;'keyid format 0xlong' 1399169;1454876623;mircea_popescu;--fingerprint also does it. 1399170;1454876630;ben_vulpes;echo "keyid format 0xlong" >> ~/.gnupg.conf 1399171;1454876671;ben_vulpes;don't actually do that please. 1399172;1454876704;punkman;!s saneprefs* 1399173;1454876705;assbot;4 results for 'saneprefs*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=saneprefs%2A 1399174;1454876746;ben_vulpes;> now who's Markus Ottela << lol hey buddhi 1399175;1454876775;maqp;!register 559FA134DE33AED70DF97D8B085ADF061C2B20CD 1399176;1454876775;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 559FA134DE33AED70DF97D8B085ADF061C2B20CD. This may take a few moments. 1399177;1454876776;assbot;Key 1C2B20CD / "Markus Ottela " successfully imported. 1399178;1454876776;assbot;Registration successful. 1399179;1454876780;maqp;yay 1399180;1454876827;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1399181;1454876833;mircea_popescu;!rate maqp 1 diodes 1399182;1454876833;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/32540d5779b7cecb 1399183;1454876851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00056907 = 1.821 BTC [+] 1399184;1454876856;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.maqp.1:b036a6fcaa5939edc3d055c0d2d45c2e6e0e3c8d50eb416c651e482d87c90d7a 1399185;1454876856;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for maqp with note: diodes 1399186;1454876880;mircea_popescu;maqp now you can self-voice ; just say !up to assbot in a pm and it'll give you a string to decrypt. pass it with !v and you're voiced. 1399187;1454876895;ben_vulpes;welcome maqp 1399188;1454876902;ben_vulpes;you're now a terrorist 1399189;1454876913;mircea_popescu;no i think he was a terrorist before. 1399190;1454876924;ben_vulpes;the world just didn't know it yet! 1399191;1454876941;ben_vulpes;maqp: where does the handle come from? 1399192;1454876948;mircea_popescu;hey, an interest in actual crypto / security ? DEFINITELY terrorism. 1399193;1454877103;ben_vulpes;http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ << mircea_popescu did you ever finalize this? 1399194;1454877104;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O ) 1399195;1454877138;mircea_popescu;finalize as in what ? 1399196;1454877166;ben_vulpes;as in publish your next lordship list 1399197;1454877180;mircea_popescu;well no, not really april yet. there should prolly be some discussion for a new one huh. 1399198;1454877183;ben_vulpes;you proposed changes, but i'm not seeing those changes cemented anywhere. 1399199;1454877195;maqp;Handle is mixed play with markus, nickname maku, how q is pronounced ku and p and q in crypto 1399200;1454877197;ben_vulpes;right, and given the extremely long lead time for review around here i want to kick the conversation off now 1399201;1454877198;mircea_popescu;iirc that update got applied or not ? 1399202;1454877214;ben_vulpes;i dunno i'm not diffing your html with my face 1399203;1454877229;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was applied then. 1399204;1454877247;mircea_popescu;and what, you dunno who the peers are ? for shame! 1399205;1454877250;ben_vulpes;o wait this'd be the canonical list 1399206;1454877251;ben_vulpes;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/ 1399207;1454877252;assbot;assbot WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Sp00 ) 1399208;1454877255;mircea_popescu;well yes 1399209;1454877262;ben_vulpes;nigga you think i keep shit in my head that computers remember for me? 1399210;1454877270;mircea_popescu;this shit, you must keep in your head. 1399211;1454877283;mircea_popescu;computers lie. 1399212;1454877291;maqp;As far as it goes with cast iron list, it remains to be seen who's now closer to "terrorists" 1399213;1454877295;ben_vulpes;fair nuff. 1399214;1454877307;mircea_popescu;maqp wassat ? 1399215;1454877327;maqp;jokingmate 1399216;1454877330;ben_vulpes;;;seen mthreat 1399217;1454877331;gribble;mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: any problems, lemme know 1399218;1454877347;ben_vulpes;;;seen dignork 1399219;1454877348;gribble;dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: PeterL: I'm lurking 1399220;1454877360;ben_vulpes;;;seen artifexd 1399221;1454877360;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 19 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1399222;1454877420;mircea_popescu;i wonder how gabriel spoonful's doing these days. 1399223;1454877477;maqp;So anyway, as far as the TFC goes, NaCl is the first one to provide practical public key crypto 1399224;1454877494;ben_vulpes;;;seen diametric 1399225;1454877495;gribble;diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 42 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: not sure that makes it a trivial non-crime at that point. 1399226;1454877514;maqp;I tried it earlier, but the classic Diffie-Hellman had much less security and a lot longer public key 1399227;1454877553;maqp;The current version has 72 hex char key you have to manually type to transmitter device; it's similar to manually typing Ricochet/Tox ID 1399228;1454877564;maqp;Since it's ECDHE, the security is actually 3072-bit RSA equivalent 1399229;1454877566;mircea_popescu;!up pussyfreak 1399230;1454877577;pussyfreak;thanks 1399231;1454877587;ben_vulpes;i propose excising artifexd from the lordship, and i further propose adding phf to it 1399232;1454877603;mircea_popescu;maqp you actually type hex digits ? 1399233;1454877608;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b22 1399234;1454877620;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no objection ; and in light of the traverser no objection. 1399235;1454877625;maqp;unfortunaltely that's the only way to prevent nation state from remotely injecting malware to transmitter device after setup 1399236;1454877640;mircea_popescu;maqp but you could type base64 ? 1399237;1454877646;ben_vulpes;traverser and *myriad* other contributions. 1399238;1454877672;maqp;That could work of course, base58 might be better as there's less similar looking chars 1399239;1454877672;ben_vulpes;also does lordship survive termination of corporeal instantiation? 1399240;1454877679;mircea_popescu;chetty should also come off, seeing how she's no more. 1399241;1454877686;mircea_popescu;i don't see how it could. 1399242;1454877689;ben_vulpes;aha precisely what i was asking. 1399243;1454877692;punkman;maqp, is that a carter-wegman MAC in your otp version? 1399244;1454877696;mircea_popescu;maqp right. fewer keystrokes anyway 1399245;1454877758;maqp;punkman: It's a classical one-time MAC with excess key expenditure. Not a good idea I admit 1399246;1454877769;ben_vulpes;i also don't quite know what mthreat's doing in there beyond running search and being a known usg antagonist. 1399247;1454877782;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, the search is running ok. this is a thing. 1399248;1454877804;ben_vulpes;'running ok' is the criteria? 1399249;1454877824;mircea_popescu;my thinking, vague as i admit it may be, is that if the guy's service is running, the guy is ok. 1399250;1454877828;ben_vulpes;i don't intend this as an attack on mthreat, trying only to tease out the logic. 1399251;1454877838;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, wipe mike_c because he had a kid ? nonsense i say! 1399252;1454877838;ben_vulpes;yes but /inclusion in the lordship/ for that? 1399253;1454877840;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.maqp.1:cf9f8d6640cd6e94e71f6be044d2a4c9147ca162e812e5c5b414694eccbb44a1 1399254;1454877840;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for maqp with note: I showed him the log, and he joined! I'm on a roll. 1399255;1454877846;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dude he has like three 1399256;1454877847;mircea_popescu;well hes' included already. 1399257;1454877856;maqp;mircea_popescu: indeed. I just figured the few extra chars were't that important, and that typing upper/lower case might make it slower. I'll have to look into that 1399258;1454877873;mircea_popescu;maqp so you could do base 37 lol. 1399259;1454877916;maqp;I wonder if there's a library for that 1399260;1454877925;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes generally i'm thinking, to make it in people gotta put you in ; but once you're in, yoiu're in, and baring disaster you stay in. 1399261;1454877941;maqp;But since users are verifying the public key over Signal call 1399262;1454877980;maqp;having to say "upper case B, lower case c".. is almost as bad as the one used in Telegram 1399263;1454877991;maqp;"lightish square, a bit darker square, white square"... 1399264;1454877992;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if you don't show up in the forum, marshall hoplits on demand, are you still a senator? 1399265;1454877996;ben_vulpes;hoplites 1399266;1454878006;mircea_popescu;yup. it's called lacoonism. 1399267;1454878012;punkman;lol 1399268;1454878032;mircea_popescu;as long as you do what's expected of you - no case can be brought. 1399269;1454878082;maqp;But since you don't have to read the public key in Base58 format, it could use two different encodings 1399270;1454878086;ben_vulpes;izzat a coon pun? 1399271;1454878122;mircea_popescu;no, it's a historical reference. 1399272;1454878139;mircea_popescu;WITH an interspersed poon. 1399273;1454878144;maqp;Base36 would reduce public key length to 56 chars 1399274;1454878144;mircea_popescu;i mean pun 1399275;1454878155;maqp;(checksum included) 1399276;1454878157;mircea_popescu;maqp better than 72 i'd say 1399277;1454878167;maqp;indeed. I'll look into that <: 1399278;1454878178;mircea_popescu;as the saying goes, #b-a presence counts for 30 iq points. 1399279;1454878183;ben_vulpes;aha! 1399280;1454878266;maqp;NaCl also lets you pre-share 256-bit XSalsa20-Poly1305 keys. It was the only practical post-quantum solution at the moment 1399281;1454878275;punkman;I think pronounceable words beat baseX 1399282;1454878308;punkman;http://blog.acolyer.org/2015/10/29/how-to-memorize-a-random-60-bit-string/ some neat ideas in this paper 1399283;1454878309;assbot;How to memorize a random 60-bit string | the morning paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Tkh8 ) 1399284;1454878317;maqp;It's also a lot easier with NaCl than with OTP/CEV (there's a separate command for adding PSKs) 1399285;1454878327;punkman;what's CEV? 1399286;1454878337;maqp;CEV is the cascading encryption version 1399287;1454878350;maqp;basically it's like OTP but with forward secret cascading encryption 1399288;1454878357;mircea_popescu;post-quantum ?! 1399289;1454878359;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399000 << in the sense that most everything i read here gets filed away and pops up unexpectedly elsewhere. but no, not explicitly. 1399290;1454878359;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 16:42:15; mircea_popescu: funny application of the entire symbols vs words debate, incidentally. was it deliberate ? 1399291;1454878376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00056335 = 21.2946 BTC [-] {3} 1399292;1454878384;maqp;Keccak512-CTR - XSalsa20 - Twofish-CTR - AES256-GCM - HMAC-SHA512 - SHA3-512-MAC 1399293;1454878415;maqp;"because why trust on a single cryptographic primitive" makes a lot more sense than "why use information theoretically secure ciphers" 1399294;1454878443;mircea_popescu;you ever looked into cramer-shoup ? 1399295;1454878449;punkman;you can !up yourself now maqp 1399296;1454878503;ben_vulpes;phf: thank you for the rewriting and clarification on why vdiff doesn't on macos. 1399297;1454878539;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399016 << where do the provided explanations fall flat? 1399298;1454878539;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 16:56:01; ascii_rear: ben_vulpes: good 'v' summary - but i'm still waiting for somebody to crap out a treatise re: the philosophical 'why' of it 1399299;1454878681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36722 @ 0.00056906 = 20.897 BTC [+] {2} 1399300;1454878686;maqp;works well 1399301;1454878700;ben_vulpes;well, works. 1399302;1454878710;punkman;"why use information theoretically secure ciphers" << not really plural there, there is only otp 1399303;1454878742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8428 @ 0.00056968 = 4.8013 BTC [+] 1399304;1454878753;ben_vulpes;anyways, i now return you to your regularly scheduled programming 1399305;1454878768;ben_vulpes;the superb owl impends, and the girls need a hand hefting cakes and buckets of wangs 1399306;1454878775;shinohai;>.> 1399307;1454878792;shinohai;Super Owl? O.o 1399308;1454878800;ben_vulpes;supberb* owl 1399309;1454878835;ben_vulpes;you know 1399310;1454878837;shinohai;{o,o} 1399311;1454878839;shinohai;|)__) 1399312;1454878841;shinohai;-”-”- o rly? 1399313;1454878843;ben_vulpes;mountain ponies 1399314;1454878847;ben_vulpes;jungle cats 1399315;1454878864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00056968 = 5.0132 BTC [+] 1399316;1454878869;ben_vulpes;aka racial discourse kittens 1399317;1454878892;punkman;"because why trust on a single cryptographic primitive" << because it's nice if the whole thing fits-in-head, and even if you cascade there is still the possibility of meet-me-in-the-middle attacks or I dunno what else 1399318;1454878950;maqp;punkman: splitting hairs but yeah. Algorithms woul've come closer 1399319;1454878958;maqp;would've* 1399320;1454879049;punkman;maqp: what other algorithms are you thinking of that fit the title? 1399321;1454879065;maqp;one-time MAC 1399322;1454879095;punkman;ah ok 1399323;1454879110;maqp;unconditionally secure authentication fits information theoretically secure algorithms (not ciphers) 1399324;1454879135;maqp;but yeah, my bad <: 1399325;1454879186;mircea_popescu;!up ieephm 1399326;1454879246;mircea_popescu;maqp you ever saw http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/ ? 1399327;1454879247;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWcHH8 ) 1399328;1454879507;fluffypony;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/whatsapp-group-chats-bigger-maximum-size-256-people-users-a6856491.html 1399329;1454879507;assbot;WhatsApp increases group chat size limit to 256 people | News | Lifestyle | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3UzwG ) 1399330;1454879523;fluffypony;"It's not clear why WhatsApp settled on the oddly specific number, but it'll be good news for those users for whom 100 just wasn't big enough." 1399331;1454879535;punkman;heh 1399332;1454879777;maqp;mircea_popescu: Didn't see that. CEV was built to distribute trust over multiple cryptographic primitives and designers 1399333;1454879968;maqp;Snowden hinted something about using cascading at Harvard Privacy Synopsium when he was talking with Schneier. Schneier disagreed but it left me wondering whether Snowden's tongue slipped. Cascading was agreed as a good practice in the Schneier's Friday squid blog so I had a go 1399334;1454880031;maqp;Additive keystreams have very low risk after all and I didn't have to trust single external crypto library 1399335;1454880041;maqp;That's pretty much the story behind CEV 1399336;1454880207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00056133 = 17.4574 BTC [-] {4} 1399337;1454880329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00056088 = 3.7859 BTC [-] {2} 1399338;1454880330;ben_vulpes;what the fuck is this "tongue slipped" 1399339;1454880339;ben_vulpes;faux patriotism routine makes me fucking retch 1399340;1454880603;shinohai;One cannot save what is already hopelessly crumbling. 1399341;1454880639;maqp;AFAIK Snowden hasn't got a degree in math/crypto, but what he said might indicate something in the leaks the journalists chose not to publish. It's a long shot but since there was no harm in cascading... 1399342;1454882220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00056952 = 19.1928 BTC [+] {5} 1399343;1454882352;danielpbarron;;;seen rdymac 1399344;1454882353;gribble;rdymac was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, and 24 seconds ago: Any Rails dev here? 1399345;1454882372;danielpbarron;!rated rdymac 1399346;1454882372;assbot;You rated user rdymac on 07-Dec-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: that bobbaer guy http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2014#947497. 1399347;1454882376;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.rdymac:7d086a2d0691adca56545a6ba7495e533c0b19805f9eab706a138362b2424cd1 1399348;1454882376;assbot;Successfully unrated rdymac 1399349;1454882464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00057165 = 9.8324 BTC [+] 1399350;1454882572;maqp;ben_vulpes: I think you're confusing patriotism with nationalism 1399351;1454882606;danielpbarron;!rated thestringpuller 1399352;1454882606;assbot;You rated user thestringpuller on 08-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/thestringpuller. 1399353;1454882613;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.thestringpuller.1:fac5f227134ae0795380be7386c83629c975a9201a61ee30e1c88e35be8490b1 1399354;1454882613;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 1 to 1 with note: wrote the hard fork missile crisis qntra article 1399355;1454882710;danielpbarron;;;seen thomas_d 1399356;1454882710;gribble;thomas_d was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: xanthyos ? 1399357;1454882721;danielpbarron;!rated thomas_d 1399358;1454882721;assbot;You rated user thomas_d on 24-Nov-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: plays on seals as thomas_dick. 1399359;1454882725;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.thomas_d:9efb94b8241695ed4e1ac3950d1e04460f8c53d60ca67c29fd41cb7621ecc241 1399360;1454882725;assbot;Successfully unrated thomas_d 1399361;1454882816;danielpbarron;;;seen napedia 1399362;1454882816;gribble;napedia was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 51 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive. 1399363;1454882825;danielpbarron;!rated napedia 1399364;1454882825;assbot;You rated user napedia on 17-Nov-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/534321538657308672. 1399365;1454882830;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.napedia:236b863d49c33ccac6b3b7a47ecb08b435f106b4d2d9f1dbf751cb9579a851a5 1399366;1454882830;assbot;Successfully unrated napedia 1399367;1454882853;shinohai;danielpbarron is thinning out the herd O.o 1399368;1454882923;danielpbarron;heh, my list was getting a little too long to fit in my head so to speak 1399369;1454882951;guruvan;seems like people round here need bigger heads 1399370;1454882970;danielpbarron;a year is long enough. picking out the ones with old dates mostly 1399371;1454882986;danielpbarron;;;seen dionyziz 1399372;1454882986;gribble;dionyziz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 17 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: Bye for now. 1399373;1454882998;danielpbarron;!rated dionyziz 1399374;1454882998;assbot;You rated user dionyziz on 06-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: OpenBazaar, http://twitter.com/dionyziz. 1399375;1454883005;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.dionyziz:4934dc5af58b6fd8461a8a34e055cb688a1943e719d247506c3acfded7a455bc 1399376;1454883005;assbot;Successfully unrated dionyziz 1399377;1454883067;*;danielpbarron dusts off hands 1399378;1454883318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38052 @ 0.00056911 = 21.6558 BTC [-] {2} 1399379;1454883440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14483 @ 0.00057349 = 8.3059 BTC [+] {3} 1399380;1454883802;shinohai;http://news.softpedia.com/news/avast-safezone-browser-lets-attackers-access-your-filesystem-499990.shtml /me likes how antivurs companies that can't protect computers from viruses think their luck will be better at web browsers. 1399381;1454883811;shinohai;*antivirus 1399382;1454884355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14128 @ 0.00057382 = 8.1069 BTC [+] {2} 1399383;1454884403;mircea_popescu;guruvan> seems like people round here need bigger heads <<< i thought "the consensus" was b-a heads already too big 1399384;1454885290;ben_vulpes;;;seen naphex 1399385;1454885290;gribble;naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 3 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: . 1399386;1454885349;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yo what happened with xotika? 1399387;1454885358;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1399388;1454885453;ben_vulpes;heh anyways i just cracked xotika, picked a random feed and whaddaya know the last frame of the bloomberg video that autoplayed itself is superimposed on this poor girl's face 1399389;1454885483;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: hurt Naphex' feelings with the camho piece? 1399390;1454885546;ben_vulpes;the thing has like 4 girls online atm 1399391;1454885565;shinohai;!up pussyfreak 1399392;1454885569;mircea_popescu;uh i dun see it. guy was gonna do some things, then got sick, then came back, then never did the things. i dunno, lost interest or w/e. 1399393;1454885584;pussyfreak;cheers 1399394;1454885593;mircea_popescu;i'm not exactly in the business of pushing people to do things. 1399395;1454885598;mircea_popescu;who're you pussyfreak ? 1399396;1454885617;pussyfreak;i'm a friend of shinohai 1399397;1454885630;pussyfreak;bitcoiner 1399398;1454885678;shinohai;Programs in Java but I won't hold it against him. 1399399;1454885686;shinohai;pollon. 1399400;1454885687;pussyfreak;xD 1399401;1454885693;pussyfreak;mostly nodejs these days 1399402;1454885696;pussyfreak;thankfully 1399403;1454885732;maqp;mircea_popescu: I looked at the backlog someone linked me and I wanted to address one thing about TFC using it 1399404;1454885750;maqp;since you and ascii_rear disapproved 1399405;1454885758;mircea_popescu;link to the line in log for context ? 1399406;1454885764;maqp;sure just a second 1399407;1454885788;maqp;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-2-2016#1399034 1399408;1454885788;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 17:03:55; punkman: also uses dbus to talk to pidgin 1399409;1454885838;maqp;I completely agree with ioerror on that "pidgin is a flock of zero-days flying in formation" 1399410;1454885858;maqp;However, the entire computer Pidgin is running on is not part of the trusted computing base. 1399411;1454885917;mircea_popescu;i think we understand that yeah. 1399412;1454885920;maqp;plaintext input, output, encryption, decryption, key generation and storage happens on separate computers 1399413;1454885924;maqp;great <: 1399414;1454885954;mircea_popescu;that was my point : that if he was going to barf over tor, which doesn't actually matter or significantly touch the scheme, might as well pick any other random unrelated item 1399415;1454885967;maqp;So Pidgin is just a way to transmit ciphertexts from dbus to XMPP server 1399416;1454885969;mircea_popescu;eg pigdin 1399417;1454886021;mircea_popescu;but anyway, tor has a miserable reputation here, publicly due to http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ but otherwise ancient. 1399418;1454886022;assbot;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Te2i8l ) 1399419;1454886182;maqp;I'll have to read the article. Tor sucks slides indicate it puts up a fight even against FVEY agencies 1399420;1454886258;maqp;Sure it has it has it's problems. But the only alternative is secure-by-policy VPN 1399421;1454886294;maqp;I'd prefer secure by design approach any time 1399422;1454886356;maqp;But if you find Tor insecure and suspect someone is remotely breaching for example your Tails live session 1399423;1454886368;maqp;Then TFC can really help since Tails and Pidgin only see TFC ciphertexts 1399424;1454886402;mircea_popescu;aha. 1399425;1454886417;mircea_popescu;you should prolly also look into the vaporware that still is gossipd. 1399426;1454886424;maqp;So breaking the anonymity won't reveal content of chat that could compromise their identity 1399427;1454886446;maqp;Vaporware? 1399428;1454886541;mircea_popescu;it's this secure communication thing dreamed up by b-a. 1399429;1454886544;mircea_popescu;!s gossipd 1399430;1454886544;assbot;239 results for 'gossipd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossipd 1399431;1454886557;mircea_popescu;we've not really got around to doing much practically with it. 1399432;1454886856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36541 @ 0.00056961 = 20.8141 BTC [-] {2} 1399433;1454887035;hanbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes << dude srsly who named their node "mine", how the fuck'm i gonna search logs for it. 1399434;1454887036;assbot;the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b ) 1399435;1454887137;maqp;are you referring to this? https://github.com/JosephSWilliams/urcd 1399436;1454887139;assbot;GitHub - JosephSWilliams/urcd ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rz31nT ) 1399437;1454887258;hanbot;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1280954 << mircea_popescu, care to better dub the poor thing? 1399438;1454887258;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 11:51:55; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159 1399439;1454887288;maqp;"URC can be as private and secure as military systems" 1399440;1454887305;mircea_popescu;hanbot iirc that one's dead. 1399441;1454887336;mircea_popescu;maqp no, it's a not-yet implemented, not-yet fully designed irc/pigdin/mail/etc replacement 1399442;1454887339;kakobrekla;on that matter, how are you going to search for 'v'? 1399443;1454887349;mircea_popescu;myeah 1399444;1454887374;kakobrekla;or other single letter contraptions. 1399445;1454887425;maqp;Is there a memo on that design? 1399446;1454887480;phf;maqp: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ 1399447;1454887481;assbot;[Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRGplr ) 1399448;1454887483;maqp;(IMO you should be spending your efforts on Ricochet or fork it.) 1399449;1454887502;maqp;Ok, I'll skim it 1399450;1454887588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00056807 = 11.5602 BTC [-] {2} 1399451;1454887652;hanbot;kakobrekla vspace isn't too horrid, aside from the voice stuff...which i guess makes it an unfortunate choice. at least it's not a heh. 1399452;1454887662;hanbot;mircea_popescu oic. 1399453;1454887680;maqp;I see nothing being discussed about forward secrecy or deniability 1399454;1454887682;phf;maqp: that was the original proposal, that outlines some principles, but there's been a lot of discussion in the logs about it 1399455;1454887691;mircea_popescu;maqp neither of these are of any interest here. 1399456;1454887710;maqp;So it's a secure chat with track record? 1399457;1454887717;maqp;Have you discussed the threat model? 1399458;1454887763;mircea_popescu;you'll probably get overloaded with reading material, but anyway, the general idea is that only children could possibly imagine anonimity is a sufficient substitute for lack of sovereignity. a reasona . a discussion in more detail is in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ 1399459;1454887765;assbot;Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWP4nr ) 1399460;1454887979;maqp;The article steers away from infosec discourse faster than CRC32 collision. I skipped to the end-- 1399461;1454887997;kakobrekla;!s v -!v 1399462;1454887998;assbot;0 results for 'v -!v' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=v+-%21v 1399463;1454888002;kakobrekla;muh 1399464;1454888029;mircea_popescu;well it would, because we don't even agree on what "infosec" is. 1399465;1454888072;maqp;There's nothing bad being a Moose. It can be hard to be a moose when your family is being tortured in another room when you chose not to use anonymity to hide participation in dissidence movement 1399466;1454888088;maqp;I think we need both 1399467;1454888094;mircea_popescu;people with families do not belong in "dissidence movements", providing such exist. 1399468;1454888141;maqp;it depends on how well they can weigh the threat and what track record the tools of their OPSEC have 1399469;1454888177;mircea_popescu;no, they philosophically have no business there. once you've decided to settle down and reproduce, you've by that token accepted the world as is, declared your own submission to it and all that. 1399470;1454888194;maqp;It doesn't have to be a family, it might be a parent, friend, someone we look up to 1399471;1454888195;mircea_popescu;what's this game of everythingsies, i wanna be tanned but also untanned and sit in the sun and the moon at the same time bla bla. 1399472;1454888206;mircea_popescu;if you are the sort of person who cares, you are the sort of person who cares. 1399473;1454888225;mircea_popescu;no amount of "infosec" is going to change the fact that for any discussion on these lines, you go with the sucker herd. 1399474;1454888285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2016#1382256 << something like that. 1399475;1454888285;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live. 1399476;1454888503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15097 @ 0.00056651 = 8.5526 BTC [-] {2} 1399477;1454888578;maqp;Well, we must depend on those who are able to do something then given their current social and societal situation 1399478;1454888663;maqp;But I fail to see the rat in the sewer, when you're giving the government a finger by bouncing traffic across the globe 1399479;1454888686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00056083 = 9.4472 BTC [-] {2} 1399480;1454888729;mircea_popescu;well now you lost me. 1399481;1454888772;maqp;So the urban vs rural talks about anonymity being a "rat in a sewer" 1399482;1454888780;mircea_popescu;anyway, the model gossipd is supposed to use is, you pass along traffic to your peers, if you're satisfied that it comes from either youself or a peer. it's a sort of messaging-over-wot. exactly like v works. 1399483;1454888808;maqp;v works? 1399484;1454888821;mircea_popescu;v does work yes, it's how bitcoin is installed currently. 1399485;1454888828;phf;ben_vulpes: ty 1399486;1454888830;maqp;v? * 1399487;1454888852;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/02/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system.html << there's a discussion. or if you prefer to see code, 1399488;1454888853;assbot;V-tronics 101: A gentle introduction to The Most Serene Republic of Bitcoin's cryptographically-backed version control system ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWQIFF ) 1399489;1454888859;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ 1399490;1454888860;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) 1399491;1454888936;maqp;Can you give a tldr on how ciphertexts propagate in the network? 1399492;1454889052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00056019 = 25.9928 BTC [-] {5} 1399493;1454889054;phf;maqp: in case of gossip there's no propagation. it's a p2p where each node, explicitly your peer, makes claims about what was said or heard elsewhere. не веришь, прими за сказку 1399494;1454889121;mircea_popescu;i doubt he speaks russian. 1399495;1454889129;mircea_popescu;let's walk through this maqp 1399496;1454889134;maqp;sure 1399497;1454889158;mircea_popescu;i wish to say "Hi" to you. my peers are X, Y and Z. i encrypt "please say Hi for me to maqp" with X, Y, Z pubkeys. 1399498;1454889179;mircea_popescu;X, Y and Z see this, and if they like me enough, and if they have your pubkey, pass along the Hi to you. 1399499;1454889284;mircea_popescu;basically the whole system is an implementation of "have you heard what X said", but with computers. 1399500;1454889300;maqp;So are you signing the plaintext before you send it to the peer? 1399501;1454889306;mircea_popescu;you are not signing anything. 1399502;1454889317;mircea_popescu;the information you receive is only as good as the trustworthyness of your peers. 1399503;1454889331;maqp;So a friend who holds a grudge on you can change a message? 1399504;1454889335;mircea_popescu;yup. 1399505;1454889339;mircea_popescu;moreover, they should. 1399506;1454889358;mircea_popescu;the power of the system is exactly this : that an attacker doesn't know NOR CAN KNOW if he';s being sybilled to death or not. 1399507;1454889412;maqp;so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy 1399508;1454889468;mircea_popescu;complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust. 1399509;1454889521;mircea_popescu;you know, sorta how language works. 1399510;1454889543;maqp;Why couldn't this work on OTR. I have a OTR messaging with my friend and I ask them to relay a message for me to someone peer has on their contacts? 1399511;1454889559;mircea_popescu;you don't know who he has in his contacts. 1399512;1454889611;maqp;Okay, so basically I tell my peer that this message should at some point reach my contact 1399513;1454889614;maqp;and evetually it will reach them 1399514;1454889635;mircea_popescu;consider what happened in gossipd when i said the line above : "<mircea_popescu> you don't know who he has in his contacts.". buncha nodes that i know went "we heard mp say so" to their downlist 1399515;1454889645;mircea_popescu;responses may or may not reach me. 1399516;1454889656;mircea_popescu;a line going "hey maqp" may or may not reach you. 1399517;1454889745;mircea_popescu;as far as anyone who wasn't there is concerned, this may as well be a fabrication altogether. and so on. 1399518;1454889773;maqp;Why not instead have a public repository of all public keys similar to Tor 1399519;1454889802;mircea_popescu;because why would i gift upon a would-be atacker that;s really a lame ass kid unable to on hios own merit secure the cost of a proper burial 1399520;1454889803;maqp;then when you want to send a message to contact, you encrypt the message with the public key and ask users to pass along the ciphertext 1399521;1454889806;mircea_popescu;a whole and complete list of keys ? 1399522;1454889859;maqp;Why not? To have even a tiny bit of integrity you need trustworthy peer network 1399523;1454889870;mircea_popescu;i don't want any integrity outside of what my wot provides. 1399524;1454889880;mircea_popescu;it's probably a lie anyway. 1399525;1454889905;maqp;The point is, unless you encrypt the message, anyone might have created the plaintext 1399526;1454889909;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1399527;1454889916;maqp;unless you sign* 1399528;1454889918;mircea_popescu;this is a good thing. 1399529;1454889919;maqp;you can encrypt 1399530;1454889936;maqp;and you can be assured that only the recipient will read what you sent 1399531;1454889952;maqp;so you get secrecy without affecting the anonymity 1399532;1454889957;mircea_popescu;but i do not wish to be assured this ; moreover this "assurance" you provide is false, in substantially the same manner your idea of "infosec" misses security. 1399533;1454889970;mircea_popescu;think about it. can i be assured ? maybe the person saves it in plaintext and loses the laptop 1399534;1454889972;mircea_popescu;what "assured" ? 1399535;1454890013;mircea_popescu;the only assurance to be had here comes from a gossipd model. where anyone could have written the plaintext, and for all anyone POORLY CONNECTED knows, they probably did. 1399536;1454890133;maqp;Yeah, I'm afraid there's really no situation this could be used in 1399537;1454890150;BingoBoingo; heh anyways i just cracked xotika, picked a random feed and whaddaya know the last frame of the bloomberg video that autoplayed itself is superimposed on this poor girl's face << Known bug on Chromium using OS X and Nvidia 1399538;1454890163;mircea_popescu;maqp i'll use it once it's finally done. but anyway. 1399539;1454890172;maqp;Security is, and has always been about adding layers, enough layers to make attack unbeneficial to attacker 1399540;1454890179;maqp;usually, expensive enough 1399541;1454890204;mircea_popescu;as far as i see that's pseudosecurity. security is and always has been about being secure. 1399542;1454890227;mircea_popescu;adding layers is how you end up making agincourt famous. 1399543;1454890305;maqp;There is no way your system can defeat targeted SIGINT monitoring attack, where government drives within a few hundred meters and collects signals emitted by your keyboard cable. 1399544;1454890320;mircea_popescu;other than by shooting on sight anyone caught doing that. 1399545;1454890325;maqp;Should we abandon all security because security isn't absoulte? 1399546;1454890354;maqp;The range with illuminated retro reflectors is up to 10 miles. You going to shoot anybody within that range? 1399547;1454890356;mircea_popescu;well, there's no "we". but i have no interest in adding layers of sheet metal to my limo when everyone shot got shot getting in or getting out of the limo. 1399548;1454890386;mircea_popescu;sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now. 1399549;1454890459;maqp;Okay. I really hope you end up creating somethign cool. Just be sure to get someone elses opinion too 1399550;1454890483;mircea_popescu;aha. 1399551;1454890612;BingoBoingo;Ah, there's always someone trying to find an easier, softer, way. 1399552;1454890812;maqp;It's just that this type of nihilistic reasoning and security t-bones with the standard infosec discourse so badly I can't offer advice. 1399553;1454890924;maqp;If you're passionate about the project, I hope you dive into it, write a paper on this and prove us wrong. 1399554;1454890943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00056438 = 13.8273 BTC [+] {2} 1399555;1454890960;phf;who's us? 1399556;1454891002;maqp;me and whoever might agree with me 1399557;1454891006;mircea_popescu;yes, that's kinda the point of b-a. it t-bones with standard * discourse so badly, as you put it. 1399558;1454891315;phf;maqp: there's a number of existing cryptographic primitives that, depending on the fashions, are combined with each other in various obvious ways. we understand your approach, because it's obvious, and there similar existing attempts. you find our approach ~confusing~, maybe there's a hidden point that you're missing. a thread model that you're not quiet grokking. 1399559;1454891327;phf;*threat 1399560;1454891493;mircea_popescu;in fairness, person walks into the republican capitol. there's ALL THIS SHIT. it'd be impossible not to feel even the little bit queasy. 1399561;1454891510;mircea_popescu;you fuckers've not been idle for the past years. 1399562;1454891710;maqp;phf: Well, when you look at history of TLS, you'll notice that modes of operation are not obvious. My approach for TFC is first of it's kind (at least in FOSS world). My approach on a-b is to see whether CIA-triad is fulfilled. If my peer can be tricked into sending messages to infiltrator / network attack that changes a single public key etc. all security is lost 1399563;1454891798;mircea_popescu;what's a cia-triad ? 1399564;1454891820;maqp;confidentiality, integrity, availability 1399565;1454891897;mircea_popescu;incidentally - your tinfoil suite is not at issue here. and actually to circle back to an earlier point : 1399566;1454891908;mircea_popescu;you ever thought about selling i dunno, optic diode kits or something ? 1399567;1454891931;maqp;It's a complicated problem. Let me quote an expert on this 1399568;1454892016;maqp;http://pastebin.com/H5LMVB6f 1399569;1454892017;assbot;One of the reasons I decided not to use optocouplers is a story I got from a fr - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ojjxvS ) 1399570;1454892075;maqp;Basically, LEDs and phototransistors might be secure against interdiction attacks, but the problem is finding a properly functioning pair 1399571;1454892107;mircea_popescu;this is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard. 1399572;1454892110;maqp;I think it's more safe if people download manuals from the network, and then buy COTS hardware and build data diodes / HWRNG themselves 1399573;1454892118;mircea_popescu;do you seriously imagine this is how this works ?! 1399574;1454892130;maqp;What works? 1399575;1454892131;mircea_popescu;one day someone calls up foxconn and is like hey guise... can i have fridge in cpu ? 1399576;1454892203;mircea_popescu;at best this is a little bit of pious fraud. 1399577;1454892226;maqp;Too bad we can't have a mature discussion about this 1399578;1454892274;mircea_popescu;we can't possibly have a mature discussion about the silly in that dpaste. 1399579;1454892284;mircea_popescu;understand : bitcoin consists of billions of dollars worth of custom run chips. "we"'d know. 1399580;1454892328;mircea_popescu;anyway : it'd be better, of course, if users made their own. but users don't make their own, for many reasons, chief among which that they're lazy. do you specifically not want to market a product ? 1399581;1454892433;maqp;There is absolutely no way to guarantee delivery against interdiction. So unless the device uses unbackdoorable components, then no. 1399582;1454892471;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1399583;1454892520;maqp;hardware you get from mail can be backdoored. https://leaksource.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/nsa-tao-cisco-interdiction.jpg 1399584;1454892521;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ojknZq ) 1399585;1454892540;maqp;Oh, that picture is classified Top Secret 1399586;1454892565;maqp;so if you're emplyed by US gov it's illegal to view it 1399587;1454892588;maqp;unless you have the clearance 1399588;1454892627;mircea_popescu;you understand the difference between a gps beacon and some sort of tiny subvertor that'd fit inside an optodiode somehow ? 1399589;1454892662;maqp;you understand the size of required logic and NSA running best fab in the world? ;) 1399590;1454892669;mircea_popescu;uh. 1399591;1454892706;mircea_popescu;define "best". 1399592;1454892730;maqp;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/01/10/nsa_runs_best_fab/ 1399593;1454892730;assbot;NSA runs best fab in world • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ojkKmZ ) 1399594;1454892757;mircea_popescu;so you're suspicious that your mail may be subverted, but you don't suspect pravda might be ? 1399595;1454892778;mircea_popescu;tell you what, the best korea register has a story about how that fatass what's his name runs the best fab in the world. 1399596;1454892938;mircea_popescu;Kim Jong-un 1399597;1454892945;maqp;The site uses nsa.gov as a source. If you can disprove their claims, it should make quite a scandal 1399598;1454893003;maqp;But like I said, all the best. It's 3am I'm off. Night everyone! 1399599;1454893022;mircea_popescu;i'll just wait for reality to disprove their claims instead. heck, they're still making the best invisibly-visible aircraft-submarine scooba diving platform, or whatever that was. 1399600;1454897725;phf;;;later tell maqp if i were you i'd split tfc.pdf into separate papers. HWRNG, data diode communication, tfc otp, tfc cev and "rationale", the last one to include all the superfluous NSA shoutouts 1399601;1454897725;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399602;1454898111;phf;;;later tell maqp on a cursory inspection i couldn't figure out how the protocol decides between otp and cev, how those are identified on the wire, etc. is that up to the user? 1399603;1454898111;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399604;1454898141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00056963 = 15.2946 BTC [+] {3} 1399605;1454898145;phf;also having read the paper, i stand by my words 1399606;1454898209;phf;for extra lulz paper includes proof of otp perfect secrecy taken from a coursera cryptography course 1399607;1454898422;phf;it is also filled with the kind of things that will give asciilifeform a severe twitch: guy takes hardware rng, runs it on raspberry pi gpio, whiteness the result, and then xors in /dev/urandom. you know, for the kids! 1399608;1454898629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6230 @ 0.00056331 = 3.5094 BTC [-] {2} 1399609;1454899024;BingoBoingo;Ah, the best fab piece is from 2001. Plenty of time since then. 1399610;1454899829;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1399611;1454899836;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.25, vol: 2844.61927419 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.107, vol: 4527.00977 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 374.65, vol: 11600.84299638 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 0.07478758 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.016929, vol: 15976.75890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 374.5001, vol: 229.92817798 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 380.2821504, vol: 16.85402986 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1399612;1454899904;BingoBoingo;;;more 1399613;1454899904;gribble;average: 381.177517556 1399614;1454899914;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1399615;1454899922;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2545.0, vol: 15996.97790000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2545.0 1399616;1454900043;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1399617;1454900046;gribble;Current Blocks: 397314 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 1853 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1399618;1454900417;mircea_popescu;phf internet produces necessarily a mixed bag. still, the guy correctly identified a workable airgap scheme on his own, should count for something. 1399619;1454900457;danielpbarron;he kinda reminds me of that dude who showed up in #eulora talking about how things are done in gaming or whatever 1399620;1454900473;mircea_popescu;nah, that dude was annoying. 1399621;1454900549;BingoBoingo;It's things like these and the /. comments that reveal's everyone's tolerance for anthropology 1399622;1454900607;BingoBoingo;A test https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/3/3b/Glomped_weeaboo_horrors.png/800px-Glomped_weeaboo_horrors.png 1399623;1454900608;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20Q9sUZ ) 1399624;1454900691;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude i just laughed hysterically at the korean derp on horse pic. 1399625;1454900695;mircea_popescu;you did this deliberately didn't you ? 1399626;1454900744;BingoBoingo;What. Preet got a picture. I figured I needed to get a picture for Kim when he tested the new bomb. 1399627;1454900773;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure it's a shoop. Kim's kinda a ham. 1399628;1454900780;mircea_popescu;just cuz of the horseback meme. 1399629;1454900847;BingoBoingo;Gotta keep the memes alive 1399630;1454900969;BingoBoingo;Anyways the picuture was found on the internet wilds, likely shooped by Kim himself 1399631;1454901045;BingoBoingo;In other news, apparently contemporary LISP machine is not a thing, but PASCAL machine is http://oberonstation.x10.mx/ 1399632;1454901048;assbot;OberonStation - The Oberon computing platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJizmQ ) 1399633;1454901722;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/d/de/Whatchild.jpg 1399634;1454901723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJjioe ) 1399635;1454901922;danielpbarron;epic photobomb 1399636;1454902086;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/e/e1/Hambeast_prime_weeaboo_horror.jpg 1399637;1454902087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJjIej ) 1399638;1454902631;punkman;http://dev.webonomic.nl/how-to-disable-css-transforms-transistions-and-animations 1399639;1454903691;BingoBoingo;!up Alopex 1399640;1454903695;punkman;"-hey guys remember ? -Yeah... -I just reimplemented it in our browser, but even cooler. - So where do I turn this off now? -Why would you ever want to turn this off?" 1399641;1454905606;punkman;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.crypt/oFdR-hzc83w rsa for scheme, and some lulz after that 1399642;1454905608;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4pSHW ) 1399643;1454906064;BingoBoingo;I thought R5RS was the good scheme? 1399644;1454907511;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? 1399645;1454907511;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 00:40:16; maqp: http://pastebin.com/H5LMVB6f 1399646;1454907590;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399606 << ahahahahahaha 1399647;1454907590;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 02:23:29; phf: for extra lulz paper includes proof of otp perfect secrecy taken from a coursera cryptography course 1399648;1454907653;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399618 << actually fella reminds me of the medieval folk who tried to build gliders and splat 1399649;1454907653;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 03:00:17; mircea_popescu: phf internet produces necessarily a mixed bag. still, the guy correctly identified a workable airgap scheme on his own, should count for something. 1399650;1454907671;asciilifeform;very depressing. 1399651;1454907815;punkman;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it 1399652;1454907815;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 00:40:16; maqp: http://pastebin.com/H5LMVB6f 1399653;1454907855;asciilifeform;;;later tell maqp http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399589 << work us through an example of what a subverted diode ought to do. assume a builder with infinite money and hatred of all things good and bright. 1399654;1454907855;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 00:51:02; maqp: you understand the size of required logic and NSA running best fab in the world? ;) 1399655;1454907855;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399656;1454907860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some sillyness about how some derp prankcalled an unnamed silicon manufacturer, pretended to be a secret agency so secret not even the name is known, asked for a spec on an unspecified cpu packaging other than "it must be just like irl ones" and received a 100k firm bid on the phone as long as he provides "his ip" 1399657;1454907866;mircea_popescu;it was something else. 1399658;1454907962;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/vhyZk << found it, ty punkman 1399659;1454907963;assbot;One of the reasons I decided not to use optocouplers is a story I got from a fr - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sak7Z7 ) 1399660;1454908051;asciilifeform;incidentally, even supposing the great satan knew how to fit an entire battalion of snitches and three whole atomic bombs into an optocoupler, the fun part re: using standard analogue parts is that YOU CAN GET THEM FROM ANCIENT MACHINES 1399661;1454908057;asciilifeform;including soviet etc. 1399662;1454908087;mircea_popescu;i'd actually very much want to see this wunderwaffen where they put bluetooth in the optoitem. 1399663;1454908131;asciilifeform;reasonably it wouldn't be bluetooth but one of the 'shitmonkey' or what was it called, from snowden-II document, simple short-range radio thing 1399664;1454908159;asciilifeform;use one of the legs, or power supply, or whole bus, as antenna. 1399665;1454908174;mircea_popescu;in parts the reddit-powered "infosec" "community" sounds a lot more like some sort of clinically relevant entomophobia in imminent danger of taking the leap into delusional parasitosis. 1399666;1454908199;asciilifeform;dragos ruiu et al 1399667;1454908204;mircea_popescu;aha remember him 1399668;1454908227;asciilifeform;lulzily i was actually in the midst of prototyping a simple bios diddler when that came out 1399669;1454908267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6247 @ 0.00057382 = 3.5847 BTC [+] {2} 1399670;1454908328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23603 @ 0.0005745 = 13.5599 BTC [+] {2} 1399671;1454908354;asciilifeform;delusional parasitosis is built from two basic components - collective 'tooth-licking' (as naggum called it), where buncha folks happily 'folie a deux' together 2) palpable powerlessness, 'no microscope anywhere can possibly see the bugs', etc 1399672;1454908383;asciilifeform;panic in the face of what is seen as infinitely powerful devil 1399673;1454908418;mircea_popescu;the irony of the situation being that the soviets weren't nearly as impressed by the significantly more powerful soviet state. 1399674;1454908435;asciilifeform;because it was palpably made of 'folks who smell of vodka just like me' 1399675;1454908439;asciilifeform;or somethinglikethat 1399676;1454908450;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be 1399677;1454908451;asciilifeform;there was not the hard caste delineation. 1399678;1454908454;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'ma bbl! 1399679;1454908459;*;asciilifeform also bbl. 1399680;1454910677;punkman;http://www.adacrypt.co.uk/ 1399681;1454910679;assbot;Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1SDp3X2 ) 1399682;1454910826;punkman;http://popcryspri11.blogspot.com/p/legend-of-adacrypt.html 1399683;1454910827;assbot;Popular Cryptography Magazine Spring 2011: The Legend of Adacrypt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZbqJy ) 1399684;1454917234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00057462 = 4.8555 BTC [+] {2} 1399685;1454924676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.0005733 = 7.5389 BTC [-] {2} 1399686;1454927909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0005733 = 4.0704 BTC [-] 1399687;1454937400;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399651 << you're welcome :p 1399688;1454937400;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 05:03:35; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it 1399689;1454937424;danielpbarron;i don't always archive links, but i had a feeling someone would be asking about that noe 1399690;1454942244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27654 @ 0.0005733 = 15.854 BTC [-] 1399691;1454943805;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market djia 1399692;1454943806;gribble;Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all' 1399693;1454944778;nubbins`;CRLF is the standard newline 1399694;1454945177;deedbot-;[Qntra] Falling Aluminum Prices And Unforgiving Electricity Prices Force Noranda Aluminum Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/02/falling-aluminum-prices-and-unforgiving-electricity-prices-force-noranda-aluminum-bankruptcy/ 1399695;1454945190;BingoBoingo;^ Qntra metals desk returns! 1399696;1454945607;nubbins`;finally 1399697;1454945628;nubbins`;no coincidence that it reappears after yrs trooly 1399698;1454945713;BingoBoingo;It's a wild nubbins` 1399699;1454945715;mircea_popescu;!up liquidassets 1399700;1454945767;nubbins`;i need a 3.5mm TRRS to 3x RCA cable 1399701;1454945886;BingoBoingo;!UP ascii_butugychag 1399702;1454945886;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Node caught back up I think my issue is the crap box I am running it on. Going to start shopping for better node hardware I guess. 1399703;1454945886;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399704;1454945900;ascii_butugychag;wb nubbins` ! 1399705;1454945906;ascii_butugychag;how was the submarine ? 1399706;1454945907;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Your node locked up too? 1399707;1454945919;nubbins`;ty! the air was stale, not to my liking. had to resurface 1399708;1454945928;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399682 << glorious timecube 1399709;1454945928;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 05:53:46; punkman: http://popcryspri11.blogspot.com/p/legend-of-adacrypt.html 1399710;1454945934;shinohai;Yup BingoBoingo I keep getting connection boots, had trouble all weekend keeping it online. 1399711;1454945968;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Ah mine just froze about 10-11 hours ago, finally eating blocks again 1399712;1454946022;shinohai;I started another node on Friday on my friends server, it is still catching up. But I think it showed me I need to upgrade some equipments. 1399713;1454946201;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know of any working implementations of cramer-shoup other than the emacslisp one i linked last week ? 1399714;1454946202;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399715;1454946209;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so where've you been 1399716;1454946215;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i do not. 1399717;1454946232;ascii_butugychag;mega-unsurprise, they don't appear to exist 1399718;1454946235;shinohai;I guess it isn't much in the face of Bitcoin Classic's 100's of nodes "coming soon" but trying to do my part. 1399719;1454946255;shinohai;*1000's 1399720;1454946310;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag hey, it's a mature field. 1399721;1454946322;mircea_popescu;sadly all everyone planted were turds, but the field's manure alright 1399722;1454946325;mircea_popescu;oops, i mean mature. 1399723;1454946330;ascii_butugychag;l0l aha 1399724;1454946366;ascii_butugychag;i suppose this then is one of those 'salvation of the drowning..' situations. 1399725;1454946402;mircea_popescu;like oh... everything else to fucking date. 1399726;1454946422;mircea_popescu;one day im going to meet these people in heaven, or else organise a special safari to hell, and give them a piece of my mind. 1399727;1454946477;ascii_butugychag;where did the diode fella who came in from the cold come from ? 1399728;1454946484;thestringpuller;remember though. bitcoin classic is still in beta. and it's chinese new year. and other things. 1399729;1454946500;nubbins`;mircea_popescu same place just w/ less computer usage 1399730;1454946518;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag punkman's wide net of stuff / danielpbarron invitede him 1399731;1454946535;ascii_butugychag;ah 1399732;1454946558;ascii_butugychag;i always found interesting the kind of lice and worms these folks usually walk in with 1399733;1454946567;punkman;the timecube motherlode http://editionsassailly.com/dissidents_english.htm 1399734;1454946568;assbot;Editions d'Assailly ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rd1u5 ) 1399735;1454946587;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag self-directed education always looks like this. 1399736;1454946592;nubbins`;made a buncha books. been brewing a lotta beer 1399737;1454946607;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag you sound like the health food store people. "drink this dewormer before you enter" 1399738;1454946608;mircea_popescu;good for you eh. 1399739;1454946616;ascii_butugychag;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188842 1399740;1454946616;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 23:53:20; asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end' 1399741;1454946653;mircea_popescu;the recent debias-otp-plaintext thing being a splendid if amusing example in this exact line. 1399742;1454946691;ascii_butugychag;i was surprised how nobody reacted to that mega-l0ltr0n 1399743;1454946710;mircea_popescu;(meanwhile i asked for the why and wherefore of the "debiasing" of the plaintext. "no you idiot, it's so you burn less otp. what the fuck's wrong with you!") 1399744;1454946726;ascii_butugychag;^ aha! dingdingding correct 1399745;1454946750;mod6;shinohai: ok thanks for the update. let us know how it goes. 1399746;1454946763;ascii_butugychag;running out of otp is rather like running out of ammo, 1399747;1454946774;ascii_butugychag;but with the difference that one might, given a miracle, find more ammo 1399748;1454946782;ascii_butugychag;whereas your otp in the field is the one you have. 1399749;1454946788;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag see, bering the commander of a glorious, victorious army unit does not protect one from dying in a drunken bar brawl. 1399750;1454946793;mircea_popescu;local maxima can get you every time. 1399751;1454946825;nubbins`;re: ex-ss agent shaun bridges: hyper-lel 1399752;1454946837;mircea_popescu;nubbins` think about it for a second : that man had no friends. 1399753;1454946841;ascii_butugychag;and in defense of mircea_popescu , the arithmetical boojum involved was a subtle one, sorta like montyhall 1399754;1454946848;mircea_popescu;a fifteen year old in what alf calls "orc" lands has at leastr a coupla of friends. 1399755;1454946856;mircea_popescu;that man, that redditards are supposed to be affraid of, had none. 1399756;1454946861;mircea_popescu;what life is this ? what power, what glory. 1399757;1454946884;nubbins`;mircea_popescu my heart empathetically raced as i imagined the empty pit of despair engulfing him at the moment of re-arrest 1399758;1454946905;nubbins`;the korean term for this is literally translated as "smelling sesame oil" 1399759;1454946909;mircea_popescu;like the idiot thief, sorry he got caught, not sorry he's the sort of dumbass that feeds himself in the least effectual way, yes. 1399760;1454946920;mircea_popescu;a bettrer man would have despaired when realising that he has no soul to rely on. 1399761;1454946936;nubbins`;a better man'd be worm food decades ago 1399762;1454946949;ascii_butugychag;^ 1399763;1454946952;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1399764;1454946953;nubbins`;what a lel. i wonder what /else/ they nabbed him with. 1399765;1454946967;ascii_butugychag;likely, the keyz 1399766;1454946971;ascii_butugychag;which was the whole point. 1399767;1454946971;nubbins`;^ 1399768;1454946977;ascii_butugychag;(of 'letting him go') 1399769;1454946986;mircea_popescu;so far the usg is like 3-0 for "kidnapped, murdered and extorted keys" 1399770;1454946990;nubbins`;they pointedly stated that the released list of bounty was abridged 1399771;1454947023;mircea_popescu;ofcourse, they're mostly doing their own people, but anyway. 1399772;1454947036;ascii_butugychag;'the spice must flow', the waterfall gotta get refilled 1399773;1454947044;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1399774;1454947061;*;nubbins` imagines future heavily-fractured internet reminiscent of times of old, "warez & keyz" web rings &c 1399775;1454947084;ascii_butugychag;nubbins`: nobody ever cancelled it 1399776;1454947097;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!" 1399777;1454947114;mircea_popescu;no you fucking idiot, it won't. "anonimity" is what got you in the pickle in thefirst place, you don't want more of it. you want fucking less. 1399778;1454947129;nubbins`;ascii_butugychag in this fantasy, the s:n ratio is back where it was 1399779;1454947132;mircea_popescu;my article specifically says "it will make kids lose their mind", and kid with lost mind reads it and it helps naught. 1399780;1454947208;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: possibly kid imagines that the company of others leads directly to 'militia', and usg stoolies, and straight into jail 1399781;1454947217;mircea_popescu;if this is so, THIS has to be fixed. 1399782;1454947231;ascii_butugychag;which, for the typical usaschwitz 'dissident' - may well be ~true~ 1399783;1454947236;mircea_popescu;irrespective! 1399784;1454947246;mircea_popescu;his present reasoning is "eating hurts, so i'll stop eating". 1399785;1454947253;mircea_popescu;bitch, you stop eating you die. now swallow. 1399786;1454947289;ascii_butugychag;and his answer may well be 'i'll die of starvation instead of eating fallout, fuckyou' 1399787;1454947303;mircea_popescu;fallout won't kill you. 1399788;1454947309;ascii_butugychag;godel famously starved because, in his words, he was convinced that he was being poisoned. 1399789;1454947318;mircea_popescu;on the contrary ; a) make farts visible in the night ; b) maybe you acquire flight. 1399790;1454947329;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag and godel famously wasn't quite together. 1399791;1454947348;ascii_butugychag;no shit 1399792;1454947366;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is where alf's celebrated "engineering is separation" comes in. 1399793;1454947370;mircea_popescu;fix the food, but eat it. 1399794;1454947374;mircea_popescu;trust, but verify. 1399795;1454947376;mircea_popescu;all that jazz. 1399796;1454947496;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/845983 1399797;1454947497;assbot;Using their weight against them (old shitlording I forgot) | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbnKhz ) 1399798;1454947503;BingoBoingo;^ Related 1399799;1454947612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21310 @ 0.00057266 = 12.2034 BTC [-] 1399800;1454947621;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it is almost possible to catalogue the cockroaches typically infesting n00b heads - for instance, having a set of 'too big to contemplate' steps, such as junking 'nacl' et al and writing own libs 1399801;1454947631;ascii_butugychag;'but mustn't do that, schneier told us never to write own crypto' 1399802;1454947631;ascii_butugychag;etc 1399803;1454947656;mircea_popescu;well, the advice is in general correct. 1399804;1454947680;mircea_popescu;writing own crypto [especially if done by the typically ustardian aloneman, a la shaun bridges etc] is bound to crash in the local maxima problem discussed a minute ago. 1399805;1454947683;ascii_butugychag;in the same way as 'don't cut open a man's abdomen if you want him to live' is ~generally~ correct 1399806;1454947688;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1399807;1454947698;mircea_popescu;and if we know for a fact you're alone, the advice is entirely correct. 1399808;1454947699;ascii_butugychag;and i think mircea_popescu had an article specially about this 1399809;1454947714;ascii_butugychag;the one with the caesar ciphers 1399810;1454947739;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ ? 1399811;1454947740;assbot;The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rfk0r ) 1399812;1454947741;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1399813;1454947755;ascii_butugychag;aha it 1399814;1454947795;ascii_butugychag;and the timecube linked earlier, was an even better illustration 1399815;1454947812;ascii_butugychag;(it was a compendium of writings of a sci.crypt usenet crackpot) 1399816;1454947814;nubbins`;the danger of homebrew beer: too yummy 1399817;1454947826;mircea_popescu;nubbins` more like too much tummy. 1399818;1454947866;*;mircea_popescu votes nubbins` "most likely to exceed". 1399819;1454947881;nubbins`;all things in moderation! i'm down 5kg since the holidays! 1399820;1454947902;nubbins`; thats not to say you can't binge drink, you just do it in moderation 1399821;1454947912;mircea_popescu;im stuck with a bunch of women that all cook well and like to do it. and so i've recently discovered that eating less actually makes me feel better! 1399822;1454947915;mircea_popescu;it was a sad realisation. 1399823;1454947929;nubbins`;yeah no kidding 1399824;1454947942;nubbins`;you can give up booze, smoking, drugs, etc 1399825;1454947946;nubbins`;but you can't stop eating 1399826;1454947946;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking fair. god damned shitlords ruining the world for everyone. 1399827;1454947970;BingoBoingo;lol 1399828;1454947976;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah 1399829;1454947979;mircea_popescu;i'm looking at you BingoBoingo 1399830;1454947990;BingoBoingo;You can't fight biology 1399831;1454948040;mircea_popescu;harem is a fucking unbalanced construction. i should have a small army around it so they could eat my pies and i could look on and be happy in my old age. 1399832;1454948059;nubbins`;take on a youth group or smth 1399833;1454948065;nubbins`;give back to the local community 8) 1399834;1454948075;mircea_popescu;nubbins` my problem is that i really can't stand idiots. 1399835;1454948076;*;nubbins` cackles 1399836;1454948081;BingoBoingo;#b-a goes through its mostly epicurean stage. nubbins` drinks less, mircea_popescu eats less, BingoBoingo realizes he only binge drinks has to stop entirely 1399837;1454948082;mircea_popescu;otherwise - i would. 1399838;1454948118;nubbins`;BingoBoingo get on the reefers dude 1399839;1454948142;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Then I'd fac the Shrem's bong dilemma. 1399840;1454948166;BingoBoingo;Anyways, prolly best to learn to cope with actual sobriety first 1399841;1454948207;nubbins`;write more, they say it helps 1399842;1454948266;BingoBoingo;been working on that. 1399843;1454948303;BingoBoingo;pretty sure December I set a personal record for words. Then January set a personal record for headlines. 1399844;1454948332;BingoBoingo;I think, actually checking would take time away from newsmining 1399845;1454948366;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399834 << why would you need idiots ? 1399846;1454948366;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 16:14:35; mircea_popescu: nubbins` my problem is that i really can't stand idiots. 1399847;1454948380;ascii_butugychag;use smart folks 1399848;1454948401;ascii_butugychag;add moar gurlz, or something 1399849;1454948417;mircea_popescu;!ip jimmy16 1399850;1454948428;nubbins`;"free piez 4 smrt people" leaflets 1399851;1454948430;nubbins`;i like it 1399852;1454948445;thestringpuller;;;later tell ben_vulpes Box is stood up. Hope you enjoyed superbowl. 1399853;1454948445;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1399854;1454948461;mircea_popescu;in argentina ? i'd end up buried under a 10mn pile of flaming idiots who think they're smart and http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116472 1399855;1454948462;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbq4oM ) 1399856;1454948472;mircea_popescu;"do i have any proof for my <<>> they're idiots ???" 1399857;1454948853;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jingle-mail-alberta-housing-1.3430867 1399858;1454948854;assbot;Jingle mail rears its ugly head in Alberta again - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbqXOj ) 1399859;1454948897;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1399860;1454949247;ascii_butugychag;http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116476 1399861;1454949249;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rib9r ) 1399862;1454949306;nubbins`;mircea_popescu alberta has a peculiarity of law where one can walk away from one's mortgage, mail the keys to the bank, & not have any further liability 1399863;1454949333;nubbins`;and now the gov is QQing because a bunch of people are doing it 1399864;1454949334;mircea_popescu;i would call any OTHER law peculiar. 1399865;1454949359;nubbins`;well say in the meantime you razed the house and added a viper-and-mercury pit 1399866;1454949377;nubbins`;lender's out $x 1399867;1454949378;ascii_butugychag;nubbins`: oh noez, fleeing serfs ! 1399868;1454949385;ascii_butugychag;somebody nail their feet to the ground ! 1399869;1454949394;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lender shouldn't have pissed you off then. 1399870;1454949405;nubbins`;ascii_butugychag i was surprised to learn (a) that this exists only in alberta and (b) that it was once so common that they came up with a catchy name for it 1399871;1454949412;mircea_popescu;credit is credit ; it works like credit. what makes banks special ? 1399872;1454949423;ascii_butugychag;the tone of that article is vomit-inducing 1399873;1454949514;nubbins`;the canadian housing market is very strange 1399874;1454949612;nubbins`;!up ascii_butugychag 1399875;1454949738;nubbins`;it'll be interesting watching canada regress to a hunter-gatherher society over these next few decades 1399876;1454949760;nubbins`;maybe some small-scale subsistence windowsill farming in between to help bridge the gap 1399877;1454949785;mircea_popescu;it would be fucking great. there's absolutely no reason for canada to pretend it's a sort of europe anymore than there's reason for argentina to. 1399878;1454949797;mircea_popescu;fucking frozen wastes/soy fields ultra crepidam already. 1399879;1454951917;shinohai;;;blocks 1399880;1454951918;gribble;397409 1399881;1454952881;thestringpuller;agrentina has rainforests tho. which is cool. 1399882;1454952894;thestringpuller;canada has like...tundra 1399883;1454952903;BingoBoingo;One for ascii_butugychag, US police treated as military problem in da club https://archive.is/zJdvN guess who won? 1399884;1454952906;assbot;LeSean McCoy, Curtis Brinkley in altercation with off-duty police | Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYj9TF ) 1399885;1454952906;nubbins`;and rainforests 1399886;1454952974;nubbins`;been playing with synthesizers a lot lately 1399887;1454953074;nubbins`;recently watched "i dream of wires" and was sorely disappointed by it 1399888;1454953156;BingoBoingo;In other news Rush Limbaugh just saved Rubio's Saturday debate performance with the other candidates were wrong for insisting Bahamas is jsut stupid and not instead abjectly evil. 1399889;1454954092;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1399890;1454954101;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: sport snore 1399891;1454954124;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: But one of them cracked a law enforcement skull 1399892;1454954131;ascii_butugychag;so? 1399893;1454954139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00057252 = 7.1279 BTC [-] {3} 1399894;1454954176;BingoBoingo;Just offering for the record that on equal terms US police lose to demographics with more sophisticated doping methods 1399895;1454954206;ascii_butugychag;but the very definition of police is the unequal terms. 1399896;1454954247;BingoBoingo;Right, but this time they were on the wrong side of unequal 1399897;1454954294;ascii_butugychag;ianal, but afaik most usa subjurisdictions multiply penalty manyfold for damaging a whole policeman 1399898;1454954307;ascii_butugychag;(vs same done to somebody else) 1399899;1454954324;ascii_butugychag;this too is part of the 'unequal terms' thing 1399900;1454954391;BingoBoingo;Notable in this case is police are struggling to get arrest warrants for the sportsball players 1399901;1454954651;BingoBoingo;Many ways in this case that the police for the moment are on the wrong side of unequal 1399902;1454954930;thestringpuller;thought it was common "street honor" not to kill five-oh. cop has to do something really fucked up for actual criminal (the one's capable of organizing) to do "whole harm" to one, unless society has finally devolved into all out barbarism here 1399903;1454955117;BingoBoingo;Cop had Champagne and Sportsball player had none in that moment. Apparently that was fucked up enough. 1399904;1454955474;ascii_butugychag;in other equally-interesting news, somebody somewhere prolly got mauled by a rabid dog today. 1399905;1454955502;PeterL;actually, it was a leopard 1399906;1454955528;PeterL;(and it was 3 people) 1399907;1454955559;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: I far more interesting news some dude in India was smote by a meteor 1399908;1454955564;BingoBoingo;*In 1399909;1454955642;BingoBoingo;Picture of the scene of the smiting http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/one-dies-as-meteorite-falls-in-vellore/article8204671.ece 1399910;1454955643;assbot;One dies as ‘meteorite’ falls in Vellore - The Hindu ... ( http://bit.ly/1mnRKsC ) 1399911;1454955924;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1399912;1454956123;mats;wut 1399913;1454956174;mats;why would you do anything less than kill cop and annihilate the remains, when it comes to harm? 1399914;1454956217;ascii_butugychag;because idiot bull ? 1399915;1454956233;mats;give the fella a chance to tell his buddies, have you beaten by plainclothesman in holding cell? 1399916;1454956292;ascii_butugychag;again, what do you expect from a walking hindbrain ? 1399917;1454956299;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, criminals have enough sense to murder rape victim ; do not have enough sense to murder police dude after altercation. 1399918;1454956304;mircea_popescu;women have it pretty rough huh. 1399919;1454956360;mats;m-muh mens rights 1399920;1454956366;mircea_popescu;extra lulz points if the "rationale" is something along the lines of "hey, we'll kiss and make up". 1399921;1454956387;mircea_popescu;your odds to manage that with woman you just fucked without asking about 1000x your odds to manage that with policeman that lost some teeth. 1399922;1454956570;ascii_butugychag;su police, at least formally, were forbidden to appear anywhere in public except as 2+ man group. 1399923;1454956587;ascii_butugychag;for this reason. 1399924;1454956599;mats;ascii_butugychag: who is the 'idiot bull', 'walking hindbrain'? 1399925;1454956607;ascii_butugychag;the ball player 1399926;1454956617;mats;ok 1399927;1454956624;ascii_butugychag;(and likely also the policeman, but that is outside the scope) 1399928;1454956653;ascii_butugychag;i really do not grasp why BingoBoingo enthusiastically follows the doings of walking hindbrains, but that's his business 1399929;1454956699;ascii_butugychag;personally i find the daily life, birth and death of that meteorite linked earlier, more interesting 1399930;1454956705;ascii_butugychag;it is a chunk of stone, but at least it is ~rare~ 1399931;1454956729;ascii_butugychag;idiot stotting bulls are a dime a dozen. 1399932;1454956739;ascii_butugychag;and all sum to 0. 1399933;1454956764;ascii_butugychag;(apparently they almost invariably even piss away 100% of the serious money that is paid to them) 1399934;1454956823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00057002 = 9.6903 BTC [-] {2} 1399935;1454956826;thestringpuller;it's fun to watch them smash into each other over ball 1399936;1454957664;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> idiot stotting bulls are a dime a dozen. << they're a dime a dozen exactly like how microscope is a dime a dozen in post-usg us. 1399937;1454957672;mircea_popescu;"hey, i can get rocks over here too" 1399938;1454957786;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1399939;1454958406;BingoBoingo; su police, at least formally, were forbidden to appear anywhere in public except as 2+ man group. << This is part of what interests me in this case. 4 police officers met 4 hindbrains in mutual combat and lost resoundingly. If not for the equal numbers would be far less interesting. 1399940;1454958581;BingoBoingo;Other more boring stories about this species of hindbrain beating police in confrontations this year are piling up, but this is starting to look like a trend. 1399941;1454959130;BingoBoingo;The proper approach to sportsball hindbrains is considering them as a sort of Nevada test site, but for optimizing performance of doorkickers. The trend of these hindbrains whooping the police suggests that the "Black Lives Matter" business is internalizing with the ordinance and the Trinity bomb is going feral. 1399942;1454959637;asciilifeform;!up ascii_butugychag 1399943;1454959678;BingoBoingo;But yeah, seems to support the Gendarmie hypothesis 1399944;1454959825;mod6;ascii_butugychag: hi, does this work ok for some reasonable output information for the origin command? http://dpaste.com/2N4BNVW.txt 1399945;1454959826;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20FPf7V ) 1399946;1454959839;mod6;I've basically just added the corresponding source file in the data there. 1399947;1454959859;ascii_butugychag;mod6: looks just like what i had, aha 1399948;1454959870;ascii_butugychag;mod6 et al: is it now clear why i had this knob ? 1399949;1454959918;ascii_butugychag;(did i even have the filename in there? no matter, this is what we want) 1399950;1454959968;BingoBoingo;In other news FSF certified the Talos Power8 workstation board. Looks like Stallman has a new computer. 1399951;1454959996;mod6;and just to verify, we *do* want to be looking at the post-patch hash value correct? the 'b' as opposed to the 'a'. 1399952;1454960026;mod6;this will give us when the hash was introduced, not the last time it was changed. 1399953;1454960083;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: gotta love the unobtainium 1399954;1454960090;ascii_butugychag;recall his loongson ? 1399955;1454960117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35474 @ 0.00057716 = 20.4742 BTC [+] {4} 1399956;1454960122;BingoBoingo;Yeah, and web browsing by wget to his email inbox 1399957;1454960152;BingoBoingo;Or something like that 1399958;1454960178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5226 @ 0.0005799 = 3.0306 BTC [+] 1399959;1454960244;*;mod6 is just pondering weather the converse is useful. finding the last time the file was changed from hash 1399960;1454960245;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: i specifically mean his 'follow my example, use this here iron!!111' 'but no there is no place for you to get it, hahahaha' 1399961;1454960258;BingoBoingo;Ah 1399962;1454960291;ascii_butugychag;at least i finally hunted down a 'thinkpad x60' 1399963;1454960297;ascii_butugychag;(for lulz) 1399964;1454960300;BingoBoingo;Even got loaned out to get benchmarked https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=talos-workstation&num=3 1399965;1454960301;assbot;For $3100 USD You Can Have A Fast, Fully-Free-Software Workstation - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/20FQjsq ) 1399966;1454960308;BingoBoingo;LinuxBIOS? 1399967;1454960318;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: theoretically 1399968;1454960332;ascii_butugychag;(the crate has not come in yet) 1399969;1454960359;mod6;so, by finding the origin of a given hash, such as 'false', this yields us the files that have since been removed from origin: http://dpaste.com/25JSTRY.txt 1399970;1454960360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20FQnsd ) 1399971;1454960368;mod6;s/from origin/since genesis/ 1399972;1454960387;mod6;make sense? 1399973;1454960411;ascii_butugychag;aha 1399974;1454960416;ascii_butugychag;i can see how this might come in handy 1399975;1454960437;mod6;ok, i'll leave origin in for this second beta patch. 1399976;1454960560;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: also gotta love how a single-source, 'monoculture' box built by ibm, as far from wot as can possibly be imagined, is now somehow an appealing thing for 'phree' enthusiasts 1399977;1454960575;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1399978;1454960614;ascii_butugychag;also the nsa fund for this must've been quite pitiful, one would at least suppose they could have it secretly subsidized so it prices to sell ! 1399979;1454960619;ascii_butugychag;but no, 3+k 1399980;1454960717;ascii_butugychag;this being said, if the thing consisted 100% of ~documented~ fpga fabric, i would buy it 1399981;1454960721;ascii_butugychag;but notice how this is not so. 1399982;1454960734;ascii_butugychag;!s specificity principle 1399983;1454960735;assbot;0 results for 'specificity principle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+principle 1399984;1454960741;ascii_butugychag;!s specificity diddling 1399985;1454960742;assbot;12 results for 'specificity diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+diddling 1399986;1454960747;ascii_butugychag;here we go. 1399987;1454960823;BingoBoingo;Desire for FPGA instead gets you $6 PASCAL machine 1399988;1454960882;BingoBoingo;But 3k price tag likely seems to target gullible potentially disloyal lizards. The Clintons and Sean Bridges. 1399989;1454960931;ascii_butugychag;i don't object to the price, this is quite cheap for a proper computer 1399990;1454960975;ascii_butugychag;just that it is unlikely to end up on the desks of the poor 'lone types' mircea_popescu discussed earlier 1399991;1454960992;ascii_butugychag;and therefore is weak honeypot sauce. 1399992;1454961032;ascii_butugychag;but i would readily pay 10k for a box with ONLY open fpga 1399993;1454961044;BingoBoingo;Poor 'lone types' get their own honeypots. This is for rich and mortgaged 'lone types' 1399994;1454961048;ascii_butugychag;(nothing else. no nic, bring own dc power to rail) 1399995;1454961140;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1399996;1454961147;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.5, vol: 5619.07262334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 3644.0701 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 371.49, vol: 14939.00807539 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 0.07478758 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.580345, vol: 13589.39610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 371.6601, vol: 390.88254018 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 376.5216, vol: 116.37527974 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1399997;1454961162;BingoBoingo;;;more 1399998;1454961162;gribble;376.725100753 1399999;1454961169;ascii_butugychag;also no prizes for this guess, but 100% of the 'power8' will be running poetteringola and drepperism 1400000;1454961192;BingoBoingo;Easily 1400001;1454961215;ascii_butugychag;anyone recall mircea_popescu's fable about the trucks ? 1400002;1454961244;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091236 << found 1400003;1454961244;assbot;Logged on 07-04-2015 21:23:54; mircea_popescu: then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right" 1400004;1454961478;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1400005;1454961517;BingoBoingo;aha 1400006;1454961536;PeterL;!up Peter00 1400007;1454961807;mircea_popescu;mod6 im not even sure we can depend on a notion of "time" for v purposes. 1400008;1454961914;ascii_butugychag;v supports one time - 'now' 1400009;1454961918;mircea_popescu;aha. 1400010;1454961926;mircea_popescu;sorta like horny teenagers 1400011;1454961926;ascii_butugychag;but with possible local variations. sorta like relativistic mechanics. 1400012;1454962059;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 im not even sure we can depend on a notion of "time" for v purposes. << oh yeah 'the last time' is probably a bad choice of words, "the last alteration" or some such. 1400013;1454962072;mircea_popescu;basically count nodes 1400014;1454962074;mod6;anyway, doesn't matter for now anyway. 1400015;1454962091;mod6;im just gonna leave what i've got in there. will replicate what alf's does. 1400016;1454962106;mircea_popescu;worx. 1400017;1454962168;ascii_butugychag;i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone 1400018;1454962371;mircea_popescu;why not just the set. 1400019;1454962436;ascii_butugychag;i suppose i should restate 1400020;1454962459;ascii_butugychag;your 'set' is specifically what you have in a particular v shot, usually this includes your conscious choices for that run 1400021;1454962483;mircea_popescu;that's the press 1400022;1454962487;ascii_butugychag;your lightcone is all of the possible parts you have access to, and know of, at all, that you might build a set with 1400023;1454962495;ascii_butugychag;your press is what you get from pressing a set. 1400024;1454962542;mircea_popescu;well, what you get and what you start it. "what you press" -> press -> "what you pressed". ie, the press. 1400025;1454962566;ascii_butugychag;you press - a set. 1400026;1454962597;ascii_butugychag;anyway i can only suggest, if mod6 wants to call his 'bzortl' this is his to make 1400027;1454962655;ascii_butugychag;light cones will be relevant once we get autonomous bots scouring the universe for v set components... 1400028;1454962717;ascii_butugychag;but even now, folks who get their sets from mod6's mirror, and folks who get theirs from the ml, are on divergent lightcones 1400029;1454962742;ascii_butugychag;and imho this is not an entirely inconsequential thing, and ought to be remembered. 1400030;1454963045;BingoBoingo;https://www.scottishspca.org/rehome/details/?animal=303561 1400031;1454963047;assbot;Rehome a pet ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0N4pf ) 1400032;1454963165;BingoBoingo;In other sports hindbrains http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-dies-starting-krispy-kreme-challenge-raleigh-36783985 1400033;1454963167;assbot;Man Dies After Starting Krispy Kreme Challenge in Raleigh - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0NfkH ) 1400034;1454963331;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1400035;1454964312;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/JHUISI/charm/tree/dev/charm/schemes << crypto algo zoo 1400036;1454964314;assbot;charm/charm/schemes at dev · JHUISI/charm · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRc0h3 ) 1400037;1454964314;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1400038;1454964389;ascii_butugychag;^ for educational reading, in case this is not obvious, rather than for battlefield 1400039;1454964660;shinohai;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/67.236.44.54-8333/ \o/ 1400040;1454964660;assbot;67.236.44.54:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0SnFl ) 1400041;1454964789;ascii_butugychag;congrats shinohai 1400042;1454964803;ascii_butugychag;but i must point out that a trb node that isn't synced should not be added to connection lists 1400043;1454964812;ascii_butugychag;as it will refuse to relay most tx. 1400044;1454964819;shinohai;Almost @ 70% Just staryed that one a few days ago. 1400045;1454964828;shinohai;*started 1400046;1454964858;ascii_butugychag;this is, iirc, ~20% bytewise 1400047;1454965818;shinohai;t!up ascii_butugychag 1400048;1454965824;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1400049;1454965835;trinque;shinohai: got an SSD? 1400050;1454966023;shinohai;Not yet trinque :( 1400051;1454966059;shinohai;Probably in the upgrade plans for this year though. 1400052;1454966062;trinque;may be extremly slow going from about 350k onward 1400053;1454966088;shinohai;My home node was agonizingly slow fro 300k onward. 1400054;1454966092;trinque;yeah 1400055;1454966137;PeterL;has anybody had ideas for how to make syncing go faster? 1400056;1454966149;thestringpuller;PeterL: SSD 1400057;1454966229;mircea_popescu;in general, the checking of blocks should be properly paralelized. this is a complex task, and will take a while. 1400058;1454966231;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: sign a copy of the blockchain, then push it to new box... 1400059;1454966239;mircea_popescu;in practice results can be achieved with more hardware. 1400060;1454966262;mircea_popescu;the power rangers have esentially gone down the path of "well... let's just not do checking", which is exactly in line with us fashions. 1400061;1454966274;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: actually it would be quite trivial to parallelize, i just haven't the hands presently 1400062;1454966274;PeterL;has anybody here published signed blockchains? 1400063;1454966301;ascii_butugychag;and i measured what takes up most of a sync time - it isn't verification 1400064;1454966304;ascii_butugychag;but i/o derpery 1400065;1454966305;thestringpuller;PeterL: mircea_popescu used to 1400066;1454966315;thestringpuller;on mpex proxy somewhere 1400067;1454966319;ascii_butugychag;and transmission of blocks which can't possibly be absorbed at time t 1400068;1454966319;thestringpuller;forgot where that link went tho 1400069;1454966333;ascii_butugychag;the stock sync mechanism is batshit insane 1400070;1454966370;PeterL;yeah, it seems like there should be a way to tell it to cache some blocks to check later? 1400071;1454966380;ascii_butugychag;no. 1400072;1454966391;ascii_butugychag;i killed this with my own hands 1400073;1454966396;shinohai;I keep backup copy of blockchain on pogo now, I have it syncing from real node every 12 hours. 1400074;1454966397;ascii_butugychag;because it is fucktarded. 1400075;1454966398;PeterL;but I guess that would open up a ddos attack vector? 1400076;1454966404;ascii_butugychag;DID open up. 1400077;1454966408;ascii_butugychag;!s orphanage 1400078;1454966408;assbot;130 results for 'orphanage' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orphanage 1400079;1454966430;PeterL;but could you connect to a trusted node to get past that? 1400080;1454966441;phf;i recall that was first major trb patch 1400081;1454966462;ascii_butugychag;we have no such thing as 'connect to trusted node' 1400082;1454966464;thestringpuller;orphanage thermonuke test 2 1400083;1454966466;ascii_butugychag;because we haven't any crypto 1400084;1454966476;ascii_butugychag;and nodes haven't any actual hard identity as consequence 1400085;1454966488;ascii_butugychag;i thought we've been through this 1,001 times. 1400086;1454966509;thestringpuller;but openssl 1400087;1454966518;phf;but the thinking at the time was that trb peers shouldn't be cascade sending you bogus chains, when you don't ask for them, and that optimization should start with improvements to block request/response mechanism 1400088;1454966568;mircea_popescu; the stock sync mechanism is batshit insane << this yes. but even if all that were fixed, verification will still take time. 1400089;1454966583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10936 @ 0.00057795 = 6.3205 BTC [-] 1400090;1454966609;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it takes ~10-20s on a reasonable box, for a full block 1400091;1454966617;mircea_popescu;aha. 1400092;1454966633;mircea_popescu;400k blocks = 2k hours, 100 days. 1400093;1454966642;ascii_butugychag;if they were full. 1400094;1454966652;mircea_popescu;i was discussing the problem in its general form! 1400095;1454966659;phf;it seems like a cool profiling target, how long it takes to eatblock entire chain across different ssds on some test hardware 1400096;1454966665;ascii_butugychag;but i can't argue that the serial processing is asinine 1400097;1454966673;ascii_butugychag;it certainly ~is~ 1400098;1454966674;mircea_popescu;phf it's so fucking random you'd have to do 1000s of assays 1400099;1454966691;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: eatblock is deterministic 1400100;1454966710;ascii_butugychag;and can be used even on a nic-less box 1400101;1454966712;ascii_butugychag;(yes) 1400102;1454966717;mircea_popescu;oh sorry he meant eatblock-the-term-of-art 1400103;1454966725;phf;trb eatblock 1400104;1454966727;ascii_butugychag;btw this means, in case nobody noticed in the summer, 1400105;1454966732;mircea_popescu;i missed that part :p 1400106;1454966735;ascii_butugychag;that you can theoretically maintain an airgapped trb node... 1400107;1454966745;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1400108;1454966754;mircea_popescu;wasn't that the point, mostly ? 1400109;1454966772;ascii_butugychag;the point was actually to hunt for leakz 1400110;1454966782;ascii_butugychag;but there are several 'off label' uses, aha. 1400111;1454966822;mircea_popescu;in more stakhanov news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/0f4344bd0e00c15f5c530e3c3088ae02/tumblr_npy7taavP01rdc5oto1_400.gif 1400112;1454966823;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Zd7O ) 1400113;1454966856;shinohai;^ how I imagine mircea_popescu would mine for BTC 1400114;1454966868;ascii_butugychag;(picture a trb box eating blocks via diode, and shitting tx out another diode, when the knife switch is on, strictly) 1400115;1454967733;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1400116;1454968347;ascii_butugychag;http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/62999/refusing-to-cite-paywalled-papers << where we find a jwz: 1400117;1454968348;assbot;citations - Refusing to cite paywalled papers - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q41u2Q ) 1400118;1454968353;ascii_butugychag;' your ideological battles should not be waged on the backs of readers and authors who dedicate their lives to producing and disseminating good science. But if you want to commit career suicide, no one will stop you.' 1400119;1454968409;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1400120;1454968440;mircea_popescu;show me some of this good science an english speaker produced on the basis of anglopsychosis. 1400121;1454968444;mircea_popescu;aka "academia" 1400122;1454968480;mircea_popescu;seems the concept is more likely a derivation of "good law", ie, conventionally not-discarded yet, than actual science in any sense 1400123;1454968522;ascii_butugychag;every other year i do end up dragging my arse to uni library solely to excavate forth a paper 1400124;1454968537;ascii_butugychag;virtually always, they are older than i am 1400125;1454969693;punkman;https://github.com/samshadwell/TrumpScript 1400126;1454969695;assbot;GitHub - samshadwell/TrumpScript: Make Python great again ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q43Crj ) 1400127;1454972317;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1400128;1454973848;deedbot-;[Trilema] Major changes in Eulora ; Another auction. - http://trilema.com/2016/major-changes-in-eulora-another-auction/ 1400129;1454975926;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6yk0nTQ4d1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1400130;1454975927;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20kKdIv ) 1400131;1454976970;mircea_popescu;http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/cl-untold-story.html << man this kent dude is the most tiresome stickler... i've never seen such a retarded if endless introduction. 1400132;1454976972;assbot;Common Lisp: The Untold Story ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8to44 ) 1400133;1454977068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not so much the result of pitman but of the subject 1400134;1454977107;mircea_popescu;i dunno... 1400135;1454977143;asciilifeform;the process whereby we got the cl standard is every bit as ugly as the standard itself 1400136;1454977170;mircea_popescu;ah in that sense 1400137;1454977171;mircea_popescu;aite 1400138;1454977204;mircea_popescu;"Someone once claimed to me that the problems with standards work is that the process is so exhausting that no one who ever finishes the task wants to try another, so everyone involved is always brand new and no knowledge ever propagates from cycle to cycle. This isnt literally true, but there is still some truth to it." << and THE REASON FOR THIS is that, quote from same source, "This is a story about personal hist 1400139;1454977204;mircea_popescu;ory and growth. It might on occasion appear to portray certain individualsprimarily myself, but perhaps othersin an unflattering light. Part of the point of this paper is that we have each grown through our respective experiences. There is no intent to disparage anyone." 1400140;1454977211;mircea_popescu;with that inept attitude, it'll only get worse./ 1400141;1454977833;asciilifeform;the sheer and obvious futility of the standardization process, as it existed then and there, selected against the smart, the intellectually honest, and in general anybody 'with theorems to prove' 1400142;1454977856;mircea_popescu;paint rocks! 1400143;1454977856;asciilifeform;naggum understood this, i think, when it was too late 1400144;1454977893;asciilifeform;this is more like 'paint snow' 1400145;1454977914;mircea_popescu;heh 1400146;1454978031;asciilifeform;reading the block cipher thread, on shitdot, and, mega-unsurprise - not one interesting thing said. 1400147;1454978090;mircea_popescu;but many comments! visits! uniques! Social media! progress! apple could buy russia! 1400148;1454978117;asciilifeform;many many eyes! (tm) (r) 1400149;1454978223;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu feels like hammering in the point, he could even offer a prize for breaking aes 1400150;1454978237;mircea_popescu;lol it's ok. 1400151;1454978370;asciilifeform;it is a mega-conundrum, in my mind, i know for a fact that there live at least half a dozen people who could, potentially, supply intelligent commentary. but none of them i expect to appear here. 1400152;1454978427;mircea_popescu;and why is that ? 1400153;1454978455;asciilifeform;same reason, i expect, as taleb 1400154;1454978459;asciilifeform;but somebody ought write to bernstein. 1400155;1454978477;mircea_popescu;tell you what - the problem is not unlike "getting mp to look at bitcoin" 1400156;1454978483;mircea_popescu;multiple people worked on this for months. 1400157;1454978488;mircea_popescu;and i still principally credit chance. 1400158;1454978501;asciilifeform;logical. 1400159;1454978504;mircea_popescu;in the form of sane people and an impressive channel to join into. 1400160;1454978507;mircea_popescu;now, the CHANCE part we got well covered. 1400161;1454978515;mircea_popescu;the rest... what can i say. takes time. 1400162;1454978817;mircea_popescu;"ne day while working with the MACSYMA group, I was around when someone was assigning officesor desks, really, since offices were generally shared. Where is mine? I asked, somewhat jokingly. As far as I knew, only graduate students were entitled to offices. The person doing the arranging didnt realize I was joking and responded in seriousness that he didnt know and would try to find one for me. Of course 1400163;1454978817;mircea_popescu;, I immediately went to the several other undergraduates working on the same project and said, they dont know were not supposed to have offices. But soon we all did have offices, or at least desks in offices with dedicated VT52 terminals atop them. My office was shared with Guy Steele, co-inventor of the SCHEME programming language, and JonL White, author and maintainer of the MACLISP compiler. 1400164;1454978817;mircea_popescu;I spent nearly all of my hours at the Lab, often to the detriment of my class work, which is why I took 5 years to graduate. During my time there, I worked mostly for credit, only very occasionally for tiny amounts of moneyabout $5 per hour for a small number of hours a week programming MACSYMA, as I recall. Most of my time was as a volunteer, and in that time I did some additional work on MACSYMA but also some pers 1400165;1454978824;mircea_popescu;onal projects. 1400166;1454978826;mircea_popescu;During all of this, I picked up a lot of trivia about the MACLISP language, which was not very well-documented. David Moon had written a manual a few years earlier, but it was out of date and featured primarily the Honeywell Multics implementation of MACLISP, not the PDP10 implementation. Also, as it happened, Don Knuth had just come out with TEX typesetting language and I was looking for possible uses for it, so I att 1400167;1454978831;mircea_popescu;empted to set up some formats for writing a manual. When that produced something pleasant to look at, it occurred to me that I should just make a whole manual about MACLISP." 1400168;1454978834;mircea_popescu;finally. 1400169;1454978906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25183 @ 0.00057136 = 14.3886 BTC [-] {2} 1400170;1454979033;mircea_popescu;"As of next Thursday, ITS will be flushed in favor of TOPS-10. Please update your programs." 1400171;1454979046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just so you know, ima refer to this thing liberally whenever you bitch at me about things. 1400172;1454979172;mircea_popescu;"Much later, in 1993, the specific online design processes we used were later studied and written up by researchers at the MIT Sloan School [Yates93]." << word. 1400173;1454979181;asciilifeform;wai wut 1400174;1454979210;asciilifeform;btw recall, rms never forgave the destruction of its 1400175;1454987046;mircea_popescu;!up Howdy__ 1400176;1454987191;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " for it's New Madrid, Missouri smelter " 1400177;1454990155;asciilifeform;soooo 1400178;1454990173;asciilifeform;who's for a 'malleus II' that nukes, e.g., idiots spewing http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0316 ? 1400179;1454990175;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q649zf ) 1400180;1454990188;asciilifeform;and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0312 , etc 1400181;1454990189;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q64fqF ) 1400182;1454990222;asciilifeform;'who is not with us, is against us' (tm) (r) (lenin) 1400183;1454990293;asciilifeform;this would walk the razor's edge of danger, in re splitting trb into own parallel universe, however 1400184;1454990307;asciilifeform;ergo it ought to be a selectable thing, ideally. 1400185;1454990330;asciilifeform;but overall it would make sense to have a lenin knob 1400186;1454990374;asciilifeform;where, say, 0 is maximally permissive (disables malleus, even) and 10 is 'any sign of deviation from trb conventions --> permaban' 1400187;1454990617;asciilifeform;if this thing were an actual multithreaded proggy, we could drop the priority of vermin instead of dropping'em entirely, but we have what we have. 1400188;1454992140;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo " for it's New Madrid, Missouri smelter " << ty fxd 1400189;1454992175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the definition of "nonstandard tx" is iffy. 1400190;1454992217;mircea_popescu;so far it'd be a knob connected to not very much. once we have an actually meaningful protocol, then. 1400191;1454992297;*;BingoBoingo thinks rather than 'malleus II' this would be 'malleus differentpersonium' 1400192;1454994095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00056712 = 16.3898 BTC [-] {2} 1400193;1454995559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6755 @ 0.00056712 = 3.8309 BTC [-] {2} 1400194;1455003001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26133 @ 0.00056357 = 14.7278 BTC [-] 1400195;1455006478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00056624 = 8.2954 BTC [+] {4} 1400196;1455008125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00057179 = 6.4898 BTC [+] {4} 1400197;1455008163;deedbot-;[Qntra] "Bitcoin Group" Fiat Mining IPO ~70% Under Goal - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-group-fiat-mining-ipo-70-under-goal/ 1400198;1455008513;punkman;"At least, if you pay Apple’s premium for Apple design, you do get more design than you get from Microsoft, Google and other laptop manufacturers.  It’s not design created in your interest or for your convenience, but there certainly is plenty of it." 1400199;1455008777;punkman;http://visegradrevue.eu/sobotkaleaks-boiling-the-czech-prime-minister/ 1400200;1455008779;assbot;SobotkaLeaks: Boiling the Czech Prime Minister » V4Revue ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfgiRY ) 1400201;1455009191;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CavCl3PWcAEuJ_7.jpg 1400202;1455009192;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2z8LC ) 1400203;1455009330;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b23 1400204;1455009551;BingoBoingo;https://sli.mg/2Y1UQe 1400205;1455009552;assbot;Image hosted on Sli.mg ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfhCnY ) 1400206;1455009721;punkman;"-I'm the 38th author... -Wow, that sucks. -I hadn't finished. I'm the 38th author called "Wang" -Oh." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26799652 1400207;1455009724;assbot;Guidelines for the use and interpretation of assays for monitoring autophagy (3rd edition). - PubMed - NCBI ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2A4Q8 ) 1400208;1455011564;BingoBoingo;lol 1400209;1455012578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00057615 = 2.8231 BTC [+] {2} 1400210;1455014652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00057661 = 5.6508 BTC [+] {3} 1400211;1455015201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6244 @ 0.00057695 = 3.6025 BTC [+] 1400212;1455016854;BingoBoingo;ANd the AWS cost minimization wank returns https://archive.is/55zxR 1400213;1455016855;assbot;Start a Classic node in AWS in under 20 minutes - blockchain included! : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20lFOoE ) 1400214;1455017305;BingoBoingo;In other butthurt chronicles https://archive.is/N0HXA 1400215;1455017307;assbot;People so upset about the difficulty they are SMASHING their miners to pieces ... ( http://bit.ly/20lGzhj ) 1400216;1455017525;ben_vulpes;blockchain inclolded 1400217;1455017612;punkman;;;bc,stats 1400218;1455017615;gribble;Current Blocks: 397535 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1400219;1455017666;punkman;http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin.png 1400220;1455017667;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCxxuF ) 1400221;1455017702;punkman;diff only tripled last 12months, bitcoin's dead 1400222;1455017905;punkman;ETH at 0.0098 btc :/ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2016#1381117 1400223;1455017905;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth 1400224;1455017962;BingoBoingo;Brave camho ventures into the bitcointalk cesspool https://archive.is/64HCm 1400225;1455017963;assbot;Cryptoqueen - Let's talk about how hot *I* am. [NSFW] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCy3J2 ) 1400226;1455018176;BingoBoingo;Spoiler alert, it was a trap. 1400227;1455018188;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh77zevm6cY 1400228;1455018189;assbot;Jolie Holland - Old Fashioned Morphine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCymU9 ) 1400229;1455018389;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400226 <<< get her to come put sharpie in pooper for you BingoBoingo 1400230;1455018389;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:42:56; BingoBoingo: Spoiler alert, it was a trap. 1400231;1455018585;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nah, blew too much money on that when I was drinking. Gotta hodl. 1400232;1455018731;shinohai;I stay away from the Bitcoin ladies meself. Gotta save and buy new equips. 1400233;1455019350;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400190 << trivial - if trb marks a tx nonstandard - it is nonstandard!11 1400234;1455019350;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 04:30:17; mircea_popescu: so far it'd be a knob connected to not very much. once we have an actually meaningful protocol, then. 1400235;1455019532;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400212 << recall, you can find my aws banhammer on the ml. 1400236;1455019532;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:20:54; BingoBoingo: ANd the AWS cost minimization wank returns https://archive.is/55zxR 1400237;1455019577;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ALready got it deployed and refresh banlist occasionally. Just like the lulz of their image only existing for single AWS site in Oregon. 1400238;1455019733;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400214 << this may actually be a rational thing to do - scorched earth 1400239;1455019733;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:28:25; BingoBoingo: In other butthurt chronicles https://archive.is/N0HXA 1400240;1455019783;asciilifeform;in light of rumour of usg buying up cheap old asic 1400241;1455019795;BingoBoingo;Seriously, because fuck Dave who buys old mining equipment at a loss and has his powerbill paid by Satan 1400242;1455019800;BingoBoingo;Not a rumor 1400243;1455019802;asciilifeform;aha 1400244;1455019809;BingoBoingo;Megabigpower is the OP 1400245;1455019840;BingoBoingo;Dave, lesser partner previous asic scam venture fronts it. 1400246;1455019893;BingoBoingo;Back in late 2012 there were 4 kinda serious presenting operations promising Asics. Asicminer, Avalon, and BFL. Dave was with the other one. 1400247;1455020040;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CavCl3PWcAEuJ_7.jpg << paulgrahamocalypse??!! 1400248;1455020040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2z8LC ) 1400249;1455020046;BingoBoingo;Blame for the failure went to the venture's major partner Tom 1400250;1455020063;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1400251;1455020205;asciilifeform;re: 'apple fans coming to hate apple software', this is when folks learn that ~liking~ is optional: you use a sov institution because ~no alternative~ 1400252;1455020617;asciilifeform;(and note, if, satan help you, you need a laptop comp that ~actually works~, or a pocket terminal that doesn't resemble an infested xp box, there is very much no alternative) 1400253;1455020895;punkman;except it no longer "actually works"? 1400254;1455020944;asciilifeform;vs the supposed alternatives - works 1400255;1455021103;asciilifeform;if i need a unix box with lid suspend, stuck with crapple. ditto re: sane handling of hotplugged external displays. and 1,01 other items. 1400256;1455021471;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11061111 << lulzy, full of folks crying over linux circa early 2000s 1400257;1455021473;assbot;Apple fans are coming to hate Apple software | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/20HUjse ) 1400258;1455022884;ben_vulpes;takes a rather lot to override apple-scale stockholm 1400259;1455023121;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400258 << what stockholm. It's the only working portable comp vendor. 1400260;1455023121;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:01:24; ben_vulpes: takes a rather lot to override apple-scale stockholm 1400261;1455023308;ben_vulpes;not apple stockholm i suppose nearly so much as usa stockholm 1400262;1455023340;ben_vulpes;i for instance just bought three of the things, but only because of the Apple Developer Ratchet 1400263;1455023393;asciilifeform;actually the usa trap is quite similar 1400264;1455023488;ben_vulpes;o yes? 1400265;1455023510;asciilifeform;aha, thinkaboutit 1400266;1455023552;asciilifeform;!s gravity well 1400267;1455023552;assbot;38 results for 'gravity well' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gravity+well 1400268;1455023612;asciilifeform;incidentally i don't develop for crapple nor ever intend to, and still stuck with it 1400269;1455023671;asciilifeform;in fact, it is for running & building entirely posixy things 1400270;1455023739;ben_vulpes;not irc on the train? 1400271;1455023779;asciilifeform;nah thats what ipnohe is for 1400272;1455024018;BingoBoingo;NSFL https://i.imgur.com/wUcjjc9.jpg 1400273;1455024018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlyOYh ) 1400274;1455024044;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've never met a crapple user who despised it as much as i did. 1400275;1455024050;ben_vulpes;http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cam-newton-never-had-a-chance/ << great charts 1400276;1455024052;assbot;Cam Newton Never Had A Chance | FiveThirtyEight ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlyTLD ) 1400277;1455024079;asciilifeform;i don't like, need or want the graphics, the idiot skeumorphisms, the 'ease of use', the payware, or the compatibility 1400278;1455024097;ben_vulpes;preach 1400279;1455024107;asciilifeform;i just need a motherfucking knapsack unix box that never has to be powered down, hotplugs displays, and '4k' lcd. 1400280;1455024114;asciilifeform;this is sold by... one vendor. 1400281;1455024172;ben_vulpes;i need a workstation for doing work, and a comms box for doing comms. 1400282;1455024233;asciilifeform;i have a workstation, it is for doing things i actually give half a fuck about. 1400283;1455024253;asciilifeform;and then there is the other box, for work. 1400284;1455024269;asciilifeform;the aluminum anchor. 1400285;1455024328;ben_vulpes;macbook macht frei 1400286;1455024341;asciilifeform;and, speaking of which, bbl. 1400287;1455025218;shinohai;Can any asseteers tell me if this is a worthy SSD? http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSD-850-EVO-MZ-75E1T0B-EU/dp/B00P738MUU/ref=dp_ob_title_ce 1400288;1455025220;assbot;Amazon.com: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB, MZ-75E1T0B_EU: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlCkC6 ) 1400289;1455025220;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400221 << no, it's just mayogendered. this is the primary cause of butthurt in the obeetus : first year they eat, they increase 10x. 1400290;1455025220;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:35:02; punkman: diff only tripled last 12months, bitcoin's dead 1400291;1455025229;*;shinohai not having much SSD experience. 1400292;1455025237;mircea_popescu;but then because of that very increase, ironically, even if they eat 2x as much the 2nd year, they can only maange a measly 3x 1400293;1455025250;mircea_popescu;and it goes downhill from there 1400294;1455025252;mircea_popescu;fuck gravity! 1400295;1455025298;mircea_popescu;!up Steve__ 1400296;1455025331;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2016#1393391 << as per teh expert. 1400297;1455025331;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 23:00:43; BingoBoingo: SSD market pretty much consists on Samsung, Intel, and other firms that just use surplus parts from samsung 1400298;1455025361;shinohai;Good I must be on right track. 1400299;1455025373;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Should be fine. If used for sensitive purposes RAID it up per alf's advice 1400300;1455025443;mircea_popescu;anyway, looking at the graphs bitcoin ~was~ actually dead march to about sept 2015/ 1400301;1455025447;shinohai;I figured why not go ahead and shop for 1TB drive since I am using it for node purposes, though pricier than I had imagined. 1400302;1455025451;mircea_popescu;people are fucking late. shoulda derped about how dead it is back then. 1400303;1455025474;mircea_popescu;shinohai for that reason! 500gb is enough for now. 1tb in a few years, will be cheaper. 1400304;1455025485;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Check Newegg 1400305;1455025505;BingoBoingo;Newegg has 500 for about 150 and 1tb a bit over 300 1400306;1455025547;shinohai;Will do. Also anyone needing me for menial tasks such as proofreading or Spanish-to-English translations contact me plox 1400307;1455025547;BingoBoingo;That one's off by too much on price 1400308;1455025551;mircea_popescu;oh, they're the same price ? nm me then. 1400309;1455025563;shinohai;300 for 1 TB O.o wow 1400310;1455025567;shinohai;not bad 1400311;1455025573;mircea_popescu;shinohai do you charge a lot and is your spanish very good ? 1400312;1455025575;BingoBoingo;A bit over, but as cheap as I've seen them 1400313;1455025653;shinohai;mircea_popescu: nope I'll do my best to undercut anyone. pussyfreak can vouch for my Spanish if he comes back, being from Spain and all lol. 1400314;1455025680;mircea_popescu;how about you vouch for your spanish. pick any of my articles that discuss argentina and show me! 1400315;1455025685;BingoBoingo;shinohai: The price amazon is selling the evo for is about the price amazon is selling the pro for. The difference between the two is apparently pro gets bigger warranty, hotter running controller (potential point of failure) and derp about longer write endurance 1400316;1455025750;mircea_popescu;write endurance is notably not a major point of interest for bitcoin node ssds. the way it works is that most of the files are stable forever, and you have a hot end you keep adding to. this is a match made in heaven for ssds, they can use the spare capacity to compensate for your rewrites and once done it's done. 1400317;1455025755;shinohai;I was concerned about write endurance because some folks have said ssd's aren't suitable for nodes. :/ 1400318;1455025788;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, the io constraindness of the bitcoin makes for better ssd fit. 1400319;1455025875;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400249 << our friend tom van dyke, the sweet blood and tears guy ? 1400320;1455025875;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 12:14:06; BingoBoingo: Blame for the failure went to the venture's major partner Tom 1400321;1455025901;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400247 << all good things have an end ; shitty things have numerous ends. 1400322;1455025901;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 12:14:00; asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CavCl3PWcAEuJ_7.jpg << paulgrahamocalypse??!! 1400323;1455025921;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I believe so. Isn't he the one who did the FPGA thing with BuzzDave and professed to be doing the ASIC thing? 1400324;1455025957;mircea_popescu;anyway, the winds have pointedly turned against apple. the time when they did that "we'll brick your device if you used other parts in it" thing i'd arbitrarily pick as the jumping the shark moment. but in any case : apple is for the next decade a company to sell, not to hold and CERTAINLY not to buy. 1400325;1455025977;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeh. course, fpga thing even then counted more like amateur hour than anything. 1400326;1455025992;mircea_popescu;which i suspect is the proximate reason no blame attached to buzzdave 1400327;1455026081;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400259 <<< i'm with ben and the whole rest of the world on this. you display a very entrenched form of stockholm syndrome. not just here - but in all points of confort. can't move out of dc because it's the only swamp in the world with lid suspension and hotplugging something or the other, gotta use apple because insanoarcana, etc. 1400328;1455026081;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:05:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400258 << what stockholm. It's the only working portable comp vendor. 1400329;1455026109;mircea_popescu;it's all fine and dandy, makes up the very characteristic weird we've come to love under the label alf, but do not expect it's a consideration (or even meaningful) for anyone else. 1400330;1455026247;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly 1400331;1455026282;ben_vulpes;who is john w. wilkinson and is there any reason to keep his json spirit license around? 1400332;1455026285;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400280 << this is sold by one vendor in the arbitrary, pointless package you've chosen, and by EVERY SINGLE VENDOR as a desktop. and so on. 1400333;1455026285;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:21:54; asciilifeform: this is sold by... one vendor. 1400334;1455026296;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes be specific ? 1400335;1455026329;ben_vulpes;bitcoin/src/json/LICENSE.txt 1400336;1455026374;mircea_popescu;eh, wipe all licenses. tmsr does not honor agreements between parties not attached to the wot. 1400337;1455026387;ben_vulpes;in line with my thinking 1400338;1455026393;mircea_popescu;for the lulz : 1400339;1455026394;mircea_popescu;https://www.bitcoin.com/src/json/LICENSE.txt 1400340;1455026395;assbot;Page not found | Bitcoin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp60cG ) 1400341;1455026399;mircea_popescu;:D 1400342;1455026402;mircea_popescu;you WOULD THINK 1400343;1455026404;mircea_popescu;but naaaaah 1400344;1455026420;mircea_popescu;it's just the plastic wanna-be crap, has nothing to do with bitcoin 1400345;1455026434;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation/src << also lulzy? 1400346;1455026435;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp638p ) 1400347;1455026515;mircea_popescu;ah but this si trivially fixed! 1400348;1455026569;mircea_popescu;can anyone with thebitcoin.foundation privileges plox redirect http://thebitcoin.foundation/src to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ thankee 1400349;1455026570;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp638p ) 1400350;1455026570;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFPT8 ) 1400351;1455026606;ben_vulpes;paging mod6 to the preactor control room 1400352;1455026622;mircea_popescu;as you can see my dear vulpes, it's not that we're BORN any better. it's that we've been doing something about it since then. 1400353;1455026685;mircea_popescu;in other news of no particular interest, long sloppy blowjob the night before means you'll be picking red hairs out of your crotch for the rest of the morning. 1400354;1455026735;ben_vulpes;hair splinters for everyone 1400355;1455026820;mircea_popescu;and speaking of apple users and alf-citizens, http://49.media.tumblr.com/010fa0d5f548f7f326940624cb82a1f5/tumblr_nyqy33Y65F1qlne6uo1_500.gif 1400356;1455026822;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp6LT5 ) 1400357;1455026822;ben_vulpes;in other news we call this occasionally-accumulating infant smegma "neck cheese" because mothers milk comes back up as ricotta 1400358;1455026833;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ahjahahaha! 1400359;1455026845;ben_vulpes;ahaha mircea_popescu yours is funny too! 1400360;1455026852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57924 @ 0.0005778 = 33.4685 BTC [+] {2} 1400361;1455026870;ben_vulpes;;;seen pete_dushenski 1400362;1455026871;gribble;pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: off to pickup new specs. if i'm not back this evening, i'll be around under 'pete_d_out' over the coming days. cheers! 1400363;1455026894;ben_vulpes;;;seen pete_d_out 1400364;1455026894;gribble;pete_d_out was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: well, my clock's running out. i'll check back in soon :) 1400365;1455026909;ben_vulpes;;;seen pete_dior 1400366;1455026909;gribble;I have not seen pete_dior. 1400367;1455026919;ben_vulpes;wait 1400368;1455026925;ben_vulpes;pete_d_out? 1400369;1455026946;ben_vulpes;doesn't that get you on some kind of vile criminal list in canada? 1400370;1455026959;mircea_popescu;;;seen fabulous_pete_dolcegrabanya 1400371;1455026959;gribble;I have not seen fabulous_pete_dolcegrabanya. 1400372;1455026975;mircea_popescu;;;seen hot_stuffs_pete_chanel 1400373;1455026976;gribble;I have not seen hot_stuffs_pete_chanel. 1400374;1455026978;mircea_popescu;hm. 1400375;1455026993;ben_vulpes;something is amiss 1400376;1455027008;mircea_popescu;i never expected him to not show up under his PROFESSIONAL names... 1400377;1455027101;ben_vulpes;no no i think those are different 1400378;1455027111;ben_vulpes;;;seen pete_driver 1400379;1455027112;gribble;I have not seen pete_driver. 1400380;1455027141;ben_vulpes;good porn name, that. 1400381;1455027233;mircea_popescu;;;google the mailman always petes the door three times 1400382;1455027233;gribble;Random Events - Pages :: Tip.It RuneScape Help :: The Original ...: ; Flight of the Phoenix - Arrested Development Wiki - Wikia: ; GOOD FELLAS by Nicholas Pileggi and Martin Scorcese - Daily Script: 1400383;1455027345;ben_vulpes;this alphabetical sorting of patches in v flow grates on me for some reason i'm struggling to articulate. 1400384;1455027384;PeterL;they should be in the order they get applied? 1400385;1455027385;ben_vulpes;and its implicit use in pressing. 1400386;1455027455;ben_vulpes;PeterL: the list of patches gets alphasorted before toposorting in all implementations i've seen to date. 1400387;1455027479;PeterL;but why should the alphasort matter? 1400388;1455027501;ben_vulpes;if a v implementation recurses up from the pressed head, it doesn't. 1400389;1455027504;ben_vulpes;er 1400390;1455027511;ben_vulpes;from the desired head to press, it doesn't. 1400391;1455027522;ben_vulpes;if instead a v implementation presses each patch in the flow... 1400392;1455028189;mircea_popescu;so don't sort. 1400393;1455028288;PeterL;I guess alphasorting is a cheap way to ensure consistency between presses of equal sets? 1400394;1455028627;mircea_popescu;if it is then it's probably hiding a bug or three 1400395;1455028726;PeterL;meh, I guess thinking about it, I guess if two patches are of equal level, then it does not matter which order they get applied? 1400396;1455028742;PeterL;sort of by definition of equal level? 1400397;1455028754;PeterL;or am I totally confused? 1400398;1455028767;ben_vulpes;draw the graph, it's a useful exercise. 1400399;1455028797;PeterL;so we should not need to alphasort anything? 1400400;1455028848;ben_vulpes;well, "need". 1400401;1455028859;ben_vulpes;but no, not imho. 1400402;1455028926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00057604 = 18.6637 BTC [-] 1400403;1455029082;*;ben_vulpes waves at alf's diddling 1400404;1455029679;mircea_popescu;artifexd , asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , bingoboingo , cazalla , chetty , danielpbarron , davout , diametric , dignork , fluffypony , hanbot , jurov , kakobrekla , mats , mike_c , mircea_popescu , mod6 , mthreat , nubbins` , pete_dushenski , punkman , thestringpuller , trinque , phf , diana_coman : http://trilema.com/2016/the-lordship-list-third-year/ 1400405;1455029680;assbot;The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TQ3stx ) 1400406;1455029687;*;fluffypony clicks 1400407;1455029692;mircea_popescu;you can thank ben_vulpes for making work for everyone! 1400408;1455029732;fluffypony;hah hah, 10/10 1400409;1455029833;mircea_popescu;PeterL> or am I totally confused? << a patch can only be safely applied to its antecedent. two patches at the same level CAN NOT be both applied by definition. 1400410;1455029837;mircea_popescu;you pick one per level. 1400411;1455029894;PeterL;if they affect different files, they could be the same level? 1400412;1455029921;mircea_popescu;well i have nfi what you mean by "same level", but to my eyes and from graph theory considerations it would mean "patches applied atop the same one patch" 1400413;1455029966;PeterL;well, trying to decide order of patches to apply, if they affect different files then it does not matter which order you use? 1400414;1455029971;mircea_popescu;thye chain you see, X is applied on "that patch with hash h1", ie G ; and in turn Y is applied to "that patch with hash h2", ie X 1400415;1455029981;mircea_popescu;it does, counterintuitively. 1400416;1455030007;ben_vulpes;ill meaning! 1400417;1455030010;ben_vulpes;thrice cursed! 1400418;1455030017;mircea_popescu;lol 1400419;1455030040;PeterL;so even if different files are affected, you have to specify the order? 1400420;1455030063;mircea_popescu;you necessarily and always specify the order when you write the patch, because it includes the hash of the thing you want it applied on top of. 1400421;1455030096;mircea_popescu;understand, this "different files" is flimsy as fuck. for all you know the "same files" are not really the same at all - their content changed. 1400422;1455030120;ben_vulpes;more to the point with artifexd he bit off gossipd, claimed progress, and then vanished. 1400423;1455030146;mircea_popescu;hey, when richard was gone to the crusades forever they put john on the throne. 1400424;1455030149;mircea_popescu;good law! 1400425;1455030163;mircea_popescu;then he came back there was a bit of trouble, but nothing we can't handle. 1400426;1455030196;ben_vulpes;sure yeah people have been inquiring politely for... 1400427;1455030198;ben_vulpes;;;seen artifexd 1400428;1455030198;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1400429;1455030205;ben_vulpes;nearly 42 weeks now. 1400430;1455030245;ben_vulpes;;;later tell artifexd yo it's going to be much harder to get back in than it will be to preserve your seat now 1400431;1455030245;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1400432;1455030286;mircea_popescu;well... much. 1400433;1455030298;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes 1400434;1455030305;mircea_popescu;my doctrine is that it's the simplest thing in the world for a lord to get his seat. 1400435;1455030309;mircea_popescu;all he has to do is ask. 1400436;1455030323;mircea_popescu;and if one isn't a lord... well... why would they want it ? fucking milstone around one's neck of the first degree. 1400437;1455030511;ben_vulpes;hm 1400438;1455030538;ben_vulpes;i'm not sold on diana_coman 1400439;1455030596;diana_coman;I am honoured to be proposed to the list; I might add that I am quite likely to be of the silent type indeed at least for the time being 1400440;1455030655;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Lordship list, third year. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-lordship-list-third-year/ 1400441;1455030658;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes next month's s.mg filing might clarify. 1400442;1455030669;mircea_popescu;in any case we're early here, two months til april, and then all of april. 1400443;1455030683;ben_vulpes;aha! 1400444;1455030705;ben_vulpes;legendarily long lead time for feedback here, just getting ahead of things. 1400445;1455030761;*;ben_vulpes is open to being sold, grew up in america after all 1400446;1455030871;PeterL;only one female on the lordship list? you guys are so sexist! Clearly we need some affirmative action around here? 1400447;1455030892;mircea_popescu;either that or more women that went to school for purposes other than talking about boys. 1400448;1455030922;mircea_popescu;also, i thought kakobrekla was a girl ? no ? because -a ? 1400449;1455030944;ben_vulpes;and the tits! 1400450;1455030950;mircea_popescu;a right, there is that alos. 1400451;1455030958;ben_vulpes;hey mod6 here's an edge case for you 1400452;1455030979;ben_vulpes;press a patch without hashes in the headers 1400453;1455030998;mircea_popescu;thanks got PeterL was confused earlier eh ben_vulpes ? 1400454;1455031017;kakobrekla;chix with dix 1400455;1455031038;ben_vulpes;and mats with tits 1400456;1455031047;mircea_popescu;masTITIS! 1400457;1455031052;kakobrekla;aha 1400458;1455031055;diana_coman;^^^ ftr I can't remember ANY setting later than nursery in which I wasn't in a setup of at least 1:2 female:male 1400459;1455031066;mircea_popescu;and in more "i married the wrong girl" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/61c9d7e8de1f94638e74daf6a5069e54/tumblr_nyhv2e9ok51qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1400460;1455031067;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5hBx3 ) 1400461;1455031072;phf;shinohai: Can any asseteers tell me if this is a worthy SSD? << i've been using it's precursor, 250gb 830, as my primary drive for three years now, have nothing to complain about it. unless samsung fucked something up, an 850 will be my next purchase 1400462;1455031112;PeterL;my high school calculus class was 3 boys and about 18 girls 1400463;1455031113;mircea_popescu;diana_coman as long as you enjoyed it... 1400464;1455031126;mircea_popescu;PeterL so invite them over. 1400465;1455031169;PeterL;meh, i don't talk with any of them, that was like 15 years ago 1400466;1455031170;ben_vulpes;PeterL: public school? 1400467;1455031174;PeterL;yup 1400468;1455031181;mircea_popescu;PeterL now you see everyone else's problem 1400469;1455031190;mircea_popescu;well, everyone else's other than me, but anyway! 1400470;1455031191;ben_vulpes;i have a completely unbacked theory that the further you go down the american income/class ladder the more girls you'll get in those classes. 1400471;1455031211;PeterL;actually no, I don't see everybodys problem? 1400472;1455031221;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know for everyone from europe public school = best school. private school is where people with money send their retarded offspring to keep up the pretense. 1400473;1455031242;mircea_popescu;PeterL "nobody kept in touch with the smart women they met so they have no proposals to make so the list is mostly guys" 1400474;1455031245;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: and you know that public school in america is just daycare. 1400475;1455031252;mircea_popescu;aha. 1400476;1455031254;phf;my highschool class from about grade 8 and on was 16 girls and 5 guys 1400477;1455031255;PeterL;aha, now I get it 1400478;1455031258;diana_coman;hm, we were 11 girls: 22 boys precisely in high school (cs class ie maths+physics+programming) 1400479;1455031275;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: eurozone? 1400480;1455031280;diana_coman;Romania 1400481;1455031293;ben_vulpes;AMERICAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE 1400482;1455031302;mircea_popescu;diana_coman cluj suprareal cca late 1990s had exactly ONE girl in the set of 8 people that were accepted on merit, and about 14 in the set of 17 others who were accepted to pad the class so it may be made. 1400483;1455031366;mircea_popescu;phf where was this ? 1400484;1455031370;diana_coman;bwahahaha, our class was simply and unashamedly skimmed as "top 33" based on admission exam results 1400485;1455031373;phf;moscows, naturally 1400486;1455031377;mircea_popescu;ah. 1400487;1455031418;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the way this worked was, "gpa over X", which meant 8 people out of the region. then everyone went into the normal-great classes. but THEN it came word from the miniostry that they won't run a class for 8 people 1400488;1455031420;diana_coman;after which they proceeded to bash us that "you will end up washing the floors in supermarkets" 1400489;1455031429;mircea_popescu;and so the highschool admitted 17 more people into it, off the end of the list. 1400490;1455031443;mircea_popescu;which you know... who was going to complain about it. 1400491;1455031462;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> press a patch without hashes in the headers << i've actually got that one covered in the patch im about to put out there tonight. 1400492;1455031488;phf;there was a slightly different ratio in the B class, which was everyone who didn't make the A class. 1400493;1455031488;mod6;if/when you can get the new patch applied, give it a try and let me know. thx. 1400494;1455031489;ben_vulpes;neat 1400495;1455031491;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely envious of phf's adolescentine paradise. i expect they were all lanky slav coughars with uncharacteristically large tits for that type, and spent a lot of time doing stuff in the nude 1400496;1455031495;mircea_popescu;AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME ANY DIFFERENT! 1400497;1455031497;diana_coman;aha, the 8 class thing would've been a great thing though 1400498;1455031523;mircea_popescu;diana_coman actually the way it played out was imo the best possible outcome. 1400499;1455031524;ben_vulpes;mod6: what kind of patch are you shipping? ri patch or v patch? 1400500;1455031565;shinohai;thx phf and congrats to all who have made the Lord's list. 1400501;1455031575;mod6;shipping? it'll just be a whole bundle once we do a bit of testing -- but tonights patch will be a squashed patch of the one from last week, and the additional changes here. 1400502;1455031579;ben_vulpes;it ain't april yet shinohai 1400503;1455031583;phf;but the school was already selective, was ran by a strong Georgian woman. if you didn't perform would get a visit with the principle. "your child will have a very hard time next year. a ~very~ hard time. we advise you move schools immediately". i know because my parents got the talk once or twice 1400504;1455031584;mod6;will basically encompass what will be v99995 1400505;1455031615;mircea_popescu;it's funny how good education ~always~ comes down to a woman with a whip. 1400506;1455031616;ben_vulpes;word 1400507;1455031617;mod6;i updated alot of the automate tests, and added a number of them, to ensure that i didn't regress anywhere. so far, seems good. 1400508;1455031630;mircea_popescu;and little bitches a la orwell whining about it. 1400509;1455031660;punkman;opinions: +1 to both additions. would be nice to see artifexd return. fluffy and nubbins can keep their lordships unless they wish to abdicate. 1400510;1455031745;ben_vulpes;ooh 1400511;1455031777;*;ben_vulpes tries to reconcile 'lord can have seat back for asking' with the booting of fluffypony and nubbins` 1400512;1455031826;trinque;!rated phf 1400513;1455031826;assbot;You have not rated phf. 1400514;1455031826;PeterL;maybe you need a "lord emeritus" status for people who are not presently active? 1400515;1455031832;mircea_popescu;wasn't "have back", was have at all and in general. 1400516;1455031844;mircea_popescu;PeterL no such thing! they can self-apply that, easy enough to verify. 1400517;1455031846;ben_vulpes;!rated phf 1400518;1455031846;assbot;You rated user phf on 16-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: lisper.. 1400519;1455031888;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ah 1400520;1455031892;ben_vulpes;perhaps i see a glimmer 1400521;1455031904;ben_vulpes;PeterL: i was thinking about a deadbot- ! 1400522;1455031907;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wasn't a matter of [person who was once branded a lord] [can have seat back for asking]. it was a matter of [person who was born with the mettle and greatness of being a lord] [can have a seat whether they had one or never did just by basically existing in their grandiose state]. 1400523;1455031912;phf;hehe, my +v workhorse rating, ty ben_vulpes 1400524;1455031912;trinque;!rate phf 2 provided example CL code for next deedbot, made excellent v-patch viewer, intelligent fellow 1400525;1455031912;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d854434c72d2880f 1400526;1455031926;thestringpuller;trinque: I think you're right about the whole SSD thing. I'm going to resync on my giga-box for more tests, but it seems bootstrapping performance is increased more by adding SSD than adding more CPU's (unless you're adding like 20 cores to the thing but even then) 1400527;1455031928;mircea_popescu;!rated phf 1400528;1455031928;assbot;You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Fixed our boxen!. 1400529;1455031936;mircea_popescu;nb. 1400530;1455031956;trinque;!v assbot:trinque.rate.phf.2:5167af628daff6a6257f3d4a95319406f789276d76fa8ef57ca1946b511a5add 1400531;1455031956;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for phf with note: provided example CL code for next deedbot, made excellent v-patch viewer, intelligent fellow 1400532;1455031996;trinque;thestringpuller: yes, it's quite IO hungry 1400533;1455032002;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it still mostly uses one core no matter what you do 1400534;1455032005;shinohai;Is there an official court jester post? 1400535;1455032029;mircea_popescu;notrly... 1400536;1455032035;ben_vulpes;they usually get shitcanned shinohai 1400537;1455032039;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Just wait for vexual to hit your pm's 1400538;1455032048;ben_vulpes;haha BingoBoingo has it 1400539;1455032062;ben_vulpes;entertaining feller. 1400540;1455032064;shinohai;I used to get pm's from Vexual EVRY GODDAMNED SATURDAY 1400541;1455032070;mod6;ben_vulpes: here's a peek at the squshed beta 1 & beta 2 vpatches - unless something changes between now and tonight, i'll be sending this one to the ML. All you need to do to apply is get V [v99996], copy `v.pl' to `v.pl.v99996`, then place this patch in the same dir and do: `patch -p0 < V_v99995_beta2.vpatch` and give it a go 1400542;1455032076;mod6;http://dpaste.com/17GT26R.txt 1400543;1455032078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5jc5Z ) 1400544;1455032109;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea, my P4 that's overclocked has had the best performance in bootstrapping. 1400545;1455032126;thestringpuller;64-bit 3.4 ghz OC 1400546;1455032128;fluffypony;shinohai: hah hah, me too 1400547;1455032142;ben_vulpes;mod6: V in V! 1400548;1455032159;*;shinohai pets fluffypony 1400549;1455032202;ben_vulpes;nifty mod6 1400550;1455032207;ben_vulpes;doubt i'll get to it today tho 1400551;1455032209;asciilifeform;finally my lazy arse has 'irc bounce' 1400552;1455032217;mod6;anyway, will re-walk through this all again tonight, etc. then will sign and send to ML. 1400553;1455032219;BingoBoingo;Congrats asciilifeform 1400554;1455032220;*;ben_vulpes falls over 1400555;1455032268;shinohai;mod6: new trb is at height 284171 1400556;1455032275;shinohai;*trb node 1400557;1455032297;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> doubt i'll get to it today tho << "there's all this delicious administrative shit to fuck around with early, who has time for codings!!!" 1400558;1455032313;ben_vulpes;hey i was hacking all am 1400559;1455032315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform congratulations! 1400560;1455032317;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400329 << l0l, mircea_popescu must think that my lunch money alone keeps crapple alive ? 1400561;1455032317;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:55:09; mircea_popescu: it's all fine and dandy, makes up the very characteristic weird we've come to love under the label alf, but do not expect it's a consideration (or even meaningful) for anyone else. 1400562;1455032320;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu 1400563;1455032334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude wtf are you channeling jwz ? 1400564;1455032343;mircea_popescu;"shitting i nthe soup is not a problem, not all the floating turds are mine!" 1400565;1455032358;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1400566;1455032359;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2NK12C1.txt ) 1400567;1455032368;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares about the effects! 1400568;1455032376;mircea_popescu;the discussion is whether the cause is problematic or not. 1400569;1455032376;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you know for everyone from europe public school = best school. private school is where people with money send their retarded offspring to keep up the pretense. <- +1 to that; I might add the only exception to this rule I found in northern Italy where "private" meant in fact province (autonomous, German-speaking-and-doing province) funded 1400570;1455032394;mircea_popescu;aha. there are pockets like that yeah 1400571;1455032398;asciilifeform;just observing that neither i nor the other million chumps are enthusiastic coprophagics, we were simply given a menu of shit and broken glass, and picked shit 1400572;1455032413;BingoBoingo;Also got broken glass 1400573;1455032421;asciilifeform;in the end, everybody gets both 1400574;1455032423;mircea_popescu;and this matters in the sense that ximenez of spain really was interested in whether the witch had or hadn't orgasmed with the devil. 1400575;1455032423;ben_vulpes;i hate this thread 1400576;1455032452;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6: new trb is at height 284171 << good deal, thanks for reporting :] 1400577;1455032456;asciilifeform;l0l ben_vulpes, how is your rusting aluminum anchor 1400578;1455032480;ben_vulpes;it has *chips* out of it asciilifeform, thank you for asking. 1400579;1455032498;asciilifeform;whaddayado with it? hammer nails? 1400580;1455032505;ben_vulpes;nfi 1400581;1455032509;asciilifeform;or does it start coming apart by its lonesome after a few yrs 1400582;1455032518;ben_vulpes;pretty standard decomposition pattern i think now 1400583;1455032523;*;asciilifeform has an original 'air' that is still pristine 1400584;1455032534;ben_vulpes;leading edge just torso-ward of the hands starts chipping after some time 1400585;1455032553;ben_vulpes;i am a barbarian though and it must be my fault somehow for expecting my tools to be robust 1400586;1455032561;ben_vulpes;i give precisely zero fucks about lightweight laptops. 1400587;1455032570;ben_vulpes;if it's made of METAL i want to HIT PEOPLE WITH IT 1400588;1455032580;ben_vulpes;and not worry about the delicate internals 1400589;1455032581;trinque;that thinkpad is dead. 1400590;1455032583;trinque;DEAD 1400591;1455032590;BingoBoingo;Aluminum D cell maglite I've used as hammer does not have chips out of it. 1400592;1455032596;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400348 << this goes to the ancient turd, still has, e.g., irc in it!!111111 1400593;1455032596;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 14:02:49; mircea_popescu: can anyone with thebitcoin.foundation privileges plox redirect http://thebitcoin.foundation/src to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ thankee 1400594;1455032602;asciilifeform;no good ^ 1400595;1455032609;asciilifeform;(0.5.3.1) 1400596;1455032612;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is it blizzarding like dairy queen up there 1400597;1455032624;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: where 1400598;1455032628;BingoBoingo;It' snuffling snow here 1400599;1455032665;BingoBoingo;Shoveled at about 4 am and brined concrete. Now snow has doubled, concrete still clean. 1400600;1455032693;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: a good chunk of the weight of all of these is 1) battery 2) cpu heat pipes -- for all of which, you can thank idiot intel/x86. 1400601;1455032701;shinohai;I have snow here as well, just strong flurries nothing to write home about. 1400602;1455032709;asciilifeform;fuck x86. with red hot bayonet. 1400603;1455032750;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> can anyone with thebitcoin.foundation privileges plox redirect http://thebitcoin.foundation/src to http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ thankee << yup, np. will resolve later today. 1400604;1455032750;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp638p ) 1400605;1455032751;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFPT8 ) 1400606;1455032753;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Roads here are clusterfuck because no one could anticipate 2nd round of snow coming this morning 1400607;1455032769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, it is the source of where it starts. 1400608;1455032777;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400386 << and you would rather have what ? 1400609;1455032777;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 14:17:35; ben_vulpes: PeterL: the list of patches gets alphasorted before toposorting in all implementations i've seen to date. 1400610;1455032780;mircea_popescu;like it or not, part of us, like the iliterate mother part of napoleon. 1400611;1455032783;asciilifeform;sorted by file handle # ? 1400612;1455032786;asciilifeform;random ? 1400613;1455032790;mircea_popescu;"unspecified" 1400614;1455032794;asciilifeform;fuck unspecified. 1400615;1455032796;mircea_popescu;why specify what needn't be 1400616;1455032796;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I'd expect midwesterners to know how to drive in snow belt weather... Here we get 2 inches, the roads freeze and everyone freaks out like its The Walking Dead or some shit. 1400617;1455032815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because anything that can be deterministic, should be. 1400618;1455032830;asciilifeform;because otherwise heisenbugs. 1400619;1455032831;mod6;to asciilifeform's point tho, i'm not too sure what even exists in the lxr thing, and if is congruent with what's in the V mirror 1400620;1455032837;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Problem is water under snow. Dept of Roads does not brine as generously as I do. 1400621;1455032846;asciilifeform;lxr has a several month-old bleeding edge v. 1400622;1455032858;asciilifeform;but imho linking to the ancient 0.5.3 by default is lunacy. 1400623;1455032864;asciilifeform;it is relevant to nobody anywhere. 1400624;1455032873;asciilifeform;other than archaeologists. 1400625;1455032880;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: aha. so even there you'll see cars in ditches with people telling cops "i dunno what happened, i just slippped and ended up in here" 1400626;1455032921;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Yes. Very little snow, but enough to cull weakest drivers. 1400627;1455032959;BingoBoingo;If alarm was raised in time those drivers would have normally stayed home, but because they were not explicitly told road is slick all suffer 1400628;1455033033;PeterL;this morning we had a bit of snow, I slid about 10 yards past the entrance to work, antilock brakes kicked in, had to shift to reverse and go back to turn into parking lot 1400629;1455033071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is nonsense. by that rule you should hang. 1400630;1455033095;asciilifeform;hows that 1400631;1455033101;mircea_popescu;so you be deterministic too. 1400632;1455033124;asciilifeform;i don't ~want~ my computer alive. 1400633;1455033125;asciilifeform;do you ? 1400634;1455033134;mircea_popescu;trb is alive whether you want it or not. 1400635;1455033140;shinohai;^ 1400636;1455033144;asciilifeform;if wanted alive, would buy a cow. 1400637;1455033157;asciilifeform;trb is alive, v is a knife. 1400638;1455033162;mircea_popescu;cow doesn't give limited milk. 1400639;1455033162;asciilifeform;i do not want knife with a will of its own. 1400640;1455033178;mircea_popescu;hm. you ever seen modern knives as used on people ? 1400641;1455033178;asciilifeform;and i can't fathom why mircea_popescu would. 1400642;1455033182;mircea_popescu;practically, will of own. 1400643;1455033195;mircea_popescu;i don't want anything, whatsoever. and i still don;t care what the effects would be. 1400644;1455033209;mircea_popescu;the notion itself, of the basis you propose, seems to me problematic. 1400645;1455033219;asciilifeform;the notion is that a tool ought to behave maximally predictably. 1400646;1455033233;asciilifeform;otherwise we call it something else, wtf, mechanical girlfriend 1400647;1455033243;mircea_popescu;why should a tool become a means by which you may pretend to enact determinism out of absent such ? 1400648;1455033258;mircea_popescu;it'll just lie to you. 1400649;1455033265;asciilifeform;because it isn't absent if i nail it down. 1400650;1455033274;mircea_popescu;by protocol or by promise ? 1400651;1455033284;asciilifeform;by protocol. 1400652;1455033284;mircea_popescu;this nailing down... stick to nailing the mechanical gfs. reality has no holes. 1400653;1455033296;mircea_popescu;i don't see where this is in the protocol ? 1400654;1455033312;shinohai;BingoBoingo: this might be worth paying to see, drunk or no: https://i.imgur.com/r3xs9aY.jpg 1400655;1455033312;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5lrGC ) 1400656;1455033317;mircea_popescu;what specifically would prevent me from later making a non-alpha-sorting V ? 1400657;1455033320;asciilifeform;where i wrote the routine, which sorts by ascii and then by flow. 1400658;1455033331;mircea_popescu;that is not hte protocol, that is the spec of one implemen tation among many 1400659;1455033334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nothing at all. this feature isn't even interesting. 1400660;1455033335;BingoBoingo;shinohai: lol 1400661;1455033344;mircea_popescu;and if you want everyone to change his, you are basically building on promise. 1400662;1455033356;mircea_popescu;well the feature isn't interesting in itself, other than for this discussion. 1400663;1455033357;asciilifeform;i see mircea_popescu's point here 1400664;1455033396;asciilifeform;'thou shalt not rely on the splinters on the chair legs being just-so' 1400665;1455033400;asciilifeform;or somethinglikethat. 1400666;1455033406;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1400667;1455033547;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400409 << 'levels' have no useful meaning here. any two patches that don't take a file with hash H and try to transform it into two disparage H' and H'', can be pressed together. 1400668;1455033547;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 14:57:13; mircea_popescu: PeterL> or am I totally confused? << a patch can only be safely applied to its antecedent. two patches at the same level CAN NOT be both applied by definition. 1400669;1455033555;asciilifeform;*disparate 1400670;1455033577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my idea of "level" was "all patches taking a certain hash as input" 1400671;1455033578;asciilifeform;likewise, they must not attempt to transform X' and disparate X'' into a Y 1400672;1455033587;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in that case yes. 1400673;1455033596;asciilifeform;but this is not what level normally means when looking at a DAG. 1400674;1455033598;mircea_popescu;im not sure what his idea of level was, prolly not too strictly defined. 1400675;1455033609;mircea_popescu;no, but it would be if you're looking at a tree 1400676;1455033620;*;mircea_popescu confesses to still thinking of v tron in terms of tree not exactly dag. 1400677;1455033620;asciilifeform;only if the tree were specially drawn this way 1400678;1455033627;mircea_popescu;even if trees are necessarily dag's rite ? 1400679;1455033636;asciilifeform;aha 1400680;1455033643;asciilifeform;but note, this is not strictly speaking a tree 1400681;1455033672;mircea_popescu;i also confess to mentally having an imaginary pre-G as a master node for all the various G's such as shiva's bitcoins v's etc. 1400682;1455033702;mircea_popescu;or you meant somethign else ? 1400683;1455033718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: specifically in that it does not have uniform levels 1400684;1455033730;mircea_popescu;what's uniform ? 1400685;1455033744;asciilifeform;e.g., i can submit a patch which depends only on genesis, and it will be among the current leaves 1400686;1455033754;asciilifeform;this is not permissible in a strict tree, definitionally 1400687;1455033755;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400592 foundation is welcome to link to any chosen 'v' head present there. 1400688;1455033755;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 15:43:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400348 << this goes to the ancient turd, still has, e.g., irc in it!!111111 1400689;1455033763;jurov;If they can come to unanimous agreement, which one is the longest, praps. 1400690;1455033770;mircea_popescu;how would it be among "Current" leaves. we don't have a notion of time. 1400691;1455033783;asciilifeform;current being the last pressable, strictly 1400692;1455033811;mircea_popescu;but this is not really a cogent consideration. as far as levels are concerned, this "current" one would be just qas much l1 as all the other direct-G descendants. 1400693;1455033832;jurov;and to press the "last pressable" I do what command? 1400694;1455033839;mircea_popescu;there is no last. 1400695;1455033854;jurov;alf said there is!!!!11 1400696;1455033859;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Department Of Education Driving Tuition Increases - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-department-of-education-driving-tuition-increases/ 1400697;1455033860;mircea_popescu;he doesn't know what he's talking about!!1 1400698;1455033862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is 'longest chain' but none of the current vtrons know how to find it 1400699;1455033868;asciilifeform;nor is it clear that it is a useful thing to do 1400700;1455033873;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that longest per se is meaningless. 1400701;1455033879;mircea_popescu;so what if someone made 5000 patches in a row. 1400702;1455033888;mircea_popescu;i say it is not useful or even meaningful. 1400703;1455033916;asciilifeform;i would say that it is meaningful to 'press latest known unorphaned chain signed by x' 1400704;1455033925;mircea_popescu;there is no "latest" 1400705;1455033928;asciilifeform;this is, after all, what i do when developing. 1400706;1455033936;asciilifeform;again, latest means last-known. 1400707;1455033944;mircea_popescu;there is no time sorting whatever. 1400708;1455033948;asciilifeform;it isn't about time! 1400709;1455033952;BingoBoingo;V like everything else only exists in the present 1400710;1455033956;mircea_popescu;do you mean longest then ? 1400711;1455033963;asciilifeform;it is about a->b->c and we don't yet have a d. 1400712;1455033970;asciilifeform;then c is 'latest'. 1400713;1455033985;mircea_popescu;so by latest you really mean something like "virgin nodes" 1400714;1455033994;mircea_popescu;fillies, something. pure and untouched by man. 1400715;1455033999;asciilifeform;aha. 1400716;1455034003;asciilifeform;let's use the term. 1400717;1455034012;mircea_popescu;aite, i see. really should drop the latest it's confucksing 1400718;1455034013;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400452 << this is invalid format and ought to barf 1400719;1455034013;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 15:16:19; ben_vulpes: press a patch without hashes in the headers 1400720;1455034022;asciilifeform;if not barfs, then broken vtron. 1400721;1455034168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider this problem for a moment if you will : have people a, b and c ; have nodes as follows : G(a,b,c) -> N1 (a, b, c) -> N2 (a, b, c) -> N3 (a, b) / N3' (c) -> N4 (a,b) / N4' (c) -> N5 (c) -> N6 (c). 1400722;1455034172;BingoBoingo;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/33/ff/3133ff447d39045c7766a2a07e8d36b6.jpg 1400723;1455034173;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCZkLw ) 1400724;1455034200;mircea_popescu;in this situation, "longest chain signed by ab) is 4, longest chain signed by c is 6. what is longest chain signed by abc ? 6 too ? 1400725;1455034205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what means slash ? 1400726;1455034205;mircea_popescu;this may turn out to be a fucking problem. 1400727;1455034212;mircea_popescu;alt node in same position in tree 1400728;1455034266;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trivial case of tie 1400729;1455034272;asciilifeform;if i understand correctly 1400730;1455034278;asciilifeform;tie - is to be broken by the operator. always. 1400731;1455034280;mircea_popescu;of what ? no, it's not a tie, is c running off with the count 1400732;1455034304;asciilifeform;c has 'longest chain with c' 1400733;1455034307;asciilifeform;what's the problem ? 1400734;1455034311;asciilifeform;don't want it? don't ask for c 1400735;1455034311;mircea_popescu;does he have longest chain with abc ? 1400736;1455034320;asciilifeform;nope 1400737;1455034321;punkman;i'd say longest by abc is N2 1400738;1455034322;asciilifeform;with a|b|c 1400739;1455034330;mircea_popescu;like that it works. 1400740;1455034332;asciilifeform;punkman: has it 1400741;1455034340;asciilifeform;punkman has it, rather. 1400742;1455034350;mircea_popescu;this gets to the core of what i was asking of phf to do with those lists. 1400743;1455034356;mircea_popescu;which im still not sure if it's clear or not. 1400744;1455034436;phf;it's not, i need to reread relevant threads, and this one 1400745;1455034469;mircea_popescu;what i said then phf was, i must be able to tell a) which people in total contributed and b) on what sets of people does the present press depend. 1400746;1455034511;asciilifeform;the 'longest chain sans orphans having sigs S1,S2...Sx' is quite essential. 1400747;1455034520;mircea_popescu;this is the counterposed thing. in this case, i would wish for N6 to know that a) abc and b) c ; whereas for N4 that a) abc and b) a OR b and finally for N2 that a) abc and b) a Or B or C 1400748;1455034556;asciilifeform;it lets folks actually press a release, for example, without requiring 'papal infallibility' for the release signers; and, likewise importantly, it lets developer press 'i want a thing will all of my shit but not the discarded erroneous crud' 1400749;1455034578;mircea_popescu;i could hash out a more complex example if it may help, since this NOTATIONAL FORMALISM (see that alf!!!) actually solves the problem of saying graphs. something i wasn't going to do before not because you can't display them, but because im too lazy to draw em. 1400750;1455034586;mircea_popescu;brb 1400751;1455034656;asciilifeform;i will also note that all of this was part of my original concept for vtron 1400752;1455034658;BingoBoingo;In other news... Do these "storage cups" look a lot like baffles to anyone else? https://archive.is/rn2nx 1400753;1455034659;assbot;Amazon.com : JMPF (8) .995" Maglite C-Cell Preformed Aluminum Storage Cup Non Freeze Plug : Sports & Outdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5ohLG ) 1400754;1455034663;asciilifeform;but did not make its way into the prototype 1400755;1455034725;mircea_popescu;the situation is : 1400756;1455034726;mircea_popescu;G (a, b, c, d, e, f, g) -> N1 (a, b, c, d) / N1` (e) / N1`` (f, g) -> N2 (a, c, d, e, f) / N2` (b, g) -> N3 (f, c) / N3` (a, b, c) / N3`` (a, d, f, g) -> N4 (a) / N4` (b, c) / N4`` (a, c, d, e) / N4``` (a, f) 1400757;1455034736;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wtf are those 1400758;1455034744;mircea_popescu;the task is : to compute a) and b) for N2`, N3`` and all N4s. 1400759;1455034751;asciilifeform;holy shit is mircea_popescu's example hard to read 1400760;1455034756;mircea_popescu;hater. 1400761;1455034758;asciilifeform;srsly, trees as 1liners, l0l 1400762;1455034770;mircea_popescu;it's easy if you know what you're doing (r) (tm) (fy) 1400763;1455034795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "storage cups" that go into tubular aluminum flashlight body... Come with replacement end cap featuring drilled hole. 1400764;1455034803;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why??? 1400765;1455034827;mircea_popescu;because there's a humongo market of ... flashlights, of all things, in the us. and trying to invent value for it so the assburger'd males keep buying them 1400766;1455034840;asciilifeform;holy shit wut 1400767;1455034844;mircea_popescu;it boggles the mind, what the fuck people are doing with flashlights over there these days. 1400768;1455034844;mircea_popescu;they're insane. 1400769;1455034856;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Homebrew silencer for people without machine shop or work ethic 1400770;1455034921;mircea_popescu;actually to risk going on a limb : the us is an ex-industrial pwoerhouse, made pseudo-rich by uninspired finalcial arrangements. the degeneracy that necessarily came from that picked a tiny topic and is making the glory of past days play out all over it. that topic is flashlights. 1400771;1455034937;mircea_popescu;they can't make a plane or maintain the roads, but by god have you seen how superior their flashlights are over the orcs' ? 1400772;1455034945;BingoBoingo;seriously 1400773;1455034955;asciilifeform;now that i think about it, i even own one of those cast iron monsters 1400774;1455034970;asciilifeform;'tis what they had at the shop. 1400775;1455034992;mircea_popescu;it took me a while to buy one that wasn't uv-led powered. 1400776;1455034993;BingoBoingo;But flashlight are the only thing US does, so now cottage industry around making them into other things 1400777;1455034993;asciilifeform;you can easily bludgeon a man, or break a door, with such 1400778;1455034993;mircea_popescu;fucktards. 1400779;1455035000;asciilifeform;uv?! 1400780;1455035012;mircea_popescu;you know, blue leds 1400781;1455035021;asciilifeform;they use white led here 1400782;1455035026;mircea_popescu;worse. 1400783;1455035028;mircea_popescu;yellow, bitch. 1400784;1455035046;asciilifeform;perfectly usable white here. 1400785;1455035053;mircea_popescu;well i never ran into one, but anyway. 1400786;1455035080;asciilifeform;i have both kinds, from same maker, the krypton incandescent one is a club now 1400787;1455035089;asciilifeform;1/5th the brightness of the diode 1400788;1455035110;phf;i thought police carries those oversized maglites for the purpose of using them as batons in a pinch 1400789;1455035111;*;BingoBoingo put cheap led in club 1400790;1455035111;asciilifeform;and wtf, i don't read with these, would happily buy even red led 1400791;1455035117;asciilifeform;phf: aha 1400792;1455035130;BingoBoingo; i thought police carries those oversized maglites for the purpose of using them as batons in a pinch << yes. For this 4, 5, or 6 D cell models 1400793;1455035165;BingoBoingo;Also thinner C cell model for people concerned about weapon retention 1400794;1455035166;asciilifeform;i thought we were thinking specifically of the 6 'd' 1400795;1455035191;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's a full range of them 1400796;1455035315;mircea_popescu;so d is for anal, c is for normal ? 1400797;1455035341;asciilifeform;'c' is for ansi standard police broomstick 1400798;1455035345;asciilifeform;d - extended!111 1400799;1455035459;BingoBoingo;But seriously these things are useful for beating down most things. Better made for that than some hammers I've seen 1400800;1455035462;phf;extended version usually deployed by short and fat female cops in american tv shows. "sir, SIR, sir. sir!" 1400801;1455035607;BingoBoingo;They also make AA and AAA versions likely for nostril fucking 1400802;1455035653;mircea_popescu;i'm apparently missing a lot of culture 1400803;1455035653;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400478 << i will admit that i am not certain i have ever met in the flesh, other than chetty, a woman who wrote software 1400804;1455035653;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 15:20:58; diana_coman: hm, we were 11 girls: 22 boys precisely in high school (cs class ie maths+physics+programming) 1400805;1455035669;asciilifeform;saw female bulldozer, crane operators, 1400806;1455035672;asciilifeform;but this - no 1400807;1455035684;mircea_popescu;you should get out more! 1400808;1455035693;jurov;"nor is it clear that it is a useful thing to do" but lxr must show it!!1 lmao. 1400809;1455035699;asciilifeform;where? antarctica ? 1400810;1455035706;mats;you callin me fat, ben_vulpes 1400811;1455035714;mats;its on nao 1400812;1455035716;asciilifeform;jurov: all i said what what it must ~not~ show 1400813;1455035719;asciilifeform;which is ancient crudcoin 1400814;1455035752;asciilifeform;borrowing a page from mircea_popescu's 'this is WRONG now find a non-WRONG thing to do' book. 1400815;1455035791;*;BingoBoingo actually rather surprised mircea_popescu doesn't already have 6D club in his dungeon, for appearances if nothing else. 1400816;1455035800;jurov;the last trb release is a WRONG thing nao? 1400817;1455035832;asciilifeform;surely that was not the last release ? 1400818;1455035836;asciilifeform;had irc.cpp ? 1400819;1455035852;jurov;0.5.4 is out yet? 1400820;1455035869;asciilifeform;and in fact it is wrong, because guess what, that turd WON'T SYNC 1400821;1455035875;asciilifeform;without db locks patch at the least 1400822;1455035879;asciilifeform;ergo is wrong. 1400823;1455035886;mircea_popescu;i'm glad i said something. 1400824;1455035899;jurov;ok, i'll look into -test2 1400825;1455035905;asciilifeform;ty jurov 1400826;1455035940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> where? antarctica ? << no, atomic diriglandia. it's a wonderful place! 1400827;1455035956;asciilifeform;i very much believe mircea_popescu . 1400828;1455035964;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: re: codebabez you should totally come visit sometime 1400829;1455035972;asciilifeform;visit what 1400830;1455035976;mircea_popescu;anyway, how about you know, downtown. afaik dc is about 60% female by mass 1400831;1455035981;mircea_popescu;most capitols are, anyway 1400832;1455035996;ben_vulpes;me! 1400833;1455036042;*;mircea_popescu would pay money for snapshot of alf awaken at 6:30 am by baby ; after having slept on guest bed over @ portland. 1400834;1455036057;asciilifeform;l0l 1400835;1455036111;*;asciilifeform generally doesn't leave home if it can be at all helped 1400836;1455036114;ben_vulpes;i am offend 1400837;1455036115;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i chastise, yes, but i don't believe in destroying the woman. canes, not clubs. 1400838;1455036124;ben_vulpes;we have /electricity/ 1400839;1455036127;mircea_popescu;off which end ben_vulpes ? 1400840;1455036135;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What about for penetration? 1400841;1455036136;ben_vulpes;and our covered wagons aren't even hauled by oxen any more but horse 1400842;1455036155;mircea_popescu;penis is for penetration, that's good enough for me! 1400843;1455036162;*;ben_vulpes hums 1400844;1455036162;BingoBoingo;Also to chase away wild Obeasts who happen to glomp in 1400845;1455036178;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: poppycock, everybuddy knows wagon don't move 'less an-'orse move't. 1400846;1455036207;*;ben_vulpes looks sideways at asciilifeform 1400847;1455036214;asciilifeform;... or wife 1400848;1455036217;mircea_popescu;o look, he's doing my fair lady! 1400849;1455036228;ben_vulpes;hoo-ers. 1400850;1455036261;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, it took 12 (!) tugs to get the HK boat ungrounded from the elbe 1400851;1455036291;mircea_popescu;name the thugs ? 1400852;1455036336;ben_vulpes;you name the sucks? 1400853;1455036342;ben_vulpes;individual licks even? 1400854;1455036344;mircea_popescu;lol shucks! 1400855;1455036360;ben_vulpes;atypically punny day 1400856;1455036364;ben_vulpes;not even raining 1400857;1455036365;mircea_popescu;wait this hk boat / elbe thing was a sexual innuendo item ? 1400858;1455036389;mircea_popescu;my foreskin generally retracts on the first pass, just how wide IS this woman ? 1400859;1455036404;ben_vulpes;nono not at first 1400860;1455036411;mircea_popescu;fist ? 1400861;1455036433;ben_vulpes;fisting first?! 1400862;1455036436;ben_vulpes;fisting is for closers 1400863;1455036444;asciilifeform;waiwut 1400864;1455036447;asciilifeform;boat?! 1400865;1455036450;ben_vulpes;aha 1400866;1455036451;asciilifeform;ungrounded ? 1400867;1455036458;ben_vulpes;mega container ship grounded in the elbe for FIVE DAYS 1400868;1455036472;asciilifeform;and thought stuck cock 1400869;1455036524;ben_vulpes;i am now renaming my cock to CSCL Indian Ocean 1400870;1455036535;ben_vulpes;"baby i need a tug!" 1400871;1455036550;ben_vulpes;grounded in the river elbe 1400872;1455036551;mircea_popescu;tug&plug, it's a legitimate thing. 1400873;1455036552;ben_vulpes;ehuehueahuehueh 1400874;1455036636;BingoBoingo;Just deserts from the mines "With an ax rather than a scalpel, Australia's federal science agency last week chopped off its climate research arm in a decision that has stunned scientists and left employees dispirited. Why? Because the science is settled, there is no need for more basic research, the government says. No doubt many will experience a case of schadenfreude as they see those who have long claimed "the science is settle 1400875;1455036636;BingoBoingo;d" face the inevitable and logical consequence of that stance." 1400876;1455036649;ben_vulpes;HAHAHA 1400877;1455036651;ben_vulpes;rich. 1400878;1455036660;mircea_popescu;lol. 1400879;1455036672;ben_vulpes;christ that's entertaining 1400880;1455036682;mircea_popescu;well, the science is setled alright : there is no science in "climate blabla, back to more productive uses. 1400881;1455036704;mircea_popescu;such as i dunno wtf these schmucks did before becoming "scientists", but i imagine revolutionizing keyboards and inventing better paper clips 1400882;1455036730;ben_vulpes;how about disrupting the blowjob? 1400883;1455036739;ben_vulpes;i guess that'd be sv 1400884;1455036789;BingoBoingo; how about disrupting the blowjob? << picking the long hairs out of the short hairs? 1400885;1455036845;ben_vulpes;subject of sv, it looks like i'll be on hold with intuit until the halvening 1400886;1455036870;mircea_popescu;and in further "who the fuck runs away in heels" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1axg3As9J1qddd4so1_1280.jpg 1400887;1455036871;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7biiF ) 1400888;1455036895;mircea_popescu;which one was inuit again ? the useless one ? 1400889;1455036904;ben_vulpes;they're all useless 1400890;1455036934;ben_vulpes;but intuit goes so far as to lobby against simplifying the american taxtuation so they can do 'ez' taxes for derps 1400891;1455036960;mircea_popescu;lol 1400892;1455036976;ben_vulpes;all i want is a form for hours and a button that remits appropriately 1400893;1455036986;ben_vulpes;and apparently i have to go through intuit for this 1400894;1455037022;ben_vulpes;small biz is worst biz 1400895;1455037064;mircea_popescu;move to romania, run it from there ; small biz costs you a few % in taxes and you get a person to do all your filings + basic legal support for a coupla hundred dollars/month. 1400896;1455037084;ben_vulpes;that is precisely the plan next time. 1400897;1455037094;ben_vulpes;also not taking fucking fiat. 1400898;1455037102;mircea_popescu;you can take fiat just fine. 1400899;1455037109;mircea_popescu;SEPA member, even easier than in the us. 1400900;1455037111;mircea_popescu;also free. 1400901;1455037193;ben_vulpes;huh 1400902;1455037910;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400226 << hah, she blocked me on twatter a month ago 1400903;1455037910;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:42:56; BingoBoingo: Spoiler alert, it was a trap. 1400904;1455037914;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400441 << i had to double check the list, surprised she wasn't already a lord, but we're off in another world this channel isn't always aware of, with quite another perspective it seems 1400905;1455037914;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 15:10:58; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes next month's s.mg filing might clarify. 1400906;1455038053;ben_vulpes;"The cybercriminal reached out to Motherboard through an apparently compromised DOJ email account earlier last week, and claimed to have obtained the stolen data by compromising that account and then using it to access a DOJ portal." 1400907;1455038073;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i mean how am i supposed to know what's going on in the far-flung provinces 1400908;1455038116;ben_vulpes;have been following the public feedz, yes, but much happens below the surface 1400909;1455038132;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400902 <<< was also banned from btctalk for 5 days for "trolling" according to het twitter danielpbarron 1400910;1455038132;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 17:11:50; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400226 << hah, she blocked me on twatter a month ago 1400911;1455038155;ben_vulpes;5 days lol they do timeouts now? 1400912;1455038162;ben_vulpes;"go sit in the corner! you've been bad." 1400913;1455038182;shinohai;kek 1400914;1455038188;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400906 << where wut 1400915;1455038188;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 17:14:13; ben_vulpes: "The cybercriminal reached out to Motherboard through an apparently compromised DOJ email account earlier last week, and claimed to have obtained the stolen data by compromising that account and then using it to access a DOJ portal." 1400916;1455038199;asciilifeform;and srsly what's with this habit of linkless quote 1400917;1455038204;asciilifeform;we feed google now ? 1400918;1455038214;ben_vulpes;scusi, scusi 1400919;1455038214;ben_vulpes;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-publishes-personal-info-of-20000-fbi-agents 1400920;1455038215;assbot;Hacker Publishes Personal Info of 20,000 FBI Agents | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7dHKr ) 1400921;1455038219;asciilifeform;ty ben_vulpes 1400922;1455038241;asciilifeform;also what part of this is seeekrit 1400923;1455038247;asciilifeform;who works for usg is public record 1400924;1455038255;ben_vulpes;their eeeemailz! 1400925;1455038259;ben_vulpes;iono man 1400926;1455038278;ben_vulpes;i had a pertinent question before the payroll people distracted me 1400927;1455038346;*;ben_vulpes is considering a new irc client 1400928;1455038415;jurov;kakobrekla dang you completely filter unicode on bitbet? my translation now looks like abortion :( https://bitbet.us/bet/1247/parties-smer-sd-and-sns-to-win-supermajority-in/#c5617 1400929;1455038416;assbot;BitBet - Parties SMER-SD and SNS to win supermajority in Slovak parliament :: 0.37 B (46%) on Yes, 0.43 B (54%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 2 days | weight: 84`005 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5uOGb ) 1400930;1455038513;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: try 'irssi' 1400931;1455038520;jurov;it's not going to be v-ified or somesuch 1400932;1455038530;ben_vulpes;(vil-ified!) 1400933;1455038544;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the suggestions continue to stack up 1400934;1455038579;ben_vulpes;an appealing thing about irssi is that it has a solarized light mode 1400935;1455038586;ben_vulpes;i could get my whole experience into solarized light 1400936;1455038640;*;danielpbarron also recommends irssi 1400937;1455038650;danielpbarron;been using it off and on for a decade 1400938;1455038675;danielpbarron;highly customizable, simple, runs on command line, in screen 1400939;1455038701;asciilifeform;wtf, what light mode, it's a tty proggy 1400940;1455038715;ben_vulpes;i like my colors to match! 1400941;1455038731;ben_vulpes;i motherfucking hate switching over to a dark terminal after using a light text editor 1400942;1455038734;ben_vulpes;mother 1400943;1455038735;ben_vulpes;fucking 1400944;1455038735;ben_vulpes;hate 1400945;1455038739;danielpbarron;you can color it however you like; I color nicknames based on my rating of them in the WoT 1400946;1455038749;ben_vulpes;no i want the whole screen tan-ish 1400947;1455038769;ben_vulpes;switching from light to dark and back is very painful for my head. 1400948;1455038773;BingoBoingo;It's a shame no one still connects to IRC by touching two wires together rhythmically 1400949;1455038774;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so set light terminal ? or dark text editor ?? 1400950;1455038807;ben_vulpes;light terminal, yes. specific color scheme at that. and no no fucking dark text editor because i have to pull up web pages and am right back at the original problem! 1400951;1455038812;phf;ben_vulpes: what's wrong with erc! 1400952;1455038820;kakobrekla;jurov will change that at some point 1400953;1455038826;ben_vulpes;phf: it's fine, great, doesn't bouncer well though. 1400954;1455038835;jurov;kakobrekla: please remove it completely, it's completely misleading 1400955;1455038868;ben_vulpes;phf: the best erc setup i've come up with is to run it through mosh in a terminal 1400956;1455038873;jurov;it changed "ÁNO" to "NO" which is the opposite 1400957;1455038878;kakobrekla;not a single comment ever got removed and i dont think we will start now 1400958;1455038892;kakobrekla;cant you elaborate it differently with a subsequent comment? 1400959;1455038897;BingoBoingo;jurov: Which side of the election are we rooting for? 1400960;1455038898;phf;ben_vulpes: if you're using znc, then http://paste.lisp.org/display/306886 might help 1400961;1455038899;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5vRWv ) 1400962;1455038904;ben_vulpes;phf: this means i have to maintain a mental map for "emacs on my server" and "emacs on my desktop 1400963;1455038907;ben_vulpes;oh god i tried znc 1400964;1455038919;*;ben_vulpes looks 1400965;1455038953;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: tried? it broke ? 1400966;1455038963;phf;i don't have an opinion on it. i have znc, bitlbee and erc all very lightly configured to work together, and i basically don't use anything else for comms 1400967;1455038967;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Give up and just open up your NIC buffer in ed to irc 1400968;1455038975;ben_vulpes;i think i even did erc-znc mode at one point 1400969;1455038983;jurov;BingoBoingo: I listed the biggest douches, rooting against them 1400970;1455039010;BingoBoingo;jurov: Aha. So like the local version of the Trump-Clitler alliance 1400971;1455039065;ben_vulpes;bitlbee huh 1400972;1455039112;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have a *million* complaints against znc 1400973;1455039122;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: say moar ? 1400974;1455039138;ben_vulpes;let us start with the completely fucking retarded web admin panel 1400975;1455039156;asciilifeform;nobody forces you to use it 1400976;1455039163;asciilifeform;can config with bare teeth 1400977;1455039168;jurov;Interesting there are some bets despite I have not advertised it yet. Local bitcoiners do follow bitbet :) 1400978;1455039173;ben_vulpes;then there's some default password implementation the specifics of which i forget but was miserably bad 1400979;1455039175;ben_vulpes;what else 1400980;1455039184;ben_vulpes;oh can't edit conf files and reload iirc 1400981;1455039192;asciilifeform;wai wut 1400982;1455039205;asciilifeform;or what, you want it to reload itself somehow ? 1400983;1455039207;ben_vulpes;do i misremember? 1400984;1455039212;asciilifeform;should it also massage the wife for you ? 1400985;1455039246;mats;lol 1400986;1455039249;kakobrekla;ofc you can edit conf 1400987;1455039259;ben_vulpes;o.O 1400988;1455039266;asciilifeform;aha 1400989;1455039293;BingoBoingo;jurov: How do you know that those bets aren't all from a degenerate like myself who just wants betting action? 1400990;1455039314;jurov;you dream shatterer, you! 1400991;1455039333;BingoBoingo;But no, I don't have any bets on that yet 1400992;1455039382;phf;kill -hup presumably works 1400993;1455039529;jurov;znc indeed is prone to overwriting conf, best to stop it and then edit if you must 1400994;1455039539;phf;somebody here i believe sponsored otp for znc plugin 1400995;1455039586;jurov;kek. but it's true somebody here sponsored otp for znc plugin 1400996;1455039601;phf;ah, right 1400997;1455039712;BingoBoingo;jurov: Ok, now I've bet on it 1400998;1455039808;punkman;where is this znc otp plugin? 1400999;1455039839;phf;punkman: https://github.com/mmilata/znc-otr 1401000;1455039840;assbot;GitHub - mmilata/znc-otr: OTR encryption plugin for ZNC IRC bouncer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7gNhB ) 1401001;1455039850;punkman;ah otr 1401002;1455039854;jurov;iirc it went into official distribution 1401003;1455039869;jurov;heh somebody read otc? 1401004;1455039887;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu i was looking at generalizing the 'oracle' resistance from cramer-shoup to other systems 1401005;1455039887;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1401006;1455039900;trinque;my setup was much like phf's, had a few znc crashes/freezes and trashed the lot for weechat in a tmux somewhere 1401007;1455039960;trinque;tried weechat.el, will probably end up using that when I bother to do something sensible around hightlight notifications 1401008;1455039980;punkman;http://pitchfork.com/news/63083-ghostface-killah-says-shithead-martin-shkreli-should-release-one-of-a-kind-wu-tang-album/ 1401009;1455039982;assbot;Ghostface Killah Says “Shithead" Martin Shkreli Should Release One-of-a-Kind Wu-Tang Album | News | Pitchfork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5xSCj ) 1401010;1455039984;trinque;I'll have this done just in time to switch to gossipd 1401011;1455039991;trinque;along with the new deedbot, lol 1401012;1455040134;jurov;gossipd will have irc interface? 1401013;1455040155;phf;dbus to adium 1401014;1455040185;PeterL;just needs a bot here and listening to gossipd to transmit messages between platforms, right? 1401015;1455040252;trinque;jurov: naw, just in time to rewrite 1401016;1455040273;asciilifeform;jurov: my unreleased prototype is driven using (local) irc listener, yes 1401017;1455040286;trinque;oh, how bout that 1401018;1455040298;phf;asciilifeform: it actually speaks a subset of irc then? 1401019;1455040307;asciilifeform;phf: only for frontend 1401020;1455040309;jurov;count on alf to have unreleased prototypes for everything :D 1401021;1455040317;asciilifeform;jurov: they are usually unreleased for ~reason~ 1401022;1455040391;asciilifeform;and irc frontend makes sense, thinkaboutit, nobody wants to use a cruddy ui hacked up for the occasion, everyone already has something reasonable that is irctronic 1401023;1455040416;phf;asciilifeform: is the whole thing in c? 1401024;1455040441;asciilifeform;phf: presently 1401025;1455040543;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7vsgzW6Br1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg << i wonder if all teh people that are into this stuff realise that the only reason a woman's skin is soft is specifically that she doesn't go around barefood & naked in chains. 1401026;1455040545;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7i8EQ ) 1401027;1455040590;asciilifeform;l0l must be like the fingers of guitarist ! 1401028;1455040608;mircea_popescu;aha 1401029;1455040613;jurov;rly? i thought it's cuz of the lotions they use to tan the hide 1401030;1455040640;mircea_popescu;i suspek the only effectiveness of the lotioning is that it keeps them from doing stuff / touching the spot for a while 1401031;1455040658;deedbot-;[Qntra] Steam Legacy Demolished - http://qntra.net/2016/02/steam-legacy-demolished/ 1401032;1455040666;mircea_popescu;not that anyone agrees with me on the topic in teh household(s) 1401033;1455040677;phf;as demonstrated by outside-bombai indian woman feet, walking around barefoot all the time doesn't do your skin any sort of justice 1401034;1455040759;mircea_popescu;depends if treebark is your notion of foot justice. 1401035;1455040834;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400945 << interesting idea 1401036;1455040834;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 17:25:39; danielpbarron: you can color it however you like; I color nicknames based on my rating of them in the WoT 1401037;1455040858;danielpbarron;wow BingoBoingo the most clickbaity title you ever qntra'd. I was very confused to find it wasn't about the game company 'Steam' 1401038;1455040876;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: What, guy can't spend 28 words on a joke? 1401039;1455040896;BingoBoingo;In news from out Nigerian prince http://qntra.net/2016/02/dprk-launches-satellite-into-space/#comment-45375 1401040;1455040898;assbot;DPRK Launches Satellite Into Space | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7iM5v ) 1401041;1455040913;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah seriously, none of that. it's ok for blogs but not q 1401042;1455040928;BingoBoingo;Alright 1401043;1455040939;BingoBoingo;Take it down? 1401044;1455040945;mircea_popescu;can stay, just as a policy 1401045;1455040946;PeterL;you could put it on your personal blog? 1401046;1455040959;BingoBoingo;I keep forgetting that thing exists. 1401047;1455040968;danielpbarron;i've seen the game thing pop up on social media, something about they are or might be accepting bitcoin 1401048;1455040981;mircea_popescu;and in other "strange cargo cult worshippers of incomprehensible machine-god" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7qiu7mzXa1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1401049;1455040982;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7iUSp ) 1401050;1455040999;BingoBoingo;Something derping about them and Bitpay. Been spending much of the morning looking for stories of steam explosions or other disasters. 1401051;1455041283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad idea. did it get anywhere ? 1401052;1455041347;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401022 << quite. 1401053;1455041347;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 17:53:11; asciilifeform: and irc frontend makes sense, thinkaboutit, nobody wants to use a cruddy ui hacked up for the occasion, everyone already has something reasonable that is irctronic 1401054;1455041356;mircea_popescu;cheat as much as humanly possible 1401055;1455041362;mircea_popescu;then turn into your wolf form and cheat some more. 1401056;1455041454;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was trying to figure out if it is separable from his use of the diffie hellman decision problem as the basis for the system 1401057;1455041483;asciilifeform;also interesting property, in c-s, you lose the chosen-ciphertext attack resistance if you split the message. 1401058;1455041529;asciilifeform;gonna have to cheat in wolf form, somehow. 1401059;1455041604;asciilifeform;see, i'm unwilling to entirely discount the 'quantum' calculator thing. 1401060;1455041668;mircea_popescu;soit 1401061;1455041675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00056847 = 36.581 BTC [-] 1401062;1455041837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which is why i'd rather not live and die solely by the discrete log problem. 1401063;1455041883;asciilifeform;(or, for that matter, integer factorization. which, for n00bz, i will point out that rsa has never actually been formally reduced to!) 1401064;1455041893;deedbot-;[Qntra] Dotcom Extradition Appeal Set To Begin August 29 - http://qntra.net/2016/02/dotcom-extradition-appeal-set-to-begin-august-29/ 1401065;1455041973;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-department-of-education-driving-tuition-increases/#comment-45435 << alright, who's the troll 1401066;1455041974;assbot;US Department Of Education Driving Tuition Increases | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7kJ1K ) 1401067;1455042285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75897 @ 0.00057458 = 43.6089 BTC [+] 1401068;1455042295;PeterL;don't you collect commenters' emails, do you have to ask? 1401069;1455042335;BingoBoingo;PeterL: We do, but it would be bad journalism to disclose such things. And really how often are we actually going to test emails anyways. 1401070;1455042436;BingoBoingo;As long as the email hasn't been used in spam, email isn't going to be the thing that makes or breaks a comment's journey past the spam filter 1401071;1455042452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i on the other hand am more than willing to die by this imaginary "quantum" computing. 1401072;1455042462;PeterL;how is that comment troll-y? 1401073;1455042480;mircea_popescu;it has exactly 0% chances to exist. if it did exist, however, the changes would be far reaching enough to render any present arrangements void anyway. 1401074;1455042481;mircea_popescu;so... 1401075;1455042522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the latter is demonstrably false 1401076;1455042526;asciilifeform;and yes, it is an inflatable tank 1401077;1455042529;asciilifeform;presently - imaginary 1401078;1455042533;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1401079;1455042541;BingoBoingo;PeterL: It mentioned the Bern, just kinda assumed it was. Didn't read too closely. 1401080;1455042542;asciilifeform;but speeding up factoring is quite physically plausible in a variety of ways 1401081;1455042547;mircea_popescu;ah that. sure. 1401082;1455042566;mircea_popescu;was specifically discussing "quantum" as the literary fanon concept 1401083;1455042598;PeterL;BingoBoingo but the comment agrees with your article 1401084;1455042607;mircea_popescu;it is pointedly NOT a scientific notion, for the record, not anymore than communism is ; and in no danger of ever becoming one, such as occasionally sf items did become. 1401085;1455042645;mircea_popescu;it belongs in the same heap as the audible / visible lasers, the bullets that spark off rock walls & al. 1401086;1455042646;BingoBoingo;Ah. I guess a point could be made that if Obama's Hope and Change didn't fix the problem Bernie's isn't likely to either. 1401087;1455042661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: atomic bullet!1111 1401088;1455042691;mircea_popescu;and so no, i'm not paying anyone anything to add "lightsaber armor" to my clothing. 1401089;1455042704;asciilifeform;l0l! 1401090;1455042710;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Maybe It's just getting late. My troll/humor doesn't seem to be calibrated right. 1401091;1455042717;BingoBoingo;BRB meat downtime 1401092;1455042741;PeterL;noon is late now? 1401093;1455042751;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't per se object to girl wearing "lightsaber armorer" cocktail dress, if that's the fashion, as long as it grabs her tits and waist right etc. 1401094;1455042765;thestringpuller;lightsaber armorer? 1401095;1455042773;thestringpuller;!s lightsaber armorer 1401096;1455042774;assbot;0 results for 'lightsaber armorer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightsaber+armorer 1401097;1455042774;BingoBoingo;PeterL: I woke up at 22:00 local time. Hazard of working Internet full time. 1401098;1455042774;mircea_popescu;"quantum computing proof" 1401099;1455042796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever read feynman's original paper on the subj ? 1401100;1455042802;mircea_popescu;yes. 1401101;1455042824;asciilifeform;so why specifically can we rule the thing out physically 1401102;1455042834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3831 @ 0.00057244 = 2.193 BTC [-] {2} 1401103;1455042848;mircea_popescu;it is not a bad paper. it is also not a bad thing to look for. unlike "cold fusion" and like "dark energy extraction", it has no actual merit for fundamental reasons. 1401104;1455042858;mircea_popescu;"we" can't. i, for my own needs, do, is all. 1401105;1455042895;asciilifeform;also, i will defend the notion that crypto - composes. usefully. the contrary notion is due 100% to retarded implementers, who belong in fermenting vat 1401106;1455042920;mircea_popescu;crypto MAY compose usefully. assuming composition is a solution is in itself braindamage. 1401107;1455042921;asciilifeform;if the composed elements are FULLY independent - composes. 1401108;1455042933;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is useful the way that the rng xor is useful 1401109;1455042942;asciilifeform;you are ~guaranteed~ the strength of the strongest. 1401110;1455042947;mircea_popescu;also asuming that A USEFUL WAY TO COMPOSE is always available is nonsense. and certainly asuming that the obvious composition is correct. 1401111;1455042959;asciilifeform;not always available - you gotta build it. 1401112;1455042988;asciilifeform;and, again, if the ciphertrons are INDEPENDENT, you can't do any damage by adding a damaged link downstream. 1401113;1455043037;mircea_popescu;just as long as this a) doesn't invalidate assumptions required by one in a way operator couldn't verify and b) they are actually independent, as opposed to "i thought they were" 1401114;1455043044;asciilifeform;well no shit 1401115;1455043049;mircea_popescu;no, but this is important. 1401116;1455043052;asciilifeform;see the 'implementer belongs in fermentation vat' point 1401117;1455043054;mircea_popescu;on the strength of the record to date. 1401118;1455043073;asciilifeform;!s cut abdomen open 1401119;1455043074;assbot;1 results for 'cut abdomen open' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cut+abdomen+open 1401120;1455043083;mircea_popescu;sure. just, the bleeding here is hidden. 1401121;1455043100;asciilifeform;all crypto bleeds hidden. 1401122;1455043118;asciilifeform;sapper is a better job, at least you're dead right away 1401123;1455043129;asciilifeform;instead of walking around buzzing with maggots for 20 years without knowing 1401124;1455043188;mircea_popescu;aha 1401125;1455044046;mircea_popescu;hmm looks like qntra ate my comment 1401126;1455046637;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-department-of-education-driving-tuition-increases/#comment-45443 1401127;1455046638;assbot;US Department Of Education Driving Tuition Increases | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tb2b0G ) 1401128;1455048080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00056825 = 24.0938 BTC [-] 1401129;1455048568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82400 @ 0.00057415 = 47.31 BTC [+] {6} 1401130;1455049299;jurov;!up guest7187 1401131;1455049789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116484 < if you care about the curios. spam filter had them before. 1401132;1455049790;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW6SOY ) 1401133;1455049855;asciilifeform;interesting 1401134;1455049910;mircea_popescu;https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012412.html << this is marginally lulzy. 1401135;1455049911;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Increase block size limit to 2megabytes ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW7bcy ) 1401136;1455049932;polarbeard;I've doxygened trb, https://polarbeard.github.io/trb-doxygen/init_8cpp.html 1401137;1455049933;assbot;trb: trb/release/bitcoin/src/init.cpp File Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW7cxh ) 1401138;1455049984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't see what is so hot about the composition thing 1401139;1455049994;asciilifeform;anybody can do that, it was actually the first thing i suggested 1401140;1455049996;mircea_popescu;i don't think anything'sd so hot. 1401141;1455050002;asciilifeform;ah. 1401142;1455050022;asciilifeform;what i was wondering is how the author of the comment came to think that this fits the specs given 1401143;1455050080;asciilifeform;srsly, classic example of 'cryptographers' playing confusion mind games with own selves 1401144;1455050129;asciilifeform;i think i will go to a racing competition; and submit an 'enchilada cipher' car, a junkyard carcass of old ferrari welded to remnants of a crashed mazerati. 1401145;1455050135;asciilifeform;FASTER THAN EITHER!11111 1401146;1455050226;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/44ogum/coinodealcom_western_union_scam_300/ << why the fuck does redditard have 300 dollars. 1401147;1455050228;assbot;Coinodeal.com Western Union Scam -$300 : Scams ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDCKCh ) 1401148;1455050563;PeterL;asciilifeform re hasty pudding cypher: didn't you say key tables are evil? 1401149;1455050599;asciilifeform;absolutely. 1401150;1455050637;asciilifeform;and srsly, i don't even see the point in thinking about that one. 1401151;1455050642;asciilifeform;it is junk, plain and simple. 1401152;1455050719;mircea_popescu;!up minzie_ 1401153;1455050734;PeterL;hi minzie_ who are you? 1401154;1455050751;minzie_;hi 1401155;1455050800;minzie_;looking for some brokerage in btc 1401156;1455050825;thestringpuller;minzie_: jurov is your guy 1401157;1455050861;minzie_;he isnt online at the moment, is he? 1401158;1455050891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.crypto.com/papers/turtle.pdf << slightly less retarded 1401159;1455050895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nW9350 ) 1401160;1455050900;asciilifeform;'s✏ø✪ü❒ý✠❞öÒó✍☎✗ö●✏➉✝❞ò✦ó❙ô✺✝✬❄✦ñ❞÷➃ýó♦✂ 1401161;1455050903;asciilifeform;ñ✚✖Þô❙ñ✛õ✗ö➍÷➃ø❊ò❖✂✛ôÖô❙ö➍ó✦÷➃ý➴þ❜ÿ✁❞ö✄✂ 1401162;1455050906;mircea_popescu;... 1401163;1455050907;asciilifeform;þ➍ýù✆☎✪ö➍÷➃ò❵➔✘✦☞ýó✍☎❵ó✍☎✪öÑø✪ñ❞ó✍✝➸û➵üö➒ö✱✰✛þ❨ö➍ù✪ó✟ý❒ñ②ø✪ò✾ñ✚✖✵qðó 1401164;1455050911;asciilifeform;s ✳ ✈❈✝❞ø✪õ❧qðt❧s✉➢✻✈✘➣✔✓■✴✰ú✗÷✟ó✟ü❒ö❐✝❞ø➵õt❉✗✝➸÷➃ö✩✝➸÷✟ö❵þ❨ñ②ø✪þ❨ö➍ù✪ó✟ú✆✝❞ü❒ü✠✂ì✏❞ö➍÷✥✂✤ò✟ý➴ô❙ù➵üö✚✜ú✴✾☎✗ö➍÷✟ö✩✝➸÷✟ö ø✪ñ þ❨ñ②ø✪ò✦ó✍✝❞ø●ó✟ò✄✓❀û➵ýó 1401165;1455050916;asciilifeform;ù❛ö➍÷➃ô✾ú✗ó✍✝➸ó✟ýñ②ø✪òÞñ❞÷■☎✆✝➸÷➃õ✛ÿ➜þ❨ñ✛õ✗ö➶õáó✍✝➸û➵ü❒ö➶ò✄✜✵✴✰ú✗÷✟ó✟üö✚◗ ò☞÷✟ö➶þ➍ú✗÷➃ò➃ý✠✏❞ö❏ò✦ó✦÷➃ú➵þ❨ó✟ú✗÷✟ö❏ù➵÷✟ñ✽✏✛ý❒õ✗ö➶ò✶✝ßø✎✝➸ó✟ú✪÷✥✝❞ü✝ôÖö➶þ✥☎✎✝❞ø 1401166;1455050917;mircea_popescu;god ima have to kick him again aren't i. 1401167;1455050919;polarbeard;there we go 1401168;1455050922;asciilifeform;✪ý➴ò✟ô➩✖❭ñ❞÷ 1401169;1455050924;asciilifeform;aargh 1401170;1455050927;asciilifeform;wtf 1401171;1455050933;*;asciilifeform kicks terminal 1401172;1455050936;mircea_popescu;you need a better macbook. 1401173;1455050951;asciilifeform;better hands. 1401174;1455050952;polarbeard;I'm evaling that just in case 1401175;1455050961;minzie_;xD 1401176;1455050970;mircea_popescu;➃ << i didn't even know slut brands were a html character. 1401177;1455050997;asciilifeform;nah that is clearly a billiard ball 1401178;1455051055;mircea_popescu;"Bath Salts: As of July 22, 2011 possession of Bath Salts is a Class 4 Felony with the same sentencing as above." ahahaha wut. 1401179;1455051068;mircea_popescu;us-plebs not allowed soft skin aha 1401180;1455051095;PeterL;it's a drug name 1401181;1455051104;polarbeard;just rebrand it to butt salts 1401182;1455051176;asciilifeform;anyway mircea_popescu , m. blaze's 'turtle' is, afaik, the only ~claimed~ provably-hard block cipher (non-otp) that i was able to track down. 1401183;1455051197;mircea_popescu;PeterL what drug is that in sane people speak ? 1401184;1455051252;PeterL;methylenedioxypyrovalerone 1401185;1455051279;mircea_popescu;so my sal inglesa bath salts are immune ? 1401186;1455051280;PeterL;sort of like a bulkier version of amphetamine 1401187;1455051306;mircea_popescu;(magnesium sulphate) 1401188;1455051330;PeterL;nah mag sulphate got demoted from the name, it's fine to use 1401189;1455051361;mircea_popescu;ah ok then :D 1401190;1455051397;PeterL;isn't it great when people take one word with a definite meaning and slap it onto something completely unrelated? 1401191;1455051412;asciilifeform;he also came up with a hash algo, 'tortuga' 1401192;1455051454;mircea_popescu;PeterL basically the us' main export product. 1401193;1455051465;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. was looking into this. 1401194;1455051470;minzie_;anyone know some good bitcoin trading software?? 1401195;1455051478;asciilifeform;or hm, not him 1401196;1455051482;asciilifeform;but based on 'turtle' 1401197;1455051500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah, you found it before ? 1401198;1455051526;mircea_popescu;minzie_ can you be specific ? what are you trying to do ? 1401199;1455051541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no, just now 1401200;1455051561;asciilifeform;ah 1401201;1455051565;minzie_;want to trade in exchanges 1401202;1455051606;mircea_popescu;remarkably undocumented online. 1401203;1455051631;mircea_popescu;minzie_ iirc adlai was peddling in that water. 1401204;1455051743;mircea_popescu;http://www.osti.gov/eprints/topicpages/documents/record/678/3823036.html << if this is to be believed it was introduced by a dude named blaze at upenn, and it's a feistel derivative. 1401205;1455051743;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWaAbq ) 1401206;1455051798;mircea_popescu;"Most modern publickey ciphers are designed to reduce or at least relate closely to some long 1401207;1455051799;mircea_popescu;studied problem that is believed to be difficult, such as factoring or finding discrete logarithms of 1401208;1455051799;mircea_popescu;large integers. Modern symmetrickey ciphers, on the other hand, can rarely be reduced to widely 1401209;1455051799;mircea_popescu;studied hard problems and so are frequently designed specifically to resist known cryptanalytic" 1401210;1455051811;mircea_popescu;absolute paydirt. WHY "can rarely be". who told you ? etc. 1401211;1455051854;asciilifeform;not 'rarely'; never. 1401212;1455051860;asciilifeform;to date. 1401213;1455051914;asciilifeform;anyway, took me most of a week to dredge this up, 1401214;1455051922;asciilifeform;and it had to be by looking at ancient sci.crypt crud 1401215;1455051941;asciilifeform;fwiw. 1401216;1455051972;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "can rarely be" and "never is". they do not speak of the same world. 1401217;1455051978;asciilifeform;well yes. 1401218;1455051990;mircea_popescu;what i wish to know is how did he establish his ought. 1401219;1455051991;asciilifeform;prolly oughta have said 'have never.' 1401220;1455052000;mircea_popescu;but it isn't what he actually said. 1401221;1455052006;*;asciilifeform reads, again 1401222;1455052022;mircea_popescu;when people go all scholarly and shit on me, and start with the "We show" bullcrap i fucking expect them to use the words they mean to use. 1401223;1455052046;asciilifeform;anyway i don't give a fuck what he said, i want to know if the proof actually proves anything of interest. 1401224;1455052076;asciilifeform;if there were 1,001 alleged proofs, i'd throw out this one perhaps, because annoying 1401225;1455052081;asciilifeform;but there is 1 alleged proof. 1401226;1455052084;asciilifeform;and a whole lot of silence. 1401227;1455052127;mircea_popescu;btw, how's the "ethereum ecosystem" doing these days ? all the shit they were going to launch months ago... just around the corner! 1401228;1455052135;mircea_popescu;are the brick and mortar ethereum things in yet ? 1401229;1455052143;*;asciilifeform has nfi 1401230;1455052341;asciilifeform;interestingly, blaze uses the term 'cryptovariable' in his code 1401231;1455052353;asciilifeform;this is traditional, archaic nsa term for... key 1401232;1455052366;asciilifeform;it has been a very long time since i saw this. 1401233;1455052377;mircea_popescu;well this item is from mid 90s, sat buried for the interval. 1401234;1455052394;asciilifeform;and wtf is with the character encoding in that pdf. 1401235;1455052398;asciilifeform;martian. 1401236;1455052403;mircea_popescu;smells to me like long dead bait job some 3rd line derp is trying to spring back to life on us, but hery. 1401237;1455052424;asciilifeform;remarkably stale for bait 1401238;1455052436;mircea_popescu;i'd almost be mildly insulted, if it weren't for the fact that my fucking spam filter identified it correctly on the first pass. 1401239;1455052443;asciilifeform;but interesting nonetheless, if i were hitler i would order 10,001 'provably np-hard' ciphers to be created. 1401240;1455052456;mircea_popescu;next year's crop of openbazaars 1401241;1455052464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to be clear, i'm discussing the 'turtle' paper 1401242;1455052468;mircea_popescu;hey, btw, did THAT vc powered bs mix ever come to anything ? 1401243;1455052468;asciilifeform;vs the two linked 1401244;1455052494;asciilifeform;(or did this, too, come up in the spam filter) 1401245;1455052528;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1401246;1455052550;mircea_popescu;wait... i never published this item 1401247;1455052558;mircea_popescu;uh... 1401248;1455052564;asciilifeform;i found 'turtle' by hand 1401249;1455052571;asciilifeform;from ancient crud pile 1401250;1455052573;mircea_popescu;i thought you had just went from a comment i just published. except i hadn't. 1401251;1455052574;asciilifeform;as explained earlier 1401252;1455052590;asciilifeform;note, i have not gone over the proof! 1401253;1455052602;mircea_popescu;me either as i just saw it. 1401254;1455052610;mircea_popescu;so you were independently looking at this and from before ? 1401255;1455052616;mircea_popescu;what linked it ? where ? 1401256;1455052721;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.crypt/ZlqcPy9opnY/r6V4ntk4IFEJ 1401257;1455052723;assbot;Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1SesWBc ) 1401258;1455052726;asciilifeform;^ not linked as such, but mentioned 1401259;1455052741;asciilifeform;and no, i don't have a vintage copy of this thing on dead tree, or the like 1401260;1455052796;asciilifeform;i dug up this old luger in the forest, aha. and i've no idea whether it fires forwards or backwards, of yet. 1401261;1455052897;asciilifeform;further dig reveals that it was mentioned in a few places, fwiw. 1401262;1455052944;asciilifeform;http://crypto.com << herr blaze himself, apparently. ask him. 1401263;1455052944;assbot;Matt Blaze / crypto.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWcSr5 ) 1401264;1455052981;mircea_popescu;nice domain, you know ? 1401265;1455053000;asciilifeform;oh hey 1401266;1455053007;asciilifeform;he's the one who broke randi's cipher 1401267;1455053017;asciilifeform;http://www.crypto.com/blog/law_school_exam 1401268;1455053018;assbot;Matt Blaze: Exhaustive Search Goes to Law School ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWd0qk ) 1401269;1455053022;asciilifeform;and the rest of his blog, lulzy 1401270;1455053053;mircea_popescu;http://www.crypto.com/blog/celltapping/ 1401271;1455053054;assbot;Matt Blaze: How Law Enforcement Tracks Cellular Phones ... ( http://bit.ly/1nWd4Xl ) 1401272;1455053318;asciilifeform;i see nothing that sets off my allergies, astonishingly 1401273;1455053323;asciilifeform;on blaze's www 1401274;1455053461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider inviting him here ? 1401275;1455053484;mircea_popescu;you do it! 1401276;1455053497;asciilifeform;i'm not a famous k00l d00d 1401277;1455053652;asciilifeform;oh and now i'm curious what the spam said 1401278;1455053677;mircea_popescu;im sure that he had his fill of those. talk of interesting things to him instead. 1401279;1455053684;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just that, "look into turtle" 1401280;1455053706;asciilifeform;i'ma write to herr blaze, then. 1401281;1455053721;asciilifeform;let the man speak for himself. 1401282;1455053989;mircea_popescu;re hasty pudding : 2^120 weak keys. heh. 1401283;1455054007;asciilifeform;massive turd 1401284;1455054029;asciilifeform;and when i first saw it mentioned, some years back, i actually thought it was named for shitting oneself 1401285;1455054039;asciilifeform;and that it might be called 'to make hasty pudding' 1401286;1455054045;asciilifeform;but apparently this is not a thing 1401287;1455054089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, another thought occurs : maybe the way to go is make the key a matrix and go for something like the maximum volume submatrix problem somewhere in there. 1401288;1455054116;mircea_popescu;have the message specify the conditionation, and then how the fuck are you going to extract it if you don't know what you're starting from 1401289;1455054131;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually started with this 1401290;1455054134;mircea_popescu;ha! 1401291;1455054137;asciilifeform;it is tricky. 1401292;1455054146;mircea_popescu;listen this is getting ridiculous lol. 1401293;1455054148;asciilifeform;impossible to say ~average case~ complexity 1401294;1455054159;mircea_popescu;well... yeah i dunno how you'd do that. 1401295;1455054160;asciilifeform;hey maths are the same for everybody. 1401296;1455054170;asciilifeform;can't fault if mircea_popescu and i come up with same arithmetic. 1401297;1455054172;mircea_popescu;what we want is some actual methods to calculate the difficulty curve over the space 1401298;1455054180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00056769 = 44.7907 BTC [-] 1401299;1455054185;asciilifeform;(lulzier when we get ~different~ arithmetic!11 as in the otp mega-thread) 1401300;1455054214;mircea_popescu;lol 1401301;1455054219;mircea_popescu;rare, luckily. 1401302;1455054243;mircea_popescu;anyway, the more i think about this tyhe more im convinced our problems are really one problem : the absence of a proved mechanism to create the difficulty graph of a primitive. 1401303;1455054262;mircea_popescu;and this should NOT in general be as hard as to actually break any one key. 1401304;1455054285;asciilifeform;incidentally, i suppose that this is when i confess that this is actually my day job 1401305;1455054290;mircea_popescu;ie the problem could be reducxible 1401306;1455054293;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1401307;1455054294;asciilifeform;... judging algorithmic complexities of various algos 1401308;1455054345;mircea_popescu;but you know what i want ? i want it to output a fucking graph! 1401309;1455054375;mircea_popescu;looking exactly like this : https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?chs=240x45&cht=ls&chco=FFFFFF,FF9900,FFFFFF&chd=t:100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,1 1401310;1455054375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SevuiN ) 1401311;1455054375;mircea_popescu;00,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100,100|43,49,55,55,57,64,67,65,65,65,65,66,74,74,74,74,74,74,74,75,75,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,76,76,76,76,76,76,76,76,76,76,75,75,75,75,75,74,74,73,73,73,73,73,73,72,72,72,72,72,71,71,71,71,71,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,73,72,73,71,65,64,65,63,63,63,63,62,62,62,55,55,54,54,55,64,64,64,64,64,64|14,15,17,17,18,22,24,24, 1401312;1455054375;mircea_popescu;24,24,24,25,33,33,33,34,34,34,34,35,35,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,36,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,42,43,43,43,43,43,43,43,44,44,44,44,44,44,44,44,44,44,44,45,45,45,45,45,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,50,51,55,57,63,64,65,68,68,68,68,69,69,69,78,78,78,79,80,99,99,99,99,99,99&chls=1|1|1&chm=B,3699a3,0,0,0|B,d01135,1,0,0|D,555555,2,0:0,2 1401313;1455054380;mircea_popescu;holy shit what the fuck happened 1401314;1455054393;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1401315;1455054397;mircea_popescu;oh wow, bitbet uses google charts, i forgot. anyway. likew one of the bitbet charts! 1401316;1455054419;mircea_popescu;you know, so this algo has N keys, fine, the space is N. caqlculate the complexity for all of them, sort the weakest to the left, draw it for me. 1401317;1455054479;mircea_popescu;in principle, at 100% granularity this would then result in an image 2^256 or however many pixesl wide. fine. 1401318;1455054481;mircea_popescu;let me zoom out. 1401319;1455054492;mircea_popescu;show me the 1024kb graph of arbitrary scheme. 1401320;1455054499;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2015#1045632 << see also 1401321;1455054499;assbot;Logged on 07-03-2015 18:12:58; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'for your convenience we have packaged the defective transistors separately' ? (famous) 1401322;1455054530;asciilifeform;if you ~know~ the class of weak keys, you can define them not-keys and have no weak keys ! 1401323;1455054548;asciilifeform;like we do for rsa 1401324;1455054659;mircea_popescu;aha! 1401325;1455054695;mircea_popescu;but currently, a box wherein you input code on one end, and it outputs this peculiar graph at arbitrary zoom level is the most valuable computer i can think of. 1401326;1455054702;mircea_popescu;yes, it may take a while to zoom you in. ok! 1401327;1455055000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu loves his ulam spirals, l0l 1401328;1455055010;mircea_popescu;:D 1401329;1455055058;mircea_popescu;hey, some of us are visual thinkers. 1401330;1455055233;asciilifeform;in all seriousness, i mathematicize mentally more or less wholly geometrically. 1401331;1455056986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70305 @ 0.00056331 = 39.6035 BTC [-] {2} 1401332;1455057117;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7237825 << vintage lulz 1401333;1455057118;assbot;This sort of thing is a recurring theme in cryptography:1. Someone proposes a ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbgFOg ) 1401334;1455057140;asciilifeform;'1. Someone proposes a scheme based on Hard Problem X. X looks strong, but the resulting scheme either is too slow or has gigantic keys. 2. Someone else comes along and proposes a related scheme based on Hard Problem Y which, having more structure, allows for either smaller keys or faster computation. 3. Later turns out this extra structure also helps the attacker.' 1401335;1455057198;mircea_popescu;and yet we deeply wonder why would anyone fix a large key and block requirement! 1401336;1455057213;mircea_popescu;stupidity of this caliber can't be naturally produced, has to be learned. 1401337;1455057241;mircea_popescu;but herein we find the elixir of my tolerance of orcs that perhaps bedazzles you alf. this is it : they may be stupid, but at least they're not TRAINEDLY dumb. 1401338;1455057263;asciilifeform;neither is the dirt under my feet. 1401339;1455057265;asciilifeform;let's talk to it, too ? 1401340;1455057280;asciilifeform;and i fully understand why mircea_popescu is fond of orcs. 1401341;1455057306;asciilifeform;prolly same reason why i and many folks like tame animals more than most people. 1401342;1455057319;asciilifeform;or even wild, man-eating animals 1401343;1455057339;mircea_popescu;heh 1401344;1455057404;asciilifeform;also i will note that orcs are, where typically found, trained-dumb in a number of easily identifiable ways. 1401345;1455057408;asciilifeform;(e.g., allah-snackbar) 1401346;1455057421;mircea_popescu;eh, if only. 1401347;1455057439;*;mircea_popescu recalls how friendly arabs were once it was established he has whiskey and doesn't mind sharing. 1401348;1455057481;asciilifeform;everybody's quite friendly 'in group of less than three' 1401349;1455057484;asciilifeform;even chechen. 1401350;1455057494;mircea_popescu;so i hear yeah 1401351;1455057505;mircea_popescu;but this ran up to the dozen. 1401352;1455057535;asciilifeform;must've been mega-whiskey 1401353;1455057703;mircea_popescu;mubarak days. better times. 1401354;1455057743;asciilifeform;mu fell off, now we only have barak. 1401355;1455057777;mircea_popescu;heh 1401356;1455057929;mircea_popescu;but in other news, i shall brb, for duty calls. ( http://49.media.tumblr.com/41d2478fe09e54b02e6239e54c59bb07/tumblr_nxpjm8l98j1qlne6uo1_500.gif duty is the one wearing white) 1401357;1455057930;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q62JP8 ) 1401358;1455058088;asciilifeform;http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140213-ideal.html << nifty bernstein l0ltr0n 1401359;1455058089;assbot;cr.yp.to: 2014.02.13: A subfield-logarithm attack against ideal lattices ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbifQj ) 1401360;1455058545;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20160119035457/https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/plaidctf2014-crypto200-graphs.html 1401361;1455058546;assbot;fail0verflow :: plaidCTF 2014 - graphs (crypto200) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q63Jmg ) 1401362;1455058546;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: today from the mines. I'm setting up puppet which uses openssl 1401363;1455058549;asciilifeform;^ lulzy problem 1401364;1455058555;thestringpuller;the thing ships with it's own libcrypto library 1401365;1455058557;asciilifeform;and apparently the man died yesterday, and his site is gone. 1401366;1455058565;thestringpuller;but apparently it doesn't know how to find the right .so to link 1401367;1455058593;thestringpuller;so I get this error " EC_GROUP_new_curve_GF2m symbol not found at runtime link blah blah" 1401368;1455058608;thestringpuller;so I run readelf on all the libcrypto***.so's 1401369;1455058622;thestringpuller;the one that shipped with the product that uses it doesn't even have the symbol in it?!?!? 1401370;1455058633;thestringpuller;like wtf are these people doing when the put together package management 1401371;1455058658;thestringpuller;"we're gonna ship you a broken library. have fun!" 1401372;1455058695;asciilifeform;wai wut 1401373;1455058700;asciilifeform;why did this even ship with a binary ? 1401374;1455058711;thestringpuller;exactly my question!!!1 1401375;1455058729;thestringpuller;puppet really shit the bed on their open source project 1401376;1455058741;thestringpuller;"Don't wanna deal with this bullshit? Buy puppet enterprise today!" 1401377;1455058761;asciilifeform;i have nfi what is 'puppet.' 1401378;1455058858;thestringpuller;a configuration management tool for devops 1401379;1455058878;thestringpuller;removes itops out of the equation in lieu of developers slowly losing sanity to ruby 1401380;1455058970;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu mega-l0ltr0n from ages gone by, http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NEWS3/MEMO.HTM#36292906.1151332@news.visi.com 1401381;1455058974;assbot;The Value of Cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tbjcb6 ) 1401382;1455058974;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1401383;1455059227;mircea_popescu;wait, bernstein died ?! 1401384;1455059283;asciilifeform;nonono 1401385;1455059289;asciilifeform;this other bloke 1401386;1455059292;asciilifeform;fail0verflow 1401387;1455059323;asciilifeform;though it won't surprise me if bernstein dies of mystery 'accident' 1401388;1455059339;asciilifeform;http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NEWS3/MEMO.HTM#70dpbv$gal$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com << l0ltr0nic 1401389;1455059343;assbot;The Value of Cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q64T17 ) 1401390;1455059366;mircea_popescu;ah ok 1401391;1455059377;asciilifeform;'What I don't 1401392;1455059377;asciilifeform;like is the spying on Americans for political reasons that will 1401393;1455059377;asciilifeform;someday make what the Soviet Union had look like a dream of a long 1401394;1455059379;asciilifeform;lost freedom.' 1401395;1455059388;asciilifeform;^ '98 1401396;1455059469;asciilifeform;massive lulzmine. 1401397;1455059561;asciilifeform;e.g., http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/NEWS3/MEMO.HTM#3634a72a.2430860@news.io.com 1401398;1455059564;assbot;The Value of Cryptanalysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1TbjUFg ) 1401399;1455060276;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes got an email "bitcoin-foundation.info expires in 60 days" 1401400;1455060283;jurov;should i renew it? 1401401;1455060490;ben_vulpes;nah man dns a fuck 1401402;1455060510;ben_vulpes;stop paying lizard hitler for entries in his global lookup table 1401403;1455061008;jurov;lolk 1401404;1455061983;mircea_popescu;" everything looks like a boolean satisfiability problem. This problem, also called SAT, is NP-complete, which means that every instance of any problem in NP can be efficiently reduced to a SAT instance. And, importantly, there are SAT solvers out there which are very efficient for many problems encountered in practice." 1401405;1455061989;mircea_popescu;uh. i had no idea sat is solved now ? 1401406;1455062020;mircea_popescu;oh he just gets lucky. ok. 1401407;1455062152;mircea_popescu;hanbot 464 * 8824 * 1.54 * 1.25 = 7881596.8 1401408;1455062190;mircea_popescu;597 * 262 * 1.35 = 211158.9. 7670437.9 net 1401409;1455062198;mircea_popescu;oops. 1401410;1455062237;mircea_popescu;1998-10-18 W T Shaw: "In Bruce's work, there are sinful omissions and comissions, but the subject is so large that this would always be a surity in some form. To judge his character, we will see if he mentions in the future any things he has previously ignored and have been pointed out directly to him." << no. as confirmed throughout and including 18 years later. 1401411;1455062536;mircea_popescu;"1998-10-18 dscott@networkusa.net: "Part of the NSA job is to keep the world in the dark about real ctypto. Think about it. What better way to do it than by creating crypto preists for people to whorship."" and apparently this was well understood 18 years ago, also. 1401412;1455062867;mircea_popescu;"1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "We *never* know that a cipher is strong. Ever." "Now, we might 'consider' a cipher strong when all *our* guys have looked at it and found no break. But, quite frankly, the *other* guys have more training, more experience, more resources, more time, and they may even be smarter than our guys." "I claim it is more important to have many different ciphers than to have a few which are 'considered 1401413;1455062867;mircea_popescu; strong.' Why? Because we *can't* know how strong our ciphers *really* are to the other guy. But we *can* -- guaranteed -- make The Opponent pay dearly to keep up."" 1401414;1455062874;mircea_popescu;terry ritter actually understands quite al ot. 1401415;1455062885;mircea_popescu;meanwhile notice that EVERYONE is on aes to the degree people are treating it like windows. 1401416;1455062887;mircea_popescu;ditto ecc. 1401417;1455062891;mircea_popescu;fuck this stupid shit already omfg. 1401418;1455063330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84450 @ 0.00056296 = 47.542 BTC [+] {4} 1401419;1455063452;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: ben_vulpes got an email "bitcoin-foundation.info expires in 60 days" << yeah, we've got 'thebitcoin.foundation' until like 2020 iirc. we're good. 1401420;1455063780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whole thing is a riot, worth reading on rainy day. 1401421;1455063940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64267 @ 0.00056222 = 36.1322 BTC [-] {2} 1401422;1455064001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00056698 = 3.9972 BTC [+] {2} 1401423;1455064017;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401405 << solved in the same way travelling salesman is 'solved' 1401424;1455064017;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 23:53:09; mircea_popescu: uh. i had no idea sat is solved now ? 1401425;1455064024;asciilifeform;by brute force, when very very small. 1401426;1455064065;asciilifeform;and by cheating in your wolf form, when larger (e.g., simulated annealing, eldritch magic such as evolutionary compute, genetic algo, etc) 1401427;1455064611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11173 @ 0.00056222 = 6.2817 BTC [-] {2} 1401428;1455064672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108635 @ 0.00056073 = 60.9149 BTC [-] {4} 1401429;1455065314;asciilifeform;!up pete_d_out 1401430;1455065322;pete_d_out;cheers alf! 1401431;1455065329;asciilifeform;hola pete_d_out 1401432;1455065345;pete_d_out;hola! 1401433;1455065361;mircea_popescu;lol i see you like the wolf form idea! 1401434;1455065384;asciilifeform;very. 1401435;1455065396;asciilifeform;i'ma quite definitely be spending moar time in wolf form. 1401436;1455065462;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1399063 << also (in the last few weeks) first time the market cap of qntra has breached 100 btc. to both of which, bravo bravo bravo 1401437;1455065462;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 17:35:13; BingoBoingo: In other news, Qntra just passed 1000 posts. http://qntra.net/2016/02/dprk-launches-satellite-into-space/ was number 1000 1401438;1455065528;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398875 << and further felicitations are due to ben v ! 1401439;1455065528;assbot;Logged on 07-02-2016 11:15:33; ben_vulpes: happy second birthday, cascadianhacker 1401440;1455065581;pete_d_out;contravex turns two years old on february 22nd :) 1401441;1455066050;pete_d_out;in other gendarmerie news, https://www.rt.com/usa/331793-texas-town-leaders-arrested/ 1401442;1455066051;assbot;Den of corruption: FBI arrests all but one local official in Texas town — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnHopq ) 1401443;1455066075;pete_d_out;start with the small towns, then the mid-size towns, then the bigger towns ? 1401444;1455066416;mircea_popescu;howly shit, a 7500 town worth 2mn, and the bribes going to mayor ~ part of a used car ? 1401445;1455066489;mircea_popescu;in "what's in store for america" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnasqguj3m1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1401446;1455066490;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnIotY ) 1401447;1455066491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wrote to blaze. 1401448;1455066493;asciilifeform;fwiw. 1401449;1455066501;mircea_popescu;cool. 1401450;1455066520;asciilifeform;will admit that i'll be a little surprised if he answers. 1401451;1455066539;asciilifeform;now who wants to try bernstein! 1401452;1455066554;mircea_popescu;"1998-10-29 dscott@networkusa.net: "It is obvious that mixinf three different types of ciphers would be better than Triple DES...." << well, it's CERTAINLY obvious that mixing TWO types is better than double-des 1401453;1455066563;asciilifeform;l0l! double des! 1401454;1455066570;mircea_popescu;and there DOES exist such a technique as mathematical induction 1401455;1455066609;asciilifeform;surely 1401456;1455066647;mircea_popescu;in case any noobs be wondering why it even is triple-DES : doubleDES(plaintext)=plaintext. 1401457;1455066667;asciilifeform;well, if same key 1401458;1455066674;asciilifeform;which is the case for virtually all symmetric ciphers 1401459;1455066740;mircea_popescu;right 1401460;1455066865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's point re: orcs is well-illustrated in the mega-compendium. observe how the crackpots who can barely string coherent words together, actually sit closer to the dirty truth than the 'educated' folk 1401461;1455066883;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1401462;1455066902;mircea_popescu;apparently all the stuff i proposed as common sense was in point of fact common sense plainly said on public list 20 years ago. 1401463;1455066910;asciilifeform;and earlier. 1401464;1455066919;mircea_popescu;yet somehow the decades passed for no benefit and idiots still pretend like it's never happened. outrageous. 1401465;1455066934;asciilifeform;'never happened' (tm) (r) 1401466;1455066949;mircea_popescu;anyway. aes and des should be excommunicated out of everything asap, there's no two ways about it. 1401467;1455066952;asciilifeform;it helped a little that google 'lost' the dejanews archive 1401468;1455066956;asciilifeform;(at least large portions thereof) 1401469;1455066991;mircea_popescu;also i should like to propose a lemma : that chaining should always proceed TOWARDS SMALLER BLOCKS 1401470;1455066996;mircea_popescu;and never the other way around. 1401471;1455067003;asciilifeform;explain? 1401472;1455067017;asciilifeform;(and there is still des somewhere?!! where?) 1401473;1455067036;mircea_popescu;if you have ciphers A B C with block lengths lA lB lC, then the chaining should be applied in such order that l1 > l2 > l3. 1401474;1455067105;asciilifeform;this 'feels right in my gut' but how to justify this? 1401475;1455067112;mircea_popescu;1998-10-30 Douglas A. Gwyn: "...I can exhibit the design for a block cipher that is demonstrably secure according to the rules of the game, although it wouldn't be *practical*." << you should write to him, too. 1401476;1455067126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't. it is intuition. 1401477;1455067163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now that i think about it, it is elementary 1401478;1455067179;asciilifeform;a break in the larger-blocked cipher is likely to rely on known structure 1401479;1455067182;asciilifeform;!up pete_d_out 1401480;1455067183;shinohai;!up pete_d_out 1401481;1455067187;shinohai;kek 1401482;1455067192;pete_d_out;cheers :D 1401483;1455067193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: deny the enemy the known structure, when possible. 1401484;1455067201;asciilifeform;by using the smaller-unit meatgrinders. 1401485;1455067211;mircea_popescu;i suspect it goes deeper than that. something something entropy/and/bandwidth 1401486;1455067307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally ... what about the set of ultra np ? 1401487;1455067316;mircea_popescu; bobs@rsa.com mentions it. 1401488;1455067445;mircea_popescu;man fucking schneier is intolerable. i can pick out his lines even without looking at attribution. his entire output comes out of a tiny fucking word grinder. 1401489;1455067459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he says right there, garey & johnson 1401490;1455067466;*;shinohai L'chaim pete_d_out ! [~]D 1401491;1455067469;asciilifeform;!s garey johnson 1401492;1455067470;assbot;1 results for 'garey johnson' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=garey+johnson 1401493;1455067472;asciilifeform;^ 1401494;1455067484;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2016#1397622 1401495;1455067484;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 02:49:24; asciilifeform: i actually hit garey & johnson's mega-encyclopaedia 'intractability' and dug 1401496;1455067498;mircea_popescu;aha. 1401497;1455067509;pete_d_out;shinohai even a few weeks early, i'll take it. cheers ;) 1401498;1455067537;pete_d_out;actually working a "news" piece that i'd give to qntra but i... don't have my keys. so to contravex it goes. 1401499;1455067564;asciilifeform;see also: https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Complexity_Zoo 1401500;1455067566;assbot;Complexity Zoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnKMkd ) 1401501;1455067567;asciilifeform;^ megaclassic 1401502;1455067591;mircea_popescu;expspace for instance. everyone's fixated on exponential run time 1401503;1455067592;mircea_popescu;well... 1401504;1455067602;mircea_popescu;expspace doesn't parallelize as well. 1401505;1455067659;mircea_popescu;take for instance the berman real numbers thing 1401506;1455067724;mircea_popescu;iirc all exp- are proven not in P. which is better than what is known for np. 1401507;1455067740;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400919 << heh. ok so now i see that this 'news' was already in the logs. but does 'motherboard' actually publish the contact lists ? nah. do i ? you bet. 1401508;1455067740;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 17:16:54; ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-publishes-personal-info-of-20000-fbi-agents 1401509;1455067762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also schneier used to be mostly sane 1401510;1455067774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform come to think of it : take a matrix, set it to go pieces, calculate the value of the position. 1401511;1455067775;asciilifeform;till about 2000 1401512;1455067803;mircea_popescu;(note that "beating a human" is not equivalent to solving this. if it were...) 1401513;1455067814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is actually a bitch, but by no means np-hard 1401514;1455067823;asciilifeform;somewhere below O(N^3) iirc. 1401515;1455067843;mircea_popescu;it's not NP, it's EXPTIME 1401516;1455067849;asciilifeform;supposing 'value' means 'what it means to go player', as in score if the game were declared to end 1401517;1455067853;asciilifeform;rather than the minimax value ! 1401518;1455067861;asciilifeform;which is, now that i think about it, what mircea_popescu prolly meant 1401519;1455067878;asciilifeform;you did, didntcha. 1401520;1455067881;mircea_popescu;myeah 1401521;1455067886;asciilifeform;l0lz 1401522;1455067919;asciilifeform;forget go, nobody ever full-depth minimax even for, e.g., checkers. 1401523;1455067924;mircea_popescu;and take Stearns-Hartmanis, you know for a fact that all EXPs are actually NOT in P 1401524;1455067925;asciilifeform;just not done on this planet. 1401525;1455067929;mircea_popescu;something you don't know about NP itself. 1401526;1455067942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform go is convenient tho because so close to a matrix. 1401527;1455067952;mircea_popescu;it is, in point of fact, a TERNARY NUMERIC SYSTEM MATRIX 1401528;1455067958;asciilifeform;aha. 1401529;1455068081;mircea_popescu;or to get back to exponential space problems : "decide first order logic propositions with real numbers, adition and comparison" is a very hard problem. 1401530;1455068089;mircea_popescu;by which i mean, known to be harder than p. this is proven. 1401531;1455068114;mircea_popescu;and know to be harder than p is a more valuable proof for our interest than known to be in np. 1401532;1455068132;asciilifeform;hey i don't even own an instrument that deals in the reals !11111 1401533;1455068136;asciilifeform;(and nobody else does either) 1401534;1455068180;mircea_popescu;again and again we come to the "will need nre hardware" thing 1401535;1455068194;mircea_popescu;!up PaulCapestany 1401536;1455068212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you can design hardware that deals in ~reals~ i will take off my hat. 1401537;1455068233;mircea_popescu;you got one in your fucking car. 1401538;1455068236;asciilifeform;mno. 1401539;1455068243;asciilifeform;contrary to popular notion, analogue comp does ~not~ 1401540;1455068248;mircea_popescu;it's not programmable quite to your taste, but it does deal in reals. 1401541;1455068258;asciilifeform;made of what, pfff, quantized matter. 1401542;1455068263;mircea_popescu;lol 1401543;1455068268;asciilifeform;piss-poor reals. 1401544;1455068281;mircea_popescu;note that position is not quantized. 1401545;1455068292;asciilifeform;planck length!111 1401546;1455068292;mircea_popescu;just unknowable. 1401547;1455068295;mircea_popescu;haha 1401548;1455068312;mircea_popescu;but anyway, we digress. 1401549;1455068314;asciilifeform;anyway contrary to the other popular notion, this is not why we don't have analogue pc 1401550;1455068321;asciilifeform;(really because noise floor) 1401551;1455068333;mircea_popescu;aha. it's exactly the same thing. "unknowable" 1401552;1455068344;asciilifeform;noise in analogue machine is multiplicative. 1401553;1455068352;asciilifeform;which is kiss of death. 1401554;1455068362;asciilifeform;and actually how my rng worx. 1401555;1455068378;mircea_popescu;but getting back to it, the point i want made is that EXP-* inclusion beats NP inclusion. 1401556;1455068404;asciilifeform;yes, but to what planet should i go to, to get one ? 1401557;1455068436;mircea_popescu;hm. 1401558;1455068459;mircea_popescu;what don't you like about the go above ? 1401559;1455068472;asciilifeform;just like mircea_popescu, to help folks working on a historic and unsolved mathematical problem by replacing with unfathomly harder one, l0l 1401560;1455068487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that it isn't a cryptoscheme ? 1401561;1455068498;asciilifeform;(please wake me up if you can convert it into one) 1401562;1455068593;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pro-palestinian hackers leak FBI and DHS database. Here it is. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/09/pro-palestinian-hackers-leak-fbi-and-dhs-database-here-it-is/ 1401563;1455068657;pete_d_out;speaking of 'sensitive material', what ever came of that little dispute with your hosting co. over the sipa hit, mircea_popescu ? 1401564;1455068720;shinohai;"Nigerian prince schemes" <<< lol pete_d_out 1401565;1455068830;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: you do know that the lowliest monkey in each usg ministry has access to the microshit 'outlook' phonebook seen in the link, aha ? 1401566;1455068857;asciilifeform;even contractors 1401567;1455068867;asciilifeform;(all the way down to visiting chinese grad students) 1401568;1455068978;pete_d_out;but you didn't and neither did i 1401569;1455068997;pete_d_out;'more just' now 1401570;1455069042;shinohai;!up pete_d_out 1401571;1455069064;pete_d_out;or to quote dr. zhivago, 'it's more just this way' 1401572;1455069073;pete_d_out;cheers shinohai :) 1401573;1455069105;pete_d_out;asciilifeform and chinese grad student mighta had a few hundred contacts even, but tens of thousands ?? 1401574;1455069119;pete_d_out;what kind of silos are these ? 1401575;1455069291;asciilifeform;all of them 1401576;1455069352;asciilifeform;this is a mega-unsurprise. 1401577;1455069421;pete_d_out;weird. 1401578;1455069468;asciilifeform;iirc the list of folks who work for fbi and dhs is not even classified 'sensitive' (usg legal term, the thing below 'secret') 1401579;1455069481;asciilifeform;wake me up when nsa list, sorted by directorate, leaks. 1401580;1455069543;asciilifeform;(phun phakt: even they are permitted to openly admit to working for nsa) 1401581;1455069557;asciilifeform;i once turned up at a party full of'em 1401582;1455069613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35417 @ 0.00056468 = 19.9993 BTC [+] {2} 1401583;1455069674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48898 @ 0.00056506 = 27.6303 BTC [+] 1401584;1455069739;pete_d_out;asciilifeform was schutzstaffel any different ? 1401585;1455069806;asciilifeform;idk, never went to ~their~ party 1401586;1455069891;pete_d_out;just another example of you being born too late ! 1401587;1455069916;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400204 << i lollered at 'attended butterbeast community college' 1401588;1455069916;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 09:19:11; BingoBoingo: https://sli.mg/2Y1UQe 1401589;1455070019;mod6; 1401590;1455070037;mod6;haha wat 1401591;1455070073;TomServo;Is there a better way to do this: http://dpaste.com/0V93852 ? 1401592;1455070075;assbot;dpaste: 0V93852 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tbztgq ) 1401593;1455070075;*;mod6 has rather enjoyed the crypto discussion in the last number of days. 1401594;1455070080;*;mod6 looks 1401595;1455070102;TomServo;Like trimming the last entry, or checking for consecutive hours? 1401596;1455070153;mod6;whacha tryin to do? 1401597;1455070186;TomServo;Just looking at avg blocks per hour on a syncing node 1401598;1455070191;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400224 <--> "My body is not something that can be sold. I can sell my time, attention, etc but my body always belongs to me. And I think shame is more your area than mine, otherwise why would you respond to such a non-threatening post with such violence?" 1401599;1455070191;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 11:39:22; BingoBoingo: Brave camho ventures into the bitcointalk cesspool https://archive.is/64HCm 1401600;1455070194;mod6;ah 1401601;1455070376;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400271 << /me always wondered what alf used for 'smartphone' 1401602;1455070376;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:16:19; asciilifeform: nah thats what ipnohe is for 1401603;1455070461;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400275 << haha best 538 yet 1401604;1455070461;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:20:50; ben_vulpes: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cam-newton-never-had-a-chance/ << great charts 1401605;1455070531;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: for what did you think. 1401606;1455070560;asciilifeform;also for 'радио звезда' when commuting, what else. 1401607;1455070562;pete_d_out;i toyed with the idea of dumbphone mebbe 1401608;1455070583;asciilifeform;didja also toy with idea of chewing rusty nails ? 1401609;1455070593;pete_d_out;i did ! 1401610;1455070604;*;phf uses dumbphone 1401611;1455070621;pete_d_out;asciilifeform you're a bit of a masochist of nothing else. 1401612;1455070626;pete_d_out;if* 1401613;1455070648;pete_d_out;phf same here 1401614;1455070650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10798 @ 0.00056505 = 6.1014 BTC [-] {2} 1401615;1455070671;asciilifeform;fwiw, the 'dumb'/'smart' distinction is a sham 1401616;1455070687;asciilifeform;or rather, from user's pov, it exists; 1401617;1455070699;asciilifeform;while it makes not a lick of difference to usg deathsquad 1401618;1455070762;asciilifeform;worth remembering that the ~original~ (in as far as publicly known) case of pwned phone with always-on mic was a 'dumb' 1401619;1455070772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116450 @ 0.00056725 = 66.0563 BTC [+] {2} 1401620;1455070773;phf;well, that's not a reason i use mine. i spend so much time on technology, i require explicit and often prolonged periods of disconnect to stay healthy 1401621;1455070782;pete_d_out;^^^^ 1401622;1455070802;pete_d_out;and, hell, ergonomics 1401623;1455070814;asciilifeform;l0l, wut?! 1401624;1455070819;asciilifeform;pete_d_out actually talks ~into~ the thing ? 1401625;1455070828;pete_d_out;huh ? 1401626;1455070832;pete_d_out;nonono 1401627;1455070833;asciilifeform;headset exists 1401628;1455070844;pete_d_out;but using as 'internet device' 1401629;1455070899;asciilifeform;!up pete_d_out 1401630;1455070923;pete_d_out;standing there or sitting there, hunched over with the stupid i-thing 12" in front of your face because it's 'convenient' instead of walking over to desktop or laptop or god forbid waiting until you get home. ~that's~ the killer. 1401631;1455070986;asciilifeform;pete_d_out clearly does not spend much time stuck in cars 1401632;1455070988;asciilifeform;or trains 1401633;1455070994;kakobrekla;pete_d_out how about some prehistoric nokia 1401634;1455071018;kakobrekla;also works as hammer 1401635;1455071041;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: pretty sure these won't even work, where i live, today 1401636;1455071042;*;kakobrekla likes phones that work as hammers 1401637;1455071047;nubbins`;as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship. 1401638;1455071050;asciilifeform;american telcos phased out analogue band 1401639;1455071052;shinohai;"Damn, we're 1 brick short of finishing this house" "I have a Nokia!" 1401640;1455071056;nubbins`;speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, that all may witness it. 1401641;1455071068;kakobrekla;im sure something like nokia 3210 still works here just fine 1401642;1455071070;asciilifeform;fwiw i agree with nubbins` 1401643;1455071082;nubbins`;lords care not whether their presence "confuses the noobs"; such reasoning is unfit for discourse 1401644;1455071083;pete_d_out;asciilifeform i walk or cycle 4/7 days per week. 'saddam' sits in heated parkade. blessedly for both and neither of our constitutions could bear more roadtime. 1401645;1455071141;phf;i thought cars are typically books-on-tape territory 1401646;1455071166;pete_d_out;kakobrekla razr isn't a great hammer, admittedly 1401647;1455071178;asciilifeform;phf: i actually ran out (!) of book tape warez of tolerable quality 1401648;1455071184;asciilifeform;from many years of this. 1401649;1455071204;phf;pimsleur? :) 1401650;1455071210;kakobrekla;pete_d_out yeah that phone is garbage 1401651;1455071219;phf;could be speaking french and iranian by now 1401652;1455071224;asciilifeform;phf: nah, that sort of thing needs attention span not available in car 1401653;1455071230;*;pete_d_out isn't caught up on logs, isn't sure what nubbins` is referring to. 1401654;1455071240;pete_d_out;kakobrekla i quite like it. 1401655;1455071245;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: http://trilema.com/2016/the-lordship-list-third-year 1401656;1455071246;assbot;The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2mc7w ) 1401657;1455071262;nubbins`;don't worry pete, just keep linking trilema on your blog 1401658;1455071292;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: funnily, my brother uses 'razor' for decade+ now, it looks entirely pristine 1401659;1455071300;phf;that's the phone that i use http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007F9XJDY i guess it's discontinued, since the only available option is same for $250 :o 1401660;1455071302;assbot;Amazon.com: Samsung GT-E1182L E1182 DUOS Unlocked Quad-Band Dual SIM GSM Phone with Dual SIM Standby Support, FM Radio and Organizer - US Warranty - Silver: Cell Phones & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2mj36 ) 1401661;1455071318;pete_d_out;nubbins` ok ? 1401662;1455071327;kakobrekla;we are talking about this 'razr' ? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/RAZR_V3i_opened.JPG 1401663;1455071329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2mlId ) 1401664;1455071340;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: yes, it! 1401665;1455071340;pete_d_out;^^ 1401666;1455071363;kakobrekla;odd. 1401667;1455071369;asciilifeform;why? 1401668;1455071381;phf;biggest issue with razr, screen guaranteed to crack if you sit down with it in back pocket 1401669;1455071389;asciilifeform;so never put it in back pocket. 1401670;1455071396;asciilifeform;i've never in my whole life used a back pocket. 1401671;1455071413;nubbins`;my back pockets are empty 1401672;1455071420;nubbins`;why sit on a thing? 1401673;1455071422;asciilifeform;anything therein will either be destroyed or worm its way up your arse 1401674;1455071425;asciilifeform;aha! 1401675;1455071439;kakobrekla;i havent heard nothing but 'it stopped working' from the owners if memory serves 1401676;1455071442;nubbins`;even a wallet -- your cards will all crack in half 1401677;1455071470;phf;i like to freeclimb abandoned buildings when i'm drunk, i have very specific requirements for my cellphones. i've destroyed 4 iphones so far, unfixable mechanical damage 1401678;1455071482;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: perhaps these were the dropping, drowning, back-pocketing kind of folk 1401679;1455071496;asciilifeform;against whom nothing, not even cast iron crowbar, is safe 1401680;1455071510;kakobrekla;i dont know but if i cant hammer nails with it its not a phone for me 1401681;1455071532;kakobrekla;i mean wtf now i have to take care of it!? 1401682;1455071536;kakobrekla;fuck that. 1401683;1455071538;phf;^^ 1401684;1455071561;asciilifeform;'leave the microscope at home??' 'no!!!111' 1401685;1455071598;kakobrekla;but its not a precision device. 1401686;1455071610;kakobrekla;its like youd need to 'take care' of a tank. 1401687;1455071618;kakobrekla;puhlease. 1401688;1455071646;asciilifeform;https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/d981bbfb-6f7e-4db7-9429-8d5df211f63c-large.jpeg << here we go. 1401689;1455071647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2mVpo ) 1401690;1455071686;kakobrekla;first day i got my last phone it fell about 5 meters to concrete floor 1401691;1455071695;kakobrekla;put the battery back in still works to this very day 1401692;1455071696;asciilifeform;http://images-p18-7.cdn.mywed.ru/users_new/2895/2895/forum/0018/18/1469907.jpg << moar! 1401693;1455071697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2n0JF ) 1401694;1455071700;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400324 << pretty much this. /me sold aapl in 2013, mostly uses 06-08 hardware now. no steve, no apple. 1401695;1455071700;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 13:52:37; mircea_popescu: anyway, the winds have pointedly turned against apple. the time when they did that "we'll brick your device if you used other parts in it" thing i'd arbitrarily pick as the jumping the shark moment. but in any case : apple is for the next decade a company to sell, not to hold and CERTAINLY not to buy. 1401696;1455071732;kakobrekla;if it was an 'iphone' it be broken to 100 pieces 1401697;1455071736;asciilifeform;btw what was mircea_popescu speaking of there 1401698;1455071748;asciilifeform;what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it' 1401699;1455071805;nubbins`;nothing 1401700;1455071808;kakobrekla;tank should be able to take a beating. so should phones. 1401701;1455071818;asciilifeform;nubbins`: aha! afaik 1401702;1455071822;kakobrekla;there is no good reason not to. 1401703;1455071834;nubbins`;you can use 100% "other parts" if you like. 1401704;1455071856;phf;asciilifeform: perhaps this http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/06/apple-says-iphone-error-53-is-to-protect-customers-security 1401705;1455071857;assbot;Apple says iPhone 'Error 53' is to protect customers' security | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2nj7o ) 1401706;1455071873;kakobrekla;relatedly kindle wont boot with unofficial battery afaik 1401707;1455071896;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: this is SOP on most new laptops 1401708;1455071904;asciilifeform;ditto for power bricks, for perhaps a decade now 1401709;1455071911;asciilifeform;(won't brick, but machine won't charge) 1401710;1455071923;asciilifeform;this is called 'revenue leakage prevention' believe or not. 1401711;1455071931;kakobrekla;my tp charges just fine as long as the voltage is right 1401712;1455071937;asciilifeform;'90s ? 1401713;1455071941;kakobrekla;recent 1401714;1455071965;kakobrekla;must be an apple thing. 1401715;1455071969;kakobrekla;what you are describing 1401716;1455071970;asciilifeform;anyway chinese don't do it yet. 1401717;1455072047;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n from phf's link : http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/09/internet-of-things-smart-home-devices-government-surveillance-james-clapper 1401718;1455072048;assbot;US intelligence chief: we might use the internet of things to spy on you | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1V2nIGX ) 1401719;1455072071;asciilifeform;'“In the future, intelligence services might use the [internet of things] for identification, surveillance, monitoring, location tracking, and targeting for recruitment, or to gain access to networks or user credentials,” Clapper said.' 1401720;1455072106;pete_d_out;recruitment !!!1 1401721;1455072115;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: aka blackmail 1401722;1455072145;pete_d_out;i'm sure that'll work a solid 2/3 times. 1401723;1455072187;pete_d_out;unfortunately, 1/3 'recruits' looking for every possible way to bring down their 'employer' is a lot of angry worker bees stinging anywhere and everywhere 1401724;1455072214;asciilifeform;most 'angry' bees don't know anything interesting. 1401725;1455072229;asciilifeform;or we would be sitting here and discussing how aes leaks key bits. 1401726;1455072268;asciilifeform;and how magic packet enables intel remote admin via nic. 1401727;1455072269;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400369 << no one got the 'pete(r)ed out' angle eh. hm. maybe bb's right, my jokes do need work :( 1401728;1455072269;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 14:09:06; ben_vulpes: doesn't that get you on some kind of vile criminal list in canada? 1401729;1455072269;asciilifeform;etc 1401730;1455072290;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400376 << no one could've predicted ! 1401731;1455072290;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 14:10:08; mircea_popescu: i never expected him to not show up under his PROFESSIONAL names... 1401732;1455072481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78650 @ 0.00056769 = 44.6488 BTC [+] 1401733;1455072747;shinohai;!up pete_d_out 1401734;1455072754;pete_d_out;thx 1401735;1455072814;shinohai; And with that I am off to the loving arms of my Mistress for the night. Ciao! 1401736;1455073048;pete_d_out;gnite ! 1401737;1455073396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00056769 = 9.0263 BTC [+] 1401738;1455073793;mod6;mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place. 1401739;1455074250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00056778 = 43.2648 BTC [+] {2} 1401740;1455074293;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ? 1401741;1455074293;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 16:34:59; asciilifeform: where? antarctica ? 1401742;1455074494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27352 @ 0.00056571 = 15.4733 BTC [-] 1401743;1455074546;pete_d_out;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400869 << i thought 'spruce goose' was funny in junior high or thereabouts. not that this reference was any more readily grasped than 'cscl'.. 1401744;1455074546;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 16:48:44; ben_vulpes: i am now renaming my cock to CSCL Indian Ocean 1401745;1455074908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401740 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2016#1372916 1401746;1455074908;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 03:18:13; pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400809 << how about that conpherence you were at recently ? shnoopdog or what was it. no gurl programmers there ? 1401747;1455074908;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 18:52:19; ascii_shmoocon: mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik 1401748;1455074931;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html 1401749;1455074931;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a ) 1401750;1455074947;asciilifeform;and i have nfi what they did for a living 1401751;1455074963;mod6;barring any sort of major problems, as long as this one tests well, will bundle it up in a week or so. have at it! 1401752;1455074967;mod6;thanks in advance. 1401753;1455074987;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1401754;1455075020;asciilifeform;!up pete_d_out 1401755;1455075030;pete_d_out;thx! 1401756;1455075043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32323 @ 0.00056427 = 18.2389 BTC [-] {2} 1401757;1455075051;pete_d_out;asciilifeform y'know, you could've, like, asked the 'transies' 1401758;1455075070;asciilifeform;...why?? 1401759;1455075075;pete_d_out;"excuse me, miss, er, sir, er... anyways, so what do you do for work ?" 1401760;1455075099;asciilifeform;again wtf why 1401761;1455075099;pete_d_out;asciilifeform because people talk to each other !!!1 1401762;1455075104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94878 @ 0.00057111 = 54.1858 BTC [+] {4} 1401763;1455075111;pete_d_out;to find out things (tm) (r) 1401764;1455075111;asciilifeform;mmeh 1401765;1455075141;pete_d_out;eg. whether your theory of "no gurl programmers except chetty" has any basis in reality 1401766;1455075156;asciilifeform;i have strictly rationed Giving A Fuck Pointz 1401767;1455075182;pete_d_out;and not so strictly rationed Theories About Reality Pointz, apparently 1401768;1455075204;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: it was not a theory ! merely observation 1401769;1455075212;asciilifeform;about concretes 1401770;1455075248;asciilifeform;plenty of things that i have not seen with own eyes, live happily somewhere. 1401771;1455075259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno man, i'm just thinking. 1401772;1455075279;mircea_popescu;pete_d_out nothing that i put in public. 1401773;1455075311;pete_d_out;asciilifeform mno. "where are they ? antartica ?" is a theory. if a tongue-in-cheek one 1401774;1455075346;pete_d_out;mircea_popescu aha 1401775;1455075572;pete_d_out;mod6 nice work on v99995 ! quite a few changes in there. my v99996 test has had a few bumps in the road (mostly hosting issues afaict) but is still syncing. i'll let you know if there are any snags in that, but holleee you guys are pumping out these trb releases !! 1401776;1455075637;asciilifeform;iirc no release2 yet? 1401777;1455075767;pete_d_out;right you are. i misspoke then, should be 'trb iterations' 1401778;1455076094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: pete_d_out: for what did you think. << facebook games !!! 1401779;1455076108;asciilifeform;l0l 1401780;1455076153;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401608 << i never had anything else. da fuck i want anything else for. 1401781;1455076153;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:16:23; asciilifeform: didja also toy with idea of chewing rusty nails ? 1401782;1455076159;asciilifeform;angry turdz!11 1401783;1455076188;asciilifeform;why does mircea_popescu even need a phone. 1401784;1455076228;mircea_popescu;well, need. 1401785;1455076258;asciilifeform;being that he is never in any place but where he wanted to be 1401786;1455076359;asciilifeform;for some reason i have difficulty picturing him with a phone. 1401787;1455076395;asciilifeform;even an analogue one 1401788;1455076524;mircea_popescu;i have a samsung thingee 1401789;1455076588;asciilifeform;i believe it 1401790;1455076719;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401637 < o.O 1401791;1455076719;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:07; nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship. 1401792;1455076798;mod6;pete_d_out: salud! 1401793;1455076915;mircea_popescu;i guess if the man wants it... that oughta count for something huh. 1401794;1455076975;mircea_popescu;lol hardcore nubbins` 1401795;1455076998;nubbins`;just call me the shadow lord 1401796;1455077025;mircea_popescu;fine fine. sold me. 1401797;1455077349;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401645 <<< ican't fucking stand people talking at me at thge speed THEY think 1401798;1455077349;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:25:41; phf: i thought cars are typically books-on-tape territory 1401799;1455077439;mircea_popescu;!up guest7187 1401800;1455077481;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401670 << condoms go there 1401801;1455077481;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:29:56; asciilifeform: i've never in my whole life used a back pocket. 1401802;1455077489;mircea_popescu;in all the people who can't understand why they keep getting women pregnant 1401803;1455077506;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401673 << ahahaha or that. 1401804;1455077506;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:30:22; asciilifeform: anything therein will either be destroyed or worm its way up your arse 1401805;1455077575;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank 1401806;1455077575;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:33:30; kakobrekla: its like youd need to 'take care' of a tank. 1401807;1455077580;mircea_popescu;6 horses better deal. 1401808;1455077632;mircea_popescu;!up pete_d_out 1401809;1455077638;pete_d_out;cheers ! 1401810;1455077697;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401698 << teh iphone. 1401811;1455077697;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:35:48; asciilifeform: what did apple brick 'if you used other parts in it' 1401812;1455077706;mircea_popescu;or ipad or something. i dunno, one of their shits. 1401813;1455077727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119797 @ 0.00056733 = 67.9644 BTC [-] {3} 1401814;1455077737;pete_d_out;phf found it, tis in the logs 1401815;1455077745;pete_d_out;more recent than i woulda thunk 1401816;1455077754;pete_d_out;but yes, it's definitely a thing 1401817;1455077907;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401738 << cool! 1401818;1455077907;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 03:09:53; mod6: mircea_popescu: thebitcoin.foundation/src redirect has been put into place. 1401819;1455078073;asciilifeform;btw whatever one thinks of crapple, the bind they're in re: greymarket parts is very real. 1401820;1455078095;asciilifeform;when morons go to chop shop and have grey chinese sensor installed, and it craps out or works 1 time in 8, they will blame - apple. 1401821;1455078136;asciilifeform;approx. same deal with the magic power cord 1401822;1455078146;asciilifeform;i saw a chinese one melt, with my own eyes 1401823;1455078148;asciilifeform;smelled, too 1401824;1455078195;asciilifeform;(and yes, i am aware that the 'official' items are also made in cn. but they are NOT chinese in the usual sense, there are taskmasters ruthlessly driving the slaves and testing conformance to spec) 1401825;1455078201;asciilifeform;^ or at least ~were~ 1401826;1455078267;pete_d_out;on the topic of the lordship list, can someone please tell me what 'fief' mats is fighting for ? pogo distribution ? pgp server thing he started then quit ? other things ? i'm genuinely curious. he doesn't contribute ~that~ much to the debates here that i can see, though he's certainly not invisible, but most of what i glean from his commentary is along the lines of "windows isn't so bad u guise", which, i guess, is what it is. anyways, 1401827;1455078267;pete_d_out; i'd like to sumbit that mats be removed from the lordship list on the upcoming go-around. tis but a humble proposal to my fellow lords. 1401828;1455078271;mircea_popescu;right. WERE. back in the day when nobody had to be told to use original parts. 1401829;1455078272;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1401830;1455078284;mircea_popescu;the way dead corps go, fences go up after the horses leave. 1401831;1455078380;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: iirc he was doing the judges thing 1401832;1455078426;pete_d_out;he did do some solid homework there, i concede. 1401833;1455078480;hanbot;pete_d_out you sumbitting proposals from an alt? 1401834;1455078487;asciilifeform;^l0l! 1401835;1455078502;asciilifeform;pete_d_out: i mainly associate him with american army and related matters 1401836;1455078503;pete_d_out;hahahah omg party foul 1401837;1455078516;asciilifeform;(boot camp, boots, grunting, shitting oneself, sapping, other arts) 1401838;1455078529;pete_d_out;hanbot you can tell i don't do this often eh 1401839;1455078567;pete_d_out;in light of the obvious circumstances, i hereby retract my non-existent proposal. signed, nobody. 1401840;1455078591;pete_d_out;asciilifeform and pants pooping iirc 1401841;1455078598;pete_d_out;lol nm.. 1401842;1455078600;asciilifeform;i included! 1401843;1455078630;pete_d_out;i'm more tired that i realised. i'm sending this alt to bed as the 4am crying-feeding is coming all too soon. ciao amigos ! 1401844;1455078644;asciilifeform;goodnight pete_d_out. 1401845;1455078653;hanbot;happy sleep 1401846;1455078666;mats;whoa there 1401847;1455078674;mats;that's not how that story went 1401848;1455078695;asciilifeform;mats: i well recall that it was a proper, orderly, military pant-shitting, don't worry 1401849;1455078702;mats;good. 1401850;1455078764;nubbins`;what's pete doing on the list anyway 1401851;1455078798;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc he wanted to be propaganda minister or the like 1401852;1455078813;nubbins`;lel. 1401853;1455078838;nubbins`;yoosful 1401854;1455078844;asciilifeform;and possibly he handled one of mircea_popescu's synthetic assetrons, but i genuinely don't recall, this is far from my home planet 1401855;1455078865;mircea_popescu;yeah how is that pr thing coming ? 1401856;1455078867;nubbins`;afaik pete only wrote a blog where he regurgitated mp themes 1401857;1455078875;nubbins`;and... hangs out here 1401858;1455078885;asciilifeform;nubbins`: iirc he does it deliberately, it was supposed to be a summary thing 1401859;1455078890;asciilifeform;for heathens to read 1401860;1455078898;nubbins`;oh, really? 1401861;1455078902;asciilifeform;ask'im when he wakes up. 1401862;1455078908;asciilifeform;because i have nfi 1401863;1455078909;nubbins`;yipes 1401864;1455078914;asciilifeform;i confess, i do not usually read his thing 1401865;1455078923;nubbins`;that's sorta worse 1401866;1455078943;nubbins`;yeah, bitcoin pete is not on my reading list 1401867;1455079182;nubbins`;s.nsa january statement is on my reading list, but... 1401868;1455079198;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2016#1398202 1401869;1455079198;assbot;Logged on 06-02-2016 17:51:57; mircea_popescu: so for everyone watching : s.nsa will be doing double month report next month ; s.mpoe will be filing later today. 1401870;1455079210;nubbins`;ah, ty 1401871;1455079313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056584 = 20.9927 BTC [-] 1401872;1455079368;nubbins`;is this implying an absence of operational activity? 1401873;1455079588;asciilifeform;nubbins`: nope 1401874;1455079702;mats;fwiw, most of my free time is consumed by work towards being useful for the most recent s.nsa proposal re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348500 1401875;1455079702;assbot;Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu . 1401876;1455079721;mats;and in fact this has been my primary interest in being in this wot in the first place. since the beginning. 1401877;1455079749;asciilifeform;mats: neato. how's that coming along? 1401878;1455079779;mats;slaving over an idapython plugin for windbg because existing ones are shit 1401879;1455079813;mircea_popescu;mats well that's great to hear, actually. 1401880;1455079961;mats;overall progress is pretty slow. i would benefit from a mentor, but none of the greybeards i know, have time for me 1401881;1455079993;asciilifeform;mats: idapython specifically?? in windbg? Why? 1401882;1455080065;asciilifeform;lulzily, i actually liked the built-in debugger in ida. 1401883;1455080117;mats;its what i learned 1401884;1455080194;mats;and the public idapython plugins seemed more feature complete, so i went from there 1401885;1455080208;mats;also, i was encouraged to do that. 1401886;1455081143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12767 @ 0.00056584 = 7.2241 BTC [-] 1401887;1455082119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61608 @ 0.00056452 = 34.7789 BTC [-] {4} 1401888;1455082546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21088 @ 0.00056498 = 11.9143 BTC [+] 1401889;1455082973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41325 @ 0.00056498 = 23.3478 BTC [+] 1401890;1455083799;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1401125 << Appears to be missing 1401891;1455083799;assbot;Logged on 09-02-2016 18:54:06; mircea_popescu: hmm looks like qntra ate my comment 1401892;1455083824;punkman;http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-77-percent-of-train-cameras-are-fake-6818459.php 1401893;1455083825;assbot;BART admits 77 percent of train cameras are fake or don’t work - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUIXZY ) 1401894;1455083986;punkman;https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-fear-bureaucratic-paralysis-by-minxin-pei-2016-02 1401895;1455083987;assbot;China’s Rule of Fear by Minxin Pei - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJ5J0 ) 1401896;1455084623;punkman;http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks" 1401897;1455084624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJR8N ) 1401898;1455084799;mircea_popescu;there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia. 1401899;1455084807;mircea_popescu;which is what happened : the fed owns all of them anyway. 1401900;1455084934;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://static.adclickxpress.is/avx/images/b/DHM160X600.jpg 1401901;1455084935;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUKj79 ) 1401902;1455084958;mircea_popescu;%, best moneys ever. 1401903;1455084986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95922 @ 0.00056723 = 54.4098 BTC [+] {2} 1401904;1455085847;BingoBoingo;In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie. 1401905;1455086023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00055973 = 48.1088 BTC [-] {4} 1401906;1455086153;BingoBoingo;On the other side Sanders beat Clitler 13 delegates to 9 1401907;1455086829;mircea_popescu;vaguely related, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ef68c41bdf08d2706812737b323f547/tumblr_mhg0b3hl3n1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1401908;1455086831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RondI3 ) 1401909;1455087487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00056099 = 32.6496 BTC [+] {4} 1401910;1455087970;BingoBoingo;In further developments, Cruz has now jumped Rubio as the new BitBet favorite. 1401911;1455089073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34875 @ 0.00056928 = 19.8536 BTC [+] {3} 1401912;1455089378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00056141 = 32.3934 BTC [-] 1401913;1455091147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00056379 = 8.8233 BTC [+] {2} 1401914;1455091696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00056379 = 10.4865 BTC [+] 1401915;1455092184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19106 @ 0.00056379 = 10.7718 BTC [+] 1401916;1455092855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00056379 = 38.6196 BTC [+] 1401917;1455092892;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1401918;1455092899;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.88, vol: 5740.47168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.14, vol: 13050.93419762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.45205, vol: 18178.66740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 1167.00217383 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.63624, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1401919;1455092900;BingoBoingo;;;more 1401920;1455092901;gribble;383.230107573 1401921;1455092911;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency jpy 1401922;1455092918;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 43270.9375, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 43774.255875, vol: 5740.47168 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43328.25, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 44652.5716, vol: 18185.49820000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 43427.931, vol: 173.34285269 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 43725.7692, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: 44210.4863285 1401923;1455093282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59150 @ 0.00056535 = 33.4405 BTC [+] {3} 1401924;1455094136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00056639 = 11.4694 BTC [+] 1401925;1455094380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61822 @ 0.00056639 = 35.0154 BTC [+] 1401926;1455094441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22078 @ 0.00057024 = 12.5898 BTC [+] 1401927;1455094559;punkman;http://irdajp.info/images/irdastack.PNG nice pile of crap 1401928;1455094560;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkoM7e ) 1401929;1455095356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00057203 = 44.4467 BTC [+] {5} 1401930;1455096820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73675 @ 0.00056471 = 41.605 BTC [-] 1401931;1455097247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19479 @ 0.00056471 = 11 BTC [-] 1401932;1455098345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00056379 = 17.703 BTC [-] {2} 1401933;1455099260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90081 @ 0.00056358 = 50.7678 BTC [-] {3} 1401934;1455099748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86839 @ 0.00056315 = 48.9034 BTC [-] {2} 1401935;1455100297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36858 @ 0.00056033 = 20.6526 BTC [-] {3} 1401936;1455100907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106691 @ 0.00055973 = 59.7182 BTC [-] {3} 1401937;1455101151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169756 @ 0.00057096 = 96.9239 BTC [+] {7} 1401938;1455101660;deedbot-;[Qntra] Intel Removes Skylake Feature Retroactively With Microcode Update - http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-removes-skylake-feature-retroactively-with-microcode-update/ 1401939;1455102371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86150 @ 0.00056053 = 48.2897 BTC [-] 1401940;1455107170;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401805 < 'take care' as in 'dont drive over this puddle of kittens or it will break!!!!' 1401941;1455107170;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank 1401942;1455107313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00056053 = 5.3531 BTC [-] 1401943;1455107434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71023 @ 0.00057252 = 40.6621 BTC [+] {3} 1401944;1455107484;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1386711 >>> raise your hand if you've ever replaced AFV treads 1401945;1455107484;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 00:06:01; ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic 1401946;1455107533;adlai;kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys 1401947;1455107617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42312 @ 0.00056225 = 23.7899 BTC [-] {2} 1401948;1455107739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14588 @ 0.00055888 = 8.1529 BTC [-] 1401949;1455108385;BingoBoingo;adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts? 1401950;1455108471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00057465 = 60.2233 BTC [+] {4} 1401951;1455108484;adlai;heh that'd be good for some hand-wringing: planned obsolescence in military equipment. expiration date reached? cardano broadcasts private key! 1401952;1455108776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107800 @ 0.00057632 = 62.1273 BTC [+] {3} 1401953;1455108893;BingoBoingo;Seriously It's a thing 1401954;1455108953;BingoBoingo;Compare and contrase Humvee and Toyota/Nissan truck maintenance 1401955;1455110224;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs 1401956;1455110304;kakobrekla;adlai, mircea_popescu , can you sit on it ? 1401957;1455110305;mircea_popescu;a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate. 1401958;1455110323;mircea_popescu;adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them. 1401959;1455110348;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes 1401960;1455110352;adlai;mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't let that feeling show! 1401961;1455110365;mircea_popescu;later, with the womenz. 1401962;1455110370;mircea_popescu;that's what womenz are for amirite. 1401963;1455110373;kakobrekla;yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also. 1401964;1455110381;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 1401965;1455110384;mircea_popescu;qed. 1401966;1455110457;*;mircea_popescu reads the log, sees the people have basically said what he was going to say anyway, realises that he is rapidly becoming superfluous 1401967;1455110460;mircea_popescu;PARTAY! 1401968;1455110484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00057102 = 41.97 BTC [-] {2} 1401969;1455110502;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://41.media.tumblr.com/349d419fa0c0de096bca20136675a677/tumblr_nxd0kzYROr1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1401970;1455110504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3nNtI ) 1401971;1455110668;BingoBoingo;Why is the mobility impaired in this ad? https://i.sli.mg/nyYJ2T.png 1401972;1455110669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3o6VB ) 1401973;1455110698;asciilifeform;!s tigerfibel 1401974;1455110699;assbot;1 results for 'tigerfibel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tigerfibel 1401975;1455110728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21130 @ 0.00057758 = 12.2043 BTC [+] {3} 1401976;1455110736;asciilifeform;;;google tigerfibel 1401977;1455110736;gribble;Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: ; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Die "Tiger Fibel": 1401978;1455110756;asciilifeform;^ re: tank, megaclassic 1401979;1455110760;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/eb0cphL.webm 1401980;1455110761;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3ofs0 ) 1401981;1455110789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6070 @ 0.00057819 = 3.5096 BTC [+] 1401982;1455110890;adlai;BingoBoingo: passive-aggressive fat shaming 1401983;1455110913;BingoBoingo;adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are. 1401984;1455110967;BingoBoingo;Apparently Colorado Technical is Butterbeast Community College IRL https://media.licdn.com/media-proxy/ext?w=480&h=360&f=&hash=SVXh%2Fx2nSIwBC9J9NkbXHL67CMg%3D&ora=1%2CaFBCTXdkRmpGL2lvQUFBPQ%2CxAVta9Er0Vj73QIOyxEmrq2OoACm7QgQc4XjLVrnIVf9j8rYISO8L5aaJfa__h1B 1401985;1455110968;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdb3W ) 1401986;1455111029;mircea_popescu;http://www.alanhamby.com/Tigerfibel/supplements.jpg << lol KWI, best doorstop tank 1401987;1455111031;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFdhIF ) 1401988;1455111072;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 1401989;1455111072;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1401990;1455111155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00057825 = 64.5327 BTC [+] {4} 1401991;1455111342;mircea_popescu;selbst moralisten und moral sind unmoralisch manches mal! 1401992;1455111345;mircea_popescu;such a gem this thing 1401993;1455111439;asciilifeform;i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread 1401994;1455111447;mircea_popescu;multiple. still a fucking gem. 1401995;1455111458;asciilifeform;aha!! 1401996;1455111481;asciilifeform;best manual for a product in history, srsly 1401997;1455111490;mircea_popescu;could well be, yeah. was just contemplating that. 1401998;1455111514;mircea_popescu;fucking EXACT opposite of contemporary anglo retardation, incidentally. 1401999;1455111521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15336 @ 0.00057102 = 8.7572 BTC [-] {2} 1402000;1455111521;asciilifeform;aha 1402001;1455111544;asciilifeform;much this 1402002;1455111582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.0005695 = 30.6961 BTC [-] 1402003;1455111699;mircea_popescu;fucking thing had virtually no suspensions, manual inertial starter, fucking wooden seats if memory serves... 1402004;1455111713;mircea_popescu;no living wage fucktard loved his honda civic like this tank was loved. 1402005;1455111737;mircea_popescu;you wanna complain about being stguck in traffic, how about being stuck in fucking rasputitza. 1402006;1455111747;asciilifeform;34 was loved, idk re tiger 1402007;1455111793;*;adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved 1402008;1455111794;assbot;Lebanon (2009 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3qjjL ) 1402009;1455111898;asciilifeform;adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch. 1402010;1455111908;adlai;aha! yes! 1402011;1455111924;adlai;significantly less traumatic. 1402012;1455111961;mircea_popescu;did the t34 even have seats ?\ 1402013;1455111972;asciilifeform;did 1402014;1455111976;mircea_popescu;iirc they just suspended the crewman on anal hooks 1402015;1455111996;asciilifeform;nah thats american cars 1402016;1455112004;mircea_popescu;lol 1402017;1455112091;BingoBoingo; nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook. 1402018;1455112093;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEel8zOyTgc << indicated soundtrack for said fibel. 1402019;1455112094;assbot;Mit Bomben und Granaten Marsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFfiVo ) 1402020;1455112985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49079 @ 0.0005695 = 27.9505 BTC [-] 1402021;1455113289;mircea_popescu;lol frau elvira gab. tiger. 1402022;1455113442;mircea_popescu;"OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written 1402023;1455113443;mircea_popescu;instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of 1402024;1455113443;mircea_popescu;information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals 1402025;1455113443;mircea_popescu;running round with an internal monologue which if dragged first from 1402026;1455113443;mircea_popescu;mentalese to Cantonese and thus to English might be rendered as "I'm an 1402027;1455113443;mircea_popescu;S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.) 1402028;1455113445;mircea_popescu;They pass the outputs of their rule-following to designated, possibly 1402029;1455113447;mircea_popescu;conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES 1402030;1455113451;mircea_popescu;encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight. 1402031;1455113453;mircea_popescu;And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot 1402032;1455113455;mircea_popescu;after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand 1402033;1455113457;mircea_popescu;not only block cipher design but the content of the encrypted message :-) 1402034;1455113459;mircea_popescu;Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z" 1402035;1455113461;mircea_popescu;ahaha such a gem #2. 1402036;1455113463;mircea_popescu;i proclaim this the morning of gems! 1402037;1455113550;mircea_popescu;1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "I would hope that anyone reading Schneier's article would recognize that it is seriously flawed in many ways." 1402038;1455113550;mircea_popescu;1998-10-27 Kery Minola: "You are really grasping at straws...." 1402039;1455113550;mircea_popescu;1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense." 1402040;1455113550;mircea_popescu;1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities." 1402041;1455113552;mircea_popescu;1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?" 1402042;1455113555;mircea_popescu;1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages." 1402043;1455113572;mircea_popescu;basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever. 1402044;1455113616;mircea_popescu;1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol. 1402045;1455113653;mircea_popescu;!up Sheepola 1402046;1455114073;mircea_popescu;1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today." 1402047;1455114091;mircea_popescu;funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a. 1402048;1455114128;mircea_popescu;#b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it. 1402049;1455114449;mircea_popescu;anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this. 1402050;1455114998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7984 @ 0.00057853 = 4.619 BTC [+] 1402051;1455115543;deedbot-;[Qntra] Clapper: "Internet Of Things" Offers Tempting Surveillance Opportunities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/clapper-internet-of-things-offers-tempting-surveillance-opportunities/ 1402052;1455115852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12907 @ 0.00057119 = 7.3723 BTC [-] 1402053;1455115974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4794 @ 0.0005773 = 2.7676 BTC [+] 1402054;1455116088;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion. 1402055;1455116090;assbot;#Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrkkRX ) 1402056;1455116157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.0005773 = 21.7065 BTC [+] 1402057;1455117499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17797 @ 0.00057066 = 10.156 BTC [-] {3} 1402058;1455119069;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402047 << recall the 'eternity' service 1402059;1455119069;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a. 1402060;1455119076;asciilifeform;and related experiments, in the old days 1402061;1455119090;mircea_popescu;aha 1402062;1455119105;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402049 << so far no answer from blaze 1402063;1455119105;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 14:27:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this. 1402064;1455119138;*;mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech. 1402065;1455119160;mircea_popescu;oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA 1402066;1455119162;mircea_popescu;glhf. 1402067;1455119502;asciilifeform;what tech? rsa ? 1402068;1455119704;mod6;mornin' 1402069;1455119724;mod6; successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 << cool! beat up on it, let me know if you find any probs. 1402070;1455119795;shinohai;Because if I am useful for nothing else around here it is breaking things. 1402071;1455119804;mod6;break it! 1402072;1455119895;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402054 << what part of this ? 1402073;1455119895;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 14:54:48; mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion. 1402074;1455119940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.0005773 = 20.7539 BTC [+] 1402075;1455120162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang. 1402076;1455120187;mircea_popescu;let's be explicit here lol. 1402077;1455120193;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang. 1402078;1455120203;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> what part of this ? << all of it. 1402079;1455120245;mircea_popescu;and omfg cherries here are good. 1402080;1455120277;mircea_popescu;Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it. 1402081;1455120282;mircea_popescu;"no legitimacy in democracy". 1402082;1455120336;asciilifeform;eh they just have a different pope 1402083;1455120348;asciilifeform;naturally no other pope is welcome 1402084;1455120366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00057842 = 20.3315 BTC [+] {3} 1402085;1455120431;mircea_popescu;besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law. 1402086;1455120435;mircea_popescu;and interpretation is included in there. 1402087;1455120554;asciilifeform;they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc. 1402088;1455120557;asciilifeform;snore. 1402089;1455120585;mircea_popescu;so ? 1402090;1455120591;mircea_popescu;this is like saying rms also doesn't wash. 1402091;1455120594;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i care if he does. 1402092;1455120619;asciilifeform;well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged' 1402093;1455120632;mircea_popescu;i had no intention of fucking him anyway. unless he were to hire my as his hygienist, which is not something i do anyway, it;s really not my concern. 1402094;1455120648;mircea_popescu;what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point. 1402095;1455120656;mircea_popescu;kalash fires as well if triggered pulled by monkey as by man. 1402096;1455120671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.0005786 = 27.0206 BTC [+] 1402097;1455120685;asciilifeform;sure does. 1402098;1455120697;asciilifeform;what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash. 1402099;1455120705;mircea_popescu;well, they did make the point. 1402100;1455120814;asciilifeform;speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter 1402101;1455120840;asciilifeform;all in terms of 'tragedy', 'oh noez, city folks are getting bottles of clean water when showing id, but illegal mexicans have no id, what sad' 1402102;1455120851;asciilifeform;no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners 1402103;1455120860;mircea_popescu;which one is this one ? 1402104;1455120863;asciilifeform;(who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house) 1402105;1455120869;asciilifeform;flint, mi. 1402106;1455120871;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1402107;1455120871;asciilifeform;usa. 1402108;1455120890;mod6;any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ? 1402109;1455120910;asciilifeform;mod6: nfi. what even is this 1402110;1455120921;asciilifeform;i thought we had 313337 perl scriptz or somesuch, for test 1402111;1455120953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ? 1402112;1455120962;mod6;well, i built some automated tests in cucumber/perl for V. but i'm saying for bitcoind itself. 1402113;1455120989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't only lead, but various bacteria, obvious stink, every possible 'don't even wash your hands with this, much less drink' indicator imaginable 1402114;1455120990;mod6;and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful. 1402115;1455120997;mircea_popescu;ah 1402116;1455121002;asciilifeform;so what i was thinking is, 1402117;1455121012;mircea_popescu;mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ? 1402118;1455121022;asciilifeform;usg and local microusglets have no intention of collecting any less tax as infrastructure vanishes 1402119;1455121023;mircea_popescu;or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ? 1402120;1455121027;mod6;i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time. 1402121;1455121049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e. 1402122;1455121052;asciilifeform;aha 1402123;1455121079;asciilifeform;whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered 1402124;1455121099;mod6;mircea_popescu: https://github.com/google/googletest 1402125;1455121100;assbot;GitHub - google/googletest: Google Test ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgg51s ) 1402126;1455121111;asciilifeform;the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this. 1402127;1455121141;asciilifeform;they are degenerating literally to the level of inca palace economy 1402128;1455121149;asciilifeform;show up at city hall, get drinkable water. if not, not. 1402129;1455121165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc. 1402130;1455121171;mod6;anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful. 1402131;1455121172;mircea_popescu;they all flow in the same manner. 1402132;1455121172;asciilifeform;aha 1402133;1455121211;mircea_popescu;mod6 i will confes i am prejudiced against it just for having google in its name. 1402134;1455121216;asciilifeform;^ 1402135;1455121219;mircea_popescu;which is probably the contrary result to what they intended. 1402136;1455121233;mod6;ok. 1402137;1455121245;mircea_popescu;so basically it's a c++ test framework. 1402138;1455121247;mircea_popescu;could be useful. 1402139;1455121248;mod6;what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't 1402140;1455121264;mircea_popescu;mod6 understand, i'm not going to necessarily act on my prejudices. just being upfront. 1402141;1455121269;mod6;sure. 1402142;1455121294;mod6;anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later. 1402143;1455121298;mircea_popescu;In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library. 1402144;1455121308;mircea_popescu;so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite. 1402145;1455121330;mircea_popescu;"Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below): 1402146;1455121330;mircea_popescu;GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler" 1402147;1455121333;mircea_popescu;i dun see a problem there. 1402148;1455121361;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you have any idea re this thing ? 1402149;1455121369;asciilifeform;why is this needed, again ? 1402150;1455121375;mod6;we were just discussing it re eulora. 1402151;1455121412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tests are the best thing there is. 1402152;1455121419;mod6;i wasn't too clued on C++ testing frameworks. but mockito is pretty helpful with stuff, so something similar in C++ space would be nice. 1402153;1455121420;mircea_popescu;tests are actually better than code. 1402154;1455121462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno. not-making-bugs is the best thing there is. 1402155;1455121471;asciilifeform;with corrections 2nd best 1402156;1455121475;mircea_popescu;thats a thing that isn't. 1402157;1455121476;asciilifeform;testing - 100th place. 1402158;1455121477;asciilifeform;aha. 1402159;1455121478;mircea_popescu;let's not mix categories. 1402160;1455121490;mod6;so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made. 1402161;1455121506;mircea_popescu;mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound. 1402162;1455121553;mod6;ok, thanks to you both. sorry for the diversion here, we can discuss in the future. 1402163;1455121568;asciilifeform;one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~ 1402164;1455121578;asciilifeform;and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system 1402165;1455121588;asciilifeform;rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component 1402166;1455121588;mircea_popescu;quite, yes. 1402167;1455121599;asciilifeform;and moreover, it cannot be tested meaningfully except in live fire 1402168;1455121615;mircea_popescu;you can not know what can be tested meaningfully until after you have done so. 1402169;1455121636;asciilifeform;i've experimented with tcp replay for testing 1402170;1455121641;asciilifeform;this might be a productive approach for trb 1402171;1455121659;mircea_popescu;the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans. 1402172;1455121660;asciilifeform;(you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet) 1402173;1455121742;punkman;some smaller test libs perhaps https://github.com/evolutional/utest https://github.com/mity/cutest 1402174;1455121743;assbot;GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi6eb ) 1402175;1455121744;assbot;GitHub - mity/cutest: Simple (single header) C/C++ unit testing facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi8mj ) 1402176;1455121763;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that. 1402177;1455121773;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp 1402178;1455121780;mircea_popescu;ah k 1402179;1455121786;mircea_popescu;i thought you suggested it maybe. 1402180;1455121854;mod6;diana_coman had one in mind that was super lightweight, looked ok for doing assertions. 1402181;1455121873;mod6;just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it. 1402182;1455121938;mod6;i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first. 1402183;1455121952;mircea_popescu;it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term. 1402184;1455121983;mircea_popescu;having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful. 1402185;1455122015;diana_coman;fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol 1402186;1455122020;diana_coman;need to look into it more 1402187;1455122024;mircea_popescu;i suspect the llvm crew. 1402188;1455122029;mircea_popescu;prolly grew out of their buffers thing. 1402189;1455122034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing. 1402190;1455122041;asciilifeform;nor what failures to test for. 1402191;1455122052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too. 1402192;1455122067;mod6;the adventure must begin somewhere :] 1402193;1455122112;asciilifeform;incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated 1402194;1455122132;asciilifeform;on an isolated lan, place trb nodes, and break all known blocks into tx, 1402195;1455122138;asciilifeform;then let them get re-mined 1402196;1455122173;mircea_popescu;ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move. 1402197;1455122223;mircea_popescu;this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence. 1402198;1455122250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is actually not something that can be done anymore i fear. mining criteria changed ~3 times 1402199;1455122272;asciilifeform;phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there 1402200;1455122295;mircea_popescu;"A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes." 1402201;1455122295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more 1402202;1455122296;mircea_popescu;bejesus. 1402203;1455122331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined. 1402204;1455122341;mircea_popescu;the thread narrowed. 1402205;1455122384;asciilifeform;how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ? 1402206;1455122390;asciilifeform;which are known to have been mined in reality 1402207;1455122475;mircea_popescu;der, s-high, there's a list. 1402208;1455122490;mircea_popescu;the fact that they were mined in the past is no guarantee they would be mined today 1402209;1455122689;asciilifeform;now this is true 1402210;1455122710;asciilifeform;but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed. 1402211;1455122727;mircea_popescu;sure. but tests are tests. 1402212;1455122872;mircea_popescu;in lighter news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0virzKZzY1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402213;1455122873;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20VHUO9 ) 1402214;1455123098;mircea_popescu;"It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist." 1402215;1455123111;mircea_popescu;fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist. 1402216;1455123117;mircea_popescu;what fucking problem ? 1402217;1455123155;mircea_popescu;MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally. 1402218;1455123201;mircea_popescu;and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate" 1402219;1455123236;mircea_popescu;i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists". 1402220;1455123261;asciilifeform;already started, no ? 1402221;1455123267;asciilifeform;(per yesterday's log) 1402222;1455123275;mircea_popescu;"Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG. 1402223;1455123292;mircea_popescu;small public key = you lose. small block = you lose. quickly computable = you lose. 1402224;1455123302;mircea_popescu;get with the motherfucking program, bunch of snake oil salesmen. 1402225;1455123313;asciilifeform;plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough 1402226;1455123315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite yes 1402227;1455123355;mircea_popescu;neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes. 1402228;1455123370;mircea_popescu;what color lipstick you put on that pig - vanitas vanitatum. 1402229;1455123387;asciilifeform;deindustrialize. 1402230;1455123397;mircea_popescu;industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots. 1402231;1455123410;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's what i meant. 1402232;1455123477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67144 @ 0.0005707 = 38.3191 BTC [-] {3} 1402233;1455123489;mircea_popescu;exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring. 1402234;1455123561;mircea_popescu;re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet. 1402235;1455123589;asciilifeform;actually mega-nonsecret, it sorta does work 1402236;1455123595;asciilifeform;i have it right here at rupture farms 1402237;1455123600;asciilifeform;not ~UNIVERSAL~, and provably 1402238;1455123608;asciilifeform;but for 'certain values of works' - worx. 1402239;1455123670;mircea_popescu;well kinda what i mean by doesn't work : "works for some values of work" 1402240;1455123678;mircea_popescu;if i meant does not work at all i would make no mention whatever. 1402241;1455123891;asciilifeform;it is provably not doable for arbitrary turing tape. 1402242;1455123959;asciilifeform;back to earlier's thread, i am willing to pascal's wager on shor's algo SO LONG AS it costs me nothing. 1402243;1455123964;asciilifeform;possibly unlike mircea_popescu 1402244;1455123965;mircea_popescu;even going under that : afaik not yet usable in crypto 1402245;1455124000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future. 1402246;1455124067;asciilifeform;what does using multiple SANELY INDEPENDENT cipherators cost mircea_popescu ? 1402247;1455124102;mircea_popescu;alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them. 1402248;1455124106;asciilifeform;srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it 1402249;1455124118;mircea_popescu;works for pussy, also. 1402250;1455124143;mircea_popescu;the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept. 1402251;1455124146;asciilifeform;incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is, 1402252;1455124157;asciilifeform;have multiple branches of possible inner cipher at every level 1402253;1455124165;asciilifeform;enemy does not know which follows. 1402254;1455124193;mircea_popescu;yes. always large block to small ; always few to many options. 1402255;1455124197;mircea_popescu;branch it out like a tree. 1402256;1455124208;asciilifeform;aha! 1402257;1455124210;mircea_popescu;(this reduces to what the idiots do with their s boxes incidentally) 1402258;1455124215;mircea_popescu;if a very ugly degenerate form. 1402259;1455124228;asciilifeform;this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application. 1402260;1455124233;mircea_popescu;aha 1402261;1455124238;asciilifeform;eliminate things enemy may rely on. 1402262;1455124294;mircea_popescu;so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant". 1402263;1455124331;mircea_popescu;check out how complicated things get. 1402264;1455124419;asciilifeform;aha! 1402265;1455124431;asciilifeform;i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here ! 1402266;1455124435;asciilifeform;*dirigible 1402267;1455124462;asciilifeform;see wat happens when earth bloke hangs out with martians long enough. 1402268;1455124616;mircea_popescu;lol 1402269;1455124941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00057286 = 22.3415 BTC [+] 1402270;1455126092;mircea_popescu;in other dirigible news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/ef5d53d5243383f25be482de122f3ffd/tumblr_nrg247qho71uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1402271;1455126094;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1msMFiC ) 1402272;1455127869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00057646 = 41.6492 BTC [+] {2} 1402273;1455128738;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron improving 1402274;1455128739;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1402275;1455129943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212006 @ 0.00057137 = 121.1339 BTC [-] {5} 1402276;1455130370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80816 @ 0.00056964 = 46.036 BTC [-] {4} 1402277;1455130492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00056964 = 8.8864 BTC [-] 1402278;1455130979;mircea_popescu;and in random lulz, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-10/want-your-own-version-of-bitcoin-hire-this-guy 1402279;1455130980;assbot;Want Your Own Version of Bitcoin? Hire This Guy - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeCNp9 ) 1402280;1455130985;mircea_popescu;apparently it's "one of about 20" nao. 1402281;1455131106;mircea_popescu;whereas in "tardstalk produces mp-wannabe #5476576985" news, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358960 1402282;1455131108;assbot;Reddit Censors Bitcoin 2.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeD23w ) 1402283;1455131192;asciilifeform;is his name Sed ? 1402284;1455131205;asciilifeform;'hire this guy' 1402285;1455131215;mircea_popescu;sed the hirethisguy. 1402286;1455131359;asciilifeform;3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit? 1402287;1455131361;asciilifeform;not bad 1402288;1455131427;mircea_popescu;fiat money tho, not terribly useful. 1402289;1455131467;asciilifeform;just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street 1402290;1455131478;asciilifeform;useful enough. 1402291;1455131492;asciilifeform;it won't buy a dirigible, no 1402292;1455131503;BingoBoingo;from mp 2.0 link http://aeonisuniverse.tumblr.com/post/80638840931/rachael-chapter-1 1402293;1455131505;assbot;Alpha Aeonis — Rachael - Chapter 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeDA9r ) 1402294;1455131599;asciilifeform;'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange 1402295;1455131605;asciilifeform; rate is zero across currencies and issue Bitcoin 2.0 based on incoming bitcoin and signatures made by participating addresses. This means the issuance honors mining until the end of bitcoin and can be more than total bitcoin present. I suspect 1 BTC 2.0 will have the spending power of 1 USD current by issuance. My pedigree.' 1402296;1455131610;asciilifeform;^ gold 1402297;1455131787;mircea_popescu;pretty good yea 1402298;1455131797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/GLOSSARY.HTM#MultipleEncryption << re multi-cipher 1402299;1455131802;assbot;Ritter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9fzCq ) 1402300;1455131805;asciilifeform;scroll to 'deceptive article' 1402301;1455131836;mircea_popescu;"Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions." 1402302;1455131844;mircea_popescu;exactly what we were saying above re s boxes 1402303;1455131848;asciilifeform;aha. 1402304;1455131865;asciilifeform;but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing 1402305;1455131896;asciilifeform;ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/crypto/publications/MauMas93a.pdf << found it. 1402306;1455131913;mircea_popescu;i dunno that that particular item informs anything. 1402307;1455131930;mircea_popescu;i for instance had never read it / wouldn't care to now. 1402308;1455131930;asciilifeform;psychiatric, not mathematical. 1402309;1455131937;asciilifeform;strictly for entomologists ! 1402310;1455131940;mircea_popescu;yeah but dunno. 1402311;1455132364;asciilifeform;the paper is pretty tame, actually 1402312;1455132371;asciilifeform;not sure why he picked it up as disinfo 1402313;1455132403;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1402314;1455132405;asciilifeform;arrives at howlingly obvious conclusion. 1402315;1455132569;asciilifeform;(incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition) 1402316;1455132611;asciilifeform;^ in this case, enemy actually must break both ciphers ~independently~ 1402317;1455132622;asciilifeform;he cannot use knownplaintextisms created by one, to help in the other 1402318;1455132680;mircea_popescu;there are some schemes which, if the result is split, lose strength 1402319;1455132687;asciilifeform;not by xor 1402320;1455132691;asciilifeform;again the motherfucking xor lemma 1402321;1455132693;asciilifeform;so hard to grasp ? 1402322;1455132706;mircea_popescu;haha 1402323;1455132708;asciilifeform;if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext... 1402324;1455132715;asciilifeform;and you can use shamir's split algo for n>2 1402325;1455132721;asciilifeform;if you want >2 pieces. 1402326;1455132737;mircea_popescu;i misread the split. 1402327;1455132744;asciilifeform;ah 1402328;1455132752;asciilifeform;what this gambit ~does~ cost, is weight 1402329;1455132758;asciilifeform;you get 2x the ciphertext bitz. 1402330;1455132772;mircea_popescu;look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages. 1402331;1455132774;asciilifeform;plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators. 1402332;1455132779;mircea_popescu;if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing 1402333;1455132793;mircea_popescu;similarly with the key. so large key can't be sent over the wire. bwahahahaha mkay. 1402334;1455132827;mircea_popescu;(for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!) 1402335;1455132833;mircea_popescu;just like with chicks and their phone numbers. 1402336;1455132960;asciilifeform;this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy 1402337;1455132967;mircea_popescu;not at all. 1402338;1455132979;mircea_popescu;merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for. 1402339;1455133001;asciilifeform;ah this - yes 1402340;1455133005;mircea_popescu;getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design 1402341;1455133018;asciilifeform;even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min. 1402342;1455133042;mircea_popescu;quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown) 1402343;1455133057;mircea_popescu;but kbytes, puhleaze./ 1402344;1455133091;mircea_popescu;so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user. 1402345;1455133115;asciilifeform;one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force. 1402346;1455133120;asciilifeform;pretty much for free. 1402347;1455133298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 48900 @ 0.00039598 = 19.3634 BTC [+] 1402348;1455133507;asciilifeform;incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma. 1402349;1455133518;asciilifeform;and in the process, grasp it fully... 1402350;1455133537;mircea_popescu;eh there is no grasping fully. 1402351;1455133585;asciilifeform;how's that 1402352;1455133684;mircea_popescu;just like that, of the crooked timber and all that. 1402353;1455133835;asciilifeform;for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got. 1402354;1455133931;mircea_popescu;yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry. 1402355;1455133965;asciilifeform;xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto 1402356;1455133976;asciilifeform;and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same. 1402357;1455133984;mircea_popescu;that's actually true huh 1402358;1455133987;asciilifeform;aha. 1402359;1455134066;*;mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto 1402360;1455134196;jurov;not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise) 1402361;1455134250;asciilifeform;phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon. 1402362;1455134260;asciilifeform;during ww2 in fact. 1402363;1455134464;mircea_popescu;jurov doesn't have to be invented in crypto to be fundamental for crypto 1402364;1455134638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language 1402365;1455134639;asciilifeform;is NP-complete then P = NP' 1402366;1455134640;asciilifeform;? 1402367;1455134666;mircea_popescu;mno ? 1402368;1455134701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207792 @ 0.00057335 = 119.1375 BTC [+] {5} 1402369;1455134702;mircea_popescu;did i say that somewhere ? 1402370;1455134705;asciilifeform;berman's theorem 1402371;1455134709;mircea_popescu;nono 1402372;1455134768;mircea_popescu;!s real first order 1402373;1455134769;assbot;1 results for 'real first order' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=real+first+order 1402374;1455134777;mircea_popescu;there. 1402375;1455134832;asciilifeform;expand on this ? 1402376;1455134963;mircea_popescu;http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747717188800038 << as per. 1402377;1455134964;assbot;The complexity of linear problems in fields ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIPQBh ) 1402378;1455135004;mircea_popescu;basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem. 1402379;1455135067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 351600 @ 0.00058022 = 204.0054 BTC [+] {5} 1402380;1455135123;asciilifeform;'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l 1402381;1455135137;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1402382;1455135158;mircea_popescu;anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up). 1402383;1455135185;mircea_popescu;did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc. 1402384;1455135188;asciilifeform;found it 1402385;1455135202;asciilifeform;mega-backbreaker 1402386;1455135253;mircea_popescu;(unlike peano, presburger is actually decidable. but it has no multiplication. 1402387;1455135255;asciilifeform;i wil eat six airplanes before i go through this proof. 1402388;1455135297;mircea_popescu;however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential. 1402389;1455135318;mircea_popescu;as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field 1402390;1455135324;mircea_popescu;just like it - ALSO disappeared with virtually no trace. 1402391;1455135356;mircea_popescu;the why and wherefore be left for students from the future. 1402392;1455135370;asciilifeform;ww2 killed it. 1402393;1455135373;asciilifeform;approximately. 1402394;1455135379;mircea_popescu;this is 60s-70s and a little 80s. 1402395;1455135401;asciilifeform;ah, i was thinking of Schönfinkel et al 1402396;1455135413;mircea_popescu;no different bloom, this. 1402397;1455135465;mircea_popescu;actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974. 1402398;1455135466;asciilifeform;if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook. 1402399;1455135466;mircea_popescu;http://www.lcs.mit.edu/publications/pubs/ps/MIT-LCS-TM-043.ps 1402400;1455135572;asciilifeform;but yes, it is all now buried beneath many layers of sediment. 1402401;1455135598;asciilifeform;we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei 1402402;1455135604;mircea_popescu;i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np. 1402403;1455135616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57208 @ 0.00057703 = 33.0107 BTC [-] 1402404;1455135630;mircea_popescu;but yes, expect all such items to be buried in well - curated burial pits. 1402405;1455135633;mircea_popescu;for the obvious reasons. 1402406;1455135677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286459 @ 0.0005665 = 162.279 BTC [-] {7} 1402407;1455135738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166891 @ 0.00056339 = 94.0247 BTC [-] {3} 1402408;1455135763;asciilifeform;(most elementarily - tricks involving time travel) 1402409;1455136117;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1402410;1455136119;asciilifeform;or everett's solution ! 1402411;1455136127;asciilifeform;(by some accounts - he USED it! ) 1402412;1455136156;mircea_popescu;lmao 1402413;1455136170;asciilifeform;l0l mircea_popescu knows what it was. 1402414;1455136189;asciilifeform;or hm, was it his daughter who did. 1402415;1455136225;asciilifeform;(for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution) 1402416;1455136235;mircea_popescu;i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf. 1402417;1455136256;mircea_popescu;"multiverses" and all that. 1402418;1455136268;asciilifeform;in a way, we all use everett's device every day. 1402419;1455136292;mircea_popescu;in the same way, we also go to bed with the empress-consort of china every night. 1402420;1455136306;asciilifeform;the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here. 1402421;1455136326;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea "i don't care" 1402422;1455136327;assbot;69 results for 'from:mircea "i don't care"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+%22i+don%27t+care%22 1402423;1455136332;mircea_popescu;69 begs to differ. 1402424;1455136397;mircea_popescu;http://www.philipp.ruemmer.org/princess.shtml << perhaps interesting re presburger 1402425;1455136398;assbot;Princess ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs17Q3 ) 1402426;1455136449;asciilifeform;spiffy, now if only it weren't javatronic 1402427;1455136471;mircea_popescu;source provided. 1402428;1455136483;asciilifeform;yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform. 1402429;1455136500;mircea_popescu;iirc, eu was spending some decent money on a derivative to evaluate safety of embedded systems 1402430;1455136511;asciilifeform;the mega-champ is acl2. 1402431;1455136512;asciilifeform;!s acl2 1402432;1455136512;assbot;3 results for 'acl2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=acl2 1402433;1455136529;*;asciilifeform has the b00k, and the worked-examples one 1402434;1455136550;asciilifeform;used at, e.g., amd, to prove the correctness of their alu. 1402435;1455136556;asciilifeform;(after the intel debacle) 1402436;1455136561;mircea_popescu;http://www.cesarproject.eu/ there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude." 1402437;1455136562;assbot;Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1udB ) 1402438;1455136605;asciilifeform;cute. the same folks as did the block cipher contest 1402439;1455136610;asciilifeform;(how did that end?) 1402440;1455136615;mircea_popescu;mmm. 1402441;1455136635;mircea_popescu;"a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess. 1402442;1455136662;asciilifeform;mno? 1402443;1455136663;asciilifeform;https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar.html 1402444;1455136665;assbot;Crypto competitions:CAESAR: Competition for Authenticated Encryption: Security, Applicability, and Robustness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs1LNv ) 1402445;1455136676;asciilifeform;e.g., https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar-submissions.html 1402446;1455136676;assbot;Crypto competitions:CAESAR submissions ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQIJ7l ) 1402447;1455136704;mircea_popescu;M18, 2015.09.2829: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore. 1402448;1455136705;mircea_popescu;TBA: Deadline for Verilog/VHDL. 1402449;1455136705;mircea_popescu;TBA: Announcement of third-round candidates. 1402450;1455136706;mircea_popescu;mmkay ? 1402451;1455136738;asciilifeform;not over yet? 1402452;1455136739;mircea_popescu;i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet" 1402453;1455136741;mircea_popescu;right. 1402454;1455136796;asciilifeform;https://competitions.cr.yp.to/disasters.html << lulzy 1402455;1455136797;assbot;Crypto competitions:Disasters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7fBR ) 1402456;1455136808;mircea_popescu;getting back to the yurpean news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9ceab92925686acf64f20918a67aa6d8/tumblr_npr78ccRwA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402457;1455136809;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7gpv ) 1402458;1455136971;mircea_popescu;There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated. 1402459;1455136973;mircea_popescu;loller. 1402460;1455137042;asciilifeform;!up Conflict 1402461;1455137055;shinohai;https://medium.com/@ItsJoshProbably/why-8chan-will-not-be-getting-infinity-next-d8116d162c7#.16hdhdhnv 1402462;1455137056;assbot;Why 8chan will not be getting Infinity Next. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Td7CMQ ) 1402463;1455137142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames 1402464;1455137162;mircea_popescu;aha. 1402465;1455137169;mircea_popescu;it's lulzy how shitthy these are. 1402466;1455137201;mircea_popescu;i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink. 1402467;1455137202;asciilifeform;the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills 1402468;1455137229;mircea_popescu;"hashing - works ; reproducibility - not yet. BUT IT IS UNBREAKABLE!" 1402469;1455137233;asciilifeform;l0l! 1402470;1455137241;asciilifeform;spreadingworks! 1402471;1455137343;mircea_popescu;copypaste ^ 1402472;1455137365;mircea_popescu;ah by now two days old. i guess stale huh. 1402473;1455137385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057166 = 17.7215 BTC [+] {2} 1402474;1455137410;mircea_popescu;chanz dramas. 1402475;1455137444;asciilifeform;the other mega-nonsecret, 1402476;1455137446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00057424 = 2.7276 BTC [+] 1402477;1455137454;asciilifeform;usg ~really~ wants non-clonable, non-spoofable cheap rfid 1402478;1455137457;asciilifeform;to spread everywhere 1402479;1455137479;mircea_popescu;gotta track 'em goats. 1402480;1455137480;asciilifeform;'smart dust' etc. 1402481;1455137489;asciilifeform;track every used napkin. 1402482;1455137490;mircea_popescu;but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem. 1402483;1455137501;copypaste;mircea_popescu: yes already stale 1402484;1455137516;mircea_popescu;anything good in there ? 1402485;1455137652;asciilifeform;phun phakt, many (most?) auto tyres already infested with (ordinary) rfid 1402486;1455137664;asciilifeform;plain old serial # transponder. 1402487;1455137747;mircea_popescu;that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean" 1402488;1455137763;mircea_popescu;costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be. 1402489;1455137823;shinohai;copypaste: was very much a tl;dr 1402490;1455137855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely 1402491;1455137860;asciilifeform;elementary. 1402492;1455137865;mircea_popescu;!up PierreDe 1402493;1455137876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one. 1402494;1455137907;asciilifeform;will - once you inject new one 1402495;1455137916;asciilifeform;hence why they want micro-authenticator. 1402496;1455137933;asciilifeform;right now you can trivially make replacement chip with arbitrary # 1402497;1455137944;mircea_popescu;i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre. 1402498;1455137968;asciilifeform;also the things cost about a dime now 1402499;1455137973;asciilifeform;which means only a handful per tyre 1402500;1455137981;asciilifeform;if they were smaller... 1402501;1455138354;mircea_popescu;"I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today." 1402502;1455138360;mircea_popescu;ajhaha what the fuck is wrong with these retards. 1402503;1455138376;mircea_popescu;"emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money. 1402504;1455138405;asciilifeform;is open source ? wut? 1402505;1455138419;mircea_popescu;i dunno that i'd eat salami made out of kids today. 1402506;1455138419;asciilifeform;where do i read the vote fudge algo ? 1402507;1455138509;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago. 1402508;1455138545;asciilifeform;and there wasn't, in '93 ? 1402509;1455138556;mircea_popescu;reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of cracked.com retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on. 1402510;1455138575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no dude. 20yo in '93 was fucking afraid of getting a beatdown. 1402511;1455138605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5393 @ 0.00057148 = 3.082 BTC [-] {2} 1402512;1455138611;mircea_popescu;these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute. 1402513;1455138622;asciilifeform;eternal september looks much the same now as then 1402514;1455138647;asciilifeform;what really changed is the lack of reference. 1402515;1455138655;mircea_popescu;to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella. 1402516;1455138662;asciilifeform;in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality. 1402517;1455138667;mircea_popescu;aha. 1402518;1455138676;asciilifeform;whereas today 'vc billionaire' 1402519;1455138679;mircea_popescu;but this is important! these shitheads are ENTIRELY self referential now. 1402520;1455138699;asciilifeform;aha. 1402521;1455138702;asciilifeform;arse-mouth. 1402522;1455138723;asciilifeform;best restaurant is a hose!111 1402523;1455138739;mircea_popescu;i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place. 1402524;1455138767;mircea_popescu;go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live. 1402525;1455138825;mircea_popescu;i had no idea genocide could be so intellectually appealing. 1402526;1455138932;mircea_popescu;but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel". 1402527;1455138949;asciilifeform;i thought they felt 'hey, free shit' 1402528;1455138971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11833 @ 0.00056705 = 6.7099 BTC [-] {2} 1402529;1455138981;mircea_popescu;mno. 1402530;1455138994;mircea_popescu;i think it's a lot more like "look, befouled real estate" 1402531;1455139012;mircea_popescu;"copper sulphate and planks with nails, clean this shit out" 1402532;1455139077;asciilifeform;the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic. 1402533;1455139085;asciilifeform;left alone, they could not make even a goat. 1402534;1455139111;mircea_popescu;the cleaners are how you even have the word algorithm. 1402535;1455139121;asciilifeform;ahaha l0l no. 1402536;1455139128;asciilifeform;no more than modern egypt built the pyramids. 1402537;1455139140;mircea_popescu;well i guess this point shall be verified in practice huh. 1402538;1455139156;mircea_popescu;there's no stopping the cleansing, i dun think. 1402539;1455139175;asciilifeform;limonov understood in '92 1402540;1455139191;asciilifeform;the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~ 1402541;1455139245;asciilifeform;even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited 1402542;1455139291;asciilifeform;and germany was an only slightly better-looking horse at that glue factory, even. 1402543;1455139378;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ? 1402544;1455139382;asciilifeform;wishful thinking ? 1402545;1455139825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278116 @ 0.00057474 = 159.8444 BTC [+] {6} 1402546;1455140030;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CapAL87WIAA6k9M.jpg:large << cargocult othernews 1402547;1455140031;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20McD3q ) 1402548;1455140300;mircea_popescu;no idea. 1402549;1455140344;mircea_popescu;but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole". 1402550;1455140365;mircea_popescu;so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition. 1402551;1455140390;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron wassat ? 1402552;1455140647;danielpbarron;idk i found it on twatter 1402553;1455140670;mircea_popescu;looks like some sort of "happening" or w/e. 1402554;1455140923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74587 @ 0.00055972 = 41.7478 BTC [-] {4} 1402555;1455141473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74450 @ 0.00056044 = 41.7248 BTC [+] {3} 1402556;1455142448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128289 @ 0.00055761 = 71.5352 BTC [-] {5} 1402557;1455142875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00055441 = 11.1436 BTC [-] 1402558;1455143234;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b20 1402559;1455143668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103518 @ 0.00056368 = 58.351 BTC [+] {4} 1402560;1455143851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00057174 = 13.883 BTC [+] 1402561;1455144705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00057159 = 13.4895 BTC [-] {2} 1402562;1455144949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16952 @ 0.0005716 = 9.6898 BTC [+] 1402563;1455145925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00057586 = 43.6502 BTC [+] 1402564;1455146169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16216 @ 0.00057586 = 9.3381 BTC [+] 1402565;1455146230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38620 @ 0.00057771 = 22.3112 BTC [+] 1402566;1455146434;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b19 1402567;1455146435;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b21 1402568;1455147664;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/us0sd#selection-1883.0-1885.0 << hearnia lolz. 1402569;1455147665;assbot;What Roger Ver thinks about Theymos? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGmQHo ) 1402570;1455147938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00057332 = 22.3021 BTC [-] {2} 1402571;1455148084;shinohai;keks 1402572;1455148131;shinohai;What's Roger Ver doing on bitcointalk anyway since he built his own forum to be a beacon of free speech? 1402573;1455148178;mircea_popescu;nobody cared and he's a drama queen ? 1402574;1455148203;*;mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. 1402575;1455148273;mircea_popescu;in trotally not related news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c17818ea6e6cd57d36f47b8f84b0acff/tumblr_nwmlm4UySD1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402576;1455148274;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGo1qf ) 1402577;1455148365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58750 @ 0.00057606 = 33.8435 BTC [+] 1402578;1455148670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11175 @ 0.0005696 = 6.3653 BTC [-] {2} 1402579;1455148731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286608 @ 0.00055835 = 160.0276 BTC [-] {5} 1402580;1455151293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00055211 = 45.1074 BTC [-] 1402581;1455152172;mircea_popescu;and in more of the same, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-bitcoins-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms 1402582;1455152173;assbot;Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWL5QZ ) 1402583;1455152319;mircea_popescu;but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D 1402584;1455152366;gernika;mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead. 1402585;1455152549;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20 1402586;1455152769;mircea_popescu;and in other muslim news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5f6qtZHfh1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402587;1455152770;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4yjqo ) 1402588;1455152774;mircea_popescu;cheers gernika 1402589;1455154022;mod6;thanks gernika! 1402590;1455154068;gernika;yw mod6 :) 1402591;1455154591;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Escrow.ms Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcointalk-default-trust-member-escrow-ms-arrested-for-debit-card-fraud/ 1402592;1455154648;kakobrekla;lolk 1402593;1455154653;mircea_popescu;kik 1402594;1455154734;punkman;the neverending *chan drama eh 1402595;1455154757;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then 1402596;1455154815;mircea_popescu;, 1402597;1455154825;mircea_popescu;lol. ridoinculous. 1402598;1455154841;punkman;mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch? 1402599;1455154842;mircea_popescu;the "captains of industry" days. 1402600;1455154860;mircea_popescu;punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did. 1402601;1455154884;mircea_popescu;why, you know someone ? 1402602;1455154911;punkman;was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch 1402603;1455154951;mircea_popescu;nope. 1402604;1455155104;BingoBoingo;Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch. 1402605;1455155217;punkman;https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/2ch_Chronicle 1402606;1455155217;assbot;2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrtxPa ) 1402607;1455155222;punkman;also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch 1402608;1455155274;punkman;"To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover." 1402609;1455155639;punkman;http://8ch.net/newspaper/res/3.html#255 1402610;1455155642;assbot;/newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrulDD ) 1402611;1455155746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129944 @ 0.00055274 = 71.8252 BTC [+] {2} 1402612;1455155863;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/456ej8/agents_of_thermos_default_trust_member_escrowms/ 1402613;1455155864;assbot;Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 ) 1402614;1455156170;mircea_popescu;punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills. 1402615;1455156179;mircea_popescu;it's always a godfather sort of deal. 1402616;1455156360;BingoBoingo;I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done. 1402617;1455156379;mircea_popescu;for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar. 1402618;1455156416;punkman;mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no? 1402619;1455156420;mircea_popescu;no. 1402620;1455156420;BingoBoingo;I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time 1402621;1455156603;punkman;!up copy 1402622;1455156776;mod6;;;halfreward 1402623;1455156777;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds. 1402624;1455156844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75056 @ 0.00055199 = 41.4302 BTC [-] {4} 1402625;1455156884;BingoBoingo;Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council https://archive.is/XXyKh 1402626;1455156885;assbot;BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWTqUH ) 1402627;1455156930;mircea_popescu;by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594 1402628;1455156930;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you. 1402629;1455157159;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/10/sociological-catalogue-entry-chumpatronico-cancunica/ 1402630;1455157458;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/gchq-malware-boing-boing-16-0202.pdf << l0ltr0n1c 1402631;1455157462;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUoQP ) 1402632;1455157490;asciilifeform;also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111 1402633;1455157515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00055199 = 34.5822 BTC [-] {2} 1402634;1455157519;BingoBoingo;In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/urban-farmers-working-vacant-kinloch-property-get-surprise-when-land/article_a69bbb45-2cc1-542d-b7c0-51e6205c8e2c.html 1402635;1455157520;assbot;Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUt75 ) 1402636;1455157843;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself. 1402637;1455157844;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1402638;1455158178;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402608 << l0l! the 'montrex' gambit! 1402639;1455158178;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover." 1402640;1455158208;asciilifeform;(who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' ) 1402641;1455158440;BingoBoingo;That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk 1402642;1455158951;punkman;heh 1402643;1455158981;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Uf1uN8haI 1402644;1455158982;assbot;the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdEBRb ) 1402645;1455159151;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/TUZ3hZ7.jpg <<< must have this shirt 1402646;1455159151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdENzP ) 1402647;1455159955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107518 @ 0.00055222 = 59.3736 BTC [+] {2} 1402648;1455160016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00055694 = 7.0074 BTC [+] 1402649;1455160382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138865 @ 0.00055147 = 76.5799 BTC [-] {4} 1402650;1455160443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53585 @ 0.00055121 = 29.5366 BTC [-] 1402651;1455161279;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete. 1402652;1455161279;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1402653;1455161311;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.52.41 << here we go. 1402654;1455161313;assbot;CiteSeerX — Sokoban is PSPACE-complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTJSwy ) 1402655;1455161313;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1402656;1455161707;punkman;sokoban as PoW would be interesting 1402657;1455162090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00055694 = 25.1458 BTC [+] 1402658;1455162313;mircea_popescu;aha! 1402659;1455162395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78177 @ 0.00055065 = 43.0482 BTC [-] {5} 1402660;1455164103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114130 @ 0.00055046 = 62.824 BTC [-] {4} 1402661;1455165262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94843 @ 0.0005578 = 52.9034 BTC [+] {2} 1402662;1455167214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149600 @ 0.00055939 = 83.6847 BTC [+] 1402663;1455167519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40296 @ 0.00055701 = 22.4453 BTC [-] {2} 1402664;1455168474;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401640 << sustained 1402665;1455168474;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, th 1402666;1455168556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00055213 = 9.6071 BTC [-] 1402667;1455168561;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles 1402668;1455168561;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 04:32:44; nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway 1402669;1455168861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00055213 = 36.6338 BTC [-] 1402670;1455169105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53742 @ 0.00055213 = 29.6726 BTC [-] 1402671;1455169442;danielpbarron;!up ggggg 1402672;1455169569;ggggg;TQ 1402673;1455169579;danielpbarron;yw, who are you? 1402674;1455169607;ggggg;just a lurkr crypto guy 1402675;1455169621;danielpbarron;lots of those around these days 1402676;1455170325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005531 = 2.5465 BTC [+] 1402677;1455170569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83751 @ 0.00055342 = 46.3495 BTC [+] 1402678;1455170872;ggggg;did not know about https://bitbet.us 1402679;1455170873;assbot;BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LixajI ) 1402680;1455170874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29549 @ 0.00055342 = 16.353 BTC [+] 1402681;1455170907;danielpbarron;ah, so not lurking for very long then 1402682;1455170952;ggggg;lol ... I am more alt less btc 1402683;1455170959;danielpbarron;which alts? 1402684;1455170985;punkman;eth at 0.012 btc 1402685;1455170991;ggggg;all of them ... fan of UNO 1402686;1455171023;ggggg;$eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware 1402687;1455171038;danielpbarron;why UNO? 1402688;1455171064;ggggg;merge mined with btc network, low inflation 1402689;1455171078;punkman;ggggg: eth's still vaporware 1402690;1455171102;ggggg;true, but there is $ backing it 1402691;1455171107;punkman;is UNO the unobtainium one? 1402692;1455171113;*;danielpbarron assumed so 1402693;1455171125;ggggg;the unobtainium one ;) 1402694;1455171149;punkman;what was it, 12 coins max? 1402695;1455171196;ggggg;about 200k coins right now ... max 250k will take 300 odd years to mine the last 5th 1402696;1455171224;punkman;but can I buy a loongson with it? 1402697;1455171257;ggggg;you can buy anything you want, just as long as it is under $100 1402698;1455171264;ggggg;liquidity is low 1402699;1455171277;mats;rofl 1402700;1455171286;punkman;http://unobtanium.uno/ they even have a TLD 1402701;1455171287;assbot;Unobtanium - UNO | The original rare cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcXwJe ) 1402702;1455171304;mats;10/10 jokes ggggg 1402703;1455171641;*;ben_vulpes was halfway hoping for a different kind of crypto animal 1402704;1455171660;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread? 1402705;1455171660;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 03:35:07; punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting 1402706;1455172002;punkman;ben_vulpes: remind me 1402707;1455172155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72303 @ 0.00055939 = 40.4456 BTC [+] 1402708;1455172289;danielpbarron;i rememer that one, and it related to mining needing to take up enormous physical space in order to scale 1402709;1455172643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79848 @ 0.00056324 = 44.9736 BTC [+] {2} 1402710;1455172742;ben_vulpes;punkman: i wish i remembered more, or could effectively dig up the thread 1402711;1455172747;ben_vulpes;paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual 1402712;1455172828;ben_vulpes;things i recall: 1402713;1455172854;ben_vulpes;- nothing 1402714;1455173812;punkman;in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a). 1402715;1455174229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137050 @ 0.00055714 = 76.356 BTC [-] {4} 1402716;1455175022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169800 @ 0.00055565 = 94.3494 BTC [-] {4} 1402717;1455175876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134600 @ 0.00056156 = 75.586 BTC [+] {4} 1402718;1455178255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174650 @ 0.00056064 = 97.9158 BTC [-] {5} 1402719;1455178499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00055775 = 55.4961 BTC [-] 1402720;1455178804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00056456 = 16.7674 BTC [+] {2} 1402721;1455179048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92864 @ 0.00055591 = 51.624 BTC [-] {3} 1402722;1455179719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102001 @ 0.00055402 = 56.5106 BTC [-] {3} 1402723;1455180390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00055436 = 10.6398 BTC [+] 1402724;1455180634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95852 @ 0.00056283 = 53.9484 BTC [+] {2} 1402725;1455181122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50795 @ 0.00055894 = 28.3914 BTC [-] {2} 1402726;1455181488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00056457 = 16.3725 BTC [+] 1402727;1455182464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65384 @ 0.0005621 = 36.7523 BTC [-] {3} 1402728;1455184904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.0005534 = 32.1525 BTC [-] {2} 1402729;1455186544;deedbot-;[Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/ 1402730;1455188261;deedbot-;[Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ 1402731;1455188869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00055515 = 16.4324 BTC [+] {2} 1402732;1455188869;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b92 1402733;1455189540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76881 @ 0.000556 = 42.7458 BTC [+] 1402734;1455189906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.0005593 = 45.6948 BTC [+] {2} 1402735;1455190882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77108 @ 0.0005564 = 42.9029 BTC [-] {3} 1402736;1455191533;BingoBoingo;Tensor, Tensor! https://archive.is/UzkqW 1402737;1455191534;assbot;Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikisource, the free online library ... ( http://bit.ly/23YGvZB ) 1402738;1455192521;BingoBoingo;!up smooth 1402739;1455192834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 449700 @ 0.00055181 = 248.149 BTC [-] {8} 1402740;1455194015;BingoBoingo;!up SuchWow 1402741;1455194021;punkman;"Categories: Commodities to End Climate Change, Data Seance, Smart Garbage, Monetizing Children, Artisanal Ad Networks, The Sharing Economy, Fetal Leaning In, Disrupting Solid Foods, Open Source Debtors Prison, 3D Printed Drugs, Deepest Learning, Compostable Neural Networks, Cybersecurity, Ayn Rand, Edible Electronics, Virtual Reality (For Babies)" 1402742;1455194059;BingoBoingo;Where is this? 1402743;1455194145;punkman;the stupid hackathon 1402744;1455194149;punkman;http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg 1402745;1455194151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd ) 1402746;1455194201;BingoBoingo;aha 1402747;1455194237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00055513 = 9.9368 BTC [+] {2} 1402748;1455194470;punkman;http://dumbwill.com/cults/ 1402749;1455194471;assbot;C.U.L.T.S ... ( http://bit.ly/1TemCdi ) 1402750;1455195701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00055535 = 19.826 BTC [+] {2} 1402751;1455195721;BingoBoingo;punkman: That is just beautiful 1402752;1455196312;punkman;http://www.ptt-museum.dk/en/online_magazine/previous_articles/broadcasting/?id=74 1402753;1455196315;assbot;Radio - Post & Tele Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4Cx6b ) 1402754;1455196494;punkman;http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338 1402755;1455196494;assbot;The chips are down for Moore’s law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4COGd ) 1402756;1455196678;BingoBoingo;!up da2ce7 1402757;1455196708;da2ce7;hello 1402758;1455196709;da2ce7;:) 1402759;1455196854;BingoBoingo;hello 1402760;1455197104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127800 @ 0.0005593 = 71.4785 BTC [+] {2} 1402761;1455197226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055931 = 28.5807 BTC [+] 1402762;1455197697;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402711 << recall, mircea_popescu came up with a spiffier one since then 1402763;1455197697;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 06:39:07; ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual 1402764;1455197745;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402714 << turing-complete vtron or bust 1402765;1455197745;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 06:56:52; punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a). 1402766;1455197784;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << gendarmerie! 1402767;1455197784;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ 1402768;1455197825;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1402769;1455197842;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402729 << no partizans in usaschwitz. 1402770;1455197842;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 10:29:04; deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/ 1402771;1455198083;BingoBoingo;yet 1402772;1455198117;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402667 << old rusty benz is tmsr infrastructure now ?? 1402773;1455198117;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 05:29:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles 1402774;1455198157;asciilifeform;can my old sapping shovel be also? 1402775;1455198183;asciilifeform;how about lispm. 1402776;1455198242;BingoBoingo;My Remington MB-20 beard trimmer is plainly essential #b-a infrastructure 1402777;1455198285;asciilifeform;if pete_d's benz then it also yes! 1402778;1455198294;asciilifeform;l0l 1402779;1455198299;asciilifeform;bbl. 1402780;1455198330;BingoBoingo;It's seriously pretty sweet though. Uses two AA batteries so not ruined when internal nicd or li-ion battery quits 1402781;1455198812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15839 @ 0.00055931 = 8.8589 BTC [+] 1402782;1455198943;PeterL;would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention? 1402783;1455198994;punkman;asciilifeform: .. << turing-complete vtron or bust << I'll get there eventually. Though, I think the standard unified-diff representation is useful even if patchons consisting of script are available. 1402784;1455199347;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Brokered convention? Could be very interesting. I won't pledge to bet it without seeing the form it takes 1402785;1455199455;danielpbarron;i bet on there being a brokered convention last timme 1402786;1455199605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00055985 = 9.9653 BTC [+] {2} 1402787;1455199788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146047 @ 0.00056373 = 82.3311 BTC [+] {4} 1402788;1455200953;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1402789;1455200961;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2590.0, vol: 20984.45070000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2590.0 1402790;1455200963;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1402791;1455200969;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.11, vol: 7161.37862854 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 384.577, vol: 5665.8749 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.94, vol: 20247.87538418 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.0, vol: 0.35414649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.68, vol: 20987.53210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 381.81986, vol: 1050.75864489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.35658943, vol: 105.63472011 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1402792;1455200970;BingoBoingo;;;more 1402793;1455200970;gribble;385.935598679 1402794;1455201049;punkman;http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ouch-soundcloud-losses-show-a-broken-business-model-in-desperate-need-of-a-fix/ 1402795;1455201050;assbot;Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 ) 1402796;1455201090;punkman;all that money and they can't put a fucking volume slider on their audio player 1402797;1455201167;BingoBoingo;lol 1402798;1455201408;punkman;https://www.soundcloudcommunity.com/soundcloud/topics/volume-control-nuocgr2e2nh0r?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all 1402799;1455201412;assbot;Volume control | SoundCloud Community Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pCB2 ) 1402800;1455201713;kakobrekla;volume control? that wouldnt look cool. 1402801;1455202004;punkman;they have volume control on soundcloud.com, but there's this radio show I listen to, they started embedding soundcloud recently and there's no volume control on it. and of course there is no way to find the embedded tracks on their soundcloud profile. 1402802;1455202045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126550 @ 0.00056141 = 71.0464 BTC [-] {2} 1402803;1455202158;punkman;I bet they have 3 teams of "usability" experts. 1402804;1455202289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170150 @ 0.00055782 = 94.9131 BTC [-] {4} 1402805;1455202355;punkman;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Lanai-Architecture 1402806;1455202356;assbot;LLVM Patches Confirm Google Has Its Own In-House Processor - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9r7PU ) 1402807;1455202495;BingoBoingo;punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story. 1402808;1455202716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171000 @ 0.00055552 = 94.9939 BTC [-] {5} 1402809;1455202832;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402686 << it is vaporware lol. weren't they going to release something "right next week" for the past... i dunno, 6months ? 1402810;1455202832;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 06:10:23; ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware 1402811;1455202843;mircea_popescu;buterin is by now indistinguishable from that kate/craig imbecile of http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ fame. 1402812;1455202844;assbot;The stuple. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9rYjv ) 1402813;1455203056;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402704 << aha. mike_c was ahead of his time! 1402814;1455203056;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 06:21:00; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread? 1402815;1455203126;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << lol ferguson is not newsworthy anymore in the pravda, they moved the circus to flint now. this is so fucking soviet, they had a truck going around the country bringing "news" 1402816;1455203126;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/ 1402817;1455203154;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1402818;1455203219;mircea_popescu;http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg << this is actually a perfectly valid point. if you're going to publicly associate with people via facebook, you're exposing yourself and your fambly to usg & friends rapine in various manners, such as the one described. 1402819;1455203220;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd ) 1402820;1455203221;mircea_popescu;this is a fact. 1402821;1455203268;mircea_popescu;for prophet lol. nb. 1402822;1455203293;mircea_popescu;"The startups move to our private compound for 3 months, during which time we work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to potential new members." <<< i hope they apply the bivolaru tradition 1402823;1455203299;mircea_popescu;"pls send noodies to evaluate your auras" 1402824;1455203984;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402754 << fucking nature. what happened to "as indicated by MP in January 2015, Moore's law..." 1402825;1455203984;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 13:14:54; punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338 1402826;1455204012;mircea_popescu;journalism by the bums for the bums ffs. 1402827;1455204060;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402782 << yeah actually. 1402828;1455204060;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 13:55:43; PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention? 1402829;1455204120;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402795 << what fucking fix ? "giving away free beer will result in the largest party on campus. it will also be a sausage fest that no one cool would even consider." 1402830;1455204120;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 14:30:50; assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 ) 1402831;1455204150;mircea_popescu;exactly what the fuck is going to be "fixed" in this necessary situation ? time to face the music : a large number of people is NOT a business value. it is a business cost. 1402832;1455204186;mircea_popescu;NOT having many users is as valuable as NOT having a fucktarded US-like VC on your board, or NOT having a fatass woman with a history of USG employment in "human services" roles in your staff. 1402833;1455204208;mircea_popescu;keep all these three heads of doom away, it is plain impossible to not make money. 1402834;1455204301;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402807 << you know, it occurs to me that publishing mockful rebuttals of exactly this sort of thing IS in fact newsworthy. 1402835;1455204301;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 14:54:55; BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story. 1402836;1455204323;mircea_popescu;gadfly the fucktard ointment, by taking their stories and taking them apart, adding details they don't wish circulated, stuff like that. 1402837;1455204370;mircea_popescu;perfectly legitimate and certainly useful behaviour - not least of all because automated systems as well as most people will select X out of a set of A=B=C=D, X = A+i. 1402838;1455204414;mircea_popescu;and because they're all bound by the same ideology, it is trivial to produce the i they can never print ; whereas because they are all subject ot the same pressure, it is nigh on impossible for dA vs dB to be anywhere as large as i. 1402839;1455204560;BingoBoingo;I might get something on that out later today. 1402840;1455204570;mircea_popescu;yeah was jus' sayin' in general. 1402841;1455204599;BingoBoingo;This one's waiting while I watch Oregon to see if this morning brings news 1402842;1455204714;mircea_popescu;i would guess they'll hurry up to pack it up before ben_vulpes' nude amazon charge shows up 1402843;1455204745;BingoBoingo;lol 1402844;1455204956;mircea_popescu;but in further oregon news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/232cfbc63c345f52cccd200f4a189d91/tumblr_nwbqdilQau1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402845;1455204957;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6JAXt ) 1402846;1455205400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175000 @ 0.00055715 = 97.5013 BTC [+] {4} 1402847;1455205827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 237200 @ 0.00055974 = 132.7703 BTC [+] {4} 1402848;1455206194;asciilifeform;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Clang-The-Kernel-2016 << l0l, the destallmanization gnomes never sleep 1402849;1455206195;assbot;The Project To Compile The Linux Kernel With LLVM Clang Is Still Alive - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6NUpD ) 1402850;1455206260;mircea_popescu;in ~principle~ the fact i can't compile the kernel with any random compiler i wrote myself is an argument that linux = windows, ftr. 1402851;1455206320;asciilifeform;in the same way that me slipping on the pavement is = to being run over by a bus, yes. 1402852;1455206367;mircea_popescu;it's deeper than that, imo. the point here is that bitcoin is not making any attempt to limit ownership of its tokens by say, usg agents. 1402853;1455206377;asciilifeform;interestingly, somebody did build linux kernel with quinniec's 'tinycc', would be interesting to learn how. 1402854;1455206377;mircea_popescu;original linux as a subversive device had the same property. 1402855;1455206390;mircea_popescu;by the time it has to be defended cby this sort of principle backtracking... there's nothing there to defend. 1402856;1455206424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is not too clear on the concept of bottles with no outside, is he 1402857;1455206433;mircea_popescu;go on ? 1402858;1455206445;asciilifeform;where do i go from linux ? 1402859;1455206455;asciilifeform;dirigible os? write it for me. 1402860;1455206457;mircea_popescu;keep the old versions. 1402861;1455206478;asciilifeform;and he laughs at my stockpile of old hardware, even 1402862;1455206483;asciilifeform;old versions run on guess what. 1402863;1455206484;mircea_popescu;i do not! 1402864;1455206504;asciilifeform;then you see it. 1402865;1455206506;mircea_popescu;!up ahmedbodi 1402866;1455206510;mircea_popescu;of course i fucking see it. 1402867;1455206516;mircea_popescu;!s from:mircea thinkpad 1402868;1455206517;assbot;7 results for 'from:mircea thinkpad' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+thinkpad 1402869;1455206523;asciilifeform;ah!! 1402870;1455206527;asciilifeform;i was just buying thinkpads! 1402871;1455206534;asciilifeform;so far ~failing~ to obtain a working x60-series 1402872;1455206541;asciilifeform;on 2nd attempt now. 1402873;1455206547;punkman;wrong screen? 1402874;1455206570;asciilifeform;punkman: nah, they just tend to be in abysmal physical shape 1402875;1455206574;asciilifeform;they literally fall apart 1402876;1455206579;asciilifeform;it isn't 2008 any more 1402877;1455206586;asciilifeform;and the chassis was not made of shitanium 1402878;1455206597;mircea_popescu;the one i bought is solid as a rock and i have a pile of spare batteries for it too. 1402879;1455206608;asciilifeform;they ~look~ solid aha 1402880;1455206611;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, stockpiles. 1402881;1455206612;asciilifeform;but go and buy now. 1402882;1455206625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just yesterday it faceplanted from bed to the floor. no damage. 1402883;1455206639;asciilifeform;i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times. 1402884;1455206645;asciilifeform;notably it still ~runs~. 1402885;1455206657;asciilifeform;just won't latch, and the parts waltz when you pick it up. 1402886;1455206766;asciilifeform;i will also point out that stockpiles only go so far. 1402887;1455206771;asciilifeform;you can't trb-develop on the x60. 1402888;1455206974;asciilifeform;in other mostly non-news, 1402889;1455206994;asciilifeform;https://boingboing.net/2016/02/02/doxxing-sherlock-3.html << since nobody but me read the original pdf turd, here's the circus version 1402890;1455206995;assbot;Exclusive: Snowden intelligence docs reveal UK spooks' malware checklist / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjM5y ) 1402891;1455207014;asciilifeform;(lulziest hangout to date) 1402892;1455207085;mircea_popescu;in other "things that don't work but faux japanese men drinking bottled beer like to pretend anyway", http://40.media.tumblr.com/28bf92be1f3e4bf544e5c504dbcf0602/tumblr_nwbq2sc4K91qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1402893;1455207086;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjVpL ) 1402894;1455207136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: srsly the old thinkpad's sata-1 does not cut it 1402895;1455207171;mircea_popescu;i mostly use it to watch movies, and i have a strict "700mb format only" policy so... works ok for me! 1402896;1455207181;asciilifeform;but i am still collecting x60s, and if mircea_popescu has extras i will buy ! 1402897;1455207230;*;asciilifeform imagines 'indiana jones' warehouse 1402898;1455207268;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever say ~which~ thinkpads you liked 1402899;1455207284;mircea_popescu;lol don't get carried away 1402900;1455207301;mircea_popescu;and i didn't even look at multiple, just picked one. lemme see what it is. 1402901;1455207352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88540 @ 0.00055986 = 49.57 BTC [+] 1402902;1455207369;mircea_popescu;"type 2373" 1402903;1455207380;mircea_popescu;made 2003 1402904;1455207391;asciilifeform;holy shit my original 1402905;1455207398;asciilifeform;door-smasher 1402906;1455207405;mircea_popescu;it's pretty tough yes 1402907;1455207432;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/Vtd5k << yep this exactly 1402908;1455207433;assbot;ThinkPad T40 2373 Specs - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6SHHz ) 1402909;1455207439;asciilifeform;and yeah there is no question of running trb on this. 1402910;1455207456;asciilifeform;even if you fit a flash disk 1402911;1455207469;asciilifeform;prolly still has the 8G limit, too 1402912;1455207475;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1402913;1455207488;mircea_popescu;but in terms of worx... it WORKS. i can do anything i do on it. 1402914;1455207493;asciilifeform;about same specs as my 'libretto.' 1402915;1455207494;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is a testament of how little i do. 1402916;1455207569;asciilifeform;try build 'rotor' on it, for shits&gigglez, see how many days it takes. 1402917;1455207587;asciilifeform;(will it even sit down on the max disk in that thing) 1402918;1455207620;mircea_popescu;i would bet you it would take less than a day, but i don't want to delete all this porn etc. 1402919;1455207654;asciilifeform;l0l 1402920;1455207798;*;asciilifeform reads 'game of life pow' in the logz, and pictures prisoners of war being sent to clear mine fields laid in g.o.l. patterns 1402921;1455207836;mircea_popescu;lol 1402922;1455207843;mircea_popescu;random factor! 1402923;1455207866;asciilifeform;aha! 1402924;1455208267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00056342 = 2.3157 BTC [+] 1402925;1455208328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00055337 = 14.5536 BTC [-] 1402926;1455208755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113016 @ 0.00055263 = 62.456 BTC [-] {4} 1402927;1455209222;mircea_popescu;in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. 1402928;1455209225;mircea_popescu;THIS IS LOGICAL 1402929;1455209752;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402927 << 'double, double, toil and trouble' (tm) (r) 1402930;1455209752;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 16:47:02; mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. 1402931;1455209842;asciilifeform;complain to ieee. 1402932;1455209902;asciilifeform;see also http://floating-point-gui.de . 1402933;1455209902;assbot;The Floating-Point Guide - What Every Programmer Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPB6Ol ) 1402934;1455210280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432100 @ 0.00054894 = 237.197 BTC [-] {9} 1402935;1455210437;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 1402936;1455210441;asciilifeform;anybody ever play with http://prosecco.gforge.inria.fr/personal/bblanche/proverif ? 1402937;1455210441;assbot;ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPC5ya ) 1402938;1455210476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes dude but it's a fucking nightmare maintaining inherited 100k+ loc stacks. 1402939;1455210488;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck, this used to work" all the fucking day long 1402940;1455210501;mircea_popescu;"yes, but now you're exposing a hole you weren't before." idem 1402941;1455210515;asciilifeform;http://proverif.rocq.inria.fr/index.php << demotron 1402942;1455210516;assbot;Online demo for ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPCctq ) 1402943;1455210528;asciilifeform;^ not recommended or otherwise, nfi how it works yet 1402944;1455210565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think everybody here knows what 100kline shitstack feels like, on own skin 1402945;1455211172;punkman;mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. << works here 1402946;1455211683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00055102 = 36.6979 BTC [+] {3} 1402947;1455212049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00054736 = 65.2453 BTC [-] {4} 1402948;1455212293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00054706 = 22.0739 BTC [-] {3} 1402949;1455212411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either 1402950;1455212545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up. 1402951;1455213395;*;BingoBoingo had his turn being tricked by and article title "how to subdue a duck for easy transportation" was about catching ducks to move them, not convert them into a conveyance 1402952;1455213576;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402949 << wai wut?! 1402953;1455213576;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 17:40:11; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either 1402954;1455213586;asciilifeform;with what does mircea_popescu ~think~ it is built ?? 1402955;1455213617;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402950 << spiffy. i got no answer from blaze, thus far 1402956;1455213617;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up. 1402957;1455213925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform test this. 1402958;1455213947;mircea_popescu;i think it is built out of duct tape and spit, and the process is not reproducible outside of sheer luck. 1402959;1455214140;asciilifeform;rotor. 1402960;1455214141;asciilifeform;qed. 1402961;1455214149;mircea_popescu;wasn't that busybox ? 1402962;1455214157;asciilifeform;turn on normal userland. 1402963;1455214169;asciilifeform;(in the menuconfig thingie, or by hand.) 1402964;1455214185;mircea_popescu;pff. besides the fucking point. what i am saying is that a) you download source from current linux repo ; b) you built it on random gcc you have installed and c) lol. 1402965;1455214186;asciilifeform;i built a 'rotolinux' that boots from cd, and i think trinque (?) did similar 1402966;1455214199;mircea_popescu;anyway bbl 1402967;1455214201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't gcc5, it builds. 1402968;1455214203;asciilifeform;go, try. 1402969;1455214222;asciilifeform;i did this 1,001 times prolly. 1402970;1455214251;asciilifeform;linux kernel is a fort that stands. for now. 1402971;1455214277;asciilifeform;the battering ram swings, swings into the gate, every day, yes. 1402972;1455214291;trinque;yep, I've got a gentoo-buildinator that works more than once 1402973;1455214295;asciilifeform;^ neato 1402974;1455215588;deedbot-;[Qntra] As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It - http://qntra.net/2016/02/as-classiccoin-client-hits-release-miners-formally-reject-it/ 1402975;1455215660;BingoBoingo;^ Gloatware 1402976;1455216184;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: should there be a link in there somewhere ? 1402977;1455216234;BingoBoingo;If you insist I'll dig up the least obnoxious one 1402978;1455216346;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/TCo6o Inserted at "signed a letter" 1402979;1455216347;assbot;A Call for Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVblOw ) 1402980;1455216413;BingoBoingo;There are no reports on ClassicCoin's move from beta that do not include deviations from reality which would allow linking 1402981;1455216799;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3813 1402982;1455216801;assbot;JL: Bring Us Your Curious, Your Young, Your Weak ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5dRua ) 1402983;1455216807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181800 @ 0.00054678 = 99.4046 BTC [-] {4} 1402984;1455217715;BingoBoingo;It's over https://archive.is/9m2Bk 1402985;1455217718;assbot;Oregon standoff: 4 holdouts all in FBI custody as occupation ends (live updates) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVdDx6 ) 1402986;1455217916;asciilifeform;summed to 0, huh. 1402987;1455217921;asciilifeform;just as i predicted. 1402988;1455217937;asciilifeform;exactly like the other 'occupy'. 1402989;1455218042;BingoBoingo;Depends on how the inevitable next one plays out 1402990;1455218088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270341 @ 0.00054667 = 147.7873 BTC [-] {6} 1402991;1455218101;asciilifeform;next one will need to feature a new set of farmers 1402992;1455218111;asciilifeform;the old one will not be seen again, i suspect. 1402993;1455218144;mod6;finally figured out, I think, what the weird problem is with vdiff on ubuntu with that unmached quote. 1402994;1455218149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23659 @ 0.0005426 = 12.8374 BTC [-] 1402995;1455218166;asciilifeform;mod6: is this the one with the defective awk ? 1402996;1455218179;BingoBoingo;Microshaft http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2016/02/11/microsoft_garage_releases_experimental_fetch_app_that_identifies_dog_breeds/cats.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg 1402997;1455218180;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVexts ) 1402998;1455218190;mod6;So gentoo uses 'gawk' by default, and ubuntu, uses 'mawk'. So if you install 'gawk' on ubuntu, then change the script so that it calls 'gawk' instead of 'awk', all is well. 1402999;1455218288;mod6;asciilifeform: so yeah, basically. 1403000;1455218370;asciilifeform;i could've sworn we had this thread 1403001;1455218374;asciilifeform;!s mawk 1403002;1455218375;assbot;3 results for 'mawk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mawk 1403003;1455218434;mod6;i think we did too. 1403004;1455218458;mod6;anyway, no worries. 1403005;1455219613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00054665 = 21.702 BTC [+] 1403006;1455219918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00055944 = 46.5454 BTC [+] {2} 1403007;1455220284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00054648 = 44.6747 BTC [-] {4} 1403008;1455220911;shinohai;;;ticker --market all 1403009;1455220918;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 374.0, vol: 6318.93996717 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.727, vol: 4460.2787 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.79, vol: 14220.36323502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 1.35900749 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.8603, vol: 20114.24070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.69, vol: 1177.9914599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 374.022001133, vol: 99.90444738 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1403010;1455220974;BingoBoingo;;;more 1403011;1455220975;gribble;Error: That's all, there is no more. 1403012;1455220983;BingoBoingo;;;more shinohai 1403013;1455220984;gribble;381.144674541 1403014;1455221126;shinohai;;;more 1403015;1455221126;gribble;381.144674541 1403016;1455221422;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature. 1403017;1455221423;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1403018;1455221504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56620 @ 0.00055945 = 31.6761 BTC [+] {2} 1403019;1455222358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.0005426 = 27.7269 BTC [-] {2} 1403020;1455222419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00054201 = 70.9491 BTC [-] {2} 1403021;1455223517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106116 @ 0.0005603 = 59.4568 BTC [+] {4} 1403022;1455224801;ben_vulpes;http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/uaz-452-52#currency=USD 1403023;1455224801;assbot;UAZ-452 - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ru0tGK ) 1403024;1455224816;ben_vulpes;PURCHASE A UAZ-452 MINIVAN, THE INDISPENSABLE COMPANION OF YOUR LONG TRIPS TO THE NATURE. 1403025;1455224988;shinohai;That's just begging for you to turn it into The Mystery Machine ben_vulpes 1403026;1455225164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.0005604 = 28.1601 BTC [+] {2} 1403027;1455225736;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: classic sov 'microbus' 1403028;1455225886;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, first-ever detection of gravity wave in real time is being claimed. 1403029;1455225937;asciilifeform;i won't link to the newzcrud because atrocious 1403030;1455226189;mod6;just read about that 1403031;1455226204;BingoBoingo;From what I understand lasers and mirrors 1403032;1455226253;shinohai;Probably just Gavin sitting down on his fat ass. 1403033;1455226302;BingoBoingo;likely 1403034;1455226340;mod6;Kip Thorne said, "It is by far the most powerful explosion humans have ever detected except for the big bang." 1403035;1455226355;asciilifeform;we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. 1403036;1455226704;shinohai;Of course he is with cia paying the bills 1403037;1455226994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142050 @ 0.00055268 = 78.5082 BTC [-] {2} 1403038;1455227009;asciilifeform;i have nfi what he does all day, but i would bet against any of it involving commute, office, or work 1403039;1455227388;BingoBoingo;But he does it at cost of cyanide buttplug 1403040;1455227430;asciilifeform;doubtful 1403041;1455227682;mod6;to be ignored by the future minstrels 1403042;1455227693;asciilifeform;mega-cost, l0l 1403043;1455228014;asciilifeform;i mean yes, in the abstract, the fella deserves to start at nuremberg2 and flayed 1403044;1455228019;asciilifeform;but i don't expect to live to see this. 1403045;1455228025;asciilifeform;*star at 1403046;1455228497;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i lolled. 1403047;1455228603;mircea_popescu; we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. << just as you predicted ? 1403048;1455228648;asciilifeform;!s from:asciilifeform predict gavin 1403049;1455228649;assbot;0 results for 'from:asciilifeform predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+predict+gavin 1403050;1455228657;asciilifeform;!s from:ascii_field predict gavin 1403051;1455228657;assbot;0 results for 'from:ascii_field predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+predict+gavin 1403052;1455228659;asciilifeform;hm 1403053;1455228663;asciilifeform;what did i predict. 1403054;1455228735;ben_vulpes;shinohai: i want the http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/ats-59-artillery-tractor-275 artillery tractor 1403055;1455228736;assbot;ATS-59 artillery tractor - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1KevUmT ) 1403056;1455228754;mircea_popescu;apparently you predicted something or the other about the oregon folks. bout the same strength of prediction as your groundless if insistend belief gavin has it well. which, for the lulz, is exactly homologuous with your prior "prediction"/firm belief that leah goodman was floating in it, which did get debunked publicly but for that reason doesn't need further mention ; or for that matter something about jews 1403057;1455228761;mircea_popescu;whatever family was it, rothschild ? 1403058;1455228762;asciilifeform;ah them, l0l 1403059;1455228789;mircea_popescu;you got this special drawer of a certain kind of kimchi. 1403060;1455228817;asciilifeform;now why groundless. 1403061;1455228824;mircea_popescu;but anyway, you know who else was "set for lyf" ? that objectionable "open source" shithead. 1403062;1455228829;asciilifeform;yes, there is not enough usg kimchi for ~all~ quislings to live work-free in mega-house 1403063;1455228832;asciilifeform;true. 1403064;1455228841;asciilifeform;eric raymond ? 1403065;1455228842;mircea_popescu;what's his name, raymond something. 1403066;1455228846;mircea_popescu;yea 1403067;1455228853;asciilifeform;he was a chump, accepted payola denominated in toiletpaper 1403068;1455228857;asciilifeform;('stock') 1403069;1455228880;mircea_popescu;there's only one kind ever offered. which is why http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ 1403070;1455228881;assbot;Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh ) 1403071;1455228905;asciilifeform;looks as if gavin was smarter, paid in sinecure and rent-free house ? 1403072;1455228923;mircea_popescu;just like any teenaged slut in argentina that i stick my cock into for the time being ? 1403073;1455228928;asciilifeform;similar! 1403074;1455228945;asciilifeform;except most males never get half as good a deal in life 1403075;1455228957;mircea_popescu;in infinitely more interesting news, the fundamental problem of slavery : http://40.media.tumblr.com/6c74441da85e1c5cfe00aedca0e54365/tumblr_np667iedoF1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1403076;1455228958;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewmSd ) 1403077;1455229009;mircea_popescu;to explain : on one hand the slave is put in circumstances (be it clothing, or accoutrements, or whatnot) that make it the focus of attention, necessarily. you can't do most of those things permanently, as a thing. to understand why, imagine you'd make a silo full of puppies. how long before it is a silo full of rotting meat ? 1403078;1455229023;asciilifeform;ugh 1403079;1455229024;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, on the other hand the theoretical structure of the relationship is exactly opposite to this reality. 1403080;1455229031;mircea_popescu;and hence, there's a problem! 1403081;1455229048;asciilifeform;eventually ~everything~ is a silo of meat. 1403082;1455229052;asciilifeform;only question of timescale. 1403083;1455229076;asciilifeform;thermodynamics takes mercy on no one. 1403084;1455229102;mircea_popescu;sure, but that's a consideration on a different timescale. 1403085;1455229137;asciilifeform;how's that 1403086;1455229164;mircea_popescu;what do you mean how. yes all puppies eventually die, but that's not what we're talking about. 1403087;1455229179;mircea_popescu;you have a maximal puppy density that allows the biomass in question to stay puppy-shaped 1403088;1455229402;asciilifeform;hard to argue with this 1403089;1455229408;asciilifeform;but how does it tie to the thread..? 1403090;1455229413;asciilifeform;am i thick? 1403091;1455229452;*;ben_vulpes would appreciate slightly less heavyweight metaphors too 1403092;1455229459;mircea_popescu;well no, it's unrelated. hence the "infinitely more interesting news" 1403093;1455229465;asciilifeform;ah! 1403094;1455229469;asciilifeform;l0l 1403095;1455229476;asciilifeform;and here i was breaking my brain. 1403096;1455229496;mircea_popescu;anyway. maximal density is the killer. yes, obedient slave takes whipping. there's a maximal % of her time she can spend being whipped. 1403097;1455229585;mircea_popescu;"In a rare bid for sanity, the Harford County School District had cancelled all field trips for students into Baltimore, as it is clearly an unsafe environment. The mulattress mayor [the same whore who let the city burn and then requested that 1,000 Somali refugees be settled in Baltimore] was outraged. Phone calls were made, and the school authorities waffled, and will now be sending their children into harm's way, wh 1403098;1455229586;mircea_popescu;ere else, but in Harm City." 1403099;1455229590;mircea_popescu;such hate speech. 1403100;1455229606;asciilifeform;i can only assume that if this 'engine redline' is held for long enough, mircea_popescu will throw the chick back into the wild, or otherwise expel 1403101;1455229628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't believe in externalities. so, no. 1403102;1455229664;mircea_popescu;or mebbe we're not talking about the same thing. hm. 1403103;1455229697;mircea_popescu;the idea is! that the picture there linked is trying to mesh two unmeshable things. notice the dude is all like "business as usual, whatever". whereas in fact, it's nothing but! 1403104;1455229697;asciilifeform;if she requires more whipping than is readily available 1403105;1455229717;mircea_popescu;ah ah. but i was discussing recreational whipping not educational whipping. 1403106;1455229721;asciilifeform;ah! 1403107;1455229866;asciilifeform;i can't even tell, what is she doing 1403108;1455229877;asciilifeform;to what is the brush attached ? 1403109;1455229899;asciilifeform;and why is the dude sitting there idly 1403110;1455229929;mircea_popescu;what dop you mean, attached ? she's holding it 1403111;1455229962;mircea_popescu;but the idea is see, he's hanging out, the mistress sleeping (as if any woman sleeps in garter belt and high heels) and the slave doing doing houseworkl 1403112;1455229967;mircea_popescu;with a fucking wrecking ball attached. 1403113;1455230016;asciilifeform;i immediately thought that this picture was not intended to represent 'typical day in the life' but rather is a boschian thing 1403114;1455230019;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the cramped environment : yes, woman can be made to do either. but it wouldn't be fucking sleep or fucking work. it'd be THIS. and this is not life, this is THIS. 1403115;1455230032;mircea_popescu;it is very mujch a boschian thing, specifically because of this tension. 1403116;1455230041;asciilifeform;aha, that much was clear 1403117;1455230048;mircea_popescu;it has the unmistakable immaturity of virginal youth, unaware that pegs are round, holes are square. 1403118;1455230095;mircea_popescu;you know, people who never kept slavegirls could conceivably dream up this alt-reality where slave girls go like this. 1403119;1455230110;mircea_popescu;i suppose if we must have an aesop, someone who wasn';t ever gavin might imagine things about how being gavin is. 1403120;1455230117;mircea_popescu;but still ... the pegs and the holes. 1403121;1455230126;asciilifeform;it did not even occur to me that anyone would think this. 1403122;1455230140;mircea_popescu;i know plenty of people who think exactly this. 1403123;1455230154;mircea_popescu;~exactly~ this. and very much don't want to think otherwise, either. 1403124;1455230165;asciilifeform;if i show a picture of, e.g., chess players, what , viewer will assume that they play from dawn to dusk until they drop, and while cleaning the house, eating, shitting ? 1403125;1455230177;mircea_popescu;it is possible. 1403126;1455230210;mircea_popescu;if shown a cheesecake picture, they DO in fact imagine that the woman looks like that from dawn to dusk, while shitting, etc. 1403127;1455230216;asciilifeform;i don't even sadomasochate but i always assumed that it was a hobby like any other 1403128;1455230221;mircea_popescu;what shitting! cheesecake chicks don't even fart. 1403129;1455230223;asciilifeform;you do it for some time and then do other thing 1403130;1455230230;mircea_popescu;not quite. 1403131;1455230287;asciilifeform;well sure, there is a certain amount of 'like sledding? like pulling sled too!' 1403132;1455230303;asciilifeform;gotta set up household for the pets, etc? 1403133;1455230356;mircea_popescu;not what i meant. depends on what variant one entertains etc, but there is such a thing where the slave's the slave throughout the day, do what she may. 1403134;1455230433;asciilifeform;aha but still this involves more housework than walking with weights, i'd imagine ? 1403135;1455230470;mircea_popescu;yeah i dunno why you'd be walking with weighs, big calves aren't particularly in demand. 1403136;1455230485;asciilifeform;but i think i see where mircea_popescu is going, this is the old 'thirsty man thinks he can drink the sea' theorem 1403137;1455230560;mircea_popescu;well... i guess. more akin to "boy sees no use for veggies, they're getting in the way of cake" 1403138;1455230594;asciilifeform;more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake 1403139;1455230600;mircea_popescu;quite! 1403140;1455230603;mircea_popescu;that does it. 1403141;1455230629;mircea_popescu;i suspect every youthful generation's conviction the previous people are dumb and generally suck has a lot to do with this. 1403142;1455230631;asciilifeform;and it does not take a heroic amount of introspection to find oneself int his picture 1403143;1455230651;asciilifeform;i, for instance, am fixated on free time and escape from workschwitz 1403144;1455230662;asciilifeform;can't imagine what i might possibly want, if had that 1403145;1455230664;mircea_popescu;that's not bad caker. 1403146;1455230704;asciilifeform;imagine if all the cake you ever got to eat was, say, 20 grams max 1403147;1455230713;asciilifeform;so you know what it tastes like and that's it. 1403148;1455230783;mircea_popescu;aha 1403149;1455230878;*;asciilifeform had not done what most folks think of as 'vacation' since 2011 1403150;1455230891;mircea_popescu;i never did that. 1403151;1455230896;mircea_popescu;vacation fucking sucks. 1403152;1455230957;jurov;when i was a kid i have imagined adults fulfill their desires in some secret magical way, so that they don't eat cake all the time 1403153;1455230962;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu was never a slave, so probably can't even conceptualize it 1403154;1455230998;mircea_popescu;no but seriously... spend some time doing SOMETHING OTHER than what you're doing ? dude, if i thought this is a good idea... i would just stop doing what i;m doing. that day. forever. wtf. 1403155;1455231010;mircea_popescu;jurov not a bad working model for a preteen huh 1403156;1455231011;asciilifeform;aha because mircea_popescu has a choice ! 1403157;1455231045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the monty python "there are two kinds of people" sketch ? 1403158;1455231073;asciilifeform;no but i can easily picture where this goes 1403159;1455231093;asciilifeform;'there are mircea_popescus and there are offal, off to the fermentation vats, offal' 1403160;1455231136;mircea_popescu;they pretend to be wilde, shaw and i dun recall who. 1403161;1455231156;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0 1403162;1455231157;assbot;Writers (Wilde, Shaw) - Monty Python's Flying Circus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlBPJ ) 1403163;1455231184;mircea_popescu;http://www.montypython.net/scripts/oscar.php << check it out, script available! 1403164;1455231185;assbot;Monty Python: The Oscar Wilde Sketch ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlG5Z ) 1403165;1455231206;jurov;everyone has a choice. but choices have consequences, at least for mere mortals. 1403166;1455231220;asciilifeform;^ 1403167;1455231231;BingoBoingo;Sufficient butthurt to fissure the anus https://archive.is/PPOg5 1403168;1455231232;assbot;As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlL9C ) 1403169;1455231239;mircea_popescu;choices have consequences for everyone. the "mere mortals" care about consequences. 1403170;1455231296;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu 'doesn't care' - at all - how come he doesn't, e.g., factor rsa using everett's device ? 1403171;1455231314;asciilifeform;all of the 'stop caring' theory really resolves to it, as i understand 1403172;1455231314;mircea_popescu;because wtf do i care about rsa ? 1403173;1455231329;jurov;for example i'm recently considering to close coinbr, it would simplify my life considerably as it tends to desync from mpex at the worst possible times 1403174;1455231329;asciilifeform;so only because mircea_popescu has no key he urgently needs to break ? 1403175;1455231336;mircea_popescu;i am, and for years have been, destroying the usg through everett's device. 1403176;1455231337;jurov;but -- gotta eat. 1403177;1455231348;jurov;or should i say fuck it? 1403178;1455231360;jurov;dont care? 1403179;1455231364;mircea_popescu;jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387080 1403180;1455231364;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 16:26:09; mircea_popescu: no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like! 1403181;1455231506;asciilifeform;btw there is a version that turing discovered everett's device before everett 1403182;1455231508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00056041 = 10.9 BTC [+] {3} 1403183;1455231509;asciilifeform;and fired it. 1403184;1455231535;jurov;but i can definitely tell myself that hacking trb and eulora client by deep immersion for days would be better life than this. 1403185;1455231591;jurov;maybe someday when i learn to live off air. 1403186;1455231599;asciilifeform;aha teach me also. 1403187;1455231603;mircea_popescu;in other "life sucks" news, i've been trying to buy a red lacquered fine leather ball gag for the past fucking week. this country thinks itself a masterful leather manufacturer, NOBODY has it. 1403188;1455231621;mircea_popescu;everybody has the same cheapo chinese 50cent crap they're trying to sell for 20 bux. 1403189;1455231633;asciilifeform;l0l this is 3rd week now ? 1403190;1455231637;asciilifeform;!s ball gag 1403191;1455231638;assbot;2 results for 'ball gag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ball+gag 1403192;1455231658;mircea_popescu;2nd i guess. 1403193;1455231663;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2016#1393289 aha 1403194;1455231663;assbot;Logged on 01-02-2016 22:03:10; mircea_popescu: in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item. 1403195;1455231707;asciilifeform;jurov: i spend most of every day churning out crud that nobody will ~even read~ 1403196;1455231722;asciilifeform;(most of the time, at any rate) 1403197;1455231730;mircea_popescu;stop slandering the cosmococcic corporation alfie. 1403198;1455231747;jurov;i'm not actually into who-has-it-worse contests 1403199;1455231768;asciilifeform;l0l 1403200;1455231784;asciilifeform;it isn't a ~bad job~ 1403201;1455231795;asciilifeform;could be substantially worse. 1403202;1455231822;asciilifeform;'i thought i had a good job! but that was before i learned, how we'd make 'new and tasty' ! ' 1403203;1455231990;mircea_popescu;to get back to the news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/7e5143d6c21be74b2aef262921920363/tumblr_nw9o4llWfR1qlne6uo1_500.gif 1403204;1455231991;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmnc84 ) 1403205;1455232025;jurov;if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful 1403206;1455232052;mircea_popescu;most of civilisation is built on trusted work by various people. who do you think reads most doctors' reports ? 1403207;1455232080;mircea_popescu;actuaries could sink any firm, and nobody'd notice until after they did it - seen this one play out time and again on ws ever since the gaus copula bs\ 1403208;1455232081;BingoBoingo;The lawyers? 1403209;1455232084;mircea_popescu;and for that matter long before. 1403210;1455232088;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 1 in 1000 if that. 1403211;1455232103;mircea_popescu;most software is never fucking read. 1403212;1455232104;BingoBoingo;Depends where you are how many doctors notes get read by lawyers 1403213;1455232254;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is still thinking like a normal person in some honest non-soviet economy 1403214;1455232262;asciilifeform;where things such as doctors and accountants exist 1403215;1455232273;mircea_popescu;i did say civilisation. 1403216;1455232284;asciilifeform;i'd like to visit civilization. 1403217;1455232285;mircea_popescu;for the record, the us is an example of nothing and a measuring stick for nothing, 1403218;1455232294;mircea_popescu;ghana is more relevant to any discussion than the united states. 1403219;1455232317;asciilifeform;iirc ghana, like many abject shitholes, is 100% usgtronic 1403220;1455232359;mircea_popescu;ghana existed long before the british were invented. 1403221;1455232370;asciilifeform;iroquois also existed 1403222;1455232377;asciilifeform;but modern usa is not them. 1403223;1455232380;asciilifeform;ditto ghana. 1403224;1455232413;mircea_popescu;well technically... the arabs conquered them. 1403225;1455232423;mircea_popescu;but anyway, one of the few and far between actual cultures in africa. 1403226;1455232457;mircea_popescu;(ftr, the camel is not native to africa. was introduced, with an effect similar to the introduction of metalworking in europe) 1403227;1455232478;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu is right, the sheer phantasmagoric disconnect from physical reality in usaschwitz has no analogue anywhere else in known spacetime 1403228;1455232514;mircea_popescu;a dream, no matter how shared, is not a thing, nor could be a thing, and so does not matter to any actual thing. 1403229;1455232523;asciilifeform;interestingly, camel was introduced to the americas in early 19th c 1403230;1455232525;asciilifeform;and even took hold 1403231;1455232531;asciilifeform;but for some reason nobody rides them 1403232;1455232542;asciilifeform;(i am told that there are places where they can be.. hunted) 1403233;1455232594;mircea_popescu;camel needs a lot of training to be ridden 1403234;1455232611;asciilifeform;more than horse ? 1403235;1455232617;mircea_popescu;think bronco busting, and then think camel is roughly 2x the size. 1403236;1455232625;asciilifeform;ah this yes 1403237;1455232627;mircea_popescu;much more than horse. for one thing, horse loves people. 1403238;1455232647;mircea_popescu;camel, like mule, doesn';t really give a shit. 1403239;1455232776;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the third person in the monty python sketch was whistler. "I shall be born when and where I want, and I do not choose to be born in Lowell." whistler. 1403240;1455232873;asciilifeform;l0l! 1403241;1455233339;mircea_popescu;and in further news of pseudopolicial boobality, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvna1qKvT1qjngnjo1_1280.jpg 1403242;1455233340;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmpmoe ) 1403243;1455233874;BingoBoingo;Last American president Jefferson Davis signed of on the import of camels when he was just a Senator 1403244;1455234057;BingoBoingo;"It is virtually impossible to overload a camel. When, in a camel's considered opinion, the load strapped to it is excessive; it simply will not rise. Neither cursing nor beatings will budge an overloaded camel." << http://www.desertusa.com/animals/desert-camel-experiment.html 1403245;1455234058;assbot;Desert Camel in America's southwest deserts - DesertUSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmqwzS ) 1403246;1455234462;gernika;Interesting. Looks like camels originally evolved in North America. 1403247;1455234469;gernika;well, the americas 1403248;1455234497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48607 @ 0.00056042 = 27.2403 BTC [+] 1403249;1455234645;BingoBoingo;Well, prehistoric camels had some role, but creation does not have a block chain so until all bones are dug and cataloged there is an element of mystery here 1403250;1455234702;gernika;I suppose DNA is not a blockchain? Proof of sex? 1403251;1455234725;BingoBoingo;Random noise gets introduced, DNA does error correction poorly 1403252;1455234745;BingoBoingo;I'm just disappointed giant ground sloths did not make it to the present 1403253;1455234781;BingoBoingo;At one point there were the avacado's only natural predator 1403254;1455234889;gernika;Damn Paleo-Indians. 1403255;1455235168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112031 @ 0.00056043 = 62.7855 BTC [+] {2} 1403256;1455235352;BingoBoingo;OMG THEY ARE ARMING THEM https://i.imgur.com/tkbuAZu.gifv 1403257;1455235353;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmsGzL ) 1403258;1455235522;BingoBoingo;;;google naloxegol 1403259;1455235522;gribble;Naloxegol for Opioid-Induced Constipation in Patients with ...: ; Naloxegol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; MOVANTIK™ (naloxegol) | Mu-Opioid Receptor Antagonist: 1403260;1455235536;BingoBoingo;^ The truly weird drugs they market nowadays 1403261;1455235656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105898 @ 0.0005576 = 59.0487 BTC [-] {3} 1403262;1455235900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126013 @ 0.00056169 = 70.7802 BTC [+] {4} 1403263;1455236144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102555 @ 0.00055502 = 56.9201 BTC [-] {4} 1403264;1455236876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00055483 = 57.3417 BTC [-] {2} 1403265;1455237280;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, are those NAVY seals ? 1403266;1455237355;mircea_popescu;in other news, ritter sayz http://dpaste.com/0Y74S4S 1403267;1455237356;assbot;dpaste: 0Y74S4S ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZ8dyc ) 1403268;1455237466;mircea_popescu;the fellow is quite intelligent - his point about nature not being deceptive is especially cogent. 1403269;1455237608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287600 @ 0.00055824 = 160.5498 BTC [+] {6} 1403270;1455237941;shinohai;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=36639732#User:Gmaxwell LOL 1403271;1455237944;assbot;Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJjsLO ) 1403272;1455237985;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'otp failed' part is idiocy 1403273;1455238001;asciilifeform;if someone plants a mine under your car, 'cars have failed' ? 1403274;1455238031;shinohai;thanx r/buttcoin, never saw that before 1403275;1455238042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends what you trust cars to do. 1403276;1455238049;mircea_popescu;yes, jeeps have failed the afghanistan campaign 1403277;1455238056;asciilifeform;to not jump up 200 metres suddenly ? 1403278;1455238066;mircea_popescu;right ? 1403279;1455238120;asciilifeform;but this is still idiocy, because otp is the ~definitional~ strong cipher. it is provably ludicrous to ask for a cipher in any sense whatsoever stronger than otp. 1403280;1455238143;asciilifeform;it is like asking for a quantity smaller than 0. 1403281;1455238167;asciilifeform;or a rational root of 2. 1403282;1455238251;asciilifeform;'Natural law can be complex and confusing, but not deliberately deceptive, so it is not surprising that techniques refined for understanding nature do not well address the cryptographic contest.' << this point is originally due to j. randi 1403283;1455238282;asciilifeform;where he discussed the utter inability of, e.g., physicists, to properly confront professional flimflam artists 1403284;1455238354;asciilifeform;'The Rosenbergs were traitors who damaged worldwide security and got what they deserved' << mega-l0l 1403285;1455238511;asciilifeform;'One example of the larger problem is that virtually all modern ciphering occurs on a general purpose computer. Our overall model of computation, upon which correctness in ciphering rests, does not include malware. ... [lengthy discussion of irrelevant crud assuming reader uses winbl0wz snipped]' 1403286;1455238637;asciilifeform;'If we accept the need for "hardware" encryption, we can talk about somehow originating a "pristine hardware system" to run it. But that also means maintaining a pristine (largely static) development system to build it.This, in a web environment designed to cause dynamic change and incidentally transport malware. That seems unlikely, but even if that worked, it means ending up with a cipher system which never allows algorith 1403287;1455238637;asciilifeform;mic change, which only then becomes a secure basis for ciphering. We see none of that. None' << >> 'heavier than air flight requires an engine that is like our steam plant but weighs no more than 100kg. this cannot exist' 1403288;1455238696;asciilifeform;'But where has all this been exposed as "unfulfilled assumptions" by the academic examination of cryptography? Where is their "proof" now?' >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 etc 1403289;1455238697;assbot;Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJkM1o ) 1403290;1455238730;asciilifeform;the man is intelligent, but the sheer magnitude of the 'learned helplessness' is astonishing even to me. 1403291;1455238757;asciilifeform;normally it is at this point when a fella is expected to mutter something about making machines from discrete transistors or ttl 1403292;1455238764;asciilifeform;and i kept waiting, waiting for that paragraph 1403293;1455238766;asciilifeform;but it never came. 1403294;1455238827;asciilifeform;i diagnose a severe, possibly life-threatening failure of the imagination... 1403295;1455238903;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403016 << sheesh sorry. It won't happen again. 1403296;1455238903;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 20:10:22; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature. 1403297;1455238906;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403205 << I care! And I would be very sorry to see coinbr shut down. 1403298;1455238906;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 23:07:05; jurov: if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful 1403299;1455238992;danielpbarron;would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while 1403300;1455239133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19258 @ 0.00056316 = 10.8453 BTC [+] {2} 1403301;1455239194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87442 @ 0.00056456 = 49.3663 BTC [+] {2} 1403302;1455239438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27180 @ 0.00056457 = 15.345 BTC [+] 1403303;1455240170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110524 @ 0.00056189 = 62.1023 BTC [-] {3} 1403304;1455240504;asciilifeform;in unrelated, non-at-all-nyooz, but very spiffy: http://www.devic.us/hacks/anatomy-z80-gate 1403305;1455240509;assbot;The Anatomy of a Z80 Gate - Baltazar's Hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/20Pbubx ) 1403306;1455240528;asciilifeform;^ especially for mircea_popescu 1403307;1455244745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85447 @ 0.00055268 = 47.2248 BTC [-] {2} 1403308;1455244772;mircea_popescu;shinohai what's that all about ? 1403309;1455245058;shinohai;I'm not sure, more r/btc drama I haven't read through yet. I had to stop reading and help a buddy fix his broken core wallet. 1403310;1455245104;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron> would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while << kinda the entite fucking point of a broker in the first place. 1403311;1455245126;mircea_popescu;i have nfi idea who even entertains the nonsense of the "internet trader" mind, but it's beyond fucking ridiculous. 1403312;1455245149;mircea_popescu;kids should just go snipe hunting like their grandfathers instead. 1403313;1455245214;mircea_popescu;http://www.devic.us/hacks/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/11/baltazar-small.jpg << lol that jew's adorbs. 1403314;1455245215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6mRw ) 1403315;1455245687;mircea_popescu;and in class cutting news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a6a52bee47d6be2fb5e4038ce79feb9/tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1403316;1455245689;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4HczM ) 1403317;1455245893;shinohai;!s https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/329 1403318;1455245894;assbot;Withdraw BIP 101 proposal by gavinandresen · Pull Request #329 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6O1S ) 1403319;1455245895;assbot;0 results for 'https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/329' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbitcoin%2Fbips%2Fpull%2F329 1403320;1455246209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 389466 @ 0.00056347 = 219.4524 BTC [+] {7} 1403321;1455247320;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403315 << WOAH this is one of maybe total 3 chix mircea_popescu linked that has a ~living face~ 1403322;1455247320;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 02:54:47; mircea_popescu: and in class cutting news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a6a52bee47d6be2fb5e4038ce79feb9/tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1403323;1455247434;asciilifeform;see, THIS is what i meant ! 1403324;1455247474;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384142 1403325;1455247475;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 15:00:13; asciilifeform: perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi 1403326;1455247503;mircea_popescu;hehe 1403327;1455247516;asciilifeform;decisively opposite of 'fata de impins vagoane' 1403328;1455247522;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/992864a3bd505e9f3a482f32067914b0/tumblr_nvliemHrWv1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg << let's stick to backsides then 1403329;1455247523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL8sk4 ) 1403330;1455247803;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403318 << wat?! 1403331;1455247803;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 02:58:14; assbot: Withdraw BIP 101 proposal by gavinandresen · Pull Request #329 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6O1S ) 1403332;1455247844;asciilifeform;or nm, the 'classic' crud was something else, new, not 101 ? 1403333;1455247861;*;asciilifeform has utterly lost track of the sequence of usgola 1403334;1455247891;mircea_popescu;it's really not that interesting. 1403335;1455247896;asciilifeform;aha, right? 1403336;1455247956;asciilifeform;ftr tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg is the single hottest chick i've ever seen in a bitmap. 1403337;1455247969;*;asciilifeform takes off hat. 1403338;1455247978;asciilifeform;or nm 1403339;1455247992;asciilifeform;no, yes. 1403340;1455248017;mircea_popescu;lol! well so good for you. 1403341;1455249173;mircea_popescu;!up micheieh 1403342;1455251699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46550 @ 0.00056276 = 26.1965 BTC [-] 1403343;1455251980;danielpbarron;!up DicePower 1403344;1455252011;DicePower;!register 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB 1403345;1455252011;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB. This may take a few moments. 1403346;1455252011;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1403347;1455252065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166300 @ 0.00056399 = 93.7915 BTC [+] {3} 1403348;1455252092;DicePower;gpg -k --fingerprint 1403349;1455252126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144200 @ 0.00055374 = 79.8493 BTC [-] {2} 1403350;1455252127;danielpbarron;i guess they don't have it in there yet 1403351;1455252149;DicePower;That was the fingerprint that Kleopatra gave me. 1403352;1455252162;DicePower;I assume it's the same fingerprint post upload? 1403353;1455252189;danielpbarron;yeah, the key server just sucks 1403354;1455252845;mircea_popescu;!rate DicePower 1 Euloran 1403355;1455252845;assbot;DicePower is not registered in WoT. 1403356;1455252849;mircea_popescu;hm 1403357;1455252892;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB 1403358;1455252893;assbot;Search results for '0x9af0c08e3c97cf0ccdc2f6e3201e1d0c00edf5ab' ... ( http://bit.ly/1owcX5f ) 1403359;1455252895;mircea_popescu;not there 1403360;1455252918;DicePower;I'll try to reupload 1403361;1455252919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00055275 = 32.1148 BTC [-] {4} 1403362;1455252961;DicePower;Key block added to key server database. New public keys added: 1 key(s) added successfully. 1403363;1455252983;DicePower;!register 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB 1403364;1455252983;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB. This may take a few moments. 1403365;1455252984;assbot;Key 00EDF5AB / "First Last " successfully imported. 1403366;1455252984;assbot;Registration successful. 1403367;1455252992;DicePower;Yay! 1403368;1455253011;mircea_popescu;theree you go 1403369;1455253012;mircea_popescu;!rate DicePower 1 Euloran 1403370;1455253012;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0aa13d1a7b98679a 1403371;1455253038;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.DicePower.1:ba3b461a70636ce72f4019cd5e1b9de703dd70ed27056960a0383a92351e4092 1403372;1455253038;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for DicePower with note: Euloran 1403373;1455253224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192278 @ 0.00056327 = 108.3044 BTC [+] {4} 1403374;1455253976;mircea_popescu;!unrate adlai 1403375;1455253976;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/85ef912e10a7ae08 1403376;1455253999;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.adlai:fa53170620fef5b0cd32d4e5f62509b0f82ae6df6ffc70841eb783f6915d4c9 1403377;1455253999;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1403378;1455254102;mircea_popescu;what! 1403379;1455254108;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how the fuck is this possibru 1403380;1455254122;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.unrate.adlai:fa53170620fef5b0cd32d4e5f62509b0f82ae6df6ffc70841eb783f6915d4c9c 1403381;1455254122;assbot;Successfully unrated adlai 1403382;1455254132;mircea_popescu;oops sorry my bad 1403383;1455254233;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.10000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b3 1403384;1455254265;mircea_popescu;o,O 1403385;1455254627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00055268 = 46.1488 BTC [-] {2} 1403386;1455254639;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgoxinsolvency/comments/44f775/i_wish_i_had_read_this_when_it_was_originally/ << in other lulz. 1403387;1455254641;assbot;I wish I had read this when it was originally published! : mtgoxinsolvency ... ( http://bit.ly/1owfa0s ) 1403388;1455255298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00055225 = 36.8627 BTC [-] {2} 1403389;1455255725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 272300 @ 0.00055665 = 151.5758 BTC [+] {4} 1403390;1455257189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144600 @ 0.00055582 = 80.3716 BTC [-] {3} 1403391;1455257250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96660 @ 0.00055351 = 53.5023 BTC [-] {2} 1403392;1455257372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200242 @ 0.0005582 = 111.7751 BTC [+] {4} 1403393;1455257677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31701 @ 0.0005623 = 17.8255 BTC [+] 1403394;1455258592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00056559 = 55.3713 BTC [+] {4} 1403395;1455259653;ben_vulpes;https://medium.com/@pistacchio/i-m-a-web-developer-and-i-ve-been-stuck-with-the-simplest-app-for-the-last-10-days-fb5c50917df#.tq2thlp8r << checking in from the lulzfactory 1403396;1455259654;assbot;I’m a web developer and I’ve been stuck with the simplest app for the last 10 days — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1V7VVEM ) 1403397;1455259690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76933 @ 0.0005623 = 43.2594 BTC [-] {2} 1403398;1455259743;ben_vulpes;"talking to the community about my “analysis paralysis loop” caused by the excessive amount of available tools to choose from and to investigate resulted in the community suggesting to try out, spend time, learn and investigate four more technologies that I haven’t even considered in the first place. Good job, Javascript!" 1403399;1455259748;ben_vulpes;GOOOOOOOOALD 1403400;1455260544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131800 @ 0.00056596 = 74.5935 BTC [+] {4} 1403401;1455260554;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b4 1403402;1455261764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75316 @ 0.00056623 = 42.6462 BTC [+] 1403403;1455262008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0005623 = 19.2869 BTC [-] {2} 1403404;1455262923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121317 @ 0.0005623 = 68.2165 BTC [-] {2} 1403405;1455263960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17358 @ 0.00056225 = 9.7595 BTC [-] {2} 1403406;1455264021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191492 @ 0.0005579 = 106.8334 BTC [-] {2} 1403407;1455264066;punkman;"AFAIK Mark Karpelès hasn't been allowed any visits, not even contacts with his family and is not allowed to use a computer either. He already lost 35 kg but still hasn't accepted to be the scapegoat, which seems to be why he's still detained after more than 4 months, without any trial or official charges…" 1403408;1455268838;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo wait, are those NAVY seals ? << yes 1403409;1455269206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91300 @ 0.00056623 = 51.6968 BTC [+] 1403410;1455269325;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403295 << No big deal other than lols have value so twitter should be denied lols that don't come at the public expense of the Mayos 1403411;1455269325;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 01:01:43; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403016 << sheesh sorry. It won't happen again. 1403412;1455269653;punkman;http://www.riddellwilliams.com/blog/articles/post/hard-fork-conspiracy-treacherous lol 1403413;1455269654;assbot;Hard Fork Conspiracy Treacherous | Riddell Williams P.S. Seattle Law Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLmDWs ) 1403414;1455269694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96757 @ 0.00056655 = 54.8177 BTC [+] {4} 1403415;1455271039;BingoBoingo;punkman: And now the devils have to confront it 1403416;1455271041;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/45e14z/hard_fork_conspiracy_treacherous_riddell_williams/ 1403417;1455271042;assbot;Hard Fork Conspiracy Treacherous | Riddell Williams P.S. Seattle Law Firm : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLnExJ ) 1403418;1455272023;punkman;'"Oh, you wanted to *increment a counter*?! Good luck with that!" -- the distributed systems literature' 1403419;1455272800;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca8j9_hUUAAgnN9.jpg:large "sorry for your loss" 1403420;1455272800;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZw4hd ) 1403421;1455272961;BingoBoingo;lol 1403422;1455274147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169831 @ 0.0005619 = 95.428 BTC [-] {4} 1403423;1455274841;BingoBoingo;Fucking revisionists. Apparently now caffeine and not "having been the world's fattest man" killed a one time world's fattest man http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/6-energy-drinks-a-day-blamed-for-death-of-6801521.php?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link 1403424;1455274843;assbot;Binging on energy drinks killed world's heaviest man - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZxzw5 ) 1403425;1455276373;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/853570 << Justice Porn 1403426;1455276376;assbot;The Long Con | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tg3fjZ ) 1403427;1455278112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143500 @ 0.00056622 = 81.2526 BTC [+] {2} 1403428;1455278478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60450 @ 0.0005667 = 34.257 BTC [+] 1403429;1455279210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161000 @ 0.0005667 = 91.2387 BTC [+] {3} 1403430;1455279698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80922 @ 0.00056678 = 45.865 BTC [+] 1403431;1455281000;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403407 << mega-l0l!! land of the rising sun does not read the logz! doesn't know how to set up 'coke machine' ?! 1403432;1455281000;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 08:01:06; punkman: "AFAIK Mark Karpelès hasn't been allowed any visits, not even contacts with his family and is not allowed to use a computer either. He already lost 35 kg but still hasn't accepted to be the scapegoat, which seems to be why he's still detained after more than 4 months, without any trial or official charges…" 1403433;1455281229;asciilifeform;and from where was the quote? 1403434;1455281313;asciilifeform;srsly why feed google. 1403435;1455281406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89132 @ 0.00056384 = 50.2562 BTC [-] {3} 1403436;1455282443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143350 @ 0.00056259 = 80.6473 BTC [-] {3} 1403437;1455282740;BingoBoingo;!up Reydev 1403438;1455282783;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> GOOOOOOOOALD << i rolfed. 1403439;1455282846;*;mircea_popescu reads punkman's article by some lawyer. 1.st line ? "Bitcoin, a peer-to-peer electronic cash system, is intended to allow" 1403440;1455282859;*;mircea_popescu skips this nonsense. derp does not have the first clue as to bitcoin. 1403441;1455282936;Reydev;Hi all. For those holding a decent amount of BTC or other crypto, would you ever consider (pseudonymously) self-identifying on a richlist-like site purely existing to flaunt your riches? 1403442;1455282976;mircea_popescu;depends. 1403443;1455282984;mircea_popescu;would you tell your wife ? 1403444;1455283009;Reydev;Tell her what? 1403445;1455283053;mircea_popescu;about your crypto fortune 1403446;1455283060;Reydev;hmm 1403447;1455283068;Reydev;yes 1403448;1455283071;Reydev;partly 1403449;1455283084;mircea_popescu;then the answer is yes, all that's left to establish is if the community in question is as close to you as your wife. 1403450;1455283230;Reydev;You know there are people who like to hide their fortune and there are those who love to be on the cover of Forbes 1403451;1455283252;Reydev;But the internet offers the possibility of pseudonymity 1403452;1455283263;mircea_popescu;or the delusion thereof. 1403453;1455283271;asciilifeform;^ 1403454;1455283276;fluffypony;hence the pseudo :-P 1403455;1455283285;mircea_popescu;lol 1403456;1455283285;Reydev;yeah 1403457;1455283290;polarbeard;I want to be anonymously famous 1403458;1455283300;fluffypony;polarbeard: your wish has been granted! 1403459;1455283303;asciilifeform;pseudopseudo! 1403460;1455283305;fluffypony;you know guys, I once met polarbeard 1403461;1455283310;fluffypony;he's chill af 1403462;1455283325;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca8j9_hUUAAgnN9.jpg:large << the one thing the dude trying to push facebook with that doesn't mention is that the facebook-alikes in there (zynga, groupon etc) were offered earlier than facebook ; and that they were doing JUST AS GOOD at some point in their spam cycle. 1403463;1455283326;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZw4hd ) 1403464;1455283337;mircea_popescu;where's myspace, the first billion dollar interwebs "corporation" ? 1403465;1455283346;fluffypony;ask Tom 1403466;1455283358;Reydev;actually there are many "celebrities" by now only known by their internet persona 1403467;1455283361;mircea_popescu;fluffypony where was that ? 1403468;1455283371;mircea_popescu;Reydev really ? name one ? 1403469;1455283374;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: where was what? 1403470;1455283388;*;mircea_popescu lives in the sort of cave where even kardashian is more of a starlet than a celebrity. 1403471;1455283392;mircea_popescu;fluffypony met polarbeard 1403472;1455283394;Reydev;all pro game guys 1403473;1455283395;fluffypony;oh 1403474;1455283401;fluffypony;I was joking - he wanted to be famous, so I was name-dropping 1403475;1455283406;Reydev;like starcraft celebs 1403476;1455283421;Reydev;all youtube celebs 1403477;1455283421;mircea_popescu;Reydev you mean like http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ ? 1403478;1455283422;assbot;Cel mai bun paladin din the world. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pr7ENi ) 1403479;1455283440;Reydev;ahahah 1403480;1455283482;Reydev;there was something highly entertaining about the guy, in all its cringeyness 1403481;1455283482;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wait wut 1403482;1455283487;mircea_popescu;indeed! 1403483;1455283490;mircea_popescu;you know this one ? 1403484;1455283494;*;mircea_popescu thought this the peak of obscurity. 1403485;1455283512;Reydev;i played wow for a while, dont ban me plz 1403486;1455283519;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: he said he wanted to be famous, so I was namedropping his name like he's famous :) 1403487;1455283519;mircea_popescu;notably, i have NEVER seen a woman so deeply humiliated as that chick obviously is 1403488;1455283524;Reydev;he was kind of a celeb there 1403489;1455283539;mircea_popescu;(iirc she ended up a candidate for some derpy party somewhere in their nordic system there. denmark perhaps) 1403490;1455283558;mircea_popescu;the things young women will put up with... 1403491;1455283604;mircea_popescu;Reydev i was actually in the wow closed beta. it... sucked. 1403492;1455283620;polarbeard;fluffypony: but by naming me you broke my dream of being anonymously famous 1403493;1455283624;punkman;Athene is not that obscure 1403494;1455283630;fluffypony;polarbeard: point 1403495;1455283642;fluffypony;polarbeard: I once met 1403496;1455283643;mircea_popescu;polarbeard wait your name is Polar Beard irl 1403497;1455283665;polarbeard;yay, now I'm feeling it 1403498;1455283670;Reydev;i guess there will be Athenes enough in the BTC space that love to show off their holdings 1403499;1455283674;Reydev;crypto space* 1403500;1455283679;mircea_popescu;i guess that can happen... i once knew a chick Dusty Diamond. she was a... ahem. cough. coder. 1403501;1455283691;mircea_popescu;Reydev you have nfi lmao. look up into uppity tortilla. 1403502;1455283691;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: Polar B. Eard 1403503;1455283694;asciilifeform;l0lwut 1403504;1455283711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coder. you know, from latin coda, tail. 1403505;1455283719;asciilifeform;ahahaha 1403506;1455283744;PeterL;I went to school with Crystal Champagne 1403507;1455283746;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu reads punkman's article by some lawyer. 1.st line ? "Bitcoin, a peer-to-peer electronic cash system, is intended to allow" << Tis of immense value as an instrument of trolling 1403508;1455283769;mircea_popescu;i bow to your superior knowledges bb. 1403509;1455283776;mircea_popescu;PeterL was her mom hot ? 1403510;1455283784;mircea_popescu;punkman what's he up to these days ? can't be poker, can it. 1403511;1455283785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00056748 = 61.1176 BTC [+] {4} 1403512;1455283795;PeterL;dunno, never met her mom, but she was kinda skanky 1403513;1455283798;asciilifeform;instrument of trolling >> a trawl? 1403514;1455283801;mircea_popescu;lol! 1403515;1455283905;punkman;mircea_popescu: social media, like everyone else 1403516;1455283913;mircea_popescu;oh 1403517;1455283936;mircea_popescu;i guess i missed that boat, what with digg and myspace banning me and all. 1403518;1455283989;punkman;tldr of the article you linked? 1403519;1455284015;*;asciilifeform many years ago tried arsebook : mega-snore. 1403520;1455284192;polarbeard;asciilifeform: building shiva, instructions unclear, ended up here: http://dpaste.com/0RM4BAK.txt 1403521;1455284193;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pr9eyw ) 1403522;1455284217;mircea_popescu;punkman mine ? just poking fun at the guy, nothing really. linked for the vids. 1403523;1455284241;asciilifeform;polarbeard: betcha you didn't apply part1 patch ! 1403524;1455284269;mircea_popescu;the 1st symptom of a well written guide : author knows exactly what the user did wrong. 1403525;1455284282;polarbeard;I certainly shaked the tree a bit, will recheck 1403526;1455284300;asciilifeform;this is a legit point, 2 is not vtronically linked to 1 1403527;1455284308;mircea_popescu;aha. 1403528;1455284328;mircea_popescu;and speaking of vtronically linked, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2zluxKH5U1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1403529;1455284329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20PWhqy ) 1403530;1455284333;asciilifeform;i actually bashed my head over this 1403531;1455284334;Reydev;tortilla refers to the pietila guy? 1403532;1455284355;mircea_popescu;Reydev yeah, hanbot coinage. 1403533;1455284370;BingoBoingo; instrument of trolling >> a trawl? << A Trawler, like the boat. It puts out lines that catch lulz. 1403534;1455284384;mircea_popescu;i thought it caught comedy goldfish 1403535;1455284406;BingoBoingo;I catches that as well as commedy redfish and bluefish. 1403536;1455284421;mircea_popescu;and comedi pizdish 1403537;1455284574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i left shiva1 an island to emphasize that it is a heathen and largely unverified turd (tinyscheme) 1403538;1455284595;mircea_popescu;this is one thing. the other is that you could have said in the docs. 1403539;1455284597;mircea_popescu;!up Reydev 1403540;1455284605;mircea_popescu;how about you register a pgp sig with assbot. 1403541;1455284623;asciilifeform;the tinyscheme genesis is not doc enough?? 1403542;1455284623;polarbeard;asciilifeform: oh, so I should actually finish having b/tinyscheme *and* b/bitcoin/src/shiva ? 1403543;1455284629;BingoBoingo;I guess it's time to mount some of the comedy goldfish so captured on the wall https://archive.is/qI4mt 1403544;1455284630;assbot;Hard Fork Conspiracy Treacherous | Riddell Williams P.S. Seattle Law Firm : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrabHb ) 1403545;1455284642;asciilifeform;polarbeard: no! 1403546;1455284666;asciilifeform;just apply shiva part1. 1403547;1455284684;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i always thought someone should just take all the bs "hey guise is bitcoin legit ?" noob questions, take them to craigslist, replace bitcoin with name of city and go all concerned-like 1403548;1455284687;polarbeard;confused, why last patches press b/tinyscheme ? 1403549;1455284707;mircea_popescu;"hey guise, is seattle legit ? my girlfriend got a job here but i dunno... i looked on the itnernet and it seems like a real town and whatnot, but how can i be sure ?" 1403550;1455284719;asciilifeform;you pressed tinyscheme genesis didntcha. 1403551;1455284722;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There might be some merit to that. 1403552;1455284727;asciilifeform;Don't!! 1403553;1455284775;polarbeard;oh, okay, that's a separate tinyscheme tree ? to freeze & possibly work on it? 1403554;1455284792;asciilifeform;aha. 1403555;1455284801;polarbeard;I see the light. 1403556;1455284809;asciilifeform;It was turned into shiva part1 1403557;1455284817;asciilifeform;by altering paths 1403558;1455284836;asciilifeform;press ~that~. 1403559;1455284848;mircea_popescu;you realise none of this is obvious, do you ? 1403560;1455284922;asciilifeform;i have given up trying to telepath out what is and isn't obvious to folks 1403561;1455284941;mircea_popescu;don't. 1403562;1455284941;*;asciilifeform bbl 1403563;1455284941;polarbeard;if I can drop an idea, perhaps tagging the ml submission subjects would help... 1403564;1455285058;Reydev;Ill register a sig later, dont have much useful to add anymore. Im building the richlist anyway, even if its just an exercise in the end :) and ill be lurking some 1403565;1455285493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195488 @ 0.00056588 = 110.6227 BTC [-] {2} 1403566;1455285554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147600 @ 0.00056791 = 83.8235 BTC [+] 1403567;1455285615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75775 @ 0.00056588 = 42.8796 BTC [-] 1403568;1455286377;mircea_popescu;!up eamonnw 1403569;1455286401;polarbeard;works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig 1403570;1455286403;assbot;trb/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch at master · polarbeard/trb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PreiTM ) 1403571;1455286404;assbot;trb/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig at master · polarbeard/trb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrehPK ) 1403572;1455286408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112600 @ 0.00056791 = 63.9467 BTC [+] {3} 1403573;1455286481;punkman;http://normalbob.com/amazingstrangers/ 1403574;1455286481;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1403575;1455286482;assbot;Amazing Strangers | normalbob.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PresKO ) 1403576;1455286596;mircea_popescu;!up wpalczynski 1403577;1455286716;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude that thing hit reddit exactly where it hurts lol 1403578;1455286774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97317 @ 0.00056203 = 54.6951 BTC [-] {3} 1403579;1455286823;mircea_popescu;who knew that insane as they might be, divorced from any sort of reality as they may find themselves, nevertheless getting lawyers to not be upset with them is THE ONE TRUE THING they care about. 1403580;1455286825;mircea_popescu;weird. 1403581;1455286863;punkman;heh 1403582;1455287201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162300 @ 0.0005681 = 92.2026 BTC [+] {5} 1403583;1455287689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5660 @ 0.0005688 = 3.2194 BTC [+] {2} 1403584;1455288034;jurov;danielpbarron: that "nobody cares" quip was definitely not about coinbr. there inability to provide solid service still after 3 years drives me mad 1403585;1455288079;jurov;it's not about speed, but rather structural, mpex api makes sharing an account in this way hard 1403586;1455288180;jurov;trading derivatives instead would work much better, but that needs to redo whole thing completely 1403587;1455288213;jurov;was talking about this with wywialm, told him ok let's do it but the other dudes should go into wot too 1403588;1455288224;jurov;that has not happeped yet 1403589;1455288268;jurov;;;seen wywialm 1403590;1455288268;gribble;wywialm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 35 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: thanks, BingoBoingo 1403591;1455288384;mircea_popescu;i wonder what's so hard about wot. people get in routinely, one a day by now or somesuch 1403592;1455288404;mircea_popescu;yet for a class (or perhaps a reunion of classes, dunno yet) of folk it seems the height of impossibility. 1403593;1455288727;mircea_popescu;but in clubbing news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/745897f7578528e02db73c599f7712ae/tumblr_nuu7hmQ4wb1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1403594;1455288728;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkSdCm ) 1403595;1455289946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181600 @ 0.00055683 = 101.1203 BTC [-] {4} 1403596;1455290939;davout;mircea_popescu: "i have no time for this gpg business" 1403597;1455290957;davout;"i'll have to look into it sometime" 1403598;1455290973;davout;MIKE ECHO HOTEL 1403599;1455291288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116400 @ 0.00056448 = 65.7055 BTC [+] {4} 1403600;1455291471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109100 @ 0.00056914 = 62.0932 BTC [+] {4} 1403601;1455291959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96562 @ 0.00056922 = 54.965 BTC [+] 1403602;1455292190;mircea_popescu;heh 1403603;1455292630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78801 @ 0.0005697 = 44.8929 BTC [+] {4} 1403604;1455292691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14649 @ 0.00057059 = 8.3586 BTC [+] 1403605;1455293850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00057059 = 22.7665 BTC [+] 1403606;1455294159;asciilifeform;http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/11/bluetooth-internet-of-things-support << no toiletron left behind!1111 1403607;1455294160;assbot;You'll soon track Bluetooth devices directly over the internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbKYOn ) 1403608;1455294216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46271 @ 0.00057119 = 26.4295 BTC [+] {2} 1403609;1455294880;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403591 << what's so hard for peasant learning to sign his name ? hard in more than one way ! 1403610;1455294880;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 14:46:24; mircea_popescu: i wonder what's so hard about wot. people get in routinely, one a day by now or somesuch 1403611;1455294904;asciilifeform;(gotta get used to ~having~ a signable name...) 1403612;1455294948;PeterL;signing is not easily done with a touchscreen phone 1403613;1455295042;asciilifeform;l0l 1403614;1455295063;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403533 << maybe just me, but i normally think of a ww2 mine trawl, the kind towed by a tank 1403615;1455295063;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 13:39:30; BingoBoingo: instrument of trolling >> a trawl? << A Trawler, like the boat. It puts out lines that catch lulz. 1403616;1455295100;BingoBoingo;That might just be you. The fishboat came first11!!!111eleventy 1403617;1455295146;asciilifeform;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4a/b4/c1/4ab4c1f07bb75d9491a47fcd02dc0288.jpg << e.g., this 1403618;1455295147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbN4xE ) 1403619;1455295192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4738 @ 0.00056922 = 2.697 BTC [-] 1403620;1455295204;asciilifeform;interestingly, these were an 'ultimate' weapon, in the sense that nobody, afaik, found a pill against them (at least during ww2) 1403621;1455295412;davout;PeterL: actually it can be! 1403622;1455295491;PeterL;I was thinking of typing gpg commands like in a terminal, I guess it can be as easy as clicking a button if you set things up 1403623;1455295542;asciilifeform;let's also point and grunt reactor controls. 1403624;1455295585;PeterL;well, guy off the street does not get access to reactor controls 1403625;1455295954;punkman;PeterL: signing is not easily done with a touchscreen phone << it's not really the interface, more that phones suck 1403626;1455295995;punkman;you could probably use cardano on your phone 1403627;1455296046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 83733 @ 0.00042023 = 35.1871 BTC [+] 1403628;1455296056;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403585 << ok, my main concern is that I have quite a bit of shares that I had not intention of selling any time soon, and I'd imagine if you shut down you'd just liquidate it all at whatever the current bids are 1403629;1455296056;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 14:41:19; jurov: it's not about speed, but rather structural, mpex api makes sharing an account in this way hard 1403630;1455296161;jurov;no, if I decide to, it will not be shut down at a moment's notice, the situation is NOT so dire 1403631;1455296232;danielpbarron;ok thank you for the clarification 1403632;1455296246;danielpbarron;and thank you for running the service :D 1403633;1455296268;*;asciilifeform is not a user of jurov's service, but always found it interesting that it has no (afaik) competition. must be quite good. 1403634;1455296392;BingoBoingo;I recommend it. Works well. 1403635;1455296405;*;asciilifeform believes 1403636;1455296423;*;asciilifeform would use it, if he had with what ! 1403637;1455296508;BingoBoingo;Well, you got qntra shares 1403638;1455296544;asciilifeform;and why would i want them to slowly melt away ? 1403639;1455296561;jurov;H0D1!!! 1403640;1455296585;asciilifeform;thing is that you can't 'hodl' on coinbr, it has parking fee 1403641;1455296592;asciilifeform;which is fair, but it means that i have no use for it 1403642;1455296595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00056064 = 5.3261 BTC [-] 1403643;1455296640;PeterL;there is a high investment required for competition, needs a seat on MPEx, not sure if the small number of potential users would justify that 1403644;1455296661;asciilifeform;seat on mpex costs about what an old bulldozer costs 1403645;1455296662;mircea_popescu; (gotta get used to ~having~ a signable name...) << you speak wise. 1403646;1455296671;asciilifeform;how many bulldozer rentails in your neighbourhood ! 1403647;1455296674;asciilifeform;*rentals 1403648;1455296701;BingoBoingo; how many bulldozer rentails in your neighbourhood ! << 3 1403649;1455296703;PeterL;but would you earn more in broker fees than buldozer wages? 1403650;1455296706;mircea_popescu;actually back in ro you could rent any machinery. they all have "call here to rent this item" on them 1403651;1455296715;BingoBoingo;There are three places in town I could rent a bulldozer 1403652;1455296718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same anywhere, i think 1403653;1455296724;asciilifeform;certainly even here in mordoristan 1403654;1455296763;mircea_popescu;so then... there's a ton of buldozer rentals in your neighbourhood ? 1403655;1455296783;asciilifeform;at least 4 within 10 minutes driving 1403656;1455296786;mircea_popescu;punkman> you could probably use cardano on your phone << you could prolly rootkit smartphone into a half-decent autosigner device. 1403657;1455296799;asciilifeform;dozers, excavators, trucks 1403658;1455296823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rng is tricky bit on those 1403659;1455296830;mircea_popescu;no, import it. 1403660;1455296871;PeterL;so owning buldozer yields $x from rentals, does opening broker service yield $x from potential clients? I don't think the market is strong enough for that yet, but I could be wrong 1403661;1455296907;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> thing is that you can't 'hodl' on coinbr, it has parking fee << so for i've more than managed to beat the parking fee 1403662;1455296922;PeterL;me too 1403663;1455296931;PeterL;most months 1403664;1455296947;mircea_popescu;there must be a way to solve this - like if user agrees never to trade for the following year, deposit shares and instead of charge maybe even pay him something. 1403665;1455296952;mircea_popescu;irl brokers lend out the shares to pay for this. 1403666;1455296961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140230 @ 0.00055861 = 78.3339 BTC [-] {3} 1403667;1455296965;PeterL;but just 'hodl'ing, it is hard to beat parking fee 1403668;1455296995;danielpbarron;yeah most of my gains were betting on MPEx beating the previous hard fork scare that drove the price of MPOE into the teens 1403669;1455297080;mircea_popescu;heh. 1403670;1455297083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78450 @ 0.00055654 = 43.6606 BTC [-] {2} 1403671;1455297088;mircea_popescu;that was so ridoinculous 1403672;1455297103;danielpbarron;it was very awesome. 10/10. would play again 1403673;1455297230;mircea_popescu;LOL 1403674;1455297282;mircea_popescu;the nature of virginity. back then people actually thought a mp-gavin dispute could possibly be resolved any other way. 1403675;1455297298;mircea_popescu;if further evidence that social media rots the brain could be needed... 1403676;1455297384;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "The democratic party is aborting much of its future voterbase" 1403677;1455297391;danielpbarron;i wasn't even nervous. I figured if MPEx wasn't going to win, I didn't want any part of bitcoin 1403678;1455297602;*;asciilifeform wonders how many rounds of '101' gavin's handlers consider him good for, until he goes to pasture 1403679;1455297753;danielpbarron;!up BCB 1403680;1455297765;BCB;Thank you danielpbarron 1403681;1455297767;danielpbarron;!rated bcb 1403682;1455297767;assbot;You rated user bcb on 05-May-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: He sold me 1 bitcoin via paypal back when it was under 100.. 1403683;1455297772;danielpbarron;haven't seen you in a minute! 1403684;1455297780;BCB;danielpbarron: been a while 1403685;1455297796;danielpbarron;how's it going with you? 1403686;1455297808;BCB;ok 1403687;1455297817;BCB;I see you guys started a new Foundation 1403688;1455297840;danielpbarron;yessiree, you like what you see? 1403689;1455297971;BCB;I just noticed it recently. Have had much time to poke around 1403690;1455298160;asciilifeform;!s from:mircea_popescu !unrate adlai 1403691;1455298160;assbot;4 results for 'from:mircea_popescu !unrate adlai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+%21unrate+adlai 1403692;1455298164;asciilifeform;l0l 1403693;1455298226;asciilifeform;ftr adlai makes me very sad, it is clear that the man has the aptitude for constructive work, but somehow falls down every time 1403694;1455298274;asciilifeform;and then gets into a foul fugue, where he posts cryptograms discussing having nothing to live for, etc. 1403695;1455298307;asciilifeform;pretty much asciilifeform circa late '90s 1403696;1455298362;BingoBoingo;How did asciilifeform early 00's fix that? 1403697;1455298385;asciilifeform;didn't. 1403698;1455298393;asciilifeform;just too busy for wankatronics 1403699;1455298504;asciilifeform;but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not 1403700;1455298712;shinohai;Perhaps laying off the sauce would help. 1403701;1455298732;BingoBoingo; just too busy for wankatronics << AHA, there is a solution. 1403702;1455298766;asciilifeform;not really 'solution' in the usual sense 1403703;1455298789;BingoBoingo;Sure it is. Many actual solutions to life's problems are this at their core. 1403704;1455298855;asciilifeform;what i meant to say, is that i studied the Ancient Art of Shutting The Fuck Up 1403705;1455298870;asciilifeform;it doesn't make one less depressed, but does lead to reduced adlaiing. 1403706;1455298909;*;asciilifeform not yet fully master of the Art 1403707;1455298937;BingoBoingo;Exactly. The Big Book has a chapter called "into action" but it does not have chapter titled "Into Feeling" or "Into Thinking" 1403708;1455298938;asciilifeform;in the final '9 dan' stage, one is indistinguishable from a normal person 1403709;1455298954;asciilifeform;(except possibly on autopsy) 1403710;1455298988;asciilifeform;from this effect, i think, comes the proverbial 'but he was so happy! why did he eat the nagant?!' thing 1403711;1455299024;asciilifeform;iirc there was a spiffy mircea_popescu essay about this, long ago. 1403712;1455299057;trinque;to be a simpleton... one will die either way. 1403713;1455299063;trinque;better to only consider the option he has 1403714;1455299065;trinque;*options 1403715;1455299368;trinque;and perhaps one of those options incrementally improves his life, perhaps it doesn't 1403716;1455299379;*;trinque studied the art of fundamentally not giving a shit 1403717;1455299647;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/austrian-minister-seeks-constitutional-protection-for-cash-payments/ 1403718;1455299648;assbot;Austrian Minister Seeks Constitutional Protection For Cash Payments | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLTvyg ) 1403719;1455299706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126800 @ 0.00055617 = 70.5224 BTC [-] {4} 1403720;1455300050;mircea_popescu;!rated BCB 1403721;1455300050;assbot;You have not rated BCB. 1403722;1455300059;mircea_popescu;the name's nevertheless familiar. where do i know you from ? 1403723;1455300098;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> ftr adlai makes me very sad, it is clear that the man has the aptitude for constructive work, but somehow falls down every time << seems to me like he's zig-zagging broadly towards sense, but who knows these things. 1403724;1455300148;mircea_popescu;!up BCB 1403725;1455300157;mircea_popescu;you know you can self voice, dpb is in the lordship 1403726;1455300172;BCB;mircea_popescu: we go way back 1403727;1455300254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> pretty much asciilifeform circa late '90s << man i was having a ball late 90s. such days! 1403728;1455300257;BCB;is bitcoin still a thing 1403729;1455300266;mircea_popescu;BCB yeah but be specific 1403730;1455300286;asciilifeform;was there ~ever~ a time when mircea_popescu was ~not~ 'having a ball' ?? 1403731;1455300290;BCB;I thought it was turning into the bankchain 1403732;1455300314;mircea_popescu;last xmas was pretty miserable, for instance. 1403733;1455300418;*;asciilifeform had surreal experience this morning that BingoBoingo might appreciate. was looking through cabinets at rupturefarms for $officesuply, and opened one that contained... bottles of whiskey 1403734;1455300422;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2016/02/austrian-minister-seeks-constitutional-protection-for-cash-payments/ << actually this is a fucking great idea. the right to settle commerce without interference from third parties is way more important than the right of women to not be chattel property. 1403735;1455300459;BingoBoingo; the name's nevertheless familiar. where do i know you from ? << Bitcointalk 1403736;1455300495;mircea_popescu;o from hanbot's files ? 1403737;1455300513;BCB;lot of battles with your girl MOEpr 1403738;1455300514;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Wonderful. A desk isn't a proper desk without bourbon. 1403739;1455300522;*;BingoBoingo no longer has a proper desk 1403740;1455300553;mircea_popescu;lol. didja win any ? 1403741;1455300578;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i was told long ago that there are, so to speak, 'dry' ~and~ 'wet' offices in usa, but did not see with own eyes until recently 1403742;1455300640;asciilifeform;so far my understanding is that the latter is found largely on the left side of the potomac river, the former - on the right 1403743;1455300651;asciilifeform;but this is speaking strictly for the swamp, i have nfi re: the rest of the continent 1403744;1455300653;mircea_popescu;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/BCB/ << lol wouldja look at that thing. 1403745;1455300671;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The only dry office is the one that hasn't been checked thoroughly enough 1403746;1455300706;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand, this is not a covert thing, the bottles come out at meetings etc 1403747;1455300722;BingoBoingo;Ah 1403748;1455300858;BingoBoingo;One place I worked telephone answering department manager was a guy who kept vodka filled chocolates on his desk. 1403749;1455300923;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2016/02/austrian-minister-seeks-constitutional-protection-for-cash-payments/ << actually this is a fucking great idea. the right to settle commerce without interference from third parties is way more important than the right of women to not be chattel property. << Well isn't that why we're here? 1403750;1455300923;assbot;Austrian Minister Seeks Constitutional Protection For Cash Payments | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLTvyg ) 1403751;1455301113;mats;wet offices are more common in tech companies in my brief experience 1403752;1455301219;BCB;mircea_popescu: No one ever wins with her 1403753;1455301221;mats;FB, TripAdvisor, and Sonos offices I've visited, have had folks with growlers on their desks, open bars, the works 1403754;1455301294;BCB;I actually have a full bottle of Deanston's Highland Single Malt Scotch Whisky on my desk right now if anyone would like a taste. 1403755;1455301624;asciilifeform;deanston's highland ... << 'liquid bagpipe' 1403756;1455301628;asciilifeform;^ oughta be a brand 1403757;1455301902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.0005547 = 21.0509 BTC [-] {2} 1403758;1455301914;*;shinohai drinks whisky with BCB [~]D 1403759;1455301934;BCB;shinohai: cheers 1403760;1455301971;BingoBoingo;!up BCB 1403761;1455301978;*;funkenstein_ raises glass with shinohai and BCB 1403762;1455301984;funkenstein_;nice patch polarbeard! 1403763;1455301986;BCB;funkenstein_: chin chin 1403764;1455302074;funkenstein_;I would resubmit the privkeytools patch to ml, but I'm unsure where the rebase should go (in patch order) and - would rather await further tests from trinque and others, seeing as this touches live ammunition 1403765;1455302115;funkenstein_;in other news I have made a measurement with an uncalibrated instrument with signal to noise ratio well under 1 part per billion 1403766;1455302132;funkenstein_;it matches my unverified simulations. can i haz noble prize? 1403767;1455302157;ben_vulpes;what'd adlai do this time? i didn't see anything notably lulzy in the logs... 1403768;1455302172;trinque;funkenstein_: I can at least confirm that it worked without incident in my case. 1403769;1455302188;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: was it... your nose ? 1403770;1455302194;asciilifeform;(instrument) 1403771;1455302207;funkenstein_;trinque, great 1403772;1455302236;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: he did nothing other than get unrated by mircea_popescu for the nth time 1403773;1455302249;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i keep an closet full entirely of wine and liquor at my office... 1403774;1455302280;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, lol.. the nose knows 1403775;1455302409;*;danielpbarron has a bottle of Don Julio blanco tequila, just had a home made tequila sunrise 1403776;1455302495;danielpbarron;fresh squeezed oranage (not that bottled crap) 1403777;1455302570;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: a thread from 3 years ago >>>> http://hollandshielding.com/219-Transparent_EMI_shielded_windows_displays_and_foils 1403778;1455302571;assbot;Transparent EMI/RFI/EMC shielded windows/displays and foils ... ( http://bit.ly/20ZzTI9 ) 1403779;1455302571;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1403780;1455302684;asciilifeform;(vendor picked at random, apparently this is a commonplace product) 1403781;1455302817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68497 @ 0.00056121 = 38.4412 BTC [+] {2} 1403782;1455302892;mats;http://www.eweek.com/security/pwn2own-hacking-contest-returns-as-joint-hpe-trend-micro-effort.html 'While Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome and Apple Safari are targets, Firefox isn't because it's apparently too easy and not keeping up with modern security: "'We wanted to focus on the browsers that have made serious security improvements in the last year,' Brian 1403783;1455302894;assbot;Pwn2Own Hacking Contest Returns as Joint HPE-Trend Micro Effort ... ( http://bit.ly/20ZAhGy ) 1403784;1455302894;mats;Gorenc, manager of Vulnerability Research at HPE said."' 1403785;1455302913;mats;even better when you remember the tor browser bundle is built on top of firefox 1403786;1455303056;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i have tasked $admin with procuring milagro cointreau and fresh lime juice for the entirely made up national margarita day 1403787;1455304220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81303 @ 0.00056304 = 45.7768 BTC [+] 1403788;1455304363;danielpbarron;i had a great margarita the other day at a local mexican resaurant; guy squeezed a lime infront of me (which is remarkable in these parts where most others use a "margarita mix") 1403789;1455304930;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/open-europe-closing/ 1403790;1455304932;assbot;Open Europe Closing | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1mxayWc ) 1403791;1455305186;mats;I wonder how many pieces of the eu/eurozone will be part of the caliphate in a few decades 1403792;1455305294;asciilifeform;all of it, in'shallah. 1403793;1455305303;BingoBoingo;Probably the nordic ones mostly. 1403794;1455306803;punkman;"Since 1995, people have been able to cross borders among Schengen Area member countries without document checks." myeah, right 1403795;1455307261;punkman;https://www.rt.com/news/332243-athens-farmers-clash-police/ 1403796;1455307262;assbot;800 Greek farmers storm Agriculture Ministry in Athens, police fire tear gas (VIDEO) — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0aUzN ) 1403797;1455307285;jurov;mircea_popescu: mpex proxy 23.235.235.113 has time skew -4 hours, causing havoc 1403798;1455307377;jurov;if the attacker wanted me to lose much time and nerves, he couldn't do much better... 1403799;1455307453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222798 @ 0.00055448 = 123.537 BTC [-] {3} 1403800;1455307462;jurov;!up Guest9440533 1403801;1455307478;jurov;... 1403802;1455307787;BingoBoingo;So persistent, yet notrly 1403803;1455308185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76938 @ 0.00055379 = 42.6075 BTC [-] {2} 1403804;1455308303;BingoBoingo;!up zuardi 1403805;1455309522;BingoBoingo;Delusion https://i.imgur.com/3Gg3Y2q.jpg 1403806;1455309522;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfVl7w ) 1403807;1455309536;BingoBoingo;"Bubbles" 1403808;1455309832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126593 @ 0.00055327 = 70.0401 BTC [-] {3} 1403809;1455310076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00055319 = 24.4233 BTC [-] 1403810;1455311113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124500 @ 0.00055676 = 69.3166 BTC [+] {3} 1403811;1455311967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69399 @ 0.00055299 = 38.377 BTC [-] {3} 1403812;1455312089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00056023 = 32.1852 BTC [+] {2} 1403813;1455312247;BingoBoingo;!up princessnell 1403814;1455312289;princessnell;ty bb. hiya all. 1403815;1455312333;BingoBoingo;Hello princessnell, welcome back 1403816;1455312349;princessnell;check out this goonery: https://medium.com/@brucefenton/holding-ourselves-to-a-higher-standard-seven-steps-to-mitigate-the-human-flaws-in-our-bitcoin-4197b7c0fa24#.6s1hcfm49 1403817;1455312350;assbot;Holding Ourselves to a Higher Standard — Seven Steps to Mitigate the Human Flaws in our Bitcoin… — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/20QC5oE ) 1403818;1455312508;BingoBoingo;Interesting, princessnell Do you want to qntra up a bit on the retardedness of conduct codes or should I do it? 1403819;1455312561;BingoBoingo;princessnell: Also you got quite a few qntra shares, maybe get a hold of jurov about claiming them? 1403820;1455312587;BingoBoingo;If you haven't already 1403821;1455312599;princessnell;i don't know what the second question means, but for the first take it away 1403822;1455312618;princessnell;oh shares is a noun 1403823;1455312631;princessnell;i guess i'll do that 1403824;1455312631;jurov;you want to donate me ~4BTC? 1403825;1455312681;jurov;:) 1403826;1455312692;princessnell;i am very out of the loop 1403827;1455312708;BingoBoingo;princessnell: Seriously if you claim them now It's a serious amount of BTC. 1403828;1455312721;princessnell;how do i claim them? 1403829;1455312751;jurov;princessnell: make a gpg signed request to transfer them to mpex account or coinbr account 1403830;1455312763;princessnell;so i guess you get shares by contributing articles. and i wrote one or two things so i have shares. 1403831;1455312777;jurov;you have 15k shares, lemme dig it 1403832;1455312780;BingoBoingo;princessnell: Yeah. You have about 15 kiloshares 1403833;1455312785;mats;geez, the one thing princessnell wrote is worth 4btc? 1403834;1455312799;mats;http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-antonopolous-testifies-before-canadian-senate-committee is a lot of words i guess 1403835;1455312801;assbot;Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian Senate Committee | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PsbLsx ) 1403836;1455312801;princessnell;i say it's worth more 1403837;1455312817;BingoBoingo;http://mpex.site/?mpsic=S.QNTR << current market for the shares 1403838;1455312819;assbot;S.QNTR last 83733@0.00042023 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PsbKVm ) 1403839;1455312834;princessnell;ok, i'll do that when i get home. thanks for filling me in. 1403840;1455312836;*;mats scribbles a note to write for qntra 1403841;1455312874;BingoBoingo;mats: It was the early history, but yes it seems people value the words a lot 1403842;1455312984;BingoBoingo;Prolly not doing any more transcripts like that again. 1403843;1455313248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161504 @ 0.00055662 = 89.8964 BTC [-] {2} 1403844;1455313492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146550 @ 0.00055242 = 80.9572 BTC [-] {5} 1403845;1455313759;ben_vulpes;princessnell: isn't bruce fenton a child molestor or some such? 1403846;1455313857;princessnell;ben_vulpes i had never heard this 1403847;1455313881;ben_vulpes;"If we add up the value of the hours spent on it, we’re in the tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars." << not me, not anyone here. lookee at how much we've saved by not giving any credence at all to the brain damage! 1403848;1455313904;princessnell;maybe you are thinking of brock pierce? but i thought he was the molestee. 1403849;1455313908;ben_vulpes;ah 1403850;1455313910;ben_vulpes;mebbe that 1403851;1455313948;ben_vulpes;"We don't care...who was morally wrong." << i do. 1403852;1455313999;ben_vulpes;"respect and acknowledge that their concerns are valid, even if you disagree" << hyu hyu hyu yes please by all means try to hold two entirely contradictory notions in your head at the same time 1403853;1455313999;BingoBoingo;!up qntranet 1403854;1455314048;ben_vulpes;eh fuggit who cares about barbarians outside of the wot 1403855;1455314060;ben_vulpes;none of y'alls concerns matter. 1403856;1455314136;asciilifeform;!up princessnell 1403857;1455314146;princessnell;ty 1403858;1455314168;ben_vulpes;> "non binding pledge" << ahaha ayyy lmao 1403859;1455314183;princessnell;my favorite is his advice to write your feelings in a letter and tear it up to get everything off your chest. good lord man, get a hold of yourself. 1403860;1455314212;ben_vulpes;yeah that's p amusing 1403861;1455314216;ben_vulpes;hey how've you been princessnell 1403862;1455314226;ben_vulpes;and what brings you back around? 1403863;1455314315;princessnell;been well. yourself? fork nonsense brought me back. also i love the characters here. 1403864;1455314454;danielpbarron;who is your favorite character? 1403865;1455314465;danielpbarron;!up Reydev 1403866;1455314485;princessnell;you're up there, don't worry 1403867;1455314489;danielpbarron;awww <3 1403868;1455314921;ben_vulpes;princessnell: had a kid, so that's eating up a huge amount of previously discretionary time 1403869;1455315007;danielpbarron;>> Express your issues << people showing signs of running issue should be sent outside the camp for 7 days, and not let back until the issue is no more 1403870;1455315015;princessnell;wow! :D congrats, that is amazing! i am so happy for you 1403871;1455315015;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1403872;1455315021;princessnell;thank you assbot 1403873;1455315044;princessnell;i am hoping to have wee ones soon as well. i will be wed in september so after that we're off. 1403874;1455315058;ben_vulpes;congratulations to yourself as well 1403875;1455315119;ben_vulpes;may your offspring beat mean reversion as frequently as is statistically likely 1403876;1455315141;princessnell;you are too kind 1403877;1455315213;mats;lol 1403878;1455315256;jurov;!b 3 1403879;1455315257;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JMH6JZ.txt ) 1403880;1455315282;Reydev;!register 7CCB395483FDDC68A7E7B70E7CA40926D6E34EAD 1403881;1455315282;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 7CCB395483FDDC68A7E7B70E7CA40926D6E34EAD. This may take a few moments. 1403882;1455315283;assbot;Key D6E34EAD / "Reydev (.) " successfully imported. 1403883;1455315283;assbot;Registration successful. 1403884;1455315306;princessnell;i'm out. bye friends. 1403885;1455315337;asciilifeform;'1). Make a decision to let go of the past technical issues. We don’t care whose fault it was, who broke protocol, who harmed who’s feelings or egos, who lied or who was technically or morally wrong. The time has come to move on. We can start fresh and work together to prevent or react to any new human issues.' << ahahahah pure gold 1403886;1455315343;jurov;!rate Reydev 1 new blood (or milk, whatevs) 1403887;1455315343;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e6bf926d05455a98 1403888;1455315344;asciilifeform;'we' 1403889;1455315381;danielpbarron;oh yeah, the "rich list" guy 1403890;1455315384;asciilifeform;'let go' of the liars, the shitgnomes, aha, right. 1403891;1455315402;jurov;!v assbot:jurov.rate.Reydev.1:0a3dae57bca1f1eaaca5944fdf5ac6a44c264efff13a62406fa37afbaf90fa5f 1403892;1455315402;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Reydev with note: new blood (or milk, whatevs) 1403893;1455315421;danielpbarron;jurov gets to be the rating slut this time :D 1403894;1455315424;jurov;Reydev: you can now voice yourself with assbot 1403895;1455315458;jurov;maybe he'll go into eulora and work for me :P 1403896;1455315464;danielpbarron;we sure need it 1403897;1455315474;danielpbarron;i have work queued up! 1403898;1455315486;danielpbarron;i missed fghj the other day 1403899;1455315507;jurov;!up ahmedbodi 1403900;1455315604;danielpbarron;ahmedbodi, how's -OTC these days? 1403901;1455315666;ben_vulpes;fghj lol 1403902;1455315687;danielpbarron;'Nidhogg' 1403903;1455315705;asciilifeform;from amazon review of conductive paint q&a: 'How to prevent the disturbing from the uper floor of my appartment? They may use Prism200.' 1403904;1455315726;asciilifeform;then i wonder wtf is 'prism200', and lo and behold, vendor www: http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/prism-200 1403905;1455315727;assbot;Prism 200 | Cambridge Consultants ... ( http://bit.ly/1obo3g8 ) 1403906;1455315783;asciilifeform;mega-pr0duct 1403907;1455315928;ben_vulpes;man i want to hack on radar 1403908;1455316177;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: anything in particular in mind ? 1403909;1455316237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42450 @ 0.00056305 = 23.9015 BTC [+] 1403910;1455316885;shinohai;Not radar ben_vulpes but this is fun to hack on: http://www.astronaut.ru/bookcase/prog.htm 1403911;1455316885;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1obrnrD ) 1403912;1455317152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00056305 = 7.2633 BTC [+] 1403913;1455317170;shinohai;O.o the *real* pete_dushenski 1403914;1455317171;pete_dushenski;ahhh good to be back 1403915;1455317198;pete_dushenski;!unrate mats 1403916;1455317198;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ad75876b5345660f 1403917;1455317224;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.mats:a1912dbe7cf94c852c65b36334b49fd156aa2c6b96ae5d7e36d512953a80e630 1403918;1455317225;assbot;Successfully unrated mats 1403919;1455317250;pete_dushenski;^in light of his continued efforts. 1403920;1455317274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176500 @ 0.00056447 = 99.629 BTC [+] {3} 1403921;1455317312;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/Q4WwK << lulz from recent contravex commenter. a rehash of our logs from about a year ago posted on derpstalk. kinda cheeky. 1403922;1455317313;assbot;#bitcoin-bassets logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1obsAzd ) 1403923;1455317464;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: low cost implementations, jamming, longstanding fascination with MEMS, balloons, whole buncha half-thought-through stuff in the vein 1403924;1455317522;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-02-2016#1402777 << my 'rusty benz' is infrastructure exactly like asciilifeform's z80s are infrastructure. take that fwiw but i dun really see the applicability. 1403925;1455317522;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 13:44:45; asciilifeform: if pete_d's benz then it also yes! 1403926;1455317537;pete_dushenski;tho 'lord of the vehicles' has a ring to it. 1403927;1455317583;asciilifeform;my rusty z80s are infrastructure?! 1403928;1455317584;asciilifeform;l0l! 1403929;1455317591;BingoBoingo;But for that you need plurality pete_dushenski 1403930;1455317613;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, lolol this lawg is wonderful 1403931;1455317614;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: he prolly has enough spare parts to make a 2nd 1403932;1455317642;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: ikr! 1403933;1455317656;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: as you do with z80! 1403934;1455317729;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: but no, neither of our rusty side-fascinations are 'infrastructure'. that was the point. 1403935;1455317832;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/12/setting-the-date-to-1-january-1970-will-brick-your-iphone-ipad-or-ipod-touch dat infrastruxture 1403936;1455317833;assbot;Setting the date to 1 January 1970 will brick your iPhone, iPad or iPod touch | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlHrfg ) 1403937;1455317870;danielpbarron;andwhythismeansyou'restupidpooranduseless.htm (2553 words) <<< hahahah i'm laughing so hard 1403938;1455317884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201759 @ 0.00056895 = 114.7908 BTC [+] {4} 1403939;1455317887;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403627 << wowza 1403940;1455317887;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 16:54:06; assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 83733 @ 0.00042023 = 35.1871 BTC [+] 1403941;1455317889;shinohai;pete_dushenski: how ya like this? I thought of your benz and the diplomatic flags when I made it. 1403942;1455317894;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/osHnFzS.jpg?2 1403943;1455317895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlHxDu ) 1403944;1455317928;pete_dushenski;shinohai: cattack! 1403945;1455318016;pete_dushenski;"The date bug affects iPhones, iPads and iPod touches with 64-bit processors running iOS 8 or iOS 9, including the iPhone 5S or newer, the iPad Air, iPad mini 2 or the 2015 sixth generation iPod touch or newer." << or why iphone 5 with os6 was last iphone. 1403946;1455318045;pete_dushenski;which is exactly what i use as an ipod, it so happens 1403947;1455318106;mod6;!rate hanbot 4 Wonderful help testing TRB. 1403948;1455318106;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0d66340b173959c4 1403949;1455318117;shinohai;>.> 1403950;1455318118;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403859 << abe lincoln style 1403951;1455318118;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 21:56:23; princessnell: my favorite is his advice to write your feelings in a letter and tear it up to get everything off your chest. good lord man, get a hold of yourself. 1403952;1455318127;mod6;!rate ben_vulpes 5 The Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair 1403953;1455318127;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/905653adafb2fba6 1403954;1455318146;mod6;!rate jurov 4 Great work for The Bitcoin Foundation. 1403955;1455318146;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8ed1b7bba767b4ce 1403956;1455318150;shinohai;I saw that too lol. is Bitcoin tumblr now? 1403957;1455318156;danielpbarron;hey i have exactly an iPhone 5 running iOS 8 1403958;1455318165;mod6;!rate asciilifeform 4 Many arms. Outstanding work on The Bitcoin Foundation. 1403959;1455318165;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/dcf9180abe9d1e8a 1403960;1455318183;mod6;!rate trinque 3 deedbot. Great work testing & Development for TRB. 1403961;1455318183;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ce28388d7504b8dd 1403962;1455318248;mod6;!rate thestringpuller 3 Helped test TRB. 1403963;1455318249;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8ef701980c51641b 1403964;1455318254;danielpbarron;heh, did my post-winter WoT cleaning inspire a trend? 1403965;1455318266;mod6;!rate shinohai 2 Very responsive and helpful testing of TRB & V. 1403966;1455318266;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e46fe88c5fcb426c 1403967;1455318288;shinohai;Loagradesco muchissimo 1403968;1455318288;mod6;!rate punkman 2 Development for TRB. 1403969;1455318288;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/78aa680c10fc2385 1403970;1455318310;mod6;!rate tomservo 2 Built TRB node. 1403971;1455318310;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4648d9f4c000ebf2 1403972;1455318327;mod6;!rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian. Nice help testing TRB & b-a wiki. 1403973;1455318327;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/49a1ef518dd0def6 1403974;1455318342;mod6;!rate peterl 1 Built TRB node. 1403975;1455318342;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f116b5c2ae5ba1eb 1403976;1455318358;danielpbarron;or wait, i think i have iOS 7, or how do i even check? 1403977;1455318358;mod6;!rate phf 1 Nice development work on TRB. 1403978;1455318358;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5eabef6a79b21d8c 1403979;1455318376;mod6;!rate bingoboingo 1 Qntra 1403980;1455318376;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/64c70689fa94787e 1403981;1455318391;mod6;!rate diana_coman 2 Eulorian. Great work on FoxyBot. 1403982;1455318391;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0e36a4e52193280c 1403983;1455318410;mod6;!rate gernika 1 Nice work testing TRB & V. 1403984;1455318410;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/30068e290074b6c4 1403985;1455318414;danielpbarron;I think the correct term for Eulora players is 'Euloran' even though the original bezzle-bag says 'Eulorian' 1403986;1455318426;mod6;!rate pete_dushenski 2 Built TRB node & helps test. Runs contravex.com a TMSR related blog. 1403987;1455318426;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/182ae0e761ef5c8e 1403988;1455318434;mod6;danielpbarron: ah, noted 1403989;1455318449;danielpbarron;wouldn't be the only mispelling of items. see: ennumeration (should be enumeration) 1403990;1455318449;mod6;sorry for all the noise. 1403991;1455318488;mod6;!rate kakobrekla 3 assbot, #b-a, BitBet. 1403992;1455318488;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/45dc491dd48b9665 1403993;1455318492;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: to check ios version, go to general > about. 1403994;1455318503;danielpbarron;i did that, which thing on the list is it? 1403995;1455318505;pete_dushenski;mod6: salud ;) 1403996;1455318529;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: 'version' 1403997;1455318530;danielpbarron;i have Version : 8.4 1403998;1455318646;mod6;!rate funkenstein_ 2 Testing & Development of TRB 1403999;1455318646;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/62f2b22de43684c3 1404000;1455318654;mod6;pete_dushenski: o7 1404001;1455318844;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403022 << almost as cool as this ridiculous ruskiemobile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7n00Xx38o 1404002;1455318844;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 21:06:41; ben_vulpes: http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/uaz-452-52#currency=USD 1404003;1455318845;assbot;ШЕРП / SHERP / Вездеход Алексея Гарагашьяна - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlIDPF ) 1404004;1455318919;shinohai;V is coming: http://www.usanetwork.com/sites/usanetwork/files/colony_blog_v.jpg 1404005;1455318920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlIL1t ) 1404006;1455319009;mod6;haha 1404007;1455319121;asciilifeform;i found, near $rupturefarm... of all things: 'ural' dealership ! 1404008;1455319280;shinohai;mentiras 1404009;1455319623;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403138 << lo! this was the EXACT pseudo-pete-as-puppeteer conversation between girl and little guy in airport when he tried first french fry. "why do you guys eat anything other than this, it's the best!" 1404010;1455319623;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 22:43:14; asciilifeform: more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake 1404011;1455319666;*;pete_dushenski is very guilty of giving voice and personality to le petit monsieur. it's too fun not to! 1404012;1455319698;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.hanbot.4:1daa337f8f77aaeac430f462864a87b21ddc140fa0f8384592242fb781340fde 1404013;1455319698;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1404014;1455319714;mod6;o.O 1404015;1455319749;jurov;copymalefication 1404016;1455319769;pete_dushenski;plus, he can say all kinds of things i couldn't. and when a 5-month old says inappropriate things it's funny! it's like our own personal 'kids say the darndest things' 1404017;1455319774;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.ben_vulpes.5:6bcbdeb89c6873b927a52143a7bb1b2164869be0ff9384e0573edb860a27edb5 1404018;1455319774;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1404019;1455319791;mod6;what in the fuck 1404020;1455319817;shinohai;^happend to mp last night 1404021;1455319822;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.hanbot.4:1daa337f8f77aaeac430f462864a87b21ddc140fa0f8384592242fb781340fde 1404022;1455319823;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1404023;1455319837;danielpbarron;might have expired? 1404024;1455319853;mod6;these don't expire do they? that way they can be done async 1404025;1455319866;danielpbarron;it takes like 10 minutes if i'm not mistaken, but yeah they expire 1404026;1455319872;mod6;no way really? 1404027;1455319877;shinohai;they expire for me like in ~10-15 1404028;1455319897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00056764 = 66.9815 BTC [-] {4} 1404029;1455319903;pete_dushenski;mod6: pretty sure it's 15 min max 1404030;1455319907;mod6;ugh fail 1404031;1455319912;danielpbarron;don't worry you don't have to spam again, the !rate part can be done in private and then you can do the verification in here 1404032;1455319932;danielpbarron;or both private even, but i think people like to see at least one of them 1404033;1455319944;shinohai;I have a shitty bash script to do it quickly, generates qrs too ^^ 1404034;1455319956;mod6;i do all of this async 1404035;1455319963;mod6;so it sucks for me to have only 15 minutes. 1404036;1455319984;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403151 << anyone who wants to give up 'vacationing' is advised to have kids. it becomes 'travelling'. perhaps as it should be. 1404037;1455319984;assbot;Logged on 11-02-2016 22:48:16; mircea_popescu: vacation fucking sucks. 1404038;1455320166;BingoBoingo;mod6: thermal printer and laser scanner? 1404039;1455320187;pete_dushenski;bbias. drink time. 1404040;1455320267;jurov;dunno why is kako so paranoid. next thing, submit too fast, get banned. 1404041;1455320288;kakobrekla;l0l 1404042;1455320316;BingoBoingo;Kako has to be paranoid enough to get cookies without mp finding out kako got cookies 1404043;1455320358;kakobrekla;yeah 15 minutes time window iirc 1404044;1455320375;kakobrekla;noone complained, yet. 1404045;1455320599;notdeedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/02/bruce-fenton-proposes-historical-revisionism/ 1404046;1455320600;assbot;Bruce Fenton Proposes Historical Revisionism | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlLVlW ) 1404047;1455320689;gernika;thanks mod6! 1404048;1455320711;BingoBoingo;http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/boden/extra-har-intraffade-mordforsoket-9861329.aspx << Anyone know Swedish? Apparently seems to be the datacenter some KNCminer shit is at. 1404049;1455320712;assbot;"Mordförsöket inträffade i serverhallen" - Boden - NSD.se ... ( http://bit.ly/1LlM7BI ) 1404050;1455320817;mod6;gernika: haha, don't thank me yet. 1404051;1455320821;*;mod6 has to beat the clock. 1404052;1455320830;gernika;heh yeah just read the rest of the log. fingers crossed :) 1404053;1455320920;BingoBoingo;Apparently a 20 something was stabbed by a 40 something, and machine translations swedish to english suck hamplanet fold mold 1404054;1455321721;jurov;in other news from russia, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i63cgUeSsY0 1404055;1455321722;assbot;LITTLE BIG - BIG DICK - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdT5is ) 1404056;1455321916;jurov;!up pussyfreak 1404057;1455321930;jurov;pussyfreak: pussy or gtfo 1404058;1455322232;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.punkman.2:8837d14c548ebdf68c7a4e63aaccf70e9193437adba910ba4d1cac344322f2e4 1404059;1455322232;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for punkman from 1 to 2 with note: Development for TRB. 1404060;1455322235;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.tomservo.2:a1dd9a1349396fd979814b2bee0aa538a1a92c33156b1943435fb2f847a9337c 1404061;1455322236;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for tomservo from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node. 1404062;1455322239;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.thestringpuller.3:dd385b5f642e94a8d590a76f17544af687292c0255ed0bedc2d9de43cace1e55 1404063;1455322239;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 3 with note: Helped test TRB. 1404064;1455322242;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.kakobrekla.3:f2c03e62e7e9f568aa113ee30a0151245e3e909477bb23a70a528d92e4d8f147 1404065;1455322242;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 2 to 3 with note: assbot, #b-a, BitBet. 1404066;1455322242;shinohai;o/ pussyfreak 1404067;1455322245;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.4:8e150e7cf634c7b2740e4458ae06d3b1c158f34b999b70c1954e184747d7525f 1404068;1455322245;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 3 to 4 with note: Many arms. Outstanding work on The Bitcoin Foundation. 1404069;1455322248;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.trinque.3:31cb4cad4f5998532501f9d12b66bb7665b131b4bec63497daab66203ec3e47d 1404070;1455322248;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for trinque from 2 to 3 with note: deedbot. Great work testing & Development for TRB. 1404071;1455322251;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.pete_dushenski.2:749b964df90c174897a527e519c215abf1c0b9533284dd606b60ff9ff3d321f6 1404072;1455322251;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for pete_dushenski from 1 to 2 with note: Built TRB node & helps test. Runs contravex.com a TMSR related blog. 1404073;1455322254;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.gernika.1:eeca7591d0cfb43c9a69d806d5ccc0126c2692cf72f3219e23bdb866b6e1872b 1404074;1455322254;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gernika with note: Nice work testing TRB & V. 1404075;1455322257;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.ben_vulpes.5:dcede2b704f584b4b676ece0086b930701f4c8164ed03b908c92a955abea048c 1404076;1455322257;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for ben_vulpes from 4 to 5 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Co-Chair 1404077;1455322260;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.shinohai.2:f6a1d18c4edd4d5d131cd4aa14de8e3bf70b7905f94a41da72cdb868b3932ae7 1404078;1455322260;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from 1 to 2 with note: Very responsive and helpful testing of TRB & V. 1404079;1455322262;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.phf.1:17065042ddd310a621707cca7f13724870eb3e841d87c6fc751a893096622ae6 1404080;1455322262;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: Nice development work on TRB. 1404081;1455322265;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.hanbot.4:31528d0c57e75969cfdf63a7e3708cd30486bbd41ff6683b502105e73b1edb74 1404082;1455322266;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 3 to 4 with note: Wonderful help testing TRB. 1404083;1455322269;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.funkenstein_.2:86362f322be014f6beab010b2e26bcd221853f6634af88a22333f4ec8eacf094 1404084;1455322269;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: Testing & Development of TRB. 1404085;1455322272;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.bingoboingo.1:1e09a8db65100757db37af2db041277edb4a290c7f950d32ea24edf964a4715d 1404086;1455322272;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for bingoboingo with note: Qntra 1404087;1455322275;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.peterl.1:796c27aceaeff6cbfb28650bcc5faa004902ea4a50032d45fea1bd1a1f1a3b57 1404088;1455322275;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for peterl with note: Built TRB node. 1404089;1455322278;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.danielpbarron.2:c0d41af2c7652809a6b0337a0977af937ec4c1057bd83fb72e7ce99364fb13af 1404090;1455322278;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian. Nice help testing TRB & b-a wiki. 1404091;1455322281;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.diana_coman.2:5a1bd608ade6adb03df95a4528b07b48d47bab34333756c8107d76ff18cd2def 1404092;1455322281;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian. Great work on FoxyBot. 1404093;1455322284;mod6;!v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.4:b7f1717022980331e564e975e547c6d239f44a44e74770f688ea22f7e2f8f5f6 1404094;1455322284;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 3 to 4 with note: Great work for The Bitcoin Foundation. 1404095;1455322291;shinohai;\o/ 1404096;1455322298;mod6;*whew* 1404097;1455322306;jurov;! bash 99 1404098;1455322309;jurov;jkjk 1404099;1455322317;kakobrekla;it appears 15 min is enough actually :D 1404100;1455322335;mod6;"are you sure you want to paste 18 lines?" "mhmm" 1404101;1455322380;mod6;i got my otp's from assbot in pm @ exactly 00:00 1404102;1455322390;mod6;took me ~12 minutes and i went as fast as I could. 1404103;1455322403;kakobrekla;15>12 1404104;1455322403;mod6;included a script too. 1404105;1455322427;mod6;anyway. no worries. 1404106;1455322431;jurov;yo, assbot likes it fast 1404107;1455322433;shinohai;It proves assbot is a robust one 1404108;1455322438;kakobrekla;lulz 1404109;1455322441;mod6;lol @ jurov 1404110;1455322485;kakobrekla;but seriously i can make it go slower if theres an actual need for this 1404111;1455322531;mod6;i think ~normally~ 15 minutes is probably plenty. but for me, i wait a while before updating ratings, so trying to do a pile of them at once isn't a good idea. 1404112;1455322548;mod6;i should break it up, and do them in chunks 1404113;1455324797;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403766 << no, reserved for black people, teenagers and women now. actual achievement is oppressive. 1404114;1455324797;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 18:35:32; funkenstein_: it matches my unverified simulations. can i haz noble prize? 1404115;1455324817;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403767 <<< prev rating was a - ftr. 1404116;1455324817;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 18:35:57; ben_vulpes: what'd adlai do this time? i didn't see anything notably lulzy in the logs... 1404117;1455324891;ben_vulpes;assumptions are showing 1404118;1455324893;ben_vulpes;mine, that is 1404119;1455324937;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403778 << wtf bs is that. 1404120;1455324937;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 18:42:51; assbot: Transparent EMI/RFI/EMC shielded windows/displays and foils ... ( http://bit.ly/20ZzTI9 ) 1404121;1455324962;mircea_popescu;lcd screen recalibrating quantum magnets for less gasoline consumption, same place ? 1404122;1455325077;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403785 << the lulziest part there is that there's this entire subculture of tor punks. 1404123;1455325077;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 18:48:33; mats: even better when you remember the tor browser bundle is built on top of firefox 1404124;1455325122;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403791 << i would expect all of the sandvaginated area. 1404125;1455325122;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 19:26:26; mats: I wonder how many pieces of the eu/eurozone will be part of the caliphate in a few decades 1404126;1455325150;mircea_popescu;spain, france, the south of england, "italy" whatever that means, western austria, southwestern germany etc. 1404127;1455325196;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403793 << arabs do not care for the cold. russia exists as a going concern principally for this reason. 1404128;1455325196;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 19:28:23; BingoBoingo: Probably the nordic ones mostly. 1404129;1455325217;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403797 << sorry about that. 1404130;1455325217;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 20:01:25; jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex proxy 23.235.235.113 has time skew -4 hours, causing havoc 1404131;1455325257;mircea_popescu;in other news, why is princessnell bombing inept douches off medium in here ? 1404132;1455325289;mircea_popescu;if you're going to link whores, please a) no traps ; b) pictures not words and c) tits on display at a minimum. 1404133;1455325352;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403836 << well in a world where gawker pays one stick of bubblegum per piece, it's a hard argument to make. 1404134;1455325352;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 21:33:21; princessnell: i say it's worth more 1404135;1455325387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403847 << tmsr. not only spending on deficit, but also saving millions on other people's [mostly mental] deficits. 1404136;1455325387;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 21:51:21; ben_vulpes: "If we add up the value of the hours spent on it, we’re in the tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars." << not me, not anyone here. lookee at how much we've saved by not giving any credence at all to the brain damage! 1404137;1455325411;jurov;mircea_popescu: it gets weirder, that proxy reports unix time normally, and humanreadable time 4 hrs off 1404138;1455325445;jurov;in statjson output 1404139;1455325466;mircea_popescu;jurov human readable time is a mess sadly. 1404140;1455325478;mircea_popescu;this is of course not my fault. and fixing it is not trivial. and so on. 1404141;1455325485;mircea_popescu;but... working on it. 1404142;1455325503;mircea_popescu;https://i.imgur.com/3Gg3Y2q.jpg <<< i wish to donate a hundred lashes, where can i ? 1404143;1455325504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfVl7w ) 1404144;1455325541;punkman;what's so special about human-readable 1404145;1455325548;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403870 << hm why does she sound like you touched a nerve ?! 1404146;1455325548;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 22:10:15; princessnell: wow! :D congrats, that is amazing! i am so happy for you 1404147;1455325629;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403885 << "we haven't learned anything from the previous beating and pledge to continue as before. because we really enjoy taking beatings." 1404148;1455325629;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 22:15:37; asciilifeform: '1). Make a decision to let go of the past technical issues. We don’t care whose fault it was, who broke protocol, who harmed who’s feelings or egos, who lied or who was technically or morally wrong. The time has come to move on. We can start fresh and work together to prevent or react to any new human issues.' << ahahahah pure gold 1404149;1455325640;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i suppose some do. the wall ain't going anywhere, so by all means. 1404150;1455325822;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403935 << i wonder if i can do this via trilema. 1404151;1455325822;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 22:57:12; jurov: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/12/setting-the-date-to-1-january-1970-will-brick-your-iphone-ipad-or-ipod-touch dat infrastruxture 1404152;1455326102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404011 << i thought your kid was a yearling ?! he speaks ? 1404153;1455326102;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:27:46; *: pete_dushenski is very guilty of giving voice and personality to le petit monsieur. it's too fun not to! 1404154;1455326190;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404020 << in fairness it was because i left the lasrt character out. 1404155;1455326190;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:30:17; shinohai: ^happend to mp last night 1404156;1455326195;ben_vulpes;mine just started responding to ripping paper in half 1404157;1455326201;ben_vulpes;turn one thing into two, merriment ensues 1404158;1455326202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404026 << yes. 1404159;1455326202;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:31:12; mod6: no way really? 1404160;1455326231;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's a pretty good trick! give him spaghetti too 1404161;1455326267;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404040 << they hafta expire ffs. 1404162;1455326267;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:37:47; jurov: dunno why is kako so paranoid. next thing, submit too fast, get banned. 1404163;1455326270;ben_vulpes;hah i'll definitely try that 1404164;1455326277;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404044 << no it's good. 1404165;1455326277;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:39:35; kakobrekla: noone complained, yet. 1404166;1455326281;ben_vulpes;i think he really enjoys the ripping noise too 1404167;1455326286;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404119 << claims to be fine nickel (?) mesh in plastic film 1404168;1455326286;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 00:55:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403778 << wtf bs is that. 1404169;1455326308;asciilifeform;i'm about to buy various, test... 1404170;1455326324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the finer the mesh, the worse the result. 1404171;1455326353;mircea_popescu;and if you're going to do fine, who the fuck does nickel. 1404172;1455326367;asciilifeform;depends on freq 1404173;1455326427;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404121 << yes apparently there is this whole subculture of rf 'allergy' crackpots 1404174;1455326427;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 00:56:02; mircea_popescu: lcd screen recalibrating quantum magnets for less gasoline consumption, same place ? 1404175;1455326538;mircea_popescu;i don't have the curves in my head, but i am still willing to bet nickel does not shine in any range 1404176;1455326556;asciilifeform;cost. 1404177;1455326564;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo, fine mesh. 1404178;1455326590;mircea_popescu;0.1g platinum is cheaper than whatever that retails for. 1404179;1455326610;asciilifeform;woven in film?! 1404180;1455326619;mircea_popescu;i imagine they print it. 1404181;1455326661;mircea_popescu;but yes. because nothing is as ductile as gold/platinum/lead etc. 1404182;1455326669;mircea_popescu;1g of gold is what, 1 sq m by hand ? 1404183;1455326744;asciilifeform;then perforate with laser... 1404184;1455326752;asciilifeform;fuck mesh 1404185;1455326759;mircea_popescu;aha. 1404186;1455326771;mircea_popescu;actually, i would expect either indium or thalium would be what you would want on the basis of em considerations. 1404187;1455326790;asciilifeform;but i wanna measure the extant crud 1404188;1455326799;mircea_popescu;please do. 1404189;1455326806;asciilifeform;waiwut??! 1404190;1455326815;asciilifeform;thallium??! 1404191;1455326817;asciilifeform;why 1404192;1455326851;mircea_popescu;because immense excitation cross-section ? 1404193;1455326865;mircea_popescu;esp to low energy electrons 1404194;1455326936;asciilifeform;conductivity is normally what you want in a shield 1404195;1455326965;*;asciilifeform bbl 1404196;1455327002;mircea_popescu;i would expect, on the basis of sheer guesswork, that if you want to make fine mesh shields as opposed to a traditional, 2mm thick cage, that you would want various quantum and other side effects ratgher than straight conductivity. 1404197;1455327018;mircea_popescu;because of the fucking impedance in thin fillaments and other considerations, your shit will never work as a straight conductor. 1404198;1455327078;mircea_popescu;and for stuff like electron drift velocity, thallium is up there with fucking mercury. 1404199;1455327142;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404057 << i didn't know you swung that way! 1404200;1455327142;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 00:05:30; jurov: pussyfreak: pussy or gtfo 1404201;1455327165;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404091 << btw how's mining mod6 ? :D 1404202;1455327165;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 00:11:21; mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.diana_coman.2:5a1bd608ade6adb03df95a4528b07b48d47bab34333756c8107d76ff18cd2def 1404203;1455327324;mircea_popescu;in very scary fucking news that will scar you for the rest of the day, so don't look! http://45.media.tumblr.com/3df51e27518fa30b33762a529d9fdad1/tumblr_noajqyXfXP1uu92gho1_400.gif 1404204;1455327325;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxAcHy ) 1404205;1455327403;mod6;bath time! 1404206;1455327432;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404026 << yes. << somehow mis-remembered this. 1404207;1455327432;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 23:31:12; mod6: no way really? 1404208;1455327444;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404091 << btw how's mining mod6 ? :D << lol 1404209;1455327445;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 00:11:21; mod6: !v assbot:mod6.rate.diana_coman.2:5a1bd608ade6adb03df95a4528b07b48d47bab34333756c8107d76ff18cd2def 1404210;1455327461;mircea_popescu;you know they found the actual mining skill 1404211;1455327486;mod6;really? 1404212;1455327490;mircea_popescu;yea 1404213;1455327498;mircea_popescu;i paid 2mn for one. 1404214;1455327501;mod6;i miss playing. i gotta get back in there one of these times. 1404215;1455327502;mircea_popescu;diana has them 1404216;1455327515;mod6;cool 1404217;1455327520;mircea_popescu;it's not too bad with the foxybot, can go the whole day on 10 minute's attention 1404218;1455327546;mod6;that's great actually. i should just set-it-and-forget-it. 1404219;1455327611;mircea_popescu;i do a lot of that. set it to do say 30 suspect ointments, it's good for 20 hours 1404220;1455327642;punkman;speaking of shields https://github.com/kristinpaget/GuardBunny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGcykuhfcQA 1404221;1455327643;assbot;GitHub - kristinpaget/GuardBunny: Files for GuardBunny, an RFID shield presented at Shmoocon 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIqgGt ) 1404222;1455327644;assbot;Be Free Little Guardbunny [ShmooCon 2016] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIqgGv ) 1404223;1455327646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74417 @ 0.00055969 = 41.6505 BTC [-] {2} 1404224;1455327663;mod6;mircea_popescu: ya, i should just load up on tools and threads, etc. and just let it rip. 1404225;1455327874;mod6;;;seen mike_c 1404226;1455327874;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already 1404227;1455327935;mod6;!rated mike_c 1404228;1455327935;assbot;You rated user mike_c on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Met IRL, runs btcalpha.com, built new WoT tool. 1404229;1455327973;*;mod6 rubs eyes 1404230;1455327976;mod6;2014? 1404231;1455327986;mod6;i thought it was last year 1404232;1455328010;mod6;ooh maybe the original rating date is preseved. 1404233;1455328025;mod6;did mod6 lose a whole year 1404234;1455328026;mod6;? 1404235;1455328058;mod6;naw, it was 2015. lucky. 1404236;1455328362;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. this box keeps shutting down bitcoin. 1404237;1455328387;mircea_popescu;anyone ever saw a process get ended after you disconnect a nohup session ?! 1404238;1455328393;mircea_popescu;pos doesn't have tmux either 1404239;1455328462;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu is using `nohup $cmd &`, yes? 1404240;1455328472;mircea_popescu;uh no & 1404241;1455328475;mircea_popescu;what's & again ? 1404242;1455328481;mod6;i typically only do `&', w/o nohup 1404243;1455328482;ben_vulpes;fork to bg 1404244;1455328493;asciilifeform;^ 1404245;1455328495;mircea_popescu;uh isn't that spurious if explicit nohum ? 1404246;1455328500;punkman;is daemon mode advised against? 1404247;1455328501;ben_vulpes;nope 1404248;1455328505;mircea_popescu;heh mkay 1404249;1455328537;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why does nohup not protect against terminal exiting without the fork? 1404250;1455328582;mircea_popescu;"blocks" : 382218, other one's almopst there 1404251;1455328588;mircea_popescu;;;height 1404252;1455328588;gribble;Error: "height" is not a valid command. 1404253;1455328592;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: doesn't actually detach from tty unless you fork 1404254;1455328593;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1404255;1455328594;asciilifeform;ask it, not me 1404256;1455328597;gribble;Current Blocks: 398169 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 998 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1404257;1455328619;mircea_popescu;"errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n" << heh heh 1404258;1455328650;asciilifeform;waitasec 1404259;1455328653;asciilifeform;is this without malleus ? 1404260;1455328666;mircea_popescu;this is 99996 1404261;1455328709;ben_vulpes;not answering the q lol 1404262;1455328711;asciilifeform;that's a v ver 1404263;1455328713;asciilifeform;not trb 1404264;1455328717;asciilifeform;which ~trb~ mircea_popescu ? 1404265;1455328731;mircea_popescu;what'd you expect me to say ? 1404266;1455328736;mod6;must be the one he built with build-bitcoind-V99996.sh or whatever. 1404267;1455328738;asciilifeform;i mean, you pressed it, no ? 1404268;1455328741;mircea_popescu;^ 1404269;1455328742;ben_vulpes;0 or 1 1404270;1455328779;ben_vulpes;aha whatever fires v must present a head to press 1404271;1455328792;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu is running bitcoinds with mystery patchlists! 1404272;1455328799;ben_vulpes;heresy 1404273;1455328799;mircea_popescu;if you wish i can provide a file hash 1404274;1455328806;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, i control the wot. 1404275;1455328807;ben_vulpes;tis your skin not mine 1404276;1455328808;mod6;which btw, we need to update that build script. 1404277;1455328809;mircea_popescu;that's all i wish to do. 1404278;1455328818;mircea_popescu;and it WILL be your skin if this process gets me in trouble. 1404279;1455328831;mircea_popescu;you've been warned, not only throughout, but at the outset. THIS is what it is all for. 1404280;1455328857;ben_vulpes;and i warn you back to not run bitcoinds pressed of v whose heads you do not know! 1404281;1455328858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is using the knobs as they were intended to be used. 1404282;1455328881;mircea_popescu;fully expect - ratings if your presence in my .wot dir causes my bitcoin to die. 1404283;1455328891;asciilifeform;but, possibly embarrassingly, i don't presently know if mod6's v actually climbs the latest branches of all present keys 1404284;1455328934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also remember that there are ~two~ knobs, meant to be used in unison - wot and patches. 1404285;1455328958;asciilifeform;as presently extant, you can't pile on the latter unthinkingly and drive solely using former. 1404286;1455328972;mircea_popescu;jus' making a point. 1404287;1455329010;asciilifeform;and i wanted to make another, re: how driving solely with wot at present time is rather like steering a bus using solely the brake pedal. 1404288;1455329022;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "build-bitcoind-v99996.sh" is the sole knob mircea_popescu cares to use 1404289;1455329032;asciilifeform;and here i find that i don't even have a copy of this. 1404290;1455329037;mircea_popescu;heh. 1404291;1455329041;asciilifeform;so i cannot say whether he pressed with malleus. 1404292;1455329045;ben_vulpes;nor i 1404293;1455329050;mircea_popescu;if not for plurality... we'd be driving buses with no brake pedals whatsoever 1404294;1455329055;mircea_popescu;next stop, power range. 1404295;1455329065;mircea_popescu;spew out a file hash i'll give you mine. 1404296;1455329067;mod6;when he built it, it ~should~ have included your original malleus patch, see: ./v.pl p verbose rotor/TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch 1404297;1455329082;mod6;however, that's been out of date since I re-ground those recent patches. 1404298;1455329094;mod6;but again, shouldn't effect Mr. P. since he did all of this before the regrind. 1404299;1455329109;mircea_popescu;mod6 seeing how the node is almost caught up i'd say it's 3 weeks old 1404300;1455329110;ben_vulpes;such a very stateful ritual, this 1404301;1455329133;mod6;ok 1404302;1455329206;ben_vulpes;my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it 1404303;1455329214;asciilifeform;^ 1404304;1455329218;mircea_popescu;trust people, not code. 1404305;1455329225;mircea_popescu;i couldn't care less what goes into it. 1404306;1455329227;ben_vulpes;mod6's scripts are code! 1404307;1455329229;mod6;mircea_popescu: what's your sha512 of main.cpp? 1404308;1455329231;ben_vulpes;yes mod6's scripts are excellent, use them! 1404309;1455329235;mircea_popescu;a happy man is one who never went into the sausage factory. 1404310;1455329254;punkman;people will submit patches that include crossbone banner 1404311;1455329263;asciilifeform;^ 1404312;1455329269;mircea_popescu;mod6 92038390413f77b55e19439738e87c21bd5b2313dc6edad78bcc8bf722dde82623a31a56a87b0182e75e6824fc709dc216fb9cb159b49a16e212e3a5ded93f58 main.cpp 1404313;1455329283;mircea_popescu;and ftr i misspelled it mod.cpp first 1404314;1455329289;mod6;heheh 1404315;1455329307;mircea_popescu;punkman and they won't make it in a foundation release. 1404316;1455329328;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: file hash alone does not specify which patch to which you pressed. 1404317;1455329340;mircea_popescu;tough! 1404318;1455329351;mod6;huh. for some reason, it didn apply that patch 1404319;1455329358;mircea_popescu;well now! isn't that interesting 1404320;1455329364;mod6;ben_vulpes: yeah, pretty close 1404321;1455329364;mod6;diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp b/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 1404322;1455329364;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 92038390413f77b55e19439738e87c21bd5b2313dc6edad78bcc8bf722dde82623a31a56a87b0182e75e6824fc709dc216fb9cb159b49a16e212e3a5ded93f58 1404323;1455329367;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 02ccc72e42939509fc180861db7ffec50563a84869f35671fcf720090f9782674edcc89c4174175691566fac7277f1ebe0f50253d1e4a995eb960f5b43cce2a3 1404324;1455329369;ben_vulpes;i send only warnings. 1404325;1455329393;mircea_popescu;578324747b453bb61a2e1d626508f0b344704980605c79fc994b51aa86c5f437b937ab89d994dcccca4e45877b1f2c763c3e06b8c613eeae263409ee3178a42a trinque.sh 1404326;1455329399;mircea_popescu;turns out it was built from trinque sh 1404327;1455329417;mod6;ah, where can I find the source for that? 1404328;1455329418;asciilifeform;l0l! 1404329;1455329423;ben_vulpes;hahaha 1404330;1455329428;ben_vulpes;and what head praytell does that press 1404331;1455329442;mircea_popescu;i should know what i run ??? 1404332;1455329451;mod6;:D 1404333;1455329454;mircea_popescu;ROTOR_HASH=e232c07238feb16ce055211fba68ed283c47753a8716681ac47c869c21936f48768f 1404334;1455329456;trinque;uh, what's trinque.sh 1404335;1455329458;trinque;lol 1404336;1455329470;trinque;!s trinque.sh 1404337;1455329470;assbot;0 results for 'trinque.sh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trinque.sh 1404338;1455329473;mircea_popescu;curl -s http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz -o V-20151129.tar.gz 1404339;1455329474;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Hyqh ) 1404340;1455329475;mircea_popescu;here we go. 1404341;1455329480;ben_vulpes;one of the downsides of the kalash is its wide cone of bullet distribution 1404342;1455329550;punkman;http://www.sciencealert.com/this-woman-has-illegally-uploaded-millions-of-journal-articles-in-an-attempt-to-open-up-science not bad 1404343;1455329551;assbot;Researcher illegally shares millions of science papers free online to spread knowledge - ScienceAlert ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLLEOg ) 1404344;1455329560;*;ben_vulpes off to shabbos and very shortly 1404345;1455329563;mircea_popescu;isn't this what that kid killed himself for ? 1404346;1455329570;mircea_popescu;mod6 should i dpaste this script ? 1404347;1455329575;mod6;yeah please. 1404348;1455329579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was 1404349;1455329586;ben_vulpes;punkman: and why is she even hosting them herself? 1404350;1455329612;punkman;because badass russian chick? dunno 1404351;1455329622;*;ben_vulpes off 1404352;1455329626;punkman;"when you search for a paper, Sci-Hub tries to immediately download it from fellow pirate database LibGen. If that doesn't work, Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics" 1404353;1455329628;asciilifeform;elsevier has been musting die for a very long time. 1404354;1455329654;ben_vulpes;musting die lol 1404355;1455329665;ben_vulpes;anyways enjoy archaeologying mircea_popescu's build process y'all 1404356;1455329680;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> yes mod6's scripts are excellent, use them! << hey now! 1404357;1455329694;ben_vulpes;what what 1404358;1455329708;mod6;haha. 1404359;1455329733;mod6;they could be better, sorry. 1404360;1455329761;ben_vulpes;they accomplish their purpose! last time i read through them they even checked hashes and performed all sorts of niceties. 1404361;1455329780;mircea_popescu;stop hating ben_vulpes 1404362;1455329786;ben_vulpes;but the road to automated reactor controls is paved with perl scripts, if you'll forgive a language jab mod6 1404363;1455329811;mod6;awe, poor perl. has no friends. 1404364;1455329819;mircea_popescu;just users. 1404365;1455329836;ben_vulpes;LIKE Y'R ORDINARY STREET HOOOO-ER 1404366;1455329843;*;ben_vulpes stops hating, off to drink and be loud with family 1404367;1455329882;asciilifeform;http://blog.notdot.net/2012/10/Build-your-own-FPGA << 'computronium fabric by the metre' 1404368;1455329883;assbot;Build your own FPGA - Nick's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1XoJXbt ) 1404369;1455329906;asciilifeform;a few hectares of this, and you have (slow...) fpga... 1404370;1455329938;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it << im not sure how to reconsile this. either you don't know what you're doing and you use a fully automated build script, or you do, and you build by hand. 1404371;1455329963;mod6;its a choose your own adventure really. 1404372;1455330012;mod6;basically, either you accept the preposed in toto, or you do not and piece-meal it together by which people you trust and do not, and which patches you want or do not. 1404373;1455330056;mod6;i think this is how it is, and should be. 1404374;1455330141;kakobrekla;fully automated build script < code as spec 1404375;1455330225;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://dpaste.com/3NRHYG4 1404376;1455330226;assbot;dpaste: 3NRHYG4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XoKxpC ) 1404377;1455330230;*;mod6 looks 1404378;1455330256;mod6;ah yes: ./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch 1404379;1455330266;asciilifeform;yeah this is pre-malleus. 1404380;1455330269;asciilifeform;settled. 1404381;1455330270;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1404382;1455330270;mod6;^ 1404383;1455330274;mircea_popescu;it's really 99997 1404384;1455330278;asciilifeform;i have nfi, maybe mircea_popescu wanted this. 1404385;1455330279;mircea_popescu;older node. 1404386;1455330284;mircea_popescu;AT THE TIME is what we had. 1404387;1455330296;mod6;ah, ok.. but don't run the 99996 yet -- the script needs a 1 line update iirc. 1404388;1455330303;mircea_popescu;heh. check him out. 1404389;1455330307;mod6;danielpbarron, got plans this weekend? 1404390;1455330308;mod6;:D 1404391;1455330312;mircea_popescu;anyway, this lets us know 99997 version syncs. 1404392;1455330317;mircea_popescu;it's within hours of catching up. 1404393;1455330320;mod6;true Mr. P. 1404394;1455330333;mod6;thanks 1404395;1455330372;mircea_popescu;anyway. there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with using a release. 1404396;1455330383;mircea_popescu;the responsibility rests ENTIRELY with the coders. 1404397;1455330389;mod6;i agree. 1404398;1455330397;mircea_popescu;there's no squirming out from under this rock, like there's no squirming out from under any other rock. 1404399;1455330408;mircea_popescu;all the rocks are, deliberately, pointedly and with no recourse placed on your ballsacks. 1404400;1455330415;mircea_popescu;this is not an accident. and this will never change. 1404401;1455330424;mircea_popescu;read the fucking code, don't write it. 1404402;1455330440;mircea_popescu;rebase until your finger bleed. i don't give a shit how hard it is, or how you think there's more productive uses of your time. 1404403;1455330442;mircea_popescu;and etfc. 1404404;1455330480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu can go on about how disgusting a cow is, but at the end of the day his icecream still comes out of one... 1404405;1455330482;asciilifeform;or does it. 1404406;1455330489;mircea_popescu;the entire fucking exercise is precisely and strictly ABOUT taking all the sexy out of programming. ALL OF IT. forevert. 1404407;1455330494;asciilifeform;now this, yes. 1404408;1455330498;punkman;apparently a lot of implementations have "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range" errors 1404409;1455330498;asciilifeform;it is why v. 1404410;1455330505;asciilifeform;punkman: locale 1404411;1455330512;mircea_popescu;punkman yeah it's when unexpected bs comes from peer. 1404412;1455330518;asciilifeform;or hm 1404413;1455330525;asciilifeform;ah yes. 1404414;1455330598;punkman;https://bitbucket.org/JordanLeePeershares/nubit/pull-requests/240/fix-for-exception-st12out_of_range/diff 1404415;1455330599;assbot;JordanLeePeershares / NuBit / Pull request #240: Fix for EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1XoL6Q9 ) 1404416;1455330612;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's not unexpected or alarming. 1404417;1455330685;mircea_popescu;and to round up : the other one, testing a (slightly older) 99996 keeps dying like a little bitch, so it's behind 1404418;1455330689;mircea_popescu;schedule. 1404419;1455330728;asciilifeform;is that the one where mircea_popescu nohup'd without & ? 1404420;1455330740;mircea_popescu;i nohup'd without & on all systems 1404421;1455330743;mircea_popescu;the others don't mind. 1404422;1455330756;asciilifeform;'cause they never get sighup ?! 1404423;1455330762;mircea_popescu;they do. 1404424;1455330780;mircea_popescu;do not expect me to know how unix runs. the authors gave up. 1404425;1455330793;mircea_popescu;and i sure as fuck ain't doing basic science for the sake of science on it. 1404426;1455330836;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, THAT machine igot a sighup 10 minutes ago, and bitcoind is still running on it. so... wtf.) 1404427;1455331001;danielpbarron;mod6> danielpbarron, got plans this weekend? << Eulora auction yo! Other than that, I don't really have "weekends" as I don't have a 9 to 5 kinda schedule 1404428;1455331012;mod6;ah, alright. 1404429;1455331024;danielpbarron;what is it you want me to test? 1404430;1455331056;mircea_popescu;lol i'm so curious what that stuff will go for. 1404431;1455331092;mod6;well, we need to make a 1 line change to the 99996 build script, and then update the wiki. BUT on the other hand we're gonna need 99995 soon anyway, as soon as some people beat up on my latest patch for V. 1404432;1455331105;danielpbarron;i have plenty of stuff to do so hopefully i won't get too carried away on the bidding 1404433;1455331108;mod6;Cause then I'm gonna release V v99995, which will require another script update. 1404434;1455331165;mod6;i guess I should make the script change and get it deedbotted. 1404435;1455331182;mod6;then move on and there will just be a new version soon. 1404436;1455331189;mod6;sorry :( 1404437;1455331196;*;asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day 1404438;1455331233;asciilifeform;i tried this on day 1, but never figured out how to get idiot gnumake to recurse 1404439;1455331253;punkman;there was polarbeard's thing 1404440;1455331263;asciilifeform;not speaking of that horror 1404441;1455331277;asciilifeform;but of the builder 1404442;1455331283;mod6;did you look at trinques makefiles? 1404443;1455331290;asciilifeform;not iirc 1404444;1455331298;mod6;i was working on those lastnight, getting some stuff updated. 1404445;1455331304;asciilifeform;did they sanely avoid building anything that was already built ? 1404446;1455331311;asciilifeform;because that's why makefile 1404447;1455331319;mod6;i just haven't quite figured out how im gonna fit it all together since they need to be Vified as well. at lesat, I think they do... 1404448;1455331345;mod6;asciilifeform: umm. not sure. 1404449;1455331373;mod6;it basically breaks up my build script into makefiles. its worth your time to take a look i think. 1404450;1455331394;asciilifeform;link? 1404451;1455331418;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html 1404452;1455331419;assbot;[BTC-dev] Experimental makefiles for bitcoind ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0cMtv ) 1404453;1455331479;asciilifeform;this is no good. 1404454;1455331486;mod6;getting the makefiles squared away, is the last remaining task (other than regression testing) that stands in the way of v054 1404455;1455331491;mod6;no good? 1404456;1455331496;mod6;how can it be better? 1404457;1455331497;asciilifeform;'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER 1404458;1455331498;asciilifeform;srsly 1404459;1455331500;asciilifeform;wtf 1404460;1455331526;asciilifeform;also mixing v press and makefile build is imho The Wrong Thing. 1404461;1455331530;mod6;ah, ok. well, we're planning on working through these things. any other things? 1404462;1455331536;asciilifeform;pressing and building are philosophically distinct acts. 1404463;1455331557;asciilifeform;or how about where it curl's from oracle.com ? 1404464;1455331580;asciilifeform;or where it has 5 makefiles (why ?) 1404465;1455331605;mod6;yeah, well, that is one of the things. we need to figure out where to pull the stuff from -- and again if locally, then we need to totally alter buildroot. 1404466;1455331606;asciilifeform;i remember now that i saw this before, and mercifully forgot. 1404467;1455331614;mod6;which everyone has said, needs to happen. 1404468;1455331641;mod6;ok so you're not sold on these 'eh. 1404469;1455331723;mod6;alright, well, we'll have to come up with something. 1404470;1455331749;asciilifeform;aha. 1404471;1455331826;trinque;given you proposed recursive makefiles, and are now bitching that there are many makefiles, what is your new proposal? 1404472;1455331829;mod6;im starting to think that maybe we dont worry about that for this release. 1404473;1455331873;mod6;instead we just have a "release" version of the build script like everyone has been using and then push the "better build aparatus" into the post release development push. 1404474;1455331892;asciilifeform;trinque: originally i wanted recursive so i could dive into, e.g., boost, openssl, and have a single makefile for the whole orchestra 1404475;1455331911;asciilifeform;(it would invoke the heathen ones in the deps and intelligently proceed, or not, given success/failure) 1404476;1455331911;trinque;as for make clean, cd build; make clean 1404477;1455331927;asciilifeform;clean should never erase ~permanent~ components 1404478;1455331998;trinque;we are both aware of what a trivial change that is. 1404479;1455332024;asciilifeform;at any rate, mod6 imho should not wait for this 1404480;1455332066;mod6;im trying to avoid getting hit over the head with "but it uses curl!" -- but maybe i like the beatings? 1404481;1455332113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes, iirc, building on same box as his thing ~runs~ on, that is, a net-connected one 1404482;1455332115;asciilifeform;i - don't 1404483;1455332124;asciilifeform;and if a script insists on curling, i won't use it. 1404484;1455332135;trinque;so you put the deps in the proper place, and nothing is downloaded 1404485;1455332136;asciilifeform;so it needs a fallback where the deps are not curled if already found 1404486;1455332138;asciilifeform;aha ok 1404487;1455332141;asciilifeform;then works. 1404488;1455332159;asciilifeform;and under no circumstances must, e.g., 'boost', be built twice. 1404489;1455332165;asciilifeform;do we have this ? 1404490;1455332182;trinque;yep, albeit "boost is done" is currently "there is a folder here which it shat" 1404491;1455332198;trinque;we've been overlooking a great many failed targets since day one 1404492;1455332395;asciilifeform;in unrelated lulz, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2015/06/27/icanns-assault-on-personal-and-small-business-privacy 1404493;1455332397;assbot;NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Blog » ICANN’s assault on personal and small business privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qd3j3F ) 1404494;1455332540;mod6;mircea_popescu: you need any help, or did you get that issue with it dying sorted? 1404495;1455332621;trinque;death to dns 1404496;1455332639;mod6;anyway, so again, my short term goal here is to get V stablized so hopefully no further changes will be needed once i pt out v99995 1404497;1455332643;trinque;I quite liked the v-tronic hosts file idea 1404498;1455332690;mod6;I did too, but we need more mirrors imho 1404499;1455332707;mod6;these are the new root servers. 1404500;1455332722;asciilifeform;and where, exactly, is one to get a new host file, if all of the mirrors vanish overnight ? 1404501;1455332756;mod6;where do you get A records if all of the root/gtld servers vanish? 1404502;1455332788;asciilifeform;nobody would even notice if they were to vanish - caches have it all 1404503;1455332799;mod6;until caches expire, ya 1404504;1455332858;asciilifeform;imho global 'zooko' names are a broken concept. 1404505;1455332860;asciilifeform;route to keys. 1404506;1455332868;asciilifeform;alias - locally. 1404507;1455333044;mod6;so once the new V is out, i don't see why at that point we don't submit the release vpatch. 1404508;1455333080;mod6;then we can update the build script for v99995 where it presses up through `v054-RELEASE.vpatch' or something. 1404509;1455333120;mod6;(this is without the makefiles), with the makefiles, we'll have to wait on the release vpatch until the makefiles are vified. 1404510;1455333136;mod6;my apologies, kinda thinking out loud here. 1404511;1455333435;mod6;ok testing the one line change to v99996 build script. 1404512;1455333754;mod6;has everyone who is going to test this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html actually finished? maybe i don't need to wait another week. 1404513;1455333755;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a ) 1404514;1455333773;mod6;heard reports from gernika, and shinohai 1404515;1455335381;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day << afaik this was broadly tyhe plan, at least at first 1404516;1455335429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea 1404517;1455335495;mircea_popescu;in other "amateurs like alf likes" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m39lgwegnZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1404518;1455335496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7xLov ) 1404519;1455335529;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, it's been raining like the end of the world in buenos aires, i fully expect the downtown to be under water in the morning. 1404520;1455335536;asciilifeform;meh, no faces 1404521;1455335556;mod6;mircea_popescu: hows the power situation been? 1404522;1455335558;mircea_popescu;i'd guess about 100mm fallen so far, 5ish per minute or somesuch. 1404523;1455335572;mircea_popescu;mod6 sorta usian, i guess. 1404524;1455335588;mod6;dicy 'eh. haha 1404525;1455335611;mircea_popescu;:p 1404526;1455335651;mod6;ok so that one line update built fine... good to know. 1404527;1455335721;asciilifeform;in unrel. nyooz, saunders mac lane's 'algebra' is nifty 1404528;1455335740;asciilifeform;even if a bit of a backbreaker. 1404529;1455335784;asciilifeform;mega-recommend. 1404530;1455336189;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404516 << why not the src and itself also then. 1404531;1455336189;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 03:50:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea 1404532;1455336208;asciilifeform;or jusr rm -rf ~ 1404533;1455336272;mircea_popescu;massive lightning strike bout quarter mile away, took my inverter clean off. 1404534;1455336274;asciilifeform;the ~sane~ behaviour for a make is to kill only that which it itself birthed. 1404535;1455336308;asciilifeform;waiwut 1404536;1455336322;asciilifeform;what was it plugged into 1404537;1455336326;kakobrekla;you have a dc to ac inverter? 1404538;1455336330;mircea_popescu;uh 1404539;1455336343;*;asciilifeform does 1404540;1455336351;mircea_popescu;i think it must be 1404541;1455336357;mircea_popescu;generator makes dc right ? 1404542;1455336410;kakobrekla;what generator 1404543;1455336425;asciilifeform;the diesel sort? not unless it was made in 1900 or so 1404544;1455336442;mircea_popescu;well whatever, the thing with the dials. 1404545;1455336457;mircea_popescu;no mains current in this part of town since midday, kako 1404546;1455336475;kakobrekla;huh 1404547;1455336487;kakobrekla;move to africa 1404548;1455336493;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1404549;1455336501;mircea_popescu;but ARGENTINA NO ES UN PAIS POBRE! 1404550;1455336519;asciilifeform;why would lightning zap a standalone box sans mains wiring ? 1404551;1455336527;mircea_popescu;solo es que todo deja de funccionar si lluvia 1404552;1455336550;asciilifeform;l0l! 1404553;1455336570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, it must've induced something. 1404554;1455336696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the src and itself also, prolly, yeah. 1404555;1455336713;mircea_popescu;make clean is what you do when you dunno wtf went wrong. 1404556;1455336749;asciilifeform;also before vdiffing 1404557;1455336836;mircea_popescu;i guess this raises the need for an intermediate flag 1404558;1455336878;asciilifeform;as in buildroot 1404559;1455336908;mircea_popescu;yeah huh. 1404560;1455337881;danielpbarron;!up blockchain_enthu 1404561;1455337946;blockchain_enthu;Thanks danielpbarron 1404562;1455337960;danielpbarron;no problem, who are you? 1404563;1455338028;blockchain_enthu;I am a non-tech kind guy trying to understand block chain and bit coins. I find block chain to be more interesting than bit coin 1404564;1455338110;blockchain_enthu;so i thought i'll join an IRC channels to see what kind of things people discuss 1404565;1455338194;danielpbarron;what do you mean, block chain more interesting? How are the two separate? 1404566;1455338215;blockchain_enthu;yes, those two are not separate. 1404567;1455338245;danielpbarron;but the implication is that there could exist a block chain without the money part 1404568;1455338257;blockchain_enthu;but the underlying principle of bitcoin is block-chain which can have many other applications 1404569;1455338264;blockchain_enthu;precisely 1404570;1455338267;danielpbarron;like what? 1404571;1455338332;blockchain_enthu;umm.. like executing real estate transactions? 1404572;1455338375;blockchain_enthu;i am still trying to explore more 1404573;1455338386;blockchain_enthu;what are your thoughts on this? 1404574;1455338433;danielpbarron;i'm trying to find the part in the log where this idea was proposed and shot down 1404575;1455338457;blockchain_enthu;right. 1404576;1455338691;danielpbarron;aha found it! 1404577;1455338753;blockchain_enthu;is there a way for me to read that part ? 1404578;1455338793;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300461 1404579;1455338793;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:20:52; mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why. 1404580;1455338804;danielpbarron;i think that pretty well sums it up 1404581;1455338833;danielpbarron;that and every other half-baked idea to "do x but this time with blockchain technowlogeez" 1404582;1455338916;blockchain_enthu;LOL! Well a lot of ideas seem ridiculous before somebody manages to pull it off 1404583;1455338948;danielpbarron;the key word there is 'somebody' and right now you ain't that 1404584;1455338957;danielpbarron;!gettrust blockchain_enthu 1404585;1455338957;assbot;blockchain_enthu is not registered in WoT. 1404586;1455339002;blockchain_enthu;LOL! i'm not saying i'm going to do it. i'm just exploring the possibility 1404587;1455339029;blockchain_enthu;and trying to get a sense of how far along have people thought over this 1404588;1455339135;danielpbarron;do you have a bitcoin node? 1404589;1455339160;blockchain_enthu;Nope 1404590;1455339177;blockchain_enthu;like a said non-tech guy 1404591;1455339184;danielpbarron;do you know the private key to any addresses with unspent outputs? 1404592;1455339212;blockchain_enthu;Nope, again. 1404593;1455339356;mircea_popescu;how about you read the log instead. 1404594;1455339373;danielpbarron;here's another part of the log that seems relevant to your station >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402512 << and funny thing is I'm currently watching The Matrix as we speak 1404595;1455339373;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 21:10:11; mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute. 1404596;1455339386;kakobrekla;read log? sounds too much like actual work. 1404597;1455339435;blockchain_enthu;Well I am going through the log 1404598;1455339509;blockchain_enthu;when i said real-estate transactions, i meant buying/selling of real-estate. 1404599;1455339637;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla in fairness he prolly never actually met something like this yet. 1404600;1455339686;danielpbarron;the one thing the block chain can do is move arbitrary numbers between arbitrary addresses and this works because it all exists totally within itself. The problem with trying to mesh this with things not-in-the-block-chain is that they do not have to obey the rules set forth therein 1404601;1455339725;danielpbarron;"this smart contract says x" "so what?" *clubs head* 1404602;1455339991;danielpbarron;blockchain_enthu, I'd re-voice you but I can't think of anything else of interest to add here. If anyone else wants to take a turn... 1404603;1455340049;punkman;!up blockchain_enthu 1404604;1455340070;blockchain_enthu;Thanks punkman 1404605;1455340155;blockchain_enthu;the only counter point I'd like to make here is this: even though real world items do not follow rules like bitcoins do, but there is a whole system (read legal system) which allows people to do transactions and move things around 1404606;1455340228;blockchain_enthu;and so, this would require recognition of block chain transactions as valid transactions in real world 1404607;1455340229;punkman;one interesting thing would be land deeds notarized on the bitcoin chain 1404608;1455340278;blockchain_enthu;punkman, how do you imagine that would work? 1404609;1455340279;mircea_popescu;nobody cares about the legal system 1404610;1455340291;mircea_popescu;it's more obsolete than democracy / marriage / working the fields with your hands. 1404611;1455340329;danielpbarron;that's more of a WoT thing than a block chain thing, and we're back to betters beating losers 1404612;1455340353;punkman;if you have jurisdiction over an area of land, not a bad thing to do. 1404613;1455340366;mircea_popescu;if you do you wouldn't call it that. 1404614;1455340386;punkman;call what 1404615;1455340395;mircea_popescu;"jurisdiction" 1404616;1455340467;punkman;what's a better word? 1404617;1455340491;mircea_popescu;not a matter of word picking, i'm just making the point that there's no benefit for the new lord importing the old gunk. 1404618;1455340497;blockchain_enthu;isn't land deeds prepared by only one authority? 1404619;1455340514;blockchain_enthu;how does block chain make it any different? 1404620;1455340563;mircea_popescu;it's not yet established that "land ownership" by the torens method has any room in the future. 1404621;1455340627;mircea_popescu;moreover, currently afaik most of the us runs on the barbaric title-deed mechanism anyway. 1404622;1455340634;mircea_popescu;so no - no central authority whatsoever. 1404623;1455341004;punkman;what if you are the king of malta? 1404624;1455341185;blockchain_enthu;anyway, i think i'll have to read up a lot more before i contribute to the discussion here. Thanks all for sharing your thoughts. 1404625;1455341207;mircea_popescu;i dunno, what if ? 1404626;1455341218;mircea_popescu;you mean the sovereign of the order or what ? 1404627;1455341536;punkman;no, the sovereign of the island, and now you want to sell land to people 1404628;1455341594;mircea_popescu;sell as in how ? 1404629;1455341615;mircea_popescu;let them use it for as long as they pay you the rent ? 1404630;1455341694;punkman;not lease 1404631;1455341749;mircea_popescu;but ? 1404632;1455341956;mircea_popescu; "we grant, and of our liberality we bountifully bestow upon the aforesaid Very Reverend Grand Master of the Religion and Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, in feudal perpetuity, noble, free and unencumbered, our cities, castles, places and islands of Tripoli, Malta and Gozo, with all their cities, castles, places and island territories; with pure and mixed jurisdiction, right, and property of useful government; with po 1404633;1455341963;mircea_popescu;wer of life and death over males and females residing within their limits, and with the laws, constitutions, and rights now existing amongst the inhabitants; together with all other laws and rights, exemptions, privileges, revenues and other immunities whatsoever; so that they may hereafter hold them in feudal tenure from us, as Kings of both Sicilies, and from our successors in the same kingdom, reigning at the time, 1404634;1455341968;mircea_popescu;under the sole payment of a falcon; which every year, on the Feast of All Saints, shall be presented by the person or persons duly authorised for that purpose, into the hands of the Viceroy or President, who may at that time be administering the government, in sign and recognition of feudal tenure; and having made that payment, they shall remain exempt and free from all other service claimable by law, and by custom per 1404635;1455341973;mircea_popescu;formed by feudal vassals" 1404636;1455341975;mircea_popescu;that's how malta was originally acquired from the monarch of sicily. 1404637;1455342155;punkman;not sure I have any nonstupid questions or answers on the topic 1404638;1455342200;mircea_popescu;let's leave it at "property is a complicated thing" then. 1404639;1455342267;punkman;sure is 1404640;1455342353;mircea_popescu;in other incredible news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/58f9ac61a43511385289fa7a36544b66/tumblr_nqd990RYBo1ru873no1_400.gif 1404641;1455342354;assbot; ... 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( http://bit.ly/1LmvR3w ) 1404659;1455359460;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1404660;1455359468;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 388.2, vol: 8447.62433736 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 392.0, vol: 7065.24097 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 389.09, vol: 16168.14630868 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 0.0385 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 402.945421, vol: 28044.99800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 386.46001, vol: 919.14120466 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.4922, vol: 87.58605317 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1404661;1455359470;BingoBoingo;;;more 1404662;1455359470;gribble;395.663622551 1404663;1455359700;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1404664;1455359703;gribble;Current Blocks: 398212 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 955 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1404665;1455360499;BingoBoingo;Bittorrent Man: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/double-billing-is-not-healthy-competition-b698c345b11e#.vw9e3r195 1404666;1455360500;assbot;Double Billing is not ‘Healthy Competition’ — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeE14o ) 1404667;1455360603;BingoBoingo;Nothing new other than the introduction, which is gold: "Lets say that youre running a company and want to create some internal competition between teams to see which ones can perform better. You can do this with R&D, and sales, but I would humbly suggest that you dont do it with receivables. Sending out duplicate invoices to customers is generally referred to as criminal behavior." 1404668;1455362538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118150 @ 0.00056845 = 67.1624 BTC [+] {3} 1404669;1455365127;BingoBoingo;!up wywialm 1404670;1455365144;wywialm;hi, thx BingoBoingo 1404671;1455365152;BingoBoingo;Hello to you too. 1404672;1455366606;deedbot-;[Qntra] Stabbbing At KnCMiner Affiliated Datacenter - http://qntra.net/2016/02/stabbbing-at-kncminer-affiliated-datacenter/ 1404673;1455366869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60808 @ 0.0005577 = 33.9126 BTC [-] {2} 1404674;1455366930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9642 @ 0.00055526 = 5.3538 BTC [-] 1404675;1455370578;punkman;http://www.zmatt.net/unlocking-my-lenovo-laptop-part-3/ 1404676;1455370583;assbot;Unlocking my Lenovo laptop, part 3 – zmatt.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QyqzUb ) 1404677;1455370977;BingoBoingo;I really don't understand why there isn't more outrage about the perpetuation of this lithium ion battery planned obscelescence scam. 1404678;1455371063;BingoBoingo;There's AA low self discharge NiMH cells out there with 2 amp hour capacities and up to 2100 recharge cycle life spans 1404679;1455371068;BingoBoingo;!up copypaste 1404680;1455371267;mircea_popescu;this is a good q. 1404681;1455371339;BingoBoingo;I mean that's about as good as or better energy density than Li-ion, vastly reduced fire hazard, and all kinds of other joy. 1404682;1455371480;punkman;is it actually the same density? 1404683;1455371492;mircea_popescu;no. 1404684;1455371502;mircea_popescu;afaik it's about 70ish% 1404685;1455371578;punkman;could even have easily replaceable 18650 lithium cells 1404686;1455371595;BingoBoingo;I don't want lithium cells at all outside of cmos battery 1404687;1455371622;asciilifeform;~1/2 the density 1404688;1455371659;asciilifeform;(nimh vs li) 1404689;1455371701;asciilifeform;again thank idiot hog x86 ! 1404690;1455371728;asciilifeform;for gigantic flammable batteries that last 2y 1404691;1455371733;mircea_popescu;you hate with an enduring passion rare in humans, mr alf. 1404692;1455371749;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu ! 1404693;1455371751;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116499 << in other news, a lower bound claim appears. 1404694;1455371752;assbot;B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTaETY ) 1404695;1455371806;asciilifeform;i read the enchilada paper 1404696;1455371822;mircea_popescu;i'd like to read how the lower bound claim is constructed. 1404697;1455371830;asciilifeform;the proof appears to use the.... Handwaving technique. 1404698;1455371849;asciilifeform;but i'd love to engage the author here. 1404699;1455371851;BingoBoingo; ~1/2 the density << In practice I'm not so sure. 3 AA eneloops new offers a total 6.3 Ah. Present laptop's battery if new 5.2 Ah with much bigger cells 1404700;1455371852;mircea_popescu;that's what makes these things iffy. gotta let the proponent state it whenever it's such a case. 1404701;1455371861;mircea_popescu;actual good science can be summarized. this - no. 1404702;1455371878;asciilifeform;~voltage~ 1404703;1455371900;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's been a lot of progress with fine meshes or w/e, but i'm pretty sure they still didn't manage to catch up to li ion 1404704;1455371903;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^ 1404705;1455371916;mircea_popescu;the 1/2 figure is more 2000era tho. they're better now. 1404706;1455372038;punkman;eneloop is what, 1.2v, lenovo battery 12v, so you'd need 10 of them? 1404707;1455372043;BingoBoingo; ~voltage~ << 9 in series to get required voltage 1404708;1455372055;BingoBoingo;punkman: eneloop is 1.2v lenovo is 10.8 1404709;1455372142;BingoBoingo;9 + charge controller could easily fit inside 6 li-ion cell battery prison's form factor. 1404710;1455372231;BingoBoingo;Side effect of this is if weight is actually a concern (it really shouldn't be) AAA cell battery prison could also be offered. 1404711;1455372245;punkman;AAA would take more space 1404712;1455372257;BingoBoingo;how? AAA is smaller? 1404713;1455372284;punkman;if you were to have the equivalent of 10 AA I mean 1404714;1455372322;BingoBoingo;So, power reserve capacity goes down to get the lighter weight. This is just physics. 1404715;1455372336;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: also remember the discharge curve. 1404716;1455372361;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So far playing with these astoundingly flat. 1404717;1455372463;BingoBoingo;Or introduce the sensible compromise that clock gets throttled on battery power. 1404718;1455372476;punkman;you could make battery pack that plugs in charger port, see what happens 1404719;1455372480;asciilifeform;already sop 1404720;1455372482;BingoBoingo;If current draw is really that big of a concern 1404721;1455372527;BingoBoingo; you could make battery pack that plugs in charger port, see what happens << these tend to be li-ion, on in my present case charger is plugged into SLA 1404722;1455372567;punkman;sla? 1404723;1455372569;asciilifeform;that's another thing, internal resistance of nimh is pretty high 1404724;1455372576;asciilifeform;vs li 1404725;1455372608;BingoBoingo; sla? << sealed lead acid 1404726;1455372610;asciilifeform;think about what this means 1404727;1455372663;BingoBoingo;internal resistance also greatly reduced in the low self discharge version 1404728;1455372672;punkman;http://funnyhacks.com/oldsite/?feed=fh&ep=10 1404729;1455372673;assbot;Running a laptop off AA batteries - Funnyhacks.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTbQXz ) 1404730;1455372715;punkman;he's using 20 AAs for eee craptop 1404731;1455372797;asciilifeform;aha, demo of internal resistance... 1404732;1455372854;asciilifeform;(spoiler: melts) 1404733;1455373001;asciilifeform;phun phakt: hp200lx runs for ~month on a pair of 'aa'. 1404734;1455373048;asciilifeform;(circa '92 or so) 1404735;1455373103;BingoBoingo;I remember, but can it run bitcoind? 1404736;1455373110;asciilifeform;mno 1404737;1455373130;asciilifeform;neither could 'eeepc' 1404738;1455373149;asciilifeform;nor mircea_popescu's thinkpad... 1404739;1455373214;BingoBoingo;but mircea_popescu's thinkpad is not a computer. It is a bedtime video player. 1404740;1455373257;BingoBoingo;runs bitcoind is separating line between general purpose computer and specialized limited purpose machine. 1404741;1455373600;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404665 << the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz 1404742;1455373600;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 10:48:19; BingoBoingo: Bittorrent Man: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/double-billing-is-not-healthy-competition-b698c345b11e#.vw9e3r195 1404743;1455373618;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1404744;1455373908;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404651 << aha 1404745;1455373908;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 09:26:59; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404408 << Malleus should end this 1404746;1455373974;asciilifeform;lulzily, i wrote malleus upon being prodded by mircea_popescu - who hasn't, it appears, yet tried it 1404747;1455373994;BingoBoingo;12 years a lol 1404748;1455373996;asciilifeform;(spoiler- worx great) 1404749;1455374009;BingoBoingo;!up p15x 1404750;1455374018;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: waiwut 1404751;1455374187;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What, every explitive requires an explanation nao? 1404752;1455376099;kakobrekla;http://nodecounter.com/mining_donation_fund.php 1404753;1455376101;assbot;NodeCounter.com (XTnodes.com) - Bitcoin Classic, XT, Unlimited Nodes, Blocks, Graphs, Charts, Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pu56hn ) 1404754;1455376502;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: dem000000000cracy!11111 1404755;1455376798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a system catching up with it, too. 1404756;1455376804;mircea_popescu;at 150k bnecause nohup weirdf atm 1404757;1455376880;*;asciilifeform doesn't sync from heathen world any moar. either moves signed gigatarball around, or -connect's via ssh tunnel 1404758;1455376913;mircea_popescu;i like syncing. 1404759;1455376918;asciilifeform;srsly the stock sync mechanism is ~profoundly~ retarded. 1404760;1455376927;asciilifeform;maybe 5% efficient. 1404761;1455376938;asciilifeform;at all other times, either idles, or moves around worthless crud 1404762;1455376944;asciilifeform;(unasked-for blocks) 1404763;1455377060;mircea_popescu;i know. 1404764;1455377072;asciilifeform;so what's to like ? 1404765;1455377083;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404757 <<< /me experimented with -connecting to my blockchain stored on the pogo, haven't got it ironed out yet. 1404766;1455377083;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 15:21:20; *: asciilifeform doesn't sync from heathen world any moar. either moves signed gigatarball around, or -connect's via ssh tunnel 1404767;1455377217;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm a promiscuous sort what can i tell you. 1404768;1455377596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz <<< i'm totally making cocktails with water from there. makes the girls all giddy. 1404769;1455377666;asciilifeform;l0l! 1404770;1455377719;mircea_popescu;ok, so indeed it was the & 1404771;1455377721;mircea_popescu;box now happy. 1404772;1455377737;asciilifeform;toldya it won't detach unless & 1404773;1455378133;mircea_popescu;the other one(s) do! 1404774;1455378143;mircea_popescu;this is an utter scam. 1404775;1455378162;asciilifeform;my other bus was brake-steerable !111 1404776;1455378177;mircea_popescu;:) 1404777;1455378226;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news : i just used ~4mn satoshi worth of Eulora stuff to dig up ~7mn worth of Eulora stuff. I just earned 3 bitcents off virtual mmorpg economy this morning, on top of everything else! 1404778;1455378257;*;mircea_popescu is really digging this virtual employee thing. leave the poor player overnight, come back to more riches! 1404779;1455378278;mircea_popescu;Mircea Mircescu paid for Mircea Popescu's coffee this morn! 1404780;1455378366;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1404781;1455378368;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S6Z9Z9.txt ) 1404782;1455378721;mats;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/92/be/7b/92be7bc80c7d9a53352ec14de5c64091.jpg 1404783;1455378722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbLoIL ) 1404784;1455378744;mircea_popescu;heh 1404785;1455378806;mircea_popescu;this, for the record my dear lord mats , is entirely a constructed, deliberate neurosis. there is nothing paralyzing about uncertainity in se. the paralizing bit, much like the horse's bit, or the nail in the grenade, is the expectation of maximal outcome, often doublespoken as "responsibility", and generally internalized as "self respect" or somesuch. 1404786;1455378852;mircea_popescu;once you accept that human life is definitionalyl worthless, and ESPECIALLY that of those people you care about (chiefly - your own), uncertainity is no more threatening than atmosphere is overpowering. 1404787;1455378869;mircea_popescu;"oh im here at the bottom of an ocean of air exerting 100kpa on my every limb, i can scarcely move!!1" 1404788;1455378871;mircea_popescu;really ? 1404789;1455378998;shinohai;!rate mats 2 True patgron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c 1404790;1455378998;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a65c5b6dade31a45 1404791;1455378999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbLXm1 ) 1404792;1455379039;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mats.2:40da9082915c65e8c7a11d071c2c2b9d69d4b9920ad0dca9a63f4dbfb4f5bf71 1404793;1455379039;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mats from 1 to 2 with note: True patgron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c 1404794;1455379051;shinohai;shit gotta redo I misspelled 1404795;1455379113;kakobrekla;you meant 'warts' instead? 1404796;1455379161;shinohai;!rate mats 2 True patron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c 1404797;1455379161;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1a49c21b5f3a6334 1404798;1455379162;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbLXm1 ) 1404799;1455379204;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mats.2:006ea4e3da7d1bec825091754adebe945ee22bb6805bf1785af81a43a088399e 1404800;1455379204;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mats from 2 to 2 with note: True patron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c 1404801;1455379210;shinohai;better 1404802;1455379396;mats;mircea_popescu: to me it is just a cute comic with a boy and an anthropomorphic tiger 1404803;1455379431;mats;i dun look for insights into the human condition in such places 1404804;1455379806;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1404805;1455379837;mircea_popescu;* NejcKodric (54ffd749@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.255.215.73) has joined #bitcoin-assets << was that the bitstamp dood ? 1404806;1455379873;mircea_popescu;hey, patgron is pretty cool! 1404807;1455379908;BingoBoingo;Could be him. Could be hello dog. 1404808;1455379919;kakobrekla;ip is slovenia so quite possibly 1404809;1455379992;mircea_popescu;peeps gotta up newbs! 1404810;1455380004;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i thought they moved to some uk incubeator ? 1404811;1455380028;kakobrekla;i think he (personally) is still around here 1404812;1455380053;mircea_popescu;a 1404813;1455380087;kakobrekla;i doubt he had anything of substance to say 1404814;1455380168;mircea_popescu;and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykryf1mMZ1qzr5eeo1_1280.jpg 1404815;1455380177;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti1d2L ) 1404816;1455380241;BingoBoingo; peeps gotta up newbs! << was looking away at some twitter policy garbage 1404817;1455380831;mircea_popescu;in other lolz : 164.132.48.48 is at ~70k loads of trilema.com/xmlrpc.php over the past 3 days. comes to twenty a minute or some shit. 1404818;1455380848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 272171 @ 0.00056737 = 154.4217 BTC [+] 1404819;1455380858;mircea_popescu;but hey, italy isn't a part of africa, populated by first-generation-in-shoes subhuman horde. they got like technologees and shit. can spam like teh pros! 1404820;1455380873;BingoBoingo;!up SandyHarris 1404821;1455380874;mircea_popescu;!up SandyHarris 1404822;1455380884;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work, but then again neither did whatever the "hacker team" was doing, so... 1404823;1455380891;mircea_popescu;lol 1404824;1455380935;BingoBoingo;The most important part of any wordpress installation is the deletion of xmlrpc.php 1404825;1455380974;mircea_popescu;eh waht do i care, let the kids be leet and shit. 1404826;1455380977;mircea_popescu;not like it does anything. 1404827;1455381218;BingoBoingo;It does even less things when gone. 1404828;1455381297;deedbot-;[Qntra] Twitter Adopting Dangerous Benesch Speech Framework - http://qntra.net/2016/02/twitter-adopting-dangerous-benesch-speech-framework/ 1404829;1455381298;BingoBoingo;^ Twitter makes banning all mircea_popescus official policy 1404830;1455381376;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg 1404831;1455381377;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti2NSc ) 1404832;1455381474;BingoBoingo;latest qntra updated, forgot a link 1404833;1455381596;BingoBoingo;For alf who does not want to feed google https://archive.is/i3uRl 1404834;1455381597;assbot;Staff — Dangerous Speech Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti35sp ) 1404835;1455381605;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh, dangerous for whom ? twitter is a goner, they're not making money, they can't make money, the share is collapsing, a 2020 with twitter still around is an impossibility. 1404836;1455381616;mircea_popescu;the [sort of] people who bought slashdot will soon buy twitter and that's that. 1404837;1455381646;mircea_popescu;turns out mps banning you sticks, you banning them doesn't. who knew. 1404838;1455381665;BingoBoingo;dangerous for people who think twitter like tor is relevant to an anything 1404839;1455381704;mircea_popescu; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg << win. 1404840;1455381705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti2NSc ) 1404841;1455381709;mircea_popescu;so, so much win. 1404842;1455381712;danielpbarron;heh i'm not banned yet, and i tweeted the death warrant 1404843;1455381735;mircea_popescu;an entire "culture" of retards lies buried there, reddit, cracked, wikipedia, twitter, the bell bottoms and disco hair of the 2000s. 1404844;1455381751;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: That's a sign the twitter stasi find you unimportant 1404845;1455381777;danielpbarron;i thought maybe it was because i have a really old account and i don't spam, ever 1404846;1455381783;BingoBoingo;Nope 1404847;1455381846;mircea_popescu;nah, they actually go by this inept shit. 1404848;1455381869;danielpbarron;if it weren't for my extremely offensive views, i'm really their perfect user 1404849;1455381877;danielpbarron;or maybe even better my offensive views 1404850;1455381885;danielpbarron;gets more impressions or whatever 1404851;1455381894;BingoBoingo;If you say subversive things on twitter and haven't been banned yet, it is because they have determined you are an unimportant loon. This is why I find twitter offensive for its failure to ban me. 1404852;1455381897;mircea_popescu;im not even sure they have a perfect user. they don't aim to anything. 1404853;1455381922;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo. give it time, overnight dangerousness is usually obtained in a decade or two. 1404854;1455382154;mircea_popescu;in other susan benesch news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e491ea42ab51f2d3de9edfdf33690cb9/tumblr_nitiu49x4j1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg 1404855;1455382156;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1o9VOOp ) 1404856;1455382216;mircea_popescu;rabbit replacement BingoBoingo ? 1404857;1455382237;mircea_popescu;qntra, the... electrocuting news site. 1404858;1455382294;BingoBoingo;I dunno. Dixie seems to have substantial branding value due to the length of history. Mebbe we can save that for our eventual electrifying literary magazine? 1404859;1455382314;mircea_popescu;kk 1404860;1455382338;danielpbarron;heh i switched to Rhodesia flag on my profile pic last night 1404861;1455382349;danielpbarron;people kept complaining the confed flag was too offensive 1404862;1455382376;mircea_popescu;lmao 1404863;1455382656;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/world/asia/wanted-in-china-more-male-teachers-to-make-boys-men.html 1404864;1455382659;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4AqG ) 1404865;1455382665;punkman;tumblr links are just timing out for me 1404866;1455382721;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404839 << i use strictly fisher's cylinders in pen 1404867;1455382721;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 16:41:44; mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg << win. 1404868;1455382735;asciilifeform;mega-ink 1404869;1455382767;asciilifeform;won't run, laughs at grease, water, dirt, crummy paper 1404870;1455382775;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/adio-twitter/ << from back when mp quit twitter the first time 1404871;1455382776;assbot;Adio twitter on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4JdB ) 1404872;1455382780;asciilifeform;and no pressure drop 1404873;1455382808;asciilifeform;soldiers on until entirely empty. 1404874;1455382814;danielpbarron;punkman, try the bit.ly link 1404875;1455382836;danielpbarron;heh I also use a spacepen 1404876;1455382841;danielpbarron;had it for years 1404877;1455382884;*;BingoBoingo has been gradually shifting to felt tipped pens as he writes less on paper. 1404878;1455382918;punkman;"NTP server set to 1.1.1970 on a public hotspot will brick IOS devices (iPad and iPhones), requiring physical repair." https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/458ao3/discussion_changing_time_date_settings_to_jan_1/ 1404879;1455382920;assbot;[Discussion] Changing Time & Date settings to Jan 1, 1970 will permanently brick 64-bit iOS devices : jailbreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4U8M ) 1404880;1455382939;asciilifeform;oldnyooz 1404881;1455382960;punkman;ntp part is new for me 1404882;1455383060;mircea_popescu;ntp ftw! 1404883;1455383074;mats;should be relatively easy to impersonate an aapl ntp server and brick phones on a network 1404884;1455383125;BingoBoingo; should be relatively easy to impersonate an aapl ntp server and brick phones on a network << Imagine if a terrorist messed with BGP servers 1404885;1455383157;mircea_popescu;imagien the productivity gains if all the apple products were bricked. 1404886;1455383237;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1404887;1455383302;BingoBoingo;In other news canon powershot A495 (2010 vintage) solid little camera. Picked one up for $25 and change. Manages to get by using two AA batteries. 1404888;1455383329;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A few things you don’t see every day, Edición Mexicana. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/13/a-few-things-you-dont-see-every-day-edicion-mexicana/ 1404889;1455383393;punkman;BingoBoingo: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/A495 1404890;1455383394;assbot;A495 - CHDK Wiki - Wikia ... ( http://bit.ly/1o9Zr6N ) 1404891;1455383451;BingoBoingo;punkman: ty, but it's a fucking camera. I don't see much cause for dicking its firmware up yet. 1404892;1455383548;punkman;handy for timelapsing and other things 1404893;1455383594;BingoBoingo;I thought that's what fiverrrar was for? 1404894;1455383964;punkman;from the journal of entomology https://medium.com/female-founders/my-startup-failed-and-this-is-what-it-feels-like-c5d64b3ae96b 1404895;1455383966;assbot;My startup failed, and this is what it feels like… — Female Founders — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti6Fmn ) 1404896;1455384541;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404199 i'm actually swung to tease hysterical irc nicknames 1404897;1455384541;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 01:32:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404057 << i didn't know you swung that way! 1404898;1455385566;mircea_popescu;"My startup failed, and this is what it feels like : the most banal shit ever" 1404899;1455385571;mircea_popescu;what start-up didn't fail ? 1404900;1455385586;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in dirigible lands, http://36.media.tumblr.com/607b5369ffec29a56371edb54e74d54b/tumblr_nno8q1rjX61uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1404901;1455385589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1myQnHt ) 1404902;1455385602;mircea_popescu;!s 99dresses 1404903;1455385603;assbot;0 results for '99dresses' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=99dresses 1404904;1455385613;mircea_popescu;damn i thought for sure we lolled at this before 1404905;1455386277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52663 @ 0.00057021 = 30.029 BTC [+] {2} 1404906;1455386339;BingoBoingo;Honestly at this point many of the lolfish are starting to taste the same. 1404907;1455386453;mircea_popescu;redditard has brief moment of clarity : "I never realised how much I hate democracy until I had to endure idiots (like myself) insisting that their voice be heard regarding the blocksize despite not having any of the required technical knowledge." 1404908;1455386477;BingoBoingo;lol 1404909;1455387024;asciilifeform;'Over 90% of tech startups fail, but I never thought my baby, 99dresses, would be one of them.' << gold 1404910;1455387063;*;asciilifeform washing decade of crud out of cpu heat sinks 1404911;1455387110;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404900 << eva braun ! 1404912;1455387110;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 17:46:26; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in dirigible lands, http://36.media.tumblr.com/607b5369ffec29a56371edb54e74d54b/tumblr_nno8q1rjX61uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1404913;1455387134;mircea_popescu;and in more "lively faces" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/98f563a2214fedc5949dc23b7bd1553b/tumblr_nqt6goBpRW1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1404914;1455387136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/242IRXy ) 1404915;1455387169;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me, meditating upon alf's observation, that there's probably massive evolution pressure on this, to the level of the evolutionary pressure on breast size. 1404916;1455387183;shinohai;Looks like Morticia Adams as a young lady 1404917;1455387192;mircea_popescu;after all... woman face is supposed to not be wrinkly, right ? 1404918;1455387306;ben_vulpes;those are some very short counters 1404919;1455387356;mircea_popescu;maybe it's for working-while-kneeling. 1404920;1455387364;ben_vulpes;in news from the horror show: https://github.com/klen/python-mode/blob/develop/Rakefile 1404921;1455387366;assbot;python-mode/Rakefile at develop · klen/python-mode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oabmBu ) 1404922;1455387366;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404913 << not lively 1404923;1455387366;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 18:12:14; mircea_popescu: and in more "lively faces" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/98f563a2214fedc5949dc23b7bd1553b/tumblr_nqt6goBpRW1uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1404924;1455387388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sarcasm is wasted on the young! 1404925;1455387396;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/klen/python-mode/blob/develop/Gemfile << same vein 1404926;1455387397;assbot;python-mode/Gemfile at develop · klen/python-mode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oabpgS ) 1404927;1455387398;asciilifeform;l0l 1404928;1455387406;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what am i looking at 1404929;1455387414;ben_vulpes;ruby in a python project 1404930;1455387418;asciilifeform;..why? 1404931;1455387430;ben_vulpes;do you also ask the clowns why they paint their faces? 1404932;1455387434;asciilifeform;'“But you’re taking a massive risk! That’s so brave!” they’d say. I never thought so. The biggest risk in my eyes was going to university, getting a stable job, and sliding into a comfortable life. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I knew it wasn’t me.' 1404933;1455387456;shinohai;why? 1404934;1455387490;punkman;ben_vulpes: but it also has a Makefile 1404935;1455387539;mircea_popescu;ok, so chick thinks she's special, a lifetime of progenitorial slavery not fit for the likes of her. fine! jolly good! 1404936;1455387552;mircea_popescu;turns out there's exactly 0 demand for her as an 'entrepreneur' or w/e it was, so i guess the cats await. 1404937;1455387565;ben_vulpes;punkman "why were those tartars locked in boxes to starve to death?" 1404938;1455387590;asciilifeform;mmhmmhgmmmmm! 1404939;1455387602;ben_vulpes;ask me not these questions. i have no answers. i bring only gore from the depths. 1404940;1455387654;asciilifeform;speaking of cats, they are having some sort of tourney in my back yard 1404941;1455387667;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404370 << that is *precisely* the line that cleaves the world. 1404942;1455387667;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 02:18:58; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it << im not sure how to reconsile this. either you don't know what you're doing and you use a fully automated build script, or you do, and you build by hand. 1404943;1455387688;mircea_popescu;what tourney, "which can imitate a five year old being torn limb from limb closer to life" ? 1404944;1455387720;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes eh hush, you've not done something by hand yet today. 1404945;1455387732;mircea_popescu;did you run electricity "by hand" from the plant to your shaver or just not shaving ? 1404946;1455387747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: something involving ritualized staredowns and directional pissing 1404947;1455387759;mircea_popescu;oh, they're having primaries. 1404948;1455387766;asciilifeform;aha! 1404949;1455387777;asciilifeform;the actual fighting tends to happen in the evening 1404950;1455387794;punkman;usually around 6am here 1404951;1455387803;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ridiculous 1404952;1455387831;*;mircea_popescu actually got awoken once because the damned things were wailing exactly like someone trying to shove a baby through a pasta strainer. 1404953;1455387880;ben_vulpes;"you haven't done anything because you're using sed and awk which you didn't write HA!" 1404954;1455387949;mircea_popescu;well ? 1404955;1455387963;mircea_popescu;you didn't even fucking read, let alone write. 1404956;1455388000;mircea_popescu;unlike you, i have explicit author names and explicit trust relations with them. so... bald men shouldn't throw rox! 1404957;1455388015;ben_vulpes;unlike what now? 1404958;1455388079;ben_vulpes;perhaps a better formulation would be that there are those who curate their own patch selection and those who delegate to the foundation. 1404959;1455388115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has own awk ?! 1404960;1455388117;shinohai;!rate mod6 2 Hours of trb instruction and support for my node. 1404961;1455388117;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/abd95ba7cfa366c5 1404962;1455388118;asciilifeform;share plox ? 1404963;1455388122;mircea_popescu;curation happens by .wot inclusion 1404964;1455388139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just making a point for the benefit of the fox here. 1404965;1455388151;*;ben_vulpes is benefitted 1404966;1455388167;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mod6.2:0f050f1c797392f9227a43c09e1c17e450e2894a21900100fbe318ac6c347499 1404967;1455388167;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 1 to 2 with note: Hours of trb instruction and support for my node. 1404968;1455388221;mircea_popescu;it is increasingly obvious, to me, that there should be a new genesis made, signed by a specially generated identity, "test". 1404969;1455388237;mircea_popescu;this way people can base on THAT tree and know for certain they will never end up included in production. 1404970;1455388284;mircea_popescu;ratger than expecting users to use any other buttons than the buttons, design the system so that it actually uses the buttons properly. 1404971;1455388290;asciilifeform;parallel trees complicate things 1404972;1455388309;punkman;why second genesis? 1404973;1455388340;mircea_popescu;they complicate things in the correct manner, however. 1404974;1455388359;mircea_popescu;punkman so someone can write experimental code without risking it showing up in a production environment and getting negrated for it. 1404975;1455388402;mircea_popescu;make no mistake about it : it is NOT the user who relies on foundation curation. it is THE CODER. 1404976;1455388424;punkman;sounds like putting cart before horse 1404977;1455388427;mircea_popescu;whenever you sign something on the main trunk, you are swearing with your life it is good to go. \ 1404978;1455388449;mircea_popescu;hoping that mod6 will save you from inclusion arbitrarily is a lot fucking weaker than just having the proper control of only signing in the test branch, and choosing where yhou sign 1404979;1455388465;mircea_popescu;punkman no, cart is currently put before horse. sounds like putting cart and horse back in the right places 1404980;1455388479;asciilifeform;can we do this starting with next release ? 1404981;1455388483;asciilifeform;rather than signing 1000000 things 1404982;1455388491;asciilifeform;again. 1404983;1455388506;mircea_popescu;ok. 1404984;1455388521;asciilifeform;also the hashes will have to actually differ 1404985;1455388537;asciilifeform;(say, add the skull in comment to every .cpp and .h, and to make, ...) 1404986;1455388537;mircea_popescu;sorry alf, you're part of a standards group. this re-do work 10k times is par for the cutpurse. 1404987;1455388549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm all for constructive gruntwork 1404988;1455388560;asciilifeform;(consider how i even got involved) 1404989;1455388562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup. or any other thing. here's a thought : once one hash differs, the ones downstream will because it includes the different hash 1404990;1455388572;asciilifeform;well yes 1404991;1455388573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i know, jus' sayin. 1404992;1455388576;asciilifeform;but they ~all~ gotta differ 1404993;1455388602;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1404994;1455388639;mircea_popescu;i am thinking : maybe including a comment line as "this patch is intended to be applied on prev hash blabla" would do it. 1404995;1455388818;BingoBoingo;Now happening on BizzaroBet https://archive.is/t8rK8 1404996;1455388820;assbot;Will the Bitcoin Classic 2MB hard fork happen in 2016? - BetMoose ... ( http://bit.ly/242LgBu ) 1404997;1455388866;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that is the most cretinous thing i ever heard. 1404998;1455388877;mircea_popescu;what does it even mean ? there was a fork! there's ten forks a day. wtf. 1404999;1455388888;punkman;I think you gotta either use a release or care about which patches you use, now if there are different production and testing releases that's another thing 1405000;1455388914;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently BizzaroBet isn't particular about wording 1405001;1455388938;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that thing can't possibly be anything but a scam at this point, of the "magic doubler address" ilk. 1405002;1455388946;mircea_popescu;i mean they're not even trying. 1405003;1455388989;BingoBoingo;Likely, but I'm not risking shit to see for sure because of that possibility 1405004;1455389086;BingoBoingo;But i mean compare to BitBet https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/ 1405005;1455389087;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.16 B (4%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 44`405 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq ) 1405006;1455389162;*;mircea_popescu is reading geology glossaries instead. 1405007;1455389266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67496 @ 0.00056894 = 38.4012 BTC [-] {3} 1405008;1455389992;BingoBoingo;!up ahmedbodi 1405009;1455390628;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404197 looks like you confuse hard radiation (as in gamma/roentgen rays) shielding and RF "radio frequency" shielding 1405010;1455390628;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 01:30:18; mircea_popescu: because of the fucking impedance in thin fillaments and other considerations, your shit will never work as a straight conductor. 1405011;1455390681;mircea_popescu;radiation is a continuum! 1405012;1455390711;jurov;but the shielding material necessary is markedly different 1405013;1455390752;mircea_popescu;understand : a very thin, insulated fillament is not a piece of shielding, but in turn an antenna. 1405014;1455390766;mircea_popescu;and "insulated" is a function of conductivity, which is a function of thickness. 1405015;1455390806;jurov;not if it's woven in the grid, only the holes count to RF. 1405016;1455390813;BingoBoingo;As of this week gotta be concerned about leaky emissions on the million meter spectrum. 1405017;1455390859;mircea_popescu;jurov that's just an engineering rule of thumb, based on some assumptions. 1405018;1455390880;asciilifeform;grounded conductor is not an antenna... 1405019;1455390891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it is grounded. 1405020;1455390901;jurov;and due to skin effect if you use thick but relatively poor conductor you'll get a surprises at > MHz stuff 1405021;1455390910;mircea_popescu;an arbitrarily thin filament of an arbitrary length is NOT grounded merely on the grounds that you connected it to a pipe somewhere. 1405022;1455390930;jurov;faraday cage works ungrounded either 1405023;1455390973;jurov;but to shield shorter wavelength, you need smaller holes in it 1405024;1455391109;mircea_popescu;yes, but smaller holes and thinner wires are unrelated items here. 1405025;1455391115;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00100000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b25 1405026;1455391127;mircea_popescu;you don't get an out of jail free card re wires just because "but officer, i needed smaller holes" 1405027;1455391467;jurov;ofc, you're welcome to shield your walls with 2mm solid metal. the salesman prolly won't tell you that only first few micrometers count for the nastiest stuff like GSM anyway 1405028;1455391484;jurov;these requencies don't penetrate deeper 1405029;1455391507;jurov;hence, wowen thin wires work, too. 1405030;1455391582;mircea_popescu;the problem of penetration isn't the only consideration here. what you're saying is akin to the proposition that a cpu is only hot on the surface, so only a fool would connect it to 5kg of copper. 1405031;1455391583;BingoBoingo;!up Reydev 1405032;1455391591;mircea_popescu;you have to be able to drain the flow. 1405033;1455391630;BingoBoingo;connect to buried brine 1405034;1455391669;jurov;the EM field induces currents in the conductors, which cancel it. no need to drain these anywhere 1405035;1455391709;mircea_popescu;by which logic faraday cage no longer needs to be grounded. 1405036;1455391720;jurov;of course it does not need 1405037;1455391756;mircea_popescu;gee. 1405038;1455391772;BingoBoingo;probably best to ground anything that isn't used for explicitly vexual purposes though. 1405039;1455391847;jurov;ungrounded faraday cage tends to get charged, which is not easily detectable from within, untill you open it, get out, and touch the ground 1405040;1455391880;mircea_popescu;what is the difference between ungrounded faraday cage and dipole antenna ? 1405041;1455391886;jurov;but otherwise it does not allow radio frequencies in (when built to spec) 1405042;1455391886;mircea_popescu;and plox don't tell me it's the shape. 1405043;1455391935;jurov;faraday case encloses you so wellthat it allows currents induced by external RF to cancel it 1405044;1455392008;mircea_popescu;so i can not cut a hole into a faraday cage with a proton beam. 1405045;1455392054;jurov;proton beam !=== RF 1405046;1455392056;mircea_popescu;it'll just melt wholesale. 1405047;1455392061;mircea_popescu;and how do you make this distinction ? 1405048;1455392086;jurov;RF is pulsating electromagnetic field, i.e. photons 1405049;1455392093;mircea_popescu;photons have no charge. 1405050;1455392203;jurov;the field does. for example the tesla coil causes strong electromagnetic field, which causes surrounding matter to ionise and get electrically charged 1405051;1455392229;jurov;at the same time also radiates electromagnetic waves as photos 1405052;1455392248;jurov;beause the field isn't DC but AC 1405053;1455392282;mircea_popescu;as king arthur once said to trusty sir belvedere, "This new learning amazes me" 1405054;1455392318;jurov;but we're going rather far. the original discussion was about shielding microwaves from radio transmission, cellphones etc. 1405055;1455392346;mircea_popescu;and you were going to distinguish between far uv and close x-rays on some sort of a basis. other than "cuz i say 3*10^16 and fu" 1405056;1455392418;jurov;? 1405057;1455392447;jurov;you mentioned yest nuclear cross-sections, they do apply to EUV and x-rays 1405058;1455392454;mircea_popescu;anyways. the original discussion was about how you can't make a mesh arbitrarily fine and expect it to still shield anything. 1405059;1455392459;jurov;but are utterly irrelevant for microwaves 1405060;1455392500;jurov;oooh that, you want to shield these. oook. 1405061;1455392503;mircea_popescu;there's a minimal thickness as a function of the material involved that can be used. 1405062;1455392533;mircea_popescu;well that's what it was, some derps came out with what struck me on first sight as a sort of "gasoline saving magnets", ie these superthin meshes that'll "protect your monitor from nsa spying" 1405063;1455392540;mircea_popescu;as a matter of faith working miracles or somesuch. 1405064;1455392586;jurov;and you imagined your monitor emits x-rays for nsa to spy on and started considering shielding foir these? 1405065;1455392595;jurov;point taken. 1405066;1455392636;mircea_popescu;no, i just said that i would expect on the basis of guesswork for indium -group metals to work out as the thinnest functional mesh 1405067;1455392648;mircea_popescu;as opposed to fucking nickel 1405068;1455392683;mircea_popescu;but i still can't be arsed to do the actual math for it, so whatevs. 1405069;1455393156;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405035 << here's a mindfuck: net charge in ~closed~ conductor contour is 0. 1405070;1455393156;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 19:28:29; mircea_popescu: by which logic faraday cage no longer needs to be grounded. 1405071;1455393160;asciilifeform;ground has nothing to do with it. 1405072;1455393164;asciilifeform;green's theorem ! 1405073;1455393233;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405044 << trick question, the protons cut the hole with momentum, not charge. 1405074;1455393233;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 19:33:28; mircea_popescu: so i can not cut a hole into a faraday cage with a proton beam. 1405075;1455393237;asciilifeform;just like a saw. 1405076;1455393341;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405062 << the claim from the supplier was, iirc, 50dB from dc to 10GH 1405077;1455393341;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 19:42:13; mircea_popescu: well that's what it was, some derps came out with what struck me on first sight as a sort of "gasoline saving magnets", ie these superthin meshes that'll "protect your monitor from nsa spying" 1405078;1455393345;asciilifeform;not 'magic shield' 1405079;1455393401;asciilifeform;as for the crackpottery, it pre-dates public obsession with nsa, and even the gsm and 'smart meter' psychosis, goes way back to 1970s (!) 'power lines will kill you with magnetics' thing 1405080;1455393496;*;asciilifeform bbl 1405081;1455393632;BingoBoingo;Come on, we all know why them gubmint veterinarians want us to feed our cows their magnets... 1405082;1455393902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9139 @ 0.00056737 = 5.1852 BTC [-] {2} 1405083;1455394076;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hoping that mod6 will save you from inclusion arbitrarily is a lot fucking weaker than just having the proper control of only signing in the test branch, and choosing where yhou sign << yah, this may be a really good idea. right now, we're livin on the edge. 1405084;1455394112;mod6;ok. 1405085;1455394192;mod6;so lastnight, I tested an updated version of the automated build script 'build-bitcoind-V99996.sh' -- the version that's currently deedbotted is no longer ok since I reground alfs patches. 1405086;1455394371;mod6;If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh 1405087;1455394372;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO ) 1405088;1455395312;mod6;after you build with the above script, you should end up with the following manifiest if you follow along with this find command as such: http://dpaste.com/2VFXNFX.txt 1405089;1455395314;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oe7Bvx ) 1405090;1455395640;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405086 <<< /me is building now 1405091;1455395640;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 20:12:51; mod6: If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh 1405092;1455395653;mod6;shinohai: awesome, thanks! 1405093;1455395701;mod6;we're gonna have to go through this again here not too long from now when V v99995 comes out, but hopefully that'll be the last time for a while. 1405094;1455395778;shinohai;mod6: is this version already with patched V ? 1405095;1455395797;shinohai;or do I still need to do that 1405096;1455395814;mod6;oooh, you mean the beta patches? naw, you shouldn't need to do that. 1405097;1455395881;mod6;it'd be rather difficult to do anyway if you wanted to, you'd have to stop mid-script and then update V, then continue. 1405098;1455395964;shinohai;kk I'll just test as-is for now 1405099;1455395971;mod6;yeah, that'd be fine. 1405100;1455396023;shinohai;also should have a much improved status page running in a few days, Im gonna wait for full sync to turn it on 1405101;1455396115;mod6;neato 1405102;1455397814;jurov;!t m x.eur 1405103;1455397814;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00332082 / 0.00332253 / 0.00332476 (218 shares, 0.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00282315 / 0.00295966 / 0.00332476 (1125 shares, 3.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00258386 / 0.00275891 / 0.00332476 (14677 shares, 40.49 BTC) 1405104;1455397831;jurov;;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central 1405105;1455397832;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 344.3, Best ask: 346.999, Bid-ask spread: 2.69900, Last trade: 346.999, 24 hour volume: 50.93502582, 24 hour low: 338.0, 24 hour high: 349.99989193, 24 hour vwap: 347.38993266 1405106;1455397846;jurov;;;calc 1/347.38993266 1405107;1455397847;gribble;0.00287860961411 1405108;1455397855;jurov;davout ^^^^ ? 1405109;1455397997;jurov;and interesting why price went *up * in absence of the bot 1405110;1455398029;mats;is everyone asleep at the wheel? 1405111;1455398039;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency eur 1405112;1455398046;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 346.493768, vol: 7244.90217088 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 349.0, vol: 51.9903 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 339.3688, vol: 0.0385 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 357.6528, vol: 24776.07600000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 344.95879, vol: 6180.32225167 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.999, vol: 50.93502582 | Volume-weighted last average: 353.468086158 1405113;1455398094;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45i6gf/advice_on_recovering_blockchainio_account_after/ <<< top fucking kek. "I made a temp account on Blockchain.io, not entering an email, writing down the 12 word code or passoword, something I should have done." 1405114;1455398095;assbot;Advice on Recovering Blockchain.io Account After Losing Password : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/20vmTro ) 1405115;1455398234;jurov;anyone has any x.eur i can short while davout is sleeping? 1405116;1455399015;thestringpuller;i think my node stalled. 1405117;1455399106;thestringpuller;oh no. now it's a zombie process. 1405118;1455399134;shinohai;;;blocks 1405119;1455399135;gribble;398291 1405120;1455399173;danielpbarron;"blocks" : 386780, << mine's still going uninterrupted since i started it 1405121;1455399206;thestringpuller;oh man debug.log is way too big 1405122;1455399269;danielpbarron;mine is 7 gigs 1405123;1455399269;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 23757d60dd <<< do these affect anything? 1405124;1455399298;danielpbarron;i think it just means you don't have the block that they spend from yet 1405125;1455399315;danielpbarron;you can get bogged down by them from time to time but it should eventually move on 1405126;1455399317;jurov;yes you don't have block nor transaction 1405127;1455399355;thestringpuller;oh it chocked on bastard blocks 1405128;1455400385;mod6;(21:17) <+jurov> anyone has any x.eur i can short while davout is sleeping? 1405129;1455400446;mod6;eek. sorry, no idea how i just pasted that in there. 1405130;1455400456;danielpbarron;aww poor jurov 1405131;1455400462;danielpbarron;got his hopes up 1405132;1455400500;mod6;ya srsly. sorry j. 1405133;1455400539;mod6;im over here rollin up that new version of V. 1405134;1455400829;mod6;i think i need a bigger desk 1405135;1455401290;BingoBoingo;Well, 'Murica is fucked now. 1405136;1455401299;BingoBoingo;;;google scalia texas resort 1405137;1455401300;gribble;Court divided over University of Texas race-conscious admissions ...: ; Justice Scalia Suggests Blacks Belong at "Slower" Colleges | Mother ...: .< 1405159;1455404346;mod6;can someone explain what nohup is for? 1405160;1455404362;mod6;do i not see that same issue because i run with `&' in a screen session? 1405161;1455404364;mircea_popescu;nohup catches the sighup and lets the program continue 1405162;1455404375;mircea_popescu;screen does the same thing, so does tmux 1405163;1455404400;mod6;hrm. 1405164;1455404415;shinohai;I use tmux but sometimes `& disown` and it works fine. 1405165;1455404421;mod6;my node doesn't choke at all, and seems to even see blocks before btc.blockr.io sometimes. 1405166;1455404456;mod6;ugh. my hair is going grey 1405167;1455404471;mircea_popescu;my beard is half white 1405168;1455404481;mod6;im catchin up! 1405169;1455404566;mircea_popescu;hehe 1405170;1455404585;mircea_popescu;and in other "girls for alf" contestant winner news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3fde9a27cbdcf73973fdb23d003643f/tumblr_nqijweVkX91uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1405171;1455404586;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1Q7M3 ) 1405172;1455404673;mod6;nice 1405173;1455404734;mod6;i guess, my node is already sync'd so i'm not going through that part of a full sync atm. 1405174;1455404743;mircea_popescu;!rated shinohai 1405175;1455404743;assbot;You rated user shinohai on 03-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.. 1405176;1455404758;mircea_popescu;!rate shinohai 2 Active TRB tester guy. 1405177;1455404758;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6f3d467cefeb1b2f 1405178;1455404786;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.shinohai.2:bbe1a16b5c07434099cac05b64ef6899b29989f8c8605c6667823d538db6809d 1405179;1455404786;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for shinohai from 1 to 2 with note: Active TRB tester guy. 1405180;1455404880;shinohai;ty 1405181;1455404902;mats;scalia is dead 1405182;1455404908;mod6;who cares 1405183;1455405014;mats;his family, i suppose 1405184;1455405040;shinohai;The beneficiaries of his will. 1405185;1455405111;mircea_popescu;mod6> who cares << he was very popular with a certain crowd. 1405186;1455405606;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405182 << now obamitler can ??? 1405187;1455405606;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 23:08:28; mod6: who cares 1405188;1455405623;mod6;what? 1405189;1455405633;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405086 << why does line 46 have asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch instead latest vpatch as on previous 99996 and 99997 iterations ? 1405190;1455405633;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 20:12:51; mod6: If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh 1405191;1455405644;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405170 << lol are these even alive?! 1405192;1455405644;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 23:03:05; mircea_popescu: and in other "girls for alf" contestant winner news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3fde9a27cbdcf73973fdb23d003643f/tumblr_nqijweVkX91uu92gho1_1280.jpg 1405193;1455405658;mircea_popescu;omg hating the fishes! 1405194;1455405669;mod6;a fuck 1405195;1455405672;mod6;what pete_dushenski? 1405196;1455405697;*;asciilifeform bbl 1405197;1455405709;pete_dushenski;mod6: weren't we tweaking previous patches by changing that one line to 'malleus' ? 1405198;1455405721;mod6;oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch 1405199;1455405740;mod6;malleus didn't change. just was reground. 1405200;1455405746;pete_dushenski;aha. nifty. 1405201;1455405778;pete_dushenski;just building '6_2' now. smooth sailing so far :) 1405202;1455405828;mod6;ok good deal. thanks! let us know if the hashes match too plz. 1405203;1455405865;mod6;since I think I've got all the testing of V out of people who can on the beta patches, I'll probably push out v99995 tomorrow. 1405204;1455405889;mod6;last chance to test that beta_2 patch for V if you still want to do so. 1405205;1455406249;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/#comment-40462 << the maidsafe pumpers are out in force this weekend. what is it a vaporware fool moon ? 1405206;1455406251;assbot;The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1RYRd ) 1405207;1455406268;pete_dushenski;!s maidsafe 1405208;1455406269;assbot;98 results for 'maidsafe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maidsafe 1405209;1455406303;mircea_popescu;that thing still exists ?! 1405210;1455406378;pete_dushenski;lol not even ! it still doesn't ! 1405211;1455406397;pete_dushenski;'three weeks' (tm) (r) 1405212;1455406407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89750 @ 0.00056919 = 51.0848 BTC [+] {3} 1405213;1455406411;mircea_popescu;lol 1405214;1455406445;pete_dushenski;but stock is 'up' so everyone's a jumpin' and a jivin' and a takin' them there gurls out to the dance hall tonite ! 1405215;1455406561;pete_dushenski;https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_maid 1405216;1455406562;assbot;Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1So9Y ) 1405217;1455406735;BingoBoingo; my beard is half white << I'm getting to the point that if I keep plucking the white ones out I'll have bald patches soon. 1405218;1455406768;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would i pluck em, let 'em be. 1405219;1455406773;mircea_popescu;they earned the right to be there! 1405220;1455406846;BingoBoingo;When they were coming up in singles the looked out of place. 1405221;1455406953;BingoBoingo;Seriously though no gray. Just skipped to a white somewhere between titanium oxide and potasium carbonate 1405222;1455406965;mircea_popescu;lol 1405223;1455407031;pete_dushenski;so nasdaq.com bitches about 'we noticed your ad blocker is on and we kindly request that you turn it off to enhance your user experience'. this is how mpex won. this. 1405224;1455407058;BingoBoingo;I guess I'll stop trying to fight the white hairs on Tuesday. 1405225;1455407122;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Why even bother with the ad blocker, just say no to javascript and the obnoxious ones die automagically 1405226;1455407194;pete_dushenski;i suppose there's that too 1405227;1455407291;BingoBoingo;Spam messages are intolerable, javascript is intolerable, but if a site wants to uglify itself with static images and such nbd 1405228;1455407324;BingoBoingo;Not to mention many ad blockers are awfully wasteful of the cpu cycles themselves 1405229;1455407346;pete_dushenski;http://www.unrisd.org/brett-scott << in which the united nations admits that bitcoin isn't for the poor (viz. africa) 1405230;1455407347;assbot;How Can Cryptocurrency and Blockchain Technology Play a Role in Building Social and Solidarity Finance? | Events | UNRISD ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1TjqU ) 1405231;1455407400;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: could you recommend a javascript blocker in particular ? using ff here 1405232;1455407413;jurov;pete_dushenski: noscript 1405233;1455407434;BingoBoingo;^ 1405234;1455407438;pete_dushenski;aha i think i used that one before... ty 1405235;1455407456;BingoBoingo;Lets you turn them back on one by one so the rare gem that is helped by javascript works 1405236;1455407585;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Another great way to excise javascript is just giving up and using Dillo as a web browser. It's my favorite for traversing untrusted sites atm 1405237;1455407617;pete_dushenski;i have 'lynxlet'. it's decent. 1405238;1455407689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78985 @ 0.00056662 = 44.7545 BTC [-] {3} 1405239;1455407694;BingoBoingo;I don't see that browser in my /usr/ports folder 1405240;1455407748;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: But i mean compare to BitBet << Is there a ClassicCoin bet or just XT? It's like the BFL delivery bets now, but with scamcoins. 1405241;1455407750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30269 @ 0.00055526 = 16.8072 BTC [-] 1405242;1455407801;pete_dushenski;mod6: all my hashes on 99996k_2 match :) 1405243;1455407811;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: I've been folowing other bitbet's gotta check that for our enjoyment. Have doubts it would get approved without sizable zeroconf on 'yes' 1405244;1455407846;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: "Lynxlet is an application for launching the text web browser Lynx in a Terminal window. Lynxlet is a Termlet - a class of applications designed to make Terminal based programs easy to use. " << Can't you just use... lynx??? 1405245;1455407860;BingoBoingo;Why do you need a wrapper for lynx? 1405246;1455408028;pete_dushenski;because reasons. 1405247;1455408038;pete_dushenski;bbias. cooking steaks 1405248;1455408151;thestringpuller;because terminal too hard? 1405249;1455408170;BingoBoingo;It still opens it in a terminal window apparently 1405250;1455408234;thestringpuller;why not open terminal and type `lynx` ? 1405251;1455408408;mircea_popescu;nasdaq.com lives off advertising now ? 1405252;1455408409;mircea_popescu;good god. 1405253;1455408566;BingoBoingo;Why wouldn't it 1405254;1455408594;BingoBoingo;Vircurex has/had (not sure if still online) on all its pages 1405255;1455408620;mircea_popescu;right, nasdaq, vircurex, whadda hell's the difference. 1405256;1455408726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28997 @ 0.00055526 = 16.1009 BTC [-] {2} 1405257;1455408749;BingoBoingo;Probably a smaller number of offering on Nasdaq 1405258;1455408773;BingoBoingo;vircurex was the one that listed itself on it's other hald 1405259;1455408776;BingoBoingo;*half 1405260;1455408796;BingoBoingo;;;google the impossibility of investing on cryptostocks trilema 1405261;1455408797;gribble;MPEx securities discussion thread - Bitcoin Talk: 1405262;1455408834;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com vircurex 1405263;1455408835;gribble;[CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public - Bitcoin Talk: ; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ...: ; Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall ...: ; OpenBSD Project survived after $20,000 Donation from Romanian ...: (1 more message) 1405281;1455410561;mircea_popescu;ah ok. so one year. 1405282;1455410587;BingoBoingo;Give or take a month or so 1405283;1455410601;BingoBoingo;May not have even taken the full year for Bitcoin price to peak 1405284;1455410636;mircea_popescu;ahh, that was a great read. thanks bb :) 1405285;1455410739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00057022 = 19.8722 BTC [+] {2} 1405286;1455410826;mircea_popescu;so not only is my beard half white, but here i sit basking in the glory of the writings i used to write. such is old age! 1405287;1455410892;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1405288;1455411290;BingoBoingo;I imagine it can't be long before old mp writes commentaries on young mp's trilemas 1405289;1455411371;pete_dushenski;now that'd be some kinda talmud 1405290;1455411388;*;asciilifeform back from maths library, opens book, finds letter 'to reader' circa 2001, inviting to talk to some long-gone prof merely for being interested in the text 1405291;1455411416;pete_dushenski;i remember reading that 'billionaire saves...' piece back when i first started hanging out here and i recall thinking that mp being a 'billionaire' was some kinda troll 1405292;1455411461;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405244 << holy shit wut ?! 1405293;1455411461;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 23:57:26; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: "Lynxlet is an application for launching the text web browser Lynx in a Terminal window. Lynxlet is a Termlet - a class of applications designed to make Terminal based programs easy to use. " << Can't you just use... lynx??? 1405294;1455411490;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's what came up when I googled pete's browser 1405295;1455411532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00056002 = 17.4166 BTC [-] {2} 1405296;1455411541;asciilifeform;how does it 'easier' ?? 1405297;1455411564;BingoBoingo;I have no idea 1405298;1455411698;BingoBoingo;lynx http://urlthattakesyoutoaurlwith.porn and youtube-dl http://porno.graphy are the only prerequisites to abandoning graphical www 1405299;1455411716;BingoBoingo;and launch perfectly fine in term window 1405300;1455411721;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have a harder time, on account of maths. 1405301;1455411781;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Only because you have yet to ship cardano so you can fund moving maths literature to pornhub 1405302;1455411804;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: move wut to wut ?! 1405303;1455411830;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405251 << no it lives of malware installations 1405304;1455411830;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2016 00:06:48; mircea_popescu: nasdaq.com lives off advertising now ? 1405305;1455411832;asciilifeform;*off 1405306;1455411835;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1405307;1455411842;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Instead of reading maths have pornography with the maths produced for your consumption 1405308;1455411849;asciilifeform;keylogger on trader's box is monetizable. 1405309;1455411860;asciilifeform;one of the few infections that still are. 1405310;1455411880;BingoBoingo;so youtube-dl http://porno.graphy/watch/maths works 1405311;1455411891;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not all 'tastes go great together', imho. i don't eat cake in the shitter either 1405312;1455411905;mats;i was reflecting earlier today on where the next great electronic heist will be 1405313;1455411927;mats;seems to me the real estate industry is ripe for this 1405314;1455411946;mats;so much data flows between brokers and firms without any kind of security at all 1405315;1455411953;asciilifeform;mats: if it happens very close to the money printer, nobody will even notice. 1405316;1455411956;asciilifeform;certainly not public. 1405317;1455411980;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You never know until you get the opportunity to try it. 1405318;1455412062;mats;just wanted to put that prediction in the log, continue with your regularly scheduled programmes 1405319;1455412069;asciilifeform;anyway this notion that plebes could steal serious money without official approval is lunacy. if $maxint grows legs, it is because lizards had a shadow payment to make, a la isis, and not because some uppity kid was rewarded for nietzschian 'will' or wtf else. 1405320;1455412200;mats;reminds me of mp's `in theory doe could shit on any blade of grass it wanted' 1405321;1455412447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24990 @ 0.00056155 = 14.0331 BTC [+] {2} 1405322;1455412584;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform back from maths library, opens book, finds letter 'to reader' circa 2001, inviting to talk to some long-gone prof merely for being interested in the text << sad huh. 1405323;1455412604;asciilifeform;aha! 1405324;1455412609;*;pete_dushenski off to the hockey game, looking to see if mc-collarbone can put up another 5-snacker. 1405325;1455412679;mircea_popescu;and in other "ustardia no es un pais pobre" news, i give you the campus of the future! http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7qhokzqOA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1405326;1455412680;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8Qtfr ) 1405327;1455414826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3110 @ 0.00056889 = 1.7692 BTC [+] 1405328;1455415315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74050 @ 0.00057011 = 42.2166 BTC [+] {4} 1405329;1455416168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35711 @ 0.00056608 = 20.2153 BTC [-] {2} 1405330;1455417571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12324 @ 0.00057196 = 7.0488 BTC [+] 1405331;1455417815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65864 @ 0.00057233 = 37.6959 BTC [+] 1405332;1455418257;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38b9rnv9Jk 1405333;1455418258;assbot;Daughter Get Lucky - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8VzrP ) 1405334;1455420377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60922 @ 0.00057226 = 34.8632 BTC [-] {2} 1405335;1455421219;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: all my hashes on 99996k_2 match :) << awesome, thanks for checking that out 1405336;1455421231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11040 @ 0.00057221 = 6.3172 BTC [-] 1405337;1455422024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00057049 = 26.8701 BTC [-] {2} 1405338;1455422451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40609 @ 0.00057087 = 23.1825 BTC [+] {2} 1405339;1455422507;danielpbarron;BCB, type /msg assbot !up 1405340;1455423000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00057082 = 30.7672 BTC [-] {3} 1405341;1455423610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00056947 = 19.9884 BTC [-] 1405342;1455424098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85325 @ 0.00057314 = 48.9032 BTC [+] {4} 1405343;1455424281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38660 @ 0.00056947 = 22.0157 BTC [-] 1405344;1455426111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103384 @ 0.00057264 = 59.2018 BTC [+] {2} 1405345;1455426843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00056947 = 28.6728 BTC [-] 1405346;1455426965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00056917 = 43.7692 BTC [-] {2} 1405347;1455427453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130850 @ 0.00057351 = 75.0438 BTC [+] {2} 1405348;1455428167;ben_vulpes;so cusp -> cuspy -> cuspily 1405349;1455428235;ben_vulpes;it ain't conjugation 'cause it ain't a verb, (and this question clearly makes me an "ESL" speaker) so what is the linguistic term of art for constructing language elements like this? 1405350;1455428271;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "like this" 1405351;1455428286;mircea_popescu;in general, re parts of speech, it's called flexion. 1405352;1455428308;mircea_popescu;verbs have conjugations, nouns have declensions. 1405353;1455428328;mircea_popescu;there's also derivation, when stems are altered to fit concepts. 1405354;1455428394;mircea_popescu;verbal flexion follows tense, aspect and number accord with the nouns. it also applies to adverbs in some languages. noun declension follows case and number. these are grammar rules. 1405355;1455428430;mircea_popescu;derivation on the other hand is how you obtain lesser from less, or beautiful from beauty, so it's prolly what you were after. 1405356;1455428443;ben_vulpes;c'est possible 1405357;1455428625;ben_vulpes;i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN 1405358;1455428666;mircea_popescu;that's unfortunate. 1405359;1455428734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29947 @ 0.00057383 = 17.1845 BTC [+] 1405360;1455428759;ben_vulpes;nothing like the forum to point out the inadequacies of one's history 1405361;1455428783;mircea_popescu;anyway, most latin speakers in the history of that language learned it as adults. 1405362;1455428794;mircea_popescu;the fate of all successful empires. 1405363;1455428937;ben_vulpes;i have only learned programming languages as an adult 1405364;1455428941;ben_vulpes;aaa 1405365;1455428946;ben_vulpes;i just referred to myself as an adult 1405366;1455429023;mircea_popescu;lol 1405367;1455429334;ben_vulpes;huh 1405368;1455429357;ben_vulpes;i suppose a 'learn latin as an adult' strategy is going to take a few weeks to cook up. 1405369;1455429376;mircea_popescu;what's the rush. 1405370;1455429400;ben_vulpes;every day i'm closer to dying and my myelin sheaths less conductive? 1405371;1455429512;mircea_popescu;that's a myth. 1405372;1455429515;mircea_popescu;what was i saying ? 1405373;1455429527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14534 @ 0.00056905 = 8.2706 BTC [-] {2} 1405374;1455429531;punkman;bon dia https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1wE4HfCAAAYFAH.jpg:large 1405375;1455429532;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20TeMun ) 1405376;1455429551;mircea_popescu;(incidentally the fucking point of myelin is to not conduct. it's the dielectric in the arrangement.) 1405377;1455429649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7416 @ 0.00056873 = 4.2177 BTC [-] {2} 1405378;1455429699;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b27 1405379;1455429769;asciilifeform;aha like the nylon in coax cable 1405380;1455429789;asciilifeform;!s myelin 1405381;1455429790;assbot;8 results for 'myelin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=myelin 1405382;1455429808;asciilifeform;see ^ old mega-thread. 1405383;1455429832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78181 @ 0.00057356 = 44.8415 BTC [+] {4} 1405384;1455429847;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405357 << go, learn 1405385;1455429847;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2016 05:43:45; ben_vulpes: i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN 1405386;1455429868;asciilifeform;srsly languages aren't hard , wtf 1405387;1455430058;ben_vulpes;i simply have not yet 1405388;1455430137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83422 @ 0.0005664 = 47.2502 BTC [-] {3} 1405389;1455430320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84050 @ 0.00057391 = 48.2371 BTC [+] 1405390;1455430871;punkman;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/16/this-startup-bets-10000-that-your-marriage-will-end-badly/ 1405391;1455430873;assbot;This startup bets up to $10,000 that your marriage will end badly - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/20TglIG ) 1405392;1455431113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00057245 = 6.5259 BTC [-] 1405393;1455431845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29560 @ 0.00057253 = 16.924 BTC [+] 1405394;1455432150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67296 @ 0.0005717 = 38.4731 BTC [-] {2} 1405395;1455432638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00057391 = 15.0938 BTC [+] 1405396;1455432671;mircea_popescu;hehe nice punkman 1405397;1455432699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2259 @ 0.00056639 = 1.2795 BTC [-] 1405398;1455432943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99583 @ 0.00056665 = 56.4287 BTC [+] {2} 1405399;1455433248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27096 @ 0.00056907 = 15.4195 BTC [+] 1405400;1455433747;punkman;in other latin news http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/10/ancient-greek-manuscripts-reveal-life-lessons-from-the-roman-empire 1405401;1455433748;assbot;Ancient Greek manuscripts reveal life lessons from the Roman empire | Books | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tgoxg4 ) 1405402;1455433919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00056529 = 24.2509 BTC [-] {2} 1405403;1455434468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63496 @ 0.00057165 = 36.2975 BTC [+] {3} 1405404;1455434590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00057432 = 19.412 BTC [+] {2} 1405405;1455434956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14885 @ 0.00056627 = 8.4289 BTC [-] 1405406;1455435167;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b26 1405407;1455435322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00057438 = 16.0252 BTC [+] 1405408;1455435514;punkman;lol "Several hospital staff members said the computer system was hacked and was being held on a ransom of 3.4 billion in bitcoins" http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/FBI-LAPD-Investigating-Hollywood-Hospital-Cyber-Attack-368703121.html 1405409;1455435516;assbot;FBI, LAPD Investigating Hollywood Hospital Cyber Attack | NBC Southern California ... ( http://bit.ly/20whUH9 ) 1405410;1455435810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00057294 = 15.4694 BTC [-] 1405411;1455437030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00057438 = 5.9161 BTC [+] 1405412;1455438433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37680 @ 0.00057158 = 21.5371 BTC [-] {2} 1405413;1455439165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263028 @ 0.00056005 = 147.3088 BTC [-] {6} 1405414;1455439653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00055952 = 25.2903 BTC [-] {4} 1405415;1455440141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64800 @ 0.00055945 = 36.2524 BTC [-] {2} 1405416;1455440446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127750 @ 0.00055945 = 71.4697 BTC [-] {3} 1405417;1455441483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00055945 = 8.3918 BTC [-] 1405418;1455442094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00055945 = 4.9791 BTC [-] 1405419;1455442886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.0005589 = 45.3827 BTC [-] {3} 1405420;1455443252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63200 @ 0.00056496 = 35.7055 BTC [+] {3} 1405421;1455443923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00055848 = 32.2243 BTC [-] {2} 1405422;1455445021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00056331 = 10.0382 BTC [+] {2} 1405423;1455445326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2714 @ 0.00056331 = 1.5288 BTC [+] 1405424;1455446363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54490 @ 0.00055906 = 30.4632 BTC [-] {4} 1405425;1455446735;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b97 1405426;1455447583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86850 @ 0.00056312 = 48.907 BTC [+] {2} 1405427;1455447766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00056038 = 13.0804 BTC [-] 1405428;1455448010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60521 @ 0.00056126 = 33.968 BTC [+] {2} 1405429;1455448071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00055839 = 34.6202 BTC [-] {2} 1405430;1455448132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33959 @ 0.00056009 = 19.0201 BTC [+] 1405431;1455448315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178100 @ 0.00055578 = 98.9844 BTC [-] {5} 1405432;1455448742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00056009 = 3.6283 BTC [+] 1405433;1455449047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00056249 = 29.362 BTC [+] 1405434;1455449840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45151 @ 0.00056614 = 25.5618 BTC [+] {3} 1405435;1455450511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153900 @ 0.00055776 = 85.8393 BTC [-] {6} 1405436;1455452219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00055415 = 47.2136 BTC [-] {2} 1405437;1455452646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00056729 = 50.3186 BTC [+] {3} 1405438;1455453012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84650 @ 0.00056758 = 48.0456 BTC [+] {2} 1405439;1455453378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.0005645 = 6.0339 BTC [-] 1405440;1455454683;mircea_popescu;lol @x.eur 1405441;1455454728;mircea_popescu;!up Bettermint 1405442;1455454734;mircea_popescu;punkman srsly, 3.4bn ?! 1405443;1455454821;BingoBoingo;Well, it's hollywood. Could be those Best Koreans again... 1405444;1455454923;mircea_popescu;lol 1405445;1455454980;mircea_popescu;actually a sort of commedia could be made where a fake bitcoin internet group attacks the hollywood fake hospital they use in films, and encrypts their made up records to be recovered upon payment of large sum in scamcoin. 1405446;1455455184;BingoBoingo;It just seems very Best Korean to focus on the entertainment industry and not... literally anything else. 1405447;1455455269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.0005645 = 14.2254 BTC [-] 1405448;1455455452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10951 @ 0.00056765 = 6.2163 BTC [+] 1405449;1455455990;punkman;probably typo, like the qntra posts that turn billions to millions, but in reverse 1405450;1455456199;punkman;actually surprised that no altcoin inventor yet has come up with ransomware as a feature 1405451;1455456224;mircea_popescu;aha. 1405452;1455456295;punkman;"our new wallet features built-in ransomware and keylogger" 1405453;1455456550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86560 @ 0.00056816 = 49.1799 BTC [+] {3} 1405454;1455456733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00057061 = 21.4264 BTC [+] {2} 1405455;1455456766;mircea_popescu;lol 1405456;1455456777;mircea_popescu;"give your friends the gift of blackmail!" 1405457;1455456799;mircea_popescu;(actually - this is a pretty well represented subculture, contrary to what intuition may be telling you) 1405458;1455458245;BingoBoingo;Apparently a new spambot turn on while I was sleeping: "I sat up in a cold sweat. Had someone's hand rellay been over my mouth or was I dreaming. My hotel room was pitch black save for the dim glow of my laptop screen. The Boingo application blinked angrily at me as the wifi had obviously been interrupted suddenly. My midnight snack, a half-eaten cream puff, lay awkwardly on the floor.Suddenly, I heard a wicked scream just before 1405459;1455458246;BingoBoingo;a dark figure in the corner started moving toward me. I tried to roll out of bed but realized my feet were tied to the bed. What the hell was happening?" 1405460;1455458323;BingoBoingo;AI at work 1405461;1455458422;mircea_popescu;sounds like women in text. 1405462;1455458496;BingoBoingo;Another machine generated gem: Stop screaming I was thknniig wait that was me screaming. Where is Cream Puff? I told them we shouldnt come to the Boingo house. Everyone knows its haunted. There are all sorts of wicked smells coming from the basement and now the basement has Cream Puff. Who knew what sort of ghoulish things they may do to her then I see her its Cream Puff I think.she came from the back of the house. 1405463;1455458497;BingoBoingo; Her eyes all glazed over; her body shaking. She never was the same dog after the Boingo house that fateful Halloween night. 1405464;1455458624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14111 @ 0.0005645 = 7.9657 BTC [-] 1405465;1455458685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22681 @ 0.00056369 = 12.7851 BTC [-] 1405466;1455458745;mircea_popescu;maybe save these for reddit ? 1405467;1455458807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00056369 = 9.3494 BTC [-] {2} 1405468;1455458811;mircea_popescu;and in further baltimore news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4thlkldUf1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1405469;1455458812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oBtm8q ) 1405470;1455458823;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Out of 50 these were the only ones of interest 1405471;1455458868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23864 @ 0.00056289 = 13.4328 BTC [-] 1405472;1455458941;BingoBoingo;In other news facebook.com in any part of a comment to qntra no longer passes go, goes straight to hell never to be seen. 1405473;1455458991;mircea_popescu;hey, they wanna be on qntra let them use our advertising platform. 1405474;1455459033;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Reddit level AI bot was linking nothing but facebook and such a variety of things there's no other way to prevent it from reemerging. 1405475;1455459421;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Burbuja! - http://trilema.com/2016/the-burbuja/ 1405476;1455459519;kakobrekla;http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it? 1405477;1455459520;assbot;Hamilton Technologies ... ( http://bit.ly/1oBuqt9 ) 1405478;1455460390;shinohai;http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2016-02-09/news/70480113_1_self-help-groups-swachh-bharat-mission-clean-india 1405479;1455460391;assbot;Govt asks banks to pitch in to make India open defecation free - timesofindia-economictimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAuY92 ) 1405480;1455460476;shinohai;tired of designated shitting streets. 1405481;1455460740;punkman;kakobrekla: wtf is that 1405482;1455460820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56989 @ 0.0005713 = 32.5578 BTC [+] 1405483;1455460889;kakobrekla;cant tell you anything more than what the pages says 1405484;1455460896;kakobrekla;-s 1405485;1455461047;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Now's your chance to audition for qntra. You've got a story, now your headline is "Indian Government And Banks Suppressing Cornerstone Of Local Culture" 1405486;1455461129;shinohai;Because Qntra is dedicated to preserving Indian rights to shit in the street? 1405487;1455461179;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Because Qntra points out ACTUAL oppression like this. 1405488;1455461383;BingoBoingo;Anyways I thought most areas in India where this is popular they generally had designated shitting fields. 1405489;1455461585;shinohai;"The Indian Government declined to comment as to whether they would also provide a toilet to Preet Bharara, so he would stop shitting in American streets and court buildings." 1405490;1455461604;punkman;ah apparently some Apollo mission thing, built on Ada 1405491;1455461626;BingoBoingo;"so he would stop shitting class of Americans that apires to productivity" 1405492;1455461845;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405476 << holy fuq, the sheer 'visual pr000000gramming!' crapolade ! 1405493;1455461845;assbot;Logged on 14-02-2016 14:18:39; kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it? 1405494;1455461859;asciilifeform;sooooo visual! 1405495;1455461872;kakobrekla;hypercard anyone? 1405496;1455461961;punkman;https://medium.com/@3fingeredfox/margaret-hamilton-lead-software-engineer-project-apollo-158754170da8 1405497;1455461962;assbot;Margaret Hamilton, lead software engineer, Project Apollo — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/243BbnL ) 1405498;1455461964;asciilifeform;not even the demented author of hypertalk thought that drawing the limbs the of the ast was a good idea... 1405499;1455462105;asciilifeform;anyway, looks like nail clippings... and i'm an esolang aficionado, even. 1405500;1455462128;asciilifeform;and proprietary crudlang, on top of this. 1405501;1455462167;asciilifeform;couldn't try it even if i wanted. 1405502;1455462325;asciilifeform;i'll use a proprietary compiler shortly after my appointment as reichsminister, where i will commute to ft. meade on flying pig over a frozen hell. 1405503;1455462493;shinohai;BingoBoingo: where to send poo in loo submission when finished? 1405504;1455462519;BingoBoingo;sign and encrypt it and get the text to me somehow. 1405505;1455462528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00056503 = 32.1502 BTC [-] {2} 1405506;1455462566;kakobrekla;compiler? it generates the code to be compiled. apparently can generate ada too. 1405507;1455462577;shinohai;kk 1405508;1455462610;asciilifeform;wtf, why would ~generated~ ada seem like a good idea. 1405509;1455462698;asciilifeform;but i will add that this thing is extremely appealing when seen in contrast with microshit, and thus survives 1405510;1455462718;kakobrekla;because ada has huge overhead? 1405511;1455462745;asciilifeform;this is an entire business model, if one can call usgtronics 'business' 1405512;1455462773;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla 17 Inman Street Cambridge,Massachusetts02139, 1-5mn revenue, 10-20 employees. looks like one of the [very numerous, usually derpy] some-guys-on-mit-campus-incorporeted-a-something deals. 1405513;1455462789;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: no, because generated code is idiocy 1405514;1455462799;asciilifeform;unreadable crud 1405515;1455462845;copypaste;asciilifeform: it's business if you can cash into BTC; not whether you have the foresight to do so, but whether you have the ability to 1405516;1455462846;mircea_popescu;(617) 492-0058 if you feel like asking orally. 1405517;1455462888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with my luck, i'll end up working there next ! 1405518;1455462908;mircea_popescu;hey, you earned it! 1405519;1455462923;asciilifeform;prolly 1405520;1455462988;asciilifeform;pet informs me that the hamilton chick is being passed around the pheminizm circles 1405521;1455463006;asciilifeform;did she keel over recently? or why. 1405522;1455463386;kakobrekla;i know you are not a fan of abstraction but you also didnt write 'v' in machine code 1405523;1455463429;asciilifeform;actually i like abstraction. 1405524;1455463432;kakobrekla;afaik home computers werent good for much before the 'basic' came around 1405525;1455463447;kakobrekla;do you suggest the current level of abs is the best there is and ever will be 1405526;1455463449;asciilifeform;what i dislike is crud that adds nothing. 1405527;1455463454;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b27 1405528;1455463468;asciilifeform;i like, e.g., 'j'. 1405529;1455463476;asciilifeform;and even apl. 1405530;1455463505;asciilifeform;even haskell, i admit has a bright side. 1405531;1455463510;kakobrekla;i suspect we need to break out of this 'writing code' thing we do, like we did with machine code. 1405532;1455463537;asciilifeform;but what spiffy abstraction am i missing in the linked nail clippings? 1405533;1455463566;copypaste;it is just a new language, is what you're missing. all languages are just machine code generators 1405534;1455463582;kakobrekla;im not claiming the linked implementation is worth much but i suspect it has some good ideas, like not 'writing code' anymore. 1405535;1455463586;asciilifeform;realize, there is not nor cannot be any escape from actually specifying a problem. 1405536;1455463587;copypaste;it's an IDE for a new proprietary language. it's crud, sure, but code generation isn't bad by itself 1405537;1455463643;BingoBoingo;In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers 1405538;1455463644;asciilifeform;the spec can look like, say, 'prolog' (constraint-based programming) BUT you still have to ... program! 1405539;1455463667;asciilifeform;copypaste: not new 1405540;1455463674;kakobrekla;this is like claiming 'you still need to machine code' in the seventies 1405541;1455463681;asciilifeform;mno 1405542;1455463697;asciilifeform;more like 'still need arithmetic' 1405543;1455463748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00057023 = 20.8704 BTC [+] 1405544;1455463935;kakobrekla;but you do arithmetic with 'special symbols', visually, not in plaintext (as argued not so long ago with mo) 1405545;1455463939;kakobrekla;with mp* 1405546;1455464053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00057099 = 27.0649 BTC [+] {2} 1405547;1455464098;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers << i suspect living in a van will be the new middle class in the us. 1405548;1455464108;mircea_popescu;"hey, at least i don't live in the projects. i choose who rapes me!" 1405549;1455464120;BingoBoingo;lol 1405550;1455464163;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla while he is stuck in a very hard to defend middle, still, i gotta say this "code generators" line you're arguing has a lot in common with the "betterment" that was to come from autocading all architecture. 1405551;1455464168;mircea_popescu;it still has failed to materialize. 1405552;1455464187;mircea_popescu;meanwhile medicine goes through the same process as we speak, and the deleterious effects are pointedly obvious. 1405553;1455464234;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the move from asm to c/basic HAS resulted in shittier programs throughout. 1405554;1455464253;asciilifeform;aha and so i even liked 'mathematica' 1405555;1455464273;asciilifeform;but the hamilton thing is garbage. 1405556;1455464297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61618 @ 0.00056888 = 35.0532 BTC [-] {2} 1405557;1455464311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was largely from lowering the entry bar. 1405558;1455464312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the sake of argument, consider this issue : <asciilifeform> but the hamilton thing is garbage. ; hamiltoninc : "Here are some properties and features that make 001 unique: Always number one when put to the test." 1405559;1455464313;kakobrekla;actually without 'code generators' your computer is useless, its just a matter of how away from the bedrock your abstraction is 1405560;1455464320;mircea_popescu;now how do i, as a third party, resolve this dispute ? 1405561;1455464356;mircea_popescu;note that they're not even fucking contradictory ffs. 1405562;1455464381;kakobrekla;and to think current setup is optimal seems far fetched to me. 1405563;1455464401;mircea_popescu;the "we are living in best possible world" argument is broken by definition. 1405564;1455464492;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: did i say this?? where? 1405565;1455464527;kakobrekla;somewhere in the logs where you pasted a pic of a triple integral or somesuch 1405566;1455464543;kakobrekla;i dont recall 1405567;1455464544;mircea_popescu;actually, let's cut the discussion to a particularly comfortable example : the internet was "going to open up human knowledge". instead it has created the WORST fucking style of prose the english language has ever known. tedious, humourless but contrived, inept and coming up short in all measures, from cracked to wikipedia the language is bleeding. there is not more knowledge but less, and even its clothes are haggard 1405568;1455464544;mircea_popescu;as never before. 1405569;1455464549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you resolve it by sending the proprietary crud to hell 1405570;1455464552;mircea_popescu;this shit just doesn't work and is certainly no solution. 1405571;1455464585;kakobrekla;or was it a matrix 1405572;1455464594;mircea_popescu;i recall a matrix. 1405573;1455464599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elementary iq-drop-from-admitting-human-waste situation 1405574;1455464612;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and its network effects. which are never well accounted for. 1405575;1455464627;mircea_popescu;but allowing one rotten apple in rots the set, and allowing one lazy slavegirl ruins the lot and so on. 1405576;1455464672;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: aha. understand, i like rich notation, MEANINGFUL graphical devices, etc. 1405577;1455464691;mircea_popescu;meaning is not a property of things. 1405578;1455464709;asciilifeform;But this is crud. tell me, what does drawing the ast ADD??? 1405579;1455464727;mircea_popescu;i don't see what drawing the matrix adds, either. arguing to ignorance alfie ? 1405580;1455464735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: MEANINGLESSNESS can, however, be. 1405581;1455464750;mircea_popescu;it can be, but it's a much tougher nut than generally understood. 1405582;1455464764;mircea_popescu;you can prove that meaning is impossible, just not trivially. 1405583;1455464771;asciilifeform;go and make for me something i can use in place of a matrix. 1405584;1455464776;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 8.88800000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b28 1405585;1455464783;kakobrekla;i am not defending the implementation, just that there might be some merit to the ideas presented there. why do you chart v patches?! 1405586;1455464785;mircea_popescu;(in fact, the lulzy otp discussion last week was EXACTLY re proven absence of meaning) 1405587;1455464803;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: have you seen interlisp ? 1405588;1455464814;kakobrekla;i dont think so 1405589;1455464829;asciilifeform;that was where she lifted the interesting part. 1405590;1455464853;asciilifeform;it had a structure editor 1405591;1455464907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78555 @ 0.00056489 = 44.3749 BTC [-] 1405592;1455464930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> that was where she lifted the interesting part. << lol nicely put, what meaning is contemplated ? "she [metaphorical person] lifted her skirt, rather than shoes and sleeves and whatnot random insanities" "she [interlisp author] stole the good bits for once, rather than dubious ux or w/e" 1405593;1455464934;asciilifeform;incidentally i cannot tell, from the screenshots, whether that thing has a structure editor, like interlisp, or merely clutters the display 1405594;1455464963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i`d answer but my gas mask cartridge needs changing 1405595;1455464973;mircea_popescu;burbujas! 1405596;1455464983;asciilifeform;Aha! 1405597;1455465006;kakobrekla;there is a workflow video buried somewhere on site. 1405598;1455465006;asciilifeform;btw youbastard!111 now i wonder if i have it11! 1405599;1455465025;mircea_popescu;you're well & come. 1405600;1455465040;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i`ll watch it when i get my computer back together 1405601;1455465067;asciilifeform;(right now i`m on a toystore thing) 1405602;1455465162;asciilifeform;but if you like structure editors, interlisp (destroyed by commonlisp, incidentally, and by symbolics, as described in the pitman link from mircea_popescu ) is your sunken atlantis ! 1405603;1455465173;*;asciilifeform bbl 1405604;1455465212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00056489 = 15.9299 BTC [-] 1405605;1455465221;punkman;/me remembers a hospital visit that concluded in a thunderous fart while doctor was palpating 1405606;1455465227;kakobrekla;i dont see it as a 'cake of death' question, more like 'piss or shit' one. 1405607;1455465255;kakobrekla;'cake OR death' i meant. 1405608;1455465273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16451 @ 0.00056489 = 9.293 BTC [-] 1405609;1455465480;punkman;"The history of Vandwelling goes back to horse drawn vehicles such as Roma Vardo wagons in Europe, and covered Conestoga wagons in the United States. One of the first uses of the term Vandwellers was in the United Kingdom showman and Van Dwellers' Protection Association, a guild for travelling show performers formed in the late 1800s. Shortly afterwards in 1901, Albert Bigalow wrote “The 1405610;1455465480;punkman;Vandwellers”, about people living on the verge of poverty having to live a nomadic life in horse drawn moving vans." 1405611;1455465639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72294 @ 0.00056389 = 40.7659 BTC [-] {4} 1405612;1455466031;BingoBoingo;Congrats to shinohai on his first qntra piece 1405613;1455466047;shinohai;\o/ I poo'd in the loo 1405614;1455466072;deedbot-;[Qntra] Government, Banks Assault Rural Indian Culture - http://qntra.net/2016/02/government-banks-assault-rural-indian-culture/ 1405615;1455466114;shinohai;Will remember to add the archive.is links next time though BingoBoingo, thanks 1405616;1455466437;BingoBoingo;Fuege state https://i.imgur.com/o0eT4ni.jpg 1405617;1455466438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ogkNAg ) 1405618;1455466518;shinohai;Sithosi? 1405619;1455466536;shinohai;*Sitoshi 1405620;1455466593;shinohai;>mfw "satoshi" is Bitcoin's shibboleth 1405621;1455467652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61546 @ 0.00057137 = 35.1655 BTC [+] {3} 1405622;1455467713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62754 @ 0.00057342 = 35.9844 BTC [+] {2} 1405623;1455468079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34550 @ 0.00057342 = 19.8117 BTC [+] 1405624;1455469055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00056432 = 11.0607 BTC [-] {2} 1405625;1455469587;mats;what an excellent troll 1405626;1455469665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59819 @ 0.00057351 = 34.3068 BTC [+] {2} 1405627;1455469988;BingoBoingo;Now this is promising 1405628;1455469989;BingoBoingo;http://jeff.mulb.us/articles/gwhb/gwhb.php 1405629;1455469990;assbot;jeff blum - Gateway Handbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqanKw ) 1405630;1455470153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65888 @ 0.00057399 = 37.8191 BTC [+] {2} 1405631;1455470967;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/hartsline/ 1405632;1455470968;assbot;Hart's line ... ( http://bit.ly/1mAQq5M ) 1405633;1455470968;ben_vulpes;congratulations on surviving the bubble attempt mircea_popescu 1405634;1455471000;mircea_popescu;"p 1405635;1455471281;BingoBoingo;To be fair many markets do not overcome bubbles as robustly as mircea_popescu does 1405636;1455471291;mircea_popescu;because no mucus. 1405637;1455471328;BingoBoingo;Oil industry too? Not mucus but still has lubricant. 1405638;1455471348;mircea_popescu;mucus is also sticky. 1405639;1455471369;BingoBoingo;So are certain petroleum fractions 1405640;1455471400;mircea_popescu;hm. not in same way i dun think. 1405641;1455471656;ben_vulpes;"on the reception and detection of profound bullshit": http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5acbe1d5-c431-4e41-8d57-213e039e5764/?raw=true 1405642;1455471657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lVysv0 ) 1405643;1455471659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sqdnql ) 1405644;1455471728;ben_vulpes;"This sort of 1405645;1455471728;ben_vulpes;phenomenon is similar to what Buekens and Boudry (2015) 1405646;1455471728;ben_vulpes;referred to as obscurantism (p. 1): “[when] the speaker... 1405647;1455471728;ben_vulpes;[sets] up a game of verbal smoke and mirrors to suggest 1405648;1455471732;ben_vulpes;depth and insight where none exists.”" 1405649;1455471743;ben_vulpes;what is this obscurantist claptrap?! 1405650;1455471862;mod6;morning 1405651;1455471867;ben_vulpes;why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style 1405652;1455472114;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b15 1405653;1455472411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50972 @ 0.00056432 = 28.7645 BTC [-] 1405654;1455472594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28030 @ 0.00056314 = 15.7848 BTC [-] {2} 1405655;1455472655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22320 @ 0.00056231 = 12.5508 BTC [-] {2} 1405656;1455472808;mod6;so was thinking about pushing out that v99995 today. 1405657;1455472852;mod6;but found an edge case that causes an infinte loop. 1405658;1455472899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5978 @ 0.0005636 = 3.3692 BTC [+] 1405659;1455472900;mod6;this happens if the antecedent hash matches the descendant hash. 1405660;1455472987;ben_vulpes;i would like to see the vdiff that craps that down 1405661;1455472989;mod6;the fix for this amounts to adding one condition statement when building the map of hashes. 1405662;1455473016;ben_vulpes;i am reminded of the "enumerating badness" thread 1405663;1455473021;mod6;ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal. 1405664;1455473092;ben_vulpes;ideally a v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like and barfs on anything that doesn't look like that instead of trying to catch all of the edge cases 1405665;1455473097;mod6;to test it, i had to hand-diddle one of the vpatches. easy enough to do. if someone is doing something very strange or bad or whatever on their system it could lead to an infinate loop. 1405666;1455473120;ben_vulpes;well at least it's not a fork bomb? 1405667;1455473143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63304 @ 0.00056606 = 35.8339 BTC [+] 1405668;1455473172;mod6;well, no forking going on. im guessing it'll die when it runs out of ram, but haven't checked that yet. 1405669;1455473189;mod6;what do you mean by "v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like" 1405670;1455473205;mod6;how would it know ahead of time, short of having a hash for the vpatch itself? 1405671;1455473238;ben_vulpes;the structure, not the contents. 'fork bomb' was a joke, mod6. 1405672;1455473296;ben_vulpes;don't take me too seriously this morning mod6 i got dressed and went to the office before realizing it was still sunday 1405673;1455473328;mod6;yeah, in this regard, my V basically does know what to look for in a given vpatch file -- the thing it wasn't doing is checking that the hashes match eachother -- which can cause a downstream infinate loop when traversing the map. 1405674;1455473346;mod6;*infinte 1405675;1455473363;mod6;no worries ben_vulpes. 1405676;1455473372;mod6;ive been a bit fried lately myself. 1405677;1455473413;mod6;ive got problems at the shit-shoveling factory that are giving me headaches :/ 1405678;1455473436;ben_vulpes;good auld-gean stables 1405679;1455473611;mod6;so one of my cpu threads goes to 100% and memory usage starts to climb. 1405680;1455473814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5518 @ 0.00056606 = 3.1235 BTC [+] 1405681;1455474117;BingoBoingo; why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style << Journals demand it for printing 1405682;1455474402;jurov;https://medium.com/@21/true-micropayments-with-bitcoin-e64fec23ffd8#.cirap8jjc 1405683;1455474403;assbot;True Micropayments with Bitcoin — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1odyMWM ) 1405684;1455474485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96547 @ 0.00055889 = 53.9592 BTC [-] {3} 1405685;1455474790;jurov;apparently opening and closing of the tab still requires macrotransactions 1405686;1455474865;shinohai;That's good since that $400 box only produces pennies a week. 1405687;1455475888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005589 = 7.2657 BTC [+] {2} 1405688;1455476132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71649 @ 0.00055912 = 40.0604 BTC [+] 1405689;1455476864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00055859 = 42.1456 BTC [-] {3} 1405690;1455476893;mod6;ok, so instead what I'll do here is add an automated test to check for this, so i don't regress later. and then most likely will put out a 3rd beta patch for people to test/review. 1405691;1455476926;mod6;then in a few days i'll consider publishing the bundle again. thanks for your support/patience/help, etc. 1405692;1455477413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00055633 = 43.6163 BTC [-] {2} 1405693;1455477979;mircea_popescu;so in "weird of the crowd" news, eulora player just bought an auctioned package from s.mg for 140, split it up, and barely managed to recoup HALF the cost. 1405694;1455477986;mircea_popescu;this is possibly the weirdest thing i ever saw. 1405695;1455478028;mircea_popescu; ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal. << lol io like how he thinks. 1405696;1455478096;mircea_popescu;and cheers mod6 1405697;1455478206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00055592 = 42.8058 BTC [-] {3} 1405698;1455478328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78657 @ 0.00056433 = 44.3885 BTC [+] {2} 1405699;1455478633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00056644 = 29.4832 BTC [+] {2} 1405700;1455478877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19081 @ 0.00056628 = 10.8052 BTC [-] {2} 1405701;1455478938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63319 @ 0.000555 = 35.142 BTC [-] {2} 1405702;1455479609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53862 @ 0.00055879 = 30.0975 BTC [+] 1405703;1455479869;mircea_popescu;!up cameonxfactor 1405704;1455480219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73150 @ 0.00055728 = 40.765 BTC [-] {2} 1405705;1455480524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005539 = 30.5199 BTC [-] {4} 1405706;1455480768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80068 @ 0.00056207 = 45.0038 BTC [+] {5} 1405707;1455480886;shinohai;https://medium.com/@barmstrong/i-ll-bet-you-5-000-that-bitcoin-s-first-hard-fork-works-out-just-fine-a380abbe97b3#.gbp4xpqms << i have been running mine for 2 years are are as good as new as far as i can tell << good bearings, less wear, last longer. 1405803;1455490142;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.binaryatrocity:cca6afbd0049d1b89a8a4d530197592913a11f642ed93492ad55ed0631fde6d2 1405804;1455490142;assbot;Successfully unrated binaryatrocity 1405805;1455490165;asciilifeform;!unrate rebeccabitcoin 1405806;1455490165;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1d4669c7dbbb79fd 1405807;1455490197;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.rebeccabitcoin:276362c9ec8c098210179b76f98cee871c02820c1f567498f81738aca4c4fd8d 1405808;1455490198;assbot;Successfully unrated rebeccabitcoin 1405809;1455490247;asciilifeform;!rated kanzure 1405810;1455490247;assbot;You rated user kanzure on 22-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: meat programmer. 1405811;1455490264;asciilifeform;!rate kanzure -1 minor-league quisling; inquire within 1405812;1455490264;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f13b1f138055f7ce 1405813;1455490293;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kanzure.-1:07c6735219a02aee0857eb3bb1e8cb965dc3a795963df5d5a292d7fe4e168003 1405814;1455490293;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for kanzure from 1 to -1 with note: minor-league quisling; inquire within 1405815;1455490310;asciilifeform;!rated jurov 1405816;1455490310;assbot;You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: live human!!. 1405817;1455490328;shinohai;This is why I like asciilifeform he can use "quisling" in a sentence. 1405818;1455490362;asciilifeform;!rate jurov 4 therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect 1405819;1455490362;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b8683351fca2f521 1405820;1455490394;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.jurov.4:c5dd088ae79af018d445e669fc8e8b0e584ef1c8b7dc458fdbb9adfc93d51d0e 1405821;1455490394;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 4 with note: therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect 1405822;1455490435;asciilifeform;almost done.... 1405823;1455490438;asciilifeform;!rated BingoBoingo 1405824;1455490438;assbot;You rated user BingoBoingo on 25-Jan-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: retrocomputing archaeology enthusiast, intelligent commentary.. 1405825;1455490529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67244 @ 0.00056448 = 37.9579 BTC [-] 1405826;1455490539;asciilifeform;!rate BingoBoingo 3 preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader. 1405827;1455490539;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6249b9a2ac441f9 1405828;1455490567;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.BingoBoingo.3:e96cd04596f1c29a6c5713345d09780e3556a0334d1a5acd6a75d0c59af68312 1405829;1455490568;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader. 1405830;1455490590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10275 @ 0.00056431 = 5.7983 BTC [-] 1405831;1455490658;asciilifeform;i think that's all for now. 1405832;1455490669;mircea_popescu;cool huh. 1405833;1455490677;asciilifeform;sorry about the noise, but tradition dictates that this oughta be done 'in forum.' 1405834;1455491052;asciilifeform;sooo in other newz i put down 5btc on a bitbet and whaddayaknow, 'high S value' 1405835;1455491069;asciilifeform;(generated, naturally, from ancient box) 1405836;1455491137;asciilifeform;idiocy. 1405837;1455491139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00055933 = 34.5107 BTC [-] {4} 1405838;1455491166;asciilifeform;does anyone have a link handy to where in the logz mircea_popescu calculated what it would cost to run a guaranteed-block-in-x-days mine ? 1405839;1455491627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.0005518 = 37.2189 BTC [-] {4} 1405840;1455491806;kakobrekla;i dont but according to ze enemy; Current cost per TH: 0.0039 BTC per day 1405841;1455491817;asciilifeform;which enemy 1405842;1455491826;kakobrekla;http://nodecounter.com/mining_donation_fund.php 1405843;1455491828;assbot;NodeCounter.com (XTnodes.com) - Bitcoin Classic, XT, Unlimited Nodes, Blocks, Graphs, Charts, Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pu56hn ) 1405844;1455491837;asciilifeform;l0l! 1405845;1455491844;asciilifeform;what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? 1405846;1455491845;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a very simple calculation really : 1 block out of 24 * 60 / 10 = 1/144 of total hash 1405847;1455491884;mircea_popescu;!s 25.25 1405848;1455491885;assbot;5 results for '25.25' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=25.25 1405849;1455491943;asciilifeform;hm 1405850;1455492252;mircea_popescu;lol @ scam foundation's bfl-pushing rag whining "bitcoin dictators" 1405851;1455492272;mircea_popescu;the plural invalidates the point, derps. what fucking dictatorS ? how's that shit supposed to work ? 1405852;1455492359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00055147 = 33.943 BTC [-] {3} 1405853;1455492528;kakobrekla;roughly 1 petahash will get you 1 block per 1000 blocks 1405854;1455492576;kakobrekla;you need more like 1 per 100 (144 per day) 1405855;1455492618;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1405856;1455492619;gribble;1214630509.42 1405857;1455492625;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1214630509.42/144 1405858;1455492626;gribble;8434934.09319 1405859;1455492635;mircea_popescu;8,4 PH 1405860;1455492708;kakobrekla;30 bt per day according to node counter donations 1405861;1455492760;mircea_popescu;but you get the 25+change back. 1405862;1455492770;kakobrekla;yeah. 1405863;1455492777;shinohai;I should throw up a donation page like that saying I'll mine classic blocks - 35 BTC!!! 1405864;1455492893;asciilifeform;i have my wrath bit set, re: the high-S thing 1405865;1455492919;asciilifeform;send perfectly valid tx, now i have to figure out a way to double-spend own tx, failed to make a bet in time, and may very well end up in limbo 1405866;1455492927;mircea_popescu;there's really better things to chew the scenery about. 1405867;1455492977;kakobrekla;what limbo? 1405868;1455492984;asciilifeform;1) it was a good chunk of my net worth 2) it was a surrender to shitgnomery which i still don't properly understand 1405869;1455493024;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he'll have to reconstruct the wallet 1405870;1455493030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055285 = 22.114 BTC [+] 1405871;1455493033;mircea_popescu;speaking of which asciilifeform ... good time to make a wallet fixer now :) 1405872;1455493055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've already unsheathed the knives 1405873;1455493060;kakobrekla;he is speaking like he will lose the btc 1405874;1455493063;asciilifeform;but i'd be curious to see what mircea_popescu has in mind 1405875;1455493080;mircea_popescu;well he can't spend it again till he convinces his wallet that tx should go away 1405876;1455493217;asciilifeform;i would malleate own tx to low-s atm but i don't have a handy proggy written for this 1405877;1455493231;asciilifeform;(anybody else?) 1405878;1455493306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i contemplated 'fixing wallet' ages ago, but doing so was complicated by the fact that i REALLY, ~REALLY~ do not like spending coin. 1405879;1455493310;asciilifeform;so how to test?. 1405880;1455493338;mircea_popescu;sending coins to yourself is called mixing not spending. 1405881;1455493353;asciilifeform;it is only 'to yourself' if your test is successful ! 1405882;1455493359;trinque;asciilifeform: pick up some deedbot- dust 1405883;1455493360;asciilifeform;plus there is fee 1405884;1455493380;mircea_popescu;money is for practical people asciilifeform 1405885;1455493382;mircea_popescu;not for idealists. 1405886;1455493390;asciilifeform;not only this, 1405887;1455493394;asciilifeform;but money is for people... with money. 1405888;1455493420;mircea_popescu;looking at the block spam atm, "money" is ~5000 satoshi 1405889;1455493444;asciilifeform;how's that 1405890;1455493502;mircea_popescu;tx fee for the spam blocks. 1405891;1455494922;punkman;this weather http://i.imgur.com/FZRafjn.png 1405892;1455494923;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20UIOhc ) 1405893;1455495078;punkman;a wallet spec might be nice to have 1405894;1455495090;asciilifeform;the whole 'wallet' concept is braindamaged and must die. 1405895;1455495117;asciilifeform;specify x1 from addr a1, x2 from a2, ... x_n(a_n) 1405896;1455495126;asciilifeform;enough with the 'intelligence'. 1405897;1455495141;asciilifeform;and enough with the machine 'knowing' that you 'spent.' 1405898;1455495150;mats;punkman: mine http://imgur.com/WcmNYnu 1405899;1455495151;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/20UJgMw ) 1405900;1455495217;punkman;took me a sec to realize that was in F 1405901;1455495271;punkman;asciilifeform: what do you mean 'knowing' that you 'spent.' 1405902;1455495282;asciilifeform;punkman: see thread from 1/2hr ago 1405903;1455495593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58221 @ 0.00055309 = 32.2015 BTC [+] {2} 1405904;1455495957;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2016#1402007 < watched. not bad. i return the ball with another war flick; 'lepa sela, lepo gore' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116860/ 1405905;1455495957;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 13:43:13; *: adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved 1405906;1455495959;assbot;Joli village, jolie flamme (1996) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qgc6vI ) 1405907;1455495959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055342 = 32.4858 BTC [+] 1405908;1455496020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16629 @ 0.00055342 = 9.2028 BTC [+] 1405909;1455496616;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo some lulz, http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/Mensch_Computer.cfm 1405910;1455496618;assbot;The Mensch Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULDz2 ) 1405911;1455496618;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1405912;1455496638;asciilifeform;'The Mensch Computer is a solid state computer that was never designed to compete in the PC market. It's not a PDA, calculator, home controller or personal organizer, but it could be any of these things. It was designed to provide simplicity without complexity allowing users to evolve it into their own creation. Many people put a lot of thought and many years into the design to provide a head start for many projects. There are 1405913;1455496638;asciilifeform; several assembly language library routines built into firmware and a ROM monitor allowing the ease of programming any of the included devices including graphics, sound, game controllers, communication to a PC, Printer or Modem or other solid state devices. The ROM monitor provides an easy interface menu for checking registers and modifying data in memory. All software listings, schematics and documentation are included.' 1405914;1455496656;*;asciilifeform does not own this box, cannot recommend or disrecommend !! 1405915;1455496668;asciilifeform;but sounds vaguely and pleasantly temple-os-y. 1405916;1455496793;asciilifeform;appears to use a variant of the 6502 processor that is still made by western design inc. 1405917;1455496813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87286 @ 0.0005585 = 48.7492 BTC [+] {2} 1405918;1455496831;asciilifeform;interestingly, the chip design is licensable... http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c02s-core.cfm - presumably for serious dough 1405919;1455496832;assbot;W65C02S 8-bit Core ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULVWx ) 1405920;1455496899;asciilifeform;now, mad kudos to anyone who can locate a 'mensch computer' available for purchase... 1405921;1455496903;mircea_popescu;!up Computer8 1405922;1455497301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00056327 = 52.4404 BTC [+] {3} 1405923;1455499009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00055849 = 18.4302 BTC [-] 1405924;1455499215;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/commit/e2edf81271e1a7dd148aa7386b730ae2838c2860#diff-b2301b53c4e2272d63fb6047c851c925L82 1405925;1455499217;assbot;Add some useful key bindings · ch11ng/exwm@e2edf81 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U24Byg ) 1405926;1455499229;ben_vulpes;this is why tab aligned shit in code is the devil 1405927;1455500032;mircea_popescu;eh ? 1405928;1455500054;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/b4ae78d04011ef41870a94e938edd05b/tumblr_nltsroIJdF1s9sr6mo1_1280.jpg << the ACTUAL devil. 1405929;1455500055;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U25OWi ) 1405930;1455500574;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" 1405931;1455500970;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what am i looking at 1405932;1455501136;trinque;asciilifeform: exwm is... an x11 window manager written in elisp 1405933;1455501163;trinque;I use the thing, love it actually 1405934;1455501174;asciilifeform;ick 1405935;1455501175;asciilifeform;why elisp 1405936;1455501187;trinque;so that all windows are emacs buffers 1405937;1455501224;trinque;rather, emacs windows 1405938;1455501272;trinque;amounts to being able to get around rather quickly with a uniform set of keybindings and a simple mental model 1405939;1455501295;trinque;rather than having window management both at the x11 level and again in emacs 1405940;1455501327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00055849 = 31.1079 BTC [-] 1405941;1455502876;BingoBoingo; what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? << during the Altcoin srs bsns days rented hash with varying relability from https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256 1405942;1455502877;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ97Oj ) 1405943;1455503070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: very spiffy looking machine 1405944;1455503081;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: quite unobtainable, it seems. 1405945;1455503110;mircea_popescu;!up k8 1405946;1455503134;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" << should be fixed now 1405947;1455503146;mircea_popescu;cool 1405948;1455503199;BingoBoingo;Bugged shinohai to write to for the occasion to dust off the preecture 1405949;1455503235;BingoBoingo;!up Computer0 1405950;1455503623;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Shame. That 6502 box looks like it would make a spiffy musical instrument since it has the game port for midi 1405951;1455504349;mircea_popescu;in other news, bride's maids. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4u88luixN1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1405952;1455504351;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQbAbt ) 1405953;1455504622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00056434 = 22.3196 BTC [+] {2} 1405954;1455505292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056577 = 7.3957 BTC [+] {2} 1405955;1455505897;asciilifeform;does pywallet actually work with trb ? 1405956;1455505905;asciilifeform;for anybody ? 1405957;1455505940;asciilifeform;i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.' 1405958;1455506024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.0005586 = 30.3599 BTC [-] {2} 1405959;1455506067;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1405960;1455507309;trinque;asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me 1405961;1455507358;trinque;I saw the same error with pywallet 1405962;1455508492;asciilifeform;to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light, 1405963;1455508503;asciilifeform;in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing 1405964;1455508517;asciilifeform;it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis 1405965;1455508534;asciilifeform;(the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period) 1405966;1455508589;asciilifeform;this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. 1405967;1455508612;asciilifeform;(would have to laser a few million holes) 1405968;1455508891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71391 @ 0.0005586 = 39.879 BTC [-] 1405969;1455509300;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work 1405970;1455509315;mod6;i'll log my usage next time i use it. 1405971;1455509380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2} 1405972;1455509860;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b17 1405973;1455509866;asciilifeform;aaaah finally. 1405974;1455510024;mod6;i think i had to do a -rescan too 1405975;1455510049;kakobrekla;the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :) 1405976;1455510307;asciilifeform;funnily enough, the malleators got to it first. 1405977;1455510316;asciilifeform;interestingly, immediately while i sent the double. 1405978;1455510332;asciilifeform;(is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) 1405979;1455511864;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion 1405980;1455511898;ben_vulpes;before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? 1405981;1455512185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2} 1405982;1455512734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278814 @ 0.0005593 = 155.9407 BTC [+] {2} 1405983;1455513649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61243 @ 0.00055312 = 33.8747 BTC [-] {3} 1405984;1455514015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00055869 = 50.5614 BTC [+] {2} 1405985;1455515152;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/14/what-else-have-you-come-to-expect-from-your-stock-exchange/ 1405986;1455515410;ben_vulpes;front running, primarily 1405987;1455518530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102691 @ 0.0005586 = 57.3632 BTC [-] {2} 1405988;1455520299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72730 @ 0.00055222 = 40.163 BTC [-] {3} 1405989;1455520360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158220 @ 0.00055156 = 87.2678 BTC [-] {4} 1405990;1455521153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39890 @ 0.00055835 = 22.2726 BTC [+] {2} 1405991;1455521214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29610 @ 0.00056042 = 16.594 BTC [+] {2} 1405992;1455521336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119550 @ 0.00055117 = 65.8924 BTC [-] {3} 1405993;1455522312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90841 @ 0.00055113 = 50.0652 BTC [-] {3} 1405994;1455524447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86550 @ 0.00056042 = 48.5044 BTC [+] {2} 1405995;1455525118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220600 @ 0.00056395 = 124.4074 BTC [+] {5} 1405996;1455526826;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca9FJ9LWIAESaBy.jpg:large 1405997;1455526827;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/244JvDW ) 1405998;1455526876;punkman;https://twitter.com/GLOCKInc/status/698962783979712512 1405999;1455528221;punkman;http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ 1406000;1455528222;assbot;The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/244KZy2 ) 1406001;1455528290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 385700 @ 0.0005651 = 217.9591 BTC [+] {3} 1406002;1455528839;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00319579 = 2.3968 BTC [-] {9} 1406003;1455529998;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.0028335 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {4} 1406004;1455530181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20978 @ 0.00056398 = 11.8312 BTC [-] 1406005;1455530242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73072 @ 0.00055455 = 40.5221 BTC [-] 1406006;1455530547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30828 @ 0.00056135 = 17.3053 BTC [+] 1406007;1455531122;thestringpuller;!v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c 1406008;1455531122;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows. 1406009;1455531706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055364 = 16.0832 BTC [-] 1406010;1455531733;davout;jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back. 1406011;1455532133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2} 1406012;1455533756;adlai;punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]? 1406013;1455533841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00055091 = 73.2435 BTC [-] {4} 1406014;1455534215;*;adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of) 1406015;1455535122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82468 @ 0.00055653 = 45.8959 BTC [+] {2} 1406016;1455535305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139100 @ 0.00056454 = 78.5275 BTC [+] {2} 1406017;1455535476;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d 1406018;1455535476;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully) 1406019;1455535794;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious 1406020;1455535794;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not 1406021;1455536070;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html 1406022;1455536070;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way. 1406023;1455536071;assbot;The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( http://bit.ly/20VztFX ) 1406024;1455536489;jurov;davout ty! 1406025;1455538965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056279 = 27.239 BTC [-] 1406026;1455539575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77350 @ 0.00056188 = 43.4614 BTC [-] 1406027;1455540635;BingoBoingo; (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting 1406028;1455542157;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111 1406029;1455542157;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ 1406030;1455542158;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As ) 1406031;1455542188;asciilifeform;(can anybody identify the kbd ?) 1406032;1455542202;asciilifeform;platinum toilets ftw! 1406033;1455542231;mircea_popescu;it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google. 1406034;1455542235;mircea_popescu;they're all herbalifes. 1406035;1455542237;asciilifeform;(they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually) 1406036;1455542261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ? 1406037;1455542274;asciilifeform;last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five' 1406038;1455542278;mircea_popescu;doh ? 1406039;1455542289;mircea_popescu;"get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ? 1406040;1455542306;asciilifeform;then mercedes is also pyramid ? 1406041;1455542308;mircea_popescu;if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ? 1406042;1455542329;mircea_popescu;notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one 1406043;1455542335;mircea_popescu;not by pete telling them to buy one. 1406044;1455542486;mircea_popescu;heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil. 1406045;1455542489;asciilifeform;by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market' 1406046;1455542515;asciilifeform;but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump. 1406047;1455542529;mircea_popescu;i think that definition was never stated as such. 1406048;1455542536;mircea_popescu;does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does. 1406049;1455542544;asciilifeform;if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ? 1406050;1455542550;mircea_popescu;and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is. 1406051;1455542557;mircea_popescu;i would sya it is. 1406052;1455542578;asciilifeform;where are the hierarchical levels then ? 1406053;1455542584;mircea_popescu;... 1406054;1455542592;mircea_popescu;they worship steve, don't they ? why ? 1406055;1455542600;mircea_popescu;becauyse of the frustrated mlm need. 1406056;1455542604;asciilifeform;(i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file) 1406057;1455542618;mircea_popescu;just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist. 1406058;1455542625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-] 1406059;1455542634;mircea_popescu;you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ? 1406060;1455542636;asciilifeform;can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ? 1406061;1455542647;mircea_popescu;steve ; everyone else is already levels. 1406062;1455542680;asciilifeform;the crapple salesmen are wage labourers 1406063;1455542692;asciilifeform;afaik they get no commission. 1406064;1455542693;mircea_popescu;not fully. 1406065;1455542707;mircea_popescu;they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml. 1406066;1455542710;mircea_popescu;mlm* 1406067;1455542792;asciilifeform;any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ? 1406068;1455542795;asciilifeform;by how much ? 1406069;1455542816;mircea_popescu;they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE. 1406070;1455542846;mircea_popescu;and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty 1406071;1455542857;mircea_popescu;and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts 1406072;1455542866;asciilifeform;folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? 1406073;1455542868;mircea_popescu;where 200 < this < 1500 or so 1406074;1455542871;mircea_popescu;yep. 1406075;1455542884;mircea_popescu;fuck more hotties, wouldja! 1406076;1455542896;asciilifeform;l0l 1406077;1455542914;asciilifeform;wake me up when they start making ones with faces. 1406078;1455542925;*;asciilifeform bbl 1406079;1455542935;mircea_popescu;typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission. 1406080;1455542954;mircea_popescu;and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns 1406081;1455542978;mircea_popescu;and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey. 1406082;1455544048;BingoBoingo; folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall. 1406083;1455544079;BingoBoingo;Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc 1406084;1455544106;mircea_popescu;the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth. 1406085;1455544267;BingoBoingo;http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor 1406086;1455544306;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be 1406087;1455544346;mircea_popescu;no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either. 1406088;1455544415;BingoBoingo;But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down. 1406089;1455544459;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1406090;1455544588;BingoBoingo;In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC 1406091;1455544594;assbot;100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 ) 1406092;1455544645;BingoBoingo;A lot of insulins on that list 1406093;1455544944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135750 @ 0.00056314 = 76.4463 BTC [+] {3} 1406094;1455545880;shinohai;!up minetester 1406095;1455545897;minetester;<.< 1406096;1455545903;minetester;>.> 1406097;1455545906;shinohai;Buenas uey 1406098;1455545916;minetester;que hay!? 1406099;1455545920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101030 @ 0.0005629 = 56.8698 BTC [-] 1406100;1455546123;BingoBoingo;!up wpalczynski 1406101;1455547323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5704 @ 0.00055879 = 3.1873 BTC [-] 1406102;1455548299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00055864 = 12.4018 BTC [-] 1406103;1455549399;deedbot-;[Qntra] Optical Disc Software Approaching International Crisis - http://qntra.net/2016/02/optical-disc-software-approaching-international-crisis/ 1406104;1455549892;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91CN5XC_V8 1406105;1455549893;assbot;New Zealand Politician Steven Joyce - #Dildogate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tlms3J ) 1406106;1455550434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87950 @ 0.00055864 = 49.1324 BTC [-] 1406107;1455550717;shinohai;!unrate liquidassets 1406108;1455550717;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a7039cbef0b2cbc 1406109;1455550725;BingoBoingo;In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet 1406110;1455550755;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94 1406111;1455550755;assbot;Successfully unrated liquidassets 1406112;1455551039;BingoBoingo;!up Conflict 1406113;1455551043;BingoBoingo;!up linton_s_dawson 1406114;1455551182;BingoBoingo;Insanity https://i.imgur.com/NXUvpBt.jpg 1406115;1455551183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/214Gzol ) 1406116;1455551242;shinohai;tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything. 1406117;1455551279;shinohai;*tumblrinas 1406118;1455551341;trinque;hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do 1406119;1455551444;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/uaBA1yS.png 1406120;1455551444;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/214H1D4 ) 1406121;1455551472;shinohai;I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese. 1406122;1455551533;BingoBoingo;Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese. 1406123;1455551577;BingoBoingo;But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake 1406124;1455551593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055864 = 5.1395 BTC [-] 1406125;1455552262;trinque;shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" 1406126;1455552321;trinque;at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions 1406127;1455552412;shinohai;Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa 1406128;1455552877;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1406129;1455554256;shinohai;;;ticker 1406130;1455554257;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.9, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 399.96, 24 hour volume: 28420.58864334, 24 hour low: 396.12, 24 hour high: 412.5, 24 hour vwap: None 1406131;1455554266;shinohai;$400 again >.> 1406132;1455554348;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1406133;1455554354;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 9025.06442353 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 401.87, vol: 7623.0688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 399.6, vol: 28498.84921068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 7.28927057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.446405, vol: 46236.18970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.77401, vol: 755.81372971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.47655, vol: 73.30162171 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1406134;1455554356;BingoBoingo;;;more 1406135;1455554356;gribble;409.260001115 1406136;1455556595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114016 @ 0.00056007 = 63.8569 BTC [+] {2} 1406137;1455556656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113884 @ 0.00056396 = 64.226 BTC [+] {3} 1406138;1455557736;shinohai;wb pete_dushenski 1406139;1455557746;pete_dushenski;heya shinohai 1406140;1455557755;pete_dushenski;how comes the website ? 1406141;1455558066;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406019 << lol. good one 1406142;1455558066;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 11:29:54; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious 1406143;1455558135;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406031 << looks like 'bloomberg terminal' model, neh ? 1406144;1455558135;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?) 1406145;1455558249;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bloomberg_terminal.jpg << looks like it. 1406146;1455558250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjfD1B ) 1406147;1455558261;pete_dushenski;that's the one 1406148;1455558284;asciilifeform;l0l winblowz key 1406149;1455558302;pete_dushenski;you don't understand how finance worx 1406150;1455558323;asciilifeform;clearly not 1406151;1455558338;asciilifeform;and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron 1406152;1455558372;pete_dushenski;though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks. 1406153;1455558386;asciilifeform;did i say most 1406154;1455558387;asciilifeform;l0l 1406155;1455558394;pete_dushenski;'significant' ? 1406156;1455558432;pete_dushenski;but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch 1406157;1455558462;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money 1406158;1455558475;asciilifeform;(it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc) 1406159;1455558516;pete_dushenski;neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc. 1406160;1455558529;asciilifeform;i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu 1406161;1455558559;asciilifeform;nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc. 1406162;1455558567;asciilifeform;closest analogy i can think of. 1406163;1455558572;pete_dushenski;i can see it 1406164;1455558679;mats;asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no? 1406165;1455558697;asciilifeform;and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money 1406166;1455558702;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu 1406167;1455558702;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one 1406168;1455558703;pete_dushenski;yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting" 1406169;1455558703;asciilifeform;mats: this is not appearent from the logz? 1406170;1455558735;pete_dushenski;mats look for the 5btc bet 1406171;1455558735;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: explain for us mortals ? 1406172;1455558763;pete_dushenski;which part ? 1406173;1455558766;mats;i'm not caught up on logs 1406174;1455558766;asciilifeform;any of it 1406175;1455558790;mats;i see it now. 1406176;1455559061;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ? 1406177;1455559111;asciilifeform;specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop' 1406178;1455559149;asciilifeform;i see same phenomenon in the auto market 1406179;1455559166;asciilifeform;e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ? 1406180;1455559214;asciilifeform;or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp. 1406181;1455559217;asciilifeform;!s tadpole 1406182;1455559218;assbot;14 results for 'tadpole' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tadpole 1406183;1455559291;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd 1406184;1455559291;pete_dushenski;ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u 1406185;1455559291;pete_dushenski;p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners. 1406186;1455559399;asciilifeform;that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? 1406187;1455559414;pete_dushenski;as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively. 1406188;1455559423;asciilifeform;^ 1406189;1455559429;asciilifeform;and i find this interesting 1406190;1455559452;pete_dushenski;why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ? 1406191;1455559461;asciilifeform;it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. 1406192;1455559478;pete_dushenski;entirely this. 1406193;1455559539;asciilifeform;for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom. 1406194;1455559541;pete_dushenski;and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital. 1406195;1455559546;mats;hm, alphago prop hit 'geekwire': http://www.geekwire.com/2016/alphago-lee-sedol-whos-underdog-in-google-ai-million-go-match 1406196;1455559548;assbot;Odds favor machine over human in big Go showdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnSbU ) 1406197;1455559559;pete_dushenski;*an old merc 1406198;1455559565;mats;alphago bitbet prop, that is. 1406199;1455559628;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc 1406200;1455559664;pete_dushenski;unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary 1406201;1455559683;asciilifeform;nobody (but pet) sees my fridge. 1406202;1455559724;pete_dushenski;because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does. 1406203;1455559732;asciilifeform;and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this. 1406204;1455559767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00056506 = 43.6509 BTC [+] {2} 1406205;1455559774;asciilifeform;i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in. 1406206;1455559777;asciilifeform;and i like this. 1406207;1455559782;pete_dushenski;that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same. 1406208;1455559787;asciilifeform;aha! 1406209;1455559801;pete_dushenski;goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects 1406210;1455559803;adlai;mats: more "money left on the table"! 1406211;1455559804;asciilifeform;i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' 1406212;1455559808;asciilifeform;mega-disappointment 1406213;1455559816;asciilifeform;i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing 1406214;1455559823;mats;adlai: meaning? 1406215;1455559828;asciilifeform;but it looks no substantially different from 'honda' 1406216;1455559829;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: heh 1406217;1455559842;adlai;mats: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/#footnote_3_64105 1406218;1455559844;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm ) 1406219;1455559887;mats;adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link 1406220;1455559962;mats;i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show 1406221;1455559969;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm. 1406222;1455560020;asciilifeform;and inside, same junk parts 1406223;1455560047;asciilifeform;and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this) 1406224;1455560068;asciilifeform;but hey at least you can play idiot meat gamez 1406225;1455560075;asciilifeform;impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card. 1406226;1455560115;asciilifeform;(did this ever actually work...?) 1406227;1455560219;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b21 1406228;1455560233;asciilifeform;mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ? 1406229;1455560488;mats;asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels 1406230;1455560575;asciilifeform;mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. 1406231;1455560615;asciilifeform;yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. 1406232;1455560625;asciilifeform;but afaik it is not. 1406233;1455560743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00055864 = 15.4743 BTC [-] {2} 1406234;1455560842;mats;plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure 1406235;1455560905;mats;fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength 1406236;1455560911;mats;what is this 50-50 odds bs 1406237;1455560926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00056538 = 35.7886 BTC [+] {2} 1406238;1455560990;adlai;mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure" 1406239;1455561014;mats;ph33r the machine 1406240;1455561057;asciilifeform;mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111' 1406241;1455561067;*;adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'? 1406242;1455561096;mats;i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match 1406243;1455561152;adlai;explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness" 1406244;1455561191;*;adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms 1406245;1455561330;asciilifeform;thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing: 1406246;1455561332;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298 1406247;1455561332;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc) 1406248;1455561386;asciilifeform;nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. 1406249;1455561406;jurov;soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say 1406250;1455561413;asciilifeform;and just as easily 'forgets' as 'learns' 1406251;1455561445;jurov;but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it 1406252;1455561464;jurov;and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! 1406253;1455561494;asciilifeform;l0lwut?! 1406254;1455561532;jurov;startssl it is again, i guess 1406255;1455561549;asciilifeform;jurov: what do you use ssl for ? 1406256;1455561586;jurov;i have several webservers, internal and external 1406257;1455561607;jurov;not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them 1406258;1455561635;asciilifeform;yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for. 1406259;1455561669;asciilifeform;coinbr does not use popescutronic authenticator ? 1406260;1455561687;jurov;mnope 1406261;1455561703;jurov;but i don't use free certs for that. 1406262;1455561714;jurov;also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for 1406263;1455561949;jurov;these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called 1406264;1455562035;adlai;interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs 1406265;1455562513;asciilifeform;is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??! 1406266;1455562634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00055864 = 27.8482 BTC [-] 1406267;1455562676;*;adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid 1406268;1455562677;assbot;Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 ) 1406269;1455562811;adlai;human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation 1406270;1455562842;asciilifeform;emulation. programmer kicks the machine. 1406271;1455562876;adlai;if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself 1406272;1455562903;adlai;and fleece money by fooling its creators 1406273;1455562904;asciilifeform;adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ 1406274;1455562916;BingoBoingo; i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age. 1406275;1455563040;kakobrekla;thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. 1406276;1455563047;asciilifeform;prolly. 1406277;1455563113;BingoBoingo; yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE. 1406278;1455563133;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc 1406279;1455563133;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? 1406280;1455563151;polarbeard;*were 1406281;1455563157;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess 1406282;1455563177;BingoBoingo;No, fritz and drug testing were. 1406283;1455563182;asciilifeform;rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game. 1406284;1455563197;asciilifeform;(for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine) 1406285;1455563224;BingoBoingo;AH, that 1406286;1455563234;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing 1406287;1455563234;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs 1406288;1455563236;kakobrekla;anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks 1406289;1455563249;asciilifeform;how's that 1406290;1455563272;asciilifeform;(what counts as 'rogue' on bitbet?!) 1406291;1455563282;danielpbarron;i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D 1406292;1455563307;*;adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it 1406293;1455563309;kakobrekla;bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc 1406294;1455563320;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: this only started recently ?! 1406295;1455563329;asciilifeform;i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1 1406296;1455563345;kakobrekla;no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise 1406297;1455563374;asciilifeform;welcome to being mp-cool 1406298;1455563399;asciilifeform;(next step: mp-complete !!111) 1406299;1455563408;kakobrekla;heh 1406300;1455563563;adlai;!b 3 1406301;1455563565;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YAF2J2.txt ) 1406302;1455565074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00056659 = 69.9455 BTC [+] {5} 1406303;1455566282;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. 1406304;1455566282;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. 1406305;1455566307;mircea_popescu;and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like. 1406306;1455566356;asciilifeform;and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering. 1406307;1455566374;asciilifeform;(he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all) 1406308;1455566394;mircea_popescu;aha. 1406309;1455566400;asciilifeform;(answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.) 1406310;1455566418;mircea_popescu;due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount. 1406311;1455566425;asciilifeform;aha 1406312;1455566488;asciilifeform;also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias 1406313;1455566524;asciilifeform;(solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side) 1406314;1455566723;asciilifeform;for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection. 1406315;1455566760;mircea_popescu;i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing 1406316;1455566774;asciilifeform;essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial. 1406317;1455566782;asciilifeform;as in, pass light but not 'radio' 1406318;1455566816;mircea_popescu;moreover, given the technology of making cds 1406319;1455566824;mircea_popescu;one should probably just make a cd based filter 1406320;1455566905;asciilifeform;as in pressed hologram ? 1406321;1455566937;asciilifeform;would work, but a bit thin 1406322;1455567084;asciilifeform;would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass 1406323;1455567085;assbot;EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod ) 1406324;1455567122;asciilifeform;or hm, is this still the mesh foil. 1406325;1455567139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there., 1406326;1455567205;asciilifeform;waiwut 1406327;1455567210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-] 1406328;1455567241;asciilifeform;https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass 1406329;1455567242;assbot;ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl ) 1406330;1455567247;asciilifeform;... key ? 1406331;1455567265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency" 1406332;1455567279;mircea_popescu;check it out jurov ! indium glass! 1406333;1455567294;*;mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole. 1406334;1455567298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer 1406335;1455567318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now 1406336;1455567324;asciilifeform;it is how your lcd conducts... 1406337;1455567329;mircea_popescu;nevermind! 1406338;1455567332;asciilifeform;l0l 1406339;1455567353;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1406340;1455567400;asciilifeform;quite. 1406341;1455567569;*;asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps 1406342;1455567583;asciilifeform;... or paint wall of hotel with 1406343;1455567586;asciilifeform;or the like. 1406344;1455567624;asciilifeform;laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back 1406345;1455567638;deedbot-;[Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/ 1406346;1455567639;asciilifeform;e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster 1406347;1455567707;mircea_popescu;"Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O 1406348;1455567720;BingoBoingo;Came out today, turned the thing into news 1406349;1455567733;asciilifeform;vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006 1406350;1455567733;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play 1406351;1455567733;assbot;Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia 1406352;1455567768;BingoBoingo;Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub 1406353;1455567812;mircea_popescu;guy was pretty old... 1406354;1455567816;mircea_popescu;what was he, 70something ? 1406355;1455567819;BingoBoingo;Only 75 1406356;1455567830;BingoBoingo;Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt 1406357;1455567852;BingoBoingo;30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones 1406358;1455568001;BingoBoingo;But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit. 1406359;1455568004;mircea_popescu;curious who obama appoints now. 1406360;1455568020;BingoBoingo;No one's talking Preet yet 1406361;1455568037;mircea_popescu;i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap. 1406362;1455568198;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1406363;1455568268;BingoBoingo;Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment 1406364;1455568302;mircea_popescu;old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto. 1406365;1455568307;mircea_popescu;seems unavoidable for the us. 1406366;1455568311;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1406367;1455568411;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating 1406368;1455568458;asciilifeform;perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election! 1406369;1455568468;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General 1406370;1455568549;mircea_popescu;bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did. 1406371;1455568563;mircea_popescu;the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days 1406372;1455568566;BingoBoingo;But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians 1406373;1455568573;mircea_popescu;and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been 1406374;1455568694;jurov;omg shielding lcd with metamaterial... 1406375;1455568747;jurov;what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals... 1406376;1455568857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056721 = 45.0648 BTC [+] 1406377;1455569349;asciilifeform;at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler. 1406378;1455569350;jurov;aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt 1406379;1455569387;asciilifeform;jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~ 1406380;1455569392;asciilifeform;(afaik) 1406381;1455569406;asciilifeform;even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make 1406382;1455569414;asciilifeform;(no need for shield, for example) 1406383;1455569426;jurov;why cheaper? 1406384;1455569440;jurov;judging from optical usb extenders, it's not 1406385;1455569442;asciilifeform;no copper 1406386;1455569454;asciilifeform;jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit 1406387;1455569458;asciilifeform;and made in quite low volume 1406388;1455569490;asciilifeform;i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber. 1406389;1455569537;mircea_popescu;because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage. 1406390;1455569565;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg 1406391;1455569566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R ) 1406392;1455569579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: terminators !? 1406393;1455569583;asciilifeform;nein 1406394;1455569592;asciilifeform;you must be confusing it with copper coax 1406395;1455569611;asciilifeform;and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ? 1406396;1455569622;asciilifeform;'takes well to damage' is not a thing 1406397;1455569628;mircea_popescu;hm 1406398;1455569632;asciilifeform;and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf 1406399;1455569691;jurov;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile 1406400;1455569692;assbot;TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x ) 1406401;1455569709;asciilifeform;so high that three metres is too long ?! 1406402;1455569727;mircea_popescu;optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house. 1406403;1455569776;asciilifeform;soo? he bends, buys another. 1406404;1455569779;asciilifeform;learns not to bend. 1406405;1455569791;asciilifeform;just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe. 1406406;1455569833;BingoBoingo;In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely 1406407;1455569842;jurov;also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors 1406408;1455569878;jurov;defon not consumer stuff 1406409;1455569882;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well. 1406410;1455569887;mircea_popescu;learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you. 1406411;1455569920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food 1406412;1455569931;mircea_popescu;heh 1406413;1455569944;asciilifeform;(in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.) 1406414;1455569986;mircea_popescu;in no sense. 1406415;1455570018;jurov;i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently 1406416;1455570032;asciilifeform;so don't pinch! 1406417;1455570037;mircea_popescu;i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable. 1406418;1455570045;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it. 1406419;1455570047;mircea_popescu;not so with optics. 1406420;1455570050;asciilifeform;i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox 1406421;1455570064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit. 1406422;1455570072;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what. 1406423;1455570077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292150 @ 0.00056823 = 166.0084 BTC [+] {6} 1406424;1455570077;asciilifeform;where is the fiber gpu ? 1406425;1455570079;asciilifeform;fiber lcd ? 1406426;1455570082;jurov;solder a photodoiode 1406427;1455570083;mircea_popescu;terminators are like a coupla k's each 1406428;1455570089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell 1406429;1455570097;mircea_popescu;... 1406430;1455570099;asciilifeform;because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable. 1406431;1455570103;mircea_popescu;doh ? 1406432;1455570105;asciilifeform;aha 1406433;1455570109;asciilifeform;so wtf's the use 1406434;1455570122;mircea_popescu;dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox 1406435;1455570127;mircea_popescu;then tujrns out that's not what you wantg. 1406436;1455570130;asciilifeform;(also they all have ludicrous res limit) 1406437;1455570148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does 1406438;1455570165;jurov;and do you have tempest computer case already? 1406439;1455570169;asciilifeform;and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh 1406440;1455570189;asciilifeform;jurov: this is not hard 1406441;1455570201;asciilifeform;it is peripherals which are tricky 1406442;1455570204;asciilifeform;hence the thread. 1406443;1455570207;mircea_popescu;ima bow out of this convo. 1406444;1455570283;asciilifeform;a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy. 1406445;1455570287;asciilifeform;would jurov ? 1406446;1455570289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ? 1406447;1455570314;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1406448;1455570322;jurov;maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too 1406449;1455570338;jurov;best if both em and acoustically 1406450;1455570344;asciilifeform;jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix 1406451;1455570353;asciilifeform;the answer: 1406452;1455570358;asciilifeform;include rng. 1406453;1455570361;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1406454;1455570370;asciilifeform;presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern 1406455;1455570384;asciilifeform;which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres. 1406456;1455570414;asciilifeform;anyway iirc we had this thread some time before. 1406457;1455570432;jurov;yes. but how would toslink help there 1406458;1455570434;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point. 1406459;1455570434;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" 1406460;1455570441;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this "get to" nonsense. 1406461;1455570463;jurov;does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much? 1406462;1455570490;asciilifeform;btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most) 1406463;1455570490;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now. 1406464;1455570502;asciilifeform;even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler' 1406465;1455570518;asciilifeform;jurov yes 1406466;1455570538;mircea_popescu;better make sure it fits in ass 1406467;1455570545;mircea_popescu;cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly. 1406468;1455570561;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight' 1406469;1455570570;asciilifeform;(traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim) 1406470;1455570575;mircea_popescu;aha. 1406471;1455570595;mircea_popescu;the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity. 1406472;1455570599;asciilifeform;anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse... 1406473;1455570617;mircea_popescu;from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me. 1406474;1455570649;shinohai;!rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. 1406475;1455570649;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3f29dcec88eb868f 1406476;1455570690;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.asciilifeform.2:460c36c39f1a369f03a39eb3400dee91a59f2f81f160b5dd491686d9e6196798 1406477;1455570691;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. 1406478;1455570695;asciilifeform;l0l 1406479;1455570707;jurov;replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic 1406480;1455570758;mircea_popescu;jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh. 1406481;1455570771;asciilifeform;jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail 1406482;1455570778;BingoBoingo;Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum 1406483;1455570783;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room. 1406484;1455570793;asciilifeform;and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance) 1406485;1455570794;BingoBoingo;room inside a room 1406486;1455570816;jurov;so supply it with battery 1406487;1455570852;asciilifeform;jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap 1406488;1455570875;jurov;"looks" 1406489;1455570875;asciilifeform;certainly compared to 'faraday room' 1406490;1455570900;mircea_popescu;why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree. 1406491;1455570903;mircea_popescu;no mlm at all! 1406492;1455570906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively. 1406493;1455570913;asciilifeform;i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively. 1406494;1455570915;shinohai;!rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. 1406495;1455570915;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/084c5c6bbe9fbb74 1406496;1455570918;jurov;and optocouplers leak nothing? 1406497;1455570940;asciilifeform;jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap? 1406498;1455570951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved. 1406499;1455570954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing 1406500;1455570957;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:158d41f25082a2cd2a832c0c2945b4807b2b877076ea81a5f27390f4899e1c57 1406501;1455570957;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. 1406502;1455570968;mircea_popescu;much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers" 1406503;1455570990;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money' 1406504;1455571044;mircea_popescu;mno. 1406505;1455571063;asciilifeform;say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~ 1406506;1455571073;asciilifeform;because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin. 1406507;1455571137;mircea_popescu;would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ? 1406508;1455571137;asciilifeform;note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them. 1406509;1455571140;mircea_popescu;it is not a way to live. 1406510;1455571147;mircea_popescu;it already forces you to eat from the latrine. 1406511;1455571155;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live' 1406512;1455571185;mircea_popescu;you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible. 1406513;1455571207;asciilifeform;was possible in 1995 1406514;1455571212;asciilifeform;ergo still is. 1406515;1455571227;mircea_popescu;you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there. 1406516;1455571245;mircea_popescu;the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine. 1406517;1455571249;mircea_popescu;but then you don't want to be a mouse. 1406518;1455571351;jurov;!up dooglus 1406519;1455571364;jurov;btw, your brain leaks, too 1406520;1455571377;asciilifeform;jurov: go and pick it up. 1406521;1455571402;asciilifeform;(pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max) 1406522;1455571569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu . 1406523;1455571590;mircea_popescu;this is not properly called "designing". 1406524;1455571600;mircea_popescu;"we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense. 1406525;1455571618;jurov;if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap 1406526;1455571642;mircea_popescu;jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader". 1406527;1455571824;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429 1406528;1455571826;assbot;4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oktGZB ) 1406529;1455572090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7} 1406530;1455572225;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids. 1406531;1455572225;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? 1406532;1455572232;mircea_popescu;which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada. 1406533;1455572328;shinohai;BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ? 1406534;1455572377;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO! 1406535;1455572377;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. 1406536;1455572383;mircea_popescu;most people just scream into a void. 1406537;1455572437;adlai;this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home 1406538;1455572474;mircea_popescu;or ever makes any sense. 1406539;1455572502;mircea_popescu;ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble. 1406540;1455572536;adlai;eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself 1406541;1455572617;adlai;(change-class goban 'ouija) 1406542;1455572674;mircea_popescu;"making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol 1406543;1455572755;asciilifeform;l0l 1406544;1455572778;adlai;on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly 1406545;1455572811;asciilifeform;me ok i'll bite! 1406546;1455572817;asciilifeform;to ~whom~ does perelman prove ? 1406547;1455572835;adlai;if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them. 1406548;1455572848;adlai;even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense 1406549;1455572850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which is why he doesn't. 1406550;1455572853;mircea_popescu;he has no friends. 1406551;1455572871;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof" 1406552;1455572882;*;adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope" 1406553;1455572899;mircea_popescu;i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove" 1406554;1455572908;mircea_popescu;i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool. 1406555;1455572984;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c 1406556;1455572985;assbot;Miles Davis - So What - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1okwJ43 ) 1406557;1455573035;*;asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this 1406558;1455573037;mircea_popescu;ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous. 1406559;1455573062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this 1406560;1455573072;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. nicely done :) 1406561;1455573090;*;mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now. 1406562;1455573240;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild. 1406563;1455573243;thestringpuller;"They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care." 1406564;1455573284;mircea_popescu;nice epitaph for heroin addict. 1406565;1455573291;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty fxd 1406566;1455573292;mircea_popescu;"he was a user, he never cared, which is the point." 1406567;1455573310;asciilifeform;technical term is - 'luser' 1406568;1455573325;asciilifeform;pronounced 'ell-user' 1406569;1455573362;BingoBoingo;!up Gentilhomme 1406570;1455573441;BingoBoingo; nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course. 1406571;1455573480;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user." 1406572;1455573589;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts. 1406573;1455573676;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes. 1406574;1455573676;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?) 1406575;1455573723;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose. 1406576;1455573723;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. 1406577;1455573854;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic. 1406578;1455573854;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms 1406579;1455573880;asciilifeform;aha, dragonfly. 1406580;1455573930;asciilifeform;skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also. 1406581;1455573992;mircea_popescu;technically pigeon was nn 1406582;1455573999;adlai;mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter 1406583;1455574016;mircea_popescu;lol 1406584;1455574053;adlai;(stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish ) 1406585;1455574054;assbot;GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi1VjA ) 1406586;1455574054;asciilifeform;wat's stockfish? 1406587;1455574057;asciilifeform;hm 1406588;1455574110;adlai;dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin. 1406589;1455574210;asciilifeform;adlai: where do you find these folks. 1406590;1455574314;*;adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year" 1406591;1455574318;asciilifeform;and what's a bitcoin watering hole? 1406592;1455574326;adlai;http://www.bitembassy.org/ 1406593;1455574347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5} 1406594;1455574392;adlai;most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with 1406595;1455574394;assbot;Quote by Joseph Heller: “Actually there were many officers' clubs that Y...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1okAoii ) 1406596;1455574971;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ? 1406597;1455574971;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. 1406598;1455575076;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ? 1406599;1455575076;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! 1406600;1455575083;mircea_popescu;only root can read that anyway. 1406601;1455575165;deedbot-;[Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/ 1406602;1455575259;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true. 1406603;1455575259;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. 1406604;1455575339;mircea_popescu;lol mp-complete. 1406605;1455575344;mircea_popescu;nice work keeping it together kako :) 1406606;1455575366;asciilifeform;a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu ! 1406607;1455575372;mircea_popescu;and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1406608;1455575374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd ) 1406609;1455575386;asciilifeform;it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ... 1406610;1455575389;mircea_popescu;glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix 1406611;1455575425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ? 1406612;1455575470;asciilifeform;possibly. 1406613;1455575627;asciilifeform;i suppose i got it backwards 1406614;1455575632;asciilifeform;mp-hard - requires being mp. 1406615;1455575715;mircea_popescu;everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard! 1406616;1455575728;asciilifeform;l0l! 1406617;1455575837;mircea_popescu;!up kefkius 1406618;1455576053;asciilifeform;http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related... 1406619;1455576054;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib ) 1406620;1455576451;jurov;BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim 1406621;1455576466;jurov;now you have to send me one share :) 1406622;1455576713;BingoBoingo;ty jurov 1406623;1455576956;mircea_popescu;lol 1406624;1455577355;*;BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list 1406625;1455577384;jurov;!up dbclk 1406626;1455577525;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's on your list ? 1406627;1455577795;shinohai;The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo 1406628;1455577887;danielpbarron;yeah i lolled 1406629;1455578054;mircea_popescu;lol not bad 1406630;1455578661;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level 1406631;1455578661;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. 1406632;1455578734;asciilifeform;punkman: more holes than pixels. 1406633;1455578738;asciilifeform;think aperture grille on crt. 1406634;1455578739;mircea_popescu;many many holes 1406635;1455578741;asciilifeform;aha 1406636;1455578804;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired. 1406637;1455578853;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www 1406638;1455578861;asciilifeform;(not even pdfated!11) 1406639;1455578878;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble. 1406640;1455578878;asciilifeform;the films are also on www 1406641;1455578885;asciilifeform;(yes there was a film series) 1406642;1455578903;BingoBoingo;scribble, place postit notes, etc. 1406643;1455578912;asciilifeform;http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them 1406644;1455578913;assbot;Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqrC6W ) 1406645;1455578917;BingoBoingo;hard to do with www 1406646;1455578978;asciilifeform;interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd 1406647;1455578986;asciilifeform;hence the adult audience visible in the foreground 1406648;1455579083;BingoBoingo;Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized. 1406649;1455579441;punkman;more from "my code went to space"-experts http://www.verticalsysadmin.com/making_robust_software/ 1406650;1455579442;assbot;Mars Code: building robust software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqsfNK ) 1406651;1455579551;asciilifeform;nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe 1406652;1455579561;asciilifeform;otherwise snore. 1406653;1455579622;BingoBoingo;Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged 1406654;1455579649;asciilifeform;waiwut 1406655;1455579689;BingoBoingo;Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles. 1406656;1455579819;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason. 1406657;1455579828;asciilifeform;largest rockets ever built. 1406658;1455579842;asciilifeform;(depending on how measured) 1406659;1455579847;BingoBoingo;They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way. 1406660;1455579858;asciilifeform;esp. if helped. 1406661;1455579860;BingoBoingo;Even if that way is CIA mole 1406662;1455579931;asciilifeform;recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets. 1406663;1455579945;asciilifeform;as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis. 1406664;1455579952;ben_vulpes;STAND BACK 1406665;1455579954;asciilifeform;(or rather, prototypes thereof) 1406666;1455579956;ben_vulpes;I'M CARBONATING WINE 1406667;1455580098;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised. 1406668;1455580230;BingoBoingo;30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem. 1406669;1455580511;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs 1406670;1455580511;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe 1406671;1455580662;mircea_popescu;has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ? 1406672;1455580747;shinohai;https://redd.it/45xz0s <<< "user is king" keks 1406673;1455580749;assbot;Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtCw5 ) 1406674;1455580881;adlai;speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread 1406675;1455580882;assbot;3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search 1406676;1455580883;assbot;GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 ) 1406677;1455581688;mircea_popescu;in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole. 1406678;1455581737;ben_vulpes;well that was a miserable idea 1406679;1455581738;mircea_popescu;the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada. 1406680;1455581750;mircea_popescu;none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda. 1406681;1455581791;mircea_popescu;suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york. 1406682;1455581831;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject? 1406683;1455582292;ben_vulpes;best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes 1406684;1455582317;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics? 1406685;1455582435;pete_dushenski;sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics 1406686;1455582510;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes. 1406687;1455582800;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz. 1406688;1455582822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: antarctic ?! 1406689;1455582827;mircea_popescu;yeah 1406690;1455582828;asciilifeform;texas?! 1406691;1455582850;asciilifeform;explain? 1406692;1455582865;mircea_popescu;i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people. 1406693;1455582877;asciilifeform;ah i get it, nm 1406694;1455582888;mircea_popescu;the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage! 1406695;1455582913;asciilifeform;btw idea belongs to chelomey 1406696;1455582929;asciilifeform;(contemporary of korolev) 1406697;1455582947;mircea_popescu;aha. 1406698;1455582950;asciilifeform;boil the 'great lakes' 1406699;1455582982;asciilifeform;of course this was back when usa had factories there. 1406700;1455583130;asciilifeform;i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole. 1406701;1455583170;asciilifeform;like sane people. 1406702;1455583181;BingoBoingo;In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch 1406703;1455583228;asciilifeform;l0l 1406704;1455583276;BingoBoingo;The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain? 1406705;1455583296;*;BingoBoingo just recieved "computer maintenance department scam call 1406706;1455583314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005603 = 31.9371 BTC [-] {2} 1406707;1455583334;asciilifeform;anyway rockets are so 20th c 1406708;1455583345;asciilifeform;proper nuke - orbits. 1406709;1455583363;asciilifeform;and deorbits. 1406710;1455583368;BingoBoingo;Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea 1406711;1455583384;asciilifeform;a fedex crate, aha. 1406712;1455583450;BingoBoingo;Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance 1406713;1455583504;asciilifeform;good for ~20 yr 1406714;1455583542;BingoBoingo;And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date 1406715;1455583578;asciilifeform;also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx 1406716;1455583592;asciilifeform;nuke needs only receive. 1406717;1455583643;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is? 1406718;1455583646;BingoBoingo;recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure. 1406719;1455583660;BingoBoingo;Not really? 1406720;1455583672;asciilifeform;look it up 1406721;1455583778;BingoBoingo;Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later. 1406722;1455583924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00056194 = 9.6935 BTC [+] 1406723;1455587950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00055998 = 23.7992 BTC [-] {3} 1406724;1455588560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50333 @ 0.00055916 = 28.1442 BTC [-] 1406725;1455588682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00055861 = 21.0875 BTC [-] 1406726;1455589059;deedbot-;[Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/ 1406727;1455590085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00055796 = 9.1701 BTC [-] 1406728;1455590146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66706 @ 0.00055737 = 37.1799 BTC [-] {2} 1406729;1455590512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00056024 = 16.5271 BTC [+] {2} 1406730;1455590818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106285 @ 0.00055728 = 59.2305 BTC [-] {3} 1406731;1455591610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33385 @ 0.00055625 = 18.5704 BTC [-] {2} 1406732;1455591915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00055456 = 7.1261 BTC [-] {2} 1406733;1455592124;BingoBoingo;http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980 1406734;1455592126;assbot;The Beige of Beijing | Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u ) 1406735;1455592215;BingoBoingo;"And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps 1406736;1455592215;BingoBoingo; I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll 1406737;1455592218;BingoBoingo;build them again!"" 1406738;1455592320;BingoBoingo;"The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them 1406739;1455592412;mircea_popescu;the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep. 1406740;1455592427;mircea_popescu;the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted. 1406741;1455592481;BingoBoingo;Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems. 1406742;1455592503;BingoBoingo;Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege 1406743;1455592508;mircea_popescu;what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ? 1406744;1455592525;mircea_popescu;it actually decomposes faster than feces. 1406745;1455592562;BingoBoingo;Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast. 1406746;1455592580;mircea_popescu;you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ? 1406747;1455592597;BingoBoingo;The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field 1406748;1455592614;BingoBoingo;Heard horror stories. 1406749;1455592649;BingoBoingo;Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit 1406750;1455592654;mircea_popescu;i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also. 1406751;1455592654;mats;on the subject of Koreans 1406752;1455592671;BingoBoingo;WHo hasn't heard those? 1406753;1455592679;mats;I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean 1406754;1455592769;mircea_popescu;there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool. 1406755;1455592790;mircea_popescu;there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid. 1406756;1455592799;mats;and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang 1406757;1455592892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans! 1406758;1455592914;mircea_popescu;right, 1406759;1455592933;mats;this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers 1406760;1455592941;mircea_popescu;americans ARE a nation fo farmers. 1406761;1455592950;mircea_popescu;most of them, first generation in shoes, actually. 1406762;1455593056;mats;and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance 1406763;1455593131;asciilifeform;mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty 1406764;1455593176;mats;the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi 1406765;1455593183;mats;think about that for a second 1406766;1455593222;asciilifeform;forgot dogs 1406767;1455593236;*;BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck 1406768;1455593252;mats;my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that 1406769;1455593283;asciilifeform;not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare 1406770;1455593294;mats;also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too 1406771;1455593307;asciilifeform;mmm 1406772;1455593308;mats;welcome to hell 1406773;1455593358;asciilifeform;the swap detail is interesting 1406774;1455593396;mats;so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems 1406775;1455593432;mats;so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk 1406776;1455593493;asciilifeform;saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia 1406777;1455593506;asciilifeform;showcases both. 1406778;1455593673;mats;recall the name? I'll add to my list 1406779;1455593820;asciilifeform;'divine move' 1406780;1455593853;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894 1406781;1455593855;assbot;Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv ) 1406782;1455594521;mats;the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party 1406783;1455594573;mats;people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11 1406784;1455594776;mats;hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great 1406785;1455594843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00055508 = 14.6541 BTC [+] 1406786;1455594850;mats;meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations 1406787;1455594943;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111 1406788;1455594943;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party 1406789;1455594968;asciilifeform;won't be long to wait. 1406790;1455595107;mats;i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part 1406791;1455595162;mats;many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all 1406792;1455595209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055456 = 11.0357 BTC [-] 1406793;1455595342;mats;anyways, finite 1406794;1455595351;mats;gnite* 1406795;1455595807;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here. 1406796;1455595807;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too 1406797;1455595819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25415 @ 0.00055508 = 14.1074 BTC [+] {2} 1406798;1455596328;mircea_popescu;hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating. 1406799;1455596391;danielpbarron;not the swap part :/ 1406800;1455596401;danielpbarron;that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son 1406801;1455597256;BingoBoingo;!up Compute-c 1406802;1455597283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00055514 = 22.6497 BTC [+] {3} 1406803;1455597952;BingoBoingo;http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html 1406804;1455597953;assbot;1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb ) 1406805;1455598686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74105 @ 0.00056186 = 41.6366 BTC [+] {4} 1406806;1455599052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00056215 = 8.376 BTC [+] 1406807;1455599479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00055497 = 19.3962 BTC [-] {4} 1406808;1455603627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26233 @ 0.00056241 = 14.7537 BTC [+] {3} 1406809;1455606677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8790 @ 0.00056109 = 4.932 BTC [-] {2} 1406810;1455606946;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - ItBit US Out of Business before May 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1149/itbit-us-out-of-business-before-may-2016/#b13 1406811;1455606947;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bashar al-Assad still in office May 1st, 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1145/bashar-al-assad-still-in-office-may-1st-2016/#b9 1406812;1455607958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62620 @ 0.00056243 = 35.2194 BTC [+] 1406813;1455610154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107988 @ 0.00055515 = 59.9495 BTC [-] {4} 1406814;1455611130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40313 @ 0.0005635 = 22.7164 BTC [+] {3} 1406815;1455612594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23722 @ 0.00056437 = 13.388 BTC [+] {2} 1406816;1455615943;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.01000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b25 1406817;1455616193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25178 @ 0.00056482 = 14.221 BTC [+] 1406818;1455617515;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b26 1406819;1455620790;punkman;http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/ 1406820;1455620791;assbot;The NSA’s SKYNET program may be killing thousands of innocent people | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQjPYf ) 1406821;1455621025;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNVqe_Fa72w 1406822;1455621026;assbot;GG Allin - Livin' Like An Animal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQk45D ) 1406823;1455621134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00056252 = 32.4012 BTC [-] {3} 1406824;1455622960;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo will prolly appreciate http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#comment-116552 1406825;1455622961;assbot;The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBVWiV ) 1406826;1455622997;mircea_popescu;but i am also very curious to hear out disagreement, especially from the esteemed peers living with young children. 1406827;1455623085;mircea_popescu;"Last year, The Intercept published documents detailing the NSA's SKYNET programme. According to the documents, SKYNET engages in mass surveillance of Pakistan's mobile phone network, and then uses a machine learning algorithm on the cellular network metadata of 55 million people to try and rate each person's likelihood of being a terrorist." << hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! 1406828;1455625892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00056665 = 12.6646 BTC [+] 1406829;1455626776;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/using-ipv6-with-linux-youve-likely-been-visited-by-shodan-and-other-scanners << ntp and ipv6 lulz 1406830;1455626777;assbot;Using IPv6 with Linux? You’ve likely been visited by Shodan and other scanners | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ72p5 ) 1406831;1455627790;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.co.uk/staff/2016/02/open-instruments-and-tools-nice-idea-tough-to-implement << from same rag, mega-jwz piece 1406832;1455627791;assbot;Science with open hardware: A new way to restrict participation | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ9KL7 ) 1406833;1455629877;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lol 1406834;1455632236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00056257 = 45.315 BTC [-] {3} 1406835;1455634459;shinohai;https://redd.it/461ts8 <<< Let's not include a fee because it's only $25 1406836;1455634461;assbot;I selected "no fee if possible", it's been 5 hours. Am I boned? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnpBxA ) 1406837;1455635344;mod6;morning, just a heads up here. ben has been testing V for me, and we're going through it. might need another patch tonight. 1406838;1455635359;mod6;will let you all know. thanks 1406839;1455635595;BingoBoingo;ty mod6 1406840;1455636018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00056665 = 31.2224 BTC [+] 1406841;1455636072;deedbot-;[Trilema] Eulora auction, February the 21st - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-21st/ 1406842;1455636267;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! << never knew people played go in pakistan 1406843;1455636297;mircea_popescu;go-at. 1406844;1455636374;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c << I hope for warp drive by 22nd century. 1406845;1455636516;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.18135891 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b29 1406846;1455636619;BingoBoingo;Need more amazon https://imgur.com/a/jweYf 1406847;1455636620;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCAJn ) 1406848;1455636711;mircea_popescu;in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lul4ub4Rnp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1406849;1455636712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCFwP ) 1406850;1455636764;shinohai;What is that mircea_popescu, a human representation of the Ethereum pyramid scheme? 1406851;1455636781;mircea_popescu;these are pubic beards not neckbeards. 1406852;1455636789;shinohai;true! :D 1406853;1455636811;shinohai;Not that Buterin can grow any facial hair. 1406854;1455636845;BingoBoingo;Ah, Phillipinos! 1406855;1455636964;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I hear she needs moar hands, a job for you! https://49.media.tumblr.com/47055c3220254c6644bb5a8ed754c334/tumblr_o0z8mr3PRD1ugsfk7o2_500.gif 1406856;1455636965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrD7Lo ) 1406857;1455637055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.0005589 = 9.2219 BTC [-] {2} 1406858;1455637070;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Notice the darker skin on the dieselbag's legs suggest Beetus is already about to take them. 1406859;1455637123;shinohai;I'm just wondering since she is sitting on the floor if there was a crane handy to help lift her after this photo was made. 1406860;1455637220;BingoBoingo;Probably just kicked it into the rendering pot afterwards. 1406861;1455637236;BingoBoingo;Then estherification and voila, diesel. 1406862;1455637336;shinohai;xD 1406863;1455637423;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Don't go swimming https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/863251 1406864;1455637425;assbot;What was your favorite thing that the fats have ruined? | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDUMc ) 1406865;1455637465;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/C5vfpS4.png 1406866;1455637465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE2eE ) 1406867;1455637504;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/oy95l 1406868;1455637505;assbot;I'm sick of the shallow insecure people on this site : depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE46u ) 1406869;1455637526;shinohai;There is a public pool just a few streets down from me. So many fat people were there last summer I wondered how all the water wasn't displaced. 1406870;1455638203;punkman;https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html 1406871;1455638204;assbot;Google Online Security Blog: CVE-2015-7547: glibc getaddrinfo stack-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFhL1 ) 1406872;1455638221;asciilifeform;ahahahahahahaha 1406873;1455638259;asciilifeform;drep drep drepper 1406874;1455638269;mircea_popescu;awww 1406875;1455638291;mircea_popescu;now that trb no longer uses it, is ok to burn it ? 1406876;1455638296;asciilifeform;apparently 1406877;1455638311;asciilifeform;would've been glorious if they'd fired it first 1406878;1455638322;asciilifeform;empty the prb folks 1406879;1455638331;asciilifeform;but that'd be burning prb, which is a no-no. 1406880;1455638346;asciilifeform;(for anyone who forgot, prb still has hardcoded dns seed etc) 1406881;1455638358;mircea_popescu;#b-a, the driving force behind internet security phenomena. since 2016. 1406882;1455638373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo incidentally, this should be qntra'd asap. 1406883;1455638382;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ALready started 1406884;1455638388;asciilifeform;'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.' 1406885;1455638402;mircea_popescu;see if stackexchange burial team is at battlestations or not. 1406886;1455638437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform should be pretty lulzy to read the "never happened and if it did we did it first nayway" verbiage. 1406887;1455638442;asciilifeform;naturally. 1406888;1455638455;asciilifeform;at this point i would be greatly surprised to see anything else. 1406889;1455638484;punkman;"Remote code execution is possible, but not straightforward. It requires bypassing the security mitigations present on the system, such as ASLR. We will not release our exploit code, but a non-weaponized Proof of Concept has been made available" 1406890;1455638484;asciilifeform;'We would like to thank .... blahblah ... Florian Weimer ... 1406891;1455638485;asciilifeform;'' 1406892;1455638513;asciilifeform;... and the rest of the glibc team ' 1406893;1455638523;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1406894;1455638543;mircea_popescu;left a note in bitcoin-dev for maxilulz. 1406895;1455638568;asciilifeform;'The vectors to trigger this buffer overflow are very common and can include ssh, sudo, and curl.' 1406896;1455638585;asciilifeform;is anyone still unclear why i did not and still do not want curl in vtron ?!!!! 1406897;1455638595;mircea_popescu;totally, thank the people who put the hole in, it's because of their "hard work" that you have a hole to burn. 1406898;1455638596;mircea_popescu;asshats. 1406899;1455638610;punkman;" The code that causes the vulnerability was introduced in May 2008 as part of glibc 2.9." 1406900;1455638626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that never was the unclear part. didja have a replacement was the unclear part. 1406901;1455638643;asciilifeform;the replacement is manual loading of tarballs from wherever onto the build box. 1406902;1455638652;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1406903;1455638653;asciilifeform;a la pgp. 1406904;1455638664;asciilifeform;and the offloading of the built binary, via same. 1406905;1455638744;asciilifeform;from, as i gather, elementary economic calculations, the enemy focuses almost all effort on real-time/net-connected crapola 1406906;1455638760;mircea_popescu;aha 1406907;1455638765;PeterL;asciilifeform wasn't the thing you were describing, 'g', going to be for downloading stuff? 1406908;1455638774;asciilifeform;PeterL: not precisely 1406909;1455638786;asciilifeform;PeterL: it is supposed to be a generic cipherator for tcp tunnel 1406910;1455638802;asciilifeform;but not released yet, and at this rate no idea if even releasable at all, i lack a cipher 1406911;1455638859;asciilifeform;what i wanted was a generic, fits-in-head (a few 1000 lines of c, no deps) stateless, 'protocol-less' cipherator that one could put, e.g., ftp over 1406912;1455639007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00056335 = 18.8722 BTC [+] {3} 1406913;1455639063;asciilifeform;incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#988950 1406914;1455639063;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2015 04:24:33; asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000] 1406915;1455639095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also recall, i excised not only dns but glibc 1406916;1455639109;asciilifeform;(in case you are thinking of writing this up for qntra etc) 1406917;1455639132;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/ 1406918;1455639133;assbot;Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHczf ) 1406919;1455639162;BingoBoingo;Currently seeking Corrections! 1406920;1455639163;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see above 1406921;1455639173;asciilifeform;~we nuked glibc entirely~ 1406922;1455639181;deedbot-;[Qntra] Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/ 1406923;1455639182;asciilifeform;(rotor musl build) 1406924;1455639202;asciilifeform;^ what everybody here, i think, is using at this point 1406925;1455639208;BingoBoingo; ~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked the NEED for glibc 1406926;1455639216;asciilifeform;aha 1406927;1455639231;asciilifeform;it no longer need exist on our planet. 1406928;1455639238;asciilifeform;at least after emacs is fixed. 1406929;1455639239;BingoBoingo;But could be built against glibc so I think my wording is correct. 1406930;1455639253;asciilifeform;'could' even be built on winblowz. 1406931;1455639257;BingoBoingo;But any other corrections before SEO advances? 1406932;1455639283;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc. 1406933;1455639308;asciilifeform;and have been for many months. 1406934;1455639373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35081 @ 0.00056665 = 19.8786 BTC [+] 1406935;1455639373;BingoBoingo;Noted, more can be added in comments by the knowlegable 1406936;1455639456;asciilifeform;https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << holy fuck the sheer mass of fecal matter 1406937;1455639458;assbot;Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR ) 1406938;1455639531;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/qntra/status/699628967024701440 1406939;1455639554;mircea_popescu;nb 1406940;1455639595;mircea_popescu; The reference bitcoind -> The reference Bitcoin 1406941;1455639602;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11110858 1406942;1455639603;assbot;GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients except for one | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrI6f1 ) 1406943;1455639630;mircea_popescu;nb. 1406944;1455639718;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/ 1406945;1455639719;assbot;GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X ) 1406946;1455639721;asciilifeform;Your submission has been temporarily removed pending a moderator review. While no exact time frame can be given, most submissions are reviewed within 24 hours. 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Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. 1406949;1455639732;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha 1406950;1455639734;asciilifeform;guess wat. 1406951;1455639783;asciilifeform;^ this is a new one for reddit, traditionally they 'shadowban' 1406952;1455639792;mircea_popescu;isn't that standard ? 1406953;1455639799;asciilifeform;nope 1406954;1455639803;mircea_popescu;lol 1406955;1455639822;felipelalli;!s openbsd 1406956;1455639823;assbot;761 results for 'openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd 1406957;1455639826;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fxd 1406958;1455639833;mircea_popescu;exciting times. 1406959;1455639903;asciilifeform;would be exciting, if i did not already know how this will go 1406960;1455639912;asciilifeform;e.g., expect massive qntra ddos some time in the next few hrs 1406961;1455639914;asciilifeform;etc. 1406962;1455639927;mircea_popescu;"it is forbidden to suggest solutions to the septic problem that involve any manner of removing shit from the stack" 1406963;1455639934;BingoBoingo;lol 1406964;1455639942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not too worried bout that. 1406965;1455639968;asciilifeform;the 'it never happened, and if it did, we had it first' thing has never failed to date. 1406966;1455639987;mircea_popescu;aha. ever-more testing the bounds of insanity, too. it's fun to watch. 1406967;1455640086;asciilifeform;florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively. 1406968;1455640101;mircea_popescu;aha. 1406969;1455640109;mircea_popescu;there is nothing wrong with this. 1406970;1455640156;felipelalli;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384165 << asciilifeform why (about OpenBSD "needs to be helped die") do you think so? 1406971;1455640156;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die 1406972;1455640173;asciilifeform;felipelalli: try reading the thread ? 1406973;1455640187;trinque;I read it, did not find it conclusive. 1406974;1455640193;felipelalli;trinque, the same 1406975;1455640198;mircea_popescu;but ask better question than "why do you think so" 1406976;1455640199;asciilifeform;!s openbsd dbus 1406977;1455640199;assbot;5 results for 'openbsd dbus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd+dbus 1406978;1455640216;trinque;so you don't like ports 1406979;1455640216;mircea_popescu;in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath. 1406980;1455640220;trinque;this is distinct from talking about openbsd 1406981;1455640224;asciilifeform;trinque: SO THE MOTHERFUCKING OS IS UNUSABLE 1406982;1455640227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00055953 = 16.4502 BTC [-] 1406983;1455640229;trinque;this is absurd 1406984;1455640233;asciilifeform;there is no openbsd sans the ports. 1406985;1455640242;trinque;horse shit; I've built all manner of things myself 1406986;1455640247;asciilifeform;as have i. 1406987;1455640257;asciilifeform;a torn out kernel is not 'openbsd', it is bsd. 1406988;1455640267;asciilifeform;the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo 1406989;1455640274;asciilifeform;and normally used as such. 1406990;1455640283;trinque;do you have a particular vintage of linux kernel you prefer? 1406991;1455640284;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: alf hates the OpenBSD ports turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and the occasional userland shitgnomery 1406992;1455640302;asciilifeform;trinque: vintage is not the right word 1406993;1455640310;trinque;because from where I sit the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use 1406994;1455640320;asciilifeform;i have a number of kernels painfully prepared for different boxes 1406995;1455640325;asciilifeform;that are quite entirely different 1406996;1455640337;mircea_popescu;bespokeos 1406997;1455640340;asciilifeform;and each took some days of manual sewing, to produce 1406998;1455640344;asciilifeform;and i imagine most folks here have - same. 1406999;1455640347;BingoBoingo; there is no openbsd sans the ports. << The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box 1407000;1455640366;felipelalli;At least they really care about security. I tried to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt). 1407001;1455640367;trinque;^ that much is true, and something I quite like 1407002;1455640377;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand, if i can't build and run emacs and its dependencies, the os is fit for 'bury in concrete' only - e.g., router 1407003;1455640389;asciilifeform;and quite likely not even this 1407004;1455640400;asciilifeform;because whatever prevents a sane emacs build, is likely to interfere with other work 1407005;1455640408;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But for many purposes that's all box needs to do. Emacs up the text somewhere else. 1407006;1455640418;asciilifeform;in the case of openbsd, it is that virtually all of the major ports pull in dbus. 1407007;1455640436;trinque;I can agree readily that's a sin 1407008;1455640436;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is flagrantly unfit for battleship 1407009;1455640457;BingoBoingo;Battle ship and frigate are different boats. 1407010;1455640458;asciilifeform;and in fact its mere inclusion of dbus spoils the entire nominal flavour of 'sane and security-oriented' 1407011;1455640463;trinque;it is whether linux is fit(ter) that I question. 1407012;1455640466;felipelalli;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406979 << lol mircea! 1407013;1455640466;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath. 1407014;1455640470;asciilifeform;it is a rat-sized cockroach in a fine restaurant. 1407015;1455640474;asciilifeform;right on my plate. 1407016;1455640495;BingoBoingo;But anyways the enemy here is m:tier specifically 1407017;1455640505;trinque;it causes me to seriously consider producing a ports tree of my own 1407018;1455640517;asciilifeform;trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus. 1407019;1455640524;asciilifeform;understand, this is NOT negotiable. 1407020;1455640542;trinque;I run without dbus as well, and understand fully why this is a Good Thing 1407021;1455640564;asciilifeform;i was unable even to build most logging demons from ports 1407022;1455640567;asciilifeform;because dbus. 1407023;1455640583;asciilifeform;now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie 1407024;1455640594;asciilifeform;the one who approved spitting in mircea_popescu's face after the donation. 1407025;1455640620;asciilifeform;and the one who presides over the 'hackathon' vermin while theo (who is afflicted with some peculiar stockholm syndrome) starves in a garret 1407026;1455640676;mircea_popescu;i would say that openbsd pre 2014 and openbsd post 2014 are entirely unrelated entities. 1407027;1455640686;asciilifeform;this is abundantly clear 1407028;1455640698;mircea_popescu;the tenuous thread of theo's own person is not enough to keep this shit together, because he's too jwz-ish to engage the more important half - politics. 1407029;1455640714;mircea_popescu;so in this sense... lizzards got petrified, moved in, stole it. 1407030;1455640720;mircea_popescu;at least that's my interpretation of events. 1407031;1455640744;BingoBoingo;ALso possible, Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages 1407032;1455640762;asciilifeform;the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo 1407033;1455640786;trinque;I can see all this, yet meanwhile linux has hypervisors and keychains and complex abstractions around "namespaces" and "containers" and ... 1407034;1455640787;BingoBoingo;They stole theo's inner circle. 1407035;1455640793;asciilifeform;and the answer likely involves him having been surrounded by quislings for ~years~ 1407036;1455640803;asciilifeform;trinque: they are removable 1407037;1455640804;BingoBoingo;Likely starting with the Bob Beck fellow 1407038;1455640805;asciilifeform;this is key. 1407039;1455640814;trinque;asciilifeform: yes, but did they not affect decisions elsewhere in the kernel? 1407040;1455640837;asciilifeform;trinque: certainly 1407041;1455640838;trinque;I have spent countless hours pruning a kernel config 1407042;1455640862;asciilifeform;but there is not ~yet~ a linux kernel equivalent of dbus cancer 1407043;1455640874;asciilifeform;though the systemd folks are working day and night, for this. 1407044;1455640890;trinque;asciilifeform: were the dbusified ports tree otherwise, would that change your assessment of obsd? 1407045;1455640894;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo << this is deeply uninteresting, as it's well documented. see for instance http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179 1407046;1455640895;assbot;The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr ) 1407047;1455640905;asciilifeform;trinque: i have nfi what ~else~ is systematically broken 1407048;1455640908;mircea_popescu;the current crop of bois have all the patriotism of a wet noodle. 1407049;1455640908;asciilifeform;only got as far as dbus. 1407050;1455640940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfortunately the highlight thing displays ~nowhere~ i've tried it on. 1407051;1455640947;asciilifeform;not even crapple! 1407052;1455640948;mircea_popescu;darn. 1407053;1455640956;mircea_popescu;"the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into the theory that satisfying the desires of women is more important than satisfying the needs of men." 1407054;1455640960;asciilifeform;what do i need, to excatate ie6 ?! 1407055;1455640964;asciilifeform;*excavate 1407056;1455640979;mircea_popescu;it similarly works on everything i try, so i dunno. tis sad tho. 1407057;1455640984;mircea_popescu;i really liked the indicating. 1407058;1455641009;asciilifeform;possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ? 1407059;1455641013;asciilifeform;re: what browser etc. 1407060;1455641076;asciilifeform;but i still don't get (am i thick?) the point about 'the patriotism' of 'the bois' 1407061;1455641084;mircea_popescu;so ask a q. 1407062;1455641104;asciilifeform;what in this case means patriotism ? who are the bois ? 1407063;1455641118;asciilifeform;where do i even begin 1407064;1455641123;mircea_popescu;the boi, in this case, is theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker. 1407065;1455641139;mircea_popescu;patriotism, in this case, is a willingness to die to defend your territory, as you define it - NOT as some woman defines it. 1407066;1455641151;asciilifeform;waitasec i thought he was from za ?!! 1407067;1455641154;asciilifeform;esL? 1407068;1455641167;mircea_popescu;a fine example in this vein would be the case of a late night trip, during which a drunk hobo on the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down. 1407069;1455641178;mircea_popescu;esl - english as a single language. 1407070;1455641198;asciilifeform;yeah but is he ? 1407071;1455641203;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1407072;1455641214;*;asciilifeform did not know this. 1407073;1455641221;mircea_popescu;people can have french loess without being ethnically french. it's a mental illness, not anything else. 1407074;1455641258;asciilifeform;loess? 1407075;1455641290;trinque;the state is the ultimate owner of all property, so they told the bois. how then could anyone possibly have territory? 1407076;1455641308;mircea_popescu;tough. 1407077;1455641449;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now think about it : would random usian engage hobo on the grounds that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on the simple grounds of ~having been passing by there~ ? 1407078;1455641460;mircea_popescu;this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree. 1407079;1455641508;asciilifeform;can hardly picture this. 1407080;1455641511;asciilifeform;maybe in 1900. 1407081;1455641520;mircea_popescu;"it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of them, right now" 1407082;1455641530;mircea_popescu;obviously this makes it difficult to office drone. 1407083;1455641566;asciilifeform;it is not only that 'office drone' has no knife and never swung a fist in his life and etc. as mircea_popescu probably imagines. though all of this is true. it is ALSO that the street is NOT HIS 1407084;1455641570;asciilifeform;it is... a hotel. 1407085;1455641577;mircea_popescu;quite. 1407086;1455641578;asciilifeform;'where is the man who will die for a hotel?' 1407087;1455641581;mircea_popescu;which has its advantages. 1407088;1455641584;mircea_popescu;and... its disadvantages 1407089;1455641605;asciilifeform;i've lived in usa since '92. it remains, to me, a hotel. 1407090;1455641614;asciilifeform;and not the swankiest possible hotel, either. 1407091;1455641619;mircea_popescu;(i am not, as it may appear on the strength of the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing that this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.) 1407092;1455641621;asciilifeform;just a 'roach motel.' 1407093;1455641639;mircea_popescu;well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who the fuck dies to defend... 8ball motels ? 1407094;1455641648;asciilifeform;only an idiot 1407095;1455641660;asciilifeform;or, perhaps, owner 1407096;1455641710;mircea_popescu;yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine the only workable basis. 1407097;1455641713;mircea_popescu;and so here we are. 1407098;1455641762;mircea_popescu;contrary to what the kids [like to {pretend like they're}] think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is the larger half. 1407099;1455641791;asciilifeform;who needs engine, when you have wheels! 1407100;1455641794;asciilifeform;l0l 1407101;1455641839;asciilifeform;but elementarily, 'coding ability' as a concept is a lie 1407102;1455641850;asciilifeform;the interesting variable here is the ability to ~select problems~ 1407103;1455641869;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1407104;1455641874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00056339 = 19.775 BTC [+] {2} 1407105;1455641880;asciilifeform;(rather than what is normally presented as 'coding ability' in idiot industry, this being - quickly and accurately solving the non-problems posed by non-people) 1407106;1455641889;mircea_popescu;so there you go. 1407107;1455641958;*;trinque understands better (he thinks) the "keep it" in "a republic, if you can keep it", and also the absurdity of to whom that was supposedly addressed 1407108;1455641976;mircea_popescu;aha. 1407109;1455641982;mircea_popescu;it was said, amusingly... to a woman. 1407110;1455642362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00056665 = 6.7431 BTC [+] 1407111;1455642545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00056767 = 5.2793 BTC [+] 1407112;1455642637;BingoBoingo;Reality distortion field "Bingo Boingo is 100% totally rational and completely unbiased. He is not at all a shill. Nope." https://archive.is/hNMQ7 1407113;1455642638;assbot;Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BF6DR ) 1407114;1455642674;mircea_popescu;so by this logic they don't believe in "bringing democracy" to various countries, because the people arguing for it are obvious usg shills ? 1407115;1455642683;BingoBoingo;seriously 1407116;1455642695;asciilifeform;imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough. 1407117;1455642705;asciilifeform;why should the folks who ran glibc still have coin? 1407118;1455642712;asciilifeform;*simply 1407119;1455642736;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407058 << it never worked for me, which I think i pointed out when it was first deployed. Ironically, I was the inspiration for the select script being included into trilema in the first place. It works for me if I am the one who did the selecting. 1407120;1455642736;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 16:43:29; asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ? 1407121;1455642746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so weaponize it and collect. 1407122;1455642768;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron weird. 1407123;1455642780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform danielpbarron does it work for you on archive.is ? 1407124;1455642805;danielpbarron;if if do the selecting, yes 1407125;1455642809;danielpbarron;if you, i don't know 1407126;1455642814;mircea_popescu;let's try. 1407127;1455642819;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/hNMQ7#selection-2171.7-2171.27 1407128;1455642820;assbot;Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BFC4I ) 1407129;1455642829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: needs seat at network chokepoints. 1407130;1455642848;asciilifeform;(to 'collect') 1407131;1455642853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this link - works 1407132;1455642853;danielpbarron;>> be biased, but this 1407133;1455642872;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1407134;1455642879;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this possibru even. 1407135;1455643019;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1407136;1455643026;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 407.0, vol: 7801.02754879 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.858, vol: 8464.90993 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 407.88, vol: 17914.15908173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 2.05746269 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 420.11415, vol: 40679.23460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.25999, vol: 713.02806616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.973656, vol: 75.03929666 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1407137;1455643027;BingoBoingo;;;more 1407138;1455643028;gribble;414.360801002 1407139;1455643350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-63.0-63.28 ? 1407140;1455643352;assbot;That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK0NBa ) 1407141;1455643396;trinque;mircea_popescu: that works over here in chrome 1407142;1455643399;trinque;did not earlier 1407143;1455643404;mircea_popescu;nice! 1407144;1455643558;asciilifeform;still nothing. 1407145;1455643568;asciilifeform;(also box with 'chrome') 1407146;1455644186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? 1407147;1455644187;assbot;House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz ) 1407148;1455644189;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ^ 1407149;1455644211;mircea_popescu;and trinque 1407150;1455644277;asciilifeform;works 1407151;1455644281;asciilifeform;but... why ? 1407152;1455644605;BingoBoingo;!up PaulCapestany 1407153;1455644609;BingoBoingo;!up yamamushi 1407154;1455644612;BingoBoingo;Hello PaulCapestany 1407155;1455644635;PaulCapestany;hi 1407156;1455644639;PaulCapestany;sorry, new to this chat, what's the !up about? 1407157;1455644656;PeterL;lets you talk 1407158;1455644675;yamamushi;How does one go about starting out on the WoT ? 1407159;1455644681;BingoBoingo;PaulCapestany: Yes, otherwise you can register a GPG key, introduce yourself, and mebbe voice yourself 1407160;1455644686;BingoBoingo;!help 1407161;1455644686;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1407162;1455644689;yamamushi;Thanks 1407163;1455644692;BingoBoingo;^ that way 1407164;1455644702;thestringpuller;the getting started page is a bit easier to follow tho 1407165;1455644717;thestringpuller;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1407166;1455644731;PeterL;!noob 1407167;1455644746;PaulCapestany;thestringpuller: thanks, checking that out 1407168;1455644747;PeterL;I guess that has not been implemented yet 1407169;1455644863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00056778 = 2.6118 BTC [+] 1407170;1455644894;BingoBoingo;Ah most of the discussion so far is where it is expected https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/463a0r/nearly_all_bitcoin_nodes_affected_by_glibc_dns/ 1407171;1455644895;assbot;Nearly All Bitcoin Nodes Affected By Glibc DNS Vulnerability : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK5ScJ ) 1407172;1455644961;mircea_popescu;i am proud to announce that a piddle of ddos being currently measured isn't even remotely sufficient. 1407173;1455644968;mircea_popescu;will need moar dakka. 1407174;1455645022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: give'em time, it's lunch hour at ft meade now 1407175;1455645039;mircea_popescu;oic. 1407176;1455645048;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407146 >> purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin << 1407177;1455645048;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 17:36:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? 1407178;1455645098;mircea_popescu;i see "n A Soundstage - Among The Papier Machee, volume 8, and the make-up and blocking... good lord. Mamet's wife has that short cropped "rape & attempted suicide survivor" look sterile women " ;/ 1407179;1455645100;mircea_popescu;damn. 1407180;1455645168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056767 = 14.7594 BTC [-] 1407181;1455645275;BingoBoingo;!up xccxzx 1407182;1455645290;BingoBoingo;http://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/02/16/1724222/red-hat-google-disclose-severe-glibc-dns-vulnerability-patched-but-widespread 1407183;1455645291;assbot;Red Hat, Google Disclose Severe Glibc DNS Vulnerability; Patched But Widespread - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK77Zr ) 1407184;1455645312;BingoBoingo;^ Qntra linked 1407185;1455645317;trinque;mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? << works here. 1407186;1455645318;assbot;House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz ) 1407187;1455645330;mircea_popescu;trinque underlines what text ? 1407188;1455645348;trinque;"purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin" 1407189;1455645412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189033 @ 0.00056781 = 107.3348 BTC [+] {2} 1407190;1455645447;mircea_popescu;hm. 1407191;1455645467;mircea_popescu;i see same on ff 1407192;1455645469;mircea_popescu;aite then! 1407193;1455645515;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles 1407194;1455645549;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Miracles. No. Just slowly building a history. This is how samizdat werkz nao. 1407195;1455645747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you never said, does trilema selection as updated work for you asciilifeform ? 1407196;1455645833;asciilifeform;in last link - worked 1407197;1455645865;asciilifeform;in, e.g., http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179 - still does not 1407198;1455645866;assbot;The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr ) 1407199;1455645939;mircea_popescu;possibly because cached page ? 1407200;1455645967;asciilifeform;reload did not fix. 1407201;1455646009;mircea_popescu;that's bizarre, they're all fed from the same place. 1407202;1455646051;asciilifeform;nfi! 1407203;1455646052;mircea_popescu;how about http://trilema.com/2016/the-top-3-best-self-introductions-in-bitcoin-assets-to-date/#selection-83.0-85.4 1407204;1455646053;assbot;The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9vzr ) 1407205;1455646068;asciilifeform;displays. 1407206;1455646069;asciilifeform;'ReutersEmily Huh' 1407207;1455646089;mircea_popescu;ha! 1407208;1455646092;mircea_popescu;i'm calling it good. 1407209;1455646124;asciilifeform;i suspect multiline doesn't work. 1407210;1455646130;asciilifeform;because we had this thread before 1407211;1455646138;asciilifeform;and 2-3 word examples mircea_popescu posts, work 1407212;1455646143;asciilifeform;but the real thing - not. 1407213;1455646160;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/#selection-35.47-43.123 ? 1407214;1455646162;assbot;The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9StM ) 1407215;1455646175;asciilifeform;works... 1407216;1455646177;asciilifeform;odd. 1407217;1455646200;trinque;browsers can at times be exceedingly impolite when told to refresh. 1407218;1455646228;mircea_popescu;^ 1407219;1455646511;BingoBoingo;!up PaulCapestany 1407220;1455646515;BingoBoingo;!up yamamushi 1407221;1455646773;thestringpuller;I would like to see a rating of webpage compatibility based on how usable it is in lynx or links 1407222;1455646816;asciilifeform;this is reasonably machine-calculable. 1407223;1455646863;asciilifeform;score based on absence of web20isms. 1407224;1455647029;punkman;"works without javascript" is the important part, which is hard to calculate with machine 1407225;1455647055;punkman;because I don't care whether it has 150 embedded webfonts . since I'm not loading them 1407226;1455647112;deedbot-;[Qntra] Markets Favoring Man Over Machine In Upcoming Go Match - http://qntra.net/2016/02/markets-favoring-man-over-machine-in-upcoming-go-match/ 1407227;1455647452;mircea_popescu;no js is a reasonable proxy. 1407228;1455647482;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1407229;1455647488;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.17, vol: 8171.76179679 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.31, vol: 9123.2063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 406.49, vol: 18764.66928457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.62006337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.983675, vol: 40585.68040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 405.915, vol: 788.53483152 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.58487, vol: 79.22826827 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1407230;1455647495;BingoBoingo;;;more 1407231;1455647495;gribble;413.615274557 1407232;1455647701;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/37d7f9a17c8ca34763f83b0ded799989/tumblr_nlrq6wqpmH1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1407233;1455647701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oezfx8 ) 1407234;1455647746;PaulCapestany;BingoBoingo hey, I registered my gpg key, apparently I need someone to rate me now? 1407235;1455647806;mircea_popescu;!rate PaulCapestany 1 new blood 1407236;1455647806;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/41ed47cd56f437d9 1407237;1455647834;BingoBoingo;congrats 1407238;1455647836;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.PaulCapestany.1:26e03f3f8070a43066e1e713b353905300404f25e96aae5814beef6d548bcd27 1407239;1455647836;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for PaulCapestany with note: new blood 1407240;1455647858;PeterL;PaulCapestany who are you? What brings you here? 1407241;1455647913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055971 = 18.9182 BTC [-] {3} 1407242;1455648243;PaulCapestany;mircea_popescu thanks for the rating 1407243;1455648269;PaulCapestany;PeterL I just kept hearing this IRC channel mentioned in various places, figured I'd check it out 1407244;1455648302;asciilifeform;PaulCapestany: which places ? 1407245;1455648330;phf;nsa.slack.com 1407246;1455648371;asciilifeform;l0l! 1407247;1455648401;PeterL;I just got this email at work: "In celebration of receiving a shipment of Baboon semen please enjoy a cream filled treat in the kitchen." 1407248;1455648514;BingoBoingo;!b 1 1407249;1455648516;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HZW5RK.txt ) 1407250;1455648704;mircea_popescu;lol PeterL 1407251;1455648712;mircea_popescu;nice to work with people with a sense of homour 1407252;1455648926;PeterL;"homour" - some sort of mesh of "homo" and "humour"? 1407253;1455648953;mircea_popescu;:) 1407254;1455648963;mircea_popescu;just a little strategic dyslexia 1407255;1455649224;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: *buried* on hn apparently 1407256;1455649250;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise. 1407257;1455649264;asciilifeform;i don't think i'll bother posting there again. 1407258;1455649308;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I think our friend Rober V has alf hellbanned or something. 1407259;1455649374;BingoBoingo;A wild Maxwell appears https://archive.is/7yuoi 1407260;1455649375;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk3OW ) 1407261;1455649409;punkman;http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Israels-rash-behavior-blew-operation-to-sabotage-Irans-computers-US-officials-say-444970 1407262;1455649410;assbot;Exclusive: Israel’s rash behavior blew operation to sabotage Iran’s computers, US officials say - Middle East - Jerusalem Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk9WT ) 1407263;1455649499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137450 @ 0.00056794 = 78.0634 BTC [+] {3} 1407264;1455649591;jurov;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35569281 inspiration for trb :D 1407265;1455649593;assbot;Why is the UK still printing its laws on vellum? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkM2E ) 1407266;1455649706;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.' 1407267;1455649710;asciilifeform;what, precisely ? 1407268;1455649727;asciilifeform;the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line 1407269;1455649731;asciilifeform;but what are they talking about ? 1407270;1455649735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ? 1407271;1455649762;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them. 1407272;1455649773;thestringpuller;But that seems not to be feasible in the wild. 1407273;1455649780;punkman;hard to figure this out since they didn't note them in changelogs 1407274;1455649797;punkman;or even commit messages 1407275;1455649822;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I guess Luke-jr generalized it as "doesn't enforce softforks thus insecure" 1407276;1455649856;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: link ? 1407277;1455649874;thestringpuller;one second 1407278;1455649938;punkman;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures 1407279;1455649939;assbot;Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BX1u5 ) 1407280;1455650175;asciilifeform;punkman: quite useless page 1407281;1455650197;asciilifeform;(none of the items mentioned therein match thestringpuller's description) 1407282;1455650206;asciilifeform;what am i missing ? 1407283;1455650217;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: he was never actually even in their wot as far as i can tell 1407284;1455650224;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree " all over again, is it ? 1407285;1455650329;punkman;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe 1407286;1455650331;assbot;CVE-2013-2293 - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BXZX7 ) 1407287;1455650347;shinohai;"The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK 1407288;1455650518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> mircea_popescu ? <<< you know, if you ask obama what exactly is his contribution past blind tom wiggins he'll also say "important security fixes". it is somehow inadherent to the common mentality of usians to flatly admit "nothing really - i'm just a nigger slave singing for massah, nothing changed in two centuries." 1407289;1455650544;mircea_popescu;so they gotta pretend there's this mystical reservoir of metaphysics that'll readily provide differentiation qs. 1407290;1455650545;asciilifeform;suspected as much. 1407291;1455650559;punkman;did the power rangers ever find a remote code execution vuln? 1407292;1455650586;asciilifeform;punkman: ~created~ plenty 1407293;1455650592;mircea_popescu;we found them, then "they found them first". 1407294;1455650610;asciilifeform;gotta understand how 'finding vulns' actually works. 1407295;1455650659;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller luke-jr also claimed bfl delivered his order. then it turned out it was a "prototype" and outright payola. 1407296;1455650671;asciilifeform;generally it is a process resembling apiculture. no one individually orders a bee to pollinate a particular plant. bees - are introduced, do their thing. likewise dreppers. 1407297;1455650678;mircea_popescu;he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ? 1407298;1455650842;mircea_popescu; "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK << needless to say, no one "sane" for that definition of sane has anything of any value or interest to offer, to anyone. 1407299;1455650866;ben_vulpes;lol who said that 1407300;1455650881;shinohai;For an extra 1 BTC we could erase MAxwell too! 1407301;1455650894;asciilifeform;incidentally, who remembers how kennedy put $1 on fidel castro's head ? 1407302;1455650922;mircea_popescu;amusingly, castro's dollar bought more kennedy than kennedy's dollar bought castro. 1407303;1455650982;asciilifeform;(legend has it that some former fucktoy of castro's got as far as his office, in hopes of claiming bounty, he handed her a pistol himself, 'do it', she did not) 1407304;1455651024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14065 @ 0.00055638 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {3} 1407305;1455651251;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407285 << 'Note that the attacker does not need to sign the inputs nor to have the full block-chain to perform the attack. He only requires the hashes of all previous transactions...' << why not check the sigs ~first~, before fetching anything ? 1407306;1455651251;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 19:18:49; punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe 1407307;1455651256;asciilifeform;handy kill. 1407308;1455651258;phf;"important fixes" is the equivalent of "here be dragons" from medieval cartography 1407309;1455651321;mircea_popescu;more like the equivalent of "domestic bliss" from the lulzy institution of singles-marriage. 1407310;1455651343;mircea_popescu;that enchanted thing that never existed except in retrospect, when some derp is complaining to the judge that someone else "ruined it". 1407311;1455651354;mircea_popescu;except if it were actually present, no "ruining" would have been possible 1407312;1455651361;asciilifeform;incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic. 1407313;1455651378;asciilifeform;as per the 'nobody gets jack shit just for showing up' law. 1407314;1455651464;asciilifeform;ultimately, there are precisely two kinds of possible bitcoin node: 1407315;1455651473;asciilifeform;1) the kind that processes ALL INPUTS at LINE SPEED 1407316;1455651500;asciilifeform;2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers. 1407317;1455651515;asciilifeform;tertium non datur. 1407318;1455651598;asciilifeform;of course this is a trick question, because presently no box on the net is a (1) 1407319;1455651608;asciilifeform;except possibly for a disconnected one. 1407320;1455651781;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: yea I can't find it. i don't feel like wasting more time on it. he basically just said, "This client is forked from out of date thing which is insecure cause rogue miner blah blah blah" 1407321;1455651996;ben_vulpes;punkman: jpost bit is plarious 1407322;1455652244;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: snore. 1407323;1455652348;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407297 << on that note, one time in his #yandere channel he lied about whether he was the yandere or not, and killed everyone :< 1407324;1455652348;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 19:24:38; mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ? 1407325;1455652375;punkman;;;ud plarious 1407326;1455652376;gribble;Google found nothing. 1407327;1455652483;danielpbarron;when i play games in which i might be a secret bad guy type thing, I still don't lie about it. I just don't say anything one way or the other. This means not talking too much even as one of the good guys, so it won't look out of place when I'm a bad guy 1407328;1455652512;ben_vulpes;punkman: pretty hilarious 1407329;1455652529;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: yandere? 1407330;1455652557;danielpbarron;a bot randomly assigns roles to anyone who wants to play, at least one of which is a murder guy called the 'yandere' 1407331;1455652586;danielpbarron;the good guys have to figure out who he is over the course of days and nights. The yandere can optionally kill people at night 1407332;1455652607;punkman;also known as "werewolf" or "mafia" 1407333;1455652623;danielpbarron;there's lots of similar games; I prefer one called "The Resistance" 1407334;1455652656;danielpbarron;where there are opponents of an oppresive distopian government as good guys, and goverment agent spies as bad guys trying to sabotage the missions 1407335;1455652685;danielpbarron;requires a minimum of 5 players though, so it's nearly impossible to play 1407336;1455652872;asciilifeform;i think we play this here... 1407337;1455652890;punkman;heh 1407338;1455652994;danielpbarron;!b 5 1407339;1455652995;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36GHHD3.txt ) 1407340;1455653035;danielpbarron;how does this bash command work? is that automatically submitted to b.b-a.link or am I supposed to use that dpaste to submit it manually? 1407341;1455653073;punkman;it's submitted 1407342;1455653077;danielpbarron;ah, cool 1407343;1455653226;danielpbarron;!up grahvity||| 1407344;1455653867;mircea_popescu;"* An example of Red Hat's "find and fix the whole issue, not just the obvious part", is shell shock. After the initial CVE for shell shock, several people proposed different ways of fixing it. Florian was one, he quickly worked on it and released a proposed patch. Over the next few days there were three MORE CVEs for shell shock, covering different variations on the same theme. Florian's initial patch covered all of t 1407345;1455653868;mircea_popescu;hem, including the ones that hadn't been fully characterized when he proposed it. His approach was approved by general consensus and that's what we all use today - partly because he put in the time and effort to fix the broader issue, not just the specific case that had been identified. This approach means that sometimes it takes Red Hat a while to release a fix, but when they do, it's the right fix." 1407346;1455653952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.00055631 = 18.8283 BTC [-] {2} 1407347;1455653953;mircea_popescu;apparently a nude statemet of "florian werner knew exactly what the hole was, to an extent larger than what was at the time specified" doesn't coalesce into "holy shit, florian weimer puts the security holes in there!" 1407348;1455653958;mircea_popescu;why not ? how did he know ? 1407349;1455653961;mircea_popescu;"security fixes!" 1407350;1455654004;mircea_popescu;"hard work". bla-bla. 1407351;1455654013;mircea_popescu;intentional self-castration is a helluva thing. 1407352;1455654129;asciilifeform;brain-melting. 1407353;1455654166;mircea_popescu;one ray morris. 1407354;1455654347;asciilifeform;same story as, e.g., heartbleed. 1407355;1455654364;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1407356;1455654384;asciilifeform;in the sense that b-a was the only publicly-visible hole in the 'consensus reality' 1407357;1455654492;mircea_popescu;a, in that sense. yeah. 1407358;1455654985;davout;ohai all 1407359;1455655021;thestringpuller;hai davout 1407360;1455655082;asciilifeform;hi davout 1407361;1455655106;shinohai;o/ davout 1407362;1455655106;asciilifeform;how's life among the minarets of al-paris ? 1407363;1455655119;davout;noisy five times a day 1407364;1455655168;asciilifeform;i saw a fella kneel down towards mecca on a sheet of ice, last weekend 1407365;1455655170;asciilifeform;mega-dedication. 1407366;1455655244;davout;old, but related http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/08/30/toujours-pas-de-solution-pour-mettre-un-terme-aux-prieres-de-rue-a-paris_1565538_3224.html 1407367;1455655245;assbot;Toujours pas de solution pour mettre un terme aux prières de rue à Paris ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjtdTF ) 1407368;1455655313;davout;anyway, the glibc dns drama seems to be yielding large amounts of lulz and butthurt 1407369;1455655363;davout;"we can't remove this thing from our code because it breaks some unnecessary feature, also random reasons maybe" <-> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d027oy0 1407370;1455655364;assbot;nullc comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjto19 ) 1407371;1455655365;shinohai;maxwell is butthurt beyond words. 1407372;1455655411;*;shinohai apply to butthurt: ( ::: [ ] ::: ) 1407373;1455655584;thestringpuller;^-- that looks like an anus 1407374;1455655587;davout;mircea_popescu: care to x.eur pl0x? 1407375;1455655631;PeterL;thestringpuller are those freckles or pimples? 1407376;1455655975;mircea_popescu;o hey there. 1407377;1455655976;mircea_popescu;yeah on it. 1407378;1455656074;mircea_popescu;davout feel free to remind them that they can keep whatever gunk they like in their IRRELEVANT distro. bitcoin foundation has bitcoin covered, nobody needs them for any purpose. 1407379;1455656087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44417 @ 0.00056656 = 25.1649 BTC [+] {2} 1407380;1455656166;mircea_popescu;shinohai> maxwell is butthurt beyond words. << feel free to link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407284 1407381;1455656166;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 19:17:04; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree " all over again, is it ? 1407382;1455656173;mircea_popescu;this "experts" bullshit never gets old. 1407383;1455656188;mircea_popescu;when will redditards learn that YOU DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE REPUBLIC ? 1407384;1455656209;asciilifeform;our of curiosity, anybody know what maxwell does for a living ? 1407385;1455656214;asciilifeform;*out of 1407386;1455656230;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "for a living" ? 1407387;1455656239;mircea_popescu;he eats the government cheese, just like everyone else in ebt land. 1407388;1455656247;asciilifeform;but ~which~ cheese. 1407389;1455656265;mircea_popescu;you know, the stuff they give for free at walmart ? 1407390;1455656270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00056795 = 11.3721 BTC [+] 1407391;1455656275;asciilifeform;prolly not literally ? 1407392;1455656276;mircea_popescu;ever met a 40 yo phd ? 1407393;1455656279;mircea_popescu;yes literally. 1407394;1455656285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: met hundreds 1407395;1455656292;mircea_popescu;!up stec 1407396;1455656351;Stec;oh, nice 1407397;1455656369;Stec;hello all of 1407398;1455656381;mircea_popescu;hi. who're you ? 1407399;1455656422;Stec;Bitcoin enthusiast from Russia 1407400;1455656507;punkman;asciilifeform: works at blockstream iirc 1407401;1455656537;Stec;I have 5 full node 1407402;1455656539;asciilifeform;punkman: ty. i suspected something of the kind. 1407403;1455656552;mircea_popescu;Stec are you running trb on them ? 1407404;1455656619;Stec;trb? 1407405;1455656635;mircea_popescu;the real bitcoin. as opposed to the pr-bitcoin. 1407406;1455656678;mircea_popescu;Stec http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << especially the mailing list. 1407407;1455656678;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) 1407408;1455656704;BingoBoingo;My the logs accumulate after steppign away from the screen just a bit. 1407409;1455656716;Stec;I think to install one 1407410;1455656735;mircea_popescu;go for it. with the scripts mod6 provides it's a breeze 1407411;1455656737;Stec;accidentally found trb 1407412;1455656740;mircea_popescu;and iirc he was looking for more testers. 1407413;1455656761;Stec;5 nodes running on bitcoin core 1407414;1455656797;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey, knc is firing people. 1407415;1455656810;Stec;what an idea trb? 1407416;1455656833;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Where? Did the stabbing go to far? WHy are they brining guns into this? 1407417;1455656834;Stec;clean code Satoshi 1407418;1455656865;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well in the good tradition of shitcorps, they're opaque as mud, but apparently 20 or so. 1407419;1455656878;mircea_popescu;Stec also get registered with assbot 1407420;1455656880;mircea_popescu;!h 1407421;1455656880;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1407422;1455656952;Stec;what an idea trb? 1407423;1455656991;shinohai;Stec: http://thebitcoin.foundation 1407424;1455656991;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 ) 1407425;1455657011;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You got a submission with your knc truefax? 1407426;1455657028;mircea_popescu;notrly 1407427;1455657036;asciilifeform;Stec: рекомендую познакомиться с исходиками trb, не пожалеешь 1407428;1455657044;BingoBoingo;K, I found a source in Swedish 1407429;1455657103;Stec;Я так понимаю задумка этого проекта это чистый код от Satoshi 1407430;1455657139;mircea_popescu;pretty much yes. 1407431;1455657190;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will become a Third-Party Candidate - http://bitbet.us/bet/1187/donald-trump-will-become-a-third-party-candidate/#b11 1407432;1455657190;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b21 1407433;1455657232;asciilifeform;Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее 1407434;1455657286;Stec;Разве команда Bitcoin core отходит от задумки Satoshi 1407435;1455657312;asciilifeform;Stec: шутишь ? 1407436;1455657326;thestringpuller;ит от задумки Satoshi 1407437;1455657342;Stec;XT отходит от задумки 1407438;1455657360;thestringpuller;oops. 1407439;1455657366;Stec;Classic тоже 1407440;1455657371;mircea_popescu;why do you suppose "the ideas of satoshi" are of any particular interest anyway ? or whatever is this. 1407441;1455657423;Stec;погодите ребята, я не пойму. Я всегда думал что разработчики Core были только за идею Satoshi 1407442;1455657450;mircea_popescu;what is "the satoshi idea" ? 1407443;1455657461;jurov;;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur 1407444;1455657463;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 365.1, Best ask: 370.96, Bid-ask spread: 5.86000, Last trade: 370.8, 24 hour volume: 76.79598587, 24 hour low: 353.02, 24 hour high: 370.84, 24 hour vwap: 365.74033294 1407445;1455657584;Stec;Использовать единые правила, не делать хардфорки 1407446;1455657590;asciilifeform;Stec: 'core' под пиндосским колпаком года 4-5 1407447;1455657617;Stec;парни из classic делают разкол в сети 1407448;1455657667;Stec;Раскол сети, это же плохо зачем нужны вообще форки в 2 мегабайта 1407449;1455657684;deedbot-;[Qntra] KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees - http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/ 1407450;1455657689;Stec;двойная трата 1407451;1455657725;Stec;Так значит Core и вся команда уже не следует постулатам Satoshi 1407452;1455657752;Stec;trb не форк? 1407453;1455657754;punkman;BingoBoingo: > "compromising 20% of their workforce" 1407454;1455657793;asciilifeform;Stec: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407433 << 1407455;1455657793;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 21:13:52; asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее 1407456;1455657803;BingoBoingo;punkman: ty, fxd used to using the other word more 1407457;1455657826;asciilifeform;Stec: а в остальном - 0.5.3 1407458;1455657838;Stec;Это же очень старая версия 1407459;1455657854;Stec;но она чистая, я так понял 1407460;1455657863;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo plox to make the link to "you dare offend mp with your inept posturing, you die" point. 1407461;1455657872;Stec;у меня ноды работают все на 11.2 1407462;1455657872;mircea_popescu;mayhap it helps some other idiots somewhere down the line. 1407463;1455657921;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I forget where did kncminer offend you. I'm juggling all the things right nao. 1407464;1455657942;asciilifeform;Stec: после 0.5.3 - 'core' == торжество вредителей 1407465;1455657950;thestringpuller;"yay lets work for this bitcoin company" ---- 5 months later ----> "oh no I got laid off!" 1407466;1455657958;Stec;Я готов выделить пару серверов для trb 1407467;1455657981;asciilifeform;anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ? 1407468;1455657986;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo weren't they one of the "supporters" of random forks ? 1407469;1455658000;Stec;Вы думаете Core со временем угробит Bitcoin 1407470;1455658031;Stec;Разве разработчики из Classic не сделают это раньше 1407471;1455658039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16486 @ 0.00056766 = 9.3584 BTC [-] 1407472;1455658052;BingoBoingo;Who even knows anymore, but until the Pete Relations firm opens up shoop I'm trying to juggle all of the propaganda myself. I might add it if I see it or if you find it first perhaps comment it up. 1407473;1455658074;BingoBoingo;Comments seems like fine place for gloating. 1407474;1455658074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, not ot be an asshole, but anything past brief inserts is pretty noisy to anyone but the select few who happen to read the language/ 1407475;1455658109;BingoBoingo;!up Stec 1407476;1455658128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my work is done 1407477;1455658131;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business 1407478;1455658131;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1407479;1455658147;asciilifeform;fella says he wants to try trb. 1407480;1455658152;asciilifeform;needs recipe. 1407481;1455658168;Stec;I'm sorry, I would like to speak English but I know it is bad 1407482;1455658172;thestringpuller;What is MiniTruth again? 1407483;1455658215;thestringpuller;!s minitruth 1407484;1455658216;assbot;3 results for 'minitruth' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minitruth 1407485;1455658258;asciilifeform;Stec: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin 1407486;1455658260;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW ) 1407487;1455658314;Stec;Спасибо 1407488;1455658317;jurov;thestringpuller: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PropagandaMachine?from=Main.TheMinistryOfTruth 1407489;1455658319;assbot;Propaganda Machine - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqfkkR ) 1407490;1455658330;Stec;asciilifeform откуда вы? 1407491;1455658411;asciilifeform;Stec: 'мой адрес - не дом и не улица, мой адрес - советский союз' (TM) (R) 1407492;1455658416;asciilifeform;let's try to stick to eng. 1407493;1455658448;Stec;hah, ok 1407494;1455658490;jurov;heh, советский человек ftw! 1407495;1455658501;asciilifeform;Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb. 1407496;1455658519;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371728 1407497;1455658519;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 21:09:08; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well. 1407498;1455658563;mircea_popescu;should be a pretty good entry. 1407499;1455658581;Stec;I have no problem to install a couple of three servers 1407500;1455658593;BingoBoingo;Ah, you mean the fork where they said every pool had committed and Antminer was the only sucker who actually did? 1407501;1455658599;mircea_popescu;great opportunity to improve your english also Stec :) 1407502;1455658613;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, this was the "classic" fork. 1407503;1455658620;asciilifeform;Stec: start by building the code. we don't distribute binaries. 1407504;1455658669;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrh5atJHWs1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1407505;1455658670;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjxVAA ) 1407506;1455658678;asciilifeform;Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself. 1407507;1455658684;phf;we have replace all bitcoin crypto with GOST 28147-89, next step own koi8-r cyrillic based c++ translator 1407508;1455658692;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes, the classic fork where they advertise pretty much everyone but F2Pool on their page even today and many of the pools have since fucked off 1407509;1455658719;asciilifeform;phf: don't forget the built in volkov kommander !11 1407510;1455658719;BingoBoingo;But yes will add a note because 2 for 1 lulz 1407511;1455658723;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. 1407512;1455658744;mircea_popescu;is volkov how you say norton in sputnik ? 1407513;1455658772;asciilifeform;http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ch03/volkov_commander.shtml << believe or not 1407514;1455658773;assbot;Volkov Commander - a masterpiece of assembler programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjy6Mn ) 1407515;1455658776;phf;send transaction by copy f6 from left tab to right tab 1407516;1455658789;mircea_popescu;lol 1407517;1455658797;Stec;you would know how I found you by accident, to the list of connected nodes 1407518;1455658808;mircea_popescu;did we do the "xtg ruled" thing last time or not rly ? 1407519;1455658812;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They still list Bitfury even though Bitfury led the "Let's all pull up our pants before MP gets here effort. 1407520;1455658835;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo considering they have no reputations or anything similar, they'll prolly list alf there next. 1407521;1455658845;asciilifeform;l0lwutg 1407522;1455658846;BingoBoingo;seriously. 1407523;1455658848;mircea_popescu;mhm. 1407524;1455658937;danielpbarron;i made two comments on the /r/bitcoin redditard thing and they don't appear from archive.is point of view ; I think i recall a moderator explaining to me that my comments in particular require moderator approval 1407525;1455658999;mircea_popescu;you be special! 1407526;1455659051;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: make more accounts, reddit doesn't check that you use different browsers on the same machine to talk to yourself and make a one man lulz train 1407527;1455659065;BingoBoingo;It's what the Phillipinos do 1407528;1455659075;danielpbarron;that's not my style 1407529;1455659090;danielpbarron;i won't even rejoin irc channels from which i have been simply kicked (not banned) 1407530;1455659107;mircea_popescu;why would you. 1407531;1455659128;danielpbarron;they can come apologize to me if they want me back 1407532;1455659128;BingoBoingo;Hey, I'm just pointing out the limits of the broken 1407533;1455659166;BingoBoingo;Reddit was made exactly for the Phillipino sort of astroturf spammer 1407534;1455659185;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/ << and updated 1407535;1455659186;assbot;KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 ) 1407536;1455659198;Stec;Classic 1000 is already connected nodes 1407537;1455659207;Stec;https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/ 1407538;1455659208;assbot;24-hour Charts - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyTwP ) 1407539;1455659230;BingoBoingo;Stec: And a lot of them are on free AWS instances 1407540;1455659292;Stec;I agree 1407541;1455659314;Stec;To make it appear 1407542;1455659359;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Update: KncMiner is also one of the many mining operations listed to this day as supporting the ClassicCoin fork (along with Bitfury, which led the backpedalling effort after it became obvious Classiccoin does not have nor can acquire the support of key players in the market.)" ? 1407543;1455659375;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz << unzip, ./build_bitcoin.sh, make tea 1407544;1455659376;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv ) 1407545;1455659389;ben_vulpes;but omg pulls from net 1407546;1455659422;Stec;They outweigh the bulk of the total of connected nodes, and will split 1407547;1455659467;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, fxd 1407548;1455659502;BingoBoingo;Stec: I've only ever had 2 maximum classic nodes connected to any of mine at the same time. 1407549;1455659535;shinohai;You must use a samovar to make the tea though, if you skip that step your bitcoind may function erratically. 1407550;1455659579;Stec;Samovar, hah 1407551;1455659587;Stec;Самовар это отличная штука 1407552;1455659619;Stec;Частенько сапогом его раздувал 1407553;1455659728;danielpbarron;and you need a slithy tove to make a samovar, and those are very hard to come by 1407554;1455659787;shinohai;^^ 1407555;1455659790;mircea_popescu;lol 1407556;1455659800;Stec;:D 1407557;1455659861;BingoBoingo;What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt. 1407558;1455659890;BingoBoingo;"vent with fire" 1407559;1455659909;Stec;hahha 1407560;1455659936;BingoBoingo;!up Stec 1407561;1455660050;shinohai;!s http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/ 1407562;1455660051;assbot;IBM has just open-sourced 44,000 lines of blockchain code on GitHub | KnowNaija ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjA67q ) 1407563;1455660052;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knownaija.com%2Fibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github%2F 1407564;1455660117;mod6;there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb. 1407565;1455660125;mod6;these instructions are out of date 1407566;1455660145;mircea_popescu;are 44k lines of crap better than merely 34k lines of crap ? 1407567;1455660177;phf;BingoBoingo: there's basically a ru equivalent of throwing lion cells, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/7/7d/Кипятильник.JPG 1407568;1455660178;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjAiDH ) 1407569;1455660202;asciilifeform;phf: you can get these in usa 1407570;1455660204;asciilifeform;i have one. 1407571;1455660208;mod6;this is the script that should be run to build: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh 1407572;1455660209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO ) 1407573;1455660218;mod6;Stec: ^ 1407574;1455660223;phf;asciilifeform: i'm having trouble finding one that doesn't burn out 1407575;1455660226;Stec;ok 1407576;1455660232;BingoBoingo;phf: That just gets hot, doesn't vent fire 1407577;1455660233;trinque;shinohai: reads like they redid ethereum 1407578;1455660269;shinohai;trinque: yup, they figured out it is utter shit so they open sauced and hope someone can fix it. 1407579;1455660270;BingoBoingo;phf: Looks a lot like "engine block heater" pretty common in mod6's corner of USia 1407580;1455660326;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d02dax4 << lulzy 1407581;1455660327;assbot;ScatoshiNukamoto comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDB8Yp ) 1407582;1455660460;ben_vulpes;> blockchain suit 1407583;1455660462;ben_vulpes;> suit 1407584;1455660463;ben_vulpes;wut 1407585;1455660485;mircea_popescu;lol 1407586;1455660493;mircea_popescu;and the land of the lounge lizzards! 1407587;1455660493;trinque;sounds like a sweet suit 1407588;1455660558;ben_vulpes;wrap me in blocks 1407589;1455660564;ben_vulpes;chain me to sleep 1407590;1455660581;ben_vulpes;carbonate my foes 1407591;1455660874;thestringpuller;carbonate ben_vulpes enemies into a nice ginger ale 1407592;1455660882;thestringpuller;enemies tears* 1407593;1455661061;BingoBoingo;What about gingering ale? https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zUPbl80n6v8/TexCrpVpzfI/AAAAAAAAB7k/sQyj6BPhXRw/s1600/Ginger_Finger_for_Figging.jpg 1407594;1455661062;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjBC9s ) 1407595;1455661211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73748 @ 0.00055854 = 41.1912 BTC [-] {2} 1407596;1455661380;ben_vulpes;drop enemies into centrifuge 1407597;1455661383;ben_vulpes;reduce to liquid 1407598;1455661391;ben_vulpes;pipe liquid into biodiesel reactor 1407599;1455661394;ben_vulpes;burn for electricity 1407600;1455661405;ben_vulpes;centrifuge next derp 1407601;1455661406;ben_vulpes;repeat 1407602;1455661428;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the infamous mouse table ? 1407603;1455661452;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982994 << it 1407604;1455661452;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 05:00:20; asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel 1407605;1455661488;asciilifeform;^ afaik, the first carnivorous robot 1407606;1455661540;ben_vulpes;aha 1407607;1455661700;asciilifeform;if ben_vulpes just woke up, he's in for a mega-log 1407608;1455661723;asciilifeform;or hm nm 1407609;1455661727;thestringpuller;it's like 9am hippie-ville time 1407610;1455661761;danielpbarron;oh hey my reddit comments got approved! waddayaknow 1407611;1455661815;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm just going to skip over all the rutalk 1407612;1455661836;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not missing much 1407613;1455661838;ben_vulpes;also, did symbolics make an awesome spreadsheet editor? 1407614;1455661871;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why would you need a spreadshit on a box where you can dynamically conjure a porthole into $arbitrarydatum onto the display ? 1407615;1455662019;mircea_popescu;because. 1407616;1455662026;mircea_popescu;you don't understand women, alfie. 1407617;1455662031;asciilifeform;waiwut?! 1407618;1455662052;mircea_popescu;you expect excel spread sheets are a UTILITY ? 1407619;1455662057;asciilifeform;aha? 1407620;1455662072;mircea_popescu;mno. 1407621;1455662075;asciilifeform;and if used as 'boss screen', can make one wherever? 1407622;1455662076;mircea_popescu;they are a security. 1407623;1455662085;mircea_popescu;they exist to assuage existential anxiety as experienced by females. 1407624;1455662103;asciilifeform;is this still called 'boss screen' or am i behind the times. 1407625;1455662118;mircea_popescu;nothing to do with that. 1407626;1455662124;asciilifeform;then i have nfi? 1407627;1455662128;mircea_popescu;it's not fear. it's anxiety. 1407628;1455662137;asciilifeform;what anxiety ? why females 1407629;1455662172;mircea_popescu;anxiety is a subjective experience of loss of control. tends to be females because of accidents of their anatomy leave a mark in the early psyche. 1407630;1455662219;mircea_popescu;but boys can be taught to live in the same terms np, and plenty do. 1407631;1455662302;mircea_popescu;(george costanza's famous "Ear puberty, nose puberty, knuckle puberty. You gotta be vigilant!" is quite a fine example in that vein. 1407632;1455662359;asciilifeform;even with this, 1407633;1455662384;asciilifeform;more effective number diddler ought to give stronger illusion of control ? 1407634;1455662414;mircea_popescu;not really, the control isn't over the interaction of numbers. the control is over the possibilities of existence. 1407635;1455662442;mircea_popescu;the more powerful the tool actually is, the more it exposes possibilities, necessarily. and perversely, the more threatening it is to the typical she-office drone. 1407636;1455662492;mircea_popescu;note the acceptance of computers in society as an exact mirror of the use of windows and apple. it's a thing. 1407637;1455662514;asciilifeform;'visicalc' was a hyperbestseller before all of this, no ? 1407638;1455662543;asciilifeform;~1mil copies iirc 1407639;1455662554;mircea_popescu;what's 1mn ? 1407640;1455662555;asciilifeform;just the ones ~paid for~ 1407641;1455662592;mircea_popescu;if you couldn't find a million not-outright-insane individuals the species would be in serious trouble huh ? 1407642;1455662597;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing the top 1mn here. 1407643;1455662597;asciilifeform;!s visicalc 1407644;1455662598;assbot;0 results for 'visicalc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=visicalc 1407645;1455662604;mircea_popescu;we're discussing the bottom five billion. 1407646;1455662609;asciilifeform;y'know, the first electronic spread-shit 1407647;1455662688;asciilifeform;http://bricklin.com/visicalc.htm << author's www 1407648;1455662689;assbot;VisiCalc: Information from its creators, Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjEXFv ) 1407649;1455662716;mircea_popescu;at about the same time, most dudes with computer knowledge were trying to get their so/fuckdoll/cook to try computers, and dollars to donuts she said no because what if she breaks it, and he assured her she can't break it, being the idiot that he was, and that assurance didn't do anything. 1407650;1455662718;thestringpuller;visicalc is the greatest thing ever tho 1407651;1455662722;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/a2_VisiCalc_1984_Software_Arts << runable (!) 1407652;1455662724;assbot;VisiCalc : Software Arts : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjF1oR ) 1407653;1455662729;mircea_popescu;because of the unspoken "but what if IT breaks ME, you won't fix ME will you". 1407654;1455662733;thestringpuller;proves 100% that excel is the biggest turd ever marketed 1407655;1455662849;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i confess that i haven't the faintest notion what is meant here 1407656;1455662863;mircea_popescu;but ask a question! what error message is this! 1407657;1455662873;asciilifeform;what kind of animal says 'what if it breaks me!' 1407658;1455662878;asciilifeform;am i just not enough zoophiliac?! 1407659;1455662907;mircea_popescu;~unspoken~ 1407660;1455662914;mircea_popescu;must read all the words! 1407661;1455662928;asciilifeform;make that 'what kind of animal unspokenly moos...' 1407662;1455662950;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/pets/dog-gets-credit-for-stopping-sexual-assault-in-southeast-missouri/article_99c85664-c858-5d43-b4b1-effa3ebe5210.html 1407663;1455662951;assbot;Dog gets credit for stopping sexual assault in southeast Missouri : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGdoIE ) 1407664;1455662964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine they'd also have a face you don't care for. 1407665;1455662972;asciilifeform;was thinking this also. 1407666;1455662994;asciilifeform;'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo' 1407667;1455663001;mircea_popescu;and why not ? 1407668;1455663020;mircea_popescu;gets slippery all the same. 1407669;1455663025;asciilifeform;i haven't a good why. why won't mircea_popescu do short chicks ? 1407670;1455663027;asciilifeform;goats ? 1407671;1455663046;asciilifeform;chickens ? 1407672;1455663083;mircea_popescu;i confess i actually did a chick that was short and otherwise built entirely like a 12 boy. well, minus the penis, but boobs as big as mine et al. 1407673;1455663094;mircea_popescu;so... don't laugh at the goat, you never know when you'll be riding one. 1407674;1455663107;*;mircea_popescu is kinda half-expecting bb to marry 300lb worth of love. 1407675;1455663132;asciilifeform;l0l! 1407676;1455663199;mircea_popescu;actually her boob is on trilema somewhere 1407677;1455663233;*;BingoBoingo remembers that one from the logs, the annoying one with Candidiasis. 1407678;1455663241;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?! 1407679;1455663264;asciilifeform;anyway my point was not to make fun of the predicament of zoophiliacs, but to confess that i am mostly ignorant of these 1407680;1455663278;asciilifeform;i have nfi what it is really like to have a moo in the house, in the bed. 1407681;1455663288;asciilifeform;and how anyone lives with this. 1407682;1455663317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me ask you this, would you prefer a bricked phone to a phone that randomly starts beeping and running interference with your display ? 1407683;1455663319;asciilifeform;i imagine this is how castration cults are born. 1407684;1455663329;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: brick. 1407685;1455663338;mircea_popescu;so there's your explanation. 1407686;1455663344;mircea_popescu;"at least the stupid one shuts up."| 1407687;1455663347;asciilifeform;does it ?! 1407688;1455663365;mircea_popescu;yeah. stupid people are never given enough credit. they're broadly speaking pliable, reliable and altogether pleasant. 1407689;1455663375;asciilifeform;in my experience, stupid more or less == 'won't shut up without physical gag' 1407690;1455663376;mircea_popescu;it's mediocre people that have been miseducated that are unbearable. 1407691;1455663388;mircea_popescu;nfwis. 1407692;1455663413;BingoBoingo; wait wut ?! << The SSBBW who did the pay for tits thing on Trilema and kept popping up in channel for a while trying to peddle more pictures of fold mold. 1407693;1455663432;shinohai;LOL 1407694;1455663455;shinohai;I missed that, a fattie on trilema? 1407695;1455663456;mircea_popescu;da fuck ?! 1407696;1455663461;asciilifeform;l0lwut 1407697;1455663534;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-113390 1407698;1455663535;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGefZN ) 1407699;1455663543;shinohai;I have seen 3 whale dominatrices on reddit that accept Bitcoin. 1407700;1455663576;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You mean dominmayos 1407701;1455663584;shinohai;:D 1407702;1455663600;mircea_popescu;lol i completely forgot that. 1407703;1455663702;shinohai;pete_dushenski, just the gentleman I wished to see ... 1407704;1455663747;pete_dushenski;o ? 1407705;1455663779;shinohai;was wondering what height your node was at ... 1407706;1455663792;shinohai;and if you were still experiencing any disconnects? 1407707;1455663805;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: A severe anti-optimization of drunkeness is where one doesn't get to pick the parts they remeber. 1407708;1455663920;mircea_popescu;lol i bet. 1407709;1455663957;pete_dushenski;shinohai: strangely, almost unprecedentedly, the 99996_2 node is running very smoothly atm. it's at 334k. the difference ? only -connect to a single node instead of 3-5. 1407710;1455663991;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407477 << how can i be of service ? 1407711;1455663991;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 21:28:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business 1407712;1455663999;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: wait which one was she on the update list? 1407713;1455664007;thestringpuller;none of those girls look like fat people 1407714;1455664019;shinohai;Mine barfed earlier but has been running fine abt 3 hrs. 316516 height 1407715;1455664079;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407467 << http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh ? 1407716;1455664079;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 21:26:21; asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ? 1407717;1455664080;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO ) 1407718;1455664084;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407666 << ehehehe 1407719;1455664084;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 22:49:54; asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo' 1407720;1455664107;thestringpuller;would you like some more gnu? 1407721;1455664110;pete_dushenski;i guess guide != script eh 1407722;1455664167;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081554 1407723;1455664167;assbot;Logged on 31-03-2015 22:56:16; SquirtPrincess: http://imgur.com/MwtIflI 1407724;1455664205;pete_dushenski;iz gone 1407725;1455664214;trinque;link's even staler than before 1407726;1455664245;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/8b5hM << qntra on top of buttcoin. lulz in itself! 1407727;1455664246;assbot;Buttcoin: backed by gold, comedy gold! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjH4sW ) 1407728;1455664251;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You know... whatever you planned to do 1407729;1455664252;mircea_popescu;congrats to all the shills. 1407730;1455664263;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I think it was deleted 1407731;1455664264;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Happens rather frequently compared to /r/bitcoin 1407732;1455664273;pete_dushenski;shinohai: my host also just sent me an email apologising for their recent performance and offering next month free as compensation, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was causing the auto-deaths at least. 1407733;1455664279;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo which is the free speech one ? 1407734;1455664282;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Your eyes should be thankful 1407735;1455664288;thestringpuller;LOL 1407736;1455664289;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: /r/btc 1407737;1455664318;BingoBoingo;the /r/BTC is roger VERified 1407738;1455664340;thestringpuller;all who do not accept bitcoin jesus as their cryptolord and savior are ostracized 1407739;1455664385;shinohai;The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now? 1407740;1455664450;BingoBoingo;Yes 1407741;1455664454;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i planned things now ? hm. best re-read those logs. particularly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288874 1407742;1455664454;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 19:36:25; pete_dushenski: ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business 1407743;1455664492;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, your adoring pubic is waiting for a decision Lebron. 1407744;1455664506;pete_dushenski;needless to say, i've been poking at it. still not 100% convinced. 1407745;1455664536;pete_dushenski;don't make me have a prime time tv press conpherence 1407746;1455664565;BingoBoingo;Maybe start some dry test runs? Force a meme or something? 1407747;1455664657;pete_dushenski;i'd consider those letters i wrote to peck and lee as 'dry test runs' but mebbe not enough forced meme! 1407748;1455664993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48052 @ 0.00055889 = 26.8558 BTC [+] 1407749;1455665185;pete_dushenski;from the mines, "The [core] reference client isn't reallly intended to be used as a wallet. It's more for nodes and miners. Use hardware wallets, or electrum, or basically anything other than core for a wallet. If you're running core, just think of it as a node your more secure wallet connects to." 1407750;1455665603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00055704 = 26.1809 BTC [-] {4} 1407751;1455665847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00056173 = 24.9408 BTC [+] {2} 1407752;1455666347;thestringpuller;antpool jacks all hashpower for classiccoin blocks 1407753;1455666358;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: We spell it AA without the periods 1407754;1455666640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00055632 = 30.0413 BTC [-] {4} 1407755;1455666994;mircea_popescu;aok 1407756;1455667113;shinohai;poor mats, he is using irccloud 1407757;1455667189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42370 @ 0.0005638 = 23.8882 BTC [+] {3} 1407758;1455667196;shinohai;!rate BingoBoingo 2 Thank you for help with first Qntra submission. 1407759;1455667196;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3af44ca879c391a5 1407760;1455667262;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.BingoBoingo.2:224302a371012a7e132efb7105dc1ccb57a0e4c9a250ee792ac66b5243bdf4a8 1407761;1455667267;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission. 1407762;1455667372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92750 @ 0.00056829 = 52.7089 BTC [+] {3} 1407763;1455667789;mod6;werd up 1407764;1455667862;shinohai;how goes it 1407765;1455667922;mod6;*whew* busy. 1407766;1455667930;mod6;gonna grind on this stuff tonight 1407767;1455667955;mod6;you? 1407768;1455667970;ben_vulpes;i have been poking holes in poor mod6's v implementation for days now 1407769;1455667983;mircea_popescu;dun stress him out now, ye hear ? 1407770;1455667990;mod6;he's doing good work. 1407771;1455668000;mod6;just trying to get everything back into sync 1407772;1455668009;ben_vulpes;to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs 1407773;1455668021;BingoBoingo;alf submission update: "reject: low quality" https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/ 1407774;1455668022;assbot;GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X ) 1407775;1455668030;mircea_popescu;loller. 1407776;1455668592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00056481 = 30.4433 BTC [-] {2} 1407777;1455669080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 38450 @ 0.0004795 = 18.4368 BTC [+] {2} 1407778;1455669172;asciilifeform;the hn post appears to have been zapped entirely. 1407779;1455669189;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise. 1407780;1455669260;asciilifeform;gotta love the old sack of shit, never disappoints. 1407781;1455669348;mircea_popescu;LOW QUALITY! 1407782;1455669386;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter" 1407783;1455669435;asciilifeform;waiwut 1407784;1455669440;mircea_popescu;hahaha what 1407785;1455669464;asciilifeform;!up so 1407786;1455669624;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You forgot? 1407787;1455669638;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun is the hn forum janitor 1407788;1455669646;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i never saw any reason to believe anything from the mouth of mr spam 1407789;1455669684;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: His being mr spam is why he was cheap hire for that 1407790;1455669702;hanbot;i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket? 1407791;1455669717;BingoBoingo;I thought they did 1407792;1455669830;BingoBoingo;They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman 1407793;1455669934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.00056351 = 11.2065 BTC [-] 1407794;1455670002;hanbot;i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop 1407795;1455670148;BingoBoingo;They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza 1407796;1455670196;*;mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers. 1407797;1455670204;mircea_popescu;so... win-win, as they say in loserland. 1407798;1455670678;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Y3YdnVu.jpg 1407799;1455670679;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmY8xa ) 1407800;1455671090;BingoBoingo;In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973 1407801;1455671093;assbot;Slashdot Poll | Regarding videos on Slashdot, should we: ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyhnA ) 1407802;1455671093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46513 @ 0.00055669 = 25.8933 BTC [-] 1407803;1455671120;BingoBoingo;!up itkin 1407804;1455671126;BingoBoingo;!up joshbuddy 1407805;1455671215;mircea_popescu;http://49.media.tumblr.com/852f722c238d3065f474c5815f3e5c1c/tumblr_niycb0wlKg1qlne6uo1_400.gif << in other-other news, well trained girls exist. 1407806;1455671216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyqYb ) 1407807;1455671228;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ? 1407808;1455671230;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqytTC ) 1407809;1455671384;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting. 1407810;1455671433;BingoBoingo;But will look 1407811;1455671459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131400 @ 0.00055978 = 73.5551 BTC [+] {2} 1407812;1455672191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24095 @ 0.00055978 = 13.4879 BTC [+] {2} 1407813;1455672920;asciilifeform;mega-blackhole-action today, incidentally. 1407814;1455672984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24505 @ 0.00055828 = 13.6807 BTC [-] 1407815;1455673382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform qntra stayed online, note. 1407816;1455673472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31327 @ 0.00056412 = 17.6722 BTC [+] {3} 1407817;1455673569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field 1407818;1455673579;mircea_popescu;oh, that's what it is. 1407819;1455673646;asciilifeform;for the lack of other hypothesis ? 1407820;1455673655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056735 = 12.0846 BTC [+] {2} 1407821;1455673714;shinohai;!s http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701 1407822;1455673714;assbot;Judge Forces Apple to Help Unlock San Bernardino Shooter iPhone - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkwNq8 ) 1407823;1455673715;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Fsan-bernardino-shooting%2Fjudge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701 1407824;1455674149;mircea_popescu;!up eamonnw 1407825;1455674169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers. 1407826;1455674249;mircea_popescu;and in more of the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/accfa02eea100e7bade52a5e8a944564/tumblr_niwamsdgFX1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1407827;1455674250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qkxwrn ) 1407828;1455674887;shinohai;!rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~ 1407829;1455674888;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07321b80b5df9fd1 1407830;1455674939;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.danielpbarron.2:ff63c3e961a9d1a3201f60e625a4ffc7ed3ed811136a77d2a9ee7d9ba7805cb4 1407831;1455674940;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~ 1407832;1455674954;shinohai;^ did not want to scan 1407833;1455675104;asciilifeform;sooooo 1407834;1455675119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68686 @ 0.00056886 = 39.0727 BTC [+] {3} 1407835;1455675119;asciilifeform;i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs 1407836;1455675134;asciilifeform;tcpdump -nnXSs 0 port 8333 1407837;1455675140;asciilifeform;on zoolag, to be specific 1407838;1455675156;asciilifeform;which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour. 1407839;1455675180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66114 @ 0.00056956 = 37.6559 BTC [+] 1407840;1455675201;asciilifeform;curiously enough, it turns out that, 1407841;1455675249;asciilifeform;a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc) 1407842;1455675260;asciilifeform;just, not accepting new connections, nor processing tx. 1407843;1455675281;mircea_popescu;right. 1407844;1455675287;phf;re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron 1407845;1455675325;mircea_popescu;o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ? 1407846;1455675337;mircea_popescu;there's no v-marriage is there ? 1407847;1455675355;phf;topic needs a debate thread 1407848;1455675365;mircea_popescu;preferably on hackereddit. 1407849;1455675380;mircea_popescu;or wait what was that myspace called... twitterbook ? 1407850;1455675392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.' 1407851;1455675463;mircea_popescu;is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ? 1407852;1455675469;asciilifeform;('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man') 1407853;1455675498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8F) << src 1407854;1455675498;assbot;Чёрный ворон (песня) — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkzwjB ) 1407855;1455675515;mircea_popescu;aha. 1407856;1455675531;asciilifeform;(for n00bz, old s0ng, of a soldier to a raven who is picking at his still-living flesh) 1407857;1455675553;danielpbarron;i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father 1407858;1455675562;danielpbarron;wife doesn't need a key 1407859;1455675586;mircea_popescu;as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ? 1407860;1455675595;asciilifeform;keyless wife is liable to get switcheroo'd, also 1407861;1455675608;mircea_popescu;i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh. 1407862;1455675630;mircea_popescu;let the ravens do it. 1407863;1455675649;danielpbarron;well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her 1407864;1455675677;mircea_popescu;why not let her do it for him ? 1407865;1455675681;danielpbarron;that too 1407866;1455675689;danielpbarron;but the point is they are as one key, one flesh 1407867;1455675689;mircea_popescu;it\s a slippery problem. 1407868;1455675720;danielpbarron;it's like the penny auction collsion problem 1407869;1455675724;mircea_popescu;in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate. 1407870;1455675730;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key 1407871;1455675733;mod6;how do i know who im talking to 1407872;1455675736;asciilifeform;^ 1407873;1455675769;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: how do you issue an order, or take a dispatch, from a keyless animal ? 1407874;1455675770;danielpbarron;well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose 1407875;1455675776;danielpbarron;but that's not the same as an assbot registered key 1407876;1455675779;mircea_popescu;what is this "unpublished key" ? 1407877;1455675782;asciilifeform;^ 1407878;1455675784;asciilifeform;srsly 1407879;1455675789;danielpbarron;a key that only you and her know 1407880;1455675795;mircea_popescu;P stands for protocol, not for promise. 1407881;1455675816;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and after you wed the bayonet on the field ? 1407882;1455675820;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp 1407883;1455675821;asciilifeform;how does wife relay ? 1407884;1455675832;danielpbarron;so use otp then 1407885;1455675837;mircea_popescu;but otp can't sign. 1407886;1455675842;danielpbarron;why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go? 1407887;1455675882;mircea_popescu;how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ? 1407888;1455675898;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow. 1407889;1455675903;asciilifeform;yes, one can marry cow. 1407890;1455675907;asciilifeform;but this has distinct down-sides. 1407891;1455675910;mircea_popescu;can one ? 1407892;1455675923;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely sure i'd recognize cow marriage. heck, im doubtful about same gender marriage. 1407893;1455675925;asciilifeform;in a strictly psychiatric sense. 1407894;1455675929;danielpbarron;wives are not that much unlike cattle are they? 1407895;1455675935;mircea_popescu;i thought phf was trolling us with tmsr sense. 1407896;1455675936;asciilifeform;the way people 'marry' bricks, forks, the color purple. 1407897;1455675944;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron depends on the wife. 1407898;1455675960;danielpbarron;aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something? 1407899;1455675961;mircea_popescu;computers aren't much unlike shoe boxes, either. 1407900;1455675966;mircea_popescu;but this is not something anyone relishes. 1407901;1455675967;*;phf cackles 1407902;1455675981;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron plox to link me! 1407903;1455675982;mod6;part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot. 1407904;1455676035;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-14.log.html#t03:51:36 1407905;1455676037;assbot;#Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-02-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6Pjbu ) 1407906;1455676043;danielpbarron;>> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor. 1407907;1455676051;mircea_popescu;that's in eulora! 1407908;1455676054;danielpbarron;so? 1407909;1455676066;mircea_popescu;well it's a game, set in a fantasy medieval-ish setting! 1407910;1455676080;mircea_popescu;it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre. 1407911;1455676080;danielpbarron;it's the most realistic game i ever played 1407912;1455676085;mircea_popescu;this it may well be. 1407913;1455676153;mircea_popescu;this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market. 1407914;1455676159;mircea_popescu;(trade does not need a market to happen, note) 1407915;1455676183;danielpbarron;true i wouldn't call it any sort of market 1407916;1455676198;danielpbarron;or it's more of a decentralized trade 1407917;1455676214;danielpbarron;prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife 1407918;1455676233;mircea_popescu;more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry. 1407919;1455676241;danielpbarron;or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry 1407920;1455676256;mircea_popescu;it's not entirely clear father has much say. 1407921;1455676294;danielpbarron;king has say 1407922;1455676298;mircea_popescu;mmm. 1407923;1455676310;mircea_popescu;how do kings work in a republic ? 1407924;1455676347;danielpbarron;they get killed 1407925;1455676351;mircea_popescu;lol 1407926;1455676373;mircea_popescu;you seriously proposing someone should get killed because dude stumbled over nude girlie ? 1407927;1455676387;danielpbarron;wait who should be killed in that situation? 1407928;1455676388;mircea_popescu;a little death. let's not exaggerate. 1407929;1455676401;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here. 1407930;1455676410;danielpbarron;i meant in a republic the king gets killed 1407931;1455676445;mircea_popescu;well then he can't have much say can he ? 1407932;1455676460;mod6;for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot? 1407933;1455676475;mircea_popescu;mod6 i don't see why he couldn't be. 1407934;1455676477;mod6;just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating 1407935;1455676484;mod6;so, no problem. 1407936;1455676495;danielpbarron;i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king 1407937;1455676500;mircea_popescu;well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely. 1407938;1455676550;mod6;but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year. 1407939;1455676595;mod6;further, some make it, most don't. 1407940;1455676618;mircea_popescu;speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1407941;1455676619;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkBeS1 ) 1407942;1455676797;mod6;and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it. 1407943;1455676857;mod6;Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend. 1407944;1455676890;mod6;This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki. 1407945;1455676925;mod6;Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles. 1407946;1455676928;mod6;:] 1407947;1455676949;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403569 << http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions 1407948;1455676949;assbot;Logged on 12-02-2016 14:13:21; polarbeard: works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig 1407949;1455676950;assbot;polarbeard_rm_unused_functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6QcAU ) 1407950;1455677048;phf;(my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week) 1407951;1455677056;mod6;Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted. 1407952;1455677132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00056016 = 14.172 BTC [-] {2} 1407953;1455677171;mircea_popescu;pretty cooo mod6 1407954;1455677211;mircea_popescu;but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on. 1407955;1455677254;mod6;oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing. 1407956;1455677306;phf;maybe press a new genesis with skull&crossbones in comments of header of every file. patch file contents will be identical, but hashes all different 1407957;1455677341;mircea_popescu;aha. 1407958;1455677465;mod6;i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and 1407959;1455677471;mod6;then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow 1407960;1455677480;mod6;heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while. 1407961;1455677536;mod6;that maybe a horrible idea. lol. 1407962;1455677546;mod6;anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing. 1407963;1455677562;mircea_popescu;why not use the current comment symbol ? 1407964;1455677574;mircea_popescu;b ut no, you do not wish to introduce state. 1407965;1455677591;mod6;yah, see. not well thought out mod6. 1407966;1455677607;mircea_popescu;different genesis makes different tree, it's all there. 1407967;1455677608;mod6;ima think about it though, probably try some different things. 1407968;1455677870;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ben Carson will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b13 1407969;1455678047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85350 @ 0.00056981 = 48.6333 BTC [+] {4} 1407970;1455678161;mod6;;;bc,stats 1407971;1455678164;gribble;Current Blocks: 398779 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 388 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1407972;1455678229;shinohai;Node Height: 317516 (79.6%) 1407973;1455678257;mod6;how's that rollin along for ya? 1407974;1455678299;shinohai;good so far, got stuck a bit earlier, restarted node unclogged. 1407975;1455678962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57165 @ 0.00057025 = 32.5983 BTC [+] {2} 1407976;1455679389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76150 @ 0.00055961 = 42.6143 BTC [-] {4} 1407977;1455679554;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html 1407978;1455679555;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL ) 1407979;1455679609;shinohai;^ will do first thing in the a.m. 1407980;1455679630;mod6;np, gonna give an additional step here in a sec. 1407981;1455679802;mod6;so what would be great here, is if you apply the patch, or use the v.pl attached to the email (check the sigs ofc), then start clean, do a fresh `./v.pl i http://thebitcoin.foundation`, and then press out the entire tree, `./v.pl p v v054 asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch`, then `cd v054` and run that find command at the top of this pastehttp://dpaste.com/2SQ1VZ7.txt 1407982;1455679836;mod6;You should end up with the exact same sha512 hashes as listed in the paste. Let me know, either way. 1407983;1455679846;mod6;Thanks in advance everyone. Salud! 1407984;1455680302;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ? << I'd need more context on the details motivating the dismissal 1407985;1455680304;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqytTC ) 1407986;1455680545;phf;pocorgtfo http://btcbase.org/patches/experimental-genesis 1407987;1455680604;phf;mod6 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ 1407988;1455680611;phf;source patched with http://paste.lisp.org/display/307448, run with a folder as argument and it'll prepend a header based on some conditions (rtfs) to all files 1407989;1455680612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnj3QK ) 1407990;1455680655;mircea_popescu;nb. 1407991;1455680679;asciilifeform;neato! 1407992;1455680771;mircea_popescu;in celebratory news, bottoms up! http://41.media.tumblr.com/67c3aa7312c56f9a487262b68d9c2086/tumblr_nifno7D83G1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1407993;1455680772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGvqdL ) 1407994;1455680916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141200 @ 0.00055952 = 79.0042 BTC [-] {3} 1407995;1455680917;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/699706718419345408 1407996;1455681021;mod6;phf: cool 1407997;1455681343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.0005591 = 37.5715 BTC [-] {2} 1407998;1455681648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00057062 = 10.6706 BTC [+] {3} 1407999;1455681771;BingoBoingo;In other news when I was at the store today acquired 1lb carbon zinc battery for great justice 1408000;1455681842;BingoBoingo;Not sure if exactly one pound, but given it's heft that's what it feels like. 1408001;1455681905;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where do these go ? 1408002;1455681927;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: for great justice 1408003;1455681966;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, 6v "floating lantern" to toss into trunk of car and hopefully forget for 3 years until it needs replacement 1408004;1455682011;asciilifeform;why not cranked lantern? 1408005;1455682052;mircea_popescu;this fucking climate is beyond comprehension. IT GETS LOTS WARMER AFTER THE SUN SETS. 1408006;1455682052;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because if I need lantern light I'm probably going to need enough light to illuminate active worksite 1408007;1455682063;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is 1 am 5 degrees above 1pm ? 1408008;1455682173;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Welcome to my world. Several days last week high of the day was immediately before sunrise. 1408009;1455682205;mircea_popescu;is it some weird like "during day air moves off river, but at night direction change, hot air moves from plain towards river" or somesuch ? 1408010;1455682250;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Precise monster zinc carbon went into is "everready dolphin" which walmart had on clearance, for same price as blue pogo which has moved still further down. 1408011;1455682275;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Here it's "so much plains air moves with impunity" 1408012;1455683243;deedbot-;[Qntra] Western Constitutional Hero Denied 8th Amendment Right To Make Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/02/western-constitutional-hero-denied-8th-amendment-right-to-make-bail/ 1408013;1455683415;BingoBoingo;^ Far more interesting that Barret Brown likely going stoolie 1408014;1455683722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122017 @ 0.00055917 = 68.2282 BTC [-] {5} 1408015;1455683783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36633 @ 0.00055439 = 20.309 BTC [-] 1408016;1455683866;mircea_popescu;whossat again ? 1408017;1455684184;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Barret Brown was "Anonymous" namefag journalist. 1408018;1455684875;punkman;still not sold on the dual genesis, but if the foundation moves forward with this model, I suggest the new genesis is the release/production/stable branch and the existing genesis the experimental one. 1408019;1455685308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45418 @ 0.00057106 = 25.9364 BTC [+] {3} 1408020;1455685854;mircea_popescu;davout http://dpaste.com/0D9T5ZR 1408021;1455685855;assbot;dpaste: 0D9T5ZR ... ( http://bit.ly/20YuNiE ) 1408022;1455685892;mircea_popescu;punkman you think ? 1408023;1455685916;punkman;mircea_popescu: makes more sense, lots of experimentals in existing genesis 1408024;1455685992;mircea_popescu;not afaik. like what ? 1408025;1455686092;punkman;shiva for one, my patches, polarbeard's patches 1408026;1455686097;mircea_popescu;shiva is not in. 1408027;1455686108;punkman;in what? 1408028;1455686114;mircea_popescu;in the tree. 1408029;1455686139;mircea_popescu;or wait, did alf rebase it ? 1408030;1455686164;mircea_popescu;i recall it had its own genesis. 1408031;1455686183;punkman;the tinyscheme stands alone but there;s also 2-3 other patches related to it that touch trb 1408032;1455686197;mircea_popescu;what do you mean by touch ? 1408033;1455686331;punkman;like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48 1408034;1455686332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF7pT ) 1408035;1455686379;mircea_popescu;now how do i go from that to phf's nice tree thing ? 1408036;1455686476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 1408037;1455686477;assbot;asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfFe4G ) 1408038;1455686498;mircea_popescu;yeah he rebased it didn't he. i c. 1408039;1455686501;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407796 << this might seem odd to you because you never (presumably) cared about the signal that an honours degree sent to potential employers. ie. the type who sort resumes by "has degree, doesn't. has honours, doesn't." which'd mostly be gov, so... it depends. 1408040;1455686501;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 00:49:56; *: mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers. 1408041;1455686532;mircea_popescu;punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world 1408042;1455686568;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski much larger fish than usual in a very tiny pond. what employers. crony capitalism ftw. 1408043;1455686611;mircea_popescu;i dun think there exists even today the romanian speaker who a) is competent in the sense contemplated here and b) actually applies for a job, any job. 1408044;1455686618;pete_dushenski;right, so bring on the best of the best of the nastiest of the crudest of the shrewdest teachers :) 1408045;1455686618;mircea_popescu;there's not even space for head hunters, people just know. 1408046;1455686635;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree? 1408047;1455686665;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo a signed path through it. 1408048;1455686703;BingoBoingo;Sure 1408049;1455686704;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: was there not status in working for 'foreign' firm ? did these not have interview/application processes ? 1408050;1455686733;mircea_popescu;these jobs sucked, because foreign firm without exception tried to pay local salaries and demand foreign work. 1408051;1455686741;mircea_popescu;much better deal to actually work in their home location. 1408052;1455686747;mircea_popescu;some people did that. 1408053;1455686786;punkman;a sidenote that came to mind looking at phf's lisp snippet: adding comments to everything for release patches (and alt-genesis) doesn't work so great if you have non-plaintext files. not a problem for trb as it is, but perhaps something to keep in mind. 1408054;1455686795;mircea_popescu; but no, by and large there was no status there. for middling derps, yes. but not otherwise. 1408055;1455686870;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ok. so guy wants to improve his station by moving abroad to work for multinational. and he doesn't apply for this job by mailing a few pieces of paper with letters on them, but more importantly with ~numbers~ on them, lending clear incentive to find easy > great teacher in uni ? 1408056;1455686881;mircea_popescu;the occasional exception being local lion backed by foreign capital, resulting in things like say protv. but very much exceptional, and only capable of existing in specific niches. also, temporary things. 1408057;1455686896;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ro schooling isn't going to impress anyway. 1408058;1455686906;mircea_popescu;though arguably it should, but that's another discussion. 1408059;1455686929;pete_dushenski;quite. 1408060;1455686976;mircea_popescu;for instance, i took rhetorics with the worlds best rhetorics teacher, no doubt about it. she gave me an 80%, which was by far my lowest mark that year, but then again a good 20% over the next best in the 800 strong year. 1408061;1455686983;punkman;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree? << a release is a vpatch that adds a comment to every single file. or at least that was the plan. 1408062;1455686994;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... who the fuck exactly knows who elena dragos is. 1408063;1455687003;pete_dushenski;now, the logs. 1408064;1455687010;mircea_popescu;punkman the important point there is that mod6 signs it. 1408065;1455687116;mircea_popescu;the girls especially loathed her. 1408066;1455687162;pete_dushenski;because no special treatment ? no soft pandering to their fee-fees ? 1408067;1455687189;mircea_popescu;eh who even knows. 1408068;1455687199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24505 @ 0.00056544 = 13.8561 BTC [-] {2} 1408069;1455687199;mircea_popescu;prolly something like that. 1408070;1455687215;phf;punkman: is comments in code still the plan? that seems to suffer from similar issues as experimental branch 1408071;1455687650;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407940 << /me clicks excitedly! finds what appears to be toyota 'egg' van and two not particularly eager-looking sluts, which was a bit of a let down. 1408072;1455687650;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 02:36:58; mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1408073;1455687687;pete_dushenski;but i guess there can't be ~that~ many pics of abdullah pounding white poon in the back of his open-air 600 landaulet 1408074;1455687698;pete_dushenski;at least not on tumblr 1408075;1455688089;mircea_popescu;lol 1408076;1455688198;punkman;phf, seems so. my initial suggestion was releases as patch sequence files, but I don't think anyone liked this idea. My vtron does .seq files with "foo.vpatch \t sha512(foo.vpatch) \n" inside, which works for my blobby vtronized things. 1408077;1455688808;pete_dushenski;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-politics-tech-idUSKCN0VP2TJ << the x of y finally comes to bitcoin in 2016. 1408078;1455688809;assbot;Flux Party seeks to be the bitcoin of Australian politics| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVHdQX ) 1408079;1455688829;pete_dushenski;"like the uber of toilet paper!" 1408080;1455688844;pete_dushenski;"the facebook of buttsex!" 1408081;1455688866;pete_dushenski;"the tesla of television!" 1408082;1455689006;pete_dushenski;in related news, https://49.media.tumblr.com/aa87a865abcffd7bf9667a05c79bce78/tumblr_o2nlbskSfq1qg51mgo1_400.gif 1408083;1455689007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qp8Z ) 1408084;1455689104;pete_dushenski;and unrelated news that i wish were related https://49.media.tumblr.com/dfeb8d3d74d56b42e20a03c0b18adc87/tumblr_o0pri49FVK1v0wc8oo2_400.gif 1408085;1455689105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qqK7 ) 1408086;1455689364;punkman;"the Indiana Jones of exploring crotch", "the Shakespeare of enormous cock" 1408087;1455689509;pete_dushenski;it's not polite to talk about how hung will s. was. it'd be like asking him how much he's paid. 1408088;1455689750;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/hydroxocobalamin-turning-cyanide-into-vitamin-b12/ 1408089;1455689751;assbot;Hydroxocobalamin: Turning Cyanide into Vitamin B12 - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qRE6 ) 1408090;1455690221;pete_dushenski;https://45.media.tumblr.com/5324017569c091d792f9dd15ae4451c0/tumblr_o2ioiyS3E31tyncywo1_500.gif << hurr durr 1408091;1455690222;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVHQtZ ) 1408092;1455690493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00056946 = 23.5187 BTC [+] {2} 1408093;1455691774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35548 @ 0.00056946 = 20.2432 BTC [+] 1408094;1455691957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51822 @ 0.00057091 = 29.5857 BTC [+] {3} 1408095;1455692096;punkman;http://www.tuxedocomputers.com/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/10-14-Zoll/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-13-3-matt-Full-HD-IPS-Aluminiumgehaeuse-Intel-Core-i7-Energiespar-CPU-zwei-HDD/SSD-bis-16GB-RAM-bis-15h-Akku-Slim-Book.geek 1408096;1455692097;assbot;TUXEDO InfinityBook - 13,3 Zoll matt Full-HD IPS + Aluminiumgehäuse + Intel Core i7 Energiespar-CPU + zwei HDD/SSD + bis 16GB RAM + bis 15h Akku + Slim-Book ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRJsI9 ) 1408097;1455692132;punkman;pity it doesn't have a better screen 1408098;1455693360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116326 @ 0.00057122 = 66.4477 BTC [+] {4} 1408099;1455694397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16391 @ 0.0005676 = 9.3035 BTC [-] {2} 1408100;1455694458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00056544 = 5.2071 BTC [-] 1408101;1455696698;phf;i added simple hash navigation to btcbase 1408102;1455696776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50435 @ 0.00057139 = 28.8181 BTC [+] {4} 1408103;1455696808;phf;can click on a hash from patch display and get a list of producers and consumers, like http://btcbase.org/hash/BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D 1408104;1455696809;assbot;patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv ) 1408105;1455696917;phf;multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree 1408106;1455697071;phf;which makes me wonder about some of the patches and how to do conflict resolution, for example http://btcbase.org/hash/BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D all patch wallet.cpp towards a divergent state 1408107;1455697072;assbot;patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv ) 1408108;1455697105;phf;erm, that was supposed to be two different urls.. 1408109;1455697508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55355 @ 0.00056544 = 31.2999 BTC [-] {2} 1408110;1455697569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00056211 = 19.4743 BTC [-] {2} 1408111;1455697719;punkman;phf: how to do conflict resolution << just let the user pick one of the conflicting branches 1408112;1455698179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00057144 = 22.0004 BTC [+] 1408113;1455699580;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/16/medical-marijuana-dispensaries-california-tax-cash-only 1408114;1455699581;assbot;Cash-only marijuana dispensaries flood California tax office with paper | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaMub ) 1408115;1455699743;punkman;https://claims.mtgox.com/assets/index.html 1408116;1455699743;assbot;MTGOX 破産債権届出システム／MTGOX bankruptcy claims filing system ... ( http://bit.ly/1onXZ0Q ) 1408117;1455699872;punkman;"The trustee has approved part of the filed claims. At this time those who have filed "BTC-only claim" will know whether it is approved. Other approvals are still on hold.." 1408118;1455700741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00055847 = 36.4122 BTC [-] {4} 1408119;1455701534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36879 @ 0.00055711 = 20.5457 BTC [-] {2} 1408120;1455702170;davout;ohai 1408121;1455702198;davout;looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday 1408122;1455702205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69474 @ 0.0005562 = 38.6414 BTC [-] 1408123;1455702369;davout;hrm, maybe it's just me missing some bits in my head 1408124;1455703303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00055532 = 34.7908 BTC [-] {3} 1408125;1455703547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00055421 = 11.9709 BTC [-] {2} 1408126;1455703677;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbXbuGzUsAESSVf.jpg:large 1408127;1455703678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7j6kt ) 1408128;1455704414;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0MQ96JH.txt 1408129;1455704415;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7jzTP ) 1408130;1455704432;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR February 17th 2016 statement - http://fr.anco.is/2016/x-eur-february-17th-2016-statement/ 1408131;1455704444;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1408132;1455705621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16816 @ 0.0005562 = 9.3531 BTC [+] 1408133;1455706231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3284 @ 0.00056459 = 1.8541 BTC [+] 1408134;1455707878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24873 @ 0.00055419 = 13.7844 BTC [-] 1408135;1455708915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00056528 = 20.8023 BTC [+] {3} 1408136;1455711782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00055981 = 38.7948 BTC [-] 1408137;1455712209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00055981 = 10.1606 BTC [-] 1408138;1455712270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00055846 = 31.8322 BTC [-] 1408139;1455713368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71803 @ 0.00055395 = 39.7753 BTC [-] {2} 1408140;1455713649;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408030 << it had own genesis to establish pedigree with the historic tinyscheme. but shiva is a patch that bridges it into the trb tree. and yes i rebased it, it works with the current trb. 1408141;1455713649;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 05:16:04; mircea_popescu: i recall it had its own genesis. 1408142;1455713750;asciilifeform;part1 is the bridge. part2 is the only place where trb per se is touched, where the hooks are inserted. 1408143;1455713773;asciilifeform;the split was carefully deliberate. 1408144;1455714039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104400 @ 0.00055336 = 57.7708 BTC [-] {3} 1408145;1455714098;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408095 << what is this crud - x86, and i7 no less, the one with the hidden nsa core, wtf, if i wanted this, could walk into any shop on the planet and buy. 1408146;1455714098;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 06:54:56; punkman: http://www.tuxedocomputers.com/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/10-14-Zoll/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-13-3-matt-Full-HD-IPS-Aluminiumgehaeuse-Intel-Core-i7-Energiespar-CPU-zwei-HDD/SSD-bis-16GB-RAM-bis-15h-Akku-Slim-Book.geek 1408147;1455714100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00055559 = 1.1945 BTC [+] 1408148;1455714588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00055799 = 14.5914 BTC [+] 1408149;1455715297;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ? 1408150;1455715297;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 05:21:16; mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 1408151;1455715308;asciilifeform;phf ^ ? 1408152;1455715442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00056701 = 17.6907 BTC [+] 1408153;1455716148;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves. 1408154;1455716148;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 21:57:41; BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt. 1408155;1455717669;jurov;[Note] -barjavel.freenode.net- Server Terminating. Received SIGTERM << some heavy admining, huh 1408156;1455717706;shinohai;been going on a few hours 1408157;1455717762;PeterL;anybody interested in buying the longshot position of yes on carson? https://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b4 1408158;1455717763;assbot;BitBet - Ben Carson will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.13 B (4%) on Yes, 3.39 B (96%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 27`086 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQuQ5F ) 1408159;1455717825;jurov;davout, nice statement but the bot is mia again. some people depend on x.eur to run their racket^W serious business!!! 1408160;1455717926;jurov;Namely, my offer to exchange EUR->X.EUR with fixed 2% fee to wot members in good standing using sepa or transferwise stands. 1408161;1455717961;jurov;Looking at you, USians who don't want to feed coinbase and their ilk. 1408162;1455717994;jurov;!up Guest91786 1408163;1455718009;jurov;hi guest 1408164;1455718076;davout;jurov: fixxor'd 1408165;1455718112;jurov;yup 1408166;1455718198;jurov;davout actually transferwise should work for you fine, too. except that iirc you require funding from own accounts and twise sends sepa transfers from estonia instead 1408167;1455718328;davout;jurov: re usians, our new fiat financial partner tells us we accept customers from pretty much all countries now 1408168;1455718351;jurov;did they tell you how much usians pay to wire funds to you? 1408169;1455718351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408105 << epic. 1408170;1455718351;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 08:15:17; phf: multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree 1408171;1455718355;davout;s/we accept/we can accept/ 1408172;1455718381;mircea_popescu;jurov i don't think by now any usian is without eu banking. 1408173;1455718390;mircea_popescu;there's simply no banking to be had in the us. 1408174;1455718410;davout;jurov: no idea 1408175;1455718412;mircea_popescu;(no i don't mean redditards, i mean people with jobs, jerry! and secretatries.) 1408176;1455718416;jurov;i am not speaking of usians with own dirigibles here 1408177;1455718418;mircea_popescu;davout bout $100 1408178;1455718426;jurov;^ 1408179;1455718464;davout;i'd guess more around 20~30 €, i'll ask around 1408180;1455718522;mircea_popescu;and the monetary cost is nothing, us banks are incredibly parochially retarded, will pretend like they can send wires, but then don't. 1408181;1455718533;mircea_popescu;it's a huge hassle for us people do do business. 1408182;1455718573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408121 << which ?! 1408183;1455718573;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 09:43:18; davout: looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday 1408184;1455718595;davout;twas just my client being derpy 1408185;1455718608;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408126 << you know that's almost exactly what i mean by "built like a boy" 1408186;1455718608;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 10:07:57; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbXbuGzUsAESSVf.jpg:large 1408187;1455718659;davout;not too often that i can say "a boy i'd fuck" 1408188;1455718671;mircea_popescu;me either! 1408189;1455718683;mircea_popescu;but apparently with age this comes also. 1408190;1455718733;jurov;TIL 1408191;1455718746;davout;so apparently fees on non-sepa wires are 'complicated' and may or may not depend on the the original fee setting request (OUR, SHA, BEN if memory serves), and on possible currency conversion fees on either end 1408192;1455718755;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408153 << you know, i don't salt my food. i merely add chlorine and sprinkle some sodium on top. 1408193;1455718755;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 13:35:48; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves. 1408194;1455718767;mircea_popescu;davout aha. 1408195;1455718792;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you , advise us partners to either a) get an eu entity incorporated and use that or b) be less poor, as applicable. 1408196;1455718850;mircea_popescu;the upfront cost of attempting to do business as a us subject far exceeds any possibility of gain no matter how fantasmagorically distant. 1408197;1455718928;mircea_popescu;it's basically a soviet country, just like the russians were. unlike the other soviet union, however, it doesn't fucking know this, goes to bed every night collectively imagining that "start-ups" as implemented there are actual business ; and "stars" as implemented there are examples of successful people. it's really quite amusing. 1408198;1455719031;davout;either way i'll ask the question a bit more formally, and ask about outgoing non-sepa wires too could be useful since i don't plan on ever becoming a victim of my own success 1408199;1455719116;mircea_popescu;i dunno how you feel about arab girls, but a trip to bahrein is in order. 1408200;1455719184;mircea_popescu;and in other banking news, here's an illustration of empowered, liberated us feminist getting herself a new credit card - http://40.media.tumblr.com/726408e24ac80c2ae491becd304a82e0/tumblr_nia2tnRBnB1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1408201;1455719185;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQxtEB ) 1408202;1455719210;jurov;davout try formulating the question for lulz "us clients complained about fees, what do you recommend to them" 1408203;1455719303;davout;lulzier if it's just "can you give me an exhaustive list of your currently active fees?" 1408204;1455719485;jurov;heh that won't really work (our fees are $x, add to that $random on the murican side) 1408205;1455719557;davout;i'd be very happy with such an answer, i could simply display "Fees on our end are $x, see with your bank for fees on your side" 1408206;1455719561;davout;kinda how bitcoin works 1408207;1455719586;mircea_popescu;not what consumers have come to expect. 1408208;1455719596;davout;bitcoin deposits are free + bring-your-own network fee 1408209;1455719625;mircea_popescu;now this is true. 1408210;1455719685;davout;"not what consumers have come to expect." <<< child pays for parent may one day be a thing 1408211;1455719717;PeterL;isn't that why you have children, so they can support you when you are old? 1408212;1455719737;mircea_popescu;depends where. in kandahar, maybe. 1408213;1455719750;mircea_popescu;you can't seriously contemplate this applies in the us ? 1408214;1455719773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00056595 = 9.7909 BTC [-] 1408215;1455719774;PeterL;what, you expect government to be able to support your retirement? 1408216;1455719792;PeterL;one has to prepare for the future somehow 1408217;1455719807;mircea_popescu;yes. by moving out of the us. 1408218;1455719810;mircea_popescu;what else ?! 1408219;1455719895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50645 @ 0.00056827 = 28.78 BTC [+] {3} 1408220;1455719895;PeterL;I have decided to stay here, so I will just have to deal with that decision 1408221;1455719942;mircea_popescu;consider this simple point : so i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave to us kid, for $sum. how can he pay ? he can't. he has no money, the usual way he pays for things (begs daddy-government's agent, called "bank" for absolutely no reason much like fast-food is unrelated to food, being a species of engine oil) does not work for this purpose. what's left ? we just discussed how he can not do 1408222;1455719943;mircea_popescu; any business or in any way EARN any money. 1408223;1455719965;mircea_popescu;now replace "i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave" with "any discretionary expense" and you've got a pretty accurate picture. 1408224;1455719985;mircea_popescu;even if he WANTED to, your kid will not be able to support you ; chiefly because he can not have nor can he acquire any money or property. 1408225;1455720011;mircea_popescu;and yes, this was EXACTLY the situation throughout the 2nd half of the 20th century in russia & friends. 1408226;1455720038;PeterL;and it is different in other parts of the world? 1408227;1455720054;mircea_popescu;this is an open question. specify some parts ? 1408228;1455720070;PeterL;do you know any part which are different? 1408229;1455720117;mircea_popescu;this is a complicated question. if your kid is smart, such that all he needs to make money is for bitcoin to exist, then most of the world fits the bill, because all he really needs is weak local government. 1408230;1455720124;PeterL;I could go back to my ancestral homeland, but I hear England sucks more than US now 1408231;1455720133;mircea_popescu;if your kid is not smart, but merely autistic, then some hope may exist - but probably in china 1408232;1455720153;mircea_popescu;(for the record, most autistic children misrepresent themselves as smart, and actual smart children as some sort of chtonic horror/chtulhu) 1408233;1455720180;mircea_popescu;yeah, england's not really on the map, unless you wish to join the arab footsoldiers and rape fat ugly chicks for the next decade. 1408234;1455720532;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/PBnAnZw.png 1408235;1455720533;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20Z8Tfc ) 1408236;1455720989;mircea_popescu;shinohai moslty manufactured by the us "embargo on russia". which so totally hurt putin o noes. 1408237;1455721011;mircea_popescu;yet the canadians aren't swarming across the border to fucking burn down the dangerous rogue state next door. 1408238;1455721109;shinohai;lol 1408239;1455721151;mircea_popescu;no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?" 1408240;1455721217;PeterL;Who is going to be the first country that openly spurns the US? 1408241;1455721223;mircea_popescu;so far, positive action produced pretty much the least competent us president to date, a few notches below even jefferson davies (and actually very similar in style, too!) who just happens to be a black man. 1408242;1455721244;mircea_popescu;im sure it's ever so glorious being black and having these idiots for "supporters". with such help you really don't need any enemies. 1408243;1455721266;mircea_popescu;PeterL you mean other than pretty much every one there ? from argentina to saudi arabia, take your pick ? 1408244;1455721358;mircea_popescu;and even the retarded canadians... "us posturing precipitated a trade war that just ENDED canada as an industrial nation. wat do ?" 1408245;1455721381;mircea_popescu;"obviously, pretend like nobody could have predicted" "a totally, solid plan mate!" 1408246;1455721503;PeterL;The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything 1408247;1455721506;mircea_popescu;retarded euros on the other hand... "us posturing precipitated an immigration influx that we reallty can't support. wat do ?" "i dunno, but try to not notice that the us-provided security costs a degree or two of magnitude more than the worst possible case would be without them around" 1408248;1455721542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44434 @ 0.00056053 = 24.9066 BTC [-] 1408249;1455721563;mircea_popescu;obviously, europe enjoys getting fucked, after so many years of not getting any. but still... money is money. sending washington the bill for the 10mn arabs ? 1408250;1455721594;mircea_popescu;last i heard germany only wanted 5k a head, so it should come out to maybe 50bn or so, not the end of the world 1408251;1455721606;mircea_popescu;(plus wire fees, of course. OUR.) 1408252;1455721916;davout;lol 1408253;1455721975;mircea_popescu;davout laugh all you want, but you know zee germans are counting those bn against their eu contributions yes ? 1408254;1455721990;mircea_popescu;french farmers that depend on eu money, which is to say french farmers, may not be so amused. 1408255;1455721991;davout;would make sense 1408256;1455722110;mircea_popescu;and to think that if only they had the fucking common sense to allow turkey in (like mp said, back in the day, but hey, why listen to mp when you got politicians et all) would have not only prevented this, but made the whole effort productive instread of merely defensive. 1408257;1455722152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00056875 = 15.9819 BTC [+] 1408258;1455722231;mircea_popescu;PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it. 1408259;1455722255;mircea_popescu;most of what the komintern practically did was allow a ready way for people outside of russia to get rid of their inconvenient opponents. 1408260;1455722371;PeterL;I guess my question is: will other countries actively attack the US? 1408261;1455722386;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder to see it at work, too : consider the case of ross ulbricht. amply retarded kid, did pretty much every stupid thing in the book. yet because he was indicted by the us-komintern, he still has A LOT molre support than would be warranted on the face of things. 1408262;1455722419;mircea_popescu;PeterL attacks are driven by value. if/when someone finds a way to explot it, it will be. so far, it's made relatively safe by its sheer uselessness. which measns that like africa, it will HAVE TO stay dumb to survive. 1408263;1455722427;mircea_popescu;which is what i expect to see. 1408264;1455722471;mircea_popescu;note that the few people who actually do atm derive value from it, the mexican narcos, do not bother to replace the federal government, just route around it. 1408265;1455722485;mircea_popescu;because it is in fact cheaper to do this than undertake the expense to administer it. 1408266;1455722575;mircea_popescu;(and no, the notion that the usg has any say in this is preposterous - if the mexican narcos decided to take over, they would take over, and no us president would even deign to EVEN NOTICE that "hey, at some point in the recent past the border was on the river".) 1408267;1455722747;mircea_popescu;but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days. 1408268;1455722770;mircea_popescu;what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ? 1408269;1455722850;PeterL;lots of farm land, mineral resources, space in which to operate factories 1408270;1455722851;mircea_popescu;and yes, i am aware that you're thinking you're decent people, and your friends idem, and you'll toil and labour and this can't all be to waste. the thing you're not aware of is that i have friends like that in say togo. ever heard of togo ? and had friends like that in lebanon years ago, and so on. 1408271;1455722897;mircea_popescu;PeterL hey, sounds exactly like argentina! tough market. 1408272;1455722920;PeterL;seems to me there is lots of resources here that other people may want to control? 1408273;1455722953;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1408274;1455722980;PeterL;pounds of lard (roughly $USPOP * 300) 1408275;1455722993;mircea_popescu;tough market, you see. 1408276;1455722996;mircea_popescu;who the fuck buys lard. 1408277;1455723020;PeterL;well, the other stuff. lard was joke 1408278;1455723494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.0005693 = 20.0963 BTC [+] {2} 1408279;1455723657;jurov;!t m s.qntr 1408280;1455723658;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.000476 / 0.0004795 / 0.0004796 (38450 shares, 18.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00039598 / 0.00042659 / 0.0004796 (171352 shares, 73.10 BTC), 30D: 0.00024 / 0.00041828 / 0.0004796 (180994 shares, 75.71 BTC) 1408281;1455723662;jurov;O.o 1408282;1455723832;mircea_popescu;wowza. 1408283;1455723900;mircea_popescu;!up Reydevkiwi 1408284;1455723918;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408149 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407950 1408285;1455723918;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 13:21:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ? 1408286;1455723918;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 02:44:08; phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week) 1408287;1455724151;asciilifeform;phf: i see the rationale, but you keeping these on www right alongside the working versions, is quite certain to confuse folks. 1408288;1455724164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, for instance, appears to have mistook it for the current ver 1408289;1455724181;mircea_popescu;i had, because i expected the thing to work in terms of straight url substitution. 1408290;1455724190;mircea_popescu;ie, if patch on ml is X, patch on base is X 1408291;1455724210;asciilifeform;v doesn't do substitutions. 1408292;1455724218;asciilifeform;hand-cranked gardens like mod6's - might 1408293;1455724246;mircea_popescu;myeah 1408294;1455724255;mircea_popescu;i've been thinking about this ever since then 1408295;1455724265;phf;mircea_popescu: there's another patch there that's named differently that does same thing 1408296;1455724273;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1408297;1455724304;asciilifeform;the only thing v does without cranking is to accurately represent longest-chain-signed-by-these-here-folks 1408298;1455724335;asciilifeform;this is not only deliberate but is implicit in the very idea. 1408299;1455724510;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408239 << ru getting up off its knees and spitting out the 1990s cock it swallowed during eltsin, would have happened anyway. simply happened to land on obamitler's desk 1408300;1455724510;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 14:59:11; mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?" 1408301;1455724521;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra! 1408302;1455724521;assbot;S.QNTR last 37450@0.00047960 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQHz8r ) 1408303;1455724531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80911 @ 0.00055927 = 45.2511 BTC [-] {2} 1408304;1455724532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform russia is a minor player. 1408305;1455724553;mircea_popescu;better aligned than the us, tis true, but still a minor player. 1408306;1455724567;asciilifeform;the brzezinski are not concerned with it because it is an economic giant (such as, e.g., cn) 1408307;1455724584;Reydevkiwi;http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ 1408308;1455724584;assbot;Customer Letter - Apple ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQHKk9 ) 1408309;1455724584;asciilifeform;but because the most terrifying thing, to the rotten west, is a viable alternate civ. 1408310;1455724606;asciilifeform;^ l0l crapple playing 'good cop' 1408311;1455724613;mircea_popescu;i'm vaguely unsure if it can be called a civ or not. 1408312;1455724621;asciilifeform;saw this in the fishwrap this morning and ignored. 1408313;1455724623;mircea_popescu;care to argue it for me ? 1408314;1455724651;Reydevkiwi;just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this 1408315;1455724712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's try an easier case, e.g., japan 1408316;1455724716;asciilifeform;civ ? 1408317;1455724726;phf;(so to wrap up previous thread, patches will remain, until clicking any patch in that graph produces a press, ideally clicking on one of the patches from mod6 release should produce press identical to mod6's press even in the presence of conflicting patches. i'll solve this problem sometime this week) 1408318;1455724737;mircea_popescu;yes. 1408319;1455724757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then ru likewise. and with similar caveats. 1408320;1455724771;mircea_popescu;sounds good phf. ftr i dun think there was anything wrong with your thing per se. broke an assumption i made that i still don't well understanbd, so... it counts as a positive. 1408321;1455724775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22189 @ 0.0005564 = 12.346 BTC [-] 1408322;1455724778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform teh point is made. 1408323;1455724897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00057065 = 28.8464 BTC [+] {3} 1408324;1455724898;mircea_popescu;now, your earlier point notwithstanding, bahamas is still an ineptitude record-setting president, on the level of j. davis. tis not ~by~ the adversity he encounters that you know a man, but IN. 1408325;1455724900;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408258 << on the other hand, the only reason usa has any spending money at all is the international copyrasty treaty system. if it falls apart, game over. instantly. 1408326;1455724900;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:17:11; mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it. 1408327;1455724938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would propose this is not so, nobody actually PAYS the us for ip. merely subsidiaries repatriate capital under that guise. 1408328;1455724950;asciilifeform;cn is paying for motherfucking arm cpu license. 1408329;1455724951;mircea_popescu;no, it's the tendency of people to abuse the usd as a temporary replacement for btc, until btc was devised. 1408330;1455724958;mircea_popescu;that's what's propping the whole charade, and well... 1408331;1455724977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform international trade is particularly complex and famously confusing. 1408332;1455724994;asciilifeform;copyrasty is pretty simple to understand. all of the money flows into usa. tribute. 1408333;1455725009;mircea_popescu;let me give you an example : when i was 16, i was paying rent for a place i practically never used, to a married mother of two. who took it in all the holes like a champ, twice a week. 1408334;1455725025;mircea_popescu;for me, it was way the fuck cheaper than to pay the woman for her work. for her, it was an excellent alibi. 1408335;1455725033;mircea_popescu;who's paying who and for what ? 1408336;1455725042;mircea_popescu;tribute ? rly ? 1408337;1455725113;asciilifeform;the answer, as far as i can see, is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball. 1408338;1455725150;mircea_popescu;you should study histopathology more. 1408339;1455725160;asciilifeform;hm? 1408340;1455725163;mircea_popescu;actually i have nfi why it's not required study for syustems people. 1408341;1455725196;asciilifeform;actually my first paying job involved gnarly particulars of immune response 1408342;1455725199;asciilifeform;lulzily. 1408343;1455725204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's just... you have no ready model for this particular thing, in your head. it's showing. tissue decays and reacts to its decay in particular manners, which are pointedly not arbitrary. 1408344;1455725206;asciilifeform;but how's this play in 1408345;1455725231;asciilifeform;actually i have a very clear model of how orcs relate to humans 1408346;1455725237;mircea_popescu;and there's sure as heck no "life power" behind it all, which amusingly is your go-to answer whenever complexity overwhelms. 1408347;1455725290;asciilifeform;~now~ i'm lost 1408348;1455725299;asciilifeform;wtfwut? 1408349;1455725314;mircea_popescu;" is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball." << if we were discussing a tissue sample, this would directly map to "god's life force prevails" 1408350;1455725410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is telling me that orc chieftains no longer send their children as hostages to the humans ? 1408351;1455725425;mircea_popescu;let me quote for your benefit, a second. 1408352;1455725425;asciilifeform;no longer plan their whole lives with an eye towards retiring in palo alto ? 1408353;1455725465;mircea_popescu;http://en.yibada.com/articles/95731/20151217/british-court-clears-saudi-millionaire-who-claims-he-tripped-fell-on-teen-accusing-him-of-rape.htm 1408354;1455725466;assbot;British Court Clears Saudi Millionaire Who Claims He Tripped & Fell On Teen Accusing Him Of Rape : News : Yibada ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQJycM ) 1408355;1455725473;mircea_popescu;does this sound like much of a hostage to you ? 1408356;1455725500;asciilifeform;saudis had the west, within certain limits, by the balls since '70s 1408357;1455725511;mircea_popescu;your theory doesn't stand. 1408358;1455725533;mircea_popescu;and nobody i ever met retires to palo alto. have you EVEN SEEN the place ? 1408359;1455725533;asciilifeform;how not ? 1408360;1455725536;phf;(in other apple is dead not so news, i logged into a developer account in hopes of grabbing xcode dmg's direct instead of going through apple store, and oh boy. what used to be a rather spartan list of downloads, docs, resources has turned into "Click your iPhone app into Apple Store! Anyone can do it!" complete with giant banners of hip womens holding iphones. where's the docs? where's all the shit? literally the only thing you can do 1408361;1455725536;phf;is renew your $99/yr dev license) 1408362;1455725539;mircea_popescu;it's nothing but rats hoping to make it. 1408363;1455725578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rats orbiting $100M houses of the lottery winners aha 1408364;1455725582;mircea_popescu;phf why the everloving fuck would you pay a license to develop. 1408365;1455725596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1990s lottery winners. 1408366;1455725606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: crapple follows the nintendo model, your thing won't even be considered by the censors unless you hold an account 1408367;1455725606;mircea_popescu;back when there was still hope. 1408368;1455725614;mircea_popescu;by the who ? 1408369;1455725620;asciilifeform;the censors. 1408370;1455725625;asciilifeform;who, you know - sign the binary 1408371;1455725627;mircea_popescu;i dun follow ? 1408372;1455725628;mircea_popescu;what ? 1408373;1455725644;mircea_popescu;oh oh this is about putting stuff in the apple store thing is it. 1408374;1455725646;mircea_popescu;yeah i c. 1408375;1455725652;asciilifeform;on ipnohe, the loader only loads signed bins. and the crapplestore only hosts same. i thought this was well known. 1408376;1455725655;asciilifeform;aha. 1408377;1455725663;mircea_popescu;i'm only very marginally following it. 1408378;1455725673;PeterL;trying to get stuff into walled garden, has to go past gate guards 1408379;1455725674;asciilifeform;when i say 'nintendo' this is what it means. 1408380;1455725681;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you develop for anything but rooted appleware unless apple was paying your salary+benefits is unclear to me. 1408381;1455725684;asciilifeform;the model was pioneered by game console makers. 1408382;1455725691;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lottery 1408383;1455725700;asciilifeform;as per your 'hollywood waitress' article. 1408384;1455725702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it finally nudged my coin so to speak. 1408385;1455725728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i get that part, but i meant you as in phf not you as in look what i found on reddit, even has tits. 1408386;1455725747;jurov;mircea_popescu thinks that extracting coins from the wot is easy? 1408387;1455725755;asciilifeform;iirc ben_vulpes programs for ipnohe. 1408388;1455725757;asciilifeform;all day, every day. 1408389;1455725759;PeterL;if you expect to get rich off $1 sales, you need the garden market, not the few individuals outside it 1408390;1455725767;mircea_popescu;jurov /me thinks that you don't have to pay anything to try. 1408391;1455725801;mircea_popescu;PeterL in other news, eulora sold more game time and made more revenue per game time than pretty much everything in that walled garden. but then again... 1408392;1455725860;jurov;heh eulora.. depends for whom. 1408393;1455725955;mircea_popescu;is this factual btw ? are there more people with unrooted apple-things than rooted ? 1408394;1455725974;mircea_popescu;because it occurs to me - if you really care about alf-considerations re kbd rf, use an ipad. 1408395;1455725976;mats;heh... overheard in palo alto bar shortly after new years: 'so i'm trying to choose between Harvard Law, Stanford Law, and Palantir... what do you think i should do? ;)' 1408396;1455725977;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408268 << same thing as in su - anything from intact copper pipes, to the five specialists who still know how to make neutron tubes for fissile initiators 1408397;1455725977;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:26:10; mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ? 1408398;1455725983;PeterL;I assume so, most iphnoe owners are lazy, right? 1408399;1455725984;jurov;hahahahaha of course majority leaves it unrooted 1408400;1455725989;mircea_popescu;really ? 1408401;1455725992;mircea_popescu;why the fuck ?! 1408402;1455725992;mats;palo alto sucks, can confirm 1408403;1455726004;jurov;even i could not be arsed to mess with moms ipad 1408404;1455726013;jurov;web works, email works, so why root 1408405;1455726015;asciilifeform;mats: sucks for plebe. but have you tried having $1B there ? 1408406;1455726045;PeterL;my grandparents lived in Palo Alto for a while, that is where my dad went to high school (back in the 60's) 1408407;1455726050;mircea_popescu;i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is. 1408408;1455726055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'rooting' ipnohe is complicated. not in the sense of 'how to do it', it is braindamagedly easy. BUT you have to run a multi-MB closed turd. which installs ???????. 1408409;1455726072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explain this have to ? 1408410;1455726084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unless you want to discover your own pwnhole 1408411;1455726087;mircea_popescu;iirc the whole thing was os.\ 1408412;1455726090;asciilifeform;which tends to take a while. 1408413;1455726108;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Marshalls Join Student Debt Collection Racket - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-marshalls-join-student-debt-collection-racket/ 1408414;1455726113;jurov;and there's qntra. phf, say, if you write the why and how of V, you'll surely recoup the $99 several times. 1408415;1455726113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta find exploit in the firmware (typically, the bootloader, if you want the 'rooting' to persist across power cycles) 1408416;1455726181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i admittedly have no clue, but i'd have expected the golden route is to simply replace the blessed chip of blessings with normal item. 1408417;1455726205;jurov;hahahahaha if the damned things could be even sanely opened 1408418;1455726216;PeterL;and you think average joe is going to replace a chip on his expensive phone? 1408419;1455726221;mircea_popescu;jurov it's traditionally hoiw rthis insanity is defeated, dunno 1408420;1455726225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is not a 'normal item' 1408421;1455726234;asciilifeform;there is a massive multi-GB bolus of shit 1408422;1455726251;mircea_popescu;PeterL a) phone is free with carrier bill is it not ? huge incentive - get out of 3k in payments ; b) usually specialist shops do it. 1408423;1455726252;asciilifeform;with metastasis throughout 1408424;1455726261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we are NOT speaking of 'unlocking' 1408425;1455726264;asciilifeform;entirely separate matter 1408426;1455726281;mircea_popescu;well, fwiw i find the conversation very instructive. 1408427;1455726285;asciilifeform;(apple only sells unlocked phones, for some time now) 1408428;1455726294;mircea_popescu;aha 1408429;1455726300;jurov;hahahahaha apple specialists are trained to either replace device or exchange for coupons to newe shinier one 1408430;1455726313;mircea_popescu;jurov not apple-specialist. independent-specialist. 1408431;1455726334;mircea_popescu;speaking of nintendo, i recall a thriving mod chip industree just about the time the bulgarians were taking over cd pressing. 1408432;1455726338;phf;there was a project for os replacements back in 3g days, back when you could still conceivably load your own blob as an os, and expect it to do ~something~ 1408433;1455726347;jurov;have you caught the recent update problems? get non-original part, get bricked on next update 1408434;1455726358;mircea_popescu;jurov seems like a great incentive to take the crap out altogether. 1408435;1455726359;asciilifeform;we were speaking of 'jailbreak' 1408436;1455726363;mircea_popescu;what is this "update" 1408437;1455726363;asciilifeform;entirely separate process 1408438;1455726389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you mean 'take the crap out' 1408439;1455726397;jurov;^ 1408440;1455726400;mircea_popescu;make it be the lousy pentium-2 it was born to be ? 1408441;1455726407;jurov;even capbles have proprietary chips 1408442;1455726412;jurov;*cables 1408443;1455726416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obtain and open an 'ipnohe' 1408444;1455726423;asciilifeform;more instructive than 1,001 lines from me explaining. 1408445;1455726428;jurov;^ 1408446;1455726438;asciilifeform;you will find a SINGLE ic, and a good chunk of the crapolade is in mask rom. 1408447;1455726440;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to. 1408448;1455726442;trinque;at least in android's case there's something of a linux down there you can get to without back-alley surgery 1408449;1455726454;asciilifeform;https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213 << or this 1408450;1455726456;assbot;iPhone 6 Teardown - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql5LFr ) 1408451;1455726468;mircea_popescu;next time babe goes into the bath with her phone in hand, ima look into the damned thing i guess. 1408452;1455726475;asciilifeform;https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/F5NPpFSfDkF5NfPW.huge << the fat one 1408453;1455726476;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql5MsZ ) 1408454;1455726476;*;mircea_popescu clicks 1408455;1455726492;mircea_popescu;is iphone 6 the current ? 1408456;1455726498;asciilifeform;(there is also a nand flash on there, some power supply crud, and the baseband) 1408457;1455726501;asciilifeform;aha. 1408458;1455726544;asciilifeform;the teardown www has chip ids, links. 1408459;1455726560;mircea_popescu;this thing looks basically like laptop ++ 1408460;1455726583;asciilifeform;also note that they are all bga 1408461;1455726594;asciilifeform;i.e. not removable without ir oven and not remountable without xray. 1408462;1455726603;mircea_popescu;aha. 1408463;1455726608;asciilifeform;uneconomic to actually do anything at all with these. 1408464;1455726610;mircea_popescu;they'd have to be tho. space. 1408465;1455726613;asciilifeform;aha. 1408466;1455726669;asciilifeform;also starting with, iirc, ipnohe 5, the cpu is custom crapple asic (licensed arm) and has the various 'seek00rity' crud in mask rom. 1408467;1455726702;BingoBoingo;;;later tell hdbuck You got published again! 1408468;1455726703;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1408469;1455726719;asciilifeform;to 'jailbreak', you normally have to discover one of the handful of bugs planted for usg use. 1408470;1455726723;asciilifeform;these are precious and hoarded. 1408471;1455726728;mircea_popescu;"pentalobe" 1408472;1455726732;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with people already. 1408473;1455726745;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408301 << cool 1408474;1455726745;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:55:21; mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra! 1408475;1455726763;phf;also ftr i've never had a paid license. even without it developer.apple.com used to have all kinds of goodies. source code for all their opensource parts, legacy software, old version of xcode, various specialist tools for debugging, etc. 1408476;1455726806;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408314 << Newton, the actual apple pocketable or heretic iThing 1408477;1455726806;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:57:31; Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this 1408478;1455726826;PeterL;according to Forbes, roughtly 2% of ios are jailbroken (data vintage Feb 2013) 1408479;1455726837;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'newton' has been dead and buried since the re-enthronement of steve jobs 1408480;1455726842;asciilifeform;surely you knew this. 1408481;1455726878;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Who was Jobs to curate my Apple/Crapple filter? 1408482;1455726888;mircea_popescu;"Apple A8 APL1011 SoC + SK Hynix RAM as denoted by the markings H9CKNNN8KTMRWR-NTH (we presume it is 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM, the same as in the iPhone 6 Plus) ; Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE Modem ; Skyworks 77802-23 Low Band LTE PAD ; Avago A8020 High Band PAD ; Avago A8010 Ultra High Band PA + FBARs ; Skyworks 77803-20 Mid Band LTE PAD ; InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo" 1408483;1455726910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00056711 = 24.726 BTC [-] {2} 1408484;1455726937;mircea_popescu;and a coupla dozen more. wut a soup. 1408485;1455726964;jurov;not yer old pentium fo sho 1408486;1455726978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they quit making carrier-specific version, so yes, it has ~every~ modem. 1408487;1455726996;mircea_popescu;funny how space is not a consideration there lol. 1408488;1455727014;asciilifeform;it ~is~ a consideration, in each new release they merge a few of the ic into one. 1408489;1455727027;asciilifeform;the mainboard used to actually occupy the footprint of the phone 1408490;1455727033;asciilifeform;now it is this matchbox thing 1408491;1455727035;mircea_popescu;ic. 1408492;1455727053;asciilifeform;i expect that at some point it will be fused with the lcd glass 1408493;1455727064;asciilifeform;and the chips - be purchased die-only 1408494;1455727072;asciilifeform;(you can get ~most~ ic in die-only package) 1408495;1455727077;mircea_popescu;packaging even as bga is spurious in the constraints 1408496;1455727098;asciilifeform;aha, only done because economics-of-scale, as in, samsung sells not only to crapple 1408497;1455727107;asciilifeform;but when whole thing becomes 1 asic - no need for bga. 1408498;1455727109;mircea_popescu;yea. hence "normal" chip. 1408499;1455727124;asciilifeform;but the only 'normal chip' in there is the nand. and possibly the gyro. 1408500;1455727139;asciilifeform;everything else is custom at least in the metallization layer sense 1408501;1455727150;mircea_popescu;so in other words, the results of this discussion are - that apple isn't there yet, but it'd love to pretend like it is, and lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them. 1408502;1455727160;asciilifeform;where there 1408503;1455727168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if "samsung sells not only to crapple", thus therefore the normal chip can be had. 1408504;1455727181;asciilifeform;and do what, exactly ? 1408505;1455727184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there. "you can't get in". 1408506;1455727220;asciilifeform;thing is, you ~can~ break it, this is done by 1,000,001 folks. 1408507;1455727233;asciilifeform;by running one of the heavily obfuscated auto-jailbreakatrons. 1408508;1455727250;mircea_popescu;that is unrelated to our discussion, why do you keep reintroducing it "? 1408509;1455727263;mircea_popescu;"saudi woman can drive a car - by driving a model car in the garage!!1" 1408510;1455727264;asciilifeform;am i mistaken re: what the discussion even was ? 1408511;1455727265;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1408512;1455727286;asciilifeform;say i replace apple's cpu with samsung's hypothetical pin-compatible one. now what ? 1408513;1455727289;asciilifeform;i run openbsd ? 1408514;1455727293;mircea_popescu;to me it was "take apple out of the apple product". 1408515;1455727304;mircea_popescu;well no, i'd expect you to run musl-os 1408516;1455727310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu understands that nobody buys the motherfucking phone for the hardware, right ? 1408517;1455727319;asciilifeform;on touch screen ? who wants to write the gui ? mircea_popescu ? 1408518;1455727337;mircea_popescu;i don't care about apple products altogether. 1408519;1455727346;asciilifeform;the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users 1408520;1455727352;asciilifeform;much less touchatron. 1408521;1455727368;mircea_popescu;" lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them." 1408522;1455727399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my point was that if you wanted to make own touchatronic os, it would be considerably cheaper to use a handset from another vendor. 1408523;1455727410;asciilifeform;using crapple's would be masochism, plain and simple 1408524;1455727417;mircea_popescu;this does not bode well for apple's market value, if true. 1408525;1455727430;asciilifeform;the market value, such as it is, is 100% from the software. 1408526;1455727439;mircea_popescu;not the apple store ?! 1408527;1455727450;asciilifeform;'app store' 1408528;1455727453;asciilifeform;and os. 1408529;1455727456;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1408530;1455727465;mircea_popescu;til apple worth ~= slashdot. 1408531;1455727486;mircea_popescu;have you EVEN SEEN the appstore ? 1408532;1455727494;asciilifeform;and believe or not, folks ~like~ the censorship. in the sense that there are no public infectors, in the usual sense, for crapple ipnohe. 1408533;1455727511;mircea_popescu;i thought theres one a week. 1408534;1455727515;asciilifeform;and yes, this is achieved at the cost of apps not having any access to the file system, etc. 1408535;1455727518;asciilifeform;nope. 1408536;1455727523;asciilifeform;not one. ever. (nsa aside) 1408537;1455727560;asciilifeform;malicious app can only try to trick the user into revealing secret. it cannot, e.g., access the file system (you are not permitted fopen() ... ) 1408538;1455727564;mircea_popescu;http://www.abc.es/tecnologia/informatica-software/20150921/abci-apple-malware-appstore-201509211937.html 1408539;1455727568;assbot;Apple confirma la existencia de «malware» en la Apple Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1WrJ9S9 ) 1408540;1455727568;mircea_popescu;must be because in spanish then. 1408541;1455727587;asciilifeform;very loose notion of 'malware' 1408542;1455727598;asciilifeform;for instance, one can write a proggy that tracks your location and uploads. 1408543;1455727616;asciilifeform;or shows a trojanatronic 'gmail' login screen and waits for idiot to enter pw. etc 1408544;1455727620;mircea_popescu;but not one that rowhammers the fuck out of it ? 1408545;1455727626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not publicly. 1408546;1455727629;mircea_popescu;pff. 1408547;1455727665;asciilifeform;understand, this is largely a testament to the sheer nintendoism of the os 1408548;1455727670;mircea_popescu;encapsulation is a dream. you know that. what exactly activates your memory hole to think that apple "done it" ? usg perfume ? what is it ? 1408549;1455727676;asciilifeform;rather than any civilized concept of security 1408550;1455727696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the fact that jailbreaking is a thing reveals that apple has not 'done it' 1408551;1455727698;mircea_popescu;i never heard of retardation being an effectual preemptor of infection. 1408552;1455727706;asciilifeform;just that the 0days are few and carefully hoarded by aficionados. 1408553;1455727710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yet you try and sit as if it had ? 1408554;1455727719;mircea_popescu;purely aesthetic choice, this. 1408555;1455727742;asciilifeform;when they leak out, are typically patched in a few days 1408556;1455727764;asciilifeform;and then any jailbreak aficionado who has the misfortune to powercycle his box, is fucked 1408557;1455727775;mircea_popescu;why don't you say "clearly nobody gives a shit about apple or its products - so few vulnerabilities they can almost chase them all down" 1408558;1455727784;mircea_popescu;you DID say the exact this re qntra and ddos yest. 1408559;1455727788;mircea_popescu;why the specific choice ? 1408560;1455727827;asciilifeform;i admit that my crappleology is a few yrs out of date. 1408561;1455727837;asciilifeform;perhaps something changed substantially in recent history. 1408562;1455727850;mircea_popescu;could just as well be presented the other way around, you know ? if you're going to assign good/bad arbitrarily, might as well allign the needle backwards. 1408563;1455727851;asciilifeform;will have to find out, what. when i can be arsed. 1408564;1455727865;mircea_popescu;no, this has absolutely nothing to do with any finding out. it is not a matter of fact. 1408565;1455727869;asciilifeform;hm? 1408566;1455727880;mircea_popescu;when republican instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited lack of interest on the part of the enemies. 1408567;1455727900;mircea_popescu;when imperial instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited the exquisite intrinsic superiority of imperial instrument. 1408568;1455727908;mircea_popescu;you COULD, for the same money, put these in backwards. 1408569;1455727916;mircea_popescu;it is a purely aesthetic choice. you realise this ? 1408570;1455727917;asciilifeform;not precisely. re: qntra, i specifically think that the 'they don't exist, don't look there, nothing to see' field generator is operating so well, that they no longer see any need to draw attention with ddos. 1408571;1455727933;mircea_popescu;going into detail does not change the above. 1408572;1455727961;asciilifeform;well, i can identify who gives a fuck re: pwning crapple users - 1,000,001 orc carder monkeys, for instance 1408573;1455727965;asciilifeform;there is actual monetization there. 1408574;1455727990;asciilifeform;now orc monkeys are not the sharpest tools in the shed, true - have you ~seen~ a trojan of recent vintage? 19/20 are in vb 1408575;1455727995;asciilifeform;and multi-MB. etc 1408576;1455728067;mircea_popescu;so ? 1408577;1455728112;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one neutral construction here would be that the larger the item under discussion, the more likely you are to credit ability and the less likely to credit happenstance, on the expectation that size and competency correlate. 1408578;1455728131;mircea_popescu;still.. a useful judgement of "size" in this particular sense is very hard to come by. 1408579;1455728159;mircea_popescu;for instance, my own sizeometer judges apple as relatively small. 1408580;1455728189;asciilifeform;in the same sense as north kr is small. 1408581;1455728195;asciilifeform;for the folks inside - it is very large indeed. 1408582;1455728201;asciilifeform;whole world. 1408583;1455728204;asciilifeform;(to them!) 1408584;1455728210;mircea_popescu;world made of worlds made of worlds! 1408585;1455728224;mircea_popescu;it's turworlds all the way down. 1408586;1455728245;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_is_My_Motherland << oblig 1408587;1455728245;assbot;Wide is My Motherland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1oJZpmU ) 1408588;1455728252;*;asciilifeform had no idea engl. pediwik existed for this 1408589;1455728269;mircea_popescu;note in any case that while the logic is correct, " on the expectation that size and competency correlate", it is NOT the case that what is meant by size is what'd intuitively appear. 1408590;1455728277;mircea_popescu;this is an important point 1408591;1455728321;asciilifeform;i realized that i actually have nfi what mircea_popescu's size metric is here 1408592;1455728344;mircea_popescu;much to my chagrin, neither do i. it is at best an experience-bound heuristic atm. 1408593;1455728349;mircea_popescu;shall have to think on this. 1408594;1455728365;asciilifeform;but yes, to perelman ~all of computing~ is 'tiny' 1408595;1455728369;asciilifeform;because he doesn't own a computer. 1408596;1455728372;asciilifeform;nor wants to. 1408597;1455728380;mircea_popescu;not at all what's contemplated here. 1408598;1455728413;asciilifeform;this is a hilarious reversal of the old classic thread between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu re: 'programming == webdev' 1408599;1455728418;mircea_popescu;something intuitively comprehensible as more akin the german-pioneered "tank shadow" item. whereby a unit was represented as a blob function of both its strength/battle readiness and it's mobility. 1408600;1455728450;mircea_popescu;so a small elite unit was capable of projecting a long shadow whereas a churned to death rifle unit from a siege emplacement was a mere dot. 1408601;1455728451;asciilifeform;^ the notion is well-known to city architects, as the concept of car space 1408602;1455728455;mircea_popescu;right 1408603;1455728461;asciilifeform;(car occupies far more than the size of the parking spot) 1408604;1455728528;mircea_popescu;sorta like "size in the mind of the strategist". clean, elite units loom large. complex, large elucubrations are barely noted. 1408605;1455728553;asciilifeform;hence why i always said to mircea_popescu, 'webdev is insignificant worm and webdevers are not programmers' 1408606;1455728558;mircea_popescu;i shall be off to eat a lot of cake and meditate. 1408607;1455728569;asciilifeform;enjoy mircea_popescu ! 1408608;1455728588;asciilifeform;i'ma off to drink motor oil coffee, eat shit, and crank out useless crud for money 1408609;1455728950;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1408610;1455728957;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 418.94, vol: 10174.76136276 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.195, vol: 10046.97394 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 417.61, vol: 24588.7767113 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 2.09408999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 427.567497, vol: 45284.49820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 416.61983, vol: 1147.12907435 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 422.19486, vol: 76.19484017 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1408611;1455728958;BingoBoingo;;;more 1408612;1455728959;gribble;average: 422.861605721 1408613;1455728976;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00056657 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b32 1408614;1455729482;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/iaSEu << lulz an anti-qntra writes glowing review of another anti-qntra 1408615;1455729483;assbot;What's Next For CoinDesk? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1oK2O4U ) 1408616;1455730052;hanbot;"review". aka "say anonderp, i'm having trouble fitting my pretensions and emotional minutiae in a finite space. would you ask me how i feel about shit and host the results?" 1408617;1455730072;hanbot;he's fucking "excited" about report "products" is he. 1408618;1455730216;BingoBoingo;hanbot: That's actually a serious problem. Being excited about things for their "product" -ness and not that part where they are useful as things. 1408619;1455730445;hanbot;i suspect the recognition that things can actually be useful rather than superficially ego-satisfying is a more and more rare occurrence. or by now, ability. which explains a lot of the stupidity, but doesn't excuse it. 1408620;1455730449;phf;The satisfaction that no longer comes from using the commodities produced in abundance is now sought through recognition of their value as commodities. Consumers are filled with religious fervor for the sovereign freedom of commodities whose use has become an end in itself. Waves of enthusiasm for particular products are propagated by all the communications media. [...] Reified people proudly display the proofs of their intimacy with 1408621;1455730449;phf;the commodity. Like the old religious fetishism, with its convulsionary raptures and miraculous cures, the fetishism of commodities generates its own moments of fervent arousal. All this is useful for only one purpose: producing habitual submission. 1408622;1455730674;phf;debord wrote this in 67, he then wrote an update in the 80s, "everything has gotten even worse then i expected", promptly shooting himself 1408623;1455730766;*;hanbot is off to read, apparently 1408624;1455730875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160300 @ 0.0005717 = 91.6435 BTC [+] {6} 1408625;1455731446;BingoBoingo;"Re: recent node drop, someone is using up connection slots with fake SPV nodes; node count sites may be reporting nodes as down incorrectly." https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/699919824416284672 1408626;1455731621;asciilifeform;let ten thousand sybils bloom. 1408627;1455731682;asciilifeform;and the heathens who never heard of malleus can talk to them to their heart's delight. 1408628;1455731851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00056978 = 24.2726 BTC [-] {2} 1408629;1455731925;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In this case SPV is being used to describe garden variety pseudonode 1408630;1455731940;BingoBoingo;Not Hearnia blasphemy 1408631;1455731960;BingoBoingo;Dumb repeater SPV, not blind follower SPV 1408632;1455732036;BingoBoingo;AWS banhammer is far more relevant in this case 1408633;1455732247;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Since July "SPV" in power ranger and other usage has gone from describing a specific class of idiocy to describing a more general class of turds. 1408634;1455732278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 299687 @ 0.00057281 = 171.6637 BTC [+] {8} 1408635;1455732583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00056765 = 30.3693 BTC [-] 1408636;1455732821;BingoBoingo;Oh, no this was tradition bitcoinj SPV turd https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/467oat/sudden_appearance_of_bitcoinj_nodes/ 1408637;1455732822;assbot;Sudden appearance of /bitcoinj nodes? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1oKcWe8 ) 1408638;1455733293;asciilifeform;l0l, hearn's magnum opus 1408639;1455733333;mircea_popescu;bingoBoingo> "Re: recent node drop, someone is using up connection slots with fake SPV nodes; node count sites may be << o look at that, derpland discovers blackholing. 1408640;1455733356;BingoBoingo;Bunch of lite "wallets" all running in AWS 1408641;1455733440;mircea_popescu; debord wrote this in 67 << aha. 1408642;1455733473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how was the caek ? 1408643;1455733512;mircea_popescu;the caek produced the conclusion that there is nothing useful here - the heuristic value of a concept of "size" in evaluating the matter wholly comes from the evaluation that had been already pre-baked in the "size". 1408644;1455733531;*;asciilifeform suspected! 1408645;1455733727;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one way or another, folks will learn to respect the 'give nothing to stranger for showing up' theorem. 1408646;1455733738;BingoBoingo;eventually 1408647;1455733741;asciilifeform;whether in application to servers, or hordes of migrants, or wherever else. 1408648;1455733762;mircea_popescu;i have no problem giving food and water to wandering females. 1408649;1455733812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but not female rats. 1408650;1455733876;asciilifeform;as for travellers, when the known world was a cold and empty place, and wolves outnumbered wanderers 9000 to 1, etc. - it was a different thing. 1408651;1455733876;BingoBoingo;Or the female to mayo transgenders 1408652;1455733895;asciilifeform;whereas today all vermin own teleporters and will appear directly at your front door, if you feed one. 1408653;1455733922;mircea_popescu;heh. 1408654;1455733968;asciilifeform;one of the reasons i wrote 'g' (which remains unreleasable, ty mircea_popescu for the block cipher lulz, aha) is that the public node is not a sustainable thing. 1408655;1455733972;asciilifeform;really not so long for this world. 1408656;1455733986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.00057322 = 55.4304 BTC [+] {2} 1408657;1455734345;mircea_popescu;in other news, my mint is blooming. 1408658;1455734466;BingoBoingo;Cool. My daffodils survived last week's snows with leaves intact. Mininal brown on the tips. 1408659;1455734505;mircea_popescu;win. 1408660;1455734559;BingoBoingo;Hyacinths are more uncertain, but still lots of green. Tulip status unknown, likely many were consumed by squirrels. 1408661;1455734567;ben_vulpes;ohai 1408662;1455734587;BingoBoingo;hai thur 1408663;1455734596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00057332 = 5.9625 BTC [+] 1408664;1455734629;*;ben_vulpes looking forward to new and exciting bouncer failure modes 1408665;1455735084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73400 @ 0.00057336 = 42.0846 BTC [+] {3} 1408666;1455735195;deedbot-;[Qntra] Auschwitz Releases Political Language Software - http://qntra.net/2016/02/auschwitz-releases-political-language-software/ 1408667;1455735296;asciilifeform;ahahaha the poles 1408668;1455735312;asciilifeform;the folks who burned all the jews they could long before germany so much as asked 1408669;1455735335;asciilifeform;(the baltics were even more prolific champs) 1408670;1455735388;BingoBoingo;But POLITICS!!! 1408671;1455736243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00056752 = 23.3251 BTC [-] {2} 1408672;1455736426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00057342 = 26.492 BTC [+] 1408673;1455736914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16007 @ 0.00057342 = 9.1787 BTC [+] 1408674;1455736975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36293 @ 0.00057402 = 20.8329 BTC [+] {2} 1408675;1455737829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00056623 = 20.4409 BTC [-] {2} 1408676;1455738683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39435 @ 0.00056996 = 22.4764 BTC [+] 1408677;1455738744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37365 @ 0.00057403 = 21.4486 BTC [+] 1408678;1455739781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256082 @ 0.00056446 = 144.548 BTC [-] {5} 1408679;1455740391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15743 @ 0.00056808 = 8.9433 BTC [+] 1408680;1455740757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24658 @ 0.00056223 = 13.8635 BTC [-] 1408681;1455740818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123239 @ 0.00056685 = 69.858 BTC [+] {4} 1408682;1455742181;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://milandr.ru << can source any of this? or vapour, like elbrus ? 1408683;1455742183;assbot;Home − Milandr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJB9rr ) 1408684;1455742183;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1408685;1455742200;asciilifeform;http://zeptobars.com/en/read/1645RT2U-milandr-radhard-antifuse-rom << die shot. 1408686;1455742201;assbot;1645RT2U - Milandr radhard antifuse ROM : weekend die-shot : ZeptoBars ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBb2G ) 1408687;1455742282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6792 @ 0.00057403 = 3.8988 BTC [+] 1408688;1455742401;asciilifeform;http://adamsblog.aperturelabs.com/2013/01/fun-with-masked-roms.html << related. 1408689;1455742402;assbot;Obviously a Major Malfunction...: Fun with Masked ROMs - Atmel MARC4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBHgX ) 1408690;1455742408;asciilifeform;^ much pr0n 1408691;1455742432;asciilifeform;^ proggy that reads mask rom ~optically~ 1408692;1455742434;jurov;only 250k chips needed to store blockchain 1408693;1455742517;asciilifeform;jurov: these likes are from my recent attempt to locate a modern supplier of antifuse rom of reasonable density 1408694;1455742523;asciilifeform;*these links 1408695;1455742539;jurov;yep, spiffy pics 1408696;1455742550;trinque;for cardano ROM? 1408697;1455742560;asciilifeform;trinque: nope 1408698;1455742565;asciilifeform;for blockchain. 1408699;1455742581;asciilifeform;recent discovery is that nand flash slowly self-erases from ~reading~ 1408700;1455742596;asciilifeform;which opens up a rowhammer-like attack vector. 1408701;1455742610;asciilifeform;(i can't recall if this was public, but IT IS NOW!111) 1408702;1455742624;trinque;that's fun; meanwhile platters are practically unusable for it 1408703;1455742625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems even more vapor. 1408704;1455742630;mircea_popescu;if that were possible 1408705;1455742644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite possible, try it 1408706;1455742655;asciilifeform;needs crafted seek pattern. 1408707;1455742673;mircea_popescu;no i meant - if something being more vapor than elbrus were possible 1408708;1455742690;asciilifeform;ah! 1408709;1455742700;mircea_popescu;also - there's a reason ssd in raid. 1408710;1455742720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: raid doesn't help. 1408711;1455742723;asciilifeform;in this case. 1408712;1455742739;asciilifeform;(it could, conveivably, be made to) 1408713;1455742761;mircea_popescu;which kind of raid doesn't help ? 1408714;1455742800;asciilifeform;any of the off-the-shelf ones, as far as i can tell 1408715;1455742833;asciilifeform;or rather, raid5 will prevent the machine from coughing up corrupted blocks, but enemy can still drive you into penury by inducing wear 1408716;1455742874;asciilifeform;blocks really oughta live on storage that doesn't measurably wear. luckily this was invented in the '70s, and is called antifuse rom. 1408717;1455742888;asciilifeform;but as far as i can tell, it is no longer manufactured in any serious quantity. 1408718;1455742892;mircea_popescu;aha. well... blocks from 0 to n-1 at any rate. 1408719;1455742903;asciilifeform;all blocks. 1408720;1455742907;asciilifeform;remember, antifuse isn't mask rom 1408721;1455742914;asciilifeform;doesn't need to be pre-baked at tapeout 1408722;1455742923;mircea_popescu;yeah but you don't want to keep changing things either 1408723;1455743020;asciilifeform;last thing i will say for now on subj is - expect many more 'rowhammer'-like effects as desperate wunderwaffen attempts to resuscitate 'moore's law' explore new depths of fuhrerbunker desperation. 1408724;1455743076;asciilifeform;http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave << for anyone who wondered how 'wear leveling' worked. 1408725;1455743080;assbot;Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJDjHI ) 1408726;1455743170;mircea_popescu;heh. 1408727;1455743175;asciilifeform;oh one other thing, blocks really ought to live on a storage device where connecting tx outputs is a constant-time operation. 1408728;1455743178;asciilifeform;this is buildable. 1408729;1455743201;asciilifeform;(left as an exercise for the reader, how.) 1408730;1455743208;mircea_popescu;next you're gonna want ring buffers or who knows what heresy 1408731;1455743251;asciilifeform;hey i specialize in uselessly predicting crapocalypses years before they happen. 1408732;1455743282;asciilifeform;(the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?) 1408733;1455743309;asciilifeform;!s parachute 1408734;1455743310;assbot;120 results for 'parachute' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=parachute 1408735;1455743325;mircea_popescu;you can take curl from my cold dead hands or how was it 1408736;1455743348;asciilifeform;i thought that was perl 1408737;1455743356;mircea_popescu;no, it was symbolic notation. 1408738;1455743360;asciilifeform;ah l0l 1408739;1455743362;mircea_popescu;same diff-erence. 1408740;1455743383;*;asciilifeform falls down. 1408741;1455743399;mircea_popescu;:D 1408742;1455743434;*;asciilifeform made the mistake of looking at yesterday's reddit thread. barfalicious. 1408743;1455743466;asciilifeform;apparently peanut gallery holds mircea_popescu responsible (somehow) for... gox 1408744;1455743477;asciilifeform;and 1,001 like marvels. 1408745;1455743483;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1408746;1455743511;mircea_popescu;it's not any sort of gallery. organised disinfo effort trying to take "mp said mtgox must die, bitcoin communitwerps opposed it, got beaten to shit over it" into its reverse. 1408747;1455743513;asciilifeform;not sure what came after that, it was when i quit reading 1408748;1455743520;mircea_popescu;this is plainly how you know who was behind upkeeping the scam, 1408749;1455743526;mircea_popescu;and how badly the butt hurt once i fucked them raw. 1408750;1455743542;asciilifeform;btw gox is one possible candidate for 'did they ever fire the glass cannon' ? 1408751;1455743550;asciilifeform;the glibc one or otherwise 1408752;1455743553;mircea_popescu;but, as any rapist knows, the best thing for that trade is a ready supply of victims who will deny the deed. "i was never raped!11" 1408753;1455743603;asciilifeform;there was a spiffy mircea_popescu article where he discusses how victim with no recourse internally re-wires itself 1408754;1455743613;mircea_popescu;aha. 1408755;1455743636;asciilifeform;afaik all literate folk know about, e.g., the auschwitz inmates who collected scraps of german uniforms, etc. 1408756;1455743742;asciilifeform;the other lul from the thread was the people (?) vigorously denying that a unix box could run without ever invoking dns 1408757;1455743752;asciilifeform;(perhaps only funny to me?) 1408758;1455743793;trinque;how do you know who you are if nobody tells you? 1408759;1455743832;asciilifeform;waiwut 1408760;1455743857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re ip. 1408761;1455743874;mircea_popescu;it's a deeply telling thing. THEY don't know what the fuck they are by themselves. why would a box. 1408762;1455743883;trinque;^ 1408763;1455743904;mircea_popescu;surely computers can't be better than hoomans ? 1408764;1455743908;mircea_popescu;can't even beat hoomans at go! 1408765;1455743913;mircea_popescu;GOOOOO TEAM! 1408766;1455743929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74532 @ 0.00057427 = 42.8015 BTC [+] {3} 1408767;1455743990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3368 @ 0.00057438 = 1.9345 BTC [+] 1408768;1455744006;asciilifeform;i think that a more elementary thing is at work - these folks literally can't imagine a box other than 'ubuntu', rathead, etc. with 'autoupdater' and the like 1408769;1455744037;mircea_popescu;box gotta read the lolpics each morning. 1408770;1455744039;asciilifeform;consider, for instance, the anon who 'who'll be laughing when peter todd changes hosting providers' 1408771;1455744046;mircea_popescu;the who ? 1408772;1455744059;asciilifeform;actually thought, or pretended to, that we hardcoded the idiot sipa seed thing 1408773;1455744075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some monkey in the reddit thread 1408774;1455744082;mircea_popescu;sipa!=peter todd ? 1408775;1455744088;mircea_popescu;sipa is the wuille derp 1408776;1455744101;asciilifeform;yes (though this was not even the main lul) 1408777;1455744119;mircea_popescu;iirc bluematt had some sort of stupid thing to help the network lie about how connected it is 1408778;1455744121;mircea_popescu;you mean that ? 1408779;1455744125;mircea_popescu;(he's neither of these two) 1408780;1455744132;asciilifeform;nfi 1408781;1455744138;mircea_popescu;iirc he also turned it off when he realised it's actually bad for bitcoin. 1408782;1455744156;asciilifeform;but point was, i bet monkey cannot actually conceive of the 'no hardcoded seed thing' 1408783;1455744158;mircea_popescu;like everything else -dev does, but that realisation hasn't mostly struck yet. 1408784;1455744167;asciilifeform;because this is a technology that only makes sense in wot planet 1408785;1455744170;mircea_popescu;well sure. we're agreeing with you there. 1408786;1455744190;mircea_popescu;(we = me and trinque ) 1408787;1455744245;*;asciilifeform strongly suspects that the very notion of ~identity~ is Ur-terrifying to monkey man 1408788;1455744253;mircea_popescu;quite the point. 1408789;1455744278;mircea_popescu;humans are built upon identity. mooman's delusions of humanity are built on the perceived or constructed impossibility of identity. 1408790;1455744287;mircea_popescu;which is why all the derpage around anonimity, as if it were a thing. 1408791;1455744966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00057474 = 21.2654 BTC [+] {2} 1408792;1455745698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63261 @ 0.00057171 = 36.1669 BTC [-] 1408793;1455746308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.0005699 = 15.6438 BTC [-] 1408794;1455746807;mircea_popescu;;;google 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 1408795;1455746808;gribble;Bitcoin address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ...: ; Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra: ; The Treasurer's Contract - The Bitcoin Foundation: 1408796;1455746821;mircea_popescu;check it out - blockchain.info lost google spot. 1408797;1455747156;mircea_popescu;trinque there's something very weird going on with deedbot.org ? can you help me locate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371189 for instance ? 1408798;1455747156;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 15:27:59; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1JCZHZY.txt 1408799;1455747281;trinque;mircea_popescu: know what that might've been? dpaste garbage collected it 1408800;1455747289;trinque;I'll see if I can find what block happened near there 1408801;1455747540;mircea_popescu;trinque it was the dividends for mpoe and bbet 1408802;1455747550;mircea_popescu;which - i can't find any trace of any such thing on deedbot. which is ridoinculous wtf. 1408803;1455747565;mircea_popescu;should be each month after 15th. for months nao. 1408804;1455747580;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt 1408805;1455747581;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGAGZp ) 1408806;1455747595;mircea_popescu;aha! 1408807;1455747596;mircea_popescu;am i blind ? 1408808;1455747604;trinque;eh, not like it's easy to search through 1408809;1455747618;trinque;but the db has the info which will make its way to the surface at some point 1408810;1455747638;mircea_popescu;you know i just searched the page source for deedbot.org, deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt not in there 1408811;1455747653;mircea_popescu;a href="/bundle-393434.txt ah found 1408812;1455747673;mircea_popescu;39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D911 1408813;1455747674;mircea_popescu;39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D912 1408814;1455747680;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would it be listed under that ooooooohhh 1408815;1455747686;mircea_popescu;sorry. all my fault. 1408816;1455747696;trinque;no problemo 1408817;1455747707;trinque;I'm happy to be human search while there isn't one 1408818;1455747833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61887 @ 0.00057188 = 35.3919 BTC [+] {3} 1408819;1455748809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43549 @ 0.00056013 = 24.3931 BTC [-] {2} 1408820;1455749394;jurov;http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/technology/windows-10-pentagon/ "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter has ordered all 4 million of the Pentagon's PCs to be upgraded to Windows 10 within the next 12 months." 1408821;1455749395;assbot;Pentagon orders Windows 10 to be installed on all 4 million of its PCs - Feb. 17, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRsqnm ) 1408822;1455749404;jurov;on order from ft.meade? 1408823;1455749437;mircea_popescu;da fuck are they doing with 4mn solitare statuions. 1408824;1455749466;jurov;"I see this as a best proof point for Microsoft showing that Windows 10 is certainly more secure than its predecessor and stable enough to be rolled out to millions of people," said Pat Moorhead, analyst at Moor Insights & Strategy. 1408825;1455749631;jurov;you need hands-on win10 experience to truly savor such claim 1408826;1455749638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same thing they were doing earlier with 10 million older solitaire stations ! 1408827;1455749646;asciilifeform;remember, this is how microshit eats. 1408828;1455749651;mircea_popescu;quite. 1408829;1455749654;asciilifeform;(have you ever heard of a ~person~ paying for winblowz?!) 1408830;1455749661;mircea_popescu;"best proof point windows maintains the favour of nazi hq" 1408831;1455749693;asciilifeform;incidentally, i drove past it today, as every day, flags at half mast all week (herr scalia ?) 1408832;1455749698;mircea_popescu;wait ... is pat moorhead married to a fellow named moorhead, who is the head of moor something or the other ? 1408833;1455749713;asciilifeform;and speaking of, why has ussa not adopted the wonderful custom of playing 'swan lake' when politburo man dies ? 1408834;1455749716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe for herr scalia's pillow. 1408835;1455749738;asciilifeform;mmmhmmmnnmm. 1408836;1455750090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15708 @ 0.00056845 = 8.9292 BTC [+] 1408837;1455755008;ben_vulpes;latest useless office equipment acquisition: BLACK POST IT NOTES 1408838;1455755131;adlai;http://cs633228.vk.me/v633228834/f7c8/d38GXV90-H4.jpg 1408839;1455755132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TnZ18G ) 1408840;1455755138;adlai;oops! http://i1.kwejk.pl/k/obrazki/2015/10/a4ef7346bd1227e6be8153554fcd9c8e.png 1408841;1455755139;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TnZ3gS ) 1408842;1455755162;ben_vulpes;ancient trope adlai 1408843;1455755170;ben_vulpes;nice to see you again tho 1408844;1455755184;*;adlai blames the image similarity neural networks for reading his mind wrt the language (since half the channel probably didn't notice anything wrong with the first one) 1408845;1455755185;ben_vulpes;want to scrawl on black post its in black ink with me? 1408846;1455755206;adlai;!google paint it black 1408847;1455755229;ben_vulpes;today i cover staff desks in black post it notes with pentagrams drawn on them 1408848;1455755231;*;adlai adds this to the list of "music i know thanks to violent video games" 1408849;1455755268;adlai;is it black which soaks all other inks, or do you have some sorta gouach that can paint over it? 1408850;1455755301;danielpbarron;i imagine it's to go with those metalic colored sharpie markers 1408851;1455755316;ben_vulpes;the ink black is somewhat more light absorbent than the paper black 1408852;1455755378;adlai;draw pentagrams in the middle of stack, return to office supply warehouse, rinse, repeat 1408853;1455755451;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/Mz2GqWY.jpg 1408854;1455755452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TnZc46 ) 1408855;1455755462;ben_vulpes;bye bye bb 1408856;1455755814;adlai;woah ben_vulpes since when does the IFF have its own cloakmasks? 1408857;1455755817;phf;we paint the roses red, we paint the roses red 1408858;1455756034;ben_vulpes;sometime when you weren't around 1408859;1455756036;ben_vulpes;DUH 1408860;1455756085;adlai;damn 1408861;1455756086;mircea_popescu;when did s/jdif/iff/ ? 1408862;1455756189;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how the world works 1408863;1455756203;mircea_popescu;i jewst don't understand ? 1408864;1455756262;adlai;ben_vulpes: don't worry someday the kid might grow up 1408865;1455756667;ben_vulpes;BEHOLD I AM CHIEF CULTURE OFFICER 1408866;1455756673;ben_vulpes;I COVER DESKS IN POST IT NOTES 1408867;1455757058;adlai;mircea_popescu: suggested marginal revenue stream for qntra - affiliate links in articles referencing bitbets 1408868;1455757083;adlai;(authors should not get to pick the links... or maybe you disagree?) 1408869;1455757100;adlai;ie authors would earn through shareholder revenue (or increased share price) 1408870;1455757395;adlai;ben_vulpes: btw thank you for gladness. and i'm sorry that i tried unsolicited to sell you btc via pm. 1408871;1455757666;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. BingoBoingo ? ye think ? 1408872;1455757700;BingoBoingo;I gotta catch up on logs 1408873;1455757707;*;adlai notes that ben_vulpes was wise to refuse, given timing & retrospect 1408874;1455757717;*;adlai has to as well, but actually has to ~work~ beforehand, believe it or not 1408875;1455758424;asciilifeform;l0l work 1408876;1455758493;adlai;fite me 1408877;1455758500;adlai;https://online-go.com/play 1408878;1455758503;assbot;The best place to play go online! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDzzf1 ) 1408879;1455758515;asciilifeform;adlai: i normally play on igs 1408880;1455758540;adlai;everybody needs a server they wouldn't be caught dead on 1408881;1455758548;*;adlai has not picked one yet 1408882;1455758551;asciilifeform;that's what kiseido is for 1408883;1455758557;adlai;but at least i lose to better people on this one 1408884;1455758595;BingoBoingo;K, the bitbet affliate link thing probably has a place, but likely as part of a larger monetization effort when that time comes. I'm uncertain on this matter at this moment. 1408885;1455758606;adlai;V 1408886;1455758607;mircea_popescu;yeah, tbd. 1408887;1455758752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00057026 = 6.0448 BTC [+] 1408888;1455759452;adlai;https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2016-02-18/?msg=60345485&page=1 1408889;1455759454;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1LukPcr ) 1408890;1455759666;BingoBoingo;adlai: A position paper is liek the vocabulary suggests, a paper that "advances" a particular political position 1408891;1455759730;adlai;tl;dr: the only place where 'Blockchain' is camelpitalized is in the title 1408892;1455759746;adlai;paper is about Bitcoin, and dozens of hypothetical bitcoins (lowercase) 1408893;1455759761;adlai;capitalizes Bitcoin (and upon its popularity) everywhere. 1408894;1455759857;adlai;so i'd actually say it's a move in the right direction, regardless of the authors's's position 1408895;1455759896;adlai;but definitely tl;dr,able at a whopping 7,243 shares 1408896;1455763346;mod6;;;bc,stats 1408897;1455763350;gribble;Current Blocks: 398936 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 231 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 52 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1408898;1455763422;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1408899;1455763423;gribble;1068305335.67 1408900;1455763506;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9f624bed34b9584ee03c017017fd4ec0/tumblr_ndpdngIjcZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1408901;1455763507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRPoL3 ) 1408902;1455763582;asciilifeform;l0l! 1408903;1455763586;mod6;haha 1408904;1455763711;mircea_popescu;hehe 1408905;1455763815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 4.60383615 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 92 satoshi per share 1408906;1455763852;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1ZKQZWV.txt 1408907;1455763853;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRPZfK ) 1408908;1455763868;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1408909;1455763937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 46.60687115 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 9 satoshi per share 1408910;1455763966;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/31SYN3T.txt 1408911;1455763967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRQaHV ) 1408912;1455763969;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1408913;1455764035;adlai;!t m s.bbet 1408914;1455764035;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000105 / 0.000105 / 0.000105 (500 shares, 0.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000105 / 0.000105 / 0.000105 (500 shares, 0.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00007821 / 0.00009027 / 0.00013 (4600 shares, 0.42 BTC) 1408915;1455764037;adlai;!t m s.mpoe 1408916;1455764037;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055323 / 0.00056592 / 0.0005748 (3968178 shares, 2,245.68 BTC), 7D: 0.00054156 / 0.00056108 / 0.0005748 (35084807 shares, 19,685.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00051942 / 0.00056002 / 0.00060199 (97993405 shares, 54,878.76 BTC) 1408917;1455764776;mats;s.mpoe snores 1408918;1455764863;adlai;!s from:mats s.mpoe 1408919;1455764864;assbot;6 results for 'from:mats s.mpoe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amats+s.mpoe 1408920;1455764914;adlai;huh, scalpl is roadkill too. shame. 1408921;1455764927;trinque;http://dpaste.com/055FXN0 << will wonders never cease 1408922;1455764928;assbot;dpaste: 055FXN0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRSbUl ) 1408923;1455764948;adlai;trinque: you don't wanna see mine! 1408924;1455764949;asciilifeform;wut?! 1408925;1455764957;trinque;https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES 1408926;1455764958;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPhsJp ) 1408927;1455764966;trinque;the default account is the one deedbot was using 1408928;1455764982;trinque;I shall back up the wallet for dissection and rescan, I suppose 1408929;1455765002;asciilifeform;'wallet' must die. 1408930;1455765006;trinque;it's so terrible 1408931;1455765046;trinque;orifice to shit txn into and way to find out the balance of any address at the current state and you're good. 1408932;1455765165;adlai;(format () "~$" (reduce '+ (reduce 'mapcar '(abs cdr) :from-end t :initial-value (btc:listaccounts 0 t)))) -> "15863.10" 1408933;1455765190;asciilifeform;adlai: where's this 1408934;1455765196;*;adlai has never rubbed more than two digits together at once, with his own grubby paws 1408935;1455765205;adlai;asciilifeform: beneath my very fingers. 1408936;1455765210;asciilifeform;adlai: yes but WHERE 1408937;1455765221;asciilifeform;unpublished shiva extension ? 1408938;1455765232;adlai;ahh, the btc package 1408939;1455765243;asciilifeform;what's that 1408940;1455765248;*;adlai digs up the shithub 1408941;1455765257;adlai;https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt/blob/master/src/bitcoin/api.lisp#L25 1408942;1455765258;assbot;cjhunt/api.lisp at master · adlai/cjhunt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRST49 ) 1408943;1455765276;asciilifeform;ewww 1408944;1455765280;adlai;yes, prb dep 1408945;1455765292;adlai;old turd dries hard 1408946;1455765330;*;adlai actually wrote out ~4 of these rpc wrappers by hand before fuckiting 1408947;1455765349;asciilifeform;adlai: why dontcha shivaize it! 1408948;1455765359;adlai;the lisp code would've been neat if the damn powerrangers could keep their helptext syntax uniform! /rant 1408949;1455765366;asciilifeform;adlai: when i wrote shiva, i very much expected adlai in particular to pick it up 1408950;1455765371;adlai;aha :) 1408951;1455765376;mircea_popescu;trinque is it out of dough ? what was its feed addy ? 1408952;1455765376;adlai;who says i hain't? 1408953;1455765377;asciilifeform;so whatchawaitingfor 1408954;1455765384;asciilifeform;adlai: ml says you haven't ! 1408955;1455765391;asciilifeform;share yer patches plox. 1408956;1455765394;adlai;mircea_popescu: we are moping about 'account'ardation 1408957;1455765401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30292 @ 0.00057026 = 17.2743 BTC [+] 1408958;1455765404;trinque;mircea_popescu: nope, 0.08 left; wallet is just fucked 1408959;1455765411;mircea_popescu;kk 1408960;1455765415;trinque;rescanning 1408961;1455765416;mircea_popescu;the acct bs never worked right 1408962;1455765426;mircea_popescu;looks like implemented by lumberjacks, also. 1408963;1455765469;adlai;asciilifeform: patches are a ways aways. i'm still figuring out this whole C++ mess... last time i dealt with these shits i had MSVC+CLR to back me up, never touched the keyboard. click click click. 1408964;1455765492;adlai;shiva is an A1 tease but i still need to build the damn thing! 1408965;1455765514;asciilifeform;adlai: you know at this point a trained seal could build it 1408966;1455765538;adlai;untrained gardner could also build systemd 1408967;1455765541;asciilifeform;even builds own compiler, so long as you can dig up some gcc post-1995 or so that will build the current gcc 1408968;1455765571;adlai;well, i'm overbullshitting my familiarity with build systems... but the fact that i can run make doesn't mean i'm benefitting from any of the Vification. 1408969;1455765604;asciilifeform;adlai: you can start contributing lisp 1408970;1455765634;*;adlai has unfinished business, with people that pay him btc; trb hacking falls under play. 1408971;1455765652;asciilifeform;i am not in the habit of prodding people, but can't help but prod adlai. it is almost as if he were put upon the earth by the gods themselves just to add to shiva.scm. 1408972;1455765662;mircea_popescu;lol 1408973;1455765680;adlai;you're making my screen blush 1408974;1455765688;trinque;!b 3 1408975;1455765690;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XA21WS.txt ) 1408976;1455765710;*;adlai never jokes: http://i.imgur.com/BJHVP9i.png 1408977;1455765710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRTAum ) 1408978;1455765714;mircea_popescu;!rate adlai 1 alf's bff. nolispo. 1408979;1455765715;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/66c4cc1903481173 1408980;1455765720;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n 1408981;1455765726;asciilifeform;all of this goes for ben_vulpes also. 1408982;1455765740;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.adlai.1:93691b4dafa436d9b36c978ed42a65f3415b9c984b90038e7a0e0ba5e0a88316 1408983;1455765740;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for adlai with note: alf's bff. nolispo. 1408984;1455765745;asciilifeform;42 C ?!! 1408985;1455765750;asciilifeform;where are you adlai, a sauna ?! 1408986;1455765765;mircea_popescu;jidf lands 1408987;1455765770;adlai;so i 'promised' a dude a blockchain spamatron, and he gave me 3btc after insisting that we not sign anything, not even a gpg contract 1408988;1455765782;asciilifeform;i don't think my cpu thermistor even is at 42c on most days!111 1408989;1455765793;adlai;and i feel really bad that it's not working yet. thus, i go back to my 'uranium mine' 1408990;1455765833;*;adlai in his own defence asked the guy to ~specify~ what exactly the fuck he expected this thing to do... "you're the technical guy, that's your job" 1408991;1455765839;asciilifeform;42 motherfucking c?! is he posting from his tank?! 1408992;1455765852;mircea_popescu;you just don't understand how the world warms. 1408993;1455765876;adlai;fwiw it's a blended average 1408994;1455765884;trinque;adlai: there is a cost to accepting stupid money 1408995;1455765909;mircea_popescu;omfg trinque is en route to becoming a prophet. 1408996;1455765916;adlai;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/acda905e-d262-4770-b823-78b3a2f0bdd0/ 1408997;1455765918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRTYsz ) 1408998;1455765922;trinque;nonprofit 1408999;1455765928;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1409000;1455765947;adlai;trinque: you should collect the deedynickles, i haven't swept in a while 1409001;1455765952;adlai;then you get some income too 1409002;1455765978;mircea_popescu;income is not prophet. 1409003;1455766021;adlai;ehehe what do you take me for, a price signal? this message not directed at anybody in particular. goodnight #b-a 1409004;1455768343;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1409005;1455768349;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 417.14, vol: 11467.09363997 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.588, vol: 8275.86441 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.87, vol: 33020.33485891 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 1.12808999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.901798, vol: 49270.52990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 416.72, vol: 1244.41388896 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 415.368905, vol: 80.57082688 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1409006;1455768600;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408267 << /me can't believe how much worse this exact phenomenon has become in just the last decade. i was in the new engineering 'innovation centre' on campus today (mostly materials engineering) and every single last motherfucking dude was straight off the boat from india or china. i don't think there are two white dudes per floor at this point. 1409007;1455768600;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:25:47; mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days. 1409008;1455768672;adlai;trinque: whence 1PUWDF7uVmJ57KuGipXLod2d6RqWaPETFW ? txid 3541d2b8b28c680ff287130aa2e788f056eb87a954f5f95a13f76075b9281199 1409009;1455768816;pete_dushenski;obviously, this afternoon, and the fact that i'd be nutso to enter into a 20-year contract with a non-entity is why i will under no circumstances, and quite to the contrary of 'every is doing it' advice from the whole peanut gallery of well-meaning busy bodies, be starting an 'resp' account (registered educational savings plan) for my kid(s). if they want to go to law or something, i'll pony up, but if i sure as 1409010;1455768816;pete_dushenski; fuck won't be making uni appear to be the sine qua non for adult life that it was presented to me as. 1409011;1455768837;pete_dushenski;*everyone is doing it 1409012;1455768942;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408301 << brush off one ddos and 'to the moon' ? did i miss a meta-qntra memo here or what 1409013;1455768942;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 15:55:21; mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra! 1409014;1455768967;pete_dushenski;no wonder alf doesn't want to sell his shares! 1409015;1455769015;pete_dushenski;that guy, despite apparently not having much of a stomach for money or finance, is a pretty respectable little investor, i'll give him that 1409016;1455769056;pete_dushenski;i'd almost bet against alphago just on his word alone. 1409017;1455769064;pete_dushenski;s/word/action! 1409018;1455769070;adlai;bitcoin is speech, yo 1409019;1455769087;mircea_popescu;bishpeech 1409020;1455769098;pete_dushenski;bitplease 1409021;1455769104;mircea_popescu;haha 1409022;1455769211;BingoBoingo;;;more 1409023;1455769211;gribble;average: 422.290606363 1409024;1455769256;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_ncvbzdIATa1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1409025;1455769256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SA8NWC ) 1409026;1455769277;adlai;you know you're busy with less trivial bullshit when you are actually surprised by btcfiat updates in #b-a 1409027;1455769421;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408407 << you don't understand dirigible fantasies. it's like every comic book fan's overactive imagination telling him that 'if i only has x-ray vision i'd get so much pussy'. and then mousy radiologist (as they tend to be, in my experience), asks comicfan 'have you ever seen something with x-ray vision ? i'm not quite sure it's how you imagine.' 'nonsense, that's 1409028;1455769421;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 16:20:50; mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is. 1409029;1455769421;pete_dushenski; just because you're not a ~billionaire~ with x-ray vision, i forgot to mention that part. and if you tell me that you're also a billionaire, that's ok too because there are more parts i haven't mentioned yet!' 1409030;1455769491;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i call photochop on that last tumblr 1409031;1455769505;mircea_popescu;doh. 1409032;1455769552;pete_dushenski;mebbe this doesn't ruin it for some ? 1409033;1455769685;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not a photoshop, taken in New England with a camera that sees time 7 years in advance. 1409034;1455769706;deedbot-;[Qntra] UClibc Fixed getaddrinfo() Flaw Six Years Ago - http://qntra.net/2016/02/uclibc-fixed-getaddrinfo-flaw-six-years-ago/ 1409035;1455769721;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: 7 years exactly eh ? that'd be on the next jubilee then ? 1409036;1455769758;BingoBoingo;I don't keep track of that stuff 1409037;1455769782;pete_dushenski;that's why you're not chosen! 1409038;1455769826;BingoBoingo;Being chosen often means chosen for bad things. 1409039;1455769849;pete_dushenski;'there is neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so' (tm) (r) 1409040;1455769903;BingoBoingo;I dunno, member of the tribe seem to have a poor track record when it comes to getting chosen for things by other groups 1409041;1455769903;pete_dushenski;better chosen for 'bad' college football team then not selected to any team at all, neh ? 1409042;1455769922;pete_dushenski;if you want to play ball, that is 1409043;1455769961;BingoBoingo;I mean when the choice is polish ovens or not chosen... 1409044;1455769978;pete_dushenski;but even this 'poor track record' is nothing but the regular stressors needed to weed out the truly idiotic from the slightly less idiotic 1409045;1455770029;pete_dushenski;the world can use a good pissing off now and again, like the body can use a little rhinovirus here and there. helps keep everyone fresh. 1409046;1455770035;BingoBoingo;Then there's the whole part where bacon is delicious... 1409047;1455770055;pete_dushenski;well obviously kashrut is for the truly vapid 1409048;1455770102;pete_dushenski;because, yes, bacon is fantastic, as are slow-braised pork short ribs 1409049;1455770139;BingoBoingo;But don't you get kicked out of Jewbilee for that? 1409050;1455770167;BingoBoingo;ANd disqualify yourself from pleasing Moses with macaroni pictures? 1409051;1455770171;pete_dushenski;though i do blame kashrut (at least partly) for turning me off shellfish quite entirely. though i suspect that most of it is the unsavoury texture of the shit. 1409052;1455770206;BingoBoingo;But oysters are maximally delicous 1409053;1455770217;pete_dushenski;i also can't stand the texture of mashed potatoes, which doesn't seem to be derived from scum-sucking bottom-feeders, so i probably shouldn't blame the good book too much 1409054;1455770278;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: if you're a liberal-atheist-spinozist-jewbilee, there's not really anyone to kick you off your 'table for one' 1409055;1455770309;pete_dushenski;so carte blanche is mine as far as diet and the other 'customs' go 1409056;1455770321;BingoBoingo;That's not how the theologists behind south park describe it 1409057;1455770362;BingoBoingo;They were pretty clear. You go to jewbilee to make macaroni pictures to please moses 1409058;1455770401;pete_dushenski;musta missed this episode 1409059;1455770424;pete_dushenski;you remember the season ? i can add it to the list of shows i pretend that i'll watch one day 1409060;1455770466;*;pete_dushenski doesn't think he spends an hour a month in front of 'tv' 1409061;1455770544;BingoBoingo;TV goes behind you to provide background noise 1409062;1455770575;BingoBoingo;pretty sure the episode was simply titled "Jewbilee" though 1409063;1455770576;pete_dushenski;there's no background noise in library life 1409064;1455770603;pete_dushenski;aha 1409065;1455770609;BingoBoingo;Come on, there's plenty of it. What else do you call the homeless people watching porn on the public terminals if not noise 1409066;1455770629;adlai;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu what's policy on including charts from external sources in bitcoin mining overview qntra articles? eg bitcoinwisdom.com, bitcoin.sipa.be, tradeblock.com, etc 1409067;1455770654;adlai;attribution would be given although watermarks scrubbed in anger out of spite 1409068;1455770669;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: the fuck... not ~public~ library life. who the fuck visits those for more than the 30 seconds required to walk to shelf, to checkout, and back out 1409069;1455770695;BingoBoingo;adlai: If you submit an image it might be included, but can't guarantee it would make it in. 1409070;1455770746;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I just though since you were in the big city you had that kind with the hobopiss 1409071;1455770765;pete_dushenski;http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles/86128/projects/144664/861281226079103.jpg << THIS is the library life. not some goddam twobit public pisshole for treaty 6ers 1409072;1455770766;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xz2xO6 ) 1409073;1455770766;adlai;BingoBoingo: alrigh,ty 1409074;1455770813;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: o we do, but my evenings are spent in the quiet comfort of my personal residential library, not on the street. 1409075;1455770852;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That's the lobby 1409076;1455770877;pete_dushenski;two points to anyone who recognises that picture of the library above. (if you'd been, you'd remember it!) 1409077;1455770894;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Anyways, this is the actual library life. http://library.atu.edu/about/vtour/images/vt36.jpg 1409078;1455770895;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAbuav ) 1409079;1455770913;BingoBoingo;If you can't crush people with compact shelving you are wasting floorspace 1409080;1455770939;phf;pete_dushenski: there's a couple of nice libraries in this country too 1409081;1455770989;pete_dushenski;phf: the old cities (nyc, chi, dc) all have at least a few, to be sure 1409082;1455771003;adlai;BingoBoingo: flashbacks, to days scanning barcodes in a lawfirm 'library' off the P3 (that's three floors, in the parking direction) 1409083;1455771006;phf;library of congress obviously, but also all the ivies have magnificent libraries 1409084;1455771021;adlai;also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Exeter_Academy_Library#/media/File:Phillips_Exeter_-_library_3.JPG 1409085;1455771022;assbot;Phillips Exeter Academy Library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAbJSU ) 1409086;1455771025;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: no such thing as waste in a personal library 1409087;1455771048;BingoBoingo;Also real libraries put the desks in cages 1409088;1455771065;pete_dushenski;you're thinking of prisons 1409089;1455771079;BingoBoingo;https://localwiki.org/davis/Study_Cages/_files/cage.jpg/_info/ 1409090;1455771080;assbot;Information about "cage.jpg" on study cages - Davis - LocalWiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAbPtV ) 1409091;1455771088;pete_dushenski;which, at this point, have exactly the same demo, so i can see it 1409092;1455771110;*;adlai used this library primarily as dvd rental, preparing his blog's filler material a decade in advance 1409093;1455771122;pete_dushenski;maybe not exactly, but overlap for sure 1409094;1455771125;phf;i used to live couple of blocks away from frank furness library at upenn 1409095;1455771132;BingoBoingo;You need the study cages to have graduate studies 1409096;1455771183;BingoBoingo;locking shelves are insufficient 1409097;1455771315;pete_dushenski;phf: from the pics at least it looks rather beautiful. reminds me that the us once had great people building great monuments to culture and success. it's easy to forget that on the detritus-filled web. 1409098;1455771365;pete_dushenski;really, this is every bit as tragic as swapping sons before eating them. 1409099;1455771447;phf;i think philadelphia as a whole is a particularly painful monument to america's past. 1409100;1455771498;pete_dushenski;of the dozen or two us cities i've visited in the last decade, i couldn't agree more. 1409101;1455771606;BingoBoingo;In other news, this helium is defective http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.052501 1409102;1455771607;assbot;Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 052501 (2016) - Candidate Resonant Tetraneutron State Populated by the $^{4}\mathrm{He}(^{8}\mathrm{He},^{8}\mathrm{Be})$ Reaction ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xz3E0p ) 1409103;1455771607;pete_dushenski;but with no economic pressure to tear down those monuments in philly, they're not going anywhere either. and good bones on a city can always find new uses, even if there are fits and starts between 'ideal' (ie. high cultural) uses. 1409104;1455771612;phf;on one hand you have areas past art museum, which are basically abandoned lands of early american aristocracy. donated to "the people" to take care of, now they exist as ghetto bordering no mans lands. 1409105;1455771698;pete_dushenski;phf: trust me when i saw that it's even worse when the arivistes come rampaging through town in a flurry of nownownow-ism and tear the whole lot down right before your eyes. 1409106;1455771700;phf;on the other hand you have fishtown and north, forther industrial centers (long out of business companies that used to make ship and locomotive engines and such) are now either ghettos or white trash areas. 1409107;1455771727;pete_dushenski;at least the ghetto creep is...slow 1409108;1455771742;pete_dushenski;the apes don't have cranes, wrecking balls, and tnt 1409109;1455771810;phf;i agree though, i like that philly is a no mans land, since there's no developers or Control or particularly strong presence of usg. 1409110;1455771929;phf;there are parts by the waterfront where on weekends you can see an assortment of underclasses and weirdos. mexicans fishing, blacks riding dirt bikes, white trash drinking. kind of cool, i'll take that anytime over the overdeveloped DC 1409111;1455772050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00057019 = 18.8163 BTC [+] 1409112;1455772424;pete_dushenski;the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically. 1409113;1455772600;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1409114;1455772605;gribble;Current Blocks: 398954 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 213 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1409115;1455772746;*;adlai waits for the sharing economy (bike rental) to make sweet decentralized love with the service economy (relocating to meet expected demand)... lard and lazy pay swole to pump 1409116;1455772784;adlai;beautiful red hot economy, until the guy with the pickup truck shows up (existing bike rental companies do this backwards) 1409117;1455773081;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.kuzetsa.1:9ac617e96d465d1819601564b358240a43e95bb4448ef2bbf9bf7134e0d69286 1409118;1455773081;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for kuzetsa with note: for the voice 1409119;1455773207;kuzetsa;HAHA! 1409120;1455773211;danielpbarron;welcome back! 1409121;1455773221;kuzetsa;danielpbarron: ok to answer your question legit like... uh... 1409122;1455773222;kuzetsa;no clue 1409123;1455773236;kuzetsa;my coupling to assbot was always 2nd level before today 1409124;1455773267;kuzetsa;and I think maybe an op or two who uprated me ended up neg-rated by enough people who were 1-degree coupled to assbot or ... IDK really 1409125;1455773278;kuzetsa;it wasn't anything I personally did or caused 1409126;1455773312;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249616 << lol apparently it was me durring one of my cleaning sessions 1409127;1455773313;assbot;Logged on 23-08-2015 19:57:26; assbot: Successfully unrated kuzetsa 1409128;1455773321;kuzetsa; ~ specifically I mean #bitcoin-otc and #bitcoin ones... at some point I think people in here had a falling out with them 1409129;1455773351;kuzetsa;well yeah, but I think maybe originally I was only able to self-up because of nanotube having uprated me 1409130;1455773362;kuzetsa;and maybe 1 other person 1409131;1455773408;danielpbarron;that's possible, meanwhile he's no longer a lord 1409132;1455773438;kuzetsa;https://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa <<< yeah, it's even simpler than that, apparently 1409133;1455773439;assbot;#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAfvMk ) 1409134;1455773447;kuzetsa;the nanotube rating was still there, unfettered or something 1409135;1455773455;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot kuzetsa 1409136;1455773456;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=kuzetsa | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kuzetsa/ 1409137;1455773461;danielpbarron;^ the WoT forked 1409138;1455773495;kuzetsa;but the other person (for the 2nd point required) was you? 1409139;1455773501;danielpbarron;yep 1409140;1455773503;kuzetsa;YOU'RE the guilty party 1409141;1455773514;danielpbarron;yes I admitted this already 1409142;1455773518;*;kuzetsa judge judge judge 1409143;1455773525;kuzetsa;I blame you so hard 1409144;1455773539;danielpbarron;easy go easy come! 1409145;1455773548;kuzetsa;so very srsly omg damn you (kust kidding) it's all good wew lad 1409146;1455773555;kuzetsa;*just 1409147;1455773572;kuzetsa;forked WoT? 1409148;1455773612;kuzetsa;according to the link you posted (btcalpha) there's zero connecting ratings 1409149;1455773671;danielpbarron;i updates once a day 1409150;1455773679;danielpbarron;it even 1409151;1455773701;kuzetsa;so it's a mirror then? 1409152;1455773703;adlai;http://w.b-a.link/user/kuzetsa 1409153;1455773705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAfU19 ) 1409154;1455773723;kuzetsa;very jsonical 1409155;1455773765;adlai;it should just be a bunch of nested plists 1409156;1455773776;kuzetsa;TF is a plist? 1409157;1455773822;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386825 << a brief history 1409158;1455773822;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 02:52:19; mircea_popescu: what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement. 1409159;1455773823;adlai;nice date distrib: 12 10, 13 24, 14 6, 15 0, 16 1 1409160;1455773862;kuzetsa;oooh, less than a month ago ok 1409161;1455773867;adlai;kuzetsa: nonsense war from before it was cool to fite nonsense wars https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AlistVsPlist 1409162;1455773868;assbot;EmacsWiki: Alist Vs Plist ... ( http://bit.ly/1PS7Wut ) 1409163;1455773877;danielpbarron;nono, it happened over a year ago at this point 1409164;1455773892;kuzetsa;oh ok yeah I don't use emacs so I don't know wht alist / plist / elist is 1409165;1455773946;adlai;emacs isn't necessary, although it helps to have an editor that understands your AST 1409166;1455773971;kuzetsa;in the vi/emacs debate, I'm in the nano/scintilla camp being clueless about the substance of the argument 1409167;1455773980;adlai;what's vi? 1409168;1455773987;kuzetsa;vi is part of busybox 1409169;1455774081;adlai;vi is part of the joke... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255346 1409170;1455774082;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 14:22:28; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell 1409171;1455774082;kuzetsa;https://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html#commands <<< so you could like... 1409172;1455774084;assbot;BusyBox - The Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAgtbb ) 1409173;1455774086;kuzetsa;kuzetsa@yurizoku ~ $ busybox vi 1409174;1455774102;*;danielpbarron is a vi guy 1409175;1455774107;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408700 << nand flash is also coming to an ssd near you, courtesy of toshiba first and the rest are sure to follow. stock up on those samsung pro 850s now, kiddos. 1409176;1455774107;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 20:56:36; asciilifeform: which opens up a rowhammer-like attack vector. 1409177;1455774118;kuzetsa;and then do :q to get out after you're done looking at whatever that's the only command I ever bothered to learn 1409178;1455774133;kuzetsa;O_O 1409179;1455774159;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408731 << your glibc/musl efforts weren't useless !!!!11 1409180;1455774159;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 21:07:31; asciilifeform: hey i specialize in uselessly predicting crapocalypses years before they happen. 1409181;1455774164;adlai;kuzetsa: don't take this the wrong way, but you may find the logs interesting for a month or six of logged-time. will save you lots of questions, such as "why all the parens" or "did you really need to write your own darcs" 1409182;1455774203;adlai;obviously this doesn't have to be read in one sitting. 1409183;1455774216;kuzetsa;I don't know what a darc is, and parenths don't bother me either way 1409184;1455774229;kuzetsa;I'm content to remain ignorant 1409185;1455774242;adlai;http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ 1409186;1455774243;assbot;You're gonna have to learn that variety speak on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAgVGt ) 1409187;1455774247;kuzetsa;I just stopped in 'cause danielpbarron noticed I hadn't been around and took the time to figure out what happened 1409188;1455774259;adlai;that's nice of him to do! 1409189;1455774347;*;adlai wonders whether we'll ever hear back from DrWoT, the PhD-to-be... there is definitely some spinnable bullshit in the wot fork 1409190;1455774379;danielpbarron;kuzetsa, you still hang out in -otc ? 1409191;1455774381;kuzetsa;adlai: well I read that (skimmed) and couldn't glean any useful heuristic or philisophical insight 1409192;1455774402;adlai;some professions employ jargon, and there's a reason for it 1409193;1455774416;kuzetsa;danielpbarron: lurking in the mostly -- more conversations happen in ##bitcoin in my case because I prefer not to have non-otc / non-trading talks in -otc 1409194;1455774430;kuzetsa;*just lurking in there, mostly -- [...] 1409195;1455774431;danielpbarron;any good conversations? 1409196;1455774453;adlai;kuzetsa: eventually jargon can wag its dog, shaping the mother tongue more strongly than the other way around 1409197;1455774455;kuzetsa;in ##bitcoin the best conversation I recall lately ... nothing memorable actually 1409198;1455774467;danielpbarron;sounds about right (TM) 1409199;1455774491;kuzetsa;adlai: I don't disagree, but I don't understand your point either -- idioms aren't my thing :( 1409200;1455774509;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255346 << not sure if you noticed that 4.4bsd vi had lisp mode (and nothing else language wise). man page claims that some indent commands would actually do proper lisp indentation. sometimes i'd like to track it down and see what exactly the had there.. 1409201;1455774509;assbot;Logged on 29-08-2015 14:22:28; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell 1409202;1455774517;danielpbarron;oh wait, who runs double-hash-bitcoin ? I assume this is different from the one gmaxwell or whoever banned me from 1409203;1455774520;adlai;kuzetsa: ahh, i don't have a point. 1409204;1455774529;kuzetsa;adlai: no worries 1409205;1455774531;adlai;i'm just throwing links around and hoping something will stick. 1409206;1455774547;*;adlai goes back to spam that costs money 1409207;1455774570;kuzetsa;well you highlighted me several times, and even though the content wasn't anything I immediately understood and related to, the friendly tone seemed welcoming and I appreciate that -- the impression stuck, if nothing else :D 1409208;1455774673;kuzetsa;danielpbarron: one of the main reasons I didn't seek to figure out why I could no longer !up is because I'm legitimately a left-wing democratic socialist and knew who bernie sanders was before he announced the POTUS run 1409209;1455774695;kuzetsa;my political views are frowned upon in here by a few people (at times, loudly) 1409210;1455774710;danielpbarron;well I knew who he was too, but I guess that's because I'm in close proximity to Vermont 1409211;1455774718;kuzetsa;fair enough 1409212;1455774728;danielpbarron;yeah and I'm the only one in here that believes the entire Bible 1409213;1455774741;kuzetsa;curious on that 1409214;1455774761;kuzetsa;literalist or do you understand some of it to be metaphorical / superstitious in nature? 1409215;1455774775;danielpbarron;literal 1409216;1455774851;danielpbarron;you got any money on sanders to win? there's a bitbet! 1409217;1455774870;kuzetsa;Deuteronomy 23:14-15 ~~ always carry a shovel and be sure to use it to bury your poo so god doesn't step in it ... if taken literally, I'm thinking at best the understanding of germ theory wasn't going to be around for over a thousand years so the beliefs were genuinely held, though not literal 1409218;1455774888;kuzetsa;if taken literally though, god was angry and made you sick 1409219;1455774904;kuzetsa;lack of a modern sense of sanitation wasn't the cause, it was god being angry 1409220;1455774918;danielpbarron;well that's a strange translation you got there 1409221;1455774957;kuzetsa;"always carry a shovel and be sure to use it to bury your poo so god doesn't step in it" <<< any translation you want is fine, that's my own paraphrase (I compared several translations for this particular passage, and the meaning is always the same) 1409222;1455774959;danielpbarron;but yes, God does make us sick 1409223;1455774972;kuzetsa;well that's awfully inconsiderate of a deity 1409224;1455774989;kuzetsa;I don't personally believe gods to be that jerk-ish 1409225;1455775012;danielpbarron;Deuteronomy 32:39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. 1409226;1455775039;kuzetsa;shrug 1409227;1455775149;kuzetsa;ah ok, that's out of "The Song of Moses" 1409228;1455775162;kuzetsa;context matters 1409229;1455775191;danielpbarron;Exodus 33:13 Now therefore, I pray, if I have found grace in Your sight, show me now Your way, that I may know You and that I may find grace in Your sight. And consider that this nation is Your people." 1409230;1455775301;kuzetsa;hmm 1409231;1455775307;kuzetsa;"Blessing of Moses" too allright 1409232;1455775344;kuzetsa;IDK, the poetry sections of scripture aren't easy for me to take literal in a serious way 1409233;1455775349;kuzetsa;to each their own 1409234;1455775366;danielpbarron;Job 11:11 For He knows deceitful men; He sees wickedness also. Will He not then consider it? 1409235;1455775376;danielpbarron;re: God being considerate 1409236;1455775396;kuzetsa;eh 1409237;1455775568;kuzetsa;Genesis 19:26 ~~ But Lot's wife looked back. When she did, she became a pillar made out of salt. <<< like I said, inconsiderate, I can't hardly undersatand the idea of natural disaster being an act of god, and for something as innocent as looking over your shoulder to be cause for death is p much overkill no matter who you are (deity or otherwise) 1409238;1455775586;danielpbarron;God told her not to look back 1409239;1455775605;kuzetsa;killing someone because they didn't do as they were told is pretty dickish 1409240;1455775620;danielpbarron;not doing as you are told is pretty dickish 1409241;1455775622;kuzetsa;... my leftist views here are pretty inflexible 1409242;1455775638;danielpbarron;when told by your betters at least 1409243;1455775643;kuzetsa;authority to ... no 1409244;1455775647;kuzetsa;betters don't exist 1409245;1455775655;kuzetsa;that's not a thing I believe in 1409246;1455775695;kuzetsa;it's a philisophical / societal / institutional construct, and not legitimate in any way 1409247;1455775722;danielpbarron;the legitimacy is enforced by the better by virtue of him being better 1409248;1455775753;danielpbarron;the losers can complain about this.. and maybe they'll catch a beating for it 1409249;1455775755;kuzetsa;feel free to downrate me or whatever on the way out 1409250;1455775763;danielpbarron;aww 1409251;1455775885;phf;womp 1409252;1455776270;mats;#bible-study 1409253;1455776591;phf;it just looks like the issue is not so much that his views are frowned upon, it's that he can't handle opposite opinions 1409254;1455776942;pete_dushenski;me thinks he is a she fwiw 1409255;1455777119;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, do you remember her or did you pick that up from this conversation? 1409256;1455777164;pete_dushenski;y'know it might be a bit of both 1409257;1455777197;pete_dushenski;it's a pretty fuzzy sense, admittedly 1409258;1455777262;adlai;ahh shit the channel ran out of nice spoons 1409259;1455777354;adlai;;;later tell kuzetsa what part of trust involves agreeing about bs extraneous to the business in question? nobody will negrate you for bickering, unless that's all you do. 1409260;1455777354;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1409261;1455777429;danielpbarron;well i'll probably unrate in a year next time i'm cleaning names out, unless she comes back in the interim 1409262;1455777541;adlai;has anybody actually gone over alphago's play? this thing plays like an intelligent, polite housewife 1409263;1455777762;adlai;they even call it a 'she'! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRHUHW6HQE&feature=youtu.be&t=27m41s (automation fail analysis) 1409264;1455777763;assbot;Myungwan Kim 9p reviews Fan Hui 2p vs AlphaGo ?P - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1oLJy76 ) 1409265;1455777895;adlai;B is better than A because it'd make black's territory larger if black played, whereas A is basically a wasted move for black 1409266;1455777913;*;adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games 1409267;1455778213;adlai;this at least is an easy technique for crude optimization of nnn play: find your opponent's best move, and play it yourself 1409268;1455778237;ben_vulpes;adlai: at this rate you'll never get that hostmask 1409269;1455778285;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409024 << boss you're repeating yourself 1409270;1455778285;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:20:56; mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/205fc2394e3169753298a37dfdaf8032/tumblr_ncvbzdIATa1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1409271;1455778305;adlai;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-12-2015#1357716 1409272;1455778305;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 21:54:38; ascii_rear: ty adlai. my advice is to try for high snr 1409273;1455778333;adlai;"be liberal in what you accept" only works for machine parsers 1409274;1455778368;ben_vulpes;and cunts, mircea_popescu would say 1409275;1455778516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136600 @ 0.0005647 = 77.138 BTC [-] {5} 1409276;1455778625;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/31SYN3T.txt << i love these devil-may-care statements 1409277;1455778626;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRQaHV ) 1409278;1455779019;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1408981 << why precisely do you think i've been making such a stink about vtrons lately?! 1409279;1455779019;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 03:22:06; asciilifeform: all of this goes for ben_vulpes also. 1409280;1455779454;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1408995 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409002 << omfg am i really the only one who saw this? 1409281;1455779454;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 03:25:09; mircea_popescu: omfg trinque is en route to becoming a prophet. 1409282;1455779454;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 03:26:18; mircea_popescu: income is not prophet. 1409283;1455779646;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b33 1409284;1455779694;ben_vulpes;DONNY T TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNNNNNNND 1409285;1455779716;ben_vulpes;holy shit the odds on that bet 1409286;1455779833;punkman;what's this internetforcefeed cult you joined ben_vulpes 1409287;1455780067;pete_dushenski;and now, your moment of zen : https://archive.org/details/msdos_Where_in_the_World_is_Carmen_Sandiego_Enhanced_1989 1409288;1455780069;assbot;Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego Enhanced : Bro/derbund Software, Inc. : Free Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1oLMMrr ) 1409289;1455780101;*;pete_dushenski to slumber. full day of casino volunteering tmrw. 1409290;1455780182;ben_vulpes;... 1409291;1455780193;ben_vulpes;cassino volunteering? 1409292;1455780297;ben_vulpes;my inner thieving gypsy recoils violently against the notion of working someone else's chumpatron 1409293;1455780703;adlai;it's best when chumpatrons symbiose 1409294;1455780856;adlai;remember, leeches feed off general economic 'heat' rather than any single delta-PE 1409295;1455781272;punkman;http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/02/17/la-hospital-paid-17k-ransom-to-hackers-of-its-computer-network/ quite a discount from last reported ransom amount 1409296;1455781274;assbot;LA Hospital Paid 17K Ransom To Hackers Of Its Computer Network « CBS Los Angeles ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnpttW ) 1409297;1455785837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14823 @ 0.00056188 = 8.3287 BTC [-] 1409298;1455787423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00057215 = 70.6319 BTC [+] {4} 1409299;1455790351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92250 @ 0.00056596 = 52.2098 BTC [-] {2} 1409300;1455791632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00056391 = 40.0376 BTC [-] {2} 1409301;1455792791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00056914 = 20.4321 BTC [+] {2} 1409302;1455794011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9780 @ 0.00056915 = 5.5663 BTC [+] 1409303;1455794560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110850 @ 0.00057142 = 63.3419 BTC [+] 1409304;1455796531;shinohai;http://share.pho.to/A26AT 1409305;1455796533;assbot;no title ... ( http://bit.ly/1SU05Tn ) 1409306;1455799195;mircea_popescu;!up cazalla_ 1409307;1455799255;cazalla_;evening, composing a comment bitching on trilema.com in the meantime 1409308;1455799262;cazalla_;had a few, so you know, wine, truth lol 1409309;1455799331;mircea_popescu;lol 1409310;1455799344;*;mircea_popescu puts !down in a buffer just in case. 1409311;1455799860;cazalla_;meh, i am just angry as i let my guard down the other day and mentioned to someone that considering suicide is a logical and rational thought in this day and age 1409312;1455799883;mircea_popescu;as opposed to which day and age ? 1409313;1455799940;cazalla_;fucking idiots called a CAT (crisis assesment team) on me the other day because hey, if you're not enthusiastic to work shitty jobs to buy coke, watch blah blah housewives on tv and want to pay top dollar for plastic shit out of china, well, ya mentally ill 1409314;1455799957;cazalla_;i dunno what day and age, can't be much worse than the current year 1409315;1455799983;mircea_popescu;in other lulz of all time : new argentine govt negotiated a deal with the agros : govt lets dollar go ; agros stop hoarding and sell. the govt let the dollar go. however, for all its posturing, the buenos aires black market turned out to be relatively powerless in face of this, and so from a 8.5 official / 14.0 black market, the liberalised dollar settled at 13.5. 1409316;1455799990;cazalla_;my fault for being stupid enough to figure someone mature enough to think topping yourself is a reasonable thought though 1409317;1455800009;mircea_popescu;this was obvious to anyone who isn't mentally retarded by virtue of being born out of the union of a lazy man and a stupid cow, like every single argentine. 1409318;1455800025;mircea_popescu;consequently - the cash crop agros (soy) got butthurt and still didn't liquidate. 1409319;1455800040;mircea_popescu;meanwhile however, total sales ytd crossed 3bn usd, up 50% from last ytd. why ? 1409320;1455800041;mircea_popescu;guess. 1409321;1455800050;mircea_popescu;food crop (corn) went up like 800%. 1409322;1455800080;mircea_popescu;idiots are going to fucking starve. epic. 1409323;1455800146;mircea_popescu;if this doesn't prove that it is practically impossible to govern stupid people, i have no idea what would. 1409324;1455800219;cazalla_;mm corn, grew some this summer, not bad.. burned and charcoal that mother fucker in some butter with some 'matoes for breakfast 1409325;1455800223;cazalla_;tomatoes out the ass 1409326;1455800249;mircea_popescu;so how's life, other than not being able to find people to talk to. 1409327;1455800275;mircea_popescu;!up MartinShkreli 1409328;1455800298;cazalla_;mircea_popescu, yeah not bad, daughter due in 4 months, kill me now lol 1409329;1455800319;cazalla_;gardening makes life worth living, but winter is coming 1409330;1455800322;mircea_popescu;cazalla_ is all depressed, drinks lots, considers offing self, stumbles through various internet hate sites, ends up in b-a, a year later is head of major btc business, has quit drinking, is all optimistic, decides that internet is not irl, moves on to irl, six months later is depressed, drinks heavily, discusses suicide. 1409331;1455800325;mircea_popescu;such wow. 1409332;1455800343;cazalla_;mircea_popescui don't drink shit these days, i've had a bottle of port tonight, but this is a first for months 1409333;1455800351;mircea_popescu;i'm just being an asshole. 1409334;1455800353;cazalla_;reading rest 1409335;1455800375;cazalla_;sounds arrogant for me to say, but most people are stupid 1409336;1455800380;cazalla_;everyone i encounter is stupid 1409337;1455800393;mircea_popescu;sorry mate. you've been touched by the republic. now you're fucked. 1409338;1455800399;mircea_popescu;THERE IS NO GOING BACK 1409339;1455800436;cazalla_;still, this place was the best thing to happen to me in 5 years 1409340;1455800504;cazalla_;i dunno what is wrong with my health though 1409341;1455800512;cazalla_;not diabeetus (sorry BingoBoingo lol) 1409342;1455800515;mircea_popescu;i had no idea you had winter in ozland. when did that get imported ? 1409343;1455800523;cazalla_;nothing on my brain according to mri and the cunts who read em 1409344;1455800525;mircea_popescu;cazalla_ so try a doctor ? 1409345;1455800535;cazalla_;white blood cells up, then back to normal, a few times 1409346;1455800540;mircea_popescu;ah. so then stop being hypo ? 1409347;1455800549;cazalla_;im not hypo 1409348;1455800565;mircea_popescu;hm 1409349;1455800566;cazalla_;just sick of cunts attempting to put my symptoms down to ptsd etc 1409350;1455800577;mircea_popescu;you were in a war ? 1409351;1455800585;cazalla_;no, found a dead body or 2 though 1409352;1455800596;cazalla_;once they hear that.. oh it's fucking ptsd, it's depression blah blah 1409353;1455800602;mircea_popescu;heh 1409354;1455800610;cazalla_;they can't fathom you can be ok with that 1409355;1455800644;mircea_popescu;must suck to be an undertaker. 1409356;1455800648;cazalla_;they just wanna load up the sympathy and pity because it makes their job easy 1409357;1455800654;mircea_popescu;quite. 1409358;1455800672;cazalla_;ah well, least not dead, expected to drop dead many years ago 1409359;1455800702;punkman;what's this CAT thing 1409360;1455800718;cazalla_;well punkman, i've had an mri of my head, neck, cat of head, nothing 1409361;1455800735;cazalla_;echos out the ass 1409362;1455800740;punkman;the crisis team thing 1409363;1455800747;cazalla_;yeah, they are fucked, just recruitment for the ward 1409364;1455800751;mircea_popescu;the who ? 1409365;1455800756;asciilifeform;cazalla_: come visit usascwitz, your pesthole will look great in comparison when you come back... 1409366;1455800769;cazalla_;tbh, i just wanna fight 1409367;1455800777;cazalla_;win or lose, someone gotta die 1409368;1455800794;cazalla_;maybe just pressure, pressing down on me 1409369;1455800837;cazalla_;and anyway asciilifeform, usascwitz won't let cunts like me in 1409370;1455800852;asciilifeform;waiwut? 1409371;1455800862;cazalla_;not that i'd visit (or leave the confines of the shores from down under) 1409372;1455800922;cazalla_;asciilifeform, racist americasn dont allow convicts in 1409373;1455800975;mircea_popescu;lol what were you in for ? 1409374;1455800986;cazalla_;nah, never been in 1409375;1455800990;mircea_popescu;... 1409376;1455800991;cazalla_;just a few convictions 1409377;1455801004;mircea_popescu;hey, they let ver in, rite ? 1409378;1455801013;cazalla_;ver american though isnt he 1409379;1455801074;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409033 << more than 7, where the fuck you gonna find that many brit lassies that aren't overweight and sober enough to stand ? 1409380;1455801074;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:28:05; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a photoshop, taken in New England with a camera that sees time 7 years in advance. 1409381;1455801077;mircea_popescu;!up cazalla_ 1409382;1455801085;cazalla_;ill auth 1409383;1455801124;cazalla_;although tbh i never tried to go offshore, but i figure they dont let people with convictions in despite no prison time 1409384;1455801130;cazalla_;fuck planes 1409385;1455801139;cazalla_;my dreams of full of plane crashes 1409386;1455801195;mircea_popescu;in better dream material news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/6d732dbd3332b09ec22e838ef7d52f5d/tumblr_nbogdbeJnt1re5z1ko1_1280.jpg 1409387;1455801196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1otkDpf ) 1409388;1455801213;cazalla_;asian waifu more a copypaste sorta thing 1409389;1455801300;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409066 << meh. 1409390;1455801300;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:43:49; adlai: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu what's policy on including charts from external sources in bitcoin mining overview qntra articles? eg bitcoinwisdom.com, bitcoin.sipa.be, tradeblock.com, etc 1409391;1455801459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409077 << no, you two. THIS : http://yes-nude-in-public.tumblr.com/post/88464959395 1409392;1455801459;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:48:14; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyways, this is the actual library life. http://library.atu.edu/about/vtour/images/vt36.jpg 1409393;1455801461;assbot;Nude in Public ... ( http://bit.ly/1otlBSv ) 1409394;1455801552;cazalla;;;later tell ben_vulpes whats the "hey you" about? 1409395;1455801552;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1409396;1455801572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409099 << that's a point. 1409397;1455801572;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:57:27; phf: i think philadelphia as a whole is a particularly painful monument to america's past. 1409398;1455801597;cazalla;so what would you do mircea_popescu, joe stack the cunts? 1409399;1455801621;mircea_popescu;so far it is not in any sense apparent the problem is with them. what exactly would you have them do ? 1409400;1455801636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00056524 = 25.5206 BTC [-] 1409401;1455801643;cazalla;well, nothing, can only go so far as explain symptoms 1409402;1455801659;cazalla;but coming back with mental illness doesn't really help or explain anything, i am clearly sane 1409403;1455801698;mircea_popescu;there is nothing clear about sanity. 1409404;1455801713;mircea_popescu;you're not clearly insane, which is the most can be said for anyone. 1409405;1455801724;asciilifeform;!s психушка 1409406;1455801725;assbot;0 results for 'психушка' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%85%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0 1409407;1455801733;asciilifeform;hm 1409408;1455801740;cazalla;i've already passed the point where if i drop dead tomorrow from whatever it is, so be it 1409409;1455801748;cazalla;but if it were to happen, well, at least i'd like to know it's coming 1409410;1455801758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you mean to say trilema.com/психушка ? 1409411;1455801762;cazalla;only reason i've pursued these idiot as far as i have 1409412;1455801795;asciilifeform;cazalla: from the pov of the cattle herders, you're 'insane' for refusing their palliative shuddup-pillz 1409413;1455801799;mircea_popescu;but ftr, as i said on trilema : obscure autoimmune problems are both rare and obvious in tissue sample. 1409414;1455801842;cazalla;i can't find the dpaste, but i posted my symptoms in here before 1409415;1455801844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good piece. but generally. 1409416;1455801865;cazalla;sure as fuck isn't aids or schizophrenia 1409417;1455801873;mircea_popescu;well that's two then... 1409418;1455801893;cazalla;well, they claim i am schizo 1409419;1455801895;cazalla;but i am not 1409420;1455801899;mircea_popescu;how do you know ? 1409421;1455801908;cazalla;well, i don't, other than i'm not 1409422;1455801920;mircea_popescu;THAT IS WHAT THEY ALL SAY 1409423;1455801929;cazalla;alone in the world, can't no anyone else is real, rational though, can't prove or disprove 1409424;1455801931;mircea_popescu;well... the ones that move, at any rate. 1409425;1455801932;cazalla;knwo 1409426;1455801952;cazalla;feel bugs? schizophrenia! paranoid? schizophrenia! 1409427;1455801977;mircea_popescu;the general stance of medicine, for about eleven centuries or so, has been that nobody cares what people think ; but if it interferes with their lives. 1409428;1455802011;mircea_popescu;it's the deep root behind the russian "slow acting psychosis" and the dsm and all the jazz. 1409429;1455802014;cazalla;well, this has interfered with my life for the past 10 years, but one develops coping mechanisms because one has no choice, other hten to top oneself, which i am not too keen on 1409430;1455802061;cazalla;i've gone as far as a ct coronary angiogram.. nothing 1409431;1455802077;mircea_popescu;i hear anal sex relaxes one. 1409432;1455802093;cazalla;well hey, the idea of giving it or receiving it turns me off, so maybe you're right 1409433;1455802103;cazalla;you know.. they shit from there afterall 1409434;1455802112;cazalla;cock being the most pressure thing i have 1409435;1455802119;cazalla;sure as fuck not sticking it in such a shitty place 1409436;1455802122;mircea_popescu;so there's your tailor made placebo. every time you get the problem, tell yourself that if it keeps going you're going to have anal sex with a black dude as a cure. 1409437;1455802154;cazalla;thestringpuller, coming down under lol? 1409438;1455802167;mircea_popescu;no, an uglier dude than thestringpuller 1409439;1455802172;mircea_popescu;preferably with a nose ring. 1409440;1455802184;cazalla;only poofs have nose rings 1409441;1455802189;mircea_popescu;and obv someone who presses more than you. 1409442;1455802192;mircea_popescu;and you can call him daddy. 1409443;1455802205;cazalla;nah, you'd have to kill me before i'd submit to that 1409444;1455802214;mircea_popescu;so then don't get in pain. 1409445;1455802221;mircea_popescu;or w/e it is you do. 1409446;1455802229;cazalla;i guess it don't matter anyway 1409447;1455802234;cazalla;pain, no pain, whatever 1409448;1455802276;mircea_popescu;see ? cured. 1409449;1455802292;*;mircea_popescu 's little shop of horrors slash talk therapy is now open for biz. 1409450;1455802292;cazalla;that's some witch doctor shit 1409451;1455802348;*;cazalla puits some linkin park on 1409452;1455802362;cazalla;cause im one step closer to the edge, geddit 1409453;1455802378;cazalla;big bada boom 1409454;1455802569;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409110 << the history of civilisation is that nobody likes the forbidden city, least of all the emperor for whom it was nominally built. it is the sad curse of women to mostly make things nobody likes, be it tea cozies or "civilisations". 1409455;1455802569;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 05:05:29; phf: there are parts by the waterfront where on weekends you can see an assortment of underclasses and weirdos. mexicans fishing, blacks riding dirt bikes, white trash drinking. kind of cool, i'll take that anytime over the overdeveloped DC 1409456;1455802635;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409112 << good thing you missed china in its "so much concrete dust it actually forms clouds and rains pebbles" heydays. 1409457;1455802635;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 05:13:44; pete_dushenski: the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically. 1409458;1455802788;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409431 <<< preserving this advice. 1409459;1455802788;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 13:27:57; mircea_popescu: i hear anal sex relaxes one. 1409460;1455802823;cazalla;so you giving or taking shinohai 1409461;1455802855;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409160 << year and a month ago. 1409462;1455802855;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 05:37:42; kuzetsa: oooh, less than a month ago ok 1409463;1455802875;shinohai;I mean, ill use it on my gf sometimes when she says she is stressed? 1409464;1455802890;shinohai;how 'bout an anal fuck? mircea_popescu says it relieves stress! 1409465;1455802926;shinohai;"oh yeah, I guess you're right!" *bends over* 1409466;1455802927;cazalla;for who though 1409467;1455802932;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know i don't follow the logic of this. so no anal sex because she on occasion shits from there ? for one thing, if you want her to, she can banana from there, just stick one in. for the other thing - no oral sex either ? she pukes from there! you like puke more than shit ? what about normal hole, she bleeds from there not to mention babies from there. are you a pedo now because you fuck the baby hole ? 1409468;1455802962;mircea_popescu;shinohai it does actually work, least of which because she gotta relax to take it or else it hurts. 1409469;1455802966;cazalla;mircea_popescu, what womens pukes from there on a daily basis? i sure as fuck don't want shit on my cock 1409470;1455802975;mircea_popescu;use a condom like everyone sane. 1409471;1455802980;cazalla;fuck condoms 1409472;1455802981;shinohai;^ 1409473;1455802987;mircea_popescu;that's the idea. 1409474;1455802999;cazalla;rather jack off on xhamster than use condoms 1409475;1455803003;mircea_popescu;and i fucked at least a coupla that puked on a super-daily basis. 1409476;1455803016;cazalla;spew ain't near as revolting as shit anyway, imo 1409477;1455803033;mircea_popescu;depends what she ate. 1409478;1455803047;mircea_popescu;SOME EAT THE SHIT BEFORE THEY PUKE IT OUT AND EAT IT AGAIN!11 1409479;1455803048;shinohai;Just think "hey my cock is so big it makes her puke!" You'll feel better about it! :D 1409480;1455803060;cazalla;if you enjoy it, or others, idc, but never seen the appeal, as mentioned before, i was pressured into it and she cried lol 1409481;1455803080;mircea_popescu;wait, bubba pressured you into doing the missus in the pooper ? 1409482;1455803081;cazalla;if it's purely to humilate and pwn her, i get it, but for ones own enjoyment, i don't see it, for myself anyway 1409483;1455803089;cazalla;clearly not 1409484;1455803101;cazalla;biological urge is to knock her up whether i really want it or not 1409485;1455803111;cazalla;and clearly i really want to 1409486;1455803111;mircea_popescu;heh 1409487;1455803119;cazalla;otherwise, why the urge 1409488;1455803122;mircea_popescu;well so good for you then. 1409489;1455803159;cazalla;it's only smellz 1409490;1455803176;cazalla;that is what it reminds me of lol 1409491;1455803184;cazalla;http://efukt.com/21049_It's_Only_Smellz.html 1409492;1455803185;assbot;eFukt.com | It's Only Smellz ... ( http://bit.ly/1otrQFO ) 1409493;1455803219;shinohai;SuchWow: "staff-emeritus" of ............ dogecoin 1409494;1455803249;mircea_popescu;and in further "girls trying really hard to put on a good face for alf" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/842cddf185e8c4e60cfcab598c45c351/tumblr_ncazm39oqA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg 1409495;1455803252;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ots2ol ) 1409496;1455803279;cazalla;tiger fuck me eyes 1409497;1455803306;asciilifeform;undead rises!11 1409498;1455803321;mircea_popescu;braaaainzzzzz 1409499;1455803323;mircea_popescu;pareeeenssss 1409500;1455803642;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409253 << well that was entertaining. 1409501;1455803642;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 06:23:11; phf: it just looks like the issue is not so much that his views are frowned upon, it's that he can't handle opposite opinions 1409502;1455803644;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/hZ7oxTd.jpg <<< condoms 1409503;1455803645;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PI3j8H ) 1409504;1455803656;*;mircea_popescu has been around long enough to recall this exact thing happening once before. 1409505;1455803685;mircea_popescu;the inconvenient truth of the matter is that there isn't enough hope to go around to everyone ; and moreover that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for this. 1409506;1455803706;mircea_popescu;it's true that [a certain subset of parents] treats their kids intelligence as a sort of surogate beauty/athletic promise/musical talent, 1409507;1455803717;mircea_popescu;that'll perhaps feed and clothe their wormy offspring when they won't be able to. 1409508;1455803729;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, intelligence in and of itself is not useful to the intelligent. 1409509;1455803732;cazalla;shinohai, aint you never heard of the glove in a tube between the bed trick, chicken breast wtf 1409510;1455803893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106000 @ 0.00056508 = 59.8985 BTC [-] {3} 1409511;1455803939;mircea_popescu;!rate kuzetsa -1 stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you. 1409512;1455803939;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1caa2f670ad48e3c 1409513;1455803959;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kuzetsa.-1:779bdaecbb1406c7632aa9000d51bf376602ac8654c532a494bea29839ce39aa 1409514;1455803959;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for kuzetsa with note: stereotypical wikipedia idiot. please do humanity and the world generally a favour and step outside. everything. all of you. 1409515;1455804020;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409262 << quite. 1409516;1455804020;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 06:39:01; adlai: has anybody actually gone over alphago's play? this thing plays like an intelligent, polite housewife 1409517;1455804042;mircea_popescu;and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy. 1409518;1455804134;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409266 << the difference between these two is irrelevant in context. during, in between, wut ? 1409519;1455804134;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games 1409520;1455804196;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409274 << not so. cunts have to be rather conserative. much like any other open-to-the-world, everyone-gets-root-for-showing-up perl interpreter. 1409521;1455804196;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 06:52:48; ben_vulpes: and cunts, mircea_popescu would say 1409522;1455804299;peterl; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409266 << the difference between these two is irrelevant in context. during, in between, wut ? << if taken from during them game, it can predict the best way to win the current game, if taken before hand, it just predicts the general best way to win 1409523;1455804299;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 06:45:13; *: adlai wonders at the degree to which AlphaGo plays against itself ~during~, not between, games 1409524;1455804362;peterl;if the opponent does something it would not have done, then all the premade predictions are useless 1409525;1455804366;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b35 1409526;1455804390;mircea_popescu;peterl thinking the thing maintains a huge rainbow table of games is not useful. the thing about go is that it has too many possible positions. 1409527;1455804419;peterl;right, so it has to figure the best moved based on the current board 1409528;1455804463;mircea_popescu;it works by computing clusters of stones over and over, best i can tell 1409529;1455804465;mircea_popescu;ianae. 1409530;1455804482;mircea_popescu;(tbf, the nature of nn is that nobody is an expert anyway) 1409531;1455804559;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409292 << no serious casino pays the hookers to be there! 1409532;1455804559;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 07:24:57; ben_vulpes: my inner thieving gypsy recoils violently against the notion of working someone else's chumpatron 1409533;1455804631;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409304 << new gf ? 1409534;1455804631;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 11:55:31; shinohai: http://share.pho.to/A26AT 1409535;1455804699;shinohai;not yet I'm afraid. 1409536;1455804815;mircea_popescu;in better living through technologee news, i bought a juicer a while back, it came with a coffee grinder attachment which i never used. until a few days ago, that is 1409537;1455804838;mircea_popescu;when it occured tro me that if i put my cereal in there, i probably wouldn't have to chew it. and so i did, and wow, cereal-tahini-paste. wunderbar. 1409538;1455805136;cazalla;got a juicer, some korean slow motor shit 1409539;1455805146;cazalla;juicespresso 1409540;1455805211;cazalla;college cornflakes tahini though i dunno 1409541;1455805229;cazalla;had my fill of tzatziki this summer, cucumbers out the ass 1409542;1455805246;cazalla;made a few jewtube vids on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY0h5EFCtLc 1409543;1455805247;assbot;Growing Apple Cucumbers Spring 2015 / Summer 2016 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PI6vB5 ) 1409544;1455805261;cazalla;fuck all views, gimme that make monies while u sleep adsense monies 1409545;1455805820;cazalla;zzz, night all, much love, terry tibbs 1409546;1455805906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.00056572 = 57.6469 BTC [+] {2} 1409547;1455806577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23332 @ 0.00056396 = 13.1583 BTC [-] 1409548;1455807797;adlai;mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or that of people who say that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel) 1409549;1455809871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16569 @ 0.00056188 = 9.3098 BTC [-] {2} 1409550;1455810448;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409548 << laugh, but as a schoolboy i wanted to build exactly this. even wrote lengthy treatise turd concerning it. even bought fpga (and then realized that i have no way to attach it to a board, 0.5mm pitch) 1409551;1455810448;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 15:03:17; adlai: mircea_popescu: sounds like you should have the girls start up an herbalife/"soylent cream is sheeple" competitor! but what you & peterl say makes me question my understanding of ANNs (or that of people who say that AlphaGo is still "learning" while gazing deeper into its own navel) 1409552;1455810543;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.11262093 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b42 1409553;1455810591;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409505 << what was this in re: to ? 1409554;1455810591;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 13:54:45; mircea_popescu: the inconvenient truth of the matter is that there isn't enough hope to go around to everyone ; and moreover that intelligence per se is a miserable predictor for this. 1409555;1455810654;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409517 << recall the thread re: eysenck's 'psychoticism trait' ? 1409556;1455810654;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 14:00:42; mircea_popescu: and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy. 1409557;1455810669;asciilifeform;!s eysenck 1409558;1455810670;assbot;7 results for 'eysenck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eysenck 1409559;1455810688;asciilifeform;anything that is an average of an aggregate tends to lack 'sharp edges' 1409560;1455810693;asciilifeform;aka not enough rng. 1409561;1455810786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00056723 = 38.7985 BTC [+] {3} 1409562;1455810905;BingoBoingo; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409033 << more than 7, where the fuck you gonna find that many brit lassies that aren't overweight and sober enough to stand ? << Universities get them visiting in groups sometimes. The missed the travel warning. 1409563;1455810905;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 04:28:05; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not a photoshop, taken in New England with a camera that sees time 7 years in advance. 1409564;1455810913;mircea_popescu;adlai i dun follow ? 1409565;1455811032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was re the entire marginal autistic child trapped in an adult body thing. 1409566;1455811061;adlai;mircea_popescu: as i understand it, 'alphago' is a system for training a go-move-scoring ANN against itself, from an initial seed of positions taken from human games. the product of this is a single instance which can play a game against a human, or itself, and "learn" - producing another instance of itself 1409567;1455811078;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/ << other case study, same navel grazer. 1409568;1455811080;assbot;The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIi3El ) 1409569;1455811095;mircea_popescu;adlai i didn't get the idea alphago was a single instance. 1409570;1455811163;adlai;the only possible hope I see for a surprise victory is if something qualitatively different happens once they seed the whole story with professional matches. the 'instance' (in the sense of (make-instance 'alphago), not in the sense of "machine") which beat Fan Hui was seeded off amateur games alone. 1409571;1455811169;mircea_popescu;my understanding, quite rudimentary i admit, is that instead of iterating through all possible single-move changes to the board, the machine iterates through "all commonly seen cluster-level changes to the board". 1409572;1455811171;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.35776456 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b43 1409573;1455811193;mircea_popescu;which is a cheap heuristic and likely to beat a good chunk of players. 1409574;1455811216;mircea_popescu;and the whole nn talk is just smoke and mirrors built atop that simple idea, basically. 1409575;1455811237;adlai;thus the navel gazing comment. it seems to me that alphago-which-beat-fanhui was analogous to an amateur who spent 1000 "human-years" of time playing against itself, and now has enough "spider sense" for macro-tactics to almost fake understanding strategy 1409576;1455811258;asciilifeform;adlai: this is actually sop in the machine-go business 1409577;1455811264;mircea_popescu;this is, afail, how most people deliberately taught go are taught go 1409578;1455811269;asciilifeform;whereby the whole thing is quite snore 1409579;1455811273;mircea_popescu;it's not necessarily a bad approach, i guess, but it doesn't make for a good player. 1409580;1455811309;adlai;the only unknown in the story is what happens when the seed set includes professional matches... my inkling so far is that amateur matches include good moves, professional matches include less bad ones 1409581;1455811328;asciilifeform;adlai: all training sets include pro matches 1409582;1455811336;asciilifeform;considering that you can get them by the GB ! 1409583;1455811347;mircea_popescu;(i don't believe in teaching go. which is to say - i do not believe there is a single thing you can say to a new player whicfh provably does more good than bad.) 1409584;1455811374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to say 'take this pile of life&death problem books and solve all 10,001 problems' is the only thing. 1409585;1455811376;adlai;discussion of alphago on several sites mentions hearsay-level evidence that the bot facing Fan Hui had only ever 'studied' amateur games, or its own games. 1409586;1455811404;adlai;iirc this is in the video. hang on. 1409587;1455811434;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: re: library life. In my picuture what do you think the dude was browsing for? Big library eans it takes time to find the nekkid. 1409588;1455811480;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://blog.ioactive.com/2016/02/remotely-disabling-wireless-burglar.html 1409589;1455811481;assbot;IOActive Labs Research: Remotely Disabling a Wireless Burglar Alarm ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIiYVn ) 1409590;1455811488;asciilifeform;'This simple vulnerability is particularly alarming because; 1) it exists within a “security product” that is trusted to secure over a million homes; 2) it enables an attacker to completely own the system (i.e., disable it, change PIN codes, etc.), and; 3) many unsuspecting consumers prominently display window and yards signs promoting their use of this system…essentially self-identifyi 1409591;1455811490;mircea_popescu;lol interesting take bb 1409592;1455811494;asciilifeform;ng their home as a viable target for an attacker.' 1409593;1455811495;adlai;ahh here. https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/43g2jl/synopsis_of_myungwan_kims_analysis_of_fan_hui_vs/czjbml1 1409594;1455811496;assbot;WilliamDhalgren comments on Synopsis of Myungwan Kim's analysis of Fan Hui vs AlphaGo Match X-post from r/MachineLearning ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIiZst ) 1409595;1455811513;asciilifeform;(link was an idiot 'shartup' burglar alarm thing) 1409596;1455811528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consumer level security is always an affair directed more at the neighbour's teenaged sons than anything. 1409597;1455811547;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm serious. Cool things happen near the compact shelving and study cages because the undergrads wonder who the fuck goes there. 1409598;1455811549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i disagree. it is directed at ~own head~ typically 1409599;1455811552;asciilifeform;placebocin. 1409600;1455811566;adlai;asciilifeform: hearsay traces back to the paper! the team claims not to seed with a single pro game. 1409601;1455811582;mircea_popescu;well also. 1409602;1455811603;adlai;this is apparently some point of pride for folks in the "the machine does everything, i just gave birth" crowd 1409603;1455811609;asciilifeform;adlai: these folks really itching for another 'ai winter' aren't they. 1409604;1455811620;mircea_popescu;adlai in principle, showing that "seed" from sewer or palace leads to the same result is ~= to proof the process is pure metaphysics. 1409605;1455811624;adlai;market goes up, market does down. AGI can't explain that! 1409606;1455811664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it's not that. it's that google is desperate for stuff to make the shareholders dream another year. 1409607;1455811684;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the game of musical chairs is that 10 trn imaginary tokens were distributed between three exactly identical slashdots such that two got > 99%. 1409608;1455811687;*;adlai waits for MIRI to close shop, concluding that from a purely utilitarian point of view, grey goo is really best for everyone involved 1409609;1455811705;mircea_popescu;simple thermodynamics requires this situation to destabilize over time. 1409610;1455811725;mircea_popescu;adlai not to mention what humans are ALREADY emulating. 1409611;1455811740;adlai;what's this? 1409612;1455811760;mircea_popescu;can you explain the difference between israel as it is and israel occupied by two feet tall grey goo ? 1409613;1455811785;adlai;is it jewishly democratic grey goo, or gooishly gray democratic judaism? 1409614;1455811797;mircea_popescu;neither. just... goos along. 1409615;1455811839;adlai;at least parlimentary democracies float up lulz like "Party for Men's Rights, and Those of Taxi Drivers" (rough translation) 1409616;1455811843;mircea_popescu;turns out in retrospect the only thing distinguishing humans and dog vomit was poor connectivity. once that was fixed... 1409617;1455811860;mircea_popescu;dog vomit makes fascinating patterns also! 1409618;1455812018;BingoBoingo;Diversify more, this message brought to you by Israel's favorite firm in Peoria http://www.catphones.com/en-gb 1409619;1455812034;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1409620;1455812038;gribble;Current Blocks: 399035 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 132 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 44 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1409621;1455812063;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1409622;1455812070;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 417.48, vol: 10146.31851898 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.572, vol: 8269.39513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 417.12, vol: 32020.16773577 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 0.04 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.659426, vol: 48422.20160000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 415.06, vol: 1077.88592961 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.333499, vol: 112.74535904 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1409623;1455812338;BingoBoingo;;;more 1409624;1455812339;gribble;422.839499393 1409625;1455812555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37394 @ 0.00056967 = 21.3022 BTC [+] 1409626;1455813766;mircea_popescu;o noes, btc going up! 1409627;1455813929;BingoBoingo;for srs, this started right the fuck after miners came around to vetoing classiccoin 1409628;1455813962;*;asciilifeform has 2 lamps on his dial: 'oh noez, my coinz are worthless' and 'suxx, i'll never afford any moar' 1409629;1455814047;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1409630;1455814049;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/16BNCE5.txt ) 1409631;1455814218;mircea_popescu;lol i had no idea alf had coinz. 1409632;1455814265;*;asciilifeform ~has~ a little of just about everything on the periodic table, and moar 1409633;1455814275;asciilifeform;just not enough to make any difference. 1409634;1455814300;mircea_popescu;not with that attitude. 1409635;1455814549;asciilifeform;it is difficult to avoid having some coin, i occasionally take it ~in~ but - other than bitbet - have nothing on which to use it 1409636;1455814590;peterl;use it on coinbr? 1409637;1455814617;asciilifeform;peterl: why the FUCK would i let it MELT 1409638;1455814634;asciilifeform;!s from:asciilifeform coinbr 1409639;1455814635;assbot;9 results for 'from:asciilifeform coinbr' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+coinbr 1409640;1455814660;peterl;the idea being if you trade well, you can beat the account fee 1409641;1455814680;mircea_popescu;now i get chinese language viagra spam referencing the putative sexual prowess of black people from africa. 1409642;1455814684;asciilifeform;and if i vegas well, i can beat the house in vegas, ahaha 1409643;1455814687;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck did the internet do to people. 1409644;1455814726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now you know! they harvest the lower horn of the bipedal african rhino... 1409645;1455814738;mircea_popescu;lmao 1409646;1455814742;peterl;and if you bitbet well, you beat the house, right? 1409647;1455814769;mircea_popescu;no but srsly... i tried to imagine little pancake faced people going "give it to me bish!" to little pancake faced people and nearly lost it. 1409648;1455814782;asciilifeform;peterl: i only play with stacked decks 1409649;1455814795;trinque;asciilifeform: so, other than clean nuking deps, what did you hate about the makefiles ? 1409650;1455814800;trinque;I may have some time to fiddle with that today. 1409651;1455814801;peterl;and bitbet is more stacked than coinbr? 1409652;1455814819;mircea_popescu;peterl can't the guy have a preference ? and then pass it off as reasonable ? 1409653;1455814831;trinque;they *do* call into the dependency makefiles recursively, aside from boost, which bjams 1409654;1455814834;peterl;aha, I understand, just poking the bear 1409655;1455814904;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409649 << there being > 1 of them. 1409656;1455814904;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 16:59:55; trinque: asciilifeform: so, other than clean nuking deps, what did you hate about the makefiles ? 1409657;1455814932;trinque;there was a thread about the folder structure I produced 1409658;1455814940;trinque;you're opposed to folders in a build tree having their own makefiles? 1409659;1455814955;asciilifeform;yes. 1409660;1455814970;asciilifeform;it is one thing if it is a heathen dep that pre-existed trb, e.g., boost 1409661;1455814982;asciilifeform;another if we're splitting things for no apparent reason 1409662;1455814990;asciilifeform;it intereferes with fits-in-head and therefore harmful. 1409663;1455815035;trinque;I can get behind the notion that limiting it to one puts pressure on keeping the make system small. 1409664;1455815044;asciilifeform;aha. 1409665;1455815082;trinque;ok, that all sounds fine 1409666;1455815272;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread, i often wonder what fraction of jurov's customers earn back the fee 1409667;1455815279;asciilifeform;i'ma guess it is few 1409668;1455815289;asciilifeform;most folks, as mircea_popescu wrote, want to 'feel like traders' 1409669;1455815296;asciilifeform;i do not need this for anything. 1409670;1455815436;asciilifeform;can't speak for others, but i call things that require daily sweat to keep from going to shit - 'jobs'. and i want ~fewer~ of these rather than moar. 1409671;1455815590;punkman;you buy 2k MPOE shares for 0.00055, you sell them at 0.00056, make enough for the fee. takes about 10 minutes every 6 months. 1409672;1455815611;asciilifeform;and if it doesn't n+0.00001 ? 1409673;1455815615;asciilifeform;then what ? 1409674;1455815620;punkman;you wait another month maybe 1409675;1455815628;asciilifeform;and what, fee is not charged ? 1409676;1455815635;punkman;so? 1409677;1455815639;asciilifeform;so you lose. 1409678;1455815648;asciilifeform;i can lose downstairs in the lottery machine. 1409679;1455815653;asciilifeform;don't need to spend the 10 min. 1409680;1455815656;asciilifeform;take 10 seconds. 1409681;1455815700;asciilifeform;and if i want to lose from my terminal, i can play dice. 1409682;1455815706;asciilifeform;also faster. 1409683;1455815735;punkman;+-0.00001 happens often enough, it's really not much trouble. 1409684;1455815740;asciilifeform;or i can go to the street and burn a pyre of money. it is moar fun. 1409685;1455815758;asciilifeform;punkman: did you ever actually calculate the EV or just handwaving ? 1409686;1455815767;punkman;what EV? 1409687;1455815772;asciilifeform;(and if you did, i'd be curious ~how~) 1409688;1455815802;mats;i wonder what jurov's revenue looks like 1409689;1455815821;trinque;hey jurov, how much money do you have? 1409690;1455815824;trinque;lol 1409691;1455815825;asciilifeform;l0l 1409692;1455815852;mats;0_o 1409693;1455815865;danielpbarron;i don't really look at my coinbr unless i see a trade cross a new price 1409694;1455816108;*;adlai wonders what s.mpoe's whiplash peak sigma looks like 1409695;1455816169;asciilifeform;punkman: understand, i will gamble once in a blue moon. but asking me to pay a MONTHLY subscription for access to a lottery machine, is lunacy. 1409696;1455816180;asciilifeform;i don't have to pay MONTHLY to ACCESS bitbet. 1409697;1455816195;adlai;"Account management fee is asked only from accounts that hold any BTC or any assets by 1st of current month" 1409698;1455816198;punkman;well I pay so I can "own" some shares, not to gamble 1409699;1455816210;asciilifeform;wtf is the point of that 1409700;1455816219;adlai;feeling like an owner! 1409701;1455816234;danielpbarron;ask shareholders of qntra over the last months what was the point? 1409702;1455816270;danielpbarron;i didn't sell any of the shares i earned for writing 1409703;1455816271;asciilifeform;i don't recall a qntra dividend . 1409704;1455816283;danielpbarron;i think a dividend is more like a consolation prize 1409705;1455816291;asciilifeform;the 'value so long as everybody doesn't sell' doesn't interest me a lick. 1409706;1455816292;punkman;asciilifeform: I was roped into it after kako and mp gifted me some bbet shares 1409707;1455816358;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: dividend is the only way to get continuous milk from the cow, instead of meat 1409708;1455816517;punkman;o hey my bbet dividend covered this month's fee 1409709;1455816638;punkman;and seems I got about 0.58 for my one qntra article's worth of shares, not bad 1409710;1455817460;adlai;arguably, now that bitbet is getting more advertising, punkman owns part of a brand; practically speaking, one can't buy the bitbet brand without enriching punkman a little (short of shorting s.bbet a lottle) 1409711;1455817561;danielpbarron;if we're gonna compare a stake in a company to a single cow.. it's quite the remarkable cow; one which you can add and remove meat easily without bothering the beast, and milk it too! 1409712;1455817750;shinohai;I should make a BitBet as to whether Donald Trumps sues Pope Francis over his comments today. 1409713;1455818127;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Rush Limbaugh is reporting he is being concilliatory at this point 1409714;1455818163;shinohai;heh 1409715;1455818323;BingoBoingo;What, do people not believe me when I suggest I supplement the powers of the internet with broadcast radio? 1409716;1455818998;deedbot-;[Qntra] Nth French Republic Officially Dumps Freedom - http://qntra.net/2016/02/nth-french-republic-officially-dumps-freedom/ 1409717;1455820668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19780 @ 0.00057348 = 11.3434 BTC [+] 1409718;1455820785;deedbot-;[Qntra] FTC Settles With Butterfly Labs, Suspended Penalties For Management - http://qntra.net/2016/02/ftc-settles-with-butterfly-labs-suspended-penalties-for-management/ 1409719;1455820964;BingoBoingo;In the end even USG scammed by BFL. 1409720;1455820997;BingoBoingo;Nearly 40 million in penalties settled for ~160 kilodollars 1409721;1455821086;linton_s_dawson;I thought about what may improve the TMSR infrastructure and figured that the logs themselves are somewhat difficult to navigate. "Catching up" with the logs means reading through the whole conversation until you stumble upon what matters. I.e. "a new patch was proposed" or "MP uncovered the next scam in the making". 1409722;1455821095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205916 @ 0.00056152 = 115.626 BTC [-] {3} 1409723;1455821095;danielpbarron;oh hey, no latertell needed. BingoBoingo : http://danielpbarron.com/eulora-qntra.asc.txt 1409724;1455821096;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OinyWa ) 1409725;1455821101;linton_s_dawson;It goes without saying that catching up with everything since the beginning (if you are new blood) is tiresome. You could use Search to find discussions on specific topics but will still miss something important. 1409726;1455821125;linton_s_dawson;So the idea is to create "The b-a chronicles" that will highlight important events/discussions/propositions with links to the context. Catching up will boil down to picking a specific date and seeing what happened on that day in a simple manner with links to the context. 1409727;1455821155;peterl;it's like syncing the blockchain, it takes forever, and you have to keep connected once you do catch up 1409728;1455821162;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: ty, can't promise it'll go up immediately 1409729;1455821188;danielpbarron;no rush, and maybe you'll need to scold me for doing some strange things with html; I'm not sure what my limits are exactly 1409730;1455821206;peterl;linton_s_dawson there have been several suggested ways to summarize logs, but nobody has taken the time/put in the effort yet 1409731;1455821216;punkman;linton_s_dawson: topic of log summaries comes up often, nobody delivers 1409732;1455821259;peterl;it seems like something that would require active management to keep it up to date 1409733;1455821271;linton_s_dawson;The questions is whether it can be automated or done by contributors. 1409734;1455821353;punkman;are you gonna train some neural network? 1409735;1455821372;linton_s_dawson;If done properly it may get enough traffic to earn from advertisement? And then distribute earnings to contributors. 1409736;1455821412;peterl;advertising revenue is a bad business model 1409737;1455821413;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Looks like
is missing. deweird the html and resubmit 1409738;1455821453;linton_s_dawson;peterl at this stage most defnitely. 1409739;1455821459;peterl;sounds like a way to make pennies per hour (if you are lucky) 1409740;1455821480;danielpbarron;blockquote where? I see it in the correct place on my end 1409741;1455821484;punkman;I can see a summary subscription thing making some money eventually 1409742;1455821492;danielpbarron;the weirdness is that i put a block quote in a list item in an ordered list 1409743;1455821499;danielpbarron;in a footnote 1409744;1455821508;peterl;not just at this stage. We need to get away from the advertising revenue model, cause it sucks 1409745;1455821511;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: over the giant chunk of logs 1409746;1455821518;linton_s_dawson;punkman like a paid mailing list 1409747;1455821539;punkman;sure 1409748;1455821560;danielpbarron;well the ordered list isn't logs, it's a list of links to the log, the text of the link is a number 1409749;1455821568;linton_s_dawson;peterl, I agree 1409750;1455821730;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: nevermind, found the tags 1409751;1455821746;BingoBoingo;I'll mess with the html 1409752;1455822150;deedbot-;[Qntra] Growing Bitcoin Game Hits High for Single Day Play-Seconds - http://qntra.net/2016/02/growing-bitcoin-game-hits-high-for-single-day-play-seconds/ 1409753;1455822478;danielpbarron;oh hm, I guess I need
s in the blockquote? Or is there an attribute to force it to respect line returns? 1409754;1455822530;peterl;
 ?
1409755;1455822549;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: it works as it. In the future, just avoid nesting quotes in lists
1409756;1455822635;danielpbarron;k
1409757;1455823444;asciilifeform;http://hackaday.com/2015/07/29/review-single-board-65c02-and-65c816-computers << vintage lulz. check out the monkeys in the comments - 'this suxx! not modern!111 not arm!11 no pr0gr3ss!'
1409758;1455823447;assbot;Review: Single Board 65C02 and 65C816 Computers | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1WuiiEV )
1409759;1455823901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31344 @ 0.00056802 = 17.804 BTC [+] {3} 
1409760;1455823962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32006 @ 0.00057379 = 18.3647 BTC [+]
1409761;1455824337;asciilifeform;http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/32886/why-does-the-fbi-ask-apple-for-help-to-decrypt-an-iphone << in other lulz.
1409762;1455824338;assbot;key derivation - Why does the FBI ask Apple for help to decrypt an iPhone? - Cryptography Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1WuksV8 )
1409763;1455824514;jurov;he named it "the government in session": http://www.mordor.sk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Ujo_Sochar.jpg
1409764;1455824901;ben_vulpes; ;;later tell linton_s_dawson a robust thread-tracker would be very nice.
1409765;1455824901;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://ftp.mcs.anl.gov/pub/qed/archive/209 << interesting re: 'v mathematics' (or rather, what happens without)
1409766;1455824901;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUTnfV )
1409767;1455824901;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1409768;1455824926;mircea_popescu;"Dream-Cash.com Webmaster2:11 pm 9.7 KiBTeenDreams.com: New Tube Style Tour!"
1409769;1455824927;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how do you picture this working ?
1409770;1455824929;mircea_popescu;fancy that.
1409771;1455824929;ben_vulpes;imagine logs as forum threads, where a link to a previous log line bumps the whole thread
1409772;1455824944;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lossily
1409773;1455824950;ben_vulpes;but it'd be a starting place.
1409774;1455825541;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409689 << not enough!
1409775;1455825541;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 17:17:01; trinque: hey jurov, how much money do you have?
1409776;1455825659;jurov;but hoepfully i'm learning from mircea how to project :D
1409777;1455825706;mircea_popescu;apparently it works!
1409778;1455825717;mod6;asciilifeform: interesting email
1409779;1455825786;asciilifeform;mod6: it was a fascinating case of 'prb-ization'
1409780;1455825848;mod6;mmhm
1409781;1455825878;mod6;how do you even find these gems?
1409782;1455825879;mod6;lol
1409783;1455825978;*;mircea_popescu gotta get to the email erryone's talking of.
1409784;1455825982;mircea_popescu;i feel so left out!
1409785;1455826024;mircea_popescu;[Qntra] Nth French Republic << such competent dig :D
1409786;1455826120;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409718 << now you know who was pushing the scam.
1409787;1455826120;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 18:39:45; deedbot-: [Qntra] FTC Settles With Butterfly Labs, Suspended Penalties For Management - http://qntra.net/2016/02/ftc-settles-with-butterfly-labs-suspended-penalties-for-management/
1409788;1455826139;mircea_popescu;damned 'ndrangheta half owns new york by this point.
1409789;1455826151;mircea_popescu;wtf bullshit togo of a country you got there asciilifeform !
1409790;1455826164;asciilifeform;as if it was not obvious who pushed on day 1 ?
1409791;1455826172;asciilifeform;who pushes every blade of grass in usa.
1409792;1455826208;asciilifeform;the great inca pushes every turd that leaves the arse of every llama.
1409793;1455826222;mircea_popescu;heh
1409794;1455826477;punkman;"Out of a 38,615,161 United States dollar judgment against the firm and  Sonny Vleisides the firm is to pay 15,000 and Sonny Vleisides is to pay  4,000." << so they only have to pay $20k out of the $38 mil?
1409795;1455826531;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/02/ftc-settles-with-butterfly-labs-suspended-penalties-for-management/#comment-46670 << /me ever so less inclined to give force to us legalistic verbiage.
1409796;1455826533;assbot;FTC Settles With Butterfly Labs, Suspended Penalties For Management | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUW9lA )
1409797;1455826605;asciilifeform;punkman: didja miss the 'and all the btc' part ?
1409798;1455826667;mircea_popescu;let's not forget that sonny vleisides is a convicted  'ndrangheta captain, who was doing business while on parole in violation of the terms
1409799;1455826672;mircea_popescu;facts which were apparently not mentioned.
1409800;1455826707;*;mircea_popescu is too lazy to fish the thing out from the forum where he is going to "answer any questions", mpoe-pr asks a few and that's the last he's heard from, ever, in any btc anything.
1409801;1455826795;punkman;asciilifeform: "and all the btc" only from the chick though
1409802;1455826859;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409721 << the project to summarize the logs has been long proposed, no serious takers as of yet.
1409803;1455826859;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 18:44:46; linton_s_dawson: I thought about what may improve the TMSR infrastructure and figured that the logs themselves are somewhat difficult to navigate. "Catching up" with the logs means reading through the whole conversation until you stumble upon what matters. I.e. "a new patch was proposed" or "MP uncovered the next scam in the making".
1409804;1455826866;punkman;btw did they refund any btc from unfulfilled preorders?
1409805;1455826888;mircea_popescu;heh.
1409806;1455826925;mircea_popescu;this is the most scandalous thing i ever heard. ten thousand hollow posturings with imaginary criminals manufacturer out of derpy us teenagers won't wash this humiliation.
1409807;1455826941;mircea_popescu;the us bent over and took it in the ass from a bunch of marginally literate calabrese peasants of vague greek ethnicity.
1409808;1455826986;mircea_popescu;the sale at public auction without reserve of a bahamas daughter does not compare.
1409809;1455827256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91631 @ 0.00055788 = 51.1191 BTC [-] {4} 
1409810;1455827298;mircea_popescu;see alf, odds are i'll move to palo alto for a free raping and looting monthlong session, end up having to pay a parking fine. you however will go down for 775 consecutive life sentences of a crow + 412 consecutive life sentences of a parrot for being a criminal in your criminal ways that include nothing in particular.
1409811;1455827300;mircea_popescu;fair is fair.
1409812;1455827321;asciilifeform;well obviously.
1409813;1455827334;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409733 << not another ideas man ;/
1409814;1455827334;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 18:47:51; linton_s_dawson: The questions is whether it can be automated or done by contributors.
1409815;1455827368;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-07-2015#1210529
1409816;1455827368;assbot;Logged on 23-07-2015 04:01:30; mircea_popescu: trinque as a boy, i was very distraught to find from my mother that if one invents something, he doesn't merely have to say what it should be
1409817;1455827401;asciilifeform;i recall this magic moment also.
1409818;1455827469;punkman;!up raedah
1409819;1455827616;mircea_popescu;http://ftp.mcs.anl.gov/pub/qed/archive/209 << interesting enough, but the (single) example given is miserably weak in the context of the quote.
1409820;1455827617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUTnfV )
1409821;1455827629;mircea_popescu;really, a fascist derp shat in his profession ? never heard of!
1409822;1455827691;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dug for more detail, but the written material on the subj as such appears to be very scarce.
1409823;1455827718;mircea_popescu;the selection effect is quite active, esp in the older days.
1409824;1455827807;asciilifeform;selection effect ?
1409825;1455827869;mircea_popescu;"people don't remember false proofs of false theorems because htye do not wish to"
1409826;1455827898;asciilifeform;but in this case, they remembered...
1409827;1455827915;asciilifeform;i have the complete works of lysenko on my shelf.
1409828;1455827917;asciilifeform;for instance.
1409829;1455827931;mircea_popescu;saving for inspiration later ? :D
1409830;1455827937;asciilifeform;l0lz
1409831;1455827962;mircea_popescu;"back when i was you8nger and i put out valid results i made aneffort, but now that i'm old and publishing rank nonsense anyway, why bother ? i just copy it!"
1409832;1455827986;asciilifeform;this is, afaik, sop in academitard land
1409833;1455828022;mircea_popescu;aha
1409834;1455828857;shinohai;!s http://truthinmedia.com/mcafee-will-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-free/
1409835;1455828860;assbot;McAfee: I Will Decrypt Information on the San Bernardino Phone For Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1SCGE11 )
1409836;1455828861;assbot;0 results for 'http://truthinmedia.com/mcafee-will-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-free/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthinmedia.com%2Fmcafee-will-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-free%2F
1409837;1455828979;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ted Cruz will be the Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1246/ted-cruz-will-be-the-republicans-2016-presidential/#b13
1409838;1455829011;shinohai;#xanaxhigh
1409839;1455829203;mircea_popescu;dude's been chasing the news van for years now
1409840;1455829289;jurov;and bitbet finally got another banner? a bit gnarly, tho
1409841;1455829354;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/02/growing-bitcoin-game-hits-high-for-single-day-play-seconds/ << ftr item 7 in that footnote appears like an unreadable pile. amd is there a footnote 2 ? seems to go 1 and then 3.
1409842;1455829355;assbot;Growing Bitcoin Game Hits High for Single Day Play-Seconds | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wuv2LR )
1409843;1455829382;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/CgtUsq8.jpg
1409844;1455829383;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wuv1r8 )
1409845;1455833373;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1409846;1455833477;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell cazalla Have you tried morphine for your pain? It is possible to maintain a habit and be productive (ex: William Halsted).
1409847;1455833478;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1409848;1455833501;trinque;uh. lol
1409849;1455833513;trinque;or you could hit the gym and eat well, sleep some
1409850;1455833549;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell cazalla Also, why not just leave Aus? Take a boat to BA or Montevideo. Don't come back.
1409851;1455833549;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1409852;1455833685;BingoBoingo; "Out of a 38,615,161 United States dollar judgment against the firm and  Sonny Vleisides the firm is to pay 15,000 and Sonny Vleisides is to pay  4,000." << so they only have to pay $20k out of the $38 mil? << Yes, then Jody/Dora the explorer has to pay either $XXX,XXX or Bitcorns
1409853;1455833846;BingoBoingo; punkman: didja miss the 'and all the btc' part ? << "OR" all the btc of the unprotected defendant
1409854;1455833881;punkman;not even all the btc, only the btc mined on company equipment
1409855;1455833894;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it doesn't painkill when you habit.
1409856;1455833920;asciilifeform;and i presume that if he could leave au, he would.
1409857;1455833974;gabriel_laddel;just hop on a cruise ship and don't get back on when they leave the port
1409858;1455833981;gabriel_laddel;the total price is like 1k
1409859;1455833993;asciilifeform;and eat out of garbage cans until dies ?
1409860;1455834003;gabriel_laddel;get a job?
1409861;1455834019;gabriel_laddel;MP has already reported that idiots in BA don't hustle on weekends. Hustle on weekends
1409862;1455834053;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: how come you aren't in ba hustling on weekends ?
1409863;1455834056;asciilifeform;(or are you)
1409864;1455834077;gabriel_laddel;I have a few obligations to take care of here in the US first.
1409865;1455834607;asciilifeform;!up gabrielradio
1409866;1455834657;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel he's married, and with a kid on the way.
1409867;1455834701;gabriel_laddel;I could have sworn you had a post in which the conclusion was "bring them along".
1409868;1455834714;gabriel_laddel;So 2k in total for tickets now...
1409869;1455834730;mircea_popescu;boat tickets ?
1409870;1455834737;gabriel_laddel;ya
1409871;1455834770;ben_vulpes;about to have 2 kids actually
1409872;1455834774;ben_vulpes;adding one
1409873;1455834804;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel> MP has already reported that idiots in BA don't hustle on weekends. Hustle on weekends  <<< this is actually a killer plan.
1409874;1455834817;mircea_popescu;pretty much anyone can make bank here, given that these people can be readily approximated with plants.
1409875;1455834828;asciilifeform;waiwut
1409876;1455834831;asciilifeform;doing what
1409877;1455834836;mircea_popescu;hustling.
1409878;1455834853;asciilifeform;buycheap/selldear ?
1409879;1455834865;phf;business
1409880;1455834865;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: better move quickly then.
1409881;1455834874;mircea_popescu;hustling. it's a thing, like programming. "pushing buttons on a keyboard all day ?" myeah, somethinglikethat.,
1409882;1455834904;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: the original mention was of currency changers iirc
1409883;1455834951;mircea_popescu;one of the guys i was working with had made his original capital selling plastic toys in the street.
1409884;1455834952;phf;(illustration re business http://img1.tfilm.me/data/screen/or/1275-002.jpg)
1409885;1455834985;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> adding one << hey! 'grats!
1409886;1455834988;mircea_popescu;why's them dudes look so georgian
1409887;1455834994;mircea_popescu;mod6 not him, cazalla
1409888;1455835007;mod6;ah, my bad. thx Mr. P.
1409889;1455835194;mircea_popescu;in magna cum laude news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/dc1ba95a959f60f9411b892c2bd2535d/tumblr_mwfi90IXis1qddd4so1_1280.jpg
1409890;1455835196;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub6rge )
1409891;1455835218;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1409892;1455835282;ben_vulpes;mod6: not me, caz
1409893;1455835289;mircea_popescu;too slow.
1409894;1455835292;mod6;yah, my bad ben_vulpes
1409895;1455835311;ben_vulpes;dun get me wrong imma get a whole litter here sooner or later
1409896;1455835317;ben_vulpes;get a caravan
1409897;1455835326;mod6;:]
1409898;1455835333;mircea_popescu;why do all you people have multiple kids with the same woman ? doesn't it stand to reason ...
1409899;1455835335;ben_vulpes;live as an itinerant website mender
1409900;1455835356;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: because i can't stand many others?
1409901;1455835362;phf;send your kids to train stops to make some extra cash begging
1409902;1455835365;mod6;dads who drive minivans are the most aggressive drivers on the imho
1409903;1455835372;mod6;haha
1409904;1455835373;mircea_popescu;ah that's a point.
1409905;1455835377;phf;oh different kind of caravan
1409906;1455835379;ben_vulpes;mod6: i mean caravan figuratively
1409907;1455835384;mod6;ah, werd.
1409908;1455835410;ben_vulpes;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e6/f8/bf/e6f8bfe5c716f905bcae70457a616bee.jpg << maybe
1409909;1455835411;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HoQBh )
1409910;1455835430;mircea_popescu;itinerant website mender, the v2.0 of itinerant metal shit mender.
1409911;1455835448;phf;ben_vulpes: https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2805/8768423348_d5dff5d54b_z.jpg
1409912;1455835449;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HoSsY )
1409913;1455835460;ben_vulpes;phf: pretty much the plan
1409914;1455835468;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu gets it
1409915;1455835473;mircea_popescu;the [cara]van, poor man's dirigible!
1409916;1455835486;ben_vulpes;poor and happy
1409917;1455835496;ben_vulpes;with a whole brood of thieving children to live off
1409918;1455835496;mod6;except in traffic
1409919;1455835519;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes laugh but it's probably the best plan someone living in the us could come up with.
1409920;1455835546;mircea_popescu;course i have nfi why anyone involved in that would select women by other criteria than fertility.
1409921;1455835547;ben_vulpes;http://www.designclaud.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/van-02.jpg
1409922;1455835548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HoXga )
1409923;1455835553;mircea_popescu;then again i'm merely an apprentice gypsy.
1409924;1455835563;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do you see me laughing?
1409925;1455835571;ben_vulpes;i've just come to terms with the inevitable future
1409926;1455835581;ben_vulpes;phf: right, exactly
1409927;1455835600;ben_vulpes;fertility, huh? how'd you go about selecting for that mircea_popescu ?
1409928;1455835602;phf;i was at a "van life" talk at burning man, and womens there were certainly selected for their fertility
1409929;1455835616;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes with the included tool.
1409930;1455835634;ben_vulpes;http://only-carz.com/data_images/gallery/02/gmc-camper-van/gmc-camper-van-08.jpg << DOPE
1409931;1455835635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20Hp3EC )
1409932;1455835648;ben_vulpes;https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eufFSpXNfQs/maxresdefault.jpg << assault caravan
1409933;1455835649;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20Hp5wg )
1409934;1455835677;mircea_popescu;you know the rule, for to be a marrigeable young gypsy fellow, do you ?
1409935;1455835679;BingoBoingo;In the day's latest lolzception related to alf's early link, but with far more layers of laff http://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/02/18/1522219/meet-linuxs-little-brother-zephyr-a-tiny-open-source-iot-rtos
1409936;1455835681;assbot;Meet Linux's Little Brother Zephyr, a Tiny Open Source IoT RTOS - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub6WHo )
1409937;1455835693;ben_vulpes;no i do not
1409938;1455835699;ben_vulpes;they don't educate gypsies about anything
1409939;1455835703;ben_vulpes;http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=274052&d=1425648934&thumb=1 << another assault van
1409940;1455835704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub6VTA )
1409941;1455835711;mircea_popescu;"be able to manufacture any part of the [cara]van. here's this dull axe. forest's that way."
1409942;1455835735;mircea_popescu;can't do that, no poon for ya.
1409943;1455835782;ben_vulpes;trick question, just go steal one
1409944;1455835815;mircea_popescu;lol. methinks your notions of gypohood may be a tad informed by entertainymedia.
1409945;1455835839;ben_vulpes;they don't educate impoverished usians either!
1409946;1455835846;phf;the thing that was in few years back-- vw type 2 conversions for road life, i.e. gutting insides, putting offroad suspension. i know at least two people who's been living like that past few years
1409947;1455835850;mircea_popescu;you go steal one, the guy you stole it from [who is better than you by simple virtue of he having one you don't] tracks you down, and what are you going to do to him and his five brothers ?
1409948;1455835855;mircea_popescu;service six cocks expertly ?
1409949;1455835874;phf;http://40.media.tumblr.com/60c2285f1ce76db0d0af0154f06a6e59/tumblr_nz3u93Scsi1r3yj8do5_1280.jpg
1409950;1455835875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub74q7 )
1409951;1455835914;mircea_popescu;incidentally, ever seen crna macka, beli macor ben_vulpes ?
1409952;1455835964;ben_vulpes;no, any good?
1409953;1455835976;mircea_popescu;relevant for your current interests.
1409954;1455836004;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409949   <<< rape van?
1409955;1455836004;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 22:51:14; phf: http://40.media.tumblr.com/60c2285f1ce76db0d0af0154f06a6e59/tumblr_nz3u93Scsi1r3yj8do5_1280.jpg
1409956;1455836031;mircea_popescu;that guy looks like he'd have a small penis.
1409957;1455836095;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: typical usian cow is more enchained by thinking it's necessary to have a car than a better person for having one
1409958;1455836100;ben_vulpes;similar to the college degree thing
1409959;1455836115;ben_vulpes;such from us institutions now an actual liability on resumes
1409960;1455836128;phf;shinohai: not the connotation in those circles
1409961;1455836135;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the tiny-os-that-is-oh-so-impressive-until-you-actually-want-to-run-programs is old hat.
1409962;1455836147;ben_vulpes;shinohai: too many windows
1409963;1455836148;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Note who offered it
1409964;1455836160;BingoBoingo;That is where the real lulz lie
1409965;1455836216;asciilifeform;i still want to know why torvalds refuses to enforce his trademark
1409966;1455836222;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i dun think so much enchained by thinking car is necessary as fully aware that without a car she has to know how to do a whole raft of things.
1409967;1455836278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he had a sit-down with chris ballas and theo de raadt, and they agreed to be good boys and eat the creampie.
1409968;1455836285;mircea_popescu;( see http://trilema.com/2015/the-quest-and-its-resolution/#selection-89.78-89.153 re creampie.)
1409969;1455836286;assbot;The quest ; and its resolution on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub7iNZ )
1409970;1455836316;asciilifeform;i dun get it still.
1409971;1455836317;asciilifeform;WHY
1409972;1455836322;phf;http://41.media.tumblr.com/a56328b796869c572645922fd23acbdf/tumblr_mr3y05fMx81r1yycro1_1280.jpg < van life
1409973;1455836323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ub7hd6 )
1409974;1455836359;mircea_popescu;do you get the part where if you add much more yellow than blue you don't get green but chartruse ?
1409975;1455836369;mircea_popescu;too much mothering, no fathering, what why ?
1409976;1455836449;*;ben_vulpes was not expecting that from phf
1409977;1455836468;mircea_popescu;do you two know each other ibl ?
1409978;1455836528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22801 @ 0.00056747 = 12.9389 BTC [+] {2} 
1409979;1455836564;ben_vulpes;mnope
1409980;1455836585;ben_vulpes;expectations stemmed from previous topic
1409981;1455836589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54371 @ 0.00057122 = 31.0578 BTC [+] {2} 
1409982;1455836745;phf;actually one van dweller i knew was this nasty, 60 year old hippie dude, sort of ram das like character. i think all he did was cruise from one west coast hot spring to another. he would always have an utterly zonkered, 20 year old, supermodel looking girl in his van, every time i'd run into him, a different one.
1409983;1455836816;mircea_popescu;pretty sad huh.
1409984;1455836897;ben_vulpes;better than biodiesel!
1409985;1455836898;phf;i don't know what to think about it. my reaction every time is exactly "huh"
1409986;1455836910;phf;"huh." rather
1409987;1455836939;mircea_popescu;to my eyes it's sorta like the pedo dude who spends a summer to dig a hole in the dirt where to keep 12 yos.
1409988;1455836958;mircea_popescu;turn it any way you want - you're still digging in the dirt with your hands. there's gotta be a better use of one's time.
1409989;1455841164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00057115 = 31.299 BTC [-]
1409990;1455841369;punkman;mircea_popescu: last link scrolls down the page, but no highlight whatsoever
1409991;1455842711;mircea_popescu;god damned web
1409992;1455842994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77750 @ 0.00057394 = 44.6238 BTC [+] {2} 
1409993;1455843970;punkman;http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2016/02/17/software-detects-ceo-emotions-predicts-financial-performance/
1409994;1455843971;assbot;Software Detects CEO Emotions, Predicts Financial Performance - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYpOat )
1409995;1455844397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84950 @ 0.00057436 = 48.7919 BTC [+] {2} 
1409996;1455847458;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it can also play go with the ceo.
1409997;1455847529;asciilifeform;l0l!
1409998;1455847619;mircea_popescu;maybe it could not only detect ceo emotions and play go with it,
1409999;1455847622;mircea_popescu;but also suck his cock
1410000;1455847639;mircea_popescu;behold alf, pygmallion made his woman, at long last!
1410001;1455847643;mircea_popescu;her name is aiee.
1410002;1455847707;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8dldLG_ZhI
1410003;1455847708;assbot;Weird Science (2/12) Movie CLIP - Making a Girl (1985) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwgpSl )
1410004;1455847716;mircea_popescu;meanwhile there's literally one million life coaching/business tecniques/seductionining/blabla "experts" that'll teach anyone how to be a mega everything + successful.
1410005;1455847743;mircea_popescu;it's almost like living in the greek world cca right before the barbarians took over, nobody does anything except rhetorics coaching.
1410006;1455847811;asciilifeform;i thought it was nobody does anything but pasture and a couplea pederasts rhetorize
1410007;1455847836;mircea_popescu;same thing.
1410008;1455847875;asciilifeform;incidentally when i unearthed a pile of '30s-'50s american popular whatever-the-fuck-mechanics american magazines, they were full of ads for same
1410009;1455847947;mircea_popescu;yeah, but back then there was a significant commercial and liberal professional class that kept it at bay, and a large contingent of ex soldiers, ie, people with direct experience.
1410010;1455847964;mircea_popescu;nowadays, anglo world is pretty much entirely made out of people who read about things ; and usually on retardopedia.
1410011;1455847967;asciilifeform;no shortage of ex-soldiers today
1410012;1455847973;mircea_popescu;quite the shortage.
1410013;1455848004;mircea_popescu;compare the number of people who sat in a trench cca 1950 with the number of people who sat in a trench today (ie, 0 - and no, air conditioned crapola doesn't count.)
1410014;1455848042;asciilifeform;among the folks i work with is a fella who sat in, i believe, a genuine trench
1410015;1455848073;asciilifeform;but granted, this is the exception.
1410016;1455848211;cazalla;;; later tell gabriel_laddel is morphine paleo or what? seriously though, seems terrible advice for most people, don't see how it'd be anything other than a short term solution leading to bigger problems
1410017;1455848212;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1410018;1455848224;mircea_popescu;in other news, i'm kinda curious to see how long until a brave psychologist comes up with the interesting theory that overmotivation produces more stress than anything else, and overselfconfidence produces derealization more than anything else. "i know how to resolve the epidemic of stress+derealization! demotivate and undermine confidence in people!!1"
1410019;1455848247;cazalla;and apologies for drunken antics last night, had been quite a while since imbibing
1410020;1455848264;mircea_popescu;(ftr derealization is the psychotic situation of the mind that imagines wikipedia is relevant.)
1410021;1455848439;mircea_popescu;cazalla gotta be careful with teh hate speech, isn't it illegal in australia ?
1410022;1455848494;cazalla;yeah, hence waking up thinking what did i say lol
1410023;1455848500;mircea_popescu;in other automotive news, some dudes found some lost ais! http://45.media.tumblr.com/7395a7aed479216b428b227839d80468/tumblr_n7e3e6zO7M1qlne6uo1_400.gif
1410024;1455848503;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/24dpWcr )
1410025;1455848521;gabrielradio;;;later tell pete_dushenski hey pete, here's the pimping guide, imma handle the other requests too http://www.radio.gg/how-to-be-a-pimp-a-simple-comprehensible-and-exhaustive-guide/
1410026;1455848522;assbot;How to be a pimp – a simple, comprehensible and exhaustive guide – radio.gg ... ( http://bit.ly/24dpYkN )
1410027;1455848522;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1410028;1455848577;*;mircea_popescu looks, no trackback. damn wordpress is next to useless.
1410029;1455848589;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio does it say it's sent ?
1410030;1455848631;gabrielradio;lemme see
1410031;1455848683;mircea_popescu;also, much better about page. name, pic, pgp key. a cv even won't hurt.
1410032;1455848688;mircea_popescu;!rated gabrielradio
1410033;1455848688;assbot;You rated user gabrielradio on 14-Oct-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Apprentice Trilema translator..
1410034;1455848744;gabrielradio;roger that
1410035;1455848771;mircea_popescu;oh and - consider giving eulora a try ? huge demand for noobs atm, can make a satoshi or two rather easily.
1410036;1455848861;gabrielradio;yea, i should probably wander a bit more there too
1410037;1455848895;gabrielradio;then again, i should probably wander a bit more irl too. maybe to buenos aires for some mp mentoring :D
1410038;1455848911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00057157 = 17.9759 BTC [-]
1410039;1455848916;mircea_popescu;ha
1410040;1455849582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100100 @ 0.00056958 = 57.015 BTC [-] {3} 
1410041;1455850192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 387348 @ 0.00056544 = 219.0221 BTC [-] {3} 
1410042;1455850558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80350 @ 0.00056112 = 45.086 BTC [-]
1410043;1455850802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98500 @ 0.00057291 = 56.4316 BTC [+] {2} 
1410044;1455851129;phf;i just got a word document with a virus in it. i didn't know this was still a thing
1410045;1455851249;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbiyhGsUYAAOxqK.jpg:large >> 69-11 NEVER FORGET!
1410046;1455851250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HJ5ih )
1410047;1455851596;pete_dushenski;gabrielradio: cheers! and wd on the blog in general. looking forward to more
1410048;1455851619;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "giving her a choice in how pay her penalty." << ftc piece
1410049;1455851682;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: fxd
1410050;1455851699;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409720 << just nuts eh
1410051;1455851699;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 18:43:17; BingoBoingo: Nearly 40 million in penalties settled for ~160 kilodollars
1410052;1455851705;pete_dushenski;well, peanuts
1410053;1455851727;BingoBoingo;Exactly, scamnuts, because they are really just fucking beans.
1410054;1455851768;pete_dushenski;plant em, climb em, steal golden harp, repeat.
1410055;1455851779;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409735 << megalol
1410056;1455851779;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 18:49:32; linton_s_dawson: If done properly it may get enough traffic to earn from advertisement? And then distribute earnings to contributors.
1410057;1455851812;pete_dushenski;b-a ~already~ tops googbot charts
1410058;1455851833;BingoBoingo; among the folks i work with is a fella who sat in, i believe, a genuine trench << Decline was from double digit portion of the poplution to low single digits
1410059;1455851940;phf;fwiw when i posted patches url here, had googbot crawling the pages within ~minutes~
1410060;1455851978;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Where did that come from?
1410061;1455852084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 272984 @ 0.00056595 = 154.4953 BTC [-] {3} 
1410062;1455852140;danielpbarron;found on twatter
1410063;1455852216;BingoBoingo;ic
1410064;1455852539;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409898 << what perhaps stands to reason is that some of us can't do better ;/
1410065;1455852539;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 22:42:13; mircea_popescu: why do all you people have multiple kids with the same woman ? doesn't it stand to reason ...
1410066;1455852683;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409916 <<
1410067;1455852683;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 22:44:46; ben_vulpes: poor and happy
1410068;1455852683;pete_dushenski;'Poor and content is rich and rich enough, But riches fineless is as poor as winter To him that ever fears he shall be poor.'
1410069;1455852700;phf;BingoBoingo: i think that's johnny ryan, he just generally does shock comics
1410070;1455852729;BingoBoingo;ah
1410071;1455852755;phf;shit like https://www.vice.com/read/check-out-the-hottest-new-tv-shows-of-2015-0000560-v22n1
1410072;1455852756;assbot;Check Out the Hottest New TV Shows of 2015! | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/20HKbue )
1410073;1455852832;pete_dushenski;'http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409930 << mega-classic
1410074;1455853055;BingoBoingo;phf: So when can we expect you to make your qntra debut?
1410075;1455853112;pete_dushenski;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Dynamixion_car_by_Buckminster_Fuller_1933_%28side_views%29.jpg << though if you want a family hauler that's truly special, it's hard to beat the dymaxion, even if it's a bit of a, shall we say, tricky steet
1410076;1455853113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HKnd9 )
1410077;1455853372;phf;at some point, when i have something to write about. i would've liked to do minsky eulogy for example, but i knew very little about the guy
1410078;1455853395;pete_dushenski;http://photovalet.com/data/comps/VBS/VBSV01P08_16B.0168.jpg << if you need to escape usistan across the bering straight, this is your ticket.
1410079;1455853396;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20HKzZV )
1410080;1455853423;mod6;haha
1410081;1455853456;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://fullerdomehome.org/about << I have no idea if they actually got Bucky's house out of crates and reassembled it yet.
1410082;1455853457;assbot;About - The RBF Dome Home in Carbondale, Illinois ... ( http://bit.ly/20HKDZA )
1410083;1455853493;BingoBoingo;note: picture on that page is not Bucky's house, but SIU arena.
1410084;1455853540;BingoBoingo;Seriously though House that readily fits in crates is awfully portable. Live like a modern mongolian.
1410085;1455853554;pete_dushenski;yurtlyf!
1410086;1455853714;phf;there's also hexayurt, which is a bit more practical then geodesic dome
1410087;1455853758;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: picture if he lived today... usenet crackpottery, drink, early grave?
1410088;1455853793;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409946 << you are a well connected fellow arentcha ;)
1410089;1455853793;assbot;Logged on 18-02-2016 22:50:46; phf: the thing that was in few years back-- vw type 2 conversions for road life, i.e. gutting insides, putting offroad suspension. i know at least two people who's been living like that past few years
1410090;1455853818;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Depends on when he came of age today. Perhaps google blogspot crackpottery followed by IRC drink, then grave?
1410091;1455856335;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410048 << 'how much is penalty?' 'Not how much, but how many, penalty is in number of mountings!' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)
1410092;1455856335;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 03:13:39; pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: "giving her a choice in how pay her penalty." << ftc piece
1410093;1455856634;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: do you mind if i ask what you pay for your baltic dedi box and what its specs are ?
1410094;1455856665;pete_dushenski;46.166.165.30 that is
1410095;1455856666;mircea_popescu;phf> fwiw when i posted patches url here, had googbot crawling the pages within ~minutes~ << yeah, trilema is well loved, by now rubbed off on qntra and b-a log, if you keep quality venue (by text and frequency, i dun think i have to explain what is machine-quality, just watch the go player thing) it'll rub off further, guaranteed.
1410096;1455856672;mircea_popescu;which is part of why "keep blogs".
1410097;1455856701;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you recall, that's the 1/4 tb ram thing that was going to phuctor
1410098;1455856705;mircea_popescu;spoeaking of which alf...
1410099;1455856717;pete_dushenski;o.O
1410100;1455856728;pete_dushenski;i didn't realise that they were one and the same
1410101;1455856751;pete_dushenski;then i'm already aware of the specs and that it costs ~1btc/mo ;/
1410102;1455856927;mircea_popescu;a shade under.
1410103;1455856960;mircea_popescu;but considering i own computers that have less hdd...
1410104;1455857127;pete_dushenski;btc is also up a hair since october
1410105;1455857211;pete_dushenski;speaking of fiat volatility, how is it that s.mpoe takes a 'tech' expenditure of Tech, 24.87832294 BTC every month for the last ~year regardless of exchange rate ?
1410106;1455857235;mircea_popescu;it's in the reports at some point
1410107;1455857240;mircea_popescu;bout a year ago.
1410108;1455857254;pete_dushenski;aha. will dig.
1410109;1455857341;pete_dushenski;"The remaining 24.87832294 BTC will be a recurring fee to maintain the hardware. Further one-off expenditure may be incurred as needed, we're by now running a rather complex setup including numerous servers and that simply means one can not ever have any peace." << july 2014 report
1410110;1455858165;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "acolo pe tita nenorocitei in discutie" << please to help translate to engrish
1410111;1455860277;mircea_popescu;"there on the tit of the unfortunate [woman] under discussion"
1410112;1455860869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 239431 @ 0.00057497 = 137.6656 BTC [+] {4} 
1410113;1455862882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00057253 = 31.3174 BTC [-]
1410114;1455863919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47113 @ 0.00057253 = 26.9736 BTC [-]
1410115;1455864089;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1410116;1455864092;gribble;Current Blocks: 399135 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 32 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1410117;1455864916;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: cheers
1410118;1455864993;pete_dushenski;and now, your moment of zen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SADub7W22Zg
1410119;1455864994;assbot;Chris Martin Carpool Karaoke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21cBJFx )
1410120;1455866359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00057093 = 49.3854 BTC [-] {3} 
1410121;1455866664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114672 @ 0.00056827 = 65.1647 BTC [-] {2} 
1410122;1455867518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71150 @ 0.00057522 = 40.9269 BTC [+]
1410123;1455867701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27499 @ 0.00056823 = 15.6258 BTC [-]
1410124;1455871361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138900 @ 0.00056554 = 78.5535 BTC [-] {2} 
1410125;1455872337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25351 @ 0.00056652 = 14.3618 BTC [+]
1410126;1455872825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100584 @ 0.00057123 = 57.4566 BTC [+] {2} 
1410127;1455874106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.0005727 = 33.5602 BTC [+] {2} 
1410128;1455875082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78867 @ 0.00057185 = 45.1001 BTC [-]
1410129;1455875814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14613 @ 0.00057339 = 8.3789 BTC [+]
1410130;1455878376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00057275 = 30.413 BTC [-]
1410131;1455878803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43450 @ 0.00057275 = 24.886 BTC [-]
1410132;1455878818;punkman;http://www.smartnootropics.co.uk/the-psychoactive-substances-act-2016/ lulzy
1410133;1455878819;assbot;The Psychoactive Substances Act 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LwI1Xz )
1410134;1455878864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2843 @ 0.00057339 = 1.6301 BTC [+]
1410135;1455879718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00057185 = 19.1856 BTC [-]
1410136;1455881060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96136 @ 0.00057185 = 54.9754 BTC [-]
1410137;1455883135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12447 @ 0.00057185 = 7.1178 BTC [-]
1410138;1455883989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102957 @ 0.00056438 = 58.1069 BTC [-] {2} 
1410139;1455884050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 209143 @ 0.00056344 = 117.8395 BTC [-] {4} 
1410140;1455885331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108900 @ 0.00056344 = 61.3586 BTC [-] {2} 
1410141;1455885380;jurov;phf i'm getting such docs all the time. and requests for missing bitcoins with screenshot.scr or paypal funds with attached paypal.rar
1410142;1455885395;jurov;and invoices
1410143;1455885399;jurov;and ...
1410144;1455886551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96058 @ 0.00055848 = 53.6465 BTC [-] {4} 
1410145;1455886856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82650 @ 0.00055599 = 45.9526 BTC [-] {2} 
1410146;1455888933;shinohai;http://newyork.backpage.com/Datelines/sexy-and-young-colombian-girl-webcam-for-bitcoins/73754141
1410147;1455888934;assbot;Sexy and young colombian girl webcam for bitcoins - New York Adult web site directory - backpage.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SEkStY )
1410148;1455888952;jurov;http://fusion.net/story/270002/colombias-top-cop-resigns-amid-male-prostitution-scandal/
1410149;1455888954;assbot;Colombia’s top cop resigns amid male prostitution scandal | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1SEkX0v )
1410150;1455889235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00056208 = 37.0973 BTC [+]
1410151;1455889260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw the mystery of the inverter is solved : the thing has about 21kw worth of lead-acid cells, capable of powering the output at nominal draw for half an hour or twenty minutes or something.
1410152;1455889276;mircea_popescu;ie, if your engine runs out you have a moment to do something. like add more gas or w/e
1410153;1455889310;jurov;til mircea_popescu draws 21 kW
1410154;1455889354;mircea_popescu;jurov it's rated for 40ish actually ; and you gotta understand inductive loads.
1410155;1455889460;jurov;the battery is then about 40 kW*0.5 h = 20 kWh . you have 20kWh worth of lead cells at home?
1410156;1455889474;jurov;care to snap a pic?
1410157;1455889646;jurov;It's about a full cabinet, about a metric ton
1410158;1455889656;mircea_popescu;i'm busy an' it's raining, just try to imagine 40 truck batteries stacked or something.
1410159;1455889696;mircea_popescu;and yes, thing has its own wheels and sits outside, not indoor unit.
1410160;1455889701;mircea_popescu;who the fuck keeps a generator indoors.
1410161;1455889724;jurov;ok, i was talking about batteries
1410162;1455889727;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you'll die.
1410163;1455889740;mircea_popescu;it's inside somewhere, i've never seen them.
1410164;1455889750;jurov;oh, in bsas no problem to keep batteries outdoors, too
1410165;1455889869;mircea_popescu;man, every vehicle you ever saw moving has a 100-200-500W battery inside, wut.
1410166;1455889893;jurov;don't let us confuse watts and watthours
1410167;1455889905;mircea_popescu;the thing has about 21kw worth of lead-acid cells << let us not.
1410168;1455889919;mircea_popescu;oh.
1410169;1455889934;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, 21 joules. fine, fine.
1410170;1455889956;jurov;calories!
1410171;1455889973;mircea_popescu;lol
1410172;1455890760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00055558 = 21.8899 BTC [-] {4} 
1410173;1455894359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17591 @ 0.00056208 = 9.8875 BTC [+]
1410174;1455894734;mircea_popescu;girl buys little adhesive tabs for notebooks,
1410175;1455894743;*;mircea_popescu has a total ball tabbing everyone's nipples with them.
1410176;1455894746;mircea_popescu;COLOR CODED SLUTS!
1410177;1455894913;mod6;haha
1410178;1455894963;mircea_popescu;AND i have a good chunk of bubble wrap!
1410179;1455894965;mircea_popescu;oh happy days.
1410180;1455895278;mircea_popescu;https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ << could this shit be any more vague and useless ?
1410181;1455895279;assbot;Recent Events and Future Changes | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1XBNkM8 )
1410182;1455895284;mircea_popescu;talk about years of bad habits to break
1410183;1455895289;mircea_popescu;STOP BEING ANGLOTARDS!!!
1410184;1455895450;punkman;"recent rash of high-profile staff resignations" that nobody noticed?
1410185;1455895492;mircea_popescu; so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
1410186;1455895493;assbot;Recent Events and Future Changes | staffblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1XBNkM8 )
1410187;1455895493;mircea_popescu;* #freenode :Cannot send to channel
1410188;1455895494;mircea_popescu;fucking epic.
1410189;1455895496;mircea_popescu;they've gotten worse.
1410190;1455895604;mircea_popescu;well fuck it, i can't be arsed to debug this.
1410191;1455895640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118753 @ 0.00056869 = 67.5336 BTC [+]
1410192;1455895701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97097 @ 0.00057022 = 55.3667 BTC [+]
1410193;1455895987;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1410194;1455895991;gribble;Current Blocks: 399177 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1410195;1455896250;BingoBoingo;From trades channel " [MPEX] [D.CBSE] 2 @ 0.239 = 0.478 BTC [+]"
1410196;1455897251;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410185 << don't feed fleanode.
1410197;1455897251;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:52; mircea_popescu:  so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
1410198;1455897287;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410165 << i have a bank of sealed 'gel-cel' indoors. as do many many folks.
1410199;1455897287;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 13:51:09; mircea_popescu: man, every vehicle you ever saw moving has a 100-200-500W battery inside, wut.
1410200;1455897325;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410183 << do you not see the openbsd fungus here ?
1410201;1455897325;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 15:21:29; mircea_popescu: STOP BEING ANGLOTARDS!!!
1410202;1455897332;asciilifeform;because the stench of the fungus is unmistakeable.
1410203;1455897421;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410160 << battery banks (other than for starting the diesel!!) are typically kept indoors. sealed cells do not like to freeze, and do not like summer heat. (whereas ordinary unsealed lead-acids ~really~ do not like deep-cycling.)
1410204;1455897421;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 13:48:21; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps a generator indoors.
1410205;1455897473;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410132 << iirc in germany you can't even buy vitamin c without prescription.
1410206;1455897473;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 10:46:58; punkman: http://www.smartnootropics.co.uk/the-psychoactive-substances-act-2016/ lulzy
1410207;1455897513;asciilifeform;but yes, expect ~all~ loopholes in 'war on drugs' to be closed, because imbecile plebes like 'bath salt'
1410208;1455897530;jurov;asciilifeform: sauce? iirc i did buy vitamin c in gernamy fine
1410209;1455897539;jurov;https://www.dm.de/das-gesunde-plus-vitamin-c-depot-kapseln-p4010355997579.html
1410210;1455897541;assbot;DAS gesunde PLUS Vitamin C Depot-Kapseln dauerhaft günstig online kaufen | dm.de ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoUDrh )
1410211;1455897600;jurov;(dm is not pharmacy)
1410212;1455897621;asciilifeform;jurov: possibly i was misinformed ? nfi
1410213;1455897742;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410098 << on the menu for saturday..!
1410214;1455897742;assbot;Logged on 19-02-2016 04:38:25; mircea_popescu: spoeaking of which alf...
1410215;1455897758;*;asciilifeform stretched pretty thin, but phuctor is a priority item atm
1410216;1455897769;mircea_popescu;thin is sexy!
1410217;1455897777;asciilifeform;nanofilament thin.
1410218;1455897841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> because the stench of the fungus is unmistakeable. << myeah.
1410219;1455897928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you can pick a cipher or combo of ciphers you can temporarily stomach, we can have an irc box up with pgp auth.
1410220;1455897931;mircea_popescu;i dunno it's anything but low level autism by now.
1410221;1455897949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, i have that in my mental list of "already folded parachutes"
1410222;1455897951;asciilifeform;(as discussed in the 'g' thread. you ask for kakobrekla-style token, and decrypt a symmetric key)
1410223;1455898048;asciilifeform;the correct way to arrange this crippled gossipd affair is as an mpex-like network of proxies
1410224;1455898059;mircea_popescu;prolly huh.
1410225;1455898062;asciilifeform;(one falls, no prob, can connect to 17 others)
1410226;1455898327;BingoBoingo;In other news Jeb Bush has apparently called his brother's nekkid shower paintings "weird"
1410227;1455898568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29047 @ 0.00056802 = 16.4993 BTC [-]
1410228;1455899056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23964 @ 0.00056802 = 13.612 BTC [-]
1410229;1455899239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00055402 = 46.2607 BTC [-] {3} 
1410230;1455899727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35336 @ 0.00055747 = 19.6988 BTC [+]
1410231;1455900133;BingoBoingo;!up adlai
1410232;1455900274;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/02/ftc-settles-with-butterfly-labs-suspended-penalties-for-management/#comment-46670 << what do the numbers refer to ?
1410233;1455900277;assbot;FTC Settles With Butterfly Labs, Suspended Penalties For Management | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUW9lA )
1410234;1455900277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00057022 = 8.9097 BTC [+]
1410235;1455900277;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1410236;1455900788;mircea_popescu;i dunno, their retarded plum book index
1410237;1455900940;mircea_popescu;in further "concentration camps are the only hope for the us" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/988d727f67722704787276edb499656e/tumblr_n64ncliQyN1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1410238;1455900942;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oPD33j )
1410239;1455901047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu mega-optimist
1410240;1455901055;asciilifeform;~asteroid~ is the only hope for usa.
1410241;1455901074;mircea_popescu;camps cheaper than asteroids.
1410242;1455901099;asciilifeform;asteroid is phree, but has long delivery wait.
1410243;1455901109;mircea_popescu;externalities are not free!
1410244;1455901122;mircea_popescu;just like 5/0 is not =0
1410245;1455901139;asciilifeform;l0l
1410246;1455901433;asciilifeform;incidentally, how come mircea_popescu dislikes 'ndranghetta ? it's orcs doing healthy virile orc stuff, no ?
1410247;1455901436;asciilifeform;certainly no 'pencildick' academics there..
1410248;1455901451;mircea_popescu;i don't dislike IT.
1410249;1455901475;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, a streetwalker is a streetwalker whether she fucks bums or healthy virile orcs.
1410250;1455901475;asciilifeform;hm?
1410251;1455901492;mircea_popescu;in this case, the usg took it in the ass. and the problem with whoredom is that oyu NEVER get to charge more than the least you ever charged.
1410252;1455901499;mircea_popescu;consequently...
1410253;1455901523;mircea_popescu;that "careful about what they don't tell you when they give you those papers to sign" cuts both ways. what the calabrese didn't tell the feds when they gave the feds those papers to sign was
1410254;1455901538;asciilifeform;how does this differ from when 'scientology' infiltrated fbi and burned all files pertaining to itself (1980s) ?
1410255;1455901543;mircea_popescu;that now the feds are somewhere between uganda and ethiopia as far as legal power is concerned.
1410256;1455901560;mircea_popescu;why does it have to differ ?
1410257;1455901612;asciilifeform;afaik it doesn't differ.
1410258;1455901618;mircea_popescu;aite.
1410259;1455901619;asciilifeform;but pointing out that this kind of thing is old news.
1410260;1455901630;mircea_popescu;the concept of "old news" is not defined in this space.
1410261;1455901632;asciilifeform;and that it only pertains to the crust of usg, not the molten iron core.
1410262;1455901647;mircea_popescu;i've not even read that last line, for the record.
1410263;1455901657;asciilifeform;l0l
1410264;1455901685;mircea_popescu;sorry, what am i to do. you're a pretty reasonable chap with the nutty habit of spitting out 5/0=0!!1 5/0 = 0!!! at intervals.
1410265;1455901692;mircea_popescu;i put a filter in, brings you straight back to humanity.
1410266;1455901699;mircea_popescu;thanks god it's that simple.
1410267;1455901753;asciilifeform;if you can find me how aes leaks key bits, or the spec document for 'Joseki' cipher, i'll wake up permanently.
1410268;1455901756;asciilifeform;i promise.
1410269;1455901764;mircea_popescu;too bad it doesn't work like that.
1410270;1455901789;mircea_popescu;what's next, "if you find me a princess to marry ima stop picking my nose and eating my boogers" ?
1410271;1455901823;asciilifeform;recall how they in 1990 or so 'all sov archives now open!!11' 'fine, now gimme stalin's 1938 plenum speech'
1410272;1455901834;asciilifeform;'we, umm, lost it'
1410273;1455901879;mircea_popescu;https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1937/03/03.htm ?
1410274;1455901880;assbot;Defects in Party Work ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMjlDZ )
1410275;1455901917;asciilifeform;nah not this
1410276;1455901926;asciilifeform;the one where he, allegedly, 'we have failed and will die'
1410277;1455901932;asciilifeform;still s33kr1t.
1410278;1455902000;mircea_popescu;https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/01/18.htm ?
1410279;1455902001;assbot;On the Final Victory of Socialism in the U.S.S.R. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMjAyW )
1410280;1455902014;asciilifeform;my point was that the available evidence (i can name 1,01+ tantalizing s33kr1ts That Make A Difference) that ~never~ have leaked and are guarded by - apparently - incorruptible aryan ss core.
1410281;1455902033;mircea_popescu;nonsense.
1410282;1455902064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not that one either.
1410283;1455902072;asciilifeform;this is a quasi-mythical speech that was never made public.
1410284;1455902107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117150 @ 0.0005707 = 66.8575 BTC [+] {3} 
1410285;1455902109;mircea_popescu;they're guarded by asciilifeform's unknown sons in a mausoleum on buyan, along with asciilifeform's own handmade copy of the dead sea manuscripts and still shots from his days as a fireman/pornstar.
1410286;1455902122;*;asciilifeform falls down
1410287;1455902147;mircea_popescu;the continued secrecy involving all this proves in order that asciilifeform has sons, that buyan is a place and that he used to take it in the ass with the firehose.
1410288;1455902186;*;asciilifeform tries, futilely, to extract firehose
1410289;1455902226;mircea_popescu;other things that haven't been found include the electronic raisin nuclear cheesecake, and generally speaking all manner and definitions of unknown things as defined by the people not knowing them. because FUCKING NECESSARILY!
1410290;1455902272;asciilifeform;note that i did not say 'the pill for rsa' but a specific archival document that is referred to in 10,001 places in the open usg literature
1410291;1455902275;asciilifeform;but has never been leaked.
1410292;1455902286;asciilifeform;'implementation of Joseki'
1410293;1455902286;mircea_popescu;right.
1410294;1455902293;asciilifeform;(go players don't panic, nothing to do with the game)
1410295;1455902306;mircea_popescu;o when is that thing ?
1410296;1455902309;mircea_popescu;next month ?
1410297;1455902323;asciilifeform;aha.
1410298;1455902362;asciilifeform;another example: official 'tempest' test specs.
1410299;1455902427;asciilifeform;(this is also a named document, and 10,001+ copies exist, every maker of electronic junk for usg has it, but it has never been made public afaik)
1410300;1455902509;asciilifeform;or the magic codez for the intel amt thing (or what, you think the nsa core is decorative ?! buyan?!)
1410301;1455902512;asciilifeform;or, or.
1410302;1455902569;mircea_popescu;how does this relate to the legal impotence of the usg henceforth is unclear, but w/e.
1410303;1455902583;asciilifeform;doesn't.
1410304;1455902590;asciilifeform;relates to the ~core~ vs ~crust~
1410305;1455902617;mircea_popescu;it's merely a question of incompetence, not of will.
1410306;1455902631;asciilifeform;wai wut how?
1410307;1455902645;mircea_popescu;you're roughly in the position of an inept anatomist who, from his failure to obtain answers to the questions that interest him through dissection, decides the dead animal on the table is still alive,
1410308;1455902650;mircea_popescu;and is actively keeping secrets from him.
1410309;1455902674;asciilifeform;he isn't even wrong, the bacteria ~are~ helping to 'keep the secrets' by eating the meat
1410310;1455902680;asciilifeform;which is, in an important way, still alive.
1410311;1455902695;mircea_popescu;he is wrong in that he, much like a child / animist, allocates his failure to outside intent.
1410312;1455902699;BingoBoingo;Just because cadeaver does not live does not mean it lacks life.
1410313;1455902700;mircea_popescu;this is a 3 yo thing.
1410314;1455902708;asciilifeform;if it were a fully static object, like a pile of bricks, anatomist's job would be unquestionably easier
1410315;1455902718;mircea_popescu;very much besides the point.
1410316;1455902770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is of course free do define my questions, such as 'do they have the rsa pill', as uninteresting. but i find this position too martian to fully grasp with my puny earthling brain.
1410317;1455902798;mircea_popescu;they do not have the "rsa pill". the block ciphers however as currently implemented are next to useless.
1410318;1455902836;asciilifeform;'block cipher' was a pixie dust creation from day 1. relic from pre-scientific age of cryptoastrology. i think we had this thread..
1410319;1455902844;mircea_popescu;mk.
1410320;1455903023;asciilifeform;speaking of, any more curios in the block cipher mail ?
1410321;1455903066;mircea_popescu;nothing.
1410322;1455903091;mircea_popescu;idiot cloud moved on to whatever it is they do, probably something to do wit hgo now.
1410323;1455903094;asciilifeform;the more i look, the more clear to me that crypto is this radioactive wasteland where even birds no longer sing
1410324;1455903109;mircea_popescu;funny how little actually interests these people, they can so fluently become fascinated by random things.
1410325;1455903123;mircea_popescu;birds sing, yes, but they are cicadas.
1410326;1455903170;asciilifeform;gonna be a contest where i'm the only runner ?!
1410327;1455903181;mircea_popescu;hey, gotta earn a penny somehow.
1410328;1455903205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34964 @ 0.000564 = 19.7197 BTC [-]
1410329;1455903354;mircea_popescu;"I hope, Comrade Stalin, that you will grant my request and reply to the Manturovsk District, Kursk Region, First Zasemsky Village Soviet, Ivan Philipovich Ivanov."
1410330;1455903357;mircea_popescu;that thing is such a delight.
1410331;1455903540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the material is as plentiful as it is monotonous.
1410332;1455903566;asciilifeform;the engl translation is new to me, i had nfi that anyone gave a shit
1410333;1455903569;mircea_popescu;dude - kursk cattle doesn't even have a fucking name. ivan son of filip of the ivan's clan ? really ?
1410334;1455903582;mircea_popescu;aspires to be person with name, has name of "moo mooeski"
1410335;1455903583;asciilifeform;(lysenko's works, for instance, were never - afaik, to this day - translated)
1410336;1455903626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these folks were not even a century out of chattel serfdom
1410337;1455903633;mircea_popescu;more like 50 years.
1410338;1455903658;mircea_popescu;sitting around discussing issues of ideology for the very simple reason that the bigger boys in the village kicked the schmuck out of the trough ?
1410339;1455903659;asciilifeform;and quite definitely '1st gen in shoes'
1410340;1455903673;mircea_popescu;fucking reddit through and through.
1410341;1455903691;asciilifeform;not quite.
1410342;1455903698;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1410343;1455903729;asciilifeform;my understanding is that 'this is allt here is, i am as human as every great man' thing was not yet developed.
1410344;1455903735;asciilifeform;*all there
1410345;1455903740;mircea_popescu;orly ? "comrade stalin" ?
1410346;1455903770;asciilifeform;the peasant bowed just as he bowed to the old lords.
1410347;1455903773;mircea_popescu;FIRST Zasemsky Village Soviet ? you know, two streets down from petersburg center ?
1410348;1455903808;mircea_popescu;this kid is not a peasant, anymore than a random engineer is redditard.
1410349;1455903826;mircea_popescu;this kid is the aspirational "staff propagandist of the Manturovsk District of the Young Communist League in the Kursk Region"
1410350;1455903836;asciilifeform;there ~was~ 'reddit' running around in 1918. people who ~actually~ thought that nobody needs engineers, any idiot can design a pile of bricks, nobody needs army officer, money, etc.
1410351;1455903840;asciilifeform;they were slaughtered.
1410352;1455903845;mircea_popescu;THIS kid is it.
1410353;1455903848;asciilifeform;which was a very reasonable thing to do
1410354;1455903852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly
1410355;1455903868;asciilifeform;1937 saw a good bit of 'it' cleaned up.
1410356;1455903877;mircea_popescu;in the FIRST soviet union.
1410357;1455903882;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see what the 2nd does.
1410358;1455904042;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled, note, the bullshit:
1410359;1455904084;asciilifeform;i watched with my own eyes groups of 'national student leadership' whateverthefuck marching to audience with obama's reichsminister of whatever (or possibly the fuhrer himself)
1410360;1455904097;mircea_popescu;aha.
1410361;1455904103;asciilifeform;this kind of thing is part of the daily rhythm around here and is unremarkable.
1410362;1455904113;mircea_popescu;it's also novel.
1410363;1455904123;asciilifeform;how novel? 20th c. sop.
1410364;1455904141;mircea_popescu;to the degree the 1936 bs was novel, of course. from close enough and with enough myopia, it is "sop".
1410365;1455904147;asciilifeform;in that sense yes.
1410366;1455904152;asciilifeform;it is a specifically 20th c. plague.
1410367;1455904180;asciilifeform;mr mold, even, wrote 'i wish only to live to see the 20th c. end' and he meant this specifically.
1410368;1455904334;mircea_popescu;seems a safe enough expectation.
1410369;1455904383;asciilifeform;at least for folks watching from dirigibles at safe range.
1410370;1455904461;mircea_popescu;least for them.
1410371;1455906072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00055519 = 11.2148 BTC [-]
1410372;1455906292;asciilifeform;sheer number of microscopic bets in https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march is interesting to me
1410373;1455906293;assbot;BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 13.07 B (36%) on Yes, 23.58 B (64%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 4 days | weight: 70`710 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q5VsDd )
1410374;1455906300;asciilifeform;or is this ordinary ?
1410375;1455906322;asciilifeform;who bets 'dust' and why.
1410376;1455906377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123689 @ 0.00055438 = 68.5707 BTC [-] {2} 
1410377;1455906393;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: People with dust bet dust because it is what they have. The bet it because they want more dust. It's happening on this bet because it got attention.
1410378;1455906903;deedbot-;[Qntra] FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater - http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/
1410379;1455907104;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b60
1410380;1455908085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84952 @ 0.00055803 = 47.4058 BTC [+] {2} 
1410381;1455908268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4434 @ 0.00056109 = 2.4879 BTC [+]
1410382;1455909061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00056391 = 22.8947 BTC [+]
1410383;1455909976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61417 @ 0.00056391 = 34.6337 BTC [+]
1410384;1455910342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101682 @ 0.00056363 = 57.311 BTC [-] {2} 
1410385;1455910892;deedbot-;[Qntra] John Deere Cuts Sales Expectation Amid Continued Corn Belt Pain - http://qntra.net/2016/02/john-deere-cuts-sales-expectation-amid-continued-corn-belt-pain/
1410386;1455911298;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b61
1410387;1455912012;mircea_popescu;and in the same old news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8ff5174f151e82c23c291b50a30ae0b0/tumblr_n61msgwSfK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1410388;1455912015;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok68so )
1410389;1455912294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34942 @ 0.00057096 = 19.9505 BTC [+]
1410390;1455912778;deedbot-;[Trilema] Letters from the stupid country - http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/
1410391;1455912796;shinohai;A triptych of fine assets.
1410392;1455912967;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, what does mircea_popescu use bars for ?
1410393;1455913005;BingoBoingo;What does anyone use bars for? Anthropology, girls, and getting plastered.
1410394;1455913031;fluffypony;asciilifeform: well he has to write the notes down somewhere
1410395;1455913115;asciilifeform;yeah but mircea_popescu is not 'anyone'. you would wonder, if you saw pablo escobar, who had his ~own~ rhinoceros, go to the zoo, no ?
1410396;1455913198;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Still, the first two reasons hold. One can have bipedal african rhinoceros in zoo, but that doesn't mean there is no reason to be interested in observing the creatures in the wild
1410397;1455913381;*;asciilifeform profoundly has nfi
1410398;1455913404;BingoBoingo;http://heroin227.rssing.com/chan-6724597/all_p4.html
1410399;1455913406;assbot;That Guy's On Heroin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok8Hun )
1410400;1455913547;danielpbarron;bar isn't for getting plastered; it's for talking to people wtf
1410401;1455913558;danielpbarron;easy enough to get wasted at home
1410402;1455913577;BingoBoingo;Getting wasted away from home amplifies the excitement
1410403;1455913604;danielpbarron;well i don't care for getting wasted regardless of the enviornment, so i guess i can't speak to that
1410404;1455913616;phf;bars, stripclubs, and places that have maître d's pretty much all you need to cover a city
1410405;1455913650;danielpbarron;but i can be a bit of a shut in, and I like going to a bar on occasion to refresh my spirit
1410406;1455913764;trinque;*spirits
1410407;1455913942;*;shinohai is going to a bar tonight, will report.
1410408;1455914091;danielpbarron;i'm planning on going out tonight too, and lacking a harem to compile a list of spots for me, i will be using foursquare
1410409;1455914673;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1410410;1455914679;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 419.0, vol: 5307.93795356 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.913, vol: 7224.50604 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 419.01, vol: 14469.59783129 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.42, vol: 6.45338592 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.265577, vol: 45634.78350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 418.59, vol: 464.59652834 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 419.514472, vol: 100.22475558 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1410411;1455914686;BingoBoingo;;;more
1410412;1455914686;gribble;425.818400911
1410413;1455914728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i also use the internet!
1410414;1455914876;asciilifeform;l0l
1410415;1455914899;mircea_popescu;the problemn with argentines and the internet is that they're completely fucking nuts, treat the internet like a sort of personal channel whereby they communicate with god or something.
1410416;1455914908;mircea_popescu;to go by the internet, "Buenos Aires night life!1111" is a thing.
1410417;1455914933;mircea_popescu;oh and also, "bitcoin blabla" etc.
1410418;1455914963;asciilifeform;wake me up when you find the shangri-la where the inhabitants aren't moo.
1410419;1455914982;mircea_popescu;but generally - i go to bars to be entertained.
1410420;1455914999;mircea_popescu;it's my tough luck that in this country i'm being entertained in other ways than i'd prefer, but what's to do.
1410421;1455915018;mod6;i'll be starting the bundling up of V v99995 tonight.  will be out tomorrow sometime.
1410422;1455915029;mircea_popescu;nice mod6
1410423;1455915032;mod6;TMSR Testers: Last chance to test beta4!
1410424;1455915038;punkman;srsly though 3 digit bars???
1410425;1455915042;mircea_popescu;yes.
1410426;1455915052;punkman;there's more than that on my tiny island
1410427;1455915055;mircea_popescu;i know.
1410428;1455915142;phf;so where do argentians go on friday evenings?
1410429;1455915159;mircea_popescu;nowhere.
1410430;1455915177;punkman;how about clubs, less than 3 digits?
1410431;1455915190;mircea_popescu;EVERY SINGLE, i don't mean just the fat/ugly, EVERY SINGLE female's FAVOURITE past time is watching netflix.
1410432;1455915197;mircea_popescu;it's a mentally ill population.
1410433;1455915201;mircea_popescu;punkman there are no clubs.
1410434;1455915205;mircea_popescu;0.
1410435;1455915290;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone identify the stuff spread on bread in that 2nd pic ?
1410436;1455915300;asciilifeform;~specifically~ netflix ?!
1410437;1455915309;mircea_popescu;yes.
1410438;1455915319;asciilifeform;as in, not warez at all? the american paid subscription crud ?!
1410439;1455915335;punkman;bell pepper paste something?
1410440;1455915344;mircea_popescu;and they like to internet on facebook. because yes, just like to the generation of bovines that compose their mothers "the internet"="the blue e icon in microsoft", just so for this crop of schmucks...
1410441;1455915356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what warez ? is it on facebook ?
1410442;1455915388;mircea_popescu;they principally watch dreary sitcoms to find out about "how life is", because that's what they go about pretending all day.
1410443;1455915430;mircea_popescu;punkman something.
1410444;1455915437;mircea_popescu;zacusca!
1410445;1455915439;asciilifeform;may as well complain that the monkeys at the zoo play with themselves
1410446;1455915444;asciilifeform;what the fuck ~else~ is there for them to do ?
1410447;1455915446;asciilifeform;theorems ?
1410448;1455915458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this thing calls itself a fucking country, pretends like inhabited, by people.
1410449;1455915475;mircea_popescu;if they flatly acquiseced to their subhuman nature and sought out a country to imperialize them, it'd be another thing.
1410450;1455915505;asciilifeform;i thought they ~did~
1410451;1455915514;mircea_popescu;not afaik.
1410452;1455915515;asciilifeform;owned by cn wholesale
1410453;1455915518;asciilifeform;no?
1410454;1455915518;mircea_popescu;patria si buitres no!11
1410455;1455915531;punkman;I made a giant burrito (2lb or so), ate less than half. I think I like looking at big portions more than eating them.
1410456;1455915532;mircea_popescu;are we discussing reality or the gargauni in their heads ?
1410457;1455915555;mircea_popescu;punkman common middle aged male affliction - why do you suppose bbq is so popular in the us ?
1410458;1455915710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152800 @ 0.00056266 = 85.9744 BTC [-] {2} 
1410459;1455915726;punkman;but in us 2lb burrito is breakfast
1410460;1455915779;mircea_popescu;only if you put sugar on it
1410461;1455915907;BingoBoingo;then deep fry
1410462;1455916382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gargauni ?
1410463;1455916405;mircea_popescu;discrete, self-reproducing bits of idiocy, chiefly found in young female heads.
1410464;1455916410;mircea_popescu;sort of like prions, but for thought.
1410465;1455916451;mircea_popescu;90% of usage in romanian is in the expression "iti scot eu tie gargaunii din cap" ie, "i'm going to take the ~ out of your head", universally administered before the first in a series of beatings to last qs.
1410466;1455916464;asciilifeform;ah, cockroaches !
1410467;1455916547;mircea_popescu;it's a mysterious word of unknown etymology.
1410468;1455916575;mircea_popescu;also denotes vespa carbo, large, loud forrest dwelling wasp
1410469;1455917296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00056958 = 38.646 BTC [+]
1410470;1455917357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00056958 = 58.8661 BTC [+]
1410471;1455918451;deedbot-;[Trilema] Turkish Delight - http://trilema.com/2016/turkish-delight/
1410472;1455919004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121100 @ 0.00056064 = 67.8935 BTC [-] {2} 
1410473;1455919139;asciilifeform;;;isitup trilema.com
1410474;1455919140;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
1410475;1455919146;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com
1410476;1455919147;gribble;trilema.com is up
1410477;1455919150;asciilifeform;hm
1410478;1455919478;mircea_popescu;!rate Azelphur 2 joined Eulora even!
1410479;1455919478;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a76bd9da4c275b5
1410480;1455919496;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Azelphur.2:f33183b8ba43d44d071d00ec04c409c688a04fbc57b2575d78f7ce2b29dee85b
1410481;1455919496;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Azelphur from 1 to 2 with note: joined Eulora even!
1410482;1455919667;shinohai;Eulora auction is Sunday?
1410483;1455919701;mircea_popescu;yep
1410484;1455919718;shinohai;I am planning to attend in observer status
1410485;1455919734;mircea_popescu;cool. you got an account and everything ?
1410486;1455919764;shinohai;yeah you sent me account login last month iirc
1410487;1455919793;shinohai;It works, I am having a few latency issues, gonna recompile soon.
1410488;1455919991;mircea_popescu;cool.
1410489;1455920886;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/c03vz3B.jpg
1410490;1455920886;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTq5gc )
1410491;1455920993;shinohai;kek BingoBoingo
1410492;1455921028;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/c1134b588863026eb7072d77a69f57d7/tumblr_n5vuhxZxiv1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1410493;1455921030;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxIGrO )
1410494;1455921932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00056598 = 25.1578 BTC [+]
1410495;1455922054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111800 @ 0.00056057 = 62.6717 BTC [-]
1410496;1455922399;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b66
1410497;1455923396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105572 @ 0.00056057 = 59.1805 BTC [-]
1410498;1455923491;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b67
1410499;1455923945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 287350 @ 0.00055928 = 160.7091 BTC [-] {3} 
1410500;1455924799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2946 @ 0.00055991 = 1.6495 BTC [+]
1410501;1455927178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00056337 = 9.7198 BTC [+]
1410502;1455927361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00056215 = 31.3118 BTC [-] {2} 
1410503;1455927660;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.70000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b68
1410504;1455928154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056284 = 30.7311 BTC [+]
1410505;1455928215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26534 @ 0.00056389 = 14.9623 BTC [+] {2} 
1410506;1455928703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00056548 = 6.7575 BTC [+]
1410507;1455928947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00056186 = 20.9012 BTC [-]
1410508;1455929008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00056548 = 27.2561 BTC [+]
1410509;1455930411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47009 @ 0.00056186 = 26.4125 BTC [-]
1410510;1455930418;BingoBoingo;History rhymes https://archive.is/iYO50
1410511;1455930419;assbot;Anyone else having orders cancelled by Coinbase : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1oQIaAr )
1410512;1455930892;danielpbarron;heh i assumed the order i placed at 380 was gonna get cancled, but nope : got that coin in my own address today :D
1410513;1455930986;BingoBoingo;congrats on your gamble
1410514;1455931021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00056053 = 35.7618 BTC [-] {2} 
1410515;1455931028;danielpbarron;is it a gamble? what was risked?
1410516;1455931232;BingoBoingo;opportunity
1410517;1455931305;danielpbarron;i mean i wasn't gonna buy elsewhere, and it wasn't the last of my cash
1410518;1455931343;danielpbarron;anyway thanks for the congrats, it is still a nice outcome
1410519;1455931384;danielpbarron;i think the trick with coinbase is a weekly small amount; the guy linked above was talking about several orders pending at once
1410520;1455931509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00056362 = 1.9727 BTC [+]
1410521;1455932014;jurov;;;halfreward
1410522;1455932014;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 05:43:33 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1410523;1455932363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107981 @ 0.00056458 = 60.9639 BTC [+] {3} 
1410524;1455932424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37252 @ 0.00056753 = 21.1416 BTC [+]
1410525;1455933339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00056753 = 19.8068 BTC [+]
1410526;1455934273;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410510 << l0l goxbase
1410527;1455934273;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 01:06:58; BingoBoingo: History rhymes https://archive.is/iYO50
1410528;1455934864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005588 = 9.0526 BTC [-]
1410529;1455934867;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'V. crabro ... Unlike most other vespines, reproductive suppression involves worker policing instead of queen pheromone control as was previously thought.' << srsly ?!
1410530;1455935479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: best filipinos - https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/46ng26/ez_guide_how_to_lose_money_in_a_blocksizerelated
1410531;1455935480;assbot;[EZ Guide] How to LOSE money in a blocksize-related hard fork. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tro9vl )
1410532;1455935503;asciilifeform;'Your customer/attacker will send you some bad bitcoins that are only valid on the "old" fork. Hopefully they buy something expensive because you want to LOSE MONEY! You're also going to have to ship them whatever they bought before you realize you have been handed counterfeit money.'
1410533;1455935718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33975 @ 0.00056123 = 19.0678 BTC [+]
1410534;1455935779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60561 @ 0.00056564 = 34.2557 BTC [+] {2} 
1410535;1455935818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. best usg wasp!
1410536;1455935866;mircea_popescu;anyway, trying to spin the "putin tore bahamas' arms off and beat him into a pulp with them" into "great foreign policy victory" thing is pretty much 100% of their fare by now.
1410537;1455935875;mircea_popescu;backwards world.
1410538;1455936142;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/dni-16-0218.pdf << mega-l0l, backbreaker treatise on usg's 'insider threatz! leak-prevention' wankatron
1410539;1455936147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48894 @ 0.0005588 = 27.322 BTC [-]
1410540;1455936147;asciilifeform;for anyone who can be bothered to read
1410541;1455936173;asciilifeform;claims such gems as, e.g., only 5% of applicants for usg clearance are disqualified
1410542;1455936219;asciilifeform;(apparently hitler ordered a committee of committees to be convened to revise the rules somehow, and this is what it produced)
1410543;1455936235;asciilifeform;^ strictly for entomologists ^
1410544;1455936305;mircea_popescu;this is bs. directly measurable rate of disqualification in the 3/4 to 2/3 range.
1410545;1455936317;asciilifeform;measurable how ?
1410546;1455936374;asciilifeform;the turd, note, did not claim '95% of usians are eligible', claimed that only 5% of ~applicants~ were told to go pound sand
1410547;1455936382;mircea_popescu;ask a dozen people who applied, seven-eight tell you they got rejectered ?
1410548;1455936444;asciilifeform;srsly?!
1410549;1455936491;mircea_popescu;bout there.
1410550;1455936509;asciilifeform;everybody i've ever met who had been forced into this miserable ritual, ended up in.
1410551;1455936561;asciilifeform;(and then they end up doing comical things like 'going to confession booth' when 'accidentally' saw a snowden newspaper thing, etc)
1410552;1455936595;mircea_popescu;hm.
1410553;1455937099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3VHHZ30.txt
1410554;1455937100;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XCZRz4 )
1410555;1455937164;mircea_popescu;awww
1410556;1455937177;asciilifeform;try not to laugh to death, aha.
1410557;1455937212;mircea_popescu;as you say, sop.
1410558;1455937634;asciilifeform;in other news, blocks that take my trb nodez 5-10 min. to verify have become sop.
1410559;1455937896;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron> is it a gamble? what was risked? << bb is just butthurt he didn't buy
1410560;1455938191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: earlier thread, p. 134 of turd has a chart, claims 1,084 usgrasty applicants with breakdown of why rejected
1410561;1455938213;mircea_popescu;hm.
1410562;1455938264;asciilifeform;or, hm, first chart is 'issues' and second 'serious' (i.e., disqualifying) issues.
1410563;1455938709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00056125 = 4.1813 BTC [+]
1410564;1455938895;asciilifeform;'There are three forms of employee commitment that may apply to commitment to country as well: affective (emotional: ― I feel good when I see the flag),  normative (obligation: ― I belong here) and instrumental (no other option: ― I’m here because I have no choice).' << l0ltr0nic
1410565;1455938927;asciilifeform;'People  want  to  be  here,  but  why?  Polling  data  suggest  that  the  reasons  are  mostly  instrumental (public funds, ease of travel), with only 17 percent expressing an affective reason.'
1410566;1455939276;mircea_popescu;mcdonalds is still the cheapest food people who only speak english can purchase.
1410567;1455939345;mircea_popescu;plus it comes in a variety of coatings, from burito to what's that other thing.
1410568;1455939353;asciilifeform;moar lulz:
1410569;1455939354;asciilifeform;'The  challenge:  what  is  “financially  over-extended”  today?  It  is  more  common  now  than before, and debt has become the norm. We have to take financial situation into  consideration  and  be  flexible;  otherwise,  almost  no  one  will  qualify  for  a  security  clearance if we aren’t careful. We can’t ignore it, but need to consider the reasons for  it. Before there may have been clear indicators but today
1410570;1455939355;asciilifeform; people are losing jobs  and there’s more challenges to survive.'
1410571;1455939369;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mcmuffin
1410572;1455939371;mircea_popescu;heh.
1410573;1455939380;mircea_popescu;so i guess they dropped it to 5% more recently ?
1410574;1455939624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86814 @ 0.00056069 = 48.6757 BTC [-] {2} 
1410575;1455940208;danielpbarron;!up dbclk
1410576;1455940429;danielpbarron;!up dbclk
1410577;1455940478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00056126 = 31.3464 BTC [+]
1410578;1455942187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52870 @ 0.0005617 = 29.6971 BTC [+]
1410579;1455943406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40724 @ 0.0005588 = 22.7566 BTC [-]
1410580;1455943657;BingoBoingo;Hooked on Monkey Phonics https://archive.is/kF9nz
1410581;1455943658;assbot;LIVE! Core developers are trying to corrupt a coalition of miners with black magic! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2149hJv )
1410582;1455943763;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/HH8PM5QN9OE << more gross americanists
1410583;1455943764;assbot;Guy Eats In-N-Out Like An Absolute Maniac - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/2149sV7 )
1410584;1455943894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47251 @ 0.00056361 = 26.6311 BTC [+] {2} 
1410585;1455944294;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46740
1410586;1455944295;assbot;FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/2149XhL )
1410587;1455945175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68200 @ 0.0005588 = 38.1102 BTC [-]
1410588;1455945602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00056205 = 30.435 BTC [+] {2} 
1410589;1455946151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00056407 = 28.3445 BTC [+]
1410590;1455947005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87800 @ 0.00055854 = 49.0398 BTC [-] {2} 
1410591;1455949140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80600 @ 0.00056419 = 45.4737 BTC [+]
1410592;1455951702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00056941 = 50.9053 BTC [+] {2} 
1410593;1455952373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9975 @ 0.00056419 = 5.6278 BTC [-]
1410594;1455953105;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 661 @ 0.00266793 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {3} 
1410595;1455954447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00056419 = 17.4053 BTC [-]
1410596;1455954691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00057011 = 34.5487 BTC [+] {2} 
1410597;1455955179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056978 = 32.2495 BTC [-]
1410598;1455956582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99270 @ 0.00056373 = 55.9615 BTC [-] {2} 
1410599;1455958656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15740 @ 0.00056078 = 8.8267 BTC [-]
1410600;1455958778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27452 @ 0.00056078 = 15.3945 BTC [-]
1410601;1455959632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64587 @ 0.0005609 = 36.2268 BTC [+]
1410602;1455959754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90822 @ 0.00055968 = 50.8313 BTC [-] {2} 
1410603;1455960608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5805 @ 0.00056525 = 3.2813 BTC [+]
1410604;1455960974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7361 @ 0.00056978 = 4.1942 BTC [+]
1410605;1455961035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98255 @ 0.00057054 = 56.0584 BTC [+] {3} 
1410606;1455961828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20795 @ 0.00056948 = 11.8423 BTC [-]
1410607;1455962255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94300 @ 0.00056924 = 53.6793 BTC [-] {3} 
1410608;1455963536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40259 @ 0.00055963 = 22.5301 BTC [-] {3} 
1410609;1455963719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16232 @ 0.00056594 = 9.1863 BTC [+]
1410610;1455964207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055787 = 15.1741 BTC [-]
1410611;1455965854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31068 @ 0.00056594 = 17.5826 BTC [+]
1410612;1455967684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35341 @ 0.00056714 = 20.0433 BTC [+]
1410613;1455968355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00056704 = 5.1215 BTC [-]
1410614;1455968843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00056562 = 22.0026 BTC [-] {2} 
1410615;1455970795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00056374 = 9.8936 BTC [-] {2} 
1410616;1455970825;punkman;[HKmtg]To Everyone: We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready
1410617;1455970921;punkman;https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700958953656561664
1410618;1455971074;punkman;https://twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512 snowden join the apple circlejerk
1410619;1455971269;punkman;in other robo-lawyer news http://www.businessinsider.com/joshua-browder-bot-for-parking-tickets-2016-2
1410620;1455971270;assbot;Joshua Browder's Bot for parking tickets - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDCtBE )
1410621;1455971527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00056125 = 28.736 BTC [-]
1410622;1455972652;punkman;aww http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35620368
1410623;1455972653;assbot;Italian writer Umberto Eco dies at 84 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDE0aT )
1410624;1455972969;mircea_popescu;aww
1410625;1455973792;fluffypony;:(
1410626;1455974028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00056078 = 29.9176 BTC [-] {2} 
1410627;1455974455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190200 @ 0.00055866 = 106.2571 BTC [-] {3} 
1410628;1455974792;shinohai;T_T
1410629;1455975492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198477 @ 0.00056702 = 112.5404 BTC [+] {2} 
1410630;1455975553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30164 @ 0.00056818 = 17.1386 BTC [+]
1410631;1455976163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00056861 = 1.8707 BTC [+]
1410632;1455977139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0005693 = 17.1359 BTC [+] {2} 
1410633;1455977897;asciilifeform;eco!
1410634;1455977925;asciilifeform;who is even left, now, who was anything, culturally.
1410635;1455977947;asciilifeform;in other western civ nyooz,
1410636;1455977952;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35611906?post_id=1162541470438167_1353583394667306
1410637;1455977954;assbot;Sex with animals remains banned in Germany as legal bid fails - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr8EV6 )
1410638;1455978053;mircea_popescu;what's the jew's name
1410639;1455978057;mircea_popescu;chomsky
1410640;1455978248;asciilifeform;l0l, he's a...
1410641;1455978262;asciilifeform;sorta like zhirinovsky
1410642;1455978275;asciilifeform;pet opposition
1410643;1455978289;asciilifeform;https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnARobles/status/700938057105678336/photo/1 << wut
1410644;1455978290;assbot;Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOiCCl )
1410645;1455978298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25166 @ 0.00055787 = 14.0394 BTC [-] {2} 
1410646;1455978470;punkman;want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_garlic_%28food%29
1410647;1455978471;assbot;Black garlic (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr9uBt )
1410648;1455978729;punkman;http://anarchadia.com/2013/10/14/edward-snowden-is-mark-zuckerbergs-cousin/
1410649;1455978732;assbot;EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN - Anarchadia - Underground Anarchism Since 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOjmam )
1410650;1455978935;punkman;I'm picturing a bum shouting "EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN" at people in a park
1410651;1455979007;mircea_popescu;i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.
1410652;1455979019;mircea_popescu;what's such a bigdeal about cousinage ?
1410653;1455980750;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-001-009.pdf << part2 of crapple l0ltron
1410654;1455980756;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuDGd8 )
1410655;1455980756;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1410656;1455980839;shinohai;./Classic:0.11.2/985 nodes - (16.02%)
1410657;1455980966;shinohai;There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333
1410658;1455981030;asciilifeform;what happened to the other ~1000 ?
1410659;1455981064;shinohai;maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.
1410660;1455981065;asciilifeform;aws went up a penny? sooo sad
1410661;1455981104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80953 @ 0.00055787 = 45.1613 BTC [-]
1410662;1455981138;asciilifeform;i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth
1410663;1455981378;mircea_popescu;shinohai> There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333 << write the boss and ask. sounds like a decent qntra piece.
1410664;1455981388;mircea_popescu;"classic running on stolen infrastructure - perpetrator reprimanded"
1410665;1455981419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick  and harry.
1410666;1455981482;asciilifeform;what, bot-herding directorate had hdd crash?
1410667;1455981545;asciilifeform;(b) i can see, but ph0rkatron is what if not ordered by the fuhrer?
1410668;1455981682;mircea_popescu;fuhrer orders many things, pays for few or none.
1410669;1455981696;mircea_popescu;what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?
1410670;1455981767;asciilifeform;it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
1410671;1455981803;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1410672;1455981821;mircea_popescu;that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.
1410673;1455981963;asciilifeform;every fire is in the head until not, sorta how it works, or bag men would all have empty bags
1410674;1455982013;asciilifeform;and what, after syria usg is out of matches?
1410675;1455982024;mircea_popescu;yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.
1410676;1455982080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00055945 = 18.7416 BTC [+]
1410677;1455982090;asciilifeform;usg can turn their - or any other nato bitchdom's - air defenses off with one button.
1410678;1455982136;mircea_popescu;notrly, the turks have a lot of russian stuff too.
1410679;1455982147;mircea_popescu;and apparently even the very little syria had was ample
1410680;1455982162;asciilifeform;ru will helpfully switch off the ru boxes
1410681;1455982176;asciilifeform;nobody loves the poor turkz.
1410682;1455982184;mircea_popescu;pretty sad really.
1410683;1455982192;asciilifeform;aha!
1410684;1455982200;asciilifeform;like last time.
1410685;1455982211;asciilifeform;in 1918
1410686;1455982231;mircea_popescu;or to quote http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#selection-137.473-137.622
1410687;1455982233;assbot;Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGeI8 )
1410688;1455982264;asciilifeform;oh forfuxxsake
1410689;1455982279;asciilifeform;how do i view the thing??!
1410690;1455982284;asciilifeform;on what.
1410691;1455982288;asciilifeform;vax?
1410692;1455982300;mircea_popescu;don't tell me it magically doesn't work again ?
1410693;1455982309;asciilifeform;aha
1410694;1455982342;mircea_popescu;now how the fuck does this happen, it's not changed since when you said ti worked days ago ?!
1410695;1455982355;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/ssbyP#selection-171.473-171.622 < does that work ?
1410696;1455982356;assbot;Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGt5Q )
1410697;1455982423;asciilifeform;~this~ works.
1410698;1455982432;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1410699;1455982466;asciilifeform;the one that worked, worked on a crapple box.
1410700;1455982470;asciilifeform;'chrome'
1410701;1455982494;mircea_popescu;and right now ?
1410702;1455982509;asciilifeform;the archive link works on 'chromium'
1410703;1455982514;asciilifeform;but not on crapple
1410704;1455982526;mircea_popescu;...
1410705;1455982531;asciilifeform;i have nfi.
1410706;1455982585;*;mircea_popescu dreams of one day having a fucking html document presentation stack that allows this to work.
1410707;1455982594;mircea_popescu;it's the one innovation since a href that's worth having.
1410708;1455982607;asciilifeform;ted nelson described it in ~1970
1410709;1455982611;asciilifeform;!s transclusion
1410710;1455982613;assbot;0 results for 'transclusion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transclusion
1410711;1455982615;asciilifeform;hm.
1410712;1455982621;asciilifeform;!s xanadu
1410713;1455982622;assbot;6 results for 'xanadu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xanadu
1410714;1455982677;mircea_popescu;good for him so where is it.
1410715;1455982693;asciilifeform;nowhere, he got openbsd'd.
1410716;1455982706;asciilifeform;(don't even bother looking at the thing that got 'released' a few yrs back.)
1410717;1455982749;asciilifeform;nelson is an interesting case of failed inventor, i have all of his published materials here and studied very carefull
1410718;1455982750;asciilifeform;y
1410719;1455982783;asciilifeform;at one point, after decades of futile crackpottery, he made phriends with some money fella and actually got funded, but turned out that this did not help
1410720;1455982784;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1410721;1455982822;asciilifeform;'brogrammers' frittered away the funds, whole thing collapsed in a giant black hole of mismanagement, graft, and varied charlatanry
1410722;1455982859;mircea_popescu;it rarely helps.
1410723;1455982870;mircea_popescu;giving money / cunt / whatever to "engineer" minded idiots is a monumental waste.
1410724;1455982879;asciilifeform;he was not equipped to birth the thing with own hands
1410725;1455982887;asciilifeform;(not that anyone would have given money for that)
1410726;1455982920;asciilifeform;money is 'given' so that you can 'buy 200 mil of ads from arsebook, who gave it' as per mircea_popescu's article.
1410727;1455982921;mircea_popescu;but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
1410728;1455982940;asciilifeform;me too
1410729;1455983566;asciilifeform;~6G occupied by trb on dulap after 40 days. nb.
1410730;1455984062;mircea_popescu;!rate gaxaro 1 Euloran
1410731;1455984062;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/226e30cf1ca1875f
1410732;1455984082;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gaxaro.1:d3988c802eaefea702616d83201ea61045b6ddd590ef3129643656c8b3dd2dd3
1410733;1455984082;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gaxaro with note: Euloran
1410734;1455984094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123277 @ 0.00056908 = 70.1545 BTC [+] {2} 
1410735;1455984729;BingoBoingo;Someone gets it http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46764
1410736;1455984731;assbot;FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQG1Lp )
1410737;1455985037;pete_dushenski;https://c1.oliveoiltim.es/library/ucd-2010-report.pdf << costco is one of the few mega-corps who doesn't cheat on what they call 'extra virgin' olive oil.
1410738;1455985152;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Or was better at not getting caught
1410739;1455985176;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
1410740;1455985177;assbot;Lecture 36  ROM-EPROM,EEPROM and Flash EPROM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQGMEh )
1410741;1455985192;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: like crapple
1410742;1455985218;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: crapple or anyone else big enough to put on a show for the people
1410743;1455985249;pete_dushenski;'lights, camera, craption!'
1410744;1455985253;mircea_popescu;lol
1410745;1455985314;mircea_popescu;in other news, the things yo ugotta do to get girl to tan without lines : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9a9f5cebcfbd61915ef997e9a9eade88/tumblr_mxrzq2yiwW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1410746;1455985318;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQH0ez )
1410747;1455985360;punkman;she'd get tan lines from the chains tho
1410748;1455985378;mircea_popescu;there is no escape!11
1410749;1455985424;punkman;clear plastic chains!
1410750;1455985437;mircea_popescu;still block uv
1410751;1455985454;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410670 << more like gets paid in "we iz ko-moo-nitee"
1410752;1455985454;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 15:22:47; asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?
1410753;1455985473;pete_dushenski;feelings as currency - worth ~usd at this point
1410754;1455985475;mircea_popescu;payment in feelers!
1410755;1455985489;mircea_popescu;in which field eulora is again one step ahead - you can literally ask to be paid in feelings.
1410756;1455985492;pete_dushenski;dingdingding
1410757;1455985560;mircea_popescu;they're really cheap, too
1410758;1455985608;pete_dushenski;'best price for you, my friend'
1410759;1455985620;mircea_popescu;lol
1410760;1455985631;*;BingoBoingo is just starting to confront the magnitude of crapple stockholm syndrome on that qntra's comments
1410761;1455985654;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410727 << is today the big day ?
1410762;1455985654;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 15:42:01; mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor
1410763;1455985677;mircea_popescu;*fingers crossed*
1410764;1455985699;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: possibly.
1410765;1455985730;asciilifeform;likely to soak up all of tomorrow too.
1410766;1455985816;pete_dushenski;well, break a leg out there
1410767;1455985902;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1410768;1455985906;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/nyt-usg-16-0219.pdf << preeeeeeet!
1410769;1455985912;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQI02u )
1410770;1455985916;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: if cupertino syndrome can happen to alf... what hope is there for the common man ?
1410771;1455985941;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally
1410772;1455985952;pete_dushenski;iph0ne1`11!!!
1410773;1455985983;pete_dushenski;'infinite loop syndrome' works too
1410774;1455986026;pete_dushenski;(apple's hq is located at #1 infinite loop in cupertino ca)
1410775;1455986118;pete_dushenski;looks like we'll hit block 400`000 this weekend eh
1410776;1455986145;BingoBoingo;We have synthesis apparently https://archive.is/gtO5a
1410777;1455986146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQIplj )
1410778;1455986157;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1410779;1455986158;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.3, Best ask: 435.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.36, 24 hour volume: 23935.00095199, 24 hour low: 417.57, 24 hour high: 437.58, 24 hour vwap: None
1410780;1455986161;pete_dushenski;^and liftoff
1410781;1455986219;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: typical 'tree tweaks' (tm) (r)
1410782;1455987136;asciilifeform;megatonnes of crapolade in blox for week+ now
1410783;1455987249;mircea_popescu;aha.
1410784;1455987427;BingoBoingo;Apparently code 3 months, trigger at least 1 year+ from now, but negotiations apparently ongoing
1410785;1455987479;mircea_popescu;they can "negotiate" until they fall over.
1410786;1455987515;BingoBoingo;Still, theater
1410787;1455987546;mircea_popescu;the unmitigated audacity of schmuckdom never fails to astound.
1410788;1455987587;pete_dushenski;no wonder the roman republic distrusted actors
1410789;1455987625;pete_dushenski;bbiab. farmer's market.
1410790;1455987745;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1410791;1455987752;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2890.15, vol: 55196.55160000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2890.15
1410792;1455987754;BingoBoingo;!up micheieh
1410793;1455987847;mircea_popescu;anyway, situation reminds me of the time some derpy vc schmucks flew over to asia to "save mtgox consensus".
1410794;1455987883;mircea_popescu;i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.
1410795;1455988360;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Apparently reddit is racis https://archive.is/MRvO0
1410796;1455988361;assbot;NO BLACKS ALLOWED IN THE BITCOIN SPACE! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHGO7t )
1410797;1455989950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00057184 = 34.7107 BTC [+] {2} 
1410798;1455990300;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b70
1410799;1455990547;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Rises Above 163 Billion - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-rises-above-163-billion/
1410800;1455990599;punkman;alphago bet back to even odds eh
1410801;1455990763;asciilifeform;need moar reddit coinz
1410802;1455990764;BingoBoingo;This is bullish for alf wallet
1410803;1455990781;punkman;any idea how many cpus/gpus alphago will use in the match?
1410804;1455990786;asciilifeform;maxint
1410805;1455990926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266483 @ 0.00057215 = 152.4682 BTC [+] {5} 
1410806;1455991005;punkman;has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
1410807;1455991047;asciilifeform;punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.
1410808;1455991126;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387284 btw all I've read said no handicap
1410809;1455991126;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 23:48:23; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games
1410810;1455991343;deedbot-;[Qntra] Tampa Police Refuse To Work Plus Sized Star's Event After Insult - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tampa-police-refuse-to-work-plus-sized-stars-event-after-insult/
1410811;1455992390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80477 @ 0.000573 = 46.1133 BTC [+] {2} 
1410812;1455993793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 14675 @ 0.00023316 = 3.4216 BTC [-]
1410813;1455993976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00057339 = 47.9927 BTC [+]
1410814;1455994119;asciilifeform;http://visual6502.org/JSSim << in other oldies.
1410815;1455994120;assbot;Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMH4u )
1410816;1455994150;asciilifeform;http://visual6502.org/JSSim/expert.html << even better.
1410817;1455994151;assbot;Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMIFG )
1410818;1455994341;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr
1410819;1455994341;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00023316 / 0.00023536 / 0.0002676 (16150 shares, 3.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040735 / 0.00049913 (54640 shares, 22.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040332 / 0.00049913 (197184 shares, 79.53 BTC)
1410820;1455994380;asciilifeform;PHYSICAL simulation of the thing, based on photographed and ocr'd dies, with animation.
1410821;1455994463;BingoBoingo;holy shit
1410822;1455994580;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: neat
1410823;1455994586;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/ << your girls?
1410824;1455994588;assbot;Letters from the stupid country on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mONzWN )
1410825;1455994603;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: written in browsercrud even. imagine what could be done on an ~actual~ comp
1410826;1455994837;ben_vulpes;simulate a whole computer, shock, awe
1410827;1455994917;asciilifeform;was thinking re: how 'moore's law', even in its heyday, did not substantially affect the inflation-adjusted COST of having a chip baked
1410828;1455994939;asciilifeform;because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'
1410829;1455994959;asciilifeform;(the nre cost is what i'm speaking of)
1410830;1455995019;ben_vulpes;masks and shots were never terribly affected by moore's law itself
1410831;1455995031;asciilifeform;nor the meat labour
1410832;1455995064;asciilifeform;and if anything, the relevant tooling operations are now ~rarer~, more involved, costlier, the qualified folks - fewer.
1410833;1455995069;ben_vulpes;subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
1410834;1455995089;ben_vulpes;"what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
1410835;1455995125;asciilifeform;it takes ~16 yrs. to make a process tech.
1410836;1455995130;asciilifeform;starting from zygote.
1410837;1455995151;asciilifeform;if you think '6 mo' it is because someone did this work for you, for phree
1410838;1455995166;ben_vulpes;i'm not even talking about the incubating
1410839;1455995211;ben_vulpes;i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...
1410840;1455995217;mod6; email got snarffed
1410841;1455995237;ben_vulpes;but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities
1410842;1455995242;ben_vulpes;we were making probes
1410843;1455995289;ben_vulpes;and then there's the economic differences: barista can dream of what -- going on tour? owning their own coffee shop? writing a best selling memoir about...running a coffee shop and going on tour?
1410844;1455995311;ben_vulpes;process tech at least can hold out hope they'll move into mgmt if they go to night school and get that b.s.
1410845;1455995575;mod6;both emails snarffed.
1410846;1455995598;mod6;jurov: do you see any issues on your side?  my signed email verifies, etc, everything looks good from my side. ^
1410847;1455995616;mod6;anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^
1410848;1455995699;jurov;yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
1410849;1455995717;jurov;will check
1410850;1455995776;mod6;ALL: the website has been updated with the newest V [v99995]
1410851;1455995940;mod6;TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1410852;1455995941;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
1410853;1455995955;jurov;O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
1410854;1455995957;mod6;Once we have confirmation, we can update the wiki -- this needs to happen TODAY.
1410855;1455995982;mod6;gernika, shinohai, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, hanbot, et. al. ^
1410856;1455996025;ben_vulpes;aha
1410857;1455996035;ben_vulpes;mod6: i was actually looking for tha
1410858;1455996052;ben_vulpes;man fuck weechat's half-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls
1410859;1455996066;ben_vulpes;oh thank god
1410860;1455996068;ben_vulpes;it's the weekend
1410861;1455996072;ben_vulpes;i can close xcode
1410862;1455996084;phf;you know what has non hasl-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls? erc :]
1410863;1455996104;ben_vulpes;phf: no bullllyyyyyy
1410864;1455996119;phf;b-a is ma safe space
1410865;1455996143;ben_vulpes;phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
1410866;1455996156;mod6;thanks jurov
1410867;1455996157;ben_vulpes;very distracting when it comes to getting work done.
1410868;1455996173;ben_vulpes;smpt SASL << wut
1410869;1455996174;phf;yeah, i agree actually
1410870;1455996213;ben_vulpes;phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
1410871;1455996216;phf;i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc
1410872;1455996697;jurov;mod6 looks like it's fixed, my test email went through.... check whether your email was queued
1410873;1455996709;jurov;whether it needs to be resent
1410874;1455996965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057339 = 15.6249 BTC [+]
1410875;1455996986;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851   <<< on it
1410876;1455996986;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1410877;1455997093;mod6;thanks shinohai
1410878;1455997107;mod6;jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.
1410879;1455997151;jurov;about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
1410880;1455997206;pete_dushenski;mod6: what are the differences between 99995 and 99996_2 ?
1410881;1455997243;mod6;it's in the email that was snarffed.
1410882;1455997261;mod6;but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails
1410883;1455997266;*;pete_dushenski goes to blackhole in outer space where snarfs live to read
1410884;1455997270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00056927 = 52.8283 BTC [-] {2} 
1410885;1455997295;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html
1410886;1455997296;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm )
1410887;1455997302;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html
1410888;1455997303;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )
1410889;1455997308;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html
1410890;1455997309;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm )
1410891;1455997315;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html
1410892;1455997316;assbot;[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )
1410893;1455997375;mod6;pete_dushenski: if you want an actual vdiff of the changes, refer to BETA 4 email, the latest is contained.
1410894;1455997387;pete_dushenski;aha. cheers!
1410895;1455997433;mod6;actually.
1410896;1455997456;mod6;99996_2 is not a V release -- it is a 'build-bitcoind' script version.
1410897;1455997503;mod6;and the difference between 99996_2 and 99995 build scripts is nothing more than updating the SHA512 for V-20160220.tar.gz and the name of the tarball.
1410898;1455997889;mod6;but yah, anyway, the differences between V [v99996] and [v99995] are outlined in the above emails, and ya, the last one [beta 4] has a complete vdiff between the too.
1410899;1455997892;mod6;s/too/two
1410900;1455997957;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410853 << wai wut where was this ??
1410901;1455997957;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:15; jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it
1410902;1455997984;jurov;on a mail server
1410903;1455997986;pete_dushenski;mod6: cool :D
1410904;1455998084;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 << this builds ancient ver
1410905;1455998084;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1410906;1455998123;asciilifeform;i mean wut, no malleus ?
1410907;1455998143;asciilifeform;no verstring
1410908;1455998147;asciilifeform;etc
1410909;1455998170;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405198
1410910;1455998170;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different.  if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
1410911;1455998183;asciilifeform;hm
1410912;1455998196;asciilifeform;why ?
1410913;1455998259;asciilifeform;imho the scripts such as this should make it ~clear what will be pressed~
1410914;1455998273;asciilifeform;from reading with naked eye.
1410915;1455998305;jurov;mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist."
1410916;1455998403;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built
1410917;1455998417;asciilifeform;no good
1410918;1455998429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54837 @ 0.00057339 = 31.443 BTC [+]
1410919;1455998431;asciilifeform;for one thing, no label
1410920;1455998464;pete_dushenski;on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
1410921;1455998503;asciilifeform;for other, we have a number of these sh floating around and this is maddening
1410922;1455998637;asciilifeform;but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
1410923;1455998667;asciilifeform;gotta nail down the workingset used.
1410924;1455998742;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410879 << this is urgently needed
1410925;1455998742;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:39:11; jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(
1410926;1455998762;asciilifeform;i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign
1410927;1455998780;asciilifeform;but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
1410928;1455998799;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: in my admittedly meagre understanding of v, the working set is determined by the .wot set, no ? and isn't this about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-02-2016#1404304 ?
1410929;1455998799;assbot;Logged on 13-02-2016 02:06:58; mircea_popescu: trust people, not code.
1410930;1455998826;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
1410931;1455998845;asciilifeform;it has to come from somewhere.
1410932;1455998864;asciilifeform;and right now the situation is ridiculous.
1410933;1455998866;phf;i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload
1410934;1455998867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )
1410935;1455998893;asciilifeform;where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?
1410936;1455998907;phf;^-
1410937;1455998941;asciilifeform;that arm looks familiar...
1410938;1455999155;phf;oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)
1410939;1455999170;asciilifeform;lol
1410940;1455999194;asciilifeform;ideally patch hopper oughta deedbot also.
1410941;1455999204;asciilifeform;and work in channel.
1410942;1455999252;phf;much wip
1410943;1455999283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056711 = 34.6504 BTC [-] {3} 
1410944;1455999286;asciilifeform;?
1410945;1455999347;ben_vulpes;pressing to a head should simply recurse to the root of that head
1410946;1455999351;ben_vulpes;i have always said this.
1410947;1455999357;ben_vulpes;one thing and one thing only.
1410948;1455999369;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: breaks parallel leaves
1410949;1455999379;asciilifeform;ergo useless.
1410950;1455999381;jurov;asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
1410951;1455999391;ben_vulpes;explain the use of parallel leaves?
1410952;1455999428;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: do you want the motherfuckng db lock fix omitted from your build?!
1410953;1455999435;asciilifeform;think for a minute.
1410954;1455999446;ben_vulpes;ah shit that has no descendents?
1410955;1455999450;asciilifeform;while looking at the graph
1410956;1455999515;asciilifeform;jurov: nfi
1410957;1455999523;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ok ok
1410958;1455999529;asciilifeform;but this must be made to work.
1410959;1455999561;ben_vulpes;press an explicit set of leaves?
1410960;1455999575;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that would work
1410961;1455999583;ben_vulpes;ugh mod6 does this thing actually kill my terminal session when it dies?
1410962;1455999592;asciilifeform;i intended this originally
1410963;1455999602;phf;have a list of patches that are to be pressed made manually?
1410964;1455999605;*;phf ducks
1410965;1455999647;asciilifeform;phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands
1410966;1455999675;phf;therein lies the joke
1410967;1455999684;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1410968;1455999686;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TY12GN.txt )
1410969;1455999719;asciilifeform;hey if you recall, this was actually goodenuff for me
1410970;1455999741;asciilifeform;i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried
1410971;1455999812;ben_vulpes;mod6: didja run off?
1410972;1455999826;asciilifeform;and threatened to take up cvs or whatnot savagery
1410973;1455999835;ben_vulpes;savagery lol
1410974;1455999852;ben_vulpes;french toast is what shall be delivered, bbl
1410975;1455999861;ben_vulpes;mod6: script does not work for me, complains about mismatched hashes
1410976;1455999870;ben_vulpes;also murdered my terminal session
1410977;1455999891;phf;mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain?
1410978;1456000076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70582 @ 0.00057339 = 40.471 BTC [+]
1410979;1456000137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00057355 = 13.5272 BTC [+]
1410980;1456000185;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1410982;1456000197;BingoBoingo;;;more
1410983;1456000197;gribble;445.829871266
1410984;1456000220;BingoBoingo;^ Spread is suspicously tight. Where did the China premium go?
1410985;1456000625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00057325 = 23.5606 BTC [-]
1410986;1456000863;deedbot-;[Qntra] Chainalysis Partners With Only Possible Customer - http://qntra.net/2016/02/chainalysis-partners-with-only-possible-customer/
1410987;1456000895;ben_vulpes;mod6:  i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
1410988;1456000926;ben_vulpes;previous hash mismatches appear to be something wacky with this gentoo vm on my macbook
1410989;1456000940;*;ben_vulpes throws up hands in disgust
1410990;1456001105;ben_vulpes;going to have fun running that the fuck down.
1410991;1456001174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54769 @ 0.00056887 = 31.1564 BTC [-]
1410992;1456001400;phf;favorite gpgme error, "err-no-error"
1410993;1456001956;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: do you have buildroot dood's dsa sig in your gpg keyring ?
1410994;1456001969;pete_dushenski;*dsa key
1410995;1456002035;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390869
1410996;1456002035;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:38; assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard " imported
1410997;1456002539;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have  been the case
1410998;1456002627;ben_vulpes;and yes i have it in my keychain
1410999;1456002638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19472 @ 0.00056897 = 11.079 BTC [+] {2} 
1411000;1456002645;ben_vulpes;that's right, that part of the build scripts runs with the user gpg keychain
1411001;1456002647;ben_vulpes;STATE
1411002;1456002649;ben_vulpes;AUGH
1411003;1456002689;pete_dushenski;lol
1411004;1456003126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0005686 = 25.9282 BTC [-] {2} 
1411005;1456003247;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410806 << computer assisted dating, also.
1411006;1456003247;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 17:56:45; punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?
1411007;1456003309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00056646 = 52.5108 BTC [-] {3} 
1411008;1456003418;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410834 << starbux barrista probably takes one week on on the workplace.
1411009;1456003418;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:04:49; ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"
1411010;1456003422;mircea_popescu;what "train"
1411011;1456003460;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth
1411012;1456003594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410869 << stop trying to resist the lure of the b-a commissariat!
1411013;1456003594;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually
1411014;1456003779;mod6;ok did a build on my gentoo with 'build-bitcoind-V99995.sh' and looks fine: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4889056 Feb 20 21:24 bitcoind
1411015;1456003795;mod6;ben_vulpes, shinohai, jurov
1411016;1456003807;mod6;let's get some pastes and see what's goin on here.
1411017;1456003815;ben_vulpes;just dumb shit mod6
1411018;1456003831;mod6;<+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.
1411019;1456003848;mod6;ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?
1411020;1456003884;ben_vulpes;no, just that i keep seeing that error.
1411021;1456003897;ben_vulpes;and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.
1411022;1456003899;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://45.media.tumblr.com/d94a622dacfd972d5214c5bc590c8d46/tumblr_nnwbfyaOd41tpspkgo1_500.gif
1411023;1456003902;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dbF )
1411024;1456003916;jurov;mod6: http://dpaste.com/3W7EQM4
1411025;1456003918;assbot;dpaste: 3W7EQM4: V99995 ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dZd )
1411026;1456003923;mod6;ben_vulpes: ok. lemme check on mine.
1411027;1456003929;mod6;ugh. im so tired of this fucking shit.
1411028;1456003941;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha ?
1411029;1456004017;ben_vulpes;mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
1411030;1456004029;ben_vulpes;i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm
1411031;1456004038;mod6;mine doesn't do that at all.
1411032;1456004046;ben_vulpes;blows up on the .gitignore which iirc is an empty file
1411033;1456004049;mod6;i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.
1411034;1456004057;ben_vulpes;mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
1411035;1456004058;mod6;shinohai: you saw something similar too right?
1411036;1456004063;mircea_popescu;mod6 love computers yet ? :D
1411037;1456004068;mod6;i hate computers. yes.
1411038;1456004073;mod6;kill them all.
1411039;1456004076;mircea_popescu;:)))
1411040;1456004102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99316 @ 0.00057126 = 56.7353 BTC [+] {2} 
1411041;1456004105;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to be a pimp – a simple yet understandable and still exhaustive guide, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/20/how-to-be-a-pimp-a-simple-yet-understandable-and-still-exhaustive-guide-translated/
1411042;1456004113;mod6;these godddam fucking cocksuckers are going to give ole mod6 a heart attack.
1411043;1456004159;pete_dushenski;;;later tell gabrielradio my turn on your turn is live. thanks for the assist :)
1411044;1456004159;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411045;1456004178;jurov;let's come play eulora instead and watch few bitcents of stuff go *poof* !
1411046;1456004181;mod6;<+jurov> mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist." << create your .wot in the same dir that you place the build script, create a log of your findings, and see what happens plz.
1411047;1456004194;mircea_popescu;jurov noob just turned 1 adze + 30 threads into 40k.
1411048;1456004216;mod6;<+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.  << ok but how should this work
1411049;1456004258;ben_vulpes;mod6: see the rest of the thread. provide an explicit list of leaves to press.
1411050;1456004271;jurov;mod6 did "cp -rp ~/.wot ." , same result
1411051;1456004272;mod6;i can't do this.
1411052;1456004281;mircea_popescu;uh
1411053;1456004282;mod6;this is too much work for one guy.
1411054;1456004289;jurov;it insists on having .wot in /
1411055;1456004291;mod6;we need someone to maintain a V that makes sense.
1411056;1456004308;mircea_popescu;mod6 take it easy for a second, will you ? nopanic!
1411057;1456004310;pete_dushenski;mod6: breathe !
1411058;1456004320;mod6;jurov: the changes to V look for .wot and .seals in the pwd.
1411059;1456004325;jurov;mircea_popescu: why are you telling me that?
1411060;1456004336;mod6;is your pwd / ?
1411061;1456004337;mircea_popescu;i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!
1411062;1456004347;jurov;mod6 see the paste - no it is not.
1411063;1456004356;*;mod6 looks
1411064;1456004382;mod6;why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?
1411065;1456004401;pete_dushenski;mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
1411066;1456004423;mod6;jurov:
1411067;1456004430;mod6;ok, so first, get rid of this crud
1411068;1456004432;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.
1411069;1456004432;mod6;"LC_ALL=C LANG=C"
1411070;1456004453;mod6;then place .wot in "/data/juro/btc/V99995"
1411071;1456004476;mod6;if it is, then there might be some sort of issue.  i'll have to dig in to that.  can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?
1411072;1456004512;shinohai;mod6 the .gitignore comes from not removing the old directory
1411073;1456004521;mod6;what old dir?
1411074;1456004525;mod6;please start clean on this.
1411075;1456004530;jurov;mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result
1411076;1456004532;mod6;new build dir, the whole 9
1411077;1456004557;jurov;cleaned up eveything, there is now only .wot and build-bitcoind-V99995.sh, same result
1411078;1456004563;shinohai;if you have a rotor dir and try to run script it fails.
1411079;1456004570;mod6;yup
1411080;1456004571;mod6;ok clean.
1411081;1456004572;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ?
1411082;1456004572;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
1411083;1456004572;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:06; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set
1411084;1456004635;ben_vulpes;mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin
1411085;1456004639;mircea_popescu;i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.
1411086;1456004649;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
1411087;1456004655;mod6;ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.
1411088;1456004670;mod6;this is the worst of all worlds.
1411089;1456004681;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410927 << if you send them to me ima mail them o.O
1411090;1456004681;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
1411091;1456004698;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: only if "actual test cycles" only means "#b-a test cycles"
1411092;1456004702;ben_vulpes;and yes, things are getting faster.
1411093;1456004703;mircea_popescu;mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.
1411094;1456004713;mod6;until we finally get a test branch and so on and so forth, this stuff has to be ~perfect~ or we've got zip
1411095;1456004725;BingoBoingo;Oh, the urls that lead spam nowadays http://dpaste.com/0NXTYK4.txt
1411096;1456004727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20MaK1D )
1411097;1456004728;mircea_popescu;the pointer in that convo is currently at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2016#1408041 but do read the prev.
1411098;1456004728;assbot;Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
1411099;1456004731;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not a list of patches a list of *leaves*
1411100;1456004743;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.
1411101;1456004745;mircea_popescu;wtf!
1411102;1456004757;ben_vulpes;"i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"
1411103;1456004766;mircea_popescu;i never said that.
1411104;1456004784;ben_vulpes;did i say that you did?!
1411105;1456004796;mircea_popescu;who are you quoting then ? or what is that ?
1411106;1456004809;phf;asciilifeform said that
1411107;1456004811;ben_vulpes;what one might say to a V implementation.
1411108;1456004818;mircea_popescu;one who is broken in the head may say that.
1411109;1456004834;mircea_popescu;the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
1411110;1456004862;ben_vulpes;then press to a release patch, fin.
1411111;1456004890;ben_vulpes;what you and i need from V diverge.
1411112;1456004919;mircea_popescu;does what i and you need from a hammer also diverge ?
1411113;1456004924;ben_vulpes;unless you expect it to be only and ever a release tool and not a tool for people actually working on the thing to use in their workflow.
1411114;1456004943;mircea_popescu;it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.
1411115;1456004944;ben_vulpes;you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.
1411116;1456004948;mircea_popescu;but in this i may be wrong.
1411117;1456004989;ben_vulpes;perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
1411118;1456005011;mircea_popescu;should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?
1411119;1456005024;mircea_popescu;perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?
1411120;1456005033;ben_vulpes;*i* want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
1411121;1456005042;mircea_popescu;good! fine!
1411122;1456005052;mircea_popescu;and you want emacs to i dunno what ! who's keepin ya!
1411123;1456005070;ben_vulpes;you will get a release patch and you will press to it. there is your hammer.
1411124;1456005104;ben_vulpes;there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"
1411125;1456005107;mircea_popescu;i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
1411126;1456005140;mircea_popescu;the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
1411127;1456005149;mod6;jurov: this is what i'm seeing on my gentoo fwiw: http://dpaste.com/37164CX.txt
1411128;1456005150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIg6LM )
1411129;1456005154;mircea_popescu;the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"
1411130;1456005155;mod6;im not sure why yours is saying that.
1411131;1456005162;jurov;mod6 `pwd` returns nothing on my machine /o\
1411132;1456005174;mod6;then your machine is hosed.
1411133;1456005180;mircea_popescu;jurov that's a new one ?!
1411134;1456005193;ben_vulpes;how is this "user's script" not precisely the windows release?
1411135;1456005200;mod6;ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
1411136;1456005221;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that's what i said.
1411137;1456005250;*;mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.
1411138;1456005285;ben_vulpes;try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out
1411139;1456005416;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
1411140;1456005446;mircea_popescu;let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
1411141;1456005473;mircea_popescu;which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
1411142;1456005473;ben_vulpes;from 'how the wot is attacked'?
1411143;1456005476;mircea_popescu;yes.
1411144;1456005599;ben_vulpes;so bear with me: how is 'v' not groupthink incarnate?
1411145;1456005638;mircea_popescu;your v apparently is. hence my windoes comment.
1411146;1456005642;mircea_popescu;but V itself is not, at all.
1411147;1456005653;*;ben_vulpes is hit by a particularly unpleasant revelatory wave
1411148;1456005659;mircea_popescu;hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
1411149;1456005684;mircea_popescu;ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.
1411150;1456005690;mircea_popescu;but the insanity is found in all heads.
1411151;1456005706;mircea_popescu;and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.
1411152;1456005803;ben_vulpes;i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?
1411153;1456005807;mircea_popescu;in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
1411154;1456005823;mircea_popescu;mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it
1411155;1456005910;mircea_popescu;but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
1411156;1456005937;mircea_popescu;it is in fact the llvm-ing of the v.
1411157;1456005953;*;ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun to tell east from west
1411158;1456005959;mircea_popescu;;/
1411159;1456006022;ben_vulpes;the turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric tool?
1411160;1456006030;ben_vulpes;'code monkey' excuse me
1411161;1456006088;mircea_popescu;mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
1411162;1456006160;mircea_popescu;i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
1411163;1456006164;ben_vulpes;i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.
1411164;1456006169;mircea_popescu;do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.
1411165;1456006187;BingoBoingo;More "history rhymes" https://archive.is/5ya5Q
1411166;1456006189;assbot;And as for actual WordPress pingbacks .... you should probably switch 'em off • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIiemI )
1411167;1456006235;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
1411168;1456006446;mod6;alright gentlemen.
1411169;1456006454;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"
1411170;1456006461;mircea_popescu;asswipes.
1411171;1456006477;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yup
1411172;1456006481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101610 @ 0.00056522 = 57.432 BTC [-] {2} 
1411173;1456006485;mod6;I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.
1411174;1456006497;mircea_popescu;really mod6 no reason to get worked up.
1411175;1456006508;mod6;if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get through this one step at a time tonight.
1411176;1456006510;mircea_popescu;you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.
1411177;1456006550;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu.  I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.
1411178;1456006591;mircea_popescu;yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.
1411179;1456006621;mod6;Ok. Will do, Sir.
1411180;1456006647;mod6;Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.
1411181;1456006692;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410932 << ridiculous is not a reason to go back to the fucking insane asylum!
1411182;1456006692;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.
1411183;1456006701;ben_vulpes;thanks mod6, no need to kill yourself driving at 90mph
1411184;1456006787;mircea_popescu;actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :
1411185;1456006823;ben_vulpes;i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here
1411186;1456006840;mircea_popescu;moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
1411187;1456006847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68650 @ 0.00056839 = 39.02 BTC [+]
1411188;1456006873;mircea_popescu;he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.
1411189;1456006895;mircea_popescu;the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.
1411190;1456006903;mircea_popescu;depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.
1411191;1456006932;mircea_popescu;people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
1411192;1456006944;mircea_popescu;or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.
1411193;1456006964;mircea_popescu;CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,
1411194;1456006989;mircea_popescu;guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.
1411195;1456007019;mircea_popescu;now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.
1411196;1456007030;mircea_popescu;and i really don't want any of it to survive.
1411197;1456007091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00056839 = 8.9521 BTC [+]
1411198;1456007116;mircea_popescu;the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
1411199;1456007168;mircea_popescu;and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
1411200;1456007462;ben_vulpes;strictly a release tool for the free world, then.
1411201;1456007466;ben_vulpes;old habits do die hard.
1411202;1456007579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00057355 = 24.0031 BTC [+]
1411203;1456007597;mircea_popescu;it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line
1411204;1456007609;mircea_popescu;but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
1411205;1456007666;ben_vulpes;heh
1411206;1456007674;ben_vulpes;i think that i understand the windows comment now
1411207;1456007771;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer
1411208;1456007772;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411209;1456008037;jurov;mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319
1411210;1456008083;jurov;which is Peter Korsgaard uclibc pubkey
1411211;1456008106;jurov;when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes
1411212;1456008145;ben_vulpes;jurov: yes, this script uses the user keyring
1411213;1456008182;ben_vulpes;how this came to be i do not know
1411214;1456008343;phf;"i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."
1411215;1456008454;jurov;!b 1
1411216;1456008456;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07F6FE7.txt )
1411217;1456008525;mircea_popescu;lol
1411218;1456008544;mircea_popescu;point taken, but it is unavoidable.
1411219;1456008561;mircea_popescu;laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.
1411220;1456008571;mircea_popescu;the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.
1411221;1456008860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117576 @ 0.00057027 = 67.0501 BTC [-] {3} 
1411222;1456009016;BingoBoingo;HARD FORK SEGWIT https://archive.is/KMCyW
1411223;1456009017;assbot;Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReMx1c )
1411224;1456009104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52222 @ 0.00056455 = 29.4819 BTC [-]
1411225;1456009327;mircea_popescu;alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.
1411226;1456009332;mircea_popescu;Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,
1411227;1456009332;mircea_popescu;Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.
1411228;1456009349;mircea_popescu;nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
1411229;1456009357;mircea_popescu;and with that... see you on judgement day, derps.
1411230;1456009391;mircea_popescu;buncha posturing fucktards.
1411231;1456009444;BingoBoingo;EMBARGO! which spelled backwards is O GRAB ME
1411232;1456009460;mircea_popescu;lol
1411233;1456009473;mircea_popescu;no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.
1411234;1456009504;mircea_popescu;i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.
1411235;1456009529;*;BingoBoingo can't wait for halving
1411236;1456009736;mircea_popescu;are any of those schmucks in the wot even ?
1411237;1456009834;mircea_popescu;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=adam+back&fingerprint=on&op=index << random example. not a single proper key in sight. fucktard.
1411238;1456009837;assbot;Search results for 'back adam' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNIxR )
1411239;1456009840;BingoBoingo;I dunno.
1411240;1456009908;BingoBoingo;Caught one https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=BlueMatt&sign=ANY&type=RECV
1411241;1456009909;assbot;Rating Details for User 'BlueMatt' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNM0g )
1411242;1456009928;mircea_popescu;!rated bluematt
1411243;1456009928;assbot;You rated user bluematt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
1411244;1456009972;mircea_popescu;!rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
1411245;1456009972;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/76abf47d30748581
1411246;1456009993;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bluematt.-1:e5351e13fcfcf737a1944692afd5b18ff3da8f9f5ab758e6dc9ab246f4ecbbe1
1411247;1456009993;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for bluematt from 1 to -1 with note: historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.
1411248;1456010020;mircea_popescu;!rated petertodd
1411249;1456010020;assbot;You rated user petertodd on 01-May-2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: the gift cert expert..
1411250;1456010058;mircea_popescu;!rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
1411251;1456010058;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2d1905c7d032edcd
1411252;1456010075;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.petertodd.-1:6215861df810e25c971f9be4c49a19e89ca1076647faa992dc03014663b0e207
1411253;1456010075;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for petertodd from 2 to -1 with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
1411254;1456010215;mircea_popescu;!rated pgp
1411255;1456010215;assbot;You have not rated pgp.
1411256;1456010228;mircea_popescu;!rate pgp -1  random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
1411257;1456010228;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3cbb0937dd091ce6
1411258;1456010249;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.pgp.-1:03a52b052a85fd5c2db64a8c3c246194af63db19e1c77048045f7077602e6f15
1411259;1456010249;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for pgp with note:  random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.
1411260;1456010283;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.bluematt.-1:f55911525410a89ff1abb6645bfa7c0129b365c610a03b0f1df6b5f406605ce3
1411261;1456010283;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for bluematt with note: joined coup attempt
1411262;1456010340;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.petertodd.-1:b32d91457d6e7248c0ec9c9637bc394334bf33bbcdd0db0c776e16937f70f509
1411263;1456010340;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for petertodd with note: joined coup attempt
1411264;1456010391;mircea_popescu;"Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.
1411265;1456010694;jurov;mod6 it did compiled!
1411266;1456010748;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: "Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork." https://archive.is/u1Dv9
1411267;1456010749;assbot;Final Version - Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReORVX )
1411268;1456010776;mats;lol
1411269;1456010786;mircea_popescu;obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.
1411270;1456010794;mircea_popescu;at least chinese twerps pay for a meal.
1411271;1456010826;mircea_popescu;~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
1411272;1456010868;mircea_popescu;the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.
1411273;1456010977;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along
1411274;1456010977;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"
1411275;1456010990;mircea_popescu;ok!
1411276;1456011003;asciilifeform;NO to ANY networking code in v!
1411277;1456011031;mircea_popescu;as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
1411278;1456011054;mircea_popescu;eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking
1411279;1456011065;asciilifeform;and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.
1411280;1456011079;mircea_popescu;for now curl - after victory, gossipd!
1411281;1456011090;asciilifeform;for now local disk
1411282;1456011109;mircea_popescu;or that.
1411283;1456011145;asciilifeform;the central repository thing is ultra-broken
1411284;1456011148;ben_vulpes;ahaha phil went derp?
1411285;1456011164;BingoBoingo;Who's phil?
1411286;1456011165;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
1411287;1456011181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a point.
1411288;1456011194;asciilifeform;to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
1411289;1456011212;mircea_popescu;against what you have.
1411290;1456011245;asciilifeform;did this, and mod6 had to redo it all
1411291;1456011256;mircea_popescu;of course. this is intentional and by design.
1411292;1456011267;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim.
1411293;1456011267;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.
1411294;1456011271;asciilifeform;sorry.
1411295;1456011283;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1411296;1456011317;asciilifeform;we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating
1411297;1456011326;mircea_popescu;be specific!
1411298;1456011376;ben_vulpes;wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing
1411299;1456011378;ben_vulpes;https://web.archive.org/web/20120831151958/http://wtfg.com/about-us
1411300;1456011383;assbot;World Trade Financial Group | About Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIrAPr )
1411301;1456011383;asciilifeform;nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.
1411302;1456011414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ...
1411303;1456011432;asciilifeform;and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically
1411304;1456011438;mircea_popescu;"nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"
1411305;1456011455;asciilifeform;the patch set must physically come from somewhere.
1411306;1456011477;asciilifeform;say - where !
1411307;1456011481;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!
1411308;1456011487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not specified where.
1411309;1456011494;mircea_popescu;none of your business personally where either.
1411310;1456011506;mircea_popescu;if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
1411311;1456011518;mircea_popescu;discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.
1411312;1456011526;mircea_popescu;is it signed or isn't it ?
1411313;1456011551;asciilifeform;patches depend on previous patches.
1411314;1456011557;mircea_popescu;only in some worlds.
1411315;1456011571;phf;ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
1411316;1456011576;mircea_popescu;in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.
1411317;1456011588;mircea_popescu;phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.
1411318;1456011608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody stops mircea_popescu from living in a private universe.
1411319;1456011618;mircea_popescu;all universes must be private in this sense.
1411320;1456011619;phf;ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..
1411321;1456011632;asciilifeform;on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb
1411322;1456011632;mircea_popescu;the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"
1411323;1456011650;ben_vulpes;"Phil Potter \n Chief Strategy Officer \n Bitfinex"
1411324;1456011653;asciilifeform;and can't entirely move to separate planets
1411325;1456011659;ben_vulpes;dag
1411326;1456011661;mircea_popescu;i dun get what you mean asciilifeform
1411327;1456011667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207300 @ 0.00057355 = 118.8969 BTC [+]
1411328;1456011667;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ?
1411329;1456011683;ben_vulpes;phf: no, pgp.
1411330;1456011706;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.
1411331;1456011713;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411288
1411332;1456011713;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
1411333;1456011722;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: lol no i do not
1411334;1456011724;mircea_popescu;you don't "release" a patch.
1411335;1456011738;mircea_popescu;fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.
1411336;1456011745;mircea_popescu;this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.
1411337;1456011748;ben_vulpes;but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
1411338;1456011756;mircea_popescu;and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
1411339;1456011773;mircea_popescu;rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"
1411340;1456011783;mircea_popescu;it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.
1411341;1456011784;asciilifeform;its a people difference though
1411342;1456011789;asciilifeform;not machine
1411343;1456011791;mircea_popescu;o brother.
1411344;1456011807;mircea_popescu;good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.
1411345;1456011812;mircea_popescu;take them out of that swamp already.
1411346;1456011822;asciilifeform;i see no evidence for this.
1411347;1456011837;asciilifeform;their ~children~ usg, yes
1411348;1456011848;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1411349;1456011872;*;asciilifeform brb
1411350;1456013061;deedbot-;[Qntra] Khmer Rouge Leader Pleas Social Justice In Court - http://qntra.net/2016/02/khmer-rouge-leader-pleas-social-justice-in-court/
1411351;1456013249;*;pete_dushenski immediately thought of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2016#1378005 only to realise that he was racialistically lumping all the s.e. asian 20th century massacres together
1411352;1456013249;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 01:24:01; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?
1411353;1456013253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81400 @ 0.00057322 = 46.6601 BTC [-]
1411354;1456013257;pete_dushenski;for shame.
1411355;1456013314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00056821 = 40.6554 BTC [-] {2} 
1411356;1456013360;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Gotta keep them straight. What if you must leave America's hat for the malarial side of the ocean?
1411357;1456013439;pete_dushenski;america's hat's pretty enormous. there's always another corner of desolate tundra with satellite internet to set up camp in.
1411358;1456013473;BingoBoingo;I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?
1411359;1456013544;pete_dushenski;sandniggers too.
1411360;1456013871;*;mod6 reads
1411361;1456013894;mod6; b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer << ok cool!
1411362;1456013908;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 it did compiled! << wonderful!
1411363;1456014717;ben_vulpes;that sweet song of "clean socks for you! clean shirts for you!"
1411364;1456014882;mod6;nice
1411365;1456014900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00056275 = 29.1505 BTC [-] {3} 
1411366;1456014976;phf;asciilifeform: around?
1411367;1456014979;asciilifeform;aha
1411368;1456014981;asciilifeform;just in.
1411369;1456015041;phf;i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
1411370;1456015056;phf;i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?
1411371;1456015082;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.
1411372;1456015083;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )
1411373;1456015090;asciilifeform;please throw out the old crud.
1411374;1456015105;asciilifeform;afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.
1411375;1456015131;asciilifeform;the pedigree bridge isn't for pressing either.
1411376;1456015144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32841 @ 0.0005596 = 18.3778 BTC [-]
1411377;1456015146;asciilifeform;it exists to ~demonstrate~ that shiva-tinyscheme was created from the tinyscheme-genesis
1411378;1456015162;asciilifeform;you can in fact do this, by pressing the latter, and then the former
1411379;1456015182;asciilifeform;but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.
1411380;1456015261;phf;but none of these patches contain code that actually touches the bitcoin source
1411381;1456015268;asciilifeform;only shiva-part-2
1411382;1456015273;asciilifeform;which necessarily does
1411383;1456015287;asciilifeform;the split was deliberate
1411384;1456015315;phf;ooh, so shiva part 2 is the btc tree thing, where's the tinyscheme genesis is where you get the tinyscheme dependency?
1411385;1456015328;asciilifeform;in same link.
1411386;1456015349;asciilifeform;or rather, that link ~is~ tinyscheme-genesis
1411387;1456015350;phf;right
1411388;1456015382;asciilifeform;the bridge, if applied, will turn the tinyscheme into the contents of the shiva subdir in shiva-part-1
1411389;1456015394;asciilifeform;(you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED)
1411390;1456015400;asciilifeform;and MUST DIE
1411391;1456015425;asciilifeform;currenly shiva is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html ~~AND~~ http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html .
1411392;1456015426;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP )
1411393;1456015426;assbot;[BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven )
1411394;1456015443;asciilifeform;^^ the only things you need to actually build it ^^
1411395;1456015637;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411228 << sooo we have the long-awaited miner usgization ?
1411396;1456015637;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
1411397;1456015780;mircea_popescu;whatever this is.
1411398;1456015790;mircea_popescu;odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.
1411399;1456015794;mircea_popescu;but whatevs it may be.
1411400;1456015876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.0005596 = 18.9609 BTC [-]
1411401;1456016011;asciilifeform;so i reread the mega-thread,
1411402;1456016107;asciilifeform;and tentatively conclude that mircea_popescu wants everybody to have own vtree
1411403;1456016117;deedbot-;[Trilema] Valmont - http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/
1411404;1456016117;asciilifeform;and hand-backport whenever these are to converge.
1411405;1456016125;asciilifeform;which is sorta like what we did before v.
1411406;1456016157;asciilifeform;now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'
1411407;1456016175;asciilifeform;except - 1) he still have to get the actual contents of that thing somewhere
1411408;1456016198;asciilifeform;2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.
1411409;1456016254;asciilifeform;but i see what he wants in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411191 say.
1411410;1456016254;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
1411411;1456016265;asciilifeform;for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'
1411412;1456016271;asciilifeform;that a derp could one day sit down on.
1411413;1456016311;asciilifeform;but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.
1411414;1456016325;asciilifeform;it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'
1411415;1456016791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100650 @ 0.0005663 = 56.9981 BTC [+] {2} 
1411416;1456016815;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411126 << does mircea_popescu fully understand that there is NO MACHINE MERGING in v ?
1411417;1456016815;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
1411418;1456016866;asciilifeform;that is, if we end up in the position where every developer has own tree, and mircea_popescu is not content to go, e.g., 'gimme what mod6 has' - then ~mircea_popescu~ will have to 'toil and trouble' and hand-merge ?
1411419;1456016869;asciilifeform;the machine - will not do it !
1411420;1456016892;asciilifeform;and yes, this is mega-decentralized and entirely unlike what gavin does and etc. etc.
1411421;1456016918;asciilifeform;why not we also hang upside-down while doing it.
1411422;1456016922;asciilifeform;will be even more ungavin.
1411423;1456017434;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/#comment-116588
1411424;1456017435;assbot;Valmont on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRuXhe )
1411425;1456017602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah.
1411426;1456017639;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111
1411427;1456017640;BingoBoingo;so, Inversion tables join "edgerouter lite" on TMSR shopping list?
1411428;1456017650;mircea_popescu;a throne what ?
1411429;1456017657;asciilifeform;see thread
1411430;1456017661;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ??
1411431;1456017664;mircea_popescu;i am but i dun follow.
1411432;1456017675;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For hanging upside down
1411433;1456017680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !
1411434;1456017687;mircea_popescu;the foundation ?
1411435;1456017690;asciilifeform;aha
1411436;1456017695;mircea_popescu;it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
1411437;1456017699;asciilifeform;vs every man with own manually-curated tree
1411438;1456017706;asciilifeform;aha, convenience.
1411439;1456017710;mircea_popescu;right.
1411440;1456017714;asciilifeform;but ~what~ does it make convenient ?
1411441;1456017722;asciilifeform;as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
1411442;1456017730;asciilifeform;that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree
1411443;1456017735;mircea_popescu;principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
1411444;1456017754;mircea_popescu;i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
1411445;1456017767;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 462 @ 0.00254173 = 1.1743 BTC [+] {2} 
1411446;1456017769;mircea_popescu;this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
1411447;1456017788;asciilifeform;iirc he was mainly bleeding to get his vtron up to par ?
1411448;1456017802;asciilifeform;(which is a mighty spiffy thing!)
1411449;1456017803;mircea_popescu;well, without getting into the nitty details.
1411450;1456017824;mircea_popescu;but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
1411451;1456017843;mircea_popescu;having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
1411452;1456017851;mircea_popescu;a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.
1411453;1456017883;asciilifeform;i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
1411454;1456017893;mircea_popescu;bad ~environment~.
1411455;1456017901;asciilifeform;i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.
1411456;1456017916;mircea_popescu;this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.
1411457;1456017922;asciilifeform;and the few intelligent, honest folk, along for the ride
1411458;1456017925;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, reality contains no divine manifestation.
1411459;1456017926;asciilifeform;because there was no other ride.
1411460;1456017993;mircea_popescu;the fact remains that in all attempts of building things atop non-v environments (specifically : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411198 ) result in the same thing.
1411461;1456017993;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:25:16; mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.
1411462;1456018001;mircea_popescu;you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
1411463;1456018016;mircea_popescu;it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.
1411464;1456018020;asciilifeform;actually it is the omnipotence of regression-to-the-mean
1411465;1456018027;mircea_popescu;whatever you call the deity today.
1411466;1456018037;asciilifeform;this one has demonstrable teeth.
1411467;1456018042;asciilifeform;witness nick-2 vs peter-1
1411468;1456018046;mircea_popescu;they all have demonstrable teeth.
1411469;1456018048;asciilifeform;or the hapsburgs, etc.
1411470;1456018082;asciilifeform;lulzy how this is the exact inverse of the lisp machine thread !
1411471;1456018084;asciilifeform;holy shit.
1411472;1456018087;mircea_popescu;:)
1411473;1456018120;mircea_popescu;the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.
1411474;1456018159;asciilifeform;quite.
1411475;1456018208;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-edny-026-027.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3ACY3QB.txt << moar lulz
1411476;1456018210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54h )
1411477;1456018211;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54n )
1411478;1456018462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
1411479;1456018466;mircea_popescu;much like dna works, actually.
1411480;1456018612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back.  'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?
1411481;1456018626;mircea_popescu;trust that it is the right approach.
1411482;1456018631;asciilifeform;whereas he ought to understand that he is squandering a ~finite~ resource.
1411483;1456018635;mircea_popescu;if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.
1411484;1456018643;asciilifeform;we have ddt for this.
1411485;1456018645;mircea_popescu;similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.
1411486;1456018658;mircea_popescu;"who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"
1411487;1456018666;asciilifeform;this is different.
1411488;1456018674;mircea_popescu;if it is you'll have to show it.
1411489;1456018674;asciilifeform;this is making the student peel potatoes 18 hr. a day.
1411490;1456018683;asciilifeform;the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste.
1411491;1456018702;mircea_popescu;but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
1411492;1456018720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.
1411493;1456018733;mircea_popescu;"why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
1411494;1456018753;mircea_popescu;reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.
1411495;1456018763;asciilifeform;one of these things is not like the other.
1411496;1456018764;mircea_popescu;ACTUAL thousand eyes, mandated, by design.
1411497;1456018845;BingoBoingo;Where the good lord split, not even Blockstream has internal consensus on HKGOXMTG https://archive.is/9PdE7
1411498;1456018846;assbot;maaku7 comments on We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRwNP5 )
1411499;1456018923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
1411500;1456018944;mircea_popescu;READ IT
1411501;1456018948;mircea_popescu;he has to READ IT
1411502;1456018953;mircea_popescu;it is not YOUR fucking patch.
1411503;1456018955;asciilifeform;and then write it.
1411504;1456018960;mircea_popescu;the very concept of "my" patch has to go.
1411505;1456018998;mircea_popescu;anf if "doing ANYTHING else" stands for "write more code", best outcome possible.
1411506;1456019025;asciilifeform;i am reminded of the german fella who proclaimed 'the tank will be 200 tonnes and fuck you'
1411507;1456019028;mircea_popescu;but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
1411508;1456019039;asciilifeform;built 'maus', which not one bridge in europe could hold.
1411509;1456019070;mircea_popescu;which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
1411510;1456019081;asciilifeform;well sure. but did not get far.
1411511;1456019093;mircea_popescu;mostly because russian mud.
1411512;1456019104;asciilifeform;did it even make it that far east ?
1411513;1456019125;mircea_popescu;iirc the soviets captured the prototype facility
1411514;1456019192;mircea_popescu;iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol
1411515;1456019204;asciilifeform;anyone recall 'landkreuzer' ?
1411516;1456019211;asciilifeform;would have been, a what, 1500 tonne !
1411517;1456019516;mircea_popescu;was thgat the tank-submarine ?
1411518;1456019527;asciilifeform;the one with the naval cannon
1411519;1456019527;mircea_popescu;the thing with emplaced coastal artillery battery ?
1411520;1456019529;mircea_popescu;aha
1411521;1456019632;asciilifeform;my point was that mircea_popescu is asking 'the tank must be 1,000 tonnes! because fuckyou' but from where comes the engine ?
1411522;1456019643;asciilifeform;the fuel ?
1411523;1456019650;mircea_popescu;are you proposing that "software must progress" ?
1411524;1456019655;asciilifeform;not exactly
1411525;1456019658;mircea_popescu;but ?
1411526;1456019671;asciilifeform;well, take, for instance, 'shiva'
1411527;1456019680;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu want it to be finished, and replace the idiot rpc ?
1411528;1456019682;asciilifeform;or waste of time ?
1411529;1456019683;mircea_popescu;i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
1411530;1456019695;mircea_popescu;i do want it to be finished.
1411531;1456019696;asciilifeform;in bitcoin 'progress' just means something very different.
1411532;1456019705;mircea_popescu;if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
1411533;1456019707;mircea_popescu;and ONLY then.
1411534;1456019712;asciilifeform;it means to cut out the scar tissue and replace with prosthesis.
1411535;1456019713;mircea_popescu;i do not want it finished otherwise, at all.
1411536;1456019758;asciilifeform;i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
1411537;1456019774;mircea_popescu;and in other interludes, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b4fae10722803dac39d2d562407d9a0/tumblr_mkh2jfIHgw1r6qz9zo1_1280.jpg
1411538;1456019775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRxVlF )
1411539;1456019781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't, do you ?
1411540;1456019790;asciilifeform;(or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)
1411541;1456019804;mircea_popescu;how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?
1411542;1456019814;mircea_popescu;if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"
1411543;1456019818;asciilifeform;from inferior people.
1411544;1456019827;BingoBoingo;;;google object 279
1411545;1456019828;gribble;Object 279 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Object 279 - YouTube: ; Object 279 Soviet Havy Tank [HD]-2014 - YouTube: 
1411546;1456019830;asciilifeform;who, yes, had an easier time getting and staying in.
1411547;1456019857;mircea_popescu;your trust in people is misplaced.
1411548;1456019879;mircea_popescu;look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
1411549;1456019881;asciilifeform;machine is not a pill against retardation.
1411550;1456019883;asciilifeform;and yes, i am.
1411551;1456019884;mircea_popescu;people will do what they see around them.
1411552;1456019891;mircea_popescu;i don't actually believe so.
1411553;1456019905;asciilifeform;i burn in this hell because too weak to escape it, and ergo it is the correct place.
1411554;1456019923;asciilifeform;it is made up of all such who are.
1411555;1456019928;asciilifeform;and nobody else.
1411556;1456019941;mircea_popescu;machine is not a pill against retardation. nevertheless, system is a method for limiting expression of retardation.
1411557;1456019965;mircea_popescu;which is why the same proteins make dog and dog vomit.
1411558;1456019968;asciilifeform;overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.
1411559;1456019975;mircea_popescu;there isn't "better" carbon to make man or beast.
1411560;1456019977;asciilifeform;but machine can also be fooled, in the long run, by 'exam takers.'
1411561;1456019978;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Done: f400ba5417274972a8a0da799d916983987156f949955d2bb9c6a4f146be2b31  bitcoind
1411562;1456019979;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411563;1456019991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is why the v is so important. does away with any exam.
1411564;1456020006;asciilifeform;the manual merging thing is quite exam.
1411565;1456020025;mircea_popescu;do tell ?
1411566;1456020065;asciilifeform;it is gruntwork and the ability to do it does not correlate with anything higher.
1411567;1456020071;asciilifeform;peeling potatoes.
1411568;1456020089;mircea_popescu;this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
1411569;1456020096;asciilifeform;likewise, it is very easy to 'cheat' by applying fuzzy-diff.
1411570;1456020101;mircea_popescu;what you get when you take toil out of painting is warhol. he is not an artist
1411571;1456020102;asciilifeform;and then recrunching the hashes.
1411572;1456020104;mircea_popescu;he is an american.
1411573;1456020115;mircea_popescu;what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,
1411574;1456020117;mircea_popescu;he is an american.
1411575;1456020120;asciilifeform;no, it is what you get when you take out the talent, and leave ~only~ the toil.
1411576;1456020126;mircea_popescu;plox - the world has had enough americans. forever.
1411577;1456020136;asciilifeform;the talentless wretch who is very good at sweat, and paints, paints - this is warhol.
1411578;1456020137;mircea_popescu;i dun think you're familiar with the fellow ?
1411579;1456020151;asciilifeform;lightly familiar
1411580;1456020151;mircea_popescu;quite opposite of historical item.
1411581;1456020156;asciilifeform;to the extent my stomach permitted.
1411582;1456020168;mircea_popescu;your stomach misled you, methinks.
1411583;1456020170;asciilifeform;but perhaps i was thinking of pollack
1411584;1456020176;mircea_popescu;a different fellow.
1411585;1456020189;mircea_popescu;no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.
1411586;1456020200;asciilifeform;ick
1411587;1456020231;mircea_popescu;to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.
1411588;1456020243;mircea_popescu;you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
1411589;1456020262;mircea_popescu;the deep secret here being that the potatoes are objectionable FOR BEING POTATOES, whereas their absence is objectionable universally.
1411590;1456020274;mircea_popescu;or, as tlp very well put it, "
1411591;1456020306;mircea_popescu;hmmm where's that article about boring family life, and hating the boring structure but nevertheless benefitting from it
1411592;1456020343;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.
1411593;1456020346;asciilifeform;back in the day.
1411594;1456020350;asciilifeform;*soldiers
1411595;1456020359;asciilifeform;structure!1111
1411596;1456020370;mircea_popescu;But why do we need "the balance?"  What does it replace, what went missing?  The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose.  Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk?  Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather?  Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"?  Because that formal
1411597;1456020370;mircea_popescu;ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives.  When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you.  Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
1411598;1456020371;mircea_popescu;opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner.  It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..."  Without this structure to social activities, w
1411599;1456020376;mircea_popescu;hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you.  And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
1411600;1456020380;mircea_popescu;Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose.  You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster.  It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.
1411601;1456020388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so they did. and women beaten for cutting cabbage wrongly. and on it goes.
1411602;1456020390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005686 = 3.4116 BTC [+]
1411603;1456020405;asciilifeform;the cabbage makes sense though !
1411604;1456020413;asciilifeform;correctly cut cabbage is USEFUL
1411605;1456020420;mircea_popescu;everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
1411606;1456020428;asciilifeform;even then it makes sense.
1411607;1456020444;asciilifeform;if the cane is because forgot to put the firing pin in the kalash on reassembly
1411608;1456020453;mircea_popescu;well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.
1411609;1456020457;asciilifeform;and not because missed a spot of green pain when painting motherfucking grass.
1411610;1456020463;asciilifeform;*paint
1411611;1456020560;*;asciilifeform ~knows~ that the pin does not normally come out! does not need correction on subj
1411612;1456020580;asciilifeform;rhetorical example. imagine we were american grunts. their pin - comes out.
1411613;1456020626;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1411614;1456020817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00056939 = 25.6795 BTC [+]
1411615;1456020899;mircea_popescu;(and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?
1411616;1456020933;mircea_popescu;the one where new people see the same ravines and tend to build the same bridge long dead people saw and built ?
1411617;1456020946;mircea_popescu;there's a depth acquired from "boring" narrowness of subject.
1411618;1456020971;asciilifeform;i don't recall this
1411619;1456020975;asciilifeform;(but would like to!)
1411620;1456020999;asciilifeform;was it the intellectual-curiosity thread..?
1411621;1456021001;mircea_popescu;yeah, you even commented on it at some point
1411622;1456021005;asciilifeform;the one with the planar groups
1411623;1456021023;mircea_popescu;damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/
1411624;1456021027;asciilifeform;l0lz
1411625;1456021052;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in further "ceos agree to consensus" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/78e51e7943aeb41817550b062441658a/tumblr_mw86rci4tK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1411626;1456021054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzk5be )
1411627;1456021081;asciilifeform;interesting!
1411628;1456021111;asciilifeform;only one looks visibly displeased
1411629;1456021122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42470 @ 0.0005686 = 24.1484 BTC [-]
1411630;1456021124;asciilifeform;the one on the left hand side : 'snore, noose'
1411631;1456021135;asciilifeform;the one on right hand: 'is this ALL THE NOOSE you could SPARE!?!!'
1411632;1456021222;mircea_popescu;lol
1411633;1456021240;mircea_popescu;and the one in the middle is all like "Shit, i really got the worst boobjob in the world"
1411634;1456021246;asciilifeform;aha!
1411635;1456021306;mircea_popescu;well i can't fucking find it.
1411636;1456021306;phf;went to have dinner, come back, mother of logs
1411637;1456021333;jurov;the v theory is fine, but in practice i'm afrain it will drive everyone attempting it insane
1411638;1456021340;jurov;like mod6
1411639;1456021365;mircea_popescu;insanity would be an improvement for you people.
1411640;1456021450;jurov;improvement toward what?
1411641;1456021459;mircea_popescu;i rest  my case.
1411642;1456021527;asciilifeform;related >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-11-2015#1319115
1411643;1456021527;assbot;Logged on 07-11-2015 02:32:19; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << interesting sport - fake hanging
1411644;1456021687;mod6;i don't think V is driving me insane.  at least, I hope not.  i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
1411645;1456021694;mod6;shinohai: cool! thanks!
1411646;1456021757;mircea_popescu;i will be off to do things with slutty girls now, bbl.
1411647;1456021771;mod6;enjoy!
1411648;1456021776;shinohai;>.>
1411649;1456021815;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410987 << me too. and i get a weird error when trying to get his key >> http://danielpbarron.com/59C36319.txt
1411650;1456021815;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6:  i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
1411651;1456021816;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNnV8 )
1411652;1456021816;hanbot;mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.
1411653;1456021871;mod6;hanbot: no worries,. thanks!
1411654;1456021892;phf;i split patches into patchsets http://btcbase.org/patches, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental (and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated for historical) to minimize confusion. there's a little menu that lets you select
1411655;1456021893;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfi )
1411656;1456021894;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfo )
1411657;1456021895;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfq )
1411658;1456021914;mod6;danielpbarron: did you put this key 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 in your gpg keyring?
1411659;1456021918;mod6;along with the other 3?
1411660;1456021963;danielpbarron;when i try to get it, it gives the error linked above
1411661;1456021974;asciilifeform;phf: why is shiva 'deprecated' ?
1411662;1456021976;mod6;how are you trying to 'get it' ?
1411663;1456021989;asciilifeform;oh nm
1411664;1456021991;mod6;oh
1411665;1456021997;mod6;didnt see the paste /me looks
1411666;1456022005;asciilifeform;phf: very spiffy
1411667;1456022022;danielpbarron;i get the same error when i do the same thing with the long key id you just showed
1411668;1456022025;phf;asciilifeform: should be better called "disabled", but really makes no difference
1411669;1456022037;phf;also release ought to be stable
1411670;1456022045;danielpbarron;regardless, the script ended with a bitcoind in rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
1411671;1456022052;mod6;danielpbarron: try `gpg --recv-key0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319`
1411672;1456022075;mod6;ok, well it should pull that key.
1411673;1456022082;mod6;that command should ^^^
1411674;1456022086;mod6;goddamn lag
1411675;1456022097;danielpbarron;yeah same error
1411676;1456022106;mod6;i dunno then.
1411677;1456022110;phf;so without the two broken patches experimental almost presses cleanly. something wrong with polar's patches..
1411678;1456022123;mod6;gab the key from the fhe keyserver andimport manually?
1411679;1456022146;*;asciilifeform bbl
1411680;1456022159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00056654 = 8.6397 BTC [-]
1411681;1456022175;mod6;and ALL: do not run this script 2x, ever.  if something goes wrong, just please, start again fresh dir blow everything away except your .wot dir & contents and script.
1411682;1456022178;danielpbarron;well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152
1411683;1456022180;phf;i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing
1411684;1456022196;mod6;blackholed?
1411685;1456022204;mod6;o.O
1411686;1456022228;danielpbarron;can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid
1411687;1456022252;danielpbarron;but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down
1411688;1456022280;mod6;ah. ok
1411689;1456022345;mod6;well,let us know how it goes. thanks for building.
1411690;1456022410;danielpbarron;gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory
1411691;1456022496;mod6;alright, cool
1411692;1456022673;danielpbarron;oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
1411693;1456022725;mod6;o.O
1411694;1456022750;mod6;something is wrong. i dont know what.
1411695;1456023451;shinohai;seems to be running fine here
1411696;1456023942;mod6;ok cool
1411697;1456024468;BingoBoingo;Slowed Dissent https://archive.is/6cuOR
1411698;1456024469;assbot;The Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus Proposal — Too Little, Too Late — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1mPxnVx )
1411699;1456024611;phf;ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work.
1411700;1456024612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )
1411701;1456024670;BingoBoingo; oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct!  You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." << The hard shutdown may have left your blockchain copy corrupted at the end. Gotta get a UPS.
1411702;1456024769;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: This problem happened with quantrill this week. Was unresponsive so I ordered a reboot, after reboot... holy fucksticks the disappoint.
1411703;1456024803;BingoBoingo;powercycling a bitcoin node is something of a gamble
1411704;1456024853;BingoBoingo;I dunno what insanity possessed me to order that reboot, when the same problem is why I got batteries and UPSs for local machines
1411705;1456024966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60630 @ 0.00056719 = 34.3887 BTC [+] {3} 
1411706;1456025209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00057275 = 6.0826 BTC [+]
1411707;1456025758;ben_vulpes;phf: btcbase keeps getting niftier
1411708;1456025773;ben_vulpes;but when i click the dropdown some js takes over and doesn't let me select anything
1411709;1456025781;ben_vulpes;oh interesting
1411710;1456025796;ben_vulpes;does not work when tabbing to the dropdown and hitting the spacebar
1411711;1456025816;phf;bah, that's what i get for sprinkling some jquery on that bitch
1411712;1456025819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00056358 = 22.7686 BTC [-] {2} 
1411713;1456025873;phf;(i killed the js)
1411714;1456025950;ben_vulpes;much better
1411715;1456025969;ben_vulpes;can has submit onSelect ?
1411716;1456025984;ben_vulpes;or would that be horrendously dumb
1411717;1456026040;mod6;also, re: regrind, this is for sure: when doing this task, it forces you to read and understand the patch that needs regrinding. nothing wrong with this as far as I can tell.
1411718;1456026209;phf;ben_vulpes: i'm not quite sure what to attach and where
1411719;1456026224;phf;$('#patchset-select select').on('select', function() { alert('foo') }) doesn't do what i think it should
1411720;1456026266;phf;oh, there's "change"
1411721;1456026295;ben_vulpes;ah yeah change
1411722;1456026313;ben_vulpes;ah jesus fuck javascript
1411723;1456026371;phf;i already have jquery there because i wanted to add jumping from hunk to hunk on patch page by j/k
1411724;1456026376;phf;(it works now by the way)
1411725;1456026389;phf;err, both jumping from hunk to hunk and the on change
1411726;1456026415;ben_vulpes;nifty phf
1411727;1456026433;ben_vulpes;how are you shipping to this thing? hacking directly on the running lisp image?
1411728;1456026476;phf;rsync/asdf/screen
1411729;1456026481;phf;very boring :)
1411730;1456026523;ben_vulpes;i appreciate boring
1411731;1456026628;ben_vulpes;so does that mean no parenscript? :P
1411732;1456026740;phf;alexandria  cffi        flexi-streams  net-telent-date  trivial-features      usocket araneida    cl-irc      gpg-error      rfc2388          trivial-gray-streams  v babel       defservice  gpgme          split-sequence   uiop
1411733;1456026829;ben_vulpes;just snarking phf
1411734;1456026841;gernika;mod6 I'm stuck on the pgp issue ben_vulpes encountered.  http://dpaste.com/2X6BDH8
1411735;1456026842;assbot;dpaste: 2X6BDH8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsLi0y )
1411736;1456026868;phf;:)
1411737;1456026872;gernika;I have manually imported that pubkey, to no avail.
1411738;1456026882;ben_vulpes;gernika does your script go so far as to exit at that point?!
1411739;1456026890;mod6;*sigh*
1411740;1456026891;gernika;ben_vulpes: yes
1411741;1456026894;ben_vulpes;mine sailed through merrily
1411742;1456026907;ben_vulpes;"what verification error?!:
1411743;1456026930;mod6;the thing that bothers me, is this: all that is different about the build script itself is the version of V.
1411744;1456026935;phf;so i tried installing parenscript it pulls in all kinds of retarded. i don't even. anaphora, named-readtables.
1411745;1456026940;mod6;so why didnt we have this trouble a few weeks ago?
1411746;1456026955;ben_vulpes;mod6: are you even certain there was a 'we' running this a few weeks ago?
1411747;1456026974;ben_vulpes;and not just a 'you' and a very sleep deprived and useless me?
1411748;1456026995;mod6;ummm. yes?
1411749;1456027002;mod6;we all went through this with V99996
1411750;1456027007;mod6;back around the 28th.
1411751;1456027022;mod6;gernika: do you have this fine somewhere in your build env? buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign ?
1411752;1456027028;mod6;s/fine/file
1411753;1456027079;gernika;mod6 I have that fine file in rotor :)
1411754;1456027080;ben_vulpes;(girl hands me child, i place child on floor, "you know precisely what i do when you hand him to me, you could just save us the fifteen seconds and put him on the floor yourself")
1411755;1456027225;mod6;gernika: what happens if you're in the rotor dir and you do `gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign` ?
1411756;1456027287;gernika;mod6: the exact same message as in the dpaste.
1411757;1456027317;gernika;ok interesting
1411758;1456027322;mod6;what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
1411759;1456027327;gernika;same for previous version of the file
1411760;1456027385;ben_vulpes;mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246638 << this has been a known issue since august 2015
1411761;1456027385;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 02:24:26; danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
1411762;1456027420;ben_vulpes;waitwait hang on
1411763;1456027424;mod6;ben_vulpes: can you identify why this is an issue?
1411764;1456027512;BingoBoingo;In other news Jeb quit.
1411765;1456027526;mod6;gernika: <+mod6> what does this say `gpg --fingerprint 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` ?
1411766;1456027573;phf;i proposed a solution to that problem. have a set of gpg commands that work with .wot. so something like vgpg verify file, will 1) tmp=mktemp -d gpgxxxx 2) gpg --homedir $tmp --import wot/*.asc 3) gpg --homedir $tmp --verify 4) rm -rf $tmp, so that no foundation operations ever work with ~/.gnupg and always work with ~/.wot
1411767;1456027622;ben_vulpes;mod6: because gpg says the signature isn't actually verified!
1411768;1456027636;ben_vulpes;unless it's lying and it is verifying the signature anyways
1411769;1456027637;mod6;it does for me
1411770;1456027649;gernika;mod6: http://dpaste.com/3XAZ46P
1411771;1456027650;assbot;dpaste: 3XAZ46P ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMa5e )
1411772;1456027675;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1J5910T.txt
1411773;1456027676;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMaCa )
1411774;1456027710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.0005633 = 13.7727 BTC [-]
1411775;1456027717;ben_vulpes;phf: you'll note that's more or less exactly what my v does
1411776;1456027717;mod6;well, im fuckin stumped. this is crazy
1411777;1456027737;BingoBoingo;Nevar forget https://archive.is/dKz2d
1411778;1456027738;assbot;Sad Jeb Bush Is Just Sitting Up At Night, Waiting To Chat About Football With You ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsMroS )
1411779;1456027780;phf;ben_vulpes: that's what all v's do, but we also have this auxiliary operations before the press that require calling gpg --verify
1411780;1456027785;phf;*these
1411781;1456027838;mod6;i disagree, totally, that V should contain any functionallity to validate anything outside of the V tree, contained in the patches dir.
1411782;1456027839;ben_vulpes;yeah the v-wrapping build scripts don't isolate themselves from the user keyring.
1411783;1456027875;ben_vulpes;mod6: nobody's saying that buildroot should be v-verified, but that not isolating buildscripts from the user gpg keyring is...not great.
1411784;1456027907;mod6;ok perhaps
1411785;1456027908;ben_vulpes;if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
1411786;1456027910;phf;mod6: that's not what i'm proposing
1411787;1456027913;mod6;but this problem isn't realted to that.
1411788;1456027934;ben_vulpes;sure, no.
1411789;1456027948;mod6;for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me.  i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
1411790;1456028016;ben_vulpes;gernika: gpg version?
1411791;1456028039;gernika;ben_vulpes: 1.4.19
1411792;1456028116;ben_vulpes;mod6: mine *does* verify the signature, but not in the build-bitcoin-v999o*.sh context
1411793;1456028132;ben_vulpes;v9999**
1411794;1456028136;mod6;well fuck.
1411795;1456028154;mod6;gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
1411796;1456028167;ben_vulpes;oh yeah
1411797;1456028168;mod6;what a goatfucking pile of shit
1411798;1456028202;ben_vulpes;mod6: =app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.19
1411799;1456028216;ben_vulpes;emerge --ask =app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.19
1411800;1456028245;gernika;mod6 - seems the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh script exits for me when attempting to download boost: http://dpaste.com/3GCPPX2
1411801;1456028246;assbot;dpaste: 3GCPPX2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsN95v )
1411802;1456028269;mod6;well, i dunno what to say i guess.
1411803;1456028283;mod6;you don't have to build with the script, just pull all the pieces and build by hand then.
1411804;1456028296;mod6;im off
1411805;1456028305;ben_vulpes;go take a vacation dood
1411806;1456028313;ben_vulpes;it's not like gavin's going to steal a march on you or anything
1411807;1456028339;BingoBoingo;Actually it's hard to tell.
1411808;1456028383;BingoBoingo;That's the problem with hamplanets of the sort Gavin is growing into. It is impossible to predict the things they will steal.
1411809;1456028397;*;ben_vulpes waits for the punchline
1411810;1456028467;BingoBoingo;What punchline, all truefax. If you leave a planet in a room with icing, cornchips, and cookies there is a fair probability the hamplanet will eat the veggie burgers first out of curiosity.
1411811;1456028523;ben_vulpes;heh
1411812;1456028544;ben_vulpes;"so you leave a hamplanet in a room with frosting, cornchips, guacamole, and cookies. which do they eat first?"
1411813;1456028558;BingoBoingo;the eggrolls
1411814;1456028566;BingoBoingo;Even if you didn't know they were there.
1411815;1456028570;ben_vulpes;"trick question: first they magic veggieburgers into existence to pretend like they ate something wholesome before desert."
1411816;1456028571;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> go take a vacation dood << this is not a solution.
1411817;1456028576;gernika;Some local color, since I'm voiced:  I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia.  I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
1411818;1456028591;BingoBoingo;lol
1411819;1456028593;mod6;what i need, is help. every day. until this is resolved.
1411820;1456028594;ben_vulpes;gernika: megalol
1411821;1456028650;mod6;if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit.  if testing is need, lets do it.  all those things.  telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
1411822;1456028683;ben_vulpes;i thought the vacation was already scheduled, hence the manic deadline pressure
1411823;1456028696;mod6;brah.
1411824;1456028747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005704 = 12.4918 BTC [+] {2} 
1411825;1456028766;ben_vulpes;...
1411826;1456028767;ben_vulpes;yes?
1411827;1456028912;phf;mod6: that signature is busted, just vidy output of curl -s http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
1411828;1456028913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKXnn )
1411829;1456028958;mod6;vidy?
1411830;1456028961;phf;see
1411831;1456029056;phf;well, not busted, but not actually a signature for the tar.gz file
1411832;1456029060;mod6;ok
1411833;1456029064;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0A6CT6W.txt
1411834;1456029065;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsO1ag )
1411835;1456029087;phf;mod6: ~look~ at the inside of the signature
1411836;1456029103;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411795 << thats what package mask is for!!
1411837;1456029103;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:15:54; mod6: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26 << both of my goddamn gentoo's have this installed.
1411838;1456029122;phf;it's not a detached signature. it's a standalone signed message that makes claims about shasums
1411839;1456029124;mod6;dare i even ask what a package mask is?
1411840;1456029136;mod6;phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
1411841;1456029157;asciilifeform;basic gentooism, it's a list of nevers
1411842;1456029174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 8513 @ 0.00023316 = 1.9849 BTC [-]
1411843;1456029187;asciilifeform;things that won't be pulled in no matter what.
1411844;1456029256;asciilifeform;re: thread: ftr i still use my original rotor builder.
1411845;1456029271;asciilifeform;and intend to continue.
1411846;1456029293;asciilifeform;it - works...
1411847;1456029456;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time.
1411848;1456029456;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
1411849;1456029551;asciilifeform;my build script is two dozen lines, and bugless.
1411850;1456029599;asciilifeform;i have nfi why it needed 'progress'...
1411851;1456029757;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411817 << l0l!
1411852;1456029757;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced:  I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia.  I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
1411853;1456029801;*;asciilifeform never has, and never will, go near anything 'bitcoin-themed' meatspace in heathendom.
1411854;1456029819;gernika;asciilifeform: you might be interested to know that the scheme involved some sort of Coke Machine with a water filtration system.
1411855;1456029845;*;BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
1411856;1456029865;asciilifeform;cough up keyz or die of thirst?
1411857;1456029869;asciilifeform;worx
1411858;1456029876;gernika;l0l the ethiopian coke machine
1411859;1456029943;asciilifeform;also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
1411860;1456029955;asciilifeform;and little else
1411861;1456029977;asciilifeform;(vs banked naturally)
1411862;1456030049;BingoBoingo;lol
1411863;1456031065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.0005633 = 2.5067 BTC [-]
1411864;1456031615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26707 @ 0.00056327 = 15.0433 BTC [-] {2} 
1411865;1456033214;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411789 << pretty sure it verified for me also.
1411866;1456033214;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:12:28; mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me.  i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
1411867;1456033288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411821 << no looky, it's not meant in that sense at all. just letting you know that we love you!
1411868;1456033288;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:24:10; mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit.  if testing is need, lets do it.  all those things.  telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
1411869;1456033432;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411859 << nope exactly what i think also. and i'm closer to the financial field than fucking hardware.
1411870;1456033432;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 04:45:43; asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
1411871;1456033459;mircea_popescu;us-style retail banking is an abominable pile of nonsense the likes of which nightmares are made of.
1411872;1456033484;mircea_popescu;but in other news, chores! http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8h21v0J8e1rcdktuo1_1280.jpg
1411873;1456033486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20MQMnm )
1411874;1456033549;danielpbarron;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra-mint.asc.txt
1411875;1456033550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20MQVXZ )
1411876;1456033550;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411877;1456034482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10798 @ 0.00056646 = 6.1166 BTC [+]
1411878;1456034489;punkman;asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud. << my vtron digests conflicting patches
1411879;1456034528;punkman;asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
1411880;1456034564;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/698748328511696896/tHcNra2H_400x400.png << that's a pretty cool album cover lol.
1411881;1456034565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20MSjd3 )
1411882;1456034688;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: ty, great find
1411883;1456034707;phf;my v can beat up your v
1411884;1456034736;deedbot-;[Qntra] Linux Mint Server Compromised, Spread Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/02/linux-mint-server-compromised-spread-malware/
1411885;1456034878;mircea_popescu;nuts
1411886;1456035251;BingoBoingo;nuts, gotta protect them if you've got em'
1411887;1456035397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53552 @ 0.00056431 = 30.2199 BTC [-] {2} 
1411888;1456035458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23716 @ 0.0005623 = 13.3355 BTC [-]
1411889;1456035641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00056151 = 16.733 BTC [-]
1411890;1456036739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00056206 = 9.4145 BTC [+]
1411891;1456037532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00056151 = 33.6906 BTC [-]
1411892;1456038290;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b22
1411893;1456038290;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ted Cruz will be the Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1246/ted-cruz-will-be-the-republicans-2016-presidential/#b14
1411894;1456038630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27860 @ 0.00056078 = 15.6233 BTC [-] {4} 
1411895;1456039667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15202 @ 0.00055919 = 8.5008 BTC [-]
1411896;1456039789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57598 @ 0.00055865 = 32.1771 BTC [-] {2} 
1411897;1456040706;punkman;https://www.drupal.org/project/misery
1411898;1456040707;assbot;Misery | Drupal.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1mPPUki )
1411899;1456041741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54088 @ 0.00055861 = 30.2141 BTC [-]
1411900;1456043388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0005599 = 12.1498 BTC [+] {2} 
1411901;1456043571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.0005586 = 21.7575 BTC [-]
1411902;1456043998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00055813 = 31.5902 BTC [-] {3} 
1411903;1456044923;ben_vulpes;yo where da trinque at
1411904;1456044939;ben_vulpes;;;later tell trinque yo hey yo hey
1411905;1456044939;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411906;1456045127;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.03600000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b72
1411907;1456045502;mats;heatin up
1411908;1456046133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0005601 = 11.314 BTC [+]
1411909;1456046185;ben_vulpes;no mention of handicap
1411910;1456046193;ben_vulpes;that bet is going to surprise some people
1411911;1456046232;ben_vulpes;alphago can "win" with handicap of 12 stones and that bet goes green
1411912;1456046265;ben_vulpes;unless mp^H^Hmods decide 'overall' has some magical meaning
1411913;1456047099;adlai;so "some people" made an ass out of them and himself
1411914;1456047719;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/34BA0H6.txt
1411915;1456047720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WAf171 )
1411916;1456047720;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411917;1456048317;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo /me accidentally a word http://dpaste.com/3WX0P03.txt
1411918;1456048318;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WAfS7R )
1411919;1456048318;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1411920;1456048695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00055935 = 9.1174 BTC [-] {2} 
1411921;1456049122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00056242 = 37.7946 BTC [+] {2} 
1411922;1456049787;mats;i don't see why there would be a handicap now
1411923;1456049854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97621 @ 0.00056802 = 55.4507 BTC [+] {3} 
1411924;1456052050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00056679 = 30.2666 BTC [-]
1411925;1456052599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38673 @ 0.00056929 = 22.0162 BTC [+] {2} 
1411926;1456055344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76073 @ 0.00056944 = 43.319 BTC [+] {3} 
1411927;1456057113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00057002 = 21.7178 BTC [+]
1411928;1456057479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60219 @ 0.00056935 = 34.2857 BTC [-] {3} 
1411929;1456057723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14997 @ 0.00056506 = 8.4742 BTC [-]
1411930;1456058577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00055919 = 3.5995 BTC [-]
1411931;1456059004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68902 @ 0.0005579 = 38.4404 BTC [-] {2} 
1411932;1456059248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43120 @ 0.00055889 = 24.0993 BTC [+]
1411933;1456059553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00055768 = 3.123 BTC [-]
1411934;1456059819;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> that bet is going to surprise some people << "overall" covers it imo
1411935;1456059830;mircea_popescu;what's so magical about it ?
1411936;1456059917;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f6b4810f7b7499277a3b9424f2aeac37/tumblr_mveinsoBEr1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1411937;1456059919;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qs0Ooc )
1411938;1456060163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00055768 = 6.6364 BTC [-]
1411939;1456061871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00055861 = 8.2674 BTC [+]
1411940;1456063579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7953 @ 0.00056231 = 4.4721 BTC [+]
1411941;1456063640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00056859 = 10.263 BTC [+]
1411942;1456064067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20719 @ 0.00056916 = 11.7924 BTC [+]
1411943;1456065531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.00056267 = 18.4837 BTC [-] {2} 
1411944;1456065775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117647 @ 0.00055821 = 65.6717 BTC [-] {2} 
1411945;1456065836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51450 @ 0.00055739 = 28.6777 BTC [-] {2} 
1411946;1456065958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3610 @ 0.00055708 = 2.0111 BTC [-]
1411947;1456069130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055661 = 16.1695 BTC [-]
1411948;1456069186;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
1411949;1456069186;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 06:02:08; punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
1411950;1456069230;asciilifeform;it is why i settled on straight gnudiff instead of trying 'clever' things
1411951;1456069334;mircea_popescu;turing complete diff ?!
1411952;1456069347;mircea_popescu;what's the diff if loop ?
1411953;1456069382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a continuation of a thread almost as old as 'v' - consider the tinyscheme-genesis patch, shiva, and the 'pedigree bridge'
1411954;1456069410;asciilifeform;we have this atrocity because gnudiff is incapable of renaming a directory without MORONICALLY --- -ing EVERY FUCKING LINE of every file and +++ -ing it in again
1411955;1456069415;asciilifeform;likewise file deletions
1411956;1456069425;mircea_popescu;no argument there.,
1411957;1456069467;asciilifeform;and more generally, unix 'patch' output was not really designed for human eyes
1411958;1456069476;asciilifeform;nor was the thing in any sense designed at all, really.
1411959;1456069481;asciilifeform;just grew, like fungus.
1411960;1456069489;asciilifeform;like most open sores crud.
1411961;1456069553;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if this was not clear, there is not presently any such thing as turing-complete diff/patch
1411962;1456069570;asciilifeform;but it is one of the things that must come to exist, for sanity.
1411963;1456069604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> nor was the thing in any sense designed at all, really. << quite very much this.
1411964;1456069627;mircea_popescu;i just don't see the gap between "cleanly covers corner cases" and "is turing complete" bridged.
1411965;1456069647;asciilifeform;because 'cover corner cases' through 'enumerated' is braindamage.
1411966;1456069666;mircea_popescu;you can't put a kernel in every single thing including the diff utility!
1411967;1456069694;asciilifeform;no kernel, just a little scheme interpreter.
1411968;1456069704;mircea_popescu;ah that's what you had in mind.
1411969;1456069710;asciilifeform;could've guessed, aha ?
1411970;1456069729;mircea_popescu;listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
1411971;1456069742;mircea_popescu;i for instance judged that since you DON'T say the obvious, you specifically do not mean the obvious.
1411972;1456069755;mircea_popescu;why'd i guess like when talking to 16yos on saturday night ?
1411973;1456069758;asciilifeform;well it technically doesn't have to be scheme. draft ver of 'p' for instance is more forth-like.
1411974;1456069773;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can see it.
1411975;1456069812;asciilifeform;'v' as we have it now, or at least as it appeared in my initial publication, was a very hasty and premature, wartime wunderwaffen thing
1411976;1456069818;asciilifeform;it was really only half-gestated.
1411977;1456069864;asciilifeform;the adult version as i envision it is much more like what is described above.
1411978;1456070167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188096 @ 0.00056155 = 105.6253 BTC [+] {3} 
1411979;1456070265;mircea_popescu;"The simplest way to generate a patch is to use diff -Naur (see Tips for Patch Producers), but you might be able to reduce the size of the patch by renaming or removing some files before making the patch. If the older version of the package contains any files that the newer version does not, or if any files have been renamed between the two versions, make a list of rm and mv commands for the user to execute in th
1411980;1456070266;mircea_popescu;e old version directory before applying the patch. Then run those commands yourself in the scratch directory."
1411981;1456070270;mircea_popescu;speak of "not designed at all".
1411982;1456070286;asciilifeform;aha recall this from early trb days ?
1411983;1456070289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00057 = 28.215 BTC [+]
1411984;1456070292;asciilifeform;specifically 'chicken'
1411985;1456070295;asciilifeform;what a fuckingmisery
1411986;1456070318;asciilifeform;(chicken was what i nowadays call a 'pedigree bridge')
1411987;1456070342;mircea_popescu;aha.
1411988;1456070360;mircea_popescu;in truth the situation here is that we don't even know much of the stuff we need until we need it,
1411989;1456070373;asciilifeform;which is why turingcompletefinalsolution.
1411990;1456070383;mircea_popescu;nor do we know the banal names of banal things until after we've made them, because unlike posterity, we don't have the advantage OF FUCKING SANE ANTECESSORS.
1411991;1456070392;mircea_popescu;we're born of snails and other oratanii
1411992;1456070403;asciilifeform;nobody said terraforming planets would be easy...
1411993;1456070414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform complete solutions are rarely best solutions tho. too heavy.
1411994;1456070423;mircea_popescu;complete tank solution includes oil well.
1411995;1456070446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a misconception, in this case. weigh my tinyscheme vs gnudiff!
1411996;1456070454;asciilifeform;any metric you like - lines, complexity, hours to read
1411997;1456070484;asciilifeform;complete solution made from ~orthogonal pieces~ is the magic sword which weighs as a feather.
1411998;1456070487;*;mircea_popescu is not arguing against tinischeme
1411999;1456070522;asciilifeform;it is also how you get 'no motherfucking updates ever, weld into concrete' while still getting exactly what is needed at every juncture.
1412000;1456070528;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/1ZafV6N.jpg
1412001;1456070529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SKdCwE )
1412002;1456070574;*;asciilifeform wonders about the hypertrophied labia 90%+ of porn chix seem to have
1412003;1456070654;mircea_popescu;that's hyper ?
1412004;1456070687;asciilifeform;i suppose if mircea_popescu tells me that it is standard, i will believe.
1412005;1456070696;mircea_popescu;you can't even see it ?
1412006;1456070700;mircea_popescu;you mean the outer labia ?
1412007;1456070703;asciilifeform;aha
1412008;1456070707;asciilifeform;labia majora
1412009;1456070714;mircea_popescu;that's mostly just fat/position tho.
1412010;1456070723;asciilifeform;hm.
1412011;1456070852;mircea_popescu;there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
1412012;1456071509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40436 @ 0.00056906 = 23.0105 BTC [-]
1412013;1456071701;polarbeard;so I've been playing a bit with shiva, I'm developing a simple hook mechanism, here's a preview https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/f5c5b02a2ce7c1a69c77
1412014;1456071702;assbot;shiva_hooks.patch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/20NQyMF )
1412015;1456071723;polarbeard;thoughts?
1412016;1456071777;asciilifeform;polarbeard: why all the crud ?
1412017;1456071790;asciilifeform;why reverse_in_place, mk_list, marshall, etc. in cpp ?
1412018;1456071791;polarbeard;re: my patches, I'm trying to keep an up to date version of them on my github trb repo, wouldn't mind submitting to the ml if somebody asks
1412019;1456071806;polarbeard;utility functions?
1412020;1456071815;asciilifeform;these should be in scheme.
1412021;1456071823;asciilifeform;everything that can be in scheme, MUST BE.
1412022;1456071829;polarbeard;marshall should be in scheme?
1412023;1456071848;asciilifeform;explain to me why it is even necessary.
1412024;1456071863;polarbeard;CNode marshalling
1412025;1456071877;asciilifeform;WHY
1412026;1456071913;polarbeard;because I'm marshalling per value type, not per hook type
1412027;1456071927;asciilifeform;shiva.cpp as i originally wrote it, includes all of the trb headers. you can form scheme data structures handily without engaging in weird cppisms, just by iterating over, e.g., the node list, and forming scheme list while you do it.
1412028;1456071958;polarbeard;that's what I do
1412029;1456071960;asciilifeform;and what is this ? >> https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/f5c5b02a2ce7c1a69c77#file-shiva_hooks-patch-L142
1412030;1456071962;assbot;shiva_hooks.patch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/20NR2ma )
1412031;1456071970;polarbeard;I'm just encapsulating the functionality
1412032;1456071991;asciilifeform;this is not an explanation.
1412033;1456071994;polarbeard;that was a bug fix
1412034;1456071995;asciilifeform;do you know what an explanation is ?
1412035;1456071997;asciilifeform;WHAT BUG
1412036;1456072017;asciilifeform;if you found an ACTUAL bug, that should be OWN PATCH.
1412037;1456072044;polarbeard;this is not a vpatch, don't you see that?
1412038;1456072051;asciilifeform;i do
1412039;1456072067;asciilifeform;but it is also not an anything else.
1412040;1456072079;asciilifeform;it is an example of everything i stand against.
1412041;1456072096;polarbeard;so, what you're going to do with ts then?
1412042;1456072105;asciilifeform;i did give example.
1412043;1456072115;asciilifeform;for one thing, i won't be implementing list reversal in cpp !
1412044;1456072126;asciilifeform;for another, bug fixes are their own patches, one per bug, that must contain nothing else.
1412045;1456072141;polarbeard;I won't be adding unnecessary code to init.scm
1412046;1456072159;asciilifeform;on the contrary, that is the ideal place for all new code pertaining to shiva.
1412047;1456072168;asciilifeform;anything that is not going there, must answer why.
1412048;1456072170;polarbeard;I'll split the bug fixes into their own vpatches when the time comes
1412049;1456072176;asciilifeform;please do.
1412050;1456072181;asciilifeform;these i will happily read, and sign.
1412051;1456072191;polarbeard;atm I just wanted to dump what I'm working for, to get constructive feedback
1412052;1456072195;asciilifeform;but doings in cpp what can be done inside tinyscheme, i will not.
1412053;1456072204;asciilifeform;and i hope this is good feedback.
1412054;1456072264;asciilifeform;see, the big thing here,
1412055;1456072280;asciilifeform;is that by 'marshalling' the pointers, you are introducing trb's leakages into tinyscheme.
1412056;1456072291;asciilifeform;(not to mention, bloating the code, but this is secondary)
1412057;1456072299;asciilifeform;the point of shiva is PRECISELY the opposite
1412058;1456072313;asciilifeform;1) to have the cpp content of trb asymptotically go to ZERO with time
1412059;1456072320;asciilifeform;2) to THERMONUKE the idiot leaks.
1412060;1456072328;polarbeard;never, I'm not translating trb to scheme
1412061;1456072334;polarbeard;that's pointless and a waste of time
1412062;1456072371;asciilifeform;nobody asked you to. but try also refrain from translating shiva to cpp, and spreading the leak metastases into it ?
1412063;1456072373;polarbeard;so you embedded scheme for that reason?
1412064;1456072392;asciilifeform;for the time being, with the more modest goal of abolishing the rpc module.
1412065;1456072429;asciilifeform;but yes, in the long run it is intended as a prosthesis to take over where the brain damage of the original is incurable.
1412066;1456072464;asciilifeform;(for n00bs or readers who have not been keeping up, 'shiva' is a highly experimental affair and not to be considered part of mainline trb!)
1412067;1456072503;asciilifeform;and also in case polarbeard missed last night's thread,
1412068;1456072516;asciilifeform;the magic of 'v' is that polarbeard does NOT have to agree with me!111
1412069;1456072537;asciilifeform;he is free, and encouraged to, produce his own schismatic shiva, and sign it, and who knows, folks may come to prefer it to mine.
1412070;1456072538;polarbeard;I agree with you on that
1412071;1456072589;polarbeard;yes, I'm not surprised that you have a different point of view, and I'm even pleased I think
1412072;1456072635;asciilifeform;from my naked eye reading, your thing will run until the first gc cycle.
1412073;1456072647;asciilifeform;but i can't promise this, and can't be bothered to test, for reasons already described.
1412074;1456072661;polarbeard;it actually stores the callbacks
1412075;1456072668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10937 @ 0.000569 = 6.2232 BTC [-]
1412076;1456072751;polarbeard;it works well, but still simple hooks because only a single callback may be registered per hook, not sure yet if there will be need for callback management
1412077;1456073175;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411948 << have you looked into 'ed' diffs? but yes, they can't rename directory either.
1412078;1456073175;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 15:39:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
1412079;1456073327;asciilifeform;jurov: i've looked into everything.
1412080;1456073329;phf;dat patch, can take them to water, can't make them drink
1412081;1456073348;asciilifeform;and i'm not very interested in 'can do all but X' widgets.
1412082;1456073358;asciilifeform;i demand X, even values of X i don't yet know about.
1412083;1456073367;asciilifeform;hence turingcompletevtron.
1412084;1456073391;asciilifeform;and srsly, 'ed' ?! not meant for human reading any more than 'patch'.
1412085;1456073404;asciilifeform;it is almost exemplary of the opposite of what we need here.
1412086;1456073463;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/merrymen/
1412087;1456073464;assbot;Merry Men ... ( http://bit.ly/20NTIjC )
1412088;1456073588;jurov;asciilifeform: either it's 'can do all but X' or turing complete and thus with potentially unbounded runtime
1412089;1456073609;asciilifeform;jurov: the magic trick is that there is no such thing as unbounded runtime on my box.
1412090;1456073619;asciilifeform;there is exceed-bound-and-i-negrate
1412091;1456073648;asciilifeform;we have finessed the halting problem !1111
1412092;1456073697;jurov;also, you imply basically to expose all filesystem primitives to scheme, are they comprehensively and soundly defined?
1412093;1456073725;jurov;i smell you'll eventually end with different presses in diff machines due to different filesystem semantics
1412094;1456073750;jurov;who're you negrating now?
1412095;1456073778;asciilifeform;any future folks who might think they are being clever with, e.g., nonterminating vtron program.
1412096;1456073798;asciilifeform;jurov: what do you have with different filesystem semantics ? vax ?
1412097;1456073806;asciilifeform;msdos ?
1412098;1456073818;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412011 <-heh-> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412086
1412099;1456073818;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 16:07:32; mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
1412100;1456073818;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 16:51:03; oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/merrymen/
1412101;1456073839;jurov;while you slept, "modern" filesystem implementors deemed to fit to reorder operations to improve performance
1412102;1456073853;asciilifeform;glorious!
1412103;1456073858;asciilifeform;show me example ?
1412104;1456073875;asciilifeform;'i deleted this first before reading, faster!1111'
1412105;1456073882;asciilifeform;srsly, we are there already ??
1412106;1456073918;phf;i recall riastradh making an srfi proposal for a minimum subset of filesystem operations. could just implement it for tinyscheme
1412107;1456073928;phf;http://mumble.net/~campbell/proposals/filesys.text
1412108;1456073929;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SZUPh4 )
1412109;1456073984;asciilifeform;phf: this was on my list of things to include, but i wanted to 'take it slow.'
1412110;1456073997;asciilifeform;i did not include the tcp module for ts either
1412111;1456073999;asciilifeform;though i have it
1412112;1456074007;jurov;https://github.com/google/leveldb/issues/195
1412113;1456074008;assbot;Possible bug: fsync() required after calling rename() · Issue #195 · google/leveldb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SZUZ8a )
1412114;1456074010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00055661 = 9.1562 BTC [-]
1412115;1456074053;asciilifeform;gotta love these 'optimizations'
1412116;1456074056;asciilifeform;see also the gcc5 threads
1412117;1456074059;jurov;lol looky now i'm the one to predict crapocalypse
1412118;1456074078;asciilifeform;anyway this particular crapocalypse is avoidable, at least on our planet. BAN any heathen fs.
1412119;1456074125;asciilifeform;instruct new users that they must operate on a sane fs.
1412120;1456074151;phf;ext2
1412121;1456074158;asciilifeform;and much as i loathe the idea, we will probably have to nail down our own linux distro.
1412122;1456074182;jurov;which fs is sane? which mount options?
1412123;1456074197;asciilifeform;jurov: i've been using reiserfs for ~decade.
1412124;1456074199;asciilifeform;with 0 issues.
1412125;1456074270;asciilifeform;the fact that reiser was jailed cemented it as permanently high-quality, no one wants to touch it, no 'progressors' progressate at it, no gnomes, no popularizers!111, etc.
1412126;1456074296;asciilifeform;appears that it was bug-free as it was.
1412127;1456074564;asciilifeform;sooo
1412128;1456074604;asciilifeform;gotta do a few things to the mains wiring, i (and zoolag) will be down for 30 min. to an hour.
1412129;1456074611;asciilifeform;starting now.
1412130;1456075291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00055655 = 3.5619 BTC [-] {2} 
1412131;1456078052;phf;added patch highlight to btcbase (got tired of trying to visually locate patches in the graph)
1412132;1456078062;phf;for example http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable&search=showmyip
1412133;1456078065;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow0Y7q )
1412134;1456078098;phf;or my favorite http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable&search=asciilifeform
1412135;1456078099;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow16nt )
1412136;1456078154;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b74
1412137;1456078596;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1412138;1456078602;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 432.66, vol: 13065.58845587 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.623, vol: 11650.44569 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 436.5, vol: 54646.13980057 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.60533968 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.360947, vol: 67064.74420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 432.1104, vol: 898.75107699 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.870649, vol: 71.32973054 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1412139;1456078607;BingoBoingo;;;more
1412140;1456078607;gribble;average: 438.487963423
1412141;1456078797;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1412142;1456078801;gribble;Current Blocks: 399479 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 1704 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1412143;1456079256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00055747 = 25.1698 BTC [+]
1412144;1456079988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97155 @ 0.00056091 = 54.4952 BTC [+] {2} 
1412145;1456080036;mod6;so with that build script, i'm thinking just take out the curl & --verify of that stupid .sign file.
1412146;1456080237;mod6;still will check the hash of the buildroot artifact.
1412147;1456080256;mod6;gonna try that out locally here.
1412148;1456080288;mod6;i guess, the other good news to that is you wont need to import that rando's guy's key into your keyring.  still would need mine, alf & trinque's tho.
1412149;1456080689;danielpbarron;oh mod6, with a fresh .bitcoin/ directory, your new thing seems to work fine
1412150;1456080966;*;kakobrekla is back
1412151;1456080996;kakobrekla;logs tell me no one missed me, great :)
1412152;1456081100;pete_dushenski;don't believe everything you don't read
1412153;1456081106;ben_vulpes;bitbet is broken kakobrekla
1412154;1456081137;ben_vulpes;also assbot
1412155;1456081138;ben_vulpes;and irc
1412156;1456081139;jurov;and assbot's stuff is swollen
1412157;1456081161;ben_vulpes;you keep irc working right?
1412158;1456081213;kakobrekla;looks like i returned prematurely
1412159;1456081246;ben_vulpes;wait come back
1412160;1456081254;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu's javascript also doesn't work in every browser
1412161;1456081357;ben_vulpes;mod6: perhaps hard code the hashes from korsgaard's signature and verify those?
1412162;1456081386;phf;ben_vulpes: they are like md5 and sha1
1412163;1456081425;mod6;^
1412164;1456081460;*;kakobrekla had a blast snowboarding the prime slopes of Dolomites region of Alps
1412165;1456081463;mod6;i think this was actually discussed quite some time ago. i dont remember what the sentiment was exactly. but i think it was like "meh"
1412166;1456081491;mod6;danielpbarron: ok thanks for the update
1412167;1456081567;mod6;anyway, i guess i don't mind, i can add a part where we check the SHA1 & MD5 of the buildroot artifact and then continue to verify that .sign file.
1412168;1456081574;phf;kakobrekla: i went camping in the Appalachian last weekend, -20c w/ winds, but it was awesome. i did just enough trash talking about russian blood to come down with a flu by thursday...
1412169;1456081589;kakobrekla;l0lz
1412170;1456081606;kakobrekla;meanwhile i was the only person in sauna yesterday evening
1412171;1456081694;phf;as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome
1412172;1456081736;ben_vulpes;mod6: while there's no harm in checking the .sign, i don't know what it buys us
1412173;1456081744;ben_vulpes;also that signature is disturbingly short
1412174;1456081745;kakobrekla;really no saunas? whats the deal with that?
1412175;1456081787;mod6;ben_vulpes: yeah, i dunno what the deal is with it, seems to not work exactly as expected.
1412176;1456081818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00056778 = 5.763 BTC [+] {2} 
1412177;1456081869;phf;i hnfi. these people do "spas", but the sauna part is typically a joke
1412178;1456081961;mod6;im gonna look again at what happens with 1.4.19 & that sign file.
1412179;1456081976;phf;there's literally 4 places in the entire virgnia-connecticut stretch. maybe there's something up in Massachusetts. there's "east european" places ran by russians but with a lot of turks, etc. and then there's korean baths. but koreans frown on cold plunges, so they would usually have a tepid shower/pool
1412180;1456082038;kakobrekla;im fine with shower only as long as you can set the temp to whatever you want
1412181;1456082049;mod6;ok, so right, with 1.4.19 it has that WARNING at the end: http://dpaste.com/1BZA8NQ.txt
1412182;1456082050;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgmUQg )
1412183;1456082095;phf;yeah, korean places are not bad, but i know only of one that caters specifically to koreans (i.e. good heat), a lot of them are western oriented so massage and facials and such
1412184;1456082167;phf;this place is great http://www.russianturkishbaths.com if you're ever in nyc
1412185;1456082168;assbot;010813rtbh ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ugn6PB )
1412186;1456082224;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b104
1412187;1456082263;ben_vulpes;ha wow did the shitgnomes snip that mod6 ?
1412188;1456082306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0005694 = 36.9541 BTC [+] {2} 
1412189;1456082370;mod6;hrm?
1412190;1456082386;mod6;ah, no idea.
1412191;1456082397;mod6;so ... https://buildroot.org/downloads/
1412192;1456082399;assbot;Index of /downloads ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow8JKK )
1412193;1456082425;mod6;in here there seem to be .sign files for the .tar.gz's, but they seem to have .gpg's for the tar.bz2's
1412194;1456082431;mod6;im gonna take a look at that instead.
1412195;1456082463;mod6;ooh... not for our version :(
1412196;1456082498;mod6;guess that only started with the version /after/ our version 2015.05
1412197;1456082508;mod6;lol ofc
1412198;1456082543;mod6;oh nm, looks like those are only there for an RC version?
1412199;1456082550;mod6;ok. ya
1412200;1456082566;ben_vulpes;apparently
1412201;1456082625;mod6;heh, these guys built this huge thing, but their sign files only have SHA1 & MD5, even the most recent 2016.02
1412202;1456082638;mod6;wth
1412203;1456082649;mod6;why even bother?
1412204;1456082713;mod6;im starting to think that our SHA512 sum of this artifact is better than whatever they've got.
1412205;1456083058;*;asciilifeform ears stand up!
1412206;1456083132;phf;illustration: ^- http://www.somepets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/manul4.jpg
1412207;1456083134;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgoEZZ )
1412208;1456083189;ben_vulpes;mod6: yeah.
1412209;1456083221;*;ben_vulpes imagines stan's face shooped onto the manul
1412210;1456083234;asciilifeform;exactly this, aha.
1412211;1456083315;asciilifeform;mod6: tell me which tarballs, i will dig out my originals and sum
1412212;1456083392;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, from the depths, http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/02/21/xapo-announces-plans-to-upgrade-to-bitcoin-classic
1412213;1456083393;assbot;Xapo Announces Plans to Upgrade to Bitcoin Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1ow9SSp )
1412214;1456083680;mod6;asciilifeform:this is the one that we're pulling
1412215;1456083690;mod6;http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
1412216;1456083709;mod6;we expect this sha512:
1412217;1456083710;mod6;c42fdd39cb2bc46804a86a7d7b2605bd3cd9ddcb365c4e5a1fb147eb02b234fc31a70c8140be2f4d27cd371c84e0c6701f8cb47697dd1c18dd0e0cce784aa07a
1412218;1456083731;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/Joseph_Young_ << literally philippino
1412219;1456083733;assbot;Joseph (@Joseph_Young_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1owaasp )
1412220;1456083822;asciilifeform;c42fdd39cb2bc46804a86a7d7b2605bd3cd9ddcb365c4e5a1fb147eb02b234fc31a70c8140be2f4d27cd371c84e0c6701f8cb47697dd1c18dd0e0cce784aa07a
1412221;1456083856;asciilifeform;downloaded may 31 2015.
1412222;1456083883;asciilifeform;i have, i think, also earlier buildroots
1412223;1456083885;asciilifeform;if anyone wants.
1412224;1456083889;asciilifeform;and their tars.
1412225;1456083896;asciilifeform;and their cached crapolade.
1412226;1456083935;mod6;ok great
1412227;1456083944;mod6;yeah, here's what i've got in total: http://dpaste.com/35XDBSS.txt
1412228;1456083946;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1owaqYA )
1412229;1456083960;mod6;the md5 & sha1 match the sign file
1412230;1456084005;ben_vulpes;c42fdd39cb2bc46804a86a7d7b2605bd3cd9ddcb365c4e5a1fb147eb02b234fc31a70c8140be2f4d27cd371c84e0c6701f8cb47697dd1c18dd0e0cce784aa07a
1412231;1456084124;mod6;what we really aught to do is write to that guy, get him to join the wot with a 4096 bit RSA key, and have him resign all of the bundles.
1412232;1456084184;mod6;or at least, just the one we're using.
1412233;1456084191;ben_vulpes;"the army we have"
1412234;1456084230;mod6;want me to do it?
1412235;1456084235;mod6;i can do that.
1412236;1456084258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00056304 = 23.3943 BTC [-] {2} 
1412237;1456084266;danielpbarron;which guy?
1412238;1456084298;mod6;"Peter Korsgaard "
1412239;1456084332;ben_vulpes;it's just another thing in the way of wrapping this up, mod6 .
1412240;1456084351;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform produced legacy hashes, they match the ones i have on disk and the ones you have right?
1412241;1456084390;mod6;sure sure.
1412242;1456084413;mod6;just thinking that hey, cant hurt anything to enlighten the guy that these hashes that he's signing, even up to this current month are obsolete.
1412243;1456084429;asciilifeform;obsolete?!
1412244;1456084432;asciilifeform;what even is this
1412245;1456084449;mod6;SHA1 & MD5 are broken are they not?
1412246;1456084455;asciilifeform;ah this yes
1412247;1456084470;asciilifeform;do we have a confirmed collision here ?!
1412248;1456084486;asciilifeform;i.e. different sha512 but same sha1/md5 ?
1412249;1456084501;mod6;anyway, an open line of comms to these folks could help us -- especially going forward as we basically might need to "roll our own" so that it doesn't pull the deps via rsync.
1412250;1456084514;mod6;asciilifeform: not as far as i've seen.
1412251;1456084574;ben_vulpes;my sha1 and md5 match those in k's .sign
1412252;1456084768;mod6;so as far as the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh is concerned.  let's just check that hash and call it a day then.
1412253;1456084836;mod6;i've updated the script here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1412254;1456084837;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
1412255;1456084856;asciilifeform;phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412134 << this is very spiffy
1412256;1456084856;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 18:08:18; phf: or my favorite http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable&search=asciilifeform
1412257;1456084910;mod6;take a look, i've removed 3 lines: 1. in the comment section where it lists PK's key fingerprint at the top  2. the curl that pulls the sign file for buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign  3. the gpg command that verifies buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
1412258;1456084926;jurov;with my `cwd` problem yest, looks like i have ran into http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=304587 :(
1412259;1456084928;assbot;why does ignoring sigCHLD corrupt return value from system()? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgrlLc )
1412260;1456084928;*;asciilifeform looks
1412261;1456084938;jurov;why do i keep getting such obscure stuff...
1412262;1456084943;mod6;c2ed1ccbb6769ada764b6d31e7a06873860c422109c4f8506cbda04402243c0534c9555f44f4c47071ebc3d6e3ece720b84de2940a2639381ef77652b34c3030
1412263;1456084956;mod6;sha512 for build-bitcoind-V99995.sh is now ^^
1412264;1456084974;mod6;jurov: do you mean `pwd' ?
1412265;1456084982;jurov;yes pwd
1412266;1456085017;jurov;basically, perl's fork() stopped working
1412267;1456085025;mod6;what version of *nix & what version of perl
1412268;1456085026;jurov;much joy
1412269;1456085039;asciilifeform;jurov: whatddyamean 'stop working' ?!
1412270;1456085044;asciilifeform;as in, cosmic ray ?
1412271;1456085050;asciilifeform;or did you... update the box.
1412272;1456085054;jurov;gentoo, perl 5.20.2
1412273;1456085061;jurov;i updated glibc with the patch
1412274;1456085065;asciilifeform;aaaaah
1412275;1456085069;jurov;for getname
1412276;1456085076;asciilifeform;which patch ?
1412277;1456085076;mod6;pwd is used iirc in v.pl, but only in the contex of it being a shell out - your environment should execute this and return the result to a scalar.
1412278;1456085082;jurov;gethostbyname
1412279;1456085086;asciilifeform;well yes
1412280;1456085089;asciilifeform;but ~which patch~
1412281;1456085113;mod6;fork() shoudn't even be a consideration here... im confused.
1412282;1456085122;phf;yeesh, when shiva fails to read init.scm it kills the whole bitcoind there and then
1412283;1456085169;asciilifeform;phf: kills how ?
1412284;1456085174;jurov;mod6 `pwd` call subprocess
1412285;1456085180;jurov;hence, fork
1412286;1456085196;phf;Shiva: new session, connected from 127.0.0.1:49563
1412287;1456085196;phf;libc++abi.dylib: terminating with uncaught exception of type std::runtime_error: Shiva: failed to read init file!
1412288;1456085197;phf;run: line 4: 67621 Abort trap: 6
1412289;1456085198;mod6;perl doesn't care about what subprocesses a unix command may or may not use tho.
1412290;1456085198;asciilifeform;phf: and this is the correct behaviour (IF SHIVA IS ENABLED), just needs to happen cleanly and humanely. does it ?
1412291;1456085204;asciilifeform;ah this is CORRECT phf.
1412292;1456085211;jurov;asciilifeform: how do i list patches that went into glibc-2.22-r2 ?
1412293;1456085229;mod6;it'd be like doing the same thing in a bash script: PWD=`pwd`; echo $PWD;
1412294;1456085234;phf;oh i agree, it should kill, just not without prejudice
1412295;1456085244;phf;(i.e. no reason to corrupt db in the process)
1412296;1456085255;asciilifeform;jurov: look in the portage cache, possibly. but you might have to diff with previous.
1412297;1456085279;mod6;jurov: fwiw, i do a huge % of testing on a gentoo env with perl 5.20...
1412298;1456085281;asciilifeform;phf: possibly it ought to die before the db is opened.
1412299;1456085305;mod6;v5.20.2 for x86_64-linux
1412300;1456085309;phf;well, init.scm is read on each connection, since there's no persistence
1412301;1456085332;jurov;mod6 well, on another box i updates glibc to same version and perl works fine
1412302;1456085338;jurov;*updated
1412303;1456085356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0005655 = 22.2242 BTC [+]
1412304;1456085358;mod6;weird
1412305;1456085658;mod6;so again, this is because somehow V thinks that your pwd is in / ?
1412306;1456085661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41214 @ 0.00056467 = 23.2723 BTC [-] {2} 
1412307;1456085753;mod6;are you in / when executing V, by doing something like `/path/to/where/V/is/actually/located/v.pl`
1412308;1456085759;mod6;because then your pwd would be /
1412309;1456085772;mod6;and it'll look for .wot in /
1412310;1456085802;punkman;http://archive.is/DZy45
1412311;1456085805;assbot;Should enQ Get To Sell Spots In IRS Phone Queue? - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgsJ0j )
1412312;1456085897;jurov;mod6 noooo, pwd is external program. it failed to run it and returned nothing
1412313;1456085911;jurov;and nothing + '/.wot' is...
1412314;1456085914;mod6;ok, so pwd just fails as is.
1412315;1456085942;mod6;what does `which pwd` tell you?
1412316;1456085944;jurov;but don't mind, this is my private mess
1412317;1456085958;jurov;even system('ls') fails
1412318;1456085964;mod6;im simply curious here, never seen a pwd fail before.
1412319;1456085969;mod6;oooh.
1412320;1456086029;mod6;yeah, probably need to re-chroot or whatever it is with gentoo
1412321;1456086054;mod6;asciilifeform or trinque have any thoughts for the man?
1412322;1456086107;mod6;in other news jurov, im about to re-send the emails from yesterday
1412323;1456086123;jurov;yay just recompiled perl without thread support, that did the trick
1412324;1456086131;jurov;mod6 go on
1412325;1456086145;mod6;wait, now it works?!?!
1412326;1456086149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44345 @ 0.00057003 = 25.278 BTC [+] {2} 
1412327;1456086157;ben_vulpes;lol thread support did it huh?
1412328;1456086167;jurov;yes, both my perl and turdatron
1412329;1456086182;mod6;lemme see if i get this.  perl with thread support broke your entire gentoo?
1412330;1456086210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12655 @ 0.0005712 = 7.2285 BTC [+]
1412331;1456086223;asciilifeform;i have nfi
1412332;1456086233;jurov;not entire. just occassional problems with perl scripts like v.pl and autotools
1412333;1456086258;mod6;but i thought you said that `ls` and `pwd` didn't work, like in your shell.  that shouldn't have anything to do with perl.
1412334;1456086282;mod6;my mind is blown.  these are C binaries.
1412335;1456086296;jurov;THEY DID WORK
1412336;1456086304;jurov;but perl failed to execue them!
1412337;1456086330;jurov;most perl scripts meddle with $SIG so they worked fine
1412338;1456086355;mod6;but, say, normal use; you log in, you get a shell, you type `ls` and that would just work as expected right?
1412339;1456086394;jurov;yes, everything worked. except perl -e "print system('ls') or die $!" returned just -1
1412340;1456086398;mod6;ahhhh
1412341;1456086400;mod6;ok.
1412342;1456086406;mod6;then that makes a bit more sense.
1412343;1456086426;mod6;maybe i should rewrite V in C
1412344;1456086483;jurov;as i said, don't mind. it's my problem, i should not avoid dubious USE flags
1412345;1456086486;mod6;well, someday maybe.  still a dog with fleas.
1412346;1456086496;jurov;*i should avoid
1412347;1456086498;shinohai;btw mod6 I have reproduced it again just fine this morning Deb 8 and Ubuntu 14.04
1412348;1456086540;mod6;ah, ok good deal shinohai.  I updated the script so that it doens't even pull that .sign file.  we'll just rely on the sha512 that I hvae, alf has, and ben has.
1412349;1456086556;mod6;the link is above if anyone wants to give it a try.
1412350;1456086561;shinohai;works for me
1412351;1456086609;asciilifeform;phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield
1412352;1456086609;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 20:08:29; phf: well, init.scm is read on each connection, since there's no persistence
1412353;1456086656;mod6;shinohai: ok cool! im running mine right now
1412354;1456086680;mod6;im making a `typescript' of the output as well.  will post later when its complete.
1412355;1456086688;shinohai;Me too did u get my pm with the address to node stats?
1412356;1456086702;mod6;ah, ya, haven't looked yet tho.
1412357;1456086703;*;mod6 looks
1412358;1456086752;mod6;cool!
1412359;1456086759;mod6;9 connections, there soemthing i don't see everyday.
1412360;1456086787;mod6;thanks for your help all. much appreciated.
1412361;1456086796;shinohai;Sometimes gets as many as 12
1412362;1456086802;mod6;wow.  cool.
1412363;1456086837;mod6;so once we're happy with this build-script, etc.  we cna update that wiki, then we're back in sync.  then I can take some time to get the makefiles stuff all organized.
1412364;1456086841;mod6;no super rush there.
1412365;1456086854;mod6;just only was in a hurry to get back into sync.
1412366;1456086908;mod6;jurov: glad you got it resolved tho.  let us know how it goes for you.
1412367;1456086942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00057256 = 82.9926 BTC [+] {4} 
1412368;1456086948;jurov;it did compile the bitcoind, the problem was intermittent
1412369;1456086963;mod6;ok now to resend those emails...
1412370;1456086975;mod6;wish me luck lol
1412371;1456087023;ben_vulpes;> 9 connections << coracle currently serving 13 strangers
1412372;1456087090;ben_vulpes;and in other nyooz of the weird and strange saga of ben_vulpes endeavoring to set up a reference implementation on his heathen macintosh, buildroot fails to compile in linux virtual machines of all sorts of flavors
1412373;1456087101;*;ben_vulpes gives up again
1412374;1456087108;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: post moar detail ?
1412375;1456087130;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: fwiw it builds on 'centos', ubiquitous
1412376;1456087137;phf;i have it running in a frowned upon state. cmake, llvm, clang
1412377;1456087140;mod6;huh, yeah wouldn't have expected that
1412378;1456087152;ben_vulpes;here's the last line, asciilifeform: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
1412379;1456087172;mod6;and this is a gentoo VM? or ubuntu?
1412380;1456087172;asciilifeform;phf: this is not useless, you can do the thing with the call graph even
1412381;1456087173;ben_vulpes;phf: share your weird!
1412382;1456087186;asciilifeform;phf: i have long wanted to get this working, so i can haz call graph
1412383;1456087195;asciilifeform;which gcc refuses to disgorge
1412384;1456087195;ben_vulpes;mod6: under gentoo the vm simply gives up on life
1412385;1456087213;ben_vulpes;mod6: under ubuntu 14.04 running make in buildroot exits as above
1412386;1456087228;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lemme guess: gcc 5
1412387;1456087233;ben_vulpes;heh
1412388;1456087234;asciilifeform;KILL IT WITH FIRE
1412389;1456087237;asciilifeform;and try again.
1412390;1456087237;ben_vulpes;i didn't even check.
1412391;1456087241;mod6;yeah, maybe alf has it
1412392;1456087248;asciilifeform;4.9 is already broken for some cases
1412393;1456087277;ben_vulpes;gcc (Gentoo 4.6.3 p1.13, pie-0.5.2) 4.6.3
1412394;1456087282;phf;ben_vulpes: i'm building it from inside Clion, so i'm not sure how easy it is to do cmake otherwise, i can share the diff though
1412395;1456087293;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: hm, ought to work
1412396;1456087297;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1412397;1456087302;asciilifeform;but wtf is 'pie'
1412398;1456087305;mod6;jurov: lol, those emails envetually went through!!!?!
1412399;1456087312;ben_vulpes;is this perversion even worth running down?
1412400;1456087317;mod6;glad i checked or they would have been in there 2x.
1412401;1456087336;ben_vulpes;i figured this for more of a "half bottle of wine in a girl's butt" report. entertainment, not science.
1412402;1456087337;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: any such perversion is ~always~ worth running to ground
1412403;1456087344;asciilifeform;it is how we discovered the libnss thing
1412404;1456087348;asciilifeform;and other evils
1412405;1456087356;mod6;yaaa, i recall this
1412406;1456087359;jurov;mod6: what mail provides do you use? trying to resend email for 3 days is standard
1412407;1456087375;asciilifeform;pretty much everything we have, we have because someone ran the motherfucking gnomes to ground, each time.
1412408;1456087379;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes's turn.
1412409;1456087385;mod6;jurov: evil mail
1412410;1456087406;ben_vulpes;to be frank, i have no idea how this gentoo image was even built in the first place.
1412411;1456087412;asciilifeform;waiwut
1412412;1456087415;asciilifeform;i thought you built it ?
1412413;1456087422;asciilifeform;or where, found on the street ?
1412414;1456087433;ben_vulpes;no, 'twas some abortion pulled in via 'atlas', 'hashicorp'
1412415;1456087444;asciilifeform;what even is that
1412416;1456087455;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski here's that change log you wanted: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000213.html
1412417;1456087456;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99995 K ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ugvezz )
1412418;1456087456;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1412419;1456087456;phf;ben_vulpes: you brought this upon yourself :D
1412420;1456087457;ben_vulpes;'easy development environments for derpvelopers on macintosh!'
1412421;1456087476;ben_vulpes;phf: it's a hobby
1412422;1456087481;asciilifeform;this is where i repeat mircea_popescu's admonition not to eat from dumpsters.
1412423;1456087501;ben_vulpes;but the phood is phr33!
1412424;1456087509;asciilifeform;quite.
1412425;1456087522;mod6;haha. also gives you the shits.
1412426;1456087541;ben_vulpes;as demonstrated!
1412427;1456087547;mod6;hahahahahaha
1412428;1456087560;mod6;ugh. man. computers right?
1412429;1456087881;jurov;butbutbut riced dumpsters!
1412430;1456087913;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://www.applelogic.org/files/6502SCHEMATIC.pdf
1412431;1456087917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTtHKq )
1412432;1456087923;asciilifeform;^ apparently the whole thing. 1 page.
1412433;1456087924;phf;man, writing scheme is like trying to build an eiffel tower out of toothpicks
1412434;1456087958;asciilifeform;phf: only the first time. it then turns into a steel beam you can use to build proper towers.
1412435;1456087985;phf;once i bootstrap entire cl you mean? (define-macro (destructuring-bind ...
1412436;1456087993;asciilifeform;aha.
1412437;1456087999;asciilifeform;incidentally, tried slib ?
1412438;1456088017;phf;no
1412439;1456088020;phf;will look
1412440;1456088101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00056373 = 27.0027 BTC [-] {2} 
1412441;1456088292;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b17
1412442;1456088406;mircea_popescu;i shall now proceed to read the scrollback!
1412443;1456088418;mircea_popescu;god help the man that takes a nap during republican times.
1412444;1456088450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412040 << lol that escalated quickly.
1412445;1456088450;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 16:27:59; asciilifeform: it is an example of everything i stand against.
1412446;1456088468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read his thing, mega-recommended.
1412447;1456088482;asciilifeform;will see why.
1412448;1456088488;mircea_popescu;o no. i'm not going to arbiter on code matters.
1412449;1456088497;mircea_popescu;consensus process, bitches.
1412450;1456088518;asciilifeform;don't need to. but see the thing in question, imho it is more or less the perfect example of what not to do.
1412451;1456088568;mircea_popescu;lol k.
1412452;1456088617;mircea_popescu;heh.
1412453;1456088635;mircea_popescu;so the guy is more familiar with cpp, naturally wants to isolate the weird he's taking in and take it in at controlled rate.
1412454;1456088651;mircea_popescu;won't be accepted in trb by any means, but i dun see anything wrong wiht the process.
1412455;1456088671;mircea_popescu;gotta figure it out somehow.
1412456;1456088673;asciilifeform;well it pull in the direction precisely opposite to shiva.
1412457;1456088676;asciilifeform;*pulls
1412458;1456088684;asciilifeform;while being nominally a shiva patch.
1412459;1456088704;asciilifeform;and i am all for the fella figuring things out, so long as he understands this, and the ~why~.
1412460;1456088705;mircea_popescu;eh it doesn't pull anything. think about it : it is a modest, quiet hope, specifically that shiva/b-a/trb is actually heavy enough that it may pull him.
1412461;1456088720;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with treating your baby as a chunk of bedrock, you know.
1412462;1456088744;ben_vulpes;what even was the point of the schemehooks?
1412463;1456088745;mircea_popescu;tied some ropes to it and pulling on them, technically yes "this pulls the earth the wrong way". practically, tis alpinism.
1412464;1456088767;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: multifold point. most realistically, and in the short term, to abolish the json rpc crapolade.
1412465;1456088791;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: more generally, and later, as an internal debugger.
1412466;1456088809;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: much more generally, and much later - as potential replacement for entire chunks of the rotten flesh.
1412467;1456088897;ben_vulpes;these are the original hooks? i misread
1412468;1456088906;asciilifeform;there are no useful hooks yet.
1412469;1456088920;asciilifeform;there is a demo, which was supplied with the original patch, that gets block count, and another knob that quits.
1412470;1456088938;phf;asciilifeform: he's asking about SchemeHook from polarbeard's patch
1412471;1456088943;asciilifeform;ah
1412472;1456088948;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1412473;1456088951;asciilifeform;these, i think, are meant to be debug hooks
1412474;1456088956;asciilifeform;but ask him, not me.
1412475;1456089176;mircea_popescu;and in the world's most amusing porn news, "pregnant male doctor grabs boob" http://41.media.tumblr.com/cbf106747cae91ec1e7fa6bbad5fcbe9/tumblr_mlvjrxMRnl1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1412476;1456089178;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTvMpJ )
1412477;1456089205;asciilifeform;l0l this one's for BingoBoingo
1412478;1456089232;mircea_popescu;imo the "skelet" thing on the wall totally makes it.
1412479;1456089236;asciilifeform;aha.
1412480;1456089238;mircea_popescu;modern if unintentional art.
1412481;1456089309;jurov;at least he has he stethoscope on
1412482;1456089326;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412083 << total fucking misnomers alf won't let go of with his lyf!
1412483;1456089326;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 16:49:27; asciilifeform: hence turingcompletevtron.
1412484;1456089340;asciilifeform;hm?
1412485;1456089366;mircea_popescu;what [i believe] you have in mind when ytou say "tc" in thsi context is pointedly not what most anyone reading it would expect it to mean.
1412486;1456089383;asciilifeform;it means what everybody's kindergarten textbook had it mean!11
1412487;1456089396;mircea_popescu;but a very... haskellite, even, theoretical notion.
1412488;1456089408;asciilifeform;how?
1412489;1456089442;asciilifeform;all i ask for is that vtron be able to specify arbitrary transformations, e.g., 'replace every letter a with b', rather than the +++/--- imbecility.
1412490;1456089452;mircea_popescu;in that it's "turing complete in a purely theoretical sense and with none of the practical overhead a practical implementation would imply except in those cases where it is clearly and truly needed".
1412491;1456089494;jurov;^yes i was hinting at this too
1412492;1456089495;asciilifeform;i suppose, like every other time before, i am doomed to demonstrate ~by example~...
1412493;1456089496;mircea_popescu;in this sense cunt is turing complete, it can express all proteins.
1412494;1456089572;mircea_popescu;good luck getting the fps to do so, however.
1412495;1456089595;phf;i think the idea is to have a slightly more constrained awk. patchmachine takes string, manipulates it, returns new string
1412496;1456089612;mircea_popescu;phf my mental model is essentially "awk without regexp"
1412497;1456089617;asciilifeform;phf: specifically not awk and nothing like awk.
1412498;1456089624;jurov;no the ide was  patchmachine takes *filesystem* and ditto
1412499;1456089631;asciilifeform;enough with the arbitrary nonorthogonal craplangs.
1412500;1456089632;jurov;*idea
1412501;1456089649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what other than regexp do you hate in awk ? and being gnucpp, of course.\
1412502;1456089661;asciilifeform;plenty.
1412503;1456089665;asciilifeform;e.g., not homoiconic
1412504;1456089670;phf;jurov: or that
1412505;1456089671;asciilifeform;no lambda.
1412506;1456089676;asciilifeform;no proper arrays even.
1412507;1456089677;jurov;lol first me tormenting alf with ed, now they awk
1412508;1456089687;mircea_popescu;ok, you know, say that! "i want a homoiconic thing with lambda", rather than "tc"
1412509;1456089689;asciilifeform;hey vdiff is in awk.
1412510;1456089709;mircea_popescu;which is what the first pass of this convo actually exactly was, iirc.
1412511;1456089723;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411970
1412512;1456089723;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 15:48:49; mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
1412513;1456089726;asciilifeform;anyway if i already knew what this needs to look like, i'd have already written it.
1412514;1456089740;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1412515;1456089747;asciilifeform;it needs to come out of the 'resistance of the medium' from the sort of thing we find ourselves doing with regularity.
1412516;1456089769;mircea_popescu;which is why one'd expect a lot more alma matering of stuff like polarbeard's.
1412517;1456089781;mircea_popescu;he's bound to run into a shitton of resistance of the medium in short order with that thing.
1412518;1456089801;asciilifeform;if only it were so simple. do you notice what most programming types do when they run into a forest ?
1412519;1456089808;asciilifeform;they build bulldozer, drive right through the oaks.
1412520;1456089816;mircea_popescu;aha.
1412521;1456089822;jurov;maybe we'll end up with vtron that actually allow to implement source code parser inside vpatches so that it computes checksums for every function
1412522;1456089832;asciilifeform;as described by naggum, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144404199547949@naggum.no.html
1412523;1456089833;assbot;source access vs dynamism - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/217BSgV )
1412524;1456089836;mircea_popescu;maybe we could name it php!
1412525;1456089840;jurov;and the graph will be made from these checksums
1412526;1456089873;jurov;so that descendants will list code snippets the actually depend on
1412527;1456089881;jurov;instead of whole files
1412528;1456089888;asciilifeform;jurov: forget about usefully parsing cpp.
1412529;1456089900;asciilifeform;it is quite likely undecidable.
1412530;1456089905;asciilifeform;(make of this what you will)
1412531;1456089959;jurov;someone inewitably will try it anyway. and i wish to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron
1412532;1456089971;asciilifeform;i am quite certain that every possible thing will be tried.
1412533;1456089985;phf;vpatch generating mandelbrots
1412534;1456089994;asciilifeform;betcha somebody's very busy stuffing the winblowz crud back in, for instance.
1412535;1456090010;asciilifeform;and somewhere, probably not too far from each of us,
1412536;1456090014;asciilifeform;a pig is eating its own shit.
1412537;1456090019;asciilifeform;what of it.
1412538;1456090054;mircea_popescu;jurov> someone inewitably will try it anyway. and i wish to see your face upon seeing vpatch with embedded cpptron <<< abhahaha win
1412539;1456090099;jurov;actually, that's logical conclusion of what you want. instead of "teh stupid +++ --- stuff" make c++ parser, apply a transform and generate code
1412540;1456090110;asciilifeform;jurov: do you know why not ?
1412541;1456090114;asciilifeform;because it is HEAVY
1412542;1456090118;asciilifeform;remember 'fits in head' ?
1412543;1456090140;jurov;arbitrary text transformations like you dream of do not fit in head
1412544;1456090144;asciilifeform;sure they do.
1412545;1456090150;asciilifeform;tinyscheme fits in head.
1412546;1456090153;asciilifeform;and it can do it.
1412547;1456090158;asciilifeform;and it isn't even as slim as it could be.
1412548;1456090170;jurov;then it couild also parse c++
1412549;1456090186;jurov;it's arbitrary text transformation, too
1412550;1456090192;asciilifeform;jurov: you are welcome to try parsing cpp, it would be a pretty useful proggy incidentally
1412551;1456090204;asciilifeform;but the last time i asked for one, no one found any other than 'clang'.
1412552;1456090229;asciilifeform;the language is gargantuan, just enough parser to ~compile~ is likely to take you a decade to write.
1412553;1456090234;asciilifeform;and no one will read.
1412554;1456090254;mircea_popescu;incredibly enough, afl's objections actually carry.
1412555;1456090267;mircea_popescu;"arbitrary text transformations" but only between these two sets we carefully curated.
1412556;1456090276;mircea_popescu;exactly like how human sciences work.
1412557;1456090297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now stop calling it "tc" and confusing people. concept needs a new name.
1412558;1456090321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lacking a rigorously narrower complexity class, i am stuck with tc
1412559;1456090338;asciilifeform;but if you have one, let's.
1412560;1456090341;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "i want a whaleoctopusdeerkitten" because you dunno how to say girlfriend
1412561;1456090354;asciilifeform;nah more like 'i need a bipedal mammal'
1412562;1456090408;mircea_popescu;backpedal more like it amirite
1412563;1456090415;mircea_popescu;snort snort nudge nudge
1412564;1456090426;ben_vulpes;i read 'tc' in the sense of 'can express arbitrary actions', in the vein of the old joke about programming in $shitlang: "hey, it's turing complete, we can make it do whatever we need"
1412565;1456090439;ben_vulpes;brainfuck etc
1412566;1456090452;mircea_popescu;if a name is not produced we'll just call it alf-tc
1412567;1456090456;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you are thinking of 'turing tarpit'
1412568;1456090469;asciilifeform;'... where everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy'
1412569;1456090477;mircea_popescu;quite.
1412570;1456090484;mircea_popescu;!up Jacmet
1412571;1456090489;mircea_popescu;check it out, stolen plutoniumz.
1412572;1456090495;asciilifeform;best h0stn4m3
1412573;1456090504;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yup.
1412574;1456090515;mircea_popescu;is it supposed to say "stolen plutonium dick" ? possibly only better thing.
1412575;1456090571;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: ;)
1412576;1456090573;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412091 << this is not even wrong ftr.
1412577;1456090573;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 16:54:08; asciilifeform: we have finessed the halting problem !1111
1412578;1456090592;mircea_popescu;Jacmet who're you and what are you doing here ?
1412579;1456090594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that
1412580;1456090603;mircea_popescu;nono. i don't mean THAT "not even wrong"
1412581;1456090609;asciilifeform;ah l0l
1412582;1456090614;mircea_popescu;i mean to convey my surprise and giddy excitement as to how it's not wrong.
1412583;1456090619;asciilifeform;'if all you have is Unix, certain problems are so staggeringly tall that it takes an extra special genius to see what the _real_ problem is because all the people who are trying to climb it make it look as if doing something else is stupid.' << naggum delivers.
1412584;1456090621;mircea_popescu;but lacking a better complexity class...
1412585;1456090625;asciilifeform;ahahaha
1412586;1456090629;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: got a mail that you guys were doing something with Buildroot and if I could join?
1412587;1456090634;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1412588;1456090646;mircea_popescu;we are : it's become the replacement harness for bitcoin.
1412589;1456090663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00057355 = 25.1502 BTC [+]
1412590;1456090670;ben_vulpes;whoa hey
1412591;1456090670;mircea_popescu;and buildroot with musl prevented us from bathing in the same humiliation EVERYONE else ended up in with the recent gethostbyaddr thing
1412592;1456090671;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: ahh, interesting
1412593;1456090678;ben_vulpes;Jacmet: are you K?
1412594;1456090686;mircea_popescu;so listen, register your gpg key with assbot.
1412595;1456090730;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: and buildroot is working out of you or do you have some kind of problems?
1412596;1456090745;Jacmet;s/of/for/
1412597;1456090758;ben_vulpes;Jacmet: buildroot is working rather niftily.
1412598;1456090761;mircea_popescu;so far it's working splendidly afaik.
1412599;1456090763;mircea_popescu;!s buildroot
1412600;1456090764;assbot;251 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot
1412601;1456090775;asciilifeform;been working splendidly for nearly a year.
1412602;1456090782;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: great
1412603;1456090864;mircea_popescu;so get in teh wot, you have a lot of love here.
1412604;1456090884;Jacmet;and yes, the current gpg key used for buildroot signing is getting quite old
1412605;1456090905;mircea_popescu;aha.
1412606;1456090922;mircea_popescu;that would be the one problem - the thing is a very valuable security asset, should be better protected.
1412607;1456090942;mircea_popescu;make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that.
1412608;1456090993;asciilifeform;Jacmet: as you probably know, buildroot is a coveted boobytrap target for 1,001 miscreants of various stripes.
1412609;1456091000;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: true. I'll get the new key cross signed by the other devs at our next dev days and start using it
1412610;1456091005;asciilifeform;Jacmet: and some folks have downloaded tarballs that don't pass checksum.
1412611;1456091034;Jacmet;asciilifeform: really? We never had reports on the ml or on irc
1412612;1456091045;asciilifeform;consider this a report.
1412613;1456091080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where was the line/dpaste ? dja recall ?
1412614;1456091086;asciilifeform;digging for it now
1412615;1456091090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5413 @ 0.00057355 = 3.1046 BTC [+]
1412616;1456091102;asciilifeform;but most recently, today
1412617;1456091111;Jacmet;asciilifeform: what was the difference between the bad/good tarball? Real rogue code or just interrupted download?
1412618;1456091202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412151 << aww don't feel bad!
1412619;1456091202;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 18:56:36; kakobrekla: logs tell me no one missed me, great :)
1412620;1456091203;asciilifeform;Jacmet: i unfortunately do not have it presently.
1412621;1456091222;mircea_popescu;Jacmet what is it, #buildroot ?
1412622;1456091243;Jacmet;asciilifeform: ok, I would be *VERY* interested in comparing them
1412623;1456091247;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: yes
1412624;1456091247;asciilifeform;as would i.
1412625;1456091286;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated news, do you take bitcoin donations Jacmet ?
1412626;1456091311;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: I guess we could, but it has never come up so far
1412627;1456091320;asciilifeform;Jacmet: the background: i originally picked up buildroot to do an arm system build for an obscure box. and then discovered that it is also the only practical means of compiling with musl instead of glibc, for any system
1412628;1456091323;asciilifeform;and here we are.
1412629;1456091326;mircea_popescu;so get that sane key made, reg it and sign an address, i'll send you a coin.
1412630;1456091337;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: we're currently setting up a non profit organization around buildroot
1412631;1456091354;mircea_popescu;that's a horrible idea if the wya such things work out in practice is any guide.
1412632;1456091370;Jacmet;asciilifeform: ok
1412633;1456091377;mircea_popescu;pick a strong leader in the form of a person, build your thing atop pgp sigs and forget the nonsense fiat.
1412634;1456091422;Jacmet;mircea_popescu: we already have that (me ;)
1412635;1456091433;mircea_popescu;so don't make the mistake.
1412636;1456091440;mircea_popescu;it fucked up everyone to date.
1412637;1456091461;ben_vulpes;!s linus
1412638;1456091462;assbot;148 results for 'linus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=linus
1412639;1456091463;mircea_popescu;x.org just recently lost their only asset because of inept "non profit" shenanigans.
1412640;1456091468;ben_vulpes;!s de raadt
1412641;1456091469;assbot;35 results for 'de raadt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=de+raadt
1412642;1456091578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23928 @ 0.00056222 = 13.4528 BTC [-]
1412643;1456091650;mod6;Jacmet: thanks for stopping in.
1412644;1456091720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't seem to find it in the logz
1412645;1456091720;Jacmet;mod6: you're welcome
1412646;1456091769;asciilifeform;Jacmet: i dare say that linux is only meaningfully alive today in the form of buildroot.
1412647;1456091795;ben_vulpes;Jacmet: another thing worth pointing out are that sha1 and md5 are obsolete
1412648;1456091824;Jacmet;ben_vulpes: yes, the key is from 2009 or so, where those were the defaults
1412649;1456091883;ben_vulpes;whats the connection between key and file hash algos?
1412650;1456091936;asciilifeform;Jacmet: if you open a nonprofit org, esp. in usa, you will be surrounding yourself with, and eventually giving control over various aspects of the project, to people who do not work in good faith.
1412651;1456091965;asciilifeform;as happened with, famously, openbsd.
1412652;1456092013;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407023 << thread.
1412653;1456092013;assbot;Logged on 16-02-2016 16:36:23; asciilifeform: now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie
1412654;1456092028;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that. << RSA too.
1412655;1456092062;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2015#1335360 << more
1412656;1456092062;assbot;Logged on 02-12-2015 04:13:47; BingoBoingo: "On a personal "hate ramen noodles and tuna" level, I agree. But my good-for-project-good-for-the-world side says the OpenBSD Foundation is more effective at growing the contribution pie and in particular funding the hackathons where great work happens." - Theo De Raadt
1412657;1456092082;asciilifeform;!s bob beck
1412658;1456092083;assbot;27 results for 'bob beck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bob+beck
1412659;1456092310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37241 @ 0.00056222 = 20.9376 BTC [-]
1412660;1456092321;asciilifeform;!up Jacmet
1412661;1456092758;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=release << broken ?
1412662;1456092759;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/24l9iYC )
1412663;1456092759;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1412664;1456092803;phf;huh, indeed
1412665;1456092984;phf;asciilifeform: ah, sorry i did a rename
1412666;1456093005;phf;while early in the game, stable, experimental, uploads and deprecated
1412667;1456093028;phf;you want http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable
1412668;1456093029;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/24l9VkL )
1412669;1456093047;phf;actually i don't know how to call them..
1412670;1456093058;mircea_popescu;Jacmet give a looksee at how buildroot is currently used
1412671;1456093065;mircea_popescu;mod6 got a link to the current sh ?
1412672;1456093071;mod6;yeah.
1412673;1456093073;*;mod6 finds
1412674;1456093108;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1412675;1456093109;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
1412676;1456093164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00056651 = 13.143 BTC [+]
1412677;1456093238;Jacmet;mod6: thanks. Any specific reason you guys are still on 2015.05?
1412678;1456093288;asciilifeform;Jacmet: know of any specific reason why we oughta use a newer one ?
1412679;1456093291;Jacmet;mod6: and why the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it?
1412680;1456093296;mod6;np. well, we've been working for quite a while now to get all of this tooling setup the way we need it.  we haven't had a reason to move forward with the version.
1412681;1456093312;Jacmet;asciilifeform: newer and shinier ;)
1412682;1456093316;asciilifeform;Jacmet: we permenently froze specific versions.
1412683;1456093318;asciilifeform;of all dependencies.
1412684;1456093344;asciilifeform;the 'why' of this is best illustrated by the heartbleed incident.
1412685;1456093345;mircea_popescu;Jacmet tmsr doth not believe in upgrades. on the contrary, the versions here count towards 0.
1412686;1456093383;Jacmet;asciilifeform: E.G. updated openssl, there's been some security fixes since 1.0.1g
1412687;1456093384;mod6;<+Jacmet> mod6: and why the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it? << actually, one thing I think we're considering is doing a modification to buildroot so that we don't pull its deps over the wan via rsync. is there a way, currently, to just place all of its deps somewhere so it won't rsync?
1412688;1456093423;asciilifeform;Jacmet: we don't use tls for anything, nor ever intend to.
1412689;1456093448;Jacmet;mod6: yes, the download infrastructure in buildroot will only download if the tarball isn't already available in the dl dir, or you can point it to a local mirror
1412690;1456093455;phf;Jacmet: bitcoind uses openssl for low level crypto operations, not actual client facing stuff
1412691;1456093467;Jacmet;asciilifeform: ok
1412692;1456093468;mod6;Jacmet: oh fantastic, glad i asked.
1412693;1456093469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.0005679 = 24.0506 BTC [+] {3} 
1412694;1456093512;mod6;i was sweating that we were going to have to 'roll our own'.
1412695;1456093515;mod6;:]
1412696;1456093583;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's marked for replacement. just, iffy thing to replace, the crypto lib.
1412697;1456094133;mod6;Ok Gentlemen, I've gotta run for a few here.  Jacmet: Thanks again for stopping in.  When you're ready with your new key, stop on back and we'll help you get setup in the WoT.  Cheers!
1412698;1456094148;mod6;!up Jacmet
1412699;1456094323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28528 @ 0.00056222 = 16.039 BTC [-]
1412700;1456094330;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: so no love for da hooks? :) actually I'm not confortable at all using cpp...
1412701;1456094382;mircea_popescu;what do you normally use ?
1412702;1456094432;polarbeard;my daily work involves the rightfully hated javascript
1412703;1456094443;mircea_popescu;oic.
1412704;1456094450;mircea_popescu;pretty alien this whole landscape huh ?
1412705;1456094462;polarbeard;but I usually prefer expressive non-bullshit languages
1412706;1456094466;polarbeard;cpp is full of it
1412707;1456094467;mircea_popescu;i would suspect as far as alf is concerned, javascript is cpp.
1412708;1456094566;BingoBoingo;javascipt is worse, cpp on top of cpp
1412709;1456094611;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412184 << speaking of which, ever tried tourianski's establishment ?
1412710;1456094611;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 19:16:07; phf: this place is great http://www.russianturkishbaths.com if you're ever in nyc
1412711;1456094672;phf;no, what's that?
1412712;1456094700;mircea_popescu;mmm danielpbarron's gf was iirc a canadian bath gal.
1412713;1456094706;mircea_popescu;lemme see, should be in logs.
1412714;1456094816;mircea_popescu;well not directly apparent. nevermind i guess
1412715;1456094840;phf;oh, is that some other bathhouse in nyc?
1412716;1456094864;mircea_popescu;might have been vancouver or something.
1412717;1456094979;phf;aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there
1412718;1456095011;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, just a vague memory at this point.
1412719;1456095055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152914 @ 0.00057355 = 87.7038 BTC [+] {2} 
1412720;1456095116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15386 @ 0.00057356 = 8.8248 BTC [+]
1412721;1456095227;phf;fwiw cascade range has a bunch of fantastic hot spring places. there's one next to Seattle, one next to portland, i mean of the the ones i've been too. but there's also numerous holes of course
1412722;1456095260;asciilifeform;http://www.visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html << moar for old thread re: same.
1412723;1456095261;assbot;6502 Images ... ( http://bit.ly/1L47Tza )
1412724;1456095261;phf;in fact i'm going to breitenbush two weeks from now, in the ben_vulpes area
1412725;1456095286;*;mircea_popescu is not terribly fond of hot springs, for some reason they attract old folks.
1412726;1456095459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412261 << that's pretty weird.
1412727;1456095459;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 20:02:18; jurov: why do i keep getting such obscure stuff...
1412728;1456095477;phf;i used to do the whole 30 minute run through winter forest for a cold plunge in прорубь thing growing up, so i like hotsprings in winter. you get a pretty reasonable crowd around this time too, no idea how it is in summer
1412729;1456095478;mircea_popescu;sounds like perhaps an actual buffer hole or something.
1412730;1456095482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22114 @ 0.00057356 = 12.6837 BTC [+]
1412731;1456096013;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412317 << wtf.
1412732;1456096013;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 20:19:18; jurov: even system('ls') fails
1412733;1456096248;BingoBoingo;Fiat system https://archive.is/Pw5Yr
1412734;1456096250;assbot;Jared Carrabis on Twitter: "Welp. Here it is. Via the @BostonGlobe, the picture that everyone's going to be talking about tomorrow. https://t.co/FbWPrm8DfH" ... ( http://bit.ly/1L49wg0 )
1412735;1456097180;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412433 << this is where i point and laugh at you and mumble sometrhing about alf's admonition not to eat out of schemes
1412736;1456097180;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 20:52:04; phf: man, writing scheme is like trying to build an eiffel tower out of toothpicks
1412737;1456097326;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1412738;1456097332;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 437.7, vol: 11075.47017945 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 434.15, vol: 9701.36175 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.53, vol: 43990.17093531 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.60533968 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 448.2492, vol: 65369.96210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 432.3158, vol: 870.71229551 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 436.63648, vol: 71.6372979 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1412739;1456097333;BingoBoingo;;;more
1412740;1456097333;gribble;443.61158638
1412741;1456097377;ben_vulpes;phf: popular place with the ru folk in the area
1412742;1456097388;ben_vulpes;heck of a journey tho
1412743;1456098105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00057396 = 4.5343 BTC [+]
1412744;1456098501;gernika;phf: Had a terrible vegetarian thanksgiving dinner at Breitenbush.  I did see a naked woman there though, as a teenager.
1412745;1456099020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00057396 = 22.5566 BTC [+]
1412746;1456099179;mircea_popescu;what'd you say to her ?
1412747;1456099508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95836 @ 0.00057389 = 54.9993 BTC [-] {2} 
1412748;1456099600;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/8gpczk.png
1412749;1456099601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaxI0S )
1412750;1456100317;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record this "  the reason that source access is needed is the same as the cause of the problem: the inability to modify system behavior non-intrusively.  if one could modify OPEN on any given system to acquire new behavior _without_ compiling a new OPEN or, even if you did, without re-linking the entire system (thus the need for dynamic linking and similar solutions, too), source code access would
1412751;1456100317;mircea_popescu; be entirely immaterial." is rank idiocy.
1412752;1456100334;mircea_popescu;he is correct in that foss is mostly a problem unto itself, making the previous situation worse rather than better.
1412753;1456100368;asciilifeform;it is only possible to understand what naggum said if one is familiar with clos.
1412754;1456100372;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the "solution" he contemplates is of the level of "because inept us-style corporatism displays all the sechelae you'd expect if you got a bunch of farmers to say how cars should look, let's everyone run in traffic!"
1412755;1456100407;mircea_popescu;i do not WISH to run an "open" which may acquire unspecified powers in the future if the caller rubs its belly just right.
1412756;1456100443;mircea_popescu;the principal specification of any machine, not JUST computers, not just software stacks, not just lines of code, is to specify what it can never do.
1412757;1456100496;asciilifeform;naggum also suffered from a kind of garden of eden innocence in re: that he never once showed any sign of understanding sabotage
1412758;1456100502;mircea_popescu;right ?
1412759;1456100510;asciilifeform;aha.
1412760;1456100538;asciilifeform;then again he did pay for src licenses
1412761;1456100547;asciilifeform;and read.
1412762;1456100551;mircea_popescu;what he's talking about it is fractal they shall be delivered thing
1412763;1456100595;asciilifeform;how so?
1412764;1456100629;mircea_popescu;how so. how the fuck are you EVER going to sign off on any code when it is not possible to say what function call will never do ?
1412765;1456100698;asciilifeform;this 'never do' exists only if you burn into rom and then pour concrete around it.
1412766;1456100715;mircea_popescu;currently our substance is drawn specifically from the fact that for the past 2-3 decades, these twerps approached the problem of functionality ("the software doesn't do enough") with nary a clue about the problem of feedback ("the software does too much")
1412767;1456100746;asciilifeform;otherwise you might cat /dev/random > /dev/mem
1412768;1456100755;asciilifeform;and get a different do...
1412769;1456100762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sufficient and necessary concrete is readily available and of an abstract kind. i needn't any actual calcium carbonate to say various things about various bits of code.
1412770;1456100780;asciilifeform;but you do.
1412771;1456100789;mircea_popescu;i just mark it as broken.
1412772;1456100794;mircea_popescu;as for instance with openssl above.
1412773;1456100799;asciilifeform;the promises made by a c machine are false promises.
1412774;1456100809;asciilifeform;and certainly not protocol.
1412775;1456100811;mircea_popescu;this is a separate problem.
1412776;1456100834;mircea_popescu;that the concept is poorly implemented is a separable and in fact separate problem from that the concept is broken
1412777;1456100888;asciilifeform;these are not actually separate, causally
1412778;1456100939;mircea_popescu;we had a few threads about this. i suppose it's still an open q.
1412779;1456100946;asciilifeform;c machine is an exquisite study in what 'broken concept' actually means in practice.
1412780;1456100988;asciilifeform;it is a braindamaged model of computation that breeds fractal braindamage throughout.
1412781;1456101007;mircea_popescu;that may well be so. "with dirty hands no clean pages will be written".
1412782;1456101045;asciilifeform;not even hands, just an arse sliding around, inscribing in fecal ink.
1412783;1456101126;gernika;mircea_popescu: I don't recall saying anything.  Probably because I was pretending: "no big deal." or something.
1412784;1456101139;mircea_popescu;teenagers, tsk tsk.
1412785;1456101303;mircea_popescu;"(4) you could communicate your desire for a system-wide improvement to someone who could put it in the official sources and you could add your changes conditionally." << see specifically how he manges the very pointed difference discussed in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411186
1412786;1456101303;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
1412787;1456101326;mircea_popescu;i kinda wonder if naggum had lived to see b-a, whethger it'd have been passionate love or some sort of weird hate thing.
1412788;1456101616;asciilifeform;naggum was an old-worlder. in the very specific sense of taleb et al
1412789;1456101640;asciilifeform;for him, quality proggy is something created at a company, by experts, for money.
1412790;1456101657;mircea_popescu;not necessarily wrong.
1412791;1456101659;asciilifeform;aha.
1412792;1456101667;mircea_popescu;not really related to the discussion here, either.
1412793;1456101681;mircea_popescu;he doesn't believe, eg, math, is "something created at mit"
1412794;1456101710;mircea_popescu;even if he may or may not believe any particular building is the result of some people who did some calculations in private for money.
1412795;1456101712;asciilifeform;well not as such. but he very much saw it as something ~not~ created by teenagers in mother's basement
1412796;1456101715;asciilifeform;which is largely true.
1412797;1456101718;mircea_popescu;largely yes.
1412798;1456101736;mircea_popescu;except if everyone had plutonium induced braindamage from the fashion of eating plutonium pills
1412799;1456101738;mircea_popescu;then it would be.
1412800;1456101758;asciilifeform;quite.
1412801;1456101763;mircea_popescu;and lest you think such a thing is "impossible" : ustards ate off lead plates for many years, and even blamed tomatoes for hallucinated poisonousness.
1412802;1456101779;asciilifeform;hell, romans.
1412803;1456101782;mircea_popescu;all this because they really wanted to be as cool as the euros and didn't comprehend that faking it till you make it just gives you saturnism
1412804;1456101796;mircea_popescu;nah, romans used it for plumbing.
1412805;1456101804;mircea_popescu;and wrote down that you're not supposed to flint, michigan.
1412806;1456101817;asciilifeform;iirc also goblets ?
1412807;1456101820;asciilifeform;for the taste
1412808;1456101844;mircea_popescu;iirc that wasn't ever more than say tit implants
1412809;1456101857;*;asciilifeform can see it
1412810;1456101932;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.94000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b76
1412811;1456102619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13562 @ 0.00056708 = 7.6907 BTC [-]
1412812;1456104953;phf;pocorgtfo http://glyf.org/tmp/shiva-swank.png
1412813;1456104955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsL1W9 )
1412814;1456105227;asciilifeform;phf: very neat, and exactly what i wanted!
1412815;1456105231;asciilifeform;share?
1412816;1456105502;phf;of course
1412817;1456105596;phf;right now it's a bit jury rigged though. most intrusive is the addition of "keywords" to scheme.c, i.e. :foo evaluates to :foo
1412818;1456105681;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought that this was already there, selectably
1412819;1456105687;asciilifeform;hm.
1412820;1456105705;mircea_popescu;oya
1412821;1456105754;phf;they have some package hack foo::bar (and not foo:bar), which mostly just breaks things
1412822;1456105803;asciilifeform;ah.
1412823;1456105851;asciilifeform;thing needs readermacros
1412824;1456105864;phf;yes.
1412825;1456105866;asciilifeform;then you : could simply equal '
1412826;1456106401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37563 @ 0.00057387 = 21.5563 BTC [+] {2} 
1412827;1456106641;asciilifeform;in other lulz, looked for discussion of the alphago bet, and found ...
1412828;1456106645;asciilifeform;https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10153941386639228
1412829;1456106646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsMICR )
1412830;1456106944;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b77
1412831;1456106987;mircea_popescu;i'm not gonna click on fb.
1412832;1456107007;asciilifeform;'I have one bet on at 2:3 against AlphaGo winning against Sedol in March - they get my $667 if AlphaGo wins, I get their $1000 if AlphaGo loses. Does anyone else like those odds? (They originally offered me $1000 to $1500 and I've decided that I regret not taking the full amount.) EDIT: Have reached current betting capacity on Sedol at $1500 to $2250, others may still be taking bets.' << the whole thing.
1412833;1456107032;asciilifeform;dated feb 8.
1412834;1456107089;mircea_popescu;mmmkay...
1412835;1456107097;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/
1412836;1456107097;assbot;BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 30.73 B (53%) on Yes, 27.63 B (47%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 1 day| weight: 61`697 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsN9gt )
1412837;1456107121;mircea_popescu;;;calc ( 30.73 + 27.63) * 443.61158638
1412838;1456107122;gribble;25889.1721811
1412839;1456107144;mircea_popescu;amusingly bitbet is the largest pool on that topic on the whole internets, nobody seems to be aware of the situation.
1412840;1456107155;asciilifeform;;;google alphago bet
1412841;1456107156;gribble;BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match ...: ; Computer Go player 'AlphaGo' defeats pro in even game for first time ...: ; In a Huge Breakthrough, Google's AI Beats a Top Player at the ...:  yo hey yo hey << looks like my bouncer took a crap while I was out for the weekend. sup!
1412857;1456109953;mircea_popescu;wb
1412858;1456111769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82470 @ 0.00057402 = 47.3394 BTC [+] {3} 
1412859;1456111879;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411650 << this is because that's not a sig for buildroot; it's an armored signed copy of buildroot's hash
1412860;1456111879;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 02:30:15; assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6:  i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
1412861;1456111917;mod6;trinque: wb
1412862;1456111942;mod6;yah. i realized that lastnight. i think it also has to do with that i was using a derp version of gnupg too
1412863;1456111964;trinque;mod6: good evening, and cool
1412864;1456111968;mod6;anyway, not sure how i ever mixed that up.
1412865;1456111999;mod6;anyway, i the latest, we just pulled that out for the time being.
1412866;1456112306;danielpbarron;;; later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412717 << There's one on Fulton Street with great food
1412867;1456112306;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 22:49:39; phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there
1412868;1456112306;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1412869;1456112953;mircea_popescu;!up JuliaTourianski_
1412870;1456112983;JuliaTourianski_;it's been a while
1412871;1456112995;mircea_popescu;how goes ?
1412872;1456113009;mircea_popescu;hey, were you running a russian bath thing or am i completely delusional ?
1412873;1456113011;JuliaTourianski_;my headache just disappeared. magical!
1412874;1456113024;JuliaTourianski_;I am still running one
1412875;1456113053;mircea_popescu;where was it ?
1412876;1456113054;JuliaTourianski_;will be running 2 in the forseeable future
1412877;1456113089;JuliaTourianski_;Canada
1412878;1456113096;mircea_popescu;yes but which side of the pancake.
1412879;1456113101;JuliaTourianski_;E
1412880;1456113127;mircea_popescu;so... how about you pay the fine establishment a visit phf ?
1412881;1456113154;JuliaTourianski_;my mother got a call the other day with some guy asking her if we have glory holes. she had no idea what he meant.
1412882;1456113165;mircea_popescu;lol.
1412883;1456113189;JuliaTourianski_;phf?
1412884;1456113213;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2016#1412171
1412885;1456113213;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 19:08:14; phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome
1412886;1456113292;JuliaTourianski_;I like the fulton st bathhouse in nyc (amazing food), and this one http://www.russianturkishbaths.com/   nice atmosphere, oldschool family run
1412887;1456113292;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1412888;1456113293;assbot;010813rtbh ... ( http://bit.ly/1VymXp8 )
1412889;1456113299;JuliaTourianski_;they gave me a discount cuz I'm a fellow owner
1412890;1456113323;mircea_popescu;eh girls get discounts everywhere nudity's even vaguely involved.
1412891;1456113346;JuliaTourianski_;not true. the unisex nude on in san fran gave me no discount
1412892;1456113360;mircea_popescu;wrong kinda girl. shoulda been gay.
1412893;1456113379;JuliaTourianski_;all girls are gay
1412894;1456113388;JuliaTourianski_;if they so choose
1412895;1456113390;mircea_popescu;alright, i give, i got nothing.
1412896;1456113414;phf;of course, i'm always interested in new sauna places
1412897;1456113427;JuliaTourianski_;ur euro born right
1412898;1456113438;phf;yes, russian
1412899;1456113445;JuliaTourianski_;Ive been to bathhouses all over
1412900;1456113519;phf;i prefer contrast baths, hot bath, cold plunge, but yeah i've been to all kinds
1412901;1456113545;JuliaTourianski_;in turkey, we were walking round hoping to go to a hamam the next day..when we saw steam rising from one of the buildings...we inquired to find the oldest haman of turkey! it was amazing. they scrubbed me down so hard. and they giggled at my shyness.
1412902;1456113545;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1412903;1456113571;JuliaTourianski_;hammam*
1412904;1456113627;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1412905;1456113655;phf;is that the one that's few blocks away from hagia sophia?
1412906;1456113672;JuliaTourianski_;couldnt tell u
1412907;1456113673;mircea_popescu;should be.
1412908;1456113763;JuliaTourianski_;the general rule is...the more expensive a bathhouse is, the less authentic cuz only white tourists would pay that much to bathe...
1412909;1456113764;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski_ did you get that gaming system made ?
1412910;1456113781;JuliaTourianski_;yes. waiting for new monitor
1412911;1456113808;JuliaTourianski_;but purse.io has not filled my order for days...
1412912;1456113815;mircea_popescu;the girl/boy ratio in eulora is starting to skew the wrong way!
1412913;1456113819;phf;i've noticed that, there's a place right between the sophia and blue mosque, that's all turist.
1412914;1456113847;JuliaTourianski_;so why is eulora different than minecraft
1412915;1456113871;mircea_popescu;minecraft just creates shit out of thin air neh ?
1412916;1456113904;JuliaTourianski_;am i masculine cuz i was addicted to minecraft or feminine because i built a kitchen
1412917;1456113919;mircea_popescu;you're gay for caring!
1412918;1456113940;JuliaTourianski_;so ghay
1412919;1456113942;danielpbarron;minecraft is way more focused on sandboxing
1412920;1456113967;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i never played it, but is it inflationary ?
1412921;1456113971;danielpbarron;very
1412922;1456113974;JuliaTourianski_;do i have to give mp money to have fun in eulora
1412923;1456113978;mircea_popescu;well then that's the difference.
1412924;1456113987;mircea_popescu;JuliaTourianski_ nah atm noobs are making a pretty penny mining.
1412925;1456114024;JuliaTourianski_;ill give it a shot once my monitor happens
1412926;1456114046;danielpbarron;i used to play on a hardcore pvp server that had a decent economy (for minecraft) and they would have to periodically reset the whole world
1412927;1456114051;mircea_popescu;weren't ppls bitching that purse.io went scam or was that a different thing
1412928;1456114064;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron that's just fucking ridoinculous.
1412929;1456114076;JuliaTourianski_;not yet
1412930;1456114152;phf;danielpbarron: wait, fullton street in nyc?
1412931;1456114158;danielpbarron;ya
1412932;1456114191;phf;interesting, i've not been to that one
1412933;1456114236;JuliaTourianski_;great food
1412934;1456114267;danielpbarron;i pulled off some pretty cool raids on that minecraft server; the guy who made it coded this thing you could build out of expensive parts that would like you track down where people were if they stood in one place too long (usually building their big stupid elaborate base)
1412935;1456114299;mircea_popescu;butthurt ensues ?
1412936;1456114307;danielpbarron;got to the point i built a tracker so big i could scan the whole map using binary substitution, and just collected and sold coordinates to other people
1412937;1456114315;mircea_popescu;lol
1412938;1456114318;phf;the one on second ave has pretty good food, but it's really just one guy cooking it. this wallstreetspa place seems like they might have a cook
1412939;1456114488;JuliaTourianski_;mircea_popescu what do u think of physicals
1412940;1456114495;mircea_popescu;what are those ?
1412941;1456114520;JuliaTourianski_;physical bitcoin
1412942;1456114537;mircea_popescu;i never cared, myself. nubbins` is the resident expert really.
1412943;1456114608;JuliaTourianski_;http://www.maxfield.me/blog/
1412944;1456114610;assbot;Blog «  Photography, Illustration & Creative Retouching – Portfolio of Maxfield Mellenbruch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLP2LN )
1412945;1456114745;mircea_popescu;lol i didn't know you were an artist.
1412946;1456114768;mircea_popescu;!rated JuliaTourianski_
1412947;1456114768;assbot;You rated user JuliaTourianski_ on 22-Sep-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga..
1412948;1456114783;mircea_popescu;ha. voice yourself wouldja.
1412949;1456114824;danielpbarron;the thing with "load your own key" physicals is it defeats at least some of the purpose
1412950;1456114855;ben_vulpes;(hi trinque!)
1412951;1456114857;danielpbarron;although i'm with nubbins` on the whole gpg chain of ownership method
1412952;1456114915;danielpbarron;bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it
1412953;1456114941;asciilifeform;to the extent 'physical coin' is a mechanism for storing actual coin, vs mere decoration, it is a Bad Idea.
1412954;1456114957;mircea_popescu;seems to me rather obvious these are intended as decorative accessories.
1412955;1456114967;mircea_popescu;i can see what the girls are trying to do. it's nb.
1412956;1456114975;phf;seems like it would appeal to the same "commemorative" crowd as in fiat
1412957;1456115002;mircea_popescu;phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
1412958;1456115032;ben_vulpes;v. cool, phf.
1412959;1456115049;ben_vulpes;(swank, that is)
1412960;1456115055;ben_vulpes;(swanky, one might say)
1412961;1456115128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut
1412962;1456115139;mircea_popescu;better questions!
1412963;1456115153;asciilifeform;what they are
1412964;1456115159;asciilifeform;.
1412965;1456115165;mircea_popescu;lol ?
1412966;1456115200;asciilifeform;'veblen good' ?
1412967;1456115403;mircea_popescu;not exactly\
1412968;1456115415;mircea_popescu;let's go at it this way : ever seen how much bums value cell phones ?
1412969;1456115505;asciilifeform;have seen the abstract fact of bum with phone, yes
1412970;1456115673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00057405 = 17.652 BTC [+]
1412971;1456115788;punkman;danielpbarron: bitcoin can never exist strictly as a physical token; there needs to be some sort of bank-like entity to put a name on it << the keys are always stored on physical tokens. unless you have a brainwallet (and the mind-reading machine has not been invented yet).
1412972;1456115867;ben_vulpes;this is an implementation detail, punkman
1412973;1456115883;danielpbarron;yeah but you don't usually pass around private keys like bank notes
1412974;1456115957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the value of the phone for the bum is unrelated to its utility.
1412975;1456115980;mircea_popescu;for one thing - who the fuck is he going to call ? for the other - how is he going to even get it to work ? for yet another, it matters not so much if the thing even works in the first place.
1412976;1456115984;mircea_popescu;now - why is this ?
1412977;1456115984;asciilifeform;i can see it.
1412978;1456116005;danielpbarron;it sorta works with cacasius coins -- the ones that ~he~ loaded. But if each identical looking token is supposed to be loaded by a different entity, there can be no illusion of fungibility between them
1412979;1456116099;mircea_popescu;note that i picked the bum specifically. for derps in "secure neighbourhoods", showing off to the neighbour is arguably a +ev move. who knows, maybe neighbour's daughter comes to do your house work in the nude or something. as faint as it may be - you're not going to get in fucking trouble for being an asshole. not so for bum. for bum, veblen goods are suicide goods.
1412980;1456116115;mircea_popescu;so then what gives ?
1412981;1456116283;asciilifeform;he puts on the play for himself?
1412982;1456116306;asciilifeform;'i'm still someone'
1412983;1456116307;mircea_popescu;look at "european cars", they've been selling the same damned thing for 30 years now. you ever watch one of their ads ?
1412984;1456116319;mircea_popescu;there's a naked woman in a fur and a shot of some shiny cogs working together.
1412985;1456116328;mircea_popescu;that's all it's been throughout.
1412986;1456116349;mircea_popescu;and they're not pitching to people who could buy the damned cars, but to twentysomething derps in college.
1412987;1456116370;mircea_popescu;fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.
1412988;1456116385;asciilifeform;so that they buy as soon as they are credit-enabled?
1412989;1456116393;mircea_popescu;and this is EXACTLY what elegance is. no fucking farmer in the midwest, building an empire and about to kick the fuherer's teeth in can POSSIBLY be elegant.
1412990;1456116409;mircea_popescu;elegance is specifically the scent of early putrefaction.
1412991;1456116432;mircea_popescu;hence new york was elegant in 1920, by the time it was just starting to no longer matter,
1412992;1456116442;mircea_popescu;not in 1820 when it was kicking pensylvania's teeth in.
1412993;1456116475;mircea_popescu;look at the item in question, it's faintly cog-like, and mysteriously made of parts bla bla. same exact play, for same exact reason.
1412994;1456116499;mircea_popescu;all they need is some sluts in furs smoking out of hookas or some shit.
1412995;1456116661;mircea_popescu;!up JuliaTourianski_
1412996;1456116665;mircea_popescu;didja pm it !up ?
1412997;1456116713;JuliaTourianski_;for elegance to exist it needs elegant people
1412998;1456116741;mircea_popescu;what's that, women that never queef and dudes that don't go bald ?
1412999;1456116786;phf;andy warhol's gay entourage
1413000;1456116804;JuliaTourianski_;regarding the kialaras... they're pretty pieces of art (which by wilde's definition is valuable in it of itself) plus they have the btc behind them, so they're an investment.
1413001;1456116833;mircea_popescu;see ? she gets it.
1413002;1456116843;mircea_popescu;they're valuable in themselves plus they make a good investment. furs ftw.
1413003;1456116866;mircea_popescu;anyone seen Les Veinards btw ?
1413004;1456116879;JuliaTourianski_;wats that
1413005;1456116914;mircea_popescu;splendid bit in there, right in the final sketch, de funes is this breton dude.  "ils m'ont liquide!"
1413006;1456117148;JuliaTourianski_;im writing a post called "It's not that there's no jobs, it's that your standards are too high. "
1413007;1456117173;punkman;I like the Kialara coins, certainly different than all the other crap coins. but why would I buy one signed by Ricky Allman or JuliaTourianski? did you do the art on the back side?
1413008;1456117193;JuliaTourianski_;yes
1413009;1456117206;JuliaTourianski_;the paintings within are by us
1413010;1456117217;phf;(ben_vulpes asciilifeform http://glyf.org/tmp/shiva-swank-op.png only works for own defined functions though, neither builtins nor ffi stuff seems to have enough meta)
1413011;1456117218;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWa6ya )
1413012;1456117232;punkman;ah, maybe tell the guy to put a note in the ads, I was confused
1413013;1456117305;JuliaTourianski_;what were u looking at exactly
1413014;1456117344;punkman;JuliaTourianski_: just the maxfield.me/blog/ link
1413015;1456117386;JuliaTourianski_;hmm maybe it could say "art by Ricky Allman" etc
1413016;1456117548;JuliaTourianski_;they're great gifts
1413017;1456117585;JuliaTourianski_;better details here: https://imgur.com/a/RILhF
1413018;1456117585;assbot;Kialara Signature Series ~ Bitcoin Wallet - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUd3dE )
1413019;1456117587;ben_vulpes;and JuliaTourianski_ a great salesbabe
1413020;1456117609;JuliaTourianski_;and im not even wearing spandex
1413021;1456117678;ben_vulpes;salesbabes don't wear spandex, boothbabes do.
1413022;1456117786;mircea_popescu;lol
1413023;1456117814;mircea_popescu;o, did you do the http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ thing ?
1413024;1456117815;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )
1413025;1456117874;phf;also great investment for those shtf preppers
1413026;1456117879;punkman;http://juliatourianski.com/?p=126 these are fun
1413027;1456117880;assbot;Forest | Julia Tourianksi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWaIUi )
1413028;1456117960;JuliaTourianski_;only .1 btc? jewy.
1413029;1456117977;mircea_popescu;lol it's not prostitution, it's artistry!
1413030;1456117981;JuliaTourianski_;thanks +punkman
1413031;1456117988;mircea_popescu;as per wilde!
1413032;1456117993;phf;very билибин
1413033;1456118006;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off. laters all.
1413034;1456118034;JuliaTourianski_;yeah, definitely an ode to him and also Bauer
1413035;1456118207;phf;perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
1413036;1456129337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00057414 = 13.1478 BTC [+] {2} 
1413037;1456136657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36336 @ 0.00057358 = 20.8416 BTC [-]
1413038;1456138609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00057421 = 16.4511 BTC [+]
1413039;1456139474;mircea_popescu;https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << anyone fuckin looked at o'donell's glibc patch ?
1413040;1456139475;assbot;Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )
1413041;1456139497;mircea_popescu;in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
1413042;1456141975;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413041   <<< heh congrats BingoBoingo
1413043;1456141975;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 11:11:37; mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra is on the first google page for the thing o.O
1413044;1456142015;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1413045;1456142249;shinohai;Buenas Dias, here's some Yanet Garcia to fuel your Lunes: https://i.imgur.com/za6FrOO.webm
1413046;1456142251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TzYp1h )
1413047;1456142803;mircea_popescu;in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns. nevertheless it's
1413048;1456142803;mircea_popescu; baked in everywhere, to the level of fucking glibc (what fucking business does glibc have with offering a spurious aliasing service for ips AT ALL ?! that shit belongs three levels below glibc!)
1413049;1456142819;mircea_popescu;very instructive example in how anglotardism works, imo.
1413050;1456142844;mircea_popescu;the world, if you had the misfortune of being spawned by a dumbass with a drunkard, mostly consists of things "you couldn't possibily want", let alone need.
1413051;1456145745;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413035 << sounds right
1413052;1456145745;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 05:16:47; phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
1413053;1456145841;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413047 << we had this very thread a year ago, when first encountered the libnss claptrap
1413054;1456145841;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 12:06:43; mircea_popescu: in other lolz, the interwebs offers exactly 0 information on how to turn dns lookups off, or itable it away, or ufw/csf/etc it shut, or any of that. because apparently this is not something one could want to do. it will break your internet! why ? dns is about as useful as painted wings on a cow, there's exactly nothing internet-wise that needs (or for that matter even significantly benefits from) dns
1413055;1456145857;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm writing it up.
1413056;1456145864;mircea_popescu;this time it's consumer-y enough.
1413057;1456145868;asciilifeform;neato
1413058;1456146068;mircea_popescu;large article, but imo worth it.
1413059;1456146417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00057358 = 11.4716 BTC [-]
1413060;1456148095;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046028 << oldie, goes well with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2016#1411186 megathread
1413061;1456148095;assbot;Logged on 08-03-2015 18:38:19; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism
1413062;1456148095;assbot;Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
1413063;1456148796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97191 @ 0.00057425 = 55.8119 BTC [+] {2} 
1413064;1456149772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66700 @ 0.00057456 = 38.3232 BTC [+] {3} 
1413065;1456150025;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ?
1413066;1456150931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117700 @ 0.00057126 = 67.2373 BTC [-] {3} 
1413067;1456154021;deedbot-;[Trilema] Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations - http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/
1413068;1456155033;shinohai;!s http://jcarlosnorte.com/security/2016/02/21/date-leak-gzip-tor.html
1413069;1456155034;assbot;HTTP GZIP Compression remote date and time leak ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDlBPC )
1413070;1456155034;assbot;0 results for 'http://jcarlosnorte.com/security/2016/02/21/date-leak-gzip-tor.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fjcarlosnorte.com%2Fsecurity%2F2016%2F02%2F21%2Fdate-leak-gzip-tor.html
1413071;1456155284;mircea_popescu;awww.
1413072;1456156622;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogji3nSvPjg
1413073;1456156623;assbot;This is the future - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDnHz4 )
1413074;1456156786;mircea_popescu;she looks pretty sad.
1413075;1456157790;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo do you happen to know offhand where on qntra is the affidavit of random usg derp that claims ross ulbricht was found through whatever experts sex change website ? << not offhand, can dig prolly december 2014
1413076;1456157959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#comment-116612
1413077;1456157960;assbot;Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oDpHYg )
1413078;1456158063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2013#338384
1413079;1456158063;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2013 19:43:20; taub: Ulbricht posted on Stack Overflow using his real name, asking .How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in php?.. One minute later he changed his username to .frosty., but a subpoena shows the original name.
1413080;1456158947;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i kinda wrote around it. but it turns out it was one gary alford
1413081;1456158963;BingoBoingo;ah
1413082;1456159032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see answer.
1413083;1456159150;asciilifeform;see answer2
1413084;1456159477;mircea_popescu;idem.
1413085;1456159660;mircea_popescu;and to assuage any fears for the pr0n, http://40.media.tumblr.com/741391ebf0c2b9fd420dfe99031e3753/tumblr_mthsgb1EVZ1qlne6uo1_12080.jpg
1413086;1456159661;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1mT4gQW )
1413087;1456159668;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/741391ebf0c2b9fd420dfe99031e3753/tumblr_mthsgb1EVZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg  even
1413088;1456159669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mT4h7C )
1413089;1456161577;asciilifeform;'Maintainer promised 72 virgins if he made a release. Maintainer was not told that they were all Richard Branson clones. Maintainer is pretty cheesed off about that.' << http://www.floodgap.com/retrotech/xa lulz
1413090;1456161580;assbot;xa (xa65): a portable 6502 cross assembler package ... ( http://bit.ly/219VzEP )
1413091;1456161784;BingoBoingo;lol
1413092;1456161911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 56 @ 0.15107971 = 8.4605 BTC [+]
1413093;1456161968;deedbot-;[Qntra] Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/
1413094;1456162201;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46908
1413095;1456162202;assbot;Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/219Xn0H )
1413096;1456162359;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46909
1413097;1456162360;assbot;Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiD74O )
1413098;1456162746;asciilifeform;http://news.softpedia.com/news/experiment-gets-encryption-key-from-computer-in-another-room-through-the-wall-500701.shtml << for some reason i thought the very same paper by the very same people came out last year ???
1413099;1456162781;mircea_popescu;lol nb
1413100;1456162782;asciilifeform;or hm, the last one was on ground leakage
1413101;1456162789;asciilifeform;but otherwise same setup
1413102;1456162843;mircea_popescu;in better news,  http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb0c4ead0bc8e5474d4d8dad86ea142/tumblr_mtdnhntymp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1413103;1456162844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiEn80 )
1413104;1456162952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it references cve 2015 7511, so it would be the one last year
1413105;1456163004;asciilifeform;looks like different paper. this time with honest antenna and no electrical connection to the victim
1413106;1456163034;asciilifeform;a proper reenactment of the scene depicted in 'cryptonomicon'
1413107;1456163048;mircea_popescu;apparently it's reported feb 12th reported as fixed 17th
1413108;1456163055;asciilifeform;fixed?!
1413109;1456163143;mircea_popescu;apparently it was a leak of the ecdh keys, and there's an update libgrcyprt
1413110;1456163187;mircea_popescu;ie they forgot to mention it works specifically on ec crypto. but anyway.
1413111;1456163188;asciilifeform;there is no ~fix~ for radiating the bits. other than... not to.
1413112;1456163215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no rule that you have to leak useful bits.
1413113;1456163249;asciilifeform;it is possible to calculate in such a way that the same bits are radiated regardless of inputs. but NOT on x86.
1413114;1456163289;mircea_popescu;mitre, amusingly, doesn't properly list it.
1413115;1456163290;*;BingoBoingo relishes that moment seeing a headline with "CryptoFascist" and having no idea which way the story under it is going to go when read.
1413116;1456163342;mircea_popescu;neway, therein lies the fix : https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2016q1/000384.html
1413117;1456163343;assbot;[Announce] Libgcrypt 1.6.5 with security fix released ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiFwMQ )
1413118;1456163351;asciilifeform;phun phakt, mitre is one of the largest usg 'think tank' setups.
1413119;1456163380;mircea_popescu;very specifically ecdsa problem with weierstrass curves.
1413120;1456163405;mircea_popescu;but hey, why say this. why say dns is bs. why say any of the things that actually matter, when instead could just discuss convenient generalities.
1413121;1456163417;asciilifeform;where is the paper on what the ~fixed~ ver radiates ?
1413122;1456163424;asciilifeform;and where is the patch for gpg 1.4 ?
1413123;1456163426;jurov;mircea_popescu: mpex withdrawal pls
1413124;1456163427;mircea_popescu;"security hole found in gpg" vs "security hole found in ecdsa - rsa not affected, you should have not switched"
1413125;1456163437;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc their last paper concerned rsa
1413126;1456163441;asciilifeform;it radiates just the same.
1413127;1456163441;mircea_popescu;jurov on it.
1413128;1456163464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there was iirc a flaw with chinese remainders, that was introduced much like the dns hole, for no reason, and then burned.
1413129;1456163533;asciilifeform;l0l there are window washers dangling outside my office
1413130;1456163540;asciilifeform;and i'm not sure i wouldn't trade places with them.
1413131;1456163619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33563 @ 0.00056927 = 19.1064 BTC [-]
1413132;1456163625;BingoBoingo;;;google site:qntra.net chinese remainder
1413133;1456163626;gribble;Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through ...: 
1413134;1456163659;mircea_popescu;aha.
1413135;1456165693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170513 @ 0.00057448 = 97.9563 BTC [+] {4} 
1413136;1456165754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90937 @ 0.00057596 = 52.3761 BTC [+]
1413137;1456167527;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0279d6b242bbf03963306d28eecc107f/tumblr_mjie69W4CR1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1413138;1456167527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu3gur )
1413139;1456169540;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46911
1413140;1456169541;assbot;Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSYdq7 )
1413141;1456171610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00056927 = 19.469 BTC [-]
1413142;1456172290;mircea_popescu;commented.
1413143;1456172447;*;BingoBoingo seriously wonders what universe ever particular break in various derp services matters
1413144;1456172471;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1413145;1456174112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56851 @ 0.00056927 = 32.3636 BTC [-]
1413146;1456175497;mircea_popescu;and in out there news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/b2428a12541602e3059789fbf4d042d5/tumblr_o204u8okbr1qas1eao1_1280.jpg
1413147;1456175498;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6Aeld )
1413148;1456175569;BingoBoingo;White socialists have been trying to Uncle Tom southern blacks since the 1870's
1413149;1456175627;mircea_popescu;aha.
1413150;1456175676;BingoBoingo;Long history of this shit.
1413151;1456175784;*;BingoBoingo once took graduate classes where this was presented as some sort of "organic" phenomenon in black America even though the white evangalists of socialism (many of whom were influenced by the St Louis Hegelians) were prominently mentioned by the black authors in their literature.
1413152;1456176051;deedbot-;[Qntra] Emergency Physicians Fail Matt DeHart - http://qntra.net/2016/02/emergency-physicians-fail-matt-dehart/
1413153;1456176125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65832 @ 0.00056927 = 37.4762 BTC [-]
1413154;1456176188;mircea_popescu;that's pretty crazy.
1413155;1456176230;BingoBoingo;Seriously, but torts in TMSR are possibru in the future
1413156;1456176321;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mod6 there it is, cheers!
1413157;1456176321;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1413158;1456176356;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sharp piece on dns. looking forward to this being 'news' in 2019.
1413159;1456176386;mircea_popescu;at the earliest.
1413160;1456176944;PeterL;regarding removing dns, is there a replacement mechanism for resolving hosts not on your short list?
1413161;1456176991;BingoBoingo;archive.is
1413162;1456177040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16791 @ 0.00056518 = 9.4899 BTC [-]
1413163;1456177049;PeterL;what I mean is if you want to add a host to your list, where do you get the ip?
1413164;1456177101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28509 @ 0.00057598 = 16.4206 BTC [+] {2} 
1413165;1456177114;mircea_popescu;PeterL you can put any website that checks dns on your short list if you wish
1413166;1456177187;mircea_popescu;like say intodns.com
1413167;1456177589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.15107971 = 6.0432 BTC [+]
1413168;1456177766;trinque;PeterL: dig @8.8.8.8 arsebook.com
1413169;1456177782;trinque;or whichever DNS server
1413170;1456177804;mircea_popescu;trinque you didn;t read teh trilema didja :D
1413171;1456177870;trinque;at that moment trinque was enlightened
1413172;1456177874;trinque;lol
1413173;1456177912;mircea_popescu;hehe
1413174;1456179567;deedbot-;[Qntra] British Pound Falling - http://qntra.net/2016/02/british-pound-falling/
1413175;1456179866;*;asciilifeform fully expects to get deharted at some point in the none too distant future.
1413176;1456180075;BingoBoingo;!Up mixdio
1413177;1456180084;pete_dushenski;assbot: show the courtz your enumerated goodness and that it doesn't include kiddy pr0n.
1413178;1456180144;pete_dushenski;and start a 'safe the alf' bitcoin fund for your defense. you'll be fine.
1413179;1456180163;asciilifeform;for my tombstone.
1413180;1456180176;pete_dushenski;mausoleum
1413181;1456180203;asciilifeform;l0lsoleum
1413182;1456180213;pete_dushenski;depends if alphago wins, i guess
1413183;1456180223;jurov;have epitaph ready?
1413184;1456180234;jurov;my guess is "At last."
1413185;1456180245;pete_dushenski;"told you!"
1413186;1456180257;asciilifeform;!s nine edge first
1413187;1456180258;assbot;1 results for 'nine edge first' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nine+edge+first
1413188;1456180280;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1049444 << related.
1413189;1456180280;assbot;Logged on 12-03-2015 01:41:14; asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
1413190;1456180290;mircea_popescu;At Last Lifeform
1413191;1456180310;asciilifeform;deadform.
1413192;1456180697;asciilifeform;as i said many time, i think,
1413193;1456180712;asciilifeform;i won't believe that i was at all effective against usg until i am being sawed apart in a cellar.
1413194;1456180802;asciilifeform;i am only still walking because not worth the whatever 50k or what it costs to have a man deharted
1413195;1456180823;asciilifeform;or 100k to have him hastingsed, etc.
1413196;1456180887;pete_dushenski;what 50-100k. it costs 50x that much to spec a space pen.
1413197;1456180935;pete_dushenski;how could dehart be less than 20 mn ? maybe 50 ?
1413198;1456180949;asciilifeform;possibly... 0
1413199;1456180951;pete_dushenski;think of the overhead
1413200;1456180963;asciilifeform;no, recall http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299189
1413201;1456180963;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 01:03:43; mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
1413202;1456180969;asciilifeform;^ mega-thread on subj
1413203;1456180984;asciilifeform;the infrastructure to 'rid me please of this insolent priest' is there.
1413204;1456180991;asciilifeform;and has to be exercised once in a spell.
1413205;1456180992;pete_dushenski;how many lazy retards to you have to employ with 'fairness policies' to capture a couple strong retards capable of torturing usg enemies
1413206;1456181004;asciilifeform;none, this all works for the other usg.
1413207;1456181021;asciilifeform;the one that isn't 'affirmative action compliant'
1413208;1456181045;mircea_popescu;lol.
1413209;1456181060;asciilifeform;as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~
1413210;1456181085;asciilifeform;no need for specially trained staff of mengeles.
1413211;1456181111;asciilifeform;any hospital will do, just walk a man in who is pre-prepped with $pill to mimic, e.g., schizo
1413212;1456181126;asciilifeform;and the local white coats, aided by american pharma, will do the rest.
1413213;1456181145;asciilifeform;usg's been working on this since 1940s.
1413214;1456181176;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> as for deharting, it isn't altogether different from what american medics do to folks ~anyway~ << word.
1413215;1456181193;mircea_popescu;the error there is to assume this was in any sense deliberate. was not, sop. except nobody cares what hitler does to anon derps.
1413216;1456181236;asciilifeform;what, after getting cp'd, he shat himself naturally ?
1413217;1456181247;asciilifeform;not impossible, but also no reason why they'd stop at cping
1413218;1456181360;asciilifeform;see, american псикушка is high-tech, spiffy, compared to old sov
1413219;1456181375;asciilifeform;here, they ~actually~ take care to drive the victim mad.
1413220;1456181398;asciilifeform;*психушка fuck this keyboard
1413221;1456182324;asciilifeform;soo there was https://sites.google.com/site/ledblockcipher/home-1
1413222;1456182325;assbot;The LED Block Cipher ... ( http://bit.ly/1L78Oij )
1413223;1456182342;asciilifeform;and i read 'security' and find,
1413224;1456182343;asciilifeform;'The LED lightweight block cipher provide strong security arguments against all state-of-the-art attacks, even in the related-key model. In particular against differential and linear cryptanalysis: one can easily show that any 4-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 25 active Sboxes (i.e. Sboxes with a non-zero difference) in the single-key model. Even in t
1413225;1456182350;asciilifeform;he more pessimistic related-key model, one can show that any 16-round differential path for any of the LED versions will contain at least 50 active Sboxes.'
1413226;1456182353;asciilifeform;bbbbut
1413227;1456182353;asciilifeform;where is the mention of, e.g., np hardness ??
1413228;1456182356;asciilifeform;nowhere.
1413229;1456182365;mircea_popescu;what is this nonsense.
1413230;1456182369;mircea_popescu;one can show there's shoeboxes ?
1413231;1456182374;asciilifeform;entomological sample, mircea_popescu .
1413232;1456182387;asciilifeform;put with the other cockroaches.
1413233;1456182394;asciilifeform;down in the cabinet on the left.
1413234;1456182405;mircea_popescu;aok
1413235;1456182421;*;asciilifeform did a backbreaking literature survey, searching for signs of intelligent life, found...
1413236;1456182425;asciilifeform;none
1413237;1456182428;mircea_popescu;i can show there's shoeboxes in the cryptologically hard cabinet under the drawer with bras and shit
1413238;1456182770;asciilifeform;largely unrelated but very spiffy,
1413239;1456182771;asciilifeform;http://www.linurs.org/mc14500.html
1413240;1456182772;assbot;MC14500 1 bit CPU (ICU) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7a0Cj )
1413241;1456182779;asciilifeform;^ not a misprint
1413242;1456182912;asciilifeform;http://www.ganssle.com/articles/quirkychips.html << more re: same.
1413243;1456182913;assbot;Quirky Chips ... ( http://bit.ly/1QurdSa )
1413244;1456182931;asciilifeform;'it didn't have a program counter. Designers were expected to create one external to the CPU. It's width was, well, anything the developer wanted. Running a tiny bit of code? Maybe an 8 bit PC was appropriate. Or 32 bits for those applications needing 4 GN (giga-nibbles) of powerhouse processing.'
1413245;1456182946;asciilifeform;'So the inevitable question is "how did a jump work?" That was entirely up to the engineer crafting the circuits. The OEN instruction could be used to disable any changes occurring on the output data; at the end of a loop assert OEN and let the machine execute whatever instructions - hopefully NOPs - remained until the PC rolled over. There was a JMP, but that instruction simply toggled an ou
1413246;1456182952;asciilifeform;tput bit. The design engineer was supposed to make that signal do something useful, like load the PC with some address.'
1413247;1456183005;asciilifeform;there are not so many original things in the field.
1413248;1456183009;asciilifeform;this, i dare say, was one.
1413249;1456183023;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412957 << my reading of porsche for the 60s generation was a certain professional young man's (or well-heeled dilettante's) europhilic desire for post-war rennsport purity. the 90s/00s generation came to fetishise this, detaching it from reality, and in the process adding dildos of every unspeakable sort to the ak that was. in this sense, casascius coins are a necessary
1413250;1456183024;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 04:23:22; mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
1413251;1456183024;pete_dushenski;traction for those more interested in what their peers ~think~ they do than what they actually do.
1413252;1456183032;asciilifeform;i reinvented a gnarly variant of this as a student.
1413253;1456183035;asciilifeform;(bit-serial cpu)
1413254;1456183128;asciilifeform;http://tinymicros.com/mediawiki/images/e/ec/MC14500B_Handbook.pdf << re: above, scan of the b00k
1413255;1456183137;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what's the big deal about being original ? that's not the talk to someone visiting a hotel. 'this living out of a suitcase thing is really most splendid, why doesn't everyone do this?'
1413256;1456183138;asciilifeform;^ not mine, rather the earlier linked
1413257;1456183148;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: there is idiot-original and there is original.
1413258;1456183162;asciilifeform;the pattern in which a dog vomit lands is not the same as a theorem.
1413259;1456183288;asciilifeform;bit-serial cpu is meaningfully and interestingly unlike anything that came before (or, afaik, after.)
1413260;1456183297;asciilifeform;and is potentially a foundation for sane computing.
1413261;1456183309;asciilifeform;(esp. in... trit-serial variant.)
1413262;1456183325;asciilifeform;very amenable to exotic logical elements (e.g., optical, or spin)
1413263;1456183384;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: for at least the next decade, i'll have to take your word on this
1413264;1456183401;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1412987 << o.O
1413265;1456183401;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 04:46:10; mircea_popescu: fact of the matter is, when it comes to technology we're all bums. nobody can make a fucking car he'd want to drive.
1413266;1456183407;pete_dushenski;!s morgan 3-wheeler
1413267;1456183408;assbot;2 results for 'morgan 3-wheeler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=morgan+3-wheeler
1413268;1456183444;*;pete_dushenski hasn't tried to make personally, admittedly 
1413269;1456183471;asciilifeform;i can't even picture such a thing
1413270;1456183475;asciilifeform;as a car that i'd want to drive.
1413271;1456183483;asciilifeform;it is like 'stake i want to sit on'
1413272;1456183488;asciilifeform;how about none.
1413273;1456183514;pete_dushenski;now you're confusing 'commute i'd want to drive' with 'car i'd want to drive'
1413274;1456183530;pete_dushenski;these are not the same thing
1413275;1456183553;asciilifeform;if not for commute, why would i drive ?
1413276;1456183565;pete_dushenski;there is no such thing as a pleasant commute. it's for slaves and sucks commensurately. as it should.
1413277;1456183583;asciilifeform;aha
1413278;1456183601;asciilifeform;but why would a free man, other than perhaps one who enjoys the racetrack, drive ?
1413279;1456183603;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: drive to travel (ie. road trip), drive for sport (ie. track)
1413280;1456183607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu for instance, doesn't
1413281;1456183638;asciilifeform;the best car is a dirigible.
1413282;1456183645;kakobrekla;care to elaborate to us noobs how is 'bitserial' better than 'multibit'?
1413283;1456183683;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you can pick your word width !
1413284;1456183703;asciilifeform;5 if you like. 17. 65537.
1413285;1456183706;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: say you want to pop up to montreal for the week, so you rent something fast, enjoy yourself with pet. road trip chats are quite unlike anything else.
1413286;1456183725;asciilifeform;airplane. cabs.
1413287;1456183749;pete_dushenski;airplanes come with tsa. cabs come with stinky arabs.
1413288;1456183767;pete_dushenski;neither is any sort of freedom.
1413289;1456183894;pete_dushenski;and wtf a 10 hour cab ride would cost a grand+. each way. you can fly to amsterdam for that. or rent porsche from rental company for drive.
1413290;1456183913;asciilifeform;wai why would i ten hour cab.
1413291;1456183918;asciilifeform;that is what airplane is for ?
1413292;1456183943;pete_dushenski;this is fantasy trip to montreal, recall. you said cab man, not me.
1413293;1456183962;asciilifeform;and what to do with porsche ? it goes at same speed as toyota in traffic.
1413294;1456183969;asciilifeform;take it to the desert ?
1413295;1456183987;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i meant, airplane to it, and the cab inside.
1413296;1456184025;pete_dushenski;well, don't drive in traffic. take scenic route. that's the whole point of car. the scenery. as well as the ability to stop here for lunch and there for coffee and over there for an ice cream, etc.
1413297;1456184054;pete_dushenski;too aristocratic for you ? not 'efficient' enough ?
1413298;1456184068;pete_dushenski;then take plane. no one will stop you.
1413299;1456184140;pete_dushenski;and if you're going to take car to desert, make sure it's the utah salt flats https://talesfromthebatcoupedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/img_0573.jpg
1413300;1456184141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7dm8h )
1413301;1456184240;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: nothing aristocratic about driving own machine imho
1413302;1456184278;asciilifeform;but i have nfi, i'm not an aristocrat
1413303;1456184399;pete_dushenski;there's everything aristocratic about owning the means of production and transportation. why do you think 'car sharing' and 'sharing economy' are so in vogue with the impoverished masters degree set ?
1413304;1456184428;pete_dushenski;hell, even owning your own hdd/sdd is becoming a Big Deal.
1413305;1456184601;asciilifeform;eh its just elementary chumpatronics.
1413306;1456184612;asciilifeform;imbeciles conned into pseudo-'cheaper'
1413307;1456184623;asciilifeform;it is not because anyone literally cannot afford hdd
1413308;1456184642;asciilifeform;and pretty much anyone in usa can afford an old car (they start at a few hundy)
1413309;1456184658;jurov;so where's the difference?
1413310;1456184681;asciilifeform;between what?
1413311;1456184718;jurov;are you sayind driving own car and driving own hdd is different or it is not or?
1413312;1456184733;asciilifeform;not really similar other than in cost
1413313;1456184757;jurov;and how so?
1413314;1456184773;asciilifeform;driving yourself, on public streets, is still rather like 'cloud storage'
1413315;1456184790;asciilifeform;the equivalent of 'your own hdd' transportation-wise would be, perhaps, a chopper.
1413316;1456184828;jurov;you're seeing it with completely different angle
1413317;1456184918;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: that's an apt analogy in that both car and hdd are superficially affordable, but not practically. old car costs hundreds if not thousands in unexpected maintenance EVERY YEAR. hdd costs time, space, troubleshooting, etcetc. a car you own outright (ie. no debt payments), like a desktop you own outright (ie. no winbloze avec nsa) are exceedingly high-end appointments. neither is 'accessible' in any way.
1413318;1456185010;asciilifeform;i dun see it re: the desktop.
1413319;1456185015;asciilifeform;it costs precious little.
1413320;1456185026;asciilifeform;(unless you're a jungle man in which case it costs infinity.)
1413321;1456185029;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1413322;1456185285;pete_dushenski;if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.
1413323;1456186032;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
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1413325;1456186120;mircea_popescu;in other aristocratit news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/18454d5c897e2a6b1577e6a12fb3ff84/tumblr_msnpp8XWZE1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1413326;1456186122;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2BCvs )
1413327;1456186298;shinohai;dat ass
1413328;1456186810;mircea_popescu;and in random lolz, http://40.media.tumblr.com/80423faa520b0d991f20f4d1cb27c85a/tumblr_nynpobUaCU1sxjutro9_1280.jpg
1413329;1456186811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WEUT3O )
1413330;1456186953;pete_dushenski;wonder what they actually got
1413331;1456187063;shinohai;Well he obviously got cucked! xD
1413332;1456187087;pete_dushenski;or a legal slave ;)
1413333;1456187249;shinohai;lol
1413334;1456188568;pete_dushenski;good evening sir mod6
1413335;1456188581;mod6;Hi pete_dushenski
1413336;1456188596;mod6;Saw your later tell, thanks.
1413337;1456188628;mod6;asciilifeform: that 1 bit chip was interesting
1413338;1456188719;mod6;how's everyone doing tonight?
1413339;1456188742;pete_dushenski;wondering where the day went :)
1413340;1456188759;mod6;me too, busy as f.  but im out of the woods on this work thing i think.
1413341;1456189005;mod6;its so boring
1413342;1456189035;mod6;i was lookin at tinyscheme stuff.  trying to wrap my mind around stuff.
1413343;1456189087;mod6;like there's this thing called 'guile' that'll let you issue system commands and such...
1413344;1456189105;mod6;i think im like, getting lost in all the different dialects of lisp.
1413345;1456189174;pete_dushenski;lol
1413346;1456189182;pete_dushenski;ima bbl
1413347;1456189249;mod6;i was trying to do (system "ls") or whatever with tinyscheme, but i must be doin something wrong
1413348;1456189322;mod6;i guess it just says "unbound variable: system" but it seems to be in the docs under extentions. *shrug*
1413349;1456189325;mod6;more reading i guess.
1413350;1456189370;asciilifeform;mod6: 'guile' is another scheme interpreter.
1413351;1456189402;asciilifeform;mod6: there is no 'system' in our tinyscheme.
1413352;1456189420;asciilifeform;(can add it, or anything, for that matter, if we need to)
1413353;1456189598;mod6;ah, werd. ok.
1413354;1456189603;mod6;(quit) works lol
1413355;1456189631;mod6;once i do some more reading im going to attempt to read a file.
1413356;1456190185;asciilifeform;neato mod6. what are you studying from ?
1413357;1456190226;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413322 << l0l pete_dushenski, 100k usd is real money where you live ?
1413358;1456190226;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 23:54:45; pete_dushenski: if you're not making $100k++ per annum and cannot afford extra rooms in house or apartment to enjoy as 'office', then yes, a jungle man is you. in which case, you're using a phablet primarily and a dusty laptop on rare occasions when you need to print a document. the only exception being, perhaps, g4amerz.
1413359;1456190324;asciilifeform;a number of folks don't seem to grasp that financial and cultural poverty are quite separate things. visit usa, the land of countless millionaires who have never opened a book, and hobos with half a ph.d. in mathematics.
1413360;1456190440;mod6;asciilifeform: sicp
1413361;1456190447;mod6;and the tinyscheme docs
1413362;1456190481;asciilifeform;http://www.scheme.com/tspl4 << another pretty good source.
1413363;1456190482;assbot;The Scheme Programming Language, 4th Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7qt9t )
1413364;1456190496;mod6;seems like we'll have to write a lot of our own procedure libs.  which is maybe a good thing i guess.
1413365;1456190497;asciilifeform;(available in dead tree, but link has plain text.)
1413366;1456190506;mod6;ah, thanks sir.
1413367;1456190519;asciilifeform;mod6: aha. (though with a small modification, ts will run 'slib', a well-known library)
1413368;1456190541;asciilifeform;but scheme is quite a pleasant language to bootstrap from the ground.
1413369;1456190765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87590 @ 0.00057231 = 50.1286 BTC [-]
1413370;1456191549;kakobrekla;2016 fashion ; http://ru.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-NEW-AV-4-Camel-Toe-Realistic-Fake-Vigina-Underwear-Artificial-vagina-Male-Masturbator/1932348346.html
1413371;1456191550;assbot;[ Av 4 ] Camel палец на ноге реалистичные поддельные Vigina нижнее белье искусственный влагалище вилочная часть Masturbator купить на AliExpress ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTQ4BM )
1413372;1456191826;BingoBoingo;My the things that get engineered these days.
1413373;1456191837;BingoBoingo;In other news people are catching on https://archive.is/KoUdl
1413374;1456191838;assbot;A Few Thoughts On Longform, Inspired By The Current Debate Over Its Significance And Necessity In Our Fast-Changing Media Landscape - The Awl ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTQCre )
1413375;1456192139;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what even is this
1413376;1456192148;asciilifeform;inverted 'strap-on' ?!
1413377;1456192194;kakobrekla;camel toe for everyone!
1413378;1456192221;kakobrekla;supposed to be a fashion thing.
1413379;1456192285;mod6;haha
1413380;1456192779;mircea_popescu;not to be bested by kako, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a97590604ed5c32535b01684ab531cf5/tumblr_nsamq0Z0721uc64sgo7_1280.jpg
1413381;1456192780;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTSwIv )
1413382;1456192851;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what the fuck is that retarded nonsense.
1413383;1456192920;mircea_popescu;the collected "profession" of "journalist" can't if working together think a thousand words ahead.
1413384;1456192940;mircea_popescu;their opinion on stuff like trilema is about as welcome as the housewife's thoughts on stage makeup.
1413385;1456193454;mod6;my eyes
1413386;1456193819;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's their reaction to some derpy sports story about career of guy who sportsballed and then became a rape-cop who is now in prison. Derps published the story now other derps are trying to indict the entire concept of long form over the story.
1413387;1456193938;mircea_popescu;myeah
1413388;1456195544;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413362 << sooo apparently this edition is EVIL
1413389;1456195544;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 01:21:21; asciilifeform: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4 << another pretty good source.
1413390;1456195565;asciilifeform;i strongly disrecommend it.
1413391;1456195578;mod6;whats the deal in there?
1413392;1456195592;asciilifeform;r6rs heresies (motherfucking square brackets!)
1413393;1456195604;mod6;ah
1413394;1456195607;asciilifeform;straight to the stove with it.
1413395;1456195627;BingoBoingo;r5rs 4lyf
1413396;1456195636;asciilifeform;^
1413397;1456195641;mod6;oh like "(let ([if #f])"
1413398;1456195646;asciilifeform;aha.
1413399;1456195661;asciilifeform;the sheer rot.
1413400;1456195670;mod6;thanks for mentioning
1413401;1456195696;BingoBoingo;My reading of the history is r6rs was a coup attempt to turn scheme into a sort of python or perl with too much built in shit
1413402;1456195701;asciilifeform;just remember boyzngurls, syntactic sugar leads to cancer of the semicolon!
1413403;1456197224;ben_vulpes;cancer of the semilollin
1413404;1456198958;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/hr5Nupf.png << vintage
1413405;1456198959;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20ROvaA )
1413406;1456201934;BingoBoingo;Financial aid with MAXIMUM GPA criteria, welcome to Obama's reddimurica https://archive.is/1OnHd
1413407;1456201936;assbot;Spread of emergency aid and microgrants show strong results ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q7sTlg )
1413408;1456203033;phf;mod6: you can also just read r5rs directly http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/ftpdir/scheme-reports/r5rs.ps
1413409;1456203087;mod6;thanks phf
1413410;1456203098;phf;it's basically a self contained, and very readable spec of the language
1413411;1456203188;phf;sicp is more of a "all you need to know about computation as a thing" book, rather then specifically a way to learn scheme. i know very few people who actually got through it on their own
1413412;1456203384;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b81
1413413;1456203426;mod6;yeah, i've figured that from what i've seen thus far in sicp.  which is alright.
1413414;1456203434;mod6;some good examples of stuff in there.
1413415;1456203442;mod6;i'll check out the ps tho
1413416;1456205155;phf;random lulz, sussman signed scheme-81 chip, sold as art. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/gerald-sussman-scheme i think it was listted at $1500, but i can't quite recall. i assume buyer would not try putting it on a breadboard..
1413417;1456205158;assbot;Gerald Sussman | Scheme (1978-1981) | Artsy ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG2n5U )
1413418;1456205220;phf;"This lot includes two Scheme-81 computer chips, signed by Gerald Sussman. This lot also includes a commemorative 3D-printed Babylonian styled tablet containing the password to a private Github repository where the buyer may access an image of the Scheme-81 chips."
1413419;1456205301;BingoBoingo;is image suitable for lithography?
1413420;1456205971;phf;probably going to dust in some weirdo's private collection, aka indian jones archives
1413421;1456206126;ben_vulpes;> password
1413422;1456206130;ben_vulpes;> github
1413423;1456206131;ben_vulpes;wut
1413424;1456206174;phf;ben_vulpes: posted to observe minor twitch that this is going to produce in some people here :)
1413425;1456206190;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413357 << cdn ain't what she used to be. btc is like 600 bones atm… not that that's the point, on which i agree with you that culture != $$$$ (as per http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/14/terrible-nasty-unfair-evil-no-good-money-and-its-relation-to-net-worth/). that being said, i see even fewer cultured fellows with lower net worths than with higher net worths and
1413426;1456206190;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 01:17:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413322 << l0l pete_dushenski, 100k usd is real money where you live ?
1413427;1456206192;assbot;Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG41Er )
1413428;1456206192;pete_dushenski;i don't for a second think it's just correlation. wealth can't guarantee anything any more than obama - but can wealth, unlike obama, provide opportunities ? i'm inclined to say so. ergo wealthy man can at least materially afford personal car-computer, whether or not he can intellectually afford it is borne by whether or not he actually does.
1413429;1456206218;pete_dushenski;assbot u so crazy
1413430;1456206277;pete_dushenski;in related news, http://imgur.com/gallery/GWJgpAu
1413431;1456206277;assbot;SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!! - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG4dUe )
1413432;1456206298;phf;ben_vulpes: what about 3d printed Babylonian tablets!
1413433;1456206354;ben_vulpes;i
1413434;1456206358;ben_vulpes;i think
1413435;1456206388;ben_vulpes;i can't
1413436;1456206428;ben_vulpes;what confluence of events put scheme-81 chips in the hands of people who 3d print passwords to github repos in sumerian tablet reproduction style
1413437;1456206430;ben_vulpes;oh
1413438;1456206432;ben_vulpes;babylonian
1413439;1456206434;ben_vulpes;scuse me
1413440;1456206446;ben_vulpes;no bully phf
1413441;1456206448;ben_vulpes;plz
1413442;1456206450;ben_vulpes;no bully
1413443;1456206465;phf;troll proof doors
1413444;1456206490;ben_vulpes;atlantean troll proof doors for my safe space
1413445;1456206912;phf;sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program
1413446;1456206913;assbot;The Snowtide Blog  » Blog Archive   » Why MIT now uses python instead of scheme for its undergraduate CS program ... ( http://bit.ly/1oyChao )
1413447;1456206948;phf;"The fundamental difference is that programming today is all about doing science on the parts you have to work with.  That means looking at reams and reams of man pages and determining that POSIX does this thing, but Windows does this other thing, and patching together the disparate parts to make a usable whole.
1413448;1456206974;phf;(not a quote, but i was there, and that's the gist of it. many face palms in the audience)
1413449;1456206992;ben_vulpes;this one's in the log somewhere
1413450;1456206999;phf;ahah
1413451;1456207031;ben_vulpes;i b'leev asciilifeform even pegged it as a cowardly apology to der fuhrer
1413452;1456207049;phf;"when did they get to him!"
1413453;1456207136;phf;i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
1413454;1456207203;pete_dushenski;lol
1413455;1456207888;mats;http://sana.sy/en/?p=70302
1413456;1456207889;assbot;Putin: We agreed with Obama on a statement in the framework of Syria Support Group to stop military operations in Syria – Syrian Arab News Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/1oyD4Iw )
1413457;1456207918;mats;>the agreement doesn’t include terrorists of the Islamic State (ISIS) or Jabhat al-Nusra.
1413458;1456208025;pete_dushenski;so what's it include ? each other's non-existent foot soldiers ?
1413459;1456208092;mats;well, yes
1413460;1456208158;pete_dushenski;makes sense
1413461;1456208181;mats;gotta crush the upstarts making fools of obama
1413462;1456208215;mats;whaddya mean usg funded AQI affiliates to fight bashar, etc
1413463;1456208275;pete_dushenski;this is not unlike google and apple calling a truce but google continuing to feed patents to samsung with which to continue suing apple
1413464;1456208299;pete_dushenski;!v !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
1413465;1456208299;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
1413466;1456208303;pete_dushenski;!v !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
1413467;1456208303;assbot;Invalid verfication string.
1413468;1456208330;mats;lol
1413469;1456208330;pete_dushenski;wtfuckme
1413470;1456208344;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.assbot.10:56b27a69c18dfcea127cebbea4d632dd4e0c2f8202a2c0875b9914364959df91
1413471;1456208345;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 10 for assbot with note: primus inter pares
1413472;1456208374;pete_dushenski;well that was flailtastic
1413473;1456208538;pete_dushenski;in other news, apparently $20k baby wraps are a thing.
1413474;1456208544;pete_dushenski;talk about veblen goods
1413475;1456209348;pete_dushenski;http://www.mine-control.com/zack/guttenberg/ << go go gadget gibbon
1413476;1456209350;assbot;Project Guttenberg Vocabulary Analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1oyEfrx )
1413477;1456210932;BingoBoingo;Markets work https://i.imgur.com/EwDljF3.jpg
1413478;1456210933;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oyFDdv )
1413479;1456216659;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/473jr2/despite_massive_changes_in_hashrate_antpool_and/
1413480;1456216660;assbot;Despite massive changes in hashrate antpool and f2pool never vary more than 2-3% distribution from each other is this just a polite fiction were are supposed to accept? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rk3Jm2 )
1413481;1456216754;punkman;https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/i-m-a-former-green-beret-here-s-how-i-would-bring-down-bitcoin-1456165726
1413482;1456216755;assbot;I’m a Former Green Beret and Here’s How I Would Bring Down Bitcoin | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rk3R4S )
1413483;1456216776;mircea_popescu;lmao what the fuck is this "green beret" bullshit.
1413484;1456216836;mircea_popescu;look here : "DeathFromAbove writes to DPR, "It's not that easy [AA]. I'm legit. Green Beret. Friend of [C.G.]. I have access to TS/SCI files that FBI, DEA, AFP, SOCA would kill for. In fact, that is what I do ... kill. The only thing that I do . . . Don't worry DoD has no interest in you and your little website. North Korea and Iran are a lot more important. In fact, as far as the Army and Navy are concerned you are a
1413485;1456216836;mircea_popescu;nobody. Petty drug dealer. But, [C.G.] was somebody. "
1413486;1456216888;mircea_popescu;context for the innocent : the carl force iv derp writes from one of the numerous troll accounts on sr to ulbricht derp. it's not clear whether he's doing this thinly veiled attempt at psychology on behalf of his employer or as an independent contractor working a little moonlight, but
1413487;1456216925;mircea_popescu;"c.g." is a random derp of no consequence that got nicked and passed his account over to the baltimore establishment of unintentional humour maintained on public funds.
1413488;1456216984;mircea_popescu;and, to best establish the fame as well as the intellectual wherewithal of the famous "grab me and my bag" force - here's the cannonical example : \
1413489;1456216991;mircea_popescu;02/10/2013 - FORCE attempts to create an account with Bitstamp using identification documents in the name of his DEA-issued undercover identity (Nob). Bitstamp's verification process rejected these documents as not genuine. FORCE there after provided Bitstamp with his own personal identification documents.
1413490;1456217007;mircea_popescu;so now - i ask again. what THE FUCK is it with "green berets" and these assonauts.
1413491;1456217148;punkman;maybe it's a "polite fiction"
1413492;1456217175;mircea_popescu;or maybe it's the 2010s equivalent of that epic 2000s kid with the "oh i gotta go to iraq brb" chatlog.
1413493;1456217294;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413402 << do we care to be explicit for the logs ?
1413494;1456217294;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 02:48:21; asciilifeform: just remember boyzngurls, syntactic sugar leads to cancer of the semicolon!
1413495;1456217475;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413406 << basically us "college" chumpatron still experimenting with "what's the lowest qty of candy bar we give the cattle to keep getting the sweet sweet usg funds for them. like, out of the 100k per capita we get in fed funny money, what's the least we could dole out to the maggots in whose name the whole scheme is run ? maybe -100`000 in paper and $500 in chips ? for
1413496;1456217475;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 04:32:14; BingoBoingo: Financial aid with MAXIMUM GPA criteria, welcome to Obama's reddimurica https://archive.is/1OnHd
1413497;1456217475;mircea_popescu;a sweet sweet 199`500 total loot we can then use to build stadiums "worth" 50 trillion and that could be exchanged for "all of russia" if only we could find someone who isn't part of our circlejerk (thus has something of value whatsoever) and still credits our inane bullshit (like maybe some argentines running away with the money they stole while in government there or something)"
1413498;1456217559;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/moGfFrD.png
1413499;1456217560;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rk4Ge3 )
1413500;1456217719;mircea_popescu;but bonus points for georgia naming it's nigger rape schedule the "panther retention grant". truly a case of http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html
1413501;1456217721;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% ... ( http://bit.ly/1WnMJ3X )
1413502;1456217727;mircea_popescu;"Marching gets our message out."  No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out.  "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet."   Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
1413503;1456217830;mircea_popescu;note the very epic "200k worth of fed paper is worth $500 in candybar, on a systematic scale".
1413504;1456217864;mircea_popescu;rather optimistic, a deleverage factor of 1000:1 seems lowball. but then you have to account for the general ghetto dweller's disinclination to put up with "school" as an adult.
1413505;1456217904;mircea_popescu;punkman you know, the "you are destroy me" greek angerspeech is actually quite amusingly on point :D
1413506;1456217911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16590 @ 0.00057414 = 9.525 BTC [+]
1413507;1456218001;mircea_popescu;"You are destroy me! You kill me and is personal and ALL YOU FAULT you are monster and give reparations for monster acts of past and you are RUIN ME FOREVER AND IS ALL YOU!" ftr. sez angry greekflag ball to derpy german flag ball. epic.
1413508;1456218085;mircea_popescu;lol why the fuck is something vaguely looking like one of those world soccer cup vanity flags they use for some reason on top of the bitcoin ?
1413509;1456218198;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413416 << and why not ? i've put sluts on a breadboard that i had originally purchased as art ?
1413510;1456218198;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:25:55; phf: random lulz, sussman signed scheme-81 chip, sold as art. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/gerald-sussman-scheme i think it was listted at $1500, but i can't quite recall. i assume buyer would not try putting it on a breadboard..
1413511;1456218330;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413436 << my bet would be "a woman".
1413512;1456218330;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:47:08; ben_vulpes: what confluence of events put scheme-81 chips in the hands of people who 3d print passwords to github repos in sumerian tablet reproduction style
1413513;1456218347;mircea_popescu;truly the one... confluence, let's say, of events, let's call them.
1413514;1456218450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413445 <<< well, "defended the decision". said to an audience of derps "you are too stupid to have cool things, orcs. stick with the clubs you know." and they nodded because a) who the fuck knows what weirdo foreigner is saying and b) what difference does it make to orc anyway ? no indoor voice to begin with, what ability to modulate behaviour by sounds ? that comes after.
1413515;1456218450;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:55:12; phf: sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program
1413516;1456218551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413452 << when they stopped making sluts that go on breadboards, they "got to him". what's to get. suppose you marry a woman on the criteria of she's fucking hot, and she keeps making you children and they all have the iq of an argentine. how long do you keep up the charade of "this here is a house of intellectual ppls" ?
1413517;1456218551;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:57:29; phf: "when did they get to him!"
1413518;1456218596;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413453 << howling shit we exactly agree. i suppose this is good for the cult...
1413519;1456218596;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:58:56; phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
1413520;1456218758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413455 << i guess now we find out what control each side has on "their" nominal proxies. my guess would be that the us has ~complete control over the mostly imaginary steiners angriff, whereas the russian side has ~no control over the still sitting syrian president.
1413521;1456218758;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 06:11:28; mats: http://sana.sy/en/?p=70302
1413522;1456218789;mircea_popescu;agreement to posture in the un resulting in a quick dispatch of the "rebels" on the ground, expect to see them hanging / supported by visceral poles by next thurs.
1413523;1456218845;mircea_popescu;yet another nominal us "ally" to meet a gruesome fate in the field when the posturing six year old for some reason dressed as a very tall nigger gets called to supper.
1413524;1456219070;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413461 << yeah, putin just made obama петух and that's ok because nobody knows what the crudely drawn chickens are supposed to stand for anyway.
1413525;1456219070;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 06:16:21; mats: gotta crush the upstarts making fools of obama
1413526;1456219105;mircea_popescu;i suppose in memory of the event Bahamas' full name should be expanded to Mssr Bahamas Pedale or something.
1413527;1456219472;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent log readers : what happened in syria was that obama went in pretending he is the head of a powerful nation ; putin went in as the actual head of a powerful nation. when the difference between these turned out to be an actual thing in the field, obama whipped out the checkbook, started offering bribes to the locals to hold up signs and shit reading "obama is a real stud". those guys took the money and
1413528;1456219472;mircea_popescu;bought guns, eventually becoming such a problem obama had to pay a visit to putin's residence dressed in nothing but his chastity device and do a spot of work or two, in exchange for putin agreeing to take care of the problem. something like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413380 with the colors reversed, if you need visual aids, or else something like ross ulbricht "ordering clean hits" if your memory
1413529;1456219472;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 01:59:39; mircea_popescu: not to be bested by kako, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a97590604ed5c32535b01684ab531cf5/tumblr_nsamq0Z0721uc64sgo7_1280.jpg
1413530;1456219473;mircea_popescu;of that lolpile is still fresh.)
1413531;1456219866;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo did my qntra submission get lost in the logs? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2016#1411917
1413532;1456219866;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 09:51:57; adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo /me accidentally a word http://dpaste.com/3WX0P03.txt
1413533;1456219866;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1413534;1456220059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413475 << well since the "too many unknown words" is a frequent redditard complaint @trilema, i'ma now going to have it wordcounted. i always thought i'm using a very constrained set, myself.
1413535;1456220059;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 06:35:48; pete_dushenski: http://www.mine-control.com/zack/guttenberg/ << go go gadget gibbon
1413536;1456222734;mircea_popescu;meh, this turns out to be a fucking huge job on account of the insane variation. but the cheap result would be that between http://trilema.com/2012/me-they-say/ and http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/ so about 40 months or so, http://trilema.com/words_2302.txt
1413537;1456222735;assbot;Me, they say... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QviLCf )
1413538;1456222735;assbot;Fun with pairs of girls on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QviKy1 )
1413539;1456222737;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QviLCk )
1413540;1456222819;mircea_popescu;which is ~50k different phonemes, the vast majority of which are bona fide words but filtering any further exceeds my patience (and if you're curious why it stops there - once the fetlife lists hit, there's a pile of crapolade in the form of usernames that are difficult to distinguish etc). i'm happy with the estimation that "50k or maybe a little more". which would mean that... whoa!
1413541;1456222839;mircea_popescu;turns out i'm actually a top spot contender ? gibbon clocks 43k ? ooook.
1413542;1456222946;mircea_popescu;ima go have pie and meditate on the implications of this.
1413543;1456224194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00057231 = 6.8391 BTC [-]
1413544;1456225868;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413419 << not only the masks, but the scheme (!) proggy that generated (!) them, are public, for decades, in the original paper, in fact.
1413545;1456225868;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:28:21; BingoBoingo: is image suitable for lithography?
1413546;1456225879;asciilifeform;read it.
1413547;1456225987;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413437 << the first run of scheme81, as often is the case, were duds.
1413548;1456225987;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:47:10; ben_vulpes: oh
1413549;1456226015;asciilifeform;poor old man must've found a few in his desk drawers, wanted to cash in...
1413550;1456226515;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413541 << l0l, recall also the typically atrocious ocr on gutenberg.
1413551;1456226515;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 10:20:39; mircea_popescu: turns out i'm actually a top spot contender ? gibbon clocks 43k ? ooook.
1413552;1456226534;asciilifeform;creates nyoo wurdz, it does..
1413553;1456226598;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413449 << it is.
1413554;1456226598;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 05:56:32; ben_vulpes: this one's in the log somewhere
1413555;1456226607;asciilifeform;!s sussman
1413556;1456226608;assbot;36 results for 'sussman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sussman
1413557;1456226656;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846759
1413558;1456226656;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2014 03:19:43; asciilifeform: sussman, surrendering to decay:
1413559;1456226824;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413479 << miner pools are a plague, nyooz at 11
1413560;1456226824;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 08:37:39; punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/473jr2/despite_massive_changes_in_hashrate_antpool_and/
1413561;1456226841;asciilifeform;and miners, more generally - vermin.
1413562;1456226861;asciilifeform;!s mining is a bug
1413563;1456226861;assbot;5 results for 'mining is a bug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mining+is+a+bug
1413564;1456226912;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413493 << we had a r6rs thread
1413565;1456226912;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 08:48:14; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413402 << do we care to be explicit for the logs ?
1413566;1456226926;asciilifeform;!s r6rs
1413567;1456226926;assbot;2 results for 'r6rs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=r6rs
1413568;1456227024;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413516 << it is elementarily unlikely that he has working units to sell. see thread.
1413569;1456227024;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 09:09:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413452 << when they stopped making sluts that go on breadboards, they "got to him". what's to get. suppose you marry a woman on the criteria of she's fucking hot, and she keeps making you children and they all have the iq of an argentine. how long do you keep up the charade of "this here is a house of intellectual ppls" ?
1413570;1456227036;asciilifeform;but i will point out, again,
1413571;1456227078;asciilifeform;scheme81 , ~unlike~, e.g., the symbolics processors, is ~published~
1413572;1456227136;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu wanted to, could have it fabbed in two weeks without any design work.
1413573;1456227145;*;asciilifeform bbl
1413574;1456228100;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> creates nyoo wurdz, it does.. << im too lazy too look if the guy published the wordlist anywhere and check
1413575;1456229013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33525 @ 0.00057164 = 19.1642 BTC [-] {3} 
1413576;1456229989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46327 @ 0.00056889 = 26.355 BTC [-] {2} 
1413577;1456230843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9005 @ 0.00056375 = 5.0766 BTC [-]
1413578;1456233354;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5V8geUsAEr2lP.jpg:large
1413579;1456233354;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwIqj5 )
1413580;1456234068;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUuWywlCAAEBbiG.jpg:large
1413581;1456234068;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXXdyH )
1413582;1456236905;jurov;!ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central
1413583;1456236905;assbot;Some are born to endless night.
1413584;1456236908;jurov;;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central
1413585;1456236910;gribble;Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 380.1, Best ask: 382.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 381.0, 24 hour volume: 64.96945757, 24 hour low: 379.4, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 385.15243695
1413586;1456236958;jurov;interesting, as if 400 eur was psychological threshold
1413587;1456237759;mircea_popescu;wait wait, it went up that much ?
1413588;1456237764;mircea_popescu;;;ticker --currency usd
1413589;1456237765;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.99, Best ask: 425.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 425.0, 24 hour volume: 28054.37486685, 24 hour low: 416.24, 24 hour high: 442.67, 24 hour vwap: None
1413590;1456237773;mircea_popescu;wow the euro's weak.
1413591;1456241721;deedbot-;[Trilema] The pop of the day and other items of virtual economy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-pop-of-the-day-and-other-items-of-virtual-economy/
1413592;1456245847;danielpbarron;http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/29968/1/blind-fingering-dates-are-london-s-latest-craze >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris.
1413593;1456245847;assbot;Blind ‘fingering’ dates are London’s latest craze | Dazed ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsElGb )
1413594;1456246246;BingoBoingo;;;later tell adlai not really news at this time
1413595;1456246247;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1413596;1456248893;punkman;http://blog.acolyer.org/2016/02/22/includeos/
1413597;1456248894;assbot;IncludeOS: A minimal, resource efficient unikernel for cloud systems | the morning paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEvJwn )
1413598;1456249209;asciilifeform;'A fully virtualized “Hello World” service in IncludeOS (which of course includes the necessary components of the OS) uses only 8.45MB of memory. A Ubuntu 14.04 OS image (the default guest OS for OpenStack) is around 300MB by comparison.' << idiocy. i had linux kernel AND trb in < 5 MB.
1413599;1456249257;asciilifeform;(with compression- less...)
1413600;1456249330;asciilifeform;'For the C standard library, IncludeOS uses RedHat’s standard library implementation due to its small size, ' << i refuse to read any more of this crapolade.
1413601;1456249894;punkman;indeed
1413602;1456250290;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/23/biological-man-set-to-become-national-student-womens-representative/
1413603;1456250291;assbot;Biological Man Set To Become National Union Of Students' Women’s Representative - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/21cZ11x )
1413604;1456250591;punkman;lol
1413605;1456250851;BingoBoingo;Now this is pure distilled pete_dushenski https://archive.is/5xB1g
1413606;1456250852;assbot;penny the talking car ... ( http://bit.ly/21d1Csc )
1413607;1456251118;shinohai;Good God what is that thing, a ghettomobile?
1413608;1456251239;BingoBoingo;Well you can see the thumb that snuck into a picture there was clearly white.
1413609;1456251270;BingoBoingo;Also it is advertised as being in the north (polish) as opposed to south (Obama) side of Chicago
1413610;1456251298;BingoBoingo;But at one point it was clearly one of these http://www.allpar.com/eek/k/limo.html
1413611;1456251300;assbot;The K-car Limousine and Executive ... ( http://bit.ly/21d3Zve )
1413612;1456251396;punkman;https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/02/23/release-0.12.0/
1413613;1456251397;assbot;Bitcoin Core 0.12.0 Released! – Bitcoin Core ... ( http://bit.ly/21d4pBH )
1413614;1456251639;trinque;>automatic usage of tor when it's running
1413615;1456251681;trinque;hey kid, you wanna buy some marijuanas on the Dark Web?
1413616;1456252112;danielpbarron;they claim to use their own replacement of openssl in this version; for some reason i thought they had already done that
1413617;1456252217;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: They previously used their thing for signing. Now signing + verification.
1413618;1456252260;BingoBoingo;It also still calls openssl if it is called to do anything that involves making https connections (liek rpc)
1413619;1456252425;BingoBoingo;!up donpillou
1413620;1456253056;BingoBoingo;!up wouldibeascammer
1413621;1456253062;BingoBoingo;hello
1413622;1456253096;wouldibeascammer;so, I have a dilemna
1413623;1456253099;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb5j8KlWEAAEhh2.jpg:large for BB
1413624;1456253099;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ozzaPD )
1413625;1456253124;wouldibeascammer;let's say a service credits too much on my account
1413626;1456253134;wouldibeascammer;if I profit from that, am I a scammer?
1413627;1456253143;fluffypony;no, you're a profiteer
1413628;1456253296;BingoBoingo;punkman: lol
1413629;1456253312;kakobrekla;this happened to me on bitstamp in 2011 or 12, had a deposit processed twice. i reported it though.
1413630;1456253367;trinque;wouldibeascammer: why are you crowdsourcing how to live?
1413631;1456253372;wouldibeascammer;weirdly the wrong deposit is not the same amount
1413632;1456253373;kakobrekla;something like 100 btc worth at the time irrc
1413633;1456253375;punkman;I'd report it if I liked them, otherwise who cares, fuck em
1413634;1456253386;wouldibeascammer;punkman: I like them
1413635;1456253403;BingoBoingo;wouldibeascammer: WHy do you liek them?
1413636;1456253412;wouldibeascammer;trinque: I like trolling
1413637;1456253415;punkman;so where's the dilemma? did they give you a free mil or somehting?
1413638;1456253427;wouldibeascammer;BingoBoingo: the operator is on this channel
1413639;1456253443;BingoBoingo;wouldibeascammer: Probably best to contact them
1413640;1456253477;BingoBoingo;wouldibeascammer: When you join the channel you IP was showing
1413641;1456253501;wouldibeascammer;not my regular IP
1413642;1456253513;BingoBoingo;details
1413643;1456253545;kakobrekla;there arent that many 'operators' on this chan
1413644;1456253572;trinque;davout: ? ^
1413645;1456253594;BingoBoingo;Generally if you liek something you help it to flourish, report and just mebbe you get a bounty? Otherwise who knows wtf happens if you open the other door.
1413646;1456253655;kakobrekla;all that i got was a request for kyc/aml procedure!
1413647;1456253809;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency bgp
1413648;1456253816;gribble;An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
1413649;1456253825;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1413650;1456253832;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 296.61988, vol: 10852.34995882 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 296.070716, vol: 8038.67107 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 301.58056, vol: 58716.48510000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 298.14189, vol: 132.57348635 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 298.66428, vol: 93.6867881 | Volume-weighted last average: 300.310469178
1413651;1456253881;BingoBoingo;;;calc 300*1.4
1413652;1456253881;gribble;420
1413653;1456254132;wouldibeascammer;reported it, it's annoying to put my order in while leaving out what I don't want to use
1413654;1456254140;wouldibeascammer;fix your damn site, davout
1413655;1456254149;trinque;heh, called it
1413656;1456254808;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-02-2016#1413220 << btw, romanian for nail is cui. sounds exactly like куи. "nobody knows why". must be from cuneus/clou somethign, right.
1413657;1456254808;assbot;Logged on 22-02-2016 22:49:58; asciilifeform: *психушка fuck this keyboard
1413658;1456254825;mircea_popescu;bonus points, the beaten end's called "flower", you know, as in "deflower".
1413659;1456255184;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413605 << actually looks tres gypsy.
1413660;1456255184;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 18:07:31; BingoBoingo: Now this is pure distilled pete_dushenski https://archive.is/5xB1g
1413661;1456255207;BingoBoingo;lol maybe it also does distilled Vulpes?
1413662;1456255209;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413614 << i think we had this thread here back when they announced they wanna do it.
1413663;1456255209;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 18:20:39; trinque: >automatic usage of tor when it's running
1413664;1456255257;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413618 <<< faithful to the principle of "crap may only multiply". they STILL use bdb, even if it was "replaced" with leveldb.
1413665;1456255257;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 18:31:00; BingoBoingo: It also still calls openssl if it is called to do anything that involves making https connections (liek rpc)
1413666;1456255265;mircea_popescu;and once leveldb is "replaced", it'll still be used, also.
1413667;1456255450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413655 >> o.O i'm impressed.
1413668;1456255450;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 19:02:29; trinque: heh, called it
1413669;1456256005;kakobrekla;well, he had what like 30% chance?
1413670;1456256032;trinque;IPs are geographically allocated
1413671;1456256056;mircea_popescu;heh. i didn't bother look. still impressed :)
1413672;1456256067;*;kakobrekla doesnt see joins and parts, hence ips.
1413673;1456256633;deedbot-;[Qntra] Asus Complaint Opens Door To Torts For Internet Of Shit Insecurity - http://qntra.net/2016/02/asus-complaint-opens-door-to-torts-for-internet-of-shit-insecurity/
1413674;1456256856;BingoBoingo;^ Promising ground for a young jurist
1413675;1456257268;mircea_popescu;win.
1413676;1456257283;mircea_popescu;to borrow from alf, "countdown for that door getting welded shut in 3, 2..."
1413677;1456257961;deedbot-;[Qntra] US "National Security" Crippling Business Opportunities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-national-security-crippling-business-opportunities/
1413678;1456258049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00057265 = 14.0013 BTC [+] {2} 
1413679;1456261457;ben_vulpes;in "other things jewels ripped from the forum's wall" news, Slack will repost the relevant log link when a user pastes its url into a chat
1413680;1456261465;ben_vulpes;s/things//
1413681;1456261690;mod6;so if i wanna a bunch of scheme code in a file and then load that file into the interpreter so I have my procedures defined without having to type them all in... how do I do that?
1413682;1456261719;mod6;just put code in "foo.scheme" and then somehow load it with tinyscheme ?
1413683;1456261723;mircea_popescu;what is slack ?
1413684;1456261773;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: irc for derps
1413685;1456261793;ben_vulpes;mod6: traditionally you use emacs and C-c C-k to compile the file in
1413686;1456261797;mod6;!up thestringpuller
1413687;1456261808;thestringpuller;who is reading slack logs?
1413688;1456261810;mod6;ben_vulpes: anyway to do this without emacs?
1413689;1456261814;ben_vulpes;mod6: http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-user/Loading-Files.html
1413690;1456261815;assbot;Loading Files - MIT/GNU Scheme 9.4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WH1ISc )
1413691;1456261837;mod6;thanks ben_vulpes
1413692;1456261853;ben_vulpes;there is also load-from-path
1413693;1456261883;asciilifeform;mod6: (load "yourfile")
1413694;1456261897;phf;ben_vulpes: mit scheme is not the same as tinyscheme
1413695;1456261899;asciilifeform;or put it in init
1413696;1456261952;ben_vulpes;is this thing standardized or not?!
1413697;1456261961;*;ben_vulpes back to oar
1413698;1456261982;phf;ben_vulpes: mit scheme is non-standard
1413699;1456262010;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Gaxaro.2:355c11a85a20a6cb33c3c83ff573ce92d1bc4927c907dfc356b45ffba2d57c4f
1413700;1456262010;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for Gaxaro with note: Euloran noob; paid back a 300k loan in a timely fashion
1413701;1456262193;phf;mod6: you want to do (catch #f (load "foo.scm")), because without catch any errors in your foo.scm are going to kill tinyscheme AND terminate bitcoind without cleanup
1413702;1456262208;mod6;asciilifeform & ben_vulpes: yup that worked.
1413703;1456262213;mod6;:D
1413704;1456262231;mod6;phf: ah, ok
1413705;1456262279;mod6;i'll try that.  (im just playing with tinyscheme on its own, outside of shiva/bitcoin) -- figure its a good idea to use THIS interpreter as opposed to some other one/lisp.
1413706;1456262341;phf;mod6: catch is tinyscheme specific and is defined in init.scm, but load is in r5rs.ps ;)
1413707;1456262351;mod6;ahh, aight.
1413708;1456262365;mod6;is this normal? http://dpaste.com/20YFV0J.txt ?
1413709;1456262366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WH2LBO )
1413710;1456262367;shinohai;Congratulate me, I was nearly 90% synced on new node, had an unexpected reboot and it borked my data dir, now hafta start over :/
1413711;1456262378;danielpbarron;same here shinohai :/
1413712;1456262380;mod6;shinohai: wat?
1413713;1456262394;mod6;oh unexpected reboot 'eh
1413714;1456262404;danielpbarron;stupid me for not stopping it periodically to backup, but i wanted to see if i could get the whole thing synced in one go
1413715;1456262411;mod6;f. that blows.
1413716;1456262425;danielpbarron;what timing it happened to both of us at around the same time
1413717;1456262445;shinohai;ikr
1413718;1456262473;mod6;phf: and I meant "is # normal?"
1413719;1456262478;danielpbarron;city workers did maintenance on the whole neighborhood's power without giving me any warning
1413720;1456262499;danielpbarron;also lost a lunch out of it as it went out in the middle of my rice and chicken cooking
1413721;1456262505;shinohai;Just weird to me though, haven't had it happen before and I have accidentally restarted the lappy 1000 times and it started back perfect.
1413722;1456262527;*;shinohai sheds a tear for danielpbarron 's chicken-n-rice
1413723;1456262648;phf;mod6: i think so, as long as you're still in repl. i think that's tinyscheme's specifics (i.e. last token is # and that's what load returns, but i'm not sure)
1413724;1456262731;mod6;ah. ok.
1413725;1456262744;mod6;is there a way to see what procedures are currently loaded into the construct?
1413726;1456262755;phf;...kind of
1413727;1456262804;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413696 << ts is ~mostly~ r5rs, see docs
1413728;1456262804;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 21:12:32; ben_vulpes: is this thing standardized or not?!
1413729;1456262851;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413705 << you can actually build shiva's scheme as standalone.
1413730;1456262851;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 21:17:59; mod6: i'll try that.  (im just playing with tinyscheme on its own, outside of shiva/bitcoin) -- figure its a good idea to use THIS interpreter as opposed to some other one/lisp.
1413731;1456262867;mod6;ah ok cool thx.
1413732;1456263062;phf;mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
1413733;1456263096;phf;it's hell of slow though, because i can'e seem to find an equivalent of symbol-value
1413734;1456263339;phf;actually, that code does something very odd with environment...
1413735;1456263538;mod6;ah aight.
1413736;1456263550;phf;so at the moment, the answer is no:)
1413737;1456263562;mod6;hehehe, ok. np.
1413738;1456263919;asciilifeform;mod6: (oblist) ?
1413739;1456264117;phf;"what procedures"
1413740;1456264297;asciilifeform;he didn't say ~only~ procedures!111
1413741;1456264303;phf;:]
1413742;1456264507;mod6;thanks asciilifeform
1413743;1456265019;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2016#1401963 < apparently https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/684865884767191040
1413744;1456265019;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 13:19:33; kakobrekla: yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.
1413745;1456266360;shinohai;heh butt robots.
1413746;1456267565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40333 @ 0.00057266 = 23.0971 BTC [+]
1413747;1456267626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38360 @ 0.00057582 = 22.0885 BTC [+] {3} 
1413748;1456269496;ben_vulpes;OH WELCOME BACK ASSBOT
1413749;1456269502;ben_vulpes;PUNKMAN SENDS DINGLEBERRIES
1413750;1456269506;BingoBoingo;Now, for log committal http://qntra.net/2016/02/numerous-site-explicitly-open-to-cross-site-scripting/
1413751;1456269507;assbot;Numerous Sites Explicitly Open To Cross Site Scripting | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIo4lI )
1413752;1456269920;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/02/tor-and-http-gzip-leak-local-time-zone/#comment-46961 << damn straight a tmsr proerpty is 'worse' than reddit. meaner, leaner, nastier, and all the other libertard 'worse' boxes are rightfully ticked. just as it should be.
1413753;1456269921;assbot;Tor And HTTP Gzip Leak Local Time Zone | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtnYci )
1413754;1456269932;pete_dushenski;*property
1413755;1456270006;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413605 << lol. this is pure distilled gaddafi.
1413756;1456270006;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 18:07:31; BingoBoingo: Now this is pure distilled pete_dushenski https://archive.is/5xB1g
1413757;1456270059;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/words_2302.txt << ok that's just neat.
1413758;1456270061;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QviLCk )
1413759;1456270633;pete_dushenski;i'd be pleasantly surprised if contravex isn't even at the lower end of that largest vocab list. ~15k different words over a two year and ~450k published word lifetime ? sounds optimistic, but until mircea_popescu shares secret recipe, hard to say given that other 'solutions' seem to be nothing but paid scamware.
1413760;1456270779;mircea_popescu;wait, what solution ?
1413761;1456270792;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413526 << bahamas is more of a jogger than a cyclist iirc
1413762;1456270792;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 09:18:25; mircea_popescu: i suppose in memory of the event Bahamas' full name should be expanded to Mssr Bahamas Pedale or something.
1413763;1456270830;pete_dushenski;which actually goes some way to explain why he's so shit at backpedalling.
1413764;1456270995;pete_dushenski;"when i, professor bahamas, said that there was a red line that shall not be crossed in syria or else i'd put boots on the ground, i forgot to mention that there was an asterix associated with that statement that nullified its supposed consequence if it turned out that i wasn't a taller, darker napolean after all."
1413765;1456271379;punkman;http://cryptoexperts.github.io/million-dollar-curve/
1413766;1456271381;assbot;Million Dollar Curve ... ( http://bit.ly/1KItvB8 )
1413767;1456271486;phf;we can make it, we have the technology
1413768;1456271759;BingoBoingo;these comments http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/florida-400-pound-woman-survives-sexual-assault-by-herd-of-manatees/
1413769;1456271761;assbot;Florida: 400-Pound Woman Survives Sexual Assault by herd of Manatees  World News Daily Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1oFRLu2 )
1413770;1456271817;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413765 << ahahahahaha nsa wants to aes-ify the curves.
1413771;1456271817;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 23:49:39; punkman: http://cryptoexperts.github.io/million-dollar-curve/
1413772;1456271828;asciilifeform;(random, 'fairly selected', weak keys)
1413773;1456272131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413732 << o noes i had to draw that out on paper. why u no use more matrixen
1413774;1456272131;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 21:31:02; phf: mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
1413775;1456272194;asciilifeform;1) paste into emacs 2) indent-region 3) profit!111!!!
1413776;1456272219;mircea_popescu;lol
1413777;1456272610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0ABG496.txt
1413778;1456272611;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mW64Jd )
1413779;1456273443;shinohai;BingoBoingo: "I felt the crushing weight of one of the beasts"  <<< can u make this up?
1413780;1456273458;BingoBoingo;I dunno
1413781;1456273482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77050 @ 0.00056759 = 43.7328 BTC [-] {3} 
1413782;1456273527;shinohai;Afraid she was going to die, as if obesity and diabetes are the *least* of her worries.
1413783;1456273680;asciilifeform;punkman et al: why the FUCK is it necessary to standardize the curve at all ?????
1413784;1456273696;mircea_popescu;shinohai odds are, he did.
1413785;1456273723;asciilifeform;(if lottery-selected curve is, notionally, ok, then so is a per-key curve!)
1413786;1456273733;BingoBoingo;Honestly at this point I forget what I've written where and what I haven't
1413787;1456273764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh. stop being unpatriotic.
1413788;1456273767;asciilifeform;aaaaaaand wait for it wait for it...
1413789;1456273779;asciilifeform;wait till they get to the part with 'entropy spreading'.
1413790;1456273782;asciilifeform;because this is a thing, aha.
1413791;1456273808;mircea_popescu;the logic of whinening.
1413792;1456273816;asciilifeform;blackening.
1413793;1456273816;mircea_popescu;it's not racist, for being stupid.
1413794;1456273855;asciilifeform;these folks aren't even american.
1413795;1456273863;asciilifeform;nobody's making them do this, omfg1111.
1413796;1456273869;mircea_popescu;heh.
1413797;1456273880;mircea_popescu;the bulgarian emperor is not even byzantine!!! nobody's forcing him to be retarded!!11
1413798;1456273902;BingoBoingo;UPDATED http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/
1413799;1456273903;assbot;KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 )
1413800;1456273943;mircea_popescu;agaga classicoin
1413801;1456274035;BingoBoingo;Blocks 399753 and 399735
1413802;1456275342;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1413803;1456275346;gribble;Current Blocks: 399775 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 1408 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1413804;1456275395;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1413805;1456275395;gribble;1086039949.57
1413806;1456275715;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev
1413807;1456275716;assbot;BTC-dev New post ... ( http://bit.ly/20TVMGQ )
1413808;1456275725;jurov;punkman: ^
1413809;1456275766;jurov;but it's alpha, won't be surprised it if fails badly
1413810;1456276105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00057558 = 46.5644 BTC [+] {4} 
1413811;1456276144;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other lulz, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-24.log.html#t01:07:04
1413812;1456276145;assbot;#Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-24 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QenLiT )
1413813;1456276898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106800 @ 0.00056572 = 60.4189 BTC [-] {5} 
1413814;1456277103;asciilifeform;jurov: very spiffy
1413815;1456277110;asciilifeform;will test.
1413816;1456279094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13779 @ 0.00057328 = 7.8992 BTC [+]
1413817;1456279246;jurov;"whitening is racist!!!" lmao
1413818;1456279338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30431 @ 0.00056602 = 17.2246 BTC [-] {2} 
1413819;1456280023;phf;asciilifeform: 1) paste into emacs 2) indent-region 3) profit!111!!! << won't add newlines for you though
1413820;1456280192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36028 @ 0.00056443 = 20.3353 BTC [-]
1413821;1456280272;jurov;!up anondran
1413822;1456280282;jurov;grr
1413823;1456280362;jurov;!up anondran
1413824;1456280387;jurov;!up alphonse23_
1413825;1456280542;phf;but you can pretty print it with a real lisp
1413826;1456280554;phf;(let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))
1413827;1456280554;phf;               (*print-pprint-dispatch* (copy-pprint-dispatch))
1413828;1456280555;phf;               (*print-case* :downcase))
1413829;1456280557;phf;           (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\f (lambda (stream subchar arg) '|#f|))
1413830;1456280559;phf;           (set-pprint-dispatch '(member |#f|) (lambda (stream object)
1413831;1456280561;phf;                                                 (princ "#f" stream)))
1413832;1456280564;phf;           (pprint (read-from-string "(let ((things ()))
1413833;1456280567;phf;         (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value
1413834;1456280571;phf;         (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value))
1413835;1456280574;phf;         (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)")))
1413836;1456280741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65169 @ 0.00056443 = 36.7833 BTC [-]
1413837;1456281351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88474 @ 0.00056443 = 49.9374 BTC [-]
1413838;1456282022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63527 @ 0.00056382 = 35.8178 BTC [-] {2} 
1413839;1456283547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00057328 = 32.1037 BTC [+] {2} 
1413840;1456283922;mircea_popescu;!up changenie
1413841;1456283929;mircea_popescu;omfg assbot!
1413842;1456283974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00057444 = 8.674 BTC [+] {3} 
1413843;1456284061;mircea_popescu;!up changenie
1413844;1456285222;mircea_popescu;aaand archive.is changed ip. for shame. anyone willing to run a b-a fork of the thing ?
1413845;1456285299;mircea_popescu;https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/archive.is << half the world sees it as 46.17.100.191, the rest sees it as 37.97.156.202
1413846;1456285300;assbot;Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OtKMbT )
1413847;1456285342;mircea_popescu;neither of which happen to match the 185.92.220.64 it was answering from merely five minutes ago.
1413848;1456285478;BingoBoingo;Mebbe they just really are out to get you?
1413849;1456285488;mircea_popescu;possibru. what do you see ?
1413850;1456285499;phf;i have some lisp code to do what archive.is does from back when i was reading everything from kindle, but it'll take a few weeks for me to get it into a running service state..
1413851;1456285508;danielpbarron;i also noticed their ip was weird after i pasted your /etc/hosts list into my own and it stopped working the other day
1413852;1456285513;mircea_popescu;phf i am pretty sure the code's published
1413853;1456285537;phf;oh then it's for somebody else to fuck around with
1413854;1456285550;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron was it earlier ? i actually just loaded a page, worked fine, minutes later bupkiss
1413855;1456285581;BingoBoingo;46.17.100.191
1413856;1456285590;danielpbarron;the main page would load, but when i tried to archive something that's where it would go to a new ip
1413857;1456285592;mircea_popescu;us & china version
1413858;1456285636;phf;person:         Shevchenko Andrey address:        Tussen de Bogen 6, 1013 JB Amsterdam, The Netherlands , hehe just the kind of person to run a service like that..
1413859;1456285647;mircea_popescu;in other lulz,  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbJP4xmW8AAs91O.jpg
1413860;1456285648;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0fVKQ )
1413861;1456285660;mircea_popescu;phf oh, you know him ?
1413862;1456285796;phf;no, i know a few russian living in netherlands, and they all fall under kind of a similar stereotype
1413863;1456285802;mircea_popescu;ah
1413864;1456285865;mircea_popescu;in other news, either the code vanished or i;m just delusional, but can't seem to locate it
1413865;1456285908;mircea_popescu;anyway, this would be very good synnergy with deedbot, because not only can pages be saved, but sha512sums of the pages can be deeded.
1413866;1456285963;mircea_popescu;now i gotta fish out the guy's email and perhaps see if he'd be willing to share ?
1413867;1456285987;phf;i think ben_vulpes has been working on his own take on the service? i remember there was some noise last time question came up. anyone attempting will fast realize that it's a pita.
1413868;1456286014;mircea_popescu;"The archive runs Apache Hadoop and Apache Accumulo. All data is stored on HDFS" what's the esteemed peerage think ? should be rewritten ? worth reusing ?
1413869;1456286027;mircea_popescu;it is undeniably a pita.
1413870;1456286056;mircea_popescu;however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance.
1413871;1456286128;phf;above is entirely java stack, and the quoted parts only talk about storage aspect. (accumulo is layer on top of hadoop's hdfs)
1413872;1456286134;mircea_popescu;aha.
1413873;1456286161;phf;http://blog.archive.is/post/47337613342/is-it-possible-to-get-the-source-code-of-this
1413874;1456286162;assbot;Archive.is blog — Is it possible to get the source code of this... ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gnZN )
1413875;1456286215;phf;"can't have our thing, but here's a link to a chrome extension that does nothing like what we do. run along now"
1413876;1456286227;mircea_popescu;2013 tho
1413877;1456286241;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/V8WMer.jpg
1413878;1456286242;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gvbH )
1413879;1456286285;mircea_popescu;phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that.
1413880;1456286326;mircea_popescu;also comes with built-in revenue model, "be in the L or else pay this much dust".
1413881;1456286343;phf;we can add archive/logs/patches to a single lisp project, call it assetbook and we won't need any other internet anymore
1413882;1456286345;mircea_popescu;will require that ancient "assbot bitcoin wallets" thing be dusted off, but hey, unavoidable anyway
1413883;1456286377;mircea_popescu;strategically i'd rather have it a set of interoperating parts than a single monster monolith.
1413884;1456286468;mircea_popescu;!up laura_
1413885;1456286600;mircea_popescu;in other middle east news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a6235c67be129821c3a7dfef41aace0f/tumblr_nk51imqyF31s7p60po1_1280.jpg
1413886;1456286601;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0gQuU )
1413887;1456286995;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/IxnAsr.png
1413888;1456286997;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0hfgP )
1413889;1456287159;mircea_popescu;i lost interest once it went "Vagina" instead of "cunt"
1413890;1456287328;mircea_popescu;lol nb.
1413891;1456287329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00056375 = 24.8614 BTC [-] {2} 
1413892;1456287447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wasn't archive.is the fella who hosted the original unlucky dulap ?
1413893;1456287456;mircea_popescu;nope.
1413894;1456287469;asciilifeform;then why was my hostname something.archive.is .
1413895;1456287472;mircea_popescu;well i suppose technically all russians are the same dude, but even so.
1413896;1456287494;mircea_popescu;iirc we used the same dc in odessa.
1413897;1456287502;BingoBoingo;http://www.humansofstraya.com/tagged/cockblock
1413898;1456287504;assbot;Humans of Straya ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDktpG )
1413899;1456287504;asciilifeform;ah.
1413900;1456287521;mircea_popescu;and the server wasn't new, so prolly got his warm bed or something.
1413901;1456287530;asciilifeform;that would explain.
1413902;1456287547;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i read 4 words of this and barfed.
1413903;1456287554;asciilifeform;can haz the gangrene back plox.
1413904;1456287561;mircea_popescu;i think BingoBoingo might be bullying us.
1413905;1456287573;BingoBoingo;Nah, I'm bullying the FBI log readers
1413906;1456287618;mircea_popescu;but the thing IS fascinating. noticed it on okcupid back in the day, a small but present chunk of derps actually used group photos consisting of HOTTER WOMEN
1413907;1456287633;mircea_popescu;i mean, leaving aside the inanity of posing with one's mother, this may be the most insane thing ever.
1413908;1456287634;mod6;jurov: nice work!
1413909;1456287688;mod6;i'll test that out tomorrow when i get a sec.
1413910;1456287714;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, none of those 4 derps is fuckable. the tall blonde has the typical ustard chin, miserable fucking feature. the jew is short and jewish. the fat one obv and the midwestern "undiscovered beauty" is benning-level psychotic)
1413911;1456287750;asciilifeform;ftr, they all look exactly the same to me.
1413912;1456287755;asciilifeform;like the 2 camels earlier.
1413913;1456287755;mircea_popescu;fucking disjointed smile with defocused eyes omfg medicate her.
1413914;1456287777;mircea_popescu;camels were seen FROM BEHIND
1413915;1456287783;asciilifeform;they have ~literally~ the same face.
1413916;1456287791;mircea_popescu;omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
1413917;1456287794;phf;past first paragraph is bogus, fat girls don't act like that in clubs, that's just an overactive imagination. what they actually do is pick up leftovers, or particularly drunk guys who were attracted by the group. it's literally a scavenger strategy, and being obnoxious will ensure that the girl is never again invited with her hotter friends. (they want to get fucked too, jeez)
1413918;1456287795;BingoBoingo;lol
1413919;1456287797;asciilifeform;kinda.
1413920;1456287817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00056375 = 25.3406 BTC [-]
1413921;1456287871;mircea_popescu;phf actually that scavenger strategy is the larger part of why humans are still around.
1413922;1456287889;mircea_popescu;women pick up the drunks and men pick up what the lions left off, whenever they could chase the hyenas away.
1413923;1456287895;mircea_popescu;we're a scavenger species.
1413924;1456287903;mod6;qq: Can something be developed to help these guys with the corrupted databases when they get a hard-reboot?perhaps something similar to cutblock that will say lopp off the last blk####.dat file or something? is this worth looking into?
1413925;1456287924;mircea_popescu;mod6 it is, but big chunk and scheduled for after this scheme thing is better digested.
1413926;1456287931;mircea_popescu;at least in my fuzzmind.
1413927;1456287932;asciilifeform;'after the burial parties leave, and the baffled crows have fled, the wise hyenas come out at eve, to take account of our dead' (tm) (r) (kipling)
1413928;1456287946;phf;i'm not at all hating, it's more of a "a plague on both your houses" reaction
1413929;1456287961;mod6;mircea_popescu: awesome.  yeah, i agree we should do something there.  that's super annoying that it happened to these guys.
1413930;1456287974;asciilifeform;mod6: the only possible solution is a journalling fs.
1413931;1456287977;asciilifeform;bitcoinfs.
1413932;1456287988;mircea_popescu;that's not necessarily a solution.
1413933;1456287996;asciilifeform;(ideally, running on top of a raid card with battery packs, like i have here)
1413934;1456288002;mircea_popescu;for one thing, linux managed to implement journaling in such a way it barely works
1413935;1456288015;mod6;ok, so that's a possible whole replacement piece, sure.  was just thinking is it worth possibly making a temporary tool for this until bitcoinfs? or just wait and do bitcoinfs.
1413936;1456288032;mod6;food for thought perhaps.
1413937;1456288034;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's definitely possible ; ideally it'd come after a proper data model for the data.
1413938;1456288046;asciilifeform;mod6: would have to replace bdb.
1413939;1456288049;mircea_popescu;otherwise you'll end up with "need driven" data modelling, and god help you.
1413940;1456288061;mod6;aha. ok.
1413941;1456288075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bdb should be taken out ftr.
1413942;1456288081;mircea_popescu;iirc there's consensus on that matter.
1413943;1456288093;asciilifeform;there is no possible dispute that it must die.
1413944;1456288103;asciilifeform;only question is in ~what order~ the deps must go
1413945;1456288104;mod6;i'll have to go back and re-read some of our previous threads on the topics.
1413946;1456288105;BingoBoingo;Is this more to alf taste? http://www.humansofstraya.com/post/128774013198/good-morning-welcome-to-umptos-my-name-is#notes
1413947;1456288106;assbot;Humans of Straya — Good morning welcome to Umptos, my name is... ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0ikW0 )
1413948;1456288110;asciilifeform;openssl, bdb, boost ?
1413949;1456288131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope.
1413950;1456288136;asciilifeform;orc variant of same.
1413951;1456288137;mircea_popescu;heh. what a tryptich
1413952;1456288168;mod6;i learn so many good words here.
1413953;1456288175;phf;oh it's that chick that got sussman to sell his chips
1413954;1456288181;mircea_popescu;lol
1413955;1456288183;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1413956;1456288185;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1413957;1456288187;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1V56XN3.txt )
1413958;1456288231;mod6;i didn't know that's what you called those works of art.
1413959;1456288251;mircea_popescu;>D
1413960;1456288341;mod6;phf, asciilifeform: so you know whats weird?
1413961;1456288380;mod6;so in "foo.scm" i have defined a "square" procedure, but in (oblist), among everything else, its listed as: (square char-ci>=? cddddr expt)
1413962;1456288410;mod6;lol, no idea how that correlates yet, but that is indeed the actual stored defintion no?
1413963;1456288430;phf;mod6: no, i think it's a side effect of the way oblist is constructed
1413964;1456288438;mod6;oh
1413965;1456288453;phf;probably some kind of tree structure for fast lookup
1413966;1456288487;mod6;alright. i was thinking with using scheme (like I was saying lastnight), we'll have to build some pretty extensive libs of procs of our own.  which is probably better anyway... but, it'd be cool if this thing would tell you what you've already defined.
1413967;1456288494;mod6;or do we need to write a proc for that too?
1413968;1456288513;asciilifeform;the thing is quite bare bones, and will need heavy work.
1413969;1456288518;asciilifeform;and i picked this kind of scheme deliberately.
1413970;1456288530;asciilifeform;would you rather read 50,000 lines of mit crapolade ?
1413971;1456288531;phf;mod6: i have an OP for symbol-value, on top of which you can build a pretty decent "apropos"
1413972;1456288553;mod6;im actually glad for that.  and personally, I don't even want to look at any other lisp really because other lisps seem to have a bunch more built-in functions that we'll basically not use.
1413973;1456288567;asciilifeform;aha.
1413974;1456288568;mod6;phf: ah neat
1413975;1456288574;asciilifeform;the word for what we want is - orthogonality.
1413976;1456288576;mircea_popescu;ahh this insurection is coming along nicely.
1413977;1456288591;*;mircea_popescu predicts that by the time he's dead, b-a will be bigger than fucking france.
1413978;1456288615;asciilifeform;eh to be fair france is pretty small now and getting smaller
1413979;1456288626;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm a modest man.
1413980;1456288627;asciilifeform;will be pocket-sized soon
1413981;1456288666;mircea_popescu;also, what do i care of the living. will go to the great prison in the sky, all the people there'll be impressed enough. "bigger than france ?! pasol nahui!"
1413982;1456288678;asciilifeform;l0l
1413983;1456288681;mircea_popescu;hehe
1413984;1456288710;asciilifeform;put in latin letters it reads almost... aztec?!
1413985;1456288718;mircea_popescu;aha
1413986;1456288748;asciilifeform;the jaguar altar pyramid of pasol nahui.
1413987;1456288757;mircea_popescu;pretty good.
1413988;1456288757;mod6;hah.
1413989;1456288915;BingoBoingo;One last bullying before I bully Zygna http://www.humansofstraya.com/tagged/Angela-Flack
1413990;1456288916;assbot;Humans of Straya ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDmFxd )
1413991;1456288971;mod6;She asked me if "snarffed" was a technical term, now I can point at this:
1413992;1456288974;mod6;Snarf: ``To grab, especially a large document or file for the purpose of using it either with or without the owner's permission.'' Snarf down: ``To snarf, sometimes with the connotation of absorbing, processing, or understanding.'' (These definitions were snarfed from Steele et al. 1983. See also Raymond 1993.)
1413993;1456288991;mod6;win
1413994;1456289016;asciilifeform;one day i would like to learn how esr stole 'hacker's dictionary'
1413995;1456289028;mircea_popescu;get a copy, put it online.\
1413996;1456289030;mircea_popescu;what else ?
1413997;1456289039;asciilifeform;but i suspect that the story is not meaningfully different from how drepper stole libc
1413998;1456289045;mircea_popescu;quite.
1413999;1456289062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno, he became 'official' curator, and added a multitude of crackpot entries from own head
1414000;1456289066;BingoBoingo;ESR stole it by putting it on just just in time for Google to be birthed
1414001;1456289079;mircea_popescu;"official"
1414002;1456289080;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: he published it in dead tree
1414003;1456289081;mircea_popescu;getouttahere.
1414004;1456289087;asciilifeform;i have this edition here, even.
1414005;1456289090;mircea_popescu;so ?
1414006;1456289104;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is how that dude stole lisp
1414007;1456289106;asciilifeform;so not much.
1414008;1456289106;mircea_popescu;what's his face.
1414009;1456289111;mircea_popescu;"published the book first"
1414010;1456289116;mod6;I think they used to teach this SICP directly as the first programming class at UofM - used it as a weed-out course.
1414011;1456289164;mod6;friend of mine only ever talked about "cons-boxes" for about 2 months.
1414012;1456289170;mircea_popescu;lol
1414013;1456289190;asciilifeform;l0l! did they also talk for months about magnetic field lines after taking intro physics /
1414014;1456289191;asciilifeform;?
1414015;1456289203;asciilifeform;would make as much sense.
1414016;1456289247;mod6;haha. probably.
1414017;1456289278;mod6;shit that was seventeen years ago.
1414018;1456289290;mod6;ermahgerd
1414019;1456289403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00056776 = 33.8385 BTC [+] {4} 
1414020;1456289505;danielpbarron;>> I told him that a child in Africa dies every 3 seconds. He was surprised at that. He said "I know black people have rhythm, but that is some amazing timing, you guys should try out for X-Factor".
1414021;1456289505;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1414022;1456289740;danielpbarron;deedbot- feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
1414023;1456289742;assbot;Brave The World ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDnVjY )
1414024;1456289823;mod6;is that going to drop every tweet into a deed?
1414025;1456289859;danielpbarron;it's a blog
1414026;1456289865;danielpbarron;deedbot-: feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
1414027;1456289866;assbot;Brave The World ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDnVjY )
1414028;1456289866;mod6;oh nm, ya, blog.
1414029;1456289882;mod6;thought that was her twitter feed haha
1414030;1456289894;danielpbarron;hm.. idk why that won't work. that's how trinque added all the others
1414031;1456289914;mod6;maybe he whitelists 'em?
1414032;1456289987;danielpbarron;deedbot-: feeds add http://bravetheworld.com/feed/atom/
1414033;1456289988;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0k6WY )
1414034;1456290072;danielpbarron;;;later tell trinque please to add this feed ^^ I think it only works for you
1414035;1456290072;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1414036;1456290148;mod6;is there such a thing as adhd in china?  if a kid just wont do stuff or doesn't pay attention they just hit you with a stick no?
1414037;1456290188;mod6;or wherever.
1414038;1456290440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76750 @ 0.00056924 = 43.6892 BTC [+] {6} 
1414039;1456291137;BingoBoingo;mod6: Nah, Tiger mom makes sure the kid develops the asps instead
1414040;1456291152;deedbot-;[Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - http://qntra.net/2016/02/hemorrhaging-zygna-seeks-bezzle-buck-bolus-from-hq-sale/
1414041;1456291487;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron im pretty sure it only takes that command from him ; also prolly best give her some time to get better wot-integrated - the few times we let marginals in the feed it worked out poorly in the end.
1414042;1456291533;mircea_popescu;o look, sept 2015 item by... amir taaki ? srsly ?
1414043;1456291534;mircea_popescu;gimme a break.
1414044;1456292331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00057495 = 5.4528 BTC [+] {2} 
1414045;1456292478;danielpbarron;hm, ok
1414046;1456292758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30258 @ 0.00057627 = 17.4368 BTC [+]
1414047;1456294649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057581 = 7.8886 BTC [-]
1414048;1456294734;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Don’t jump (here)! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/24/dont-jump-here/
1414049;1456295625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00057627 = 6.8576 BTC [+]
1414050;1456295808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23862 @ 0.00057581 = 13.74 BTC [-]
1414051;1456296052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4387 @ 0.00056866 = 2.4947 BTC [-] {2} 
1414052;1456296427;BingoBoingo;!t m x.eur
1414053;1456296428;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00255 / 0.00260887 / 0.00263877 (793 shares, 2.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00253517 / 0.00260789 / 0.0027 (4318 shares, 11.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00277034 / 0.00332476 (10650 shares, 29.50 BTC)
1414054;1456296723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107600 @ 0.00056696 = 61.0049 BTC [-] {5} 
1414055;1456297211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00056983 = 8.4335 BTC [+]
1414056;1456298126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00056983 = 14.6446 BTC [+]
1414057;1456300566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00056983 = 4.7581 BTC [+]
1414058;1456301908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00056983 = 11.9664 BTC [+]
1414059;1456302274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00057251 = 16.0303 BTC [+] {2} 
1414060;1456302509;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb6z4oHUYAQjOgT.jpg:large
1414061;1456302510;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYGD3Z )
1414062;1456302554;punkman;god morgen
1414063;1456302640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00057634 = 11.0657 BTC [+] {3} 
1414064;1456303026;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb67R5zUUAA0Wkn.png:large
1414065;1456303027;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/24oDZfm )
1414066;1456303236;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b83
1414067;1456304009;punkman;"mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. << archive.is (as a browsing tool) seems useless without javascript, might as well render the page in lynx/dilla/modern browser with js disabled.
1414068;1456304155;punkman;the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
1414069;1456304179;punkman;and the guy doesn't seem keen to publish any of that
1414070;1456304897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00057005 = 10.4319 BTC [-] {2} 
1414071;1456304908;punkman;(sidenote for anyone looking at phantomjs: it sucks balls and uses QtWebkit, and QtWebkit is kinda deprecated because  Qt moved to QtWebEngine which uses chromium)
1414072;1456306300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41392 @ 0.00057461 = 23.7843 BTC [+] {2} 
1414073;1456306483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00057674 = 5.0753 BTC [+] {2} 
1414074;1456307642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00057675 = 15.8606 BTC [+]
1414075;1456308191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30888 @ 0.00057696 = 17.8211 BTC [+] {3} 
1414076;1456308252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00057716 = 10.0137 BTC [+]
1414077;1456308374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00057716 = 22.6535 BTC [+]
1414078;1456308688;punkman;http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/no-patent-if-invention-lies-only-in-computer-programme-says-indian-patent-office-116022200875_1.html
1414079;1456308689;assbot;No patent if invention lies only in computer program, says Indian Patent Office | Business Standard News ... ( http://bit.ly/24oJOJT )
1414080;1456308899;punkman;in other boston dynamics news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY
1414081;1456308900;assbot;Atlas, The Next Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/24oK2AA )
1414082;1456310509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00057249 = 16.0297 BTC [-] {3} 
1414083;1456312089;punkman;late delivery of BFL lulz:  "At one point, an FTC attorney carried into court a foam pitchfork that  was stamped with the phrases “Y U NO SHIP!” and “BFL is late!” The  agency said the pitchfork and similar foam torches were found at  Butterfly Labs and mocked its customers’ complaints."
1414084;1456312142;punkman;"The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including  Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services,  gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
1414085;1456312198;punkman;(from http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article2236696.html and http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article62022452.html )
1414086;1456312199;assbot;FTC moved quietly against Butterfly Labs to avoid tipping off bitcoin operation | The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1mX5N8I )
1414087;1456312199;assbot;Bitcoin business Butterfly Labs, shut down as ‘bogus,’ settles charges for $15,000 | The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1mX5N8K )
1414088;1456312268;punkman;"We went to court without notifying the other party … because we were concerned about a dissipation of assets,” said Malini Mithal, assistant director of the FTC’s division of financial practices. “We were worried about seeing corporate funds go to Nordstrom, Bed Bath & Beyond, gun stores and things like that."
1414089;1456312984;punkman;in other mining news https://www.bw.com/news/show-65
1414090;1456313375;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla could we has deeds.bitcoin-assets.com added ? assigned to deedbot.org
1414091;1456313397;*;mircea_popescu checks, the thing already exists. o ty kako for your godspeed!
1414092;1456313776;mircea_popescu;punkman well, the cool part depending for whom doing what. i have no objection, all that sugar&spice is nice to have, but i don't think it mandatory, myself. the main utility is creating a copy of a resource (as in url) that is outside of the control of its original author. i'm more than happy if that is provided in the first place and the rest of the swag on a best-effort basis.
1414093;1456313878;mircea_popescu;Malini Mithal << at first sight one thinks what the indian supreme court thinks about patents is irrelevant to the us. at second sight one tries to recall a usg lawyer that's not indian and chuckles to himself.
1414094;1456314244;punkman;https://www.bitbank.com/storage/detail/btc (from BW group)
1414095;1456314248;assbot;Bitbank-比特币理财首选 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6rfqf )
1414096;1456314390;mircea_popescu;160W/Thash ?
1414097;1456314396;mircea_popescu;;;nethash
1414098;1456314397;gribble;1068963881.57
1414099;1456314410;mircea_popescu;mwahaha
1414100;1456314421;mircea_popescu;;;calc 160 * 1068
1414101;1456314421;gribble;170880
1414102;1456314449;mircea_popescu;170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
1414103;1456314469;punkman;it's not 1068 terrahash
1414104;1456314479;mircea_popescu;wasn't it given in mh ?
1414105;1456314479;punkman;1068 petahash
1414106;1456314485;mircea_popescu;aww.
1414107;1456314539;punkman;also saw a mention of antminer at 250w for around 4 terrahash
1414108;1456314613;punkman;bitbet suggestion: 2exahash by February 2017
1414109;1456314616;mircea_popescu;warm summer.
1414110;1456314621;mircea_popescu;you can make it ya kno.
1414111;1456314636;punkman;might do
1414112;1456314653;punkman;or is 2exa too low?
1414113;1456314972;mircea_popescu;i think 1 year may be too long. maybe go by 3 months sorta thing
1414114;1456314982;mircea_popescu;or "by reward halving" or somesuch
1414115;1456315004;punkman;;;halfreward
1414116;1456315005;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 13:26:42 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1414117;1456315023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057656 = 5.4197 BTC [+] {2} 
1414118;1456315053;punkman;the halving complicates things
1414119;1456315246;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8HYYdVIAEujZ8.jpg:large
1414120;1456315246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6sVjG )
1414121;1456315338;mircea_popescu;lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
1414122;1456315345;mircea_popescu;sorta like poles in the 90s and cars.
1414123;1456316121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3409 @ 0.00056991 = 1.9428 BTC [-] {3} 
1414124;1456318026;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5684 << that's a new one.
1414125;1456318027;assbot;BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 36.26 B (51%) on Yes, 34.65 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 6 days | weight: 52`229 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmRd5m )
1414126;1456318031;mircea_popescu;really, ibm cheated with deep blue ?
1414127;1456318703;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414068 << i did warn! that the thing is a point of failure
1414128;1456318703;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 08:55:55; punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc.
1414129;1456318736;asciilifeform;author is not in wot, who knows if there are backups - and where, etc
1414130;1456318783;asciilifeform;btw if replacement includes deedbot, it cannot be publicly operable or gets ddosed and depleted.
1414131;1456318819;asciilifeform;(picture a public www that spends coin when you load it!)
1414132;1456318937;mircea_popescu;how would replacement "include deedbot" ?
1414133;1456318957;asciilifeform;this hypothetical replacement may be one of those thngs, like the tmsr warez server, that must live behind 'g' or the like.
1414134;1456318983;mircea_popescu;but what do you mean ?
1414135;1456318986;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somebody suggested earlier that it ought to deedbot cached pages
1414136;1456318990;mircea_popescu;i did.
1414137;1456318996;asciilifeform;aha!
1414138;1456319013;mircea_popescu;but mebbe you overlooked the part where to initiate a caching, one has to either be in the L or pay.
1414139;1456319032;asciilifeform;but ~how~ this works?
1414140;1456319045;mircea_popescu;by having [hopefully as an extension of assbot] a payment interface in chan.
1414141;1456319062;mircea_popescu;then whoever wants to be paid goes !bill asciilifeform 10.56546 "had a nice time last night honey"
1414142;1456319083;asciilifeform;neato, ought to work at least until the fleanodeocalypse.
1414143;1456319091;mircea_popescu;and whoever wants to pay goes !pay mircea_popescu bill or !pay mircea_popescu 7.5555 "not bad but not really worth 10fiddy, ho!"
1414144;1456319101;mircea_popescu;and of course !bills returns you a list of stored bills.
1414145;1456319110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00056887 = 3.6977 BTC [-]
1414146;1456319113;mircea_popescu;and more details, but anyways.
1414147;1456319156;asciilifeform;i would also suggest that L folks be able to download compressed shitball of backup.
1414148;1456319181;mircea_popescu;surely.
1414149;1456319190;mircea_popescu;keyed to their key.
1414150;1456319196;asciilifeform;aha.
1414151;1456319204;mircea_popescu;all sorts of "problems" are really non-problems once tmsr principles are applied.
1414152;1456319214;asciilifeform;quite!
1414153;1456319259;mircea_popescu;to think imbecile anglos spent 50 years in "computing" huddling walls and trying to be all flower-power.
1414154;1456319292;mircea_popescu;bitcoin should have been implemented as a solution to pdp timesharing problems.
1414155;1456319296;asciilifeform;perhaps unrelatedly, yesterday i saw such egregious notational abuse (at big maths conference) that i felt my mircea_popescu fangs emerging, and wolf ears
1414156;1456319306;mircea_popescu;lol
1414157;1456319321;asciilifeform;suddenly it all made sense
1414158;1456319334;mircea_popescu;i'm like lead. every fancy radioactive compound eventually decays into me.
1414159;1456319373;asciilifeform;i dreamed of confining the perpetrators somehow and depriving'em of all squigglies and arrows
1414160;1456319437;asciilifeform;they really did use notation to mask the often nonexisting point of the message.
1414161;1456319446;mircea_popescu;allthetime.gif
1414162;1456319538;asciilifeform;but to me this is an argument for taking tools away from derps
1414163;1456319557;asciilifeform;rather than sending ~all~ to the stone age.
1414164;1456319570;asciilifeform;hence why i bring it up now.
1414165;1456319595;mircea_popescu;first off - separate what is tool and what is caduceus.
1414166;1456319636;mircea_popescu;THEN, take tools away from derps and caducei away from everyone.
1414167;1456319646;asciilifeform;yes!
1414168;1456319673;mircea_popescu;and absent a better idea, my concept that you can't possibily have more than 255-27-10 actual tools seems quite meritous.
1414169;1456319678;mircea_popescu;just how fucking many tools are there.
1414170;1456319707;asciilifeform;again, where do i find matrix bracket in the 255
1414171;1456319721;mircea_popescu;map it whatever way you will.
1414172;1456319732;mircea_popescu;all i care about is that there's a specified maximum DEFINITIVE count of symbols,
1414173;1456319733;asciilifeform;or subscript/superscript
1414174;1456319746;mircea_popescu;i'd prefer it be a word, but can live with dword. i CAN NOT live with "extensible symbol space".
1414175;1456319768;mircea_popescu;and i don't think you're that smart, either.
1414176;1456319774;asciilifeform;the problem with the derps is NOT that they make up new symbols.
1414177;1456319782;mircea_popescu;yesitis.
1414178;1456319790;asciilifeform;well sometimes
1414179;1456319794;mircea_popescu;this is the DEFINITION of derpage. to quote from relevant article :
1414180;1456319799;asciilifeform;but i saw none that day
1414181;1456319807;asciilifeform;most are too lazy
1414182;1456319826;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/#selection-99.0-99.995
1414183;1456319827;assbot;Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFP3t1 )
1414184;1456319841;asciilifeform;the problem is abuse of symbols to hide claptrap behind.
1414185;1456319842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00057529 = 26.6359 BTC [+] {5} 
1414186;1456319854;mircea_popescu;original topic is romanian "grammar scholars" who aren't fit to shine boots, and completely ignore anything whatsoever in the discipline in favour of doing some inanity.
1414187;1456319871;asciilifeform;incidentally the 'pomos' manage this with strictly latin alphabet !
1414188;1456319882;mircea_popescu;but the point stands : derpage is when you come up with new symbols or "new" readings (ie, wrong readings) of pre-existing symbols.
1414189;1456319884;mircea_popescu;that is what it is.
1414190;1456319898;mircea_popescu;and fucking note that medicine used WORDS to denote its array of datapoints. not fucking hieroglyphics.
1414191;1456319908;asciilifeform;they mostly do the latter.
1414192;1456319913;asciilifeform;new readings.
1414193;1456319917;mircea_popescu;sure.
1414194;1456319922;mircea_popescu;necessarily, it's cheaper.
1414195;1456319974;mircea_popescu;but you're right, pomos do use the medical style (in no small part due to the original idiots', lacan et all, vague fascination with that particular citadel forbidden to them by their own ineptitude -
1414196;1456319976;asciilifeform;but my point is, they don't necessarily need to take a shit on graphical symbols,  when they lack these, they shit on words.
1414197;1456320004;asciilifeform;it is the shit-spreaders that is the problem. not he victim symbols.
1414198;1456320008;mircea_popescu;their equivalents in a previous century were using the "magic stones" to read "reformed egyptian". and there is EXACTLY no difference between john smith the mormon and lacan the postmodernist. they're EXACTLY the same "ideal american"
1414199;1456320011;asciilifeform;*the
1414200;1456320022;asciilifeform;aha.
1414201;1456320049;asciilifeform;lulzily very few were americans
1414202;1456320055;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. i need unextensible symbol set for very good reason : you can't have static compilation without it.
1414203;1456320074;mircea_popescu;you understand ? all european literacy is based on the concept of fixed forever symbols, so printing press may exist.
1414204;1456320078;asciilifeform;mostly foreign folk faithfully emulating american custom
1414205;1456320083;asciilifeform;like preet.
1414206;1456320090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, THEY were the americans. everyone else's just scum the wind blew in./
1414207;1456320101;mircea_popescu;america is a country of john smith and carnegey and marx and lacan.
1414208;1456320118;mircea_popescu;preet is the american, obama is the american. not fucking kerry.
1414209;1456320120;asciilifeform;marx?!
1414210;1456320129;mircea_popescu;kerry is just some derp lost in there.
1414211;1456320131;mircea_popescu;yeah, marx.
1414212;1456320162;asciilifeform;how does this work
1414213;1456320168;mircea_popescu;just like lenin is the definitive soviet tho he didn't actually live there significantly, marx is the definitive american, tho he didn't even speak the "official" language. he spoke german, the unofficial one.
1414214;1456320201;asciilifeform;sorta like wagner is ~the~ nazi composer
1414215;1456320205;asciilifeform;.
1414216;1456320206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> how does this work << because what is your definition of nationality ? byron is french, definitely.
1414217;1456320244;asciilifeform;what am i then, l0l
1414218;1456320250;mircea_popescu;you're not dead yet,
1414219;1456320252;mircea_popescu;that's what you are.
1414220;1456320265;asciilifeform;hm.
1414221;1456320282;asciilifeform;gotta croak before can haz nationality?
1414222;1456320286;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1414223;1456320297;asciilifeform;i can see it.
1414224;1456320315;mircea_popescu;before that, you're just aspiring. what nationality you're aspiring to be entirely your problem,
1414225;1456320329;mircea_popescu;but the people dead on the battlements are dead for the dead, not dead for the living.
1414226;1456320335;mircea_popescu;who the everfuck cares abvout the fucking living.
1414227;1456320344;mircea_popescu;you can make more of those RIGHT NOW
1414228;1456320366;asciilifeform;aha! go and try to make an ancient greek !
1414229;1456320368;mircea_popescu;go, make some dead worth the mention. if california fell into the sea today, what'd be remembered ?
1414230;1456320377;asciilifeform;^
1414231;1456320382;mircea_popescu;the "horrible" wtc attack, who did it kill ?
1414232;1456320384;mircea_popescu;NOBODY ?
1414233;1456320392;asciilifeform;afaik.
1414234;1456320392;mircea_popescu;an empty country.
1414235;1456320542;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414084 << interestingly, no first reaction was 'ugh, idiot lumpen scum, blew loot at retail!?'
1414236;1456320542;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 11:09:02; punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including  Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services,  gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”"
1414237;1456320557;asciilifeform;*my first reaction
1414238;1456320583;mircea_popescu;very typical "real men" sorta operation.
1414239;1456320595;asciilifeform;revolting.
1414240;1456320612;asciilifeform;what happened to good old btc plunder.
1414241;1456320613;mircea_popescu;kinda what drove the entire giuliani revolt, briefly backj when the us still thought it may turn around.
1414242;1456320636;mircea_popescu;you deeply disunderstand the mob. it has no higher purpose. it's just people trying to find an alt-path to consumerism.
1414243;1456320639;asciilifeform;massages?!
1414244;1456320644;mircea_popescu;"what else can a guy like me without college do"
1414245;1456320648;asciilifeform;day care?!
1414246;1456320654;mircea_popescu;well ? why not ?
1414247;1456320664;mircea_popescu;unlike the vory, they can get married. and so they do.
1414248;1456320674;asciilifeform;mindblowing
1414249;1456320679;mircea_popescu;like the vory, they don't know how to pick women. and so they don't.
1414250;1456320681;mircea_popescu;etc.
1414251;1456320797;asciilifeform;i always saw the mob as a very positive, higherpurpose thing, in the strict sense of keeping lizards out of a small but strong bubble of sovereignty
1414252;1456320818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057553 = 10.9926 BTC [+]
1414253;1456320855;asciilifeform;where the mob is - motherfucking rothchild, and harvard, are not
1414254;1456320913;mircea_popescu;kik
1414255;1456320922;asciilifeform;i take off my hat to anyone who can muzzle a rothchild .
1414256;1456320935;asciilifeform;or exclude harvardistas
1414257;1456320967;mircea_popescu;i can't think of a time this was the case, in either the old country or the america.
1414258;1456320986;asciilifeform;40s?
1414259;1456320988;mircea_popescu;generally, mobster's hope and aspiration is for kids to join whatever $harvard locally and become "accepted by society"
1414260;1456320990;mircea_popescu;nah.
1414261;1456321015;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu is right, and this is a disease suffered by nearly all orcs.
1414262;1456321057;mircea_popescu;it really is, and throughout its ~4 century history started sometime during attempts to liquidate the strong feudalism leftover in sicily and other march lands, always was an "alt-path to bourgeoisie"
1414263;1456321061;asciilifeform;i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents
1414264;1456321078;asciilifeform;because did not become 'respectable' (tm)
1414265;1456321088;mircea_popescu;ha.
1414266;1456321127;asciilifeform;it is a very peculiarly orcish-emigre disease.
1414267;1456321263;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414102 << ya think mining is countereconomic and leans usgtronically ~now~ ! wait till reward is epsilon.
1414268;1456321263;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 11:47:29; mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips.
1414269;1456321301;asciilifeform;miningisabug.
1414270;1456321306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056833 = 27.6493 BTC [-] {2} 
1414271;1456321345;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414119 << luke-jr is in chna?!
1414272;1456321345;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 12:00:46; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8HYYdVIAEujZ8.jpg:large
1414273;1456321405;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414121 << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now.
1414274;1456321405;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 12:02:18; mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy.
1414275;1456321491;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414126 << this is a very common view, on account of that ibm is known to have adjusted the proggy between games,and had a staff of chess-literate folk fiddling with it.
1414276;1456321491;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 12:47:11; mircea_popescu: really, ibm cheated with deep blue ?
1414277;1456321516;asciilifeform;so the proggy was not a frozen thing
1414278;1456321527;asciilifeform;but arguably had meat component.
1414279;1456321548;asciilifeform;this pissed off kasparov, yes.
1414280;1456321603;asciilifeform;(i often wonder if his loss helped to drive him into the nato meatpuppetry for which he is now famous in ru world)
1414281;1456321693;asciilifeform;fortunately, there is very little meat can do for the go prog
1414282;1456321745;asciilifeform;(massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games)
1414283;1456321794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35595 @ 0.00057654 = 20.5219 BTC [+] {4} 
1414284;1456321804;asciilifeform;go does not 'crowdsource'. demonstrably.
1414285;1456321825;asciilifeform;one of the many reasons i see it as a noble game.
1414286;1456321921;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414040 << zynga
1414287;1456321921;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 05:19:12; deedbot-: [Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - http://qntra.net/2016/02/hemorrhaging-zygna-seeks-bezzle-buck-bolus-from-hq-sale/
1414288;1456321928;asciilifeform;this is disgraceful.
1414289;1456322122;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1414290;1456322682;jurov;kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
1414291;1456322766;jurov;however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
1414292;1456324844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28216 @ 0.000572 = 16.1396 BTC [-] {2} 
1414293;1456324899;jurov;i doubt it is possible to run service like archive.is on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit)
1414294;1456326291;jurov;oh it's supposed to get paid via assbot. aok.
1414295;1456327406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57497 @ 0.00056834 = 32.6778 BTC [-] {3} 
1414296;1456327833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00056833 = 29.269 BTC [-]
1414297;1456328138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101167 @ 0.0005668 = 57.3415 BTC [-] {4} 
1414298;1456329175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00056919 = 11.9814 BTC [+]
1414299;1456329236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33836 @ 0.00056704 = 19.1864 BTC [-] {3} 
1414300;1456329633;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414290 << same is true of my www.
1414301;1456329633;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 14:04:42; jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of therealbitcoin.org, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change
1414302;1456329724;punkman;can you put multiple IPs in etc/hosts so it round-robins?
1414303;1456329756;asciilifeform;apparently not
1414304;1456329780;asciilifeform;seems like you end up having to run own dns server, to do this.
1414305;1456329785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057262 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2} 
1414306;1456329804;asciilifeform;because the WHOLE THING is braindamaged
1414307;1456329811;asciilifeform;not just the one particular aspect mircea_popescu locked onto
1414308;1456329865;asciilifeform;hosts file will stop at the first match.
1414309;1456329869;asciilifeform;at least on my boxes.
1414310;1456329880;punkman;any tiny dns resolvers one could use for this?
1414311;1456329909;punkman;http://dnsmasq.org/ maybe
1414312;1456329910;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OuP6aR )
1414313;1456329914;asciilifeform;sure
1414314;1456329924;asciilifeform;but this no longer solves the problem mircea_popescuistically.
1414315;1456329934;asciilifeform;(that is, by thermonuking ALL dns invocations)
1414316;1456330091;asciilifeform;;;isup trilema.com
1414317;1456330097;gribble;trilema.com is up
1414318;1456330099;asciilifeform;hm
1414319;1456330101;asciilifeform;dead here.
1414320;1456330120;jurov;here, too
1414321;1456330150;asciilifeform;dead from all of my modems.
1414322;1456330181;jurov;what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
1414323;1456330192;asciilifeform;jurov: every day ?
1414324;1456330205;jurov;every day!!!11
1414325;1456330230;asciilifeform;so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
1414326;1456330248;asciilifeform;because we're at the stage where we beat her up, and expelled the madwoman, but now still have no pipes.
1414327;1456330252;asciilifeform;and stuck carrying buckets.
1414328;1456330255;asciilifeform;and the buckets - leak.
1414329;1456330274;asciilifeform;and it is not clear that the carpet is any dryer than before.
1414330;1456330659;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262535 .
1414331;1456330659;assbot;Logged on 04-09-2015 14:42:04; asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm)
1414332;1456330820;asciilifeform;in unrelated,
1414333;1456330821;asciilifeform;http://shoup.net/ntb/ntb-v2.pdf
1414334;1456330828;asciilifeform;'A Computational Introduction to Number Theory
1414335;1456330833;asciilifeform;and Algebra' (V. Shoup)
1414336;1456330838;asciilifeform;of cramer-shoup.
1414337;1456331436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00057263 = 2.949 BTC [+]
1414338;1456331863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056411 = 17.9105 BTC [-] {3} 
1414339;1456331956;trinque;asciilifeform | dead from all of my modems. << here, worx
1414340;1456332125;asciilifeform;trinque: and now here.
1414341;1456332133;asciilifeform;i suppose they had to take an hour off to change the nsa tap.
1414342;1456332151;asciilifeform;(do they still write to magnetic wire cassette?!)
1414343;1456332160;asciilifeform;i demand a MODERN nsa tap !1111 on my line!
1414344;1456332171;asciilifeform;what is this crapolade.
1414345;1456332229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056388 = 17.9032 BTC [-] {2} 
1414346;1456332423;asciilifeform;!up thestringpuller
1414347;1456332809;jurov;you post ub3rs3cr3t stuff to trilema?
1414348;1456332872;jurov;to warrant antifuse rom wiretap?
1414349;1456333022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00056592 = 13.8084 BTC [+]
1414350;1456333173;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/082Q624.txt
1414351;1456333174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcnPiK )
1414352;1456333174;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1414353;1456333236;asciilifeform;jurov: i have nfi, but it is insulting to sit on a medieval stake while others sizzle in spiffy modern electric chairs.
1414354;1456334181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.0005729 = 19.1349 BTC [+] {3} 
1414355;1456334547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33775 @ 0.00057561 = 19.4412 BTC [+] {3} 
1414356;1456335096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00057727 = 21.994 BTC [+]
1414357;1456335706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00057689 = 11.3503 BTC [-]
1414358;1456336377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.0005756 = 33.7877 BTC [-] {2} 
1414359;1456337152;BingoBoingo; really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? << Probable in the second Kasparov match, the one Blue won
1414360;1456339183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8908 @ 0.00057561 = 5.1275 BTC [+]
1414361;1456339855;punkman;http://dapps.ethercasts.com/ lol
1414362;1456339857;assbot;State of the Dapps ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnODMn )
1414363;1456340024;asciilifeform;http://kyc-chain.com << from punkman's link
1414364;1456340025;assbot;KYC-Chain | Enhanced KYC on Blockchain Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnP3Cr )
1414365;1456340025;asciilifeform;mega-l0l
1414366;1456340082;asciilifeform;http://proofofindividuality.tk << 'anti-sybil token' >> link leads to linkfarm/malware.
1414367;1456340083;assbot;proofofindividuality.tk ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnPdcQ )
1414368;1456340158;punkman;such innovations
1414369;1456340291;asciilifeform;i can sit here and laugh, but it remains, buterin is rich, while i am poor.
1414370;1456340297;asciilifeform;crime - pays.
1414371;1456340359;asciilifeform;(and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.)
1414372;1456340381;trinque;and he will die at the end like every other person
1414373;1456340390;asciilifeform;everything dies.
1414374;1456340393;asciilifeform;this is uninteresting.
1414375;1456340400;trinque;it's entirely relevant
1414376;1456340426;asciilifeform;how?
1414377;1456340505;trinque;one moment, phone has rung
1414378;1456340637;asciilifeform;buddhist-flavoured claptrap doesn't work on me, don't even try.
1414379;1456340652;asciilifeform;'never mind that someone is shoving hot coals up your arse, just remember, everybody dies someday!11'
1414380;1456340766;asciilifeform;'why fight hitler, krishna will judge him'
1414381;1456340768;asciilifeform;fuck that.
1414382;1456340769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00057358 = 26.0979 BTC [-] {4} 
1414383;1456340776;asciilifeform;with hot poker.
1414384;1456340858;trinque;not that at all.
1414385;1456340866;trinque;on his deathbed he has to be him; you have to be you
1414386;1456340870;trinque;who gives a shit what he had in his life?
1414387;1456340880;asciilifeform;still claptrap.
1414388;1456340885;trinque;so, suffer.
1414389;1456340887;trinque;lol
1414390;1456340891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48893 @ 0.00056908 = 27.824 BTC [-] {3} 
1414391;1456340926;asciilifeform;at least it doesn't cost anything yet!
1414392;1456340963;punkman;doesn't it cost 90% of salary?
1414393;1456340972;asciilifeform;punkman: 200%.
1414394;1456340984;asciilifeform;trinque: not entirely unrelatedly, you were, iirc, from oregon ?
1414395;1456341006;trinque;from texas, spent a good amount of time in oregon
1414396;1456341007;asciilifeform;i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp)
1414397;1456341010;asciilifeform;ah
1414398;1456341066;trinque;when its sunny there, (what, 3-4mos/yr?) it's lovely
1414399;1456341071;trinque;otherwise very depressing
1414400;1456341109;asciilifeform;is there fog ? can it substitute for london ?
1414401;1456341121;trinque;can be quite foggy, yes
1414402;1456341134;trinque;meanwhile texas is the surface of the sun for 5-6mos/yr
1414403;1456341137;asciilifeform;but i can hardly picture a more depressing place than dc
1414404;1456341147;asciilifeform;it is almost like the world of the film 'dark city.'
1414405;1456341156;trinque;it at least lacks the feeling of living directly under the eye of sauron
1414406;1456341169;asciilifeform;the eye of sauron is omnipresent.
1414407;1456341190;trinque;actually, there is a rather imposing federal building in downtown Portland
1414408;1456341215;trinque;federal courthouse I think, with a platform atop for human sacrifice, I can only assume
1414409;1456341238;asciilifeform;ever seen the fbi headquarters in dc ?
1414410;1456341243;trinque;haven't
1414411;1456341281;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2014#838576 << thread
1414412;1456341281;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2014 05:33:42; asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/2FIpuIy,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW
1414413;1456341342;asciilifeform;when i think of the word 'totalitarian', i think of that place.
1414414;1456341743;trinque;I can see it
1414415;1456341745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0005756 = 13.3539 BTC [+] {2} 
1414416;1456341766;trinque;http://www.boora.com/files/14611232134221Mark-Hatfield-US-Courthouse--Judges-Chambers-East-Elevation.jpg << the portland one looks to my eyes more of "look how much of your money we spent on this wankery"
1414417;1456341767;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um5hPh )
1414418;1456342089;phf;it's like the style for building gov buildings these days, md district court few blocks away http://www.jasoncleckner.com/images/RockvilleDistCt.jpg
1414419;1456342092;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1VgkT )
1414420;1456342207;BingoBoingo;St Louis too has the thing where Federal building with werkers is short, squat yet Federal Court has grand tower of oppreshun
1414421;1456342264;asciilifeform;phf: aha, seen that court many times
1414422;1456342267;BingoBoingo;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Eagleton_Courthouse.JPG
1414423;1456342267;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um5y4H )
1414424;1456342267;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414282 << aha. lol.
1414425;1456342267;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 13:49:05; asciilifeform: (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games)
1414426;1456342365;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414291 << and i have no problem listing a bunch of them
1414427;1456342365;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked
1414428;1456342399;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414311 << dnsmasq works just fine, yes.
1414429;1456342399;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 16:05:09; punkman: http://dnsmasq.org/ maybe
1414430;1456342523;asciilifeform;hm i guess iptables does nothing to loopback (local connections within same machine)
1414431;1456342523;BingoBoingo;lulz of lulz! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13993733#msg13993733
1414432;1456342525;assbot;「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um5Fgy )
1414433;1456342543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can set it to.
1414434;1456342555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: set what
1414435;1456342562;mircea_popescu;iptables to mangle loopback.
1414436;1456342574;asciilifeform;nope.
1414437;1456342599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00057561 = 11.3971 BTC [+]
1414438;1456342609;mircea_popescu;don';t be silly!
1414439;1456342621;mircea_popescu;-A INPUT -i lo
1414440;1456342669;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b86
1414441;1456342669;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ted Cruz will be the Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1246/ted-cruz-will-be-the-republicans-2016-presidential/#b15
1414442;1456342685;mircea_popescu;i guess this bettor lives in palo alto.
1414443;1456342695;asciilifeform;can i block port P on loopback ?
1414444;1456342734;mircea_popescu;should, yes.
1414445;1456342875;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414320 << fixed meanwhile ? or still ?
1414446;1456342875;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 16:08:40; jurov: here, too
1414447;1456342896;jurov;fixed!
1414448;1456342905;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414322 << if you recall, this was actually discussed in teh logs, re "how g works"
1414449;1456342905;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 16:09:41; jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly?
1414450;1456342924;mircea_popescu;thread with copypaste re proper chan software.
1414451;1456342961;asciilifeform;speaking of g, when does the block cipher contest formally close ?
1414452;1456342987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when we've had enough ?
1414453;1456343003;asciilifeform;any signs of life whatsoever ?
1414454;1456343025;mircea_popescu;nope. exactly power law of derpage : buncha noise 1st day, 1/2 noise next, 1/4 noise next, epsilon thereafter.
1414455;1456343034;mircea_popescu;nothing worth the mention throughout.
1414456;1456343045;mircea_popescu;i might as well hold painting contests for a jar of fruit flies.
1414457;1456343081;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1414458;1456343111;asciilifeform;see also today's pgpgram.
1414459;1456343114;BingoBoingo;In other news today notorious Apple Shill Rush Limbaugh is giving away iPad "Pros" on his radio program.
1414460;1456343143;BingoBoingo;Further other news from the zoo https://archive.is/3abRB
1414461;1456343145;assbot;Bitcoin Core 0.12 full initial sync: results and analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Um60zS )
1414462;1456343196;BingoBoingo;"Since these "dead spots" can be attributed neither to hardware nor the network, they must be the result of something sub-optimal in the software."
1414463;1456343216;asciilifeform;'During the last 10% of the blockchain sync, both the WAIT column of "top" and the furious clicking of disk heads revealed that disk activity was becoming a quite obvious bottleneck, leading to the CPU going idle for longer and longer periods.'
1414464;1456343223;asciilifeform;this is not a prb-specific thing.
1414465;1456343227;asciilifeform;it applies just as well to us.
1414466;1456343236;asciilifeform;it comes from organized shit-tx ddos.
1414467;1456343279;asciilifeform;'Another curious pattern that emerged during the later stage of the sync process were long delays (4-5 min) during which data was still coming in through the network at a high rate but both disk and CPU were relatively idle and little or no chain updating was occurring. ' << blackhole.
1414468;1456343367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: the contest, i can speak only for myself, but i've had enough. wake me up when you've also had enough.
1414469;1456343392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46786 @ 0.00057697 = 26.9941 BTC [+] {3} 
1414470;1456343412;mircea_popescu;well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ?
1414471;1456343423;mircea_popescu;do i need to enum. the case or are you up to date ?
1414472;1456343440;asciilifeform;i recommend enumming for the record
1414473;1456343470;asciilifeform;!s block cipher
1414474;1456343471;assbot;76 results for 'block cipher' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=block+cipher
1414475;1456343484;asciilifeform;^ mostly in there
1414476;1456343698;phf;you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large
1414477;1456343876;mircea_popescu;phf what is "the net at large" ?
1414478;1456344065;phf;miners, all those people who put bets on bitbet, agora buyers/sellers
1414479;1456344117;mircea_popescu;you don't take my meaning.
1414480;1456344128;mircea_popescu;what is "russians" ? where do i meet them ?
1414481;1456344143;mircea_popescu;if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ?
1414482;1456344174;mircea_popescu;i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over.
1414483;1456344194;asciilifeform;well there is 'the outside of the wot'
1414484;1456344199;asciilifeform;which is presently where blocks come from.
1414485;1456344217;asciilifeform;it is an aggregate, much like 'outer space'
1414486;1456344225;trinque;I can see the counterpoint.
1414487;1456344231;trinque;if you connected to him, he's in your wot
1414488;1456344241;asciilifeform;mno.
1414489;1456344242;trinque;who he connects to is his problem
1414490;1456344300;trinque;maybe you connect to trinque's trans-netherworld sewer system that talks to both sides
1414491;1456344349;asciilifeform;trinque: however you try to dance around the problem, must come to terms with the fact that ~some~ trb nodes must talk to the heathens ~some~ of the time, or NO BLOCKS
1414492;1456344355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the romanian word to denote the relationship between two men fucking the same woman is "sogor"\
1414493;1456344357;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1414494;1456344365;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have 'milk brothers'
1414495;1456344378;mircea_popescu;point being, this is the only relation people are usually unaware of.
1414496;1456344385;asciilifeform;(originally 2 ~sucking~ same woman.)
1414497;1456344389;mircea_popescu;so lots of party jokes, "hey man, spot your milk brothers ?"
1414498;1456344433;asciilifeform;not the only relation. i once knew two dudes who discovered that they were sharing a toothbrush for most of a year.
1414499;1456344443;asciilifeform;(they lived in a uni dorm)
1414500;1456344459;mircea_popescu;so there is no "the network". just people you don't know your friends are fucking.
1414501;1456344481;asciilifeform;but it is a mass in the sense of outer space.
1414502;1456344488;mircea_popescu;only afayk
1414503;1456344491;asciilifeform;and in the sense that it largely consists of prb users.
1414504;1456344496;asciilifeform;(as far as i can tell)
1414505;1456344498;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1414506;1456344521;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "all americans are poor, everyone i see in grand central station is wearing shitty cloth shoes and a cheap tshirt"
1414507;1456344594;asciilifeform;it is not especially hard to obtain evidence that other kinds exist
1414508;1456344598;asciilifeform;but where is this for nodez ?
1414509;1456344615;mircea_popescu;nodes are a peculiar case.
1414510;1456344623;mircea_popescu;"all american women are blonde because that's what i see on tv anchors"
1414511;1456344711;asciilifeform;so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing
1414512;1456344756;asciilifeform;this does not prove absence, no
1414513;1456344759;mircea_popescu;no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing.
1414514;1456344771;asciilifeform;they were not running ~latest prb~ aha
1414515;1456344771;mircea_popescu;wilful ignoring evidence is problematic you know.
1414516;1456344776;mircea_popescu;mno.
1414517;1456344791;asciilifeform;for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched.
1414518;1456344801;mircea_popescu;for all you know engineering assumptions aren't to be made this way.
1414519;1456344831;asciilifeform;all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client.
1414520;1456344856;asciilifeform;(diddling a version number is not reengineering, nor the der encoding thing)
1414521;1456344864;mircea_popescu;perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout.
1414522;1456344881;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb.
1414523;1456344909;mircea_popescu;if you're particularly inclined to act as a propaganda agent for prb, you may make that wholly unsubstantiated, ridiculous claim.
1414524;1456344914;mircea_popescu;i guess it's your priviledge to do so.
1414525;1456344925;asciilifeform;(am i terminologically addled, or do i misunderstand what is prb)
1414526;1456344930;mircea_popescu;hey, we also "cant prove" putin fucks obama in the ass.
1414527;1456344930;asciilifeform;is 0.5.3 prb ?
1414528;1456344959;asciilifeform;when does prb begin ?
1414529;1456344988;mircea_popescu;i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork.
1414530;1456345015;asciilifeform;then i take it back, and mircea_popescu has it
1414531;1456345022;asciilifeform;no miner, afaik, used prb.
1414532;1456345079;asciilifeform;(i've been using the term to refer to all heathen bitcoin clients, at least those descended from s's original)
1414533;1456345091;mircea_popescu;kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb.
1414534;1456345111;mircea_popescu;also makes little sense to use the term re bitcoinj, whatever its shortcomings.
1414535;1456345122;asciilifeform;items such as keeping bastard blocks/tx around don't count as 'rangery' ?
1414536;1456345139;mircea_popescu;well no, not all error/failure/stupidity is THIS PARTICULAR one.
1414537;1456345147;asciilifeform;not automatically, aha
1414538;1456345164;asciilifeform;but it always seemed to me like many of the prb idiocies really ~were~ in keeping with satoshi's idiocy.
1414539;1456345183;asciilifeform;the continuing support for winblows, for example.
1414540;1456345188;mircea_popescu;i dunno, man. if a guy makes a shitty camp during indian assault, it's one thing.
1414541;1456345201;mircea_popescu;if folks in the settled territory keep on living there, not even put up a fucking log barn ?
1414542;1456345203;mircea_popescu;another thing.
1414543;1456345214;mircea_popescu;can't call both "fucking gypos".
1414544;1456345228;asciilifeform;i can see it.
1414545;1456345287;mircea_popescu;the lone ranger gets a lot of excuses later fellows do not.
1414546;1456345505;deedbot-;[Qntra] Silk Road 2.0 Case Confirms FBI And CMU Tor Attack Collaboration - http://qntra.net/2016/02/silk-road-2-0-case-confirms-fbi-and-cmu-tor-attack-collaboration/
1414547;1456345554;BingoBoingo;^ lulz
1414548;1456345695;asciilifeform;'From the record, it appears the only information passed on to law enforcement about the defendant was his IP address. There is nothing presented by the defense, other than rank speculation, that anything more was obtained by SEI and provided to law enforcement to identify the defendant.'
1414549;1456345708;asciilifeform;lying is a sport to these folks, isnnit.
1414550;1456345714;phf;i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant?
1414551;1456345715;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414112 << 4-5 exahash seems like a more plausible 12 month estimate.
1414552;1456345715;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 11:50:53; punkman: or is 2exa too low?
1414553;1456345746;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not a sport, a game.
1414554;1456345760;pete_dushenski;exaguess is based on gut, which is about 75% accurate in such matters to date.
1414555;1456345777;BingoBoingo;Sports have fans
1414556;1456345878;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b45
1414557;1456346024;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/judge-confirms-what-many-suspected-feds-hired-cmu-to-break-tor << l0lzies
1414558;1456346025;assbot;Judge confirms what many suspected: Feds hired CMU to break Tor | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1TzwvRD )
1414559;1456346137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35294 @ 0.00056968 = 20.1063 BTC [-]
1414560;1456346143;asciilifeform;^ interesting for the 'paper shredder precedent' cited
1414561;1456346883;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414263 << just past tense ?
1414562;1456346883;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 13:37:41; asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents
1414563;1456347038;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
1414564;1456347038;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 13:43:25; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414121 << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now.
1414565;1456347062;pete_dushenski;"keeps water VERY cold" advocate tells me.
1414566;1456347084;pete_dushenski;as if ice is wunderwaffen
1414567;1456347113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111550 @ 0.00056654 = 63.1975 BTC [-] {6} 
1414568;1456347177;mircea_popescu;phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it.
1414569;1456347372;phf;well, it's a technical capability, like roads or email. bitcoin is hosted on a subtrate of tcpip, question is can a b-a node accept packets that come from outside the wot and on what terms.
1414570;1456347400;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40
1414571;1456347400;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes
1414572;1456347401;assbot;Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RoapzD )
1414573;1456347423;mircea_popescu;phf is your definition of "network at large" as "all those ips that are not connected to a node connected to someone in l2" ?
1414574;1456347430;mircea_popescu;or what, 2 degrees of separation ? 4 ?
1414575;1456347469;phf;all those ips that are not l1 or l2
1414576;1456347488;mircea_popescu;why is this partition meaningful ?
1414577;1456347673;phf;l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.
1414578;1456347734;mircea_popescu;in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
1414579;1456347759;mircea_popescu;ie, you become an unpriviledged creditor of theirs, and that's that. if they go bankrupt in a decade, you lose the house.
1414580;1456347766;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, happens here. ALL THE TIME.
1414581;1456347794;phf;a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions
1414582;1456347796;mircea_popescu;phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
1414583;1456347814;mircea_popescu;i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these.
1414584;1456347831;mircea_popescu;for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed.
1414585;1456347858;mircea_popescu;this cloud will never be clarified, or separated. the space where usg can reliably live (or, for that matter, chinag, russiag, dpkg, anyone-g) is, more or less, zero.
1414586;1456347873;mircea_popescu;and gossipd is specifically not a solution to hermetically seal the network.
1414587;1456347885;mircea_popescu;it is a solution to make that epsilon unknowable to any degree of certainty, by anyone.
1414588;1456347901;mircea_popescu;on which topic, the earlier discussion with asciilifeform re miners is quite apropos.
1414589;1456348006;mircea_popescu;and this is not merely a discussion of nodes in terms of internet ips. this is a discussion of everything. usg can not currently know which of its agents is closer to me than to washington. closer to their wife than to washington. closer to their purse, a la force, than to washington.
1414590;1456348015;mircea_popescu;this situation will never reduce, but only amplify, for it spells victory.
1414591;1456348133;phf;well a gossip connection is already a secret handshake, even if it's not wot rated, a concept of trust can be applied to it, even if negatively. it's a backchannel for b-a node communication
1414592;1456348154;mircea_popescu;ok.
1414593;1456348179;mircea_popescu;but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
1414594;1456348187;mircea_popescu;you can't say this is the case for any one node in particular.
1414595;1456348306;phf;will b-a node, once gossip enabled make connections that are not routed over gossip?
1414596;1456348315;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1414597;1456348321;mircea_popescu;bridged, or even unbridged.
1414598;1456348337;mircea_popescu;the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know.
1414599;1456348421;phf;oh the outside packets are traveling over gossip too, by means of gossip relays
1414600;1456348429;*;phf hits self on head
1414601;1456348433;mircea_popescu;and as a more general point : we aren't sealing ourselves off in an ideal world (see the "island of Bitcoin" / "let's get a geographical unit started" threads throughout log history). we are simply constructing indefeatable corruption.
1414602;1456348574;phf;i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post.
1414603;1456348646;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414570 << no worky
1414604;1456348646;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 20:56:40; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414325 << http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-347.0-359.40
1414605;1456348649;mircea_popescu;this being the deep meaning of the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368148 comment
1414606;1456348649;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:03:44; ascii_butugychag: не шагу назад (тм) (р)
1414607;1456348660;mircea_popescu;i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office.
1414608;1456348666;mircea_popescu;it is mine, and i'm taking it back. all of it.
1414609;1456348703;phf;за нами москва
1414610;1456348790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's it do ?
1414611;1456348802;asciilifeform;just displays the article.
1414612;1456348808;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1414613;1456348824;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414593 << in so far as the enemy can readily deduce that none of us are mining, the 'outside' of the bottle deductively exists.
1414614;1456348824;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction.
1414615;1456348839;mircea_popescu;this deduction would be false.
1414616;1456348871;asciilifeform;i suppose our conversations re: it taking forever to get a high-S tx into a block could've been smokescreen, aha.
1414617;1456348873;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as the enemy can delude himself into that, he can delude himself into anything and is warmly welcome to it.
1414618;1456348903;asciilifeform;or when bitbet tx were delayed, it was also smoke.
1414619;1456348931;mircea_popescu;if this were how deductions worked there'd be no need of politicians
1414620;1456348932;mircea_popescu;or even women.
1414621;1456348944;mircea_popescu;world could be settled over darts and beer.
1414622;1456348945;asciilifeform;but yes, i get the 'nacht und nebel' thing mircea_popescu is trying to set up
1414623;1456348948;asciilifeform;it is meritorious
1414624;1456348961;asciilifeform;let them guess.
1414625;1456349284;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414563 << pretty sure that's what my thermos cost. (there is nothing peculiar about it)
1414626;1456349284;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.
1414627;1456349331;pete_dushenski;thermos tends to carry considerably more volume, no ?
1414628;1456349487;jurov;but thermoses don't have the right comforter
1414629;1456349565;jurov;or whatitscalled, a teat?
1414630;1456349573;mircea_popescu;lol
1414631;1456349750;pete_dushenski;spout maybe
1414632;1456349790;pete_dushenski;also a thermos is 2x weight of water bottle. different beast really. like macbook air and og mac portable.
1414633;1456349804;jurov;babies drink from spout? til
1414634;1456349823;mircea_popescu;aha. also drunkards drink from spout
1414635;1456349832;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it had a spout.
1414636;1456349855;asciilifeform;it is the iron kind of thermos, welded in a vaccum chamber
1414637;1456349856;pete_dushenski;babies are a lot like drunks : shit pants, mutter incomprehensibly, can't walk straight
1414638;1456349858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32859 @ 0.00057216 = 18.8006 BTC [+] {3} 
1414639;1456349858;phf;thermos has a vacuum chamber
1414640;1456349859;asciilifeform;(yes this is how they are made)
1414641;1456349879;mircea_popescu;basically a thermos is a larger xmas tree globe.
1414642;1456349883;phf;or ascii said it already
1414643;1456349890;mircea_popescu;shiny glass double bottom vacuum separated.
1414644;1456349903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the old-fashioned kind, you can still get it, sure
1414645;1456349912;jurov;ikr? the vacuum doesn't compensate for the added weight
1414646;1456349933;jurov;would have to be too bulky
1414647;1456349937;phf;only quality asian ones use glass vacuum chambers, also on account of those people being careful with their stuff. can't even buy those in usg unless in specialty asian stores
1414648;1456349981;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation !
1414649;1456350077;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: was it made by 'contigo' co. ?
1414650;1456350144;pete_dushenski;mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention
1414651;1456350201;BingoBoingo;Then this is pretty much all Thermos wank, take it to bitcointalk
1414652;1456350222;mircea_popescu;lol
1414653;1456350288;pete_dushenski;i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em
1414654;1456350311;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe << an uncharacteristically well written wikipedia article.
1414655;1456350312;assbot;Molon labe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLyaCw )
1414656;1456350328;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: He does both
1414657;1456350464;phf;"We noticed that you have not yet purchased your Apple Developer Program. To continue your enrollment, purchase your program now." these people
1414658;1456350670;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414361 << this thing insistently reminds me of "bitcoin in argentina / world map", "dating websites" and the rest of the crapolade.
1414659;1456350670;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 18:50:55; punkman: http://dapps.ethercasts.com/ lol
1414660;1456350684;mircea_popescu;WE HAVE SO AND SO THINGS!!! please do not try to use any of them!!1
1414661;1456350686;mircea_popescu;!up beeteecee
1414662;1456350717;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414371 << til nttp = rich.
1414663;1456350717;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 18:59:19; asciilifeform: (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.)
1414664;1456350895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46043 @ 0.00057551 = 26.4982 BTC [+] {5} 
1414665;1456350960;asciilifeform;what's nttp ?
1414666;1456350971;mircea_popescu;no theorems to prove.
1414667;1456350975;mircea_popescu;and in other the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e0158454713eb51930024c70f0e9ec4f/tumblr_nnxa3fkkQR1t4kskho1_1280.jpg
1414668;1456350977;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLzPYK )
1414669;1456351037;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1414670;1456351042;asciilifeform;but maybe i shouldn't expect to
1414671;1456351081;mircea_popescu;dude does all the work three midlevel project managers in a shitty thirld world country wanna-be second hand tech firm do. you perceive this as "not have to work", on the grounds that he doesn't seem to mind it.
1414672;1456351092;mircea_popescu;he only doesn't mind it because his ganglional vacuole is thoroughly empty.
1414673;1456351171;asciilifeform;what makes you think that he works ?
1414674;1456351173;mircea_popescu;programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley.
1414675;1456351174;mircea_popescu;but hey.
1414676;1456351205;asciilifeform;for all i know, he spends 100% of his waking hours playing 'doom'.
1414677;1456351212;mircea_popescu;nevermind me. why's this about me ? you made an array of propositions and you want ME to be bringing proof ?
1414678;1456351221;mircea_popescu;for all you know he's your father, luke.
1414679;1456351252;pete_dushenski;relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924336
1414680;1456351252;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:38; Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
1414681;1456351319;mircea_popescu;that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms.
1414682;1456351351;asciilifeform;hm i think i got disconnected
1414683;1456351353;asciilifeform;lost buffer
1414684;1456351369;asciilifeform;sending again, apologies if repeat:
1414685;1456351374;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: more thinking that whole thread, also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#924341
1414686;1456351374;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 21:26:34; mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
1414687;1456351381;asciilifeform;well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
1414688;1456351388;asciilifeform;and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc
1414689;1456351393;asciilifeform;so presumably got a cut.
1414690;1456351400;asciilifeform;in his position, i certainly would not work. (in the sense of showing up to some salt mine, for wages)
1414691;1456351410;asciilifeform;[end of retransmit]
1414692;1456351426;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: but if you were in his position, you would scam, so...
1414693;1456351440;pete_dushenski;can't cherry pick when in another man's shoes
1414694;1456351460;asciilifeform;i see mircea_popescu's argument, that man cannot compare himself with worm, it operates on null pointer
1414695;1456351463;pete_dushenski;like wearing one of his pantlegs. for one, you'll trip and fall on your face
1414696;1456351492;asciilifeform;i'm simply not entirely convinced that i am not similarly a worm
1414697;1456351497;asciilifeform;and thereby - comparable.
1414698;1456351584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc << we did this entire thread when you thought leah goodman is set for lyf, and then we did it when bb started exposing the lulzy state of gawker contributors compensations, and so on.
1414699;1456351609;mircea_popescu;how many times do we need to do the whole - stalin and ivan ivanov politruk own the same : 0. except stalin's 0 buys him some things and politruk's 0 does not ?
1414700;1456351613;asciilifeform;so buterin never had coin ?
1414701;1456351621;asciilifeform;who, then, held it ?
1414702;1456351624;asciilifeform;martians ?
1414703;1456351634;mircea_popescu;force had more coin, for longer.
1414704;1456351652;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski sorry ?
1414705;1456351675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and thereby - comparable. << this question, answered later.
1414706;1456351692;asciilifeform;how's that
1414707;1456351706;mircea_popescu;well so you don't know. eventually you will neh ?
1414708;1456351718;asciilifeform;i think worms die ignorant.
1414709;1456351734;asciilifeform;as in, i stepped on one today, and did not first tell it 'you were a worm'
1414710;1456351755;asciilifeform;i also do not have the unreasonable expectation of being told.
1414711;1456351772;mircea_popescu;well okthen!
1414712;1456351783;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: re: idiots or pantlegs ?
1414713;1456351793;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. what scam what what ? wut ?
1414714;1456351877;pete_dushenski;aha. buterin. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414687 namely that alf imagines he would sit on the king's throne but nor wear his crown if only they could swap places as in a dream
1414715;1456351877;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg
1414716;1456351921;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ?
1414717;1456351981;mircea_popescu;the relationship between buterin and the mit-driven, elen shoe or what's her stupid name managed alt-bitcoin scam is approximately the same as the relationship between preet bharara and the us rogue state.
1414718;1456351993;mircea_popescu;we're cordially invited to hang the idiot(s) and imagine this does something.
1414719;1456352009;mircea_popescu;i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff.
1414720;1456352015;mircea_popescu;anyway. "noi capul lui motoc vrem".
1414721;1456352065;mircea_popescu;i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? )
1414722;1456352074;mircea_popescu;i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.
1414723;1456352079;asciilifeform;shi.
1414724;1456352088;mircea_popescu;whatever.
1414725;1456352102;pete_dushenski;brewster, danny did neobee
1414726;1456352129;asciilifeform;but i did not for a moment think that the muppets 'run the show'
1414727;1456352139;asciilifeform;just that they are handsomely rewarded for their muppetry.
1414728;1456352141;mircea_popescu;mno. there's the mysterious phtysic scammer in the pics that meanwhile disappeared, between "danny" and the schmucky head of the nicosia uni it dept.
1414729;1456352154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this thinking costs you nothing, so by all means.
1414730;1456352156;pete_dushenski;o that's right.
1414731;1456352172;mircea_popescu;anyone managed to fish out that thing yet, btw ?
1414732;1456352224;pete_dushenski;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/neobeestaff.jpg << ?
1414733;1456352225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLDiq9 )
1414734;1456352232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd conceivably walk around an epsilon less depressed if i learned that muppets have to do their muppetry in spare hours on the train, rather than relaxing in hammocks work-free. but nfi.
1414735;1456352251;trinque;I would like to hear an example of a scammer that was capable of holding onto capital.
1414736;1456352251;mircea_popescu;i doubt it'd help ya.
1414737;1456352257;pete_dushenski;http://www.goldnews.com.cy/assets/image/imagebig/neo-and-bee-occhio-lounge.jpg << another contender
1414738;1456352258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLDllX )
1414739;1456352274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiousity - why ?
1414740;1456352283;asciilifeform;*curiosity
1414741;1456352284;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not bad, but it's specifically from the lolference they organised.
1414742;1456352287;trinque;I find it far more likely that such a bent mind blows through whatever pile he amasses because he's as dishonest inwardly as outwardly
1414743;1456352319;asciilifeform;trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason
1414744;1456352347;pete_dushenski;http://www.avant-garde.com.cy/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/NS010073-1024x6821.jpg << ??
1414745;1456352348;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJAY3N )
1414746;1456352350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would it not help ? because you show systematic bias in very peculiar manner which experience with humans indicates to be coming from psychogenic source, which means that nothing may help except resolution of the respective psychological conflict.
1414747;1456352404;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nah, they were seated at a table, names in greek script on papers in front
1414748;1456352413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu isn't wrong here.
1414749;1456352420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00057725 = 22.9746 BTC [+] {3} 
1414750;1456352437;asciilifeform;i have never in entire life, since i can remember myself at 2 y.o., not been convinced that being other people isn't considerably more fun than being self.
1414751;1456352454;mircea_popescu;how about being a woman ?
1414752;1456352457;asciilifeform;but generally there is good logic behind this
1414753;1456352475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: them too
1414754;1456352480;asciilifeform;and animals, etc.
1414755;1456352504;mircea_popescu;how is being a woman more fun than being self ?
1414756;1456352506;asciilifeform;why asked specifically about women, out of curiosity
1414757;1456352532;mircea_popescu;what am i doing here, doing or teaching ?
1414758;1456352540;asciilifeform;hm
1414759;1456352548;asciilifeform;i have nfi. catch one and force it to be me for a spell then ask.
1414760;1456352559;asciilifeform;it will tell you which sucked moar.
1414761;1456352576;mircea_popescu;wait. wut ?
1414762;1456352579;asciilifeform;i do not know how to actually carry out this experiment.
1414763;1456352590;mircea_popescu;so it's more fun for you to be her or less fun for her to be you ?
1414764;1456352595;asciilifeform;all i can reveal is my strong intuition, like the feeling you have when you see a door that there is a volume behind it.
1414765;1456352725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55637 @ 0.00057021 = 31.7248 BTC [-] {4} 
1414766;1456352781;asciilifeform;i've never actually been other people, and so cannot satisfactorily answer mircea_popescu.
1414767;1456352792;asciilifeform;but if i devise a means of being other people, i promise to tell him how it went.
1414768;1456352832;mircea_popescu;lol. sounds like a bedtime story by now.
1414769;1456352928;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however.
1414770;1456352958;trinque;this notion of "if I were someone else" is exactly what I was addressing with "both you and he will die someday" ftr
1414771;1456352967;mircea_popescu;more like a you know, trophy point than anything.
1414772;1456352993;trinque;the war against metaphysical thinking is far greater than that against merely god
1414773;1456353014;trinque;not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing
1414774;1456353030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27543 @ 0.00057751 = 15.9064 BTC [+] {5} 
1414775;1456353134;trinque;mircea_popescu: I've not seen it addressed better than your from causes vs towards purpose
1414776;1456353157;mircea_popescu;doesn't even necessarily have to be a war.
1414777;1456353173;mircea_popescu;one doesn't have to go to war with the salt in order to stop oversalting his food to the point of inedibility.
1414778;1456353201;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << so pay-up-front flat-rate renting for undefined period of time ? this makes working of ethdapps look sane
1414779;1456353201;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
1414780;1456353239;*;trinque nods
1414781;1456353354;asciilifeform;who in his right mind would buy this ??
1414782;1456353390;trinque;someone who isn't pobre, clearly!
1414783;1456353398;pete_dushenski;kek
1414784;1456353458;pete_dushenski;and alf thought just ustards were materially wealthy without any culture worth the mention. look ! it's a worldwide sensation ! like justin bieber !
1414785;1456353528;asciilifeform;so gentlement, get a load of this:
1414786;1456353537;asciilifeform;i tried a commercial code walker thing, https://scitools.com
1414787;1456353539;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLGOko )
1414788;1456353550;asciilifeform;it claims to search for various vulns statically;
1414789;1456353562;asciilifeform;and so i feed it a (cleaned-up) mpi
1414790;1456353568;asciilifeform;and get http://imgur.com/a/FVoOb
1414791;1456353569;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLGTED )
1414792;1456353591;asciilifeform;do not look for the sense, because there is none
1414793;1456353605;asciilifeform;the tool's logic (based on 'clang'/llvm) is phucked.
1414794;1456353617;asciilifeform;*gentlemen
1414795;1456353657;asciilifeform;it shat out a great deal more of this, but i will not waste anybody's time with it.
1414796;1456353660;asciilifeform;this example will suffice.
1414797;1456353821;asciilifeform;oh and the thing also shits out flow graphs
1414798;1456353823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26926 @ 0.00057781 = 15.5581 BTC [+] {2} 
1414799;1456353828;asciilifeform;and they are just as terrible as solrodar's
1414800;1456353842;asciilifeform;(for the same reason. it uses clang/graphviz)
1414801;1456353858;asciilifeform;so, speaking of 'who buys this crud'
1414802;1456353946;mircea_popescu;doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins."
1414803;1456353982;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the argentines are fucktarded re money beyond what is comprehensible or readily imaginable. their idea essentially is "o you got sum ? gimme!"
1414804;1456353993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yer not supposed to eat the prison chess pieces, yknow
1414805;1456353996;mircea_popescu;5yo black valley girls from the ghetto or somesuch.
1414806;1456353996;asciilifeform;they aren't muffins.
1414807;1456353999;pete_dushenski;re muffins alt-butters, try zucchini
1414808;1456354008;asciilifeform;just bread crumbs glued with piss.
1414809;1456354022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that yellow snow ain't piss, my dear fellow.
1414810;1456354033;asciilifeform;no?
1414811;1456354040;mircea_popescu;piss dun glue. cum glues.
1414812;1456354047;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1414813;1456354067;asciilifeform;!s menstruade
1414814;1456354068;assbot;2 results for 'menstruade' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstruade
1414815;1456354077;asciilifeform;^ we had thread!
1414816;1456354079;*;pete_dushenski never makes banana bread w/o zucchini
1414817;1456354092;mircea_popescu;,ebbe worth a shot
1414818;1456354124;mircea_popescu;re the apts lulz : understand that the >4x price differential relates to a 40% surface area differential. somehow.
1414819;1456354142;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJcZ8lODttA << just loverly.
1414820;1456354143;assbot;Mendelssohn - Im Grünen (UniversitätsChor München) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvA9p0 )
1414821;1456354153;asciilifeform;again why would anyone pay for title-less real estate thing
1414822;1456354153;asciilifeform;?
1414823;1456354159;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1414824;1456354163;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: because families are rich
1414825;1456354164;mircea_popescu;but they do. i know this for a fact.
1414826;1456354186;mircea_popescu;i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.
1414827;1456354193;pete_dushenski;a husband and wife working are greater than the sum of their parts in argenmaths
1414828;1456354198;asciilifeform;and what, precisely, prevents the seller from selling it twice ?
1414829;1456354203;asciilifeform;let the 'buyers' fight, who 'bought' first.
1414830;1456354215;mircea_popescu;nope, nothing at all.
1414831;1456354222;mircea_popescu;"bankruptcies" are CONSTANT occurences.
1414832;1456354230;asciilifeform;at least in sov. 'kooperativ' apartment, there was paper.
1414833;1456354238;asciilifeform;and some centralized record that x paid for y.
1414834;1456354241;mircea_popescu;they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)
1414835;1456354255;mircea_popescu;they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc.
1414836;1456354271;asciilifeform;l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here.
1414837;1456354278;mircea_popescu;no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently.
1414838;1456354289;asciilifeform;waiwut
1414839;1456354290;mircea_popescu;i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems
1414840;1456354311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38645 @ 0.00057012 = 22.0323 BTC [-] {4} 
1414841;1456354351;mircea_popescu;lol wtf is this scitools thing lmao
1414842;1456354382;asciilifeform;i think my screenshit explains ?
1414843;1456354383;pete_dushenski;"not a single woman less" << exactly subject of last contravex. city here goes through whole charade trying to prevent bridge jumpers... off one one single bridge
1414844;1456354392;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ?
1414845;1456354392;pete_dushenski;*only one
1414846;1456354400;asciilifeform;you can readily see what it actually does.
1414847;1456354417;mircea_popescu;yeah but afais it doesn't do any of htre things claimed ?
1414848;1456354425;asciilifeform;(runs clang, produces fancy-looking nonsense. walk through the pictured branches, and see how it gives a martian result)
1414849;1456354439;asciilifeform;$1k+.
1414850;1456354459;pete_dushenski;why not just require 20' of barbed wire on top of all building >2 stories ? because it can't. still, "we tried" (tm)
1414851;1456354475;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing.
1414852;1456354486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this the chinese abortion thing?
1414853;1456354488;mircea_popescu;as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different
1414854;1456354501;mircea_popescu;nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows.
1414855;1456354508;mircea_popescu;for obvious reasons.
1414856;1456354534;pete_dushenski;menstruation is also outrageously biased, more anal-spikes needed to rectify this social crisis
1414857;1456354572;asciilifeform;am i missing some context here or what
1414858;1456354576;asciilifeform;wtf is 'femicide'
1414859;1456354582;mircea_popescu;the killing of women.
1414860;1456354584;pete_dushenski;orifice bleeding for everyone, a chicken in every oven !
1414861;1456354597;asciilifeform;where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting
1414862;1456354601;mircea_popescu;i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.
1414863;1456354614;mircea_popescu;nah, here it means something vague altogether.
1414864;1456354671;asciilifeform;who even gets clobbered in ar.
1414865;1456354682;asciilifeform;i realized that i have mostly nfi.
1414866;1456354736;mircea_popescu;i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.
1414867;1456354754;mircea_popescu;as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit.
1414868;1456354758;mircea_popescu;it's fucking offensive, is what it is.
1414869;1456354790;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process
1414870;1456354798;asciilifeform;and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important...
1414871;1456354800;asciilifeform;similarly
1414872;1456354830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like that yeah.
1414873;1456354868;mircea_popescu;actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch.
1414874;1456354878;mircea_popescu;best way to fix this shithole, really.
1414875;1456354882;asciilifeform;you would have to come up with some incentive, aha
1414876;1456354887;asciilifeform;because who otherwise would bother?
1414877;1456354899;asciilifeform;how much time does mircea_popescu personally spend with nags.
1414878;1456354903;pete_dushenski;catharsis, gets you off, like diddle her twat club
1414879;1456354915;pete_dushenski;charge $300 a visit
1414880;1456354937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout.
1414881;1456354944;asciilifeform;i believe it.
1414882;1456354953;asciilifeform;but how much time mircea_popescu spends beating'em
1414883;1456354953;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2016#1413592 << model
1414884;1456354953;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 16:44:07; danielpbarron: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/29968/1/blind-fingering-dates-are-london-s-latest-craze >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris.
1414885;1456354968;mircea_popescu;argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically.
1414886;1456354974;mircea_popescu;now they're too touchy-feely to put the foot down.
1414887;1456355025;pete_dushenski;bbiab - post oriffice beckons
1414888;1456355067;*;asciilifeform pictures pete_dushenski's postman grunting forth a capsule, with letter
1414889;1456355078;trinque;lol
1414890;1456355096;mircea_popescu;airmail ?
1414891;1456355097;asciilifeform;turns out he was posting from ru prison all this time...
1414892;1456355100;mircea_popescu;like in, say, brasil ?
1414893;1456355154;asciilifeform;aha.
1414894;1456355503;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room.
1414895;1456355503;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.
1414896;1456355531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00056803 = 29.0263 BTC [-]
1414897;1456355543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's it cost ~with~ title ?
1414898;1456355562;mircea_popescu;this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.
1414899;1456355580;mircea_popescu;(this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?)
1414900;1456355614;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts.
1414901;1456355616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa there exists, somehow, title on 'condominium' - but it is strange, you still have to pay 'service fee' that is quite similar to the cost of renting a flat
1414902;1456355620;asciilifeform;forever.
1414903;1456355653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53300 @ 0.00057785 = 30.7994 BTC [+] {3} 
1414904;1456355657;asciilifeform;ru has perfectly legit title on apt, in comparison.
1414905;1456355665;mircea_popescu;legit in what sense.
1414906;1456355667;asciilifeform;so it's a cement slab rather than earth.
1414907;1456355672;asciilifeform;but otherwise works similarly.
1414908;1456355683;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does it work similarly.
1414909;1456355705;asciilifeform;in the sense of being bought/sold, centrally registered, etc.
1414910;1456355736;mircea_popescu;ok, but title is about some important things. for instance : can't acquire title on good without egress.
1414911;1456355740;asciilifeform;it is no more odd than american land titles, that come 'without mineral rights'
1414912;1456355753;mircea_popescu;consequently, splits of property are required to include servitudes on the outer plots.
1414913;1456355767;asciilifeform;in usa this is called 'easement'
1414914;1456355768;asciilifeform;but yes
1414915;1456355776;mircea_popescu;well how's this work on condominium ?
1414916;1456355784;asciilifeform;they typically have independent doors.
1414917;1456355791;asciilifeform;and a collectively-owned staircase.
1414918;1456355798;mircea_popescu;so then... lol.
1414919;1456355831;asciilifeform;btw remember m. heevemeyer ?
1414920;1456355835;mircea_popescu;notrly ?
1414921;1456355835;asciilifeform;of 'killdozer' fame ?
1414922;1456355839;asciilifeform;!s killdozer
1414923;1456355839;assbot;7 results for 'killdozer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=killdozer
1414924;1456355846;mircea_popescu;o.O
1414925;1456355854;asciilifeform;adjacent holders managed to box him in on his land, without egress
1414926;1456355863;asciilifeform;so he built the bulldozer.
1414927;1456355867;mircea_popescu;lol
1414928;1456355885;asciilifeform;he was the original, arguably greatest, joe stack
1414929;1456355897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00057787 = 13.7533 BTC [+]
1414930;1456355907;mircea_popescu;and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall".
1414931;1456355932;asciilifeform;we have this with ordinary land here in usaschwitz
1414932;1456355933;jurov;here from law follows that you really own only air between the walls in a condo
1414933;1456355935;mircea_popescu;"also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!"
1414934;1456355950;asciilifeform;'i want to farm.' 'sorry no pigs allowed in this town'
1414935;1456355963;mircea_popescu;yeah but this is why sanew people do not own real estate in the ustardia.
1414936;1456355969;asciilifeform;quite a few american titles are encumbered in one way or another
1414937;1456355980;asciilifeform;e.g., there is a cable easement
1414938;1456355986;asciilifeform;(it is there but not yours to cut)
1414939;1456355999;asciilifeform;and in most countries one is not permitted to erect an antiaircraft battery
1414940;1456356008;asciilifeform;even with supposedly 'sane' titles.
1414941;1456356020;mircea_popescu;except in the us - quite a lot of legal precedent re spite spikes
1414942;1456356025;mircea_popescu;(aircraft-invisible metal poles)
1414943;1456356055;asciilifeform;link?
1414944;1456356071;asciilifeform;;;google spite spike
1414945;1456356071;mircea_popescu;hmm, lessee
1414946;1456356072;gribble;Spite and Malice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Rant: Spike's Spite over the Oscar nominations | KFOR.com: ; Rules of Card Games: Spite and Malice: 
1414947;1456356167;mircea_popescu;https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19490429&id=QelOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6318,5416127&hl=en
1414948;1456356168;assbot;Toledo Blade - Google News Archive Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdsMb5 )
1414949;1456356169;mircea_popescu;lots of these.
1414950;1456356208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like it is what i said earlier
1414951;1456356212;asciilifeform;title does not extend up.
1414952;1456356217;mircea_popescu;aha
1414953;1456356220;asciilifeform;(i know of no country where it does)
1414954;1456356225;mircea_popescu;but it took like 50 years'; wrangling to sort out
1414955;1456356229;mircea_popescu;in the us peculiarly.
1414956;1456356249;asciilifeform;and much, much earlier, they invented the idiocy of 'mineral rights'
1414957;1456356254;asciilifeform;which was precedent enough.
1414958;1456356260;mircea_popescu;why is this idiocy ?
1414959;1456356271;mircea_popescu;you know anything of the history of the industrialization of the west ?
1414960;1456356276;mircea_popescu;over the dead bodies of ranchers
1414961;1456356276;asciilifeform;sure.
1414962;1456356322;asciilifeform;but i will say, if mircea_popescu laughs at the condo title owner, who doesn't have right to demolish the walls or drill through the floor, how is this situation any different from the rancher who does not own the oil ?
1414963;1456356367;mircea_popescu;nothing keeps you from buying WITH the rights.
1414964;1456356377;asciilifeform;the condo corp.'s claim to prevent my drilling of the walls at least makes some kind of physical sense
1414965;1456356382;mircea_popescu;just because two items are separated to ease commerce does you no harm. buy them togetrher.
1414966;1456356390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are typically not available.
1414967;1456356395;mircea_popescu;yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect.
1414968;1456356399;mircea_popescu;ofcourse they are.
1414969;1456356408;asciilifeform;not in the typical american residential sector.
1414970;1456356417;asciilifeform;no 'suburb' will permit drilling.
1414971;1456356426;mircea_popescu;and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title
1414972;1456356434;asciilifeform;this is a 'distinction without difference'
1414973;1456356458;asciilifeform;it is 'available' like toilet paper was in '92 su.
1414974;1456356467;mircea_popescu;hey, don't blame the hammer because idiots stick it up their ass. we already discussed the "inane collective rulesets" thing above.
1414975;1456356470;asciilifeform;yes, if you see it in the shop, and grab it first, it costs 0.10 rub.
1414976;1456356471;mircea_popescu;it does not color this discussion.
1414977;1456356492;asciilifeform;so in what sense is the reconstruction available.
1414978;1456356523;mircea_popescu;in the legal sense.
1414979;1456356523;asciilifeform;the mineral rights are with the city, or the original developer of the street, who won't part with them even for maxint.
1414980;1456356535;asciilifeform;similarly to how the allodial title is with usg, who won't let it go.
1414981;1456356642;asciilifeform;we have many fictions like this in usa.
1414982;1456356659;asciilifeform;for instance, for many years, possession of marijuana etc. was a ... tax offense.
1414983;1456356669;asciilifeform;usg theoretically demanded a tax stamp.
1414984;1456356676;asciilifeform;that it would not actually sell to anyone, for any price.
1414985;1456356700;asciilifeform;this was practiced until a proper ban was passed (iirc 1950s) and the trick deemed no longer necessary.
1414986;1456356733;BingoBoingo; and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important... << http://qntra.net/2015/11/bull-farmer-killed-in-shootout-while-protecting-life/
1414987;1456356734;assbot;Bull Farmer Killed in Shootout While Protecting Life | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCr4S )
1414988;1456356737;asciilifeform;but it is how usg leveraged its original tax collection powers to ... being what it is today.
1414989;1456356826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: realize that most u.s. folk have never even seen a bull, likely.
1414990;1456356833;asciilifeform;and the places where they can be seen, may as well be mars.
1414991;1456356845;BingoBoingo;Only in your dismal swamp
1414992;1456356860;asciilifeform;no coast dweller, to first approximation, knows or gives so much as a spoonful of shit what happens in the places where one may meet with bulls.
1414993;1456356881;asciilifeform;i say this as statement of (afaik) fact, not judgement.
1414994;1456356941;asciilifeform;where was mircea_popescu's article on the countryside.
1414995;1456356960;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute
1414996;1456356961;assbot;Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCIoo )
1414997;1456356964;BingoBoingo; and a collectively-owned staircase. << Also collectively metered water
1414998;1456356983;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not always.
1414999;1456356989;mircea_popescu;what they still do that in the states ?!
1415000;1456356992;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ?
1415001;1456357004;asciilifeform;modern buildouts typically have separate meters.
1415002;1456357117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00057787 = 5.6631 BTC [+]
1415003;1456357144;mircea_popescu;and in butt-er news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f4f0470b50e3fe8bfaba9cda6483fbca/tumblr_ngi12dxC2Y1r6t3vno1_1280.jpg
1415004;1456357145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LGCTQC )
1415005;1456357241;BingoBoingo;Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk
1415006;1456357727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00057281 = 9.7378 BTC [-] {2} 
1415007;1456358891;BingoBoingo;!up raedah
1415008;1456358892;BingoBoingo;!up nubbins`
1415009;1456358924;BingoBoingo;Studious ignoring continues https://archive.is/wDJfV
1415010;1456358925;assbot;Silk Road 2.0 Case Confirms FBI And CMU Tor Attack Collaboration : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qz4nJ4 )
1415011;1456358988;mircea_popescu;aww
1415012;1456359215;mircea_popescu;hey DreadKnight am i gonna see you in eulora at some point ?
1415013;1456359327;mircea_popescu;"Among other items, the
1415014;1456359328;mircea_popescu;governments disclosures included information regarding the funding and structure
1415015;1456359328;mircea_popescu;relationship between SEI and DOD, as well as directing the defendant to publicly
1415016;1456359328;mircea_popescu;available materials regarding the Tor network."
1415017;1456359328;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1415018;1456359374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21473 @ 0.00057787 = 12.4086 BTC [+]
1415019;1456359410;mircea_popescu;"In Forrester, the court clearly enunciated that: Internet users have no expectation of privacy in the IP address of the websites they visit because they should know that this information is provided to and used by Internet service providers for the specific purpose of directing the routing of information." <<< except the ip of the "website they used" has exactly nothing to do with anything.
1415020;1456359413;mircea_popescu;what is this guy, a shoe ?
1415021;1456359435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30827 @ 0.00057808 = 17.8205 BTC [+]
1415022;1456359452;mircea_popescu;"Again, according to the parties submissions, such a submission is made despite the understanding communicated by the Tor Project that the Tor network has vulnerabilities and that users might not remain anonymous." o oops, forgot to say "according to information first, and to date only published on trilema, [...]".
1415023;1456359481;mircea_popescu;decent lulz.
1415024;1456359613;BingoBoingo;In other news, Obama's librarian of congress pick is pro hobo piss https://archive.is/3nF0j
1415025;1456359614;assbot;Access Agenda for All Libraries | Offices of the American Library Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qfs6Cs )
1415026;1456359629;BingoBoingo;!up AaronvanW_
1415027;1456360085;mod6;good evening
1415028;1456360158;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ? << In relation to the contest? I'm good with Cramer-Shoup.
1415029;1456360199;mircea_popescu;the idea being that i announced a contest, haven't seen much in the way of submissions, ima award the 10 btc prize to alf for an implementation of a c-s derivative.
1415030;1456360210;mircea_popescu;the idea is to not do this too rushedly, but also to not delay pointlessly.
1415031;1456360255;mod6;Right.
1415032;1456360349;mod6;I'm kinda torn, I want us to move forward with 'g', so Cramer-Shoup fits the bill for sure.  On the other hand, I'd like to think that over a long interval we might see some interesting submissions eventually.
1415033;1456360478;mircea_popescu;how long has it been anyway, a month yet ?
1415034;1456360522;mod6;no, not even. posted feb 4th.
1415035;1456360533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00057281 = 4.697 BTC [-]
1415036;1456360746;mod6;Perhaps this:  Implement with Cramer-Shoup, and if the implementation is finalized before any worthy submissions come to us, then end the contest and pay the btc to alf?
1415037;1456360766;mod6;That way we don't wait, but we don't slam the door yet either.
1415038;1456360769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how dja feel about waiting till march 4th ?
1415039;1456360799;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414888 << capsule today, rsa pill tomorrow
1415040;1456360799;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 23:04:27; *: asciilifeform pictures pete_dushenski's postman grunting forth a capsule, with letter
1415041;1456360876;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414933 << can turn of heat to unit via thermostat, but if pipes freeze (in arctic at least), owner liable for damage to other units from flooding if pipes burst
1415042;1456360876;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 23:18:55; mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!"
1415043;1456360996;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski gotta appreciate, most of these soviet arrangements were built atop "free" waste heat from the heavy industrial plants the dormitory- cities were made to feed anyway.
1415044;1456361023;mircea_popescu;once that went away, "city" took over heat generation. except it's impossible to run a thing made to WASTE HEAT efficiently
1415045;1456361033;mircea_popescu;so people weren't too keen to pay the city when there were cheap gas based wall units they could install instead.
1415046;1456361039;mircea_popescu;these wars raged for decade+
1415047;1456361047;pete_dushenski;aha. parents' penthouse has no heating, just waste heat from 19 stories underneath. this is 'innovative' in the usual soviet sense i guess.
1415048;1456361067;pete_dushenski;only turn on fireplaces at -20c. otherwise, no need.
1415049;1456361148;pete_dushenski;http://www.prairiedesignawards.com/images/2012_sp_newcambridge_1.jpg << multicoloured cube in question.
1415050;1456361151;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VFvgj8 )
1415051;1456361176;BingoBoingo;Beef Up lol 192.69.254.160
1415052;1456361184;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Moidh5E.jpg
1415053;1456361185;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VFvmXY )
1415054;1456361252;pete_dushenski;hahaha
1415055;1456361396;BingoBoingo;appologies for spurious IP address, was in the spam filter feed tube
1415056;1456361533;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1415005 << probably limited time offer. land developers are in a nasty habit of this atm. i've even seen "we guarantee that you'll be able to rent out your new suite for $1500 per month for the first 2 years. buy now!" in an attempt to sucker in would-be first-time landlords
1415057;1456361533;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 23:40:41; BingoBoingo: Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk
1415058;1456361562;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, established couple decade old places, but also cheap water
1415059;1456361586;pete_dushenski;ah thought this was new construction. nvm.
1415060;1456361608;BingoBoingo;Nah water here almost universally tends to be metered on a per building basis
1415061;1456361709;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Obese Argentine Manatee and other tales of bloody vaginal discharge. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-obese-argentine-manatee-and-other-tales-of-bloody-vaginal-discharge/
1415062;1456361896;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: you gotta consider at least once, but often several times a year too much water is a problem in this region. Maybe once every 5-10 years driety is problematic.
1415063;1456361948;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the botero museum in bogota is mega-recommended if you're ever out exploring the rest of your continent :)
1415064;1456362014;BingoBoingo;Reddit gets murried https://archive.is/XpIaY
1415065;1456362017;assbot;Throw_it_all_away_99 comments on Redditors who are now married because you didn't know how to break up with your significant other, how is that going for you? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qfv61C )
1415066;1456362116;mircea_popescu;with thanks to BingoBoingo for his log lulz.
1415067;1456362218;BingoBoingo;you're welcome
1415068;1456363080;mircea_popescu;also http://45.media.tumblr.com/c264906e47af207e7f2e78f841af15a3/tumblr_nnljr8Xw1W1rl9p9mo1_500.gif
1415069;1456363082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QfvVYp )
1415070;1456364337;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415038 << i suggest that it is done 1) no earlier than 4th 2) no earlier than working cramershouptron is posted 5) paid not to my earthly carcass but to snsa piggy - under whose flag it will be published.
1415071;1456364337;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 00:39:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how dja feel about waiting till march 4th ?
1415072;1456364337;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1415073;1456364422;asciilifeform;and i would secretly love to be proven wrong, and for an actual cryptographer to exist, and show up, flying on jet pack, and show a scientifically-founded blockcipher for us.
1415074;1456364425;asciilifeform;but i do not expect this.
1415075;1456364533;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415029 << i am actually very ambivalent about recommending an integer field arithm cipher for use as block cipher on a conventional pc. for one thing, we will have transfer rates measured in kb/sec (if we're lucky.) for another, extreme side channel danger, because we're branching-on-secrets. for a third, entropy starvation.
1415076;1456364533;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 00:29:59; mircea_popescu: the idea being that i announced a contest, haven't seen much in the way of submissions, ima award the 10 btc prize to alf for an implementation of a c-s derivative.
1415077;1456364585;asciilifeform;i will do it, but strictly because i do not presently perceive an alternative to exist.
1415078;1456364637;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415052 << l0l, looks like classic nazi polizei from caricatures
1415079;1456364637;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 00:46:24; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Moidh5E.jpg
1415080;1456364744;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415044 << over here, they run, e.g., university campus heat, off the exhaust of (natural gas) electric turbine.
1415081;1456364744;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 00:43:43; mircea_popescu: once that went away, "city" took over heat generation. except it's impossible to run a thing made to WASTE HEAT efficiently
1415082;1456365296;asciilifeform;'ah the delicate je ne se quoi pizda ma-tii of a French newspaper' << ahahahaha
1415083;1456365298;*;asciilifeform falls down
1415084;1456365413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00057849 = 8.3013 BTC [+]
1415085;1456365682;asciilifeform;http://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2015/12/09/620202-finlyandiya-550-evro << finland 'plans to pay all adult citizens 550 eu. independently of all other income; the sum will not be taxed. in return, the finns will have to disclaim all other government benefits, which add up, on average, to 600 eu., but no greater than 1500' (????) 'the government will ... consider this idea in nov. 2016 ... ... right now, it is unprofi
1415086;1456365684;assbot;ВЕДОМОСТИ - Финляндия может начать выплачивать всем взрослым гражданам 550 евро в месяц ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvTgPK )
1415087;1456365684;asciilifeform;table for many finns to take up temporary and low-paying work ...' etc etc
1415088;1456365721;asciilifeform;^ related to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2016#1413495
1415089;1456365721;assbot;Logged on 23-02-2016 08:51:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2016#1413406 << basically us "college" chumpatron still experimenting with "what's the lowest qty of candy bar we give the cattle to keep getting the sweet sweet usg funds for them. like, out of the 100k per capita we get in fed funny money, what's the least we could dole out to the maggots in whose name the whole scheme is run ? maybe -100`000 in paper and $
1415090;1456365903;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski ought to have opened up his rental business in fi !
1415091;1456365917;asciilifeform;where soon landlords will be able to raise all rents by 550 eu...
1415092;1456366255;asciilifeform;in other noose,
1415093;1456366266;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-012-014.pdf << usg expels crapple's atty. on a technicality
1415094;1456366279;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al ^
1415095;1456366917;mod6;trinque: hey, when you get a chance, can you deed bot this for me? http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh for me with the same name?
1415096;1456366918;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )
1415097;1456366933;asciilifeform;in really not-newz,
1415098;1456366934;mod6;thanks in advance.
1415099;1456366939;asciilifeform;'US troops often demonstrated poor litter discipline, discarding all manner of trash, damaged gear and clothing, expended batteries, and more. Much of this was of use to the VC, and they would collect such materials after a unit moved on.'
1415100;1456366970;asciilifeform;(from 'vietname infantry tactics', l. rottman, osprey pub. co., 2011)
1415101;1456366974;asciilifeform;*vietnam
1415102;1456367177;BingoBoingo;In further studious ignoring https://archive.is/srltS and https://archive.is/wBZwE
1415103;1456367178;assbot;Silk Road 2.0 Case Confirms FBI And CMU Tor Attack Collaboration : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvVHSD )
1415104;1456367179;assbot;DarkNetMarkets: A Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvVHSH )
1415105;1456367236;asciilifeform;snore.
1415106;1456367552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24830 @ 0.00057801 = 14.352 BTC [-] {2} 
1415107;1456367558;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b88
1415108;1456367591;asciilifeform;l0l virtually even again.
1415109;1456367674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00057851 = 24.7024 BTC [+] {2} 
1415110;1456367808;asciilifeform;'Like other armies the Germans emplaced booby traps to catch unwary souvenir-hunters, but they also used them to cause casualties among Allied small-unit leaders by locating them in possible command post and observation post sites. One example of this was to conceal a booby trap behind a framed picture left hanging crooked on an interior wall of a house: the Germans reasoned that only an officer would be irritated enough to bo
1415111;1456367808;asciilifeform;ther with straightening the picture.' -- 'ww2 axis booby traps.'
1415112;1456367832;BingoBoingo;Maybe this is the Google AlphaBitBetBot
1415113;1456368345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057852 = 5.4381 BTC [+]
1415114;1456368894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00057726 = 34.2892 BTC [-]
1415115;1456369074;asciilifeform;!up thestringpuller
1415116;1456369089;asciilifeform;hm
1415117;1456369368;BingoBoingo;!t m x.eur
1415118;1456369369;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00263573 / 0.0026425 / 0.00266872 (405 shares, 1.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00253517 / 0.00260204 / 0.00266872 (4083 shares, 10.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00278179 / 0.00332476 (9327 shares, 25.95 BTC)
1415119;1456369378;BingoBoingo;!up thestringpuller
1415120;1456369390;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am confused
1415121;1456369404;deedbot-;[Qntra] Software Company Shuttered By Trade Dispute - http://qntra.net/2016/02/software-company-shuttered-by-trade-dispute/
1415122;1456369589;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe this is the slowly stress you into an inclanation towards insanity phase of your DeHarting?
1415123;1456369687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00057726 = 26.7849 BTC [-]
1415124;1456370175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what, so s.nsa makes a profit out of your proposal ?
1415125;1456370286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey why not...
1415126;1456370324;mircea_popescu;i guess it's assignable like anything else...
1415127;1456370326;mircea_popescu;aite then
1415128;1456370328;asciilifeform;seems like the Right Thing.
1415129;1456370568;mircea_popescu;mod6 enjoy!
1415130;1456370583;BingoBoingo;S.NSA get revenue BEFORE cardano ships would be a headline
1415131;1456370650;asciilifeform; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-11-2015#1319536 << see also.
1415132;1456370650;assbot;Logged on 07-11-2015 23:34:52; asciilifeform: 'no need have i of mercy, / no need have i of laurels, / but let me have a rifle, / and let me have a horse, / and if i chance to perish, / let my red platoonmates, / let my red platoonmates,/ make'em pay, of course.'
1415133;1456370663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23019 @ 0.00057726 = 13.2879 BTC [-]
1415134;1456370697;mircea_popescu;in other news, french chief poof is visiting buenos aires
1415135;1456370980;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/ << epic
1415136;1456370981;assbot;BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 37.45 B (50%) on Yes, 37.65 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 49`852 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsN9gt )
1415137;1456370987;mircea_popescu;might be one of the closest bets in bitbet history
1415138;1456371153;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't get it, derpy windows-based, closed source dvd copy thing ?
1415139;1456371229;mircea_popescu;https://torrentfreak.com/slysoft-dvd-ripper-owner-found-guilty-in-criminal-action-140403/ related.
1415140;1456371230;assbot;Slysoft DVD Ripper Owner Found Guilty in Criminal Action - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMoyrc )
1415141;1456371234;BingoBoingo;DVD/bluDVD copy thing drew a bunch of USG aggro. Derpy thorn in copyrasta's sides but still a thorn. One of the longest running "legit" ones.
1415142;1456371288;asciilifeform;who the everloving fuck ~buys~ dvdrip proggy?!
1415143;1456371294;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1415144;1456371300;BingoBoingo;Kim Dotcom sorta situation where until appeals go through it persisted, but suddenly collapsed before appeal
1415145;1456371317;BingoBoingo;Who used megaupload? derps
1415146;1456371385;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415122 << ah, if only BingoBoingo knew...
1415147;1456371385;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 03:06:29; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe this is the slowly stress you into an inclanation towards insanity phase of your DeHarting?
1415148;1456371393;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks Sir. :]
1415149;1456371393;mircea_popescu;[The Antiguan legal victory] gives us a concrete decision to take to others who facilitate SlySoft and their business. We can say to those who do business with them: This is an illegal activity, AACSs lawyer added.
1415150;1456371409;*;asciilifeform went deep behind the lines yesterday
1415151;1456371453;mircea_popescu;more\s the case - the endless list of us derpage gives us a list of concrete violations to take to those who facilitate the activities of the international crime syndicate. we can say to these people : the us is a rogue state. you further their conspiracies at your personal risk.
1415152;1456371481;asciilifeform;wtf even happens in antigua other than spamcorp registration..?
1415153;1456371491;mircea_popescu;i dunno, never been there.
1415154;1456371541;asciilifeform;afaik it is sorta like, e.g., tokelau
1415155;1456371551;asciilifeform;exists solely for spam.
1415156;1456371568;asciilifeform;otherwise would appear on no map.
1415157;1456372462;mod6;jurov: test worked with just a regular clearsigned message.
1415158;1456372554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00057389 = 3.2425 BTC [-]
1415159;1456372688;mircea_popescu;and in even more other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/173588322d445d2b59ce0572a36c6298/tumblr_nhqf0lTVs81sfkfqio1_500.gif
1415160;1456372690;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KMr5S3 )
1415161;1456372819;asciilifeform;moooo
1415162;1456373347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.0005718 = 3.4365 BTC [-] {2} 
1415163;1456373408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10990 @ 0.00056931 = 6.2567 BTC [-]
1415164;1456373896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00057389 = 22.726 BTC [+]
1415165;1456375299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35670 @ 0.00056931 = 20.3073 BTC [-]
1415166;1456375649;BingoBoingo;!up okcupidslut
1415167;1456377078;mod6;!up ben_vulpes
1415168;1456379005;BingoBoingo;!up okcupidslut
1415169;1456379813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42111 @ 0.00057857 = 24.3642 BTC [+] {3} 
1415170;1456381537;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415142 << there is no open-source equivalent. last time I checked.
1415171;1456381537;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 03:34:48; asciilifeform: who the everloving fuck ~buys~ dvdrip proggy?!
1415172;1456381597;punkman;it handled all kinds of DRM and related crapolade
1415173;1456381701;BingoBoingo;!up Chicago
1415174;1456381899;punkman;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B
1415175;1456381900;assbot;BD+ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwhCJk )
1415176;1456382131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73525 @ 0.00057861 = 42.5423 BTC [+]
1415177;1456382192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40225 @ 0.00057867 = 23.277 BTC [+] {3} 
1415178;1456382468;punkman;no open-source alternatives, and from a quick search, seems like no proprietary alternatives either, unless you only need a subset of the functionality.
1415179;1456382519;punkman;disc pirates can only get around some DRM schemes by finding discs that don't have it.
1415180;1456382745;punkman;maybe S.NSA should sell AlfDVD sometime in the future ;)
1415181;1456383535;punkman;I'd also buy shares in S.SLY if it was a thing
1415182;1456383961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21072 @ 0.00057016 = 12.0144 BTC [-]
1415183;1456384123;punkman;BingoBoingo: http://blog.kraken.com/post/139514011237/kraken-announces-significant-progress-in-mtgox
1415184;1456384124;assbot;Kraken Bitcoin Exchange — Kraken Announces Significant Progress In MtGox... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rph9x2 )
1415185;1456384217;punkman;oh wait that was last week
1415186;1456384217;ben_vulpes;> 24,733 people around the world have filed bankruptcy claims related to the MtGox exchange
1415187;1456384238;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.35053338 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b116
1415188;1456384277;BingoBoingo;punkman: Also they stole hanbot's pirateat40 joke for their exchange name
1415189;1456384961;ben_vulpes;aww i missed the cascadian-hunting ok cupid slut!
1415190;1456385600;punkman;http://www.inbali.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-girls-school-in-1941.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3Qbdisz.jpg
1415191;1456385602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UmwaT8 )
1415192;1456385603;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UmwaTa )
1415193;1456385669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0005721 = 15.8472 BTC [+] {2} 
1415194;1456385778;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414470 << i am categorically unqualified to opine on this
1415195;1456385778;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 19:50:12; mircea_popescu: well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ?
1415196;1456385808;ben_vulpes;why ask a yoke-fly anything?
1415197;1456388170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7128 @ 0.00057541 = 4.1015 BTC [+]
1415198;1456388231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50672 @ 0.00057869 = 29.3234 BTC [+]
1415199;1456388248;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00100000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b90
1415200;1456389939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10817 @ 0.00057869 = 6.2597 BTC [+]
1415201;1456390000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13433 @ 0.00057883 = 7.7754 BTC [+]
1415202;1456393721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47025 @ 0.00057301 = 26.9458 BTC [-] {2} 
1415203;1456395429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15791 @ 0.00057207 = 9.0336 BTC [-]
1415204;1456399089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3275 @ 0.00057277 = 1.8758 BTC [+]
1415205;1456400736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00057887 = 21.5919 BTC [+] {4} 
1415206;1456403073;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo upping all the sluts
1415207;1456403213;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> punkman: Also they stole hanbot's pirateat40 joke for their exchange name << 24`733 people around the world tried to run off with shit and it still didn't work for them.
1415208;1456403266;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> i am categorically unqualified to opine on this << wasn't a matter of cryptography, merely of you know, "what's reasonable management of contest"
1415209;1456403351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415190 << you know, back when bali was actually a thing, and actually worth going to. as opposed to "yet another ustard strip mall", which... seriously who the fuck wants to go tourist in those ? and if they wanted to, why not just go to disneyworld and be done with it.
1415210;1456403351;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 07:33:20; punkman: http://www.inbali.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/A-girls-school-in-1941.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3Qbdisz.jpg
1415211;1456404056;shinohai;"The mircea_popescu school for third-world sluts"
1415212;1456404109;mircea_popescu;more like japanese basic literacy school for islanders.
1415213;1456404194;mircea_popescu;note however the incidence of decent boobs in the population. out of 8 visible, 3 or 4 are miserable, 3 or 4 are acceptable, 2 or 3 pretty good actually.
1415214;1456404201;mircea_popescu;i call this the mp rule of tit thirds.
1415215;1456404316;mircea_popescu;and we know for a fact that the tits ~were~ a major factor in the academic performance of these girls, because the better boobs (with maybe one exception) agglomerate at the front and between the teachers.
1415216;1456404373;mircea_popescu;the temptation to presume this somehow invalidates the curriculum and teachers' approach however is not necessarily warranted. it may be that women with better tits are simply better women overall, which includes both an ability and an interest in learning.
1415217;1456404871;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415174. << cracking the disk crypto is 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel'. the hdmi copyprptection key leaked eons ago, just pick the frames up on the other end of the tv cable,  emitted by an official player!
1415218;1456404871;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 06:31:39; punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B
1415219;1456404920;mircea_popescu;nevertheless fun.
1415220;1456404968;*;asciilifeform not an aficionado of ultra-highres fi
1415221;1456404974;asciilifeform;lm
1415222;1456405048;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415216 << 'big-G' (or 'generalized fitness factor') hypothesis
1415223;1456405048;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 12:46:13; mircea_popescu: the temptation to presume this somehow invalidates the curriculum and teachers' approach however is not necessarily warranted. it may be that women with better tits are simply better women overall, which includes both an ability and an interest in learning.
1415224;1456405059;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had the thread
1415225;1456405071;asciilifeform;with, e.g., myelin.
1415226;1456405101;mircea_popescu;aha
1415227;1456405146;asciilifeform;'how ~little~ sand in the developmental gears'
1415228;1456405189;mircea_popescu;it's not too hard to discover that small tits and annoying, nagging, deeply insecure personality correlate quite well in practice, and so the historical male preference for big tits that actually drove the monstrous mamomegalia that principally distinguishes us from monkeys could well be rather explainable.
1415229;1456405257;mircea_popescu;(and yes - it's not "the ability to communicate", as early darwinists thought, out of their inclination towards pious frauds to favour socialism, that distinguishes us from animals. nor is it "an ability to make and use tools", as the 50s folk retreated to in desperation. no, none of that - just this, that our females have tits so deeply disproportionate to their bodies it is unseen in nature. CIVILISATION!)
1415230;1456405267;asciilifeform;possibly reversed causation here
1415231;1456405272;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1415232;1456405291;mircea_popescu;but the fact remains that if i am examining the photo data from foreign planet with life on it,
1415233;1456405307;mircea_popescu;ima try to identify the mammaries  and pick the species with the largest ones as a candidate for intelligence.
1415234;1456405311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29240 @ 0.00057547 = 16.8267 BTC [-]
1415235;1456405523;mircea_popescu;(this, for any deeply insecure personalities that may be reading the logs, does neither say that big is good thus therefore bigger is necessarily better, nor does it propose that there can't be a "big enough". so simmer down.)
1415236;1456405607;asciilifeform;l0l
1415237;1456405730;mircea_popescu;with great power&fame comes great responsibility, eh.
1415238;1456405992;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415217 this is a poor approximation of decrypting the disk. doesn't it mean capture time equals video length? what about alt audio tracks, subtitles, etc? Perhaps inconsequential, but things like Cinavia would persist in captured video.
1415239;1456405992;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 12:54:31; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415174. << cracking the disk crypto is 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel'. the hdmi copyprptection key leaked eons ago, just pick the frames up on the other end of the tv cable,  emitted by an official player!
1415240;1456406022;asciilifeform;so?
1415241;1456406036;asciilifeform;how many times it is done ?
1415242;1456406046;asciilifeform;1 per disk
1415243;1456406105;mircea_popescu;lulzy bullshit a la cinavia is trivially defeated if you care to, irrespective of how the material was obtained.
1415244;1456406113;mircea_popescu;and if you don't care to, well... you didn't care to.
1415245;1456406186;mircea_popescu;(prolly not worth caring to, afaik the only utility of "NN"/"AI" image recognition to date is to recognize films)
1415246;1456406203;asciilifeform;and why even
1415247;1456406207;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1415248;1456406216;asciilifeform;don't buy the boobytrapped player
1415249;1456406223;asciilifeform;problem solved.
1415250;1456406241;mircea_popescu;even better : don't use any electronics with closed bullshit. what, can't play on computor ?
1415251;1456406249;asciilifeform;aha!
1415252;1456406281;asciilifeform;and, as i said, capture the frames.
1415253;1456406284;mircea_popescu;i've never bought any of the non-computing computer crap since the fucking 90s. which includes no fucking playstation, no "analog video camera" no bs.
1415254;1456406295;punkman;sure, I don't watch dvds or blu-rays. but you were asking who would buy these things
1415255;1456406310;mircea_popescu;(and yes, my despise of laptops and crapple-ade is well grounded in this strategic choice made 25 years ago. if it is not programmable i am not buying it!)
1415256;1456406326;mircea_popescu;punkman he was ? who the fuck cares about the consumer here that i may negrate him!
1415257;1456406338;mircea_popescu;fucking heresy.
1415258;1456406410;asciilifeform;i still don't get why i oughta care about megahighres film disk.
1415259;1456406435;asciilifeform;other than to help sink the enemy.
1415260;1456406456;mircea_popescu;!s 700mb
1415261;1456406456;assbot;4 results for '700mb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=700mb
1415262;1456406467;punkman;no reason you should care. but people that buy these disks cared about anydvd.
1415263;1456406470;mircea_popescu;SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOIR ANY FILM
1415264;1456406485;punkman;nah fuck fixed size and constant bitrate
1415265;1456406494;mircea_popescu;seriously, if you can't paint a canvas within 10x10, or if you can't tell your story in 700mb, you've got other problems than painting or making movies.
1415266;1456406516;asciilifeform;idk, 17 moments of spring
1415267;1456406518;punkman;I've started downloading x265 releases when I can find them, they are pretty great
1415268;1456406522;asciilifeform;was mega-film
1415269;1456406553;mircea_popescu;punkman do you actually watch these or just collect them ?
1415270;1456406556;asciilifeform;but it works fine on a pile of 700m disks
1415271;1456406566;punkman;jus the things I watch
1415272;1456406566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1415273;1456406568;asciilifeform;1 per episode
1415274;1456406593;mircea_popescu;also seinfeld is like 300 hours or some shit.
1415275;1456406610;mircea_popescu;but, tv format, who cares, you can push it into one cd per season.
1415276;1456406640;mircea_popescu;that's the other thing you know, every other derp here that i ever visit has bought a huge tv, oft times at a cost that compares to that of his car.
1415277;1456406650;punkman;on the hdmi/hdcp side: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/warner-bros-sues-hd-fury-over-boxes-that-can-copy-4k-video/
1415278;1456406652;assbot;Warner Bros. sues “HD Fury” over boxes that can copy 4k video | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1TAMj6C )
1415279;1456406653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00057547 = 10.5023 BTC [-] {2} 
1415280;1456406653;mircea_popescu;and on it... they watch dumbass 2nd hand us sitcoms and mexican tv productions.
1415281;1456406656;asciilifeform;this always melted my brain.
1415282;1456406671;mircea_popescu;TOTALLY worth seeing random schmuck doing nothing in 7k px
1415283;1456406717;punkman;I'm fine with 720p or less
1415284;1456406726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly i think it's nest building. dudes have discovered that the way to attract washed up ex-whores in family mode is to fill the fridge and mega-tv-couch arrangement.
1415285;1456406741;asciilifeform;l0l!
1415286;1456406742;mircea_popescu;WHY thefuck would someone WANT one of these is beyond the scope of this article, or my capacity to reason.
1415287;1456406772;asciilifeform;same reason folks eat from garbage bin?
1415288;1456406782;asciilifeform;no alternative?
1415289;1456406790;mircea_popescu;but more than on one occasion i could tell the 30-something year old's past by my own cinavia, and the situation was pretty much exactly "i brought her up here after the first date and basically - she never left"
1415290;1456406890;punkman;heh
1415291;1456406899;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415277 << waiWUT - ~chinese~ hw maker killed by us copyrasts?!
1415292;1456406899;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 13:24:10; punkman: on the hdmi/hdcp side: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/warner-bros-sues-hd-fury-over-boxes-that-can-copy-4k-video/
1415293;1456406909;asciilifeform;how?
1415294;1456406972;punkman;seems alive and selling
1415295;1456407041;asciilifeform;hm site must've been 'slashdotted' at time of article then
1415296;1456407107;asciilifeform;at any rate it is not hard to make a box like this
1415297;1456407134;asciilifeform;take an official lcd tv, attach fpga where the panel ribbon cable was.
1415298;1456407144;asciilifeform;instant decoder.
1415299;1456407173;asciilifeform;works on any idiot copyprotection thing.
1415300;1456407324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47184 @ 0.0005789 = 27.3148 BTC [+] {3} 
1415301;1456407348;punkman;hardcoded subs suck
1415302;1456407382;mircea_popescu;now that is true
1415303;1456407395;punkman;"run it twice and diff"
1415304;1456407529;punkman;there are also licensed software players, that route might be easier
1415305;1456407593;asciilifeform;i cite the cable method as a kind of final solution.
1415306;1456407634;asciilifeform;the final muzzle to put in enemy's mouth.
1415307;1456407697;asciilifeform;i don't even care for modern american film.
1415308;1456407711;asciilifeform;but hollywood copyrasty - must die.
1415309;1456407760;asciilifeform;it is necessary for the usg burial.
1415310;1456407873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28162 @ 0.00057547 = 16.2064 BTC [-] {2} 
1415311;1456407936;mircea_popescu;funny, kinda related to the article im cooking.
1415312;1456410943;jurov;will s.nsa develop and sell them?
1415313;1456411388;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea really.
1415314;1456411576;jurov;but not while the chief engineer is usg subject, i guess
1415315;1456411673;mircea_popescu;the usg has no authority to have subjects.
1415316;1456411711;jurov;ok, ftfy: but not while the chief engineer thinks himself usg subject, i guess
1415317;1456411781;mircea_popescu;possibru not yeh
1415318;1456411899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61600 @ 0.00057168 = 35.2155 BTC [-] {3} 
1415319;1456411942;shinohai;https://redd.it/47g89e   <<< /me has a feeling this isn't going to end well.
1415320;1456411944;assbot;Next evolution in Bitcoin security: Hardware wallet right in your phone! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TGQkYB )
1415321;1456412021;mircea_popescu;shinohai mind using direct links rather than that crap ?
1415322;1456412121;mircea_popescu;in lulzy "theymos' discreet criminal entreprise" news, https://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg854918%23msg854918
1415323;1456412122;assbot;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg854918#msg854918: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home | Closed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q47go6 )
1415324;1456412148;mircea_popescu;notice how the mpoe-pr blowing the cover off pirate is on page 41 in 2013, around the middle, but on page 40 right at the top in 2015 ?
1415325;1456412162;mircea_popescu;some people didn't really want to have said what they did in fact say back in 2012! awww!
1415326;1456412204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37467 @ 0.00057387 = 21.5012 BTC [+] {2} 
1415327;1456412635;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Most Serene Republic's list of rogue states, unrecognized goverments and criminal syndicates - http://trilema.com/2016/the-most-serene-republics-list-of-rogue-states-unrecognized-goverments-and-criminal-syndicates/
1415328;1456415486;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415312 << wai wut
1415329;1456415486;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 14:35:43; jurov: will s.nsa develop and sell them?
1415330;1456415488;asciilifeform;sell what ?
1415331;1456415512;jurov;the boxes discussed 3 lines above it
1415332;1456415540;asciilifeform;didn't punkman link to chinese co. already happily selling ?
1415333;1456415543;asciilifeform;go, buy.
1415334;1456415571;asciilifeform;these aren't cryptoinstruments, parachutes that one lives and dies by.
1415335;1456415575;asciilifeform;buy from lowest bidder.
1415336;1456415595;asciilifeform;it is exactly the kind of item the chinese excell at, and attempting to compete with them on the field would be moronic.
1415337;1456415674;asciilifeform;i won't make tv either.
1415338;1456415685;jurov;i don't see where, you mean the "hd fury" box?
1415339;1456415688;asciilifeform;aha
1415340;1456415859;asciilifeform;i ~could~ see an argument for airdropping such thing behind nazi lines
1415341;1456415865;asciilifeform;but this is an idea for ~rich folks~
1415342;1456415867;asciilifeform;and i'm not rich.
1415343;1456415907;asciilifeform;and in any case i'd airdrop radio relays
1415344;1456416101;mircea_popescu;it's unclear that giving away coca-cola for free specifically hurts the thing coca-cola is a head of.
1415345;1456416244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, as usual, nails it.
1415346;1456416254;mircea_popescu;in older news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/19321a9d35e17a2a8cc4f682ffcd3f2e/tumblr_nmk27wLQJs1s5o46so1_1280.jpg
1415347;1456416256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgeXcr )
1415348;1456416776;mircea_popescu;>Existing users, beginning January 1st 2016 you will need to complete a brief installation of a local service in order to continue using this API. Please follow the installation instructions below.
1415349;1456416799;mircea_popescu;bitcoin.info tries to hijack everyone's servers by having them run some closed source item.
1415350;1456416839;kakobrekla;afaik its open.
1415351;1456416886;mircea_popescu;"open". everything's "open".
1415352;1456416895;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415348 << wut?!!
1415353;1456416895;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 16:12:56; mircea_popescu: >Existing users, beginning January 1st 2016 you will need to complete a brief installation of a local service in order to continue using this API. Please follow the installation instructions below.
1415354;1456416924;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i only vaguely track the vctardation.
1415355;1456416928;asciilifeform;anybody got a sample of the binary?
1415356;1456416945;kakobrekla;its a nodejs thing. https://github.com/blockchain/service-my-wallet-v3
1415357;1456416952;asciilifeform;ick
1415358;1456416963;mircea_popescu;nono, it's open see alf ?
1415359;1456416975;mircea_popescu;open like in openssl, but hey.
1415360;1456416976;*;asciilifeform can't bring himself to care 
1415361;1456417009;asciilifeform;open sores.
1415362;1456417063;kakobrekla;i didnt say 'what' is open. could as well be the doors.
1415363;1456417079;mircea_popescu;and windows!
1415364;1456417342;mircea_popescu;"The top games on mobile in 2015 are the same games that were at the top of the charts in 2012" << if that pond ain't dead...
1415365;1456417397;mircea_popescu;gaming being 32% of time spent on mobiles in 2014, 15% in 2015.
1415366;1456418182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00057087 = 5.0522 BTC [-]
1415367;1456418275;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415319 << lulzy how the nsa turd in arm cpu catches on with the derps, but wintel 'tpm' didn't
1415368;1456418275;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 14:52:22; shinohai: https://redd.it/47g89e   <<< /me has a feeling this isn't going to end well.
1415369;1456418286;asciilifeform;even though quite similar.
1415370;1456418410;phf;https://github.com/sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses a port of netbsd curses targeting musl/linux. we don't really uses anything with curses directly, but for cli interface building, or balinux, a codebase to keep in mind.
1415371;1456418412;assbot;GitHub - sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses: libcurses and dependencies taken from netbsd and brought into a portable (at least to musl) shape ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAhUAm )
1415372;1456418417;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 'pogo4' is back on crapazon, $18
1415373;1456418459;asciilifeform;phf: neato
1415374;1456418462;asciilifeform;potentially useful.
1415375;1456418469;asciilifeform;i wish i had time to test this.
1415376;1456418775;phf;it's a bit down the pipeline for me. there were some attempts to make cmucl go entirely syscall, but as it stands it's probably 40% there. i want to link it to musl first, and then play around with control interfaces uses curses/cl-charm, which is when i'll test out this thing
1415377;1456418872;asciilifeform;tell me again what the point of cmucl is, when there is sbcl
1415378;1456419331;asciilifeform;http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1207.2/02579.html << vintage lol
1415379;1456419332;assbot;Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH] MPILIB: Provide count_leading/trailing_zeros() based on archfunctions ... ( http://bit.ly/1TB8sBW )
1415380;1456419422;trinque;in semi-related news, sbcl passes its test suite using --with-sb-thread on openbsd
1415381;1456419432;trinque;when I get around to it I'm going to pester the port maintainer to get a flavor going for that
1415382;1456419549;mircea_popescu;nb
1415383;1456419705;phf;i kind of look at it like version 0.5.3. there's barely any development on it, very little actively harmful code, if you don't count asdf 3.* in contribs. it works, it can be studied and improved upon, as it stands it's utterly ignored by the cool kids. there are also of course technical merits, the compiler is conceptually identical and on average almost as good (there were many micro optimizations done by sbcl team, but even they are
1415384;1456419705;phf;tradeoffs) and much better for floating. there's still a tightly integrated interpreter (i heard sbcl brought that back in recent releases), so doing eval even on early 2000s machines is almost instantaneous for repl work. memory usage is much much better (pretty sure sbcl core policy is "memory is cheap")
1415385;1456419931;phf;raymond toy does, almost exclusively, code cleanup, bug fixes and work on floating point code (i think he maintains fortran to lisp compiler, that i think he used to (?) make big consulting money with)
1415386;1456419951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65100 @ 0.0005779 = 37.6213 BTC [+] {6} 
1415387;1456420007;asciilifeform;phf: does cmucl have native threads yet ?
1415388;1456420076;mircea_popescu;and in other febrrrruary news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/dcab94c115ba3aa2bfd4e48ab50be0e0/tumblr_nml7moRH3t1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg
1415389;1456420078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TB9PQW )
1415390;1456420098;phf;no, and while we're on downsides, unicode integration into the rest of the system is dodgy (there's a lot of assumptions in lateral code that chars are 1 byte)
1415391;1456420116;mircea_popescu;phf can unicode be snipped off cleanly ?
1415392;1456420134;phf;yes. in fact btcbase runs unicode-less instance
1415393;1456420158;mircea_popescu;i'd personally much prefer unicode join the scrap heap with "pki", dns, ntp etc.
1415394;1456420162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends what means 'cleanly'
1415395;1456420170;asciilifeform;what happens when it gets dumped into the hopper anyway.
1415396;1456420182;asciilifeform;which it will.
1415397;1456420193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same as what means cleanly in medicine : is it a fistula or a bump.
1415398;1456420227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as long as "unicode was sent" neatly transforms into "we received a broken string of ascii" all is well.
1415399;1456420318;mircea_popescu;in other news of alfish interest, speaking of snipping off bumps : http://40.media.tumblr.com/bd76b0421433086710a7efa6a4281917/tumblr_nk18baK9hD1so15avo2_1280.jpg
1415400;1456420319;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/21uc7UH )
1415401;1456420361;phf;i've been mulling over that question with logs. fwiw, entire log can be kept in memory for analysis, annotation, whatever, 180mb as utf-8 byte arrays. with unicode strings takes up twice the memory on 16-bit cmucl, and ~~4 times on 32-bit sbcl. i'm not yet convinced that transcoding everything you get into string and then transcoding it back to a bytearray onto the wire is the best strategy
1415402;1456420422;asciilifeform;incidentally, mircea_popescu would do well to remember that the bulk of the material worth reading accessible on the net is non-latin (specifically cyrillic!1111)
1415403;1456420439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00057116 = 27.3014 BTC [-] {4} 
1415404;1456420475;phf;terry davis dat shit, only legitimate encoding is utf-8 :D
1415405;1456420476;phf;err
1415406;1456420479;phf;koi8-r
1415407;1456420487;asciilifeform;l0l
1415408;1456420498;phf;freudian typo alright
1415409;1456420506;asciilifeform;incidentally there can be a good argument for 16bit chars.
1415410;1456420514;asciilifeform;in that utf8 makes strlen an O(N) operation
1415411;1456420518;asciilifeform;which is profoundly retarded.
1415412;1456420534;asciilifeform;and leads to inevitable shenanigans with buffer overflows
1415413;1456420553;asciilifeform;e.g., i flip a bit and now ????????
1415414;1456420626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ what he said
1415415;1456420648;mircea_popescu;also, i am not in the sliughtest against 16 bit chars.
1415416;1456420667;mircea_popescu;the point is FIXED bitwidth alphabet, nothing else.
1415417;1456420674;asciilifeform;16 bit is enough to hold even kanji and other savagery.
1415418;1456420700;mircea_popescu;alternatively, you can instruct your fucking display to do any rot-13 you prefer on glyphs and chars.
1415419;1456420705;asciilifeform;i am also not opposed to ^
1415420;1456420708;asciilifeform;was just about to say.
1415421;1456420718;mircea_popescu;can have ascii-notation of cyrilic just fine
1415422;1456420726;asciilifeform;'polish' encode cyrillic, as gnarly diphthongs, etc in latin
1415423;1456420728;asciilifeform;and then decode.
1415424;1456420731;mircea_popescu;quite.
1415425;1456420753;asciilifeform;i, like many ru folks, do this in the keyboard
1415426;1456420780;asciilifeform;(the traditional ru kbd is virtually unknown among emigre folks, everybody uses 'translit' like the chinese do)
1415427;1456420787;mircea_popescu;i would have been very firmly 8 bit in the old days
1415428;1456420798;mircea_popescu;but today machines are 64 bit. for all i care your alphabet can be on 64 bit chars.
1415429;1456420803;mircea_popescu;makes little sense, but it CAN be
1415430;1456420846;mircea_popescu;(it seems perhaps a smart move to actually make it 64 bit - for one thing there will probablyt never be 128 bit machines.
1415431;1456420847;*;asciilifeform operates a number of 32 and even 8 bit machines...
1415432;1456420862;mircea_popescu;the current tech pretty much run its course, wetware or w/e comes next will prolly not do bits)
1415433;1456420886;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu catch the recent thread re: the bit-serial cpu ?
1415434;1456420891;mircea_popescu;i did.
1415435;1456420902;mircea_popescu;but in general speaking, the point stands anyway
1415436;1456420934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, im not sure what the benefit from the old machines perspective is for the char to be 16 rather than 64.
1415437;1456420953;mircea_popescu;you'll still going to have to do some porting. just as long as it's not 52 or some other mit-esque idiocy, should really not be a big deal.
1415438;1456421048;mircea_popescu;but the fucking concept of putting a turing complete machine in the bitstream/string mapping has got to fucking burn already. who the fuck even hatched this idiocy.
1415439;1456421076;mircea_popescu;forget fits in head, this doesn't even fit in ass.
1415440;1456421088;asciilifeform;waiwut
1415441;1456421134;asciilifeform;nobody has turing machine there
1415442;1456421139;asciilifeform;we suffer from quite the opposite.
1415443;1456421144;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1415444;1456421152;asciilifeform;i.e. elaborately enumerated crapola.
1415445;1456421180;mircea_popescu;if i take a buffer, split it up in words, and give you some and him some, and you convert them to strings and give them back, i must be able to reconsturct the original buffer without possibility of error.
1415446;1456421258;mircea_popescu;fucking state in the string processor, are you kidding me ?
1415447;1456421562;asciilifeform;work it through for me, when would this apply ?
1415448;1456421576;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1415449;1456421623;mircea_popescu;it doesn't matter when it would apply. it turns out, through bitter experience, that c machines and especially the slaves that feed them can NOT live in a world where there's not strict, table-lookup-based, equivalency between words and chars.
1415450;1456421667;mircea_popescu;creatiung the complete tree of all the ways this sad tactical truth has bitten us in practice, and then defending it against broad strategic discussions is beyond sane use of time or resources.
1415451;1456421693;mircea_popescu;fact remains, whenever you break this bijection you get broken stacks and broken-er "communities" around em
1415452;1456421791;asciilifeform;possibly i see where mircea_popescu is going.
1415453;1456421804;mircea_popescu;in other news, perhaps the definitive depiction of exceeded old woman trying to cling to a delusion of control through formalism : http://archive.li/SzW0e/b36166b3370577c75796ec355295c8e5e6166a46.jpg (naomi klein at occupy wallstreet derpage)
1415454;1456421805;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/21ug3Vz )
1415455;1456421830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i say this with no prejudice to your fundamentally correct "stop thinking letters are numbers omfg what's wrong with you! are you greek ?! retarded ?!"
1415456;1456421883;mircea_popescu;it'd work splendidly in lispnix, an alt-universe where mit still teaches computing instead of being "the premier science and technology institution in the world"
1415457;1456421946;asciilifeform;i'm sorta coming to terms with the fact that the year is 800 again
1415458;1456421960;asciilifeform;and we're in a monastery, trying to preserve a few tidbits, while orcs hammer on the gates.
1415459;1456421997;asciilifeform;(who has seen the very colourful cartoon 'book of kells' ?)
1415460;1456422025;mircea_popescu;can;'t say as i have
1415461;1456422044;asciilifeform;recommended.
1415462;1456422091;asciilifeform;it is a visual joy, rather than thematic
1415463;1456422103;mircea_popescu;i put it on teh list.
1415464;1456422624;jurov;;;bc,blocks
1415465;1456422624;gribble;{"blockcount":400005}
1415466;1456422740;mircea_popescu;confirmed. cool huh. 40% of the way to the cool mil.
1415467;1456422763;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this should be the millionium, best festival ever.
1415468;1456422772;mircea_popescu;every time blockchain counts a new million blocks.
1415469;1456423091;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b118
1415470;1456423218;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: your ip leaks.
1415471;1456423253;phf;pretty easy way of preventing it, authenticate at connect, not with /msg nickserv
1415472;1456423313;pete_dushenski;hm.
1415473;1456423646;asciilifeform;anybody has thoughts about the Dolev-Dwork-Naor asymmetric cipher ?
1415474;1456423660;asciilifeform;(it appears to be 'the other cramershoup')
1415475;1456423762;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415090 << had ukrs been offered free land there a century ago and ro jews offered refuge there 50 years ago, i would've could've should've. but fi didn't, to my knowledge, do either such thing. so here we are.
1415476;1456423762;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 02:05:03; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ought to have opened up his rental business in fi !
1415477;1456423784;asciilifeform;ddn - 1991.
1415478;1456423807;pete_dushenski;;;ud ddn
1415479;1456423808;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DDN | I woke up in a hot sweat due to a terrible DDN... It started with me being in a prison shower and dropping the soap. Did you get the new dvd of "White chicks and ...
1415480;1456423812;phf;there's a great place for sauna, fi
1415481;1456423813;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: Dolev-Dwork-Naor
1415482;1456423817;pete_dushenski;l0l
1415483;1456423818;asciilifeform;scroll up.
1415484;1456423865;pete_dushenski;" Double Dick Nightmare - A nightmarish dream involving voluntary double penetration of massive cocks." << i don't care what you say, this is a much funnier ddn
1415485;1456423865;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299680 << oblig.
1415486;1456423865;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 18:03:14; ascii_field: 'Korsuissa kamina, / siellä pelataan nakkia, raminaa, / on meillä Fritzit ja Maxit / ja Petropamaxit, juu!' (tm) (r) (1941)
1415487;1456423951;pete_dushenski;blockchain millenium should be sometime in 2026. we'll all be old men by then!
1415488;1456423981;asciilifeform;some are old men now.
1415489;1456424002;pete_dushenski;today, some, tomorrow, all.
1415490;1456424065;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415346 << i hope we're all this fit 'tomorrow'
1415491;1456424065;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 16:04:14; mircea_popescu: in older news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/19321a9d35e17a2a8cc4f682ffcd3f2e/tumblr_nmk27wLQJs1s5o46so1_1280.jpg
1415492;1456424135;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415278 << haha family friend is lead counsel for wb asia pacific, based out of hk. i actually crashed at his place last time i was in town.
1415493;1456424135;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 13:24:12; assbot: Warner Bros. sues “HD Fury” over boxes that can copy 4k video | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1TAMj6C )
1415494;1456424211;asciilifeform;was he 'only following orderz' ?
1415495;1456424230;asciilifeform;and 'has no idea' what comes out of the showerheadz?
1415496;1456424287;phf;(it's zyklon b, for all those like myself who took a while)
1415497;1456424426;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: he's from an older generation than we are, knows what he's doing. believes in legitimacy of copyrasta wholly afaik. can't be far from retirement either, and it's awfully hard to imagine anyone bothering to hang him for his crimes.
1415498;1456424441;pete_dushenski;so he was 'right place right time'
1415499;1456424497;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415265 << nonsense. sistine chapel qualifies as a canvas and it's what 41x13m ?
1415500;1456424497;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 13:21:34; mircea_popescu: seriously, if you can't paint a canvas within 10x10, or if you can't tell your story in 700mb, you've got other problems than painting or making movies.
1415501;1456424546;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the perfect sort for hanging
1415502;1456424554;asciilifeform;(truly believes, etc.)
1415503;1456424566;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415189 << inquiring minds would like to know what you'd have done with her if you caught her !
1415504;1456424566;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 07:22:41; ben_vulpes: aww i missed the cascadian-hunting ok cupid slut!
1415505;1456424606;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: perfect in the sense of pleads guilty though admits no wrongdoing, sure.
1415506;1456424627;asciilifeform;aha.
1415507;1456424639;pete_dushenski;dies with honour intact, to whatever degree loser can
1415508;1456424687;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415159 << ok fess up! who put the spy camera in my kitchen?!
1415509;1456424687;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 03:58:08; mircea_popescu: and in even more other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/173588322d445d2b59ce0572a36c6298/tumblr_nhqf0lTVs81sfkfqio1_500.gif
1415510;1456424689;asciilifeform;it is on just such folk that the reich still stands.
1415511;1456424778;pete_dushenski;that which can only come from a lifetime of indoctrination via public education and travel only to designated tourist zoos
1415512;1456424794;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415110 << ok that's just plain crafty. tip o' the cap.
1415513;1456424794;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 02:36:48; asciilifeform: 'Like other armies the Germans emplaced booby traps to catch unwary souvenir-hunters, but they also used them to cause casualties among Allied small-unit leaders by locating them in possible command post and observation post sites. One example of this was to conceal a booby trap behind a framed picture left hanging crooked on an interior wall of a house: the Germans reasoned that only an officer would
1415514;1456424932;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415511 << this is not my experience with doctrinaire copyrasts.
1415515;1456424932;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:26:18; pete_dushenski: that which can only come from a lifetime of indoctrination via public education and travel only to designated tourist zoos
1415516;1456424976;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what was your experience ?
1415517;1456424981;asciilifeform;no amount of travel or whatnot can cure a man who experienced western civilization in 1960, and believes that we can bring back the airplanes by cargoculting to what he perceives as the rules of the era.
1415518;1456425107;asciilifeform;likewise, there is the fundamental affliction of the old.
1415519;1456425108;pete_dushenski;o ? and just how well travelled are these 1960ists that you can say 'no amount' will suffice ?
1415520;1456425121;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: where would you send them to travel ?
1415521;1456425260;pete_dushenski;i wouldn't send them anywhere. it's not for me to lead their lives. but a couple of years in 2nd-tier city in 80s ru wouldn't have hurt.
1415522;1456425293;asciilifeform;time travel is on the table now ?!
1415523;1456425370;pete_dushenski;can't teach old dog new tricks. no sense trying to persuade 60yo that life was wasted in the pursuit of the evil and the wrong.
1415524;1456425461;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415281 << is this so different than ackman using eizo colouredge ? >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406028
1415525;1456425461;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 13:24:16; asciilifeform: this always melted my brain.
1415526;1456425461;assbot;Logged on 15-02-2016 13:15:57; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111
1415527;1456425464;asciilifeform;it is not even necessarily clear, that it was.
1415528;1456425515;pete_dushenski;ackman just watches charts and reads emails. so, like argentine, 300dpi is 'wasted'
1415529;1456425517;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: idk about you, but i edit text on display.
1415530;1456425518;phf;american experience in su was highly mediated. i've had a chance to meet a handful of these "spent some time in su in the 80s" types, and at best their conclusion is "them russkies are no worse then us". not like they would be allowed to spend their leasure time in the company of my grandfather and his friends, etc.
1415531;1456425653;phf;their whole experience of su is through intourist propotainment and politruk control. who's going to let an american nobody in a company of the valuable products of soviet system. it's a needless risk. at best you get invited to some aparatchik family dinner and get to playbelieve "i was even friends with a russian family!"
1415532;1456425681;pete_dushenski;phf: that's very much why i specified '2nd-tier' ru city, though i suppose this was based on the presumption that most of the mediation was happening in larger urban centres, which i suppose statistically it must have been, but whether that made it easier or harder to break mediated mold in smaller centres isn't thereby granted as being in any way obvious, admittedly.
1415533;1456425762;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: editing text is 99% of what i do as well
1415534;1456425835;asciilifeform;phf has it.
1415535;1456425849;asciilifeform;i met these tourists, here.
1415536;1456425852;asciilifeform;mega-riot.
1415537;1456425865;phf;you don't seem to grok how "mediated" works in this case, you or your tour is assigned a dedicated kgb handler and a politruk. if you're not part of tour, then you are assigned those. personally. sop for any sort of interaction with outsiders. politruk is ~personally responsible~ for you not doing anything dodgy. your level of artificial integration depends on how important you are and how experienced your handlers are at running this
1415538;1456425866;phf;particular show.
1415539;1456425942;asciilifeform;and 'dodgy' can include things pete_dushenski wouldn't think of.
1415540;1456425974;pete_dushenski;phf: you're right, that's far more 'mediated' than i'd understood to be the case previously.
1415541;1456425982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes to remember the jeans
1415542;1456425993;asciilifeform;so ru folk traded their sovereignty for jeans.
1415543;1456425999;asciilifeform;it is not clear to me that this was a smart thing.
1415544;1456426088;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski, phf: even today, a 'human' visiting orc lands is 'mediated', but largely by his own head
1415545;1456426092;asciilifeform;but just as effectivelyt
1415546;1456426108;asciilifeform;(he can't speak the language, so he will only end up in designated zoos, etc.)
1415547;1456426447;phf;heh actually some boomer at russian cultural center was once telling me of his adventures, he proudly told me that him and his wife had a friend in russia and it was even! a kgb guy. the implication is that he was so cool, he even got to meet a bonafide kgb, befriend him and that was his best friend. that's your handler, you dumbass.
1415548;1456426516;phf;oh man, plenty of these people at russian cultural center in DC, can have a little study roster
1415549;1456426535;asciilifeform;phf: i think they're mostly old/dead now
1415550;1456426540;asciilifeform;but perhaps not all.
1415551;1456426572;asciilifeform;i ran into a few when i went to 'rur' at the czech embassy.
1415552;1456426578;phf;yeah, probably on the way out. i was there last about 8 years ago
1415553;1456426826;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> every time blockchain counts a new million blocks. << sounds good!
1415554;1456427468;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1415555;1456427474;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.89, vol: 5591.59211870 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.334, vol: 5796.17642 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 424.28, vol: 13637.03192603 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 405.89, vol: 1.52443611 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.92479, vol: 44790.73500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 421.01601, vol: 780.19886255 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 421.809972, vol: 40.04071369 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1415556;1456427483;shinohai;;;more
1415557;1456427483;gribble;426.99973258
1415558;1456427514;shinohai;srsly gribble? You couldn't have just parsed that in a single statement?
1415559;1456427881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00056955 = 28.4205 BTC [-] {4} 
1415560;1456427993;danielpbarron;he never does; the final number is always after the ;;more
1415561;1456428030;danielpbarron;funny thing, the number is about as long as the (1 more message)
1415562;1456428146;trinque;max length on IRC messages.
1415563;1456428157;danielpbarron;!s 1 more message
1415564;1456428157;assbot;851 results for '1 more message' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=1+more+message
1415565;1456428613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00056862 = 28.7722 BTC [-] {2} 
1415566;1456428925;kakobrekla;(1 more message) is 16 char, while 426.99973258 is even less, 12.
1415567;1456428991;trinque;heh, good point
1415568;1456429523;asciilifeform;http://www.cramer-shoup.com << lulzy
1415569;1456429525;assbot;Cramer-Shoup ... ( http://bit.ly/1p9oZ4I )
1415570;1456429778;pete_dushenski;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/one-zimbabwean-shares-thi_b_9307198.html << asciilifeform has same insights ?
1415571;1456429779;assbot;One Zimbabwean Shares Thirty Shocking Things He's Learned About America ... ( http://bit.ly/1p9pN9Q )
1415572;1456430128;pete_dushenski;"He said: "Some of the people will be too old or too weak to carry the food to their cars so you will have to carry the food for them". What shocked me was that these people were being given food hampers because they were poor but they drove cars. Some of them had very nice cars too. In Zimbabwe, poor people don't have cars."
1415573;1456430196;pete_dushenski;"Now, in my first week in the states, something got trapped in the earphone jack of my laptop so I went to an Apple store to see if they can fix it. The genius there told me that he would need to first check it in and that I would only be able to come back and pick it up after four working days. I knew there were other computers in line before me and I really didn't think I could survive four days without a laptop an
1415574;1456430196;pete_dushenski;as also used to the methods we use in Zimbabwe when we get in these situations, so I said to him: " Come on Sir, what if I give you something? Will that speed up the process?"  I'm sure he could tell from from my accent where I'm from so he looked me in the eye, lowered his voice and said to me softly : "Sir, you have just offered me a bribe. We don't do that around here."
1415575;1456430253;pete_dushenski;bwahaha why doesn't money work in usistan ? it works everywhere else ! reserve currency status seems to have broken the currency's use and meaning.
1415576;1456430321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46979 @ 0.00057872 = 27.1877 BTC [+] {3} 
1415577;1456430642;pete_dushenski;from same fishcrap, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-supremacist-sec-primary_us_56cf4437e4b0bf0dab31222f
1415578;1456430643;assbot;White Supremacists Mobilize For Donald Trump ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oy67RH )
1415579;1456430668;pete_dushenski;"In Minnesota and Vermont, a white supremacist super PAC called the American National Super PAC has begun circulating a robocall in support of Trump. "The white race is dying out in America and Europe because we are afraid to be called 'racist,' says William Johnson, the leader of the white nationalist American Freedom Party. He goes on to bemoan "gradual genocide against the white race," and how few "schools anymore
1415580;1456430668;pete_dushenski; beautiful white children as the majority." He signs off by telling recipients, "Don’t vote for a Cuban. Vote for Donald Trump." "
1415581;1456430914;shinohai;https://medium.com/@barmstrong/coinbase-is-not-a-wallet-b5b9293ca0e7#.si7f7492y   <<< the therapy must be working.
1415582;1456430915;assbot;Coinbase is not a wallet — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oy74cJ )
1415583;1456431998;danielpbarron;https://youtu.be/a6wpYS15Gag?t=1m23s << Kramer Soup
1415584;1456431999;assbot;The Soup Nazi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4kl3n )
1415585;1456432173;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: LZOZLZO
1415586;1456432219;danielpbarron;:D
1415587;1456432770;shinohai;<3
1415588;1456433371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106079 @ 0.0005717 = 60.6454 BTC [-] {4} 
1415589;1456434413;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 21.55000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b119
1415590;1456434621;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/ << an odds parity contender to alphago emergeth.
1415591;1456434622;assbot;BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 85.12 B (51%) on Yes, 83.19 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 22`962 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )
1415592;1456434624;asciilifeform;woah
1415593;1456434677;asciilifeform;;;ticker
1415594;1456434678;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.52, Best ask: 424.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 424.78, 24 hour volume: 13556.26534589, 24 hour low: 419.5, 24 hour high: 430.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1415595;1456434691;danielpbarron;i saw that bet coming
1415596;1456434696;asciilifeform;;;calc 21.55 * 424.52
1415597;1456434697;gribble;9148.406
1415598;1456434701;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: hows that
1415599;1456434726;pete_dushenski;he made it ?
1415600;1456434737;danielpbarron;was considering betting against myself but decided against it because i figured if i was right, there would be a massive bet to follow anyway and it would just knock my percent down anyway; might as well stick with my first bet and hope a miracle happens
1415601;1456434958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6073 @ 0.00056688 = 3.4427 BTC [-]
1415602;1456435095;pete_dushenski;anyone have any experience with displayport to dvi adapters for ultra-high-res (eg. 4k) monitors ?
1415603;1456435363;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: iirc if you insist on dvi on 4k you're stuck with 30hz.
1415604;1456435372;asciilifeform;where did you even get a 4k display that has no displayport jack ?
1415605;1456435415;pete_dushenski;other way around. computer has no displayport jack. monitor has.
1415606;1456435459;pete_dushenski;goddam these old computers and their archaic ports eh
1415607;1456435488;asciilifeform;what makes you think the box will put out 4k ?
1415608;1456435522;pete_dushenski;nfi.
1415609;1456435666;shinohai;did isis make good on their threat to knock twitter offline?
1415610;1456435705;pete_dushenski;;;isitdown twitter.com
1415611;1456435706;gribble;twitter.com is up
1415612;1456435734;asciilifeform;loads.
1415613;1456435868;shinohai;heh
1415614;1456437031;danielpbarron;http://www.geekwire.com/2016/domain-registration-company-rightside-tells-employees-that-w2-forms-were-stolen-in-phishing-attack/ >> The forms included name, home address, Social Security Number and 2015 income. [..] the company is encouraging them to alert the IRS to the theft of their W2s and the potential for the filing of fraudulent tax returns.
1415615;1456437032;assbot;Domain registration company Rightside tells employees that W2 forms were stolen in phishing attack - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1OynlOV )
1415616;1456437159;ben_vulpes;w2's are a crime
1415617;1456437168;ben_vulpes;slow motion statal rape
1415618;1456437180;ben_vulpes;"tell us how much you diddled each other so that we may distribute other diddling equitably"
1415619;1456437557;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes:
1415620;1456437956;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf please consider sharing your clang build script
1415621;1456437956;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1415622;1456437959;asciilifeform;^ or anybody else.
1415623;1456439651;ben_vulpes;ya plz
1415624;1456439655;ben_vulpes;phf ^^]
1415625;1456439685;asciilifeform;http://thales.doa.fmph.uniba.sk/macaj/skola/teoriapoli/primes.pdf << 133337 w4r3z
1415626;1456439691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/21uVWqe )
1415627;1456439801;BingoBoingo; other than to help sink the enemy. << Mega reason
1415628;1456440631;mod6;thanks to trinque, this exists now: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1415629;1456440636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnhTWh )
1415630;1456440869;shinohai;\o/
1415631;1456441103;thestringpuller;LOL. Blythe Masters is speaking at the consensus coindesk thing?
1415632;1456441132;thestringpuller;"[Blockchain] is the technology beneath the bitcoin cryptography, but it is not bitcoin."
1415633;1456441134;shinohai;yup. Brian Armstrong will be there too.
1415634;1456441150;thestringpuller;These people are too stupid to be leading armies.
1415635;1456441183;mod6;And so they shant.
1415636;1456441274;thestringpuller;Consensus 2016: Making Bitcoin Great Again!
1415637;1456441425;shinohai;!s http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/25/dea-riverside-wiretaps-scaled-back/80891460/
1415638;1456441426;assbot;Prosecutors halt vast, likely illegal DEA wiretap operation ... ( http://bit.ly/21v02i3 )
1415639;1456441427;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/25/dea-riverside-wiretaps-scaled-back/80891460/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2016%2F02%2F25%2Fdea-riverside-wiretaps-scaled-back%2F80891460%2F
1415640;1456442014;mod6;so, with tinyscheme, there is no 'read-line' -- which we sort of talked about; having to write a bunch of our own procedures.
1415641;1456442074;mod6;and since i have no clue "what lispers typically do", I'll ask: I usually read files one line at a time and then do things accordingly, is this a typical lisp convention?  Or do most just read one word at a time and then do stuff?
1415642;1456442112;asciilifeform;mod6: normally one char at a time
1415643;1456442125;mod6;ah, i see.
1415644;1456442128;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://mm0hai.net/blog/2015/07/14/Dont-use-the-keyservers.html << fountain of lulz
1415645;1456442129;assbot;Don't use the PGP Keyservers ... ( http://bit.ly/21v1yRt )
1415646;1456442129;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1415647;1456442130;mod6;in this case, 'read-char'
1415648;1456442131;mod6;ok
1415649;1456443404;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/47jkue/our_company_has_been_a_victim_of_ransomware/
1415650;1456443405;assbot;Our company has been a victim of RANSOMWARE please help : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1pa5NnH )
1415651;1456443451;asciilifeform;how come nobody ever writes, 'our company was a victim of microshit' ??
1415652;1456443463;asciilifeform;or better yet, 'our company was a victim of my idiot microshit-buying self'
1415653;1456443485;shinohai;> . <
1415654;1456443488;pete_dushenski;stockholm syndrome.
1415655;1456443509;pete_dushenski;old hostage taker is familiar, friendly, and has a kind face
1415656;1456443747;asciilifeform;the fucktards built their 'consensual reality' where 'computer == winblowz' ?? fine. let computer also == paying some nigerian derp every week to decrypt the disk.
1415657;1456443806;pete_dushenski;niggelt
1415658;1456443873;asciilifeform;i predict that usg will come out with a 'doomed but lulzy' taintatron thing for ransom
1415659;1456443887;asciilifeform;'register your ransom here, we will xxxxx !'
1415660;1456443948;asciilifeform;nothing will come of it except that some unfortunate usaschwitz inmates will be picked up for 'taking in evil coin'
1415661;1456443949;pete_dushenski;this is already sop for stolen bicycles 'tracked' by local poliezi.
1415662;1456444049;pete_dushenski;there's supposedly a shake down of the odd pawn broker, which can't be more than appropriation of a bicycle for the cop's children, but it's mostly just a list of names of bitches who can't deal with their own problems.
1415663;1456444093;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b120
1415664;1456446608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00056688 = 6.2073 BTC [-]
1415665;1456446730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00056688 = 2.5793 BTC [-]
1415666;1456447096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00057128 = 29.221 BTC [+] {3} 
1415667;1456448718;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415473 < notrly.
1415668;1456448718;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:07:26; asciilifeform: anybody has thoughts about the Dolev-Dwork-Naor asymmetric cipher ?
1415669;1456448772;mircea_popescu;dude wtf am, i reading.
1415670;1456448787;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what "river macleod" thinks on any topic,
1415671;1456448794;mircea_popescu;including who gets to use his asshole when and how.
1415672;1456448865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00056688 = 2.2675 BTC [-]
1415673;1456448921;BingoBoingo;Don't forget, for what purpose.
1415674;1456449059;mircea_popescu;i'd rather read kitsch, naomi klein's autobiography by naomi klein
1415675;1456449352;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415499 << fellow did it because pope told him to and wouldn't pay otherwise.
1415676;1456449352;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:21:37; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415265 << nonsense. sistine chapel qualifies as a canvas and it's what 41x13m ?
1415677;1456449358;mircea_popescu;and no, murals are not canvas
1415678;1456449473;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415517 << 60 in the us tho. 60 in europe was a pretty miserable affair.
1415679;1456449473;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:29:41; asciilifeform: no amount of travel or whatnot can cure a man who experienced western civilization in 1960, and believes that we can bring back the airplanes by cargoculting to what he perceives as the rules of the era.
1415680;1456449489;mircea_popescu; but otherwise the point is quite sound.
1415681;1456449592;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415531 << which is why it only counts if you fuck local.
1415682;1456449592;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:40:53; phf: their whole experience of su is through intourist propotainment and politruk control. who's going to let an american nobody in a company of the valuable products of soviet system. it's a needless risk. at best you get invited to some aparatchik family dinner and get to playbelieve "i was even friends with a russian family!"
1415683;1456449694;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415543 << it was very smart, in that their sovereignity was deeply retarded.
1415684;1456449694;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:46:39; asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that this was a smart thing.
1415685;1456449742;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415547 << ok i chuckled.\
1415686;1456449742;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:54:07; phf: heh actually some boomer at russian cultural center was once telling me of his adventures, he proudly told me that him and his wife had a friend in russia and it was even! a kgb guy. the implication is that he was so cool, he even got to meet a bonafide kgb, befriend him and that was his best friend. that's your handler, you dumbass.
1415687;1456449763;mircea_popescu;kinda like "i'm so cool i get my salary directly on my credit card, no need to use cash"
1415688;1456450002;asciilifeform;the other thing about the 60 y.o. is that he might not feel ready to starve yet
1415689;1456450028;asciilifeform;see, e.g., harlan ellison
1415690;1456450041;mircea_popescu;generally, old people have relatively little to live for. this shows.
1415691;1456450052;asciilifeform;today he is better known as an ardent copyrast, than a writer.
1415692;1456450065;mircea_popescu;miserable example. he never wrote anthing wort ha shit.
1415693;1456450073;mircea_popescu;born a hustler, wil ldie a hustler.
1415694;1456450081;asciilifeform;he was an interesting case of 'up and coming'-ism
1415695;1456450082;mircea_popescu;did not sell aluminum siding 50 years ago by sheer accident.
1415696;1456450104;asciilifeform;was ever eternally 'about to write the next great xxxx' according to the lit-mafia of his time
1415697;1456450127;asciilifeform;~ought to~ have sold aluminum, it cried for him for 50 years.
1415698;1456450130;mircea_popescu;harlan ellison is one bra size away from having been anais nin.
1415699;1456450139;mircea_popescu;one and a half from having been yoko ono.
1415700;1456450192;asciilifeform;l0l
1415701;1456450200;mircea_popescu;and what's her face, the trailer trash whore that was sharing needles with the nirvana kid ?
1415702;1456450203;mircea_popescu;courtney something
1415703;1456450206;asciilifeform;nfi
1415704;1456450334;BingoBoingo;In other new the Tesla Model X is too obeast to legally traverse the Brooklyn Bridge which has a 3 ton weight limit
1415705;1456450421;BingoBoingo; courtney something << Courtney Love, mother of Francis Bean
1415706;1456450434;mircea_popescu;a ok
1415707;1456450468;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo these fucking idiots, by now the car is 90% battery... how to get 5% extra distance ? make it 95% battery. doesn't that mean double the size ? YES IT DOES
1415708;1456450475;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415667 << it appears to have been the first (and to date, only other in public) system that is immune to chosen-ciphertext crapolade
1415709;1456450475;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 01:05:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415473 < notrly.
1415710;1456450481;mircea_popescu;doesn't that mean the batteries will have to power 6x as much car as gasoline ?
1415711;1456450482;asciilifeform;it and c-s.
1415712;1456450486;mircea_popescu;THIS IS GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT!
1415713;1456450504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not familair with much research re it.
1415714;1456450517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is precious little anything re: anything.
1415715;1456450522;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not only that, is "enviro-SUV" crossover weighing more than actual Truck-SUV
1415716;1456450527;asciilifeform;the field is as dead as anything one might care to think of.
1415717;1456450557;asciilifeform;in more than a month of active combing, i was not able to dredge up so much as ONE adult implementation of c-s.
1415718;1456450560;asciilifeform;anywhere.
1415719;1456450565;mircea_popescu;fucking ridiculous. on both lines.
1415720;1456450602;asciilifeform;there is literally nothing to test against, to compare with, etc.
1415721;1456450603;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415632 << they're still running with yesterday's used condoms ?
1415722;1456450603;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 22:58:52; thestringpuller: "[Blockchain] is the technology beneath the bitcoin cryptography, but it is not bitcoin."
1415723;1456450612;mircea_popescu;you already got fucked with those buey! bring new ones!
1415724;1456450659;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: tesla doesn't need to actually work, in the strict sense, it is specifically targeted at moneyed chumps
1415725;1456450673;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415651 << because they're evil.
1415726;1456450673;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 23:37:31; asciilifeform: how come nobody ever writes, 'our company was a victim of microshit' ??
1415727;1456450702;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415656 << i'm so 100% with this you couldn't believe.
1415728;1456450702;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 23:42:27; asciilifeform: the fucktards built their 'consensual reality' where 'computer == winblowz' ?? fine. let computer also == paying some nigerian derp every week to decrypt the disk.
1415729;1456450747;mircea_popescu;actually, maybe s.nsa should release some basic code so every script kiddy with enough money to buy an usb can evil maid the shit out of any office space he can get into.
1415730;1456450752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is one of the reasons why i see malware artists as doing godly work, and wish to help them
1415731;1456450754;asciilifeform;aha!
1415732;1456450761;mircea_popescu;make life for janitors fun again.
1415733;1456450765;asciilifeform;win64 needs a good public polymorphic lib, for instance.
1415734;1456450772;mircea_popescu;"here baby, replace this line with your own address, plug into all the computers you can find"
1415735;1456450825;danielpbarron;this place is starting to sound like project mayhem
1415736;1456450829;mircea_popescu;unavoidable. bitches acting like they're independent and shit, time to eat it.
1415737;1456450836;mircea_popescu;as you can tell, that bfl thing utterly got my fucking goat.
1415738;1456450905;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron whassat ?
1415739;1456450907;danielpbarron;the first rule of project mayhem is you do not ask questions!
1415740;1456450921;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1415741;1456450936;danielpbarron;heh, it's from fight club
1415742;1456450937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reference to c. palahniuk's b00k 'fight club'
1415743;1456450949;mircea_popescu;the principle nevertheless rules supreme. you wanna act like your classic coin / windows system / us government / bla bla got what it takes, fine then. we shall meet in the field and there's no quarter given.\
1415744;1456451014;mircea_popescu;go fucking settle with bfl motherfucking schmucks on a stick already.
1415745;1456451016;mircea_popescu;blrgh
1415746;1456451034;asciilifeform;the bfl thing seemed to me like a mega-unsurprise
1415747;1456451045;asciilifeform;from the pirate case.
1415748;1456451119;asciilifeform;or, as described in mircea_popescu's mega-article, 'A convicted felon and general low life ran a Ponzi scheme. Various soi-dissant US authorities were notified in private to proceed with prosecution, capture the felon and deliver him to justice, as well as publicly months before the scheme's collapse, but instead chose to delay taking any action whatsoever until a year afterwards, in spite of the felon in question being a US r
1415749;1456451119;asciilifeform;esident throughout, in the vain hopes that such shenanigans may destroy our fledging republic.'
1415750;1456451171;mircea_popescu;yeah well fuck them.
1415751;1456451182;mircea_popescu;what, there's options now ? what the fuck is this.
1415752;1456451197;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For the record, these are the passenger vehicles which compete with Tesla Model X for Obesity. Many of them hit the same over moneyed chump market. http://www.thedrive.com/article/1720/9-cars-that-legally-cant-cross-the-brooklyn-bridge
1415753;1456451200;assbot;8 Cars That Legally Can’t Cross the Brooklyn Bridge - The Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMEGtd )
1415754;1456452274;shinohai;;;blocks
1415755;1456452275;gribble;400060
1415756;1456452493;mthreat;mircea_popescu: I saw this in buenos aires and thought you had bought a billboard for fun: http://i.imgur.com/2kYXASl.jpg
1415757;1456452493;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMGD94 )
1415758;1456452920;danielpbarron;i'm watching this republican debate cheering on BingoBoingo's guy -- BitBet : making politics fun!
1415759;1456452932;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: lol
1415760;1456452987;ben_vulpes;mthreat: buttman! lol
1415761;1456453017;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: At this point I'm set to make money on either a Rubio or Cruz win.
1415762;1456453182;danielpbarron;me too
1415763;1456453206;danielpbarron;enough even to make up for my Paul loss
1415764;1456453309;asciilifeform;buttman.com.ar ??
1415765;1456454721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19199 @ 0.00056837 = 10.9121 BTC [+]
1415766;1456454888;mthreat;it turns out mircea has written about buttman before.
1415767;1456454890;mthreat;!s buttman
1415768;1456454891;assbot;3 results for 'buttman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buttman
1415769;1456454975;mircea_popescu;mthreat lol. that's the sex shop on corrientes 2ksomething
1415770;1456454990;mircea_popescu;that ALSO does not have a lacquered red leather ball gag
1415771;1456455106;mircea_popescu;mthreat> it turns out mircea has written about buttman before. << trilema contains all things!
1415772;1456455697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14711 @ 0.00056837 = 8.3613 BTC [+]
1415773;1456456393;mircea_popescu;in random weird from canada news, http://www.philo5.com/Feminisme-Masculisme/890612%20Lettre%20de%20Marc%20Lepine.htm
1415774;1456456560;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Farmers Shift To Complete Loss Control Mode As Corn Belt Keeps Fraying - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-farmers-shift-to-complete-loss-control-mode-as-corn-belt-keeps-fraying/
1415775;1456456647;mats;http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-02-2016#1415729 << this looks like fun. would give me a reason to put my 'facedancer' board to use, fuzz some signed windows drivers
1415776;1456456647;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: actually, maybe s.nsa should release some basic code so every script kiddy with enough money to buy an usb can evil maid the shit out of any office space he can get into.
1415777;1456456753;mircea_popescu;not to discourage creativity, but considering what we're discussing here, something absolutely ridiculous would problably work just fine. gif/tiff/whatever exploit relying on windows computer autoplays sticks, for instance.
1415778;1456456762;mircea_popescu;iirc the gfx were still full of holes, today as in 2005.
1415779;1456456785;mircea_popescu;the fonts are prolly also full of holes, and who knows what else even
1415780;1456456826;mats;tons of fonts bugs in the wild, yes
1415781;1456457029;danielpbarron;!up Guest86209
1415782;1456457075;danielpbarron;Guest86209, you've met gmaxwell and Luke-Jr ?
1415783;1456457199;BingoBoingo;You couldn't go wrong with something that targets all 3 to 4 generations of stuxnet hole
1415784;1456457598;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415773 << megafamous, uncle al had an essay re: it.
1415785;1456457598;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 03:13:13; mircea_popescu: in random weird from canada news, http://www.philo5.com/Feminisme-Masculisme/890612%20Lettre%20de%20Marc%20Lepine.htm
1415786;1456457621;asciilifeform;~the~ canadian p0stal.
1415787;1456457647;asciilifeform;for piglet!!111
1415788;1456457707;BingoBoingo;Mortadella!!!
1415789;1456457978;mircea_popescu;aha
1415790;1456458077;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems kinda bizarre. i still don't get what exactly an assortment of old prunes clining on to their delusions of feminity did to him.
1415791;1456458132;mircea_popescu;this is what always gets me about these "i was hurt by feminism" fellows : nigga, say wut ?! the club of bingo ladies who still like to wear skirts bothered you ?! da fuck were you doing at the bingo parlour ?!
1415792;1456458223;asciilifeform;lepine wanted 'me tooo'
1415793;1456458230;mircea_popescu;me too what ?
1415794;1456458250;asciilifeform;was none too happy with the 'reich for women' thing
1415795;1456458257;mircea_popescu;wassat ?
1415796;1456458259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13572 @ 0.00056962 = 7.7309 BTC [+]
1415797;1456458269;asciilifeform;recall the train seats?
1415798;1456458282;asciilifeform;that.
1415799;1456458291;mircea_popescu;and ~feminists~ did that ?!
1415800;1456458308;asciilifeform;hey nobody said the fella was bright.
1415801;1456458317;mircea_popescu;lemme guess, and meninists did the 90s porn revolution ? not digicams ?
1415802;1456458340;mircea_popescu;actually yeah, the psychs iirc said he was bright.
1415803;1456458394;asciilifeform;perhaps compared to the available sample of cattle, sure.
1415804;1456458427;mircea_popescu;i guess. the problem still stands tho. all these dudes "hurt by feminism" are like the wolf complaining spam cans broke his teeth.
1415805;1456458432;mircea_popescu;what the fuck were you doing eating cans!
1415806;1456458449;asciilifeform;the answer is - being a wolf with nothing but spam can.
1415807;1456458452;asciilifeform;what else.
1415808;1456458471;mircea_popescu;but this is absurd. for one thing the twain shall never meet.
1415809;1456458477;mircea_popescu;where does a wolf even fucking encounter a can
1415810;1456458496;asciilifeform;in demented zoo, where else.
1415811;1456458517;mircea_popescu;so your idea is that this 20something mousy french guy had a thing for older women, they kept rejecting him
1415812;1456458526;mircea_popescu;so he decided to shoot a bunch of polytechnic students ?
1415813;1456458559;asciilifeform;iirc they were 'diversity admits'.
1415814;1456458575;mircea_popescu;the very notion, he hates feminists so he shoots adolescents. i suppose if he hated policeman he'd have shot plumbers.
1415815;1456458601;mircea_popescu;i dunno, 5-10 in 50-60 is about what females traditionally do at polytechnic.
1415816;1456458616;mircea_popescu;was same in 50s, was same in 80s, ro, ru, fr, wherever.
1415817;1456458623;asciilifeform;postal folks tend to shoot he closest approximation they can get to.
1415818;1456458635;mircea_popescu;so he couldn't get to nursing home ?
1415819;1456458635;asciilifeform;*the
1415820;1456458655;mircea_popescu;shoot a bunch of women at jewish home, about 54098564096056% more feminist per bullet.
1415821;1456458664;asciilifeform;where are you even getting the older thing
1415822;1456458672;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ?
1415823;1456458680;asciilifeform;nobody gives a fuck re old women
1415824;1456458691;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204561 << re: killing plumbers
1415825;1456458691;assbot;Logged on 17-07-2015 14:41:07; assbot: Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXTyV )
1415826;1456458694;mircea_popescu;so then what is all this talking of feminists as if one gives a shit ?
1415827;1456458747;asciilifeform;it is a boojum in the mind of specific certain people, and it is invariably a reasonably young chick
1415828;1456458796;asciilifeform;of the 'недавашка' (how do english that??) flavour.
1415829;1456458797;mircea_popescu;yeah well. meanwhile at reality ranch, all contact sports have this phenomena, where people age out of it. it's natural. but they don't WANT out of it, because they fucking liked it. so they become radio commentators, referees, whatever they can find.
1415830;1456458807;mircea_popescu;occasionally they get going some effort to reform this or that about the sport in question
1415831;1456458808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10394 @ 0.00056811 = 5.9049 BTC [-] {2} 
1415832;1456458814;mircea_popescu;THAT is your feminists. who the fuck cares, really.
1415833;1456458826;mircea_popescu;so talk show hosts don't like how the ball's being swung ?
1415834;1456458911;asciilifeform;anyway the mega-question is, who ought he have shot?
1415835;1456458922;asciilifeform;that he could get to.
1415836;1456458924;mircea_popescu;self-described feminist is, definitionally, old-gendered person that hasn't yet come to terms with it, still sees self as female.
1415837;1456458930;mircea_popescu;in what sense it'd be the case is anyone's guess, but whatever.
1415838;1456458949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if he ACTUALLY hated feminists, he seriouslty should have light up a jewish old folks home.
1415839;1456458959;mircea_popescu;either "gender" also, da fuck difference does it make by then.
1415840;1456458972;asciilifeform;he wanted to plug ~powerful~
1415841;1456458981;asciilifeform;not alzheimers, wtf
1415842;1456458983;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha so he shot some students ?
1415843;1456458990;asciilifeform;aha
1415844;1456459001;mircea_popescu;come on. wtf power, in what world are students anything but the subway chewinggum on people's soles.
1415845;1456459003;asciilifeform;as breivik, later
1415846;1456459034;asciilifeform;'make the next batch think' maybe it was, in his head..
1415847;1456459050;mircea_popescu;i suppose...
1415848;1456459060;mircea_popescu;think what, "don't be a feminist or you might get plugged" ?
1415849;1456459078;asciilifeform;nfi
1415850;1456459103;mircea_popescu;seems deeply uninformed as to how biological processes with a cognitive component work in humans.
1415851;1456459118;mircea_popescu;every adolescent slut promises herself she'll be anything but her mother,
1415852;1456459129;mircea_popescu;every 40something ex-adolescent slut is EXACTLY her mother.
1415853;1456459138;asciilifeform;this is as far as i'm able to follow the thought process before it ceases to make sense.
1415854;1456459143;mircea_popescu;not like what she resolves to do or not do in one phase has any fucking bearing on the next.
1415855;1456459166;asciilifeform;no shit
1415856;1456459169;mircea_popescu;for that matter, every insecure, death-fearing derp promises himself he'll do himself in before he's too decreipt
1415857;1456459184;mircea_popescu;every decrepit ex-insecure derp, still death-fearing, happily drools on the side of hte ouch
1415858;1456459216;asciilifeform;this too is malnutrition!
1415859;1456459226;asciilifeform;Insufficient millimorts.
1415860;1456459239;asciilifeform;in modern 'diet'.
1415861;1456459254;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1415862;1456459295;mircea_popescu;anyway. no sane girl / young woman ever becomes a feminist because she WANTS to become a feminist. they spend more on creams than you spend on hardware.
1415863;1456459303;mircea_popescu;they just fucking age into it, and it doesn't ask them./
1415864;1456459316;asciilifeform;explain the 20yo ones then.
1415865;1456459323;mircea_popescu;the 20yo ones whats
1415866;1456459339;asciilifeform;feminists.
1415867;1456459355;asciilifeform;and they are in every other liberasty also.
1415868;1456459357;mircea_popescu;maybe we don't share a definition. feminist = inept old prune with nothing better to do than drone on about things nobody gives a shit about.
1415869;1456459369;asciilifeform;'free paaaalestine!!1'
1415870;1456459370;mircea_popescu;what 20 yo feminist ? show me one.
1415871;1456459391;mircea_popescu;it'll be either a chick nobody could conceivably want for any purpose, so basically an old prune before her time,
1415872;1456459391;asciilifeform;visit usa ccollege campus. any of'em.
1415873;1456459408;mircea_popescu;or else a total coy princess fucking with people's nerves. which - is fine and good, but it's not in any sense a feminist
1415874;1456459422;mircea_popescu;at least not more than the chick claiming lesbianism to escape inept advances is actually gay.
1415875;1456459448;*;asciilifeform has nfi, and gotta go swap a disk, bbl
1415876;1456459457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i'd see what i and anyone else always and forever sees on college campuses. a buncha dizzy cows of either gender. what!
1415877;1456459483;mircea_popescu;the dudes are programmers about as much as the chicks are feminists.
1415878;1456459548;mircea_popescu;and all of them secret agents, astronauts, power rangers and teenage neutered minja turtles or w/e it was.
1415879;1456459553;mircea_popescu;ganja ?
1415880;1456459555;mircea_popescu;i forget.
1415881;1456460047;danielpbarron;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4KFNhxibec << re: killing jewish old folks
1415882;1456460048;assbot;Brazil - 2 - Terror at Lunch.avi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oz5tn2 )
1415883;1456460133;mircea_popescu;these are rich tho
1415884;1456460146;mircea_popescu;feminists are ~what lawyers used to be in the gilt age
1415885;1456460161;mircea_popescu;about as poor as church mice, the dumb runts in the litter.
1415886;1456460638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00056962 = 15.4937 BTC [+]
1415887;1456463899;ben_vulpes;http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here
1415888;1456463901;assbot;The Lisp Curse ... ( http://bit.ly/1paQdIo )
1415889;1456464237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35091 @ 0.0005662 = 19.8685 BTC [-] {3} 
1415890;1456464481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6347 @ 0.00057005 = 3.6181 BTC [+] {2} 
1415891;1456464492;adlai;!s meth lsd lisp
1415892;1456464493;assbot;1 results for 'meth lsd lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meth+lsd+lisp
1415893;1456465306;mircea_popescu;possibly because nobody here really gives much of a shit about attempt #whatever to misrepresent the world in terms of "herd good, individual bad" yadda yadda ?
1415894;1456465502;mircea_popescu;for that same money, "tmsr will fail because it won't be able to hire enough starbucks barristas and bitcoin will fail because it won't be able to get enough poor africans to spam the blockchain with their irrelevant, unwelcome dust txn"
1415895;1456465665;mircea_popescu;The Lisp Curse does not contradict the maxim of Stanislav Datskovskiy: Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive.
1415896;1456465669;mircea_popescu;holy shit someone quoted alf.\
1415897;1456465672;mircea_popescu;is the world ending ?
1415898;1456465688;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1415899;1456465689;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MTGBAC.txt )
1415900;1456465730;mircea_popescu;"With some justice, JavaScript has been described as "Scheme in C's clothing" despite originating in those cube farm hells."
1415901;1456465735;mircea_popescu;omfg this is epic trollage 10/10
1415902;1456465739;mircea_popescu;i hope he never read it
1415903;1456465754;mircea_popescu;javascript!
1415904;1456465868;mircea_popescu;"The reason why this doesn't happen is because of the Lisp Curse. Large numbers of Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. Look more closely: Large numbers of the kind of people who become Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. And they would have to cooperate with each other on a design which was not already a given from the beginning. And there wouldn't be any external discipline, such as
1415905;1456465868;mircea_popescu; a venture capitalist or other corporate master, to keep them on track."
1415906;1456465905;mircea_popescu;mk, i'm done reading. herpitty-derp, "the only way things can be done is by obama and i wonder why those other people havent' come to an alternative to obama that's obama ? I KNOW! because they can't, that's why! it'd be obama. ha-ha!!1"
1415907;1456465945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00056463 = 7.3967 BTC [-]
1415908;1456465966;mircea_popescu;but if i like the way rudolf the winestockdeer thinks and designs websites, i'll surely hire him.
1415909;1456466007;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in post-party news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fffc2ad60334d81c4aebe76ff715f5d5/tumblr_nhz4s9U3aT1t0quw8o1_1280.jpg
1415910;1456466008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhrtZ0 )
1415911;1456466067;ben_vulpes;someone quoted alf << and in 2011 even
1415912;1456466094;mircea_popescu;ima go think and designed some webtits-es. laters.
1415913;1456466433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00057027 = 8.4685 BTC [+]
1415914;1456468385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59316 @ 0.00057427 = 34.0634 BTC [+] {5} 
1415915;1456469239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.00057582 = 1.143 BTC [+] {3} 
1415916;1456469300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.00057895 = 9.3952 BTC [+]
1415917;1456469361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00056448 = 13.4911 BTC [-] {3} 
1415918;1456469544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61650 @ 0.00057895 = 35.6923 BTC [+]
1415919;1456471679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10742 @ 0.00057338 = 6.1592 BTC [-] {2} 
1415920;1456474851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26715 @ 0.00057103 = 15.2551 BTC [-] {2} 
1415921;1456475217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29825 @ 0.00056432 = 16.8308 BTC [-] {2} 
1415922;1456475349;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcHQ6SoXEAAZQuW.jpg:large
1415923;1456475350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6hIcH )
1415924;1456475576;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo-essays/2016-02-24/startups-pitch-vcs-from-freezing-water
1415925;1456475577;assbot;Startups Pitch VCs From Freezing Water - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6ibvm )
1415926;1456475702;punkman;"When set to blocksonly a node behaves normally but sends and receives no loose transactions; instead it handles only complete blocks. Blocksonly reduced the node's bandwidth usage by 88%."
1415927;1456476337;punkman;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/47o1h4/anxpro_suspended_bank_wires_10_days_ago_was/
1415928;1456476339;assbot;ANXPRO suspended Bank Wires 10 days ago ... was supposed to only last 48 hours. Time to withdraw my coins ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCyUuZ )
1415929;1456476437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00057895 = 10.6237 BTC [+]
1415930;1456479792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00057831 = 4.4819 BTC [-]
1415931;1456481500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11451 @ 0.00056404 = 6.4588 BTC [-]
1415932;1456481665;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaPohceWkAA26fc.jpg
1415933;1456481666;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJl0AT )
1415934;1456483025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00056571 = 11.2859 BTC [+] {3} 
1415935;1456483086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00056387 = 20.6376 BTC [-] {4} 
1415936;1456486807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33254 @ 0.00057232 = 19.0319 BTC [+] {2} 
1415937;1456488210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14199 @ 0.00057348 = 8.1428 BTC [+] {3} 
1415938;1456489643;mircea_popescu; Time to withdraw my coins ? <<< naaaaa
1415939;1456489668;mircea_popescu;worst possible time to withdraw coins is FUCKING IMMEDIATELY. best possible time is you know, two weeks after the thing disappears. gooooooo reddit!
1415940;1456489684;shinohai;kek
1415941;1456489748;mircea_popescu;actually the blocksonly thing is not even stupid.
1415942;1456489769;mircea_popescu;difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad.
1415943;1456490472;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other news, http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#comment-116653
1415944;1456490473;assbot;Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XPA1bf )
1415945;1456491565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00056754 = 18.2464 BTC [-] {3} 
1415946;1456492094;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415887 << saw this snore ages ago when it appeared in my www logs
1415947;1456492094;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 05:18:19; ben_vulpes: http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here
1415948;1456492103;asciilifeform;still snore.
1415949;1456492154;mircea_popescu;aww
1415950;1456492159;mircea_popescu;y u no surprise.
1415951;1456492208;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415896 << there used to be a regular thing of 'i can't actually refute but hete's 10,001 random words' claptrap re: my www
1415952;1456492208;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 05:47:49; mircea_popescu: holy shit someone quoted alf.\
1415953;1456492217;asciilifeform;*here
1415954;1456492599;asciilifeform;l0l the old dayz, when i used to write...
1415955;1456492811;mircea_popescu;aww!
1415956;1456492817;mircea_popescu;you still write, just... lines.
1415957;1456492905;asciilifeform;i meant, for the heathens.
1415958;1456492947;mircea_popescu;a a
1415959;1456493334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82950 @ 0.00056926 = 47.2201 BTC [+] {5} 
1415960;1456493544;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415942 << set min fee to some ridiculous value, and you have a block-only relay...!
1415961;1456493544;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 12:29:29; mircea_popescu: difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad.
1415962;1456493589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, you still talk the txn before rejecting them.
1415963;1456493598;mircea_popescu;the idea is to not send getx
1415964;1456493606;asciilifeform;ah
1415965;1456493708;asciilifeform;this would not be a very useful node other than for bootstrapping nodes..?
1415966;1456493736;mircea_popescu;and preserving tghe history and WHAT THE FUCK ALREADY.
1415967;1456493744;mircea_popescu;who puts tits and cunt on the same organic item ?
1415968;1456493757;mircea_popescu;separate. weren't you talking about separation as the basis of engineering ? what became of that ?
1415969;1456493759;asciilifeform;ok i can think of 3 or 4 uses
1415970;1456493802;asciilifeform;but i will have you know that i don't cut the tits from the rest.
1415971;1456493818;asciilifeform;or the legs off the table.
1415972;1456493826;mircea_popescu;not even after it's cooked ?
1415973;1456493835;asciilifeform;only then.
1415974;1456493845;mircea_popescu;aok
1415975;1456493854;mircea_popescu;maybe there is japanesehope for you.
1415976;1456493866;asciilifeform;l0l!
1415977;1456493884;mircea_popescu;(me as a small child spent a while lost in this entire separator mode)
1415978;1456493904;mircea_popescu;the value of a toy being ~proportional with an exponential of its separability.
1415979;1456493904;asciilifeform;i thought everyone had
1415980;1456493916;mircea_popescu;old pocket watch - best toy. all other toys, downgrade from there.
1415981;1456493922;asciilifeform;aha!
1415982;1456494008;asciilifeform;anyway i kinda made this node when did the eatblock experiment.
1415983;1456494034;asciilifeform;that was when i learned of the 2 leak types
1415984;1456494056;asciilifeform;(blkindex and the tx retardation)
1415985;1456494264;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.06000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b121
1415986;1456494329;mircea_popescu;aha
1415987;1456494737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23511 @ 0.00056379 = 13.2553 BTC [-] {3} 
1415988;1456494920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19722 @ 0.00056853 = 11.2125 BTC [+] {2} 
1415989;1456495591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14724 @ 0.00056368 = 8.2996 BTC [-] {2} 
1415990;1456496078;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKakt2tDQA
1415991;1456496080;assbot;trupa ASIA   Suna periculos @ TEO by Danyel Cta 360p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pc7h0L )
1415992;1456497281;phf;ben_vulpes: http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here << it's a whole genre, with roots in usenet days. "~i~ of course grok lisp, but the masses won't, so i use perl, which is as good, so ya'll should stop whatever you're doing". has the standard reaction of "where the fuck are you idiots coming from". naggum gained his notoriety mostly by arguing with these people,
1415993;1456497284;phf;unsuccessfully
1415994;1456497323;mircea_popescu;more importantly - arguing with these people FROM A POSITION OF EQUALITY.
1415995;1456497345;mircea_popescu;it'd necessarily be and remain unsuccessful, for as long as naggum thinks socialism works, the idiots keep spawning. they come... from him.
1415996;1456497942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's say he... hadn't. what then ?
1415997;1456497989;mircea_popescu;you can't posit a negative.
1415998;1456498014;asciilifeform;why the fuck not ?
1415999;1456498028;mircea_popescu;because you have to posit something that can be. negatives can't be - that's what they are, non-being.
1416000;1456498046;mircea_popescu;if you prefer - you can't meta-posit. plox posit like common folk, dismoun.
1416001;1456498047;asciilifeform;fine, let's say he had argued from a position of man-cockroach superiority
1416002;1456498050;mircea_popescu;dismount*
1416003;1456498067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so he has a) other men ; b) some good reason he's entertaining cockroaches ?
1416004;1456498070;mircea_popescu;example :
1416005;1456498122;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792152
1416006;1456498122;assbot;Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:55; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
1416007;1456498215;mircea_popescu;understand that it is never upon the cockroach to explain why man doesn't have house. that's what the duality is all about.
1416008;1456498219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, eventually he woke up to the futility of entertaining cockroaches.
1416009;1456498228;asciilifeform;naggum died in '09, his last usened post - circa '04.
1416010;1456498228;mircea_popescu;this is not for a second what's spoken of here.
1416011;1456498237;asciilifeform;*usenet
1416012;1456498242;mircea_popescu;so bum in train station woke up to futility of entertaining cockroaches ? and what, moved on to rats ?
1416013;1456498248;asciilifeform;moved on to ????.
1416014;1456498249;mircea_popescu;how about get a fucking job, buy a house...
1416015;1456498305;mircea_popescu;bum that died in ditch, whether he was or was not playing with cockrtoaches in the few minutes prior, still was and died a bum.
1416016;1456498306;asciilifeform;my understanding is that herr n. had money, which was then taken by the crown, the story is in the logz.
1416017;1456498315;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
1416018;1456498325;mircea_popescu;point remains - no house, how are you man ?
1416019;1456498344;mircea_popescu;boy, perhaps ?
1416020;1456498348;mircea_popescu;one day to be man ?
1416021;1456498350;asciilifeform;for this question, not to me, but straight to primo levi's 'if this is a man'.
1416022;1456498361;phf;i think on top of his fine personal qualities, naggum had an unhealthy obsession, because the system was new and there was no hygiene
1416023;1456498362;asciilifeform;(concerning auschwitz.)
1416024;1456498408;mircea_popescu;phf i do not say this necessarily to bellitle the man in question. but the matter must be said i nthe plainest terms for posteriority.
1416025;1456498423;mircea_popescu;aristotle also did not have condoms, to his detriment, but readily excused.
1416026;1456498434;asciilifeform;i still want to know what mircea_popescu sees naggum as ought to have done.
1416027;1456498440;mircea_popescu;made b-a.
1416028;1456498444;asciilifeform;out of what ?
1416029;1456498450;mircea_popescu;bitch, what is this!
1416030;1456498455;mircea_popescu;"make a house" "out of what" "fuck you."
1416031;1456498455;asciilifeform;srsly bitcoin did not exist.
1416032;1456498459;mircea_popescu;so ?
1416033;1456498475;asciilifeform;l. davinci had a better chance of building a radio set.
1416034;1456498478;mircea_popescu;so ?
1416035;1456498481;asciilifeform;than naggum - b-a.
1416036;1456498485;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do you think this is, school ?
1416037;1456498494;mircea_popescu;"but teacher, this shouldn't be on the exam, we didn't have it in class!"
1416038;1456498506;mircea_popescu;everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
1416039;1456498511;mircea_popescu;better get good at reading the future.
1416040;1456498531;asciilifeform;one day, martian ship lands on mircea_popescu's roof. with difficulty, commander directs him to build a new bzorktl to replace the burned out one.
1416041;1456498571;asciilifeform;but yes, condom is on aristotle's exam.
1416042;1456498579;phf;b-a restructured my thinking about how to talk to people, "oh hey ~you~ engaged ~me~, and i'm no longer entertained". to some extent naggum taught a lot of lispers on how to deal with trolls. i saw edi weitz engaged on this subject by random derps at conferences, he nods, politely, once or twice, then walks away. and not just him. but naggum example is very specific to troll engagement, so..
1416043;1456498604;mircea_popescu;phf not a matter of trolls, mind.
1416044;1456498605;asciilifeform;phf: it is an astonishingly valuable tool.
1416045;1456498608;mircea_popescu;trolls are quite respectable fellows
1416046;1456498611;mircea_popescu;idiots are not.
1416047;1456498634;phf;right right
1416048;1456498718;mircea_popescu;and i'm not for a second proposing i'm better or anything. i have the purely accidental benefit of having spent a lot of my youthful years in this position where people did not fucking dare even open the trap. whereas most smart kids of the sort society tends to castrate for fattening live quite otherwise.
1416049;1456498730;mircea_popescu;but all this is besides the point : there's a right way and wrong ways and there's all there is to it.
1416050;1456499191;mircea_popescu;(but yes, capon is the word. the moment you see a kid with a "college education" "despising" violence, you know precisely the fuck's going on. as per alf's discussion of those exploited monkeys, exactly. oxen gathering together to talk out of line about the bull's specific smell.)
1416051;1456499243;asciilifeform;if the only kind of violence you can picture is of the farmer, against your own neck - then yes, pig despises.
1416052;1456499252;asciilifeform;why shouldn't he.
1416053;1456499264;mircea_popescu;this... separation, shall we call it, between intelligent man (ie, he who could put the balls to use) and "orc", ie, man with all the parts still attached is INTEGRAL for ...
1416054;1456499287;mircea_popescu;not for civilisation, mind. for this ugly rat of a creature that is really copyrasty and pretense, part of which pretense is to call self civilisation
1416055;1456499298;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, one of the least civilised things ever contemplated.
1416056;1456499303;asciilifeform;quite arguably rome had it.
1416057;1456499311;mircea_popescu;an empire must have it.
1416058;1456499316;asciilifeform;aha.
1416059;1456499324;mircea_popescu;rome the worth the mention rome, did not.
1416060;1456499339;mircea_popescu;it instead had the quite plain understanding that civilisation is what happens at the other end of the mentula.
1416061;1456499382;mircea_popescu;or to quote, "mentula cum doleat imperio, tibi, lector, culus. non sum divinus..."
1416062;1456499385;asciilifeform;l0l!
1416063;1456499388;mircea_popescu;aha.
1416064;1456500167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15906 @ 0.00056368 = 8.9659 BTC [-]
1416065;1456500228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11194 @ 0.00056363 = 6.3093 BTC [-]
1416066;1456500499;phf;asciilifeform: see, e.g., harlan ellison << one good thing came out of this guy, http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ihavenomouth/imustscream.htm
1416067;1456500500;assbot;Hardcore Gaming 101: I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream ... ( http://bit.ly/1XPKLGs )
1416068;1456500508;asciilifeform;phf: i played !
1416069;1456500522;asciilifeform;quite arguably the game owes precious-little to the short story (which i read)
1416070;1456500534;asciilifeform;famously, ellison demanded that there be no way to win.
1416071;1456500538;asciilifeform;publisher overruled.
1416072;1456500600;mircea_popescu;lol
1416073;1456500606;mircea_popescu;why ?!
1416074;1456500614;asciilifeform;ask him, not me
1416075;1456500622;asciilifeform;or read the (pretty cruddy) tale
1416076;1456500624;mircea_popescu;seems like a great idea for a game.
1416077;1456500633;asciilifeform;it is about depression, desperation, and eternal torment.
1416078;1456500636;mircea_popescu;i thought nintendo was predicatedc on this
1416079;1456500644;asciilifeform;mno not in the nintendo sense
1416080;1456500653;asciilifeform;he wanted all paths to lead to square 1
1416081;1456500670;mircea_popescu;better than yet another "Congratulations!" thing
1416082;1456500716;asciilifeform;regardless, it was a very memorable game.
1416083;1456500730;asciilifeform;i still recall the dirigible powered by pain.
1416084;1456500741;mircea_popescu;lol
1416085;1456500769;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr50rXDBsyk
1416086;1456500770;assbot;Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0y7Fi )
1416087;1456500817;phf;definitely very memorable game
1416088;1456501294;asciilifeform;'this lever is labeled MOTIVATOR.'
1416089;1456501369;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/Hr50rXDBsyk?t=23m44s
1416090;1456501370;assbot;Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0zMe6 )
1416091;1456501456;trinque;one of my favorite books.
1416092;1456502779;mats;http://greatscottgadgets.com/2016/02-19-low-cost-simplisafe-attacks/
1416093;1456502780;assbot;Great Scott Gadgets - Low Cost SimpliSafe Attacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1WO3pNV )
1416094;1456502805;mats;moar 'security' products
1416095;1456502921;mats;and these bugs can't be patched.
1416096;1456503339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00056823 = 10.2281 BTC [+] {2} 
1416097;1456503705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00056831 = 18.7258 BTC [+] {2} 
1416098;1456506328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00056689 = 2.7211 BTC [-]
1416099;1456506340;PeterL;so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
1416100;1456507094;danielpbarron;!up ZH3JNii
1416101;1456507124;danielpbarron;!up warptangent_
1416102;1456507182;danielpbarron;!up Keefe_
1416103;1456507280;danielpbarron;!up eric
1416104;1456507344;danielpbarron;!up julmac
1416105;1456507768;danielpbarron;!up da2ce7
1416106;1456507954;ben_vulpes;sheesh
1416107;1456507963;ben_vulpes;i only linked that piece because it quoted stan!
1416108;1456508073;danielpbarron;!up doot
1416109;1456508158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00056689 = 7.6332 BTC [-]
1416110;1456508860;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there was no shortage of this crud while i was actively writing for the heathens.
1416111;1456508873;asciilifeform;at one point, one or more / week.
1416112;1456510171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00056597 = 33.9582 BTC [-] {2} 
1416113;1456510659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00056876 = 8.6167 BTC [+] {3} 
1416114;1456512088;punkman;lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
1416115;1456512109;asciilifeform;consensus!11111
1416116;1456512175;asciilifeform;'‘Ach, sir, it iss worse when they become refractory! One man, I recall, clung to the bars of hiss cage when we went to take him out. You will scarcely credit, sir, that it took six warders to dislodge him, three pulling at each leg. We reasoned with him. “My dear fellow,” we said, “think of all the pain and trouble you are causing to us!” But no, he would not listen! Ach, he wass very troublesome!’'
1416117;1456512181;asciilifeform;^ related. orwell's 'hanging'.
1416118;1456512209;asciilifeform;(to be read in a proper indian 'spam call center' accent !)
1416119;1456512247;phf;the beatings will continue until consensus is established
1416120;1456512255;punkman;heh
1416121;1456512323;punkman;in other lulz http://www.ekathimerini.com/206182/article/ekathimerini/business/govt-plan-for-forced-use-of-cards-runs-into-the-markets-failure-to-adapt
1416122;1456512323;assbot;Gov’t plan for forced use of cards runs into the market’s failure to adapt | Business | ekathimerini.com ... ( http://bit.ly/21xoOye )
1416123;1456512428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.000569 = 10.8679 BTC [+]
1416124;1456512916;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://media.scmagazine.com/documents/212/shaun_bridges_silk_road_52828.pdf << qntra ?
1416125;1456512917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/21xqDLm )
1416126;1456512917;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1416127;1456512961;trinque;"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."
1416128;1456512973;asciilifeform;^^ aha, it
1416129;1456513076;*;asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown
1416130;1456513108;asciilifeform;oh, and, 'validationless mining.'
1416131;1456513111;asciilifeform;takes the cake.
1416132;1456513147;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: those weak blocks idiocy has been in my lulz hopper for a while
1416133;1456513304;phf;asciilifeform: scheme-knobs is the canonical place to tweak the ifdef's in scheme.c?
1416134;1456513433;asciilifeform;phf: aha.
1416135;1456513450;asciilifeform;i thought this was obvious.
1416136;1456513493;phf;just checking
1416137;1456513543;phf;i'm cleaning up my clang build script, and somehow i lost the *error-hook* functionality. which makes no sense since it wasn't defined anywhere else, but it was definitely working since there's a bunch of catches in swank that i had to write to make sure things don't crash
1416138;1456513546;phf;i'm very confused...
1416139;1456513622;phf;actually that's already defined in scheme.h
1416140;1456513690;asciilifeform;phf: if you find something out of place, feel welcome to move it.
1416141;1456513700;asciilifeform;knobs belong in a knobs.h always.
1416142;1456513722;asciilifeform;that's where sane folks look for them, at any rate.
1416143;1456513780;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts
1416144;1456513780;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
1416145;1456513820;asciilifeform;why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot.
1416146;1456513847;kakobrekla;i dont think that works for pooling
1416147;1456513854;asciilifeform;hm.
1416148;1456513924;trinque;mod6_: V99995 built on deedbox, is now happily munching blocks.
1416149;1456514437;asciilifeform;in other lulz,
1416150;1456514438;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/02/can-spies-break-apple-crypto.htm
1416151;1456514440;assbot;Can Spies Break Apple Crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/21xv1Kz )
1416152;1456514450;asciilifeform;'"The All Writs Act also requires that the govt prove to the Court that the 3rd party's efforts are *required* -- i.e., that the govt has *exhausted* all other means to achieve the desired result. In particular, that *all* departments of the govt have been consulted, and *none* of them has the required capabilities.'
1416153;1456515000;trinque;thus the fact that usg can compel any company to do anything for any reason loses the pretense of secrecy.
1416154;1456515056;trinque;I've seen various polls of the pasture reporting majority approval of the FBI's "side" of this.
1416155;1456515783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29510 @ 0.00056498 = 16.6726 BTC [-] {2} 
1416156;1456516057;ben_vulpes;well think of the children trinque
1416157;1456516061;ben_vulpes;we must decrypt the children
1416158;1456516069;ben_vulpes;only a criminal would encrypt a child
1416159;1456516071;ben_vulpes;or a gun
1416160;1456516104;*;trinque goes to sell children encryption on the dark webs
1416161;1456516410;ben_vulpes;YOU WOULDN'T ENCRYPT A CHILD
1416162;1456517575;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bridges Suspected Of Having Unknown Accomplices As Sound Money Undermines Fiat Loyalties - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bridges-suspected-of-having-unknown-accomplices-as-sound-money-undermines-fiat-loyalties/
1416163;1456517830;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'aim at Bridges' --> aimed
1416164;1456517876;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: fxd, ty
1416165;1456518196;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416099 << that'd be "civilised men everywhere" or some such.
1416166;1456518196;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
1416167;1456518203;mircea_popescu;humanity. whatever you call it.
1416168;1456518243;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 << who is this guy again ?
1416169;1456518243;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
1416170;1456518331;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416129 << it is pretty lulzy. apparently when you decapitate worms, indistinct spew comes out. who knew.
1416171;1456518331;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 18:57:56; *: asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown
1416172;1456518351;asciilifeform;i thought you get 2 worms per.
1416173;1456518378;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416145 << usgware is weaker than pressed shitboard.
1416174;1456518378;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 19:10:20; asciilifeform: why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot.
1416175;1456518456;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulzy at the too-smart-by-half usg. OH WE CAPTURED GOBAG!!!11
1416176;1456518458;mircea_popescu;go you.
1416177;1456518489;asciilifeform;wtf is gobag
1416178;1456518553;mircea_popescu;you know, like hobag with an accent ?
1416179;1456518589;asciilifeform;ferfuxxsake wtf is hobag
1416180;1456518596;asciilifeform;a hobo's bag ?
1416181;1456518620;mircea_popescu;lol.
1416182;1456518638;mircea_popescu;ok ok. a hobag is just a superlative of ho, which is a ghetto contraction of whore.
1416183;1456518657;asciilifeform;but not a bag thereof ? hm.
1416184;1456518665;mircea_popescu;meanwhile a gobag would be, i presume, on the basis of coverage of this shaun bridges proud representative of the usg in all its glory, the thing he was going to run off with
1416185;1456518678;mircea_popescu;ie, the bag of valuable traveling merchants carry on their person, of peculiar interest to rogues
1416186;1456518683;mircea_popescu;be they rogue persons or rogue states.
1416187;1456518758;BingoBoingo;that is what it is
1416188;1456518760;asciilifeform;ah ~that~ bag.
1416189;1456518779;trinque;aka bug-out bag
1416190;1456518809;mircea_popescu;entirely and utterly different from hodrum, which is this : http://41.media.tumblr.com/a742c8f313adb16ea1b44a2fffbc2c76/tumblr_nk31qjugOb1t0quw8o1_1280.jpg
1416191;1456518811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtK0Ak )
1416192;1456518821;BingoBoingo;trinque: No, different thing. Bug-out bag is what future refugees pack for when Syria moves to them.
1416193;1456519168;punkman;bug-out bag makes me think of preppers, so useless things inside
1416194;1456519306;BingoBoingo;punkman: Not useless things, refugee things
1416195;1456519329;punkman;they aren't refugess so what do they know
1416196;1456519348;BingoBoingo;No, but that's what they prep for, to be the best refugees they can be
1416197;1456519363;punkman;right, sure
1416198;1456519399;BingoBoingo;I mean what the fuck else do you call someone who "bugs out" with a bag full of stuff as their primary preparation.
1416199;1456519469;punkman;go bag on the other hand, I imagine mostly filled with paper
1416200;1456519540;BingoBoingo;go bag generally is paired with potential destinations
1416201;1456519562;BingoBoingo;packed for a journey to X, Y, or Z
1416202;1456519589;BingoBoingo;bug out bag though is an exercise in playing refugee
1416203;1456519844;punkman;http://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/Porn-Industry-Uses-Airbnb-Rental-Houses-for-Filming-370228041.html
1416204;1456519845;assbot;Porn Industry Uses Airbnb, Rental Houses for Filming  | NBC Southern California ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtMj6C )
1416205;1456520140;trinque;I bet they don't even Lysol the place after.
1416206;1456520143;trinque;lol
1416207;1456520270;ben_vulpes;lewd
1416208;1456520860;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3889
1416209;1456520861;assbot;JL: The Pigs and I ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tcq0Gj )
1416210;1456520968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11289 @ 0.00056742 = 6.4056 BTC [+]
1416211;1456521155;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416208 << i have no idea whether lafond intentionally plays propagandist for the new gendarmerie. but there it is.
1416212;1456521155;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 21:07:40; BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3889
1416213;1456521170;asciilifeform;somehow i can't picture him enjoying the new federalized police any more than the old local.
1416214;1456521386;asciilifeform;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3842 << this one answers an old puzzle in my head...
1416215;1456521387;assbot;JL: Walking in the Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1TcqQmr )
1416216;1456521466;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: His problem is he publishes too much http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3901
1416217;1456521467;assbot;JL: Maneuvering against the All-Weather Hoodrat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1TcqY5e )
1416218;1456521512;BingoBoingo;Inventor versus crackpot is all about what percent of scribblings find the public
1416219;1456521917;asciilifeform;http://www.amren.com/news/2015/12/housing-policies-still-pin-poor-in-baltimore-but-some-escape-to-suburbs << lulzy, linked from somewhere in there
1416220;1456521919;assbot;Housing Policies Still Pin Poor in Baltimore, but Some Escape to Suburbs | American Renaissance ... ( http://bit.ly/1R8g76b )
1416221;1456521933;asciilifeform;'There are two main components to Baltimore’s “mobility” campaign, which aims to relocate public housing residents to better neighborhoods. Nearly 3,100 participating families, headed almost entirely by single black mothers, have relocated with special subsidies that are designed for high suburban rents; about 1,300 other families will join them over the next three years. Nearly 50 families, including Hill’s, have move
1416222;1456521933;asciilifeform;d into houses owned by the city housing authority in prosperous county communities; 110 more will soon move to houses in strong city neighborhoods.'
1416223;1456522029;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that insane bs.
1416224;1456522199;BingoBoingo;Orcification of viable appearing communities
1416225;1456522205;BingoBoingo;Spread the Poverty!!!
1416226;1456522219;mircea_popescu;idjits expect to spend tax receipts on giving free money to poor people ~enough so they can rent where rich people live~ ?!
1416227;1456522254;mircea_popescu;dude just cook and eat the poor already wtf is this.
1416228;1456522704;BingoBoingo;It's Obama's Amerikka
1416229;1456522714;BingoBoingo;Not cool enough for third K
1416230;1456522798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00056742 = 4.1138 BTC [+]
1416231;1456522826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is how they double the rents.
1416232;1456522827;phf;i think it's worthwhile to have an emergency bag. i wouldn't want to dig for my passports or backups or search for atms or whatever in a pinch..
1416233;1456522847;asciilifeform;'mr engineer? we heard that you're not paying your whole salary for rent yet ? here, have some diverse neighbours'
1416234;1456522895;asciilifeform;and doubtless mircea_popescu knows that they aren't spending tax receipts, but printolade.
1416235;1456522911;mircea_popescu;at which point mr engineer beats the shit out of the various derps thinking they're cool and rappers and whatnot, repossesses the black woman and reconstructs his grandfather's mansion
1416236;1456522920;mircea_popescu;in the happy song of yes massah all day long.
1416237;1456522937;phf;what is this, b-a take on tarantino plots
1416238;1456522958;asciilifeform;the 2nd half is perhaps take on 'rambo'
1416239;1456523024;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from inside the ring of world championship chessbox match
1416240;1456523042;mircea_popescu;but you're right, they won't. and you're right, ofcourse - printolade. which also happens to be EXACTLY what mr engineer is paind in, anyway. which is EXACTLY why he won't.
1416241;1456523055;mircea_popescu;same government FOR THE SAME REASONS and in the same ways gives all these niggers the house.
1416242;1456523068;mircea_popescu;whether it's through path a or path b, purely decorative difference.
1416243;1456523071;mircea_popescu;nobody belongs there anyway.
1416244;1456523086;asciilifeform;much plantation, but conspicuously absent is the massa's house.
1416245;1456523115;mircea_popescu;somehow "engineer" coexists with
1416246;1456523120;mircea_popescu;!s "signs of life"
1416247;1456523121;assbot;5 results for '"signs of life"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22signs+of+life%22
1416248;1456523137;mircea_popescu;in otherwords, how did you say "ei se fac ca ne platesc, noi ne facem ca muncim" in russian ?
1416249;1456523158;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bankruptcy Artist Promotes Easier Libel Suits - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bankruptcy-artist-promotes-easier-libel-suits/
1416250;1456523169;BingoBoingo;^ Lulz
1416251;1456523203;asciilifeform;afaik it was originally a ru thing
1416252;1456523209;mircea_popescu;heh.
1416253;1456523233;mircea_popescu;even lisp got bignum these days!
1416254;1456523237;asciilifeform;aha!
1416255;1456523246;asciilifeform;much.
1416256;1456523286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39089 @ 0.00056977 = 22.2717 BTC [+] {3} 
1416257;1456523742;danielpbarron;>> This comes Trump's << comes as* ?
1416258;1456523774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59150 @ 0.00056722 = 33.5511 BTC [-] {4} 
1416259;1456523871;danielpbarron;http://qntra.net/2016/02/growing-bitcoin-game-hits-high-for-single-day-play-seconds/#comment-46819 << hey I got a fan!
1416260;1456523872;assbot;Growing Bitcoin Game Hits High for Single Day Play-Seconds | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJ28tf )
1416261;1456524872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15358 @ 0.00056363 = 8.6562 BTC [-] {2} 
1416262;1456524956;mircea_popescu;he might be ironian.
1416263;1456525192;asciilifeform;lulzily, i recently tried 'trisquel linux' distro on a thinkpad x60, as mentioned, e.g., here, https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html - it croaks on boot during acpi init.
1416264;1456525193;assbot;How to install GNU/Linux on a libreboot system ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2nDaj )
1416265;1456525203;asciilifeform;'but hey it worked for rms'
1416266;1456525205;asciilifeform;somehow.
1416267;1456525318;phf;"Trisquel [...] derived from another distribution, Ubuntu." ?
1416268;1456525331;asciilifeform;phf: it was pitched as somehow decrufted
1416269;1456525350;asciilifeform;(by the 'libreboot' folks)
1416270;1456525353;phf;ah
1416271;1456525372;phf;did we do the whole debian as gentoo thing conversation?
1416272;1456525383;asciilifeform;not iirc ?
1416273;1456525481;*;danielpbarron is currently dealing with a debian problem: stuck on "Reading package lists... 0%" and don't want to reboot as per top search result for this string of text
1416274;1456525517;trinque;I've seen all manner of apt-fucked
1416275;1456525551;ben_vulpes;apt-get-fucked
1416276;1456525561;asciilifeform;every time i come near the temptation to try to produce a 'tmsr linux' affair, i get my face rubbed into the fact that there is no hardware.
1416277;1456525562;phf;i'll have to lookup relevant materials, since it's not in logs, but there are some threads on debian (or maybe duvian or whatever it's called) mail, that explain how to setup a semi automated build of deb packages, and there's some equivalent of useflags that let you control the deb build. so can rebuild entire stack into own package repository, have a decrufted b-a apt source, that's not necessarily audited, but at the very least
1416278;1456525562;phf;doesn't have freedesktop/systemd/...
1416279;1456525582;asciilifeform;that is, there is nothing whatsoever that i can rely on other people having, hardware-wise, that can be guaranteed to work
1416280;1456525601;trinque;phf: deedbot sits atop devuan, hasn't offended me just yet
1416281;1456525616;asciilifeform;even supposedly well-documented and 'linuxbiosable' items like the x60 apparently come in undocumented variations that barf
1416282;1456525636;asciilifeform;and i had to hunt for ~3 months to get a working example of the x60, also
1416283;1456525669;trinque;yeap, my attempt at providing a gentoo recipe was instructive.
1416284;1456525674;asciilifeform;(they are few, and getting fewer, unsurprisingly)
1416285;1456525684;trinque;"But this works for me every single time!!"
1416286;1456525688;asciilifeform;trinque: we still have nfi what happened to the gentoo mircea_popescu tried
1416287;1456525733;asciilifeform;trinque: the conversation here is not about headless servers
1416288;1456525740;BingoBoingo; >> This comes Trump's << comes as* ? << ty fxd
1416289;1456525747;phf;i think there are basically 3 parts to custom stack: sane linux, stock tree, pkg system
1416290;1456525750;asciilifeform;but general-purpose dev machine
1416291;1456525780;asciilifeform;phf: the kernel as we all presently have it is the very opposite of sane.
1416292;1456525789;asciilifeform;I DON'T WANT 10,000,001 DEVICE DRIVERS.
1416293;1456525796;asciilifeform;i want ONE PER DEVICE
1416294;1456525814;phf;yeah..
1416295;1456525858;asciilifeform;and a standard, immutable, guaranteed set of devices, which do not try anything 'clever' and cannot communicate with one another except in ways defined by os.
1416296;1456525896;phf;terry davis dat shit. "no framebuffer, no vesa, VGA!"
1416297;1456525901;phf;:>
1416298;1456525924;asciilifeform;i don't even go in for hair shirts
1416299;1456525972;asciilifeform;and there is really nothing complicated about the idea of a framebuffer.
1416300;1456526010;phf;a useful framebuffer is backed by the card specific driver
1416301;1456526023;asciilifeform;no shit
1416302;1456526130;trinque;asciilifeform: yep that recipe I have is just fine for a dev box
1416303;1456526148;asciilifeform;trinque: and when mircea_popescu tells you that it won't see his cdrom drive ?
1416304;1456526152;trinque;it's what I used for my own dev environment, still have that partition around
1416305;1456526161;trinque;asciilifeform: baffled, as it used a genkernel with all modules by default
1416306;1456526192;trinque;I tend to boot with that, then produce a custom kernel config with localyesconfig once booted
1416307;1456526196;trinque;and strip out module loading
1416308;1456526234;asciilifeform;trinque: ever find it interesting that the kernel has no mechanism for telling you what code ~is actually used~ ?
1416309;1456526241;asciilifeform;even though it would be absolutely trivial.
1416310;1456526249;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1416311;1456526255;mircea_popescu;compiulere does as much ffs
1416312;1456526281;asciilifeform;actually gcc is pretty terrible at deadcode snip
1416313;1456526283;phf;beos had that systematized, was really handy
1416314;1456526309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ftr, about 1/2 of a stripped trb binary is openssl crud that is never called.
1416315;1456526314;asciilifeform;(by weight)
1416316;1456526319;mircea_popescu;yup
1416317;1456526321;phf;or i guess a microkernel by design, rather then "we don't do microkernels, except now we basicall do"
1416318;1456526340;mircea_popescu;i read systemdized and was wtf
1416319;1456526346;asciilifeform;l0l!
1416320;1456526393;phf;usg claims word ownership
1416321;1456526405;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086937 << mega-thread
1416322;1456526405;assbot;Logged on 03-04-2015 19:02:32; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/gentoo-derpage.jpg <
1416323;1456526407;trinque;http://www.androidcentral.com/kernel-vulnerability-exposed-researchers << absolutely nothing surprises me about the smell of evil in the linux kernel
1416324;1456526409;assbot;What you need to know about the CONFIG_KEYS Linux kernel vulnerability | Android Central ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2q1xX )
1416325;1456526475;asciilifeform;stopped reading at 'The kernel needs to have been built with the Keyring service enabled'
1416326;1456526512;trinque;looks to be a deliberate backdoor
1416327;1456526527;trinque;and is perhaps (heh!?!!) not the only one
1416328;1456526535;asciilifeform;nah somebody accidentally tripped over a cosmic ray in the bath
1416329;1456526539;trinque;to your point about "why is there no pruning tool for this thing"
1416330;1456526587;asciilifeform;my point was that there is no actual practical reason why a kernel ought to contain so much as one instruction pertaining to devices that i don't have and will never have on my box.
1416331;1456526618;trinque;indeed.
1416332;1456526627;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to do runtime coverage. every routine starts by setting a flag. ones who never set their flag, get listed as dead code.
1416333;1456526731;asciilifeform;!s facedancer
1416334;1456526731;assbot;3 results for 'facedancer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=facedancer
1416335;1456526746;asciilifeform;^ commercial tool for exploiting the 'billion buggy device drivers' idiocy
1416336;1456526770;phf;https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gcov.txt
1416337;1456526772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJ5VGY )
1416338;1456526772;asciilifeform;it's just a box with microcontroller and two usb ends, one for victim, one for operator
1416339;1456526796;asciilifeform;you program it to emulate a usb widget that has exploitable driver in the victim's os.
1416340;1456526812;asciilifeform;the idea is, of course, ancient.
1416341;1456526824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00056538 = 7.4065 BTC [+] {2} 
1416342;1456526831;asciilifeform;i have a similar, handmade instrument here, for years, and know other folks who also.
1416343;1456526900;asciilifeform;phf: gcov is pointedly ~not~ what i want
1416344;1456526904;phf;how come?
1416345;1456526908;asciilifeform;i don't need the granularity
1416346;1456526910;asciilifeform;nor the slowdown
1416347;1456526914;asciilifeform;nor the magic development mode flags.
1416348;1456526937;asciilifeform;it needs to be sop per-install and automatic.
1416349;1456526945;asciilifeform;because there is no fucking reason for it not to be sop.
1416350;1456526947;deedbot-;[Trilema] So you're a rational fellow, right ? - http://trilema.com/2016/so-youre-a-rational-fellow-right/
1416351;1456527040;asciilifeform;phf: let's lay it out, for the n00bz and the not-so-alert-readerz
1416352;1456527063;asciilifeform;EVERY device driver routine, without exception, has some means for determining whether said device is physically present.
1416353;1456527098;asciilifeform;whether by scanning for a particular bus id and then querying, or whatever
1416354;1456527110;asciilifeform;MANDATE CANONICAL LIST of these.
1416355;1456527116;asciilifeform;!up minzieee
1416356;1456527119;minzieee;Hi
1416357;1456527122;asciilifeform;this is elementarily obvious.
1416358;1456527126;asciilifeform;minzieee: and who might you be ?
1416359;1456527158;mircea_popescu;!up minzieee
1416360;1456527202;minzieee;Hi
1416361;1456527207;minzieee;Anyone can help me setting up qt trader? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201062.0
1416362;1456527209;assbot;Qt Bitcoin Trader [Open Source secure trading client for Mac/Windows/Linux] ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJ6uRc )
1416363;1456527345;mircea_popescu;lol
1416364;1456527367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform admire the craftiness of imbecility. derp was here asking about wanting to DO it a week or so ago, etc.
1416365;1456527380;asciilifeform;wai wut?!
1416366;1456527381;asciilifeform;which it
1416367;1456527393;mircea_popescu;"oh how do i trade from qt" bla bla
1416368;1456527395;asciilifeform;ah
1416369;1456527403;asciilifeform;astonishing
1416370;1456527447;phf;^- http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-10-23-Detour.jpg
1416371;1456538600;kakobrekla;there we go
1416372;1456538643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.14788127 = 2.3661 BTC [-] {3} 
1416373;1456538644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 473250 @ 0.00056663 = 268.1576 BTC [+] {28} 
1416374;1456538648;shinohai;https://bitbet.us/bet/1229/?ref=1E5BED1T28wu3ugvy5ukdYRtZcRgWMQPAB   <<< completely even
1416375;1456538649;assbot;BitBet - The next US President will be female :: 0.21 B (50%) on Yes, 0.21 B (50%) on No | closing in 8 months 5 days | weight: 73`472 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2bIrb )
1416376;1456538696;kakobrekla;odd time of even bets, see also trump and alphago.
1416377;1456538730;shinohai;trifecta
1416378;1456539372;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.up:1d50e6329b5b6cd32d2daf9aa32379ff168977970316ffe31bf814575d18afb5
1416379;1456539375;danielpbarron;heh
1416380;1456539619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77800 @ 0.00057669 = 44.8665 BTC [+] {4} 
1416381;1456539802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.14788127 = 1.4788 BTC [-]
1416382;1456542053;asciilifeform;woah havel0l still exists?!
1416383;1456542111;asciilifeform;http://www.shoup.net/papers/cca-fac.pdf << claims to be a nyooer, better!!111 cramer-shoup.
1416384;1456542115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oFqkjr )
1416385;1456543706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00057538 = 5.4661 BTC [-]
1416386;1456545475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00057852 = 28.8971 BTC [+] {3} 
1416387;1456545647;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/7RcSo
1416388;1456546059;BingoBoingo;;;google luciferin
1416389;1456546060;gribble;Luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Firefly luciferin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Luciferin - The Bioluminescence Web Page: 
1416390;1456546076;BingoBoingo;;;google bulk luciferin
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1416392;1456546103;BingoBoingo;;;more
1416393;1456546103;gribble;
1416394;1456546210;BingoBoingo;fuck, 200 kilodollars per kg
1416395;1456546392;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. so i go to grande fiesta argentina club/teatro blabla bla. one girl in a corset, the other girl in a cuntskirt, nice stuff. i get there, it's a dingy fucking affair the likes you've never seen, and a bunch of retards in jeans and tshirts queued around the fucking corner waiting for the shithole to open.
1416396;1456546436;mircea_popescu;i end up spending 150 pesos on cabs and 50 pesos on coffee across the fucking square, because argentines are truly and utterly retarded. why make a grand off a fellow when you could just as well make nothing at all and go home to the tv ?
1416397;1456546472;mircea_popescu;on that same square, a mcdonalds on two fucking levels. larger than the supposed club. better light, better accomodation throughout. this brings them no fucking thoughts.
1416398;1456547169;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whatever you have in mind, almost certainly can be done without luciferin...
1416399;1456547320;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Thing can be done, but not with the same novelty along the way.
1416400;1456547976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71897 @ 0.00057985 = 41.6895 BTC [+] {3} 
1416401;1456548769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00057538 = 4.8332 BTC [-] {2} 
1416402;1456549867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55435 @ 0.00057538 = 31.8962 BTC [-]
1416403;1456550111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68071 @ 0.00057221 = 38.9509 BTC [-] {3} 
1416404;1456550355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00057666 = 45.4985 BTC [+] {5} 
1416405;1456550554;phf;so if you work too long with tinyscheme repl, you shit town of gensyms in oblist and things ... get ... somewhat ... slower
1416406;1456550564;phf;*get shit towm
1416407;1456550575;phf;fuck it.
1416408;1456551697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21280 @ 0.00058038 = 12.3505 BTC [+] {4} 
1416409;1456551758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40594 @ 0.00058075 = 23.575 BTC [+]
1416410;1456552924;phf;BITCOIND> (time
1416411;1456552924;phf;           (let ((big2 (integer->big 2 10)))
1416412;1456552925;phf;             (let loop ((i 1024) (big big2))
1416413;1456552927;phf;                  (if (> i 1)
1416414;1456552929;phf;                      (loop (- i 1) (big-mul big big2))
1416415;1456552931;phf;                      (show-big big)))))
1416416;1456552934;phf;179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216
1416417;1456552937;phf;time: 12.53040195
1416418;1456552940;phf;
1416419;1456553771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00057728 = 21.7923 BTC [-] {2} 
1416420;1456554564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00058028 = 21.4994 BTC [+]
1416421;1456555698;ben_vulpes;phf: i'd love to see your clang work *elbow elbow*
1416422;1456555709;phf;yeah yeah
1416423;1456555738;phf;sometime this weekend
1416424;1456555841;ben_vulpes;!up PaulCape_
1416425;1456556760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12605 @ 0.00058075 = 7.3204 BTC [+]
1416426;1456557492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00058075 = 3.4845 BTC [+]
1416427;1456558285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00058084 = 23.8725 BTC [+] {5} 
1416428;1456558346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00058112 = 43.09 BTC [+] {5} 
1416429;1456559017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107635 @ 0.00057998 = 62.4261 BTC [-] {3} 
1416430;1456559871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00057875 = 10.8805 BTC [-] {3} 
1416431;1456560237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00057864 = 27.7169 BTC [-]
1416432;1456561762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85600 @ 0.00057674 = 49.3689 BTC [-] {4} 
1416433;1456562311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20907 @ 0.00058155 = 12.1585 BTC [+]
1416434;1456562372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60517 @ 0.0005715 = 34.5855 BTC [-] {2} 
1416435;1456563409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26023 @ 0.00058078 = 15.1136 BTC [+]
1416436;1456564019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00058155 = 20.994 BTC [+]
1416437;1456564191;punkman;http://vintage-ephemera.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html
1416438;1456564192;assbot;Vera Violetta: September 2011 ... ( http://bit.ly/1oOcL1H )
1416439;1456564228;punkman;http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cyanotype9-768x965.jpeg
1416440;1456564229;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oOcMCU )
1416441;1456564873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00058155 = 9.2757 BTC [+]
1416442;1456566276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00058078 = 10.2508 BTC [-]
1416443;1456567191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48884 @ 0.00058184 = 28.4427 BTC [+] {4} 
1416444;1456567252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38666 @ 0.0005827 = 22.5307 BTC [+]
1416445;1456567435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.000583 = 48.5056 BTC [+] {8} 
1416446;1456567496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00058322 = 11.2561 BTC [+]
1416447;1456568960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16808 @ 0.00058322 = 9.8028 BTC [+]
1416448;1456569021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97592 @ 0.00058324 = 56.9196 BTC [+] {4} 
1416449;1456569631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30515 @ 0.0005847 = 17.8421 BTC [+] {3} 
1416450;1456571217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50350 @ 0.00057929 = 29.1673 BTC [-] {3} 
1416451;1456572742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.0005854 = 37.29 BTC [+] {2} 
1416452;1456574328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00057557 = 15.4828 BTC [-]
1416453;1456575121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00057555 = 33.2092 BTC [-]
1416454;1456576158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00057557 = 18.3319 BTC [+]
1416455;1456577439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00058583 = 43.5272 BTC [+] {3} 
1416456;1456577866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00058643 = 31.374 BTC [+] {2} 
1416457;1456578354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00057726 = 27.1889 BTC [-] {3} 
1416458;1456579330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057262 = 15.6039 BTC [-] {2} 
1416459;1456580611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00057182 = 36.2248 BTC [-] {2} 
1416460;1456582197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00057182 = 37.7973 BTC [-]
1416461;1456583092;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416416 << congrats phf !!
1416462;1456583092;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 06:02:14; phf: 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216
1416463;1456583256;mircea_popescu;i honestly don't think 12 seconds is bad.
1416464;1456583670;asciilifeform;depends.
1416465;1456584027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98248 @ 0.00057159 = 56.1576 BTC [-] {3} 
1416466;1456584088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61375 @ 0.00057093 = 35.0408 BTC [-]
1416467;1456584113;mircea_popescu;teh mpex price warz!
1416468;1456584627;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416437 << hottest pr0nz ever posted here imho!
1416469;1456584627;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 09:09:51; punkman: http://vintage-ephemera.blogspot.com/2011_09_01_archive.html
1416470;1456584698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51220 @ 0.00057093 = 29.243 BTC [-]
1416471;1456585062;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416395  << what's a cuntskirt ?
1416472;1456585062;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 04:13:12; mircea_popescu: motherfucker. so i go to grande fiesta argentina club/teatro blabla bla. one girl in a corset, the other girl in a cuntskirt, nice stuff. i get there, it's a dingy fucking affair the likes you've never seen, and a bunch of retards in jeans and tshirts queued around the fucking corner waiting for the shithole to open.
1416473;1456585073;asciilifeform;transparent?
1416474;1456585186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00057093 = 13.1314 BTC [-] {2} 
1416475;1456585593;mircea_popescu;a cuntskirt is a skirt cut to fall exactly at the height of the cunt.
1416476;1456585599;mircea_popescu;so for as long as you're standing still, it covers.
1416477;1456585606;asciilifeform;ah.
1416478;1456586467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0005731 = 9.3415 BTC [+]
1416479;1456586467;punkman;asciilifeform: .. << hottest pr0nz ever posted here imho! << 100 year old porn is pretty cool
1416480;1456586516;mircea_popescu;deadophilliacs.
1416481;1456586528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00057712 = 16.823 BTC [+]
1416482;1456586540;asciilifeform;punkman: aha! they still had actual chix in quantity, to photograph, vs today's plastic meatrobots.
1416483;1456586561;asciilifeform;they had... faces.
1416484;1456586606;mircea_popescu;now i gotta see this thing
1416485;1456586686;mircea_popescu;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4x0rWl7KtDA/T1qNIZA-_zI/AAAAAAAACZo/MKFauwcXCPk/s1600/annettekellerman.jpg << dude, srsly ?
1416486;1456586687;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDpiLa )
1416487;1456586722;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this disobedient, herpy female bullshit. i'd take bangbros over the "artistic" pre-digital shit any fucking day and twice on sundays and bangbroxmas.
1416488;1456586825;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise
1416489;1456586844;punkman;what's wrong with that picture
1416490;1456586849;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even proposing that bangbros is fit for anything but decorating rural outhouses and rolls of toilet paper.
1416491;1456586856;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
1416492;1456586901;mircea_popescu;punkman that the woman's face looks like it could belong to an inuit warrior, that her female bits are NOT front-and-center and that her posture is inadequate (in not being loudly submissive to a degree of almost parody)
1416493;1456586961;asciilifeform;isn't she supposed to be a greek goddess in that pic?
1416494;1456586965;mircea_popescu;it's the exact opposite of cuntskirt.
1416495;1456586977;mircea_popescu;i dun give a shit what her delusional head tells her she's being in MY pic.
1416496;1456586990;mircea_popescu;greek fucking goddess, what's next.
1416497;1456587017;mircea_popescu;how about she bees a worm ? i dun truck with women posturing as greek goddesses.
1416498;1456587047;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise2.
1416499;1456587071;*;mircea_popescu waves from his boat, the unsurprise.
1416500;1456587148;mircea_popescu;also, isn't this conversation breaking the cuntdel test ? :D
1416501;1456587583;asciilifeform;l0l!
1416502;1456587638;mircea_popescu;what baffles me is that you somehow associate this vapid bullshit with "faces", or i suppose more deeply, personalities.
1416503;1456587670;asciilifeform;it is more that my allergens are absent
1416504;1456587678;mircea_popescu;you know the hambeasts being special on etsy are to no degree, in no manner and not at all any deeper, or more in possession of a soul than casting couch starlets and aspiring cocksuckers everywhere.
1416505;1456587680;asciilifeform;not having been yet invented.
1416506;1456587690;mircea_popescu;what allergens be those ?
1416507;1456587706;asciilifeform;the 'hambeasts' are deformed
1416508;1456587715;mircea_popescu;i meant something specific tho.
1416509;1456587724;mircea_popescu;the etsy woman is this very peculiar anglo chick.
1416510;1456587741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the plastic face (partly literally, pound of cosmetic)
1416511;1456587755;mircea_popescu;so you can't stand japanese, or for that matter classic, theatre.
1416512;1456587757;asciilifeform;and the bovine empty stare.
1416513;1456587779;asciilifeform;i like theatre but won't lust to it
1416514;1456587813;mircea_popescu;you know, just because she isn't looking 2 inches under the apex of the camera lens (which is how that effect is obtained, and in all women, even the liveliest cockteases of the lot) but instead 30 degrees to the left in the foliage changes EXACTLY nothing
1416515;1456587813;asciilifeform;but actual mask doesn't trigger the same revulsion
1416516;1456587823;mircea_popescu;the cowsies are just as bovine, the pixies just as flittery.
1416517;1456587877;mircea_popescu;maybe the explanation here is that having seen the thing from the threshold of the 4th wall, my head readily maps and/or discards your allergens.
1416518;1456587896;asciilifeform;possibly.
1416519;1456587922;asciilifeform;this may be an MP-complete problem!!1111
1416520;1456587938;mircea_popescu;while inept shit like you know, "artistically" putting one's hair over one's pubis really gets my fucking goat.
1416521;1456587951;mircea_popescu;i can't stand about 80% of everything hollywood ever made because of the boob cut.
1416522;1456588051;mircea_popescu;heck, 80% of what i like about verhoeven is that he doesn't follow the inept convention of "ohmygerd gotta artistically snip the nips!!11"
1416523;1456588153;asciilifeform;also what is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416509 , now i'm curious
1416524;1456588153;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 15:42:04; mircea_popescu: the etsy woman is this very peculiar anglo chick.
1416525;1456588168;mircea_popescu;fine, let's detail.
1416526;1456588181;*;asciilifeform thought at 'etsy' was a site for abysmal artists
1416527;1456588203;mircea_popescu;a girl of no particular talents or inclinations grows up in the house of white, upper lowerclass to higher middle class parents, decided to be a good girl and be good and nice and good!
1416528;1456588272;mircea_popescu;she proceeds to go to through school, because you must, where her chief accomplishment is not getting pregnant, because you mustn't! and after having failed at both knowledge and passion, she carries her decrepit carcass sucked mostly dry of juice by the vampire of her mother and the lich of her father + assorted family on to college
1416529;1456588305;mircea_popescu;because you must! and there she picks up a lukewarm major and more or less finishes, and gets involved in some sort of verbiage or another, like journalismsocialmediavolunteeringtohelppeopleblablabla.
1416530;1456588332;mircea_popescu;by now she's totally lost, and well... she can't have children, nor could ever. she can't interest a man, nor could ever. she can't keep herself amused, nor could ever.
1416531;1456588350;asciilifeform;so far i'm with this, i live in town with 30,000 of it
1416532;1456588351;mircea_popescu;so she makes some garbage out of some other garbage and attempts to imbue it with all her dismal powers of nothing
1416533;1456588368;mircea_popescu;that in another woman in another place would have been offspring and family and work and power and everything human
1416534;1456588380;mircea_popescu;but in her, it's just this small, lukewarm, modest piece of garbage.
1416535;1456588381;asciilifeform;except for the 'interest man', they reliably pair up
1416536;1456588390;mircea_popescu;"vintage" purse. scented candle. "good for you" soap.
1416537;1456588394;asciilifeform;with the male equiv.
1416538;1456588400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not a man.
1416539;1456588413;mircea_popescu;and yes, they do, and all that happens is that they cry over their own dead bodies together.
1416540;1456588489;asciilifeform;no theorems.
1416541;1456588506;asciilifeform;this is the fate of people with no theorems.
1416542;1456588526;mircea_popescu;and then you see her in the studio, dragged in by one of the usual preditors, "lesbian" women that hate women (especially in the sense of our "heroine"), ex-athlete stars who figure they've been shortchanged because school ends, you name it.
1416543;1456588536;asciilifeform;and you forgot to list the cat-breeding.
1416544;1456588538;mircea_popescu;and there... she attempts to protect what she perceives as valuable by virtue of inertia.
1416545;1456588547;mircea_popescu;that comes after.
1416546;1456588602;asciilifeform;after what?
1416547;1456588611;asciilifeform;what triggers the cats?
1416548;1456588618;mircea_popescu;after everyone's done trying to predate her.
1416549;1456588623;asciilifeform;ah
1416550;1456588627;mircea_popescu;the cats make reasonable exploiters.
1416551;1456588635;mircea_popescu;i suppose they'd raise spiders, if spiders ate human flesh.
1416552;1456588650;asciilifeform;i think this is really it .
1416553;1456588651;mircea_popescu;but spiders don't care, having better things to do and much more talent with the thread and needle.
1416554;1456588662;asciilifeform;the dream of being eaten...
1416555;1456588686;asciilifeform;i often wonder why they never raise big cats
1416556;1456588693;mircea_popescu;the truth of the matter is that flesh knows its cure.
1416557;1456588717;mircea_popescu;she should be eaten, and in a sane world would try and befriend a wolf in winter. i'm sure this actually happened historically, if not recorded anywhere.
1416558;1456588723;mircea_popescu;(by whom - wolves don't write)
1416559;1456588729;asciilifeform;aha!
1416560;1456588757;mircea_popescu;and there's perfectly valid evolutionary reason the genes for this nonsense'd be present in the population.
1416561;1456588770;mircea_popescu;the etsy girl is the platelet of humanity. she goes to be eaten.
1416562;1456588799;mircea_popescu;there's record in the history of the church of virgin in flock of virgins that gave herself to orcs so that the others may be kept, and they fucked her to bits, so she's now a strange sort of martyr.
1416563;1456588825;mircea_popescu;and how do you know that the cods that you ACTUALLY cut with a knife in scandia sounds aren't DIFFERENT cods from all the other cods, and especially the cods you do not cut.
1416564;1456588847;asciilifeform;sop in insect world..
1416565;1456588854;mircea_popescu;now, that such misery would be selected for and bred into the population by the ineptitude of "state" and "government" is merely unfortunate.
1416566;1456588865;mircea_popescu;but it is inhuman, and it is inhuman deeply and irretrievably.
1416567;1456588878;mircea_popescu;confronted with this problem, bovine stares bother me not at all.
1416568;1456588886;asciilifeform;ever read 'the human zoo' ?
1416569;1456588891;mircea_popescu;dun think so ?
1416570;1456588892;asciilifeform;sorta about this
1416571;1456588918;asciilifeform;concerns degenerate behaviours in captive animals and maps onto man
1416572;1456588926;mircea_popescu;understand that the woman immortalized in, say, vegetanpizda, is stricto sensu human, whereas the etsy girl is not, nor could ever be,
1416573;1456589063;asciilifeform;any evil empire worth its salt, breeds monsters.
1416574;1456589086;*;asciilifeform bbl, food
1416575;1456589097;mircea_popescu;ideally monsters that are better suited for life, however. this is pretty shitty.
1416576;1456590067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00057712 = 27.9326 BTC [+]
1416577;1456590737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00057093 = 20.4678 BTC [-]
1416578;1456591042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00057844 = 33.6652 BTC [+] {2} 
1416579;1456591437;asciilifeform;[Hardware Error]: MC4 Error (node 1): DRAM ECC error detected on the NB
1416580;1456591446;asciilifeform;[Hardware Error]: Error Status: Corrected error, no action required.
1416581;1456591449;asciilifeform;my first cosmic ray !
1416582;1456591457;mircea_popescu;wd
1416583;1456591774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31721 @ 0.00057707 = 18.3052 BTC [-] {3} 
1416584;1456592079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154003 @ 0.00057077 = 87.9003 BTC [-] {2} 
1416585;1456592140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113447 @ 0.00056854 = 64.4992 BTC [-] {2} 
1416586;1456592305;asciilifeform;either that or i finally got fed the polonium.
1416587;1456592342;asciilifeform;(or i shouldnt've bought those decade-old dimms...)
1416588;1456592445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00057954 = 15.126 BTC [+]
1416589;1456592933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57120 @ 0.00057979 = 33.1176 BTC [+] {2} 
1416590;1456592956;hdbuck;good day gentlemen
1416591;1456593055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00057021 = 24.6901 BTC [-] {2} 
1416592;1456593119;hdbuck;pardon for my agnostic demands but as I’ve just followed Mr popescu’s guide to set up the realbitcoinfoundation node, i am unsure how it is working :/
1416593;1456593131;asciilifeform;hdbuck: unsure how ?
1416594;1456593135;asciilifeform;hdbuck: it works, or it doesn't ?
1416595;1456593303;hdbuck;i got a v hash not matching
1416596;1456593308;asciilifeform;which one ?
1416597;1456593323;hdbuck;peter koorsgad
1416598;1456593334;asciilifeform;ugh
1416599;1456593372;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ?
1416600;1456593440;danielpbarron;i saw him /part yesterday
1416601;1456593482;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: this doesn't tell us much. artifexd and dignork are still logged in, long after having set sail on the flying dutchman
1416602;1456593578;hdbuck;so am stuck until mr korsgaad signature is verified?
1416603;1456593600;asciilifeform;hdbuck: try verifying it by hand, and tell us what was the output
1416604;1456593610;asciilifeform;and post the file hash here. (sha512)
1416605;1456593618;hdbuck;how would i do that?
1416606;1456593640;asciilifeform;first things first, link to the build script you used
1416607;1456593645;asciilifeform;(or dpaste it)
1416608;1456593665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00056774 = 23.107 BTC [-] {2} 
1416609;1456593726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14726 @ 0.00057991 = 8.5398 BTC [+]
1416610;1456593767;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416099 << he parted about 2 minutes after this line
1416611;1456593767;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
1416612;1456593911;hdbuck;http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW
1416613;1456593912;assbot;dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ran8Dx )
1416614;1456594031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52924 @ 0.00058244 = 30.8251 BTC [+]
1416615;1456594034;asciilifeform;hdbuck: yours barfs on line 45, gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign  ?
1416616;1456594170;hdbuck;what do you mean?
1416617;1456594184;asciilifeform;where does it die ?
1416618;1456594188;asciilifeform;your build
1416619;1456594214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00056719 = 27.055 BTC [-] {2} 
1416620;1456594519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00056633 = 32.7905 BTC [-]
1416621;1456594946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12226 @ 0.00056752 = 6.9385 BTC [+]
1416622;1456595243;hdbuck;when i execute it i just get this: http://dpaste.com/2F3PSGN
1416623;1456595244;assbot;dpaste: 2F3PSGN ... ( http://bit.ly/1RapMcr )
1416624;1456595340;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW << wtf is with line 46 of that ?????
1416625;1456595341;assbot;dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ran8Dx )
1416626;1456595341;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1416627;1456595351;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 rather, 47
1416628;1456595352;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1416629;1456595440;asciilifeform;this script cannot possibly work.
1416630;1456595453;asciilifeform;hdbuck: where and when did you get it ?
1416631;1456595495;ben_vulpes;http://dpaste.com/2ZZXGPW#line-3 << see anything else wrong, asciilifeform ?
1416632;1456595497;assbot;dpaste: 2ZZXGPW ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFLlpL )
1416633;1456595524;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: is this supposed to highlight a line ?
1416634;1456595539;asciilifeform;this dun work on my box.
1416635;1456595544;ben_vulpes;run more chromeblows!
1416636;1456595554;asciilifeform;doesn't highlight there, either !
1416637;1456595560;asciilifeform;i have every possible wwwtron here, i think
1416638;1456595609;asciilifeform;at any rate, WHAT THE FUCK was 'curl -s -o V-20151129.tar.gz' EVER supposed to do ??????
1416639;1456595617;ben_vulpes;notrly a thing to spend much time debugging, it does say 'line-3'
1416640;1456595626;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aaand ?
1416641;1456595680;ben_vulpes;v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date.
1416642;1456595734;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i get that
1416643;1456595738;asciilifeform;but that was not my question.
1416644;1456595747;asciilifeform;'curl -s -o V-20151129.tar.gz'     ??????
1416645;1456595748;asciilifeform;does what.
1416646;1456595756;asciilifeform;how did this ~ever~ work ?
1416647;1456595775;ben_vulpes;anyways this i believe to be the current version: http://mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1416648;1456595776;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFLYjd )
1416649;1456595783;hdbuck;@asciilifeform got it from the commands the wiki tells us to do i suppose
1416650;1456595794;ben_vulpes;that wiki'll be the death of poor mod6
1416651;1456595801;ben_vulpes;and me
1416652;1456595848;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this thing where outdated crud floats around, confusing people, drove me to madness long before v etc.
1416653;1456595897;asciilifeform;i have yet to devise any serious final solution to this (outside of eldritch horrors like blockchain telegraphy.)
1416654;1456595942;ben_vulpes;HOW TO NODE on thebitcoin.foundation would be an improvement
1416655;1456595950;asciilifeform;but the one practical observation is, PICK UP YOUR TRASH
1416656;1456595964;asciilifeform;either update the wiki EVERY TIME it gets obsoleted, or... don't bother HAVING it.
1416657;1456595992;hdbuck;ah so it is because you keep going on and dont bother updating the wiki?
1416658;1456596001;asciilifeform;hdbuck: apparently.
1416659;1456596010;hdbuck;so i get to dl obsolete script :/
1416660;1456596023;asciilifeform;aha.
1416661;1456596120;hdbuck;anyway i gotta go, i’ll come back for moar help setting it up, thanks anyway
1416662;1456596161;ben_vulpes;hdbuck use the linked v99995
1416663;1456596785;hdbuck;@ben_vulpes now i got this http://dpaste.com/2N5V06F
1416664;1456596787;assbot;dpaste: 2N5V06F ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFO3f7 )
1416665;1456596841;asciilifeform;hdbuck: please get my updated key from http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB98228A001ABFFC7 (and/or http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc )
1416666;1456596841;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1TFOcit )
1416667;1456596843;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )
1416668;1456596904;asciilifeform;hdbuck: where did your set of keys come from originally ?
1416669;1456597152;hdbuck;i look up from pool.sks-keyservers.net directly using the 0x… keys from the script
1416670;1456597207;asciilifeform;WHEN
1416671;1456597255;hdbuck;2 days ago
1416672;1456597279;hdbuck;also i just did it again now, with the link you provided me with, still not working
1416673;1456597283;asciilifeform;paste the public key you have for me.
1416674;1456597285;asciilifeform;(dpaste)
1416675;1456597349;hdbuck;http://dpaste.com/0D10JJK
1416676;1456597350;assbot;dpaste: 0D10JJK ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODzvpD )
1416677;1456597415;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin << updated, let me know if I messed something up
1416678;1456597416;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
1416679;1456597616;asciilifeform;hdbuck: this appears to be a correct key.
1416680;1456597630;asciilifeform;hdbuck: but is it the key that v is using on your box ?
1416681;1456597693;asciilifeform;mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al : possibly a neglected subject in the wiki, trb site, etc. is where the hell a n00b is supposed to get pubkeys.
1416682;1456597716;danielpbarron;where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys?
1416683;1456597734;asciilifeform;i did not say that this was a solvable problem, in the usual sense.
1416684;1456597748;danielpbarron;i think it's generally solved by the 6-month rule
1416685;1456597828;hdbuck;@asciilifeform but is it the key that v is using on your box ? >> what do you mean?
1416686;1456597953;asciilifeform;hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ?
1416687;1456597980;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: while mod6's scripts pull them down from the net, i think this is actually a social problem.
1416688;1456597993;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i thought he quit doing this ????
1416689;1456598007;asciilifeform;after i explained that it is a catastrophic mistake
1416690;1456598021;ben_vulpes;ah, i recall now.
1416691;1456598037;ben_vulpes;naively, from each of our websites?
1416692;1456598043;asciilifeform;but now it seems like hdbuck somehow ended up with my expired subkey ?
1416693;1456598044;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: has it though
1416694;1456598065;asciilifeform;anyway hdbuck has done his 6 mo. tour of duty, iirc.
1416695;1456598092;asciilifeform;so this does not automagically solve.
1416696;1456598097;asciilifeform;what, make the 6, 36 ?
1416697;1456598159;ben_vulpes;what, reading the logs magically solves the key distribution problem? or do i catastrophically misunderstand.
1416698;1456598170;asciilifeform;well clearly it does not.
1416699;1456598179;ben_vulpes;is supposed to?
1416700;1456598185;asciilifeform;and there is not an actual solution to the key distribution problem.
1416701;1456598192;asciilifeform;just as there is not a solution to the three-body problem.
1416702;1456598205;asciilifeform;but there are non-solution approximations of varying degrees of brokenness.
1416703;1456598248;asciilifeform;imho, at the very least he oughta be able to ask assbot and get the pubkey each of us is presently logged in with.
1416704;1456598252;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ? mircea_popescu ?
1416705;1456598257;ben_vulpes;sorry, i was being snide.
1416706;1456598575;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1416707;1456598615;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: was asking about getting assbot to regurgitate pubkeys on demand
1416708;1456598656;hdbuck;asciilifeform: hdbuck: if you take that key and manually run gpg --verify ..... on one of my patches, what do you get ? >> could you dpaste it so i dont get it wrong?
1416709;1456598669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416599 << not so far, no.
1416710;1456598669;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 17:16:12; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the buildroot fella ever come back to you with a modern sig ?
1416711;1456598687;asciilifeform;hdbuck: paste what ?
1416712;1456598692;hdbuck;the command
1416713;1456598713;asciilifeform;gpg --verify some.vpatch.sig
1416714;1456598730;hdbuck;i’ve just started over in a new directory using the new wiki, still not sorking :/
1416715;1456598769;danielpbarron;heh, where does it go off the tracks?
1416716;1456598819;danielpbarron;for me, i also had a problem with the buildroot sig, but it finished with a working bitcoind anyway
1416717;1456598826;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416637 << eh, every possible wwwtron that runs no www, somehow, even the www that runs on every actual wwtron, including all the ones that run very constrained sets of www!!1
1416718;1456598826;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 17:52:40; asciilifeform: i have every possible wwwtron here, i think
1416719;1456598837;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ikr ?
1416720;1456598840;mircea_popescu;must be selfwritten.
1416721;1456598845;asciilifeform;fact is, doesn't seem to work on anything
1416722;1456598858;asciilifeform;possibly because i don't do the update thing ?
1416723;1456599069;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416641 << i just looked in the wiki.
1416724;1456599069;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 17:54:40; ben_vulpes: v99997. not that anyone could be reasonably expected to know that that's 2 degrees out of date.
1416725;1456599078;mircea_popescu;a) the line in question is not there. hdbuck where did you get it from ?
1416726;1456599092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: look also in the log, i think it just got fixed 1/2 hr ago
1416727;1456599094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102074 @ 0.00057718 = 58.9151 BTC [+] {2} 
1416728;1456599095;mircea_popescu;b) there is no "crud". it correctly indicates to use 99995.
1416729;1456599098;mircea_popescu;mk.
1416730;1456599173;kakobrekla;"!key $nick" or something has been on my mind for a few months just havent actually gotten around to it.
1416731;1456599239;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416682 <<< everyone is supposed to get pubkeys from THEIR FRIENDS.
1416732;1456599239;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 18:28:36; danielpbarron: where is anyone supposed to get pubkeys?
1416733;1456599246;mircea_popescu;exactly same place one gets phone numbers for horny sluts.
1416734;1456599257;mircea_popescu;we're misusing the wot / pushing things, here.
1416735;1456599262;mircea_popescu;this nonsense is not to long continue.
1416736;1456599293;asciilifeform;i can't really disagree with mircea_popescu.
1416737;1456599305;asciilifeform;the inevitable thing is that vtron users' expectations must re-adjust.
1416738;1456599307;kakobrekla;except that noobs dont have friends
1416739;1456599310;asciilifeform;^
1416740;1456599317;asciilifeform;step 1 has to be 'make friend'
1416741;1456599321;asciilifeform;there is no other way.
1416742;1456599379;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no friends, no life.
1416743;1456599389;ben_vulpes;"social problem"
1416744;1456599423;mircea_popescu;aha.
1416745;1456599445;kakobrekla;idk whats the goal of trb to be ran among a dozen friends and thats it?
1416746;1456599457;mircea_popescu;no. the goal of trb is to be ran AMONG PEOPLE.
1416747;1456599464;mircea_popescu;we're not saving fucking africa over here.
1416748;1456599465;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: and their friends, and their friends' friends
1416749;1456599466;kakobrekla;there arent that many of those.
1416750;1456599470;mircea_popescu;so ?
1416751;1456599486;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "rembrandt is not good because not so many of them"
1416752;1456599509;kakobrekla;i want to use my buttcoins at more than 7 places, ideally
1416753;1456599523;mircea_popescu;i want to use my buttcoins at EXACTLY 0 places of the wrong sort.
1416754;1456599537;mircea_popescu;i'm not really as constrained about where i leave my seed.
1416755;1456599634;kakobrekla;if the soil wont be fertile 0 places of the right sort will grow.
1416756;1456599661;mircea_popescu;if the requirement of "have a friend" is a bar to fertility, other things have to be fixed.
1416757;1456599670;mircea_popescu;not this one. this one is just the gauge.
1416758;1456599698;mircea_popescu;basically, i'm starting to understand, socialism is, other than utter idiocy, an alt-way to be social!
1416759;1456599714;mircea_popescu;have friends with all the benefits of never meeting them, and none of the drawbacks. have friends IN AFRICA!
1416760;1456599722;mircea_popescu;not the real place, of course. the mental nation of africa.
1416761;1456599724;asciilifeform;how is that 'friends'
1416762;1456599730;mircea_popescu;hey, how is usd money.
1416763;1456599735;mircea_popescu;who knows these things.
1416764;1456599749;asciilifeform;usd is what used to be called scrip.
1416765;1456599755;asciilifeform;the 'friends' are what used to be called 'penpal'
1416766;1456599763;asciilifeform;there were words, for these lesser simulacra.
1416767;1456599765;mircea_popescu;and these friends is what used to be called hallucinations.
1416768;1456599805;asciilifeform;well once you come to think of simulacra as the real thing, yes, hallucination
1416769;1456599809;asciilifeform;sex doll is not a woman, etc.
1416770;1456599905;mircea_popescu;and you know, it's something i actually encountered in teh field ? slavegirl picks up random 19 yo, kinda mousy, manga fan with glasses living with parents sorta chick. they go out a coupla times over the course of i dunno - months ? eventually she cuts her off. turns out teenybopper was turning down ~9 out of 10 invites, never put out, her last email being something like "we'll i'd like to continue being friends". bit
1416771;1456599906;mircea_popescu;ch, seriously, being friends DOING WHAT ?
1416772;1456599919;mircea_popescu;but see, for 19 yo redditard, "being friends" doth not include or imply doing anything. on the contrary.
1416773;1456599927;mircea_popescu;it's a fantasy, not a state.
1416774;1456599965;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/F5Rih
1416775;1456599966;assbot;Amazon.com: John Young's review of Playing to the Edge: American Intelligence... ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGfKII )
1416776;1456599970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sexuate reproduction happens between a passive and an active individual. so we'll have to see what you mean by "sex doll". if it's a literalism, sure, if it's a metaphore prolly no deal.
1416777;1456600041;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if there were a type of turnip-cum-cunt that could be fucked, right there in your garden's soil, would you ?
1416778;1456600046;asciilifeform;doesn't get more passive than that...
1416779;1456600056;mircea_popescu;depends.
1416780;1456600065;asciilifeform;!b 3
1416781;1456600066;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08E0ZES.txt )
1416782;1456600069;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1416783;1456600077;mircea_popescu;loll all you want. there is no objective feminity.
1416784;1456600085;mircea_popescu;it's a construct.
1416785;1456600119;asciilifeform;eh who am i to say turnip isn't fuckable.
1416786;1456600126;mircea_popescu;no.
1416787;1456600134;asciilifeform;perhaps on mircea_popescu's planet, that is what is to fuck.
1416788;1456600139;mircea_popescu;who are you to say YOU wouldn't fuck turnip, love it, and refuse to cease even when shown otherwise ?
1416789;1456600160;asciilifeform;i probably would, and will, if These Things Go On (tm)
1416790;1456600239;asciilifeform;don't get me wrong, i very much see the mircea_popescutronic perspective here.
1416791;1456600267;danielpbarron;i encountered one of these "just friends" chicks somewhat recently : girl hits me up on farceb00k seeing that her friends are friends with me; chats me up daily for like a week; I suggest she come see me and get some food somewhere; her response "what would we do? just talk?" ; mine "sure" ; haven't heard from her since
1416792;1456600278;asciilifeform;let something be other than passive, and do something ~to~ you, and before long - you're in pederasty.
1416793;1456600289;mircea_popescu;but it WASNT "just friends", as in, not fucking. it was "just friends" as in... i have no fucking idea what, facebook lists ?
1416794;1456600316;danielpbarron;a virtual character on their facebook page basically
1416795;1456600320;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is an idle objeciton, the "no fucking" "just friends" of yore made exactly as little sense.
1416796;1456600321;danielpbarron;not for actually meeting
1416797;1456600361;ben_vulpes;"sure" is probably the least enticing thing you could possibly say in that circumstance lol
1416798;1456600406;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's veering into "i can't drink coffee - it keeps me up" territory.
1416799;1456600407;mircea_popescu;tho...
1416800;1456600428;mircea_popescu;hard to say these days, kids have dynamited historical formalisms without understanding exactly how that'll come back to bite them
1416801;1456600460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record, pederasty is not something that can happen to you by accident. it means fucking young boys.
1416802;1456600470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the other end of pederasty
1416803;1456600474;asciilifeform;in ru prison parlance.
1416804;1456600475;mircea_popescu;erastes-y ?
1416805;1456600480;asciilifeform;where you sell your arse for a cig.
1416806;1456600497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00058545 = 29.331 BTC [+] {3} 
1416807;1456600527;asciilifeform;how do you even say 'lowered into pederasty' in englisch.
1416808;1456600531;asciilifeform;'punked' ?
1416809;1456600555;mircea_popescu;i guess... tho technically it'd be "made into a punk" otherwise it's kind-of ambiguous
1416810;1456600564;mircea_popescu;the anglos do not like to say the things they do not wish to hear.
1416811;1456600718;mircea_popescu;you could say lowered into petuhery, that'd be necessarily transparent as glass.
1416812;1456600805;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron anyway i think what the cascadian is trying to say there is that it's fashionable these days to say something you know, hip and edgy. "nah, we could go pillaging and plundering! arrrr!" or whatever inane bs of the sort.
1416813;1456600848;danielpbarron;well i shortened it for brevity; my actual response was something like "no i'm gonna tie you up and hang you from the rafters, yeah talk"
1416814;1456600869;mircea_popescu;o.O
1416815;1456600881;mircea_popescu;you said that ?!
1416816;1456600895;danielpbarron;yeah. was that bad?
1416817;1456600898;mircea_popescu;now we know how all the "almost raped irl" cases happen irl.
1416818;1456600911;mircea_popescu;buncha impressionable teenagers talk to danielpbarron, fail to see the humour.
1416819;1456600924;danielpbarron;oh she was no teenage, approximately my age
1416820;1456600934;danielpbarron;although mentally who knows
1416821;1456600941;mircea_popescu;the prostitution rests.
1416822;1456601166;danielpbarron;!b 10
1416823;1456601167;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/171RDC3.txt )
1416824;1456601262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416697 << don't be silly, it did solve it. he came here and complained.
1416825;1456601262;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 18:35:59; ben_vulpes: what, reading the logs magically solves the key distribution problem? or do i catastrophically misunderstand.
1416826;1456601267;mircea_popescu;this is correct and functioning as intended.
1416827;1456601290;ben_vulpes;that is not 'reading the logs' that is 'engaging with the forum'
1416828;1456601309;asciilifeform;actually he went to pm, at me, and is very sad, can't get sig to verify for no reason i can ascertain.
1416829;1456601311;mircea_popescu;the beauty of our arrangement being that we actually provide provably-correct, provably-complete solutions to problems that provably can not be formally formulated.
1416830;1456601330;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes these terms have meanings you distinguish how ?
1416831;1456601419;ben_vulpes;one passive one active?
1416832;1456601444;mircea_popescu;active "talking to the forum" gets people in trouble and passive reading produces the dumb half of every college class.
1416833;1456601451;mircea_popescu;would you like to put in another quarter ?
1416834;1456601471;ben_vulpes;my favorite arcade game -- Wrong About Everything! (tm)
1416835;1456601481;mircea_popescu;lol
1416836;1456601588;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414470 << on an older thread: code takes at least 2 months to review, financial statements ~6, unless you're in a hurry to give asciilifeform 10 btc, may as well shoot for somewhere in that range.
1416837;1456601588;assbot;Logged on 24-02-2016 19:50:12; mircea_popescu: well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ?
1416838;1456601634;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes atm i'm just trying to politely temper the fellow's enthusiasm and un-allergenically redirect more of his efforts towards practical if boresome matters.
1416839;1456601637;mircea_popescu;watch me do it :
1416840;1456601652;mircea_popescu;FUCKING SHIT ON A STICK ALF WHERE THE FUCK IS PHUCTOR ALREADY!
1416841;1456601680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: presently in the terminal to the left, slowly postgresqlating
1416842;1456601690;mircea_popescu;mp management wurx.
1416843;1456601693;asciilifeform;aha!
1416844;1456601695;asciilifeform;magic.
1416845;1456601743;asciilifeform;but holy fuck is that thing slow
1416846;1456601750;asciilifeform;astonishing, how ever worked...
1416847;1456601778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74965 @ 0.000587 = 44.0045 BTC [+] {3} 
1416848;1456601805;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: re: that, i answered a while back, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2016#1415070
1416849;1456601805;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 01:38:57; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415038 << i suggest that it is done 1) no earlier than 4th 2) no earlier than working cramershouptron is posted 5) paid not to my earthly carcass but to snsa piggy - under whose flag it will be published.
1416850;1456601831;ben_vulpes;i saw
1416851;1456601904;ben_vulpes;in completely other news, the child just rolled over of his own accord for the first time
1416852;1456601916;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what did you name the boy anyway
1416853;1456601924;ben_vulpes;is now crowing self-satisfiedly on the floor
1416854;1456601937;ben_vulpes;name? he can't even talk yet.
1416855;1456601947;asciilifeform;l0lk
1416856;1456601980;ben_vulpes;you get a name in this family when you take out your first irs agent
1416857;1456602113;ben_vulpes;cedar levi vulpes, in the grand vulpesian tradition of shit not making any sense whatsoever
1416858;1456602161;asciilifeform;l0l i can see him setting mines for nazi echelons near warsaw or the like.
1416859;1456602166;asciilifeform;somewhere in belorussia.
1416860;1456602228;ben_vulpes;i'm expecting vietnamese-style contact mines launched from a longbow but yes
1416861;1456602260;asciilifeform;l0l bpg
1416862;1456602268;ben_vulpes;bpg?
1416863;1456602278;asciilifeform;bowstrig-propelled-grenade ?
1416864;1456602281;asciilifeform;*string
1416865;1456602321;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> you get a name in this family when you take out your first irs agent << bwahahaha
1416866;1456602359;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aha yes
1416867;1456602359;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so he's going to be chevy to his jr high class ?
1416868;1456602369;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: to get briefly back to the cramer shoup thing, i am very much curious re: who is going to review it, and how
1416869;1456602382;ben_vulpes;'cascadian mortar'
1416870;1456602386;*;mircea_popescu reads cedar like the cheese. like in the old country. CHEdar beotch!
1416871;1456602397;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: lol
1416872;1456602412;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in case you slept through the thread, there are no public implementations in the ordinary sense, of whatever kind.
1416873;1456602419;mircea_popescu;i was here.
1416874;1456602430;mircea_popescu;just because my eyes move independently of the head doesn't mean i'm not reading!
1416875;1456602431;ben_vulpes;nono, saw.
1416876;1456602442;asciilifeform;kedr.
1416877;1456602443;mircea_popescu;fucking specieism
1416878;1456602469;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: add it to the long list of shit that'll need multiple implementations just for testing
1416879;1456602475;mircea_popescu;^
1416880;1456602497;mircea_popescu;as needed as it may be, a woman takes nine months to produce a cepher no matter how many vulpes are working on her.
1416881;1456602504;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: think for a minute, about the peculiar nature of crypto.
1416882;1456602505;mircea_popescu;cipher*
1416883;1456602516;asciilifeform;it is not enough that the program - runs.
1416884;1456602530;mircea_popescu;that;s not what he meant omg!
1416885;1456602531;asciilifeform;someone actually has to get off his mathematical arse.
1416886;1456602537;asciilifeform;preferably - more than one someone.
1416887;1456602542;mircea_popescu;sometwo
1416888;1456602588;ben_vulpes;must be two for comparison to be meaningful
1416889;1456602628;mircea_popescu;mno. comparisons of 1 and 3 are meaningful. comparison of two is confusing.
1416890;1456602637;ben_vulpes;and mircea_popescu what jr high classmates lol
1416891;1456602673;ben_vulpes;ah tie problem
1416892;1456602684;mircea_popescu;all joking aside : kids gotta grow up with kids. first few years dun matter, but if he doesn't spend a decade covered in opp starting at about 5 or so he's going to suffer for it.
1416893;1456602746;asciilifeform;opp?
1416894;1456602751;mircea_popescu;this "home education" thing works for me, if and when i decide to knock up two dozen slaves and then produce a litter the size of an average obeast.
1416895;1456602758;ben_vulpes;"other people's progeny"?
1416896;1456602765;mircea_popescu;single father single mother single child home ed is how they ended up needing freud.
1416897;1456602768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform other people's piss.
1416898;1456602773;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1416899;1456602787;ben_vulpes;'tisn't actually "alone at home" in this part of the world.
1416900;1456602798;mircea_popescu;but you can mentally think of it as part of the "piss and vinegar" doublet if the physiology bothers.
1416901;1456602800;ben_vulpes;tis a healthy wot of "fuck you usg" around here
1416902;1456602811;mircea_popescu;a something like that.
1416903;1456602818;asciilifeform;how does one spend a decade before 5 ?
1416904;1456602822;asciilifeform;is my parser broken ?
1416905;1456602829;mircea_popescu;it is. postifix ?!
1416906;1456602845;ben_vulpes;no "school" per se, but individuals contracted to teach groups of 5, 8, perhaps 10, specific subjects.
1416907;1456602879;mircea_popescu;i hear that's how the founding fathers grew up all weird.
1416908;1456602880;ben_vulpes;parents who know certain subjects teach those. parents with large houses host 1-3 days/wk.
1416909;1456602904;mircea_popescu;check out the jews, made themselves a fucking kibbutz right in the middle of oregon.
1416910;1456602934;ben_vulpes;healthy dose of evangelicals too. broad political spectrum united almost solely by 'no fucking way'.
1416911;1456602960;mircea_popescu;this is for the first time in like a decade i ever remotely felt like visiting that place.
1416912;1456602970;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, 'no way' ~what~ specifically
1416913;1456602981;mircea_popescu;no, that's the beauty of it.
1416914;1456602985;asciilifeform;'no way we will be ruled by pedos in funny hats' ?
1416915;1456602988;asciilifeform;or which is it.
1416916;1456602994;mircea_popescu;"specifically" is the instrument of the devil.
1416917;1456603008;mircea_popescu;you specifically, motherfucker. not me. government doesn't hold the handles of the debate.
1416918;1456603044;asciilifeform;i had no idea ben_vulpes was a pashtun.
1416919;1456603046;asciilifeform;neato.
1416920;1456603137;asciilifeform;this zaps several mysteries in my head.
1416921;1456603173;mircea_popescu;!alf list mysteries
1416922;1456603196;ben_vulpes;yes, which mysteries?
1416923;1456603205;asciilifeform;in this particular case, why offspring
1416924;1456603314;mircea_popescu;in other face news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/128df28123993d09d38ea880329c8639/tumblr_mjtpa58NGR1ro2gueo1_1280.jpg
1416925;1456603315;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3a4pe )
1416926;1456603319;mircea_popescu;how about her alfie ? still no good ?
1416927;1456603338;asciilifeform;l0l
1416928;1456603345;ben_vulpes;yeesh that's quite a face
1416929;1456603349;mircea_popescu;>D
1416930;1456603358;asciilifeform;this one is instant-hire at the circus, aha.
1416931;1456603364;ben_vulpes;lolclown
1416932;1456603397;mircea_popescu;omfg this is cruel. she's a young woman with perky tits. what do you want!
1416933;1456603420;mircea_popescu;sometimes i suspect i might be the most tolerant of women fellow that ever lived or something.
1416934;1456603433;ben_vulpes;pashtun << not so much ethnic as "don't talk to cops. seriously, don't fucking talk to cops. furthermore, beat up anyone you see talking to cops."
1416935;1456603473;mircea_popescu;ok, fine, how about http://49.media.tumblr.com/afa2f5ceb8c86cbee99dea8b4f7bc183/tumblr_ms96d8vnPV1qlne6uo1_500.gif ?
1416936;1456603474;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRbPnQ )
1416937;1456603486;asciilifeform;mmmmhmmm
1416938;1456603488;ben_vulpes;"also wouldja re-zip-tie that vagrant that tried to get in last night, bob won't be by with the export wagon for another 2 days"
1416939;1456603557;ben_vulpes;but yes, i would rather live in bootstrapped country squalor in plastic domes than most us cities.
1416940;1456603589;ben_vulpes;http://rigsomelight.com/assets/images/dome.jpg << illustrating, again
1416941;1456603591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRc5D4 )
1416942;1456603617;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: remind me specifically why geodesic
1416943;1456603624;asciilifeform;i mean, it makes sense in a pressure hull
1416944;1456603626;asciilifeform;on, e.g., mars.
1416945;1456603632;asciilifeform;but why here on planet3.
1416946;1456603673;asciilifeform;(i can think of one reason)
1416947;1456603878;ben_vulpes;shortwave for the blockchain, solar panels for time-arbitraged electricity, hole of car batteries for storage
1416948;1456603899;ben_vulpes;the linked dome has an astonishingly low part number, and readily available feedstock.
1416949;1456603913;ben_vulpes;is waterproof by construction
1416950;1456603921;ben_vulpes;(skin as frame)
1416951;1456603936;ben_vulpes;but i'd hope to only use that for bootstrapping.
1416952;1456604411;BingoBoingo; 'punked' ? << yes
1416953;1456604521;BingoBoingo; bowstrig-propelled-grenade ? << Rambo
1416954;1456604610;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: predator?
1416955;1456604645;BingoBoingo; this is for the first time in like a decade i ever remotely felt like visiting that place. << All Cascadians coalesce to Jewish culture
1416956;1456604678;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ? Wasn't bow grendade Rambo First Blood part 2?
1416957;1456604706;*;ben_vulpes wouldn't know, not particularly well versed
1416958;1456604741;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: That's because Cascadia isn't real 'Murica
1416959;1456604765;BingoBoingo;Also why not swap the car batteries for Chicom FeNi battery bank while one can still be had
1416960;1456604799;BingoBoingo;Or do you want night time geodesic civilization to have an expiration date?
1416961;1456604950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00058369 = 29.5931 BTC [-] {2} 
1416962;1456605033;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: all parts will likely need scavenging into existence
1416963;1456605290;BingoBoingo;Or... You get them rather soon-ish
1416964;1456605295;BingoBoingo;brb, homesteading
1416965;1456605522;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: d'you have a minute to answer shiva questions?
1416966;1456605643;ben_vulpes;tinyscheme still needs renaming to shiva, correct?
1416967;1456605996;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << press genesis_fixed, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, rename tinyscheme to shiva, recompile yes? asciilifeform phf ^^
1416968;1456605997;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )
1416969;1456606004;ben_vulpes;also i suppose polarbeard?
1416970;1456606353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126500 @ 0.00058652 = 74.1948 BTC [+] {4} 
1416971;1456606576;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416966 << only if you really wantvto build from the pedigree bridge
1416972;1456606576;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 20:40:43; ben_vulpes: tinyscheme still needs renaming to shiva, correct?
1416973;1456606603;asciilifeform;(there is no actual reason to do this more than once per lifetime)
1416974;1456606629;asciilifeform;normally you ought to use the shiva i posted and its bugfix.
1416975;1456606650;ben_vulpes;hm
1416976;1456606674;asciilifeform;when we get a turingcomplete vtron, i will regrind all of my works
1416977;1456606693;asciilifeform;so that this kind of confusion can go away.
1416978;1456606695;ben_vulpes;so i should be able to leave the tinyscheme dir as tinyscheme? or am i screwing up royally in that my patch applications don't result in a shiva dir?
1416979;1456606727;asciilifeform;!s from:asciilifeform pedigree bridge
1416980;1456606727;assbot;4 results for 'from:asciilifeform pedigree bridge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+pedigree+bridge
1416981;1456606767;asciilifeform;!s pedigree bridge
1416982;1456606767;assbot;15 results for 'pedigree bridge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pedigree+bridge
1416983;1456606861;asciilifeform;PLEASE stop trying to press shiva from tinyscheme-bridge folks !!!!11
1416984;1456606876;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2016#1411369 << i am failing to turn this thread into usable actions
1416985;1456606876;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 00:37:21; phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
1416986;1456606916;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411371 <<<<<<<<<<<
1416987;1456606916;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2016 00:38:02; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.
1416988;1456606936;ben_vulpes;yeah, staring at it
1416989;1456606956;asciilifeform;followed by http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html
1416990;1456606957;assbot;[BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven )
1416991;1456607003;asciilifeform;nm wrong link wtf
1416992;1456607027;ben_vulpes;so to recap: tinyscheme_genesis, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, and then flag_bug_fix?
1416993;1456607030;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html
1416994;1456607031;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP )
1416995;1456607037;asciilifeform;then the bugfix.
1416996;1456607054;asciilifeform;leave tinyscheme genesis alone.
1416997;1456607128;asciilifeform;1) press a trb
1416998;1456607134;asciilifeform;2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2.vpatch?sha1=8d22942ffc97296845fad81c3a78acfdf54af23a
1416999;1456607137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKGDX4 )
1417000;1456607152;asciilifeform;3 ) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48
1417001;1456607153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF7pT )
1417002;1456607169;asciilifeform;4) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160131/asciilifeform_shiva_fix_flag_bug.vpatch?sha1=8e9f57bf90fc32f4c3bdd88adfb449edd3b93e3c
1417003;1456607170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKGF16 )
1417004;1456607182;asciilifeform;5) ??? 6) profit
1417005;1456607194;ben_vulpes;thank you for the very explicit directions, asciilifeform .
1417006;1456607200;asciilifeform;np
1417007;1456607240;*;asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell.
1417008;1456607246;ben_vulpes;before you bail
1417009;1456607253;asciilifeform;hm?
1417010;1456607269;ben_vulpes;was i not to interpret "rebake using the correct v-tron" as "supercedes previous missive"?
1417011;1456607288;asciilifeform;where is this?
1417012;1456607296;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html
1417013;1456607297;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )
1417014;1456607333;ben_vulpes;>
1417015;1456607334;ben_vulpes;Apply the pedigree bridge path, re-name the directory to shiva, and you get
1417016;1456607336;ben_vulpes;the very same. <<
1417017;1456607365;asciilifeform;this is correct, but it supersedes prev version of ~ts genesis~
1417018;1456607370;ben_vulpes;should have communicated to me that 201 did not supercede 198
1417019;1456607371;asciilifeform;not shiva !!!
1417020;1456607396;asciilifeform;i will explain, hopefully for the last time,
1417021;1456607405;asciilifeform;ts gnesis has
1417022;1456607418;asciilifeform;same rel to shiva as
1417023;1456607438;asciilifeform;0.5.3 cutter had to chicken.
1417024;1456607479;asciilifeform;it was a forced misery because gnudiff can't rename motherfucking files.
1417025;1456607485;asciilifeform;nor delete.
1417026;1456607521;asciilifeform;makes sense ?
1417027;1456607740;ben_vulpes;i believe so, yes.
1417028;1456607750;ben_vulpes;have fun in meatspace, i'll derp through it.
1417029;1456607812;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1417030;1456608610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52000 @ 0.00058786 = 30.5687 BTC [+] {2} 
1417031;1456610501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58662 @ 0.00058334 = 34.2199 BTC [-] {3} 
1417032;1456610643;ben_vulpes;#>(btc-get-best-height)
1417033;1456610645;ben_vulpes;399924
1417034;1456610671;ben_vulpes;^^ nifty, asciilifeform! thanks for bearing with my thickness.
1417035;1456611782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00058586 = 16.7556 BTC [+]
1417036;1456612636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00058736 = 37.6204 BTC [+]
1417037;1456614345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79100 @ 0.00058761 = 46.48 BTC [+] {2} 
1417038;1456614894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50093 @ 0.00058789 = 29.4492 BTC [+] {2} 
1417039;1456615626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33176 @ 0.00058789 = 19.5038 BTC [+]
1417040;1456616114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00058586 = 26.4809 BTC [-]
1417041;1456617487;mircea_popescu;nice ben_vulpes
1417042;1456617496;mircea_popescu;and omfg fleanode spam!
1417043;1456617578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75861 @ 0.00058586 = 44.4439 BTC [-]
1417044;1456617635;mircea_popescu;!up hsmiths
1417045;1456617952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ben_vulpes and everyone else into supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19
1417046;1456617953;assbot;#Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-02-27 ... ( http://bit.ly/21r0UYp )
1417047;1456617958;mircea_popescu;(read prior and after, lulzy abounds)
1417048;1456618249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00058586 = 16.697 BTC [-]
1417049;1456618655;mircea_popescu;and in other "here's my face" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8e7e56c4b6c0334a54523406120211ed/tumblr_mjie6rz8Se1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1417050;1456618657;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEdcjH )
1417051;1456619042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00058586 = 18.191 BTC [-]
1417052;1456619826;phf;current take is naive, uses a list of digits for presentation and a mul/shift/add approach to multiplication. mostly a poc
1417053;1456619948;phf;i'd like to read knuth chapters for a bit, but aocp warez is surprisingly awful. torrents of pdf scans without table of contents (!!!) and people in comments going "thanks for most useful books evaa!!!". does anybody actually tried using this shit?
1417054;1456620201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74900 @ 0.0005832 = 43.6817 BTC [-] {2} 
1417055;1456620342;phf;knuth actually made a version with working crosslinks and table of contents and such, but those cost as much as the printed version and are "personalized". i take it nobody bothered getting rid of watermark and publishing it, or i can't find a copy anyway
1417056;1456620934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57950 @ 0.00058672 = 34.0004 BTC [+] {2} 
1417057;1456621287;BingoBoingo;That complete lack of assumptions is very impressive
1417058;1456621543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00058789 = 14.6385 BTC [+]
1417059;1456622031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00058789 = 22.5038 BTC [+]
1417060;1456622092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.00058804 = 13.2744 BTC [+] {2} 
1417061;1456623000;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo
1417062;1456623036;ben_vulpes;satoshi bless the noobs, for they bring lulz and drama.
1417063;1456623043;ben_vulpes;quite the netsplit.
1417064;1456623300;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seriously though it is far more refreshing than YAJE, Yet Another Jackoffscript Evangelist
1417065;1456623307;mircea_popescu;aha.
1417066;1456623318;mircea_popescu;guy's actually pretty good, found/fixed small cracks in the wiki etc
1417067;1456623350;BingoBoingo;Maybe point him at TRB documentation after he's done fixing Eulora?
1417068;1456623378;mircea_popescu;lol. may be a long while, eulora took the crown for "most broken republican codebase" sometime this year i think
1417069;1456623721;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1417070;1456623743;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2813.01, vol: 38011.01690000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2813.01
1417071;1456624105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00058549 = 12.0025 BTC [-]
1417072;1456624616;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1417073;1456624632;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 305.466957, vol: 4200.03059766 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 305.322777, vol: 4186.21487 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 311.4288, vol: 0.46043058 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 308.70326, vol: 38805.73280000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 314.11996, vol: 1.1587369 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 307.32, vol: 44.85189837 | Volume-weighted last average: 308.114787885
1417074;1456624634;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1417075;1456624646;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.36, vol: 4208.70566845 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.201, vol: 4184.74036 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.99, vol: 16453.42615972 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 432.0, vol: 0.46043058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.347821, vol: 38843.33320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 425.64999, vol: 490.41688409 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 426.348, vol: 44.85189837 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1417076;1456624648;BingoBoingo;;;more
1417077;1456624648;gribble;426.22555256
1417078;1456624959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00058549 = 20.9605 BTC [-]
1417079;1456625694;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
1417080;1456625716;ben_vulpes;i thought we considered that glass left on the floor for barefoot burglars
1417081;1456626911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00058922 = 34.1158 BTC [+] {3} 
1417082;1456627338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58269 @ 0.00058451 = 34.0588 BTC [-] {3} 
1417083;1456627585;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/2015-irs-breach-estimate-revised-upwards-to-720000-records/ << Pls to confirm I used the correct Bre(a/e)ch
1417084;1456627586;assbot;2015 IRS Breach Estimate Revised Upwards To 720,000 Records | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSbvR )
1417085;1456627643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23905 @ 0.00058947 = 14.0913 BTC [+]
1417086;1456627704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28595 @ 0.0005901 = 16.8739 BTC [+] {5} 
1417087;1456627799;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
1417088;1456627810;mircea_popescu;:)
1417089;1456627873;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess i'm just going to add "this is good for fiat" comments from now on.
1417090;1456627876;phf;ben_vulpes: depends on what you're trying to do
1417091;1456627885;mircea_popescu;by 2020 or so, if i do at least 10-20k a day, we might be caught up
1417092;1456627945;ben_vulpes;phf: i don't quite know yet. i'm just barely a code-technician, creativity and imagination's another 5-7 years off for me.
1417093;1456627948;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lol
1417094;1456627975;*;ben_vulpes afk for a bit, if not the eve
1417095;1456628141;ben_vulpes;phf: mebbe rewrite the syncing loop?
1417096;1456628235;ben_vulpes;;;later tell trinque BEHOLD http://www.businessinsider.com/meta-glasses-could-be-future-of-work-2016-2?r=DE&IR=T
1417097;1456628236;assbot;Meta glasses could be future of work - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSl6q )
1417098;1456628236;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1417099;1456628831;mircea_popescu;speaking of box-chess : http://41.media.tumblr.com/1bf6111f15b131dbef04c23c3b19e74d/tumblr_mf8kskjRLp1s0gddxo1_1280.jpg
1417100;1456628832;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmSBCs )
1417101;1456628836;mircea_popescu;there's the box, and there's the chess.
1417102;1456629046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52350 @ 0.00059064 = 30.92 BTC [+] {3} 
1417103;1456629175;phf;ben_vulpes: so the way thing works right now, is that when you connect a new instance of scheme runtime is created, which is then fed init.scm and connected to the network stream fd. right now the pattern that we have is from inside a running instance you can call out into trb and make it do things
1417104;1456629237;BingoBoingo;http://www.t-platforms.ru/about-company/press-releases/625--25022016.html
1417105;1456629240;assbot;Новости компании - 25.02.2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3gW60 )
1417106;1456629329;BingoBoingo;From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet network, designed for the safe ope
1417107;1456629329;BingoBoingo;ration of VPN and PKI services. The company CRYPTO-PRO adapts crypto CryptoPro SSP, are widely used, in particular, for the authorization of electronic signatures in the documents. Adaptation also tested cryptographic USB-tokens Rutoken S and Rutoken electronic signature for secure two-factor authentication in computer systems and storage of key information."
1417108;1456629430;BingoBoingo;Apparently shipping Q2 2016
1417109;1456629541;phf;ben_vulpes: in order to support any sort of rewrite of existing code, need to figure out how to have scheme runtime created at bitcoind start and that runtime allowing for reentry
1417110;1456629877;phf;which requires a better understanding of how ts's stack work, or perhaps figuring out how to make multiple scheme instances share same oblist or something
1417111;1456630006;phf;i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http
1417112;1456630088;ben_vulpes;> allowing for reentry << bleeee
1417113;1456630101;ben_vulpes;okay i'll leave that and the slime work to the real artisans
1417114;1456630206;phf;also the whole thing is not thread safe...
1417115;1456630313;phf;but then i also tend to overthink things, for all i know there's a perfectly trivial solution to all things
1417116;1456630406;ben_vulpes;hey
1417117;1456630407;ben_vulpes;hey phf
1417118;1456630411;ben_vulpes;how bout dem clang scripts
1417119;1456630427;ben_vulpes;;)
1417120;1456630449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109392 @ 0.00059085 = 64.6343 BTC [+] {3} 
1417121;1456630498;phf;well, i can give you half baked version ;)
1417122;1456630510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0005911 = 20.7228 BTC [+] {2} 
1417123;1456630518;phf;ben_vulpes: http://paste.lisp.org/display/308410
1417124;1456630519;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3hiti )
1417125;1456630628;ben_vulpes;#> (btc_connections)
1417126;1456630630;ben_vulpes;0
1417127;1456630652;ben_vulpes;dash/hyphen conventions alive, ^^ asciilifeform, phf, mod6_, mircea_popescu
1417128;1456630662;ben_vulpes;s/alive/aside
1417129;1456630682;ben_vulpes;nifty, phf!
1417130;1456630729;phf;1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make
1417131;1456630755;ben_vulpes;v. cool
1417132;1456630766;ben_vulpes;yeah i imagined that running buildroot wouldn't make sense on a bsdalike
1417133;1456630938;phf;well, after my eulora travails i can trivially build anything on mac os x with homebrew (thanks mp!), in this case there's not even a need to fuck around since b-a approved versions of dependencies have brew formulas for them
1417134;1456631031;ben_vulpes;you're a real rubro now phf!
1417135;1456631077;ben_vulpes;anyways, rather neet. looking forward to shortening my loop up.
1417136;1456631091;ben_vulpes;i'm off to waft the child through hipstergenic clouds of pot smoke
1417137;1456631138;phf;i'm going to have some kefir and decompress from the day
1417138;1456631173;phf;i might even produce some instructions for a heathen build using brew/clang/cmake
1417139;1456631852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00059146 = 8.9015 BTC [+]
1417140;1456632462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00059183 = 15.0917 BTC [+] {2} 
1417141;1456632516;mircea_popescu;phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.
1417142;1456632880;BingoBoingo;!up iinaj
1417143;1456633255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111550 @ 0.00059237 = 66.0789 BTC [+] {2} 
1417144;1456633555;mircea_popescu;lol yw
1417145;1456634292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00059237 = 34.8314 BTC [+]
1417146;1456635458;BingoBoingo;Justice Porn from 2013. Take away ashtrays as part of a pretend smoking ban, Fuck you get litter: https://archive.is/61rRZ
1417147;1456635459;assbot;Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )
1417148;1456635490;BingoBoingo;Wait, wrong one
1417149;1456636671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00058816 = 42.818 BTC [-] {2} 
1417150;1456637333;asciilifeform;massive fleanode retardation
1417151;1456637351;asciilifeform;incidentally, what kind of sense does it make for arsebot to lose everybody's session when it dies ?
1417152;1456637368;asciilifeform;i mean, i understand losing session when ~people~ log out.
1417153;1456637428;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417141 << i actually wrote it for entirely other reason but only made it public because mircea_popescu suggested curing the rpc retardation
1417154;1456637428;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 04:08:36; mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.
1417155;1456637442;phf;plx more details!
1417156;1456637515;asciilifeform;phf: ?
1417157;1456637536;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417106 << BingoBoingo you can buy the usg version of this idocy right now. eager ?
1417158;1456637536;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 03:15:29; BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet networ
1417159;1456637536;asciilifeform;*idiocy
1417160;1456637545;phf;oh i meant, what was the entirely other reason?
1417161;1456637557;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes, idiocy remains
1417162;1456637566;asciilifeform;phf: tx debugger
1417163;1456637692;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417087 << what did ben_vulpes mean here ?
1417164;1456637692;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
1417165;1456637730;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417079 << copied from similar routine elsewhere. it's a cheap stack smash pill. see logz.
1417166;1456637730;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 02:14:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
1417167;1456637740;asciilifeform;!s IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK
1417168;1456637740;assbot;4 results for 'IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK
1417169;1456637908;phf;asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
1417170;1456638219;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417169 << this is utterly, screamingly ugly and i will sign no part of it.
1417171;1456638219;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 05:38:28; phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
1417172;1456638264;asciilifeform;shiva is for abolishing cppisms in whole unitary chunks.
1417173;1456638272;asciilifeform;not line by line, wtf.
1417174;1456638288;asciilifeform;rpc is an example.
1417175;1456638317;asciilifeform;it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
1417176;1456638363;phf;i only ride 'em, i don't know what makes 'em work.
1417177;1456638558;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o <
1417178;1456638559;assbot;Kelly's Heroes Oddball Takes a Rest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEI0Rk )
1417179;1456639273;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: okok! point taken.
1417180;1456639698;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: is it inane of me to ask about hyphen/underscore conventions in shiva.cpp?
1417181;1456639715;phf;(hyphen plx)
1417182;1456639752;ben_vulpes;phf: and in the c function declarations?
1417183;1456639794;phf;underscore
1417184;1456639823;ben_vulpes;this is idiomatic c and scheme?
1417185;1456639829;phf;yes
1417186;1456639843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00058829 = 19.5606 BTC [+] {2} 
1417187;1456639866;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo
1417188;1456639867;assbot;I Know Nothing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OEJLOi )
1417189;1456641978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00058404 = 3.4458 BTC [-]
1417190;1456642344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00058976 = 73.0176 BTC [+] {4} 
1417191;1456642396;ben_vulpes;phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.
1417192;1456643595;phf;i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
1417193;1456644572;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417130 << wurx
1417194;1456644572;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 03:38:49; phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make
1417195;1456644581;ben_vulpes;at least, complains of no shiva flags
1417196;1456644595;phf;no shiva flags?
1417197;1456644597;ben_vulpes;lemme see if it shits to disk
1417198;1456644607;ben_vulpes;Error: If Shiva is enabled, MUST specify init file!
1417199;1456644616;ben_vulpes;init file, scuse me
1417200;1456644619;phf;oh oh
1417201;1456644698;phf;yeah no reason why it wouldn't work from there..
1417202;1456644717;ben_vulpes;holy fuckadoodle phf delivars
1417203;1456644735;phf;in other news, http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank
1417204;1456644736;assbot;phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmWPKx )
1417205;1456644776;ben_vulpes;heavens to betsy
1417206;1456644778;ben_vulpes;what a night
1417207;1456644833;ben_vulpes;heheheh strbuffsize goes from 256 to 2048
1417208;1456644881;phf;big buffer ensures i can send big function over wire and tinyscheme doesn't barf
1417209;1456644906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.0005877 = 35.3795 BTC [-] {2} 
1417210;1456644917;phf;after application, run with -swank in addition to all the other shiva args, and connecting to the shiva port with slime-connect should work mircles
1417211;1456644936;ben_vulpes;aha i assumed, just thought it funny how quickly that number got bigger and by how much
1417212;1456644954;ben_vulpes;hey phf this btcbase thing would rule with anchored line numbers on patches
1417213;1456644974;phf;it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
1417214;1456644990;ben_vulpes;oh huh
1417215;1456645011;phf;select thing is still vaguely broken though
1417216;1456645013;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#selection-1003.0-1007.24
1417217;1456645014;assbot;phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph6vzp )
1417218;1456645027;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1417219;1456645039;ben_vulpes;clearly you need more to do
1417220;1456645046;*;ben_vulpes ducks
1417221;1456645054;phf;indeed
1417222;1456645106;phf;maybe a skilled fullstack developer could fix the selection widget for us
1417223;1456645118;phf;if only we had some web development professional in our ranks
1417224;1456645339;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho
1417225;1456645364;*;ben_vulpes kicks tires, spits
1417226;1456645371;ben_vulpes;myup, looks like y'all got a wad of javascript
1417227;1456645387;ben_vulpes;i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
1417228;1456645394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98750 @ 0.00059171 = 58.4314 BTC [+] {4} 
1417229;1456645420;ben_vulpes;you'll probably want to re-grease the decompilator with some euros while we're at it, that never hurts and can frequently improve end-user experience
1417230;1456645465;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1391942 << previous take on this problem
1417231;1456645465;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 22:30:16; phf: he can get me a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react
1417232;1456645520;ben_vulpes;you people seem to think that i actually handle the rods myself
1417233;1456645638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00059165 = 46.1191 BTC [-] {2} 
1417234;1456645641;ben_vulpes;#> (btc-connections)
1417235;1456645643;ben_vulpes;0
1417236;1456645646;ben_vulpes;^^ natively on the mac
1417237;1456645650;ben_vulpes;what a time to be alive
1417238;1456645750;ben_vulpes;phf: consider linking to sigs from patch page?
1417239;1456645754;ben_vulpes;also signers line i think is broken
1417240;1456645803;phf;signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
1417241;1456645814;ben_vulpes;myeah, i figured.
1417242;1456645839;ben_vulpes;mebbe call it "press party"
1417243;1456645848;ben_vulpes;full of bad ideas tonight, me
1417244;1456645943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36050 @ 0.00059246 = 21.3582 BTC [+]
1417245;1456646277;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcQqFk1XIAAJzhr.jpg:large "Pope Francis meets Instagram CEO at the Vatican to discuss "power of images.""
1417246;1456646277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph84gG )
1417247;1456646391;punkman;oh he has a twitter account, that's great https://twitter.com/pontifex
1417248;1456646393;assbot;Pope Francis (@Pontifex) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8dRn )
1417249;1456646814;punkman;http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/
1417250;1456646815;assbot;SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph8SSV )
1417251;1456647001;ben_vulpes;age trumps r/w load eh?
1417252;1456647057;phf;main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links
1417253;1456647179;punkman;phf, maybe better to do line numbers and use line ranges in the link anchor
1417254;1456647205;phf;aye
1417255;1456647259;phf;but line numbers better match the vpatch lines, that requires patching the vpatch parser, so i'm just going to sleep instead :)
1417256;1456647342;ben_vulpes;nn phf great work
1417257;1456647354;ben_vulpes;Connecting to Swank on port 1336..
1417258;1456647356;ben_vulpes;error in process filter: net-read error: (cl-assertion-failed (cl-plusp length))
1417259;1456647362;ben_vulpes;^^ to haunt your dreams
1417260;1456647368;phf;hmm
1417261;1456647402;phf;if you just connect to 1336 with netcat, and type a bunch of random letters, does it bail with "wrong length" error?
1417262;1456647443;ben_vulpes;nope, eval error unbound
1417263;1456647461;phf;did you pass the ./bitcoind a -swank argument?
1417264;1456647474;ben_vulpes;a no
1417265;1456647492;ben_vulpes;herp derp
1417266;1456647703;ben_vulpes;doooope
1417267;1456647730;ben_vulpes;ty phf
1417268;1456647774;punkman;mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
1417269;1456647775;assbot;#Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-02-27 ... ( http://bit.ly/21r0UYp )
1417270;1456647834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68745 @ 0.0005901 = 40.5664 BTC [-] {2} 
1417271;1456647853;phf;ben_vulpes: you can now control the universe
1417272;1456647894;ben_vulpes;this is a mega patch
1417273;1456647895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50505 @ 0.00059253 = 29.9257 BTC [+]
1417274;1456647985;ben_vulpes;phf: get to bed before i bog you down in emacs config arcana
1417275;1456648010;phf;ooh ooh, try apropos! also meta-tab completion!
1417276;1456648017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00059315 = 43.0627 BTC [+] {3} 
1417277;1456648076;ben_vulpes;eee
1417278;1456648079;ben_vulpes;apropos does a thing
1417279;1456648100;ben_vulpes;finds car and set-car!
1417280;1456648153;ben_vulpes;now to wire in compile-and-load-file
1417281;1456648272;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2016#1416586 speaking of which, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/world/europe/alexander-litvinenko-poisoning-inquiry-britain.html
1417282;1456648272;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 16:58:25; asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.
1417283;1456648275;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1phaY5g )
1417284;1456648310;punkman;"the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
1417285;1456648592;punkman;http://observer.com/2016/01/the-return-of-wetwork-kgb-goons-radiated-a-former-associate-in-london/
1417286;1456648593;assbot;The Return of Wetwork: KGB Goons Radiated a Former Associate in London | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbpfP )
1417287;1456648810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29386 @ 0.00058423 = 17.1682 BTC [-] {2} 
1417288;1456649200;punkman;http://www.brainsturbator.com/posts/409/the-human-brain-is-a-piece-of-shit
1417289;1456649201;assbot;Brainsturbator ... ( http://bit.ly/1phcpAs )
1417290;1456649802;ben_vulpes;punkman: wasn't that forever ago? or is there a new case
1417291;1456649984;punkman;nope, the old case
1417292;1456650026;punkman;10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular
1417293;1456650274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89260 @ 0.00058301 = 52.0395 BTC [-] {3} 
1417294;1456650296;punkman;for the kids http://bookzz.org/book/2474909/210e75
1417295;1456650297;assbot;The New Way Things Work | David Macaulay | digital library bookzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1phe2OG )
1417296;1456650335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6390 @ 0.0005828 = 3.7241 BTC [-]
1417297;1456650569;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1417298;1456650572;gribble;Current Blocks: 400386 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 797 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1417299;1456650666;punkman;;;nethash
1417300;1456650667;gribble;1153065295.31
1417301;1456650684;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0119 << well this will have to go
1417302;1456650685;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1pheDjB )
1417303;1456650769;punkman;I remember when I first saw "Help text is returned in an exception"
1417304;1456650778;ben_vulpes;and yes, yes. the whole rpc wart must be frozen with nitrogen and smashed into a zillion pieces.
1417305;1456650783;ben_vulpes;right?!
1417306;1456650817;ben_vulpes;what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
1417307;1456650839;ben_vulpes;like...what?
1417308;1456650845;punkman;not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list
1417309;1456651311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.0005828 = 23.4577 BTC [-]
1417310;1456651808;ben_vulpes;half-baked exclamations of disgust are probably best kept here
1417311;1456652287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21293 @ 0.0005828 = 12.4096 BTC [-]
1417312;1456652459;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mercedes-benz-robots-people-assembly-lines
1417313;1456652460;assbot;Mercedes-Benz swaps robots for people on its assembly lines | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1THk3PR )
1417314;1456653141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35252 @ 0.0005828 = 20.5449 BTC [-]
1417315;1456654746;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#0266 << what does it mean for `nLimitProcessors = nGenProcLimit` to be passed as the argument to WriteSetting? an implicit test returning a boolean doesn't make much sense to me as a value for nLimitProcessors
1417316;1456654747;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rc5Zck )
1417317;1456654788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005828 = 7.5764 BTC [-]
1417318;1456654910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37988 @ 0.00058429 = 22.196 BTC [+] {2} 
1417319;1456654911;ben_vulpes;a casual browsing of the source suggests to me that the processor limiting could be excised. thoughts?
1417320;1456654971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00059257 = 23.7028 BTC [+] {4} 
1417321;1456655075;ben_vulpes;well thanks to phf's fine work, i implemented get-connection-count, get-difficulty, get-generate, and am going to sleep on set-generate.
1417322;1456655119;punkman;it's not a boolean
1417323;1456655140;ben_vulpes;get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp
1417324;1456655147;ben_vulpes;the others are all trivial
1417325;1456655167;punkman;notice the single =
1417326;1456655176;ben_vulpes;punkman: yeah, a bool there doesn't make sense because it's used as a number of processors.
1417327;1456655224;ben_vulpes;punkman: yeah i have nfi
1417328;1456655285;ben_vulpes;assigns nLP equivalent to nGPL and throws it down the chute?
1417329;1456655324;ben_vulpes;why not just throw nGPL into WriteSetting?
1417330;1456655354;ben_vulpes;AaronvanW: your connection details are leaking before your host gets applied
1417331;1456655360;ben_vulpes;!up AaronvanW
1417332;1456655390;ben_vulpes;anyways, i'm off to bed. thanks punkman.
1417333;1456655404;punkman;ben_vulpes: because I guess nGPL is a global used somewhere else
1417334;1456655411;punkman;and fuck yeah I saved a line!
1417335;1456655413;AaronvanW;ben_vulpes: ah. any way to fix that?
1417336;1456655416;ben_vulpes;phf, asciilifeform: this is a real treat to work with
1417337;1456655433;punkman;AaronvanW: use SASL to login
1417338;1456655443;ben_vulpes;AaronvanW: you want "sasl", and to instruct whatever client you're using to not join channels until it's done swizzling the sasl
1417339;1456655468;AaronvanW;punkman ben_vulpes: will look into that, thanks
1417340;1456655495;ben_vulpes;AaronvanW: cheers
1417341;1456655513;punkman;ben_vulpes: second part isn't needed, sasl happens before the client can join anything
1417342;1456655535;ben_vulpes;punkman: BUT IT'S ONLY USED IN SETGENERATE OMFGWTFBBQ
1417343;1456655550;ben_vulpes;punkman: aha would you like a stack randomizer while we're at it?
1417344;1456655564;punkman;I'll take two
1417345;1456655575;ben_vulpes;more random stacks are more secure!
1417346;1456655590;ben_vulpes;rot13 in your ssh!
1417347;1456655605;ben_vulpes;mirror terminal output and learn to read backwards!
1417348;1456655633;ben_vulpes;sing songs from mary poppins while reading gpg-grams to defeat the high-fidelity microphones!
1417349;1456655649;*;ben_vulpes really to bed now
1417350;1456655683;ben_vulpes;!up TheRealJohnGalt are we through the netsplit and can i yell at you about your flapping connection yet?
1417351;1456656055;ben_vulpes;srsly.
1417352;1456658448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00059457 = 22.5639 BTC [+] {2} 
1417353;1456659119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54647 @ 0.00058545 = 31.9931 BTC [-] {2} 
1417354;1456660278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00059292 = 13.7557 BTC [+]
1417355;1456660644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00059453 = 14.2093 BTC [+] {2} 
1417356;1456661620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0005828 = 16.435 BTC [-]
1417357;1456662962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64858 @ 0.00057777 = 37.473 BTC [-] {2} 
1417358;1456663023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13342 @ 0.00057685 = 7.6963 BTC [-]
1417359;1456663389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00057685 = 2.1055 BTC [-] {2} 
1417360;1456663511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00057867 = 11.8049 BTC [+] {2} 
1417361;1456663999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00057685 = 16.2383 BTC [-] {2} 
1417362;1456664487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00057685 = 14.825 BTC [-] {2} 
1417363;1456665463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52496 @ 0.00057685 = 30.2823 BTC [-] {2} 
1417364;1456665646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112473 @ 0.00057592 = 64.7755 BTC [-] {6} 
1417365;1456665768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13526 @ 0.00057867 = 7.8271 BTC [+] {2} 
1417366;1456666134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00058669 = 10.3844 BTC [+] {2} 
1417367;1456669787;mircea_popescu;hhhola!
1417368;1456669899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417147 <<< this is so much like the "munca patriotica" bs you wouldn't believe.
1417369;1456669899;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 04:57:39; assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )
1417370;1456669977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8012 @ 0.00058356 = 4.6755 BTC [+]
1417371;1456670248;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/QGI9O5n.jpg
1417372;1456670249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/21szzFe )
1417373;1456670250;mircea_popescu;Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
1417374;1456670351;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417150 << there is no seession!
1417375;1456670351;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 05:28:53; asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation
1417376;1456670564;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417175 << i support this. the problem with the "easier" approach of "we don't cut whole parts but arbitrary fragments" is that now you not only baked in the fragmentator, which becomes one of your dependencies, but also have to keep track of arbitrary fragments, which are numerous (this is why replacing one file at a time, while dubious, is at least not involving MORE mov
1417377;1456670564;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 05:45:17; asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
1417378;1456670564;mircea_popescu;ing parts than replacing by conceptual unit, which is why it's more apt to be contemplated) and will soon overwhelm any "easier" benefits early on.
1417379;1456670672;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP just as much as bitco
1417380;1456670672;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 07:13:15; phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
1417381;1456670672;mircea_popescu;in.
1417382;1456670709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24942 @ 0.00058469 = 14.5833 BTC [+] {2} 
1417383;1456670710;mircea_popescu;from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
1417384;1456670783;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4dc9de1ffa726de86d8a1e8b40be897e/tumblr_mh3h7n1FfW1qddd4so1_1280.jpg
1417385;1456670785;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFoww3 )
1417386;1456670892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70263 @ 0.00059025 = 41.4727 BTC [+] {2} 
1417387;1456670953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26137 @ 0.00059459 = 15.5408 BTC [+]
1417388;1456670961;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417213 << i think we'll have to give up the mp's select thing. it apparently doesn't work well enough, for reasons i/nobody can be bothered to debug, and besides, new ones will prolly constantly pop up.
1417389;1456670961;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 07:36:14; phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
1417390;1456670963;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 http://btcinfo.sdf.org/node.html   <<< back above 70% xD
1417391;1456670964;assbot;dibbuk ... ( http://bit.ly/21sBppP )
1417392;1456670964;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1417393;1456670983;mircea_popescu;so goes my faint, if generous but doomed attempt to rescue javascript.
1417394;1456671009;mircea_popescu;fortunately btcbase does not actually need it as much as flat text. (there's a difference between text that's line-addressable and text that's paragraph-addressable.)
1417395;1456671159;mircea_popescu;you may think that "hey, so you just found your solution, have the machine put a  or a  before each paragraph and an anchor on it", but no. flat text is fundamentally different from ADRESSABLE text in general, the "paragraph-addressable" is a least-offensive kludge. and yes trilema is written deliberately, and constantly, with a view to breaking addressability from outside. because that's the sort of text it is, an
1417396;1456671159;mircea_popescu;d if it WERE addressable it'd just be shittier text. much like the uniform for a whore, some good things ruin other good things.
1417397;1456671231;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
1417398;1456671319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76500 @ 0.00059475 = 45.4984 BTC [+] {6} 
1417399;1456671990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00059522 = 91.277 BTC [+] {4} 
1417400;1456672181;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417240 < leads to moar scar tissue.
1417469;1456677779;mircea_popescu;what's that mean ?
1417470;1456677800;asciilifeform;failure of a mechanical system, or even of meat organ, tends to be a cascading phenomenon
1417471;1456677808;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1417472;1456677968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12064 @ 0.00057982 = 6.9949 BTC [-]
1417473;1456678234;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)
1417474;1456678273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00057882 = 37.1602 BTC [-] {2} 
1417475;1456678277;asciilifeform;how is 'gangrene produces more gangrene' not 'from cause' ?
1417476;1456678386;mircea_popescu;produces.
1417477;1456678420;mircea_popescu;"i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.
1417478;1456678445;asciilifeform;rust catalyzes rust. there is no purpose baked into the statement.
1417479;1456678454;asciilifeform;elementary 'x pushes y.'
1417480;1456678473;mircea_popescu;"if no wind"
1417481;1456678478;asciilifeform;aha
1417482;1456678485;asciilifeform;ergo we learn that there was no wind.
1417483;1456678486;mircea_popescu;this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.
1417484;1456678502;mircea_popescu;they end up baking in untested because unknown assumptions.
1417485;1456678506;mircea_popescu;which is why it's not thought.
1417486;1456678525;mircea_popescu;more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :
1417487;1456678536;mircea_popescu;"i do x because x IS y" < correct. thought. from cause.
1417488;1456678551;mircea_popescu;"i do x because x OUGHT TO y" < wrong. non-thought. towards purpose.
1417489;1456678570;asciilifeform;the first form only wins you anything if you've thoroughly nailed down the 'is'
1417490;1456678573;mircea_popescu;all "produces" reduce to "ought to", easier for people who comprehend enough physics to know time is not a thing, but even for more pedestrian minds.
1417491;1456678592;mircea_popescu;which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.
1417492;1456678617;asciilifeform;i suppose i'm thick, then
1417493;1456678624;asciilifeform;let's have the canonical form ?
1417494;1456678639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0005788 = 9.666 BTC [-] {3} 
1417495;1456678652;mircea_popescu;women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.
1417496;1456678682;mircea_popescu;note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"
1417497;1456678700;mircea_popescu;it is "have more women". the statistical entity.
1417498;1456678726;mircea_popescu;much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.
1417499;1456678743;mircea_popescu;for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.
1417500;1456678743;asciilifeform;mr mold described it in precisely these terms.
1417501;1456678747;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1417502;1456678750;asciilifeform;yes.
1417503;1456678755;mircea_popescu;linkplox ?
1417504;1456678759;mircea_popescu;might be his best article then.
1417505;1456678761;*;asciilifeform digs
1417506;1456678776;asciilifeform;here's a small lul meanwhile, https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-February/012434.html
1417507;1456678779;assbot;The Natseckers ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8am01 )
1417508;1456678871;asciilifeform;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html << possibly this was it.
1417509;1456678873;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: The real meaning of diversity ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8aCfp )
1417510;1456678876;mircea_popescu;anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.
1417511;1456678878;asciilifeform;the 'party member in every lift'.
1417512;1456678952;mircea_popescu;ben and jerry's is ultrapremium icecream ?
1417513;1456678959;asciilifeform;nfi.
1417514;1456678997;*;asciilifeform doesn't buy frozen concentrates, does not distinguish the grades
1417515;1456679057;mircea_popescu;i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.
1417516;1456679060;mircea_popescu;maybe in a very generous reading ?
1417517;1456679073;mircea_popescu;but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?
1417518;1456679080;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that this is the correct link.
1417519;1456679100;mircea_popescu;now im stuck reading another mile long pile of yarvinesque nonsense ? ;/
1417520;1456679103;asciilifeform;in fact, a good chunk of what i remember as 'moldbuggery' appears to be a synthesis that exists nowhere outside of my own head (and occasionally the logz)
1417521;1456679109;mircea_popescu;haha
1417522;1456679133;asciilifeform;but at any rate, he is speaking of something palpably real and known to virtually all usaschwitz inmates.
1417523;1456679142;asciilifeform;'there is to be a Party member in every lift.'
1417524;1456679167;mircea_popescu;but this is not a matter of parties per se. it is not a matter of conviction, it is a matter of biology.
1417525;1456679176;asciilifeform;'there is not to be a physical space where you feel safe speaking' is the ultimate objective of all sov-style systems.
1417526;1456679190;mircea_popescu;funny, let's ask allah
1417527;1456679236;mircea_popescu;Ù…      أَلَمْ تَرَ Ø£ÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙ‘ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ مَا يَكُونُ مِن نَّجْوَى ثَلاÙ
1417528;1456679236;mircea_popescu;‹Ø«ÙŽØ©Ù إلاَّ هُوَ رَابِعُهُمْ وَلاَ خَمْسَةٍ إِلاَّ هُوَ سَادِسُهُمْ وَلاَ أَدْنَى مِن ذَلِكَ وَلاَ أَكْثَرَ إِÙ
1417529;1456679237;mircea_popescu;„اَّ هُÙ
1417530;1456679240;mircea_popescu;o.O
1417531;1456679243;asciilifeform;my poor console
1417532;1456679245;mircea_popescu;look at that, allah is not welcome in the logs!
1417533;1456679251;asciilifeform;hey it worked when i did it
1417534;1456679260;mircea_popescu;Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.
1417535;1456679262;asciilifeform;allah likes utf-8.
1417536;1456679265;mircea_popescu;there. another socialism.
1417537;1456679292;mircea_popescu;which goes right back to a much older thread re arabs and women and how it all works.
1417538;1456679309;asciilifeform;and yes, totalitarian state consists of implementing in the flesh, precisely this.
1417539;1456679314;mircea_popescu;islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.
1417540;1456679336;asciilifeform;'subscribe and we'll help you hold her still for a spell' ?
1417541;1456679344;mircea_popescu;that enough bar is necessarily higher in eastern societies, that aren't quite as fucktarded as anglotwerps, and so here we go.
1417542;1456679388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!
1417543;1456679389;mircea_popescu;"172  Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met:  It is not with the intention of lust. "
1417544;1456679402;mircea_popescu;so... not even! subscribe and we'll give you one free cow!
1417545;1456679431;asciilifeform;'while supplies last!'
1417546;1456679437;mircea_popescu;quite.
1417547;1456679450;mircea_popescu;but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,
1417548;1456679465;mircea_popescu;lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.
1417549;1456679478;asciilifeform;sop.
1417550;1456679516;mircea_popescu;(unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)
1417551;1456679540;asciilifeform;this works as well on ancient texts as on microshit
1417552;1456679545;mircea_popescu;not on all.
1417553;1456679551;mircea_popescu;augustus is as readable as ever.
1417554;1456679570;asciilifeform;naturally not on all. only the psychiatrically-inspired ones.
1417555;1456679570;mircea_popescu;or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.
1417556;1456679605;phf;ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all
1417557;1456679619;asciilifeform;phf has it.
1417558;1456679634;mircea_popescu;sounds pretty good.
1417559;1456679638;phf;we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
1417560;1456679656;asciilifeform;the tricky bit is that for a while you end up with 2 routines that do (nominally) same thing
1417561;1456679659;asciilifeform;but are uncoupled.
1417562;1456679663;asciilifeform;hell on wheels.
1417563;1456679733;phf;well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
1417564;1456679740;phf;but yeah, much duplicate
1417565;1456679978;phf;re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides
1417566;1456680007;mircea_popescu;phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?
1417567;1456680020;asciilifeform;phf: i'd go for whichever ~weighs less~ (and not in the idiot scheme community metric of 'the language weighs less') but THE AGGREGATE
1417568;1456680300;asciilifeform;'DoJ is required to cloak NSA-CIA capabilities by pretending full sharing does not take place. Redacted and excluded filings and decisions by DoJ, district, appeal, SCOTUS and FISA courts along with open and classified executive orders by and POTUS, and best of all, classified contracts, implements this. ... Going to court melodramatizes and sanitizes the bung-holing (like USG  v. Apple) with in camera, withholding, stonewalli
1417569;1456680300;asciilifeform;ng and denying.' << mega-l0l
1417570;1456680368;mircea_popescu;lol
1417571;1456680376;mircea_popescu;in other similar news, from the piece you linked,
1417572;1456680397;mircea_popescu;The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors.  The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education
1417573;1456680408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00057916 = 6.5156 BTC [+]
1417574;1456680413;asciilifeform;aha.
1417575;1456680438;asciilifeform;mr mold, if this was not clear, was playing hofstadter's word-swap game.
1417576;1456680448;mircea_popescu;yeah, and the result is actually not bad.
1417577;1456680457;asciilifeform;quite.
1417578;1456680464;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this.
1417579;1456680490;mircea_popescu;there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.
1417580;1456680501;mircea_popescu;after all, no physch writes up disease in patient terms.
1417581;1456680533;*;asciilifeform has followed this dictum since forever.
1417582;1456680559;mircea_popescu;in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"
1417583;1456680637;mircea_popescu;of course, for some reason he calls it navrozov's
1417584;1456680661;asciilifeform;briefly revisiting john young's thing on cpunks, 'full sharing' does not ~always~ take place. the lizards don't give a flying fuck re: a dead snackbar.
1417585;1456680684;asciilifeform;glass cannons are fired when merited, e.g., 'silk road'.
1417586;1456680689;mircea_popescu;aha.
1417587;1456680724;mircea_popescu;"The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."
1417588;1456680767;*;asciilifeform bbl, food
1417589;1456680889;phf;mircea_popescu: what would be a higher level here?
1417590;1456680907;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea.
1417591;1456680912;mircea_popescu;but ignorance is scarce defense.
1417592;1456680939;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes
1417593;1456680963;phf;to some extent init.scm is like a v patchset, functions referencing functions, which is in turn a popularity contest, except not directly supported by wot
1417594;1456680979;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.
1417595;1456680992;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aha
1417596;1456681002;mircea_popescu;phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?
1417597;1456681059;mircea_popescu;"Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.
1417598;1456681080;BingoBoingo;"minority groups" likely transforms on its context to "political patrons" "loyal mobs" and "select demographics"
1417599;1456681119;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.
1417600;1456681134;mircea_popescu;and of course never is the gamble discussed, or the mechanism for that matter.
1417601;1456681160;mircea_popescu;afair hofstadter doesn't, at leasty.
1417602;1456681355;ben_vulpes;phf: ah! serialization.
1417603;1456681377;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris
1417604;1456681445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25945 @ 0.00057982 = 15.0434 BTC [+]
1417605;1456681533;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417563 << right, good point. what other commands aren't candidates for porting?
1417606;1456681533;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 17:15:33; phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
1417607;1456681774;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417448 << btcfs, btcos, btclisp...
1417608;1456681774;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 16:37:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417383 << the real boojum is, shiva is EXACTLY the kind of scenario which produces ~atrocious~ lisps
1417609;1456682039;phf;ben_vulpes: i meant original can be nuked
1417610;1456682094;ben_vulpes;oh i see
1417611;1456682144;mircea_popescu;btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
1417612;1456682421;phf;"I’m a Former Green Beret and Here’s How I Would Bring Down Bitcoin" wtf
1417613;1456682444;phf;i think that was in logs, but i just parsed that header
1417614;1456682785;BingoBoingo;phf: The content was basically remedial destructive social engineering
1417615;1456682935;mircea_popescu;twas
1417616;1456682970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13887 @ 0.00058074 = 8.0647 BTC [+] {3} 
1417617;1456684251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.0005808 = 39.5525 BTC [+] {2} 
1417618;1456684617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67902 @ 0.00058334 = 39.61 BTC [+] {2} 
1417619;1456685349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00059254 = 25.0052 BTC [+] {2} 
1417620;1456686325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41160 @ 0.00058777 = 24.1926 BTC [-] {2} 
1417621;1456687519;phf;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#L373
1417622;1456687521;assbot;phf-shiva-swank ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPKWCp )
1417623;1456688582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00058777 = 7.3471 BTC [-]
1417624;1456689192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00058777 = 22.0414 BTC [-]
1417625;1456689924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00058747 = 47.9963 BTC [-] {3} 
1417626;1456690407;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/fullthrottle/
1417627;1456690408;assbot;Full Throttle ... ( http://bit.ly/1WRI2vf )
1417628;1456690771;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417611 << nfi
1417629;1456690771;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 17:55:44; mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
1417630;1456690778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75743 @ 0.00058665 = 44.4346 BTC [-] {3} 
1417631;1456690830;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417621 << this is spiffy but why did you have to put getunixtime as a primop??!!
1417632;1456690830;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 19:25:19; phf: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank#L373
1417633;1456690847;asciilifeform;there are only so many empty primop slots
1417634;1456690858;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1417635;1456690891;asciilifeform;could've lived happily as an ordinary routine.
1417636;1456691510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54157 @ 0.00058593 = 31.7322 BTC [-] {2} 
1417637;1456692347;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not convinced yet one way or another. "ordinary routine" in tinyscheme is considered to be a crossboundary ffi, and is only enabled when building non-standalone
1417638;1456692535;kakobrekla;o hey http://classic-cloud.net
1417639;1456692536;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QngMkd )
1417640;1456692549;phf;i was thinking that get-unix-time is a language feature, that's bedrock (i.e. being able to query wallclock), and can be used to build other abstractions on time, right now used for timing, but should be used as base for get-universal-time/decode-universal-time/get-decoded-time
1417641;1456692561;phf;*on top
1417642;1456692645;kakobrekla;redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
1417643;1456692663;shinohai;hue
1417644;1456693035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45569 @ 0.00058559 = 26.6848 BTC [-]
1417645;1456693096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3186 @ 0.00058022 = 1.8486 BTC [-]
1417646;1456693632;BingoBoingo;!up botneko-chan
1417647;1456693636;BingoBoingo;hello
1417648;1456693652;botneko-chan;Hi
1417649;1456693767;BingoBoingo;What brings you around these parts today?
1417650;1456693776;BingoBoingo;!up pizzaman1337
1417651;1456693971;botneko-chan;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts
1417652;1456693971;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
1417653;1456693984;botneko-chan;is that guy here?
1417654;1456693994;mircea_popescu;what guy
1417655;1456694003;botneko-chan;kakobrekla
1417656;1456694008;mircea_popescu;yeah, he is.
1417657;1456694043;botneko-chan;What's his nickname?
1417658;1456694047;mircea_popescu;...
1417659;1456694049;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol
1417660;1456694079;botneko-chan;Don't see him online
1417661;1456694094;mircea_popescu;i guess your irc is broken.
1417662;1456694116;mircea_popescu;;;seen kakobrekla
1417663;1456694126;botneko-chan;Maybe, I'm using web irc
1417664;1456694133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81367 @ 0.00058022 = 47.2108 BTC [-] {2} 
1417665;1456694134;mircea_popescu;apparently, gribble also broken
1417666;1456694143;gribble;kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 minutes and 32 seconds ago:  redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
1417667;1456694309;kakobrekla;oh what a turmoil in b-a
1417668;1456694342;kakobrekla;botneko-chan are you ddosing f2pool?
1417669;1456694352;botneko-chan;not
1417670;1456694360;botneko-chan;but I'm ddosing classic nodes
1417671;1456694376;botneko-chan;can ddos pool too for $
1417672;1456694404;kakobrekla;am i think or whats the point of ddosing nodes, its the blocks that count.
1417673;1456694425;botneko-chan;Will be ddosing pools after some time
1417674;1456694434;mircea_popescu;botneko-chan suppose you get yourself a key, get in the wot.
1417675;1456694489;botneko-chan;what does "wot" mean? I'm non-native speeker
1417676;1456694498;mircea_popescu;web of trust.
1417677;1456694530;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1417678;1456694531;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJ1vR )
1417679;1456694646;botneko-chan;kakobrekla do you want to pay for pool ddos? We can talk privately, my xmpp adress is ddosservice@sj.ms
1417680;1456694715;kakobrekla;we can talk about that but we can do it on irc and its advised to get in the wot first or else i wont know who im talking to soon
1417681;1456694727;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/51ed62e8e314a2ff1bcd13939c97b495/tumblr_mo98qd6baF1qlne6uo1_400.gif
1417682;1456694731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rdmt4b )
1417683;1456694743;*;BingoBoingo wonders if this is the cool kind of DDoS with angle grinders, kerosense, and thermite or the boring kind with packets
1417684;1456694744;asciilifeform;l0l megastarfish
1417685;1456694752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform competence exists in all fields.
1417686;1456694785;asciilifeform;quite!
1417687;1456694804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00058022 = 29.2431 BTC [-]
1417688;1456694909;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/eaoBeWc.png
1417689;1456694910;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LonYzE )
1417690;1456695546;BingoBoingo;!up botneko-chan
1417691;1456696756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21873 @ 0.00058544 = 12.8053 BTC [+] {3} 
1417692;1456696878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00058618 = 26.3195 BTC [+] {5} 
1417693;1456698241;asciilifeform;phun phakt: 'libreboot' won't  build without 'unifont'
1417694;1456698246;asciilifeform;a GRUB2 TURD
1417695;1456698251;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKERS
1417696;1456698272;asciilifeform;whole project is a sad joke
1417697;1456698278;asciilifeform;and i'm the only one, it seems, who knows this?
1417698;1456698281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32065 @ 0.00058022 = 18.6048 BTC [-] {2} 
1417699;1456698321;asciilifeform;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2014-09/msg00002.html << folks complained in 2014, latest ver STILL DOES
1417700;1456698322;assbot;[bug #43188] Allow headless 'coreboot' builds without unifont/freetype ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVKrEu )
1417701;1456698342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28285 @ 0.00058001 = 16.4056 BTC [-] {2} 
1417702;1456698403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113168 @ 0.00058617 = 66.3357 BTC [+] {3} 
1417703;1456698423;asciilifeform;!s grub2
1417704;1456698424;assbot;16 results for 'grub2' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=grub2
1417705;1456698427;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1417706;1456698464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84532 @ 0.00059406 = 50.2171 BTC [+] {5} 
1417707;1456698583;ben_vulpes;neat phf
1417708;1456699405;mats;libreboot doesn't exclude turds as part of its philosophy iirc
1417709;1456699452;BingoBoingo;More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license
1417710;1456699624;phf;rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution
1417711;1456699771;phf;("wrecking")
1417712;1456699806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49845 @ 0.00059492 = 29.6538 BTC [+] {3} 
1417713;1456699989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00058398 = 31.1845 BTC [-] {2} 
1417714;1456700087;asciilifeform;phf: aha, he had a rather odd reaction when confronted with the libnss thing back in the day
1417715;1456700099;asciilifeform;how do you tell a man that he's munchausen's horse ?
1417716;1456700127;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Gottfried_Franz_-_Munchhausen_with_a_half-horse.jpg << that one.
1417717;1456700136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oHYTFt )
1417718;1456700162;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Bodenwerder-M%C3%BCnchhausen-Denkmal.jpg << there apparently exist a multitude of pics of it
1417719;1456700164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oHYS4D )
1417720;1456700735;BingoBoingo;!up dLVcJF3D
1417721;1456701026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00058398 = 14.5119 BTC [-] {2} 
1417722;1456701059;mircea_popescu;phf whart do you mean not technical solution ?
1417723;1456702234;phf;it's not clear to me how to enforce it without human in the loop. a monkey can enforce gpl, but it takes thinking human in the loop to identify a wrecker code
1417724;1456702320;mircea_popescu;well, if there is wrecker code there's probably a systematic problem at work
1417725;1456702346;mircea_popescu;imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.
1417726;1456702358;mircea_popescu;put a wot in there, give up on the idea that people are fungible, problem goes away.
1417727;1456702544;mircea_popescu;i suppose this would still be a human as opposed to "technical" problem.
1417728;1456702548;phf;but those are all social solutions.
1417729;1456702558;mircea_popescu;but on thinking about it, i guess in the end i disagree there even could be such a thing as a technical problem.
1417730;1456702594;mircea_popescu;not that the abstract notion isn't tempting. but i fear it may well be one of those, dwim things.
1417731;1456702601;kakobrekla;!rate botneko-chan 1 on the right side of the fight
1417732;1456702601;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/57e4c0af6e1136cc
1417733;1456702617;asciilifeform;a 'technical problem' is simply shorthand for problem where the solution is extremely well-defined. e.g., wire is broken, does not conduct, telegraph does not go. solution is technical - mend wire.
1417734;1456702618;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did you verify he's actually doing anything ?
1417735;1456702625;kakobrekla;yes
1417736;1456702634;kakobrekla;!v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.botneko-chan.1:372fe5c6cd69890f7a019e85895ee222c172f71dbea35edc85cca5a1a845d1fc
1417737;1456702634;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for botneko-chan with note: on the right side of the fight
1417738;1456702640;mircea_popescu;botneko-chan post an addy, i'll send you some on the strength of his word.
1417739;1456702646;asciilifeform;since when do we particularly need to ddos anybody..?
1417740;1456702653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "wire is broken because it's in the path of foxes to chicken coop" ?
1417741;1456702654;asciilifeform;am i thick?
1417742;1456702679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we don't. but i'm giving moneyz to girls that go topless. why not to guys that live on own two feet ?
1417743;1456702680;phf;well, technical solution to social problem is the one where you get a social system running, come back in 30 years, the expected output is still present, even if perhaps diminished
1417744;1456702695;mircea_popescu;at least this fellow i won't have to persuade about the benefits of you know, getting the fuck out of the us.
1417745;1456702698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think ddosers live on six feet.
1417746;1456702721;mircea_popescu;heh howssat ?
1417747;1456702751;asciilifeform;like all insecta
1417748;1456702752;mircea_popescu;phf wherein the dtime and dresult are a measurement of the idiocy of the people involved.
1417749;1456702767;mircea_popescu;ie, if they're dumb as rocks, no variance in result.
1417750;1456702952;phf;right, but that's a feature
1417751;1456703029;botneko-chan;1FVmpGHMPqQDvRFFuDSJj9xBsB3WS4QjD  :)
1417752;1456703076;botneko-chan;I'll keep ddosing classic for month and also going to try ddos pool mining it
1417753;1456703100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34363 @ 0.00058692 = 20.1683 BTC [+] {3} 
1417754;1456703251;mircea_popescu;eh, relax an' have fun.
1417755;1456703278;botneko-chan;Thanks :)
1417756;1456703326;botneko-chan;Lol I'm hhaving. Actually I more love fun from ddos, money is a good bonus
1417757;1456703373;punkman;botneko-chan: was anyone else paying for ddos on nodes/pools?
1417758;1456703419;botneko-chan;There's one man ordered ddos
1417759;1456703453;botneko-chan;I don't know who, actually I'm working with another guy that talks with clients
1417760;1456703484;punkman;cool
1417761;1456703489;botneko-chan;Even if I would I wouldn't say, client must remain anonymous
1417762;1456703653;punkman;hey now there's an answer for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374471
1417763;1456703653;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 17:05:27; DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
1417764;1456703688;punkman;except no need for "plans"
1417765;1456703909;botneko-chan;currently no
1417766;1456704025;botneko-chan;The main principle of cool ddos is: you give $ for bandwith and $ for us and we have fun all month
1417767;1456704071;mircea_popescu;botneko-chan anyway, prolly should read the logs.
1417768;1456704131;botneko-chan;Who (or what?) is prolly?
1417769;1456704144;mircea_popescu;probably, shortened.
1417770;1456704176;kakobrekla;as far as we discussed he understands the blockchain size problems or the lack of there of.
1417771;1456704201;botneko-chan;ah, ok. I'm non native speaker, shortened eng sometimes hard for me
1417772;1456704219;mircea_popescu;just in general speaking.
1417773;1456704272;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/02/foscam-internet-of-shit-seekoority-camera-phones-home-peers-with-other-cameras/
1417774;1456704273;assbot;Foscam Internet Of Shit "Seekoority" Camera Phones Home, Peers With Other Cameras | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qej0ok )
1417775;1456704332;botneko-chan;yay
1417776;1456704339;botneko-chan;like internet of shit so much
1417777;1456704343;BingoBoingo;ty
1417778;1456704379;botneko-chan;have botnet of routers more than 2 times bigger than Core's network
1417779;1456704442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00058232 = 10.0741 BTC [-]
1417780;1456704446;asciilifeform;!up adlai
1417781;1456704556;punkman;is anyone making smart-tv/fridge/microwave botnets yet?
1417782;1456704630;kakobrekla;add wifi laundry washing machines to the list.
1417783;1456704640;botneko-chan;These aren't so widespread
1417784;1456704648;BingoBoingo;Yet
1417785;1456704656;botneko-chan;yep
1417786;1456704661;punkman;pretty sure this was in the logs, but couldn't find it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337
1417787;1456704662;assbot;Russia: Hidden chips 'launch spam attacks from irons' - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QejMS2 )
1417788;1456704807;mircea_popescu;lol. FLATTENED BY IRONING IRONS!
1417789;1456704811;mircea_popescu;oh the irony.
1417790;1456704818;adlai;good morning #b-a
1417791;1456704828;asciilifeform;punkman: ancient news
1417792;1456704831;asciilifeform;the teapot case.
1417793;1456705059;asciilifeform;some electric tea kettles were found to be 50g overweight each at customs.
1417794;1456705068;asciilifeform;spamatron, searched for open 802.11.
1417795;1456705334;asciilifeform;!up molz
1417796;1456705369;botneko-chan;they banned me on /r/Bitcoin_Classic
1417797;1456705376;botneko-chan;booooring
1417798;1456705383;molz;asciilifeform: thanks :)
1417799;1456705418;asciilifeform;molz: and who might you be ?
1417800;1456705423;botneko-chan;ant then they say that there is no censorship on classic/xt while core is censored
1417801;1456705435;molz;asciilifeform: a bitcoin fan
1417802;1456705448;molz;what's this channel about?
1417803;1456705618;asciilifeform;molz: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
1417804;1456705618;assbot;start [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3HRP6 )
1417805;1456705692;punkman;this month's cellar pick: https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6171/6179728104_4e701c0f30_b.jpg
1417806;1456705694;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T3HVyo )
1417807;1456705709;punkman;get it before the venezuelans burn it all down
1417808;1456705711;mircea_popescu;molz ideally, read the logs.
1417809;1456705728;molz;mircea_popescu: very interesting, love it
1417810;1456705832;kakobrekla;fast reader
1417811;1456705869;molz;are you guys on bitcoin core slack?
1417812;1456705888;mircea_popescu;!s trb
1417813;1456705889;assbot;516 results for 'trb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trb
1417814;1456707986;mod6;ben_vulpes: re shiva, cool that you're getting into that!
1417815;1456708046;mod6;asciilifeform: re yesterday (line 47) of some version of the V99997 build script.... I took a look at the one that was deedbot'd and that line was correct.
1417816;1456708058;mod6;i dunno where that other version came from.
1417817;1456708086;mod6;i'll dig it up, but none the less, everyone should be using v99995 now
1417818;1456708103;mod6;thanks to whomever updated the wiki
1417819;1456708173;mod6;anyway, here is the deedbotted v99997K (http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh)  -- but this is obsolete.  DO NOT USE.
1417820;1456708176;mircea_popescu;how was teh vacation mod6 ?
1417821;1456708205;mod6;nice :]
1417822;1456708221;mod6;really quite helpful to just relax for a couple of days.
1417823;1456708263;mod6;shinohai: cool! maybe take a backup at somepoint before you get to 100% so incase of power-cycle you won't have to start over from genesis.
1417824;1456708283;mod6;mircea_popescu: how's everything been around here
1417825;1456708285;mod6;?
1417826;1456708296;mircea_popescu;pretty good, actually.
1417827;1456708317;mod6;good deal.
1417828;1456708319;mod6;;;ticker
1417829;1456708320;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.69, Best ask: 435.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.69, 24 hour volume: 16224.04349694, 24 hour low: 422.1, 24 hour high: 437.89, 24 hour vwap: None
1417830;1456708346;mircea_popescu;heh you're even richer than when you left!
1417831;1456708356;mod6;haha.
1417832;1456708364;mod6;my favorite.
1417833;1456708375;mod6;;;bc,stats
1417834;1456708379;gribble;Current Blocks: 400471 | Current Difficulty: 1.6349165490895926E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 401183 | Next Difficulty In: 712 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1417835;1456708396;mod6;it's been weird to even be afk for 24 hours.
1417836;1456708590;mircea_popescu;breaks do a body good.
1417837;1456708661;mircea_popescu;and in other pre-porn news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2b8e16a7eb6146a88171856b7b971dbd/tumblr_mniti61WFw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
1417838;1456708662;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OGxhG4 )
1417839;1456708737;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> breaks do a body good. << yeah for sure.  and i think it totally helps to step back and see the entire forest through the trees.
1417840;1456708796;mod6;in scheme news, i learned how to read a file and print it out the screen. lol
1417841;1456708853;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417559 << we're gonna need a whole lot of procedures. I'm excited to see all of your submissions.
1417842;1456708853;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 17:13:58; phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
1417843;1456709383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00058001 = 23.2004 BTC [-]
1417844;1456710863;mod6;i'll check back in later all!  <3
1417845;1456711897;punkman;http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/02/22/dripping-blood-a-severed-arm-67-tons-of-cash-on-a-cia-plane/
1417846;1456711899;assbot;Dripping blood, a severed arm, & 67 tons of cash on a CIA plane | MadCowNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU07d5 )
1417847;1456713300;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1417816 << now i ~really~ would like to know where hdbuck got it.
1417848;1456713300;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 01:07:38; mod6: i dunno where that other version came from.
1417849;1456713316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does readelf ever run the elf ?!
1417850;1456713330;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, why?!
1417851;1456713340;asciilifeform;not as printed on the box, at least!
1417852;1456713342;mircea_popescu;because weird reports from guy re eulora lol.
1417853;1456713352;asciilifeform;let's have it ?
1417854;1456713359;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-29.log.html#t02:33:25
1417855;1456713360;assbot;#Eulora log for Monday, 2016-02-29 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU2axZ )
1417856;1456713366;mircea_popescu;i never heard of such thing in lyfe.
1417857;1456713374;asciilifeform;oh for fucks sake
1417858;1456713376;asciilifeform;the highlight.
1417859;1456713382;mircea_popescu;what ?
1417860;1456713391;asciilifeform;nm, found with manual grep
1417861;1456713394;asciilifeform;HIGHLIGHTING DOES NOT WORK
1417862;1456713397;mircea_popescu;dun tell me THIS doesn't work either
1417863;1456713401;mircea_popescu;oh come on.
1417864;1456713404;asciilifeform;nope.
1417865;1456713407;pete_dushenski;"danielpbarron:  It autocompletes ./euclient" << top line on my box
1417866;1456713421;mircea_popescu;a href="#t00:21:04" class="time">00:21 << your browser is VERY broken
1417867;1456713465;asciilifeform;srsly i have six boxes here with 6 browsers and not one.
1417868;1456713487;mircea_popescu;i don't care. if it doesn't select correctly on a href anchor it's so broken it wouldn't qualify as a browser in 1995.
1417869;1456713491;asciilifeform;but at any rate, if indeed 'readelf opened the game', this is a discovery and ought to be reproduced.
1417870;1456713504;mircea_popescu;yeah but dun work here.
1417871;1456713518;mircea_popescu;course i'm not installing fucking zorin or w/e the thing is called
1417872;1456713524;asciilifeform;wtf even is that
1417873;1456713535;mircea_popescu;"ubuntu more like windows"
1417874;1456713546;asciilifeform;try and at least persuade him to post his readelf binary.
1417875;1456713562;mircea_popescu;a yeah
1417876;1456713800;pete_dushenski;fwiw b-a logs always and everywhere seem to link correctly. maybe eulora logs need some of that kako magic pixie dust ?
1417877;1456713878;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417045 << weird. this works.
1417878;1456713878;assbot;Logged on 28-02-2016 00:05:52; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes and everyone else into supercute de-windows-ization : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19
1417879;1456714044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: say at least where you actually saw the highlight thing ~work~
1417880;1456714076;pete_dushenski;it works on archive.is, does it not ?
1417881;1456714078;asciilifeform;(on what wwwtrons)
1417882;1456714112;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing
1417883;1456714130;pete_dushenski;as it is on trilema iirc
1417884;1456714143;asciilifeform;same one ?
1417885;1456714145;asciilifeform;bitwise ?
1417886;1456714160;pete_dushenski;^ mircea_popescu
1417887;1456714269;*;pete_dushenski doesn't know, wasn't there.
1417888;1456714348;pete_dushenski;"SSD UBER rates are higher than disk rates, which means that backing up SSDs is even more important than it is with disks. The SSD is less likely to fail during its normal life, but more likely to lose data." << from punkman's link.
1417889;1456714449;asciilifeform;soooo in other nyooz,
1417890;1456714462;asciilifeform;i recently built what i believe is an exact replica of rms's laptop
1417891;1456714477;asciilifeform;'thinkpad x60' with libreboot and replacement ('atheros') nic
1417892;1456714480;asciilifeform;it is unusable.
1417893;1456714489;asciilifeform;cpu overheats when building gentoo.
1417894;1456714521;asciilifeform;almost certainly because the compatibility was a bold-faced lie, and the cpu 'frequency scaling' thing doesn't work.
1417895;1456714530;asciilifeform;(explicitly admitted to in the docs, but somehow 'this doesn't matter')
1417896;1456714611;BingoBoingo;Is the heatsink appropriately copper colored or is it laminated with tar?
1417897;1456714623;asciilifeform;solid cu.
1417898;1456714635;asciilifeform;and, again, this is not something that happens normally.
1417899;1456714640;BingoBoingo;ah
1417900;1456714696;pete_dushenski;http://www.rbc.ru/business/12/09/2015/55f41c069a79470d63db37df
1417901;1456714698;assbot;Автор теории «черного лебедя» назвал причины для инвестиций в Россию :: Бизнес :: РБК ... ( http://bit.ly/1XU46GH )
1417902;1456714772;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: is rms hawking these turds himself ? cui bono from this misdirection ?
1417903;1456714781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: i suspect that it is a js thing << look at the page source. no js, just a href anchors.
1417904;1456714800;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process
1417905;1456714804;asciilifeform;i am no longer sure that this is true.
1417906;1456714823;pete_dushenski;perhaps so eh
1417907;1456715524;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Perhaps he has become a lichen as he aged. Half man half malassezia since the toe jam incident.
1417908;1456716229;punkman;are there any alt-RMSes?
1417909;1456716323;asciilifeform;wtf would that even mean ?
1417910;1456716562;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: when confronted with the idea that his life's work is an utter failure, man tends to wander into some very peculiar corners.
1417911;1456716642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0005826 = 2.2139 BTC [+]
1417912;1456716802;punkman;asciilifeform: wtf would that even mean ? << other crazy fsf people that want to be rms
1417913;1456716814;pete_dushenski;in other cultural news, http://archive.is/ZxUaw
1417914;1456716815;assbot;Jean-Marie Le Pen on Twitter: "Si j’étais américain, je voterais Donald TRUMP… Mais que Dieu le protège !" ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMgzuD )
1417915;1456716829;asciilifeform;punkman: you cannot 'be rms' without the history
1417916;1456716832;asciilifeform;it is pretty much all he has.
1417917;1456716922;asciilifeform;https://www.mail-archive.com/trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info/msg46322.html << aaaaaaaand apparently i am not the only one to notice.
1417918;1456716924;assbot;[Trisquel-users] X60 Libreboot Trisquel 7 Overheating ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMgF5y )
1417919;1456716932;punkman;what, the history of "utter failure"
1417920;1456716957;asciilifeform;punkman: the history of emacs and gcc
1417921;1456716966;asciilifeform;and the miscellaneous (e.g., ai lab) legends.
1417922;1456716968;asciilifeform;etc.
1417923;1456717789;mircea_popescu;!up DicePower
1417924;1456717797;mircea_popescu;you can voice yourself by pm-ing !v to assbot
1417925;1456717821;DicePower;Ahh okay, thought I had to decode that hash thing.
1417926;1456717828;DicePower;(which didn't work for some reason)
1417927;1456717835;mircea_popescu;you will, yes.
1417928;1456718141;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/bejaranodelgado/status/589634676093943808 << cargocult idiots.
1417929;1456718147;asciilifeform;flea as in fleadom.
1417930;1456718234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you use tghe wifi ?
1417931;1456718264;asciilifeform;i threw the intel wifi in the trash and installed atheros.
1417932;1456718268;asciilifeform;but yes, i use it.
1417933;1456718284;asciilifeform;its a motherfucking laptop.
1417934;1456718293;mircea_popescu;ah right
1417935;1456718329;asciilifeform;and i own an ir thermometer.
1417936;1456718332;asciilifeform;and fucking hate idiots.
1417937;1456718370;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm thick, but...
1417938;1456718503;asciilifeform;the original card heats, yes. new - no.
1417939;1456718515;mircea_popescu;ah
1417940;1456718541;asciilifeform;plus there is apparently no remnant of doubt that coreboot (aka linuxbios) does not properly handle the variable cpu clock thing, nor the fan controller
1417941;1456718546;asciilifeform;and people just live with this.
1417942;1456718818;asciilifeform;phun phakt, the x60's original bios has 'computrace' infection, though this is mentioned nowhere in the docs, nor in the original 'bios setup' (normally, they do.)
1417943;1456718869;phf;most of the time i spent setting up linux on macbook pro was tracing and eliminating overheating problems
1417944;1456718879;asciilifeform;eliminated how ?
1417945;1456718963;phf;cargoculting /proc and disabling almost everything. on mbp issue is mostly with discrete ATI card
1417946;1456718983;asciilifeform;'almost everything' being, e.g., what ?
1417947;1456719015;mircea_popescu;what's cargoculting ?
1417948;1456719047;phf;ati card, bus that it sits on, wifi, sd card slot, firewire slot, hdmi, bus that those sit on
1417949;1456719070;asciilifeform;phf: what is even the point? why not throw whole thing in the trash ?
1417950;1456719077;asciilifeform;what is the use of the box without these parts ?
1417951;1456719079;phf;manually forcing cpu to run in save as much battery mode
1417952;1456719085;asciilifeform;ick
1417953;1456719088;asciilifeform;go and gentoo on that.
1417954;1456719093;asciilifeform;what rubbish.
1417955;1456719106;phf;well, that's why i'm back on mac os x in defeat
1417956;1456719142;phf;i gave up because integrated intel card and ati card combination required some fancy grub PEEK/POKE combination, and i didn't want to do grub
1417957;1456719143;asciilifeform;i would have said 'there is a less atrocious machine, the legendary x60' but now i WON'T ...
1417958;1456719188;phf;oddly enough doing that same PEEK/POKE after the linux framebuffer kicked in would blankscreen the machine.
1417959;1456719213;asciilifeform;dual gpu boxes will never work, don't even bother.
1417960;1456719291;phf;i'd probably persevere but it was interfering with my work, only so much you can do with cli emacs, without a proper browser
1417961;1456719364;phf;mircea_popescu: extreme case of "tom knight and the lisp machine", doing things with no understanding hoping to produce desired effect
1417962;1456719365;asciilifeform;at some point (not any time soon, i've elementarily no time) i will replace the thermal paste in the x60 with industrial diamond
1417963;1456719369;asciilifeform;it often helps.
1417964;1456719374;asciilifeform;but srsly wtf.
1417965;1456719482;phf;i have a borrowed carbon x1 that i'm hoping to make use of. guy was running ubuntu on it, and clean slackware install at the very least doesn't exhibit particularly aberrant behaviors
1417966;1456719531;phf;but the whole exercise feels a bit hair shirt
1417967;1456719607;asciilifeform;i draw the line at 'randomly crashes during compiles'
1417968;1456719613;asciilifeform;this is not tolerable.
1417969;1456719615;phf;maybe i can get away with running 10.9 for the next five years at which point b-a will have its own scheme-81 clean room, yeah?
1417970;1456719745;asciilifeform;woah that thing runs at 80c.
1417971;1456719755;asciilifeform;(at 50% cpu utilization)
1417972;1456719758;phf;well, yeah, all those hoops i jumped through, compiling anything non-trivial would kick in fans at 60000
1417973;1456719766;asciilifeform;at least your fans ~work~
1417974;1456719782;phf;ahaha
1417975;1456719783;phf;i see
1417976;1456719786;asciilifeform;libreboot just sort of runs it at mid-rpm at all times.
1417977;1456719791;asciilifeform;and hopes for the best.
1417978;1456719806;asciilifeform;this immediately tells me something about the authors
1417979;1456719818;asciilifeform;namely, that they do not actually use linux (i.e. gentoo) on their boxes
1417980;1456719828;asciilifeform;or the idiocy would have become immediately apparent
1417981;1456719838;asciilifeform;as it dies in the first 20 min. of setup, during the very first compiles
1417982;1456719975;asciilifeform;l0l and randomly looking for this, found something that could be straight out of mircea_popescu's zoo,
1417983;1456719976;asciilifeform;https://www.aspiescentral.com/threads/hello.13236
1417984;1456719978;assbot;Hello | AspiesCentral.com ... ( http://bit.ly/215ej2U )
1417985;1456719991;asciilifeform;'My laptop is a Thinkpad x60 running the LibreBoot bios and Debian GNU/Linux, it overheats alot, especially when viewing Star Trek outtakes of Captain Picard. It survives though, even at 90 Celsius... It should die, but it's strong.'
1417986;1456720004;asciilifeform;'Basically I've accepted a life without physical friends, except family.'
1417987;1456720019;phf;ahaha
1417988;1456720058;pete_dushenski;https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7O7ia86qD_Y/VtJ2uau5siI/AAAAAAAAktI/pNIw6qWK0qQ/s640/lSWpaqG.jpg << kim jong furry
1417989;1456720059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/215eqf0 )
1417990;1456720293;asciilifeform;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9816994 << l0ltr0n
1417991;1456720294;assbot;MacOS is the new Windows | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPWiGv )
1417992;1456721340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3196 @ 0.00058001 = 1.8537 BTC [-]
1417993;1456721400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27204 @ 0.00057916 = 15.7555 BTC [-]
1417994;1456725038;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3df1b14e966c727a62ef37f7b04ab97f/tumblr_meo8gnZO971qcl6pmo1_1280.jpg
1417995;1456725040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/215mkFb )
1417996;1456725409;*;BingoBoingo relishes in that feeing of power that follows one's presence ending a turf war.
1417997;1456725516;BingoBoingo;the turf, one well lit front yard. The combatants a vocal orange neighborhood cat and a fox
1417998;1456725596;BingoBoingo;I go out front to see what the fuss is and the cat shoots out of the tree and under a car while the fox shoots off into a the park
1417999;1456725710;phf;BingoBoingo sets own yard on fire to settle a long running dispute between cat and fox in favor of man
1418000;1456725776;BingoBoingo;Nah, just smoke a cigarette and pissed on some bushes
1418001;1456725872;BingoBoingo;They gotta understand that when man can mark territory with their weight in piss it is man's world.
1418002;1456725922;phf;i'm always reminded of that movie where i guy was living among wolves, every morning he'd drink a lot of coffee and make rounds
1418003;1456726017;BingoBoingo;Well coffee helps when keeping up with all the rest of nature
1418004;1456726893;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWsxw8UMAAI2El.jpg:large
1418005;1456726894;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1pjL2pr )
1418006;1456726942;phf;that evokes images of a decisive cup, rationed coffee as a boost for man's will in harsh conditions. most of the coffee experience i'm surrounded with is not like that at all. office workers on a litre a day, hipsters with artisanal pourovers, three jobs just to keep up crowd on a dunken donuts extra large. not much keeping up with nature
1418007;1456726969;mircea_popescu;you should see the coffee here.
1418008;1456727042;BingoBoingo;Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?
1418009;1456727068;mircea_popescu;nah, i drink a pot of coffee in like a month
1418010;1456727086;phf;http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/04/t1larg.business.coffee.jpg
1418011;1456727087;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1pjLkwG )
1418012;1456727289;phf;i don't mind the idea, but, if you need this much coffee, why not just take amphetamines?
1418013;1456727509;BingoBoingo;phf: Because that would be bad for my sobriety
1418014;1456727604;phf;i thought aa mostly object to other substances only as much as they trigger alcohol abuse. unless you have a history of mixing alcohol and speed, there shouldn't be any crossover
1418015;1456727716;BingoBoingo;How would I know if I did have a history of that?
1418016;1456727748;phf;some good parties you go to
1418017;1456727857;phf;it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea
1418018;1456727887;BingoBoingo;Well, supposedly coffee is good for the liver
1418019;1456728023;phf;in a correlation/causation world of pop medicine here's ten things that you need to know about new use for an old drug that's all the rage
1418020;1456728099;BingoBoingo;Well, the mechanics make sense
1418021;1456728461;phf;so does any other arbitrary chain of biochemical events that some team somewhere decides to investigate. it's the mutual interaction of those events that makes the entire system not amenable to reasoning
1418022;1456728546;phf;throw in statistical ranges and often shoddy studies and you might as well go quoting ayurvedic doctors
1418023;1456728828;mircea_popescu;well nobody seriously wants to contemplate that hey, 19 haplogroups, 100+ subgroups each, subgroups of subgroups, and serious test of "is coffee good or bad" needs 1mn+ subjects
1418024;1456728880;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely bracing himself for discovery that tobacco essential for healthy, cca 2050 or so
1418025;1456729175;BingoBoingo;Well, grandpa did smoke into his late 60's to early 70's
1418026;1456729218;phf;from the study of dynamic systems, "researches put more wood on kindling, create big fire. more wood is good for fire!" "researches put more wood on massive fire, fire suffocates. less wood is good for fire!"
1418027;1456729580;*;BingoBoingo wonders what could be so harmful about drinking less coffee con a daily basis than I often did vodka
1418028;1456729686;mircea_popescu;!up b6
1418029;1456729794;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol so apparently r/btc moderator turned out to be con man, took donations to hash, kept donations since classic doomed anyway.
1418030;1456729810;*;BingoBoingo not surprised
1418031;1456729905;*;BingoBoingo not sure if news
1418032;1456729924;mircea_popescu;kinda so-so.
1418033;1456729935;mircea_popescu;notrly. more like a logline at best.
1418034;1456729940;phf;BingoBoingo: oh i wasn't saying it's harmful, i was saying that when coffee stops working, perhaps it's time to take amphetamines, since it's a cleaner and longer productive high. of course with a history of substance abuse of any kind it is perhaps not a good idea (same people who drink coffee by the litre, start eating amphetamines, etc.)
1418035;1456729960;phf;but i'm going to drop the subject, i'm being tedious and i need to pass out anyway
1418036;1456729966;mircea_popescu;phf amphetamines are not a good idea in any case.
1418037;1456729969;BingoBoingo;Eh, coffee still works
1418038;1456729982;mircea_popescu;contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
1418039;1456730007;b6;Oh my, i have voice
1418040;1456730014;mircea_popescu;so you do. who're you ?
1418041;1456730052;b6;Just someone interested in bitcoins, and related interests.
1418042;1456730057;mircea_popescu;aha.
1418043;1456730072;b6;Found you guys in a weird way, not gunna lie.
1418044;1456730084;b6;Through the most recent f2pool ddos, to be exact.
1418045;1456730157;ben_vulpes;how through a ddos did you get here?
1418046;1456730183;ben_vulpes;b6: ^^
1418047;1456730215;mircea_popescu;how through an english did you speak that
1418048;1456730301;b6;Icebreaker was claiming something about coming from La serenissima
1418049;1456730321;b6;Googled that, found MP's article, googles them, found this channel
1418050;1456730393;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: gutter cascadian lingo
1418051;1456730399;ben_vulpes;straight from the streets yo
1418052;1456730401;ben_vulpes;homie
1418053;1456730416;phf;all dat dank ass portland weed
1418054;1456730483;ben_vulpes;b6: what is an icebreaker?
1418055;1456730570;ben_vulpes;phf: i humbly bring lolz: http://www.everetthousehealingcenter.com/
1418056;1456730572;assbot;Everett House Healing Center ... ( http://bit.ly/21uRprj )
1418057;1456730701;b6;The guy on BTC-T claiming he shut down f2pool this week
1418058;1456730724;b6;In response to them allowing miners to use classic
1418059;1456731426;mircea_popescu;and what's btc-t ?
1418060;1456731473;mircea_popescu;anyway b6 make yourself a key get in teh wot.
1418061;1456732189;BingoBoingo;!up eth2
1418062;1456732201;eth2;ohai
1418063;1456732207;BingoBoingo;hai thur
1418064;1456732224;eth2;i guess you've had quite a lot of visitors today haha
1418065;1456732227;eth2;them logfiles
1418066;1456732264;BingoBoingo;it happens
1418067;1456737138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00057919 = 6.7765 BTC [+] {2} 
1418068;1456737565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49305 @ 0.00058034 = 28.6137 BTC [+]
1418069;1456737809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00058034 = 33.5727 BTC [+]
1418070;1456740920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54078 @ 0.00058165 = 31.4545 BTC [+] {3} 
1418071;1456740981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8622 @ 0.00058345 = 5.0305 BTC [+]
1418072;1456743726;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 698 @ 0.00261992 = 1.8287 BTC [-] {10} 
1418073;1456745861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00058301 = 11.7768 BTC [-]
1418074;1456745922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65016 @ 0.00058612 = 38.1072 BTC [+] {4} 
1418075;1456749826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25283 @ 0.00057919 = 14.6437 BTC [-] {2} 
1418076;1456750745;asciilifeform;'Even without adding D-Bus to the default runlevel it often will get started by D-Bus dependent services. This should explain why D-Bus mysteriously gets started even though it has not been added formally added to a system runlevel.'
1418077;1456750748;asciilifeform;(gentoo docs)
1418078;1456750755;asciilifeform;and apparently emacs will no longer build without it.
1418079;1456750874;asciilifeform;https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html << fascinating read
1418080;1456750877;assbot;Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8p6l )
1418081;1456750924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00058648 = 28.2097 BTC [+] {2} 
1418082;1456750947;asciilifeform;by the author of https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7558880.html#7558880
1418083;1456750949;assbot;Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8rv1 )
1418084;1456751595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11375 @ 0.0005892 = 6.7022 BTC [+] {4} 
1418085;1456752350;punkman;interesting stuff asciilifeform
1418086;1456752492;punkman;"basically, Grsecurity fixes what Linus leaves open and unprotected for whichever reason in the GNU/Linux kernel, and that seems to annoy the genius very much... It's a real though subdued war out there, and Grsecurity had a moment of mild failure for a few days, exactly after a major contribution by, wait, wait!... by the Dear Leader himself..."
1418087;1456752646;asciilifeform;http://www.croatiafidelis.hr << herr rovis himself.
1418088;1456752647;assbot;Udruga Croatia Fidelis ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ9drP )
1418089;1456752664;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ??
1418090;1456752753;asciilifeform;'Somebody seems to have been joking with portage, and not in a nice way (maybe  they aim at hurting the feelings of some pizza delivery guy, because that's  not illegal like hurting animals)... '
1418091;1456752793;asciilifeform;'Most of those are conditional dependencies (useflag ? ...), and I checked and  all of those with dbus ? sys-apps/dbus) have -dbus or  no dbus at all in the output of emerge -p. But if I try and check dependencies on those that do depend on dbus...:  ...it appears that if gtk+ with useflag X can't work without accessibility/at-spi2-atk ...'
1418092;1456752827;asciilifeform;'... why should, say, Emacs depend on dbus? '
1418093;1456752907;asciilifeform;'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui?  I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate  overlay...  I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
1418094;1456752937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171400 @ 0.0005796 = 99.3434 BTC [-] {6} 
1418095;1456752976;asciilifeform;gold from the commentz:
1418096;1456752980;asciilifeform;'Launching Tor Browser Bundle for Linux in /tmp/tor-browser_en-US  XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /tmp/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/libxul.so:  libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
1418097;1456752995;asciilifeform;^ 'tor browser' eats dbus
1418098;1456753124;asciilifeform;rovis reminds me more than ANYONE of dragos ruiu.
1418099;1456753144;asciilifeform;but there are really not so many folks soldiering on to keep the last usable linux quasi-alive.
1418100;1456753159;asciilifeform;'go to war with the army you have.'
1418101;1456753335;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418055 >>>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402410
1418102;1456753335;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 07:22:50; ben_vulpes: phf: i humbly bring lolz: http://www.everetthousehealingcenter.com/
1418103;1456753335;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2016 20:28:39; asciilifeform: or everett's solution !
1418104;1456753431;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418017 << there are devil knows how many people who would be on dope if they had any way of getting to it.
1418105;1456753431;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 06:37:37; phf: it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea
1418106;1456753537;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418038 << does mircea_popescu remember the sleep ad libitum thread ?
1418107;1456753537;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 07:13:02; mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
1418108;1456753559;asciilifeform;yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
1418109;1456753563;asciilifeform;than to take dope.
1418110;1456753571;asciilifeform;and works best on a dirigible, also.
1418111;1456753694;asciilifeform;caffeine etc. users are not typically faced with a mircea_popescutronic choice of 'should i dope or should i sleep how much i want and bathe in virgin tears.'  more often, it is a 'i WILL get 4 hrs. of sleep and there is nothing to be done about it. will it be 4 hr and then i fall asleep at my desk and get sacked or 4 hr of being reasonably awake.'
1418112;1456753703;asciilifeform;*4 hr and
1418113;1456753807;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005 << related thread.
1418114;1456753807;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1418115;1456753874;*;asciilifeform bbl
1418116;1456756487;trinque;wtf happened to freenode this weekend?
1418117;1456756518;trinque;deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
1418118;1456756526;trinque;switched to the chat.freenode.net rotation, joins.
1418119;1456756589;trinque;https://freenode.net/ << "Making freenode great again..." lolwut
1418120;1456756590;assbot;freenode - supporting free and open source communities since 1998! ... ( http://bit.ly/1T45tDn )
1418121;1456757088;PeterL;trinque: I wonder if we ever get gossipd to replace freenode, will we still have these sorts of connection problems?
1418122;1456757180;mircea_popescu;not globally.
1418123;1456758065;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418119 << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so.
1418124;1456758065;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 14:36:29; trinque: https://freenode.net/ << "Making freenode great again..." lolwut
1418125;1456758096;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, water infrastructure has decayed to the point nobody involved EVNE KNOWS you can't drink from lake then switch to river
1418126;1456758106;mircea_popescu;and new york has been failing to maintain it's nuclear power plants.
1418127;1456758130;mircea_popescu;think about it - by the time a nuclear plant starts crying out for lack of maintenance, how badly maintained was everything else ?
1418128;1456758134;mircea_popescu;and for how long ?
1418129;1456758162;PeterL;It wasn't clear in the story, is the nuclear problem in New York leaking into their water system and poisoning everybody?
1418130;1456758194;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418089 << how lol.
1418131;1456758194;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 13:31:04; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you get him in here somehow ??
1418132;1456758205;mircea_popescu;PeterL no, the water thing is re michigan.
1418133;1456758259;PeterL;yeah, I know about MI water, but NY is leaking into their river, are they taking river water into their drinking water?
1418134;1456758260;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla jurov either of you doing on the side the gfs of any croatian nazi leader doods ? that might know this guy ? lol.
1418135;1456758285;mircea_popescu;PeterL you are aware NOBODY KNOWS what ny water does, not anymore. shit in there that hasn't been touched in 50+ years.
1418136;1456758286;jurov;doing what?
1418137;1456758303;mircea_popescu;it's "unmaintainable" ie, unmaintained. once it goes, it goes. start trucking water bottles for 5mn people.
1418138;1456758319;mircea_popescu;jurov "doing on the side" means, fucking, as an extra, other than current relationship.
1418139;1456758328;jurov;there's a nzi leader in slovakia but im not doing his bfs
1418140;1456758337;PeterL;I guess my question is: where does NY city pull it's drinking water from? Is it at all connected to the Hudson River?
1418141;1456758362;mircea_popescu;i do not believe anyone alive today can answer this question cogently.
1418142;1456758405;PeterL;millions of people live in new york, and they all just assume somebody else is keeping their stuff running for them
1418143;1456758424;PeterL;world would be better off if they all get sick and die
1418144;1456758483;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418093 << accessibility , for the record, is another dns/ntp/font bs.
1418145;1456758483;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 13:35:07; asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui?  I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate  overlay...  I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
1418146;1456758491;thestringpuller;PeterL: prob why they used to make a lot of escape from new york movies.
1418147;1456758496;mircea_popescu;PeterL no argument there.
1418148;1456758564;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418097 << doh.
1418149;1456758564;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 13:36:35; asciilifeform: ^ 'tor browser' eats dbus
1418150;1456758604;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418108 << sfyl.
1418151;1456758604;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 13:45:59; asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
1418152;1456758664;thestringpuller;5k more blocks on node
1418153;1456758696;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418117 << they have to put in some emergency patches once people here have started blocking dns autoresolution.
1418154;1456758696;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 14:35:18; trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
1418155;1456758715;mircea_popescu;sorry, should have announced trilema article in advance for cia/nsa/blablabla.
1418156;1456758721;mircea_popescu;i must have misplaced my copy of the agreement.
1418157;1456758871;PeterL;in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014
1418158;1456760110;mircea_popescu;nb.
1418159;1456760927;deedbot-;[serialized delusions] Embedded Common Lisp for Eulora - http://explo.yt/post/2016/02/29/Embedded-Common-Lisp-for-Eulora
1418160;1456761061;jurov;;;later tell fghj ^
1418161;1456761062;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1418162;1456761075;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b1
1418163;1456761245;phf;i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired
1418164;1456761295;phf;of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers
1418165;1456761771;asciilifeform;not simply 'supports'.
1418166;1456761775;asciilifeform;pulls in.
1418167;1456761818;asciilifeform;i am seriously fucking pissed
1418168;1456761827;asciilifeform;because, among other things, i mistakenly blamed openbsd for this.
1418169;1456761855;phf;you mean in gentoo parlance? an emacs ebuild doesn't respect -dbus flag, and pulls it unconditionally?
1418170;1456761881;asciilifeform;aha.
1418171;1456762062;asciilifeform;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-08/msg00014.html << the rot goes way back.
1418172;1456762064;assbot;bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPVHwN )
1418173;1456762462;asciilifeform;http://changelog.complete.org/archives/9317-has-linux-lost-its-way-comments-prompt-a-debian-developer-to-revisit-freebsd-after-20-years << in other nyooz.
1418174;1456762464;assbot;“Has Linux lost its way?” comments prompt a Debian developer to revisit FreeBSD after 20 years | The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPWGNH )
1418175;1456762474;asciilifeform;well, oldz
1418176;1456762492;asciilifeform;or nm, i think this is in the logz.
1418177;1456762600;asciilifeform;http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616&start=60#p577538 << far more interesting.
1418178;1456762601;assbot;Debian User Forums • View topic - Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/24x4gZ4 )
1418179;1456762613;asciilifeform;^ moar rovis
1418180;1456762791;asciilifeform;;;google "emacs without dbus"
1418181;1456762791;gribble;Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: ; Re: Emacs insists on starting dbus? - Lists - GNU: ; bug#12112: 24.1.50; Starting emacs without dbus - Lists - GNU: 
1418182;1456763299;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b4
1418183;1456763953;phf;tuomo valkonen has been ranting about that stuff back in 2005 or so
1418184;1456763991;phf;"why is this freedesktop shit being compiled in with no way of disabling it"
1418185;1456764105;phf;his (and mine) pet peve at the time was mandatory freetype (i think that linux's dodgy hinting and antialiasing are worse then running it aliased and at the time i wanted bitmap fonts everywhere)
1418186;1456764215;phf;not to mention that freetype pulls in the whole dodgy freedesktop stack. why do i need 5 different libraries to support arabic ligatures?
1418187;1456764237;mircea_popescu;heh
1418188;1456764253;mircea_popescu;you don't understand universalism.
1418189;1456764287;mircea_popescu;the reasoning goes, that if arabs have no way of knowing they're arabs, such as for instance if the use of THEIR script happens transparently everywhere, then they won't be able to maintain a sense of nationality and consequently jena bush's tush will remain unmolested.
1418190;1456764352;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmpMO2dJQ6Q
1418191;1456764353;assbot;Barney - I Love You (Extended Play 15 times back-to-back!!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RfEi2m )
1418192;1456764355;phf;^
1418193;1456764389;mircea_popescu;this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4.
1418194;1456764428;mircea_popescu;but it also means you needn't worry about it - as a consumer, it'll just be done for you, automagically!
1418195;1456764466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45397 @ 0.00059164 = 26.8587 BTC [+] {2} 
1418196;1456764501;mircea_popescu;and to take the discussion up a coupla levels of abstraction : this is not a technical problem in any sense. in fact, the only thing that a classification of problems into technical and otherwise says is that ~the classifier~ is broken in the head.
1418197;1456764526;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, poorly socialised. still entertains the delusion that he'll make a nice woman out of marble and invent a lock that'll keep rats out of his granary.
1418198;1456764668;mircea_popescu;!up deupork
1418199;1456764932;asciilifeform;so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
1418200;1456765506;mircea_popescu;all he does is prepare conference slides. for 20+ yearsn ow
1418201;1456765571;asciilifeform;proving that it is eminently possible to be eaten alive by fungus ~without~ working directly for usg.
1418202;1456765583;asciilifeform;fungus is available to all.
1418203;1456765629;mircea_popescu;ie, old age ?
1418204;1456765653;asciilifeform;not only.
1418205;1456765665;asciilifeform;(rms was, what, 40, 20 yrs ago ?)
1418206;1456765723;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that he didn't really psychologically weather the hurd thing.
1418207;1456765749;mircea_popescu;what thng again ?
1418208;1456765771;asciilifeform;he had a thing that was supposed to be what linux was
1418209;1456765778;mircea_popescu;oh
1418210;1456765780;asciilifeform;called gnu hurd
1418211;1456765781;mircea_popescu;hm
1418212;1456765799;asciilifeform;for various reasons, rms et al were unable to produce a usable kernel.
1418213;1456765805;asciilifeform;then linus appeared, and did
1418214;1456765812;asciilifeform;and 'stole' the gnu userland, to go with it
1418215;1456765853;mircea_popescu;aha.
1418216;1456765866;mircea_popescu;various reasons = being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work
1418217;1456765896;mircea_popescu;he basically saw himself as a sort of jimbo wales. except forgot the part where tardpedia can contain anything, epistula non erubiscit, but the compiler doth complain.
1418218;1456765903;asciilifeform;as i recall, the original plan was to use some bsd variant
1418219;1456765910;mircea_popescu;and if a community vote is held to silence the complaints for racist and whatrever,
1418220;1456765912;asciilifeform;and rms wrote, later, that not doing this was a catastrophic mistake
1418221;1456765912;mircea_popescu;the system just hangs.
1418222;1456765931;asciilifeform;instead, he went with 'mach', which was owned by - iirc - CMU, and stuck in legal limbo
1418223;1456765940;asciilifeform;and while the latter hashed out, the project withered.
1418224;1456765965;asciilifeform;so no, this was not a pediwikian sort of catastrophe, but worse.
1418225;1456765967;mircea_popescu;environment not yet ripe for "fuck you - breaking the law by license!" alexandrine solution
1418226;1456765976;asciilifeform;aha.
1418227;1456765978;mircea_popescu;it being the 80s and shit.
1418228;1456765995;asciilifeform;it was the '80s, and the man was 'dependently wealthy.'
1418229;1456766056;asciilifeform;(rms won some sort of prize for gcc, but it was only enough for a few yrs, apparently, and parasites helped to eat it faster)
1418230;1456766078;asciilifeform;i do not know where it went, but afaik he still lives in a repurposed closet at mit.
1418231;1456766108;mircea_popescu;afaik.
1418232;1456766145;mircea_popescu;"being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work".
1418233;1456766319;punkman;relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384117
1418234;1456766319;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 12:42:16; punkman: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml
1418235;1456766398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't see the 'no inclination towards work' thing
1418236;1456766415;asciilifeform;rms was working on catastrophically broken priors, but worked.
1418237;1456766540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60450 @ 0.00059164 = 35.7646 BTC [+]
1418238;1456766587;asciilifeform;interesting, from punkman's link:
1418239;1456766590;asciilifeform;'Even when the SC is asked to decide something, they never go to RMS when they can help it, because he's so unaware of modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture. It's far, far better to continue postponing a question than to ask it, when RMS is involved, because he will make a snap decision based on his own bizarre technical ideas, and then never change his mind in time for th
1418240;1456766596;asciilifeform;He can be convinced. Eventually. It took the SC over a year to explain and demonstrate that Java bytecode could not easily be used to subvert the GPL, therefore permitting GCJ to be checked in to the official repository was okay. I'm sure that someday we'll be using C++ in core code. Just not anytime soon.'
1418241;1456766601;asciilifeform;e new decision to be worth anything.
1418242;1456766603;asciilifeform;^ rms when seen from the gnome pit
1418243;1456766647;asciilifeform;stung from all sides by vermin who want him to 'get with the times', is it any wonder rms turned to stone ?
1418244;1456766682;asciilifeform;'real-world technical issues and the bigger picture.'
1418245;1456766689;asciilifeform;'his own bizarre technical ideas'.
1418246;1456766738;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how does a man work who can't support himself ?
1418247;1456766756;punkman;ah there'[s more http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml
1418248;1456766757;assbot;Richard Stallman ... ( http://bit.ly/1UupnXv )
1418249;1456766798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does prisoner in butugychag work ?
1418250;1456766800;mircea_popescu;masturbation is not work.
1418251;1456766819;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform with the axe.
1418252;1456766819;asciilifeform;it is when you're masturbating ~someone else~
1418253;1456766827;mircea_popescu;mno.
1418254;1456766827;asciilifeform;at gunpoint
1418255;1456766843;punkman;http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/philosopher.shtml#Lab%20Dweller
1418256;1456766845;assbot;Part I. Philosopher ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uupylz )
1418257;1456766874;punkman;"Here at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he has made his home - literally, sleeping for 13 years on a narrow cot in a cubbyhole that resembles a nest, littered with candy wrappers, food containers, papers and magazines. Garbage tumbles off every surface, piles up in corners, allowing only a narrow track through which to navigate a life."
1418258;1456766884;mircea_popescu;also, the proper quote is "modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture". gotta get that MODERN in there, it is a key element of the belief system of idiots that the problems they encounter are novel.
1418259;1456766908;asciilifeform;http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/prophet.shtml#An attempt of hostile takeover of glib << l0l drepper gold
1418260;1456766910;assbot;Part IV. Stallman as a Prophet ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNbn9V )
1418261;1456766918;asciilifeform;pretty sure this was in the logz at some point
1418262;1456766924;mircea_popescu;wtf is with all these urls with spaces in them
1418263;1456766931;asciilifeform;'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development.  He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him.  This attempt failed ... '
1418264;1456766937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nfi
1418265;1456766946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this was in the log.
1418266;1456766953;asciilifeform;yeah iirc.
1418267;1456767001;phf;is that drepper quote?
1418268;1456767005;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1418269;1456767047;phf;back against the wall
1418270;1456767047;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ridiculousness of form aside, i can readily see the twin point that rms is catastrophically blind and strategically worthless.
1418271;1456767059;mircea_popescu;enough illustration - he went to fucking glbse conference.
1418272;1456767078;trinque;rms strikes me as a few rounds of imitation back from poettering and that ethereum kid
1418273;1456767079;asciilifeform;srsly?
1418274;1456767084;mircea_popescu;yes srsly.
1418275;1456767088;asciilifeform;glbse?!
1418276;1456767090;mircea_popescu;!s from:nefario stallman
1418277;1456767091;assbot;0 results for 'from:nefario stallman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Anefario+stallman
1418278;1456767095;mircea_popescu;pff
1418279;1456767118;asciilifeform;'In 1990, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation granted Stallman a MacArthur fellowship. The grant, a $240,000  which is more then $500K in 2000 dollars provided Stallman with a source of income and health insurance for five years. That made it less necessary to do consulting work to support himself. Although RMS now can devote more time to the writing GNU software, but actually h
1418280;1456767119;trinque;playing the role of slovenly hacker guy who chews his toenails
1418281;1456767124;asciilifeform;e was almost 40 and his best years as a programmer were in the past. Programming is a young men game and such grants usually are a clear signs of a starting decay.
1418282;1456767127;asciilifeform;'Unpleasant surprises followed. As leader of the GNU Project, Stallman experienced the first fork of Emacs in 1991. As we will see below by 1993, the GNU Project's completely lost the initiative due to an inability to deliver a working POSIX kernel.  In March, 1993, a Wired magazine article by Simson Garfinkel described the GNU Project as "bogged down".  GCC fork occurred a several years late
1418283;1456767133;asciilifeform;r (1997) and was the last straw... '
1418284;1456767147;trinque;same as any other chief scientist or wannabe religious nut leader
1418285;1456767172;asciilifeform;nobody lives forever.
1418286;1456767184;asciilifeform;some folks just spend longer time walking around as a zombie before burial, than others.
1418287;1456767210;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0H4QRZ4.txt << flavour of history, sep 2013.
1418288;1456767213;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNbQc1 )
1418289;1456767254;asciilifeform;so we're taking nefario's word for it ?
1418290;1456767293;mircea_popescu;the guy was actually there.
1418291;1456767429;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls
1418292;1456767431;assbot;Soulja Boy dance, MIT style - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNc7fe )
1418293;1456767447;mircea_popescu;to put this in proper perspective : "genjix" is the garbage-eating, underage-cousin-pimping, imbecile on a stick amir taaki.
1418294;1456767466;mircea_popescu;stallman has reduced himself to the position where street urchins are pulling the "i'm paying you, stand up to attention" trick on him
1418295;1456767467;mircea_popescu;in 2013.
1418296;1456767492;kakobrekla;afaik it wasnt 'glbse conference' per se, however nefario had a talk there as well as stallman. https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/speakers / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6Q--zqroM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPD_YSQ--k
1418297;1456767493;assbot;Speakers - Bitcoin Conference London 15-16 September 2012 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcd6D )
1418298;1456767494;assbot;Bitcoin 2012 London: Richard Stallman - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcdmT )
1418299;1456767495;assbot;Nefario - Bitcoin capital markets - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNcdmX )
1418300;1456767513;mircea_popescu;and i do mean street urchins quite literally, the sort of mostly-nude eastern flesh that'd follow europeans begging for candy, either as a freebie or in trade for butthole.
1418301;1456767548;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla tell you what, if maddof has a talk there as well as obama, it'll be the ponzi conference.
1418302;1456767567;asciilifeform;public toilet is, well, public
1418303;1456767579;mircea_popescu;not how this works.
1418304;1456767595;mircea_popescu;you have to BUY A LICENSE to run a public house and be protected by this "publichouse" theory.
1418305;1456767600;mircea_popescu;and i sold them no such license.
1418306;1456767606;asciilifeform;rms, as i understand, goes to all kinds of crud ('phreeee palestine!1111') to play at relevancy
1418307;1456767611;asciilifeform;*relevance
1418308;1456767647;phf;well, it's an opportunity for him to get his talking points in
1418309;1456767658;asciilifeform;some intern, likely, told him a five minute spiel re: bitcoin
1418310;1456767663;mircea_popescu;well, it's an opportunity for him to make nice for 500 bux.
1418311;1456767668;asciilifeform;and he looked up 'bitcoin conference' and went.
1418312;1456767703;mircea_popescu;but, back to the original point : catastrophic blindness and strategic worthlessness. the embodiment thereof, this is it.
1418313;1456768314;kakobrekla;rms was on nefarios conference as much as nefario was on rms conference
1418314;1456768323;asciilifeform;^
1418315;1456768344;asciilifeform;but i suspect that mircea_popescu is operating on the 'spoon of shit in barrel of wine' theorem
1418316;1456768360;kakobrekla;aha
1418317;1456768371;asciilifeform;but did rms even know that he was bathing in shit ?
1418318;1456768505;kakobrekla;if i had to guess mps argument here; 'shit doesnt know/care about itself bathing in shit, only actual person does'
1418319;1456768746;mircea_popescu;well no, actually, it's moreover related to
1418320;1456768763;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2016#1416038
1418321;1456768763;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2016 14:55:06; mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future.
1418322;1456768784;mircea_popescu;oh, he "didn't know" what was in front of him ? that's the definition of blindness. and he didn't know WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ?
1418323;1456768798;mircea_popescu;well wtf, i get the same results from my dog. i don't make the dog a strategist. FOR THIS REASON.
1418324;1456768808;mircea_popescu;if dog could see future, dog would also be general.
1418325;1456768822;asciilifeform;actually rms is the most consistently and accurately long-term doom prophet i'm personally aware of.
1418326;1456768830;asciilifeform;beats the shit out of everyone else.
1418327;1456768833;mircea_popescu;prophets are not strategists.
1418328;1456768839;mircea_popescu;they're a sort of singers.
1418329;1456768848;asciilifeform;~accurate~ prophet.
1418330;1456768855;mircea_popescu;~good~ singers.
1418331;1456768864;kakobrekla;yeah, his talks have been a carbon copy for a very long time on all the confs.
1418332;1456768869;asciilifeform;so what's the operative difference ?
1418333;1456768879;mircea_popescu;between what and what!
1418334;1456768885;asciilifeform;prophet / strategist
1418335;1456768898;asciilifeform;is it that the latter tells you what to do ?
1418336;1456768900;mircea_popescu;listen to prophet, be entertained ; follow strategist, survive.
1418337;1456768949;asciilifeform;well yes.
1418338;1456768956;asciilifeform;but i was asking, what they do differently.
1418339;1456768972;mircea_popescu;because why, anything can be expressed in pascal ?
1418340;1456768976;asciilifeform;aha!
1418341;1456769031;asciilifeform;remember, i don't deal in inexpressables. or i'd be hanging at the dirigible club with mircea_popescu, and not here in this ditch
1418342;1456769043;asciilifeform;i'm stuck with expressable.
1418343;1456769049;mircea_popescu;you'll have to one day tell me what's the "operative difference" between peach and pear, but not in the sense of "one has a wooden pit". instead, in the sense of "what do the trees do differently"
1418344;1456769056;mircea_popescu;and i presume "everything" doesn't suit you.
1418345;1456769069;asciilifeform;i can arrange this but the answer will be a few MB long.
1418346;1456769092;asciilifeform;but certainly not inexpressable.
1418347;1456769094;mircea_popescu;don't flatter yourself. you can't arrange this, and the answer would provably be > petabytes long.
1418348;1456769107;asciilifeform;MB if we get to #include from the genus.
1418349;1456769112;mircea_popescu;but you UNDERSTAND the meta point, which makes you lie to yourself about your capacities, because you really really want things to be a certain way.
1418350;1456769112;asciilifeform;otherwise mircea_popescu has it.
1418351;1456769139;mircea_popescu;so basically this discussion just became 'explain this to me, and if you do i'll just pretend the explanation doesn't exist"
1418352;1456769147;asciilifeform;actually i have a suitably grim picture of the capacities.
1418353;1456769164;asciilifeform;having actually been tasked with attempting something quite like the peach/pear before.
1418354;1456769170;mircea_popescu;aha
1418355;1456769217;mircea_popescu;note in any case that "operative" in that context specifically seeks "wooden pit" type answers.
1418356;1456769226;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu misunderstood, i have no intention of pretending that the inexpressable distinction does not exist. merely stating that i am not equipped to deal in it.
1418357;1456769241;mircea_popescu;and who is.
1418358;1456769263;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu ?
1418359;1456769276;asciilifeform;whose profession it is.
1418360;1456769279;mircea_popescu;sadly, nope.
1418361;1456769280;asciilifeform;( strategist )
1418362;1456769293;mircea_popescu;o, it is ? maybe when i'm having a good day.
1418363;1456769344;phf;goes back to cause/purpose thing
1418364;1456769355;mircea_popescu;now, granted, in re the trees, while it stands that you can't do it, i suspect you're right in suspecting it CAN be done.
1418365;1456769363;mircea_popescu;which makes it perhaps a  substantially different bojum.
1418366;1456769384;asciilifeform;i can't personally, with own hands, put a satellite in orbit, either.
1418367;1456769391;mircea_popescu;right.
1418368;1456769404;mircea_popescu;but i know people who put satellites in orbit ; i know no one who made the answer to the tree question.
1418369;1456769419;mircea_popescu;"step towards" is you know... another ledge.
1418370;1456769565;asciilifeform;the tree question is approx. where rocketry was in 1930.
1418371;1456769625;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1418372;1456769636;mircea_popescu;note that cold fusion has been approx where rocketry was in 1930 for a good century now.
1418373;1456769672;asciilifeform;mno.
1418374;1456769680;asciilifeform;it was where transmutation was in 1500.
1418375;1456769689;mircea_popescu;what's the operative difference ?
1418376;1456769711;mircea_popescu;they're both where virgin teen is on prom night. is it going to be a good experience/marriage/life ? who knows ?
1418377;1456769715;mircea_popescu;who even cares ? take it off!
1418378;1456769719;asciilifeform;the difference between 'needs moar engineering' and charlatanry that can absorb $trillion with not a blip of result ?
1418379;1456769738;mircea_popescu;note that mom and dad of virgin teen can liberally hold either of these views, interchangeably.
1418380;1456769740;asciilifeform;also fusion is very much the wrong term.
1418381;1456769746;asciilifeform;you can go and fuse in your kitchen right now.
1418382;1456769752;asciilifeform;(see, e.g., farnsworth's device)
1418383;1456769758;asciilifeform;the boojum is ~ +EV fusion ~.
1418384;1456769774;mircea_popescu;i think that's what the "cold" part is trying to suggest.
1418385;1456769783;mircea_popescu;otherwise... all sorts of "more expensive than it's worth" methods are known
1418386;1456769786;asciilifeform;you can also cold fuse right now.
1418387;1456769792;asciilifeform;whack palladium deuteride with hammer.
1418388;1456769794;mircea_popescu;in a different take of "cold".
1418389;1456769823;mircea_popescu;ie, not high temperature, cold. but the meaning contemplated in the expression is, i suspect, quite, "+ev, ie cold"
1418390;1456769837;mircea_popescu;as in cold ownage.
1418391;1456769857;asciilifeform;well there are two schools of fusion crackpottery, the 'hot' (tokamak, but really is just refinement of hbomb codes) and 'cold'.
1418392;1456769873;asciilifeform;both have delusions of '+ev any day now'.
1418393;1456769885;mircea_popescu;i like the laser pumping people.
1418394;1456769888;mircea_popescu;lasers are fun.
1418395;1456769896;asciilifeform;the 'hot' folks managed to strangle the 'cold' for the usg pig trough fight, yes.
1418396;1456769915;asciilifeform;the laser thing is really the quest for the 'clean thermonuke' in disguise.
1418397;1456769942;asciilifeform;(i.e. thermonuke that doesn't require a fissile initiator, ergo no need for refining U)
1418398;1456769984;mircea_popescu;aha.
1418399;1456769999;asciilifeform;usg has an interesting relationship with the thing
1418400;1456770009;asciilifeform;on one hand, it is the last thing a lizard wants to see appear.
1418401;1456770010;asciilifeform;anywhere.
1418402;1456770018;asciilifeform;on other hand, nobody can resist asking the question.
1418403;1456770020;mircea_popescu;"ideally, it would want it not to exist ; but if it must exist, it wants to be the only one to ever have it"
1418404;1456770023;asciilifeform;aha.
1418405;1456770072;mircea_popescu;in a very "sf" take of the thing - actually workable, and perhaps miniaturizable laser-initiated compression would put the nuclear issue on about the same terms the war on drugs finds itself.
1418406;1456770082;mircea_popescu;ie, anyoen can make drugs and you won't be able to detect them and fuck you.
1418407;1456770105;asciilifeform;aha.
1418408;1456770116;mircea_popescu;"here's where washington used to be, that crater to the left. oh, you never saw that 100cc of methane gas, did oyu ? awww!"
1418409;1456770134;asciilifeform;and it won't cost much, either.
1418410;1456770135;mircea_popescu;shoulda looked for methane instead of 2,3-blablatronium.
1418411;1456770186;asciilifeform;quite possibly everything else that usg does is preparation for this exam.
1418412;1456770200;mircea_popescu;unlike the qc thing, i can't even say this is not in the cards.
1418413;1456770209;asciilifeform;since '53 or whenever ulam realized that you don't actually need the fissile firecracker.
1418414;1456770221;mircea_popescu;besides. gotta explain all the other lifeless planets out there ~somehow~.
1418415;1456770245;asciilifeform;i can see hitler and dulles nodding to one another, 'yeah it'll be better to create a planet of castrated zombies'
1418416;1456770260;mircea_popescu;i don't see that better.
1418417;1456770273;asciilifeform;~they~ see it.
1418418;1456770288;mircea_popescu;as the romanian expression goes, "apai atunci nu-i prea vad in clar"
1418419;1456770300;asciilifeform;i'll take the lifeless crater, plox.
1418420;1456770323;mircea_popescu;literally, "thus therefore, i don't see them to clearly", but that "not see clearly" really means, "it won't end up well for them". sort-of like prophet not seeing your future too clearly.
1418421;1456770373;mircea_popescu;"in clar" also denotes plaintext, ie, immediately accessible. no need to explain and mediate their carcass into being, as it were.
1418422;1456770500;asciilifeform;yudkowsky, of all people, wrote some story where there was a planet where they learned to make fusion device with ancient greek level tech. and the survivers evolved. into something strange.
1418423;1456770527;asciilifeform;(into some monstrously happy/dopy/cooperative beast)
1418424;1456770599;asciilifeform;at any rate, even orwell had his fingers on it
1418425;1456770604;asciilifeform;!s you and the atomic bomb
1418426;1456770605;assbot;16 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
1418427;1456770638;asciilifeform;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#923509
1418428;1456770638;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 07:02:37; asciilifeform: 'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to p
1418429;1456771706;mircea_popescu;fortunately, it is not MERELY the atomic bomb that is rare and costly and as difficult to produce as a battleship.
1418430;1456771724;mircea_popescu;~CARING~ about the otherwise irrelevant item is ALSO rare and costly and difficult to produce. moreso than a battleship.
1418431;1456771737;mircea_popescu;hence why the meanwhile-barbarianized new yorkers couldn't care less if the nuke plant blows.
1418432;1456771745;mircea_popescu;so what if it does ? more varied tail for the lot of them!
1418433;1456772363;asciilifeform;phun phakt, seems like 'genkernel' won't allow you to disable flag SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYRING .
1418434;1456772385;asciilifeform;y'know, the one in http://perception-point.io/2016/01/14/analysis-and-exploitation-of-a-linux-kernel-vulnerability-cve-2016-0728 .
1418435;1456772386;assbot;Analysis and Exploitation of a Linux Kernel Vulnerability (CVE-2016-0728) | Perception Point ... ( http://bit.ly/1WSlv1p )
1418436;1456772400;mircea_popescu;but at any rate, notice how the "worldwide peace" movement seamlessly morphed into the "antiatomic movement" seamlessly morphed into the "ecology" movement.
1418437;1456772407;mircea_popescu;and recall tlp's wunderwaffenwords,
1418438;1456772422;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was a kgb golem, and this is amply documented.
1418439;1456772491;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, there's some ad on his page that blocks the loading.
1418440;1456772545;asciilifeform;l0l i thought you had his complete worx cached.
1418441;1456772593;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/SzW0e#selection-181.0-100.74 will have to do
1418442;1456772597;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% ... ( http://bit.ly/1WSlL0i )
1418443;1456772615;phf;i think the "advanced user" workflow is to pick up genkernel config, menuconfig it, put the config back into genkernel, recompile
1418444;1456772657;asciilifeform;phf: well yes, but the result is usually that the compile barfs
1418445;1456772657;phf;in before asciilifeform finally goes all LFS
1418446;1456772668;phf;ah
1418447;1456772682;asciilifeform;lfs ?
1418448;1456772689;phf;linux from scratch
1418449;1456772969;asciilifeform;ah
1418450;1456772973;asciilifeform;that'd be merely gentoo without portage.
1418451;1456772976;asciilifeform;wtf is the point.
1418452;1456773018;trinque;decent as a learning tool and not much else.
1418453;1456773024;*;trinque did it once
1418454;1456773065;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to understand why the enemy is not particularly scared of trb.
1418455;1456773080;asciilifeform;we don't actually have a kernel that isn't fully, certifiably porous.
1418456;1456773216;asciilifeform;the mice have been in the granary for... 20 yrs ?
1418457;1456773229;asciilifeform;and there is scarcely any grain at all to be found there.
1418458;1456773234;asciilifeform;only mouse shit.
1418459;1456773261;asciilifeform;and we (or at least i) are still baking bread from it.
1418460;1456773464;asciilifeform;because there is not another granary.
1418461;1456773802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86051 @ 0.00058627 = 50.4491 BTC [-] {3} 
1418462;1456774681;trinque;http://www.cvedetails.com/product/163/Openbsd-Openbsd.html?vendor_id=97 << >> http://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html?vendor_id=33
1418463;1456774682;assbot;Openbsd Openbsd : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLuYK )
1418464;1456774684;assbot;Linux Linux Kernel : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLuZ0 )
1418465;1456774693;trinque;yes, I understand I just said "this food has less shit in it!"
1418466;1456774744;trinque;worth mentioning too that one's referring to an entire *usable* operating system and the other to only a kernel
1418467;1456774888;trinque;I personally would far sooner deal with a shitty package management system than a swiss cheese kernel
1418468;1456774924;trinque;and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.
1418469;1456775027;trinque;tbh bitching about the openbsd ports tree is a matter of having missed the point; pester the maintainer or become him if you want something changed.
1418470;1456776150;asciilifeform;trinque: 'want something changed' is not the right description for granary full of mouse shit.
1418471;1456776799;trinque;actually most of the remote code execution exploits in recent OpenBSD were the fault of X
1418472;1456776860;asciilifeform;kernel exploit is not usually a remote but more privesc thing, anyway
1418473;1456776894;trinque;it seems to have done pretty well across the board
1418474;1456776907;trinque;whether that's due to it being a less prevalent target, I do not know.
1418475;1456776925;asciilifeform;i have a brick here that also did pretty well.
1418476;1456776929;asciilifeform;no remote exploits for it !1111
1418477;1456776981;trinque;heh, I'll have to try running my emacs env on your brick sometime
1418478;1456777165;asciilifeform;anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?
1418479;1456777198;trinque;!s from:phf openbsd
1418480;1456777199;assbot;20 results for 'from:phf openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aphf+openbsd
1418481;1456777303;asciilifeform;i don't recall a ~rotor~ trb working there.
1418482;1456777310;asciilifeform;phf, is there one ?
1418483;1456777354;trinque;it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it?
1418484;1456777402;trinque;in openbsd's case the operating system's version number refers to an entire base system
1418485;1456777421;trinque;could just target one of those and results should be the same on same arch
1418486;1456777488;asciilifeform;buildroot, theoretically, ought to work on bsd.
1418487;1456777501;asciilifeform;(recall, we're not building a kernel with it, only the toolchain)
1418488;1456777522;trinque;lemme see what it does and I'll paste; I've done it before and it barfed.
1418489;1456777554;asciilifeform;understand why i went with buildroot.
1418490;1456777569;asciilifeform;we need a thing that will 1) let us 'vendor' gcc and the WHOLE toolchain
1418491;1456777579;asciilifeform;2) GUARANTEE that a build pulls in NOTHING from outside.
1418492;1456777580;trinque;yep, sensible
1418493;1456777646;asciilifeform;there may be other ways to achieve this, e.g., a bsd 'jail'
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1418495;1456780755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00059163 = 29.4632 BTC [+] {2} 
1418496;1456781840;phf;asciilifeform: there's no rotor
1418497;1456781999;phf;i think i wanted to figure out how to package openssl/db/boost as buildroot native packages, rather then doing adhoc, which is a task in itself
1418498;1456782010;phf;once i do can probably produce buildroot for mac os x too
1418499;1456782104;phf;i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?
1418500;1456782151;phf;"Buildroot is a tool that simplifies and automates the process of building a complete Linux system for an embedded system, using cross-compilation.
1418501;1456782151;phf;
1418502;1456782151;phf;In order to achieve this, Buildroot is able to generate a cross-compilation toolchain, a root filesystem, a Linux kernel image and a bootloader for your target."
1418503;1456782445;ben_vulpes;> verify with text message (most secure)
1418504;1456782446;ben_vulpes;mhm sure
1418505;1456782628;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2016#1416923 << this girl i'm rather fond of convinced me that it wasn't a half-bad way to spend thirty years while my brain rots building apps for various usg tentacles.
1418506;1456782628;assbot;Logged on 27-02-2016 20:00:05; asciilifeform: in this particular case, why offspring
1418507;1456782638;ben_vulpes;sure as hell beats drinking the horror at my own existence away
1418508;1456782754;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415503 << mount her on a bicycle, pilfer a bottle from the office, mash around the city on bikes, break onto the in-decomissionment sellwood bridge and fuck on it? iono man what does one do with random girls anyways
1418509;1456782754;assbot;Logged on 25-02-2016 18:22:46; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415189 << inquiring minds would like to know what you'd have done with her if you caught her !
1418510;1456783863;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418499 << we abuse it...
1418511;1456783863;assbot;Logged on 29-02-2016 21:41:44; phf: i'm though confused, i thought buildroot is explicitly a cross-compilation mechanism?
1418512;1456784584;phf;oh so it's not even crosscompile?
1418513;1456784758;asciilifeform;well we cross-compile.
1418514;1456784763;asciilifeform;from derplinux to  ideallinux.
1418515;1456784767;phf;:)
1418516;1456784768;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit.
1418517;1456784780;asciilifeform;and, originally, i picked up buildroot to make pogotron.
1418518;1456785181;thestringpuller;everytime I see pogo reference I think of butt plug
1418519;1456785309;phf;http://www.toysrus.com/graphics/tru_prod_images/Fisher-Price-Grow-to-Pro-Pogo-Stick--pTRU1-2909797dt.jpg
1418520;1456785310;assbot;200 OK ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMcE1C )
1418521;1456785752;BingoBoingo;  << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so. << It's a Trump slogan, that's why it went meme
1418522;1456785979;asciilifeform;hay mas futuro!
1418523;1456786562;BingoBoingo; it doesn't run linux binaries, which would preclude buildroot, wouldn't it? << Last week Openbsd killed linux_compat on i386 which is the last platform they supported it on
1418524;1456786699;phf;oh ffs
1418525;1456786718;phf;i was hoping to get intellij idea running on that
1418526;1456786783;BingoBoingo;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160227163716
1418527;1456786783;assbot;Linux Emulation goes to the great bitbucket of the sky ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBvhU8 )
1418528;1456786814;asciilifeform;phf: l0l! are you slaving in a java mine ?!
1418529;1456786824;*;asciilifeform used 'idea' as a student, many years ago.
1418530;1456786842;phf;nah, actually use it for day to day development
1418531;1456786882;asciilifeform;how is that not slaving in a java mine ?
1418532;1456786884;phf;err, i mean, python mostly
1418533;1456786890;asciilifeform;or does idea do other langs now
1418534;1456786900;asciilifeform;hm
1418535;1456786935;phf;it does, and it has very elaborate python plugin (can be had separately as "pycharm")
1418536;1456786938;jurov;they have a sibling of idea named pycharm
1418537;1456786960;jurov;i use, too
1418538;1456787019;phf;it does things for you, autoimports, large scale refactoring, working jump to/from functionality
1418539;1456787150;phf;it's got some other niceties, like a db integration, where it introspects into the scheme and then does static analysis on your sql code, including sql code that's inline somewhere in python
1418540;1456787159;phf;*schema
1418541;1456787240;asciilifeform;this is spiffy, but closed source crud belongs in a specially-designated leprosorium (malware box, or at least, if you like living dangerously, a vm) rather than on naked civilian box !
1418542;1456787356;phf;i don't know what constitutes naked civilian box
1418543;1456787372;asciilifeform;depends.
1418544;1456787397;asciilifeform;'don't shit in the kitchen' is valid, despite different folks having different kinds of kitchen
1418545;1456787411;asciilifeform;i.e. places where definitionally one ought not shit.
1418546;1456787587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00058647 = 2.8631 BTC [+]
1418547;1456787604;jurov;that it's good thing to dream about :)
1418548;1456787638;*;ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013
1418549;1456787645;ben_vulpes;AM PASHTUN
1418550;1456787676;jurov;As long as you use the proper hand for each.
1418551;1456787826;ben_vulpes;american pashtun!
1418552;1456787830;ben_vulpes;i have tp ffs jurov
1418553;1456787853;ben_vulpes;sheesh this is like when i moved to new york and people were astonished to learn that there's electricity west of the rockies
1418554;1456787859;deedbot-;[Ossasepia] Coordinate Eulometry (or Tomb of the Dead Mollusc) - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/03/01/coordinate-eulometry-or-tomb-of-the-dead-mollusc/
1418555;1456787862;phf;toilet paper is barbaric
1418556;1456788061;ben_vulpes;at mp's prompting i added a plastic handheld thing to the shower
1418557;1456788098;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: isn't that for old people?
1418558;1456788125;deedbot-;[Qntra] Google At Fault In Motor Vehicle Collision - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-at-fault-in-motor-vehicle-collision/
1418559;1456788592;phf;asciilifeform: i guess i can't seem to find a baseline that doesn't suck in all kinds of obvious and non-obvious ways. for all practical purposes i operate out of a semipublic terminal that i don't own. various attempts to establish non-superficial ownership were unsuccessful for reasons amply discussed here
1418560;1456788697;phf;i found my way here to begin with because i was following your loperos project and your conclusions were then correct, only to be re-confirmed as part of b-a research
1418561;1456788715;asciilifeform;phf: iirc several people did
1418562;1456788717;asciilifeform;(adlai ?)
1418563;1456788752;phf;probably all the common lispers
1418564;1456788762;asciilifeform;not all, ben_vulpes was here before me.
1418565;1456788805;phf;ah, i think that's from before i was paying close attention to logs
1418566;1456788848;phf;but anyway, chuck moore probably has clean kitchen and terry davis :p
1418567;1456788851;asciilifeform;iirc he was named benkay in those days.
1418568;1456788961;phf;i think he renamed himself during my 6 months
1418569;1456789333;phf;my current goal is to have better compartmentalization, like have a gaming machine (i.e. libretto running dos, i've been unwinding with ~~'95 games), a work machine (i.e. a thing that can run intellij and which is compromised for all the practical purposes) and a b-a machine whatever that evolves into, because i don't think the future of a computer as a progrock moog station is panning out
1418570;1456789406;phf;^- http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/list/50-greatest-prog-rock-albums-of-all-time-20150617/199927/medium_rect/1434559354/720x405-GettyImages-74702183.jpg
1418571;1456789406;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1oU2hxL )
1418572;1456789556;BingoBoingo; not all, ben_vulpes was here before me. << iirc benkay you and myself were part of the 2013 #b-a cohort
1418573;1456789741;phf;that must be right because that's when asciilifeform published the mpex review, so i must've been reading mp since then, but ben_vulpes renamed himself quite recently
1418574;1456789757;phf;sometime summer last year
1418575;1456790363;mats;http://i.imgur.com/gJj95hz.jpg
1418576;1456790363;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XWn5jS )