1357906;1451606435;mod6;happy new year tmsr~ 1357907;1451606436;adlai;ben_vulpes: so, see, that's a tricky question. some people have told me that small offers are noise, and i intend to do roughly zero to address that complaint, because mpex accepts them, so they're signal. if you're asking about psychobabble - of course, although i'll use my judgement, which has been known to differ from that of other people. 1357908;1451606511;adlai;damnit mod6, isn't that a fiat thing? someday trb should fix the calendar, too 1357909;1451606577;adlai;but thank you for reminding me: 1357910;1451606733;mod6;well, time doesn't matter.. it's in the logs. 1357911;1451606859;ben_vulpes;adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'. 1357912;1451606891;ben_vulpes;you know where the void is, and the invitation to scream into it probably won't close any time soon. 1357913;1451606905;ben_vulpes;hail satan, smoke meth, write c etc. 1357914;1451607118;*;adlai cat >/dev/random 1357915;1451607452;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1SFFJ0D.txt 1357916;1451607453;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY6kyD ) 1357917;1451607456;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1357918;1451607483;*;adlai pushes to the blog-stack: "Version String Malleability Considered Harmful" 1357919;1451607664;shinohai;Happy New Year ben_vulpes o/ 1357920;1451607680;ben_vulpes;hola shinohai 1357921;1451607695;shinohai;Qye hay de bueno? >.> 1357922;1451607745;ben_vulpes;nada. 1357923;1451607760;ben_vulpes;all is void 1357924;1451607799;pete_dushenski;i'm off for the evening. happy 2016 b-a !!! 1357925;1451607816;shinohai;o/ pete_dushenski enjoy your trb node! 1357926;1451607824;adlai;congratulations pete_dushenski ! 1357927;1451607938;ben_vulpes;http://bikeportland.org/2015/12/30/activists-place-traffic-cones-to-improve-safety-of-bike-lane-along-new-orange-line-max-171493 << cascadians taking road rules into their own hands 1357928;1451607939;assbot;Activists use traffic cones to improve safety of bike lane along new Orange Line MAX - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1mU0urn ) 1357929;1451608007;shinohai;@ ben_vulpes when you have time some evening I have a very crude bash script I would like you to help me improve. 1357930;1451608069;ben_vulpes;gpg-gram and paste it to me, i'll get to it eventually 1357931;1451608082;shinohai;kk 1357932;1451608148;ben_vulpes;may as well just gpg-gram it to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get to code review before me 1357933;1451608162;*;ben_vulpes amazed to be doing this in b-a now 1357934;1451608184;ben_vulpes;fwiw the rules are simple 1357935;1451608186;ben_vulpes;set -xeu 1357936;1451608197;ben_vulpes;jam discrete bits of side-effect into functions 1357937;1451608218;*;adlai knows bash better than he'd like, would rather have ben_vulpes fix it 1357938;1451608220;ben_vulpes;pass args to functions for anything that might change ever 1357939;1451608255;adlai;isn't this why satoshi spent two years funemployed? so ben_vulpes could have some coin again? 1357940;1451608277;ben_vulpes;for big bash shit (heaven help you) have a single file with the project functions exported, and smaller scripts that import that file and then call the relevant functions 1357941;1451608285;ben_vulpes;shinohai: savvy? 1357942;1451608345;*;ben_vulpes lives in usa, will likely never own coin 1357943;1451608346;shinohai;I like small, so I prefer bash whenever possible. 1357944;1451608363;ben_vulpes;shinohai: anyways i have some time right now so choppa choppa 1357945;1451608384;shinohai;I'm drinking so it may take me a minute to gpg 1357946;1451608393;ben_vulpes;if its onerous skip it 1357947;1451608434;shinohai;I assure you it isn't anything worth all that lol 1357948;1451608481;ben_vulpes;well then skip it 1357949;1451608490;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/30/really-rich-people-are-suddenly-paying-quite-a-bit-more-in-taxes/ << http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4tk8aP0s1qdpcoso1_1280.png 1357950;1451608491;assbot;Really rich people are suddenly paying quite a bit more in taxes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABE ) 1357951;1451608493;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NY7ABO ) 1357952;1451608524;*;adlai loves this "I don't own any BTC"-poker... if your paranoia is that bad, you should expatriate. 1357953;1451608629;adlai;(it happens in zion as well, meni is the only guy who owns any btc and everybody else is starving for donations and 'investment' in their shartups) 1357954;1451608640;ben_vulpes;terrorist, extirpate thyself 1357955;1451608898;mats;hes in wot, can buy whenever he pleases 1357956;1451608998;adlai;meni!? 1357957;1451609079;adlai;meni has a) meatwot probably larger than this place ever got (though who knows what the future may hold), and b) no need to ever buy anymore, these days he only sells, or loses them over a game of chess 1357958;1451609518;mats;idk who meni is -- am talking about ben_vulpes 1357959;1451609565;adlai;the main problem with buying btc is not whence, but s/ce// 1357960;1451610067;ben_vulpes;if you're long and have regular income, dollar-cost-averaging isn't the worst thing in the world. 1357961;1451610077;ben_vulpes;of course one misses out on all the traderfeelz 1357962;1451610474;*;adlai raises the SNR a little, by "leaking" the address of the local 'bitembassy's ATM: 1DdfiZffjxNypZ6NbLuMP3w84vfzXfxiqc 1357963;1451610520;adlai;lots of DCAs stick a few bills there every week... and a bunch of suspicious types show up with QR code photos to buy obscene amounts with some lame story about online poker 1357964;1451610576;ben_vulpes;what, it only has one? 1357965;1451610584;ben_vulpes;is that its send-from or send-to? 1357966;1451610714;adlai;both. it gets funded periodically, and drains itself down. hot wallets ftw 1357967;1451610751;adlai;(it's a one-way Lamassu, eats bills in return for a QR) 1357968;1451611257;danielpbarron;adlai> danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? << I think it might be fun to play poker in Eulora, in a casino built brick by brick by noob labor 1357969;1451611343;shinohai;$up TRS80_ 1357970;1451611348;shinohai;$game 1357971;1451611359;shinohai;!up TRS80_ 1357972;1451611364;shinohai;$game 1357973;1451611365;TRS80_;shinohai: Donate:1uckyHF7bPLqMhdv3yPtqRu7wE4HrCsaZ, The unique hash for this game is, d4673f586242f70f12e08572c531ff3ad7c572601a64f47123a7a3e213efcada -, Minimum bet is (1 mBTC). Good Luck!, [ 2 ❤ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ J ♣ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , [ T ❤ ] , Rank for your hand is: 6066, Dealing a new hand..., The board:, [ A ♠ ] , [ 6 ♣ ] , [ 2 ♠ ] , [ A ♦ ] , [ Q ♠ ] , Player 1's cards:, [ 8 ♠ ] , [ T ❤ (2 more messages) 1357974;1451611373;shinohai;$part 1357975;1451611377;adlai;!rated shinohai 1357976;1451611377;assbot;You rated user shinohai on 31-Dec-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: don't hae the player, hae the gae... and don't ever let'em catch you slippin'.. 1357977;1451611418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52443 @ 0.00049955 = 26.1979 BTC [+] {2} 1357978;1451611428;*;adlai awaits S.POKE 1357979;1451611479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208857 @ 0.00049515 = 103.4155 BTC [-] {7} 1357980;1451612123;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000188.html 1357981;1451612124;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZDOsAp ) 1357982;1451614230;mod6;;;bc,stat 1357983;1451614231;gribble;Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command. 1357984;1451614233;mod6;;;bc,stats 1357985;1451614236;gribble;Current Blocks: 391196 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1357986;1451614401;mod6;;;ticker 1357987;1451614402;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.3, Best ask: 429.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 429.45, 24 hour volume: 20264.31002025, 24 hour low: 412.5, 24 hour high: 432.59, 24 hour vwap: None 1357988;1451615764;mats;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=23c_1451561257 1357989;1451615764;assbot;LiveLeak.com - Extraordinary FSA special forces training ... ( http://bit.ly/1mmYc3V ) 1357990;1451615778;mats;'extraordinary' 1357991;1451615930;shinohai;Adobe Flash lel 1357992;1451616269;mats;chromium loads as html5 vidya 1357993;1451616420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131520 @ 0.00050342 = 66.2098 BTC [+] {3} 1357994;1451616921;shinohai;Last time I tried chromium it was memory hog 1357995;1451618311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58908 @ 0.00050633 = 29.8269 BTC [+] {3} 1357996;1451618677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00050934 = 13.5994 BTC [+] {2} 1357997;1451619043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00050935 = 16.5539 BTC [+] 1357998;1451620019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12411 @ 0.00050935 = 6.3215 BTC [+] 1357999;1451620080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24389 @ 0.00051016 = 12.4423 BTC [+] 1358000;1451621948;PeterL;Happy New Year! 1358001;1451622066;shinohai;Happy New Year PeterL o/ 1358002;1451622094;PeterL;Spartans are sucking at handegg today, bleh. 1358003;1451622119;shinohai;>.< 1358004;1451623528;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/256EX4X.txt 1358005;1451623529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU2z3f ) 1358006;1451623529;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1358007;1451623536;deedbot-;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2015 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2015-report/ 1358008;1451623691;BingoBoingo;Peter_L At least they got this much handegg 1358009;1451623724;BingoBoingo;Roll Tide! 1358010;1451623741;PeterL;does deedbot accept wotpaste, or only dpaste? 1358011;1451623754;PeterL;Why is the Tide's mascot an elephant? 1358012;1451623802;BingoBoingo;Wotpaste is experimental so gotta ask trinque and ben_vulpes 1358013;1451623813;BingoBoingo;I have no idea why they are an elephant 1358014;1451624042;PeterL;The silliest mascot is Stanford's, my wife calls it "the happy dancing christmas tree" 1358015;1451624128;trinque;deedbot accepts whateverpaste from people he likes 1358016;1451624147;PeterL;deedbot-: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/019d9371-aa7b-41b1-8fb9-ad5266a1a7fa/?raw=true 1358017;1451624148;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjhVfk ) 1358018;1451624148;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1358019;1451624167;PeterL;maybe he doesn't like me? 1358020;1451624168;trinque;:| 1358021;1451624178;trinque;well. the shit isn't signed, broham. 1358022;1451624186;PeterL;meh, right 1358023;1451624198;BingoBoingo;Peter_L I like the story of the Illinois mascot, because it ends with him being murdered 1358024;1451624231;PeterL;I have to hear this story now? 1358025;1451624781;BingoBoingo;Well, not much to it. The Politically correct crowd murdered poor Chief Illiniwek. 1358026;1451624827;PeterL;aww, that's sad. Easter Michigan had their mascot transformed from a noble Indian dude into a stupid Eagle. 1358027;1451624842;PeterL;*Eastern 1358028;1451624850;BingoBoingo;That sucks 1358029;1451624876;PeterL;was a couple decades ago, but the older alumni are still sore about the change 1358030;1451624934;PeterL;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0HJRAKH.txt 1358031;1451624935;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU4g0v ) 1358032;1451625183;ben_vulpes;dude PeterL you still hafta sign it 1358033;1451625211;PeterL;yeah, I forgot :/ 1358034;1451625274;PeterL;deedbot- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ca33a4e9-6ed2-40f7-ad52-bdc1ea870b09/?raw=true 1358035;1451625275;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU4BAl ) 1358036;1451625276;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1358037;1451625290;PeterL;lol 1358038;1451625835;trinque;good thing that's going to last the lifetime of the blockchain. 1358039;1451625864;PeterL;important things like this should not be forgotten! 1358040;1451625866;trinque;immortal ink, PeterL, and that's what you wrote 1358041;1451625880;PeterL;all men must die 1358042;1451625913;adlai;not really. all the blockchain gets is ripemd160(sha256(that)) 1358043;1451625966;adlai;nobody can deny it's been published, as long as you know what "it" was 1358044;1451625973;PeterL;Tests!, I am doing important tests of our ecosystem 1358045;1451625974;trinque;that's why I keep the other part. 1358046;1451626030;PeterL;it's for science 1358047;1451626243;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357444 << logging address balances and ips because "public" servers are default 1358048;1451626243;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 18:42:25; *: adlai leaves the role of electrum to the alert/paranoid reader 1358049;1451626322;adlai;don't forget shepherding your transactions safely to china 1358050;1451626790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050311 = 2.9683 BTC [-] {2} 1358051;1451627330;BingoBoingo;In still further qntra news, the slowest page has been sped up substantially. 1358052;1451627364;BingoBoingo;Also, apparently I can PhP 1358053;1451627470;ben_vulpes;the play-dough of webdev 1358054;1451627501;ben_vulpes;and are you programming "php" or are you programming "wordpress"? 1358055;1451627531;ben_vulpes;just because someone's been writing "rails apps" for years doesn't mean they know anything about how ruby works. django/python idem. 1358056;1451627562;ben_vulpes;this is most apparently when rails devs go "omg docker" because it lets them reproducibly build execution environments 1358057;1451627625;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I'm not much programming anything. Mostly deleting and replacing. 1358058;1451627682;ben_vulpes;;;later tell thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1224991 1358059;1451627682;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 03:41:54; ben_vulpes: has anyone else compiled the maxint patch and received db.log errors of "unable to join environment"? 1358060;1451627682;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1358061;1451627697;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: muntz on, panzer 1358062;1451627707;BingoBoingo;Mostly a process of "fuck you turdball, no database calls for thing that never changes" 1358063;1451627734;BingoBoingo;Ah is "muntz" the verb for this 1358064;1451627760;ben_vulpes;!s muntz 1358065;1451627761;assbot;7 results for 'muntz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=muntz 1358066;1451627775;ben_vulpes;there's a whole story about a guy who had a teevee fab company 1358067;1451627791;BingoBoingo;aha 1358068;1451627817;ben_vulpes;software is a skosh more tricky to muntz, especially the shitstack. 1358069;1451627906;BingoBoingo;i c 1358070;1451628315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38110 @ 0.00050312 = 19.1739 BTC [+] 1358071;1451628376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110190 @ 0.00051043 = 56.2443 BTC [+] {4} 1358072;1451629187;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/UOeyK 1358073;1451629188;assbot;Me [23 M], and tinder date [18 F], had our first meet/date, but not attracted to her : relationships ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU9LMP ) 1358074;1451631331;punkman;happy new year asseteers and good morning 1358075;1451631676;BingoBoingo;morning punkman 1358076;1451632142;punkman;oh man this soup really disagreed with my stomach 1358077;1451632201;copypaste;I would say that it's not the #b-a newyear until the 3rd, which will mark year 8 d.Tr. 1358078;1451632215;copypaste;In my understanding, at least 1358079;1451632325;punkman;are you gonna celebrate the 3rd copypaste? 1358080;1451632326;BingoBoingo;Nah, #b-a runs off of UTC 1358081;1451632358;BingoBoingo;Anyways Trilema and Bitcoin didn't meet until 2011 or so 1358082;1451632387;copypaste;That's true, yet all the blog articles claim that last year was year 7 1358083;1451632519;BingoBoingo;Sure, that's Trilema Epoch. Then there's Bitcoin time measured purely by blockheight. UTC is #b-a time as easy compromise to avoid cognitive overload. 1358084;1451632554;copypaste;But if Trilema and Bitcoin met in 2011, how can 2014 be year 7 according to Trilema epoch? 1358085;1451632603;BingoBoingo;Because the universe runs on a shell script hiding in the great copypasta document niggers.txt 1358086;1451632635;BingoBoingo;When pulled from niggers.txt on its own, the script is commonly refered to as hebes.sh 1358087;1451632640;punkman;assbot: Me [23 M], and tinder date [18 F], had our first meet/date, but not attracted to her << virgintard should fuck the chubby thin instead of complaining, but I guess without pics I'll give him the benefit of doubt 1358088;1451632682;BingoBoingo;punkman: In post he mentioned that erection wasn't happening with the Obeast 1358089;1451632718;BingoBoingo;In other lulz look which scammer decided to start talking again this year https://archive.is/G1RcO 1358090;1451632719;assbot;Danny Brewster on Twitter: "2016 time to put the right people on blast. The tables are turning!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1VtpMrO ) 1358091;1451632736;punkman;BingoBoingo: yeah I bet us-chubby and eu-chubby use totally different units 1358092;1451632739;copypaste;I think this tweet is funnier 1358093;1451632742;copypaste;https://twitter.com/BtcDanny/status/682743386739240961 1358094;1451632760;copypaste;I'm pretty sure that chess game occurred nowhere but in Brewster's own head 1358095;1451632833;BingoBoingo;!s verbal equivalent of 1358096;1451632834;assbot;0 results for 'verbal equivalent of' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=verbal+equivalent+of 1358097;1451632956;punkman;who's next for a 2016 comeback 1358098;1451632959;punkman;pirate? 1358099;1451632985;punkman;karpeles? probably too soon 1358100;1451633068;BingoBoingo;Prolly meni, Armandi, and their labcoin/BDT scamcrew 1358101;1451633084;copypaste;don't forget Buttering 1358102;1451633131;BingoBoingo;^ 1358103;1451633565;punkman;from the seriously smooth department https://foodandfinewine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Spirits-003.jpg http://www.woodfordreserve.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Slider-62.jpg 1358104;1451633567;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VtqXrg ) 1358105;1451633569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VtqZzA ) 1358106;1451634110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38810 @ 0.00050897 = 19.7531 BTC [-] {2} 1358107;1451637023;mats;fph is trite and boring 1358108;1451637258;BingoBoingo;No u 1358109;1451637386;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Foundation Address Recap - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitcoin-foundation-address-recap/ 1358110;1451637568;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=212 1358111;1451637570;assbot;JL: Bread and Circuses ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3hA2X ) 1358112;1451637628;BingoBoingo;"So, when a meathead football player and two geeks begin second guessing the technical assessments of a man who was the master of his craft and currently manages and trains ball players, I know that we are on religious grounds. Religion trumps politics, and our new religion is major league sports... Not one of them has the heretical gumption to say, I dont know. Maybe the genius-level ballplayer is right about ball playing? 1358113;1451637629;BingoBoingo; " 1358114;1451637750;copypaste;"~S don~R know." ? 1358115;1451637883;BingoBoingo;? 1358116;1451638061;copypaste;Just an encoding error on your end it seems; to the log it appeared as ? marks http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358112 1358117;1451638061;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 08:40:28; BingoBoingo: "So, when a meathead football player and two geeks begin second guessing the technical assessments of a man who was the master of his craft and currently manages and trains ball players, I know that we are on religious grounds. Religion trumps politics, and our new religion is major league sports... Not one of them has the heretical gumption to say, I dont know. Maybe the genius-level ballplayer is ri 1358118;1451638086;copypaste;My client interpreted it as "~S don~R know." 1358119;1451638097;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Encoding error on the part of the source it was sloppied from 1358120;1451638123;copypaste;Perhaps :) 1358121;1451638563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00050897 = 23.209 BTC [-] 1358122;1451638935;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1358123;1451638941;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 434.08, vol: 6764.34341872 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 429.834, vol: 5362.88553 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 433.02, vol: 19825.40681133 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 426.0, vol: 2.86 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 435.456, vol: 46480.40930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 434.45, vol: 48.18586742 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 433.198087, vol: 34.09069241 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1358124;1451638944;BingoBoingo;;;more 1358125;1451638945;gribble;434.336449583 1358126;1451641955;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "founder" is a very sv title. saccharine, makes my teeth hurt almost. 1358127;1451642110;ben_vulpes;plus i have this hunch that reconciling hilarious mpex receipts is an epic pile of work 1358128;1451642158;BingoBoingo;The founder thing didn't hit me until you mentioned it, but yes it seems like incredible amount of work 1358129;1451646188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191923 @ 0.00051114 = 98.0995 BTC [+] {4} 1358130;1451646310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38701 @ 0.00050723 = 19.6303 BTC [-] {4} 1358131;1451648202;punkman;the hateful eight, notbad out of 5 stars 1358132;1451648800;fluffypony;1 out of 1 punkmans agree 1358133;1451649116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0005046 = 5.6011 BTC [-] 1358134;1451649749;punkman;http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/31/10693122/george-lucas-star-wars-white-slavers-interview lol 1358135;1451649750;assbot;George Lucas compares Disney to ‘white slavers’ that bought his children | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwLqFU ) 1358136;1451649763;punkman;"They weren't that keen to have me involved anyway." 1358137;1451650763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00050597 = 23.0722 BTC [+] {2} 1358138;1451653996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72262 @ 0.00051094 = 36.9215 BTC [+] 1358139;1451654265;mircea_popescu;aaand happy new year dear terrorists! 1358140;1451654423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82150 @ 0.00051118 = 41.9934 BTC [+] {2} 1358141;1451654657;shinohai;happy new year mircea_popescu, may 2016 bring more terror to thy enemies. 1358142;1451654659;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1358143;1451654663;gribble;Current Blocks: 391258 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1861 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1358144;1451654767;mircea_popescu;terrorcake! 1358145;1451654969;BingoBoingo;cake http://weev.livejournal.com/415737.html 1358146;1451654972;assbot;Ian's death and antifa at CCC: why hackers must become nationalists. - Andrew Auernheimer ... ( http://bit.ly/1mtVQj5 ) 1358147;1451655015;BingoBoingo;"Antifa at CCC took the chance to protest emerson's talk as racist. I might be a white nationalist and have been so in public since 2008, but if I were to give a talk at CCC I don't see how I could even make it racist. These are technical talks about real world software deployments. The talk itself was about emerson's travels to Sierra Leone at great personal risk to help use open source software to assist with the eradication of 1358148;1451655015;BingoBoingo;the Ebola virus. Why would they choose this talk?" 1358149;1451655034;BingoBoingo;I'm assuming antifa is anti-fascism 1358150;1451655190;mircea_popescu;punkman> the hateful eight, notbad out of 5 stars <<< someone from the ridiculous right was pretty well incensed, lengthy article about how tarantino's jew masters use him to push the dehumanization of white males. 1358151;1451655245;mircea_popescu;apparently unbeknownst to everyone, the humanity of white males is in a herd and a concern of the herd. and then the derp thinks he's fighting against the establishment. probably because they're not the right sort of socialists like he is or something. 1358152;1451655323;BingoBoingo;Hey, national socialism is still socialism 1358153;1451655349;mircea_popescu;i guess we're supposed to not know that. 1358154;1451655386;mircea_popescu;anywya, can't find the article now and too lazy to search for it, but it ended on a high note showing some black kids doing sexual domination games and mislabelling them with "gay" and other bullshit. 1358155;1451655426;mircea_popescu;which was moderately funny. hint : no dominant male thinks fucking betas makes him gay. and if you think otherwise, odds are it's because a) you're a beta and b) were never within range. 1358156;1451655984;mircea_popescu;!up shmadz 1358157;1451656003;shmadz;Thank you Mircea 1358158;1451656011;shmadz;Happy New year 1358159;1451656018;shmadz;Sorta drink 1358160;1451656031;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1358161;1451656086;shmadz;Just want bit bet, um.. Sorry flustered, please more time 1358162;1451656117;shmadz;Ah yes, President is woman? Yes/no 1358163;1451656225;shmadz;I'm not sure of the outcome on this, that's why I'm hoping for a bit bet consensus 1358164;1451656254;mircea_popescu;a... bet... consensus ? 1358165;1451656311;shmadz;Um, looking for a wager on bit-bet to determine the likelyhood 1358166;1451656330;shmadz;Of man vs woman president... 1358167;1451656345;shmadz;Sorry if it's already up there 1358168;1451656415;shmadz;I think it's more interesting than rep vs dem, Clinton vs Bush etc... 1358169;1451656675;shinohai;Pussy vs. Dick 1358170;1451656863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00051119 = 8.9969 BTC [+] 1358171;1451657106;mircea_popescu;so put it in. 1358172;1451657763;danielpbarron;shmadz, https://bitbet.us/bet/1229/the-next-us-president-will-be-female/ 1358173;1451657764;assbot;BitBet - The next US President will be female :: 0.16 B (59%) on Yes, 0.11 B (41%) on No | closing in 10 months 2 days | weight: 90`350 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwZH5B ) 1358174;1451657803;danielpbarron;or do you think female vs female is likely to happen? 1358175;1451659242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34747 @ 0.00051094 = 17.7536 BTC [-] 1358176;1451660623;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1358177;1451660630;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2827.12, vol: 47726.30050000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2827.12 1358178;1451661621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31565 @ 0.00051199 = 16.161 BTC [+] {4} 1358179;1451663581;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> I'm assuming antifa is anti-fascism <<< it's this peculiar derpy teen thing, mostly in yurp. sort-of like being a metalhead, but with much shittier music. 1358180;1451663593;BingoBoingo;ah 1358181;1451663882;deedbot-;[Trilema] The unhappy new years, or look at the difference a decade makes! - http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/ 1358182;1451664244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26759 @ 0.00051094 = 13.6722 BTC [-] {2} 1358183;1451665525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00051094 = 17.8318 BTC [-] {2} 1358184;1451665891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.00051094 = 14.7871 BTC [-] {2} 1358185;1451666288;mircea_popescu;is it me or does lucas look like a wookie 1358186;1451666325;BingoBoingo;It is how he aged 1358187;1451666467;mircea_popescu;were wookies retarded ? or what was their story ? 1358188;1451666520;BingoBoingo;retarded 1358189;1451666560;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357874 << definitely. 1358190;1451666560;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 23:35:40; danielpbarron: WoT poker just needs to be like Eulora, in that they only way to play is by first being in the WoT 1358191;1451666577;mircea_popescu;main problem of online poker being, like for social media and everything else - bots. 1358192;1451666619;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357879 << that's not the point. the point is that if you play alone against a table of six cooperating bots you'll get murdered NO MATTER how good you are. trivial to make a bot good enough for this. 1358193;1451666619;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 23:38:36; adlai: still, even for people you know personally. isn't computerized interaction too low-dimensional to allow for interesting leakage in a poker game? 1358194;1451666653;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357881 << iirc this was discussed last year or w/e last time we were going to make a poker thing 1358195;1451666653;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 23:39:03; ben_vulpes: more relevantly to the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion? 1358196;1451666721;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357890 << exactly how "banning" works here. there isn't a "moderator" idiot as a proxy for usg to "make hard decisions" for "the good of the flock". whenever things come to a head, moderation is done by the offender's own friends, and at their own expense. 1358197;1451666721;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 23:45:36; *: ben_vulpes can dig 1358198;1451666788;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1357906 << heh he got the top line! ENVY 1358199;1451666788;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 00:00:35; mod6: happy new year tmsr~ 1358200;1451667538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3720 @ 0.00051057 = 1.8993 BTC [-] {2} 1358201;1451667925;mircea_popescu;"Operating largely out of public view in tax court, through arcane legislative provisions and in private negotiations with the Internal Revenue Service the wealthy have used their influence to steadily whittle away at the governments ability to tax them. The effect has been to create a kind of private tax system, catering to only several thousand Americans." 1358202;1451667926;mircea_popescu;doh. 1358203;1451667931;mircea_popescu;taxes are OPTIONAL. 1358204;1451668250;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1357953 << yeah, and there's a bunch of derps who he scammed it from, too. 1358205;1451668250;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 00:37:09; adlai: (it happens in zion as well, meni is the only guy who owns any btc and everybody else is starving for donations and 'investment' in their shartups) 1358206;1451668369;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1357972 << shit sherlock, is that playable ? 1358207;1451668369;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 01:22:44; shinohai: $game 1358208;1451668372;mircea_popescu;i'd give it a spin 1358209;1451668391;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1357968 << word. 1358210;1451668391;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 01:20:57; danielpbarron: adlai> danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? << I think it might be fun to play poker in Eulora, in a casino built brick by brick by noob labor 1358211;1451668462;mircea_popescu;o hey, turns out i made like a btc betting on difficulty increasing. 1358212;1451668470;mircea_popescu;cool, i can take all these okcupid sluts to dinner now. 1358213;1451668778;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1358214;1451668780;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36ZQ5QK.txt ) 1358215;1451669412;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358206 <<< you cn play 1 person against bot, I started working on it a long time ago and kinda abandoned it :/ 1358216;1451669412;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 17:12:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1357972 << shit sherlock, is that playable ? 1358217;1451669458;mircea_popescu;get it so it pms everyone their hole cards, i'd play. 1358218;1451669512;ben_vulpes;are pm's actually...p? 1358219;1451669517;BingoBoingo;Prolly last of the Noah updates https://archive.is/UZVux >> "Since 1993, the Monarch Levee was raised to accommodate billions of dollars in flood plain development. Same with the Howards Bend Levee in Maryland Heights. It was a similar response to the one in Valley Park after its 1982 Meramec River flood, when it raised its levee to protect from a flood of 44 feet. The river crested Wednesday at 44.1 feet, with the levee narrow 1358220;1451669519;assbot;Messenger: Pied Piper of failed river policies saw this flood coming : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mUSdU4 ) 1358221;1451669519;BingoBoingo;ly saving the town." 1358222;1451669520;shinohai;xD 1358223;1451669532;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes notrly, but "good enough for a prototits" 1358224;1451669546;mircea_popescu;you know... like bitcoin 1358225;1451669563;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JytbHDRG0U 1358226;1451669563;assbot;On Top Of Spaghetti - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1mUSg1Y ) 1358227;1451669729;BingoBoingo;;tldr A bunch of Billions of USG dollars were spent to make Billions of new bezzle development more readily destroyed than the nothing preceeding it in 1993 1358228;1451669822;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358057 << that's what real programming is. ask anyone. 1358229;1451669822;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 05:53:45; BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm not much programming anything. Mostly deleting and replacing. 1358230;1451669881;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358077 << more amount of celebration is always better. 1358231;1451669881;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 07:10:01; copypaste: I would say that it's not the #b-a newyear until the 3rd, which will mark year 8 d.Tr. 1358232;1451669910;ben_vulpes;what is a year? 1358233;1451669939;ben_vulpes;don't hash power fluctuations make tracking large blocks of time a nondeterministic problem? 1358234;1451670013;mircea_popescu;depends on your definition of time. 1358235;1451670085;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358087 << that's the big secret there. takes what... a year for 18 yo to come to her shape ? maybe a year. 1358236;1451670085;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 07:17:20; punkman: assbot: Me [23 M], and tinder date [18 F], had our first meet/date, but not attracted to her << virgintard should fuck the chubby thin instead of complaining, but I guess without pics I'll give him the benefit of doubt 1358237;1451670146;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Gotta impose time on the manifold. Can't let it impose time on you. 1358238;1451670170;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358090 << don't tell me, we get more "brick and mortar"stores ? out of MIT ? 1358239;1451670170;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 07:18:39; assbot: Danny Brewster on Twitter: "2016 time to put the right people on blast. The tables are turning!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1VtpMrO ) 1358240;1451670212;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358100 << likely, yeah. been stewing in ignomity for long enough. 1358241;1451670212;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 07:24:28; BingoBoingo: Prolly meni, Armandi, and their labcoin/BDT scamcrew 1358242;1451670227;mircea_popescu;bring back the bcrypt to the market! 1358243;1451670234;BingoBoingo;Gotta top up the scam horde 1358244;1451670235;mircea_popescu;it used to be the best! 1358245;1451670257;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> get it so it pms everyone their hole cards, i'd play. << me too 1358246;1451670270;shinohai;Hey look Mr. Neobee is back! 1358247;1451670300;mircea_popescu;punkman do you happen to recall the name of the unfortunate/idiotic cypriot he scammed for looks ? nicosia uni cs head or something. 1358248;1451670329;mircea_popescu;pictures with him, brewster and the actual brains behind the operation (different, dispeptic looking sociopath) disappeared off teh webs rather quickly lol. 1358249;1451670370;punkman;no cluer 1358250;1451671616;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform can you link me to the "common lisp is for hard problems" naggum bit? 1358251;1451671617;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1358252;1451671631;ben_vulpes;or anyone else. 1358253;1451671747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63878 @ 0.0005125 = 32.7375 BTC [+] {4} 1358254;1451672804;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1358255;1451672887;BingoBoingo;https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2013/mar/07/fbi-reveals-why-it-labeled-insane-clown-posse-gang/ 1358256;1451672889;assbot;FBI reveals why it labeled Insane Clown Posse gang leaders ... ( http://bit.ly/22CuuZf ) 1358257;1451672892;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358250 << http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3239150725773370@naggum.no.html 1358258;1451672892;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 18:06:56; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can you link me to the "common lisp is for hard problems" naggum bit? 1358259;1451672893;assbot;Re: The Next Generation of Lisp Programmers - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/22CuxUR ) 1358260;1451672939;ascii_rear;or possibly http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html 1358261;1451672939;assbot;Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/22CuBE7 ) 1358262;1451673159;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358228 << mno, this is called - junkyard wars 1358263;1451673159;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 17:37:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358057 << that's what real programming is. ask anyone. 1358264;1451673183;ascii_rear;pr0gramming is when you... write proggy 1358265;1451673214;ascii_rear;and yes, this is a rare thing 1358266;1451673269;mircea_popescu;yes, yes, you're right. but insofar as the fate of people living in the odoacer era is concerned... junkyard wars. 1358267;1451673404;ascii_rear;aha. 1358268;1451673504;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358145 << i still don't believe a word of the Official Truth re: whole thing 1358269;1451673504;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 13:29:29; BingoBoingo: cake http://weev.livejournal.com/415737.html 1358270;1451673586;ascii_rear;what, 'random' police broomsticking? and killed 'himself'? aha sure 1358271;1451673647;mircea_popescu;myeah, i don't see it either. 1358272;1451673747;ascii_rear;and his alleged $mil could not buy a life in b-a or ulan batur? 1358273;1451673841;ascii_rear;the one thing that i don't grasp is - why he 'musted die' - debian had already fallen, long ago 1358274;1451673960;BingoBoingo;Because maybe his brain rot was likely to make him spill the wrong history of the RNG 1358275;1451673994;mircea_popescu;That dude is obviously not Joe Flacco! <<< epic lafond piece lol 1358276;1451674036;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear one theory would be that he was going to trb it. 1358277;1451674104;ascii_rear;any known hint of this? 1358278;1451674119;mircea_popescu;nope. 1358279;1451674130;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1358280;1451674147;ascii_rear;all i saw in (putatively) his output was liberast derp 1358281;1451674271;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike you visiting accra and deciding "all i smelled was filth". this may be so, but nevertheless some people try to wash and keep clean. even in accra. 1358282;1451674369;ascii_rear;all i can say is that the clean was well-hidden. 1358283;1451674407;mircea_popescu;no clean there. but whether the man was trying to or not, you can't judge by the output. it'd be, willy-nilly, steeped i nthe stupid context of his culture. 1358284;1451674457;ascii_rear;if not by output then by what?? 1358285;1451674473;ascii_rear;'by their fruits... etc 1358286;1451674488;mircea_popescu;nolo contendere. 1358287;1451674506;ascii_rear;!s you are what you pretend to be 1358288;1451674507;assbot;4 results for 'you are what you pretend to be' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+are+what+you+pretend+to+be 1358289;1451674870;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear , in the 1358290;1451675086;mircea_popescu;http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/31/10693122/george-lucas-star-wars-white-slavers-interview <<< anyone remember the piece with lucas and spielberg a coupla years ago bitching about how they, THEY can't get money to produce their films ? 1358291;1451675088;assbot;George Lucas compares Disney to ‘white slavers’ that bought his children | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwLqFU ) 1358292;1451675102;mircea_popescu;then disney buys lucas out and bam, the shittified star wars is a block buster 1358293;1451675123;mircea_popescu;how the fuck you can shitify somethign as shitty as anything lucas ever made is beyond me, but hey. jackal eats jackal and disney's the top jackal it seems 1358294;1451675131;mircea_popescu;the point however... why is disney the top jackal ? 1358295;1451675144;ascii_rear;why edison? 1358296;1451675144;punkman;best thing about the second trilogy is plinkett's reviews http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/ 1358297;1451675149;assbot;Red Letter Media Star Wars: Episode 1 – The Phantom Menace : ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBbZAj ) 1358298;1451675151;ascii_rear;these converge. 1358299;1451675160;ascii_rear;why microshit. 1358300;1451675168;ascii_rear;this is an old, old dynamic 1358301;1451675186;mircea_popescu;because to my eye it looks a lot like it's simply mosfilm. 1358302;1451675195;mircea_popescu;ie, the reason it "succeeds" is purely bureaucratic. 1358303;1451675201;ascii_rear;naturally 1358304;1451675214;punkman;that's what disney does 1358305;1451675228;ascii_rear;notice how copyrasty is more or less synonymous with disney 1358306;1451675266;mircea_popescu;apparently, yeah. 1358307;1451675292;ascii_rear;those aspects of it which feed disney - are strong; others - dying 1358308;1451675346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00051272 = 38.8129 BTC [+] {3} 1358309;1451675351;mircea_popescu;quite. 1358310;1451675407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74377 @ 0.00051317 = 38.168 BTC [+] 1358311;1451675524;ben_vulpes;http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-jab-no-pay-immunisation-law-likely-to-go-ahead-20151112-gkx75p.html 1358312;1451675527;assbot;'No jab, no pay' immunisation law likely to go ahead ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJlcS ) 1358313;1451675695;phf;BingoBoingo: I'm assuming antifa is anti-fascism<< "antifa" is a youth movement of anti-fascist skinheads with similar tactics and goals. in russia consists of gopniks/chavs, who bulk up, shave heads, and then engage in traditional activities of getting drunk, starting vkontakte drama, beating up people on metro ("why shaved head? you a nazi or something?") and periodically having gang on gang fights with actual skinheads 1358314;1451675734;BingoBoingo;And the actual skinheads win right? 1358315;1451675754;ascii_rear;idiocy is not unlike magnetic field, has two ends automagically 1358316;1451675762;mircea_popescu;there is no win. 1358317;1451675771;mircea_popescu;everyone gets bloodied, which is a good substitute for "not everyone can have sex" 1358318;1451675796;phf;well, "the rise of the foot soldier" kind of win 1358319;1451675818;mircea_popescu;in that sense, yeah. 1358320;1451675834;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZqOiJJvN84 1358321;1451675835;assbot;Hooligan setup - Rise of the footsoldier - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBdgr4 ) 1358322;1451675839;mircea_popescu;but for these schmucks isis'd literally say "and we went over to europe and it was a great uninhabited desert " 1358323;1451675843;mircea_popescu;happened in history befoar. 1358324;1451676057;phf;i can't imagine german antifa has anything to do except disrupt ccc talks and such. https://stickerkitty.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/2011berlin_149.jpg little know fact everyone in that photo was arrested by die polizei for writing "nazi" on the wall 1358325;1451676058;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBdDSt ) 1358326;1451676229;ascii_rear;l0l fire extinguisher 1358327;1451676839;BingoBoingo;In other Disney: https://archive.is/e8DHj >> "This was particularly difficult for Steele to do because, well, she was standing in the middle of Times Square. This might be the first time in the history of televised sports where the studio keeps cutting back to a crowd of thousands of people who are not watching the game they're televising." 1358328;1451676840;assbot;The second edition of CFP Thursday was a mess. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxMGbV ) 1358329;1451677115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32317 @ 0.00051177 = 16.5389 BTC [-] 1358330;1451677188;BingoBoingo;From the mines https://i.imgur.com/OwYuDBz.jpg 1358331;1451677189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBfWF8 ) 1358332;1451677391;ben_vulpes;unrelated 1358333;1451677391;ben_vulpes;https://www.groupon.com/biz/guilford-ct/yolo-laser-center-med-spa 1358334;1451677392;assbot;Yolo Laser Center & Med Spa - Guilford, CT | Groupon ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxOe5E ) 1358335;1451677847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00051332 = 12.371 BTC [+] {3} 1358336;1451679458;BingoBoingo;nsfl https://archive.is/a4HY4 1358337;1451679458;assbot;Dick_tickle comments on This is what I aspirated ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBGrqO ) 1358338;1451680818;BingoBoingo;cookies for kakobrekla https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/67/68/3e6768e895dd939f8a6af78a8bc55aac.jpg 1358339;1451680818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk0gnh ) 1358340;1451680858;kakobrekla;chop chop 1358341;1451681148;BingoBoingo;http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/300x300/exps5019_CT1334C27.jpg 1358342;1451681149;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk0IC4 ) 1358343;1451681508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13102 @ 0.00051342 = 6.7268 BTC [+] 1358344;1451682932;mircea_popescu;aghahaha ginger dormice ? 1358345;1451684157;BingoBoingo;looks so 1358346;1451684374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00050929 = 43.4934 BTC [-] {4} 1358347;1451684416;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/X4TzT 1358348;1451684416;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OptbH1 ) 1358349;1451684698;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/2NP3E8z.gif 1358350;1451684700;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OptBNy ) 1358351;1451684934;shinohai;Well looks like she's free for ya BingoBoingo 1358352;1451684944;BingoBoingo;nope 1358353;1451684949;shinohai;^^ 1358354;1451684960;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Speaking of ready, when's your datacenter 1358355;1451684979;shinohai;I wish I had a datacenter lol 1358356;1451684998;mircea_popescu;decentralize all the thangs. 1358357;1451685074;BingoBoingo;decentralize all the thongs 1358358;1451685167;mircea_popescu;thong to the site, the beach look for 2016 ? 1358359;1451685172;mircea_popescu;side* 1358360;1451685184;BingoBoingo;Only one way to find out 1358361;1451689747;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/08/s-mpoe-traders-delight/ << hey adlai, you're not the only mpoe/mpex skeptic anymore. the validating power of teh crowd is yours at long last. 1358362;1451689749;assbot;S.MPOE: Trader’s Delight. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1R53az4 ) 1358363;1451689872;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "is still to late to be the "Wall Street" of Bitcoin." << one of these to/too/twos is not like the other 1358364;1451689915;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358181 << just what the doctor ordered after a night of drinking :) 1358365;1451689915;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 15:58:02; deedbot-: [Trilema] The unhappy new years, or look at the difference a decade makes! - http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/ 1358366;1451690322;shinohai;http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/dec/30/tennessee-highway-patrol-announces-plan-no-refusal-enforcement-during-new-years-eve-holiday-period/342555/ <<< Constitutional protections? What are those? 1358367;1451690323;assbot;Tennessee troopers set up 'no refusal' checkpoints with mandatory blood draws through Jan. 4 | Times Free Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vv9X3S ) 1358368;1451690347;pete_dushenski;lolwut 1358369;1451690499;*;pete_dushenski reads, finds that blood draws aren't for ~all~ people passing through checkpoints, as he first suspected 1358370;1451690526;pete_dushenski;not ~quite~ as bad as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358311 at any rate 1358371;1451690526;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 19:12:04; ben_vulpes: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-jab-no-pay-immunisation-law-likely-to-go-ahead-20151112-gkx75p.html 1358372;1451690738;shinohai;^ that law would go ovr like a lead balloon here in U.S. with all the hipster parents these days 1358373;1451690784;pete_dushenski;re: vaccinations as a barrier to entry for government subsidies for children, it seems to me that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be on the hook for any adverse eventualities of that decision, but really only as it pertains to that aspect of their child's health, being the working point for that decision. no polio vaccine for jimmy ? then jimmy gets polio ? then pay up for treatment, no free 1358374;1451690784;pete_dushenski;es. 1358375;1451690930;pete_dushenski;but should jimmy also have to pay for the ~actual~ cost of his grade school education just because he didn't get the vaccine ? only if his parents also opted out of taxes, i say, which since this isn't the future, i don't see that also happening (yet) 1358376;1451691293;pete_dushenski;"Azzopardi instinctively knew how to get emotions going to the point where nothing else mattered. Her pictures had told a story—a devastating story that no sane person would ever lie about. Who makes up a history of sex trafficking? What kind of person do you need to be?" 1358377;1451691326;pete_dushenski;^who would lie about being raped by the duke lacrosse team ? durr 1358378;1451691333;pete_dushenski;http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/how-stories-deceive 1358379;1451691334;assbot;How Stories Deceive - The New Yorker ... ( http://bit.ly/1R55Oos ) 1358380;1451691516;pete_dushenski;gotta jet! 1358381;1451691572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.00050684 = 25.8488 BTC [-] {2} 1358382;1451692121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92600 @ 0.00051138 = 47.3538 BTC [+] {3} 1358383;1451692473;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: "is still to late to be the "Wall Street" of Bitcoin." << one of these to/too/twos is not like the other << fxd 1358384;1451692789;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article52664930.html#storylink=qntra 1358385;1451692790;assbot;Charges filed in Chips Ahoy cookie shooting in Belleville | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFkyM2 ) 1358386;1451692802;BingoBoingo;!up artifexd 1358387;1451692907;shinohai;"over $8 and a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies" <<< grammar! 1358388;1451692955;shinohai;oh wait, that makes sense. but jeez, thats almost as bad as the girls that fought over fried chicken. 1358389;1451693008;BingoBoingo;But with bullets 1358390;1451693219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00050684 = 7.5012 BTC [-] {2} 1358391;1451693890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21389 @ 0.00051341 = 10.9813 BTC [+] {2} 1358392;1451695232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13086 @ 0.00050792 = 6.6466 BTC [+] 1358393;1451695720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15314 @ 0.00050792 = 7.7783 BTC [+] 1358394;1451695903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17179 @ 0.00051352 = 8.8218 BTC [+] {3} 1358395;1451696029;mircea_popescu; re: vaccinations as a barrier to entry for government subsidies for children, it seems to me that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be on the hook for any adverse eventualities of that decision <<< this stance is nonsensical in that the more notable adverse eventualities are also externalities. 1358396;1451696208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14441 @ 0.00051368 = 7.4181 BTC [+] {2} 1358397;1451696386;mircea_popescu;!up lobito 1358398;1451696402;lobito;thanks 1358399;1451696410;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ? 1358400;1451696433;lobito;i'm a bitcoin user from argentina 1358401;1451696445;lobito;since 1 btc = 5 usd aprox 1358402;1451696451;mircea_popescu;o hey, cool. 1358403;1451696452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00051369 = 10.2224 BTC [+] 1358404;1451696458;lobito;:) 1358405;1451696471;lobito;i'm reading on decred 1358406;1451696485;lobito;i've been following faircoin too 1358407;1451696533;lobito;i wanted to lurk around to see if anyone brings the subject 1358408;1451696539;lobito;to learn more 1358409;1451696548;mircea_popescu;!s faircoin 1358410;1451696549;assbot;0 results for 'faircoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=faircoin 1358411;1451696554;mircea_popescu;seems not. 1358412;1451696580;lobito;any thoughts about decred or faircoin? 1358413;1451696646;lobito;i'm all for faircoin ^^ 1358414;1451696663;mircea_popescu;is this the new scamcoin usg folks are going to bless us with after the demise of xt ? 1358415;1451696694;lobito;sorry, idk what usg or xt is :P 1358416;1451696710;mircea_popescu;right. 1358417;1451696727;mircea_popescu;"CEO of 'Company 0', Mr. Jacob Yocom-Piatt, who has funded Bitcoin development since early 2013" << nobody heard of him. apparently every year needs its own neobee, glhf. 1358418;1451696727;pete_dushenski;!s usgcoin 1358419;1451696728;assbot;9 results for 'usgcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=usgcoin 1358420;1451696742;pete_dushenski;what else could 'faircoin' be but ^ 1358421;1451696747;lobito;i understand some of the core devs of bitcoin left the and started decred 1358422;1451696754;lobito;*left the project 1358423;1451696766;mircea_popescu;"So, in order to address this issue, some of the Bitcoin developers have joined hands with the makers of the widely used BTCsuite and are now building their own new digital currency called DECRED." << except a) nobody fucking uses "btcsuite" and b) who was this again ? they keep avoiding actually naming those "developers". 1358424;1451696779;mircea_popescu;you're new. this is how bitcoin scams work. 1358425;1451696790;mircea_popescu;gotta load up on teh history first, it's rich. 1358426;1451696791;lobito;xD 1358427;1451696795;lobito;i see 1358428;1451696797;lobito;thanks 1358429;1451696821;lobito;faircoin is a bitcoin-based currency for the faircoop project 1358430;1451696829;lobito;a global cooperative of cooperatives 1358431;1451696834;mircea_popescu;yeah, the dwarf is probably all into it\ 1358432;1451696834;lobito;to compete with multinational 1358433;1451696836;mircea_popescu;;;seen funkenstein 1358434;1451696837;gribble;funkenstein was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 6 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: !register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 1358435;1451696843;mircea_popescu;nowai 1358436;1451696852;lobito;*multinationals 1358437;1451696856;lobito;wai 1358438;1451696858;pete_dushenski;underscore 1358439;1451696865;pete_dushenski;;;seen funkenstein_ 1358440;1451696866;gribble;funkenstein_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: my calculations are showing 14,998,400 in circulation still 1358441;1451696899;lobito;faircoop it's by some spanish guy who stole from banks to give to self-organized workers 1358442;1451696924;lobito;they call him the spanish robin hood or something 1358443;1451696937;mircea_popescu;"they". 1358444;1451696960;lobito;the press :P 1358445;1451696966;mircea_popescu;maybe start your journey by looking into the lulzy story of that garza nitwit. should be instructive. 1358446;1451697069;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358395 << so contribute to herd immunity or gtfo ? 1358447;1451697069;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 00:53:49; mircea_popescu: re: vaccinations as a barrier to entry for government subsidies for children, it seems to me that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be on the hook for any adverse eventualities of that decision <<< this stance is nonsensical in that the more notable adverse eventualities are also externalities. 1358448;1451697080;mircea_popescu;well, it's how vaccines work. 1358449;1451697097;pete_dushenski;i'm aware 1358450;1451697167;mircea_popescu;i tell you, if world is ramping up to exterminate mosquitoes and some derp decides that it's his god given right to keep stale water on "his propertah" ima shoot him and burn his propertah down. 1358451;1451697182;mircea_popescu;ymmv, but political thinking re vaccines is of the same category. 1358452;1451697244;pete_dushenski;but wtf does 'world' know ? 1358453;1451697262;mircea_popescu;you mean in the case of polio ? 1358454;1451697271;mircea_popescu;or you mean i nthe case of the totally spurious zona zooster vaccine ? 1358455;1451697273;pete_dushenski;in the case of mosquitoes 1358456;1451697276;mircea_popescu;people like to conflate things. 1358457;1451697293;lobito;this is enric duran, founder of faircoop, if anyone's interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enric_Duran 1358458;1451697294;assbot;Enric Duran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpRNzm ) 1358459;1451697304;pete_dushenski;i'm fully in favour of vaccines ftr 1358460;1451697318;lobito;what's "garza nitwit", btw :P 1358461;1451697333;pete_dushenski;!s josh garza 1358462;1451697333;assbot;24 results for 'josh garza' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=josh+garza 1358463;1451697339;pete_dushenski;^start there, lobito 1358464;1451697353;lobito;thanks, pete 1358465;1451697367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00050765 = 7.564 BTC [-] {4} 1358466;1451697417;trinque;lobito: would you also hire a cook who was anti-food? 1358467;1451697418;mircea_popescu;anyway. there;s clearly a trend for overvaccination. too young, for one thing ; all sorts of pointless, spurious shit. what drives it is the twin beast of merck wants profits and random derp thinks that if a drink is good ten drinks should be better. 1358468;1451697426;mircea_popescu;there's gotta be some balancing somehow. 1358469;1451697427;pete_dushenski;i guess that a forced vaccine seems like a pound of flesh too far, but on the other hand, when you already have income tax and sales tax and inflation tax and etc etc. maybe not ? 1358470;1451697430;lobito;xD 1358471;1451697469;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: humans don't balance, "what sufficient ?" ;) 1358472;1451697482;mircea_popescu;heh. 1358473;1451697596;lobito;trinque: that analogy's not quite right 1358474;1451697608;lobito;he's not anti-economy nor anti-currency 1358475;1451697611;lobito;he's anti-capitalist 1358476;1451697619;mircea_popescu;can you explain this difference ? 1358477;1451697630;mircea_popescu;"i love eating, i'm just anti getting fat" 1358478;1451697631;lobito;have you read the communist manifesto? 1358479;1451697641;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1358480;1451697654;mircea_popescu;you have any fucking idea what communist economy looks like ? 1358481;1451697661;lobito;nope 1358482;1451697663;lobito;not my point 1358483;1451697677;lobito;he thinks the current economic system's unfair 1358484;1451697683;lobito;so did karl marx 1358485;1451697694;lobito;i'm not a communist btw :P 1358486;1451697701;pete_dushenski;"From 2006 to 2008, Duran took out 68 commercial and personal loans from a total of 39 banks with no guarantees or property as collateral. He had no intention of repaying the debts, and used the money to finance various anti-capitalist movements" << why more people don't do this ~exact same thing~ to buy bitcoin is a wonder 1358487;1451697703;mircea_popescu;every system's unfair to someone. 1358488;1451697742;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski iirc point was even discussed in the logs. it's how banking ends. 1358489;1451697763;mircea_popescu;fundamentally, fiat banking requires the world economy to work as a closed system. once bitcoin's on the table... forget it. 1358490;1451697794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00050506 = 14.1669 BTC [-] {2} 1358491;1451697894;lobito;surely 1358492;1451698010;lobito;brb, having dinner 1358493;1451699352;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butts 1358494;1451699379;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_bubble 1358495;1451699397;mircea_popescu;!up asciian_kardashian 1358496;1451699406;mircea_popescu;:D 1358497;1451699408;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1358498;1451699415;ascii_rear;l0lzz 1358499;1451699418;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1358500;1451699483;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/30/national-socialist-and-lover/ << quotes from 'goebbels : a biography' are notbad, definitely saves you $20 for the hardcover 1358501;1451699484;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » National Socialist and Lover ... ( http://bit.ly/1Srm5Du ) 1358502;1451699527;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/29/the-eu-was-hitlers-idea-apparently/ << more quotes from same book 1358503;1451699528;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » The EU was Hitler’s idea, apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrmaXF ) 1358504;1451699533;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358489 << more than one way to make the closedsystem... sya, narrow the class of what bezzle buys (i.e. not isis arms AND not-btc..) 1358505;1451699533;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 01:22:43; mircea_popescu: fundamentally, fiat banking requires the world economy to work as a closed system. once bitcoin's on the table... forget it. 1358506;1451699556;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear notrly, no. 1358507;1451699579;mircea_popescu;this is like the spanish protecting themselves from piracy by "narrowing the manners in which ships sail" 1358508;1451699599;ascii_rear;mno more like su 'wooden ruble' 1358509;1451699599;mircea_popescu;(yes, they tried) 1358510;1451699616;ascii_rear;go spend ruble. on vodka. 1358511;1451699623;ascii_rear;on btc? 1358512;1451699624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15327 @ 0.00050506 = 7.7411 BTC [-] {2} 1358513;1451699651;mircea_popescu;any attempt to do this is merely an exercise at enriching #b-a at public expense. 1358514;1451699706;ascii_rear;only in the same sense that a sinking tanker makes empirestate bldg taller 1358515;1451699721;mircea_popescu;notrly. moscow was pretty fun in the 80s 1358516;1451699727;mircea_popescu;if you were one of the people trading dollars etc. 1358517;1451699731;ascii_rear;(from pov of its deck - yes!) 1358518;1451699738;ascii_rear;aha 1358519;1451699815;ascii_rear;incidentally did ro have these adhoc names for kinds of sov money ? 1358520;1451699822;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358375 << how d'you propose to price the damage to herd immunity? 1358521;1451699822;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 23:28:50; pete_dushenski: but should jimmy also have to pay for the ~actual~ cost of his grade school education just because he didn't get the vaccine ? only if his parents also opted out of taxes, i say, which since this isn't the future, i don't see that also happening (yet) 1358522;1451699827;ascii_rear;(e.g. wooden ruble) 1358523;1451699829;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear ro didn't use sov money. 1358524;1451699844;ascii_rear;well no shit 1358525;1451699848;ascii_rear;but had own 1358526;1451699853;ascii_rear;equally sov 1358527;1451699885;mircea_popescu;ah. notrly, strangely enough. at some point well after it was new/old distinction 1358528;1451699891;ascii_rear;just as eurozone has 'own' bezzlar today 1358529;1451699901;mircea_popescu;but otherwise... the notion that anything ro made would be shit was pervasive, so it was self-obvious 1358530;1451699903;mircea_popescu;people used dm. 1358531;1451699938;ascii_rear;i still recall the gauss head 1358532;1451699961;mircea_popescu;o yeah. gauss ruled trade for a decade. 1358533;1451700008;ascii_rear;parents sold their worldly goodz for gaussheadz 1358534;1451700132;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358429 << holyfuck am i the only one who r 1358535;1451700132;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 01:07:01; lobito: faircoin is a bitcoin-based currency for the faircoop project 1358536;1451700137;ascii_rear;eads it as 1358537;1451700154;ascii_rear;'fair coop' as in... chicken coop 1358538;1451700186;ascii_rear;blew my mind at first 1358539;1451700234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10184 @ 0.00051187 = 5.2129 BTC [+] {3} 1358540;1451700245;mircea_popescu;that's the idea neh ? chicks that don't shave and scrape by a meager existence raising chickens supplemented with gathering trash. it's self-fussicient, provided someone keeps producing trash. 1358541;1451700279;mircea_popescu;as seen in that film, what's it called... 1358542;1451700284;mircea_popescu;easy rider 1358543;1451700307;mircea_popescu;!up lobito 1358544;1451700318;lobito;thanks ^^ 1358545;1451700343;lobito;ascii_rear: chicken coop? i don't get it 1358546;1451700444;lobito;you guys know about worker cooperatives? 1358547;1451700469;lobito;that's the idea behind faircoop :P you have said it earlier 1358548;1451700493;ascii_rear;'fair' is allergenic 1358549;1451700531;lobito;to solve the unjustice of a boss getting rich from overworked employees 1358550;1451700533;ascii_rear;'fair' in my mind means fifty shitsacks moved into my house. no thx. 1358551;1451700535;mircea_popescu;basically a sad, sexless harem organised by beta boys and avoidant/borderline females. 1358552;1451700539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5510 @ 0.00051368 = 2.8304 BTC [+] {2} 1358553;1451700546;lobito;xD 1358554;1451700587;lobito;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative#Argentina 1358555;1451700588;assbot;Worker cooperative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrofTx ) 1358556;1451700603;mircea_popescu;o, you were from argentina right ? 1358557;1451700612;lobito;yup :P 1358558;1451700637;mircea_popescu;can you explain to me what the fuck is wrong with argentines ? there is not a single fucking club in this entire town. 1358559;1451700649;lobito;:O a club as in... 1358560;1451700651;lobito;a disco? 1358561;1451700652;mircea_popescu;is it mental retardation in the young ? 1358562;1451700654;lobito;nightclub? 1358563;1451700660;mircea_popescu;a disco that is the size of a garage. 1358564;1451700669;lobito;but there are! 1358565;1451700676;lobito;i can name you many 1358566;1451700679;mircea_popescu;you know ? whole fucking country has garages the size of discos and otherwise clubs the size of a closet. 1358567;1451700687;mircea_popescu;o really ? like.,,, where. 1358568;1451700708;mircea_popescu;and if you say "luck" in palermo i'm going to fucking shoot you. 1358569;1451700709;*;ben_vulpes catches up to thread tail http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358469 << farmers who don't minimize mortality rates don't last long as farmers. 1358570;1451700709;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 01:17:07; pete_dushenski: i guess that a forced vaccine seems like a pound of flesh too far, but on the other hand, when you already have income tax and sales tax and inflation tax and etc etc. maybe not ? 1358571;1451700712;mircea_popescu;that's the size of a fucking lobby. 1358572;1451700719;lobito;sorry, i got lost 1358573;1451700723;lobito;what's a club again? 1358574;1451700766;mircea_popescu;a club is a space dedicated to sluts being as close as naked as possible and to keeping young cocks of the type that work in co-ops mostly out. it should be no less than 1k sq meters floor surface with no less than two levels. 1358575;1451700782;lobito;xD 1358576;1451700810;mircea_popescu;it should have no less than a dozen tables and a few fuckrooms. etc. 1358577;1451700814;mircea_popescu;you know, A FUCKING CLUB OMFG 1358578;1451700826;lobito;there are many, sadly :P 1358579;1451700832;mircea_popescu;i've yet to find one. 1358580;1451700836;ben_vulpes;heh 1358581;1451700838;lobito;gta style 1358582;1451700851;mircea_popescu;so be specific. 1358583;1451700858;lobito;cocodrilo, esperanto 1358584;1451700866;*;mircea_popescu takes notes. 1358585;1451700898;mircea_popescu;http://www.cocodrilobuenosaires.com/galeria.html << dude for fucks sake. do you know what size this thing is ? 1358586;1451700900;assbot;COCODRILO BUENOS AIRES ::::: SITIO OFICIAL :::: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWMJAZ ) 1358587;1451700905;ben_vulpes;blondie with a great rack took lady v and myself to a mega club when we were there. name completely slips my memory, but it was a giant reggaeton/cumbia shitshow palace. no fuckrooms, all concrete 1358588;1451700910;mircea_popescu;15 x 20 doth not a fucking club make good god. 1358589;1451700923;lobito;here's our new president on one https://laalameda.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/el-mafioso-raul-martins-financio-la-campana-de-mauricio-macri/ 1358590;1451700924;assbot;El mafioso Raúl Martins financió la campaña de Mauricio Macri | "La Alameda" ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWMJ3Z ) 1358591;1451700938;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it was prolly the cheapo thing, salta y brasil. 1358592;1451700944;mircea_popescu;nice place to meet soy farmers i guess. 1358593;1451700975;lobito;her wife does slave labour too 1358594;1451700980;lobito;but on clothing 1358595;1451700991;mircea_popescu;it fucking boggles me. this city has 10x the population of berlin, 0.1% the entertainment venues and this guy actually thinks there "are many" SADLY. 1358596;1451701010;mircea_popescu;gold help it, i hope to hell macri sells the country to the russians wholesale, argentines get massacred and we start over with actual people or something. 1358597;1451701011;lobito;i don't do those places xD 1358598;1451701015;ben_vulpes;los trabajadores indeed 1358599;1451701019;mircea_popescu;you should be ashamed of yourself then. 1358600;1451701020;lobito;so i don't really know 1358601;1451701022;*;ben_vulpes enjoys slumming it 1358602;1451701024;mircea_popescu;right. 1358603;1451701028;lobito;but there are a few famous ones 1358604;1451701056;lobito;(in)famous 1358605;1451701061;mircea_popescu;http://www.cocodrilobuenosaires.com/fotos/data/images/10.jpg << just look at this fucking thing 1358606;1451701063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWMN3A ) 1358607;1451701066;mircea_popescu;it's like i died and went to mobile. 1358608;1451701076;mircea_popescu;lobbes and any of them could fit in a suitcase. 1358609;1451701109;lobito;sorry for being in the third world, i guess? 1358610;1451701115;mircea_popescu;it is SHAMEFUL. 1358611;1451701116;lobito;you should read more history :P 1358612;1451701118;lobito;play less gta 1358613;1451701128;mircea_popescu;no amount of derping around with marchas de las dumbas and misspelling co-ops is going to fix this. 1358614;1451701142;mircea_popescu;requisition some fucking Estacionamentos, make some proper clubs already. it's dehumanizing. 1358615;1451701160;mircea_popescu;i'm not even kidding : nobody can take young argentines seriously. for this reason. 1358616;1451701184;lobito;> dehumanizing 1358617;1451701186;lobito;> pays for sex 1358618;1451701195;mircea_popescu;... 1358619;1451701202;lobito;young argentines such as messi :P 1358620;1451701211;lobito;i hate soccer, btw 1358621;1451701214;lobito;xD 1358622;1451701235;mircea_popescu;messi is a spanish dude that's pretending to not piss on you lot for the endorsements. 1358623;1451701250;mircea_popescu;otherwise... i don't think he'd spit on argentina if it were on fire or something. 1358624;1451701262;lobito;yeah, me neither 1358625;1451701269;lobito;i was kidding :P 1358626;1451701338;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the one thing that boggles my mind the most in all this is that none of them seem to realise that yes there's something fucking wrong with not owning a cocktail dress and spending all your time on netflix. 1358627;1451701393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10370 @ 0.00050334 = 5.2196 BTC [-] 1358628;1451701395;ben_vulpes;how boggle? i didn't notice any l33t doodz in bsas the girls'd dress to the nines for. 1358629;1451701411;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1358630;1451701419;mircea_popescu;that's the other thing. 1358631;1451701492;ben_vulpes;this is also why the hipster girls are shaving their temples when they have otherwise rather nice and well-kempt heads. all the hipster boys work in coffee shops 22 hours/wk, and live in poverty to spend their time touring with 'their band'. 1358632;1451701544;ben_vulpes;this strikes me as a not-half-bad strategy: live in poverty for 9 mos, travel (also in poverty, but looking sooper cool) around fucking the young hotties for 1.5, come home and live on someone's couch looking for the next cafe that needs a warm body. 1358633;1451701549;mircea_popescu;and the most annoying thing about this all is that they fucking had a strongarm regime. 1358634;1451701552;mircea_popescu;it fixed exactly nothing. 1358635;1451701577;mircea_popescu;i can't even recommend that everyone under 30 be beaten weekly in the nude in front of the obelsico until things are fixed. 1358636;1451701593;ben_vulpes;you'd have to clear the grandmothers out first 1358637;1451701633;mircea_popescu;yeah, i've been kinda suspecting the root of the whole mess is that old women actually dare sit by themselves in sidewalk cafes as if they're people or something. 1358638;1451701640;mircea_popescu;that's a sight you don't see in civilised places. 1358639;1451701733;ben_vulpes;surely not enough of them are missing enough children for the economy to fail to require they all take care of the grandkinder... 1358640;1451701734;lobito;> civilised 1358641;1451701734;lobito;> desperate to pay poor women to get laid 1358642;1451701737;lobito;:P 1358643;1451701759;ben_vulpes;!down lobito 1358644;1451701769;mircea_popescu;lobito http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ and relax lol. 1358645;1451701770;assbot;NSFW - Mosu' cu joarda on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Srqw0X ) 1358646;1451701775;mircea_popescu;!up lobito 1358647;1451701788;mircea_popescu;apologies ben_vulpes ima give him a little leeway seeing how i laid into him 1358648;1451701803;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine he's ever been exposed to you know... actual people with actual criteria before. 1358649;1451701836;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i don't think my down even took. 1358650;1451701843;ben_vulpes;assbot said nothing, and i have voice changes turned off. 1358651;1451701847;mircea_popescu;it did say. 1358652;1451701890;ben_vulpes;hm, well run an assperiment with me briefly? imma down him again and see if assbot still doesn't say anything 1358653;1451701894;ben_vulpes;!down lobito 1358654;1451701906;mircea_popescu;* assbot removes voice from lobito 1358655;1451701907;ben_vulpes;!up 1358656;1451701912;ben_vulpes;!up lobito 1358657;1451701917;ben_vulpes;!down lobito 1358658;1451701925;ben_vulpes;kakobrekla: assbot isn't sending down receipts 1358659;1451701927;mircea_popescu;lmao are you working your way up to gunnery sgt ? 1358660;1451701929;ben_vulpes;!up lobito 1358661;1451701943;kakobrekla;what ? it works fine. 1358662;1451701950;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. 1358663;1451701959;kakobrekla;!down ben_vulpes 1358664;1451701965;kakobrekla;now this fails. 1358665;1451701975;mircea_popescu;well it never worked on actual l2 people 1358666;1451701984;kakobrekla;twas a joke. 1358667;1451701994;mircea_popescu;that didn't work either! 1358668;1451701998;kakobrekla;!! 1358669;1451702008;ben_vulpes;-assbot- Need a nickname, ben_vulpes. 1358670;1451702009;ben_vulpes;-assbot- You voiced lobito for 30 minutes. 1358671;1451702009;ben_vulpes;-assbot- You voiced lobito for 30 minutes. 1358672;1451702013;ben_vulpes;^^ last three messages 1358673;1451702032;ben_vulpes;did assbot never do down receipts? 1358674;1451702045;mircea_popescu;oh in pm you mean ? 1358675;1451702050;kakobrekla;i dun think so 1358676;1451702056;ben_vulpes;ah well my mistake then 1358677;1451702074;kakobrekla;it did say -assbot- kakobrekla, you can't do that to ben_vulpes. (Trust: L1 1, L2 17) 1358678;1451702076;kakobrekla;to me 1358679;1451702086;*;ben_vulpes foiled by the universal abhorrence of symmetry in api design 1358680;1451702089;ben_vulpes;again 1358681;1451702174;kakobrekla;i didnt think youd need affirmation for that 1358682;1451702192;ben_vulpes;no, i get that in the mirror every morning 1358683;1451702236;kakobrekla;doesnt happen to me, i get up in the afternoon 1358684;1451702630;ben_vulpes;http://www.almy.us/xlisp.html << apropos of absolutely nothing 1358685;1451702632;assbot;XLISP-PLUS Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrrXN3 ) 1358686;1451702673;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358569 << while the parallel of the more-than-semi-socialist government and the farmer is mostly very apt, a higher mortality rate doesn't have the same downside cost for the former as the latter. the best thing for the usg would be a plague, if only to bring the costs and complexities of managing so much meat into a more (if still ultimately un-)manageable positio 1358687;1451702673;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:11:49; *: ben_vulpes catches up to thread tail http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358469 << farmers who don't minimize mortality rates don't last long as farmers. 1358688;1451702673;pete_dushenski;n 1358689;1451702837;lobito;"Marx's work in economics laid the basis for much of the current understanding of labour and its relation to capital, and subsequent economic thought." 1358690;1451702842;lobito;so, what's your excuse for not having read at least 'the communist manifesto' yet? 1358691;1451702864;*;ben_vulpes off 1358692;1451702868;lobito;it's a classic :P promise it won't turn you into a communist 1358693;1451703042;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358550 << aha. the fear of coming home from war to find yourself in the 'holy cross hospital ? you mean the second reformed hospital' scene from dr. zhivago 1358694;1451703042;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:08:53; ascii_rear: 'fair' in my mind means fifty shitsacks moved into my house. no thx. 1358695;1451703101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00050437 = 10.39 BTC [+] {2} 1358696;1451703265;mircea_popescu;lobbes you have to appreciate that marx is a minor thinker. it's not that people've not read it. it's that his output is about as intellectually important as any other diet guru / expert in expertises. 1358697;1451703271;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358595 << that there's no berghain equivalent in buenos aires is spectacularly strange 1358698;1451703271;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:16:31; mircea_popescu: it fucking boggles me. this city has 10x the population of berlin, 0.1% the entertainment venues and this guy actually thinks there "are many" SADLY. 1358699;1451703294;pete_dushenski;;;seen lobbes 1358700;1451703295;gribble;lobbes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 16 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: wasn't it some 'developmental disability' center? 1358701;1451703325;mircea_popescu;nobody ultimately cares what zig ziggler, karl marx or dale carnegey think. 1358702;1451703340;mircea_popescu;heck i meant lobito not lobbes 1358703;1451703537;lobito;xD 1358704;1451703718;mircea_popescu;how old are you anyway lobito, if you don't mind my asking ? 1358705;1451703781;mircea_popescu;!up lobito 1358706;1451704592;lobito;i'd rather not say, sorry :P 1358707;1451704598;mircea_popescu;aite. 1358708;1451704992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30299 @ 0.00050366 = 15.2604 BTC [-] {4} 1358709;1451705480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28521 @ 0.00050742 = 14.4721 BTC [+] {2} 1358710;1451705596;lobito;gtg 1358711;1451705601;lobito;thanks for the chat ^^ 1358712;1451705656;pete_dushenski;http://fredoneverything.org/expat-mexico-arroz-by-any-other-name-would-smell-like-rice/ 1358713;1451705658;assbot;Expat Mexico: Arróz by Any Other Name Would Smell Like Rice | Fred On Everything ... ( http://bit.ly/1YWaKep ) 1358714;1451705807;pete_dushenski;"A friend’s place in a small gated courtyard, walking distance to pretty much everything, two bedrooms, 750 square feet, Internet and electricity included, $280 a month." << it's ~exactly~ deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder who the fuck pays $500-600 to post a professional job listing on 'monster.com' and 'workopolis.com' 1358715;1451705860;pete_dushenski;must be hr depts with budgets that must be spent, lest they get chopped the following year since they were 'unneeded' the year prior 1358716;1451705882;pete_dushenski;sorta like govs, but not. eg. xerox, home depot, etc. 1358717;1451706090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00050334 = 4.0016 BTC [-] {2} 1358718;1451706334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00051373 = 30.0532 BTC [+] {5} 1358719;1451706779;gabriel_laddel;re, lobito. Kill them all. 1358720;1451706822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00051144 = 7.9017 BTC [-] {2} 1358721;1451706826;gabriel_laddel;The nice thing about the undeveloped east in Ar is that there's plenty of room for concentration camps. 1358722;1451707051;gabriel_laddel;In other idle wonderings, has anyone known a cat (the animal) with a cocaine habit? 1358723;1451707624;gabriel_laddel;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bimborg.htm 1358724;1451707625;assbot;PLASTIC FANTASTIC BIMBORG ... ( http://bit.ly/1TuDedI ) 1358725;1451707649;gabriel_laddel;http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/scribblings.html 1358726;1451707650;assbot;Some non-technical works ... ( http://bit.ly/1TuDhq0 ) 1358727;1451707734;gabriel_laddel;!up samO__ 1358728;1451708652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22453 @ 0.00050424 = 11.3217 BTC [-] {3} 1358729;1451709201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00050334 = 14.5969 BTC [-] {2} 1358730;1451709601;ben_vulpes;raaa 1358731;1451709609;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: around? 1358732;1451710011;ben_vulpes;nm, dug it out of logz. 1358733;1451710640;thestringpuller;ugh all these expired keys is making it impossible to build rotor with the old script 1358734;1451710643;thestringpuller;why is this so painful 1358735;1451710788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00051291 = 10.1043 BTC [-] {3} 1358736;1451710821;mod6;which expired keys? 1358737;1451710844;mod6;alf's? just grab his updated key and replace it in your .wot dir. 1358738;1451710878;thestringpuller;+ gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign 1358739;1451710878;thestringpuller;gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 05:29:39 PM EDT using DSA key ID 59C36319 1358740;1451710881;thestringpuller;gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found 1358741;1451710886;thestringpuller;i have no idea what's causing that 1358742;1451710918;thestringpuller;the only thing that's changed is the keys. i pulled my old .wot directory to new (more sane) macine 1358743;1451711014;mod6;you need to import this public key to you keyring -- there is a comment that outlines the keys you need in the top of the script: 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 1358744;1451711080;thestringpuller;mod6: ???? https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=AB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319&op=index << from where? 1358745;1451711082;mod6;once you've done that, you may wanna clean up and start the build over again. 1358746;1451711125;mod6;just do this `gpg --recv-keys 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319` 1358747;1451711197;thestringpuller;gotcha 1358748;1451711201;thestringpuller;rebuilding 1358749;1451711207;phf;thestringpuller: v and gpg --verify use different mechanisms for key management. pgp uses keyrings, v hides keyrings by using .wot folder to store pubkeys as asc files. so when a key expires, your best option really is to fetch a key somehow (???), import it into gpg's keyring so that --verify works AND save it into .wot 1358750;1451711209;thestringpuller;just trying to see if i get same error as on roberto 1358751;1451711297;thestringpuller;will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire? 1358752;1451711324;mod6;phf the deal here is that the build script tries to verify the pgp sig of buildroot -- which is a process outside of v, so a key needs to be imported directly into the gpg keyring. 1358753;1451711364;phf;thestringpuller: gpg doesn't require that. ascii can update expiration date on the key, republish it, and it'll continue working 1358754;1451711399;phf;so expiration date on key is literally a guard, that has nothing to do with crypto. gpg checks timestamp and bails, but it doesn't need to 1358755;1451711407;mod6;<+thestringpuller> will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire? << no. you'll notice that his fp is the same. 1358756;1451711503;phf;!up ascii_rear 1358757;1451711548;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358684 << l0l!! i have the x 1358758;1451711548;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:43:50; ben_vulpes: http://www.almy.us/xlisp.html << apropos of absolutely nothing 1358759;1451711566;ascii_rear;xlisp manual in 3ring here!! 1358760;1451711597;ascii_rear;brother's, from uni 1358761;1451711631;ascii_rear;was ~the~ msdos almost-commonlisp for years 1358762;1451711665;phf;could probably add a subset of foundation related operations to v, so that staging process uses consistent mechanism (to avoid issues like i have the key in .wot but can't seem to verify??) 1358763;1451711730;ascii_rear;phf: hm? 1358764;1451711786;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358686 << 'lose weight! shed limbs!' 1358765;1451711786;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:44:33; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358569 << while the parallel of the more-than-semi-socialist government and the farmer is mostly very apt, a higher mortality rate doesn't have the same downside cost for the former as the latter. the best thing for the usg would be a plague, if only to bring the costs and complexities of managing so much meat into a more (if still ultimately un-)manage 1358766;1451711888;phf;ascii_rear: ongoing thread about v using .wot for pubkeys, where's gpg --verify on foundation produced files relies on keyring 1358767;1451711921;pete_dushenski;ascii_rear: more like 'lose weight! get non-lethally sick!' 1358768;1451711977;ascii_rear;phf: keyring built by v for the occasion 1358769;1451711984;ascii_rear;deterministically 1358770;1451712007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.00051245 = 5.3561 BTC [-] 1358771;1451712009;ascii_rear;(at least in my original) 1358772;1451712036;phf;yeah, so the case with mod6's version, after a #b-a thread 1358773;1451712059;mod6;there is confusion here. 1358774;1451712131;mod6;buiroot is not v-ifiable. so in the rotor+TEST2 build script it was decided (in here) that we should check the hashes and the signatures. 1358775;1451712144;mod6; *buildroot 1358776;1451712175;mod6;so that is checked independently of V. what V does is a whole separate ball of wax. 1358777;1451712425;mod6;anyway, this is all changing anyway. 1358778;1451712820;phf;i understand all that, and i was explaining that there's no conceptual integrity to it, as it stands. we have a .wot folder which is supposed to be a manually curated folder of .asc files. there were a few threads where mp and ascii argued that the folder should not be generated automatically (no sks or pre packaged tar files). so if one wants to build a rotor they need a .wot folder with pubkeys of all the foundation 1358779;1451712820;phf;contributors. an obvious next step is to have a gpg --verify buildroot.sig rely on the contents of .wot folder, by, for example, making a temp directory, doing a for pubkey in .wot/*.asc; do gpg --homedir $tmpdir --import $pubkey; done, then doing gpg --homedir $tmpdir --verify foo.sig; then rm -rf $tmpdir. this way a .wot folder is a canonical source of pubkeys always and for all operations 1358780;1451712836;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358714 << see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357362 1358781;1451712836;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 03:36:47; pete_dushenski: "A friend’s place in a small gated courtyard, walking distance to pretty much everything, two bedrooms, 750 square feet, Internet and electricity included, $280 a month." << it's ~exactly~ deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder who the fuck pays $500-600 to post a professional job listing on 'monster.com' and 'workopolis.com' 1358782;1451712836;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 15:26:10; asciilifeform: 'american is never given money, he is merely shown it and allowed to hold in his hands for a spell to be reminded that it exists' 1358783;1451712926;ascii_rear;that house only costs 280/mo ~because you can't buy it~ 1358784;1451712949;ascii_rear;for most values of 'you' 1358785;1451712972;ascii_rear;!s gradient 1358786;1451712973;assbot;22 results for 'gradient' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gradient 1358787;1451713095;ascii_rear;if there were any danger of usaschwitz inmates escaping on masse to this, lizards would print enough bezzlars to bid'em up to washington price - like in b-a. 1358788;1451713114;ascii_rear;*en masse 1358789;1451713226;pete_dushenski;aha. "i told mama i'd be a millionaire someday!" says guy with "home equity" and "registered retirement account". so there he stays. 1358790;1451713288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37640 @ 0.00051364 = 19.3334 BTC [+] {3} 1358791;1451713306;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358739 << buildroot is not v-ified, so why do we have the dsa shitkey in there ?? 1358792;1451713306;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 05:01:18; thestringpuller: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 05:29:39 PM EDT using DSA key ID 59C36319 1358793;1451713351;mod6;its just the guys key. 1358794;1451713356;phf;!up ascii_rear 1358795;1451713357;mod6;!up assbot 1358796;1451713359;mod6;f 1358797;1451713361;phf;:D 1358798;1451713374;ascii_rear;mod6: who? 1358799;1451713388;phf;gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard " imported 1358800;1451713398;ascii_rear;ah 1358801;1451713402;mod6;anyway, yeah, this is the build script that I created for testing the build of 'rotor', TEST2, and the static binary. 1358802;1451713411;mod6;it's gonna be going away. 1358803;1451713430;ascii_rear;thing we really need is deterministic binary 1358804;1451713442;ascii_rear;but this is a mega-puzzler 1358805;1451713453;ascii_rear;gotta decruft gcc. 1358806;1451713495;ascii_rear;it has to be: same src?? ---> this here bin 1358807;1451713513;ascii_rear;built wherever, on nintendo, on cray. 1358808;1451713715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13860 @ 0.00050767 = 7.0363 BTC [-] {2} 1358809;1451713731;phf;what i meant is something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/304383. of course each execution of script creates a fresh gnupg keys folder, imports the wot, import from sks if we're going that way, does the operation, kills the gnupg folder 1358810;1451713732;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/22Dem9O ) 1358811;1451713770;ascii_rear;fuck sks 1358812;1451713801;ascii_rear;keys oughta be used consciously 1358813;1451713821;ascii_rear;as in, with awareness of what all of the pgpdump fields are, yes 1358814;1451714974;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid. 1358815;1451715179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050448 = 8.1221 BTC [-] {2} 1358816;1451715240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.00050798 = 2.7639 BTC [+] {2} 1358817;1451715484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00051409 = 11.5156 BTC [+] {3} 1358818;1451716399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00051263 = 6.2797 BTC [-] {3} 1358819;1451717009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00051452 = 12.9659 BTC [+] {2} 1358820;1451717741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051453 = 3.6532 BTC [+] 1358821;1451719754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00050877 = 14.3982 BTC [-] {3} 1358822;1451720059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00050717 = 14.4036 BTC [-] {2} 1358823;1451720303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00050462 = 16.1983 BTC [-] {5} 1358824;1451722377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24561 @ 0.00050456 = 12.3925 BTC [-] {3} 1358825;1451723231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00050795 = 2.108 BTC [+] {2} 1358826;1451724146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00051074 = 1.2002 BTC [+] 1358827;1451724290;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358457 << Can't trust a guy who gets high off of his own farts 1358828;1451724290;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 01:14:53; lobito: this is enric duran, founder of faircoop, if anyone's interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enric_Duran 1358829;1451725447;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/glW0e and https://archive.is/Rsyxd 1358830;1451725448;assbot;Linode Under DDoS Since Christmas - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I7Wm ) 1358831;1451725449;assbot;Linode Status ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I6BX ) 1358832;1451725671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00050334 = 16.2579 BTC [-] {2} 1358833;1451725854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00050474 = 1.4133 BTC [+] {2} 1358834;1451726098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15668 @ 0.00050334 = 7.8863 BTC [-] {2} 1358835;1451726220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00050271 = 15.4835 BTC [-] {4} 1358836;1451727135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8928 @ 0.00050123 = 4.475 BTC [-] {2} 1358837;1451727446;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/fXaDEq.png 1358838;1451727446;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R34KRH ) 1358839;1451727646;BingoBoingo;lol http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/#comment-116123 1358840;1451727647;assbot;The unhappy new years, or look at the difference a decade makes! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFO44l ) 1358841;1451728172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00050123 = 11.3779 BTC [-] 1358842;1451729270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46991 @ 0.00050555 = 23.7563 BTC [+] {3} 1358843;1451730246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00050326 = 9.1593 BTC [-] {2} 1358844;1451731100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00050109 = 7.9172 BTC [-] {2} 1358845;1451733052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.0005011 = 13.1539 BTC [+] {2} 1358846;1451733662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050643 = 11.3947 BTC [+] {3} 1358847;1451735370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00050264 = 2.5383 BTC [-] 1358848;1451737444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050179 = 2.1326 BTC [-] 1358849;1451737566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00050087 = 16.7541 BTC [-] {4} 1358850;1451738969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7596 @ 0.00050082 = 3.8042 BTC [-] 1358851;1451739701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00050079 = 9.0643 BTC [-] {3} 1358852;1451740250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15665 @ 0.00049865 = 7.8114 BTC [-] {2} 1358853;1451740425;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358697 << and to add insult to injury, all sorts of internet knownothings keep going on and on about buenos aires "night life". da fuck on a stick, akron, ohio with its concrete statue of a corn field has more of a night life. 1358854;1451740425;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:54:31; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358595 << that there's no berghain equivalent in buenos aires is spectacularly strange 1358855;1451741155;BingoBoingo;!up Alopex 1358856;1451742265;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-01-2016#1358361 << "skeptic"? I don't recall ever denying neither the existence of the exchange nor the fun and [potential] profit of judicious trades 1358857;1451742265;assbot;Logged on 01-01-2016 23:09:07; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/08/s-mpoe-traders-delight/ << hey adlai, you're not the only mpoe/mpex skeptic anymore. the validating power of teh crowd is yours at long last. 1358858;1451742690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29745 @ 0.00049743 = 14.7961 BTC [-] {4} 1358859;1451743139;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://imgur.com/gallery/si6CCcT 1358860;1451743140;assbot;Well, that escalated from last year... - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1YVRkvm ) 1358861;1451743236;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358722 << yes. 1358862;1451743236;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 03:57:31; gabriel_laddel: In other idle wonderings, has anyone known a cat (the animal) with a cocaine habit? 1358863;1451743237;mircea_popescu;!up okcupiddude 1358864;1451743264;okcupiddude;Hi mircea 1358865;1451743270;okcupiddude;Why are we on irc? 1358866;1451743273;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358733 << "expiring" keys are a bad fucking idea, for the record. 1358867;1451743273;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 04:57:20; thestringpuller: ugh all these expired keys is making it impossible to build rotor with the old script 1358868;1451743283;mircea_popescu;okcupiddude you must have wanted to talk to me about something ? 1358869;1451743317;okcupiddude;Yeah, i saw that you are a businessman, an so am i 1358870;1451743339;mircea_popescu;o ? what business do you do ? 1358871;1451743344;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1358872;1451743350;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.05, vol: 3008.50145244 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 430.065, vol: 3035.16356 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.59, vol: 8964.48982204 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 426.0, vol: 2.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 436.224, vol: 31673.12700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 431.53, vol: 12.28704868 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.526099989, vol: 27.6955239 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1358873;1451743352;BingoBoingo;;;more 1358874;1451743352;gribble;434.599574614 1358875;1451743356;okcupiddude;We can get together in istanbul if you are in istanbul and talk abiut what potential businesses we can conduct togetger 1358876;1451743365;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --currency rmb 1358877;1451743366;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1358878;1451743368;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c baby the btcalpha is down what do we do! halp! plox! 1358879;1451743369;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1358880;1451743379;mircea_popescu;okcupiddude i am in buenos aires. 1358881;1451743392;mircea_popescu;tho it's true that i tend to make istanbul the hub of all my travels. that city rocks. 1358882;1451743408;kakobrekla;btcalpha is online from here 1358883;1451743409;*;adlai is able to load btcalpha - charts, webs, the works 1358884;1451743410;okcupiddude;Dude i am that city 1358885;1451743422;mircea_popescu;o. my bad. fuck dns with a stick. 1358886;1451743433;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c thanks for fixing it so fast. AAA+ service would buy again. 1358887;1451743433;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1358888;1451743450;okcupiddude;Lets continye through email, shoot me an email you have it 1358889;1451743455;okcupiddude;I am out 1358890;1451743459;BingoBoingo;email sucks 1358891;1451743470;mircea_popescu;i don't do private chats with people i don't know. you want to talk about something, this is the venue. 1358892;1451743633;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358754 << technically speaking, "expiration" is a cheap forking mechanism. it shouldn't be there, it's just a hook for future trouble. 1358893;1451743633;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 05:09:59; phf: so expiration date on key is literally a guard, that has nothing to do with crypto. gpg checks timestamp and bails, but it doesn't need to 1358894;1451743647;mircea_popescu;if gpg were just released today we'd suspect the nsa impacted that stupid design 1358895;1451743721;mircea_popescu;this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that. 1358896;1451743727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00049873 = 8.2814 BTC [+] {2} 1358897;1451743781;mircea_popescu;the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science. 1358898;1451744014;mircea_popescu;(contract elongation is a direct result of the channel trying to fight against noise in "out of band" communication. take that away, you're golden) 1358899;1451744337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00050127 = 14.3864 BTC [+] {3} 1358900;1451744703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00050179 = 3.2205 BTC [+] 1358901;1451745024;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358865 <<< kek. And good morning #b-a 1358902;1451745024;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 14:01:10; okcupiddude: Why are we on irc? 1358903;1451745037;mircea_popescu;hola. 1358904;1451745040;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358803 << myeah. 1358905;1451745040;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:50; ascii_rear: thing we really need is deterministic binary 1358906;1451745070;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else. 1358907;1451745070;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 05:44:55; ascii_rear: it has to be: same src?? ---> this here bin 1358908;1451745097;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358814 << hm ? 1358909;1451745097;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 06:09:34; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid. 1358910;1451745130;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358830 << fuck them, bunch of twerps. linode has no place in the world. 1358911;1451745130;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 09:04:08; assbot: Linode Under DDoS Since Christmas - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I7Wm ) 1358912;1451745188;mircea_popescu;"For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific, the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks.For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific, 1358913;1451745188;mircea_popescu;the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks." 1358914;1451745190;mircea_popescu;oooo right. 1358915;1451745358;mircea_popescu;;;ud catfished 1358916;1451745359;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catfished | Having a fake facebook profile, images and avatar in order to lure people to have romantic feelings. They are then catfished when the victim realises the person ... 1358917;1451745369;mircea_popescu;mmmmkay... 1358918;1451745382;mircea_popescu;so basically, "traditional marriage" is now called "being catfished" ? 1358919;1451745479;BingoBoingo;parts of it 1358920;1451745740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29149 @ 0.00049767 = 14.5066 BTC [-] {4} 1358921;1451745744;punkman;http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/57466-Mad-Max-The-Sandiest-Sand-Box 1358922;1451745984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9865 @ 0.00050178 = 4.9501 BTC [+] {2} 1358923;1451746181;punkman;"The sandbox games has now become what the 3rd-person shooter was not too long ago, the default setting that tends to get rolled out for generic action games after the creative team have sat around a blank whiteboard all morning and started hankering for an early lunch." 1358924;1451746226;mircea_popescu;aha 1358925;1451746228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.00050294 = 38.5755 BTC [+] {4} 1358926;1451746455;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm okcupid-famous now. 1358927;1451746676;mod6;"get the fuck outta my mailbox or else!" 1358928;1451746679;mod6;or else what? 1358929;1451746682;shinohai;I very much enjoyed the recent Trilema article 1358930;1451746697;*;shinohai likes trolling dommes as well. 1358931;1451746759;mircea_popescu;o ? 1358932;1451746960;BingoBoingo;How does okcupid famous compare to fetlife famous? 1358933;1451746980;mircea_popescu;about 50lbs less average weight. 1358934;1451747056;mircea_popescu;lemme tell you - after a decade of "the tallest, the slimest, the hottest chicks at the bdsm party are the ones you brought" it gets fucking old. 1358935;1451747080;mircea_popescu;no idea how all these fucktards expect anyone to take them seriously. "oh, i'm a master, that's my slave" 1358936;1451747099;BingoBoingo;aha 1358937;1451747102;mircea_popescu;really, bitch ? if she were your slave she wouldn't bmi over 40 ffs. 1358938;1451747116;mircea_popescu;cage her and feed her lemon water till xmas. 1358939;1451747264;mod6;real subs like the cage! 1358940;1451747275;mircea_popescu;word. 1358941;1451747324;shinohai;This one caught my eye because she has recently discovered cryptocurrency it appears: https://twitter.com/casslechat 1358942;1451747325;assbot;La Reine (@casslechat) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzUPMV ) 1358943;1451747339;mircea_popescu;so tell her to sell her tits. 1358944;1451747352;shinohai;Has a smattering of btctalk posts as well, with feminist tones 1358945;1451747420;BingoBoingo;feminist is just a code word for boys insecure about their penis 1358946;1451747426;mod6;feminism: our specialty 1358947;1451747440;mircea_popescu;more like ... boys secure about their penis (it dun work), ready to please in othar ways. 1358948;1451747476;BingoBoingo;ic 1358949;1451747505;shinohai;I sent her a PM and told her she should come here and show her tits for 0.1. Obviously no reply. 1358950;1451747509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050377 = 7.6069 BTC [+] 1358951;1451747527;mircea_popescu;next time give out teh link. 1358952;1451747538;shinohai;I linked to the trilema article 1358953;1451747556;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : woman that would die to defend her clothes put among a dozen nude damsels will cast off every last stitch like it were radioactive) 1358954;1451747567;mircea_popescu;a. then who knows. 1358955;1451747622;shinohai;Probably too "dominant" to let guyz see her naked, i.e. an instadomme 1358956;1451747647;mircea_popescu;eh, dommes domme topless anyway. 1358957;1451747661;mircea_popescu;there's no good equivalent of boots for the chest. 1358958;1451747704;mircea_popescu;could go full corset, but given the... rotund quality of most dommes it's too constrictive an' they faint. usually go for demis if at all. 1358959;1451747880;BingoBoingo;"Romania is not a country most people would associate with Bitcoin or digital currency right away" >> https://archive.is/8oH79 1358960;1451747882;assbot;Things Are Not Adding Up For BitcoinXRomania - The Merkle ... ( http://bit.ly/1YW3TXF ) 1358961;1451747893;mircea_popescu;lol. mkay. 1358962;1451747997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10581 @ 0.00050377 = 5.3304 BTC [+] 1358963;1451748112;shinohai;J.P. Buntinx, " one of the world's leading freelance Bitcoin writers" 1358964;1451748127;mircea_popescu;who ?! 1358965;1451748151;kakobrekla;buttnix 1358966;1451748159;BingoBoingo;^ 1358967;1451748182;BingoBoingo;He's written for just about all the crap outlets except coindesk 1358968;1451748202;mircea_popescu;what's his expert sex change profile ? 1358969;1451748252;BingoBoingo;I dunno that. Think he's visited here once 1358970;1451748258;BingoBoingo;!s jpbuntix 1358971;1451748258;assbot;0 results for 'jpbuntix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jpbuntix 1358972;1451748280;mircea_popescu;anyway. never heard of him, but whatevs. 1358973;1451748303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00050377 = 9.6472 BTC [+] 1358974;1451748424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00049883 = 16.3616 BTC [-] {2} 1358975;1451748689;mod6;<+kakobrekla> buttnix << lel 1358976;1451748712;mod6;gentoo clone 1358977;1451748755;BingoBoingo;Wait, I though buttnix was a closed IBM AnusIX distro 1358978;1451749195;punkman;https://twitter.com/casslechat/status/683158602534653952 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=957797.0 1358979;1451749199;assbot;[ANN] Spells of Genesis - Innovating the Game Economy with BitCrystals (BCY) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXq5II ) 1358980;1451749307;punkman;I dunno how any of this makes sense 1358981;1451749475;shinohai;Spells of Genesis - another Erik Voorhees production. 1358982;1451750167;mod6;!up ascii_rear 1358983;1451750180;mircea_popescu;punkman not enough crystals in your soda! 1358984;1451750193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050376 = 8.1105 BTC [+] {2} 1358985;1451750227;*;mircea_popescu is too lazy to read tardstalk 1358986;1451750238;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358906 << how? recall that we already have cross-compilation 1358987;1451750238;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 14:31:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else. 1358988;1451750254;mircea_popescu;if i knew how i'd be an engineer 1358989;1451750283;mircea_popescu;instead i'm stuck here sifting through folders with 19yosluts and urgent business proposals from dudes in quatar. 1358990;1451750304;ascii_rear;just need to patch gcc to stop it from taking local paths shits into the binary 1358991;1451750325;mircea_popescu;this would technically create trb-gcc wouldn't it 1358992;1451750330;ascii_rear;aha 1358993;1451750338;mircea_popescu;as they're not going to import it and well... aha. 1358994;1451750349;ascii_rear;long past time. 1358995;1451750374;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna be trb-gcc maintainer ? 1358996;1451750393;ascii_rear;i still can't fathom who and why thought the pollution was justifiable. 1358997;1451750408;ascii_rear;it will prolly have to be me... 1358998;1451750423;mircea_popescu;well... giving love a chance over here. 1358999;1451750453;ascii_rear;(anybody else here on speaking terms with gcc guts? pkease raise yer hand!) 1359000;1451750498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00049826 = 28.9987 BTC [-] {3} 1359001;1451750558;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358895 << i'd like to hear moar re: this 1359002;1451750558;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 14:08:41; mircea_popescu: this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that. 1359003;1451750636;mircea_popescu;let's. 1359004;1451750684;mircea_popescu;best phrase some sort of objection or something tho, to establish a common ground somewhere. 1359005;1451750718;mircea_popescu;bar that i guess i'll have to go into an analysis of contracting legal theory. 1359006;1451750730;ascii_rear;mostly that i'm not grasping how in- vs out- of band thread ties in here 1359007;1451750752;mircea_popescu;ok, let's try this : 1359008;1451750769;mircea_popescu;suppose a world composed of three thinking agents, A, B and C. 1359009;1451750775;mircea_popescu;situation 1 : single band. 1359010;1451750820;mircea_popescu;A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y". 1359011;1451750856;mircea_popescu;in this situation as described, A can make a determination ~without~ A having to be human. it's what you'd call a "strict" determination. 1359012;1451750862;mircea_popescu;situation 2 : two bands. 1359013;1451750870;mircea_popescu;A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y". 1359014;1451750889;mircea_popescu;EXTRA STEP BECAUSE FUCKING STUPID MULTIBANDS!!!1! C now confronts B about A's contract. 1359015;1451750906;ascii_rear;concretize the meaning of bands here plz 1359016;1451750921;mircea_popescu;IF (YET ANOTHER EXTRA STEP!!11!) B responds that A's contract should be "set aside" (WHAT ?!?!) because "the law" (2nd band) says that bla bla, 1359017;1451750930;mircea_popescu;A can no longer make a determination. at fucking all. 1359018;1451750940;mircea_popescu;so they need to add D the judge and fucking hell we're back to what we were fixing. 1359019;1451750964;ascii_rear;btw this is an instance of 'funarg problem' 1359020;1451750973;mircea_popescu;right. 1359021;1451750987;mircea_popescu;imagine for a moment gpg ran the bitcoin. 1359022;1451750992;mircea_popescu;"expired" keys ? really ? 1359023;1451750994;ascii_rear;in that universe, it is solved. the solution, in this one, is: 1359024;1451751001;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you want to add another band! it's suicide, obviously. 1359025;1451751012;ascii_rear;static linking of the whole relevant body of law into the contract 1359026;1451751021;ascii_rear;is this practiced anywhere? 1359027;1451751037;mircea_popescu;no, because for THIS REASON the body of law can not be statically compiled. 1359028;1451751044;mircea_popescu;too god damned many bands 1359029;1451751056;mircea_popescu;because someone somewhere told idiots that the solution to imponderable problems is to add "tagging". 1359030;1451751062;ascii_rear;and ianal but meat law contracts often include time 1359031;1451751077;mircea_popescu;time is irrelevant here and can be deemed as part of the explicitation of "X" 1359032;1451751120;ascii_rear;this is the part that confuses me 1359033;1451751126;mircea_popescu;go on ? 1359034;1451751139;ascii_rear;why 'time is irrelevant' ? 1359035;1451751150;mircea_popescu;because i did not include it in my discussion. 1359036;1451751161;mircea_popescu;when following an example you can only reference objects the author included. 1359037;1451751197;ascii_rear;thread was originally 'timestamps in pgp considered harmful' iirc 1359038;1451751220;mircea_popescu;the problem with timestamps is not related to time 1359039;1451751229;mircea_popescu;but to that they purport to convey information other than the key itself. 1359040;1451751235;mircea_popescu;that's what makes them 2nd channel. 1359041;1451751266;mircea_popescu;and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them. 1359042;1451751278;ascii_rear;let's take another key field... name of owner. also irrelevant? 1359043;1451751297;ascii_rear;or is it a useful signed expression of intent when key was made 1359044;1451751364;ascii_rear;name also cannot be enforced - conceivably someone could distribute a key with name field stripped 1359045;1451751402;mod6;its just a number, how can a name be relevant? 1359046;1451751543;ascii_rear;signed statement associating a memorable human name with the signing modulus 1359047;1451751559;mod6;doesn't matter 1359048;1451751683;ascii_rear;i can see a case for 'modulus only' key 1359049;1451751801;ascii_rear;but the problem with discarding the notion of time entirely is that enemy can subject you to endless replay attack 1359050;1451751833;ascii_rear;taking your old output and presenting it to anybody he can get to, as your latest 1359051;1451752022;mircea_popescu;name of owner is user-provided anyway. 1359052;1451752027;mircea_popescu;you for instance are "stas" 1359053;1451752029;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1359054;1451752074;mircea_popescu;and note that the discussion wasn't "time is for all time and in all contexts irrelevant". 1359055;1451752104;mircea_popescu;the discussion was that in the specific context of "key expiraton" the "time" part is not terribly relevant for our discussion of multiband. merely the fact that there's another band ductaped on. 1359056;1451752313;ascii_rear;the statement 'anybody signing with this key after $condition is an impostor' is usefully machine-readable 1359057;1451752328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00049726 = 11.437 BTC [-] {2} 1359058;1451752329;ascii_rear;unless i catastrophically misunderstand something 1359059;1451752329;mircea_popescu;sure, but that'd be a contract, in-band. 1359060;1451752350;mircea_popescu;not a "wait, band2 says this key is no longer good so you gotta consider this when looking in band now!11" 1359061;1451752370;ascii_rear;ok so it turns out that mircea_popescu is simply insisting on 'p' !! 1359062;1451752381;mircea_popescu;well... a certain design principle at any rate. 1359063;1451752392;mircea_popescu;so.. P :D 1359064;1451752393;ascii_rear;where all rules re: a key are expressed INSIDE the key 1359065;1451752398;ascii_rear;aha. 1359066;1451752401;mircea_popescu;not just. 1359067;1451752426;mircea_popescu;"all rules re a key are expressed inside a key such that being ignored breaks the whole thing" 1359068;1451752433;ascii_rear;aha! 1359069;1451752435;ascii_rear;p. 1359070;1451752452;mircea_popescu;and if there isn't a way for your "rule" to be made to satisfy this, a) it's not a rule and b) shut up and do some meditation, you're verging on stupid. 1359071;1451752463;ascii_rear;protocol vs promise 1359072;1451752466;mircea_popescu;quite. 1359073;1451752474;ascii_rear;we had a good thread re: this 1359074;1451752486;ascii_rear;!s protocol promise 1359075;1451752487;assbot;12 results for 'protocol promise' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=protocol+promise 1359076;1451752508;mircea_popescu;this is really the revolution bitcoin brought about. 1359077;1451752528;mircea_popescu;people think it's a major breakthrough in money, but that's doubtful. it is however a string of major breakthroughs in systems theory. 1359078;1451752565;ascii_rear;that's what drew me in intellectually at any rate 1359079;1451752690;ascii_rear;the very sweet lure of zapping 'buluceala' 1359080;1451752697;mircea_popescu;hahahaha 1359081;1451752708;mircea_popescu;o great. that may be the happiest that word's ever been. 1359082;1451752725;ascii_rear;it was in a mircea_popescu article 1359083;1451752735;ascii_rear;let's see... 1359084;1451752741;mircea_popescu;very nicely used. you are now a honorary native romanian speaker. 1359085;1451752759;ascii_rear;http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine 1359086;1451752761;assbot;Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VwFdQ7 ) 1359087;1451752825;ascii_rear;anyway we need a nice sweet opposite 1359088;1451752829;mircea_popescu;ftr, it comes from tk, blk - with a very latin -ala tacked on. 1359089;1451752829;ascii_rear;ordnung? 1359090;1451752834;mircea_popescu;nah, too german. 1359091;1451752840;ascii_rear;organon. 1359092;1451752849;mircea_popescu;suggests this weakass order that has to be maintained by barking weinerschnitzels. 1359093;1451752859;ascii_rear;l0llz! 1359094;1451752860;mircea_popescu;yeah, organon, cosmos, something. 1359095;1451752870;ascii_rear;novum organon ftw 1359096;1451752920;mircea_popescu;if i ever write a book about nazi camps etc, the evil guy's dogs are gonna be named ordnung ^ disziplin 1359097;1451752988;*;ascii_rear pictures barking, snarling wienerschnitzel... sausage 1359098;1451753104;mircea_popescu;lol 1359099;1451753225;*;ascii_rear bbl. 1359100;1451753487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00049726 = 12.7547 BTC [-] 1359101;1451753731;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: re: quests << I think the quests you were thinking of in regards to Eulora logs are grind quests which contribute nothing to the gameplay but dungeon crawling/grinding. Get X something by killing Y something. But complex quests that add story are kinda key to singleplayer games. Be it robbing banks in GTA and listening to characters talk in the car; finding your son in Fallout 4; or finding your family in Red De 1359102;1451753890;mircea_popescu;i was mostly thinking of wow. 1359103;1451753899;mircea_popescu;which for some reason everyone decided to copy for a while there. 1359104;1451753970;deedbot-;[Qntra] 7 Month Investigation Catches Alleged Refund Fraudsters - http://qntra.net/2016/01/7-month-investigation-catches-alleged-refund-fraudsters/ 1359105;1451753975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20485 @ 0.00049965 = 10.2353 BTC [+] {2} 1359106;1451754140;thestringpuller;well Blizzard is known for turning games into digital crack of some sort. some people get highly addicted despite how shitty the game is and stay hooked for years. It's not really a viable gameplay model, more just "here is some crack have fun". 1359107;1451754402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00049966 = 2.3509 BTC [+] 1359108;1451754494;BingoBoingo;No matter how much hair is lost to polishing trb, let us all be thankful trb will nevar have these solutions: https://archive.is/a48Ko 1359109;1451754495;assbot;Arch Linux with cinnamon : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6QZlq ) 1359110;1451754617;thestringpuller;"Since 0.11B we have added systemd init scripts to make sure that the node will be started and auto-restarted if you reboot. The systemd bitcoinxtd.service registers the XT based daemon for autostart." 1359111;1451755744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00049876 = 2.1197 BTC [-] 1359112;1451755796;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358897 << amen, especially to the contracting bit. 1359113;1451755796;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 14:09:41; mircea_popescu: the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science. 1359114;1451755831;*;ben_vulpes is cobbling together some grep and sed as we speak to ease the pain of handling fiatland contracts 1359115;1451755880;*;ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' 1359116;1451755883;ben_vulpes;mind = blown 1359117;1451755911;ben_vulpes;alternatively, comparing documents manually. 1359118;1451755950;ben_vulpes;;;later tell adlai is there really something to learn in #joinmarket? 1359119;1451755950;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1359120;1451756345;adlai;it's moderately documented in the code itself and on github. if you want to learn from belcher why he tangled the spaghetti just so, lurk around until he shows up 1359121;1451756408;fluffypony;http://themerkle.com/news/things-are-not-adding-up-for-bitcoinxromania/ 1359122;1451756410;assbot;Things Are Not Adding Up For BitcoinXRomania - The Merkle ... ( http://bit.ly/1kAx0gd ) 1359123;1451756412;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359041 << while in theory there is no way to enforce them in practice there is no alternative to the gpg c-ball, and so therefore similarly to how the thing resists librarification it also enforces key expiration. until mpex doesn't respect key expiration, it /is/ enforced. 1359124;1451756412;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 16:14:26; mircea_popescu: and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them. 1359125;1451756448;ben_vulpes;adlai: i might understand how it works, but i thought there might be...learning to had lurking over there. 1359126;1451756455;ben_vulpes;*additional* learning. 1359127;1451756476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00049742 = 7.1002 BTC [-] 1359128;1451756478;*;adlai considers it one of the higher SNR #bitcoin-channels 1359129;1451756545;ben_vulpes;well with bandwidth like that any noise at all would snipe it from the list 1359130;1451756567;adlai;it's much sleepier than this place, there have been ~weeks with pretty much no activity 1359131;1451757208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00049749 = 9.2036 BTC [+] {2} 1359132;1451759420;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin block reward halving on or before 20 July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1182/bitcoin-block-reward-halving-on-or-before-20/#b10 1359133;1451759422;ben_vulpes;"And in the 20th century there were more and more college graduates. They increased from about 2% of the population in 1900 to about 25% in 2000." << if this is true, it definitely explains the PITA that "college educated" people are in the states. 1359134;1451759505;ben_vulpes;a thing once a hallmark of literally the 98th percentile is now distributed to more-or-less all comers, but the education is now 90% training people to demand the respect such a diploma'd have warranted in the 1900s and 10% intersectional triggering studies 1359135;1451759526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00049764 = 6.0214 BTC [+] 1359136;1451759573;ben_vulpes;leading to a great fuckton of "this corporate document is insufficiently sensitive to groups x y and z, and even though i'm not a part of any of them the corp must now change these docs or else what have i wasted the past n years of my life on anyways" 1359137;1451759601;ben_vulpes;uno minimo respeto por la concern troll! 1359138;1451759646;*;ben_vulpes extremely fucking loath to hire us degree holders under the age of forty 1359139;1451759770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00049747 = 10.1981 BTC [-] {3} 1359140;1451760310;mircea_popescu;* ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke. 1359141;1451760412;mircea_popescu;fucking word ben_vulpes 1359142;1451760418;ben_vulpes;mother 1359143;1451760419;ben_vulpes;fucking 1359144;1451760420;ben_vulpes;word 1359145;1451760429;ben_vulpes;you know what the absolute cherry on top is? 1359146;1451760434;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1359147;1451760470;ben_vulpes;a PDF with changes conveniently color coded underlined and colorized to highlight moved text, removed text, added text and umpteen other categories of change. 1359148;1451760485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my pleasure to inform you 256gb. have fun. 1359149;1451760508;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes every now and again some politico gets in hot water for submitting a "dirty" document 1359150;1451760513;mircea_popescu;(ie, with changes still included) 1359151;1451760547;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc 1359152;1451760548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UmOk4w ) 1359153;1451760551;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1359154;1451760739;punkman;mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke. << which country does not use Word? 1359155;1451760840;ben_vulpes;b,tmsr~ 1359156;1451760866;thestringpuller;!b 2 1359157;1451760867;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3SH7N5R.txt ) 1359158;1451760867;BingoBoingo;locally I hear Wordperfect is rather popular 1359159;1451760887;mircea_popescu;punkman which country's derpage about "sovereignity" and you know, generally being a state isn't a joke ? 1359160;1451760889;ben_vulpes;i've never seen contracts around here run anywhere near what bezzlelandia contracts do 1359161;1451760902;punkman;signed vdiffs would be a good solution for contract changes btw 1359162;1451760908;mircea_popescu;quite. 1359163;1451760916;mircea_popescu;v is a universal solution for many problems. 1359164;1451760929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049833 = 13.4549 BTC [+] {3} 1359165;1451760933;mircea_popescu;right off the top of my head : both medical diagnostics and inventory management should be run off v. 1359166;1451760951;mircea_popescu;imagine a supermarket with v inventory management. fully fucking auditable! 1359167;1451760956;mircea_popescu;"who signed for this going out ?" 1359168;1451760994;*;mircea_popescu foresees a juicy consulting future for the overhaul of fiat world towards v-dom 1359169;1451761018;ben_vulpes;no but no but we'll do inventory in the blockchain meerka 1359170;1451761033;mircea_popescu;yaya 1359171;1451761041;ben_vulpes;but not the bitcoin blockchain that's sacred or something so i have a new one 1359172;1451761050;ben_vulpes;supplychain 1359173;1451761051;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: but if it's not on the blockchain!!!!11111 1359174;1451761067;thestringpuller;why does everyone want to write everything to the blockchain... 1359175;1451761096;mircea_popescu;why did everyone in the 70s wear those idiotic bellbottoms ? what the fuck is with 80s hair ? how come every woman on okcupid today is bisexual ? 1359176;1451761101;mircea_popescu;;;google kink high 1359177;1451761102;gribble;Kink High Rise Stem at Dan's Comp: ; Kink BMX – Highrise: ; Martin Luther King High School / Homepage: 1359178;1451761107;mircea_popescu;pff 1359179;1451761110;thestringpuller;LOL 1359180;1451761139;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: come on bellbottoms were cool af 1359181;1451761157;mircea_popescu;you'\re thinking of the hot asses that'd have looked hot if dressed in mud. 1359182;1451761195;thestringpuller;I guess so, I love being at work and seeing chicks in those skinny jeans. 1359183;1451761206;thestringpuller;but i guess beign slathered in mud would be just as good. 1359184;1451761425;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how come every woman on okcupid today is bisexual ? << i thought that every girl born after 1990 was bisexual. 1359185;1451761436;mircea_popescu;seems more like 85 1359186;1451761444;BingoBoingo; but not the bitcoin blockchain that's sacred or something so i have a new one << The reason for this is they are 6 years behind. By the time they get to alt v altcoins will have done their damage 1359187;1451761570;mircea_popescu;it is and always has been the curse of the lame that they dun know where's da party at. 1359188;1451762018;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3z56t9/bitcoin_the_homeless/ << what's with derps wanting to use Bitcoin to prevent poverty. cuz u kno givin free m0nie to homeless fixes poverty!!!111 1359189;1451762027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44214 @ 0.00049727 = 21.9863 BTC [-] {3} 1359190;1451762034;thestringpuller;whatever happened to sean's outpost nonsense? 1359191;1451762088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16036 @ 0.0004968 = 7.9667 BTC [-] {2} 1359192;1451762119;mircea_popescu;leah goodman moved there. 1359193;1451762655;phf;When wasteful war shall datacenter overturn,/ icann no longer keeps the record of domain/ Nor Mars his sword nor war’s quick fire shall burn/ The cryptographic record of blockchain. 1359194;1451762674;mircea_popescu;keep the dayjob. 1359195;1451762695;phf;heheh, indeed 1359196;1451763022;mircea_popescu;inverse measure of bitcoin mainstream penetration : about 0.3% of females and as high as .7% of males ask me if i'm the mpex mp. (the female sample is ~2k ; the male ~3k - not my fault, just males are about 100x more responsive to a profile visit than females for some reason. then again... about half of them are so fucking threatened by homosexuality they feel compelled to either point out to me that they're not gay, " 1359197;1451763022;mircea_popescu;insult" me by saying i'm gay or else go into total shitfest mode. apparently "someone visited my profile" is A REALLY BIG FUCKING DEAL. but anyway) 1359198;1451763242;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You don't understand. For these people a profile visit IS a big deal. It's the closest they'll get to interacting with another person evar. 1359199;1451763422;mircea_popescu;hm. 1359200;1451763492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049851 = 6.5305 BTC [+] {2} 1359201;1451763526;BingoBoingo;These people don't rate/like each other, they don't message each other, they scroll through lists and OCCASIONALLY visit profiles. Because they site attract certain kinds of neuroses. It's why the fuckable girls don't last on there. 1359202;1451763563;mircea_popescu;i dunno man... since i bitched here bout them being all short / that email showed up it's been the fucking vegas back room in here. 1359203;1451763572;mircea_popescu;i spent all morning going through a line of 1.80 hotties. 1359204;1451763602;mircea_popescu;im starting to think these dudes ACTUALLY DO segregate the userbase. 1359205;1451763642;BingoBoingo;That's not news 1359206;1451763649;mircea_popescu;and seeing how somehow, inexplicably, out of 100k+ dudes online DAILY during A FUCKING DECADE i;m the only one with a working copy of the bourne shell, i became king of the hill or something. 1359207;1451763668;mircea_popescu;there you go asciilifeform, that's what explains fucking walled ghetos, the app store, word and what have you. 1359208;1451763714;mircea_popescu;A FUCKING DECADE. hundred thousand males. looking for cunt. still've not figured out how to... curl it into submission. wide fucking open, but an open door's only open if someone has any automotive power whatsoever. 1359209;1451763721;mircea_popescu;dumb as rocks just got a whole new meaning. 1359210;1451763776;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/E2VHV 1359211;1451763777;assbot;Iran's blogfather: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are killing the web | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlRsxg ) 1359212;1451763807;mircea_popescu;lazy dumb conformist fucks are killing the fucking world, one kitten at a time. 1359213;1451763874;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Odio la sociedad actual, los pretenciosos, irreverentes, neo-feministas y social justice warriors, creo que no se necesita pertenecer/creer en movimientos o ideologas para hacerse respetar. " 1359214;1451763904;phf;new take on верхи не хотят низы не могут: nerds are afraid to, jocks don't know how 1359215;1451763931;mircea_popescu;this nerd/jock thing is such a victory in divide and conquer. 1359216;1451763939;mircea_popescu;we didn't fucking have these in school back when i was a kid. 1359217;1451763972;phf;nor did we 1359218;1451763989;mircea_popescu;you could either listen to metal or else get the shit beaten out of you for being one of those depeche mode fags 1359219;1451763993;mircea_popescu;like god fucking intended. 1359220;1451764042;phf;it's a self fulfilling prophecy here from the divide and conquer department, "acting white". i don't do maths, i'm not a nerd. i don't fuck girls, i'm not a jock. 1359221;1451764063;mircea_popescu;and if you do maths and fuck girls ? 1359222;1451764072;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you not either. 1359223;1451764517;phf;in u.s. you're an anomaly, at least that was my experience, everything's extremely segregated. 1359224;1451764528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24366 @ 0.00049658 = 12.0997 BTC [-] 1359225;1451764548;BingoBoingo;phf: Because that's a necessary prerequisite to marketing 1359226;1451764553;mircea_popescu;^ 1359227;1451764563;mircea_popescu;go up to cow, ask it if it's dairy cow or meat cow. 1359228;1451764622;mircea_popescu;dairy cow explaining to its insufferable litter, "oh, you wanna work really hard in cowschool be a diary cow just like mom! those meat cows have it so much worse, it's way better to be bled bit by bit than cut apart in one go!" 1359229;1451765687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23691 @ 0.00049937 = 11.8306 BTC [+] {4} 1359230;1451765721;mircea_popescu;there you go BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okc-weirdo-1.png http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okc-weirdo-2.png http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okc-weirdo-3.png etc. 1359231;1451765722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vx6oKt ) 1359232;1451765723;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vx6oKx ) 1359233;1451765724;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vx6m5s ) 1359234;1451765735;mircea_popescu;who the fuck needs reddit anymore. straight males in america! 1359235;1451765931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.00050075 = 33.7756 BTC [+] {3} 1359236;1451765992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00049658 = 5.369 BTC [-] 1359237;1451766053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33838 @ 0.00049584 = 16.7782 BTC [-] {4} 1359238;1451766106;phf;i like how the first one uses protective incantations. "henceforth and therefore ipso facto ... DATABASES!" 1359239;1451766106;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu listens to metal now 1359240;1451766115;mircea_popescu;well not now. but when i was 16 1359241;1451766200;mod6;haha 'psychic height readers' 1359242;1451766306;mircea_popescu;it's like a nut factory out there. 1359243;1451766350;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you ever see reddit trying to get girls? it's not pretty. 1359244;1451766375;mircea_popescu;heh. 1359245;1451766495;BingoBoingo;lol mircea_popescu 1359246;1451766724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25094 @ 0.00049521 = 12.4268 BTC [-] {2} 1359247;1451767029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5895 @ 0.000504 = 2.9711 BTC [+] {3} 1359248;1451767409;davout;ohai cult, also happy new year! 1359249;1451767516;BingoBoingo;ohai davout 1359250;1451767549;mod6;hny davout 1359251;1451767584;mircea_popescu;they have new years in france too ?! 1359252;1451767593;mircea_popescu;i thought they just reused the same one. 1359253;1451767616;davout;we tried going on strike but 2016 came anyway, so meh 1359254;1451767651;mircea_popescu;lolz 1359255;1451767680;mircea_popescu;in other news, very convenient local shop i use for seafood ? closed for the holidays 1359256;1451767686;mircea_popescu;UNTIL THE 18TH! 1359257;1451767699;mircea_popescu;there are numerous places that close down FOR ALL OF DECEMBER. 1359258;1451767704;mircea_popescu;and people give the french a hard time. 1359259;1451767718;mircea_popescu;i don't think there exists an argentine that did a year's honest work total in his entire life. 1359260;1451767724;davout;guess your december is our august 1359261;1451767728;mircea_popescu;maybe some 107 year old somewhere on the border with chile or something. 1359262;1451767763;mircea_popescu;davout hey, at least you have the muslims to hopefully kill all the males and rape all the females, reset the shithole. 1359263;1451767772;mircea_popescu;all they got here are paraguayans, and they're short and few. 1359264;1451767779;davout;paris is such a nice place in august, emptied of the dumbass parisians, and full of defenseless young american tourists 1359265;1451767803;mircea_popescu;yeah, until a pipe cracks, 1359266;1451767871;davout;not sure what you mean 1359267;1451767884;mircea_popescu;cuz you'll have to find an american tourist that's also a plumber 1359268;1451767927;deedbot-;[Qntra] Lead Top Performing Metal of 2015 - http://qntra.net/2016/01/lead-top-performing-metal-of-2015/ 1359269;1451768018;BingoBoingo;^ In altcoin news 1359270;1451768084;mircea_popescu;check it out we have a metals desk now ? 1359271;1451768137;BingoBoingo;I heard it on the radio when driving for fresh cigarettes came back and confirmed while also seeing no one making this an internet print headline 1359272;1451768233;BingoBoingo;spammy radio investing show had this headline on their AM band advertorial show, but not actual news outlets. After confirming with charts was too good to leave to spammers while the rest of the media is hungover. 1359273;1451768270;davout;don't give out all your tricks like that! 1359274;1451768367;BingoBoingo;Could be misdirection in an effort to get lurking competition to waste braincycles 1359275;1451768408;davout;now you're giving away your deception tricks too 1359276;1451768471;mircea_popescu;eh what brain cycles. 1359277;1451768510;BingoBoingo;The precious few they have to spare after respiration is accounted for 1359278;1451768777;BingoBoingo;It's not just distracting to them, actually life endangering 1359279;1451768804;mircea_popescu;heh 1359280;1451769065;BingoBoingo;Also there's people who are going to get the strategy wrong and waste time listening to low information talk radio with ear time instead of using their ears for anything else 1359281;1451769192;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1359282;1451769192;assbot;It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry. 1359283;1451769234;mircea_popescu;o.O 1359284;1451769266;BingoBoingo;!t m s.mg 1359285;1451769266;assbot;The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. 1359286;1451769280;BingoBoingo;!t m x.eur 1359287;1451769281;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00260472 / 0.00260493 / 0.00260623 (625 shares, 1.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00253536 / 0.0025824 / 0.00262332 (2731 shares, 7.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00061753 / 0.00218377 / 0.00282306 (14017 shares, 30.61 BTC) 1359288;1451769517;jurov;it's assbot's way of telling these assets did not trade last month 1359289;1451769565;mircea_popescu;yuppers 1359290;1451769583;jurov;asciilifeform: turdatron mystery solved, gpg says you signed "aws banhammer" using old key 1359291;1451769588;jurov;gpg: Signature made So 26. december 2015, 01:37:34 CET using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7 1359292;1451769589;jurov;gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy " [expired] 1359293;1451769652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4216 @ 0.00049502 = 2.087 BTC [-] 1359294;1451770079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00049502 = 12.3507 BTC [-] 1359295;1451770499;jurov;(and it ignores expiry date) 1359296;1451770506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9186 @ 0.00049502 = 4.5473 BTC [-] 1359297;1451770506;jurov;!up Guest76880 1359298;1451770750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00050022 = 2.5936 BTC [+] {2} 1359299;1451770811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18015 @ 0.00050402 = 9.0799 BTC [+] 1359300;1451771665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8275 @ 0.0005001 = 4.1383 BTC [-] {2} 1359301;1451771848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.0005001 = 8.7017 BTC [-] 1359302;1451771848;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201512.txt.asc 1359303;1451771848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXcIR6 ) 1359304;1451771849;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1359305;1451771875;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160102/attachment_0451ec0ba3062d4608318f96270dd7c9f65e42e1.txt 1359306;1451771877;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXcQ31 ) 1359307;1451771878;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1359308;1451771918;mircea_popescu;le cool. 1359309;1451771923;mircea_popescu;how was vacation jurov ? 1359310;1451771945;jurov;very good 1359311;1451772132;mircea_popescu;cool! 1359312;1451772134;jurov;just sun and frost whole time, no snow at all. but we did not miss it, ended up hiking around in the mountains 1359313;1451772155;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1359314;1451773310;mircea_popescu;in some random butthurt, http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-billboard-promotes-dating-site-whites-people-article-1.2483055 1359315;1451773310;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXhcXO ) 1359316;1451773341;mircea_popescu;somehow they manage to go through that entire textgoop and not mention the thing's an obvious ripoff off some blackpeopledate thing. 1359317;1451773373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.0005001 = 1.4548 BTC [-] 1359318;1451773798;thestringpuller;!gettrust jstolfi 1359319;1451773798;assbot;jstolfi is not registered in WoT. 1359320;1451773885;davout;no shit 1359321;1451773934;mircea_popescu;is this the attention whore that "quit reddit" for a week or something over "threats" ? 1359322;1451773949;davout;precisely 1359323;1451773994;mircea_popescu;must suck to suck. 1359324;1451774157;shinohai;Heh I have seen jstofli in buttcoin and btctalk. He considers himself highly-educated on all topics Bitcoin despite not liking BTC at all, or so he claims. 1359325;1451774194;mircea_popescu;if memory serves he was a thirld world "grad student" or somesuch. 1359326;1451774348;mircea_popescu;;;ud dtf 1359327;1451774348;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTF | DOWN TO GET THAT DICK DTFNE1 down to fuck any 1. She's DTF, She wants my dick in or around her mouth! - SuperBad. by KENDALL L January 01, 2008. 1359328;1451774358;mircea_popescu;the shit i'm learning. 1359329;1451774386;shinohai;Yeah he is a grad student from Brasil. 1359330;1451774474;davout;doesn't look like it: http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/ 1359331;1451774475;assbot;Jorge Stolfi - Homepage/Página inicial ... ( http://bit.ly/1kB3eYI ) 1359332;1451774511;mircea_popescu;;;google "Universidade Estadual de Campinas" rating 1359333;1451774512;gribble;Universidade Estadual de Campinas (Unicamp) | Undergraduate ...: ; Universidade Estadual de Campinas (Unicamp) Rankings | Top ...: ; University of Campinas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message) 1359334;1451774532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15916 @ 0.00049551 = 7.8865 BTC [-] 1359335;1451774588;mircea_popescu;"Currently UNICAMP offers undergraduate degrees in 66 majors, including medicine, dentistry, several engineering specializations, basic natural and human sciences, applied sciences, teaching and arts. Its admission process is one of the most competitive in Brazil, with nearly 52,000 candidates for 3310 incoming students. Undergraduate education at UNICAMP is provided by the State of So Paulo for all its students free 1359336;1451774588;mircea_popescu; of charge. In addition, housing, meals, transportation and a living stipend may also be provided on a need basis, so that of the 16,700 undergraduate students at UNICAMP, over 2,200 receive some support. Undergraduate education at UNICAMP operates in three campuses: the School of Dentistry in Piracicaba, the College of Applied Sciences and the College of Technology in Limeira" 1359337;1451774605;mircea_popescu;apparently it's an actual university, check that out. 1359338;1451774611;shinohai;heh 1359339;1451774776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00049516 = 11.7105 BTC [-] {2} 1359340;1451774782;mircea_popescu;"Unicamp went from the 44th to the 28th position on the list of the world's top 100 universities under 50 years old, according to the ranking released on Wednesday (19) by Times Higher Education (THE), one of the most important institutions of evaluation of the higher education." 1359341;1451774785;mircea_popescu;now this i gotta see. 1359342;1451774871;mircea_popescu;http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2014#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search= << lies. they're not in the top 50. 1359343;1451774873;assbot;QS World University Rankings® 2014/15 | Top Universities ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXlFK6 ) 1359344;1451774898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00049502 = 17.4247 BTC [-] {2} 1359345;1451774901;mircea_popescu;not in top 100 either. 1359346;1451775055;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatevs. 1359347;1451775250;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/nGwtpDP.jpg <<< Rather alluring despite the tats 1359348;1451775250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1kB44EP ) 1359349;1451775357;mircea_popescu;is allure codeword for nice ass ? 1359350;1451775597;shinohai;Sumthin like that 1359351;1451775630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4308 @ 0.00049942 = 2.1515 BTC [+] {2} 1359352;1451775752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5394 @ 0.00049943 = 2.6939 BTC [+] 1359353;1451775892;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-Q_zpuJGU << in which hussein bahamas makes a pilgrimage to the mecca of clean comedy 1359354;1451775893;assbot;Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee: "Just Tell Him You’re The President” (Season 7, Episode 1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXoquS ) 1359355;1451775903;pete_dushenski;(jerry seinfeld) 1359356;1451775957;mircea_popescu;a show named after a boring pets thing got 7 seasons ? 1359357;1451775961;mircea_popescu;my god has tv died 1359358;1451775979;pete_dushenski;they're properly webisodes 1359359;1451775994;mircea_popescu;;;google hussein bahamas in funny hats through a wide angle lens 1359360;1451775995;gribble;Mars Curiosity: Internet pranksters set to work on viral pictures with ...: ; Did Google Street View capture a UFO in Missouri? Experts weigh in ...: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-11-2015#1324420 1359432;1451786740;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2015 00:13:28; mircea_popescu: "what is this ?" "vegetables and rice" "no it isn't. where you got these ?" "oh, they come in very convenient bags, frozen" "are you fucking crazy ?!" 1359433;1451786834;pete_dushenski;from same fishwrap, http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/joe-oliver-ontarios-fiscal-train-wreck, basically confirming that, without alberta's oilconomy, canada is going to hell in a handbasket. 1359434;1451786836;assbot;Joe Oliver: Ontario’s fiscal train wreck | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1kBkBJ5 ) 1359435;1451786879;pete_dushenski;"Ontario is the largest sub-national debtor in the entire world, just one alarming distinction. Its debt is more than twice that of California, a state with three times the population and one that has its own severe fiscal problems. Its debt is $294 billion, or over $21,000 per capita. Net debt to GDP is up 48 per cent in the past 10 years to almost 40 per cent, second only to Quebec. Last year’s interest obli 1359436;1451786879;pete_dushenski;gations totalled $11.4 billion, about the same as the cost of community and social services." 1359437;1451786907;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2015#1337159 1359438;1451786907;assbot;Logged on 06-12-2015 05:42:10; pete_dushenski: leave the fucktarded "real estate is our most thriving industry" torontonians for dead already 1359439;1451788257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00049678 = 31.9678 BTC [+] 1359440;1451788908;pete_dushenski;!up n6096 1359441;1451788916;pete_dushenski;!up joesmoe 1359442;1451789164;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: So when's contravex getting an archives page? 1359443;1451789198;pete_dushenski;i re-implemented the search function and added a drop-down archives box in the right column 1359444;1451789230;pete_dushenski;i can't seem to maintain both a static single post on the front page and a full list in the archives. seems to be one or the other in this theme. 1359445;1451789237;BingoBoingo;No, no an actual page with the titles of everything. You know something for people to search 1359446;1451789277;BingoBoingo;paginated by month, year, day is no good. 1359447;1451789373;pete_dushenski;i agree. i also have yet to find a suitable solution. any recommendations ? can qntra's style be copies perhaps ? 1359448;1451789374;BingoBoingo;trilema can get away with one because trilema is indexed so well by google for nsa purposes. finding clever things pete_dushenski wrote when I was recapping 2015 in Bitcoin was very different. Very painful. 1359449;1451789405;pete_dushenski;heh. ya, my apologies. 1359450;1451789416;pete_dushenski;copied* 1359451;1451789426;BingoBoingo;The code that generateds part of the archives list is borrowed from a plugin 1359452;1451789451;BingoBoingo;the bulk of the page though is static'd 1359453;1451789466;BingoBoingo;Because one can't add new posts to history. 1359454;1451789503;BingoBoingo;But the way to do these things is find code that almost does what you want and delete parts until it does exactly what you want 1359455;1451789591;BingoBoingo;If you want to be a real dick instead of an archives page you can do a post "Complete Contravex Archives" that continually updates itself. 1359456;1451789762;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/archives/ 1359457;1451789764;assbot;Archives | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZH2hxS ) 1359458;1451789800;pete_dushenski;only downside is no preview blurbs, but overall, great success ! 1359459;1451789803;pete_dushenski;cheers bb !! 1359460;1451789843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00050521 = 27.8371 BTC [+] {5} 1359461;1451789948;BingoBoingo;preview blurbs are for losers without memories 1359462;1451790200;BingoBoingo;Thank you pete_dushenski 1359463;1451790395;pete_dushenski;the pleasure is mine 1359464;1451790434;BingoBoingo;So you goes your trb adventure? 1359465;1451790508;pete_dushenski;tevye's churning away like a champ ! using ~185mb of ram atm. 1359466;1451790530;pete_dushenski;last time i tried it was >1gb of ram, so the footprint's coming down. 1359467;1451790543;pete_dushenski;still early however, ~250`000 height 1359468;1451790728;pete_dushenski;much credit is due to the whole trb team for developing the package as we enjoy it today 1359469;1451790761;pete_dushenski;the progress since october 2014 has been nothing short of impressive 1359470;1451791088;pete_dushenski;short of spectacular ? less than impressive ? eh 1359471;1451791185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189248 @ 0.00049358 = 93.409 BTC [-] {7} 1359472;1451791199;pete_dushenski;so i interviewed a nanny tonight and it looks like we're a go, if just for a day a week. an employer is me ! 1359473;1451791213;pete_dushenski;so matyoor 1359474;1451791979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00050075 = 22.2834 BTC [+] {2} 1359475;1451792898;mircea_popescu; static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<< that's pretty cvool actually. 1359476;1451792976;mircea_popescu; seriously, what leader of the free world ? he isn't the leader of his own backyard. <<< generally that's how this "civilisation" business works. you may have the fetish of power if and only if you abandon all power. serve the system as it were. 1359477;1451793041;mircea_popescu; "oh it's just alf lol doing in an afternoon what the usg dreamt of doing all throughout the ninedies" << yes, but then again the usg can't get two thinking people to rub together if its continuation depended on it. 1359478;1451793053;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i suspect alf actually ~contains~ two or three. 1359479;1451793204;mircea_popescu; basically confirming that, without alberta's oilconomy, canada is going to hell in a handbasket. << that's ok, because getting together some rental chairs and phoning a caterer makes one practically in investment banking, which is international, so... 1359480;1451793245;mircea_popescu;"Its debt is $294 billion, or over $21,000 per capita." <<< ahahahaha fucking forget it already. 1359481;1451793316;mircea_popescu;might as well be 7 metric fucktons. who gives a shit about fucking norilsk ? it's not worth the snow it's splattered on. 1359482;1451793319;mircea_popescu;!up n6096 1359483;1451793417;BingoBoingo; last time i tried it was >1gb of ram, so the footprint's coming down. << Ironically my bastart build went from consistent ~300 MB to constant 1 GB of RAM after BDB fix 1359484;1451793454;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo> trilema can get away with one because trilema is indexed so well by google for nsa purposes. << funny thing is, it was well indexed in 2010 too. 1359485;1451793466;BingoBoingo;Perk of being early 1359486;1451793511;mircea_popescu;also for the record BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/ 1359487;1451793513;assbot;2015 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwRfYw ) 1359488;1451793546;BingoBoingo; also for the record BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/ << paginated doesn't count 1359489;1451793547;assbot;2015 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwRfYw ) 1359490;1451793553;mircea_popescu;which is how we find out trilema saw 413 articles in 2015 1359491;1451793566;mircea_popescu;wait, what ? 1359492;1451793610;BingoBoingo;Single page archives with every title are the future. 1359493;1451793617;BingoBoingo;and the past 1359494;1451793635;BingoBoingo;Can't paginate by year 1359495;1451793661;mircea_popescu;eh i can't get 15k links on a single page. 1359496;1451793705;BingoBoingo;How do you know that? 1359497;1451793770;mircea_popescu;heh. I GUESS I JUST ASS UMED! 1359498;1451793797;BingoBoingo;ASS UMED is best university of medicine 1359499;1451793802;mircea_popescu;lol 1359500;1451793978;BingoBoingo;Anyways went to visit brother's house for dinner. This involved crossing the Mississippi which has apparently been receeding. HOLY FUCK THE WATER! 1359501;1451794052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28727 @ 0.00050076 = 14.3853 BTC [+] 1359502;1451794054;BingoBoingo;Water solidly all up in the metal arches of the Eads Bridge 1359503;1451794275;BingoBoingo;Bridge in question https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Eads_Bridge_panorama_20090119.jpg 1359504;1451794276;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mrBl7l ) 1359505;1451794323;*;BingoBoingo crossed the border using the boring dickman bridge 1359506;1451794760;BingoBoingo;http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/30/im-big-in-fuzhou/ 1359507;1451794761;assbot;I'm Big In Fuzhou. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1mrCjR7 ) 1359508;1451795547;phf;wtf happened to namecheap? went to renew domains, it's like a web 2.0 theme park over there 1359509;1451795663;BingoBoingo;phf: You know this thing the Mississippi river is doing? It happened in namecheap heads a while back. Except the water is still there. 1359510;1451795685;BingoBoingo;brains that wet don't recover 1359511;1451795699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00049274 = 19.9067 BTC [-] {2} 1359512;1451795831;mircea_popescu;phf don't fucking remind me. imbeciles. 1359513;1451795857;mircea_popescu;they lost thousands of dollars in domains, too. i hope they go the way of fucking godaddy. 1359514;1451796006;phf;that seams like a fate of every registrar. none of them go "remember how dyndns used to be literally one html page with a post to buy and post to update? let's do that!" 1359515;1451796035;mircea_popescu;just like no woman goes "remember how i used to not be fucking annoying twenty years ago ? lemme try that for a spell!" 1359516;1451796049;mircea_popescu;they got fucking responsibilities dontcha know. and other assorted delusions to maintain. 1359517;1451797468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00049274 = 24.1935 BTC [-] 1359518;1451797496;mircea_popescu;!up mwleeds 1359519;1451797712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60250 @ 0.00050076 = 30.1708 BTC [+] 1359520;1451797989;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1359521;1451797995;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 430.44, vol: 3093.82737986 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 429.071, vol: 3235.66151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 430.04, vol: 8038.57548873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 434.08896, vol: 31044.06820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.99, vol: 21.1664804 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 423.579, vol: 21.47427707 | Volume-weighted last average: 432.76233736 1359522;1451800639;BingoBoingo;In cage and lemon water news https://archive.is/ZBxOJ 1359523;1451800640;assbot;I [35 F] found my daughters [15 F] fat acceptance blog. : relationships ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXwU0E ) 1359524;1451802836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24129 @ 0.00050076 = 12.0828 BTC [+] 1359525;1451803385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00050626 = 17.6432 BTC [+] 1359526;1451803662;mircea_popescu;it's altogether likely that the "tumblr is worst for idiocy" has a lot to do with "tumblr is all images". 1359527;1451808148;ben_vulpes;it's popcorn time! http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html 1359528;1451808148;assbot;Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1mx9u56 ) 1359529;1451808188;ben_vulpes;"Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said." 1359530;1451808261;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359478 << "10x 3ngin33r!" 1359531;1451808261;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 03:50:53; mircea_popescu: meanwhile i suspect alf actually ~contains~ two or three. 1359532;1451808673;punkman;https://www.disneyresearch.com/publication/vertigo/ 1359533;1451808677;assbot;Disney Research » VertiGo – A Wall-Climbing Robot including Ground-Wall Transition ... ( http://bit.ly/1mxaaHy ) 1359534;1451808692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00050626 = 13.7196 BTC [+] 1359535;1451812284;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/03/hi-tech-silicon-valley-cult-populism 1359536;1451812285;assbot;Beware: Silicon Valley’s cultists want to turn you into a disruptive deviant | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Os7MwP ) 1359537;1451813803;punkman;"The local school district in Burns announced it will keep schools closed all week because of the militia situation." 1359538;1451814426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54360 @ 0.00050699 = 27.56 BTC [+] {4} 1359539;1451817537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79878 @ 0.00050921 = 40.6747 BTC [+] {6} 1359540;1451817598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99070 @ 0.00051105 = 50.6297 BTC [+] {5} 1359541;1451817601;punkman;http://oglaf.com/plenty/ 1359542;1451817602;assbot;Plenty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Uoi8Ot ) 1359543;1451818586;mircea_popescu;"After the peaceful rally was completed today, a group of outside militants drove to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they seized and occupied the refuge headquarters. A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to wo 1359544;1451818587;mircea_popescu;rk through this situation." 1359545;1451818594;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah check out the usg roflmao. 1359546;1451818627;mircea_popescu; trying to own the word "collective" ? wants teh people to front behind it ? jesus christ bureaucratic delusion ever delivers the comedy gold. 1359547;1451818647;mircea_popescu;how about "multiple agencies" can go dangle holding hands, instead. 1359548;1451818796;mircea_popescu;anyone NOT there has a lot of explaining to do about all the fucking ammo they wasted at shooting ranges during the past coupla decades. 1359549;1451818924;punkman;hey, bitcoin is 7 year's old today 1359550;1451819018;punkman;and in other nyooz, "Switzerland, in an effort to combat tax evasion and money laundering activities, has agreed to a deal with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) agreeing to exchange data with 60 other countries that will effectively end its banking secrecy." 1359551;1451819165;mircea_popescu;aha. 1359552;1451819176;mircea_popescu;hah what banking secrecy. 1359553;1451819736;punkman;http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff 1359554;1451819737;assbot;The Oregon militia standoff, explained - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1R8yw83 ) 1359555;1451820045;mircea_popescu;why do i need vox to "explain" this to me ? 1359556;1451820054;mircea_popescu;btw BingoBoingo any chance qntra might get an interview with these folks ? 1359557;1451820061;mircea_popescu;i'll pay for the gas if you're willing to go. 1359558;1451820154;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-december-2015-statement/ 1359559;1451820301;mircea_popescu;ahahaha look at that, a rift within the national-socialist united states! the bureaucracy is now in open warfare with the corporations! 1359560;1451820303;mircea_popescu;fucking A. 1359561;1451820953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5561 @ 0.00050626 = 2.8153 BTC [-] 1359562;1451821599;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXu64_jWkAAfX8J.jpg:large 1359563;1451821600;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jn4VF8 ) 1359564;1451822661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24353 @ 0.00051172 = 12.4619 BTC [+] {3} 1359565;1451822722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40047 @ 0.00051193 = 20.5013 BTC [+] {3} 1359566;1451822844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13237 @ 0.00050836 = 6.7292 BTC [-] {2} 1359567;1451823942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81940 @ 0.00050718 = 41.5583 BTC [-] {2} 1359568;1451824234;mircea_popescu; Disney Research VertiGo << speaking of disney, http://cdn3.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2015/12/18-568x400.jpg 1359569;1451824235;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mXYU7G ) 1359570;1451824304;mircea_popescu;actually, better shot http://cdn3.collective-evolution.com/assets/uploads/2015/12/17.jpg 1359571;1451824304;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mXYWwy ) 1359572;1451824796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00050942 = 5.9093 BTC [+] {2} 1359573;1451825169;punkman;http://pre07.deviantart.net/d0a4/th/pre/f/2014/182/f/e/the_i_phonekkake_by_gunsmithcat-d7oqt91.jpg 1359574;1451825171;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mY003e ) 1359575;1451825245;mircea_popescu;aha. kinda reminds me of http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/ 1359576;1451825246;assbot;Attention : Cunt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mY02rX ) 1359577;1451825589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69450 @ 0.00051198 = 35.557 BTC [+] {2} 1359578;1451825650;punkman;http://gunsmithcat.deviantart.com/gallery/ good stuff 1359579;1451825652;assbot;Gunsmithcat's DeviantArt Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9o3mz ) 1359580;1451825740;ben_vulpes;this militia action is going to cost the agencies untold sums 1359581;1451825745;ben_vulpes;going to be aaaawesome 1359582;1451825856;mircea_popescu;know any cascadian chicks that'd wanna go throw a topless party on the reservation ? 1359583;1451825867;*;mircea_popescu is contemplating paying for some kegers. 1359584;1451825980;mircea_popescu;time to move burning man anyway, now that it's been diddied into the ground. 1359585;1451826041;mircea_popescu;punkman ironically, i was introduced to it by random okcupid derp that thinks i'm a psychopath. 1359586;1451826071;mircea_popescu;may or may not be the author, kinda too lazy to investigate. 1359587;1451826200;punkman;he's spanish, so probably not 1359588;1451826290;ben_vulpes;that'd be a nippy party 1359589;1451826323;ben_vulpes;Burns, OR is 18 F (-8 C) and Snow; windchill is 11 F (-12 C); winds are From the North at 5 MPH 1359590;1451826328;ben_vulpes;granted that's at 5am 1359591;1451826412;mircea_popescu;punkman ah that settles it, this'd be a love child of the great hungarian slut emigration of the early 90s. 1359592;1451826446;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes motherfucker global warning. you can't depend on anything the usg says, can you! 1359593;1451826499;mircea_popescu;but seriously - a dozen kegs is what ? nothing, for the finance almighty republic. get a dozen sluts to shirtoff with the kegs, it's a go. 1359594;1451826540;mircea_popescu;coupla hundred gallons o' free beer should seed a reasonably decent party anywhere. even in castratoland. 1359595;1451826599;mircea_popescu;incidentally, know any cascadian microbrewery that'd desperately love the publicity stunt ? 1359596;1451826628;ben_vulpes;myeah a few 1359597;1451826655;mircea_popescu;so ask em ? 1359598;1451826664;mircea_popescu;show could be on the road by the weekend, easy. 1359599;1451826760;*;ben_vulpes not much of a party planner 1359600;1451826784;punkman;http://gunsmithcat.deviantart.com/journal/Leaving-deviantTrollart-464093092 he left deviantart... only to go to facebook. 1359601;1451826786;assbot;Leaving deviantTrollart by Gunsmithcat on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9oQ6V ) 1359602;1451826786;mircea_popescu;the war, with teh army you have. 1359603;1451826809;mircea_popescu;punkman clearly intelligence and stupidity are contrarian forces wink wink nudge nudge 1359604;1451827409;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP7OXDWof30 1359605;1451827410;assbot;#DearDaddy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiCedp ) 1359606;1451827546;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TFLttjRm_c heh 1359607;1451827547;assbot;Dear Dad, from a boy (#deardaddy response) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RiCt8v ) 1359608;1451827555;mircea_popescu;dude these nordic system nitwits are about as obnoxious as jehova's witnesses with their relentless, stolid propaganda. 1359609;1451828229;mircea_popescu;http://gunsmithcat.deviantart.com/art/Cecilia-in-progress-430562791 << pencil in photoshop. nuts. but anyway, a fine example of how art lies : look at the curve of the tit. 1359610;1451828232;assbot;Cecilia in progress by Gunsmithcat on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9pLEo ) 1359611;1451828309;mircea_popescu;i should perhaps say "how cheapo carnies misrepresent the human body through their interested ignorance", but hey, who am i to laugh at random retard. he's poor and it's not his fault and he can't draw and it's also not his fault and he's so much better than guy on the street it must be good enough rite. 1359612;1451832763;mircea_popescu;here's one to make BingoBoingo proud : https://archive.is/nYOh9#selection-305.1-305.225 1359613;1451832764;assbot;MirceaPopescu / 38 / Buenos Aires, Argentina | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnhSP2 ) 1359614;1451832803;mircea_popescu;kinda curious how long until it gets beleeted. 1359615;1451832848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90600 @ 0.00051304 = 46.4814 BTC [+] {4} 1359616;1451832998;mircea_popescu;!up nikthebookie 1359617;1451833018;nikthebookie;hi 1359618;1451833032;nikthebookie;so what is the job of a bookie for bitbet? 1359619;1451833089;mircea_popescu;nikthebookie you come up with lines and defend them. 1359620;1451833095;mircea_popescu;what's your expertise with bookie-ing ? 1359621;1451833142;nikthebookie;i have experience with investing, betting, game theory, probabilities, but not really with bookie-ing 1359622;1451833163;mircea_popescu;hm. 1359623;1451833167;mircea_popescu;well, do you know what a bookie does ? 1359624;1451833195;nikthebookie;makes books 1359625;1451833200;nikthebookie;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_bookmaking 1359626;1451833201;assbot;Mathematics of bookmaking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnilAJ ) 1359627;1451833244;mircea_popescu;right. do you know what a line is ? 1359628;1451833303;nikthebookie;i guess that one line is one event, on which people are betting 1359629;1451833337;mircea_popescu;nah, it's closer related to "the party line" or "the official line". ie, you say "X thing has 3:1 odds". that's your line. 1359630;1451833418;nikthebookie;so it's like estimating a probability of an event? 1359631;1451833524;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359530 << pff who's the dramatic undervaluer now ! stan's easily 10^10`000 usg 3ngin33rs !! ;) 1359632;1451833524;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 08:04:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359478 << "10x 3ngin33r!" 1359633;1451833667;mircea_popescu;nikthebookie quite. 1359634;1451833787;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359479 << lel. my guess is that the charade will try to run on the fumes of wealthy chinese who send their kids to our universities for 6x what the locals pay, buy new bmws and high-end condos, and hey, who knows, maybe even throw a splashy party or two 1359635;1451833787;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 03:53:24; mircea_popescu: basically confirming that, without alberta's oilconomy, canada is going to hell in a handbasket. << that's ok, because getting together some rental chairs and phoning a caterer makes one practically in investment banking, which is international, so... 1359636;1451833810;nikthebookie;I'm trading options and estimating probabilities almost every day 1359637;1451833818;mircea_popescu;nikthebookie aite, so go for it. 1359638;1451833839;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359483 << very ironic. that's how most applegooglemsft 'fixes' 'work' 1359639;1451833839;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 03:56:57; BingoBoingo: last time i tried it was >1gb of ram, so the footprint's coming down. << Ironically my bastart build went from consistent ~300 MB to constant 1 GB of RAM after BDB fix 1359640;1451833880;nikthebookie;ok, good luck with bitbet, it's a good site 1359641;1451833914;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359495 <--> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=444 1359642;1451833914;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 04:01:01; mircea_popescu: eh i can't get 15k links on a single page. 1359643;1451833916;assbot;#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt0anP ) 1359644;1451833932;pete_dushenski;;;seen trinque 1359645;1451833932;gribble;trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 55 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: lobito: would you also hire a cook who was anti-food? 1359646;1451834091;mircea_popescu;lol dat bash 1359647;1451834145;pete_dushenski;10k shits, 15k links : what's the difference ? 1359648;1451834318;pete_dushenski;"That such petitions might not matter in the long run is irrelevant: what matters is that they are being signed by the people, giving a populist feel to the overall effort. Old-school lobbyists, generously funded by venture capitalists, will do the rest." << gotta love watching the guardian squirm as is tries to tip-toe around the truth that neither "the people" nor "the money" give two shits about their transge 1359649;1451834318;pete_dushenski;nderist global warmingisms 1359650;1451834376;pete_dushenski;"Evgeny Morozov is the author of the Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom." << anyone read this dood's book ? 1359651;1451834392;pete_dushenski;^author of aforecited guardian piece 1359652;1451834425;mircea_popescu;there's like three people who still read "books" and they're likely all captive in the same body. 1359653;1451834453;pete_dushenski;I'M NOT IN ALF ! 1359654;1451834623;mircea_popescu;in related news, 1359655;1451834624;mircea_popescu;Im saying hes gay because theres a guy named Bruce and theyve been sleeping together for years, Knight said. We had these meetings in the Red Room, and once we had these meetings, you had to put everything on the table. Everybody has some drinks, and wouldnt nobody lie, because if anybody got caught lyin, there was always a consequence. So Tupac stood up and said, Im tired of this! I 1359656;1451834624;mircea_popescu;m tired of this! Dre, yous a faggot. Dre said, First of all, Im not a faggot. Then [Tupac] said, OK, then youre a homosexual. [Dre] said, Im not a homosexual. Im bisexual. So [Tupac] said, Youre bisexual? See, thats another thing I dont wanna do, I dont wanna be in the studio doing no songs with a guy whos pounding other guys in the butt. Then Dre said, Pac, I 1359657;1451834626;mircea_popescu; thought you were smart. You still dumb. If I want to pound some butt, I could do a woman. Im a bisexual because I like to get my cheekbones blown out. I like to get pounded in the butt. 1359658;1451834726;*;pete_dushenski imagines thestringpuller reading this, a tear of confused sadness rolling down his cheek 1359659;1451834734;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: source ? 1359660;1451834738;mircea_popescu;suge knight. 1359661;1451834784;pete_dushenski;aha 1359662;1451834803;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359558 << another impressive month. is there no stopping this thing ? 1359663;1451834803;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 11:22:34; deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-december-2015-statement/ 1359664;1451834823;pete_dushenski;HOW DO I GET OFF THIS TRAIN 1359665;1451834861;pete_dushenski;the conductor refuses to say "final stop" or something 1359666;1451835224;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/ << this is hinging on a coin toss game today. mr. yes has to be pretty stoked about those odds. 1359667;1451835224;assbot;BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closing in 8 hours 26 minutes | weight: 1`200 (100`000 to 1`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYMkOy ) 1359668;1451835300;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/petes-mega-recommended-reading-list/ << updated 1359669;1451835302;assbot;Pete’s mega-recommended reading list | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYMpBA ) 1359670;1451835324;pete_dushenski;oh, the things i remember to do now that i have a proper archive ! 1359671;1451835980;pete_dushenski;"The hedgehog’s plight is only going to get worse. As social memories of persecution fade, badgers are moving into suburbs, the last refuges of hedgehogs. Providing hedgehogs with ideal homes in our gardens, and love tunnels under garden fences, may slow their decline, but it won’t stop them going extinct from much of the country altogether. Unless we are prepared to unleash brown bears, lynx and wolves into 1359672;1451835980;pete_dushenski; the English countryside to control badgers and help hedgehogs, which seems unlikely, then we are under an obligation to do the apex predator job ourselves, and control badgers for the sake of birds, bumble bees and hedgehogs. For sentimental reasons we may decide not to do so, but then we will have the decline of the hedgehog on our conscience." 1359673;1451836134;mircea_popescu;what's next, we're going to make special baskets to protect the endangered sjw in a few years ? 1359674;1451836202;pete_dushenski;quite. and it'll be 12 stories tall and wrapped in curved aluminum swoops and swales that represent the sjw-hog journey through life 1359675;1451836239;pete_dushenski;above via http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/badgers-and-hedgehogs/ 1359676;1451836240;assbot;Hedgehogs and badgers | Matt Ridley ... ( http://bit.ly/1R8TSCo ) 1359677;1451836325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27406 @ 0.00051215 = 14.036 BTC [-] 1359678;1451837598;pete_dushenski;"Best friend to Jerry Seinfeld, the balding eternal loser has whole pages of the internet dedicated to his ridiculous outbursts" << heh. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255033 1359679;1451837598;assbot;Logged on 28-08-2015 21:10:28; cazalla: amusing that 20 years on, George no longer looks like typical fat American 1359680;1451837610;pete_dushenski;https://www.rt.com/news/327761-seinfeld-bar-george-costanza-australia/ 1359681;1451837611;assbot;‘Serenity now’: George Costanza bar opened by Seinfeld devotee — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1R8VTOT ) 1359682;1451837683;pete_dushenski;up ascii_rear 1359683;1451837691;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_rear 1359684;1451837775;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359650 << soros shill 1359685;1451837775;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 15:19:36; pete_dushenski: "Evgeny Morozov is the author of the Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom." << anyone read this dood's book ? 1359686;1451837814;pete_dushenski;aha. best two-word review. 1359687;1451837815;ascii_rear;pushes 'net sovereignty' crapolade 1359688;1451837890;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359652 << also i must point out that i read ~books~ , not used toiletpaper 1359689;1451837890;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 15:20:25; mircea_popescu: there's like three people who still read "books" and they're likely all captive in the same body. 1359690;1451837930;pete_dushenski;ascii_rear: btw can you please explain http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html to me for the purposes of part ii of the trb history series ? 1359691;1451837931;assbot;[BTC-dev] Static build crapocalypse. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQ4rAZ ) 1359692;1451837944;ascii_rear;(the latter is, without exception, what you find behind modern book shop window) 1359693;1451837981;ascii_rear;!s uint_32 1359694;1451837982;assbot;0 results for 'uint_32' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uint_32 1359695;1451837982;pete_dushenski;i've read the patch but "boost::int64_t" doesn't mean much to me 1359696;1451838009;ascii_rear;!s uint32_t 1359697;1451838009;assbot;13 results for 'uint32_t' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uint32_t 1359698;1451838022;ascii_rear;^ 1359699;1451838029;pete_dushenski;cheers 1359700;1451838065;ascii_rear;lol 1359701;1451838085;ascii_rear;lulzy how the ancient apr1 gag is still in the logz 1359702;1451838311;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359612 << mega-l0l. was mircea_popescu besieged with fatchix, had to pour boiling oil? 1359703;1451838311;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 14:52:43; mircea_popescu: here's one to make BingoBoingo proud : https://archive.is/nYOh9#selection-305.1-305.225 1359704;1451838401;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359550 << it usgized long ago 1359705;1451838401;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 11:03:38; punkman: and in other nyooz, "Switzerland, in an effort to combat tax evasion and money laundering activities, has agreed to a deal with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) agreeing to exchange data with 60 other countries that will effectively end its banking secrecy." 1359706;1451838441;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear i have no fucking idea what sort of whale-oil-powered processes must be going on in the skull of a perambulating exercise ball that goes "hey... i know... i'll date online!" 1359707;1451838476;mircea_popescu;but they're EXTREMELY cheeky. 1359708;1451838521;ascii_rear;interesting! what do they usually want? 1359709;1451838523;mircea_popescu;of course the whole attempt backfired in that now i'm getting a barage of derps going on about how miserable i must be and lalala. whole fucking church. 1359710;1451838605;mircea_popescu;incidentally... there is A LOT of similarity between weirdo televanghelism sects and sjw. for one thing, while some gals may be paying lip service to "the cause", they're oh so willing to go on their knees privately, it reminds one of the string of "straight laced" falwells of the 90s. 1359711;1451838616;mircea_popescu;"if he's not o nthe cheap tv set he's probably cruising the highway restrooms" 1359712;1451838627;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear validation, mostly. 1359713;1451839227;BingoBoingo;How the fuck did I fall asleep at such a bad time! Revolution!!! 1359714;1451839240;mircea_popescu;viva la revolucion hoy y por siempre! 1359715;1451839395;BingoBoingo; i'll pay for the gas if you're willing to go. << I'll see if they are electronically responsive. They are quite a bit further than the distnce that makes gas the big problem. Perhaps a Cascadian would want to drop in? 1359716;1451839409;mircea_popescu;keep going through the log. 1359717;1451839436;BingoBoingo;BUt there'll hopefully be plenty of time to drop in this summer. 1359718;1451839737;BingoBoingo; kinda curious how long until it gets beleeted. << They tend NOT to baleet over that. It's IAC not YCOmbinator. They aren't THAT into social control. 1359719;1451839765;mircea_popescu;oh please don't tell me nobody cares about social media brigading!\ 1359720;1451839969;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359638 << Reason for this is known. I bizzaro BingoUniverse malloc makes space for the BDB based on max locks in advance. 1359721;1451839969;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 15:10:39; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359483 << very ironic. that's how most applegooglemsft 'fixes' 'work' 1359722;1451840596;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359389 see how it looks from here: http://dpaste.com/08KB62J 1359723;1451840596;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 01:04:45; ascii_rear: something is very broken. 1359724;1451840598;assbot;dpaste: 08KB62J: alf keys, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1mxKESJ ) 1359725;1451840620;jurov;your key DID NOT change, you just added a sig that prolongs its expiration 1359726;1451840650;jurov;!up ascii_rear 1359727;1451840679;ascii_rear;jurov: that part is right 1359728;1451840701;ascii_rear;but why assbot rejected the selfsig. 1359729;1451840739;jurov;i dunno about assbot 1359730;1451840778;ascii_rear;i can't fix until i can replicate the rejection locally 1359731;1451840779;jurov;here both gpg 1 and 2 has no problem 1359732;1451840789;ascii_rear;and so far i failed to 1359733;1451840804;ascii_rear;my 1.4.10 happily swallows. 1359734;1451840914;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359543 << wake me up when folks not relying on usg for food, mutiny 1359735;1451840914;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 10:56:26; mircea_popescu: "After the peaceful rally was completed today, a group of outside militants drove to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, where they seized and occupied the refuge headquarters. A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front 1359736;1451840932;mircea_popescu;!up GamerSg 1359737;1451840935;ascii_rear;mega-circus 1359738;1451841115;GamerSg;so mp, did u read brian's rant 1359739;1451841213;GamerSg;https://medium.com/@barmstrong/scaling-bitcoin-the-great-block-size-debate-d2cba9021db0#.bn2rrgpvw 1359740;1451841214;assbot;Scaling Bitcoin: The Great Block Size Debate — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PFNT68 ) 1359741;1451841274;GamerSg;the guy is so dumb, its astonishing that he controls millions of wallets 1359742;1451841314;mircea_popescu;you know, it takes about five minutes to make "millions of wallets" 1359743;1451841322;mircea_popescu;well... maybe not on his crap software, but as a matter of principle. 1359744;1451841343;GamerSg;hah, well to be more precise, controls a significant num of coins 1359745;1451841355;mircea_popescu;you know this ? 1359746;1451841378;GamerSg;i don't but id assume coinbase probably holds atleast a 6 figure sum of coins 1359747;1451841410;GamerSg;given how the average derp finds Bitcoin too "difficult" 1359748;1451841414;mircea_popescu;and this because why ? 1359749;1451841438;mircea_popescu;lemme tell you something about average derp. go look at the whining on game sites about how they "ain't gonna pay five dollars". 1359750;1451841453;mircea_popescu;look at how much websites trying to sell the average derp music make. 1359751;1451841481;mircea_popescu;sum up whatever metric you will. a group of derps has an asymptotically limited total value, which is the big secret "consumer internet" shitups do not wish to ever admit. 1359752;1451841492;GamerSg;sure, u have a point. But i also know of ppl who held hundreds of coins at gox 1359753;1451841495;mircea_popescu;that asymptote is sharply below anything that'd count as "significant coin" 1359754;1451841504;mircea_popescu;yes, but that was 2013. 1359755;1451841508;GamerSg;and id expect the same behaviour with coinbase 1359756;1451841514;mircea_popescu;there were people sending TENS of thousands of coins to pirate. 1359757;1451841524;mircea_popescu;no, because coins are a lot harder to get now. 1359758;1451841532;mircea_popescu;multiply by difficulty as an easy proxy. 1359759;1451841545;mircea_popescu;10k coins with 10k difficulty = 0.001 coins with 10bn difficulty. 1359760;1451841546;mircea_popescu;!up be 1359761;1451841560;GamerSg;so u think if they went all in with XT and dumped real BTC on the mkt, there is nothing to be afraid of 1359762;1451841576;mircea_popescu;for one thing, coinbase is not a free agent. 1359763;1451841587;mircea_popescu;what they do and don't do, shit-for-brians is not there to decide. 1359764;1451841683;GamerSg;well if we assume coinbase is a USG-linked firm, they could do watever and get away with it, no? 1359765;1451841707;mircea_popescu;sure. and bill de blasio could do whatever and go away with it. 1359766;1451841713;mircea_popescu;such as i dunno, limit the number of uber cars. 1359767;1451842852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050626 = 5.6195 BTC [-] {2} 1359768;1451842855;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1359769;1451843161;punkman;ascii_rear: but why assbot rejected the selfsig. << I'd guess assbot's thing that calls out to gpg just rejects sigs from expired keys 1359770;1451843195;ascii_rear;no. it was renewed. 1359771;1451843208;ascii_rear;and it refuses to eat the new selfsig. 1359772;1451843220;punkman;assbot updates keys? 1359773;1451843309;ascii_rear;aha 1359774;1451843327;ascii_rear;or appears to 1359775;1451843336;pete_dushenski;!up Uglux 1359776;1451843356;ascii_rear;see recent thread with kakobrekla 1359777;1451843380;kakobrekla;yes it updates 1359778;1451843983;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency mosin 1359779;1451843984;gribble;Error: 'mosin' is not a valid currency code. 1359780;1451844728;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1359781;1451844765;BingoBoingo;Some background lulz on the Oregon liberation https://archive.is/CBmo 1359782;1451844766;assbot;Ranchers arrested at wildlife refuge — High Country News ... ( http://bit.ly/1R95oxD ) 1359783;1451844791;BingoBoingo;note the date published 1359784;1451844810;BingoBoingo;october 1994! 1359785;1451845109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98700 @ 0.00051432 = 50.7634 BTC [+] {5} 1359786;1451845207;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: I don't trust Suge Knight at all. He's sketchy as fuck, so I would take what he says with a grain of salt. 1359787;1451845302;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: This does though explain why Dre was so successful selling beats to mainstream pop artists... 1359788;1451845428;thestringpuller;That was more HTC's marketing powerhouse than Dre himself. 1359789;1451845511;BingoBoingo;Before then. Like when he was selling beats to Gwen Stefanie et al. 1359790;1451845538;BingoBoingo;Not the beats electronic business, but beats as in the background audio 1359791;1451845655;thestringpuller;Ah. P. Sure plenty of rappers got some Gwen Stefani pussy before she got married. 1359792;1451845770;BingoBoingo;But there's also the Jew producers needed to authorize moving the bezzle for the purchase who'd just love the novelty of pounding a black ass 1359793;1451846470;BingoBoingo;!s glass cannon 1359794;1451846471;assbot;9 results for 'glass cannon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cannon 1359795;1451846512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2229 @ 0.00051529 = 1.1486 BTC [+] 1359796;1451846581;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller quite probably he was trolling and the whole thing's 100% made up. 1359797;1451846587;mircea_popescu;i did find it entertaining. 1359798;1451846659;mircea_popescu;also for bonus lols, suge is the iiird person singular present tense of "to suck" in romanian. 1359799;1451846705;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: LOL! It's like marilyn monroe getting plowed on the casting couches but with a twist. 1359800;1451846737;mircea_popescu;the size of her ass... she could take a few twists. 1359801;1451846749;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Suge Knight is rather entertaining. I mean he hung Vanilla Ice out of a window. His involvement with the Straight Outta Compton movie resulted in a murder charge. 1359802;1451846786;mircea_popescu;aha. 1359803;1451847009;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for the record, i like the hammonds a SHITTON of a lot more than i like all the pansy-ass beta bois with their "survival" bullshit and commune bullshit and thinking karl marx is some sort of novel or engaging item bullshit. 1359804;1451847046;BingoBoingo;Of course you do. 1359805;1451847052;mircea_popescu;guess so huh. 1359806;1451847082;BingoBoingo;Right now I'm trying to understand the dispute and its context by writing the first qntra piece on it. 1359807;1451847086;mircea_popescu;and in other news, fuck upbringing. i lived up twenty fucking years thinking you absolutely gotta peel potatoes. god damned, peels' the best part of the fucking potato. 1359808;1451847103;BingoBoingo;You just now learned that? 1359809;1451847116;mircea_popescu;well... not just, but yeah. 1359810;1451847125;mircea_popescu;romanians are fucking insane with the peeling. they'll peel apples. 1359811;1451847130;mircea_popescu;fucking peaches, they peel. 1359812;1451849188;mod6;<+punkman> hey, bitcoin is 7 year's old today << Happy Birthday! http://dpaste.com/08BNVKT.txt 1359813;1451849189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjnRpb ) 1359814;1451849503;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1359815;1451849530;ascii_rear;http://www.arkayengravers.com/images/KBD2.JPG 1359816;1451849531;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9JnZc ) 1359817;1451849565;ascii_rear;similar, http://www.arkayengravers.com/images/KBD3.JPG 1359818;1451849566;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9JqnE ) 1359819;1451849580;mircea_popescu;403 1359820;1451849592;ascii_rear;agronomic: http://www.arkayengravers.com/images/NCKBDSCAN.JPG 1359821;1451849593;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9Jrbc ) 1359822;1451849609;ascii_rear;hm 1359823;1451849622;ascii_rear;http://www.arkayengravers.com/samples.htm << where found. 1359824;1451849623;assbot;Arkay Engravers Samples ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9JtzO ) 1359825;1451849659;ascii_rear;my lulz is re 'est. 1945' 1359826;1451849678;deedbot-;[Qntra] Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation - http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/ 1359827;1451849683;ascii_rear;what kind of electronic trade box existed then? 1359828;1451849704;*;ascii_rear bbl 1359829;1451849788;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "at the expense the local population" 1359830;1451849802;mircea_popescu;" a people hundred " 1359831;1451849813;BingoBoingo;fuck 1359832;1451849870;BingoBoingo;fxd 1359833;1451849896;mircea_popescu;", it is likely that USG agents will use lethal force in the form of burning the entire forest down" << this needs hammering out, it doesn't bite. 1359834;1451850059;BingoBoingo;" it is possible that USG agents will use lethal force in the form of burning the entire forest down in order to clear out this pocket of resistance to their oppression, as they burned down the Branch Davidian compound in Waco to eliminate those dissidents." << Does this bite more? 1359835;1451850288;BingoBoingo;Don't not want to mention the likely USG course of action considering their history 1359836;1451850360;jurov;"will use lethal force by" 1359837;1451850381;jurov;mircea_popescu: looks like i received qntra shares 1359838;1451850478;BingoBoingo;jurov: Hit refresh on article 1359839;1451850553;mircea_popescu;jurov yup. 1359840;1451850567;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo better/ 1359841;1451850574;BingoBoingo;ty 1359842;1451850620;mircea_popescu;you do this thing where you contrive things you deem important. this is not only self-defeating but contrary. if anything should be crisp and simple, it;s what's important. 1359843;1451850691;BingoBoingo;ic 1359844;1451850711;deedbot-;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-december-2015-statement/ 1359845;1451850744;BingoBoingo;I've got to unhabit that. 1359846;1451850798;mircea_popescu;you have been, actually. just now and again manages to slink through anymore. 1359847;1451850898;BingoBoingo;Brian in the head isn't always the most consistent thing. 1359848;1451851270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40892 @ 0.00051571 = 21.0884 BTC [+] 1359849;1451851460;mircea_popescu;haha, from the social media brigading : apparently if butthurt derps complain, okcupid invisibilises your picture. oh noes, THAT WAS THE ONLY PICTURE I HAD!!11 1359850;1451851462;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1359851;1451851488;BingoBoingo;oh 1359852;1451851507;mod6;i guess that's the "or else" part 'eh 1359853;1451851514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143400 @ 0.00050585 = 72.5389 BTC [-] {4} 1359854;1451851532;mircea_popescu;"this person looks too damn good and makes us feel inadequate PLEASE DO SOMETHING" 1359855;1451851564;mod6;"his beard drops too many panties, move to defcon 4!" 1359856;1451851579;mircea_popescu;somehow i suspect some poor misfortunate IAC intern is going to show up to work monday and be buried under a pile of rage & froth accumulated over days. 1359857;1451851590;mircea_popescu;HAO CAN SAE FAT IS NO PERKIFTS! 1359858;1451851815;BingoBoingo;lol 1359859;1451851856;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/1Njm1PW.png 1359860;1451851857;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKZHmq ) 1359861;1451852020;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that. 1359862;1451852164;BingoBoingo;THe Silbert thing prices vs actual BTC on other fiat/btc interfaces 1359863;1451852268;mircea_popescu;heh k 1359864;1451852376;BingoBoingo;http://news.slashdot.org/story/16/01/03/1338231/copyright-expires-on-adolf-hitlers-mein-kampf 1359865;1451852378;assbot;Copyright Expires On Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1my3SYl ) 1359866;1451852391;BingoBoingo;"will aim to show that Mein Kampf (My Struggle) is incoherent and badly written, rather than powerful or seductive. From the original book's 1,000 pages, the publisher has produced a two-volume book that is twice as long as the original, with 3,700 annotations." 1359867;1451852413;mircea_popescu;who owned it before, the hitler jugend foundation ? 1359868;1451852435;BingoBoingo;Bavaria 1359869;1451852835;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3573 1359870;1451852964;BingoBoingo;media are knife blind 1359871;1451852990;mircea_popescu;lol old people still watch the telly. 1359872;1451853060;BingoBoingo;seriously 1359873;1451853072;BingoBoingo;https://goodbyeamericainaphoto.wordpress.com/2015/12/27/touring-mordor-by-mass-transit/ 1359874;1451853074;assbot;Touring Mordor By Mass Transit | Goodbye, America (in a photo) ... ( http://bit.ly/1my4ZY0 ) 1359875;1451853124;BingoBoingo;old people watching the telly is a serious problem keeping people who could support Bundy instead hysterical over Trump 1359876;1451853220;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3564 1359877;1451853221;assbot;JL: The GPS Girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1IL1pEm ) 1359878;1451853405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 7999 @ 0.0003073 = 2.4581 BTC [+] 1359879;1451853466;jurov;;;later tell whaack Inquiry here to get your S.QNTR shares. 1359880;1451853467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1359881;1451853580;mircea_popescu;"It was an eighteen year old girlnice and innocent looking. Big eyes. You'd like her. They'd eat her alive down hereand her grandfather from York Pennsylvania who used her GPS to get to the nearest mall that carries the brand of purse she was looking for." 1359882;1451853594;mircea_popescu;actually, the experience of "being eaten alive"'d probably be the best education girl's ever going to get. 1359883;1451853676;BingoBoingo;srsly 1359884;1451853802;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1 1359885;1451855139;BingoBoingo;!up Dava 1359886;1451856028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60750 @ 0.00051594 = 31.3434 BTC [+] {3} 1359887;1451857213;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359807 <<< do you know what a "diable" is ? 1359888;1451857213;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 18:51:26; mircea_popescu: and in other news, fuck upbringing. i lived up twenty fucking years thinking you absolutely gotta peel potatoes. god damned, peels' the best part of the fucking potato. 1359889;1451858516;BingoBoingo;https://web.archive.org/save/http://www.elephantjournal.com/2016/01/in-2016-i-want-to-be-bigger-fatter/ 1359890;1451858519;assbot;In 2016, I Want To Be Bigger & Fatter. | elephant journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZ94xG ) 1359891;1451860359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14428 @ 0.00051642 = 7.4509 BTC [+] {2} 1359892;1451860420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12624 @ 0.00051689 = 6.5252 BTC [+] {2} 1359893;1451861310;ben_vulpes;http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_View/Entries/2013/2/17_Macintosh_Common_Lisp.html << neat history of lisp and gui development on os x 1359894;1451861311;assbot;The Long View ... ( http://bit.ly/1mtkVvk ) 1359895;1451861716;punkman;whole potato recipe: start fire, wash potatos, make pile of embers, wrap potatos in Al-foil, poke some holes with a fork, throw on embers, cook a steak or something while waiting. take out potatos, let em cool, break in big chunks, then deep fry. 1359896;1451861858;kakobrekla;i prefer 'krompir v oblicah'. cook em, slice in half and eat with butter/cream+onions 1359897;1451861871;punkman;can't go wrong with that 1359898;1451861890;punkman;I usually go for the butter too 1359899;1451861985;punkman;best to avoid the skin if it looks greenish or has sprouts though 1359900;1451862136;jurov;apparently al-foil was too expensive, we put them into embers directly 1359901;1451862211;jurov;yea, the skin is not edible after that. but delicious, too. 1359902;1451862233;jurov;(the inside is delicious, i mean) 1359903;1451862290;jurov;http://www.arkayengravers.com/dykbd.htm srs??? 1359904;1451862291;assbot;Arkay Engravers Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZdmFp ) 1359905;1451862345;jurov;i had nfi dylsexia can be fixed with a mirror 1359906;1451862381;punkman;probably more of an art piece 1359907;1451862518;punkman;http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1328561& 1359908;1451862520;assbot;Google, HP, Oracle Join RISC-V | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZdEw3 ) 1359909;1451862561;kakobrekla;nothing wrong with eating some chark 1359910;1451862591;phf;ben_vulpes: can still run mcl if you have a ppc mac laying around. https://code.google.com/p/mcl/ and ftp://clozure.com/pub/rmcl.zip. the source was released when digitool finally disolved couple of years ago, and some clozure people did work on it to get it to work under rosetta (that's the rmcl thing). 1359911;1451862592;assbot;mcl - Macintosh Common Lisp - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZdHba ) 1359912;1451862673;phf;i have rmcl installed on an old ibook with os 9, i use it to work through algorithms in papers and such (i.e. don't care about speed, and want a focused environment) 1359913;1451862764;phf;(oh i just got to the last part of the article where they say what i just said) 1359914;1451863260;ben_vulpes;ayup, saw that 1359915;1451863637;mircea_popescu;davout i do not. 1359916;1451863708;mircea_popescu; i had nfi dylsexia can be fixed with a mirror <<< not fixed, but apparently it's mostly a training deficit. people working with mirrors been doing seemingly miraculous shit. 1359917;1451864515;ben_vulpes;ERROR: sys-devel/gdb-7.9.1::gentoo failed (compile phase): 1359918;1451864521;ben_vulpes; emake failed 1359919;1451864538;ben_vulpes;^^ things i did not expect to see today but am nevertheless not terribly surprised by 1359920;1451864538;trinque;pull out! 1359921;1451864544;mircea_popescu;heh 1359922;1451864569;ben_vulpes;is it so much to expect the gentoo package manager to know how to install gdb? 1359923;1451864575;ben_vulpes;must i actually compile this motherfucker myself? 1359924;1451864592;mircea_popescu;heh. 1359925;1451869326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00051693 = 20.0052 BTC [+] {2} 1359926;1451872142;davout;mircea_popescu: a "diable charentais" is what the gods and enlightened french people use to cook their potatoes 1359927;1451872206;davout;works on the fire, in the oven, on a stove, and more surprisingly also in a microwave 1359928;1451872427;davout;related -> https://www.google.fr/search?q=diable+patates&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV5IzshY_KAhWFuBQKHdc7A8EQ_AUIBygB&biw=1440&bih=755#tbm=isch&q=diable+%C3%A0+pommes+de+terre 1359929;1451872428;assbot;diable patates - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa5SNx ) 1359930;1451872738;danielpbarron;!up mwleeds 1359931;1451875959;deedbot-;[Qntra] Year 8 Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/01/year-8-begins/ 1359932;1451876078;BingoBoingo;Post text in blockquotes, because machine authored 1359933;1451877317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171750 @ 0.00051195 = 87.9274 BTC [-] {5} 1359934;1451877829;mircea_popescu;davout ie a dutch oven ? 1359935;1451877988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106550 @ 0.00050906 = 54.2403 BTC [-] 1359936;1451878303;mircea_popescu;lmao. browsers top 10 : HTTrack 33.4 % Unknown 32.1 % Google Chrome 11.4 % etc. 1359937;1451879086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42545 @ 0.0005111 = 21.7447 BTC [+] {3} 1359938;1451879125;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes you gotta post the build error logz or nobody could possibly help 1359939;1451879125;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1359940;1451879228;ben_vulpes;ran it down; more pebkac 1359941;1451879391;BingoBoingo;http://www.justanswer.com/health/61y07-pulse-rate-56-64-normal-obese-woman-otherwise.html#re.v/462/ 1359942;1451879391;assbot;Is a pulse rate of 56-64 normal in an obese woman who is otherwise ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkgEW8 ) 1359943;1451879553;asciilifeform;lulzy: https://cryptome.org/2016/01/cia-ua-aerodynamic.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/23V8Q65 + https://cryptome.org/2016/01/cia-ua-qrdynamic.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/03MFPKE 1359944;1451879562;assbot;dpaste: 23V8Q65 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkgZrQ ) 1359945;1451879568;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkgZYH ) 1359946;1451879570;assbot;dpaste: 03MFPKE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rkh2ni ) 1359947;1451879570;asciilifeform;^ re: ukrs 1359948;1451879818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52866 @ 0.00050621 = 26.7613 BTC [-] {2} 1359949;1451879824;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: neato 1359950;1451879848;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i highly recommend against having any manually-built gcc installed systemwide on a gentoo box; this would prevent you from using eselect 1359951;1451879864;asciilifeform;(locally, a la rotor, is another matter, and works great for its purpose) 1359952;1451880495;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1359953;1451880498;gribble;Current Blocks: 391637 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1482 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 28 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1359954;1451880977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00051694 = 9.0723 BTC [+] 1359955;1451883356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00050434 = 54.3174 BTC [-] {3} 1359956;1451884942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00051705 = 16.0803 BTC [+] {2} 1359957;1451886223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98000 @ 0.00051005 = 49.9849 BTC [-] {6} 1359958;1451893148;punkman;http://nsa-patents.silk.co/ 1359959;1451893153;assbot;NSA Patents - Silk ... ( http://bit.ly/1mZtyO1 ) 1359960;1451893576;punkman;"Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW 1359961;1451894336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00051298 = 5.7197 BTC [+] {2} 1359962;1451895733;davout;mircea_popescu: it shares with the dutch oven the fact that it's a pot i guess, it's exclusively made of clay though 1359963;1451895768;davout;anyway, i think it's the type of things that is best when simply demonstrated 1359964;1451895853;punkman;davout, does the handle of the thing have a hole for air to escape? 1359965;1451896012;davout;punkman: mine doesn't have a handle, and no, it doesn't really need holes for air and steam to escape, the thing is not tightly shut 1359966;1451896078;punkman;davout, a lot of them seem to have a little hole on google images, seemed weird, guess it doesn't go all the way through the handle 1359967;1451896126;punkman;what else do you cook in it, since it's unglazed? 1359968;1451896162;davout;it has more to do with the way it's manufactured than and actual functional necessity 1359969;1451896188;davout;i only use it for potatoes 1359970;1451896213;punkman;I suppose it'd be good for chestnuts and things 1359971;1451896252;davout;just clean them a bit with water, throw them in, 20 minutes microwave, and you get really great potatoes 1359972;1451896268;davout;might be 1359973;1451898789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00051298 = 8.3103 BTC [+] 1359974;1451903459;punkman;"As the representative glyphs for people in the Unicode code charts look in many cases as if they represent white people, even in monochrone, and as the earliest implementations of multicoloured glyphs tended to show very pale skin tones, there has been an impression that Unicode is only catering for a certain racial demographic. Over the last year or two there have been widespread calls 1359975;1451903459;punkman;for the Unicode Consortium to encode racially diverse versions of emoji characters representing humans or human body parts, and under intense pressure from the public, the media, and consortium members such as Apple and Google, the Unicode Technical Committee put forward a set of five emoji skin tone modifier characters as a solution." 1359976;1451903524;punkman;"By themselves these five characters are intended to be displayed as square fragments of colour, but when combined with any of a defined set of Unicode characters representing people or human body parts they should magically change the character's skin tone." 1359977;1451903714;punkman;"This solution may work for Unicode characters showing a single person, but you may wonder how multiracial emoji symbols showing two or more people with different skin tones could be represented. Would there, for example, be a way of specifying that U+1F46A 👪 family should be rendered with mother, father and child with different skin tones? The answer would seem to be no; but the Emoji Ad 1359978;1451903714;punkman;hoc Committee has come up with an cunning solution that allows for the combination of emoji characters, emoji modifier characters and zero-width joiner characters to produce arbitrary emoji glyphs, where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family." 1359979;1451904088;jurov;yay, hope they will add all the other colors, too. so that gorbachev's head can be accurately rendered 1359980;1451904129;jurov;preferably maintaining X11 colors.txt heritage 1359981;1451904767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.0005174 = 13.1161 BTC [+] {2} 1359982;1451905140;punkman;related http://mic.com/articles/130758/hey-unicode-it-s-about-damn-time-we-had-some-emojis-for-professional-women 1359983;1451905141;assbot;Hey, Unicode, It's About Damn Time We Had Some Emojis for Professional Women - Mic ... ( http://bit.ly/1MOZVUt ) 1359984;1451906253;fluffypony;I'm so glad, I was worried there wouldn't be a way to change the colour of the pony emoji 1359985;1451906262;fluffypony;I want to represent myself as a strong black woman pony 1359986;1451906290;fluffypony;hashtag poniesforchange 1359987;1451906414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00051298 = 2.9753 BTC [-] {2} 1359988;1451908671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120331 @ 0.00051846 = 62.3868 BTC [+] {6} 1359989;1451909145;BingoBoingo;Apparently social engineers at twitter are trying to push #YallQueda and #VanillaISIS on the Oregon narrative 1359990;1451911576;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --currency rmb 1359991;1451911577;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1359992;1451911585;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1359993;1451911591;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 432.54, vol: 4503.65428922 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 429.498, vol: 4564.81865 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.71, vol: 19194.71446735 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 432.093871, vol: 42832.93190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.74, vol: 29.6905739 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 433.63142, vol: 53.30597878 | Volume-weighted last average: 431.852690701 1359994;1451911797;deedbot-;[Qntra] Chinese Stocks Crash Trading Halted - http://qntra.net/2016/01/chinese-stocks-crash-trading-halted/ 1359995;1451911882;BingoBoingo;^ 7 percent drop in CSI300 before trading suspension 1359996;1451911909;BingoBoingo;Fiat markets opening 2016 with some pain 1359997;1451915188;mircea_popescu;davout the sort of dutch oven i use is also made of clay. 1359998;1451915213;fluffypony;and here I thought a Dutch oven was when you farted under the blankets 1359999;1451915504;davout;fluffypony: lol 1360000;1451915537;mircea_popescu;* Tomiii (~Tommiii@garza.riseup.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << lolwut. 1360001;1451915631;mircea_popescu;where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family." << these people fundamentally misunderstand what an alphabet is. 1360002;1451915647;mircea_popescu;seriously, send them oxen back to the farm, there's no need for freeing THESE particular slaves. 1360003;1451915782;mircea_popescu;davout anyway, its usually a 5 liter-ish, unglazed clay pot with a lid (that can be made airtight by applying a butter seal). i usually cook potatoes with meat in them (potatoes on the outside, make a house for hte meat). also great for mousaka, lasagna etc 1360004;1451915936;davout;cool. 1360005;1451915960;davout;next time you make that don't hesitate to share, i'm interdasted :D 1360006;1451915980;mircea_popescu;ima see if teh girls have any pics anywhere. 1360007;1451916010;davout;cunt works too i guess 1360008;1451916015;mircea_popescu;lol 1360009;1451916033;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's cleanned by rubbing well with very coarse salt, then adding water and heating it like that for a while. 1360010;1451916151;punkman;mircea_popescu: isn't the unglazed ceramic porous? 1360011;1451916304;davout;what's that "cleaning" you speak of? 1360012;1451916352;mircea_popescu;it is porous yes. through use it acquires a working glaze tho. 1360013;1451916378;mircea_popescu;davout well since it contains fats, you can't just let it be. 1360014;1451916406;davout;yeah, i don't clean mine because i only cook potatoes in there 1360015;1451916601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4192 @ 0.00051987 = 2.1793 BTC [+] {3} 1360016;1451916662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25285 @ 0.00052015 = 13.152 BTC [+] 1360017;1451917329;punkman;http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread this looks good, gonna try it with the dutch oven 1360018;1451917330;assbot;No-Knead Bread Recipe - NYT Cooking ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKkc6Z ) 1360019;1451917334;jurov;punkman when it's porous it releases steam, aids in cooking 1360020;1451917403;punkman;jurov, gotta soak it first for steam 1360021;1451917477;mircea_popescu;can be soaked or not, depends what you're going for. 1360022;1451917577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24526 @ 0.00052014 = 12.757 BTC [-] {2} 1360023;1451918309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00051298 = 8.6411 BTC [-] 1360024;1451918370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19655 @ 0.00051287 = 10.0805 BTC [-] 1360025;1451918434;mircea_popescu;aww no more voicing of teh okcupiddudes ? 1360026;1451918803;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1360027;1451918828;ascii_butugychag;anybody ever play with https://github.com/GaloisInc/minlibc ? 1360028;1451918830;assbot;GaloisInc/minlibc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKlYF7 ) 1360029;1451918859;ascii_butugychag;quite surprisingly readable. 1360030;1451918983;ascii_butugychag;!s ben_vulpes galois 1360031;1451918984;assbot;2 results for 'ben_vulpes galois' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ben_vulpes+galois 1360032;1451919041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00052043 = 8.8473 BTC [+] {2} 1360033;1451919090;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312463 << hm perhaps ben_vulpes used their libc ? 1360034;1451919090;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 04:44:04; v_diddy: have worked with them numerously! 1360035;1451919372;ascii_butugychag;lulzy, seems like they lifted all the nontrivial pieces (e.g., 'malloc') from *bdf 1360036;1451919374;ascii_butugychag;*bsd 1360037;1451919382;ascii_butugychag;from *bsd. 1360038;1451919464;ascii_butugychag;snorematic. 1360039;1451919503;mircea_popescu;iirc it was just another shrinkwrap attempt 1360040;1451919510;mircea_popescu;(under a "better" name) 1360041;1451919517;ascii_butugychag;shrinkwrap ? 1360042;1451919530;ascii_butugychag;it doesn't link other libc, no 1360043;1451919538;mircea_popescu;"preserve state of the shitstack so our software works" 1360044;1451919550;ascii_butugychag;but has dummy stubs for most of the gnarly bits (fopen, etc) 1360045;1451919645;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i've been thinking lots about your famous silicone whine. (ie, "trb can't exist until etching plant"). from a twu wuv perspective, what we actually need is an alternate technology. i am guessing that a) it will exist and b) whoever deploys it will be trb anyway. 1360046;1451919669;mircea_popescu;gotta make self-meshing petri dishes! 1360047;1451919688;ascii_butugychag;iirc i described several hypothetical variants here. 1360048;1451919693;mircea_popescu;indeed. 1360049;1451919698;ascii_butugychag;or possibly in gpggram 1360050;1451919708;mircea_popescu;central topic at teh conference too 1360051;1451919716;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1360052;1451919748;mircea_popescu;but no. the more i think about it, the more etched silicone is not something you wish to marry to. 1360053;1451919767;mircea_popescu;not anymore than the soviets actually wanted to marry to the hitler-era notions of economic activity and growth 1360054;1451919776;mircea_popescu;"oh we need more steel mills!111 machine factories!!11" 1360055;1451920035;mircea_popescu;to make an alternate but related point : i just ran grep -Fxv -f on two files, about a million records together. the ~quarter mn result took all of two seconds. 1360056;1451920074;mircea_popescu;the idea being that there are two discrete and identifiable uses of computing power. one is as above : leverage for already present intelligence. the other is as in the webstack : compensation for absent intelligence. 1360057;1451920108;mircea_popescu;in economic terms, approach B is A LOT more resource thirsty. from a planning perspective, the world is undeniably going into a resource-scarce phase. 1360058;1451920154;mircea_popescu;as such, it is conceivable that z-80 powered trb can actually drive into the ground 12nm process powered united-prbs. 1360059;1451920302;ascii_butugychag;how's that ? 1360060;1451920325;ascii_butugychag;i actually considered a parallel sov-z80 thing 1360061;1451920332;ascii_butugychag;i/o is the killer. 1360062;1451920333;deedbot-;[Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-december-2015-statement/ 1360063;1451920361;mircea_popescu;well this discussion is too far removed from tactics to be readily wrappable into something that'd make any sort of sense at that level. 1360064;1451920393;ascii_butugychag;do try ? 1360065;1451920399;mircea_popescu;but the point remains that what I use computers for and what they use computers for are very much disjunct, and relevantly so : they require about two or maybe three degrees of magnitude more materiel. 1360066;1451920416;mircea_popescu;soon enough they won't be able to afford to pay for computers. 1360067;1451920421;ascii_butugychag;the ludicrous waste of the wasteful idiots is a thing 1360068;1451920430;ascii_butugychag;but does not cancel bitcoin needing certain horsepower. 1360069;1451920445;mircea_popescu;you have to appreciate tho : to them, it is not a waste. it's a raison d'etre and so fundamental its unwind would make life worth living. 1360070;1451920454;mircea_popescu;indulge me with an example that's domestic for a moment. 1360071;1451920467;mircea_popescu;then we get to the mining issue. 1360072;1451920500;mircea_popescu;so : i am a rich land developer, i buy some land, develop housing. it's 16 lots, which are bought the same year by 16 couples. 1360073;1451920554;mircea_popescu;five years later, the "water table" so to speak changes. like you know, it changed in the ukraine recently, or in moscow in 1988. 1360074;1451920608;mircea_popescu;so sixteen husbands come back home one evening and explain to sixteen wives that honey : a) eating out is out of the question from now on. and b) you're going to wash your scarf by hand. and use it to make a diaper. and then wash it by hand. 1360075;1451920624;mircea_popescu;and c) no, the electricity's not coming back. and no, i don't mean tonight. 1360076;1451920632;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1360077;1451920656;mircea_popescu;now... fact of the matter is that most women to date have lived and thrived and been happy in the "horrible" situation described. 1360078;1451920679;mircea_popescu;the other fact of the matter however is that most if not all of those 16 women don't even own a scarf that could be used as described. because they don't buy by THAT criteria. 1360079;1451920687;mircea_popescu;their shitty plastic thing will be worn through on the 3rd pass. 1360080;1451920730;mircea_popescu;so, to come to terms : the sv circus is already bordering on unable to maintain its presence. which is why "the cloud" and so forth. 1360081;1451920738;ascii_butugychag;most folks who ever lived, happily lived and died within a few metres of the the ground. but fall out of just one airplane... 1360082;1451920744;ascii_butugychag;splat is a thing 1360083;1451920765;mircea_popescu;they won't be able to keep on supplying themselves with computers capable to make "fair" unicode. 1360084;1451920777;mircea_popescu;i suspect they won't wish to live in the alternate world. 1360085;1451920779;mircea_popescu;and so... 1360086;1451920782;ascii_butugychag;they recently switched to meat compilers 1360087;1451920801;mircea_popescu;does this actually coallesce into a point or not yet ? 1360088;1451920825;ascii_butugychag;well it calls to mind the 'death of the middle' thread 1360089;1451920847;ascii_butugychag;there isn't really a collapse scenario where z80 remains 1360090;1451920850;mircea_popescu;the middle died long ago. my idea is that one of the horns is headed for a major splat, and well... it likes to think there's not another horn. fortunately this is not so. 1360091;1451920858;mircea_popescu;and why not ? 1360092;1451921015;ascii_butugychag;not so much of a difference in tech level required b/w z80 and pen 1360093;1451921023;ascii_butugychag;(pentium) 1360094;1451921034;mircea_popescu;tbh, i had originally written pentium i and then cancelled it out. 1360095;1451921048;mircea_popescu;understand, the problem hre is not of "available technology". the technology stays avaiolable throughout. 1360096;1451921063;mircea_popescu;crisis is, by and large, a process in the heads of the people. 1360097;1451921083;ascii_butugychag;'available' is complicated 1360098;1451921084;mircea_popescu;it's the essential item of "what's worth". do you recall the kid that got a truck for his birthday ? 1360099;1451921089;ascii_butugychag;were roman baths 'available' in 900 ad ? 1360100;1451921100;ascii_butugychag;hm? 1360101;1451921105;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out 1360102;1451921206;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRWjN6aRDEU 1360103;1451921207;assbot;New Truck for Dumb Kid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpjk3o ) 1360104;1451921220;mircea_popescu;the truck is available. but it IS NOT WORTH IT. and besides... all the other kids will laugh at him. 1360105;1451921241;mircea_popescu;you see... it's not a problem that there won't be infrastructure available. it'll just "not be worth using". what, it can't even unicode in colors ? 1360106;1451921277;ascii_butugychag;ah that 1360107;1451921281;mircea_popescu;yes that. 1360108;1451921296;ascii_butugychag;i still see a 2-layered enemy 1360109;1451921312;mircea_popescu;lemme fish out the conversation with this worthless dumbass, it is apropos. 1360110;1451921313;ascii_butugychag;where you have the emoji l0ltr0nicists 1360111;1451921322;ascii_butugychag;and the actual working folk 1360112;1451921348;ascii_butugychag;ft meade will not close down on account of emoji. 1360113;1451921575;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3FPNGB5 < there you go. 1360114;1451921577;assbot;dpaste: 3FPNGB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKpmQg ) 1360115;1451921639;mircea_popescu;if she had to repay all her debts (and forget the financial angle - if she had to do all the work to count as educated at the level of education she perceives herself to occupy, manifest inability to think or even spell be damned) she'd simply figure "life is not worht living" and lie in a ditch to die. 1360116;1451921658;mircea_popescu;and there is no special ft meade. we're the only special interest that exists. otherwise, ft meade still has to hire from the emoji, and it does. 1360117;1451921670;mircea_popescu;as a result it ends up embarassed by charlotte manning or w/e that was. 1360118;1451921731;ascii_butugychag;operational garbage gets 'embarrassed', yes, hires from emoji. -- but cryptographers ? 1360119;1451921735;ascii_butugychag;silicon diddlers ? 1360120;1451921738;ascii_butugychag;mno. 1360121;1451921754;mircea_popescu;i'm unpersuaded. 1360122;1451921763;mircea_popescu;for one thing, what you're proposing is patently NOT FAIR. 1360123;1451921777;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1360124;1451921778;mircea_popescu;and as such, a subclass of "so just stop using the damned colored unicode bs". not gonna happen. 1360125;1451921791;mircea_popescu;because if you can you must and because zero one infinity, and so therefore, life's not worth living. 1360126;1451921816;ascii_butugychag;what i propose is that the cheap shed skin of the snake, is not the snake. 1360127;1451921838;mircea_popescu;no government can ever be as complex as a snake. 1360128;1451921842;mircea_popescu;the most it can achieve is dogvomit. 1360129;1451921852;mircea_popescu;wherein there is some rudimentary sensation and motility as an aggregate. 1360130;1451921892;mircea_popescu;(fuligo septica, the slime mold) 1360131;1451922033;ascii_butugychag;as a whole - yes 1360132;1451922076;jurov;mircea_popescu: i don't get the premise, you're able to grep gigabyte in 2s on z80? 1360133;1451922121;ascii_butugychag;on N z80. 1360134;1451922123;mircea_popescu;jurov no, the point is that what i need the things to do, they do well and i have space to spare (heck, i went for breakfast, figuring it'll take minutes. it would have been fine if it did). meanwhile what THEY need to do, the machines already can't cope with. 1360135;1451922132;mircea_popescu;so there's a major differential, which colors the discussion. 1360136;1451922337;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> as a whole - yes <<< and as individuals, refer to http://qntra.net/2015/12/sound-money-everything-else-you-got/ 1360137;1451922338;assbot;Sound Money > Everything Else You Got | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKqaEI ) 1360138;1451922351;jurov;obv yes, you can run the job during breakfast, but bitcoin can't do it with blocks 1360139;1451922367;mircea_popescu;jurov i wanted to detach the mining discussion from this discussion, because it is unrelated. 1360140;1451922399;mircea_popescu;so detached : bitcoin mining still has to follow the rules. consequently, how much power goes into it in absolute terms is irrelevant. 1360141;1451922417;jurov;so you say that since you don't need custom silicon, the problem does not exist? 1360142;1451922434;mircea_popescu;the only thing that matters is the relative terms, ie, relative of total available. this makes the whole line moot, yes it'll be 50%+1 in all worlds, whether powered by pen on paper or star-sized megacomps. 1360143;1451922464;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1360144;1451922466;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1360145;1451922502;jurov;i was talking about blocks/transaction verification, not mining either 1360146;1451922540;ascii_butugychag;fact is, you can't z80-mine on a planet with asic miners, etc 1360147;1451922568;jurov;even without it, can z80 verify block in 10mins at all? 1360148;1451922575;mircea_popescu;yes, but this doesn't matter : on a planet with z80s you can mine with z80s, and on a planet with asics the asics that mine STILL have to mine. 1360149;1451922610;mircea_popescu;so they'll be 1hr blocks, what difference does it make ? 1360150;1451922615;ascii_butugychag;did martians land and confiscate the asics while i slept ? 1360151;1451922626;jurov;^ 1360152;1451922634;mircea_popescu;not afaik. 1360153;1451922712;jurov;the scenario "we will plod on z80 with 1 block/hr" calls for all of the existing hw to become suddenly unsuitable for mining 1360154;1451922721;jurov;mircea_popescu: you predict this will be the case? 1360155;1451922726;mircea_popescu;this is not what's being discussed. 1360156;1451922771;mircea_popescu;but anyway : if it gets so bad that no further chips can in fact be manufactured at some point, then yes over time existing hw will become unusable. maybe a few decades tops. 1360157;1451922823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41688 @ 0.00051957 = 21.6598 BTC [-] 1360158;1451922835;mircea_popescu;the point however is not this. the point is that... hm, how should it put it so it clicks. looky here : usgavin and his merry cattle troop were not ranting about moore's law for no cause, early on. they represent not some people, not some institutions, but some beliefs and a way of life. a culture. 1360159;1451922848;mircea_popescu;that culture depends on, and knows it depends on, a specific sort of infalted delivery of hardware. 1360160;1451922869;mircea_popescu;that i crushed them like worms last year doesn't JUST mean i now have gavin's head and yet another painful humiliation inflicted upon usg's asshole. 1360161;1451922880;mircea_popescu;it means a lot more than that. this fork will come stab them in the eye again and again AND AGAIN. 1360162;1451922901;mircea_popescu;no more moore's law means no colored unicode emoji just like it means no "big blocks" 1360163;1451922924;ascii_butugychag;in '90s folks predicted death of microshit for same reason. 1360164;1451922927;ascii_butugychag;still waiting. 1360165;1451922935;mircea_popescu;that microshit did die, notably. 1360166;1451922946;mircea_popescu;much like walmart died and became the dept of ebt. 1360167;1451922975;mircea_popescu;but yes : the policy of socialist government is to keep rolling up its failures. until it hits a hard limit. 1360168;1451922977;ascii_butugychag;i would like, possibly more than most, to live in z80 planet. 1360169;1451922982;mircea_popescu;this thing we're discussing here is such a hard limit. 1360170;1451922990;jurov;what thing? 1360171;1451922992;ascii_butugychag;but it won't come back, any more than piston engined fighter airplane 1360172;1451923009;mircea_popescu;the point, mind you, isn't even a "z80" planet. and yes i think that extremely unlikely. 1360173;1451923026;mircea_popescu;the point is that we need computing power to increase logarithmically and they need computing power to increase exponentially. 1360174;1451923034;mircea_popescu;this difference has already chosen winners and losers. 1360175;1451923072;mircea_popescu;i can do the grepping i do on computers as they are. and if they'll be twice as fast i won't notice. like i've not noticed any improvement since the 90s. 1360176;1451923090;mircea_popescu;THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve". 1360177;1451923172;ascii_butugychag;yes, at some point they will have to stop using progressively-dumber 'coderz' 1360178;1451923182;ascii_butugychag;but what of it 1360179;1451923183;mircea_popescu;this is not an available option. 1360180;1451923195;mircea_popescu;the coderz are getting progressively dumber as an unavoidable necessity. 1360181;1451923214;mircea_popescu;you're saying "at some point they'll have to stop marrying progressively more annoying lazy bitches" 1360182;1451923217;mircea_popescu;this is not something they can do. 1360183;1451923245;mircea_popescu;for as long as you're committed to not beating the woman, the necessary result is a vicious circle of ever more annoying, lazy bitches. 1360184;1451923271;ascii_butugychag;already they began the 'deskilling' 1360185;1451923283;ascii_butugychag;(replacing machine operations with meat) 1360186;1451923290;mircea_popescu;won't hold. 1360187;1451923293;ascii_butugychag;java, for instance, was a major step in this direction 1360188;1451923297;ascii_butugychag;as was the www shitstack 1360189;1451923300;mircea_popescu;meat is notoriously NOT exponentialable. 1360190;1451923306;mircea_popescu;so this is a retreat not any sort of step forward. 1360191;1451923315;ascii_butugychag;but can be linearly stacked. 1360192;1451923323;mircea_popescu;linear doesn't help here. 1360193;1451923339;mircea_popescu;what the "democratic" socialism needs is exponential. hence its love of "science". 1360194;1451923356;ascii_butugychag;i don't see why it needs exponential 1360195;1451923375;mircea_popescu;you recall my explanation as to why any socialism is always and necessarilyt going to be unsatisfactory to the ruled mass ? 1360196;1451923385;ascii_butugychag;because -ev ? 1360197;1451923389;mircea_popescu;nope. 1360198;1451923421;ascii_butugychag;hm 1360199;1451923431;ascii_butugychag;then why 1360200;1451923573;mircea_popescu;there are two items here. item I : http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-61.0-65.800 1360201;1451923574;assbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mvbDyS ) 1360202;1451923606;mircea_popescu;item ii : for very good evolutionary reasons, a geometric increase in stimulus is required for a mere linear increase in sensation. 1360203;1451923627;mircea_popescu;these two work together to produce a very unhappy populace even in the ideal case socialism. 1360204;1451923650;ascii_butugychag;mega-paste btw 1360205;1451923712;mircea_popescu;heh. 1360206;1451923771;ascii_butugychag;the specimen is typical ? 1360207;1451923793;mircea_popescu;of her class, yes. 1360208;1451923827;mircea_popescu;this is what "civilisation" misunderstood as no beatings and overgenerous welfare (such as school loans, and such as alimony, and so on) has created. 1360209;1451923894;ascii_butugychag;did it create it, or just pipe it to where you can smell it ?? 1360210;1451923928;mircea_popescu;i'm satisfied that it created it. 1360211;1451923983;mircea_popescu;the marked similarities with the legal notion and cultural mores of the decaying roman empire, and the strict disjunction from the legal notions and cultural mores of the flourishing roman early republic, or the other republics avaialble gives the story away. 1360212;1451924007;mircea_popescu;this is the situation of proletarians moved into kulak dwellings, heating themselves with the imported french furniture. 1360213;1451924024;mircea_popescu;"civilisation" of oxyurs and mites. 1360214;1451924087;ascii_butugychag;now this, yes 1360215;1451924181;mircea_popescu;that aside, men have been feeding women since before hammurabi. but, much like the matter of charity, structural differences make the difference. 1360216;1451924181;ascii_butugychag;'you are last' << wat's that mean 1360217;1451924195;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1360218;1451924200;ascii_butugychag;from paste 1360219;1451924230;mircea_popescu;heh i dunno, the sound of derp having an aneurism. 1360220;1451924266;mircea_popescu;and honestly, i blame you dumb fucks. that dumbass lived her entire life without anyone ever telling her what her place in the world is, i'm ready to bet. it's a shameful fucking situation. 1360221;1451924293;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1360222;1451924312;mircea_popescu;see something like that, say something like that for crying out loud. how the fuck are they to know when they're out of line if you never tell 'em ? 1360223;1451924349;*;ascii_butugychag drives past 'see sumthing say sumthing' billboard every day. usually it has a very cute, furry demon pictured 1360224;1451924384;mircea_popescu;heh 1360225;1451924404;ascii_butugychag;actually latest one has a big eye with arms, legs, holding magnifying glass 1360226;1451924482;ascii_butugychag;and mircea_popescu may be confusing 'is' and 'ought' - the woman's place-in-the-world is something quite like titled nobility, as it is 1360227;1451924494;mircea_popescu;i never saw this. 1360228;1451924516;ascii_butugychag;naturally. we all look like ants from the porthole of mircea_popescu's atomic dirigible 1360229;1451924530;mircea_popescu;what can i say. 1360230;1451924628;mircea_popescu;there seems to be a pervasive meta-conviction that so and so, but i have never yet encountered the thing it purports as a practical matter. as best i can determine it's just another fashion, self-induced. people have read "on the internet" that the government hid elvis in hoffa's urinary tract and so now "everyone thinks so". 1360231;1451924680;mircea_popescu;pasted material being point in case, the woman "just knows" that i'm not attractive, notwithstanding that i'm willing to bet that's the most popular profile on the entire site, and what the fuck would she know about what gets teeny sluts hot anyway ?! 1360232;1451924698;mircea_popescu;not like she's fucking any. 1360233;1451924716;ascii_butugychag;she 'knows' in the same sense priest 'knows' sinner is hell-bound 1360234;1451924751;mircea_popescu;yeah well... good luck and all that, but it seems i'm discussing the is and she the ought. 1360235;1451924787;mircea_popescu;i have no doubt that yes, if we wish for her heavily indebted persona to be evenr marginally sustainable then yeah, i OUGHT to be unattractive etc. 1360236;1451924827;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that supplied with the choice of "enforce this hag's worldview" or "enforce mp's worldview", young women tend to prefer the latter. 1360237;1451924844;mircea_popescu;and what's worse, they tend to prefer the latter disproportionately by quality. 1360238;1451924859;mircea_popescu;!up thestringpuller 1360239;1451924880;mircea_popescu;no idea why this'd be surprising really. 1360240;1451924909;thestringpuller;so 2 bitcoin "companies" believe miners control bitcoin...... 1360241;1451924942;thestringpuller;USG is doing the disinformation thing in Bitcoin 1360242;1451924958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9462 @ 0.00051957 = 4.9162 BTC [-] 1360243;1451925194;copypaste;are those companies VC funded? 1360244;1451925211;copypaste;if the best fiat can buy is such a poor understanding of bitcoin, we really have nothing to worry about 1360245;1451925304;mircea_popescu;well... teh pr machine's looking for some hook on this slippery eel. 1360246;1451925354;copypaste;also, mircea_popescu, if i may ask you what you think of the end of the Merchant of Venice, in this article http://trilema.com/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws you quote a good portion of it, but skip the end of the proceedings where the out of town lawyer is invited in and (nonsensically, in a deus ex machina way, in my opinion) determines that blood is not part of one's flesh and therefore the 1360247;1451925355;assbot;The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG4vJb ) 1360248;1451925356;copypaste;contract is unenforceable and goes on to seize all of the merchant's money or however it goes 1360249;1451925380;copypaste;i just found it odd how you skipped the end is all 1360250;1451925405;mircea_popescu;copypaste i think it's nonsensical pandering and not really worth the mention. 1360251;1451925439;copypaste;so we're in agreement then, even Shakespeare, one of the so called greats, pandered often in his plays for "widespread appeal" 1360252;1451925440;mircea_popescu;guy had to do a travesti because that's what a comedy was at the time. the situation of true romance is very similar : compare tarantino's own cut with the bullshit the studio released. 1360253;1451925445;copypaste;good to know, thank you 1360254;1451925460;mircea_popescu;shakespeare is difficult to match in many ways, chief among which his inclination to pander. 1360255;1451925469;copypaste;hehehe 1360256;1451925471;mircea_popescu;he's an utter slut. i don't believe this detracts. 1360257;1451925504;copypaste;oh no, up until that point it was an excellent metaphor, i understand why you left it where you did 1360258;1451925540;ascii_butugychag;meanwhile... 'Spurious check failures happen for machines without ECC memory. Of our test systems, all machines with Intel CPUs as well as some AMD low-end systems lack ECC. This is a result of that AMD supports ECC generally while Intel only supports ECC for Xeon CPUs relying on more expensive motherboards. But the GMP project is struggling to afford even the cheapest hardware.' 1360259;1451925550;ascii_butugychag;and: 'We recently added testing with clang, which resulted in lots of new failures. These are not caused by GMP bugs, but rather by clang bugs, or on some case by compatibility problems between GCC and clang (the latter claims to be GCC and thereby is assumed to be compatible). It is in most cases not possible for the GMP team to resolve this situation. For now, avoid clang if you care about correctness.' 1360260;1451925562;ascii_butugychag;(from https://gmplib.org/devel/tm-date.html where else) 1360261;1451925564;assbot;GMP testing status ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG4HZ0 ) 1360262;1451925636;mircea_popescu;no i mean, i don't believe shakespeare's loose mores detracts from his literary value. 1360263;1451925679;mircea_popescu;bwahahah what! 1360264;1451925694;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1360265;1451925714;copypaste;clang claims to be gcc? the things people do for "compatibility" 1360266;1451925730;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: apple ships boxes where gcc is symlinked to clang 1360267;1451925734;ascii_butugychag;afaik nowhere else. 1360268;1451925778;copypaste;apple also ships boxes where the batteries cannot be removed and where in less free countries using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal 1360269;1451925812;ascii_butugychag;now that's sop in winblowzland also. 1360270;1451925838;copypaste;depending on the manufacturer 1360271;1451925852;ascii_butugychag;and afaik they don't sell any where it is epoxied in, you can unscrew the case and remove all you like 1360272;1451925869;mircea_popescu; using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal << what ? 1360273;1451925874;copypaste;i was talking about iphones :D 1360274;1451925880;copypaste;it's a box, just a smaller one 1360275;1451925889;mircea_popescu;so how is it illegal to use your iphone as a fucking doorstop if that's what you want. 1360276;1451925900;ascii_butugychag;i don't think anybody here gives half a fuck re: ipNohe 1360277;1451925919;copypaste;mircea_popescu: to use an iphone as a GPC, you first have to jailbreak it; which requires reverse engineering, which requires breaking the USG DMCA anti-circumvention law 1360278;1451925929;copypaste;note how i qualified that based on the country you are in determines the legality 1360279;1451925953;*;mircea_popescu shrugs 1360280;1451925961;mircea_popescu;i'm unfamiliar with any jurisdiction where i'd give a shit. 1360281;1451925998;ascii_butugychag;at any rate i can't see how this relates, nobody compiles on motherfucking phone 1360282;1451926022;ascii_butugychag;not any more than ~compiles on~ nintendo. 1360283;1451926025;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag for my curiosity, what's the desktop equivalent of the shits, do you happen to know ? 1360284;1451926036;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: which shits 1360285;1451926040;mircea_popescu;iphones. 1360286;1451926047;ascii_butugychag;ipad ? 1360287;1451926051;ascii_butugychag;or perhaps super-ipad 1360288;1451926056;ascii_butugychag;(recent product) 1360289;1451926056;mircea_popescu;uh. 1360290;1451926057;copypaste;you could run linux on the Nintendo DS 1360291;1451926073;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: go, run. 1360292;1451926077;*;mircea_popescu withdraws his misshod question. 1360293;1451926101;ascii_butugychag;i have netbsd running on, what, a dead squirrel in a cardboard box maybe, somewhere. 1360294;1451926102;ascii_butugychag;what of this. 1360295;1451926107;copypaste;and "nobody" does do it because apple both makes it difficult and it makes no economic sense, an iphone is essentially a rasberry pi with a screen and so on - small computers have their uses 1360296;1451926128;copypaste;but it can still be done, you can compile GCC on an iphone after jailbreaking it 1360297;1451926134;copypaste;or GMP, or whatever you'd like 1360298;1451926141;copypaste;bitcoin foundation core even 1360299;1451926338;mircea_popescu;copypaste small computers may have their uses, but 70% of the iphone is the touch sensitive screen, if you'rer going to spend the money might as well put more % of it towards buying thew actual small computer you wanted. 1360300;1451926363;copypaste;sure, but perhaps you wanted a screen to give it input 1360301;1451926400;mircea_popescu;yes, or perhaps i wanted a cow mounted on my kitchen wall to give me milk. 1360302;1451926406;copypaste;sounds good to me 1360303;1451926410;copypaste;:) 1360304;1451926426;copypaste;in india the cow is sacred after all - that's every indian nobleman's dream 1360305;1451926439;copypaste;a cow to lick his dick and another cow to marry 1360306;1451926443;copypaste;perhaps the same cow 1360307;1451926490;mircea_popescu;i've never been to india. 1360308;1451926537;copypaste;neither have i - but i read a news report where they killed a muslim because he ate beef 1360309;1451926552;copypaste;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/indian-muslim-accused-beef-smuggling-beaten-to-death 1360310;1451926553;assbot;Indian Muslim accused of beef smuggling beaten to death | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG5ER6 ) 1360311;1451926637;mircea_popescu;in a country where human herd stampedes regularly kills hundreds, any death reports with finer granularity are irrelevant anyway. 1360312;1451926986;copypaste;lol https://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-western-myth-of-bitcoin-in-kenya 1360313;1451926988;assbot;The Western Myth of Bitcoin in Kenya | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG6cpW ) 1360314;1451928231;*;mircea_popescu realises with unmitigated horror that now he's going to have to rewrite the fucking merchant of venice 1360315;1451928234;mircea_popescu;curse you copypaste 1360316;1451928415;mircea_popescu;""People want to hear about how bitcoin can help fight poverty. Talking about how some guy is getting rich? The audience in the West is not really interested in that." heh, the audience of Taylillevi5's might not wish to know about it. but they are fucking irrelevant to any discussion of anything whatsoever. 1360317;1451928420;copypaste;:D 1360318;1451928437;copypaste;mircea_popescu: no one ever said that rewriting history would be easy, mind 1360319;1451928446;mircea_popescu;motherfucker 1360320;1451928482;mircea_popescu;at any rate, history dun even enter into it. the thing's broken for no good reason. 1360321;1451928500;copypaste;and further - i've read your essays about dead books, you can simply put the merchant onto the trash heap. although i'd rather it not be placed there 1360322;1451928550;copypaste;indeed it is, but if anyone is capable of fixing it it's you 1360323;1451929289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0005141 = 5.3981 BTC [-] {2} 1360324;1451931840;punkman;!up Dava 1360325;1451931988;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/M9IaYyP.png 1360326;1451931989;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6JcOc ) 1360327;1451932583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00051411 = 10.0766 BTC [+] 1360328;1451934361;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1360329;1451934367;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 433.03, vol: 5037.66858564 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 431.998, vol: 5548.41418 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.53, vol: 15716.99348106 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 0.09825727 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 434.1069, vol: 38363.77280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.0101, vol: 47.90695399 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 432.3389, vol: 81.99687675 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1360330;1451934526;BingoBoingo;;;more 1360331;1451934527;gribble;433.214508283 1360332;1451934535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42760 @ 0.00051809 = 22.1535 BTC [+] {4} 1360333;1451936732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00051197 = 26.5712 BTC [-] {3} 1360334;1451938815;deedbot-;[Qntra] Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm - http://qntra.net/2016/01/radeon-refresh-gets-shrink-to-14-nm/ 1360335;1451940070;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1359960 << lol lemme guess, these kids think 'pollution' is carbon but nox is just 'inconvenient' ? either way, kinda funny how non-oil freight shipping is in trouble atm and the 'evil carbon' payloads are the only profitable cargo. 1360336;1451940070;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 07:46:16; punkman: "Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW 1360337;1451940480;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/#c5483 << dayum. the injuns pulled it off. 1360338;1451940481;assbot;BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 20 hours 48 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1INh461 ) 1360339;1451940651;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1360340;1451940913;thestringpuller;I'm convinced all news right now is just idiots derping. 1360341;1451940933;pete_dushenski;(except qntra) 1360342;1451941004;thestringpuller;I find it hard to find something to Qntra cause news i find is just derps derpin' around 1360343;1451941016;thestringpuller;Like Coinbase complaining 1360344;1451941019;thestringpuller;or Bitpay complaining 1360345;1451941039;pete_dushenski;what are you reading ? reddit ? 1360346;1451941039;BingoBoingo;Speaking of... Anybody know what's going on with Junk Bonds right now and how it means the fiat order is doomed? 1360347;1451941058;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: news.google.com 1360348;1451941072;pete_dushenski;l0l like that's different ? 1360349;1451941124;pete_dushenski;trump's instagram is better than that 1360350;1451941125;mircea_popescu;junk bonds are always noise. 1360351;1451941160;thestringpuller;i thought instagram was invented so rappers could holla at basic white girls who hang out at da club. 1360352;1451941168;BingoBoingo;For some reason they started generating a lot of noise this weekend. Bunch of derps yelling BUY and such. 1360353;1451941332;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: that's why instagram is ~successful~, as least in terms of userbase, which'd be the only metric sv can conceive of 1360354;1451941351;pete_dushenski;though iirc instagram implemented advertising recently ? 1360355;1451941924;pete_dushenski;!up Tomiii 1360356;1451941997;pete_dushenski;you can speak now 1360357;1451942260;thestringpuller;Ugh. I'm so tired. 1360358;1451942280;pete_dushenski;how come ? 1360359;1451942297;thestringpuller;sinus season. also not used to being at a desk for 8 hours again. 1360360;1451942329;pete_dushenski;i thought sinus season was in the spring 1360361;1451942339;thestringpuller;For me its winter and spring. 1360362;1451942357;thestringpuller;Also didn't get to go to microcenter to get a new hard drive for big 'ol blockchain, these tards want to make even bigger. 1360363;1451942358;*;pete_dushenski doesn't have allergies, doesn't get sick since sleep ad libitum 1360364;1451942404;pete_dushenski;tevye at 350`120 1360365;1451942446;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: why not order hdd online ? 1360366;1451942469;shinohai;"garza.riseup.net" <<<" 2 new signatures 1360557;1451957101;kakobrekla;gpg: Total number processed: 1 1360558;1451957101;kakobrekla;gpg: new signatures: 2 1360559;1451957148;kakobrekla;try assbot 1360560;1451957167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00051406 = 10.4611 BTC [+] {2} 1360561;1451957182;kakobrekla;k 1360562;1451957183;asciilifeform;ty kakobrekla 1360563;1451957209;kakobrekla;bunch mumbo jumbo always worx 1360564;1451957308;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, seems like time to stock up on 5 gallon buckets and ass to bucket adapter to have shit ready for when graves happen. 1360565;1451957355;asciilifeform;subkeys are pure, unadulterated retardation 1360566;1451957358;asciilifeform;(see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284618 ) 1360567;1451957358;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:08; mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head." 1360568;1451957362;asciilifeform;and other threadz 1360569;1451957490;kakobrekla;didnt a few ba folks write gpg tutorials including subkey handling not 2 years ago 1360570;1451957694;asciilifeform;possibly 1360571;1451957714;asciilifeform;but everybody (with the apparent sole exception of asciilifeform) is doing the whole 'no expire date' thing 1360572;1451957715;BingoBoingo;I don't think I covered any thing about the subkeys in mine. One of the things passed around before that LOVED subkeys. 1360573;1451957735;BingoBoingo;A subkey for every device that might be captured it advocated 1360574;1451957756;kakobrekla;asciilifeform that or get kicked out of mpex 1360575;1451957756;asciilifeform;subkey is one of those things that could be a useful idea IF IT WORKED and WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED BY IDIOT 1360576;1451957776;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: my understanding was that mpex users kept a separate, unpublished pubkey just for it 1360577;1451957811;kakobrekla;some perhaps do. 1360578;1451957846;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360407 << it's... not on FB. or on "Telegram". i'm feeling all babbage-like over here. 1360579;1451957846;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 21:58:41; Tomiii: so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc? 1360580;1451957852;asciilifeform;my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with ! 1360581;1451957874;asciilifeform;anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ? 1360582;1451957877;asciilifeform;(the one on the tits) 1360583;1451957882;mircea_popescu;"subkey" belongs exactly in the same pile "expiration date" belongs in 1360584;1451957889;mircea_popescu;they're "your picture" 1360585;1451957897;asciilifeform;it will all go to same pyre. 1360586;1451957899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36849 @ 0.00051089 = 18.8258 BTC [-] {2} 1360587;1451957926;asciilifeform;but presently it is plugged in and quite annoying 1360588;1451957929;mircea_popescu;but yes - i would have loved to be a bff of gpg. instead we're just best enemies. 1360589;1451957960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12289 @ 0.00050524 = 6.2089 BTC [-] {3} 1360590;1451957963;asciilifeform;the sin, it turns out, was a mortal one, and there from the very beginning: 1360591;1451957978;asciilifeform;it is in the attempt to divorce the abstraction of what the user is doing from the actual rsa (moduli) 1360592;1451957990;mircea_popescu;go on ? 1360593;1451958005;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360580 1360594;1451958005;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 01:37:32; asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with ! 1360595;1451958013;asciilifeform;sorta like the lack of coin control in bitcoin 1360596;1451958037;asciilifeform;(the idiot 'wallet' abstraction) 1360597;1451958039;asciilifeform;same exact idiocy 1360598;1451958061;mircea_popescu;so basically "trying to be a service". 1360599;1451958079;mircea_popescu;fucking brain rot. all these brogrammers have nfi what the point of programming computers even is. 1360600;1451958102;asciilifeform;'have nfi what the point' would be an ~improvement~ 1360601;1451958108;asciilifeform;instead they have a maximally perverse idea 1360602;1451958113;asciilifeform;'make this usable by monkey' 1360603;1451958129;asciilifeform;but you cannot make even bulldozer 'usable by monkey', much less pgptron 1360604;1451958149;asciilifeform;instead you only end up with monkey who is a danger to self and others. 1360605;1451958171;kakobrekla;and a crappy bulldozer 1360606;1451958173;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1360607;1451958179;mircea_popescu;as phf ironically points out. 1360608;1451958219;*;mircea_popescu is somewhat surprised at how in the log, the deep understanding comes from the newb! 1360609;1451958250;asciilifeform;the other interesting part is that IT LIES 1360610;1451958265;asciilifeform;e.g., the foo bar example, 1360611;1451958275;asciilifeform;'Key ID - 0xB98228A001ABFFC7' 1360612;1451958285;asciilifeform;but looks like the actual rsa op was carried out WITH THE SUBKEY 1360613;1451958289;asciilifeform;how this was ever tolerated ? 1360614;1451958315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a longstanding bit of C"S" idiocy. somehow the idea of a "painless" subsystem is "a subsystem that lies about being in pain". if organs worked like that we'd be all dead. 1360615;1451958333;asciilifeform;this is a classic case of what mircea_popescu spoke of in the earlier thread - 'illicitly uses thing outside of itself' 1360616;1451958397;asciilifeform;obligatory crackpottery, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=278 1360617;1451958398;assbot;Loper OS » Seventh Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1RnpCSn ) 1360618;1451958410;asciilifeform;'The machine shall never tell a lie to the operator.' 1360619;1451958420;asciilifeform;SHALL NEVER TELL A MOTHERFUCKING LIE to operator !11111 1360620;1451958434;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360438 << the more important difference is re : identity. the POINT of social media is to make it possible for entities devoid of identity to seemingly communicate. the point of b-a is to make it fucking impossible for entities devoid of identity to pretend they're communicating. 1360621;1451958434;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 23:08:28; phf: in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes. 1360622;1451958449;mircea_popescu;the former paradigm works well for people without identity. the latter is ideal for people with. 1360623;1451958485;asciilifeform;!s dead souls 1360624;1451958486;assbot;17 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls 1360625;1451958492;mircea_popescu;neatly mirroring the dichotomy discussed earlier today, about the group that is trying to use computers to compensate by its members outright lack of intelligence, vs the group that is tryi9ng to use computers to leverage the already present intelligence of its members. 1360626;1451958510;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Tomiii 1360627;1451958510;assbot;Tomiii is not registered in WoT. 1360628;1451958515;mircea_popescu;go fix that noob. 1360629;1451958569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will note, re "lying", that in my extensive experience 90% of beatings that ever get administered do get administered to a crying, repentful slave that does not believe she was lying. 1360630;1451958581;mircea_popescu;it is exceedingly difficult to not lie if bereft of sane priors. 1360631;1451958601;mircea_popescu;no, that doesn't make lying not lying, but it does make the problem of not lying as an idiot intractable. 1360632;1451958610;asciilifeform;actually it is difficult for machine to lie without having been constructed with malice 1360633;1451958616;mircea_popescu;or stupidity. 1360634;1451958622;mircea_popescu;stupidity is an exceptional proxy for malice. 1360635;1451958623;asciilifeform;normally there is not much space between 'white noise' and 'works' 1360636;1451958642;mircea_popescu;the problem is that complex systems are not obviously normal-izable. 1360637;1451958652;mircea_popescu;hence fractals. 1360638;1451958680;asciilifeform;at any rate, my axiom specifically concerned deliberate untruths 1360639;1451958689;asciilifeform;(as in, intended by the builder) 1360640;1451958693;mircea_popescu;your definition of deliberateness is weak. 1360641;1451958706;asciilifeform;e.g., 'hidden files' in winblowz, etc 1360642;1451958725;mircea_popescu;nope. all programs hide the heap. why does that not qualify ? 1360643;1451958765;mircea_popescu;(ftr that's the fucking definition of the heap : program's own notebook, that it doesn't show you) 1360644;1451958773;kakobrekla;unix has same 1360645;1451958792;asciilifeform;and your gurlz hide their guts 1360646;1451958796;mircea_popescu;quite. 1360647;1451958804;mircea_popescu;you know the first strip tease story ? 1360648;1451958835;asciilifeform;hm? 1360649;1451958855;mircea_popescu;bored eastern ruler, is presented with novel entertainment. girl comes and slowly strips to music. 1360650;1451958869;mircea_popescu;once she's buck naked the music stops and teh guy inquires why the fuck she stopped ? he was having fun! 1360651;1451958871;mircea_popescu;so she's skinned alive. 1360652;1451958883;asciilifeform;reads like a variant of 'i drill my own holez!1111' 1360653;1451958930;mircea_popescu;well... "hiding", you know ? whassat. 1360654;1451958984;asciilifeform;where was it... in koran ??? that had the reminder of 'woman is merely a vessel of guts!111' 1360655;1451959004;mircea_popescu;i just burn 'em, i dun read 'em. 1360656;1451959027;asciilifeform;at any rate, the problem is never abstraction as such, but leaking abstraction. 1360657;1451959044;asciilifeform;as in, woman which has no back side and you put your arms around, and out come the viscera 1360658;1451959059;mircea_popescu;aha. 1360659;1451959103;*;asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet 1360660;1451959119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00050396 = 7.1058 BTC [-] {2} 1360661;1451959227;mircea_popescu;mind the backside@ 1360662;1451959236;mircea_popescu;too pokey down there guts may well come out! 1360663;1451960035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00050396 = 6.8287 BTC [-] 1360664;1451960169;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/hJUcwC8.jpg 1360665;1451960170;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZL8WqQ ) 1360666;1451960522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43994 @ 0.00050212 = 22.0903 BTC [-] {2} 1360667;1451960704;BingoBoingo;It's a beached Karpeles https://i.sli.mg/RtTDdp.jpg 1360668;1451960705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZL9rBb ) 1360669;1451960787;kakobrekla;dunno if he can afford all that food 1360670;1451960897;BingoBoingo;Well he ate mt gox into collapse 1360671;1451961073;mats;pls no 1360672;1451961306;ben_vulpes;what is the latest and greatest on the oregon thing? 1360673;1451961559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00050559 = 6.2951 BTC [+] {2} 1360674;1451961568;BingoBoingo;I've seen no loss of victory since http://qntra.net/2016/01/candidates-in-us-denouce-oregon-liberators/ 1360675;1451961569;assbot;Candidates In US Denounce Oregon Liberators | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZLa6CQ ) 1360676;1451961863;mircea_popescu;abhababa what the fuck is that. 1360677;1451961962;BingoBoingo;Bunch of presidential candidates not-Trump from USia's other socialist party are denouncing the liberating militia's actions in Oregon 1360678;1451962001;BingoBoingo;TV and talk radio conveniently ignore the Bundy ranch is still successfully defended from Federal forces 1360679;1451962204;ben_vulpes;heh is that so? 1360680;1451962234;BingoBoingo;It seriously is 1360681;1451962273;BingoBoingo;I'm still thinking the Feds are prolly going to channel Janet Reno and Waco the Oregon resistance though. 1360682;1451962326;BingoBoingo;I don't think the derps trending #VanillaISIS realize how close they might actually be to right with that label 1360683;1451962631;mircea_popescu;mno i was stillo on the whale 1360684;1451962707;BingoBoingo;Ah, that's the Plus sized model who is a dead ringer for Karpeles in the face 1360685;1451962708;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: shit's going to be expensive, and cold. 1360686;1451962721;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Shit tends to be 1360687;1451962778;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i doubt they have the gall. 1360688;1451962779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00050163 = 15.5505 BTC [-] {3} 1360689;1451962792;mircea_popescu;but yes, getting a bunch of kids out there'd definitely help. 1360690;1451962837;asciilifeform;hey doesn't ben_vulpes live close by ? 1360691;1451962901;mircea_popescu;that discussion, tis in the logs. 1360692;1451962902;asciilifeform;or is he not ready for valhalla yet 1360693;1451962907;*;asciilifeform digs in logz 1360694;1451963004;ben_vulpes;dude that is five hours away and i am not seeking valhalla. 1360695;1451963013;ben_vulpes;heh 1360696;1451963026;ben_vulpes;also out of curiousity mircea_popescu would you pay for the babetruxx necessary as well? 1360697;1451963043;ben_vulpes;or would this party planner actually have to recruit gap-teeth dropouts from the surroundings? 1360698;1451963047;mircea_popescu;heh. are you chanlleing indiancandy or something ? 1360699;1451963106;ben_vulpes;so you'll pay for the beer but not for the babes to get to the middle of goddamn nowhere? 1360700;1451963127;mircea_popescu;but in better news : the summer's also coming. 1360701;1451963139;mircea_popescu;and , for that matter, better people are potentially born daily. 1360702;1451963143;mircea_popescu;so at some point... 1360703;1451963171;asciilifeform;hey i thought mircea_popescu told us that nobody born after '90 was fit for so much as stove fuel ?? 1360704;1451963176;mircea_popescu;at some point ideally i won't have to pay for anything. 1360705;1451963186;*;ben_vulpes mostly curious to know how mircea_popescu thought this would come off 1360706;1451963190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but those kinds of trends never last. 1360707;1451963211;mircea_popescu;i have exactly no care in the world for that, ben_vulpes. purposes do not interest me. 1360708;1451963232;asciilifeform;those trends to tend to last for the lives of those seeing them 1360709;1451963235;asciilifeform;*do tend 1360710;1451963275;mircea_popescu;if only. 1360711;1451963293;mircea_popescu;i have in my lyf seen like three of em. 1360712;1451963368;asciilifeform;3 consecutive ?!! shitgenerations that had to be thrown out ? 1360713;1451963398;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1360714;1451963413;asciilifeform;and 4th, usable, born where, from wolves ? 1360715;1451963440;ben_vulpes;well, /raised/ by wolves. 1360716;1451963541;mircea_popescu;first, there was the generation of tov burtica. [belly-let, commie bugman]. then was the generation of the inteprid "privatizati". and finally the generation of "we belong in the eu and we'll sack this ridiculous derp of a prime minister that survived every turpitude in the book because a club caught fire and some moo-moos died". 1360717;1451963543;mircea_popescu;tis three. 1360718;1451963686;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360575 << not even then. 1360719;1451963686;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 01:35:56; asciilifeform: subkey is one of those things that could be a useful idea IF IT WORKED and WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED BY IDIOT 1360720;1451964146;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360029 << fwiw, i generally like the /people/ i met /working/ there. 1360721;1451964146;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 14:47:39; ascii_butugychag: quite surprisingly readable. 1360722;1451964426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050125 = 10.9774 BTC [-] {2} 1360723;1451964731;mircea_popescu;top search term leading to trilema ? "teenage cunt". 1360724;1451964738;mircea_popescu;da duck is wrong with this interweb! 1360725;1451964792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12759 @ 0.00050125 = 6.3954 BTC [-] 1360726;1451965054;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what didn't you like ? 1360727;1451965272;asciilifeform;in other nyoooz, 1360728;1451965282;asciilifeform;bucephalus is repaired and working. 1360729;1451965294;asciilifeform;(did anyone notice that it was dead for a week+ ?) 1360730;1451965430;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, 1360731;1451965432;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShzmzcJM7QI 1360732;1451965433;assbot;Japanese Old Animation (1929) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OILaUq ) 1360733;1451965440;asciilifeform;^ instructive fable 1360734;1451965524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21495 @ 0.00050223 = 10.7954 BTC [+] {2} 1360735;1451965601;asciilifeform;!up okcupiddude 1360736;1451965624;okcupiddude;hello? 1360737;1451965711;mircea_popescu;heya 1360738;1451965720;mircea_popescu;lol. 1360739;1451965767;mircea_popescu;social media, that festival of clicking. 1360740;1451965781;mircea_popescu;hopefully they grow beaks to go with the clucking. 1360741;1451966174;asciilifeform;related, '"The Tengu, and the Woodcutter": A tengu bothers a woodcutter, showing off his supernatural abilities by guessing everything the man is thinking. The woodcutter swings his ax, and a splinter of wood hits the tengu on the nose. The tengu flees in terror, exclaiming that humans are dangerous creatures who can do things without thinking about them.' 1360742;1451966188;asciilifeform;(rng!) 1360743;1451966858;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1360744;1451966867;mircea_popescu;one of the better stories. 1360745;1451967110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00050076 = 17.2261 BTC [-] {4} 1360746;1451967162;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: good question. 1360747;1451967193;ben_vulpes;but i have a more mundane one for you 1360748;1451967230;asciilifeform;aha? 1360749;1451967305;ben_vulpes;suppose i have a series of voltage readings over time, and i wish to turn these into binary data. 1360750;1451967334;asciilifeform;...? 1360751;1451967350;ben_vulpes;should i come up with my own hairbrained scheme to do so or ask how best to get entropy out of this rng directly from you? 1360752;1451967361;asciilifeform;buy the kakobreklascope 1360753;1451967368;asciilifeform;comes with convenient usb plug. 1360754;1451967372;asciilifeform;(or similar.) 1360755;1451967390;ben_vulpes;scope i used vastly prefers to shit csvs. 1360756;1451967446;asciilifeform;for the rng experiment in particular, 'bus pirate' (~$20) works just as well as $1k scope 1360757;1451967460;asciilifeform;(small programmable widget, does 1,001 things) 1360758;1451967570;ben_vulpes;neato 1360759;1451968513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26784 @ 0.00049773 = 13.3312 BTC [-] {3} 1360760;1451969062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42255 @ 0.00049765 = 21.0282 BTC [-] {2} 1360761;1451969428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.00050021 = 5.1707 BTC [+] {2} 1360762;1451969489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7043 @ 0.00049764 = 3.5049 BTC [-] {2} 1360763;1451969550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32157 @ 0.00049762 = 16.002 BTC [-] 1360764;1451969833;mircea_popescu;ahhh pork wellington ftw. 1360765;1451970282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25605 @ 0.00050175 = 12.8473 BTC [+] {2} 1360766;1451970831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00050413 = 5.7471 BTC [+] {2} 1360767;1451971441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70078 @ 0.00050068 = 35.0867 BTC [-] {3} 1360768;1451972318;mircea_popescu;!up massiro 1360769;1451972722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00049755 = 23.9819 BTC [-] {3} 1360770;1451972879;massiro;The-Eth-Scam payout is in trouble I think... (BitBet) 1360771;1451972898;massiro;The payout of /bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ is stuck for some reason. The payment is expected to be come from: https://blockr.io/address/info/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx 1360772;1451972898;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Us4jOS ) 1360773;1451972921;massiro;the txid d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 is not visible for some block explorers... 1360774;1451972998;massiro;What could I do for this? 1360775;1451973088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00049652 = 10.278 BTC [-] 1360776;1451973210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34964 @ 0.00049835 = 17.4243 BTC [+] {2} 1360777;1451973335;massiro;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ 1360778;1451973338;assbot;BTC Transaction d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1Us5he9 ) 1360779;1451973353;massiro;The above site says the fee is 0.001 BTC so I think it is more than enough. Is this related to low/high S value problem? 1360780;1451973371;mircea_popescu; What could I do for this? << wait it out, basically. 1360781;1451973416;massiro;Mr. mircea, thank you! 1360782;1451973470;mircea_popescu;might also try and encourage any dudes running non-conformant bitcoin implementations to come to sanity, but that's a tall order yet. 1360783;1451973515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27520 @ 0.00050419 = 13.8753 BTC [+] {3} 1360784;1451974086;massiro;I have heard only low-S value is permitted since around October 2015, due to the severe tx-malleability attack by amaclin (at bitcointalk). Core devs quickly responded because it is very annoying (original TxIDs will be changed and one might lose the record of incoming payments). 1360785;1451974459;mircea_popescu;that position is without any actual merit, and as you can attest it does in fact inconvenience you. 1360786;1451974462;mircea_popescu;feel free to tell them so. 1360787;1451974674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46882 @ 0.00050088 = 23.4823 BTC [-] {2} 1360788;1451975257;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-35441 << lol BingoBoingo's private jokes ever more obscure 1360789;1451975259;assbot;Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VDW97p ) 1360790;1451975467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00050213 = 19.2818 BTC [+] {3} 1360791;1451975833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00049998 = 19.1992 BTC [-] {3} 1360792;1451976321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00049652 = 4.3197 BTC [-] {2} 1360793;1451976504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7869 @ 0.00049652 = 3.9071 BTC [-] 1360794;1451976809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00049648 = 13.8518 BTC [-] {2} 1360795;1451977358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4084 @ 0.00049861 = 2.0363 BTC [+] {2} 1360796;1451978029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29916 @ 0.00049775 = 14.8907 BTC [-] 1360797;1451978327;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] 7 lessons for hitting the broad side of a barn with your professional resume (curriculum vitae). - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/05/7-lessons-for-hitting-the-broad-side-of-a-barn-with-your-professional-resume-curriculum-vitae/ 1360798;1451979019;punkman;"Use a professional e-mail address. “luvbunnie69@hotmail.com” or “buzzlightyear2infinitynbeyond@yahoomail.co.uk” just doesn’t cut the mustard." << meh, I really wouldn't care about that. having your own domain instead of gmail is a nice touch though. 1360799;1451979981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37889 @ 0.00050236 = 19.0339 BTC [+] {2} 1360800;1451981018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00050237 = 13.2877 BTC [+] 1360801;1451983763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049611 = 11.5594 BTC [-] {3} 1360802;1451985959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00050332 = 36.39 BTC [+] {3} 1360803;1451986570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8619 @ 0.00050384 = 4.3426 BTC [+] {2} 1360804;1451986630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26181 @ 0.00050422 = 13.201 BTC [+] 1360805;1451987423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27798 @ 0.00050492 = 14.0358 BTC [+] {4} 1360806;1451987484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049829 = 1.5945 BTC [-] {2} 1360807;1451988033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.0005057 = 10.7208 BTC [+] {3} 1360808;1451989009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049857 = 4.7863 BTC [-] 1360809;1451989619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5175 @ 0.00050575 = 2.6173 BTC [+] 1360810;1451989924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00050605 = 7.0371 BTC [+] 1360811;1451990290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00050609 = 15.2839 BTC [+] 1360812;1451993157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42350 @ 0.00050484 = 21.38 BTC [-] {3} 1360813;1451993462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19184 @ 0.00050391 = 9.667 BTC [-] {2} 1360814;1451994194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12322 @ 0.00050143 = 6.1786 BTC [-] {3} 1360815;1451995963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00049839 = 7.127 BTC [-] {3} 1360816;1451997732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21948 @ 0.0004983 = 10.9367 BTC [-] {2} 1360817;1451997976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11071 @ 0.00049829 = 5.5166 BTC [-] 1360818;1451998464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4416 @ 0.00049829 = 2.2004 BTC [-] 1360819;1451998525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38874 @ 0.00049516 = 19.2488 BTC [-] {4} 1360820;1451999074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38741 @ 0.00049895 = 19.3298 BTC [+] {3} 1360821;1451999624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13452 @ 0.00050091 = 6.7382 BTC [+] {2} 1360822;1451999806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.0004948 = 6.5893 BTC [-] {3} 1360823;1452000294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2857 @ 0.00049398 = 1.4113 BTC [-] 1360824;1452000660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16343 @ 0.00049831 = 8.1439 BTC [-] 1360825;1452001179;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360788 << Can't deny the metals desk glory 1360826;1452001179;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 06:27:37; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-35441 << lol BingoBoingo's private jokes ever more obscure 1360827;1452001819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00049358 = 3.0602 BTC [-] {3} 1360828;1452002185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00049538 = 4.1364 BTC [+] 1360829;1452002673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91778 @ 0.00049542 = 45.4687 BTC [+] {2} 1360830;1452003161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00050014 = 14.329 BTC [+] {2} 1360831;1452004076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10986 @ 0.00050258 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2} 1360832;1452004927;BingoBoingo;Apparently mp triggered more people on okc https://archive.is/upmuU 1360833;1452004929;assbot;I’m Overweight…But That Doesn’t Give You The Right To Be Rude! – Horse Junkies United ... ( http://bit.ly/1myHO0t ) 1360834;1452005047;BingoBoingo;Poor horse 1360835;1452005627;BingoBoingo;Could have been so delicious, but instead tortured. 1360836;1452005906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00050567 = 3.2363 BTC [+] {2} 1360837;1452005993;punkman;https://foragerfunds.com/bristlemouth/dick-smith-is-the-greatest-private-equity-heist-of-all-time/ 1360838;1452005995;assbot;Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time - Forager Funds ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdrJ6O ) 1360839;1452006211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4680 @ 0.00050404 = 2.3589 BTC [-] {2} 1360840;1452006612;BingoBoingo;!up ziggs 1360841;1452006734;BingoBoingo;!up zigglar 1360842;1452006740;kakobrekla;chanserv is a bad boy 1360843;1452006745;zigglar;when do bets payout? 1360844;1452006817;kakobrekla;my guess is soon 1360845;1452006856;BingoBoingo;zigglar: They now hold for 48 hours after resolution to check for objections/errors so prolly pay out when a bitbet mod wakes up 1360846;1452006909;zigglar;It's been about 96 hours 1360847;1452006914;BingoBoingo;Ah 1360848;1452006941;kakobrekla;well, it says after 48hrs and technically 96 is after 48 1360849;1452006947;BingoBoingo;^ 1360850;1452007005;zigglar;lol 1360851;1452007011;kakobrekla;anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out 1360852;1452007024;kakobrekla;give them some time* 1360853;1452007146;zigglar;Ya makes sense 1360854;1452007151;zigglar;Assumed it was automated 1360855;1452007163;kakobrekla;nah, mtgox was automated. 1360856;1452007246;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1360857;1452007248;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1JFY4JY.txt ) 1360858;1452007431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050404 = 7.2078 BTC [-] 1360859;1452007553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78021 @ 0.00050714 = 39.5676 BTC [+] {4} 1360860;1452008692;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zjtkp/does_coinbase_ask_to_see_check_stubs_if_you/cymtv18 << And why would I trust you with my pay stubs? Next thing I know some schmuck in New Mexico is opening credit cards in my name. 1360861;1452009322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050776 = 20.9197 BTC [+] {3} 1360862;1452009702;thestringpuller;" A penny for an average on-chain transaction is probably too expensive to be competitive. " - Stephen Pair << and this is why your company is dying 1360863;1452009925;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1314390.0 1360864;1452009926;assbot;Bitcoin Foundation: Where on Earth Did all the Money Go? ... ( http://bit.ly/1myW4Gq ) 1360865;1452009957;jurov;Jon Matonis: $137.5k through "THE HOLE OF ROY LLC". Salary up from $31k. Jon Matonis acted as Executive Director up to October 2014. 1360866;1452009969;jurov;wtf that company name 1360867;1452010481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00050356 = 17.2721 BTC [-] {2} 1360868;1452010664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.0005081 = 28.4536 BTC [+] {5} 1360869;1452011030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21982 @ 0.00050915 = 11.1921 BTC [+] 1360870;1452011056;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360855 <<< top kek 1360871;1452011056;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 15:19:23; kakobrekla: nah, mtgox was automated. 1360872;1452011079;davout;the bash web interface seems to be stuck at beginning of november 1360873;1452011152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26944 @ 0.00051197 = 13.7945 BTC [+] {4} 1360874;1452011204;kakobrekla;davout wanna be mod ? 1360875;1452011403;davout;shit 1360876;1452011416;davout;i guess if one's needed then why not 1360877;1452011439;davout;am i allowed to autoh-mate moderation? 1360878;1452011588;kakobrekla;lol no. 1360879;1452011701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00051284 = 24.3086 BTC [+] {5} 1360880;1452011942;kakobrekla;davout you now have mod access, on that note some guidelines http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257804 1360881;1452011942;assbot;Logged on 31-08-2015 23:27:05; kakobrekla: not at all, but i have a process for approving bashes 1360882;1452011964;kakobrekla;approve/delete them in order 1360883;1452011973;kakobrekla;clean them up as much as you can 1360884;1452011988;kakobrekla;check the logs for possible better framing 1360885;1452012019;kakobrekla;i dont usually approve those containing links because fuck that shit and also links tend up ending dead 1360886;1452012046;kakobrekla;i prolly end up removing over half of them 1360887;1452012216;kakobrekla;feel free to ask if you have questions and good luck. 1360888;1452012882;davout;ok, i'll give it a go 1360889;1452014934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15252 @ 0.00050757 = 7.7415 BTC [-] {3} 1360890;1452015361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12641 @ 0.00051366 = 6.4932 BTC [+] 1360891;1452016886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00051542 = 18.7871 BTC [+] {2} 1360892;1452017313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10360 @ 0.00051179 = 5.3021 BTC [-] {2} 1360893;1452018167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051582 = 7.8663 BTC [+] {2} 1360894;1452018533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17685 @ 0.00051179 = 9.051 BTC [-] {2} 1360895;1452020058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00050402 = 9.0724 BTC [-] {3} 1360896;1452020607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00050325 = 9.0585 BTC [-] {3} 1360897;1452020819;BingoBoingo;!up taub 1360898;1452020824;BingoBoingo;!up tautology 1360899;1452021666;jurov;!up mircea_ahoy 1360900;1452021672;mircea_ahoy;hola! 1360901;1452021722;mircea_ahoy;in other argentine news, half of belgrano's out of power an' so i evacuated to a boat. 1360902;1452021740;jurov;!up Dava 1360903;1452021741;mircea_ahoy;turns out that if you're going to run a generator, the best way to go about it is, make it part of sailing 1360904;1452021766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0005031 = 7.295 BTC [-] {3} 1360905;1452021794;mircea_ahoy;Things your mom would have your rear end for saying, things that though youre no expert you feel that you are clearly the most intelligent on the forum and have to interject. Things you would NEVER say to their face or at least that directly in my blog I really want to expose just how a simple Facebook comment has torn my life apart about horses and how unfortunately I witnessed a Facebook friend receive the same cruel attack just last w 1360906;1452021794;mircea_ahoy;eek. 1360907;1452021794;mircea_ahoy;Youre too fat to ride that horse. 1360908;1452021810;mircea_ahoy;fuck that shit ? what's the horse, a rock ? if you prick it, it does not bleed ? 1360909;1452021816;jurov;alf: see - mircea's dirigible 1360910;1452021827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00050233 = 13.7638 BTC [-] {2} 1360911;1452021853;mircea_ahoy;the biullshit they hide behind. no, my mother wouldn't have been protecting your delusional "right" to be colossaly stupid at the expense of a poor unfortunate horse that has no fault. 1360912;1452021896;mircea_ahoy;for that matter, i have said this to people, and so has anyone who owns horses and lets random street people ride them. 1360913;1452021981;mircea_ahoy;that aside, the actual woman in the picture isn't actually too fat to ride, and besides its her own fucking horse. but fucking SAY THAT. not random bs about mothers and whantot. 1360914;1452022062;shinohai;ahoy, Cap'n! o/ 1360915;1452022076;mircea_ahoy;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does. 1360916;1452022076;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 15:16:51; kakobrekla: anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out 1360917;1452022120;mircea_ahoy;direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools. 1360918;1452022203;mircea_ahoy;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360864 << the money that they were pretending to have and never did went to places. just like eth and just like every other fiat-pushing "bitcoin" scam to date. 1360919;1452022203;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 16:05:26; assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: Where on Earth Did all the Money Go? ... ( http://bit.ly/1myW4Gq ) 1360920;1452022328;mircea_ahoy;"I have not been presented any evidence of any theft, criminal act or similar wrongdoing but would be *happy to pay a bounty of at least 10%* for anyone with information and evidence of any such act leading to recovery of any funds which were misappropriated or stolen. Those who imply that there is any wrongdoing at the foundation now or by those involved now should come forward with evidence or at least a solid and specific accusation. If p 1360921;1452022329;mircea_ahoy;resented with any such evidence I would work to have justice done." 1360922;1452022365;mircea_ahoy;fucking bullshit. fenton using the meni rosenfeld defense "hey, if you don't get a fiat court to give us fiat then ergo no crime was committed by our bitcoin scam" 1360923;1452022368;mircea_ahoy;yeah, right. 1360924;1452022385;mircea_ahoy;;;later tell mircea_popescu remember to negrate that fenton dumbass. 1360925;1452022386;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1360926;1452022681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.0005078 = 7.4647 BTC [+] {2} 1360927;1452023497;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_ahoy 1360928;1452023657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57545 @ 0.00050782 = 29.2225 BTC [+] {2} 1360929;1452024589;mircea_ahoy;apparently it's gonna storm. herp. 1360930;1452024663;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360915 < are you checking and resending as well or ? 1360931;1452024663;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 19:27:56; mircea_ahoy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does. 1360932;1452024682;mircea_ahoy;kakobrekla, yes, they're being broadcast constantly. 1360933;1452024700;kakobrekla;roger 1360934;1452024701;mircea_ahoy;besides, what's mempool remanence, 48-72 hrs ? 1360935;1452024709;kakobrekla;idk 1360936;1452024725;mircea_ahoy;50something average last i recall looking at it. 1360937;1452024747;kakobrekla;i cant say i remember having such issues ever 1360938;1452024775;mircea_ahoy;yeah well. you don't really get to kno wwhat pos the bitcoin network is until/unless you try and run a high volume merchant on it. 1360939;1452024835;kakobrekla;do txes you broadcast end up shown on some blockexporer in a timely manner? 1360940;1452024863;mircea_ahoy;yep 1360941;1452024881;mircea_ahoy;on various ones. heck, guy complaining yest linked to one. 1360942;1452024910;mircea_ahoy;"broadcast two days ago, miner priority 84%", not included 1360943;1452024952;kakobrekla;dunno, even my fee-less txes came through in less than a day recently 1360944;1452024970;mircea_ahoy;are you using trb or bullshit-b ? 1360945;1452025012;kakobrekla;doesnt make a diff for broadcasting - you can use various endpoints 1360946;1452025039;mircea_ahoy;yeah, but i also don't honor whatever random "improvements" derps made. 1360947;1452025096;kakobrekla;even some blockexplorers have a 'broadcast tx' option no? 1360948;1452025118;mircea_ahoy;sure. 1360949;1452025144;mircea_ahoy;anyway, it's no trlike the txn is secret or anything. it's signed, anyone can broadcast it any way they please. 1360950;1452025195;kakobrekla;im just trying to figure out where the problem is 1360951;1452025203;kakobrekla;i cant say i did so far 1360952;1452025238;mircea_ahoy;best i can tell, miners haven't been including 100s of btc worth of valid txn. 1360953;1452025257;mircea_ahoy;which... you know, is not technically something bitcoin guarantees won't happen. 1360954;1452025276;mircea_ahoy;even if you don' 1360955;1452025296;mircea_ahoy;t care about days destroyed, the fee was in the top fifth anyway. 1360956;1452025311;kakobrekla;!up mircea_ahoy 1360957;1452025322;mircea_ahoy;but hey, for as long as the bullshit subsidy for blocks continues, this problem will persist. 1360958;1452025346;mircea_ahoy;once they get 0.1 btc for a mined block, not including 0.0001 feed txn won't be feasible anymore. 1360959;1452025351;kakobrekla;would be nice to figure out if this is some specific miners or all of them 1360960;1452025361;mircea_ahoy;yes. 1360961;1452025411;mircea_ahoy;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360777 relevant 1360962;1452025411;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 05:55:35; massiro: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ 1360963;1452025541;punkman;it's not even multisig, probably is nonstandard for 0.11 :D 1360964;1452025560;kakobrekla;uh that site makes my head hurt. 1360965;1452025564;kakobrekla;https://blockchain.info/address/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx 1360966;1452025565;assbot;Bitcoin Address 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx ... ( http://bit.ly/1O3RWH7 ) 1360967;1452025566;mircea_ahoy;heh 1360968;1452025571;kakobrekla;>Fee: 0 BTC 1360969;1452025583;kakobrekla;this could possibly have something to do with it. 1360970;1452025594;mircea_ahoy;possibly but it's not actually correct ? 1360971;1452025605;mircea_ahoy;i don't think i've sent a 0 fee since 2012. 1360972;1452025660;kakobrekla;i dunno 1360973;1452025689;kakobrekla;odd stuff 1360974;1452025727;punkman;so other txs from same wallet have gone through? 1360975;1452025827;mircea_ahoy;same system's been paying bitbet since bitbet has invented. 1360976;1452025842;mircea_ahoy;it's been running into random problems ever since, none of which have ever been fucking fixed. 1360977;1452025850;kakobrekla;!up Batchulism 1360978;1452025860;mircea_ahoy;occasionally i do a trilema piece about them, or used to at any rate, but really... kinda lost interest. 1360979;1452025878;Batchulism;shouldn't 0 fee txn still show up on blockchain or other explorer, just with 0 confirmations? 1360980;1452025888;mircea_ahoy;nobody's actually involved in making bitcoin not suck. there's a large group of idiots involved in trying to make themselves look good, and there's trb trying to make bitcoin be less g narly. 1360981;1452025897;mircea_ahoy;fixing the actual usability issues looks at the present time like 2020 1360982;1452026183;thestringpuller;ahoy mircea_ahoy 1360983;1452026192;thestringpuller;where are you sailing to? 1360984;1452026218;mircea_ahoy;just going up an' down the silver river. 1360985;1452026241;mircea_ahoy;recharging tits & butts with solar power. 1360986;1452026260;Batchulism;how long do 0 fee txn take to process? do they ever time out? 1360987;1452026308;mircea_ahoy;even if in fact it were 0 fee, with that cointime mass it shouldn't take hours, let alone a whole day. 1360988;1452026335;mircea_ahoy;ofcourse we've probably abandoned days destroyed because it's unfair or something, fuck knows anymore. 1360989;1452026404;mircea_ahoy;but more generally, a txn can't time out for as long as it's being rebroadcast. 1360990;1452026406;Batchulism;so what happens with the txn that were sent for the bets closed for new year that havent come through? 1360991;1452026452;mircea_ahoy;they're in the mempool waiting to be included in a block. 1360992;1452026470;mircea_ahoy;anyway, ima be landing. bbl. 1360993;1452027439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00050989 = 12.7727 BTC [+] {2} 1360994;1452028818;punkman;"Twitter Considering 10,000-Character Limit for Tweets" 1360995;1452029058;punkman;http://img.svbtle.com/xpk4h3gh3zoq.png 1360996;1452029059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6rAga ) 1360997;1452029092;shinohai;Sounds like the [ANN] section of bitcointalk. 1360998;1452029548;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102395.0 1360999;1452029549;assbot;[Full Disclosure] CVE-2012-2459 (block merkle calculation exploit) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6sPf6 ) 1361000;1452029697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0005129 = 20.0544 BTC [+] {3} 1361001;1452030288;punkman;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3v1qv5/488_btc_was_stolen_from_me_but_how/cxjrv0w?context=3 1361002;1452030289;assbot;arkanoah comments on 4.88 BTC was stolen from me, BUT HOW?! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6uYYj ) 1361003;1452030432;punkman;oops, that was in the log 1361004;1452030492;punkman;CVE-2012-2459 isn't though, maybe a good thing to fix next trb release 1361005;1452030830;punkman;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zm3m7/cryptsy_halts_both_trade_engine_and_withdrawals/ 1361006;1452030831;assbot;Cryptsy halts both trade engine and withdrawals : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6woSv ) 1361007;1452030856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20455 @ 0.00050934 = 10.4185 BTC [-] {2} 1361008;1452030915;shinohai;Good, I hope their little scam factory crashes and burns. 1361009;1452031100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22455 @ 0.00050003 = 11.2282 BTC [-] {2} 1361010;1452031466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00049675 = 8.4696 BTC [-] {2} 1361011;1452032015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00050183 = 6.2729 BTC [+] {2} 1361012;1452032924;jurov;blockchain.info and blockexplorer.com know nothing of d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 1361013;1452032939;jurov;anyone tried to submit it there directly? 1361014;1452032950;deedbot-;[Qntra] Man Driven Into Historic Flood Waters By Missouri Police Dead - http://qntra.net/2016/01/man-driven-into-historic-flood-waters-by-missouri-police-dead/ 1361015;1452033030;jurov;blockr.io idem 1361016;1452033174;jurov;interesting, this shows there is some unconfirmed tx, but never loads it https://blockexplorer.com/address/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx 1361017;1452033174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mE5DmK ) 1361018;1452033723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00050215 = 12.152 BTC [+] {3} 1361019;1452034110;kakobrekla;http://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/ 1361020;1452034111;assbot;ArnoldC ... ( http://bit.ly/1mE80Ga ) 1361021;1452034135;BingoBoingo;nice 1361022;1452034159;BingoBoingo;except for the java part, but that can be fixed 1361023;1452034246;BingoBoingo;!up Bitbet123 1361024;1452034267;BingoBoingo;!up mircea_popescu 1361025;1452034276;mircea_popescu;!rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation 1361026;1452034276;assbot;brucefenton is not registered in WoT. 1361027;1452034281;mircea_popescu;rrright. 1361028;1452034284;Bitbet123;Hi, why is bitbet not paying out? 1361029;1452034294;mircea_popescu;Bitbet123 bitbet did pay out. 1361030;1452034307;mircea_popescu;miners currently not including the transaction in blocks. go ask them why not. 1361031;1452034339;Bitbet123;Can you not resend? 1361032;1452034349;mircea_popescu;it's being rebroadcast every 2-4 hours actually. 1361033;1452034349;kakobrekla;finally the pile of emails overflows to irc. 1361034;1452034364;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the wrong irc, but anyway. 1361035;1452034373;Bitbet123;Well i'd like to receive my winnings 1361036;1452034380;mircea_popescu;i bet you would. 1361037;1452034389;punkman;you just gotta mine a block 1361038;1452034391;mircea_popescu;unfortunately bitcoin doesn't seem to be ready for prime time just yet. 1361039;1452034433;mircea_popescu;just like it wasn't back in... you know... http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ 1361040;1452034434;assbot;Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mE8QCT ) 1361041;1452034434;mircea_popescu;2013... 1361042;1452034545;BingoBoingo;Mebbe you gotta double spend with moar fee? 1361043;1452034567;mircea_popescu;if 0.001 ain't enough for 1kb it will just have to fucking wait. 1361044;1452034584;mircea_popescu;i dunno who the fuck pays 100k satoshi / kb other than me. 1361045;1452034584;BingoBoingo;0.o 1361046;1452034598;BingoBoingo;I usually do, but holy shit 1361047;1452034687;danielpbarron;that's about hiw much it costs to train gathering in Eulora when you're the highest rank gatherer :D 1361048;1452034738;mircea_popescu;anyway, Bitbet123 : the correct avenue here is to ask antpool / f2pool / whoever else why they aren't including tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 1361049;1452034763;mircea_popescu;alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money. 1361050;1452035009;shinohai;kek 1361051;1452035102;davout;stuff's weird, i broadcast txes multiple times a day, paying 0.001 per, around 1~2kb, never had an issue 1361052;1452035108;mircea_popescu;aha. 1361053;1452035124;mircea_popescu;bitbet also never has an issue 99.9% of teh time 1361054;1452035137;mircea_popescu;but as it turns out, THAT is not good enough for an actual, usable payment network. 1361055;1452035150;davout;you sure you're not paying 0.0001 instead of 0.001 ? 1361056;1452035169;davout;care to share the raw tx? 1361057;1452035174;mircea_popescu;again - even if it were free, it should have been much higher priority than anything else. 1361058;1452035205;davout;should it ? 1361059;1452035225;mircea_popescu;myeah. i'd have to extract it, tho you could just fish it out of the mempool by hash i guess ? 1361060;1452035240;davout;first thing i tried 1361061;1452035248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4001 @ 0.00050516 = 2.0211 BTC [+] {2} 1361062;1452035258;davout;i want to try to push it myself, see what happens 1361063;1452035303;mircea_popescu;aite ima have it extracted. 1361064;1452035310;davout;bc.info doesn't see it, which happens fairly often in my experience, because it sucks 1361065;1452035328;davout;but blockr.io doesn't see it either, which is more surprising, again, in my experience 1361066;1452035344;davout;so i suspect it simply doesn't propagate 1361067;1452035357;mircea_popescu;i dunno they kinda dropped off my map since they were acquired. 1361068;1452035385;mircea_popescu;but, if you run a proper node i can connect to you and it should be in your mempool within the ... i dunno, minute, hour ? 1361069;1452035403;davout;hang on, gonna check a different node 1361070;1452035466;davout;nah, paymium's production node doesn't see it either 1361071;1452035508;deedbot-;[Qntra] Twitter Suspends Oregon Hero's Account - http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitter-suspends-oregon-heros-account/ 1361072;1452035631;mircea_popescu;does twitter even do anything OTHER than suspend any account the moment it threatens veering into maybe vaguely interesting ? 1361073;1452035652;BingoBoingo;Not really. 1361074;1452035669;BingoBoingo;But the indictment in this case seems necessary 1361075;1452035675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.00050183 = 2.5523 BTC [-] {2} 1361076;1452035710;BingoBoingo;So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding 1361077;1452035750;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361025 <<< I trolled Bruce Fenton by tweeting this to him earlier. 1361078;1452035750;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 22:51:16; mircea_popescu: !rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation 1361079;1452036214;punkman;Kodak brings back Super8, "Shooting Analogue has never been so easy. When you purchase film you will be buying the film, processing and digital transfer. The lab will send you your developed film back and email you a password to retrieve your digital scans from the cloud so you can edit and share in any way you choose." 1361080;1452036223;punkman;who the fuck is gonna buy this thing 1361081;1452036246;pete_dushenski;what's it cost ? 1361082;1452036300;punkman;no idea 1361083;1452036356;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/VNAgKQV.jpg 1361084;1452036357;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEd7WZ ) 1361085;1452036367;mircea_popescu;chicks that wanna-be cool on the cheap ? 1361086;1452036370;mircea_popescu;no shortage of those. 1361087;1452036394;punkman;film is not cheap 1361088;1452036466;mircea_popescu;yes but what people want and what people get... 1361089;1452036468;punkman;though LOMO is another thing that inexplicably still exists, and it's pretty popular with the hipster chicks 1361090;1452036480;mircea_popescu;i thought i just explained it. 1361091;1452036663;punkman;http://shop.lomography.com/en 1361092;1452036713;davout;looks like hardware-instagram 1361093;1452036723;punkman;heh 1361094;1452036739;punkman;http://shop.lomography.com/en/home/newpetzval58-brass "the New Petzval 58 Bokeh Control Art Lens features a classic gear rack focusing mechanism and Waterhouse aperture plates for a truly 19th century-like photographic experience." 1361095;1452036764;mircea_popescu;anyway, a casual inspection shows numerous txns with problems this year 1361096;1452036766;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3SFFTB3 << list. 1361097;1452036768;assbot;dpaste: 3SFFTB3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEdJfi ) 1361098;1452036772;davout;"Experiment with a diverse selection of films just for you! Choose from true-to-life color negatives or moody black & whites. Give slide emulsions a go or try your luck with expired rolls." 1361099;1452036786;mircea_popescu;davout happen to see any of those ? 1361100;1452036811;davout;lemme check 1361101;1452036881;davout;none 1361102;1452036886;mircea_popescu;heh. 1361103;1452036931;davout;but do share d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9, you made me curious 1361104;1452036954;mircea_popescu;yeah, ima have it extracted. 1361105;1452036982;davout;nothing about it in my debug.log 1361106;1452037110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ? 1361107;1452037346;punkman;mircea_popescu: yes 1361108;1452037636;mircea_popescu;cool, ima run up a node from that cluster including the known trb nodes specifically. if you want to get yours included davout or anyone else pm me an ip. 1361109;1452038367;danielpbarron;i have a trb node that is not yet full, currently at block 312275 1361110;1452038591;BingoBoingo;This sheriff needs to sleep https://archive.is/K1t3x 1361111;1452038592;assbot;Harney County Sheriff: Armed Occupiers Will Face Charges . News | OPB ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejoQo ) 1361112;1452038771;mircea_popescu;check it out, they found rip thorn's son! 1361113;1452038813;mircea_popescu;They have an opportunity right now to work towards a better solution, and not face further charges, he said. 1361114;1452038833;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha. check out who has "an opportunity" and who sets the limits of who gets what opportunities. 1361115;1452038835;mircea_popescu;derps. 1361116;1452038874;mircea_popescu;how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ? 1361117;1452038954;BingoBoingo;Dude knows he's not going to get any sleep because he's been briefed on how the Bundy ranch defense still stands years later. 1361118;1452039026;punkman;"If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol 1361119;1452039045;BingoBoingo;;;later tell ben_vulpes If you really intend to be the lord of cascadia you prolly ought to start negotiating borders and such 1361120;1452039045;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1361121;1452039049;mircea_popescu;apparently not, lol, i can't even get a partay started :D 1361122;1452039049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361106 << yes BUT THIS GIVES A USELESS UNCONNECTABLE-TO NODE 1361123;1452039049;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 23:38:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, does -connect stack ? 1361124;1452039066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was just trying to pass along some txn on the cheap. 1361125;1452039097;asciilifeform;well it will really suck with a 8-max and outgoing-only turdnode. 1361126;1452039109;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1361127;1452039117;asciilifeform;that's what you get when you -connect 1361128;1452039127;asciilifeform;a non-listening node 1361129;1452039140;mircea_popescu;the gist of it is that guy wants a copy of a certain txn 1361130;1452039186;asciilifeform;-connect to the current trb nodes and spray it in, leave'em to broadcast 1361131;1452039194;asciilifeform;that's the correct use of -connect. 1361132;1452039214;mircea_popescu;it's what i was describing ima do. 1361133;1452039221;asciilifeform;ah 1361134;1452039237;asciilifeform;173.73.235.152:8333 216.15.33.203:8333 46.166.165.30:8333 << mine 1361135;1452039255;asciilifeform;all running. 1361136;1452039273;asciilifeform;as seen by the eye of sauron, even, https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 1361137;1452039275;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j ) 1361138;1452039277;mircea_popescu;aite, be ~an hr. 1361139;1452039362;punkman;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1273 just gotta remove "mapArgs.count("-connect")" from there right? 1361140;1452039364;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLJYoG ) 1361141;1452039449;mircea_popescu;"He said hostility toward federal employees is taking a toll on the entire community." ahahahaha orly. is it. 1361142;1452039449;asciilifeform;this reduces to behaviour of '-addnode' iirc 1361143;1452039572;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361116 << wai wut?! that'd be like ru letting chechnya secede. (notice, even flat-broke 1990s ru could not do this, not while it had anything like an army and what to feed it) 1361144;1452039572;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 00:07:54; mircea_popescu: how about "usg has an opportunity to quit infringing now and save more face than if it quits later" ? 1361145;1452039592;mircea_popescu;heh. 1361146;1452039625;mircea_popescu;there's really nothing wrong with bending over and taking in the ass. women the world over do it every day. 1361147;1452039628;mircea_popescu;usg might enjoy it too. 1361148;1452039649;asciilifeform;aha but hitler has to eat his luger first 1361149;1452039682;asciilifeform;after he tires of moving imaginary, long-dead armies around on a little map 1361150;1452039684;mircea_popescu;which brings us to the present day. 1361151;1452039732;asciilifeform;not quite 1361152;1452039753;mircea_popescu;anyway, much to my contradicted disbelief, the consensus among unconnected, aparatchick chicks on okc seems to be that "well, a) trump will win and b) that'll be tghe end of any federal government" 1361153;1452039769;asciilifeform;or what, let's say word gets out that anybody wanted by a u.s. sheriff only has to make his way to the magic oregon dreamland. still no napalm ? 1361154;1452039776;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do they know, right ? but then again... anthropologist's irk. how did all these unrelated derps manage to come to the same story. 1361155;1452039793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, that's how texas was built. 1361156;1452039802;mircea_popescu;literally, instead of nulla bonam the endorsement was G.T. 1361157;1452039843;BingoBoingo;hitler's new questions https://archive.is/vAZyc 1361158;1452039844;assbot;When are they gonna buff the cat companions? : outside ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLKNh2 ) 1361159;1452039895;asciilifeform;ad from BingoBoingo's link: 'a fecal transplant saved my life' 1361160;1452039935;mircea_popescu;"i wasn't full of shit" 1361161;1452040006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: clitler is anointed winner 1361162;1452040019;mircea_popescu;only in the bunker. 1361163;1452040031;asciilifeform;that's where they print the 'election' results tho 1361164;1452040045;mircea_popescu;mmmm... notrly. 1361165;1452040075;asciilifeform;at any rate, since when does figurehead queen get to 'end of any federal gov' 1361166;1452040173;mircea_popescu;all it'd take would be for the ceiling to not be raised. 1361167;1452040184;mircea_popescu;all president needs to say is that well, we're not raising it. 1361168;1452040188;mircea_popescu;gorbachev moment. 1361169;1452040200;asciilifeform;not how usg works 1361170;1452040213;asciilifeform;;;google usa veto override 1361171;1452040214;gribble;Veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art ...: 1361172;1452040266;mircea_popescu;he doesn't have to veto anything. 1361173;1452040276;mircea_popescu;just sit on hands next budget scandal. scheduled for... 2016. 1361174;1452040291;asciilifeform;and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head 1361175;1452040341;mircea_popescu;but not bothering is not the same. 1361176;1452040354;asciilifeform;and what, mr o bothered ? 1361177;1452040362;mircea_popescu;o yeah. 1361178;1452040379;mircea_popescu;ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude. 1361179;1452040393;asciilifeform;and if he hadn't ? 1361180;1452040395;mircea_popescu;however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again. 1361181;1452040401;mircea_popescu;if he hadn't the vacation would have been permanent. 1361182;1452040411;mircea_popescu;and in a year';s time, no more usg, not ever again. 1361183;1452040425;asciilifeform;you know they only send the clerks home, on 'vacation' 1361184;1452040433;asciilifeform;not the einsatzgruppen. 1361185;1452040494;asciilifeform;see also http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/398777/almost-everyone-dhs-essential-employee-ryan-lovelace 1361186;1452040495;assbot;National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLLLKa ) 1361187;1452040500;BingoBoingo; and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head << Carter nearly tried, also nearly eaten by rabbit 1361188;1452040691;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0FKN2BH.txt 1361189;1452040692;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD0I3 ) 1361190;1452040711;BingoBoingo;https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zFzpMJMA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/huls96guvmqu5qomvocg.jpg 1361191;1452040712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRD1vA ) 1361192;1452040753;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: translate for humans plox 1361193;1452040759;pete_dushenski;"100! 100!" << what's this translate to in english ? 1361194;1452040780;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Typical black twitter drama, but Oregon militia gets banned. 1361195;1452040800;asciilifeform;yes but what does it mean 1361196;1452040806;asciilifeform;'none of y'all about this' 1361197;1452040814;asciilifeform;this doesn't parse 1361198;1452040836;pete_dushenski;"can't touch this" ? 1361199;1452040854;BingoBoingo;Not mean to parse, it's essentially a long explative denoting anger 1361200;1452040868;asciilifeform;he uses 'glock 19' instead of gearshift knob in car ? 1361201;1452040878;punkman;;;ud be about it 1361202;1452040879;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=be+about+it | be about it. An ethnocentric phrase of African American origin meaning: 1.) Taking a specific endeavor seriously and putting forth an honest and prudent effort. 2. 1361203;1452040922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00049598 = 16.5905 BTC [-] {5} 1361204;1452040944;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He used to play pokemon with concussions. Retired as a master after collecting them all. 1361205;1452040993;*;asciilifeform finds it lulzy that mircea_popescu and perhaps other thinking folks outside the razor wire believe that the ceremonial usaschwitz kommendant elections are actually ~about~ something. in actuality, they are rather like the fighting of certain ruminants, e.g., mountain sheep, whose horns are set at such an angle that they cannot harm one another 1361206;1452041107;asciilifeform;as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win' 1361207;1452041122;pete_dushenski;"Examples: 1.) Our mid-terms are coming up soon, so you better be about it and study hard to pass. 2.) As a member of the National Association of Black Journalist, we are expected to be about it." 1361208;1452041200;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: like so http://www.kiddycastles.co.uk/images/Gladiator2.jpg 1361209;1452041200;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRDT3s ) 1361210;1452041210;asciilifeform;aha. 1361211;1452041229;asciilifeform;precisely that. 1361212;1452041276;asciilifeform;american elections are exactly as interesting as the soviet elections, and for exactly the same reason. 1361213;1452041334;pete_dushenski;http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1451836492-20160103.png << from the mines 1361214;1452041338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRE9zt ) 1361215;1452041439;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361118 << ahaha l0l, like eric frein 1361216;1452041439;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 00:10:26; punkman: "If this goes on any longer, it will have an even greater impact on our tourism and local economy" lol 1361217;1452041441;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, "During the year, landlords raised rents as much as 15% in the Brush Park district, 14% in New Center and 10% in the areas around Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, according to a Midtown Detroit survey." << rents went from $1 to $1.15 per square metre per year in detroit ! 1361218;1452041444;asciilifeform;(anybody even remember him ?) 1361219;1452041461;pete_dushenski;!s eric frein 1361220;1452041462;assbot;16 results for 'eric frein' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eric+frein 1361221;1452041479;pete_dushenski;http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/ 1361222;1452041479;assbot;BitBet - Eric Frein to receive death sentence :: 0.08 B (38%) on Yes, 0.13 B (62%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLNlM4 ) 1361223;1452041493;asciilifeform;nobody even gave enough of a fuck to bet... 1361224;1452041528;pete_dushenski;frein < eth 1361225;1452041543;asciilifeform;because ~will~ is not enough. you ALSO need brain, and resources. 1361226;1452041564;asciilifeform;and even then likely you get to say hello to the cathars. 1361227;1452041715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00049558 = 29.6605 BTC [-] {2} 1361228;1452041742;asciilifeform;wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev 1361229;1452041863;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe if we ping Herr Orlov enough it will be done? 1361230;1452041948;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Doctors To Move From Stitching To Snitching On President's Orders - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-doctors-to-move-from-stitching-to-snitching-on-presidents-orders/ 1361231;1452041966;pete_dushenski;lel nice title 1361232;1452041981;pete_dushenski;i like it 1361233;1452042002;BingoBoingo;ty, just a couple minor edits 1361234;1452042043;BingoBoingo;Mostly making sure Hussein precedes Bahamas 1361235;1452042054;BingoBoingo;can never do that enough 1361236;1452042060;BingoBoingo;;;google hussein bahamas 1361237;1452042061;pete_dushenski;i-before-e 1361238;1452042061;gribble;President Hussein Bahamas Ends National Security Speech With ...: ; Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas | Qntra: ; Trump Proposes "Closing Up the Internet" | Qntra: 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95%<<< this is becoming more and more sop, sometimes outright theft but more typically a "new maintainer", also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-11-2015#1327527 1361317;1452047126;assbot;Logged on 19-11-2015 20:05:06; phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders. 1361318;1452050786;BingoBoingo;!up dbclk 1361319;1452050792;BingoBoingo;!up funkenstein_ 1361320;1452050796;BingoBoingo;!up massiro 1361321;1452050798;dbclk;hello 1361322;1452050804;BingoBoingo;hello 1361323;1452050808;dbclk;finally..thanks for the add 1361324;1452050836;BingoBoingo;What add? 1361325;1452050840;funkenstein_;happy new year boingo 1361326;1452050845;kakobrekla;i think he means voice 1361327;1452050846;dbclk;well..allowing me to have a voice here 1361328;1452050849;BingoBoingo;you too funkenstein_ 1361329;1452050866;dbclk;the last time i tried talking here..it said i need to have some wirc account..i dont remember 1361330;1452050874;kakobrekla;dbclk it doesnt last for too long so make it count 1361331;1452050883;dbclk;:( 1361332;1452050884;BingoBoingo;dbclk: Ah, expires after 30 minute, you could have asked before. Also gotta register a WoT key and get rated 1361333;1452050898;dbclk;yeah WoT 1361334;1452050903;dbclk;that sounds like a long process 1361335;1452050904;dbclk;:( 1361336;1452050911;BingoBoingo;If you make your voiced time count, more likely to mebbe be able to voice self 1361337;1452050926;kakobrekla;life is also a long process, usually, do you skip that too? 1361338;1452050929;BingoBoingo;The only thing longer than doing it is not doing it. 1361339;1452050941;dbclk;that's true 1361340;1452050968;dbclk;anyways..i'm a day trader..well just started recently traded my own money with bitcoins 1361341;1452050990;dbclk;i've made good trades but, mostly terrible ones ..reading a book on trading but i'm seeking a mentor 1361342;1452051008;dbclk;so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor 1361343;1452051046;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1361344;1452051057;BingoBoingo;What do you trade Bitcoins against? 1361345;1452051073;kakobrekla;afaik taleb can teach you a few things about trading but this place is investors mostly, not traders. 1361346;1452051080;PeterL;hi BingoBoingo 1361347;1452051100;BingoBoingo;hai PeterL 1361348;1452051110;dbclk;BingoBoingo: against USD 1361349;1452051115;PeterL;buy high, sell low! 1361350;1452051125;BingoBoingo;buy high sell higher 1361351;1452051146;dbclk;lol 1361352;1452051155;BingoBoingo;And don't forget to hodl 1361353;1452051161;dbclk;if it was that easy :) 1361354;1452051163;PeterL;buy high, wonder what the hell you were doing after the drugs wear off 1361355;1452051180;dbclk;even looking at the 1 hr chart against the BTC/USD..it looks like a triple top 1361356;1452051209;dbclk;but, not quite sure ..because, on each peeks you have progressively less and less volume until it breaks the neckline 1361357;1452051223;PeterL;the magic ball says ... 1361358;1452051227;dbclk;what i'm seeing on the chart is consistent volumes and no declines 1361359;1452051233;BingoBoingo;dbclk: You could learn to trade like me, but that means unlearning things like "triple top" 1361360;1452051242;dbclk;hmm 1361361;1452051265;dbclk;you dont use technical analysis BingoBoingo ? 1361362;1452051284;BingoBoingo;dbclk: Not in the way you seem to. 1361363;1452051290;PeterL;;;8ball buy now? 1361364;1452051290;gribble;_I_ don't know. 1361365;1452051291;dbclk;:( 1361366;1452051292;*;BingoBoingo trades slow 1361367;1452051307;dbclk;you do this full time BingoBoingo ? 1361368;1452051326;BingoBoingo;No, like 10 minutes every 3 months or so 1361369;1452051335;dbclk;oh so you have a full time job 1361370;1452051347;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin stuff full time, yes. Trading like 0.17% time 1361371;1452051360;dbclk;ok 1361372;1452051387;dbclk;well my intention is to do this fulltime 1361373;1452051401;dbclk;and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money 1361374;1452051410;BingoBoingo;That's a problem 1361375;1452051415;dbclk;how so? 1361376;1452051438;BingoBoingo;Well, the losing money part, if you step that up to full time you're sunk. 1361377;1452051473;PeterL;as my mother says, "the best way to save money is to not spend it" 1361378;1452051490;BingoBoingo;The better trader you are the less time you spend trading. I just enter orders into the book and wait for them to be filled or not filled. 1361379;1452051514;dbclk;i agree BingoBoingo 1361380;1452051529;dbclk;well already doing it full time...i wouldn't blame technical analysis...just need to finish learn 1361381;1452051538;PeterL;dbclk: how much capital do you have available to play with? 1361382;1452051545;dbclk;i think it can help quiet bit..the time i do loose money is when i'm trading randomly 1361383;1452051551;dbclk;not much 1361384;1452051552;BingoBoingo;But pick swings that take months, not minutes, and prolly pick a pair with better exchanges than BTC/USD 1361385;1452051555;dbclk;about 10 Gs 1361386;1452051576;dbclk;which other pair BingoBoingo ? 1361387;1452051578;BingoBoingo;ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST 1361388;1452051584;trinque;oh boy 1361389;1452051589;BingoBoingo;dbclk: That's for you to decide 1361390;1452051616;dbclk;well yeah i was doing trades ..like minutes 1361391;1452051625;dbclk;but, i get you..i rather do it slowly rather than quickly 1361392;1452051635;dbclk;and come to think of it..i mostly loose money that way 1361393;1452051648;trinque;lil kim jong must need a new shipment of henney 1361394;1452051730;dbclk;anyways thanks for the advice folks 1361395;1452051775;dbclk;one last question BingoBoingo 1361396;1452051803;dbclk;you do use technical analysis for like picking resistance, support and retracements right? 1361397;1452051824;dbclk;and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns? 1361398;1452051840;BingoBoingo;Nah, I take my hand, cup my scrotum, and just man up. 1361399;1452051847;trinque;!b 4 1361400;1452051849;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/22TV100.txt ) 1361401;1452051937;danielpbarron;+dbclk> so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor << come work for me in Eulora 1361402;1452052032;phf;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173 << "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees" "In Cologne at least one woman was raped and many were groped, including a volunteer policewoman." etc. 1361403;1452052034;assbot;Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVGr7 ) 1361404;1452052076;dbclk;danielpbarron: tell me where to sign up 1361405;1452052148;danielpbarron;dbclk, http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora 1361406;1452052151;assbot;Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obt29b ) 1361407;1452052183;dbclk;thanks danielpbarron ..I'll look into it 1361408;1452052305;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361387 >>> obligatory >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345310 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345317 1361409;1452052305;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 03:39:38; BingoBoingo: ALSO BEST KOREA CLAIMS HYDROGEN BOMB TEST 1361410;1452052305;assbot;Logged on 17-12-2015 04:01:54; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the OTHER usa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhSF188x5k 1361411;1452052305;assbot;Logged on 17-12-2015 04:23:14; asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army 1361412;1452052338;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 4.9 earthquake 0 kilometers deep 1361413;1452052621;punkman;"What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women." 1361414;1452053244;phf;asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774 1361415;1452053246;assbot;Common Lisp Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach: Edmund Weitz: 9781484211779: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXsZp ) 1361416;1452053499;deedbot-;[Qntra] DPRK Successfully Tests Hydrogen Bomb - http://qntra.net/2016/01/dprk-successfully-tests-hydrogen-bomb/ 1361417;1452053576;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nah, 'diamond level' is when somebody has thermonukes in quantity AND delivery vehicle 1361418;1452053628;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's triple diamond 1361419;1452054077;asciilifeform;http://xahlee.info/comp/TRON_operating_system_and_encoding.html << l0ltr0n1c 1361420;1452054078;assbot;TRON Operating System & Encoding ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRYqoG ) 1361421;1452054098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049323 = 2.0716 BTC [-] 1361422;1452054281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049617 = 4.6144 BTC [+] 1361423;1452054531;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << aha, i've been waitin' a looong time 1361424;1452054531;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774 1361425;1452054550;asciilifeform;did order it. likely - no good, sadly. they almost never are. 1361426;1452054611;asciilifeform;naggum could've written a first-class b00k 1361427;1452054624;asciilifeform;if he hadn't been so busy unsuccessfully staying alive. 1361428;1452054748;phf;sucks that he ended up writing book on sgml, but not on common lisp 1361429;1452054763;asciilifeform;iirc somebody ~paid~ for the sgml crap 1361430;1452054769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049631 = 13.0778 BTC [+] {2} 1361431;1452054804;asciilifeform;everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew what i do for money 1361432;1452054881;mats;o_O 1361433;1452054960;asciilifeform;arbeit macht frei. 1361434;1452055041;mats;^_^ 1361435;1452055206;asciilifeform;or, more appropriately, the buchenwald sign: jedem das seine. 1361436;1452055236;asciilifeform;https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-dVePl1BSWo/hqdefault.jpg 1361437;1452055237;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRZQiO ) 1361438;1452055354;phf;труд в ссср есть дело чести, славы, доблести и геройства 1361439;1452055475;asciilifeform;nah, over here it's more of a работа стоит а срок идет. 1361440;1452055522;asciilifeform;http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related. 1361441;1452055523;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS07Cr ) 1361442;1452056207;BingoBoingo;From the mines http://dpaste.com/1DZRN4F.txt 1361443;1452056208;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS0OM3 ) 1361444;1452056288;BingoBoingo;hai 1361445;1452056660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050352 = 8.9627 BTC [+] {3} 1361446;1452057311;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1361447;1452057317;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 429.42, vol: 4914.26755883 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.469, vol: 5078.09016 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 428.49, vol: 12732.93409788 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 424.0, vol: 1.551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 428.815194, vol: 59881.18140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.58989, vol: 35.5563113 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 424.5065, vol: 38.77286225 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1361448;1452057324;BingoBoingo;;;more 1361449;1452057324;gribble;428.778021823 1361450;1452059405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00050517 = 6.7693 BTC [+] 1361451;1452059653;BingoBoingo;"You're bleeding too much, I need to cut you" - A Surgeon 1361452;1452066298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10823 @ 0.00050517 = 5.4675 BTC [+] 1361453;1452066359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17977 @ 0.00050528 = 9.0834 BTC [+] {2} 1361454;1452067290;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b12 1361455;1452067884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050558 = 8.4937 BTC [+] 1361456;1452069157;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b24 1361457;1452070324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00050558 = 8.8729 BTC [+] 1361458;1452072337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0005047 = 4.2647 BTC [-] 1361459;1452072703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0005047 = 2.9525 BTC [-] 1361460;1452072764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00050433 = 4.4633 BTC [-] 1361461;1452073679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050433 = 4.1355 BTC [-] 1361462;1452074407;jurov; everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real? 1361463;1452074472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00050557 = 6.2691 BTC [+] {2} 1361464;1452077019;jurov;!up Dava 1361465;1452077028;jurov;hi Dava 1361466;1452077738;jurov;https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? 1361467;1452077738;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t ) 1361468;1452079234;jurov;O.o restarted my patched trb after 2 weeks, now it reliably sigsegvs after first few blocks: http://dpaste.com/2C1FAER 1361469;1452079235;assbot;dpaste: 2C1FAER: therealbitcoin sigsegv, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWNRj ) 1361470;1452079281;jurov;will retry with release 1361471;1452079651;jurov;or my datadir got corrupted 1361472;1452081102;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair 1361473;1452081102;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 04:07:24; phf: asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, adlai: edi weitz (cl-ppcre, hunchentoot, flexi-streams rest of ediware) published a book of common lisp recipes http://www.amazon.com/o/asin/1484211774 1361474;1452081275;*;adlai finds it asset-backwards to jump headfirst into v.cl before auditing https://github.com/froydnj/diff (and ironclad, but that's a little outside my pay grade) 1361475;1452081276;assbot;froydnj/diff · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQsDcW ) 1361476;1452083929;shinohai;!s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/ 1361477;1452083930;assbot;Bleichenbacher'06 signature forgery in python-rsa ... ( http://bit.ly/1n3W4hv ) 1361478;1452083931;assbot;0 results for 'https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.filippo.io%2Fbleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa%2F 1361479;1452084023;adlai;PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee. 1361480;1452084049;adlai;probability of being chosen for any given tx will be literally unaffected, for 21st century OED values of 'literally' 1361481;1452084313;*;adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain 1361482;1452087648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0005046 = 1.7156 BTC [-] 1361483;1452088989;punkman;http://iconaircraft.com/news/flying-the-icon-a5-in-new-york-city/ neat 1361484;1452088992;assbot;Flying the ICON A5 in New York City - ICON Aircraft ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaB5jK ) 1361485;1452090273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4861 @ 0.0005046 = 2.4529 BTC [-] 1361486;1452091808;BingoBoingo; https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? << AHA, ? 1361487;1452091808;assbot;BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`578 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t ) 1361488;1452091934;BingoBoingo;But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s. 1361489;1452092009;punkman;so the stuck tx has an invalid input? 1361490;1452092042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10889 @ 0.0005046 = 5.4946 BTC [-] 1361491;1452092103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00050476 = 1.2422 BTC [+] 1361492;1452092105;BingoBoingo;it might 1361493;1452092117;BingoBoingo;because the network is full of buttholes 1361494;1452092158;punkman;does that mean the stuck tx was created before the previous tx was mined&confirmed? 1361495;1452092327;BingoBoingo;Not sure, but that comment has me thinking mebbe a wrong input tx id is somehow junking the big tx 1361496;1452092345;punkman;that's what it says 1361497;1452092481;BingoBoingo;It's too early in the morning. I'm confused and clearing out a form of spam. 1361498;1452092641;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1361499;1452092646;gribble;Current Blocks: 392019 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1361500;1452092774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00050345 = 9.5907 BTC [-] {4} 1361501;1452093431;BingoBoingo;On a judge arrested for DWI: "Asked if he had a lawyer, he said, I do, but hes not going to talk to you." (Lawyer being himself) 1361502;1452093674;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#comment-36425 1361503;1452093675;assbot;Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSZt7N ) 1361504;1452093856;punkman;speaking of bahamas, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-04/the-ghosts-of-baha-mar-how-a-3-5-billion-paradise-went-bust 1361505;1452093857;assbot;The Ghosts of Baha Mar: How a $3.5 Billion Paradise Went Bust - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rs9jUn ) 1361506;1452094618;shinohai;!s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new 1361507;1452094619;assbot;BITBET.US not paying... scam or hack? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT2PaX ) 1361508;1452094620;assbot;0 results for 'https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1317139.new%3Btopicseen%23new 1361509;1452095031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5466 @ 0.00050201 = 2.744 BTC [-] {3} 1361510;1452095092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11834 @ 0.00050133 = 5.9327 BTC [-] 1361511;1452095093;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1361512;1452095144;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361476 << mega-l0l! how is the use of e==3 a 'vulnerability' other than in the idiot programmer's head ?? 1361513;1452095144;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 12:38:49; shinohai: !s https://blog.filippo.io/bleichenbacher-06-signature-forgery-in-python-rsa/ 1361514;1452095181;ascii_butugychag;and naturally we get the usgtronics: 'As usual, the fact that it's possible to implement a dangerous algorithm correctly, doesn't mean it's humanely possible, and safer algorithms (and primitives) must always be preferred. (See also: deterministic ECDSA.)' 1361515;1452095218;ascii_butugychag;'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.' 1361516;1452095337;ascii_butugychag;https://bitbucket.org/sybren/python-rsa/pull-requests/14/security-fix-bb06-attack-in-verify-by/diff << his patch. how would you react to a fella half-heartedly removing a tick from the back of a roadkill deer flattened on a highway ? 1361517;1452095339;assbot;sybren / python-rsa / Pull request #14: [security] Fix BB'06 attack in verify() by switching from parsing to comparison — Bitbucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT5Xn1 ) 1361518;1452095405;shinohai;^^ 1361519;1452095463;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361462 << nearly. 1361520;1452095463;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 10:00:07; jurov: everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real? 1361521;1452095518;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361488 << iirc that was the july 4 phork 1361522;1452095518;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 14:52:14; BingoBoingo: But no, to 2 comments down. I don't recall low-S being soft forked to mandatory, just a bunch of buttholes had been malleating transactions to low-s. 1361523;1452095575;ascii_butugychag;it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now 1361524;1452095604;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361506 << expect more of this crapolade 1361525;1452095604;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 15:36:58; shinohai: !s https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.new;topicseen#new 1361526;1452095663;punkman;isn't there one of those every time some bitbet tx is delayed 1361527;1452095681;shinohai;I just happened upon it by reading the scam accusations thread for lolz 1361528;1452095691;shinohai;looks like thestringpuller took care of it 1361529;1452095798;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361472 << l0l quickutil: 'An attempt at a solution to this problem was to create what became the de facto standard library for Common Lisp utilities: Alexandria. While Alexandria contains on the order of 100 high quality, useful utilities, it suffers from a very slow-moving oligarchy. Alexandria's improvement depends on their willingness to cooperate in a timely manner 1361530;1452095798;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 11:51:42; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair 1361531;1452095807;ascii_butugychag;'Quickutil is a different approach to utility libraries. Instead of being a single, monolithic library, e.g., Alexandria, it attempts to be a nimble and lean platform for distribution of utilities piecemeal.' 1361532;1452095821;ascii_butugychag;this smells of sulfur. 1361533;1452095877;ascii_butugychag;of the wget -O - http://nsa.gov/fuckme.sh | sudo sh variety. 1361534;1452095935;ascii_butugychag;oligarchy?! wat 1361535;1452096189;ascii_butugychag;in seemingly-unrelated non-nyooz, 1361536;1452096200;ascii_butugychag;'Most design errors from the earlier editions persist; indeed, some defenders of Mathematica seem to view the inevitable peculiar results of these decisions as correct: they are replacing long-standing problems of mathematics notation or convention with a new understanding. This is an alternative world view in which an answer is said to be correct if it is “generic” and ignores sigularities. 1361537;1452096217;ascii_butugychag;'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)' 1361538;1452096236;ascii_butugychag;(fateman, '07, review of 'mathematica', http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fateman/papers/mma6rev.pdf ) 1361539;1452096237;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT97qN ) 1361540;1452096355;ascii_butugychag;if mircea_popescu's ego cock at least fits on a cable spool, of the kind used to carry fiber on a truck, wolfram's - only fits in the bilge of a 1890s cable-laying steamer 1361541;1452096376;ascii_butugychag;i can't recall anybody else attempting 'embrace & extinguish' (tm) (r) on... mathematics. 1361542;1452098041;BingoBoingo; it was trotted out prematurely and made a bit of a splat, but afaik is more or less cemented in now << July 4th was DER encoding. I don't think that involved low-s. Low-s panic was a bunch of derps malleating to high-s and since power ranger client defaulted to low-s a bunch of services that did the zero-conf thing Gox-paniced, because no one could expect. Power rangers then established malleate to low-s nodes. 1361543;1452098176;BingoBoingo;trb and others pre-power rangers derping on the matter sign whatever s value 1361544;1452098238;BingoBoingo;They were going to do even-s in when they started caring about the matter in 0.9 but then picked low-s for mysteries 1361545;1452098508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12329 @ 0.00050475 = 6.2231 BTC [+] {2} 1361546;1452099342;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency FOGBANK 1361547;1452099342;gribble;Error: 'FOGBANK' is not a valid currency code. 1361548;1452099348;BingoBoingo;shucks 1361549;1452100625;BingoBoingo;The random places you find Lennart truth http://www.overclock.net/t/1483429/amd-kabini-owners/20#post_22289112 1361550;1452100626;assbot;AMD Kabini Owners - Page 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RidjIW ) 1361551;1452103003;thestringpuller;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ << you sure the miners aren't like blacklisting this transaction? 1361552;1452103069;BingoBoingo;Who knows? 1361553;1452103181;thestringpuller;It's gotta be filtered somewhere. Not showing up on blockr.io 1361554;1452103265;thestringpuller;chainflyer doesn't see it either. 1361555;1452103360;thestringpuller;nvm was resent as that https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd/ 1361556;1452103406;thestringpuller;nvm this explorer is confusing 1361557;1452103820;shinohai;https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoinj-developer-andreas-schildbach-i-will-not-invest-my-time-in-lightning-networks-1452005206 1361558;1452103822;assbot;Bitcoin Wallet Developer Andreas Schildbach: I Will Not Invest My Time in Lightning Networks | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNZ9jM ) 1361559;1452104917;BingoBoingo;!up zveda 1361560;1452104956;zveda;;;ticker 1361561;1452104957;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.87, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 8134.7448076, 24 hour low: 425.03, 24 hour high: 432.48, 24 hour vwap: None 1361562;1452105338;phf;adlai: "veh" doesn't use diff or ironclad, calls out to external utilities instead. fwiw froyd explicitly disclaimers ironclad use in production anyway.. 1361563;1452105551;phf;hah, recent pull requests to ironclad is from this guy https://github.com/glv2 (i.e. https://github.com/froydnj/ironclad/pull/62), who has a bunch of peercoin related projects like https://github.com/glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser 1361564;1452105552;assbot;glv2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1X0z ) 1361565;1452105553;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgO ) 1361566;1452105554;assbot;glv2/peercoin-blockchain-parser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO1XgW ) 1361567;1452106255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049982 = 20.1427 BTC [-] {5} 1361568;1452106373;phf;oh, man, another fukamachi project (re quickutil). guy works for a tokyo ad startup, generates massive amounts of web dev style common lisp code. he's behind http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327538 1361569;1452106373;assbot;Logged on 19-11-2015 20:11:46; ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/ 1361570;1452106378;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1361571;1452106414;PeterL;Hi, sorta working, just lurking 1361572;1452106453;BingoBoingo;ah 1361573;1452108255;deedbot-;[Qntra] China Continues Forcing Stockholders To HODL - http://qntra.net/2016/01/china-continues-forcing-stockholders-to-hodl/ 1361574;1452109488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00050287 = 10.0574 BTC [+] {2} 1361575;1452110525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9971 @ 0.00049848 = 4.9703 BTC [-] {2} 1361576;1452112896;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX_T2mOWMAAk_S5.png:large << new one for me. 1361577;1452112897;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4H4ww ) 1361578;1452113063;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking. 1361579;1452113169;BingoBoingo;I dunno, that might work considering the trendy software shit functions as a fiat blowoff valve 1361580;1452113198;pete_dushenski;o really ? 1361581;1452113238;pete_dushenski;the more sensible solution is import more brown dudes, undercutting all the pimply basement dwellers with "ideas" for getting rich 1361582;1452113256;pete_dushenski;pakis can inflate housing markets just as well 1361583;1452113303;pete_dushenski;if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle 1361584;1452113349;BingoBoingo;But they tend to blow off some value into brown countries which is of undetermined value for fiat system. 1361585;1452113385;pete_dushenski;18% wu rates is a pretty determined value 1361586;1452113444;BingoBoingo;What now people care about keeping the telegraph company afloat? 1361587;1452113503;pete_dushenski;wu shareholders, sure 1361588;1452113556;pete_dushenski;like retirees who can't say no to that 15 cent dividend 1361589;1452113730;mats;http://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-china-sees-the-risky-path-ahead-taiwan-14739 1361590;1452113731;assbot;How China Sees the Risky Path Ahead With Taiwan | The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6iwCC ) 1361591;1452113934;pete_dushenski;wonder how long china will let taiwan make its asics for 'bitfury' 1361592;1452113953;mats;could be 99 years, could be 9 1361593;1452114012;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ? 1361594;1452114012;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 04:45:22; asciilifeform: http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/7/22/762e6fd081dc7c6efc761b767ceb7958-full.jpg << related. 1361595;1452114062;pete_dushenski;mats: until bitbet accepts >1 year off bets, we may never know :P 1361596;1452114154;pete_dushenski;http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about invading Belgium but 1361597;1452114155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IqHD ) 1361598;1452114155;pete_dushenski;so can’t quite keep their women interested. Look in the eyes of that crazy broad and tell me you think that my homebody with the beard there is sleeping alone. Just the body language of the two men indicates who’s going to wind up tapping that ass in the long run." 1361599;1452114179;pete_dushenski;notbad observations via http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3968 1361600;1452114181;assbot;The Sons Rise – Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4IwiD ) 1361601;1452114307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00049848 = 1.4954 BTC [-] 1361602;1452114578;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size." 1361603;1452114578;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 15:35:16; asciilifeform: so to return to mircea_popescu's wild supposition, the answer is no - it is much CHEAPER to house a prisoner or pay a guard in usaschwitz than in, e.g., su 1361604;1452114591;pete_dushenski;^latest data 1361605;1452114695;pete_dushenski;"When asked why the corrections budget hasn’t decreased, California officials often point to a court order to improve inmate medical care. In 2013, responding to the mandate, the state opened a new medical facility in Stockton, called the California Healthcare Facility, designed for inmates needing long-term inpatient medical care and intensive mental health services. The facility costs approximately $295 million a 1361606;1452114695;pete_dushenski;y. The state has also faced increased costs for prescription medications, including $60.6 million this year for new Hepatitis C treatments." << need moar hyooman ritez!! 1361607;1452115023;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1361608;1452115052;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361593 << 'everything has a good side. and a bad one' 1361609;1452115052;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:00:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361440 << funny pic. translation asciilifeform, phf ? 1361610;1452115127;jurov;sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied: 1361611;1452115133;jurov;The refresh process has begun. We’ll let you know when it’s complete. 1361612;1452115136;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361602 << understand that this means that it costs about the SAME in actual money 1361613;1452115136;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:09:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-12-2015#1357379 <--> "The price tag for housing, feeding and caring for a prisoner in California has climbed to almost $64,000 annually, up from $49,000 five years ago. Per prisoner, the state spends more than three times the amount it did 20 years ago when the population was a similar size." 1361614;1452115160;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: is this transaction in zulag? << https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9/ 1361615;1452115197;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: i do not know, ask it ? 1361616;1452115208;ascii_butugychag;(you can do this as easily as i) 1361617;1452115228;thestringpuller;Do i need a fully updated blockchain to pull mempool? 1361618;1452115255;ascii_butugychag;on trb - yes! 1361619;1452115264;ascii_butugychag;for (imho) obvious reasons 1361620;1452115273;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: aha (translation). and aha again (realbux). 1361621;1452115276;thestringpuller;Then you can do it more easily than I :P 1361622;1452115317;ascii_butugychag;this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx 1361623;1452115360;jurov;if you click on the blockcypher on the (out...) under "input consumed", you'll end up here: 1361624;1452115366;jurov;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7 1361625;1452115368;assbot;BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH ) 1361626;1452115375;jurov;which says this tx has been doublespent 1361627;1452115410;BingoBoingo;So did Bitbet get tricked by a double spend? 1361628;1452115428;jurov;only if the other one is different 1361629;1452115468;jurov;if it was merely malleated, then mp just needs to spend the mined one instead 1361630;1452115499;thestringpuller;jurov: ah i thought that was just a glitch. 1361631;1452115534;thestringpuller;cause this guy popped up when it said that >> https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd 1361632;1452115661;jurov;if i'm correct, then why mircea_popescu was spending so very fresh coins? 1361633;1452115688;jurov;if he was spending some old mined output this could not have happened 1361634;1452115864;jurov;especially in case of bitbet such churn is not necessary 1361635;1452116148;ascii_butugychag;if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable 1361636;1452116174;jurov;also, it's interesting that noone voiced on #b-a happens to be around to analyze this situation better 1361637;1452116237;jurov;btw, there is "api call" link on blockcypher, so you can get detailed info from there, too 1361638;1452116276;jurov;including the tx itself 1361639;1452116362;thestringpuller;jurov: if you try to push it to blockr.io it says "Inputs have double spends" 1361640;1452116483;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell ben_vulpes ever work with ACL2 Theorem Prover ? 1361641;1452116484;jurov;thestringpuller: yes. now go compare ebc5d7688364 with 09e82c06cc to determine if it's merely malleated 1361642;1452116484;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1361643;1452116488;ascii_butugychag;or adlai, anybody ^ 1361644;1452116496;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: that's an improvement from blockr because they were claiming to not recognise the transaction at all yesterday 1361645;1452116499;jurov;or someone truly pulled the rug from under mp 1361646;1452116626;ascii_butugychag;meta-nsa demo!1111 1361647;1452116699;pete_dushenski;"Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ? 1361648;1452116841;thestringpuller;blockcypher is relaying it, but likely the miners are seeing the tx as invalid for one of the two reasons jurov stated 1361649;1452116873;thestringpuller;i'll check it out in a second (don't have a full node at disposal atm) 1361650;1452116875;jurov;it is definitely not relaying it if it considers the input invalid 1361651;1452116881;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1361652;1452116918;thestringpuller;jurov: well from the explorers standpoint blockcypher doesn't care is just saying "this tx is borked look at these double spent-like errors" and then the story continues 1361653;1452116930;thestringpuller;when you push to blockr.io it detects a bad input and says "I won't relay this" 1361654;1452116970;jurov;relaying and showing to the web user are two different things 1361655;1452117000;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361647 << apparently not enough idiots could be found to buy the $800-pNohe straight up without telco subsidy OR take the eternal rent 1361656;1452117000;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:44:59; pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc shares dropped below $100 for the first time in nearly five months on Wednesday following reports of slowing shipments of the tech company's iPhone 6S and 6S Plus." << but can still buy all of russia, right guise ? 1361657;1452117006;jurov;and i can understand the blockexplorers don't want to fill their database with invalid txen 1361658;1452117053;jurov;!up mircea_popescu 1361659;1452117106;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: i imagine you don't own a "smart-phone" 1361660;1452117120;mircea_popescu;hhhola 1361661;1452117133;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: what made you imagine this ? 1361662;1452117137;jurov;hi. dirigible moored without incident? 1361663;1452117164;thestringpuller;cause its a tracker in your pocket and I see you being a private man. 1361664;1452117165;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: i own an example of just about every kind of toy 1361665;1452117174;thestringpuller;ah but do you use said toy? 1361666;1452117189;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: l0l tracker. as if everybody did not already know where i were going to and from. 1361667;1452117244;mircea_popescu;jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity. 1361668;1452117251;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: http://i.imgur.com/VdW0b.gif << is this your life 1361669;1452117258;*;mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around. 1361670;1452117266;mircea_popescu;sorta made me think if simpson's sperms. 1361671;1452117296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7157 @ 0.00050106 = 3.5861 BTC [+] {2} 1361672;1452117316;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: it's more that all the idiots already have $800 iphn0es that works just fine thank you very much. new one isn't much better, watch is not cool. so : peak smartphone is a reality 1361673;1452117324;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: approximately 1361674;1452117342;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: only problem is after 3 generations they force the phone to become obsolete. 1361675;1452117401;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: consumers are wisening up to even this. many not upgrading os despite 'sekkoority' concerns. or switch to chinese-android (yes, i've seen this happen) 1361676;1452117429;ascii_butugychag;l0l turdroid bloatware crud 1361677;1452117440;pete_dushenski;girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing 1361678;1452117451;*;pete_dushenski has seen with own eyes 1361679;1452117522;mircea_popescu;what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ? 1361680;1452117549;jurov;Shenzhen Scooby Communication Corp. is teh kul! 1361681;1452117550;pete_dushenski;vw tiguan - small 'crossover' - like golf on stilts 1361682;1452117561;mircea_popescu;haha! 1361683;1452117845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4516 @ 0.00049848 = 2.2511 BTC [-] 1361684;1452117906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21884 @ 0.00049762 = 10.8899 BTC [-] 1361685;1452118943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00049762 = 6.7925 BTC [-] {2} 1361686;1452119079;pete_dushenski;" TransCanada Corp sued the U.S government in U.S. federal court on Wednesday, alleging President Barack Obama's rejection of the Keystone XL pipeline exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution. Obama rejected the cross-border crude oil pipeline late last year, seven years after it was first proposed. TransCanada also filed legal action with NAFTA authorities saying the pipeline permit denial was "arbitrary and u 1361687;1452119079;pete_dushenski;fied."" << mkay gl with this one 1361688;1452119170;mircea_popescu;heh lost connection. 1361689;1452119180;mircea_popescu;anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna! 1361690;1452119275;ascii_butugychag;chainsaw?! 1361691;1452119285;jurov;kakobrekla: assbot ip leaks 1361692;1452119309;kakobrekla;jurov cloak does not really hide your ip either so its irrelevant 1361693;1452119310;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu i suspect bb payouts were made with malleabled confirmed inputs and will never be mined for that that reason 1361694;1452119312;jurov;lol digitalocean? 1361695;1452119332;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/ 1361696;1452119333;assbot;Husqvarna Motorcycles - Pioneering since 1903 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK8XJo ) 1361697;1452119665;BingoBoingo;I thought Husqvarna was the chainsaw and undersized tractor company 1361698;1452119695;jurov;BingoBoingo: they make plenty of other stuff, even sewing machines 1361699;1452119703;BingoBoingo;ic 1361700;1452119726;jurov;my mom had one, we joked about it often 1361701;1452119810;BingoBoingo;I had no idea they were so diversified 1361702;1452119863;jurov;pity they don't make guns (but who knows) 1361703;1452119884;ascii_butugychag;iirc they do 1361704;1452119891;ascii_butugychag;incl. artillery pieces 1361705;1452119909;BingoBoingo;Round these part's they are known as the people who make orange stuff for rural folk 1361706;1452119959;pete_dushenski;not to be with rural folk ktm kit 1361707;1452120041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00049762 = 2.0074 BTC [-] 1361708;1452120337;pete_dushenski;not to be *confused* (ironically) 1361709;1452120575;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet 1361710;1452120576;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (1025 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC) 1361711;1452120697;phf;they seemed to have made a bunch of very nice bolt actions including an m38 version 1361712;1452120851;phf;http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=535214758 for all your shtf needs 1361713;1452120852;assbot;Husqvarna 30-06 with Scope : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rj8fUG ) 1361714;1452121720;pete_dushenski;http://dimsums.blogspot.ca/2015/12/china-pushes-reform-puzzles-over-grain.html << one for the sino-agricultural enthusiasts 1361715;1452121721;assbot;Dim Sums: Rural China Economics and Policy: China Pushes Reform, Puzzles Over Grain Glut ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rja4ky ) 1361716;1452122737;pete_dushenski;http://epapers.bham.ac.uk/2100/1/cepler_working_paper_13_2015.pdf << hehe. little bro taking the crown in essay competition re : brexit. 1361717;1452122739;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPd9St ) 1361718;1452122791;pete_dushenski;i wonder where he got the idea to use footnotes from... 1361719;1452122828;*;pete_dushenski did not write this paper for him, takes no credit 1361720;1452123105;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles. 1361721;1452123123;mircea_popescu;but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?! 1361722;1452123136;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then. 1361723;1452123161;kakobrekla;trying to resend n times wont fix it. 1361724;1452123170;*;pete_dushenski thought world was supposed to adapt to bitcoin, not vice versa 1361725;1452123191;kakobrekla;not in current implementation. 1361726;1452123211;kakobrekla;you want to adapt a pile of cpp crud ? 1361727;1452123217;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect. 1361728;1452123238;mircea_popescu;the txn aren't chained. i don't do that. 1361729;1452123256;mircea_popescu;all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn 1361730;1452123257;kakobrekla;you dont use coin control 1361731;1452123382;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1361732;1452123416;jurov;mircea_popescu: you spent freshly created output that was not yet mined 1361733;1452123424;mircea_popescu;jurov no ? 1361734;1452123431;jurov;yes? 1361735;1452123499;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd << as you can see the input is mined 1361736;1452123499;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPeA3o ) 1361737;1452123511;mircea_popescu;if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 1361738;1452123516;mircea_popescu;are we ? 1361739;1452123545;jurov;but it was mined just yesterday 1361740;1452123560;mircea_popescu;so ? 1361741;1452123582;mircea_popescu;Confirmations428 Confirmations 1361742;1452123593;jurov;but you did not use it 1361743;1452123595;mircea_popescu;that'd be about 3 days. 1361744;1452123608;jurov;you used ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 as input instead 1361745;1452123613;mircea_popescu;yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx 1361746;1452123627;jurov;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705/#output-index-7 1361747;1452123629;assbot;BTC Transaction ebc5d768836400b1e2b4b53b13390401e904491ef9d4cb530624f9434f300705 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4K7VH ) 1361748;1452123662;mircea_popescu;look : there's) 1361749;1452123676;mircea_popescu; (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around 1361750;1452123685;mircea_popescu;seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant 1361751;1452123719;jurov;how comes then, the only blockexplorer that shows the txt, says it's spending invalid output? 1361752;1452123755;mircea_popescu;i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it. 1361753;1452123761;kakobrekla;im saying what jurov is saying and it would explain pretty much whole behavior 1361754;1452123762;mircea_popescu;beyond this... what am i to do ? 1361755;1452123784;mircea_popescu;if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane. 1361756;1452123788;jurov;refresh the wallet, resend 1361757;1452123805;mircea_popescu;because... 1361758;1452123816;kakobrekla;i fell in the same tarpit with not too long ago. 1361759;1452123829;mircea_popescu;seems bitcoin needs to be fixed. 1361760;1452123829;kakobrekla;by accident. 1361761;1452123845;kakobrekla;it was clear for a long time its broked. 1361762;1452123846;jurov;because you used not yet confirmed coins and someone malleated their transaction 1361763;1452123854;kakobrekla;^^ 1361764;1452123855;mircea_popescu;jurov the coins i used were confirmed. 1361765;1452123867;jurov;when you issued the tx? 1361766;1452123868;mircea_popescu;again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old. 1361767;1452123873;mircea_popescu;yes, when i issued the tx. 1361768;1452123887;mircea_popescu;but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe. 1361769;1452123895;mircea_popescu;now* 1361770;1452123919;kakobrekla;the wallet keeps broken tx (a double spend attempt) and can use it for the next tx which wont go through, ever. 1361771;1452123945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00049439 = 12.4092 BTC [-] {2} 1361772;1452123975;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid. 1361773;1452123990;mircea_popescu;as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL. 1361774;1452123994;mircea_popescu;and in any case that MUST be all. 1361775;1452124001;kakobrekla;yes it will try to use the outputs of that broken tx 1361776;1452124014;mircea_popescu;"output" means address. 1361777;1452124026;mircea_popescu;"malleation" can not change address. 1361778;1452124067;mircea_popescu;in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead. 1361779;1452124084;kakobrekla;the client will use you change address funds which will never get confirmed. 1361780;1452124102;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1361781;1452124200;mircea_popescu;in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks. 1361782;1452124306;punkman;so you used a 6+ conf output that got orphaned or what? 1361783;1452124377;mircea_popescu;that what ? 1361784;1452124394;mircea_popescu;no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something. 1361785;1452124474;kakobrekla;you make a txid T1 which gets phucked and your wallet ends up with a confirmed T2 and unconfirmed T1. this T1 stays in the wallet forever if you dont do anything to it. the client may select that never-to-be-confirmed T1 change address at any time in the future if you dont not-use it specifically. 1361786;1452124524;mircea_popescu;T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included. 1361787;1452124550;mircea_popescu;there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period. 1361788;1452124567;kakobrekla;T is relevant because unconfirmed coins on the change address are ok to be sent. 1361789;1452124576;kakobrekla;even if they arent there any more. 1361790;1452124597;mircea_popescu;then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9" 1361791;1452124601;mircea_popescu;unless you can say that you've nothing to say. 1361792;1452124651;mircea_popescu;a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. 1361793;1452124702;kakobrekla;yes but perhaps the client selected T2 in the next transaction you made and T1 in the transaction after that. 1361794;1452124731;kakobrekla;and i mean the change addresses 1361795;1452124732;punkman;inputs reference txids not adresses, do they not? 1361796;1452124733;mircea_popescu;this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions. 1361797;1452124741;kakobrekla;CHANGE ADDRESS 1361798;1452124743;mircea_popescu;inputs reference addresses. 1361799;1452124755;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i dun get it ? 1361800;1452124765;kakobrekla;ferfuxake 1361801;1452124785;mircea_popescu;explain like i'm five omaigerd! 1361802;1452124792;jurov;no, addresses are irrelevant 1361803;1452124797;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1361804;1452124829;*;pete_dushenski just choked on popcorn 1361805;1452124840;danielpbarron;a transaction must refer to specific other transactions, or is a miner supposed to decide which coin days to destroy? 1361806;1452124847;jurov;input is a reference to an output from a previous transaction. output is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction. 1361807;1452124897;mircea_popescu;motherfucker what ?! 1361808;1452124903;punkman;lol 1361809;1452124925;pete_dushenski;also, "mircea_popescu: Fucking horrid terminology, we really shouldn’t be in a situation where input and output means the same thing." 1361810;1452124931;mircea_popescu;doh. 1361811;1452124931;pete_dushenski;obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ 1361812;1452124933;assbot;Down to the last satoshi. Now with bonus poem! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPhC7D ) 1361813;1452124957;mircea_popescu;input is... what ?! 1361814;1452124961;mircea_popescu;i'm fucking queasy. 1361815;1452125081;jurov;i messed that up as usual... so adgain: input is: a hash of a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction. 1361816;1452125091;pete_dushenski;speaking of nothing, are s.nsa and s.mg statements en route ? 1361817;1452125095;mircea_popescu;oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS! 1361818;1452125113;mircea_popescu;what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/ 1361819;1452125137;punkman;and output is value + scriptpubkey 1361820;1452125163;mircea_popescu;i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/ 1361821;1452125169;kakobrekla;if it werent so you could just phuck a txid and respend the address multiple time given it has balance 1361822;1452125178;mircea_popescu;here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin. 1361823;1452125191;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that. 1361824;1452125195;mircea_popescu;and it'd be right an' proper. 1361825;1452125221;mircea_popescu;this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch. 1361826;1452125225;kakobrekla;no, because a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. 1361827;1452125226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29956 @ 0.00049551 = 14.8435 BTC [+] {3} 1361828;1452125250;pete_dushenski;mr. bean had 3-wheeled 'reliant robin' iirc 1361829;1452125256;mircea_popescu;http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/attachments/technical-zone/97708d1373536167-unlocking-your-car-emergency-mrbean.jpg 1361830;1452125258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPimtn ) 1361831;1452125262;kakobrekla;anyway i have a headache and im hungry so bbl. 1361832;1452125276;mircea_popescu;nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn 1361833;1452125282;pete_dushenski;or right, austin mini 1361834;1452125287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22210 @ 0.0005022 = 11.1539 BTC [+] {2} 1361835;1452125288;mircea_popescu;thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov. 1361836;1452125306;mircea_popescu;ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg. 1361837;1452125325;kakobrekla;rescan did not help me 1361838;1452125330;mircea_popescu;what did you do ? 1361839;1452125343;kakobrekla;phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan 1361840;1452125352;mircea_popescu;soooo.... 1361841;1452125357;kakobrekla;used a backup 1361842;1452125370;mircea_popescu;hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK 1361843;1452125371;pete_dushenski;reliant robin is an excellent example of bitcoin as it works today : looks to have the right parts but has them in the wrong order and as a result it doesn't quite work as intended. compare this with the morgan 3-wheeler, which is perhaps where trb is headed, which has the same parts, but not welded together by apes. 1361844;1452125406;punkman;electrum or other wallet should also work 1361845;1452125424;kakobrekla;yes you need to remove bad txes from wallet.dat by removing them with some wallet inspector tool or use a backup from before bad txes came in 1361846;1452125432;kakobrekla;that was what i observed 1361847;1452125434;mircea_popescu;yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level. 1361848;1452125442;mircea_popescu;any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ? 1361849;1452125448;punkman;do it by hand 1361850;1452125450;*;pete_dushenski feels fortunate to not be in physical proximity to mp rage atm. 1361851;1452125540;kakobrekla;btw at some point 'zapwallettxes' was added to bitcoind 1361852;1452125556;kakobrekla;i have not tested it yet but this is suppose to fix that 1361853;1452125565;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ? 1361854;1452125586;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb. 1361855;1452125637;kakobrekla;if you have the addresses you will get the txes 1361856;1452125643;kakobrekla;in the wallet 1361857;1452125645;mircea_popescu;so ? 1361858;1452125693;kakobrekla;> unconfirmed transactions relating to your own wallet addresses are stored not only in the memory pool, but in wallet.dat, so a restart won't clear them. To accomplish that, you can start bitcoind with the recently added -zapwallettxes option. This will cause bitcoind to forget all transactions associated to your addresses, and rescan the block chain to reconstruct them. In particular, any unconfirmed transactions will be forgotten and 1361859;1452125693;kakobrekla;not reconstructed. 1361860;1452125698;kakobrekla;re that zapwallet 1361861;1452125721;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu as long as the backup contains all the used change addresses you are ok 1361862;1452125736;mircea_popescu;gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc. 1361863;1452125768;kakobrekla;yeah that prolly. 1361864;1452125770;mircea_popescu;we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit. 1361865;1452125812;mircea_popescu;well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out". 1361866;1452125831;pete_dushenski;and the crowds go wild 1361867;1452125861;shinohai;\o/ 1361868;1452126025;mircea_popescu;fucking bs. 1361869;1452126329;mircea_popescu; no, because a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc. 1361870;1452126413;mircea_popescu;this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed." 1361871;1452126418;kakobrekla;you can have multiple unspent outputs on an address, say 3x 1btc 1361872;1452126445;kakobrekla;sign to move 1 btc from that address to another 1361873;1452126452;kakobrekla;phuck tx and respend. 1361874;1452126780;kakobrekla;also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later. 1361875;1452126880;kakobrekla;"send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address. 1361876;1452127252;asciilifeform;ohforfuxxxxsake 1361877;1452127294;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361752 << paging jwz ! 1361878;1452127294;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 23:42:35; mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it. 1361879;1452127328;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu - or anybody else - wants ~provably working~ bitcoin - he would have to... 1361880;1452127334;asciilifeform;.... 1361881;1452127339;asciilifeform;pay for it to happen. 1361882;1452127513;asciilifeform;alternatively wait 10,000 years for a hero to be born who doesn't need to eat or sleep 1361883;1452127545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00049275 = 31.536 BTC [-] {4} 1361884;1452127659;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361792 << this is only true if you have a correctly-implemented bitcoinatron 1361885;1452127659;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 23:57:31; mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. 1361886;1452127665;asciilifeform;which NOBODY (publicly) does 1361887;1452127676;asciilifeform;and apparently not mircea_popescu either 1361888;1452127725;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361820 << srsly ? 1361889;1452127725;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:03; mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/ 1361890;1452127836;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks 1361891;1452127836;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:06:18; mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin. 1361892;1452127963;asciilifeform;but srsly, to 'fix' this, it is actually necessary to burn down the whole tard edifice 1361893;1452127979;asciilifeform;and rewrite with sanity 1361894;1452128124;asciilifeform;and for all i know, some not-especially-talkative fella, perhaps even in the same shop where i work, is doing this 1361895;1452128138;asciilifeform;for satan. 1361896;1452128206;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361839 << this is correct 1361897;1452128206;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:09:03; kakobrekla: phucked txes did not get removed from wallet file with rescan 1361898;1452128251;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361847 << 10's of k of what ?? 1361899;1452128251;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:10:34; mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level. 1361900;1452128279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu seriously thinks that he can get a monkey to correctly re-engineer the entire orchestra ? 1361901;1452128343;asciilifeform;i know more or less nothing about mircea_popescucoin, but from what i recall, the item he has now is the result of having attempted this very 'c0d3rz are fungible and 10s of k usd actually buys something' thing in the past, and ended up with... this 1361902;1452128455;asciilifeform;!up Leviathn 1361903;1452128494;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely 1361904;1452128494;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:16:10; mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit. 1361905;1452128545;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361862 << next thing after this is you build an oar-powered passenger plane 1361906;1452128545;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:15:36; mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc. 1361907;1452128637;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents. 1361908;1452128650;kakobrekla;not at the moment. 1361909;1452128664;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1361910;1452128683;mircea_popescu;protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from. 1361911;1452128721;asciilifeform;thing is, answering the question of 'what balance has address A at time t' is an O(N) operation on the whole motherfucking blockchain 1361912;1452128735;asciilifeform;and much of the gnarl in this thread stems from attempts to somehow work around this fact 1361913;1452128758;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there. 1361914;1452128758;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1361915;1452128777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table. 1361916;1452128806;mircea_popescu;fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor". 1361917;1452128817;mircea_popescu;you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor. 1361918;1452128836;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that rich people actually exist yet 1361919;1452128846;mircea_popescu;i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit. 1361920;1452128847;asciilifeform;(or, any more) 1361921;1452128855;mircea_popescu;but in lighter news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okcupid-rating-works.png 1361922;1452128856;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONLIyx ) 1361923;1452128889;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1361924;1452128938;mircea_popescu;if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now. 1361925;1452128948;mircea_popescu;this is like the 20th dude. 1361926;1452128982;asciilifeform;how many dude A vs dude B ? 1361927;1452129001;jurov;mircea_popescu: to get rid of blockchain and address problems, and have richcoin, just use csv file with noodles of gpg signatures 1361928;1452129006;mircea_popescu;oh i stop counting the A's. 1-200 ? 1361929;1452129017;asciilifeform;jurov: already baked. it's called hawala 1361930;1452129026;mircea_popescu;jurov dun hate on me just because i'm an asshole! 1361931;1452129042;jurov;lolk 1361932;1452129057;mircea_popescu;the point fucking stands : the only correct solution to the problem is have nodes keep a table of balances. 1361933;1452129068;mircea_popescu;annoying problems don't go away just because we don't want to have them. 1361934;1452129106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's still O(N) 1361935;1452129120;asciilifeform;calculating the ~actual answer~, that is 1361936;1452129122;mircea_popescu;no because you just update it 1361937;1452129124;asciilifeform;you can try to cheat, eys 1361938;1452129125;asciilifeform;yes 1361939;1452129139;jurov;asciilifeform: mirca just decreed nobody will ever need more than N addresses 1361940;1452129139;mircea_popescu;rebuild table on "resync" 1361941;1452129152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is like saying that all problems are O(1) - true! if you already know the answer! 1361942;1452129159;mircea_popescu;jurov what "body" "needs" ain't got the substance of ghost spit yo! 1361943;1452129163;mircea_popescu;this is all THAT CAN BE HAD 1361944;1452129169;jurov;perhaps N=640k , even :D 1361945;1452129263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is that you also have to 'rebuild table' when various other things happen - orphaned chains (phorkletz!), the idiot malleation thing, and possibly other 1361946;1452129270;asciilifeform;and EACH rebuild is O(N) 1361947;1452129276;mircea_popescu;;/ 1361948;1452129279;asciilifeform;where N is however long it's been between the two doubted points 1361949;1452129308;mircea_popescu;you're telling me the apple's up in the tree as if i was the one that put it there. 1361950;1452129313;mircea_popescu;it's where it is! what am i to do ? 1361951;1452129328;asciilifeform;depends on how badly mircea_popescu needs to take the apple in 1361952;1452129335;asciilifeform;doesnit. 1361953;1452129349;mircea_popescu;all i'm sayin' is that the current "better" solution to that problem is a) worse and b) unspecifiedly so. 1361954;1452129397;asciilifeform;even knowing how allergic mircea_popescu is to 'meta' and 'must X before Y', i will still say that items such as this remain because we do not have a clean operating room 1361955;1452129430;asciilifeform;that is, 'codebase' that doesn't immediately frighten away everbody halfway sane 1361956;1452129435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54445 @ 0.00050305 = 27.3886 BTC [+] {2} 1361957;1452129436;asciilifeform;*everybody 1361958;1452129478;mircea_popescu;no, i am in full agreement. it's not fixable for a while yet. 1361959;1452129491;asciilifeform;i am in the process of working this transmogrification for pgp, a CONSIDERABLY simpler animal, and am astonished every day 1361960;1452129511;mircea_popescu;but i think merely the point that it's broken is worth stating. because apparently the people that understand it's broken didn't know it worked like this (me) and the people that knew how it worked... well... got seduced. 1361961;1452129530;asciilifeform;seduced ? 1361962;1452129549;mircea_popescu;"it's fine, it works like this" 1361963;1452129553;asciilifeform;ahh 1361964;1452129584;asciilifeform;the important thing imho is to distinguish 'broken' (if only this!) from the actuality - ~~misengineered~~ 1361965;1452129592;mircea_popescu;it's misdesigned. 1361966;1452129595;asciilifeform;aha 1361967;1452129610;mircea_popescu;if we admit this was deliberate rather than "oh look what i can do! &^*p!" 1361968;1452129651;asciilifeform;malleation doesn't happen via cosmic rayz, no. 1361969;1452129670;asciilifeform;nor was the original 'feature' emplaced thereby. 1361970;1452129712;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of this : are you aware, for a chuckle, that leveldb "replaced" bdb in bitcoin in the sense that... not. because bdb is still linked because used for wallet. 1361971;1452129724;mircea_popescu;so... "let's keep all the holes we had and add a whole new layer!" 1361972;1452129730;asciilifeform;aha 1361973;1452129761;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361206 << you can'[t simultaenously hold this and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361174 1361974;1452129761;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 00:45:07; asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win' 1361975;1452129761;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 00:31:31; asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head 1361976;1452129769;mircea_popescu;they are mutually contradictory. 1361977;1452129781;asciilifeform;how's that ? 1361978;1452129787;asciilifeform;seems like they go happily together 1361979;1452129801;mircea_popescu;either they care or they don't. 1361980;1452129815;mircea_popescu;if they don't care then not shooting anyone. if shooting anyone, then yes they care. 1361981;1452129819;asciilifeform;the elected buggers don't rule. 1361982;1452129825;asciilifeform;and know better than to try. 1361983;1452129856;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2014#798881 << see also. 1361984;1452129856;assbot;Logged on 16-08-2014 21:39:02; asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.' 1361985;1452129878;asciilifeform;and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#778095 1361986;1452129878;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2014 13:57:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov? 1361987;1452129899;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361228 << lol someone is airlifting whores INTO teh ukraine ? 1361988;1452129899;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 00:55:42; asciilifeform: wake me up when moscow is air-supplying oregon phortress of phreeeeedom with SAM rockets, food, and cheap whores every 48h - like usg is resupplying kiev 1361989;1452129917;asciilifeform;cia is an equal-opportunity employer! (tm) (r) 1361990;1452129921;mircea_popescu;last i visited kharkov, nice student chicks sat topless in the windows of the "student campus" buildings, 20 dollars. 1361991;1452130173;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "deprives the most significant investors in companies their ability" 1361992;1452130176;mircea_popescu;missing of. 1361993;1452130228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00050306 = 3.1693 BTC [+] 1361994;1452130501;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361270 << chix, not so much. 1361995;1452130501;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 01:26:40; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1361076 << say what you like about proper-isis, but it has chix. and food. and tanks... 1361996;1452130512;asciilifeform;> 0 1361997;1452130548;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1361998;1452130566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361278 << omg b-a skeptic! 1361999;1452130566;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 01:42:46; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here. 1362000;1452130602;asciilifeform;fwiw since i banned aws i get steady round-the-clock connections from cn. but i have no particular reason to think that they represent miners. 1362001;1452130633;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1362002;1452130639;asciilifeform;(on all 3 trb nodes under my flag) 1362003;1452130684;BingoBoingo;Also checking the spam que, fucking NBA and Lebron James are spamming SEO to their actual domains 1362004;1452130709;asciilifeform;l0l those are spam keywordz! 1362005;1452130716;asciilifeform;just me seeing those strings on my screen is a bug. 1362006;1452130737;mircea_popescu;" and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes. 1362007;1452130754;mircea_popescu;google is much more successful than ms ever was at "shit on open source". 1362008;1452130763;*;asciilifeform revved up a lispatron this week and noticed what phf was speaking of 1362009;1452130768;mircea_popescu;and since they own 1/13 or so of the fed printing press, they can keep "paying them" to do it. 1362010;1452130774;asciilifeform;aha. 1362011;1452130807;asciilifeform;microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk 1362012;1452130812;mircea_popescu;yea 1362013;1452130833;*;asciilifeform for the lulz, actually went and installed visualstudio-for-linux! it builds strictly c# 1362014;1452130839;asciilifeform;and is a smoking pile of rubbish 1362015;1452130844;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise. 1362016;1452130853;mircea_popescu;how can it "strictly" ? 1362017;1452130863;asciilifeform;no c compiler in there 1362018;1452130875;mircea_popescu;so how is it for linux ? 1362019;1452130879;mircea_popescu;do they have a C# linux ? 1362020;1452130881;asciilifeform;they built it for linux 1362021;1452130902;asciilifeform;with what they bootstrapped the build, i do not know 1362022;1452130904;mircea_popescu;i do not understand. 1362023;1452130914;asciilifeform;well they have a 'dotnet' runtime for lin 1362024;1452130925;mircea_popescu;what linux ? 1362025;1452130929;asciilifeform;which was bootstrapped, presumably, in c/asm 1362026;1452130933;BingoBoingo; l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile 1362027;1452130963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it started up on a sacrificial gentoo box without complaint 1362028;1452130977;mircea_popescu;but that box included c compiler no ? 1362029;1452130994;asciilifeform;whatever they built it on, most certainly (unless it was hand-carved in asm) 1362030;1452131006;asciilifeform;but the turd ~itself~ will not compile c/cpp. 1362031;1452131013;mircea_popescu;oh, wait. it's a large binary turd that somehow runs as a binary turd on your gentoo ? 1362032;1452131016;asciilifeform;aha. 1362033;1452131018;mircea_popescu;i see. 1362034;1452131019;asciilifeform;believe or not. 1362035;1452131026;mircea_popescu;this is so dumb it takes three passes to take in 1362036;1452131034;asciilifeform;this is not an impossible feat. 1362037;1452131049;asciilifeform;(there is, e.g., 'steam', for linux, iirc) 1362038;1452131061;asciilifeform;and for that matter, trb. 1362039;1452131070;mircea_popescu;heh. myeah. 1362040;1452131104;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361373 << lol ok. 1362041;1452131104;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 03:36:41; dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money 1362042;1452131282;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362026 << BingoBoingo, the name itself is spam 1362043;1452131282;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 01:42:13; BingoBoingo: l0l those are spam keywordz! << But url is nba website's lebron james profile 1362044;1452131293;asciilifeform;at least from my pov 1362045;1452131300;BingoBoingo;Das Racis 1362046;1452131306;BingoBoingo;Perfect name for a boat 1362047;1452131323;asciilifeform;just like i will quite likely never, under any conceivable turn of events, give half a fuck about 'louis vuitton' 1362048;1452131333;asciilifeform;as far as i'm concerned, that string is an instant classifier for spammitude 1362049;1452131349;asciilifeform;in fact, for many years i had no idea what it referred to outside of spam. 1362050;1452131350;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361397 <<=-=>> http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/ 1362051;1452131350;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 03:43:44; dbclk: and you also dont use patterns as well? anyone here use trading patterns? 1362052;1452131351;assbot;Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLchSi ) 1362053;1452131362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform u a mysogenist bro ? 1362054;1452131401;asciilifeform;the intersection of females i give half a phuq about and the set that have any truck with l v is null 1362055;1452131407;asciilifeform;afaik. 1362056;1452131422;asciilifeform;ditto lewhateverthefuckon 1362057;1452131428;asciilifeform;bron. 1362058;1452131439;mircea_popescu;but do you fuck sluts ? 1362059;1452131455;asciilifeform;not presently 1362060;1452131474;asciilifeform;but if i took it up, would i need to study spam purses ? 1362061;1452131481;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1362062;1452131529;asciilifeform;i don't hunt polar bears, either. and yes, i know that it is possible, provided that one rearranges his life in particular ways 1362063;1452131535;asciilifeform;in which i'd rather not rearrange 1362064;1452131544;asciilifeform;'no phree lunch' 1362065;1452131568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu fucks 10 new sluts daily but pays for this by having to think about louis vuitton 1362066;1452131575;asciilifeform;and possibly even lebron. 1362067;1452131579;mircea_popescu;tell you what, basescu's (ro president for many years) gal (elena udrea) spent half her time on this shit. 1362068;1452131586;mircea_popescu;and she was rather competent otherwise. 1362069;1452131596;asciilifeform;i was thinking of emelda marques 1362070;1452131607;mircea_popescu;not quite the same. this woman actually was useful. 1362071;1452131611;asciilifeform;hm. 1362072;1452131652;mircea_popescu;and recall the old thread re spending moneyz ? 1362073;1452131656;asciilifeform;aha 1362074;1452131673;mircea_popescu;to sum it up, not everyone in the wow's playing a warlock. 1362075;1452131677;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-02-2015#1026639 1362076;1452131677;assbot;Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" 1362077;1452131681;asciilifeform;and yes. 1362078;1452131722;mircea_popescu;that said, i'm null for pouches. and "i know shoes" but not in the sense chicks usually mean. 1362079;1452131888;asciilifeform;relative of mine once took - very worn - pair of american shit-shoes to an old ru emigre shoemaker, asked 'what he could do.' the wizened master replied: 'i can throw these out for you' 1362080;1452132207;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. 1362081;1452132231;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller / shinohai / whoever has a tardstalk acct, plox let 'em know too kthx. 1362082;1452132369;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361515 << aka "i'm a 100% remora working at attaching myself to the republic on behalf of the empire". 1362083;1452132369;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 15:46:58; ascii_butugychag: 'Filippo Valsorda. I'm Italian and I work on the CloudFlare Security Team in London. I built the public Heartbleed test and I mess with cryptography. Public speaker. Motorbike rider. Frequent flyer. Hacker School F'13.' 1362084;1452132434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever wonder, how come these folks never turn ? 1362085;1452132467;asciilifeform;why never 'i am filippo remora and i am tired of this shit, here is a copy of my marching orders and quarterlies for past 5 yrs' 1362086;1452132468;mircea_popescu;do you ever wonder why ambitious but lazy, fat but stupid "feminists" "genderqueer" blabla never win miss america ? 1362087;1452132474;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they're too old. for the other... wut ? 1362088;1452132490;mircea_popescu;you clearly have never run a shitshop. 1362089;1452132493;asciilifeform;too old?! 1362090;1452132496;mircea_popescu;who the fuck do you think gives the scum "orders" ? 1362091;1452132503;asciilifeform;hitler? 1362092;1452132506;mircea_popescu;you think the verbose explanation provided by the evil guy in b movies is irl ? 1362093;1452132511;asciilifeform;nah 1362094;1452132553;asciilifeform;but if the snowden2 slides are genuine, we know approx what it looks like. 1362095;1452132567;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361860 << I couldn't get this pheature working in 0.7.x using 0.9 series code, ended up just making 0.7-ish low-s sign because malleation is annoying 1362096;1452132567;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:14:58; kakobrekla: re that zapwallet 1362097;1452132602;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at any rate, the scum are not undirected, they have objectives 1362098;1452132616;asciilifeform;granted, sometimes they are directed in the same sense as a pirannha pit 1362099;1452132643;asciilifeform;(e.g., the 'aggressive queer-gendered' google folks, they are picked for being militant tards and given free rein) 1362100;1452132648;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361537 << very typical wwweb-ism, this. "wikipedia is correct because that's what we've read on wikipedia". 1362101;1452132648;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 16:03:37; ascii_butugychag: 'This is annoying if, as sometimes happens, the most important aspect is a singularity. Worse is the view offered by fans of the program (not necessarily WRI employees!) that an answer is correct because it is what Mathematica computes, and any view to the contrary is the fault of the user (perhaps for misunderstanding the documentation.)' 1362102;1452132664;asciilifeform;hey goes back to at least aristotle 1362103;1452132684;mircea_popescu;aha 1362104;1452132810;asciilifeform;google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes' 1362105;1452132836;asciilifeform;though possibly today they take a shorter-leash approach, i have nfi. 1362106;1452132837;mircea_popescu;so what are they going to "publish" ? 1362107;1452132848;*;BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain 1362108;1452132850;asciilifeform;them - nothing 1362109;1452132851;mircea_popescu;that "mp is mean" ? we know. that "being sensitive is nice and vice-versa" ? we also know. 1362110;1452132853;mircea_popescu;they got nuttin. 1362111;1452132864;asciilifeform;but occasionally a real person gets recruited into muppet corps by mistake ? 1362112;1452132867;shinohai;mircea_popescu: done https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13470841#msg13470841 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080 1362113;1452132868;assbot;BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PLdM2N ) 1362114;1452132868;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. 1362115;1452132884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ocasionally an elephant takes flight with a flock of passing geese 1362116;1452132886;mircea_popescu;by mistake. 1362117;1452132891;asciilifeform;not quite same 1362118;1452132891;mircea_popescu;ty shinohai 1362119;1452132908;mircea_popescu;from where i sit it seems da same. 1362120;1452132925;shinohai;np. 1362121;1452132929;asciilifeform;pretty much EVERY thinking fella working for a living in usaschwitz is doing SOMETHING usgtronic. 1362122;1452132932;asciilifeform;even if indirectly. 1362123;1452132949;asciilifeform;just like in su. 1362124;1452132958;mircea_popescu;so ? 1362125;1452132967;mircea_popescu;every elephant lives under where birds fly. yes. 1362126;1452133014;asciilifeform;i mean, occasionally http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351867 1362127;1452133014;assbot;Logged on 24-12-2015 16:03:08; asciilifeform: 'Martin and Mitchell's effects reveal their interest and activity in photography, music, Russian language, French, and travel. Mitchell also possesses much athletic and sporting equipment, firearms, and a large liquor supply.' 1362128;1452133027;asciilifeform;or rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-12-2015#1351853 1362129;1452133027;assbot;Logged on 24-12-2015 15:46:13; asciilifeform: 'Martin is said to have criticized American women and marital laws. Martin and Mitchell have both been described as socially awkward and Mitchell has been described as unsophisticated and naive about the practical world.' (p.60) 1362130;1452133044;asciilifeform;once in a while - the elephant lights rocket in his arse and yes, flies. 1362131;1452133050;asciilifeform;with the motherfucmking eagles. 1362132;1452133079;asciilifeform;at least - temporarily. 1362133;1452133165;asciilifeform;better example of 'real person serving as muppet flees and tells interesting things' is rezun 1362134;1452133182;asciilifeform;in fact, a great many of the su defectors 1362135;1452133200;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361578 << yeah, not bad on paper, like every other solution to the prisoner's dilemma. 1362136;1452133200;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 20:44:23; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/684440597726412800 << more marbles leaking. 1362137;1452133234;asciilifeform;hey let's boycott food and shelter ! 1362138;1452133236;asciilifeform;that'll do it. 1362139;1452133254;asciilifeform;that way we can get commyooonizm in 1980! 1362140;1452133255;asciilifeform;or sumthing. 1362141;1452133263;mircea_popescu;would bring rents down... 1362142;1452133269;asciilifeform;surely! 1362143;1452133334;asciilifeform;incidentally this is not any more OR less ridiculous than 'go shoot a cop' 1362144;1452133358;asciilifeform;same 'just fuckin do it!111' non-solution to prisoner's dilemma. 1362145;1452133609;mircea_popescu;aha. i didn't say it was ridiculous, either. 1362146;1452133669;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361583 << much better. recall my "send your teen to live in africa for a year, take african teen in for a year" ? 1362147;1452133669;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 20:48:23; pete_dushenski: if not better, seeing as how white kids are used to lavish finished basements all to themselves and aren't used to the sardine lifestyle 1362148;1452133685;mircea_popescu;the experience'd benefit western idjit kids immensely. 1362149;1452133709;mircea_popescu;straightn out basic things such as "am i overweight" "what is rape" etc. 1362150;1452133836;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361596 << there's nothing nice about them and they aren't men. 1362151;1452133836;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:02:34; pete_dushenski: http://i2.wp.com/jackbaruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/germancoupe.jpg?zoom=2&resize=510%2C426 << "At the risk of being indelicate, what you see there is nothing more or less than what happens when women become tired of feminized men. West German society spent seventy years trying to kill its vicious, nationalist inner demons and this is the result: nice young men who would never think about inva 1362152;1452133850;mircea_popescu;infantilized drone barely capable to serve as a man's prince albert. 1362153;1452133890;asciilifeform;what, even the muscular fella in the centre ? 1362154;1452133937;mircea_popescu;that guy is from lebanon. 1362155;1452133940;mircea_popescu;the german kid is on the left. 1362156;1452133942;asciilifeform;ah! 1362157;1452133946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361610 << someone somewhere ok'd this. 1362158;1452133946;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:18:47; jurov: sigh. namecheap is really a caricature now. clicked refresh icon in the domains list, and it replied: 1362159;1452133959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, 10 yos didn't have a daddy, will get a daddy when they're 20. for them and the wife. 1362160;1452133970;asciilifeform;l0l what wife. 1362161;1452134003;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361622 << word. 1362162;1452134003;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:21:57; ascii_butugychag: this is a pretty good idea for a student project - write a thingy that connects to a node and asks for a tx 1362163;1452134016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the woman that is there to dock his paychecks later on. 1362164;1452134028;asciilifeform;owner. 1362165;1452134029;mircea_popescu;very easy for western muppet to get married. ask ukr chick. 1362166;1452134067;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361635 << it's a mix. 1362167;1452134067;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:35:48; ascii_butugychag: if bitbet is sufficiently roboticized, (is it?) this kind of situation is engineerable 1362168;1452134071;mircea_popescu;for that reason. 1362169;1452134112;asciilifeform;yeah but is the manual component any kind of barrier against it presently. 1362170;1452134127;asciilifeform;(does somebody actually walk the wallet by hand? apparently not!) 1362171;1452134261;mircea_popescu;it's complicated. 1362172;1452134323;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361881 << holding a billion dollars worth of funbux IS PAYING !111!1 1362173;1452134323;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:42:19; asciilifeform: pay for it to happen. 1362174;1452134337;mircea_popescu;this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares. 1362175;1452134364;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361874 << yeah i intend to. 1362176;1452134364;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:33:00; kakobrekla: also, if you do not change something in the process of paying out bbet winning this thing is bound to repeat sooner or later. 1362177;1452134455;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under. 1362178;1452134455;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 01:01:34; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361864 << you can get adacoin for less than this, likely 1362179;1452134534;mircea_popescu;anyway, re german penis ornaments : in fairness merely a coupla centuries ago their grandfathers went to congo or wherever and used the local boys in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reason. 1362180;1452134538;mircea_popescu;nature's the ultimate fairness. 1362181;1452134645;mircea_popescu;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/04/revealed-1000-migrants-brawl-rape-sexually-assault-steal-one-german-train-station-new-years-eve/ << lulzy. 1362182;1452134646;assbot;REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve ... ( http://bit.ly/1mHybvR ) 1362183;1452134649;mircea_popescu;germany had it's own rotherham. 1362184;1452134681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00049879 = 26.6853 BTC [-] {4} 1362185;1452134755;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362177 << wai wut ?! 1362186;1452134755;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:40:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361903 << ~1k coins being paid out, was the point. somewhat under. 1362187;1452134768;mircea_popescu;anyway, jack baruth dude's puttign way too much pressure on the kid. 1362188;1452134775;mircea_popescu;manhood is all about lazy. 1362189;1452134800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a large pile of transactions bitbet is making, which are the topic of that conversation. 1362190;1452134807;asciilifeform;ah them 1362191;1452134822;asciilifeform;i misread as mircea_popescu having paid somebody 1kbtc to work on mircea_popescucoin. 1362192;1452134885;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362174 << i can print and 'hodl' ten quintillion shares in an imaginary interstellar shipping company, does not bring ftl flight any closer 1362193;1452134885;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:38:57; mircea_popescu: this is how one "pays for company to happen" : holds shares. 1362194;1452134920;mircea_popescu;but if you print them and i hodl them, i will be correct in saying that i invested their value in ftl flight. 1362195;1452134924;mircea_popescu;poor investment as that may be. 1362196;1452134970;asciilifeform;if you paid something for them - yes 1362197;1452134991;asciilifeform;then, unless i catastrophically misunderstand, you invested whatever it was that you paid. 1362198;1452135035;mircea_popescu;mno. that pov is "pot-investment". ie, since i put 5 dollars in the pot, i own 5 dollars in the pot. 1362199;1452135040;mircea_popescu;the value is whatever you could get for them. 1362200;1452135066;*;asciilifeform is 'poorfag' and reasons in such terms, yes 1362201;1452135068;mircea_popescu;which is why whether i bought a bitcoin for a dollar or for a thousand, my current holding value for a bitcoin is still whatever ELSE i could get for a bitcoin 1362202;1452135077;mircea_popescu;"2) a large fleet of submarines currently being equipped with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles (a capability the US Navy still lacks) for holding the barbarians at a distance from the fight;" << heh. let's best not talk about that. 1362203;1452135125;asciilifeform;incidentally note the lack of a 'naval isis' 1362204;1452135155;asciilifeform;something about supersonic sea rockets that seems to favour mega-state, mega-surprise 1362205;1452135162;mircea_popescu;this has been a historical problem of the arabs. 1362206;1452135180;mircea_popescu;couldn't sail for shit. 1362207;1452135188;asciilifeform;and note how the golden age of piracy ended. 1362208;1452135235;asciilifeform;and ever watch those little clips on youtube of what happens when ru navy runs into somalis ? 1362209;1452135239;mircea_popescu;by spain going bankrupt ? 1362210;1452135252;mircea_popescu;i dun watch youtubeh. 1362211;1452135335;asciilifeform;while one or more mega-states remain standing - they own the sea. 1362212;1452135338;asciilifeform;and air. 1362213;1452135352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00049731 = 11.4879 BTC [-] {2} 1362214;1452135378;asciilifeform;(in the same way, and for same reason, as btc mining) 1362215;1452135388;mircea_popescu;spain was megastate, owned nothing. 1362216;1452135395;mircea_popescu;again : nobody owns the free man. 1362217;1452135397;asciilifeform;megastate was not invented. 1362218;1452135401;mircea_popescu;heh. 1362219;1452135413;asciilifeform;ferdinand did not have panopticon. 1362220;1452135416;mircea_popescu;looky : you can try and package this until the cows come home. there shall never be an acceptable excuse. 1362221;1452135419;mircea_popescu;freedom's inside. 1362222;1452135471;asciilifeform;if that were the only kind that counted, folks would be happy to wear the napoleon hat at the nuttery 1362223;1452135476;asciilifeform;while... phreeeee inside!111 1362224;1452135498;mircea_popescu;not what i said in any sense. 1362225;1452135515;asciilifeform;then what means 'freedom's inside' 1362226;1452135530;mircea_popescu;freedom's inside as in "by the fact that your plane's landing in your building will you know the free man". 1362227;1452135546;mircea_popescu;not freedom's inside as in the pic of two dudes from earlier. 1362228;1452135552;asciilifeform;ah 1362229;1452135583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might just be the last free man left standing and i notice that he isn't in much of a hurry to fly into anything quite yet 1362230;1452135607;mircea_popescu;you got your system o' coordinates wrong. 1362231;1452135622;mircea_popescu;everything's, to date, very fucking carefully avoided flying into me. 1362232;1452135633;mircea_popescu;which explains how come it still is here. 1362233;1452135646;asciilifeform;except for that one fella who molested the bitbet britneychain ? 1362234;1452135660;asciilifeform;or fried the old mpex disks ? 1362235;1452135661;asciilifeform;etc 1362236;1452135665;mircea_popescu;aha. 1362237;1452135692;mircea_popescu;plenty of close encounters, like with everything else. 1362238;1452135700;mircea_popescu;but why am i so important anyway ? 1362239;1452135705;mircea_popescu;things are what they are indifferent of me. 1362240;1452135718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52543 @ 0.00049731 = 26.1302 BTC [-] 1362241;1452135743;asciilifeform;are they ? 1362242;1452135744;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow i go marry p diddy and dedicate my days to writing pop-rap, exactly nothing will have changed on this score. 1362243;1452135750;asciilifeform;mebbe we all get gc'd if mircea_popescu gets switched off. 1362244;1452135814;mircea_popescu;what's gc'd again ? 1362245;1452135820;asciilifeform;garbagecollected 1362246;1452135823;asciilifeform;mark'n'sweep. 1362247;1452135824;mircea_popescu;oic 1362248;1452135839;*;asciilifeform bbl 1362249;1452136024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30174 @ 0.00050311 = 15.1808 BTC [+] {3} 1362250;1452136206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00050477 = 13.0231 BTC [+] {3} 1362251;1452136694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10449 @ 0.00050479 = 5.2746 BTC [+] 1362252;1452138646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00050514 = 11.7445 BTC [+] {2} 1362253;1452139317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00050519 = 9.4976 BTC [+] 1362254;1452139744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00049708 = 1.8641 BTC [-] {2} 1362255;1452140598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.0004967 = 26.4493 BTC [-] 1362256;1452141513;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1362257;1452141528;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 439.99, vol: 7914.88388458 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 437.749, vol: 6883.73852 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.55, vol: 22428.33726691 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.108083, vol: 56351.94240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.13, vol: 53.52266739 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 441.456, vol: 41.83891888 | Volume-weighted last average: 438.826307837 1362258;1452142367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13845 @ 0.00050519 = 6.9944 BTC [+] 1362259;1452144624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049667 = 9.4616 BTC [-] {2} 1362260;1452144746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00049676 = 6.905 BTC [+] 1362261;1452145479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00050521 = 23.1199 BTC [+] {3} 1362262;1452145540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050558 = 3.853 BTC [+] 1362263;1452146028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64500 @ 0.00049594 = 31.9881 BTC [-] {4} 1362264;1452147980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00050543 = 22.9971 BTC [+] {3} 1362265;1452148285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22392 @ 0.00050559 = 11.3212 BTC [+] {2} 1362266;1452148346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38408 @ 0.00050647 = 19.4525 BTC [+] {2} 1362267;1452148631;BingoBoingo;;;google chevy bolt 1362268;1452148632;gribble;Bolt EV Concept Car: The Future of EV | Chevrolet: ; The Electric Chevrolet Bolt: This Is It Before You're Supposed To See It: ; I drove the Chevy Bolt, GM's electric car for everyone | The Verge: (1 more message) 1362269;1452148640;BingoBoingo;^ Tesla's over 1362270;1452150969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.000506 = 31.3973 BTC [-] {8} 1362271;1452153653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55951 @ 0.00050151 = 28.06 BTC [-] {3} 1362272;1452154202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80732 @ 0.00050046 = 40.4031 BTC [-] {2} 1362273;1452155300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00050239 = 6.6818 BTC [+] {2} 1362274;1452156703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00050251 = 19.0703 BTC [+] {2} 1362275;1452156825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69344 @ 0.0005046 = 34.991 BTC [+] {2} 1362276;1452156886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89648 @ 0.00051246 = 45.941 BTC [+] {6} 1362277;1452156947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24908 @ 0.00051531 = 12.8353 BTC [+] 1362278;1452157681;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.80000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b25 1362279;1452158303;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.25839739 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b26 1362280;1452159204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50861 @ 0.00050332 = 25.5994 BTC [-] 1362281;1452159692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00050273 = 28.0775 BTC [-] 1362282;1452159906;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b27 1362283;1452160119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63471 @ 0.00050108 = 31.804 BTC [-] {3} 1362284;1452160642;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362104 leash is not needed. maybe one in a million is capable of simultaneous working in corporate machine and also under completely different paradigm on their own 1362285;1452160642;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:13:30; asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes' 1362286;1452160668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00050046 = 12.5575 BTC [-] {2} 1362287;1452160833;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362107 TCP socket that electrum wallet creates is easily replaced by serial connection, what stops you? 1362288;1452160833;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:14:08; *: BingoBoingo spzs that alternative to burn it all down right now, is make less retarded "electrum server/wallet" software pair. server runs with node, wallet runs on machine connected with rs-232, bitcoind relays transaction and feeds server blockchain 1362289;1452160950;jurov;whether "stratum" protocol fits in head for easy control, that's another question. 1362290;1452161583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9882 @ 0.00049404 = 4.8821 BTC [-] 1362291;1452162498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00050028 = 6.4036 BTC [+] {3} 1362292;1452162681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17811 @ 0.00050131 = 8.9288 BTC [+] 1362293;1452164023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00049401 = 12.2514 BTC [-] {3} 1362294;1452164816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17845 @ 0.0005013 = 8.9457 BTC [+] {2} 1362295;1452164970;kakobrekla;isnt stratum a miner protocol thing? 1362296;1452165585;jurov;kakobrekla: it's easily extensible 1362297;1452165645;jurov;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Stratum_mining_protocol 1362298;1452165646;assbot;Stratum mining protocol - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkFjLU ) 1362299;1452165702;jurov;Stratum protocol is based on JSON-RPC 2.0 (although it doesn’t include “jsonrpc” information in every message). 1362300;1452165808;jurov;http://www.wired.com/2016/01/project-aims-to-unite-bitcoin-with-other-online-currencies/ fuuuu what a spin 1362301;1452165809;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkFBCD ) 1362302;1452165817;jurov;“This will be something that sits on top of all the ledgers and abstracts the differences,” says Ripple chief technology officer Stefan Thomas. “We’re trying to create a global standard for payments.” 1362303;1452165839;jurov;they ran off with alf's meta-nsa idea :D 1362304;1452166978;punkman;https://github.com/interledger/five-bells-demo ref implementation is node.js of course 1362305;1452166979;assbot;interledger/five-bells-demo · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkHP4T ) 1362306;1452167003;punkman;wtf does it do, some kind of cross-chain mutlisig? 1362307;1452167356;kakobrekla;they just keep making up new shits as upgrades to the previous shits and juicing the vcs 1362308;1452169391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42489 @ 0.00050005 = 21.2466 BTC [-] 1362309;1452170001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00049557 = 2.354 BTC [-] {2} 1362310;1452170244;jurov;um...okcupiddudes should be instructed to wait longer than 5 mins 1362311;1452171466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00049557 = 11.8193 BTC [-] 1362312;1452172427;mircea_popescu; ^ Tesla's over << you wouldn't have expected a govt agency not to muscle in sooner or later neh ? 1362313;1452172723;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1361875 << you can, if you don't care about the risk someone will send you a new payment and miners will rearrange a block so that it goes t otheir fee. incidentally, this property of the correct design combined with the baseless butthurt of the power rangers over address reuse (in which they simply follow unthinkingly the humours of satoshi) suggests to me that the derp 1362314;1452172723;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:34:40; kakobrekla: "send their total contents as follows" now i noted the 'total' - then you must never reuse an address. 1362315;1452172724;mircea_popescu;ACTUALLY THOUGHT his design equivalent to the correct design in this aspect, and none of them meanwhile figured out the matter even exists so blindly follow. 1362316;1452172794;mircea_popescu;also, jurov is exactly right. humans are monomaniacs by nature. 1362317;1452172859;mircea_popescu; This will be something that sits on top of all the <<< dream of aparatchick. to "sit on top of all the". wherein "aparatchick" is defined as "one whose ambition exceeds his capacities". 1362318;1452172862;mircea_popescu;world fulla these. 1362319;1452172868;kakobrekla;in the tx inputs on the tx address arent unambiguously specified you could reuse same signed statement "move x btc fom xa to ya" 1362320;1452172889;mircea_popescu; they just keep making up new shits as upgrades to the previous shits and juicing the vcs << precisely. 1362321;1452172910;kakobrekla;if* 1362322;1452172924;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's what teh nonce is for. 1362323;1452172938;mircea_popescu;well... that and protecting the crypto. 1362324;1452172999;mircea_popescu;jurov nah, let them give their own measure. i very much appreciate the exceptional filtering b-a provides for "hey man where could i talk to you i have an important business proposal". 1362325;1452173019;mircea_popescu;"can i be your partner ?" etc. i pass along a webchat linl, problem solved. 1362326;1452173043;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform can i has nsa letter ? 1362327;1452173478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13328 @ 0.00050004 = 6.6645 BTC [+] {2} 1362328;1452173526;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4246e8e37f11f4f10d939e8da41526c2/tumblr_n037514mNT1s2gmayo1_1280.jpg 1362329;1452173527;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISCcYJ ) 1362330;1452173557;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1362331;1452173561;gribble;Current Blocks: 392162 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 957 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1362332;1452173783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00049557 = 21.6564 BTC [-] 1362333;1452173874;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362328 <<< Good morning Asseteers! :D 1362334;1452173874;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 13:32:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/4246e8e37f11f4f10d939e8da41526c2/tumblr_n037514mNT1s2gmayo1_1280.jpg 1362335;1452173894;mircea_popescu;hola. 1362336;1452174311;shinohai;4329 blocks to go. I might have an actual trb node by next week. 1362337;1452174410;mircea_popescu;le cool. 1362338;1452174431;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/cute-bird-parents-41__700.jpg 1362339;1452174432;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mIctaQ ) 1362340;1452174505;mircea_popescu;!up Chesterly 1362341;1452174537;Chesterly;hey mirc. Are the end of the year bets that havent been confirmed being rebroadcast? 1362342;1452174543;Chesterly;they are just sitting in mempools 1362343;1452174569;mircea_popescu;Chesterly being worked on, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362080 1362344;1452174569;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 02:03:27; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if people are still emailing you re bitbet : it seems currently that the whole shebang should be done before the weekend. with apologies to all the users who got their payouts delayed. 1362345;1452174571;mircea_popescu;!up bitbttttt 1362346;1452174576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049557 = 10.4813 BTC [-] 1362347;1452174580;shinohai;^ see? I haz learned the value of patience. BitBet users not so much. 1362348;1452174585;Chesterly;thank you 1362349;1452174588;mircea_popescu;np. 1362350;1452174592;mircea_popescu;shinohai hey, it's their money. 1362351;1452174607;bitbttttt;hi 1362352;1452174628;Chesterly;i'm fine with being patient so long as i'm informed about the situation 1362353;1452174639;Chesterly;seems bitbet is keeping users informed which is good 1362354;1452174642;mircea_popescu;aha. 1362355;1452174672;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you have patience to go througfh the logs it's prolly informative. 1362356;1452174682;Chesterly;will do 1362357;1452174683;Chesterly;thanks 1362358;1452174695;shinohai;If no one else is doing it I will keep posting updates to the bitcointalk thread with mah shiny new account. 1362359;1452174708;Chesterly;plz post link to that thread 1362360;1452174709;Chesterly;thanks 1362361;1452174712;shinohai;Lacking anything else to do lately. 1362362;1452174725;mircea_popescu;idle hands are the devil's penises or how did that go shinohai 1362363;1452174729;mircea_popescu;gotta get you married off or what. 1362364;1452174747;shinohai;I was already married once, do not wish to repeat. 1362365;1452174798;mircea_popescu;the longest serving slavegirl is gonna celebrate decade mark soon, i attest the experience's been nothing short of pleasant. 1362366;1452174799;shinohai;Besides, call girls are cheaper and less annoying. 1362367;1452174801;mircea_popescu;marriage is for the dogs. 1362368;1452174850;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah less annoying, perhaps, but do they suckle on your toes in lieu of wake-up alarm ? hm ? 1362369;1452174879;shinohai;I like to be awoken with a good hummer >.> 1362370;1452174948;mircea_popescu;i'm a light sleeper :D 1362371;1452174954;shinohai;lol 1362372;1452175064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00049547 = 11.2472 BTC [-] {2} 1362373;1452175198;shinohai;No official trb thread on bitcointalk, all this XT, bigger blocks, and segwit nonsense there too. :/ 1362374;1452175255;punkman;shinohai: that'd be good for some lulz 1362375;1452175373;mircea_popescu;best get a pic with nice cleavage too shinohai 1362376;1452175387;shinohai;Indeed. When I haz enough forum rank I'll even make a trb signature xD 1362377;1452175408;shinohai;Heh they disallow pics for noobs now 1362378;1452175728;jurov;i have an old account, unused for ~2 years, don't you want it? 1362379;1452175906;punkman;"Google has fixed a bug in an online tool after it began translating "Russian Federation" to "Mordor"." 1362380;1452175924;shinohai;kek 1362381;1452176162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00050045 = 22.5953 BTC [+] {2} 1362382;1452176286;BingoBoingo; whether "stratum" protocol fits in head for easy control, that's another question. << A lot of this. I'm imagining and "electrum" that isn't actually electrum. i.e. not a big ball of whatever that desperately wants to advertise to the world exactly what it is. basically a different better database client setup. May break down and learn to make code enough to shit one out by 2030. 1362383;1452176589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00049533 = 5.4734 BTC [-] {2} 1362384;1452177260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34640 @ 0.00050108 = 17.3574 BTC [+] {4} 1362385;1452178785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00050176 = 9.2324 BTC [+] {2} 1362386;1452179029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00049533 = 10.6001 BTC [-] 1362387;1452180310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26772 @ 0.00049986 = 13.3823 BTC [+] {2} 1362388;1452180988;diametric;asciilifeform: around? 1362389;1452181004;diametric;he's at the salt mine isn't he 1362390;1452181083;thestringpuller;diametric: uranium mine* 1362391;1452181272;diametric;!up Xplosionist 1362392;1452181283;Xplosionist;thx! 1362393;1452181299;Xplosionist;Mostly I wanted voice for a bit to ask about getting a bitbet resolved early. 1362394;1452181347;Xplosionist;bet 1172 can only resolve "Yes" as of this past Sunday's football game, but the original resolution time is set to be after the Superbowl. 1362395;1452181452;diametric;ascii_butugychag: morning 1362396;1452181500;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1362397;1452181508;thestringpuller;How is the labor camp ascii_butugychag ? 1362398;1452181612;ascii_butugychag;hey diametric ! 1362399;1452181629;diametric;ascii_butugychag: Xplosionist is here, he's had some good fortune on bitbet 1362400;1452181630;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: meeting uranium quota 1362401;1452181637;ascii_butugychag;Xplosionist ! 1362402;1452181641;ascii_butugychag;l0l how's that 1362403;1452181652;Xplosionist;Howdy ascii! 1362404;1452181657;diametric;he had faith in the redskins 1362405;1452181665;diametric;when no one else did 1362406;1452181669;Xplosionist;(which is hard to do I must admit) 1362407;1452181688;mircea_popescu;sometimes they get closed early yeah. 1362408;1452181706;ascii_butugychag;interesting. unfortunately i don't know enough re: the sport to comment 1362409;1452181730;Xplosionist;The regular season ended this past weekend. The post-season is all single elimintation. 1362410;1452181752;Xplosionist;So, their record if 9-7, and they can lose a maximum of one more game (which they likely will in their first post-season game, but) 1362411;1452181760;Xplosionist;s/if/is 1362412;1452181975;diametric;I see, so no matter what, the Redskins can only lose one more game, putting them at 9 wins, 8 losses, still making the bet resolve to yes. So theres no point in waiting until after the superbowl to resolve it? 1362413;1452182047;*;ascii_butugychag bbl, meeting 1362414;1452182086;Xplosionist;Yes diametric. Their worst posible conclustion would be 9-8. If they win more games, it will be better. 1362415;1452182102;diametric;;;rate Xplosionist 1 meatspace colleague, an actual verifiable human being. 1362416;1452182103;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Xplosionist has been recorded. 1362417;1452182105;Xplosionist;(I don't think anyone expects them to beat the packers this weekend, but I kinda hope it might happen) 1362418;1452182140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00049515 = 28.9663 BTC [-] {4} 1362419;1452182155;Xplosionist;;;rate diametric 1 coworker, verifiable human, smart guy 1362420;1452182156;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user diametric has been recorded. 1362421;1452182287;danielpbarron;!gettrust diametric Xplosionist 1362422;1452182287;assbot;Trust relationship from user diametric to user Xplosionist: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=diametric&to=Xplosionist | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Xplosionist/ 1362423;1452182297;Xplosionist;So I just wanted to try that, so I can start the 48 hour timer on getting my reward for blind devotion. ;-) 1362424;1452182393;Xplosionist;mircea_popescu: Can that bet be resolved now? 1362425;1452182466;Xplosionist;diametric: You should trust asciilifeform, so there's a secondary path between us in WOT. :-) 1362426;1452182488;diametric;at some point i'll sit down and figure out all the people i should jerk off in wot. 1362427;1452182601;Xplosionist;danielpbarron: What's btcalpha.com, and why does it seem to have a different reading on WOT than bitcoin-otc.com? 1362428;1452182609;mircea_popescu;Xplosionist bitbet's a little backed up at the moment, but prolly someone'll look into it sooner than lsater. 1362429;1452182612;Xplosionist;diametric: ew! Bad picture.... 1362430;1452182622;danielpbarron;Xplosionist, it's a different WoT that forked from the gribble one 1362431;1452182632;mircea_popescu;Xplosionist the wot got forked almost exactly a year ago. 1362432;1452182655;Xplosionist;mircea_popescu thanks. I'd just rather not have to wait a month plus. 1362433;1452183026;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.naphex.1:0d73d0627aad426c66808bbfaa61cf3f5e460e74dde8061cd1deac0ce69d6275 1362434;1452183026;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for naphex with note: Brought together BTC and babes with xotika.tv 1362435;1452183055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29368 @ 0.00049678 = 14.5894 BTC [+] {2} 1362436;1452183270;diametric;!up Xplosionist 1362437;1452184077;Xplosionist;And bitcoin is sharply up today, I notice. This is a good thing. 1362438;1452184170;diametric;I'm guessing speculation related to the chinese market crash. 1362439;1452184224;diametric;hmm btc-e appears to be down. 1362440;1452184246;Xplosionist;for the day? Bitstamp is up 20+, so that would be surprising. 1362441;1452184288;Xplosionist;oh, you likely meant the server, not the reported BTC value. :-) 1362442;1452184293;diametric;yeah 1362443;1452184397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5351 @ 0.0004942 = 2.6445 BTC [-] {2} 1362444;1452184458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39499 @ 0.00049367 = 19.4995 BTC [-] {2} 1362445;1452184702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00049669 = 9.2136 BTC [+] {2} 1362446;1452185312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82629 @ 0.00049367 = 40.7915 BTC [-] {2} 1362447;1452185373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25148 @ 0.00049279 = 12.3927 BTC [-] {2} 1362448;1452186492;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1362449;1452186509;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.01, vol: 14445.88527525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.89, vol: 46846.83436107 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 2.1 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.973463, vol: 82328.44740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.16011, vol: 88.77511911 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.319135, vol: 86.94295586 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.703309505 1362450;1452186815;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/opinion/guns-anger-and-nonsense-in-oregon.html "by the editorial board" lol 1362451;1452186818;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RcddCh ) 1362452;1452186959;punkman;"The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns." 1362453;1452187245;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large 1362454;1452187246;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O ) 1362455;1452187428;punkman;https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/685124632723066880 1362456;1452187935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00049234 = 18.7582 BTC [-] {4} 1362457;1452188002;BingoBoingo;Oh, a cool order in the -otc book https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=22599 1362458;1452188003;assbot;#bitcoin-otc order id 22599 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RceQ2Z ) 1362459;1452188232;jurov;http://www.amazon.com/AJC-TSG100-Titanium-Roofing-Hatchet/dp/B005WY9XXE this? 1362460;1452188234;assbot;AJC TSG100 Titanium Roofing Hatchet Weight 10 oz. Made in U.S.A. - Shingle Hammers - Amazon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rcf9uv ) 1362461;1452188288;BingoBoingo;lol 1362462;1452188304;BingoBoingo;It's a timekeeping device 1362463;1452188325;BingoBoingo;Though that is a sweet hatchet, I dun have a titanium one 1362464;1452188606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30133 @ 0.00049683 = 14.971 BTC [+] {2} 1362465;1452188694;mod6;jurov: did you ever figure out anything with that segfault -- weather data corrupted or isolated to local changes to bitcoind for mempool investigation? 1362466;1452188720;jurov;no, did not work on that yet 1362467;1452188743;jurov;you got it too? 1362468;1452188789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049684 = 2.5836 BTC [+] 1362469;1452188895;mod6;no, i've never seen anything like that. have stopped R.I. (sometimes for weeks at a time) then restarted without issue, lots of times. just been following along in here. just was curious. 1362470;1452188991;mod6;been trying to follow up with a whole bunch of things from here actually. including this tx thing from yesterday. i've been going through the raw txs and drawing diagrams myself. 1362471;1452189136;mod6;what's strange, at least to me, is why tx d8e60a097 seemed to u tx ebc5d7688 as its prev_hash instead of tx 09e82c06, which was accepted and added to block 391,657. 1362472;1452189163;punkman;mod6, because teh wallet sucks 1362473;1452189195;mod6;all of this 94 blocks after tx 9de6a04788 1362474;1452189236;mod6;punkman: yeah, without digging into the code yet, it certainly appears that way. 1362475;1452189268;mod6;s/seemed to u tx/seemed to use tx/ 1362476;1452189643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104631 @ 0.00049927 = 52.2391 BTC [+] {5} 1362477;1452189704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3709 @ 0.00050254 = 1.8639 BTC [+] 1362478;1452190436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9455 @ 0.00050253 = 4.7514 BTC [-] {2} 1362479;1452190463;deedbot-;[Qntra] Iran Announces Hajj Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/01/iran-announces-hajj-ban/ 1362480;1452190497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58568 @ 0.00050272 = 29.4433 BTC [+] {2} 1362481;1452191151;punkman;"If the game detects it was pirated, it will throw up a fake error message stating "Unable to shade polygon normals", which is not actually an error that can occur. The "error code" provided with the message will be equivalent to the pirate's Steam ID, causing many pirates to out themselves posting the error and its code on the official Garry's Mod forums, resulting in a ban from Steam." 1362482;1452191839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16615 @ 0.00050046 = 8.3151 BTC [-] {2} 1362483;1452191961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9271 @ 0.00049736 = 4.611 BTC [-] {2} 1362484;1452192022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108779 @ 0.00050404 = 54.829 BTC [+] {6} 1362485;1452192932;BingoBoingo;!up Cristina 1362486;1452192956;Cristina;hola hola 1362487;1452192957;Cristina;gracias 1362488;1452194218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13671 @ 0.0004915 = 6.7193 BTC [-] {3} 1362489;1452194234;jurov;https://www.bimek.com/?lang=en huh 1362490;1452194236;assbot;Bimek SLV – The new contraception for men. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n6rfZz ) 1362491;1452194249;jurov;"One valve is mounted on each spermatic duct and disrupts the flow of sperm cells when closed. The user is then sterile, can wear the Bimek SLV for a life time and regulate it himself with just a flip of a switch." 1362492;1452194481;BingoBoingo;Or if you want male birth control you could just blast trenbolone for great justice 1362493;1452194523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38048 @ 0.00050509 = 19.2177 BTC [+] {2} 1362494;1452194657;kakobrekla;100% vegan ? 1362495;1452194686;BingoBoingo;Sure 1362496;1452194743;*;BingoBoingo sure Big Child Support Industry is only reason effective male birth control is not available otc in pharmacies 1362497;1452195255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28967 @ 0.00049414 = 14.3138 BTC [-] {2} 1362498;1452196039;shinohai;dat netsplit! >.> 1362499;1452196658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26177 @ 0.00049189 = 12.8762 BTC [-] {3} 1362500;1452196719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30621 @ 0.00049094 = 15.0331 BTC [-] {2} 1362501;1452197928;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which two fathers attempt to unironically discuss cuckolds. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/07/in-which-two-fathers-attempt-to-unironically-discuss-cuckolds/ 1362502;1452198061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00049111 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2} 1362503;1452198427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00049111 = 13.8493 BTC [+] 1362504;1452201295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0004904 = 14.0254 BTC [-] {2} 1362505;1452202738;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1362506;1452202752;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 454.64, vol: 15490.75269341 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 451.575, vol: 10222.81119 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 455.98, vol: 51728.15078022 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 2.84 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 453.736217, vol: 85256.03370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 453.0, vol: 131.78954268 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.567916, vol: 92.48171251 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1362507;1452202769;BingoBoingo;;;more 1362508;1452202769;gribble;454.400275491 1362509;1452203124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0004935 = 8.6363 BTC [+] {3} 1362510;1452204014;pete_dushenski;my new node 'tevye' is now synced (took <7 days) and 8333 is open : 162.220.15.184 1362511;1452204144;pete_dushenski;using ~1.2gb of ram atm. 1362512;1452204219;pete_dushenski;though rapidly running out of disk space... currently on the hunt for new vps provider. 1362513;1452204241;pete_dushenski;!up thestringpuller 1362514;1452204251;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1362515;1452204252;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.15, Best ask: 456.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 456.2, 24 hour volume: 51612.52325862, 24 hour low: 427.03, 24 hour high: 459.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1362516;1452204304;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mod6 thanks for all your help with the node set-up, it worked like a charm :) 1362517;1452204304;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1362518;1452204325;mod6;np, glad to hear it :] 1362519;1452204334;pete_dushenski;25 connections atm 1362520;1452204348;mod6;go, btc go! 1362521;1452204373;pete_dushenski;though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence 1362522;1452204384;mircea_popescu;what's tevye btw ? 1362523;1452204397;pete_dushenski;fiddler on the roof protagonist 1362524;1452204403;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1362525;1452204563;*;ben_vulpes launches a bubble from the submersible 1362526;1452204598;mircea_popescu;fart ? 1362527;1452204688;pete_dushenski;!s contabo 1362528;1452204689;assbot;0 results for 'contabo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=contabo 1362529;1452204713;mircea_popescu;"if wealth is a curse let god smite me down with it! and let me never recover!" 1362530;1452204722;pete_dushenski;^^ 1362531;1452204730;mircea_popescu;o btw, you know the joke with the xtian, muslim and jew discussing religion ? 1362532;1452204739;pete_dushenski;which one ? 1362533;1452204780;mircea_popescu;so these three fellows are siting around extolling their respective faiths and the merits of the respective chief figurehead. 1362534;1452204798;mircea_popescu;xtian explains how one day he was walking down the street, and he saw the most beautiful woman. 1362535;1452204842;mircea_popescu;so he followed her, and as he was going prayed the lord, "my god, do not let me fall into sin for this woman". so as god had it the woman turned a corner, there was a church, she went in, they were married and it was all good. 1362536;1452204846;mircea_popescu;praise the lord! 1362537;1452204862;mircea_popescu;muslim goes : well, i saw this great horse. best horse i've ever seen. 1362538;1452204901;mircea_popescu;except his fucking owner wouldn\t sell it no matter what. so i prayed to the prophet, that i may not fall into sin for this horse. so allah intervened, the horse dropped dead and all was well. 1362539;1452204904;mircea_popescu;allaku snackbar! 1362540;1452204926;mircea_popescu;the jew explains : one sabbath day, i was going down the street and lo! there was a hundred dollars on the ground. 1362541;1452204954;mircea_popescu;so he prayed to yahweh, "oh lord, do not let me fall into sin in the holy day of sabbath". and lo and behold, all around him was suddenly wednesday. 1362542;1452205038;pete_dushenski;l0l 1362543;1452205057;pete_dushenski;apt. 1362544;1452205259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13338 @ 0.00049308 = 6.5767 BTC [-] {2} 1362545;1452205320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15258 @ 0.00049016 = 7.4789 BTC [-] {2} 1362546;1452205485;davout;mircea_popescu: good one 1362547;1452205502;mircea_popescu;;) 1362548;1452205808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55000 @ 0.00049365 = 27.1508 BTC [+] {2} 1362549;1452205991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.0004937 = 10.6886 BTC [+] {2} 1362550;1452206113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049434 = 9.4172 BTC [+] 1362551;1452206178;mircea_popescu;anyone in teh us wanna order a flowers delivery for me ? 1362552;1452206289;pete_dushenski;i can probably handle it from here 1362553;1452206389;pete_dushenski;take your pick http://www.usaflowerdelivery.com/ http://www.proflowers.com/usa-flowers-usa 1362554;1452206390;assbot;USA Flower Delivery | Flower Delivery USA | USA Flowers Delivered ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNO3sS ) 1362555;1452206392;assbot;USA Flowers | Flower Delivery in America / United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNO683 ) 1362556;1452206561;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, http://time.com/4130093/best-space-photos-2015/?xid=tcoshare 1362557;1452206562;assbot;The Best Space Photos of 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNOweE ) 1362558;1452206836;shinohai;Dear YHWH please help me locate the proper firmware for my wifi 1362559;1452206993;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361807 << i had mega-fun with this when playing around with a sql schema for the blockchain 1362560;1452206993;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:01:37; mircea_popescu: motherfucker what ?! 1362561;1452207054;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski http://dpaste.com/08WNJDD 1362562;1452207056;assbot;dpaste: 08WNJDD ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNPN5w ) 1362563;1452207155;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361890 << heh you crapping these turds out entertains me no end given how long and loudly you've yelled in the past about the impossibility of it 1362564;1452207155;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 00:50:36; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361822 << lulzily i just put in a long hard day laying the foundations of a provably-correct $boringwidget for $censoredrichfolks 1362565;1452207935;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2V0481K.txt 1362566;1452207936;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VNS5RS ) 1362567;1452208308;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski nothing. 1362568;1452208309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31470 @ 0.00049434 = 15.5569 BTC [+] 1362569;1452208476;pete_dushenski;kk 1362570;1452209321;mircea_popescu;!up unkster 1362571;1452210004;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1D8YHCC.txt 1362572;1452210005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxz7xg ) 1362573;1452210148;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo no source cited for hajj ban ? 1362574;1452210149;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1362575;1452211203;pete_dushenski;;;later tell Dava fix your connection wouldja 1362576;1452211203;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1362577;1452211540;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362326 << aaalmost ready 1362578;1452211540;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 13:24:03; mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform can i has nsa letter ? 1362579;1452211745;diametric;evening asciilifeform 1362580;1452211749;asciilifeform;diametric ! 1362581;1452211800;pete_dushenski;http://www.thelocal.se/20150703/cashless-society-faces-backlash-from-losers 1362582;1452211801;assbot;Cashless society faces backlash from losers - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1S72N7b ) 1362583;1452211843;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362491 << this has gotta be a gag 1362584;1452211843;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 19:17:29; jurov: "One valve is mounted on each spermatic duct and disrupts the flow of sperm cells when closed. The user is then sterile, can wear the Bimek SLV for a life time and regulate it himself with just a flip of a switch." 1362585;1452211848;asciilifeform;switch ?!! 1362586;1452211957;asciilifeform;and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's) 1362587;1452212010;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 >>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html <<< if you're interested 1362588;1452212010;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 22:06:13; pete_dushenski: though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence 1362589;1452212011;assbot;[BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY ) 1362590;1452212046;pete_dushenski;aha. will look into that (eventually) 1362591;1452212053;pete_dushenski;it's on my radar 1362592;1452212054;asciilifeform;just drop it in your 'v' 1362593;1452212057;asciilifeform;and rebuild 1362594;1452212060;asciilifeform;supposing it matters 1362595;1452212079;pete_dushenski;myeah, at 35 connections now. all is well. 1362596;1452212088;asciilifeform;(it makes no practical difference, the patch is cosmetic and i won't be surprised if it is not considered for inclusion in a release) 1362597;1452212114;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362559 << for fuckssake, why??!! 1362598;1452212114;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 22:49:53; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361807 << i had mega-fun with this when playing around with a sql schema for the blockchain 1362599;1452212162;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362563 << it is provably impossible in the general case, which (i think) everybody knows. but did ben_vulpes miss the ada threads ? you can do it for particular programs. just, the usefulness is questionable imho. 1362600;1452212162;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 22:52:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361890 << heh you crapping these turds out entertains me no end given how long and loudly you've yelled in the past about the impossibility of it 1362601;1452212218;asciilifeform;'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm) (r) 1362602;1452212303;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362452 << quite how the reich would like north kr to 'put down the nuke' 1362603;1452212303;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 17:15:59; punkman: "The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns." 1362604;1452212316;asciilifeform;... so that it can be serbia'd 1362605;1452212335;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362269 <--> "Chevy Bolt to start at $37,500 before rebates" 1362606;1452212335;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 06:37:20; BingoBoingo: ^ Tesla's over 1362607;1452212356;pete_dushenski;tesla is still zil, bolt is now trabant. there's room for both. 1362608;1452212381;asciilifeform;kinda funny how americans laughed in '50s-'60s re: soviet cars costing a year of pay of average labourer there 1362609;1452212401;asciilifeform;whereas now... 1362610;1452212408;pete_dushenski;how the tables have turned 1362611;1452212483;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362496 << there ISN'T such a thing, not one that doesn't fuck you up in readily-detectable (litigable !!111) ways. 1362612;1452212483;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 19:25:43; *: BingoBoingo sure Big Child Support Industry is only reason effective male birth control is not available otc in pharmacies 1362613;1452212523;asciilifeform;ovulation comes with a ready off switch - spermatogenesis does not. 1362614;1452212547;pete_dushenski;from same fishwrap as 'cashless' piece, http://www.thelocal.se/20160105/she-had-to-put-her-horse-down-ate-the-meat 1362615;1452212548;assbot;Swedish racer defends eating own dead horse - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1S73LjL ) 1362616;1452212589;asciilifeform;and yes, in cn they tested gossypol. iirc the effect is neither satisfyingly effective nor satisfyingly reversible (how'd ya like that?) 1362617;1452212668;*;pete_dushenski off 1362618;1452212689;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111 1362619;1452212689;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 00:22:27; pete_dushenski: from same fishwrap as 'cashless' piece, http://www.thelocal.se/20160105/she-had-to-put-her-horse-down-ate-the-meat 1362620;1452212910;asciilifeform;http://www.thelocal.se/20160107/more-swedes-than-ever-are-moving-abroad << ever so precious, the usgrasty 1362621;1452212911;assbot;More Swedes than ever are moving abroad - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0D0Ww ) 1362622;1452212922;asciilifeform;'However according to Solevid, there has been little detailed research on the specific reasons Swedes seek new lives abroad. "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," she said, adding that her team intended to investigate the issue.' 1362623;1452212925;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 1362624;1452212933;asciilifeform;MEGA-MYSTERY!1111 1362625;1452212944;asciilifeform;who could possibly guess why they move. 1362626;1452212963;asciilifeform;mendacious fucktards. 1362627;1452213056;asciilifeform;(iirc, swedes - just like finns - who move to thailand, not only escape 'allah snackbar', but pay 0 tax, and can come back for socialist pension, health, etc. whenever they like...) 1362628;1452213165;mircea_popescu;hahaha. and if "america" whatever that is would no longer be a populace opressed by "the rule of law", everyone'd be very happy and could put down their weapons. 1362629;1452213182;mircea_popescu;so how abo0ut the simple message whatever anon politruk needs to hear is, "go fucking hang, we won't need weapons anymore" 1362630;1452213202;mircea_popescu;any chance of that ? everyone employed by usg commits suicide over the weekend, usher paradise on earth ? 1362631;1452213205;mircea_popescu;do your fucking part, eh! 1362632;1452213206;asciilifeform;will work about as well as it did for nestor mahno. 1362633;1452213267;asciilifeform;also picture standing in front of the nuremberg rally and telling ss 'go all hang!111' 1362634;1452213275;mircea_popescu;"addressed" pshhhh. 1362635;1452213292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these schmucks ain't got the balls for no rallies. 1362636;1452213324;asciilifeform;mega-empires, their standing armies, and demented fuhrers don't hang automagically 1362637;1452213341;asciilifeform;somebody has to clean'em up. 1362638;1452213357;mircea_popescu;"There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind. 1362639;1452213362;mircea_popescu;by this measure, africa is also a great place to live. 1362640;1452213383;asciilifeform;actually it's also beautiful if you ask the folks who moved to thailand. 1362641;1452213389;asciilifeform;while collecting their phreeeeeeeee 1362642;1452213470;mircea_popescu;hey, every idiocy is beautiful for as long as you're not paying for it. 1362643;1452213474;mircea_popescu;hence, modern "art". 1362644;1452213492;mircea_popescu;everyone's idea of lol except for the poor schmuck paying for his artistique daughter's abortions. 1362645;1452213510;asciilifeform;has anybody aborted straight to the canvas yet ?? 1362646;1452213520;asciilifeform;or is that menstrual chick still state-of-the-art 1362647;1452213552;mircea_popescu;it is a screaming testament to how dullard the chicks are that this hath not occured to them yet. 1362648;1452213565;mircea_popescu;nicely mirroring the okcupid-no-bash debacle. 1362649;1452213600;asciilifeform;aha! 1362650;1452213605;asciilifeform;but NOW they can!111 1362651;1452213620;mircea_popescu;can only helps the guy with a can opener. 1362652;1452213646;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BujQQsDCAAAk6GG.png:large << as in this classic 1362653;1452213647;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S757Lt ) 1362654;1452213685;mircea_popescu;why the fuck did they blackbar her teats. 1362655;1452213687;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1362656;1452213699;asciilifeform;no idea. iirc there is an uncensored shot somewhere 1362657;1452213708;asciilifeform;(taken by one of many hundreds of people who watched) 1362658;1452213742;mircea_popescu;nitwitty seamstresses. "oh, i put a fig leaf on david". well... hopefully vlad the impaler puts a little something up your tightest hole. 1362659;1452213778;asciilifeform;countdown to 'edgy' art supply shops selling canvas-and-mifepristone-pill kit !111 1362660;1452213861;mircea_popescu;it boggles my mind that they're using all the weird shit when rivanol irrigation'd do the trick just fine. 1362661;1452213908;deedbot-;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-december-2015-statement/ 1362662;1452213954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hard to 'DIY' with foley catheter 1362663;1452213982;mircea_popescu;way the fuck safer and cleanner than anything 3rd party'd do. 1362664;1452214002;asciilifeform;cleaner than pill ? 1362665;1452214004;mircea_popescu;the african country of the us has a lulzy history of "we no got acridine we jump off table on knife hiar" 1362666;1452214008;mircea_popescu;yes. 1362667;1452214013;mircea_popescu;pill is a mess. 1362668;1452214083;asciilifeform;at any rate, the shittier the shitland, the more preoccupied the rulers are with conscripting people to make people 1362669;1452214097;asciilifeform;so BingoBoingo wasn't entirely wrong 1362670;1452214296;mircea_popescu;in other news, that mifepristone reminds me a lot of diethylstilbestrol (anyone know the story of this particular thaliomidoid ?). romania uses levonorgestrel almost exclusively. 1362671;1452214321;asciilifeform;also in usa, iirc. 1362672;1452214324;*;mircea_popescu used to keep a notable stash, mostly because the whole army of sluts/students/tramps and assorted vagabonds didn't trust themselves with it. 1362673;1452214332;asciilifeform;wai wut 1362674;1452214338;asciilifeform;how's that 1362675;1452214341;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't think the usa even had anything. 1362676;1452214367;asciilifeform;levonorgestrel is sold by, possibly, the pound, in every pharmacy here. 1362677;1452214381;asciilifeform;and why wouldn't they trust themselves with it 1362678;1452214415;mircea_popescu;cuz no fixed domicile ? 1362679;1452214425;asciilifeform;ah hm 1362680;1452214436;mircea_popescu;i suppose in a sense i offered wallet services o.O 1362681;1452214561;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but no longer keep stash ? 1362682;1452214594;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1362683;1452214616;asciilifeform;how come ? 1362684;1452214634;mircea_popescu;not really entertaining random tramps so much anymoar. 1362685;1452214639;mircea_popescu;age gets to us all. 1362686;1452215337;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing? 1362687;1452215337;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 22:06:13; pete_dushenski: though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence 1362688;1452215446;mircea_popescu;"I liked trilema better when it had a paywall (and I couldn't read it for lack of trilema credits)." 1362689;1452215455;mircea_popescu;especially funny seeing how the only way to not have credits was to... read it. 1362690;1452215469;asciilifeform;l0lz! 1362691;1452215472;asciilifeform;where was this 1362692;1452215532;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zqeqy/the_intellectual_culling_of_gavin_andresen/ 1362693;1452215533;assbot;The intellectual culling of Gavin Andresen. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWtfs9 ) 1362694;1452215673;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets? 1362695;1452215673;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1362696;1452215913;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362613 << It sure does and the answer is the same, more hormones. Plenty of androgens including plain old testosterone will shut down spermatagenesis by shutting down the HPTA axis and silencing leydig cells. 1362697;1452215913;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 00:22:03; asciilifeform: ovulation comes with a ready off switch - spermatogenesis does not. 1362698;1452216022;mircea_popescu;taking more testosterone is not unlike adding more nitrocelulose to your gasoline. 1362699;1452216032;mircea_popescu;it makes the car be sporty-er you say ? 1362700;1452216046;BingoBoingo;Sure, but for birth control, works. 1362701;1452216053;mircea_popescu;so does hanging. 1362702;1452216096;BingoBoingo;But you can't reverse hanging with a 4 week course of breast cancer drugs 1362703;1452216120;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i remember the enchanted time of the 80s when gasoline shortages and rationing + the universal theft of "accomplished socialism" meant all the workers at the paints factory ran their cars on stolen raw toluene. 1362704;1452216128;mircea_popescu;imagine that lulz if you will. 1362705;1452216176;BingoBoingo;This is a beautiful imagining 1362706;1452216410;mircea_popescu;(in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic) 1362707;1452216477;BingoBoingo;Here they've been bouncing up and down the percentage of fun nitrogen compounds available in racing fuel for the past decade or two 1362708;1452216580;*;mircea_popescu vaguely remembers a prototype to use toluene as nuclear plant coolant, too. imagine the fun of that! 1362709;1452216677;BingoBoingo;Of all the ways that could go wrong, I wonder if there's some small, but existing chance that could make the big detonation 1362710;1452216694;mircea_popescu;imagine the lulz of your coolant blowing up lol 1362711;1452216709;BingoBoingo;4Real 1362712;1452216728;mircea_popescu;"we no longer have a coolant line." "because hydrogen explosion ?" "no, that's why we no longer have a roof. but that came after the coolant blew the line up." 1362713;1452216747;BingoBoingo;And if some material is critical in the right way while the coolant blows up in just the right way... 1362714;1452216783;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything goes critical once coolant goes away in an unplanned manner. 1362715;1452216806;mircea_popescu;experiments in japan and other places are relevantg. 1362716;1452216885;*;BingoBoingo just imagines as unfortunate reactor housing shape providing lensing as this happens 1362717;1452217932;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: approximately as likely as taking a king-sized shit forming critical mass 1362718;1452217955;BingoBoingo;Obviously you've never eaten at Chipotle 1362719;1452218226;thestringpuller;Chipotle is delicious even if it requires chipotle-away. 1362720;1452218252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2853 @ 0.00035095 = 1.0013 BTC [+] 1362721;1452218983;BingoBoingo; From the WaPo-iverse: "25 things that offended me at the movie theater in 2015" 1362722;1452219386;thestringpuller;This new simpsons episode is so brilliant. 1362723;1452219537;thestringpuller;Mild satire on "women in coding" subject. 1362724;1452219598;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/2Y32REP 1362725;1452219599;assbot;dpaste: 2Y32REP ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGF5lu ) 1362726;1452219599;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1362727;1452219661;mircea_popescu;coolty 1362728;1452219858;mircea_popescu;;;ud hbu 1362729;1452219859;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hbu | meaning H.ow B.out Y.ou usully replying to a persons comment/mssg. jon:what are you doing?? shawn:im just listening to music shawn:hbu?? jon:im also listeni  ... 1362730;1452221097;BingoBoingo;!t s.bbet 1362731;1452221097;assbot;I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word. 1362732;1452221104;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet 1362733;1452221104;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC) 1362734;1452221749;asciilifeform;http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/univac-f-1355-00-t6489.html << and some vintage strange. 1362735;1452221750;assbot;[Photos] Univac F-1355-00 • deskthority ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdMOZq ) 1362736;1452221797;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VaAW9NZq4 << same 1362737;1452221798;assbot;Univac F-1355-00 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdMWbh ) 1362738;1452222331;deedbot-;[Qntra] Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn - http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/ 1362739;1452222332;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboPe34UqZw << this fella has a number of interesting pieces 1362740;1452222333;assbot;Teletype 40K 104 DAB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdO3ru ) 1362741;1452222400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.0004918 = 3.6752 BTC [-] {2} 1362742;1452222525;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq. 1362743;1452222526;assbot;HP 5375A Keyboard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdOqlO ) 1362744;1452223133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00049433 = 5.0916 BTC [+] {2} 1362745;1452223484;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: no, i have never done any work with theorem provers. 1362746;1452223508;asciilifeform;hm. 1362747;1452223513;ben_vulpes;why d'you ask? 1362748;1452223528;asciilifeform;thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz 1362749;1452223559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5232 BTC [+] 1362750;1452223606;ben_vulpes;no sir 1362751;1452223677;ben_vulpes;generally speaking i am but a mere technician; can follow proofs and understand their implications for bolt patterns and circuit design, but more interested in...bolting things together and making circuits than proving novelty. 1362752;1452224395;asciilifeform;https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45879.msg963299#msg963299 << lulzy. i took this photo in.. '07?? 1362753;1452224397;assbot;[IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rnap5M ) 1362754;1452224422;asciilifeform;can't even recall where i posted it. 1362755;1452224583;punkman;mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they blackbar her teats. << here she is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318167 1362756;1452224584;assbot;Logged on 06-11-2015 04:50:52; punkman: http://cdn-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/actu/societe/les-instantanes-de-l-ete-798202/les-instantanes-de-l-ete/8440444-1-fre-FR/Les-instantanes-de-l-ete.jpg (the egg lady, nice tits eh) 1362757;1452225103;punkman;so I woke up and my irc monitor was dead, any obvious things to look at when I open it up? 1362758;1452225368;BingoBoingo;!up madhatter_ 1362759;1452225389;BingoBoingo;punkman: Have you tried new thermal grease? 1362760;1452225422;punkman;BingoBoingo: where, up my arse? 1362761;1452225434;BingoBoingo;Much safer than flashing and refilling the vacuum in the cathode ray tube 1362762;1452225441;BingoBoingo;Where else? 1362763;1452225469;BingoBoingo;Conspiracy https://i.imgur.com/3bNozC0.jpg 1362764;1452225470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OezU2U ) 1362765;1452225511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049434 = 2.5706 BTC [+] 1362766;1452225540;punkman;those don't look plus-size 1362767;1452225674;punkman;or do the fatties think "I look just like those Dove girls" 1362768;1452225696;BingoBoingo;The later. Much denial 1362769;1452225712;punkman;for reference http://www.visiblemeasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Dove-Real-Beauty-Campaign.jpg 1362770;1452225713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeAcH2 ) 1362771;1452226270;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0449 << i'm 12 and what is this? 1362772;1452226271;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1S7nY9a ) 1362773;1452226498;punkman;ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now 1362774;1452226674;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309556 << heh 1362775;1452226675;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 00:47:01; mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways' 1362776;1452226785;phf;ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack 1362777;1452226843;ben_vulpes;but but why 1362778;1452226895;ben_vulpes;so this gathering nausea in the pit of my stomach when i read through implement_randomize_stack is perhaps an intuitive clue 1362779;1452226970;punkman;can be removed easily 1362780;1452227052;phf;they randomize all the stacks that are exposed to the network 1362781;1452227090;phf;so in case you get a stack overflow in the exposed code, doing a shellbuffer return becomes mildly trickier 1362782;1452227161;ben_vulpes;why would do people use programming languages that do this? 1362783;1452227173;ben_vulpes;aaa 1362784;1452227266;punkman;I remember reading that gcc might optimize that away too 1362785;1452227420;phf;maybe? gcc does TCO, but the code does foo(); return; rather then return foo(); so who knows.. 1362786;1452228133;punkman;from the comparative music studies department, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5S9cBfh3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjRyxjTaHM 1362787;1452228134;assbot;Wolf Biermann - Die hab' ich satt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1xha ) 1362788;1452228135;assbot;Τους έχω βαρεθεί - Μαρία Δημητριάδη (dmariet) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1vpG ) 1362789;1452228184;punkman;Und sagt mir mal: Wozu ist gut Die ganze Bürokratenbrut? 1362790;1452229472;punkman;https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb 1362791;1452229473;assbot;Paypal froze our funds, then offered us a business loan — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT41wh ) 1362792;1452229538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00048995 = 4.1401 BTC [-] {5} 1362793;1452230331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00049433 = 4.9433 BTC [+] {2} 1362794;1452231159;copypaste;mircea_popescu: do you enjoy argentina? 1362795;1452231169;copypaste;i want another passport 1362796;1452231917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00048974 = 2.4977 BTC [-] {2} 1362797;1452233564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00049433 = 6.2533 BTC [+] {2} 1362798;1452235394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2164 @ 0.00049434 = 1.0698 BTC [+] 1362799;1452244117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2791 @ 0.00049434 = 1.3797 BTC [+] 1362800;1452247537;punkman;https://twitter.com/UNLibrary/status/682550730717290496 heh 1362801;1452249467;adlai;another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/ 1362802;1452249468;assbot;“SPV mining” is the solution, not the problem | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1JywhIi ) 1362803;1452249778;shinohai;daf uq? 1362804;1452249815;shinohai;Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain. 1362805;1452250077;adlai;it's actually not a tweet, there's an entire article following the title 1362806;1452251769;mircea_popescu;copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa. 1362807;1452251796;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the people are idiots on an african level, and on the whole on their own strength on the open market not worth the price of a decent burial. 1362808;1452251811;mircea_popescu;this, from what i hear, should be no change from the fillipines. 1362809;1452251830;copypaste;i want to renounce my passport before the USG goes under because such event, which i think will happen in my lifetime, will make me stateless 1362810;1452251840;copypaste;but you can't renounce your US citizenship before acquiring another one 1362811;1452251856;mircea_popescu;so then it's perfect for you. 1362812;1452251872;copypaste;the USG is already so bankrupt that it stopped adding passport pages, you have to pay them for a whole new passport 1362813;1452251882;copypaste;they also are not issuing passports if they think you owe them money 1362814;1452251900;copypaste;source https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/visa-pages-no-longer-issued.html 1362815;1452251902;assbot;Extra Visa Pages no Longer Issued Effective January 1, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJesXy ) 1362816;1452251922;copypaste;and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/ 1362817;1452251923;assbot;Overdue taxes? You could lose your U.S. passport - Nov. 20, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJeu1o ) 1362818;1452251933;mircea_popescu;iirc that was discussed in the logs 1362819;1452251947;mircea_popescu;been on for a while. (and was predicted a year or two before it happened, also in the log) 1362820;1452252003;copypaste;the thing about the pages is what surprises me... 1362821;1452252023;copypaste;they say that it's to follow "international standards" and to make the passport more "secure" 1362822;1452252033;mircea_popescu;ya well. 1362823;1452252033;copypaste;i fail to see how it increases security at all 1362824;1452252040;mircea_popescu;i'm romanian, i never gave a shit. 1362825;1452252058;copypaste;Romania, now that's a good passport 1362826;1452252077;mircea_popescu;yeah. lulziest case of the hare and the turtle ever. all my life that i can remember romanians thought it's the worst 1362827;1452252086;mircea_popescu;then it turned out... one of the better that exist. 1362828;1452252107;copypaste;the Philippine passport is one of the worst 1362829;1452252125;mircea_popescu;i imagine. 1362830;1452252129;copypaste;you get visa free access to some countries in Africa, its neighbors in Asia (but not any of the actually important ones - like China or Japan), and some south american countries 1362831;1452252131;copypaste;and that's all 1362832;1452252139;mircea_popescu;british is prolly the worst, largest selection of people who hate them 1362833;1452252157;copypaste;eh, i would say that the US passport is by far the worst 1362834;1452252165;copypaste;when people ask which country i am from anad they are strangers, I say Canada 1362835;1452252169;copypaste;simply to avoid any confrontation 1362836;1452252218;mircea_popescu;lol funny thing : while i was in costa rica i was considering going to new zealand. went to british consulate that handled the whole slew of dominions, woman told me i need a visa. was all wtf'd, wrote to the ro exterior minister at the time (young guy from my party) going wtf. the VERY NEXT DAY it was announced the visa requirement was mutually dropped. 1362837;1452252222;copypaste;it was one of the better ones before they made these new rules 1362838;1452252228;mircea_popescu;a week latter the letter arrived, and he was like... bwhahahahaha. 1362839;1452252265;copypaste;haha 1362840;1452252290;copypaste;New Zealand seems nice, but how they treat Kim Dotcom will show their true colors 1362841;1452252299;mircea_popescu;eh it's bullshit. this was before the earthquake. 1362842;1452252301;copypaste;Now Australia on the other hand, fuck that entire continent 1362843;1452252310;mircea_popescu;and before the japan stove incident. 1362844;1452252324;copypaste;hehe 1362845;1452252352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0004915 = 4.0303 BTC [-] {3} 1362846;1452252356;copypaste;have you ever seen "The Terminal", with Tom Hanks? 1362847;1452252369;mircea_popescu;mnop 1362848;1452252392;copypaste;well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year 1362849;1452252408;copypaste;i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under 1362850;1452252445;mircea_popescu;lol prescience. 1362851;1452252452;copypaste;except instead of just letting potentially thousands of people stick around in an airport, they'll just be loaded in a cargo plane and dumped over whatever remains of the midwest :p 1362852;1452252472;copypaste;so, i would like to acquire another citizenship before that happens :D 1362853;1452252485;mircea_popescu;experience shows that it never pays to wait to be shat on by the corporate fiction that supposedly owns you. 1362854;1452252500;mircea_popescu;it behooves one to be part of the group that stabs the thing to death and drinks its blood. 1362855;1452252574;mircea_popescu;much much better to be, if not one of odovacer's men, at least any of the other "barbarian"'s retinue than to hang out with the so-called "count" bracilla at ravenna. 1362856;1452252917;mircea_popescu;in the daily okcupid lulz installment, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/say-shit.png 1362857;1452252917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJfNgZ ) 1362858;1452252929;copypaste;lol 1362859;1452252933;mircea_popescu;kako's humour is infectious! 1362860;1452254293;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362790 << mega-l0l!! 1362861;1452254293;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 05:04:32; punkman: https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb 1362862;1452254324;asciilifeform;'To paraphrase: It may seem weird that were holding collateral on your account and offering you a loan, but that was not a mistake! Youre still eligible. Contact me if interested.' 1362863;1452254357;asciilifeform;coming soon to a nato bank near you!!11 1362864;1452254401;asciilifeform;'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' 1362865;1452254441;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362801 << ahahaha 1362866;1452254441;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 10:37:47; adlai: another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/ 1362867;1452254447;asciilifeform;'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gn Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about SPV Mining...' 1362868;1452254460;asciilifeform;srsly, szabo was there ? 1362869;1452254471;asciilifeform;sad. 1362870;1452254492;asciilifeform;IS WAS sad. 1362871;1452254502;mircea_popescu; 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' << this is how any serious mob works, really. 1362872;1452254509;asciilifeform;no shit 1362873;1452254518;mircea_popescu;can't sell "your" barber shop, but yah you can have a little money to "see you through a rough spot" 1362874;1452254521;mircea_popescu;vig y compris. 1362875;1452254557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i used to like szabo a lot more. but omfg, then i read some of his stuff. 1362876;1452254560;asciilifeform;aha! 1362877;1452254563;mircea_popescu;iirc one piece even in the log. 1362878;1452254578;asciilifeform;i can easily believe that he has descended into... this 1362879;1452254590;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire. 1362880;1452254590;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 11:18:42; copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/ 1362881;1452254629;copypaste;asciilifeform: what in your opinion is the real problem? 1362882;1452254632;*;asciilifeform for example has a passport, fat lot of good it does 1362883;1452254666;asciilifeform;copypaste: same thing as in africa. the poverty, of every kind, that leads to no other port being in any hurry to invite you in 1362884;1452254679;shinohai;https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/685398977924206592 <<< kek 1362885;1452254721;copypaste;https://twitter.com/DTHI_Demitrios/status/685426021521321984 < actually not a bad idea 1362886;1452254779;asciilifeform;copypaste: mega-bureaucracies don't really give much of a fuck whether their public site stays up, they fall down routinely. and at this point are all 'cloudflared' anyway. 1362887;1452254807;copypaste;thus, using the MX record 1362888;1452254811;copypaste;you can't "cloudflare" your email server 1362889;1452254822;copypaste;as far as i know, at least 1362890;1452254835;asciilifeform;these folks don't do much emailing outside of the grounds 1362891;1452254873;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362773 << aslr is not the correct term (it refers to os-level address space randomization) 1362892;1452254873;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 04:14:58; punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now 1362893;1452254893;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362776 << correct. it is a 'mats-style' fudge 1362894;1452254893;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 04:19:45; phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack 1362895;1452254896;asciilifeform;'mitigation'. 1362896;1452254920;asciilifeform;'let's throw broken bottles around everywhere, enemy might trip on one !' 1362897;1452254947;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362806 << srsly? 1362898;1452254947;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 11:16:09; mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa. 1362899;1452254962;asciilifeform;that ~mircea_popescu~ can get one 'for a few grand', i can readily believe 1362900;1452254971;asciilifeform;he can probably get a nuke for a couple grand. 1362901;1452254979;asciilifeform;but can a human ? 1362902;1452254986;copypaste;haha, indeed 1362903;1452255000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record, you're talking to a guy with an actual record of up-and-getting-out 1362904;1452255001;copypaste;the requirement on the books for an Argentine passport is 2 years residency 1362905;1452255008;copypaste;quite a low residency requirement, copared to other countries 1362906;1452255014;mircea_popescu;you should prolly spend more time asking questions than sprouting sententiousness. 1362907;1452255017;asciilifeform;copypaste: yeah that's what i thought 1362908;1452255037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was a question. can ~i~ walk in with a few $k and get it. 1362909;1452255042;mircea_popescu;yes. 1362910;1452255044;asciilifeform;like buying milk. 1362911;1452255050;copypaste;compared to Philippines, where the requirement is 10; unless you get married (Philippines has no divorce, only country other than Vatican City with no divorce laws on the books, or even in Congress) 1362912;1452255055;mircea_popescu;no, not like buying milk. 1362913;1452255057;copypaste;if you're married the requirement is 5 1362914;1452255072;mircea_popescu;copypaste argentina has no abortion. 1362915;1452255078;copypaste;neither does Philippines 1362916;1452255085;copypaste;no abortion or divorce :D 1362917;1452255088;mircea_popescu;fortunately uruguay is right there. 1362918;1452255106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha! you said 'not like buying milk' 1362919;1452255113;asciilifeform;this means peopleskillz, no??11 1362920;1452255123;mircea_popescu;were you fishing for a nail to hang your explanation on ? 1362921;1452255133;mircea_popescu;no dude. it means hiring a lawyer. 1362922;1452255148;asciilifeform;ah ok 1362923;1452255150;mircea_popescu;you don't buy new teeth like buying milk, either. 1362924;1452255153;mircea_popescu;gotta hire a dentist. 1362925;1452255163;copypaste;now this is true 1362926;1452255165;asciilifeform;ah so it is like in usa, but with a couplea zeros shaved off the price 1362927;1452255169;copypaste;in the third world a lawyer can make miracles happen 1362928;1452255174;mircea_popescu;a coupla couples. 1362929;1452255178;asciilifeform;neato 1362930;1452255187;copypaste;lawyers typically know exactly who to bribe, saving you the trouble of finding out yourself 1362931;1452255197;copypaste;(and perhaps bribing the only autist in the country, thereby landing yourself in jail) 1362932;1452255211;mircea_popescu;more or less. in this case it's mostly because you probably don't speak spanish to a level acceptable in court. 1362933;1452255234;copypaste;i come close 1362934;1452255243;mircea_popescu;then you mgiht diy. 1362935;1452255312;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362849 << this did not happen with sov citizens. normally there is some bantustan which is in an immediate hurry to lay claim to the fragments of the old empire 1362936;1452255312;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:48; copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under 1362937;1452255322;asciilifeform;whether the bantustan passport does you any good, is separate question 1362938;1452255332;asciilifeform;but it is actually possible not to end up with one 1362939;1452255340;asciilifeform;i, for instance, never got a ru passport. 1362940;1452255357;copypaste;so you have a soviet passport only ? 1362941;1452255366;asciilifeform;not even. children didn't get passports. 1362942;1452255378;copypaste;so you've never left russia then? 1362943;1452255383;asciilifeform;left. 1362944;1452255387;copypaste;how? 1362945;1452255393;asciilifeform;with parents. 1362946;1452255399;asciilifeform;is how this worked. 1362947;1452255438;copypaste;i see. 1362948;1452255453;copypaste;in USA, you are required to even get passports for your kids 1362949;1452255456;copypaste;even if they are infants 1362950;1452255461;copypaste;otherwise, they cannot come with you 1362951;1452255466;asciilifeform;in usa passport is a travel document 1362952;1452255488;copypaste;sure 1362953;1452255508;asciilifeform;in su - was identifying document that, with some extra verbiage stamped on, doubled as travel passport 1362954;1452255522;copypaste;actually, once i got mine i started using it as an identification document, which would lead to weird looks 1362955;1452255530;copypaste;due to the main ID document in USA being a driver's license 1362956;1452255534;copypaste;but due to my disability, i do not drive 1362957;1452255553;copypaste;you can get a "non drivers driver license" (real name), but the line was so long and i already had a passport 1362958;1452255553;asciilifeform;folks who do not drive in usa typically get issued peculiar non-driving driver's license 1362959;1452255554;asciilifeform;(yes) 1362960;1452255565;asciilifeform;it is stamped 'not valid for driving' or the like 1362961;1452255570;copypaste;yes, i happened to have recieved the passport before the other one 1362962;1452255573;copypaste;so i just never got the other one 1362963;1452255579;copypaste;since the passport sufficed, even at banks 1362964;1452255611;copypaste;i haven't been in the USA since 2014 though 1362965;1452255616;asciilifeform;phun phakt, most folks in usaschwitz have no passport. 1362966;1452255619;asciilifeform;they don't need it. 1362967;1452255623;asciilifeform;(where to go? and why?) 1362968;1452255637;copypaste;well, the world is much larger than the USA 1362969;1452255644;copypaste;to get a job, just to travel, plenty of reasons 1362970;1452255655;asciilifeform;l0l! job?! would ~you~ employ such a person ? 1362971;1452255658;asciilifeform;to do what ? 1362972;1452255662;copypaste;i got mine to meet an online friend i'd had since i was a small child 1362973;1452255688;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines 1362974;1452255697;copypaste;typically, doctors, engineers, and so on 1362975;1452255736;copypaste;no need to hire the lowest common denominator in the US, but there are plenty (well, some) intellectuals perhaps worth hiring 1362976;1452256012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00048974 = 1.5672 BTC [-] {2} 1362977;1452256588;mircea_popescu; they don't need it. << yes but the problem is in their head. 1362978;1452256813;mircea_popescu;!up kristapsk 1362979;1452257528;deedbot-;[Trilema] Let's continue with the okcupid duality. Today, idiot.png and lesbian.png. No, these aren't the same thing. - http://trilema.com/2016/lets-continue-with-the-okcupid-duality-today-idiotpng-and-lesbianpng-no-these-arent-the-same-thing/ 1362980;1452257716;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large << the reason pimps use main bitches is that no thing on god's earth is or ever could be as hard on a cocksucker as another cocksucker just like her. 1362981;1452257716;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O ) 1362982;1452257951;punkman;copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server << half the startups point their mx to gmail 1362983;1452258005;punkman;asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ? << I'm surprised how many szabos have joined the blockchain-tards 1362984;1452258013;mircea_popescu;yup. that's the idea there. 1362985;1452258018;mircea_popescu;all mail must be gmail. 1362986;1452258039;punkman;even Koblitz joined Ethereum 1362987;1452258056;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362766 << they're plus size MODELS. not plus size women. like saying this is a very tall ant. no, it doesn't mean it's a two meter tall ant. 1362988;1452258056;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 03:59:00; punkman: those don't look plus-size 1362989;1452258094;mircea_popescu;anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos. 1362990;1452258100;mircea_popescu;i doubt the notion went away. 1362991;1452258132;mircea_popescu;heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed. 1362992;1452258199;punkman;plus-size to me means so big you have to go to the one special plus-size clothes store, because nobody else has enough fabric to cover your ass. 1362993;1452258223;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362804 << or they could just go back to paypal, which is exactly what that is. 1362994;1452258223;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 10:43:35; shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain. 1362995;1452258258;mircea_popescu;yes, but when i hire women to be women, as opposed to do any actual job, i have strict standards. hence the "over 180 cm tall, exactly 19 bmi, etc" 1362996;1452258263;mircea_popescu;the standards may vary, but rarely. 1362997;1452258352;mircea_popescu;and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. 1362998;1452258386;mircea_popescu;i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available 1362999;1452258399;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ? 1363000;1452258411;mircea_popescu;o look, slimfast. lol. 1363001;1452258953;punkman;mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. << I bet there's a lot more than those 1363002;1452259089;punkman;https://www.unilever.com/brands/?page=7&Category=408118 << 7 pages * 16 brands = 112 1363003;1452259090;assbot;Brands | Unilever global company website ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVj6s ) 1363004;1452259280;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/vAUirGP.jpg <<< Bitcoin lottery xD 1363005;1452259281;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVQpc ) 1363006;1452259811;punkman;http://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/48779 1363007;1452259813;assbot;Declassified documents concerning Tony Blair · Clinton Digital Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeXeYR ) 1363008;1452259880;punkman;shinohai, what was that qr code? 1363009;1452260036;shinohai;probably someone's addy, I didnt scan it\ 1363010;1452262697;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362921 << an /argentine/ lawyer? 1363011;1452262697;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 12:12:13; mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer. 1363012;1452263027;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_butugychag 1363013;1452263031;ben_vulpes;good morning 1363014;1452263043;ascii_butugychag;guten morgen herr vulpes 1363015;1452263054;ben_vulpes;und dich, stas 1363016;1452263074;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362989 << this is an ancient evil. see aol 'keywords' and similar 1363017;1452263074;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:01:34; mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos. 1363018;1452263141;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362974 << l0l, you would hire an american doctor if you had a choice? or engineer ? 1363019;1452263141;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 12:21:37; copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on 1363020;1452263182;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362985 << non-gmail (and non-microshit, etc.) has been more or less exterminated 1363021;1452263182;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:00:18; mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail. 1363022;1452263184;copypaste;i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them 1363023;1452263195;copypaste;so if they had to choose between a filipino doctor, or american doctor, they'd go for the american 1363024;1452263206;ascii_butugychag;(some of the larger megacorps still run own mail, but along more or less same principles as gmail) 1363025;1452263213;copypaste;that's also why many cognoscenti here all studied abroad 1363026;1452263216;copypaste;it's "worth" more 1363027;1452263220;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: this plague is ubiquitous in the 'orc' world 1363028;1452263235;ascii_butugychag;problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes 1363029;1452263241;ascii_butugychag;(as mine did) 1363030;1452263250;copypaste;indeed 1363031;1452263267;copypaste;i'm not saying their beliefs are accurate, but inaccurate beliefs held dearly still affect their actions 1363032;1452263276;ascii_butugychag;actual americans are similar to filiponos but with fewer life skills and less resilient to stressors 1363033;1452263281;ascii_butugychag;*filipinos 1363034;1452263330;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362998 << the ersatz tea is ubiquitous here 1363035;1452263330;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:26; mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available 1363036;1452263337;ascii_butugychag;just barely drinkable 1363037;1452263347;ascii_butugychag;sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea 1363038;1452263384;copypaste;also ascii_butugychag, you moved the goalposts. the CIA and FBI don't use gmail, and that's who we were talking about as far as A records are concerned 1363039;1452263391;copypaste;it's true that most emails are internal, but surely they aren't all 1363040;1452263397;copypaste;for example, FBI agent asking NSA for a record 1363041;1452263404;copypaste;NSA asking FBI if he wants to go to a BBQ 1363042;1452263411;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: it will happen over siprnet or the like 1363043;1452263417;copypaste;i'm sure they'd notice quickly if fbi.gov mail went down 1363044;1452263418;ascii_butugychag;not over ddosnet 1363045;1452263437;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362848 <<< didn't this actually happen too? 1363046;1452263437;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:32; copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year 1363047;1452263448;copypaste;yes davout, based on a true story 1363048;1452263450;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: usg has own 'wan' 1363049;1452263460;ascii_butugychag;that is, iirc, largely carried over dedicated wires 1363050;1452263461;copypaste;ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting 1363051;1452263558;ascii_butugychag;but sure, the clerks also have 'human' email 1363052;1452263562;ascii_butugychag;typically runs on microshit. 1363053;1452263725;ben_vulpes;infuckingvariably. 1363054;1452263746;ben_vulpes;hospitals idem 1363055;1452263790;ben_vulpes;hallmark of tentacle-entites is blue text in html emails. 1363056;1452263795;davout;" Alfred Mehran », est un réfugié iranien qui a vécu dans le terminal 1 de l'aéroport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle du 8 août 1988 jusqu'en août 2006 (soit 18 ans)1, date à laquelle il a été hospitalisé pour une cause inconnue." 1363057;1452263809;davout;https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri <<< the true story 1363058;1452263809;assbot;Mehran Karimi Nasseri — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kSlpcC ) 1363059;1452263832;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362991 << hey, nintendo doesn't expose filesystem either! and nobody seems to complain... 1363060;1452263832;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:02:12; mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed. 1363061;1452263893;ben_vulpes;god bless coredata 1363062;1452263918;ben_vulpes;because i really wanted a shitty wrapper around shitqlite 1363063;1452263986;punkman;fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox. 1363064;1452264464;shinohai;I feel your shipping frustrations punkman, I made an order from a guy on 12/27 he marked my order shipped then told me yesterday he had logistics issues and didn't. 1363065;1452264635;punkman;shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping 1363066;1452264671;shinohai;ikr I paid the extra $12 in BTC for priority too :/ 1363067;1452264726;shinohai;I could have ordered the shit from some seedy Chinese person and already have gotten it here. 1363068;1452264790;davout;punkman: get your fucking pilot's license 1363069;1452264815;davout;(which is an entirely different thing than pilot fucking license mind you) 1363070;1452264822;kakobrekla;well i sent two packs of condoms to thailand about 2 weeks ago, arrived in ~3 days, from eu. 1363071;1452264839;davout;lolwut 1363072;1452264847;shinohai;Where to kakobrekla, phuket ? 1363073;1452264890;kakobrekla;to Chiang mai 1363074;1452264891;punkman;in other shipping mysteries, I ordered some widget from China in August I think, there was a non-working tracking no., 45 days later I ask merchant what's up with it, says they were actually out of stock at time of order, didn't even ship it and they won't be getting any more stock from factory. Couple days ago, I get a notice from post office with that tracking no. 1363075;1452264942;kakobrekla;a friend went there for a few months and they dont have condoms that would fit him there 1363076;1452264947;punkman;lol 1363077;1452264949;davout;lol 1363078;1452264963;punkman;only two packs though? 1363079;1452264979;kakobrekla;two ten packs yeah. 1363080;1452265345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4806 @ 0.00049078 = 2.3587 BTC [+] 1363081;1452265497;jurov;i never actually saw chinese post tracking site working 1363082;1452265580;jurov;at most i get chinese message that yields (via google translator) "currently not available" 1363083;1452265775;punkman;at best you get a date when the thing left china, and it usually shows up on local post office tracking too 1363084;1452265859;mircea_popescu; i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them <<< this happens to also be right. 1363085;1452265872;punkman;also they often ship through other countries like hong-kong, so you might get better results going to one of those 3rd party tracking sites that check many companies at once 1363086;1452265885;copypaste;mircea_popescu: let me qualify that further, americans 1363087;1452265909;mircea_popescu;heh. yeah, vhs tapes. 1363088;1452265918;copypaste;because i'm ill, i go to doctors a lot. it's cheap in the third world, and they write me prescriptions for things that are hard to get in the US. so anyway, i always go see chinese doctors. 1363089;1452265930;copypaste;there are american doctors which see foreigners, and also filipinos who studied in america 1363090;1452265936;copypaste;but i prefer seeing chinese doctors. 1363091;1452265941;jurov;copypaste: if you have hungarian ancestors, you can get their passport, too 1363092;1452265949;copypaste;i have ukranian ancestors 1363093;1452265950;mircea_popescu;chinese the new jew huh 1363094;1452265973;jurov;copypaste: the part that was former "large hungary" counts, too 1363095;1452265988;jurov;hungarians are funny as that 1363096;1452265993;copypaste;oh wow 1363097;1452266003;mircea_popescu;lol. hungarians are what, 60% living abroad by now ? 1363098;1452266010;copypaste;part of hungary is in ukraine 1363099;1452266013;mircea_popescu;copypaste wouldn't advise it tho, highest suicide rate outside of japan. 1363100;1452266030;copypaste;(the old hungary at least) 1363101;1452266048;copypaste;i'll think about it. i bet my mother has proof of her mother's USSR citizenship 1363102;1452266053;copypaste;(ukraine) 1363103;1452266076;copypaste;and if it's in the area of greater hungary, that would be an awesome, free way to get a passport :D 1363104;1452266092;punkman;we don't have foreign doctors here, but people are prejudice against doctors that have foreign medical degrees from Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and others. 1363105;1452266128;jurov;!v ascii_butugychag 1363106;1452266128;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1363107;1452266134;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1363108;1452266138;mircea_popescu;that's ridiculous. romania is way better for medicine than pretty much everything else in that part of the world. 1363109;1452266142;mircea_popescu;france, germany etc y compris. 1363110;1452266154;ascii_butugychag;jurov: afaik you still have to live there for a while, to get ukr passport 1363111;1452266160;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i have yet to meet a greek professional who wasn't a) actually jewish and b) abroad. 1363112;1452266178;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag there's worse ways to pass the time than with the sluts of budapest. 1363113;1452266194;ascii_butugychag;was thinking of .ua 1363114;1452266206;mircea_popescu;why ua ? he's not trying to get ork citizensheep 1363115;1452266217;jurov;ascii_butugychag: i only know it was targeted to hu minorities that never lived in any version of hu 1363116;1452266230;ascii_butugychag;ah i misread 1363117;1452266232;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1363118;1452266238;mircea_popescu; sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea << quite exactly lol! i wonder if this is actually what they were shooting for. 1363119;1452266263;ascii_butugychag;i dare say it was 1363120;1452266272;ascii_butugychag;just like american 'non-fat milk' 1363121;1452266275;copypaste;hmm 1363122;1452266276;mircea_popescu;<copypaste> ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting << eh he's making shit up. usg doesn't have own pot to piss in. 1363123;1452266281;ascii_butugychag;is exactly like what you get when you wash a bottle from normal milk 1363124;1452266283;copypaste;how hard is it to fake being a jew? 1363125;1452266292;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: siprnet et al exist 1363126;1452266293;mircea_popescu;heck, the tanks the us army "deploys" are all rentals. 1363127;1452266296;copypaste;maybe i really am one, i could have a jewish ancestor 1363128;1452266300;copypaste;i could get an israeli passport 1363129;1452266303;copypaste;wouldn't that be fun 1363130;1452266310;copypaste;i should research my family tree 1363131;1452266326;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: runs over, iirc, sprint's infrastructure (earlier, classical at&t) 1363132;1452266358;mircea_popescu;punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D 1363133;1452266361;ascii_butugychag;i would like to live in the parallel universe mircea_popescu is posting from 1363134;1452266367;ascii_butugychag;where american tanks are rentals 1363135;1452266391;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag they get repossessed more often than rent-a-cars! 1363136;1452266432;*;ascii_butugychag recalls the german division which operated wholly sov tanks 1363137;1452266433;mircea_popescu; to Chiang mai <<< doing his part to stop global... warming. 1363138;1452266452;thestringpuller;So rumor has it. Bitpay can't get another round of funding with current leadership. 1363139;1452266470;thestringpuller;Although the VC's won't publicly condemn the leadership. 1363140;1452266475;mircea_popescu;to no-one's surprise that's been following the discussion here. 1363141;1452266509;ascii_butugychag;has mit covered the shortfall yet ? 1363142;1452266516;mircea_popescu;heh. 1363143;1452266519;ascii_butugychag;or will it be stanford this time? princeyaleton? 1363144;1452266543;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the usg works. they ain't got a pot to piss in, and consequently won't be actually coverin gany shortfalls. all they got is a whole lot of pretense based on a whole lot of puffery. 1363145;1452266559;mircea_popescu;so if you're willing to not ask for the shortfall be covered, they're willing to blabla MIT !1 bla bla bla around you. 1363146;1452266563;mircea_popescu;that's as far as that goes. 1363147;1452266570;mircea_popescu;much like the junior high fuck club. 1363148;1452266572;*;ascii_butugychag sadly knows how usg works 1363149;1452266582;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D << probably gonna be worse in the places I'd like to live at next 1363150;1452266586;mircea_popescu;you don't get any cunt, but you do get to hang out with a bunch of obnoxious teens who act as if you did. 1363151;1452266620;ascii_butugychag;usg has, like or not, plenty of money to throw around. i have seen the golden toilets. 1363152;1452266634;ascii_butugychag;not every single clerk is sitting on them, true 1363153;1452266690;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1363154;1452266710;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989302 << blast from teh pasts! 1363155;1452266710;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2015 16:53:36; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him. 1363156;1452266794;ascii_butugychag;i finally realized, though, where mircea_popescu gets his odd notions of usg life 1363157;1452266799;ascii_butugychag;he talks to the chix 1363158;1452266808;mircea_popescu;quite. 1363159;1452266811;ascii_butugychag;who, yes, live in the cube farmz. 1363160;1452266814;mircea_popescu;i fuck their daughters, trophy wives et all. 1363161;1452266816;mircea_popescu;mno. 1363162;1452266851;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz << Funny how Oddworld is the first result when put 'Rupture Farms' into google 1363163;1452266859;ascii_butugychag;'trophy wife' implies brass ? 1363164;1452266860;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974421 since we're doing blastfrompastism 1363165;1452266860;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2015 17:37:34; mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat. 1363166;1452266937;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag well... yeah, it does. 1363167;1452267072;thestringpuller;;;google rupture farms 1363168;1452267074;gribble;Rupture Farms - Facebook: ; Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - Rupture Farms Speed Run Walkthrough ...: ; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: 1363169;1452267085;thestringpuller;google you suck 1363170;1452267131;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: no this is correct 1363171;1452267139;ascii_butugychag;it is from that piece 1363172;1452267167;ascii_butugychag;'they say it's the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld....' 1363173;1452267388;ascii_butugychag;in other nyooz, 'It looks like lxr.linux.no has closed without notice some time during the first half of 2014. Whether there is a backup of LXRng is unknown.' 1363174;1452267440;mircea_popescu;heh 1363175;1452268090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2865 @ 0.00049161 = 1.4085 BTC [+] {2} 1363176;1452268826;punkman;https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=lxrng plenty of em 1363177;1452268827;assbot;Search · lxrng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1n83XT9 ) 1363178;1452268861;deedbot-;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/ 1363179;1452268903;ben_vulpes;here's one for pete to rip apart: http://www.byclintedwards.com/2016/01/my-son-wants-to-make-money-my-daughter-wants-to-marry-a-rich-prince-heres-the-problem-2.html/ 1363180;1452268907;assbot;My son wants to make money. My daughter wants to marry a rich prince. Here’s the problem. | No Idea What I'm Doing: A Daddy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1n84dl4 ) 1363181;1452270542;deedbot-;[Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/ 1363182;1452270550;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << Unilever collects brands once owned by dying businesses for the supermarket shelf space. 1363183;1452270550;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ? 1363184;1452270634;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah a sort of iab for fmcg, i know. 1363185;1452270684;BingoBoingo;It's just amazing the way the typical supermarket makes more money selling shelf space than it does selling... products. 1363186;1452270684;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1363187;1452270708;BingoBoingo;Because who wants to be a shopkeep when you can be a landlord 1363188;1452270738;mircea_popescu;kinda how the world works. typical strip club makes more money selling titshelf space than it does selling booze 1363189;1452270739;mircea_popescu;etc. 1363190;1452270745;thestringpuller;https://github.com/ZoomT/bitcoin/commit/a87d5ab2c703c524428197df53607c2235c417f3#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR3101 << so if the block is empty, what's the point? miners can just mine empty transactions pushing all other data to another data structure without breaking anything? 1363191;1452270806;mircea_popescu;the march of "civilisation". replace things with the fetish of things, items with tokens "representing" items and so on. 1363192;1452270815;mircea_popescu;the road to perdition is paved with ever increased abstractions. 1363193;1452271102;mircea_popescu;;;ud bsw 1363194;1452271103;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bsw | Saw a BSW walking downtown but didn't stop, thought LE was nearby. ... BSW. Bitch Slut Whore; Someone who is annoying in many different ways; Nickname. 1363195;1452271145;thestringpuller;Hmmm. So node would broadcast tx and would never see it confirm...that's broken behavior imo. 1363196;1452271346;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << In southern IL UPS is the worst. Mega UPS hubs in Chicago means packages routinely bounce between CAHS and World Port before ending up in Danville before coming anywhere near St Louis. 1363197;1452271346;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox. 1363198;1452271742;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363181 <<< ooooh the plot thickens! 1363199;1452271742;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 16:29:02; deedbot-: [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/ 1363200;1452271754;mircea_popescu;heh. 1363201;1452271782;mircea_popescu;http://91.218.246.33/ for the record :D 1363202;1452271783;assbot;Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8cy8n ) 1363203;1452271820;adlai;thestringpuller:i'd rather have miners publishing empty blocks instead of confirming nickle-fee TXs, than have them blindly hand over what little power they do have to some random plutocracy 1363204;1452271831;shinohai;Might this grow into a protracted battle? 1363205;1452271846;mircea_popescu;i really don't see how. 1363206;1452271900;mircea_popescu;afaik a registrar has the authority to do exactly nothing. that said, i suppose they may try to steal the domain. not like similar stuff hasn't happened in the past (anyone recall the sex.com saga ?) 1363207;1452272054;BingoBoingo;In other news revamped my desk's noise generators. Instead of ~150 CFM of external fan, ~11 CFM is now producing adequate noise to cool machine. 1363208;1452272092;mircea_popescu;lol adequate noise to coll machine. 1363209;1452272167;BingoBoingo;Turns out better thermal grease actually does make a big difference 1363210;1452272225;mircea_popescu;it does. 1363211;1452272362;thestringpuller;adlai: i'd rather not have to choose between multiple bowls of shit for dinner. 1363212;1452272392;BingoBoingo;Couldn't use the stuff with silver because surface mounted stuff on chip not covered by metal cap. Still about 10C cooler than yesterday. 1363213;1452272466;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1363214;1452272498;ascii_butugychag;some lulz re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1362006 : 1363215;1452272498;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2016 01:38:57; mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes. 1363216;1452272508;ascii_butugychag;https://trac.macports.org/ticket/49149 1363217;1452272510;assbot;#49149 (Current install of qt4-mac 4.8.7_2 fails to install qmake) – MacPorts ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8dREc ) 1363218;1452272529;kakobrekla;some if not most silver thermal pastes dont actually conduct electricity 1363219;1452272535;ascii_butugychag;'It does install qmake, just not where it was installed before. ..... This change was made to allow parallel install of qt4 and qt5 (and, possible, other qt# variations). If you're having issues with other ports that depend on qt4-mac, please open a ticket for each and/or list them here & we will work hard to get them fixed promptly. 1363220;1452272537;mircea_popescu;^ 1363221;1452272547;ascii_butugychag;'... We knew this change would break other ports, but given that there are some 100 ports that depend on qt4-mac, we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding.' 1363222;1452272549;mircea_popescu;i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything 1363223;1452272561;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what do you suppose a resistor is made of ? 1363224;1452272569;mircea_popescu;ceramics ? 1363225;1452272587;ascii_butugychag;take the paste, take ohmmeter, see 1363226;1452272596;ascii_butugychag;doesn't so much matter that it is a paste. 1363227;1452272622;mircea_popescu;by this theory a good way to make a window is by mixing diamonds in the concrete. 1363228;1452272712;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: if you're looking for something to do with those old mac laptops, openbsd 5.8 runs like a dream on 'em 1363229;1452272736;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: this is not an old laptop 1363230;1452272741;ascii_butugychag;this is butugychag laptop. 1363231;1452272777;mircea_popescu;bluish hue ? 1363232;1452272784;ascii_butugychag;and if your 'runs like a dream' doesn't include motherfucking suspend mode, i'm not interested 1363233;1452272846;kakobrekla;what ascii is saying, take water and measure conductivity while gradually adding salts, but silver pastes are [mostly] safe in this user case 1363234;1452272853;kakobrekla;distilled water that is. 1363235;1452272876;mircea_popescu;and what if i take distilled water and add silver shavings ? 1363236;1452272916;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: i'll check in on zzz and ZZZ, ascii_butugychag 1363237;1452272922;kakobrekla;they will sink :) 1363238;1452272933;mircea_popescu;" we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding." << what the fuck are we understanding ? that the kids don't belong anywhere near a computer, off to the farm ? 1363239;1452272945;ascii_butugychag;zzz? 1363240;1452272954;adlai;thestringpuller: "you eat [bowls] of shit for [dinner]?" 1363241;1452272967;ben_vulpes;bsd suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk iiuc 1363242;1452272996;linton_s_dawson;oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8 1363243;1452272998;assbot;oleganza comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8fbqE ) 1363244;1452272998;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag incidentally does your desktop do "suspend mode" ? if not why not ? 1363245;1452273012;mircea_popescu;linton_s_dawson funny that all the poorfags are so preoccupied with THIS nowadays, huh. 1363246;1452273014;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: desktop doesn't go in motherfucking briefcase 1363247;1452273017;ben_vulpes;also, this machine is not suited to be a portable anymore. 1363248;1452273032;*;adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" 1363249;1452273037;ben_vulpes;aged, delicate, valuable. should be treated as such. 1363250;1452273049;*;ben_vulpes will be acquiring more vintage hardware in this vein 1363251;1452273052;adlai;(it deals with wtf "hard" and "soft" forking means, which most derps seem to assume they understand) 1363252;1452273071;ascii_butugychag;and if the windows don't go back to their places when different sets of monitors are unplugged and re-plugged, also not interested 1363253;1452273089;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: sounds like a problem for your window manager 1363254;1452273101;ben_vulpes;x11 wms do this better than os x does. 1363255;1452273108;ascii_butugychag;and i'm not interested in spending ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING SIX MONTHS fighting the graphics card driver 1363256;1452273122;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: on WHICH portable gpu ? 1363257;1452273132;ascii_butugychag;does x11 run worth SHIT 1363258;1452273141;ben_vulpes;i doubt it's leveraging the gpu at all 1363259;1452273171;ben_vulpes;listen, i just want a machine that's not running os x with the hardware quality build of the golden-era macintosh laptops. 1363260;1452273194;ben_vulpes;if that means working in terminals or not using any chrome in x11, so be it. 1363261;1452273195;ascii_butugychag;keep in mind, if there aren't at least 2880 pixels horizontally, i'm not interested. 1363262;1452273205;ascii_butugychag;and i can't maths in a terminal. 1363263;1452273232;mircea_popescu;i can maths in my sleep! 1363264;1452273264;BingoBoingo; i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything << Apparently with silver colloid a concern is possibility of becoming capacitive after cooking long enough. Silver is always a special case because grand chamption conductor 1363265;1452273267;ascii_butugychag;go generate 10,000 node flow graph in your sleep, thx 1363266;1452273276;mircea_popescu;i suppose. 1363267;1452273297;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag that's not math that's kandinsky. 1363268;1452273300;ben_vulpes;anyways, your penchant for finding what is wrong with anything aside, openbsd happily supplants os x on mac hardware. for those willing to endure some pain to get away from the shitgnomes, and who have not been obsessively tending a gentoo installation since 1999. 1363269;1452273310;ascii_butugychag;'some pain' 1363270;1452273324;ascii_butugychag;as in, NOTHING which i actually ~need~ on the job, works 1363271;1452273324;ben_vulpes;life is suffering. 1363272;1452273329;ascii_butugychag;but that's ok, broomstick, aha? 1363273;1452273340;ben_vulpes;either under the reign of steve or others. 1363274;1452273347;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo but you dont smear it over the whole cpu do you ? an also you can just tape over any elect conducting parts, no? 1363275;1452273349;ben_vulpes;this is not a machine for $work 1363276;1452273374;ascii_butugychag;i get paid to make xyz happen. and the budget makes provisions for shooting, say, up to six rabid weasels. BUT NOT 6,666,666. 1363277;1452273458;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone can conceive of any reason NOT to have an apple-microsoft merger ? 1363278;1452273477;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: same reason today as in 1997 1363279;1452273484;ascii_butugychag;ceremonial antitrust 1363280;1452273488;ascii_butugychag;(ditto intel & amd) 1363281;1452273501;ascii_butugychag;also each relies on the good-cop/bad-cop symbiosis 1363282;1452273502;mircea_popescu;i bet you i could justify 100mn in bonuses for myself + 1-2bn in consulting fees for everyone involved doing a hp-compaq deal out of these two 1363283;1452273531;mircea_popescu;then some dumb broad could preside over it to get all the social media femitards hot and bothered 1363284;1452273539;mircea_popescu;and then... welll... ibm is still arouind, right ? 1363285;1452273545;ascii_butugychag;would you also try to merge... the products ? 1363286;1452273548;ascii_butugychag;because wtf 1363287;1452273552;mircea_popescu;what products ? 1363288;1452273560;mircea_popescu;ms always wanted a phone, apple always wanted an os. 1363289;1452273563;mircea_popescu;it's automerged. 1363290;1452273566;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: I did the make a dot and let the heatsink smash it into place thing. There is a tape shim that goes over rest of CPU already, but old paste found its way under there before I removed it. 1363291;1452273593;ascii_butugychag;'apple always wanted an os' -- is mircea_popescu posting from 1995 ? 1363292;1452273599;ascii_butugychag;dafuq 1363293;1452273602;mircea_popescu;eh spare me. they don't have an os. 1363294;1452273618;mircea_popescu;they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style. 1363295;1452273648;adlai;mircea_popescu: "illusion of choice" aka pretty much the only talent that .il still encourages youngsters to hone... salesmanship 1363296;1452273669;mircea_popescu;pfff. nobody actively makes that choice anymore. it's like encouraging the choice of stick vs nonstick driving. 1363297;1452273670;mircea_popescu;forget it. 1363298;1452273705;mircea_popescu;the people who run "whatever i just want to" and the people who "fuck you, drop dead" are the only remaining division, and in this context the two staying unmerged is nonsensical. 1363299;1452273714;*;adlai knows at least one person who graduated from not-choosing to linux, and that's one-too-many for moloch 1363300;1452273721;BingoBoingo;* adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" << Make a blog point this out. If ben_vulpes can blog so can you. 1363301;1452273776;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he's still recovering from the castrating influence of bad parenting, doesn't quite feel at ease rubbing loser's nose in their own shit. 1363302;1452273777;adlai;the trouble with a blog is that it rapidly fills up with your own bullshit. people get so sick of my bullshit at ~100x dilution, in here; imagine how bad it'd get in my own garden 1363303;1452273798;mircea_popescu;for all you know chicks will read it and fill your inbox with written tits. 1363304;1452273802;mircea_popescu;happened to me. 1363305;1452273812;BingoBoingo;adlai: But shitting in your own garden is actually beneficial. The plants like it. 1363306;1452273882;BingoBoingo;adlai: Anyways wouldn't writing a simple CL blogotron for your own use be a welcome sanity break from the scalplsd 1363307;1452273928;adlai;in other phamily-related news, my lispm arbitrage has failed, due to usg-sponsor eagerness to sponsor as much as possible... but therein lies the arb, and anybody who does sponsor usg (or have family who do) is welcome and encouraged to pursue this further 1363308;1452273964;adlai;in case the signal was too noisy right there: buying a working lisp machine, and donating it to a museum (of which there are several in the DC area), will get you a nice tax break 1363309;1452273996;adlai;ofc you (or the other end of your arbitrage) need to already be paying usg taxes, but there are a bunch of people who do 1363310;1452274010;mircea_popescu;kinda how all museums were built. 1363311;1452274047;kakobrekla;i dont really see the point in the 'working' part 1363312;1452274064;kakobrekla;it not like they will be turning it on and it will stop working over time with noone to fix it around 1363313;1452274077;adlai;BingoBoingo: cl blogotrons exist, these days my blog-time is spent 'auditing' coleslaw vs hyde. scalpl, otoh, is pretty much one of a kind; cf ascii_butugychag on professional vs plebescite tooling... 1363314;1452274083;mircea_popescu;he has a point. 1363315;1452274102;adlai;mircea_popescu lacks an unambiguous antecedent 1363316;1452274126;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla 1363317;1452274162;ascii_butugychag;adlai: this is a sad joke, the machine's value is more or less ENTIRELY in the fact that it WORKS 1363318;1452274169;adlai;so break it on the way over, i don't care! but all else aside, it's more educational to the budding usg-arsonist if they can play with a working doodad 1363319;1452274176;ascii_butugychag;non-working but identically-appearing boxes are much cheaper 1363320;1452274179;ascii_butugychag;and more common. 1363321;1452274183;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag from his pov, the value of the machine is entirely in "what you paidf for it" 1363322;1452274184;adlai;... and what ascii_butugychag just said. 1363323;1452274191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00048974 = 6.0238 BTC [-] 1363324;1452274210;ascii_butugychag;my point is that museum can get it considerably cheaper. 1363325;1452274215;adlai;mircea_popescu: you do need to get the museum to agree that your donation was worth anything 1363326;1452274225;ascii_butugychag;and 'what i paid for it' is almost NOTHING 1363327;1452274234;ascii_butugychag;so fuck that. 1363328;1452274261;*;adlai failed his arbitrage on this basis - usg-sponsor doesn't want to engage museum(s) in negotiation, but maybe $alertLurker does 1363329;1452274270;mircea_popescu;adlai notrly. as long as they take it, it's not their job to value it for fiscality. 1363330;1452274315;adlai;you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation 1363331;1452274325;adlai;you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation 1363332;1452274331;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1363333;1452274365;ascii_butugychag;adlai is correct 1363334;1452274428;*;adlai is also drunk, late for dinner, overleveraged on hopium, etc etc... bbl 1363335;1452274466;adlai;but please, this is applicable to ANY USG TAXPAYER in the audience. 3btc = nice tax break! 1363336;1452274487;adlai;all you need is somebody to drive the thing to a museum and negotiate a little 1363337;1452274498;adlai;(not necessarily in that order) 1363338;1452274510;mircea_popescu;the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. 1363339;1452274548;BingoBoingo; the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. << Actually in USia receipts are given by museums/charities for donations 1363340;1452274561;mircea_popescu;yes. on the basis of the provenance documents. 1363341;1452274583;mircea_popescu;"this vase so and so was donated to us by x who bought it at an auction held by sootheby's valuying it at 4mn". 1363342;1452274587;BingoBoingo;With discrepancy between seller and charity receipts grounds for IRSape 1363343;1452274642;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu is correct. otherwise you could set up faux 'museum' and 'donate' junk 'worth' millions. 1363344;1452274677;ascii_butugychag;and just about any serious deviation from your social stature in the spirit of 'peasant doesn't get to own a rembrandt, wtf' will attract auditors very, very quickly in usa. 1363345;1452274698;ascii_butugychag;usg knows very well who has any business writing off serious sums and who does not. 1363346;1452274828;*;adlai hopes that at least one other lurker [knows somebody who] will blink more than once at a 3btc tax deduction 1363347;1452274862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00048974 = 2.1793 BTC [-] 1363348;1452274868;mircea_popescu;adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something. 1363349;1452274873;mircea_popescu;the death of the middle, eh. 1363350;1452274894;adlai;the beautiful thing about the btcfiat market is that it means different things for different people 1363351;1452274924;*;adlai has paid well over current market price for btc... what if those are the btc that ascii would've got? 1363352;1452274944;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even going to pester alf about making another one for 2016 expiry. truth be told i'm rather pleasantly impressed with how s.nsa work is coming along of late. 1363353;1452275004;*;adlai has yet to read latest statement; also, yet to leave pub for dinner date; also, yet to order bill, due to israeli ineptitude at peripheral vision/hearing... 1363354;1452275777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00048914 = 21.2776 BTC [-] {6} 1363355;1452276527;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1363356;1452276533;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.42, vol: 11668.75813234 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.926, vol: 5929.14361 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.21, vol: 35551.82749648 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.084204, vol: 75315.69070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 137.1533411 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.41875, vol: 61.48157177 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1363357;1452276541;BingoBoingo;;;more 1363358;1452276541;gribble;449.844245608 1363359;1452277048;phf;i've noticed that arab lipton yellow label is much better then lipton you get at a general store in u.s. i've made turkish tea for myself with arab lipton in a pinch, but twice i was in a situation where i was brewing tea for random people, so i bought drug store lipton and no matter what i tried doing with it, it just was not drinkable. 1363360;1452277419;BingoBoingo;That sign https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYNxPROWEAEbZIm.jpg 1363361;1452277420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXyiZu ) 1363362;1452277429;punkman;I buy a couple bags of loose leaf once a year and forget about it 1363363;1452278105;phf;i go through 3-4 kg of tea a year 1363364;1452278339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049048 = 1.5695 BTC [+] 1363365;1452279131;mircea_popescu;samovar and all ? 1363366;1452279185;mircea_popescu;i myself am the absolute worst : i rarely drink tea, but i only drink good tea. makes it practically impossible to drink my own. so, i usually tea per the charity of friends. 1363367;1452279355;phf;i have a wood samovar, but i only use it on camping trings. no, i use iranian method, put a porcelain teapot on top of the kettle 1363368;1452279361;phf;*trips 1363369;1452279420;phf;http://www.fengshuidana.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/securedownload_insert.jpg 1363370;1452279422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLkXya ) 1363371;1452279554;mircea_popescu;o.O 1363372;1452279572;mircea_popescu;so basically you have... a half specified, unstable implementation of a samovar\ 1363373;1452279576;mircea_popescu;they can't be that expensive ? 1363374;1452279606;mircea_popescu;i mean i can't justify paying a few grand for one on the grounds of the two cups a year i drink, but you're paying more for the tea as it is. 1363375;1452279609;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves? 1363376;1452279616;phf;it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result 1363377;1452279641;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one. 1363378;1452279695;thestringpuller;i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?" 1363379;1452279729;mircea_popescu;http://www.ebay.com/bhp/samovar << actually apparently you can get one for almost nothing 1363380;1452279731;assbot;Samovar: Collectibles | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLlyQp ) 1363381;1452279740;mircea_popescu;"Russian Soviet SAMOVAR 3L there are violations of nickel hull see photos. A fantastic collectors item! Regards !!" 1363382;1452279752;mircea_popescu;who knew russkis were such fans of violations. 1363383;1452279806;phf;well wood samovars are out for home use, electric ones i think are mostly gimmicks, i mean i might as well have a trained bear at home 1363384;1452279853;mircea_popescu;afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered 1363385;1452279953;phf;hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea 1363386;1452280006;phf;so fully depends on how smokeless that charcoal actually is, and those that i saw used for grilling tend to produce a nasty chemical miasma 1363387;1452280053;mircea_popescu;of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar. 1363388;1452280078;mircea_popescu;phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ? 1363389;1452280130;mircea_popescu;in other news, "Sexy women dress wholesale, customize fashion lady dress FOB Price: US $15 - 25 / Piece Port: HUANG PU PORT Min. Order: 300 Piece/Pieces" 1363390;1452280136;phf;i'm not surprised that that's a thing, but that sounds awesome 1363391;1452280137;thestringpuller;oh god mircea_popescu is making me hungry 1363392;1452280148;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up. 1363393;1452280174;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller can't even decide if texas or mass is the capital of good bbq. 1363394;1452280180;mircea_popescu;i can't even decide, i mean. 1363395;1452280233;mircea_popescu;but during your us visit i definitely recommend seeing a) a renaissance faire if one's into easy fatties ; b) a bbq-off competition if one's into delicious fats. 1363396;1452280243;mircea_popescu;can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points! 1363397;1452280558;thestringpuller;i'm getting fat as is. 1363398;1452280586;thestringpuller;gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines. 1363399;1452280708;phf;my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer 1363400;1452280714;mircea_popescu;and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light! 1363401;1452280729;mircea_popescu;phf or their gfs. 1363402;1452280771;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men? 1363403;1452280782;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. 1363404;1452280785;phf;it's an interesting idea, but the kind of stuff their girlfriends eat, i prefer cow milk 1363405;1452280791;mircea_popescu;link ? 1363406;1452280807;mircea_popescu;phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent! 1363407;1452280898;mircea_popescu;;;ud 420 1363408;1452280899;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420 | the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who ... 1363409;1452280916;mircea_popescu;this is how we know i'm old. 1363410;1452281128;thestringpuller;i hang out with people older than you on the reg 1363411;1452281141;mircea_popescu;who know what 420 is ? 1363412;1452281166;thestringpuller;yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's 1363413;1452281174;phf;i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being 1363414;1452281178;thestringpuller;the generation X kids all growed-up 1363415;1452281186;mircea_popescu;hm. okthen! 1363416;1452281199;thestringpuller;young people suck 1363417;1452281206;mircea_popescu;fortunately. 1363418;1452281216;thestringpuller;i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore 1363419;1452281243;thestringpuller;19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11" 1363420;1452281277;thestringpuller;"Maybe you should pick up a book?" "That's not required!!!1111 My opinions matter without education!" 1363421;1452281342;mircea_popescu;let's get back to the sucking part. 1363422;1452281523;thestringpuller;well we know how they suck, i guess now why do they suck? 1363423;1452281569;phf;i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it. 1363424;1452281583;mircea_popescu;anything good on the list ? 1363425;1452281620;phf;that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something 1363426;1452281631;thestringpuller;da iPhone was invented! 1363427;1452281633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12774 @ 0.0004912 = 6.2746 BTC [+] {2} 1363428;1452281635;mircea_popescu;virgin 15 yo ? 1363429;1452281659;phf;that's a safe bet 1363430;1452281668;mircea_popescu;jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around. 1363431;1452281674;mircea_popescu;in a coupla more years. 1363432;1452281783;thestringpuller;reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..." 1363433;1452281852;phf;i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics 1363434;1452281890;mircea_popescu;the wot is taking over all teh things! 1363435;1452281920;thestringpuller;Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world. 1363436;1452282182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00049434 = 2.3234 BTC [+] 1363437;1452282197;phf;i'm saying it's decidedly not burns, but event planner organized concerts, that have burn like activities also planned. morning yoga, games, camps all done by professionals. but "like you stay in a tent, and it's like nature" hence roughing it 1363438;1452282271;phf;more kazantip, then afrikaburn 1363439;1452282372;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping. 1363440;1452282529;phf;can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years" 1363441;1452282652;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated" 1363442;1452282736;phf;very true 1363443;1452282809;thestringpuller;phf: OMG. hit the nail on the head. those are some of the interesting camps tho 1363444;1452282819;thestringpuller;it's like they have a mini house in the form of tents... 1363445;1452282832;thestringpuller;full kitchen. a table. a pantry. 1363446;1452282848;*;mircea_popescu doesn't much care for camper vans because cramped 1363447;1452282890;thestringpuller;i have to admit, i like having a grill when camping. 1363448;1452282909;thestringpuller;save dehydrated food for hiking. 1363449;1452282972;punkman;just need skewers or wire panel 1363450;1452283219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00049048 = 2.526 BTC [-] {2} 1363451;1452283346;phf;i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement 1363452;1452283508;funkenstein_;greeting y'all 1363453;1452283510;funkenstein_;i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping 1363454;1452283575;mats;lol 1363455;1452283585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00049434 = 6.9949 BTC [+] 1363456;1452283792;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D 1363457;1452283982;phf;goes back to that thread about fucking and math 1363458;1452284025;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu, i don't follow bayesian approach sorry 1363459;1452284040;funkenstein_;but wondering if you have recommendation for me on should I read mircea eliade 1363460;1452284053;mircea_popescu;sure, why not. 1363461;1452284125;funkenstein_;cool, I will check it out thanks :) 1363462;1452284262;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG 1363463;1452284263;assbot;fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4XsY ) 1363464;1452284265;assbot;dpaste: 3X9GKFG ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4Zkx ) 1363465;1452284292;mircea_popescu;by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian. 1363466;1452284295;phf;eliade's "yoga immortality and freedom" is still best exposition 1363467;1452284322;mircea_popescu;it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid". 1363468;1452284345;mircea_popescu;it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way. 1363469;1452284358;phf;!up Chesterly 1363470;1452284366;mircea_popescu;he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation. 1363471;1452284376;mircea_popescu;in clarifying this error, for instgance, eliade would be very useful. 1363472;1452284390;Chesterly;okcupid is lol for sluts 1363473;1452284394;Chesterly;get on tinder 1363474;1452284399;Chesterly;or bumble 1363475;1452284547;Chesterly;mirc, are you in ottawa, canada? 1363476;1452284600;ben_vulpes;Chesterly: do you do any research before spouting off in general? 1363477;1452284648;Chesterly;yes. this was my research: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard.....fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 1363478;1452284687;Chesterly;in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc. 1363479;1452285238;phf;huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point 1363480;1452285373;mircea_popescu;Chesterly no, buenos aires. 1363481;1452285387;mircea_popescu;also 1363482;1452285389;mircea_popescu;!s okcupidslut 1363483;1452285391;assbot;12 results for 'okcupidslut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=okcupidslut 1363484;1452285615;mircea_popescu;but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/ 1363485;1452285989;phf;i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience 1363486;1452286159;mircea_popescu;yeh, i figured. 1363487;1452286191;mircea_popescu;not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something. 1363488;1452286208;mircea_popescu;but it's quite coincidental. 1363489;1452286235;mircea_popescu;!rated funkenstein_ 1363490;1452286235;assbot;You rated user funkenstein_ on 15-Mar-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood. 1363491;1452286260;mircea_popescu;!rate funkenstein_ 2 dwarf banker and not the antichrist. 1363492;1452286260;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3e626c77d8bc9993 1363493;1452286281;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.funkenstein_.2:d7f84b0babafa10cfa3800effcc01ff0257ec4548ac1dee4df8fe7e8c2985c79 1363494;1452286282;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: dwarf banker and not the antichrist. 1363495;1452287101;phf;hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course 1363496;1452287102;phf;you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc. 1363497;1452288404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00049434 = 7.3657 BTC [+] 1363498;1452289253;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls 1363499;1452290707;mircea_popescu;phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting". 1363500;1452290732;mircea_popescu;lemme see if i can do it in math terms. 1363501;1452290766;mircea_popescu;"bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous. 1363502;1452290775;mircea_popescu;truly, this simplifies "math" quite a heck of a lot. 1363503;1452290788;mircea_popescu;continuous* 1363504;1452290801;mircea_popescu;basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything 1363505;1452290810;mircea_popescu;and even if it didn't work, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW 1363506;1452290849;mircea_popescu;note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too. 1363507;1452293005;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1363508;1452293012;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.45, vol: 11453.79682566 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.882, vol: 6140.68229 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.51, vol: 34633.75048508 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 459.12358, vol: 76205.89970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.22, vol: 111.94217655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 459.942499989, vol: 59.1356488 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1363509;1452293015;BingoBoingo;;;more 1363510;1452293016;gribble;456.979285411 1363511;1452293034;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-december-2015-statement/ 1363512;1452293489;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362694 << getting there 1363513;1452293489;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 01:14:33; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets? 1363514;1452293510;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362686 << also... getting there 1363515;1452293510;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 01:08:57; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing? 1363516;1452293540;pete_dushenski;wait, kako's a known horse-eater ? 1363517;1452293605;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt 1363518;1452293605;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 23:54:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~ 1363519;1452293606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLc49 ) 1363520;1452293650;pete_dushenski;basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter" 1363521;1452293658;pete_dushenski;on debian 7 ^^ 1363522;1452293728;pete_dushenski;dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck 1363523;1452293795;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question 1363524;1452293795;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind. 1363525;1452293800;kakobrekla;what about horse? 1363526;1452293811;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362618 1363527;1452293811;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 00:24:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111 1363528;1452293829;BingoBoingo;"Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. " 1363529;1452293853;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Horse is delicious 1363530;1452293867;pete_dushenski;i don't doubt it 1363531;1452293962;BingoBoingo;Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the As. So you dont even have that anymore, 1363532;1452293978;BingoBoingo;from https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/06/new-book-reveals-how-elite-phd-admissions-committees-review-candidates?utm_source=slate&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=partner 1363533;1452293981;assbot;New book reveals how elite Ph.D. admissions committees review candidates | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLI20 ) 1363534;1452294050;kakobrekla;dat girl, wife material. 1363535;1452294664;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little *boom* when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one. 1363536;1452294664;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic) 1363537;1452294709;pete_dushenski;http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture4.jpg 1363538;1452294711;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzejXh ) 1363539;1452294726;pete_dushenski;http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture7.jpg 1363540;1452294727;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rzeq5a ) 1363541;1452294776;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362742 << los alamos eh. nifty. 1363542;1452294776;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 03:08:45; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq. 1363543;1452294781;kakobrekla;oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months. 1363544;1452294844;kakobrekla;locally grown, straight from the farmer. not expencive either, 8 euros per kilo. 1363545;1452294951;pete_dushenski;the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal 1363546;1452294985;mircea_popescu;yeah not bad. 1363547;1452294990;kakobrekla;7 euro for goat. 1363548;1452295021;kakobrekla;but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. 1363549;1452295040;mircea_popescu;primo salmon is ~25 bucks here, 15ish or so for steak 1363550;1452295070;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362879 << heh. you're right, it's 1-200 mile range electric cars keeping you fenced in. can't even drive off to phreedom nao. 1363551;1452295070;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire. 1363552;1452295101;pete_dushenski;have to stop overnight in every. single. town. 1363553;1452295163;pete_dushenski;imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car. 1363554;1452295186;pete_dushenski;s/he/they'd 1363555;1452295197;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: very reasonable prices 1363556;1452295209;mircea_popescu;anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ? 1363557;1452295229;pete_dushenski;kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here 1363558;1452295250;pete_dushenski;paul blart ? 1363559;1452295321;mircea_popescu;nah cow and chicken character 1363560;1452295332;kakobrekla;incidentally i drank goat kefir yesterday - it tastes like licking goat balls 1363561;1452295342;mircea_popescu;now hiow wouyld you know that. 1363562;1452295350;davout;exactly what i was wondering 1363563;1452295352;kakobrekla;educated guess 1363564;1452295369;davout;how does it compare to horse testicles? 1363565;1452295375;mircea_popescu;"rounder" 1363566;1452295387;davout;"need to bend lower to reach" 1363567;1452295407;kakobrekla;anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good. 1363568;1452295504;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/76534b67e50e0f4dfad1aeb0496c23661e6a60c47e9b20ec0b775eb69d677205_large << that one 1363569;1452295572;mircea_popescu;yes! 1363570;1452295593;kakobrekla;davout i see bash is still stuck at november ? :) 1363571;1452295616;davout;kakobrekla: yeah, haven't gotten to it yet 1363572;1452295642;kakobrekla;no worries, just returning the complaint. 1363573;1452295724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00049046 = 3.4823 BTC [-] {2} 1363574;1452295762;mircea_popescu;hahahaha 1363575;1452295921;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << it's for "people" who "love food" 1363576;1452295921;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ? 1363577;1452295949;pete_dushenski;ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around 1363578;1452295960;pete_dushenski;also has 'heart logo' 1363579;1452295964;mircea_popescu;i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing. 1363580;1452295972;davout;kakobrekla: what are you? my wife? 1363581;1452295975;mircea_popescu;for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously 1363582;1452295978;mircea_popescu;and when she's done... 1363583;1452295983;mircea_popescu;"i can't believe it's not butter!" 1363584;1452295994;pete_dushenski;i can't believe i'm not butthurt ? 1363585;1452295995;mircea_popescu;davout how is the fanny ? 1363586;1452296017;davout;pretty exhausted by kid #2 1363587;1452296036;mircea_popescu;did she get a horse ? 1363588;1452296054;davout;hmm she's had a horse for a while now 1363589;1452296067;mircea_popescu;oh. i just remembered she was thinking of buying. 1363590;1452296068;mircea_popescu;cool. 1363591;1452296075;davout;maybe a second one 1363592;1452296085;davout;that would be the pony :D 1363593;1452296090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00049383 = 1.8183 BTC [+] {2} 1363594;1452296092;mircea_popescu;lol 1363595;1452296144;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes. 1363596;1452296144;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox. 1363597;1452296186;davout;obviously #ba needs a sane delivery network 1363598;1452296208;pete_dushenski;god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome 1363599;1452296254;mircea_popescu;the pony express was kinda cool... 1363600;1452296272;davout;yeah well don't count on mine 1363601;1452296274;pete_dushenski;aha as seen with persians, khanate, usians 1363602;1452296291;davout;it's more like "fuck you, i'm fine eating this delicious grass right fucking here" 1363603;1452296310;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363093 << as far as accountants go, i'd say so 1363604;1452296310;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh 1363605;1452296341;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man. 1363606;1452296347;pete_dushenski;davout: that entitled huh 1363607;1452296384;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns... 1363608;1452296402;pete_dushenski;"those are lottery numbers, not how much tax i owe !!" 1363609;1452296421;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363499 << l0l, and when i 'this is NOT everything!111' mircea_popescu answers 'mysticism!!11' - can't win. 1363610;1452296421;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 22:05:07; mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting". 1363611;1452296426;davout;i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs 1363612;1452296464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform life's hard but unfare! 1363613;1452296467;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363517 << what even is this 1363614;1452296467;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 22:53:25; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt 1363615;1452296478;mircea_popescu;davout a man in the house ? 1363616;1452296481;asciilifeform;heathen linux crud 1363617;1452296503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04 1363618;1452296503;pete_dushenski;lol. not mystical enough for you ? 1363619;1452296506;davout;mircea_popescu: has to be! 1363620;1452296522;mircea_popescu;close lid, come back later, lift lid, continue married with children from where it left off. 1363621;1452296530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and external displays ? 1363622;1452296544;mircea_popescu;i've not tried, but i am willing to bet that it'll bne fine. 1363623;1452296549;asciilifeform;and yes if this was a thinkpad with actual ibm logo, this works 1363624;1452296553;mircea_popescu;it is yes. 1363625;1452296558;asciilifeform;but all it is good for is watching pr0n and 'lynx' 1363626;1452296570;mircea_popescu;i could crack your head open with it... 1363627;1452296574;asciilifeform;that also ! 1363628;1452296579;asciilifeform;i got a bunch of these here 1363629;1452296589;asciilifeform;but none are good for mining u. 1363630;1452296592;mircea_popescu;thing's impressive in its solidity, i'[d guess 10 lbs 1363631;1452296598;asciilifeform;x40 ? 1363632;1452296604;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1363633;1452296612;asciilifeform;model 1363634;1452296620;mircea_popescu;im too lazy to go check 1363635;1452296645;asciilifeform;anyway these things rules 1363636;1452296648;asciilifeform;*ruled 1363637;1452296655;asciilifeform;but none will drive a reasonable number of pixels 1363638;1452296656;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: anyways, you wanted the error logs (!), you got the error logs. 1363639;1452296673;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: that one looks more like a 'i tried to install shitlinux and got bored' log 1363640;1452296687;mircea_popescu; 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' 1363641;1452296687;mircea_popescu;in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter 1363642;1452296689;mircea_popescu;ahaha what the fuck! 1363643;1452296696;pete_dushenski;mno 1363644;1452296700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3071 @ 0.00049042 = 1.5061 BTC [-] {2} 1363645;1452296730;pete_dushenski;i have debian 7.3 installed, and several 'updates' don't wanna take because 'not latest verzionz' 1363646;1452296737;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363595 << last week or so especially egregious 1363647;1452296737;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes. 1363648;1452296739;pete_dushenski;as far as i can see 1363649;1452296746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE. 1363650;1452296757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato 1363651;1452296765;asciilifeform;but i can do that on a 486. 1363652;1452296768;asciilifeform;just takes a little while. 1363653;1452296772;asciilifeform;that's not the issue. 1363654;1452296773;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: os ? 1363655;1452296785;mircea_popescu;ubuntu 10.04 1363656;1452296792;mircea_popescu;i think i said that b4 1363657;1452296825;asciilifeform;(the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop 1363658;1452296829;asciilifeform;) 1363659;1452296833;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: could've been diff girl 1363660;1452296843;pete_dushenski;you have, like, multiple 1363661;1452296856;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski before, like 20 lines up! 1363662;1452296868;asciilifeform;anyway 'compile trb' was never a mega-feat 1363663;1452296871;asciilifeform;go compile rotor. 1363664;1452296887;asciilifeform;from empty space. 1363665;1452296922;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE." 1363666;1452296938;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su 1363667;1452296938;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. " 1363668;1452296939;pete_dushenski;anyways. 1363669;1452296981;asciilifeform;any university that didn't have 'jew quota' would rapidly fill up 1363670;1452296992;asciilifeform;and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here' 1363671;1452297022;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? 1363672;1452297023;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz, today's mega-lulzatr0n winner, 1363673;1452297024;asciilifeform;https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-asking-to-be-eaten-5acf72aa776f#.nf0nek4rc 1363674;1452297025;assbot;Paul Graham Is Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs1nt ) 1363675;1452297031;mircea_popescu;or not really worth it / nobody cares ? 1363676;1452297130;asciilifeform;http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html << the piece which provoked the earlier thing 1363677;1452297131;assbot;Economic Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs82q ) 1363678;1452297206;mircea_popescu;wait, this sort of anti-national-socialist propaganda is allowed on medium ? 1363679;1452297214;mircea_popescu;i thought they only had good nazi chicks there or something. 1363680;1452297223;asciilifeform;complicated. pg tries to position himself as 'legit business' 1363681;1452297231;asciilifeform;and 'growing the pie' etc 1363682;1452297237;asciilifeform;rather than usg scion 1363683;1452297243;mircea_popescu;so did krupp. 1363684;1452297254;trinque;http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme 1363685;1452297255;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKAs8 ) 1363686;1452297256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKC3w ) 1363687;1452297257;trinque;know how it can be improved. 1363688;1452297268;asciilifeform;trinque: neato 1363689;1452297271;asciilifeform;trinque: post to ml plox 1363690;1452297272;mircea_popescu;cool beans. 1363691;1452297278;mircea_popescu;yeh what he said. 1363692;1452297281;trinque;k 1363693;1452297290;asciilifeform;i generally go to ml when i look for 'what happened in xxx month trb-wise' 1363694;1452297724;shinohai;ty trinque will test asap 1363695;1452297749;asciilifeform;'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.' 1363696;1452297798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00048828 = 8.9682 BTC [-] {2} 1363697;1452297806;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so. 1363698;1452297806;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 17:09:56; linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8 1363699;1452297879;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: lulzy, and predictable 1363700;1452297914;asciilifeform;'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to advise and mentor those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see. 1363701;1452297914;asciilifeform;' << merit-washing 1363702;1452297919;asciilifeform;somebody's been reading the logz. 1363703;1452297945;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363294 << next was foss ? 1363704;1452297945;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style. 1363705;1452297955;asciilifeform;bsd was. 1363706;1452297963;pete_dushenski;ah that. yes. 1363707;1452297981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5974 BTC [+] 1363708;1452297993;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL 1363709;1452297995;assbot;nanoakron comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWnO ) 1363710;1452298016;asciilifeform;( https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-still-asking-to-be-eaten-5f021c0c0650#.s0vnaxy5c << source of earlier l0ltr0n) 1363711;1452298017;assbot;Paul Graham is Still Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWUU ) 1363712;1452298053;pete_dushenski;shinohai: "he's a pinball wizard!" 1363713;1452298060;shinohai;kek 1363714;1452298161;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon 1363715;1452298267;pete_dushenski;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steven-cohen-accepts-two-sec-192920744.html 1363716;1452298269;assbot;Billionaire Cohen settles with SEC, could soon manage outside money - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1POtcDj ) 1363717;1452299783;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding") 1363718;1452299783;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something. 1363719;1452299936;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363401 << titty milk is sweetest milk. 1363720;1452299936;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs. 1363721;1452299950;pete_dushenski;at least on all-carb-diet 1363722;1452300015;*;pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it. 1363723;1452300040;pete_dushenski;i suspect black majic is at play 1363724;1452300103;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363418 << 23-24 isn't so bad. hopeful, energetic, know who to come to for answers. 1363725;1452300103;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore 1363726;1452300106;punkman;kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats 1363727;1452300304;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: did we ever do a human milk thread ? 1363728;1452300315;asciilifeform;!s milk market 1363729;1452300316;assbot;2 results for 'milk market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=milk+market 1363730;1452300328;asciilifeform;hm 1363731;1452300330;pete_dushenski;looks like not 1363732;1452300351;pete_dushenski;though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract 1363733;1452300354;pete_dushenski;imo 1363734;1452300355;asciilifeform;http://www.newsweek.com/booming-market-breast-milk-335151 1363735;1452300356;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFmYXs ) 1363736;1452300426;asciilifeform;or http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/07/women-are-selling-their-breast-milk-for-incredible-sums-of-money 1363737;1452300428;assbot;Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money | Video | TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA ) 1363738;1452300428;asciilifeform;etc 1363739;1452300453;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb. 1363740;1452300454;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik 1363741;1452300458;pete_dushenski;like 1363742;1452300480;mircea_popescu;anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings. 1363743;1452300490;pete_dushenski;maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? 1363744;1452300496;mircea_popescu;so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too. 1363745;1452300527;BingoBoingo; maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it 1363746;1452300542;asciilifeform;and old scumbag pg also, but he wants to produce a... different kind of people. 1363747;1452300575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski : www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding ? 1363748;1452300578;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out. 1363749;1452300594;pete_dushenski;http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding http://www.theprovince.com/Young+mothers+make+money+selling+their+breast+milk+bodybuilders+Craigslist/10834072/story.html 1363750;1452300595;assbot;Does Human Breast Milk Help Build Muscle? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0up ) 1363751;1452300597;assbot;Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP ) 1363752;1452300605;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: wins 1363753;1452300631;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea 1363754;1452300648;mircea_popescu;this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties". 1363755;1452300649;phf;damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong 1363756;1452300650;mircea_popescu;yeah. right. 1363757;1452300694;pete_dushenski;isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates) 1363758;1452300710;deedbot-;[Qntra] US Stocks End Record Losing Week - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/ 1363759;1452300717;pete_dushenski;worn for a day, that is 1363760;1452300800;punkman;"Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11 1363761;1452300808;punkman;powdered breast milk. 1363762;1452300808;BingoBoingo;;;later tell whaack win http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/#comment-37570 1363763;1452300809;assbot;Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnzIE ) 1363764;1452300809;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1363765;1452300879;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/#comment-37610 1363766;1452300880;assbot;US Stocks End Record Losing Week | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnF35 ) 1363767;1452300909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+] 1363768;1452300910;phf; isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4 1363769;1452300910;assbot;smells like japanese panties ;) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnGnr ) 1363770;1452300966;pete_dushenski;phf: bahaha 1363771;1452301050;pete_dushenski;well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine 1363772;1452301065;phf;judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp 1363773;1452301702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2} 1363774;1452301881;mircea_popescu;honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal. 1363775;1452301993;mircea_popescu;even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow. 1363776;1452302049;mircea_popescu;and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif 1363777;1452302050;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFp5KM ) 1363778;1452303426;shinohai;^ a kitty titty massage :D 1363779;1452303442;mircea_popescu;i think it knows! 1363780;1452303522;mircea_popescu; https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself. 1363781;1452303524;assbot;The FetLife Meatlist: How A Social Network Failed Its Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRM8DF ) 1363782;1452303535;mircea_popescu;but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that. 1363783;1452303549;mod6;nice 1363784;1452303573;shinohai;My BTC Phoundation troll of the day: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/685628331446956032 1363785;1452303959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+] 1363786;1452304552;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363776 << mega-felid 1363787;1452304552;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2016 01:14:09; mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif 1363788;1452304750;mircea_popescu;here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif 1363789;1452304751;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JA9ewL ) 1363790;1452304806;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1363791;1452304809;asciilifeform;where's this from 1363792;1452304856;mircea_popescu;the internets! 1363793;1452305143;mod6;trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =] 1363794;1452305290;asciilifeform;mod6, trinque: mighty spiffy 1363795;1452305312;mod6;trinque - quite nice, Sir. 1363796;1452305470;mircea_popescu;hmmm this is suspicious 1363797;1452305476;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?! 1363798;1452305482;asciilifeform;isolated?? 1363799;1452305490;mircea_popescu;from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ? 1363800;1452305502;asciilifeform;i got a pile of connections on each 1363801;1452305515;asciilifeform;chugging mightily 1363802;1452305565;mircea_popescu;take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 1363803;1452305574;mircea_popescu;you gettx'd it multiple times, and it was sent, but ? 1363804;1452305625;asciilifeform;try now 1363805;1452305634;*;asciilifeform tail -f ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 1363806;1452305638;mircea_popescu;will retry presently. 1363807;1452305663;mircea_popescu;mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning 1363808;1452305664;*;asciilifeform watches the displays 1363809;1452305666;mircea_popescu;not the whole sha 1363810;1452305673;asciilifeform;hm 1363811;1452305678;mircea_popescu;try cat ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9de 1363812;1452305697;asciilifeform;done 1363813;1452305709;mircea_popescu;and it's empty ? 1363814;1452305720;asciilifeform;still pumping 1363815;1452305726;mircea_popescu;a ok 1363816;1452305751;asciilifeform;askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 0 1363817;1452305751;asciilifeform;sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1363818;1452305752;asciilifeform;^ dulap 1363819;1452305758;mircea_popescu;sooooo 1363820;1452305766;mircea_popescu;why the fuck don't i see it networkwide 1363821;1452305770;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaaand 1363822;1452305772;asciilifeform;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded 1363823;1452305787;mircea_popescu;well yes... 1363824;1452305806;asciilifeform;is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?! 1363825;1452305816;mircea_popescu;there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top. 1363826;1452305830;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't be. 1363827;1452305836;asciilifeform;turned up same 3 lines on bucephalus 1363828;1452305851;asciilifeform;nothing on zoolag. 1363829;1452305861;*;asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going 1363830;1452305872;mircea_popescu;e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that. 1363831;1452305879;asciilifeform;aha 1363832;1452305994;mircea_popescu;this is making just about 0 sense. 1363833;1452306155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-] 1363834;1452306481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ? 1363835;1452306489;mircea_popescu;does the log show any "received getdata" for it ? 1363836;1452306518;*;mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit. 1363837;1452306826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2} 1363838;1452306976;kakobrekla;bb payouts? 1363839;1452306984;mircea_popescu;obviously ;/ 1363840;1452307670;kakobrekla;same thing happened as before? 1363841;1452307985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2} 1363842;1452308143;trinque;mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked 1363843;1452308173;asciilifeform;askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300229000000 1363844;1452308173;asciilifeform;sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1363845;1452308173;asciilifeform;ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded 1363846;1452308175;asciilifeform;^ just now 1363847;1452308185;asciilifeform;(or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now) 1363848;1452308250;asciilifeform;i suspect that kakobrekla is right 1363849;1452308256;asciilifeform;and that it is the low-S fucktardation 1363850;1452308412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3} 1363851;1452308502;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no. 1363852;1452308512;mircea_popescu;this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain 1363853;1452308541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself. 1363854;1452308572;mod6;was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb? 1363855;1452308579;mircea_popescu;yes. 1363856;1452308888;mircea_popescu;so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them. 1363857;1452308903;mircea_popescu;i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow. 1363858;1452308941;mircea_popescu;ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this. 1363859;1452309297;asciilifeform;something is ~very~ wrong re: freenode 1363860;1452309322;asciilifeform;it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there) 1363861;1452309327;kakobrekla;something is wrong with everything. 1363862;1452309341;asciilifeform;and before this, i threw possibly a dozen lines in 1363863;1452309344;asciilifeform;and they went nowhere 1363864;1452309347;asciilifeform;with no server spew 1363865;1452309352;asciilifeform;silent netsplit 1363866;1452309376;kakobrekla;rethrow them. 1363867;1452309391;asciilifeform; incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it. 1363868;1452309391;asciilifeform; because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization 1363869;1452309391;asciilifeform; askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300218000000 1363870;1452309391;asciilifeform; sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1363871;1452309392;asciilifeform; ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded 1363872;1452309394;asciilifeform; ^ bucephalus 1363873;1452309398;asciilifeform; mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ? 1363874;1452309401;asciilifeform; and likewise, that it does not rely on a preceding tx that is not in a block ? 1363875;1452309403;asciilifeform; because - remember! - if it relies on a tx that is NOT IN A BLOCK, that tx MUST be in my mempool 1363876;1452309406;asciilifeform; or your tx gets thrown on the floor. 1363877;1452309408;asciilifeform; then again, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 , hm 1363878;1452309408;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that. 1363879;1452309410;asciilifeform; holy fuck, i'm netsplit silently ???? 1363880;1452309414;asciilifeform; seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here 1363881;1452309480;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363856 << just mine? or others also 1363882;1452309480;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them. 1363883;1452309871;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time 1363884;1452309872;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1363885;1452309924;asciilifeform;this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets. 1363886;1452310025;*;asciilifeform bbl 1363887;1452310485;mircea_popescu;tis weird tho. 1363888;1452310522;mircea_popescu; something is wrong with everything. << 1363889;1452310566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, i know i'm transmitting. 1363890;1452310578;mircea_popescu;and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above. 1363891;1452313292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2} 1363892;1452314573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4} 1363893;1452314756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+] 1363894;1452316037;BingoBoingo;!up massiro 1363895;1452316084;massiro;thank you. 1363896;1452316183;massiro; said "isolated from the network". 1363897;1452316191;massiro;this reminds me of sending tx with a high-S value. 1363898;1452316242;massiro;latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it. 1363899;1452316428;massiro;i'm suspecting is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values. 1363900;1452316564;danielpbarron;!s low-s 1363901;1452316565;assbot;15 results for 'low-s' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=low-s 1363902;1452316634;massiro;low-S is in the signature 1363903;1452316671;BingoBoingo;massiro: creates either s, sometimes high, others low 1363904;1452316719;massiro;in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S. 1363905;1452316756;massiro; yes. 1363906;1452316871;massiro;S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now. 1363907;1452316984;massiro;if S is greater, doing S' = 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141 - S will fix it. 1363908;1452317031;massiro;source: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0062.mediawiki#low-s-values-in-signatures 1363909;1452317032;assbot;bips/bip-0062.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UE4Q0h ) 1363910;1452317153;massiro;If we make high-S txes, it never be relayed/mined by latest nodes. 1363911;1452317225;danielpbarron;!s Wuille 1363912;1452317226;assbot;25 results for 'Wuille' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wuille 1363913;1452317442;massiro;and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted. 1363914;1452317546;massiro;i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value. 1363915;1452317696;massiro;in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input. 1363916;1452317821;massiro;low-S-modified 09e82c06 was mined, so ebc5d768 became double spending. 1363917;1452318161;BingoBoingo;!up massiro ty 1363918;1452318273;massiro;So the solution is to use the latest client. 1363919;1452318354;danielpbarron;what is the latest client? 1363920;1452318391;ben_vulpes;solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal 1363921;1452318434;massiro; Bitcoin Core 0.11.2 . 1363922;1452318661;danielpbarron;massiro, are you not familiar with http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ? 1363923;1452318662;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) 1363924;1452318735;massiro;, i know it a little... that may create high-S. 1363925;1452318807;massiro;If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network. 1363926;1452318830;danielpbarron;heh, we don't. 1363927;1452318875;massiro;, hahaha... 1363928;1452318986;danielpbarron;so do you bet on bitbet? 1363929;1452319014;massiro;yes. 1363930;1452319031;massiro;sometimes. 1363931;1452319093;danielpbarron;blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout? 1363932;1452319316;massiro;I have known the politics at some extent... 1363933;1452319359;massiro;and I think I'm conservative side such as a block size. 1363934;1452320856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00048828 = 3.8086 BTC [-] {2} 1363935;1452321488;gabriel_laddel;!up tripleslash 1363936;1452322173;ben_vulpes;good evening gabriel_laddel 1363937;1452322233;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD 1363938;1452322233;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWFxSG ) 1363939;1452322347;gabriel_laddel;!up BingoBoingo 1363940;1452322355;BingoBoingo;ty 1363941;1452322363;ben_vulpes;> nope.js 1363942;1452322366;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho 1363943;1452322440;ben_vulpes;i am very much looking forward to experimenting with this 1363944;1452322532;ben_vulpes;it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux 1363945;1452322624;gabriel_laddel;idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead. 1363946;1452322662;gabriel_laddel;I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... 1363947;1452322696;gabriel_laddel;well, I end up working on other stuff. 1363948;1452322759;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: do you have dedicated sales people at SJ? 1363949;1452322874;gabriel_laddel;!up samO__ 1363950;1452323268;gabriel_laddel;!up diana_coman 1363951;1452323771;gabriel_laddel;Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new. 1363952;1452323858;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20 1363953;1452325012;punkman;http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes 1363954;1452325013;assbot;X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSrRO8 ) 1363955;1452328273;punkman;asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet. 1363956;1452328289;punkman;code ref: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#805 1363957;1452328291;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1mKg0Gh ) 1363958;1452328349;phf;gabriel_laddel: rockets < yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. << Blockstream people nao complain too, because their off chain doo dad apparently won't work if any malleability on their transactions is possibru 1364178;1452355269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: make sure you have new pubkey plox 1364179;1452355277;asciilifeform;(new in the selfsigs sense ONLY!!) 1364180;1452355281;asciilifeform;get from assbot ? 1364181;1452355284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the node that was talking to them was 105-112 blocks behind main chain yesterday. 1364182;1452355305;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo try as i might, i can't fucking recall who the fuck is "blockstream" 1364183;1452355327;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: wuile, luke-jr, adam back, et al. 1364184;1452355335;BingoBoingo;Lightning network 1364185;1452355338;mircea_popescu;no, i mean in terms of doing things. 1364186;1452355343;mircea_popescu;like, for instance : bitbet pays 100s of bitcoins 1364187;1452355346;asciilifeform;sha512 == 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 1364188;1452355349;BingoBoingo;Oh, their the new power rangers 1364189;1452355350;mircea_popescu;what does "blockstream" do ? 1364190;1452355356;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc 1364191;1452355358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt ) 1364192;1452355392;BingoBoingo;It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where 1364193;1452355394;mircea_popescu;i get a374f57b40cdb645fd1f5eee5e304d6777a02c84d4f449cfefb1f1631c585933daf72c2aecd33383078be87a88701e2634b4542cef3d280ca32eb631432ae661 from that url. 1364194;1452355401;asciilifeform;wtf 1364195;1452355406;asciilifeform;post it plox!! 1364196;1452355410;asciilifeform;the thing that you get ! 1364197;1452355416;mircea_popescu;o nm, my bad. 1364198;1452355428;mircea_popescu;8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 confirmed 1364199;1452355468;*;asciilifeform pictures nsa goon sitting in a submarine on ocean bottom typing on two terminals very very quickly 1364200;1452355496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/35A2REQ 1364201;1452355497;assbot;dpaste: 35A2REQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBsWs7 ) 1364202;1452355523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently if you paste into sha512sum you get a different result than if you curl and pipe 1364203;1452355529;mircea_popescu;prolly control chars. 1364204;1452355564;asciilifeform;aha! 1364205;1452355583;mircea_popescu; It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where << yeah. none of this counts for anything. and i have nfi why they'd get any amount of vote in any discussion re bitcoin. 1364206;1452355617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: done. 1364207;1452355647;mircea_popescu;aite, it's in a term so i'll say. 1364208;1452355720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3Z6EYN3 1364209;1452355721;assbot;dpaste: 3Z6EYN3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtpul ) 1364210;1452355913;mircea_popescu;you'd naively think no propagation can possibly take this long. 1364211;1452355919;mircea_popescu;and you;'d be wrong, bitcoin oft does. 1364212;1452356658;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/406s4f/github_request_to_revert_the_removal_of << meanwhile, in the muppet circus 1364213;1452356660;assbot;GitHub request to REVERT the removal of CoinBase.com is met with overwhelming support (95%) and yet completely IGNORED. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBv7vM ) 1364214;1452356709;mircea_popescu;oh you don't understand how voting works. 1364215;1452357485;punkman;http://bitcoinist.net/cryptsy-has-moved-out-of-their-building-unannounced-nowhere-to-be-found/ 1364216;1452357486;assbot;Cryptsy Has Moved Out of Their Building Unannounced, Nowhere to be Found - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwDy2 ) 1364217;1452357553;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYORf2eWQAEUxly.png:large 1364218;1452357554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwJWn ) 1364219;1452358640;thestringpuller;;;google muppet circus 1364220;1452358641;gribble;Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: ; Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: ; Kermit the Frog on "Electric Circus" - YouTube: 1364221;1452359408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18339 @ 0.00048112 = 8.8233 BTC [-] {2} 1364222;1452360750;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://imgur.com/a/bgiM0 1364223;1452360751;assbot;jp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaT63E ) 1364224;1452361182;mircea_popescu;"Imgur is over capacity! 1364225;1452361182;mircea_popescu;Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!" 1364226;1452362254;asciilifeform;dafuq 1364227;1452362261;asciilifeform;the upload failed a couplea times too 1364228;1452362263;asciilifeform;so possible 1364229;1452362326;asciilifeform;link seems to load now 1364230;1452363556;punkman;what's that asciilifeform 1364231;1452364115;BingoBoingo;http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/ 1364232;1452364117;assbot;Does Mayonnaise Last as a Thermal Compound? - Hardware Secrets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaqoDS ) 1364233;1452364252;BingoBoingo;"Back in 2011, we tested mayonnaise as a thermal interface between the CPU and the base of the cooler. Amazingly, it worked nicely, proving to be, at least in a short term, a better thermal compound than several well-known commercial products. But, at the time, we could not determine how long it would continue to work before a degradation in performance was noted." 1364234;1452364252;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1364235;1452364370;BingoBoingo;The answer was apparently not only does it not last, it oxidizes the interface surfaces. 1364236;1452364430;punkman;"surprising" 1364237;1452364510;punkman;but I good to know I guess? for that rare occasion when you need to macguyver a heatsink on something 1364238;1452364546;BingoBoingo;Or don't really care how well it works after 3 days, but just need it to work NOW!!! 1364239;1452365572;BingoBoingo;Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz? 1364240;1452366019;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i was gonna say "oxidizing" 1364241;1452366038;mircea_popescu;and wjhat's the collection lulz ? 1364242;1452366101;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well the part where getting big lottery payouts from illinois would involve litigation. Even in the games where the jackpot is pooled with other states. Winning ticket would mean potential for you to sue and force state governments to sue each other. 1364243;1452366125;mircea_popescu;hahahaha. wait, i get to sue to establish to whom i pay my winnings in tax ? 1364244;1452366128;mircea_popescu;fuck that. 1364245;1452366153;BingoBoingo;Nah, gotta sue to even establish the winnings are winnings. 1364246;1452366185;mircea_popescu;heh. this quesiton doesn't come up to establish taxes are owed, im sure. 1364247;1452366240;asciilifeform;usa, land of 'win a car - declare bankruptcy' 1364248;1452366319;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: vegetable matter as lubrication (much less thermal, wtf, l0l) is atrociously braindamaged 1364249;1452366361;BingoBoingo;Werkz until doesn't 1364250;1452366373;asciilifeform;leaving the heatsink off also works until doesn't 1364251;1452366391;mircea_popescu;i doubt there's anything vegetal in us mayo. 1364252;1452366408;mircea_popescu;the wonder of socialist governments - making the cheapo ersatz something to aspire to. 1364253;1452366420;asciilifeform;aha, land of petro-margarine 1364254;1452366468;asciilifeform;landlord at my last office liked to leave 'christmas package' in every mailbox. it had 'food': items like 'cheese' that was good INDEFINITELY at room temperature, 'meat' where ditto, etc 1364255;1452366472;mircea_popescu;i'd bet that if properly purified of colorants etc, average lab can't distinguish any sauce from wd40 1364256;1452366519;mircea_popescu;and wd40 is not a great thermocouple agent, but also not as bad as air is. 1364257;1452366523;mircea_popescu;nothing is as bad as air, not really. 1364258;1452366526;asciilifeform;aha. 1364259;1452366557;asciilifeform;toothpaste would work just as well as anything 1364260;1452366569;asciilifeform;all you want is to 1) fill gaps 2) be reasonably inert 1364261;1452366639;mircea_popescu;toothpaste dries. 1364262;1452366650;BingoBoingo;Apparently chocolate is worse than not having interface material 1364263;1452366706;asciilifeform;well yes, was speaking of 'anythings' that tards might use 1364264;1452366721;asciilifeform;and the inevitable question, 'who gave these people a cpu?' 1364265;1452366728;mircea_popescu;obama. 1364266;1452366742;mircea_popescu;well, bush really, but anyway. same diff. 1364267;1452366748;asciilifeform;fdr. 1364268;1452366753;BingoBoingo;Clitler 1364269;1452366825;shinohai;http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_idaho_militia.html <<< the plot thickens! 1364270;1452366826;assbot;Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation' | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGct7O ) 1364271;1452366856;mircea_popescu;ha-ha! 1364272;1452366896;*;asciilifeform looks at photos, does not find armour or artillery 1364273;1452366951;mircea_popescu;1798 comments << gotta love that comment count 1364274;1452366956;mircea_popescu;1802 by now 1364275;1452366974;BingoBoingo;In other news more hamplanets turning on Beetus Christ https://archive.is/DOpqe 1364276;1452366975;assbot;The WORST body positive role model ever. | Bigbuttbbw considers ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhGeG ) 1364277;1452367062;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/dWm7G << check out a page that never completes loading. 1364278;1452367063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhQ5H ) 1364279;1452367064;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1364280;1452367089;mircea_popescu;tyme to nullroute "livefyre.com" 1364281;1452367195;asciilifeform;'Crazy like a fox. They are Gubment spooks or assets. Most are collecting military disability and ole Mammon has got a nice half million dollar loan from the SBA. Nobody is dumb enough to challenge Mad Dog Sam. Use your brains for once! Dictatorship is here, with this nice little false flag rebellion to usher it in.' 1364282;1452367200;asciilifeform;(from those 1802 commentz) 1364283;1452367258;mircea_popescu;anyway, check it out alfie, usg lost policing power in oregon. 1364284;1452367319;BingoBoingo;Well Oregon was established as a refuge for white folk. 1364285;1452367322;mircea_popescu;also, sam destefano has been dead for longer than the internet's been a thing. 1364286;1452367455;mircea_popescu;"get off my lawn you damn dirty apes. i think there will be arguments for years about the wisdom of emboldening these white power, white privilege self serving outlaws or letting them disperse on their own to be picked up later for prosecution. i think the worst case scenario would be letting them off with a guarantee of no criminal charges they should face a range of charges from littering to treason." 1364287;1452367472;mircea_popescu;anyone taking bets on whether "queergendered", fat, on govt dole and in ny ? 1364288;1452367657;BingoBoingo;Anyone want to do a piece on the latest Oregon for qntra? 1364289;1452367742;BingoBoingo;Seems to merit "diverse" perspectives 1364290;1452367755;mircea_popescu;would be great if someone who lived there. 1364291;1452367761;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i take it they ain't answering emails ? 1364292;1452367771;BingoBoingo;Not yet 1364293;1452367785;BingoBoingo;And if they were I'd still be suspicous 1364294;1452367812;*;shinohai wonders if they have a GPG key by now ... 1364295;1452367851;mircea_popescu;heh. seems improbable. 1364296;1452367872;BingoBoingo;It would be nice if someone in WoT near there would go over and do a GPG keysigning party 1364297;1452367890;asciilifeform;they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap 1364298;1452367926;asciilifeform;would say, real strength is in blood, sweat, guts ! 1364299;1452367926;BingoBoingo; they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap << Could probably be sold on "keeping Obama out" angle 1364300;1452367933;asciilifeform;mno. 1364301;1452367944;asciilifeform;to the spartan, thinking is verboten 1364302;1452367950;mircea_popescu; they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap <<< you don;t know what the girl says UNTIL YOU ASK HER OUT. 1364303;1452367962;asciilifeform;let's ben_vulpes go ask. 1364304;1452368000;mircea_popescu;iirc i asked and he didn't wanna. 1364305;1452368070;asciilifeform;oblig >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto 1364306;1452368072;assbot;The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGeJfA ) 1364307;1452368106;asciilifeform;'the unfounded belief that whitey couldn't possibly have figured out your genius, Allah-inspired "idea". The ungrounded belief that all those other kids that stayed in school rather than quit at age 8 learned nothing at all for their trouble. The firm conviction that you can hide behind your finger.' 1364308;1452368177;BingoBoingo;My present dilemma is if I recieve any plaintext from Oregon liberators over the wire, there is an extreme possibility of it actually being a Preet 1364309;1452368432;mircea_popescu;can still print with that caution. 1364310;1452368605;BingoBoingo;USG agents on Oregon https://archive.is/LZWt1 1364311;1452368606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFkicw ) 1364312;1452368641;mircea_popescu;so you just about ready to make warzone reporting a full time activity BingoBoingo ? 1364313;1452368739;BingoBoingo;Not yet. You know, this may be an occasion to use the Trilema job board. 1364314;1452368754;mircea_popescu;which still dun exist. besides, not all jobs are entry level. 1364315;1452368783;mircea_popescu;;;ud BLM 1364316;1452368783;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BLM | Bureau of Land Management ( people with short pants ). Yogi Bearr & Bo-bo's ranger watch ! BLM close public lands so Mr. ranger can keep city people from ... 1364317;1452368796;shinohai;Hey boo boo! 1364318;1452368825;mircea_popescu;"For the Republic, Stewart Rhodes Founder and President of Oath Keepers" <<< lol check out that guy 1364319;1452368837;mircea_popescu;but tbh, BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure his point is without merit. 1364320;1452368843;mircea_popescu;why not heal the representativity issue ? 1364321;1452368868;BingoBoingo;I though it existed as a category on trilema? But no, no entry level position here. 1364322;1452368887;BingoBoingo; why not heal the representativity issue ? << needs ben_vulpes for that 1364323;1452368913;mircea_popescu;nono i mean, as far as the bundys, hammonds etc are concerned 1364324;1452368916;mircea_popescu;reading the piece you linked. 1364325;1452368936;BingoBoingo;I mean need ben_vulpes as a local to heal that issue 1364326;1452368953;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes can be local representative 1364327;1452368998;mircea_popescu;eh you can't conscript people. 1364328;1452369006;BingoBoingo;Anyways at this point I have concerns about the Oregon liberation's ability so sustain itself in the way the Bundy ranch defense has. 1364329;1452369055;mircea_popescu;well that's the difference between a revolution and an invasion. 1364330;1452369059;mircea_popescu;the invasion needs a baggage train. 1364331;1452369131;asciilifeform;the 'revolution', when it takes over a solitary foodless shithole, also needs baggage train. 1364332;1452369149;mircea_popescu;not so. 1364333;1452369160;mircea_popescu;which is why the soviets were an invasion, not a revolution. 1364334;1452369290;BingoBoingo;;;google Oregon Bearded Bastards 1364335;1452369291;gribble;Partners - Pacific Patriots Network: ; You Have To See Ammon Bundy's Ridiculous Press Conference In ...: ; Stockists - The Bearded Bastard: 1364336;1452369297;asciilifeform;incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers 1364337;1452369300;asciilifeform;if that weren't clear 1364338;1452369311;BingoBoingo;Seriously these people need to learn to internet 1364339;1452369313;asciilifeform;(this is not a secret) 1364340;1452369329;BingoBoingo; incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << Seems to be common knowledge in the actual patriot circles 1364341;1452369350;asciilifeform;no, this is explicitly printed on the box 1364342;1452369362;asciilifeform;it's supposed to be an org for usg soldiers who swear not to fire on the crowd 1364343;1452369396;asciilifeform;often accused of being a stoolie gambit for gestapo, yes 1364344;1452369399;BingoBoingo;Of course, but they got along with other groups until http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#fn2-4801 1364345;1452369400;assbot;Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFlYTw ) 1364346;1452369412;BingoBoingo;Which confirmed stoolie gambit 1364347;1452369431;BingoBoingo;Also their agitation in Ferguson, etc 1364348;1452369514;BingoBoingo;;;google Citizens for Constitutional Freedom 1364349;1452369514;gribble;Citizens for Constitutional Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Oregon siege: What the armed group wants and why - CNN.com: ; Arrest the so-called 'Citizens for Constitutional Freedom' - Chicago ...: (1 more message) 1364350;1452369531;asciilifeform;think for a minute, about the wisdom of a pre-existing public list of commanders who 'promise not to fire on the crowd' 1364351;1452369534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16512 @ 0.00048964 = 8.0849 BTC [+] {2} 1364352;1452369579;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << this is not unlike saying that incidentally, the guy that shot sadat was from the egyptian military. 1364353;1452369582;mircea_popescu;you don't say... 1364354;1452369599;asciilifeform;aha, printed right on the box 1364355;1452369641;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo state this for my benefit. so how and wherefore what the guy said is stoolie gambit ? 1364356;1452369801;BingoBoingo;In the linked letter to Ammon Bundy, nothing yet. Oatherkeepers SOP seems to be sound reasonable until Eric Holder drone strike panic. 1. Build trust 2. Glass Cannon panic 3. ??? 4. Profit 1364357;1452369868;mircea_popescu;i'm not really up to date. 1364358;1452369954;BingoBoingo;Other role they take is as they did in Ferguson as USG sanctioned popular antagonist. They served as foil to both police and protestors . 1364359;1452370029;mircea_popescu;the problem with this theory is that it has very low predictive power. 1364360;1452370112;BingoBoingo;Well, for tsmr's history more effort was directed towards understanding USG social engineering with the power rangers than the various US patriot militias. 1364361;1452370114;mircea_popescu;not saying by any means that you're wrong or anything, i'm not from there. 1364362;1452370148;BingoBoingo;It's also an area where USG has spent more time directing social engineering 1364363;1452370191;mircea_popescu;old ex-military dudes hanging around with the beers talking about shit ? 1364364;1452370210;mircea_popescu;almost as good as the 10 year reunion of athlethic highschools. 1364365;1452370246;BingoBoingo;In the 1990's this was serious USG concern during first Clitler administration between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Michigan Militia 1364366;1452370270;BingoBoingo;Various Michigan Militia attracted substantial attention for existing. 1364367;1452370291;mircea_popescu;aha 1364368;1452370311;BingoBoingo;Basically for USG was about as Urgent as Bitcoin is in 2019 1364369;1452370385;BingoBoingo;Losing large portions of he Western states seems like it might have actually been a concern. 1364370;1452370402;BingoBoingo;If USSR made it to 1997, US may have collapsed in 1994 1364371;1452370444;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1364372;1452370470;mircea_popescu;the whole thing doesn't belong together anyway, it's like "the nation of africa" over there. 1364373;1452370480;mircea_popescu;let congo and ghana go their separate ways already. 1364374;1452370482;BingoBoingo;USG depserately needed 9-11 and 8 years of enthusiasm to tamp down enthusiam for militas built under CLinton 1364375;1452370497;mircea_popescu;i doubt it did much. 1364376;1452370510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00049065 = 5.1518 BTC [+] {2} 1364377;1452370527;BingoBoingo;It bought time for USG to build Oathkeepers 1364378;1452370636;BingoBoingo;So this is the Idaho group that is doing the perimeter thing http://www.iiipercentidaho.org/ 1364379;1452370637;assbot;3% of Idaho - When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoIAc ) 1364380;1452370721;BingoBoingo;Some history http://www.potowmack.org/emerappb.html 1364381;1452370723;assbot;United States v. Timothy Emerson, Potowmack Institute, amicus curiae, Appendix B ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoWr6 ) 1364382;1452370817;mircea_popescu;" If this were to happen, the state would assert itself as the principle of the contract making the people the agents." 1364383;1452370820;mircea_popescu;guy can't spell ;/ 1364384;1452370930;mircea_popescu;"was the armed militia of the American colonies whose own efforts ultimately led to the establishment of the United States of America! While some say that the right to keep and bear arms is granted to Americans by the Constitution, just the opposite is true : the existence of the federal government is granted by the citizens bearing arms, under limits set forth in the constitution" 1364385;1452370932;mircea_popescu;there we go. 1364386;1452371087;BingoBoingo; guy can't spell ;/ << transcriptionist couldn't spell. 1364387;1452371111;mircea_popescu;srsly, professional transcriptomonkey doesn't know what a principal is ? 1364388;1452371121;mircea_popescu;need less affirmative action in washington already. 1364389;1452371121;BingoBoingo;sysly 1364390;1452371147;BingoBoingo;Was delivered to United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism orally 1364391;1452371160;BingoBoingo;Because 1995 1364392;1452371184;mircea_popescu;anyway, not bad. 1364393;1452371232;BingoBoingo;Compare that to the current US "alt-right" with its "Oath Keepers", MLM-scammers like Glenn Beck, and media social engineering like Trump 1364394;1452371277;mircea_popescu;apparently the guy also came up with the theory japan bombed oklahoma because the us dumped sarin in tokyo ? 1364395;1452371286;mircea_popescu;and was somehow kicked out of michigan / moved to alaska ? 1364396;1452371286;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b61 1364397;1452371304;BingoBoingo;Details 1364398;1452371307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is glenn beck still selling overpriced gold rounds to suckers ? 1364399;1452371314;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1364400;1452371343;BingoBoingo;And Rush Limbaugh is selling Identity theft protection and Cloud backup storage 1364401;1452371371;BingoBoingo;Rush Limbuagh also does a lot of Apple product placement 1364402;1452372057;BingoBoingo;How the American left frames the history of anti-hippies which actually stretches back to the late 60's https://archive.is/sKIoB 1364403;1452372058;assbot;A 'Patriot' Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFs1XW ) 1364404;1452373075;BingoBoingo;Serisouly though, today's alt-right and militia movement almost exclusively communicates on Facebook. 1364405;1452373089;BingoBoingo;Talk about a USG social engineering victory. 1364406;1452373142;mircea_popescu;aha. derps. 1364407;1452373205;BingoBoingo;Fucking BEst Korea!!!!1111!! Over here. 1364408;1452373380;mircea_popescu;"6/18/94 -- Common-law ideologue Brian Knoff is surreptitiously recorded discussing a planned marijuana-smuggling operation through Cuba that he hopes will help to fund other Patriot activists." 1364409;1452375011;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/30AC9GQ 1364410;1452375014;assbot;dpaste: 30AC9GQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PW9VSy ) 1364411;1452375014;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1364412;1452375027;mircea_popescu;you know im righthere 1364413;1452375070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ! 1364414;1452375165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and lo it came to pass that one man had sons, which he met because some women he knew introduced them. and those sons presently came upon him and said father, give us warhorses so we may be warriros, for you are a warrior yourself! and the man said better go and capture horses, for i am a warrior and i will soon die, and who'll give you warhorses then ? 1364415;1452375195;asciilifeform;well then mircea_popescu can wait potentially indefinite time until we make a horse out of toothpicks. 1364416;1452375228;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's the dilemma, isn't it : either die of ulcer like naggum or try and supress the nausea of being still alive with these schmucks all around like graham. 1364417;1452375241;asciilifeform;i'm a good way towards the naggum already. 1364418;1452375264;mircea_popescu;i meant for me! 1364419;1452375276;mircea_popescu;i thought we were talking about me! 1364420;1452375294;asciilifeform;more than one fella can ulcer yaknow 1364421;1452375354;asciilifeform;and i think my horse needs a new fuel filter 1364422;1452375355;asciilifeform;or sumthing. 1364423;1452375585;BingoBoingo;Can't you plug it into the computer? 1364424;1452375619;BingoBoingo;Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse 1364425;1452375641;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sadly this thread is a continuation of a pgpgram... 1364426;1452375671;BingoBoingo;I thought you meant horse as in your motor carriage needing a fuel filter 1364427;1452375675;asciilifeform;nah 1364428;1452375678;asciilifeform;another horse. 1364429;1452375696;BingoBoingo;Ah 1364430;1452375812;mircea_popescu; Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse <<< bwahahaha epic. 1364431;1452375829;mircea_popescu;you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. 1364432;1452375835;*;asciilifeform expects to write own driver for horse. 1364433;1452375883;BingoBoingo; you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. << Well I'm still learning this whole "living as a dry person" business 1364434;1452375928;BingoBoingo;It's amazing this whole doing something about a problem instead of drinking about a problem business 1364435;1452375928;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1364436;1452375954;BingoBoingo;!up Cristina 1364437;1452376025;mircea_popescu;word. 1364438;1452376068;BingoBoingo;Also all the money I'm saving that can be put towards expenses like HODL, thermal grease, and batteries 1364439;1452376397;mircea_popescu;heh 1364440;1452376404;mircea_popescu;i thought old people stole all the batteries they used. 1364441;1452376430;asciilifeform;nah they make'em by sticking forks into young people 1364442;1452376437;asciilifeform;(as in potato battery) 1364443;1452376549;mircea_popescu;lol 1364444;1452376565;*;BingoBoingo wondering if a catalytic cap for a lead acid battery valves would have the same function on FeNi 1364445;1452376686;BingoBoingo;!up Cristina 1364446;1452376883;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1364447;1452376890;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 451.34, vol: 4458.66893435 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.094, vol: 5088.17235 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 451.32, vol: 8935.65639376 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 466.5, vol: 2.34695756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.714185, vol: 48676.73960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 86.21654233 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.371479989, vol: 19.63880077 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1364448;1452376893;BingoBoingo;;;more 1364449;1452376894;gribble;451.218283222 1364450;1452376944;*;asciilifeform discovered the other day that $rupturefarm has a very spiffy library. quite comparable to his own, at least on scientific subjects 1364451;1452377135;asciilifeform;unrelated, except to an ancient thread: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS22406.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/290B077 1364452;1452377136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsyI2h ) 1364453;1452377138;assbot;dpaste: 290B077: National Security Letters in Foreign Intelligence Investigations: A Glimpse at the Legal Background ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsyIiD ) 1364454;1452377144;asciilifeform;mats ^ other usa jurist types 1364455;1452377217;asciilifeform;!up Cristina 1364456;1452377226;asciilifeform;Cristina: please fix your connection 1364457;1452377470;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3597 1364458;1452377471;assbot;JL: Jockstrap, Seer of the Palefaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rszaxk ) 1364459;1452377707;Cristina;gi 1364460;1452377713;Cristina;!balance 1364461;1452377722;Cristina;que tal todo por a qui ?? 1364462;1452377753;Cristina;hola 1364463;1452377753;diana_coman;!rate wyrdmantis 2 trustful builder/crafter in Eulora 1364464;1452377753;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/41e67c2b09f60f52 1364465;1452377761;Cristina;sigo a qui 1364466;1452377802;diana_coman;!v assbot:diana_coman.rate.wyrdmantis.2:4b365be092c15c1c984d08bd50161aa475bc226e45198b58647504f58e90e094 1364467;1452377802;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for wyrdmantis with note: trustful builder/crafter in Eulora 1364468;1452377827;diana_coman;!rated jurov 1364469;1452377827;assbot;You have not rated jurov. 1364470;1452377882;asciilifeform;Cristina: arregla su conexion por favor 1364471;1452377965;diana_coman;!rate jurov 3 official Euloran copper merchant; helpful with programming stuff; smooth and prompt btc transaction 1364472;1452377965;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d632fb127a3c8539 1364473;1452378001;diana_coman;!v assbot:diana_coman.rate.jurov.3:0aa9a3699fc15a1ba3b7b30fd9be4c2a9a38ef70ae44da579c53a54b362d7a8f 1364474;1452378001;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for jurov with note: official Euloran copper merchant; helpful with programming stuff; smooth and prompt btc transaction 1364475;1452379998;mircea_popescu;o hey, is William Pierce actually the model for the old dude in american history x ? 1364476;1452380090;BingoBoingo;I'd have to look into that 1364477;1452380223;mircea_popescu;December '97 -- Nearly 100 New York City employees, including some corrections officials, are arrested for using common-law "untaxing" kits to evade taxes. 1364478;1452380230;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut 1364479;1452380256;asciilifeform;sold right next to the common-medicine magical cure-all kit 1364480;1452380269;mircea_popescu;3/17/98 -- Two former New York City police officers become the last of 14 NYPD officers to be convicted in a tax evasion scheme. The two sold tax evasion kits from Patriot groups to other officers for up to $2,000 each. 1364481;1452380274;mircea_popescu;dawg... 1364482;1452380276;asciilifeform;and the common-mathematics O(N) factorizer kit 1364483;1452380509;mircea_popescu;"10/13/99 -- Members of the Southern Indiana Regional Militia meet with FBI agents as part of a government effort to defuse tensions between Patriots and officialdom." 1364484;1452380514;mircea_popescu;"1/1/00 -- Despite Patriot expectations that the millennial date change will bring martial law or massive social collapse, nothing of the kind occurs." 1364485;1452380534;mircea_popescu;it is pretty millenaristic innit. 1364486;1452380732;mircea_popescu;"Being a race traitor, yet still tolerated by my pale fellows, I thought it was the least I could do." << how'd he get that ? fucked a black chick ? or what's racely treasonable activity ? 1364487;1452380912;BingoBoingo;He hangs out with black people from time to time 1364488;1452381137;mircea_popescu;"If I might compress a quarter-million years into a paragraph: For hundreds of thousands of years mankind developed along three paths, the African, the Neanderthal and the Disnovian. 74,000 years ago the Toba Super Eruption occurred, causing a six-year nuclear winter, which wiped out all but a couple thousand lucky Africans. I dont know anything about the Disnovians. I do know that the Neanderthals across Europe and 1364489;1452381139;mircea_popescu; North Asia took the nuclear winter in stride, as they were cold-adapted. By 70,000-40,000 years ago one particular group of Africans produced some killer genius whose genes are in us all. The Neanderthals were wiped out soon thereafter at the peak of a nasty ice age that they were best suited to deal with. They were murdered." 1364490;1452381148;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense. for one thing, the cro-magnon did it, not some obscure "african". 1364491;1452381495;BingoBoingo;Can't expect retail expert to be history expert 1364492;1452381505;BingoBoingo;Enablers https://archive.is/VXyv3 1364493;1452381506;assbot;agritheia comments on What was your 'I don't get paid enough for this shit' moment? ... ( http://bit.ly/1kWcM0N ) 1364494;1452383564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048513 = 8.0532 BTC [-] {3} 1364495;1452384235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6358 @ 0.00048937 = 3.1114 BTC [+] {2} 1364496;1452384601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8854 @ 0.00048946 = 4.3337 BTC [+] {2} 1364497;1452385394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6302 @ 0.00049115 = 3.0952 BTC [+] {3} 1364498;1452387956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5579 @ 0.00049351 = 2.7533 BTC [+] {2} 1364499;1452388017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9621 @ 0.00049732 = 4.7847 BTC [+] {2} 1364500;1452388078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9258 @ 0.00049323 = 4.5663 BTC [-] {2} 1364501;1452389854;deedbot-;[Trilema] The big day. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-big-day/ 1364502;1452390741;ben_vulpes;trinque: is there a reason verify.mk uses `SHA512' instead of `sha512'? 1364503;1452390758;*;ben_vulpes reads, nm 1364504;1452391487;trinque;ben_vulpes: that's one of the knobs 1364505;1452391605;*;ben_vulpes twiddles 1364506;1452391666;ben_vulpes;i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious. 1364507;1452392366;ben_vulpes;trinque: build/Makefile:16 `tar xvf' -> `tar xvzf` << any reason i shouldn't do this? 1364508;1452392386;ben_vulpes;without, tar complains that the file uses gzip and that one must provide the `z' flag. 1364509;1452392468;trinque;ben_vulpes: a verbosity knob might be nice 1364510;1452392484;ben_vulpes;i'm talking about the gzip flag. 1364511;1452392530;trinque;ben_vulpes │ i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious. << 1364512;1452392542;trinque;but yeah I'll add that to the tar cmd 1364513;1452392561;ben_vulpes;aha. 1364514;1452392592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00048471 = 1.7934 BTC [-] {2} 1364515;1452392653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00048471 = 2.2486 BTC [-] 1364516;1452392774;ben_vulpes;trinque: fired your makefiles on obsd yet? 1364517;1452393001;trinque;yeah, buildroot is very unhappy. 1364518;1452393029;trinque;understandably so, as I understand that thing to be linux specific 1364519;1452393045;ben_vulpes;that'd be it then. 1364520;1452393080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00048406 = 4.5018 BTC [-] {4} 1364521;1452393111;trinque;at least pulling the deps/shit works with make SHA512=sha512 1364522;1452393167;trinque;ben_vulpes: and in fact if the buildroot step were stuck inside Makefile.rotor, it'd be trivial to have a Makefile.openbsd aside it 1364523;1452393186;trinque;then it'd be make BUILDER=openbsd SHA512=sha512 1364524;1452393287;trinque;V setup works fine on openbsd 1364525;1452393330;trinque;yep, I'm moving buildroot, makes total sense 1364526;1452393380;ben_vulpes;cool. 1364527;1452393412;ben_vulpes;neat stuff, dood. 1364528;1452393528;ben_vulpes;gotcha, okay, starting to see how this all fits together. 1364529;1452393576;trinque;ben_vulpes │ neat stuff, dood. << ty 1364530;1452393873;ben_vulpes;ping me when you have new makefiles, i'm going to remap keys and engage in other weeding-type activities on this machine 1364531;1452393898;trinque;ben_vulpes: I'll probably not throw another onto the mailing list before fixing the boost build 1364532;1452393910;trinque;maybe tomorrow 1364533;1452393952;ben_vulpes;fix << meaning address the failed targets? 1364534;1452393980;trinque;yeah 1364535;1452394007;trinque;|| true << abominable 1364536;1452394097;ben_vulpes;hail satan 1364537;1452395337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5170 @ 0.0004879 = 2.5224 BTC [+] {2} 1364538;1452396086;punkman;http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels 1364539;1452396087;assbot;The Nintendo They've Tried to Forget: Gambling, Gangsters, and Love Hotels ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHuCQY ) 1364540;1452396313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.0004936 = 4.393 BTC [+] {4} 1364541;1452396743;mircea_popescu;ahaha what the fuck "or true" 1364542;1452396758;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 1364543;1452396780;mircea_popescu;but yeh, nice script you got there trinque 1364544;1452396786;saifedean;good evening, everyone! 1364545;1452396802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40799 @ 0.00048201 = 19.6655 BTC [-] {6} 1364546;1452396862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00047927 = 2.636 BTC [-] 1364547;1452396923;mircea_popescu;how goes lebanon ? 1364548;1452396984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00047485 = 1.3771 BTC [-] 1364549;1452397045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00047463 = 4.4615 BTC [-] {3} 1364550;1452397095;saifedean;lebanon is as it always is, mundanely on the precipice of exploding 1364551;1452397125;saifedean;people hating each other and religious wars escalating everywhere... but... you know... the party must go on 1364552;1452397162;saifedean;unfortunately i'm not there for the next few months, moved to Windsor, Ontario, of all fucking places, the exact opposite of Lebanon if ever there was one 1364553;1452397196;mircea_popescu;lol 1364554;1452397223;mircea_popescu;who the fuck lives in ontario for the winter and in damascus for the civil war. 1364555;1452397295;saifedean;haha, well-put 1364556;1452397339;saifedean;well, the wife is due to deliver our first child in the next month or so, and we decided to come give birth here where my in-laws are, ensuring the girl gets the Canadian passport 1364557;1452397429;saifedean;it's not the most exciting place in the world, but it's across the river from detroit, which stands as a constant reminded that shit could be worse 1364558;1452397436;mircea_popescu;i can see it. 1364559;1452397472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00047254 = 10.3723 BTC [-] {6} 1364560;1452397533;saifedean;this place is so deadly boring it's unreal, but at least it's not a terribly cold winter, and I'm getting plenty of reading done... Also, it's not like you need much excitement to add to your life when you're expecting 1364561;1452397594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00047125 = 3.1809 BTC [-] {3} 1364562;1452397603;mircea_popescu;well... the woman's expecting. you're just reading. 1364563;1452397660;saifedean;well, not quite, there's a surprisingly large amount of stuff to do, learn, and decide if you choose not to hand over the entire process to the medical bezzle 1364564;1452397669;mircea_popescu;o, that. 1364565;1452397741;saifedean;this has been an enormously edifying experience... most important lesson learned is that handing over a pregnant woman to a hospital and obgyn is fucking nuts 1364566;1452397778;saifedean;the bezzle has completely destroyed people's conception of what birth is 1364567;1452397817;saifedean;it's treated like an emergency like a car crash, when it's a natural process like sex 1364568;1452397844;mircea_popescu;and the internet has ruined people's idea of what makes good storytelling. don't summarize, be specific. 1364569;1452397858;saifedean;trying to give birth in hospital makes as much sense as trying to have sex there 1364570;1452397871;mircea_popescu;you never banged in a hosptial ? 1364571;1452397877;mircea_popescu;dead people make me horny. 1364572;1452397979;saifedean;essentially: if a woman is left on her own in a comfortable setting with the father, her body will do all the work and pop the baby out painlessly and even pleasurably, the baby comes out healthy and looks for the tit to feed, it stays connected to the umbilical chord and placenta for a few days, the placenta empties all the nutrients and blood into the baby, and the baby grows healthy 1364573;1452398011;saifedean;all the complications of birth come precisely from the medical bezzle trying to barge in on this natural process to make a buck, basically 1364574;1452398034;mircea_popescu;look into "health" circumcision sometime. 1364575;1452398057;mircea_popescu;but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp. 1364576;1452398096;saifedean;they'll whisk her in an ambulance and freak the shit out of her, causing her vagina to contract just when it needs to expand. this then necessitates painful pushing, which usually doesn't work, necessitating cutting up and stitching, the baby comes out bloody and bruised and the woman can't breastfeed for hours, which will then destroy the baby's ability to latch properly 1364577;1452398124;saifedean;and most brutally, the fucking doctor wanting to go home quickly means he'll cut the umbilical chord immediately, suffocating the child and depriving him of about a third of his blood 1364578;1452398184;saifedean;this for me is the difference between the barbarian and civilized humans today: the civilized have the time and choice to wait on the placenta to empty into the baby. The barbarians are told by the doctor the placenta should be cut immediately 1364579;1452398192;mircea_popescu;who the fuck goes to the maternity ward in an ambulance ?! 1364580;1452398217;saifedean;people with insurance, that's who 1364581;1452398226;mircea_popescu;no way. srsly ?! 1364582;1452398229;saifedean;"you don't wanna take chances with your baby's health" 1364583;1452398231;mircea_popescu;there can't be enough fucking ambulances. 1364584;1452398245;saifedean;the stuff you learn will blow your mind 1364585;1452398349;saifedean;also, the post-birth interventions they do in the medical bezzle are astonishing... within an hour or so, the baby wil have had a vaccine against Hepatitis B, which I guess makes sense if you intend to pimp the child out in the first week. they'll give them an eye drop to protect against the possibility of the mom having chlamydia, regardless of whether she has it or not, thus destroying the child's vision for a few days.. 1364586;1452398392;saifedean;and then, the coup de grace, they give him a little sugar in the first hour to drug him and stop him crying from being separated from his mom while they do all the bezzle they wanna do 1364587;1452398401;mircea_popescu;o yeah, the whole first day vaccination business is both novel and outrageous. 1364588;1452398435;saifedean;all of which is not just unnecessary, but actively harmful. the child needs absolutely nothing in their first hours except their mom's milk. They need nothing for the first 6 months except her milk and sunshine 1364589;1452398455;mircea_popescu;not all kids actually want to eat immediately. 1364590;1452398496;saifedean;but the interventionist bezzle logic we have all come to know and love from economics is applied with vigor at birth, producing mentally, physically and emotionally stunted idiots ready for the modern world's demands 1364591;1452398523;saifedean;breastfeeding in the first hour is essential for the child and for the mom's breasts, it's part of the birth process 1364592;1452398556;mircea_popescu;not all women actually can breastfeed altogether. 1364593;1452398567;saifedean;the child should learn to latch onto the tit before anything else. In the fucking bezzle they give them the pacifier before the tit, and then they'll never latch properly... which happily enough creates endless business for Gerber and other peddlers of poison 1364594;1452398578;asciilifeform;!up saifedean 1364595;1452398587;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot saifedean 1364596;1452398587;assbot;saifedean is not registered in WoT. 1364597;1452398588;saifedean;if she can get pregnant, she can breastfeed, it's all part of the same package 1364598;1452398604;mircea_popescu;heh if only. if you can get it up, you can make her come, too ? 1364599;1452398627;saifedean;the problems of breastfeeding all come from the mom not being given the child to breastfeed immediately 1364600;1452398677;saifedean;inaccurate analogy, since she's another human. but if her body can carry a baby for 9 months, and if she eats well and takes care of herself, she will get milk 1364601;1452398716;saifedean;she could fuck it all up of course, but it takes deliberate human fuckery to stop her breastfeeding 1364602;1452398731;mircea_popescu;it's a body, anything in it can not work. 1364603;1452398735;saifedean;and of course, a big, big part of this is diet, what the mom eats before, during, and after pregnancy 1364604;1452398779;mircea_popescu;or whether she has a tyroid condition. or cystic ovaries. or or or. 1364605;1452398780;saifedean;if you can get your dick up, you can fuck with it. Doesn't mean you will... you could still fuck it up. 1364606;1452398814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 556 @ 0.0042 = 2.3352 BTC [+] 1364607;1452398850;saifedean;she's got to actively fuck it up for her to not breastfeed... look at all real world examples, and you find a woman who ate shit, or who had a caesarian and didn't bother try breastfeeding for a few days, or as is usually the case, a woman who just can't be bothered and came up wiht a story 1364608;1452398869;mircea_popescu;looky, i appreciate the youthful activist and half-doctor approach, but srsly, talk to an actual clinician. it doesn't always work. it sucks that it doesn't, it's maybe overreported, it's often just fancies in the woman's head, but not always. sometimes it dun work. 1364609;1452398870;saifedean;of course the medical bezzle is always happy to oblige with "conditions" 1364610;1452398926;saifedean;appreciate the faith in your clinician, but don't listen to those guys if you're having a child of your own, they're not in it for your benefit, they have med school loans to pay 1364611;1452398947;saifedean;and they can't pay them if they deviate from the script... 1364612;1452398965;trinque;I'll give it a coupla drops of truth in a bucket of rhetoric 1364613;1452398966;saifedean;do you also talk to an economist phd to get your perspective on Bitcoin? 1364614;1452398988;mircea_popescu;heh, i knew doctors with half century's experience before money was even fucking invented, you kidding me ? 1364615;1452399031;saifedean;I'd recommend you folks check out this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Nourishing-Traditions-Book-Baby-Child/dp/0982338317 1364616;1452399032;assbot;The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care: Sally Fallon Morell, Thomas S. Cowan: 9780982338315: Books - Amazon.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHxoWD ) 1364617;1452399033;mircea_popescu;and yes i talk to economists. as it happens the brightest mind in banking alive today is from my old country. 1364618;1452399058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 298 @ 0.00645 = 1.9221 BTC [+] 1364619;1452399090;mircea_popescu;isnt that the chick at war with the fda over the whole raw milk thing ? 1364620;1452399092;saifedean;you'll find it in pdf online if you look; reading it is a far better use of your time than arguing! 1364621;1452399102;saifedean;among many other wars, yes! 1364622;1452399112;mircea_popescu;here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania from a fucking machine. 1364623;1452399120;saifedean;are you familiar with Weston Price? 1364624;1452399121;mircea_popescu;~euro a liter. 1364625;1452399126;mircea_popescu;not particularly. 1364626;1452399133;saifedean;That muthafucka knew his shit 1364627;1452399147;mircea_popescu;anyway, all these nitwits that aren't from cattle country don't know wtf milk is, even. 1364628;1452399153;mircea_popescu;they do a lot of diary in lebanon don't they ? 1364629;1452399153;saifedean;it's a travesty that he's been completely forgotten... he's basically the Mises of nutrition 1364630;1452399161;saifedean;yeah they do 1364631;1452399168;asciilifeform;phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s 1364632;1452399173;mircea_popescu;yeah. "o my god raw milk". herp. 1364633;1452399207;saifedean;Weston Price traveled the world for decades observing different cultures and their foods and examining the link with health and degeneration... pretty startling stuff 1364634;1452399249;saifedean;raw milk is not that interesting an issue, ignore it 1364635;1452399267;saifedean;but do read Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration 1364636;1452399290;saifedean;the internet has that somewhere, too 1364637;1452399342;mircea_popescu;it's pretty funny. "science!!1" 1364638;1452399417;saifedean;weren't you the one who wrote a post about how dumb it is to be hostile to things you do not know about? 1364639;1452399430;mircea_popescu;seems likely. which one ? 1364640;1452399472;asciilifeform;there is a surprisingly rich set of literature in... alchemy 1364641;1452399496;saifedean;can't remember the post, but it stuck with me and has saved me plenty of time by always ignoring arguments from people hostile to things they don't know... mainly bitcoin and health, funnily enough 1364642;1452399503;mircea_popescu;anyway, i was discussing whether raw milk is interesting or not. it's interesting, to me, because lol. 1364643;1452399544;saifedean;yes asciilifeform, there is, by the sort of people who invented basically all the science and knowledge that got us out of swimming in our own shit in the jungle! 1364644;1452399571;mircea_popescu;wait... 1364645;1452399575;saifedean;i've never had raw milk, don't know a source i can trust in lebanon, and it's illegal to buy it here in Ontario! 1364646;1452399585;mircea_popescu;what, seriously ?! 1364647;1452399594;mircea_popescu;you ever milked a cow ? 1364648;1452399609;saifedean;Isaac Newton was an alchemist primarily, physics and chemistry were the languages he used to speak to the plebs 1364649;1452399618;saifedean;nope, never milked a cow... 1364650;1452399628;mircea_popescu;and you call yourself a lebanonesian ?! 1364651;1452399653;mircea_popescu;anyway. i milked a cow. prolly can still do it. 1364652;1452399654;asciilifeform;saifedean: aha. but for some reason i have yet to meet a practicing physicist who read newton's alchemical works. 1364653;1452399654;saifedean;i ain't even lebanonesian, bro. I'm actually palestinian 1364654;1452399667;mircea_popescu;ah right that explains it! 1364655;1452399705;*;asciilifeform worked for a palestinian fella for many years 1364656;1452399741;saifedean;it's sad that your physicist friends havent read alchemists, but i'm gonna go ahead and guess that's sad for them, not for the alchemists... here's a list of actual aclhemists, imagine where you'd be without their contributions to your life! 1364657;1452399750;saifedean;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alchemists 1364658;1452399751;assbot;List of alchemists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHy6TE ) 1364659;1452399763;mircea_popescu;honestly, to me all this sorta stuff, much like the "eu legislation" on "contaminated animal productS" ie, edible cheese, is a case of derpy dudes thinking chickens come out of the supermarket. 1364660;1452399770;asciilifeform;saifedean: 'civilization begins with distillation' (tm) (r) (falkner) aha 1364661;1452399786;asciilifeform;but where the hell is my philosopher's stone. 1364662;1452399797;mircea_popescu;and i certainly aren't about to read some anglo derps on how and what to eat. 1364663;1452399803;mircea_popescu;for one thing, i still have latin. 1364664;1452399807;saifedean;ah, if only they sold that on amazon ascii 1364665;1452399816;mircea_popescu;for another... what the fuck, i didn't grow up in a hole. 1364666;1452399868;mircea_popescu;to quote disraeli, "who are you people again ?" 1364667;1452399888;saifedean;lol 1364668;1452399948;saifedean;the problem with this sort of debate is that i've lived the life of the cake-munching sugar-addled modern nutrition believing fatty, and i've tried the opposite... which makes this conversation difficult 1364669;1452400022;saifedean;latin, after all, came from a sedentary agricultural society of grain-addicted fatties... you wanna look at pre-agricultural societies to see how to really be well-fed 1364670;1452400043;saifedean;unfortunately those people don't write, but fortunately, some people who do write have studied them... like weston price 1364671;1452400056;mircea_popescu;right. 1364672;1452400061;saifedean;who, in his defense, was not even american... he was my ontario homeboy 1364673;1452400081;mircea_popescu;you've tried the opposite but never suckled off a cow. 1364674;1452400096;mircea_popescu;what makes the discussion difficult is the significant chasm between what'd you want and what actrually is there. 1364675;1452400107;saifedean;no, but i've had raw liver, which is much better :) 1364676;1452400133;mircea_popescu;"i never had x but had y which is much better" is what you said to me ? how the fuck'd you know! 1364677;1452400211;saifedean;look, i'd love to try good raw milk, and if you can hook a brother up, let me know... but, you know, it ain't the be all end all of human knowledge 1364678;1452400215;punkman;/me is considering kokorec leftovers for breakfast 1364679;1452400233;mircea_popescu;alright... ever had woman milk ? 1364680;1452400241;saifedean;yes, my mother's 1364681;1452400249;mircea_popescu;not your mother's. as an adult! 1364682;1452400256;saifedean;did the job, im alive and healthy 1364683;1452400269;saifedean;but no, not as an adult 1364684;1452400272;mircea_popescu;sigh 1364685;1452400280;mircea_popescu;dude... cows, ok, i can see, they don't grow everywhere. 1364686;1452400286;mircea_popescu;but women are literally ubiquitous. 1364687;1452400291;mircea_popescu;less reading more suckling ok ? 1364688;1452400339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30251 @ 0.00047288 = 14.3051 BTC [+] {2} 1364689;1452400343;saifedean;punkman is a man after my heart... kokorec is fucking good, whereabouts are you? turkey? 1364690;1452400351;mircea_popescu;practically. 1364691;1452400374;mircea_popescu;morea eyalet 1364692;1452400386;punkman;saifedean: greece 1364693;1452400390;saifedean;what's your deal with milk mircea? 1364694;1452400419;punkman;grandma always boiled the raw milk, I'm sticking with that 1364695;1452400420;mircea_popescu;!up saifedean 1364696;1452400469;mircea_popescu;wow check it out, it was its own province, girit 1364697;1452400512;mircea_popescu;saifedean my deal ? whole thing started from it neh 1364698;1452400580;saifedean;milk's essential for kids, for at least a year, but i'm honestly not convinced grown-ups should even be drinking it, weston price be damned 1364699;1452400604;punkman;I like Candia better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Candia 1364700;1452400605;assbot;Kingdom of Candia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl99K4 ) 1364701;1452400611;saifedean;animal fats and meat is all a man needs 1364702;1452400691;mircea_popescu;eh how'd you know. at least that dude has the excuse of a lot of bad dinners all over. 1364703;1452400701;saifedean;the last two months i've basically eaten nothing but fatty meat, never been healthier 1364704;1452400773;mircea_popescu;you should be an alchemist and write great books on theoretical physics. 1364705;1452400821;mircea_popescu;for my part, for the past two weeks i've only been slapping butts with my left hand and i've never been taller. 1364706;1452400828;saifedean;gotta finish popping babies and feeding them properly first, then focus on econ, then alchemy... theoretical physics does not interest me much 1364707;1452400831;trinque;!b 4 1364708;1452400833;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3NTMCM8.txt ) 1364709;1452400872;asciilifeform;saifedean would get on well with funkenstein, i think. 1364710;1452400893;mircea_popescu;my money says they'd find a point of principle to disagree on and not be on speaking terms. 1364711;1452400918;asciilifeform;and hey also orlov. 1364712;1452400929;saifedean;who's funkenstein and does he paleo? 1364713;1452400933;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm 1364714;1452400977;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron technically this was on a farm. the way they sorted it out was that the farm rented 20 sqft from the supermarket, plopped a machine down there. serviced it daily, there's a resident tech that does analytics. 1364715;1452401007;danielpbarron;ah, I can go buy it raw from the store shelf 1364716;1452401028;mircea_popescu;it doesn't keep unrefrigerated, does it. 1364717;1452401068;danielpbarron;i haven't tried to keep it out of the fridge, but it seems to age more gracefully in general 1364718;1452401086;mircea_popescu;certainly can make your own curds. 1364719;1452401091;saifedean;daniel, i didn't know that, might pop across the border next time I'm in NYC to see what it's like 1364720;1452401094;danielpbarron;instead of turning rancid it just turns sour 1364721;1452401113;danielpbarron;saifedean, not many stores sell it; not even whole foods last i checked 1364722;1452401119;mircea_popescu;http://www.joiana.ro/ro/reteaua-de-dozatoare-automate-de-lapte-timisoara << check it out, that;s actually the thing.\ 1364723;1452401120;assbot;Joiana | JOIANA Timișoara ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHzEgz ) 1364724;1452401243;saifedean;criminals, all these people, they'd go to jail in the good ole US of A 1364725;1452401248;punkman;I just realized if you try to vocalize TMSR you end up with something close to "timisoara" 1364726;1452401260;asciilifeform;punkman: l0l just now realized ? 1364727;1452401268;mircea_popescu;punkman and another insider joke falls slain by your attentive read! 1364728;1452401283;punkman;asciilifeform: ikr looks obvious now 1364729;1452401299;asciilifeform;btw timisoara absolutely ruled, imho 1364730;1452401347;mircea_popescu;you just liked the gypsy twists. 1364731;1452401374;mircea_popescu;fucking village, doesn't even have a tiny and cramped bdsm club 1364732;1452401412;asciilifeform;it reminded me of home planet. 1364733;1452401422;asciilifeform;climate was exactly right. my eternal allergy stopped, even. 1364734;1452401445;mircea_popescu;well it was the better part of the year. 1364735;1452401689;saifedean;ladies and gentlement i present you my first witness and exhibit A... the great paleo convert Bitstein of Texas, prayers and blessings be upon him 1364736;1452401777;bitstein;mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know << http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/vilhjalmur-stefansson/the-fat-of-the-land-not-by-bread-alone/ http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/miki-ben-dor-ahs13-slides 1364737;1452401779;assbot;Active No-Carber Forums :: Bear's Words Of Wisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plar7S ) 1364738;1452401781;assbot;The Fat of the Land / Not By Bread Alone – Vilhjalmur Stefansson ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plaroc ) 1364739;1452401782;assbot;Miki Ben-Dor — Interdisciplinary Reconstruction of the Paleolithic Di… ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plarol ) 1364740;1452401814;mircea_popescu;o.O 1364741;1452401868;saifedean;yeah it really isn't just me who's into all this weirdness :D 1364742;1452401910;asciilifeform;;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://secure.flickr.com/photos/obra/sets/72157635353286814 1364743;1452401912;assbot;Space Cadet Keyboard | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlayAj ) 1364744;1452401912;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1364745;1452402161;bitstein;http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/ 1364746;1452402162;assbot;Vegetables - Diagnosis:Diet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlaYqf ) 1364747;1452402180;bitstein;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLCp4rIBIM 1364748;1452402181;assbot;AHS12 Miki Ben Dor — Man The Fat Hunter: Animal Fat Shortage as a Driver of Human Evolution - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlaZdL ) 1364749;1452402213;asciilifeform;'eat right, exercise, be the healthiest corpse at the cemetary' 1364750;1452402240;bitstein;asciilifeform: what's the other option? 1364751;1452402278;asciilifeform;!up saifedean 1364752;1452402322;saifedean;asciilifeform: the point is to join the cemetary at the same time as the high school class 30 years your junior 1364753;1452402346;mircea_popescu;so that what ? 1364754;1452402347;asciilifeform;l0l good luck with that. 1364755;1452402364;saifedean;the best way to defeat your enemies is to write their obituaries yourself 1364756;1452402392;mircea_popescu;eh. you keep approaching a multivariate problem with a good feeling about having found the right single variable this time. 1364757;1452402393;punkman;why spent time on and believe in either modern- or paleo- nutrition science? 1364758;1452402403;saifedean;while your friends will be shitting their pants in retirement homes on diabetes medication, you'll be out there living life like a normal human 1364759;1452402445;saifedean;i dont know punkman, why look either side when you cross the road? 1364760;1452402446;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as a normal human. 1364761;1452402454;asciilifeform;^ 1364762;1452402459;saifedean;the road is a multivariate problem, after all 1364763;1452402475;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4o_mQWYAAksUR.png 1364764;1452402475;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlbvbX ) 1364765;1452402502;saifedean;lol thanks, Ezra Klein 1364766;1452402531;mircea_popescu;it looks like the letter șm. 1364767;1452402541;saifedean;orly? no normal human? i guess diabetes at 40 sounds grand, then 1364768;1452402553;bitstein;mircea_popescu: eat nothing but super fatty meat (80:20 fat:protein by calories) for 30 days. you'll feel good too. 1364769;1452402568;bitstein;you're in argentina, one of the cheapest places on earth to run such an experiment 1364770;1452402584;mircea_popescu;yeah, because that's my criteria o.O 1364771;1452402585;asciilifeform;isn't this how polar explorers contracted protein poisoning? 1364772;1452402585;bitstein;ribeyes are what, $4 USD a pound? 1364773;1452402606;saifedean;the criteria unfortunately is not money, it's cake! 1364774;1452402608;bitstein;asciilifeform: rabbit starvation is because of a lack of fat 1364775;1452402779;trinque;bitstein: strange how your teeth don't look much like the teeth of an animal that makes this its business. 1364776;1452402802;bitstein;Yea, I have these good for nothing canines and incisors. 1364777;1452402814;*;trinque yawns 1364778;1452402818;bitstein;My molars certainly don't look like those of herbivores. 1364779;1452402823;mircea_popescu;the chief merit of the human body is that it's so incredibly tolerant, it'll carry forward all sorts of bizarre notions of the inhabitant. 1364780;1452402845;bitstein;mircea_popescu: yea, like that it can handle lots of sugar and insulin 1364781;1452402860;mircea_popescu;can handle all sorta things. 1364782;1452402864;saifedean;yes, your body is amazingly tolerant you can choose to live your life walking on your hands and using tools with your legs... but you do not have to 1364783;1452402864;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1364784;1452402922;saifedean;and if you spent your entire life walking on your hands... it will sound crazy when someone tells you these hands would do a better job on a keyboard than feet! 1364785;1452403042;asciilifeform;dietary crackpottery is interesting psychiatrically. and fundamentally works - in the eating just about ANYTHING, even gravel, is healthier than subsisting on american petro-garbage 1364786;1452403048;mircea_popescu;come to think about it... you've never had a proper argentine porterhouse steak have you 1364787;1452403071;asciilifeform;but notice how no one is hyping the (very demonstrable) health benefits of... sleeping ad libitum 1364788;1452403078;asciilifeform;because it is NOT ACCESSIBLE to people in general 1364789;1452403082;saifedean;lamb > beef any day 1364790;1452403083;mircea_popescu;yes they are. 1364791;1452403096;mircea_popescu;you don't spend enough time with the chicks >1.80 alfie. 1364792;1452403114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they only live on atomic dirigible 1364793;1452403117;asciilifeform;so how would i. 1364794;1452403117;bitstein;asciilifeform: that's my argument against vegetarianism 1364795;1452403144;asciilifeform;i'm not even >180 1364796;1452403147;mircea_popescu;every slut out there knows, that she can either sleep enough or age prematurely. ask 'em. 1364797;1452403228;mircea_popescu;from an anthropologist's pov, this entire "paleo" thing is pretty much a bunch of boys wanting to be as annoying as the vegans but not ready to embrace metrosexualism or w/e it's called. 1364798;1452403253;asciilifeform;'stupidity with flipped sign bit' 1364799;1452403255;mircea_popescu;you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock, and the boring kids have their own "straight edge" punk which is all about punk if you live in wichita. 1364800;1452403256;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1364801;1452403291;mircea_popescu;contrary to what everyone thinks, multiculturalism has its advantages. 1364802;1452403298;saifedean;that's very profound coming from someone whose only real problem with trying paleo is their addiction to cake :D 1364803;1452403312;saifedean;fucking cake 1364804;1452403312;bitstein;mircea_popescu: my problem with "paleo" is it doesn't take itself seriously. paleo people eat so many foods that are only a few thousand years old. just look to their favorite veggies like broccoli, kale, cauliflower... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea 1364805;1452403312;assbot;Brassica oleracea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlcXuL ) 1364806;1452403330;saifedean;fuck broccoli, kale, and cauliflower 1364807;1452403332;mircea_popescu;you know, since im on okcupid about 10 derpy chicks a day go "o, i know why you're not married, you're AFRAID of it!!1" 1364808;1452403346;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally, something;s stupid because i'm not good enough for it, i'll buy that. 1364809;1452403357;saifedean;they're an improvement over bread and pasta, but they're not what's gonna make you strong and healthy 1364810;1452403375;asciilifeform;'coward is a fella who refuses to take a suicidal risk for somebody else's benefit' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen) 1364811;1452403381;mircea_popescu;lol 1364812;1452403396;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with pasta. just don't eat too much of it. 1364813;1452403413;saifedean;there's nothing wrong with cyanide, too, by that logic 1364814;1452403440;mircea_popescu;eh get out. plutonium, why not. BLACK HOLE!11 1364815;1452403450;*;asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures' 1364816;1452403458;mircea_popescu;it does dunnit. 1364817;1452403460;saifedean;but that's not how it works. grains are fucking poison, and the more you eat, the more you kill yourself. there is no "too much", any quantity is bad. if you can get over your sugar addiction enough to cut it all out, you'd be far healthier 1364818;1452403463;asciilifeform;hair shirt. 1364819;1452403480;mircea_popescu;dude, the more you eat anything the more you kill yourself. go vacuseal your carcass already. 1364820;1452403482;bitstein;asciilifeform: what are you talking about? my entire diet is composed of flesh pleasures. 1364821;1452403489;mircea_popescu;also the more babies your women have the older you get. and so on. 1364822;1452403501;asciilifeform;bitstein: keep telling yourself that. 1364823;1452403514;saifedean;lol you guys are addicted to the sugar rush and insulin spike... try to get over that addiction for a month, then try pasta and see how it feels 1364824;1452403516;bitstein;whoosh 1364825;1452403521;saifedean;it's fucking shit 1364826;1452403527;mircea_popescu;eh get out. 1364827;1452403535;mircea_popescu;for one thing, i actually lived on a hunter's diet. 1364828;1452403536;saifedean;it tastes like shit and it makes you feel like shit and it kills you slowly. 1364829;1452403548;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1364830;1452403554;saifedean;and what did you do about CAKE o.0 1364831;1452403560;mircea_popescu;nothing ? 1364832;1452403577;saifedean;now quit meat for a month and get back to it, and it'll be the best day of your life when you have your first steak in a month 1364833;1452403617;*;asciilifeform did this as a student, got violently ill 1364834;1452403619;mircea_popescu;dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same. 1364835;1452403622;mircea_popescu;how about... you know. 1364836;1452403651;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock << or rap http://www.atruechurch.info/atruechurchrap.html 1364837;1452403653;assbot;A True Church - ATrueChurch.info Rap ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWSd1c ) 1364838;1452403663;mircea_popescu;ahahahah rap too ?! 1364839;1452403681;asciilifeform;i shit thee not: there is rap in ru. 1364840;1452403686;punkman;saifedean: it's peculiar that every time you visit you want to have the same discussion 1364841;1452403705;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's a pity they didn't put any copyright notices opn that page. for one thing, copyright doesn't work without a notice, and for the other - someone could steal their muzak! 1364842;1452403733;trinque;punkman: fun to be the bearer of secret knowledge 1364843;1452403734;danielpbarron;i think there is a copyright notice 1364844;1452403739;bitstein;punkman: it's peculiar that people are so nihilistic about nutrition, a fundamental aspect of being alive and being human 1364845;1452403739;mircea_popescu;:p 1364846;1452403755;asciilifeform;bitstein: about cure-alls 1364847;1452403762;asciilifeform;and hair shirts. 1364848;1452403768;mircea_popescu;bitstein being disinterested in innovation as to a fundamental part of one's culture does not have anything to see with "being nihilistic about nutrition" 1364849;1452403768;bitstein;who said anything about a cure-all? 1364850;1452403771;trinque;and one neat trick they dun want u to kno 1364851;1452403815;mircea_popescu;go talk to israeli jews about you know, your solution to their geopolitical problems. 1364852;1452403831;mircea_popescu;"dudes, if you only took left turns while driving for three months everything would be fixed!" 1364853;1452403849;asciilifeform;and aha don't forget to mention their 'favourite' recommendation, 'go live in antarctica' 1364854;1452403881;mircea_popescu;but ... i'm addicted to taking the bitchez on nude walks! 1364855;1452403905;saifedean;the most amusingly funny aspect of this is that you folk sound exactly like my economist colleagues dismissing bitcoin... you don't know anything about it, but you can make up enough strawmen and groupthink to feel better about dismissing it 1364856;1452403916;mircea_popescu;... 1364857;1452403936;mircea_popescu;iirc you're the guy that upon examination turned out to be bereft of experience in the matter. 1364858;1452403938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3756 @ 0.00049747 = 1.8685 BTC [+] {2} 1364859;1452403955;saifedean;what examination?! which strawman was that? 1364860;1452403974;mircea_popescu;eh enough of the crap 1364861;1452403977;mircea_popescu;!down saifedean 1364862;1452403986;mircea_popescu;strawman bearers are not to bring up strawmen. 1364863;1452403996;asciilifeform;and wtf happened to his wot rating ?! 1364864;1452404006;asciilifeform;where'd it go 1364865;1452404031;mircea_popescu;he had one ? 1364866;1452404057;asciilifeform;i must have hallucinated ? 1364867;1452404098;mircea_popescu;!s rate saifedean 1364868;1452404099;assbot;1 results for 'rate saifedean' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rate+saifedean 1364869;1452404118;mircea_popescu;odd. 1364870;1452404315;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Tesla’s factory… in 2086. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/09/teslas-factory-in-2086/ 1364871;1452404350;bitstein;mircea_popescu: next: !down cake 1364872;1452404367;bitstein;!up fatty meat 1364873;1452404822;mircea_popescu;weird. 1364874;1452404941;mircea_popescu;actually kinda reminds me of the story of that guy, the anesthesiologist. 1364875;1452404942;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: just who /is/ the 'brightest mind in banking alive today'? 1364876;1452404956;mircea_popescu;!s isarescu 1364877;1452404957;assbot;3 results for 'isarescu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=isarescu 1364878;1452404983;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the one who was really rather talented but sold it all for western trinkets ? 1364879;1452405000;mircea_popescu;yeah, this bizarre monomania sorta thing. 1364880;1452405084;pete_dushenski;so turns out transcript work is not for the faint of heart. 1364881;1452405110;ben_vulpes;pandemic, asciilifeform? /pandemic/? 1364882;1452405142;pete_dushenski;and all i was doing was copying subtitles, and i was still floored by the volume 1364883;1452405159;pete_dushenski;anyways, glad to see bitbet payouts finally worked their way through the grinder 1364884;1452405169;pete_dushenski;wd all 1364885;1452405175;ben_vulpes;any idea what your wpm was, pete_dushenski? 1364886;1452405207;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: too slow to leave the film running 1364887;1452405215;pete_dushenski;many a stop and start were needed 1364888;1452405231;ben_vulpes;sounds like you need some pedals like trinque 1364889;1452405257;punkman;pro transcriptionists do use pedals 1364890;1452405276;pete_dushenski;thankfully, youtubes pause with the spacebar, so the mouse wasn't needed 1364891;1452405333;*;pete_dushenski reaches for cognac all the same 1364892;1452405341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.0004974 = 3.7056 BTC [-] 1364893;1452405360;ben_vulpes;saifedean, funkenstein_, and DiabloD3 - the list of dietary nutters grows... 1364894;1452405428;pete_dushenski;who was that last guy again ? 1364895;1452405441;pete_dushenski;;;seen diablod3 1364896;1452405441;gribble;diablod3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 16 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: its a work in progress 1364897;1452405602;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364863 << saif couldn't figure out pgpwin iirc 1364898;1452405602;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 05:33:16; asciilifeform: and wtf happened to his wot rating ?! 1364899;1452405709;mircea_popescu;win ?! 1364900;1452405717;mircea_popescu;now there's a worthy cause, de-win one's diet. 1364901;1452405721;ben_vulpes;a winrar is he 1364902;1452405792;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364834 << remember tiberius? 1364903;1452405792;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 05:26:59; mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same. 1364904;1452405796;ben_vulpes;rip tiberius 1364905;1452405807;mircea_popescu;anyway, diablo-d3 is a guy that did some work on one of the earliest independent miners (ie, gpu based not cpu based like the origian client), then followed up with a lulzy explosion at tardstalk over his plan to collect 1mn btc which "the community" owed him, and then use it to build some fantastic datacenter-cum-powerplant altogether reminescent of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/ 1364906;1452405808;assbot;Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdE3sU ) 1364907;1452405832;pete_dushenski;lolk 1364908;1452405853;mircea_popescu;after that didn't happen he had a moment of butthurt, then moved on to dealing in partnering up with usagi and giving away with both hands the few k's of btcs he did somehow collect (at the time btc was like 2 bux) in exchange for ridiculously valued worthless paper, 1364909;1452405859;mircea_popescu;after which he pretty much disappeared. 1364910;1452405907;ben_vulpes;anyways it's not cake at issue, it's kakolate ice cream 1364911;1452405920;pete_dushenski;!gettrust diablod3 1364912;1452405920;assbot;diablod3 is not registered in WoT. 1364913;1452405924;mircea_popescu;actually... iirc he did manage to get some asicminer shares at some point, which for a period were deemed worthless, but which then came up once they delivered and made his investors whole, or maybe close to it, or at least so he claimed at the time. 1364914;1452405928;mircea_popescu;altogether not impossible. 1364915;1452405933;pete_dushenski;!gettrust usagi 1364916;1452405934;assbot;Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user usagi: Level 1: -5, Level 2: -5 via 5 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=usagi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/usagi/ 1364917;1452406106;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the people following the nutrition discussion along at home : the average human needs something to the tune of 2k calories a day to sit around and derp on social media. a little more if he actually moves. the sources of these calories can be protein, fat or sweets, there is nothing else. protein and sweets count at about 4 calories/gram, fat at about 7. the liver has a fixed capacity to process proteins, at 1364918;1452406106;mircea_popescu; about 150-200 grams a day. there is similarly a fixed capacity to process fats. these also go through the liver, but mostly the bile is the limiting factor there. meanwhile sweets go through the pancreatic-centered insulin mechanism. 1364919;1452406135;mircea_popescu;it should be obvious that one wants a mix of these three sources in their diet. (starches, such as breads etc, are all sweets for thid discussion, so is alcohol). 1364920;1452406194;mircea_popescu;the limits are that on one hand you certainly can not have no fat and live ; and on the other the brain burns glucose exclusively. it is about 20 times more difficult to make it out of fat than it is to just rectify sugars, but the body'll do it if it has to. 1364921;1452406294;mircea_popescu;similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live. 1364922;1452406444;mircea_popescu;that said, the only certainty is that one day it'll fail to bring you back to homeostasis, and that's that. 1364923;1452406599;ben_vulpes;stay in your performance envelope, hotshot. 1364924;1452406613;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364239 << "The odds of winning are 1 in 292.2 million. So the expected value of a ticket is $800*1/292.2=$2.73. A ticket only costs $2 so that’s a positive expected value purchase! We do have to make a few adjustments, however. The $800 million is paid out over 30 years while the $2 is paid out today." 1364925;1452406613;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2016 18:52:52; BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz? 1364926;1452406613;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1364927;1452406772;BingoBoingo;The people who end up on all fats for fuel end up having to feed the brain ketones which works as an anticonvulsant, but for the same reason alcohol does. Unbalance electrical activity in the brain is forced to slow because now burning suboptimal fuel. 1364928;1452406785;BingoBoingo;Which induces a bunch of other changes. 1364929;1452406832;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, sean penn is a secret agent http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/el-chapo-speaks-20160109 1364930;1452406833;assbot;El Chapo Speaks | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdFgkf ) 1364931;1452406863;pete_dushenski;^el chapo, yes, has since been recaptured 1364932;1452406872;BingoBoingo;Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal) 1364933;1452406948;mircea_popescu;that also. 1364934;1452406966;*;BingoBoingo apologizes for not being around to say this to the addicts, was at addict story time club poker game doubling my quarters. 1364935;1452407033;BingoBoingo;But yes, when the ketosis people talk about feeling sick when consuming carbs they really are feeling sick. Dope sick, just like a junkie dosed with narcan. 1364936;1452407057;pete_dushenski;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1239608/posts << relevant sean pennery 1364937;1452407059;assbot;SEAN PENN RIPS 'TEAM AMERICA' CREATORS IN ANGRY MEMO ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdFw2F ) 1364938;1452407443;BingoBoingo;!up bitstein 1364939;1452407601;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364538 << this title made me think immediately of nintendo's 'virtual boy' 1364940;1452407601;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 03:21:26; punkman: http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels 1364941;1452407621;pete_dushenski;re: virtual boy, this is why the oculus rift this ~will not~ take off 1364942;1452407640;pete_dushenski;unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ? 1364943;1452407669;pete_dushenski;virtual boy was, afaik, a sales disaster 1364944;1452407747;pete_dushenski;though i recall playing with one at the store as a boy, quite an intriguing bit of kit at the time 1364945;1452407760;pete_dushenski;being 21 years ago... 1364946;1452407800;bitstein;I had one when it came out for about 2 hours. We took it back and got a super nintendo. 1364947;1452407840;*;pete_dushenski checks ebay. sees that virtual boy is still dirt cheap. figures that, indeed, thing must have been utter garbage. 1364948;1452407849;*;BingoBoingo also floored by the dairy hate, WHERE ELSE DOES WHEY COME FROM??? 1364949;1452407854;pete_dushenski;bitstein: heads up play 1364950;1452407972;pete_dushenski;heya bitstein, you ever figure out what happened to your boy pierre ? seemed like he went off the reservation of late re: 1364951;1452407976;pete_dushenski;'core devs' 1364952;1452407983;pete_dushenski;and 'unlimited' or some shit 1364953;1452408025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7530 @ 0.00048791 = 3.674 BTC [-] {2} 1364954;1452408246;*;BingoBoingo thinks it was mere trolling. He was pushing this 1MB blocksize limit is preserved when blocksize limit removed enitrely because consensus. 1364955;1452408284;pete_dushenski;not impossible 1364956;1452408300;pete_dushenski;the trolling theory, not the 'consensus' 1364957;1452408383;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The idea is the burden of "consensus" forces the status quo 1MB blocksize to be preserved 1364958;1452408591;bitstein;it's an interesting idea 1364959;1452408611;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364575 << today, sure. 90 years ago, however... 1364960;1452408611;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp. 1364961;1452408613;BingoBoingo;;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that. 1364962;1452408613;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1364963;1452408619;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b27 1364964;1452408639;pete_dushenski;^balls o' steel 1364965;1452408732;BingoBoingo; it's an interesting idea << It's how I'm interpreting Pierre's twitter trolling. Anyways it is hard to hold people to what they say on the social media playground of propagandaneering 1364966;1452408958;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364687 << advice for the ages. 1364967;1452408958;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 04:31:31; mircea_popescu: less reading more suckling ok ? 1364968;1452409105;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364713 << quebec is only canadian province, probably because their laws are a little more 'flexible' than the rest. or maybe just because they're not ~complete~ puritanical riris. 1364969;1452409105;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 04:42:13; danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm 1364970;1452409217;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364718 << unpasteurised milk is also key for making the best perogy cheese 1364971;1452409217;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 04:44:46; mircea_popescu: certainly can make your own curds. 1364972;1452409245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7661 @ 0.00049247 = 3.7728 BTC [+] {2} 1364973;1452409371;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b26 1364974;1452409531;ben_vulpes;someone has opinions about the curve 1364975;1452409535;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364815 << stoics, ashoka, etc. 1364976;1452409535;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 05:24:10; *: asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures' 1364977;1452409714;BingoBoingo;Pythagoreans et al 1364978;1452409862;ben_vulpes;guarding plebs from the madness of irrational numbers! 1364979;1452409880;BingoBoingo;Also weird dietary rules 1364980;1452409902;*;BingoBoingo up on every bet tonight, but powerball 1364981;1452409981;BingoBoingo;Hockey underdog whose trend demanded a bet won, more than doubled my quarters at poker, powerball though... scam 1364982;1452410011;pete_dushenski;!up ith 1364983;1452410068;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1364984;1452410074;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.0, vol: 4192.40870118 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 442.744, vol: 4910.58495 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.39, vol: 9429.25670172 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.421 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.511617, vol: 44346.65710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.11953, vol: 51.25769428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.0373, vol: 14.33694003 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1364985;1452410079;BingoBoingo;;;more 1364986;1452410079;gribble;446.166301563 1364987;1452410135;pete_dushenski;ith: you from alberta or bc ? 1364988;1452410145;ith;pete_dushenski: BC 1364989;1452410161;pete_dushenski;coast ? 1364990;1452410184;ith;What year is it? :) 1364991;1452410191;ith;Middle of BC 1364992;1452410198;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b24 1364993;1452410200;ith;Though south 1364994;1452410214;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/77188/new-yorkers-can-now-be-fined-250000-for-not-using-loony-pronouns-like-ze-and-hir 1364995;1452410215;assbot;New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir” ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdJMiw ) 1364996;1452410254;pete_dushenski;ith: kelowna ? kamloops ? 1364997;1452410269;ith;pete_dushenski: Vernon 1364998;1452410283;pete_dushenski;ah neat. i have an aunt there. 1364999;1452410302;ith;I think Vernon is an Illuminati support city. Is your aunt a psychopath? 1365000;1452410318;pete_dushenski;hm. y'know now that you mention it 1365001;1452410339;BingoBoingo;Frome the mines, health scamzors getting poor: "Move over, quinoa, kale, and aa 2016s newest superfood might come in a familiar package (or can). Pulses the dried edible seeds of legume plants, which include things like lentils, dried peas, and beans are hoping to get their moment in the spotlight, thanks in part to a United Nations campaign to make 2016 the International Year of Pulses." 1365002;1452410375;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: saw the same 'pulses' suggestion in cbc's article on grocery store inflation 1365003;1452410417;pete_dushenski;ith: so what keeps you busy in vernon ? pretty sleepy little town last i was through 1365004;1452410512;ith;pete_dushenski: I am being held prisoner by the Illuminati and can't escape. All day I try to survive relentlous attacks on my mind from my mother, my father and others who speak to me from the apartment downstairs, and manipulate me by directing messages to me (appearing to be speaking to a caller), in the case of my father, from the living room 1365005;1452410525;ith;I struggle daily to survive and find a way to be free of these people 1365006;1452410547;ith;(on the phone) 1365007;1452410570;pete_dushenski;from mr. reed, who unfortunately doesn't have a comments section with which to correct his lack of 'bahamas' : "I’m going to move to Mexico. I swear I am. Except that I already have. Well, I’m going to move there twice. It’s to get away from Hussein Obama." 1365008;1452410578;BingoBoingo;Have you tired risperidone ith 1365009;1452410585;ith;They have stolen my brain code and use electromagnetic weapons to manipulate me by making it appear that sounds are coming from beneath concrete floors, etc. to try to drive me crazy 1365010;1452410591;pete_dushenski;!down ith 1365011;1452410591;ith;:( 1365012;1452410720;ben_vulpes;haw 1365013;1452410726;ben_vulpes;> brain codes 1365014;1452410853;*;pete_dushenski to his warm bed 1365015;1452411380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7342 @ 0.0004891 = 3.591 BTC [-] {2} 1365016;1452411502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18383 @ 0.00049046 = 9.0161 BTC [+] {3} 1365017;1452411563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25767 @ 0.00050067 = 12.9008 BTC [+] {3} 1365018;1452412692;deedbot-;[Qntra] USG Makes Tired Sheriff Face Of Oregon Operations - http://qntra.net/2016/01/usg-makes-tired-sheriff-face-of-oregon-operations/ 1365019;1452412758;BingoBoingo;^ Good use of picture? yes or no? 1365020;1452412928;BingoBoingo;Research-a-lol "The Associated Press has gone from describing the protesters as a militia to armed men or armed ranchers, saying the word militia confuses its international audience." >> https://www.rt.com/usa/328143-oregon-militia-occupation-land-rights/ 1365021;1452412929;assbot;Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMFHpY ) 1365022;1452412960;BingoBoingo;Because oh, militant opposition groups aren't for the United States. They are only for Countries they CIA plants them in. 1365023;1452413210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050155 = 1.2539 BTC [+] {3} 1365024;1452413708;BingoBoingo;Same link on Oathers: "A local Committee for Safety, which coordinates with Oath Keepers, has approached the protesters and asked them to leave." 1365025;1452414720;ben_vulpes;trinque: yeah those failed boost targets are a real bitch 1365026;1452418700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9112 @ 0.00049793 = 4.5371 BTC [-] {2} 1365027;1452419188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2532 @ 0.00049686 = 1.258 BTC [-] {2} 1365028;1452421518;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.06907224 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b14 1365029;1452422543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00050209 = 1.1046 BTC [+] {2} 1365030;1452426630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3130 @ 0.0005021 = 1.5716 BTC [+] 1365031;1452428955;copypaste;will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client? 1365032;1452428971;copypaste;(i mean thebitcoin.foundation, not any fake one) 1365033;1452429559;adlai;copypaste: i don't speak on their behalf, but it's highly doubtful that it'll include such opt-in softforks 1365034;1452429630;copypaste;i think they should make a statement on it if it gets into Bitcoin "Core", since it seems to have wide support (but this support could just be imaginary on my part) 1365035;1452429651;adlai;you must have missed a few trilema/qntra articles? 1365036;1452429652;copypaste;i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it, 1365037;1452429718;copypaste;adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation? 1365038;1452429722;adlai;eh, proportion of transactions is an unclear measure. proportion of utxos is a clearer one, and you can see that eg p2sh still has quite small market share, despite being adopted by several fiat-btc exchange sites 1365039;1452429772;adlai;no, the foundation issues its own statements, such as: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html 1365040;1452429774;assbot;[BTC-dev] Regarding Transaction Signatures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6slVY ) 1365041;1452429806;copypaste;right, but i'm pretty sure that script hash transactions are something that has to be opted into, meanwhile "segregated witness" if to work "well" (i.e. for maximum transactions) would have to be invisible to the user, as in on by default 1365042;1452429828;copypaste;so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core. 1365043;1452429836;copypaste;but you have to take specific steps to send to a script hash 1365044;1452429913;adlai;if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk 1365045;1452429977;adlai;copypaste: you may want to read https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012014.html as well, it explains possible failure modes for people who don't recognize softforks such as segwit 1365046;1452429980;assbot;[bitcoin-dev] On the security of softforks ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGNgc0 ) 1365047;1452430026;copypaste;thank you, i will 1365048;1452430033;adlai;what happens with segwit is that people who do opt-in, have significantly less security in the face of miner defection 1365049;1452430055;adlai;miner defection can't steal from people who didn't opt-in, although it causes reorganizations and general headless-chicken-panic 1365050;1452430517;adlai;copypaste: also check out http://p2sh.info/ which I like to interpret as the bounties available to defecting miners, should full nodes let them revert each respective soft fork 1365051;1452430518;assbot;Grafana ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGNOhY ) 1365052;1452431754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0005014 = 7.1199 BTC [-] {4} 1365053;1452434151;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364942 << foucault had a point huh. 1365054;1452434151;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 06:34:00; pete_dushenski: unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ? 1365055;1452434287;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364961 << ironically enough, in classical ro medicine (ie, pre 1990) ketonic bodies in bloodstream was part of the semiology manual. 1365056;1452434287;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 06:50:13; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that. 1365057;1452434348;mircea_popescu;mostly because type 1 diabetes 1365058;1452434377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13625 @ 0.00050276 = 6.8501 BTC [+] {5} 1365059;1452434854;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364995 << ahahaha what the everloving fuck. 1365060;1452434854;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 07:16:55; assbot: New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir” ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdJMiw ) 1365061;1452434906;mircea_popescu;"Apologists for this kind of SJW fascism will contend that the $250,000 fine is not mandatory and is a maximum, as if it somehow eliminates the farce of the laws new interpretation." << you know, consensus will enforce the lower limit. 1365062;1452434907;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. 1365063;1452434963;mircea_popescu;everyone still living in new york must now use "Blasioisanidiotmarriedtoadisgustingnigger" as my preferred gender pronoun. failure to do so "more than a couple of times" means you gotta self-report yourself to city hall. bring your fine with you. 1365064;1452435121;mircea_popescu;anyway, all the lulz aside, someone point out to the guy that the guidance is for employers and other "covered entitites", and his "quarelling couple in a bar" chosen example is entirely nonsensical. what the fuck is with these idiots, nobody went to school that speaks english ? a fucking generation of kelly bundys out there for the love of christ. 1365065;1452435366;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365019 << not bad. 1365066;1452435366;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 07:59:18; BingoBoingo: ^ Good use of picture? yes or no? 1365067;1452435389;mircea_popescu;"who normally presides over a force of local force of six," nevertheless. 1365068;1452435409;mircea_popescu;lemme re-do this entire thing for ya. 1365069;1452435472;mircea_popescu;" Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of local force of six, is the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal forces." becomes "Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of locally forced six is now the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal Force IV." 1365070;1452435475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00050385 = 1.6879 BTC [+] 1365071;1452435541;mircea_popescu;and add a ((Mark to be pronounced "Carl" not "four")) on that IV 1365072;1452436337;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu never sleeps 1365073;1452436352;mircea_popescu;i sleep through representatives. 1365074;1452436613;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365021 << hahaha check it out! blockstream and whoever else have reached consensus!!11 1365075;1452436613;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 08:02:09; assbot: Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMFHpY ) 1365076;1452436614;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1365077;1452436697;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365037 see http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter.html 1365078;1452436697;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 12:41:58; copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation? 1365079;1452436697;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/22TK2I1 ) 1365080;1452436704;mircea_popescu;lot of other good stuff on that site. 1365081;1452436783;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365042 << they may use it up until they run into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2016#1360917 1365082;1452436783;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 12:43:48; copypaste: so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core. 1365083;1452436783;assbot;Logged on 05-01-2016 19:28:40; mircea_ahoy: direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools. 1365084;1452436832;mircea_popescu;seeing how exactly 100% of bitcoin businesses are run by people here, it'll be a funny dispute between you know, the actual bitcoin people and all the derps sitting at the edges and opining about how things should be. 1365085;1452437092;thestringpuller;that's what's irking me about the softfork nuclear option 1365086;1452437130;thestringpuller;aka http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012073.html 1365087;1452437173;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365036 << like they, and everyone else in the indistinct usg hydra, reacts every single time this happens, as it does weekly by now : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 1365088;1452437173;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 12:40:52; copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it, 1365089;1452437173;assbot;Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. 1365090;1452437238;thestringpuller;"An interesting consequence of this design is that, since all mapped blocks are empty, old clients will never see transactions confirming." << there are proposed soft forks which will essentially fork other nodes off the network. 1365091;1452437268;shinohai;thestringpuller: any luck with your node? 1365092;1452437272;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller there is fundamentally nothing wrong with people using the permanence nature of the blockchain to enshrine data relevant to them in it. we do it already, with deedbot. 1365093;1452437310;mircea_popescu;you could say that there is something fundamentally wrong with the fraudulent nature of their claims - because no, they're not moving bitcoin back and forth, but mere derivative tokens - but then again, to get the muppets to follow along and get out of actual human beings' way, you usually have to lie to them. 1365094;1452437324;mircea_popescu;i am glad these dudes are here to do the lying so i don't have to, and with that... good riddance. 1365095;1452437348;mircea_popescu;if all the coffee buying "with bitcoin", all five of the yearly instances, moves on a deedbot-like thing or simply goes away it makes exactly 0 difference. 1365096;1452437400;thestringpuller;this is fine as long as my future trb node can witness transactions being confirmed that it broadcasted. 1365097;1452437420;thestringpuller;if I broadcast tx and have to use block explorer or god forbid "upgrade" to see it confirm, then I take issue 1365098;1452437460;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it will. 1365099;1452437487;thestringpuller;shinohai: i gave mod6 access to my box for further diagnostics 1365100;1452437488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8880 @ 0.00050098 = 4.4487 BTC [-] {4} 1365101;1452437529;thestringpuller;imo this is why TRB Foundation is so important. it not only decrufts the shitty code but acts as defenders of the blockchain 1365102;1452437529;shinohai;Oh awesum. zzzzzzzzztook me a little longer to get a VM up than I thought, I'm in the process of upgrading to new lappy. 1365103;1452437534;mircea_popescu;this said, it has to be pointed out that the one thing all these derps have in common is - that they can not afford to pay for the hardware that is required to run their software they've "contributed". (and re this, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2016#1360176 is apropos.) in this sense the economic freestanding value of their "contributions" is null. 1365104;1452437534;assbot;Logged on 04-01-2016 15:58:10; mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve". 1365105;1452437568;mircea_popescu;their projective ability to control the future is also absent, for this reason. consequently, it is not in any sense inconceivable that a situation will come to pass where the maintenance of their derpage requires resources nobody wishes to expend. 1365106;1452437588;mircea_popescu;if that happens, all the "Soft forks" get reverted on the spot, and all the "hard work" and "contributions" go to the same place windows nt codebase went. 1365107;1452437610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00049702 = 4.1998 BTC [-] {2} 1365108;1452437612;thestringpuller;yes. and as I told my mom "We can't have nice things cause there are stupid people who ruin it for everyone", i think bitcoin solves this problem effectively, but must stay ever vigilant 1365109;1452437612;mircea_popescu;clearly whether this happens or not is purely a matter of accident, which is to say a matter of time - all the pr derps can do exactly nothing to influence it any way 1365110;1452437635;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, "contributing" to bitcoin outside of b-a / tmsr is a pure and objectively declared waste of time. 1365111;1452437650;thestringpuller;^- this exactly. 1365112;1452437662;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, 0/0 is still an undefined value - inasmuch as their time and effort is actually worthless then it can not be argued that they should stop what they're currentlyu doing. 1365113;1452437666;mircea_popescu;so... all is well. 1365114;1452437674;thestringpuller;and all will be well. 1365115;1452437699;thestringpuller;shinohai: you are going to run the VM on the laptop? 1365116;1452437717;thestringpuller;i think the issue is with my machine architecture. 1365117;1452438047;shinohai;thestringpuller: yup, was going to try and emulate that CPU you showed me. Not sure abt the rest of the architecture tho :/ 1365118;1452438270;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365044 << no, not "everyone". 1365119;1452438270;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 12:45:13; adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk 1365120;1452438299;mircea_popescu;miner defection from any and all non-trb approved soft forks is a ~GUARANTEE~ in the future. just a question of when. 1365121;1452438336;mircea_popescu;and if anyone imagines the "you wouldn't be willing to hurt innocents" is going to hold worth one stitch, please kindly review the history of accidental payments to bitbet and all that. 1365122;1452438366;mircea_popescu;if a billion people starve because their thousands of btc got stolen by greedy miners who saw an opportunity to revert a soft fork and took it - i'll cheer them on. that's a billion idiots less, and an absolutely ideal end state. 1365123;1452438432;mircea_popescu;actually, come to think of it... 1365124;1452438454;thestringpuller;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-7033 << ultimately it's a resource war TMSR definitely has upperhand here 1365125;1452438471;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. 1365126;1452438709;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0Y29GH1.txt 1365127;1452438710;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGWqFl ) 1365128;1452438711;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1365129;1452439045;kakobrekla;how are the bb payouts going btw ? 1365130;1452439093;mircea_popescu;bout 60% done by now. 1365131;1452439098;mircea_popescu;expect to finish today. 1365132;1452439182;kakobrekla;great, good to hear angry emails will end soon 1365133;1452439191;mircea_popescu;sorry bout that. 1365134;1452439212;kakobrekla;shit happens 1365135;1452439213;mircea_popescu;how many did you get ? 1365136;1452439228;kakobrekla;a few every day 1365137;1452439295;kakobrekla;the funniest was "pls hurry im traveling and out of cash" 1365138;1452439300;kakobrekla;great planning there. 1365139;1452439302;mircea_popescu;bejoysus 1365140;1452439311;mircea_popescu;what if you know, the bet went the other way. 1365141;1452439318;kakobrekla;mhm 1365142;1452439348;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people arguing absurdities on bet resolutions like it happens now and again are actually you know, stranded in an airport somewhere and got nothing better to do until the battery runs out. 1365143;1452439360;kakobrekla;lol 1365144;1452439373;kakobrekla;its a percentage. 1365145;1452440254;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/ac8c70f43411f20b384d6706e6ccb8a7/tumblr_ni0h5ywctv1twb3ixo1_1280.jpg 1365146;1452440255;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGYVHT ) 1365147;1452440610;mircea_popescu;oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. 1365148;1452440881;mircea_popescu;and in random old shit, http://www.bytecollector.com/the_digital_group.htm 1365149;1452440883;assbot;The Digital Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGZPnG ) 1365150;1452440894;copypaste;i understand. thank you guys. i can't believe so called coredevs are supporting something which has such obvious problem as defecting miners dumping all transactions that follow the new rules. wtf. 1365151;1452440910;copypaste;and then collecting all the fees. lol 1365152;1452440960;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365147 << wai wut ?! 1365153;1452440960;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. 1365154;1452440975;copypaste;so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises 1365155;1452440988;copypaste;how can the "core" devs not see the obvious flaw in this stupidplan? 1365156;1452441009;mircea_popescu;they are doing exactly the same thing they do with their every waking move : banking on the ultimately doomed proposition that "this ledge will hold". 1365157;1452441018;mircea_popescu;what do they do when they pay taxes ? put money in 401k ? 1365158;1452441025;mircea_popescu;same thing. it's what it is. it's what they get. 1365159;1452441042;mircea_popescu;whence would come such a sudden and complete change for the masses ? there is no such thing. 1365160;1452441054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for srs. ask around! 1365161;1452441064;asciilifeform;ask who? the trees? the grass ? 1365162;1452441069;copypaste;but are the core developers really the "masses"? 1365163;1452441079;copypaste;there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent 1365164;1452441110;mircea_popescu;intelligence has little to do with it, as it happens. 1365165;1452441148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00049702 = 3.7277 BTC [-] 1365166;1452441240;mircea_popescu;in fact... "there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent" is not unlike saying "this cow doesn't belong in the pen, it gives a lot of milk which is rare". whether it goes in the pen or puts the would-be farmer in the pen strictly depends on how willing to http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shoot+cop the cow finds itself. 1365167;1452441241;assbot;8 results for 'shoot cop' - #bitcoin-assets search 1365168;1452441368;copypaste;i see. it's all about mindset, and their mindset is all wrong. 1365169;1452441378;mircea_popescu;quite. 1365170;1452441410;mircea_popescu;in other words, intelligence is no bar against stupidity. they may be as intelligent as you wish, but certainly dumb as rocks. and so... 1365171;1452441638;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365154 << amusingly enough, asciilifeform has been saying (in general terms) that this is the inexorable future for the river of meat since 4eva. 1365172;1452441638;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 15:49:35; copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises 1365173;1452441734;copypaste;the funny thing is, to hear them describe it (luke jr, wuille, antonopolous, and so on) "segwit" (cute name) has no problems whatsoever and softforks are perfectly safe so everyone should start throwing their coins into segwit transactions so as to make the overall "capacity" of the network go up 1365174;1452441761;copypaste;i haven't seen one mention of the miner defection problem anywhere but b-a 1365175;1452441769;copypaste;even though it's such an obvious flaw ... 1365176;1452441794;mircea_popescu;and then they get hits called on their stupid heads and "nobody" understands why. 1365177;1452441796;mircea_popescu;guess. 1365178;1452441858;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you were around for / recall this, but after i singlehandedly nixed the original "block expansion" almost a year ago to the day, they spent A FUCKING YEAR 1365179;1452441877;mircea_popescu;pretending that a) didn't happen and then latter that b) if it happened it didn't matter and then even later that c) they did it anyway by themselves!!1 1365180;1452441898;mircea_popescu;much to the amusement of everyone in the know. 1365181;1452441900;copypaste;lol, which caused the xtcoin scam 1365182;1452441978;copypaste;so that's why at first they were all in support of raising the blocksize, but then they all turned against gavin 1365183;1452441981;copypaste;MP strikes again 1365184;1452441989;mircea_popescu;there is something fundamentally wrong with people, intelligent or otherwise, who can't simply come out and say "mp said no, so it can't be done". just like there's something fundamentally wrong with people who can't simply come out and say "i tried pissing upwind and staying dry - it doesn't work". 1365185;1452442612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8316 @ 0.00049769 = 4.1388 BTC [+] 1365186;1452442785;funkenstein_;good morning coin collectors 1365187;1452442930;asciilifeform;achtung panzerz! brief scheduled outage on zoolag, starting now. 1365188;1452442981;mircea_popescu;hola mr dwarf. how goes ? 1365189;1452443000;funkenstein_;good good, thank you :) 1365190;1452443047;funkenstein_;ascii is right I sympathize with saifedean and recommend a video "the business of being born" 1365191;1452443080;funkenstein_;but I imagine I should hold off on exposing you to further of my dietary nuttery 1365192;1452443158;mircea_popescu;i dun think the part about how limiting excessive medical procedurizing is the core of sane medicine was at all controversial. 1365193;1452443173;mircea_popescu;heck, it's actually one of the oldest ideas in western thought. 1365194;1452443307;funkenstein_;mircea_popsescu, your comment about Cauchy-Schwarz has led me on some wild goose chases 1365195;1452443461;mircea_popescu;it's a basic tool for resolving certain problems in analysis. 1365196;1452443466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049769 = 5.9723 BTC [+] 1365197;1452443521;mircea_popescu;i dunno why the muricans don't recognize b's merits. he did the integral expansion which is the actual reason it's even useful. 1365198;1452443596;BingoBoingo; and add a ((Mark to be pronounced "Carl" not "four")) on that IV << fixed 1365199;1452443606;mircea_popescu;haha cool! 1365200;1452443696;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/upcycling/ 1365201;1452443696;assbot;Upcycling ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDvd63 ) 1365202;1452443839;mircea_popescu;ajhahaha excellent. 1365203;1452443893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29573 @ 0.00048742 = 14.4145 BTC [-] {9} 1365204;1452443988;mircea_popescu;from earlier link : "System Details 1365205;1452443988;mircea_popescu;This was the "Cadillac of computers". In 1975, when this system was introduced, Altair system owners were flipping switches for hours just to watch lights blink on the front panel of their systems. Digital Group system owners were throwing a power switch and loading an operating system in less than 20 seconds. The cassette interface, standard with DG systems, loaded programs at 1100 baud. At the time, this was nearly f 1365206;1452443988;mircea_popescu;our times the speed possible with any other manufacturers tape systems, and ten times faster than paper tape -- the only method available at the time for loading Micro Soft BASIC onto the Altair system. Of course, to even do that on an Altair, you had to buy a paper tape reader and an interface. Usually an ASR-33 Teletype and an SIO card. ($$$) By contrast, Digital Group systems included a video and cassette interface 1365207;1452443990;mircea_popescu;and a keyboard as standard equipment with all of their systems." 1365208;1452444016;mircea_popescu;that lisp company isn't the only thing to have sunk irrespective of immense tech advantages in the history of computing. 1365209;1452444053;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty much whole 'history of computing' is a story of ascendant charlatans peddling garbage while burying actual thinking folk selling to thinking folk 1365210;1452444063;mircea_popescu;aha 1365211;1452444071;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. << this one http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/#fn3-4718 It's cruel to point people to "BingoBoingo's Qntra Piece" without specifying which one, and as time goes on it will only become more cruel. 1365212;1452444072;assbot;The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDvW78 ) 1365213;1452444105;asciilifeform;but as in mircea_popescu's essay re: 'can't separate industry from maggotry', the era ~prior to that~ looked like univac and there was a market for mebbe 50 of them. 1365214;1452444106;asciilifeform;globally. 1365215;1452444118;mircea_popescu;" As the tape was read, the screen would fill with the HEX or OCTAL page high address of the byte being loaded, testing the memory content for correctly loaded data as each byte was saved." 1365216;1452444123;mircea_popescu;clearly very poor ux. 1365217;1452444138;mircea_popescu;(where "ux" means "making the user feel smart") 1365218;1452444311;mircea_popescu;"Digital Group also offered a very wide range of hardware accessories. If it was available to computer users at the time, it was available to DG system owners, and usually first. A users group of the time reported (and I confirmed in conversation with Dr. Suding) that within two weeks of the release of the Zilog Z80 chip samples, Dr. Suding had finalized the design for the Digital Group Z80 processor card, and had work 1365219;1452444311;mircea_popescu;ing systems on display at computer shows. Besting the closest competitor by weeks if not months. Contrast that with the common practice of the day, of running ads for a concept product, then using the money from the customer orders to develop the advertised hardware." 1365220;1452444534;mircea_popescu;and of course, alf's favourite part, "Popular until the very end, Digital Group failed in August of 1979 due to management and parts supplier troubles, not a lack of customer interest or product orders. Co-founder Dr. Robert Suding recalled that at the time of the bankruptcy, DG had thousands of product information requests and orders waiting to be filled." 1365221;1452444548;asciilifeform;entirely typical. 1365222;1452444572;asciilifeform;we don't actually know, afaik, how to make computers without maggotry. 1365223;1452444687;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i credit the "bad management" part a lot. 1365224;1452444714;mircea_popescu;it is bad management not to do a large number of various things that appear counter-intuitive to "intelligent" people. especially to the "civilised" metastasis thereof. 1365225;1452444721;mircea_popescu;!s stalin's kittens 1365226;1452444721;assbot;0 results for 'stalin's kittens' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stalin%27s+kittens 1365227;1452444735;asciilifeform;'when i am gone, they will strangle the lot of you like kittens' 1365228;1452444798;mircea_popescu;"blind as newborn kittens" 1365229;1452444917;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 31 March 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1214/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b13 1365230;1452445307;pete_dushenski;http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-cant-trust-what-you-read-about-nutrition/ << heh. apt given last night's conversations. 1365231;1452445309;assbot;You Can’t Trust What You Read About Nutrition | FiveThirtyEight ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDy6Us ) 1365232;1452445340;mircea_popescu;http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/695/946.jpg 1365233;1452445341;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDybHH ) 1365234;1452445343;pete_dushenski;"So we’re left with our original question: What is a healthy diet? We know the basics — we need sufficient calories and protein to keep our bodies alive. We need nutrients like vitamin C and iron. Beyond that, we may be overthinking it" 1365235;1452445359;pete_dushenski;"The takeaway, Archer said, is that our bodies are adaptable and pretty good at telling us what we need, if we can learn to listen." 1365236;1452445390;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364921 1365237;1452445390;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 06:11:34; mircea_popescu: similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live. 1365238;1452445449;mircea_popescu;heh check it out, consensus! 1365239;1452445507;pete_dushenski;with a fellow 'computationalist', no less 1365240;1452445510;pete_dushenski;"Edward Archer, a computational physiologist at the University of Alabama’s Nutrition Obesity Research Center in Birmingham" 1365241;1452445665;mircea_popescu;anyway, im in full agreement with the fellow on the "listen to body" angle. if one can shut up the stupid going on in his head long enough, absolutely amazing feats can be accomplished, such as knowing when to eat and what. 1365242;1452445665;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1365243;1452445781;pete_dushenski;quite 1365244;1452445784;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365031 <--> http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/ 1365245;1452445784;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 12:29:15; copypaste: will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client? 1365246;1452445785;assbot;There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S ) 1365247;1452445863;copypaste;pete_dushenski: you never seem online at an opportune time for me to tell you this. i think that you should develop your own style instead of copying MP's for contravex. contravex is a cheap knockoff at best to trilema. no one can surmount the original, i wouldn't dare even try writing in MP\s signature style. 1365248;1452445868;copypaste;just some food for thought :) 1365249;1452445907;pete_dushenski;lol there's always ;;later tell 1365250;1452445935;pete_dushenski;anyways, i'll copy (and paste) whom i please kthx 1365251;1452445936;copypaste;oh right, i forgot that command. i don't chat here often 1365252;1452446089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00048412 = 2.227 BTC [-] {2} 1365253;1452446198;mircea_popescu;http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/697/1d8.jpg 1365254;1452446200;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDzSoo ) 1365255;1452446225;mircea_popescu;http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/696/eaf.jpg fucking epic. 1365256;1452446226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDzWVi ) 1365257;1452446239;mircea_popescu;barbie i too can be a computer ideas woman!!1 1365258;1452446286;pete_dushenski;is that comic supposed to be... real ? 1365259;1452446292;*;pete_dushenski hopes it's satire 1365260;1452446328;mircea_popescu;http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/barbie-i-can-be-a-computer-engineer-parodies 1365261;1452446330;assbot;Barbie: I Can Be a Computer Engineer Parodies | Know Your Meme ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDAaM5 ) 1365262;1452446345;pete_dushenski;phew 1365263;1452446490;pete_dushenski;"Someone is betting $40,026 on the life of a 73-year-old lottery winner in Michigan. That amount was the highest bid Thursday in an online auction for a lottery prize that pays $1,000 a month, before taxes. But here's the hitch: The money is paid only as long as Donald Magett stays alive." 1365264;1452446509;pete_dushenski;^that winner'd better hope he's not drinking the tap water 1365265;1452446533;asciilifeform;achtung panzers: zoolag is back online. 1365266;1452446543;pete_dushenski;watch donald be dropped off weekly cases of bottled water. 1365267;1452446548;pete_dushenski;!s michigan water 1365268;1452446549;assbot;0 results for 'michigan water' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=michigan+water 1365269;1452446567;pete_dushenski;it was flint that had the lead poisoning wasn't it ? 1365270;1452446638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00048373 = 6.5275 BTC [-] {2} 1365271;1452447051;funkenstein_;http://www.kingmaker.net/deaddoctorstxt.html#start <-- not blanket endorsement but worth the read re: nutrition 1365272;1452447053;assbot;Dead Doctors Don't Lie by Dr. Joel Wallach ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDBBtT ) 1365273;1452447354;funkenstein_;"You can prevent, totally prevent, cardio myopathy for ten cents a day. And if we don't do it, we are malignant dumb, I like to call it. Malignant dumb if you don't take in ten cents a day of Selenium. It's a waste of your life. It's one of those landmines that you can avoid. 1365274;1452447403;funkenstein_;"The medical treatment of choice for cardio myopathy is a heart transplant, costs $750,000. I want you to think about that. They get the heart free from a donor, they get the blood free for the surgery from the relatives. They use $2.50 of suture material, and they charge you $750,000 for that procedure. Now 6 months ago in LA when they had the earthquake, they were putting people in jail for 60 and 90 days for price-gouging, for se 1365275;1452447404;funkenstein_;lling these terrified people a gallon of water for $4.00. They put them in jail for price-gouging, for selling them a gallon of water for four bucks. 1365276;1452447572;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365260 <<< Laughably, the BarbieOS webpage redirects now - listed for sale 1365277;1452447572;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 17:18:48; mircea_popescu: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/barbie-i-can-be-a-computer-engineer-parodies 1365278;1452447590;shinohai;Guess I'll have to compile trb on tinkerbell linux now 1365279;1452447638;pete_dushenski;heh 1365280;1452447683;mircea_popescu;eh that's rank nonsense. "they" have to spend twenty fucking years training to be doing this, and "they" aren't joe blow from the gun fair. 1365281;1452447816;pete_dushenski;waterboy is more than welcome to open his own heart transplant clinic, undercut the competition. go. do. 1365282;1452447835;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: where, in antarctica ? 1365283;1452447852;asciilifeform;operating penguins ? 1365284;1452447855;pete_dushenski;doesn't matter where 1365285;1452447865;asciilifeform;does matter, because jail. 1365286;1452447888;pete_dushenski;omg do it in your basement. make it a seekrit. 1365287;1452447893;mircea_popescu;you're not about to tell me that you want random derp to be competing for heart transplant customers on the basis of marketing 1365288;1452447894;mircea_popescu;do you ?! 1365289;1452447906;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the point is the skills, not the location 1365290;1452447923;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: and after the first corpse ? 1365291;1452447931;mircea_popescu;no bro he got mad skills from watching the nature channel. just like all the other tardstalk ceobusinessmen 1365292;1452447953;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: then other idiots learn that 750k isn't such a bad deal ? 1365293;1452447969;asciilifeform;learn how ? 1365294;1452447980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048936 = 4.5021 BTC [+] {2} 1365295;1452447981;asciilifeform;at the hanging ? 1365296;1452448023;pete_dushenski;second patient knew the first 1365297;1452448031;pete_dushenski;fatties with bad hearts are all bffs 1365298;1452448218;mircea_popescu;getting back to sanity, selenium is an essential micronutrient and not that hard to get. eat moar beats. 1365299;1452448232;pete_dushenski;copypaste: furthermore, how'd you know that i wasn't an acultured asshole before reading trilema ? not that i deny the influence, but that's not entirely the point. the point is... how'd you know ? maybe being "mean" (or however you'd describe mp's style) is a cause of hanging around b-a, and not an effect, y'know ? 1365300;1452448277;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: beets too 1365301;1452448290;pete_dushenski;beats are by dre 1365302;1452448292;mircea_popescu;aha 1365303;1452448340;pete_dushenski;or maybe 'eating beats' is what dre calls it when his 'cheeks get pounded' or what was it 1365304;1452448360;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359657 1365305;1452448360;assbot;Logged on 03-01-2016 15:23:46; mircea_popescu: thought you were smart. You still dumb. If I want to pound some butt, I could do a woman. Im a bisexual because I like to get my cheekbones blown out. I like to get pounded in the butt. 1365306;1452448386;pete_dushenski;'cheekbones blown out'... now there's a visual. 1365307;1452448540;pete_dushenski;s/acultured/cultured. hm. dunno why that first one sounded right. it's definitely wrong. 1365308;1452448552;pete_dushenski;how ironic 1365309;1452448720;mircea_popescu;you can have acultural or uncultured. 1365310;1452448851;pete_dushenski;and these'd be different or the same ? 1365311;1452448916;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365147 << as usual, about 2-3 years too late 1365312;1452448916;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. 1365313;1452448958;pete_dushenski;make that 5. steve died in 2011. 1365314;1452449001;pete_dushenski;"but jobs planned out the next 5 years of products so the company is still in good hands even though he's dead" 1365315;1452449007;pete_dushenski;ya, well, time's up, kiddies 1365316;1452449011;asciilifeform;monopolies don't 'fail' in the way a corner restaurant might. 1365317;1452449046;pete_dushenski;apple will fail like government motors failed 1365318;1452449056;asciilifeform;there were other car makers. 1365319;1452449078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6157 @ 0.00048628 = 2.994 BTC [-] {2} 1365320;1452449078;pete_dushenski;there are other ph0ne makers 1365321;1452449088;asciilifeform;there are no other non-microshit pc makers or non-turdroid pnohe makers. 1365322;1452449092;mircea_popescu;apple is a monopoly in the sense qq.com is a monopoly. you... never heard of it. 1365323;1452449098;asciilifeform;it is a motherfucking monopoly. 1365324;1452449098;mircea_popescu;samsung makes cheaper, better tablets. 1365325;1452449102;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361677 1365326;1452449102;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 21:57:20; pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing 1365327;1452449102;asciilifeform;turdroid. 1365328;1452449109;mircea_popescu;nobody asked you, tho. 1365329;1452449114;mircea_popescu;the whole thing is turdoid. 1365330;1452449114;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu actually used a turdroid ? 1365331;1452449123;mircea_popescu;i have no love for portables. 1365332;1452449146;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what pc's do you imagine anyone under 60 is buying at this point ? 1365333;1452449180;asciilifeform;!s suspend mode 1365334;1452449181;assbot;10 results for 'suspend mode' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suspend+mode 1365335;1452449192;mircea_popescu;i thought we were discussing the fucking ipad. 1365336;1452449198;pete_dushenski;gray-haired men, yes, buy new crapple. that's it. walk into 'apple store' and look who is at 'genius bar' 1365337;1452449203;mircea_popescu;you were talking about some obscure desktop thing apple perhaps still makes ?! 1365338;1452449217;*;pete_dushenski referring to imac 1365339;1452449225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i work at megacorp that is more or less 100% mb pro 1365340;1452449235;asciilifeform;and not the only such 1365341;1452449373;asciilifeform;'mac' is, quite monopolistically, the only USABLE-for-development portable unix box presently sold, and the ios boxen - the only non-infested-five-minutes-after-uncrating pocket computers presently sold. 1365342;1452449418;asciilifeform;and yes, jobs is dead, and the hardware is going to shit, i recently spent 4 hours trying to make a deterministic model of what the 'spaces' window manager does with 3 displays active, to no avail 1365343;1452449429;asciilifeform;and the machine is 2 weeks old and already making peculiar grinding noises 1365344;1452449442;asciilifeform;but this does not change the fact of monopoly. 1365345;1452449470;asciilifeform;see obligatory turd, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 1365346;1452449472;assbot;Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 ) 1365347;1452449487;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a flying fuck about making desktops when discussing the apple failure. 1365348;1452449497;mircea_popescu;if it sheds 99.4% oif its market cap and preserves the tiny thing you're interested in, 1365349;1452449506;mircea_popescu;you'll say "nothing happened, as predicted, because monopoly" 1365350;1452449521;mircea_popescu;and the world will say "omfg apple is finished. what a crater." 1365351;1452449535;asciilifeform;actually it would be a very interesting thing if it finally died. somebody might start making actual commercial unix boxes again. 1365352;1452449542;trinque;worth noting here that Google is rumbling about moving into PCs 1365353;1452449543;asciilifeform;ones that work. 1365354;1452449551;asciilifeform;'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground' or what was it. 1365355;1452449555;mircea_popescu;yeah, after cardano ships. 1365356;1452449566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00048628 = 3.0582 BTC [-] 1365357;1452449599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sadly i have not yet discovered how to make pentium in my kitchen. 1365358;1452449636;mircea_popescu;well... im gonna tell the investors you're working on it nevertheless. 1365359;1452449647;mircea_popescu;and it'll be based on triforce numbers or something. 1365360;1452449776;asciilifeform;l0lz 1365361;1452449777;mircea_popescu;trinque their bid to take over internet infrastructure altogether is apparently a little stalled. 1365362;1452449786;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Too much selenium is bad though, makes a person stink. Even thiols can't apporach the stink of selenium compounds 1365363;1452449864;trinque;mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook 1365364;1452449871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3089 @ 0.00048331 = 1.4929 BTC [-] {2} 1365365;1452450054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3741 @ 0.00048473 = 1.8134 BTC [+] {2} 1365366;1452450055;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook << For on this try to find the web presence of any 'Murican Militia organization 1365367;1452450067;pete_dushenski;http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/tom-kott-get-quebec-out-of-my-married-name << "“There is a new generation of women raised in an equal society who don’t feel threatened by men. For them, taking their husband’s name doesn’t mean living under their husband’s shadow.” Clearly, the dominance of cultural paternalism was replaced by government paternalism in this scheme, and no one has been left b 1365368;1452450069;assbot;Tom Kott: Quebec’s ‘married name’ law is paternalistic and dumb | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1K78vOF ) 1365369;1452450069;pete_dushenski;etter off — then, or now." 1365370;1452450075;BingoBoingo;Excluding Oathkeepers and other known USG moles 1365371;1452450094;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in a very meaningful sense, these organizations DO NOT EXIST except in meatspace. because they have no pgp. 1365372;1452450096;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1365373;1452450121;asciilifeform;you can't, for instance, 'email isis' 1365374;1452450126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: OH, some of them have EXTENSIVE facebook presences 1365375;1452450127;asciilifeform;you can only email the usg dept of prison 1365376;1452450139;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: usg front-end 1365377;1452450147;BingoBoingo;But yes, to contact them gotta go through USG dept of prisons 1365378;1452450160;asciilifeform;mno, that only contacts your local preet 1365379;1452450173;asciilifeform;(who may choose to pass on your bits to another idiot if it suits his purposes, sure) 1365380;1452450174;mircea_popescu;trinque yeah, but they were going to bitchslap cox cable & co on the providing side. 1365381;1452450175;BingoBoingo;Via that harvard jew 1365382;1452450188;mircea_popescu;truth be told the connectivity situation of the us is really on par with its stature in the world : african. 1365383;1452450192;trinque;mircea_popescu: that's right, "google fiber" 1365384;1452450201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno, africa has ok connectivity via gsm 1365385;1452450244;pete_dushenski;usa : sub-sub-saharan african internet 1365386;1452450302;pete_dushenski;about antarctica if my geography is correct 1365387;1452450309;mircea_popescu;well, just like africa, so is the us a big... "country". 1365388;1452450321;mircea_popescu;some places got better connectivity than others, but overall... 1365389;1452450364;asciilifeform;outside of major conurbations, usa has approximately same quality of connectivity as... ships at sea 1365390;1452450412;asciilifeform;this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there 1365391;1452450439;asciilifeform;i've an old chum who moved to wv. he is ever scheming to build a radio tower. 1365392;1452450470;asciilifeform;'but the house cost 1/5th!11111' 1365393;1452450520;BingoBoingo; this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there << Yeah, gotta be near a cable path and all of a sudden house no longer 1/5 but 1/4 or even 1/3 1365394;1452450570;asciilifeform;'cable path' ~= 25k usd project 1365395;1452450617;asciilifeform;not to mention that if it is a cable tv sort of cable, you are stuck with some of the most abominable isp monopolists in all of usaschwitz 1365396;1452450628;asciilifeform;(e.g., 'comcast') 1365397;1452450840;BingoBoingo;Oh, no I mean the transit cables, but even then no guarentee people will care to tap them >> http://rlc.edu campus runs on poin to point wireless even though near I-57 and massive cables going from Chicago to US South, because no one has will to tap cables 1365398;1452450845;assbot;Rend Lake College - Ina, IL - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1K79Jth ) 1365399;1452450866;BingoBoingo;But if near transit cables with existing tap, internet not too bad 1365400;1452450897;BingoBoingo;Nowhere's ville near cable taps is where you find decent muni fiber in USia 1365401;1452451578;mircea_popescu;^ 1365402;1452451829;BingoBoingo;What you really want for Best USA Internet (TM/R) is suburb 8.5-25 kilowarmbodies 10-30 miles from regional population hub and not too far from inerstate highway path 1365403;1452451856;mircea_popescu;pretty much where i lived back when i did. 1365404;1452451993;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: do you happen to have the link to that classic russian 'chukka' comic handy ? i can't find it in the logs 1365405;1452452006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049768 = 4.1805 BTC [+] {2} 1365406;1452452061;BingoBoingo;What you want is a core of people who aren't poor relative to the rest of their USistan region. Once they make the muni-fiber jump the first few years are rough until they get addicted to uptime and buying more cables headed in different directions out of town. 1365407;1452452112;pete_dushenski;friends had a kid (half indian, half lithuanian) who looks 100% 'chukka' 1365408;1452452326;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1365409;1452452332;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.84, vol: 4237.85142901 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.755, vol: 4583.31028 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.38, vol: 13610.32079304 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.07404244 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.392212, vol: 46690.77580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.27368, vol: 36.97002807 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.55969, vol: 33.19697639 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1365410;1452452336;BingoBoingo;;;more 1365411;1452452336;gribble;445.567823496 1365412;1452452343;funkenstein_; apple is a monopoly in the sense qq.com is a monopoly. you... never heard of it. <-- i was surprised to learn recently tencent was a major player in handling the exchange to fiat-bank segment for e.g. btcchina 1365413;1452452416;funkenstein_;though now apparently they go direct without third parties 1365414;1452452418;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/05/15/things_i_wont_work_with_selenophenol 1365415;1452452420;assbot;Things I Won’t Work With: Selenophenol | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgHLTz ) 1365416;1452452463;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo, for this dwarf the bottleneck is never bandwidth or screenspace. Always my own fucking head. 1365417;1452452484;BingoBoingo;That's how it tends to work 1365418;1452452539;*;BingoBoingo very disappoint there are no cool alternate lines being offered anywhere he can find on the Bama-Clemson game tomorrow. Wants to take Bama -13.5 or -20.5 1365419;1452452555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5260 @ 0.00049775 = 2.6182 BTC [+] {2} 1365420;1452452577;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ aha. 1365421;1452452766;pete_dushenski;bbiab 1365422;1452453263;BingoBoingo;May we never forget the bravest Chemistry paper in history http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00893a004 1365423;1452453264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgIWCm ) 1365424;1452453531;BingoBoingo;;;later tell PeterL What kind of budget would you need to produce a paper on the sulfur chemistry of FOOF in the name of making the TMSR a contributor to cutting edge science? 1365425;1452453532;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1365426;1452453871;BingoBoingo;Seems like low hanging fruit for TMSR to legitimately contribute to the advancement of the physical sciences 1365427;1452453963;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-10-2015#1294706 1365428;1452453963;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 02:09:29; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1700710/post74537442 << scroll to pics 1365429;1452453976;asciilifeform;and it's - chukcha 1365430;1452453988;asciilifeform;чукча. 1365431;1452454473;ben_vulpes;heh FOOF 1365432;1452454484;ben_vulpes;that one made an appearance in 'Ignition!' iirc 1365433;1452454802;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. cheers. 1365434;1452454843;pete_dushenski;http://hiero.ru/Akuaku/ChukIMak << the chuckcha comics i was thinking of. 1365435;1452454844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeKT1i ) 1365436;1452454862;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: If we are to etch our own silicon we gotta consider all sorts of weird 1365437;1452454907;pete_dushenski;*chukcha 1365438;1452455075;BingoBoingo;look who went complete retard https://archive.is/f8hQk 1365439;1452455076;assbot;Cryptography Guru Announces Anonymous Communications Network Called PrivaTegrity ... ( http://bit.ly/1mNZrtb ) 1365440;1452455108;BingoBoingo;"In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." 1365441;1452455121;BingoBoingo;"This council will provide access to data about users to law enforcement, but only for those who use the network for criminal activities. This council will have nine members from across the world, and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data." 1365442;1452455196;pete_dushenski;never go full retard 1365443;1452455228;BingoBoingo;Just a man, pretending to be a man, pretending to be another man. 1365444;1452455230;mircea_popescu;ahahah what the fuck. 1365445;1452455235;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo word. 1365446;1452455246;pete_dushenski;" and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data." << 9/9 multi-sig ! 1365447;1452455264;pete_dushenski;one loses key, rest can go home 1365448;1452455439;pete_dushenski;"In short, right now the bitcoin infrastructure is insufficient to support the unbanked. This must and will change. Before we begin, a bit of disclosure: I’ve been researching this for my on project, Freemit, and I’ve been talking talking to startups in this space." << so much talking 1365449;1452455445;pete_dushenski;http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/10/why-bitcoin-cant-help-the-poorest-yet/ 1365450;1452455447;assbot;Why Bitcoin Can’t Help The Poorest – Yet | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1mO0cT6 ) 1365451;1452455536;pete_dushenski;"The bitcoin infrastructure is excellent, secure, and powerful in the abstract. In practice it is useless… but not for long." << try death warrants with paypal. 1365452;1452455546;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1365453;1452455587;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i've been thinking a lot about proteins lately 1365454;1452455599;ben_vulpes;silicon is a dead end 1365455;1452455601;mircea_popescu;"since 100% of all bitcoin businesses are in b-a and b-a doesn't like it, you know what ? it is useless!11 nothing ever happened!111 blablabl~!111" 1365456;1452455620;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes and proteins are a long end. 1365457;1452455628;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/johnbiggs << author of the above. ftr. 1365458;1452455630;assbot;John Biggs (@johnbiggs) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeLRLe ) 1365459;1452455638;ben_vulpes;long end? 1365460;1452455656;*;ben_vulpes is operating under a severe cognition deficit today. weird bugs in the blood. 1365461;1452455666;mircea_popescu;it'll take you forever to find out it doesn't work, sorta thing. 1365462;1452455701;mircea_popescu;"Writer and Maker. Editor for TechCrunch." heh. ever novel ways to say "nobody doing nothing, ignore me please" 1365463;1452455706;BingoBoingo;Not to mention shaping proteins is hard bsns 1365464;1452455746;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1365465;1452455773;ben_vulpes;"monte-carlo 'engineering'" 1365466;1452455810;pete_dushenski;i thought the whole 'maker' thing woulda died when 3d printing didn't put home depot out of business in 12 months flat. guess not eh 1365467;1452455880;pete_dushenski;in other 'how would you know' nyooz, ""Everyone in our pool is making money, because people who aren't making money would not have their machines turned on," BTCC's Lee said." 1365468;1452455898;pete_dushenski;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/the-return-of-bitcoin-mining 1365469;1452455899;assbot;The Return of Bitcoin Mining - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeMgNL ) 1365470;1452455918;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.31800000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b62 1365471;1452455933;pete_dushenski;probably the same logic bobby lee used to arrive at the 'must have 2mb blocks' conclusion 1365472;1452456190;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum 1365473;1452456190;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." 1365474;1452456211;asciilifeform;what do you suppose they did to him ? 1365475;1452456301;BingoBoingo;No idea 1365476;1452456388;asciilifeform;chaum et al are the flip side of the 'everybody has a day job' crap 1365477;1452456411;asciilifeform;likely, man had a choice between eating and not-quisling 1365478;1452456413;asciilifeform;picked eating. 1365479;1452456438;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere. 1365480;1452456449;ben_vulpes;stack up 1365481;1452456460;asciilifeform;as if a dead chaum is much good for anything. 1365482;1452456495;asciilifeform;how much good from the dead murdock ? 1365483;1452456581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00049792 = 3.4108 BTC [+] 1365484;1452456876;*;pete_dushenski for a run 1365485;1452456926;BingoBoingo;Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate https://archive.is/fIuTA 1365486;1452456928;assbot;Kristov Atlas on Twitter: "@bboingo @bboingo @pierre_rochard @rogerkver right, but a firefighter's job presently is to take on physical risk." ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeNJne ) 1365487;1452457191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00049686 = 2.1862 BTC [-] 1365488;1452457383;danielpbarron;he knows about it; that guy has me blocked even 1365489;1452457568;BingoBoingo;Seriously Obeasts are only a hazard to themselves? Does he even consider the pathogens people who can't clean their ass spread everyday as they go about sitting and leaning on public spaces. 1365490;1452458168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8759 @ 0.00049684 = 4.3518 BTC [-] {2} 1365491;1452458309;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i'm going to vom 1365492;1452458360;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: More than any dietary change, avoiding morbid Obeasts will materially improve your health. Give it a try for 30 day, see the improvement in your life. 1365493;1452458675;ben_vulpes;your reports are from a different universe from that which i inhabit 1365494;1452458707;ben_vulpes;no obeasts on 1400 vertical foot hikes 1365495;1452458870;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes already build his wizard tower? 1365496;1452459204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049573 = 5.0069 BTC [-] 1365497;1452459323;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: some day i will roost in the vista house: http://vistahouse.com/ 1365498;1452459325;assbot;Friends of Vista House ... ( http://bit.ly/1RE5gnW ) 1365499;1452459388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3191 @ 0.0004964 = 1.584 BTC [+] 1365500;1452459791;*;BingoBoingo right now just wondering on the holy grail of sealed FeNi batteries which would make wizard tower pissibru 1365501;1452459936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050049 = 7.5074 BTC [+] {2} 1365502;1452461827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050384 = 1.2596 BTC [+] {2} 1365503;1452464814;punkman;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all 1365504;1452464814;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." 1365505;1452465609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7349 @ 0.00050393 = 3.7034 BTC [+] {2} 1365506;1452465853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00050399 = 2.6963 BTC [+] 1365507;1452466615;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365503 << wai wut ?! 1365508;1452466615;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 22:26:54; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all 1365509;1452466990;asciilifeform;soooooo turns out prb doesn't like relaying high-S sigs. 1365510;1452466999;asciilifeform;as of whenever. 1365511;1452467017;asciilifeform;this, i strongly suspect, resolves the mega-mystery. 1365512;1452467025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, other panzerz ^^ 1365513;1452467040;thestringpuller;prb? 1365514;1452467045;thestringpuller;!s prb 1365515;1452467045;assbot;6 results for 'prb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=prb 1365516;1452467046;asciilifeform;'powe ranger' bitcoin 1365517;1452467050;thestringpuller;Ah 1365518;1452467062;thestringpuller;yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 1365519;1452467076;thestringpuller;err 1365520;1452467095;thestringpuller;BIP-66 1365521;1452467135;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/L680STE.jpg 1365522;1452467136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYrRvP ) 1365523;1452467170;thestringpuller;Basically all "new" PRB-nodes will refuse to relay high-S tx's to the network. Miners will still mine them though. But interesting that a high-s transaction has high probability to get fellated and malleated by network before being mined. 1365524;1452468363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it shouldn't be the case that you're connected exclusively to prb nodes. 1365525;1452468374;mircea_popescu;it should also not be the case that there isn't a trb path between you and miners. 1365526;1452468379;asciilifeform;agreed 1365527;1452468383;mircea_popescu;the contrary situation is aptly known as "isolated" 1365528;1452468383;asciilifeform;but it ~is~ the case 1365529;1452468391;asciilifeform;that there is not a trb path between my nodez and the miners. 1365530;1452468403;thestringpuller;if miner nodes are running prb, they'll isolate too 1365531;1452468410;asciilifeform;that also 1365532;1452468423;asciilifeform;and seems like we have a handy litmus. 1365533;1452468500;mircea_popescu; thestringpuller "running prb" is not being a miner. 1365534;1452468865;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i was just saying if miners receive tx's to mine via PRB code then it'll isolate 1365535;1452468899;thestringpuller;i dunno if this is case, cause not like miners publicize their nodes (or maybe they do, i'm still investigating) 1365536;1452469022;mircea_popescu;it's complicated and multi-layered and so on because ddos. 1365537;1452469044;mircea_popescu;the dns derps keep going on about how important and bla bla they are - but by comparison they're 13yo's at the beach, making sandcastles. 1365538;1452469272;asciilifeform;incidentally a gossipd which conducts tcp pipes would at least threaten to begin to formalize the hierarchy. 1365539;1452469294;mircea_popescu;myeah 1365540;1452469450;asciilifeform;the one problem might be that mining selects for idiocy 1365541;1452469470;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365479 < can you believe this guy ?! 1365542;1452469470;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 20:07:18; asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere. 1365543;1452469507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365465 << note that nature has more resources than you, has been trying it for longer than you'll be alive, and STILL hasn't produced organic intelligence. 1365544;1452469507;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 19:56:13; ben_vulpes: "monte-carlo 'engineering'" 1365545;1452469514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey it was what my internal mircea_popescu-coprocessor said to me ! 1365546;1452469549;mircea_popescu;lol 1365547;1452469605;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365472 << am i the only guy left that doesn't know who the fuck this was ? 1365548;1452469605;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 20:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum 1365549;1452469667;asciilifeform;;;google david chaum 1365550;1452469668;gribble;David Chaum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; David Chaum: ; How DigiCash Blew Everything - Cryptome: 1365551;1452469677;mircea_popescu;wait, wait, actually ?! 1365552;1452469694;mircea_popescu;hey check that out, zimmerman makes nsa-phone and david chaum makes nsa-gossipd. 1365553;1452469702;mircea_popescu;i am rather flattered, honestly. 1365554;1452469708;asciilifeform;inventor of blind signature, and of undoublespendable-decentralized money as a concept 1365555;1452469720;mircea_popescu;i thought it was just random derp named chaum 1365556;1452469781;asciilifeform;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/01/10/1532209/crypto-guru-david-chaums-private-communications-network-comes-with-a-backdoor << nah. ~the~ chaum. 1365557;1452469783;assbot;Crypto Guru David Chaum's Private Communications Network Comes With a Backdoor - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOrJnw ) 1365558;1452469783;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365485 << atlas is famous chiefly for his crazy. i dunno that anyone'd take the stuff seriously. think tardstalk's own vexual. 1365559;1452469783;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 20:15:26; BingoBoingo: Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate https://archive.is/fIuTA 1365560;1452469831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the general lack of personal integrity in the angloworld is quite the sad spectacle, huh. 1365561;1452469839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elementary starvation. 1365562;1452469870;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i have no interest in designing molecular structures myself. i am mostly interested in simulating the interactions of easily-procured precursors in lots and lots of sims, varying lots and lots of variables in the sim, in order to crap out eg simple logic gates 1365563;1452469881;ben_vulpes;this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. 1365564;1452469887;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it is pointedly NOT how 1365565;1452469900;ben_vulpes;some! a tiny fraction. 1365566;1452469905;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no, i get it, you want maximum skim for minimum upfront work. 1365567;1452469908;mircea_popescu;this is not a novel strategy. 1365568;1452469911;*;asciilifeform used to do just this, for a living, this is very much not a description of how. 1365569;1452469929;asciilifeform;for fuckssake, there is not even a closed-form solution for ONE MOTHERFUCKING LITHIUM ATOM 1365570;1452469944;mircea_popescu;yes but that because bad math more than anything else. 1365571;1452469953;asciilifeform;mno, because n-body problem. 1365572;1452469959;asciilifeform;provable absence of closed form. 1365573;1452469971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu of all people oughta know this.. 1365574;1452469990;mircea_popescu;but not provable that a good heuristic intermediate between "closed form" and "fuck you" is absent for fundamental reasons. 1365575;1452470007;asciilifeform;there are eh-maybe-somewhat-usable heuristics 1365576;1452470009;ben_vulpes;http://astro.temple.edu/~meister/Schafmeister_group_website/Research.html << so, another usgscam? 1365577;1452470011;assbot;Research overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zf2EO3 ) 1365578;1452470011;asciilifeform;they soak up infinite cpu. 1365579;1452470015;mircea_popescu;because bad math. 1365580;1452470029;mircea_popescu;i don't need it to answer absolutely. i just need it to reduce by a factor of 10^20 rather than by a factor of maybe 10^3 1365581;1452470031;mircea_popescu;that's all. 1365582;1452470053;asciilifeform;in practice, the errors compound and magnify into near-useless soup. 1365583;1452470065;asciilifeform;on state of the art $maxint simulator. 1365584;1452470074;mircea_popescu;this was the exact description of a "bad math" situation htroughout the history of science. 1365585;1452470079;asciilifeform;aha. 1365586;1452470084;mircea_popescu;in particular, it's why calorimetric theory was unverifiable. and so on. 1365587;1452470101;mircea_popescu;so i'm taking an educated guess : it's because bad math. 1365588;1452470125;asciilifeform;also because we don't have computers. 1365589;1452470135;mircea_popescu;computer science is taught by the math dept. 1365590;1452470147;asciilifeform;(simulating 10^20 INDEPENDENT elements on a von neumann box with maybe a dozen cpu is lunacy) 1365591;1452470272;asciilifeform;http://museum.ipsj.or.jp/computer/word/images/0027_02_l.jpg << in other 'nyoooz' 1365592;1452470306;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: has the best PC pr0n. 1365593;1452470333;mircea_popescu;o look it's a nec. 1365594;1452470359;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365516 << doubles as public-relations-bitcoin. you know, scam. 1365595;1452470359;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 23:04:06; asciilifeform: 'powe ranger' bitcoin 1365596;1452470672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.000505 = 7.5498 BTC [+] 1365597;1452470701;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: there is this comic called "The Boys" where superheroes are just a thing. Anyhow super heroes cause more trouble than what it's worth. To solve one problem the fuck up 100 other things, so "The Boys" are sent in to keep the peace. I've realized the power rangers do exactly that. Very public displays of "whatever fix", which ends up breaking 50 other things that have to eventually be fixed. 1365598;1452470711;thestringpuller;It's unreal. 1365599;1452470744;mircea_popescu;well that's the only fucking end result when illiterate people get involved in "fixing" shit they didn't read. 1365600;1452470748;asciilifeform;the unfortunate thing is that merely ignoring prb has not worked. now there is ecological cleanup work to be done. 1365601;1452470788;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg 1365602;1452470789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 ) 1365603;1452470810;asciilifeform;wai wut 1365604;1452470815;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: exactly. and they probably are saying to themselves secretly "oh tmsr will fix it" 1365605;1452470837;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: EXACTLY! 1365606;1452470916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37456 @ 0.00050544 = 18.9318 BTC [+] {4} 1365607;1452470977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1994 @ 0.00050584 = 1.0086 BTC [+] {2} 1365608;1452471325;mircea_popescu;!up ayn1k 1365609;1452471400;adlai;;;later tell copypaste fwiw, I'm fully in favor of segregated witness being implemented and available for those who see fit to use it. the main problem is one of education; users need to understand that there's bitcoin, and there's anyonecanspend-witcoin 1365610;1452471401;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1365611;1452471441;*;adlai somehow doubts this alt will see more usage than pushcoin 1365612;1452471465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00050271 = 3.2173 BTC [-] {2} 1365613;1452471490;mircea_popescu;the demand for bitcoin usage from poor people remains scant. 1365614;1452471531;mircea_popescu;what they like it for - to save in, as per http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-109.0-109.542 - is readily satisfied by trb as it is. 1365615;1452471532;assbot;La Florida and other places on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOvRnf ) 1365616;1452471744;mircea_popescu;hahaha check thios dude out : "Some of you may be aware of a project called "therealbitcoin" and some of its development history. Over the last few days I forked the project, dropped in the woodcoin genesis block, genesis merkle root, the skein woodcutting algorithm, the logarithmic supply curve, the relevant difficulty adjust parameters, and the magic header code:" 1365617;1452471747;mircea_popescu;http://frass.woodcoin.org/fo-realz-woodcoin/ 1365618;1452471748;assbot;fo-realz-woodcoin | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYCsIq ) 1365619;1452471775;mircea_popescu;"I stuck it on a github repo, which includes a tarball of the code with detached signature. You can also grab it as a vpatch with seal if you like. You might see some nodes reporting version 77777; that's what it will claim to be if you run it without modification." 1365620;1452471871;adlai;mircea_popescu: this is because today, bitcoin is useless for poor people, and will remain so, without a reasonably reliable write-cache 1365621;1452471884;mircea_popescu;not so. it is extremely useful : it allows them to save. 1365622;1452471895;mircea_popescu;that is the only social function poor people actually need : a path out of poverty. 1365623;1452471900;adlai;you must not have met any truly poor people, but that's to be expected i guess? 1365624;1452471914;mircea_popescu;that bitcoin allows the poor a venue to actually accumulate capital is really all that matters, for the well being of the world generally. 1365625;1452471938;*;adlai has friends who can't afford to save bitcoin, because they buy useless shit (incl drugs, and music, and fancy food, etc) instead of "paying themselves first" 1365626;1452471950;mircea_popescu;adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved, are you ? the point is not that. the point is for there to be a way for the scant few who don't belong there to save themselves. 1365627;1452471980;thestringpuller;^- this. so much this 1365628;1452471984;mircea_popescu;the poor in all times and places belong on a conveyor belt towards a woodchipper. it is however very important to have a readily accessible door out of the tunnel, for any thinking folk who accidentally fell in. 1365629;1452471988;*;adlai is belaboring under the apprehension that mircea_popescu may have never tried to personally convince somebody poor - incredibly so! - to hoard btc 1365630;1452472000;mircea_popescu;i never convinced a woman to be my slave, either. 1365631;1452472002;mircea_popescu;why would i ? 1365632;1452472007;mircea_popescu;if it takes convincing her place's not here. 1365633;1452472013;adlai;for their souls. 1365634;1452472021;mircea_popescu;poor people have no souls. 1365635;1452472052;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this seems a deeply ignored point, all sorts of okcupid chicks honestly expect they'll be entertained just because well... they exist. ridoinculous. 1365636;1452472151;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: saw this on reddit and was surprised "Even 1000 euros feel too much to spent for a much needed new laptop instead of getting some BTC Am I mad?" to which someone replied "And this is why some economists fear Bitcoin -- as expenditures will become more sane. If that laptop made you much more productive, you would still choose to make that purchase rather than saving. But it seems you don't really need that new la 1365637;1452472184;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved << sounds like The Bible. 1365638;1452472210;*;adlai wonders when btc lords last tried to thread needles! 1365639;1452472218;davout;this whole chan sounds like the bible 1365640;1452472244;thestringpuller;your nick is davout ! 1365641;1452472262;mircea_popescu;this is a very valid point. through the presence of an actual save mechanism, insane expenditure becomes less tenable. this is actually not unrelated to the discussion re how "the world" aka western cragmire ends. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 1365642;1452472262;assbot;Logged on 17-11-2015 01:21:47; mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do. 1365643;1452472278;davout;thestringpuller: like the general! 1365644;1452472289;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you're thinking "devout\" 1365645;1452472316;adlai;seriously though, it's an edifying exercise to try and convince self-professed "btc people" that it's not worth their time to convince "non-self-professed btc people" (by my words, this time) to save via btc 1365646;1452472338;*;adlai maintains that bitcoin can and should survive via increasing adoption among decreasing number of people 1365647;1452472343;thestringpuller;adlai: as danielpbarron said you can't convince someone to be saved 1365648;1452472350;adlai;anybody who can make useful use of btc - has heard of it already. today. 2016., 1365649;1452472354;davout;adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" 1365650;1452472364;adlai;the rest, as the new yorkers say, is theirstory. 1365651;1452472391;danielpbarron;i went through that phase of telling everyone I see about bitcoin. It's pointless 1365652;1452472402;adlai;thestringpuller: but therein lies the rub. everywhere you go, you'll meet the exception that proves this rule. 1365653;1452472430;thestringpuller;adlai: but wouldn't this mean that person had it "within themselves" to be saved in the first place? 1365654;1452472438;thestringpuller;if it wasn't you another missionary would have done the job. 1365655;1452472447;mircea_popescu;adlai nobody's trying to convince anyone. i also don't go around watering holes in africa trying to convince the animals to drink./ 1365656;1452472451;danielpbarron;yes, God causes all things and there is no will outside of His 1365657;1452472451;mircea_popescu;they'll drink in their own good time. 1365658;1452472515;adlai;so? do i sit around lazy, waiting to instagram the next missionary's #btcConversionFail ? 1365659;1452472516;mircea_popescu; adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity. 1365660;1452472540;adlai;or try and help the poor idiots 1365661;1452472542;davout;mircea_popescu: you're not giving it away 1365662;1452472548;*;adlai is honestly troubled here :( 1365663;1452472555;mircea_popescu;adlai if you can code, you can actually help the trb people. if you can't code, you can try an' help BingoBoingo, who's coinstantly asking. or else offend copypaste by rewriting trilema as best you can. or etc. 1365664;1452472556;davout;in the sense "for nothing with the idea to infect others" 1365665;1452472559;mircea_popescu;not like there isn't stuff to do. 1365666;1452472577;mircea_popescu;davout really ? because why, i'm short tits and they have economic utility ? 1365667;1452472579;danielpbarron;you can also help me in Eulora :D 1365668;1452472587;mircea_popescu;i'm giving it away exactly like "free education" is given away. 1365669;1452472596;danielpbarron;and i'm completely serious there's paying work in there c'mon already people get an account 1365670;1452472601;mircea_popescu;yeah totally, you can run an eulora client, desperate need for more noobs there. 1365671;1452472607;adlai;mircea_popescu: where's your vpatch? do i need to open a bbet which of us makes one first? 1365672;1452472617;mircea_popescu;didn't i make the genesis ?! 1365673;1452472631;adlai;your mom genesised, you just talked from there 1365674;1452472646;adlai;quoting = talking 1365675;1452472663;mircea_popescu;no dude, the v patch genesis. 1365676;1452472667;adlai;k 1365677;1452472679;mircea_popescu;it's signed by people including me! 1365678;1452472683;adlai;danielpbarron: how much does it pay in btc? 1365679;1452472696;davout;there's a difference between giving something to someone who wants it, and giving something to someone who doesn't 1365680;1452472696;*;adlai has other btc-denominated offers, starting tomorr,w ish? 1365681;1452472713;mircea_popescu;this sliding scale business. what to x oh nevermind. 1365682;1452472718;mircea_popescu;people suck at market. 1365683;1452472741;danielpbarron;i can pay like 3 million for a night's work (that means you leave it crafting overnight) 1365684;1452472776;adlai;are there open-source bots which i can read like you pretend to read the bible, and rape like mircea_popescu pretends to rape his slaves? 1365685;1452472782;thestringpuller;nice. Eulora labor camps begin! 1365686;1452472795;adlai;it's not a camp if the campers don't Exist 1365687;1452472801;mircea_popescu;i think i'ma just use adlai to denote lazy from now on. 1365688;1452472807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4521 @ 0.00050271 = 2.2728 BTC [-] 1365689;1452472813;adlai;mircea_popescu: i'll allow it. 1365690;1452472831;trinque;!s tlp rape 1365691;1452472832;assbot;2 results for 'tlp rape' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tlp+rape 1365692;1452472837;danielpbarron;adlai, are you saying I don't read the Bible? 1365693;1452472842;mircea_popescu;now break out of this queergender feminized state where you imagine anyone cares to seduce you and go do some work. 1365694;1452472858;adlai;no, i'm saying that i don't really reed anything, i just type and rant and occasionally change parameters 1365695;1452472866;adlai;!down adlai 1365696;1452472868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42471 @ 0.00050364 = 21.3901 BTC [+] {3} 1365697;1452472868;mircea_popescu;no. he's saying that he's not getting enough attention at home. 1365698;1452472896;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i thought that's a problem for children not adults. 1365699;1452472929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00049905 = 14.4475 BTC [-] 1365700;1452472935;mircea_popescu;well... it's a problem of people, it appears. you are born with a tank, and until it gets filled you're stuck working on filling it. normally it's full by about 12yo in males, but abnormally... 1365701;1452472967;thestringpuller;what about for females? 1365702;1452473007;mircea_popescu;it's not clear, but it may be the case that the mechanism is coopted in their sexual activity and becomes part of what drives child rearing. so they got a deliberate leak and it never fills. 1365703;1452473029;mircea_popescu;in this sense the whole thing would be reminescent of how nipples work. 1365704;1452473213;thestringpuller;is there a thread on "generational WoT", when we are all old and gray who takes up the helm? 1365705;1452473264;mircea_popescu;you kidding me, these doods be multiplyin' like rabbits. i think there's more b-a kids than there's b-a adults. 1365706;1452473302;mircea_popescu;davout has two, mike has two, pete has iirc also two ? kakobrekla has like 6 or 7 or some high amount like that... 1365707;1452473313;mats;O_O 1365708;1452473327;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes was working on more, iirc mod6 has two too... 1365709;1452473353;ben_vulpes;servility and submission go hand in hand, and are very important attributes for performing wifedom and motherhood well. 1365710;1452473356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34663 @ 0.00049983 = 17.3256 BTC [+] {5} 1365711;1452473376;thestringpuller;i love it. cryptofeudalism. 1365712;1452473390;mircea_popescu;for the first few years at any rate. 1365713;1452473402;ben_vulpes;and what takes over after that? 1365714;1452473426;mircea_popescu;you'll scream yourself hoarse setting limits. with any luck. 1365715;1452473426;danielpbarron;regression to the mean 1365716;1452473495;kakobrekla;wait what? 1365717;1452473506;mircea_popescu;more dominant mother doesn't necessarily make worse mother (excepting for crazy outliers known in literature as schizogenic). it's true she has a tougher time for the first few years, but then once there's teenagers in the house... you'll love every cannon you got. 1365718;1452473556;kakobrekla;#b-a are my kids 1365719;1452473604;mircea_popescu;:) 1365720;1452473844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00050207 = 1.7572 BTC [+] {2} 1365721;1452474229;mircea_popescu;"December 19 2014 : DBD parameters set by Shane Kinney" ahaha cool. 1365722;1452474304;ben_vulpes;has anyone ever seen something along the lines of "Need an operator in 'STATIC' (makefile.unix:12)" 1365723;1452474316;ben_vulpes;while compiling trb either on various linux or an openbsd? 1365724;1452474473;asciilifeform;achtung, panzerz!! 1365725;1452474480;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 1365726;1452474481;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html 1365727;1452474482;assbot;[BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 ) 1365728;1452474492;asciilifeform;^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap 1365729;1452474498;asciilifeform;as of 5 min. ago. 1365730;1452474514;ben_vulpes;ooo 1365731;1452474542;asciilifeform;i wanted to do this ages ago, mircea_popescu finally prodded me. 1365732;1452474711;asciilifeform;already plenty of vermin crushed 1365733;1452474722;trinque;neat 1365734;1452474725;asciilifeform;aaaah this is beautiful 1365735;1452474808;ben_vulpes;nm patched wrong thinger. 1365736;1452474821;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what didja think it were ? 1365737;1452474835;asciilifeform;or is this re: earlier thread 1365738;1452474840;ben_vulpes;my own thread. 1365739;1452474844;asciilifeform;ah 1365740;1452474903;ben_vulpes;rather nifty, asciilifeform. 1365741;1452474911;asciilifeform;remains to be seen 1365742;1452474920;asciilifeform;traffic's gone through the floor. 1365743;1452474937;ben_vulpes;i can't actually remember how 'misbehaving' works 1365744;1452474948;asciilifeform;drops conn 1365745;1452474979;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0558 1365746;1452474980;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEciIm ) 1365747;1452474982;ben_vulpes;above a threshold? or for any value in that call? 1365748;1452474999;asciilifeform;configurable, default==100 1365749;1452475011;asciilifeform;read ze code. 1365750;1452475013;ben_vulpes;cool, thank you. 1365751;1452475021;ben_vulpes;yes, have reread. 1365752;1452475046;*;ben_vulpes operating under severe cognitive load 1365753;1452475057;asciilifeform;whatcha doing, ben_vulpes ? 1365754;1452475066;ben_vulpes;does this happen to anyone else? get sick, brain more or less stops working? 1365755;1452475076;asciilifeform;me. 1365756;1452475082;asciilifeform;for mebbe past year. 1365757;1452475093;ben_vulpes;i installed a /thirty-two/ bit operating system over the past weekend. on a 64-bit box. 1365758;1452475100;trinque;d'oh 1365759;1452475103;ben_vulpes;only figured this out when i went to compile trb and got assembly errors. 1365760;1452475109;trinque;yeah, I'm useless when sick for sufficient value of $sick 1365761;1452475125;ben_vulpes;i was hallucinating gdb-many-buffers-mode last night 1365762;1452475131;ben_vulpes;not pleasant 1365763;1452475613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00049472 = 11.527 BTC [-] {5} 1365764;1452475820;mircea_popescu;actually you should be able to run 32 bit on a 64 bit box, neh ? 1365765;1452475825;mircea_popescu;or did you make the os 32 and trb 64 ? 1365766;1452475852;asciilifeform;he said 'installed 32bit os' 1365767;1452475897;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1365768;1452475916;ben_vulpes;nearly all of the tooling on the ml and scattered throughout the logs assumes 64-bit compilation environments. 1365769;1452475939;mircea_popescu;guess so huh. 1365770;1452475954;ben_vulpes;i definitely didn't find any that didn't. 1365771;1452475956;asciilifeform;actually rotor doesn't give a damn what you build on, so long as it is specified 1365772;1452475958;asciilifeform;ditto target 1365773;1452475964;mircea_popescu;i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics 1365774;1452475969;asciilifeform;build on nintendo, deploy on cray 1365775;1452475972;asciilifeform;or vice-versa. 1365776;1452476020;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf i'm still getting segfaults with your openbsd patch. care to look at bitcoind.core ? 1365777;1452476020;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1365778;1452476101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00049781 = 16.1042 BTC [+] {5} 1365779;1452476120;thestringpuller;is linux no longer sane computing environment? when did this become an asylum >> same environment running on different machines has wildly different behavior 1365780;1452476147;ben_vulpes;interestingly enough the output from static_bitcoin_only.sh stops at "warning: warning: sprintf() is often misused, please use snprintf()" but then never runs the subsequent 'strip bitcoind' line in static_bitcoin_only.sh 1365781;1452476159;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there is such a thing as cpu arch. gotta build for the hardware you have. 1365782;1452476184;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wai wut?! where is there sprintf 1365783;1452476220;ben_vulpes;is ben_vulpes perhaps using a stale tree?! 1365784;1452476222;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i meant in building up process/configuration. behaving like two different robots completely, rather than robot with different body running same brain 1365785;1452476230;ben_vulpes;i believe that this tree came from a v pressing. 1365786;1452476244;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where in the code 1365787;1452476257;ben_vulpes;src/uint256.h:289 1365788;1452476276;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_filestring=&_string=sprintf << hm 1365789;1452476277;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option general search: sprintf ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYOOlr ) 1365790;1452476469;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v 1365791;1452476469;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics 1365792;1452476485;ben_vulpes;i still don't see how that error would cause the script to not run strip bitcoind 1365793;1452476522;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: doesn't happen here 1365794;1452476528;asciilifeform;possibly your gcc flags differ ? 1365795;1452476543;ben_vulpes;!up adlai 1365796;1452476556;*;adlai still doesn't understand why we're encouraging hardware uniformity 1365797;1452476566;asciilifeform;adlai: which 'we' 1365798;1452476577;asciilifeform;i wrote 'rotor', which lets you build for nintendo if you like. 1365799;1452476579;adlai;!s pogo 1365800;1452476580;assbot;880 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 1365801;1452476585;adlai;we ^ 1365802;1452476606;asciilifeform;adlai: find me another comp with GB ethernet and SATA that can be bought for under $20. 1365803;1452476608;asciilifeform;with power brick. 1365804;1452476611;adlai;call it a nintendo! call it a crescendo! stop telling people what to run/buy 1365805;1452476626;adlai;let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc. 1365806;1452476633;adlai;let's not all run the same brick. 1365807;1452476642;asciilifeform;adlai: actually nobody is running pogo today 1365808;1452476648;adlai;++ 1365809;1452476652;asciilifeform;at all. 1365810;1452476663;asciilifeform;we never met the 128M target. 1365811;1452476665;*;adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. 1365812;1452476671;thestringpuller;does pogo stay synched or does it lag behind? 1365813;1452476677;asciilifeform;right now it's an x86 monoculture. 1365814;1452476680;asciilifeform;which isn't any better. 1365815;1452476681;adlai;oh we should strive to meet it, there's no reason not to. utxo-in-memory is retardation, nothing more to it. 1365816;1452476706;asciilifeform;adlai: if you keep up with the ml - you will know that block index alone is >150M on warmup 1365817;1452476720;asciilifeform;before a single tx lands in the pool 1365818;1452476729;adlai;you don't need much of an index if you trust your own bloom filtration 1365819;1452476739;asciilifeform;wai wut?!! 1365820;1452476779;trinque;adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. << it's not "monoculture"; it's mass production 1365821;1452476790;trinque;propose a better way to get a large number of trb nodes in the wild 1365822;1452476793;asciilifeform;adlai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0030 1365823;1452476795;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M ) 1365824;1452476801;adlai;it's not mass production if some nonwot-shitshop craps them out by the chinafull 1365825;1452476842;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm just using static_bitcoin_only.sh, where would i look for misconfigured gcc flags? 1365826;1452476853;adlai;asciilifeform: do you know what a bloom filter is? you can set it arbitrarily paranoid... ie, more paranoid than ripemd160, which you're forced to use, because.. satoshi! 1365827;1452476881;asciilifeform;adlai: not only do we not use hearn's bloom filter, but an hour ago i have banned anyone showing symptoms of doing so from connecting to my nodes. 1365828;1452476889;adlai;k 1365829;1452476898;*;adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo' 1365830;1452476921;asciilifeform;adlai can run whatever he likes ? 1365831;1452476943;adlai;exactly 1365832;1452476953;*;adlai must only write it... !down etc 1365833;1452477049;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365805 << incidentally, i surveyed all known routers on the market. all have severe ram constraint (very few better than pogo, costliest have perhaps 512m) and no sata, ever 1365834;1452477049;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 01:43:46; adlai: let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc. 1365835;1452477304;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: what does "Illegal Instruction" mean? 1365836;1452477308;thestringpuller;it is my only clue here... 1365837;1452477357;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://wiki.osdev.org/Exceptions#Invalid_Opcode 1365838;1452477358;assbot;Exceptions - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvsMp6 ) 1365839;1452477386;adlai;fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus 1365840;1452477392;asciilifeform;generally you will see this in trb if you built for $machine but you have $othermachine. 1365841;1452477403;*;adlai always had a thing for premature optimisation 1365842;1452477423;trinque;why would the utxo set always have to live in ram? 1365843;1452477446;adlai;it doesn't!but for fast yet-spam-resistent block verification, you need fast utxo invalidhation 1365844;1452477461;adlai;fast utxo invalidation is also achievable via wotification-of-everything 1365845;1452477472;adlai;but do we really want to go full wottard? 1365846;1452477474;asciilifeform;adlai: the latter is the only reasonable thing 1365847;1452477483;adlai;but... do we really want to go full wottard? 1365848;1452477490;asciilifeform;the 'general public' deserves ONE THING: to die in the sewers. 1365849;1452477506;asciilifeform;if you want something - BE SOMEBODY. 1365850;1452477510;adlai;meafar banu, leafar nakzor. 1365851;1452477552;adlai;(this is more of an efficiency question than ethics... as i said - premature optimization) 1365852;1452477570;asciilifeform;adlai: translation? 1365853;1452477593;adlai;"any WoT can grow large enough to accomodate two people who wish to slit each others' throats" 1365854;1452477614;adlai;oops, i meant - "from ashes we came, to dust we'll returnz" 1365855;1452477620;asciilifeform;l0l 1365856;1452477666;asciilifeform;hashes to hashes, dust to dust 1365857;1452477678;adlai;!b 7 1365858;1452477680;assbot;Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17QWX4T.txt ) 1365859;1452477687;adlai;!down adlai 1365860;1452477781;mircea_popescu;sciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v << yeah that's the why. but it ran on a desktop. 1365861;1452477781;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics 1365862;1452477801;asciilifeform;i had a 32-bit build on (unreleased) 'rotolinux' 1365863;1452477804;asciilifeform;(iso that booted to trb) 1365864;1452477824;asciilifeform;it is trivial to make. 1365865;1452477828;asciilifeform;(and of questionable use) 1365866;1452477849;mircea_popescu;was training exercise. 1365867;1452477937;mats;pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception 1365868;1452477989;mircea_popescu; fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus <<< this was discussed here a number of times, actually. 1365869;1452477989;asciilifeform;mats: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Private-Solution-Licenses-POGO-V4-A4-01/dp/B00776V3DI << $2 more 1365870;1452477991;assbot;Amazon.com: Pogoplug Office Secure Private Cloud Solution with 5 User Licenses (POGO-V4-A4-01): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvtP8w ) 1365871;1452478066;mircea_popescu;sooo... it pleases me to announce that private testing shows alf's patch not only removes 80% of bullshit "nodes" trying to connect, but it also improves network thoroughput by a factor of about 700 1365872;1452478108;mats;asciilifeform: oh, didn't spot that in a search for 'pogoplug series 4' 1365873;1452478113;mircea_popescu;i would strongly advise anyone using trb in production to at least test this patch. 1365874;1452478132;*;asciilifeform just tested and got ~15 second tx propagation. 1365875;1452478142;mats;asciilifeform: in fact, that doesn't look like a series 4 1365876;1452478167;mats;(which iirc is the one with sata dock) 1365877;1452478186;asciilifeform;mats: says 4 1365878;1452478195;mircea_popescu;adlai> but do we really want to go full wottard? << stop with the "we", and yes we do. 1365879;1452478196;asciilifeform;and the colour logo is not in the pic 1365880;1452478292;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: trb compilation detects machine architecture when building right? so build on machine run on same machine. or do I have to configure some flag for the machine I'm compiling + running on? 1365881;1452478297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00050082 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {2} 1365882;1452478306;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: absolutely not 1365883;1452478310;asciilifeform;does not detect anything 1365884;1452478315;asciilifeform;you gotta set it up!! 1365885;1452478331;mircea_popescu;mats> pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception << fortunately we have a bunch stashed. 1365886;1452478337;mircea_popescu;how much does it cost ? 1365887;1452478347;mircea_popescu;ah n, 1365888;1452478350;mircea_popescu;nm* 1365889;1452478437;asciilifeform;and apparently mats is correct, http://blog.qnology.com/p/difference-between-pogoplug-mobile-and.html 1365890;1452478438;assbot;Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Difference between Pogoplug Mobile and Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYTd7T ) 1365891;1452478477;asciilifeform;the pogos i bought for conf-3 were POGO-V4-A3-01 1365892;1452478498;asciilifeform;the amazon link earlier is a POGO-V4-A4-01. 1365893;1452478518;asciilifeform;the classical pogo (with sata) is now a full $10 more. 1365894;1452478533;mircea_popescu;i guess we made some money on carried stock. 1365895;1452478775;BingoBoingo; yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia 1365896;1452478789;*;asciilifeform off to pet pet 1365897;1452478934;BingoBoingo; this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. << Designed by putting candidates in agar with potential targets and seeing if werx 1365898;1452479003;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b13 1365899;1452479003;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b63 1365900;1452479004;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b15 1365901;1452479004;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b25 1365902;1452479005;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b28 1365903;1452479167;mircea_popescu;clearly bitbet lost a lot of confidence over the bitcoin-sucks debacle 1365904;1452479177;*;mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. 1365905;1452479281;mats;degenerates 1365906;1452479464;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365659 << I tried this February 2013 at around $20/Bitcoin with a few IRL contacts. Most gambled everything to nothing, the other one lost theirs to a pnoHe blockchain.info wallet. 1365907;1452479464;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 00:35:16; mircea_popescu: adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity. 1365908;1452479576;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1365909;1452479586;gribble;Current Blocks: 392749 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 370 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1365910;1452479902;BingoBoingo; already plenty of vermin crushed << Sweet 1365911;1452479944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00050631 = 10.7338 BTC [+] {2} 1365912;1452479976;BingoBoingo;PLS STAHP THE PM'S until I catch up on lawgs 1365913;1452480628;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia << makes me wonder if there are nodes out there that malleate/fellate txs from high-s to low-s and rebroadcast 1365914;1452480737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26119 @ 0.00049836 = 13.0167 BTC [-] {3} 1365915;1452481010;BingoBoingo; ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed 1365916;1452481316;BingoBoingo; hashes to hashes, dust to dust << Gotta keep the dust under control though. Fans and everything. 1365917;1452481515;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. << Likely 1365918;1452481553;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: YES THERE ARE, ADVERTISED EVEN, NO WONDERING REQUIRED! 1365919;1452481836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.0005016 = 4.0329 BTC [+] {4} 1365920;1452481897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7535 @ 0.00049781 = 3.751 BTC [-] 1365921;1452481901;BingoBoingo;It's even been pointed out here before. After the "mysterious" amaclin fellow malleated transactions to high-s the power rangers started operating some nodes that automalleated everything passing through to low-s 1365922;1452482012;BingoBoingo;Even without that it is clear from the BitBet payout problem that people are running nodes that malleate to low-s 1365923;1452482063;BingoBoingo;There's no need to wonder about things actually being seen on the network. 1365924;1452482150;ben_vulpes;'linker file input unused because linking not done' << anyone ever see this while compiling trb on open bsd? 1365925;1452482168;ben_vulpes;using scripts from stator ml post. 1365926;1452482229;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: nice find >> https://twitter.com/Disruptepreneur/status/686358988523319296 I wonder how it will play out. 1365927;1452482445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00050112 = 7.3164 BTC [+] {2} 1365928;1452482485;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Which GCC are you using? 1365929;1452482557;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: 4.2.1 1365930;1452482570;BingoBoingo;Is that the right version? 1365931;1452482606;ben_vulpes;i don't even know what the right version *would* be, beyond "not apple's" 1365932;1452482609;*;BingoBoingo doesn't remember details of the setup he uses to compile bastard client, should prolly work on that after getting some newsing done 1365933;1452482625;ben_vulpes;BaStarD client? 1365934;1452482669;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: The one where I apply alf patches to 0.7.2 after finding locations and they usually work 1365935;1452482689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00050112 = 12.4278 BTC [+] 1365936;1452482714;*;BingoBoingo was drunk for most of the chopping so most details are lost to history 1365937;1452482731;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: afaik nobody's done a proper crapple (clang) build as of yet 1365938;1452482747;asciilifeform;(and it is not clear why this'd be a useful thing) 1365939;1452482764;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that is not what i'm working on. 1365940;1452482771;ben_vulpes;and didn't fluffypony? 1365941;1452482772;asciilifeform;fwiw i have full bore civilized gcc toolchain on my salt mine mbp. 1365942;1452482786;asciilifeform;with gdb, etc. 1365943;1452482815;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc he used actual gcc 1365944;1452482931;ben_vulpes;anyways, this is all a bloody mystery to me. i've never seen a sh script crap out midway through and not run its remaining bits, but thats what stator seems to do over here. 1365945;1452482950;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365915 << remind me again why you have a sideshow thing and not trb 1365946;1452482950;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 02:56:50; BingoBoingo: ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed 1365947;1452482984;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what kind of box is 'over here' ? 1365948;1452482999;ben_vulpes;old macbook pro running openbsd 5.8 1365949;1452483004;asciilifeform;ah hm 1365950;1452483006;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have a linux trb, but I keep sideshow because inertia and curiosity. 1365951;1452483017;ben_vulpes;totally vanilla install from bsd.rb 1365952;1452483028;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have an openbsd box here but it will not build trb, not enough ram (+swap even) 1365953;1452483034;asciilifeform;so i cannot replicate. 1365954;1452483041;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does it build /boost/? 1365955;1452483044;asciilifeform;nope 1365956;1452483050;ben_vulpes;hm. 1365957;1452483063;asciilifeform;it's a toshiba libretto 100ct. 1365958;1452483148;asciilifeform;iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer. 1365959;1452483155;asciilifeform;this is prolly the reasonable thing to do. 1365960;1452483184;asciilifeform;esp. now that it ACTUALLY WORKS because no more idiot glibc crud 1365961;1452483197;ben_vulpes;trb compiled just dandily on the ubuntu i had on the box previously 1365962;1452483224;ben_vulpes;machine in question has 4G of ram, should be 'all anyone ever needed' 1365963;1452483227;asciilifeform;my experience with openbsd for daily life has not been very satisfying 1365964;1452483240;asciilifeform;the build system is thoroughly infested with crud 1365965;1452483248;asciilifeform;e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus 1365966;1452483256;asciilifeform;EVEN ON GENTOO i do not suffer this 1365967;1452483257;asciilifeform;fuck it 1365968;1452483277;asciilifeform;full depoetteringization with ONE MOTHERFUCKING CONFIG LINE or go home. 1365969;1452483314;asciilifeform;i do not understand why openbsd is revered today 1365970;1452483327;asciilifeform;the founder is willfully blind and surrounded by usg monkeys 1365971;1452483334;asciilifeform;who 'speak for him' and insult mircea_popescu on his behalf 1365972;1452483353;asciilifeform;and they have done their work on the miserable os, and it shows 1365973;1452483385;ben_vulpes;if it continues to fail to compile trb i may embark on gentoo quest instead. 1365974;1452483417;asciilifeform;and theo boils his belt and accordion while 'aggressive queergendered' eat caviar in 'hackathons' 1365975;1452483424;trinque;there was an effort to shit portage onto openbsd 1365976;1452483443;asciilifeform;trinque: there was also an effort to stitch monkey and dog together 1365977;1452483444;trinque;stalled. 1365978;1452483445;asciilifeform;in the middle ages. 1365979;1452483452;trinque;hardly an apt comparison. 1365980;1452483467;asciilifeform;very apt, in that neither came to anything or is ever likely to. 1365981;1452483505;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1365982;1452483506;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AH6BWE.txt ) 1365983;1452483551;trinque;heh 1365984;1452483560;asciilifeform;hm, does anybody even update bashlog any moar. 1365985;1452483625;*;adlai recalls something about calls for moderation 1365986;1452483639;trinque;davout was conscripted 1365987;1452483656;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365969 << possibly the same psychological process that makes people proud of impenetrable shell scripts for munging text 1365988;1452483656;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:35:14; asciilifeform: i do not understand why openbsd is revered today 1365989;1452483663;kakobrekla;anyone else wanna be bash mod? 1365990;1452483680;trinque;ben_vulpes: ahem. Makefile. 1365991;1452483703;ben_vulpes;heh. 1365992;1452483716;adlai;kakobrekla: what are the qualifications? L4? ability to verify deeds? these things have to be selective, to keep out idiots... 1365993;1452483731;ben_vulpes;i'm curious to see if your makefile works on this (apprently) insane device, trinque. 1365994;1452483737;trinque;I don't buy it 1365995;1452483760;trinque;the *whole world* is made of shit 1365996;1452483766;trinque;I'm quite liking the texture of this turd atm 1365997;1452483787;ben_vulpes;don't you dare grow proud of tools that you made to wrap your hands around the shitworld's throat trinque. it's not a symbolics machine! 1365998;1452483824;kakobrekla;adlai i dunno, not being an idiot goes a long way. 1365999;1452483866;adlai;the problem, as our mopheaded joo 'discovered', is that even human stupidity is relative 1366000;1452483934;adlai;;;later tell mike_c candle charts lacking a couple weeks of recency 1366001;1452483934;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1366002;1452483946;kakobrekla;theres also absolute stupidity, no? 1366003;1452483960;adlai;how do you measure it? 1366004;1452483970;adlai;if it's absolute, you should be able to build a stupidometer 1366005;1452483981;adlai;composed of nothing but lead and plutonium 1366006;1452484013;adlai;maybe a smattering of !down syndrome, but that makes in non-absoloot 1366007;1452484070;adlai;who runs mpex.re btw? it's consistently returning empty html tables :( 1366008;1452484082;adlai;ah there we go. 1366009;1452484109;*;adlai swears he tried enough times to justify the spam... goodnight now, may tomorrow be soberer and less smeared with shit 1366010;1452484119;kakobrekla;im not convinced absolutity is the absolute condition for measurability 1366011;1452484174;asciilifeform;;;seen mike_c 1366012;1452484175;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already 1366013;1452484187;adlai;!s seen mike_c 1366014;1452484188;assbot;103 results for 'seen mike_c' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seen+mike_c 1366015;1452484202;asciilifeform;anybody have a finger on him in meatspace ? 1366016;1452484206;asciilifeform;mod6 ? 1366017;1452484217;adlai;dude vaporized from the face of the logs, although apparently still receives ;;later tells 1366018;1452484235;kakobrekla;how would you know that? 1366019;1452484244;adlai;action and reaction 1366020;1452484244;mod6;asciilifeform: naw, i dont 1366021;1452484248;ben_vulpes;speed at which he brought btcalpha back up? 1366022;1452484261;ben_vulpes;one could...email the man. 1366023;1452484262;kakobrekla;this doesnt mean he actually read it. 1366024;1452484271;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1366025;1452484280;ben_vulpes;re: operating systems, i am looking forward to gabriel_laddel's thing. 1366026;1452484287;adlai;the fact that i mention foucault all the time doesn't mean anybody pays attention to me obsessively quoting it, either 1366027;1452484295;trinque;ben_vulpes: that thing gets to be called a desktop environment at best 1366028;1452484296;adlai;lol! 1366029;1452484305;adlai;ben_vulpes: have you followed "cl os" thread much? 1366030;1452484308;kakobrekla;most of the time when assbots drops down i get yelled at but i almost never actually do something about it to bring it back, yet here it is. 1366031;1452484315;adlai;in the wider-than-ba sense of 'thread' 1366032;1452484334;adlai;even loper died 1366033;1452484350;*;adlai takes off hat << ami doin it rite? 1366034;1452484364;adlai;!down adlai 1366035;1452484366;asciilifeform;adlai: dies properly when i'm dead 1366036;1452484386;asciilifeform;until then, we zombie along, throwing maggotrous pieces at people 1366037;1452484413;ben_vulpes;trinque: sure. 1366038;1452484414;trinque;I just huddle inside emacs talking to myself 1366039;1452484444;ben_vulpes;;;later tell adlai not particularly. 1366040;1452484445;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1366041;1452484469;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem 1366042;1452484469;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:51:20; ben_vulpes: re: operating systems, i am looking forward to gabriel_laddel's thing. 1366043;1452484473;ben_vulpes;emacs is a good example of tools with which to throttle complexity, aka intelligence augmentation 1366044;1452484477;asciilifeform;that is quite certainly rotten to all hell 1366045;1452484602;ben_vulpes;tangentially related, i ran across 'sorcerer' the other day. funny little corner of linux, that. 1366046;1452484671;asciilifeform;was sorta like a micro-gentoo 1366047;1452484677;ben_vulpes;lol "the popularity of a tool is proportionate to the amount of time it makes its users waste" 1366048;1452484690;asciilifeform;but, iirc, didn't have USE flags and other niceties 1366049;1452484751;asciilifeform;http://sorcerer.highsphere.net << loads but links dead 1366050;1452484752;assbot;Sorcerer Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1mPoWcU ) 1366051;1452484755;asciilifeform;sad. 1366052;1452484765;ben_vulpes;deathcomesforusall 1366053;1452484797;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not quite: 'Ленин - жил, Ленин - жив, Ленин - будет жить!' 1366054;1452485007;ben_vulpes;the odd unlucky derp attains immortality? 1366055;1452485122;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel 1366056;1452485513;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.82797180 BTC on 'No' - S&P 500 to close above 2000 on December 30th - http://bitbet.us/bet/1238/s-p-500-to-close-above-2000-on-december/#b4 1366057;1452485636;BingoBoingo;connection from 186.137.7.31:54829 dropped (banned) << Win 1366058;1452485678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00050409 = 4.562 BTC [+] 1366059;1452485737;BingoBoingo;ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command. << Bigger win. Debug.log is fun. 1366060;1452485767;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: "no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?" < Curiosity. 1366061;1452485778;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Spiffy keyboard. 1366062;1452486026;trinque;asciilifeform: for my curiosity, if the tubes have mouths, could your patch be used by $enemy to alter the topology of the network in ways beneficial to it? 1366063;1452486108;trinque;hitler doesn't want you to talk to nodes X Y Z, so he barfs up packets with a heathen commands. 1366064;1452487639;asciilifeform;trinque: i did say this to mircea_popescu. 1366065;1452487661;asciilifeform;trinque: plaintext node-node link is a doomed thing. 1366066;1452487858;BingoBoingo;!up raedah 1366067;1452488667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.0005039 = 9.0198 BTC [-] {3} 1366068;1452489132;phf;ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd. 1366069;1452489209;phf;the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction 1366070;1452489399;deedbot-;[Qntra] Reference Client Patch Bans Bloom Filter Parasites - http://qntra.net/2016/01/reference-client-patch-bans-bloom-filter-parasites/ 1366071;1452489439;phf;(trying to debug via serial cable on a pentium 233 is it's own kind of fun....) 1366072;1452489460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00049831 = 10.7884 BTC [-] {3} 1366073;1452489464;BingoBoingo;^ No promise IP in article was IP actually seen in debug.log 1366074;1452490375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21542 @ 0.00050644 = 10.9097 BTC [+] {2} 1366075;1452490668;ben_vulpes;programmers and their bonzai trees of complexity 1366076;1452490707;ben_vulpes;nightmare hybrid zen rock combing garden and jenga 1366077;1452490867;mats;i can't visualize this 1366078;1452490933;BingoBoingo;mats: Imagine the rocks are wet and the rake is sodium 1366079;1452490941;ben_vulpes;in freefall 1366080;1452490986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35104 @ 0.00049865 = 17.5046 BTC [-] 1366081;1452491079;mats;but where is the jenga 1366082;1452491129;ben_vulpes;aha it's backwards jenga 1366083;1452491138;ben_vulpes;you add new bits and try to not knock the whole thing over 1366084;1452491156;mats;one can't just smash japanesu words together with jenga and expect this to be comprehensible 1366085;1452491158;ben_vulpes;all the while gently raking the rocks and snipping ornamentally at the leaves 1366086;1452491169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4468 @ 0.00049865 = 2.228 BTC [-] 1366087;1452491808;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1366088;1452491811;gribble;Current Blocks: 392774 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 345 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1366089;1452492389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00050645 = 5.6976 BTC [+] 1366090;1452492878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00050645 = 2.6842 BTC [+] 1366091;1452493182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69350 @ 0.00050571 = 35.071 BTC [-] 1366092;1452493366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00049992 = 13.0479 BTC [-] {4} 1366093;1452494089;copypaste;mircea_popescu: i see you're having trouble with internet.bs - they seized a domain of mine without warning before, and only gave it back when i retained a lawyer in the Bahamas; the domain was 8chan.co 1366094;1452494191;BingoBoingo;copypaste: I suspect the reason you dislike pete_dushenski aping trilema is he comes from boring Canada and his cool factor and empire potential are limited by that. 1366095;1452494209;copypaste;i would further like to let you know that internet.bs has been sold since you and i registered our domains there, of course without notice to us 1366096;1452494226;copypaste;(if in fact you registered trilema.com on the creation day of 2009-06-07) 1366097;1452494250;copypaste;https://www.centralnic.com/company/news/2014/centralnic-buys-domain-name-registrar-internet-bs-ibs 1366098;1452494250;assbot;CentralNic buys domain name registrar Internet.bs (IBS) | Press from 2014 | Press | About | CentralNic ... ( http://bit.ly/1RF4szm ) 1366099;1452494363;BingoBoingo;copypaste: He changed registrars from namecheap when they went derpy web 2.goatse 1366100;1452494389;copypaste;internet.bs changed my nameservers to IBS controlled nameservers which served their own ads and intercepted all cookies to the 8chan.co domain 1366101;1452494402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24343 @ 0.00050648 = 12.3292 BTC [+] {4} 1366102;1452494437;copypaste;well BingoBoingo, i'd also recommend you read this in case you need a refresher on how DNS actually works http://www.kimmoa.se/The_rotten_and_corrupt_Domain_Name_System/ 1366103;1452494438;assbot;The rotten and corrupt Domain Name System (DNS; EuroDNS = thieves) - KimmoA.se ... ( http://bit.ly/1RF4Nlu ) 1366104;1452494456;BingoBoingo;DNS works as NSA spyware 1366105;1452494467;copypaste;people who own domains are absolutely at the mercy of the registering company, because the registering company IS the actual owner according to ICANN 1366106;1452494474;BingoBoingo;Yes 1366107;1452494475;copypaste;and ICANN is a corrupt organization because it's USG affiliated 1366108;1452494505;BingoBoingo;And Glibc DNS functions force dynamic linking which is why excised from trb 1366109;1452494519;copypaste;i really hope trilema.com will stay online and they won't steal it, but based on my interactions with internet.bs i'm worried 1366110;1452494532;copypaste;i recommend you retain an attorney in the bahamas like i did 1366111;1452494583;BingoBoingo;win https://twitter.com/guruvan/status/686432614018891776 1366112;1452494606;copypaste;BingoBoingo: we all know that the best DNS system is a GPG based one. private key trumps all nebulous ideas of "ownership" and "terms of service". 1366113;1452494617;BingoBoingo;"@qntra we always recommend running your own nodes for security. To run with "altruism" as one's security plan is nothing but a fool's errand" 1366114;1452494656;BingoBoingo;;;later tell guruvan thank you for stepping up on this issue 1366115;1452494657;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1366116;1452494679;mats;whats this gpg based dns system 1366117;1452494709;copypaste;it doesn't exist but in my own head 1366118;1452494714;BingoBoingo;gossipd 1366119;1452494717;copypaste;but, it would be the best system ever made. 1366120;1452494721;copypaste;(for DNS _) 1366121;1452494795;BingoBoingo;namecoin could have not sucked, but too late for that 1366122;1452494827;copypaste;indeed. the problem with DNS is how entrenched it is. 1366123;1452494867;copypaste;honestly after this happened to me i went into a deep depression that took months to recover from; all of my perceptions of the internet were shattered. and as an aside that's why i no longer own 8chan 1366124;1452494890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16786 @ 0.00050688 = 8.5085 BTC [+] {3} 1366125;1452494949;BingoBoingo;Muh feels 1366126;1452494951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7705 @ 0.00050729 = 3.9087 BTC [+] 1366127;1452495086;ben_vulpes;copypaste: were you the guy running mp's ads? 1366128;1452495090;BingoBoingo;But yeah, my perceptions of the internet continually break and have to recompile 1366129;1452495103;copypaste;yes i was ben_vulpes, for the month that they were paid for 1366130;1452495132;copypaste;renegotiation of that contract would have to be with ads@8ch.net , not me 1366131;1452495174;copypaste;it's probably not worth it though, 8chan is moribund 1366132;1452495294;ben_vulpes;eyeballs are fickle. 1366133;1452495344;copypaste;it has a chance of bouncing back, in the same way that gavin's career has a chance of bouncing back 1366134;1452495355;copypaste;it could happen sure; will it? it's not likely 1366135;1452495441;copypaste;BingoBoingo: now i never make assumptions about ownership. quite the opposite. if it's not backed by a private key i just assume i don't own it, less disappointment that way. 1366136;1452495457;BingoBoingo;ic 1366137;1452495561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00050662 = 45.7478 BTC [-] {8} 1366138;1452495654;BingoBoingo;K, qntra's slow seems to have a touch of the DDoS. Going to sleep. Anyone who wants to write about Intel's Skylake already having a rowhammer exploit coded for its DDR4 controler feel free to sumbit a piece. 1366139;1452497513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00050899 = 6.9732 BTC [+] {2} 1366140;1452499038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00051112 = 1.7889 BTC [+] 1366141;1452501600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00050313 = 2.1886 BTC [-] {2} 1366142;1452501905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050757 = 7.6136 BTC [+] {3} 1366143;1452501966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29836 @ 0.00050312 = 15.0111 BTC [-] {3} 1366144;1452502374;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b8 1366145;1452502454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24088 @ 0.0005144 = 12.3909 BTC [+] {3} 1366146;1452503735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00050099 = 15.4305 BTC [-] 1366147;1452504406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18781 @ 0.0005168 = 9.706 BTC [+] {4} 1366148;1452504915;punkman;http://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/726/ 1366149;1452504916;assbot;Verizon Routing Millions of IP Addresses for Cybercrime Gangs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEMJXr ) 1366150;1452506541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00051705 = 4.214 BTC [+] 1366151;1452506968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00051282 = 13.3333 BTC [-] {4} 1366152;1452507864;punkman;http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a4a9a650-b807-11e5-bf7e-8a339b6f2164.html 1366153;1452507865;assbot;Shenzhen closes down 6.6% as China market rout continues - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJ9w6B ) 1366154;1452508005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5001 BTC [-] {2} 1366155;1452509103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00051023 = 4.2094 BTC [-] 1366156;1452509939;punkman;!up nikthebookie 1366157;1452510079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32968 @ 0.00051617 = 17.0171 BTC [+] {5} 1366158;1452510140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20082 @ 0.00051713 = 10.385 BTC [+] 1366159;1452510384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00051724 = 20.793 BTC [+] {2} 1366160;1452510875;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364575 depends which yurp. the slovakistan healthcare deteriorates so quickly that all pregnant women i know did at least consider it. 1366161;1452510875;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp. 1366162;1452510926;jurov;only few days ago heating in biggest hospital in bratislava fell out and they had to haul women in labour around 1366163;1452510939;kakobrekla;natural = in the barn ? 1366164;1452510963;jurov;no, home, usually in the tub 1366165;1452510992;jurov;with some professional assistant available 1366166;1452511026;kakobrekla;yeah, midwifes 1366167;1452511108;jurov;lulz were when they asked PM about it while he ran his 3rd pressconference about syrian refugees in month 1366168;1452511134;jurov;he literally said "stfu, the boiler room is not my responsibility" 1366169;1452512458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14341 @ 0.00051737 = 7.4196 BTC [+] {4} 1366170;1452512824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49243 @ 0.00051821 = 25.5182 BTC [+] {3} 1366171;1452512885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00051911 = 5.3468 BTC [+] 1366172;1452515142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00051603 = 6.5536 BTC [-] {4} 1366173;1452515752;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYZCvIIUsAAJRPP.jpg:large 1366174;1452515752;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhQhBL ) 1366175;1452515831;shinohai;srsly? Life in the land of the free .... 1366176;1452516265;punkman;http://www.deathandtaxes.com/antigovviolence.pdf 1366177;1452516267;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhQLI5 ) 1366178;1452516362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00050727 = 4.9205 BTC [-] 1366179;1452517277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00050624 = 2.2482 BTC [-] {3} 1366180;1452517962;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364932 They will laugh at you back with your cravings of sugar. 1366181;1452517962;assbot;Logged on 10-01-2016 06:21:12; BingoBoingo: Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal) 1366182;1452518050;adlai;!t m s.mpoe 1366183;1452518050;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00048327 / 0.00050429 / 0.00051911 (1339213 shares, 675.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050131 / 0.00052085 (8567396 shares, 4,295.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00049646 / 0.00052085 (85080661 shares, 42,239.77 BTC) 1366184;1452518140;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366010 << you mean measurabilititty. 1366185;1452518140;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:48:39; kakobrekla: im not convinced absolutity is the absolute condition for measurability 1366186;1452518225;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366026 << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=foucault lettuce not get ahead of our selves. 1366187;1452518225;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:51:27; adlai: the fact that i mention foucault all the time doesn't mean anybody pays attention to me obsessively quoting it, either 1366188;1452518226;assbot;3 results for 'foucault' - #bitcoin-assets search 1366189;1452518287;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218408 << "never keep"? what does this even 1366190;1452518287;assbot;Logged on 30-07-2015 19:17:09; shinohai: Books too, they had a hard-on for Umberto Eco for some reason, and I could never keep a copy of Foucault's Pendulum 1366191;1452518355;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366041 << more importantly, it's not clear to me portage is even useful anymore. since v i mean. 1366192;1452518355;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:54:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem 1366193;1452518433;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366053 << i had no idea lenin shat in the bidet before. 1366194;1452518433;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:59:57; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not quite: 'Ленин - жил, Ленин - жив, Ленин - будет жить!' 1366195;1452518469;mircea_popescu;"lenin, lived ; lenin, lives ; lenin shat in the bidet!" 1366196;1452518570;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366063 <<< certainly. which is why trb nodes are not all advertised, and we're eagerly awaiting seeing this "pure coincidence". 1366197;1452518570;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 04:21:48; trinque: hitler doesn't want you to talk to nodes X Y Z, so he barfs up packets with a heathen commands. 1366198;1452518575;mircea_popescu;that "never happened" 1366199;1452518576;mircea_popescu;and etc. 1366200;1452518857;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366093 << not exactly, at least not yet. we had an exchange, they backed off. (last i heard was "We have already asked the complainant to contact the webhost as we do not provide hosting services and cannot remove any content from the website. We are awaiting their response and will forward you the details once they respond." which is exactly what one'd expect sane people 1366201;1452518857;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 06:34:49; copypaste: mircea_popescu: i see you're having trouble with internet.bs - they seized a domain of mine without warning before, and only gave it back when i retained a lawyer in the Bahamas; the domain was 8chan.co 1366202;1452518857;mircea_popescu; would say to try and extricate themselves from the potential mess). 1366203;1452518892;mircea_popescu;from what intel reports they had a cowboy period ~in2014 when they stole a bunch of domains, got slapped with some suits, lost a coupla worth their income for the decade and settled right the fuck down. 1366204;1452518959;mircea_popescu;anyway, judging by the [Ticket#2015121310000406] header it'd seem they sat on this for almost a month - from dec 13 to jan 9th. but whatevers, i was just looking for a pretext to throw the whole dns bullshit away anyway. 1366205;1452518971;mircea_popescu;i want domain names like i want a wide selection of hats. 1366206;1452519278;adlai;"naked people have little to no influence on society" - mark twain iirc? 1366207;1452519290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00050485 = 11.0562 BTC [-] {4} 1366208;1452519300;mircea_popescu;this was pre-mp. 1366209;1452519316;mircea_popescu;these days, dressed women will have little influence on society. 1366210;1452519498;copypaste;interesting mircea_popescu. i won't ask where you got that intel from, but it means i wasn't the only one affected 1366211;1452519509;copypaste;and i wasn't the only one to open cases in bahamas courts 1366212;1452519515;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366096 << no, i moved it a few weeks ago. 1366213;1452519515;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 06:37:06; copypaste: (if in fact you registered trilema.com on the creation day of 2009-06-07) 1366214;1452519544;mircea_popescu;copypaste tons of people were affected and the eventual sale was related. 1366215;1452519583;mircea_popescu;originally i registered the domain with namecheap ; originally namecheap was a great registrar. meanwhile they went to utter shit, the story is both on trilema an' in the logs. 1366216;1452519629;copypaste;do you have a comment on the kimmoa.se article? i think it's spot on but you definitely know all the details already 1366217;1452519635;copypaste;DNS is ICANN and ICANN is USG 1366218;1452519639;copypaste;therefore DNS is USG 1366219;1452519642;copypaste;no way around it. 1366220;1452519647;mircea_popescu;which article is this ? 1366221;1452519661;copypaste;i linked it above in the log 1366222;1452519667;mircea_popescu;ahj saw it 1366223;1452519676;copypaste;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366102 1366224;1452519676;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 06:40:37; copypaste: well BingoBoingo, i'd also recommend you read this in case you need a refresher on how DNS actually works http://www.kimmoa.se/The_rotten_and_corrupt_Domain_Name_System/ 1366225;1452519800;mircea_popescu;i can't make any sense of said article, myself. 1366226;1452519809;mircea_popescu;so guy is pissed off and likes to call things names. fine. 1366227;1452519849;mircea_popescu;for one thing, if half a mil is " you can just forget about that right away." to you, then on what the fuck is your expectation to participate in the workings of society based ?! 1366228;1452519869;mircea_popescu;obviously EVERY naming system will work exactly like the dns, or like the wot works : either be at the table, or be a child looking for parents. 1366229;1452519872;mircea_popescu;how else ? 1366230;1452519897;copypaste;the wot works better than DNS 1366231;1452519903;copypaste;because the WoT is keybased 1366232;1452519906;copypaste;and DNS is fiat biased 1366233;1452519918;copypaste;i would accept a WoT DNS 1366234;1452519921;mircea_popescu;well, yes, because it wasn't made by idiots. but the fundamental point remains : someone excluded could re-use that article by re-writing 5 words. 1366235;1452519947;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact you can run a dns server right now, and tell everyone to use it, and for everyone who does use it... your version of the ns will be visible. 1366236;1452519960;mircea_popescu;heck, there was a bitcoin-based thing that kinda worked on that premise. namecoin. 1366237;1452519967;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b28 1366238;1452519980;copypaste;oh sure, but you don't get to create names on the real DNS 1366239;1452519983;copypaste;the one anyone cares about 1366240;1452519986;mircea_popescu;there is no "real" dns. 1366241;1452519989;copypaste;it's like making an altcoin 1366242;1452520021;copypaste;ICANN has given themselves authority to make new TLDs, ICANN has given themselves ultimate authority over names 1366243;1452520024;mircea_popescu;well yes. your choices are : either have enough power / capiutal / value to acquire enough actual btc to matter in that world ; or else to get used to not mattering in the world ; or else to have even more power and force an alt into being. 1366244;1452520033;mircea_popescu;no, the usg has given icann such authority. 1366245;1452520043;adlai;someday somebody will care enough about this to cannibalize what's left of namecoin and build a proper Bitcoin DNS 1366246;1452520054;mircea_popescu;and every derp out there in indonesia or peru or wherever saving in dollars in preference of my currency, or his president's currency, has given usg such power. 1366247;1452520081;mircea_popescu;if they change that behaviour, the world will re-arrange and so on. 1366248;1452520081;copypaste;"la florida and other places" 1366249;1452520086;copypaste;:) 1366250;1452520087;adlai;maybe naming systems shouldn't be design around "investment" and flipping ownership each month! 1366251;1452520087;mircea_popescu;that one yeah. 1366252;1452520098;mircea_popescu;there is no other way to design a naming system. 1366253;1452520108;adlai;other than? 1366254;1452520124;*;adlai wasn't aware that there was one single blessed version, DNS is just the good-enough fiat leftover that we have today 1366255;1452520130;mircea_popescu;this goes all the way down to actual working of language. do we power the ns that calls me racist and evil ? do we power the ns that calls tess d'urberville or w/e her name is fat and obama an idiot ? 1366256;1452520133;mircea_popescu;you can't have two. 1366257;1452520157;adlai;they can bid it off 1366258;1452520166;mircea_popescu;naming is by its nature this : that there will be a group in power, allocating the names, and everyone else can go suck it. 1366259;1452520383;mircea_popescu;ha-ha. this is what i'll call the delusion of heysteve, this "they can bid it off", after http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300465 1366260;1452520383;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:23:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don' 1366261;1452520403;mircea_popescu;who the fuck do you think you are that they'd bother to "bid it off" ? they won't bid it off in front of you, they'll just ignore your delusion. 1366262;1452520499;copypaste;i don't see why naming has to be this way. 1366263;1452520510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00050726 = 1.4711 BTC [+] {2} 1366264;1452520514;copypaste;naming based on the bitcoin blockchain is best. i own this bitcoin private key, i own this domain. 1366265;1452520520;copypaste;it's already like that on the tor network. 1366266;1452520527;copypaste;i own this private key, i own domain derpxxxxx.onion. 1366267;1452520536;copypaste;you can;'t take it away from me unless you get the key. that's how naming should be. 1366268;1452520561;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the name zooko ? 1366269;1452520569;copypaste;dns was good in the time of fiat, it's worthless for the new paradigm. 1366270;1452520582;copypaste;i'm not unfortunately. 1366271;1452520595;mircea_popescu;yes. well, look into the zooko triangle. 1366272;1452520609;mircea_popescu;yes, naming can work like that, if 8chan.co and 94875984375983.jksldak are the same to you. 1366273;1452520653;mircea_popescu;otherwise, a bitcoin vanity address with five specified letters (out of the whole set) takes a day. 1366274;1452520701;punkman;might as well do gpg-signed /etc/hosts entries 1366275;1452520730;mircea_popescu;quite. 1366276;1452520939;mircea_popescu;in fact, v-powered /etc/hosts may even be a serious improvement over the current situation. 1366277;1452520970;mircea_popescu;"i want to use the dns for back-up, whenever what ~these~ people use doesn't contain an answer". seems pretty cool. 1366278;1452521036;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, how the dns was actually designed to be used. the current centralist windowstardian webstupidity only works the way it works because of the userbase. the design is fine, but "everyone"| and "has come to expect" and bullshit like that make people pretend like a suboptimal local maximum is relevant to the graph. well... it ain't. 1366279;1452521141;mircea_popescu;hey panzers... we actually game to doing this ? it really dun cost much and it does resolve an actual problem, provide a serious incentive to participate, makes nice media headlines... low hanging fruit. 1366280;1452521435;mircea_popescu;it can even run as an antispam service in parallel. if i go 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net in my file, you won't be seeing any ads from them in your browser, no matter what they do. 1366281;1452521561;mircea_popescu;it also introduces a kinda dubious but possibly useful ddos protector, in the sense that one can run different ips for the meatriver and for the wotdns. 1366282;1452521563;shinohai;That would be stellar 1366283;1452521632;mircea_popescu;lettuce see what trinque ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov kakobrekla & co say when they wakeup 1366284;1452522198;mircea_popescu;o hey, what happened to guruvan 1366285;1452522200;mircea_popescu;;;seen guruvan 1366286;1452522201;gribble;guruvan was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 13 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: have the right key in there? 1366287;1452522211;mircea_popescu;!up guruvan 1366288;1452522215;*;mircea_popescu waves 1366289;1452522430;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365829 if you insist on people telling you what you "must" or "we must do" then I'll tell you this: you must study what was done already before spamming opinions around. 1366290;1452522430;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 01:48:18; *: adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo' 1366291;1452522469;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366130 << i suspect i had an incorrect idea of your involvement with that thing. 1366292;1452522469;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 06:52:12; copypaste: renegotiation of that contract would have to be with ads@8ch.net , not me 1366293;1452522487;mircea_popescu;i tend to do this "X's item" because that's how the republic works. obviously, not how the fiatosphere does. 1366294;1452522499;jurov;as you can see i've woken up, still have a half a day to go 1366295;1452522506;jurov;or it's urgent? 1366296;1452522525;mircea_popescu;nah not urgent, just important. 1366297;1452522767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00051069 = 12.6651 BTC [+] {3} 1366298;1452523247;copypaste;mircea_popescu: i suspect i also had an incorrect idea of my involvement with that thing 1366299;1452523257;mircea_popescu;hahaha 1366300;1452523647;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366164 <<< if they do it right after a run of bootleg liquour, it also disinfects! 1366301;1452523647;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 11:16:03; jurov: no, home, usually in the tub 1366302;1452523691;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366176 << ahahaha what the shit. 1366303;1452523691;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 12:44:25; punkman: http://www.deathandtaxes.com/antigovviolence.pdf 1366304;1452523727;mircea_popescu;this wouldn't be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ would it ? 1366305;1452523728;assbot;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGaxvt ) 1366306;1452523782;mircea_popescu;in any case, http://www.deathandtaxes.com/?p=58 << shot a cop! 1366307;1452524048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13591 @ 0.00051259 = 6.9666 BTC [+] {2} 1366308;1452524741;copypaste;i wish there were a statically compiled eulora without all these dependencies 1366309;1452524755;thestringpuller;there's binaries copypaste 1366310;1452524777;copypaste;i keep trying on and off to take MP's invitation to play, but i keep being dissuaded by the large effort required on my part :p 1366311;1452524798;thestringpuller;that's understandable. it's like playing dwarf fortress for the first time I 'spose 1366312;1452524826;copypaste;quite 1366313;1452524993;thestringpuller;i'm waiting for combat/dungeon crawling before I start to get heavily invested. 1366314;1452525024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00050414 = 6.6042 BTC [-] {2} 1366315;1452525063;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to run it on ? 1366316;1452525284;copypaste;arch linux x86_64, and shitty pinoy internet to boot 1366317;1452525388;mircea_popescu;hm, did you try teh http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu stuff ? i dun recall if anyone ever tried it on arch specifically but by and large should work. 1366318;1452525391;assbot;Ubuntu - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6vTgQ ) 1366319;1452525398;mircea_popescu;and spit out a usable binary within half an hour. 1366320;1452525439;copypaste;i had some compiler error, i'll have to try again to bring it back up 1366321;1452525447;copypaste;it was getting late so i just shut down and then got busy with other things 1366322;1452525449;copypaste;as things go 1366323;1452525459;copypaste;i only remembered as i was sorting my inbox and saw the invitation again 1366324;1452525463;mircea_popescu;aha. there's a buncha people that can prolly halp if you get a specific error. 1366325;1452525465;jurov;wywialm failed on problems to find corrswtionding arch packages 1366326;1452525476;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1366327;1452525476;jurov;so if you get further, you can at least publish them 1366328;1452525490;mircea_popescu;s/corrswtionding/corresponding ? 1366329;1452525495;jurov;corrswtionding -> corresponding 1366330;1452525500;copypaste;perhaps i could even make a PKGBUILD if i get it to work, if it pleases you guys 1366331;1452525500;mircea_popescu;at least if we have some names we can bitch at arch ppl specifically. 1366332;1452525505;copypaste;i have a few PKGBUILDs in the AUR 1366333;1452525512;mircea_popescu;if you do you prolly get some game goodies at any rate. 1366334;1452525562;jurov;copypaste: and do paste the compiler log (whole if possible). 1366335;1452525652;mircea_popescu;one of the most encouraging things about eulora's economy that i see myself is - i keep a running total of player cash and of player assets. and the latter has been a monotonously increasing function ever since forever. the appetite for materials seems outright insatiable. 1366336;1452525694;mircea_popescu;and in fact from the micro perspective i dun recall anything being offered for sale and not selling, yet. 1366337;1452525714;copypaste;i very much love the concept of a 3d game with a bitcoin economy. i've played a few, but all poorly done. 1366338;1452525718;copypaste;made by derps for derps 1366339;1452525727;mircea_popescu;well the gfx here aren't too advanced, 1366340;1452525745;copypaste;i mean poorly done in the community sense, in the conomy sense, in the sense of rules 1366341;1452525748;mircea_popescu;but if you read the #eulora log.... ( http://logs.minigame.bz ) 1366342;1452525748;assbot;#Eulora Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGh0Gz ) 1366343;1452525781;mircea_popescu;i honestly believe it's the best done game, as far as the underlying "rules" go. owner delusion or not. 1366344;1452525809;mircea_popescu;considering it's been played for nigh on a year and people don't even know wtf those rules even are... 1366345;1452525836;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this insatiable need for materials will only increase when people start killing things and going to war etc. 1366346;1452525844;mircea_popescu;possibru 1366347;1452525864;thestringpuller;reminds me distinctly of star wars galaxies before Sony ruined the game. 1366348;1452525874;mircea_popescu;of course, no major player quit yet. that's usually a principal source of excess goods 1366349;1452525890;thestringpuller;cause "consumer has come to expect" but I don't think consumers will be problem for eulora 1366350;1452525912;thestringpuller;but in essence eulora is more than a game, and more of a living world that people virtually inhabit 1366351;1452525961;mircea_popescu;not so far. ironically... if you go by a timeplay metric, december saw 64722 player-hours, which is seriously more than what MOST games see. 1366352;1452525994;mircea_popescu;for that matter, usual graphics intensive "AAA" title has what, 50 hours in it ? if not 30. 1366353;1452526070;thestringpuller;the time sinks in those games are relative unfortunately because it's more effective to leave player wanting more, thus AAA publisher forces studio to make another game 1366354;1452526103;thestringpuller;diminishing returns can get really dull after say 80 hours into a game with only 50 hours of story 1366355;1452526233;mircea_popescu;tru 1366356;1452526248;deedbot-;[Trilema] What to do when spammers spam you ? Why... offer them work, of course! Capitalism saves lives. Touch the screen now! Heal! - http://trilema.com/2016/what-to-do-when-spammers-spam-you-why-offer-them-work-of-course-capitalism-saves-lives-touch-the-screen-now-heal/ 1366357;1452526282;thestringpuller;as a side note, I know a player with 300 days of playtime on FFXI. Although it's been out since 2002-2003ish 1366358;1452526298;thestringpuller;(300 24 hours intervals) 1366359;1452526301;mircea_popescu;;;calc 300 * 24 * 3600 1366360;1452526301;gribble;25920000 1366361;1452526320;mircea_popescu;well... nobody in eulora there yet. 1366362;1452526354;thestringpuller;Eulora will grow as it needs to. It's impressive. 1366363;1452526383;thestringpuller;WoW killed the MMO, Eulora will rebirth it. 1366364;1452526422;mircea_popescu;hopefully. 1366365;1452526449;mircea_popescu;eulora record is actually a guy with 13919282 connecterd time. 1366366;1452526455;mircea_popescu;not gonna say who, other than it's not even me! 1366367;1452526458;mircea_popescu;fucking unfair. 1366368;1452526491;thestringpuller;that's impressive 1366369;1452526502;mircea_popescu;anyway, the first accounts are from early june, so "nigh on a year" ain'\t really fair. half year. 1366370;1452526639;danielpbarron;probably me 1366371;1452526646;jurov;what does DNS-replacement-by-v need to be done? just take your /etc/hosts, sign and publish, no? 1366372;1452526656;mircea_popescu;but yeah, i did notice it tends to suck people in. not everyone, but some people. 1366373;1452526659;thestringpuller;!up PeterL 1366374;1452526676;mircea_popescu;jurov im thinking more like a rotor script to build a local hosts out of, maybe, deedbotted things ? 1366375;1452526687;mircea_popescu;on the base of sigils etc. 1366376;1452526706;thestringpuller;Eulora has deep gameplay, which creates emergent phenomenon which is by design. The real interesting thing is mircea_popescu has figured out how to do this without spending a million a dollars. 1366377;1452526710;mircea_popescu;user can run it periodically. 1366378;1452526728;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1366379;1452526742;PeterL;BingoBoingo, My current lab is not set up to handle anything as dangerous as FOOF, would need a few kBTC to get something like that set up 1366380;1452526746;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the thing is, the meta-game is incredibly rich and very rewarding. usually the problem with making a game, as an enthusiast, is that fucking hell you know it so it's at best half as fun. 1366381;1452526753;jurov;what's a sigil? 1366382;1452526757;mircea_popescu;but because of the metagame this doesn't actually hold here. much to my satisfaction. 1366383;1452526770;mircea_popescu;jurov concept from v, it keeps a sigil directory. 1366384;1452526783;jurov;are these concepts, like, documented anywhere? 1366385;1452526793;mircea_popescu;heh. 1366386;1452526804;mircea_popescu;but he has a point, mod6 and ascii_butugychag : we should prolly document v. 1366387;1452526821;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366374 << much as mircea_popescu dislikes 'must x before y!1111' affairs, this really oughta run on gossipd. 1366388;1452526821;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 15:37:56; mircea_popescu: jurov im thinking more like a rotor script to build a local hosts out of, maybe, deedbotted things ? 1366389;1452526842;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it oughta, but it can run without it too, and it's seemingly easy enough to get started. 1366390;1452526842;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 had a pretty good guide to v 1366391;1452526856;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: can, but with a great deal of manual sweat 1366392;1452526860;mircea_popescu;the advantage of prototyping is that most major issues you will spend time working on, you encounter AFTER you're done designing. 1366393;1452526865;ascii_butugychag;does anyone actually need ~more~ sweat on his box ? 1366394;1452526891;mircea_popescu;what's the great deal ? 1366395;1452526902;mircea_popescu;either cron the updater or run it whenever you please. 1366396;1452526916;ascii_butugychag;how does updater know where to connect ? 1366397;1452526958;mircea_popescu;how does v currently know where to connect to build the rotor ? 1366398;1452526979;ascii_butugychag;my v connects nowhere 1366399;1452526991;mircea_popescu;not the question. 1366400;1452526991;ascii_butugychag;100% filesystem-based 1366401;1452527034;PeterL;so point the updater using a file 1366402;1452527070;ascii_butugychag;i'm just not personally convinced that names gotta be automatic 1366403;1452527079;mircea_popescu;nobody said they gotta be ? 1366404;1452527117;ascii_butugychag;well it is implicit in the reference to zooko's triangle 1366405;1452527136;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes mod6 : is there a way to look at what data messages/control messages are going over the wire or force their invocation in trb? or would that functionality need to be patched in to print to log/accept command from some source? 1366406;1452527152;mircea_popescu;the reference was to explain to copypaste why he can't have both worlds / what the use of current dns arrangement is. 1366407;1452527164;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: 'wireshark' (read-only) 1366408;1452527171;mircea_popescu;if i had to bruteforce sha256 to come up with the signature for "trilema.com" i probably wouldn't bother. 1366409;1452527184;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: thx. that's what I was thinking. will do. 1366410;1452527227;mircea_popescu;and it would definitely cost more than 10 bux. 1366411;1452527243;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i was always ok with '6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 likes to call himself mircea_popescu so why not' 1366412;1452527266;ascii_butugychag;the whole 'memorable centralized names' thing is inherently statal. 1366413;1452527277;mircea_popescu;sure. but i do notice he never registered 6F12EC72A82ABCA35235063A10DDC983901AA183.co 1366414;1452527334;mircea_popescu;(incidentally - if anyone here remembers the ancient discussion re naming services, which is how qntra ended up with that name at least in part - this system would be a necessarily optimal solution to that problem. it'd guarantee you need the minimum possible stroke count to get your desired destination. 1366415;1452527335;ascii_butugychag;he probably also never drove a cart hitched to a pack of stray dogs 1366416;1452527341;mircea_popescu;it'd also guarantee you wouldn't recognize it, but hey.) 1366417;1452527397;ascii_butugychag;i see names as necessarily a local (machine) matter. 1366418;1452527414;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag and there's no argument considered or offered that it's not statal. the discussion is that under some circumstances it is advantageous. 1366419;1452527437;mircea_popescu;iirc i even said - what that guy complains of, we'd also do. 1366420;1452527439;ascii_butugychag;aha i just got off a city train, likewise inherently statal, and advantageous 1366421;1452527445;mircea_popescu;quite. 1366422;1452527450;ascii_butugychag;incidentally there was a ragged black fella preaching about 9/11 inside job 1366423;1452527457;ascii_butugychag;and usg spreading aids, chemtrails, etc. 1366424;1452527464;ascii_butugychag;enjoyed a good hour of this 1366425;1452527469;mircea_popescu;but he wasn't the conductor. 1366426;1452527475;ascii_butugychag;no conductor 1366427;1452527520;ascii_butugychag;'don't believe me?!! look what's happening to yer greenbacks!!!111' 1366428;1452527523;ascii_butugychag;-- direct quote 1366429;1452527528;mircea_popescu;"Million Mask March: Many younger sovereigns are fascinated with ideas of a youth revolution, anarchy, and hacktivism (a portmanteau of hack and activism,) even though the majority of them are not particularly computer savvy. They often call themselves Anonymous and wear the mask and costume of the central character in the movie V for Vendetta." 1366430;1452527534;mircea_popescu;this is pretty lulzy. 1366431;1452527541;ascii_butugychag;^ old nyooz ? 1366432;1452527547;mircea_popescu;aha. 1366433;1452527587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29811 @ 0.00050889 = 15.1705 BTC [+] {3} 1366434;1452527588;copypaste;Anonymous are (rightfully) viewed as losers, or USG themselves, by most thinking people 1366435;1452527593;ascii_butugychag;cult film, what canyoudo 1366436;1452527614;shinohai;Anons lel 1366437;1452527614;mircea_popescu;"A few take it one step further by initiating violence in hopes of acting as a catalyst for this war. Timothy McVeighs goals, for example, werent just to murder 168 people, bring down a symbolic building, and punish the government for its role in the standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge. He wanted to make his mark in history by providing the Patriot movement with the spark that would light the fires of revolution. 1366438;1452527615;mircea_popescu; Ironically, the Sovereign movement is made up of highly paranoid people who tend to believe that every violent act in recent history is a false flag operation set in motion by the evil government, so the odds of such an event triggering a Revolution are quite slim." 1366439;1452527617;mircea_popescu;lulzy. 1366440;1452527689;ascii_butugychag;where was this 1366441;1452527736;mircea_popescu;earlier linked piece, random derpage. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366176 1366442;1452527736;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 12:44:25; punkman: http://www.deathandtaxes.com/antigovviolence.pdf 1366443;1452527833;ascii_butugychag;sovereigns ?!! 1366444;1452527850;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i finally got to the bottom of the shocking absence of anyone but caucasians from argentina (it is, literally, the whitest place on earth, up there with romania and i guess montana) 1366445;1452527897;mircea_popescu;older folk explained it to me. back when they had their various wars, they confronted paraguayans at some point, and managed to sell the slaves on the theory that black men make the best warrirors for which reason they must take the first lines. 1366446;1452527913;mircea_popescu;"y los paraguashos los mataron todos!" 1366447;1452527984;mircea_popescu;i suspect that as the century-old (and probably more grounded) view of black people as naturally cowardly and militarily worthless gives way to this purely symbolic "black is the new manhood", extermination approaches. 1366448;1452528014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00050953 = 13.579 BTC [+] 1366449;1452528020;ascii_butugychag;aha, only black fella i saw in b-a was a pilot 1366450;1452528075;mircea_popescu;some limited immigration was permitted of ex spanish african colonies 1366451;1452528096;mircea_popescu;but it mostly provides street vendors, and i'd be surprised if it makes up that many ppm. 1366452;1452528098;mircea_popescu;!up indiancandy1 1366453;1452528113;indiancandy1;HEY GANG 1366454;1452528124;mircea_popescu;bang! 1366455;1452528373;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366283 << this is an interesting idea. 1366456;1452528373;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 14:13:52; mircea_popescu: lettuce see what trinque ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov kakobrekla & co say when they wakeup 1366457;1452528418;mircea_popescu;mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for the concept of sigil ? 1366458;1452528443;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366390 << I do have a usage guide and quick-start guide... but maybe more of whats needed is not a reference manual, but an overall concept paper. 1366459;1452528443;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 15:40:42; ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 had a pretty good guide to v 1366460;1452528455;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1366461;1452528465;mircea_popescu;so that people can correctly develop on top of a shared core 1366462;1452528469;mircea_popescu;rather than you know... mess. 1366463;1452528531;ascii_butugychag;a sigil is a tuple of a seal & the thing-sealed. 1366464;1452528575;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1366465;1452528644;mircea_popescu;i thought sigil was the name of keys in v. 1366466;1452528660;ascii_butugychag;possibly 1366467;1452528664;ascii_butugychag;i dun think i named them 1366468;1452528667;mircea_popescu;right. 1366469;1452528668;ascii_butugychag;but this is a good one. 1366470;1452528673;ascii_butugychag;let's 1366471;1452528711;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366191 << complicated. v is deliberately unusable with 'fuzzy' flow 1366472;1452528711;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 13:19:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366041 << more importantly, it's not clear to me portage is even useful anymore. since v i mean. 1366473;1452528719;mircea_popescu;so atm, as a working theory : the correct working of the nosuchdns script would be a) look in sigils directory and build list of sigils ; b) look in repository (where ?) for what's signed by the sigils ; c) create a sort -u list of the aformenentioned and dump it in hosts as > ratrher thjan >> ? 1366474;1452528721;ascii_butugychag;(e.g., you don't know EXACTLY bitwise what you want at a step) 1366475;1452528724;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for the concept of sigil ? << by definition, for me its a cryptographic signature (embossment) of a given input. 1366476;1452528740;mircea_popescu;mod6 so then what's a seal ? 1366477;1452528751;mircea_popescu;do sigils produce seals or do seals produce sigils. 1366478;1452528762;ascii_butugychag;let's sigils produce seals! 1366479;1452528768;ascii_butugychag;this is the proper meaning. 1366480;1452528782;mircea_popescu;i thought so too. 1366481;1452528783;mod6;ah, to me that's what i took 'sigil' to mean, 'a seal'. I may misunderstand the language. 1366482;1452528785;ascii_butugychag;sigil =~= rsa modulus 1366483;1452528794;ascii_butugychag;seal ~= rsa modular exponentiant. 1366484;1452528817;ascii_butugychag;(at least for now, at some point folks might start using lattice or even, fuck, lamport signatures) 1366485;1452528829;mircea_popescu;maybe in 2017. 1366486;1452528913;ascii_butugychag;(for n00bz: lamport signature is to signing approx. what otp is to encipherment) 1366487;1452529053;mircea_popescu;rather approx. 1366488;1452529090;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what about this fuzzy flow ? 1366489;1452529105;ascii_butugychag;approx same pain 1366490;1452529108;ascii_butugychag;but less gain. 1366491;1452529112;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1366492;1452529120;mircea_popescu;oh oh. yeah, re lamport. 1366493;1452529128;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: as for 'portage', think about it 1366494;1452529135;mircea_popescu;i am. 1366495;1452529139;mircea_popescu;do tell ? 1366496;1452529147;ascii_butugychag;the port tree does not specify the exact hash of executable built at each point 1366497;1452529155;ascii_butugychag;because nobody has a deterministic builder 1366498;1452529180;mircea_popescu;this simply means the port tree is curreently empty 1366499;1452529183;mircea_popescu;and will have to be filled. 1366500;1452529186;ascii_butugychag;it had, iirc, some (spotty) support for pgp 1366501;1452529193;ascii_butugychag;but nothing that would add up to sanity 1366502;1452529202;mircea_popescu;"smart people disagree because they do not share priors ; idiots disagree because they can't follow implications" 1366503;1452529212;ascii_butugychag;first need deterministic buildatron. 1366504;1452529232;ascii_butugychag;unfortunately this is not negotiable 1366505;1452529241;ascii_butugychag;gotta have this x before you can even think about y-ing. 1366506;1452529262;ascii_butugychag;and deterministic in the ~bitwise~ sense. 1366507;1452529282;ascii_butugychag;as in, i build on nintendo, mircea_popescu on cray, we get same elf output so long as we asked for same target and used same src. 1366508;1452529363;ascii_butugychag;all of the idiot indeterminate hiss on current boxes will have to go. 1366509;1452529405;ascii_butugychag;(recall when we diffed rotor builds ??) 1366510;1452529466;trinque;ascii_butugychag: what did you think of my simply checking the hash at the end of a build target? 1366511;1452529474;trinque;did it for downloads; trivial to do for a produced binary as well 1366512;1452529476;ascii_butugychag;as i said, 1366513;1452529480;ascii_butugychag;no, not trivial. 1366514;1452529485;ascii_butugychag;because gcc is full of shit 1366515;1452529499;ascii_butugychag;it shits out system-specific crud into the build. 1366516;1452529500;ascii_butugychag;try it. 1366517;1452529500;trinque;sure, trivial to check is all 1366518;1452529505;ascii_butugychag;CHECK is useless 1366519;1452529506;ascii_butugychag;needs to DIE 1366520;1452529522;trinque;mkay, how are you going to get gcc shitting consistently then? 1366521;1452529526;ascii_butugychag;for so long as the crud gets put there, you don't have deterministic build 1366522;1452529531;ascii_butugychag;you 1) patch gcc 1366523;1452529534;trinque;sure, I don't disagree 1366524;1452529540;ascii_butugychag;2) make sure src is EXACTLY SAME on all boxes. 1366525;1452529558;ascii_butugychag;not same binary? won't hash correctly, flow graph cannot proceed. 1366526;1452529590;*;trinque slaps his forehead 1366527;1452529599;trinque;yes, having a make target fail when a hash fails is a good idea 1366528;1452529600;ascii_butugychag;you can think of this idea as a more fascist version of 'make' 1366529;1452529611;trinque;my makefiles do that 1366530;1452529618;trinque;moves the built target out of the way if it fails 1366531;1452529621;trinque;was easy 1366532;1452529622;ascii_butugychag;presently, 'make' only cares that a particular file name comes to exist 1366533;1452529641;trinque;read teh verify.mk include, does precisely what you're saying 1366534;1452529650;trinque;"CHECK_OR_DIE" 1366535;1452529657;ascii_butugychag;but i was discussing a hypothetical v-tronic variant of 'portage' 1366536;1452529692;trinque;yep, would that not be a tree of v-patches on a tree of makefiles? 1366537;1452529702;ascii_butugychag;the thing to understand is that we are doing something quite analogous to the invention of... SANITATION. 1366538;1452529706;trinque;could reinvent the makefile like "ebuild" or w/e, still a makefile 1366539;1452529818;mircea_popescu; "CHECK_OR_DIE" << word. 1366540;1452529829;*;mircea_popescu liked that 1366541;1452529932;mircea_popescu;"By the end of April, the couple was completely broke, unemployed, and effectively exiled from a community they had given up everything to join. Jerad reached out to some of the other local voices in the movement, but found that most such activists were big on words, minimal on action, and did little more than post anti-government pictures and rants on the Internet." 1366542;1452529947;mircea_popescu;am i the only one who sees this eerily reminiscent of "bitcoin nodes" situation ? 1366543;1452529956;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1366544;1452529985;ascii_butugychag;the pestilence of faux nodez? 1366545;1452530000;mircea_popescu;yup 1366546;1452530011;mircea_popescu;until and unless you ban the blooming idiots, your copshootings take forever to propagate 1366547;1452530015;ascii_butugychag;speaking of which - anybody else try my malleus mikehearnificarum ? 1366548;1452530018;mircea_popescu;once you do, it's simultaneous. 1366549;1452530088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00050992 = 1.8357 BTC [+] {2} 1366550;1452530136;mircea_popescu;This cop needs to be shot and then displayed for all others to see. Time to let these Nazi thugs who really runs the show here in this country. We need to string all of them up and make an example for the next generation that these acts will not be tolerated. They answer to us, not the other way around. Time we start asking the hard questions and lay the hammer down on those who truly deserve it. Jerad Miller, M 1366551;1452530136;mircea_popescu;ay 7, 2014 1366552;1452530154;copypaste;where does this quote come from? 1366553;1452530216;mircea_popescu;this 31 yo guy who together with his 22 yo wife shot a coupla cops and then got killed. 1366554;1452530247;copypaste;ah, i meant the first one, my client was scrolled up 1366555;1452530254;copypaste;By the end of April... 1366556;1452530310;mircea_popescu;http://www.deathandtaxes.com/?p=58 1366557;1452530322;mircea_popescu;some obscure usg outlet. 1366558;1452530401;mircea_popescu;"Examples of recent activity 1366559;1452530402;mircea_popescu;September 9, 2014 Eric Frein, an anti-government survivalist, is currently a fugitive wanted for shooting two Pennsylvania State troopers in an ambush, killing one and wounding the other. According to the State Police Commissioner, Frein had talked about committing mass murder in addition to killing officers. He was recently added to the FBIs 10 Most Wanted list. General Anti-government 1366560;1452530402;mircea_popescu;August 12, 2014 Armed with an AK-47, ammunition, and propane canisters, Douglas Lee Leguin set a fire, then called 911 to report it. When Texas officers and firemen responded to the call, he shot at them in order to bring attention to his political complaints. Sovereign Citizen" 1366561;1452530414;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366180 << Oh no jurov, the people are addicted to NOT having sugar. 1366562;1452530414;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 13:12:42; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364932 They will laugh at you back with your cravings of sugar. 1366563;1452530443;mircea_popescu;ironically... i believe if one were to add up the number of usg agent deaths as evident from prosecution attempts, and then compare that figure with the number of usg agent deaths as reported by the usg for various statistical purposes, a 10:1 difference wouldn't even be surprising. 1366564;1452530515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8441 @ 0.00050414 = 4.2554 BTC [-] {2} 1366565;1452530521;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1366566;1452530558;ascii_butugychag;re: earlier thread: for historian types such as pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922643 << my original source for concept in 'v' 1366567;1452530558;assbot;Logged on 15-11-2014 00:27:45; asciilifeform: there was a three-man system 1366568;1452530621;mircea_popescu;will come in handy once we actually have / can afford three men working on any one thing. 1366569;1452530625;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366550 << this could almost literally be a quote from that fella on the train this morning 1366570;1452530625;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 16:35:36; mircea_popescu: This cop needs to be shot and then displayed for all others to see. Time to let these Nazi thugs who really runs the show here in this country. We need to string all of them up and make an example for the next generation that these acts will not be tolerated. They answer to us, not the other way around. Time we start asking the hard questions and lay the hammer down on those who truly deserve it. 1366571;1452530644;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag or, for that matter, from me. 1366572;1452530754;ascii_butugychag;the emphasis on local police is intensely usgtronic, however. 1366573;1452530759;ascii_butugychag;!s gendarmerie 1366574;1452530760;assbot;28 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie 1366575;1452530798;mircea_popescu;not so. you're wrong in this reading, and the usg itself very clearly proves they understand this (for instance in their attempts to hide behind the tired local sheriff dioscussed on qntra) 1366576;1452530815;mircea_popescu;it would be a forced mistake for this gendarmerie to appear. and forced it must be. 1366577;1452530828;ascii_butugychag;local police are all that presently stand between average u.s. pgp user and a dhs torture chamber. 1366578;1452530839;mircea_popescu;i do not believe so. 1366579;1452530846;ascii_butugychag;(in the aggregate, rather than the particular.) 1366580;1452530853;mircea_popescu;local police is what currently stand between random acts of violence and the us president being raped on camera. 1366581;1452530868;ascii_butugychag;consider brazil. 1366582;1452530876;mircea_popescu;and while i have no particular taste for violence, i do wish to see obama, or his successor, raped on camera. 1366583;1452530879;mircea_popescu;what of brazil ? 1366584;1452530882;ascii_butugychag;chaos in the precincts, no presidential rape on camera ? 1366585;1452530889;mircea_popescu;orly. 1366586;1452530894;ascii_butugychag;afaik. 1366587;1452530901;mircea_popescu;we don't agree on this point. 1366588;1452530929;ascii_butugychag;which? the chaos? or br still having an unraped pres 1366589;1452531000;mircea_popescu;i don't agree that brazil works as an example for your purpose. 1366590;1452531029;mircea_popescu;but be that as it may : as the oathkeepers article derrided here yest nevertheless correctly points out: other people's problems,. to be resolved by those self-same other people. 1366591;1452531045;ascii_butugychag;how else. 1366592;1452531050;BingoBoingo;PeterL: I guess it can wait. I just like how somethign so cool has such an onomatapeia 1366593;1452531053;ascii_butugychag;not by martians, no. 1366594;1452531100;mircea_popescu;and mexico makes for a much better example, in that direction. 1366595;1452531126;ascii_butugychag;how's that 1366596;1452531126;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1366597;1452531145;PeterL;BingoBoingo, I don't particularly want to go FOOF myself 1366598;1452531167;PeterL;seems like a nasty chemical to work with 1366599;1452531169;BingoBoingo;Ah, I see 1366600;1452531186;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag numerous examples of pretorian guard heads that thought going with the usg is safe beheaded. 1366601;1452531206;ascii_butugychag;by the next usg stooge, aha 1366602;1452531219;mircea_popescu;mno. 1366603;1452531283;ascii_butugychag;re: malleus thread: did mircea_popescu ever write an article about the error of 'postel's law' ? 1366604;1452531295;mircea_popescu;and i specifically discuss the president rather than the "mayor of the palace" because really, having dagobert cut to pieces in the public place is a worse stigma on the obnoxious pepin than actually shortening him a head more would have been. 1366605;1452531303;ascii_butugychag;after the successful test of malleus h., i've been tempted to write one 1366606;1452531318;ascii_butugychag;looked for old work, found only this - http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1999945 1366607;1452531319;assbot;The Robustness Principle Reconsidered - ACM Queue ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zgq3ig ) 1366608;1452531319;mircea_popescu;please do. if i did it'd be fragmentary and so on 1366609;1452531349;PeterL;I have had a reactor make a foof sound as it lit fire, not a pleasant experience (and that was just a simple combustion of THF, nothing explosive) 1366610;1452531368;ascii_butugychag;for n00bz, 'postel's law' went something like 'be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept.' 1366611;1452531467;ascii_butugychag;it has the smell of good engineering and thereby became enshrined in the old canon 1366612;1452531476;ascii_butugychag;but leads to tremendous ecological catastrophe 1366613;1452531483;ascii_butugychag;(in the genuine sense of the word) 1366614;1452531493;mircea_popescu;write the article. i'll read, and if need comment! 1366615;1452531598;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Well, maybe this is a job for the indians or Chicoms 1366616;1452531609;ascii_butugychag;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=37 << related 1366617;1452531686;ascii_butugychag;specifically y. kreinin's text, 1366618;1452531692;ascii_butugychag;'How many problems did you have with hardware compared to OS compared to end-user apps? According to most evidence I got, JavaScript does whatever the hell it wants at each browser. Hardware is not like that. CPUs from the same breed will run the user-level instructions identically or get off the market. Memory-mapped devices following a hardware protocol for talking to the bus will actually follow it, damn it, or ge 1366619;1452531720;ascii_butugychag;'Low-level things are likely to work correctly since there’s tremendous pressure for them to do so. Because otherwise, all the higher-level stuff will collapse, and everybody will go “AAAAAAAAAA!!”' 1366620;1452531736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5277 @ 0.00051018 = 2.6922 BTC [+] {2} 1366621;1452531762;ascii_butugychag;the few precious things that ACTUALLY WORK, consistently, every time - your cpu's adder, the bus, etc. SHIT on postel. 1366622;1452531788;ascii_butugychag;by being ~extremely~ tight, and, importantly, well-specified, in what input they accept. 1366623;1452531794;PeterL;garbag in, garbage out 1366624;1452531796;mircea_popescu;your definition of "actually work" is different from HIS definition of "Actually work". 1366625;1452531804;mircea_popescu;consider unpnp, it is the best example. 1366626;1452531812;mircea_popescu;does bitcoin "actually work" with or without it ? 1366627;1452531821;ascii_butugychag;there was a time when alu worked the way upnp 'works' 1366628;1452531823;ascii_butugychag;know when? 1366629;1452531831;ascii_butugychag;when 'computer' was a... job description 1366630;1452531837;ascii_butugychag;and gurlz sat with abacus 1366631;1452531844;ascii_butugychag;gurl hung over? wrong numbers come out 1366632;1452531856;mircea_popescu;and an important thing to point out is also the b-a model. 1366633;1452531859;ascii_butugychag;which is how babbage got his gig 1366634;1452531872;mircea_popescu;#b-a is EXTREMELY liberal in what it accepts, and extremely conservative in who it accepts it from. 1366635;1452531890;mircea_popescu;this happens to be how sexuate reproduction works, also, which makes me suspect it's a peak behaviour. 1366636;1452531894;ascii_butugychag;this works for knights of the round table, but not so much for menial mechanics 1366637;1452531903;mircea_popescu;and you know this how and wherefore. 1366638;1452531909;mircea_popescu;cunt is mechanics. 1366639;1452531912;mircea_popescu;!s cunt runs on perl 1366640;1452531913;assbot;0 results for 'cunt runs on perl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cunt+runs+on+perl 1366641;1452531914;ascii_butugychag;'assembly line with phds' 1366642;1452531918;mircea_popescu;he BULLSHIT 1366643;1452531937;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag nope. there isn't a person in every cunt, yet they all work. 1366644;1452531957;ascii_butugychag;depends what means 'work' 1366645;1452531979;ascii_butugychag;produce shaved apes fairly reliably, sure 1366646;1452532001;ascii_butugychag;and the abacus gurlz produced... numbers!111 reliably. 1366647;1452532006;ascii_butugychag;just not necessarily the ones you want. 1366648;1452532032;ascii_butugychag;that's the whole notion of a mechanism - that it does something quite specific, in a quite-specific way, that is defined in advance 1366649;1452532037;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1366650;1452532065;mircea_popescu;this looks to me like a large cave, actually. 1366651;1452532090;ascii_butugychag;hm? 1366652;1452532114;mircea_popescu;!rate copypaste 1 HotWheels / 8chan guy 1366653;1452532114;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a51bc4c939860f84 1366654;1452532135;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.copypaste.1:900d82e7c59245e329102c53b146c1d58cddb571df4cc512b93fdab831b55a4a 1366655;1452532135;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for copypaste with note: HotWheels / 8chan guy 1366656;1452532151;copypaste;thought you guys might get a kick out of this. i'm reading a highly contested law where i live (philippines) 1366657;1452532153;copypaste;this is part of it 1366658;1452532155;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag this thing, that we were discussing. seems to me to make the echo sounds typical of a huge cave, even if we only found a little hole. 1366659;1452532158;copypaste;https://imgur.com/gB9G2Oz 1366660;1452532159;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZnAm9A ) 1366661;1452532189;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: dan mocsny had a spiffy essay on man and mechanism in this sense, but afaik it is lost to history 1366662;1452532193;ascii_butugychag;(google nuked it) 1366663;1452532197;mircea_popescu;copypaste dpaste al;ways better for text. and do you kno what deedbot is ? 1366664;1452532203;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag heh. 1366665;1452532216;copypaste;it's a PDF, and it was made by Pinoys, so of course it doesn't copy right 1366666;1452532223;copypaste;that's what i tried first, but it got all misformatted 1366667;1452532269;mircea_popescu;pdf must die already omfg. 1366668;1452532279;ascii_butugychag;mocsny had examples, e.g., man takes 'viagra', turning cock into a mechanism, in the sense that you walk into a forest and are not content to sit on ~any~ old surface, if you are there long enough you start making chairs, polishing the wood, etc 1366669;1452532280;ascii_butugychag;mechanisms. 1366670;1452532294;ascii_butugychag;rather than natural crud as-found. 1366671;1452532302;copypaste;mircea_popescu: here's how Okular (KDE PDF client) interpreted it: http://dpaste.com/1GY12RN 1366672;1452532304;assbot;dpaste: 1GY12RN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgscKL ) 1366673;1452532307;copypaste;i have no idea how they managed that. 1366674;1452532332;ascii_butugychag;pdf can die when i can type in integral sign and not have it EVER pagebroken. 1366675;1452532340;ascii_butugychag;then and not before. 1366676;1452532351;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> pdf must die already omfg. << yes. 1366677;1452532442;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1366678;1452532495;ascii_butugychag;i have yet to see a pill against pdf proposed here that doesn't reduce to mircea_popescu's broomstick. 1366679;1452532584;ascii_butugychag;i own a printer. and i intend to keep owning a printer. i like paper. and i don't ever want to see a motherfucking pagebreak in the middle of an equation. 1366680;1452532587;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what "page" 1366681;1452532592;ascii_butugychag;page. 1366682;1452532595;ascii_butugychag;of dead wood. 1366683;1452532602;mircea_popescu;eh quit smoking. 1366684;1452532607;mircea_popescu;it's good for the environment and ok for you. 1366685;1452532630;ascii_butugychag;eh make me a 1200 dpi screen then 1366686;1452532636;ascii_butugychag;and i'll begin to think about it 1366687;1452532643;copypaste;e-ink eschews the need for real paper 1366688;1452532660;ascii_butugychag;copypaste: tops out at 300 dpi or so 1366689;1452532666;ascii_butugychag;and no colour. 1366690;1452532679;mod6;i like ascii txt 1366691;1452532681;mircea_popescu;mkay, do what i did back before i had a dirigible : 1366692;1452532682;*;ascii_butugychag has owned possibly every e-ink toy on the market 1366693;1452532686;mircea_popescu;have your dad steal some fucking listing paper already! 1366694;1452532700;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i own a gigantic crate 1366695;1452532704;mircea_popescu;this "page" nonsense is related to written matter like excel spreadsheets are related to business 1366696;1452532710;ascii_butugychag;but matrix printer tops out at 100 or so dpi. 1366697;1452532713;ascii_butugychag;and looks like shit 1366698;1452532714;mircea_popescu;keep your stuff as rolls like god & newton intended 1366699;1452532796;ascii_butugychag;y'know, rolls still have a horizontal width. 1366700;1452532805;ascii_butugychag;that is fixed. 1366701;1452532869;trinque;CSS has a "don't pagebreak this when printed" 1366702;1452532909;ascii_butugychag;and if 'this' exceeds the pixel count of the page ? 1366703;1452532926;ascii_butugychag;ever read knuth's tex book ? 1366704;1452532933;ascii_butugychag;or at least understand why tex is complicated ? 1366705;1452532959;trinque;you're asking if it can scale things down to fit the page? 1366706;1452532965;trinque;no, I have not read a book on tex 1366707;1452532973;copypaste;CSS has many rules, what matters is how they're implemented. 1366708;1452532979;copypaste; still exists - in theory. 1366709;1452532997;trinque;page-break-inside has pretty wide support 1366710;1452533005;ascii_butugychag;scaling down pixelwise is idiocy if it results in an equation where i cannot read the sub- and superscripts, say. 1366711;1452533042;trinque;so we use our brains and wrap whatever you don't want broken in a box with the above CSS 1366712;1452533052;ascii_butugychag;trinque: i have yet to see even a sane implementation of, e.g., mathml. 1366713;1452533053;*;trinque is merely making the humble claim that HTML > PDF 1366714;1452533059;ascii_butugychag;and i am NOT interested in equations-as-bitmaps! 1366715;1452533063;ascii_butugychag;because that is idiocy 1366716;1452533089;ascii_butugychag;gotta be searchable, cut&pastable, etc. 1366717;1452533092;ascii_butugychag;first-class citizens. 1366718;1452533095;trinque;reasonable. 1366719;1452533102;ascii_butugychag;and presently only achieved in pdf. 1366720;1452533112;ascii_butugychag;(or rather, postscript, pdf is merely ps rebranded) 1366721;1452533144;ascii_butugychag;ps is a 1980s thing, and was invented for perfectly valid reasons, the malicious bugginess of crapobat etc. are not inherent in it. 1366722;1452533159;mircea_popescu;!up Guest72952 1366723;1452533171;Guest72952;dude 1366724;1452533178;Guest72952;ur chatroom robbed my name 1366725;1452533180;Guest72952;im hurt 1366726;1452533188;mircea_popescu;what name ? 1366727;1452533190;Guest72952;i went to eat 1366728;1452533194;Guest72952;indiancandy1 1366729;1452533218;mircea_popescu; still exists - in theory. << in practice. even used on trilema. 1366730;1452533244;copypaste;no, just in theory. all the widely used implementations have dropped it, at least by default 1366731;1452533245;ascii_butugychag;does anyone recall emma goldman's famous words re: dancing & the revolution? 1366732;1452533254;copypaste; probably exists on trilema, but nobody notices it, more than likely 1366733;1452533260;copypaste;except the odd reader using IE6 of course! 1366734;1452533261;mircea_popescu; and presently only achieved in pdf. << have you lost it, man ?! what of pdf is searchable, cut/paster able etc ? 1366735;1452533264;ascii_butugychag;'if i cannot dance, i want nothing to do with your revolution' 1366736;1452533272;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: pdf crapped out by latex is all of these ! 1366737;1452533282;ascii_butugychag;it is ~allowed for~ by the format 1366738;1452533283;mircea_popescu;not what we're discussing here! 1366739;1452533294;mircea_popescu;would it please you if i said adobe must die ? 1366740;1452533299;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1366741;1452533302;mircea_popescu;aite. 1366742;1452533321;ascii_butugychag;but iirc mircea_popescu is allergic to the whole notion of vector graphics for-printer 1366743;1452533336;ascii_butugychag;which always struck me as quite broomsticky 1366744;1452533363;mircea_popescu;i'm allergic at the notion of being fed it. i'm niot a printer. 1366745;1452533385;mircea_popescu;just like i'm not interested in binary blob "signed" text. 1366746;1452533388;ascii_butugychag;be fed baudot over smoke signal if you go in for that 1366747;1452533421;ascii_butugychag;everything you see is 'binary blob', you just happen to own a convenient interpreter for it 1366748;1452533425;trinque;how bout math in ascii sexps? 1366749;1452533435;ascii_butugychag;trinque: again, rendered how 1366750;1452533444;trinque;plain text 1366751;1452533446;ascii_butugychag;i'm all for latex-like animal in sexp representation 1366752;1452533454;ascii_butugychag;but i have no interest in READING it with naked eye!! 1366753;1452533457;trinque;no, why the insane notation at all 1366754;1452533462;mircea_popescu;quick test : does http://trilema.com/2015/sa-muare-haterii-mei-doi/#selection-83.0-83.6 blink for anyone but me ? 1366755;1452533463;assbot;Sa muare haterii mei (doi) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZguysY ) 1366756;1452533467;trinque;wasn't the original purpose of the sexp *this* ? 1366757;1452533474;ascii_butugychag;trinque: absolutely motherfucking not 1366758;1452533484;ascii_butugychag;not even mccarthy wanted to LOOK at sexps with eyes! 1366759;1452533486;mircea_popescu; how bout math in ascii sexps? << pretty much the only known solution to his problem 1366760;1452533490;ascii_butugychag;they were meant as an intermediate representation 1366761;1452533492;mircea_popescu;it's of course "counterintuitive" to she-brains 1366762;1452533496;trinque;wat 1366763;1452533498;ascii_butugychag;to be rendered by machine into a preferred form 1366764;1452533499;ascii_butugychag;yes 1366765;1452533504;ascii_butugychag;read 'lisp-1' paper. 1366766;1452533506;mircea_popescu;!up ozymandias_ 1366767;1452533507;ascii_butugychag;by john m. 1366768;1452533512;ozymandias_;If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution. 1366769;1452533519;mircea_popescu;why can;t you dance ? 1366770;1452533566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00050698 = 16.1727 BTC [-] 1366771;1452533578;mircea_popescu; everything you see is 'binary blob', you just happen to own a convenient interpreter for it << one. ONE.\ 1366772;1452533585;mircea_popescu;there shall not be any more. and sure as fuck not infinity. 1366773;1452533588;mircea_popescu;there may be exactly one. 1366774;1452533616;ascii_butugychag;if i can't read, say, http://www.complexity.ethz.ch/education/Lectures/ComplexityHS10/ScriptChapterTwelve WITHOUT ANY degradation in quality, searchability, without superfluous page breaks or line breaks, 'can't dance' 1366775;1452533617;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZguQjK ) 1366776;1452533638;mircea_popescu;you can't dance anyway. i was asking the ozy nboob 1366777;1452533656;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: mno. you are, for instance, using irc client, which is not same as telnet, isn't showing you (or making you manually type in) the PING and PONG, say 1366778;1452533667;mircea_popescu;hey ascii_butugychag are those graphs pngs ? hm ? HM ? 1366779;1452533667;ascii_butugychag;so there is sure as hell more than one renderer. 1366780;1452533669;mircea_popescu;you lose. 1366781;1452533698;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: whatcha talking about, the text is selectable 1366782;1452533701;ascii_butugychag;in those graphs. 1366783;1452533705;mircea_popescu;the text is, yes. 1366784;1452533710;mircea_popescu;BUT THE GRAPHS THEMSELVES 1366785;1452533711;mircea_popescu;are not. 1366786;1452533721;mircea_popescu;i see no indication as to how the arrows go. 1366787;1452533739;mircea_popescu;suppose i want the circles filled in red. what now ? 1366788;1452533754;mircea_popescu;how do i SEARCH for "arrow pointing like this" ? hm ? 1366789;1452533774;mircea_popescu;learn to alphabet already, ya buncha "visual thinker" illiterate louts! 1366790;1452533774;ascii_butugychag;i agree, whole thing oughta be a sexpr underneath 1366791;1452533781;ascii_butugychag;where you ~could~ search for 'red arrows' etc 1366792;1452533793;mircea_popescu;heh. 1366793;1452533798;ascii_butugychag;but UNDERNEATH. 1366794;1452533812;ascii_butugychag;'i wanna hug a gurl not a set of loose guts' 1366795;1452533827;trinque;why is sexp such a good representation for programming but not math 1366796;1452533847;ascii_butugychag;trinque: it is a good representation for directly manipulating ast 1366797;1452533865;ascii_butugychag;this is rather like asking why a heap of guts is the correct interface for a surgeon but not a lover ! 1366798;1452533890;trinque;that statement does not make any argument for why the seemingly arbitrary syntax of mathematics is good 1366799;1452533893;ascii_butugychag;for ~authoring~ maths - absolutely, gimme sexpr. 1366800;1452533899;trinque;and applies as easily to C++ or any other hell 1366801;1452533906;ascii_butugychag;trinque: because it is compact. 1366802;1452533913;ascii_butugychag;and i don't always like the notation.; 1366803;1452533932;ascii_butugychag;but a 1 line equation beats two pages of ascii crud. 1366804;1452533979;guruvan;what's going on guise? 1366805;1452534028;trinque;ascii_butugychag: there is python (or cursed rubby) which is "more compact" like your equation, yet I prefer lisp 1366806;1452534038;trinque;why? 1366807;1452534046;ascii_butugychag;and i'm not interested in writing word 'nabla' instead of ∇ every time !111 1366808;1452534065;ascii_butugychag;trinque: compact at a price 1366809;1452534090;trinque;this is why urbit did those glyphs or whatever they called them 1366810;1452534101;trinque;why write "if" when you can ?!? or w/e 1366811;1452534108;ascii_butugychag;now that's garbage. 1366812;1452534112;ascii_butugychag;just like perl is. 1366813;1452534115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00050414 = 20.9974 BTC [-] 1366814;1452534124;mircea_popescu;nothing much guruvan, some tweet of yours got linked 1366815;1452534147;ascii_butugychag;people who ~live and die~ by motherfucking compact equations, ALWAYS invent hieroglyphs 1366816;1452534152;guruvan;saw that - can hadly believe it's been so long since I've been in here 1366817;1452534159;ascii_butugychag;just like mechanic buys a hammer and NOT a brick. 1366818;1452534201;mircea_popescu;just like everyone tickles the woman in random way in private. this is math porn what you're proposing. 1366819;1452534232;guruvan;I see you guys still remember how bitcoin works :) 1366820;1452534247;ascii_butugychag;find me an actual working, practicing maths pro who disagrees with me on this. 1366821;1452534249;mircea_popescu;possibly the only group left. there's been some sort of strange deluge or something. 1366822;1452534255;ascii_butugychag;who wants to use motherfucking words 1366823;1452534262;ascii_butugychag;as if it were euclid's greece 1366824;1452534273;mircea_popescu;hey, euclid's greece did alright. 1366825;1452534282;ascii_butugychag;mno. 1366826;1452534293;ascii_butugychag;that tower only gets so-high. 1366827;1452534297;mircea_popescu;find me actual working programmers that want to use static linked binaries. like it were 1970s MIT! 1366828;1452534303;trinque;still no reason put why using words and sexps is a good thing in programming, a bad thing in mathematics 1366829;1452534305;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1366830;1452534324;mircea_popescu;"that tower only gets so high!" 1366831;1452534326;ascii_butugychag;trinque: a good and necessary thing in mathematics. but i don't want to view them with eyes! 1366832;1452534341;trinque;give a reason! lol 1366833;1452534366;ascii_butugychag;because 1-line equation can be 4 pages of sexp ??? 1366834;1452534398;mircea_popescu;let's make it plain : the forum language will be alphabetic, not hieroglyphic. how you paint the meaning from the letters into little icons in your own livingroom - your problem. 1366835;1452534409;mircea_popescu;but i do not wish to see them, pray with them, and so following. 1366836;1452534410;ascii_butugychag;then forum doesn't do maths. 1366837;1452534420;mircea_popescu;the forum is whenever one talks to another publicly. 1366838;1452534420;trinque;"because." 1366839;1452534429;mircea_popescu;if you're not fucking, you're in the forum. 1366840;1452534467;ascii_butugychag;and i notice that mircea_popescu links to bitmaps of gurlz, not homeric descriptions in 10,000 words... 1366841;1452534481;mircea_popescu;zing. 1366842;1452534515;mod6;hawtbutts.txt 1366843;1452534530;mircea_popescu; quick test : does http://trilema.com/2015/sa-muare-haterii-mei-doi/#selection-83.0-83.6 blink for anyone but me ? << lemme reiterate 1366844;1452534531;assbot;Sa muare haterii mei (doi) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZguysY ) 1366845;1452534542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38569 @ 0.00050657 = 19.5379 BTC [+] {2} 1366846;1452534584;trinque;if a guy were trying to understand the rationale behind using dense symbols in mathematics from this conversation, he would fail. 1366847;1452534724;BingoBoingo;Assorted things https://archive.is/9bLoV 1366848;1452534725;assbot;Butters now Supposed to run full nodes to use lite wallets : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1mQSQ0Y ) 1366849;1452534738;mircea_popescu;trinque yet the explanation is very simple : a certain set of brain circuitry is deeply involved in novel thought (about everything, including mathematics) and at the same time refractary to structure. 1366850;1452534767;mircea_popescu;generally people trying to think in this particular sense try and dope it. 1366851;1452535021;mircea_popescu;such as by using structureless or poorly structured "symbols". 1366852;1452535036;mircea_popescu;this, obviously, is anathema to communication. 1366853;1452535081;trinque;aha, seemed entirely psychological. "the mysterious symbols of the world of mathematics! greek letters even!" 1366854;1452535102;mircea_popescu;it is also fundamentally why math "is hard". for every non-retarded young adult who believes math is hard you have a case of a child who developed his own, highly personal set of shitty symbols, and then never received a good explanation as to what the difference between his and "everyone else"'s is, so got lost. 1366855;1452535112;mircea_popescu;because, obviously, the problem of translating between sets is untractable. 1366856;1452535140;mircea_popescu;the problems people encounter with statistics are probably the most obvious place to study this issue. 1366857;1452535144;BingoBoingo;Apparently social media is talking about asciilifeform's Malleum patch when they were largely afraid to discuss qntra on Oregon https://archive.is/f1p8H 1366858;1452535147;assbot;Cyril Blanc on Twitter: "@MrChrisEllis @dnivi3 @PQMerkle https://t.co/HpD1xhTa3w" ... ( http://bit.ly/1mQUorP ) 1366859;1452535230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo prolly a good time to link http://deedbot.org/deed-392674-1.txt 1366860;1452535231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mQUIqG ) 1366861;1452535396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00050414 = 1.6637 BTC [-] {2} 1366862;1452535637;guruvan;BingoBoingo: classic - banning light clients is now censorship - I'll let who I like connect to my nodes tyvfm 1366863;1452535813;BingoBoingo;Seriously, what part of "MINE!!!1111!!!" don't people understand. Fucking socialism. 1366864;1452536014;BingoBoingo;Anyways guruvan I'm glad you stopped by. Keep coming back, it works when you work it. 1366865;1452536215;phf;pdf is ~plaintext~ container format that lets you encode an hierarchical structure of nodes of type. there's a handful of standard node types geared towards fixed page layout. there's also a handful of types that let you embed content, i.e. inline a binary blob <>stream....10 bytes....endstream. latex produces pdfs with intimate awareness of the format's abilities, i.e. sensible plain text nodes that 1366866;1452536215;phf;annotate visual layout nodes with semantically meaningful components (pages, paragraphs, etc.) 1366867;1452536268;guruvan;thanks BingoBoingo - will be around more this year :) - it's gonna be a crazy year 1366868;1452536277;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1366869;1452536292;phf;but of course there's tons of companies that have some variation of "breakup my text into individual pictures of letters with precise x/y positioning, for extra points place the nodes in a random order so that tools like pdftotext barf" 1366870;1452536314;BingoBoingo;guruvan: Seriously. Wasn't much to do in 2015 except lay groundwork for 2016 1366871;1452536321;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366851 << abuse is no argument. mechanic can bash in skull with wrench. does not follow that wrench ought to be soft. 1366872;1452536321;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 17:57:01; mircea_popescu: such as by using structureless or poorly structured "symbols". 1366873;1452536343;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366820 what of http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=let+me+formalize+from%3Amircea ? 1366874;1452536343;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 17:44:07; ascii_butugychag: find me an actual working, practicing maths pro who disagrees with me on this. 1366875;1452536344;assbot;1 results for 'let me formalize from:mircea' - #bitcoin-assets search 1366876;1452536349;ascii_butugychag;will take my maximally-compact notations from my cold, dead hands. 1366877;1452536350;guruvan;agreed BingoBoingo - it was a long year of much work, and much that's just been tossed by the end of it too 1366878;1452536352;mircea_popescu;what, do i not count ? is systems theory not math ? 1366879;1452536382;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you that i do prefer spellking out "sum x over y for i to j" than squiggling it up. heck, i have the girls read out bash commands explaining what they do. 1366880;1452536387;mircea_popescu;and etc. 1366881;1452536393;ascii_butugychag;philosophy. (not a dirty word, just maths that haven't been mechanized) 1366882;1452536404;mircea_popescu;heh. 1366883;1452536421;mircea_popescu;and we come back to the same "bad math" problem : 1366884;1452536433;mircea_popescu;this "notationed" math is ALSO not math that's been mechanised. 1366885;1452536438;mircea_popescu;it's just been shittified. 1366886;1452536443;ascii_butugychag;and yes, e.g., maxwell's equations stated verbally might be more pleasing to a n00b 1366887;1452536456;ascii_butugychag;but DEATH to somebody who needs to formally ~manipulate~ them. 1366888;1452536474;ascii_butugychag;and needs to hold a MAXIMUM of thought from the page in his head 1366889;1452536500;mircea_popescu;i never had a problem. 1366890;1452536508;mircea_popescu;as we speak i hold all the pages i hold anyway. 1366891;1452536516;phf;presumably mp disagrees with iverson's "notation as a tool of thought" paper in principle 1366892;1452536530;BingoBoingo; philosophy. (not a dirty word, just maths that haven't been mechanized) << Prolly hard to mechanize "Fear and Trembling" 1366893;1452536535;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu doesn't do mathematics, this is evident. perhaps he did at one point, but not now. 1366894;1452536553;ascii_butugychag;what other notational element, i wonder, would he have us give up? matrix ? 1366895;1452536557;ascii_butugychag;verbalize the elements? 1366896;1452536576;ascii_butugychag;let's have verbal quaternion ? 1366897;1452536578;mircea_popescu;which part of what i said dja actually disagree with ? 1366898;1452536590;ascii_butugychag;the 'notation as obscurantist claptrap' 1366899;1452536599;mircea_popescu;is this a symbol ? 1366900;1452536650;ascii_butugychag;which this 1366901;1452536660;mircea_popescu;'notation as obscurantist claptrap' 1366902;1452536717;mircea_popescu;why not use पॢ, i wonder. 1366903;1452536768;ascii_butugychag;because it saves no space/time. 1366904;1452536783;ascii_butugychag;because we did not have any reason to agree on the hieroglyph. 1366905;1452536810;BingoBoingo;https://charliehorse55.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/how-nvidia-breaks-chrome-incognito/ 1366906;1452536811;assbot;How Nvidia breaks Chrome Incognito | charliehorse55 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mR0Eji ) 1366907;1452536823;mircea_popescu;if im stuck with reading some "maximum thought" concoction i have to spell it out and read it anyway. 1366908;1452536866;mircea_popescu;now : i do not propose that this is either better, or obligatory for anyone else. whoever can fuck whatever bottle they most like. but i also can't let stand this theory that somehow obscurantist claptrap is the only way to think. 1366909;1452536878;mircea_popescu;one can think just fine in an alphabet, no need to play the egyptian priest. 1366910;1452536912;ascii_butugychag;as if using longhand made text somehow magically comprehensible to all and unpriestlike. 1366911;1452536924;ascii_butugychag;!s variety speak 1366912;1452536924;assbot;57 results for 'variety speak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=variety+speak 1366913;1452536939;mircea_popescu;alphabet has its advantages. 1366914;1452536942;mircea_popescu;unrelated to content. 1366915;1452536954;ascii_butugychag;also has its crippling limitations. 1366916;1452536968;mircea_popescu;that part's still in dispute. 1366917;1452536974;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "Page C3 of today's NYT in print: "It's a good time to be David Bowie."" 1366918;1452537180;mircea_popescu; presumably mp disagrees with iverson's "notation as a tool of thought" paper in principle << i do not. i do however disagree with the theory that tool is substitute sufficient. 1366919;1452537208;mircea_popescu;yes you can figure out what quarks do in either matriceal or formulaic form. but if you can't afterwards SAY what the fuck you found to either heisenberg or schroedinger, the problem's in your head. 1366920;1452537226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00050697 = 2.8137 BTC [+] {2} 1366921;1452537281;phf;ah 1366922;1452537318;mircea_popescu;there's many things in this "thought" bag. 1366923;1452537320;phf;that's like chinese math, transformation on formulas carried out mechanically by memorizing the book 1366924;1452537330;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to figure something out. it's another thing to figure out what you figured out. and so on. 1366925;1452537372;mircea_popescu;if you're lucky and enough work has been put on doing the transforms that a function was found. plenty of times the transformation's either not obviously or not at all formalizable. 1366926;1452537417;mircea_popescu;i can if you wish pick a page of strings theory for you to transform into any other theoretical framweork of your choice. but might as well take a page of source from gcc and write the lisp. 1366927;1452537429;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of our very own brave sir gabriel_laddel and his x.org thing 1366928;1452537616;ben_vulpes;is HOSTALIASES a thing on linuxen besides ubuntu? v-dns sounds nifty, but i'd like to maintain my own entries. 1366929;1452537654;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes technically you could only put your own pubkey in there, and still let everyone else benefit from yours 1366930;1452537658;mircea_popescu;while you only building your own. 1366931;1452537780;mircea_popescu;anyway, afaik hostaliases is standaerd on all linuxen, but it runs into problems with sanitation, for things that run as root 1366932;1452537784;mircea_popescu;such as ping or w/e 1366933;1452537940;phf;i've spent most of my college years learning math by sometimes translating problem into sexp and running it inside lisp, to get a hang of the numeric or combinatoric behavior of the problem. there were parts of the problem that were easier to grok in sexp and then there were parts that i eventually wrote an approximation of latex formula reader for. i don't really have a clear idea of where the boundry is though 1366934;1452537963;mircea_popescu;importantly, the boundary must be where another begins and you end. 1366935;1452537987;mircea_popescu;this "you gotta run the city in which i wrote the letter to read the letter" thing is for the birds. 1366936;1452537993;mircea_popescu;i ain't building no cities to read anything, ever. 1366937;1452538170;phf;so what do you do when not everything fits in head? 1366938;1452538218;mircea_popescu;you restructure the abstraction tree, which is clearly broken. 1366939;1452538404;phf;hmm 1366940;1452538406;mircea_popescu;you'll note that variety speak or no variety speak, i can explain the whole thing or any part to anyone of any persuasion. that i may not feel like expending the effort for any random derp is true, but also not germane. 1366941;1452538417;mircea_popescu;this, importantly, is not a feat of magic. 1366942;1452538446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00050413 = 13.9392 BTC [-] {3} 1366943;1452538664;phf;my impression of traditional education is that when everything doesn't fit in your head, you continue cramming it, until in the flash of insight, a way of restructuring the tree comes to you. in this case notation allows for a caching mechanism. somewhere on a blackboard there's a cluster of meaning, that you no longer have in your head, because head is full, so having that cluster contain higher density of information allows for a more 1366944;1452538664;phf;rapid load 1366945;1452538672;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1366946;1452538677;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366935 << and rotor is..? 1366947;1452538677;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 18:46:27; mircea_popescu: this "you gotta run the city in which i wrote the letter to read the letter" thing is for the birds. 1366948;1452538709;mircea_popescu;phf to that the obvious counter is that sure, but before you've reached a point where you can actually speak of it... it's premature to speak of it ? 1366949;1452538713;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366919 << this is uncontroversial i think 1366950;1452538713;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 18:33:28; mircea_popescu: yes you can figure out what quarks do in either matriceal or formulaic form. but if you can't afterwards SAY what the fuck you found to either heisenberg or schroedinger, the problem's in your head. 1366951;1452538750;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366925 << notation is very often a tool for pseudointellectual flimflammery, yes 1366952;1452538750;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 18:36:12; mircea_popescu: if you're lucky and enough work has been put on doing the transforms that a function was found. plenty of times the transformation's either not obviously or not at all formalizable. 1366953;1452538757;ascii_butugychag;but so is 'plain language.' 1366954;1452538764;mircea_popescu;only to noobs. 1366955;1452538776;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366933 << aha! DERIVE ! 1366956;1452538776;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 18:45:40; phf: i've spent most of my college years learning math by sometimes translating problem into sexp and running it inside lisp, to get a hang of the numeric or combinatoric behavior of the problem. there were parts of the problem that were easier to grok in sexp and then there were parts that i eventually wrote an approximation of latex formula reader for. i don't really have a clear idea of where the boundry is thoug 1366957;1452538783;mircea_popescu;and rotor is mechanized comunion, strangely enough. 1366958;1452538785;ascii_butugychag;and macsyma is mega-spiffy, using it as we speak even 1366959;1452538843;phf;mircea_popescu: aaah now i see what you mean by obscurantist claptrap 1366960;1452538865;mircea_popescu;look at lacan's "work" to truly see what i mean, and look at all the junk coming out of the usg's 3rd generation to truly know what i mean 1366961;1452538870;mircea_popescu;actually... lemme take a screenshot here. 1366962;1452538887;ascii_butugychag;and i notice they aren't abusing integral signs 1366963;1452538898;ascii_butugychag;(the climatologists and 'economics' - perhaps are) 1366964;1452538948;ascii_butugychag;but in either case, a liver largely consisting of scar tissue is not an argument against having had a liver in the first place. 1366965;1452539065;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0A0WRTM << there, consider that. 1366966;1452539069;assbot;dpaste: 0A0WRTM ... ( http://bit.ly/1OXCqAm ) 1366967;1452539096;mircea_popescu;she has not actually anything to say to it. she;'s some 25 yo from nowhere who has figured out which side the butter's breaded on and is off to washington to live with alfie. 1366968;1452539115;mircea_popescu;BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue. 1366969;1452539117;ascii_butugychag;snorefest! 1366970;1452539137;mircea_popescu;i don't think the postmodern symbological deluge has any sort of match or point of comparison. 1366971;1452539138;ascii_butugychag;and yeah we have titanic dormitories full of these here 1366972;1452539162;mircea_popescu;aha. 1366973;1452539178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00050815 = 19.3605 BTC [+] {5} 1366974;1452539212;mircea_popescu;the only reason her bullshit sinks, however, is that i do not permit symbologistics. 1366975;1452539245;mircea_popescu;the only reason she exists is the perhaps well intended, but also castrated inclination of educated males to go "oh, i wonder what the hyeroglypsh mean, can't be discarded out of hand" 1366976;1452539251;ascii_butugychag;i thought it was because it was solid brick with no flotational volume ? 1366977;1452539262;mircea_popescu;which by now is so pervasive even ged-educated nigger in the ghetto knows enough to scream "you don't know what it's like" 1366978;1452539263;mircea_popescu;herp. 1366979;1452539294;ascii_butugychag;nah she exists for the same reason electrical wires running to my house are warm 1366980;1452539302;ascii_butugychag;just an unfortunate fact of thermodynamic loss 1366981;1452539312;mircea_popescu;there's a reason unicode wars (you know, the thing with the integral ?) are mostly around "how to color figurines" now. 1366982;1452539324;mircea_popescu;this "abstractions" thing mostly works for thine enemies. 1366983;1452539376;mircea_popescu;you save some time, they get saved from extinction. 1366984;1452539377;ascii_butugychag;if all of the railroads are in the hands of hitler, it does not follow that i ought to take an interest in travel by oxcart. 1366985;1452539385;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1366986;1452539396;ascii_butugychag;not 'save some time.' but ABLE TO DEAL IN CONCEPTS of the level i deal in, AT ALL 1366987;1452539400;mircea_popescu;yet all the wires being in the hand of hitler doth make you take an interest in gossipds. 1366988;1452539429;ascii_butugychag;it isnt an oxcart 1366989;1452539437;ascii_butugychag;but more like what i wanted out of the net to begin with. 1366990;1452539439;mircea_popescu;well it isn't anything, so far. 1366991;1452539444;ascii_butugychag;aha 1366992;1452539452;mircea_popescu;i dunno who wanted "the railroads" out of reality. 1366993;1452539454;ascii_butugychag;but since it was referred to, i assumed mircea_popescu was thinking of the idea. 1366994;1452539489;ascii_butugychag;(on my own desk, it is more than an idea, but this is not official yet) 1366995;1452539736;phf;as far as i understand, the point is to walk with mp to his vantage point to see something or other. for example that the railroad runs from hitlertown to the work camps. pretty sure he'll just be delighted if you invited him to your own private railroad that goes from your living quarters to your wineries. 1366996;1452539809;ascii_butugychag;i'm entirely with iverson on this one. 1366997;1452539819;ascii_butugychag;'notation is worth +80 iq' 1366998;1452539827;ascii_butugychag;in the right hands, yes 1366999;1452539828;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as iq. 1367000;1452539842;mircea_popescu;in which sense, the quote is correct. 1367001;1452539843;ascii_butugychag;tell this to the room-temp iq folks. 1367002;1452539848;mircea_popescu;also, placebo is worth 20 hp. 1367003;1452539876;mircea_popescu;(this has in point of fact been measured, and stands as such) 1367004;1452539907;ascii_butugychag;when mircea_popescu calculates for own reckoning, does he use roman notation? if not, why not? 1367005;1452539949;mircea_popescu;i have been known to 1367006;1452539958;mircea_popescu;(in order to bother girlies.) 1367007;1452539962;ascii_butugychag;http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/romankbd.png << oblig 1367008;1452539964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCzeNs ) 1367009;1452539983;mircea_popescu;believe it or not, latin numeral calculation IS actually possible. and they had all sorts of tricks, too 1367010;1452539994;ascii_butugychag;many things are ~possible~ 1367011;1452539998;ascii_butugychag;!s befunge 1367012;1452539998;assbot;6 results for 'befunge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=befunge 1367013;1452540021;ascii_butugychag;walking on your hands is also... possible 1367014;1452540027;ascii_butugychag;and circus acrobats know some spiffy tricks. 1367015;1452540034;mircea_popescu;more's the point : when you calculate for your own reckoning, do you use inches or milimeters ? 1367016;1452540054;ascii_butugychag;usually the latter 1367017;1452540059;mircea_popescu;aha. 1367018;1452540064;mircea_popescu;know anyon who doesn't ? etc. 1367019;1452540068;*;mircea_popescu will bbl. 1367020;1452540083;ascii_butugychag;actually like most folks living in usa who do any machine work, i own two sets of everything. 1367021;1452540086;ascii_butugychag;incl. drill bits. 1367022;1452540096;ascii_butugychag;this is, i know, sad. 1367023;1452540371;phf;what's wrong with a moscato anyway? :o 1367024;1452540540;punkman;"Postel tarpit (n.) - A system that has tried so hard to accept all possible input that any change becomes backwards-incompatible" 1367025;1452540742;punkman;wonky definition but I like the name 1367026;1452540851;punkman;http://www.cookcomputing.com/blog/archives/000551.html 1367027;1452540853;assbot;Cook Computing - Postel's Robustness Principle Revisited ... ( http://bit.ly/1ndJtbF ) 1367028;1452540886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00051465 = 8.3373 BTC [+] {3} 1367029;1452541130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00050411 = 5.6208 BTC [-] {2} 1367030;1452541618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00051576 = 15.7307 BTC [+] {4} 1367031;1452541862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00051794 = 19.6299 BTC [+] {3} 1367032;1452542228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00051867 = 4.7199 BTC [+] {3} 1367033;1452542838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050411 = 4.789 BTC [-] {2} 1367034;1452543570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104171 @ 0.00050296 = 52.3938 BTC [-] {6} 1367035;1452543623;BingoBoingo; but in either case, a liver largely consisting of scar tissue is not an argument against having had a liver in the first place. << B.. But Discriminashun, Cundishuns... 1367036;1452544851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051198 = 1.1264 BTC [+] {2} 1367037;1452545034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00051239 = 15.2436 BTC [+] {2} 1367038;1452545495;deedbot-;[Qntra] Zero-Conf Shenanigans Lead To Peter Todd Reddit Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/01/zero-conf-shenanigans-lead-to-peter-todd-reddit-ban/ 1367039;1452546014;thestringpuller;damn i wanted that story 1367040;1452546113;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You could have submitted something. 1367041;1452546186;thestringpuller;i didn't know it was news cuz coinbase. 1367042;1452546223;thestringpuller;next on bitcoin scammers in VC world: "Coinbase sues Peter Todd for 0.01btc" 1367043;1452546364;shinohai;kek 1367044;1452546375;shinohai;That sounds more like Roger Ver 1367045;1452546511;thestringpuller;the dude who had to move to tokyo cause US wouldn't let him visit? 1367046;1452546521;thestringpuller;"risk of becoming an illegal immigrant" 1367047;1452546925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3007 @ 0.0005135 = 1.5441 BTC [+] {2} 1367048;1452547169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66306 @ 0.00051291 = 34.009 BTC [-] {2} 1367049;1452547657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21187 @ 0.00050737 = 10.7496 BTC [-] {2} 1367050;1452548999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15263 @ 0.00050217 = 7.6646 BTC [-] 1367051;1452549187;deedbot-;[Qntra] Earliest Possible Date For XTCoin Fork Passes - http://qntra.net/2016/01/earliest-possible-date-for-xtcoin-fork-passes/ 1367052;1452550097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00051011 = 3.2647 BTC [+] {2} 1367053;1452550585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17619 @ 0.00051986 = 9.1594 BTC [+] {3} 1367054;1452551744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3312 @ 0.00051763 = 1.7144 BTC [-] 1367055;1452551998;mircea_popescu;!up raedah 1367056;1452553419;jurov;"I need your agreement in order to republish your contributions under the MIT license. The reason for relicensing Electrum is two-fold: firstly, we want to make Electrum more attractive to developers looking to integrate lightweight Bitcoin functionality into their systems, and a more permissive license is helpful in this regard." 1367057;1452553420;jurov;"Secondly, we want to release a new version of Electrum for mobile devices and tablets. In order to make Electrum available in various app stores (such as Microsoft's Windows Store or Apple's App Store) we cannot keep the restrictive GPL license, as publishing Electrum on some of these stores may break the terms of the GPL." 1367058;1452553446;jurov;gpl stuff can't be in appstore, rly? 1367059;1452553447;mircea_popescu;are you going to give it ? 1367060;1452553451;mircea_popescu;right. 1367061;1452553464;BingoBoingo; gpl stuff can't be in appstore, rly? << Ya Rly 1367062;1452553499;mircea_popescu;miserable move on their part, actually. 1367063;1452553554;guruvan;you not a fan of MIT license mircea_popescu ? 1367064;1452553580;mircea_popescu;but it seems par for the course. all the pimply faced wanna-be bill gates business majors know how to do anymore is cast out a net for suckers, wait until the rate of catch stops, and then try to spin it off and sell it. 1367065;1452553601;mircea_popescu;so everything starts as gpl, welcomes any sucker foss head to contribute, then "progresses" to a mit license and hey, maybe apple wants to buy it! 1367066;1452553608;jurov;probably not. but my contribution was like, 5 lines. 1367067;1452553624;mircea_popescu;it's shameful. if you're going to prostitute yourself, at least do the world a favour and do it in istanbul, in the nude, in the dedicated quarter for ephebs 1367068;1452553636;mircea_popescu;guruvan i like isis a lot more than i like mit. 1367069;1452553673;mircea_popescu;and i'm one of the few guys that publicly burned the coran. 1367070;1452553704;guruvan;well...that's just gonna mean they don't like you :- 1367071;1452553769;mircea_popescu;they're idiots, but at least they're productive. unlike the mit imbeciles who https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334 1367072;1452553770;assbot;MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zoja3F ) 1367073;1452553868;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1367074;1452553909;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1367071 << l0lwut?! productive??! 1367075;1452553909;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: they're idiots, but at least they're productive. unlike the mit imbeciles who https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334 1367076;1452553914;mircea_popescu;yes. productive. 1367077;1452553935;ascii_butugychag;of what? 1367078;1452553938;mircea_popescu;wake me up when your imperial/european drill bits produced a robot that routed the usg at tikrit. 1367079;1452554003;ascii_butugychag;usg 'fought' to churn inventory and guarantee lockheed et al earmarks. 1367080;1452554024;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1367081;1452554026;ascii_butugychag;and to prevent ghaddafis 1367082;1452554030;mircea_popescu;mit ain't routing anyone. ever. 1367083;1452554061;ascii_butugychag;mit is so that smart kidz dont tmsr. 1367084;1452554087;ascii_butugychag;they actually called me up last month.. 1367085;1452554160;jurov;"Hello, thanks for asking, but I refuse to change the license of my contribution. I cannot with clear conscience recommend a Bitcoin wallet with closed source modifications. Would you use one yourself, really?" 1367086;1452554168;jurov;^ mi rather mild-mannered reply 1367087;1452554185;mircea_popescu;no but you don't understand, they're only trying to. 1367088;1452554357;mircea_popescu;might even make a good qntra piece. this sort of miserable behaviour needs some castigation., 1367089;1452554401;mircea_popescu;fucking emblematic of the new usa : "1. hey, we're trying to save the world, help us ; 2. hey, the rate at which new people join to help us dropped off so now we'll build an oil refinery instead, maybe shell wants to buy one!" 1367090;1452554409;mircea_popescu;fuck you with a fucking stick, who the heck is supposed to fall for this ? 1367091;1452554416;mircea_popescu;who. 20year olds, obviously. and... they do. 1367092;1452554515;mircea_popescu;same fucking thing with "bitcoin dev companies", however many different groups are running this scam by now. 1367093;1452554611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23040 @ 0.00050125 = 11.5488 BTC [-] {2} 1367094;1452554710;*;jurov scans his private #electrum log, omfg deze gems 1367095;1452554720;jurov; [20151130 17:22] Tribaal: I would not be too concerned about closed-source forks, in the case of Bitcoin software. 1367096;1452554739;jurov; [20151130 17:23] ThomasV: How so? If my fork steals your wallet, I would be pretty sure you'd mind :) 1367097;1452554746;jurov; [20151130 17:24] that's my point. I think nobody would use a closed source fork 1367098;1452554795;jurov;i'm tired and want sleep, whoever is doing qntra, can have it 1367099;1452555526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80527 @ 0.00051023 = 41.0873 BTC [+] {2} 1367100;1452555726;BingoBoingo; might even make a good qntra piece. this sort of miserable behaviour needs some castigation., << for srs jurov 1367101;1452555752;BingoBoingo;It can wait for you to wake up 1367102;1452556746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9631 @ 0.00051024 = 4.9141 BTC [+] 1367103;1452557536;mircea_popescu;in other news, the new merchant of venice is actually 40% done! 1367104;1452557661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00051687 = 4.6518 BTC [+] {2} 1367105;1452559009;BingoBoingo;O.0 1367106;1452559275;asciilifeform;l0l neato 1367107;1452559674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00051279 = 7.7688 BTC [-] {2} 1367108;1452559745;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/0B92T3F 1367109;1452559747;assbot;dpaste: 0B92T3F ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q1cOBl ) 1367110;1452559747;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1367111;1452559812;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 1367112;1452559824;asciilifeform;~considerably~ smoother performance on the trb+malleus nodez 1367113;1452559829;asciilifeform;(vs historical) 1367114;1452559860;asciilifeform;may be simply on account of the ~80% drop in traffic, though. 1367115;1452559902;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo it is not an accurate description of malleus patch to say that it only nukes peers using bloom filters. it nukes any peer which issues any command whatsoever unsupported in trb. 1367116;1452559903;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1367117;1452559975;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I haven't seen any other commands in debug.log yet. Perhaps leave a comment on post? 1367118;1452559991;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it won't show up in the log as a distinct thing 1367119;1452559995;asciilifeform;just 'heathen.' 1367120;1452560041;BingoBoingo;I mean before using the patch. I've only seen bloom filter from multibit/Shildebach et al hit my node. 1367121;1452560173;BingoBoingo;Other commands may emerge, but bloom filter request is the only one I have seen in the wild. 1367122;1452560393;mircea_popescu;anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. 1367123;1452560398;mircea_popescu;anyone want to run a pool ? 1367124;1452560422;asciilifeform;on submarine ? 1367125;1452560588;mircea_popescu;let's not get overdramatique. 1367126;1452560680;asciilifeform;interesting idea, but what's to keep a public pool from infinite ddos 24/7. 1367127;1452560807;BingoBoingo;Who says public pool? Or single point of failure? Why not fork p2pool? 1367128;1452560834;mircea_popescu;iirc p2pool was unfixably slow. 1367129;1452560851;BingoBoingo;hmmm 1367130;1452560985;BingoBoingo;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Software#Mining_Pool_Servers_.28backend.29 << List not inspiring confidence 1367131;1452560986;assbot;Software - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoE5ZR ) 1367132;1452561025;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367122 <<< /me would certainly try to obtain miners to mine on a #b-a pool 1367133;1452561025;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. 1367134;1452561054;mircea_popescu;shinohai a few people have asked, which is why i said. 1367135;1452561094;shinohai;It would be handy to mine own tx's but would require considerable hashpower, no? 1367136;1452561160;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1367137;1452561164;gribble;Current Blocks: 392907 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 212 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 5 hours, 45 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1367138;1452561217;mircea_popescu;not really. to guarantee same-day inclusion, you'd need 1/10/24 * 10^11 = 0.5% of the current hash rate. to guarantee the usual thing wires guarantee (2-3 days) proportionally less. 1367139;1452561558;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1367140;1452561565;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.27, vol: 7498.99347541 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.001, vol: 6295.41647 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.8, vol: 14550.86099406 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 447.226002, vol: 37121.74600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.37, vol: 112.39650116 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.453760989, vol: 15.66709175 | Volume-weighted last average: 446.714667061 1367141;1452561687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00051688 = 3.7732 BTC [+] 1367142;1452561915;mod6;ftr: im still laughing about kako's buddy who needed the condoms in thailand 1367143;1452562030;shinohai;Good to have friends that will ship you rubbers just like that when necessary. 1367144;1452562053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33732 @ 0.00050901 = 17.1699 BTC [-] {5} 1367145;1452562103;mod6;ikr, solid guy 1367146;1452562119;mod6;would trade again 1367147;1452562557;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367138 << well, of the hash rate ~forever~ 1367148;1452562557;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 01:13:37; mircea_popescu: not really. to guarantee same-day inclusion, you'd need 1/10/24 * 10^11 = 0.5% of the current hash rate. to guarantee the usual thing wires guarantee (2-3 days) proportionally less. 1367149;1452562559;asciilifeform;at a given time. 1367150;1452562563;asciilifeform;else you slip. 1367151;1452562731;mircea_popescu;sure. 1367152;1452562745;mircea_popescu;and it being a random process, "guarantee" is necessarily an average sort of concept. 1367153;1452562765;asciilifeform;aha 1367154;1452562943;ben_vulpes;kilo-log-line day, huh? 1367155;1452562956;mircea_popescu;good stuff. 1367156;1452562973;ben_vulpes;i caught snippets over the oar, looking forward to it. 1367157;1452563173;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366272 << whattabout the pronounceable mnemonic hashes a la urbit? 1367158;1452563173;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 13:56:49; mircea_popescu: yes, naming can work like that, if 8chan.co and 94875984375983.jksldak are the same to you. 1367159;1452563191;ben_vulpes;fantub tasslyb or what was it 1367160;1452563193;mircea_popescu;and let me guess, you'll get them from... hets ? 1367161;1452563201;*;ben_vulpes wonders if his destroyer still floats 1367162;1452563208;ben_vulpes;hets? 1367163;1452563213;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1124584 1367164;1452563213;assbot;Logged on 08-05-2015 01:24:40; assbot: dpaste: 2E0CYZQ: Speakables ... ( http://bit.ly/1dR5Y1j ) 1367165;1452563215;asciilifeform;pretty useless 1367166;1452563238;asciilifeform;^ my implementation of mr. mold's early syllables 1367167;1452563244;asciilifeform;(he changed them out later) 1367168;1452563253;ben_vulpes;why useless? and changed to? 1367169;1452563258;asciilifeform;some others 1367170;1452563271;asciilifeform;and useless in that i never found a serious use for it 1367171;1452563303;ben_vulpes;;;rated gernika 1367172;1452563304;gribble;You have not yet rated user gernika 1367173;1452563315;ben_vulpes;mwell i owe ya one 1367174;1452563316;mircea_popescu;if you think i'm about to load my head with random strings... 1367175;1452563402;ben_vulpes;mhm 1367176;1452563456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00051688 = 5.7891 BTC [+] 1367177;1452563500;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366337 << eve, but with btc, and on an island not in space 1367178;1452563500;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 15:21:54; copypaste: i very much love the concept of a 3d game with a bitcoin economy. i've played a few, but all poorly done. 1367179;1452563529;mircea_popescu;nah, eve has an inflation problem larger than the usg's. 1367180;1452563554;ben_vulpes;in the sense of a game that is most effectively played with spreadsheets. 1367181;1452563578;mircea_popescu;the "spreadsheets in space" thing referred to how its graphics/engine is absent, 1367182;1452563581;mircea_popescu;not to how you play it. 1367183;1452563592;ben_vulpes;you played trader without spreadsheets? 1367184;1452563603;BingoBoingo; nah, eve has an inflation problem larger than the usg's. << And a problem where some things had absolutely no market anywhere, like slaves. 1367185;1452563613;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sure. 1367186;1452563648;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu even got suicide ganked once 1367187;1452563654;mircea_popescu;lol 1367188;1452563715;BingoBoingo;He was mining in his little pickup truck with a new recruit and then he got FOOF'd 1367189;1452563721;mircea_popescu;yeah hey bb weren't you in 1btc ? 1367190;1452563726;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1367191;1452563732;mircea_popescu;how come you're not euloring ?! 1367192;1452563751;BingoBoingo;Newsing is awfully time consuming. 1367193;1452563768;mircea_popescu;anyway, the bitcoin eve society had like... a space station fully built and i dun remember how many of the not-titan class ships, a dozen or some shit 1367194;1452563770;BingoBoingo;The things I have to see 1367195;1452563795;mircea_popescu;but the game is incredibly boring. 1367196;1452563813;BingoBoingo;The fucking "jumps" were the worst part of hauling 1367197;1452563833;ben_vulpes;sinfully boring. 1367198;1452563838;mircea_popescu;in tyhe end i was using that society, what was their name 1367199;1452563840;ben_vulpes;and the mega-pvp, even worse. 1367200;1452563858;mircea_popescu;i think i had them haul 5 bn worth of isk in 10-20mn installments 1367201;1452563944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00051688 = 17.9874 BTC [+] 1367202;1452563960;mircea_popescu;but i do recall BingoBoingo did a bunch of hauls in one of those what were they called ? obelisk ? 1367203;1452563994;BingoBoingo;Nah the smaller thing. By the time I trained to the obelisk is about when I bored out of eve. Fucking jumps 1367204;1452564002;mircea_popescu;aha 1367205;1452564039;BingoBoingo;The prospect of locking up CPU time for 8 hour autopilot runs + normal Jita lag was too much 1367206;1452564044;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc what we did was, we had a full space station that produced fuel 1367207;1452564052;ben_vulpes;time based skilling, bleh. 1367208;1452564073;mircea_popescu;and fuel was in high demand so we bought some precursors from jita and sold the fuel to the people in low sec 1367209;1452564082;mircea_popescu;that and some worm hole digging, i recall going with hanbot 1367210;1452564083;BingoBoingo;time based skilling was nbd 1367211;1452564110;mircea_popescu;and with that other chick, what was her name 1367212;1452564124;mircea_popescu;dude how long ago was this ? 2012 ? 13 ? 1367213;1452564128;BingoBoingo;2013 1367214;1452564143;ben_vulpes;dang. 1367215;1452564150;mircea_popescu;feels like 30 fucking years, i reemember it as from under a concrete slab. 1367216;1452564160;BingoBoingo;Summer 2013. After I'd visited here and before I was sitting here full time 1367217;1452564202;mircea_popescu;i remember we kinda had enough of the shit at the same time and that guy, what's his name, the accountant guy ended up inheriting it all 1367218;1452564208;mircea_popescu;smickles, that's right! 1367219;1452564241;ben_vulpes;holy shit smickles 1367220;1452564242;mircea_popescu;;;seen smickles 1367221;1452564243;gribble;smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 30 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs 1367222;1452564244;ben_vulpes;;;seen smickles 1367223;1452564244;gribble;smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 30 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs 1367224;1452564245;mircea_popescu;HA! 1367225;1452564247;BingoBoingo;Ah, I missed that part 1367226;1452564300;mircea_popescu;yeah cuz we had a fully researched or whatever it was ? bp to make that battleship 1367227;1452564301;mircea_popescu;the good one. 1367228;1452564303;BingoBoingo;Even jurov got sucked into it with the S.MPOE/1BTC share convertability 1367229;1452564310;mircea_popescu;that alone was like 1bn then. prolly 15 bn by now lol 1367230;1452564316;mircea_popescu;a yeah. 1367231;1452564320;BingoBoingo;Inflation is a hell of a drug 1367232;1452564876;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016-info/nk-hwasong-gulag/nk-hwasong-gulag.htm << gotta love how usg names roads 'for them' 1367233;1452564877;assbot;North Korea Hwasong Gulag ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZEky3 ) 1367234;1452564891;*;asciilifeform can't wait for a map of washington made in pyongyang 1367235;1452564903;asciilifeform;with names. 1367236;1452565282;danielpbarron;ben_vulpes> you played trader without spreadsheets? << what is it for? I use strictly txt files in my various Eulora activities 1367237;1452565286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30673 @ 0.00051044 = 15.6567 BTC [-] {2} 1367238;1452565302;thestringpuller;LOL smickles has only beeng gone a year. I thought it was longer than that. 1367239;1452565313;ben_vulpes;year and thirty weeks 1367240;1452565325;thestringpuller;i see him on steam occassionaly. must have taken early retirement. 1367241;1452565336;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: recalculates values whenever inputs change? 1367242;1452565372;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: has equations in his text files? 1367243;1452565388;danielpbarron;in one called profit.txt yes 1367244;1452565397;asciilifeform;what's in ruin.txt ? 1367245;1452565404;ben_vulpes;haw 1367246;1452565422;danielpbarron;cat: ruin.txt: No such file or directory 1367247;1452565556;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366807 << aheha this from the guy who when looking at a dsl for a rules engine complained "but but what's wrong with the sexprs?!" 1367248;1452565556;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 17:40:46; ascii_butugychag: and i'm not interested in writing word 'nabla' instead of ∇ every time !111 1367249;1452565579;BingoBoingo; what's in ruin.txt ? << Enemies whose char would make suitable black for darkening wizard tower stones 1367250;1452565585;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wai wut 1367251;1452565625;ben_vulpes;'tis in the log 1367252;1452565642;asciilifeform;rules engine ? 1367253;1452565705;ben_vulpes;mhm 1367254;1452565717;*;asciilifeform digs futilely for the thread 1367255;1452565783;*;ben_vulpes sighs, goes looking as well 1367256;1452565788;ben_vulpes;doubt rules engine made it into the log 1367257;1452565835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6908 @ 0.00050125 = 3.4626 BTC [-] {2} 1367258;1452565852;asciilifeform;at any rate, the question of sexprs vs infix ('rich syntax', in derp terminology) is orthogonal to '∇ vs nabla' thing 1367259;1452565965;asciilifeform;and (λ (x y) (....)) ~is~ superior to (lambda... 1367260;1452565993;asciilifeform;and the keyboard of a civilized person ~ought to~ have a alt-graph metakey and a λ printed on the front facet of the L. 1367261;1452566058;asciilifeform;and to compare this to the idiot 'smiley' crapolade is lunacy 1367262;1452566070;asciilifeform;shit, shinola. both black, 'spreading works', the similarity ends there. 1367263;1452566147;ben_vulpes;motherfucker 1367264;1452566161;ben_vulpes;where did this come from and where did it go 1367265;1452566169;asciilifeform;lemme guess, it was a gabriel_laddel thread 1367266;1452566187;ben_vulpes;doubt it. 1367267;1452566201;ben_vulpes;memory implies it was a link followed from some acl conference sponsors list. 1367268;1452566262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0005035 = 8.2574 BTC [+] {4} 1367269;1452566333;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can you recall any ? 1367270;1452566343;asciilifeform;i must've slept through this. 1367271;1452566346;asciilifeform;as did assbot. 1367272;1452566378;ben_vulpes;bah. 1367273;1452566402;ben_vulpes;i've been digging, but the line's not showing in the logs. 1367274;1452566421;ben_vulpes;not even searching for from:ben_vulpes asciilifeform http -log.bitcoin-assets.com 1367275;1452566447;ben_vulpes;the sample code had some declarative rules, and your complaint was something along the lines of "why'd they get rid of the parens?!" 1367276;1452566490;asciilifeform;... 1367277;1452566491;*;ben_vulpes shrugs 1367278;1452566493;ben_vulpes;'tis lost. 1367279;1452566709;asciilifeform;let's do a brick-in-your-face-obvious illustrative case. 1367280;1452566712;asciilifeform;λf. (λx. f (x x))(λx. f (x x)) 1367281;1452566751;asciilifeform;vs 1367282;1452566761;asciilifeform;lambda f. (lambda x. f (x x))(lambda x. f (x x)) 1367283;1452566800;asciilifeform;(the alert reader will recognize the infamous 'y combinator.') 1367284;1452566804;asciilifeform;now WHICH ONE IS READABLE 1367285;1452566817;mircea_popescu;the latter. 1367286;1452566823;asciilifeform;l0l 1367287;1452566831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu speaks like a fella who never has to. 1367288;1452566839;asciilifeform;has to any of it. 1367289;1452566854;mircea_popescu;look... i read what i read. what do you want from me ? 1367290;1452566918;asciilifeform;idk, get out old notebook from school, and see how many pages it'd take you to ~unambiguously~ and ~rigorously~ english-verbalize, e.g., green's theorem ? 1367291;1452566995;mircea_popescu;in 6th or 7th grade at some point i discovered sums and the sigma. i was enchanted for about a year. throughout highschool i just wrote them out. 1367292;1452567002;mircea_popescu;because it seriously is no fucking gain. 1367293;1452567009;asciilifeform;and when you have 11 of them nested ? 1367294;1452567011;asciilifeform;also wrote out ? 1367295;1452567012;mircea_popescu;besides the fact that it paginates poorly. 1367296;1452567018;mircea_popescu;if you have 11 nested you fucked something up. 1367297;1452567021;asciilifeform;mno. 1367298;1452567032;asciilifeform;then you're writing a graphics engine, mayhap 1367299;1452567048;mircea_popescu;look : if you have 11 sums nested you fucked something up. 1367300;1452567055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.0005086 = 6.9933 BTC [+] {3} 1367301;1452567087;asciilifeform;what next, if i need to define an operator i also fucked up ? 1367302;1452567103;asciilifeform;or to use more than 26 variables ? 1367303;1452567105;mircea_popescu;just define whatever the fuck and work on one sum at a fucking time already. 1367304;1452567130;mircea_popescu;if i see void alfun (1, 2, 3, 4 .. 26); ima think you can't code. 1367305;1452567137;asciilifeform;who said code. 1367306;1452567150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu didntcha do peano, frege, et al? how did you manage with 26 letters ? 1367307;1452567164;mircea_popescu;by looking at parts at a time! 1367308;1452567166;asciilifeform;we ran through all of latin, greek, went through much of hebrew on one chalkboardfull 1367309;1452567173;mircea_popescu;the conceptual equivalent of writing fucking subroutines you nut you. 1367310;1452567180;asciilifeform;reusing letters in 1 proof 1367311;1452567183;asciilifeform;is like reusing 1367312;1452567184;asciilifeform;toilet paper. 1367313;1452567188;asciilifeform;during the course of ONE SHIT. 1367314;1452567192;asciilifeform;even. 1367315;1452567202;asciilifeform;washing it, yes. 1367316;1452567244;mircea_popescu;dude get out. there's 7 bn people alive today, not to mention historically, and you think having twenty or a hundred slices of tp makes a difference ? 1367317;1452567248;mircea_popescu;they're all equally dirty anyway. 1367318;1452567291;asciilifeform;typically the only way any of it makes a difference to me is between grasping and not-grasping a thing. 1367319;1452567300;mircea_popescu;well so fine, have at! 1367320;1452567342;mircea_popescu;i'm not telling you how to grasp things, you're the one that keeps going "no true scotsman would go around without a parasol" or w/e. 1367321;1452567347;asciilifeform;mno 1367322;1452567354;mircea_popescu;be the scotsman with a parasol, what do i care. 1367323;1452567362;asciilifeform;my position was 'maths can only adequately happen on a graphical terminal' 1367324;1452567376;mircea_popescu;this is a self-ridiculing proposition. 1367325;1452567390;asciilifeform;relatedly, i spend a great deal of time in uni maths library. to this day. and every so often i end up picking up a thing that was typeset on the cheap, in the dark ages, using typewriter 1367326;1452567397;asciilifeform;EVEN THERE folks laboured to ascii-art the sigmas etc. 1367327;1452567406;asciilifeform;inked in the integral signs. 1367328;1452567406;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1367329;1452567416;mircea_popescu;yeah i had a raft of that retarded shit too 1367330;1452567421;asciilifeform;aha 1367331;1452567425;mircea_popescu;machine written for text and then hand drawn for symbolics 1367332;1452567435;asciilifeform;didja ever walk up to the author, and ask 'why didntcha do plain text like euclid' 1367333;1452567440;mircea_popescu;i don't remember any of it. nobody does, people who wrote it included. 1367334;1452567453;mircea_popescu;yes, actually. i generally said this si fucking stupid and you people suck. 1367335;1452567474;asciilifeform;aha but generally 1367336;1452567492;asciilifeform;or what, mircea_popescu would've stayed in mathematics if not for the squigglies 1367337;1452567511;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of squigglies in physics too. i never much cared. 1367338;1452567535;mircea_popescu;there's no particular boon to understanding to be had from squiggling. 1367339;1452567566;asciilifeform;it isn't about magical force of squiggle, but elementarily FITTING A THING ON A PAGE that would not otherwise fit in one eyeful. 1367340;1452567589;mircea_popescu;my brain doesn't work by thje eyefull iom not a fucking toad omfg 1367341;1452567597;asciilifeform;and if your working memory is titanic and you laugh, all that is needed is to come up with an example that straddles the line ~for you~ 1367342;1452567603;mircea_popescu;do you think i presently notated the merchant of venice so 3555 liunes fit in one page ? 1367343;1452567609;mircea_popescu;it's still in my fucking head. i read it. wtf. 1367344;1452567625;asciilifeform;just like you can brag about being a muscle man, but i can always fill a knapsack that you cannot move with, so you cannot say 'it does not matter what a knapsack weighs!111' 1367345;1452567640;asciilifeform;merchant of venice != theorem 1367346;1452567641;mircea_popescu;and you're gonna paint it red and fix it ? 1367347;1452567655;mircea_popescu;because why! 1367348;1452567670;asciilifeform;same basic idea as cpu cache 1367349;1452567676;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as fits-in-head 1367350;1452567678;mircea_popescu;i'm not a fucking cpu. 1367351;1452567686;asciilifeform;your head is a finite thing. 1367352;1452567698;mircea_popescu;yes, and your option is to either do a retarded sort of implicity tree by using hyeroglyphicd 1367353;1452567700;asciilifeform;just like everybody;s. 1367354;1452567710;mircea_popescu;or else make the thing plain text and sort it in your head like a functioning brain already. 1367355;1452567726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6285 @ 0.00051687 = 3.2485 BTC [+] {3} 1367356;1452567726;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu posts the plaintext rigorous green's theorem, i promise to read it.. 1367357;1452567737;mircea_popescu;you people. 1367358;1452567749;mircea_popescu;that dude goes hey, rewrite this chunk of the english cannon, it is broken 1367359;1452567752;mircea_popescu;then you with this 1367360;1452567757;mircea_popescu;what do you think i am, a race horse ? 1367361;1452567771;asciilifeform;l0lz 1367362;1452567780;asciilifeform;if i have to be shiva, mircea_popescu can be a racehorse!111 1367363;1452567787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9165 @ 0.00051704 = 4.7387 BTC [+] 1367364;1452567826;mircea_popescu;half the fucking things i do here each day and every day is exactly that, force people to properly plaintext their shit. 1367365;1452567836;mircea_popescu;and he still wants a proof because the log is not here or something 1367366;1452567873;asciilifeform;speaking of this & earlier thread, a treatise on 'v' philosophy is definitely a necessary thing 1367367;1452567892;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1367368;1452567892;asciilifeform;i tried to write it, actually, and ran out of juice 1367369;1452567892;asciilifeform;ended up writing v instead 1367370;1452567892;asciilifeform;easier. 1367371;1452567895;mircea_popescu;got any pieces ? 1367372;1452567908;mircea_popescu;i don't see this emerging other than by piecemeal correction, honestly. 1367373;1452567994;asciilifeform;nothing immediately usable. might take another stab at it on the train tomorrow 1367374;1452568008;*;asciilifeform is watching the scrolling logs from his trb nodez, it is like music, so smooth 1367375;1452568019;asciilifeform;no 'blackholing', etc., any of it. 1367376;1452568036;asciilifeform;(since patch) 1367377;1452568090;mircea_popescu;For any smooth, simple closed positively oriented curve in a plane, if two functions are defined on any open region containing the area bounded by that curve, should those functions have continuous derivatives in the region then the integral over their sum is the integral over the region's integration of their differential. 1367378;1452568092;mircea_popescu;how's that. 1367379;1452568134;*;asciilifeform finds himself mentally converting this to proper format !11 1367380;1452568139;mircea_popescu;lol 1367381;1452568164;asciilifeform;also reminds me of canonical ru kidz rhyme, 1367382;1452568167;asciilifeform;'Тело, впернутое в воду Выпирает на свободу. С массой выпертой воды Тела, впертого туды!' 1367383;1452568173;asciilifeform;(archimede's law) 1367384;1452568180;mircea_popescu;let me put this another way : the first, the cheapest and most formidable weapon every science teacher has to ferret out the cheat 1367385;1452568191;mircea_popescu;is to hold up a piece of exam paper and say "now explain to me what's in here". 1367386;1452568196;asciilifeform;now this, yes 1367387;1452568202;mircea_popescu;you know this is so. you know it distinguishes the pass from the cheat. 1367388;1452568205;asciilifeform;ought to include even building rubber band model. 1367389;1452568206;mircea_popescu;so then... what are we on about! 1367390;1452568229;asciilifeform;the canonical representation that is to be worked with by a serious user. 1367391;1452568238;asciilifeform;(vs a kid asked to prove that he hadn't cribbed.) 1367392;1452568265;asciilifeform;can you picture a computeralgebratron that eats english ? 1367393;1452568271;asciilifeform;that doesn't make user want to eat his pistol ? 1367394;1452568279;mircea_popescu;but this is not the point! 1367395;1452568284;mircea_popescu;i eat it. 1367396;1452568383;mod6;i like the idea that we could have a regular char set, like 127 bit ascii, and do everything from this. and if you need Sigma, its SIG, or LAMBDA, its LMA or Absolute Value, ABS. 1367397;1452568408;mircea_popescu;no fucking way, this isn't how derive worked!!11 1367398;1452568411;mircea_popescu;pssshhhh 1367399;1452568418;asciilifeform;mod6: visit a university library and read the atrocious typewriter manuscripts. 1367400;1452568420;asciilifeform;and weep. 1367401;1452568433;mod6;haha. 1367402;1452568455;mircea_popescu;did you or did youi not type ABS(x dx) in derive until you dropped! 1367403;1452568460;mod6;it just seems like stuff like this works well: <+mircea_popescu> For any smooth, simple closed positively oriented curve in a plane, if two functions are defined on any open region containing the area bounded by that curve, should those functions have continuous derivatives in the region then the integral over their sum is the integral over the region's integration of their differential. 1367404;1452568467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure did 1367405;1452568477;mod6;and then when it doesn't there's alway some short hand one could do without resorting to unicode or PS. 1367406;1452568496;asciilifeform;mod6: now verbalize a tensor. 1367407;1452568508;mircea_popescu;"a tensor" 1367408;1452568510;asciilifeform;or so much as an ordinary quaternion. 1367409;1452568537;asciilifeform;connection from 186.137.7.31:47303 dropped (banned) 1367410;1452568537;asciilifeform;connection from 62.210.127.113:49725 dropped (banned) 1367411;1452568537;asciilifeform;connection from 186.137.7.31:47307 dropped (banned) 1367412;1452568537;asciilifeform;connection from 62.210.127.113:49726 dropped (banned) 1367413;1452568539;asciilifeform;^ lulzz 1367414;1452568545;mod6;i dunno? sig = [T(e1)T(e2)T(e3)] 1367415;1452568555;asciilifeform;ahahahaha but not verbal !! 1367416;1452568560;asciilifeform;you used... notation!11 1367417;1452568566;mircea_popescu;and for the record : NO THEOREM, no rule or function or anything in ALL OF MATH can survive without the [usually more important] limits and domain definition. 1367418;1452568575;asciilifeform;aha 1367419;1452568579;mod6;something like that? im not really only saying verbal. im just saying, hey, lets practice safe ascii. 1367420;1452568580;mircea_popescu;i couldn't care less you use sigma or the integral. what matters is the foreword 1367421;1452568583;asciilifeform;there is always chunks we haven't any shorthand for, yes 1367422;1452568589;mircea_popescu;now simbolize "positive oriented curve" 1367423;1452568606;mircea_popescu;so then what the bloody hell. 1367424;1452568612;asciilifeform;verbal dressing is 'part of balanced diet.' 1367425;1452568621;mircea_popescu;pfff 1367426;1452568628;mircea_popescu;the "symbolized" math thing makes kids stupid 1367427;1452568645;mircea_popescu;(they focus on the domain and fail to comprehend the limit. it's how we neded up with the power rangers in the first place. 1367428;1452568659;mircea_popescu;the heresies of barbarians are not accidental, but driven by fundamental stupidities of their culture.) 1367429;1452568676;asciilifeform;they are driven by what the broken pieces are that they find to glue into mosaics, are of. 1367430;1452568689;asciilifeform;whether roman frescoes or 19th c. mathematics. 1367431;1452568705;mircea_popescu;i bet you they all grew up as kids among a herd of wolves worshipping the symbol, never once thinking to make them write it down in words. 1367432;1452568715;mircea_popescu;and then you wonder why idiot anglos have "issues" with word problems. 1367433;1452568718;mircea_popescu;wonder away. 1367434;1452568722;asciilifeform;wai wut 1367435;1452568727;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "a tensor" << haha, i missed this 1367436;1452568744;asciilifeform;'tenser, said the tensor' (tm) (r) (bester) 1367437;1452568749;mircea_popescu;yeah well ? 1367438;1452568787;asciilifeform;lacan et al made the exact same kind of salad from words 1367439;1452568796;mircea_popescu;not at all. 1367440;1452568801;asciilifeform;as mathemasturbatory abusers from symbols 1367441;1452568819;mircea_popescu;nah, those are just idiots, the lacan troop were actual trolls. 1367442;1452568834;mircea_popescu;guy had a (rather transparent) profit motive. 1367443;1452568835;asciilifeform;takes an expert entomologist to distinguish the result 1367444;1452568840;mircea_popescu;this it does. 1367445;1452568999;mod6;I guess this does actually effect us a bit -- i mean, lets say we wanna do some math modeling or expound upon some properties of something fourier whatever, and send it to the ML... now you gotta have it in ascii otherwise you can't sign it. 1367446;1452569036;mircea_popescu;aha 1367447;1452569048;mircea_popescu;the reason we spend so much ink on this is that it is in fact the biggest problem we met yet. 1367448;1452569081;asciilifeform;y'know, just because you force the 8th bit of every bt to 0 doesn't make it 'human-readable' 1367449;1452569087;asciilifeform;as the xml bozos taught us, to much grief 1367450;1452569107;asciilifeform;in fact, this is exactly the kind of error that gave us xml 1367451;1452569109;mircea_popescu;you're so far not content with A FINITE ALPHABET! 1367452;1452569112;mircea_popescu;heathen 1367453;1452569121;asciilifeform;finite includes the symbols of cultured men 1367454;1452569132;mircea_popescu;you can't finite the infinite arbitrarily. 1367455;1452569139;mircea_popescu;for all you knwo your kid will come up with novel shit. 1367456;1452569154;asciilifeform;eh that's easy 1367457;1452569157;asciilifeform;culture stopped. 1367458;1452569160;mircea_popescu;pfff 1367459;1452569186;asciilifeform;but in point of fact glyphs ought to work like amiga .MOD music file format. 1367460;1452569205;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not prepared for this matter to get a ruling. 1367461;1452569210;mircea_popescu;much further argument must yet be heard. 1367462;1452569218;asciilifeform;i.e. you would embed the glyph, if it is a non-traditional one, and represented as an s-expr driving a vectorizer 1367463;1452569224;asciilifeform;in a logical way 1367464;1452569251;mircea_popescu;"as the xml bozos taught us, to much grief" 1367465;1452569255;asciilifeform;(in .MOD, instrument patches are part of the file) 1367466;1452569278;asciilifeform;i'm half-convinced that naggum painfully killed himself to pay for xml. 1367467;1452569341;mircea_popescu;they tried the same sleigh of hand, basically. "oh, driving a vectorizer in a logical way" 1367468;1452569351;mircea_popescu;how about you drink benzene and talk to the stove. 1367469;1452569354;mircea_popescu;in a logical way. 1367470;1452569361;asciilifeform;l0l 1367471;1452569379;asciilifeform;thing is, anything the xml folks did was doomed to be an act of retardation. because they ~were~ the wrong people. 1367472;1452569385;asciilifeform;the wrong people had a seat at the table. 1367473;1452569391;mircea_popescu;ya im sure you're special. 1367474;1452569438;mircea_popescu;the secret to winning the war isn't to make the other motherfucker die for his country. it's to discourage this motherfucking from thinking he can walk up the wall. 1367475;1452569443;asciilifeform;it was a classical 'committee' thing. 1367476;1452569447;mircea_popescu;so it was. 1367477;1452569465;mircea_popescu;it'd have failed even more miserably if god himself sat with budhha and fucked the actual shiva on that very table. 1367478;1452569533;asciilifeform;the whole xml (actually sgml, the root of the disease) crock of shit was fundamentally an intellectual crime in that it set out by pretending that sexpr did not exist, that lisp never happened 1367479;1452569536;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> how about you drink benzene and talk to the stove. << haha 1367480;1452569548;asciilifeform;and 'reasoned' from there 1367481;1452569556;asciilifeform;and bloviating louts got to 'solve' the 'problem' 1367482;1452569568;asciilifeform;in the now very familiar usgtronic sense. 1367483;1452569571;mircea_popescu;they did all sorts of stupid shit, but again, the whole "a wizard did it, to a vectorizer, logically" is enough to sink that ship. 1367484;1452569576;mircea_popescu;everyone always wanting to have jets. 1367485;1452569618;asciilifeform;'truetype', the thing that made the adobe partners rich, was actually this 1367486;1452569620;asciilifeform;and it worked. 1367487;1452569639;mircea_popescu;;;google truetype exploit 1367488;1452569640;gribble;Project Zero: One font vulnerability to rule them all #1: Introducing ...: ; Microsoft Windows TrueType Font parsing zero-day vulnerability ...: ; Recent Zero-Day (1 more message) 1367489;1452569643;asciilifeform;you are actually looking at it right now. 1367490;1452569690;asciilifeform;exploitability does not drop from the sky, no. 1367491;1452569699;phf;could be looking at bdf/pcf 1367492;1452569703;asciilifeform;i can write an exploitable calculator, what of it. 1367493;1452569715;mircea_popescu;ima give this theory a very cautious maybe. 1367494;1452569910;asciilifeform;incidentally, sgml was ibm grasping for a relevance toehold 1367495;1452569921;asciilifeform;knowing that it Musted Die 1367496;1452569930;asciilifeform;searched for a way to sink a claw into the living. 1367497;1452569953;asciilifeform;like any proper кощей. 1367498;1452569990;asciilifeform;ibm cavorted in a 'lisp never happened' parallel universe for a loooong time. 1367499;1452569993;asciilifeform;arguably, even NOW. 1367500;1452570037;asciilifeform;and the bloody mess worked as a magnet for ten thousand insect men 1367501;1452570049;asciilifeform;fond of 'libraryizing', categorizing, classifying, filing and misfiling. 1367502;1452570062;asciilifeform;see, e.g., RDF/ 1367503;1452570064;asciilifeform;. 1367504;1452570070;asciilifeform;OWL. 1367505;1452570093;asciilifeform;these buggers ~won~, in the sense of extinguishing all life in anything they touched. 1367506;1452570171;mircea_popescu;eh, life managed to extinguish itself on its very own well enough. 1367507;1452570244;trinque;asciilifeform │ and (λ (x y) (....)) ~is~ superior to (lambda... << with this I have no problem at all. 1367508;1452570273;asciilifeform;l0l trinque missed mega-thr3ad 1367509;1452570351;trinque;:( but I am enjoying it! 1367510;1452570406;phf;apropos i like how cl does it, there's a set of characters that are predefined to be standard and portable, and it's basically an mp set: alphabet, digits, top row, handful of controls like newline. each character has a numeric code and a verbose name #\a #\b #\space #\newline. there's a handful of predicates that let you query characters basic nature, upcasep/downcasep/whitespacep. that's it. an implementation though can choose to 1367511;1452570406;phf;include any number of extra characters, say code 120 #\lambda, and also decide how it wants to present them to console/file (say, by writing unicode, or letting user choose the encoding). so a maxima machine can have a set of mathematical symbols for there and then, but not with any sort of claim to univesality. 1367512;1452570431;asciilifeform;phf: iirc originally standard was to understand what glyphs are 1367513;1452570439;asciilifeform;it is how character became a distinct type 1367514;1452570445;asciilifeform;non-interchangeable with numerics 1367515;1452570448;asciilifeform;note ^ 1367516;1452570466;asciilifeform;but it was nixed, because folks other than symbolics were allowed to have their tard-say 1367517;1452570490;asciilifeform;and so the result was, as always is from committee, a chimera. 1367518;1452570498;mircea_popescu;wait, wut ? 1367519;1452570538;asciilifeform;https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node135.html 1367520;1452570539;assbot;13. Characters ... ( http://bit.ly/1UKQpaV ) 1367521;1452570569;mircea_popescu;"In general, characters in Common Lisp are not true objects; eq cannot be counted upon to operate on them reliably. In particular, it is possible that the expression 1367522;1452570569;mircea_popescu;(let ((x z) (y z)) (eq x y)) 1367523;1452570571;mircea_popescu;may be false rather than true, if the value of z is a character." 1367524;1452570573;mircea_popescu;oh get the fuck out. 1367525;1452570575;asciilifeform;'Each character code is composed from a character script and a character label. The convention by which a character script and character label compose a character code is implementation dependent. [X3J13 did not approve all parts of the proposal from its Subcommittee on Characters. As a result, some features that were approved appear to have no purpose.' 1367526;1452570586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is CORRECT 1367527;1452570602;mircea_popescu;correct to what. 1367528;1452570605;asciilifeform;and it is a preemptive and permanent cure for the unicode retardation. 1367529;1452570611;asciilifeform;characters as a distinct animal from numerics. 1367530;1452570617;mircea_popescu;and how do i search ? 1367531;1452570650;asciilifeform;http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_search.htm 1367532;1452570651;assbot;CLHS: Function SEARCH ... ( http://bit.ly/1UKQBa8 ) 1367533;1452570692;mircea_popescu;"The implementation may choose to search sequence-2 in any order; there is no guarantee on the number of times the test is made." 1367534;1452570693;mircea_popescu;what ? 1367535;1452570695;asciilifeform;you can search any set of anything for which equality is defined! 1367536;1452570710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was a warning not to attach side effects to the act of comparison 1367537;1452570714;mircea_popescu;who the fuck writes code like this. 1367538;1452570715;asciilifeform;(who would? i've nfi) 1367539;1452570727;asciilifeform;but, as when reading a municipal fire code, 1367540;1452570732;asciilifeform;know that ~somebody~ must have. 1367541;1452570742;mircea_popescu;dude if you imagine it is acceptable for me to sit here looking at two strings AND NOT KNOW exactly what the machine will do if i tell it to search 1367542;1452570749;mircea_popescu;you're from another universe. 1367543;1452570763;asciilifeform;the machine will compare every element to your search item. 1367544;1452570768;asciilifeform;what part of this is a mega-mystery. 1367545;1452570783;mircea_popescu;does it bubblesort ? 1367546;1452570794;asciilifeform;this is not implicit in the act of searching 1367547;1452570798;asciilifeform;on any system 1367548;1452570802;mircea_popescu;i wish to know wtf it does omg. 1367549;1452570824;asciilifeform;by default, it starts from beginning and iterates, comparing each thing, until finds or until runs out of thing. 1367550;1452570838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10831 @ 0.00050125 = 5.429 BTC [-] {2} 1367551;1452570838;asciilifeform;this is how search on an unsorted list works anywhere in the universe 1367552;1452570841;mircea_popescu;iterates ? what, by one item ? 1367553;1452570845;asciilifeform;how else 1367554;1452570853;mircea_popescu;no, this is not how search works "anywhere" in the universe. 1367555;1452570870;asciilifeform;i get it, mircea_popescu wants boyer-moore 1367556;1452570871;asciilifeform;etc 1367557;1452570873;mircea_popescu;the bit discussing the cheating involved in the asm translation of search in c was added to the log about a year ago 1367558;1452570876;mircea_popescu;recall it ? 1367559;1452570897;asciilifeform;nope 1367560;1452570906;asciilifeform;was this the old-unixen thread ? 1367561;1452570908;mircea_popescu;well now ima gonna have to search won't i ;/ 1367562;1452570999;mircea_popescu;the idea was that it sacrificed outlier cases to get a better performance curve geared towards more common cases 1367563;1452571025;mircea_popescu;by jumping the index, smashing stacks and doing all sorts of shenanigans. 1367564;1452571029;phf;asciilifeform: i think numerics is a truly dodgy tradeoff. it took me until quite recently to grok that "character code == ascii" or "character code == unicode codepoint" are not the only two possible interpretations. 1367565;1452571103;asciilifeform;phf: and yet one still finds people arithmetizing on characters, thinking that they are doing nothing wrong, then wondering why unicode is retarded and anything involving it is a crock of shit where so much as a fart runs in O(N) at best 1367566;1452571103;*;mircea_popescu gives up in frustration. if anyone recalls the damned thing say. 1367567;1452571156;mircea_popescu;"As an example, table 13-1 shows the character labels, graphic symbols, and character descriptions for all of the characters in the repertoire standard-char except for #\Space and #\Newline." 1367568;1452571158;mircea_popescu;what is # ? 1367569;1452571194;phf;a reader dispatch character 1367570;1452571195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pound-quote 1367571;1452571203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00050125 = 5.0626 BTC [-] {2} 1367572;1452571207;mircea_popescu;mno. if we read the very table referenced, we find 1367573;1452571213;mircea_popescu;SM01 # number sign 1367574;1452571228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is an in-band magic sequence denoting a named character 1367575;1452571231;mircea_popescu;so apparently characters are introduced by ... an escape sequence (lol)... which happens to be... NUMBER SIGN ? 1367576;1452571244;mircea_popescu;is this deliberately self-mocking humour ? 1367577;1452571253;asciilifeform;it's what grew on the keyboard. 1367578;1452571265;mircea_popescu;this doesn't make you lol ? 1367579;1452571276;asciilifeform;could've just as easily been a ^ 1367580;1452571282;mircea_popescu;but it isn't. 1367581;1452571306;mircea_popescu;so characters ARE numbers, aite ? 1367582;1452571324;asciilifeform;only in the sense everything else on the machine is. 1367583;1452571330;asciilifeform;BUT they are not a ring. 1367584;1452571341;mircea_popescu;no, in the sense that they are specifically labelled thus with a label specifically made to label numbers. 1367585;1452571345;asciilifeform;mno. 1367586;1452571352;asciilifeform;they are not a ring. 1367587;1452571356;asciilifeform;and they are not ordered. 1367588;1452571356;mircea_popescu;right, "|they could have also called it penis sign" 1367589;1452571385;mircea_popescu;they aren't ordered ? so "a" > "b" returns undefined ? 1367590;1452571402;asciilifeform;returns whatever satan prepared for this sinful occasion, yes. 1367591;1452571412;mircea_popescu;but this is blatantly not how the alphabet goes. 1367592;1452571416;mircea_popescu;a comes before b. 1367593;1452571428;phf;mircea_popescu: file:///Users/pf/Desktop/documentation/HyperSpec-7-0/HyperSpec/Body/13_af.htm 1367594;1452571430;phf;err 1367595;1452571436;mircea_popescu;lol ty . 1367596;1452571455;asciilifeform;* (> #\b #\a) 1367597;1452571455;asciilifeform;debugger invoked on a TYPE-ERROR in thread 1367598;1452571455;asciilifeform;#: 1367599;1452571455;asciilifeform; The value #\b is not of type NUMBER. 1367600;1452571455;phf;hehe, where do people normally get this shit from??? 1367601;1452571461;asciilifeform;^ sbcl 1.1.6 1367602;1452571477;asciilifeform;phf: l0l!! everybody has this problem, aha 1367603;1452571479;phf;mircea_popescu: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/13_af.htm 1367604;1452571480;assbot;CLHS: Section 13.1.6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6EGi ) 1367605;1452571482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is there a special function to inquire which of two comes before in the alphabet ? 1367606;1452571493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is NOT a 'the alphabet' in the cl standard ! 1367607;1452571505;mircea_popescu;"Of the standard characters, those which are alphanumeric obey the following partial ordering:" 1367608;1452571509;mircea_popescu;this shit's so retarded... 1367609;1452571512;mircea_popescu;partial ordering ? rly ? 1367610;1452571521;asciilifeform;the committee could not and did not, afaik, remotely contemplate attempting to invent unicode or similar. 1367611;1452571575;mircea_popescu;so if i sort a file containing a bunch of words, i do not know if i should look for ___stuff at the end or beginning or scattered anywhere. 1367612;1452571580;mircea_popescu;who comes up with this shit ? 1367613;1452571592;asciilifeform;and it is ~wrong~ to IMPLICITLY arithmetize on non-arithmetic objects. 1367614;1452571601;asciilifeform;asking what 'A' + 'B' is equal to, 1367615;1452571605;asciilifeform;is talking-to-the-stove. 1367616;1452571611;asciilifeform;while drinking benzene by the litre. 1367617;1452571613;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, sorting lists of words is the most basic, primary, entrly level task for any scribe. 1367618;1452571633;mircea_popescu;and i should not be surprised, lest the scribe gets her ass colored. 1367619;1452571636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can trivially define a partial ordering when sorting 1367620;1452571651;mircea_popescu;i can also trivially define the new location of washington dc. 1367621;1452571651;asciilifeform;but have to ~explicitly~ do it 1367622;1452571661;asciilifeform;hey it could mov 1367623;1452571662;asciilifeform;e 1367624;1452571666;asciilifeform;like ulab batur !!11 1367625;1452571667;asciilifeform;*ulan 1367626;1452571675;mircea_popescu;the fucking point of having an alphabet is that no, it couldn't move. 1367627;1452571677;asciilifeform;kept movin' till, when, 20th c? 1367628;1452571687;asciilifeform;ru alphabet moved plenty 1367629;1452571692;mircea_popescu;and no, i won't be looking for the beatles records past the why records. 1367630;1452571698;mircea_popescu;yes but ru are idiots. 1367631;1452571702;phf;mircea_popescu: wait, partial ordering in this case means that alphabet is ordered. it's meaningless things like "is _ greater then a" that are not defined 1367632;1452571711;asciilifeform;and the latin christendom, clever ? 1367633;1452571721;mircea_popescu;phf and if idiots make functions going ___function where in the ordered list do i look for them ? 1367634;1452571728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's besides the point :D 1367635;1452571862;asciilifeform;incidentally, was anybody else cruelly shocked as a kid when discovering that the 8th-bit upper 'ansi' character of msdos is NOT standardized ? 1367636;1452571869;asciilifeform;and failing to find it on one's first unix box. 1367637;1452571906;BingoBoingo; and it is ~wrong~ to IMPLICITLY arithmetize on non-arithmetic objects. << What would Terry Davis say about this? 1367638;1452571920;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why not ask him ? 1367639;1452571931;asciilifeform;iirc he's findable 1367640;1452571936;BingoBoingo;Not full of benzene 1367641;1452571951;BingoBoingo;findable yes, predictable output??? 1367642;1452571951;phf;mircea_popescu: there are parts of standard that are underspecified :) 1367643;1452572007;mircea_popescu;im unimpressed. 1367644;1452572080;asciilifeform;picture if satan lifted his magic wand, and, somehow, mpex and glbse (!) and havel0l, et al, had to ALL sit down and STANDARDIZE the stock exchange ... 1367645;1452572081;phf;the only redeeming quality in this case, that there aren't better standards available, except for maybe Ada (i've not looked). you end up with trade offs, or hard constraints that make the result non-portable. a positive aspect of cl standard is that you get reasonably similar behavior on very wide range of hardware, but i agree that things could always be better 1367646;1452572100;asciilifeform;in a way that doesn't leave the crud exchanges simply going to a pit to die 1367647;1452572108;asciilifeform;because oh noez, they get voicez!11111 1367648;1452572110;asciilifeform;representation! 1367649;1452572129;asciilifeform;this is sorta what happened. symbolics co. had to 'compromise' with the turd vendors 1367650;1452572139;asciilifeform;whose lisps didn't even run on a real graphical console 1367651;1452572176;asciilifeform;(the entire process took place at all, as i gather, because foolishly smbx thought it could finesse the process) 1367652;1452572203;mircea_popescu;and why did they ?\ 1367653;1452572213;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with "fuck you, you're childrten, go away. this is the spec." 1367654;1452572221;mircea_popescu;it's after all what mpex did. the children did go away. 1367655;1452572230;mircea_popescu;the "concerned parents" wanna-bes with them. 1367656;1452572235;asciilifeform;because this was not quite it. 1367657;1452572245;asciilifeform;there were multiple licensees of the original mit machine 1367658;1452572262;mircea_popescu;anyway. i have no intention to bake in historical idiocy, and especially not of this ilk. 1367659;1452572271;mircea_popescu;i have had enough seawater in the shape of bitcoin genesis 1367660;1452572284;asciilifeform;(early on, it was not clear that smbx would annihilate the rest) 1367661;1452572294;asciilifeform;much less that it would shortly after, die. 1367662;1452572303;mircea_popescu;depending on who you asked, it was "not clear" that mpex will bury mtgox, let alone bitcoinica. 1367663;1452572308;asciilifeform;was it mircea_popescu who had the article with the giant and his chair ? 1367664;1452572309;mircea_popescu;now that... 1367665;1452572317;mircea_popescu;among many others, im sure. 1367666;1452572351;mircea_popescu;anyway. i have nothing against lisp, neither historically nor intellectually. but this is an unsatisfactory notion of an alphabet. 1367667;1452572363;mircea_popescu;while the idea that "letters aren't numbers, sit down" is sound, 1367668;1452572390;mircea_popescu;there's as the romanians say, "mai e mult pina departe". there's a lot to go to far away. 1367669;1452572404;asciilifeform;so is A > α ? 1367670;1452572405;asciilifeform;or not ? 1367671;1452572411;asciilifeform;or do i not get an α ? 1367672;1452572413;mircea_popescu;pick one. 1367673;1452572423;mircea_popescu;also, do you get two A's ? 1367674;1452572426;mircea_popescu;because capital alpha is A. 1367675;1452572442;asciilifeform;and how about ∀ ? 1367676;1452572460;mircea_popescu;you actually aim to use a dword for the alphabet encoding ? 1367677;1452572466;mircea_popescu;how's it gonna fit in your head ? 1367678;1452572474;asciilifeform;this is not implicit in the question, is it 1367679;1452572490;mircea_popescu;suppose you limit yourself to a hundred or so of these. 1367680;1452572501;mircea_popescu;that way i can look at a piece of paper with them 1367681;1452572511;asciilifeform;see mircea_popescu you are arithmetizing in your head 1367682;1452572515;asciilifeform;from decades of habit 1367683;1452572529;mircea_popescu;mno, i am merely in the habit of having a mendelev table on my fucking wall. 1367684;1452572544;mircea_popescu;nature makes do with a hundred or so. you're better ? 1367685;1452572547;asciilifeform;what if i said that α ought to live as an s-expr equalling (low (greek 0)) ? 1367686;1452572559;mircea_popescu;is that tetha ? 1367687;1452572564;asciilifeform;zero 1367688;1452572569;mircea_popescu;uh 1367689;1452572573;asciilifeform;(this is not a notation on any existing system, i invented it) 1367690;1452572588;mircea_popescu;so you're going to just have indexes ? 1367691;1452572597;asciilifeform;it has useful semantic structure 1367692;1452572597;mircea_popescu;isn't this contrary to everything you been saying to date ? 1367693;1452572599;asciilifeform;and is operable 1367694;1452572605;asciilifeform;e.g., i can turn it into an aleph 1367695;1452572608;asciilifeform;or an upper-case 1367696;1452572617;mircea_popescu;why specifically "low". 1367697;1452572619;asciilifeform;indices make sense ~where defined~ 1367698;1452572634;mircea_popescu;why not (cool(aromatic(1)) 1367699;1452572636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because buncha medieval bozos decided they like small/big letter 1367700;1452572659;asciilifeform;because these are not meaningfully-toggleable properties of a character ? 1367701;1452572676;asciilifeform;break the thing into its proper subatomics. 1367702;1452572681;mircea_popescu;so do we have the complete set of "meaningfully-toggleable properties" of characters set in stone ? 1367703;1452572695;asciilifeform;at least for the chars a cultured man might use 1367704;1452572697;mircea_popescu;is greek low 0 equal to low greek 0 ? 1367705;1452572719;phf;welcome to unicode land 1367706;1452572724;asciilifeform;either true or an error and the machine kicks you for asking 1367707;1452572727;asciilifeform;pick. 1367708;1452572733;mircea_popescu;phf which is why i said, it's contrary to everything he was saying. 1367709;1452572738;asciilifeform;i don't see how. 1367710;1452572753;asciilifeform;unicode is an idiot ordering of EVERYTHING 1367711;1452572757;mircea_popescu;what's the uppercase of integral sign ? 1367712;1452572774;asciilifeform;itself. 1367713;1452572779;asciilifeform;thing about it 1367714;1452572786;mircea_popescu;what's the lowercase of the sum sign ? 1367715;1452572794;asciilifeform;(if you ask for uppercase(.......) for any .... that includes such a sign, what do you expect to see ? 1367716;1452572794;asciilifeform;) 1367717;1452572801;asciilifeform;same. 1367718;1452572810;asciilifeform;this is, again, consistent with sanity 1367719;1452572811;mircea_popescu;what happened to σ ? 1367720;1452572816;mircea_popescu;and for that matter ς ? 1367721;1452572820;asciilifeform;and you would set fire to a machine that behaved otherwise! 1367722;1452572821;mircea_popescu;(yes, greek sigma has two lowercases!) 1367723;1452572860;asciilifeform;they oughta be separate chars in alphabet then 1367724;1452572867;asciilifeform;if one must have'em both. 1367725;1452572868;mircea_popescu;but what of low ? 1367726;1452572872;mircea_popescu;low 1 0 ? 1367727;1452572895;mircea_popescu;well... tenser, said the tensor σ! 1367728;1452572899;asciilifeform;l0l!!1 1367729;1452572905;mod6;hah 1367730;1452572906;mircea_popescu;also, iirc ς is worth 200 in greek 1367731;1452572943;*;asciilifeform wonders if there are folks reading this on ascii terminals going 'wut' 1367732;1452572947;mircea_popescu;so logically, the tensor is the lowercase of the sum, and it's equal to two Cs 1367733;1452572960;mircea_popescu;i think we're close to a math breakthrough here. 1367734;1452572972;asciilifeform;now all we need is some meta-lsd to inject straight into my eyeball 1367735;1452572977;asciilifeform;so i can grasp. 1367736;1452573011;mircea_popescu;do you get a Σ to be the sum and a self-same Σ to be the uppercase sigma ? 1367737;1452573043;asciilifeform;connection from 186.137.7.31:48104 dropped (banned) << that banlist thing needs massage: why can same bugger come back 4x within the hour??!! 1367738;1452573050;asciilifeform;on both boxes, no less 1367739;1452573060;mircea_popescu;well do you actuallty ban or just bitcoind 1367740;1452573064;asciilifeform;the latter 1367741;1452573071;mircea_popescu;oh, how endearing. 1367742;1452573077;asciilifeform;ah iirc this is 'attempted connect' 1367743;1452573077;mircea_popescu;you think this shit works ? what are you, new ?! 1367744;1452573103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you have in yours, a shell callout to iptables ?!1 1367745;1452573108;asciilifeform;ick 1367746;1452573111;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1367747;1452573121;asciilifeform;and we barfed over nss!11 1367748;1452573133;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. 1367749;1452573156;trinque;gun to fire today, gun to fire tomorrow. 1367750;1452573217;asciilifeform;i've always wanted a '/dev/banhammer' 1367751;1452573231;asciilifeform;echo p.q.r.s > /dev/fuckyou 1367752;1452573250;asciilifeform;what happened to yoooooooneeex filoooosophy!111 1367753;1452573253;asciilifeform;simplicity. 1367754;1452573253;mircea_popescu;this is not a bad idea 1367755;1452573266;mircea_popescu;/dev/ded 1367756;1452573273;asciilifeform;/dev/sad. 1367757;1452573276;phf;there's probably /dev/ban on plan9 1367758;1452573277;trinque;socat is capable of such an abomination pretty easily 1367759;1452573284;asciilifeform;phf: quite likely! 1367760;1452573425;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367736 << btw lisp world actually is equipped to answer this in a non-retarded way: 1367761;1452573425;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 04:30:11; mircea_popescu: do you get a Σ to be the sum and a self-same Σ to be the uppercase sigma ? 1367762;1452573433;asciilifeform;they are 'eq' but not 'equal'. 1367763;1452573462;mircea_popescu;i don't see why you think this answer is not retarded. 1367764;1452573470;asciilifeform;because these are useful notions? 1367765;1452573477;asciilifeform;that i use every motherfuckin day? 1367766;1452573510;mircea_popescu;Tubro, the fat Panamanian God of Money is a useful notion 1367767;1452573513;asciilifeform;on my desk, two sheets of paper inscribed with the word 'alas' - 1367768;1452573515;asciilifeform;are eq 1367769;1452573517;asciilifeform;but not equal 1367770;1452573518;mircea_popescu;should it be in the lisp "repertoire" too ? 1367771;1452573521;asciilifeform;because they are not the SAME sheet 1367772;1452573546;asciilifeform;you see no difference between this and a random piece of excreta ? 1367773;1452573584;mircea_popescu;there is no actual meaning to proposing Σ-which-i-interpreted-as-sum and Σ-which-i-interpreted-as-plotin are somehow different in the "eq" manner but similar in the "equal" manner. 1367774;1452573593;mircea_popescu;because the computer is not in your fucking head. 1367775;1452573609;asciilifeform;if all you get is a Σ on paper - then, no 1367776;1452573616;mircea_popescu;a sign is a sign. 1367777;1452573625;asciilifeform;but mapping is not 1 to 1. 1367778;1452573626;mircea_popescu;it carries no meaning. 1367779;1452573642;mircea_popescu;attempting to make the sign carry your guts is not going to result in a functioning computer. 1367780;1452573655;asciilifeform;which is why we don't 1367781;1452573662;mircea_popescu;apparently we just think we don't. 1367782;1452573705;asciilifeform;as in the mircea_popescu> because capital alpha is A. example, 1367783;1452573719;asciilifeform;two different objects can render to same glyph 1367784;1452573722;phf;mircea_popescu: this a hypothetical mechanism you guys are discussing. this is not actually in lisp 1367785;1452573725;asciilifeform;because life suxx etc 1367786;1452573729;mircea_popescu;phf i know. 1367787;1452573761;mircea_popescu;but i think it's very instructive because i suspect we're uncovering a psychotron here. 1367788;1452573769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a matter of "glyph". A actually is both. 1367789;1452573797;mircea_popescu;it'[s not that "my girlfriendf" and "his wife" all "look like the same woman" 1367790;1452573800;mircea_popescu;you're fucking the same woman. 1367791;1452573828;asciilifeform;http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_eq.htm#eq vs http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_equal.htm#equal vs http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_eql.htm vs http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_bt_and.htm#bit-eqv vs http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/f_eq_sle.htm#EQ 1367792;1452573828;assbot;CLHS: Function EQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnJDnx ) 1367793;1452573829;assbot;CLHS: Function EQUAL ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnJDnF ) 1367794;1452573830;assbot;CLHS: Function EQL ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnJDUC ) 1367795;1452573830;assbot;CLHS: Function BIT-AND, BIT-ANDC1, BIT-ANDC2... ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnJDnJ ) 1367796;1452573831;assbot;CLHS: Function =, /=, <, >, <=, >= ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnJDUE ) 1367797;1452573838;phf;i think if my lisp rendered same character but claimed that they are not char=, i would be very unhappy 1367798;1452573843;asciilifeform;is quite certainly in lisp. 1367799;1452573863;asciilifeform;phf: apparently you don't greek enough... 1367800;1452573864;mircea_popescu;phf well if you have this tag-and-glyph duality you're wide fucking open to the issue. 1367801;1452573971;phf;you can't make any statements about chars using eq. eq is a special beast used to test ~von neumann~ identity. and all the comments in the spec are related to that. sometimes (eq 1 1) but (eq 123123 123123) is not 1367802;1452573999;phf;it's a totally technical low level detail for explicitly managing your memory, and speeding up operations 1367803;1452574019;phf;you can expect eq to compile to some asm level equality procedure 1367804;1452574020;mircea_popescu;or in a less charitable view, it's a half assed attempt to hand-gcc. 1367805;1452574043;phf;bringing this into char discussion makes no sense whatsoever because spec explicitly says you can't 1367806;1452574068;phf;mircea_popescu: correct 1367807;1452574070;asciilifeform;phf: my point was to illustrate the notion of meaningfully different concepts of equality-predicate 1367808;1452574081;mircea_popescu;it didn't work. 1367809;1452574083;asciilifeform;only a subset of which sanely applicable to characters 1367810;1452574256;asciilifeform;fact is, a system which tries to pretend that it makes sense to ask what A + ∀ is equal to, or even whether A > ∀, makes no more sense than one which tries to define the mass of the colour purple. 1367811;1452574304;asciilifeform;one which lets you programmatically specify an operation which yields A when given an ∀, is marginally saner 1367812;1452574349;asciilifeform;but in point of fact this actually reduces to the naming problem ! 1367813;1452574353;asciilifeform;from this morning ! 1367814;1452574389;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366258 << thread 1367815;1452574389;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 13:49:26; mircea_popescu: naming is by its nature this : that there will be a group in power, allocating the names, and everyone else can go suck it. 1367816;1452574413;asciilifeform;arguably 'how to draw an alpha' is a a name-problem question 1367817;1452574433;asciilifeform;as is the answer to arbitrary crapolade, e.g., whether A > ∀. 1367818;1452574460;asciilifeform;what would make sense is for folks plugged into a mircea_popescutron to get the requisite answer when they ask it 1367819;1452574488;asciilifeform;see my ancient idiocy, http://kyristor.com 1367820;1452574489;assbot;kyristor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OnKvZl ) 1367821;1452574517;*;asciilifeform to bed. 1367822;1452574564;mircea_popescu;at the rate this discussion is going, the alt-"lisp" will need a pun function which tells you if the string was used in pun. 1367823;1452574619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00050643 = 3.5197 BTC [+] 1367824;1452574753;mircea_popescu;but as far the machine is concerned, there is no difference between sum-sigma and letter-sigma. nor any meaning to any symbol. and so the whole "oh we gotta have universal quantifier as a symbol" is to my eyes an exercise of naming the function "understanding" so as to get ai. 1367825;1452574770;mircea_popescu;the computer ain't working any better because it "knows" supposedly that ∀. and neither is anything else. 1367826;1452574782;mircea_popescu;you can say "for any x" just as well as you can say " ∀ x". 1367827;1452574844;mircea_popescu;"∀ x ∈ R ∃! y ∈ R ∋ x + y = 0" offers exactly no benefit over "for any real number there exists another real number so that the two add to 0". 1367828;1452574854;mircea_popescu;not even of the "impress chicks" variety. 1367829;1452574872;mircea_popescu;there IS however a fucking marked cost. and it's of the "how do we make colored unicode people" type. 1367830;1452575098;phf;i will support cyrillic in my lisp,\ only because,\ it was used to write by lenin --mayakovsky 1367831;1452575256;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm off. laters! 1367832;1452576196;trinque;mircea_popescu │ "∀ x ∈ R ∃! y ∈ R ∋ x + y = 0" offers exactly no benefit over "for any real number there exists another real number so that the two add to 0". << ftr I am precisely the african that would benefit from the math textbook written in *only* this manner. 1367833;1452576502;trinque;why create syntactic barriers to understanding when you can just kill the folks you don't want in your math club, anyway 1367834;1452576632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050643 = 1.8738 BTC [+] 1367835;1452577343;pete_dushenski;she had logs for days 1367836;1452577346;punkman;dis thread 1367837;1452577361;punkman;good morning pete 1367838;1452577375;pete_dushenski;good evening punk :) 1367839;1452577647;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367722 << and it looks super weird if you use the wrong one 1367840;1452577647;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 04:27:01; mircea_popescu: (yes, greek sigma has two lowercases!) 1367841;1452577669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00050473 = 4.164 BTC [-] {2} 1367842;1452577682;pete_dushenski;"GM has put a 60-kWh lithium-ion battery that weighs just just 960 pounds into the floor of the Bolt. As previously announced, the Bolt's 288 cells will be able to go over 200 miles on a full charge. That full charge takes nine hours on a Level 2 EVSE thanks to the onboard 7.2-kW charger. Of course, a full charge won't be that important most days, which is why GM says that you can get 50 miles of range in "less 1367843;1452577682;pete_dushenski;than two hours" on Level 2" << numbers for (playing) Bingo(Boingo) 1367844;1452577685;punkman;and it does happen that something was uppercase and shitty software lowercases the sigma wrong 1367845;1452577898;punkman;even if you hate the Unicode folks, they have actually codified a lot of these things and it mostly seems to work 1367846;1452577913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00050283 = 10.9114 BTC [-] {2} 1367847;1452578031;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366094 << the internet knows no limits ! 1367848;1452578031;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 06:36:31; BingoBoingo: copypaste: I suspect the reason you dislike pete_dushenski aping trilema is he comes from boring Canada and his cool factor and empire potential are limited by that. 1367849;1452578106;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Face it. Canada impaired your maximum potential to be interesting at this time. 1367850;1452578133;pete_dushenski;yes, i shoulda been born in riyyad 1367851;1452578137;punkman;you just need to kill more people pete_dushenski 1367852;1452578158;BingoBoingo;Or move to Cameroon, or Cambodia 1367853;1452578178;pete_dushenski;punkman: if only to balance the life i'm adding to the planet. 1367854;1452578190;punkman;"carbon neutral" ! 1367855;1452578214;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: at least i don't live under clitler (if still natoreich) 1367856;1452578238;BingoBoingo;What about your new PMS in charge? 1367857;1452578238;pete_dushenski;punkman: i'm a greenie like that, what can i say 1367858;1452578363;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: the kid knows his ashtanga from his saatva and not a lot besides. trudeau's as innocent as a butterfly, which is why chix dig him and dudes couldn't care less. he's nowhere near as much of a strong retard as the commie premier cunt running alberta for the next 3.5 years 1367859;1452578394;BingoBoingo;You could give oregon or nevada a try 1367860;1452578471;pete_dushenski;though in all seriousness, if the dumb bitches pretending to be 'drop-in daycares' and 'nannies' don't start returning phone calls and text in a timely manner, IF AT ALL, i'm a seriously cut their useless lives short. 1367861;1452578539;pete_dushenski;some fat needs to be trimmed around here, whether that idjits going back to wherever the fuck they came from (ftr no one is "from" alberta) or they can learn that business isn't this thing where money and clients rain down from the sky and it's all you can do to beat them back at the door 1367862;1452578556;punkman;http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1231.html they are catching on 1367863;1452578594;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: you could try iqaluit too. nice and quiet there. 1367864;1452578620;deedbot-;[Qntra] Intel Skylake Brings Optimized #ROWHAMMER Exploit - http://qntra.net/2016/01/intel-skylake-brings-optimized-rowhammer-exploit/ 1367865;1452578637;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Is there and armed insurrection in iqaluit? 1367866;1452578648;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367566 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115740 ? 1367867;1452578648;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 03:58:23; *: mircea_popescu gives up in frustration. if anyone recalls the damned thing say. 1367868;1452578648;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 13:25:03; mircea_popescu: "Put another way, grep sells out its worst case (lots of partial matches) to make the best case (few partial matches) go faster. How treacherous! As this realization dawns on me, the room seemed to grow dim and slip sideways. I look up at the Ultimate Unix Geek, spinning slowly in his padded chair, and I hear his cackle "old age and treachery...", and in his flickering CRT there is a face reflected, 1367869;1452578692;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] The Monotonically-Increasing Fucked-up-ed-ness of Apple Software (or, how to sync your contacts to the iPhone without exhuming Steve Himself) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/11_the-monotonically-increasing-fucked-up-ed-ness-of-apple-software-or-how-to-sync-your-contacts-to-the-iphone-without-exhuming-steve-himself.html 1367870;1452578725;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: aha. an update from the glitzy trenches. cheers 1367871;1452578736;punkman;BingoBoingo: "In spite of supposing" maybe "expectations" 1367872;1452578768;BingoBoingo;punkman: fxd to "marketing 1367873;1452578774;punkman;heh 1367874;1452578846;pete_dushenski;"(no, not using an iPhone of the most recent vintage is not an option)" << because ? 1367875;1452578871;pete_dushenski;if 5, why not 6 ? 1367876;1452578988;pete_dushenski;"For all that it appears to be a JS abomination running on the iPhone, the Google Mail application routinely trounces the Apple Mail application in searching, rendering, speed, and more or less everything one would want from an email application on the phone." << beats desktop (eg. thunderbird) handily as well. web-gmail just... wins. 1367877;1452579066;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: no mention of ios or osx versions in that piece. presumably this matters, no ? 1367878;1452579109;pete_dushenski;i'm probably not the only one who's curious about the software versions 1367879;1452579127;ben_vulpes;if vcard import breaks i want to hear about it. 1367880;1452579131;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/U6151s.jpg 1367881;1452579132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjiOGW ) 1367882;1452579134;ben_vulpes;but i don't have a comment section, won't. 1367883;1452579184;ben_vulpes;optionality left as exercise. 1367884;1452579220;*;ben_vulpes did not have wordspace in the above piece to explain the dev entanglement hat-trick steve pulled 1367885;1452579239;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: mega-lol 1367886;1452579310;ben_vulpes;man these greentexts do not even resemble those of my childhood 1367887;1452579313;ben_vulpes;buncha kids 1367888;1452579315;ben_vulpes;my lawn etc 1367889;1452579335;mats;why not just modify 'CLFLUSH' to do the same thing as 'CLFLUSHOPT' 1367890;1452579349;mats;i don't get it, why another instruction 1367891;1452579349;ben_vulpes;nary a walk the dinosaur in sight 1367892;1452579438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4421 @ 0.00050473 = 2.2314 BTC [+] {2} 1367893;1452579438;pete_dushenski;for my part on the phone-comp sync experiments, i'm pleased to report that the razr syncs like a charm via 10.6 'isync' once contacts are moved from sim storage to phone storage. the catch being that your next phone would also have to sync using 'isync' or else you'll have to switch the contact back to sim storage before changing phones. 1367894;1452579483;pete_dushenski;but since no one else on god's green earth actually uses this set-up, it's probably a moot point 1367895;1452579485;ben_vulpes;my personal phone goal is an engineering team that is on call so that i don't have to have a phone 1367896;1452579505;BingoBoingo; i don't get it, why another instruction << Because Intel 1367897;1452579535;BingoBoingo;How can Apple buy Skylake for Macbook if not new instructions with -opt appended 1367898;1452579556;mats;also, you misspelled the instruction in qntra piece 1367899;1452579612;BingoBoingo;I left out the L or did I do that and need to capitalize the whole thing? 1367900;1452579621;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mircea_popescu "acorss" lurking in your last piece 1367901;1452579621;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1367902;1452579629;mats;left out the L 1367903;1452579674;BingoBoingo;fxd 1367904;1452579740;ben_vulpes;whoa whereza trinque 1367905;1452579890;BingoBoingo;Other Skylake lulz if someone (cough, cough, mats) wants to throw together a larger Intel and skylake suck piece http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/01/11/2049209/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads 1367906;1452579893;assbot;Intel Skylake Bug Causes PCs To Freeze During Complex Workloads - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjjPyQ ) 1367907;1452579910;BingoBoingo;"Prime95, which has historically been used to benchmark and stress-test computers, uses Fast Fourier Transforms to multiply extremely large numbers. A particular exponent size, 14,942,209, has been found to cause the system crashes." 1367908;1452580245;punkman;http://danluu.com/cpu-bugs/ 1367909;1452580246;assbot;We saw some really bad Intel CPU bugs in 2015, and we should expect to see more in the future ... ( http://bit.ly/1mRYPSL ) 1367910;1452580392;punkman;BingoBoingo: lulzy oregon standoff bits here https://twitter.com/amandapeacher 1367911;1452580394;assbot;Amanda Peacher (@amandapeacher) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjkCQo ) 1367912;1452580471;punkman;"County Judge Steve Grasty says he intends to bill Ammon Bundy for $60k to $75k in daily county costs due to occupation." 1367913;1452580702;BingoBoingo;ty punkman 1367914;1452580834;BingoBoingo;In other news Alabama won the National Championship with an onside kick. Anyone looking for the video is advised to find the Russian audio commentators for maximum excitement, Roll Tide. 1367915;1452580841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00050787 = 5.9675 BTC [+] 1367916;1452581173;punkman;"Roll Tide is the rallying cry for the Alabama Crimson Tide athletic teams. The trademark to the phrase is claimed by the University of Alabama, with licensing and marketing by The Collegiate Licensing Company." 1367917;1452581270;BingoBoingo;I still have no idea why their mascot is an elephant 1367918;1452581326;punkman;maybe The Collegiate Licensing Company said elephant would sell well 1367919;1452581374;BingoBoingo;Could be? 1367920;1452581543;BingoBoingo;ALSO LOOK AT google breaking the law in the united states by distributing this: https://archive.is/xs37a 1367921;1452581544;assbot;The Royal Bank of Scotland plc - Stabilisation notice | Business Wire ... ( http://bit.ly/1mS10FZ ) 1367922;1452581817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00050794 = 8.889 BTC [+] {2} 1367923;1452581959;punkman;!up Tomiii 1367924;1452582062;Tomiii;Hello, does anyone know how you make a bunch of GPG private keys from a single Seed? like you can do with bitcon wallet? 1367925;1452582091;Tomiii;or also, how to make a "brain wallet" for a single GPG privkey, or even a Seed? 1367926;1452582149;Tomiii;http://dankaminsky.com/2012/01/03/phidelius/ 1367927;1452582150;assbot;Phidelius: Constructing Asymmetric Keypairs From Mere Passwords For Fun and PAKE | Dan Kaminsky's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1mS23Wi ) 1367928;1452582154;BingoBoingo;That sounds like a very bad idea 1367929;1452582190;deedbot-;[Qntra] RBS Supports Qntra's Dire Predictions For Fiat In 2016 - http://qntra.net/2016/01/rbs-supports-qntras-dire-predictions-for-fiat-in-2016/ 1367930;1452582191;Tomiii;BingoBoingo: if you can do it with bitcoin privatekeys, why not GPG keys? 1367931;1452582205;BingoBoingo;Very different kinds of math involved 1367932;1452582223;Tomiii;BingoBoingo: people said the same thing about determinstic wallets in bitcoin (at first), but now they are pretty popular 1367933;1452582277;BingoBoingo;Generating GPG keys that don't suck is hard because RSA encryption is decrypted by division. Too easy to divide, falls. ECDSA in Bitcoin gets more breathing room for now because not as straight forward. 1367934;1452582280;Tomiii;pretty funny that PGP is lagging behind bitcoin, when it had like 30-year head-start 1367935;1452582287;BingoBoingo;It 1367936;1452582319;BingoBoingo;is completley different types of math. Factoring versus elliptics curves involving lines and shit. 1367937;1452582351;BingoBoingo;If one your your GPG key's factors is a low prime like 17 or 23, you're fucked. 1367938;1452582385;Tomiii;BingoBoingo: o i c. so you can do it with ECC keys in GPG 2.1? 1367939;1452582419;BingoBoingo;Why would anyone use GPG2, or ECC when RSA is available 1367940;1452582419;danielpbarron;can I encrypt a message to your bitcoin private key? 1367941;1452582456;BingoBoingo;Tomiii: It should be possible in theory, but why seems iffy. 1367942;1452582459;danielpbarron;"If it's worth upgrading, it wasn't worth using in the first place." (TM) 1367943;1452582485;Tomiii;BingoBoingo: well, determinstic keys, and much smaller keys. possibly as small as a bitcoin address. 1367944;1452582488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26909 @ 0.00050575 = 13.6092 BTC [-] {2} 1367945;1452582497;punkman;Tomiii: here, but probably not a great idea https://github.com/arttukasvio/deterministic 1367946;1452582499;assbot;arttukasvio/deterministic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1mS2HDa ) 1367947;1452582513;Tomiii;BingoBoingo: what are the downsides of ECC in gpg? 1367948;1452582550;BingoBoingo;Tomiii: Well, the general downsides of ECC. At least in Bitcoin the public key isn't even public unless an address has spent a transaction. 1367949;1452582571;BingoBoingo;RSA offers a longer hisotry of being studied and attacked 1367950;1452582587;BingoBoingo;But generally when it comes to keys, HUGE is good 1367951;1452582654;*;pete_dushenski to rest his weary eyes 1367952;1452582663;Tomiii;thanks punkman, nice link 1367953;1452582805;BingoBoingo;Note for everyone submitting stories about fiat matters for Qntra in 2016. "Sorry for your loss" is a welcome and encouraged way to end a piece. 1367954;1452582976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25846 @ 0.00051129 = 13.2148 BTC [+] {3} 1367955;1452584135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3230 @ 0.00051207 = 1.654 BTC [+] {3} 1367956;1452584218;ben_vulpes;> altcoins 1367957;1452584291;ben_vulpes;what on earth has happened to qntra 1367958;1452584296;ben_vulpes;cazalla went awol 1367959;1452584301;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo went sober 1367960;1452584309;ben_vulpes;jokes through the roof 1367961;1452584390;ben_vulpes;in case its not clear BingoBoingo i'm a fan of your work 1367962;1452584537;ben_vulpes;"fuck it why even try" << motherfucking gold 1367963;1452585111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00050125 = 4.3108 BTC [-] {2} 1367964;1452586026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005072 = 1.5723 BTC [+] {2} 1367965;1452586349;punkman;https://github.com/JosephSWilliams/urcd 1367966;1452586350;assbot;JosephSWilliams/urcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rz31nT ) 1367967;1452590723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00050447 = 14.7305 BTC [-] {2} 1367968;1452590906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20136 @ 0.00050122 = 10.0926 BTC [-] {3} 1367969;1452593407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00050104 = 6.3632 BTC [-] {2} 1367970;1452594505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00050559 = 6.9771 BTC [+] 1367971;1452594871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00050024 = 3.5267 BTC [-] {2} 1367972;1452595176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44487 @ 0.00049902 = 22.1999 BTC [-] {4} 1367973;1452597616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00049933 = 8.7133 BTC [+] {2} 1367974;1452602251;mircea_popescu; RSA offers a longer hisotry of being studied and attacked << more importantly, it actually fits in head. a 12 yo's head. 1367975;1452602252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00050523 = 10.9635 BTC [+] {2} 1367976;1452602258;mircea_popescu;ecc has yet to have been fit in any heads. 1367977;1452602279;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367965 << this is actually a mega-l0l - a virtually 100% gossipd WITH 100% NSA CRYPTO 1367978;1452602279;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 08:12:29; punkman: https://github.com/JosephSWilliams/urcd 1367979;1452602301;asciilifeform;i woke up and read the docz, almost fell out of bed: 1367980;1452602309;asciilifeform;'CRYPTO_SECRETBOX is a combination of poly1305 (MAC) and xsalsa20 (stream cipher) that is used to encrypt the URCLINE. The taia96n label, CMD, and random bytes are used as the NONCE, and the secret key is chosen prior to encryption.' 1367981;1452602317;asciilifeform;did not see any reason to read beyond this. 1367982;1452602318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lemme say this to you : 1367983;1452602321;mircea_popescu;"pătratul lungimii ipotenuzei este egal cu suma pătratelor catetelor" 1367984;1452602324;mircea_popescu;what did i say ? 1367985;1452602369;asciilifeform;pythagor ? 1367986;1452602383;mircea_popescu;aha. 1367987;1452602406;asciilifeform;and yes, we know that it worked for the greeks. 1367988;1452602414;mircea_popescu;now what's the symbol for hypotenuse ? or do we not know this exists. 1367989;1452602415;asciilifeform;they were not trying to build 5,000-story towers! 1367990;1452602434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will note THEY ALSO DID NOT NEED TO. 1367991;1452602438;asciilifeform;no symbol because the greeks were not averse to actually drawing the triangle. 1367992;1452602445;asciilifeform;but go and draw a hilbert space. 1367993;1452602449;mircea_popescu;don't idly suppose you're better than the greeks just because you have more maggots eating more cans of spam. 1367994;1452602465;asciilifeform;me - no. gauss - motherfucking yes. 1367995;1452602482;mircea_popescu;gauss wrote his shit out. review the notes. 1367996;1452602495;mircea_popescu;so did newton. so did all of them. so did fucking feynman which is WHY youadmire him 1367997;1452602502;mircea_popescu;not coincidental to the admiration, but integral. 1367998;1452602509;asciilifeform;feynman used standard mathematical notation. 1367999;1452602522;asciilifeform;and yes, explained the basics, he was a teacher ! 1368000;1452602523;mircea_popescu;he reads it out half the fucking time 1368001;1452602545;asciilifeform;but note that he did not try 'let's use only ascii for all of mathematics' 1368002;1452602553;mircea_popescu;the difference between a thinking man and a hack is that a hack goes "hey, i can't explain this without a blackboard" 1368003;1452602569;mircea_popescu;he did, yes, but i won't count it because at his time (40s) he had no other options. 1368004;1452602591;asciilifeform;he had the option of typesetting on a 'selectric' and having that go straight to press 1368005;1452602596;mircea_popescu;his work, on the machines, is actually quite lispy. in the ONLY UPPERCASE EXISTS sense of lispy 1368006;1452602597;asciilifeform;as many poor profs did 1368007;1452602604;mircea_popescu;he was an actual researcher. 1368008;1452602610;mircea_popescu;had to run the machines to do things. 1368009;1452602634;asciilifeform;incidentally, serious researchers often ended up doing the selectric-to-web-press thing, on account of sheer hurry 1368010;1452602647;asciilifeform;BUT if the product was any good, it always got redone and typeset properly 1368011;1452602662;asciilifeform;i wouldn't buy an ascii-art edition of feynman. 1368012;1452602704;mircea_popescu;so let it be said : that alphabet can NAME way more things than your symbolics can ever dream to represent. and for that matter, that from the multi-millenarian history of world culture, alphabetic notation does indeed convey richer, more numerous ideas in less space than hyeroglypghics do. which is why we fucked the chinese, and why egypt is muslim now. 1368013;1452602722;mircea_popescu; BUT if the product was any good, it always got redone and typeset properly << "if the product were any good it was always mass produced". hurr. 1368014;1452602760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alphabet != 26 idiot letters 1368015;1452602775;asciilifeform;and most cultures were mathematically zeroes. 1368016;1452602804;asciilifeform;until some folks broke free of the must-verbalize crapolade. 1368017;1452602852;mircea_popescu;looky : neither the egyptians nor the greeks were mathematically zeroes. 1368018;1452602868;mircea_popescu;the alphabetic greeks overtook the hyeroglyphic egyptioans. for this reason and this alone. 1368019;1452602874;mircea_popescu;mujch in the manner europe overtook china. 1368020;1452602877;asciilifeform;i get it, there is a fashion in the derp army of going around and 'i'm a visual thinker!11111'. this changes nothing. there are napoleons in your local loony bin, does not change the historic fact of napoleon. 1368021;1452602881;mircea_popescu;only 2000 years earlier. 1368022;1452602897;mircea_popescu;but so far we doth not even agree on the historical facts 1368023;1452602906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neither had effective long division. 1368024;1452602913;mircea_popescu;the greeks had pi. 1368025;1452602914;asciilifeform;~on account of notation~, yes. 1368026;1452602918;mircea_popescu;the egyptians had... unusable pi. 1368027;1452602921;asciilifeform;go sail atlantic with pi. 1368028;1452602927;mircea_popescu;long division bitch! 1368029;1452602930;mircea_popescu;words have meanings! 1368030;1452602934;mircea_popescu;even if symbols don't. 1368031;1452602989;*;asciilifeform bbl, must meet the party's five-year plan 1368032;1452603019;mircea_popescu;萬里! 1368033;1452603268;mircea_popescu;"the square of the length of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the square of the catheti", for the curious. kids the world over (in those places with an actual culture, as opposed to hunter-gatherer societies of primitives) actually learn this by heart, and it's one of the first steps on the stair they ever meet. 1368034;1452603634;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski actually speaking of pankkake, he did resolve http://trilema.com/2014/test-de-cultura-termodinamica/#comment-104245 1368035;1452603635;assbot;Test de cultura termodinamica on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kb0zvM ) 1368036;1452603635;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368037;1452604448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00049855 = 6.7554 BTC [-] 1368038;1452604692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14077 @ 0.00049819 = 7.013 BTC [-] {2} 1368039;1452605449;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're taking. 1368040;1452605449;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 05:28:22; trinque: why create syntactic barriers to understanding when you can just kill the folks you don't want in your math club, anyway 1368041;1452605472;mircea_popescu;do you mean "this" manner, as in the latter ? or actually "that" manner, as in the former. 1368042;1452605563;mircea_popescu;"f course, a full charge won't be that important most days," << god fucking help them once memory effects and other such things start taking a toll. the full prospect should read " As previously announced, the Bolt's 288 cells will be able to go over 200 miles on a full charge about 20 or so times. Good fucking luck with your new disposable car!" 1368043;1452605580;mircea_popescu;but hey, it ain't fraud if usg does it, right ? 1368044;1452605634;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367845 << i don't hate the unicode folk. i hate the notion that we'd include all this in the first place. once we decide "we need it", i'd actually prefer unicode to any adhoc herpderping. 1368045;1452605634;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 05:51:38; punkman: even if you hate the Unicode folks, they have actually codified a lot of these things and it mostly seems to work 1368046;1452605781;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society. 1368047;1452605781;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 06:02:19; pete_dushenski: some fat needs to be trimmed around here, whether that idjits going back to wherever the fuck they came from (ftr no one is "from" alberta) or they can learn that business isn't this thing where money and clients rain down from the sky and it's all you can do to beat them back at the door 1368048;1452605814;mircea_popescu;"i know... we'll offshore everything to china and live off a '''service economy'''. then we won't bother getting off the couch. win-win!" 1368049;1452605844;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367866 << yes! love ya. 1368050;1452605844;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 06:04:08; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367566 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115740 ? 1368051;1452606573;mircea_popescu;lol ben_vulpes that shit is so retarded. 1368052;1452606579;mircea_popescu;why even bother with the phone after that ? 1368053;1452606705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00049855 = 7.5281 BTC [+] 1368054;1452606765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367880 << eh gtfo. if the police shows up and does anything above and beyond fining the shop for spurious call they're remiss. 1368055;1452606765;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 06:12:11; BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/U6151s.jpg 1368056;1452606816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367895 << o hey check it out, you aspire to be me! 1368057;1452606816;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 06:18:05; ben_vulpes: my personal phone goal is an engineering team that is on call so that i don't have to have a phone 1368058;1452607070;mircea_popescu;"Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher 11h11 hours ago Burns mayor to Bundys: "Our community does not want you here." Big applause. #Oregonstandoff111 retweets 118 likes " "Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher 11h11 hours ago Packed house for tonight's community mtg in Burns about the #Oregonstandoff. " << yeah, i'm sure it was packed. all with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366965 1368059;1452607070;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 19:04:25; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0A0WRTM << there, consider that. 1368060;1452607118;mircea_popescu;i have absolutely no idea what these bundy dudes must be thinking to elevate the usg charade into relevancy through participating. but then again... can't trust one to think that's not got a pubkey, can you. 1368061;1452607225;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367924 << this is a pretty stupid idea. 1368062;1452607225;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 07:01:02; Tomiii: Hello, does anyone know how you make a bunch of GPG private keys from a single Seed? like you can do with bitcon wallet? 1368063;1452607265;mircea_popescu;"In connection with the offer of the above securities, the Stabilising Manager(s) may over-allot the securities or effect transactions with a view to supporting the market price of the securities at a level higher than that which might otherwise prevail. " 1368064;1452607266;mircea_popescu;aaaahahahaha 1368065;1452607289;mircea_popescu;"we're into fraud!" 1368066;1452607368;mircea_popescu;!rated tomiii 1368067;1452607368;assbot;tomiii is not registered in WoT. 1368068;1452607410;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367960 << a board meeting decided to make the qntra good. 1368069;1452607410;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 07:38:29; ben_vulpes: jokes through the roof 1368070;1452607594;shinohai;!gettrust Tomii 1368071;1452607594;assbot;Tomii is not registered in WoT. 1368072;1452607603;shinohai;>.> 1368073;1452610365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050587 = 1.8717 BTC [+] {3} 1368074;1452610975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7187 @ 0.0005072 = 3.6452 BTC [+] {2} 1368075;1452612073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00050413 = 6.9066 BTC [-] {2} 1368076;1452615154;punkman;http://40.media.tumblr.com/9d6a73ffb26eb9f08a1c9904f0a00613/tumblr_nzzdl2uI381ttmx9fo1_1280.jpg 1368077;1452615155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1mSPgCV ) 1368078;1452615184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00050661 = 1.4438 BTC [+] 1368079;1452615194;mircea_popescu;am i missing something ? 1368080;1452615399;punkman;probably not 1368081;1452615552;punkman;https://github.com/ssbc/docs another gossipd 1368082;1452615553;assbot;ssbc/docs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1mSPKsI ) 1368083;1452616054;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1368084;1452616080;ascii_butugychag;'For private sharing, Scuttlebot uses libsodium to encrypt confidential log-entries.' 1368085;1452616084;ascii_butugychag;ahahahaha 1368086;1452616100;ascii_butugychag;betcha there will be 1,001 usg gossipd. 1368087;1452616122;ascii_butugychag;the folks writing those, are not doing it on the train to/from day job. 1368088;1452616240;mircea_popescu;this is like saying "women doing a shitty job fucking are doing it in the bedroom" 1368089;1452616242;mircea_popescu;yes, they are. 1368090;1452616363;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368044 << i would much like to attend a concert hall directed by mircea_popescu. understand, just to watch the faces of the musicians when they open their scores and discover, instead of musical notation, 'do re mi.....' x 100,001 !1 1368091;1452616363;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 13:33:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367845 << i don't hate the unicode folk. i hate the notion that we'd include all this in the first place. once we decide "we need it", i'd actually prefer unicode to any adhoc herpderping. 1368092;1452616380;mircea_popescu;!up psztorc 1368093;1452616398;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i direct my concers by frowning. 1368094;1452616416;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368042 << li poly batt. has no memory effect. but what it does have is rapid cycle wear (and evens shelf rot) 1368095;1452616416;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 13:32:43; mircea_popescu: "f course, a full charge won't be that important most days," << god fucking help them once memory effects and other such things start taking a toll. the full prospect should read " As previously announced, the Bolt's 288 cells will be able to go over 200 miles on a full charge about 20 or so times. Good fucking luck with your new disposable car!" 1368096;1452616419;mircea_popescu;and if ytou think anyone reads those fucking things while being directed... 1368097;1452616423;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: l0l!11 1368098;1452616452;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368060 << aha. see also 'isis' etc. 1368099;1452616452;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 13:58:38; mircea_popescu: i have absolutely no idea what these bundy dudes must be thinking to elevate the usg charade into relevancy through participating. but then again... can't trust one to think that's not got a pubkey, can you. 1368100;1452616466;ascii_butugychag;no pubkey? no soul. 1368101;1452616481;mircea_popescu;"the lord doesn't know of you" 1368102;1452616489;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368063 << wai wut?! srsly? just like that, public confession ? 1368103;1452616489;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 14:01:05; mircea_popescu: "In connection with the offer of the above securities, the Stabilising Manager(s) may over-allot the securities or effect transactions with a view to supporting the market price of the securities at a level higher than that which might otherwise prevail. " 1368104;1452616554;ascii_butugychag;no amount of 'will!11111', virility, non-pencildickery, counts for ~shit~ if you have no soul. beasts of the motherfucking field, the lot of'em. 1368105;1452616580;ascii_butugychag;wild boar builds nothing. 1368106;1452616622;ascii_butugychag;(he has the virtue of not building towers of own shit, like farm swine, but that's the beginning and end of it) 1368107;1452616831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3712 @ 0.00050653 = 1.8802 BTC [-] {2} 1368108;1452616892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50038 @ 0.00050119 = 25.0785 BTC [-] {4} 1368109;1452617310;adlai;clef notation is worse than useless, because it sparks endless bikeshedding about whether E sharp "ever is or could be equal to" F 1368110;1452617367;BingoBoingo; in case its not clear BingoBoingo i'm a fan of your work << ty ben_vulpes 1368111;1452617372;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368096 << fwiw this is how movie scores are recorded 1368112;1452617372;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:33:39; mircea_popescu: and if ytou think anyone reads those fucking things while being directed... 1368113;1452617401;adlai;the highest per-minute income for a serious 'session musician' is their sightreading ability 1368114;1452617448;adlai;bonus points if they can sight-transpose... triple bonus if they can do it in the direction unnatural for their instrument's historic bias 1368115;1452617501;adlai;eg, ask a trumpet player to transpose to G sharp 1368116;1452617624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14999 @ 0.00050364 = 7.5541 BTC [+] {2} 1368117;1452617662;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1368118;1452617673;thestringpuller;Live from the labor camp as wild asciilifeform appears. 1368119;1452617690;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368109 << adlai is a concert musician ? plays music from a score every day of the week ? 1368120;1452617690;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:48:30; adlai: clef notation is worse than useless, because it sparks endless bikeshedding about whether E sharp "ever is or could be equal to" F 1368121;1452617723;ascii_butugychag;or simply derping about, prescribing tools for folks who actually ~do~, as if proposing stalls for cattle ? 1368122;1452617737;thestringpuller;LOL ascii_butugychag sounds like my piano teacher! (who is also russian). "Who needs score? Play jazz learn from memory" 1368123;1452617752;ascii_butugychag;who needs the piano 1368124;1452617754;ascii_butugychag;play in the air. 1368125;1452617756;ascii_butugychag;aha 1368126;1452617760;shinohai;! 1368127;1452617761;ascii_butugychag;play own arse, fart 1368128;1452617820;thestringpuller;from my studies, I thought that jazz musicians routinely passed down songs via audition rather than sight (via score). 1368129;1452617831;psztorc;So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow. 1368130;1452617845;psztorc;Very interesting that you are talking about music theory. 1368131;1452617862;thestringpuller;it wasn't until someone was bored enough to write the thing down that you got Fake Books and stuff of the "American Song Book" 1368132;1452617867;*;adlai has probably spent more hours playing music than writing lisp, although the trends seem headed for a reversal in a couple years 1368133;1452617894;ascii_butugychag;psztorc: see http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis 1368134;1452617896;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7GSpQ ) 1368135;1452617912;adlai;thestringpuller: compare to shakuhachi tradition, where a song isn't "yours" until you've a) tweaked out your own version, and b) taught it to your students 1368136;1452617914;psztorc;I've read it, of course. 1368137;1452617927;psztorc;I just expected something a little more dramatic, I guess. 1368138;1452617959;BingoBoingo; << li poly batt. has no memory effect. but what it does have is rapid cycle wear (and evens shelf rot) << /me seriously interested on data on catalytic caps for FeNi batteries, for 2025 wizard tower 1368139;1452617974;ascii_butugychag;psztorc: 'dramatic' is not when the rockets go up, but when they come down. 1368140;1452618032;psztorc;Maybe they're very quiet when they take off. 1368141;1452618035;psztorc;: ) 1368142;1452618057;thestringpuller;i can confirm from my experience with kerbal space program, it's much more dramatic reentering the atmospher than leaving it 1368143;1452618108;mats;http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/11/isis-burns-fighters-alive-for-letting-ramadi-fall.html hue 1368144;1452618109;assbot;ISIS burns fighters alive for letting Ramadi fall | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONxbRB ) 1368145;1452618112;BingoBoingo; So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow. << Where does this spz come from? I just woke up. 1368146;1452618211;psztorc;According to a reliable friend, they already have 40% committed, and according to a different friend, the Chinese miners will agree to join the 40%. 1368147;1452618214;adlai;psztorc: i'm more interested in measuring the seismic trembles as miners agonize over raising their soft limit past 1MB... ie, being the guinea pig that expends their own hashpower-hours to verify whether or not it's all a fluffy bluff 1368148;1452618224;ascii_butugychag;не шагу назад (тм) (р) 1368149;1452618239;adlai;!up psztorc 1368150;1452618261;psztorc;https://bitcoinclassic.com/ 1368151;1452618262;assbot;Bitcoin Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7IjEK ) 1368152;1452618266;BingoBoingo;psztorc: Mebbe this reliable friend would be interested in an interview? 1368153;1452618270;adlai;"hard limit" = MAX_BLOCK_SIZE === "I don't accept a block larger than X", soft limit = relevant only for miners === "I produce blocks up to X" 1368154;1452618287;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPhFWHJsgkc hue hue 1368155;1452618288;assbot;Operativo "Cisne negro". - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Ipw5 ) 1368156;1452618297;psztorc;I am aware of the relative lack-of-influence of miners in this case. 1368157;1452618309;punkman;o hey there's gavin in dev list 1368158;1452618310;psztorc;I bring it up because it is in contrast to XT, which no one really liked. 1368159;1452618316;mats;alleged raid against 'el chapo' 1368160;1452618321;psztorc;This has two larges exchanges as well. 1368161;1452618324;shinohai;Goddamnit, can Gavin Andresen make up his mind what he wants? 1368162;1452618335;*;adlai should maybe have used Y for the soft limit example; these are different parameters, and until miners start wasting their own money to back up these claims, the claims might as well be plaintext on a webpage for all Bitcoin cares 1368163;1452618342;mats;1/10 breach 1368164;1452618411;ascii_butugychag;folks who want to convert their btc into a usg-alt that mircea_popescu will sell 1,000,000 of for a penny each the day of the phork, can go ahead any time... 1368165;1452618426;ascii_butugychag;(see the 'missile' essay) 1368166;1452618444;psztorc;BingoBoingo: you see, that's the thing when it comes to death threats, though. 1368167;1452618513;adlai;psztorc: out of curiosity, did anything ever come of plans to build a market for exchanging such coins? rather than manually arbitraging between businesses on either side 1368168;1452618551;ascii_butugychag;adlai: there is no shortage of places to trade crackpot alts 1368169;1452618557;ascii_butugychag;what's one more. 1368170;1452618567;psztorc;The plan was to rush out a tiny version of Truthcoin/Hivemind , now I'm just going to wait for the full thing to be done. 1368171;1452618596;psztorc;This one let you exchange the coins, *before* the fork actually split them into two Altcoins. 1368172;1452618632;ascii_butugychag;wut?!! 1368173;1452618636;adlai;ascii_butugychag: you can run bitcoind and forkcoind, and automate https://github.com/TierNolan/bips/blob/bip4x/bip-atom.mediawiki between them... if only anybody wrote the glue for this. for some reason I thought psztorc was working on this, but can't find the github repo 1368174;1452618637;assbot;bips/bip-atom.mediawiki at bip4x · TierNolan/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONy9xk ) 1368175;1452618652;ascii_butugychag;psztorc: before the split, the alt does not exist in any sense 1368176;1452618681;adlai;mircea_popescu doesn't own woodcoin, either. 1368177;1452618693;adlai;but funkenstein_ is holding some for him, if that altchain even exists outside of his computer 1368178;1452618703;psztorc;They were essentially synthetic futures on each coin, denominated in fiat. 1368179;1452618710;psztorc;You can read about it if you like: http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/win-win-blocksize/ 1368180;1452618713;assbot;The Win-Win Blocksize Solution | Truthcoin: Making Cheap Talk Expensive ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONyiRv ) 1368181;1452618735;adlai;psztorc: the problem with basing this rather-necessary tool on TC/HM is that the latter doesn't exist yet... 1368182;1452618774;psztorc;I know, that's why I proposed rushing out a very very simple version which outright relied on multisig for the 2-way-peg and the price-oracle input. 1368183;1452618774;adlai;bitcoind, forkcoind, and various young/crippled bip4x implementations - do 1368184;1452618805;psztorc;I asked for help / support / feedback ... got zero. 1368185;1452618806;adlai;eg - https://github.com/mappum/mercury if you can stomach the java 1368186;1452618807;assbot;mappum/mercury · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7KfNz ) 1368187;1452618832;ascii_butugychag;psztorc: you can market shares in own farts, if you feel like it 1368188;1452618835;ascii_butugychag;good luck finding buyers. 1368189;1452618844;psztorc;So I just shelved it...unlike TC/HM, the watered-down version required some community buy-in, so I knew it was DoA. 1368190;1452618848;BingoBoingo;psztorc: You have to understand A-flat minor is best key, and this drama is all about Gavin's diminishing ability to see his penis 1368191;1452618870;psztorc;ascii_butugychag: What exactly are you talking about? 1368192;1452618880;ascii_butugychag;the arbitrage thing 1368193;1452618931;psztorc;What about it? 1368194;1452618967;ascii_butugychag;!s protocol promise 1368195;1452618968;assbot;15 results for 'protocol promise' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=protocol+promise 1368196;1452618995;mats;https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/wassenaar-cybersecurity-and-export-control/ 1368197;1452618996;assbot;Wassenaar: Cybersecurity and Export Control - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONyK2b ) 1368198;1452618996;adlai;there's no a-priori reason why fork proponents can't stake their reputation on pgp-signed contracts to buy up their alt after it's launch... reminscent of the $20 XPY floor 1368199;1452619066;ascii_butugychag;adlai: ask mircea_popescu to write one up for you, if you need this 1368200;1452619067;adlai;psztorc: have you considered asking fork proponents to help build such a market? i think the antifork crowd are more content to take a more patient role in this game of chicken, because the "burden of forking" is on the other camp 1368201;1452619107;*;adlai only trades altcoins in the middle clef 1368202;1452619121;psztorc;adlai: Well, who would I ask? 1368203;1452619128;ascii_butugychag;mats: didja get in line for jail yet ? 1368204;1452619140;ascii_butugychag;mats: i hear they give priority to applicants who give a shit 1368205;1452619158;psztorc;Instead, I'm just going to finish my own project. 1368206;1452619197;psztorc;As slowly as it takes. 1368207;1452619210;mats;i wonder sometimes what prison would be like 1368208;1452619245;adlai;psztorc: at the top of my push-down stack of Bitcoin forkists are all the names listed on https://bitcoinclassic.com/ 1368209;1452619246;assbot;Bitcoin Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7IjEK ) 1368210;1452619271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9256 @ 0.0005016 = 4.6428 BTC [-] 1368211;1452619271;psztorc;Well, that's the news, so to speak. 1368212;1452619271;mats;i think i would enjoy it, at least a little bit 1368213;1452619288;psztorc;I will be lurking about, wrt 2 MB blocksize fork. 1368214;1452619295;psztorc;See ya later. 1368215;1452619401;thestringpuller;the forkers think it's all fun and games until an ecological disaster occurs. then who is expected to clean it up? 1368216;1452619415;deedbot-;[Qntra] Another One Bites The Dust: Cryptsy Edition - http://qntra.net/2016/01/another-one-bites-the-dust-cryptsy-edition/ 1368217;1452619437;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: the vultures will clean up. 1368218;1452619490;thestringpuller;so we have to live in vaults because some fucker wants to launch a nuke cause "hey this will fix the world!111" 1368219;1452619544;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368106 << not a bad beginning. 1368220;1452619544;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:37:02; ascii_butugychag: (he has the virtue of not building towers of own shit, like farm swine, but that's the beginning and end of it) 1368221;1452619562;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1368222;1452619563;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368109 << word. 1368223;1452619563;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:48:30; adlai: clef notation is worse than useless, because it sparks endless bikeshedding about whether E sharp "ever is or could be equal to" F 1368224;1452619580;mircea_popescu;musical notation is a joke to pretty much every serrious musician. it is a "pons asinorum" of sorts and not much else 1368225;1452619595;mircea_popescu;you have to "interpret" and "read it with feeling" and" this isn't what liszt meant" and bla bla. 1368226;1452619605;mircea_popescu;it's only there like the clothes are there on woman : to make conversation. 1368227;1452619648;*;adlai envisions an aging mircea_popescu, tired of 'systems analysis', finding his final calling with the shakuhachi. (it's also quite good for spanking) 1368228;1452619692;mircea_popescu;i actually broke a bone flute on a flesh ass. 1368229;1452619772;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368128 << quite common actually, yes. chiefly because jazz is a lot more into the whole color and interpretation thing. 1368230;1452619772;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:57:00; thestringpuller: from my studies, I thought that jazz musicians routinely passed down songs via audition rather than sight (via score). 1368231;1452619824;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368129 |<< this isn't going to be like the "miners vote to uncontroversial softfork, oops forgot to actually implement it" debacle is it ? 1368232;1452619824;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:57:11; psztorc: So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow. 1368233;1452619845;BingoBoingo;Anyways, look which degenerate gambler is ready to lose other people's money again https://archive.is/qBHnW 1368234;1452619847;assbot;KLYEMAX.COM – Crypto Webcam Exchange - Open Beta : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONA3Ou ) 1368235;1452619924;mircea_popescu;ahahaha (p) that rocks 1368236;1452619969;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368158 << you must have forgotten january 2015 when "consensus" and "nobody really opposes this" and bla bla. 1368237;1452619969;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:05:10; psztorc: I bring it up because it is in contrast to XT, which no one really liked. 1368238;1452620028;BingoBoingo;Lots of noiseholes loved XT at first 1368239;1452620029;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368167 << davout was working on it. 1368240;1452620029;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:08:33; adlai: psztorc: out of curiosity, did anything ever come of plans to build a market for exchanging such coins? rather than manually arbitraging between businesses on either side 1368241;1452620060;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's no end of these "bitcoin experts" who have weekly opinions and who are to be taken seriously provided you don't examine anything past last week. 1368242;1452620087;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I need to know for the jokes!!! 1368243;1452620097;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368166 << if you imagine interviews is what protects dangerous idiots from decapitation you're off a different planet already. 1368244;1452620097;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:07:24; psztorc: BingoBoingo: you see, that's the thing when it comes to death threats, though. 1368245;1452620134;*;BingoBoingo sharpens soldering iron 1368246;1452620149;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368177 << supposedly there is a chain. i never personally checked. 1368247;1452620149;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:11:33; adlai: but funkenstein_ is holding some for him, if that altchain even exists outside of his computer 1368248;1452620178;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368184 << start by getting in the wot. 1368249;1452620178;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:13:25; psztorc: I asked for help / support / feedback ... got zero. 1368250;1452620247;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368198 << well, none other than the obvious reason, at any rate. 1368251;1452620247;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 17:16:36; adlai: there's no a-priori reason why fork proponents can't stake their reputation on pgp-signed contracts to buy up their alt after it's launch... reminscent of the $20 XPY floor 1368252;1452620254;mircea_popescu;idea men everywhere. 1368253;1452620294;mircea_popescu;lol bitcoinclassic. 1368254;1452620318;mircea_popescu;derps so fucking desperately need moar brandings and things. plox to make a website. with the cssen 1368255;1452620359;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/bHGp3 << o look at that, the new-xt bs no longer has hearn ? 1368256;1452620360;assbot;Bitcoin Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7PA7E ) 1368257;1452620362;mircea_popescu;awww. 1368258;1452620404;BingoBoingo;Hearnia is bad for optics 1368259;1452620407;mircea_popescu;anyway. this bullshit won't be either mined or relayed by trb. 1368260;1452620425;mircea_popescu;they're more than free to make their own altcoin, like everyhone else throughout the years. glhf and all that. 1368261;1452620459;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea what they imagine this will do. suppose 90% of the miners move over. i will not honor any of their payments, not on mpex, not on bitbet, not anywhere else. that's the whole market. 1368262;1452620462;*;shinohai needs to review last night's logs for more info on trb mining pool possibility 1368263;1452620467;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i will continue to honor payments on the actual bitcoin chain. 1368264;1452620485;mircea_popescu;so basically the renegade miners that got scammed into mining a fork got all the mining competition and none of the benefits. 1368265;1452620497;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the loyal miners get 10x easier coins. 1368266;1452620503;mircea_popescu;i don't see who minds this ? go right ahead! 1368267;1452620510;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: speaking of crackpot ideas, re: your pool: how about ~preferring~ high-S ? 1368268;1452620559;mircea_popescu;eh, i dunno if you recall the discussion at the time, but anyway. i am not really THAT against that soft fork, because like it or not this situation with ambiguous s-ness is not so good. 1368269;1452620571;mircea_popescu;certainly not against it enough to precipitate a chainwar 1368270;1452620605;ascii_butugychag;but would conveniently drive an additional nail into the enemy's skull 1368271;1452620623;mircea_popescu;yes but i'm not a bloodthirsty orc. not just yet at any rate. 1368272;1452620646;ascii_butugychag;i mean, the present situation is icky 1368273;1452620664;ascii_butugychag;when i issue a tx, 50% chance it never gets in a block 1368274;1452620664;mircea_popescu;anyway, if the toomims take thgeir fake hashpower to this thing it'll be a perfect exit for that set of scammers and good riddance. 1368275;1452620669;ascii_butugychag;or what, some time next year ? 1368276;1452620681;mircea_popescu;yeah, but it costs ~nothing to make it be low-S 1368277;1452620692;mircea_popescu;iirc mod6 was considering a trb patch 1368278;1452620695;ascii_butugychag;it costs patching 1368279;1452620699;ascii_butugychag;and surrendering on the declaration 1368280;1452620705;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1368281;1452620706;ascii_butugychag;bowing to the enemy 1368282;1452620711;ascii_butugychag;'softfork'ism 1368283;1452620716;mircea_popescu;eh, bowing to reality. 1368284;1452620739;mircea_popescu;not every inconvenience is good enough to call out the troops. 1368285;1452620745;mircea_popescu;troops also got their own land to plow. 1368286;1452620756;BingoBoingo; anyway, if the toomims take thgeir fake hashpower to this thing it'll be a perfect exit for that set of scammers and good riddance. << I alway thought the Toomims hashpower was real? Who claiming fake hashpower would claim so little? 1368287;1452620760;ascii_butugychag;why not preferentially mine the high-S ? 1368288;1452620772;ascii_butugychag;betcha the pool would instantly fill with trb folk 1368289;1452620773;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the fake is in the "their". 1368290;1452620775;mircea_popescu;but anyway. 1368291;1452620778;BingoBoingo;Aha 1368292;1452620796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15004 @ 0.00049818 = 7.4747 BTC [-] {4} 1368293;1452620804;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag if we do force a longer chain which breaks that softfork we HAVE to also steal all their money. 1368294;1452620833;ascii_butugychag;how would that work? 1368295;1452620851;mircea_popescu;that we'll doublespend all the txn that they see as conformant, and then impose the longer chain with the doublespends. 1368296;1452620853;ascii_butugychag;double-spend? 1368297;1452620853;ascii_butugychag;ah 1368298;1452620862;mircea_popescu;it kills a lot of people. 1368299;1452620886;ascii_butugychag;do they need to live ? 1368300;1452620900;mircea_popescu;yes, well, let's pace ourselves. 1368301;1452620908;adlai;for purposes of log completeness, since this took way too long to dig up: Olin Shivers's preamble on hundred percent vs eighty percent solutions: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/papers/sre.txt 1368302;1452620909;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONBAUO ) 1368303;1452620930;adlai;(might even be worth a deeding?) 1368304;1452620937;mircea_popescu;by olin himself. 1368305;1452620955;ascii_butugychag;adlai: mega-classic 1368306;1452620957;*;adlai waits for the man to show up 1368307;1452621008;adlai;ascii_butugychag: agreed, but for such a mega-classic, it's unbearably un-googleable. anything about "80/100% solutions" (spelled however you like) turns up corporations priding themselves in the quick, dirty, and incomplete. 1368308;1452621039;*;adlai found it by sifting r^Nrs authors for the familiar name, then sifting his bibliography 1368309;1452621042;ascii_butugychag;;;google olin shivers sre 1368310;1452621043;gribble;The SRE regular-expression notation: ; Technical Bibliography - College of Computer and Information Science: ; Olin Shivers - College of Computer and Information Science: 1368311;1452621047;ascii_butugychag;^ works!111 1368312;1452621059;adlai;provided you know which manual has this preamble, sure. 1368313;1452621066;*;adlai doesn't actually care much for regex 1368314;1452621132;BingoBoingo;adlai: What about the stripper ReggieX 1368315;1452621197;adlai;you may need to recalibrate your tokenizer's fuzzyness 1368316;1452621205;mircea_popescu;"Unfortunately, his quickly-built socket interface isn't general. It just 1368317;1452621205;mircea_popescu;covers the bits this particular hacker needed for his applications. So the 1368318;1452621205;mircea_popescu;next guy that comes along and needs a socket interface can't use this one. 1368319;1452621205;mircea_popescu;Not only does it lack coverage, but the deep structure wasn't thought out well 1368320;1452621205;mircea_popescu;enough to allow for quality extension. So *he* does his *own* 80% 1368321;1452621206;mircea_popescu;implementation. Five hackers later, five different, incompatible, ungeneral 1368322;1452621207;mircea_popescu;implementations had been built. No one can use each others code." 1368323;1452621212;mircea_popescu;no you don't udnerstand because the specification is the code. 1368324;1452621218;mircea_popescu;!up punindented 1368325;1452621223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0005016 = 9.6809 BTC [+] 1368326;1452621244;ascii_butugychag;!s bipolar lisp 1368327;1452621245;assbot;0 results for 'bipolar lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bipolar+lisp 1368328;1452621263;ascii_butugychag;http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm 1368329;1452621263;assbot;The Bipolar Lisp Programmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7SLvV ) 1368330;1452621266;ascii_butugychag;^ as described here. 1368331;1452621276;ascii_butugychag;(psychopathology of foss, etc) 1368332;1452621333;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point oshivers' not aware of is that THE ONLY way to have 100% solutions is with the power of the wot as deployed by b-a 1368333;1452621340;mircea_popescu;with sole persons responsible, and with al lthat. 1368334;1452621376;adlai;fwiw my latest go-to answer to "but why did you use lisp?" is that it lets me optimize for programmer lazyness. (this predates http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1365687 by ~10 months) 1368335;1452621376;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 00:40:01; mircea_popescu: i think i'ma just use adlai to denote lazy from now on. 1368336;1452621385;mircea_popescu;they try to hack it togetgher with bs like the internet taskforce "we believe in rough consensus and working code", but it's structurally nonsense. the only reason it sort-of appeared to work was because it was unwittingly implementing some wot/ba features. 1368337;1452621396;mircea_popescu;such as a backflow of "your shit is broken/down/fuck you" 1368338;1452621411;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1368339;1452621424;adlai;what features did wot/ba have before its parents were born? 1368340;1452621442;mircea_popescu;im not sure i understand the question 1368341;1452621459;adlai;(it's a zen joke! http://www.bodhizendo.org/face.htm ) 1368342;1452621460;assbot;amasamy_teishos ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Trl7 ) 1368343;1452621505;adlai;meh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_face is a better tl;dr i guess. 1368344;1452621506;assbot;Original face - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7TAF2 ) 1368345;1452621714;mircea_popescu;"The right thing to do was to carefully implement one, common base mode for process interaction, and to carefully put in hooks for customising this base mode into language-specific modes" << and in today's installement of intelligence is no defense from stupidity news, "if you tried wrestling with a wild pig in some mud you found in the forrest and got raped, the correct thing is to buy some earth from the supermarket, 1368346;1452621714;mircea_popescu; water it carefully from your own sink and grow your own pig". 1368347;1452621744;ascii_butugychag;hey my pig is growing by the hour!111 1368348;1452621750;ascii_butugychag;snout already protrudes from the pot 1368349;1452621772;mircea_popescu;clearly yhou are set for greatness 1368350;1452621781;ascii_butugychag;!b 8 1368351;1452621783;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PMPPY2.txt ) 1368352;1452622260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00050089 = 5.4847 BTC [-] 1368353;1452622580;mircea_popescu;"Any lecturer who serves his time will probably graduate hundreds, if not thousands of students. Mostly they merge into a blur; like those paintings of crowd scenes where the leading faces are clearly picked out and the rest just have iconic representations. This anonymity can be embarrassing when some past student hails you by name and you really haven't got the foggiest idea of who he or she is. It's both nice to 1368354;1452622581;mircea_popescu; be remembered and also toe curlingly embarrassing to admit that you cannot recognise who you are talking to." 1368355;1452622583;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry... what ? 1368356;1452622601;mircea_popescu;da fuck is embarassing about this ? i say "i'm sorry, who are you again ?" a dozen times a day, if it's a day i mostly sleep. 1368357;1452622899;mircea_popescu;http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm << nice writing, and in more than one way. ascii_butugychag dja happen to recognize the very plain, alphabetic notation employed ? :D 1368358;1452622900;assbot;The Bipolar Lisp Programmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7SLvV ) 1368359;1452622921;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: not a maths piece 1368360;1452622925;ascii_butugychag;and this is tarver 1368361;1452622927;ascii_butugychag;!s tarver 1368362;1452622928;assbot;8 results for 'tarver' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tarver 1368363;1452622934;mircea_popescu;nevertheless :D 1368364;1452622935;ascii_butugychag;iirc we had a few tarver threadz 1368365;1452622938;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1368366;1452622941;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1368367;1452622970;mircea_popescu;(fwiw, /me doesn't even recognise such distinction can be had) 1368368;1452623159;mircea_popescu;can not read this man and not love him. 1368369;1452623376;mircea_popescu;"Now one of the things about Lisp, and I've seen it before, is that Lisp is a real magnet for this kind of mind. " check it out, he ... carefully put in the hook for language specific http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366854 1368370;1452623376;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 17:58:22; mircea_popescu: it is also fundamentally why math "is hard". for every non-retarded young adult who believes math is hard you have a case of a child who developed his own, highly personal set of shitty symbols, and then never received a good explanation as to what the difference between his and "everyone else"'s is, so got lost. 1368371;1452623560;*;BingoBoingo is just giving words away to qntra shareholders right now. Fucking footnoting inside a blockquote. 1368372;1452623586;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1368373;1452623628;adlai;BingoBoingo: you qntring "btc classic"? 1368374;1452623645;BingoBoingo;Decline to comment at this time 1368375;1452623715;*;adlai off to rosenfeld chess'n'bullshit emporium, leaves scoopworms to earlier birds 1368376;1452623875;mircea_popescu;and in the endless lulz, https://archive.is/ZTfo5 1368377;1452623876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rke1oJ ) 1368378;1452623883;mircea_popescu;"hey, maybe i'm not really fat!!1" 1368379;1452623983;BingoBoingo;NO gavin, you still can't see your penis without a mirror! 1368380;1452624061;kakobrekla;;;later tell asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/155WRJA.txt 1368381;1452624063;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkegAa ) 1368382;1452624063;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368383;1452624125;mircea_popescu;"Bitonic has sold over 200 000 bitcoins and is celebrating by giving away one bitcoin! PART 4" 1368384;1452624127;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. 1368385;1452624334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0005016 = 8.9285 BTC [+] 1368386;1452624514;mircea_popescu;"The largest criticisms of Symbolics in the article are that Symbolics believed AI would take off and that Symbolics mistakenly pushed its view that proprietary hardware was the way to go for AI." 1368387;1452624523;mircea_popescu;bwahaha. symbolics - wanted to be ms, got raped. 1368388;1452624532;mircea_popescu;there's no engineering brilliance that may excuse that, is there. 1368389;1452624724;mircea_popescu;"And outside the US there were major Lisp efforts, including Cambridge Lisp and Le-Lisp. The humble US grassroots effort did not seek membership from outside the US, and one can safely regard that as a mistake. Frankly, it never occurred to the Common Lisp group that this purely American effort would be of interest outside the US, because very few of the group saw a future in AI that would extend the needs for a standa 1368390;1452624725;mircea_popescu;rd Lisp beyond North America." 1368391;1452624726;mircea_popescu;mwahaha 1368392;1452624923;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368376 <<< grasping at straws now or appeal to authority ? 1368393;1452624923;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 18:37:55; mircea_popescu: and in the endless lulz, https://archive.is/ZTfo5 1368394;1452624962;mircea_popescu;i dunno, by now they're self-parodic. 1368395;1452625000;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40lzdm/rich_bankers_paying_expensive_tickets_for/ << "most expensive ever saw". because actual bitcoin conferences in timisoara, b-a etc never happened. 1368396;1452625001;assbot;Rich bankers paying expensive tickets for Blockchain London Con : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkfifB ) 1368397;1452625001;mircea_popescu;le derp. 1368398;1452625029;shinohai;Maybe Gavin can get them seat on the jet. 1368399;1452625252;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2016/01/11#l1452496750.0 << in other news, what scant remains is left of #power-rangers are moving into a "actual improvements" phase. 1368400;1452625253;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkfH1E ) 1368401;1452625267;mircea_popescu;bluematt left, apparently. which brings the bipedal count to ~0 1368402;1452625322;mircea_popescu;i'd have much preferred it if that quote read "had we done what mp said we shoudl do the first time he called us idiots back in 2013, we'd now be in a position where we could almost pass for human" 1368403;1452625341;mircea_popescu;but hey, bovines bloviate, what's to be expected. 1368404;1452625393;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. 1368405;1452625705;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1368406;1452625725;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368387 << mno. for one thing, microshit was not yet itself 1368407;1452625725;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 18:48:43; mircea_popescu: bwahaha. symbolics - wanted to be ms, got raped. 1368408;1452625731;ascii_butugychag;it wanted to be.... varian. 1368409;1452625737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00050161 = 7.8 BTC [+] {2} 1368410;1452625761;mircea_popescu;whether the rat existed yet or not, they still aspired to be a rat. 1368411;1452625765;BingoBoingo;;;google Ahmed Bodiwala 1368412;1452625766;gribble;Ahmed Bodiwala (@CryptoExpert) | Twitter: ; ahmedbodi · GitHub: ; The Arscoin rollout, through the eyes of the server administrators ...: 1368413;1452625768;*;mircea_popescu is quite glad it blew up, actually. 1368414;1452625797;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing the world of today needed would be some unfucked & unfuckable, nose-in-the-sky self sufficient engineer derps with delusions of success. 1368415;1452625814;mircea_popescu;"oh we know shit" etc. 1368416;1452625833;mircea_popescu;at least the usg, from the president to the last goon, knows they're sitting on a prayer 1368417;1452625842;mircea_popescu;and that they're wrong, and unloved. 1368418;1452625849;mircea_popescu;but most importantly - wrong. 1368419;1452626160;ascii_butugychag;thing is, these were not pc 1368420;1452626165;ascii_butugychag;they were heavy industrial equipment. 1368421;1452626168;ascii_butugychag;hence - varian. 1368422;1452626174;ascii_butugychag;(example) 1368423;1452626176;ascii_butugychag;caterpillar. 1368424;1452626180;ascii_butugychag;if you like. 1368425;1452626230;mircea_popescu;only reason those are excused is because ancient tradition. otherwise, caterpillar as loathsome as john deere as loathsome as monsanto as loathsome as mpaa 1368426;1452626233;ascii_butugychag;whereas imagine, caterpillar is dead, and now we have only shovels. 1368427;1452626271;mircea_popescu;no, we have city-run stell mill like the city power network, 1368428;1452626280;mircea_popescu;and a flurry of various machien making machines. 1368429;1452626301;mircea_popescu;fuck caterpillar. and boeing. and the whole fucking rest of them. 1368430;1452626306;ascii_butugychag;if mircea_popescu imagines that his gateway to the bowels of hell will be dug by six dudes with shovels, he is smoking something strong. 1368431;1452626324;mircea_popescu;grey goop! 1368432;1452626337;mircea_popescu;"C is therefore a language for which it is easy to write a decent compiler" 1368433;1452626345;mircea_popescu;ahaha I~~~ am the one smoking something strong ? 1368434;1452626349;mircea_popescu;what about gabriel! 1368435;1452626355;mircea_popescu;fucking c compiler's not yet been written. 1368436;1452626362;ascii_butugychag;fuck boeing << what does mircea_popescu fly on ? a Junkers ? 1368437;1452626383;mircea_popescu;fuck boeing nevertheless. i do not wish to even hear of bullshit "airport" to have "tsa" at. 1368438;1452626396;mircea_popescu;private jets all the way. private helicopters, cessnas, fuck it. 1368439;1452626419;mircea_popescu;i want to have more landing locations than existing aircraft. 1368440;1452626442;mircea_popescu;houses don't need a fucking pool 1368441;1452626445;mircea_popescu;they need a runway. 1368442;1452626450;mircea_popescu;bitch can cool herself in the basement. 1368443;1452626493;ascii_butugychag;the megastate didn't end up with air superiority because of the gods' whim, though 1368444;1452626499;ascii_butugychag;it follows from orwell's theorem 1368445;1452626519;mircea_popescu;fuck orwell too. 1368446;1452626526;ascii_butugychag;'sovereignty is the ability to manufacture airplane in large numbers' 1368447;1452626539;mircea_popescu;forget this. no more centralized manufacturing of anything. 1368448;1452626544;ascii_butugychag;yes, but ~with what~ do you intend to fuck him 1368449;1452626551;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1368450;1452626554;ascii_butugychag;shoot down usg fighters with pure mind rays ? 1368451;1452626572;ascii_butugychag;at least tesla had an idea of what this has to be 1368452;1452626579;mircea_popescu;nope, shoot them down with the same rays usa shot down soviet strategic bombers 1368453;1452626582;mircea_popescu;bankruptcy ray. 1368454;1452626588;mircea_popescu;a little bit of internal unrest ray too. 1368455;1452626611;mircea_popescu;best ray to date, as far as the military records go. 1368456;1452626635;punkman;"a flurry of various machine making machines." "houses don't need a fucking pool, they need a runway." << I love futuristic-mp 1368457;1452626643;mircea_popescu;as someone once said, "their tricks work for them only a short distance of their run, and for us the whole run." 1368458;1452626657;ascii_butugychag;must be great being an immortal demigod 1368459;1452626664;mircea_popescu;i got promoted ? 1368460;1452626666;ascii_butugychag;never need to kill anybody, just wait for'em to die 1368461;1452626687;mircea_popescu;just as long as i get my death certificates. 1368462;1452626922;*;BingoBoingo awaits mircea_popescu paying out bounties to Unilever for the death of his enemies. 1368463;1452626979;mircea_popescu;all the talk neglects to notice how teh usg is force to try and replace cars - autonomous for 1500 miles - with rubber band machines, autonomous for maybe 50. at GREAT expense. 1368464;1452626985;mircea_popescu;why do they need that, one would wonder ? 1368465;1452626997;mircea_popescu;fuck that. airplanes, 3k miles, etc. 1368466;1452627017;mircea_popescu;"sovereignity is the ability to convince lazy idiots that symbols have meaning". 1368467;1452627021;mircea_popescu;avast. 1368468;1452627181;deedbot-;[Qntra] Gavin and Toomim Present: "Classic" Another Hard Fork Risk - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-and-toomim-present-classic-another-hard-fork-risk/ 1368469;1452627270;BingoBoingo;!up punindented 1368470;1452627596;mircea_popescu;let's consider the following bit of clisp guts : 1368471;1452627598;mircea_popescu;2.2.1 Bad Declarations 1368472;1452627598;mircea_popescu;This example is a mistake that is easy to make. The programmer here did not declare his arrays as fully as he could have. Therefore, each array access was about as slow as a function call when it should have been a few instructions. The original declaration was as follows: 1368473;1452627598;mircea_popescu; (proclaim '(type (array fixnum *) *ar1* *ar2* *ar3*)) 1368474;1452627598;mircea_popescu;The three arrays happen to be of fixed size, which is reflected in the following correct declaration: 1368475;1452627600;mircea_popescu; (proclaim '(type (simple-array fixnum (4)) *ar1*)) 1368476;1452627602;mircea_popescu; (proclaim '(type (simple-array fixnum (4 4)) *ar2*)) 1368477;1452627604;mircea_popescu; (proclaim '(type (simple-array fixnum (4 4 4)) *ar3*)) 1368478;1452627610;mircea_popescu;are you seriously going to tell me that the compiler fails to identify this optimization ?! 1368479;1452627626;mircea_popescu;"Altering the faulty declaration improved the performance of the entire system by 20%." << umm... go hang ? 1368480;1452627656;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1368481;1452627689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00050179 = 6.2724 BTC [+] 1368482;1452627718;BingoBoingo;;;later tell psztorc thank you for enriching my morning lulz 1368483;1452627719;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368484;1452627730;mircea_popescu;"There is no reason that a programmer should know that this rewrite is needed. On the other hand, finding that performance was not as expected should not have led the manager of the programmer in question to conclude, as he did, that Lisp was the wrong language." ahaha what ?! 1368485;1452627745;*;mircea_popescu aborts this with an unspecified error code. 1368486;1452627766;PeterL; houses don't need a fucking pool 1368487;1452627767;PeterL;* they need a runway. << Why not both? 1368488;1452627775;mircea_popescu;just making a rhetorical point 1368489;1452627779;mircea_popescu;they can have a kennel for all i care. 1368490;1452627807;PeterL;https://www.rt.com/news/266872-afalina-helicopter-cheapest-russia/ << and now everybody can switch to helicopter instead of car 1368491;1452627809;assbot;Meet Afalina: Russian manufacturer reveals the world’s cheapest helicopter (VIDEO) — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5zIBj ) 1368492;1452627867;mircea_popescu;i briefly considered a two seater thing a few years back 1368493;1452627872;mircea_popescu;it was actuallyt about ~same as a car. 1368494;1452627887;punkman;can't fit many girls in two seater 1368495;1452627925;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1368496;1452627936;mircea_popescu;also flying a 1/4 ton thing is a little iffy. 1368497;1452627947;mircea_popescu;kinda like sailing in a nut shell 1368498;1452627986;mircea_popescu;(flying a fixed wing is similar, except the arrangement has signigicant - if not gravitational - inertia. a tiny heli does not.) 1368499;1452628025;mircea_popescu;or how do you call those things... deltaplan ? 1368500;1452628040;mircea_popescu;hang glider ? 1368501;1452628135;punkman;I kinda liked this one, also lands on water http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361483 1368502;1452628135;assbot;Logged on 06-01-2016 14:03:09; punkman: http://iconaircraft.com/news/flying-the-icon-a5-in-new-york-city/ neat 1368503;1452628186;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1368504;1452628230;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368478 << the sole purpose of 'proclaim' is to hand-optimize where the compiler cannot SAFELY do it 1368505;1452628230;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 19:40:10; mircea_popescu: are you seriously going to tell me that the compiler fails to identify this optimization ?! 1368506;1452628252;ascii_butugychag;http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_procla.htm 1368507;1452628253;assbot;CLHS: Function PROCLAIM ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5AG0p ) 1368508;1452628305;ascii_butugychag;cl is not, e.g., haskell, does not attempt mechanical type inference 1368509;1452628318;ascii_butugychag;deltaplan, not boeing. 1368510;1452628380;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368493 << same pathetic range as car, too 1368511;1452628380;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 19:44:32; mircea_popescu: it was actuallyt about ~same as a car. 1368512;1452628384;PeterL;back to the topic of alphabet, alchemists/early chemists came up with wacky symbols for all the elements, thankfully somebody got smart and switched to alphabetic symbols instead. 1368513;1452628389;ascii_butugychag;what's the point ? rooftop escapes ? 1368514;1452628409;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag ah ok 1368515;1452628431;mircea_popescu;PeterL you don't say. 1368516;1452628468;PeterL;helicopter can go faster than car, more direct route 1368517;1452628481;ascii_butugychag;if yours is the only one in town - sure 1368518;1452628513;mircea_popescu;up until you run into some headwind. 1368519;1452628525;ascii_butugychag;or traffic. 1368520;1452628543;mircea_popescu;traffic isn't so big a problem - easeir to make autoflown heli than car. 1368521;1452628556;ascii_butugychag;mno. ground effect. 1368522;1452628563;ascii_butugychag;ever fly a toy heli ? 1368523;1452628567;PeterL;what traffic, aren't we killing off 90% of population? 1368524;1452628590;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: yeah but the remaining folk all have dirigibles 1368525;1452628669;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag let's see... anywehre you go, there's a ~1k lane highway available. and it's on ~ 50 or 100 levels. so 50k lanes at a minimum. what fucking traffic. 1368526;1452628699;mircea_popescu;not to mention heli brakes easier than any car. 1368527;1452628791;PeterL;heli breaks easier than car? 1368528;1452628803;mircea_popescu;well of course. you can just plug the power backwards, who's to know. 1368529;1452628821;ascii_butugychag;wut 1368530;1452628837;mircea_popescu;if you're doing 10kN forward, you can within 2-3 seconds do 10kN backward. 1368531;1452628841;mircea_popescu;no braking system approaches this. 1368532;1452628894;ascii_butugychag;discussing braking in a machine that can go into, e.g., spins, is lulzy 1368533;1452628911;ascii_butugychag;only on the ground do you get stability (mostly) for free 1368534;1452628911;BingoBoingo;In other news, this may be the fastest a qntra has gotten social media noise https://twitter.com/qntra/status/686996869583523840 << 20 minutes 1368535;1452628945;mircea_popescu;you get stability in the sense that you agree to be a carrot moving at speed on a vegetable grater. 1368536;1452628958;mircea_popescu;it's almost like "being a usg subject gives you stability for free" 1368537;1452628962;mircea_popescu;yeah... i... have seen. 1368538;1452628965;PeterL;less likely to hit a deer if travelling by helicopter 1368539;1452628998;ascii_butugychag;eagle in the air intake ? 1368540;1452629008;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1368541;1452629009;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2C4RCVR.txt ) 1368542;1452629009;mircea_popescu;well not for a heli 1368543;1452629021;mircea_popescu;but yes, small jets mostly get killed by ducks. 1368544;1452629056;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, many of the small helis on the market today are turbojet 1368545;1452629073;mircea_popescu;yeah, but these tiny things here discussed seemed more like chainsaw than turbojet. 1368546;1452629075;ascii_butugychag;(e.g., some of the police choppers where i live. i was shown one up close at a public expo, tiny thing) 1368547;1452629082;ascii_butugychag;speaking of chainsaw 1368548;1452629093;ascii_butugychag;i've something that beats mircea_popescu's huqsvarna motorcycle 1368549;1452629099;ascii_butugychag;the new train cars in this town are... 1368550;1452629101;ascii_butugychag;kawasaki. 1368551;1452629105;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1368552;1452629110;BingoBoingo;wow 1368553;1452629117;mircea_popescu;actually... the motorbike dudes moved into heavy industry in the 90s 1368554;1452629197;ascii_butugychag;https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/commuting/a-peek-inside-metros-newest-rail-car/2011/07/06/gIQASy511H_story.html < them 1368555;1452629198;assbot;A peek inside Metro’s new rail car - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1SMRGjf ) 1368556;1452629206;ascii_butugychag;complete with barfproof floor 1368557;1452629214;mircea_popescu;how's barfproof floor work ? 1368558;1452629243;ascii_butugychag;linoleum 1368559;1452629247;ascii_butugychag;(old cars had carpet) 1368560;1452629248;mircea_popescu;"we don't let any poor people in" 1368561;1452629249;mircea_popescu;oh. 1368562;1452629253;ascii_butugychag;l0l if only 1368563;1452629260;mircea_popescu;your life's ever closer to the dungeon, eh alf. 1368564;1452629314;ascii_butugychag;'Привет тебе, судьбы моей рычаг...' 1368565;1452629393;ascii_butugychag;http://grist.org/article/7-kinds-of-government-subsidies-those-angry-ranchers-get-that-you-dont << lulzily linked from the fishwrap 1368566;1452629394;assbot;7 kinds of government subsidies those angry ranchers get that you don’t | Grist ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5D3Ah ) 1368567;1452629397;BingoBoingo;In other updates http://qntra.net/2015/11/yik-yak-use-leads-to-arrest/#comment-38885 1368568;1452629398;assbot;Yik Yak Use Leads To Arrest | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5D6vP ) 1368569;1452629466;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1368570;1452629555;ascii_butugychag;moar, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/the-new-way-police-are-surveilling-you-calculating-your-threat-score/2016/01/10/e42bccac-8e15-11e5-baf4-bdf37355da0c_story.html 1368571;1452629556;assbot;The new way police are surveilling you: Calculating your threat ‘score’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1l3LHsA ) 1368572;1452629602;ascii_butugychag;'As officers respond to calls, Beware automatically runs the address. The searches return the names of residents and scans them against a range of publicly available data to generate a color-coded threat level for each person or address: green, yellow or red.' 1368573;1452629615;ascii_butugychag;'Exactly how Beware calculates threat scores is something that its maker, Intrado, considers a trade secret, so it is unclear how much weight is given to a misdemeanor, felony or threatening comment on Facebook. ' 1368574;1452629617;ascii_butugychag;l0ltr0n1c 1368575;1452629683;ascii_butugychag;'The Fresno City Council called a hearing on Beware in November after constituents raised concerns. Once council member referred to a local media report saying that a woman’s threat level was elevated because she was tweeting about a card game titled “Rage,” which could be a keyword in Beware’s assessment of social media.' 1368576;1452629693;ascii_butugychag;who remembers the film 'brazil' ? 1368577;1452629766;ascii_butugychag;'Councilman Clinton J. Olivier... ...asked Dyer a simple question: “Could you run my threat level now?” Dyer agreed. The scan returned Olivier as a green, but his home came back as a yellow, possibly because of someone who previously lived at his address, a police official said.' 1368578;1452629809;kakobrekla;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Jan/26 1368579;1452629810;assbot;Full Disclosure: SSH Backdoor for FortiGate OS Version 4.x up to 5.0.7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5Ey1q ) 1368580;1452629846;ascii_butugychag;Run Moar Closed Turdware !11111 1368581;1452629886;kakobrekla;also http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35259190 1368582;1452629888;assbot;Saudi Arabia's Aramco considering share sale - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5EJd6 ) 1368583;1452629991;ascii_butugychag;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10887981 << lulzy shitgnomade re: the fortinet thing 1368584;1452629992;assbot;SSH Backdoor found in Fortinet firewalls | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SMTo43 ) 1368585;1452630182;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1368586;1452630434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.000504 = 13.8852 BTC [+] {5} 1368587;1452630723;deedbot-;[Qntra] Europol Claims DD4BC Action - http://qntra.net/2016/01/europol-claims-dd4bc-action/ 1368588;1452630896;mircea_popescu;o hey, aramco shares huh ? 1368589;1452630900;mircea_popescu;gives the chinese something to buy 1368590;1452631654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00050063 = 6.3079 BTC [-] {3} 1368591;1452632260;trinque;mircea_popescu │ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're taking. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... fine, but I thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that 1368592;1452632260;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 05:28:22; trinque: why create syntactic barriers to understanding when you can just kill the folks you don't want in your math club, anyway 1368593;1452632262;trinque;parsing take? 1368594;1452632291;mircea_popescu;myeah 1368595;1452632300;trinque;the comment about syntactic barriers was this, that if the hieroglyphs keep dummies from mauling the field (even as a happy accident), there are much better ways to push them out 1368596;1452632310;mircea_popescu;quite. 1368597;1452632320;trinque;mircea_popescu: your comment about symbolics murdering the competition and saying "here is the spec" for example. 1368598;1452632329;mircea_popescu;chief among those ways, teach them how to thing properly and watch them lose interest and move on 1368599;1452632331;mircea_popescu;self-selection 1368600;1452633789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00050002 = 3.0761 BTC [-] {2} 1368601;1452633821;mircea_popescu;!up user1675_ 1368602;1452634040;user1675_;hello 1368603;1452634049;user1675_;i would like to take a fraction of my time to talk about 1368604;1452634055;user1675_;how shit your registration system is 1368605;1452634064;user1675_;there is no manual or instructions 1368606;1452634076;user1675_;i bet you hired an indian on craigslist to build it for you 1368607;1452634079;BingoBoingo;!help 1368608;1452634079;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1368609;1452634086;BingoBoingo;^ instructions 1368610;1452634088;user1675_;it sucks harder than my grandmas rotten socks 1368611;1452634361;mircea_popescu;who're you again ? 1368612;1452634416;BingoBoingo;Wasn't it clear? he's ~user1675@212.158.180.119 1368613;1452634499;mircea_popescu;aok 1368614;1452634549;shinohai;lol wut? 1368615;1452634562;BingoBoingo;So, apparently qntra is hours ahead of ther derp press on "ClassicCoin" fork. Who wants to put odds on Qntra being days ahead of ragazine et al? 1368616;1452634874;mircea_popescu;lol 1368617;1452635056;BingoBoingo;;;later tell psztorc Seriously, thank you for that tip. 1368618;1452635056;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368619;1452635192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.00050278 = 8.2838 BTC [+] 1368620;1452635436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21313 @ 0.000499 = 10.6352 BTC [-] {6} 1368621;1452635767;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-and-toomim-present-classic-another-hard-fork-risk/#comment-38912 1368622;1452635768;assbot;Gavin and Toomim Present: "Classic" – Another Hard Fork Risk | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKjG60 ) 1368623;1452636225;BingoBoingo;!up CowManure 1368624;1452636279;CowManure;https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/ 1368625;1452636280;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 65`028 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 ) 1368626;1452636287;CowManure;What is considered 'bitcoin main'? 1368627;1452636315;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318519.msg13531667#msg13531667 <<< In which I am called an "MPFag" on bitcointalk, whatever that means. 1368628;1452636316;assbot;Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKl2Of ) 1368629;1452636536;CowManure;were either of those answers to my question? 1368630;1452636551;CowManure;I'm just curious based on the comments in the bet i posted 1368631;1452636742;BingoBoingo;CowManure: I am unsure 1368632;1452637410;kakobrekla;seems like blockchain.info resolves that bet 1368633;1452637450;punkman;the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently 1368634;1452637496;kakobrekla;but it say "any block ... on bc.info" 1368635;1452637505;punkman;but also "main" 1368636;1452637533;kakobrekla;bets are not resolved by title 1368637;1452637649;BingoBoingo;Well sometimes they have been... 1368638;1452637660;kakobrekla;like? 1368639;1452637801;BingoBoingo;I dun remember 1368640;1452637806;BingoBoingo;Mebbe I'm wrong 1368641;1452638303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00050045 = 7.1064 BTC [+] 1368642;1452638465;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychat 1368643;1452638876;ascii_butugychat;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368591 << discussion was not solely about 'hieroglyphs', but even something as ordinary as matrix notation 1368644;1452638876;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 20:57:40; trinque: mircea_popescu │ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're taking. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... fine, but I thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that 1368645;1452638954;ascii_butugychat;http://finitegeometry.org/sc/9/galois2.html << take this 1368646;1452638955;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W54cdA ) 1368647;1452638968;ascii_butugychat;i am NOT interested in dealing with this in motherfuking VERBAL form 1368648;1452638972;ascii_butugychat;all day, every day. 1368649;1452638979;ascii_butugychat;for a student, sure 1368650;1452638992;ascii_butugychat;(but not that i do not earn my bread in front of a classroom, also) 1368651;1452639034;*;ascii_butugychat notices lulzy typo in own nick 1368652;1452639117;jurov;quaternions are not in wot, case closed. 1368653;1452639149;ascii_butugychat;they are while i am. 1368654;1452639170;jurov;!gettrust asciilifeform quaternions 1368655;1452639170;assbot;quaternions is not registered in WoT. 1368656;1452639185;jurov;;) 1368657;1452639201;ascii_butugychat;'i am the lorax, who speaks for the trees!111' (tm) (r) 1368658;1452639536;jurov;symbolic shorthand is very useful for a mathematician who want to pack as much stuff as possible into his viewport/chalkboard 1368659;1452639586;jurov;also, i can't imagine taking notes on math analysis lectures using "plaintext" only 1368660;1452639607;jurov;but in the end, it is actually only shorthand. 1368661;1452639719;jurov;actually, having clear transcription rules between math symbols <-> plain english would be spiffy 1368662;1452639752;ascii_butugychat;it is 'only' shorthand in exactly the same sense that the letters on your screen are 'shorthand' for raw bits 1368663;1452639755;jurov;computer could render formulas from text, without relying on TeX or worse 1368664;1452639779;ascii_butugychat;could also wipe arse with tree bark 1368665;1452639781;ascii_butugychat;yes, could 1368666;1452639787;ascii_butugychat;or even not at all. 1368667;1452639790;ascii_butugychat;~could~ !!11 1368668;1452639797;ascii_butugychat;but WHY. 1368669;1452639808;jurov;and now, if that effort would run into problems, because math symbols are superset of written engl or some such 1368670;1452639818;jurov;*then* wwe can revisit the arguemnt 1368671;1452639830;ascii_butugychat;it is not only a matter of characters 1368672;1452639874;ascii_butugychat;(how to write integral? what if i want the stick longer? do i have to spend all day fitting the bloody thing to a grid?) 1368673;1452639893;jurov;wtf? 1368674;1452639940;ascii_butugychat;ever typeset maths ? 1368675;1452639989;trinque;why not invent operators all day in C++ ? and were you to explain the distinction between the two, the conversation would end right there. 1368676;1452640023;ascii_butugychat;trinque: c++ sucks and this is one reason why 1368677;1452640045;jurov;omg now they pull even c++ into the discussion 1368678;1452640056;trinque;for fucks sake. 1368679;1452640068;ascii_butugychat;a proper language lets you make operators, as in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103 where i solved mr mold's puzzle by turning a running cl into his language 1368680;1452640070;assbot;Loper OS » Nock Nock (Part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1W57c9X ) 1368681;1452640097;trinque;he is *not* a good example of someone creating a sane language 1368682;1452640109;trinque;took something that fits to sexps just fine, made HOON 1368683;1452640111;ascii_butugychat;not cited for that reason 1368684;1452640137;trinque;nock, rather. 1368685;1452640139;ascii_butugychat;but i ~was~ able to redefine square brackets, ?, ^, etc 1368686;1452640184;trinque;your example is that "I was able to wrangle someone else's nonsense with lisp" and I agree it does that rather well. 1368687;1452640213;ascii_butugychat;trinque: ever do any serious original mathematics ? 1368688;1452640215;trinque;if it is up to you entirely to invent the notation, I don't know why one would go to one with non-obvious evaluation order and all manner of other problems I thought lisp solved 1368689;1452640217;ascii_butugychat;or so much as attempt ? 1368690;1452640217;trinque;no, I have not 1368691;1452640228;trinque;and you are missing the part where I'm asking a damn question. 1368692;1452640230;trinque;lol 1368693;1452640231;ascii_butugychat;then i am trying to describe 'why musical staff' to deaf folk 1368694;1452640250;ascii_butugychat;who ask 'why not just write, do ra mi...' 1368695;1452640254;trinque;god that's another motherfucking terrible notation and I play music! 1368696;1452640277;ascii_butugychat;so does trinque fancy switching to verbal musical staff ? 1368697;1452640279;ascii_butugychat;do, ra, mi? 1368698;1452640332;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1368699;1452640392;ascii_butugychag;ty jurov. or let's go back to basic kindergarten, https://2000thingswpf.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/794-002.png?w=630 1368700;1452640393;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RB7Qgp ) 1368701;1452640410;ascii_butugychag;verbalize this for me. and explain why anyone outside of a mental asylum would want to manipulate the thing in that form. 1368702;1452640436;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with (a,b ; c,d) ? 1368703;1452640487;ascii_butugychag;that they are rows? of an inherently spatial thing ? 1368704;1452640492;ascii_butugychag;might represent, e.g., pixels ? 1368705;1452640503;trinque;can't write matrix multiplication in lisp eh? 1368706;1452640508;mircea_popescu;nope, can't be done. 1368707;1452640515;ascii_butugychag;can write in morse if you like 1368708;1452640519;ascii_butugychag;the thread concerned THINKING 1368709;1452640528;ascii_butugychag;as in, preferred format for manipulation. 1368710;1452640544;trinque;as for music I prefer a tracker, or yes, writing code to produce it 1368711;1452640576;ascii_butugychag;trinque: and your tracker is all-ascii, and runs on 'do, ra, mi' in paragraph form ? 1368712;1452640607;jurov;well, i thought thread concerns spreading of information and definition of alphabet 1368713;1452640621;ascii_butugychag;jurov: it was originally about 'whether maths require a graphics terminal' 1368714;1452640648;mircea_popescu;no, it was whether we'll be supporting anything but ascii 1368715;1452640654;ascii_butugychag;and the 'pdf must die and not replaced with anything like it' thing 1368716;1452640658;ascii_butugychag;procrustean lunacy 1368717;1452640664;ascii_butugychag;i am keeping my legs AND my head tyvm 1368718;1452640666;jurov;oh, that it very much does for 99 out of 100 thinkers 1368719;1452640683;jurov;that had math analysis lectures usign blackboard 1368720;1452640713;jurov;if math analysis was taught in lisp, that would maybe not be the case 1368721;1452640714;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368661 << rather. because it 'd be for once and all be an actually COMPLETE notation 1368722;1452640714;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 23:01:59; jurov: actually, having clear transcription rules between math symbols <-> plain english would be spiffy 1368723;1452640726;mircea_popescu;currently what alf counts as "notation" for math is roughly speaking a sort of c++ 1368724;1452640734;mircea_popescu;"kinda most of the stuff except what we don't understand" 1368725;1452640747;ascii_butugychag;it is imperfect 1368726;1452640750;ascii_butugychag;but it beats FUCKING WORDS 1368727;1452640756;mircea_popescu;no, it is not "imperfect". it is structurally broken 1368728;1452640773;mircea_popescu;and the argument that it "beats words" is not unlike the argument that clang "beats lisp" because "apple ipad!!11" 1368729;1452640780;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: kindly 'unbrokenize' http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368699 for me ? 1368730;1452640780;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 23:13:12; ascii_butugychag: ty jurov. or let's go back to basic kindergarten, https://2000thingswpf.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/794-002.png?w=630 1368731;1452640803;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you know that thing as displayed is actually meaningless. 1368732;1452640804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00049749 = 6.0196 BTC [-] {2} 1368733;1452640819;ascii_butugychag;it is most certainly ~not~ meaningless 1368734;1452640820;mircea_popescu;what's "dot" ? 1368735;1452640833;ascii_butugychag;it does not stand alone in an empty universe, no 1368736;1452640836;mircea_popescu;heh. 1368737;1452640842;ascii_butugychag;you gotta know some letters, what multiplication is, etc 1368738;1452640843;mircea_popescu;your idea of meaning is unexamined. 1368739;1452640874;ascii_butugychag;quite examined. 1368740;1452640900;mircea_popescu;what's the difference between the forty and the sixty pixel tall long line with the little vertical ends ? 1368741;1452640912;ascii_butugychag;just that i operate using an idea of meaning that lets me make things happen, occasionally, rather than having to stay in bed because we have not actually discovered REAL MEANING yet 1368742;1452640918;mircea_popescu;heh 1368743;1452640924;mircea_popescu;just like the c++ folks! 1368744;1452640929;mircea_popescu;IT JUST WORKS!11 1368745;1452640963;ascii_butugychag;with the difference that i don't have to catch stroustrup and hang him upside-down and soldering iron to get new mathematical notation when i need it... 1368746;1452640987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18585 @ 0.00050023 = 9.2968 BTC [+] {2} 1368747;1452640989;mircea_popescu;riiight. 1368748;1452641008;mircea_popescu;it's not only unspecified, it's also... unusable by a machine. because who the fuck knows when you'll feel the need for colored unicodemen 1368749;1452641014;jurov;mircea_popescu with all your hate of english why do you suddenly deem it fit to express math concepts unadorned? 1368750;1452641034;mircea_popescu;english is just broken romanian ie latin. 1368751;1452641052;mircea_popescu;for some reason most of my barbarian friends seem to prefer it! 1368752;1452641069;ascii_butugychag;jurov: my understanding is that mircea_popescu is so allergic to 'visual thinker'-ism that he barfs just thinking about any such thing being intrinsic to some aspect of whatever discipline 1368753;1452641081;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu prolly writes his electrical schematics as netlists every time, etc 1368754;1452641094;ascii_butugychag;specifies plans for a building using words, like kind solomon 1368755;1452641096;ascii_butugychag;*king 1368756;1452641100;ascii_butugychag;etc 1368757;1452641102;mircea_popescu;not even. it's just that i'm so allergic to "dynamically linked" bullshit that i barf at the very notion of a computing system that might need "expansions" because people don't want ot learn to read and write 1368758;1452641133;ascii_butugychag;why does it 'need expansions' ? 1368759;1452641139;mircea_popescu;do you understand that your computer is broken by design for as long as you allow the conceptual possibility of adding symbols ? 1368760;1452641155;ascii_butugychag;what's wrong with programmatic fonts ? 1368761;1452641170;mircea_popescu;nothing, as long as you don't expect me to run the program 1368762;1452641174;mircea_popescu;ie, they degrade gracefully. 1368763;1452641184;mircea_popescu;which is what started this entire discussion : pdf does not degrade gracefully 1368764;1452641188;mircea_popescu;and as such fucking burn it. 1368765;1452641195;ascii_butugychag;depends what means 'gracefully' 1368766;1452641208;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b64 1368767;1452641208;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b16 1368768;1452641209;mircea_popescu;that i can see the complete meaning in plain text whenever i opt to not run whatever program. 1368769;1452641209;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b65 1368770;1452641209;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b29 1368771;1452641210;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b27 1368772;1452641211;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b31 1368773;1452641212;ascii_butugychag;for some reason i wonder if mircea_popescu has watched 'ascii starwars' 1368774;1452641225;mircea_popescu;i have an ascii art plugin for mah video player ? 1368775;1452641233;ascii_butugychag;does it convey the complete 'meaning of starwars' ? 1368776;1452641237;mircea_popescu;which yes, i sometimes watch. 1368777;1452641244;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: iirc 'mplayer' does, aha 1368778;1452641244;mircea_popescu;oh, that's not a challenge. 1368779;1452641253;mircea_popescu;the complete meaning of star warsa can be conveyed in two lines. 1368780;1452641273;mircea_popescu;~= equivalent to all the rest of the us pulp, call it hubbard and send it home. 1368781;1452641347;mircea_popescu;as long as what we do is we take ((1,2),(2,3)) and either print it as such or else draw it for your benefit as seen there, if you run a plug in everyone's happy. 1368782;1452641377;jurov;how is adding symbols different from you taking a word and redefining it? 1368783;1452641391;jurov;you abhor former, yet do latter often 1368784;1452641396;mircea_popescu;if you expect to have a [ that scales to lines, we got a problem. there's not going to be any 244/245/179 bs 1368785;1452641418;mircea_popescu;jurov the later is actually part of the graph. i can not meaningfully search for a motherfucking dot. 1368786;1452641428;mircea_popescu;or for his dumbass arrows in the example given yest. 1368787;1452641440;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i did say many times that a canonical representation of whatever is, rightfully, sexpr 1368788;1452641459;mircea_popescu;so then we basically are happy with an alphabet of ~100 ish characters and that's that. 1368789;1452641466;jurov;well if I have to explore context what a word mean, well, then it is C++ too 1368790;1452641466;ascii_butugychag;but somehow this turned into 'let's do maths as euclid did, with WORDZ!111' 1368791;1452641494;mircea_popescu;jurov there's a difference between a proper existing ast, such as we have with words, unless we're idiots ; and a random gcc barf product. 1368792;1452641503;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag well cuz you paniced and lost it. 1368793;1452641555;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, english does NOT guarantee you a sane (disambiguated) AST. 1368794;1452641566;ascii_butugychag;i thought this was known to all. 1368795;1452641566;mircea_popescu;in myhands it does. 1368796;1452641577;jurov;even with best affort of the author, ast in the recipients varies 1368797;1452641584;jurov;*effort 1368798;1452641586;mircea_popescu;that's the luser's problem. 1368799;1452641589;jurov;for spoken english 1368800;1452641598;jurov;lol 1368801;1452641637;mircea_popescu;but be all this as it may, for as long as gossipd.pop | print yields ((1,2),(2,3)) for me while gossipd.pop | mathgraph yields whatever ascii wants it to yield, we're happy. 1368802;1452641637;jurov;ascii_butugychag: you see, quaternions are not in his wot and it's problem of the lusers who use it 1368803;1452641641;ascii_butugychag;actually english speakers are so habituated to this that they have problems with ANY attempt at 'english-parsing machine' 1368804;1452641659;ascii_butugychag;see the horrors in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 for instance 1368805;1452641660;assbot;Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1U578pU ) 1368806;1452641713;ascii_butugychag;jurov: if this were actually so, and he were consistent about 'in wot', would have to avoid, e.g., aircraft with computerized autopilot 1368807;1452641730;jurov;he surely tries 1368808;1452641735;ascii_butugychag;and eulora 1368809;1452641742;ascii_butugychag;with the quaternionic gpu 1368810;1452641765;mircea_popescu;you don't have to run the graphical client! for all it cares you can talk to it by hand. 1368811;1452641786;ascii_butugychag;but do you ? 1368812;1452641803;mircea_popescu;looky : run diana_coman's bot, turn of the gfx altogether, it's 100% bash 1368813;1452641842;ascii_butugychag;so the thing gracefully degrades to a text MUD? neato. 1368814;1452641850;mircea_popescu;aha. 1368815;1452641867;mircea_popescu;not by any means all my doing. but the design is sane and yes, it does. she's currently making a map of resources in practically this. 1368816;1452641897;ascii_butugychag;very spiffy 1368817;1452641904;*;ascii_butugychag always thought adventure games oughta work like this. 1368818;1452641910;mircea_popescu;makes two of us. 1368819;1452641928;mircea_popescu;and im not saying the gfx add-on is not helpful or w/e. but also not fucking mandatory. 1368820;1452641936;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me "oh i can not keep maps in head o noes" 1368821;1452641939;mircea_popescu;you playeds fucking rogue. 1368822;1452642018;ascii_butugychag;'advent' even ! 1368823;1452642063;mircea_popescu;!up RBL 1368824;1452642214;mircea_popescu;in fact, the eulora experience is very much in line with a lengthy personal history whereby very smart, well intentioned, patient people trying to cater to my shockingly insane whims and whines end up with exceptionally well crafted items that stand proudly on their own. 1368825;1452642311;deedbot-;[Qntra] Two US Navy Boats And Ten Sailors In Iranian Custody - http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/ 1368826;1452642317;mircea_popescu;awww 1368827;1452642379;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1368828;1452642512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3394 @ 0.00049968 = 1.6959 BTC [-] {2} 1368829;1452642573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24510 @ 0.00049758 = 12.1957 BTC [-] {2} 1368830;1452642724;BingoBoingo;!up linton_s_dawson 1368831;1452642727;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368659 << i used to. not proposing that everyone gotta be me, or anything. but yes, i used to. 1368832;1452642727;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 22:59:46; jurov: also, i can't imagine taking notes on math analysis lectures using "plaintext" only 1368833;1452642754;mircea_popescu;actually... when it came time for the cantor proof, the "work hard" galz tried to copy the whole fucking matrix off the table, and this made a meme at the time 1368834;1452642766;mircea_popescu;because nobody fucking sane actually thinks THAT is how you note down that thing. 1368835;1452642782;gabriel_laddel;hahhahahaa 1368836;1452642799;mircea_popescu;see the discussion with cads on the topic two years ago. the for ~ANY~ thing is what's important there. 1368837;1452642840;*;mircea_popescu braces himself for "number theory is not really analysis and you're not doing REAL math, only we multiplying matrixes while polishing lenses are doing the real maths!" 1368838;1452642872;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Silver at or over $19/oz before April - http://bitbet.us/bet/1200/silver-at-or-over-19-oz-before-april/#b30 1368839;1452643067;mircea_popescu;how goes gabriel_laddel 1368840;1452643128;gabriel_laddel;Fantastic at the moment. These logs are a treat. 1368841;1452643146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368682 << actually mold is a fine example of the hubbard/john smith sort of typically usian hack. took something, painted it, preteneded he made something. not unlike the derp that buys a ford truck, paints "lightning" on the sides, claims he build his own race car. 1368842;1452643146;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 23:08:29; trinque: took something that fits to sexps just fine, made HOON 1368843;1452643190;mircea_popescu;"oh, i'm not like those suckers working at pretending haskell is a thing ... i'm better than them... i'ma do the same thing by myself!!!!1" herp. 1368844;1452643759;gabriel_laddel;http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job1.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job2.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/job3.htm 1368845;1452643760;assbot;PORTALS OF CORPORATE INDECISION ... ( http://bit.ly/1UNdeup ) 1368846;1452643761;assbot;HOW TO FIND A JOB ... 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( http://bit.ly/1UNe3Uf ) 1368852;1452644443;phf;gabriel_laddel: i was drunk when answering you last time. i like the idea of a self-contained lisp system with ux built on top of xproto/xlib/zen, because can still attach c program outputs, and stream own output to unix systems proper. i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand. not sure if you know but x is essentially a binary network protocol (described in 1368853;1452644443;phf;variations of "X Window System Protocol" documents), with xlib being its C implementation. core protocol is pretty simple, but problems start with protocol extensions of various levels of retardation (like xinerama, etc.) 1368854;1452644470;phf;how xserver talks to hardware is entirely outside the scope of protocol, since server accepts the xproto packets and then does rendering 1368855;1452644546;phf;main problem with zen right now is that it does rendering, but it uses opengl (glx specifically) as the framebuffer. i've not looked at the implementation bits, but i assume that it goes beyond simple blit, so you might be able to retarget it to other opengl, but not necessarily straight to framebuffer, without implementing your own blit level rendering primitives 1368856;1452644624;phf;also zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox. in fact last time i checked it didn't support xrander, which is an old image composition extension that might as well be standard 1368857;1452645020;phf;!up gabriel_laddel 1368858;1452645140;gabriel_laddel;"i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand" << xlib windows that display what exactly? Large GUIs? Renderings of novel structures? 1368859;1452645246;phf;gabriel_laddel: gnuplot, xfoil kind of output, i.e. batch graphic, or anything that requires input with a mouse 1368860;1452645541;phf;i know you do clim, but running clim through zen is essentially simultaneously trying to debug two 70% speed/coverage projects. even simple handwritten xlib proggies don't work out of the box. 1368861;1452645762;mats;oh cads 1368862;1452645887;mats;we were almost finalized on a small project where he'd design a widget and send me 3d prints of the prototype 1368863;1452645910;mats;and then he disappeared forever (I didn't render any payment, though) 1368864;1452645928;mats;;;seen cads 1368865;1452645929;gribble;cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: being Professor Cads in an underground university 1368866;1452646359;gabriel_laddel;phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc, a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry". 1368867;1452646413;gabriel_laddel;phf: yes, debugging CLIM + zen at the same time is going to suck, but debugging CLIM + xlib sucks, and I have not yet compared the two to find out which is worse. 1368868;1452646464;gabriel_laddel;It seems like what you're getting at is that the correct order of affairs is to tackle zen first, and then CLIM? 1368869;1452646473;mircea_popescu;phf there is no native lisp gfx engine ? 1368870;1452646528;gabriel_laddel;Heh, define native. 1368871;1452646542;mircea_popescu;"opengl implemented in lisp" 1368872;1452646579;gabriel_laddel;No such thing. 1368873;1452646586;mircea_popescu;ahahahaahah what 1368874;1452646591;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not ? 1368875;1452646601;mircea_popescu;no, let me rephrase that. 1368876;1452646602;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: have you tried reading the OpenGL spec? 1368877;1452646610;mircea_popescu;why not back in 1999 when opengl was not even taking over yet ? 1368878;1452646621;mircea_popescu;im not the one that loves lisp. 1368879;1452646627;mircea_popescu;but yes, i know. 1368880;1452646631;phf;gabriel_laddel: i'm saying that it's only worthwhile to bring in zen if you want to ultimately do x11 support for foreign code. right now your problem is clim+xlib, you want your problem to be clim+xlib+zen+cl-opengl+glx. if the ultimate goal is drop x, then might as well try and retarget clim to framebuffer. the two (adding zen and framebuffer clim) or at 100% identical in the amount of effort 1368881;1452646633;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... 1368882;1452646652;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: they did. Symbolics. 1368883;1452646656;gabriel_laddel;S-GRAPHICS 1368884;1452646661;mircea_popescu;that wasn't opengl 1368885;1452646668;gabriel_laddel;phf: ah. 1368886;1452646690;gabriel_laddel;phf: Thanks. 1368887;1452646775;phf;mircea_popescu: i think that there's a bunch of people trying to chuck moore their way out of "modern computing" here, as such there's not native anything 1368888;1452646785;mircea_popescu;incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack 1368889;1452646800;phf;*people here 1368890;1452646819;mircea_popescu;phf you mean in lisp ? or what here ? 1368891;1452646832;phf;mircea_popescu: here as in in #b-a 1368892;1452646857;mircea_popescu;i dun follow. 1368893;1452646876;mircea_popescu;the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago 1368894;1452646879;mircea_popescu;because of what we do in ba ?! 1368895;1452646910;phf;mircea_popescu: oh, no, that was the answer to "there is no native lisp gfx engine?" 1368896;1452646925;mircea_popescu;there should have been long ago. wtf is this joek. 1368897;1452646965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9711 @ 0.00050556 = 4.9095 BTC [+] 1368898;1452647045;mircea_popescu;what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ? 1368899;1452647049;phf;everything talks to xlib, win32, carbon/cocoa and on top of that to opengl, directx. there are parts of that stack implemented in lisp (either as clients or as hosts). there's no opengl in lisp, there's opengl client in lisp. there's both xlib client and server in lisp, etc. there's not enough lisp code to run the whole graphics stack from the lisp machine to the video card end to end 1368900;1452647080;mircea_popescu;because lisp is so empowering and shit ? 1368901;1452647168;phf;mircea_popescu: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak? 1368902;1452647208;mircea_popescu;yeah well... this logic is broken. so lisp is good because, and i quote, "Because Lisp, as a tool, is to the mind as the lever is to the arm. It amplifies your power and enables you to embark on projects beyond the scope of lesser languages like C. Writing in C is like building a mosaic out of lentils using a tweezer and glue. Lisp is like wielding an air gun with power and precision. It opens out whole kingdoms 1368903;1452647208;mircea_popescu; shut to other programmers." 1368904;1452647222;mircea_popescu;meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp. 1368905;1452647229;mircea_popescu;are we in a singularity ? 1368906;1452647248;mircea_popescu;and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ? 1368907;1452647313;phf;mircea_popescu: oh they do, that's a common argument 1368908;1452647317;mircea_popescu;"take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack." 1368909;1452647330;mircea_popescu;a ? i guess teh summarizer's been sparing me. 1368910;1452647363;mircea_popescu;but what's the problem, anyway ? seems like this is an exact match for the argued strengths of lisp. 1368911;1452647402;mircea_popescu;(note that i'm not discussing performance. i'm not going hey, why doesn't lisp-gl push out 2x the fps of directx in 2001. just, it should be abel to do it, at all.) 1368912;1452647418;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: After SMBX died CL had to be re-implemented. 1368913;1452647420;mircea_popescu;i can readily understand why the ~performance~ issue is a true quagmire. 1368914;1452647452;gabriel_laddel;non-CL lispers by-and-large, fail to understand why they're using lisp at all. 1368915;1452647469;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ? 1368916;1452647583;gabriel_laddel;Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it" 1368917;1452647599;mircea_popescu;... 1368918;1452647604;gabriel_laddel;Then, inevitably, the foundations change. 1368919;1452647694;gabriel_laddel;No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them. 1368920;1452647774;gabriel_laddel;As for why a lisper didn't write his own OS from ASM? Well, you've read Stan's blog. 1368921;1452647884;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368871 << this makes roughly as much sense as 'cobol in lisp' 1368922;1452647884;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 00:55:42; mircea_popescu: "opengl implemented in lisp" 1368923;1452647886;asciilifeform;yes, you could. 1368924;1452647888;asciilifeform;but WHY?!! 1368925;1452647892;mircea_popescu;!rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable. 1368926;1452647892;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a51dd4d25310674e 1368927;1452647918;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.chetty.10:e7478a460e183d3fe8a22a4aa41725df6b948a37e9a333aa5c13d44d44e3683a 1368928;1452647919;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for chetty from 5 to 10 with note: No longer with us, and not replaceable. 1368929;1452647923;asciilifeform;and opengl is a heathen thing anyway, because there is no documented gpu. 1368930;1452647929;phf;mircea_popescu: there's a limited number of lispers and they all scratch their own itch. without centralized visions results barely compose. gabriel_laddel needs working clim for his projects. robert strandh only occasionally hacks on mcclim anymore, spends most of his time on n-th rewrite of emacs, etc. and of course there are arguments of what the components should be and how they should compose. the only common ground is the 1368931;1452647929;phf;specification and some symbolics artifacts 1368932;1452647967;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368884 << no shit, the braindamaged opengl thing had not been yet conceived of then 1368933;1452647967;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 00:57:41; mircea_popescu: that wasn't opengl 1368934;1452647998;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368888 << define away. who will produce ? 1368935;1452647998;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 00:59:45; mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack 1368936;1452648090;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368893 << this is demonstrably false, and wtf, 'power rangers', smbx had a 100% lispified 3d accelerator in the '80s. 1368937;1452648090;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:01:16; mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago 1368938;1452648125;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368898 << lisp in '95-05 is roughly where ru was in '90s - laments and vodka 1368939;1452648125;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:04:05; mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ? 1368940;1452648129;asciilifeform;and could not have been anything else 1368941;1452648165;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ? 1368942;1452648165;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:02; mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp. 1368943;1452648170;asciilifeform;do i have to chew it into small pieces ? 1368944;1452648233;gabriel_laddel;Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead. 1368945;1452648242;gabriel_laddel;Why, stan, are threads a bad idea? 1368946;1452648248;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368906 << forget gpu, there is not a usefully lispified driver for ANYTHING ELSE in x86 hardware ! and for reasons that have to do with how the idiot architecture is built (can i haz atomic lisp operation? no, because interrupts on x86. i wasted most of a decade on this) 1368947;1452648248;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:28; mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ? 1368948;1452648267;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368908 << 'give si fab and then we talk' 1368949;1452648267;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:08:37; mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack." 1368950;1452648327;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368919 << because there is no standard hardware platform. 1368951;1452648327;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:14:54; gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them. 1368952;1452648337;asciilifeform;and no sign of such a thing being buildable 1368953;1452648368;*;asciilifeform just notices: 1368954;1452648373;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925 << !! 1368955;1452648373;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable. 1368956;1452648376;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 1368957;1452648416;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368944 << i'll leave it to gabriel_laddel, adlai, et al, i've not the time or energy. 1368958;1452648416;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:23:53; gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead. 1368959;1452648512;phf;here's an s-graphics made animation instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTGJChDKrM 1368960;1452648513;assbot;CHARLES RANDALL - " The Minds Eye - # 7 " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcpb7f ) 1368961;1452648543;asciilifeform;phf: more famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE 1368962;1452648544;assbot;Stanley & Stella in Breaking the Ice (1987) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcpcbo ) 1368963;1452648594;asciilifeform;^ and those swarms were properly computed, even 1368964;1452649775;*;asciilifeform patiently waits for mircea_popescu post concerning http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925 1368965;1452649775;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable. 1368966;1452651221;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368380 << makes sense, i suspected this 1368967;1452651221;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 18:41:01; kakobrekla: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/155WRJA.txt 1368968;1452651222;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368969;1452651361;kakobrekla;aha 1368970;1452652105;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski hey, got your msg. hit me up when you're around. 1368971;1452652105;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1368972;1452652150;mod6;asciilifeform takes off hat << oh no! 1368973;1452654635;deedbot-;[Trilema] And now the story has an ending. - http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/ 1368974;1452655342;kakobrekla;she will be missed 1368975;1452655425;mod6;indeed 1368976;1452657320;deedbot-;[Qntra] In Memoriam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/in-memoriam/ 1368977;1452657335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25107 @ 0.00050692 = 12.7272 BTC [+] {3} 1368978;1452657579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050779 = 9.9527 BTC [+] {2} 1368979;1452659177;mircea_popescu;thanks. 1368980;1452661752;*;BingoBoingo just successfully debuged clock-radio 1368981;1452661832;BingoBoingo;turns out it was too close to transformer 1368982;1452663328;BingoBoingo;In lighter news https://i.imgur.com/1k6zUyn.png 1368983;1452663329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL8AxS ) 1368984;1452663518;pete_dushenski;if that's light i dun wanna be heavy 1368985;1452664095;BingoBoingo;lol pete_dushenski 1368986;1452664349;pete_dushenski;anyone else sombrely, slowly reading through http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-12.log.html#t12:05:36 with (perhaps not so) strange solemnity ? 1368987;1452664350;assbot;#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2016-01-12 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLa9fg ) 1368988;1452664406;pete_dushenski;rip chetty. 1368989;1452664779;pete_dushenski;i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew. 1368990;1452664859;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/ 1368991;1452664859;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 13:36:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society. 1368992;1452664861;assbot;Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 ) 1368993;1452665250;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/ 1368994;1452665250;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 22:24:10; punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently 1368995;1452665251;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 :: 0.94 B (31%) on Yes, 2.09 B (69%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 weeks | weight: 64`877 (100`000 to 2`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkQi8 ) 1368996;1452665256;pete_dushenski;fwiw 1368997;1452665298;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1368998;1452665299;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.64, Best ask: 428.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 427.84, 24 hour volume: 39860.64921575, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 449.98, 24 hour vwap: None 1368999;1452666053;pete_dushenski;apparently usb drives still come formatted in 'fat' which doesn't seem to like files >12gb, apparently. 1369000;1452666070;pete_dushenski;apparently ! 1369001;1452666103;pete_dushenski;'journaled' seems to be the ticket. 1369002;1452666124;pete_dushenski;can't say i've ever had to reformat a usb drive for that... 1369003;1452666136;pete_dushenski;before the blockchain, that is 1369004;1452666161;pete_dushenski;is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ? 1369005;1452666590;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1334322 << i did it again, didn't i... fuckin eh... 1369006;1452666590;assbot;Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ? 1369007;1452666751;pete_dushenski;oh, i see what happened now. nvm me... 1369008;1452667101;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1240/cardano-to-ship-before-xmas-2016/ << heh 1369009;1452667101;assbot;BitBet - Cardano to Ship before Xmas 2016 :: 0.07 B (8%) on Yes, 0.76 B (92%) on No | closing in 10 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`845 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ohtget ) 1369010;1452667602;*;BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams. 1369011;1452668042;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: How much longer do you plan to be awake? 1369012;1452668054;pete_dushenski;maybe an hour 1369013;1452668090;BingoBoingo;Ah 1369014;1452668124;*;BingoBoingo searching for an ulbricht appeal pdf that isn't locked into scribd 1369015;1452668288;BingoBoingo;scribd breaks my gas mask 1369016;1452669287;pete_dushenski;"Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history." 1369017;1452669301;pete_dushenski;" The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined." 1369018;1452669348;copypaste;North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea. 1369019;1452669352;copypaste;yawn 1369020;1452669381;copypaste;"X is the best according to X" 1369021;1452669407;copypaste;And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials 1369022;1452669407;pete_dushenski;"and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!" 1369023;1452669426;pete_dushenski;(all but last quote via, yes, bahamas) 1369024;1452669453;copypaste;I could tell without an attribution, it has his typical bravado backed by nothing 1369025;1452669514;pete_dushenski;you know your muppets 1369026;1452669531;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ulbricht Appellate Brief Filed - http://qntra.net/2016/01/ulbricht-appellate-brief-filed/ 1369027;1452669557;BingoBoingo;ty goes to pete_dushenski for gopping places my gas mask clog 1369028;1452669629;pete_dushenski;i might not kill enough people around here, but i know how to handle myself in harsh environments 1369029;1452669719;BingoBoingo;Diaper duty will do that I am told 1369030;1452669753;pete_dushenski;quite so 1369031;1452670260;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/#comment-39002 1369032;1452670260;assbot;Two US Navy Boats And Ten Sailors In Iranian Custody | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cotp ) 1369033;1452670397;pete_dushenski;is it just me or does joseph biden look an awful lot like karl lagerfeld with those high white dress shirt collars ? eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Joe-Biden-or-Karl-Lagerfeld-.png 1369034;1452670402;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cyRi ) 1369035;1452671330;davout;pete_dushenski: there definitely is something 1369036;1452671375;pete_dushenski;must be the angle 1369037;1452671403;pete_dushenski;or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l 1369038;1452672437;*;pete_dushenski on to the next one 1369039;1452673926;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1F65SGC.txt 1369040;1452673928;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsE95s ) 1369041;1452673928;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369042;1452674099;*;adlai expresses solidarity in grief for a woman he never knew; "Poo-tee-weet?" 1369043;1452674240;adlai;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368945 << if you have to ask, you've never https://archive.is/n0n34 1369044;1452674240;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea? 1369045;1452674241;assbot;Matthew Veety on Twitter: "@maybekatz I've probs said this before but thank you for making chanl. It's the best thing ever." ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqmK2V ) 1369046;1452674241;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369047;1452674457;*;adlai helps the literately-challenged members of the audience: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/e5/9e/e3e59e8e78957abcda2a7de317c8582f.jpg (now go read the remaining #'butlast pages, it's but a shingle shitting's worth) 1369048;1452674458;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsFwBc ) 1369049;1452675689;copypaste;Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy 1369050;1452675692;assbot;Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X ) 1369051;1452675702;adlai;what's cryptsy? 1369052;1452675727;copypaste;Cryptsy is an exchange where you can trade real Bitcoins (and Pushcoins) for virtually any shitty coin imaginable, even those with no running clients. 1369053;1452675787;copypaste;For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin". 1369054;1452675843;copypaste;In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy. 1369055;1452675855;copypaste;Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything a few hours ago. 1369056;1452676088;adlai;!s sarchasm 1369057;1452676089;assbot;1 results for 'sarchasm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sarchasm 1369058;1452676104;copypaste;hehehe 1369059;1452676124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.0005053 = 1.8039 BTC [-] 1369060;1452676172;*;adlai suddenly remembers MPExists, changes opinion re:tradespam, goes back to work 1369061;1452677832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5637 @ 0.0005053 = 2.8484 BTC [-] 1369062;1452679186;jurov;sad news. but what a life! 1369063;1452679328;jurov;and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner 1369064;1452679470;jurov;(i went by train so no big deal) 1369065;1452680308;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b9 1369066;1452680699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8539 @ 0.00050835 = 4.3408 BTC [+] {2} 1369067;1452681887;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b19 1369068;1452682143;copypaste;;;nethash 1369069;1452682144;gribble;886939250.494 1369070;1452682438;jurov;;;later tell davout maybe i'm blind but where's paymium api, like vwap? 1369071;1452682438;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369072;1452682619;jurov;advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap 1369073;1452682620;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZkdemU ) 1369074;1452682933;jurov;And since I want to make an agreement with customers based on paymium price (instead of some wannabe indexes), 1369075;1452682935;jurov;i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown. 1369076;1452684839;davout;jurov: vwap is 24h 1369077;1452684885;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369075 <<< not exactly sure what you mean 1369078;1452684885;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 11:02:15; jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown. 1369079;1452684957;jurov;when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such? 1369080;1452685705;davout;we don't archive it 1369081;1452685733;davout;i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me 1369082;1452685817;jurov;it would be very useful, thanks. 1369083;1452686385;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b28 1369084;1452687878;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 6.26374519 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b10 1369085;1452687878;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.99900000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b20 1369086;1452688095;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski that's nice to know. thanks pete. 1369087;1452688095;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369088;1452688166;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368941 << you'll have to bear with me, my hair is pointy and my comprehension ponderous. 1369089;1452688166;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ? 1369090;1452688208;mircea_popescu;but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it. 1369091;1452688582;davout;no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp 1369092;1452688582;assbot;Assemblée nationale ~ RÉPUBLIQUE NUMÉRIQUE(no 3318) - Amendement no 92 ... ( http://bit.ly/22Z6gZc ) 1369093;1452688595;davout;"Les constructeurs de matériel doivent prendre en compte dans leurs constructions la nécessité de donner aux forces de l’ordre, dans le cadre d’une enquête judiciaire et après autorisation d’un juge, l’accès aux matériels." 1369094;1452688596;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as french hardware ?! 1369095;1452688634;davout;some women make my wares hard 1369096;1452688639;mircea_popescu;lol 1369097;1452688667;davout;and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors 1369098;1452688677;davout;enough of this 1369099;1452688678;mircea_popescu;o la la 1369100;1452688848;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!" 1369101;1452688848;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined." 1369102;1452689056;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369091 << guess he'll have to stop pgping on that minitel console... 1369103;1452689056;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 12:36:22; davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp 1369104;1452689061;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant 1369105;1452689061;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 13:49:39; mircea_popescu: why even bother with the phone after that ? 1369106;1452689102;mircea_popescu;so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ? 1369107;1452689108;mircea_popescu;do they have any words for insanity in your language ? 1369108;1452689130;*;asciilifeform exists, possibly, to make ben_vulpes look sane 1369109;1452689214;mircea_popescu;not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought. 1369110;1452689218;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots 1369111;1452689218;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 10:02:08; jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner 1369112;1452689245;ben_vulpes;it was the most direct short on the startup market id found pre btc 1369113;1452689254;mircea_popescu;i can see it ben_vulpes . 1369114;1452689276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im pretty sure jurov and chet met, i have this memory of hanging out and smoking. 1369115;1452689461;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things 1369116;1452689461;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it. 1369117;1452689465;ben_vulpes;furthermore, it is the only cashflow positive short against the startup market. 1369118;1452689474;ben_vulpes;well, *a* cashflow positive one. 1369119;1452689483;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 18.64000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b21 1369120;1452689544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00050659 = 1.2918 BTC [-] {2} 1369121;1452689631;*;asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... 1369122;1452689645;mircea_popescu;enjoy! 1369123;1452689650;ben_vulpes;ganbatte 1369124;1452689765;mircea_popescu;"Постарайся", именно в этой форме, а не "старайся". 1369125;1452689846;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369054 << o shit, does this mean de gig is up ? 1369126;1452689846;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 09:04:03; copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy. 1369127;1452689847;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369128;1452690072;ben_vulpes;heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse 1369129;1452690111;ben_vulpes;"seriously we am serious with very serious footer!" 1369130;1452690182;mircea_popescu;serious (r) - i can't believe it's not seriouse! 1369131;1452690187;mircea_popescu;!s seriouse 1369132;1452690188;assbot;1 results for 'seriouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seriouse 1369133;1452690215;mircea_popescu;hmm that's odd. 1369134;1452690231;ben_vulpes;;;seen thickasthieves 1369135;1452690232;gribble;thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: but you da boss 1369136;1452690275;ben_vulpes;the self-eulogies are funny too 1369137;1452690282;ben_vulpes;;;seen artifexd 1369138;1452690282;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1369139;1452690311;ben_vulpes;;;seen ninjashogun 1369140;1452690311;gribble;ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.) 1369141;1452690322;ben_vulpes;heh 1369142;1452690631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably. 1369143;1452690700;mircea_popescu;and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country. 1369144;1452690708;mircea_popescu;at least in europe, at any rate. 1369145;1452690861;jurov;;;seen chetty 1369146;1452690862;gribble;chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream 1369147;1452690864;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369079 << you could play observer, sign and deed it. alternatively you could just archive.is, but i suspect that'll get gnarly. 1369148;1452690864;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 11:35:57; jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such? 1369149;1452690884;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369131 << http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aindiancandy1+seri* ? 1369150;1452690884;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 13:03:07; mircea_popescu: !s seriouse 1369151;1452690885;assbot;8 results for 'from:indiancandy1 seri*' - #bitcoin-assets search 1369152;1452690906;mircea_popescu;oh darn. thx. 1369153;1452691191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00050836 = 7.8287 BTC [+] 1369154;1452691321;*;adlai would calculate p-values but 'math is hard' 1369155;1452691335;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b22 1369156;1452691492;jurov;http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha 1369157;1452691493;assbot;Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW ) 1369158;1452691544;jurov;"However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit." 1369159;1452691620;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.29182984 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b17 1369160;1452692128;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: rip chetty?! 1369161;1452692137;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1369162;1452692144;ben_vulpes;alas. 1369163;1452692272;jurov;mircea_popescu: chetty was on second timisoara meeting, too? 1369164;1452692277;shinohai;!s http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops 1369165;1452692277;assbot;BlackBerry PGP handsets 'cracked' by Dutch cyber cops - IT News from V3.co.uk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rlw6mk ) 1369166;1452692278;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v3.co.uk%2Fv3-uk%2Fnews%2F2441666%2Fblackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops 1369167;1452692313;mircea_popescu;jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff. 1369168;1452692357;jurov;because i'm sure i have missed eulora demo (again due to later arrival) 1369169;1452692366;mircea_popescu;ah 1369170;1452692390;mircea_popescu;but i recall us two discussing wao, for instance. 1369171;1452692421;jurov;um, that is possible 1369172;1452692451;mircea_popescu;an' therefore you must've met. 1369173;1452693042;mircea_popescu;"I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)" 1369174;1452693050;mircea_popescu;lol hard to not appreciate teh mazepath. 1369175;1452693122;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.89167341 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b31 1369176;1452693722;mircea_popescu;"Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm." 1369177;1452693723;mircea_popescu;"This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?" 1369178;1452693723;mircea_popescu;"That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer 1369179;1452693727;mircea_popescu;ation." 1369180;1452693729;mircea_popescu;"Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea." 1369181;1452693732;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1369182;1452693734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here! 1369183;1452693737;mircea_popescu;WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE! 1369184;1452693798;mircea_popescu;the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/ 1369185;1452693804;mircea_popescu;guy actually knows wtf he's talking about. 1369186;1452694058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00050836 = 4.1177 BTC [+] 1369187;1452694607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050212 = 9.3394 BTC [-] {5} 1369188;1452696478;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b67 1369189;1452696701;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again 1369190;1452696702;assbot;US intelligence boss phone and personal email were hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1SOwHfU ) 1369191;1452696978;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#b8 1369192;1452697681;thestringpuller;asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... << i'm going to use this to define "uranium mines" to people 1369193;1452698350;thestringpuller;;;nethash 1369194;1452698351;gribble;886485320.427 1369195;1452698954;thestringpuller;;;calc ( (416666666.667 / 1000 / 1000) / 4.6 ) * 1800 1369196;1452698955;gribble;163043.478261 1369197;1452698966;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1369198;1452698967;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.76, Best ask: 428.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 428.95, 24 hour volume: 40576.26464751, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 448.1, 24 hour vwap: None 1369199;1452698981;thestringpuller;;;calc 163043.478261 / 428.76 1369200;1452698982;gribble;380.267464924 1369201;1452698998;thestringpuller;^- estimated btc for 0.5% of hashpower 1369202;1452699731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11090 @ 0.00050836 = 5.6377 BTC [+] 1369203;1452700116;thestringpuller;however it looks like no new miner could break even at current prices. (Break even in: infinity days) 1369204;1452700585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050836 = 1.5759 BTC [+] 1369205;1452701347;mircea_popescu;retail is for suckers. 1369206;1452701376;mircea_popescu;"The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now. 1369207;1452701581;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1369208;1452701625;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11 1369209;1452701625;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now. 1369210;1452701651;mircea_popescu;... 1369211;1452701661;mircea_popescu;you'll have to decide if you want those salesmen networking or not. 1369212;1452701724;mircea_popescu;what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER. 1369213;1452701761;mircea_popescu;insufficiently humiliated girlhood births monsters. 1369214;1452701956;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time... 1369215;1452701956;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here! 1369216;1452701974;ascii_butugychag;i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs. 1369217;1452701992;ascii_butugychag;a problem i had when first showed up, like, i suspect, many folk 1369218;1452702007;mircea_popescu;i guess so, huh. 1369219;1452702020;ascii_butugychag;as, possibly, taleb, et al 1369220;1452702023;mircea_popescu;"this, too, shall pass." 1369221;1452702029;ascii_butugychag;old timers are especially allergic to real-time anything 1369222;1452702037;ascii_butugychag;i was sorta on the cusp of this. 1369223;1452702063;mircea_popescu;"Uncle Al's next first job, four years later, was industrial. Uncle Al was to isolate kerogen (the "not anything like oil") in Colorado oil shale (a calcareous marlstone, not shale). Low rank coal organics are like cured epoxy. They ain't comin' out. The literature was rife with researchers who tortured oil shale then sang like vultures about presumed stuff extracted. Uncle Al dissolved the rock to leave the kerogen. ( 1369224;1452702063;mircea_popescu;"Orthogonal reactivity" to folks in lab coats, "idiot idea" to idiots in suits.) It was his first Personnel file Pink sheet! He wasn't supposed to succeed." 1369225;1452702069;mircea_popescu;reads like the fucking soviets. 1369226;1452702091;mircea_popescu;this isn't really real-time. this is "alligned apperture time". 1369227;1452702094;mircea_popescu;or rather, allignable. 1369228;1452702099;ascii_butugychag;and yes, it shall pass, and with it shall pass the last folks who know how to generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate... 1369229;1452702213;mircea_popescu;"The next first job was creating ophthalmic implants. How is a 5 micron diameter hole drilled through 500 microns of implantable Plexiglas contact lens? It isn't. Nothing can drill such a 100:1 aspect ratio hole. Uncle Al put about 500 7 micron diameter holes through a foot-long Plexiglas rod, the long way, and said "dice it." Holes are a stuff problem, science: vacuum cast glass wool in plastic, dice, then dissolve ou 1369230;1452702214;mircea_popescu;t with aqueous NH4HF2. Engineering diddles things: computers, excimer lasers, and business lunches. It was a Pink solution." 1369231;1452702220;mircea_popescu;ok this is what sheer genius is. 1369232;1452702227;mircea_popescu;"turn the fucking spoon around, idjits" 1369233;1452702250;ascii_butugychag;its straight out of altshuller's book 1369234;1452702256;ascii_butugychag;i once sent al a scan, he appreciated. 1369235;1452702286;ascii_butugychag;!s suddenly the inventor 1369236;1452702287;assbot;5 results for 'suddenly the inventor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suddenly+the+inventor 1369237;1452702299;ascii_butugychag;thing had whole chapter on inversions 1369238;1452702506;mircea_popescu;inversion being possibly the most important intellectual activity. 1369239;1452702531;mircea_popescu;half the time when someone talking to me here suddenly gets that sinking feeling in his gut and rug flies out from under feet, what had just happened was precisely an inversion. 1369240;1452702582;mircea_popescu;the other possibly most important intellectual activity is ironically ALSO displayed in the piece : classification 1369241;1452702591;mircea_popescu;"this is a that. that is a this. stop mixing this and that idjits!" 1369242;1452702646;ascii_butugychag;'suddenly the inventor appeared' is the only actually worthwhile book on heuristics i know of. 1369243;1452702658;ascii_butugychag;i was given it as a small child 1369244;1452703193;mircea_popescu;having run some math... i suspect he is actually correct in the absolute. ie, nothing can for physical reasons drill 5 micron holes in half micrometer lens. 1369245;1452703222;mircea_popescu;make it a few mm squared and you can etch, yes. but... 1369246;1452703255;ascii_butugychag;this is well-known 1369247;1452703261;ascii_butugychag;which is why, e.g., syringe needles, are drawn 1369248;1452703276;mircea_popescu;well im not in fine mfging what can i sya 1369249;1452703575;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b68 1369250;1452703915;mircea_popescu;Do opposite shoes vacuum free fall nonidentically? << they do, actually. 1369251;1452703925;mircea_popescu;difference in angular gravitational momentum 1369252;1452703967;mircea_popescu;i suppose by "vacuum" one might mean "in the book universe where mass exists in points etc". 1369253;1452704043;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1369254;1452704053;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: this was the eotvos thing 1369255;1452704055;ascii_butugychag;!s eotvos 1369256;1452704056;assbot;21 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos 1369257;1452704063;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i noticed the image aha 1369258;1452704358;deedbot-;[Qntra] Mining Difficulty Already Up 9.12% This Year - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mining-difficulty-already-up-9-12-this-year/ 1369259;1452704384;BingoBoingo; Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy << Scammer's don't get to pick their narrative 1369260;1452704390;assbot;Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X ) 1369261;1452704794;mircea_popescu;"Economists do the economy as psychologists do the mind. A watershed of data is statistically manipulated. Miserably intricate deeply parameterized speculative theory is fit to data, protected from criticism by complexity. Extrapolations are made. Official predictions are absurd versus observed reality. Economists scream "heteroskedasticity!" and demand multi-$trillion Federal bailouts. Psychologists disdain irrelevanc 1369262;1452704795;mircea_popescu;e in a discipline that is self-defined relevant." 1369263;1452704813;mircea_popescu;myeah. the "global warming" bullshit is merely the more visible application of an otherwise historical pseudoscientific process 1369264;1452704872;mircea_popescu;!up paparazzi 1369265;1452704951;paparazzi;hello 1369266;1452704990;paparazzi;!up 1369267;1452705032;thestringpuller;!gettrust paparazzi 1369268;1452705032;assbot;paparazzi is not registered in WoT. 1369269;1452705073;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b69 1369270;1452705080;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: arguably same process as lysenko 1369271;1452705084;paparazzi;I am still confused 1369272;1452705094;ascii_butugychag;(and not, as often supposed, medieval theology - as it did not have totalitarian apparatus attached) 1369273;1452705098;mircea_popescu;hardly. lysenko had... passion. these twerps just talk about it. 1369274;1452705121;ascii_butugychag;the 1960s enviro-whiners who started the current wave, also had 'passion' 1369275;1452705126;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone saw "the witches of eastwick" ? yet another of nicholson's signature porn stuff. 1369276;1452705127;ascii_butugychag;modern enforcers do not, and need not 1369277;1452705200;mircea_popescu;the man started in "the raven" and has been doing the same thing ever since : playing the devilishly dangerous lone male in a world of boring, twaddled middle aged women. 1369278;1452705240;mircea_popescu;goes nicely with the valium for the worthless female subculture of the 80s. sort-of like stoner movies, for a different holstein. 1369279;1452705295;trinque;paparazzi: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1369280;1452705297;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1369281;1452705363;mircea_popescu;"Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes." ahahaha lovely put. 1369282;1452705420;ascii_butugychag;'first ecstacy - then laundry.' -- also al 1369283;1452705427;mircea_popescu;nah that's much older. 1369284;1452705435;mircea_popescu;incidentally, you read this bit with the crystals ? behold! 1369285;1452705449;mircea_popescu;"Memory cannot be found because it is not localized, nor does it exist as such. One felicitous memory model is the amorphous glassy metal alloy Ce3Al. Melt-spun alloy passes all local and global tests (HRTEM, ED, XRD, 2D XRD) for random order. Load a diamond anvil cell with a 50x40x15 micron3 sample. At 3,539,000 psi it remains amorphous. At 3,626,000 psi it is a single crystal. Science 332(6036) 1404 (2011), "Long-ran 1369286;1452705449;mircea_popescu;ge topological order in metallic glasses." 1369287;1452705449;mircea_popescu;Devitrifying a glass into crystals is wholly unremarkable. Given the opportunity, solids will descend into their lowest energy state at equilibrium - a crystal. This offers large families of glass-ceramic wonder materials, plus sporadic glassblower loud profanity. That glasses exist at all is also unremarkable. Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes. The problem is scale. 1369288;1452705454;mircea_popescu;Atomic bonding does its thing at a scale of angstrom lengths. A 50x40x15 micron sample is (5x105)x(4x105)x(1.5x105) angstroms3 or 3x1016 3. How does random structure spontaneously quickly order in a discontinuous transition to sharp diffraction lines (XRD) and spots (2D XRD), with such mammoth amplification? There is no global information! Thermal devitrification at 200C affords a hexagonal symmetry finely polycrys 1369289;1452705458;mircea_popescu;talline product not a face-centered cubic single crystal. 1369290;1452705461;mircea_popescu;The noise that was observed as random structure was not itself random. It contained topological order, a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together. Supercomputer simulation of 24,000 cerium atoms plus 8000 aluminum atoms with or without the topological footnote added is enlightening. Plot respective structure factors against the reciprocal space vector for each case. The curves are identical! Where is the inform 1369291;1452705466;mircea_popescu;ation? It is everywhere, but in no particular place." 1369292;1452705475;mircea_popescu;methinks the real meta-nsa might well be santa claus1 1369293;1452705481;mircea_popescu;have you been good alfie ? 1369294;1452705486;ascii_butugychag;horrid 1369295;1452705493;mircea_popescu;well... 1369296;1452705502;ascii_butugychag;!s roboclaus 1369297;1452705502;assbot;0 results for 'roboclaus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roboclaus 1369298;1452705507;ascii_butugychag;;;google roboclaus 1369299;1452705508;gribble;Mrazek shows off RoboClaus, Howard rocks 'ugly sweater' on great ...: ; Robo Claus - Thomas Radcliffe: ; Robot Santa Claus - Futurama Wiki - Wikia: 1369300;1452705515;mircea_popescu;honestly, i always suspected randomness is not merely "not a property of numbers", but altogether not a thing. 1369301;1452705527;mircea_popescu;this is the view say danielpbarron would be held to hold anyway. 1369302;1452705538;ascii_butugychag;it is a thing in the sense that 'enemy' is a thing 1369303;1452705546;mircea_popescu;and no further sense than that. 1369304;1452705560;ascii_butugychag;fortunately we don't need the other senses for anything 1369305;1452705567;ascii_butugychag;at least ~i~ don't 1369306;1452705569;mircea_popescu;whoever sits closer to the rng in the sky prints all the money. 1369307;1452705595;mircea_popescu;at any rate this has been in fact the history of life on earth to date. 1369308;1452705637;mircea_popescu;"a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together" << and yet he hates obama. 1369309;1452705683;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1369310;1452705706;mircea_popescu;obviously, not altogether for the reasons the idiots who are incapable to love anything like to pretend those who could love don't. 1369311;1452705726;ascii_butugychag;http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty. 1369312;1452705738;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes, adlai, phf, gabriel_laddel, et al ^ 1369313;1452705797;mircea_popescu;takes 4eva to load 1369314;1452705822;ascii_butugychag;i think it just now choked 1369315;1452705832;ascii_butugychag;damn. 1369316;1452705853;ascii_butugychag;my 'midas touch'... 1369317;1452705931;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1369318;1452705987;ascii_butugychag;apparently amd actually started proving their alu with acl2, in reaction to the intel fdiv scandal 1369319;1452706006;ascii_butugychag;back in the day. 1369320;1452706019;mircea_popescu;yup 1369321;1452706108;ascii_butugychag;(note that the proofs don't need to be about a commonlisp program per se, but anything that can be expressed as one) 1369322;1452706246;mircea_popescu;"Genrich Altshuller, TRIZ, And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared. Orthodoxy excludes discovery. Heterodox observation falsifies assumed knowledge. Validation studies are bottle washing and button sorting. All discovery is insubordination. Management exists to kill the future, for the only trusted employee is one whose sole marketable asset is loyalty." << o look even mentions him. 1369323;1452706266;mircea_popescu;but the management dig is, if perhaps justified by personal experience, nevertheless on the level of "all men are pigs". 1369324;1452706276;mircea_popescu;what does it say of you, that only pigs wish to sleep with you ? 1369325;1452706427;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 7.92120897 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b23 1369326;1452706468;mircea_popescu;"Hippies' marijuana and hallucinogens had interesting outputs; slums' opiates, crack, and crystal meth less so." << yeah, because you apriorily decided you wish to fuck a hippie chick not a filipina brothel slave. that's all. 1369327;1452706535;ascii_butugychag;what's she output? 1369328;1452706543;mircea_popescu;moans. just like the other. 1369329;1452706559;ascii_butugychag;the other outputs also other things 1369330;1452706564;mircea_popescu;not so. 1369331;1452706571;ascii_butugychag;theorems 1369332;1452706574;ascii_butugychag;etc 1369333;1452706580;mircea_popescu;name a hippie theoremist. 1369334;1452706584;ascii_butugychag;or what, this only happens on my planet 1369335;1452706591;mircea_popescu;what, we're going to have a franklin vs baez dispute now ? 1369336;1452706598;ascii_butugychag;i can't name a philipina moanist, either.. 1369337;1452706628;mircea_popescu;yes, you can, because you've seen her in jackie brown. 1369338;1452706635;*;ascii_butugychag hasn't 1369339;1452706680;mircea_popescu;what do you think pam grier did with her youth, pre tarantino travolting her career ? 1369340;1452706717;*;ascii_butugychag recognized only one name in this sentence, tarantino 1369341;1452706719;mircea_popescu;oh, not seen the big bird cage either ? 1369342;1452706722;ascii_butugychag;nope 1369343;1452706734;mircea_popescu;yes. well... 1369344;1452706735;ascii_butugychag;hard to do, at the bottom of a mine shaft 1369345;1452706761;mircea_popescu;how about "women in cages" ? guy ended up obsessed with the closing shot 1369346;1452706779;ascii_butugychag;nein 1369347;1452706818;mircea_popescu;well, they're 10 cents a pop since teh torrents, seeing how they weren't made by dosney. 1369348;1452707165;phf;my condolences, mp 1369349;1452707343;mircea_popescu;thanks. 1369350;1452707387;mircea_popescu;cancer taking the first bite off the lordship list, more fodder for the list of things no one could have predicted. 1369351;1452707799;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1369352;1452708028;*;ascii_butugychag vaguely recalls an obituaty of some #b-a old-timer in... 2012 ? 1369353;1452708037;ascii_butugychag;*obituary 1369354;1452708055;ascii_butugychag;somebody from the old era 1369355;1452708287;BingoBoingo;First woman on the internet's already gone, to cancer of all things. 1369356;1452708612;ascii_butugychag;what just happened ? 1369357;1452708722;BingoBoingo;!up X16a 1369358;1452708737;BingoBoingo;No idea. buch of K-lines 1369359;1452709133;copypaste;ascii_butugychag: looks like some IRCop accidentally K-lined all of IRCCloud 1369360;1452709162;copypaste;Which is a web service that allows people to connect to IRC, similar to CGI:IRC and qwebirc 1369361;1452709177;copypaste;But IRCCloud comes with USG spying and allows you to idle. 1369362;1452710919;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 17.01875309 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b24 1369363;1452710963;mats;copypaste: yes but did you see irccloud evade my kline? 1369364;1452711207;mats;i didn't expect my client to do that. 1369365;1452711348;copypaste;mats: I'm of the opinion that any service that offers to idle on IRC for you exists for the sole purpose of spying on you 1369366;1452711366;copypaste;And in the case of IRCCloud, is probably a USG front. So of course connecting at all costs is important. 1369367;1452711378;copypaste;(It's also possible that the IRCop made a mistake and removed the KLine.) 1369368;1452711444;mats;irc surveillance is very low on my list of priorities 1369369;1452711480;copypaste;What's low on your list of priorities is probably high on your government's 1369370;1452711491;mats;good 1369371;1452711501;adlai;freenode exists for the purpose of spying, what more do you need? 1369372;1452711507;copypaste;^ 1369373;1452711560;mats;I hope the agents will enjoy reading years of trolling and arguments about trivial shit 1369374;1452711576;adlai;"if it's not encrypted, it's public" is an excellent way to treat anything (even off the internet) 1369375;1452711578;copypaste;Well, if that's all you do on IRC you're using it wrong 1369376;1452711591;copypaste;I've conducted deals worth tens of thousands of dollars on IRC 1369377;1452711598;copypaste;So speak for yourself. 1369378;1452711605;mats;I mostly use it to connect to freenode graybeards 1369379;1452711620;adlai;copypaste: do you also sell btc while waiting in line at starbucks? 1369380;1452711631;copypaste;hahaha, no. I don't drink that crap. 1369381;1452711634;adlai;or maybe at least get a table 1369382;1452711644;copypaste;I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC 1369383;1452711670;adlai;!s dpaste.org 1369384;1452711671;assbot;0 results for 'dpaste.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpaste.org 1369385;1452711677;mats;can pass gpg messages, sir 1369386;1452711689;*;adlai apparently can't, oh well 1369387;1452711704;mats;like folks do, with dpaste 1369388;1452711743;adlai;if you're worried about metadata, encrypt your trolling or start a shill or two, it pays for itself in elizatherapy 1369389;1452711914;phf;irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire 1369390;1452711993;phf;copypaste: the fact that your "tens of thousands of dollars" deals have not been compromised is entirely due to "uncatchable joe" factor. is russian joke, "this there is uncatchable joe. -- woah, nobody can catch him? -- no, nobody cares to" 1369391;1452712333;copypaste;phf: :D 1369392;1452712339;copypaste;O 1369393;1452712352;copypaste;I'm not saying they were illegal, was just demonstrating that IRC isn't just for trolling 1369394;1452712793;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/ 1369395;1452712794;assbot;ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 ) 1369396;1452712794;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369397;1452712874;adlai;shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346910 1369398;1452712874;assbot;Logged on 18-12-2015 22:48:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission. 1369399;1452716070;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b70 1369400;1452717828;thestringpuller;!up Quent 1369401;1452717860;Quent;thanks - looks like la serene republic finds itself between a rock and a hard place 1369402;1452717868;Quent;2mb fork one one hand SW on the other 1369403;1452717889;thestringpuller;you can always choose C. the world isn't necessarily always binary. 1369404;1452717899;Quent;will you go for cover which allows you independence? or visibility which means certain invasion? 1369405;1452717923;thestringpuller;this is all in the logs. 1369406;1452717924;Quent;it is very binary unfortunately, in this space anyway 1369407;1452717948;Quent;you see what theymos is doing - you see what centralisation does 1369408;1452717954;Quent;all that applies to the real world... 1369409;1452717970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050004 = 7.1506 BTC [+] {3} 1369410;1452717987;thestringpuller;Theymos is a known scammer. 1369411;1452717994;thestringpuller;!gettrust assbot theymos 1369412;1452717994;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=theymos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/theymos/ 1369413;1452718019;Quent;my point is the masters of real world can bring their hammer down 1369414;1452718027;Quent;if we dont play smart 1369415;1452718036;Quent;they did it to 3-gol or whatever it was 1369416;1452718038;Quent;e-gold* 1369417;1452718064;Quent;you kids can say your shit in your corners 1369418;1452718072;thestringpuller;!gettrust Quent 1369419;1452718072;assbot;Quent is not registered in WoT. 1369420;1452718074;Quent;but without the grown ups covering your shit...... 1369421;1452718084;Quent;you become exposed 1369422;1452718090;thestringpuller;you aren't even in WoT 1369423;1452718090;Quent;that's what some are agitating for 1369424;1452718099;Quent;and provoking 1369425;1452718114;Quent;they want the, from the masses view, extrimists to prevail... 1369426;1452718121;Quent;so that the whole thing can be dismissed 1369427;1452718130;Quent;we offer cover for your little corner 1369428;1452718142;Quent;thats realism kids 1369429;1452718170;thestringpuller;okay how about you lurk some more >> http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ when you do come back and discuss 1369430;1452718304;Quent;nah, I've said too much already 1369431;1452718308;Quent;your choice 1369432;1452718317;Quent;oh... well... you hardly have a choice to make lol 1369433;1452719068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8760 @ 0.00049812 = 4.3635 BTC [-] {4} 1369434;1452719129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00049626 = 3.2952 BTC [-] 1369435;1452719241;trinque;"that's what 'some' are" 1369436;1452719246;trinque;"I've said too much" 1369437;1452719255;trinque;wtf is this, an action movie? 1369438;1452719289;trinque;Quent: why did the masters of the universe permit you to divulge such privileged information? 1369439;1452719319;trinque;WHO SENT YOU. WHOOOO 1369440;1452719333;Quent;lmao 1369441;1452719348;Quent;good to see the paranoid head pops up first ahaha 1369442;1452719362;Quent;omg he *could* be an alien ahaha 1369443;1452719370;Quent;anyway 1369444;1452719374;Quent;I have a suggestion 1369445;1452719381;Quent;how about you guys stay out of this? 1369446;1452719388;Quent;you in between a rock and a hardplace 1369447;1452719393;Quent;no choice you can make is good 1369448;1452719395;Quent;so... 1369449;1452719403;trinque;!down Quent 1369450;1452720091;shinohai;da fuq? lol 1369451;1452720236;shinohai;yess sah massa Quentin, we gon' stay out of it. 1369452;1452720258;thestringpuller;guy is worse than mr. spam. 1369453;1452720390;shinohai;Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender ..... 1369454;1452720626;thestringpuller;I'm actually in favor of them attempting a hard fork cause it provides war profiteering opportunities. 1369455;1452720672;shinohai;^ 1369456;1452720837;thestringpuller;then the guy goes off in PM how trinque censored him, when literally none of the lines he said had any value. it's like a hobo wandering in talking craziness... 1369457;1452721009;shinohai;Must be e reddit person if he cries censorship. Those are the only ppl I know that do. 1369458;1452721292;trinque;"just wants to" feel important 1369459;1452721525;thestringpuller;that's how jgarzik amounted to not much at all. at least at red hat he was doing _something_ 1369460;1452721549;thestringpuller;now all he does is posts on twitter and jumps from startup to startup 1369461;1452721914;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - S&P 500 to close above 2000 on December 30th - http://bitbet.us/bet/1238/s-p-500-to-close-above-2000-on-december/#b9 1369462;1452723275;BingoBoingo;!up ThomasV 1369463;1452723635;jurov;accept the unspecified protection of our nebulous entity or else! 1369464;1452723910;jurov;ummm... between cock and hard place 1369465;1452724378;BingoBoingo;What was that trilema about the cock eating rock? 1369466;1452724418;shinohai;;;gettrust lrvick 1369467;1452724419;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user lrvick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=lrvick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lrvick | Rated since: Mon Jun 27 14:19:15 2011 1369468;1452724694;deedbot-;[Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/ 1369469;1452724695;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ winning 1369470;1452724696;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369471;1452728133;hdbuck;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613 1369472;1452728134;assbot;Transactions and Scripts: DUP HASH160 ... EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG ... ( http://bit.ly/201aTzK ) 1369473;1452728331;hdbuck;for the records. 1369474;1452728455;mircea_popescu;hdbuck aha. 1369475;1452728465;mircea_popescu;but this was back before. 1369476;1452728724;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ? 1369477;1452728724;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 18:00:55; ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era 1369478;1452728836;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369382 << standard here seems to be dpaste, actually. 1369479;1452728836;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 19:00:44; copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC 1369480;1452728915;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369389 << this is both why this channel is logged publicly and why the whole "oh herp derp published logs are unexpected" bloviation of EVERY OTHER irc channel is so funny. 1369481;1452728915;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 19:05:14; phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire 1369482;1452728959;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369395 << wtf is this, for alfie, with love ? :D 1369483;1452728959;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:54; assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 ) 1369484;1452729050;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller wouldja stop upping this quent derp already. it's like reading vexual-on-stupid-drugs. 1369485;1452729136;thestringpuller;yea. my b. i'm too nice. 1369486;1452729184;mircea_popescu;dat feeling when random idiot used to derp in trilema comments FIVE YEARS AGO comes back. same ip. same derpage. time stood still. 1369487;1452729194;mircea_popescu;how do they do this ? 1369488;1452729292;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369468 << lol. all paper deal, too, i bet. 1369489;1452729292;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 22:38:14; deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/ 1369490;1452729328;mircea_popescu;hey "coinbase" - most LOSERS manage a better acquihire after FIVE YEARS. grow beards already, start entertaining at the metro let out. 1369491;1452729426;mircea_popescu;so hanbot is working out. she's on one of those balls. i go "hey... silbert picks up coinbase in all-paper acquihire". she starts laughing. she can't stop laughing. eventually she lets out "that entire work-out... just warm-up for this laugh." 1369492;1452729597;kakobrekla;you mean coindesk 1369493;1452729678;kakobrekla;also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems 1369494;1452729689;kakobrekla;at paypal* 1369495;1452729908;mircea_popescu;aww, no more xapo is going to revolutionize and things ? 1369496;1452729933;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla oh wait, different coin-derps ? a well. there goes a good laugh. 1369497;1452729965;mircea_popescu;NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND! 1369498;1452729966;mircea_popescu;"A Proposal for Correcting Social Inequities Intrinsic to the Drunkard's Walk: No Photon Left Behind" 1369499;1452729966;mircea_popescu;Classical physics demands certainty. Quantum mechanics demands probability. Diversity demands one more turn of the screw - nullity. We cannot allow the impositions of society to crush the aspirations of culture. Those who are empirically materially productive steal wealth from those who pursue transient hedonistic objectively valueless personal agendas. Diversity is admission for reason of disqualification. Ill-gotten 1369500;1452729966;mircea_popescu;gains from focused efforts must be confiscated by higher authority and distributed to the deserving, less user fees. 1369501;1452729969;mircea_popescu;dis dude.... 1369502;1452729982;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo have you read uncleal btw ? you gotta read uncleal. 1369503;1452729983;kakobrekla;coindesk = 'news site' , coinbase = 'exchange' 1369504;1452729993;mircea_popescu;aha. 1369505;1452730040;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I prolly need to read moar Uncle Al, so far barely touched the stuff. Most of today's time was spent capping wires and Moar Batteries. 1369506;1452730061;mircea_popescu;lol making the bombs ? 1369507;1452730081;mircea_popescu;anyway, hearthily recommended, should prolly be on the "introductory reading materials" for new and aspiring qntra editors. 1369508;1452730095;BingoBoingo;Nah, Just getting myself to a solid two or so hour uptime with storm season approaching. 1369509;1452730125;BingoBoingo;And capping wires because why should outlets and switches to nowhere need power? 1369510;1452730179;mircea_popescu;dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ? 1369511;1452730193;BingoBoingo;gasoline generator is a loud theftmagnet 1369512;1452730203;mircea_popescu;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece. 1369513;1452730205;assbot;NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrWk0B ) 1369514;1452730221;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you can always bury it. 1369515;1452730230;BingoBoingo;Anysort of actual generation capacity is waiting for wizard tower. 1369516;1452730236;mircea_popescu;(not completely, needs air, but pretty well nevertheless) 1369517;1452730261;BingoBoingo;I've see buried natural gas, uncle has one. 1369518;1452730340;BingoBoingo;For wizard tower looking to do PV and FeNi batteries when the time comes. Until then just doing the off the shelf UPS deal. 1369519;1452730407;mircea_popescu;also works. 1369520;1452730433;pete_dushenski;mod6: you around ? 1369521;1452730463;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369180 << heh. why the hell not, y'know ? 1369522;1452730463;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea." 1369523;1452730482;*;BingoBoingo also spied cheap dedi box on clearance will set up trb node on linux when datacenter gets back to me about paying them. 1369524;1452730490;mircea_popescu;because of the very obvious danger this approach poses, pete_dushenski 1369525;1452730517;mircea_popescu;it's the equivalent of a bug going "oh hey, there's some food here. how come ? i didn't put it there ? well... i guess i'll just have some,w hat's the worst that can happen". 1369526;1452730532;mircea_popescu;if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce. 1369527;1452730542;pete_dushenski;*squish* 1369528;1452730571;pete_dushenski;or "this tastes kinda like poi...." 1369529;1452730575;mircea_popescu;and you need 100% of your production redirected away from you, through taxes, spousal support and any and all other available avenues. because omfg. 1369530;1452730705;pete_dushenski;it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money 1369531;1452730751;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t. 1369532;1452730751;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 16:20:20; ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al 1369533;1452730768;mircea_popescu;"wavelength as a second parameter photons" ahahahaha omfg. 1369534;1452730803;pete_dushenski;this is, recall, the guy who shows up to coffee dates sometimes ~hours~ early, just so he isn't late. 1369535;1452730890;mircea_popescu;lol 1369536;1452731022;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369296 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/ 1369537;1452731022;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 17:18:22; ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus 1369538;1452731026;assbot;She-santa brings the presents, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrX4ms ) 1369539;1452731086;pete_dushenski;it's the reindeer that were robo 1369540;1452731093;pete_dushenski;no homo 1369541;1452731112;mircea_popescu;!up guest21333 1369542;1452732498;BingoBoingo;So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches? 1369543;1452732515;BingoBoingo;The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd 1369544;1452732740;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: you around ? << yup 1369545;1452733466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13058 @ 0.00050094 = 6.5413 BTC [+] 1369546;1452733487;shinohai;@ BingoBoingo I still wound up patching manually :/ 1369547;1452733517;BingoBoingo;I'm closer to getting it to work 1369548;1452733537;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd << because the two latest ones haven't been read or tested by me yet. 1369549;1452733576;mircea_popescu;in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ? 1369550;1452733588;mod6;you should be able to drop those patches into your patches directory for V, and then also put the seals in your seals dir -- once that's complete doing `./v.pl f` should show you a flow with those patches in there with 'asciilifeform' as the signatory. 1369551;1452733626;mod6;after this, you should be able to press out a new trb that includes the latest patches, then build from there. 1369552;1452733632;BingoBoingo;So do I need to unpack a source Bitcoin tarball anywhere special? 1369553;1452733699;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ? << i don't see a problem with doing it this way. 1369554;1452733728;mod6;i can throw those in there. just a moment 1369555;1452733729;shinohai;I got as far as pressing, but code doesnt change mod6 :/ 1369556;1452733786;mod6;were the new patches included in your 'flow' output? 1369557;1452734015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050933 = 12.2239 BTC [+] {2} 1369558;1452734074;BingoBoingo;first press seems fine 1369559;1452734117;BingoBoingo;Also what if you want to press 3 heads at same time? 1369560;1452734156;mod6;it does a single head. 1369561;1452734173;BingoBoingo;So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else 1369562;1452734176;mod6;ok those two latest patches and their corresponding seals from asciilifeform are in the mirror. 1369563;1452734185;mod6;you should be able to sync the whole thing now and get those ones as well. 1369564;1452734201;BingoBoingo;k 1369565;1452734219;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else << no, you can just up through a given vpatch in the flow. 1369566;1452734244;mod6;*press up 1369567;1452734262;BingoBoingo;But I mean to get the next head do you just repeat pressing with a different head or??? 1369568;1452734355;BingoBoingo;So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times 1369569;1452734362;mod6;just one press at a time. choose a new output dir to ensure clean press. 1369570;1452734381;BingoBoingo;k 1369571;1452734393;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times << no should just be able to choose the last one in the flow output 1369572;1452734400;mod6;then it should press all that come before it. 1369573;1452734417;BingoBoingo;There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones. 1369574;1452734445;mod6;im about to do this, just a sec. 1369575;1452734490;BingoBoingo;AH, I was doing leaves, not flow 1369576;1452734494;BingoBoingo;my bad 1369577;1452734520;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1369578;1452734556;BingoBoingo;Ok, I've got a everything 1369579;1452734557;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369493 << turned loooong ago 1369580;1452734557;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:01:18; kakobrekla: also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems 1369581;1452734637;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369531 <<<<<< 1369582;1452734637;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t. 1369583;1452734661;mircea_popescu;this, unfortunately, is unfixable. 1369584;1452734668;ascii_butugychag;rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369530 1369585;1452734668;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:18:25; pete_dushenski: it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money 1369586;1452734681;mircea_popescu;it is easy for the young to ignore the outright heroic accomplishment that it is for say 60yos to just keep track of this mess. 1369587;1452734687;ascii_butugychag;brb train 1369588;1452734708;mircea_popescu;but... one time you'll be 60, and you'll have the opportunity to pick up teenaged chicks off the street. and you'll try, i'm sure, and manage, i'm sure. right ? 1369589;1452734714;pete_dushenski;obligatory re: wences : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/ 1369590;1452734715;assbot;Wences whacked, Xapo zapped. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOkvt ) 1369591;1452734718;mod6;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1MP1W10.txt & for future ref. 1369592;1452734721;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOhzT ) 1369593;1452734807;pete_dushenski;"Wences: Okay, I agree with that, friend ; I don’t want to offend you, so I am going to use my mom as an example." << can you spot the three tell-tale scammer hooks here ? 1369594;1452734850;mod6;shinohai: see if you can get the same as me ^^ (see dpaste) 1369595;1452735277;BingoBoingo;ty mod6 1369596;1452735364;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1369597;1452735383;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369453 << lol11!! 1369598;1452735383;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 21:26:30; shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender ..... 1369599;1452735601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0005003 = 8.5551 BTC [-] {3} 1369600;1452735629;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> ty mod6 << np. good questions. 1369601;1452735651;mircea_popescu;funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin 1369602;1452735651;mircea_popescu;d us" chiefly because it served the anglo puppet masters. 1369603;1452735751;mircea_popescu;"things better left unsaid", stuff like La France being a lot more a creation of militant, government-bombing activism than christianity. and so on. 1369604;1452735849;mircea_popescu;heck, modern spain was built on the rape-and-pillage of more civilised, peace loving, law abiding muslims by religious zealots. 1369605;1452736888;ben_vulpes;noches 1369606;1452736956;BingoBoingo;!up Cristina_ 1369607;1452737143;ben_vulpes;> CGI:IRC << til 1369608;1452737434;ben_vulpes;> vexual-on-stupid-drugs << ahahaha hey lissen LOOK HOW MUCH WORSE IT COULD BE 1369609;1452737719;asciilifeform;so i didn't finish, train went in tunnel, 1369610;1452737723;asciilifeform;re: surrender, 1369611;1452737733;asciilifeform;what would that ~look~ like ??! 1369612;1452737739;asciilifeform;is there a magic door to surrender into ? 1369613;1452737749;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: computes on commute? 1369614;1452737755;ben_vulpes;now /that/ is luxury 1369615;1452737757;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha why the fuq not 1369616;1452737765;asciilifeform;it's an hour+ of train 1369617;1452737788;asciilifeform;don't they have gsm modems in the zimbabwe where you live ? 1369618;1452737797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20644 @ 0.0005036 = 10.3963 BTC [+] 1369619;1452737807;asciilifeform;(in my zimbabwe we do, but tunnels have spotty reception) 1369620;1452737816;ben_vulpes;i have yet to build the partial-differential-equable-actuator-standing-on-ball to haul computer along on the walk to the office 1369621;1452737829;asciilifeform;l0l 1369622;1452737836;asciilifeform;why does ben_vulpes even need to ~go~ to his office 1369623;1452737859;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369104 1369624;1452737859;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 12:44:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant 1369625;1452737878;asciilifeform;buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ? 1369626;1452737879;ben_vulpes;youthful architectural mistakes on one hand 1369627;1452737882;asciilifeform;the kind that rolls around 1369628;1452737890;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i actually enjoy my carbon units 1369629;1452737904;asciilifeform;staff consists of pretty gurlz ? hm ok 1369630;1452737922;ben_vulpes;you've seen the handwritings 1369631;1452737925;asciilifeform;aha 1369632;1452737928;asciilifeform;neato 1369633;1452737957;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes makes women program ipNoje ? 1369634;1452737961;asciilifeform;what cruelty.. 1369635;1452737977;ben_vulpes;make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him 1369636;1452738006;asciilifeform;in other nyoooz, 1369637;1452738007;asciilifeform;http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A08093&term=2015&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y 1369638;1452738024;asciilifeform;turns out ny is the mecca of clipperchipdom, 1369639;1452738025;asciilifeform;who knew. 1369640;1452738045;asciilifeform;'Relates to the manufacture and sale of smartphones on and after January 1, 2016 that are capable of being decrypted and unlocked by the manufacturer or its operating system provider.' 1369641;1452738056;ben_vulpes;> "GREATLY EMBOLDEN ONLINE CR1M1NALZ" 1369642;1452738076;asciilifeform;'Recent technological advances have the potential to greatly embolden online criminals, providing new methods for abusers to avoid detection. The United States Attorney General, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and others have severely criticized the efforts of smartphone manufacturers to keep evidence immune from lawful process. Criticism, however, is not enough. In some cases, perpetrators take advantage 1369643;1452738076;asciilifeform;of encryption and anonymizing technology to conceal contraband materials and disguise their locations. Andrew Weissmann, a former FBI general counsel, has publically called the use of such encryption technology outrageous. According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't get Apple or Google to help retrieve potential evidence. In essence these companies 1369644;1452738076;asciilifeform; are announcing to criminals, 'use this device.'' 1369645;1452738093;asciilifeform;best of all, 1369646;1452738098;asciilifeform;'Justice Department officials have said that if the new systems work as advertised, they will make it virtually impossible to solve some cases,as the companies have promised customers the equivalent of a house that can't be searched, or a car trunk that could never be opened.' 1369647;1452738140;asciilifeform;2. Establishes that any smartphone manufactured after January 1, 2016 and sold or leased in New York must be capable of being decrypted by itsmanufacturer 3. Establishes the penalty to those who knowingly sell or lease smartphones that cannot be decrypted or unlocked by the manufacturer, andprovides that sellers and lessors are prohibited from passing any portion of penalty costs on to customers. 1369648;1452738144;asciilifeform;etc... 1369649;1452738253;ben_vulpes;http://dogs.shithouse.tv/ 1369650;1452738254;assbot;dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcogVP ) 1369651;1452738279;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz, i just came back from a party thrown by $firm, at a kind of cryptological theme park. and one of the riddles involved a skytale. 1369652;1452738285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16946 @ 0.00050782 = 8.6055 BTC [+] {2} 1369653;1452738303;asciilifeform;(scytale ?) 1369654;1452738423;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ? << we have one of those in our office that rolls around and shit. it's actually not bad, although don't see why a conference call can't suffice... 1369655;1452738479;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369582 << https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/610831-every-social-association-that-is-not-face-to-face-is-injurious-to 1369656;1452738479;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 01:23:57; assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t. 1369657;1452738481;assbot;Quote by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: “Every social association that is not face-to-fa...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcovjN ) 1369658;1452738483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wut surrender ? 1369659;1452738557;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, i'm starting to be real suspicious over here about plainly observable nonliniarities in the flow of time. 1369660;1452738571;mircea_popescu;for instance... did you know that ~20% of women looking to hook up are 29 ? 1369661;1452738604;thestringpuller;^- yea. i think >50% of women who hook up before that age end up "regretting it" 1369662;1452738619;ben_vulpes;that cuspy "ohmigaerd the fun times are about to be oooover" age 1369663;1452738634;mircea_popescu;innit. 1369664;1452738640;mircea_popescu;some of them don't even look 45. 1369665;1452738656;thestringpuller;it's amazing what a gym membership can do 1369666;1452738656;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1369667;1452738661;ben_vulpes;and sleep. 1369668;1452738735;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369635 << wait, it's, to quote, "your profile is very interesting, not to mention your devilish good looks" ? 1369669;1452738735;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 02:19:37; ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him 1369670;1452738864;ben_vulpes;i have farcial hair now, total game-changer 1369671;1452738886;mircea_popescu;" According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't" << oh no, what ever more fearsome thing than when the fiction begins to fray. 1369672;1452738945;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: what level of evilness is your facial hair? >> http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg 1369673;1452739045;ben_vulpes;unkempt-i-haven't-had-time-to-sleep-much-less-shave-and-no-my-farcial-hair-doesn't-have-complete-coverage-yet-thank-you-very-much 1369674;1452739066;ben_vulpes;send help i have faulty genes 1369675;1452739084;mircea_popescu;you're just young! 1369676;1452739096;mircea_popescu;i couldn't really grow a decent beard before my 30s. 1369677;1452739165;ben_vulpes;"you're not a man until you can get a girl off just by tickling her with your whiskers" 1369678;1452739181;mircea_popescu;isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ? 1369679;1452739191;thestringpuller;i thought girls hated getting scratched by beards? 1369680;1452739215;mircea_popescu;but in other news : chocolate cake being in the making, i was humbly presented with spoon of ganache to lick. (yes while sitting here, ha!). and so i did and because of my beard ... the pleasant scent still floats around my nose. 1369681;1452739464;ben_vulpes;> scrofula 1369682;1452739466;ben_vulpes;I R INSULT 1369683;1452739472;ben_vulpes;FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL 1369684;1452739604;ben_vulpes;> and only two years remain before they will be having a layoff << work for other people, get fired by other people 1369685;1452739615;ben_vulpes;work for clients, get fired by clients 1369686;1452739620;ben_vulpes;death comes for us all 1369687;1452739625;ben_vulpes;pay for your gravestone today! 1369688;1452739956;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369687 << i think i only paid enough for pirannhas 1369689;1452739956;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 02:47:05; ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today! 1369690;1452739975;asciilifeform;and i bet they are already hatched, somewhere. 1369691;1452740010;*;asciilifeform recently changed professions in a direction that probably brings them a little nearer 1369692;1452740037;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369678 << pet loves scratchy 1369693;1452740037;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 02:39:41; mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ? 1369694;1452740126;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? 1369695;1452740126;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones. 1369696;1452740260;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. 1369697;1452740260;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce. 1369698;1452740275;asciilifeform;and it is an iron cockroach, and quite indifferent to poison. 1369699;1452740309;asciilifeform;so it loses a sub-whisker now and again. doesn't even notice. 1369700;1452740314;asciilifeform;grows ten more. 1369701;1452740360;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? 1369702;1452740360;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches? 1369703;1452740405;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369522 << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion 1369704;1452740405;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea." 1369705;1452740414;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things 1369706;1452740461;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369510 << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one 1369707;1452740461;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ? 1369708;1452740475;asciilifeform;with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet 1369709;1452740599;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369476 << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ?? 1369710;1452740599;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ? 1369711;1452740607;asciilifeform;;;seen smickles 1369712;1452740608;gribble;smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs 1369713;1452740626;asciilifeform;maybe not 1369714;1452740742;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369394 << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles 1369715;1452740742;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/ 1369716;1452740750;asciilifeform;!s new york death ray 1369717;1452740751;assbot;12 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray 1369718;1452740768;asciilifeform;if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon. 1369719;1452740783;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is http://thebitcoin.foundation 1369720;1452740783;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches? 1369721;1452740784;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 ) 1369722;1452740795;mod6;your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added. 1369723;1452740795;asciilifeform;mod6: the www ? 1369724;1452740800;asciilifeform;or is there some rsync thing going 1369725;1452740806;mod6;well, it's really http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/ 1369726;1452740807;assbot;Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl ) 1369727;1452740819;asciilifeform;ah 1369728;1452740841;mod6;but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror 1369729;1452740879;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong. 1369730;1452740879;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1369731;1452740946;mircea_popescu;cool. 1369732;1452740956;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever. 1369733;1452740956;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones. 1369734;1452740973;mircea_popescu; FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented 1369735;1452740984;mod6;I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know. 1369736;1452740997;mircea_popescu;(you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint) 1369737;1452741127;mod6;so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch 1369738;1452741145;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ? 1369739;1452741145;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce. 1369740;1452741189;asciilifeform;mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag 1369741;1452741199;asciilifeform;esp. when we finally get that mine pool 1369742;1452741215;mircea_popescu;mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract. 1369743;1452741225;mod6;was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S. 1369744;1452741229;mircea_popescu;(this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty) 1369745;1452741240;asciilifeform;or all-highS 1369746;1452741260;asciilifeform;(i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one) 1369747;1452741263;mod6;is there a reason for only high-S ? 1369748;1452741274;asciilifeform;to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111 1369749;1452741281;mod6;ok, other than that? 1369750;1452741287;asciilifeform;can't think of for what else 1369751;1452741305;asciilifeform;thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin 1369752;1452741307;asciilifeform;just as low-S 1369753;1452741340;mod6;yeup, ofc. 1369754;1452741397;asciilifeform;if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ? 1369755;1452741404;mod6;but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues. 1369756;1452741410;mod6;*it'd 1369757;1452741436;asciilifeform;to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool 1369758;1452741444;asciilifeform;rather than adding talmudistry to trb 1369759;1452741496;asciilifeform;if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter, 1369760;1452741497;mod6;so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue. 1369761;1452741502;asciilifeform;somebody ought to be collecting those fees! 1369762;1452741512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works. 1369763;1452741526;mircea_popescu;blocks aren't individual items. they are chained. 1369764;1452741532;asciilifeform;aha.. 1369765;1452741558;asciilifeform;and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block 1369766;1452741562;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever. 1369767;1452741564;mircea_popescu;For. Ever. 1369768;1452741581;mircea_popescu;we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s. 1369769;1452741582;asciilifeform;iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid 1369770;1452741584;mircea_popescu;they can not. 1369771;1452741596;asciilifeform;only that they are not selected for blocks 1369772;1452741598;asciilifeform;or relayed 1369773;1452741598;mircea_popescu;yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about. 1369774;1452741610;asciilifeform;i thought it was only the relay and selector 1369775;1452741623;asciilifeform;(and, naturally, tx generator) 1369776;1452741628;mircea_popescu;bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch 1369777;1452741632;mircea_popescu;then failed to implement it 1369778;1452741644;mircea_popescu;then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours 1369779;1452741678;mircea_popescu;this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support. 1369780;1452741689;*;asciilifeform digs for the prb src 1369781;1452741693;mircea_popescu;and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED 1369782;1452741696;mircea_popescu;votes or no votes. 1369783;1452741707;asciilifeform;what made it cheaper ? 1369784;1452741714;mircea_popescu;(non controversial, even here, see logs) 1369785;1452741758;mircea_popescu;anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it. 1369786;1452741772;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick. 1369787;1452741800;mircea_popescu;blockbridge! 1369788;1452741801;asciilifeform;if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ? 1369789;1452741826;asciilifeform;i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying 1369790;1452741837;mircea_popescu;mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol. 1369791;1452741854;mircea_popescu;they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed. 1369792;1452741870;mircea_popescu;hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin. 1369793;1452741875;asciilifeform;aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules 1369794;1452741911;mircea_popescu;generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that 1369795;1452741922;mircea_popescu;their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol. 1369796;1452741957;mircea_popescu;barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them. 1369797;1452742006;mircea_popescu;in this sense, building atop that shit is an excursion in insanity, which is why ONLY usg-financed "companies" do it (in the sense of pretending to do anything besides hiring more ustards and eating rubber chickens at "conferences") 1369798;1452742291;ben_vulpes;i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined 1369799;1452742470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing 1369800;1452742476;asciilifeform;they were separate items 1369801;1452742510;asciilifeform;and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx 1369802;1452742601;asciilifeform;what am i missing 1369803;1452742666;mircea_popescu;you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?! 1369804;1452742669;mircea_popescu;!up changenie 1369805;1452742676;mircea_popescu;hi there changenie 1369806;1452742710;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork' 1369807;1452742717;asciilifeform;trying to figure out how this is so 1369808;1452742728;mircea_popescu;and you are right, BIP66 was "strict DER". 1369809;1452742778;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << pretty good discussion. 1369810;1452742779;assbot;bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/201qFup ) 1369811;1452742779;asciilifeform;i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner 1369812;1452742821;mircea_popescu;for some reason the whole high/low S thing is part and parcel of this in my head. 1369813;1452742832;asciilifeform;'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth 1369814;1452742839;asciilifeform;you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork 1369815;1452742842;asciilifeform;*mine 1369816;1452742856;asciilifeform;but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to 1369817;1452742860;asciilifeform;(because ????????) 1369818;1452742863;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is something we can experiment with once someone picks up the pool thing ? 1369819;1452742871;asciilifeform;well certainly not with bare hands. 1369820;1452742923;asciilifeform;but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge. 1369821;1452742940;asciilifeform;(because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason) 1369822;1452742961;mircea_popescu;not really. because it is trivial to malleate txn 1369823;1452742978;mircea_popescu;see, miner that sees high-S tx can either reject it, or just low-S it. 1369824;1452742981;asciilifeform;malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ? 1369825;1452742984;asciilifeform;let'em try their luck 1369826;1452742990;mircea_popescu;it's happening all the time ? 1369827;1452743005;mircea_popescu;i currently send both kinds, and the mined blocks include the low-ified S all the time. 1369828;1452743014;mircea_popescu;no miner rejects high S txn as such. 1369829;1452743035;asciilifeform;incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing 1369830;1452743061;asciilifeform;with whom, specifically, does it screw ? 1369831;1452743092;mircea_popescu;there is no fucking point. what is the point of https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/8b/5d/258b5d875293b906b5c97c318c92de29.jpg other than "get all these bitches lined up in thin plastic wrapped young titties so we can stroke it better" ? 1369832;1452743093;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/201r3c8 ) 1369833;1452743123;mircea_popescu;that's how "states" are built, you're supposed to be aped by the awesome power of this imaginary thing that lo! it makes whole rafts of bitches to absurd shit like this 1369834;1452743134;mircea_popescu;when you can't even get one to spread properly. 1369835;1452743188;asciilifeform;i must be simple-minded, then 1369836;1452743194;asciilifeform;because i don't see the mega-point 1369837;1452743205;asciilifeform;tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank. 1369838;1452743217;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1369839;1452743221;mircea_popescu;did i just talk through you ? 1369840;1452743234;asciilifeform;possibly? 1369841;1452743245;asciilifeform;how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ? 1369842;1452743250;asciilifeform;it doesn't ~do~ anything 1369843;1452743255;asciilifeform;it's got no tits. 1369844;1452743293;mircea_popescu;but "everyone" does it. and you want to be just like everyone, don't you ? 1369845;1452743310;mircea_popescu;tits are for older boys, like they had in pre-nazi germany. 1369846;1452743323;mircea_popescu;for the raft of 3yos the us is infested with, tits yet hold a different meaning than ravishment. 1369847;1452743491;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i would suppose that is "child porn" by today's standards, right ? buncha fourteen year olds in clingwrap tops. 1369848;1452743514;mircea_popescu;whar is teh compliance documents!11 1369849;1452743753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to fully formulate the impedance mismatch here, because on reread this isn't satisfactory. suppose you have a chain of blocks, B1...Bn. suppose you also have a chain (different concepts) of txn , T1...Tm. 1369850;1452743823;mircea_popescu;all miners, whether they be S-indiscriminate or S-selective can mine T1 necessarily. the latter as is ; the former as T1 in 50% of cases and as T1' in the remainder cases, where T1' = C-T1 1369851;1452743847;mircea_popescu;should T1' be mined, then T2...TN is now invalid, and will have to be resent. 1369852;1452743859;asciilifeform;well yes 1369853;1452743870;mircea_popescu;it's true that this costs S-indiscriminate miners the txn fees of T2-Tn, but 1369854;1452743875;asciilifeform;but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all! 1369855;1452743886;asciilifeform;in any known client 1369856;1452743902;mircea_popescu;a) the expectation is, as you've seen, that i'll get an accountant out of bed and on my own dime fix the mess power rangers made because hey, why not, it's a decentralized protocol which means some idiots break it and the world fixes it 1369857;1452743905;asciilifeform;DER-encoding thing? yes. 1369858;1452743907;asciilifeform;S ? no 1369859;1452743919;mircea_popescu;however more importantly b) there is NO WAY for neutral-S miners to profit from T2-Tn as-is. 1369860;1452743938;mircea_popescu;so yet another aspect of the well familiar by now disaster of commons 1369861;1452744012;mircea_popescu;but i must an' gladly do commend your stubborn insistence because yeah in fact i was conflating two things in mah head. 1369862;1452744019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00051319 = 5.8658 BTC [+] 1369863;1452744125;mircea_popescu;now, if subsidy was more like 25 cents than 25 BTC, we wouldn't even have this discussion. 1369864;1452744142;mircea_popescu;but sadly... it's hard to make a function to describe future human behaviour. 1369865;1452744690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23902 @ 0.00051548 = 12.321 BTC [+] {4} 1369866;1452744797;phf;asciilifeform: cryptological theme park, is that the spy museum or this some other facility? 1369867;1452744823;asciilifeform;phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club 1369868;1452744853;asciilifeform;корпоратив. 1369869;1452744986;phf;huh 1369870;1452745043;asciilifeform;phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics 1369871;1452745048;phf;aah, i see 1369872;1452745196;phf;because a cryptology themed restaurant, that would be something i'd want to see. nsa contractors go there for burgers, kind of ironically, but also cause it's close to "the location". spy memorabilia, but all utterly obscure for a casual observer. cute frequency analysis problems sprinkled all over 1369873;1452745248;asciilifeform;they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area 1369874;1452745485;phf;i vaguely recall that 1369875;1452746520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41616 @ 0.00051619 = 21.4818 BTC [+] {3} 1369876;1452747806;mircea_popescu;"old crows", used to be a thing. 1369877;1452748228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00051584 = 11.1937 BTC [-] 1369878;1452748686;mircea_popescu;!up idkwhat2dowithmy 1369879;1452748778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37909 @ 0.00051203 = 19.4105 BTC [-] {3} 1369880;1452748838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050684 = 3.1171 BTC [-] 1369881;1452748891;idkwhat2dowithmy;Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here 1369882;1452748904;mircea_popescu;cool. 1369883;1452749142;*;BingoBoingo almost has build machine back together to resume V-enture 1369884;1452751637;BingoBoingo;V-enture seems to have worked 1369885;1452751723;mircea_popescu;wd! 1369886;1452752017;BingoBoingo;atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box 1369887;1452753413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26287 @ 0.00050796 = 13.3527 BTC [+] 1369888;1452754267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13682 @ 0.00050796 = 6.9499 BTC [+] 1369889;1452754877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00050484 = 17.7451 BTC [-] {4} 1369890;1452755670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00049927 = 16.8753 BTC [-] {2} 1369891;1452757754;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.15378746 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b71 1369892;1452757885;BingoBoingo;That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC 1369893;1452757890;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet 1369894;1452757890;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (530 shares, 0.06 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001184 / 0.00013 (2930 shares, 0.35 BTC) 1369895;1452758390;BingoBoingo;trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet 1369896;1452760001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9636 @ 0.00051059 = 4.92 BTC [+] 1369897;1452761099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051309 = 18.1121 BTC [+] {3} 1369898;1452763051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18936 @ 0.0005155 = 9.7615 BTC [+] {2} 1369899;1452763905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15617 @ 0.0005118 = 7.9928 BTC [-] 1369900;1452764637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050253 = 3.8298 BTC [-] 1369901;1452766467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050253 = 1.5578 BTC [-] 1369902;1452768114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00050179 = 10.939 BTC [-] {2} 1369903;1452769373;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/kbB3Z84.jpg 1369904;1452769374;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf4bNs ) 1369905;1452769699;punkman;https://www.rt.com/news/328844-indonesia-suicide-attacks-isis/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYqiNpkUoAAnxK2.jpg check out the diy grenades 1369906;1452769700;assbot;Suspected ISIS attacks in Jakarta — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAd ) 1369907;1452769701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAh ) 1369908;1452770128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00051 = 8.976 BTC [+] {2} 1369909;1452772828;mircea_popescu;punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time. 1369910;1452772843;mircea_popescu;"oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s." 1369911;1452773164;fluffypony;Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi 1369912;1452773169;fluffypony;and he's black as night 1369913;1452773300;shinohai;;;blocks 1369914;1452773301;gribble;393287 1369915;1452773465;mircea_popescu;so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ? 1369916;1452773526;mircea_popescu;i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see. 1369917;1452773574;shinohai;I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest 1369918;1452773584;mircea_popescu;mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ? 1369919;1452773614;shinohai;I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character. 1369920;1452773641;fluffypony;well 1369921;1452773642;mircea_popescu;"Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?! 1369922;1452773642;fluffypony;it kinda did 1369923;1452773645;fluffypony;David Prowse was black 1369924;1452773653;mircea_popescu;ah did it ? alrighty then. 1369925;1452773653;fluffypony;but I doubt many people knew it 1369926;1452773660;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?! 1369927;1452773682;fluffypony;I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse 1369928;1452773689;shinohai;Ah! 1369929;1452773711;fluffypony;and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson 1369930;1452773732;*;mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf. 1369931;1452773733;shinohai;But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy. 1369932;1452773742;mircea_popescu;oh 1369933;1452773745;mircea_popescu;voice actor 1369934;1452773759;fluffypony;yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy 1369935;1452773776;mircea_popescu;i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people. 1369936;1452773792;shinohai;Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie. 1369937;1452773809;fluffypony;I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress 1369938;1452773812;mircea_popescu;eh, his best work is pulp fiction. 1369939;1452773817;fluffypony;but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument 1369940;1452773826;fluffypony;"there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!" 1369941;1452773833;fluffypony;#GunganLivesMatter 1369942;1452773839;shinohai;I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced. 1369943;1452773873;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!" 1369944;1452773899;punkman;episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6 1369945;1452773901;mircea_popescu;"oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!" 1369946;1452773957;fluffypony;punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho 1369947;1452773970;fluffypony;but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts 1369948;1452773977;mircea_popescu;he looks spanish 1369949;1452774007;fluffypony;to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race 1369950;1452774013;shinohai;Moorish 1369951;1452774024;punkman;fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson 1369952;1452774029;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese. 1369953;1452774037;shinohai;mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor 1369954;1452774040;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that'd be because they are lol. 1369955;1452774046;fluffypony;yeah 1369956;1452774093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2} 1369957;1452774101;mircea_popescu;saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty. 1369958;1452774129;*;mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already. 1369959;1452774186;punkman;Angola? 1369960;1452774192;mircea_popescu;mmm 1369961;1452774272;punkman;actually that's portuguese 1369962;1452774307;punkman;seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara 1369963;1452774308;shinohai;Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho 1369964;1452774319;mircea_popescu;nono there was one 1369965;1452774333;mircea_popescu;equatorial guinea! there. 1369966;1452774338;mircea_popescu;exactly where these dudes be from. 1369967;1452774364;mircea_popescu;between cameroon and gabon 1369968;1452774558;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on http://www.mail-tester.com/web-WeHDBS which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor". 1369969;1452774559;assbot;Spam Test Result by mail-tester.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkjX ) 1369970;1452774559;mircea_popescu;i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : https://github.com/SpamExperts/pyzor/issues/39 they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess. 1369971;1452774560;assbot;Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkAo ) 1369972;1452774571;mircea_popescu;who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF! 1369973;1452774600;mircea_popescu;(hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!) 1369974;1452774735;mircea_popescu;and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes. 1369975;1452775130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050007 = 11.3016 BTC [-] 1369976;1452775160;mircea_popescu;!up Atomicat 1369977;1452775204;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks 1369978;1452775210;mircea_popescu;yw. who're you ? 1369979;1452775219;Atomicat;Bitcointalk member 1369980;1452775230;jurov;hahahaha 1369981;1452775237;mircea_popescu;:)) 1369982;1452775539;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741 1369983;1452775540;assbot;View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPV0Kk ) 1369984;1452775548;Atomicat;Is this your profile on bitcointalk? 1369985;1452775550;mircea_popescu;you're not THAT are you ?! 1369986;1452775551;mircea_popescu;mno. 1369987;1452775611;Atomicat;For a long time I though that's your profile. 1369988;1452775616;mircea_popescu;no, that's hanbot 1369989;1452775654;Atomicat;haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s 1369990;1452775663;mircea_popescu;;;seen hanbot 1369991;1452775663;gribble;hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc 1369992;1452775665;Atomicat;MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM 1369993;1452775690;mircea_popescu;there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball. 1369994;1452775700;Atomicat;BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk? 1369995;1452775705;mircea_popescu;i dun have one. 1369996;1452775712;mircea_popescu;!s tardstalk 1369997;1452775713;assbot;105 results for 'tardstalk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tardstalk 1369998;1452775795;Atomicat;You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk?? 1369999;1452775827;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1370000;1452776029;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 9.66061887 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b25 1370001;1452776580;punkman;http://theweek.com/articles/598367/china-building-first-military-base-africa-america-should-nervous 1370002;1452776582;assbot;China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPWmVB ) 1370003;1452776604;mircea_popescu;heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened". 1370004;1452776942;punkman;!up PeterL 1370005;1452777026;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1367133 << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine 1370006;1452777026;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. 1370007;1452777049;mircea_popescu;PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool. 1370008;1452777066;PeterL;item for trilema jobs board? 1370009;1452777095;mircea_popescu;not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really. 1370010;1452777155;PeterL;Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore. 1370011;1452777162;mircea_popescu;you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either. 1370012;1452777171;PeterL;good point 1370013;1452777509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26837 @ 0.00049932 = 13.4003 BTC [-] {2} 1370014;1452777531;shinohai;I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha 1370015;1452777557;shinohai;Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych 1370016;1452779034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00049927 = 41.2147 BTC [-] {2} 1370017;1452779369;mircea_popescu;!up Atomicat 1370018;1452779382;Atomicat;PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool? 1370019;1452779428;mircea_popescu;there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ) 1370020;1452779429;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) 1370021;1452779443;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there. 1370022;1452779450;mircea_popescu;the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once. 1370023;1452779482;mircea_popescu;(not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix) 1370024;1452779486;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't 1370025;1452779488;mircea_popescu;!up PeterL 1370026;1452779518;mircea_popescu;Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed. 1370027;1452779518;PeterL;Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin) 1370028;1452779566;mircea_popescu;!up AndChat-63600 1370029;1452779597;PeterL;iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program 1370030;1452779639;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool. 1370031;1452779653;Atomicat;Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool? 1370032;1452779662;PeterL;same thing, different name 1370033;1452779662;mircea_popescu;#b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets 1370034;1452779671;Atomicat;ah 1370035;1452779684;PeterL;#b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed 1370036;1452779722;PeterL;although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing 1370037;1452779756;mircea_popescu;"the differences, while present, are not yet important" 1370038;1452779773;PeterL;#b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb 1370039;1452779788;mircea_popescu;ha! quite. 1370040;1452779795;PeterL;as far as we know, we are the only people using trb? 1370041;1452779805;mircea_popescu;pretty much thinking like a scientist. 1370042;1452779818;mircea_popescu;PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof. 1370043;1452779890;PeterL; pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think? 1370044;1452779891;Atomicat;I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB? 1370045;1452779903;mircea_popescu;Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that. 1370046;1452779925;mircea_popescu;brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do. 1370047;1452779945;PeterL;there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs 1370048;1452779972;Atomicat;V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain? 1370049;1452779983;thestringpuller;good morning #b-a 1370050;1452779988;mircea_popescu;it does use the same blockchain. 1370051;1452779997;mircea_popescu;v is a signature-based versioning system and other things. 1370052;1452780002;PeterL;also read this: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/25/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-i/ 1370053;1452780004;assbot;An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok6H8T ) 1370054;1452780011;mircea_popescu;it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust. 1370055;1452780042;mircea_popescu;come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ? 1370056;1452780045;mircea_popescu;twelve words or less. 1370057;1452780051;Atomicat;How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/? I would really love to !up myself. ;p 1370058;1452780052;assbot;A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O ) 1370059;1452780057;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. 1370060;1452780061;mircea_popescu;!rate Atomicat 1 New blood 1370061;1452780061;assbot;Atomicat is not registered in WoT. 1370062;1452780069;mircea_popescu;Atomicat register, basically. 1370063;1452780075;thestringpuller;Atomicat: start with 1370064;1452780076;thestringpuller;!help 1370065;1452780076;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1370066;1452780087;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's complicated. 1370067;1452780114;thestringpuller;seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness. 1370068;1452780128;mircea_popescu;but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰,你怎么不会汉语啊。😁哈哈哈,反正你也不懂,我觉得很有意思!祝你好运哈! 1370069;1452780129;thestringpuller;and whereas still to date no mining hardware company has ever delivered equipment on time 1370070;1452780147;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: I have registered with gribble. 1370071;1452780154;Atomicat;Isn't that the WOT? 1370072;1452780157;PeterL; mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. << people offering "mining services" might all be scammers, but there might be people mining for themselves who are not scamming 1370073;1452780167;mircea_popescu;Atomicat nah, it forked a year ago over a misunderstanding. 1370074;1452780168;PeterL;but I might be wrong 1370075;1452780183;thestringpuller;PeterL: this people do not advertise. probably have to go to the deserts of china to find them. 1370076;1452780197;mircea_popescu;china is actually not in a desert. mongolia sort-of is. 1370077;1452780255;Atomicat;I following this guide: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1370078;1452780256;assbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh ) 1370079;1452780256;Atomicat;I think it needs to be updated. 1370080;1452780265;mircea_popescu;specifically ? 1370081;1452780276;Atomicat;followed* 1370082;1452780288;mircea_popescu;yes but what's wrong with it 1370083;1452780318;PeterL;aha, it still references gibble WoT 1370084;1452780322;mircea_popescu;oh 1370085;1452780327;PeterL;needs update to AssWoT 1370086;1452780343;mircea_popescu;;;later tell hey ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1370087;1452780344;assbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh ) 1370088;1452780344;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370089;1452780350;mircea_popescu;uh. 1370090;1452780352;Atomicat;Yep, that's what I meant 1370091;1452780357;mircea_popescu;;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1370092;1452780358;assbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh ) 1370093;1452780358;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370094;1452780376;mircea_popescu;;;msg 1370095;1452780377;gribble;Error: "msg" is not a valid command. 1370096;1452780383;mircea_popescu;;;list 1370097;1452780384;gribble;Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, (1 more message) 1370098;1452780386;Atomicat;Can I register with assbot using a bitcoin address? 1370099;1452780388;shinohai;!s http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1370100;1452780390;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1370101;1452780391;assbot;60 results for 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bitcoin-assets.com%2Ffirst_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1370102;1452780391;PeterL;lol, poor hey getting your message 1370103;1452780404;mircea_popescu;Atomicat no, you need a pgp signature. 1370104;1452780436;thestringpuller;G.R.E.A.M - GPG rules everything around me. 1370105;1452780516;PeterL;;;seen dub 1370106;1452780516;gribble;dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: hallo 1370107;1452780549;mircea_popescu;;;later 1370108;1452780549;gribble;Error: "later" is not a valid command. 1370109;1452780554;mircea_popescu;what the fuck was it 1370110;1452780559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2} 1370111;1452780664;mircea_popescu;;;last 1370112;1452780664;gribble;[09:09:12] [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2} 1370113;1452780717;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1370114;1452780766;mircea_popescu;;;notes 1370115;1452780767;gribble;I currently have notes waiting for ben_vulpes, cazalla, crypt0queen, hey, joseph_young, kako, M-John, mike_c, nubbins`, pierre_rochard, psztorc, saifedean, TheNewDeal, therealascii, Ukto, Ukyo, whaack, and Wolf`. 1370116;1452780770;mircea_popescu;there we go. 1370117;1452780781;gabriel_laddel;;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm. 1370118;1452780781;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370119;1452780812;mircea_popescu;;;notes hey 1370120;1452780812;gribble;Sent 7 minutes ago: ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1370121;1452780819;mircea_popescu;;;notes therealascii 1370122;1452780819;gribble;Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, and 35 minutes ago: fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault 1370123;1452780826;PeterL;;;seen Ukyo 1370124;1452780826;gribble;Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: mgio_: ping 1370125;1452780830;mircea_popescu;heh. so basically most gribble traffic is from b-a huh, 1370126;1452780847;mircea_popescu;;;notes crypt0queen 1370127;1452780847;gribble;Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, and 34 minutes ago: Need ya to contact me. House fire, and the cleanup crew broke my sign. Snapped off the A. Do you have another for sale or the 'ACCEPTED' part? 1370128;1452780864;mircea_popescu;;;later tell michail1 you know the later tell thing is public right ? 1370129;1452780865;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370130;1452781079;mircea_popescu;!up xiaomorph 1370131;1452783243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00050901 = 15.2703 BTC [+] {2} 1370132;1452783462;mircea_popescu;!up DerpUnion 1370133;1452783599;DerpUnion;so whats the deal with Classic, gavin is starting to look desperate 1370134;1452783625;mircea_popescu;"starting" eh. 1370135;1452783651;DerpUnion;first it was 20MB, then 8MB-8GB, now its down to 2MB, that is like atleast a 10x change in his "technical position" 1370136;1452783773;mircea_popescu;gavin looks more or less like http://40.media.tumblr.com/8897aa45b63e00398849f8d57ecd11f0/tumblr_mevisnYxfK1ruyqizo1_1280.jpg , which is fitting. 1370137;1452783774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/231vIgK ) 1370138;1452783841;DerpUnion;mircea_popescu: Whats the deal with Erik Voorhees supporting larger blocks, u still in touch with him? 1370139;1452783862;mircea_popescu;;;seen evoorhees 1370140;1452783862;gribble;evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: I need to go for now, on later 1370141;1452783867;mircea_popescu;not in a coupla years. 1370142;1452783892;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - DOW low under 16000 before April 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1225/dow-low-under-16000-before-april-2016/#b25 1370143;1452784040;thestringpuller;!gettrust assbot evoorhees 1370144;1452784041;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/ 1370145;1452784219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051183 = 16.6857 BTC [+] {3} 1370146;1452784265;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c here's a thought, in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ might be a good idea to hide users not seen in i dunno, a quarter ? a year ? something ? explained, and with link for "full list". 1370147;1452784267;assbot;WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S ) 1370148;1452784267;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370149;1452784270;mircea_popescu;!seen gribble 1370150;1452784300;mircea_popescu;and kakobrekla - how about assbot getting a !seen which returns "timestamp of last successful !v response" ? so as not to have to use gribble's. 1370151;1452784326;mircea_popescu;cut right down on the name squatting business. 1370152;1452784463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25599 @ 0.00051328 = 13.1395 BTC [+] 1370153;1452784495;thestringpuller;I can't get the numbers to work to make mining profitable. I don't see how it would be possible. It's like flushing BTC down a toilet. 1370154;1452784551;DerpUnion;id reckon its only possible with subsidised or free electricity 1370155;1452784562;thestringpuller;that's not the problem. it's the escalating difficulty. 1370156;1452784582;mircea_popescu;you recall the mpoe-pr's buffett quote ? 1370157;1452784585;thestringpuller;any miner going online today will never break even at the retail price point 1370158;1452784598;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: oh yea. it's zero sum. I have that saved somewhere around here. 1370159;1452784608;mircea_popescu;so... yeah. it isn't nor could it be. 1370160;1452784628;DerpUnion;how cld that be? if your running cost is 0 and your income non-zero, u will eventually recoup 1370161;1452784634;DerpUnion;though that cld be a long eventually 1370162;1452784640;mircea_popescu;link him then thestringpuller ? 1370163;1452784739;thestringpuller;From the horse's mouth: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1985.html 1370164;1452784781;mircea_popescu;!rate atomicat 1 New blood 1370165;1452784781;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58dc0bb375decb96 1370166;1452784796;DerpUnion;thestringpuller: think i might have read this b4, but will go thru it again, thx 1370167;1452784801;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.atomicat.1:5483b037c87df6ab61aeef4e9e34a256445265b6491b4cefe4b0540842b5edbe 1370168;1452784801;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for atomicat with note: New blood 1370169;1452784836;mircea_popescu;" The domestic textile industry operates in a commodity business, competing in a world market in which substantial excess capacity exists." and subsq. 1370170;1452784898;thestringpuller;Relevant part hanbot had posted >> "Over the years, we had the option of making large capital expenditures in the textile operation that would have allowed us to somewhat reduce variable costs. Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on- investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our 1370171;1452784939;mircea_popescu;actually check out this wonder : https://archive.is/9Ao8F#selection-37.331-37.5373 1370172;1452784940;assbot;Chairman's Letter - 1985 ... ( http://bit.ly/231zarE ) 1370173;1452785002;thestringpuller;and then "But the promised benefits from these textile investments were illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each company’s capital investment decision appeared cost- effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisio 1370174;1452785019;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: I really appriciate it. 1370175;1452785077;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1370176;1452785087;thestringpuller;DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry 1370177;1452785110;mircea_popescu;the strange with bitcoin is that mining is ALWAYS a market in which supracapacity exists, for the odd reason that mining is a ~0 demand activity, which is altogether a concept unknown in economy so far. 1370178;1452785131;mircea_popescu;what happens is that the same nominal amount will be distributed to all producers uniformly by lottery, no matter the volume of production. 1370179;1452785164;mircea_popescu;that there exists no marginal demand created by production increase nor any demand destroyed by production shortages makes the situation quite peculiar. 1370180;1452785214;thestringpuller;This is why you get stories of people investing in mining and holding BTC until price escalates then sell portion to get net profit. But bear market has prevented that for the past 1.5-2 years 1370181;1452785241;mircea_popescu;there IS the implicit fiat short where you finance your mining with [tax deductible] fiat losses, and maintain your profits in bitcoin. 1370182;1452785256;mircea_popescu;which is the primary driver for the extreme run-up in hashing we've been experiencing the past coupla years. 1370183;1452785263;mircea_popescu;but this behaviour is very difficult to model. 1370184;1452785277;thestringpuller;aha! the plot thickens. 1370185;1452785326;thestringpuller;!up DerpUnion 1370186;1452785359;thestringpuller;i had a theory the "profitable" miners (ones that got in early before major difficulty increase vis-a-vis jgarzik getting first avalon miner and paying it off in 1 month), will drop the price to push other miners offline. 1370187;1452785393;mircea_popescu;i don't trust jgarzik's ability to correctly account for a business venture, for one thing. 1370188;1452785430;mircea_popescu;"old miners" do what you say in cases such as saudi arabia cutting prices to sink obama's hopes of reindustrializing the us, sure. but note that there's a strong "god-given" element to this : the saudis didn't BUILD those oil deposits. 1370189;1452785454;mircea_popescu;in a sense they're stuck with them. much like a preppy kid that's stuck with his parents house. 1370190;1452785486;mircea_popescu;the other kids in school'd BETTER think his dad's house is cool, or else he stands to lose a lot. so he has a vested interest in having the sluttier chicks in class over by his pool each weekend, that other kids in better situations don't. 1370191;1452785577;thestringpuller;this is how gatsby tried to rise to power, but was struck down by "old money". it would seem miners would operate under the same mentality. 1370192;1452785624;mircea_popescu;you are aware that's a book, written about "how it is to be rich" by someone who was himself poor ? 1370193;1452785676;mircea_popescu;something like https://archive.org/details/memoirsoftalleyr02talliala would make a better sample of "what it's like", that dude was loaded. 1370194;1452785678;assbot;Memoirs of Talleyrand : Talleyrand-Périgord, Charles Maurice de, prince de Bénévent, 1754-1838 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1mYilNs ) 1370195;1452785719;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370176 I suspect bitfury is a wholly-owned subsidiary of TMSC 1370196;1452785719;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 15:24:47; thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry 1370197;1452785747;thestringpuller;f. scott fitzgerald really didn't get experience "the rich life", it's just interesting to me that "old miners" operate similar to "old money". i do find it intriguing the proletariat of America found that book so fascinating in declaring "the american dream" dead. 1370198;1452785948;Atomicat;How can I register on MPEX and is there any profittable assets to invest in currently? 1370199;1452785975;thestringpuller;Atomicat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#3 1370200;1452786005;mircea_popescu;iirc mpex assets have been the only profitable sort of bitcoin assets throughout bitcoin's history. 1370201;1452786014;mircea_popescu;now, just how profitable and which... that's an open question. 1370202;1452786049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0005077 = 15.8037 BTC [-] {2} 1370203;1452786073;mircea_popescu;but, illo tempore, http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/ 1370204;1452786074;assbot;The best investments in the history of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DBmu ) 1370205;1452786081;mircea_popescu;as well as, for completness, http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/ 1370206;1452786082;assbot;The list of discontinued assets on MPEx on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DI1j ) 1370207;1452786135;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. french bourgeois life during that time. my what a time. 1370208;1452786147;mircea_popescu;you know who the guy was right ? 1370209;1452786171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00050752 = 3.85 BTC [-] 1370210;1452786171;thestringpuller;I'm reading about him right now and his diplomacy in france. 1370211;1452786187;thestringpuller;seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe." 1370212;1452786207;mircea_popescu;right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other. 1370213;1452786233;thestringpuller;Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading. 1370214;1452786246;thestringpuller;srsly. why go to college when you have #bitcoin-assets 1370215;1452786250;mircea_popescu;and of everyone else. 1370216;1452786260;mircea_popescu;and ugly as fuck, but the hottest fuck in paris. at least if you ask the sluts. 1370217;1452786317;thestringpuller;punkman: are you talking about that tawainese semiconductor company? 1370218;1452786354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00050027 = 17.0592 BTC [-] {3} 1370219;1452786385;Atomicat;mircea_popescu: "Make sure you include verbiage to reflect that you are aware you will be required to pay 50 BTC as fees for registering the account, and are prepared to do so. " 1370220;1452786390;Atomicat;Is this still valid? 1370221;1452786406;mircea_popescu;Atomicat yeah. but there are brokers, such as for instance jurov's coinbr.com that are less onerous. 1370222;1452786485;thestringpuller;coinbr is a good deal. 0.019 btc a month 1370223;1452786495;thestringpuller;;;calc 50 / 0.019 1370224;1452786495;gribble;2631.57894737 1370225;1452786517;thestringpuller;^- months to pay off mpex fee at coinbr rates. << so you can't beat that 1370226;1452787303;Atomicat;thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu should lower the price bacuase the bitcoin was not this high at that time. 1370227;1452787316;mircea_popescu;the price was actually lower historically. 1370228;1452787360;thestringpuller;Atomicat: he value of a seat on the New York Stock Exchange has been falling after reaching a high nearly $4 million in 2005 to a value arounf $2.5 million today. << Significantly cheaper than a seat at the NYSE 1370229;1452787402;Atomicat;lol yeah but MPEX is not as big as NYSE.;p 1370230;1452787445;Atomicat;How many assets are listed on MPEX? Is there a list? 1370231;1452787460;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/ 1370232;1452787462;assbot;MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfC2pe ) 1370233;1452787586;Atomicat;IMO, There isn't much listed there. 1370234;1452787649;thestringpuller;I blame the VC-fueled derps. Others blame the school systems. 1370235;1452787688;Atomicat;lol 1370236;1452787730;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1370237;1452787736;mircea_popescu;eh what's the rush anyway. 1370238;1452787744;mircea_popescu;as bitcoin grows there'll be more stuff to list. 1370239;1452787756;ascii_butugychag;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733 1370240;1452787757;assbot;OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz ) 1370241;1452787764;thestringpuller;srsly?!? 1370242;1452787851;ascii_butugychag;'The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious server into leaking client memory to the server, including private client user keys. 1370243;1452787855;ascii_butugychag;' 1370244;1452787868;mircea_popescu;SECURITY: ssh(1): The OpenSSH client code between 5.4 and 7.1 1370245;1452787868;mircea_popescu; contains experimential support for resuming SSH-connections (roaming). 1370246;1452787868;mircea_popescu; The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client 1370247;1452787868;mircea_popescu; code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious 1370248;1452787868;mircea_popescu; server into leaking client memory to the server, including private 1370249;1452787868;mircea_popescu; client user keys. 1370250;1452787870;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1370251;1452788152;ascii_butugychag;still waiting for anybody to suggest removing ALL the 'mebbe for later' crapolade 1370252;1452788159;ascii_butugychag;or would that be t3rr0r1zm!1111 1370253;1452788163;mircea_popescu;how would progress progress! 1370254;1452788489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115816 @ 0.00049927 = 57.8235 BTC [-] 1370255;1452789704;BingoBoingo; to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race << What abot DOn Cheadle? 1370256;1452789738;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: he's the exception to the rule, you also get the occasional light-skinned Nigerian :) 1370257;1452789768;mircea_popescu;apparently you can also get blue eyed black people, 1 in 5mn or somesuch 1370258;1452789881;thestringpuller;I'm green eyed black person, but that doesn't count. 1370259;1452789899;mircea_popescu;that's somewhat more common. 1370260;1452789973;BingoBoingo; i dun have one. << I swore you had one with mebbe 5 posts or something 1370261;1452790024;thestringpuller;he does 1370262;1452790035;mircea_popescu;i do ? 1370263;1452790036;thestringpuller;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923 1370264;1452790040;thestringpuller;unless someone squatted you 1370265;1452790071;mircea_popescu;i dunno what that is. 1370266;1452790485;BingoBoingo;Sounds kinda like MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35900.msg444504#msg444504 1370267;1452790486;assbot;Bounty 1 BTC for a new Friend - All my friends are ReTards ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2t75P ) 1370268;1452790519;BingoBoingo;Then again who can remember all they things wine talked them into 1370269;1452791120;shinohai;I'm shocked not a single person has left feedback on that MP account lol 1370270;1452791184;BingoBoingo;Didn't exist yet 1370271;1452791204;BingoBoingo;Thermos introduced the rating system sometime in 2013 1370272;1452791292;BingoBoingo;http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733 1370273;1452791293;assbot;OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 and CVE-2016-0778 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz ) 1370274;1452791317;BingoBoingo; UPDATE: Affects all OpenSSH 5.4 - 7.1: Apply the workaround and wait for an upcoming release. 1370275;1452791357;BingoBoingo;http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/5.7/common/022_ssh.patch.sig 1370276;1452791358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9HPwL ) 1370277;1452791450;BingoBoingo;Sounds a lot like ascii_butugychag was always right "SSH roaming enables a client, in case an SSH connection breaks 1370278;1452791450;BingoBoingo;unexpectedly, to resume it at a later time, provided the server also 1370279;1452791450;BingoBoingo;supports it. The OpenSSH server doesn't support roaming, but the OpenSSH client 1370280;1452791450;BingoBoingo;supports it (even though it's not documented) and it's enabled by 1370281;1452791450;BingoBoingo;default." 1370282;1452792393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00049802 = 4.2865 BTC [-] 1370283;1452792551;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/b17b3f105a3bfbf838443492b1974592/tumblr_n34z2zgTth1trf4yko1_500.gif 1370284;1452792552;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9KvKJ ) 1370285;1452793034;BingoBoingo;In still other news http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/#comment-39755 1370286;1452793035;assbot;Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ7a5c ) 1370287;1452793251;thestringpuller;so gavin conceded >> http://gavinandresen.ninja/classic-unlimited-xt-core << "In the long run I think everything will work out fine, no matter what happens with the block limit." 1370288;1452793498;*;trinque squints at .ninja, refuses to read 1370289;1452794284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8864 @ 0.00050498 = 4.4761 BTC [+] 1370290;1452794339;deedbot-;[Qntra] OpenSSH Client Bug Leaks Memory Contents - http://qntra.net/2016/01/openssh-client-bug-leaks-memory-contents/ 1370291;1452794420;BingoBoingo;!up idkwhat2dowithmy 1370292;1452794514;idkwhat2dowithmy;BingoBoingo I've been reading your stuff on qntra 1370293;1452794517;idkwhat2dowithmy;Good stuff 1370294;1452794520;BingoBoingo;thank you 1370295;1452797473;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1370296;1452797485;jurov;!up AndChat|63600 1370297;1452797517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24536 @ 0.00051246 = 12.5737 BTC [+] 1370298;1452797761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00050816 = 7.1391 BTC [-] {2} 1370299;1452797837;shinohai;!s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/ 1370300;1452797838;assbot;Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO ) 1370301;1452797839;assbot;0 results for 'http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgk2.sk%2Flets-build-a-freedom-node%2F 1370302;1452798005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050539 = 5.6098 BTC [-] 1370303;1452798445;mircea_popescu;maybe link him to the whole pogo thing ? 1370304;1452798469;mircea_popescu;perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research. 1370305;1452798943;mircea_popescu;;;google Varg Quisling Larssn Vikernes 1370306;1452798943;gribble;Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Varg Vikernes | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: ; Some Facts about Varg Vikernes & his Case | Thulean Perspective: 1370307;1452798944;mircea_popescu;heh 1370308;1452799065;mircea_popescu;da nordic model is not without its quislings 1370309;1452799446;BingoBoingo;!up idkwhat2dowithmy Mebbe fix your connection 1370310;1452800143;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1370311;1452800150;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.47, vol: 4485.50246632 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.05, vol: 4968.71595 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.01, vol: 14521.98254248 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.615917, vol: 31225.21250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.16367, vol: 49.14092684 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.3657, vol: 59.86576517 | Volume-weighted last average: 430.622890863 1370312;1452800299;BingoBoingo;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/server_retired_after_18_years_and_ten_months_beat_that_readers/ 1370313;1452800299;assbot;Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW ) 1370314;1452800994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24751 @ 0.0005035 = 12.4621 BTC [-] {2} 1370315;1452801055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3599 @ 0.00050146 = 1.8048 BTC [-] 1370316;1452801145;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/037d6253192bbb88959455bc7684cccc/tumblr_mzp1mac2cP1rwmba9o1_1280.jpg 1370317;1452801145;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORJJHG ) 1370318;1452803656;mircea_popescu;!up stoon 1370319;1452803922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00050146 = 4.5322 BTC [-] 1370320;1452804593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005028 = 1.5587 BTC [+] 1370321;1452805092;deedbot-;[Qntra] Water Quality Crisis In United States Lake Region - http://qntra.net/2016/01/water-quality-crisis-in-united-states-lake-region/ 1370322;1452806571;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1370323;1452806592;ascii_butugychag;so i looked into what folks did in the dark ages prior to 'v' 1370324;1452806595;ascii_butugychag;and behold, 1370325;1452806598;ascii_butugychag;https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story 1370326;1452806604;mircea_popescu;heh. 1370327;1452806606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33863 @ 0.00050066 = 16.9538 BTC [-] {2} 1370328;1452806613;ascii_butugychag;mega-l0l, worth a read 1370329;1452806626;ascii_butugychag;esp. to all the folks who want to 'automate' crypto 1370330;1452806695;ascii_butugychag;i think in the time it takes to even read that page, you could write a quite respectable v-tron... 1370331;1452806724;mircea_popescu;i... shot him an email. 1370332;1452806756;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you have to know tho. in the time it takes most women to suck at their amorous life, they could make themselves into quite respectable slavegirls. so what of it ? 1370333;1452806775;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1370334;1452806777;ascii_butugychag;could they, now. 1370335;1452806797;ascii_butugychag;could i become a respectable sumo wrestler in the time i take on the train, aha. 1370336;1452806820;mircea_popescu;there's a major difference between disciplines of the mind, such as NOT BEING STUPID 1370337;1452806827;mircea_popescu;and disciplines of the ass, such as being a sumo wrestler. 1370338;1452806844;mircea_popescu;the former's all removal. much like our work on bitcoin pore. 1370339;1452806855;mircea_popescu;for it's not really any sort of core. tis a pore. 1370340;1452806969;ascii_butugychag;my mind is still boggling at the sheer monumental complexity of the signed-git crud 1370341;1452807033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.0005028 = 9.4516 BTC [+] 1370342;1452807045;mircea_popescu;complexity is improvement ; war is peace. 1370343;1452807161;mircea_popescu;i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do. 1370344;1452807185;thestringpuller;the funny thing is the core devs proclaim "No need to use V or TRB method. We sign our git patches!!!!111" 1370345;1452807222;mircea_popescu;herp. 1370346;1452807227;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: this is intensely selected for in the 'job market' 1370347;1452807268;ascii_butugychag;(if your system makes sense to others, you might get sacked, etc) 1370348;1452807271;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it is, but not just. the nonsense is in fact so pervasive that when someone does something horrible ~and it matters not at all what it is ~ the first, the automatic, the one true psychological defense is... "you don't understand" 1370349;1452807290;mircea_popescu;as if your don't undertstanding is an extenuating circumstance, that somehow makes anything better, like salt and blowing up the whites. 1370350;1452807321;thestringpuller;pretty sure security through obfuscation has been disproven. 1370351;1452807355;thestringpuller;should aim for _actual_ security not pseudo security 1370352;1452807399;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: the observation was about 'job security' 1370353;1452807500;thestringpuller;there was once a Ph.D ex-NASA worker employed by my buddy at McAffee back in the day. He built job security around "filtering mail". When my buddy became a manager, he asked the d00d "What do you actually do?" The guy gave this long obfuscated explanation, and my buddy said, "So we can replace you with a mail proc script?" 1370354;1452807513;thestringpuller;The d00d kept trying to say how his job was meaningful and useful, etc. 1370355;1452807527;thestringpuller;So one day, buddy gives this d00d a pink slip, and replaces him with a mail proc script. 1370356;1452807530;ascii_butugychag;if he had to explain at all, he clearly failed to 'securitify' his job 1370357;1452807557;thestringpuller;for the old management he did, but he couldn't bullshit my buddy. 1370358;1452807594;BingoBoingo;!up brg444 1370359;1452807623;brg444;new rules? 1370360;1452807629;BingoBoingo;? 1370361;1452807629;mircea_popescu;? 1370362;1452807640;brg444;couldn't seem to manage to !up? 1370363;1452807656;mircea_popescu;no changes afaik. 1370364;1452807658;BingoBoingo;!gettrust assbot brg444 1370365;1452807659;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/ 1370366;1452807662;brg444;[16:45] You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0) 1370367;1452807677;brg444;ah! 1370368;1452807726;thestringpuller;https://archive.is/9ZfPP << apparently the culprit (via pete_dushenski) 1370369;1452807727;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:9851d7a0361f264dc91cb22826ff9694902bee07b46676ec73d9c945b4c5894b 1370370;1452807727;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for brg444 from 1 to 1 with note: loan of voice 1370371;1452807739;brg444;so mircea_popescu mike head already hanging in your living room? 1370372;1452807749;brg444;if not safe to say you can now claim the body http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/business/dealbook/the-bitcoin-believer-who-gave-up.html 1370373;1452807752;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peg5s1 ) 1370374;1452807776;mircea_popescu;that's ok, the usg can keep it. 1370375;1452807786;BingoBoingo;brg444: Ah pete gave you a egrate 1370376;1452807789;BingoBoingo;negrate 1370377;1452807803;BingoBoingo;brg444: I'm working on the Qntra piece on the NYTimes piece 1370378;1452807820;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot brg444 1370379;1452807821;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/ 1370380;1452807827;mircea_popescu;ah you got nulled. 1370381;1452807838;brg444;I'm seeing that now :/ 1370382;1452807845;mircea_popescu;what exactly is the contention there ? 1370383;1452807876;brg444;I've no idea 1370384;1452807881;thestringpuller;pete didn't like what he said on reddit? 1370385;1452807884;mircea_popescu;"Two years ago, Mr. Hearn quit a cushy programming job at Googles Swiss headquarters" << dude gtfo, cushy gofer job. 1370386;1452807886;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1370387;1452807887;brg444;likely 1370388;1452807890;mircea_popescu;!rate brg444 1 whatevs 1370389;1452807890;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/022dafc3c5d7eabb 1370390;1452807912;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brg444.1:e5228957700a2b4a678420cfa4c0c73e7da1d5781f10ae355c84bc5871eb6b1b 1370391;1452807912;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: whatevs 1370392;1452807919;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: where are you reading that? 1370393;1452807961;mircea_popescu;" Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left and quietly took a job at a new start-up." 1370394;1452807963;mircea_popescu;o REALLY. 1370395;1452807971;mircea_popescu;fucking nyt ffs. no research right ? 1370396;1452807988;mircea_popescu;asshat didn't "become disillusioned", and he was never a prominent "leader". 1370397;1452808002;mircea_popescu;he was a prominent mole, ever since the original forkattack. 1370398;1452808012;brg444;more importantly do we know if he really had bitcoins ? 1370399;1452808020;thestringpuller;that picture is priceless. he could at least have a few sluts to pose with. 1370400;1452808037;mircea_popescu;yeah BingoBoingo qntra gotta run a piece setting "nathaniel popper" straight. 1370401;1452808042;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is that asspirate anyway. 1370402;1452808070;ascii_butugychag;afaik hearn was a loud, unrepentant 'garnish' from day 1 on stage ...? 1370403;1452808075;BingoBoingo;Yes 1370404;1452808088;mircea_popescu;yes. 1370405;1452808105;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thing hit my radar just after the Post industrial shithole piece. 1370406;1452808125;mircea_popescu;but the fact that they can't keep their oh-so-precious "state secrets" from the republic bothers them immensely. 1370407;1452808162;ascii_butugychag;l0l i'm still waiting for an ~actual~ seeeekrit 1370408;1452808165;shinohai;!gettrust asciilifeform 1370409;1452808166;assbot;Trust relationship from user shinohai to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=asciilifeform | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/asciilifeform/ 1370410;1452808210;thestringpuller;"He believes that the dangers of the current impasse have not been reflected in the price of Bitcoin because the full debate has been censored in many of the online forums where Bitcoin is discussed." << When did reddit become "the forum"? 1370411;1452808244;thestringpuller;oh this takes the cake >> “I want to be in a professional environment again where people are grounded in some sort of business reality.” 1370412;1452808244;brg444;^ meh. Price did react and tanked when he released the XTurd 1370413;1452808251;mircea_popescu;briefly. 1370414;1452808258;brg444;sure 1370415;1452808298;thestringpuller;What is this nonsense? Mike Hearn gets exiled from Bitcoin and decides to keep complaining? 1370416;1452808326;ascii_butugychag;he is being placed in storage 1370417;1452808333;mircea_popescu;what did you expect him to do, "i am an abject failure that decided to go up against better men, who first warned me and then turned me inside out like a glove" ? 1370418;1452808340;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag pretty much. 1370419;1452808342;ascii_butugychag;on account of the faux-trb 'bitcoin classic' crapolade 1370420;1452808350;ascii_butugychag;which is usg's new tack 1370421;1452808353;mircea_popescu;nono, they were gonna matter! 1370422;1452808389;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1370423;1452808426;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i don't recall any other scammer being as vocal after they failed. 1370424;1452808432;mircea_popescu;hahaha wut ? 1370425;1452808443;mircea_popescu;pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ? 1370426;1452808448;mircea_popescu;how about every single idiot to date! 1370427;1452808467;thestringpuller;but not _this_ vocal 1370428;1452808474;brg444;thestringpuller there's not quite an attention whore like mike 1370429;1452808486;mircea_popescu;in the sense that nytimes only publishes the faux accounts of SOME scammers, rather than all scammers. 1370430;1452808500;thestringpuller;i guess how cops only catch some of the criminals not all of them. 1370431;1452808515;mircea_popescu;yeah. "some". 1370432;1452808557;ascii_butugychag;thing is, muppets are cheap 1370433;1452808559;thestringpuller;i forgot. sometimes they just sprinkle crack on nigger homeowners and call it a day. 1370434;1452808561;mircea_popescu;anyway, expect him to show up in system-d or whatever. "grounded in business reality" 1370435;1452808569;ascii_butugychag;yesterday - hearn, tomorrow - some other 1370436;1452808581;mircea_popescu;quite. they spawn like cockroaches. 1370437;1452808596;thestringpuller;the pointless and the witless in full effect. 1370438;1452808597;mircea_popescu;anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs. 1370439;1452808606;ascii_butugychag;so i'm not seeing any actual defeat here 1370440;1452808607;brg444;they're already breeding the new generation "toomim" 1370441;1452808629;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you won't see any actual defeat no matter what happened. 1370442;1452808642;thestringpuller;"Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints." 1370443;1452808644;ascii_butugychag;why not ? 1370444;1452808645;mircea_popescu;you'll sit there on a mass grave with a million corpses in it, and alternatively piss inside and go "no defeat here" 1370445;1452808651;ascii_butugychag;l0lz 1370446;1452808674;thestringpuller;while at the same time woodchipper continues to spew moar corpses into grave while idiots tell you "they know better" 1370447;1452808709;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm short a woman currently, so how about you lot get busy making some replacements. 1370448;1452808710;mircea_popescu;date moar! 1370449;1452808794;mircea_popescu;for there is no such thing as defeat, as alf correctly observes. but there is such thing as victory. 1370450;1452808802;ascii_butugychag;sure is. 1370451;1452808807;ascii_butugychag;i'd like to live to see it, even. 1370452;1452808940;mircea_popescu;!up PeterL 1370453;1452808944;PeterL;ty 1370454;1452809015;PeterL;so I was trying out v, version 99997, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/14a90ef2-4619-4c89-b976-dede86778384/?raw=true I think something is wrong? 1370455;1452809016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQNejk ) 1370456;1452809047;mircea_popescu;o.O da fuck is that 1370457;1452809055;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370425 << This is going in the first paragraph 1370458;1452809055;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 21:54:03; mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ? 1370459;1452809058;mircea_popescu;!help 1370460;1452809058;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1370461;1452809088;PeterL;I think it should have a different fingerprint for each person, but it is showing the same for everybody 1370462;1452809093;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: did you somehow copy my key over every other ? 1370463;1452809104;*;BingoBoingo did not get that problem 1370464;1452809108;PeterL;no, I looked at the files, they are each different 1370465;1452809142;mircea_popescu;uh 1370466;1452809152;mircea_popescu;can you paste the script that output that ? 1370467;1452809166;PeterL;just a sec 1370468;1452809219;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/50aad8c0-d795-4237-b435-c3b4097e1ab5/?raw=true 1370469;1452809220;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pejk2B ) 1370470;1452809357;mircea_popescu;i meant the script. v.pl 1370471;1452809365;PeterL;oh, sure 1370472;1452809446;trinque;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d8baa878-8c30-47bb-ba86-f1a9d7c45877/?raw=true << I get normal output. 1370473;1452809447;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejK99 ) 1370474;1452809485;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/38578613-73c4-49f2-9610-0b5ce976cb00/?raw=true 1370475;1452809486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejOG9 ) 1370476;1452809531;*;adlai wonders how serene a republic must get for the first n00b to volunteer log summary deeds... not like anybody able to pay for this would either do so or volunteer himself 1370477;1452809584;mircea_popescu;why deed the logs ? 1370478;1452809611;BingoBoingo;Why summarize logs? 1370479;1452809617;adlai;well the logs themselves are deeded (or at least the past year(s)? didn't verify it all myself) 1370480;1452809621;mircea_popescu;the latter's actuyally useful. 1370481;1452809634;*;adlai agrees with mircea_popescu here! 1370482;1452809681;mircea_popescu;PeterL the script looks ok i have nfi how it could put out the output you show. 1370483;1452809814;PeterL;this is with Perl v5.18.2, on Xubuntu 1370484;1452810082;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e0a0f007-3a1e-4ef8-aaae-fa44eed9a031/?raw=true 1370485;1452810084;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PekDP4 ) 1370486;1452810148;PeterL;maybe? alf and mircea I copied key off net and into file, they show up fine in v list, the other two I imported into gpg key and then exported to a file 1370487;1452810181;PeterL;did gpg --export mess something up? 1370488;1452810227;mircea_popescu;not in this manner at any rate. 1370489;1452810290;PeterL;anyway, I am off to get dinner, will check back in later sometime 1370490;1452810838;*;adlai wonders whether qntra would be a better venue than deeds for summaries; it has the advantage of requiring review and implying approval, rather than merely inviting sha256 and best-effort backup 1370491;1452811058;trinque;it's certainly more an editorial/publishing concern than mere archival 1370492;1452811223;BingoBoingo;Qntra is the wrong place for log "summaries," News that happens in the logs yes. General summmaries of X period in the logs no. The complete logs are their own canon. 1370493;1452811338;adlai;quidquid editore dictum est, sic fiat 1370494;1452811687;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/the-amateur-whore.png 1370495;1452811688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ODjY ) 1370496;1452811759;BingoBoingo;Is that getting wrapped into a trilema post? 1370497;1452811783;mircea_popescu;nah 1370498;1452811814;BingoBoingo;You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. 1370499;1452811950;BingoBoingo;adlai: Cliff notes are not reading shakespeare, even if the kid passes the classroom test. Even a quality summary is at best merely an aid useful for assisting a thrid or fourth rereading of the actual canon material. 1370500;1452812149;mircea_popescu;in my mind at least, "summary" has merged much closer to re-threadify. 1370501;1452812180;mircea_popescu;sort-of how philosophy is studied both historically and thematically. the log is historical, but there should prolly be a thematic repository 1370502;1452812232;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. << wait, wut ?! 1370503;1452812238;BingoBoingo;That's not summary, that's commentary. 1370504;1452812288;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At some point you are surely going to find occasion to include that amateur whore in a Trilema. It will be the exact derp to properly explain some other derp who needs a good shiting on. 1370505;1452812306;mircea_popescu;should that happen, which seems improbable, i'll just... fish another one ? 1370506;1452812372;mircea_popescu;but i guess who knows teh future huh. 1370507;1452812376;BingoBoingo;That's how USG works, just fishing new Hearnias everytime the dumber power rangers rig up a fresh truss to pretend the last one wasn't a problem. 1370508;1452812412;mircea_popescu;anyway, i thought you meant you wanted to use it or something. 1370509;1452812418;mircea_popescu;which, if that's what you meant, go ahead. 1370510;1452812463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00050082 = 2.145 BTC [-] 1370511;1452812515;BingoBoingo;Ah no. I jsut suspected you might be writing a post. Then when you said it wasn't going into a post decided to jinx it. 1370512;1452812726;mircea_popescu;haven't i derped enough about okcupid on trilema ?! 1370513;1452812801;BingoBoingo;You've never covered anything enough on Trilema. This is a serious optimization problem. 1370514;1452812829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00049925 = 6.5946 BTC [-] 1370515;1452812830;mircea_popescu;lol 1370516;1452812839;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 V pressed out correctly this time, is building. 1370517;1452812839;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370518;1452812991;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369798 << for starters, because Bitcoin differentiates between them, modulo s/were/are/ ; and because fixing this requires admitting that separating the merkle roots covering inputs and outputs might actually be onto something 1370519;1452812991;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 03:31:31; ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined 1370520;1452813129;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369694 << I hope you don't mean anything that makes it ~easier~ to use (treatises in latin are not included, but a bitch to write) 1370521;1452813129;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 02:55:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? 1370522;1452813155;adlai;cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512] 1370523;1452813155;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece. 1370524;1452813238;adlai;"can read source and figure out wtf it does and why" is almost as sybil-resistent as PoW 1370525;1452813322;*;adlai would guess that it's a little early for an RFC, but has no readily available data about the time-in-market for RFCed technology 1370526;1452813378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0005028 = 4.7273 BTC [+] 1370527;1452814027;*;adlai still things that !s S.MPOE would be more useful in deedbot than log.b-a 1370528;1452814057;adlai;assbot isn't 100% correct, but this is fixable 1370529;1452814232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00051 = 17.1615 BTC [+] 1370530;1452814296;adlai;not in the "produce non-cuantic trading engine" sense, but in the "RFC if your trade didn't appear properly" sense 1370531;1452815025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050188 = 9.8368 BTC [-] {2} 1370532;1452815147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00050133 = 10.0767 BTC [-] 1370533;1452815947;*;adlai wonders whether a sign of 'Bitcoin Mecca' will be legislating that taxable income must be delivered in local fiat, without actually making non-fiat payment illegal as incentive, enticement, teasing, etc 1370534;1452815993;adlai;the fiat gov signing such a law signs its own expiration warrant, but the average legislator probably isn't smart enough to be reading the logs 1370535;1452816184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00050999 = 2.6519 BTC [+] {2} 1370536;1452816489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00049925 = 3.0454 BTC [-] {2} 1370537;1452816610;thestringpuller;afk grabbing food 1370538;1452816660;adlai;^ pure snr imnsho, along with !down etc 1370539;1452816770;thestringpuller;wrong channel :< 1370540;1452816862;*;adlai files incident under "excuses to steal" 1370541;1452817029;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370343 << i see this constantly 1370542;1452817029;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 21:32:41; mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do. 1370543;1452817314;ben_vulpes;ui programmers are especially prone to this, imho because the smalltalk MPI style of MVC and data marshalling through layers is very much not a paradigm that lends itself to simplicity of code design. 1370544;1452817392;deedbot-;[Qntra] NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" - http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/ 1370545;1452817430;*;adlai blinks... since when does deedbot- follow nyt? or hearn for that matter? 1370546;1452817438;ben_vulpes;qntra, yo 1370547;1452817469;adlai;afk grabbing sleep/etc 1370548;1452817492;BingoBoingo;Quadruple title chain via deedbot- yo 1370549;1452818017;jurov;;;ticker 1370550;1452818019;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.56, Best ask: 427.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 427.52, 24 hour volume: 13409.57571648, 24 hour low: 426.0, 24 hour high: 435.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1370551;1452818037;jurov;^ clearly abject failure 1370552;1452818650;mircea_popescu;something occurred ? 1370553;1452818761;mod6;shinohai: good to hear, thx for the update. 1370554;1452818774;mod6;now i will look at PeterL's issue. 1370555;1452818788;mats;https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt 1370556;1452818791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYRpYI ) 1370557;1452818807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049892 = 5.987 BTC [-] {3} 1370558;1452818957;mod6;;; later tell PeterL hey, the version of 'v.pl' that you have looks correct to me. the issue is that you have the pubkeys named incorrectly, try with 'mod6.asc', 'ben_vulpes.asc', 'asciilifeform.asc' and 'mircea_popescu.asc' 1370559;1452818958;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370560;1452819100;mod6;;;later tell PeterL I guess also, if that doesn't resolve the issue, there could be something weird going on with your gpg import. might have to investigate more with you. 1370561;1452819101;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370562;1452819164;phf;asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"? 1370563;1452819234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.00049883 = 5.6088 BTC [-] 1370564;1452820121;BingoBoingo;Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb 1370565;1452820122;assbot;The resolution of the Bitcoin experiment — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYTm7y ) 1370566;1452820214;BingoBoingo;;;later tell bitstein I missed that original piece by Mike Hearn. I see no reason to link it or an archive of in in the Qntra article. Mike Hearn hasn't had a say on any subject in a long time. Why should he get one about himself? 1370567;1452820214;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370568;1452820357;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/ 1370569;1452820393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3282 @ 0.00050312 = 1.6512 BTC [+] {2} 1370570;1452820417;mircea_popescu;" but its now common to be asked to pay more to miners than a credit card would charge." 1370571;1452820422;mircea_popescu;dude get the everloving fuck out. 1370572;1452820458;mircea_popescu;for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES. 1370573;1452820468;mircea_popescu;which is why people who aren't poorfags use wires. 1370574;1452820528;mircea_popescu;reading mike hearn is like reading timecube without the humor, writing skill, grounding in reality, variety and aesthetic appreciation. 1370575;1452820547;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1370576;1452820549;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZAB70Z.txt ) 1370577;1452820602;BingoBoingo;That's the other good reason it wouldn't have been linked if I found it in time. It's like Cryptsy screaming their were hacked after their end has already entered the record. Too late. 1370578;1452820633;mircea_popescu;this ustard fixation with credit cards. 1370579;1452820635;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/nytimes-mike-hearn-gave-up/#comment-39977 1370580;1452820637;assbot;NYTimes: Mike Hearn "Gave Up" | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYU7NY ) 1370581;1452820646;mircea_popescu;"oh, cars don't even have buggywhips!!11 CARS HAVE FAILED!11" 1370582;1452820653;mircea_popescu;stop trying to hurt horses, idiot. 1370583;1452820830;BingoBoingo;What, my car has a buggy whip. Not very useful when moving anymore, but might be useful if stopped by an angry urban crowd. 1370584;1452820926;adlai;some of my best friends defuse road rage with firearms (works in the middle east, at least, where it's initiated with posturing rather than intent) 1370585;1452820926;mircea_popescu;heh 1370586;1452820966;mircea_popescu;up until they run into one of the people that go by the principle that "if i see you armed you're dead." 1370587;1452821001;*;adlai has yet to see the "51st state" go full usgtard 1370588;1452821082;*;BingoBoingo prefer the whip for historical lulz. If going down to an angry urban mob might as well tack on the irony of defending self with Antebellum era agricultural tool. 1370589;1452821502;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1370590;1452821506;gribble;Current Blocks: 393357 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1778 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1370591;1452821857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00050037 = 1.5842 BTC [-] 1370592;1452821908;mircea_popescu;http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck 1370593;1452821909;assbot;Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr ) 1370594;1452821919;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370555 << ahahahahaha whole thing is worth reading: 1370595;1452821919;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 00:46:28; mats: https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openssh-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt 1370596;1452821938;asciilifeform;'OpenSSH 6.6 is the only version that is not affected, because it calls explicit_bzero() instead of memset() or bzero(). ..... older GCC versions do not remove the memset() or bzero() call made by buffer_free() or sshbuf_free(). GCC 5 and Clang/LLVM do, however, remove it.' 1370597;1452821942;mircea_popescu;http://www.themillionairebloggingsystem.com/ << epic shit. 1370598;1452821943;assbot;The Millionaire Blogging System ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa3Bv ) 1370599;1452821973;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was improved. 1370600;1452821979;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336374 1370601;1452821979;assbot;Logged on 04-12-2015 14:59:41; asciilifeform: (does anyone recall the very recent thread re: gcc optimizing away a certain kind of security check WHEN EXPLICITLY ASKED NOT TO ?) 1370602;1452822021;BingoBoingo; http://maddox.com/ ahahaha what the fuck << http://maddox.xmission.com 1370603;1452822022;assbot;Robert Maddox ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa1tr ) 1370604;1452822024;assbot;rULeR Of thE UniverSe. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSa9ct ) 1370605;1452822028;mircea_popescu;ty, 1370606;1452822045;mircea_popescu;but i think ima stop listening to people who don't have what i want (tits) 1370607;1452822075;mircea_popescu;also... "this could be my office" 1370608;1452822115;asciilifeform;holy shit is that reptilia's hotel ?!! 1370609;1452822158;asciilifeform;re: earlier, see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696 1370610;1452822158;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4 1370611;1452822229;mircea_popescu;it's some old dude apparently living in costa rica (which he invented), telling the world truths in centered lines. "Yes, in case you didn't know it Facebook is a HUGE Blogging Platform and it earns Facebook Billions of Dollars !In fact Facebook generated $217.00 every second, 24hrs a day during 2013. And they Earned that money from You Blogging!" 1370612;1452822243;mircea_popescu;i'm sure that's how they got it. not from random usg tendrils washing billions in "advertising". 1370613;1452822291;mircea_popescu;"I have and I am continuing to make posts relating to different Occupations and Passions that can Profit and or Benefit from having a Blog. I will give a touch of ideas of HOW a Blog can Help each topic." 1370614;1452822304;mircea_popescu;this is Lulzy and extreMely Amuseing. 1370615;1452822305;asciilifeform;in other 'news', 4 days of malleus without a blackholing 1370616;1452822314;mircea_popescu;o/ 1370617;1452822374;mircea_popescu;"The Video is just a small sample that can get you started with Your Blog. Each subject is also reinforcement for ideas that You can use in your Life. Example .. The Ideas that I give for a Doctor can easily be modified and applied to another business or Passion. The basics of How a Doctor can monetize her Blog can also be applied to a person with a Coin Collection." 1370618;1452822381;mircea_popescu;this vaguely reminds me of me when i was 6. 1370619;1452822394;mircea_popescu;did i tell the story of the utility program i wrote in basic ? 1370620;1452822464;asciilifeform;hm? 1370621;1452822500;mircea_popescu;was a lengthy list of 4+7*3 = 25 1370622;1452822520;mircea_popescu;not sorted in any particular order. so that you know, if you needed a calculatuion made... you could just run my program and ... look it up. 1370623;1452822535;mircea_popescu;maybe you wish to know what 6+5+3+2*3 = ? 1370624;1452822548;asciilifeform;l0l matrix multiplication tables! 1370625;1452822556;mircea_popescu;what can i say. you got me. 1370626;1452822570;mircea_popescu;i had it saved on tape. 1370627;1452822576;mircea_popescu;THEN i figurd out the tape could get damaged 1370628;1452822580;mircea_popescu;so i saved it on another tape. 1370629;1452822597;asciilifeform;preserved to this day ? 1370630;1452822605;mircea_popescu;my mother prolly has it. 1370631;1452822621;asciilifeform;i have floppies from before i was born, that still read ok 1370632;1452822628;BingoBoingo;This Hearnia stuff has be stuck back reading March 2013 Trilema. Prolly one of my top 5 favorite Trilema months http://trilema.com/lets-capture-forum-bugs-in-amber 1370633;1452822630;assbot;Let's capture forum bugs in amber on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSb10G ) 1370634;1452822641;mircea_popescu;actually the ddr metallic-something tapes of the era were much better than everything i saw since. 1370635;1452822652;asciilifeform;aha! 1370636;1452822657;mircea_popescu;you got favourite months bb ?! 1370637;1452822658;asciilifeform;those were mega-spiffy 1370638;1452822662;asciilifeform;my folks had'em 1370639;1452822670;mircea_popescu;basf made excellent ones and so did uh 1370640;1452822673;mircea_popescu;i forget, yellow. 1370641;1452822682;asciilifeform;basf made the best floppies also 1370642;1452822691;mircea_popescu;i think the best igot were 3m 1370643;1452822700;asciilifeform;best in orcland at any rate 1370644;1452822701;mircea_popescu;3m actually was a fine corp for a long time. 1370645;1452822711;asciilifeform;i still remember my first 3m product 1370646;1452822728;asciilifeform;mother brought it in one day - a box of 'post-it-notes' 1370647;1452822737;asciilifeform;they had a strange perfume inside, also 1370648;1452822743;asciilifeform;(today it is no longer used) 1370649;1452822760;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013 1370650;1452822828;BingoBoingo;And seriously March 2013 trilema linked to /dtng/ even http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/ 1370651;1452822829;assbot;Rape is fun, or let's fuck up Adria Richards on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeBAsR ) 1370652;1452822833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050653 = 2.1528 BTC [+] 1370653;1452823016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00049837 = 1.6197 BTC [-] {4} 1370654;1452823388;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/dIA0kWk.jpg 1370655;1452823389;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC7uC ) 1370656;1452823416;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/B8PMl 1370657;1452823416;assbot;The Yay! Blood Glucose Monitor - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeC81T ) 1370658;1452824907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00049809 = 2.2912 BTC [-] 1370659;1452826371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00050891 = 22.0612 BTC [+] {5} 1370660;1452826639;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370562 << take a guess. 1370661;1452826639;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 00:52:44; phf: asciilifeform: in your pgp version are you getting rid of the whole keyring concept? i assume the switch is to "a folder full of ascs"? 1370662;1452826664;asciilifeform;fuck hidden state. 1370663;1452826704;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370564 << holy fuck what a snorefest 1370664;1452826704;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 01:08:41; BingoBoingo: Looks like I missed https://archive.is/9Kmlb 1370665;1452826752;asciilifeform;now if only the other vermin heard hearn's 'surrender' and followed him into the sea 1370666;1452826771;asciilifeform;(do we need a magical flute to make this work ?) 1370667;1452826793;BingoBoingo;Need magical skin flute 1370668;1452826843;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370572 << ~to the merchant.~ (and yes, priced in.) but h is speaking to konsooomers, who 'if i don't see it, it doesn't exist and doesn't possibly affect me' 1370669;1452826843;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 01:14:18; mircea_popescu: for one thing, i have yet to see a tx that cost 0.1 btc fixed fee, which is what wires cost. for the other, credit cards are UNIVERSALY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WIRES. 1370670;1452827652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00049809 = 3.4119 BTC [-] {2} 1370671;1452827724;adlai;magic flutes playing funeral marches rival buggywhips as chicken repellent 1370672;1452827817;asciilifeform;http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sexism_videogames << mega-l0l from BingoBoingo's link 1370673;1452827818;assbot;Sexism in video games: the solution nobody is talking about. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Sxz ) 1370674;1452827867;adlai;asciilifeform: since when are you reimplementing keyring-aware pgp? 1370675;1452827875;asciilifeform;since never 1370676;1452827889;adlai;aiui cardano only needs to know of a single key 1370677;1452827893;asciilifeform;aha 1370678;1452827900;asciilifeform;adlai: i think phf was asking about 'p' 1370679;1452827905;adlai;aha 1370680;1452827913;asciilifeform;and keyrings are retarded, and will not appear in any form 1370681;1452827957;*;adlai is reminded of a snide remark made behind the back of an aging warrant officer: "your measure of success in life is inversely proportional to the weight and noise of your keyring" 1370682;1452828029;asciilifeform;i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key 1370683;1452828035;asciilifeform;(rather than today, 12) 1370684;1452828078;asciilifeform;http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=apple_store_ban << lulzy re: crapple 1370685;1452828079;assbot;Confirmed: I'm banned from Apple Stores. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd5vXQ ) 1370686;1452828204;*;adlai somehow doesn't imagine asciilifeform walking around with 12 cardanos looped into his belt 1370687;1452828324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00049809 = 2.7395 BTC [-] {2} 1370688;1452828918;adlai;actual quote from meatwot-pope: "if somebody executes a death warrant against somebody trying to improve bitcoin, i'll fund and execute one against them myself" (don't judge him, he's prone to angry outbursts) 1370689;1452829014;BingoBoingo;adlai: You might need to luke-jr against that pope 1370690;1452829105;*;adlai always kept spare earplugs hidden in his 'buggywhip' 1370691;1452829426;BingoBoingo;Anyways adlai, my impression that that belt is not where one wears cardano 1370692;1452829533;adlai;this is why people who wish for success in life don't go into warrant officer carreers, or even avoid .mil altogether 1370693;1452829548;adlai;!up AdrianG 1370694;1452829582;AdrianG;thx 1370695;1452829703;AdrianG;how do i obtain voice on join? 1370696;1452829744;danielpbarron;!gettrust assbot AdrianG 1370697;1452829744;assbot;AdrianG is not registered in WoT. 1370698;1452829767;AdrianG;? 1370699;1452829877;BingoBoingo;!help 1370700;1452829877;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1370701;1452829883;BingoBoingo;^ AdrianG 1370702;1452829891;danielpbarron;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1370703;1452829893;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1370704;1452829989;adlai;in other news, https://i.imgur.com/AYOxr2h.jpg 1370705;1452829990;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmCEo9 ) 1370706;1452830131;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369311 << incf! 1370707;1452830131;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 17:22:06; ascii_butugychag: http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty. 1370708;1452830135;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370704 << win 1370709;1452830135;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 03:53:09; adlai: in other news, https://i.imgur.com/AYOxr2h.jpg 1370710;1452830167;adlai;more as a 'lisp for its target audience' than anything else, tbh 1370711;1452830181;asciilifeform;adlai: it is not a general-purpose lisp at all 1370712;1452830214;asciilifeform;(implemented on a cl, yes, but is really a specialist tool) 1370713;1452830222;adlai;this is an excellent infection vector, like how my floss-hating friend now uses gimp 1370714;1452830295;adlai;(and blender, and linux... he's not yet sold on bitcoin, suffering from a terminal case of fiat-startuptardation) 1370715;1452830416;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The black hole treatment may have moved on to... me. Several times today restarted home node after finding myself stuck 3 to 14 blocks behind. Just recovered from a 4 hour lag. 1370716;1452830459;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: proper blackhole, with the characteristic logz, or plain old lag ? 1370717;1452830479;AdrianG;!gettrust assbot AdrianG 1370718;1452830479;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/ 1370719;1452830511;BingoBoingo;plain lag it seems so far. Wasn't anticipating so hadn't set up anything looking for it yet. What should I be looking for? 1370720;1452830529;BingoBoingo;AdrianG: Mebbe introduce yourself? 1370721;1452830576;AdrianG;ive been reading about this place. 1370722;1452830600;BingoBoingo;Cool 1370723;1452830635;BingoBoingo;Just helps if you let people know who your are. For example: I'm BingoBoingo and I'm an alcoholic. 1370724;1452830676;AdrianG;do you irc drunk too? 1370725;1452830707;BingoBoingo;Not anymore. Sober a bit less than 3 months nao. 1370726;1452830747;AdrianG;im mainly interested in crypto tech, all these bitcoins/etc. 1370727;1452830772;BingoBoingo;I could not do it alone. I had to turn my will and life over to my higher power, Brodin the Allspotter. 1370728;1452830775;AdrianG;just wanted to idle mainly and see what ppl are talking about, i dont chat that much these days 1370729;1452830780;AdrianG;lol 1370730;1452830784;BingoBoingo;Ah 1370731;1452830818;*;adlai answers AdrianG from pm: self-voicing is for people two steps removed from assbot so no, I can not help you in this regard 1370732;1452830820;AdrianG;things got more interesting recently with all these blocksizes 1370733;1452830851;BingoBoingo;AdrianG: It's just hard to get that first rating unless you give people something to judge you by whether it's throwing out ideas in channel here or linking some previous stuff to read. 1370734;1452830933;adlai;or writing articles for qntra, which is always in need of biased yet accurate coverage of technical news 1370735;1452830979;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/#comment-38941 1370736;1452830980;assbot;“They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFkSW ) 1370737;1452830997;AdrianG;adlai: you write for qntra? 1370738;1452831009;adlai;http://qntra.net/author/adlai/ 1370739;1452831010;assbot;Adlai | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmFoCa ) 1370740;1452831059;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Of course you are 1370741;1452831116;pete_dushenski;of course ? 1370742;1452831151;pete_dushenski;i play white collar sports goddamit 1370743;1452831167;pete_dushenski;i wasn't raised in a country barn yknow 1370744;1452831203;pete_dushenski;mod6: you around ? 1370745;1452831234;BingoBoingo;I wasn't raised in a barn either, but I can still smell barn when the wind comes from the wrong direction 1370746;1452831251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00049566 = 3.4696 BTC [-] {2} 1370747;1452831252;BingoBoingo;Or for most of the month after county fair week. 1370748;1452831429;BingoBoingo;!up AdrianG 1370749;1452831490;AdrianG;http://blog.cryptsy.com/ 1370750;1452831491;assbot;Cryptsy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmGjCv ) 1370751;1452831497;AdrianG;irc trojan in the wallet code, heh. 1370752;1452831531;mod6;pete_dushenski: yup, how goes it? 1370753;1452831592;pete_dushenski;blame irc for all the world's problems !! 1370754;1452831696;danielpbarron;!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.AdrianG.1:50fcf710cef58ed3dbf0da8ef386bbe1897c392c11e2731920a14d8803173bc4 1370755;1452831697;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for AdrianG with note: Seen him in other channels. 1370756;1452831980;AdrianG;thx 1370757;1452832395;adlai;beautiful watching children reinvent the WoT... tearfully reminds one of the early days of forum.bitcoin.com 1370758;1452832398;adlai;https://archive.is/eqaXs 1370759;1452832398;assbot;BitcoinX Membership | BitcoinX ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmHUbx ) 1370760;1452832508;AdrianG;adlai: have you seen keybase? 1370761;1452832537;adlai;have you seen /r/btc_superclassico? 1370762;1452832592;adlai;if you're serving clients javascript pgp implementations, you may have a better career happiness brokering fiat options by telephone 1370763;1452832686;adlai;legal in israel, pays in "economic numbers" relative to the salesmen's previous jobs (hocking 'dead sea salt' in your local consumeristemple), rapidly replacing manufacture of arms both small and precise as the nation's primary income stream 1370764;1452832930;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=8pmw5CAc3rk 1370765;1452832930;assbot;Two Visions | Bernie Sanders - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmIV3j ) 1370766;1452832942;adlai;seeing as AdrianG did not !register in-channel, we now notice that post-gribble asswot has no way of publicly conjuring public-keyring contents 1370767;1452833020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049793 = 2.5892 BTC [-] {3} 1370768;1452833089;ben_vulpes;since sks is on the chopping block next, i imagine !register will eventually eat plaintext pubkeys. 1370769;1452833128;*;adlai is looking for !pubkey that poops them back out 1370770;1452833146;ben_vulpes;mhm 1370771;1452833190;adlai;if nothing else, just for verification that what you sent in !register didn't get diddled (assuming assbot itself doesn't use mpex security standard) 1370772;1452833242;*;adlai wonders where on the chopping block lie replay attack prevention 1370773;1452833578;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370091 << fixed, ty 1370774;1452833578;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 14:05:57; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1370775;1452834029;*;adlai can't find the trollbox input field? 1370776;1452834042;ben_vulpes;keep looking 1370777;1452834119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3044 @ 0.00049566 = 1.5088 BTC [-] {2} 1370778;1452834259;adlai;;;later tell dub re: comment in https://archive.is/aLk6f, you omit the reason why this is an excellent s-pass filter: technical barriers to entry leave low-content photons behind. cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512 1370779;1452834260;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTmldc ) 1370780;1452834260;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece. 1370781;1452834260;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1370782;1452834419;adlai;ben_vulpes re: "not operating a public urinal", tel aviv municipality has begun charging shnekels 1370783;1452834506;*;adlai notes that mircea_popescu has voluntarily stuffed a gold bar into one of these, which is quite generous of him; once it runs low, it should really be somebody else's turn to jam the meter 1370784;1452834546;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: do you still have a copy of trinque's gentooizer? 1370785;1452834698;adlai;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/25_ann-wotpaste-alpha-oh-and-i-found-another-fucked-up-corner-of-gpg.html#fnr.1 << this is a not-bug-feature in deed^I (ping trinque ), gives the operator lead time in the nickel snatching race 1370786;1452834699;assbot;[ANN] WOTPASTE Alpha (oh and I found another fucked up corner of GPG...) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmLvpX ) 1370787;1452835034;trinque;ben_vulpes: I have it 1370788;1452835095;ben_vulpes;neato, trinque. i'd love a copy. 1370789;1452835135;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239184 1370790;1452835135;assbot;Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig 1370791;1452835199;trinque;having logs is so great. 1370792;1452835211;trinque;I mean that as broadly as possible. 1370793;1452835241;trinque;moreover logs with cryptographically preserved time capsules 1370794;1452835366;adlai;deed-by-month is the enemy of merkle mountaineering greatness 1370795;1452835399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4434 @ 0.00049653 = 2.2016 BTC [+] 1370796;1452835408;adlai;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/21_development-costs-of-user-interface-development-and-mitigating-them-with-clojurescript.html#fn.1 << shit, my business model leaked 1370797;1452835409;assbot;Development Costs of User Interface Development (and mitigating them with Clojure/Script) ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmMFBY ) 1370798;1452835618;adlai;ben_vulpes: seen yet? https://www.iit.bme.hu/~salvi/archive/snippets/subdivision-source.html 1370799;1452835667;pete_dushenski;https://map.what3words.com/ << " what3words has identified every one of the 57 trillion 3mx3m squares on the entire planet with just three, easy to remember, words. Every location on the earth now has a fixed, easily-accessible and memorable address. Unpopulated places have addresses for the first time ever, of course, but now so do heavily populated places like favelas in Brazil where there are no roads or numb 1370800;1452835670;pete_dushenski;ered houses. Moreover the three word addresses are available not just in English but in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Swahili, Russian, German, Turkish and Swedish with more languages on the way. The addresses in other languages are not translations but unique 3 word addresses in those languages." 1370801;1452835864;adlai;next up, utxo-bloating "global triverb billboard" 1370802;1452835885;ben_vulpes;one of my favorite parts of addresses is how they indicate relative proximity to someone who knows the map 1370803;1452835894;ben_vulpes;i don't really see that in 3w 1370804;1452835910;adlai;you're looking at implementation bugs, the idea is priceless 1370805;1452835922;adlai;or worthless. or both 1370806;1452835964;punkman;http://blog.babelmonkeys.de/2014/04/29/data-flow-party.html more gcc fun 1370807;1452835965;assbot;A little data-flow analysis party trick ... ( http://bit.ly/1UToYvm ) 1370808;1452836282;trinque;adlai: on my list is having the... urinal as you call it... announce its hunger 1370809;1452836413;trinque;by god, sometime this month it might even have a fully synced trb to poke too 1370810;1452836471;trinque;I'm still waiting on your generous donation btw, Anduck 1370811;1452836542;punkman;notbad alt-deedbot I saw https://bitsig.io/ 1370812;1452836543;assbot;bitsig - Blockchain Timestamps ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTq4aw ) 1370813;1452836777;ben_vulpes;re sks thread signed bundles of keys on everyone's websites is probably the best way to go 1370814;1452836863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4310 @ 0.00049896 = 2.1505 BTC [+] {2} 1370815;1452837129;adlai;bestgood alt-deedbot is http://cryptograffiti.info/ 1370816;1452837131;assbot;CryptoGraffiti - Bitcoin blockchain messages as text ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTqWft ) 1370817;1452837137;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: re: 3x, that's an excellent point. they really don't take that into account. 1370818;1452837152;adlai;because it actually does what idiots think it does, and thus minimizes gnashing of teeth 1370819;1452837214;*;adlai has been studying https://github.com/HugPuddle/Apertus lately, will probably push blockchainfs onto the endless moebius TODO stack, along with utxosetfs 1370820;1452837215;assbot;GitHub - HugPuddle/Apertus: Apertus - Store data, browse and communicate on your favorite Blockchains. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTr5j4 ) 1370821;1452837246;adlai;the latter purely to annoy those who don't understand why bloom filters belong in Bitcoin 1370822;1452837717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2390 @ 0.00050317 = 1.2026 BTC [+] 1370823;1452837864;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time 1370824;1452837864;assbot;Logged on 11-12-2015 15:09:13; asciilifeform: adlai: have you considered starting a proper blog ? 1370825;1452838100;punkman;adlai: how does apertus encode the data? 1370826;1452838105;adlai;call it an experiment in a new funding model for open source software / pheature poker 1370827;1452838118;adlai;punkman: unimpressively 1370828;1452838190;adlai;https://webbtc.com/tx/78f0e6de0ce007f4dd4a09085e649d7e354f70bc7da06d697b167f353f115b8e << spam, spam, fees, spam, utxo bloat, spam 1370829;1452838191;assbot;Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Transaction Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTsHcu ) 1370830;1452838290;punkman;ben_vulpes: the one with "locality-sensitive-hashing" is http://geohash.org/ 1370831;1452838301;*;adlai wouldn't blink at a USG imprisonment warrant (and seizure of License to Mine) against such txen 1370832;1452838476;BingoBoingo;Bundy builds roads https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/687837389092331521 1370833;1452838495;ben_vulpes;!up punindented 1370834;1452838523;punindented;tx 1370835;1452838553;punindented;I'll let this here http://www.spatial-effects.com/urisa/ 1370836;1452838563;ben_vulpes;dont mention it 1370837;1452838619;ben_vulpes;dunno that im into geocoding at all nearly so much as legibility 1370838;1452838653;punindented;well, you can build a hash using that algo and then represent it as you like 1370839;1452838660;punindented;a mnemonic if you're into that 1370840;1452838687;punindented;good thing about that algo is larger areas produce shorter hashes 1370841;1452838717;ben_vulpes;did you catch my point about proximity info embedded in the way things are done traditionally? 1370842;1452838736;punindented;no, let me check the log 1370843;1452838799;punindented;relative proximity in terms of radius or direction and distance? 1370844;1452838814;ben_vulpes;addresses increment from known points, streets are in locations known to natives. addresses encode 'where', legibly. 1370845;1452838853;*;adlai has rekindled interest in publicurinalfs due to meatpope wanting to immortalize [some arbitrary edition of] {the,his} Bible 1370846;1452838867;punindented;well, you have a recursive algo as well then, but the epicenter varies right? 1370847;1452838883;adlai;meatpope, like the other kinds, has rubies to donate, provided it's done in a kosher manner according to satoshivision etc 1370848;1452838893;ben_vulpes;yes, one must know how to read them. the universality, plus the randomness of hashing completely buries the location signal. 1370849;1452838928;punindented;what are you building :) 1370850;1452838966;punkman;https://github.com/google/open-location-code/blob/master/docs/comparison.adoc nice list of geohashes 1370851;1452838967;assbot;open-location-code/comparison.adoc at master · google/open-location-code · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtQRf ) 1370852;1452838977;ben_vulpes;me? nothing, just pointing out features of the way addresses already work. 1370853;1452839009;punindented;mkay, I have a 'dirty' mind 1370854;1452839045;ben_vulpes;lol dirty how? 1370855;1452839061;BingoBoingo;People who really ought to be reading Qntra instead of medium and livejournal https://archive.is/EbFmp 1370856;1452839062;assbot;Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn want to sabotage Bitcoin on behalf of the US government. - Andrew Auernheimer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTtY3m ) 1370857;1452839097;adlai;BingoBoingo: /= read eval print 1370858;1452839112;BingoBoingo;? 1370859;1452839114;*;adlai ... loops 1370860;1452839121;punindented;geocoding is interesting for allowing interactions in real life, interactions in real life are interesting to build markets, ... 1370861;1452839123;adlai;it's a lisp joke 1370862;1452839132;BingoBoingo;eggog <2lsd 1370863;1452839143;adlai;!s meth-lsd 1370864;1452839144;assbot;3 results for 'meth-lsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meth-lsd 1370865;1452839230;*;adlai is a lotus eater and humbles himself before higher powers such as the legends of bias, zeno, jmc, and satoshi 1370866;1452839302;ben_vulpes;punindented: real life interactions have just about epsilon need of geocoding to proceed 1370867;1452839391;pete_dushenski;http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protections-urged-recent-sex-assaults-nyc-cabs-36218847 << lulz. "please, be more like progressive saudi arabia, where wimminz aren't allowed to leave their houses without their chaperones. kthxbye." 1370868;1452839396;assbot;NYC Police Boss Urges 'Buddy System' for Women in Cabs - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuvlT ) 1370869;1452839396;ben_vulpes;but hey, posit a specific case and let's proceed from there 1370870;1452839404;punindented;what about secure real life transactions 1370871;1452839425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3565 @ 0.00050366 = 1.7955 BTC [+] {3} 1370872;1452839429;punindented;between previously unknown people 1370873;1452839440;ben_vulpes;i bought a car for 6kusd from a man i found on craigslist who...sent me his address. 1370874;1452839446;ben_vulpes;and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't? 1370875;1452839486;punindented;haha, well, I wasn't thinking of the second hand vehicle market 1370876;1452839512;adlai;punindented: the good-enough solution (drops) gets rediscovered on p2p lists quite often these days... yet customers seem to keep using 'evolution' 1370877;1452839514;ben_vulpes;and yes, the likes of asciilifeform and i gather punindented boggle at the notion of doing h2h's with marginally-known parties with kilobuxx on the barrel 1370878;1452839539;ben_vulpes;although asciilifeform probably does the sme thing with esoteric computer hardware. how would i know... 1370879;1452839564;ben_vulpes;o this is the sr thread again? 1370880;1452839567;adlai;drops are best described not as a coordinate, but using natural language... helps make the system more expensive to game 1370881;1452839581;adlai;pretty much, unless punindented has something else in mind? 1370882;1452839588;punindented;nah, let it go 1370883;1452839616;ben_vulpes;hey, nobody's going to know what you're talking about unless you go so far as to talk about it 1370884;1452839620;BingoBoingo;What happens when Vox.com makes the guy who was interested in Bitcoin sell https://archive.is/u2Uok 1370885;1452839621;assbot;Timothy B. Lee on Twitter: "Is Mike Hearn's post here overstating the magnitude of Bitcoin's crisis? https://t.co/qxLqfk9VRR" ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuRc9 ) 1370886;1452839654;pete_dushenski;http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/12-things-to-know-about-chevrolets-30000-bolt-ev << one for BingoBoingo, the boltmeister. 1370887;1452839654;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTuVbS ) 1370888;1452839655;BingoBoingo; and yes i took a goon, but who doesn't? << Persons who are their own goon 1370889;1452839689;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I'm fine watching the bolt ans tesla both suck together 1370890;1452839690;ben_vulpes;btw BingoBoingo i did not miss the brodin line, chuckled 1370891;1452839699;ben_vulpes;but are you really that swole yet? 1370892;1452839699;BingoBoingo;ty ben_vulpes 1370893;1452839704;pete_dushenski;looks like the vw golf-sized bolt weighs damn near two tons. gooooo environment ! 1370894;1452839706;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Not that swole yet 1370895;1452839743;pete_dushenski;and lg chem is making the battery for the bolt (but really, who else ?) 1370896;1452839769;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: so is there something wrong with the volt drivetrain that it's not showing up in pickups etc? 1370897;1452839791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6001 @ 0.00049817 = 2.9895 BTC [-] {3} 1370898;1452839791;ben_vulpes;it looks like the least stupid thing to come out of the ecomovement from over here 1370899;1452839801;pete_dushenski;it's more the market demographics 1370900;1452839811;pete_dushenski;there's pretty well zero overlap between greenies and truck drivers 1370901;1452839825;ben_vulpes;but that low end torque! 1370902;1452839831;pete_dushenski;gm tried 'hybrid' pick-ups, sold like 10 of em 1370903;1452839866;ben_vulpes;nono not the hybrid part, i dgaf abt that. the electric motors with onboard generation. 1370904;1452839938;pete_dushenski;the thing is, electric cars have to optimise aero. in the gm 'hybrid' pick-ups, the heinous 'aero' front lip spoilers completely negated the ground clearance, and therefore much of the appeal of trucks in the first place 1370905;1452839982;ben_vulpes;... 1370906;1452839993;ben_vulpes;ecoshits aside 1370907;1452840003;ben_vulpes;oh hm 1370908;1452840030;ben_vulpes;they cant conceive of unbundling the good idea from the rhetoric. 1370909;1452840069;pete_dushenski;you want torque, buy a diesel. 1370910;1452840085;pete_dushenski;diesel makes moar smoak too, moar prestige 1370911;1452840089;ben_vulpes;too loud. 1370912;1452840108;pete_dushenski;you're obviously not a pick-up truck buyer 1370913;1452840123;pete_dushenski;they're 80% for show 1370914;1452840137;ben_vulpes;electric drivetrain with onboard generation is entirely the way to go. the train people figured this out a looong ime ago; "diesel electric". 1370915;1452840149;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: yes there's clearly something at work other than sanity 1370916;1452840178;pete_dushenski;yup, "people who shouldn't have money with middling amounts of it" 1370917;1452840202;ben_vulpes;one of your favorite threads :P 1370918;1452840210;pete_dushenski;trains also don't accelerate and decelerate as quickly or as frequently 1370919;1452840220;pete_dushenski;as road vehicles 1370920;1452840232;ben_vulpes;goodness no, they're designed by smart people to...work efficiently as capital equipment. 1370921;1452840330;ben_vulpes;fucking interstate highway project. greatest goddamn misstep. 1370922;1452840332;pete_dushenski;http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-chevrolet-tahoe-hybrid-side.jpg << tahoe hybrid, same '2-mode' powertrain as silverado pick-up, same retarded-on-a-stick aero kit 1370923;1452840335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6f88R ) 1370924;1452840335;ben_vulpes;BURN YOUR CAR. 1370925;1452840427;adlai;buy a bike, you'll learn more about trading and addiction from not getting run over than you will from losing money on plebian status symbols 1370926;1452840439;adlai;better yet, rent one, if you live in a halfway modern metropolis 1370927;1452840457;pete_dushenski;and skip the helmet 1370928;1452840465;*;adlai is still waiting for his bus 1370929;1452840471;*;ben_vulpes has bikes at three houses around town 1370930;1452840498;ben_vulpes;helmet still recommended if yr gonna play the alleycat 1370931;1452840511;BingoBoingo;The GM hybrid trucks were far more popular for being portable generators than for their hybrid drive, which almost never actually... drove the trucks 1370932;1452840532;ben_vulpes;but yeah notrly necessary for the casual pannier derp 1370933;1452840549;pete_dushenski;what's an alleycat ? 1370934;1452840560;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho 1370935;1452840562;pete_dushenski;in cyclist lingo 1370936;1452840576;ben_vulpes;bike scum shit 1370937;1452840601;ben_vulpes;"here are ten checkpoints in the metro area. GO!" 1370938;1452840639;*;adlai would kill [his reputation] for a livable career as a bike messenger 1370939;1452840686;adlai;excellent way to literally die honoring a contract (or serving a subpoena) 1370940;1452840713;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: are there no bike scum where you live? 1370941;1452840760;ben_vulpes;tallbikes, gorilla bars, swing-arms? 1370942;1452840773;pete_dushenski;not really. the potholes and the snow are pretty potent deterrents i guess 1370943;1452840788;pete_dushenski;if there are, they're few and far between 1370944;1452840824;ben_vulpes;shame 1370945;1452840838;pete_dushenski;lol 1370946;1452840862;ben_vulpes;you should see pedalpalooza 1370947;1452840885;ben_vulpes;adlai: might enjoy it 1370948;1452840950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00049566 = 2.4287 BTC [-] {2} 1370949;1452841114;*;adlai is too busy riding his other bike to notice/'google' 1370950;1452841425;punkman;https://www.flexport.com/blog/amazon-ocean-freight-forwarder/ 1370951;1452841427;assbot;Amazon Has Just Registered to Sell Ocean Freight ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6g5hz ) 1370952;1452841727;ben_vulpes;lol 1370953;1452841753;ben_vulpes;i can see them snapping up a mess of freighters at rock bottom prices as the bdi keeps collapsing 1370954;1452841857;ben_vulpes;"But the idea of buying ocean freight is far less appealing for U.S. companies selling on the Amazon Marketplace. " << you don't fucking say i'm pretty sure i learned during the alcoa saga that nobody exports from the states any more 1370955;1452841888;*;pete_dushenski to sleep 1370956;1452841954;ben_vulpes;wow 40-footers going for 1.3k from shenzen to la 1370957;1452841963;ben_vulpes;betcha you can keep the box too 1370958;1452842053;ben_vulpes;;;8377.5 * 0.24 1370959;1452842054;gribble;Error: "8377.5" is not a valid command. 1370960;1452842062;ben_vulpes;;;calc 8377.5 * 0.24 1370961;1452842062;gribble;2010.6 1370962;1452842082;ben_vulpes;ahaha man if they're letting you keep the container you might even be able to make a profit just selling the empty boxes for scrap 1370963;1452842119;ben_vulpes;wait that's stainless 1370964;1452842120;ben_vulpes;:( 1370965;1452842232;ben_vulpes;anyways, it's not amazon, it's amazon cn, and they're not buying boats, they're operating as a freight forwarder. 1370966;1452842429;Atomicat;;;up Transisto2 1370967;1452842429;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command. 1370968;1452842469;Atomicat;!up Transisto2 1370969;1452842475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00050603 = 1.3916 BTC [+] {2} 1370970;1452842477;Atomicat;Transisto2: Hi 1370971;1452843329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2847 @ 0.00050144 = 1.4276 BTC [-] {2} 1370972;1452844351;ben_vulpes;;;sell 1000 1370973;1452844351;gribble;(sell [at|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message) 1370974;1452844359;ben_vulpes;;;market sell 1000 1370975;1452844360;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 405869.8939 USD and would take the last price down to 404.7000 USD, resulting in an average price of 405.8699 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0048 seconds 1370976;1452844370;ben_vulpes;;;market sell 2000 1370977;1452844371;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 809373.3715 USD and would take the last price down to 403.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 404.6867 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 10.3600 seconds 1370978;1452844379;ben_vulpes;;;market sell 5000 1370979;1452844379;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 2012068.3060 USD and would take the last price down to 399.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 402.4137 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.6682 seconds 1370980;1452844388;ben_vulpes;;;market sell 10000 1370981;1452844389;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3922378.5897 USD and would take the last price down to 362.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 392.2379 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 28.1804 seconds 1370982;1452844404;ben_vulpes;;;market sell 100000 1370983;1452844404;gribble;Bitfinex | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 7221905.5597 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0010 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.2191 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 43.9365 seconds 1370984;1452844549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00050849 = 3.5121 BTC [+] {3} 1370985;1452844915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050999 = 1.224 BTC [+] 1370986;1452845316;jurov;ben_vulpes yay. it does not account for encoding, as seen in view-source:http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f3e6ddef-9c00-43d9-ab4f-3d02d64409f4/?raw=true 1370987;1452845403;jurov;also, if there will ever be need for clearsigned-only service, ask me to make new mailing list next to btc-dev (and unlike deedbot, it allows attachments, too) 1370988;1452845456;jurov;with great sadness i have to announce that now it does not even mutilate filenames 1370989;1452845830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00050999 = 1.8105 BTC [+] 1370990;1452847054;ben_vulpes;to the extent it was designed, it was designed to eat ascii. 1370991;1452847132;ben_vulpes;what would you expect to see there? 1370992;1452847498;jurov;when submitting form, browser sends along the encoding. 1370993;1452847523;jurov;not a biggie to send it back, even slap the http header to raw text (text/plain;charset="$charset") 1370994;1452847653;ben_vulpes;browser also submits 1370995;1452847653;ben_vulpes;r 1370996;1452847660;ben_vulpes;\r\n for every newline 1370997;1452847669;ben_vulpes;but sure 1370998;1452847710;ben_vulpes;i can almost guarantee that i am not catching encodings right now 1370999;1452848121;adlai;;;nethash 1371000;1452848122;gribble;770518178.742 1371001;1452848148;adlai;where'd it all go? did mickey sell his miners too? 1371002;1452848288;*;adlai clarifies http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370823 : http://dpaste.com/2AKWGVC.txt aka "experiments in positive-sum crowdfunding" 1371003;1452848288;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:04:24; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2015#1341098 << books must be written one prop at a time 1371004;1452848291;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6p5Du ) 1371005;1452850221;adlai;in other tweets, https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights/status/687837368204668929 1371006;1452852026;punkman;http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/14/nhtsa-detroit-auto-show-autonomous-vehicles/78792868/ 1371007;1452852027;assbot;Obama administration ready to put $4B toward self-driving cars ... ( http://bit.ly/1Om1OMD ) 1371008;1452852236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2214 @ 0.00050999 = 1.1291 BTC [+] 1371009;1452853151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00050999 = 2.8667 BTC [+] 1371010;1452853851;mircea_popescu;fresh from the... cupines. "I'm obese, but you are hilarious!" 1371011;1452854066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7314 @ 0.00050608 = 3.7015 BTC [-] {3} 1371012;1452854252;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370649 << you are very much correct, upon meditation. mike hearn is pretty much the amir taaki of 2014-2015. 1371013;1452854252;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 01:52:40; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, but I can only ever name one at a time and never specify and ordering lest I jinx the list. This is still feeling now like an alt universe version of 2012-2013 1371014;1452854297;mircea_popescu;as a sign of bitcoin's progress in the intervening coupla years, the amir taaki v2.0 can marginally spell, and in a very flat, vulgar manner express himself in writing. 1371015;1452854648;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370666 << more like a magical dildo. 1371016;1452854648;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 02:59:31; asciilifeform: (do we need a magical flute to make this work ?) 1371017;1452854867;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370672 << omfg bb got credited with maddox111! 1371018;1452854867;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 03:16:57; asciilifeform: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sexism_videogames << mega-l0l from BingoBoingo's link 1371019;1452855059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370682 << you would think that the fucking idiots making handcuffs would have figured out the importance of all using the same key. but no : everyone uses ever-so-slightly-different plain, rectangular shits. and so because i have a bunch of various cuffs and because ending up unable to free a girl happened exactly once... i'm stuck carrying around a fucking pile of tiny l 1371020;1452855059;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 03:20:29; asciilifeform: i suppose height of my career was as a penniless student: 1 key 1371021;1452855059;mircea_popescu;ittle almost-identical keys. 1371022;1452855132;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370688 << herpitty derp, maybe at some point idjit in question learns what the key feature of CRYPTOworld is. 1371023;1452855132;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 03:35:18; adlai: actual quote from meatwot-pope: "if somebody executes a death warrant against somebody trying to improve bitcoin, i'll fund and execute one against them myself" (don't judge him, he's prone to angry outbursts) 1371024;1452855251;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370692 << i would much prefer a good warrant officer in a career of warrant officer than fucking around the internets trying to "find [the true] himself" because his delusions of success make it look like anything other than BEING GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. 1371025;1452855251;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 03:45:33; adlai: this is why people who wish for success in life don't go into warrant officer carreers, or even avoid .mil altogether 1371026;1452855270;mircea_popescu;i've known tramps more successful in life than the sort of pointless idiots that come out of "ivy league". 1371027;1452855290;mircea_popescu;this because the tramps were tramps, whereas pressed shit doth not intellectual makes. 1371028;1452855591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00050999 = 3.5189 BTC [+] 1371029;1452855710;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370727 << is this Carolyn Burnham's archnemesis ? 1371030;1452855710;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 04:06:12; BingoBoingo: I could not do it alone. I had to turn my will and life over to my higher power, Brodin the Allspotter. 1371031;1452855775;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370732 << "overnight success usually takes 20 years" or how did that go. 1371032;1452855775;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 04:07:00; AdrianG: things got more interesting recently with all these blocksizes 1371033;1452856126;mircea_popescu;"The decision was made to pull from our profits to fill these wallets back up over time, thus attempting to avert complete closure of the website at that time. " 1371034;1452856127;mircea_popescu;oh i see. 1371035;1452856313;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370766 << btcalpha will have it tomorrow. 1371036;1452856313;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 04:42:22; adlai: seeing as AdrianG did not !register in-channel, we now notice that post-gribble asswot has no way of publicly conjuring public-keyring contents 1371037;1452856389;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370778 << do not put comas after urls. 1371038;1452856389;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 05:04:19; adlai: ;;later tell dub re: comment in https://archive.is/aLk6f, you omit the reason why this is an excellent s-pass filter: technical barriers to entry leave low-content photons behind. cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512 1371039;1452857279;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes Do so (this is not a GPG guide), << Do so (GPG guide), ? 1371040;1452857492;mircea_popescu;hehe check that out, dub got repelled by the antiuniversalist nature of the new democracy. turns out he was right : the citostatic has prevented tumours (doublespoken as "the channel") from growing. it has however not prevented the list of our accomplishments from growing, which was exactly the fucking point. we don't want more people, and we sure as fuck don't want "all the people". we just want a larger share of ever 1371041;1452857493;mircea_popescu;ything good to flow to ~these~ people, and for it to constantly enlarge. that is all. 1371042;1452857499;mircea_popescu;universalism is for nematodes. 1371043;1452857543;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "Updated: 1/14/2014" << are you from the past ? 1371044;1452858024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370800 << this is actually not a bad application of the dicelist. course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets. 1371045;1452858024;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 05:27:50; pete_dushenski: ered houses. Moreover the three word addresses are available not just in English but in French, Spanish, Portuguese, Swahili, Russian, German, Turkish and Swedish with more languages on the way. The addresses in other languages are not translations but unique 3 word addresses in those languages." 1371046;1452858053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370802 << yes but they don't want that, because much like everything else spawned by usg, they want you to need them. 1371047;1452858053;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 05:31:25; ben_vulpes: one of my favorite parts of addresses is how they indicate relative proximity to someone who knows the map 1371048;1452858088;mircea_popescu;think dns, if getting other websites i like would be as easy as adding 1 to "trilema.com"... 1371049;1452858102;mircea_popescu;but of course you can't SIMPLY ADD STRINGS NUMERICALLY right ? :D 1371050;1452858581;punkman;course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets. << their android sdk has all the data/code needed to run your own actually 1371051;1452858663;mircea_popescu;there is exactly 0 possibility that one tries to heysteve and is not rentseeking. 1371052;1452858677;mircea_popescu;strictly the only reason you might try to name things you don't own is your hope to steal a little. 1371053;1452858726;mircea_popescu;which is why your parents calling you joe is a fundamentally different activity from the girl at the bar saying "hey stud" or the dudes threatened thereby going "hey loser". 1371054;1452858968;punkman;myeah disregard my comment "Our goal is for what3words to become a global standard for communicating location. At the moment, the core what3words algorithms and data are not in the public domain. In the future, we may release some or all of our source code – we will continually evaluate the business case for doing this." 1371055;1452859009;mircea_popescu;heh 1371056;1452859023;mircea_popescu;the "business case", right ? 1371057;1452859041;mircea_popescu;like google's been evaluating the "business case" for not being evil. 1371058;1452859525;mircea_popescu;timothy b lee > wants to write about bitcoin > is not in #bitcoin-assets >wonders why he can't make sense of anything. 1371059;1452859528;mircea_popescu;gg jurnos! 1371060;1452859672;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370901 << yeah srsly. there's a fucking reason there's diesel-electric train engines. 1371061;1452859672;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:37:05; ben_vulpes: but that low end torque! 1371062;1452859710;shinohai;;;blocks 1371063;1452859711;gribble;393413 1371064;1452859712;mircea_popescu;for applications where the low end of the torque curve is what pays the bills, it is actually worth to generate electricity and run an electric engine rather than run a straight combustion engine arrangement 1371065;1452859725;shinohai;I am at 391667 finally 1371066;1452859735;mircea_popescu;but try and explain it to the ustardian weabos that they are solving an imagined problem with the exactly anti-adequate tools. 1371067;1452859745;mircea_popescu;heh almost there shinohai wd. 1371068;1452859806;shinohai;patience 1371069;1452859823;shinohai;Mine hath been tested. 1371070;1452859844;mircea_popescu;how long did this take ? 1371071;1452859869;shinohai;3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall 1371072;1452859948;mircea_popescu;my 3 week old node is at 332425 1371073;1452859976;shinohai;I dunno mod6 told me it was normal 1371074;1452860010;mircea_popescu;yeah, it is. this is a slightly beefier machine 1371075;1452860011;shinohai;So i just let it chug along. It's running on a shitty board tbh 1371076;1452860193;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering an electric engine 1371077;1452860193;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:38:58; pete_dushenski: the thing is, electric cars have to optimise aero. in the gm 'hybrid' pick-ups, the heinous 'aero' front lip spoilers completely negated the ground clearance, and therefore much of the appeal of trucks in the first place 1371078;1452860193;mircea_popescu;to power the drive train function of torque draw. and just for the marketing, put optional TRACK kit on the list. 1371079;1452860207;mircea_popescu;make it 3-4 tons, damned thing could pretty much climb straight up a wall. 1371080;1452860214;mircea_popescu;definitely could pull a us-style house. 1371081;1452860233;mircea_popescu;there clearly exists a market for $100k cars, and this wouldn't take that to make. 1371082;1452860236;shinohai;!s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/ 1371083;1452860237;assbot;Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO ) 1371084;1452860238;assbot;2 results for 'http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgk2.sk%2Flets-build-a-freedom-node%2F 1371085;1452860242;mircea_popescu;bring back hardened steel bodies, etc. 1371086;1452860260;shinohai;oh yeah searched that already 1371087;1452860334;shinohai;^ advocates running XT, Tor 1371088;1452860350;mircea_popescu;have all the good ads for it : take it to a skating rink, pour water up to the axles, watch it freeze, then climb, ignition and just go. 1371089;1452860361;mircea_popescu;shinohai just tell the guy to come hiar. 1371090;1452860477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370921 << they "had to get the economy out of the slump". and so they... TARP'd the whole country. 1371091;1452860477;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:45:30; ben_vulpes: fucking interstate highway project. greatest goddamn misstep. 1371092;1452860503;mircea_popescu;to bureaucrat's credit, it must be pointed out that this time around they learned from those mistakes of the past and DIDNT spend on infrastructure. just gave the money off to the banks free and clear. 1371093;1452860539;mircea_popescu;of course, to their discredit they still didn't figure out what the COMPLETE correction to their existence is. just went from "doing something stupid" to "not doing anything". the "how about you stop existing at all" thing is too hard. 1371094;1452860649;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370931 << word. i never gave a shit about the entire http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ "boats are the place" bullshit. 1371095;1452860649;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:48:31; BingoBoingo: The GM hybrid trucks were far more popular for being portable generators than for their hybrid drive, which almost never actually... drove the trucks 1371096;1452860650;assbot;NSFW Gradina Edenului on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UUbpvI ) 1371097;1452860695;mircea_popescu;then one day power was out and suddenly... "wait, isn't that 240 HP engine backed by a full electric generator ? that could do up to 240 HP aka 180 kW ? 1371098;1452860766;mircea_popescu;(in the end it could only do about 110, but that's... still enough) 1371099;1452860920;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370954 << they export plenty, all through twitter &c 1371100;1452860920;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 07:10:57; ben_vulpes: "But the idea of buying ocean freight is far less appealing for U.S. companies selling on the Amazon Marketplace. " << you don't fucking say i'm pretty sure i learned during the alcoa saga that nobody exports from the states any more 1371101;1452860970;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370965 << and it's not a news site, it's radio erevan. 1371102;1452860970;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 07:17:12; ben_vulpes: anyways, it's not amazon, it's amazon cn, and they're not buying boats, they're operating as a freight forwarder. 1371103;1452861043;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1371104;1452861043;gribble;765883451.143 1371105;1452861047;mircea_popescu;lol aww 1371106;1452861075;mircea_popescu;we're going to see a negative correction here for fucking once. 1371107;1452861078;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1371108;1452861081;gribble;Current Blocks: 393414 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 48 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1371109;1452865778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00050415 = 2.1174 BTC [-] {2} 1371110;1452866388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00050943 = 1.6302 BTC [+] {2} 1371111;1452866543;thestringpuller;interesting rumor I heard. Gavin when teaming up with the Toomim's told them "who the opposition really was" and they want a #b-a blessing now..."convince the opposition" 1371112;1452867669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050942 = 1.5283 BTC [-] {2} 1371113;1452868218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050299 = 3.0682 BTC [-] {4} 1371114;1452868667;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371111 <<< a truce? 1371115;1452868667;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 14:02:23; thestringpuller: interesting rumor I heard. Gavin when teaming up with the Toomim's told them "who the opposition really was" and they want a #b-a blessing now..."convince the opposition" 1371116;1452868707;davout;mircea_popescu: plz to x.eur 1371117;1452868833;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1371118;1452868834;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.92, Best ask: 390.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 390.83, 24 hour volume: 73577.19043617, 24 hour low: 385.03, 24 hour high: 432.57, 24 hour vwap: None 1371119;1452868856;pete_dushenski;-10% overnight eh 1371120;1452868876;pete_dushenski;must be all the block size controversy 1371121;1452868897;pete_dushenski;"mass adoption will never happen without consensus u guise !!!1" 1371122;1452868934;mircea_popescu;on it davout 1371123;1452868961;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370438 << never forget ryan selkis >> http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/16/who-sucks-more-circle-or-twobitidiot/ 1371124;1452868961;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 21:56:37; mircea_popescu: anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs. 1371125;1452868962;assbot;Who Sucks More, Circle or TwoBitIdiot? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2PktT ) 1371126;1452868975;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski eh, teh usg herps will try and as per usual fail to enact their mattering in the history of the world as recorded by its current sovereign, bitcoin. 1371127;1452869022;pete_dushenski;quite so. 1371128;1452869048;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, 5 trb v99999 nodez !, https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 1371129;1452869050;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j ) 1371130;1452869089;pete_dushenski;^includes, yes, tevye 1371131;1452869117;pete_dushenski;cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches ! 1371132;1452869211;pete_dushenski;tevye's currently cruising at 18 connex while using ~350 mb memory. this is down from 50+ connex and 2 gb memory 1371133;1452869236;shinohai;O.o 1371134;1452869359;mircea_popescu;nice. 1371135;1452869884;pete_dushenski;"Dow briefly plunges 400 points after data, oil rout" << looks like it's 'sell the farm' day. wti under $30 too. 1371136;1452869921;mircea_popescu;sell the farm to buy what ? 1371137;1452869946;pete_dushenski;magic beans, just like jack. 1371138;1452869958;mircea_popescu;aok 1371139;1452870032;pete_dushenski;or mebbe pay off loans before yellen cranks the pain plan ratchet again ? 1371140;1452870115;pete_dushenski;obligatory pain plan piece : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/10/inb4-the-pain-plan/ 1371141;1452870117;assbot;Inb4 the pain plan. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Shuk ) 1371142;1452870175;pete_dushenski;"General Electric Co said it would sell its appliance business to China's Haier Group for $5.4 billion in cash, another step in its push to sell its non-core assets and project itself as a technology company." << here's where the chinese money is going. 1371143;1452870222;mircea_popescu;non core, right. 1371144;1452870228;mircea_popescu;GM Classic. 1371145;1452870250;pete_dushenski;"The deal comes weeks after GE walked away from a deal to sell the business to Sweden's Electrolux for $3.3 billion, following months of opposition from U.S. antitrust regulators." << "we chineese, we no kaya hao much amewikan beezneez cost. we want buy nao !" 1371146;1452870299;pete_dushenski;"For Haier, the deal means ownership of a century-old appliance business that makes refrigerators, freezers, clothes washers and dryers across brands such as Monogram, Café, Profile and Artistry. The business trails only Whirlpool Corp in the U.S. white goods market and reported revenue of $5.9 billion last year." << mega-non-core. 1371147;1452870486;mircea_popescu;davout http://dpaste.com/1C0H70B 1371148;1452870489;assbot;dpaste: 1C0H70B ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2TgL8 ) 1371149;1452870556;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the truth is that "butterism" or however you say in english the chinese concept equivalent to the mexican "malinchismo" ensures that a chinese corp is in the best position to make money from otherwise defunct us brands. 1371150;1452870703;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches ! << glad you got it working, Sir. =] 1371151;1452870729;mircea_popescu;ain't mod6 a total pleasure to work with ? 1371152;1452870778;mod6;awe, thx! 1371153;1452870789;mod6;PeterL: Hey, glad you got it resolved! 1371154;1452870801;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1371155;1452870858;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that he is indeed 1371156;1452870876;pete_dushenski;!s butterism 1371157;1452870877;assbot;0 results for 'butterism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butterism 1371158;1452870888;pete_dushenski;!s malinchismo 1371159;1452870888;assbot;0 results for 'malinchismo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malinchismo 1371160;1452870902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.42679334 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 8 satoshi per share 1371161;1452870918;mircea_popescu;dee 1371162;1452870923;pete_dushenski;those are new terms for me too 1371163;1452870924;mircea_popescu;hmm no deedbot ? trinque ? :) 1371164;1452870928;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371145 << Nothing Sucks Like Electrolux! (tm) (r) (actual) 1371165;1452870928;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 15:04:10; pete_dushenski: "The deal comes weeks after GE walked away from a deal to sell the business to Sweden's Electrolux for $3.3 billion, following months of opposition from U.S. antitrust regulators." << "we chineese, we no kaya hao much amewikan beezneez cost. we want buy nao !" 1371166;1452870941;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they reference the smell of butter of people who eat in the western fashion 1371167;1452870956;mircea_popescu;as milk products are virtually unknown in the mud eating empire. 1371168;1452871112;pete_dushenski;funny 1371169;1452871123;pete_dushenski;bbias 1371170;1452871204;ascii_butugychag;l0ltr0nic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10902008 (subthread) 1371171;1452871205;assbot;theo must be mad.Shaming people for leaving useless non essential feature in t... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Vg6f ) 1371172;1452871250;mircea_popescu;anyway. every slut eventually reaches that sad zenith point so aptly described by the celebrated Elvira Bulumac : http://trilema.com/2012/literatura-la-prima-ora-sau-capitolul-i/#selection-59.1-59.20 1371173;1452871251;assbot;Literatura la prima ora, sau Capitolul I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2Vom7 ) 1371174;1452871355;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag why am i reading "sfjulie" ? 1371175;1452871380;thestringpuller;!up pete_dushenski 1371176;1452871385;trinque;mircea_popescu: thanks! 1371177;1452871385;thestringpuller;!up PeterL 1371178;1452871389;mircea_popescu;the woman has no idea what she's talking about nor any appreciation of what having an idea even is or why'd it be desirable. 1371179;1452871389;ascii_butugychag;linked for entomological reasons 1371180;1452871405;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/07ZM70V 1371181;1452871406;assbot;dpaste: 07ZM70V ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2VPwS ) 1371182;1452871406;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage. 1371183;1452871406;ascii_butugychag;something like mircea_popescu's specimens from okc 1371184;1452871412;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/07ZM70V.txt 1371185;1452871413;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2VOc0 ) 1371186;1452871414;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1371187;1452871425;mircea_popescu;ic. 1371188;1452871533;mod6;<+mod6> PeterL: Hey, glad you got it resolved! << should have put this in a later tell, sorry. 1371189;1452871679;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1JCZHZY.txt 1371190;1452871680;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2WvCd ) 1371191;1452871681;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1371192;1452871695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 146.34965138 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 29 satoshi per share 1371193;1452871719;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref 1371194;1452871719;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:29:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370965 << and it's not a news site, it's radio erevan. 1371195;1452871724;ascii_butugychag;maybe phf too. 1371196;1452871748;ascii_butugychag;and hey what happened to the other orks ? dignork ? 1371197;1452871814;mircea_popescu;they were sold to the chinese conglomerate lusski for 5.5 bn. 1371198;1452872003;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371097 << hitler's yacht was a diesel-electric thing and was taken as a spoil; after the war, it powered a good chunk of odessa, for a while, iirc 1371199;1452872003;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:24:55; mircea_popescu: then one day power was out and suddenly... "wait, isn't that 240 HP engine backed by a full electric generator ? that could do up to 240 HP aka 180 kW ? 1371200;1452872003;mircea_popescu;can fit a lotta 20w lightbulbs in 100kw 1371201;1452872003;ascii_butugychag;aha 1371202;1452872935;mircea_popescu;neways. 1371203;1452872951;mircea_popescu;i haven't seen a new car model i liked in 20 years. 1371204;1452872964;ascii_butugychag;!s the best car 1371205;1452872965;assbot;8 results for 'the best car' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+best+car 1371206;1452872984;ascii_butugychag;(is... staying home) 1371207;1452873014;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371082 << the lulzy bit is that i have a node going on EXACTLY THAT machine 1371208;1452873014;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:17:16; shinohai: !s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/ 1371209;1452873054;ascii_butugychag;it is starvation-cheap, for a fanless pentium thing, and mostly runs 1371210;1452873079;shinohai;so it wouldn't be a waste of money to buy one for node purposes 1371211;1452873087;ascii_butugychag;i don't recommend it 1371212;1452873110;ascii_butugychag;'pcengines' makes a cheaper and physically more compact box with AMD chipset, of same horsepower 1371213;1452873125;ascii_butugychag;and you can put linuxbios on it 1371214;1452873132;ascii_butugychag;unlike the intel turd 1371215;1452873225;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371072 << this is probably not surprising to anyone who's been paying attention, but a trb node that isn't up to current height won't relay any tx that involves blocks not yet seen 1371216;1452873225;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425 1371217;1452873242;ascii_butugychag;this is not a bug. 1371218;1452873278;ascii_butugychag;but it does mean that a trb node is largely useless until fully synced. 1371219;1452873335;thestringpuller;LOL. Coinbase exhcange pulls a Gox due to volatility! 1371220;1452873353;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1371221;1452873358;mircea_popescu;ie "we were trading while insolvent, which is a crime, except for usg agencies" 1371222;1452873386;thestringpuller;"oinbase Exchange is currently experiencing an outage, we are investigating and hope to have it back online soon." << They say it's "technical diffculties" either way, the exchange went down due to high volume trading. 1371223;1452873392;thestringpuller;straight up Gox. 1371224;1452873410;ascii_butugychag;;;goxlag 1371225;1452873410;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command. 1371226;1452873424;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1371227;1452873458;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371044 << reminds me, more than anything, of... urbit 1371228;1452873458;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 11:40:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370800 << this is actually not a bad application of the dicelist. course the rent seeking behaviour entwined in it all is as disgusting as it gets. 1371229;1452873603;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371052 << largely yes. though i can thing of, e.g., astronomers naming comets, etc 1371230;1452873603;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 11:51:17; mircea_popescu: strictly the only reason you might try to name things you don't own is your hope to steal a little. 1371231;1452873668;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. to quote : "E, se Vostra Magnificenzia dallo apice della sua altezza qualche volta volger li occhi in questi luoghi bassi, conoscer quanto io indegnamente sopporti una grande e continua malignit di fortuna." 1371232;1452873680;mircea_popescu;from http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/#selection-59.0-59.197 which did you ever read btw ? 1371233;1452873681;assbot;Cartile au murit, on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n0JBL8 ) 1371234;1452873714;ascii_butugychag;lulzily, unrelatedly, i warmed up engine at the crack of dawn, to head to the trains, and turned on radio, '...france demands regulation of terrorist finances, such as the use of virtual currencies, such as bitcoins...' 1371235;1452873753;mircea_popescu;herp derp. 1371236;1452873784;mircea_popescu;fat child rapist put his hand in an old pillow and is now talking to himself ? fu bahamas. 1371237;1452873944;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370988 << congrats jurov ! 1371238;1452873944;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 08:10:56; jurov: with great sadness i have to announce that now it does not even mutilate filenames 1371239;1452874098;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370878 << from the total and utter lack of anything like a wot marketplace for any thing i use whatsoever, i am stuck in heathendom (e.g., 'ebay') entirely 1371240;1452874098;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:32:19; ben_vulpes: although asciilifeform probably does the sme thing with esoteric computer hardware. how would i know... 1371241;1452874103;ascii_butugychag;this was discussed on multiple occasions. 1371242;1452874150;ascii_butugychag;many times i tried to buy something via otc, it was a sad joke every time 1371243;1452874242;mircea_popescu;sadly. 1371244;1452874303;ascii_butugychag;which is interesting, because - before there even was 'ebay' - as a kid, i would buy/sell exotic hardware via usenet 1371245;1452874308;ascii_butugychag;and there were takers 1371246;1452874326;ascii_butugychag;whereas today, what little remains is corralled 1371247;1452874327;thestringpuller;OTC devolved into madness pretty quickly. Paranoid everyone is a scammer. 1371248;1452874349;thestringpuller;albeit the birthplace of the WoT 1371249;1452874371;mircea_popescu;heh. to quote, "This is stupid way to adjust SNR for a few reasons not least that it is already solved in the IRC protocol. Chanops are a group of people the founder trusts sufficiently to regulate the conversation, deal with bad actors and operate the channel in the manner he intends. Kind of like a web of trust without the numerous failures this bullshit introduces. Default deny will prevent the channel from growing, 1371250;1452874374;mircea_popescu; will not deflect a motivated attack, while adding a handful of SPOFs, risks and annoyance." 1371251;1452874376;mircea_popescu;clearly the stupid model worked. 1371252;1452874404;ascii_butugychag;where was this 1371253;1452874419;mircea_popescu;not only it created powerful with a view to almighty enemies for the "well intentioned" idiots engaging in that nonsense, but also it... fell over, burned and then sunk into the swamp. 1371254;1452874426;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html 1371255;1452874427;assbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh ) 1371256;1452874459;ascii_butugychag;wtf is a 'SPOF' 1371257;1452874467;mircea_popescu;single point of failure. 1371258;1452874468;mircea_popescu;as if. 1371259;1452874481;pete_dushenski;huh. logs are missing everything from "re: other nazi yachts, lulzy oldie" to "while supplies last - with identical crud; etc" 1371260;1452874496;ascii_butugychag;assbot was out 1371261;1452874508;pete_dushenski;so he was 1371262;1452874603;ascii_butugychag;who was dub anyway 1371263;1452874608;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you can't really put a real engine in the composite shits. << what "composite shits" are these ? most high-end cars have carbon-fibre tubs and 600hp+ turbocharged engines with 500lb ft+ of torque 1371264;1452874631;pete_dushenski;seem to hold us quite nicely in fact 1371265;1452874656;pete_dushenski;pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty. 1371266;1452874702;mircea_popescu;how much does a 600hp turbocharged engine wiht 500lb ft of torque cost ? 1371267;1452874729;pete_dushenski;probably 50-70k 1371268;1452874740;pete_dushenski;as part of a 300k car 1371269;1452874757;ascii_butugychag;why not also include the cost of the law school tuition and the whores 1371270;1452874757;pete_dushenski;you can buy such power from "domestics" for 20-30k 1371271;1452874766;ascii_butugychag;engine per se is prolly south of 10k 1371272;1452874767;mircea_popescu;so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ? 1371273;1452874811;pete_dushenski;probably wheel spin 1371274;1452874855;mircea_popescu;right. so the idea was that you could market a 100k real suv/pick up with 4k lbft torque, which if so attached would pull the light out and drag it with two yards' worth of sidewalk and the parked cars. 1371275;1452874867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3888 @ 0.00050189 = 1.9513 BTC [-] 1371276;1452874873;mircea_popescu;and in spite of being able to pull train cars / tanks / your house, iut would still do ok on the freeway. 1371277;1452874883;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: these exist, are called bulldozer ? 1371278;1452874898;mircea_popescu;bulldozer is straight. this would be electric. 1371279;1452874914;ascii_butugychag;large mining trucks and bulldozers are presently diesel-electric 1371280;1452874916;ascii_butugychag;we even had'em in su 1371281;1452874922;mircea_popescu;exacflty my fucking point omfg! 1371282;1452874927;ascii_butugychag;aha, ancient tech 1371283;1452875064;ascii_butugychag;but the CORRECT way to do these is to throw out the transmission box and have 1 electric motor per wheel. 1371284;1452875104;ascii_butugychag;(you win on efficiency, cost, and also get the regenerative brake thing) 1371285;1452875125;ascii_butugychag;but, to borrow an uncleal-ism, 'But It Would Be Wrong' 1371286;1452875191;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370918 << ever since dc metro put in human drivers again into most of the trains, the thing brakes 10 times, lurches, nauseating 1371287;1452875191;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:43:30; pete_dushenski: trains also don't accelerate and decelerate as quickly or as frequently 1371288;1452875301;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what the correct way would be, but i envisaged an auto-transfer arrangement, where the engine powers the drive train except if torque pull gets too strong in which case it kicks off and electric engine takes over 1371289;1452875308;mircea_popescu;they'd have to basically be pooled and work together 1371290;1452875320;ascii_butugychag;nah that's what they do ~now~ 1371291;1452875321;ascii_butugychag;and it sucks 1371292;1452875332;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: ford and vw (with usg/'protean') are working on just that : in-wheel electric motors 1371293;1452875333;ascii_butugychag;because you're paying for that transmission being there at all 1371294;1452875361;mircea_popescu;you want exactly what the market wants : a truck with good highway behaviour. 1371295;1452875366;mircea_popescu;so yes, you'e paying. what of it. 1371296;1452875376;pete_dushenski;http://www.proteanelectric.com/ 1371297;1452875378;assbot;Protean Electric | Protean Electric ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKUa2u ) 1371298;1452875401;mircea_popescu;meh it looks like a pos. 1371299;1452875414;pete_dushenski;!up peterl 1371300;1452875427;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: usg. waddyawant. 1371301;1452875427;mircea_popescu;http://www.paxtonauto.com/images/CCTP-070500-NOLIMIT-1.jpg < this is closer to what you want. 1371302;1452875429;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKUnCN ) 1371303;1452875436;pete_dushenski;ha!! 1371304;1452875442;PeterL;hi, trying to build trb, anybody want to help me figure out what is wrong? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d0592532-07b7-468e-a913-988919c58f5b/ 1371305;1452875443;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKUoXr ) 1371306;1452875474;mircea_popescu;See `config.log' for more details. << what's that say PeterL ? 1371307;1452875496;ascii_butugychag;fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory 1371308;1452875503;ascii_butugychag;whatcha building on? nintendo ? 1371309;1452875515;mircea_popescu;so far it looks like you don't have a working compiler basically 1371310;1452875525;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag xubuntu iirc. 1371311;1452875527;pete_dushenski;bbl 1371312;1452875535;ascii_butugychag;checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no 1371313;1452875540;ascii_butugychag;xubuntu went clang ?!! 1371314;1452875543;mircea_popescu;yes. 1371315;1452875553;PeterL;aha, do I need to switch to a different compiler? 1371316;1452875572;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1371317;1452875573;ascii_butugychag;gcc. 1371318;1452875619;ascii_butugychag;(has anybody built the thing with clang? i wouldn't use such a trb in the field, but it would be handy for scientific - code coverage, flow graph, etc. purposes) 1371319;1452875660;ascii_butugychag;clang/llvm is well-suited for vivisection, and gcc is, unfortunately (see old threads re: why) is not 1371320;1452875693;mircea_popescu;i recall maybe ben_vulpes toying with this at some point ? 1371321;1452875698;ascii_butugychag;possibly 1371322;1452875712;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/15_defend-the-world-trashers-at-the-expense-of-those-doing-their-tiny-damndest-and-lets-see-where-that-gets-you.html << i think deedbot- mised this one 1371323;1452875713;assbot;Defend the world-trashers at the expense of those doing their tiny damndest, and lets see where that gets you ... ( http://bit.ly/1n0N6kX ) 1371324;1452875717;ascii_butugychag;!s from:ben_vulpes clang 1371325;1452875718;assbot;4 results for 'from:ben_vulpes clang' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+clang 1371326;1452875782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3985 @ 0.00050183 = 1.9998 BTC [-] 1371327;1452875830;ben_vulpes;oh i'm sure i did at some point, i have a bad windmill mabit 1371328;1452875852;ben_vulpes;*habit 1371329;1452875991;mircea_popescu;so basically to go through portland in relative safety one needs a half dozen fascia bearers to bullwhip a whole horde of plebs away enough to form a path. 1371330;1452876026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00050183 = 1.1542 BTC [-] 1371331;1452876049;ascii_butugychag;l0l ben_vulpes with lictors 1371332;1452876062;ascii_butugychag;then what do i need, tank column ?? 1371333;1452876092;mircea_popescu;why do you think it's by the you ? it's by the them. 1371334;1452876095;mircea_popescu;you need the same. 1371335;1452876151;ascii_butugychag;http://bikeportland.org/2014/02/21/parks-works-to-clear-large-encampment-on-springwater-corridor-101898 << we don't have this here 1371336;1452876152;assbot;Parks bureau works to clear large encampment on Springwater Corridor - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKWZAz ) 1371337;1452876158;ascii_butugychag;(did, for a while. it was called 'occupy') 1371338;1452876249;ben_vulpes;related lolz that didn't make it in 1371339;1452876279;ben_vulpes;there are twenty feet of tarpaulined hoarder-pile stacked along 20th avenue, just outside the aforementioned col. summers park 1371340;1452876300;ben_vulpes;the parks department won't touch it because it's not in the park proper 1371341;1452876310;ben_vulpes;and the cops won't touch it because "be nice to the homeless!" 1371342;1452876319;ascii_butugychag;'These two groups will always be at odds: the former striving endlessly to turn shitholes into nice little houses, and shabby ghettos into marginally liveable neighborhoods; and the latter preying upon the former's parks for places to sleep, their churches for free meals, and generally attempting to take the nice things for which they did no work and kick the others out.' << that last sent 1371343;1452876325;ascii_butugychag;ence describes rent-seekers as well as hobos 1371344;1452876347;mircea_popescu;how are hobos not rent seekers ? 1371345;1452876355;mircea_popescu;they're the paradigmatic rent seeker. 1371346;1452876363;ascii_butugychag;hobo is small change 1371347;1452876368;ag3nt_zer0;good morning b-a 1371348;1452876369;mircea_popescu;what exactly is the difference between "politician"? and hobo ? student ? etc. 1371349;1452876372;mircea_popescu;ello 1371350;1452876374;ascii_butugychag;scale. 1371351;1452876385;mircea_popescu;scale is not a difference. 1371352;1452876399;thestringpuller;there is no difference? 1371353;1452876456;ben_vulpes;small pineapple, large pineapple, should not matter when sitting. idem broomsticks prolly. 1371354;1452876496;mircea_popescu;cunt fits all sizes. 1371355;1452876497;ascii_butugychag;idk, even tepes was said to have used multiple calibers of stake, on a case by case basis 1371356;1452876518;mircea_popescu;but i look forward to you learned men and your treatises of medicine discussing tuberculosis remedies by scale. 1371357;1452876530;mircea_popescu;"if it's a big tuberculosis, drink coffee. if it is still small, drink tea!" 1371358;1452876555;ben_vulpes;cancer has scalar treatments, non? 1371359;1452876574;mircea_popescu;nope. 1371360;1452876574;ben_vulpes;"maybe this" and "nop" 1371361;1452876585;ascii_butugychag;scale exists for all. small boil? knife. gangrenous leg? saw. 1371362;1452876590;mircea_popescu;that incidentally is a very informative field of study for he who aims to be a better systems expert : cancer cures. 1371363;1452876629;mircea_popescu;the criteria for operability are very strictly given. for instance pancreatic cancer : has it touched the fat planes protecting the mesenteric vessels ? 1371364;1452876654;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of scale except to the layman. it is a matter of very alphabetical lists of things, for the professional. 1371365;1452876672;*;ben_vulpes nods 1371366;1452876681;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, i got an entire night of sleep last night 1371367;1452876687;mircea_popescu;heretic. 1371368;1452876695;mircea_popescu;!excomunicate ben_vulpes 1371369;1452876696;ascii_butugychag;mega-respekt 1371370;1452876709;ben_vulpes;*and* the girl is sick. 1371371;1452876717;ben_vulpes;*and* the child may be getting it as well. 1371372;1452876727;ben_vulpes;ifni rolled me a good one. 1371373;1452876763;mircea_popescu;;;ud ifni 1371374;1452876763;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Ifni | Despite the urgency of escalating health care costs, there seems to be a slackidemic among those in power preventing any meaningful action from being taken. 1371375;1452876775;mircea_popescu;what ?! 1371376;1452876831;ben_vulpes;hipster goddes of luck, aka lady infity, lady limit 1371377;1452876859;ben_vulpes;has domain over chance, mean reversion 1371378;1452876867;thestringpuller;;;nethash 1371379;1452876867;gribble;768156022.097 1371380;1452876883;ben_vulpes;statistically unlikely events and i guess vanity addresses 1371381;1452876889;thestringpuller;;;calc 768156022.097 * 0.005 1371382;1452876889;gribble;3840780.11049 1371383;1452876991;mircea_popescu;!s nethash 1371384;1452876992;assbot;519 results for 'nethash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nethash 1371385;1452877055;mircea_popescu;27/12 : gribble: 837554982.002 ; 13/1 gribble: 886485320.427 ; 15/1 : 12:30:43 gribble: 765883451.143 1371386;1452877224;thestringpuller;i think gribble is miscalculating 1371387;1452877231;thestringpuller;;;gentime 768156022.097 1371388;1452877233;gribble;The average time to generate a block at 768156022.097 Mhps, given difficulty of 1.13354299801e+11, is 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 24 seconds 1371389;1452877266;mircea_popescu;uh 1371390;1452877278;mircea_popescu;you missed a 0 1371391;1452877328;thestringpuller;aha! 1371392;1452877345;thestringpuller;;;nethash help 1371393;1452877345;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so what's the rest of that shaking ny black dude hands story ? 1371394;1452877345;gribble;(nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps. 1371395;1452877351;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371131 << what was so hard about these 1371396;1452877351;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 14:45:17; pete_dushenski: cheers to mod6 for his assistance in applying stan's last two patches ! 1371397;1452877382;mircea_popescu;not all intercourse is fucking to require something hard to get it started, alfie! 1371398;1452877387;mircea_popescu;sometimes people just like to cuddle. 1371399;1452877417;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1371400;1452877492;ascii_butugychag;lulzily i am using a keyboard at this minute that is only slightly bigger than a vhs tape 1371401;1452877495;ascii_butugychag;but has full-sized keys 1371402;1452877508;trinque;"happy hacker" ? 1371403;1452877520;ascii_butugychag;trinque: variant thereof, but with arrows 1371404;1452877545;ascii_butugychag;'not from a good life' 1371405;1452877555;ascii_butugychag;a proper thing simply does not fit on this here desk. 1371406;1452877761;ascii_butugychag;trinque: 'fc660c' 1371407;1452877868;trinque; not a bad looking clacky 1371408;1452877896;ascii_butugychag;actually it is extremely painful on account of missing f keys and home/end/pgup/pgdown 1371409;1452877904;ascii_butugychag;but not as painful as the idiot crapple kbd 1371410;1452877916;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> a proper thing simply does not fit on this here desk. <> https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/an-open-letter-from-sam-cole-ceo-of-knc-miner-t4868.html 1371440;1452879176;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: No, just next iteration 1371441;1452879186;ascii_butugychag;ah 1371442;1452879248;ascii_butugychag;the pce apu is actually my favourite amd64 box of all time 1371443;1452879258;ascii_butugychag;only marred by the soldered-down non-ecc ram 1371444;1452879277;ascii_butugychag;but they actually publish schematics. you could even have your own made, somewhere. 1371445;1452879295;ascii_butugychag;i don't know of any other mobo vendor which does this. 1371446;1452880264;ascii_butugychag;!s http://sphincs.cr.yp.to 1371447;1452880264;assbot;SPHINCS:Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTG9wS ) 1371448;1452880265;assbot;1 results for 'http://sphincs.cr.yp.to' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsphincs.cr.yp.to 1371449;1452881148;trinque;"By saying "eliminate the state" we are advocating a security improvement, namely adopting signature schemes that do not need to record information after every signature. We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours!" << oh god 1371450;1452881347;*;trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't 1371451;1452881394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050198 = 1.5059 BTC [-] {4} 1371452;1452881712;BingoBoingo;How the social engineering sausage is made 1371453;1452881746;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/tSzC0 1371454;1452881750;assbot;The ugly truth: Bitcoin is doomed and needs to be replaced : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTISGB ) 1371455;1452881781;jurov;https://goldstockbull.com/articles/gold-price-discovery-moving-to-china-in-april/ let's replace it by g0ld 1371456;1452881783;assbot;China to Start Yuan-Based Gold Price Fix in April: Game Changer? - Gold Stock Bull ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTIVCf ) 1371457;1452881788;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: I only found out about the APU2 because openbsd-misc has people occasionally derping about the unfinished firmware on the new one 1371458;1452881809;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: amd publishes the chip docs, you're welcome to finish it personally... 1371459;1452881863;BingoBoingo;Seems the finishing is largegly being 'crowdsourced' but moves to quad core AMD kaveri chip if I recal correctly 1371460;1452881909;mircea_popescu;trinque eliminating the wrong kind of state. 1371461;1452881918;BingoBoingo;;;google apu2 beta 1371462;1452881919;gribble;PC-Engines APU2 | ServeTheHome and ServeThe.Biz Forums: ; APU2 LED1-3 & Button Switch: Does anyone success on this?? - PC ...: ; PC Engines support forum Home Page: (1 more message) 1371463;1452882111;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Have you considered working on your crazy eyes and walking with a hand in your pocket? 1371464;1452882166;mircea_popescu;jurov i have nfi why they imagine this is "discovery" 1371465;1452882169;*;BingoBoingo amazed even the saner people from Portland seem have shortcomings in their orccraft 1371466;1452882176;mircea_popescu;gold is afaik still illegal to hold for chinese private parties. 1371467;1452882674;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1371468;1452882681;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 389.8, vol: 29585.42972196 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 391.891, vol: 16993.74283 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.67, vol: 85603.52985172 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 15.49699301 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 401.85145, vol: 66234.54240000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.6899, vol: 389.28134557 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.2606, vol: 298.59608725 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1371469;1452882689;BingoBoingo;;;more 1371470;1452882690;gribble;395.66497872 1371471;1452882719;mircea_popescu;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15854930/how-do-you-use-stdsystem-error-with-getlasterror#comment49111206_15855015 << speaking of weirdo spam, check out this stuff lol. 1371472;1452882720;assbot;c++ - How do you use std::system_error with GetLastError? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgiUcd ) 1371473;1452882732;BingoBoingo;Ah, this looks like great January correction. Fucking bizzaro history continues. 1371474;1452882807;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what spam 1371475;1452882817;mircea_popescu;that exsees link 1371476;1452882834;ascii_butugychag;l0l! 1371477;1452882843;mircea_popescu;!up bjezuz 1371478;1452882901;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag then i read it carefully. notice how the whole thing makes no sense and there's actually visible lines where syntactic units were thrown together ? 1371479;1452882917;ascii_butugychag;aha shannonizer 1371480;1452882921;mircea_popescu;"ai", in the sense not of intelligence, but in the sense of "not distinguishable from average human". 1371481;1452882933;ascii_butugychag;ancient tech, at this point 1371482;1452882939;ascii_butugychag;even in spamland 1371483;1452882946;mircea_popescu;this is better than most. 1371484;1452882952;ascii_butugychag;how so ? 1371485;1452882962;mircea_popescu;notice how high ranked the acct is in the site's own terms. 1371486;1452882971;mircea_popescu;http://stackoverflow.com/users/845092/mooing-duck 1371487;1452882971;assbot;User Mooing Duck - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgjsPj ) 1371488;1452882989;mircea_popescu;that's more than wikipedia spammers such as yourself accomplish! 1371489;1452883004;ascii_butugychag;quite likely it is an 'imperium in imperio' upvote clique, elementarily 1371490;1452883020;mircea_popescu;Compliments: 1371491;1452883020;mircea_popescu;ThePhD: "To this day, MooingDuck has probably been the most helpful lounge person I've come across." 1371492;1452883020;mircea_popescu;Dzek Trek: "@MooingDuck is the best teacher here. He explains everything in the way that just listeners want to hear." 1371493;1452883020;mircea_popescu;Dan: You explain things fully and in a way that just makes sense to me. 1371494;1452883049;mircea_popescu;notice that the [no doubt actual] google software engineer behind the crapolade is deeply aware of what the holes in the levies are. 1371495;1452883087;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: how would i know, i'm just a human compiler 1371496;1452883102;ascii_butugychag;and i'm not seeing any obvious spamola in duck's other posts 1371497;1452883112;ascii_butugychag;possibly 'paste fail' ? 1371498;1452883122;mircea_popescu;because people go around with links to that in their pastes ? 1371499;1452883156;ascii_butugychag;e.g., http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15235526/the-static-keyword-and-its-various-uses-in-c/15235626#15235626 1371500;1452883157;assbot;The static keyword and its various uses in C++ - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTLAMi ) 1371501;1452883175;ascii_butugychag;looks like a perfectly legit summary 1371502;1452883203;ascii_butugychag;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8054273/how-to-implement-an-stl-style-iterator-and-avoid-common-pitfalls/8054856#8054856 << ditto 1371503;1452883204;assbot;c++ - How to implement an STL-style iterator and avoid common pitfalls? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTLHY5 ) 1371504;1452883207;mircea_popescu;http://www.virtualians.net/group/cs201-introduction-to-programming-lecture-wise-dis/forum/topics/cs201-introduction-to-programming-lecture-no-38-problems 1371505;1452883215;mircea_popescu;http://html5.press/can+class+members+defined+outside+namespace+they+are+declared/ 1371506;1452883217;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OTLKDq ) 1371507;1452883221;mircea_popescu;http://www.scriptscoop.net/t/7fdf7581e8e8/the-static-keyword-and-its-various-uses-in-c.html 1371508;1452883231;mircea_popescu;all come up for a strict search for "static variables exist for the "lifetime" of the translation unit that it's defined in, and:" 1371509;1452883239;ascii_butugychag;l0l! 1371510;1452883243;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1371511;1452883252;ascii_butugychag;if thing is a bot which cribs from www, it is a pretty good one 1371512;1452883303;mircea_popescu;kinda what the original point was yes, 1371513;1452883306;mircea_popescu;rather good "ai" 1371514;1452883396;*;mircea_popescu enjoys an immense inflow of pesos now that btc has dropped a little, because hey, local idjits price by medieval methods. 1371515;1452883418;ascii_butugychag;still seems like it could easily be a prolific and plagiaristic (e.g., east asian) human 1371516;1452883423;mircea_popescu;ie, spread = volatility *2 + 15% or some shit. 1371517;1452883428;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag kinda the point innit. 1371518;1452883437;ascii_butugychag;mechanized coolie aha. 1371519;1452883459;mircea_popescu;the "reddit experiment" is in full swing, even WE can't distinguish anymore. 1371520;1452883473;ascii_butugychag;!s dead souls 1371521;1452883474;assbot;19 results for 'dead souls' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dead+souls 1371522;1452883477;mircea_popescu;what change's a webified ustardian "computer science major" got. 1371523;1452883490;ascii_butugychag;orlov may not even have understood the full implications of his lulzpiece 1371524;1452883505;ascii_butugychag;but the tardatron is genuinely obsessed with making convincing faux ~lusers~ 1371525;1452883527;ascii_butugychag;because the real thing has various undesirable properties 1371526;1452883554;ascii_butugychag;(fickleness, occupying physical space, needing food, etc) 1371527;1452883583;ascii_butugychag;and for a great many purposes, spambots are at least as good as 'people' 1371528;1452883651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2284 @ 0.00050524 = 1.154 BTC [+] 1371529;1452883711;mircea_popescu;actually, for all purposes. there is no sense in which a spambot is not a better "people" than a us citizen today. 1371530;1452883746;ascii_butugychag;well, certain ceremonies still require warm bodies, but this is being worked on 1371531;1452883752;*;mircea_popescu does not honestly believe items not in the republic are in any sense human. 1371532;1452883755;ascii_butugychag;and they are largely anachronisms anyway (e.g., vote) 1371533;1452883772;mircea_popescu;vote is electronic now neh ? 1371534;1452883781;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: semi-electronic 1371535;1452883793;mircea_popescu;* mircea_popescu does not honestly believe items not in the republic are in any sense human. << this, incidentally, why the write on tits is so important. 1371536;1452883804;ascii_butugychag;but as of the 2004 election, there is NOT A PERMA-RECORD of particular votes 1371537;1452883812;ascii_butugychag;that was more or less the end of the pretense 1371538;1452883869;mircea_popescu;well, the pretense nigh on embarassed teh bushdom. 1371539;1452883870;ascii_butugychag;i was, in those days, a foolish student, and actually went and picketed 'your vote doesn't count! literally!' 1371540;1452883900;ascii_butugychag;'diebold voted' 1371541;1452883901;mircea_popescu;but you forget, ustardian doesn't want his "vote to count". he wants the ebt to keep showing up. 1371542;1452883901;ascii_butugychag;etc 1371543;1452883945;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: or his lockheed salary, aha 1371544;1452883957;mircea_popescu;also ebt. 1371545;1452883970;ascii_butugychag;but in point of fact there is no 'honest work' going on anywhere in usa, with possible exception of mafia hits etc 1371546;1452883982;ascii_butugychag;~everybody~ is in some way plugged in. 1371547;1452883988;mircea_popescu;from what i hear mafia's pretty much a joke for years now 1371548;1452883997;ascii_butugychag;well mexican narco or whatever is current 1371549;1452884032;mircea_popescu;those, yes. 1371550;1452884044;ascii_butugychag;i've never even personally sat more than 2 or so hops away from usg, payola-wise 1371551;1452884122;ascii_butugychag;usa had 'palace economy' for my entire adult life 1371552;1452884143;ascii_butugychag;like the inca empire. 1371553;1452884188;mircea_popescu;and to think your parents moved specifically to avoid this fate for you. 1371554;1452884207;ascii_butugychag;not precisely 1371555;1452884211;mircea_popescu;ah 1371556;1452884217;ascii_butugychag;moved because richer inca here than there 1371557;1452884235;mircea_popescu;ah i see. with romanians it was a big deal "i want my kids to grow up free" 1371558;1452884259;ascii_butugychag;by '92 it was pretty clear what 'phreeee' meant for most folks 1371559;1452884275;mircea_popescu;lord almighty, is there no end of waitresses whose real passion is photography/music/blabla ?! 1371560;1452884316;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what kind of answer do you expect them to give ? 'my real passion is mixing cement' 1371561;1452884340;mircea_popescu;sometimes the only winning move is not to play. 1371562;1452884354;ascii_butugychag;then why did mircea_popescu go to the playing room 1371563;1452884359;ascii_butugychag;of course it is full of folks playing. 1371564;1452884376;mircea_popescu;lol. i prolly should share this one, a sec. 1371565;1452884383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00050664 = 2.0772 BTC [+] {2} 1371566;1452884502;mircea_popescu;incidentally : it seems my account on okcupid was briefly banned this monring, judging by how the script croaked 1371567;1452884508;mircea_popescu;and by the apology letter in my inbox. 1371568;1452884523;mircea_popescu;anyone ever heard of something like this befoar ?! 1371569;1452884547;*;ascii_butugychag last saw okc more than a decade ago 1371570;1452884556;mircea_popescu;also student ? 1371571;1452884562;ascii_butugychag;aha 1371572;1452884566;ascii_butugychag;it was a lulzy timewaster 1371573;1452884575;ascii_butugychag;the character quiz thing, etc 1371574;1452884578;mircea_popescu;quite. mechanized lulzextraction. 1371575;1452884593;ascii_butugychag;(does it still have the 'what type of creature are you' thing?) 1371576;1452884604;mircea_popescu;i dunno 1371577;1452884610;mircea_popescu;i see it through lynx eyes 1371578;1452884612;mircea_popescu;and some cat. 1371579;1452884627;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/shorty-thinks-herself-cool.png << speaking of folks playing. 1371580;1452884628;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pgnszc ) 1371581;1452884676;ascii_butugychag;lynx happens to be my favourite felid 1371582;1452884696;mircea_popescu;not moiety whatever that was ? 1371583;1452884753;ascii_butugychag;manul is pretty but not man-eating 1371584;1452884769;BingoBoingo; manul is pretty but not man-eating << yet 1371585;1452884769;ascii_butugychag;and 168 of what? 1371586;1452884782;mircea_popescu;of heights. 1371587;1452884786;ascii_butugychag;ah cm 1371588;1452884791;BingoBoingo; anyone ever heard of something like this befoar ?! << Not unheard of 1371589;1452884801;mircea_popescu;ah ok then. 1371590;1452884882;mircea_popescu;anyway, ascii_butugychag point being : mechanized sorting of the playing innocents is, after all, an economic activity. 1371591;1452884888;BingoBoingo;Prolly pissed some users off and they flagged you and got autobanned with a manual overturn of ban 1371592;1452884918;mircea_popescu;i guess ima pay em a few dollah then. 1371593;1452884929;mircea_popescu;pour encourager les autres. 1371594;1452885348;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: i got an entire night of sleep last night << as chetty told me: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=401 1371595;1452885369;mircea_popescu;o.O 1371596;1452885500;deedbot-;[Qntra] First Mass Walmart Closure - http://qntra.net/2016/01/first-mass-walmart-closure/ 1371597;1452885560;BingoBoingo;^ Bigger news than the Dow sucking ass today 1371598;1452885593;mircea_popescu;this makes so little sense... what'll distribute the iron rats to the trashy plebs ?! 1371599;1452885606;ascii_butugychag;i often wonder, how long would it take me to notice if every single wallmart vanished overnight 1371600;1452885615;mircea_popescu;amazon ? 1371601;1452885619;ascii_butugychag;amazon, sure 1371602;1452885621;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag less than an hour. 1371603;1452885623;thestringpuller;I was literally just told "Buy Wal-Mart stock. Always holds against a recession" 1371604;1452885626;BingoBoingo;Surviving walmart will mircea_popescu just gotta take more bus nao to get to walmart 1371605;1452885633;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: how's that 1371606;1452885644;mircea_popescu;because of the absence of drones everywhere and some smoke in the air. 1371607;1452885660;mircea_popescu;what exactly did you imagine keeps the semblance of a "palace" standing up ? 1371608;1452885696;mircea_popescu;they stress-tested this once, delayed ebt almost a whole weekend. 1371609;1452885701;mircea_popescu;thing nearly fell apart. 1371610;1452885785;ascii_butugychag;mega-s33kr1t for mircea_popescu: ebt etc. work at places other than l0lmart 1371611;1452885802;mircea_popescu;you understand how stress propagates right ? 1371612;1452885816;ascii_butugychag;aha 1371613;1452885817;ascii_butugychag;this, yes 1371614;1452885836;mircea_popescu;if this didn't exist, the whole "i didn't spend 50 bux to fix my car two weeks ago so i gotta pay 1100 today" thing wouldn't exist. 1371615;1452885861;ascii_butugychag;cascaded failure is the rule, rather than exception 1371616;1452885875;ascii_butugychag;if this were not so, it would be quite difficult to die 1371617;1452885882;mircea_popescu;so without free shelf-stable cheese dispensaries... someone's gonna have problems. 1371618;1452885887;ascii_butugychag;could fight on like the knight in monty python 1371619;1452885934;*;ascii_butugychag feels physically ill recalling the mere existence of the 'shelf-stable cheese' thing 1371620;1452885943;mircea_popescu;ok, another riddle for the ages: wtf is with all the chicks having much better looking chicks in their profile pics ? 1371621;1452885961;mircea_popescu;they ever-so-carefully avoid showing how fat they are. on one hand. and on the other... 1371622;1452885963;ascii_butugychag;same thing as with job candidates having much better looking biographies in their cv ? 1371623;1452885970;BingoBoingo; ok, another riddle for the ages: wtf is with all the chicks having much better looking chicks in their profile pics ? << 'Catfishing" or more accurately 'fatfishing' 1371624;1452885978;mircea_popescu;nono, i mean with them. 1371625;1452885990;ascii_butugychag;ah! 1371626;1452885999;mircea_popescu;and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right 1371627;1452886020;mircea_popescu;i mean, taking pic with mom i can see, serious psychological disturbances. 1371628;1452886035;mircea_popescu;but... what fucking female doesn't understand you find some UGLIER friends to wing for you ?! 1371629;1452886041;ascii_butugychag;possibly they actually think 'the light of the beauty' illuminates them ? 1371630;1452886044;ascii_butugychag;when standing next to 1371631;1452886062;mircea_popescu;this is on par with imagining periods will make them feel good. 1371632;1452886075;ascii_butugychag;wai wut?! 1371633;1452886098;mircea_popescu;"i feel like my ovaries are floating in rainbow" 1371634;1452886106;ascii_butugychag;who imagines this 1371635;1452886126;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1371636;1452886335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3509 @ 0.00050156 = 1.76 BTC [-] {2} 1371637;1452886699;mircea_popescu;ahahaah there;'s such a thinkg as hicksville, ny. 1371638;1452886982;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1371639;1452887008;PeterL;maybe somebody could help, I'm trying to build trb, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6d055000-a895-4b6a-b4bf-af7f360db3b7/?raw=true 1371640;1452887010;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvKS4h ) 1371641;1452887046;mircea_popescu;holy shit the stuff poor PeterL is running into 1371642;1452887057;mircea_popescu;PeterL looks like you don't have openssh ? 1371643;1452887070;mircea_popescu;openssl* 1371644;1452887071;PeterL;I thought it built that earlier in the script? 1371645;1452887112;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: have you considered something like a human os ? 1371646;1452887119;PeterL;in my folder i am building in there is a directory "openssl-1.0.1g" 1371647;1452887129;PeterL;human os? 1371648;1452887148;ascii_butugychag;well you are clearly on some heathen abomination 1371649;1452887172;PeterL;xubuntu 1371650;1452887211;PeterL;just trying to follow directions on trb website 1371651;1452887216;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag srsly nao. this thing is supposed to build. 1371652;1452887254;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: not for nintendo. unless and until i port it to nintendo. 1371653;1452887261;ascii_butugychag;(or mircea_popescu or somebody) 1371654;1452887283;mircea_popescu;PeterL is the openssl dir in the paths correctly ? 1371655;1452887303;PeterL;which paths? 1371656;1452887350;mircea_popescu;mmm im not too fresh on this but somewhere in the script it's told where to find the things it needs, 1371657;1452887372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2591 @ 0.00050073 = 1.2974 BTC [+] 1371658;1452887375;mircea_popescu;and since it's looking for openssl/buffer.h as opposed to openssl-1.0.1g/buffer.h i'd guess it's lost 1371659;1452887616;PeterL;I see a line "OPENSSL=openssl-1.0.1g" in the script, is that it? 1371660;1452887641;mircea_popescu;that should do it. 1371661;1452887680;mircea_popescu;ok that's not it, does the file it wants actually exist on your system ? can you find it ? 1371662;1452887713;mircea_popescu;(is it a ridiculous mishap such as results sometimes from manual archive manipulation where you have openssl-1.0.1g/openssl-1.0.1g/blabla ?) 1371663;1452887736;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1371664;1452887740;gribble;Current Blocks: 393453 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1682 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1371665;1452888183;mod6;PeterL: hi, are you using the v99997 build script? 1371666;1452888193;PeterL;yes 1371667;1452888222;PeterL;oh, wait, is that the same one linked on trb website? 1371668;1452888223;mod6;did you try to run this script more than one time? 1371669;1452888230;PeterL;umm, yes 1371670;1452888266;mod6;no, i don't think it's linked. it's not 'official' at this point -- just a thing I put together to build the full orchastra and pull & press src with V. 1371671;1452888289;mod6;ok, so trying to run that script more than once might cause some pain. 1371672;1452888306;PeterL;I am using the script from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html 1371673;1452888307;assbot;[BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV ) 1371674;1452888316;mod6;i'd try creating a new dir somewhere, putting the build script in the new dir, and then running it again. 1371675;1452888317;ascii_butugychag;aaaancient history 1371676;1452888331;ascii_butugychag;imho everybody oughta be using v build at this point 1371677;1452888340;mod6;oh yeah. that's very old. lemme dig up the latest one. 1371678;1452888353;PeterL;I guess I am just not sure how to get v to build it once I have v? 1371679;1452888462;mod6;so, V doesn't actually do any building at all. 1371680;1452888482;PeterL;ok, I used v to get the source, then what do i do with the source to build it? 1371681;1452888486;mod6;it just pulls down the vpatches, and inflates the source tree from zero. 1371682;1452888525;mod6;<+PeterL> ok, I used v to get the source, then what do i do with the source to build it? << the latest build script will do all of this for you ~except~ creating your ~/.wot directory with the appropriatly named keys placed in the directory. 1371683;1452888543;mod6;you need buildroot+everything to build the static binary. 1371684;1452888547;PeterL;which one is the latest build script? 1371685;1452888550;*;mod6 is still digging in the logs. 1371686;1452888551;mod6;one sec. 1371687;1452888634;mod6;is there a way to search the deeds in deedbot? 1371688;1452888690;PeterL;google site:deedbot.org searchstring ? 1371689;1452888781;mod6;thanks, couldn't find it on deedbot though 1371690;1452888787;mod6;but this is the one 1371691;1452888788;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt 1371692;1452888789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmteVM ) 1371693;1452888842;mod6;and... like i said, create a new dir, drop this script in there and run it -- but be aware that if left unchanged from the original, it'll not build alf's latest two patches in when pressing the source out. 1371694;1452888846;mod6;!up PeterL 1371695;1452888871;mod6;if you want it to do so, you'll need to edit this line: 1371696;1452888873;mod6;./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch 1371697;1452888876;mod6;and change it to this: 1371698;1452888899;mircea_popescu;oh he's uysing a 9month old script. doh. 1371699;1452888926;mod6;./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch 1371700;1452888972;PeterL;maybe the website could include a note to not use that script? or just take it off the front page? 1371701;1452889015;mod6;my apologies. what exists on the website is meant to help someone build v0.5.3.1 -- the rest of this stuff is basically as-of-yet-unreleased. 1371702;1452889027;mod6;trying to get there... just a zillion things to work on :( 1371703;1452889076;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 1371704;1452889079;PeterL;no problem, i understand 1371705;1452889475;BingoBoingo;Prolly ought to get out a 0.5.4 relase tagged, since... that database fix is necessary 1371706;1452889521;ascii_butugychag;yeah the old tree is close to useless 1371707;1452889524;BingoBoingo;I mean... unless we plan a future reorg back to August 2015... 1371708;1452889534;BingoBoingo;!up copumpkin 1371709;1452889601;BingoBoingo;Thanks to V there's no serious need to tag anything beyond the BDB fix in a release, but... Gotta tag something useful as the recommended 1371710;1452889652;PeterL;does v have to be in the same directory as the buildscript? 1371711;1452889862;PeterL; I tried to run the script, it just says ": invalid option" 1371712;1452890726;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1371713;1452890797;mod6;getting it resolved... he's on a i686 env. 1371714;1452891230;mod6;ben_vulpes: so yah, having the keys on blogs/homepages isn't a bad idea. 1371715;1452891265;mod6;but... maybe it'd be useful to put the links to our exported, ascii armored keys in the assets wiki? 1371716;1452891292;mod6;that way when someone wants to get going with V, they can find the keys without having to dig through 6 blogs. 1371717;1452891302;mod6;and additionally, this cuts out SKS. 1371718;1452891332;mod6;my key can be found here; http://mod6.net/mod6.asc 1371719;1452891334;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zq5X5d ) 1371720;1452891344;ascii_butugychag;!s pressed cd 1371721;1452891344;assbot;6 results for 'pressed cd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pressed+cd 1371722;1452891377;mod6;ah 1371723;1452891407;mod6;;;later tell PeterL Sorry, just missed you there. Thanks for your patience and efforts to build! We'll get through it. 1371724;1452891408;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1371725;1452891614;BingoBoingo;Looks like axe time approaches https://archive.is/dFk4F 1371726;1452891615;assbot;BitFuryGroup is ready to move forward and support 2MB increase with Bitcoin Classic : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU0Rg3 ) 1371727;1452891787;punkman;that's not good 1371728;1452892148;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well. 1371729;1452892158;BingoBoingo;You got to understand the fiat orchestra is coming together 1371730;1452892200;thestringpuller;the shitgnome symphony orchestra 1371731;1452892461;mircea_popescu; my key can be found here; http://mod6.net/mod6.asc << my key's also been on my blog forever now. 1371732;1452892461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zq5X5d ) 1371733;1452892488;mircea_popescu;what exactly do miner producers have to do with this discussion ? 1371734;1452892655;mircea_popescu;"That puts over 50% of the hash rate behind Bitcoin Classic, consensus has been achieved." 1371735;1452892658;mircea_popescu;lol reddit. 1371736;1452892768;mircea_popescu;"A few hardcore small-blockians might actually delay their switch, because the level of anger from that nasty group will be unimaginable, when their beloved developers betray them like this. Popescu alone will probably have a heart attack :)" 1371737;1452892771;mircea_popescu;lol ok. 1371738;1452892784;mircea_popescu;mno, i will simply be staying with bitcoin. as aformentioned, good riddance. 1371739;1452892862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00050864 = 1.5259 BTC [+] {3} 1371740;1452893393;mircea_popescu;lol coinbase doesn't let people buy anymore? :D 1371741;1452893397;BingoBoingo;But it's easy to see how this plays out. Hearn agenda fails and he loudly quits. Derps knee jerk sold on Hearn agenda which is still a pile of fail 1371742;1452893405;BingoBoingo; lol coinbase doesn't let people buy anymore? :D << not today 1371743;1452893422;mircea_popescu;yeaya, im sure that's how things go. 1371744;1452893508;BingoBoingo;But yes, fiat media was all ready to run on hearn's "Bitcoin dead" and loyal USG exchanges ready to prevent buying to fire the broomstick one last time 1371745;1452893508;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/413pwp/mike_hearns_latest_blog_post_was_a_strategic_move/ << uncharacteristically, r/bitcoin is pretty aware of what's going on. 1371746;1452893509;assbot;Mike Hearn's latest blog post was a strategic move by R3 to influence the industry : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3YVg ) 1371747;1452893568;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: it's ashame they underestimate the enemy. when reality sets in the classic, "No one saw this coming!!!111" will echo throughout the chambers. 1371748;1452893591;mircea_popescu;eh that's ok, im sure it'll never have happened. 1371749;1452893597;mircea_popescu;just like xt etc. 1371750;1452893616;mircea_popescu;all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"... 1371751;1452893618;mircea_popescu;sad. 1371752;1452893674;BingoBoingo;The only material difference between XT and "classic" is "classic" has a vague chance of triggering the crisis. XT never had a chance. Not in this or any other hell. 1371753;1452893706;mircea_popescu;amusingly... they don't even have 1/3 of the "public support"/astroturf of xt ? 1371754;1452893712;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this limp dick shit lmao. 1371755;1452893948;BingoBoingo; da fuck is this limp dick shit lmao. << This time they skipped the astroturf to just do the VC dollar squeeze 1371756;1452894091;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1371757;1452894250;mircea_popescu;so the derps are going to control 5bn worth of usg poison with some idle promises for maybe 30-50mn theoretical and in fact a few thouysand here and there ? 1371758;1452894268;mircea_popescu;what is this, usg's wet dream ? go sink a chinese aircraft carrier, yo. 1371759;1452894855;BingoBoingo;!up irdial 1371760;1452894927;BingoBoingo;irdial: See the line here titled register. You are in gribble wot, but not assbot wot yet http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1371761;1452894929;assbot;irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3G8FJ ) 1371762;1452894941;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b32 1371763;1452895226;irdial;!register 5E16D36EDB3240F9 1371764;1452895226;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1371765;1452895301;BingoBoingo;irdial: Full fingerprint 1371766;1452895827;BingoBoingo;!up gernika 1371767;1452895851;gernika;thx BingoBoingo. Curious what's the deal with coinbase? I just bought some btc there like 1 hr ago... 1371768;1452895906;BingoBoingo;gernika: Well, they are having a lot of "service interruptions" today 1371769;1452895912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00050695 = 3.3459 BTC [-] {3} 1371770;1452895941;BingoBoingo;Has the Bitcoin hit your own wallet yet or is it still in Coinbase? 1371771;1452895947;gernika;saw something on reddit where some guy said he couldn't buy 1371772;1452895972;gernika;No - never hits my wallet until a week after I buy, which is normal. 1371773;1452895978;gernika;for coinbase 1371774;1452895995;gernika;er couldn't sell 1371775;1452896048;gernika;And no I don't keep more than a pittance in the wallet at any time. 1371776;1452896278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3298 @ 0.00050615 = 1.6693 BTC [-] {2} 1371777;1452896321;BingoBoingo;ah 1371778;1452896349;irdial;!register E930 6C6E 1CCE 5697 A88B 5482 5E16 D36E DB32 40F9 1371779;1452896349;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint. 1371780;1452896361;deedbot-;[Qntra] Robocoin/Romit Follows Hearn Out - http://qntra.net/2016/01/robocoinromit-follows-hearn-out/ 1371781;1452896428;irdial;!register E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9 1371782;1452896428;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E9306C6E1CCE5697A88B54825E16D36EDB3240F9. This may take a few moments. 1371783;1452896433;assbot;Key DB3240F9 / "Irdial-Discs " successfully imported. 1371784;1452896434;assbot;Registration successful. 1371785;1452896514;gernika;Would prefer not to use coinbase any longer, but no "exchange" is any better, and bitcoin-otc is dead. 1371786;1452896535;ascii_butugychag;i even used it once ! 1371787;1452896546;ascii_butugychag;in fact, the only time i bought coin since... gox 1371788;1452896563;jurov;!gettrust jurov gernika 1371789;1452896564;assbot;Trust relationship from user jurov to user gernika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=gernika | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gernika/ 1371790;1452896573;ascii_butugychag;it worked about as well as 'golden age' gox 1371791;1452896578;ascii_butugychag;grudgingly spat forth some coin 1371792;1452896586;gernika;ascii_butugychag: otc? 1371793;1452896591;ascii_butugychag;coinbase 1371794;1452896595;jurov;gernika i am selling btc via transferwise, so far works well 1371795;1452896601;BingoBoingo;irdial: ty, now you can !up yourself in channel and if you wish you may drop an dpaste encrypted to my public key here for consideration for qntra publication 1371796;1452896604;ascii_butugychag;i was never able to get anything useful whatsoever from otc 1371797;1452896609;jurov;(not big volume tho) 1371798;1452896620;gernika;jurov: will check it out 1371799;1452896654;BingoBoingo;irdial: If something you submit does get published you talk to jurov about collecting your shares. Thank you for your patience. 1371800;1452896682;gernika;ascii_butugychag: I've done a few small transactions on otc. All went smoothly. 1371801;1452896699;gernika;But since the bot went down, haven't used it. 1371802;1452896763;BingoBoingo;!up irdial 1371803;1452896769;irdial;BingoBongo Thatnk you for helping me. 1371804;1452896793;BingoBoingo;irdial: No problem. Just please !up yourself to make sure you have the process for doing so down. 1371805;1452896811;irdial;!up 1371806;1452896818;irdial;!up irdial 1371807;1452896859;jurov;irdial you're up already, i'll devoice you first, then retry 1371808;1452896864;jurov;!down irdial 1371809;1452896888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00050942 = 1.6556 BTC [+] {2} 1371810;1452896914;jurov;irdial oh and talk to assbot in pm, not here 1371811;1452896927;ascii_butugychag;'If you noticed, yesterday at the Hutchins Center, they had a very important meeting comprised of 15 or so people. They included 6-8 members from the Federal Reserve, R3 members, Bitcoin industry members, and also individuals from greater finance. When the R3 guy was speaking, https://youtu.be/R0iArSIU0Z8?t=47m16s , he was saying "I don't know what time it is, but any minute now there will 1371812;1452896928;assbot;Beyond Bitcoin: Morning Webcast Session - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZ7Qk ) 1371813;1452896934;ascii_butugychag; be a New York Times article saying Mike Hearn broke up with Bitcoin and called it a failed experiment."' << l0l 1371814;1452897084;gernika;"When one of the most important people in Bitcoin states something like that you have to listen." http://avc.com/2016/01/bitcoin-is-dead-long-live-bitcoin/ 1371815;1452897085;assbot;Bitcoin Is Dead, Long Live Bitcoin – AVC ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZn1N ) 1371816;1452897113;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, would help if someone gave him a rating first :p 1371817;1452897130;BingoBoingo;!rate irdial 1 loud 1371818;1452897130;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e90b93be43ae09f0 1371819;1452897148;jurov;lol you did not? 1371820;1452897164;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.irdial.1:fea0f97f18bed88a3642c4a450d4595eca0ea2591c2f4557fae869882916da7c 1371821;1452897164;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: loud 1371822;1452897168;BingoBoingo;jurov: forgot too 1371823;1452897180;danielpbarron;i think i tried to give him a -1 a while back but couldn't because he was in the wrong WoT 1371824;1452897188;BingoBoingo;irdial: Pls try to up self again 1371825;1452897414;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2015#1006051 << irdial remember this? 1371826;1452897414;assbot;Logged on 04-02-2015 09:56:00; danielpbarron: wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280 1371827;1452897720;BingoBoingo;!up irdial 1371828;1452898179;BingoBoingo;http://bluematt.bitcoin.ninja/2016/01/14/decentralization/ 1371829;1452898182;assbot;Why Bitcoin's Decentralization Matters · BlueMatt's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1UVLB2r ) 1371830;1452899084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.0005033 = 1.4248 BTC [-] {2} 1371831;1452900792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00050943 = 9.6792 BTC [+] 1371832;1452902134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00050943 = 1.1717 BTC [+] 1371833;1452902561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050943 = 7.6924 BTC [+] 1371834;1452902911;mircea_popescu;!rate irdial 1 new blood 1371835;1452902911;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8522aded55a732a2 1371836;1452902935;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.irdial.1:857be4f2206704b1b9b80f466b11a034fafdce66794f1e3a414e7b592b941e57 1371837;1452902935;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for irdial with note: new blood 1371838;1452903205;mircea_popescu;" While the introduction of the FDIC and similar programs decentralized trust in financial institutions from one party to two, transactions in much of the world do not offer such protections. Even with such programs, individuals are not universally protected from loss across borders and over certain value." 1371839;1452903206;mircea_popescu;da fuck. 1371840;1452903598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9138 @ 0.00050943 = 4.6552 BTC [+] {3} 1371841;1452903862;thestringpuller;how does the FDIC decentralize trust 1371842;1452903879;thestringpuller;it's like "daddy i got robbed can I have more money plz" "sure honey lemme just start up my printer" 1371843;1452903966;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1371844;1452903967;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.62, Best ask: 367.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 367.57, 24 hour volume: 128368.49364011, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 428.92, 24 hour vwap: None 1371845;1452903999;shinohai;MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1 1371846;1452904000;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sngr6a ) 1371847;1452904000;mircea_popescu;in fact the fdic centralized banking to an unsanitary degree. 1371848;1452904208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00050943 = 1.2914 BTC [+] 1371849;1452904513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00050869 = 8.1645 BTC [-] {3} 1371850;1452904940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33326 @ 0.00050943 = 16.9773 BTC [+] 1371851;1452904994;BingoBoingo;Anyone want this week's wall street lolz? 1371852;1452905034;mircea_popescu;lol 35k sold and we're not even at november levels ? this is pitiful. 1371853;1452905040;shinohai;O.o Bundy supporter arrested! 1371854;1452905060;mircea_popescu;instacorrections and errything. 1371855;1452905064;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I gotta go to my Friday meeting soon. Somebody look into and mebbe write it up? 1371856;1452905078;shinohai;http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/protester_arrested_in_burns_dr.html 1371857;1452905078;assbot;Protester arrested in Burns, accused of driving stolen refuge vehicle | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q3Vqdo ) 1371858;1452905135;mircea_popescu;shinohai wasn't that yesterday ? 1371859;1452905455;mircea_popescu;!up locksley 1371860;1452905611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00050943 = 9.0679 BTC [+] 1371861;1452905841;shinohai;first i had seen o f it weird 1371862;1452905916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3597 @ 0.00050531 = 1.8176 BTC [-] {2} 1371863;1452905977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00050478 = 1.5159 BTC [-] 1371864;1452906035;BingoBoingo;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6! 1371865;1452906036;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j ) 1371866;1452906352;mircea_popescu;this is good for bitcoin. 1371867;1452906461;mircea_popescu; /therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ << how come this wasn't 0.99.99.99 anyway ? 1371868;1452906678;danielpbarron;shinohai> MaidSafe: http.. << I met her at porcfest 1371869;1452906709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050943 = 5.4509 BTC [+] 1371870;1452906737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i left the original format string intact 1371871;1452906745;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but you can trivially set it to whatever 1371872;1452906768;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i only see 5 ? 1371873;1452906781;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One got rebooted 1371874;1452906973;shinohai;lol danielpbarron 1371875;1452906981;shinohai;sorry I couldn't resist 1371876;1452906986;danielpbarron;sorry for what? 1371877;1452907003;shinohai;porkfest? 1371878;1452907068;shinohai;!s maidsafe 1371879;1452907068;assbot;91 results for 'maidsafe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maidsafe 1371880;1452907138;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: To be fair #6 is a ways from sync'ing 1371881;1452907144;asciilifeform;am i the only one who thinks of... chastity belt, when reads 'maidsafe' 1371882;1452907163;BingoBoingo;not anymore 1371883;1452907172;BingoBoingo;brb, meeting 1371884;1452907209;mircea_popescu;i can't recall wtf that shartup was supposed to be doing anyway 1371885;1452907233;mircea_popescu;other than getting random derps to self-importantly all over themselves at "conferences" and other pleb gatherings. 1371886;1452907246;danielpbarron;cloud storage on a blockchain or something 1371887;1452907352;asciilifeform;the thing-these-supposedly-are is usually an afterthought 1371888;1452907379;asciilifeform;apparently the mere promise of 'this is the next thing' is sufficient scambait for avaricious idiots 1371889;1452907410;asciilifeform;(for instance, i still don't really know what neobee supposedly was to have done) 1371890;1452907431;asciilifeform;but apparently this aspect is not essential.. 1371891;1452907690;mircea_popescu;brick and mortar!!11 1371892;1452907705;mircea_popescu;apparently overhead is now a selling point. somehow. 1371893;1452907770;mircea_popescu;im sitting here chuckling privately over that roamning mode ssh thing. 1371894;1452907783;mircea_popescu;fucking lulzy software. 1371895;1452908200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do we have a name yet ? 1371896;1452908265;asciilifeform;(though in this case, it is likely to be names - plural) 1371897;1452908330;asciilifeform;and, the mega-question 1371898;1452908356;asciilifeform;... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? 1371899;1452908539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050454 = 5.449 BTC [-] {3} 1371900;1452909393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00050382 = 7.2233 BTC [-] {4} 1371901;1452909820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00050283 = 4.1232 BTC [-] {2} 1371902;1452910248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050682 = 7.4665 BTC [+] {2} 1371903;1452910304;mod6;;;ticker 1371904;1452910305;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 369.03, Best ask: 369.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 136230.01105651, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 423.29, 24 hour vwap: None 1371905;1452910735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00050943 = 2.3434 BTC [+] 1371906;1452910908;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b30 1371907;1452911328;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b73 1371908;1452911650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00050942 = 3.1075 BTC [-] 1371909;1452913541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00049671 = 4.9919 BTC [-] {4} 1371910;1452913724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3383 @ 0.00050078 = 1.6941 BTC [+] {2} 1371911;1452913785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4901 @ 0.00050079 = 2.4544 BTC [+] 1371912;1452913907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050563 = 6.826 BTC [+] {2} 1371913;1452914305;pete_dushenski;tevye update : synced, 16 connex, 825 mb memory, 333 mb vswap in use. 1371914;1452914340;mod6;^5 1371915;1452914391;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371845 << obligatory >> http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/ 1371916;1452914391;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 00:26:39; shinohai: MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1 1371917;1452914393;assbot;The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrkRW7 ) 1371918;1452914464;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371864 << go joe's datacentre ! 1371919;1452914464;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 01:00:35; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6! 1371920;1452914479;pete_dushenski;mod6: not 6 ? 1371921;1452914496;mod6;haha 1371922;1452914502;mod6;^6 it is then 1371923;1452914558;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371072 << isn't this an absurdly long sync time ? 1371924;1452914558;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425 1371925;1452914577;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371071 << and this too !!1 1371926;1452914577;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:11:09; shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall 1371927;1452914613;pete_dushenski;mebbe i'm missing something here 1371928;1452914700;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050583 = 1.2646 BTC [+] {3} 1371929;1452914711;mod6;iirc, to fully sync a node /before/ -verifyall or orphanage burner were even a thing, took me ~8-10 days on a medium sized AWS server. now its a bit longer with those two in play. 1371930;1452914909;pete_dushenski;nuts. i didn't think my vm was anything special, but it was less than a week to fully sync up 99997k 1371931;1452914928;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, "Apple Inc said it will soon start charging for iTunes Radio, its music-streaming service that competes with Pandora Media Inc." 1371932;1452914980;pete_dushenski;so apple can buy russia (tm) (r) but still has to nickel and dime the poor users of its shrinking sandboxes 1371933;1452915310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.000496 = 19.468 BTC [-] {5} 1371934;1452915565;mircea_popescu; ... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? << hard to tell. derpy oversight ? who knows. 1371935;1452915679;*;BingoBoingo has yet to see drama overflow into openbsd-misc so dunno where it is happening 1371936;1452915779;BingoBoingo;For archaeologists http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/outrageous-roaming-fees 1371937;1452915780;assbot;outrageous roaming fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ8Nyo ) 1371938;1452915798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13493 @ 0.00050262 = 6.7819 BTC [+] {2} 1371939;1452916591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050657 = 2.9888 BTC [+] {2} 1371940;1452917323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2406 @ 0.00050658 = 1.2188 BTC [+] 1371941;1452917672;BingoBoingo;Quantrill is at block 134118 beginning to feel some CPU constraints 1371942;1452917690;pete_dushenski;why not take it off 8333 until synced ? 1371943;1452917709;BingoBoingo;Because what other ports should it have open? 1371944;1452917736;*;pete_dushenski not the right guy to answer this 1371945;1452917770;BingoBoingo;Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world 1371946;1452917875;pete_dushenski;"Only a passing mention of the post-Google salary he was drawing from United States Government security agency linked venture capital firm Andreessen1 Horowitz was offered by Popper." << reads funny. maybe missing a hyphen, or a comma, or needs a new ordering or something. 1371947;1452917891;pete_dushenski;"Blockchain handling databased changed to LevelDB" << database 1371948;1452917929;pete_dushenski;"itz was offered by Popper. The focus of Popper's piece is" << also, switch of tenses in same paragraph 1371949;1452918164;BingoBoingo;fxd 1371950;1452918184;mircea_popescu;yeah that spaghetti needs untangling. 1371951;1452918200;mircea_popescu;you and your yurpean prosody bb, what do you think, you're italian now ? 1371952;1452918239;BingoBoingo;I honestly have no idea 1371953;1452918282;pete_dushenski;bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... 1371954;1452918328;mircea_popescu;popper nearly forgot to mention that his employer these days is USG agency AH or something. 1371955;1452918731;mircea_popescu;and incidentally : by now you've got a tell of prime order in this wordiness business. i see you can't get something out in less than eight complements i know you're not altogether happy with it. the thing is - consider cutting it out altogether if that's the case. 1371956;1452918752;mircea_popescu;not like there's such a shortage of bitchslapping you're stuck using the whole chicken, feathers and all. 1371957;1452918848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14093 @ 0.00050658 = 7.1392 BTC [+] 1371958;1452918909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00050775 = 5.8137 BTC [+] {3} 1371959;1452918917;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> Because what other ports should it have open? << you should only open incoming port 8333 when you want people to connect to your node to sync ~from you~ 1371960;1452918996;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... << -27.4 F, yep, that'll chill ya out. makes for pretty hard & fast ice tho. so there's the upside there. 1371961;1452919494;mod6;who's up to speed on DER? 1371962;1452919558;mod6;I've made a patch to remove high-S, added in patch, recompiled, restarted bitcoind and then sent a tx. here's what I'm looking at from a dumpblock of that tx: 1371963;1452919561;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt 1371964;1452919563;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWl9Wk ) 1371965;1452919600;mod6;I think I've got those R & S values picked out correctly, right? Anyone have any thoughts on this? 1371966;1452919763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2635 @ 0.00050446 = 1.3293 BTC [-] {2} 1371967;1452920289;pete_dushenski;mod6: these kinds of temps do indeed make for excellent ice. and though it's a bit brisk for du patinage, the ice on whyte festival is on this weekend just down the street from my place (https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=ice%20on%20whyte), for which it's -30c for every second year and +5c on the alternates. i'll bundle up and take it this way. it's sorta sad to watch the ice sculptures melting. 1371968;1452920655;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School, Part III. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/15/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school-part-iii/ 1371969;1452921593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00050724 = 4.5652 BTC [+] {3} 1371970;1452923247;BingoBoingo;!up linton_s_dawson 1371971;1452923252;BingoBoingo;it happens 1371972;1452923532;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonness 1371973;1452923532;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 12:16:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive train to powering 1371974;1452923543;pete_dushenski;http://image.trucktrend.com/f/features/news/2013/1310_2005_international_cxt_historical_flashbacks/55048118/2005-International-CXT-front-view-in-motion.jpg 1371975;1452923545;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQjcKy ) 1371976;1452923597;pete_dushenski;it was discontinued due to poor sales. 1371977;1452923631;pete_dushenski;though a few of them are still to be found on the streets around here. though a lamborghini is a more common sighting. 1371978;1452923720;BingoBoingo;They really should reintroduce it this year 1371979;1452923773;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1371980;1452923780;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.22, vol: 35524.57929436 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 373.063, vol: 24358.00231 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.51, vol: 121576.55024584 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 375.981487, vol: 92646.55420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.32, vol: 609.38427365 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 308.93380557 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1371981;1452923781;BingoBoingo;;;more 1371982;1452923781;gribble;average: 373.574225317 1371983;1452923789;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1371984;1452923790;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 372.5, Best ask: 372.51, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 372.51, 24 hour volume: 121554.83699054, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 417.9, 24 hour vwap: None 1371985;1452923831;copypaste;pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work 1371986;1452923849;pete_dushenski;lolk 1371987;1452923877;pete_dushenski;i wonder what kids would think of me if i drove a 'cxt' ? 1371988;1452923902;pete_dushenski;probably "that asshole hates the environment. what a pig !" 1371989;1452923913;copypaste;i'd think you were a farmer 1371990;1452923922;copypaste;or some other american rural dweller 1371991;1452923965;pete_dushenski;that's actually reasonably fair, even if the only guy i ever knew who owned a 'cxt' was an industrial pipe-fitter or plumber or something of the sort 1371992;1452924019;pete_dushenski;husband of a former colleague 1371993;1452924582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00050439 = 4.363 BTC [-] {4} 1371994;1452924636;pete_dushenski;speaking of 'international', just found the BingoBoingo-special : http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/652995075/overview/ 1371995;1452924637;assbot;1977 International RALLY, $26,768 - Cars.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgP0fY ) 1371996;1452924719;BingoBoingo;That's actually not a bad price 1371997;1452924783;pete_dushenski;;;calc 26768/372 1371998;1452924783;gribble;71.9569892473 1371999;1452924799;BingoBoingo;Of course it's a bad price in BTC 1372000;1452924805;pete_dushenski;;) 1372001;1452924815;BingoBoingo;But it's not a bad price in say Ohio McMansions 1372002;1452924825;pete_dushenski;heh 1372003;1452924853;pete_dushenski;too bad ohio mcmansions aren't on the blockchain then 1372004;1452924890;pete_dushenski;(yes, wall streeters reading this, ~the~ blockchain, not "a") 1372005;1452924905;BingoBoingo;Well you gotta blame the20year for that problem 1372006;1452924926;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/19/there-is-no-bitcoin-2-0/ 1372007;1452924928;assbot;There Is No "Bitcoin 2.0" | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQlhWR ) 1372008;1452924941;pete_dushenski;wow, almost two years ago eh 1372009;1452924948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00050166 = 3.01 BTC [-] {2} 1372010;1452924955;pete_dushenski;;;seen The20yearirc 1372011;1452924955;gribble;I have not seen The20yearirc. 1372012;1452924962;pete_dushenski;what was it.. 1372013;1452924987;pete_dushenski;;;seen the20yearirclous 1372014;1452924987;gribble;I have not seen the20yearirclous. 1372015;1452924990;pete_dushenski;fuck 1372016;1452924999;pete_dushenski;;;seen The20YearIRCloud 1372017;1452924999;gribble;The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: Why/where? 1372018;1452925103;pete_dushenski;for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT 1372019;1452925104;assbot;Havelock Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgPWRB ) 1372020;1452925167;BingoBoingo;Could not get his tenants to take pictures with posters for dope money 1372021;1452925217;pete_dushenski;he could've taken the pics himself, collected the donations too 1372022;1452926534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050567 = 7.9643 BTC [+] 1372023;1452926817;BingoBoingo;In other news Qntra comment to post differential is now back up to 304 1372024;1452926825;BingoBoingo;!up kingking190 1372025;1452926842;kingking190;Hey guys ^_^ 1372026;1452926848;BingoBoingo;o hai 1372027;1452926859;kingking190;How is bitcoin doing tonight ? 1372028;1452926882;BingoBoingo;Wonderful 1372029;1452926910;kingking190;so what are you guys up to ? 1372030;1452926946;pete_dushenski;playing house. you wanna be the fireman or the doctor ? 1372031;1452926961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00050727 = 1.8556 BTC [+] 1372032;1452926981;kingking190;whats the price now ? 1372033;1452926992;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1372034;1452926997;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.72, vol: 35499.20733251 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 365.821, vol: 24741.42222 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 368.3, vol: 122413.87469575 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 373.387818, vol: 94005.37010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.16001, vol: 610.30129482 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1372035;1452927000;BingoBoingo;;;more 1372036;1452927000;gribble;average: 369.612942207 1372037;1452927004;kingking190;thanks 1372038;1452927009;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1372039;1452927016;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2452.62, vol: 94010.96910000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2452.62 1372040;1452927026;kingking190;rmb ? 1372041;1452927027;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp 1372042;1452927034;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 257.217408, vol: 35499.29556780 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 257.7645, vol: 24771.86207 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 263.025, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 261.962244, vol: 94006.93770000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 260.0, vol: 44.73258408 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 267.882346, vol: 307.3416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 260.211990616 1372043;1452927035;BingoBoingo;kingking190: Chicom funny money 1372044;1452927072;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency eur 1372045;1452927079;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 336.062208, vol: 35499.15579493 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 341.1693, vol: 520.84706 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 343.65, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 342.198688, vol: 94011.45260000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 338.64001, vol: 23064.895381 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.21, vol: 307.6416549 | Volume-weighted last average: 340.248534409 1372046;1452927157;punkman;bon dia 1372047;1452927174;pete_dushenski;hola senor 1372048;1452927313;punkman;nice price eh 1372049;1452927437;pete_dushenski;higher than it was last year at this time :) 1372050;1452927863;kingking190;;;ticker -- market all 1372051;1452927864;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 1372052;1452927953;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371961 << speaking of which, are transactions without strict-DER encoding still getting through? 1372053;1452927953;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 04:44:54; mod6: who's up to speed on DER? 1372054;1452927998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050726 = 4.1717 BTC [-] 1372055;1452928021;kingking190;;;ticker --market all 1372056;1452928028;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.87, vol: 35390.33590136 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.296, vol: 24740.45312 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 369.45, vol: 123089.05550487 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 372.2212, vol: 94584.78930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.3101, vol: 609.35545635 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.887264, vol: 295.46809622 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1372057;1452928045;pete_dushenski;!gettrust kingking190 1372058;1452928045;assbot;kingking190 is not registered in WoT. 1372059;1452928052;pete_dushenski;get in the wot, wouldja 1372060;1452928060;BingoBoingo;punkman: No, incapable of getting mined into a block that won't be orphaned 1372061;1452928132;punkman;for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files 1372062;1452928134;assbot;Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu ) 1372063;1452928235;kingking190;who me ? 1372064;1452928300;BingoBoingo;yes you 1372065;1452928347;pete_dushenski;couldn't be ! then who ? number two ! 1372066;1452928370;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371193 << i actually got it and i'm not even a soviet refugee 1372067;1452928370;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 15:28:39; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref 1372068;1452928482;kingking190;How do i get Wot ? 1372069;1452928486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050725 = 4.4638 BTC [-] 1372070;1452928487;BingoBoingo;!help 1372071;1452928487;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1372072;1452928490;BingoBoingo;that 1372073;1452928499;kingking190;yes sir 1372074;1452928527;pete_dushenski;kingking190: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ 1372075;1452928529;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi ) 1372076;1452928852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00050082 = 11.2339 BTC [-] {5} 1372077;1452928957;BingoBoingo;!up kingking190 1372078;1452929096;kingking190;hmmm says as a windows user i can't get wot ? >_> 1372079;1452929153;BingoBoingo;Mebbe fix the windows user part? 1372080;1452929159;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371450 <-- ? --> http://dailyheadlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-10-at-11.30.24-PM.png 1372081;1452929159;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 18:09:07; *: trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't 1372082;1452929174;BingoBoingo;Got a crappy old laptop you can try linux on kingking190 1372083;1452929203;kingking190;lol i have linux on my server :P 1372084;1452929218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14255 @ 0.00049895 = 7.1125 BTC [-] 1372085;1452929225;pete_dushenski;or mebbe more like http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/batista/17.jpg 1372086;1452929226;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWyy0H ) 1372087;1452929230;BingoBoingo;A server's a pretty shitty place to keep personal private key material 1372088;1452929253;pete_dushenski;bout the same as windows, really 1372089;1452929255;kingking190;>_< i don't keep anything personal on there mate............. 1372090;1452929265;kingking190;same with windows....... 1372091;1452929277;pete_dushenski;you have any bitcoin ? 1372092;1452929290;kingking190;>_> yes and its safe from you. 1372093;1452929294;kingking190;:P 1372094;1452929312;pete_dushenski;lemme guess, trezor ? 1372095;1452929352;kingking190;and why would i go telling everone where it is? >_> 1372096;1452929376;punkman;http://blog.cryptsy.com/post/137323646202/announcement mega-lol 1372097;1452929377;assbot;Cryptsy Blog — Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/2364INd ) 1372098;1452929384;kingking190;like yes yell to the world where my safe is lol 1372099;1452929462;BingoBoingo;kingking190: Well you're actually supposed to do that the the decoy safe you keep full of FOOF 1372100;1452929471;BingoBoingo;!s FOOF 1372101;1452929472;assbot;5 results for 'FOOF' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=FOOF 1372102;1452929502;kingking190;well in that case yes its on this computer....... 1372103;1452929519;punkman;"At one time we had a open communication with Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him – so he was no longer somebody we could report this to.  Recently I attempted to contact the Miami FBI office to report this, but they instead directed me to report it on the I3C website.  I’ve not heard anything from them." 1372104;1452929525;kingking190;btw the back doors are open for everyone lol :P 1372105;1452929548;BingoBoingo;kingking190: If your computer was full of FOOF I doubt it would be on, much less on irc. 1372106;1452929581;kingking190;lol so when do you guys think of buy more bitcoin ? 1372107;1452929588;BingoBoingo;Might as well if you can 1372108;1452929590;punkman;erryday 1372109;1452929610;pete_dushenski;punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1370753 1372110;1452929610;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 04:19:52; pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !! 1372111;1452929619;BingoBoingo;kingking190: Us poorfags though who can not afford FOOF are stuck with thermite 1372112;1452929759;kingking190;YAY thermite !!! 1372113;1452929835;kingking190;I have a mac but too lazy to go down to the car and get it. 1372114;1452929848;kingking190;its -20f here :( 1372115;1452929883;pete_dushenski;brisk, baby 1372116;1452929889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00049295 = 3.6232 BTC [-] {2} 1372117;1452929904;BingoBoingo;-20f is too warm a temperature for storing FOOF 1372118;1452929954;BingoBoingo;far too warm 1372119;1452929956;kingking190;seems dead in here 1372120;1452929959;kingking190;lol 1372121;1452929978;BingoBoingo;key line generators are asleep 1372122;1452929994;kingking190;;;ticker --market all 1372123;1452930000;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 35286.08020648 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 359.123, vol: 25400.10303 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.5, vol: 126585.24866502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.598585, vol: 97736.48050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 364.144, vol: 630.52793496 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.562912, vol: 296.11653737 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1372124;1452930008;kingking190;yay drop more !!!! 1372125;1452930101;punkman;kingking190: you should probably get an old laptop and airgap it, then you can safely generate both GPG and Bitcoin keys on it 1372126;1452930129;kingking190;ya i should 1372127;1452930136;kingking190;just too lazy right now 1372128;1452930255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.00049894 = 5.3252 BTC [+] {2} 1372129;1452930257;BingoBoingo;Also consider getting a FOOF system for the Patek Phillipe of fail deadly area denial 1372130;1452930274;kingking190;hmmm ? 1372131;1452930293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371581 << growing up, mine as well. they're actually native to these parts, if rare. their 'snowshoe' paws always fascinated me. 1372132;1452930293;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 19:04:36; ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid 1372133;1452930349;kingking190;How do i WoT on here ? 1372134;1452930354;BingoBoingo;kingking190: Here's a primer on FOOF http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride 1372135;1452930357;assbot;Things I Won’t Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/2365F88 ) 1372136;1452930388;pete_dushenski;kingking190: less talking more reading. 1372137;1452930398;kingking190;lol 1372138;1452930403;BingoBoingo; How do i WoT on here ? << You basically read up for a few months, demonstrate you aren't an irredeemable lout and less talking more doing. It works if you work it. 1372139;1452930409;punkman;https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/c201.html interesting 1372140;1452930410;assbot;ASUS Chromebook C201 ... ( http://bit.ly/2365GZY ) 1372141;1452930535;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371626 << it's more like, "i have such a winning personality that beautiful people can't help but hang around me. maybe you'll be ~yet another~ such lucky person." 1372142;1452930535;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 19:26:39; mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right 1372143;1452930564;kingking190;!register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200 1372144;1452930564;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments. 1372145;1452930565;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1372146;1452930568;pete_dushenski;it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty. 1372147;1452930601;pete_dushenski;kingking190: if you just made the key, make sure you've sent it to the keyservers, then wait a few for it to propagate 1372148;1452930616;pete_dushenski;otherwise, good form so far. 1372149;1452930699;kingking190;i had waited like 5 mins lol guess i can wait some more. 1372150;1452930733;kingking190;!register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200 1372151;1452930733;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments. 1372152;1452930733;assbot;No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu. 1372153;1452930794;pete_dushenski;try sending to keyserver again. if you already have, just hang tight. there's no rush. 1372154;1452930937;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371750 << gavin et al. could've at least tried something more descriptive like "bitcoin double" or "bitcoin plus" or "bitcoin extra" or "bitcoin supersize" etc etc. 1372155;1452930937;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 21:33:36; mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"... 1372156;1452930944;pete_dushenski;!up kingking190 1372157;1452930949;kingking190;hmmm ok 1372158;1452930971;kingking190;says i been registerd 1372159;1452931003;pete_dushenski;!rate kingking190 1 let's give this a shot 1372160;1452931003;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5114aaf160eb22d 1372161;1452931044;kingking190;there we go :D 1372162;1452931048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049589 = 5.9011 BTC [-] {4} 1372163;1452931057;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.kingking190.1:a71e096874e6f4e4c229b49495aa87900f4636c339a49a3e27b8e180085359e1 1372164;1452931057;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for kingking190 with note: let's give this a shot 1372165;1452931077;kingking190;thank you much 1372166;1452931080;pete_dushenski;now you can /msg assbot !up then decrypt the otp then !v it 1372167;1452931086;pete_dushenski;np 1372168;1452931109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0422 BTC [-] 1372169;1452931113;kingking190;now that part i am lost at .... 1372170;1452931169;pete_dushenski;type `/msg assbot !up` 1372171;1452931175;kingking190;i did... 1372172;1452931181;BingoBoingo;!down kingking190 lurk moar until you aren't lost 1372173;1452931181;kingking190;sent me back a link 1372174;1452931188;pete_dushenski;then follow the link that assbot gives you 1372175;1452931207;pete_dushenski;k. then go to the link and copy and paste it into a new txt document 1372176;1452931251;BingoBoingo;Oh midnightmagic I thought you were done with this channel? 1372177;1452931277;pete_dushenski;kingking190: then in your command line tool, type `gpg --decrypt filename.txt` 1372178;1452931307;pete_dushenski;you'll enter your passphrase and it'll spit out the decrypted message 1372179;1452931338;pete_dushenski;copy that, go back to irc and tell assbot `!v decryptedfilename.txt` 1372180;1452931449;pete_dushenski;"The Bitcoin experiment is six years old." << hey fred wilson, it's 7 yo. can you count ? 1372181;1452931504;pete_dushenski;kingking190: aha. wd. 1372182;1452931509;kingking190;thanks pete for the help 1372183;1452931532;pete_dushenski;all good :) 1372184;1452931556;kingking190;!down BingoBoingo no help 1372185;1452931572;pete_dushenski;kingking190: so are you a trader ? or what do you do ? you american ? 1372186;1452931583;kingking190;american 1372187;1452931587;kingking190;i trader for fun 1372188;1452931602;kingking190;I am a trader for fun not tooo big.. 1372189;1452931612;kingking190;just 18 hours with out sleep. 1372190;1452931643;pete_dushenski;aha. day job ? 1372191;1452931665;kingking190;you know computer hacker j/k i repair computers / ETC 1372192;1452931742;pete_dushenski;cool 1372193;1452931780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00049295 = 2.1059 BTC [-] {2} 1372194;1452931781;kingking190;i like the job. only had it for about 60 days 1372195;1452931839;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/mgw6y3cH7tA << omg burkaworx ! (tm) 1372196;1452931840;assbot;10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman in Hijab - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4EK5A ) 1372197;1452931841;kingking190;but the boss is nice. Plus the hours are good. 1372198;1452931849;pete_dushenski;kingking190: what'd you do before ? 1372199;1452931870;kingking190;>_< construction 1372200;1452931885;pete_dushenski;yeah that's slowing down eh 1372201;1452931903;kingking190;i hated it 1372202;1452931932;kingking190;when i met my wife she told me. " you got one year to find a job you like or back to construction with you" 1372203;1452932021;pete_dushenski;a woman in charge (but accommodating) 1372204;1452932024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00049295 = 4.2147 BTC [-] 1372205;1452932048;kingking190;eh its fine i love her ^_^ 1372206;1452932067;kingking190;been with her for 3 years now. 1372207;1452932089;pete_dushenski;if you don't mind me asking, how old are you ? 1372208;1452932098;pete_dushenski;(to give "3 years" context) 1372209;1452932099;kingking190;i been sick for the last week it sucks 1372210;1452932107;kingking190;26 now 1372211;1452932124;pete_dushenski;ah well then 3 years is pretty decent :) 1372212;1452932143;pete_dushenski;!up frogman_ 1372213;1452932143;ben_vulpes; o gawd pete_dushenski the cxt 1372214;1452932148;kingking190;been married for two years now. 1372215;1452932153;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol! 1372216;1452932179;pete_dushenski;ima have a cxt parked next to my zonda. 1372217;1452932188;midnightmagic;BingoBoingo: me? no, never. you guys are differently-informed than anyone else. I would miss important things if I weren't in here lurking. 1372218;1452932200;BingoBoingo;ah 1372219;1452932234;pete_dushenski;kingking190: cool beans. well over half the dudes in here are married / in long-term relationships so you're in good company. 1372220;1452932243;BingoBoingo;I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more? 1372221;1452932286;pete_dushenski;http://morningsteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/penis-pump-history.jpg << inflated 1372222;1452932288;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4FszU ) 1372223;1452932295;kingking190;pete_dushenski, i love being married never got to wonder what i am doing this weekend lol 1372224;1452932344;kingking190;pete_dushenski, plus always have a girl in the bed can't whine about that ^_^ 1372225;1452932357;pete_dushenski;1 > 0 1372226;1452932402;kingking190;;ticker --market all 1372227;1452932412;BingoBoingo;kingking190: What if wife breaks contract and turns into an Obeast Hamplanet? 1372228;1452932430;kingking190;;;ticker --market all 1372229;1452932438;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.19, vol: 34416.70759602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 358.85, vol: 26425.32616 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.85, vol: 126477.16867845 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.775864, vol: 99766.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.07, vol: 604.11409206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 354.651021109, vol: 351.92414883 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1372230;1452932473;BingoBoingo;kingking190: mebbe don't spam the ticker so much? Especially if you aren't going to ;;more to get the average? 1372231;1452932475;midnightmagic;BingoBoingo: Hrm. No, and that occupation has a terrible name. I'm Canadian. The gun culture up here is mostly ex-americans and preppers and they bury themselves where nobody can find them. 1372232;1452932486;kingking190;BingoBoingo, ^_^ i make her RUN!!!! RUN!!!! 1372233;1452932512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00049409 = 13.6616 BTC [+] {4} 1372234;1452932523;midnightmagic;Unless you're in Alberta! Then it's all "shit the Metis might have another uprising, argh" 1372235;1452932553;kingking190;BingoBoingo, do you whine about everything ? or just some stuff ? 1372236;1452932597;pete_dushenski;kingking190: that's no way for a n00b to talk, kid. 1372237;1452932617;BingoBoingo;kingking190: I've only been sober for jsut under 3 months now. I'm still getting used to this whole deal that goes with not being a blackout drunk. Serious lifestyle changes involved. 1372238;1452932670;kingking190;BingoBoingo, oh i'm sorry wish you the best of luck. stay sober! ( goes and grabs a beer) 1372239;1452932677;BingoBoingo;Also discoveries made. Like coffee does a much better job promoting wakefulness when it isn't just used as a delivery vehicle for Irish cream. 1372240;1452932684;kingking190;pete_dushenski, i am who i am kinda hard not to be. 1372241;1452932713;pete_dushenski;if only that were true... 1372242;1452932739;kingking190;pete_dushenski, i alway say whats on my mind ( why my wife hits me soo much LOL!!!! ) 1372243;1452932754;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Were you around for the early shittalking between n00b BingoBoingo and n00b ben_vulpes in an episode that seriously confused mircea_popescu sometime around August 2013? 1372244;1452932793;pete_dushenski;kingking190: y'know, given your unsolicited professions of love for your wife earlier, that she hits you isn't the least bit surprising. 1372245;1452932798;pete_dushenski;;/ 1372246;1452932819;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: This came around the time Eve online was on its decline as a #b-a fad 1372247;1452932828;kingking190;pete_dushenski, ^_^ she calls them love taps hahahahahaha 1372248;1452932833;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: just ever so slightly before my time. mighta read it during my 'yeshiva' but don't recall the specifics atm. 1372249;1452932861;frogman_;hi everyone 1372250;1452932866;BingoBoingo;hai 1372251;1452932873;kingking190;hello 1372252;1452932874;frogman_;thanks pete_dushenski 1372253;1452932922;kingking190;pete_dushenski: i am not sure the book bag was a love tap LOL >_> it was full at that time T_T 1372254;1452932941;pete_dushenski;np frogman_. who might you be ? 1372255;1452932955;frogman_;im a new comer to bitcoin 1372256;1452932958;kingking190;The worlds best hacker RUN RUN RUN !!! 1372257;1452932964;frogman_;my friend told me to check this out 1372258;1452932973;frogman_;so im here 1372259;1452932974;kingking190;Well welcome to Bitcoin. 1372260;1452932980;BingoBoingo;Welcome. Keep coming back. It works when you work it. 1372261;1452933004;frogman_;thanks 1372262;1452933090;kingking190;pete_dushenski: so what are you doing tonight ? 1372263;1452933124;frogman_;So im trying to buy my first bitcoin 1372264;1452933164;kingking190;coinbase was where i got my first one... well wait i mined my first one. but the first one i got with real money lol 1372265;1452933189;kingking190;i like coinbase setup so far. 1372266;1452933197;frogman_;wow thats cool 1372267;1452933208;pete_dushenski;kingking190: reading finance news/logs and blogging a bit earlier, flipping through tumblr pr0n atm. pretty standard evening. 1372268;1452933247;kingking190;pete_dushenski: get a wife/ girl friend to help you with the pr0n. 1372269;1452933259;frogman_;id like to buy on bitcoin otc 1372270;1452933277;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: How's pantagruel been? 1372271;1452933305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8312 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0974 BTC [-] {2} 1372272;1452933307;pete_dushenski;the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same 1372273;1452933308;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P5AS7m ) 1372274;1452933341;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: quite well :) 1372275;1452933410;kingking190;well then i guess my wife is rally good ^_^ 1372276;1452933437;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla 1372277;1452933443;pete_dushenski;caz ! 1372278;1452933458;cazalla;down down, prices are down! 1372279;1452933474;cazalla;evening 1372280;1452933482;BingoBoingo;Have a CoinacolaclassicwithLime 1372281;1452933558;kingking190;prices are going up up up up !!! 1372282;1452933636;frogman_;so all of you are writing on qntra regularly :) 1372283;1452933658;kingking190;i like to trader LTC and XMR 1372284;1452933663;kingking190;TRade * 1372285;1452933669;kingking190;>_< soooooo sleeply 1372286;1452933669;BingoBoingo;A lot of people have given it a swing, but some write more regularly than others. 1372287;1452933742;cazalla;kingking190, nah prices are definitely down, picking up all these cheaps coins will give you a hearnia! 1372288;1452933766;BingoBoingo;Do moar squats!!! 1372289;1452933783;pete_dushenski;deadlifts too 1372290;1452933791;frogman_;yes specially you BingoBoingo! 1372291;1452933831;kingking190;i will just go play with my wife some more. 1372292;1452933855;*;pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight. 1372293;1452933869;cazalla;BingoBoingo, been doing em, already added 50kg to my squat since november (90kg then, 140kg yesterday) 1372294;1452933883;*;BingoBoingo does not yet trust back enough to try deadlifts. 1372295;1452933896;BingoBoingo;sweet cazalla 1372296;1452933905;cazalla;not in the squat rack though, this sliding one where u stand in it like a space man 1372297;1452934006;cazalla;like this, but more vertical and less black dudes http://i.imgur.com/6szKPkT.png 1372298;1452934007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4I40C ) 1372299;1452934025;BingoBoingo;Smith machine 1372300;1452934030;BingoBoingo;Muh Triggerz 1372301;1452934054;pete_dushenski;l0l! 1372302;1452934070;cazalla;yeah sorta doesn't count eh, not hitting dem stabilisers, but using the machines to avoid injury, i always end up with some nagging injury from free weights 1372303;1452934085;cazalla;still, butts to the floor, none of that half squat shit 1372304;1452934156;cazalla;so, all this drama over hearnia, when i thought he said he left already? 1372305;1452934218;kingking190;hmmmm 1372306;1452934229;kingking190;nothing to say about this lol 1372307;1452934276;cazalla;kingking190, hearnia or weight lifting? 1372308;1452934305;kingking190;cazalla : nothing on that stuff 1372309;1452934320;cazalla;both? oh ok 1372310;1452934332;cazalla;maybe you should lift so your wife doesn't think you have low t or something 1372311;1452934363;kingking190;LOL i pick up my wife just about every night and take her to bed. 1372312;1452934385;cazalla;does she fall asleep in front of the tv? 1372313;1452934430;kingking190;>_< no she plays video games untill she falls asleep :P 1372314;1452934442;cazalla;a gamer girl? fuck, i hate them (no offense) 1372315;1452934453;kingking190;LOL why is that ? 1372316;1452934467;cazalla;well, you know the likes of kaceytron? 1372317;1452934475;kingking190;who ? 1372318;1452934490;*;pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir 1372319;1452934536;cazalla;kingking190, she's a cam whore masquerading as a gamer girl, problem is, porn is easily accessible, so i don't really need to see all these cam whores on sites like twitch.tv 1372320;1452934554;cazalla;great tits though 1372321;1452934564;kingking190;lol i play games not watch people play them lol 1372322;1452934574;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEhyGrK4fiE 1372323;1452934575;assbot;Who is Kaceytron - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4J1pF ) 1372324;1452934595;kingking190;anyways why would i watch a gamer girl play when i have one to grab right here ? 1372325;1452934626;cazalla;because i have a missus and i know that grows boring after the x month 1372326;1452934637;cazalla;watching games is OK, depends on the game 1372327;1452934663;punkman;Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz 1372328;1452934670;kingking190;meh i love my wife so i can't get board 1372329;1452934686;BingoBoingo;But does time love your wife? 1372330;1452934705;cazalla;the whole girls play games thing though is really just women playing games aka advertising apps on their iphone 1372331;1452934709;kingking190;BingoBoingo, yes :P 1372332;1452934731;BingoBoingo;kingking190: 3 decades from nao? 1372333;1452934822;kingking190;BigBitz, she will look lovely to me 1372334;1452934836;cazalla;kingking190, yellow fever huh? 1372335;1452934899;kingking190;cazalla, hey she the love of my life. 1372336;1452934915;cazalla;kingking190, you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam (where i saw the avatar of you and the wife) 1372337;1452934927;cazalla;well, that's a nice thing 1372338;1452934934;BingoBoingo;lol still using btcjam? 1372339;1452934950;cazalla;https://btcjam.com/users/39517 1372340;1452934952;assbot;kingking190 - BTCJam ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JuIx ) 1372341;1452934974;kingking190;i have no loan out 1372342;1452934977;kingking190;one* 1372343;1452934979;BingoBoingo;There are seriously some lessons much better learned 3 or 4 years ago 1372344;1452935024;kingking190;looking my user name up ? 1372345;1452935042;kingking190;you going to find everthing 1372346;1452935067;kingking190;used that user name for anything since i was 10 1372347;1452935067;cazalla;you married yao ming? https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/998763_621316914553436_1093532295_n.jpg?oh=1f7bf66c129e34576e83ac3354fa593f&oe=573FA991 1372348;1452935070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JIzd ) 1372349;1452935070;kingking190;^_^ 1372350;1452935083;kingking190;^_^ yes 1372351;1452935085;cazalla;soz, i am only playing :) god knows my missus does not look near as good as she did when we first mete 1372352;1452935120;kingking190;she still looks the same as she did when i first met her ^_^ 1372353;1452935128;kingking190;well better 1372354;1452935142;cazalla;bonus points to you then 1372355;1452935168;kingking190;anyways why are you giving me so much shit about this anyways ? 1372356;1452935204;cazalla;tbh, this is how much australians talk to each other in conversation 1372357;1452935207;cazalla;most* 1372358;1452935228;BingoBoingo;kingking190: Here you have to be sensitive to actual cultural diversity 1372359;1452935264;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla 1372360;1452935340;kingking190;ahh its fine just poking a bit fun back :( 1372361;1452935346;kingking190;don't get too mad 1372362;1452935353;cazalla;kingking190, ya not worried ya kids will end up supreme gentlemen? 1372363;1452935380;kingking190;why would i be worried ? 1372364;1452935412;cazalla;you know, the elliot rodger type when white meets yellow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lBPMiZakY 1372365;1452935413;assbot;Elliot Rodger Smokes Weed Everyday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4Kn3A ) 1372366;1452935444;kingking190;LOL 1372367;1452935453;kingking190;i am not worried 1372368;1452935534;punkman;you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam << lending money on btcjam is stupid, taking their money, eh, why not 1372369;1452935561;*;BingoBoingo more worried about... giving BTCJam any information at all 1372370;1452935565;BingoBoingo;!up op_null2_ 1372371;1452935590;cazalla;punkman, if he's borrowing, i'd bet he's lending too 1372372;1452935604;cazalla;otherwise his account would've been shitcanned for scamming already 1372373;1452935634;kingking190;i did for a bit but not anymore 1372374;1452935718;op_null2_;Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ? 1372375;1452935723;kingking190;i made good money on there. 1372376;1452935782;kingking190;Theres a trick to getting loans out and make good money on them. 1372377;1452935784;BingoBoingo;op_null2_: This one seems less liek a legit crash and more like a broomstick firing http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ 1372378;1452935785;assbot;So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik ) 1372379;1452935785;punkman;op_null2_: the "community" can't rub two bitcents together so what do they care about price 1372380;1452935924;kingking190;but they don't let us do that anymore . 1372381;1452936008;kingking190;you could pull out like 5 btc on a 5% loan for 30 days 1372382;1452936037;punkman;kingking190: and what if the guy runs with your 100btc 1372383;1452936079;kingking190;punkman, not talking about lending. talking about pulling a loan out >_< 1372384;1452936098;cazalla;kingking190, i hear asian women make good wives, is that true? 1372385;1452936118;cazalla;in that they are more subservient, treat you like a real man without actually having to be one 1372386;1452936162;kingking190;cazalla, depens what you want? if you want a girl who treats you good yes but if you mess with them there not like USA girls where they walk out.... 1372387;1452936172;kingking190;they will do much worse 1372388;1452936233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10586 @ 0.00049839 = 5.276 BTC [+] {2} 1372389;1452936241;kingking190;plus there not like USA girls where ( oh you lost all your money pour thing she leaves you.) 1372390;1452936326;kingking190;hell we both slept on the floor for 6 months 1372391;1452936343;kingking190;and ate romen noodles for 2 months 1372392;1452936383;cazalla;birthdays was the worst days? 1372393;1452936419;kingking190;what do you mean ? 1372394;1452936504;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs 1372395;1452936504;assbot;Switzerland seizing assets from refugees to cover costs | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4LTmq ) 1372396;1452936513;cazalla;ya know, that you and ya missus went from negative to positive, and it's all good! 1372397;1452936535;cazalla;what assets to refos have? 1372398;1452936538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00049922 = 5.4899 BTC [+] {3} 1372399;1452936555;punkman;"If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs." 1372400;1452936567;cazalla;from that article it would seem the refos have more savings than the locals 1372401;1452936577;punkman;cazalla: not all the refugees are dirt poor 1372402;1452936616;cazalla;times like this i'm glad to be down under.. good fucking luck swimming that distance to get here 1372403;1452936666;kingking190;i wish XMR would go up 1372404;1452936690;kingking190;i sitting on about 1k 1372405;1452936763;cazalla;what's that? moronero? 1372406;1452936768;kingking190;yes 1372407;1452936773;BingoBoingo;punkman: ty for link 1372408;1452936810;BingoBoingo;;;later tell fluffypony one of your fans is visiting 1372409;1452936810;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1372410;1452936856;kingking190;i am really hoping LTC jumps 1372411;1452936866;punkman;0.001 xmr/btc eh, I bought/sold some around 0.005, glad I didn't stick with it 1372412;1452936910;kingking190;lol 1372413;1452936923;kingking190;i made some really good money on XMR 1372414;1452936942;kingking190;made about 5.7 btc alone on that one 1372415;1452936946;cazalla;why are you relegated to hope then kingking190 ? 1372416;1452936969;BingoBoingo;!up kingking190 1372417;1452936988;BingoBoingo;!up op_null2 1372418;1452937000;op_null2;Thanks. 1372419;1452937001;kingking190;hmm what do you mean cazalla ? 1372420;1452937011;op_null2;What ever happened to mircea_popescu 's bet that Ethereum wouldn't launch? 1372421;1452937017;op_null2;or would be vaporware 1372422;1452937026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049301 = 3.1553 BTC [-] {3} 1372423;1452937029;op_null2;did he pay out? 1372424;1452937041;cazalla;op_null2, none of you cunts put your money where your mouth is, at least until after the fact like now 1372425;1452937057;op_null2;so nobody took him up on the bet? 1372426;1452937058;cazalla;kingking190, hoping litecoin goes up doesn't seem like a sound strategy that's all i'm saying 1372427;1452937062;BingoBoingo;op_null2: One person took it and never returned with a private key to claim it 1372428;1452937086;punkman;there were some bitbet bets too 1372429;1452937093;BingoBoingo;op_null2: Multiple morals from that story 1372430;1452937093;op_null2;interesting. I thought it was a joke. seemed like he was giving himself bad odds 1372431;1452937103;cazalla;why didn't you bet then op_null2 ? 1372432;1452937126;op_null2;lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..." 1372433;1452937182;kingking190;cazalla, i have done the math and everything. but i just hope i am not wrong by some dumb luck 1372434;1452937187;op_null2;He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched 1372435;1452937238;cazalla;no-one is gonna use that op_null2 1372436;1452937239;kingking190;cazalla, plus the market could turn bad really fast one big market goes offline than Bang market drops ( well i will buy more but) still like shit! 1372437;1452937262;op_null2;He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol 1372438;1452937267;cazalla;kingking190, i tried that trading game in early 2013, didn't work out for me, much better approach has been to buy and just hold bitcoin 1372439;1452937294;cazalla;all these things mircea_popescu could've done, how about what you could've done op_null2 ? nothing at all eh? 1372440;1452937307;kingking190;ok well wifey says it bed time! 1372441;1452937309;kingking190;^_^ 1372442;1452937316;kingking190;you know what thet means YAY!!!!!! 1372443;1452937322;op_null2;cazalla: $9 million in Augur from thousands of users. They'll use it. 1372444;1452937349;op_null2;cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions 1372445;1452937356;cazalla;didn't augur scam the early investers anyway? changed it from investor to donations or something later on 1372446;1452937360;cazalla;kingking190, have fun 1372447;1452937376;op_null2;cazalla: no, its all accounted for 1372448;1452937394;cazalla;yeah, i bet it is 1372449;1452937498;deedbot-;[Qntra] Fiat Market Slide, fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Follow In Friday Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-market-slide-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-follow-in-friday-trading/ 1372450;1452937526;punkman;"The crowd is smart. Use its expertise to beat the experts with... Stunningly Accurate Predictions" topkek 1372451;1452937540;punkman;(augur's tagline) 1372452;1452937557;fluffypony;lol BingoBoingo 1372453;1452937657;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: How is Africa in Bitcoin doing? 1372454;1452937692;BingoBoingo;Or is it Bitdong in Africacoin 1372455;1452937710;fluffypony;we only trade in cattle here 1372456;1452937711;fluffypony;BitCattle 1372457;1452937762;BingoBoingo;ic 1372458;1452937792;BingoBoingo;Any urgent corrections I should make to latest qntra post before trying to sleep? 1372459;1452937859;punkman;"Augur hedged a significant portion of its holdings (13,500 BTC).  Via itBit, Augur sold at an average of US$227 per BTC with $10/coin borrowing cost, netting the Project $217 per BTC." geniuses 1372460;1452937984;op_null2;better than holding it and it drops in half -- like ethereum did 1372461;1452937992;op_null2;converting 50% to fiat is smart 1372462;1452938109;cazalla;i guess it's smart when it's not your own money 1372463;1452938142;punkman;they could have paid themselves in btc, wanted dollars instead 1372464;1452938233;cazalla;sounds like pokeman cards to me, augur investors handed over their money for some ultra rare pokemans 1372465;1452938257;cazalla;augur 2.0 must be in the works i'd imagine 1372466;1452938418;punkman;https://sale.augur.net/ hah, their money went to multisig adress controlled by their foundation, BitGo and Buterin 1372467;1452938419;assbot;Augur - Fund the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwC75 ) 1372468;1452938673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00049845 = 2.9917 BTC [+] {2} 1372469;1452938851;punkman;"sold all but 1,000 BTC and 100,000 ETH via over the counter (OTC) trades" "opened up a brokerage account to secure a portion of our funds in relatively secure, short term US Treasury bonds, to earn some return above bank rate interest" 1372470;1452938974;punkman;"Augur has also contributed $20,000 to an R&D project to transition the Ethereum network from a proof of work (POW) to a proof of stake (POS) system so it can operate at higher speeds, handle more transactions and thereby become more competitive" 1372471;1452938990;punkman;yeah 2nd crowdsale can't be far off 1372472;1452939100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36972 @ 0.00050692 = 18.7418 BTC [+] {4} 1372473;1452939161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12478 @ 0.00050772 = 6.3353 BTC [+] 1372474;1452939954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00050772 = 3.554 BTC [+] 1372475;1452942394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15329 @ 0.00050591 = 7.7551 BTC [-] {2} 1372476;1452942760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.0005059 = 8.4516 BTC [-] 1372477;1452943187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.00049295 = 7.8542 BTC [-] {2} 1372478;1452943248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049199 = 6.4451 BTC [-] {4} 1372479;1452943492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.00050674 = 6.5451 BTC [+] {2} 1372480;1452943797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0005102 = 6.1734 BTC [+] {2} 1372481;1452943816;cazalla;;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\ 1372482;1452943816;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1372483;1452943818;cazalla;night all 1372484;1452944554;copypaste;POS is the perfect name for what it is. Piece of shit. 1372485;1452944580;copypaste;It doesn't get more honest than that. 1372486;1452945200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050789 = 3.1235 BTC [-] 1372487;1452947518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00049311 = 3.649 BTC [-] 1372488;1452948555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00050311 = 2.6413 BTC [+] 1372489;1452949104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0005095 = 7.184 BTC [+] {2} 1372490;1452949154;PeterL;goodmorning 1372491;1452949897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5256 BTC [+] 1372492;1452951178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10295 @ 0.0005102 = 5.2525 BTC [-] {2} 1372493;1452951734;thestringpuller;good morning 1372494;1452951762;thestringpuller;someone just compared Hearnia to Batman/Bruce Wayne. As a batman true believer, I was hihgly insulted. 1372495;1452952154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12158 @ 0.00050211 = 6.1047 BTC [-] {4} 1372496;1452952260;PeterL;I don't get it, how could anybody compare them? 1372497;1452952400;thestringpuller;lemme find link 1372498;1452952425;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/416llc/mike_hearn_is_batman_xpost_rbitcoin_rbitcoinxt/ << trigger warning 1372499;1452952503;shinohai;No other Bitcoin subreddit makes my head hurt more than r/btc lately 1372500;1452952543;PeterL;Hearnia is an idiot, and whoever this apologist is, they are an even bigger idiot 1372501;1452952599;PeterL;I have never seen anything worthwhile on reddit, seems like a place for idiots to gather and waste time/energy 1372502;1452952636;shinohai;I don't even have account anymore, I just have it in my .rss feed 1372503;1452952907;mircea_popescu;shinohai i looked through that thing yest, went "hmm, reddit went very weird ?" then realised that it's not r/bitcoin, nor r/buttcoin nor r/bitcoinxt but YET ANOTHER subreddit. 1372504;1452952931;mircea_popescu;apparently the crazies can't really thrive together, need to splinter into smaller cjs. 1372505;1452952945;shinohai;I forgot to check if anyone reserved r/bitcoinclassic yet 1372506;1452952949;mircea_popescu;lol 1372507;1452952985;shinohai;yup, set to private. Gotta keep it locked while we make moar vaporware. 1372508;1452952990;mircea_popescu;it's gonna run out of names, end up like the neoprotestant "churches" in the us. "the true universal international church" and blabla. 1372509;1452953011;mircea_popescu;very american this process, "we forked xtianity" "oh yeah ? what did you add ?" "the name!" "do you know the faith ?" "wut ?" 1372510;1452953056;shinohai;^ Exactly like that 1372511;1452953098;mircea_popescu;there's at least nine thousand "denim-inations" the sum total of whose intellectual production adds up to half a tract of an obscure irish preacher from 1840. 1372512;1452953124;thestringpuller;drunk on whiskey in church and all! 1372513;1452953136;mircea_popescu;(the irish weren't exactly regarded as clever or scholarly in english at the time ; the english in turn didn't make much court at rome) 1372514;1452953146;PeterL;how about we just study the Gospel of Thomas and be nice to people? 1372515;1452953219;mircea_popescu;but what are you gonna call it! 1372516;1452953235;PeterL;why do we need to call it anything? 1372517;1452953263;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: well the toomims are calling your bluff, but Gavin in his recent article realizes the uphill struggle and just knows that "hey it's probably not going to work out but worth a shot", sometimes I wonder about that d00d. Eats glue but rather conscious of the actual situation. 1372518;1452953294;thestringpuller;"calling your bluff" as if it could be called that tho. 1372519;1452953304;thestringpuller;(for lack of better phrasing atm) 1372520;1452953313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5278 @ 0.00050049 = 2.6416 BTC [-] {2} 1372521;1452953321;mircea_popescu;well the difference between the two is that one has an extra peritoneal hole 1372522;1452953372;mircea_popescu;PeterL ianaeasnps, but i think technically the name'd be wesleyanism 1372523;1452953548;PeterL;"ianaeasnps" - i am not an expert at such namining protestant sects? 1372524;1452953560;mircea_popescu;not an expert in anglo saxon neo protestant sects 1372525;1452953571;PeterL;aha, I was close 1372526;1452953589;mircea_popescu;it's a category in patristics, sorta like you know, the weird corner of the library. the TRULY weird corner. 1372527;1452953636;mircea_popescu;most people resolve the problem by declaring that there's no paters past ~500ish ad and that's that. 1372528;1452953693;PeterL;I guess you could also say that nobodies don't get to name themselves 1372529;1452953740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.0005005 = 1.4224 BTC [+] 1372530;1452953769;mircea_popescu;it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king). 1372531;1452953788;mircea_popescu;but these are particularly confounded since the introduction of the printing press and the legal profession. 1372532;1452954005;thestringpuller;OMG. "The network is broken because it takes longer for payments to get confirmed. Who would wait 60 minutes or 14 hours for a payment?!?" Holy fuck-wits, people eat this shit up? Why are these people so stupid? :( 1372533;1452954011;mircea_popescu;(the idea that "everyone plays monopoly - lawyers are the people who read the inside of the cover of the box" is very much modern. take for instance Maurice Evans' well written response to temptation : http://trilema.com/2014/understanding-argentinas-coming-default-for-real-this-time/#selection-131.1-135.146 ) 1372534;1452954012;assbot;Understanding Argentina’s Coming Default, For Real This Time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SodZML ) 1372535;1452954320;mircea_popescu;omfg this log! 1372536;1452954427;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ? 1372537;1452954427;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt 1372538;1452954556;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then! 1372539;1452954556;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 05:52:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonn 1372540;1452954661;mircea_popescu;dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense. 1372541;1452954839;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying humbly to copy and f 1372542;1452954839;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 05:57:11; copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work 1372543;1452954839;mircea_popescu;ailing miserably at producing art through this process. 1372544;1452954855;mircea_popescu;compared to this, the ineffectual, ineffective and brief anglo tradition of "originality" is both forced and sad. 1372545;1452955061;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372018 << wasn't that "topace" or something ? 1372546;1452955061;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 06:18:23; pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT 1372547;1452955073;mircea_popescu;o nm. 1372548;1452955188;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372043 << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們!" 1372549;1452955188;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 06:50:35; BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money 1372550;1452955677;mircea_popescu;"OMG I just died laughing at this profile, stupidly hilarious! I'm so dead I'm writing this from the grave motherfucker. It's like Family Guy meets Frasier, BRAVO!" 1372551;1452955721;mircea_popescu;which were these, the derp who was supposedly married to patricia heaton and who's the other one ? 1372552;1452955775;thestringpuller;you've never seen family guy? 1372553;1452955793;mircea_popescu;i think so 1372554;1452955800;mircea_popescu;can't remember anything past the chick tho 1372555;1452955838;thestringpuller;it's just a rehash of the simpsons at this point just with more juvenile humor. 1372556;1452955875;mircea_popescu;uh 1372557;1452955888;mircea_popescu;wait, this is a cartoon ? 1372558;1452955910;mircea_popescu;oh fuck i was thinking of "everyone loves raymond" 1372559;1452955936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37143 @ 0.0005005 = 18.5901 BTC [+] 1372560;1452956112;thestringpuller;you've seen fraiser though (i assume) 1372561;1452956184;mircea_popescu;nope 1372562;1452956200;mircea_popescu; premiering on September 16, 1993 << heh, too late. 1372563;1452956211;mircea_popescu;The series was created as a spin-off of Cheers << ahahahaha omfg. 1372564;1452956216;mircea_popescu;cheers had A SPINOFF ?! 1372565;1452956238;thestringpuller;yea. lol "cheers but for smart people" is how i remember it being marketed 1372566;1452956260;thestringpuller;instead of a bar we hang out in coffee shops! 1372567;1452956438;mircea_popescu;well... the few sitcoms i knew came out in a brief one-two year interval around 1990. 1372568;1452956448;mircea_popescu;1987-1989, something like that. 1372569;1452956672;mircea_popescu;"Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him" yeah, it... happened. it happened ~with~. 1372570;1452956681;mircea_popescu;herp phenomenology i swear. 1372571;1452956794;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372146 << i guess it must be. or else it could be the ballas-diagnosed "challenge you to like me" sorta psychotic behaviour. 1372572;1452956794;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 07:49:28; pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty. 1372573;1452956799;mircea_popescu;where was that article... 1372574;1452956960;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/hm7JE#selection-473.0-483.98 1372575;1452956961;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Settle For The Man You Want ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUhDNQ ) 1372576;1452957039;mircea_popescu;i always thought that for someone who barely fucked, he had an extremely keen understanding of female fringe psychology. 1372577;1452957188;thestringpuller;how does fucking correlate to knowledge of female psychology if you don't mind? 1372578;1452957302;mircea_popescu;through the institution of talking. 1372579;1452957315;thestringpuller;can't you do that by just cuddling? 1372580;1452957319;mircea_popescu;recall that thread about how language is the explanation of the extremely slutty behaviour of humans as opposed to all other mammals ? 1372581;1452957351;mircea_popescu;well, you, in the sense of you know, single case, can, sure. but statistically speaking, correlations appear. 1372582;1452957411;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/2SB3SQA.txt 1372583;1452957412;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1372584;1452957443;thestringpuller;having trouble finding thread on slutty behavior 1372585;1452958010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.0005102 = 3.4893 BTC [+] {2} 1372586;1452958071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13761 @ 0.00051022 = 7.0211 BTC [+] {2} 1372587;1452958789;mircea_popescu;lemme see here 1372588;1452958840;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246517 1372589;1452958840;assbot;Logged on 21-08-2015 01:13:38; trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history 1372590;1452959349;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372220 << lmao guy makes one innocent comment, never lives to hear the end of it. 1372591;1452959349;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:17:23; BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more? 1372592;1452959733;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372269 << well that was fun. 1372593;1452959733;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:34:19; frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc 1372594;1452959771;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ? 1372595;1452959771;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:35:07; pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same 1372596;1452959779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0005066 = 5.2686 BTC [-] {3} 1372597;1452959808;thestringpuller;thanks for the thread link MP makes a lot of sense. 1372598;1452959937;mircea_popescu;he probably did a lot of talk therapy with nutty adolescent chicks or something. 1372599;1452960033;thestringpuller;so been reading about mises and rothbard and anarcho-capitalism. i think the "majority revolting" isn't revolting about an issue, but subconsciously rejecting the anarcho-capitalist nature of bitcoin. 1372600;1452960069;thestringpuller;people being told "they aren't equal" seems to strike a chord that brings up crazy emotion. 1372601;1452960108;thestringpuller;so you get people saying "blah blah conflict of interest" when in actuality I don't think conflict of interest can actually exist in bitcoin since it's all private sovereign entities voluntarily participating. 1372602;1452960162;mircea_popescu;eh, generally "the majority" just wants nothing to exist. 1372603;1452960165;mircea_popescu;easier that way. 1372604;1452960245;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372292 << i can lift any of the girls, and am happy with that. lbs, who needs 'em! 1372605;1452960245;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:44:15; *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight. 1372606;1452960289;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1372607;1452960290;gribble;754524848.626 1372608;1452960471;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dis bet.... 1372609;1452960471;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.5 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 3 weeks | weight: 85`002 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs ) 1372610;1452960490;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank 1372611;1452960610;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372320 << you know the progression of great tits in gamer teams ? 1372612;1452960610;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:55:54; cazalla: great tits though 1372613;1452960627;mircea_popescu;(starts off as cleric, healing everyone, progresses to girl under the table, sucking off everyone) 1372614;1452960694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00051023 = 16.8912 BTC [+] 1372615;1452960733;copypaste;mircea_popescu: all that has to happen is a fire in chinese mining farm ;) 1372616;1452960755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00049786 = 4.6057 BTC [-] {3} 1372617;1452960842;mircea_popescu;well, maybe not that. but the problem is purely economic : a quarter exahash is expensive as all fuck 1372618;1452960880;mircea_popescu;and, contrary to the sugarcoated version of reality "devs" like to present, it doesn't buy the owner all that much. 1372619;1452960886;mircea_popescu;in fact it buys them pretty much squat. 1372620;1452960934;mircea_popescu;course, it's impolitic to say this publicly, because hey, "we", ie the ploughing flies, absolutely LOVE to prop themselves on others' work, and so every derp pouring code into a black hole he calls github feels his own personal fortune increased for some reason every time a miner puts a rig online. 1372621;1452961099;mircea_popescu;in fact, we are at a crossroads - miner manufacturers have figured out at some point last year that cartelization is actually more productive in fiat terms for them than supplying the open market. by now they have the unmitigated cheek to publicly attempt to influence politics. imagine the outrage back in the day if BFL had dared to say what bitfury dares today. 1372622;1452961170;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372327 << pretty dumb idea yeah. 1372623;1452961170;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:57:43; punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz 1372624;1452961304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36710 @ 0.00049644 = 18.2243 BTC [-] 1372625;1452961323;copypaste;twitch isn't in the business of making money 1372626;1452961330;copypaste;that's why 1372627;1452961376;mircea_popescu;even so. the notion that girls should be dressed online is at best bizarre. 1372628;1452961383;mircea_popescu;what, it snows in your internet ? 1372629;1452961390;copypaste;indeed 1372630;1452961466;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372374 << "the community" of bitcoin-hating derps on social media ? 1372631;1452961466;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:15:18; op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ? 1372632;1452961575;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372394 <<< ahahaha swiss bankers and their fetish for other people's teeth. 1372633;1452961575;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:28:24; punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs 1372634;1452961606;adlai;when will freedom-hating derps learn that crashing properly leads to "sell, crash, ???, profit"? 1372635;1452961623;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372399 <<< bwahaha this is epic shit. 1372636;1452961623;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:29:15; punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs." 1372637;1452961632;mircea_popescu;the swiss pimpvernment!! 1372638;1452961696;mircea_popescu;so if i get a busload of nude ukrainian chicks in shitzerland and keep them chained to a basement wall "until they repay" bla bla, i'm basically being a confederate, just like all the rest of 'em. right ? 1372639;1452961824;copypaste;so long as you have a permit 1372640;1452961831;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372432 << https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ 1372641;1452961831;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:38:46; op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..." 1372642;1452961832;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg ) 1372643;1452961900;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/530/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-2500-th-s-before/ << remember two years ago ? :D 1372644;1452961900;assbot;BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February :: 0.31 B (82%) on Yes, 0.07 B (18%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8Y5JQ ) 1372645;1452961965;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372434 <<< yeah, right. how about you port your sexing to birds and goats. 1372646;1452961965;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:39:47; op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched 1372647;1452962010;copypaste;Jesus will be very popular when he comes back too 1372648;1452962015;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372437 << dude go back to cryptsy/glbse/whatever the fuck. 1372649;1452962015;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:41:02; op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol 1372650;1452962033;mircea_popescu;fucking derps already. "ima advise my father on how to fuck because totally, my pimples are my shiedl" 1372651;1452962058;mircea_popescu;"not like it's my job to conform my stupid head to the deeds of the greater men i perceive. i shall advise them instead!" 1372652;1452962062;mircea_popescu;is this shithead even in the wot ? 1372653;1452962092;thestringpuller;!gettrust !op_null2 1372654;1452962092;assbot;!op_null2 is not registered in WoT. 1372655;1452962093;mircea_popescu;!rate op_null2 -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here. 1372656;1452962093;assbot;op_null2 is not registered in WoT. 1372657;1452962097;mircea_popescu;mkay. 1372658;1452962133;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372444 lord have mercy. 1372659;1452962133;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 09:42:29; op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions 1372660;1452962165;thestringpuller;Everyone wants to be Marcus Lemonis without the portfolio to back it. 1372661;1452962228;thestringpuller;that's actually a good idea for television. when btc businesses start failing and coming to MP for help, film it, and profit. 1372662;1452962295;copypaste;hard to film an IRC log in a manner that would be entertaining to the average TV watcher 1372663;1452962314;copypaste;perhaps it would work with many dramatizations 1372664;1452962318;thestringpuller;you can dramatize it somehow. 1372665;1452962402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049472 = 4.9967 BTC [-] {5} 1372666;1452962933;thestringpuller;mod6: does bitcoin node stop when internet connection goes out? 1372667;1452962951;thestringpuller;i pulled the plug on router and the node just stopped. 1372668;1452962997;copypaste;depends what you mean by `stopped' 1372669;1452963003;copypaste;did it exit? 1372670;1452963199;thestringpuller;yea it exited when the connect failed 1372671;1452963210;thestringpuller;was expecting it to reconnect. 1372672;1452963214;mircea_popescu;op_null2_ (5f8fc663@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.143.198.99) aka http://www.evilbs.com/otc/?*~nulll123@*&*@static.7.11.9.176.clients.your-server.de* aka Dave Leimbrock 1372673;1452963219;mircea_popescu;fu, derp. 1372674;1452963240;mircea_popescu;go advise whoever the shit's too thick to read the logs, whydontcha. 1372675;1452963257;copypaste;thestringpuller: yeah that does seem odd to me, likely a bug. if it was running as a daemon, it shouldn't exit due to an unstable network, at least one would assume 1372676;1452963277;copypaste;i can't recall if i've ever experienced that with the node i run, but i don't think i have as i run it on a quite unstable network 1372677;1452963290;thestringpuller;i was running it with & (backgrond mode) 1372678;1452963328;copypaste;i use http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz btw. 1372679;1452963329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv ) 1372680;1452963352;thestringpuller;yea me too 99997k 1372681;1452963374;thestringpuller;Just wanna get the thing synched and run the version patch and banhammer 1372682;1452963447;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371272 practice has shown the porsche cayenne (ie. not even a pickup truck) has no problem to tear off and haul away an ATM. 1372683;1452963447;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 16:19:27; mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ? 1372684;1452963500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00051022 = 1.7705 BTC [+] {2} 1372685;1452963523;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust s3gfault 1372686;1452963524;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user s3gfault: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=s3gfault | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=s3gfault | Rated since: never 1372687;1452963549;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu 1372688;1452963550;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 1372689;1452963598;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5ff2755a151d288a9c52727e4d0ce3f0a0646d8d7a23f484fb359c07 1372690;1452963598;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 1372691;1452963605;mircea_popescu;;;rate s3gfault -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here. 1372692;1452963605;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 1372693;1452963632;mircea_popescu;mmm. 1372694;1452963704;copypaste;What do we all think of https://i.imgur.com/dkbrjPx.gif ? 1372695;1452963705;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1n93NeF ) 1372696;1452963736;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372481 << thanks. 1372697;1452963736;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 11:30:16; cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :\ 1372698;1452963744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00051023 = 4.1543 BTC [+] 1372699;1452963780;mircea_popescu;copypaste we think that voting is a proved-to-work mechanism, in bitcoin. 1372700;1452963814;mircea_popescu;for anyone that doesn't wish to remember that the march fork was healed over mp saying noncontroversial and wishes to see what happens once mp doesn't say that... proceeding on a "vote" is the smartest move possible. 1372701;1452963820;mircea_popescu;after all the point of life on earth is to find out things. 1372702;1452963847;copypaste;:) 1372703;1452964049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.0005046 = 7.8067 BTC [-] {2} 1372704;1452964083;mircea_popescu;the very notion, you know, "we support a code bundle that's not written yet". 1372705;1452964090;mircea_popescu;im sure if you ask these fuckwits they "support" windows. 1372706;1452964094;mircea_popescu;what the fuck does that even mean ? 1372707;1452964130;copypaste;well, now that you put it that way, next to nothing. 1372708;1452964145;mircea_popescu;but hey, for a generation of worthless retards that's in love with a woman they've never met and will live or die depending on whether santa/thegovernment/isis paradrops them food & other supplies as needed... it makes perfect sense. 1372709;1452964170;mircea_popescu;i'm in favour of the imperial house of jormania. hurr durr. 1372710;1452964184;copypaste;i support la serenissima 1372711;1452964226;mircea_popescu;(Ioan Petru Culianu reference, for the curious) 1372712;1452964254;kakobrekla;https://twitter.com/ThePracticalDev/status/687672086152753152 1372713;1452964293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050474 = 6.8645 BTC [+] {3} 1372714;1452964572;mircea_popescu;20 is a middling amount of test number. 1372715;1452964632;mircea_popescu;"For all the ways the manufactured crisis around the ClassicCoin hard fork push is made to seem more polished than the XTCoin manufactured crisis, the results of the effort somehow seem still more underwhelming." << word. ten times the effort, a tenth of the result. 1372716;1452964647;mircea_popescu;apparently mining difficulty is not the only thing that went up over the years. submination difficulty also follows. 1372717;1452964785;mats;http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk lol 1372718;1452964786;assbot;What happened with my Security BSides talk | VIOLET BLUE ... ( http://bit.ly/1n95AAe ) 1372719;1452964800;mircea_popescu;but i gotta say that's a splendeed piece BingoBoingo 1372720;1452964817;mats;tl;dr presenter with nothing to do re: security, presents at BSides 1372721;1452964849;mircea_popescu;show to be rebranded as "OhMySides", to move on F! tv ? 1372722;1452964879;mats;“Well, there’s been a complaint about your talk.” He continued, “It’s from someone who is a rape survivor and they said they will be triggered by your talk if there’s any rape in it.” 1372723;1452964919;mats;so 'triggered' is a thing now 1372724;1452964967;mircea_popescu;you know, this may actually make a pretty decent show. 1372725;1452964987;mircea_popescu;tie a buncha "rape survivors" etc in a chair and trigger the shit out of them. 1372726;1452965000;mircea_popescu;sort-of like those rollercoaster ride pictures 1372727;1452965019;mircea_popescu;trigger-porn.tumblr.com 1372728;1452965053;mircea_popescu;seems a legitimate enough fetish. "honey... i can only get it up to the sweet music of bitchez gettin' triggered" 1372729;1452965129;mats;if you produce i'll watch it 1372730;1452965147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050402 = 4.7882 BTC [-] {2} 1372731;1452965233;mircea_popescu;maybe if twitch produces it. the name seems well fit. 1372732;1452965264;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372664 lol sexy saffron to rescue! 1372733;1452965264;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 16:38:38; thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow. 1372734;1452965264;mircea_popescu;"It had been decided months ago that I would give a talk at Security BSides San Francisco. The subject of my talk was up in the air until just before the conference started" 1372735;1452965270;mircea_popescu;see ? same principle. 1372736;1452965324;mircea_popescu;how the fuck this isn't the end of that whole bsides thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly their plain and open intellectual surrender. 1372737;1452965346;mircea_popescu;"and the organizers were okay with that, but to not inconvenience or surprise the organizers, I decided to present the same talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012." 1372738;1452965350;mircea_popescu;fancy that logic. 1372739;1452965431;mircea_popescu;"Each BSides is a community-driven framework for building events for and by information security community members." 1372740;1452965434;mircea_popescu;no, it ain't. 1372741;1452966123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00051047 = 4.7474 BTC [+] {4} 1372742;1452967227;mod6;<+thestringpuller> yea it exited when the connect failed << would someone like to test this & log their results so we can put this one to bed? basically should be able to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`, then a `./bitcoind stop`, then the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again to see whats happening - perhaps even a tail of the last 100 lines of the debug log... 1372743;1452967301;mod6;so, start up bitcoin, to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig down`, then see 1372744;1452967315;mod6;to bring the interface back up `ifconfig up` 1372745;1452967591;phf;apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc. 1372746;1452967749;ben_vulpes;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0030 << phf, you can specify patches for lxr thusly 1372747;1452967752;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M ) 1372748;1452967773;phf;aah, thanks 1372749;1452967802;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: for the gentoo novice, what are the major de-poetteringizing flags to be aware of and set? 1372750;1452967991;ben_vulpes;!up noobsRus 1372751;1452968008;ben_vulpes;"because the city decided that on-street auto parking directly in front of the stores was more important than all-ages bike access to the future of those districts." << heh, andersen with the subtle shiv 1372752;1452968117;noobsRus;hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like to say thanks to all for bringing some clarity to the bigblocksforking nonsense that started last year 1372753;1452968139;ben_vulpes;welcome noobsRus, no thanks necessary 1372754;1452968164;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ? << hey, thanks for taking a look! 1372755;1452968164;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt 1372756;1452968180;mircea_popescu;!up noobsRus 1372757;1452968182;ben_vulpes;regardless of what the merchants want, tight on-street parking is both the prime indicator that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do they know, they've forgotten the import of "foot traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is the utter best way to get more people trafficing past your dumb shop. 1372758;1452968219;noobsRus;i appreciate the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist 1372759;1452968230;ben_vulpes;who are you though 1372760;1452968237;ben_vulpes;!gettrust noobsRus 1372761;1452968237;assbot;noobsRus is not registered in WoT. 1372762;1452968256;ben_vulpes;lotta new faces this past week. 1372763;1452968265;mod6;<+punkman> for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files << the one that i've been looking at is this one: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227 1372764;1452968267;assbot;Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu ) 1372765;1452968269;assbot;bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi ) 1372766;1452968308;mod6;i basically dropped that code into the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at that atm... 1372767;1452968371;phf;ben_vulpes: portland seems to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised that this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering 1372768;1452968380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3203 @ 0.00050402 = 1.6144 BTC [-] {2} 1372769;1452968412;mircea_popescu;http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log. 1372770;1452968414;assbot;BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit | Dell SecureWorks ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxV5No ) 1372771;1452968417;mod6;looks like BIP 66 diffs reflect a bunch of der sig checking 1372772;1452968441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00050255 = 1.7072 BTC [-] {2} 1372773;1452968500;noobsRus;a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i think) the gravity of the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting 1372774;1452968528;noobsRus;yes, i will look into the WoT too, once i figure out how to pgp correctly 1372775;1452968533;noobsRus;or is it gpg 1372776;1452968535;noobsRus;see, noob 1372777;1452968555;mircea_popescu;oh i see. 1372778;1452968605;noobsRus;anyways... i have one question at the moment that perhaps someone can answer 1372779;1452968619;ben_vulpes;phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration. the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given that a car takes up > 8 m^2 of space for typically one user, and this imposes a hard upper bound on a) the number of cars in a space and b) the number of people you can cram into a space. 1372780;1452968632;noobsRus;is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.? 1372781;1452968633;copypaste;gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable. 1372782;1452968650;ben_vulpes;noobsRus: nobody gices a fuck about r/t/hn 1372783;1452968650;copypaste;those sites have no value, so there is no value in doing anything with them. 1372784;1452968665;noobsRus;that's a relief then 1372785;1452968721;mircea_popescu;noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means. 1372786;1452968742;mircea_popescu;few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive. 1372787;1452968755;jurov;community-driven framework for collecting quotes (aka bash) updated. 1372788;1452968767;ben_vulpes;phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand. 1372789;1452968769;mircea_popescu;did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ? 1372790;1452968794;jurov;i did not see any quotes in the air 1372791;1452968807;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town. 1372792;1452968833;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ofc 1372793;1452968862;ben_vulpes;nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want. 1372794;1452968885;mircea_popescu;damned hipsters and their gentrifying ways... 1372795;1452968893;copypaste;quiznos? what a terrible franchise 1372796;1452968898;copypaste;definitely the worst in murrika 1372797;1452968909;noobsRus;thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself 1372798;1452968923;ben_vulpes;parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways. 1372799;1452968946;copypaste;"brg44" is not in my WoT. 1372800;1452968949;ben_vulpes;but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking. 1372801;1452968955;noobsRus;it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse 1372802;1452968972;ben_vulpes;noobsRus: NOBODY CARES 1372803;1452968973;mircea_popescu;noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline". 1372804;1452968988;copypaste;noobsRus: please shut up, no one cares about your internet wars on reddit or whatever 1372805;1452968989;mircea_popescu;that's nice, but really 1372806;1452968990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00051072 = 5.1583 BTC [+] {2} 1372807;1452968991;copypaste;nothing done there matters 1372808;1452969078;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you realise that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had to go by bike ? 1372809;1452969109;ben_vulpes;this particular thread is old yes 1372810;1452969142;ben_vulpes;your oddball habits don't really bear on cascadian city planning problems. 1372811;1452969144;mircea_popescu;of course...i suppose if it comes to it i could just ride. 1372812;1452969147;ben_vulpes;no dirigible parking anyways. 1372813;1452969164;ben_vulpes;call a car, it's what i do 1372814;1452969167;mircea_popescu;i would guess stables and all that takes just about as much space as parking does. 1372815;1452969171;mircea_popescu;no i meant a horse. 1372816;1452969172;ben_vulpes;i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure. 1372817;1452969185;ben_vulpes;sure, nobody'd blink. 1372818;1452969197;mircea_popescu;what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there 1372819;1452969204;noobsRus;copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now 1372820;1452969209;ben_vulpes;it's going to end up that way, mircea_popescu. 1372821;1452969215;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1372822;1452969225;mircea_popescu;grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock. 1372823;1452969234;ben_vulpes;no more megabuxx for interstate 1372824;1452969247;copypaste;noobsRus: required reading https://archive.is/http://trilema.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/ 1372825;1452969248;assbot;http://trilema.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/: Here's who doesn't belong in Bitcoin : you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxVXSi ) 1372826;1452969248;mircea_popescu;sure. roads have throughout the history of states been the largest expense. 1372827;1452969251;mircea_popescu;horse still needs roads. 1372828;1452969266;mircea_popescu;copypaste dude whay the haet! 1372829;1452969267;copypaste;oh, he left already. goodbye. 1372830;1452969282;ben_vulpes;no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes 1372831;1452969309;*;ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and trams 1372832;1452969319;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372530 << the Bible is all about God causing His people to scatter; Christ wondered aloud if any would still believe when He returns 1372833;1452969319;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king). 1372834;1452969326;ben_vulpes;heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate 1372835;1452969330;mircea_popescu;aha. 1372836;1452969338;copypaste;mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way 1372837;1452969348;mircea_popescu;i guess there's that. 1372838;1452969351;copypaste;some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that 1372839;1452969356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00050255 = 6.4553 BTC [-] {2} 1372840;1452969360;copypaste;is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense 1372841;1452969370;ben_vulpes;after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it. 1372842;1452969399;mircea_popescu;lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D 1372843;1452969411;ben_vulpes;just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere. 1372844;1452969429;mircea_popescu;earlier was pretty brutal lol. 1372845;1452969448;ben_vulpes;ive nfi what bb and pete were thinking 1372846;1452969478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050255 = 7.5383 BTC [-] 1372847;1452969497;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, is it more difficult to malleate to low-s from high-s? 1372848;1452969502;mircea_popescu;nope 1372849;1452969514;adlai;copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree 1372850;1452969542;ben_vulpes;so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction. 1372851;1452969570;mircea_popescu;because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ? 1372852;1452969579;*;adlai is not in favor of moronic voicings, villages have room for many idiots but courts need precious few jesters 1372853;1452969579;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat anyway 1372854;1452969622;thestringpuller;adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit. 1372855;1452969636;mircea_popescu;"What Im doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on to bigger and better things soon." 1372856;1452969652;mircea_popescu;in case you were wondering what that is - probably reddit. 1372857;1452969659;copypaste;OKCupid i figure 1372858;1452969667;mircea_popescu;the "bigger and better" part i meant. 1372859;1452969670;ben_vulpes;https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/14/u-s-navys-new-fast-transport-ships-cant-stand-buffeting-from-high-seas/ << heh 1372860;1452969672;assbot;U.S. Navy’s New Fast Transport Ships Can’t Stand Buffeting From High Seas - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRcGDr ) 1372861;1452969688;mircea_popescu;won't the humiliations ever cease! 1372862;1452969689;BingoBoingo; ... << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們!" << Just because it wins doesn't mean it can't still earn a chuckle. 1372863;1452969691;thestringpuller;mod6: one second 1372864;1452969719;adlai;thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright 1372865;1452969770;thestringpuller;adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal. 1372866;1452969821;adlai;all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure 1372867;1452969838;mircea_popescu;something to do with eth ? 1372868;1452969841;thestringpuller;ethereum scammers herp derp 1372869;1452969846;thestringpuller;hmm 1372870;1452969852;copypaste;yes, i got that too adlai 1372871;1452969882;copypaste;"bitcoin is doomed to fail due to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of that nature. 1372872;1452969932;*;adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?) 1372873;1452969947;*;fluffypony has been pinged 1372874;1452969951;mircea_popescu;lol 1372875;1452969952;adlai;at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage 1372876;1452969966;fluffypony;adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages 1372877;1452969974;fluffypony;frikkin annoying 1372878;1452969993;jurov;!s monero fork 1372879;1452969993;assbot;4 results for 'monero fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero+fork 1372880;1452970009;jurov;not quite a implementation plurality 1372881;1452970025;jurov;*an 1372882;1452970027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051073 = 6.8438 BTC [+] 1372883;1452970049;adlai;fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain? 1372884;1452970067;fluffypony;adlai: we'll probably move to annual later on, but yes 1372885;1452970067;mircea_popescu;sure. the first year, two 1372886;1452970071;copypaste;what happens if you just do nothing? you lost all your moneroj? 1372887;1452970071;mircea_popescu;the next year, four. 1372888;1452970072;mircea_popescu;and so on\ 1372889;1452970092;fluffypony;copypaste: how would that work 1372890;1452970099;copypaste;i don't know, i'm asking you 1372891;1452970111;fluffypony;that's physically impossible 1372892;1452970116;fluffypony;or improbable 1372893;1452970126;adlai;fluffypony: might want to discuss this amongst yourselves... being promoted to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation 1372894;1452970138;mircea_popescu;more properly put : what happens if someone actually takes monero seriously, and decides to disallow your future forks. 1372895;1452970154;mircea_popescu;people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack. 1372896;1452970162;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_shmoocon 1372897;1452970164;*;adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail 1372898;1452970182;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings" 1372899;1452970188;mircea_popescu;quite. 1372900;1452970197;adlai;"hard fork whenever we feel like it, forever" = unready for capital-B-ization 1372901;1452970200;mircea_popescu;and so if somehow monero became the one, it would simply be the one. 1372902;1452970202;mats;i had a chance to scoop a shmoocon ticket 1372903;1452970203;mircea_popescu;because there can only be one. 1372904;1452970206;phf;ascii_shmoocon: oh god damn, i missed it again. 1372905;1452970214;*;fluffypony tries to find the Highlander theme song 1372906;1452970219;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun. 1372907;1452970245;ascii_shmoocon;lulzy cryptocrackpottery talk 1372908;1452970249;mircea_popescu;anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev. 1372909;1452970259;ascii_shmoocon;'algebraic eraser' 1372910;1452970296;mircea_popescu;so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers. 1372911;1452970303;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon any hot chicks ? 1372912;1452970305;adlai;ascii_shmoocon: hey now, you yourself said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-12-2015#1357489 1372913;1452970305;assbot;Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai: this thread is good sober adlai 1372914;1452970306;ascii_shmoocon;$firm bought me a ticket, so i pinched nose & went 1372915;1452970337;fluffypony;let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along 1372916;1452970339;ascii_shmoocon;mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik 1372917;1452970376;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's. 1372918;1452970378;adlai;given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much" 1372919;1452970379;phf;anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past that point? 1372920;1452970385;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon you gotta be kidding me ?! 1372921;1452970397;ascii_shmoocon;holy shit everything mircea ever said was true 1372922;1452970407;mats;lol 1372923;1452970408;mircea_popescu;who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion. 1372924;1452970432;ascii_shmoocon;I've never seen so many lamerz in one place 1372925;1452970435;fluffypony;http://geekologie.com/2016/01/only-five-filipino-man-sets-new-record-f.php 1372926;1452970436;assbot;Only Five?!: Filipino Man Sets New Record For Most Candles Extinguished With Farts | Geekologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRdvw5 ) 1372927;1452970442;copypaste;fluffypony: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ 1372928;1452970443;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 ) 1372929;1452970447;copypaste;as mircea told you, there can only be one 1372930;1452970459;mats;hard charger, this guy 1372931;1452970463;mircea_popescu;isn't he. 1372932;1452970464;ascii_shmoocon;and usg recruiting tables, dozens 1372933;1452970473;mircea_popescu;any hot chicks there ? 1372934;1452970488;ascii_shmoocon;few 1372935;1452970494;fluffypony;copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that 1372936;1452970521;ascii_shmoocon;and maybe 1 in 30 attendees ever menstruated 1372937;1452970528;mats;lol 1372938;1452970532;mircea_popescu;in fairness fluffypony always drove it as a research interest. 1372939;1452970542;mats;the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling 1372940;1452970547;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon mention of menstruation triggers me. 1372941;1452970562;fluffypony;#TRIGGERWARNING 1372942;1452970563;fluffypony;:-P 1372943;1452970578;ascii_shmoocon;folks are drrrinkin' whisky 1372944;1452970586;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should confess i read "nigger tagging" and did a doubletake 1372945;1452970625;thestringpuller;fluffypony: is too african to be racist. 1372946;1452970634;phf;ben_vulpes: what i meant is that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland? 1372947;1452970644;fluffypony;thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist 1372948;1452970822;thestringpuller;http://shmoocon.org/speakers/#titansattack << lol you can hack big data now? 1372949;1452970833;mod6;pwnd 1372950;1452970911;mircea_popescu;phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets. 1372951;1452970924;mircea_popescu;because obviously everyone must at the same time. 1372952;1452970967;mod6;when i drive, i sound like i have tourettes im sure. 1372953;1452970972;mircea_popescu;lol 1372954;1452970991;mircea_popescu;you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly. 1372955;1452971125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7357 @ 0.00050978 = 3.7505 BTC [-] 1372956;1452972076;jurov;roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection. this can't be coincidence!" 1372957;1452972083;mircea_popescu;haha 1372958;1452972115;mircea_popescu;un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis. 1372959;1452972140;mircea_popescu;(saliva is a digestive juice. you can end up with a pretty miserably upset skin.) 1372960;1452972528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051122 = 1.1247 BTC [+] {2} 1372961;1452972676;ben_vulpes;phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them 1372962;1452972690;ben_vulpes;cars are an insane deployment of capital and parking an insane deployment of re 1372963;1452972779;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/15BH3ES.txt 1372964;1452972779;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1372965;1452972782;mircea_popescu;cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them. 1372966;1452972794;mircea_popescu;make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well. 1372967;1452973022;jurov;cars won't be made at all 1372968;1452973093;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1372969;1452973123;jurov;yes i do 1372970;1452973138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00051135 = 1.2272 BTC [+] {2} 1372971;1452973164;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 1372972;1452973289;jurov;how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary? 1372973;1452973301;punkman;small car-factory is not that expensive, it's not cpu fab 1372974;1452973308;jurov;it would struck them as deeply uneconomical and they'd just revert to horses 1372975;1452973340;jurov;punkman: because raw materials are mass mined and manufactured 1372976;1452973369;mircea_popescu;what's size got to do with anything ? 1372977;1452973384;mircea_popescu;the original buyers of cars weren't the 150mn derps, but the 15k people with means. 1372978;1452973420;jurov;would they want to split the fixed costs? 1372979;1452973431;mircea_popescu;this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out. 1372980;1452973489;mircea_popescu;and that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120 to 12k a year instead" 1372981;1452973518;jurov;no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible 1372982;1452973524;mircea_popescu;not so. 1372983;1452973536;mircea_popescu;headcount only matters in socialism. 1372984;1452973551;jurov;you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item. 1372985;1452973554;mircea_popescu;stop making the chumps have money they can't earn, problem goes awaqy 1372986;1452973560;mircea_popescu;bullshit. 1372987;1452973581;jurov;why babbage machine was not doen then? 1372988;1452973585;mircea_popescu;in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood. 1372989;1452973621;jurov;irrelevent 1372990;1452973625;jurov;*irrelevant 1372991;1452973643;jurov;so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how? 1372992;1452973647;mircea_popescu;so they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh to buy the same weight in poor mill girls, 1372993;1452973652;mircea_popescu;but they won't pay it for a car because... reasons. 1372994;1452973745;jurov;the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later 1372995;1452973750;mircea_popescu;heck, maybe they won't. in which case they prolly have a good reason. 1372996;1452973757;mircea_popescu;hah this is exactly not how it works. 1372997;1452973781;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs. 1372998;1452973811;jurov;i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other 1372999;1452973820;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1373000;1452973830;mircea_popescu;no explicitly shared priors. what do we agree on ? 1373001;1452973832;jurov;you think that fixed engineering costs for new technology does not exist or what? 1373002;1452973859;jurov;moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves? 1373003;1452973869;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1373004;1452973882;mircea_popescu;or moreover : what do you think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ? 1373005;1452973890;shinohai;https://twitter.com/hashbreaker/status/683653768358019072 "I like tor for all mah regular web browsing" 1373006;1452973950;mircea_popescu;the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position. 1373007;1452973956;jurov;structural difference is that it's marginally easier to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn than 15k. 1373008;1452974002;mircea_popescu;not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays those fixed costs ? 1373009;1452974033;mircea_popescu;let's not voice him :D 1373010;1452974066;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_shmoocon 1373011;1452974066;jurov;you do. and you don't want to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k? 1373012;1452974071;mircea_popescu;that'll be 15k alfie! 1373013;1452974089;ascii_shmoocon;l0lwut 1373014;1452974091;mircea_popescu;jurov uh hardly, i don';t. he does. like newton did. 1373015;1452974123;mircea_popescu;and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good. 1373016;1452974138;mircea_popescu;guess whether the 15k or the 15mn model promotes this view. 1373017;1452974200;ascii_shmoocon;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372997 << if not for 100 years of chump, we'd have to make it all from horse 1373018;1452974200;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs. 1373019;1452974215;mircea_popescu;like hell. 1373020;1452974224;ascii_shmoocon;semiconductor is inherently mass 1373021;1452974230;mircea_popescu;the only thing the FIFTY years of chump did was take a shit on everything else. 1373022;1452974243;mircea_popescu;some fields somewhat survived a decade or so after world chumpification. 1373023;1452974244;ascii_shmoocon;wish it weren't so 1373024;1452974257;mircea_popescu;nothing "inherent" exists in this world. 1373025;1452974278;mircea_popescu;and note that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view. 1373026;1452974303;mircea_popescu;nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails. 1373027;1452974310;jurov;eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself 1373028;1452974323;mircea_popescu;note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10 1373029;1452974337;mircea_popescu;jurov no, the shitheads now on reddit, soon to make 10 cents an hour will do it. 1373030;1452974398;jurov;hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process? 1373031;1452974418;jurov;in cleanroom with hf? 1373032;1452974433;mircea_popescu;have some faith in humanity. 1373033;1452974464;mircea_popescu;but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter. 1373034;1452974471;jurov;ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem 1373035;1452974480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00051145 = 3.6569 BTC [+] {2} 1373036;1452974512;jurov;1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well 1373037;1452974527;mircea_popescu;so good for them, pay them well. 1373038;1452974533;phf;i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption 1373039;1452974605;ben_vulpes;those were hdds 1373040;1452974626;mircea_popescu;i dunno, random "washing silicone" reference for no discernible reason. 1373041;1452974628;ben_vulpes;aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. 1373042;1452974634;mircea_popescu;as if that's what decides things or w/e. 1373043;1452974685;jurov;yes. mircea decides that washing silicon or eulora art ought to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges 1373044;1452974713;mircea_popescu;quite. 1373045;1452974735;mircea_popescu;how DID you think price formation works ? 1373046;1452974785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17181 @ 0.00051094 = 8.7785 BTC [-] 1373047;1452974787;mircea_popescu;"oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then". 1373048;1452974807;jurov;i see, all my previous notions of price formation are now worthless anyway 1373049;1452974892;mircea_popescu;for my curiosity, how much do you figure that chick was worth ? 1373050;1452974899;mircea_popescu;the one valuing her ugly ass at $5`000.00 1373051;1452974945;jurov;you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more than 0.1/hr 1373052;1452974984;mircea_popescu;a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions. 1373053;1452975040;mircea_popescu;when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok. 1373054;1452975058;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_shmoocon 1373055;1452975070;jurov;okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means? 1373056;1452975089;mircea_popescu;the 15k don't currently exist. 1373057;1452975109;mircea_popescu;review the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as to "the low tax". 1373058;1452975127;mircea_popescu;currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem. 1373059;1452975136;mircea_popescu;it must be flattened, is what i said before. 1373060;1452975152;ascii_shmoocon;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373047 << as it is, just ~my~ tax blood supports 3-4 of'em 1373061;1452975152;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then". 1373062;1452975158;mircea_popescu;and the path to flattening it is ruining the "wealthy" and trampling the "people". 1373063;1452975195;mircea_popescu;the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story. 1373064;1452975217;mircea_popescu;humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half. 1373065;1452975252;jurov;but then the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects 1373066;1452975258;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest. 1373067;1452975301;mircea_popescu;instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did, 1373068;1452975312;mircea_popescu;you get something closer to a linear distribution. 1373069;1452975321;ascii_shmoocon;and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k... 1373070;1452975327;mircea_popescu;where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc 1373071;1452975344;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything. 1373072;1452975358;mircea_popescu;they're ~= to the french "nobles" at versailles. circus act. 1373073;1452975383;mircea_popescu;replace the courtiers with march lords ftw. 1373074;1452975387;ascii_shmoocon;what, exactly, can't they do ? 1373075;1452975399;mircea_popescu;wire ten dollars to isis. 1373076;1452975408;mircea_popescu;arrest a judge. 1373077;1452975420;mircea_popescu;say "nigger". 1373078;1452975421;jurov;and how do you propose to have 15k independently wealthy? dependency is better strategy 1373079;1452975423;ascii_shmoocon;ted turner could 1373080;1452975430;mircea_popescu;jurov dependency is a miserable strategy. 1373081;1452975445;jurov;says owner of most of our bitcoins 1373082;1452975461;ascii_shmoocon;l0lz 1373083;1452975462;mircea_popescu;how teh f do you depend on me ?! 1373084;1452975484;mircea_popescu;for one thing, i've been spending so much effort trying to prevent exactly that sort of thing it's nigh on taxing friendship. 1373085;1452975485;jurov;i have stash locked in S.NSA 1373086;1452975491;jurov;for example 1373087;1452975499;mircea_popescu;how's that make me the owner ?! 1373088;1452975517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00051094 = 1.4649 BTC [-] 1373089;1452975517;jurov;can i haz it tomorrow? 1373090;1452975525;jurov;there are not enough bids 1373091;1452975532;mircea_popescu;for one thing i'm a fucking minority partner in that venture! 1373092;1452975549;jurov;who has the coins then? 1373093;1452975558;jurov;the private keys? 1373094;1452975566;mircea_popescu;in that sense i suppose. 1373095;1452975577;jurov;hence, dependency 1373096;1452975601;mircea_popescu;i dun see it, honestly, but hey. 1373097;1452975611;ascii_shmoocon;fact is, decentralization is a fantasy 1373098;1452975622;mircea_popescu;psshhhh 1373099;1452975643;mircea_popescu;next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ? 1373100;1452975645;ascii_shmoocon;every single one of us is on a cpu made in 1 of 3 places. 1373101;1452975668;mircea_popescu;this "made" bs. every woman i eve rfucked was made by a woman i wouldn't have fucked. 1373102;1452975673;mircea_popescu;what of it ? i still own them. 1373103;1452975676;mircea_popescu;and use them happily. 1373104;1452975705;ascii_shmoocon;not how cpu works, woman rules do not apply. 1373105;1452975709;mircea_popescu;phhh. 1373106;1452975712;mircea_popescu;!s cunt perl 1373107;1452975712;assbot;3 results for 'cunt perl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cunt+perl 1373108;1452975741;ascii_shmoocon;another legendarily terrible example 1373109;1452975748;mircea_popescu;the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11 1373110;1452975806;ascii_shmoocon;didja ever read yossi kreinin's piece 'computers you can't program ' ? 1373111;1452975816;ascii_shmoocon;related. 1373112;1452975822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17373 @ 0.00051426 = 8.9342 BTC [+] {6} 1373113;1452975833;mircea_popescu;perhaps not. 1373114;1452975909;mircea_popescu;jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ? 1373115;1452975944;mircea_popescu;;;google yosefk.com "computers you can't program" 1373116;1452975944;gribble;Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50?: ; The "high-level CPU" challenge - Yossi Kreinin: ; Why programming isn't for everyone - Yossi Kreinin: jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee. 1373317;1452980007;ben_vulpes;o tru 1373318;1452980385;jurov;i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment 1373319;1452980421;mod6;Thank you for your services and contribution, Sir. 1373320;1452980432;jurov;You're welcome, Sir. 1373321;1452980433;mod6;*contributions! even. 1373322;1452980452;ben_vulpes;i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov. 1373323;1452980469;jurov;there are expected expenses? 1373324;1452980471;ben_vulpes;even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations? 1373325;1452980481;jurov;yes, np 1373326;1452980493;mod6;oh, fair point Mr. Vulpes. 1373327;1452980566;mod6;in other news, this is annoying: 1373328;1452980569;mod6;emerge sys-devel/gdb 1373329;1452980577;mod6;... bunch of can not find ur thing ... 1373330;1452980590;mod6;>>> Failed to emerge sys-devel/gdb-7.7.1 1373331;1452980596;ben_vulpes;logz plz 1373332;1452980610;ben_vulpes;(and ty, jurov) 1373333;1452980641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00051542 = 3.7626 BTC [+] {2} 1373334;1452980677;mod6;maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago. 1373335;1452980687;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0AG649P.txt 1373336;1452980688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wihsf2 ) 1373337;1452980725;mod6;running a `emerge --sync` now. 1373338;1452980758;deedbot-;[Qntra] Desperate Ether Huffers Turn To Spam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/desperate-ether-huffers-turn-to-spam/ 1373339;1452980789;mod6;get your rags ready 1373340;1452980836;BingoBoingo;lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend. 1373341;1452980847;mod6;hey cool, its building gdb now :} 1373342;1452980964;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper. 1373343;1452980965;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1373344;1452981008;mod6;to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D 1373345;1452981031;punkman;ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand. 1373346;1452981051;mod6;checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1': 1373347;1452981054;mod6;configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. 1373348;1452981057;mod6;wtf 1373349;1452981258;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/9aUNNcz.png 1373350;1452981259;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRs5DB ) 1373351;1452981259;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1373352;1452981306;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Bees on strike 1373353;1452981483;mod6;my eyes 1373354;1452981488;shinohai;!rate thestringpuller 1 Great Qntra submissions of late 1373355;1452981488;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a253b0cd1e7a868c 1373356;1452981533;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.thestringpuller.1:6027de42db3a1f9df93b8c0f6080e300c2d469e6923d1ec6cb5746c297a13df4 1373357;1452981533;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for thestringpuller with note: Great Qntra submissions of late 1373358;1452981596;BingoBoingo;No wonder Ver's news site is going off they rails. They've got self declared Hegelians https://archive.is/70Zz9 1373359;1452981597;assbot;2016 Could Be Bitcoin's Year If We Help It - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsjL0 ) 1373360;1452981754;mod6;does anyone know how to fix this in gentoo? http://dpaste.com/0XVYZE6.txt ? 1373361;1452981755;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsqpT ) 1373362;1452981763;fluffypony;nobody knows 1373363;1452981764;fluffypony;nobody 1373364;1452981766;fluffypony;you're on your own 1373365;1452981770;fluffypony;godspeed, and good luck 1373366;1452981774;mod6;hahah 1373367;1452981879;BingoBoingo;;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy? 1373368;1452981879;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1373369;1452981974;guruvan;mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got a correct toolchain? how're you building ? 1373370;1452982055;guruvan;just happen to be building a buncha gentoo docker images today 1373371;1452982090;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 << notbad 1373372;1452982090;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log. 1373373;1452982177;mod6;guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this: 1373374;1452982191;mod6;CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc' 1373375;1452982230;guruvan;oh - have you rebuilt everything with that? 1373376;1452982232;mod6;or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct? 1373377;1452982244;mod6;# gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 * 1373378;1452982300;guruvan;is that gcc rebuilt with itself? 1373379;1452982423;ben_vulpes;punkman: a right 1373380;1452982498;guruvan;oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it? 1373381;1452982501;mod6;guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses. 1373382;1452982511;mod6;here's my config.log output for fluffypony and everyone who cares: http://dpaste.com/0KZP715.txt 1373383;1452982512;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsW7u ) 1373384;1452982587;mod6;i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that. 1373385;1452982618;mod6;the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain. 1373386;1452982635;mod6;no worries. 1373387;1452982639;guruvan;the configure there completely fails 1373388;1452982658;mod6;yeah. 1373389;1452982669;mod6;couldn't even make an a.out 1373390;1452982670;jurov;guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says 1373391;1452982711;guruvan;jurov: ? 1373392;1452982715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051297 = 4.3602 BTC [-] {4} 1373393;1452982734;jurov;oh it was mod6 he already did 1373394;1452982738;mod6;:D 1373395;1452982762;guruvan;mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site 1373396;1452982770;mod6;i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that. 1373397;1452982784;jurov;x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this 1373398;1452982792;mod6;guruvan: really? cool! 1373399;1452982829;mod6;jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think. 1373400;1452982829;guruvan;https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base/builds/ << latest should work - is running on my dev aws node 1373401;1452982831;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTl41 ) 1373402;1452982902;guruvan;those images are superbig dev images - all source and everything still onboard 1373403;1452982909;guruvan;https://github.com/mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons/tree/btc-therealbtc << source for the image 1373404;1452982910;assbot;mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons at btc-therealbtc - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTqEX ) 1373405;1452982932;shinohai;guruvan: sweet image 1373406;1452982949;mod6;heeey this is really neat 'RUN echo "Building Daemon" \ ... && wget /v0.5.3...tar.gz \ ...' 1373407;1452982964;guruvan;I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week 1373408;1452982977;BingoBoingo;guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch 1373409;1452982985;mod6;so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too. 1373410;1452983024;guruvan;mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there 1373411;1452983037;guruvan;I'm not a big git fan 1373412;1452983040;mod6;no worries atm. but yeah, awesome work. thanks for doing that 1373413;1452983095;guruvan;you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath 1373414;1452983107;guruvan;BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change 1373415;1452983119;shinohai;I finally got V to work for me just hours ago. 1373416;1452983126;mod6;^6 1373417;1452983129;shinohai;3 day battle for latest patches xD 1373418;1452983159;BingoBoingo;guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle 1373419;1452983160;assbot;[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i ) 1373420;1452983163;guruvan;point to primer on V ? 1373421;1452983188;BingoBoingo;guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000181.html 1373422;1452983189;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99997 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtpXi ) 1373423;1452983200;mod6;thx BingoBoingo 1373424;1452983215;BingoBoingo;yw mod6 1373425;1452983242;mod6;ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in. 1373426;1452983283;mod6;on my list of things to work on is also a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet. 1373427;1452983314;guruvan;is V something y'all threw together? 1373428;1452983325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00051561 = 12.8903 BTC [+] {5} 1373429;1452983325;mod6;yeah. 1373430;1452983326;guruvan;I've never heard of this at all 1373431;1452983378;guruvan;I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then 1373432;1452983401;mod6;that would be the bees knees. 1373433;1452983420;BingoBoingo;guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance. 1373434;1452983464;mod6;the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch. 1373435;1452983494;mod6;well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine. 1373436;1452983507;mod6;And ben_vulpes wrote one in CL 1373437;1452983508;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00051717 = 2.7927 BTC [+] {3} 1373438;1452983517;mod6;there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol 1373439;1452983525;guruvan;I like it with wot sigs - very interesting 1373440;1452983531;ben_vulpes;> js << lolwutwho 1373441;1452983550;mod6;punindented 1373442;1452983557;mod6;!up punindented 1373443;1452983587;mod6;feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!" 1373444;1452983646;shinohai;I'm sticking with perl V 1373445;1452983682;mod6;i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too. 1373446;1452983685;mod6;it's coming. 1373447;1452983717;guruvan;lol perl 1373448;1452983732;BingoBoingo;Worth a few chuckles https://archive.is/IR3q7 1373449;1452983733;assbot;HARDFORK: Fix mining centralisation by luke-jr · Pull Request #6 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtOca ) 1373450;1452983733;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D 1373451;1452983733;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz 1373452;1452983783;pete_dushenski;"Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay 1373453;1452983784;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same 1373454;1452983800;pete_dushenski;but you're not a hammie ! 1373455;1452983812;pete_dushenski;maybe that's what makes it funny. i dunno. 1373456;1452983838;BingoBoingo;Smith machines have a long history of controversy 1373457;1452983853;mod6;<+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy 1373458;1452983866;mod6;this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this: 1373459;1452983873;BingoBoingo;python is alf's favorite perl 1373460;1452983893;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1373461;1452983894;assbot;VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1373462;1452983945;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i could see it 1373463;1452984051;pete_dushenski;"Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j') 1373464;1452984063;ben_vulpes;who cares 1373465;1452984072;mod6;^ 1373466;1452984077;pete_dushenski;finefine 1373467;1452984106;ben_vulpes;seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts 1373468;1452984130;ben_vulpes;of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways 1373469;1452984152;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372538 << "the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know yet" (tm) (r) 1373470;1452984152;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 14:29:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then! 1373471;1452984192;guruvan;I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure 1373472;1452984221;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372540 << cxt is supah-bad-ass. problem is... it's $100k. there's no el cheapo entry-level spec for 1/3 price as in F-150, etc. 1373473;1452984221;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense. 1373474;1452984259;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc. 1373475;1452984290;pete_dushenski;call it entomology, call it popcorn entertainment, it's what it is 1373476;1452984374;ben_vulpes;makes for low snr is what is does 1373477;1452984390;ben_vulpes;it* 1373478;1452984433;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter 1373479;1452984433;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying h 1373480;1452984451;mod6;guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out. 1373481;1452984487;mod6;but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML. 1373482;1452984488;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point 1373483;1452984490;guruvan;something like this - yes 1373484;1452984510;mod6;i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6. 1373485;1452984566;mod6;well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug* 1373486;1452984568;guruvan;I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle 1373487;1452984589;ben_vulpes;hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb 1373488;1452984623;mod6;guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it. 1373489;1452984623;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis. 1373490;1452984623;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 15:56:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ? 1373491;1452984625;ben_vulpes;because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first. 1373492;1452984637;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: neato 1373493;1452984645;mod6;ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard. 1373494;1452984657;ben_vulpes;mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways 1373495;1452984668;ben_vulpes;last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours 1373496;1452984690;ben_vulpes;i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain 1373497;1452984693;mod6;it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels 1373498;1452984697;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: does crapple still sell 10.6 anywhere ? 1373499;1452984725;ben_vulpes;mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it 1373500;1452984732;ben_vulpes;what do you mean "precedence levels" 1373501;1452984739;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: lolno 1373502;1452984778;ben_vulpes;someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then 1373503;1452984792;ben_vulpes;heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night 1373504;1452984799;ben_vulpes;monochrome + color inversion 1373505;1452984807;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!" 1373506;1452984807;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 16:08:10; mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank 1373507;1452984808;ben_vulpes;the effect is rather beautiful. 1373508;1452984838;pete_dushenski;thread : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/ 1373509;1452984840;assbot;21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXWuAN ) 1373510;1452984853;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs 1373511;1452984854;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: where'd you get a copy of 10.6 ? 1373512;1452984869;mod6;we discussed it in here, a bit of varience is fine. 1373513;1452984875;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: "we'll give you a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"? 1373514;1452984885;*;pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by 1373515;1452984885;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things. 1373516;1452984900;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: weev's tracker 1373517;1452984927;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months" 1373518;1452984933;pete_dushenski;aha 1373519;1452984953;BingoBoingo; makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R) 1373520;1452984964;ben_vulpes;mod6: im still a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers 1373521;1452984967;mod6;for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. 1373522;1452984980;ben_vulpes;yes this i get 1373523;1452985079;ben_vulpes;i think i understand what you're driving at 1373524;1452985079;jurov;lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach? 1373525;1452985088;BingoBoingo; for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time. 1373526;1452985109;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372921 << this needs to be bashed. 1373527;1452985109;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true 1373528;1452985129;BingoBoingo;jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit 1373529;1452985130;mod6;you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand. 1373530;1452985147;ben_vulpes;huh 1373531;1452985196;mod6;basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should. 1373532;1452985249;mod6;actually... 1373533;1452985257;mod6;i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this. 1373534;1452985424;mod6;in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^ 1373535;1452985454;mod6;which to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl 1373536;1452985456;*;mod6 runs 1373537;1452985499;guruvan;as long as it's not js 1373538;1452985506;mod6;in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested. 1373539;1452985518;jurov;pete_dushenski: done 1373540;1452985548;ben_vulpes;no node 1373541;1452985550;ben_vulpes;please no node 1373542;1452985560;ben_vulpes;punindented: please no js 1373543;1452985584;mod6;my 0.00000002 was: hey, whatever floats your boat. 1373544;1452985586;jurov;let's skip straight to cobol 1373545;1452985591;BingoBoingo;^ 1373546;1452985595;ben_vulpes;did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet? 1373547;1452985601;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js 1373548;1452985602;assbot;fuck-you/index.js at master · robotlolita/fuck-you · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZN7M ) 1373549;1452985602;BingoBoingo;cobol, the language of bzns 1373550;1452985610;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg 1373551;1452985610;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary? 1373552;1452985613;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEA ) 1373553;1452985614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEC ) 1373554;1452985615;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEE ) 1373555;1452985635;ben_vulpes;which...https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js#L79 1373556;1452985647;mod6;i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me. 1373557;1452985669;pete_dushenski;^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow ! 1373558;1452985672;mod6;that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful. 1373559;1452985683;ben_vulpes;i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line. 1373560;1452985693;jurov;pete_dushenski: that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption 1373561;1452985700;jurov;*ubiquitous 1373562;1452985709;ben_vulpes;far better to be useful helping mod6 than to waste time like me on deadlang impls that don't even work 1373563;1452985727;pete_dushenski;jurov: gasoline isn't ubiquitous enough ? 1373564;1452985751;jurov;pete_dushenski: in the hypothetical 15k world 1373565;1452985753;pete_dushenski;and all-terrain ? sure. ugly ? THE CXT IS BEAUTIFUL 1373566;1452985777;pete_dushenski;jurov: in 15k world, gasoline still has other uses 1373567;1452985798;pete_dushenski;the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it 1373568;1452985805;jurov;yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km 1373569;1452985821;pete_dushenski;doesn't need to 1373570;1452985847;pete_dushenski;oil products have a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently 1373571;1452985855;pete_dushenski;storage is also quite manageable 1373572;1452985861;pete_dushenski;and cost-effective 1373573;1452986049;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding.. 1373574;1452986049;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later 1373575;1452986086;BingoBoingo;car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like truck. 1373576;1452986108;ben_vulpes;this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette 1373577;1452986109;pete_dushenski;totally 1373578;1452986126;ben_vulpes;'twas built for glass-smooth late seventies roads. 1373579;1452986150;pete_dushenski;i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are 1373580;1452986165;ben_vulpes;i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town. 1373581;1452986187;ben_vulpes;lovely highway driver, though. 1373582;1452986190;jurov;tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris vastly benefit from mass production infrastructure 1373583;1452986223;pete_dushenski;the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.) 1373584;1452986240;pete_dushenski;jurov: in what way ? 1373585;1452986296;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road 1373586;1452986353;jurov;pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites 1373587;1452986389;jurov;and electronics 1373588;1452986397;pete_dushenski;this improves reliability, yes. 1373589;1452986436;pete_dushenski;but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off 1373590;1452986470;pete_dushenski;you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else. 1373591;1452986471;jurov;but i was talking about materials (and machinery) 1373592;1452986500;ben_vulpes;http://news.mit.edu/2016/nanophotonic-incandescent-light-bulbs-0111 << luminous efficiency is a reprehensible scam 1373593;1452986500;assbot;A nanophotonic comeback for incandescent bulbs? | MIT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe0VrP ) 1373594;1452986515;jurov;imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material 1373595;1452986523;pete_dushenski;jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too. 1373596;1452986536;pete_dushenski;jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1371265 1373597;1452986536;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty. 1373598;1452986554;jurov;well, and how does it dosprove my point? 1373599;1452986556;pete_dushenski;^not off the shelf, not shared with anyone. 1373600;1452986561;jurov;i did not say ALL materials 1373601;1452986581;pete_dushenski;"all the materials" << 1373602;1452986603;jurov;sigh. okay let burn me on sigle word 1373603;1452986617;pete_dushenski;that's all it takes ;) 1373604;1452986634;jurov;they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market 1373605;1452986672;pete_dushenski;and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market 1373606;1452986690;punkman;/me wonders how much a small steel mill costs 1373607;1452986719;jurov;well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this? 1373608;1452986727;pete_dushenski;jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around 1373609;1452986751;ben_vulpes;hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business. 1373610;1452986755;pete_dushenski;jurov: titanium company pays for this 1373611;1452986765;pete_dushenski;and if they can't, supplier finds a new one. 1373612;1452986766;jurov;but they have small volume 1373613;1452986782;jurov;it will lead to disruption in any case 1373614;1452986785;ben_vulpes;even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company. 1373615;1452986786;pete_dushenski;so that titanium company goes bust 1373616;1452986797;pete_dushenski;new one takes its place, maybe this takes time, maybe not 1373617;1452986833;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no. 1373618;1452986840;jurov;well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional 1373619;1452986887;jurov;you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product 1373620;1452986898;pete_dushenski;that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye 1373621;1452986936;pete_dushenski;jurov: sure you can. of course you can. 1373622;1452986978;pete_dushenski;you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ? 1373623;1452986985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00051247 = 4.3047 BTC [-] {2} 1373624;1452986992;jurov;"of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf 1373625;1452987002;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/23/business/the-rise-of-mini-steel-mills.html 1373626;1452987004;assbot;THE RISE OF MINI-STEEL MILLS - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe1IZR ) 1373627;1452987086;pete_dushenski;jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets. 1373628;1452987097;pete_dushenski;punkman: nice find. 1373629;1452987107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00051815 = 1.8498 BTC [+] 1373630;1452987109;pete_dushenski;golden oldie. 1373631;1452987141;pete_dushenski; in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg 1373632;1452987141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wivjln ) 1373633;1452987197;pete_dushenski;^Myasishchev VM-T Atlant NATO Code: Bison 1373634;1452987215;ben_vulpes;steel mill doesn't make sense to operate unless operated continually, no small-batch fabber is going to do so. 1373635;1452987225;ben_vulpes;plus costs of molds, does it cast? forge? roll? 1373636;1452987266;jurov;pete_dushenski: why would a person pay for such an one-of-a-few computer? 1373637;1452987333;pete_dushenski;because it's useful ? because it's unique ? because fuck you (not you, but "you") ? 1373638;1452987334;punkman;"In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds." 1373639;1452987367;jurov;and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver? 1373640;1452987412;ben_vulpes;so they're a glorified waste-processing plant. 1373641;1452987442;pete_dushenski;jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ? 1373642;1452987466;jurov;because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available 1373643;1452987472;ben_vulpes;> t bars 1373644;1452987476;ben_vulpes;mk. 1373645;1452987484;ben_vulpes;literal bottom feeders. 1373646;1452987586;jurov;for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure 1373647;1452987597;pete_dushenski;jurov: so it's the gasoline thing again. 1373648;1452987650;jurov;for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies 1373649;1452987658;punkman;sounds like http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html 1373650;1452987659;assbot;Read, I, Pencil | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiwdP2 ) 1373651;1452987797;punkman;also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world 1373652;1452987797;assbot;Logged on 10-02-2015 11:47:29; punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity? 1373653;1452987803;pete_dushenski;punkman: classic 1373654;1452987941;jurov;*shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt. 1373655;1452987944;pete_dushenski;jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts) 1373656;1452988086;pete_dushenski;with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution 1373657;1452988089;jurov;funny that communism actually achieved this. 1373658;1452988105;jurov;you could fix "skoda 120" at home with a pit and basic tools 1373659;1452988115;BingoBoingo;related http://www.theonion.com/article/area-dog-will-never-live-up-to-dog-on-purina-bag-1755 1373660;1452988116;assbot;Area Dog Will Never Live Up To Dog On Purina Bag - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe3gD7 ) 1373661;1452988116;pete_dushenski;nothing lasts forever. not even communism. 1373662;1452988123;jurov;so not at all hard to imagine. 1373663;1452988148;jurov;what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive 1373664;1452988193;pete_dushenski;aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in. 1373665;1452988225;jurov;and my reply was that dependence is best strategy 1373666;1452988240;jurov;so not really feudalism, but one schelling point 1373667;1452988245;jurov;one ruler 1373668;1452988249;pete_dushenski;within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be) 1373669;1452988292;pete_dushenski;jurov: seems impractical for one ruler to manage that much complexity 1373670;1452988303;jurov;feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems 1373671;1452988320;jurov;pete_dushenski: of course he will delegate 1373672;1452988329;jurov;but then it's hierarchy 1373673;1452988337;pete_dushenski;aha. dunbar number 1373674;1452988386;jurov;people always try to overstep dunbar number 1373675;1452988391;jurov;what's to stop them? 1373676;1452988402;pete_dushenski;biology, time. 1373677;1452988433;pete_dushenski;still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc 1373678;1452988483;pete_dushenski;so having geographic divisions still makes sense, even across cultural lines if people can't be persuaded to get along via market forces 1373679;1452988497;jurov;pls explain that to every russian ruler in past 200 years 1373680;1452988521;pete_dushenski;which part ? 1373681;1452988534;jurov;"distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc" 1373682;1452988552;jurov;by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan 1373683;1452988596;jurov;nope. what can expand, it does. beyond supplies, food, equipment,.. etc limits 1373684;1452988612;pete_dushenski;i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has. 1373685;1452988613;jurov;and these limits went way bigger recently 1373686;1452988666;pete_dushenski;cancers expands ad infinitum too. until the host dies and the worms move in. 1373687;1452988693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9610 @ 0.00051976 = 4.9949 BTC [+] {4} 1373688;1452988742;jurov;so? 1373689;1452988766;pete_dushenski;so a snapshot in time tells us nothing 1373690;1452988802;jurov;to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin? 1373691;1452988806;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1373692;1452988808;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 388.4, Best ask: 388.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 388.4, 24 hour volume: 74062.16019306, 24 hour low: 352.5, 24 hour high: 392.5, 24 hour vwap: None 1373693;1452988814;pete_dushenski;^broomsticky 1373694;1452988862;pete_dushenski;jurov: i guess i don't see that all the world's power ~has~ to be "in" bitcoin. 1373695;1452988912;pete_dushenski;so while bitcoin might be more politically centralised, there's a whole lot else out there in the wild 1373696;1452988933;pete_dushenski;how many "bitcoin devs teams" are there ? a dozen ? 1373697;1452988955;jurov;you call them "centers of power"? fo srs 1373698;1452989036;pete_dushenski;relatively speaking, sure. within the minds of the many, many "people" who bestow it upon them. the scrillion branches of xtianity are no different in this regard. and they all have some measure of power. 1373699;1452989108;pete_dushenski;this minor power might not move mountains or build space rockets, but it can provide health care, "education," "a sense of community" etc 1373700;1452989128;jurov;when did you start considering headcount as a measure? 1373701;1452989172;pete_dushenski;it's always been a measure, just depends on what for. 1373702;1452989189;pete_dushenski;isis measures in headcounts (on stakes) 1373703;1452989303;jurov;so, if bitcoin becomes world's reserve currency but people will still "bestow" upon usd 1373704;1452989309;jurov;where is the power center? 1373705;1452989392;jurov;i'm lost in this, you foresee feudal society, then what people bestow, dunno 1373706;1452989416;jurov;gotta sleep, bye 1373707;1452989428;pete_dushenski;i think the issue here might be with the conception that power is binary and that its centres must contain all or none. it isn't. there are gradations. so even if bitcoin is very, very valuable, it won't be sufficient to constitute the entirety of the world. you can't eat bits. 1373708;1452989433;pete_dushenski;jurov: cheers 1373709;1452989570;jurov;irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end 1373710;1452989579;jurov;*iirc 1373711;1452989591;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373142 << i'm sure alfie will loooove ^^^ ;/ 1373712;1452989591;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 20:31:38; ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest 1373713;1452989641;punkman;jurov, don't you wish a stake for certain people? 1373714;1452989642;BingoBoingo;!up bad-dragon 1373715;1452989660;jurov;not really 1373716;1452989661;pete_dushenski;jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common. 1373717;1452989695;pete_dushenski;it's actually the minority of the world that thinks you can "talk it through" and "share fee-fees" 1373718;1452989713;pete_dushenski;and the minority of history, for that matter 1373719;1452989723;jurov;if civilised world ends and proves it was only an illusion, then perhaps i reconsider 1373720;1452989775;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/2Y8ZQTk.jpg 1373721;1452989776;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe6net ) 1373722;1452989776;pete_dushenski;i'm content with that conclusion. now go get some sleep ! 1373723;1452989838;punkman;well you can put them in a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it 1373724;1452989892;pete_dushenski;there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter. 1373725;1452989987;pete_dushenski; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ? 1373726;1452989987;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 20:41:15; mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice! 1373727;1452990218;punkman;http://www.startupbizhub.com/starting-steel-mini-mill.htm check out the 488 comments 1373728;1452990220;assbot;Starting Steel Mini Mill ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdVIR ) 1373729;1452990512;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373344 << haha omg that'd be epic. i bet "sharpie" would even donate a 10' long pen just for the occasion. tell them "it's for art" and you're golden. 1373730;1452990512;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:08; mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D 1373731;1452990673;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQl0RhEPBJw 1373732;1452990674;assbot;Dead Kennedys - Buzzbomb from Pasadena - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpeGBD ) 1373733;1452991088;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/Y2aaSdX.png unicodez 1373734;1452991088;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpfaYx ) 1373735;1452991194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052045 = 1.0149 BTC [+] 1373736;1452992170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6499 @ 0.00052212 = 3.3933 BTC [+] {3} 1373737;1452992385;pete_dushenski;punkman: heh 1373738;1452992597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00052218 = 1.3577 BTC [+] 1373739;1452993092;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373342 >> bwahahaha 1373740;1452993092;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 21:49:24; mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper. 1373741;1452993146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052218 = 1.9843 BTC [+] 1373742;1452993444;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373410 << totally look into v. it's great. 1373743;1452993444;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:23:44; guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there 1373744;1452993576;mircea_popescu;"@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that. 1373745;1452993576;mircea_popescu;This is literally no harder to get consensus for than a hardforked block size increase. This is probably easier, in fact, since it impacts fewer people negatively." 1373746;1452993608;mircea_popescu;actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak. 1373747;1452993650;mircea_popescu;letting bitfury & friends eat 100mn in unrecoupable engineering costs would provide exactly the correct lesson as to what it's a good idea to say and when it's a good idea to shut the fuck up and toe the line. 1373748;1452993723;mircea_popescu;"jcliff commented Jan 16, 2016 1373749;1452993723;mircea_popescu;NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow." 1373750;1452993726;mircea_popescu;who is this imbecile again ? 1373751;1452993821;BingoBoingo;I've been asking myself that a lot lately 1373752;1452993964;BingoBoingo;All of the nobodies 1373753;1452993993;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should. 1373754;1452993993;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it 1373755;1452994010;mircea_popescu;provided, of course, same sigils. 1373756;1452994303;mircea_popescu;!up epscy 1373757;1452994457;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373568 << it does, just, between monaco and paris, not between fucking mobile and las vegas. 1373758;1452994457;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:10:05; jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km 1373759;1452994525;BingoBoingo;Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right? 1373760;1452994550;BingoBoingo;Was just at walmart and saw a few for $10 a pop. 1373761;1452994566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373594 << dude you're on this whole "before i was around people never fucked" angle. 1373762;1452994566;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:55; jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material 1373763;1452994579;mircea_popescu;fucking roman empire got dates across the sea in time to start a war. wtf already, 1373764;1452994606;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373604 << no. the mass market drives them to shittify their offerings. 1373765;1452994606;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:23:54; jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market 1373766;1452994621;mircea_popescu;they're as unreliable as they fucking get. 1373767;1452994664;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373606 << ironically enough stell mill has strange anti-economies of scale. romania had one of the largest in the world, at galati. it was bought by arcelor and downsized. they also bought and downsized the krivoy rog ones. 1373768;1452994664;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:24:50; punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs 1373769;1452994747;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373607 << it's the same money, but in fewer hands. think of it this way : currently, there's 10`000 "family units" in town X making "the decision" to buy cable. as a result... there's two shitty companies and a de facto monopoly. transform those families into slaves and servants. they no longer get their own house, but live in the house oftheir masters, at their disposals 1373770;1452994747;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:25:19; jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this? 1373771;1452994748;mircea_popescu;. now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly. 1373772;1452994759;mircea_popescu;because the 200 are stronger than the 12 ; whereas the 10k are weaker than fucking cox cable. 1373773;1452994787;mircea_popescu;and yes this means that julie slaveface doesn't get to elect who's gonna take her maidenhood. fuck her. 1373774;1452994811;mircea_popescu;and yes this means some inept derp doesn't get to sit around and "save the world" with "his foundation". fuck gates, too. 1373775;1452994893;mircea_popescu;but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good. 1373776;1452994932;mircea_popescu;so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore. 1373777;1452994935;mircea_popescu;these are light costs to bear. 1373778;1452995077;BingoBoingo; but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good. << Kinda why US municipalities with good internet have a maximum size. 1373779;1452995092;mircea_popescu;quite. 1373780;1452995114;mircea_popescu;and note that there wasn't any sort of run amok "medical profession", or "legal profession", or anything else back then. doctor fucking paid house calls. 1373781;1452995125;mircea_popescu;except if you were poor and unconnected, but in that case - YOU BELONG IN THE SEWER. 1373782;1452995141;BingoBoingo;If there aren't jsut a handful of families in town with the relative wallets to tell the cable co FU, can't have get fiber 1373783;1452995144;mircea_popescu;otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason. 1373784;1452995152;mircea_popescu;ro soviet socialism was very much a medieval arrangement. 1373785;1452995157;mircea_popescu;jsut different nobility. 1373786;1452995230;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373651 << size per se is irrelevant. the point is that the 10bn can't have franchise. 1373787;1452995230;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:43:17; punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world 1373788;1452995244;mircea_popescu;for as long as they make as much difference as rats, they can also multiply as rats. 1373789;1452995253;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe they manage to spawn a hot chick. 1373790;1452995308;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything. 1373791;1452995308;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:44; pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts) 1373792;1452995319;mircea_popescu;heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today. 1373793;1452995360;BingoBoingo;Occassionally 2016 stuff is better than 2006 stuff. 1373794;1452995393;mircea_popescu;sure. 1373795;1452995436;BingoBoingo;Example: mass market walmart brand clock radio purchased today. Beats the hell out of finicky big name 2006 clock radio. Beautiful AM reception only 22 inches from UPS transformer 1373796;1452995502;BingoBoingo;But neither would be capable of crushing as many skulls as 1950's equivalent 1373797;1452995554;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373670 << this is deeply untrue. for instance : feudalism in germany was decentralized ; in france centralized. same exact fucking country. 1373798;1452995554;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:51:43; jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems 1373799;1452995573;mircea_popescu;ideology matters a lot more than these things. the germans wanted to be free and the french wanted to party. 1373800;1452995591;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should. << yup. the topological flow might be ever so slightly different when listed, but the resulting pressed tree must be exactly the same. 1373801;1452995591;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it 1373802;1452995599;mod6;mathematically even. 1373803;1452995615;mircea_popescu;quite. 1373804;1452995661;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373690 << i dun see the impediment. 1373805;1452995661;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:00:02; jurov: to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin? 1373806;1452995712;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373709 << wait, wut ? 1373807;1452995712;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:12:50; jurov: irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end 1373808;1452995759;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373725 << a little. 1373809;1452995759;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:19:47; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ? 1373810;1452996319;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373631 << possibly tank for 'buran' shuttle 1373811;1452996319;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:32:21; pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg 1373812;1452996425;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373494 << i've actually thought about writing, for lulz, a vtron in... gnumake 1373813;1452996425;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:50:57; ben_vulpes: mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways 1373814;1452996427;mircea_popescu;insectworld. 1373815;1452996440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2414 @ 0.00052045 = 1.2564 BTC [-] {2} 1373816;1452996445;asciilifeform;and my original (unpublished) attempt was in ... awk & sed 1373817;1452996468;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 << very direly, importantly, yes 1373818;1452996468;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it 1373819;1452996498;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut 1373820;1452996498;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:53:27; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!" 1373821;1452996524;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what 1373822;1452996524;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs 1373823;1452996550;asciilifeform;if 2 vtrons give variant output on same input, ~someone~ has catastrophically-broken system 1373824;1452996557;asciilifeform;possibly both. 1373825;1452996572;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here 1373826;1452996572;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:45; *: pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by 1373827;1452996579;asciilifeform;it's yours for the cost of postage. 1373828;1452996595;asciilifeform;original box, too 1373829;1452996621;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what << sure we can talk about this. we've actually discussed it a few times at least. 1373830;1452996621;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs 1373831;1452996632;asciilifeform;did we? i forget 1373832;1452996636;asciilifeform;was it the lexical order thing? 1373833;1452996659;mod6;from those discussions, I'm under the impression that the ordering of the flow doesn't exactly have to be the exact same, as long as the pressing is the exact same. 1373834;1452996669;asciilifeform;aha the hashes either match, or they do not 1373835;1452996674;asciilifeform;(in the latter case, the whole thing melts down) 1373836;1452996679;mod6;right. 1373837;1452996712;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time 1373838;1452996712;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:50; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg 1373839;1452996717;mod6;i'm not really talkinga bout the pressing. as i was saying to ben, i checked all of my pressings by final output hash & have automated tests that check & ensure this outcome is correct. 1373840;1452996725;asciilifeform;this was, of course, ~before~ the usgization of flight 1373841;1452996744;asciilifeform;today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate 1373842;1452996749;asciilifeform;or at least the radio equivalent 1373843;1452996755;mod6;the new, yet unreleased v99996 will check the resultant hashes of the files touched by a vpatch -- to add another layer to this. 1373844;1452996756;asciilifeform;and $100k of schooling and licensing, etc 1373845;1452996766;asciilifeform;mod6: very spiffy, looking forward to this 1373846;1452996791;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373549 << snobol, the language of snobs !!11 (tm) (r) (my brother's aphorisms) 1373847;1452996791;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:42; BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns 1373848;1452996839;BingoBoingo;bzns is to bsns as azn is to Nisshin Maru 1373849;1452996842;guruvan;mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied 1373850;1452996844;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either) 1373851;1452996844;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:07:49; pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow ! 1373852;1452996849;mod6;yup, me too -- code is done, pretty much tested thus far. but the changes to having .wot in the pwd instead of ~/ by default; i want to ensure that it works ok with trinque' makefiles before i publish. 1373853;1452996887;mod6;<+guruvan> mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied << ah, you had it build from V? 1373854;1452996915;guruvan;no - I'm not there yet - I'm just sitting down to figure out how to use V 1373855;1452996923;mod6;ahh. ok, gotcha. 1373856;1452996925;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373573 << this is lunacy. each of those machines exists because there IS a mass market for machine tools, the requisite raw materials, the skill set of the readily available assemblers, and in fact a large number of the parts per se 1373857;1452996925;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:14:09; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding.. 1373858;1452996931;asciilifeform;there was no ferrari in 1850. 1373859;1452996934;guruvan;any prereqs i need to know - just latest perl? 1373860;1452996935;asciilifeform;nor could have been. 1373861;1452996976;mod6;yeah perl 5, and that should be it. if you want it to be able to utilize the graphing utility, you need to install Graph::Easy, but that is not a requirement or prereq to it running. 1373862;1452996984;mod6;some pro-tips: 1373863;1452997028;mod6;1]: with version 99997 create (by hand) a ~/.wot directory and populate it with keys named as their irc-nick and .asc, like: mod6.asc or asciilifeform.asc 1373864;1452997060;mod6;well, that's pretty much it. the 'init' command should take care of the rest. 1373865;1452997069;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota. 1373866;1452997069;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:10; pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else. 1373867;1452997081;mod6;when you get there, if you hit any snags, just let me know. 1373868;1452997082;asciilifeform;as is the cpu in engine comp. 1373869;1452997090;guruvan;I will - thanks mod6 1373870;1452997097;mod6;thank /you/! 1373871;1452997148;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead 1373872;1452997148;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:27:13; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no. 1373873;1452997151;asciilifeform;and will. 1373874;1452997161;guruvan;no trouble - I'm gonna play a little with V tonight 1373875;1452997169;asciilifeform;not even queen victoria was willing to pay for what a ~completed~ difference engine cost. 1373876;1452997191;asciilifeform;and it was much more of a realistic proposition than hand-made vlsi. 1373877;1452997237;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks 1373878;1452997237;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:28:07; jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product 1373879;1452997243;asciilifeform;BECAUSE INDUSTRY 1373880;1452997244;asciilifeform;srsly. 1373881;1452997309;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373639 << jurov gets it. 1373882;1452997309;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:36:07; jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver? 1373883;1452997380;mircea_popescu;jurov "gets it" in that he flatters your favourite worldview, is all. 1373884;1452997396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd much like to be proven wrong... go, bring back symbolics co. 1373885;1452997406;asciilifeform;the ultimate 'computer for k00l d00dz' 1373886;1452997409;mircea_popescu;a) you don';t get to say what's the criteria for you being proven wrong 1373887;1452997414;asciilifeform;were 15k even built? 1373888;1452997421;mircea_popescu;b) symbolics was a nefarious piece of shit i'd burn with my own hands if it was still aroundm. 1373889;1452997447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and the other computer vendors at the time were angels ? 1373890;1452997463;mircea_popescu;this makes no difference. 1373891;1452997464;asciilifeform;but it is true, it was widely hated, even when small 1373892;1452997469;asciilifeform;see for instance rms 1373893;1452997472;mircea_popescu;hated also makes no difference. 1373894;1452997476;mircea_popescu;it was outright evil. more so than microsoft. 1373895;1452997483;asciilifeform;quite arguably so 1373896;1452997490;mircea_popescu;that it fucking died a sad death almost excuses the fact microsoft didn't. 1373897;1452997517;*;asciilifeform would like to read a mircea_popescu mega-piece on the death of smbx one day 1373898;1452997536;asciilifeform;right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?) 1373899;1452997539;mircea_popescu;because if the personification of justice sits there and says "only had one bullet, and ms were idiots - so i killed the dangerous morons", i can't protest. 1373900;1452997579;asciilifeform;btw i'm not even sure it makes sense to compare the two - smbx was in an industry almost unrelated as, e.g., j. d. rockefeller's 1373901;1452997588;asciilifeform;(they did not make personal comp, nor ever threaten to) 1373902;1452997628;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1373903;1452997631;mircea_popescu;they invented the apple store. 1373904;1452997644;asciilifeform;wai wut ?! 1373905;1452997684;mircea_popescu;the whole thing that company was - a giant apple store. 1373906;1452997688;asciilifeform;wat?! 1373907;1452997692;asciilifeform;how? 1373908;1452997697;mircea_popescu;closed surce bs. 1373909;1452997700;asciilifeform;mno 1373910;1452997705;asciilifeform;whole motherfucking thing SHIPPED WITH SOURCE 1373911;1452997710;asciilifeform;what on earth are you on about. 1373912;1452997716;*;mircea_popescu goes back to the notes. 1373913;1452997732;asciilifeform;i actually have the smbx source right here. 1373914;1452997745;asciilifeform;on a legit, pressed cd 1373915;1452997748;asciilifeform;circa early '90s. 1373916;1452997752;mircea_popescu;"The largest criticisms of Symbolics in the article are that Symbolics believed AI would take off and that Symbolics mistakenly pushed its view that proprietary hardware was the way to go for AI." 1373917;1452997756;BingoBoingo;But seriously. The blue pogos were the worthless ones right, or do I gotta go back to Walmart tonight? 1373918;1452997777;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo iirc we wanted the red ones. 1373919;1452997783;BingoBoingo;k 1373920;1452997786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they, along with lmi, texas instruments, racal norsk, and possibly a few others, sold dedicated lisp cpu. which made engineering sense at the time 1373921;1452997789;asciilifeform;and actually still does 1373922;1452997802;asciilifeform;if cat-picture-watchers were not the dominant market segment 1373923;1452997804;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1373924;1452997810;mircea_popescu;and the appstore makes "engineering sense" 1373925;1452997831;asciilifeform;nothing to do with any of it 1373926;1452997835;asciilifeform;go review the lit. 1373927;1452997860;asciilifeform;smbx corp also did not burn rome or invade stalingrad. 1373928;1452997879;asciilifeform;the true pioneers of 'apple store' model were... ibm 1373929;1452997899;asciilifeform;who did not sell (yes) their machines, but ~rented~ time on EACH CPU to the 'owner', along with the soft 1373930;1452997904;asciilifeform;from 1960s on. 1373931;1452997920;mircea_popescu;i fail to see how symbolics was any better. 1373932;1452997922;asciilifeform;thing came with N cpu, X mb of ram, etc. and you would RENT them by the hour. 1373933;1452997942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well, for one thing, you could actually BUY the machine 1373934;1452997964;asciilifeform;it was just a costly piece of industrial equipment, no trickery involved 1373935;1452997967;mircea_popescu;right. 1373936;1452997985;mircea_popescu;and if i wanted to upgrade it i had to buy from them, right ? 1373937;1452998001;asciilifeform;and came with the soft, the source, and with the important detail that you could point at ANYTHING running and get its source IN REAL TIME 1373938;1452998005;asciilifeform;and modify that bit 1373939;1452998012;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you think this is an exculpatory bit. 1373940;1452998016;mircea_popescu;it's the very damnable part. 1373941;1452998017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you wanted to upgrade a pdp you had to buy from dec, etc 1373942;1452998025;asciilifeform;standardization of components at that time had touched only disks 1373943;1452998027;mircea_popescu;yes but all those idiots never stood a chance 1373944;1452998029;mircea_popescu;these guys - did. 1373945;1452998036;mircea_popescu;which is what makes them the absolute worst scum. 1373946;1452998046;asciilifeform;(smbx boxen used fujitsu 'eagle' drive like every other mini of the period) 1373947;1452998052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wut 1373948;1452998062;asciilifeform;!s heroes hang while traitors triumph 1373949;1452998063;assbot;0 results for 'heroes hang while traitors triumph' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=heroes+hang+while+traitors+triumph 1373950;1452998070;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu thought ~i~ was the sinner in re: ^ 1373951;1452998071;mircea_popescu;mno. these are no sort of heroes. 1373952;1452998078;mircea_popescu;they're cockroaches. mice are extinct, because large. 1373953;1452998084;mircea_popescu;cockroaches survive because just low profile enough. 1373954;1452998097;asciilifeform;that is what survived, yes 1373955;1452998099;asciilifeform;cockroaches. 1373956;1452998104;asciilifeform;the idiot 1980s minis. 1373957;1452998110;asciilifeform;*micros 1373958;1452998117;mircea_popescu;that this particular brand of "just low profile enough" actually died for once is nothing short of miraculous. 1373959;1452998126;mircea_popescu;god fucking help us with a symbolics entrenched in success. 1373960;1452998157;asciilifeform;how would it meaningfully differ from your 'computers for the 15k, mud for the 15m' scenario ? 1373961;1452998169;asciilifeform;just because smbx was an american firm and thereby satanic ? 1373962;1452998173;mircea_popescu;you missed the number 12. go re-read that dicussion. 1373963;1452998190;mircea_popescu;i want a single, competent it corp like i want an elk horn up my ass. 1373964;1452998210;asciilifeform;there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890. 1373965;1452998223;mircea_popescu;yes, actually, there were. you don't recall their names, but there were. 1373966;1452998233;mircea_popescu;and the important part here is exactly that. 1373967;1452998240;asciilifeform;so why died ? 1373968;1452998252;mircea_popescu;who, symbolix ? nothing short of good fortune. 1373969;1452998256;asciilifeform;no, no, the cars 1373970;1452998261;mircea_popescu;there's no reason they should have, statistically. that they did is a miracle. 1373971;1452998274;mircea_popescu;oh. because taxes. 1373972;1452998299;asciilifeform;tax was scarcely a thing at the time/place ? 1373973;1452998366;mircea_popescu;the way most of the early industry was rolled up, was that the "chosen" schelling point got tax breaks. 1373974;1452998398;asciilifeform;ah now this i recall. 1373975;1452998400;asciilifeform;as in rail. 1373976;1452998415;mircea_popescu;worked pretty much universally from the mid 1800s on 1373977;1452998448;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373783 << aha, we had this in '80 su 1373978;1452998448;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:45:44; mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason. 1373979;1452998455;asciilifeform;it blew my mind that 'civilized' usa does not 1373980;1452998522;mircea_popescu;"streamlining" and bla bla, "corporatization" etc. 1373981;1452998538;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << phun phakt: i bought a new (fiddybuck) pair of shoes a week before blasting off to conf3 in b-a. these shoes began to show visible 'asking for porridge' the week i came back. mostly in tatters now. 1373982;1452998538;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything. 1373983;1452998551;mircea_popescu;also known as "fuck everything up, nobody'll figure it out anyway" 1373984;1452998580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was referencing that "i can throw them out for you" thing 1373985;1452998587;asciilifeform;incidentally, one interesting fact perhaps unknown outside of usaschwitz is that one assumption baked into these 'shoes' is that owner DOES NOT WALK 1373986;1452998593;asciilifeform;he drives. even to coffee across the street. 1373987;1452998597;asciilifeform;like my colleagues 1373988;1452998601;asciilifeform;(and the set before them) 1373989;1452998615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, it 1373990;1452998642;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373792 << helped that plastic (esp. of the fine-detailed injection mold variety) was not yet a thing 1373991;1452998642;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:39; mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today. 1373992;1452998657;asciilifeform;it absolutely ANNIHILATED longevity. witness, e.g., plastic bicycle derailleurs 1373993;1452998663;asciilifeform;(caps the life of the machine at about 2y) 1373994;1452999042;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 << hey, false. 1373995;1452999042;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that. 1373996;1452999045;asciilifeform;!s lifecoin 1373997;1452999046;assbot;6 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin 1373998;1452999066;asciilifeform;for all the good it does. 1373999;1452999142;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. 1374000;1452999142;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common. 1374001;1452999210;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << did anybody ever suggest keccak ?!!! did i sleep through this?! 1374002;1452999210;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak. 1374003;1452999253;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Luke suggested it to the ClassicCoin forkers 1374004;1452999260;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373759 << aaaaactually you can solder the sata plug on ! 1374005;1452999260;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:35:25; BingoBoingo: Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right? 1374006;1452999262;asciilifeform;it has the holes. 1374007;1452999268;asciilifeform;if you have the patience. 1374008;1452999293;BingoBoingo;I don't have the patience for those savings 1374009;1452999307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00052045 = 2.9926 BTC [-] {2} 1374010;1452999502;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373771 << how many gas companies were there in 1820 london ? 1374011;1452999502;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:39:08; mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly. 1374012;1452999618;mircea_popescu;!up raedah 1374013;1452999686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one for a year, then fifty ? 1374014;1452999718;mircea_popescu;"Likewise, there were only two gasworks in London in 1814, and by 1822, there were seven and by 1829, there were 200 companies." 1374015;1452999771;asciilifeform;i'd like to find out how they handled digging, rights-of-way, and whether they shared what today folks call 'last mile' 1374016;1452999781;asciilifeform;(prolly will have to hit the library at some point...) 1374017;1452999783;mircea_popescu;for which purpose a library awaits. 1374018;1452999786;asciilifeform;aha! 1374019;1452999857;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. << no because jurov knows shit about the noncivilised world having taken wives out of their ranks and such. 1374020;1452999857;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common. 1374021;1452999908;asciilifeform;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_manufactured_gas#/media/File:Drawing_the_retorts_at_the_Great_Gas_Establishment_Brick_Lane.png << spiffy pic 1374022;1452999909;assbot;History of manufactured gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVqFdg ) 1374023;1452999969;raedah;met someone yesterday who's family migrated from the Montana mountains back in the day because the neighboring families had a habbit of solving disputes by killing eachothers children. 1374024;1453000247;mircea_popescu;could we start with a "who are you" thing ? 1374025;1453000283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2571 @ 0.00052088 = 1.3392 BTC [+] 1374026;1453000405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00052088 = 1.1459 BTC [+] 1374027;1453000877;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373279 << incidentally THERE WAS NO THERMITE!!111 at the motherfucking talk. suit was 'symbolic!11'. i shit thee not. 1374028;1453000877;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 21:07:47; mircea_popescu: no thermite present ? 1374029;1453000880;asciilifeform;only films. 1374030;1453000926;asciilifeform;but aside from this, it was ok, fella determined, through laborious trial & error, a recipe for a very reasonable ~thermate~ which cremated usb stick to ashes with 7g of powder. 1374031;1453000932;asciilifeform;and a novel crucible design for this purpose. 1374032;1453000953;asciilifeform;(man-portable) 1374033;1453000988;BingoBoingo;Interesting. Would throw in for that kickstarter if scaled up to 3.5" drive 1374034;1453001003;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: like any ~really good~ tech, it needs no kickstarter 1374035;1453001013;asciilifeform;it just needs you and a local construction equipment shop. 1374036;1453001019;BingoBoingo;Of course 1374037;1453001030;BingoBoingo;Hence the irony 1374038;1453001129;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373287 << i'd quite enjoy learning what part of that piece mircea_popescu disagreed with 1374039;1453001129;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 21:11:59; mircea_popescu: http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html << somewhat bizarre take on things. 1374040;1453001129;raedah;hello. here i am known as raedah. ive been a dev for joinmarket for the past few months. i like sexual relations with women, resisting invalid authority, educating ignorance, and being in nature. 1374041;1453001147;asciilifeform;raedah: where in nature ? 1374042;1453001229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the part where he's saying exactly " The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it." except he sounds like he means it. 1374043;1453001248;mircea_popescu;so wait, i shouldn't fucking own things because "they canb bestolen" and instead be a good slave and own my two arms ? 1374044;1453001258;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373346 << if you have a box with gcc5, just format the hdd and start over, sanely 1374045;1453001258;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:51; mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1': 1374046;1453001262;mircea_popescu;imbecile with rotating lights. 1374047;1453001281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not ~you~, but ~normal person~ 1374048;1453001283;asciilifeform;without dirigible. 1374049;1453001286;mircea_popescu;bullshit. 1374050;1453001297;asciilifeform;i fully expect to be robbed of everything 1374051;1453001299;raedah;asciilifeform, backpacking in US northwest forests is nice. refreshing, lots of streams for water, beautiful changing landscapes to show you different facets of what is possible. 1374052;1453001304;asciilifeform;and to not be able to do a lick to stop it 1374053;1453001416;mircea_popescu;did you just ignorantly substitute an ought for an is or was it actually deliberate ? 1374054;1453001422;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2014#855658 1374055;1453001422;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log. 1374056;1453001422;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2014 20:53:10; assbot: BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit | Dell SecureWorks 1374057;1453001436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai wut 1374058;1453001444;mircea_popescu;he is saying that you OUGHT NOT own capital. 1374059;1453001468;mircea_popescu;this is a substantially different statement from your "i expect it won't work". 1374060;1453001469;asciilifeform;he is saying, or so i read, 'if you are a typical small person you are defenseless and will be raped, so have a very small cunt with spikes' 1374061;1453001477;mircea_popescu;not for one second. 1374062;1453001486;asciilifeform;then i must be thick. 1374063;1453001509;mircea_popescu;he is saying what orlov is saying, and what yarvin is saying, and what generally the castrated son of a stupid anglo whore is always fucking saying 1374064;1453001515;mircea_popescu;and im geting well sick of hearing it. 1374065;1453001567;mircea_popescu;whether you personally will or will not be able to defend your capital has no bearing on whether you OUGHT to accumulate capital. 1374066;1453001576;mircea_popescu;zero. nada. zilch. 1374067;1453001594;mircea_popescu;the pretense to the contrary is what fucking created, and what fucking maintains, the miserable situation under which you belabour. 1374068;1453001604;asciilifeform;but is the choice between 'accumulate capital' and 'smoke dope' ? or is it about ~what kind~ of capital 1374069;1453001605;mircea_popescu;or, perhaps more accurately, what feeds the swam in which you wallow. 1374070;1453001614;mircea_popescu;there is NO KINDS OF CAPITAL!!1 1374071;1453001639;mircea_popescu;"is the choice between being a priss or getting laid, or is the choice between what ~kind~ of getting laid ? maybe i'm getting laid with jesus!" 1374072;1453001651;asciilifeform;gonna tell me that a sawmill is the same as knowing-how-to-remove-appendix ? 1374073;1453001655;mircea_popescu;yeah, im sure you're alt-getting laid and christian rock rules. 1374074;1453001683;mircea_popescu;"knowing how to" fill the fucking paperwork and ask for permission. 1374075;1453001687;mircea_popescu;get the fuck outta here. 1374076;1453001715;asciilifeform;but actually kreinin is getting one thing catastrophically wrong, it is entirely possible to get dekulakized ~out of one's profession~ 1374077;1453001719;asciilifeform;e.g., both of my parents were. 1374078;1453001727;mircea_popescu;doh. 1374079;1453001757;mircea_popescu;but see... he has the capital of knowing how to... uhhh... oh i know, misrepresent his vices as virtues! 1374080;1453001762;asciilifeform;so with this dawning on me, i can't defend the rest of the piece, it sorta blows in pieces in the wind. 1374081;1453001762;mircea_popescu;such capitool. 1374082;1453001787;asciilifeform;sorta like that skinless chick 1374083;1453001794;asciilifeform;from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week 1374084;1453001821;asciilifeform;the one in the skinning machine 1374085;1453002142;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373434 << while this is a correct description, i would also like to add that a ~correct~ vtron is also defined as being SPECIFICALLY NOT THIS : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370325 1374086;1453002142;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 22:31:04; mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch. 1374087;1453002142;assbot;Logged on 14-01-2016 21:23:18; ascii_butugychag: https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story 1374088;1453002175;asciilifeform;if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !! 1374089;1453002197;asciilifeform;and if i include ALL DEPENDENCIES it should take no more than a day to read. 1374090;1453002213;asciilifeform;(which, of course, would mean that a correct vtron does not presently exist...) 1374091;1453002366;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373654 << anybody ever read kornbluth's short story 'marching morons' ? 1374092;1453002366;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:41; jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt. 1374093;1453002447;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373684 << iirc putin is giving out phreeeee land there (encumbered with must-build-house and no-sale-for-xx-years conditions, but still) 1374094;1453002447;assbot;Logged on 16-01-2016 23:56:52; pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has. 1374095;1453002573;BingoBoingo;!s keccak 1374096;1453002574;assbot;3 results for 'keccak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keccak 1374097;1453002585;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1373746 1374098;1453002585;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak. 1374099;1453002787;BingoBoingo;From mines: https://archive.is/CkspO "On the one hand he has done some good work with BitcoinJ, Lighthouse etc. Certainly his choice of bloom filter has had a net negative effect on the privacy of SPV users" 1374100;1453002788;assbot;The Mike Hearn Show: Season Finale (and Bitcoin Classic: Series Premiere) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVuq2t ) 1374101;1453002873;thestringpuller;Isn't BitcoinJ the thing that lame android client used? That thing was buggy as hell and like 15 different distros of android caused the wallet to leak keys. 1374102;1453002924;BingoBoingo;yeah 1374103;1453002932;BingoBoingo;Created by Hearnia 1374104;1453002965;thestringpuller;Hearnia's site is gettin ddosed it looks like. 1374105;1453002971;thestringpuller;Can't even get to home page 1374106;1453002986;thestringpuller;either that or he took it down as part of ragequit 1374107;1453003171;BingoBoingo;!up jixei 1374108;1453003191;BingoBoingo;Hello jixei what bring you around these parts? 1374109;1453003263;jixei;Searching for intelligent life. My immediately surrounding company has been disappointing. 1374110;1453003352;ben_vulpes;more new faces? 1374111;1453003393;*;ben_vulpes at office, fixing fancy couch $bzprtnr bought a year ago 1374112;1453003420;ben_vulpes;one of those interesting $50 now or $2500 in three week problems i can solve due to hilariously checkered background 1374113;1453003521;BingoBoingo;jixei: I see, care to give us a little bit of your history? 1374114;1453003662;mircea_popescu;!up jixei 1374115;1453003692;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i thought you were at orifice, at first. 1374116;1453003701;jixei;Not to be rude, but I think I'm just going to lurk. Thank you for your inspiration. 1374117;1453003712;mircea_popescu;lurking's always the higher road. 1374118;1453003907;jixei;I thought being prepared at any moment to stand up for what you believe in was the higher road. But the impasses have been many. 1374119;1453003921;BingoBoingo;jixei: Rude is often welcome here. But lurking is fine too. 1374120;1453004022;mod6;<+asciilifeform> if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !! << any ideas on a correct implementation? 1374121;1453004033;mod6;or suggested lang? 1374122;1453004082;mircea_popescu;jixei well no, that's the narrower road. 1374123;1453004089;mircea_popescu;many roads! 1374124;1453004370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2067 @ 0.0005235 = 1.0821 BTC [+] 1374125;1453004675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00052391 = 3.9031 BTC [+] {2} 1374126;1453004799;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1374127;1453004806;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2547.2, vol: 98294.14320000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2547.2 1374128;1453004812;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1374129;1453004821;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.54, vol: 23634.15493557 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.851, vol: 21044.74759 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 385.58, vol: 55879.97188189 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.30632189 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.879163, vol: 98285.26020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 385.06, vol: 496.21416148 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.692543989, vol: 185.97494102 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1374130;1453004980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @ 0.00052493 = 1.0541 BTC [+] {3} 1374131;1453005050;BingoBoingo;;;more 1374132;1453005050;gribble;average: 386.077839035 1374133;1453005468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00052605 = 2.3672 BTC [+] {4} 1374134;1453005535;BingoBoingo;!up jixei 1374135;1453005834;pete_dushenski;this peanut butter chocolate cheesecake is a bit disappointing. icing is too sweet and it's not "cheezy" enough. more like an ultra-rich, ultra-dense, slightly creamier cake than you'd otherwise expect. the most impressive thing about this cake was the sheer mass. the box must've been 20 lbs for a 10"er. 1374136;1453005918;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373766 << unreliable and then tbtf. no fucking components supplier should be that goddam big 1374137;1453005918;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:37:01; mircea_popescu: they're as unreliable as they fucking get. 1374138;1453005928;pete_dushenski;and yet, here we are. 1374139;1453005956;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373776 << sounds perfectly reasonable. 1374140;1453005956;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:42:12; mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore. 1374141;1453006021;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << that's a point. i'm not actually sure wtf i was thinking 1374142;1453006021;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything. 1374143;1453006023;pete_dushenski;!s nothing works 1374144;1453006024;assbot;60 results for 'nothing works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nothing+works 1374145;1453006075;danielpbarron;yes 1374146;1453006088;danielpbarron;yes 1374147;1453006115;danielpbarron;whoops, macro gone awry there heh 1374148;1453006215;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/wuPNsW.png 1374149;1453006216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPbtN ) 1374150;1453006221;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373819 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131044 1374151;1453006221;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:08:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut 1374152;1453006221;assbot;Logged on 13-05-2015 22:13:18; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ? 1374153;1453006345;pete_dushenski;perhaps i read too much into that question, but the idea that one would need to specifically name future miners and their means and methods seemed (and seems) a bit silly to me. they, whoever they are, will find a way, because how not ? 1374154;1453006394;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373825 << aha. so do i. one of the few pieces of useful relic software i have kicking about. 1374155;1453006394;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:09:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here 1374156;1453006407;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something. 1374157;1453006428;mod6;thanks in advance 1374158;1453006484;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373837 << i guess i'm thinking more into the 30s then, and along the lines of the Sikorsky S-42, eg. http://cruiselinehistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PanAm_S40B_Sikorsky.jpeg 1374159;1453006484;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:11:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time 1374160;1453006486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPnt9 ) 1374161;1453006554;pete_dushenski;these were evidently a first-class mode of transport, substantially more expensive to own and operate than a car, and not, to my eye, made of cardboard (though planes a decade earlier were, by and large) 1374162;1453006797;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373841 << indeed. and we're imagining a world where cars ~at present~ function as airplanes ~once did~, merely to demonstrate the existence and advantages of specific types of economic organisation. 1374163;1453006797;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:12:24; asciilifeform: today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate 1374164;1453006810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00052633 = 1.3421 BTC [+] 1374165;1453006828;pete_dushenski;no one's claiming that flying and driving and living and breathing under usg don't blow dead bears. 1374166;1453006871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052837 = 1.3209 BTC [+] {2} 1374167;1453006907;BingoBoingo;Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because itd be too hard on his health/body http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA " 1374168;1453006908;assbot;Christian Bale Exits Michael Mann’s ‘Enzo Ferrari,’ Balks At Weight Gain | Deadline ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPEMJ ) 1374169;1453006954;ben_vulpes;> plum role 1374170;1453006983;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/mlH8jj.jpg 1374171;1453006984;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPIfo ) 1374172;1453006992;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move. 1374173;1453006992;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:14:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either) 1374174;1453007094;pete_dushenski;https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ? 1374175;1453007095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPRiX ) 1374176;1453007103;BingoBoingo;Not International cxt. International harvester scout. 1374177;1453007116;pete_dushenski;^or that 1374178;1453007138;BingoBoingo;harvester scout for surfaces more hostile than the roads they were 1374179;1453007276;ben_vulpes;!rate punindented -1 unwelcome here 1374180;1453007277;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c146a772e789a4bb 1374181;1453007298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2984 @ 0.00052865 = 1.5775 BTC [+] {2} 1374182;1453007307;ben_vulpes;!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.punindented.-1:fdd8264a25a95bfb8946055ada53326a3a54a99c6cf8594b6f5effcaae04d145 1374183;1453007308;assbot;Successfully added a rating of -1 for punindented with note: unwelcome here 1374184;1453007345;ben_vulpes;punindented: you may continue this conversation here 1374185;1453007354;ben_vulpes;!up punindented 1374186;1453007382;punindented;!down punindented 1374187;1453007414;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373858 << high-end coach then. no difference. and neither ferrari building nor coach building requires or required "the skills" of "the people". such nonsense. 1374188;1453007414;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850. 1374189;1453007414;ben_vulpes;so that's one of the four new faces 1374190;1453007443;ben_vulpes;how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities? 1374191;1453007445;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373865 << also garbage. ferrari "needs" led lights like it needs a hybrid engine. wtf. 1374192;1453007445;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:17:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota. 1374193;1453007451;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: RE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back. 1374194;1453007473;thestringpuller;Worst case scenario* 1374195;1453007479;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: So what was so irritating it had to happen in a pm conversation? 1374196;1453007584;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: 'twas so banal as to be entirely unremarkable 1374197;1453007594;ben_vulpes;should punindented come back, it must be on his knees. 1374198;1453007610;BingoBoingo;I see 1374199;1453007641;ben_vulpes;i don't extend the robert viragh s of the world nearly so much rope as i did before 1374200;1453007657;ben_vulpes;once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves 1374201;1453007672;ben_vulpes;but now i am a man and i hang fools by my own hand 1374202;1453007689;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model. 1374203;1453007689;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp. 1374204;1453007718;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: He linked me a dpaste. Solid decision. 1374205;1453007898;ben_vulpes;where'd it cut off? 1374206;1453007922;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores. 1374207;1453007922;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead 1374208;1453007941;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians. 1374209;1453007980;*;pete_dushenski doesn't know. hasn't been to brunei. 1374210;1453007982;ben_vulpes;adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding. 1374211;1453007997;ben_vulpes;buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot. 1374212;1453008037;pete_dushenski;i'm tempted to call that more 'traditionalist' 1374213;1453008063;pete_dushenski;which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one 1374214;1453008110;pete_dushenski;even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores. 1374215;1453008282;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373877 << these were entirely unrelated parts of the zil factory afaik. only reason "zil" was chosen was that b wanted to shine a positive light on the company, like bahamas does with cadillac. not like it matters whether 'beast' shares parts with gmc trucks. hell it probably wouldn't break down in the middle of diplomatic missions if it were a custom job ! 1374216;1453008282;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:20:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks 1374217;1453008402;BingoBoingo; where'd it cut off? << before I anticipate he got really verbose 1374218;1453008816;thestringpuller;jstolfi's response to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41agss/calling_on_the_core_devs_to_change_their_pow/ 1374219;1453010104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052343 = 1.3086 BTC [-] {3} 1374220;1453010287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4070 @ 0.00052109 = 2.1208 BTC [-] 1374221;1453010367;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373964 << there were dozens of ~electric~ carmakers at the turn of the 20th century, nevermind the hundreds of gas-powered ones. 1374222;1453010367;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 02:36:50; asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890. 1374223;1453010382;pete_dushenski;in related travell nyooz, http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/fowl-therapy-airline-lets-passenger-bring-turkey-on-flight-as-emotional-support-animal&pubdate=2016-01-16 1374224;1453010383;assbot;Fowl therapy: Airline lets passenger bring turkey on flight as ‘emotional support animal’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVG4um ) 1374225;1453010476;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/TeE8qfz http://i.imgur.com/7hMsbW1.jpg << because in the race to the bottom, it's zero one infinity. next you'll have down syndromers flying transatlantic routes. 1374226;1453010476;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVGd0J ) 1374227;1453010477;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVGelc ) 1374228;1453010885;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374083 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-01-2016#1363788 1374229;1453010885;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 03:36:34; asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week 1374230;1453010885;assbot;Logged on 09-01-2016 01:59:10; mircea_popescu: here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif 1374231;1453011660;phf;so running linux on macbook pro is all kinds of fun. there's about 50 files exposed in /sys and /proc that control intimate details of the laptop's operation. 1374232;1453011676;phf; like for example controls over the ability to not overheat like crazy and drain battery in half hour. 1374233;1453011789;phf;but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions." 1374234;1453011995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8661 @ 0.00052053 = 4.5083 BTC [-] {3} 1374235;1453012040;phf;who would've thought that linux ecosystem could've gotten worse since last time i checked.. 1374236;1453012063;BingoBoingo;seriously 1374237;1453012605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00052045 = 1.3532 BTC [-] 1374238;1453013459;BingoBoingo;Oh deedbot down: http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-feeling-pain-below-the-corn-belt/ 1374239;1453013459;assbot;Fiat Feeling Pain Below The Corn Belt | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtkMEG ) 1374240;1453014053;ben_vulpes;phf: funny you should mention this 1374241;1453014067;ben_vulpes;what kind of linux, what kind of mbp? 1374242;1453014157;ben_vulpes;i'm playing openbsd quest most recently, as openbsd didn't do drivers or reference implementation compilation 1374243;1453014160;ben_vulpes;er 1374244;1453014171;ben_vulpes;i'm playing *gentoo quest* most recently... 1374245;1453014185;ben_vulpes;sorry, $client left many bottles of homemade kahlua at the office 1374246;1453014237;BingoBoingo;lol 1374247;1453014284;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: the fiat involvement is not clear 1374248;1453014294;ben_vulpes;oh wait this is fiat currency not fiat cars 1374249;1453014298;BingoBoingo;Yeah 1374250;1453014308;ben_vulpes;sorry, the relentless carblogger threads have me twisted 1374251;1453014312;BingoBoingo;lol 1374252;1453014316;ben_vulpes;srsly not the kahlua 1374253;1453014355;BingoBoingo;These things happen 1374254;1453014564;phf;ben_vulpes: macbookpro early 2011 (i believe it's 8,2) 1374255;1453014623;phf;my standard machine, basically 1374256;1453014702;phf;i tried openbsd on it, but it wouldn't even boot. i'm pretty sure it's an issue with integrated/discrete video cards 1374257;1453014819;phf;i'm running slackware on it :> 1374258;1453014856;ben_vulpes;great vintage 1374259;1453014878;ben_vulpes;mine did obsd just fine, didn't want to accelerate videocards though 1374260;1453014928;phf;accelerate? what you trying to watch cat videos? i've only gotten as far as having emacs running on console 1374261;1453014945;ben_vulpes;i had emacs in x11 1374262;1453014957;BingoBoingo;A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)" 1374263;1453014973;ben_vulpes;exwm and the reference implementation are ~90% of my current compute goals 1374264;1453015036;BingoBoingo;f2pool's bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13571787#msg13571787 1374265;1453015038;assbot;「魚池」BTC:180 Phash/s - LTC:550 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtmnKV ) 1374266;1453015079;BingoBoingo;"We do not believe the concept of fee market" 1374267;1453015100;phf;i'm planning on staying in console until i figure out how to make base hardware behave 1374268;1453015177;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel? 1374269;1453015256;BingoBoingo;!up snuffy 1374270;1453015327;BingoBoingo;Hello snuffy, care to introduce yourself? 1374271;1453015364;snuffy;just lurking... 1374272;1453015391;BingoBoingo;k 1374273;1453015429;BingoBoingo;What brings you around to these parts? 1374274;1453015807;ben_vulpes;> fee market 1374275;1453016681;BingoBoingo;feet market 1374276;1453016718;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/lightning-network-code-finally-public/ 1374277;1453016719;assbot;Lightning Network Code Finally Public | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1n42rRQ ) 1374278;1453017363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00052068 = 5.4151 BTC [-] {2} 1374279;1453018278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052045 = 2.3941 BTC [-] 1374280;1453019315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00052572 = 1.7874 BTC [+] {2} 1374281;1453020413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00052213 = 1.7491 BTC [-] 1374282;1453021460;BingoBoingo;!up punindented 1374283;1453021522;ben_vulpes;meet farket 1374284;1453021715;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3663 1374285;1453021716;assbot;JL: ‘Be An Asshole’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6L5xi ) 1374286;1453022091;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 1374287;1453022092;assbot;JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep ) 1374288;1453022182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0005205 = 1.4834 BTC [-] 1374289;1453022731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00052468 = 3.0956 BTC [+] {2} 1374290;1453023158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2559 @ 0.00052062 = 1.3323 BTC [-] {3} 1374291;1453024500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00052045 = 2.7324 BTC [-] 1374292;1453025720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052577 = 1.9979 BTC [+] {5} 1374293;1453026026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00052058 = 3.2016 BTC [-] {4} 1374294;1453027001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052487 = 1.0235 BTC [+] 1374295;1453027245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00052599 = 1.6816 BTC [+] {2} 1374296;1453027733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3547 @ 0.00052852 = 1.8747 BTC [+] 1374297;1453027983;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373724 << you forgot creators 1374298;1453027983;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter. 1374299;1453028902;thestringpuller;Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." 1374300;1453029014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00052881 = 3.4135 BTC [+] {3} 1374301;1453029319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00052931 = 2.4348 BTC [+] {6} 1374302;1453029807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00053037 = 1.485 BTC [+] 1374303;1453030173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00053037 = 2.4927 BTC [+] 1374304;1453030417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00052645 = 2.7902 BTC [-] {2} 1374305;1453030905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2779 @ 0.00052645 = 1.463 BTC [-] 1374306;1453031027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5976 @ 0.00052894 = 3.1609 BTC [+] {2} 1374307;1453031149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00052645 = 1.6583 BTC [-] {2} 1374308;1453031881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2883 @ 0.00052497 = 1.5135 BTC [-] {4} 1374309;1453031942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2078 @ 0.00052045 = 1.0815 BTC [-] 1374310;1453035240;mircea_popescu;!up unkster 1374311;1453035541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0005208 = 2.9165 BTC [+] 1374312;1453035770;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 <<< for interview purposes? 1374313;1453035770;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel? 1374314;1453036029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052797 = 2.5343 BTC [+] {2} 1374315;1453037012;mircea_popescu;!up p15x 1374316;1453037249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00052045 = 1.7956 BTC [-] 1374317;1453037737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00052124 = 1.9286 BTC [+] 1374318;1453038836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00052045 = 2.8104 BTC [-] 1374319;1453040299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00052124 = 1.3292 BTC [+] 1374320;1453040650;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 isn't scrypt memory-hard? 1374321;1453040650;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that. 1374322;1453040684;mircea_popescu;technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either. 1374323;1453040696;mircea_popescu;i'm not particularly convinced this would solve anything, also. 1374324;1453040916;punkman;memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next. 1374325;1453042080;adlai;fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space) 1374326;1453042139;adlai;https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/search/?q=proof+of+storage 1374327;1453042140;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzs57Q ) 1374328;1453042190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00052248 = 3.0304 BTC [+] {5} 1374329;1453042519;mircea_popescu;;;ud TSMC 1374330;1453042519;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TSMC | ... Serbian · Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for TSMC yet. Can you define it? 1374331;1453042528;mircea_popescu;remind me, what was this ? 1374332;1453043097;punkman;Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited 1374333;1453043166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3356 @ 0.00052045 = 1.7466 BTC [-] {2} 1374334;1453043593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4416 @ 0.00052045 = 2.2983 BTC [-] 1374335;1453043840;mircea_popescu;ah. 1374336;1453043849;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, stranding the miners is an important reserve power. 1374337;1453043864;mircea_popescu;schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that. 1374338;1453045913;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so Luke-Jr isn't all bad? 1374339;1453045928;mircea_popescu;nobody is ALL bad. 1374340;1453045949;thestringpuller;i never took you for an optimist 1374341;1453046082;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_shmoocon 1374342;1453046083;thestringpuller;punkman: direct access to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400% 1374343;1453046088;mircea_popescu;you still shmooing ? 1374344;1453046100;thestringpuller;or at least the initial investment 1374345;1453046108;ascii_shmoocon;reporting live from snorefest!!!1111 1374346;1453046118;thestringpuller;did you got the big data hacking panel? 1374347;1453046141;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's. 1374348;1453046155;mircea_popescu;"these people'd be a lot more interested if they tried cooking naked." 1374349;1453046187;ascii_shmoocon;aha it was surprisingly nonlame. turns out that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps that crash it. 1374350;1453046194;ascii_shmoocon;dragonfly. 1374351;1453046207;mircea_popescu;heh. 1374352;1453046255;ascii_shmoocon;lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary 1374353;1453046268;ascii_shmoocon;poor bastards 1374354;1453046354;ascii_shmoocon;and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist' 1374355;1453046374;ascii_shmoocon;managed to say absolutely nothing. 1374356;1453046402;mircea_popescu;you're enjoying yourself aren't you. 1374357;1453046452;ascii_shmoocon;the crackpot group theory cipher thing yesterday was lulzy 1374358;1453046494;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack). 1374359;1453046507;ascii_shmoocon;and i now have what is quite likely a lifetime supply of keychain 1374360;1453046545;ascii_shmoocon;thestringpull: not spoof - crash 1374361;1453046557;thestringpuller;HAHA! That's even better. 1374362;1453046651;ascii_shmoocon;next up, some woman re: mesh nets 1374363;1453046662;mircea_popescu;as in stockings ? 1374364;1453046684;ascii_shmoocon;the other sort 1374365;1453046700;mircea_popescu;for hair ?! 1374366;1453046707;mircea_popescu;i thought those went out of fashion. 1374367;1453046758;ascii_shmoocon;nm, 'software defined networks ', buzzword hell 1374368;1453046785;thestringpuller;Peter Todd on why soft forks are awesome! >> https://petertodd.org/2016/soft-forks-are-safer-than-hard-forks 1374369;1453046807;thestringpuller;"An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh. 1374370;1453046814;mircea_popescu;"fucking a ten dollar hooker in the cunt is safer than fucking her in the ass". 1374371;1453046834;thestringpuller;Seems like that PoW-change nuke is a good nuke to have. 1374372;1453046893;ascii_shmoocon;who has it though?? 1374373;1453046939;ascii_shmoocon;say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? 1374374;1453046948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5823 @ 0.00052769 = 3.0727 BTC [+] {3} 1374375;1453046965;ascii_shmoocon;am i thick? 1374376;1453047113;thestringpuller;nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason. 1374377;1453047165;ascii_shmoocon;that's not the issue, but the ~how??~ 1374378;1453047235;thestringpuller;i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes" 1374379;1453047259;thestringpuller;except for fact all water is irradiated at that point. 1374380;1453047312;ascii_shmoocon;the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is... 1374381;1453047319;ascii_shmoocon;ft meade 1374382;1453047381;ascii_shmoocon;in other nyoooz, somebody is already... snoring 1374383;1453047477;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people" 1374384;1453047515;ascii_shmoocon;I'm genuinely curious, how this'd work 1374385;1453047543;mircea_popescu;so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp., 1374386;1453047549;ascii_shmoocon;ftr I despise miners 1374387;1453047593;ascii_shmoocon;their existence is a bug. 1374388;1453047606;ascii_shmoocon;esp. pools. 1374389;1453047611;mircea_popescu;heh. 1374390;1453047685;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face. 1374391;1453047706;mircea_popescu;yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology. 1374392;1453047713;ascii_shmoocon;which this 1374393;1453047739;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca. 1374394;1453047758;ascii_shmoocon;that ain't going anywhere anytime 1374395;1453047768;mircea_popescu;quite. 1374396;1453047884;thestringpuller;a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization 1374397;1453047931;thestringpuller;and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery. 1374398;1453047934;thestringpuller;!up ascii_shmoocon 1374399;1453047962;thestringpuller;only those in the cartel are "somewhat profitable". 1374400;1453047975;ascii_shmoocon;i said from day 1, it makes no sense to ~sell- miners. 1374401;1453047988;mircea_popescu;depends to whom,. 1374402;1453047999;mircea_popescu;it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots. 1374403;1453048010;ascii_shmoocon;certainly not ones that work. 1374404;1453048025;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication. 1374405;1453048034;ascii_shmoocon;duds, to avaricious idiots? yes 1374406;1453048057;thestringpuller;instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads. 1374407;1453048102;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: and this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding. 1374408;1453048132;ascii_shmoocon;fat lotta good it will do 1374409;1453048160;thestringpuller;none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter. 1374410;1453048261;ascii_shmoocon;also making jets is trivial compared to ic fab. 1374411;1453048351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00052168 = 2.9736 BTC [-] {2} 1374412;1453048358;ascii_shmoocon;aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism. 1374413;1453048403;thestringpuller;so lets annex taiwan? 1374414;1453048424;ascii_shmoocon;for so long as somebody can cream you in production chain, he owns you 1374415;1453048463;mircea_popescu;you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners. 1374416;1453048510;ascii_shmoocon;didja invent a means of dispensing with miners? I'm all ears 1374417;1453049047;ascii_shmoocon;i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz... 1374418;1453049062;ascii_shmoocon;*mp transacts 1374419;1453049119;mircea_popescu;eh it's all there, no invention needed. 1374420;1453049123;jurov;imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one that changes often, unpredictably and substantially 1374421;1453049138;ascii_shmoocon;and I admit that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day 1374422;1453049183;mircea_popescu;jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded. 1374423;1453049239;jurov;if what were the case? 1374424;1453049261;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need. 1374425;1453049266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3990 @ 0.00052894 = 2.1105 BTC [+] {2} 1374426;1453049281;mircea_popescu;jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented to mining 1374427;1453049291;ascii_shmoocon;also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return ticket 1374428;1453049377;jurov;yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly 1374429;1453049419;ascii_shmoocon;no it is inherently 'fried ice' 1374430;1453049445;ascii_shmoocon;'varies but not enough to perma-hose diff' 1374431;1453049450;mircea_popescu;haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ? 1374432;1453049489;ascii_shmoocon;and that. go, invent... 1374433;1453049550;mircea_popescu;there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone 1374434;1453049562;mircea_popescu;they go for the whole nine years, they're gonna make a clay divinity! 1374435;1453049585;jurov;well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm" 1374436;1453049593;jurov;*count of 1374437;1453049615;mircea_popescu;why waste the asking. 1374438;1453049622;mircea_popescu;ask him to absolve you of von neumann sin. 1374439;1453049632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00052932 = 9.369 BTC [+] {7} 1374440;1453049655;jurov;yeaaa...and symbolics sin and ... 1374441;1453049669;jurov;babbage and turing and... 1374442;1453049676;mircea_popescu;i meant something specific. 1374443;1453049738;mircea_popescu;!s "living, of course, in a state of sin" 1374444;1453049739;assbot;0 results for '"living, of course, in a state of sin"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22living%2C+of+course%2C+in+a+state+of+sin%22 1374445;1453049748;ascii_shmoocon;perelman does not absolve. only - damns. 1374446;1453049748;mircea_popescu;heh. WHAT USE ARE YOU, O LOGS! 1374447;1453049763;mircea_popescu;lol. 1374448;1453049765;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_shmoocon 1374449;1453049767;thestringpuller;asc 1374450;1453049779;ascii_shmoocon;!s state of sin 1374451;1453049780;assbot;13 results for 'state of sin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=state+of+sin 1374452;1453049789;jurov;von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough. 1374453;1453049808;jurov;and maybe not 1374454;1453049832;mircea_popescu;we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not. 1374455;1453049837;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: is it still problem is "sane" person owns production? 1374456;1453049840;ascii_shmoocon;you know this reminds me of amateur crypto 1374457;1453049876;ascii_shmoocon;'hey, this Algorithm confyoozd -me-, it is good...' 1374458;1453049884;jurov;kek 1374459;1453049964;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: cause right now it seems production is held by incompetent cartel, which is why I said it'd be less of problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face. 1374460;1453049986;jurov;for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway 1374461;1453050010;jurov;i want infinite count of proven assymetric functions!!!! 1374462;1453050012;ascii_shmoocon;pray to satan against -competent- one 1374463;1453050024;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses. 1374464;1453050042;mircea_popescu;ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D 1374465;1453050047;thestringpuller;jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no? thus at some point it will necesarily change. 1374466;1453050053;mircea_popescu;jurov that's not necessarily a bad thing to want, on its own. 1374467;1453050070;thestringpuller;ascii_shmoocon: competent one does not have === anti-christ 1374468;1453050084;mircea_popescu;very valid place to invest a life in quite respectable research. 1374469;1453050115;ascii_shmoocon;sorta what i do 1374470;1453050191;jurov;!up DerpUnion 1374471;1453050327;DerpUnion;are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic 1374472;1453050366;DerpUnion;and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping them clean off their bitcoins 1374473;1453050426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2334 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2176 BTC [-] {2} 1374474;1453050494;mircea_popescu;!down DerpUnion 1374475;1453050608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00053038 = 1.6665 BTC [+] {2} 1374476;1453050732;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374174 << the part where they're all siliconed. 1374477;1453050732;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 05:04:54; pete_dushenski: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ? 1374478;1453050974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2479 @ 0.00052168 = 1.2932 BTC [-] {2} 1374479;1453051071;mircea_popescu;"Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners. 1374480;1453051071;mircea_popescu;The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite." 1374481;1453051073;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1374482;1453051083;mircea_popescu;yeah, TOTALLY that's what happened. 1374483;1453051138;mircea_popescu;did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ? 1374484;1453051586;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374262 <<< the link to "we just read some words mp said" being lost to "everyone", of course. 1374485;1453051586;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 07:15:57; BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)" 1374486;1453051592;mircea_popescu;just more things that never occurred. 1374487;1453051845;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << done 1374488;1453051845;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel? 1374489;1453052010;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting 1374490;1453052010;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." 1374491;1453052010;mircea_popescu;prunes until their gullet's deeply satisfied. 1374492;1453052118;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear. 1374493;1453052580;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t 1374494;1453052582;assbot;JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep ) 1374495;1453052582;mircea_popescu;o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only. 1374496;1453052601;mircea_popescu;but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes. 1374497;1453052663;mircea_popescu;"cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries. 1374498;1453052800;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0219CV4.txt 1374499;1453052801;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1374500;1453053694;shinohai;;;blocks 1374501;1453053694;gribble;393721 1374502;1453053706;shinohai;< 1k to go \o/ 1374503;1453053707;mircea_popescu;trinque o look de bot is gone ? 1374504;1453054138;jurov;!up ascii_rear 1374505;1453054248;ascii_rear;sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing 1374506;1453054271;mircea_popescu;!up wangchun 1374507;1453054271;ascii_rear;but on the whole, mega-snorecon 1374508;1453054287;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ? 1374509;1453054289;ascii_rear;c---, unrecommend 1374510;1453054296;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative. 1374511;1453054296;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel? 1374512;1453054315;ascii_rear;it is 30 yr sop 1374513;1453054349;ascii_rear;ancient modemz, electromechanical switch, etc 1374514;1453054375;ascii_rear;mega-unsurpise. 1374515;1453054393;ascii_rear;unsurprise 1374516;1453054592;ascii_rear;but... but.. i got a.. can opener. 1374517;1453054602;trinque;mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works. 1374518;1453054619;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear wait wut ? 1374519;1453054625;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374510 <<< btctalk message sent, awaiting reply. 1374520;1453054625;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 18:11:36; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative. 1374521;1453054625;trinque;I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck. 1374522;1453054629;trinque;just gotta get the services rewritten 1374523;1453054630;ascii_rear;the company, however, i'd pass on 1374524;1453054662;ascii_rear;mircea_popescu: keychain 1374525;1453054677;mircea_popescu;lol. k. 1374526;1453054688;mircea_popescu;trinque cool beans. 1374527;1453055155;jurov;lol i read alf got a car opener 1374528;1453055201;jurov;which would be shocking given his strict-whitehat proclivities 1374529;1453055220;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Actually if you just want to interview and so a qntra piece that would be swell 1374530;1453055244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00052731 = 1.5556 BTC [-] 1374531;1453055312;BingoBoingo;or you too danielpbarron 1374532;1453055317;mircea_popescu;for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool. 1374533;1453055322;BingoBoingo;WHo ever he responds to 1374534;1453055643;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. 1374535;1453055643;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role 1374536;1453055690;shinohai;BingoBoingo: if he writes back sure 1374537;1453055719;shinohai;wait 1374538;1453055732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00052573 = 3.0755 BTC [-] {4} 1374539;1453055740;shinohai;"Please send your questions to admin at f2pool dot com. Thanks." macbook-air 1374540;1453055928;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Cool. It looks like you have a lead for that F2pool interview you're going to submit to Qntra. 1374541;1453055948;shinohai;> . < 1374542;1453055966;danielpbarron;heh, I got no reply 1374543;1453055972;shinohai;They seem to be going Classic no? 1374544;1453056103;BingoBoingo;shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support 1374545;1453056106;BingoBoingo;!up wangchun 1374546;1453056518;BingoBoingo;IN other news Selkis is going over to Coindesk since Silbert owns them both. 1374547;1453056661;jurov;no idea about either derp 1374548;1453056674;jurov;should i know them? 1374549;1453056684;BingoBoingo;Not really. 1374550;1453057125;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitstamp Bans Russia - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitstamp-bans-russia/ 1374551;1453057187;BingoBoingo;Doomed by politeness https://archive.is/ORTGQ 1374552;1453057188;assbot;Bitcoin Classic - Code of conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ6MBl ) 1374553;1453057225;BingoBoingo;Offensive comments related to ... body size << It's because Gavin's bulking isn't it? 1374554;1453057745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2706 @ 0.00052369 = 1.4171 BTC [+] {2} 1374555;1453057961;mod6;just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo. 1374556;1453057993;mod6;was able to build v7.10 1374557;1453058237;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1374558;1453058245;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2571.21, vol: 79290.02680000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2571.21 1374559;1453058258;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1374560;1453058264;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.28, vol: 13408.56292557 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.443, vol: 9315.19385 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.64, vol: 34099.66123462 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.40632189 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 391.732353, vol: 79280.31390000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 388.3002, vol: 284.25406211 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.8158, vol: 79.12573361 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1374561;1453058420;BingoBoingo;;;more 1374562;1453058420;gribble;389.802079088 1374563;1453058503;jurov;mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine 1374564;1453058842;punkman;does trb relay txs with op_return outputs? 1374565;1453059246;jurov;no 1374566;1453059495;mircea_popescu; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class. 1374567;1453059495;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role 1374568;1453059519;mircea_popescu;you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright. 1374569;1453059603;BingoBoingo;lol 1374570;1453059636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00053068 = 1.592 BTC [+] {4} 1374571;1453059731;*;BingoBoingo thought Lafond made it clear he exists on bottom. Only spared fatal predation so far because prickly. 1374572;1453059765;BingoBoingo;Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest 1374573;1453059941;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/vuQ9G << lulzy 1374574;1453059942;assbot;In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO ) 1374575;1453060006;jurov;would be hilarious if they reused my hack 1374576;1453060043;BingoBoingo;for srs 1374577;1453060251;BingoBoingo;!Up wang 1374578;1453060256;BingoBoingo;!up wangchun 1374579;1453060397;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeh. he was quoting some policeman dude tho 1374580;1453060443;mircea_popescu;lol bitcoin core's implementing teh b-a mempool limit stuff ? ha-ha. 1374581;1453060547;mircea_popescu;!up mynameisv 1374582;1453060734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005307 = 1.3268 BTC [+] 1374583;1453060785;mircea_popescu;here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe 1374584;1453060786;assbot;myrathe / 38 / Shih-k’eng-tzu, Taiwan | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zu8kUv ) 1374585;1453060792;mircea_popescu;first step to our own tsmc! 1374586;1453060831;thestringpuller;"What I'm doing with my life...Working in electronics company.." 1374587;1453060930;mircea_popescu;very polite, submissive girl too. 1374588;1453061161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6294 @ 0.00053089 = 3.3414 BTC [+] {3} 1374589;1453061363;ben_vulpes;mornin 1374590;1453061479;mircea_popescu;hola 1374591;1453061771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00052771 = 3.8523 BTC [-] {3} 1374592;1453064054;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine << my gentoo didn't have gdb built via portage, so when I went to build that, it blew up (re: yesterday). 1374593;1453064084;mod6;instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot 1374594;1453064101;mod6;that way i can actually debug my bitcoind with musl symbols etc. 1374595;1453064220;shinohai;I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs 1374596;1453064272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00053151 = 1.1693 BTC [-] {2} 1374597;1453064331;*;BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka 1374598;1453064421;pete_dushenski;wouldja look at that... mpex sinks 'bitcoinclassic' and mpoe bust through 53. what a coincidence :P 1374599;1453064657;BingoBoingo;power rangering on https://archive.is/t78mR 1374600;1453064658;assbot;bitcoin/release-notes.md at 0.12 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZmLiN ) 1374601;1453064739;ben_vulpes;very causation 1374602;1453064781;mats;totes 1374603;1453064796;BingoBoingo;lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code. 1374604;1453064796;BingoBoingo;BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit. 1374605;1453064797;BingoBoingo;In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam 1374606;1453064841;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners? 1374607;1453064841;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1374608;1453065011;ben_vulpes;hawala, then? 1374609;1453065126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053152 = 1.9135 BTC [+] 1374610;1453065182;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374417 1374611;1453065182;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz... 1374612;1453065209;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other. 1374613;1453065249;BingoBoingo;My how things have changed from 2014. TMSR has a fallback plan nao: Become Olympus! 1374614;1453065250;asciilifeform;and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots' 1374615;1453065291;phf;this is where it's all going, pgpgrams over gossip of v-ified ledgers 1374616;1453065344;mod6;neat 1374617;1453065344;pete_dushenski;https://github.com/bitcoin-solutions/multibit/issues/23 << itsa davout from 2012 ! 1374618;1453065345;assbot;Mandatory tx fee · Issue #23 · bitcoin-solutions/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zug2xY ) 1374619;1453065380;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i've been wondering, you ever set foot in a factory of whatever type ? 1374620;1453065391;asciilifeform;even as tourist 1374621;1453065401;pete_dushenski;boeing comes to mind 1374622;1453065405;pete_dushenski;yes 1374623;1453065423;asciilifeform;aha! good. do you recall the tooling ? 1374624;1453065443;asciilifeform;the materials ? 1374625;1453065455;pete_dushenski;sure... 1374626;1453065483;asciilifeform;what do you suppose a tungsten carbide endmill would cost if created by hand in quantity of three ? 1374627;1453065500;phf;(what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..") 1374628;1453065512;asciilifeform;phf: you know very well what happened 1374629;1453065524;phf;:( 1374630;1453065543;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i suppose they'd be more expensive, perhaps even too expensive to cost-effectively use. 1374631;1453065555;asciilifeform;'perhaps' l0l 1374632;1453065650;pete_dushenski;you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter. 1374633;1453065678;pete_dushenski;have you no faith in human ingenuity ? 1374634;1453065686;asciilifeform;to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr. 1374635;1453065749;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: myes, i can see this 1374636;1453065751;asciilifeform;i would like to watch pete_dushenski make a piston for his mercedes without carbide tooling 1374637;1453065758;asciilifeform;or to drive same mercedes on ru mud road 1374638;1453065758;ben_vulpes;aha carbides 1374639;1453065782;asciilifeform;(where german tanks sank into the earth) 1374640;1453065786;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: if faced with ru roads, i'd drive g-wagon, as ru'ians do. 1374641;1453065804;pete_dushenski;i live in paved arctic, so drive s-class 1374642;1453065810;ben_vulpes;anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram 1374643;1453065825;ben_vulpes;ofc one could also do entirely away with the 'cc' part. 1374644;1453065842;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but that's perfectly pedestrian 'mad max' remnants-of-the-old, rather than ab initio 'for the 15k!1111' 1374645;1453065844;ben_vulpes;gotta kill the megastates first though. 1374646;1453065861;BingoBoingo;Moar on NODE_BLOOM service bit https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0111.mediawiki 1374647;1453065862;assbot;bips/bip-0111.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugOLr ) 1374648;1453065885;ben_vulpes;yeah well who knows how the trajectory actually draws through the possibility space 1374649;1453065898;BingoBoingo;"In initial implementations, old nodes which are not yet aware of NODE_BLOOM and use a protocol version < 70011 may still send filter messages to a node without NODE_BLOOM. This feature may be removed after there are sufficient NODE_BLOOM nodes available and SPV clients have upgraded, allowing node operators to fully close the bloom-related DoS vectors." 1374650;1453065899;asciilifeform;we can say a few meaningful things about where it WON'T go 1374651;1453065905;asciilifeform;because those are the lands of magical pixies 1374652;1453065922;asciilifeform;like the one where semiconductors are made out of horse shit in medieval castles 1374653;1453065938;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/weathercock/ 1374654;1453065939;assbot;"Weathercock" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugUmk ) 1374655;1453065953;asciilifeform;or where handmade mercedes drives 100 miles WITHOUT needing new piston rings 1374656;1453065964;asciilifeform;and without shaking the oh-precious princess therein, to death 1374657;1453065971;*;ben_vulpes once attempted to fab a piston 1374658;1453065994;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha! and it ran ? for how long ? 1374659;1453066004;ben_vulpes;didn't! at all! 1374660;1453066008;ben_vulpes;like everything else i do. 1374661;1453066014;pete_dushenski;lol 1374662;1453066020;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja lap it ? 1374663;1453066036;*;ben_vulpes regards the vast pile of oddities that sorta-worked 1374664;1453066043;ben_vulpes;actually the waste oil furnace was pretty good 1374665;1453066056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what was it, stirling engine ? 1374666;1453066078;ben_vulpes;piston or furnace? 1374667;1453066109;asciilifeform;either 1374668;1453066129;ben_vulpes;piston was for lulzy undergraduate water cooled lfr engine design with reciprocating pistons to pressurize fuel lines 1374669;1453066148;ben_vulpes;learned that turbo machinery is clearly the correct solution 1374670;1453066159;ben_vulpes;furnace was for heating warehouse where i was working 1374671;1453066176;asciilifeform;and why waste oil 1374672;1453066182;asciilifeform;neighbours had it ? 1374673;1453066187;ben_vulpes;there was a chinese restaurant giving it away up the street! 1374674;1453066192;asciilifeform;neato 1374675;1453066196;asciilifeform;must've smelled delicious 1374676;1453066202;*;ben_vulpes maggot, proud to find free energy around 1374677;1453066211;ben_vulpes;'twas outside 1374678;1453066215;ben_vulpes;horrendously noisy 1374679;1453066218;ben_vulpes;BUT SO AWESOME 1374680;1453066237;ben_vulpes;pumped water through the furnace, up to our shop, and through an old car radiator with a fan behind it. 1374681;1453066255;ben_vulpes;did not work as well as the radiant attachments atop the propane tank 1374682;1453066270;ben_vulpes;also blew crap all over the shop while i was finishing tables and whatnot, so eventually decommissioned. 1374683;1453066279;asciilifeform;but slower co poisoning than with tank ? 1374684;1453066314;ben_vulpes;co poisoning not really an issue, it's a slow flow over some steel mesh, more or less everything burns off on the mesh going to co2 1374685;1453066318;ben_vulpes;plus very tall ceilings 1374686;1453066318;asciilifeform;i have what is supposed to be a spiffy propane heater in the workshop, it is not endurable for more than half hour or so 1374687;1453066325;BingoBoingo;kinda lulzy discussion re: NODE_BLOOM bit https://archive.is/Jb1jN 1374688;1453066326;assbot;Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #6579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZuhGj2 ) 1374689;1453066328;asciilifeform;and nonsense, it does not all burn off. 1374690;1453066329;ben_vulpes;which one? and why unendurable? 1374691;1453066334;asciilifeform;gasenwagen. 1374692;1453066354;ben_vulpes;well, "most" relative to volume of shop. 1374693;1453066369;asciilifeform;'Mr. Heater' F232000. 1374694;1453066386;ben_vulpes;oh jeez 1374695;1453066393;ben_vulpes;is that /plastic/? 1374696;1453066411;asciilifeform;the handle was thermoplastic iirc (as on frying pan) 1374697;1453066418;ben_vulpes;you want the eye of sauron: mr heater mh15t 1374698;1453066443;asciilifeform;on wooden floor ?! 1374699;1453066456;asciilifeform;also same problem 1374700;1453066460;asciilifeform;unvented combustion sucks. 1374701;1453066462;asciilifeform;no way around it. 1374702;1453066473;ben_vulpes;"science doesn't suck -- it blows!" 1374703;1453066474;asciilifeform;unless you burn motherfuckin hydrogen 1374704;1453066484;ben_vulpes;yeah well get a bigger shop 1374705;1453066501;ben_vulpes;only time i ever came close to death by co2 was operating the concrete cutter in someone's basement 1374706;1453066503;ben_vulpes;that was a fun day 1374707;1453066506;asciilifeform;by co2 ?!! 1374708;1453066508;ben_vulpes;c0* 1374709;1453066509;BingoBoingo;Really the solution is electric heat 1374710;1453066511;ben_vulpes;co co 1374711;1453066531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tried electric heat. blows out the breakers, the place is powered via extension cord 1374712;1453066536;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: electric is the *worst* 1374713;1453066541;ben_vulpes;takes mega current 1374714;1453066554;asciilifeform;i entirely would if could. 1374715;1453066563;*;BingoBoingo appologizes for poor attempt at miner joak 1374716;1453066569;ben_vulpes;oh lol 1374717;1453066579;punkman;wood stove that vents outside mebbe 1374718;1453066582;ben_vulpes;anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are. 1374719;1453066587;asciilifeform;punkman: on wooden floor?!! 1374720;1453066615;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what is with you and unsanitary working conditions 1374721;1453066626;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: money ? 1374722;1453066627;BingoBoingo;alf lives in hovel in jungle 1374723;1453066628;asciilifeform;elementarily ? 1374724;1453066637;BingoBoingo;been discussed before 1374725;1453066650;asciilifeform;the key thing is that the one non-negotiable thing i use, is VERY expensive 1374726;1453066651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00053152 = 3.7738 BTC [+] 1374727;1453066653;asciilifeform;anywhere in the world 1374728;1453066656;asciilifeform;: 1374729;1453066663;asciilifeform;vermin-free area 1374730;1453066663;ben_vulpes;sleep? 1374731;1453066673;punkman;asciilifeform: why not on wooden floor 1374732;1453066685;asciilifeform;as in, no extraneous bodies within ~50 metre in any direction 1374733;1453066715;asciilifeform;wooden floor, in this context, is actually a great deal 1374734;1453066734;asciilifeform;it beats, say, bare permafrost 1374735;1453066771;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sleep is actually far too expensive for me to afford 1374736;1453066787;asciilifeform;because the no-vermin thing comes FIRST 1374737;1453066893;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374583 << what am i looking at, mircea_popescu ? 1374738;1453066893;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 19:59:45; mircea_popescu: here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe 1374739;1453066905;phf;warehouses are expensive in dc area. it's some sort of idiot bubble, because you can rent warehouse space by acres in baltimore and whereabouts, only an hour away 1374740;1453066919;asciilifeform;phf: not cheap there either 1374741;1453066930;asciilifeform;at least not in human-sized pieces 1374742;1453066948;asciilifeform;10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc 1374743;1453066970;asciilifeform;and anything you leave there is liable to be carted away or smashed. 1374744;1453066982;asciilifeform;(unless you also station a platoon of orc-hunters therein) 1374745;1453067044;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374593 << mega-recommended approach. guaranteed to work unless something is SERIOUSLY broken with the WHOLE rotor. 1374746;1453067044;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 20:54:44; mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot 1374747;1453067073;ben_vulpes;did i hear that someone managed to get rotor to clobber their whole homedir? 1374748;1453067078;asciilifeform;the whole reason i did rotor was to thermonuke whatever dependencies there were on the crud on various people's boxes 1374749;1453067098;BingoBoingo;lol 1374750;1453067101;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE 1374751;1453067109;asciilifeform;and street. 1374752;1453067115;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1374753;1453067117;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GEEEGT.txt ) 1374754;1453067117;ben_vulpes;"FOOF" 1374755;1453067203;asciilifeform;;;later tell punindented what was the point of your http://dpaste.com/0CRQ2PJ ? 1374756;1453067204;assbot;dpaste: 0CRQ2PJ: by punindented ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZujrwG ) 1374757;1453067204;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1374758;1453067244;asciilifeform;who the everliving fuck uses mawk, and for what ?? 1374759;1453067366;phf;fwiw, i've ran it on large data before and it was constant faster then bsd awk that comes with os x 1374760;1453067373;ben_vulpes;> i adopted it in 2009 1374761;1453067393;ben_vulpes;guy writes javascript, uses mawk... 1374762;1453068327;BingoBoingo;Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz 1374763;1453068453;BingoBoingo;!up B0g4r7_ 1374764;1453068729;BingoBoingo;In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13 1374765;1453068970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00052927 = 2.5405 BTC [-] {3} 1374766;1453069231;mod6;asciilifeform: punindented was trying to help out a bit -- he hit that weird bug with vdiff on ubuntu or debian or something, when then reminded me that I lost your fix for that. I've searched through logs many times, can't seem to find it. I did actually ask yesterday too: 1374767;1453069236;mod6;<+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something. 1374768;1453069261;mod6;so if you have yours somewhere it'd be awesome to get that and place it somewhere so I don't lose it again. 1374769;1453069309;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE << yes someone did do this. 1374770;1453069322;mod6;and blew away their pgp keys too. 1374771;1453069330;mod6;so make sure you have your keys backed up! 1374772;1453069337;mod6;and don't nuke your entire world. 1374773;1453069625;mircea_popescu;!up raedah 1374774;1453069700;raedah;buona sera 1374775;1453069884;mircea_popescu;hola. 1374776;1453070111;mod6;!up hanbot 1374777;1453070139;hanbot;danke 1374778;1453070163;mod6;bitte 1374779;1453070221;mircea_popescu;lol check it out it's manners day over at old b-a. 1374780;1453070235;ben_vulpes;rude 1374781;1453070305;*;hanbot takes out an extra pinky finger to hold aloft 1374782;1453070312;mod6;:D 1374783;1453071898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00052854 = 2.9598 BTC [-] {3} 1374784;1453072152;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374627 << same thing that happens to "fridge ecosystem" once the engineer dies. 1374785;1453072152;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:18:20; phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..") 1374786;1453072157;mircea_popescu;ah wellcome back! 1374787;1453072183;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374634 << you've created yourself a convenient strawman and are having sex with it. 1374788;1453072183;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:21:26; asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr. 1374789;1453072201;mircea_popescu;again : the volume of production and the relationships between people are unrelated. 1374790;1453072218;mircea_popescu;you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves. 1374791;1453072260;mircea_popescu;there's nothing but fartware and wishful thinking backing this notion that "every idiot getting 10 dollars to spend is the best possible world", pangloss. 1374792;1453072283;mircea_popescu;for all you know the world where every derp and his ten dollars causes britney spears is the world where quality musical instruments do not exist. 1374793;1453072311;mircea_popescu;for all you know the world of manufacturing was lots and lots more powerful back when trhey were supplying bach's needs than sepultura's. 1374794;1453072358;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374632 << it's what they call "a psychological necessity". 1374795;1453072358;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:20:50; pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter. 1374796;1453072966;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion. 1374797;1453072966;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:34:20; asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks. 1374798;1453072996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052727 = 1.0282 BTC [-] {2} 1374799;1453073082;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374718 << i hate radiative heating. my skin feels like i'm sunbathing, and i also hate sunbathing. 1374800;1453073082;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:36:22; ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are. 1374801;1453073094;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374796 << because wooden shed with no provisions for proper stove. 1374802;1453073094;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 23:22:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion. 1374803;1453073112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh tell me more about how sane people don't get carbide this or that, please. 1374804;1453073127;mircea_popescu;clearly this shit's working so well. 1374805;1453073143;asciilifeform;hey i have a full set of carbide cutters and lathe in there, l0l 1374806;1453073147;mircea_popescu;i never lived in a fucking hovel where the heating wasn't vented, either outside the wall or in specially made vents ffs. 1374807;1453073154;mircea_popescu;but then again i guess i never lived in civilisation. 1374808;1453073159;asciilifeform;it's a shed 1374809;1453073163;asciilifeform;wasn't meant for life 1374810;1453073170;mircea_popescu;... 1374811;1453073175;asciilifeform;was built for keeping shovels, etc. 1374812;1453073176;mircea_popescu;so what do you do there then. die first. 1374813;1453073192;asciilifeform;i drill/mill/lathe things etc. there. 1374814;1453073205;mircea_popescu;anyway, so if it's a wooden shed, cut a hole, add a pipe and some insulation, done. 1374815;1453073214;asciilifeform;did this eventually, for the laser. 1374816;1453073263;asciilifeform;but admittedly the subject is of very little interest to people who aren't me. 1374817;1453073312;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << this is pretty insane, i had something like high 30's for ~700 euro total. 1374818;1453073312;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc 1374819;1453073326;asciilifeform;take me to your planet. 1374820;1453073327;mircea_popescu;37k i think it was. 1374821;1453073338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did! you wouldn't even fuck the eager gypsy girls! 1374822;1453073354;asciilifeform;it was mouthwateringly glorious, aha. 1374823;1453073366;asciilifeform;remember how i wanted to buy the dump ? 1374824;1453073367;mircea_popescu;now granted, it was just a concrete slab with corrugated sheet walls and roof. 1374825;1453073369;asciilifeform;the one with the broken bottles 1374826;1453073374;mircea_popescu;lol 1374827;1453073384;mircea_popescu;but apparently this is standard these days. 1374828;1453073402;asciilifeform;corrugated steel walls is a palace to me. 1374829;1453073454;mircea_popescu;ironically, the locals were kinda jealous of the guy, because it comes out that doing a 40 x 100 metre concrete slab and surrounding it in basically an elaborate, roofed fence costs less than building an actual house, and brought in rent slightly more. 1374830;1453073482;asciilifeform;oh l0l! was this the thing by the graveyard ?! 1374831;1453073486;asciilifeform;with the blue roof ? 1374832;1453073487;mircea_popescu;aha 1374833;1453073499;mircea_popescu;middle of nowhere, but hey, it had natl road access right by the door. 1374834;1453073512;asciilifeform;i drooled over it on 'google earth' 1374835;1453073565;mircea_popescu;anyway. back in the day "warehouse" meant brick wall, etc. 1374836;1453073599;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374790 << ok 1 in 10 - is sane. the thing that melted my brain was the contention that five barons could have handmade silicon etc. 1374837;1453073599;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 23:10:18; mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves. 1374838;1453073645;mircea_popescu;look at my most recent article, the curve is there and intuitively obvious what's meant. 1374839;1453073651;asciilifeform;aha, just did 1374840;1453073654;mircea_popescu;hm... it never made it to the chan this, did it ? 1374841;1453073661;asciilifeform;in light of it it makes sense. 1374842;1453073672;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/this-is-how-you-fail-and-why-and-wherefore << it 1374843;1453073673;assbot;This is how you fail ; and why ; and wherefore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/238XvvM ) 1374844;1453073869;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374767 << i do not recall this. 1374845;1453073869;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 22:20:36; mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something. 1374846;1453073871;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << sharing one makes eminently little sense. you can't rent except by the gate. 1374847;1453073871;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc 1374848;1453073900;asciilifeform;mod6: was it the the LC_ALL=C thing? 1374849;1453073919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. though it is not unheard-of to subdivide a warehouse 1374850;1453073929;mircea_popescu;not among unknowns. 1374851;1453073955;mod6;asciilifeform: no i don't think so. 1374852;1453073957;mircea_popescu;heck, i guess in practice every insanity's heard of, including to subdivide a woman unawares. 1374853;1453073980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i once knew two fellas who unknowingly shared a toothbrush for most of a year. 1374854;1453074021;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374762 << nah. and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374764 << this is sensible and a welcome idea, in general. tho i still dunno how much the proposed replacement's worth. 1374855;1453074021;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 22:05:27; BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz 1374856;1453074021;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 22:12:09; BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13 1374857;1453074033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00052404 = 2.7774 BTC [-] {2} 1374858;1453074045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform confucius say, better share toothbrush than buttplug. 1374859;1453074046;asciilifeform;i went over the crud 1374860;1453074053;asciilifeform;it very much is moar of the same. 1374861;1453074057;mircea_popescu;so did a few other people. 1374862;1453074064;mircea_popescu;would you swear to anything ? 1374863;1453074123;mod6;here's what it is asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3QGYPPK.txt 1374864;1453074124;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozu8cr ) 1374865;1453074129;asciilifeform;my tentative conclusion is that the phoundation folk are making things explicit 1374866;1453074136;asciilifeform;(in re: the corralling of the cattle) 1374867;1453074159;mod6;i should also point out this: http://dpaste.com/01R3NFN.txt 1374868;1453074160;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzubVF ) 1374869;1453074186;asciilifeform;mod6: i have no idea what is happening here 1374870;1453074194;asciilifeform;but it suggests that your sed is broken 1374871;1453074199;asciilifeform;awk, rather 1374872;1453074231;punkman;I think I had that error, just changed around the quoting of the vdiff command 1374873;1453074243;mod6;yeah, this seems to be the case on ubuntu & deb (iirc), only works on gentoo for me. you fixed this once iirc. but i've since lost the changes :/ 1374874;1453074338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00052999 = 2.7559 BTC [+] {3} 1374875;1453074344;punkman;mod6, here's my version: diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }' 1374876;1453074353;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." 1374877;1453074359;mircea_popescu;and what is this "continue reading" thing ? 1374878;1453074416;asciilifeform;'Starting with Tor version 0.2.7.1 it is possible, through Tor's control socket API, to create and destroy 'ephemeral' hidden services programmatically. Bitcoin Core has been updated to make use of this. This means that if Tor is running (and proper authorization is available), Bitcoin Core automatically creates a hidden service to listen on, without manual configuration. Bitcoin Core will also use Tor automatically to connect 1374879;1453074416;asciilifeform; to other .onion nodes if the control socket can be successfully opened. This will positively affect the number of available .onion nodes and their usage. This new feature is enabled by default if Bitcoin Core is listening, and a connection to Tor can be made.' << l0l!! 1374880;1453074471;mircea_popescu;o.O 1374881;1453074482;asciilifeform;'Previously, every wallet transaction stored a Merkle branch to prove its presence in blocks. This wasn't being used for more than an expensive sanity check. Since 0.12, these are no longer stored.' 1374882;1453074490;guruvan;mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking 1374883;1453074507;mircea_popescu;isn't that the bdb issue ? 1374884;1453074509;asciilifeform;guruvan: what was this ? 1374885;1453074512;guruvan;can I just build as per instrux here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin and 1374886;1453074514;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW ) 1374887;1453074514;punkman;guruvan: possibly because of openssl version 1374888;1453074531;mircea_popescu;gah, is half our documentation unmaintained / out of date by now ? 1374889;1453074535;asciilifeform;holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 1374890;1453074538;guruvan;asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ? 1374891;1453074538;mircea_popescu;jesus. 1374892;1453074562;mircea_popescu;listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse. 1374893;1453074564;asciilifeform;but iirc even therealbitcoin.org doesn't mention 'v' 1374894;1453074564;guruvan;I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball 1374895;1453074571;asciilifeform;or the modern v-tronic build 1374896;1453074596;guruvan;mircea_popescu: docker image Dockerfile helps document buld process -that part of why I do these 1374897;1453074605;mircea_popescu;lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down. 1374898;1453074609;mircea_popescu;guruvan did you make sense of v so far ? 1374899;1453074655;guruvan;sorta - I think I have everything in the current mirror set all figured out - haven't tried to build anything outta that yet 1374900;1453074663;mircea_popescu;aite. 1374901;1453074677;asciilifeform;#5677 9aa9099 libevent-based http server << let's add mega-dependency crud !1111 1374902;1453074687;guruvan;I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet 1374903;1453074713;guruvan;more or less tried all the pertinent commands - made sure it seemed set up right 1374904;1453074756;mircea_popescu;alright. 1374905;1453074786;asciilifeform;#6650 4fac576 Obfuscate chainstate << wut. 1374906;1453074800;guruvan;seriously asciilifeform what's up there 1374907;1453074825;guruvan;I was wondering about this when I saw this in the logs today (on classic?) 1374908;1453074831;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas. 1374909;1453074833;mircea_popescu;so a month old. 1374910;1453074839;asciilifeform;hm 1374911;1453074847;asciilifeform;i saw a .sh, assumed pre-v 1374912;1453074912;*;mircea_popescu dials down panic two notches. 1374913;1453074928;asciilifeform;#6351 2a1090d CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (BIP65) IsSuperMajority() soft-fork << lulz 1374914;1453074948;asciilifeform;#6954 e54ebbf Switch to libsecp256k1-based ECDSA validation << as mentioned earlier by BingoBoingo ? 1374915;1453074971;asciilifeform;#6508 61457c2 Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. << anybody have the time/energy to look? i don't... 1374916;1453074974;guruvan;there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds 1374917;1453075002;asciilifeform;#6210 0e4f2a0 build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build << what's it use instead of gmp ?!!?? 1374918;1453075019;asciilifeform;own crackpot bignum ? 1374919;1453075040;asciilifeform;#6619 4862708 depends: bump miniupnpc and ccache << apparently upnp is still in the mix 1374920;1453075092;guruvan;why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery 1374921;1453075168;mircea_popescu;standard explanation, "it has some pores dept x needs" 1374922;1453075181;mircea_popescu;most of the time it's junk anyway, but hey, bureaucracy prevails! 1374923;1453075198;guruvan;LOL :) some pores compay ABC needs ;) 1374924;1453075232;mircea_popescu;no, more like SHITFACE or DERPSTORM or whatever the fuck. 1374925;1453075246;mircea_popescu;COUNTRYBUMPKIN 1374926;1453075263;*;ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal 1374927;1453075285;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where was it before? emulated in your brain ? 1374928;1453075297;ben_vulpes;'twas not sane. 1374929;1453075306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform before it was mass produced because five barons couldn't possibly etc. 1374930;1453075307;ben_vulpes;myriad layers of virtualization. 1374931;1453075310;asciilifeform;well you said 'actual metal', so i wondered about the meaning 1374932;1453075311;asciilifeform;aha 1374933;1453075332;ben_vulpes;have built in docker, cloud, etc 1374934;1453075332;asciilifeform;is this the openbsd-on-old-mac thing ? 1374935;1453075336;ben_vulpes;with a mouse, on a house 1374936;1453075356;ben_vulpes;chapter something in the story, yes asciilifeform 1374937;1453075371;ben_vulpes;should have listened to you, but must piss on each and every fence myself. 1374938;1453075372;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort 1374939;1453075380;asciilifeform;or was it netbsd 1374940;1453075392;ben_vulpes;boost ate shit, tri segfaulted 1374941;1453075401;ben_vulpes;video drivers etc 1374942;1453075402;asciilifeform;!s from:BingoBoingo mac bsd 1374943;1453075403;assbot;2 results for 'from:BingoBoingo mac bsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ABingoBoingo+mac+bsd 1374944;1453075414;ben_vulpes;today it's gentoo quest. 1374945;1453075437;ben_vulpes;againstillnowwithgusto 1374946;1453075441;asciilifeform;neato 1374947;1453075455;asciilifeform;oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc. 1374948;1453075472;asciilifeform;wasn't 'officially support', no. 1374949;1453075482;ben_vulpes;"why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working" 1374950;1453075501;ben_vulpes;2 things drove this toolchain rebuild: exwm and tri-on-the-metal. 1374951;1453075501;asciilifeform;https://jreypo.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/d330_view.jpg << one quite like this 1374952;1453075502;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/238Z64T ) 1374953;1453075513;ben_vulpes;nifty device, asciilifeform 1374954;1453075530;*;ben_vulpes downloading stage three for the...second? third? time today 1374955;1453075532;asciilifeform;55 kg. 1374956;1453075546;asciilifeform;without disks or power supply, iirc. 1374957;1453075913;guruvan;lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken 1374958;1453076035;guruvan;that's on today's agenda is to see why my glibc fails out of the latest portage :P 1374959;1453076327;ben_vulpes;guruvan: what better route forward then? ubuntu 14.04? 1374960;1453076365;guruvan;poh - no - I'm going forward with all my own gentoos :) zomg ubuntu 14.04 1374961;1453076388;mircea_popescu;ah finally found that fucking article! 1374962;1453076390;guruvan;I do use some in some docker images for various purposes, but my heaviest use images are all gentoo based 1374963;1453076403;mircea_popescu;"Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.� 1374964;1453076403;mircea_popescu;That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go. 1374965;1453076407;mircea_popescu;As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material." 1374966;1453076417;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/dwSkS#selection-241.0-259.119 << anyone remember how infoseek / altavista etc looked back in the day ? 1374967;1453076418;assbot;The Blind Lead the Sighted: ... ( http://bit.ly/238ZRLa ) 1374968;1453076489;guruvan;heh I definitely remember altavista 1374969;1453076552;mircea_popescu;the only practical way to know google didn't fucking invent the un-shat-upon screen is to personally know the devs that had done it before. i suspect this is true of most "genius ideas". 1374970;1453076598;guruvan;once those ideas have sufficient network effect yet 1374971;1453076600;guruvan;yes 1374972;1453076636;punkman;did chetty read c++ via text-to-speech? 1374973;1453076664;mircea_popescu;depends who wrote it / on what system, etc. 1374974;1453076668;mircea_popescu;mostly no. 1374975;1453076680;ben_vulpes;there are excellent reasons for the 80-col law. 1374976;1453076979;punkman;my sympathies to friends, family and eulorean tribes 1374977;1453076994;punkman;did she ever keep a blog, memoirs? 1374978;1453077177;mircea_popescu;she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that. 1374979;1453077190;mircea_popescu;not aware that there'd by any memoirs. she was kinda young for that sort of thing. 1374980;1453077388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00052172 = 2.8434 BTC [-] {5} 1374981;1453078059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2020 @ 0.00053008 = 1.0708 BTC [+] 1374982;1453078223;shinohai;!s http://shapeshit.io/ 1374983;1453078223;assbot;ShapeShift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/2391DMp ) 1374984;1453078224;assbot;0 results for 'http://shapeshit.io/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fshapeshit.io%2F 1374985;1453078228;shinohai;LOL 1374986;1453079157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00052107 = 2.6575 BTC [-] {4} 1374987;1453079250;ben_vulpes;shapeshit? 1374988;1453079347;shinohai;Someone set up a phishing site LOL via: https://redd.it/41e094 1374989;1453079348;assbot;SCAM WARNING ShapeSHIT.io fake website : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2392Jrj ) 1374990;1453079993;mod6;<+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right? 1374991;1453080941;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey thanks for putting up your steps in the wiki 1374992;1453080978;mod6;or, whomever did that. 1374993;1453081411;mircea_popescu;i didn't do it. mebbe danielpbarron ? or hanbot ? or pete 1374994;1453081878;mod6;i appreciate it. 1374995;1453082072;danielpbarron;t'was me 1374996;1453082103;danielpbarron;instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them 1374997;1453082106;mod6;o7 1374998;1453082251;phf;ben_vulpes: so i'm running slackware with homebrew for linux. base system comes with most things you need to run linux userspace, and if i want something extra i just build it with brew. old dog new tricks 1374999;1453082296;phf;none of that "rebuilding stage 3 with -O30 -mi868a" bullshit :> 1375000;1453082728;danielpbarron;"blocks" : 346223, btw 1375001;1453082854;mircea_popescu;50k to go 1375002;1453083011;mats;http://time.com/4183442/china-taiwan-tsai-ing-wen-first-female-president 1375003;1453083013;assbot;Taiwan: Tsai Ing-wen Elected as First Female President ... ( http://bit.ly/208MXue ) 1375004;1453083197;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/krislc/status/687943177005838336 << related. 1375005;1453085425;BingoBoingo; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban. << It is, but prolly ought to make sure power ranger nodes don't drop our connecion if we're expecteded to pass some flag while running protocol version 99999 1375006;1453085425;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 21:06:37; BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam 1375007;1453085875;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." << SHould be fixed 1375008;1453085986;BingoBoingo; and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles 1375009;1453086002;mircea_popescu;ok but i mean, instead of article ? 1375010;1453086170;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/688398372521168896 << this guy is the christina applegate of married-with-vcoinks. 1375011;1453086205;BingoBoingo; iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort << I imagine ben_vulpes mac has color display greater than 9" 1375012;1453086441;BingoBoingo; ok but i mean, instead of article ? Ah. missed that it snuck in there. Need to check the front page more. 1375013;1453086843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7069 @ 0.00052698 = 3.7252 BTC [+] 1375014;1453087227;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, https://twitter.com/alazyreader/status/683066459849895936 1375015;1453087248;mircea_popescu;i think i'm ironically much more famous among the idiot us-democrat crowd than among the idiot us-republican crowd. 1375016;1453087301;BingoBoingo;Probably this year 1375017;1453087307;BingoBoingo;In 2012 prolly reversed 1375018;1453087328;mircea_popescu;i don't think either side knew enough of the world back then 1375019;1453087351;BingoBoingo;Well, smaller sample size 1375020;1453087395;mircea_popescu;http://jezebel.com/i-will-eat-chipotle-until-it-fucking-kills-me-1753170975 << in even other news nobody cares about, the one thing mayo gendered retards aka web-feminists are dedicated to is eating dirt until they pop. 1375021;1453087396;assbot;I Will Eat Chipotle Until It Fucking Kills Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0wrx ) 1375022;1453087412;mircea_popescu;" I refuse to be deterred by conventional safety. I will eat Chipotle until it fucking kills me. 1375023;1453087412;mircea_popescu;The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school." 1375024;1453087597;BingoBoingo;This really is how the US will fall. The few will be unable to keep with with the many who can not wipe their ass. 1375025;1453087610;punkman;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-talked-to-a-witch-who-casts-viruses-out-of-computers-with-magic 1375026;1453087611;assbot;We Talked to a Witch Who Casts Viruses Out of Computers With Magic | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0JuS ) 1375027;1453087620;BingoBoingo;It will be impossible for all of these planets to get their asses wiped. 1375028;1453087875;BingoBoingo;Anal fistulas will become the leading cause of mortality in the United States. 1375029;1453088244;*;mircea_popescu is doing his part by extracting young hottie nurses from the system. 1375030;1453088270;mircea_popescu;(who the fuck knew - nurses are like the one profession with the largest bdsm bent, it's HUGE.) 1375031;1453088279;BingoBoingo;seriously 1375032;1453088424;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1375033;1453088431;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.02, vol: 7047.73459568 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.999, vol: 6058.14456 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.7, vol: 15400.56479562 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.29341837 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.4358, vol: 61172.33880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.97, vol: 135.48794721 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.074910889, vol: 52.17730934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1375034;1453088433;BingoBoingo;;;more 1375035;1453088433;gribble;385.140188659 1375036;1453088542;*;BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday 1375037;1453088706;mircea_popescu;the us banks seem to be getting more holidays than argentina 1375038;1453088728;BingoBoingo;Martin Luther King day 1375039;1453088739;BingoBoingo;But yes, they get lots of planned holidays 1375040;1453089694;gernika;;ud broomstick 1375041;1453089702;gernika;dammit assbot 1375042;1453089823;gernika;;;ud broomstick 1375043;1453089824;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Broom+Stick | broomstick. v. Lie your female partner on her back, grab your nutsack and put it in her vagina while grabbing your penis with both hands, one over the other (in ... 1375044;1453092423;mircea_popescu;"how do you spell illiterate ?" "look it up in the dictionary." "how am i going to look it up if i don't know how to spell it ?!" 1375045;1453092726;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/17/someone-just-accused-me-of-plotting-an-assassination-attempt/ 1375046;1453092727;assbot;Lying Liar Connie St. Louis Just Accused Me Of Calling For An Assassination! - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqYrrA ) 1375047;1453092745;BingoBoingo;Some people just can't go all the way 1375048;1453094741;ben_vulpes;lol breitbart 1375049;1453095010;BingoBoingo;!up soypirate 1375050;1453096545;punkman;"the official exchange rate is 6.3 bolivars to the dollar. n the streets, a money changer will be happy to buy your dollars for 700 bolivars a piece." nice ratio 1375051;1453096786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00052313 = 5.6498 BTC [-] {3} 1375052;1453101361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052314 = 3.7928 BTC [+] 1375053;1453104716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00052094 = 5.5741 BTC [-] {2} 1375054;1453110085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00052257 = 4.2067 BTC [+] {2} 1375055;1453114259;jurov;;;bc,stats 1375056;1453114262;gribble;Current Blocks: 393859 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1276 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1375057;1453114272;jurov;;;hashrate 1375058;1453114273;gribble;Error: "hashrate" is not a valid command. 1375059;1453114296;jurov;https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate shows exahash already 1375060;1453114297;assbot;Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/239PjLL ) 1375061;1453114316;jurov;;;nethash 1375062;1453114317;gribble;861582177.733 1375063;1453114871;jurov;https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate hahaha 1375064;1453114872;assbot;Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/239PjLL ) 1375065;1453114884;jurov;https://ejj.io/abusing-your-browser-favicon/ < i wanted to paste this 1375066;1453114884;assbot;Crashing Your Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/239PLcZ ) 1375067;1453114925;jurov;(the site won't crash it but describes a simpel way how) 1375068;1453114974;jurov;"It's really amazing that Chrome and Safari don't have a sanity check for the size of a favicon. When I load the root of this website on safari, the favicon automatically gets fetched...fetched..." 1375069;1453114974;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1375070;1453115941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00052257 = 3.7102 BTC [+] 1375071;1453119295;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.90000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b76 1375072;1453119296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8702 @ 0.00051779 = 4.5058 BTC [-] {4} 1375073;1453119321;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo I emailed f2pool, asked for their key and an invite to #b-a. May the fates be with you. 1375074;1453119321;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1375075;1453122002;mircea_popescu;hhhola! 1375076;1453122064;shinohai;>.> 1375077;1453122740;mircea_popescu;jurov lots of holes with the favicon thing. 1375078;1453122758;mircea_popescu;there's a simple privacy breaking thing where a site feeding you a bunch of favicons can figure out where you've been by looking at which you load. 1375079;1453125203;mircea_popescu;that very weird moment when woman you fucked long ago berates your okcupid profile for impersonating you. 1375080;1453126018;mircea_popescu;since i'm doing the documentation for an ample piece, here's random unrelated lulz : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16124 1375081;1453126018;assbot;Logged on 05-05-2013 09:52:31; mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues. 1375082;1453126494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00050936 = 3.4871 BTC [-] {2} 1375083;1453126555;thestringpuller;LOL Chaang-Noi 1375084;1453126559;thestringpuller;;;seen Chaang-Noi 1375085;1453126560;gribble;Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 48 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: might have to sue em 1375086;1453126579;thestringpuller;1 scammer dies, 5 scammers are born. 1375087;1453128920;jurov;https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/ReadingSensitiveFilesLessons now i'm curious what gpg does here 1375088;1453128922;assbot;Chris's Wiki :: blog/programming/ReadingSensitiveFilesLessons ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0aP0h ) 1375089;1453129113;jurov;or gossipd will 1375090;1453130110;mod6;Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks. 1375091;1453130111;assbot;[BTC-dev] Experimental makefiles for bitcoind ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0cMtv ) 1375092;1453130327;shinohai;I'm gonna give those a go today on the server, it's idle since I got latest patched. 1375093;1453130718;jurov;oh when i see it: trinque and everyone, pls send detached signatures as .sig 1375094;1453130749;trinque;jurov: k 1375095;1453130772;jurov;ml currently passes all attachments regardless when there is valid clearsigned text but it may not always the case 1375096;1453130901;mod6;<+jurov> oh when i see it: trinque and everyone, pls send detached signatures as .sig << for V to work properly the sigfiles (seals) need to be named the same as the vpatch filename with a .sig on the end. is that what you're saying? 1375097;1453130918;jurov;not it is not related to v 1375098;1453130937;jurov;it is how ml prosesses attachments 1375099;1453130942;jurov;*processes 1375100;1453130943;mod6;i.e.: asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch && asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig 1375101;1453130949;mod6;that's how they need to be 1375102;1453130968;jurov;why the second .asciilifeform ? 1375103;1453130985;jurov;one is .anything , the other one .anything.sig 1375104;1453130999;mod6;so i was wrong above, not just .sig, but .vpatch..sig 1375105;1453131006;jurov;or V requires author's name in the suffix? 1375106;1453131027;mod6;take a look at these: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/ 1375107;1453131028;assbot;Index of /v/seals ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1TpQn ) 1375108;1453131028;jurov;oh my, who designed this? 1375109;1453131030;mod6;that's how they need to be. 1375110;1453131039;mod6;alf 1375111;1453131080;mod6;which, i think is fine because then i can sign that patch and call it: asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch.mod6.sig 1375112;1453131090;mod6;and then v can differentiate them easily 1375113;1453131219;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1375114;1453131231;jurov;so imma have a regex like ([^_]+)_.*?\.vpatch\.(.*?)\.sig to find out something to feed to v? 1375115;1453131237;ascii_butugychag;jurov, mod6: i designed the naming convention this way deliberately 1375116;1453131255;ascii_butugychag;the first name (not used by v for anything) is the ~author~ 1375117;1453131265;ascii_butugychag;the second - used by the sig checker - is WHO SIGNED 1375118;1453131279;jurov;but it requires PARSING 1375119;1453131290;ascii_butugychag;these, ideally, will NOT always be the same, i keep trying to encourage folks to read and sign MY patches (and that of others) 1375120;1453131324;ascii_butugychag;jurov: theoretically you can avoid using the name prior to .sig, but then you have to check ALL seals agains ALL patches ALWAYS and this is O(N^2) 1375121;1453131334;ascii_butugychag;so go ahead, don't parse, but then enjoy waiting 1375122;1453131339;ascii_butugychag;during every single op. 1375123;1453131355;jurov;is it too late to use some better delimiter to extract the parts? 1375124;1453131362;ascii_butugychag;like what ? 1375125;1453131365;jurov;: 1375126;1453131381;ascii_butugychag;what os are you on that is happy with : in paths ? vms ? 1375127;1453131409;ascii_butugychag;what the hell is wrong with . ? 1375128;1453131413;jurov;authorname:patchname:signername.vpatch.sig 1375129;1453131433;jurov;then use dot after authorname, too 1375130;1453131440;ascii_butugychag;but... why?? 1375131;1453131441;jurov;it is relevant for ml 1375132;1453131445;ascii_butugychag;why not FIX THE ML 1375133;1453131448;ascii_butugychag;instead of breaking v. 1375134;1453131461;jurov;also, what if someone has a nick with _ ? 1375135;1453131471;jurov;like mircea_popescu 1375136;1453131491;ascii_butugychag;that makes no difference 1375137;1453131493;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1375138;1453131494;ascii_butugychag;the author name is for human eyes only 1375139;1453131502;ascii_butugychag;only the signer-name is machine-parsed 1375140;1453131519;jurov;yes? how do i extract author and patchname? 1375141;1453131529;ascii_butugychag;why do you need to ? 1375142;1453131543;ascii_butugychag;recall how mircea_popescu argued that it makes no sense to mechanically distinguish between author and signers? 1375143;1453131548;jurov;you say noone will ever need to? 1375144;1453131575;ascii_butugychag;the correct way to do this is for the first seal to be deedbotted to produce the attribution of the author. 1375145;1453131584;ascii_butugychag;rather than magicks in the filenamez. 1375146;1453131599;ascii_butugychag;protocol vs promise (tm) (r) 1375147;1453131620;mircea_popescu;if i want to represent alf's signature as "asciilifeform", "ascii_butugychag" or more or just a subset, it should be up to me. 1375148;1453131636;jurov;and how does ml match signarute to vpatch? 1375149;1453131643;mircea_popescu;same fingerprint no ? 1375150;1453131649;ascii_butugychag;using the .name.sig convention 1375151;1453131651;ascii_butugychag;as now. 1375152;1453131657;mircea_popescu;uh 1375153;1453131658;jurov;someonse sends 3 patches with 3 sigs, I either have to get the match with gnarly regext above 1375154;1453131664;mircea_popescu;didn't you just contradict yourself ? 1375155;1453131668;ascii_butugychag;and realize that we can set all the filenames to 'fuckyou' and v will still work 1375156;1453131668;jurov;or try to match each vs. each 1375157;1453131671;ascii_butugychag;correctly 1375158;1453131673;ascii_butugychag;just, slowly 1375159;1453131677;ascii_butugychag;O(N^2) 1375160;1453131690;jurov;why v can't require strict naming? 1375161;1453131696;ascii_butugychag;why must it ? 1375162;1453131711;ascii_butugychag;why tie to filesystem oddities that may go away when we get a sane os ? 1375163;1453131718;jurov;to not need O(N^2) sig verificaiton 1375164;1453131729;jurov;how will sane os solve this? 1375165;1453131742;ascii_butugychag;jurov: it doesn't need even now. what is your problem with patchname.signer.sig ? 1375166;1453131766;ascii_butugychag;i could even see the argument that 'signer' oughta be a gpg fp 1375167;1453131769;jurov;because i need to match it to patchname.vpatch 1375168;1453131786;ascii_butugychag;it matches trivially! 1375169;1453131818;jurov;no it maps to patchname.vpatch..sig 1375170;1453131819;ascii_butugychag;patchname in 'patchname.vpatch' must equal patchname in patchname.signer.sig 1375171;1453131827;ascii_butugychag;jurov: holy shit, why ?? 1375172;1453131862;jurov;how? 1375173;1453131875;ascii_butugychag;v - works. 1375174;1453131885;ascii_butugychag;mine works, mod6's works, possibly ben_vulpes's also works. 1375175;1453131895;jurov;v works because it has prearranged files, wot keys 1375176;1453131896;ascii_butugychag;and now jurov has something that does not ? so fix ~it~ plox ? 1375177;1453131924;ascii_butugychag;prearranged, aha. what's wrong with that ? 1375178;1453131932;jurov;i just have some random bunch of name.vpatvh and somethingother.sig someone sends by email 1375179;1453131941;ascii_butugychag;if you want the filenames to be garbage, you will have O(N^2) evaluation. 1375180;1453131945;ascii_butugychag;there is no way around this. 1375181;1453131951;ascii_butugychag;and i don't see why permit garbage. 1375182;1453131981;jurov;i want filename.vpatch that i can just take and slap .sig in the end of it to find a signature 1375183;1453132015;ascii_butugychag;very bad 1375184;1453132028;ascii_butugychag;because it will end up trying to overwrite every OTHER sig 1375185;1453132035;jurov;but this is Not Possible, now I have to parse the patchname out, and use that to look for sigs 1375186;1453132035;ascii_butugychag;more than one person signs a patch 1375187;1453132062;ascii_butugychag;i wrote v the way i did so that ALL patches and ALL seals can coexist on my disk and it be HUMAN-obvious which belong to whom and what. 1375188;1453132102;jurov;ok, why can't the .vpatch and author fields swap? 1375189;1453132118;ascii_butugychag;give example of the result ? 1375190;1453132139;ascii_butugychag;let's start with 'asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.vpatch.mod6.sig' 1375191;1453132140;jurov;bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig 1375192;1453132144;ascii_butugychag;what will this be under new convention ? 1375193;1453132158;jurov;also, what the 1 left over after splitting by '.' does there? 1375194;1453132177;jurov;it would be 'asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.mod6.vpatch.sig' 1375195;1453132194;ascii_butugychag;how does this help anything ? 1375196;1453132212;ascii_butugychag;that .mod6. does not belong in the vpatch name 1375197;1453132218;ascii_butugychag;it relates ONLY to the seal 1375198;1453132243;jurov;so? 1375199;1453132262;ascii_butugychag;so i don't see what the point is of this change 1375200;1453132266;ascii_butugychag;it breaks everybody's 'v' 1375201;1453132268;ascii_butugychag;to what end ? 1375202;1453132274;jurov;instead of *.vpatch.*.sig you have *.vpatch.sig filenames which are a bit easier to work with 1375203;1453132289;ascii_butugychag;HOW? 1375204;1453132306;ascii_butugychag;the .asciilifeform.sig IMMEDIATELY tells you that asciilifeform signed the thing before the . 1375205;1453132315;ascii_butugychag;what the fuck is the point of garbling it ? 1375206;1453132321;ascii_butugychag;easier for WHAT ? 1375207;1453132355;jurov;eh nm 1375208;1453132358;PeterL;should have patch.vpatch and patch.vpatch.SIGNER1.sig and patch.vpatch.SIGNER2.sig ? 1375209;1453132373;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: this is the EXISTING convention, yes 1375210;1453132377;ascii_butugychag;which happens to be sane. 1375211;1453132389;PeterL;ok, makes sense to me, why change it? 1375212;1453132407;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: idk, but jurov had some reason, which i still don't fully grasp 1375213;1453132418;jurov;nevermind, i said, i did not though to be som paramount 1375214;1453132543;jurov;only the question what is the '1' in bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig doing there 1375215;1453132563;ascii_butugychag;actually in that case i've no idea, iirc mod6 put it there 1375216;1453132569;mod6;a long time ago. we had a different convention. 1375217;1453132580;mod6;and now its written in stone. 1375218;1453132586;ascii_butugychag;the fortunate thing is that it is NOT 1375219;1453132599;ascii_butugychag;v will run if you rename the patch to 'fuckyou' and the sig to 'fuckapig' 1375220;1453132621;ascii_butugychag;(or rather, a slightly improved 'v' will run, existing one requires patch name to remain same) 1375221;1453132666;ascii_butugychag;but then you get O(N^2), yes. 1375222;1453132703;jurov;so if there is a RFC someday you're against specifying filename convention? 1375223;1453132709;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1375224;1453132712;ascii_butugychag;let me say why. 1375225;1453132734;ascii_butugychag;the O(N^2) instrinsic runtime of unknown-patch-bag+unknown-sig-bag is something i realized from the start 1375226;1453132739;ascii_butugychag;and i don't see it as a serious boojum 1375227;1453132757;ascii_butugychag;because i don't believe that any project has any business cancerously growing patches until this turns into a serious boojum. 1375228;1453132767;ascii_butugychag;after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis. 1375229;1453132778;mod6;any way the real sig name is currently "bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.vpatch.mod6.sig" not <+jurov> only the question what is the '1' in bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig doing there 1375230;1453132780;ascii_butugychag;nothing lives forever. 1375231;1453132826;ascii_butugychag;the other thing i oughta mention is that imho a core principle of v-ism is that it is impermissible for trust to be implicitly delegated. 1375232;1453132848;ascii_butugychag;this means that at no point do ~i~ get to do less verification ~because of something the mirror host does~ - e.g., verify mailed in patches 1375233;1453132855;ascii_butugychag;i have to do THE SAME amount of verification work. 1375234;1453132860;ascii_butugychag;or we're using shithub, not v. 1375235;1453132887;ascii_butugychag;this means that if jurov's box has to verify my patch against every known sig every single time it presses to post to www, SO SHOULD MINE 1375236;1453132897;ascii_butugychag;does this make sense ? 1375237;1453132902;ascii_butugychag;no implicit delegations. 1375238;1453132949;ascii_butugychag;in EXACTLY same way as my trb node does THE SAME amount of number crunching whether it hears a block from gavin's node or from mircea_popescu's. 1375239;1453132964;jurov;what??? i said nothing bout delegations 1375240;1453132974;ascii_butugychag;jurov: this is separate, mostly 1375241;1453132995;ascii_butugychag;but you also gotta consider what your box will do if it gets an inappropriately (for whatever reason) named patch. 1375242;1453133012;ascii_butugychag;what i say is that REGARDLESS of the names, if THE CRYPTO is valid, it is a VALID patch/seal tuple. 1375243;1453133015;ascii_butugychag;for all time. 1375244;1453133073;jurov;it will publish and otherwise ignore it, I will tell everyone to add it to their v repository by hand. 1375245;1453133085;jurov;(if anyone asks) 1375246;1453133143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2554 @ 0.00050896 = 1.2999 BTC [-] 1375247;1453133196;jurov;i don't see ml as any authoritative source, nor it can't be 1375248;1453133214;jurov;that does not mean it can't be tidy 1375249;1453133216;mod6;so what are we trying to achieve here? 1375250;1453133249;mod6;its a good start to just not mangle the filenames -- thats all set now right? 1375251;1453133274;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1375252;1453133328;jurov;mod6 if it can validate a signature (by name, NOT by scanning all files), it will add to its v mirror 1375253;1453133337;jurov;that's all 1375254;1453133345;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.cabinaselquetzal.com/fotos/P1070211.JPG 1375255;1453133347;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBsZkl ) 1375256;1453133391;mod6;jurov: oh ok, you were gonna have the ML dump the vpatch & seal out to a second mirror? 1375257;1453133402;ascii_butugychag;incidentally 1375258;1453133407;ascii_butugychag;since folks are contemplating 'ideal v' 1375259;1453133414;jurov;what does "seal out" mean? 1375260;1453133417;ascii_butugychag;has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ? 1375261;1453133428;ascii_butugychag;that is, individual 'patchons' ? 1375262;1453133431;mircea_popescu;jurov dump (the vpatch & seal) out to 1375263;1453133443;jurov;oh that, yes 1375264;1453133451;ascii_butugychag;(the objects where ---whatever, HASH +++whatever, HASH) 1375265;1453133454;mircea_popescu;we'll end up with bitcoin-lispassets. 1375266;1453133471;mod6;ascii_butugychag: you mean, atoms in the sense of vpatches only for individual source files touched? 1375267;1453133472;ascii_butugychag;well if you think about it, the way we have it now is actually more complicated 1375268;1453133480;ascii_butugychag;in that things that have no business being glued together, ARE 1375269;1453133485;ascii_butugychag;from sheer historical accident 1375270;1453133493;ascii_butugychag;mod6: correct 1375271;1453133521;mod6;we could do it that way, it /may/ make things easier in the sense of V -- we've been doing it the way we are to keep the patch count low iirc. 1375272;1453133536;ascii_butugychag;mod6: correct. and to save wear on our trigger fingers 1375273;1453133543;ascii_butugychag;but it may lead us to tears later. 1375274;1453133548;jurov;and why? 1375275;1453133584;ascii_butugychag;i will leave the 'why' as an exercise. largely because this is not a pressing issue. 1375276;1453133611;jurov;i see it as going back to RCS , no idea otherwise 1375277;1453133653;ascii_butugychag;rcs ? 1375278;1453133682;jurov;iirc it tracked changes per one file only 1375279;1453133685;mod6;https://www.gnu.org/software/rcs/ 1375280;1453133686;assbot;RCS - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBtuuC ) 1375281;1453133745;ascii_butugychag;btw i hope everybody understands that life with 'v' is always going to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git') 1375282;1453133753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00052044 = 3.0186 BTC [+] {2} 1375283;1453133776;mircea_popescu;should i break down and try to rfc this ? 1375284;1453133782;ascii_butugychag;because it is not built for comfort. just as t-34 tank was not. 1375285;1453133792;ascii_butugychag;or how kalash buttstock is not built to be a dildo. 1375286;1453133843;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: sounds splendid 1375287;1453133850;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375228 << what's your idea of that certain point ? 1k ? 10k ? 1mn ? 1375288;1453133850;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis. 1375289;1453133861;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: 'when epoch ends' 1375290;1453133865;ascii_butugychag;it isn't a numeric thing 1375291;1453133872;mircea_popescu;seems on some very rudimentary testing and evaluation that the compile would still take longer than the gathering of patches with ~1mn ish of them around 1375292;1453133909;ascii_butugychag;and it parallelizes. 1375293;1453133911;mircea_popescu;but this is not a matter to be handwaved. 1375294;1453133921;jurov;i did not say anything about comfort, either. how do you propose bundling the patch spanning several files where hunks don't make sense individually? 1375295;1453133923;mircea_popescu;for the following reason : v adoption will induce a major shift in how software is treated, 1375296;1453133938;mircea_popescu;and your guess depends on how people software as a much lower node on that tree. 1375297;1453133947;mircea_popescu;people will NOT WANT to genesis an old and famous tree. 1375298;1453133988;ascii_butugychag;why not ? 1375299;1453133995;punkman;ascii_butugychag: that is, individual 'patchons' ? << darcs does some of that automatically 1375300;1453134001;mircea_popescu;for the same reason louis xvth pretended he comes from the fucking sun 1375301;1453134003;ascii_butugychag;one would think that an old and famous tree woudl end up perma-pressed at some point 1375302;1453134010;mircea_popescu;by whom ? 1375303;1453134023;ascii_butugychag;just like every kid who wants to doodle in the margins of newton's principia starts with ~the same~ edition thereof 1375304;1453134027;mircea_popescu;need i remind you the lulz of x.org recently lost ? 1375305;1453134033;ascii_butugychag;rather than a randomly selected one of 100 newton-era drafts 1375306;1453134045;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: wai wut?? 1375307;1453134047;mircea_popescu;you can't get those people in a room together to sign a new genesis. 1375308;1453134061;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag x lost its only asset because people couldn't agree to sit down and extend it. 1375309;1453134070;ascii_butugychag;l0l!! 1375310;1453134078;mircea_popescu;don't laugh, it's a necessary consequence. 1375311;1453134089;deedbot-;[Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/ 1375312;1453134089;ascii_butugychag;of what? lead in the water ? 1375313;1453134125;mircea_popescu;consider this scenario : bitcoin in 2020. mod6 has meanwhile gone hunting seals on the artic circle. you live in a remote mining colony up on the fucking moon. 1375314;1453134133;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do we "re-genesis" the bitcoin ? 1375315;1453134150;ascii_butugychag;that's the job of whoever thinks it needs another million patches, no? 1375316;1453134163;mircea_popescu;this is not reason. 1375317;1453134178;mircea_popescu;the only saving grace i see here is that it doesn't HAVE to be n^2 1375318;1453134184;mircea_popescu;it can also be n, if you just use the right fucking names. 1375319;1453134192;ascii_butugychag;as i wrote it, aha. 1375320;1453134202;mircea_popescu;but let us be considerate to the progeny. 1375321;1453134210;ascii_butugychag;i very clearly spelled this out, when first published it. 1375322;1453134215;mircea_popescu;i think we've seen enough of the pitfals of disconsidering progeny in satoshi's work. 1375323;1453134261;mod6;amen 1375324;1453134561;mircea_popescu;"The basic formatting conventions for RFCs were established in the 1970s by the original RFC Editor, Jon Postel." 1375325;1453134612;mircea_popescu;da fuck. am i going to call it a rfc ? if not, why not, if yes am i going to follow the "guidelines" ? which ? the most recent ? who the fuck is "Internet Architecture Board (IAB)" that i should care, nevber heard of 'em. the original ? seriously, postel ? 1375326;1453134627;mircea_popescu;fucking shit before you do anything you gotta dry some land first. 1375327;1453134675;mircea_popescu;o look at that, importing cmos. 1375328;1453134716;mircea_popescu;"The RFC Editor generally follows these accepted rules as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) [CMOS], with a few important exceptions to avoid ambiguity in complex technical prose and to handle mixtures of text and computer languages, or to preserve historical formatting rules." << kids, this is how not to code. 1375329;1453134788;mircea_popescu;bah. 1375330;1453134796;PeterL;we need our own RFC format? 1375331;1453134814;mircea_popescu;tel lyou what, i'ma make it a v instead, fuck this stupid shit. 1375332;1453134817;ascii_butugychag;this is kinda why i stopped 1375333;1453134819;mircea_popescu;i'm not importing rfc. 1375334;1453134830;ascii_butugychag;i tried, on the train, and nearly barfed. 1375335;1453134838;mircea_popescu;https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=--hwdiff&url2=rfc7322 << would you look at this retarded crap 1375336;1453134841;assbot;wdiff draft-iab-styleguide rfc7322.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZHmvLy ) 1375337;1453134856;mircea_popescu;the work that went into all this stupidity. 1375338;1453134862;ascii_butugychag;(though i recently bought a strange widget that puts electric current through your wrist and keeps you from barfing, nfi how, but wurks, so we can see again!) 1375339;1453134862;mircea_popescu;how did that quote go 1375340;1453134893;mircea_popescu;"This devastating outcome for stakeholders indicates what can happen when much brainpower and energy are applied to a faulty premise." 1375341;1453134915;ascii_butugychag;^ whole history of kompoyoooting as-a-field, aha. 1375342;1453135115;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1375343;1453135152;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375311 << so i read this, and one thing continues to perplex me, 1375344;1453135152;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 16:21:29; deedbot-: [Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/ 1375345;1453135209;ascii_butugychag;why does usg keep returning to idiot humint claptrap (e.g., 'consensus-building' etc) when it could leverage its only real strength, money and captive engineers ? 1375346;1453135219;ascii_butugychag;build yottahash plant, etc. 1375347;1453135223;mircea_popescu;that it has no money and no engineers. 1375348;1453135260;mircea_popescu;why does it keep losing in the east when it could have "leveraged" it's "best army in the world" bahamas has in rthe books ? 1375349;1453135264;ascii_butugychag;it has plenty of each, but they are not on 'gs' civil service ladder. 1375350;1453135274;mircea_popescu;for that matter, why didn't soviet russia mobilize all those book-only assets ? 1375351;1453135285;mircea_popescu;why didn't 1910 china mobilize the infinity army it had and beat the english ? 1375352;1453135292;ascii_butugychag;because they wanted american pants. 1375353;1453135295;mircea_popescu;you recall the story of the palace fire when that castrato ascended ? 1375354;1453135303;ascii_butugychag;there is not a meta-america whose pants these engineers want to put on. 1375355;1453135310;ascii_butugychag;that is sorta the whole of it. 1375356;1453135325;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: pu yi ? aha 1375357;1453135326;mircea_popescu;not even close. it's just what you want to believe so as not to wake screaming from your sleep. 1375358;1453135333;ascii_butugychag;hey i already wake up screaming 1375359;1453135345;ascii_butugychag;so i would readily believe it if i had any reason to think it true 1375360;1453135354;ascii_butugychag;what, i'll scream twice ? 1375361;1453135363;mircea_popescu;anyway, what i'm going to do here is : write a trilema article titled The V Manual Genesis or something, which will discuss but also contain a genesis for something called v-manual 1375362;1453135374;mircea_popescu;is that a good name for it ? kinda confusing as fuck 1375363;1453135388;mircea_popescu;i guess in time the convention that x-manual holds the manual will resolve this. 1375364;1453135388;ascii_butugychag;i called my draft simply 'v-genesis' 1375365;1453135397;mircea_popescu;that's already taken 1375366;1453135401;mircea_popescu;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000151.html 1375367;1453135402;assbot;[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0DysO ) 1375368;1453135405;ascii_butugychag;ah hm then manual wurks 1375369;1453135426;mircea_popescu;and the idea being, that one can read whatever fucking manual he wants, signed by whatever subset of sigs he likes. 1375370;1453135427;ascii_butugychag;incidentally 1375371;1453135436;ascii_butugychag;i see no reason why mailing lists ought not be vtronic 1375372;1453135440;mircea_popescu;but ima put it first as an article so we don't end up needing a ton of small fixes signed 1375373;1453135442;ascii_butugychag;the ultimate historic annals. 1375374;1453135481;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag this is going towards "animated programs", where instead of looking at a program as a[n ultimately] bitmap you instead look at it as a gif, with layers coming on top of each other. 1375375;1453135499;mircea_popescu;makes your "fits on page" thing much more of an issue. "all programs must fit within so and so viewport" 1375376;1453135520;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: machine only runs a flattened (pressed) item anyway 1375377;1453135524;ascii_butugychag;that is the part that 'oughta fit' 1375378;1453135526;mircea_popescu;anyway, a large part of trying to make a manual is that fuck me, we barely even understand what we're doing. 1375379;1453135532;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yes, but reading code is reading code. 1375380;1453135552;ascii_butugychag;reading history - is an art 1375381;1453135609;ascii_butugychag;at any rate, the large part of what i see as needing a manual, is the ~why~ of v 1375382;1453135633;ascii_butugychag;rather than the 'how', which is bound up in a particular implementation and probably best learned from ~reading its src~ 1375383;1453135646;mircea_popescu;myah. 1375384;1453135665;punkman;uppercase verbs for #b-a RFC: MUST, MUST NOT, FUCK YOU 1375385;1453135691;ascii_butugychag;and said document, at least in my attempt, was to describe some of the cockroaches that have been running around in human mind for millenia, that it tries to chlorophos. 1375386;1453135742;*;mircea_popescu is pacing around the room, will bbl with something. 1375387;1453135880;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375090 <<< works flawlessly on Deb/Ubuntu had to `export PERL_MM_OPT=` again tho. 1375388;1453135880;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks. 1375389;1453135881;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1375390;1453138847;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1375391;1453138848;gribble;897064840.267 1375392;1453138949;mod6;thanks shinohai! 1375393;1453138977;shinohai;!Up ascii_butugychag 1375394;1453138979;shinohai;np 1375395;1453139134;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag mk, i've got it, and it is scandalous. 1375396;1453139213;mod6;:] 1375397;1453139244;BingoBoingo;Oh what made what where nao https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41jzly/usg_in_btc_a_history_of_constant_failure/ 1375398;1453139245;assbot;USG in BTC, a history of constant failure : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBCpw5 ) 1375399;1453139420;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1375400;1453139426;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.11, vol: 7807.32328620 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.311, vol: 8222.6742 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.36, vol: 21758.83407143 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 2.753 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 388.968, vol: 51982.29760000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 387.434, vol: 276.91714162 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.35325, vol: 80.28751916 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1375401;1453139430;BingoBoingo;;;more 1375402;1453139430;gribble;388.084894489 1375403;1453139577;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: wai wut 1375404;1453139596;BingoBoingo;Falkvinge gone USG, Comoonity Oranizing https://archive.is/fvhaZ 1375405;1453139598;assbot;Some advice for everybody at this point in time : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/23aqbED ) 1375406;1453139613;BingoBoingo;*Orapizing 1375407;1453139629;BingoBoingo;;;google orap 1375408;1453139630;gribble;Orap (Pimozide) Drug Information: Description, User Reviews, Drug ...: ; Orap oral : Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings ...: ; PIMOZIDE - ORAL (Orap) side effects, medical uses, and drug ...: 1375409;1453139635;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/efd76f86-eb59-4a51-8307-723937c233c2/?raw=true << node up and running, lots of thanks to mod6 ! 1375410;1453139636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23aqeAt ) 1375411;1453139653;ascii_butugychag;congrats PeterL ! 1375412;1453139690;PeterL;surprisingly hard, but that's mostly my fault 1375413;1453139824;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: my original attempt at v manifesto was largely about how... it is a weapon. 1375414;1453139835;ascii_butugychag;against the people called 'adhesivists' in the 'shall be delivered' tale 1375415;1453139841;shinohai;gg PeterL 1375416;1453139871;mircea_popescu;bear with me, it's done, need just write it out. one hour. 1375417;1453139896;ascii_butugychag;(that is, vermin who base their entire lives on strategic deception and multilevel chumpatronics) 1375418;1453139911;ascii_butugychag;hm ok 1375419;1453140397;punkman;lol Falkvinge, "If there's no profit to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout." 1375420;1453140856;BingoBoingo;punkman: Falkvinge comes from a very peculair form of socialism I like to refer to Consumermunism 1375421;1453140860;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1375422;1453140985;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: l0lwut ? 1375423;1453141031;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: You know the sort of socialism that's primarily focused around what Walmart and the Record labels are doing 1375424;1453141038;ascii_butugychag;actually no ? 1375425;1453141058;BingoBoingo;You ever seen the anti-Walmart union protests or at least heard about them? 1375426;1453141087;ascii_butugychag;for some reason i thought those folks were forbidden to unionize 1375427;1453141105;BingoBoingo;They are, but the remaining unions protest against walmart because of it. 1375428;1453141120;BingoBoingo;And there's a big long history with that. 1375429;1453141153;BingoBoingo;I wrap that and the "piracy because poor" together with some other idiocies into the Consumermunism label. 1375430;1453141184;ascii_butugychag;what's 'piracy because poor' ? 1375431;1453141198;ascii_butugychag;is it mechanically distinguishable from 'piracy because fuckyou and it's my computer and fuckyou again' ? 1375432;1453141238;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: The crowd whose taste in music sucks so they pirate that and lament getting caught. Different from piracy because Fuck You in that pircy because Fuck you gets moral agency. 1375433;1453141256;BingoBoingo;piracy because poor is shoplifting 1375434;1453141265;BingoBoingo;piracy because Fuck You is an actual cause 1375435;1453141298;BingoBoingo;Mens Rae or the inability to have it is a driving force in Consumermunism 1375436;1453141298;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: you are thinking of... purpose, rather than cause 1375437;1453141313;mircea_popescu;ok here we go : http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ 1375438;1453141314;assbot;The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS ) 1375439;1453141325;mircea_popescu;please shoot me. 1375440;1453141333;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Maybe Havent had my coffee yet 1375441;1453141335;ascii_butugychag;i would argue that an illiterate kid who sees nothing wrong with copying bits is every bit as sane in this regard as RMS 1375442;1453141336;mircea_popescu;mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse. 1375443;1453141527;BingoBoingo;loller "Hi Mike. ... If I was a handler for an organization that wanted to insert an asset into the bitcoin community, someone like you would be the ideal candidate. Someone that young people, new to the community, naturally respect and will listen to. Strange how you've spent so much time cultivating your standing with people like that, while your reputation plummeted among the people that understood the network (and had far more 1375444;1453141527;BingoBoingo; skin in the game than you did, because if I remember correctly you never foresaw the spectacular growth of the bitcoin network, never thought it would work, and therefore did not really have that many coins yourself)." 1375445;1453141532;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: notbad 1375446;1453141533;BingoBoingo;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924626 1375447;1453141534;assbot;Hi Mike. I met you at San Jose conference in 2013. I remember very clearly- you ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0u3D8 ) 1375448;1453141567;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i'm creaming my pants at the notion that footnote 2 is actually provable, mathematically. 1375449;1453141609;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: that comment will likely hit /dev/null shortly.. 1375450;1453141631;mircea_popescu;it can't, because https://archive.is/rra5Q 1375451;1453141632;assbot;Hi Mike. I met you at San Jose conference in 2013. I remember very clearly- you ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0ucGy ) 1375452;1453141642;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1375453;1453141656;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/4VPIz 1375454;1453141657;assbot;No. It took a sharp fall in the BTC price. This narrative that Gavin and I were... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgCDHi ) 1375455;1453141666;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what would such a proof look like, do you suppose ? 1375456;1453141692;ascii_butugychag;something godel-flavoured ? 1375457;1453141696;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1375458;1453141713;mircea_popescu;one just has to correctly make the statement of their incorectness in a proper formed T. 1375459;1453141721;mircea_popescu;which is a huge pile of work, sadly. 1375460;1453141738;ascii_butugychag;and the result is virtually guaranteed to be indigestible. 1375461;1453141742;*;mircea_popescu for the first time in lyf regrets he's not been paying much attention to the whole pile of proofola. 1375462;1453141788;mircea_popescu;(properly formed above mostly means "minimal") 1375463;1453141792;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: there is unlikely to be anything you ~really want~ at the bottom of that pile. 1375464;1453141807;BingoBoingo;So I go to check my rss feed and get a link to https://archive.is/u0mZU 1375465;1453141807;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgCOSZ ) 1375466;1453141823;BingoBoingo;*reader, rss reader 1375467;1453141837;ascii_butugychag;but not entirely unrelatedly, acl2 is a pretty spiffy thing 1375468;1453141846;mircea_popescu;thinking atm something along the lines of "enough set theory to be able to define an algebra" 1375469;1453141851;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag perhaps not. 1375470;1453141863;ascii_butugychag;my first and probably last encounter with a mechanical proofatron that isn't immediately barfalicious in any way 1375471;1453141892;mircea_popescu;i dunno how i'd use it. 1375472;1453141930;ascii_butugychag;i intend to use it to demonstrate that, e.g., all 'p' programs terminate. 1375473;1453141942;ascii_butugychag;modest goal is key. 1375474;1453141955;mircea_popescu;heh. ok. 1375475;1453141963;mircea_popescu;0x01 talks about fucking identity. 1375476;1453141966;mircea_popescu;there's a gap here. 1375477;1453141987;ascii_butugychag;http://proofpad.org << for crapple users 1375478;1453141988;assbot;Proof Pad: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgD3NK ) 1375479;1453142027;mircea_popescu;"all p programs correctly evaluate whether they terminate" 1375480;1453142069;mircea_popescu;> user:darwins_pitbull created:3 hours ago karma:8 1375481;1453142071;mircea_popescu;>I have a long history of having a keenly skeptical eye, I have solid critical thinking skills, and I bat away wacky theories all day long. I have NEVER, in any forum, posted any comment of any type in regards to bitcoin, this is my first one- I believe in speaking humbly, thinking deeply and acting bravely. 1375482;1453142075;mircea_popescu;wtf is this bs lol. 1375483;1453142076;ascii_butugychag;gotta define what means 'correctly evaluate' 1375484;1453142086;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag that's the bitch, innit. 1375485;1453142108;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it will have to invoke... rings, fields, yes 1375486;1453142113;mircea_popescu;yes. 1375487;1453142131;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, i'm on a bit of a group theory kick 1375488;1453142166;ascii_butugychag;on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book... 1375489;1453142176;mircea_popescu;bwhaahah 1375490;1453142182;mircea_popescu;did you point out ? 1375491;1453142211;ascii_butugychag;nah but some other ru kid stood up and said 'your algo was broken no fewer than 3 times, do i invest now or wait for 4th' or approx. this 1375492;1453142218;ascii_butugychag;and everybody l0led in their pants 1375493;1453142219;mircea_popescu;lol 1375494;1453142240;mircea_popescu;shoulda bought the kid drinks. 1375495;1453142265;ascii_butugychag;prolly 1375496;1453142295;mircea_popescu;you gotta have moar sex with strangers alfie! 1375497;1453142295;BingoBoingo;!b 5 1375498;1453142297;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2JKW9GD.txt ) 1375499;1453142322;deedbot-;[Trilema] The V Manual Genesis - http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ 1375500;1453142343;ascii_butugychag;i will note that the few actual women attending were creatures straight out of mircea_popescu's okc articles 1375501;1453142362;ascii_butugychag;apparently! they are not kept in some specially designated zoo 1375502;1453142375;BingoBoingo;Gotta fix that 1375503;1453142376;mircea_popescu;nicely done PeterL 1375504;1453142883;mircea_popescu;heh 1375505;1453143301;mircea_popescu;"When such an enormous amount of crucial data (on the need to raise the blocksize limit) is ignored, that is done at the peril of the project." dude what is with all the derps ffs. 1375506;1453143326;mircea_popescu;what crucial data ? who who either holds any significant bitcoin, or runs any significant ~bitcoin~ business said ever anything about increasing block size ? 1375507;1453143356;mircea_popescu;it hasn't happened yet! there's a pile of data about how people UNINVOLVED in bitcoin in ANY capacity want to "improve" it, preferabvly in such a manner that their continued uninvolvement is less to their own detriment. 1375508;1453143358;mircea_popescu;big fucking whoop. 1375509;1453143385;mircea_popescu;here's an idea : there's an enormous amount of crucial data coming from all arab speakers that muricans should sit on a fucking pike from now on. because satan and such reasons. 1375510;1453143398;mircea_popescu;what's the progress on this deeply uncontroversial technical solution ? hm ? 1375511;1453143456;BingoBoingo;Seriously. I don't get the drive to adopt solutions pushed by ventures who broke doing things like http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-bowl-recap-nc-state-wins-34-27/ 1375512;1453143456;assbot;Bitcoin Bowl Recap: NC State Wins (34-27) | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PbIaGw ) 1375513;1453143503;mircea_popescu;is random redditard even the same guy ? 1375514;1453143508;BingoBoingo;No idea 1375515;1453143533;BingoBoingo;Likely though considering it harmonizes with his twatter's noise 1375516;1453143579;mircea_popescu;https://falkvinge.net/contact/ << derp "has experience" in stuff, no pgp sig. 1375517;1453143579;assbot;Contact - Falkvinge on Infopolicy ... ( http://bit.ly/1PbIncU ) 1375518;1453143583;mircea_popescu;psssh. 1375519;1453143595;mircea_popescu;ah here it is. 1375520;1453143640;mircea_popescu;!rate 8FF6B4382C3FE0C9700C7FD3DD2C5E65A090A6CE -1 less opining more reading. 1375521;1453143640;assbot;8FF6B4382C3FE0C9700C7FD3DD2C5E65A090A6CE is not registered in WoT. 1375522;1453143739;punkman;might be nice if assbot let us rate arbitrary gpg keys 1375523;1453143790;mircea_popescu;nah, enough to have the sort of crud in the logs, no need to put it in active db 1375524;1453143827;mircea_popescu;should any tim swanson want to show up later, it's rather trivial to !s anyway\ 1375525;1453143869;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375237 << yes this makes sense, yes it's there fundamentally. 1375526;1453143869;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 16:01:42; ascii_butugychag: no implicit delegations. 1375527;1453143939;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375252 << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D 1375528;1453143939;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 16:08:48; jurov: mod6 if it can validate a signature (by name, NOT by scanning all files), it will add to its v mirror 1375529;1453143942;mod6; <+mircea_popescu> mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse. << haha, ok. i probably wont get a start on this until later tonight tho. hope that's alright. 1375530;1453144033;mircea_popescu;no rush. 1375531;1453144191;BingoBoingo; ... << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D << I think of it as more a concordance for the v chain 1375532;1453144240;BingoBoingo;No reason to adapt PowerDerp language when there's already words for handling canon and accompanying accessories 1375533;1453144315;mircea_popescu;:p 1375534;1453144347;BingoBoingo;later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it. 1375535;1453144356;BingoBoingo;;;later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it. 1375536;1453144356;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1375537;1453144452;danielpbarron;do what now? 1375538;1453144472;mircea_popescu;#b-a can always be trusted to ferrer out crushingly impossible tasks for people more or less alligned with their interests. 1375539;1453144480;mircea_popescu;i am starting to think it's part of the appeal. 1375540;1453144481;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: If v is used to handle a canon, what sort of language accompanies things that surround a canon 1375541;1453144489;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1375542;1453144518;ascii_butugychag;ty BingoBoingo. and i'm a little surprised that nobody (not even pete_dushenski) mentioned talmud yet 1375543;1453144549;ascii_butugychag;which was really the original stone age vtron. 1375544;1453144554;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Going talmud instead of western church doesn't shit on luke 1375545;1453144577;BingoBoingo;Or eastern church 1375546;1453144581;BingoBoingo;Or whatevs 1375547;1453144589;ascii_butugychag;i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ? 1375548;1453144592;ascii_butugychag;just the visuals 1375549;1453144597;danielpbarron;i don't get it; you want me to write a bible or something? 1375550;1453144623;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: A guide to bilical/religious terms useful for understanding software 1375551;1453144658;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Never seen talmud in the flesh but pulled my chumash off shelf jsut now to make sure still here 1375552;1453144738;danielpbarron;what like "so and so patch begag such and such patch" ? 1375553;1453144743;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: But consider v or a piece of v software like Bitcoind as a bible analogue. What language describes things that go around a bible. 1375554;1453144744;danielpbarron;begat even 1375555;1453144767;danielpbarron;greek hebrew aramaic? 1375556;1453144769;BingoBoingo;Like mailing list as concordance to v chain 1375557;1453144777;BingoBoingo;what are logs 1375558;1453144787;danielpbarron;i don't dig concordance 1375559;1453144804;danielpbarron;i'm kinda a scripture-onlyist 1375560;1453144812;BingoBoingo;Useful for finding and digging, even if not itself dug 1375561;1453144905;BingoBoingo;Scripture only is useful for the already attuned, but for people seeking attunement, accessory texts offer introduction guidance, and hopefully attunement with the canon. 1375562;1453144914;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: danielpbarron's thing got perma-pressed and regenesised !! 1375563;1453144928;ascii_butugychag;as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375228 1375564;1453144928;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis. 1375565;1453144942;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: lol 1375566;1453144967;danielpbarron;i would say that people seeking attunement should read the source and not the notes scribbled in the margins 1375567;1453144973;BingoBoingo;aha 1375568;1453145050;danielpbarron;the closest thing to notes that i recommend are those atruechurch articles and his writing is mostly just comparing what false teachers say to what the Bible says, complete with many references 1375569;1453145054;BingoBoingo;Mebbe this really is more of a jew project for pete_dushenski or another member of the tribe 1375570;1453145071;BingoBoingo; the closest thing to notes that i recommend are those atruechurch articles and his writing is mostly just comparing what false teachers say to what the Bible says, complete with many references << AHA, but what is this? 1375571;1453145118;ascii_butugychag;the 'talmudic' view (of which my summary is by no means an expert one) is that the margin notes are like a map of a mine field 1375572;1453145128;ascii_butugychag;yes, the only CONCLUSIVE guide to the mine field is... the ~blam~ 1375573;1453145139;ascii_butugychag;but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide. 1375574;1453145142;ascii_butugychag;before you walk in. 1375575;1453145197;ascii_butugychag;and yes, the ultimate city fire code is your own, screaming, flaming half-corpse 1375576;1453145202;ascii_butugychag;but most people... etc, etc. 1375577;1453145306;BingoBoingo; but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide. << Model repeated mostly successfully with other texts. i.e. relationship between the Big Book and 12&12 1375578;1453145320;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1375579;1453145336;ascii_butugychag;i have no idea what these are 1375580;1453145350;danielpbarron;if you want to talk about V like you would talk about the Bible, you need hooks to point to (like chapter verse). so in V terms is this signed patch and line number or something? 1375581;1453145379;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron: this is a mega-point, and my original was to have a wwwtronic thing where you could point to an individual place in timespace 1375582;1453145391;ascii_butugychag;(line l of file f of pressing p) 1375583;1453145400;ascii_butugychag;we still do not, afaik, have this 1375584;1453145406;BingoBoingo; i have no idea what these are << Texts from my new cult teaching me sobriety. 1375585;1453145408;ascii_butugychag;but it is not difficult to understand what it must look like 1375586;1453145425;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought it was built on generic evangelical something-or-other 1375587;1453145428;ascii_butugychag;at least on paper 1375588;1453145437;danielpbarron;yes, and when you say l:f:p and I look it up, me must be looking at exactly the same code 1375589;1453145443;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron: aha! 1375590;1453145452;ascii_butugychag;this is not negotiable. 1375591;1453145458;jurov;just use three word codes. that would be defo talmudic 1375592;1453145475;danielpbarron;heh that means V could grow to the size of planet earth 1375593;1453145486;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1375594;1453145535;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: It's build on a generic thing forked and genericized from evangelical group refugees. Influenced heavily by William James. WHo would have though studying "Classic American Philosophy" would have been useful for understanding anything. 1375595;1453145576;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375260 << i do not want this 1375596;1453145576;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 16:10:17; ascii_butugychag: has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ? 1375597;1453145623;ben_vulpes;(also 'dark age blood sports' lol) 1375598;1453145651;BingoBoingo;"Classic American Philosophy" consists of Peirce who was cotemporaneous with James and did some interesting logic stuff. James who wrote the best American rebuttal to Hegel. Dewey who ruined everyhting with socialism. 1375599;1453145696;ben_vulpes;http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20160113/FREE/301179999/socially-conscious-investing-gets-a-boost-from-the-dol-fiduciary-rule << gotta love how the department of labor is somehow involved in fiduciary rule-setting 1375600;1453145697;assbot;Socially-conscious investing gets a boost from the DOL fiduciary rule ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPFWgU ) 1375601;1453145756;BingoBoingo;Then there's the black American philosophers who were largely discarded by socialists and comoonity organizers. 1375602;1453145815;mircea_popescu;^ 1375603;1453145836;mircea_popescu;ironically enough, nobody is such an enemy of black achievement as the political party using color as a lever on the public treasury. 1375604;1453145854;BingoBoingo;Seriously lots of great stuff from Black American philosphers until About 1890 1375605;1453145923;BingoBoingo;America's chance of having a philosophical tradition though died between 1910 and 1920 when James died, Dewey was lionized, and everyone treated James as fringe religious thinker and not rebuttal of the Hegelian. 1375606;1453145946;mircea_popescu;dewey of all people. 1375607;1453145991;BingoBoingo;Not Melvil the library Dewey, John the Original Obama Dewey 1375608;1453146012;BingoBoingo;Also distinct from the Dewey defeated by Truman 1375609;1453146067;mircea_popescu;yes yes. 1375610;1453146075;PeterL;Was that the original "called the election too early", or was there one before taht? 1375611;1453146076;BingoBoingo;me has recently started rereading school he drank and pissed out of brain with fresh eye to discarding the retarded stuff. 1375612;1453146093;BingoBoingo;Peter_L yes, in Union Station 1375613;1453146229;PeterL; yes, and when you say l:f:p and I look it up, me must be looking at exactly the same code << shouldn't chapter/verse be pressing:file:line ? 1375614;1453146318;PeterL;but bible sufferes from not having v, so who knows who added which parts 1375615;1453146331;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1375616;1453146423;danielpbarron;PeterL, God said He'd preserve His word and I believe Him 1375617;1453146431;jurov;PeterL: never late to v-ify 1375618;1453146442;PeterL;did he pgp sign that statement? 1375619;1453146464;danielpbarron;what good is a pgp from God? He can phuctor all keys 1375620;1453146477;PeterL;lol 1375621;1453146552;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AEEMJB.txt 1375622;1453146554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPH2Jn ) 1375623;1453146555;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1375624;1453146558;mircea_popescu;#b-a, where history's written. 1375625;1453146609;BingoBoingo;For people who have time, William James on Hegel http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/jnitrous.html 1375626;1453146655;ben_vulpes;what is this patch to disable asics? 1375627;1453146682;ben_vulpes;ahaha and mircea_popescu is finally dating missives with block heights 1375628;1453146702;mircea_popescu;:) 1375629;1453146724;ben_vulpes;imho, should really read "block height 6666666" 1375630;1453146735;ben_vulpes;but your screeds, your dating notation boss 1375631;1453146773;mircea_popescu;waiot wut 1375632;1453146829;ben_vulpes;s/Bitcoin blockchain/Bitcoin blockheight/ 1375633;1453146835;ben_vulpes;or even just block 1375634;1453146837;ben_vulpes;semantics 1375635;1453146840;ben_vulpes;disregard 1375636;1453146964;mircea_popescu;i suppose blockheight with no almohadilla is a better notation 1375637;1453147020;BingoBoingo;Getting high never changes: "My conclusion is that the togetherness of things in a common world, the law of sharing, of which I have said so much, may, when perceived, engender a very powerful emotion; that Hegel was so unusually susceptible to this emotion throughout his life that its gratification became his supreme end, and made him tolerably unscrupulous as to means he employed; that indifferentism is the true outcome of every 1375638;1453147020;BingoBoingo; view of the world which make infinity and continuity to be its sessence, and that pessimistic or optimistic attitudes pertain to the mere accidental subjectivity of the moment; finally, that the identification of contradictories, so far from being the self-developing process which Hegel supposes, is really a self-consuming process, passing from the less to the more abstract, and terminating either in a laugh at the ultimate nothi 1375639;1453147024;BingoBoingo;ngness, or in a mood of vertiginous amazement at a meaningless infinity." 1375640;1453147025;mod6;January the 18th 2014 1375641;1453147026;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 1375642;1453147027;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 387.0, Best ask: 387.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 387.24, 24 hour volume: 21043.0427483, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 390.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1375643;1453147040;mircea_popescu;fun fact : # comes from a quick scribble of lb, which comes from libra pondo 1375644;1453147083;mod6;mircea_popescu: see prev. comment 1375645;1453147159;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1375646;1453147211;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: oblig: http://www.lawrencesupino.com/letter.html 1375647;1453147212;assbot;The Art of Lawrence Supino-Zaporozhian Cossacks of Ukraine Writing a Mocking Letter in Reply to the Sultan of Turkey ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBQ4Dn ) 1375648;1453147233;ascii_butugychag;or hm, that's some lamer's copy 1375649;1453147247;mircea_popescu;heh 1375650;1453147248;ascii_butugychag;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Repin_Cossacks.jpg 1375651;1453147249;assbot;File:Repin Cossacks.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBQ9qF ) 1375652;1453147250;ascii_butugychag;^ the original 1375653;1453147261;mircea_popescu;!s cossacks 1375654;1453147262;assbot;6 results for 'cossacks' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cossacks 1375655;1453147268;mircea_popescu;there they be. 1375656;1453147404;mircea_popescu;jurov you know what they mean by textuality, intertextuality and all that jazz ? 1375657;1453147481;mircea_popescu;(not in the sense that the post-structuralist blabla is even indicative, nor that the original structuralist view dispositive. but even in a much more restrained, conservative view, the concept carries water.) 1375658;1453147614;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hm ? <+mircea_popescu> deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AEEMJB.txt <+mod6> January the 18th 2014 1375659;1453147615;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPH2Jn ) 1375660;1453147650;mircea_popescu;(indicative and dispositive are used here, ftr, as classical legal concepts. something's indicative if it contains or procures a means to evaluate the truth of a claim. something's dispositive if it is the means to resolve a claim.) 1375661;1453147666;mircea_popescu;ahahaha i signed it as 2014 ? 1375662;1453147672;mod6;:D 1375663;1453147682;mircea_popescu;lol i guess this shows just how unreliable the non-blockchgain timestamp is 1375664;1453147685;mod6;time doesn't matter anyway, only the block height matters 1375665;1453147691;mircea_popescu;either that or i had the thing lying around on my hdd for two years to the day now 1375666;1453147699;mod6;haha, ya 1375667;1453147755;ascii_butugychag;lucky mircea_popescu isn't a sapper ! 1375668;1453147783;mircea_popescu;if i were a sapper i'd have long ago moved on to relaxing by the maker's pool. 1375669;1453147785;jurov;mircea_popescu: no 1375670;1453147825;mircea_popescu;jurov well if you're bored you can read up on literary theory. if not, your question can't really be answered. 1375671;1453147870;mircea_popescu;the saussure - derrirda debate prolly a good starting point. 1375672;1453147914;mircea_popescu;for your sins you'll have to brush almost as much crud off all that stuff as anyone trying to use linux today. 1375673;1453148098;*;mircea_popescu just realised we're actually in danger of falling into a unified theory of everything with all this, and nobody'll even understand it. 1375674;1453148108;jurov;"true cuz God said so" 1375675;1453148114;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1375676;1453148126;jurov;it will end up like ^ 1375677;1453148148;mircea_popescu;nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction". 1375678;1453148161;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3NC67M7.txt 1375679;1453148162;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBRJcg ) 1375680;1453148163;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1375681;1453148164;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1375682;1453148168;mircea_popescu;people love to view the field of expression as unfinite. then again, they loved to see the west the same way. 1375683;1453148195;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fuck you, hegel would totally kick your boy's butt. 1375684;1453148257;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Perhaps historical hegel would. Hegel as used by derps that spz popular socialist conception of hegel can eat a dick. 1375685;1453148267;mircea_popescu;oh that. no contest. 1375686;1453148279;mircea_popescu;poor guy would have an aneurism. 1375687;1453148292;mircea_popescu;most likely go ask for an audience with hitler to complain. 1375688;1453148320;BingoBoingo;For all practical purposes actual historical Hegel is irrelevant to discussions of popular hegelianism 1375689;1453148339;mircea_popescu;"was a great man" 1375690;1453148344;mircea_popescu;"fought the devils" 1375691;1453148361;mircea_popescu;there's a delicious mockery of this, century+old. sadly, in romanian, 1375692;1453148408;BingoBoingo;aha 1375693;1453148488;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the United States "Hegelianism" was for time a derpy populist movement among the class that would birth Clitler. These are the people who would latch on to John Dewey. 1375694;1453148501;mircea_popescu;aha 1375695;1453148504;BingoBoingo;deeding was a response to https://archive.is/70Zz9 1375696;1453148505;assbot;2016 Could Be Bitcoin's Year If We Help It - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsjL0 ) 1375697;1453148531;BingoBoingo;Hegelianism though refers to a specific Anglophone phenomenon unrelated to actual Hegel 1375698;1453148616;*;BingoBoingo might have to fire up the not-Qntra blogotron this week to go over this 1375699;1453148708;mircea_popescu;fancy that one! 1375700;1453148711;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd read. 1375701;1453148847;ascii_butugychag;in other nyooz, HOLY SHIT is 'flycheck' (the supposed replacement, pushed everywhere one meets shithub types, for 'flymake') a piece of shit !! 1375702;1453148855;BingoBoingo;It's a clear candidate for not Qntra as writing it would be for my personal development rather than reporting of Bitcoin news. Because deep intellectual failings presented by other outlets is not news in itself 1375703;1453148864;ascii_butugychag;emacs 24 on mac BREAKS flymake 1375704;1453148887;ascii_butugychag;which is THE standard compile-and-markup-your-window-with-errors-and-warnings widget for emacs 1375705;1453148913;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375566 << "read the code" huh. 1375706;1453148913;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:22:47; danielpbarron: i would say that people seeking attunement should read the source and not the notes scribbled in the margins 1375707;1453148922;ascii_butugychag;flymake was very simple, it just ran your makefile, which was required to have a check-syntax line in it (see, e.g., my block extractor program for example) 1375708;1453148931;ascii_butugychag;as such it did not care what cpu you built for, etc 1375709;1453148937;ascii_butugychag;cray, nintendo, etc 1375710;1453148940;ascii_butugychag;so long as you had gnumake 1375711;1453148953;ascii_butugychag;whereas 'flycheck' IGNORES makefiles 1375712;1453148964;BingoBoingo;First notable change in the wake of Silbert/Selkis Coindesk takeover: "currently only two nascent bitcoin platforms worth watching in 2016: Coinbase and 21 Inc" https://archive.is/MWlK3 1375713;1453148965;assbot;5 Big Questions for Bitcoin in 2016 - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBSTVf ) 1375714;1453148970;BingoBoingo;!up drnet 1375715;1453148971;mircea_popescu;!up drnet 1375716;1453148976;ascii_butugychag;and so you have to set custom environment variables to set include paths, or gcc flags, etc 1375717;1453148984;ascii_butugychag;and SATAN HELP YOU if you have clang on your machine 1375718;1453148987;ascii_butugychag;it will INSIST on using it. 1375719;1453149017;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i recall the "currently only bitcoinica and blabla" expert opinions of years past. anyone old enough to remember shtylman, the genius-boy-expert with a funny hat of 2013 ? 1375720;1453149032;mircea_popescu;the one that was going to save us through his boyish good looks and vctron smarts ? 1375721;1453149035;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think that was maye 2012 1375722;1453149040;mircea_popescu;was it ? 1375723;1453149044;mircea_popescu;perhaps it was huh. 1375724;1453149049;BingoBoingo;yeah, 2013 I would have seen it 1375725;1453149067;mircea_popescu;epic interview, i think the last one too, on the tv show of that guy with the camera in demo mode 1375726;1453149068;ascii_butugychag;https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/blob/master/flycheck.el#L5768 << example of what i meant 1375727;1453149076;mircea_popescu;bruce fagwith or what was his name. 1375728;1453149084;ascii_butugychag;i am only speaking of this here because it turns out to be a PERFECT example of poetteringization 1375729;1453149091;ascii_butugychag;encountered by surprise in something i rely on every day 1375730;1453149108;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag and i only don't say anything because i'm rahter unsurprised. 1375731;1453149114;ascii_butugychag;so lo and behold i find, https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/issues/207 1375732;1453149115;assbot;Allow arbitrary commandline arguments for the clang checker · Issue #207 · flycheck/flycheck · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBT96p ) 1375733;1453149128;ascii_butugychag;'@sethfowler I won't allow arbitrary command lines for syntax checkers. ... Tell me, which concrete flags you need, and I'll add corresponding options.' 1375734;1453149131;ascii_butugychag;(author) 1375735;1453149152;ascii_butugychag;and i go to the site, and guess what i see, 1375736;1453149153;ascii_butugychag;http://www.flycheck.org/conduct.html 1375737;1453149154;assbot;Flycheck Code of Conduct — Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBTbv9 ) 1375738;1453149181;ascii_butugychag;bubonic derplague in full bloom !! 1375739;1453149212;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag guy seems willing to accomodate tho 1375740;1453149213;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Interested in doing a rant for Qntra on the "code of conduct" phenomenon and poetteringization? 1375741;1453149229;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: aha, he will put in my individual custom include paths, sure thing 1375742;1453149244;mircea_popescu;seems there's a -std= added for instance 1375743;1453149253;ascii_butugychag;THIS IS TO BE READ FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING MAKEFILE 1375744;1453149257;mircea_popescu;and they end up adding -include ? 1375745;1453149260;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1375746;1453149262;ascii_butugychag;i develop for 5 different cpus. 1375747;1453149264;BingoBoingo;!b 6 1375748;1453149264;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MC33E6.txt ) 1375749;1453149279;mircea_popescu;Adapted from the Rust Code of Conduct. 1375750;1453149279;mircea_popescu;Copyright (c) 2015 Sebastian Wiesner and Flycheck contributors 1375751;1453149279;mircea_popescu;Copyright (c) 2014 The Rust Project Developers 1375752;1453149280;mircea_popescu;lol 1375753;1453149286;mircea_popescu;what's rust again ? 1375754;1453149289;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: you know this fella? 1375755;1453149294;mircea_popescu;nope. 1375756;1453149300;BingoBoingo;Rust is Mozilla's "systems programming" language 1375757;1453149309;mircea_popescu;"And if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize. Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could have communicated better remember that its your responsibility to make your fellow Flycheck people comfortable." 1375758;1453149313;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha holy shit. 1375759;1453149320;ascii_butugychag;what i want to know is how this became a standard 1375760;1453149323;mircea_popescu;flycheck is hereby banned from anywhere 1375761;1453149330;mircea_popescu;don't fucking include it, i will negrate you. 1375762;1453149340;ascii_butugychag;and emacs was allowed to decay to the point where the tool that ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS AND IS 100 LINES AND NEVER EVER BREAKS is now broken 1375763;1453149368;ascii_butugychag;i spent all day trying to get this piece of not-even-qualified-to-be-shit to run 1375764;1453149381;ascii_butugychag;then realized that it is ~intrinsically~ unusable for any serious project 1375765;1453149396;mircea_popescu;foofoos an feefees are the responsibility of the foofoo-feefeer and his alone what the fuck already. 1375766;1453149398;ascii_butugychag;then realized that the motherfucker prolly gets away with this because.. makefiles are 'out of fashion' ! 1375767;1453149415;ascii_butugychag;one is, i suspect, supposed to use some proprietary build system, such as crapple's 1375768;1453149420;ascii_butugychag;unless you're a terrorist. 1375769;1453149477;mircea_popescu;i wish to know what other definition for immaturity can be had, than a subjective expectations of others to accommodate your feelings. 1375770;1453149484;ascii_butugychag;https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/blob/master/flycheck.el#L5807 << BEHOLD, all of the things that are supposed to be gcc flags, ENUMERATED 1375771;1453149489;assbot;flycheck/flycheck.el at master · flycheck/flycheck · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdoW0R ) 1375772;1453149493;mircea_popescu;if you feel hurt in any way to any degree by anything you read - the problem is you. fix yourself. 1375773;1453149495;ascii_butugychag;imagine if your car came with a list of all possible streets it can make left turns into 1375774;1453149503;ascii_butugychag;and if your street is not on this list, shuddup and die. 1375775;1453149513;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i fully expect this is where us car production is headed. 1375776;1453149525;mircea_popescu;"you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc". 1375777;1453149528;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: aha. this is only not yet achieved for purely technical reasons. 1375778;1453149533;mircea_popescu;gotta give itinerary at dealership 1375779;1453149555;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell ben_vulpes any idea why 'flymake' on mac never finds makefiles ? 1375780;1453149555;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1375781;1453149591;ascii_butugychag;oh and i suppose for completeness of this thread i oughta mention one other thing 1375782;1453149601;ascii_butugychag;check out http://www.flycheck.org/manual/latest/Installation.html#Installation 1375783;1453149602;assbot;Flycheck: Installation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdpbt4 ) 1375784;1453149604;mircea_popescu;o look, script finally terminated. now here's 6gb worth of okcupid profiles including as best as i can discern all females to sift through. 1375785;1453149607;ascii_butugychag;it wants to load from the net !! 1375786;1453149615;ascii_butugychag;with fashionable ! dependencies ! 1375787;1453149621;mircea_popescu;lol 1375788;1453149654;ascii_butugychag;such as: 1375789;1453149654;ascii_butugychag;https://github.com/magnars/dash.el 1375790;1453149656;assbot;magnars/dash.el: A modern list library for ... - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBU1rJ ) 1375791;1453149661;mircea_popescu;:D 1375792;1453149663;mircea_popescu;MODERN! 1375793;1453149663;ascii_butugychag;'A modern list library for Emacs' 1375794;1453149679;mircea_popescu;schmucks. 1375795;1453149682;ascii_butugychag;https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/let-alist.html 1375796;1453149697;ascii_butugychag;and, lastly, https://github.com/NicolasPetton/seq.el 1375797;1453149698;assbot;NicolasPetton/seq.el - Emacs Lisp - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBU3A1 ) 1375798;1453149719;ascii_butugychag;and these all, at least if you use the recommended installer (no other instructions are provided), loaded from the net straight 1375799;1453149723;ascii_butugychag;without anything like pgp sigs, etc 1375800;1453149729;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375582 << not for any fundamental reason tho 1375801;1453149729;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:29:51; ascii_butugychag: (line l of file f of pressing p) 1375802;1453149756;ascii_butugychag;i was going to write an actual blog post about the flycheck thing 1375803;1453149758;ascii_butugychag;but could not do it 1375804;1453149766;ascii_butugychag;just made me ill. 1375805;1453149835;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375591 << i lollered. 1375806;1453149835;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:30:58; jurov: just use three word codes. that would be defo talmudic 1375807;1453149877;mircea_popescu;can they be capitalized so we're as cool as NSA and early LISP ? MECHANICGIRAFFESORBET 1375808;1453149911;mircea_popescu;TERTIARYMINTGLASS 1375809;1453149934;ascii_butugychag;iirc somebody wrote a very spiffy generator for these. 1375810;1453149944;mircea_popescu;SQUIRRELPREPUCEDELUGE 1375811;1453149957;ascii_butugychag;urgh 1375812;1453149972;mircea_popescu;shut up and swim like a man! 1375813;1453149977;*;ascii_butugychag swims. 1375814;1453149987;mircea_popescu;lol he drowned. 1375815;1453149990;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1375816;1453149997;ascii_butugychag;been swimming in precisely it, all day, even... 1375817;1453150012;mircea_popescu;you know the "break's over, head down" joke ? 1375818;1453150029;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375677 << and how is this different from "undecidable statement"? 1375819;1453150029;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 20:15:48; mircea_popescu: nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction". 1375820;1453150058;mircea_popescu;jurov an undecidable statement is one for which it is not known if an invalidating case exists. 1375821;1453150067;mircea_popescu;if it is known an invalidating case can't exist this implies truth. 1375822;1453150070;jurov;no 1375823;1453150076;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: everybody knows it i think 1375824;1453150081;ascii_butugychag;with the programmer in hell. 1375825;1453150085;mircea_popescu;aha 1375826;1453150090;jurov;undecidable statement is proven to not have discoverable answer 1375827;1453150100;mircea_popescu;jurov this is still not the same. 1375828;1453150275;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375595 << i think it's bad also. not merely the sports thing, but, it offends the will of the author. 1375829;1453150275;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:32:56; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375260 << i do not want this 1375830;1453150314;mircea_popescu;if he wanted to make two patches, he would have. if you wish to invalidate his call, make the two fucking patches and sign them. goes right back to the "implicit trust" machinery thing. 1375831;1453150451;ascii_butugychag;i'm persuaded. 1375832;1453150461;jurov;mircea_popescu: still, then it would be the first successful ever of non-axiomatic proof of nonexistence 1375833;1453150463;ascii_butugychag;sorta why i didn't cut'em up to begin with 1375834;1453150469;mircea_popescu;jurov yes. 1375835;1453150498;mircea_popescu;i did say it's scandalous. this is no small part of why. 1375836;1453150714;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: it's haskell, who knows or cares 1375837;1453150728;ben_vulpes;it's your gulagbox, who knows or cares 1375838;1453150730;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: holy shit wat??! 1375839;1453150735;ben_vulpes;flycheck? 1375840;1453150743;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: i was asking about ~flymake~ 1375841;1453150746;ben_vulpes;oh 1375842;1453150751;ascii_butugychag;y'know, the thing that people actually use 1375843;1453150754;ascii_butugychag;and is built into emacs 1375844;1453150757;ben_vulpes;ah 1375845;1453150759;ascii_butugychag;not the heathen 'alternative' 1375846;1453150767;ben_vulpes;no idear 1375847;1453150773;ascii_butugychag;how the fuq do you even program 1375848;1453150778;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag if you ask it, flymake also built into emacs 25. 1375849;1453150785;ascii_butugychag;it is 1375850;1453150793;mircea_popescu;right. 1375851;1453150798;mircea_popescu;uh i mean flycheck 1375852;1453150799;ascii_butugychag;but it appears to be broken on crapple os 10.10 and above. 1375853;1453150801;ascii_butugychag;mno 1375854;1453150806;ascii_butugychag;flycheck is built into nothing. 1375855;1453150815;ascii_butugychag;rms did not accept it into emacs tree. 1375856;1453150824;mircea_popescu;http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Flycheck ? 1375857;1453150825;assbot;EmacsWiki: Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdrHQ1 ) 1375858;1453150830;ascii_butugychag;victim^H^H^H^H^user has to install. 1375859;1453150854;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: http://www.flycheck.org 1375860;1453150855;assbot;Syntax checking for GNU Emacs — Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdrKLJ ) 1375861;1453150871;ascii_butugychag;perpetrator's site. 1375862;1453150886;ben_vulpes;lol mircea_popescu is using a box with ready access to emacs 25?! 1375863;1453150905;ascii_butugychag;~flymake~ comes with emacs. 1375864;1453150920;ben_vulpes; uh i mean flycheck 1375865;1453150980;ascii_butugychag;flycheck does not come with emacs and probably will not until rms dies. 1375866;1453151003;ascii_butugychag;(at which point it will likely be renamed poetteringmacs and ~will~ ship with flycheck.) 1375867;1453151004;ben_vulpes;i'm not arguing that 1375868;1453151049;mircea_popescu;"Since this library is in Emacs 25, contributors must have signed the Emacs Copyright assignment." << had remanence from seq-el. 1375869;1453151055;mircea_popescu;a sequella so to speak 1375870;1453151104;ascii_butugychag;MODERN lists ! 1375871;1453151106;ascii_butugychag;sequences ! 1375872;1453151108;ascii_butugychag;fuckwits 1375873;1453151122;ascii_butugychag;when do we get MODERN!!1111111 arithmetic!? 1375874;1453151131;mircea_popescu;from DoL soon enough. 1375875;1453151158;ben_vulpes;department of lolz 1375876;1453151167;ascii_butugychag;wanna know the funny part ? 1375877;1453151175;mircea_popescu;department of lolz and your increased 50g pbj rations. 1375878;1453151175;ben_vulpes;sure 1375879;1453151181;ascii_butugychag;i ASKED FOR this machine. 1375880;1453151200;ascii_butugychag;because the alternative, the only alternative, was... well, the last machine 1375881;1453151227;mircea_popescu;alf should star in a modern married with children, "i work on computers for a living" 1375882;1453151237;ascii_butugychag;where it took me months to sort-of set things up, and wrangle gentoo, and still ended up with not-quite-working video etc 1375883;1453151241;ascii_butugychag;and no suspend mode 1375884;1453151242;mircea_popescu;"and it's not as bad as you think" 1375885;1453151263;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: unfortunately i don't get the reference 1375886;1453151276;mircea_popescu;there's this sitcom about a guy with an idle wife. 1375887;1453151299;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: this is what you get for trying to do s33r1ous wurk! on a portable 1375888;1453151317;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable. 1375889;1453151318;ascii_butugychag;none. 1375890;1453151326;ben_vulpes;dirigible! 1375891;1453151332;mircea_popescu;really strong friend ? 1375892;1453151336;ben_vulpes;and i suppose broomstick. 1375893;1453151341;ascii_butugychag;only broomstick. 1375894;1453151347;ascii_butugychag;or nagant, i suppose. 1375895;1453151355;ben_vulpes;no but why must you have the computing device with you? 1375896;1453151360;mircea_popescu;my bitchez can benchpress me! get some to carry your desktop!!1 1375897;1453151365;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: to ever get to work remotely ? 1375898;1453151386;ben_vulpes;is this for the /chance/ to do so or the /promise/ to do so? 1375899;1453151397;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag can't you just mount a proper computer somehwere and...uhh... ssh into it ? or i guess telnet lol. 1375900;1453151412;ben_vulpes;if chance, it's a poor gamble. if it's a promise, why can't they buy a box for your haus? 1375901;1453151414;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: doesn't work so great with multiple gigantic displays 1375902;1453151422;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yes, it does. let me do some math for you. 1375903;1453151435;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: korporate kulture 1375904;1453151447;mircea_popescu;one hour of employee time, admitting you get paid $100, costs your employer ~250 or so. 1375905;1453151468;mircea_popescu;the choice between whipping up ten desktops in fixed positions and having you spend a week dicking around with shittops should be obvious, 1375906;1453151473;mircea_popescu;to the accountants if no one else. 1375907;1453151476;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: did not answer the question. 1375908;1453151515;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375384 << top kek 1375909;1453151515;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 16:47:45; punkman: uppercase verbs for #b-a RFC: MUST, MUST NOT, FUCK YOU 1375910;1453151540;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: here on my planet, none of this has anything to do with people getting things actually done 1375911;1453151545;ascii_butugychag;and everything to do with ceremony 1375912;1453151554;mircea_popescu;your planet sucks. 1375913;1453151559;ascii_butugychag;nyooz at 11!11111 1375914;1453151651;ascii_butugychag;every slave gets ONE plough^H^H^H^H^Hcomputer. 1375915;1453151718;ben_vulpes;i do not understand this hair shirt buying into of corporate culture 1375916;1453151730;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: what is the alternative ? 1375917;1453151745;ascii_butugychag;shoot yourself in the head every morning until you wake up as a mircea_popescu ? 1375918;1453151746;ben_vulpes;not doing dumb shit! 1375919;1453151756;ben_vulpes;actually talking to managers 1375920;1453151764;mircea_popescu;"doc, it hurts if i do this!" 1375921;1453151785;ben_vulpes;dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm! 1375922;1453151790;mircea_popescu;^ 1375923;1453151794;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: i'm not a programmer. 1375924;1453151796;mircea_popescu;not even whores. 1375925;1453151812;ben_vulpes;what pray tell are you in your bosses eyes 1375926;1453151817;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1375927;1453151820;ben_vulpes;not your real true self 1375928;1453151829;mircea_popescu;this is where we find out alf has been working as party organizer all these years. 1375929;1453151848;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm! << for sure. 1375930;1453151859;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: no, i meant literally, i work as something somewhat else 1375931;1453151871;ben_vulpes;i am asking what precisely that is in your bosses eyes 1375932;1453151882;ben_vulpes;because if you put it to writing it is going to read as "programmer" 1375933;1453151903;mod6;"unprogrammer" 1375934;1453151903;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: boss thinks i'm a... mathematician 1375935;1453151924;mircea_popescu;he works for something that requires computers but is not a computerist thing! alf is that fabulous creature from ro folklore, "half man riding half a limp rabbit" 1375936;1453151928;ascii_butugychag;tax declaration reads 'sr research engineer' (what this means, nobody knows) 1375937;1453151933;trinque;and "fuck you I wont work on this shit" passes for a guy moving rectangles around in a web browser. 1375938;1453151938;mircea_popescu;only gets one half at a time of all things. depending on context, the one or the other half. 1375939;1453151945;trinque;and he gets 700 bucks to put his ass on too 1375940;1453151987;ascii_butugychag;and now i'm perplexed 1375941;1453152021;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/x8JjF#selection-175.451-175.501 << sauce. afaik this is actually original 1375942;1453152022;assbot;Aleodor împărat - Wikisource ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnBEFq ) 1375943;1453152038;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the funny part is that technically it does not require computer. i am free to attempt the project with a pencil. 1375944;1453152044;ascii_butugychag;and just might, soon enough, at this rate. 1375945;1453152048;mircea_popescu;lol 1375946;1453152054;mircea_popescu;a sitting pencil or a writing pencil ? 1375947;1453152064;ascii_butugychag;a breaking in frustration pencil. 1375948;1453152065;BingoBoingo;trinque: Is http://deedbot.org/ behind or are deeds not being blockchained? 1375949;1453152069;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF ) 1375950;1453152072;trinque;it is indeed behind 1375951;1453152085;trinque;bout 10 blox 1375952;1453152090;mod6;deedbot running trb? 1375953;1453152103;trinque;not yet; I have one syncing that is at roughly 350k 1375954;1453152124;mod6;tits man 1375955;1453152235;BingoBoingo;!s deedbot: 1375956;1453152236;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot%3A 1375957;1453152277;mircea_popescu;uh 1375958;1453152301;BingoBoingo;!s deedbot 1375959;1453152301;assbot;2575 results for 'deedbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot 1375960;1453152309;BingoBoingo;apparently doesn't like colon 1375961;1453152319;trinque;he's got a dash, deedbot- 1375962;1453152323;BingoBoingo;ah 1375963;1453152343;trinque;though I have snagged "deedbot" too; new version will join under that before long 1375964;1453153194;ben_vulpes;guy really insists on his particular brand of suffering 1375965;1453153200;ben_vulpes;wb to the states, mthreat :D 1375966;1453153233;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: i think he always connected from a bounce box in usa 1375967;1453153237;ascii_butugychag;(no idea why, ask him) 1375968;1453153482;mircea_popescu;aha. 1375969;1453153491;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag he couldn't afford a laptop. 1375970;1453153505;ascii_butugychag;wai wasn't mthreat a political prisoner in usa ? 1375971;1453153510;ascii_butugychag;why would he come back 1375972;1453153566;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1375973;1453153586;ascii_butugychag;possibly i have names mixed up, nm 1375974;1453153618;mircea_popescu;i was just poking fun at your "must have laptop to remotely" thing 1375975;1453153767;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1375976;1453153874;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/identity-crisis-is-me.png 1375977;1453153875;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P1f36Z ) 1375978;1453153884;mircea_popescu;all that's left is for me to hope that one day i might be as cool as myself. 1375979;1453153944;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375976 <<< >.< 1375980;1453153944;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 21:51:14; mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/identity-crisis-is-me.png 1375981;1453153954;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: recall the thread (i am having trouble digging it up) where i explained why just about nobody in usaschwitz gets to be 100% remote ? 1375982;1453153980;mircea_popescu;aha 1375983;1453153987;ascii_butugychag;(it is, really, to keep people from 'infidelity', collecting multiple salaries) 1375984;1453154018;ascii_butugychag;also to keep'em from taking their bezzle and turning it into turkeys in paraguay 1375985;1453154025;ascii_butugychag;we did this thread. where is it?! 1375986;1453154034;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter, ima keep pushing! 1375987;1453154110;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, your local mains power company will also shit bricks if you have serious inductive loads in your house (shifts phase, interferes with their metering) 1375988;1453154115;ascii_butugychag;sort of similar phenomenon 1375989;1453154155;mircea_popescu;they couldn't care less / have nfi what anything is. 1375990;1453154171;ascii_butugychag;try it. 1375991;1453154181;mircea_popescu;i have. 1375992;1453154216;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should take a pic of the meters for your amusement. they look like they were exported from the su, cca 1930. 1375993;1453154222;ascii_butugychag;at any rate it will look INDISTINGUISHABLE from a bypassed meter and in most countries this leads to 'problemz' 1375994;1453154242;ascii_butugychag;but i can't speak for mircea_popescu's orcs, aha. 1375995;1453154243;mircea_popescu;yes, but in argentina public notary feels not one bit threatened by bypassing vat. 1375996;1453154285;ascii_butugychag;i suspect it's a 'quod licet jovi..' situation 1375997;1453154313;mircea_popescu;moreover, i paid 200 peso (~15 bucks) for 375 KWh burned. 1375998;1453154322;mircea_popescu;this is less than half what it costs even in romania (major exporter) 1375999;1453154333;mircea_popescu;at that price i doubt it's worth their time to even find out. 1376000;1453154358;ascii_butugychag;anyway it was example. 1376001;1453154371;mircea_popescu;yeah, just, happened to be the lulzy. 1376002;1453154413;ascii_butugychag;and holy shit does emacs debugger suck balls. 1376003;1453154569;mircea_popescu;shoulda gone with nano. 1376004;1453154586;mod6;yeah, i used to be basically 100% remote. and it was awesome. 1376005;1453154605;mircea_popescu;way of the future, imo. 1376006;1453154628;mod6;totally. there is absolutely no reason for me to be sitting where i am right now. 1376007;1453154660;mod6;these fuckin lollipops are bouncing up and down on exercise balls. 1376008;1453154687;mircea_popescu;wait. wait what ?! 1376009;1453154691;mod6;how do they expect men in three-piece suits to entertain the idea of bouncing on a fucking ball all day long. 1376010;1453154733;mod6;instead of chairs they give you the option of sitting on a ball. i thought these balls were just for bending girls over on. 1376011;1453154747;BingoBoingo;trinque: Are you sure deedbot- is only ~10 blocks behind? I'm not seeing any of today's deeds on the www 1376012;1453154750;mod6;but apparently not. people sit on these things, and they bounce all day while they "work". 1376013;1453154757;mircea_popescu;also why the fuck do people keep spelling impostor with an e. no latin where they live ? 1376014;1453154769;BingoBoingo;^ yes 1376015;1453154781;mircea_popescu;mod6 oh! i thought you had a buncha lolis at your office doing ball yoga stuff. 1376016;1453154806;mod6;yeah, these guys are lollies 1376017;1453154811;mircea_popescu;lol 1376018;1453154845;mod6;imagine a room full of early 20something guys on balls, and then ole mod6 in a suit with a look of disdain. 1376019;1453154879;mod6;someday... shit is gonna be different. 1376020;1453154886;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'm working on it; it was about 10 behind a while ago, getting worse 1376021;1453154897;BingoBoingo;AH 1376022;1453154943;trinque;I'm having it connect= to dulap to see if that helps the limp 1376023;1453155053;mircea_popescu;this is pretty lol. 1376024;1453155065;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats 1376025;1453155068;gribble;Current Blocks: 393926 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1209 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1376026;1453155074;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1376027;1453155074;gribble;881949490.199 1376028;1453155247;ascii_butugychag;the ball thing is supposed to keep you constantly writhing 1376029;1453155254;ascii_butugychag;as in the old english torture of 'the room of little ease' 1376030;1453155270;ascii_butugychag;we have something like that here, a few blokes sitting on what looks like upturned trash cans 1376031;1453155280;mircea_popescu;isn't it supposed to be good for your back or something ? 1376032;1453155289;ascii_butugychag;there's one in my office, using it as a footrest sometimes 1376033;1453155304;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat 1376034;1453155315;BingoBoingo;It's good for developing back and core strength, but probably not so good to be used full time as chair substitute. 1376035;1453155333;mircea_popescu;aha. 1376036;1453155377;jurov;i have one too, good to occassionally exchange for chair. can't imagine whole day 1376037;1453155437;jurov;lying on it with head hanging down causes exceptional relaxation useful for certain purposes 1376038;1453155452;ascii_butugychag;soooo it turns out that "locate-dominating-file" is broken under emacs24 + recent crapple 1376039;1453155453;mircea_popescu;girls love it for workout/yoga stuff 1376040;1453155476;ascii_butugychag;am i LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE who noticed ??/ 1376041;1453155548;*;BingoBoingo has actually be considering getting one 1376042;1453155678;jurov;i am currently trying emacs with evilmode and it goes in on my nerves, these layers upon layers 1376043;1453155682;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1376044;1453155690;shinohai;mod6 I need an ominous name for my node 1376045;1453155725;jurov;ominous.b-a.link 1376046;1453155744;mircea_popescu;scareaoshi ? 1376047;1453155826;ascii_butugychag;kolyma. 1376048;1453155833;BingoBoingo;shinohai: What interests do you have outside Bitcoin 1376049;1453155858;mircea_popescu;Коще́й.b-a.link 1376050;1453155925;shinohai;Reading. I still like old-fashioned books so I spend a lot of time in Library. 1376051;1453155936;ascii_butugychag;l0l so easy to tell that mircea_popescu cut'n'pasted from pediwik 1376052;1453155945;ascii_butugychag;see in ru we don't take shits on top of letterz. 1376053;1453155993;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Most dreaded thing in library is MARC and assorted cataloguing nonsense 1376054;1453156077;shinohai;I still like Newspapers too, so you can read NY Times without the paywall and adware nonsense. 1376055;1453156137;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i dun keep a non-sane kbd around so the only way to get stuff like the gullemets or kyrilix or such is to google. 1376056;1453156291;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i have never in my entire life touched a non-latin kbd 1376057;1453156300;ascii_butugychag;(with possible exception of one odd jp kbd i have lying around) 1376058;1453156309;ascii_butugychag;i use translit entry. 1376059;1453156315;mircea_popescu;whassat ? 1376060;1453156326;ascii_butugychag;http://translit.net << example 1376061;1453156327;assbot;Транслит по-русски ... ( http://bit.ly/1nfZSwI ) 1376062;1453156329;ascii_butugychag;(needs js) 1376063;1453156335;mircea_popescu;lolkthx. 1376064;1453156350;ascii_butugychag;for those on lynx etc: it is a phonetic thing 1376065;1453156379;ascii_butugychag;with a couple of exceptions, letters entirely missing, like ь 1376066;1453156408;ascii_butugychag;these get mapped onto keys like q and [] etc 1376067;1453156505;ascii_butugychag;in other nyoooz, 1376068;1453156520;ascii_butugychag;'flymake' (not flycheck!!11) ~will~ work if you use the copy that came with emacs 24. 1376069;1453156527;ascii_butugychag;rather than a decade-old .el. 1376070;1453156552;ascii_butugychag;for the possibly 3 other people on the planet who give half a fuck ^^^^ 1376071;1453156961;mircea_popescu;let's hope they're mostly womenz. 1376072;1453157052;ascii_butugychag;well 1 i know is 1376073;1453157057;ascii_butugychag;(i keep it as a pet) 1376074;1453157208;mircea_popescu;good cuz otherwise what if it was a recessiv e gene! 1376075;1453157294;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1376076;1453157385;ascii_butugychag;sorta lulzy, how if i didn't have a decade-old turd sitting in ~/emacs/site-lisp, i would never have gone off the reservation and learned about the flycheck crud 1376077;1453157407;ascii_butugychag;would have happily carried on not knowing about systemd also, if had not..... etc 1376078;1453157484;mircea_popescu;aha 1376079;1453157493;mircea_popescu;"but my son and my daughter 1376080;1453157496;mircea_popescu;came out of the water 1376081;1453157502;mircea_popescu;said papa, you've promised you'd play... 1376082;1453157537;ascii_butugychag;where was this 1376083;1453157562;mircea_popescu;and the night comes on 1376084;1453157565;mircea_popescu;it's very cold... 1376085;1453157576;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1376086;1453157594;*;BingoBoingo waits for trinque and deedbot- to catch up so I can publish the news of the day 1376087;1453157599;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6qE1W5fUM 1376088;1453157600;assbot;Leonard Cohen - Night Comes On (live 1985) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ng3LBB ) 1376089;1453157742;ascii_butugychag;ah. 1376090;1453157767;mircea_popescu;amusingly the best american poetry is by a canadian dude. 1376091;1453159425;pete_dushenski;so after dying overnight (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/2NNQG6Y.txt), tevye was treated to his first proper blackholing today (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/0ENVMK9.txt). a steady 20-40 blocks behind for the past 7 hours or so until i finally said fuck it and re-started. he's now happily chomping away and should be back up to full height shortly. 1376092;1453159426;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBZLSE ) 1376093;1453159427;assbot;Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBZM8W ) 1376094;1453159508;pete_dushenski;looked like bucephalus was stuck at one point earlier as well. and zoolag is consistently trailing too. (at least according to bitnodes) 1376095;1453159517;pete_dushenski;tough day on the ol' relay network. 1376096;1453159715;trinque;BingoBoingo: I shall ping ya. 1376097;1453159864;pete_dushenski;relevant : http://trilema.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/ 1376098;1453159865;assbot;The actual state of the Bitcoin network on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OC0KC7 ) 1376099;1453159922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00053099 = 32.9745 BTC [+] {2} 1376100;1453159949;pete_dushenski;OMFGTGWKU << could anyone else not parse this ? 1376101;1453160170;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty 1376102;1453160189;*;BingoBoingo will have to change mentions of "today" to "yesterday" 1376103;1453160266;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375896 << damn. can they deadlift 1.x bodyweight too ? 1376104;1453160266;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 21:09:20; mircea_popescu: my bitchez can benchpress me! get some to carry your desktop!!1 1376105;1453160373;*;pete_dushenski 's pb deadlift updated from 1.4x to 1.7x bw 1376106;1453160398;pete_dushenski;because pantagruel. (what else ?) 1376107;1453160591;mircea_popescu;so i just butchered the world's most idiotic computer case 1376108;1453160605;mircea_popescu;you can not begin to comprehend this without pictures. the fucking power vent was actually UNDER the case. 1376109;1453160671;pete_dushenski;lol who came up with that ? hp ? 1376110;1453160679;mircea_popescu;kenji ro somesuch 1376111;1453160747;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: cheers on the latest two articles. just when i was starting to think that the death of trilema credits had made you lazy... bam ! 1376112;1453160785;mircea_popescu;heh 1376113;1453161494;pete_dushenski;too many logs, too little time. off to fiat bank. bbl. 1376114;1453162362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139600 @ 0.00051905 = 72.4594 BTC [-] {2} 1376115;1453162550;mod6;the high was 0 today. damn heater broke in veehicle 1376116;1453163059;mircea_popescu;heh the weather here's outright balmy. 1376117;1453163172;*;mod6 goes to club a seal 1376118;1453163196;BingoBoingo;Winterstorm advisory beginning noon tomorrow here 1376119;1453163237;shinohai;So long quiet, peaceful #b-a 1376120;1453163935;deedbot-;[Trilema] The world's most contortedly idiotic computer case, in pictures. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-worlds-most-contortedly-idiotic-computer-case-in-pictures/ 1376121;1453164245;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/sMCEx << Forbes saying a lot of nothing 1376122;1453164246;assbot;Something Rotten In The State Of Bitcoin - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U8irNq ) 1376123;1453164248;mod6;haha, the PS is on the bottom 1376124;1453164253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00052215 = 45.2704 BTC [+] 1376125;1453164301;mod6;"hearn said this, hearn said that, hearn said bitcoin is dead..." snore. no one cares, go back to sleep. 1376126;1453164319;mircea_popescu;"Hearns concerns for Bitcoins prospects are both technical and political." and they can be summarized thusly "things that don't inflate can't exist because they'd make my masters look bad" 1376127;1453164325;mircea_popescu;kinda fucking late for that shit, innit. 1376128;1453164396;mircea_popescu;http://intellyx.com/ << for lulz. "Bring Jason Bloomberg into your organization to speak to large audiences or small. He'll help you navigate the turbulent waters of digital transformation." 1376129;1453164397;assbot;Intellyx ... ( http://bit.ly/23baqxo ) 1376130;1453164410;BingoBoingo;lol 1376131;1453164438;BingoBoingo;But yes, the Bloomberg fuck is the joke 1376132;1453164440;mircea_popescu;dude looks like an ex-pick up artist or something 1376133;1453164448;BingoBoingo;Prolly is 1376134;1453164457;BingoBoingo;Or ex fatminist 1376135;1453164712;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency deedbot- 1376136;1453164712;gribble;Error: 'deedbot-' is not a valid currency code. 1376137;1453164878;mod6;My build of trinque's makefiles worked (again) -- have tested two seperate gentoo machines. 1376138;1453164924;mircea_popescu;i'm having a few more machines brought up this week. 1376139;1453164933;mircea_popescu;with the latest patches and all. 1376140;1453164935;mod6;shinohai: <<< works flawlessly on Deb/Ubuntu had to `export PERL_MM_OPT=` again tho. << i didn't see this issue. will see if run into it on Deb/Ubuntu when I get to it. 1376141;1453164941;mod6;mircea_popescu: nice. 1376142;1453164976;shinohai;I'm loving the new patches 1376143;1453164986;mod6;whats awesome to me, is that all of this tooling is finally starting to really come together. 1376144;1453165002;mircea_popescu;yup. it's likle you know, when you get a classic car in bad shape 1376145;1453165012;mircea_popescu;and you toil with it for a long fucking time for nothing, 1376146;1453165017;mircea_popescu;until one day itr actually starts purring 1376147;1453165045;mod6;indeed, Sir. our very own Max Wedge Hemi project. 1376148;1453165121;mod6;anyway, yeah, good stuff. 1376149;1453165302;trinque;BingoBoingo: chain's caught up; deed shall be farted shortly 1376150;1453165307;trinque;I'll link ya. 1376151;1453165419;trinque;mod6 │ My build of trinque's makefiles worked (again) -- have tested two seperate gentoo machines. << sweet. 1376152;1453165536;mod6;it really is sweet man. thanks a ton for working on that. 1376153;1453165639;trinque;my pleasure 1376154;1453165750;mircea_popescu;!s alana massey 1376155;1453165751;assbot;1 results for 'alana massey' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alana+massey 1376156;1453165977;*;asciilifeform finally home. and apparently the vomitron really worx, i was able to group theory on the train even 1376157;1453166000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think that box wanted a 5 inch rail adapter for 2.5 hdd 1376158;1453166018;asciilifeform;they don't have those in un-minimo-respoto-babwe ? 1376159;1453166021;asciilifeform;*respeto 1376160;1453166255;danielpbarron;re: alana massey >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXnCUPtWQAAFZMu.jpg:large << "ass"ets :D 1376161;1453166256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCjykO ) 1376162;1453166310;danielpbarron;context makes the picture even better; that's apparently her new year's eve gettup 1376163;1453166342;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty 1376164;1453166610;asciilifeform;loads of spurious blocks incoming... 1376165;1453167193;asciilifeform;pretty much all of the nodes under a torrential shitflood. 1376166;1453167224;asciilifeform;ye olde blackhole also back 1376167;1453167226;trinque;I can't relay a txn at the moment either. 1376168;1453167275;trinque;ah, soon as I said it, finally propagated 1376169;1453167307;asciilifeform;need moar boxen 1376170;1453167320;asciilifeform;the current situation is pretty much 'fish in a barrel' for usgtronics 1376171;1453167895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fuck that. 1376172;1453167898;mircea_popescu;adaptors now ?! 1376173;1453167917;asciilifeform;and i bet somebody still makes 5 in. hdd 1376174;1453167925;asciilifeform;anybody remember 'quantum bigfoot' ? 1376175;1453167938;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron not bad for her age. 1376176;1453167962;asciilifeform;but here's a seekrit: that case is prolly for folks using ssd. which are often attached with ordinary stickytape, to whatever surface 1376177;1453167972;asciilifeform;they weigh what, 50 gram, and don't vibrate 1376178;1453167972;mircea_popescu;fuck that. 1376179;1453167981;mircea_popescu;you keep to the fucking standard. buncha inept farmhands. 1376180;1453167992;asciilifeform;in all srs i have no idea where that came from 1376181;1453167994;asciilifeform;and why. 1376182;1453168005;asciilifeform;what prevented the ps from being in the normal human place ? 1376183;1453168024;mircea_popescu;why. cuz we had to pretend like every inept colony is populated by like humans and shit. 1376184;1453168034;asciilifeform;who even makes a pc case locally 1376185;1453168043;asciilifeform;i don't think i have ever seen one that was not chinese to the hilt 1376186;1453168055;asciilifeform;with the possible exception of my pa-risc and sgi boxen 1376187;1453168074;mircea_popescu;these schmucks. 1376188;1453168082;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking way the azns would have made this thing. 1376189;1453168083;asciilifeform;(the cases of which were solid steel, with tempest mesh - copper, gilded fingers! on all contact interfaces, pure golden toilet) 1376190;1453168088;mircea_popescu;they're not stupidly creative enough. 1376191;1453168116;asciilifeform;i'm surprised your vendor did not also roll his own ps, out of an old soviet shaver or something 1376192;1453168137;mircea_popescu;i did not investigate the matter closely. it's not even impossible. 1376193;1453168140;asciilifeform;(... have you ~looked~ inside the ps!) 1376194;1453168190;asciilifeform;at any rate i will buy a pc made in argentina some time after i buy a ru car. 1376195;1453168199;mircea_popescu;ru cars weren't that bad. 1376196;1453168208;mircea_popescu;and note that i only bought the case 1376197;1453168214;mircea_popescu;i don't buy fucking "pcs". 1376198;1453168232;asciilifeform;that fella who used zaporozhets chassis and toyota engine also 'only bought case' 1376199;1453168238;mircea_popescu;lol 1376200;1453168248;*;mircea_popescu kinda liked the old volgas. 1376201;1453168255;asciilifeform;(can you even 'buy pc' any more ?) 1376202;1453168256;mircea_popescu;mostly because crashed one as a 9yo and... nothing happened. 1376203;1453168264;asciilifeform;l0l 1376204;1453168353;asciilifeform;i'm pretty sure i have the last steel pc chassis here (not counting rackmounts, i do not like them in residential quarters because of the fans) 1376205;1453168368;asciilifeform;will prolly keep using it until dead 1376206;1453168384;asciilifeform;(until ~i'm~ dead, that is. chassis cannot die) 1376207;1453168418;mircea_popescu;this was made of the worst zamac. 1376208;1453168424;asciilifeform;ick 1376209;1453168427;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what it is, zinc and cowshit most likely. 1376210;1453168427;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://deedbot.org/bundle-393948.txt 1376211;1453168428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdZRDe ) 1376212;1453168436;BingoBoingo;trinque: spotted em already 1376213;1453168440;trinque;cool. 1376214;1453168445;deedbot-;[Qntra] Recent Bitcoin Direction - http://qntra.net/2016/01/recent-bitcoin-direction/ 1376215;1453168446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: take it to the shooting field and shoot it. 1376216;1453168455;mircea_popescu;anyway, do you know whether the gaz was actually copied off the checker ? 1376217;1453168593;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: originally, ford 1376218;1453168824;ben_vulpes;hohoho i just discovered that starbucks will cash out gift cards 1376219;1453168835;ben_vulpes;evening all 1376220;1453168852;mircea_popescu;you're like... two weeks from "bitcoin business". 1376221;1453168865;asciilifeform;and three weeks from cellmate shrem 1376222;1453168875;ben_vulpes;hey man someone sent me a gift card for some inscrutable reason 1376223;1453168891;ben_vulpes;babe at the counter offered to cash the remaining two dollars out, triggering all sorts of my exclamations 1376224;1453168916;ben_vulpes;ultimately, "no no, now i want to drink whatever's being sold as pinot gris here" 1376225;1453168921;asciilifeform;is starbux Officially licensed as 'money transmitter' ?!!!11111 1376226;1453168923;ben_vulpes;"but yeah give me those two bucks" 1376227;1453168929;mircea_popescu;"In other words, although the flood of ontologic emotion was Hegelian through and through, the ground for it was nothing but the world-old principle that things are the same only so far and not farther that they are the same, or partake of a common nature" 1376228;1453168940;ben_vulpes;straight to tip jar 1376229;1453168944;mircea_popescu;right, right, you gotta be stupid to follow stupid and if you aren't stupid naturally lsd might help you. 1376230;1453168953;BingoBoingo;^ 1376231;1453168989;mircea_popescu;starbux sells pinot grigio via whyte foxen ?! 1376232;1453168993;BingoBoingo;Hence the peculiar title of the rebuttle 1376233;1453168998;mircea_popescu;rebuttal 1376234;1453169014;ben_vulpes;rebuttle's way mo bettle 1376235;1453169025;mircea_popescu;it is pretty cufken cute. 1376236;1453169037;*;asciilifeform cannot think of 'buttle' without thinking of the film 'brazil' 1376237;1453169041;BingoBoingo;^ 1376238;1453169043;ben_vulpes;starbucks is searching for profit the only way it can be had in america, by going upmarket 1376239;1453169053;ben_vulpes;even brought me stale pumpkin seeds! 1376240;1453169072;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9B6-s6r7Y 1376241;1453169073;assbot;Brazil Interrogation Scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je11yn ) 1376242;1453169074;mircea_popescu;don't you need license to sell alcohol / tit to the general public no mo ? 1376243;1453169091;ben_vulpes;ahaha 1376244;1453169094;ben_vulpes;wohohoho 1376245;1453169099;ben_vulpes;hyuuuuuuuuu 1376246;1453169115;ben_vulpes;gosh mircea_popescu you just don't understand how the world works do you 1376247;1453169130;ben_vulpes;sell alcohol with no booze? 1376248;1453169135;ben_vulpes;er license 1376249;1453169143;ben_vulpes;and exhibit tits without booze? 1376250;1453169155;ben_vulpes;i suppose /some/ of the bdsm clubs do that, simply to keep the olcc out of their hair 1376251;1453169159;mircea_popescu;somebody clearly had some fun. 1376252;1453169162;ben_vulpes;dood you gotta look into the nightmare that is the olcc 1376253;1453169167;mircea_popescu;olcc ?! 1376254;1453169173;ben_vulpes;mhm 1376255;1453169179;ben_vulpes;"oregon liquor control commission" 1376256;1453169218;ben_vulpes;(hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart) 1376257;1453169290;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for the record, i'd have said some rather stronger words than wj. 1376258;1453169291;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: they now control marijuana in this derpy little province too 1376259;1453169333;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He wasn't in the position to smash all of the cockroaches surrounding himself 1376260;1453169448;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376256 << so i discovered that the lift this morning only goes to nth floor and no higher ($firm is on n+1th) 1376261;1453169448;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 02:06:58; ben_vulpes: (hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart) 1376262;1453169468;asciilifeform;had to talk the guard into opening it 1376263;1453169478;asciilifeform;because... holiday 1376264;1453169571;ben_vulpes;and because you can't stairs? 1376265;1453169575;asciilifeform;'open it.' 'sir, this is a SEEEK0000R3 building!111' 'i work here.' 'you need a key!111' 'i can call the boss, want to make a new friend ?' ~grunt turns magic key in the lift~ 1376266;1453169580;asciilifeform;stairs locked. 1376267;1453169591;mircea_popescu;is that even legal ?! 1376268;1453169595;asciilifeform;(they only ever open from the inside) 1376269;1453169605;asciilifeform;it is legal with the magic lock that only opens from inside. 1376270;1453169618;mircea_popescu;heh. 1376271;1453169621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120050 @ 0.00052582 = 63.1247 BTC [+] {3} 1376272;1453169678;asciilifeform;tower is mostly lawyers iirc. 1376273;1453169692;mircea_popescu;everything's mostly lawyers. 1376274;1453169708;asciilifeform;has the flavour of faux luxury that tends to go with it, too 1376275;1453169727;ben_vulpes;thirty-second inch veneers 1376276;1453169731;asciilifeform;(gilded doorknobs, etc) 1376277;1453169742;mircea_popescu;lol alf has seen true luxury down by casa rosada, ain't buing into wash dc lawyer buildings! 1376278;1453169748;asciilifeform;lulzies 1376279;1453169749;*;trinque worked in a building with key cards everywhere once 1376280;1453169753;trinque;seems entirely psychological 1376281;1453169755;asciilifeform;trinque: this is one 1376282;1453169759;asciilifeform;card AND pw 1376283;1453169761;trinque;could wedge the magnetic doors open 1376284;1453169779;*;ben_vulpes not engaging in wannabe red team wankery, this wine is over and am out 1376285;1453169784;*;mircea_popescu used to force the derps working in the few ro ones to come the fuck out to meet him, as he wasn't going into that shit. 1376286;1453169790;asciilifeform;interestingly the last few towers i slaved in had a peculiar tradition, male toilet would have a normal door, female - locked 1376287;1453169790;mircea_popescu;really put a damp on the spread for many years. 1376288;1453169810;mircea_popescu;i almost always use the girls room. 1376289;1453169882;mod6;how people use public bathrooms: http://i.imgur.com/ePp83j9.jpg 1376290;1453169883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxCOVG ) 1376291;1453169906;asciilifeform;mod6: i think he works here ! 1376292;1453169909;asciilifeform;and everywhere ! 1376293;1453169911;mod6;haha 1376294;1453169921;mircea_popescu;hahah what! 1376295;1453169963;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://45.media.tumblr.com/11df00c900b9ef6acb5c1cffcde51c2e/tumblr_nzqwfyL3rJ1u9uov7o1_400.gif 1376296;1453169964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxCW7O ) 1376297;1453169982;asciilifeform;relates somehow ? 1376298;1453170005;mod6;nb 1376299;1453170008;*;asciilifeform was expecting worse 1376300;1453170014;mod6;same 1376301;1453170128;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyqntra 1376302;1453170145;mircea_popescu;ok you buncha heretics. A : http://45.media.tumblr.com/ba3119f7a99000a0d0d0660f0de315a3/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co1_400.gif B : http://49.media.tumblr.com/c7046a6346bca40065837e467e72cdc4/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co2_400.gif 1376303;1453170146;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je2RiZ ) 1376304;1453170147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je2Rzf ) 1376305;1453170173;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1376306;1453170204;mircea_popescu;!up X16a 1376307;1453170225;X16a;hi 1376308;1453170226;mod6;haha. mmm, pissy-hotdogs & beans. 1376309;1453170277;trinque;poor guy makes a nice meal, and she pisses all over it. I don't blame him. 1376310;1453170279;mircea_popescu;ello X16a 1376311;1453170289;mircea_popescu;trinque odds are her sister made it. 1376312;1453170338;trinque;maybe that's her place set to the right 1376313;1453172183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00053409 = 46.1988 BTC [+] {4} 1376314;1453173403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00053396 = 9.3443 BTC [-] 1376315;1453173647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120451 @ 0.00053395 = 64.3148 BTC [-] {2} 1376316;1453173708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51603 @ 0.00052684 = 27.1865 BTC [-] 1376317;1453175346;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375773 << this is exactly how ups/fedex truck routing works, which is to say : no left turns because right is more efficient and fuck you meatrobot you should be thankful you have a job at all. 1376318;1453175346;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 20:38:15; ascii_butugychag: imagine if your car came with a list of all possible streets it can make left turns into 1376319;1453175461;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375776 << as previously discussed, the electric car is quite transparently this and almost entirely this. wanna travel more than 50mi ? o really ? and who are you visiting ? and what for ? and what time are they expecting you ? and do you have contact info for them ? etc. 1376320;1453175461;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 20:38:45; mircea_popescu: "you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc". 1376321;1453175488;pete_dushenski;like flying el-al everyday. great. can't wait. 1376322;1453175660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106100 @ 0.00053193 = 56.4378 BTC [+] {4} 1376323;1453176087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81300 @ 0.00052432 = 42.6272 BTC [-] {5} 1376324;1453176209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136876 @ 0.00051948 = 71.1043 BTC [-] {2} 1376325;1453176988;*;ben_vulpes just reread flycheck thread 1376326;1453177010;ben_vulpes;lol asciilifeform thinks he labors in little gulag of horrors 1376327;1453177029;ben_vulpes;imagine the lifestyle that makes life with flycheck less miserable than life /without/ flycheck 1376328;1453177551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73852 @ 0.00052107 = 38.4821 BTC [+] {2} 1376329;1453177722;phf;asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"! 1376330;1453177941;ben_vulpes;wasn't there some cl-in-elisp thinger? 1376331;1453177951;ben_vulpes;s/was/is 1376332;1453178010;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375640 << bwahaha i completely missed this 1376333;1453178010;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:57:05; mod6: January the 18th 2014 1376334;1453178023;ben_vulpes;at least i can update my blog 1376335;1453178027;phf;there "was", there was a standard package (require 'cl) that various parties were trying to kill. stefan monnier spent his emacs maintainer tenure deprecating, and i think succeeded. now you're supposed to use cl-lib, to the point that elisp goes out of the way to not highlight various cl forms 1376336;1453178116;phf;first -> cl-first, defstruct -> cl-defstruct, etc. shitgnomery 1376337;1453178158;ben_vulpes;but that's just because elisp completely lacks namespacing facilities, phf, there couldn't possibly be any sour-grapes malice at work! 1376338;1453178253;phf;of course, what if things clash!! lets break 20 years of code, so that alice m. queerfem is not triggered by symbol clashes 1376339;1453178527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65484 @ 0.00052545 = 34.4086 BTC [+] {2} 1376340;1453178908;phf;shitgnomes held an emacs conference, complete with code of conduct https://emacsconf.github.io/emacsconf2015/ , names on that page of projects and people are the usual suspects. organizers are sacha chua and john wiegley, who is the current emacs maintainer. 1376341;1453178908;assbot;EmacsConf 2015 Planning Doc ... ( http://bit.ly/23bwPe0 ) 1376342;1453178985;phf;so in case anybody was under a false impression that emacs is going to remain a trusty engineer workhorse for much longer.. 1376343;1453179542;thestringpuller;phf: i've used VIM since I learned linux. #VIM4lyfe 1376344;1453179546;mircea_popescu;basically, "let's get all the people who aren;'t involved in X and this bothers them in a room together and see if we can fuck up x" is the standard for "us cultyure" anyway 1376345;1453179565;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller can't really program in it. 1376346;1453179706;thestringpuller;it just takes more effort. 1376347;1453179764;phf;thestringpuller: i've used vim from about 98 to 2002 and have no problems with it, but the whole vi vs emacs thing is silly. vi is a text editor, emacs is a lisp machine. there are some substitutes hemlock, mit scheme's edwin, climacs, but nothing with this much live ecosystem. 1376348;1453179850;thestringpuller;lol climacs. that's a good name. 1376349;1453179874;thestringpuller;i may learn emacs one day just haven't had the motivation. 1376350;1453179890;thestringpuller;espcially since I'm technically still learning VIM. 1376351;1453179891;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/KTVU/status/689236139681562629/photo/1 << presumably this is where you just run the nignogs over with your fucking car ? or am i missing something here. if "black health mattered" maybe they shouldn't be adding to the bay area congestions and smog. 1376352;1453179930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0005312 = 25.4445 BTC [+] {2} 1376353;1453179930;pete_dushenski;in other public health news, http://gothamist.com/2016/01/16/finally_someone_built_a_public_boot.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily 1376354;1453179930;assbot;Finally: A Public Masturbation Booth Just For Men!: Gothamist ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA44j ) 1376355;1453180030;mircea_popescu;... 1376356;1453180174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00051942 = 2.701 BTC [-] {2} 1376357;1453180183;pete_dushenski;it's like a brothel for the 21st century 1376358;1453180199;pete_dushenski;and for japan 1376359;1453180230;pete_dushenski;ie. dead cultures and moribund civilisations 1376360;1453180286;danielpbarron;>> Once in awhile I think maybe the jihadists should win. Sigh. New York values. >> They would just replace the booth with a goat. 1376361;1453180377;mircea_popescu;even goatfucking is reserved for actual men in islamistan. 1376362;1453180388;mircea_popescu;impudent cocklets and assorted socialmediacs get to stfu. 1376363;1453180479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00053121 = 49.2432 BTC [+] 1376364;1453180944;phf;jurov: [...] now i'm curious what gpg does here << gnugp avoids the first two issues, data exchange happens through own custom buffer mechanism (fixed size and wiped at earliest possible point after each use, with afaik necessary bits to prevent caching to disk, etc.) and openpgp "packets" come with 3 byte headers, that describe the type and the size of the payload. 1376365;1453181028;phf;i know ascii doesn't like the code, but it's a lot more competent than openssh 1376366;1453181149;mircea_popescu;"Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 9_2 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/601.1.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/13C75 [FBAN/FBIOS;FBAV/46.0.0.54.156;FBBV/18972819;FBDV/iPhone6,1;FBMD/iPhone;FBSN/iPhone OS;FBSV/9.2;FBSS/2; FBCR/AT&T;FBID/phone;FBLC/en_US;FBOP/5]" 1376367;1453181155;mircea_popescu;holy shit they leak a lot of info 1376368;1453181177;phf;jurov: i've been playing with the gossipd PoC, and it's entirely possible to get a gnupg packet from the wire, defensively, byte at a time, and know at any point how much more you need to get. 1376369;1453181261;mircea_popescu;aha. 1376370;1453181274;mircea_popescu;even do bounds checking on the byte half the time 1376371;1453181637;thestringpuller;https://medium.com/@bendavenport/the-bitcoin-block-size-listen-to-the-market-de9ef6607da5#.6l3uh82x8 << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium" 1376372;1453181651;mircea_popescu;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/meatsong.htm << hey we have this in common, i also like carnivorous plants. 1376373;1453181652;assbot;MEATSONG ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQsYzy ) 1376374;1453181691;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: same ben davenport as http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/14/first-largest-bestest-ever-in-the-us/ 1376375;1453181693;assbot;First! Largest! Bestest! Ever! …In The US | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQt0r3 ) 1376376;1453181722;pete_dushenski;mr. "largest raise in fiat by someone i know" 1376377;1453181745;mircea_popescu;dude looks like a shoe salesman. 1376378;1453181760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00053121 = 27.5167 BTC [+] 1376379;1453181776;pete_dushenski;were it not for 'tech' he'd prolly be just that 1376380;1453181834;pete_dushenski;wasn't he involved with the vessenes phoundation too ? or am i mixing him up with another beige derp 1376381;1453181857;mircea_popescu;in other news i emailed the falkvinge dood an interview invite. curious if he gets it together eventually. 1376382;1453181941;pete_dushenski;o.O ben davenport is "Co-founder & CTO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList." 1376383;1453182008;pete_dushenski;what happened to mike belshe, one wonders ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/09/bitgo-multisig-a-stranger-his-friend-and-you/ 1376384;1453182009;assbot;BitGo Multisig: A Stranger, His Friend, and You | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQts8M ) 1376385;1453182206;mircea_popescu;what was bitgo supposed to do anyway ? i forget. 1376386;1453182240;thestringpuller;they do sakurity 1376387;1453182258;thestringpuller;^-oh no trinque aws is being toolbags again 1376388;1453182276;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: multisig webwallets 1376389;1453182296;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 1376390;1453182296;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: they have super secure bitcoin wallets that never get hacked!1111 moar sakure than mpex!!!!!111 1376391;1453182314;thestringpuller;clients include: bitstamp (nuff said?) 1376392;1453182318;pete_dushenski;bitgo also does a fair bit of rubber stamped security. 1376393;1453182321;pete_dushenski;^ 1376394;1453182369;mircea_popescu;hey danielpbarron ask twitter.com/avflox if she doesn't wanna write for qntra ? 1376395;1453182531;danielpbarron;done 1376396;1453182576;mircea_popescu;danke\ 1376397;1453182633;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day. 1376398;1453183529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91800 @ 0.00053121 = 48.7651 BTC [+] 1376399;1453183712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00052719 = 33.4766 BTC [-] {2} 1376400;1453184322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174800 @ 0.00052719 = 92.1528 BTC [-] {2} 1376401;1453184810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105750 @ 0.00053121 = 56.1755 BTC [+] 1376402;1453184912;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/eizo-ev2455-bk-unboxing/ << as hard to believe as this may be, this was in the works ~before~ mircea_popescu published his computer pics post today. i swear, you guys. you gotta believe me. I'M NOT MINI-MP OMGAWD. 1376403;1453184913;assbot;EIZO EV2455-BK unboxing | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/20aZnBQ ) 1376404;1453184936;*;pete_dushenski ni ni 1376405;1453184968;thestringpuller;lol i prefer projectors. 1376406;1453184999;pete_dushenski;also working on belated hearn eulogy and trb history part ii this week. 1376407;1453185088;pete_dushenski;both of which, yes, were started days ago. mp just parallel processes better, making it ~look~ like he's quicker to the punch. 1376408;1453185167;pete_dushenski;he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it. 1376409;1453185420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96925 @ 0.00053121 = 51.4875 BTC [+] 1376410;1453185602;phf;huh can't download shit from dropbox using links. "this video requires adobe flash player" 1376411;1453185782;BingoBoingo; lol BingoBoingo is having a slow news day. << So slow I went to bed early 1376412;1453185877;BingoBoingo; ... << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium" << Many, many more of these 1376413;1453186290;BingoBoingo; he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it. << Well, now it does. 1376414;1453186317;*;BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses 1376415;1453186443;BingoBoingo;Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele" 1376416;1453186884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00053402 = 25.5796 BTC [+] {2} 1376417;1453186973;phf;complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion 1376418;1453187039;BingoBoingo;^ 1376419;1453187141;BingoBoingo;Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof? 1376420;1453187295;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1376421;1453187302;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 384.61, vol: 6678.13639591 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.596, vol: 7050.93892 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 384.54, vol: 15978.57433837 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.05192602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.439178, vol: 43660.24560000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.35225, vol: 57.68452551 | Volume-weighted last average: 386.470102243 1376422;1453187303;BingoBoingo;;;more 1376423;1453187304;gribble;Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 1376424;1453187682;BingoBoingo;Dragonfly problem https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Drosera_anglica_ne2.jpg 1376425;1453187683;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nhhPea ) 1376426;1453187860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00053076 = 29.1122 BTC [-] {2} 1376427;1453188165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00053403 = 28.7842 BTC [+] 1376428;1453188531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163870 @ 0.00052503 = 86.0367 BTC [-] {5} 1376429;1453192496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143500 @ 0.00053403 = 76.6333 BTC [+] 1376430;1453194032;punkman;twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone 1376431;1453194509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90600 @ 0.00053418 = 48.3967 BTC [+] {2} 1376432;1453194572;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375937 << if only more webdevs said that, mebbe we wouldn't be in current situation. 1376433;1453194572;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 21:18:53; trinque: and "fuck you I wont work on this shit" passes for a guy moving rectangles around in a web browser. 1376434;1453194875;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 621 @ 0.00280753 = 1.7435 BTC [+] 1376435;1453195136;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375888 << carrying small mini/micro-atx box sounds like a better deal than half-working laptop. though I suppose it doesn't work during train commute. 1376436;1453195136;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 21:08:37; ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable. 1376437;1453195302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97330 @ 0.00053465 = 52.0375 BTC [+] {3} 1376438;1453198230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107350 @ 0.00053392 = 57.3163 BTC [-] {2} 1376439;1453198477;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35344843 1376440;1453198478;assbot;Government urged to use Bitcoin-style digital ledgers - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHDvd ) 1376441;1453198589;BingoBoingo;!up cazalla 1376442;1453198611;cazalla;ah, thanks BingoBoingo! just came to say happy martin luther kang day! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8MOwGcJ2A 1376443;1453198612;assbot;IT'S MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY CHARLIE BROWN! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PnHN5J ) 1376444;1453198624;BingoBoingo;lol 1376445;1453199145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145257 @ 0.00053289 = 77.406 BTC [-] {4} 1376446;1453199450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175080 @ 0.00053563 = 93.7781 BTC [+] {4} 1376447;1453199511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 252567 @ 0.00053754 = 135.7649 BTC [+] {5} 1376448;1453199539;cazalla;everyones asleep at this time eh 1376449;1453199548;cazalla;vexual still come around? 1376450;1453199661;*;adlai tries to "keep bitcoin weird", since vex doesn't even ask for !up anymore 1376451;1453199897;adlai;cazalla: how's life without the IRC-IV? 1376452;1453199994;cazalla;well, i still skim the logs and follow some of the conversation, but it's nice to have a break from following every line 1376453;1453200064;cazalla;it's still a good idea for newcomers, but having done my year of reading, there are some topics on which i already know what the general opinion of it will be from here, and i guess that is the benefit of having done the reading for such a length of time 1376454;1453200182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00053051 = 26.8173 BTC [-] {2} 1376455;1453200260;adlai;have you pressed & rotorated a proper turd yet? 1376456;1453200358;cazalla;no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short 1376457;1453200388;adlai;trinque has put together a makefile which streamlines part of the process, you may want to try again 1376458;1453200404;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2016#1375090 1376459;1453200404;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks. 1376460;1453200431;adlai;!up cazalla 1376461;1453200492;cazalla;thanks, i'll take a look 1376462;1453200731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00053789 = 30.6059 BTC [+] 1376463;1453201175;cazalla;night all 1376464;1453201211;punkman;oh man, some asshole run the stop sign outside my house again, hit delivery guy with motorcycle 1376465;1453201240;punkman;poor guy got thrown like 5-10 meters away 1376466;1453203027;jurov;lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D 1376467;1453203171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205500 @ 0.00054045 = 111.0625 BTC [+] {5} 1376468;1453203321;jurov;what one ends up trying to not eat the equity... 1376469;1453203353;jurov;*ends up with 1376470;1453203358;punkman;jurov, new LG is like 100eur though 1376471;1453203903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 346750 @ 0.00054243 = 188.0876 BTC [+] {7} 1376472;1453204088;punkman;those eizo prices http://www.amazon.com/FlexScan-EV2730QFX-Monitor-1920x1920-EV2730QFX-BK/dp/B00R58MLSY 1376473;1453204089;assbot;Amazon.com: EIZO FlexScan EV2730QFX 26.5" Square IPS Monitor 1920x1920 (EV2730QFX-BK): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqtKSH ) 1376474;1453204119;punkman;and it doesn't even have hdmi port 1376475;1453204416;punkman;http://www.evilsocket.net/2016/01/18/autopwn-every-android-device-on-your-network-using-bettercap-the-and-addjavascriptinterface-vulnerability/ 1376476;1453204417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvigBk ) 1376477;1453204605;mircea_popescu;* BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses << http://40.media.tumblr.com/5751439f7ed33505f6853ae43c319816/tumblr_n8q9vlx4Df1rx1nxro1_1280.jpg 1376478;1453204606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvixnT ) 1376479;1453204687;mircea_popescu;phf> complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion << somebody's done his blutjunge verfuhrerinnen & assorted swiss cinematography studies huh. 1376480;1453204779;mircea_popescu;punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?! 1376481;1453204806;mircea_popescu;punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets. 1376482;1453204853;mircea_popescu;cazalla> no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short << lotta changed since then. for one thing, it now works. 1376483;1453205275;adlai;even "israil" has outlets in cabins... one at each end >_< 1376484;1453205379;mircea_popescu;lol israel sounds so much like a sort of romania, trying to emulate all the refinement and civilalalili of turkey from the other end... 1376485;1453205550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148048 @ 0.00053595 = 79.3463 BTC [-] {3} 1376486;1453205982;shinohai;mornin #b-a 1376487;1453206014;adlai;!t m s.mpoe 1376488;1453206014;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.0005319 / 0.00054357 (4033643 shares, 2,145.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052001 / 0.00054357 (7675391 shares, 3,991.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050494 / 0.00054357 (55733584 shares, 28,142.60 BTC) 1376489;1453206171;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, hey asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2012/blutjunge-verfuhrerinnen/ ? :D 1376490;1453206172;assbot;Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvlkgV ) 1376491;1453206248;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l yes 1376492;1453206259;mircea_popescu;a! 1376493;1453206266;mircea_popescu;ima stop doing this apparently you read 'em all. 1376494;1453206271;asciilifeform;not all. 1376495;1453206273;asciilifeform;not yet. 1376496;1453206280;punkman;mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets. << perhaps if you stick a small lcd on atx box and carry a small keyboard/trackpad combo. 1376497;1453206289;mircea_popescu;good, save one or two or you might provoke the murderous rage of my mother. 1376498;1453206318;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? the 120dpi 2008-era-panel-but-made-2016-cheapo-6bit-dac ones ? 1376499;1453206319;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1376500;1453206341;mircea_popescu;punkman or you could go all out on murderous rage, place the box in the luggage space overhead, and dangle a monitor from there by mr bean's sock. 1376501;1453206343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111100 @ 0.00053619 = 59.5707 BTC [+] 1376502;1453206354;punkman;mhmm 1376503;1453206375;punkman;asciilifeform: does eizo do the 6bit thing? 1376504;1453206385;mircea_popescu;actually, this would fucking kill - barely functioning deeply retarded webgeek comedy. 1376505;1453206406;asciilifeform;punkman: pretty sure that it's begun to. 1376506;1453206425;asciilifeform;punkman: i have a 'modern' one here in this array and it does not 6bit, but ~does~ pwm flicker 1376507;1453206439;shinohai;I was sure I would be synced this morning but these last 1k blocks are slooooow. 1376508;1453206478;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376481 << where's that? tokyo ? 1376509;1453206478;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 12:00:06; mircea_popescu: punkman most trains in civilisandia have power outlets. 1376510;1453206487;mircea_popescu;yurp 1376511;1453206492;punkman;I also saw a monitor advertised as 10bit, and then noticed "actually only 8bit" in the small print. not sure if this was in the logs, but quite outrageous. 1376512;1453206502;asciilifeform;in usa, ~some~ LONG-range (e.g., dc to boston) have'em 1376513;1453206509;asciilifeform;but certainly not city subways 1376514;1453206545;asciilifeform;punkman: it is absolutely SOP. normally the extra bits are only available for the gamma corrector, as the link to the panel is strictly 8 per channel 1376515;1453206547;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit 1376516;1453206559;mircea_popescu;last i visited die berliner Huren there were 3 plugs per 2 seat isle 1376517;1453206567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato 1376518;1453206629;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376472 << it's a so-so panel, you're paying for the form factor (iirc the squares are used in airport control) 1376519;1453206629;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 11:48:08; punkman: those eizo prices http://www.amazon.com/FlexScan-EV2730QFX-Monitor-1920x1920-EV2730QFX-BK/dp/B00R58MLSY 1376520;1453206693;punkman;I'd rather buy 10 LGs for that price 1376521;1453206712;mircea_popescu;"Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because Im not a poorfag" << - >> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear. 1376522;1453206804;asciilifeform;hey if they work for him... 1376523;1453206838;mircea_popescu;http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money. 1376524;1453206840;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvmpoV ) 1376525;1453206857;asciilifeform;the 'poor' eizos still beat the living shit out of everything you see in a konsooomer electronics shop 1376526;1453206860;asciilifeform;incl. crapple 1376527;1453206884;punkman;I don't think I can tell 6bit/crappy-PWM monitors apart from the better ones 1376528;1453206898;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i like the arrangement, ostensibly every window in the backroom opens into a small cell populated by one nude houri ? 1376529;1453206910;asciilifeform;punkman: some people (incl. me) can SEE the dither buzz 1376530;1453206911;jurov;punkman surely not new 1920x1200 1376531;1453206931;asciilifeform;it VISIBLY FLICKERS 1376532;1453206933;punkman;jurov: 1920x1080, new 1376533;1453206951;asciilifeform;the main problem with the cheap eizos is the not-nearly-enough-pixels thing, imho 1376534;1453206953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123725 @ 0.00054495 = 67.4239 BTC [+] {3} 1376535;1453206966;punkman;not paying a premium for 120 extra pixels 1376536;1453207050;mircea_popescu;hey, some people edit pr0nz for a living. they have to do it on mobile workstation as well as at home and that sixth-inch clitoral hood HASTOLOOKGOOD!!11 1376537;1453207063;jurov;i plan upgrade to Philips BDM4065UC 4K soon anyway 1376538;1453207083;asciilifeform;jurov: ever see the '5k' panels ? 1376539;1453207120;jurov;no? 1376540;1453207135;asciilifeform;there are already several vendors supplying these 1376541;1453207157;mircea_popescu;ie 5k pixels wide ? 1376542;1453207158;asciilifeform;but i don't have one, it is my understanding that you cannot drive it with a fanless gpu 1376543;1453207163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha 1376544;1453207171;jurov;i know so far. but they are either 28" or $$$ + new gpu in either case 1376545;1453207197;mircea_popescu;the last time i had a fanless gpu most of the girls i know today were still virgins omaigerd. 1376546;1453207206;asciilifeform;i will NOT use a fanned gpu. 1376547;1453207209;mircea_popescu;... 1376548;1453207220;mircea_popescu;why use a fanned cpu ? 1376549;1453207231;asciilifeform;i'd throw those out also if i could. 1376550;1453207236;mircea_popescu;... 1376551;1453207241;asciilifeform;fucking hate the noise. 1376552;1453207244;asciilifeform;always hated it. 1376553;1453207262;mircea_popescu;so build one of those submerged rig things. 1376554;1453207265;punkman;40" inch for 3840 x 2160 sounds a bit big 1376555;1453207274;asciilifeform;(iirc this is in the logz) i DID experiment with water, for years 1376556;1453207281;asciilifeform;just to reduce noise 1376557;1453207302;mircea_popescu;what water, are you a poorfag ? oil. 1376558;1453207302;asciilifeform;punkman: seems like you are describing a tv set ? 1376559;1453207306;mircea_popescu;OLIVE OIL! 1376560;1453207315;jurov;punkman: i have inherited a working table from grandpa that allows me to have the monitor 1m away 1376561;1453207316;punkman;asciilifeform: jurov's Philips 1376562;1453207319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89395 @ 0.00055004 = 49.1708 BTC [+] {6} 1376563;1453207328;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu submerges in fluorinert 1376564;1453207330;mircea_popescu;lmao when we started, computers plugged into the tv. and after 20 years spent spinning in the desert, as we age computers plug into the... tv. 1376565;1453207347;jurov;s/table/desk/ 1376566;1453207362;mircea_popescu;jurov i also have a 100sq ft desk. pretty cool/ 1376567;1453207368;mircea_popescu;someone else's grandpa tho 1376568;1453207380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34341 @ 0.00055012 = 18.8917 BTC [+] {2} 1376569;1453207400;shinohai;I wonder if I could sell olive-oil cooled computers. Market the oil as being trampled at precise temperatures under the feet of certifiable virgins. Increases the cooling properties. 1376570;1453207407;asciilifeform;anyway submerging is nontrivial (electrolytic caps soak up your coolant and bloat, then burst) and you can also forget about repairs or upgrade 1376571;1453207441;asciilifeform;likewise submerged cooling works great for, e.g., mains transformer outdoors, but for 'point source' of heat like cpu, requires circulation pumps, which... noise 1376572;1453207470;asciilifeform;i considered it, yes 1376573;1453207476;asciilifeform;a decade ago, even. 1376574;1453207498;asciilifeform;it worked ok for cray because he ~designed for it~ 1376575;1453207506;asciilifeform;pc crapola - isn't. 1376576;1453207510;mircea_popescu;you can for one thing use convection. 1376577;1453207546;mircea_popescu;shinohai olive oil is actually not terrible for this role. just, prohibitively expensive. 1376578;1453207559;asciilifeform;electrolytic caps soak, burst 1376579;1453207562;asciilifeform;what part of this is unclear. 1376580;1453207565;mircea_popescu;you caulk them. 1376581;1453207579;mircea_popescu;superglue all the things. 1376582;1453207579;asciilifeform;go, caulk the 2mm ones, aha. 1376583;1453207581;asciilifeform;i'll wait. 1376584;1453207584;mircea_popescu;THEN submerge them in pesto. 1376585;1453207605;asciilifeform;something like 400 of them on my mb alone 1376586;1453207617;asciilifeform;and in what liquid are we to drown the spinning hdds ? 1376587;1453207627;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just pour some caulk on the upface of the mobo, let it be. 1376588;1453207640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: caulk does not thermoconduct well. 1376589;1453207650;mircea_popescu;get silvercaulk :D 1376590;1453207656;asciilifeform;the other thing that you will find, if you do this, is that... the parasitic capacitance nails you. 1376591;1453207661;asciilifeform;recall permeattivity ? 1376592;1453207667;mircea_popescu;no, because see, olive oil. 1376593;1453207670;mircea_popescu;this is why it's good. 1376594;1453207682;asciilifeform;dielectric constant of $liquid differs from that of air. 1376595;1453207701;mircea_popescu;;;google dielectric constant of extra virgin olive oil 1376596;1453207702;gribble;DIELECTRIC CONSTANT AND INDUCED DIPOLE ... - ResearchGate: ; Chemical Characteristics | The Olive Oil Source: ; Chemical composition of olive oil - Clackline Valley Olives: (1 more message) 1376597;1453207717;asciilifeform;srsly, go try it. drown one of your pogos. 1376598;1453207719;mircea_popescu;why r u so mediocre google. 1376599;1453207744;mircea_popescu;The dielectric loss was low (<0.01), except for virgin olive oil with a value of 0.05. 1376600;1453207746;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! 1376601;1453207795;*;asciilifeform pictures squad of servants, noses pinched with clothespins, emptying mircea_popescu's box for daily olive change 1376602;1453207811;mircea_popescu;nah, it has to be sealed. it's inert if it can't oxidate. 1376603;1453207823;jurov;what about virgin tears? 1376604;1453207830;mircea_popescu;those are lubricants not coolants. 1376605;1453207847;jurov;oh, these for hdd then 1376606;1453207890;shinohai;on pogo, the hdd is the only thing that ever seems to get hot. 1376607;1453207899;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376546 < get better fans and larger hs - i have done this, cant tell if machine is even running by noise 1376608;1453207899;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 12:40:06; asciilifeform: i will NOT use a fanned gpu. 1376609;1453207903;mircea_popescu;technically that's not even on pogo 1376610;1453207910;asciilifeform;at any rate, the actual 'non-poorfag' thing... exists. it is a copper hedgehog, looks a little like a substation transformer, with MACHINED cavity to mount the mb, cpu, hdd in. 100% convection. 1376611;1453207918;asciilifeform;but we're talking about half a tonne of cu. 1376612;1453207949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no we're not. the OTHER thing you can do is plug one of the ends of those heat inverter units into it. whatever the fuck they call them. 1376613;1453207951;asciilifeform;afaik this was never ~commercially~ available, there was - briefly - an aluminum thing from zalman 1376614;1453207964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno. condensation. koolance corp. made this, it sucked balls 1376615;1453207966;asciilifeform;1990s. 1376616;1453207980;mircea_popescu;you need to stop living in a swamp at some point. 1376617;1453207989;mircea_popescu;also, they don't have to get below fog point. 1376618;1453207990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54736 @ 0.00060197 = 32.9494 BTC [+] {2} 1376619;1453207996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you are breathing in the room, there is water. 1376620;1453208018;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: ANY FAN is audible and therefore too loud. 1376621;1453208021;mircea_popescu;yes but there's also thermodynamic equilibrium. you only get liquid phase condensation in some cases on the curve. 1376622;1453208068;asciilifeform;the other thing is that peltiers are laughably inefficient, and you are then stuck trying to cool the hot end 1376623;1453208069;kakobrekla;not at my 200rpm 1376624;1453208080;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you've just confessed to having poor hearing 1376625;1453208091;kakobrekla;and isolated case 1376626;1453208099;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he has bat hearing, which is why he can feed himself on mosquitoes in the dark. 1376627;1453208101;asciilifeform;i can hear a laptop fan, a room away. 1376628;1453208102;mircea_popescu;should he ever need to. 1376629;1453208129;asciilifeform;pet says i did not go to enough 'concerts' 1376630;1453208136;kakobrekla;laptop fans arent silent 1376631;1453208146;mircea_popescu;i can hear the thinkpad. 1376632;1453208154;asciilifeform;silent fan is a lulzy contradiction in terms 1376633;1453208158;asciilifeform;the motherfucking air is MOVING 1376634;1453208164;mircea_popescu;i could faintly hear it, then i had it cleaned for my sins, now i can distinctly hear it. 1376635;1453208166;asciilifeform;ever hear of turbulence ? 1376636;1453208168;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least it cools better. 1376637;1453208197;kakobrekla;at 200 rpm the only thing you can hear is bad bearings 1376638;1453208203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sooner or later you'll have to face the fact that the turbulence other people get isn't like the turbulence you get. 1376639;1453208215;mircea_popescu;like in those cartoon "rain cloud 2x2 follows guy around" 1376640;1453208227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i get quite a bit, i use boards with >1 cpu socket even 1376641;1453208227;kakobrekla;and i have done away with bad bearings 1376642;1453208234;kakobrekla;it did cost a fortune but hey 1376643;1453208248;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla if i recall the calculations correctly the principal harmonic should be ~285 hz if you 200rpm 1376644;1453208262;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i have fluid bearing fans here, can hear them just fine 1376645;1453208268;mircea_popescu;i doubt he can hear below 15khz or so 1376646;1453208269;kakobrekla;not all are same 1376647;1453208290;asciilifeform;also opterons run hot. 1376648;1453208302;asciilifeform;you won't get away with 200 rpm. 1376649;1453208312;kakobrekla;thats another problem 1376650;1453208318;asciilifeform;2 x 150w each. 1376651;1453208330;asciilifeform;(peak) 1376652;1453208356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47403 @ 0.0005847 = 27.7165 BTC [-] 1376653;1453208363;kakobrekla;my psu doesnt even run a fan 1376654;1453208417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55664 @ 0.00056072 = 31.2119 BTC [-] 1376655;1453208455;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: 'fanless' ps typically relies on there being airflow from cpu+case fans 1376656;1453208479;asciilifeform;(try and take one, run under 100% load on a bench with no flow, on a hot summer day) 1376657;1453208507;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me, you could just get some of that aluminum foil flexible tubing stuff, plug the case in and have the vented done in the other room. 1376658;1453208530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is louder still 1376659;1453208544;mircea_popescu;well no, you serpentine the tube. 1376660;1453208545;asciilifeform;the correct recipe when one has other rooms is to run the displays over fiber 1376661;1453208554;asciilifeform;and have the machine far, far away. 1376662;1453208557;asciilifeform;as symbolics did 1376663;1453208560;mircea_popescu;also this. 1376664;1453208561;kakobrekla;asciilifeform it has a fan it just doesnt run it 1376665;1453208564;asciilifeform;(the thing sounds like an airplane, literally) 1376666;1453208569;kakobrekla;so its not fanless. 1376667;1453208572;mircea_popescu;put the big iron in the basement. check it out, BingoBoingo vax lives! 1376668;1453208588;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i run at 90-100% load on a typical day 1376669;1453208615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've intended to do this for 15 years, but it requires a dwelling with multiple stories 1376670;1453208624;kakobrekla;get a bigger one and it will run at lower relative load :) 1376671;1453208648;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if pc ps came in 20kW, i would... 1376672;1453208651;mircea_popescu;for the record, sed 's/<[^>]*//g' takes just about 1k seconds to purge a 6gb pile of webcrud into 1.5gb of pressed juice. 1376673;1453208675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got no basement ? i thought you had a house not flat 1376674;1453208682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is a flat house. 1376675;1453208684;mircea_popescu;o wait, swamp. 1376676;1453208718;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "flat house" 1376677;1453208720;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the basic problem is that there are no miracles, semiconductors have a temperature ceiling, the heat has to leave as quickly as it appears, or meltdown 1376678;1453208724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1 level 1376679;1453208734;mircea_popescu;but it's a house, no ? it necessarily has a roof 1376680;1453208746;asciilifeform;aha 1376681;1453208751;kakobrekla;very high efficiency helps 1376682;1453208756;mircea_popescu;so you got an attic. 1376683;1453208758;asciilifeform;has an attic, which is entirely unsuitable for electronics 1376684;1453208765;mircea_popescu;whyssat ? 1376685;1453208778;asciilifeform;(boiling hot in the summer, mega-condensation in the winter, not hermetically sealed either) 1376686;1453208784;mircea_popescu;bwahahah 1376687;1453208790;mircea_popescu;us technologee ? 1376688;1453208794;asciilifeform;understand, attics exist for insulation 1376689;1453208819;asciilifeform;so a properly-constructed one would be ~worse~ place to park cpu 1376690;1453208823;mircea_popescu;depends whose. but anyway - you hopefully rent this sad hovel, not own it 1376691;1453208833;asciilifeform;i don't 'own' anything 1376692;1453208844;mircea_popescu;get a properly made house. 1376693;1453208854;mircea_popescu;pro tip : cured meats as well as grains used to be stored there. 1376694;1453208859;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-06-2015#1157053 1376695;1453208859;assbot;Logged on 08-06-2015 04:27:15; asciilifeform: i, for instance, would much like to publicly register as 'anyone who walks in with my name and slave serial number and tries to take a mortgage, ever, is to be shot immediately' 1376696;1453208868;mircea_popescu;what mortgage. 1376697;1453208892;asciilifeform;well i assumed that's what mircea_popescu meant by 'own'. that's how poorfags in usaschwitz 'own' houses. 1376698;1453208899;mircea_popescu;so have more money. 1376699;1453208920;asciilifeform;i'm not sure i'd even use computers if i had Moar Money (tm) (r) 1376700;1453208921;mircea_popescu;i think ima have this printed on cards. universal solution. 1376701;1453208941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cards have 2 sides! one side shows recipe A: broomstick 1376702;1453208943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know i actually did the same thing ? mid 90s to mid 00s, i didn't evne own one. 1376703;1453208946;asciilifeform;other, B: 'have some money' 1376704;1453209065;asciilifeform;anyway none of the thermal problems are a thing on a dirigible, which comes with free airflow. 1376705;1453209069;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu does not need any of this. 1376706;1453209080;asciilifeform;and i wouldn't either, if had 'moar money' 1376707;1453209095;mircea_popescu;actually, i don't really give a shit about fan noise, not while im awake at any rate. 1376708;1453209105;asciilifeform;as it is, i'll bbl, gotta go slowly die in a box for a while 1376709;1453209110;*;asciilifeform bbl 1376710;1453209126;mircea_popescu;i prolly also run cheaper, shittier monitors than all of you, and in general... i'm just a more modest fellow! 1376711;1453209408;jurov;mine is shittier 1376712;1453209428;mircea_popescu;a ok 1376713;1453209449;jurov;:D 1376714;1453209748;jurov;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/YKlprg0.gif 1376715;1453209837;mircea_popescu;lol cute. 1376716;1453210064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29636 @ 0.00055729 = 16.5158 BTC [-] 1376717;1453210172;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376480 << ah just noticed all of twitter is borked 1376718;1453210172;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 11:59:39; mircea_popescu: punkman> twitter.com/avflox << and it's gone << wait wut ?! 1376719;1453210218;punkman;and now it works, weird 1376720;1453210643;adlai;danielpbarron, Luke-Jr, and/or any other scripture scholars... is there no good commentary in the entire internet for Mat16:18 !? 1376721;1453210672;jurov;!up Luke-Jr 1376722;1453210704;mircea_popescu;only one of the most commented bits in all the scripture ? 1376723;1453210717;adlai;thus, 'good' 1376724;1453210728;PeterL;seems to be well covered in sereval different directions 1376725;1453210734;*;adlai not being much of a scripture expert, seeks commentary on the commentaries... 1376726;1453210758;mircea_popescu;ah. 1376727;1453210765;PeterL;there seems to be a question as to the antecedent of "this rock" as to whether it referes to Peter or the previous verse 1376728;1453210852;*;adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR 1376729;1453210855;mircea_popescu;www.studibiblici.it/.../Mt%2016,13-20%20-%20Solemnitatea%20Sf.%20Ap. %20Petru%20si%20Paul%2029%20iunie%202014.pdf www.crestinortodox.ro/.../primatul-sfantului-petru-studiu-contrast-148637. html 1376730;1453210874;PeterL;whois PeterR? 1376731;1453210899;mircea_popescu;lol no idea ? your isomer ? 1376732;1453210919;PeterL;oh, whoosh 1376733;1453210925;adlai;"there are always two"... master mike leaves the sith order for the private sector, so a new apprentice appears. 1376734;1453211087;adlai;Peter Rizun, Managing Editor of http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger and concern-troll-extraordinaire ( https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/search/?q=PeterR ) 1376735;1453211091;assbot;Ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9HYM ) 1376736;1453211092;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbjdZ7 ) 1376737;1453211101;adlai;er better link, http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger/about/editorialTeam 1376738;1453211102;assbot;Editorial Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbjfjB ) 1376739;1453211167;adlai;i'd invite him here but that would just be too confusing what with the diastereomerality 1376740;1453211193;jurov;make sure you show him in polarized light 1376741;1453211221;*;adlai is never unbiased! objectivity is for news-papers and block-chains 1376742;1453211268;mircea_popescu;really, there's little point in inviting known derps. if all the dude ever did was you know, trying to find a pretext outside to talk about himself, he really belongs on myspace or whatever, not here. 1376743;1453211370;adlai;in other lols, it looks like m'tooms has also picked up the dope: http://pastebin.com/raw/DPPs7qtc 1376744;1453211370;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nvu4Ug ) 1376745;1453211436;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually... 1376746;1453211440;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a qntra ? 1376747;1453211537;*;adlai has done enough noise for today, goes back to signal generation 1376748;1453211638;mircea_popescu;"anduck [10:05 PM] it certainly looks like bitcoin classic wants everything made for them, under their control, on their platforms. that's not how it works" << BUT ITS NOT FAIR!!1 1376749;1453212931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89808 @ 0.00057199 = 51.3693 BTC [+] {2} 1376750;1453213368;punkman;^_^ 1376751;1453214293;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1376752;1453214306;mircea_popescu;grep: (standard input): Cannot allocate memory << meanwhile sed just fails silently (prolly same issue) 1376753;1453214321;mircea_popescu;https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=185208 << exactly this. 1376754;1453214325;assbot;#185208 - grep: very large file with no newline causes trouble - Debian Bug report logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD7X4R ) 1376755;1453214329;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ? 1376756;1453214414;mircea_popescu;"Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:32:59 -0400 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of grep" fixed my foot. 1376757;1453214473;mircea_popescu;nothing fucking works. ffs. 1376758;1453214506;copypaste; mircea_popescu I guess if that works. Afaik /b/ is actually logged and publicly accessible. 1376759;1453214517;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1376760;1453214528;copypaste;I'm quoting a trilema article for the purposes of commentary 1376761;1453214535;copypaste;If you give me a few minutes I'll get to the commentary :) 1376762;1453214549;mircea_popescu;ok but you gotta quote better. like with quotes and source. 1376763;1453214552;mircea_popescu;otherwise how am i to know 1376764;1453214576;copypaste;http://trilema.com/2014/the-irc-world-is-a-big-but-very-flat-place/ 1376765;1453214577;assbot;The irc world is a big but very flat place. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23cg5mQ ) 1376766;1453214581;copypaste;I was getting to that too :D 1376767;1453214585;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1376768;1453214623;copypaste;Anywho, /b/ is archived by many third parties, but the archive sites have a maximum lifetime of 18 months. After that time, an all encompassing archive always fails. 1376769;1453214637;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1376770;1453214648;mircea_popescu;archive.is has been around for a few years now for instance 1376771;1453214654;jurov;nice how the ethereal ideal of "text" that can't be falsified in any conceivable system meets reality 1376772;1453214654;copypaste;There are many reasons. Perhaps DMCA notices, perhaps the size of the archived content is too much for the derp running it to maintain, perhaps the guy running it just doesn't want to 1376773;1453214672;copypaste;Ah ha, but archive.is is not just for /b/, and it doesn't strive to archive everything, only requested things. 1376774;1453214687;mircea_popescu;jurov dude, srsly. for one thing, the file is 1.5gb, the available ram 4x that. EVEN IF IT READ IT AS A SINGLE LINE it should work. 1376775;1453214692;copypaste;So archive.is's view of /b/ is not comparable to the #b-a log, which represents everything 1376776;1453214694;mircea_popescu;but people can't fucking code. 1376777;1453214708;mircea_popescu;copypaste true. 1376778;1453214732;mircea_popescu;honestly, chans have to be toilet paper, who the hell is going to waste the bw/hdds for it otherwise. 1376779;1453214744;copypaste;Indeed, I came to that conclusion independently 1376780;1453214755;mircea_popescu;however... a wot-based chan, now that may be interesting. 1376781;1453214771;mircea_popescu;you could technically run a chan off v. 1376782;1453214775;copypaste;How could it work? 1376783;1453214786;copypaste;I could help make one if you have an idea 1376784;1453214800;copypaste;Would it still be anonymous ? 1376785;1453214817;mircea_popescu;well, you could go two ways with it. one'd be, subscription driven, like a sort of twitter. one can see any content of people whose sigils they imported and nothing else. 1376786;1453214819;copypaste;I don't understand how anonymity and the WoT could intersect in a meaningful way 1376787;1453214833;mircea_popescu;the other would be push driven - people encrypt their photos to the keys they want to see them and no others. 1376788;1453214844;mircea_popescu;neither of this would be anonymous - it would be pseudonymous. 1376789;1453214848;mircea_popescu;anonimity is for idiots. 1376790;1453214852;copypaste;ah, I see. So like Reddit then 1376791;1453214874;mircea_popescu;either way a random cs-illiterate third party would not see anything. 1376792;1453214879;copypaste;I've actually never even heard of a chan with forced usernames 1376793;1453214880;mircea_popescu;so like twitter-reddit on sane-tor 1376794;1453214896;copypaste;Much less forcing GPG keys 1376795;1453214897;mircea_popescu;copypaste how are they forced ? you run gpg and make a key. whatever it comes out. 1376796;1453214901;mircea_popescu;can make one key per post if you want. 1376797;1453214932;mircea_popescu;ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent. 1376798;1453214935;copypaste;I see. It could have an option then to see posts not in your WoT 1376799;1453214945;copypaste;Then to see posts in your Level 1 WoT, Level 2 only and so on 1376800;1453214949;copypaste;I think it's a cool idea 1376801;1453214952;mircea_popescu;depends which model you choose. if people encrypt their output, there's jack you can do 1376802;1453214976;copypaste;No need for encryption, perhaps as an option only. Signing is just as well. 1376803;1453215017;copypaste;If I get a WoTchan working, I'll link it here. 1376804;1453215028;mircea_popescu;did you read the part about fuck the browser, also ? 1376805;1453215041;copypaste;If I have I don't recall 1376806;1453215048;mircea_popescu; ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent. < 1376807;1453215074;mircea_popescu;just fork gnutella or whatever to serve as your basis. add a render engine, and you're g2g. 1376808;1453215095;mircea_popescu;no longer need to host servers, bother with "laws" and similar bullshit. if people like your shit they'll run it. 1376809;1453215102;copypaste;Not bad 1376810;1453215104;mircea_popescu;if not, a well. less bw. 1376811;1453215110;copypaste;Gnutella did work well 1376812;1453215115;mircea_popescu;but you and the people who like it can STILL run it. 1376813;1453215183;mircea_popescu;basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it. 1376814;1453215256;mircea_popescu;and now V also becomes a chan soft. 1376815;1453215342;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/24BB7J3.txt 1376816;1453215343;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9dot ) 1376817;1453215344;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1376818;1453215457;mircea_popescu;copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else. 1376819;1453215493;copypaste;I especially like the part about no centralized hosting 1376820;1453215518;copypaste;I have a friend who is now working for fluffypony and Monero on adding I2P to that coin (perhaps the work is already finished) 1376821;1453215521;mircea_popescu;it's really not THAT hard to do, in the sense that all the needed parts already exist, even if not perfect. 1376822;1453215533;mircea_popescu;so it's not one of those "shit me a micron" sort of jobs. 1376823;1453215534;copypaste;But before he was doing that, he was making a distributed chan using the NNTP protocol and Tor/I2P 1376824;1453215537;fluffypony;copypaste: psi? 1376825;1453215541;copypaste;Yes 1376826;1453215547;fluffypony;oh he's awesome 1376827;1453215556;fluffypony;he's not working for me, he's working with us :) 1376828;1453215562;copypaste;Sure sure 1376829;1453215590;*;mircea_popescu would actually run this thing, anyway. i'm kind-of missing /dtng/ 1376830;1453215602;copypaste;DTNG? 1376831;1453215622;mircea_popescu;i ran a chan, eons ago 1376832;1453215659;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.5 << got the early bitcointards pretty incensed. 1376833;1453215663;assbot;Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9Eza ) 1376834;1453215668;copypaste;http://topchanjgbabhkmb.onion/ Did psi show you this fluffypony ? 1376835;1453215729;fluffypony;copypaste: nope, what is it? 1376836;1453215735;fluffypony;Tor says unable to connect 1376837;1453215738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48271 @ 0.00056512 = 27.2789 BTC [-] 1376838;1453215769;punkman;https://github.com/RetroShare/RetroShare/wiki/Documentation:-Forums 1376839;1453215770;assbot;Documentation: Forums · RetroShare/RetroShare Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PD9RT6 ) 1376840;1453215771;copypaste;It's linked on topchan.xyz so I just assumed it would work 1376841;1453215779;copypaste;Perhaps no frontends are currently working, that would be a shame 1376842;1453215787;copypaste;I guess I'll have to ask psi the current status of the project 1376843;1453215819;fluffypony;he's in #monero via the irc2p relay 1376844;1453215846;fluffypony;oh I lie, he's not, but he's in #kovri-dev 1376845;1453215938;mircea_popescu;;;later tell adlai "Satoshi Nakamoto never signed communications, and are is thus" 1376846;1453215938;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1376847;1453215973;*;shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/ 1376848;1453215974;assbot;(PSYC) Index ... ( http://bit.ly/23cixcQ ) 1376849;1453216126;adlai;ah well. "but at least i fucking tried" 1376850;1453216143;adlai;;;later tell BingoBoingo excellent choice for your latest deed 1376851;1453216143;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1376852;1453216152;adlai;!s nitrous 1376853;1453216153;assbot;22 results for 'nitrous' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nitrous 1376854;1453216159;adlai;in case anybody missed this thread 1376855;1453216217;adlai;mircea_popescu: at a certain point, you just have to stop editing and shoot the bastard 1376856;1453216229;mircea_popescu;aha 1376857;1453216402;adlai;(fwiw the self-styled ABC is a super-secret facebook group called "advanced bitcoin" where all recent discussion seems to be about the bitcoinclassic 'slack' channel... at least they also have the policy of requiring new entrants to read 'logs', so it's not all noise) 1376858;1453216434;adlai;letter emerged from my first impression upon seeing their latest babble 1376859;1453216461;thestringpuller;;;later tell cazalla miss you mah nigga. wish I could stay up late enough with you to chat. 1376860;1453216462;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1376861;1453218300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111600 @ 0.00056436 = 62.9826 BTC [-] {2} 1376862;1453218337;thestringpuller;oh wow MPOE at 56k 1376863;1453218346;adlai;!t m s.mpoe 1376864;1453218346;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00050896 / 0.00053647 / 0.00060199 (4823476 shares, 2,587.68 BTC), 7D: 0.0004914 / 0.00052395 / 0.00060199 (8382759 shares, 4,392.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00050578 / 0.00060199 (56239342 shares, 28,444.79 BTC) 1376865;1453218666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00056587 = 42.8929 BTC [+] {2} 1376866;1453218900;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1376867;1453218902;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1376868;1453218945;ascii_butugychag;http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/why-algebraic-eraser-may-be-the-most-risky-cryptosystem-youve-never-heard-of << lulzy piece re: the crypto charlatans i saw at shmoo 1376869;1453218973;ascii_butugychag;(even the volkischer beobachter makes fun of'em) 1376870;1453219011;ascii_butugychag;gotta love especially the part where 'you did not break our system, but a weak variant which we for no good reason give to all testers!111' 1376871;1453219067;mircea_popescu;yeah, "this was refuted" blabla. 1376872;1453219080;mircea_popescu;seems to me the conjugate separation is a rather universal solution 1376873;1453219097;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376755 << what kind of behaviour do you want out of a grep with an input having no newlines ? shit out whole file ? 1376874;1453219097;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 14:38:49; mircea_popescu: who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ? 1376875;1453219110;ascii_butugychag;grep doesn't return byte offsets, but assumes... lines!1111 1376876;1453219114;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it works by words too! 1376877;1453219129;mircea_popescu;what if i say "two words before three after" ? 1376878;1453219151;ascii_butugychag;no idea what kind of grep mircea_popescu is using, but mine deals in lines. 1376879;1453219185;mircea_popescu;grep -o -P '.{0,3}string.{0,4}' << does what ? 1376880;1453219236;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376818 << this existed and was (is?!!) called 'freenet.' and it sucked balls. 1376881;1453219236;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 14:57:37; mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else. 1376882;1453219249;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag wait what ?! 1376883;1453219267;ascii_butugychag;!s freenet 1376884;1453219268;assbot;32 results for 'freenet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=freenet 1376885;1453219293;mircea_popescu;o look, a year of paid development is 27k 1376886;1453219304;ascii_butugychag;waiwut 1376887;1453219308;mircea_popescu;anywa, freenet has exactly nothing to do with what was contemplated here. 1376888;1453219490;ascii_butugychag;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/supreme-court-wont-force-dhs-to-reveal-secret-plan-to-cut-cell-service << in other lulz from same rag 1376889;1453219491;assbot;Supreme Court won’t force DHS to reveal secret plan to cut cell service | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ouj0Qe ) 1376890;1453219530;mircea_popescu;the idea isn't to "surf websites" and "easy upload and download". the idea is to replace the motherfucking browser altogether, so that a chanpage is created out of discrete resources requested from peers exactly like the browser works but without touching any sort of web anything. 1376891;1453219581;ascii_butugychag;reduced to gossipd, no ? 1376892;1453219584;ascii_butugychag;*reduces 1376893;1453219592;mircea_popescu;certainly very close. 1376894;1453219607;mircea_popescu;anyway, you don't have to even parse html and all that bullshit - because your site template is fixed. 1376895;1453219619;mircea_popescu;so it kills the browser and everything web, all the way down. 1376896;1453219668;mircea_popescu;and honestly doing away with this particular bowdlerization of the idea of freedom where sites "can change" is such a great win just by itself... 1376897;1453219686;mircea_popescu;it should be fucking illegal to deviate from format. fucking idiot "symbolics" "designers". 1376898;1453219696;mircea_popescu;THIS is how a blog looks or go die. 1376899;1453219724;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely nothing valid or even remotely interesting you might need to "express yourself" through writing into the book sideways and with a round hole in the middle of the page. 1376900;1453219725;ascii_butugychag;wai wut symbolics wut ?? 1376901;1453219742;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you know, the orcs that don't have alphabet because their mommies were sluts or something. 1376902;1453219754;ascii_butugychag;ah i thought you meant the defunct american corp 1376903;1453219756;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1376904;1453219761;mircea_popescu;na 1376905;1453219764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00056533 = 83.7819 BTC [-] 1376906;1453219768;ascii_butugychag;what next, xerox is just a dry leaf ? 1376907;1453219787;mircea_popescu;next hopefully we do away with the notion of "font". 1376908;1453219789;ascii_butugychag;and a dumpster is a fella who likes to hang around dumps... 1376909;1453219792;mircea_popescu;maybe the chinese take care of that. 1376910;1453219811;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: how to 'do away with font' ? issue ibm rollerballs to everybody ? 1376911;1453219842;mircea_popescu;"you can install fixedsys to do any glyph translation you want on your system ; you may never reference glyphs when talking to other systems" 1376912;1453219944;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369329 << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Use_of_LSD 1376913;1453219944;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 17:35:59; ascii_butugychag: the other outputs also other things 1376914;1453219945;assbot;Kary Mullis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZKfCc8 ) 1376915;1453220107;mircea_popescu;something like this is fucking obvious, even to the lowliest derp : there is no concept of "wordpress theme" in the fucking code, and if you want to "skin it" you eitgher write one or, as the derp case usually is, go to a repository and load one you like. nobody goes "hey, we should be able to decide what wordpress theme is used to display this article IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE". 1376916;1453220122;mircea_popescu;but then the only reason this obviousness is obvious is because THEY FUCKING CANT. 1376917;1453220131;mircea_popescu;otherwise they'd be "improving" this too. 1376918;1453220385;mircea_popescu;html going the way of the ^G would be a greater win than most anything else. and not just for computing sanity, either. 1376919;1453220434;ascii_butugychag;shit are we gonna have to do the maths notation thread again. 1376920;1453220493;mircea_popescu;i thought it was resolved, and the resolution was "no more bullshit" 1376921;1453220519;copypaste;what's wrong with unicode 1376922;1453220523;ascii_butugychag;the resolution was that you can pry matrices from my cold, dead hands. 1376923;1453220532;mircea_popescu;what's that to do with html ? 1376924;1453220543;ascii_butugychag;nothing, html must die 1376925;1453220546;ascii_butugychag;this was re: glyphs. 1376926;1453220547;mircea_popescu;copypaste were you here for the "the humanoids in unicode are the wrong color" discussion ? 1376927;1453220550;copypaste;nothing, but it has a lot to do with fixedsys 1376928;1453220554;ascii_butugychag;^ 1376929;1453220580;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag how's "you may not reference glyph tables intra-systems" doing anything to your matrices ? 1376930;1453220587;copypaste;i don't think so, but i do remember that in the newest revision skintones were added, which was strange 1376931;1453220594;copypaste;i don't think fonts should contain color data 1376932;1453220595;mircea_popescu;you wanna look at them, paint them any way you wish. you wanna communicate them, stick to ((),()) 1376933;1453220624;ascii_butugychag;how do you indicate a mode switch ? 1376934;1453220627;mircea_popescu;copypaste the solution to infestation isn't to draw lines on the floor and try to keep the bugs from crossing over. the solution is to fog the place. no more unicode. 1376935;1453220635;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what mode. 1376936;1453220668;copypaste;what would you have instead of unicode, which would support all the world's languages? 1376937;1453220674;mircea_popescu;fuck that. 1376938;1453220675;copypaste;or, do you not think all the world's languages are worthy of support? 1376939;1453220684;mircea_popescu;all the world's languages can go invent their own computers. i'll read them in the afterlife. 1376940;1453220688;ascii_butugychag;nah only cultured man languages. 1376941;1453220702;copypaste;so english, russian, romanian, chinese? 1376942;1453220706;copypaste;is chinese cultured? 1376943;1453220707;mircea_popescu;latin. 1376944;1453220714;mircea_popescu;chinese is anticultured. 1376945;1453220718;mircea_popescu;they wanna compute, learn to abc. 1376946;1453220725;ascii_butugychag;... they did 1376947;1453220727;ascii_butugychag;!s pinyin 1376948;1453220728;assbot;7 results for 'pinyin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pinyin 1376949;1453220732;mircea_popescu;(this point, incidentally, is uncontroversial in the chinese space) 1376950;1453220736;ascii_butugychag;aha! 1376951;1453220739;mircea_popescu;as it was in ru space 1376952;1453220747;mircea_popescu;back before the whores starting pretending like government is a job. 1376953;1453221838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00056421 = 5.6421 BTC [-] 1376954;1453222448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00056421 = 5.7549 BTC [-] 1376955;1453222541;thestringpuller;oh looks bitgo wants to compete with green address: http://www.coindesk.com/bitgo-instant-bitcoin-transaction-tool/ 1376956;1453222832;mircea_popescu;lol how are they gonna "compete", who gives a shit about that thing ? 1376957;1453223013;thestringpuller;compete for lemming money! 1376958;1453223310;punkman;thestringpuller: what's a "key recovery service"? 1376959;1453223753;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376813 << this exists and is known as Bitmessage. Does not use gpg though. 1376960;1453223753;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 14:53:03; mircea_popescu: basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it. 1376961;1453223754;jurov;http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/releases/nissan-titan-warrior-concept-makes-world-debut-at-the-2016-north-american-international-auto-show << will croak like international xl cuz mircea_popescu won't buy it anyway 1376962;1453223757;assbot;Nissan TITAN Warrior Concept makes world debut at the 2016 North American International Auto Show - Nissan Online Newsroom ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejehR ) 1376963;1453224289;PeterL;https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/childrens-book-recalled-for-superficial-portrayal-of-slavery/2016/01/18/db881864-be47-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html << Slavery is bad, mkay? Don't let mircea_popescu tell you it is good, mkay? 1376964;1453224290;assbot;Children’s book recalled for superficial portrayal of slavery - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiHXKd ) 1376965;1453224345;mircea_popescu;gernika so in what sense does it exist ? 1376966;1453224400;mircea_popescu;PeterL gotta love how "against socialism" became "superficial". things that go against teh superficious ideology are ignorant!!11 1376967;1453224415;mircea_popescu;jurov waitwut ? 1376968;1453224454;jurov;iirc you dreamed about ooversize trucks? 1376969;1453224454;mircea_popescu;check that out, they put wheels on a shoe. 1376970;1453224455;PeterL;mircea_popescu, and instead of relying on parents to explain to thier children the background of the culture, we must ban the book. Bleh. 1376971;1453224458;gernika;I suppose in the same sense as bitcoin exists. 1376972;1453224483;mircea_popescu;gernika the idea was to make a chan not to convey short text messages in a roundabout manner. 1376973;1453224525;mircea_popescu;PeterL there is no way to explain the background of the culture in an ideologically acceptable manner. 1376974;1453224533;gernika;Bitmessage has a concept of chans - public forums. 1376975;1453224541;gernika;with pictures even 1376976;1453224544;mircea_popescu;it's rank nonsense. "back then, people owned people, which is bad" "why ?" "i dunno, bahamas said so" 1376977;1453224659;mircea_popescu;shrug. you a dev there gernika ? 1376978;1453224718;gernika;I am not. In my pre-#ba days I worked on project that used it. a distributed market, of all things. 1376979;1453224815;phf;end of 90s remnants of su intelligentsia, who grew up on stolen, non-localized hardware in the 70s and 80s, were actively arguing for translit. i still periodically get emails from hard science types written in translit. i remember some of those people were really mad when emacs 20 added localization support (MULE was particularly dodgy take on it). i didn't understand what the big deal was back then though. ironically i didn't have 1376980;1453224815;phf;shit to write or read, where's those guys produced GBs of text in translit, published entire tex papers that used escape codes to do cyrillic, etc. should've listened. 1376981;1453224821;mircea_popescu;i guess this is perhaps not obvious, tho i'd expect it to be : the odds of recent code created by random derps not in the wot being ever recommended, used or regarded positively here are somewhere between nil and epsilon. even old, widely distributed, supposedly well reviewed code turns out pretty shitty on examination. 1376982;1453224843;mircea_popescu;moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed. 1376983;1453224858;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing. there shall never be such a thing. 1376984;1453224892;mircea_popescu;phf i was one of the very few ro writers that never migrated. 1376985;1453224914;mircea_popescu;tore a bunch of holes in the "logical arguments" of the retards, to exactly no effect. their logic consists of whatever they make algal blooms out of. 1376986;1453224949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00056517 = 56.3474 BTC [+] {3} 1376987;1453225002;mircea_popescu;"GPG is useless because if somebody manages to exchange the data while it is transferred to you, he probably also switched the key with his own to sign the application again so it looks valid." 1376988;1453225006;mircea_popescu;these people are writing code ? 1376989;1453225017;mircea_popescu;https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,3927.msg8322.html#msg8322 << fucktards already. 1376990;1453225020;assbot;GPG-signed Downloads? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PengXp ) 1376991;1453225180;gernika;It has other problems as well, namely spam, which it was explicitly "designed" to prevent. 1376992;1453225208;mircea_popescu;spam shouldn't be a problem in a sane implementation of the above-discussed design 1376993;1453225236;punkman;retroshare does p2p forums with gpg, but I wouldn't really trust the thing 1376994;1453225237;mircea_popescu;broadly it seems more like a sort of confused yahoo messenger implemented by teenagers than anything. 1376995;1453225285;phf;key exchange is hard, but i designed this easy to use automated schENALRGE YOUR PENIS NOW!! 1376996;1453225291;mircea_popescu;punkman notably, the one difference between this and gossipd is that it really doesn't require so much trust. the paramount question isn't to make it possible for derps to safely exchange child porn or whatever, the paramount question is to make it possible to run a chan without having to bow down to an isp providing server space. 1376997;1453225314;mircea_popescu;at least in my understanding. 1376998;1453225315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49789 @ 0.00056421 = 28.0915 BTC [-] 1376999;1453225419;mircea_popescu;"Outgoing messages do not contain the explicit address of the recipient of the message. Therefore, every network participant attempts decryption of every message passing through the network even if the message was not originally intended for that network participant. Since only the actual recipient can successfully decrypt the messages intended for him, all network participants know that if they fail to decrypt the mes 1377000;1453225419;mircea_popescu;sage then the message was not intended for them." 1377001;1453225422;mircea_popescu;lol this should scale nicely. 1377002;1453225471;PeterL;isn't that how bitmessage worked too? 1377003;1453225492;PeterL;died under a dos, iiuc 1377004;1453225580;punkman;I like how retroshare provides a platform for various p2p applications, I hope whoever builds #ba-gossipd won't make it too IRC-oriented 1377005;1453225596;mircea_popescu;punkman what's your definition of irc-oriented ? 1377006;1453225644;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/EuRjL#selection-2261.15-2261.88 << blasts from past 1377007;1453225644;assbot;The Bitcoin believers - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeqxWB ) 1377008;1453225682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52311 @ 0.00056533 = 29.573 BTC [+] 1377009;1453225749;punkman;mircea_popescu: dunno, a system that lets you build IRC on it but gets in the way when you try to build other things (forum/chan, filesharing, etc) 1377010;1453225751;mircea_popescu;"Based in the heart of NYC, with strong banking and political partnerships, Coin.co is focused on establishing relationships with some of the world's most influential companies and institutions." << fancy that, website at least still exists. 1377011;1453225767;mircea_popescu;punkman this doesn't say too much does it ? 1377012;1453225789;punkman;indeed 1377013;1453225810;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1377014;1453225886;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/Bitmessage/PyBitmessage/issues/775 << poor surda, i guess he's trying the entire "push a mountain uphill to build strength" approach. 1377015;1453225887;assbot;singleton.py misdesign · Issue #775 · Bitmessage/PyBitmessage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiK6Wi ) 1377016;1453225925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120500 @ 0.00056421 = 67.9873 BTC [-] {2} 1377017;1453225937;gernika;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376982 << would an illustration of this be that on a timescale of 5 years (i.e. one year after acquihire), nothing created in SV by youthful enthusiasts remains? 1377018;1453225937;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 17:34:03; mircea_popescu: moreover, the wholly misplaced expectation of youthful enthusiasts that they may make a name for themselves through independently "creating" shit must be quashed. 1377019;1453225956;mircea_popescu;gernika for instance. 1377020;1453226014;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376847 << egregious example fro earlier today 1377021;1453226014;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 15:06:13; *: shinohai tried this as well, kinda liked some of it: http://about.psyc.eu/ 1377022;1453226017;ascii_butugychag;*from 1377023;1453226024;ascii_butugychag;even packaged its own oop shitlang 1377024;1453226026;ascii_butugychag;from 1990s. 1377025;1453226043;mircea_popescu;i really don't blame the kids themselves, they're being raped under the guise of education, and in two major ways : one to create a wholly delusional concept of "originality" which is so badly wound up in self-contradiction it causes most brains to shut down ; the other is more pervasive, they are prevented from socialising normally in a myriad ways and as such become incapable to work with others. 1377026;1453226063;mircea_popescu;while these idiocies may well serve societal and political goals of wrinkled up old women / usg, they have no room in the world. 1377027;1453226064;ascii_butugychag;i'm not seeing #2 1377028;1453226070;ascii_butugychag;they socialize very, very well 1377029;1453226073;ascii_butugychag;too well. 1377030;1453226075;mircea_popescu;nope. 1377031;1453226081;gernika;ascii_butugychag: beg to differ 1377032;1453226086;mircea_popescu;going to church is not socialisation, it's antisocialisation. 1377033;1453226087;punkman;ascii_butugychag: I was looking at their website last week, pretty much confused lemming doing random shit 1377034;1453226088;ascii_butugychag;but ~inside the leprosorium~ yes 1377035;1453226092;mircea_popescu;they can't go to a random bar, they can't talk to random people. 1377036;1453226104;mircea_popescu;socialisation is an ability to interact with the other , not an ability to tolerate the boring. 1377037;1453226144;ascii_butugychag;but the latter is precisely what happens in 'random bar with random people' 1377038;1453226147;ascii_butugychag;tolerate the boring. 1377039;1453226149;mircea_popescu;not at all. 1377040;1453226165;gernika;Roommate worked for adultfriendfinder.com. Did not leave his room, ever. And smelled like it. 1377041;1453226183;ascii_butugychag;gernika: nowhere is it written that a hermit must stop washing. 1377042;1453226202;gernika;Bathroom is down the hall, outside of the room. 1377043;1453226203;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag there's a problem of positive feedback loops. 1377044;1453226207;mircea_popescu;person gets used to himself. 1377045;1453226225;ascii_butugychag;sure. could shit on the floor, too 1377046;1453226235;ascii_butugychag;but it is possible not to. 1377047;1453226239;ascii_butugychag;to make an... effort. 1377048;1453226243;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "maintaining homeostasis" sort of things and what you describe. 1377049;1453226247;mircea_popescu;ever tried dead reckoning ? 1377050;1453226254;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1377051;1453226263;ascii_butugychag;one leg is longer, aha 1377052;1453226266;mircea_popescu;errors compound. without a star or other fixed outside... 1377053;1453226299;ascii_butugychag;'englishman takes a bath every week, whether he needs it or not!' (tm) (r) 1377054;1453226406;ascii_butugychag;at any rate, mircea_popescu will not find perelman inside $randombar 1377055;1453226425;mircea_popescu;i will find everything everywhere, thank you very much. 1377056;1453226472;mircea_popescu;this is just another restatement of the 'you won't find your soulmate in the brothel'. what are you, your own mother ?! 1377057;1453226484;phf;hermit is not the same as hobo. i saw a hermit in india once, he lived in a cave and was well groomed within the limits of what was available to him. he smelled infinitely better then the bums that were begging in the street. for all practicle purpose american nerds are "hobos" with housing 1377058;1453226520;ascii_butugychag;phf has it 1377059;1453226523;phf;mind and will go first, then the body 1377060;1453226535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00056533 = 15.5748 BTC [+] 1377061;1453226542;ascii_butugychag;'mens sana in corpore sano' (tm) (r) 1377062;1453226547;mircea_popescu;phf you know there's an entire classification of the ... idle members of society. hobo travels, will work. tramp won't work, but travels. bum doesn't travel. etc. 1377063;1453226649;mircea_popescu;a punk is, of course, the eromenos in the typical pressure-driven homosexual relationships they engage in. a hooker's not the same as a harlot and so on and so forth 1377064;1453226998;phf;yeah, i'm lost with the terminology. my view into the lazy world is through hipster bums, like crust punks and gypsters, and they are not very precise with their terminolgoy, or else they latch on to some word and aggressively use it to self identify 1377065;1453227098;punkman;what's below the bum? 1377066;1453227099;mircea_popescu;well... you know, random technician in factory may well not know wtf he's doing also. 1377067;1453227127;mircea_popescu;punkman the bum is not violent. generally "below" would go towards more violence. 1377068;1453227158;mircea_popescu;a knave, well antiquated by now, would technically denote a "child of better means who is now destitute and agressive out of survived entitlement". a word lafond's looking for. 1377069;1453227173;ascii_butugychag;violent man is.. not yet ~spent~. bum - is spent. 1377070;1453227198;mircea_popescu;there is some merit in this. 1377071;1453227245;mircea_popescu;female side is similar. whore is just that, end of road. hooker tries to grab you with a well placed line, still has that much fight left in her. 1377072;1453227253;phf;with this classification crust punks and gypsters mostly fall into tramp category 1377073;1453227271;mircea_popescu;imo they're scamps. (juveniles trying to live off recycling) 1377074;1453227284;mircea_popescu;sorta common behaviour in youth of all mammals. 1377075;1453227389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125250 @ 0.00056537 = 70.8126 BTC [+] {2} 1377076;1453227397;ascii_butugychag;btw ru prison hierarchy follows similar gradation 1377077;1453227402;mircea_popescu;aha. 1377078;1453227408;mircea_popescu;there's a reason for this, it's natural. 1377079;1453227417;ascii_butugychag;at the bottom you have folks who no longer care how many kg of shit is attached to body 1377080;1453227428;mircea_popescu;when the weigher for the worth in pounds of flesh comes around, it god damned weighs. 1377081;1453227429;ascii_butugychag;yes! 1377082;1453227464;ascii_butugychag;and was it mircea_popescu who had the article with 'the inescapable kid in school who smells of amoeba' 1377083;1453227467;ascii_butugychag;or what was it 1377084;1453227477;ascii_butugychag;euglena. 1377085;1453227494;mircea_popescu;"cu miros de euglene" ? 1377086;1453227502;ascii_butugychag;aha ^^ ! 1377087;1453227537;ascii_butugychag;or - at least in several key ways - the untouchables of india. 1377088;1453227544;ascii_butugychag;it's a thing. 1377089;1453227645;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43tDr9XndEE 1377090;1453227646;assbot;MO-Piftel Cenzurat de Darius Iurca - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiLYOQ ) 1377091;1453227648;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1377092;1453227705;ascii_butugychag;and it was definitely in a mircea_popescu article where i saw 'choose between 'bullying' and life among monsters' 1377093;1453227721;mircea_popescu;quite. 1377094;1453227726;phf;a spent bum is by analogy with доходяга or фитиль 1377095;1453227732;ascii_butugychag;and berkem al atomi (pseudonym) had essay re: same 1377096;1453227740;ascii_butugychag;and phf has it 1377097;1453227749;ascii_butugychag;also черти (devils) 1377098;1453227815;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376466 << 12 inches is all anyone needs for journalistic purposes 1377099;1453227815;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 11:30:27; jurov: lol dat monitor porn. crappy lg with visible burnout spots of backlight tubes here :D 1377100;1453227850;ascii_butugychag;доходяга - 'one who's walked out his walk' - has implications of starvation 1377101;1453227854;ascii_butugychag;so not quite same 1377102;1453227959;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: i don't know anybody who ever gave a fuck how big a display is in inches. pixels are what counts 1377103;1453227975;ascii_butugychag;you can make moar inches optically. 1377104;1453228000;ascii_butugychag;like my grandfather's su tv set with water tank lens. 1377105;1453228042;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: It's the shitty 13XX by 76X so Really 12 inches or less is the only way it does tolerable dpi 1377106;1453228050;jurov;rly? how do i magnify the 27" 5K display to usable 40" ? 1377107;1453228057;ascii_butugychag;jurov: sit closer. 1377108;1453228073;jurov;nah, i'm glad i don't have to 1377109;1453228154;*;BingoBoingo also the person who likes computer fan noise, because conveys feelings of Power!!! 1377110;1453228199;phf;gets all excited during compilation, fan kick in "yeah, motherfucker, we're ~doing~ shit" 1377111;1453228243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90250 @ 0.0005629 = 50.8017 BTC [-] {4} 1377112;1453228458;BingoBoingo;The secret to surpressing the worse harmonics fan's can produce is running an AM radio in the same room. 1377113;1453228487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184800 @ 0.00056588 = 104.5746 BTC [+] 1377114;1453228514;jurov;my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally 1377115;1453228572;ascii_butugychag;jurov: i clean'em yearly 1377116;1453228572;mircea_popescu; jurov: sit closer. << nuts, really. 1377117;1453228580;mircea_popescu;!up tomothy 1377118;1453228663;ascii_butugychag;the one thing crapple got right: 1377119;1453228670;ascii_butugychag;i should not ever have to see an individual pixel 1377120;1453228683;ascii_butugychag;or have the display behave in any way other than exactly like a photo enlarger: 1377121;1453228692;ascii_butugychag;to make the text as small as bearable 1377122;1453228710;ascii_butugychag;and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother. 1377123;1453228714;BingoBoingo; my secret is to vacuum all the fans occassionally << yes, also have fans feeding fans fanned air. This done right can lead to powerful rumble sounds from machien 1377124;1453228786;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: this is how you destroy fans 1377125;1453228792;ascii_butugychag;they can't take shear. 1377126;1453228833;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: The rumbling noise actually comes from the baffles. Anyways China always has more fans to ship 1377127;1453228892;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369156 << BingoBoingo should have bough this 1377128;1453228892;assbot;Logged on 13-01-2016 13:24:52; jurov: http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha 1377129;1453228900;jurov;*bought 1377130;1453228911;BingoBoingo;lol 1377131;1453228937;jurov;!up t 1377132;1453228953;*;BingoBoingo got some cool noises moving AM radio between dueling transformers 1377133;1453229003;jurov;wtf 1377134;1453229004;mircea_popescu;"A few days after the book was released, readers took the author, the illustrator and the publisher to task online for presenting a sanitized version of the life of Washingtons cook and other enslaved people. An insulting tale that sprinkles glitter on rape, murder, torture and servitude, wrote one outraged reviewer." 1377135;1453229011;jurov;!up t 1377136;1453229012;mircea_popescu;ahaha da fuck. i'm sure washington's cook was murdered and raped. 1377137;1453229016;mircea_popescu;what the everloving. 1377138;1453229193;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376745 << Just woke up I'll leave it to someone else or just let it not be news 1377139;1453229193;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 13:50:36; mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo ^ plox to or actually... 1377140;1453229208;mircea_popescu;it's lulz not news. 1377141;1453229238;mircea_popescu;somebody got some very bad news yesterday, coped in the manner these schmucks tend to cope. 1377142;1453229248;mircea_popescu;anyone recall our sweat blood and tears friend tom ? 1377143;1453229273;ascii_butugychag;obligatory vintagelul: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/177161 1377144;1453229274;assbot;Booker T. and W.E.B. by Dudley Randall : The Poetry Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg164N ) 1377145;1453229351;ascii_butugychag;'“It seems to me,” said Booker T., / “It shows a mighty lot of cheek / To study chemistry and Greek / When Mister Charlie needs a hand / To hoe the cotton on his land, / And when Miss Ann looks for a cook, / Why stick your nose inside a book?”' 1377146;1453229364;mircea_popescu;"I'm going back to the frozen north, where the pricks are hard and strong. Back to the land of the all-night stand-where the nights are six months long, where you get it in bits as hard as tin in the land where spunk is spunk - not a trickling stream of lukewarm cream, but a solid frozen chunk." 1377147;1453229364;danielpbarron;;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot 1377148;1453229365;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1377149;1453229382;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: yes! 1377150;1453229395;ascii_butugychag;the insemination of sam mcgee, or what was it 1377151;1453229403;mircea_popescu;story of eskimo nell 1377152;1453229415;mircea_popescu;lol derp stop pmflooding me. 1377153;1453229434;ascii_butugychag;waiwut 1377154;1453229498;pete_dushenski;"the northern dykes have seen queer sights" 1377155;1453229541;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1377156;1453229552;mircea_popescu;i dunno, laddel sent me a pile of uncleal links and got canned by freenode 1377157;1453229553;pete_dushenski;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5ZV7oS-d9S8/TUDiT7BuBbI/AAAAAAAAAA4/9jt4zVvGXyo/s1600/TedHarrison.jpg << harrison's does service best 1377158;1453229554;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbZRDc ) 1377159;1453229620;ascii_butugychag;iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz 1377160;1453229639;mircea_popescu;prolly. 1377161;1453229666;ascii_butugychag;and my seal thereof. 1377162;1453229680;ascii_butugychag;i still have the floppies!111 1377163;1453229707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 184350 @ 0.00056648 = 104.4306 BTC [+] {5} 1377164;1453229727;funkenstein_;"Today, Kraken expands to the United States and Canada and acquires major exchanges Coinsetter and Cavirtex!" 1377165;1453229737;mircea_popescu;haha major ?! 1377166;1453229747;mircea_popescu;!up gabriel_laddel 1377167;1453229758;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377159 << link? 1377168;1453229758;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 18:53:40; ascii_butugychag: iirc mircea_popescu does have the 1377 w4r3z full tarball of al schwartz 1377169;1453229767;mircea_popescu;in other bitcoin network news, "Estimated Confirmation TimeVery Soon (High Priority)" txn waiting for the past half hour to be included. 1377170;1453229802;mircea_popescu;in no small part because in the past 75 minutes we had 3 blocks. 1377171;1453229804;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1377172;1453229805;gribble;862245670.075 1377173;1453229812;mircea_popescu;im kinda starting to believe teh numbers lie. 1377174;1453229820;thestringpuller;hashrate drop. 1377175;1453229829;thestringpuller;;;bc,stats 1377176;1453229833;gribble;Current Blocks: 394050 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 1085 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1377177;1453229841;funkenstein_;hashcrash 1377178;1453229860;ascii_butugychag;the minerz are ripe for a powocalypse, good and hard, imho 1377179;1453229881;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376521 << it's funny, because i AM thrilled to hear that the self-proclaimed "poor slave" dood wearing the fucking rolex submariner on his wrist like it's been there since birth thinks that my new rolex datejust is sub-par. it really cements the theory that while stan is an indentured slave, it's his own choice to be there and the door is open. so ha! 1377180;1453229881;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 12:31:52; mircea_popescu: "Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because Im not a poorfag" << - >> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear. 1377181;1453229885;funkenstein_;lol 1377182;1453229901;funkenstein_;SHArmaggedon 1377183;1453229925;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: if it makes ya feel better, i also run cruddy eizos 1377184;1453229925;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41ps56/q_for_gregory_maxwell_would_it_be_within/ 1377185;1453229926;assbot;Q for Gregory Maxwell: Would it be within consideration to implement a different PoW hardfork at the same time as Classic's? A: Yes, it would be possible to do that. Candidate code is already written. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2GUl ) 1377186;1453229934;gabriel_laddel;"Consider a transistor whose components are themselves transistors, whose components... Electrical engineers desperately woo the third dimension of circuit integration as they pack increasingly denser forests of linearly ordered planar devices onto increasingly larger chips. Perhaps the third dimension need not be height. Perhaps it is one of form, of complexity, of recursive fractal structure wherefrom mystic self- 1377187;1453229934;gabriel_laddel;aware intelligence emerges out of a vortex of telescoping intricacy like Excalibur being thrust through the surface by the Lady of the Lake. " -- http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/intel2.htm 1377188;1453229935;assbot;WHY INTELLIGENCE? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg2K6u ) 1377189;1453229937;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: actually it does 1377190;1453229949;ascii_butugychag;i get'em used. 1377191;1453229953;ascii_butugychag;one is b&w even 1377192;1453229959;pete_dushenski;aha like doctor 1377193;1453229961;mircea_popescu;not that at this point "classic" is anything but a drunken joke, but anyway 1377194;1453229964;ascii_butugychag;(meant for hospital 'cat scan') 1377195;1453229967;gabriel_laddel;Alright, time to RescueCD. 1377196;1453229995;ascii_butugychag;i paid less for my eizos than most lusers pay for 'dell' at the shop. 1377197;1453230004;funkenstein_;I like this young man cause when he first came out he had the line, he went from asic to classic 1377198;1453230031;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: but you do realise that this is exactly, and i do mean exactly like the guy driving la ferrari snubbing nose at guy driving 488 gtb. 1377199;1453230063;pete_dushenski;or guy living in mega-mega^^^mega-mansion in beverly hills snubbing guy just living in mega-... 1377200;1453230073;pete_dushenski;also in bh 1377201;1453230076;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ hm ? 1377202;1453230128;funkenstein_;from notorious BIG, original was "ashy to classy" 1377203;1453230130;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i bet ascii_butugychag doesn't even play video games 1377204;1453230135;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376419 << that many munchkins need a 600 landaulet a la http://jalopnik.com/saddam-husseins-mercedes-benz-600-landaulet-is-amazing-451684879 1377205;1453230135;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1377206;1453230135;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 07:05:41; BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe by Child 9 pete acquires a G Wagon for the roads or lack thereof? 1377207;1453230136;assbot;Saddam Hussein's Mercedes-Benz 600 Landaulet Is Amazing And Spooky ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg3bxF ) 1377208;1453230138;ascii_butugychag;nope. 1377209;1453230154;ascii_butugychag;what games, on 4 vertical lcd, under gentoo 1377210;1453230169;thestringpuller;Kerbal Space Program would be perfect for that setup 1377211;1453230173;ascii_butugychag;i don't even have 'accelerated' raster. 1377212;1453230177;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: he plays more games than i do. except he plays on dos or w/e 1377213;1453230184;thestringpuller;aha 1377214;1453230188;ascii_butugychag;i had a separate box for this, for a while 1377215;1453230189;thestringpuller;leisure suite larry? 1377216;1453230197;ascii_butugychag;486 1377217;1453230233;ascii_butugychag;playing games was a thing from a much happier time, for asciilifeform 1377218;1453230278;pete_dushenski;waitwut kraken bought coinbase and cavirtex ? i thought kraken did like 10 coins a day in volume. that's like instagram buying facebook. 1377219;1453230291;danielpbarron;you should be able to play eulora on gentoo (i do) 1377220;1453230301;phf;scummvm runs nicely, what else you need 1377221;1453230308;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron: i don't have 3d rendering 1377222;1453230317;danielpbarron;so get 1377223;1453230339;ascii_butugychag;can ~get~ whatever, but it would have to be a separate dedicated box 1377224;1453230350;ascii_butugychag;like the ones i keep for running virii 1377225;1453230375;ascii_butugychag;and there is only so much room. 1377226;1453230405;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376415 << this is particularly funny because girls around here, even "educated" ones, have never even ~heard~ of wetnurses. concept doesn't exist in their minds. can boobfeed yourself ? here, buy this $50/day majick formula. can't afford that ? petition the gov to give it to you for free (true tawk, this actually happened recently for parents who couldn't afford "hypoal 1377227;1453230405;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 06:54:03; BingoBoingo: Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele" 1377228;1453230405;pete_dushenski;ic formula" or some shit) 1377229;1453230413;danielpbarron;and it's not like playing would take time away from your not sleeping; most things you can automate 1377230;1453230414;ascii_butugychag;trying to avoid the 'nazi submarine' feel of my old flat 1377231;1453230439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00056166 = 11.7387 BTC [-] {3} 1377232;1453230498;danielpbarron;i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone 1377233;1453230544;jurov;how? you strem logs? 1377234;1453230548;jurov;*stream 1377235;1453230554;danielpbarron;tail -f 1377236;1453230572;mircea_popescu; i'm at a diner right now watching my explore bot via ssh terminal on fone << epic. 1377237;1453230576;danielpbarron;yeah foxybot logs all attempts 1377238;1453230587;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376523 << at $1.45 cad to usd, what else are they good for ? perhaps kindling but i'll hold off on that for as long as this boiler is working. 1377239;1453230587;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 12:33:58; mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money. 1377240;1453230590;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That's why you get some Swedish gurlz for that 1377241;1453230643;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: you aren't entirely wrong about the ferrari, but you guessed the ~wrong ferrari~ 1377242;1453230646;ascii_butugychag;it isn't the hardware 1377243;1453230650;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: aha. like former mrs. woods and mrs. bundchen 1377244;1453230656;BingoBoingo;lol 1377245;1453230665;ascii_butugychag;but the standalone building without zombies on the grounds thing 1377246;1453230710;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: are there other "elin" and "gisele" that you know of ? that are also for hire ? (nannies or models ?) 1377247;1453230731;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Those names seem common enough 1377248;1453230811;pete_dushenski;tevye having fun with a different type of blackhole than yesterday. log snippet for those curious : http://dpaste.com/2K9AAQ6.txt 1377249;1453230812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jg4Gfg ) 1377250;1453230833;pete_dushenski;shutdown and reboot fixed last one, may need to go that route again ? 1377251;1453230864;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: running with malleus ? 1377252;1453230871;pete_dushenski;yes. 1377253;1453230898;ascii_butugychag;and there is no reason to reboot these 1377254;1453230917;ascii_butugychag;(have the thing auto-restart if oomkilled, but beyond this, no point unless you built a new one) 1377255;1453230927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69650 @ 0.00056033 = 39.027 BTC [-] {2} 1377256;1453230928;pete_dushenski;could not have "ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command." neh ? 1377257;1453230940;pete_dushenski;(not from paste, but in logs) 1377258;1453230952;ascii_butugychag;ah ok 1377259;1453231011;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: i'll just leave it as-is for now. see what happens. 1377260;1453231041;pete_dushenski;30 blocks behind atm. 1377261;1453231065;pete_dushenski;and nowhere near resource limits 1377262;1453231080;ascii_butugychag;the solution to overloaded and shitflooded trb nodes is... to have 1000x more of'em 1377263;1453231086;ascii_butugychag;how about ~we~ isolate the idiots, for a change. 1377264;1453231098;pete_dushenski;484.4 MB of 2 GB Used (memory) and 187.71 MB of 2 GB Used (vswap) 1377265;1453231100;ascii_butugychag;instead of the reverse. 1377266;1453231169;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the "spv" nodes that are the problem. 1377267;1453231177;ascii_butugychag;not exclusively. 1377268;1453231185;mircea_popescu;much like irl it's pretty much the "home nat router" that is the problem. 1377269;1453231191;ascii_butugychag;but yeah, there is a thick layer of them between us and mines. 1377270;1453231204;thestringpuller;the hearnia is removed, the ecological contamination remains 1377271;1453231232;ascii_butugychag;the thing that always bothered me about bitcoin is that miners are basically opportunistic vermin 1377272;1453231247;ascii_butugychag;and a machine that relies on cockroaches in whatever capacity, is what kind of machine. 1377273;1453231275;mircea_popescu;anyway. i've moved my tx fee from 0.0001 (~4 cents) to 0.00022 (bout a dime, give or take). 1377274;1453231294;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: this doesn't measurably lighten load 1377275;1453231296;ascii_butugychag;thinkaboutit 1377276;1453231298;mircea_popescu;this is the first time i changed it since introducing the fucking concept back in 2012 ish. 1377277;1453231304;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag in no way related to peers discussion. 1377278;1453231305;ascii_butugychag;yes, it is ecologically cleaner, ~for other nodes~ 1377279;1453231307;ascii_butugychag;ah ok 1377280;1453231311;PeterL;ascii_butugychag, is there a way to do bitcoin without the miners? 1377281;1453231316;mircea_popescu;just outraged that txn has been waiting for inclusion for an hour now. 1377282;1453231317;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: not as such 1377283;1453231354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24988 @ 0.00056719 = 14.1729 BTC [+] 1377284;1453231354;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is it high-S again? 1377285;1453231356;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag life on earth relies on cockroaches and vermin generally. 1377286;1453231362;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1377287;1453231365;PeterL;would they be oppourtunistic vermin if there was not a block subsidy (fees only)? 1377288;1453231372;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller all versions exist on teh network. 1377289;1453231392;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374417 1377290;1453231392;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz... 1377291;1453231396;thestringpuller;hmm? 1377292;1453231429;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Hey, a fallback plan is a fallback plan 1377293;1453231432;mircea_popescu;so in other news, seeing how the next halving happens to more or less coincide with the expected next usg attempt to "save" bitcoin, 1377294;1453231440;mircea_popescu;i imagine we'll be hearing a lot about how, and to quote, 1377295;1453231445;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: 'life on earth' is not an instrument, i don't push buttons on it and expect a timely response 1377296;1453231461;mircea_popescu;"Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a "collapse of the total financial system", as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with "S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005" but they find 1377297;1453231461;mircea_popescu;easy money too seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s." 1377298;1453231471;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag neither is bitcoin. 1377299;1453231532;mircea_popescu;your "push button, i matter" mental model is only applicable here inasmuch as you're hypocritical enough to go "i planted tree, and got an apple, therefore am in control" sorta thing. 1377300;1453231536;copypaste;mircea_popescu: i've heard some saying that miners won't "allow" the halving to occur because they would never "vote for" something so against their "best interest"...these people don't understand the social contract behind bitcoin of course, or even that miners don't vote on anything but who gets 25BTC 1377301;1453231538;mircea_popescu;otherwise... no. zero control and no buttons. 1377302;1453231578;mircea_popescu;copypaste no, "these people" who aren't in any sort of sense people are merely laying the ground work for "the next battle", as they perceive the string of endless humiliations and buttrapes they receive. 1377303;1453231609;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny to me, because the vermin they regard as their progenitors, various "social rights activists" and whatnot benefitted from a context where each defeat made eventual victory more likely. 1377304;1453231635;BingoBoingo;^ Populist "Hegelianism" 1377305;1453231636;mircea_popescu;the situation here is EXACTLY opposite, but they obviously lack anything other than the zombie drive. 1377306;1453231638;mircea_popescu;braaaaainzzzz 1377307;1453231681;copypaste;as far as i'm concerned at this point any bitcoin hardfork is an altcoin and every softfork is a way to give free coins to miners at some later date 1377308;1453231684;mircea_popescu;so basically the comedy goldmine is really a comedy well. 1377309;1453231720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106543 @ 0.00056032 = 59.6982 BTC [-] {2} 1377310;1453231857;BingoBoingo;Where evil is born http://www.iep.utm.edu/hstlouis/ 1377311;1453231858;assbot;St. Louis Hegelians | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzeUt4 ) 1377312;1453232036;mircea_popescu;aand... 7 blocks in the past 2 hours. 1377313;1453232066;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1377314;1453232067;gribble;862572105.607 1377315;1453232089;BingoBoingo;BuBuBuBut, yesterday the derps swore there was a whole exahash! 1377316;1453232103;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone find it odd that the best way to "increase thoroughput", which is clean, safe and above all ecological (in that it brings the halvings closer) would actually be to re-set the time between blocks to something like 4-5 minutes ? 1377317;1453232112;mircea_popescu;somehow that's the one hardfork nobody thought to mention. 1377318;1453232139;BingoBoingo;Gavine taked about taking it down to under 2minutes 1377319;1453232149;pete_dushenski;litecoin did 1 min iirc 1377320;1453232152;mircea_popescu;right, usgavin poison pills aside. 1377321;1453232162;pete_dushenski;coblee too 1377322;1453232188;pete_dushenski;"Hey {!firstname_fix}, Happy New Year! We are starting 2016 with some fireworks of our own – Cavirtex (and our parent Coinsetter) is being acquired by Kraken, a premier bitcoin exchange." << from actual e-mail 1377323;1453232189;mircea_popescu;taking it from 6 to 5 not only gives you a cheap 20% boost of thoroughput, but also significantly reduces the "probability to wait 1 hr for txn inclusion". by about 60% or so. 1377324;1453232196;mircea_popescu;because 2 extra blocks in that hour. 1377325;1453232215;copypaste;What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ? 1377326;1453232236;mircea_popescu;heh. 1377327;1453232408;BingoBoingo; What is the difference between a "Bitcoin Exchange" and a "Premier Bitcoin Exchange" ? << Rectal dialation necessary for delivery 1377328;1453232548;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1377329;1453232554;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.86, vol: 6810.45777361 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.565, vol: 6662.0808 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 15968.28702002 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 1.39892602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 382.49584, vol: 39926.59470000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.801999978, vol: 40.67690595 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.382331361 1377330;1453232557;BingoBoingo;;;more 1377331;1453232558;gribble;Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 1377332;1453232720;funkenstein_;i guess "premier" wasn't good enough for gribble 1377333;1453232765;copypaste;i for one had never heard of it 1377334;1453232790;copypaste;it trades "litecoins" as well as bitcoins 1377335;1453232834;copypaste;"The best bitcoin exchange is needed for serious and professional bitcoin traders. Bitcoin security must be impeccable. Banking relationships must be sound and reliable. The trading engine must be fast. Order types must be advanced. And profits must be able to be multiplied with Bitcoin margin trading so you can leverage long bitcoin positions or short bitcoin positions." from kraken.com 1377336;1453232838;copypaste;it reads like a scam site. boring 1377337;1453232940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123550 @ 0.00056225 = 69.466 BTC [+] {3} 1377338;1453233040;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1377339;1453233123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115600 @ 0.00056721 = 65.5695 BTC [+] {3} 1377340;1453233322;mircea_popescu;in other news, teh reddit astroturf brigade has done some studying, and is now quoting [without attribution, of course] what i said last time, but with the persons switched. because yeah, totally, that's how things work o.O 1377341;1453233335;mircea_popescu;saying makes it so!!1 1377342;1453233349;ascii_butugychag;l0lwut 1377343;1453233374;mircea_popescu;"Probably yes. It's the equivalent of a little boy taking his ball and going home because everyone is not playing according to his rules. It's a useless gesture unless there is a factory of fresh asic chips rolling off the production line in anticipation of the new POW and/or there is a large chunk of the Bitcoin economy that is willing to completely abandon the larger block chain. 1377344;1453233376;mircea_popescu;The human incentive to adopt this chain would be incredibly low though as everyone has GregCoins now and any exchange that decides to allow arbitrage between the two chains is going to see huge dumps onto the GregCoin chain which will quickly obliterate the price. Why? Because the very large majority that own Bitcoins want the blocksize to increase. I will also happily flush my GregCoins the instant some stupid schmuck 1377345;1453233381;mircea_popescu; wishes to buy them too ;)." 1377346;1453233391;mircea_popescu;you know, s/gavincoin/gregcoin/". mit-originality! 1377347;1453233472;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/41l2ge/bitcoin_classic_and_the_future_of_the_rbitcoinxt/ << in other lulz. 1377348;1453233473;assbot;Bitcoin Classic, and the future of the /r/BitcoinXT subreddit. : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQrOW ) 1377349;1453233495;*;pete_dushenski recalls borrowing 'mit-originality' scheme for 'garzikcoin' aka bip 100 1377350;1453233550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00055889 = 20.8745 BTC [-] {4} 1377351;1453233585;*;BingoBoingo just thrilled he pulled the trigger on publishing http://qntra.net/2016/01/radeon-refresh-gets-shrink-to-14-nm/ 1377352;1453233586;assbot;Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/23cQJ8f ) 1377353;1453233647;ascii_butugychag;'the bitcoin economy' ahahahal0l 1377354;1453233672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23924 @ 0.00056727 = 13.5714 BTC [+] 1377355;1453233706;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: because ? 1377356;1453233735;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Might, just might become mining news after its publication 1377357;1453233798;pete_dushenski;aha 1377358;1453233822;BingoBoingo;Yet even the threat of that becoming mining news is already having a significant effect of the social media shit burbling noises 1377359;1453233846;BingoBoingo;Buttfurry appears to be rolling over and showing its belly. 1377360;1453233912;BingoBoingo;And F2Pool/Discus Fish for all practical purpose appears to be completely impenetrable in their actual intent to the Anglophone 1377361;1453233976;mircea_popescu;they certainly don't mind the bitfury idiots having been idiots. 1377362;1453233983;mircea_popescu;more pie for them. 1377363;1453233987;mircea_popescu;western bois never learn. 1377364;1453233991;BingoBoingo;Sure 1377365;1453234003;mircea_popescu;cuz unique and speshul snowflake and slavery was bad mkay. 1377366;1453234017;BingoBoingo;Just the F2Pool enigma made for some interesting Astroturf for about 36 hours 1377367;1453234061;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, it's 7 blocks in 150 minutes over here. 1377368;1453234068;BingoBoingo;seriously 1377369;1453234108;mircea_popescu;112 in 1200 and 7 in 150. such luck. 1377370;1453234124;pete_dushenski;in a two week period, not impossible 1377371;1453234149;mircea_popescu;this isn't jus' any two week period. 1377372;1453234165;pete_dushenski;there's that 1377373;1453234185;BingoBoingo;Did CIA accidently some Chinese farms? 1377374;1453234221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 257000 @ 0.00057058 = 146.6391 BTC [+] {5} 1377375;1453234289;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: old-fashioned sabotage, best bang for usg buck 1377376;1453234330;BingoBoingo;An ounce of thermite can castrate substantial captial 1377377;1453234339;ascii_butugychag;expect many 'accidental' fires, floods, locust plagues, at non-toomim mines 1377378;1453234341;mircea_popescu;it is possible. i've been looking for smoke on satpics, nothing showing. 1377379;1453234349;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag in this particular case very much so. 1377380;1453234379;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: you won't see smoke, this is not the oil fields of kuwait 1377381;1453234390;ascii_butugychag;most of the damage in such a case is from sprinkler system, even 1377382;1453234444;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. you may overevaluate miners in places. 1377383;1453234495;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: even if no fire suppression systems, they ~do~ cool with water 1377384;1453234512;mircea_popescu;actually most miners are aircooled. 1377385;1453234522;ascii_butugychag;that was not my impression re: current cn 1377386;1453234528;ascii_butugychag;but i don't have a mole there. 1377387;1453234530;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: you haven't seen the videos ? 1377388;1453234543;pete_dushenski;was on 'vice' or somesuch 1377389;1453234551;punkman;;;interval 1377390;1453234552;pete_dushenski;!s vice bitcoin mine 1377391;1453234552;assbot;0 results for 'vice bitcoin mine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vice+bitcoin+mine 1377392;1453234552;gribble;576.0 1377393;1453234572;punkman;(avg interval in seconds for last 1000 blocks) 1377394;1453234574;pete_dushenski;;;google site:vice.com bitcoin miner 1377395;1453234576;gribble;Inside the Chinese Bitcoin Mine That's Grossing $1.5M a Month ...: ; Motherboard | Bitcoin mining | Page 1 | Motherboard: ; µTorrent's Shady Bitcoin-Mining Program Could Blow Up Your ...: mircea_popescu: 400 bux buys what? one tire for my car? l0l << 400 bux could reshoe my entire car. You certainly are spending too much on car bezzle! 1377485;1453237060;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Dead squirrel is best embedded computing platform 1377486;1453237074;BingoBoingo;Lots of watts of power released in decomposition 1377487;1453237112;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i thought it was a usg-powered co. and therefore could as easily dispense btc (obtained from prisoners, or toomim) as gold dubloons 1377488;1453237129;mircea_popescu;this is something you keep stating as fact, i keep laughing at, and you keep stating as fact. 1377489;1453237145;mircea_popescu;then when reality contradicts you... i guess will continue, because hey. gotta believe usg is the little shitengine that can. 1377490;1453237157;ascii_butugychag;perhaps mircea_popescu is posting from the future, from among the ruins 1377491;1453237168;mircea_popescu;only thing it could do passibly atm is suck cock, and thats the one thing it's ideologically committed to not doing. 1377492;1453237171;ascii_butugychag;where yes, usg doing anything but fertilizing the grass from underneath is laughable 1377493;1453237190;mircea_popescu;but i guess in time that'll dissolve also. 1377494;1453237192;ascii_butugychag;over here where i live, usg printing press still buys plenty 1377495;1453237256;pete_dushenski;400 bounty is less than elementary school science fair. seriously. 1377496;1453237273;pete_dushenski;usg is poorer than local community league or something 1377497;1453237285;ascii_butugychag;which is why the 400 thing is a joke 1377498;1453237287;ascii_butugychag;trollbait 1377499;1453237302;ascii_butugychag;do you see nsa putting 400 usd bounty on breaking rsa ? 1377500;1453237333;pete_dushenski;400 on kim jong un's head maybe 1377501;1453237341;pete_dushenski;so, he lives. 1377502;1453237350;pete_dushenski;so pizza stays unordered. 1377503;1453237352;BingoBoingo;In other news Clitler MS Exchange scandal is escalating. Not just Top Seekrit nao. Special Access, and Compartmented shit nao. Time to count her lizard scales 1377504;1453237353;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, kennedy put $1 on castro's head once 1377505;1453237358;ascii_butugychag;as a deliberate thing 1377506;1453237397;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: link? 1377507;1453237413;pete_dushenski;speaking of pizzalulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw 1377508;1453237414;assbot;Pizza Hut Gorbachev TV Spot Commercial :60 International version - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDHVOQ ) 1377509;1453237419;ascii_butugychag;^famous 1377510;1453237429;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Just heard on KMOX, no link yet 1377511;1453237441;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: can see why. 1377512;1453237453;BingoBoingo;Seriously AM radio is best RSS feed 1377513;1453237459;mircea_popescu;aaand we're back to 6 blocks in 2 hours levels. 1377514;1453237461;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 1377515;1453237461;BingoBoingo;Makes no demands on eyes 1377516;1453237465;gribble;Time since last block: 23 minutes and 16 seconds 1377517;1453237558;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: fine for me because i don't think tevye's processing them any faster than that. was stuck on 022 for like 4 hours. now stuck on 029 1377518;1453237579;mircea_popescu;kik 1377519;1453237639;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: you realize that it isn't actually sitting and verifying the block, right ? 1377520;1453237679;pete_dushenski;yes. it's trying to play submarine in swamp. 1377521;1453237686;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1377522;1453237687;pete_dushenski;sans periscope 1377523;1453237700;ascii_butugychag;the evaluator, if you will, is single-threaded. 1377524;1453237713;ascii_butugychag;if it is chewing on crapolade, it is not eating the next valid block. 1377525;1453237787;pete_dushenski;sadly, but persistently, this is the case, yes. 1377526;1453238126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232700 @ 0.00056287 = 130.9798 BTC [+] 1377527;1453238147;pete_dushenski;more wapo gold (teeth?) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-parents-wondered-why-school-trips-to-auschwitz-cost-so-much-the-answer-may-be-price-fixing/ 1377528;1453238147;assbot;Israeli parents wondered why school trips to Auschwitz cost so much. The answer may be price-fixing. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDIRTr ) 1377529;1453238319;pete_dushenski;"Papers that describe harmful effects to animals fed genetically modified (GM) crops are under scrutiny for alleged data manipulation. The leaked findings of an ongoing investigation at the University of Naples in Italy suggest that images in the papers may have been intentionally altered. The leader of the lab that carried out the work there says that there is no substance to this claim. The papers’ findings run c 1377530;1453238319;pete_dushenski; to those of numerous safety tests carried out by food and drug agencies around the world, which indicate that there are no dangers associated with eating GM food." << in still other news, if you don't agree with party line, you're a wrecker. more at 11. 1377531;1453238348;ascii_butugychag;'The allegations of extrajudicial killings are just the latest problem between Wallstrom and Israel, and they are just one of a number of disputes the Swedish foreign minister has found herself embroiled in since entering office in October 2014. Sweden has been pursuing what has been called a "feminist foreign policy" since then – one that has led to notable diplomatic spats with Morocco 1377532;1453238354;ascii_butugychag; and Saudi Arabia.' << wat 1377533;1453238377;ascii_butugychag;again with 'gm food' 1377534;1453238411;ascii_butugychag;about as interesting a category as 'cryptocurrencies' 1377535;1453238423;pete_dushenski;s/gm/transgenic 1377536;1453238429;pete_dushenski;if it makes you feel better 1377537;1453238430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146350 @ 0.00055517 = 81.2491 BTC [-] {3} 1377538;1453238433;ascii_butugychag;mno. 1377539;1453238461;ascii_butugychag;it is mendacious framing. 1377540;1453238479;ascii_butugychag;any and every time it is uttered. 1377541;1453238526;pete_dushenski;aha. http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/14/peter-diamandis-is-a-lab-modified-organism/ 1377542;1453238528;assbot;Peter Diamandis Is A Lab Modified Organism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDJfBp ) 1377543;1453238539;pete_dushenski;"lmo" 1377544;1453238552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212635 @ 0.00054916 = 116.7706 BTC [-] {7} 1377545;1453238564;ascii_butugychag;same issue there 1377546;1453238581;ascii_butugychag;i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide 1377547;1453238613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46465 @ 0.00054771 = 25.4493 BTC [-] 1377548;1453238766;BingoBoingo; i can't walk into a shop and buy 'gmo food', i can buy crud soaked in monsanto herbicide << this 1377549;1453238788;ascii_butugychag;to frame the conversation as being particularly 'about genes' is a deliberate and carefully-constructed memetic gambit by monsanto et al 1377550;1453238875;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1377551;1453238927;ascii_butugychag;the automatic implication is that, e.g., tasteless tomatoes are a-ok so long as they are ~selectively bred~ for truck endurance rather than 'gmo'-d, for instance 1377552;1453238980;ascii_butugychag;the other thing is that the 'gmo' hysterial supports an entire hipster pseudoindustry of 'organic' 1377553;1453238984;ascii_butugychag;*hysteria 1377554;1453238986;mircea_popescu;so would you be happy if we move on from "genetically engineered" to "monsanto engineered" ? 1377555;1453238995;mircea_popescu;really the objection is the particularly inept "technology" used. 1377556;1453239032;ascii_butugychag;it would not especially matter if they had spiffy and reliable technology. 1377557;1453239036;ascii_butugychag;the ~end~ is evil. 1377558;1453239063;ascii_butugychag;the purpose - cheap food at all costs. 1377559;1453239135;ascii_butugychag;as described in an old mircea_popescu article, it is from ~this premise~ that the other atrocities flow 1377560;1453239149;ascii_butugychag;the premise that 'we need cheaper, above all else, food, so that all may eat' 1377561;1453239160;mircea_popescu;yea well. 1377562;1453239171;mircea_popescu;actually im writing an article that's apropos. brb 1377563;1453239178;ascii_butugychag;in that light monsanto is just a devil conjured up by the premise. 1377564;1453239193;ascii_butugychag;it necessarily appears. if not monsanto, then dow chemical, or somebody else. 1377565;1453239353;BingoBoingo;ADM, etc 1377566;1453239442;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: you live in usistan and ~don't~ buy organic fruits&vegetables ? not that 'usda organic' is much to go on, nor that it's readily distinguishable which of the 35 ~other~ organic brands is meaningful, but none of them are worse than "normal", ie. tasteless tomatoes 1377567;1453239485;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: i sure as fuck buy. but also understand that i am stuck paying for voodoo claptrap at the same time as the reduced poison, you cannot bid for them separately 1377568;1453239501;ascii_butugychag;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260587 1377569;1453239501;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:38:03; asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop 1377570;1453239517;ascii_butugychag;or rather, starting with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 1377571;1453239517;assbot;Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones 1377572;1453239558;ascii_butugychag;i can buy 'organic' veggies, but it is MANDATORILY in a shop that also sells homeopathic cures. 1377573;1453239564;pete_dushenski;market for rich folks isn't infinitely deep, what. 1377574;1453239571;ascii_butugychag;(except for when the farmer's market is in season) 1377575;1453239600;pete_dushenski;it's like whining that eizo doesn't make 40" vertical monitors with 1mm bezels 1377576;1453239617;pete_dushenski;and 600 dpi. b&w 1377577;1453239639;ascii_butugychag;nah more like whining that one can't get 400 dpi panel except from crapple 1377578;1453239644;ascii_butugychag;which happens to be, afaik, true 1377579;1453239658;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: normal grocery store doesn't sell organic veggies in dc ??! 1377580;1453239672;pete_dushenski;this is sop here. even cut-cost grocers. 1377581;1453239688;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: they sometimes ~claim~ to, and it tastes like shit 1377582;1453239703;pete_dushenski;aha. there's that too, yes. 1377583;1453239705;ascii_butugychag;i'm talking about actual, vs. claimed. 1377584;1453239724;pete_dushenski;;;tslb 1377585;1453239726;gribble;Time since last block: 37 seconds 1377586;1453239731;ascii_butugychag;this is the other thing, why should i give A FUCK about PROVENANCE 1377587;1453239744;pete_dushenski;?????! 1377588;1453239746;ascii_butugychag;when all i care about is taste and poison - the latter is objectively quantifiable 1377589;1453239756;ascii_butugychag;provenance is a proxy for physical fact 1377590;1453239761;ascii_butugychag;i'm not buying rembrandts 1377591;1453239767;pete_dushenski;what kind of fucking anti-wot thinking is that ?! 1377592;1453239776;pete_dushenski;nihil fit ex nihilo 1377593;1453239784;ascii_butugychag;think about it 1377594;1453239800;ascii_butugychag;if it were possible to 'replicate' a prime grade tomato, for the cost of mains power, would you eat it ? 1377595;1453239806;ascii_butugychag;i would. 1377596;1453239820;pete_dushenski;how do you intend to determine lack of poison w/o provenance exactly ? 1377597;1453239828;ascii_butugychag;with a gc/ms ? 1377598;1453239833;pete_dushenski;? 1377599;1453239836;ascii_butugychag;perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it. 1377600;1453239844;ascii_butugychag;iirc he specializes in this. 1377601;1453239859;ascii_butugychag;y'know, what dope aficionados do for dope 1377602;1453239868;ascii_butugychag;take a spectrum. 1377603;1453239879;ascii_butugychag;gc, ms, ir, nmr, etc 1377604;1453239897;pete_dushenski;for every tomato.... 1377605;1453239904;ascii_butugychag;who said 'every.' 1377606;1453239910;pete_dushenski;sounds like a make-work project for the slave army you don't have 1377607;1453239939;pete_dushenski;w/o provenance, there is only every. 1377608;1453239949;ascii_butugychag;it would be regardless. because provenance guarantees nothing, the soil in which perfectly traditional tomato grew could have strontium, etc. 1377609;1453239976;ascii_butugychag;and obviously we cannot dispense with provenance. but i must point out that it is a ~proxy~ 1377610;1453239982;ascii_butugychag;rather than the thing actually sought after 1377611;1453239987;ascii_butugychag;does this make sense ? 1377612;1453240119;pete_dushenski;looks to me like you're trying to cleave uncleavables 1377613;1453240137;pete_dushenski;like you want organic spherical carrots made in attic 1377614;1453240158;ascii_butugychag;they are only uncleavables because of tech limitations 1377615;1453240162;ascii_butugychag;rather than philosophically. 1377616;1453240171;pete_dushenski;here we go... 1377617;1453240180;ascii_butugychag;if i could grep a tomato, they would be entirely cleavable. 1377618;1453240191;pete_dushenski;like autonomous cars and benevolent robo-lords ? 1377619;1453240216;danielpbarron;what ascii says about food in d.c. is also true in ct. I must go to the stupid hippy store in which most of the aisles are full of overpriced overhyped nonsense just to get the meat and veggies that actually taste alright and aren't poisoned. At least these hippy stores are frequented by the yoga pants wearing chicks though. The megastores are full of fat zombies; I'd pay extra just to not have to shop around them 1377620;1453240218;jurov;there is no economic incentive for your food controllers not to cheat 1377621;1453240221;ascii_butugychag;i happen to see reasoning about items glued together by happenstance as if they were intrinsically the same, as lame. 1377622;1453240233;pete_dushenski;it's physical reality. it's what it is 1377623;1453240243;pete_dushenski;yes, it has limitations. what of it. 1377624;1453240255;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: it is my particular profession to make cuts in it. 1377625;1453240282;pete_dushenski;this isn't software that you just punch a few letters and delete a few lines and voila, new physical reality 1377626;1453240299;jurov;ascii_butugychag: you need food controllers in your wot.. and then simpler to have producers directly 1377627;1453240309;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: i don't personally 'gm'. at least, not any more. 1377628;1453240310;jurov;how is this solvable by tech? 1377629;1453240322;BingoBoingo;What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground? 1377630;1453240339;ascii_butugychag;jurov: detecting some of the more common adulterants is not hard at all 1377631;1453240369;ascii_butugychag;that you cannot buy a ready instrument for this at the local hardware shop, is a political phenomenon 1377632;1453240374;ascii_butugychag;vs engineering limit 1377633;1453240382;jurov;missing nutrients are equally as big problem as adulterants 1377634;1453240399;jurov;now go try to ennumerate all of them 1377635;1453240422;ascii_butugychag;that's sorta what your mouth is for 1377636;1453240431;ascii_butugychag;it - ordinarily - works. 1377637;1453240478;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: yoga pants chicks are in both kinds of stores here, but i guess our "normal" grocery stores in alberta are fucking deeeelux in 99.999% of the world. the hippie stores here aren't so bad but their staffs are beyond useless and the sanitation is definitely sub-par. 1377638;1453240512;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed. 1377639;1453240532;pete_dushenski;save-on-foods by my place is like the fucking kadewe in berlin 1377640;1453240541;ascii_butugychag;the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want. 1377641;1453240543;jurov;ascii_butugychag: but your tech solution stems from not having to taste everything, or? 1377642;1453240575;jurov;and if you can't detect adulterants, why do you think you can detect all nutrients? 1377643;1453240579;jurov;by taste 1377644;1453240596;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1377645;1453240597;gribble;852928469.657 1377646;1453240602;thestringpuller;"Like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart." << srsly Nolan had some good writing in that movie. 1377647;1453240627;ascii_butugychag;jurov: it's a start. 1377648;1453240630;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: inventor made domes and pills, yes, but 'rhythm method' ? 1377649;1453240657;pete_dushenski;not that 'rhythm method' is anywhere near perfect, but better than 'always is a good time' 1377650;1453240673;ascii_butugychag;aha the 'don't do it when actually horny' method 1377651;1453240678;ascii_butugychag;mega-tech. 1377652;1453240678;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377590 << for cheese i care. 1377653;1453240678;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 21:42:41; ascii_butugychag: i'm not buying rembrandts 1377654;1453240685;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, for women, too. 1377655;1453240697;mircea_popescu;no matter how she looks, ceteris paribus an usian girl is worth less than a russian girl. 1377656;1453240701;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1377657;1453240724;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: but it is because of the cockroaches in her head 1377658;1453240733;ascii_butugychag;rather than the mere fact of which continent. 1377659;1453240743;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377599 << this is rank nonsense. "list all the things that aren't in this box" 1377660;1453240743;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 21:43:56; ascii_butugychag: perhaps i'll hire PeterL to do it. 1377661;1453240751;mircea_popescu;you can't even list them, you're gonna test for them too ? 1377662;1453240767;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: fortunately the question is never about the set of ~all possible~ things 1377663;1453240770;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag even if grown exactly the same in every way, which is what ceteris paribus means 1377664;1453240771;ascii_butugychag;but specific persilences 1377665;1453240774;ascii_butugychag;*pestilences 1377666;1453240778;mircea_popescu;not specific, is the problem. 1377667;1453240785;mircea_popescu;1940 list wouldn't include thaliomide. 1377668;1453240801;ascii_butugychag;was speaking of produce 1377669;1453240802;mircea_popescu;they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease, 1377670;1453240806;mircea_popescu;spread of all things through root canals 1377671;1453240814;mircea_popescu;(the tools aren't disinfected to that standard) 1377672;1453240823;ascii_butugychag;uncle al had a piece on this 1377673;1453240823;mircea_popescu;so... you don't know. 1377674;1453240825;ascii_butugychag;circa 1990s 1377675;1453240843;*;danielpbarron has never had a cavity or tooth pulled :D 1377676;1453240853;ascii_butugychag;but yes, discussion was ~specifically~ re: known adulterants 1377677;1453240865;mircea_popescu;i'd take provenance over "known list" 1377678;1453240874;mircea_popescu;because i know a lot more about a clean spot than you';ll know about your list. 1377679;1453240881;mircea_popescu;"my folk lived here 2400 years" 1377680;1453240883;mircea_popescu;beat that. 1377681;1453240903;ascii_butugychag;i can think of a few very gamma-backgroundy places where 'my folk lived 2400 y' 1377682;1453240921;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the argument is made. now it's a matter of quantification. 1377683;1453240989;jurov;ascii_butugychag: do you approach this way the software you're going to use too? just check for known adulterants? 1377684;1453241016;ascii_butugychag;jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ? 1377685;1453241037;jurov;same with food 1377686;1453241043;deedbot-;[Trilema] That's right, time to move on. Please do. Bitcoin is really not for you. - http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/ 1377687;1453241077;ascii_butugychag;seems like nobody grasped the actual point i was trying to make - where the provenance is a means to an end (clean tomato) rather than the end 1377688;1453241102;ascii_butugychag;but i can't think of any reason why anyone should give a fuck re: the difference presently, so count me as sold 1377689;1453241110;mircea_popescu; jurov: that would be hilariously stupid ? << loller. 1377690;1453241112;jurov;i did grasp it but, that's why i asked about software 1377691;1453241116;mircea_popescu;but alfie! MITIGATITS! 1377692;1453241129;ascii_butugychag;thing is, ascertaining anything useful about software is undecidable 1377693;1453241144;jurov;same with food, again 1377694;1453241146;mircea_popescu;you think too highly of chem analytics. also undecidable. 1377695;1453241176;ascii_butugychag;depends, again, what you're looking for (specific item, or general toxicology - which ~is~ undecidable) 1377696;1453241194;mircea_popescu;are you looking for working software or merely software that never croaks on like 666 ? 1377697;1453241208;ascii_butugychag;i once tried to get a few american biochemists interested in a portable tox panel for mushrooms 1377698;1453241210;mircea_popescu;on line * 1377699;1453241216;ascii_butugychag;idea went, unsurprisingly, nowhere 1377700;1453241223;mircea_popescu;what american goes shrooming ? 1377701;1453241226;ascii_butugychag;none. 1377702;1453241234;mircea_popescu;old women where the fall colors are pretty do. 1377703;1453241238;ascii_butugychag;and the only folks who'd show up would be the predatory lawyers 1377704;1453241239;mircea_popescu;they... also know the shrooms. 1377705;1453241244;ascii_butugychag;waiting for an erring sapper 1377706;1453241253;pete_dushenski;http://samuelrpatterson.com/line-by-line-response-to-wapo-r-i-p-bitcoin-article/ << like a redditardo version of latest trilema. lulzy to compare the two. 1377707;1453241254;assbot;Line by Line Response to WaPo “R.I.P. Bitcoin” Article | Samuel R. Patterson ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2iXye ) 1377708;1453241268;mircea_popescu;who's the guy ? 1377709;1453241338;pete_dushenski;"I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I’m an author and tech enthusiast. Most of my passion is dedicated to Bitcoin and other emerging technologies that have the potential to dramatically improve people’s lives." << website lists pgp key too. self-hosted an everythin 1377710;1453241358;pete_dushenski;though, "Version: GnuPG v2.0.21-beta20 (MingW32)" 1377711;1453241370;BingoBoingo; what american goes shrooming ? << Plenty. How else does one get Morels??? 1377712;1453241380;mircea_popescu;aha. 1377713;1453241395;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so mebbe invite him over. 1377714;1453241401;mircea_popescu;at least guy's tryin'... 1377715;1453241407;pete_dushenski;totally. 1377716;1453241480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00056016 = 18.1772 BTC [+] {3} 1377717;1453241523;ascii_butugychag;MingW32 << l0l!! 1377718;1453241585;mircea_popescu;every time i see that i think "wh othe fuck would use gw-basic" 1377719;1453241599;mircea_popescu;then head goes "no mp, that's a different unusable contondent item\" 1377720;1453241611;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: s/plain/plane 1377721;1453241647;ascii_butugychag;or hm, nm, i hallucinated it 1377722;1453241649;phf;probably not a manual build, just stock gnupg win32 builds are done with ming? 1377723;1453241688;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think 1377724;1453241822;mircea_popescu;oh that. 1377725;1453241824;mircea_popescu;myeah. k 1377726;1453241841;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag huh ?! 1377727;1453241855;mircea_popescu;ah ok. i was about to scream @editor for missing one AGAIN. but no! 1377728;1453241858;mircea_popescu;i was scammed! 1377729;1453241859;pete_dushenski;go figure that mingw32 key block ~doesn't import~. ferfuxsake. 1377730;1453241872;danielpbarron;i used to hang out on the shroomery irc server; even met some of them in person 1377731;1453241875;pete_dushenski;key block hosted at mit, does. 1377732;1453242062;phf;pete_dushenski: copy paste from that site imports just fine 1377733;1453242273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00056078 = 27.9381 BTC [+] {2} 1377734;1453242318;pete_dushenski;phf: weird. anyways, invite sent. 1377735;1453242556;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Radeon Refresh Gets Shrink To 14 nm" < don't you mean shrunk ? 1377736;1453243443;thestringpuller;wow these people LOVE welfare: https://bitcoinclassic.com/adopt.html 1377737;1453243710;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "Shrink" is a noun in this context 1377738;1453243781;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think << But also people who want to eat delicious morels 1377739;1453243881;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "the toomim clown received some bad news, with which he coped in the usual manner : by having a rather amusing public meltdown under the influence." << what are you referencing here? Can't seem to find reference in logs 1377740;1453243950;mircea_popescu;oh 1377741;1453244043;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's in the comment section of the linked article. adlai linked the dpaste iirc here. 1377742;1453244049;mircea_popescu;!up toffoo 1377743;1453244100;mats;http://deedbot.org/deed-393913-1.txt << says 'January the 18th 2014,\nBitcoin blockchain # 393903' 1377744;1453244101;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QcBpkS ) 1377745;1453244102;pete_dushenski;is it just me or is the new trilema header just a big black hole ? 1377746;1453244104;mircea_popescu;" To show our appreciation, Bitcoin Classic is announcing the Adopt-A-Developer program. The community can sponsor their favorite Bitcoin developers at our website. " 1377747;1453244120;mircea_popescu;what is this inept bs! "to show our appreciation for other people, you can now buy our shit!" 1377748;1453244125;pete_dushenski;mats: it's in the logs 1377749;1453244131;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: https://archive.is/p8Lyo 1377750;1453244132;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QcBrt1 ) 1377751;1453244137;mircea_popescu;mats i added one the wrong way! 1377752;1453244213;*;mircea_popescu has spent his time teaching womenz to cook salmon right, and french fries, and also crimp cables and so on. for this /me gets to sit here and enjoy the view. 1377753;1453244225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51320 @ 0.00055437 = 28.4503 BTC [-] {2} 1377754;1453244229;mircea_popescu;lyf is swyt. 1377755;1453244279;BingoBoingo;"p2phash [10:04 PM] got to be a bot." << lol, this is why bongs get people busted or USG-Agentified 1377756;1453244312;thestringpuller;poor tommy chong. although he was treated very well in prison 1377757;1453244342;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377629 << i am now growing lovage. by all signs, thisis the first time the deliciouys weed made it to argentina. 1377758;1453244342;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 21:52:02; BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground? 1377759;1453244348;mircea_popescu;no idea how zee germans lived without. 1377760;1453244357;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1377761;1453244390;BingoBoingo;And actual tomatoes never travel well, which ought to drive growing one's own 1377762;1453244396;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377638 << you pick examples close to our heart. 1377763;1453244396;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 21:55:12; ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed. 1377764;1453244571;*;BingoBoingo supposes it is masochism that keeps alf trading web dev in enjoyable real food pickup truck US and instead suffering east coast living to do not so brain killing mathsmaths 1377765;1453244611;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1377766;1453244613;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: this is gold. 1377767;1453244623;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: wai wut 1377768;1453244692;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377762 << it is how i see the role of the inventor. sex ad libitum goes with horde of offsprint, ~until doesn't~; being 50 goes with no longer able to read, until it doesn't; night goes with can't-make-the-slaves-work, until doesn't; etc 1377769;1453244692;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 22:59:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377638 << you pick examples close to our heart. 1377770;1453244699;mircea_popescu;!up SamPatt 1377771;1453244713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132403 @ 0.00056131 = 74.3191 BTC [+] {4} 1377772;1453244718;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Earlier this week rando company in trenton, IL was advertising php developer job@75k in buy house for 50kilodollar country 1377773;1453244736;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1377774;1453244743;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: you understand that it also goes with fungibility, right ? 1377775;1453244744;pete_dushenski;o hey SamPatt 1377776;1453244750;mircea_popescu;i'd ALMOST pay that much to make alf php 1377777;1453244754;SamPatt;hello pete_dushenski 1377778;1453244769;pete_dushenski;SamPatt: thanks for accepting the invitation :) 1377779;1453244769;SamPatt;Thanks for the invite 1377780;1453244773;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Fungability for people willing to both PHP and pickup truck country, still job appears filled 1377781;1453244783;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: aha, of course filled ! 1377782;1453244784;mircea_popescu;SamPatt ah you the guy with a blog and a proper pgp key on it ? 1377783;1453244796;ascii_butugychag;today with mr. today, tomorrow with mr. tomorrow, etc 1377784;1453244805;mircea_popescu;aww 1377785;1453244812;BingoBoingo;Was on Dice.com at "Jim's Formal Wear" 1377786;1453244813;mircea_popescu;this should be a sketch. 1377787;1453244814;SamPatt;Yes, "proper key" I see my Win32 wasn't terribly impressive to some, haha 1377788;1453244819;mircea_popescu;lol.\ 1377789;1453244834;SamPatt;I've been on quite the learning curve the past few years. 1377790;1453244844;pete_dushenski;heh we have some, how shall we call them, purists in the room. 1377791;1453244867;pete_dushenski;SamPatt: had you heard of #b-a before today ? 1377792;1453244882;SamPatt;Well I've gone a bit down the rabbit hole myself after being involved more in Bitcoin and OpenBazaar 1377793;1453244885;SamPatt;No I haven't 1377794;1453244891;mircea_popescu;now ima have to go read this guy's article. 1377795;1453244893;mircea_popescu;i blame pete. 1377796;1453244903;pete_dushenski;:P 1377797;1453244908;thestringpuller;wtf is this Slack shit. 1377798;1453244921;thestringpuller;IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!? 1377799;1453244922;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi 1377800;1453244928;SamPatt;What's the goal of this channel? 1377801;1453244937;thestringpuller;to take over the world 1377802;1453244947;pete_dushenski;SamPatt: quite simply, this is where bitcoin policy is set 1377803;1453244954;mircea_popescu;"Vivek Wadhwa is an American technology entrepreneur and academic.[2] He is a fellow at the Rock Center for Corporate Governance (a joint initiative of Stanford Law School and Stanford Graduate School of Business); A Distinguished Fellow of Policy & Research at Singularity University; the Director of Research at the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering, Duke Univ 1377804;1453244954;mircea_popescu;ersity;[3] and the author of the 2014 book Innovating Women: The Changing Face of Technology.[4][5]" 1377805;1453244956;mircea_popescu;awww! 1377806;1453244974;mircea_popescu;check it out, another one! 1377807;1453244984;ascii_butugychag;singul0l 1377808;1453244994;ascii_butugychag;a thiel catamite, a whole one, no less 1377809;1453245002;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377798 <<< basically yes 1377810;1453245002;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:41; thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!? 1377811;1453245015;mircea_popescu;SamPatt "Fighting for survival means that Bitcoin is nearing collapse. It may not survive if people dont keep fighting for it. This is a strong claim; lets see if he follows this up with any evidence." << a more important point would be... fighting with WHOM ? 1377812;1453245048;mircea_popescu;"It is true that a prominent member of the Bitcoin community quit, leading to a 10% drop in Bitcoin price. " << quite untrue. why not propose that random derp nobody took seriously quitting lead to the turmoil on chinese stock market ? 1377813;1453245055;mircea_popescu;maybe it was all because of hearn!!1 1377814;1453245059;pete_dushenski;SamPatt: aside from that, #b-a is a forum for news, debate, development, and light lulz. 1377815;1453245061;SamPatt;Yes, it's a good point. He's not clear about who is fighting, about what, or why. 1377816;1453245115;SamPatt;I didn't want to make it a "Is Hearn a core dev or not?" blog post, but just gave him the point on that. I do later say it's a non-event, because in the grand scheme I agree it wasn't important. 1377817;1453245133;mircea_popescu;"Who are these anarchists and what are they doing? " << oho. 1377818;1453245140;SamPatt;haha 1377819;1453245146;*;SamPatt chuckles 1377820;1453245149;mircea_popescu;!s insurection 1377821;1453245150;assbot;5 results for 'insurection' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=insurection 1377822;1453245156;mircea_popescu;o, 5, not even that bad. 1377823;1453245162;BingoBoingo;!s Oregon Liberation 1377824;1453245163;assbot;2 results for 'Oregon Liberation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Oregon+Liberation 1377825;1453245176;mircea_popescu;SamPatt "Bitcoin isnt a ponzi scheme by any stretch of the imagination. Ponzi schemes are fraud; there is no real investment taking place. Bitcoin is a real thing, used around the world constantly." << this makes no sense. 1377826;1453245187;mircea_popescu;stamps are also "a real thing". original ponzi was a stamps deal. 1377827;1453245247;SamPatt;Ponzi schemes are just fraud, there's nothing of value being done. What I'm trying to get across is that with Bitcoin something of value is actually happening (transactions). 1377828;1453245265;mircea_popescu;anyway, you have more patience than i do, the nth bhagwan chowdhry is really no different from the n-1th 1377829;1453245280;mircea_popescu;SamPatt transactions also happened with the original ponzi. 1377830;1453245291;*;ascii_butugychag bbl. 1377831;1453245418;SamPatt;Only transactions relating to the scheme, correct? Perhaps I'm not familiar with the original scheme itself, but as Ponzi scheme is regularly defined today it's just taking in new money to give returns to older players. There's no transactions occurring except to continue this fraud. 1377832;1453245476;mircea_popescu;but those are in point of fact transactions. 1377833;1453245490;mircea_popescu;you know the excellent "Color of bits" essay ? 1377834;1453245561;copypaste;http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 1377835;1453245585;mircea_popescu;aha 1377836;1453245618;SamPatt;Unless he's proposing that all Bitcoin transactions are only being done to perpetuate further fraud then it's not a ponzi. Since I use Bitcoin for transactions that are for other purposes, it's clearly not ponzi 1377837;1453245642;copypaste;who is arguing that it is in here? 1377838;1453245663;copypaste;or are you just arguing against some strawman opponent SamPatt ? 1377839;1453245673;cazalla;thestringpuller, stay up all night chatting together? sounds gay! :P 1377840;1453245691;copypaste;I prefer having my chats in groups of 3. 1377841;1453245702;SamPatt;Just talking to mircea_popescu 1377842;1453245721;thestringpuller;cazalla: LOL! "Nigga u gay." 1377843;1453245723;mircea_popescu;but you can't distinguish transaction from transaction. what know you of its meaning ? 1377844;1453245761;mircea_popescu;(in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.) 1377845;1453245810;mircea_popescu;arguing with some idiot that said "bitcoin is a ponzi scheme" is a waste of time. the relevant point is that Bitcoin is less of a ponzi scheme than the us dollar is. 1377846;1453245824;cazalla;asciilifeform, pete_dushenski aren't those eizo ev2455 eye strain city with a 60hz refresh rate? prefer 120hz/144hz master race here 1377847;1453245866;pete_dushenski;not at all. 1377848;1453245932;cazalla;ignoring gaming, figured you'd see tearing when scrolling 1377849;1453245979;pete_dushenski;i must scroll too slow. i ~am~ a bit of a turtle. 1377850;1453245983;pete_dushenski;!up buZz 1377851;1453245989;buZz;hi :) 1377852;1453246001;copypaste;cazalla: "smooth scrolling" is an abomination 1377853;1453246012;pete_dushenski;buZz: howdy. and who might you be ? 1377854;1453246024;buZz;i am me 1377855;1453246034;cazalla;copypaste, why so? it annoys me and hurts muh eyes 1377856;1453246078;copypaste;i think you answered your own question just now, no ? 1377857;1453246104;buZz;just weirdly found #bitcoin-assets logs in a images.google search on 'zipit z2 size comparison' 1377858;1453246116;buZz;this channel is the source of the first pr0n in that image search 1377859;1453246122;cazalla;copypaste, how so? i see the tearing on anything less than 120hz, still can see it on 120hz but isn't as noticable 1377860;1453246138;pete_dushenski;buZz: bwahahaha. that's awesome. 1377861;1453246142;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron here's a lulzy bit : all these schmucks worried about "scaling bitcoin" could, for the price of a gpg key, make themselves an eulora account. trade bitcoin with everyone instantly for free! 1377862;1453246144;copypaste;ah ha, but tearing shouldn't be seen without smooth scrolling 1377863;1453246151;mircea_popescu;derps not looking for solutions, looking for handouts. 1377864;1453246157;*;danielpbarron nods 1377865;1453246159;buZz;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353403 1377866;1453246159;assbot;Logged on 26-12-2015 00:38:33; okcupidslut: https://36.media.tumblr.com/74d1486c81d76777ab0c38070f89d6bf/tumblr_nzxw8qDQIj1v0e7i8o1_1280.jpg 1377867;1453246174;buZz;and lo and behold 1377868;1453246175;buZz;16:12:13asciilifeform:punkman, jurov: i have a similar device, 'zipit' 1377869;1453246176;buZz;16:12:50asciilifeform:http://linux.zipitwireless.com 1377870;1453246181;cazalla;copypaste, i'm probably using the wrong word (smooth scrolling) to say what i mean 1377871;1453246208;punkman;buZz: lol 1377872;1453246214;mircea_popescu;lol win. she's got nice tits anyway. 1377873;1453246215;trinque;cazalla: v-sync prolly 1377874;1453246226;cazalla;trinque, nah, it's off 1377875;1453246232;buZz;^_^ i just bought one just looking around 1377876;1453246248;mircea_popescu;sluts drive conversion, who knew! 1377877;1453246277;buZz;i can use another channel to idle in, do you mind? 1377878;1453246280;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'ma bbl. 1377879;1453246295;mircea_popescu;no buZz. if you want to be able to voice register your pgp key with assbot. 1377880;1453246307;mircea_popescu;otherwise idling is free. 1377881;1453246327;shinohai;;;ticker --market all 1377882;1453246329;buZz;why no btc key 1377883;1453246329;punkman;!s zipit 1377884;1453246329;assbot;4 results for 'zipit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zipit 1377885;1453246339;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.3, vol: 6904.79940242 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.9, vol: 6111.80364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 379.81, vol: 16726.88525177 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.88964263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.967905, vol: 39030.35780000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 390.470578175, vol: 74.43725755 | Volume-weighted last average: 384.102345467 1377886;1453246402;buZz;lol cpumining sha256 :) 1377887;1453246446;danielpbarron;can't encrypt messages to a btc key 1377888;1453246452;buZz;danielpbarron: yeah you can 1377889;1453246455;buZz;oh 1377890;1453246459;buZz;wait, no 1377891;1453246462;punkman;can't encrypt to btc address 1377892;1453246463;buZz;only sign 1377893;1453246469;punkman;you can encrypt to key 1377894;1453246506;buZz;but its about authentication right, so even with signature i could proof i am me for i have this address 1377895;1453246516;danielpbarron;and also because not everything needs to be the same thing, and also simply because. 1377896;1453246526;buZz;:) 1377897;1453246545;danielpbarron;it's way easier to authenticate via decryption 1377898;1453246563;pete_dushenski;!up SamPatt 1377899;1453246569;buZz;i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives 1377900;1453246585;buZz;i'll stay pgpless, do as you wish ;) 1377901;1453246593;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz. 1377902;1453246595;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1lsTnER ) 1377903;1453246615;punkman;buZz: why don't you like pgp? 1377904;1453246626;danielpbarron;buZz, s'ok you need to lurk for 6 months anyway; by the end of that you'll either have left or have a key 1377905;1453246713;buZz;punkman: i just dont like to change routine 1377906;1453246760;thestringpuller;slack is so shitty. the logging is completely ineffective. oh and they want you to pay for extra logs? i can't even... 1377907;1453246784;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377901 <<< Ethereum supporters are just plain insufferable. 1377908;1453246784;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:33; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz. 1377909;1453246883;punkman;/me hopes for "P" in 6 months 1377910;1453246894;trinque;^ 1377911;1453246903;pete_dushenski;shinohai: pretty much 1377912;1453246928;pete_dushenski;punkman: do you add a space before '/me' or is your irc client b0rked ? 1377913;1453246942;punkman;I don't 1377914;1453246949;gernika;thestringpuller: I can't fathom slack. There are already a ton of manager friendly centralized IRC services out there. 1377915;1453246953;trinque;/fix punkman 1377916;1453246961;pete_dushenski;heh 1377917;1453247329;punkman;I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool. 1377918;1453247452;linton_s_dawson;I'm looking to research the "v" thing you've bee talking about but searching for the letter "v" in the logs is obviously not working that well. Can anyone point me in the right direction? 1377919;1453247473;thestringpuller;linton_s_dawson: the mailing list 1377920;1453247482;punkman;yes, good point about single character naming of projects 1377921;1453247519;danielpbarron;linton_s_dawson, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin << the instructions here involve using V, and you'll also end up with a working bitcoind 1377922;1453247521;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW ) 1377923;1453247660;linton_s_dawson;I'll read up on that now, thanks. Also, interesting to see you support (or at least are not against) a new PoW that will destroy most miners. 1377924;1453247719;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41risp/m_toomim_gets_high_harasses_developers_on_chat/ 1377925;1453247720;assbot;M Toomim gets high, harasses developers on chat likely violating Heretic Client "code of conduct" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyEeQs ) 1377926;1453247853;jurov;linton_s_dawson: it's kinda obvious since miners don't come here... 1377927;1453247936;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A eulogy : Mike Hearn (2013-16) - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/a-eulogy-mike-hearn-2013-16/ 1377928;1453247956;pete_dushenski;and with that, ima take my leave. cheers ! 1377929;1453248007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50230 @ 0.00056589 = 28.4247 BTC [+] {3} 1377930;1453248697;shinohai;These adorable little coke straws: http://i.imgur.com/wzKHCJ1.jpg 1377931;1453248698;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyFrHB ) 1377932;1453249032;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41ge93/bitcoin_classic_is_possibly_a_takeover_attempt_by/cz2c58a >> "Thirdly, the guy is massively obese. Now, as the sophisticated redditor you presume yourself to be, you may claim that I'm using ad-hominem attacks and will now sit back as if you were a learned professor of Latin, but please consider that anyone as grossly obese as Marshall Long is lacking in self-discipline and self-con 1377933;1453249033;assbot;marshmellow_long comments on Bitcoin Classic is possibly a Takeover Attempt by Cryptsy and Marshall Long of FinalHash to dump Worthless Coins on Depositers ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyFSBP ) 1377934;1453249033;BingoBoingo;trol which just happen to be 2 qualities crucial to being a sound businessman." 1377935;1453249363;BingoBoingo;"They have opted to open a GoFundMe to help fatties get scooters like the one Elizabeth loved so much." >> http://notyourgoodfatty.com/naafa-fat-activist-dies-at-the-age-of-55/ 1377936;1453249365;assbot;NAAFA fat activist dies at the age of 55 - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzO2sI ) 1377937;1453249524;BingoBoingo;Oh, in reddit land Raping the Fugees is fine, but hating on Hamplanets isn't https://www.reddit.com/r/rapefugees 1377938;1453249525;assbot;Rapefugees NOT welcome! ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzOurb ) 1377939;1453249617;shinohai;dafuq is a "Fat Activist" 1377940;1453249634;trinque;certainly not an active fat person 1377941;1453249755;BingoBoingo;lol 1377942;1453249938;BingoBoingo;Seriously though short Tesla and invest in Rascal scooty puffs 1377943;1453250415;punkman;"A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such an affront to freedom that I could not be party to its use under any circumstances whatsoever." -- RMS 1377944;1453250463;cazalla;punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee 1377945;1453250493;punkman;the hard life of the RMS groupie 1377946;1453250590;asciilifeform;y'know, if folks had listened to rms, we might still have actual computers. 1377947;1453250612;asciilifeform;(not that it was remotely conceivable that they would have listened, aha) 1377948;1453250627;BingoBoingo;But "Netflix and chill" is the new "come in for coffee" 1377949;1453250670;punkman;asciilifeform: the *right* folks 1377950;1453250724;punkman;btw does Lemote still make any hardware that don't need blobs? 1377951;1453250746;asciilifeform;it makes ~something~ but it is unobtainable outside cn 1377952;1453250761;asciilifeform;also it switched to using licensed chip masks from the west, a few years back 1377953;1453250770;asciilifeform;which is when i lost what remaining interest i had. 1377954;1453250793;asciilifeform;as for rms, his lemote was stolen, in buenos aires, and - afaik - he was never able to purchase another. 1377955;1453250830;asciilifeform;the thing is a mega-rarity, 'collectible' perhaps at this point, if you come across one, leave it in the crate, sell for $$$$ 1377956;1453250866;asciilifeform;fwiw, AMD's G-series chipset will run without blobs. 1377957;1453250904;asciilifeform;(their 'coreboot' aka linuxbios is distributed with binary turds, BUT the source for them is also included, you just need to set up their weird toolchain) 1377958;1453251161;BingoBoingo;!up drnet 1377959;1453251171;mod6;<+danielpbarron> ;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot << thanks for the heads up 1377960;1453251202;punkman;https://libreboot.org/faq/#amd libreboot faq is handy 1377961;1453251203;assbot;Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about libreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/23dppqG ) 1377962;1453251417;gernika;asciilifeform: does the term "human compiler" reference lisp specifically, in that with lisp you can write code that writes code, thus if you're not using lisp, you're writing code that could have been written by a computer, and are thus "compiling?" 1377963;1453251627;gernika;also for this question, lisp=common lisp 1377964;1453251719;punkman;asciilifeform: any devices with AMD G-series? 1377965;1453251852;asciilifeform;punkman: the pcengines box (at least the ones i have) 1377966;1453251862;asciilifeform;possibly other 'low-end' amd 1377967;1453251867;asciilifeform;but, importantly, 1377968;1453251869;asciilifeform;not for long. 1377969;1453251874;asciilifeform;that much is obvious. 1377970;1453251893;asciilifeform;according to the libreboot link, amd has fully caught up with intel in re: usgtronics. 1377971;1453251912;asciilifeform;gernika: very generally, but yes 1377972;1453252040;asciilifeform;gotta love how the coreboot folks pretend that they are somehow still relevant by way of supporting a handful of unobtainable chips 1377973;1453252044;asciilifeform;(srsly, powerpc !?!!) 1377974;1453252054;punkman;http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-2/ found one 1377975;1453252055;assbot;Gizmo 2 | GizmoSphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8AbNG ) 1377976;1453252063;asciilifeform;punkman: same chipset as in pcengines 1377977;1453252067;asciilifeform;i have a 'gizmo 1' 1377978;1453252082;asciilifeform;these also appeared in some low-end notebooks 1377979;1453252085;punkman;why doesn't libreboot support any g-series? 1377980;1453252132;asciilifeform;iirc it is a 'stable' fork of coreboot 1377981;1453252163;punkman;nah, the difference is they don't allow any blobs 1377982;1453252172;asciilifeform;fwiw the pcengines boards and the 'gizmo' series don't even ship with proprietary bios at all 1377983;1453252175;punkman;maybe nobody's done it yet 1377984;1453252215;asciilifeform;punkman: the g-series coreboot i have here has 'blobs' per the strictest definition, they are - iirc - modify but don't redistribute - licensed by amd 1377985;1453252223;asciilifeform;but came with the src. 1377986;1453252246;asciilifeform;and also they concern acpi, which can be safely ditched if running a sane os 1377987;1453252258;punkman;now if only I could get g-series with ECC I'd be very happy 1377988;1453252270;asciilifeform;punkman: no such thing offered afaik. 1377989;1453252372;asciilifeform;at any rate, i cannot recommend any presently-manufactured x86 chipset except as a 'lesser evil' 1377990;1453252399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64619 @ 0.0005676 = 36.6777 BTC [+] 1377991;1453252401;asciilifeform;x86 is and was a turd, per se 1377992;1453252413;asciilifeform;partly because it is a catastrophically braindamaged design, 1377993;1453252416;asciilifeform;but partly also because: 1377994;1453252419;asciilifeform;where herd, there turd. 1377995;1453252460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25631 @ 0.0005676 = 14.5482 BTC [+] 1377996;1453252739;cazalla;added asciilifeform pub key to my .wot and the keyring on this comp, but http://dpaste.com/1D702ZQ.txt 1377997;1453252740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8AQ1K ) 1377998;1453252758;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1317490 << What did you mean by this? 1377999;1453252794;trinque;cazalla: I recall expired key drama in zee logz; iirc asciilifeform has his actual key hosted on loper-os.org 1378000;1453252797;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is explained in agonizing detail in the logz 1378001;1453252808;asciilifeform;cazalla: where did you get the key ? 1378002;1453252821;asciilifeform;if it is from the original v tarball, that key has an expired selfsig. 1378003;1453252832;cazalla;pgp.mit.edu 1378004;1453252835;asciilifeform;plz get new key from btcalpha or from my site (same modulus, new selfsig) 1378005;1453253041;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ? 1378006;1453253043;assbot;The Act of Killing (2012) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8BeNV ) 1378007;1453253043;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1378008;1453253058;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski, other rare film aficionados ^ 1378009;1453253197;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i ask cause the thread is disjointed. as you once said before !s doesn't show the entire picture 1378010;1453253234;trinque;asciilifeform: hell of a docu 1378011;1453253680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81850 @ 0.00056811 = 46.4998 BTC [+] {2} 1378012;1453254048;mircea_popescu;nope 1378013;1453254567;mircea_popescu;"With that guy you never know if he has some bizarre reason to believe it's currently 2014 and we're all idiots." 1378014;1453254569;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha win. 1378015;1453254572;mircea_popescu;reddit doth deliver. 1378016;1453254595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75708 @ 0.00056895 = 43.0741 BTC [+] {2} 1378017;1453254672;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377899 << i like that too. 1378018;1453254672;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:09; buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives 1378019;1453254746;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << not a bad incremental improvement but i suspect that whole stack is so thoroughly hated it will get thrown out rather than improved. 1378020;1453254746;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool. 1378021;1453254802;mircea_popescu;linton_s_dawson http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ << there's an attempt at a manual. you could also search for vtron and v-tron, alf tens to use it a lot. the mailing list is also a good source. 1378022;1453254803;assbot;The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS ) 1378023;1453254963;punkman;mircea_popescu: which stack? 1378024;1453254971;mircea_popescu;the irc bit. 1378025;1453254977;punkman;it's already out 1378026;1453255112;mircea_popescu;a it is isn't it. yeah. 1378027;1453255145;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed. 1378028;1453255145;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 00:41:03; cazalla: punkman, sounds like george constanza and not liking coffee 1378029;1453255211;punkman;I'll post a python POC to the ml perhaps, could just run it before you start the node and it gives you a bunch of IPs to -addnode or -connect to 1378030;1453255285;mircea_popescu;maybe someone wants to use it, sure. 1378031;1453255294;thestringpuller;pretty sure constanza got mad pussy yo 1378032;1453255298;linton_s_dawson;mircea_popescu Thanks, I'll sign up for the mailing list as well. 1378033;1453255344;mircea_popescu;you can also read it online. there's a link off ofundation website 1378034;1453255399;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << i must point out that the whole 'seeding' concept - as contemplated in the dark ages pre-trb client - is profoundly braindamaged. 1378035;1453255399;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:48:49; punkman: I have a suggestion for an irc-bootstrap replacement in TRB. UDP torrent tracker announce, only takes a couple UDP packets, code's pretty simple. Recent client was using this in a small app, kinda cool. 1378036;1453255409;asciilifeform;it is entirely, thoroughly The Wrong Thing 1378037;1453255421;asciilifeform;and is responsible for many of the present woes. 1378038;1453255445;punkman;suppose I have two dozen nodes on dynamic IP 1378039;1453255447;asciilifeform;the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers 1378040;1453255464;asciilifeform;AND OPTIONALLY - as resources are available - folks who knock on the door. 1378041;1453255466;asciilifeform;IN THAT ORDER. 1378042;1453255473;asciilifeform;and never otherwise. 1378043;1453255482;punkman;I can give you a secret phrase, which if hashed and used as torrent infohash, allows you to get my current IPs from torrent tracker 1378044;1453255494;asciilifeform;why do we need the motherfucking middleman ?!!!!! 1378045;1453255510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00056604 = 25.1888 BTC [-] 1378046;1453255545;asciilifeform;so i will review, for the benefit of non-panzers, the current state 1378047;1453255552;asciilifeform;presently trb does not have this sane behaviour 1378048;1453255573;asciilifeform;it can run in one of two modes, '-connect' where it services a fixed list of peers, AND NOBODY ELSE (no incoming tcp) 1378049;1453255596;asciilifeform;or '-addnode' where it takes a list of peers but 'as mere suggestions' and will happily drop'em, and connect to random derps 1378050;1453255661;asciilifeform;the first mode can be disregarded as it does not result in a public node. it is useful for running hotwallets on your own lan, for running mircea_popescu-style 'dark' nodes over ad hoc vpn with kim jong il, etc. 1378051;1453255701;asciilifeform;the second mode is what all of my trb boxen are set to, and it results in a comedy where the thing routinely drops friends on the floor and dallies about attempting to connect to randomly-selected derp ips 1378052;1453255726;mircea_popescu;prolly next to fix huh 1378053;1453255738;mircea_popescu;tho it's tangled with the whole mempool priority thing 1378054;1453255745;asciilifeform;nope 1378055;1453255747;ben_vulpes;tangled how? 1378056;1453255750;asciilifeform;not really, no 1378057;1453255757;mircea_popescu;how do you know how to value "others" 1378058;1453255764;asciilifeform;easy 1378059;1453255771;asciilifeform;they rank STRICTLY below hand-picked peers. 1378060;1453255778;mircea_popescu;among themselves i mean. 1378061;1453255789;asciilifeform;i am contemplating a strictly 2-tiered hierarchy here. 1378062;1453255791;mircea_popescu;and how much is "strictly" in integers 1378063;1453255804;mircea_popescu;seems to me if gonna do it might as well do it once, but anyway. 1378064;1453255811;asciilifeform;'strictly' means that door-knockers get serviced ONLY when friends are idle. 1378065;1453255818;asciilifeform;i've held off attempting to do anything about this because 'usg can diddle packets arbitrarily, we need gossipd' but there is no particular logic to this. 1378066;1453255820;mircea_popescu;this will never occur. 1378067;1453255826;mircea_popescu;think of how the mempool flows 1378068;1453255878;asciilifeform;gotta quantize the processing. 1378069;1453255894;asciilifeform;i.e. meter resource consumption per peer. 1378070;1453255929;asciilifeform;stray dogs ought to get the crumbs off the table. 1378071;1453255956;mircea_popescu;aha 1378072;1453255958;thestringpuller;looks like trb will have gossipd support? 1378073;1453255972;asciilifeform;what was the mircea_popescu piece, 'carnita, lu' fetita, si osoiul, lu' baboiul' 1378074;1453256002;asciilifeform;(ro dante ?) 1378075;1453256038;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the everybody-is-equal thing is not sustainable 1378076;1453256051;asciilifeform;it has been kept up long past expiration date as it is 1378077;1453256070;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzrxvpG2_Sk 1378078;1453256072;assbot;Taraf de Haïdouks - "Clejani Love Song" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxlYY ) 1378079;1453256073;thestringpuller;is there no manual approach for this process yet? i.e. people sign/deed node ip address. you use -connect flag 1378080;1453256081;asciilifeform;and i dare say that this will become more apparent as 'axe time, sword time' carries on 1378081;1453256094;thestringpuller;-connect/-addnode should make those peers the priority first and drop other nodes second 1378082;1453256110;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: we don't currently have anything like a scheduler 1378083;1453256149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup 1378084;1453256190;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/ 1378085;1453256191;assbot;Carnita... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23dxvzi ) 1378086;1453256202;asciilifeform;but going back up the stack, i want to highlight how retarded the whole seed pool thing is 1378087;1453256211;asciilifeform;what a monument to eeeekvaaaaaality 1378088;1453256215;thestringpuller;does scheduler require gossipd, or could it be based on manually inputted list from user? 1378089;1453256217;asciilifeform;in all of its rancid glory 1378090;1453256237;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: under contemplation here and now is a very basic scheduler. 1378091;1453256341;thestringpuller;ah, the threshold for idling. 1378092;1453256425;ben_vulpes;am i seriously looking at a 1k+ logbacklog? 1378093;1453256477;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha, pretty slow day 1378094;1453256490;ben_vulpes;i guess i can skip the fanthread 1378095;1453256516;ben_vulpes;heh and grep newlines 1378096;1453256521;asciilifeform;who am i to say what ben_vulpes should skip. 1378097;1453256549;*;ben_vulpes impoverished usian, does not even have workstation 1378098;1453256578;*;ben_vulpes lives in box with other people 2m away, even 1378099;1453256651;asciilifeform;well, with pets, aha ? 1378100;1453256664;ben_vulpes;other side of the wall, i mean. 1378101;1453256677;asciilifeform;ah 1378102;1453256678;ben_vulpes;tromping down stairs as i write. 1378103;1453256691;asciilifeform;it sucks mightily, aha 1378104;1453256699;asciilifeform;i escaped from it only recently. 1378105;1453256701;ben_vulpes;adapting to poverty was explicit goal of late twenties though. 1378106;1453256722;asciilifeform;why not invite 14 bums to live in your closets then. 1378107;1453256746;ben_vulpes;pets consume a fixed fraction of income, may as well minimize integral of fraction over the next decade or so. 1378108;1453256760;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: bums don't pay? 1378109;1453256768;asciilifeform;sure as hell 1378110;1453256772;asciilifeform;but you said 'adapt to poverty' 1378111;1453256786;ben_vulpes;well asciilifeform-style overdramatized 'p0vertee' 1378112;1453256822;mircea_popescu;lol this is a style now! 1378113;1453257080;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377122 << miserably impossible with modern browser 1378114;1453257080;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 18:38:30; ascii_butugychag: and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother. 1378115;1453257109;ben_vulpes;unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too 1378116;1453258323;mod6;ok all: http://thebitcoin.foundation website has been updated a bit. 1378117;1453258324;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 ) 1378118;1453258525;mircea_popescu;nice 1378119;1453258545;mod6;ty! 1378120;1453259112;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377799 << curse of the bezzletron 1378121;1453259112;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:42; pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi 1378122;1453259148;ben_vulpes;"writing in languages i hate with people i love to be used by hominids i'd not waste a carrot on" or what was it 1378123;1453259268;ben_vulpes;there's something about working nearly alone as a sniper versus together with some people you don't really hate all that much as fuel convoy unit 1378124;1453259280;asciilifeform;mod6: very spiffy 1378125;1453259292;mod6;thx alf 1378126;1453259346;asciilifeform;mod6: consider refreshing http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html plox 1378127;1453259347;assbot;VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1378128;1453259488;mod6;its on the list, probably will when this latest thing is done. 1378129;1453259625;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378115 << how's that ? 1378130;1453259625;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 02:31:49; ben_vulpes: unless you want to make all os widgets take up vastly more space too 1378131;1453259644;asciilifeform;and here i thought they actually had 100% relative coordinates ? 1378132;1453259661;asciilifeform;(e.g., line thicknesses specified as % of screen size, etc) 1378133;1453259781;mircea_popescu;no wai ?! 1378134;1453259781;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: your choices are to either diddle screen rez or 'zoom' on browser, non? 1378135;1453259795;asciilifeform;the latter - typically ~works~ 1378136;1453259817;ben_vulpes;typically, and sort of. 1378137;1453259857;ben_vulpes;lol bitcoin classic on slack 1378138;1453259862;ben_vulpes;why do i even read this shit 1378139;1453259913;asciilifeform;... to fall asleep ?? 1378140;1453259953;ben_vulpes;that's what gibson and pynchon and heller are for 1378141;1453259956;ben_vulpes;and blowjobs 1378142;1453260069;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, people updated the coffee wheel: http://images.food52.com/qBXzPyzi3HfbetOfl2hlyAD27xg=/fit-in/800x0/89ba51e4-860b-4d4e-b692-e19b15e224d4--SCAA_FlavorWheel.01.18.15.jpg 1378143;1453260070;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SvJd4D ) 1378144;1453260101;asciilifeform;this...exists/!!! 1378145;1453260130;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform...is surprised? 1378146;1453260153;mircea_popescu;"The situation has evolved. XT unfortunately didn't get the momentum that it should have had thanks to endless FUD/threats/censorship/ddosing etc" 1378147;1453260159;mircea_popescu;ahahaha THE SITUATION HAS EVOLVED. 1378148;1453260166;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform...lives in dc, probably thinks coffee comes in "burnt" and "not" 1378149;1453260171;ben_vulpes;wine in "red" and "white 1378150;1453260221;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the 'not' is only available in one's own kitchen 1378151;1453260229;asciilifeform;and only if you fry own beans 1378152;1453260247;phf;as opposed to "artisanal" and "bespoken" as they differentiate things in portland 1378153;1453260255;mircea_popescu;zing. 1378154;1453260270;mircea_popescu;someone's been drinking from kako's coffee mug. 1378155;1453260299;asciilifeform;at $firm they have something like 7 ~different~ devices for making coffee. 1378156;1453260336;asciilifeform;one of which is a frightening industrial thing that takes 'ammo' and is plumbed straight into the standpipe 1378157;1453260344;asciilifeform;(you load it like a cannon) 1378158;1453260383;asciilifeform;the rest are 'artisanal' kettles of various shapes and types, much glass, many small parts 1378159;1453260512;ben_vulpes;you guys live in fucking zimbabwe 1378160;1453260533;ben_vulpes;there is no artisanal anything, there are just a bunch of hipsters competing to roast beans well 1378161;1453260567;ben_vulpes;and no you cannot roast them in your kitchen because you can't get the good shit because you don't buy by the teu 1378162;1453260568;ben_vulpes;wtf 1378163;1453260582;asciilifeform;aha prolly not 1378164;1453260584;*;asciilifeform hasn't tried. 1378165;1453260598;ben_vulpes;just takes a paint drying gun and some practice 1378166;1453260606;*;ben_vulpes knows the guy who invented the field-roasting technique 1378167;1453260685;ben_vulpes;'not' also available in my office, which i suppose doesn't count because also 'my kitchen' 1378168;1453260704;*;ben_vulpes bought a new clever and a new kettle for the new staffers today to parallelize the coffee production 1378169;1453260747;ben_vulpes;https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable 1378170;1453260748;assbot;Attention Required! | CloudFlare ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6Eol ) 1378171;1453260751;asciilifeform;http://huel.com << related. 1378172;1453260752;assbot;Huel | Nutritionally Complete Powdered Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq6EEA ) 1378173;1453260767;asciilifeform;^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') 1378174;1453260817;asciilifeform;'Why we need Huel? We are in the middle of a food crisis. Modern food production methods are inefficient, inhumane, and unsustainable. The world produces 1.5 times enough food to feed every person on the planet, yet over 800 million people do not have enough food to eat. .... On top of that Britons are getting fatter and more unhealthy ...' 1378175;1453260834;asciilifeform;sooo turns out that mircea_popescu was right about pretty much everything... 1378176;1453260868;ben_vulpes;what now, peers and mempool? 1378177;1453260909;asciilifeform;nah, the part where we get to die while eating (or not getting quite enough of) gloop. 1378178;1453260978;ben_vulpes;what we 1378179;1453260990;asciilifeform;i & the other inmates 1378180;1453261016;asciilifeform;and anybody else who falls in. 1378181;1453261087;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378169 << i think we have this on the grounds ! but it was of glass 1378182;1453261087;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 03:32:27; ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable 1378183;1453261122;mircea_popescu;lol 1378184;1453261129;mircea_popescu;you been saying that a lot lately. 1378185;1453261187;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you'd have a simple pour-over, not an immersion hybrid. 1378186;1453261199;asciilifeform;incidentally i'd actually rather have a plastic flask than one of faux pyrex 1378187;1453261204;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: do please link 1378188;1453261214;asciilifeform;(the brand 'pyrex' now refers to NON-BOROSILICATE!!11111 glass!11) 1378189;1453261224;mircea_popescu;!s was right 1378190;1453261224;assbot;682 results for 'was right' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=was+right 1378191;1453261225;asciilifeform;yes, it is now able to crack under thermal stress 1378192;1453261227;ben_vulpes;it is a /brand/ name 1378193;1453261247;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha. ~actual~ borosilicate pyrex is extinct now, outside of a lab 1378194;1453261249;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ah i see 1378195;1453261276;ben_vulpes;https://mentalfloss.atavist.com/secrets-of-the-mit-poker-course << intriqued to hear what the poker afficionados have to say 1378196;1453261278;assbot;Secrets of the MIT Poker Course ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kq73qM ) 1378197;1453261315;ben_vulpes;ahahaha 1378198;1453261316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not-from-a-good-life, i was forced to leave my damaged capsule, suit up, and go to the merciless, meteorite-pocked surface where mircea_popescu was right ! 1378199;1453261320;asciilifeform;in every crater ! 1378200;1453261328;mircea_popescu;cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ? 1378201;1453261349;ben_vulpes;from the bikeportland followup: "Hagg said he thinks the solution to problems like that is to drive troublemakers away." << even the motherfucking /bums/ know that you have to drive the worthless fucks off if anyone's to have a decent party. 1378202;1453261374;mircea_popescu;what do you mean even. only the bums know. 1378203;1453261436;asciilifeform;next up: tricks of the Doom masters. 1378204;1453261497;*;asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this' 1378205;1453261564;mircea_popescu;:D 1378206;1453261565;mircea_popescu;apt. 1378207;1453261635;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378200 << very respectable former su prof of physics, teaching at a certain mega-uni in boston, once informed me that the typical 'attention span' of american undergrad is about 6 min. 1378208;1453261635;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 03:42:08; mircea_popescu: cheapo if desperate trick to get imbecile white ustards to sit still almost enough so a vague polish of calculus can be transferred to their pudgy skins ? 1378209;1453261655;asciilifeform;can take this, or leave it. 1378210;1453261667;mircea_popescu;i was half hoping hearn would get together with the bitcoin wife and that impossibly named, horsefaced washington staffer chick and create a hot love triangle of "How I created Bitcoin successfully, a guide" "Level your DB" etc. 1378211;1453261691;mircea_popescu;all bestsellers, show up on regis and what's the cunt's name, the whole nine miles. 1378212;1453261718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not enough for a single block even. 1378213;1453261802;asciilifeform;aha. 1378214;1453261807;phf; не веришь, прими за сказку 1378215;1453261814;asciilifeform;^ 1378216;1453261864;asciilifeform;сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r) 1378217;1453261989;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378027 << i shit thee not, personally knew a chick who wanked to rms but - afaik - never mustered the courage to write to him 1378218;1453261989;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 01:59:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1377944 << it is possible rms never sexed. 1378219;1453262008;asciilifeform;so it is conceivable 1378220;1453262013;asciilifeform;perhaps rms relies on... bees ? 1378221;1453262031;asciilifeform;for pollination. 1378222;1453262255;phf;so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt 1378223;1453262279;asciilifeform;i have heard these same legends. 1378224;1453262316;asciilifeform;though, according to the man's autobio material, he was a 'square' in the 1960s 1378225;1453262326;asciilifeform;physics student with 'horn glasses' etc. 1378226;1453262337;asciilifeform;no political acts at all. 1378227;1453262365;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1378228;1453262403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.00056526 = 36.3462 BTC [-] {3} 1378229;1453263006;BingoBoingo; ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd') << /me does breakfast as powder 1378230;1453263037;phf;sick gains 1378231;1453263146;BingoBoingo;Well, need the caffeine from instant coffee mixed in to have the energy to make a pot of brewed coffee 1378232;1453263217;BingoBoingo;It's also not like I can go into the yard and pluck a tomatoe for breakfast in the middle of winter 1378233;1453263473;*;BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online 1378234;1453263824;phf;i know a few aa people, seems like it helped them to get their drinking under control 1378235;1453263867;BingoBoingo;It seems to work better for some people than others. 1378236;1453264004;phf;i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset 1378237;1453264074;BingoBoingo;Eh, he's also weighing it against the alternative. 1378238;1453264110;BingoBoingo;Some people, like prolly myself, prolly really shouldn't be drinking. 1378239;1453264148;BingoBoingo;At least not in American society as it is presently structured 1378240;1453264178;BingoBoingo;But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker 1378241;1453264317;phf;i agree, for all the jokes about russian vodka, this is a country of functioning alcoholics, with no outlet. 1378242;1453264401;phf;9-5, couple of beers to wind down, friday evening everyone gets shit faced at a bar, year after year. 1378243;1453264432;phf;combined with sedentary lifestyle.. 1378244;1453264465;danielpbarron;http://www.atruechurch.info/aa.html >> A.A. admits they have no cure, but that's because they are under the delusion that there isn't one. 1378245;1453264466;assbot;A True Church - Alcoholics Anonymous ... ( http://bit.ly/1UayU3A ) 1378246;1453264538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80661 @ 0.00056059 = 45.2177 BTC [-] {2} 1378247;1453264668;BingoBoingo;Given the demographic, I doubt the 12 steps could help very many alcoholics and addicts if they were stictly remade in A True Church (TM)(R) 1378248;1453264681;mats;rofl 1378249;1453264703;mats;>But I was born too late to be a Viking beserker 1378250;1453264806;danielpbarron;nobody can be helped if God hasn't created them for the purpose of being helped. 1378251;1453264830;BingoBoingo;Maybe at some point a few people can graduate from AA to A True Church, but atm I am happy with the job Brodin the Allspotter is doing as my higher power. Wheymen. 1378252;1453265011;BingoBoingo;Anyways in Chapter 5 of the Big Book "How It Works" they mention the goal is spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection. 1378253;1453265019;mats;can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it 1378254;1453265038;danielpbarron;it's a false spirit, one that doesn't save 1378255;1453265109;BingoBoingo;Bill W's ibogaine trip in the hospital seemed to work enoug to get the ball rolling. 1378256;1453265209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93400 @ 0.00055675 = 52.0005 BTC [-] {2} 1378257;1453265351;ben_vulpes;wheymen 1378258;1453265358;danielpbarron;>> The influence of the A.A. society has been massive and widespread. A.A. cooperates with a large variety of groups which includes the U. S. court system. Judges often order people to be involved in A.A. as a part of a rehabilitation effort. 1378259;1453265385;BingoBoingo;The courts system is more inflicted upon AA. 1378260;1453265495;BingoBoingo;People sent by the courts often aren't ready for step 1 and many times violate the criteria for membership by not having a desire to quit drinking as outlined in tradition 3. 1378261;1453265533;danielpbarron;>> 12. - And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance. 1378262;1453265646;BingoBoingo;Or course AA was Anons before chantards were. "Principles before Personalities" 1378263;1453265666;BingoBoingo;Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces. 1378264;1453265686;danielpbarron;but they are anon for the exact same reason >> They keep it anonymous, because they are evil and they do not want themselves and their evil deeds to be exposed, as it is written, Everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (John 3:20) 1378265;1453265815;BingoBoingo;It is written in the Big Book "Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not saints. The point is, that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection." page 60 1378266;1453266141;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1378267;1453266149;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 376.26, vol: 9283.33253127 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.838, vol: 5714.56935 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 381.31, vol: 19090.40775517 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 356.88, vol: 1.15686788 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.83056, vol: 38619.08910000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 387.807, vol: 73.5997454 | Volume-weighted last average: 382.660080494 1378268;1453266233;*;ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats 1378269;1453266239;BingoBoingo;lol 1378270;1453266256;phf;i've literally just made popcorn 1378271;1453266258;trinque;hail satan 1378272;1453266391;danielpbarron;either you are a liar claiming to believe in a false god that you know doesn't really exist, or you actually believe in the false god. In either case, your "spiritual progress" is not towards the truth but rather a damning lie. 1378273;1453266444;BingoBoingo;There's a difference between searching to stay out of the next life and trying to get to not dying in this one. p44 chapter 4 "We Agnostics" But it isn't so difficult. About half our original fellowship were of exactly that type. At first some of us tried to avoid the issue, hoping against hope we were not true alcoholics. But after a while we had to face the fact that we must find a spiritual basis of life - or else. Perhaps it i 1378274;1453266444;BingoBoingo;s going to be that way with you. But cheer up, something like half of us thought we were atheists or agnostics. Our experience shows that you need not be disconcerted." 1378275;1453266569;BingoBoingo;But, for srs. If I go back to drinking as I did it's only a matter of time before my portal vein blows out. 1378276;1453266615;ben_vulpes;hail brodin 1378277;1453266633;BingoBoingo;In the battle between living to see socialist stomped and drinking as I please... sober relflection demands I do the former instead of the later. 1378278;1453266666;danielpbarron;or you might find the truth >> Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart. 1378279;1453266669;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: it's a particular reprogramming that doesn't have much to do with the bible. 1378280;1453266715;ben_vulpes;abdicating choice to someone/something that is "not you" lies at the heart of the thing. 1378281;1453266720;phf;that's the sensible perspective, but i take it there's an ideological bad blood. this is not first time i've seen christian attack aa. 1378282;1453266727;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: have you ever spent much time with the twelve steppers? 1378283;1453266739;danielpbarron;no 1378284;1453266744;ben_vulpes;so leave off 1378285;1453266751;danielpbarron;alcohol has never been my poison 1378286;1453266755;ben_vulpes;phf: they hear "higher power" and lose their shit. 1378287;1453266766;trinque;"there can be only one!" 1378288;1453266770;ben_vulpes;"but it's not the twoooo gawwwwd!" 1378289;1453266794;ben_vulpes;lookee, nobody cares. 1378290;1453266808;danielpbarron;true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie 1378291;1453266834;ben_vulpes;you've not done the twelve steps, how would you know. 1378292;1453266842;BingoBoingo;It depends on the definition of religion used. 1378293;1453266851;ben_vulpes;you've not talked with twelve steppers about what 'higher power' means, how would you know. 1378294;1453266858;danielpbarron;do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not? 1378295;1453266871;BingoBoingo;It's right if you are Abraham 1378296;1453266882;danielpbarron;I do not need to talk to anyone. I have their own published literature to go by. 1378297;1453266891;ben_vulpes;you're way over there in your church of self-righteous unexamined life, examining everyone else from a pillar of plugged ears and closed eyes. 1378298;1453266906;danielpbarron;you are hypocritically judging me, ben_vulpes 1378299;1453266916;danielpbarron;I am more critical of myself than anyone else 1378300;1453266917;ben_vulpes;hypocritically how? 1378301;1453266918;BingoBoingo;Ah, but the published literature misses "sponsorship" 1378302;1453266930;ben_vulpes;i judge liberally 1378303;1453266935;phf;that's how they do in portland 1378304;1453266945;danielpbarron;nothing wrong with judging, but you are the one who suggested I am in the wrong for doing exactly that 1378305;1453266957;ben_vulpes;read just a skosh closer dude 1378306;1453266966;ben_vulpes;for not actually talking to the practitioners 1378307;1453266975;*;BingoBoingo only laments he hasn't found the meetings with the pretty girls so he can be 13th stepped 1378308;1453267013;danielpbarron;I reject your premise that these people need to be talked to in order for me to know they are wrong 1378309;1453267016;ben_vulpes;"o i dun need to talk to them, i read some ancient texts. this is how we do in my church so it's the right way to do things elsewhere." 1378310;1453267041;ben_vulpes;you assume you know what they mean by higher power man 1378311;1453267051;trinque;it is the mechanism of submission, plain and simple. 1378312;1453267065;*;BingoBoingo can see nothing wrong in a way of life that offers him the possibility of living to see socialism crushed 1378313;1453267071;trinque;how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness. 1378314;1453267105;ben_vulpes;"higher power must mean what i mean by god, and so therefore HEWETICS" 1378315;1453267108;trinque;plus satan has way better music. 1378316;1453267119;danielpbarron;I assume nothing. They say themselves what "higher power" means >> Because of the A.A. policy of a "God, as we understand Him," A.A. is a den of demonic activity. In the booklet, Conscious Contact, they write, . . . there are probably as many different ideas about a Higher Power, or God, as there are people in Twelve Step programs. (p. 8) 1378317;1453267146;ben_vulpes;oh right those three letters 1378318;1453267149;ben_vulpes;i guess you're right then 1378319;1453267177;BingoBoingo;Not everone can be Abraham to take the trip to Moriah 1378320;1453267191;*;ben_vulpes imagines danielpbarron getting a hold of a mistranslation of other ancient texts, declaring fatwa 1378321;1453267208;BingoBoingo;Who can have faith as Abraham, the father of faith did? 1378322;1453267217;danielpbarron;you can 1378323;1453267218;phf;this is similar to concept of ishvara, i.e. a true divinity of chosen denomination, from the yoga sutras. it's the idea that interpretation allows for non yhvh 1378324;1453267245;phf;that irks christian missionaries and such 1378325;1453267255;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: I can't even get to infinite resignation yet. 1378326;1453267313;danielpbarron;who says you should? 1378327;1453267319;*;BingoBoingo pulls out "Fear and Trembling" which I've been reading as a part of step three 1378328;1453267431;BingoBoingo;Eh, my copy's not in the original language. Could be a bad translation. 1378329;1453267435;ben_vulpes;phf: there can only be one!1 1378330;1453267519;trinque;and definitely isn't you! 1378331;1453267523;BingoBoingo;In other news, our Nigerian Prince is at a loss for words http://qntra.net/2016/01/recent-bitcoin-direction/#comment-41474 1378332;1453267524;assbot;Recent Bitcoin Direction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBWgl ) 1378333;1453267555;ben_vulpes;trinque: danielpbarron has the /truth/ you see 1378334;1453267563;ben_vulpes;from these scrolls 1378335;1453267584;trinque;pack it in boys; we're done here. 1378336;1453267626;trinque;group of sheep fuckers that were excluded from the interesting happenings of their own time wrote down all the facts of life 1378337;1453267708;BingoBoingo;You know... It would prolly be easier to V-ify the Big Book for provenance than an English Bible translation. 1378338;1453267742;ben_vulpes;hey now trinque insanely long book of retarded rules says no fucking sheep, nobody fucked sheep that's racist 1378339;1453267764;*;BingoBoingo actually envies danielpbarron his faith 1378340;1453267786;trinque;ben_vulpes: you gotta read between the lines mang 1378341;1453267795;trinque;if it bothers to prohibit sheep fucking... there was sheep fucking 1378342;1453267801;trinque;that's a hard rule of history right there 1378343;1453267802;ben_vulpes;NO 1378344;1453267807;*;ben_vulpes plugs ears, sings 1378345;1453267834;*;BingoBoingo though seriously has to start exploring new meetings to find the ones with the pretty girls, so that he may be 13th stepped. 1378346;1453267851;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet? 1378347;1453267865;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Those seem to be a coastal thing 1378348;1453267887;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu linked a lulzy story about rape fantasizers visiting those 1378349;1453267923;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: weird, i was under the impression they went to 'munches' on the coast 1378350;1453267933;ben_vulpes;8192 goddamn inodes 1378351;1453267936;ben_vulpes;woo 1378352;1453267952;*;BingoBoingo not totally up on the lingo 1378353;1453267975;phf;like where you carpet munch? 1378354;1453268040;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1378355;1453268040;gribble;848586253.592 1378356;1453268071;ben_vulpes;some no doubt derpy bdsm get-together 1378357;1453268088;ben_vulpes;i'm sure fails to measure up to mircea_popescu's discriminating eye in some way or another 1378358;1453268238;ben_vulpes;> sheep fuckers 1378359;1453268246;ben_vulpes;hey man i have cohen markers i'll have you know 1378360;1453268285;BingoBoingo;Hey, some of those sheep fuckers were Jews 1378361;1453268307;ben_vulpes;original sheepfuckers no doubt 1378362;1453268348;punkman;"I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!" 1378363;1453268560;ben_vulpes;you see that bank over there? 1378364;1453268569;ben_vulpes;and you know the other one over in mecca? 1378365;1453268585;ben_vulpes;i built those and five more just like them throughout the fertile crescent. 1378366;1453268600;ben_vulpes;but do they call me isaac the banker? 1378367;1453268694;trinque;punkman │ "I was only trying to help that sheep over the fence!" << wahahaha 1378368;1453268701;trinque;hey my ancestors were romans; I'm sure they fucked all kinds of things 1378369;1453268713;trinque;or why do anything at all! 1378370;1453268736;ben_vulpes;hey it's warm and concave 1378371;1453269406;BingoBoingo;http://www.overclock.net/t/1470209/maxcoin-tips-for-highest-performance 1378372;1453269407;assbot;Maxcoin tips for highest performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wta4gN ) 1378373;1453269791;BingoBoingo;^ Keccak mining info 1378374;1453270089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128600 @ 0.00055606 = 71.5093 BTC [-] 1378375;1453270211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76007 @ 0.00055564 = 42.2325 BTC [-] {3} 1378376;1453270272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107050 @ 0.00056389 = 60.3644 BTC [+] 1378377;1453270606;BingoBoingo;http://www.mersenne.org/primes/?press=M74207281 1378378;1453270607;assbot;Mersenne Prime Discovery - 2^74207281-1 is Prime! ... ( http://bit.ly/1WtbWq2 ) 1378379;1453271133;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet 1378380;1453271133;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (400 shares, 0.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00013 / 0.00013 / 0.00013 (400 shares, 0.05 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00011979 / 0.00013 (3330 shares, 0.40 BTC) 1378381;1453272529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95510 @ 0.00055557 = 53.0625 BTC [-] 1378382;1453272651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.00056525 = 61.7253 BTC [+] {3} 1378383;1453273505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95993 @ 0.0005552 = 53.2953 BTC [-] {2} 1378384;1453273566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27057 @ 0.00055368 = 14.9809 BTC [-] 1378385;1453273680;punkman;http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/laptop_15in/news/ 1378386;1453274313;BingoBoingo;lulz https://archive.is/nqGql 1378387;1453274314;assbot;BITMAIN announces Antpool ... ( http://bit.ly/1n91kQS ) 1378388;1453274981;BingoBoingo;Let's time warp back to M Toomim's spam from January 2015 still pimping the voting site https://archive.is/9xAJS 1378389;1453274982;assbot;Consider.it - Radical new Election System is Ready! (general discussion) - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1n92agp ) 1378390;1453278690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111299 @ 0.00055864 = 62.1761 BTC [+] 1378391;1453278873;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 664 @ 0.00283087 = 1.8797 BTC [+] {2} 1378392;1453279174;fluffypony;https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41aocn/httpsbitcoinorgenbitcoincorecapacityincreases_why/cz0z9ym 1378393;1453279175;assbot;throckmortonsign comments on https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases Why is a hard fork still necessary? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UaVglM ) 1378394;1453279188;fluffypony;if there's a contentious fork then Bitcoin Core will fork to change the PoW 1378395;1453279676;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Discussion started when luke made a troll submission to change the "classic" POW and MP said in channel he wouldn't go to war over proof of work change which he later elaborated on Trilema and which was pointed out on QNtra. 1378396;1453279686;BingoBoingo;Gotta keep up with the news. 1378397;1453279754;BingoBoingo;But hopefully there enough sanity in the pools to keep the trigger from being pulled. 1378398;1453279809;BingoBoingo;Because another decade of this standoff would be just swell 1378399;1453280520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92346 @ 0.00056094 = 51.8006 BTC [+] {2} 1378400;1453283143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155600 @ 0.00056109 = 87.3056 BTC [+] {2} 1378401;1453285217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00055833 = 19.2345 BTC [-] 1378402;1453286925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0005644 = 10.5825 BTC [+] 1378403;1453289649;jurov;haha enjoyed the logs 1378404;1453291966;jurov;http://mashable.com/2016/01/19/snow-penis/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#9BzlEeDTxgqs 1378405;1453291967;assbot;Giant snow penis baffles Swedish town ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow9yfa ) 1378406;1453291983;jurov;"Unfortunately for those trying to eradicate the member, the snow penis was on thin ice, literally." 1378407;1453291990;mircea_popescu;lol 1378408;1453292701;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << was re-reading, not bad huh. 1378409;1453292704;assbot;CEO | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prx0fE ) 1378410;1453292924;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378216 << incidentally, anyone know the french version of this ? 1378411;1453292924;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 03:51:04; asciilifeform: сказка ложь да в ней намёк добрым молодцам урок (tm) (r) 1378412;1453292937;mircea_popescu;i'm particularly fond of that particular expression of the concept. 1378413;1453293000;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378222 << was this before or after he was petrified of cacti and wouldn't wash ? also cat'd from same source. 1378414;1453293000;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 03:57:35; phf: so rms always had a flexible living arrangements, but at some points he had a tenured office at mit, where he would sleep on the couch. there are multiple accounts of that couch being shared by young ladies. perhaps stories are apocryphal and should echo >> jargon.txt 1378415;1453293032;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe they make womanhood differently in teh 2nd best korea, but from what i've seen poor hygiene is an absolute bar for sexual congress. 1378416;1453293194;mircea_popescu;let it further be reflected in teh republican record that having been in a position to both hear the student body consensus on which of the undegrad sluts fucked which profs as well as through personally being induced in the professoral social circle actually see with mine own eyes the reality of the matter, there's always some exaggeration afoot. 1378417;1453293297;mircea_popescu;profs do fuck students on occasion (as they well should), but that occasion is rarer than it would be reasonably expected. meanwhile the student body gossip is almost entirely driven by the overactive sexual imagination of the undersexed bois. if the same bois were mere stable hands, relegated to hard labour and a bed of hay in the barn, just like their proud antecessors actually were, you'd be hearing stories about ho 1378418;1453293298;mircea_popescu;w the daughters of the lady of the house fucked the bull. 1378419;1453293639;shinohai;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-crime-bitcoin-idUSKCN0UY0V8 1378420;1453293640;assbot;Dutch arrest 10 men suspected of using Bitcoin to launder money| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/23eoqGJ ) 1378421;1453293712;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they voted in any of the numerous redditconsensuses to date. 1378422;1453293743;mircea_popescu;"Hoen said the actual drug sellers were the subject of a continuing investigation by the country's drug squad, although 15 kilograms of chemical precursors for the manufacture of Ecstasy were found in raids on Tuesday." 1378423;1453293753;mircea_popescu;ah, launder bs. pill dealers. 1378424;1453293757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80861 @ 0.00055992 = 45.2757 BTC [-] 1378425;1453293766;mircea_popescu;apparently that stuff is still as huge in the yurp as it was in the disco boom era. 1378426;1453293782;mircea_popescu;you'd think the so called fashion drugs actually obeyed some sort of fashion cyclicity. 1378427;1453293806;mircea_popescu;"According to an account in De Telegraaf newspaper, which was invited to witness the raids, the men were caught due to large amounts of money being frequently deposited into their bank accounts and then quickly withdrawn in cash from ATMs." 1378428;1453293808;mircea_popescu;herp. 1378429;1453293822;shinohai;I am glad my drug needs are relatively simple. X never made the list. 1378430;1453293857;mircea_popescu;In all more than 250 law enforcement officials participated in Tuesday's raids. << 20mn / 250 means productivity per capita for "law enforcement official" is about 80k. basically they wouldn't pull their weight as engineers, barely qualified to work for mcdonalds. 1378431;1453293867;mircea_popescu;i think that's about what average mcd employee pulls in for the comp. 1378432;1453293922;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378233 << - >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378230 1378433;1453293922;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 04:17:53; *: BingoBoingo still in recovery. It is through the strategic superiority of #b-a that I stopped being a drunk ass online in time to enjoy the irony of USGToomim Mark M be a stoned ass online 1378434;1453293922;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 04:10:37; phf: sick gains 1378435;1453293924;mircea_popescu;for srsly. 1378436;1453293999;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378236 << you realise that's mostly the marketing of the "aa" thing, right ? "let's find these addictive personalities at their most vulnerable and try to replace their addiction of choice with a bland surogate that promotes our self-interest". 1378437;1453293999;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 04:26:44; phf: i know this guy, a master carpenter, he builds wooden structures at burning man (infrastructural stuff, not "art"). he's been clean for 30 years now, but it's a constant aa-ing for him. "an acoholic can never be free", etc. i guess it's working for him, but it's hell of depressing mindset 1378438;1453294008;mircea_popescu;in fairfness, they didn't think this out, merely copied the church, but nevertheless. 1378439;1453294016;mircea_popescu;learned helplessness. 1378440;1453294071;mircea_popescu;(and also castration, because that's the deep content there, "do not dare be a man, men can sin". yeah, i'm sure, let's all be women and have things "just happen and occur to us" and hold hands and be victims. anyone say rape's inevitable in this context ? BURN THE WITCH!!1) 1378441;1453294210;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378253 << he has a point you know. takes all of half an hour to make this switch, be a berserker for the rest of your life. and his choice of venue is wise, too. nigga prolly throw you mad respects for the move, because it'd be as far as anyone has EVER seen, or heard tale told, the FIRST case a pale face did something. 1378442;1453294210;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 04:43:39; mats: can emigrate to hood and go into battle whenever you feel like it 1378443;1453294252;*;mircea_popescu recalls they'd have rather re-interpret me as muslim than face the incredible notion that there exist sane whitey. 1378444;1453294638;asciilifeform;quite unrelated, but lulzy, https://unreddit.com 1378445;1453294639;assbot;unreddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1V8deVW ) 1378446;1453294715;asciilifeform;(the stratfor link alone is hilarious. somehow i missed this.) 1378447;1453295038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00055833 = 3.3779 BTC [-] 1378448;1453295099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00055802 = 23.3531 BTC [-] {2} 1378449;1453295343;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00281571 = 2.1118 BTC [-] {2} 1378450;1453295735;mircea_popescu;i can't fucking believe how inadequate emacs is for playwriting. 1378451;1453295765;mircea_popescu;suppose i want to see what solarino said. what, do i grep ? what if i want to see his grammar, regexp ?! suppose i want to see his rare word usage, what do i do, perl from a list ? 1378452;1453295783;mircea_popescu;whenever man sits down to do anything, man discovers that he is in all likelihood the first man to have ever sat down to do that one thing. 1378453;1453295812;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf all those dudes fixated on virginity in their women don't get into programming. fucking virgin field as far as the eye can see, it could be 1815 for all anyone'd know. 1378454;1453296136;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00281195 = 2.109 BTC [-] {2} 1378455;1453296154;mircea_popescu;in unrelated (really ?) news, two simultaneous (as in, same second) okcupid messages : GEUINEME, 59, Straight, Woman, Single, 160cm from Miami FL says "You are disgusting ugly piece of humanity !!!! Men like you should be castrated thrown in the desert to be lost forever with never a chance of seeing Another human being." whereas ZenRoots, 23, Straight, Man, Single from Lacey, WA says "Dude what your badass. Keep livin 1378456;1453296154;mircea_popescu;g it​". we thank our listeners and now invite you to enjoy together with us the infinite blue! 1378457;1453296155;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76ZvfmjVS0 1378458;1453296156;assbot;Angela Similea - Un albastru infinit (regia Viorel Sergovici) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1V8gMaS ) 1378459;1453296294;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "Connecting to reddit failed. Double check the url" 1378460;1453296380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00055992 = 37.5706 BTC [+] 1378461;1453296514;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378263 << quite exactly that. anonymity is infantilizing. 1378462;1453296514;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 04:54:26; BingoBoingo: Also some people relapse which would be embarassing in the organization had a bunch of public faces. 1378463;1453296564;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378268 << hear, hear. 1378464;1453296564;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:03:53; *: ben_vulpes is enjoying the bible vs. big book citation spats 1378465;1453296607;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1378466;1453296610;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.12, Best ask: 396.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.57000, Last trade: 396.68, 24 hour volume: 29769.57211061, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1378467;1453296650;mircea_popescu;o noes! but bitcoin was dying because lolz, and then it recovered because why ?! WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED! 1378468;1453296679;mircea_popescu;fucktards. don't even own enough dough to buy my flock stockings. 1378469;1453296685;mircea_popescu;biggest country in the world [of our imagination] 1378470;1453296786;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378287 << technically the view is as to HIGHEST power, not as to higher power. the idea that there may be no intermediation between god and man is a relatively novel innovation, broadly specific to anglo neoprotestants. (in this context "anglo" means mostly means dutch) 1378471;1453296786;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:12:46; trinque: "there can be only one!" 1378472;1453296812;mircea_popescu;otherwise the doctrine as well as the history is fulla intermediations and intermediants. 1378473;1453296940;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378290 << consider my objection with the ponzi talk ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377844 ). it's an absurd notion, this. all metaphysics can be reframed as "a religious discussion", arguing as to whether it is or it isn't is fundamentally defective (and keeping discussions strictly physical is extremely difficult, even for trained practitioners, which 1378474;1453296940;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:13:28; danielpbarron: true gods or not, AA claims to be a non-religious organization and this is a lie 1378475;1453296940;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:22:41; mircea_popescu: (in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.) 1378476;1453296940;mircea_popescu;is why science sucks and math blows). 1378477;1453296982;mircea_popescu;which is why nobody bothers to engage the derps going "bitcoin/b-a/whatever is a cult!11". sure, whatever, it's a cult. not as much as your "feminism" "environment" "government" "state will save us" blabla. 1378478;1453296990;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00281038 = 2.1078 BTC [-] {4} 1378479;1453297031;mircea_popescu;more broadly, there's no merit in trying to hold categorical discussions with idiots, they're both incapable of keeping the categories straight and also believe that their "best weapon" is to muddy them up. 1378480;1453297054;mircea_popescu;usually an unconscious belief, but nevertheless, all-permeating. 1378481;1453297362;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378294 << technically, yes. consider any fanatic dude going "oh, if i only had the opportunity to kill hiltler before he could do all that damage!!1" gets his opportunity and is now explaining to a munchen court why he dispatched the 9yo boy with a pickaxe. what do you say, "i guess it's one of those where you had to be there" ? 1378482;1453297362;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:14:18; danielpbarron: do I also need to murder to know whether that was right or not? 1378483;1453297455;mircea_popescu;i suppose the thing to do is "raise awareness" on reddit, get 51% of "the people" to agree the forked history is better off and then there you go, consensus has been achieved and all is well. 1378484;1453297481;mircea_popescu;the irony of this being EXACTLY how it works out in practice being why we even made laws to begin with is of course lost on the proponents. 1378485;1453297688;mircea_popescu;but, let us quote for the memory of it. "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears - I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." 1378486;1453297691;mircea_popescu;"Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest For Brutus is an honourable man; so are they all, all honourable men come I to speak in Caesars funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me, but Brutus says he was ambitious and Brutus is an honourable man." 1378487;1453297889;mircea_popescu;!up villan 1378488;1453298759;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 398 @ 0.00266275 = 1.0598 BTC [-] 1378489;1453298820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113766 @ 0.00056391 = 64.1538 BTC [+] {2} 1378490;1453298881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129139 @ 0.000566 = 73.0927 BTC [+] {3} 1378491;1453299430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00055802 = 14.369 BTC [-] 1378492;1453299469;jurov;!t m x.eur 1378493;1453299470;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00266275 / 0.002799 / 0.00283212 (3688 shares, 10.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00248292 / 0.00280335 / 0.00301878 (5519 shares, 15.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00238552 / 0.00264614 / 0.00301878 (12420 shares, 32.87 BTC) 1378494;1453300132;jurov;!up Tomiii 1378495;1453300147;jurov;hi Tomiii hows hawaii? 1378496;1453300185;Tomiii;hawaii is nice 1378497;1453300528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00055802 = 20.4793 BTC [-] 1378498;1453301561;deedbot-;[Trilema] There has not yet been seen a simple thing, even if we're drowning in simple people. - http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/ 1378499;1453302088;mircea_popescu;and incidentallty, where does one find brideshead revisited text ? why, on lib.ru, of course. http://www.lib.ru/WO/brajdshed_engl.txt 1378500;1453302090;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4J6fO ) 1378501;1453302095;mircea_popescu;BRAJDS HED! 1378502;1453302198;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378303 << bwahahaha the zingers! 1378503;1453302198;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:15:35; phf: that's how they do in portland 1378504;1453302262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378313 << technically speaking, the definition of church is such that there can not be a "somewhere else". 1378505;1453302262;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:17:51; trinque: how one can see how it works in "the church" and not elsewhere is a matter of selective blindness. 1378506;1453302350;mircea_popescu;in this reading, the bunch of socialist, liberal, rights-and-whatevers, equality-and-environment folk are self-excommunicated, ie they can't take part in the workings of the church. which, judging by the devil-fell-in-holy-water level of hysteria displayed when they encounter submission etc, may not even be that far off. 1378507;1453302413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378315 << ow god, you actually listened to the "satanist" crap ? it's god-awful. heavy metal is one thing, but more iron maiden less weirdo guttural dudes. 1378508;1453302413;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:18:28; trinque: plus satan has way better music. 1378509;1453302428;bagels7;How does this WoT feel about racial prejudice? 1378510;1453302487;mircea_popescu;as in ? 1378511;1453302590;bagels7;as in don't lend money to black people because they don't pay back 1378512;1453302590;trinque;https://youtu.be/HNPpZMo-Q58 << maiden rules, but I still like this 1378513;1453302591;assbot;Mors Principium Est - Bringer Of Light - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4LjIa ) 1378514;1453302605;trinque;a you don't youtube 1378515;1453302649;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378346 << sex addiction only exists in sheep. 1378516;1453302649;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:30:51; ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hasn't found the sex addict 12-step groups yet? 1378517;1453302659;mircea_popescu;bagels7 that's pretty ridiculous. 1378518;1453302700;bagels7;my black friend told me "this is a black house DUH" in response to her BF robbing me at his mothers house 1378519;1453302716;mircea_popescu;aw come on, melodic finns and satanism. unfair! 1378520;1453302722;trinque;heh! 1378521;1453302726;bagels7;the white people who robbed me were crackheads who I trusted with my phone, that's my fault 1378522;1453302739;mircea_popescu;bagels7 quite. 1378523;1453302759;bagels7;if you aren't racist you probably never lent money to a black guy 1378524;1453302766;jurov;bagels7: the wot is mightily prejudiced against WASPs :D 1378525;1453302783;bagels7;jurov: good^ 1378526;1453302807;bagels7;I was a brainwashed jehovah witness, it's a wonder I am not a zealot today 1378527;1453302811;jurov;also, maybe self-professed niggers liek thestringpuller can say sth about it 1378528;1453302814;mircea_popescu;uh im pretty sure i lent money to black dudes, actually. 1378529;1453302890;kakobrekla;all my nonpayers were white. 1378530;1453302891;bagels7;my employer is black and he is the only one that is trustworthy, He said that out of 30 girls im the only trustworthy one but IDK if he was being nice but probably not 1378531;1453302893;mircea_popescu;anyway, what your barely-literate friend was trying to convey was that he and his friends regard themselves as sovereign and outside the common mores of fucktardation and idiocy (conveniently equated with white society), and as such pussies get taken in. which is what happened to you. which makes sense, in that context, and has exactly 0 to do with color and everything to do with what you represent as "sexual orientati 1378532;1453302893;mircea_popescu;on" and they represent as a fundamental failure to thrive. 1378533;1453302930;bagels7;my gay/black roomate is going to pay me back the 350 dollars he owes me when it "comes out of his ass". I am never lending money again 1378534;1453302952;mircea_popescu;o yes you will. 1378535;1453302974;jurov;bagels7: he asks you for anal probing in other words, no reason to refuse 1378536;1453303007;*;mircea_popescu suspects roomate is "gay" in the sense of "he fucks holes". 1378537;1453303028;mircea_popescu;homosexuality is a complicated thang. 1378538;1453303074;bagels7;jurov: funny, but no, he's not into me, he has a bf now and is a jerk about it like coming in my room to make out then leave, which is inconsiderate considering I am seperated recently 1378539;1453303096;mircea_popescu;o ? how did you break up ? 1378540;1453303125;jurov;he's not a jerk, you're a cuck if you allow him 1378541;1453303125;bagels7;real fucking bad, alcohol, violence, cops coming and him going to jail for the weekend for being violent with cops 1378542;1453303162;mircea_popescu;aww. 1378543;1453303184;mircea_popescu;move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it. 1378544;1453303209;mircea_popescu;maybe you meet a nice aide or something... you never know. 1378545;1453303219;bagels7;He is like 250 lbs jurov and he does treat me like a child but he is a bigger spoiled child who claims to be a victim of society while calling his mother every other day. this one time he didnt talk to me for 3 days because we forgot to share a joint with him, and now he is not talking to me because I said "oh fuck off" in response to him calling me fat after i told him not to tell me 1378546;1453303219;bagels7;that 1378547;1453303264;bagels7;Like if he really had a hard life like me my dad would beat that arrogance out of him and those disgusting childish manipulating games wouldn't work 1378548;1453303334;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378353 << i've once been to a bdsm munch by the boston bdsm munching society. it was pretty pitiful. 1378549;1453303334;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 05:32:55; phf: like where you carpet munch? 1378550;1453303439;mircea_popescu;for the record, https://www.google.com/search?q=%22but+do+they+call+me+isaac+the+banker%3F%22 1378551;1453303440;assbot;"but do they call me isaac the banker?" - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1T4PbJ7 ) 1378552;1453303460;bagels7;I lived with a BDSM guy by accident and It was the easiest time of my life, I took a 100 dollar taxi ride to a complete stranger i met online the same day because it was midnight and I was in a bad neighborhood on the streets. I didn't know he was an "experienced BDSM master" 1378553;1453303508;trinque;oh god, that google result's summary.. teh lulz overfloweth 1378554;1453303533;bagels7;I would rather be a sexual slave and get raped everyday than go through "childhood" again 1378555;1453303570;mircea_popescu;i think we has won a google. 1378556;1453303592;punkman;heh 1378557;1453303596;mircea_popescu;bagels7 this view is a lot more common than generally realised. 1378558;1453303607;bagels7;!search fascism 1378559;1453303608;assbot;40 results for 'fascism' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fascism 1378560;1453303749;bagels7;mircea_popescu thanks, I feel better about it now thought im still sick of poor black people playing victim when they aren't willing to do my job 1378561;1453303779;mircea_popescu;!up Xplosionist 1378562;1453303793;Xplosionist;Thanks, mircea_popescu. 1378563;1453303800;mircea_popescu;sure. 1378564;1453303820;Xplosionist;The bet for redskins was resolved, and the 48 hours passed, but the payout to my address hasn't shown up. 1378565;1453303836;mircea_popescu;bagels7 what people claim has naught to do with anything else other than what it pays to claim. if society pays for being a victim, they;ll claim being a victim. a century ago when it paid being a winner, you couldn't get out of talk about how winnery they are. whatevs. 1378566;1453303844;mircea_popescu;Xplosionist link ? 1378567;1453303853;Xplosionist;clicking on the address in the bet shows the last transaction was a previous one from another bet on jan 10. 1378568;1453303858;Xplosionist;https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/ 1378569;1453303858;assbot;BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYMkOy ) 1378570;1453303863;mircea_popescu;to your bet, man. 1378571;1453303882;Xplosionist;https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/#b3 1378572;1453303883;assbot;BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 2 weeks 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkgQ1A ) 1378573;1453303921;Xplosionist;I know there was a way to see transactions, I thought there was, but I don't see it. Just the link to my payment address which shows no transaction matching the one I expect./ 1378574;1453303927;mircea_popescu;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/d219234f59dda8efe3ee00dd363b7c642cfac41e170a53e96ea6754247a19c28/ << 1378575;1453303928;assbot;BTC Transaction d219234f59dda8efe3ee00dd363b7c642cfac41e170a53e96ea6754247a19c28 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkgUy5 ) 1378576;1453303931;mircea_popescu;there's some weirdness afoot. 1378577;1453303943;mircea_popescu;supposedly the txn is doublespent but i can't find the supposed doublespender in mempool. 1378578;1453303948;mircea_popescu;will be looking into this. 1378579;1453303961;Xplosionist;Thanks. I assumed it was something odd that had happened. 1378580;1453303968;mircea_popescu;yeah, thanks for pointing out. 1378581;1453303974;Xplosionist;np! 1378582;1453304001;Xplosionist;Did you find that from the bitbet page, link to that transaction? If so, where is that? 1378583;1453304055;mircea_popescu;nah, i know what txn to look for from the payout logs, and then see what webservice shows it. no way you can do this yourself, really. 1378584;1453304076;Xplosionist;K. Thanks. Just had thought i was missing something when I was trying to track it myself. 1378585;1453304100;mircea_popescu;nope. 1378586;1453304124;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is ever more broken, while these derps "raise awareness" about how to fix hallucinated problems we don't have. 1378587;1453304134;mircea_popescu;but anyway, what can you do. foss. 1378588;1453304147;punkman;in ewe-ther news http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/lamb-chop-weight-enforcers-want-warrantless-access-to-australians-metadata 1378589;1453304148;assbot;Lamb chop weight enforcers want warrantless access to Australians’ metadata | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkhhsB ) 1378590;1453304166;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1378591;1453304202;ascii_butugychag;hey Xplosionist ! 1378592;1453304215;ascii_butugychag;Xplosionist: $slavefarm implode yet ? 1378593;1453304241;mircea_popescu;"A spokeswoman for the NMI, Yen Heng, referred questions about its application to the attorney generals department." yeah, this makes sense. 1378594;1453304276;Xplosionist;Hey there! 1378595;1453304304;Xplosionist;And no, but it's getting closer. They kinda screwed me over in December, so I'm shopping. 1378596;1453304328;Xplosionist;All in all, things are looking okay. Just lots more staff in SF, and nothing promising for the eng staff in MD. 1378597;1453304331;mircea_popescu;Santoshi International Pty Ltd: Pleaded guilty to shortfalls of up to 50% in prepacked spices. Fined $3,000. << no value backing the bitcoin ? i beg to differ! backed by 50% spice! 1378598;1453304472;ascii_butugychag;Xplosionist: i suspected you might be the last one in that shop 1378599;1453304547;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: 'the spice must flow' (tm) (r) ('dune') 1378600;1453304556;mircea_popescu;aha. 1378601;1453304611;mircea_popescu;ok, so time for me to admit defeat, and come to humbly beseech the masters of computer craft far more advanced than me. here's the story (brace yourselves) : 1378602;1453304642;Xplosionist;ascii_butugychag: no, there've been two new hires here in the last 18 months. But, try as I might during my official stint as manager in 2015, I couldn't hire any more. 1378603;1453304685;mircea_popescu;given is a text file, worth ~1.5 GB, containing a) reliable record separator ; b) a profile name ; c) the textual content of the profile in question. 1378604;1453304698;mircea_popescu;required is a list of all profile names whose profile textual content matches a certain string. 1378605;1453304720;mircea_popescu;how is this done ?! obviously, "turn it into a sql thing somehow and sql it", but no, i mean in bash. 1378606;1453304733;Xplosionist;mircea_popescu is there a good field separator? 1378607;1453304740;mircea_popescu;if you make it into a single line and try to then use sed to recreate lines by the separator, sed silently dies 1378608;1453304756;Xplosionist;if the record separator is a newline, then I think I'd use awk. 1378609;1453304759;mircea_popescu;(grep also dies, but not silently - lack of memory, supposedly, because it's badly written) 1378610;1453304772;mircea_popescu;Xplosionist you specifically can not rely on newlines because they are used in the profile text. 1378611;1453304789;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: 'split' 1378612;1453304791;Xplosionist;okay. what is the record separator? 1378613;1453304793;mircea_popescu;if you use csplit to create individual files by the record separator, you end up with 500k files, and 1378614;1453304799;mircea_popescu;grep fails (too many arguments) 1378615;1453304813;Xplosionist;echo * | xargs grep textthingtofind 1378616;1453304817;mircea_popescu;Xplosionist as it happens, "( function() {" but why would it matter. 1378617;1453304823;Xplosionist;echo might handle it, where grep can't on one command line. 1378618;1453304828;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i had this problem with phuctor. ended up using python 1378619;1453304834;ascii_butugychag;to iterate over the dir 1378620;1453304836;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you see what i mean, i take it ? 1378621;1453304837;Xplosionist;mircea_popescu mostly I was curious. 1378622;1453304837;ascii_butugychag;(after split) 1378623;1453304858;jurov;"diff: does not exist." << every day i'm coming closer and closer to be fkn done with emacs 1378624;1453304875;mircea_popescu;heh. 1378625;1453304879;ascii_butugychag;jurov: please wake me up when you find a replacement for emacs ! 1378626;1453304880;mircea_popescu;this is how i ended up with nano. 1378627;1453304903;jurov;ascii_butugychag: i was completely fine with vim. then i heard about org-mode 1378628;1453304927;ascii_butugychag;jurov: common lisp in vim is hardcore masochism, far beyond my ability to endure 1378629;1453304931;Xplosionist;mircea_popescu: does echo * | xargs work for you, after the csplit? 1378630;1453304934;mircea_popescu;nope. 1378631;1453304952;Xplosionist;too many files for echo, as well? pisser. 1378632;1453304985;jurov;find -print0 | xargs -0 is bulletproof 1378633;1453305005;Xplosionist;Ahh, thanks jurov. find | xargs. Better plan. 1378634;1453305056;Xplosionist;and given that split makes the filenames the print0/xargs -0 isn't even needed. But yah, I well know your "is bulletproof" feelings. 1378635;1453305135;jurov;ascii_butugychag: what does it have with orgmode? 1378636;1453305204;jurov;and windows management in emacs seems to be strictly designed to be illogical anti-muscle-memory, i keep clobbering the buffer i want to stay open 1378637;1453305741;bagels7;!down time to be overpriced company 1378638;1453305808;ascii_butugychag;jurov: the traditional answer is 'if emacs does not behave as you like, write some elisp' 1378639;1453305829;ascii_butugychag;i suspect that there is no getting away from this 1378640;1453305841;trinque;jurov: I use winner mode so I can at least go back in window arrangement history when I fuck things up 1378641;1453305847;ascii_butugychag;either you contort yourself to fit the tool (the luserworld philosophy) or you bend the tool. 1378642;1453305862;jurov;yea, the evilmode wizards attempted to have it work like in vim, and it does not work 1378643;1453305870;trinque;winner-mode plus exwm is goddamned beautiful 1378644;1453305871;jurov;how would i do better? 1378645;1453305886;ascii_butugychag;this being said, i fucking hate emacs and have been cursing it every day for my entire working life. 1378646;1453305898;ascii_butugychag;BUT every alternative i ever tried made me want to eat a nagant. 1378647;1453305906;ascii_butugychag;and i mus've tried 100+. 1378648;1453306003;trinque;jurov: srs, C-c left, unclobber. it's an undo/redo stack for the window arrangement 1378649;1453306023;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1378650;1453306107;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://harelba.github.io/q/ 1378651;1453306107;assbot;Run SQL directly on CSV files | Text as Data | q ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwypiI ) 1378652;1453306112;jurov;imma look it up every time? and what's about this C-c fetish? 1378653;1453306136;*;trinque emits a parse error 1378654;1453306147;trinque;can bind it to whatever you want 1378655;1453306151;ascii_butugychag;^ 1378656;1453306189;jurov;how do i bind it to C-w + focus the destination widows with arrows? 1378657;1453306194;jurov;i want *this*. 1378658;1453306200;jurov;not "whatever" 1378659;1453306208;trinque;what do you mean whatever? 1378660;1453306218;trinque;destination of wat? 1378661;1453306236;mircea_popescu;no he wants to pick the destination from among the windows by pressing arrow keys 1378662;1453306243;jurov;heck, we can't even agree on terminology 1378663;1453306270;trinque;ah k. that's reasonable, and surely can be done 1378664;1453306318;mircea_popescu;punkman that q thing is interesting. 1378665;1453306359;trinque;jurov: worth looking around in apropos window 1378666;1453306363;punkman;mircea_popescu: sqlite shell can also work directly on csv files 1378667;1453306380;*;trinque likes helm-apropos very much, and has it on a reasonable binding 1378668;1453306384;ascii_butugychag;http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WindMove << possibly 1378669;1453306384;assbot;EmacsWiki: Wind Move ... ( http://bit.ly/1Owz43N ) 1378670;1453306392;ascii_butugychag;^ for the buffers thing 1378671;1453306425;mircea_popescu;punkman yeah but if im going to bash i prefer pipes. 1378672;1453306696;jurov;ascii_butugychag: thx 1378673;1453306849;mod6;had some strange issue when testing my high/low patch lastnight; worked well when it was just if(fLowS) { // low-s Code } else { //orig der code }, but when i had 'if(fLowS) { // low-s } else if(fHighS) { // high-s } else { // orig code }', tx's that I created wern't getting picked up at all. 1378674;1453306863;mod6;trying to get that figured out. 1378675;1453307052;mod6;im thinking maybe, worst case, i can make a patch with just the -lows code in there, and then wait to get the rest figured out later for -highs 1378676;1453307130;punkman;mod6, I don't get it 1378677;1453307146;punkman;what does high/low/orig code do? 1378678;1453307235;mod6;ok, so the original code is in key.h:Sign (L291) 1378679;1453307282;mod6;the idea is, have a flag 'fLowS' that is passe from the cmdline when starting bitcoind as '-lows' that will run (basically this code: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227) instead of the original 1378680;1453307283;assbot;bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwATOc ) 1378681;1453307373;mod6;you passed me a link to BIP66, which, as far as I can tell isn't anything more than a bunch of sanity checks. 1378682;1453307378;mod6;so i'm ignoring that. 1378683;1453307450;mircea_popescu;it is good to have backups : they can fail when used and thus justify keeping around trickups. 1378684;1453307454;mircea_popescu;!up leps_ 1378685;1453307540;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378674 << high-s txn weren't picked up at all you mea n? 1378686;1453307540;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 16:21:03; mod6: trying to get that figured out. 1378687;1453307578;mircea_popescu;what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ? 1378688;1453307586;mod6;last night, it wasn't just high-s txn, it was both. which i found to be really weird. 1378689;1453307592;mod6;https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9/ 1378690;1453307593;assbot;BTC Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/23eU7iY ) 1378691;1453307601;mod6;i just sent a low-s one, and that seemed ok. 1378692;1453307610;mod6;(with the high-s code in there also) 1378693;1453307642;mod6;for those interested, there is some debugging that did lastnight: http://dpaste.com/15QFA7T.txt 1378694;1453307644;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/23eUdXO ) 1378695;1453307687;mircea_popescu;the mempool is beeing pretty well flooded by bs, so depending on exactly what type of txn you had that may account. 1378696;1453307690;mod6;i'll note, for instance, that when using -lows lastnight, i created tx '320665468f018d9635da7e240f01f48b07e1e5114a2535895f7091fe3aa751a0' (and a hand full of others) that never made it. 1378697;1453307707;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah. 1378698;1453307745;mircea_popescu;there are still floating around 14,7kb shits with 0.00015 fees that were introduced on the 18th. by the thousand. 1378699;1453307770;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> what sanity checks are you ignoring you say ? << it was basically this, i was looking at in regards to bip66: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files 1378700;1453307774;mircea_popescu;if you graph the mempool you'll see that there's this see-saw pattern, resulting from spam txn being introduced, then they expire, then reintroduced... 1378701;1453307782;mircea_popescu;the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth 1378702;1453307789;mod6;ah, ok. 1378703;1453307796;mod6;that may have played a role. 1378704;1453308023;punkman;mod6, did you port strict-DER too? 1378705;1453308067;mod6;just the part that I indicated above. 1378706;1453308117;punkman;might be another reason for rejection 1378707;1453309112;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1378708;1453309904;mod6;punkman: when you refer to 'strict-DER', are you referring to this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files 1378709;1453309906;assbot;Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu ) 1378710;1453309922;mod6;or is there some other code that you are referencing? 1378711;1453310166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63150 @ 0.00056388 = 35.609 BTC [+] {2} 1378712;1453310353;punkman;mod6: I meant producing stric-der signatures, and yeah that pull-req only involves the relaying 1378713;1453310389;mod6;ah, can you give me a point in the right direction? 1378714;1453310423;punkman;not sure when they implemented that in PRB 1378715;1453310471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114200 @ 0.00055876 = 63.8104 BTC [-] {2} 1378716;1453311203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00055844 = 41.0453 BTC [-] 1378717;1453311808;punkman;http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/world/isis-salary-cuts/index.html 1378718;1453311809;assbot;ISIS cuts its fighters' salaries by 50% - Jan. 19, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5j3Fi ) 1378719;1453312318;shinohai;punkman, any mention of whether they only get 36 virgins now instead of 72 ? 1378720;1453312439;jurov;or recycled virgins 1378721;1453312840;BingoBoingo;Or well worn virgins 1378722;1453313277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105822 @ 0.00055844 = 59.0952 BTC [-] 1378723;1453313391;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1378724;1453313907;ascii_butugychag;the 'final solution' to the tx crud flood is, i suspect, mircea_popescu's concept of a tmsr-ONLY block-a-day mining pool 1378725;1453313918;ascii_butugychag;which - for extra bonus lulz - imho ought to take high-S only... 1378726;1453313956;ascii_butugychag;(now that i think about it, i don't recall whether he said anything about tmsr-only. but this seems like an obvious thing) 1378727;1453314043;kakobrekla;powered by what, cpus and gpus ? 1378728;1453314050;ascii_butugychag;by farts 1378729;1453314055;kakobrekla;ah yes. 1378730;1453314060;kakobrekla;i have lots of gas tonite. 1378731;1453314468;ben_vulpes;jurov: y'ever try window-jump? 1378732;1453314479;jurov;no idea 1378733;1453314485;ben_vulpes;window-jump and winner-mode make for...a not horrible experience. 1378734;1453314506;ben_vulpes;i use helm for buffer selection, and winner mode to get the windows back where they were. 1378735;1453314538;ben_vulpes;and did i read that mircea_popescu wants 'semantic extraction' built into emacs? 1378736;1453314579;ascii_butugychag;who wants to , can build whatever into emacs 1378737;1453314602;ascii_butugychag;somebody wrote an 'infocom adventure' interpreter. my brother played a few gamez in it 1378738;1453314605;ascii_butugychag;works great. 1378739;1453314671;ascii_butugychag;but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while. 1378740;1453314695;ascii_butugychag;though perhaps mircea_popescu could try and teach his pets elisp 1378741;1453314721;jurov;dunno about itches, i was fine with vim.. but common lisp, orgmode... 1378742;1453314752;ascii_butugychag;can one get hungry-arrowkeys in vim ? 1378743;1453314759;ascii_butugychag;i can't fathom using an editor without it 1378744;1453314780;ascii_butugychag;FUCK hitting an arrow more than once to traverse a block of whitespace 1378745;1453314817;ascii_butugychag;seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere. 1378746;1453314992;jurov;i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed. 1378747;1453315061;deedbot-;[Qntra] Netherlands Arrests 10 For Money - http://qntra.net/2016/01/netherlands-arrests-10-for-money/ 1378748;1453315087;jurov;there's also f,t for jumping to a character 1378749;1453315108;BingoBoingo; seriously if i wanted to repeatedly perform manual drudgery i would go and pick cotton somewhere. << Speaking of are you dealing with that Apocalyptic blizzard fiat news is derping about. 1378750;1453315183;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: no sign of it yet 1378751;1453315234;BingoBoingo;Ah, we've got about 3 inches of snow here. Thing apparently hasn't built up that much yet. 1378752;1453315237;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1378753;1453315624;mircea_popescu; i use ctrl to jump to next nonwhitespace if needed. << i do. 1378754;1453315627;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1378755;1453315633;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.5, vol: 21773.84730223 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 408.9, vol: 13515.24357 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 408.38, vol: 60890.38427171 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 6.85034257 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.02704, vol: 72708.52130000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.9848, vol: 678.38381919 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.787510901, vol: 153.49899348 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1378756;1453315636;BingoBoingo;;;more 1378757;1453315637;gribble;average: 411.452744344 1378758;1453315673;BingoBoingo;Oh, it's like the Hearnstick was completely negated as soon as ACH deposits brough fiat to exchanges. 1378759;1453316007;BingoBoingo;Also random WAPO organs are now trying the call people things they didn't choose to be named strategy https://archive.is/Iul9m 1378760;1453316008;assbot;Sarah Palin no-show at Trump event. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OwRbXe ) 1378761;1453316112;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378543 << heh now you're ~encouraging~ people to move to USSA? 1378762;1453316112;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 15:19:44; mircea_popescu: move to wash, dc. everyone else is doing it. 1378763;1453316155;jurov;yeah, like sending you to vatican 1378764;1453316161;mircea_popescu;lol 1378765;1453316169;danielpbarron;(bagelz is canadian if i recall correctly) 1378766;1453316242;mircea_popescu;it's a semi-permeable membrane. i don't indiscriminately counsel everyone there to come out. 1378767;1453316257;mircea_popescu;some that are in should come out of it already. some belong in there, be they now in or out. 1378768;1453316406;mircea_popescu;in unrelated lulz, http://sshostmaster.howtomoneyguide.com/4BjLhCashw6Hlfd/How-To-Fix-%22This-application-has-failed-to-start-because-msvcr100-dll-was-not-found%22-Error.html 1378769;1453316407;assbot;How To Fix 'This Application Has Failed To Start Because Msvcr100 Dll Was Not Found' Error | Learn how to quickly earn money online through affiliates and more! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrOLT ) 1378770;1453316427;BingoBoingo;In derpity hurp stoner not rly news https://archive.is/Fb7Qy and https://archive.is/dttpO 1378771;1453316428;assbot;toomim comments on The Toomin brothers, Bitcoin Classic's main devs are debating Core devs and trying to show them the light. It gets quite fishy at the end. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrTiM ) 1378772;1453316429;assbot;Bitcoin Classic's Magical Mystery Tour - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyrRrb ) 1378773;1453316442;ben_vulpes;i rarely use arrow keys to navigate, preferring instead to search through the buffer 1378774;1453316509;mircea_popescu;ctrl-w also works. 1378775;1453316512;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Maybe we should all join hands here in assets and sing kumbaya. 1378776;1453316519;BingoBoingo;"Peoples reactions to the discussion have been mixed, with people pointing out that the discussion was inappropriate in a group of essentially strangers. Furthermore, Bitcoin has been associated with drug use throughout its entire history, and perhaps it is in the interest of the community to separate itself from that." << lolz ClassicCoin can't even win outlets that flirted with Garza's Paycoin 1378777;1453316548;mircea_popescu;awww. 1378778;1453316595;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: That would be suspicious 1378779;1453316732;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1378780;1453316736;danielpbarron;my interpretation from the toomim drug thing was that he was trying to be like Mircea only replacing gurlz with drugz or something 1378781;1453316765;thestringpuller;d00d trolling core dropped me this article he wrote on slack: http://philmaher.com/how-to-pump-and-dump-your-affiliates/ 1378782;1453316832;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people burned themselves trying to be me. perhaps i find out one day. 1378783;1453316836;mircea_popescu;were a bunch even pre-internet. 1378784;1453316901;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Or just trying to "be cool" like all those movie stoners or something. It's not unknown among USG agents to either have or have invented a "groovy" drug history. 1378785;1453316930;ascii_butugychag;there was reptilia... 1378786;1453316937;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00263892 = 1.9792 BTC [-] 1378787;1453316946;mircea_popescu;there is the problem of manufactured street cred. what to say, what to say ? 1378788;1453316957;ascii_butugychag;how come nobody tried to be, e.g., paul erdos. 1378789;1453316968;mircea_popescu;and how do you know they didn't ? 1378790;1453316969;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Tortilla's brain did fine simulating the drug experience without chemical assistance 1378791;1453316969;ascii_butugychag;how do 'triers' select who to 'try to be' anyway. 1378792;1453316983;mircea_popescu;perceived social dominance. 1378793;1453316983;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: true, perhaps all 'dark matter' 1378794;1453317005;mircea_popescu;why were the asylums full of napoleons rather than perigords ? 1378795;1453317038;ascii_butugychag;they are full of 'napoleons', but also there is always a reasonable number of 'glass pitchers', 'acorns', etc 1378796;1453317051;mircea_popescu;and how many perigords ? 1378797;1453317058;mircea_popescu;who hated bush and who hated ken rove ? 1378798;1453317073;ascii_butugychag;dafuq is a perigord 1378799;1453317083;ascii_butugychag;carl rove? 1378800;1453317092;mircea_popescu;a was he karl ? 1378801;1453317095;ascii_butugychag;aha 1378802;1453317104;mircea_popescu;aha. 1378803;1453317107;ascii_butugychag;and serious bushitler aficionados did hate ! 1378804;1453317111;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1378805;1453317121;BingoBoingo;Lol, noise holes are suggesting the "miner" Buttfury plans on selling to the public is another 21co style Internet of things device. Just another PiTaTo 1378806;1453317134;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bitfury is utterly evil these days. 1378807;1453317137;*;ascii_butugychag still l0ling over reddit-stratfor hitler 1378808;1453317143;mircea_popescu;apparently there's been a sale last year, and well... 1378809;1453317160;mircea_popescu;the wrong people bought. 1378810;1453317197;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes, just as BitPay went from harmless derps to info collectatron. 1378811;1453317221;BingoBoingo;Except buttfurry has chips and BitPay doesn't 1378812;1453317238;mircea_popescu;to be resolved. 1378813;1453317263;BingoBoingo;Resolving is the funnest part of BitBet 1378814;1453317274;mircea_popescu;lol 1378815;1453317300;BingoBoingo;It's rare, but every now and then a Bet needs BetLawyered in the comments. 1378816;1453317328;BingoBoingo;The S.BBET vs. S.DICE bet was grand 1378817;1453317472;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: ASICMINER tried this and then went bankrupt shortly after. 1378818;1453317484;thestringpuller;The block erupters you could plug into USB. 1378819;1453317490;ascii_butugychag;so mircea_popescu, which 'wrong people' might that be? the ones with 'no money and no engineers' ? 1378820;1453317493;ascii_butugychag;or some other set ? 1378821;1453317510;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of today's business environment is that you can also sell for promise. 1378822;1453317523;mircea_popescu;some do. it's bad for the environment and worse for them, but nevertheless they do. 1378823;1453317553;ascii_butugychag;threat works as well as promise 1378824;1453317561;mircea_popescu;there is no difference between the two. 1378825;1453317570;mircea_popescu;verba volant. 1378826;1453317574;ascii_butugychag;then yes. 1378827;1453317639;mircea_popescu;what starded as a more humane way to disposses the old (see balzac, he describes it in detail), has meanwhile become the universal way to cleave yourself from everything. 1378828;1453317658;mircea_popescu;you say that that's what you do professionally, separate things, and there's merit to the view. but also... some things don't belong apart. 1378829;1453317731;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00263892 = 1.9792 BTC [-] 1378830;1453317981;ascii_butugychag;waiwut 1378831;1453318010;ascii_butugychag;ah. 1378832;1453318061;mod6;no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes. 1378833;1453318067;mod6;Now i have heat. fuckers. 1378834;1453318080;ascii_butugychag;but given the mammalian tendency to 'hate to lose more than loving to win' (as described in a mircea_popescu article !) it makes sense to distinguish 'threat' and 'promise' as items 1378835;1453318093;mircea_popescu;sense, for whom. 1378836;1453318105;mircea_popescu;expediency is no sort of sense 1378837;1453318109;ascii_butugychag;for thinking 1378838;1453318150;ascii_butugychag;and, e.g., bribery vs extortion, rather separate skill sets, no ? 1378839;1453318584;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00263892 = 1.9792 BTC [-] 1378840;1453318654;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1378841;1453318791;mircea_popescu;i don't think so. 1378842;1453318814;mircea_popescu;and i don't even think you mean thinking by "thinking". i think you mean "for daydreaming". like this fellow : 1378843;1453318826;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv/#comment-116277 1378844;1453318827;assbot;Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmTgfU ) 1378845;1453318828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86650 @ 0.00056638 = 49.0768 BTC [+] {3} 1378846;1453318831;mircea_popescu;does it convey or should i translate ? 1378847;1453318847;ascii_butugychag;translate plox 1378848;1453318975;mircea_popescu;the article is "how to be a pimp - a simple guide, easy to understand and exhaustive". which it is. which it exactly is. 1378849;1453319077;mircea_popescu;the fellow says "if i were to be a pimp [ie, the dream mode, because hey, that's what he understood of a discussion of technology, that "being an engineer" is a blessed state, to be obtained through divine grace and / or ordination] i wouldn't beat the women, for they'd be more productive thus. but also, if they piss me off, "dead" directly. you know, like puff daddy. 1378850;1453319101;ascii_butugychag;am i think or what, i don't see the equivalence. bribery and threat are approx. as equivalent as arses and elbows 1378851;1453319104;ascii_butugychag;*thick 1378852;1453319106;mircea_popescu;to which i say that if i were a bird also i wouldn't flap my wings, but merely float. because why not, tis a dream. 1378853;1453319136;mircea_popescu;you're thick. there is no bribe that doesn't contain a threat, nor is there any threat that is anything but a veiled bribe. 1378854;1453319202;mircea_popescu;and nothe that his oh-so-creative "understanding" and "thought process" is both purely symbolic and specifically symbolic. 1378855;1453319215;ascii_butugychag;can haz example? let's say bag man helpfully tells restaranteur, '$x/mo. or your place burns'. where is the hidden bribe ? 1378856;1453319239;mircea_popescu;this fellow's illiterate. he sees the world through eyes of stupidity, which is why he says "dead direct". it's a barbarism in romanian, but he needs to import a foreign symbol because well... sounds better thus. 1378857;1453319248;mircea_popescu;less to explain. "the meaning should be obvious" 1378858;1453319264;ascii_butugychag;now these, everyone has met, i think 1378859;1453319269;ascii_butugychag;'if i were a general...' 1378860;1453319269;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag : if he pays and the place burns next month, what then ? 1378861;1453319276;ascii_butugychag;then 'too bad' ? 1378862;1453319313;mircea_popescu;if he pays and he sees a derp with gasoline fucking around and he calls you up, what then ? 1378863;1453319316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88250 @ 0.00056737 = 50.0704 BTC [+] {2} 1378864;1453319342;ascii_butugychag;i can only guess, but 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine' 1378865;1453319382;ascii_butugychag;the whole no-overlapping-turfs thing is supposed to be guaranteed by turf war, etc. i get it 1378866;1453319386;ascii_butugychag;but in practice, is it ? 1378867;1453319394;mircea_popescu;in practice you'd better do something. 1378868;1453319412;mircea_popescu;nobody ever says that 'go and pay or shoot that one yourself, he's not mine'. ever heard judge say something like that ? 1378869;1453319421;ascii_butugychag;aaaactually 1378870;1453319426;mircea_popescu;judge's the least convincing mobster out there, even he knows he can't really get away with that. 1378871;1453319433;mircea_popescu;(and once he tries, the show stops) 1378872;1453319450;ascii_butugychag;the famous '80s scotus case where 'police are not ~required~ to show up even if they know the hour of your advance murder' thing 1378873;1453319534;mircea_popescu;human speech is in all cases a promise and a threat, together. if you go see a house for rent and you offer 100k, what you are saying is "stand with me and make 100k, or stand aside and damn you all". no matter how faint either side, it's there. it has to be for speech to be meaningful. 1378874;1453319619;BingoBoingo;MEGA LOL http://8btc.com/thread-28217-1-1.html 1378875;1453319624;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nmVQT7 ) 1378876;1453319624;ascii_butugychag;so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ? 1378877;1453319647;mircea_popescu;how should i know what you're doing. 1378878;1453319652;mircea_popescu;do it and i'll tell you. 1378879;1453319700;ascii_butugychag;well you did say 'promise and threat are not separable', no ? 1378880;1453319711;mircea_popescu;yes. 1378881;1453319718;ascii_butugychag;and what, 'what's 2+2?' 'how should i know? go add them and i'll tell you' 1378882;1453319731;mircea_popescu;quite. 1378883;1453319741;*;ascii_butugychag puts on gas mask 1378884;1453319754;mircea_popescu;just because they're not separable does not mean that in consideration and by way of compensation now you get to separate an arbitrary something else. 1378885;1453319802;ascii_butugychag;which else 1378886;1453319802;BingoBoingo;":The results came out, the mine can not afford the risk of the mining machine brick, the Classic will not be upgraded to 2MB of program. " 1378887;1453319857;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: said who, a fishwife in shanghai ? 1378888;1453319862;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag now you want to separate facts from their representation, and have your way with the representation aside. 1378889;1453319863;mircea_popescu;doesn't work. 1378890;1453319897;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Mystery Chinese noise I can not adequately parse on thread preceeded with "MEGA LOL" 1378891;1453319966;*;BingoBoingo does not have a solid idea who 副船长 on 8btc forum is 1378892;1453319966;mircea_popescu;thyey're just bickering about who guessed first what will happen and how fair or unfair it is. 1378893;1453319999;ascii_butugychag;wai wut, when did they invent the 'unfair' crapolade in cn ? 1378894;1453320016;mircea_popescu;remember tank guy ? 1378895;1453320023;ascii_butugychag;aha 1378896;1453320036;mircea_popescu;well... they invented "unfair" crapolade. what the fuck do you think confucianism is ? 1378897;1453320056;ascii_butugychag;i thought it was rather the opposite 1378898;1453320058;mircea_popescu;it infested the brits, they brought it back like the intellectual equivalent of the french pox. 1378899;1453320059;ascii_butugychag;'bow to your betters' 1378900;1453320060;mircea_popescu;nah. 1378901;1453320198;mircea_popescu;that whole narrative is something like "look at these people who gave us syphilis, it finds itself in biological equilibrium in their country and so they don't get it all that much and it's mostly under control - but here, lord! every face is covered! how much better we have it than they do!" 1378902;1453320234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28767 @ 0.00056792 = 16.3374 BTC [+] 1378903;1453320240;mircea_popescu;the brits at the time of their ill advised eastern trip thought nothing of caning children to death, and the general practice was to send off the louts to live as slaves to other people, 1378904;1453320245;mircea_popescu;so as to silence the annoying women. 1378905;1453320256;mircea_popescu;"oh my baby my baby". well now it ain't your baby anymore so stfu. 1378906;1453320417;*;ascii_butugychag often pictures mircea_popescu pushing a messenger into a spiffy stone pit, 'this is SPARTA!~' (tm) (r) 1378907;1453320429;mircea_popescu;lol why the messenger ? 1378908;1453320457;ascii_butugychag;there was a cruddy american film some time in bush era about sparta 1378909;1453320521;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1378910;1453320532;ascii_butugychag;where a persian envoy demanding tribute is shoved into a pit, which appears to have been built and kept around just for said purpose 1378911;1453320545;mircea_popescu;ah. that kind of envoy. 1378912;1453320552;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 1378913;1453320565;BingoBoingo;Twas a cruddy film but of all the comic book to film adaptations, twas the one that has sucked the least 1378914;1453320682;mircea_popescu;so to get back to it : so if i offer a kid a candy, i am threatening him with hunger ? << are you ? 1378915;1453320722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170050 @ 0.00056395 = 95.8997 BTC [-] {2} 1378916;1453320778;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: in the sense of your earlier example, yes 1378917;1453320785;ascii_butugychag;'accept this chocolate, it may be your last!111' 1378918;1453320813;trinque;or simply points out to him his lack of candy, perhaps previously unobserved 1378919;1453320829;mircea_popescu;ok, so then you are. 1378920;1453320838;ascii_butugychag;http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/69279 << unrelated, l0ltr0nic 1378921;1453320839;assbot;code challenge - Build a Compiler Bomb - Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1PFH8gx ) 1378922;1453320879;mircea_popescu;trinque no but he's asking me what he's doing when he's the one doing it. and in all honesty he expects me to answer. i suppose in the same honesty he expects a snippet of code somwhere exists which says "how to subdue women". god knows the PUA subculture's been working tediously at it. 1378923;1453320903;*;trinque nods 1378924;1453320978;trinque;"How do I open my hand?" 1378925;1453320984;trinque;maybe you do, maybe you don't! 1378926;1453321008;ascii_butugychag;but to say that there is 'no difference between promise and thread', just because of this residual treat in the candy, is lunacy 1378927;1453321013;ascii_butugychag;*threat 1378928;1453321019;mircea_popescu;to rest the matter, let's just say that there's excellent reason the us supreme court only rules on actual cases, never on factitious proposition. 1378929;1453321027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79600 @ 0.00056874 = 45.2717 BTC [+] {2} 1378930;1453321036;ascii_butugychag;i thought it was for ddos resistance. 1378931;1453321038;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag they're substantially the same thing, the division is a matter of interpretation. 1378932;1453321052;ascii_butugychag;if you want sheepfucking ruled on, you ~actually must fuck a sheep~ etc 1378933;1453321063;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: seawater and uranium are then also 'same thing' ? 1378934;1453321067;mircea_popescu;laymen famously can not separate the entreatment from the threat in what i say to my slaves. 1378935;1453321106;ascii_butugychag;in application to ~masochists~ i'm not certain they are separable from the outside of the head.. 1378936;1453321108;mircea_popescu;no. but a thing's "width" and its "height" ARE the same thing. 1378937;1453321113;mircea_popescu;they being both a length. 1378938;1453321149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65250 @ 0.00056922 = 37.1416 BTC [+] {3} 1378939;1453321180;mircea_popescu;and while i am not certain "masochists" can be separated from the general population, i am well certain that they are not a category to be, and that you're plenty one yourself. 1378940;1453321249;ascii_butugychag;masochist in the sense where an outsider does not know if 'do x or get beating' is a bribe or a threat 1378941;1453321256;mircea_popescu;and do they ? 1378942;1453321295;mircea_popescu;(that's a particularly poor illustration of what i said, if it tries to be. for one thing i dun think i ever said anything alike.) 1378943;1453321311;ascii_butugychag;this was re: the slave example 1378944;1453321325;mircea_popescu;then yeah, miserable illustration. 1378945;1453321512;deedbot-;[Qntra] Twitter's Jack Dorsey No Longer A Paper Billionaire - http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitters-jack-dorsey-no-longer-a-paper-billionaire/ 1378946;1453321574;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitters-jack-dorsey-no-longer-a-paper-billionaire/ << Updated, forgot the obligatory "Sorry for your loss" on initial publication 1378947;1453321575;assbot;Twitter's Jack Dorsey No Longer A Paper Billionaire | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1T5Q4RB ) 1378948;1453321592;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is how the pedestrian notion of "good" and "evil" is constructed even. let us arbitrarily divide a set of real objects into "only has height" and "only has width". thus therefore the first set are ~obviously~ good, for they allow you to build up! (how will you manage to allign things with no width on top of each other is a consideration best left to any masochistical engineers still stuck in your swampla 1378949;1453321592;mircea_popescu;nd). the others - obviously bad, for all they do is take space on the ground for no good reason! 1378950;1453321609;mircea_popescu;for the least expenditure of intellectual effort possible we have a full socio-political as well as philosophical! 1378951;1453321722;ascii_butugychag;and sleep that night in hilbert's hotel, aha 1378952;1453321737;mircea_popescu;kids no longer getting cubes to play with may have worse implications than originally thought. 1378953;1453321800;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, every ~sane~ female i've ever encountered, had cubes 1378954;1453321820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95500 @ 0.00056369 = 53.8324 BTC [-] 1378955;1453321834;ascii_butugychag;folks who don't witness toppling cubes etc. growing, apparently don't fully grasp cause-effect... 1378956;1453321896;mircea_popescu;this delusion of "i will build" so common in us "activists" and three year olds really needs the natural check of "go ahead". 1378957;1453321917;mircea_popescu;there's even a thing in .ro folklore about this, balada mesterului manole. he keeps building and stuff keeps falling down. 1378958;1453321948;mircea_popescu;seen as a foundational myth to romanian-ness. 1378959;1453321949;ascii_butugychag;wasn't that italian ? 1378960;1453321955;ascii_butugychag;from gianni rodari ? 1378961;1453321959;mircea_popescu;well, yurp. everything's stolen. 1378962;1453321965;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1378963;1453321978;mircea_popescu;(ftr, it's prolly stolen from ro. ie - the ballad itself is very old, older than rome. 1378964;1453321994;mircea_popescu;it comes from a time of pastoral life, when sheep went up the mountains then back down the mountains into dalmatia 1378965;1453322020;mircea_popescu;what the derpy romans interpreted as "dacians invading" was merely continuation of a lyfstyle that had at that time three or four millenia of history behind it. 1378966;1453322028;mircea_popescu;sort of an epic scale bundy farm thing. 1378967;1453322101;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, getting walls to stay the fuck up hadn't been a point of sufficient isnecurity so as to excite the popular immagination for a good 25 centuries by the time rodari came out. 1378968;1453322139;ascii_butugychag;but picture if street derp had to ~build a house~ 1378969;1453322142;ascii_butugychag;like that. 1378970;1453322150;mircea_popescu;ah but this was a famous architect, with a team and all. 1378971;1453322153;mircea_popescu;ten people! 1378972;1453322155;ascii_butugychag;doesn't get to cheat, has to personally stand up the walls 1378973;1453322174;mircea_popescu;"mester" means master, in the ancient sense. 1378974;1453322222;ascii_butugychag;aha, precisely what мастер means in ru 1378975;1453322244;mircea_popescu;"Pe Argeş în gios, pe un mal frumos, Negru-vodă trece cu tovarăşi zece: nouă meşteri mari, calfe şi zidari si Manoli - zece, care-i şi întrece." 1378976;1453322296;mircea_popescu;"down on the river arges, on a nice lawn, teh black king goes with ten people : nine great masters, learned in bricklaying, and manoli, the tenth, who's even better!" 1378977;1453322303;mircea_popescu;from a ~1860 notation of the ballad. 1378978;1453322344;mircea_popescu;(negru voda is the legendary founder & first ruler of wallachia) 1378979;1453322379;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1378980;1453322687;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1378981;1453322687;gribble;848144148.701 1378982;1453322768;pete_dushenski;holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. 1378983;1453322813;ascii_butugychag;for what, 4 months now ? 1378984;1453322825;pete_dushenski;in related nyooz, tevye is just 5 blocks behind now after... restarting. because "waiting it out" isn't a fucking strategy. 1378985;1453322859;mircea_popescu;now look at the garbage in them. 1378986;1453322871;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: restarting is an imaginary remedy 1378987;1453322894;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it's been 80-90% spamola since start of 'stress test' crap 1378988;1453322899;mircea_popescu;aha/ 1378989;1453322908;mircea_popescu;part of why pushing tx fees up is absolutely fucking mandatory already. 1378990;1453322910;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378039 << was thinking same thing as i went to sleep last night. makes perfect sense for connections to work in the way alf proposes here. 1378991;1453322910;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 02:04:07; asciilifeform: the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers 1378992;1453322953;mircea_popescu;yes yes, it's correct. and next thing you know the transactions are no longer publicly relayed (because why the fuck would i give the fee to random miners) and lo and behold we've split in the worst way. 1378993;1453322961;mircea_popescu;unavoidable, yes, but i'd have liked it to come later. 1378994;1453322979;ascii_butugychag;which is why i said '2 tiers' 1378995;1453322988;ascii_butugychag;rather than 'hey fellaz let's all use -connect' 1378996;1453323006;mircea_popescu;but yes, the problem is here : the miners aren't actually doing anything and have no power. for all the posturing, they are at the sheer mercy of the actual bitcoin holders and traders. 1378997;1453323020;mircea_popescu;as the subsidy dies out, trying to be a miner will be a lot like trying to be a lawyer. 1378998;1453323024;pete_dushenski;after watching tevye choke on all the fucking idiots "connect" "disconnect" "socket closed" blahblah, it seemed sane, but the miner relay is, yes, a significant potential boojum 1378999;1453323032;mircea_popescu;oh, you paid 200k to go to duke... so ? starve bitch. 1379000;1453323041;ascii_butugychag;trying to be a miner was an idiot's game since... 2012 ? 1379001;1453323049;mircea_popescu;these idiots keep you safe. 1379002;1453323066;ascii_butugychag;i said before, will say again, this is a bug. 1379003;1453323070;pete_dushenski;like the idiots that give us leccy and internet access. 1379004;1453323078;ascii_butugychag;i don't want a car engine that relies on cockroaches turning little wheels. 1379005;1453323082;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag if it is the matter's not settled. 1379006;1453323086;PeterL; holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. << and fees are still only ~2% of reward 1379007;1453323108;thestringpuller;most of it must be spam then 1379008;1453323151;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "But anyway, to answer a question from the public in more detail : poorly. I've never been this humiliated in my life." << nuts. my mind, it asploded. 1379009;1453323174;PeterL;maybe when you start b-a minerpool, have higher fees required for non-WoT txn's to get included? 1379010;1453323186;mircea_popescu;PeterL vice-versa. 1379011;1453323196;mircea_popescu;the way this works is that whoever mines is on their knees for whoever knows txns. 1379012;1453323207;PeterL;what? people in WoT have to pay more? 1379013;1453323229;mircea_popescu;no, but you will end up doing fee rebates for people who bring you txns 1379014;1453323238;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: what ports can i use for trb while syncing ? and is there a good reason why trb should jump on 8333 without me telling it to, and without being completely synced ? because this seems to be a recurring issue on my end. 1379015;1453323249;PeterL;I was thinking if they are in WoT it is not spam, anything else should be considered spammy and need higher fee? 1379016;1453323277;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: 8333 is the traditional, you can set to whatever else, or not listen at all if you -connect 1379017;1453323279;mircea_popescu;PeterL i doubt it'd be practical to try and get the miner to subsidize the wot. i expect it to work the other way around. 1379018;1453323302;mircea_popescu;unless you're keeping the army for offensive purposes (ie, we do 51% attacks etc), the army costs the town, does not produce for the town. 1379019;1453323302;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: does -addnode auto-invoke 8333 then ? 1379020;1453323315;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: by default yes 1379021;1453323321;pete_dushenski;aha. 1379022;1453323362;pete_dushenski;strange, but ok. 1379023;1453323403;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: read the src, it won't kill you 1379024;1453323406;ascii_butugychag;mega-recommended. 1379025;1453323456;pete_dushenski;indeed. 1379026;1453323546;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378701 << where's a btc-dentist when you need one ? 1379027;1453323546;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 16:36:22; mircea_popescu: the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth 1379028;1453323715;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378747 << heh. sharp title. 1379029;1453323715;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 18:37:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Netherlands Arrests 10 For Money - http://qntra.net/2016/01/netherlands-arrests-10-for-money/ 1379030;1453323747;mircea_popescu;btw, for the racists in attendance : http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml << there's a lot of studies about various haplogroups and genetic history of populations in yurp. 1379031;1453323748;assbot;Haplogroup H (mtDNA) - Eupedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvd1gX ) 1379032;1453323761;mircea_popescu;ask your representative why you can't have it in the 2nd best korea. 1379033;1453324174;ascii_butugychag;have what? 1379034;1453324242;mircea_popescu;extensive genetic studies done, with corresponding considerations of population health, ethnic history, etc. 1379035;1453324305;ben_vulpes;jurov: do you org-mode with evil-mode? 1379036;1453324355;mircea_popescu;with quotes. medical : "Ruiz-Pesini et al. (2000) reported that men belonging to haplogroup H have the lowest risk of asthenozoospermia (reduced sperm motility)." ; "A study by Baudouin et al. (2005) found that members of haplogroup H had increased chance of survival from severe sepsis at 180 days compared with individuals from other haplogroups." 1379037;1453324360;mircea_popescu;ethnohistoric : "Celtic culture was born from the fusion of Indo-European paternal lineages (R1b) with native Central and Western European maternal lineages (including H1, H3, H10, J1c, K1a, T2, U5 and X2)." 1379038;1453324361;mircea_popescu;etc. 1379039;1453324365;jurov;ben_vulpes: yes, but orgmode has original keybindings 1379040;1453324403;mircea_popescu;"From the Bronze Age, R1b male lineages replaced a large percentage of Megalithic Y-haplogroups, but female Megalithic lineages survived almost unchanged in frequency." 1379041;1453324421;mircea_popescu;and for that matter maps of distribution and so on and so forth. 1379042;1453324487;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1379043;1453324501;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: wasn't that what 23 corp. supposedly sold ? 1379044;1453324503;ascii_butugychag;in usa. 1379045;1453324514;mircea_popescu;hey, don't ask me things. i linked you, link me. 1379046;1453324553;mircea_popescu;(but no, 23 corp sold exactly another pitato, which is all the 2nd best korea's good for these days. just like their cell service. or their computers. etc.) 1379047;1453324560;ascii_butugychag;i have not paid the shaman, did not drink the goat blood, will not link 1379048;1453324569;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 1379049;1453324583;ascii_butugychag;well we don't have ~actual~ genetic studies here in usababwe 1379050;1453324587;ascii_butugychag;we have 23 corp. et al. 1379051;1453324592;mircea_popescu;as i said - ask your representative why! 1379052;1453324594;ben_vulpes;jurov: you mean to say that you ditched evil-org for native org? 1379053;1453324602;mircea_popescu;isn't it the best most culture cuntry in world anymore ? 1379054;1453324603;ben_vulpes;(or am i to understand etc etc) 1379055;1453324617;jurov;i am not aware somethin liek evil-org even exists 1379056;1453324630;mircea_popescu;is jurov going to emacs heaven ? 1379057;1453324642;jurov;no, hell 1379058;1453324644;ascii_butugychag;i'm not convinced re: the eu genetic report being a genuine thing either 1379059;1453324653;ascii_butugychag;but perhaps i merely suffer from 'reverse cargocult' 1379060;1453324659;ascii_butugychag;'nobody has airplane, it never existed' 1379061;1453324674;mircea_popescu;well.. it's well published, can always dig into if feel inclined. 1379062;1453324689;jurov;mircea_popescu: i see sample sizes like 200 in a million 1379063;1453324693;jurov;there 1379064;1453324797;mircea_popescu;well yes, genetics is very problematic for this reason. 1379065;1453324818;mircea_popescu;that's what drives the entire "take it easy" angle on genetics. 1379066;1453324871;mircea_popescu;this is unavoidable, incidentally, for the same reason life exists. 1379067;1453324901;mircea_popescu;there's a dozen or so "main" clades. but they are subdivided, and the subdivisions subdivide. there's tens of thousands of subdivisions of the most common subdivisions of the more common clades. 1379068;1453324917;mircea_popescu;if you build a tree and it branches out this bad, you'll rapidly end up with tiny fractions in each branch. 1379069;1453324937;mircea_popescu;and if you don't, syphillis mutates and ends your population cca 1490, sfyl, thanks for playing, 1379070;1453324979;mircea_popescu;still, you know, from that same link : "Lucotte et al. (2010) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared it to that of his mother, Letizia, and his younger sister Caroline. All three shared the same rare 16184T mutation, which places them within haplogroup H15a1b. 1379071;1453324987;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, "Bogdanowicza et al. (2009) tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Prussian Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G)." 1379072;1453325010;mircea_popescu;this is interesting, if not obviously useful. just like all the rest of the stuff. nascent field is typically interesting in this manner but not useful (also in this manner). 1379073;1453325059;mircea_popescu;what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands. 1379074;1453325096;ascii_butugychag;forbidden for very obvious reasons 1379075;1453325138;mircea_popescu;heh. 1379076;1453325143;mircea_popescu;write to your congressman! :D 1379077;1453325247;mircea_popescu;thinking about it... what obvious reasons be those ascii_butugychag ? 1379078;1453325269;ben_vulpes;yes please 1379079;1453325338;ascii_butugychag;well the not-so-seekrit factual basis for the colour warz among the blacks themselves 1379080;1453325347;ascii_butugychag;(as illustrated especially well in haiti) 1379081;1453325364;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1379082;1453325388;mircea_popescu;look at those eu maps, the continent's deeply divided genetically, nobody's fighting. 1379083;1453325446;ascii_butugychag;just referring to the hypothesis, amply supported, that the folks who actually make something of themselves, have proportionately less africa in them 1379084;1453325453;ascii_butugychag;than the other kind. 1379085;1453325484;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see actually good studies on this topic. 1379086;1453325503;ascii_butugychag;and you won't. 1379087;1453325595;ben_vulpes;only 'colour warz' i'm aware of are the preference of crackers for north africans over african americans 1379088;1453325600;mircea_popescu;i somehow doubt there is a good "africa" haplogroup. 1379089;1453325615;mircea_popescu;say Q, it's mostly "huns", whereas N is basically uralics 1379090;1453325623;mircea_popescu;but "huns" here means turks and hungarians and maybe fins. 1379091;1453325633;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41r561/150k_btc_between_personal_holdings_and_associates/ << LOL. "I'm like MP but a big blocker. I'm going to fight him. Bring it on MP" 1379092;1453325649;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what'd be "africa". there's a bunch of major ones. and they are mixed with stuff like the persians, which... invented civilisation. 1379093;1453325679;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller gawd, we;re headed for a "the mp of x" phase of buzzwordism ? 1379094;1453325726;thestringpuller;P. Much. "The MP of big blocks" "The MP of paypal" "The MP of blockstream" 1379095;1453325727;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: subsaharan 1379096;1453325754;mircea_popescu;there's at least three. there's the superhawt, tall, muscular men of pure black. there's the skinny short grayish type. there's more. 1379097;1453325765;mircea_popescu;i bet you at least four haplogroups are "subsaharan". 1379098;1453325770;mircea_popescu;and you'rte thinking congo-ish 1379099;1453325808;ascii_butugychag;o 1379100;1453325814;ascii_butugychag;i'm thinking moar generally 1379101;1453325821;ascii_butugychag;'the folks who stayed behind' (tm) (r) 1379102;1453325865;ascii_butugychag;who existed for millenia and left no ruins worth the mention, never saw the planet until enslaved, etc 1379103;1453325883;mircea_popescu;yeah well... there's that. there's another thing also : a better argument can be brought that the eskimo and the chechens are "worthless neerdowells". and these are very different haplogroups too 1379104;1453325901;mircea_popescu;know what unites, the "failed northerner" with the "failed mountain man" with the "failed subsaharian" ? guess ? 1379105;1453325915;mircea_popescu;obviously, an empire nearby spent many years "helping them". 1379106;1453325916;ascii_butugychag;any honest genetic study would reveal that being related to said folks is, generally, a very serious handicap.. 1379107;1453325924;mircea_popescu;yes, for this reason. 1379108;1453325937;mircea_popescu;the russkis/french/english/ustards will come and help you in the ass. 1379109;1453325999;ascii_butugychag;from what i know of mountain folk (the very endearing chechens esp.) they certainly see the payback they get from the plainsfolk they chronically rape as 'unfair' 1379110;1453326007;mircea_popescu;quite. 1379111;1453326014;mircea_popescu;rape is not a threat but a bribe :) 1379112;1453326018;mircea_popescu;(ask 'em) 1379113;1453326035;ascii_butugychag;'but you're bipedal lambs, lambs aren't supposed to round up village of vermin and shoot' 1379114;1453326082;mircea_popescu;hey... if a man "takes" a woman, when he is done with her it is the woman that carries away bits of the man, not vice-versa. 1379115;1453326085;mircea_popescu;shouldn't she pay ? 1379116;1453326163;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378770 << lol. mega-classic. "friends! friends! lend me your tears!" 1379117;1453326163;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 19:00:27; BingoBoingo: In derpity hurp stoner not rly news https://archive.is/Fb7Qy and https://archive.is/dttpO 1379118;1453326197;*;mircea_popescu hadn't looked before, but on 2nd call... feels compelled. 1379119;1453326226;*;BingoBoingo in my most paranoid moments is tempted to believe to Toomim drug meltdown was orchestrated as an easy way out of the "ClassicCoin" failure 1379120;1453326328;mircea_popescu;i really hope they go with "ultimate" next. it has this flavour of old Vivendi spunk and unemployed, failed "strategists" and "designers" of unplayable reboots of stale franchises. 1379121;1453326362;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1379122;1453326362;mircea_popescu;"To be sure, theres nothing wrong with LSD" bwahahahaha 1379123;1453326371;mircea_popescu;OBVIOUSLY there's nothing wrong. 1379124;1453326380;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: nah that'd be 'reloaded' 1379125;1453326391;mircea_popescu;reloaded is when they know it'll fail. 1379126;1453326407;mircea_popescu;ultimate is when they spend 6 months baiting people on forums pretending they've got the new daikatana 1379127;1453326458;mircea_popescu;anyway... how about Bitcoin Charades ? 1379128;1453326484;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin Dialated! 1379129;1453326486;pete_dushenski;Bitcoin Episode VII 1379130;1453326487;mircea_popescu;The Ballchain Technologies ? 1379131;1453326516;mircea_popescu;maybe even something smooth and classic, like, I Can't Believe It's Not Bitcoin. 1379132;1453326525;ascii_butugychag;nah that's the current prb 1379133;1453326534;ascii_butugychag;ever since the blockheaders thing 1379134;1453326537;jurov;bitbutter 1379135;1453326549;mircea_popescu;Better Living Through Chainology 1379136;1453326570;pete_dushenski;Tastes Good Like a BlockChain Should 1379137;1453326600;mircea_popescu;maybe it could be the world wide dweeb. 1379138;1453326664;pete_dushenski;Live In Our World, Play In Yours 1379139;1453326674;pete_dushenski;(playstation) 1379140;1453326807;mod6;Revenge of the Shitgnomes 1379141;1453326868;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the shitworld works. can't say the name or it vanishes in thin air! 1379142;1453326874;mircea_popescu;didn't you read the stories when you were a kid ? 1379143;1453326874;ascii_butugychag;'snow white and the seven shitgnomes' 1379144;1453326921;mod6;haha. 1379145;1453326921;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it's pretty much a given they were doing her in the butt huh ? given the sizes. 1379146;1453326935;ascii_butugychag;aha! 1379147;1453326947;ascii_butugychag;how else. 1379148;1453327127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 319200 @ 0.00056049 = 178.9084 BTC [-] {4} 1379149;1453327644;mircea_popescu;btw, speaking of inventions etc, anyone know the sad story of Girolamo Fracastoro ? 1379150;1453327663;mircea_popescu;fellow that in early 1500s proposed the germinative theory of disease, but gets no credit for it like ever ? 1379151;1453327677;mircea_popescu;(de contagione et contagiosis morbis) 1379152;1453327734;ascii_butugychag;aha! 1379153;1453327746;ascii_butugychag;or for that matter even lister. 1379154;1453327746;BingoBoingo;I am unfamiliar with this 1379155;1453327853;BingoBoingo;In other news https://archive.is/V4529 1379156;1453327854;assbot;In the pink? Costello bill would allow hunters to wear blaze pink, not just orange | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/20fsK5Z ) 1379157;1453327909;BingoBoingo;"In Wisconsin, there has been some opposition to the measure, though it has passed the Assembly and was scheduled for a Senate vote Wednesday. Opponents included some women hunters who viewed the measure as sexist, and others who see it as pandering to women." << Sexist even though more visible to other armed persons and less visible to deer 1379158;1453328141;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41uhh0/remember_the_forbes_article_something_rotten_in/ <<< yay the SJW's win! No moar racism! 1379159;1453328142;assbot;Remember the Forbes article "Something Rotten In the State of Bitcoin"? I put in a complaint and the writer was forced to change the article. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20ftmZh ) 1379160;1453328160;mircea_popescu;this entire "must wear wrong clothing" while hunting makes us hunting a fucking joke. 1379161;1453328175;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1379162;1453328179;mircea_popescu;no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab 1379163;1453328247;BingoBoingo;American Hunters though suffer the tremendous risk of encountering other US tards 1379164;1453328283;mircea_popescu;that's not fucking hunting. 1379165;1453328290;mircea_popescu;that's waiting in traffic. 1379166;1453328305;ascii_butugychag;to avoid dick cheney !11 1379167;1453328312;BingoBoingo;^ 1379168;1453328337;mircea_popescu;https://tartaul.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/9.jpg << hunters. 1379169;1453328338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20ftUOO ) 1379170;1453328350;pete_dushenski;shinohai: a more effective tactic than mp's legal threats, at least in the case of forbes ;/ 1379171;1453328378;ascii_butugychag;whatever happened with that 1379172;1453328383;mircea_popescu;~nothing. 1379173;1453328386;BingoBoingo;One must understand. US hunter faces dilema. Wear walmart fashion and shoot deer, or settle for eating walmart "meat" 1379174;1453328435;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo one understands, still doth not approve. 1379175;1453328464;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski depends what you're trying to achieve. if you're trying to achieve more forbes, then yes. 1379176;1453328475;BingoBoingo;I just find the potential to change the rural aesthetic lulzy if Blaze pink does work better. 1379177;1453328477;mircea_popescu;if you're trying to achieve less forbes, then you will have to shoot them. 1379178;1453328497;mircea_popescu;firing off some wartnings before actually shooting is considered the polite and civilised way where i come from. 1379179;1453328608;ascii_butugychag;unrelatedly, a crapple pad and one of the apps offered for that machine actually make an ok trb reader 1379180;1453328610;pete_dushenski;well, it'll certainly be fun to watch forbes pretend that "we never saw this coming" and "why didn't you warn us" 1379181;1453328614;ascii_butugychag;for use in trains 1379182;1453328630;ascii_butugychag;i finally discovered a use ! 1379183;1453328632;pete_dushenski;what app ? 1379184;1453328642;ascii_butugychag;'codenavigator' 1379185;1453328648;ascii_butugychag;by some cn dude 1379186;1453328831;BingoBoingo;In other duelling heresies https://archive.is/hwH2l 1379187;1453328831;assbot;Fans’ Intense Love For Fallout: New Vegas Must Be Weird For Bethesda ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvccB ) 1379188;1453328872;mircea_popescu;i loved fallout, but really hated "tactics" and stopped bothering. 1379189;1453328875;mircea_popescu;1 and 2 tho... 1379190;1453328895;mod6; <+mircea_popescu> no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab << i wear blaze 1379191;1453328912;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/cadeti-afara-doi/ 1379192;1453328912;assbot;Cadeti afara (doi) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvjoD ) 1379193;1453328918;mod6;otherwise someone might be like, "bird! oh no that's just mod6." 1379194;1453328921;mircea_popescu;mod6 what color is blaze ? 1379195;1453328946;mod6;bright orange 1379196;1453328957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149118 @ 0.00056515 = 84.274 BTC [+] {2} 1379197;1453328978;mod6;lot of deer hunters wear just camo patterns of green/brown tho 1379198;1453328981;BingoBoingo;New proposal is a second color named Blaze which is a bright pink. 1379199;1453328991;mod6;it used to be that, i'm told. 1379200;1453328992;mircea_popescu;a ok 1379201;1453328998;BingoBoingo;It would be so incredibly lulzy 1379202;1453329000;ascii_butugychag;this is unpleasantly reminiscent of the unicode faces thread 1379203;1453329013;mod6;back in the day there were laws that said 'you must wear neon pink'. 1379204;1453329035;BingoBoingo;Depends on if deer actually are more blind to pink chosen as Blaze2 1379205;1453329087;ascii_butugychag;iirc deer sees in greyscale 1379206;1453329104;mod6;if not wearing a suit (basically, weekends) i wear this coat: http://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/Mount%27N-Prairie-Buck-Soft-Parka---Naked-North-Blaze/0000000036897?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping%2Bsearch&utm_campaign=google%2Bproduct%20search&gslfah&gclid=CJrjq9y4ucoCFQesaQod8UgMTQ 1379207;1453329106;assbot;Mount'N Prairie Buck Soft Parka - Naked North Blaze - Mills Fleet Farm ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvHUe ) 1379208;1453329182;mod6;and a blaze stocking cap. nothing else i have in the jacket/hat department is warm enough for dec/jan/feb 1379209;1453329186;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Something like that 1379210;1453329825;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/wgC6B << Tesla does the Avalon pre-Order scam if you try to buy used 1379211;1453329826;assbot;How Elon Musk Stole My Car | Atlantic.Net ... ( http://bit.ly/20fxU1V ) 1379212;1453330004;mircea_popescu;lol! 1379213;1453330018;mircea_popescu;it's not a scam, it's consensus! 1379214;1453330068;mircea_popescu;"After working with Kevin for a few weeks, I was able to find a car that met my needs in Pasadena, California." 1379215;1453330091;mircea_popescu;holy shit the attention span of these derps ?! they actually will fuck around for weeks over a product they're not even that interested in with some random salesdude ? 1379216;1453330130;BingoBoingo;Well, interested enough to have put down a deposit 1379217;1453330176;mircea_popescu;no, that was after. 1379218;1453330180;BingoBoingo;Aha 1379219;1453330212;BingoBoingo;But yes, this is what selling to the derps who have paper wealth is like 1379220;1453330264;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1379221;1453330273;ascii_butugychag;it still boggles my mind that somebody would buy, for personally sitting in, a $100k machine that doesn't fly. 1379222;1453330322;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it's actually less than what it costs to makew by a long shot. im surprised you'e not buying one. 1379223;1453330338;mircea_popescu;try buying electric engine + battery apart, same specs, an see 1379224;1453330358;mircea_popescu;now, driving this assemblage as if it were a car is the height of ridiculousness. 1379225;1453330371;ascii_butugychag;dafuq would i do with such a thing l0l 1379226;1453330377;mircea_popescu;however, uses for either item are readily apparent in a minifactory/macrolab the sort a boy genius may have built himself. 1379227;1453330379;ascii_butugychag;for one thing you need a garage. 1379228;1453330384;ascii_butugychag;for another, money 1379229;1453330396;mircea_popescu;no, you actually need a warehouse 1379230;1453330401;mircea_popescu;a, yes, you do need money. 1379231;1453330452;ascii_butugychag;and my petrol car works great 1379232;1453330464;mircea_popescu;"If Tesla is logging interactions with their customers (like phone-calls) to a national database, why didnt they notice that someone was calling in and only getting voicemail. Shouldnt this be a red-flag, or shouldnt someone at Telsa HQ be reaching out to find out why/whats going on/why someone keeps calling so often?" 1379233;1453330465;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1379234;1453330474;mircea_popescu;tesla should run a sexphone service for boring ustards! 1379235;1453330482;mircea_popescu;USTARD LIVES MATTER!111 1379236;1453330485;mircea_popescu;not in this world, bub. 1379237;1453330549;ascii_butugychag;actually i will point out, re: earlier observation, that the battery and motor are worth, using the free market (ebay) metric, 10k max 1379238;1453330565;ascii_butugychag;the rest, as with other idiot golden toilets, is for 'intellectual proooooperty' 1379239;1453330568;ascii_butugychag;pooperty. 1379240;1453330572;*;BingoBoingo just like the Irony of Musk personally wrecking derps car into undeliverability after deposit placed 1379241;1453330577;mircea_popescu;no wae ?! 1379242;1453330596;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what did you look at ? 1379243;1453330604;ascii_butugychag;folks have been building electromobiles for decades 1379244;1453330606;ascii_butugychag;out of scrap 1379245;1453330615;ascii_butugychag;a century, even 1379246;1453330625;mircea_popescu;but what did you look at ? 1379247;1453330663;mircea_popescu;https://www.teslamotors.com/support/model-s-specifications << imbeciles don't list battery capacity. wtf is with these people. 1379248;1453330664;assbot;Model S Specifications | Tesla Motors ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5krH2 ) 1379249;1453330680;ascii_butugychag;take, say, 1379250;1453330681;ascii_butugychag;http://www.ebay.com/itm/200-HP-RELIANCE-ELECTRICAL-MOTOR-TYPE-T-R-U326781-T1-/252252847844 1379251;1453330682;assbot;200 HP Reliance Electrical Motor Type T R U326781 T1 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5kt1G ) 1379252;1453330683;mircea_popescu;"70 kWh or 85 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery". what the fuck does this mean. 1379253;1453330714;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Why list a capacity that is just going to rapidly decay as soon as it leaves the lot? 1379254;1453330731;ben_vulpes;> thought questions 1379255;1453330734;ben_vulpes;wth 1379256;1453330743;BingoBoingo;Li-ion decays much faster than RTG 1379257;1453330745;mircea_popescu;so what do you think is a fair price per li/ion kWh, ascii_butugychag ? 1379258;1453330751;mircea_popescu;new. 1379259;1453330808;mircea_popescu;seems about 10 bux per Wh, off the boat ? 1379260;1453330841;ascii_butugychag;for very small, prepackaged cells 1379261;1453330845;mircea_popescu;even at 1/10 that, 70kWh battery is then 70k. 1379262;1453330853;mircea_popescu;these are kinda small, prepackaged. 1379263;1453330874;mircea_popescu;anyway, "very small" as in 1-10 Ah, 12-18 V sort of thing. medium 1379264;1453330888;mircea_popescu;very small is 4.95 for .6 Ah or such 1379265;1453330907;mircea_popescu;.06* 1379266;1453330944;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, i sure as fuck wouldn't use li ion 1379267;1453330948;ascii_butugychag;mega-scam. 1379268;1453330957;ascii_butugychag;decays rapidly. 1379269;1453330965;mircea_popescu;well i guess there's that. 1379270;1453330973;mircea_popescu;but still, Three phase, four pole AC induction motor with copper rotor << this thing is well over 10k at that power. 1379271;1453330984;ascii_butugychag;i linked to the motor. 1379272;1453330984;mircea_popescu;so, yeah, just the scavengeable parts retail for less in the tesla than they would outside. 1379273;1453330992;ascii_butugychag;and why the fuck would i buy a new one?! 1379274;1453331011;mircea_popescu;and you also get a chassis in which you could perhaps put a sane engine. 1379275;1453331020;ascii_butugychag;mno, no transmission 1379276;1453331032;mircea_popescu;dude that shit you linked... jesus god. yes, you can get a zamac thing for "1500". 1379277;1453331048;mircea_popescu;used. no copper. etc. 1379278;1453331060;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i think these pre-date the zamac thing 1379279;1453331065;mircea_popescu;lol 1379280;1453331065;ascii_butugychag;hell, i'd buy a soviet motor 1379281;1453331068;ascii_butugychag;built for lifts. 1379282;1453331092;deedbot-;[Ossasepia] Making Patterns on Euloran Soil - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/21/making-patterns-on-euloran-soil/ 1379283;1453331096;ascii_butugychag;but this is lunacy, i will build own car right after i build own woman. 1379284;1453331123;mircea_popescu;some people like it. 1379285;1453331191;ascii_butugychag;no doubt. 1379286;1453331203;ascii_butugychag;i even would like it, if i liked being in cars. 1379287;1453331208;ascii_butugychag;which i don't. 1379288;1453331536;mod6;!up hanbot 1379289;1453331541;mod6;!up shinohai 1379290;1453331583;hanbot;howdy 1379291;1453331593;mod6;how's it goin? 1379292;1453331783;hanbot;eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions. 1379293;1453331894;trinque;fire away 1379294;1453332183;mod6;<+hanbot> eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions. << cool! i need some sunshine myself. 1379295;1453332190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92253 @ 0.00055802 = 51.479 BTC [-] {2} 1379296;1453332200;mod6;is this an x86-64 box? 1379297;1453332387;mod6;'sgottabe if its new 1379298;1453332395;mod6;win 1379299;1453332441;hanbot;mhm 1379300;1453332553;mod6;https://adamsarson.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/riding-the-bull.gif 1379301;1453332558;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SxTwoV ) 1379302;1453333337;mod6;who wants to help ole mod6? 1379303;1453333361;mod6;!up shinohai 1379304;1453333384;shinohai;heh I need to verify 1379305;1453333388;mod6;i need separate sets of eyes to review this logic part here for low-s: 1379306;1453333390;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2MRYCCX.txt 1379307;1453333391;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrJpu3 ) 1379308;1453333443;mod6;the first line is the actual tx, and this part "DEBUG DER S: " comes from: printf("DEBUG DER S: 0x%s\n", BN_bn2hex(sig->s)); 1379309;1453333512;mod6;so anyway, i *think* that one is correct. 1379310;1453333565;shinohai;Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/ 1379311;1453333601;mod6;paste your command string in here. 1379312;1453333610;mod6;we'll get it figured out 1379313;1453333697;shinohai;nohup bitcoind -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -logtimestamps -myip=127.0.0.1 -verifyall 2>&1 & 1379314;1453333731;mod6;asciilifeform: ^^ 1379315;1453333746;mod6;does bitcoind start, even if the verstring doesn't change? 1379316;1453333762;shinohai;Yeah it starts and shows no errors in logs or anything. 1379317;1453333777;mod6;just still has version 9.99.99 or whatever it is? 1379318;1453333796;mod6;(instead of 9.99.97) ? 1379319;1453333803;shinohai;yup. still shows 9.99.99 in start and when I do getinfo 1379320;1453333816;mod6;hmm. 1379321;1453333866;shinohai;But - needless distraction for I am sure you need to concentrate the real effort on this S value problem. >.> 1379322;1453333897;shinohai;If it comes back with a version of "Bitcoin Classic XT" I'm done. 1379323;1453334020;mod6;lel 1379324;1453334319;pete_dushenski;;;ticker 1379325;1453334321;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 418.51, Best ask: 419.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 419.0, 24 hour volume: 82673.72424267, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1379326;1453334339;thestringpuller;Announcing Bitcoin Classic Lite 1379327;1453334385;jurov;80 kWh in "consumer" li-ion cells is ~60k 1379328;1453334388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00055802 = 17.9682 BTC [-] 1379329;1453334391;jurov;60k$ 1379330;1453334423;jurov;did the same calculation about nimh, it actually comes out similar 1379331;1453334441;jurov;while you need more sells, nimh should be less fickle 1379332;1453334445;jurov;*more cells 1379333;1453334526;jurov;and they will self-discharge 4% per day, nothing for occassional usage :D 1379334;1453334632;mod6;i need chalk board 1379335;1453335715;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378832 << wd mate. what year's your suburban ? 1379336;1453335715;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 19:27:41; mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes. 1379337;1453335846;pete_dushenski;;;later tell gabrielradio plox to translate http://trilema.com/2012/cum-sa-fii-peste-ghid-simplu-pe-inteles-si-exhaustiv/ :) 1379338;1453335847;assbot;Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcOEDt ) 1379339;1453335847;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1379340;1453336066;mod6;pete_dushenski: thx, it's old '08 1379341;1453336078;mod6;new ones are like seventyfive racks 1379342;1453336106;pete_dushenski;body style changed in 07 tho, neh ? 1379343;1453336120;pete_dushenski;2014/15 or w/e is but ugly with those spangly leds 1379344;1453336127;mod6;yeah, a bit. the new ones look even less curvy than mine,... more of a boxy look 1379345;1453336180;mod6;i guess im just happy that i have windows that roll up and heat. that old shitter that i got for free (basically) was pretty cold driving down the freeway at 65mph when it's -25 F. 1379346;1453336194;mod6;and there were some sort of vermin living in there. 1379347;1453336205;pete_dushenski;tbh i like yours the best. but i might just be partial to that gen because i sold a couple of 'em in my day even ;) 1379348;1453336235;mod6;its a pretty nice vehicle. its like all the power of a full-size truck with some extra seating. 1379349;1453336268;mod6;you never know when you might need to fit 7 hookers in the car. 1379350;1453336276;shinohai;^ 1379351;1453336287;pete_dushenski;or a 72-point buck 1379352;1453336295;mod6;shit, yeah. 1379353;1453336351;pete_dushenski;trucks are all about "what if..." 1379354;1453336898;pete_dushenski;http://bankunderground.co.uk/2016/01/20/the-cheque-republic-money-in-a-modern-economy-with-no-banks/ 1379355;1453336899;assbot;The cheque republic: money in a modern economy with no banks. | Bank Underground ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyVZ5J ) 1379356;1453336980;pete_dushenski;^ireland in 1970s as case study 1379357;1453337134;pete_dushenski;http://arxiv.org/pdf/1601.03313v1.pdf << maybe clitler is using robo-speech writers already ? 1379358;1453337136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcQaFr ) 1379359;1453337201;pete_dushenski;"Many political speeches show the same structures and same characteristics regardless of the actual topic. Some phrases and arguments appear again and again and indicate a certain political affiliation or opinion. We want to use these remarkable patterns to train a system that generates new speeches" 1379360;1453337303;pete_dushenski;obviously the 'researchers' were able to take us congressional floor debates, chop 'em up, and spit out something that sounds no worse. garbage in, garbage out. now try this with actual debates from actual history and see how far you get. my guess : not far. 1379361;1453337377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43252 @ 0.00055742 = 24.1095 BTC [-] {2} 1379362;1453337732;BingoBoingo;Last block, quite the stinker by F2Pool 1379363;1453337760;pete_dushenski;how so ? 1379364;1453337836;BingoBoingo;Long verification time. 1379365;1453337908;ben_vulpes;mod6: didja ever share an actual patch for the code you're working on? brief face-grep through logs reveals nada 1379366;1453338087;mod6;no i haven't yet. 1379367;1453338109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00055816 = 44.904 BTC [+] 1379368;1453338117;mod6;thanks for asking. i just went through my high-S enforcement code by hand, and i know for sure that I have an error in there. about to fix it and try that out. 1379369;1453338666;mod6;ok changes made. gonna recompile send some test txn, then if all *seems* well, will share my vpatch 1379370;1453339031;*;mod6 is not a fan of the style used in here 1379371;1453339038;mod6;(the code) 1379372;1453339043;mod6;it's like 1379373;1453339049;mod6;if (thing) 1379374;1453339051;mod6;{ 1379375;1453339055;mod6; // stuff 1379376;1453339057;mod6;} 1379377;1453339066;mod6;rather than: 1379378;1453339072;mod6;if(thing) { 1379379;1453339074;mod6; // stuff 1379380;1453339075;mod6;} 1379381;1453339109;mod6;guess its just a personal pref. *shrug* 1379382;1453339386;mod6;i guess this is funny because back when I first started writing code, a hundred million internet years ago, i liked the first way better. 1379383;1453339389;mod6;go figure. 1379384;1453339799;mod6;;;later tell pete_dushenski Salud! 1379385;1453339800;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1379386;1453339908;BingoBoingo;some of these comments https://archive.is/Nnd81 1379387;1453339909;assbot;So Gavin, will you hold the repository keys to Main Bitcoin classic repo ? : Bitcoin_Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnnEC5 ) 1379388;1453340077;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 1379389;1453340078;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.6, Best ask: 422.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 422.61, 24 hour volume: 82797.3201925, 24 hour low: 377.17, 24 hour high: 428.0, 24 hour vwap: None 1379390;1453340191;mircea_popescu;this death is unimpressive. 1379391;1453340243;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1379392;1453340245;mircea_popescu;turns out all the "richest country in the world" could muster was a coupla days' of 10% and a readily defeated pair of anonymous junkies. 1379393;1453340263;mircea_popescu;reminds me of a story of rachel welch's bra and the most important man in the world. 1379394;1453340269;BingoBoingo;Couldn't keep it up any longer than it too ACH to clear new fiat into exchanges 1379395;1453340278;deedbot-;[Qntra] IMF: Bitcoin Features Present "Risks" To Us - http://qntra.net/2016/01/imf-bitcoin-features-present-risks-to-us/ 1379396;1453340368;mircea_popescu;heh. the imf has no trb mandate, nor will it. 1379397;1453340378;mircea_popescu;so that settles that. 1379398;1453340924;BingoBoingo;pretty much 1379399;1453341010;mod6;;;tslb 1379400;1453341015;gribble;Time since last block: 18 minutes and 8 seconds 1379401;1453341720;mod6;;;tslb 1379402;1453341725;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 59 seconds 1379403;1453342572;mircea_popescu;;;tslf 1379404;1453342572;gribble;Error: "tslf" is not a valid command. 1379405;1453342575;mircea_popescu;awww. 1379406;1453342628;mod6;i got another tx dropped on the floor. im also 2 blocks behind, so not sure if it cares. 1379407;1453342634;mircea_popescu;shouldn't. 1379408;1453342647;mircea_popescu;this is turning into quite the bitch is it ? 1379409;1453342649;mod6;this test tx was processed by the original code. 1379410;1453342661;mod6;mircea_popescu: eh, ya. but worthwhile. 1379411;1453342676;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, an instructive foray into the incredible fragility of the network. 1379412;1453342677;mod6;here's the tx: bf990fa50a4ea2c13dbe8f65c42c5fcb7b3439109b0c2d0e22081960a9c5fe9a 1379413;1453342686;mod6;yah, no doubt. 1379414;1453342748;mircea_popescu;i can't see it anywhere. it never propagated past your next hop odds are. 1379415;1453342787;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2SCEN42.txt 1379416;1453342789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxTcm4 ) 1379417;1453342793;mod6;yeah, im sure it never made it out 1379418;1453342805;mod6;just kinda documenting here a bit. 1379419;1453342852;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/41vjyp/pay_no_attention_to_sky_high_pe_ratios_outlandish/ << who's this ? 1379420;1453342853;assbot;Pay no attention to sky high P/E ratios, outlandish global debt, or market selling restrictions. Continue to transfer your hard earned money to fund managers, like a good citizen. : investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxTmdh ) 1379421;1453342853;mod6;first tx with original code went through np. 1379422;1453343074;mircea_popescu;in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? 1379423;1453343283;mircea_popescu;anyway, what's the true truth of truthiness BingoBoingo, is hearn quitted or did he quit like stolfi ? 1379424;1453343568;mod6;another dropped on the floor. 1379425;1453343580;mod6;im gonna do 3 per option: orig/low/high 1379426;1453343582;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2KVKR0N.txt 1379427;1453343583;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SycRGl ) 1379428;1453343588;mod6;(a work in progress) 1379429;1453344148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148119 @ 0.00055714 = 82.523 BTC [-] {2} 1379430;1453344535;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He's prolly going to turn Stolfi, haven't tracked to see if he's done so already 1379431;1453344595;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet 1379432;1453344819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00055608 = 27.2201 BTC [-] {2} 1379433;1453344932;BingoBoingo;"end on January" 1379434;1453344953;BingoBoingo;Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire 1379435;1453345756;mod6;first low-s tx made it through. 1379436;1453346782;mod6;;;tslb 1379437;1453346785;gribble;Time since last block: 16 minutes and 57 seconds 1379438;1453347337;mod6;wtf is bitcoin classic? 1379439;1453347352;mod6;WE have bitcoin "classic", not these pinwheels 1379440;1453347355;mod6;if(SHITGNOMES) { char *classic = "manyRadicalDeltasFromPointOfOrigin"; } 1379441;1453347382;mod6;;;tslb 1379442;1453347386;gribble;Time since last block: 34 seconds 1379443;1453347446;mod6;hey waddya know, i've got a block before btc.blockr.io 1379444;1453347489;BingoBoingo;sweet 1379445;1453347612;mod6;2nd low-s tx went through 1379446;1453347668;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "Our best hope to get miners to run bitcoin-classic or XT, is to beg super-hard for it." 1379447;1453347697;mod6;else { char *classic = "trb"; } 1379448;1453347801;BingoBoingo;lol 1379449;1453347936;mod6;alrighty, 3rd low-S tx made it through 1379450;1453347991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94453 @ 0.00056344 = 53.2186 BTC [+] {3} 1379451;1453348450;mod6;alright, now for the high-S txn 1379452;1453348567;mod6;dear lord, i've had like 9 crackers with cheddar today and like 3 mtdews. 1379453;1453348771;mats;1337 1379454;1453348965;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1379455;1453348966;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24QXFYN.txt ) 1379456;1453349543;mod6;haha 1379457;1453350159;mod6;first high-S tx went through o_O 1379458;1453350314;BingoBoingo;cool 1379459;1453350403;mod6;im pretty sure that one was mallated. 1379460;1453350489;mod6;my S value spit out into the debug.log isn't contained in the hex data in the tx: DEBUG DER S: 0xBE8E2E74EBE2618A27D50E0A1D02B33BCE8188940AA22967E9E01AD4D140AB0F 1379461;1453350499;mod6;but the R value is 1379462;1453350508;mod6;DEBUG DER R: 0xB16F69B135317A54C96C0EA8882C295DB05B7BD4598FDE42865983A1AEBB3E63 1379463;1453350532;mod6;https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/893d003f806a5bce121a71e84c260e7879cb6c5464ef93132c0b79e60ff7ff66?limit=50&includeHex=true 1379464;1453350533;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S60aRT ) 1379465;1453350552;BingoBoingo;Yeah, the active malleation of transactions that happen to be High-S is a pain. 1379466;1453350579;mod6;yeah, but i guess thats to be expected since these three are supposed to all be high-s. 1379467;1453350736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139796 @ 0.00056486 = 78.9652 BTC [+] 1379468;1453351056;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1379469;1453351063;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 416.43, vol: 24039.42500346 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.548, vol: 17276.22672 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 417.26, vol: 84398.47923601999 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 15.6217475 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.02392, vol: 92889.43150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 418.3225, vol: 793.13561663 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.984475, vol: 143.90607164 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1379470;1453351137;BingoBoingo;;;more 1379471;1453351138;gribble;average: 420.403324341 1379472;1453351465;mod6;this is interesting... that tx '893d003f806a5bce121a71e84c260e7879cb6c5464ef93132c0b79e60ff7ff66' hasn't been confirmed yet 1379473;1453351499;mod6;oooo crap forgot to set the fee to 0.001 after restarting. 1379474;1453351513;mod6;maybe it'll get picked up eventually. 1379475;1453351564;BingoBoingo;Just double spend it with a higher fee 1379476;1453351651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62428 @ 0.00056962 = 35.5602 BTC [+] {2} 1379477;1453351679;mod6;ok second high-s tx went through 1379478;1453351756;mod6;this one looks malleated too 1379479;1453351769;mod6;https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/d61de63de9cd9b38d1a2a478e5d6c5f017f9a573e4e84ca3cc9bbc1128d3ddeb?limit=50&includeHex=true 1379480;1453351769;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S62KqP ) 1379481;1453351785;mod6;DEBUG DER R: 0x11E986930067BA31716E2D880F6660ABFC3C7C6927C94E0AF6CB4C0CD6315D5B << is found in hex 1379482;1453351794;mod6;DEBUG DER S: 0xC541A295514D6BF4BEF30599DC7F8A18BEC9B6B3F615D94F847AD154D4DCBB45 << is not 1379483;1453351997;deedbot-;[Qntra] Fiat Markets Continue Slide As fiat/BTC Interface Prices Recover - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-markets-continue-slide-as-fiatbtc-interface-prices-recover/ 1379484;1453352029;BingoBoingo;^ Whole post is ReadMoar'd on front page because footnote 1379485;1453352069;BingoBoingo;But do read post for news on Bitcoin's new All Time High versus Oil 1379486;1453352566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77204 @ 0.00056883 = 43.916 BTC [-] 1379487;1453353035;mod6;third high-s tx was malleated also, went through, was confirmed as were previous two 1379488;1453353207;mod6;here's my testing notes: http://dpaste.com/32KDF7E.txt 1379489;1453353208;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S65zbm ) 1379490;1453353503;mod6;mircea_popescu ben_vulpes asciilifeform et. al. please review: http://dpaste.com/1E2CM6R.txt 1379491;1453353504;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20g2kRD ) 1379492;1453356330;BingoBoingo;!up cashforbtc 1379493;1453357957;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvq07KBfhnQ 1379494;1453357958;assbot;Uber Driver Gets A Free (Unwanted) Interior Car Cleaning - "You've Got Mail!!" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QfSdHQ ) 1379495;1453358301;punkman;"The Uber driver was too good of a person and decided to take a cash settlement instead of pressing charges. In his words, "...she was crying (and) said (she) was sorry for everything." I don't want to disclose the amount the driver was paid, but can say he could only use the money to pay his cellphone bill and maybeee his cable bill." 1379496;1453358320;punkman;not sure who's more despicable now 1379497;1453359276;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379420 > https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/3bys9m/wife_inherited_10_million_were_so_lost_its_not/ 1379498;1453359276;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 02:20:53; assbot: Pay no attention to sky high P/E ratios, outlandish global debt, or market selling restrictions. Continue to transfer your hard earned money to fund managers, like a good citizen. : investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxTmdh ) 1379499;1453359277;assbot;Wife inherited 10 million. We're so lost it's not even funny. : personalfinance ... ( http://bit.ly/1QfTjmS ) 1379500;1453361058;BingoBoingo;Anon derp doom talk http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/us-center-global-economic-meltdown 1379501;1453361059;assbot;The U.S. Is At The Center Of The Global Economic Meltdown | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGxzOf ) 1379502;1453363180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00055845 = 22.0867 BTC [-] 1379503;1453363240;BingoBoingo;those comments https://sli.mg/a/y45JZC 1379504;1453363241;assbot;Album hosted on sli.mg ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2NxE ) 1379505;1453363261;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/X4uNtS.gif 1379506;1453363263;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2TFs ) 1379507;1453363320;BingoBoingo;same age https://i.imgur.com/Hokvwn5.jpg 1379508;1453363321;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2YZO ) 1379509;1453365494;punkman;http://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/01/be-more-like-god.html 1379510;1453365495;assbot;Mr. Mean-Spirited: BE MORE LIKE GOD ... ( http://bit.ly/1nb58Rr ) 1379511;1453366347;BingoBoingo;Looks like some Individuals in the UK are starting to fight back against Obesity https://archive.is/OOwAk 1379512;1453366348;assbot;Campaigners slam 'extremely worrying' comments blaming young woman for being punched - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1nb6hIX ) 1379513;1453366527;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/805387 1379514;1453366529;assbot;17 year old (!!!) obeast takes fat hate in the face | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1RUGYIk ) 1379515;1453366534;BingoBoingo;^ Mine where found at 1379516;1453367188;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - "Mad Max: Fury Road" wins Oscar for Best Picture - http://bitbet.us/bet/1241/mad-max-fury-road-wins-oscar-for-best/#b10 1379517;1453367930;punkman;;;obip 10000 1379518;1453367932;gribble;Bitfinex | The weighted average price of BTC, 10000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 414.85558 USD. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds 1379519;1453368660;BingoBoingo;The other Toomim presenting his version of history https://archive.is/nCavo 1379520;1453368661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vaf6xv ) 1379521;1453368894;BingoBoingo;But basically this Hearnia is painting Janssens and some Obeast named "Marshall Long" as the reasons for the adverserial nature of ClassicCoin. Framing of course because it's what good instruments do so he can try to relevant himself again in six months 1379522;1453369030;BingoBoingo;Seriously though the Marshall long fellow looks like Gavin ate Gavin 1379523;1453369047;BingoBoingo;And is attached to a bunch of scams 1379524;1453369121;BingoBoingo;"Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:02:oh darn, i already sold my bitcoin to pay for electricity a few days ago..." 1379525;1453369330;BingoBoingo;Turd's too long to read really. Just try searching it for names and terms that should be in actual discussions about bitcoin and be astounded when they don't show up. 1379526;1453370148;punkman;BingoBoingo: *Karpeles ate Gavin 1379527;1453370190;BingoBoingo;We might actually be underestimating here 1379528;1453370258;BingoBoingo;Google images suggests a BMI between 55 and 75 1379529;1453370297;BingoBoingo;Solidly past the point of rag on a stick 1379530;1453370404;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CY8nGwJUAAAey-R.jpg:large 1379531;1453370405;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1T7NquS ) 1379532;1453370565;copypaste;woah woah woah, BMI 55? 1379533;1453370628;copypaste;surprised anyone at that weight is still alive 1379534;1453370651;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Apparently you don't Walmart enough 1379535;1453370655;copypaste;i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31. 1379536;1453370658;BingoBoingo;In other news http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-markets-continue-slide-as-fiatbtc-interface-prices-recover/#comment-41725 1379537;1453370659;assbot;Fiat Markets Continue Slide As fiat/BTC Interface Prices Recover | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1T7O8rN ) 1379538;1453370662;copypaste;i'm 3'1" 1379539;1453370672;BingoBoingo;That's reasonable. 1379540;1453370755;BingoBoingo;You're skeleton's state if it wasn't a fragile mess is a mystery. 1379541;1453370799;copypaste;indeed 1379542;1453370803;BingoBoingo;It's one thing to have a condition. It's another thing to have condishuns. 1379543;1453370811;copypaste;hahaha. yes i know what you mean. 1379544;1453371026;BingoBoingo;It's not like your bones are failing because you decided to test the limits of normal anatomy by butter huffing your way to 500+ pounds 1379545;1453371110;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 486 @ 0.00263159 = 1.279 BTC [-] 1379546;1453371123;BingoBoingo;There really ought to be a moral test to get a scooty puff. 1379547;1453371432;BingoBoingo;A person who lacks the self preservation drive to eat themselves to the mass of two NFL linebackers should have to risk blowing out their knee traversing the walmart. 1379548;1453371999;punkman;BingoBoingo: anything interesting in the jtoomim logz? 1379549;1453373251;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35356112 1379550;1453373252;assbot;Sunny Leone wows web over grilling about porn past - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnTuhQ ) 1379551;1453375258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59922 @ 0.00055868 = 33.4772 BTC [+] {2} 1379552;1453377942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18930 @ 0.00055927 = 10.587 BTC [+] 1379553;1453378003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87896 @ 0.00056139 = 49.3439 BTC [+] 1379554;1453379062;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379431 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1368129 1379555;1453379062;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 02:49:55; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet 1379556;1453379062;assbot;Logged on 12-01-2016 16:57:11; psztorc: So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow. 1379557;1453379077;mircea_popescu;!rated psztorc 1379558;1453379077;assbot;You rated user psztorc on 23-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Has no idea what post-structuralism is. Just like everyone else.. 1379559;1453379122;mircea_popescu;dude has no fucking idea a) what likely means ; b) what a gentleman's duty is, the next day after emitting in the forum an enormity like that. 1379560;1453379162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63250 @ 0.00056975 = 36.0367 BTC [+] {2} 1379561;1453379190;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378739 << yeah. and as i wait, so does the play wait. the itches i get aren't in any sense in my body, for i wash. they're in the body politic, all. 1379562;1453379190;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 18:31:11; ascii_butugychag: but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while. 1379563;1453379284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.0005699 = 22.682 BTC [+] {2} 1379564;1453379739;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379434 << because meta disease, right. 1379565;1453379739;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 02:55:53; BingoBoingo: Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire 1379566;1453379796;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379446 << lol i wonder what'd be left of reddit if kids actually had to show up in school. 1379567;1453379796;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 03:41:08; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Our best hope to get miners to run bitcoin-classic or XT, is to beg super-hard for it." 1379568;1453379846;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379452 << please no stakhanovist suicides mr. there's been the maximum allowable count of funerals this year. 1379569;1453379846;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 03:56:07; mod6: dear lord, i've had like 9 crackers with cheddar today and like 3 mtdews. 1379570;1453379873;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379459 << yup right you are, it was. 1379571;1453379873;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 04:26:43; mod6: im pretty sure that one was mallated. 1379572;1453379933;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379483 << this reminds me of that "i'll be sober in the morning - you'll still be ugly" line. 1379573;1453379933;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 04:53:17; deedbot-: [Qntra] Fiat Markets Continue Slide As fiat/BTC Interface Prices Recover - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-markets-continue-slide-as-fiatbtc-interface-prices-recover/ 1379574;1453380020;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << may i suggest either sticking with the "comprehensible" in which case say -hiDER -loDER or else go for shortness (i don't think you should) and call it -hs -ls ? this "highs" "lows" thing is worst of both worlds. 1379575;1453380020;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 05:18:23; mod6: mircea_popescu ben_vulpes asciilifeform et. al. please review: http://dpaste.com/1E2CM6R.txt 1379576;1453380068;mircea_popescu;as we'll forget which fucking high this is. 1379577;1453380133;jurov;mircea_popescu: afaik DER is just encoding and it's different problem than S value used in signature itself 1379578;1453380348;mircea_popescu;gah. 1379579;1453380358;mircea_popescu;dude and he explained it to me once already. i'm like fixated. 1379580;1453380424;mircea_popescu;mod6 i take it back. it'll have to do, can't be introducing case now. 1379581;1453380478;mircea_popescu;mod6 why take out - vchSig.clear(); if you re-introduce it later in both branches ? ends up adding a line. 1379582;1453380509;mircea_popescu;meh ima restate this. 1379583;1453380803;mircea_popescu;blergh, i don't have the source. 1379584;1453380803;mircea_popescu;sha512sum init.cpp 1379585;1453380804;mircea_popescu;ff7009f672bf400a42d1d7afb6e58aaf1c29d9c219fad51c5f17000243a485e92bbb250d3f4bbec3f0717d00fad620c294d537832671f20c0979fb3f1383779b init.cpp 1379586;1453380813;mircea_popescu;what init.cpp are you working on as an a mod6 ? 1379587;1453380838;shinohai;morning #bitcoin-assets 1379588;1453380847;mircea_popescu;(this is prev release, test2) 1379589;1453380894;mircea_popescu;to try and edit diffs by hand ? to nevermind ? 1379590;1453380958;mircea_popescu;ah as luck would have it key.h matches. weird. 1379591;1453382520;mircea_popescu;unsigned char pchSig[10000];// Can anyone explain why 10`000 ? Enough with the magic numbers already. << for the fucking record. 1379592;1453382522;mircea_popescu;WHO CODES LIKE THIS 1379593;1453382720;copypaste;i'll take a guess, seems like it's a signature, and 10k bytes is the expected length 1379594;1453382724;copypaste;but that seems insanely long 1379595;1453382743;copypaste;perhaps it's some intermediary for a signature, and the final return will be chopped to say something sane like 64, 128 1379596;1453382816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this kind of thing is pestilentially common in 1) microshit 2) folks who grew up on it. 'i'll leave a massive space on the stack so not to overflow because i can't count and also can't trust myself to put it in heap and remember to free()' 1379597;1453382835;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit. 1379598;1453382854;mircea_popescu;security through "bill gates should be enough to anally satisfy everyone" 1379599;1453382904;copypaste;(2) is surprisingly common 1379600;1453382926;copypaste;i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with 1379601;1453382927;asciilifeform;i worked with a fella like that 1379602;1453382938;copypaste;"so as not to overflow" 1379603;1453382943;asciilifeform;'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111' 1379604;1453382995;asciilifeform;i often wonder, do these folks also have two-metre-wide toilet in the house, so as to not miss ? 1379605;1453383006;asciilifeform;a garage big enough for a boeing, so as to not hit the walls ? 1379606;1453383007;asciilifeform;etc. 1379607;1453383057;asciilifeform;part of the reason why software suxx is that the system appears to be quite forgiving of this kind of intellectual sloth 1379608;1453383064;asciilifeform;'what's an extra 10kB' 1379609;1453383106;asciilifeform;forgives, and forgives, until we have a bitcoind that wants a GB/week of ram 1379610;1453383387;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << rather than have the statement checking for luser who set both flags high and barfing, why not have two flags, e.g., 'forceS' and 'lowhighS'. 1379611;1453383387;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 05:18:23; mod6: mircea_popescu ben_vulpes asciilifeform et. al. please review: http://dpaste.com/1E2CM6R.txt 1379612;1453383482;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. 1379613;1453383490;mircea_popescu;SPACE ALLIGNMENT!!!1 who! why! jesus. 1379614;1453383503;mircea_popescu;WHO DOES THESE THINGS 1379615;1453383518;asciilifeform;the heathens, who lack emacs ? 1379616;1453383556;asciilifeform;and others, who edit their shit, who end up forced to use spaces to maintain the width ? 1379617;1453383564;asciilifeform;idiocy is ~contagious~ 1379618;1453383599;asciilifeform;i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability 1379619;1453383625;asciilifeform;and is in fact something lusers are famous for doing - recall the folks which the 'comment commits' and 'formatting fixes' who munge entire projects ? 1379620;1453383630;mircea_popescu;fuck that, im making a proper file. the diff looks like the end of the fucking world, but hey. 1379621;1453383811;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://dpaste.com/2CH23F5 << in the humble hope that it may serve. 1379622;1453383813;assbot;dpaste: 2CH23F5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1npzalm ) 1379623;1453384019;mircea_popescu; i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with << mitigation amirite. 1379624;1453384088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: argh this is painful 1379625;1453384099;mircea_popescu;i know ;/ 1379626;1453384106;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you realize, this is likely the biggest patch so far 1379627;1453384113;asciilifeform;and almost all of it is whitespace-munging 1379628;1453384131;mircea_popescu;look, i can't use fucking space allignment. for one thing on some systems i need it 2space and on others 4. 1379629;1453384151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you must do this, the right way is to separate the two 1379630;1453384154;mircea_popescu;not to even go into all the semantic degradation when you go from 2 separators to just 1. 1379631;1453384160;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1 patch for the meat, another where just munge 1379632;1453384177;asciilifeform;because the latter can be machine-checked 1379633;1453384180;mircea_popescu;well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item 1379634;1453384180;asciilifeform;at least in theory 1379635;1453384183;asciilifeform;ok 1379636;1453384193;mircea_popescu;for your convenience ima make one with spaces unmunged, 1 sec. 1379637;1453384209;asciilifeform;ty. i might actually have the stamina to read that one. 1379638;1453384281;asciilifeform;fwiw i've deliberately refrained from munging whitespace or even fixing the asinine { } convention used in trb 1379639;1453384293;asciilifeform;just to minimize touched-line count 1379640;1453384322;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG 1379641;1453384323;assbot;dpaste: 26VKRQG ... ( http://bit.ly/1npAFQi ) 1379642;1453384329;asciilifeform;because reading patches is serious work, i personally do not even have all that much time and energy these days, and other folks less still. i try to conserve it. 1379643;1453384342;asciilifeform;neato mircea_popescu. much better ! 1379644;1453384348;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how i'd in any sense seriously do anything with bs 1379645;1453384366;mircea_popescu;yes, conserve. on the other hand, the unknown unknowns : how many people currently simply CAN NOT help because of this ? 1379646;1453384381;asciilifeform;because of whitespace ? 1379647;1453384386;mircea_popescu;bullshit like you know, avboiding the word cunt because it might make it impossible for some developers to contribute isn't worth the time of day 1379648;1453384396;mircea_popescu;but spaces for tabs is a fucking disability. 1379649;1453384413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tu quoque ffs! just five minutes ago, you got to see what it does. 1379650;1453384459;asciilifeform;the spaces thing is just one in 10,001 sad things in a jupiter-sized ball of sad that is trb. 1379651;1453384479;mircea_popescu;in honesty, without any exaggeration, i would estimate the barrier to contribution that whitespace-for-tab puts in front of me is actually larger than the barrier blindness put in front of chetty. 1379652;1453384482;mircea_popescu;no joking. 1379653;1453384497;mircea_popescu;and i can't be the only one. 1379654;1453384534;asciilifeform;the way this kind of thing is traditionally handled, where i worked, is that you fix the lines you touch. 1379655;1453384541;mircea_popescu;that's what i did. 1379656;1453384550;asciilifeform;in the last paste ? 1379657;1453384568;mircea_popescu;ah. well i fixed the file i touched. 1379658;1453384579;mircea_popescu;srsly, mixed tab/space indentation in a file is worse than either. 1379659;1453384595;asciilifeform;btw, 1379660;1453384596;asciilifeform;+ if (fHighS) 1379661;1453384596;asciilifeform;+ if (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0) 1379662;1453384598;mircea_popescu;it's bad enough in a project. in a same file it's insufferable. 1379663;1453384615;asciilifeform;oughtat be 1379664;1453384617;asciilifeform;if (fHighS && (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0)) 1379665;1453384645;asciilifeform;your variant is valid c but 'riding with no hands' 1379666;1453384662;mircea_popescu;technically mod6's variant, i only removed some spurious tails. but i think you're right. 1379667;1453384675;asciilifeform;generally i like to avoid hastening ulcers if possible 1379668;1453384930;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379583 << incidentally, ~this~ is what the 'origin' command in my vtron did 1379669;1453384930;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 12:53:23; mircea_popescu: blergh, i don't have the source. 1379670;1453384944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a problem - i should have the source. 1379671;1453384953;mircea_popescu;ie, it should be the prev release. 1379672;1453385016;asciilifeform;./v o HASH would spit out the relevant vpatch name 1379673;1453385029;asciilifeform;which you could then press to, and end up with the necessary source. 1379674;1453385082;asciilifeform;i included this because i have 10,001 copies of the tree and every single one is different and wtf 1379675;1453386039;asciilifeform;https://www.bikeji.com/t/3144 << anybody want to attempt a reliable translation from heathen tongue ? 1379676;1453387207;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, i deeply regret not having had the sense of s/ /\t/g back when i made the original genesis commit. but... who knew the future then, and sopmehow being true to source, providing untouched water seemed more important. heck, maybe it was, and the only reason i get to regret doing it is having done it, which keeps me from the more bitter regret of having done it. 1379677;1453387222;mircea_popescu;at any rate : maybe it's not too late to fix. what do the lords think about this plan : 1379678;1453387251;mircea_popescu;that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch. 1379679;1453387292;mircea_popescu;!rated mod6 1379680;1453387292;assbot;You rated user mod6 on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: The cave, age, tace school of thought. Nice work with the Bitcoin Foundation.. 1379681;1453387405;mircea_popescu;!rate mod6 5 His curative TRB leadership is a shining beacon for the entire Republic. 1379682;1453387405;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5b4786450aa1d5d9 1379683;1453387427;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mod6.5:cde99987242f16de77dd84d523f93a0717dc5ed2029031b9ea1c7659e22c45da 1379684;1453387428;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 4 to 5 with note: His curative TRB leadership is a shining beacon for the entire Republic. 1379685;1453387469;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: the tab/space thing has infected the source code? 1379686;1453387697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heathen text seems a summary of the entire "scaling" bitcoin bs. 1379687;1453388967;mod6;Mornin' all. 1379688;1453389016;mod6;Sorry about the spaces in there where I put in my changes, I can and will fix that for my changes. And yeah, I think post-release it may not be a bad idea to do a one-time-cleanup of all of that. 1379689;1453389064;mod6;<+asciilifeform> if (fHighS && (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0)) <+asciilifeform> generally i like to avoid hastening ulcers if possible << yeah, i dont know why I didn't do this to begin with. Heheh. 1379690;1453389154;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i'm heavily in favour of the 'fix only the lines we touch' school of thought. the whole point of pedigreed-vintage trb is that the totality of the changes we made is apparent to the naked eye. 1379691;1453389182;asciilifeform;this is one of the things that distinguishes trb from heathenb 1379692;1453389195;asciilifeform;'your father's pistols' etc 1379693;1453389245;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG << re: There is no reason to test for both highS and lowS being set, because this is tested in init.cpp already, ... << For some reason I had it in my head that since this gets set in util.h/.cpp that both may become set at some point post execution if someone does something funny. 1379694;1453389247;assbot;dpaste: 26VKRQG ... ( http://bit.ly/1npAFQi ) 1379695;1453389248;mircea_popescu;mod6 you didn't do it because it wasn't in your code, it only appeared once i snipped a bunch 1379696;1453389260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know ;/ 1379697;1453389273;mod6;oh hmm. i think i put in some spaces in there. 1379698;1453389278;mircea_popescu;but ... a specified, machine-verifiable, multi-signed split ? not acceptable ? 1379699;1453389385;mod6;also, about http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG : I left the original code in Sign(...) in the } else { case because i thought it be necessary to have a default. if we don't have one, it forces the user to pick -highs -lows every single time they execute. 1379700;1453389386;assbot;dpaste: 26VKRQG ... ( http://bit.ly/1npAFQi ) 1379701;1453389436;mircea_popescu;mod6 this is a point, but really that heathen 10k declaration should go away. 1379702;1453389450;mod6;oh i totally agree. its just an old wart. 1379703;1453389454;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm misreading this, but atm if neither high nor low is picked the code does spit out a sig neh ? 1379704;1453389465;mircea_popescu;ie, in my paste. 1379705;1453389545;mod6;oh yeah, derp. so in yours it will just skip the compare and if true, subtract sections. 1379706;1453389571;mod6;so that should be fine. 1379707;1453389605;mod6;does anyone have any pref on the commented out DEBUG statements for the finalized one? just remove them? 1379708;1453389617;mod6;yah, i better remove those. 1379709;1453389628;mircea_popescu;they can stay or go, entirely up to you. 1379710;1453389644;mircea_popescu;i don't particularly mind commented-out line tests. 1379711;1453389662;mod6;thanks for all of your comments this morning. I appreciate everyone taking a look at this one. 1379712;1453389662;mircea_popescu;if nothing else gives a good idea of what the author was thinking. 1379713;1453389733;mircea_popescu;actually, forcing a point, commented out line tests is really the first step towards knuth literate coding. 1379714;1453389781;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, is not to be taken lightly. it occurs to me, looking at all this, that it has a very fundamental function in maintaining codebases of the KIND that bitcoin is. 1379715;1453389804;punkman;there's literate and there's littering 1379716;1453389806;mircea_popescu;specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) 1379717;1453389817;mircea_popescu;now, battles as to change are softened : people discuss reformulations OF THE COMMENTARY. 1379718;1453389828;mircea_popescu;as that changes, changes in code slowly become ever slightly more possible 1379719;1453389834;mircea_popescu;this is a splendid mechanism to provide true consensus. 1379720;1453389857;thestringpuller;LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work. 1379721;1453389860;mircea_popescu;punkman true. hence the 100 lines are the result of numerous different pressures. 1379722;1453389861;thestringpuller;Like most newbies he thought you spent from addresses rather than prior receipts." 1379723;1453389878;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i often wonder, do these folks also have two-metre-wide toilet in the house, so as to not miss ? << i lel'd 1379724;1453389908;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller we can;'t all be geniuses, can we now. 1379725;1453390065;mircea_popescu;of course the talmud gets away with an earth shattering bonus : "other rules notwithstanding, the law in any place is what the law always was there". they can afford, somehow, to keep geographically bound chains that are disjunct. we can't. but hey, chosen people, gets advantages. 1379726;1453390115;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) << I never thought of it this way. 1379727;1453390120;mod6;interesting. 1379728;1453390174;mircea_popescu;that there should be more comment than code in something like bitcoin source seems an unassailable point, to me. 1379729;1453390215;punkman;less cryptic variable naming would also be great 1379730;1453390225;deedbot-;[Trilema] The funny thing about the fallen is that they do not know they fell. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-funny-thing-about-the-fallen-is-that-they-do-not-know-they-fell/ 1379731;1453390250;mircea_popescu;not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother. 1379732;1453390252;mod6;i would agree there, but on the basis that the comments are accurate in a technical sense. nothing worse than misleading comments or documentation, as we've recently discussed. 1379733;1453390264;mircea_popescu;mod6 absolutely. hence punkman's point re littering. 1379734;1453390271;mod6;*nod* 1379735;1453390293;punkman;problem is, who wants 100 patches with comments only 1379736;1453390300;mircea_popescu;me. 1379737;1453390303;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother. << yeah, im not sure why the var name needs to delcare that it is a vector of chars. 1379738;1453390319;mircea_popescu;i suspect this is also msvc widgetry. 1379739;1453390329;mod6;^ 1379740;1453390396;mircea_popescu;the problem of tab-spaces is indicative of many similar blessings to come. 1379741;1453390408;mircea_popescu;once half the variables are in one style and half in three or four other styles etc. 1379742;1453390431;mircea_popescu;kinda why i insist we must do the "by file touched" rather than "by lines touched" thing. 1379743;1453390432;mod6;yeah, valid point. 1379744;1453390435;mircea_popescu;a file can't mix unlike things. 1379745;1453390534;mod6;re: your comment about tabs of width 2 or 4; going forward, I'll use width 4. 1379746;1453390540;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1379747;1453390556;mircea_popescu;how are ~you~ going to do anything about it ? i set my machine to show them any way i want. 1379748;1453390606;mod6;right right. but I think i put in some spaces in my code there for alignment. just saying, i'll stick to using four. 1379749;1453390613;mircea_popescu;a yeah. 1379750;1453390709;mod6;your patch really is easier to read since leaving in the vchSig.clear() etc at the top instead of moving it to the bottom like mine had. 1379751;1453390721;mod6;many thanks. 1379752;1453390734;mircea_popescu;eh you're the one should be thanked. 1379753;1453390888;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item << ok good deal. was kinda wondering if the forthcoming release patch should bundle this one in or not. 1379754;1453390929;mircea_popescu;well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether 1379755;1453390949;mod6;Was thinking of putting in alf's latest two also -- but I think we need some confirmation on at least the version string one. shinohai was having some snags with it. 1379756;1453390993;*;mircea_popescu is loath to do too much of that sort, because as correctly pointed out, mircea_popescu is a noob in the low level technical sense. without an array of experts to advise and correct, i'll just fuck everything up. 1379757;1453390996;mod6;asciilifeform: not sure if you found some of questions/comments in the log from yesterday re this ^^ 1379758;1453391018;asciilifeform;wai wut 1379759;1453391043;mircea_popescu;i also don't fix any of the combustion engines that i own by myself - even if once i took apart and put back together a trabant. 1379760;1453391057;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether << yeah, ok. i'll do some work here today / tonight, do a re-test and the hopefully get it to the ML before the week is out. 1379761;1453391071;asciilifeform;mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? 1379762;1453391080;mod6;we can discuss this again as we get further along. 1379763;1453391080;asciilifeform;i can't seem to find it in the logz 1379764;1453391090;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? << i'll dig it up, just a sec. 1379765;1453391109;thestringpuller;Ah this takes the cake: "I had to reload Reddit like 4 times before it started working. If reddit wants me as a customer, they should increase their blocksize" 1379766;1453391115;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379738 << that particular heathenry has a name, 'hungarian notation'. named after some chap at microshit who believed that it reduces bugs 1379767;1453391115;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 15:31:59; mircea_popescu: i suspect this is also msvc widgetry. 1379768;1453391127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im sure there it did. 1379769;1453391172;mod6;starts here asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1379310 1379770;1453391172;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 23:46:05; shinohai: Also mod6 re: version strings, placing flags first had zero effect so I probably did something wrong. :/ 1379771;1453391180;asciilifeform;it is sort of like concept that once came to me in a dream, about some alt-world where all names are sexed, and hence nobody is named 'alice', but 'fmalice', no 'bob', but 'malbob' 1379772;1453391193;mircea_popescu;i don't think the difference was ever stressed enough or for that matter all that well understood. what "big studios" do for software, ie, throwaway crap that's not expected to a) work for everyone or b) work for more than a few years is VERY STRICTLY opposite to what bitcoin does. 1379773;1453391204;mircea_popescu;just like "AAA titles" and eulora have jack in common, but that's a side point. 1379774;1453391216;asciilifeform;this seems thermonuclearly obvious 1379775;1453391225;asciilifeform;to anybody even tangentially involved 1379776;1453391225;mircea_popescu;to you. 1379777;1453391229;asciilifeform;l0l 1379778;1453391301;mircea_popescu;malbob and f-malice. this should be a fucking poem. 1379779;1453391304;mircea_popescu;it's as poetic as it gets. 1379780;1453391322;mod6;heheh 1379781;1453391328;asciilifeform;mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! because said printf ~precedes~ the setting of the custom string. this may explain shinohai's confusion. 1379782;1453391340;mircea_popescu;anyway, in ro names are sexed - mircea is the only male name that ends in a. 1379783;1453391366;shinohai;ah now I understand asciilifeform thx 1379784;1453391372;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've met ro dudes who go by nicknames, e.g., cata (catalin) etc 1379785;1453391385;mircea_popescu;that's not a, that's a~ 1379786;1453391394;asciilifeform;ah! 1379787;1453391451;mircea_popescu;actually the convention is you can take any male name add a and name a girl thus. 1379788;1453391454;mircea_popescu;hence catalina. 1379789;1453391461;thestringpuller;catalina 1379790;1453391542;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379716 <<<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2016#1375547 1379791;1453391542;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 15:23:26; mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) 1379792;1453391542;assbot;Logged on 18-01-2016 19:16:29; ascii_butugychag: i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ? 1379793;1453391550;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! << personally I haven't even tried this yet. but I think he was saying that he checked the getinfo and that hadn't updated either. 1379794;1453391583;mod6;i'll see if i can get to it today, and give it a try myself. 1379795;1453391595;mircea_popescu;have you eaten mod6 ? 1379796;1453391607;mod6;haha no. 1379797;1453391609;mircea_popescu;go eat. 1379798;1453391627;mod6;i am about to eat a decent breakfast in like 1.5 hours. 1379799;1453391627;mircea_popescu;do not take after me. for even as we speak, the girls are up and chirping in the kitchen making me stuff. 1379800;1453391633;mod6;ok, i'm gonna go have an orange. 1379801;1453391637;mircea_popescu;cool! 1379802;1453391697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite. 1379803;1453391765;shinohai;mod6 Load up those 7 hookers you spoke of last night and come over. I got lox and eggs. 1379804;1453391776;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what are they making you for breakfast? 1379805;1453391796;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. but it'll include fig bars! 1379806;1453391809;mircea_popescu;yesterday was smoked salmon, cheeses and cured meats. 1379807;1453391825;thestringpuller;i wish I knew women that cooked 1379808;1453391838;thestringpuller;america with it's faux feminism has kinda killed cooking 1379809;1453391849;mircea_popescu;ironically, none of these knew either. 1379810;1453391858;mircea_popescu;visiting mother at some point "omaigerd you cook so good!!1" 1379811;1453391878;thestringpuller;nothing beats good training! (except maybe a good beating) 1379812;1453391926;mircea_popescu;cooking is actually an artform, indisputably, and readily the easiest to be good at and happy with yourself for. 1379813;1453391934;mircea_popescu;who gets to eat the clay pot or painting ? 1379814;1453392224;shinohai;https://redd.it/420fzw <<< kek 1379815;1453392226;assbot;Is anyone else sick of all the bullshit ethereum spam??? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ue51zq ) 1379816;1453392582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57168 @ 0.00056956 = 32.5606 BTC [-] 1379817;1453393400;mod6;;;calc 607*2000 1379818;1453393401;gribble;1214000 1379819;1453393456;mod6;it says that during this 'Stakhanovite movement' in the su, this guy Nikita Izotov mined 607 TONS of coal in a single shift. That's ~1M folks. 1379820;1453393487;mod6;O_O 1379821;1453393500;mircea_popescu;meanwhile debunked, but yeah 1379822;1453393507;mod6;oh. 1379823;1453393512;mircea_popescu;it's a by-word for capital-destroying "concerted efforts". 1379824;1453393581;mircea_popescu;ie, "this cpu normally does 4ghz, i run it at 8. it's doing so much more for me than... oops, it popped. need a new cpu" 1379825;1453394024;mod6;makes sense. 1379826;1453394665;mircea_popescu;./uint256.h: static char phexdigit[256] = { 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0xa,0xb,0xc,0xd,0xe,0xf,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0xa,0xb,0xc,0xd,0xe,0xf,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 }; 1379827;1453394671;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this maigc. 1379828;1453394846;mircea_popescu;holy shit the stuff that's in uint256.h ?! 1379829;1453394850;mircea_popescu;anyone seen this wonder http://dpaste.com/1JNBGCX ? 1379830;1453394851;assbot;dpaste: 1JNBGCX ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbfprQ ) 1379831;1453394888;asciilifeform;l0l i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers all of the 'wonders' 1379832;1453394939;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379823 << ударник (tm) 1379833;1453394939;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 16:25:12; mircea_popescu: it's a by-word for capital-destroying "concerted efforts". 1379834;1453394985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prior to the article i'm writing now, i had naively believed the thing is some standard library imported from whenever 1379835;1453395007;asciilifeform;which thing 1379836;1453395058;mircea_popescu;uint256.h 1379837;1453395091;asciilifeform;you will notice that #include "uint256.h" 1379838;1453395097;asciilifeform;rather than #include 1379839;1453395179;mircea_popescu;i have meanwhile noticed 1379840;1453395187;mircea_popescu;i hadn't priorly noticed. what's one to do 1379841;1453395220;asciilifeform;the whole thing is 99+% crapolade by weight, and nobody sane dares to 'fix what works' because 'father's pistols' 1379842;1453395334;mircea_popescu;incidentally, did we have a lxr up of the codebase or something ? 1379843;1453395342;asciilifeform;aha, jurov keeps it 1379844;1453395356;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option 1379845;1453395357;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkZeaQ ) 1379846;1453395376;asciilifeform;(use the box on the right hand upper corner to switch presses) 1379847;1453395396;asciilifeform;until recently i used this www for just about all trb study 1379848;1453395414;mircea_popescu;before i couldn't do merchant of venice because broken tools. now can't because instead going through 10k lines dump to find the junk. 1379849;1453395415;mircea_popescu;o lyf. 1379850;1453395523;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyone seen this wonder http://dpaste.com/1JNBGCX ? << scary huh 1379851;1453395524;assbot;dpaste: 1JNBGCX ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbfprQ ) 1379852;1453395524;mircea_popescu;./net.cpp: Sleep(10); 1379853;1453395528;mircea_popescu;omfg ok i need a break 1379854;1453395817;*;asciilifeform wonders what moved mircea_popescu to try his hand at trbism 1379855;1453396095;trinque; /b #sales 1379856;1453396099;trinque;heh! 1379857;1453396109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever been in college and ended up picking up chicks you were only half interested in because it sure as fuck beat doing the work you had to do that day ? 1379858;1453396176;mircea_popescu;ThreadOpenConnections2(parg); << im not even including inept shit like this. clearly someone deeply understood threading. 1379859;1453396258;mircea_popescu;int64 nRandomizer = (uint64)(nStart * 4951 + addr.nLastTry * 9567851 + addr.ip * 7789) % (2 * 60 * 60); 1379860;1453396263;mircea_popescu;motherfucking god almighty. 1379861;1453396447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: approximately 1379862;1453396467;asciilifeform;the WHOLE THING consists of THIS 1379863;1453396523;asciilifeform;and as i described (and i think ben_vulpes did even earlier) the thing isn't ~actually~ multithreaded, in the sense of being able to evaluate multiple requests in parallel 1379864;1453396542;mircea_popescu;./main.h: void SetNull() { nFile = -1; nBlockPos = 0; nTxPos = 0; } << lulz of all time. 1379865;1453396552;mircea_popescu;null squared is sometimes equal to the unit! 1379866;1453396561;mircea_popescu;i should like to visit this algebra sometime. 1379867;1453396586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely not multithreaded. which, given the strength of everything else, is a very good thing. 1379868;1453396600;asciilifeform;nah it retains all of the minuses of multithread. 1379869;1453396608;asciilifeform;with none of the plus. 1379870;1453396614;mircea_popescu;just going from "could be a lot worse" 1379871;1453396633;asciilifeform;thing is as bad as it could possibly be without falling down at the first gust of wind. 1379872;1453396674;mircea_popescu;o god, the parade of magic substr addresses 1379873;1453396674;asciilifeform;but there are, e.g., 101+ ways to hose an arbitrarily selected node for as long as you like 1379874;1453396746;asciilifeform;and there is a variety of things you can coax a node into doing if you can corrupt the db; etc 1379875;1453396790;mircea_popescu;no idea why anyone thinks "bitcoin will take over the world". they can't possibly be talking of the prb codebase. 1379876;1453396824;asciilifeform;the current prb is a different kind of hell altogether 1379877;1453396888;mircea_popescu;all this initing to -1 business... 1379878;1453396901;mircea_popescu;who, over the mental age of ~12, does this 1379879;1453396921;asciilifeform;if trb is sleeping in a dumpster and picking old razors out of the rotting mcd 'meal' trays to eat, prb is drowning in a usg paper dump 1379880;1453396970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: init to -1 is classical unixism, sorta like initing pointers to null 1379881;1453396973;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1379882;1453397010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno how classical. perhaps in the gavin aka retarded sense of classical, 1379883;1453397133;asciilifeform;the basic idiocy of unix is that there is NO error checking in any system call 1379884;1453397144;asciilifeform;you are stuck checking the result of EVERY SINGLE ONE - or praying 1379885;1453397162;asciilifeform;so folks init a var where result of system call is stored to the value of failure 1379886;1453397180;asciilifeform;to make debugging the case where the call was not made at all, for whatever perverse reason, simpler. 1379887;1453397240;asciilifeform;obligatory >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html 1379888;1453397241;assbot;Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkDDln ) 1379889;1453397241;mircea_popescu;then there's the case (as is here) of folk who can't get out of the fencing error so fix the code on the 2nd pass. 1379890;1453397259;mircea_popescu;"i guess this really should start counting at -2" 1379891;1453397314;asciilifeform;'...neither Unix nor Windows _actually_ support either C or C++, but they manage to make them work, with downright incredible effort. if you look inside the libraries and see how a system call actually works and how much it differs from the C calling convention and usage, you'd be a fool not to revise your opinion. and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what 1379892;1453397314;asciilifeform; it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?' 1379893;1453397318;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "./wallet.cpp: exit(1); //We now probably have half of our keys encrypted in memory, and half not...die and let the user reload their unencrypted wallet." 1379894;1453397467;asciilifeform;i did say, in the very beginning, 'i want this in a book, as a reference' etc 1379895;1453397489;asciilifeform;because the notion of using this thing, or anything directly derived from it, as a long-term anything, is lunacy. 1379896;1453397517;asciilifeform;'fixing' it is sorta like asking to 'fix' the dumpster mcdonalds chicken bits into an actual meal. 1379897;1453397537;asciilifeform;yes, odin could re-arrange the atoms and form a fine dinner fit for mircea_popescu's table. 1379898;1453397550;asciilifeform;but don't wait for this. 1379899;1453397742;asciilifeform;and also don't wait for me to write a fits-in-head and provably non-misbehaving btc client, even though i would much like to, know exactly how, and even have bits'n'pieces sitting around. because instead of this i'm stuck doing pointless crud in шарашка, so as to eat. 1379900;1453397782;thestringpuller;so if we provide asciilifeform 's meals then he is freed from imprisonment? 1379901;1453397795;mircea_popescu;sooner or later free man version of alf will pop into existence. 1379902;1453397804;mircea_popescu;from the ashes of the very alf in question or not, remains to be seen 1379903;1453397806;asciilifeform;well, we already have a mircea_popescu 1379904;1453397826;asciilifeform;and he appears to have taken up programming... 1379905;1453397835;thestringpuller;pheonix asciilifeform will be a very interesting person indeed 1379906;1453397847;asciilifeform;why do you need two mircea_popescus. 1379907;1453397853;mircea_popescu;the man who had a working plane and no boat made himself a leaky boat that couldn't fly. then the japanese bombed him. 1379908;1453397875;thestringpuller;you could always go the gavin route and beg MIT for money. 1379909;1453397885;thestringpuller;but i don't think that results in freedom 1379910;1453397886;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if you knew what i do for money today you would barf to death. 1379911;1453397911;thestringpuller;does that involve taking it up the butt regularly for money? 1379912;1453397937;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: nah, that's harmless fun in comparison 1379913;1453397982;mircea_popescu;./script.h: const_iterator pc2 = pc; 1379914;1453397983;mircea_popescu;why! 1379915;1453398014;thestringpuller;my job usually devolves into copy-pasting from one terminal to another for hours at a time. 1379916;1453398033;thestringpuller;how programming == data entry, I don't know 1379917;1453398096;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: and can't automate this, because will be sacked, as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 ? 1379918;1453398098;assbot;Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWqkWp ) 1379919;1453398110;mircea_popescu;return 99999; 1379920;1453398172;mircea_popescu;-- 1379921;1453398173;mircea_popescu;./base58.h: // Expected size increase from base58 conversion is approximately 137% 1379922;1453398173;mircea_popescu;./base58.h: // use 138% to be safe 1379923;1453398213;mircea_popescu;for instance, 10OIl0OIl0OIl0OIl== in base64 comes to 138% more crud in "base58" 1379924;1453398259;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Legend has it that Potter was promptly fired, never to be heard from again. << HOLY FUCKTITS. This is my life! 1379925;1453398437;asciilifeform;whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. 1379926;1453398469;asciilifeform;yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title. 1379927;1453398483;asciilifeform;for the most part, nature does not deal in chimeras. 1379928;1453398616;thestringpuller;this reminds me of the heinlein quote: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for i 1379929;1453398634;asciilifeform;and one of the problems with 'free men' is that growing up as one tends to result in 'an aristotle' - aristocrat, who may be a very sharp fella but is not especially handy with 'slave crafts' and would normally not stoop to, e.g., programming a computer 1379930;1453398670;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: heinlein was... a story-teller. 1379931;1453398678;asciilifeform;there is nothing wrong with this. 1379932;1453398688;thestringpuller;it sounds like you don't believe a polymath can truly exist 1379933;1453398702;thestringpuller;cannot* 1379934;1453398705;gernika;ob 1379935;1453398717;thestringpuller;err language escapes my bacon filled self 1379936;1453398718;gernika;!down gernika 1379937;1453398775;asciilifeform;'polymath' i suspect would describe most of the folks here. but the point i was trying to make is that in many ways certain aspects of mircea_popescu's picture in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379901 are intrinsically opposed 1379938;1453398775;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 17:36:35; mircea_popescu: sooner or later free man version of alf will pop into existence. 1379939;1453398850;thestringpuller;Hmmm. Seems this could be issue with jgarzik. Some like, 10 years of focus at redhat. Is "freed" from his slave labor, does nothing with his freedom. 1379940;1453398868;asciilifeform;this applies to EVERY SINGLE CASE of 'freed' programming type i've ever met or so much as heard of. 1379941;1453398919;thestringpuller;question arises, "How to use freedom productively?" 1379942;1453398943;asciilifeform;'don't destroy your brain with 20 years of cube first' ? 1379943;1453398961;asciilifeform;the freedom of the 80 y.o. retiree is not interesting for anything. 1379944;1453398973;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. << pfff. nonsense. 1379945;1453398986;thestringpuller;obviously because 80 year old just wants to fuck bitches and chill. 1379946;1453399192;asciilifeform;now i've never actually met a chess-boxer. but it would not astonish me if i learned that they keep the company of other boxers and regard actual Gromeisters, who devoted their lives to chess, as effete lusers. 1379947;1453399237;mircea_popescu;so basically you're a heinlein for your own needs. 1379948;1453399250;asciilifeform;what's that mean 1379949;1453399313;mircea_popescu;that you're making up stories. for a captive audience that's easy to please. 1379950;1453399324;mircea_popescu;back at insanity ranch, ./net.h: vSend << a1 << a2 << a3; 1379951;1453399339;mircea_popescu;why not call all variables v1 through v9000 is anyone's guyess. 1379952;1453399361;asciilifeform;why not visit the sanity ranch and see how they did it 1379953;1453399387;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu ever wonder about the scarcity of code written by sane folks ? 1379954;1453399402;asciilifeform;i suspect that learning to program is a fundamentally insane act. 1379955;1453399409;asciilifeform;and that this is the prime mover of it all. 1379956;1453399421;mircea_popescu;not so. just like fucking isn't a fundamentally insane act. 1379957;1453399432;asciilifeform;it is rather like asking why circus acrobats are odd folk 1379958;1453399441;mircea_popescu;your arguments exactly mirror a broken version of reality pushed forth by overgrown girls that are yet affraid to be women. 1379959;1453399452;asciilifeform;which one ? 1379960;1453399504;mircea_popescu;"learning to program is a fundamentally insane act." 1379961;1453399594;asciilifeform;it is a hypothesis with much predictive power, and is not altogether different from aristotle's position on whether kings ought to learn blacksmithing 1379962;1453399619;mircea_popescu;still a dead end. exactly equivalent with soviet woman's conclusion that getting married is an exercise in insanity. 1379963;1453399664;asciilifeform;the woman, on the whole, has a biological role 1379964;1453399685;asciilifeform;and tends to break in ways not covered by warranty, as a whole, if fails to perform it 1379965;1453399700;asciilifeform;but as far as i'm aware, there is no biological 'programmer race' 1379966;1453399716;asciilifeform;(as dwarves 'must mine' in 'd&d' universes) 1379967;1453399739;mircea_popescu;i can't say i see merit in any of these propositions. 1379968;1453399781;asciilifeform;i'd be worried if mircea_popescu ~did~ see merit, would suspect that the universe is coming unglued 1379969;1453399787;mircea_popescu;lol 1379970;1453399971;asciilifeform;but in all seriousness, clever folk who strike gold in whatever form, who programmed, tend to gravitate away from it - iirc mthreat is doing a sane thing, flying old ru jets, rather than dredging through cpp crud 1379971;1453400019;asciilifeform;and from mircea_popescu's articles i get the impression that his meatspace friends are respectable folk, 'high power' lawyers, traders, etc. rather than cpp connoisseurs 1379972;1453400027;asciilifeform;sane people. 1379973;1453400054;mircea_popescu;chet coded c++. 1379974;1453400080;asciilifeform;and even mircea_popescu apparently does, on occasion. 1379975;1453400083;mircea_popescu;and the idea is inept. yes i know a lot of "respectable folk". i also know a lot of common whores. and everything in between. 1379976;1453400093;asciilifeform;the whores are respectable. 1379977;1453400094;mircea_popescu;i even know some dogs. 1379978;1453400096;asciilifeform;as are dogs 1379979;1453400097;mircea_popescu;and a coupla whorses. 1379980;1453400164;mircea_popescu; and even mircea_popescu apparently does, on occasion. << actually that dpaste earlier was the first time in at least 10 years. 1379981;1453400193;asciilifeform;at any rate, it is perfectly safe for a king to entertain himself by being a blacksmith, or a sailor - as peter the great did 1379982;1453400219;asciilifeform;(and iirc he was a pretty good one) 1379983;1453400289;mircea_popescu;it's however NOT safe at all for blacksmith to entertain himself by telling stories about what peter does and why. 1379984;1453400292;asciilifeform;but folks who knew the forge from the age of five, tend to not end up kings.. 1379985;1453400299;mircea_popescu;this is also not true. 1379986;1453400327;asciilifeform;i suppose herr ceausescu would be a counter-example 1379987;1453400362;mircea_popescu;numerous examples throughout. 1379988;1453400364;mircea_popescu;;;google voda ioan potcoava 1379989;1453400365;gribble;Ioan Potcoavă - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ioan Nicoară Potcoavă, domn al Moldovei - Istoria.md: ; Domnitori - Ioan Nicoară Potcoavă - Moldovenii.md: 1379990;1453400369;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu is correct re: that i cannot possibly have any idea ~why~ peter 1 did what he did. 1379991;1453400462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ioan p. reminds me, there really oughta be some good material floating about re: the 20th c. chinese 'warlords' (as they are for some reason called in english world) 1379992;1453400478;mircea_popescu;well... what'd you call them ? seems quite apt. 1379993;1453400480;asciilifeform;some of them were pretty interesting folk 1379994;1453400496;asciilifeform;one comes to mind, who hired germans to build him a mustard gas factory 1379995;1453400554;asciilifeform;http://poetry.uazone.net/kobzar/ivan_pidkova.html << spiffy 1379996;1453400564;asciilifeform;somehow i escaped this in ukr school 1379997;1453400570;mircea_popescu;weird huh. 1379998;1453400608;asciilifeform;Панували, добували / І славу, і волю; / Минулося — осталися / Могили на полі. 1379999;1453400611;asciilifeform;notbad.jpg 1380000;1453400632;mircea_popescu;i suppose programmers also don't get to know about respectable hatmans ? 1380001;1453400643;asciilifeform;hey i knew a few. 1380002;1453400647;mircea_popescu;requires being fed royal jelly to know of this! 1380003;1453400702;asciilifeform;батька атаман (tm) (r) 1380004;1453400733;mircea_popescu;FILE* file = fopen(strprintf("%s/blk%04d.dat", GetDataDir().c_str(), nFile).c_str(), pszMode); 1380005;1453400880;mircea_popescu;!up Terry4 1380006;1453401029;thestringpuller;;;ud royal jelly 1380007;1453401030;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Royal+Jelly | Royal Jelly. The glorious coating surrounding a cock when it pulls out of an asshole that has not been prelubed. The asshole has created a natural lubricant that ... 1380008;1453401051;mircea_popescu;./main.cpp- for (;;) << i don't get it, if it's going to do plain for(;;) why the fuck does it want the fancy boost_foreach ? 1380009;1453401080;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it\'s the stuff bee larva get fed to become sluts rather than housewives. 1380010;1453401095;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388&cpage=1#comment-17578 << l0l thestringpuller 1380011;1453401098;assbot;Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkP4t9 ) 1380012;1453401143;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for(;;) is an infinite loop 1380013;1453401165;asciilifeform;boost_foreach is not, it is an iterator over some set 1380014;1453401189;mircea_popescu;oh i thought it had some implicit termination, nm. 1380015;1453401213;asciilifeform;incidentally not so long ago i felt the desire to rewrite chunks of trb to abolish boost 1380016;1453401220;asciilifeform;by using c++11-isms 1380017;1453401222;Terry4;Did you see the strategy about subsiding bitcoin miners to stay on the original BTC, (as a last case scenario to defeat any alt-chain)? 1380018;1453401230;asciilifeform;but then realized that this would lead us into perdition 1380019;1453401236;asciilifeform;that is, using corrupted versions of gcc 1380020;1453401324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would much like a complete list of boost structures, with analysis. 1380021;1453401331;mircea_popescu;but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers. 1380022;1453401343;mircea_popescu;five or so steps below. but gotta start where the seafloor is, nothing else. 1380023;1453401345;asciilifeform;(boost exists largely because cpp is not actually programmable in without using something like boost. which has been largely incorporated into the recent standard.) 1380024;1453401380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what you're really interested in is std:: structures 1380025;1453401389;mircea_popescu;./main.cpp: if (nProcessors < 1) nProcessors = 1; 1380026;1453401398;asciilifeform;boost is used in trb for iterators, for the most part 1380027;1453401410;mircea_popescu;my display is slowlyt decaying from displaying this fucking buffer 1380028;1453401421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was thinking that would go later. 1380029;1453401424;asciilifeform;jurov did some diggin on std::map and everybody barfed 1380030;1453401434;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly 1380031;1453401451;mircea_popescu;i think ima end up with fucking dead pixels that satoshi burned. 1380032;1453401465;asciilifeform;whatcha even doing 1380033;1453401484;mircea_popescu; but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers. << 1380034;1453401491;asciilifeform;as in stray constants ? 1380035;1453401502;mircea_popescu;no. as in magic numbers. anyway, you'll see. 1380036;1453401504;mircea_popescu;./bitcoinrpc.h:// Copyright (c) 2010 Satoshi Nakamoto 1380037;1453401504;mircea_popescu;./bitcoinrpc.h:// Copyright (c) 2011 The Bitcoin developers 1380038;1453401511;mircea_popescu;^inept fuckiing shit. who the fuck thinks this is how it works ? 1380039;1453401526;asciilifeform;every batch of plowing flies on the planet ? 1380040;1453401540;mircea_popescu; Copyright 2010 Disney corp ; Copyright 2013 internet-derps. whynot! 1380041;1453401574;asciilifeform;'kicking the dead lion' 1380042;1453401692;*;asciilifeform bbl 1380043;1453401770;mircea_popescu;./db.cpp: // Tray icon sometimes disappears on 9.10 karmic koala 64-bit, leaving no way to access the program 1380044;1453401771;mircea_popescu;./db.cpp- fMinimizeToTray = false; 1380045;1453401772;mircea_popescu;logic. 1380046;1453401898;thestringpuller;looks like irdial would rather post to medium than qntra: https://medium.com/@beautyon_/bitcoin-is-not-democratic-81f87158250a#.ybi7j38cg 1380047;1453402054;mircea_popescu;;;later tell beautyon what do you like about the vc wordpress anyway ? 1380048;1453402055;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380049;1453402288;mircea_popescu;BN_rshift segfaults on 64-bit if 2^shift is greater than the number if built on ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10, probably depends on version of openssl 1380050;1453402298;mircea_popescu;hey, is this a documented openssl hole ? seems it could be useful. 1380051;1453402883;mircea_popescu;./crypter.cpp- // Note as well that at no point in this program is any attempt made to prevent stealing of keys by reading the memory of the running process. << this is oddly the right choice. 1380052;1453403845;mod6;had a nice big breakfast for lunch. 1380053;1453403865;mod6;and a pretty lengthy walk. so nb. 1380054;1453404052;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hey, is this a documented openssl hole ? seems it could be useful. << found this, seems like the opposite tho: http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=122520520421616 1380055;1453404196;BingoBoingo;thank you http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379572 1380056;1453404196;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 12:38:53; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379483 << this reminds me of that "i'll be sober in the morning - you'll still be ugly" line. 1380057;1453404384;mircea_popescu;mod6 aha of histoprical interest. 1380058;1453404480;thestringpuller;it's funny trying to see evoorhees play politician 1380059;1453404501;thestringpuller;"guise guise guise. can't we just all get along. plz? we shouldn't be having civil wars guise." 1380060;1453404510;thestringpuller;reminds me of a young lincoln 1380061;1453404634;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379548 << only the absence of things 1380062;1453404634;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 10:26:39; punkman: BingoBoingo: anything interesting in the jtoomim logz? 1380063;1453404683;mircea_popescu; " is a real and is rounded to the nearest 0.00000001\n" 1380064;1453404684;mircea_popescu;g 1380065;1453404686;mircea_popescu;good god. 1380066;1453405148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00056685 = 48.0122 BTC [-] {3} 1380067;1453405304;BingoBoingo;It's possible Magnus Carlsen makes the switch to the hybrid sport http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379926 1380068;1453405304;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:49; asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title. 1380069;1453405441;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379925 << actually the concept can be introduced much neater. there exist two sorts of men in this world, and they are distinguished readily when an alluring woman makes an interesting proposal. some can't, and some "let's go". the principle (in reverse), is illustrated in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-41.0-45.1 1380070;1453405441;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 17:47:17; asciilifeform: whenever i hear about mircea_popescu's 'free men', i think of... chessboxing. 1380071;1453405442;assbot;The Romanian language for other people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lzWJ9f ) 1380072;1453405466;*;mircea_popescu has found himself, iwthout interruption, in this position for as long as he can remember, which'd be a good three decades by now. 1380073;1453405479;mircea_popescu;it has exactly 0 to do with money, because schoolchildren have no money. it's a thing. 1380074;1453405489;mircea_popescu;some kids gotta ask their parents, some don't. 1380075;1453405531;mircea_popescu;this is, contrary to what everyone'd like to think, strictly unrelated to the parents. 1380076;1453405564;mircea_popescu;so... you want to know why i'm trampling all over this grep dump rioght now ? it... it fucking winked! 1380077;1453405790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i was a small boy, my elder brother taught me a lesson once: 1380078;1453405797;asciilifeform;he said 'i will give you a gift! a real computer!' 1380079;1453405810;asciilifeform;i say 'no way.' next day... 1380080;1453405813;asciilifeform;he hands me a matchbox. 1380081;1453405820;asciilifeform;when i push it out, nothing in it 1380082;1453405823;asciilifeform;he: 'flip it over' 1380083;1453405846;asciilifeform;when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT) 1380084;1453405873;asciilifeform;it worked !1111111 1380085;1453405884;mircea_popescu;sure. so what's the problem with that ? 1380086;1453405888;asciilifeform;none. 1380087;1453405893;asciilifeform;it worked great. 1380088;1453405905;asciilifeform;and reading mircea_popescu on certain subjects is rather reminiscent of this 'computer' 1380089;1453405920;asciilifeform;he could give a good gift to folks, matchbox that when pushed tells you: 1380090;1453405937;asciilifeform;'you aren't virile enough! go feed yourself to pigz!111' 1380091;1453405948;mircea_popescu;what else do you expect is there. 1380092;1453405954;mircea_popescu;the reverse ? 1380093;1453405974;asciilifeform;back when the english folks were literate, they had a name for this, 1380094;1453405976;asciilifeform;'dismal science' 1380095;1453406013;mircea_popescu;you know a) the intention was to contrast it with GAY science 1380096;1453406019;asciilifeform;there is nothing wrong with this, once one adjusts one's expectations. 1380097;1453406023;mircea_popescu;and b) it was used for economics not metaphysics. 1380098;1453406031;asciilifeform;no parachute, just a helpful fella telling you how many metres until your splat. 1380099;1453406160;asciilifeform;fwiw, unlike some folks, i appreciate this gift. sorta like when doctor tells 'you have six months'. would you rather be surprised ? 1380100;1453406202;asciilifeform;it beats ambling about like redditard, smashing into every possible wall, and never knowing why. 1380101;1453406218;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I know it's l0l cuz I spend my life making robots to do my slave labor for me. I feel bad for the robots tho. I dunno man. Working in web dev, the developers are insane. It's like everyone wants to use some new unproven technology Y before fixing technology X first that it's built upon. 1380102;1453406262;thestringpuller;Perhaps this is from consumer has come to expect mentality of everything being "flashy and pretty" but it makes me cringe cause you never have truly correct way of doing things. Just correct way of doing broken thing. 1380103;1453406272;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: nobody gets paid to fix foundations. 1380104;1453406282;asciilifeform;it is bad business sense. 1380105;1453406293;asciilifeform;(in that most of the reward will be reaped by others, who paid nothing) 1380106;1453406295;mircea_popescu;only in some definitions of pay and business. 1380107;1453406305;thestringpuller;So how is derp supposed to even begin to learn correctness, if he can't understand what a correct foundation is. 1380108;1453406331;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: ideally he learned it in kindergarten when he added 2+2. correctly. 1380109;1453406336;asciilifeform;if this was not so, there is no cure. 1380110;1453406341;mircea_popescu;wait. 1380111;1453406344;mircea_popescu;did you just...matchbox ?! 1380112;1453406349;asciilifeform;yes 1380113;1453406352;mircea_popescu;lol 1380114;1453406368;thestringpuller;;;ud matchbox 1380115;1453406369;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Matchbox | Matchbox. A three-some in the back of a car. Guy 1: Dude I hooked up with Sarah and Kourtney in the back of my car lastnight! Guy 2: DUDE YOU JUST HAD A ... 1380116;1453406383;asciilifeform;neither of us 'asked parents', played with matches, yes 1380117;1453406401;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: ideally he learned it in kindergarten 1380118;1453406414;thestringpuller;^-well in this context you can learn correct foundation 1380119;1453406421;thestringpuller;but what if foundation is broken on layers above 1380120;1453406429;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there was an episode at c3 involving a box of matches, prolly what mircea_popescu was remembering. 1380121;1453406437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i meant just above. 1380122;1453406442;asciilifeform;ah 1380123;1453406450;asciilifeform;l0lz 1380124;1453406502;thestringpuller;I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT. 1380125;1453406514;thestringpuller;Rinse repeat. 1380126;1453406526;asciilifeform;there was never any other way to learn from other people. 1380127;1453406540;thestringpuller;Not with the bastardization of education being dumbed down for the so-called masses. 1380128;1453406573;thestringpuller;In fact when I was thinking of going into education one of the courses I took harped on the fact that the best mode of teaching is pairing a real expert with student apprenticeship style. 1380129;1453406576;asciilifeform;i've never known any thinking folk who actually relied on 'public education' for any useful thing they knew. 1380130;1453406579;thestringpuller;But this isn't feasible economically. 1380131;1453406653;mircea_popescu;./serialize.h:// There's a clever template way to make arrays serialize normally, but MSVC6 doesn't support it 1380132;1453406654;mircea_popescu;herp. 1380133;1453406663;mircea_popescu;msvc shouldn't even be fucking supported in the first place. 1380134;1453406672;asciilifeform;i think mircea_popescu is really enjoying this, somehow 1380135;1453406681;mircea_popescu;of course. 1380136;1453406699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever read the thing before ? 1380137;1453406706;thestringpuller;I learned to code on MSVC lol. QBasic -> MSVC_6 -> Linux 1380138;1453406710;mircea_popescu;not in a systematic manner. 1380139;1453406718;thestringpuller;and I thought Linux was ideal, but it turns out even that is bastardized. 1380140;1453406719;mircea_popescu;i'm not reading now either, just had some summaries made by a rule 1380141;1453406727;mircea_popescu;as opposed to the usual manner (human-directed) 1380142;1453406743;asciilifeform;lemme guess, grepped for comments, and for 0-9 1380143;1453406915;asciilifeform;woah 1380144;1453406918;asciilifeform;REORG. 1380145;1453406994;asciilifeform;has anybody been graphing ph0rklets ? 1380146;1453407035;asciilifeform;massive shitflood of doublespends 1380147;1453407074;asciilifeform;and, interestingly, it is very easy to distinguish the tx spamola with naked eye 1380148;1453407099;asciilifeform;(moves very fresh coin back'n'forth) 1380149;1453407283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/ 1380150;1453407333;assbot;The sad state of Bitcoin code on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. 1380151;1453407333;mircea_popescu;and yes it is obvious. 1380152;1453407644;mircea_popescu;but yeah, re conference matchbox vs правильно matchbox, it is apparent that the matchsticks are more interesting than the box alone. 1380153;1453407893;jurov;http://blog.robertelder.org/7-weird-old-things-about-the-c-preprocessor/ << to spill some more C bile 1380154;1453407894;assbot;7 Scandalous Weird Old Things About The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OA8lDy ) 1380155;1453408053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379521 << doh. 1380156;1453408053;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 09:34:54; BingoBoingo: But basically this Hearnia is painting Janssens and some Obeast named "Marshall Long" as the reasons for the adverserial nature of ClassicCoin. Framing of course because it's what good instruments do so he can try to relevant himself again in six months 1380157;1453408119;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379535 << i don't think bmi is intended to cover that case. 1380158;1453408119;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 10:04:15; copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31. 1380159;1453408207;mircea_popescu;notably, at-birth ideal bmi is 30.5^2=12. 1380160;1453408243;deedbot-;[Trilema] The sad state of Bitcoin code - http://trilema.com/2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/ 1380161;1453408260;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) July 2016 to drop under 20 USD before June - http://bitbet.us/bet/1239/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-july-2016-to/#b10 1380162;1453408413;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379550 << iirc she was pretty hot, back in the 90s or w/e. 1380163;1453408413;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 10:47:32; assbot: Sunny Leone wows web over grilling about porn past - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnTuhQ ) 1380164;1453408564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29277 @ 0.00056271 = 16.4745 BTC [-] {3} 1380165;1453408566;asciilifeform;jurov: mega-link 1380166;1453408604;asciilifeform;mainly for http://recc.robertelder.org 1380167;1453408605;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OA9D1j ) 1380168;1453408624;asciilifeform;http://recc.robertelder.org/op-cpu.txt << he has a full toolchain, incl. c compiler, and several emulators for it 1380169;1453408625;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OA9GKA ) 1380170;1453408625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72799 @ 0.00055995 = 40.7638 BTC [-] {4} 1380171;1453408632;asciilifeform;every once in a while, i run into somebody like this 1380172;1453408645;asciilifeform;who understands the von neumann shitstack VERY WELL 1380173;1453408668;asciilifeform;so well that their trying to somehow reboot it, rather than burning it to the ground, begins to beggar the imagination 1380174;1453408718;asciilifeform;'It is called the 'One-Page CPU' because you can fit the specification on an 8.5 by 11 sheet of paper without margins using 8 point Consolas font, and still have lots of room to spare. It is intended to be an easy to emulate compile target that supports context switching and interrupts.' 1380175;1453408737;mircea_popescu;http://blog.robertelder.org/7-weird-old-things-about-the-c-preprocessor/ << all the items read to me like stuff typical of what happens with ad-hoc development by "tech savvy" people. 1380176;1453408737;assbot;7 Scandalous Weird Old Things About The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1OA8lDy ) 1380177;1453408761;asciilifeform;i suspect that ~emergence~ is a difficult concept for people. e.g., the fact that the digits of 'pi' are not in any sense 'random' 1380178;1453408779;asciilifeform;or that the sea of shit in which we are now drowning was implicit in 1940s model of computer, and is no accident 1380179;1453408793;mircea_popescu;i don't think most paradigms... to call personal ideologies thusly, do not allow for emergence specifically 1380180;1453408800;mircea_popescu;to assuage the fear of death issue. 1380181;1453408900;asciilifeform;incidentally, 'mips' cpu fits on one page: it was printed in the inner cover of the book my brother went to school with, and likewise inside same book, edition of decade later, and is in every other systems arch. book on the planet, also inside front cover. 1380182;1453408908;asciilifeform;so there is nothing new there. 1380183;1453408951;asciilifeform;reducing the cpu instruction set is sorta like lancing one particular bubonic boil on the body of a plague victim. 1380184;1453409007;mircea_popescu;5) Function Macros And Recursion <<< "What ended up being the bug in my preprocessor for this test case was in evaluating the argument prescanned tokens that were passed to a function macro invocation. If the function macro being invoked contained a token with the same identifier as the function macro being invoked, but didn't actually call that function macro, it would incorrectly disable this token. This bug combine 1380185;1453409008;mircea_popescu;d with another bug where tokens were copied by reference would mean that disabling one token could disable it in other places, so the outer valid macro invocation's token would be disabled and never able to expand again. The bug was around step (34)." 1380186;1453409014;mircea_popescu;jesus shit this shouldn't exist. 1380187;1453409043;asciilifeform;it is all-pervasive. 1380188;1453409064;asciilifeform;there is no place in computingdom where one does not find it after just a light scratch. 1380189;1453409074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu - http://trilema.com/2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/#comment-116293 1380190;1453409075;assbot;The sad state of Bitcoin code on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OAauPu ) 1380191;1453409135;mircea_popescu;aha. becqause for thugs not for cunts. 1380192;1453409163;asciilifeform;how does that make the difference ? 1380193;1453409189;mircea_popescu;!s "whenever man sits down to do anything" 1380194;1453409190;assbot;1 results for '"whenever man sits down to do anything"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22whenever+man+sits+down+to+do+anything%22 1380195;1453409215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not entirely sure. 1380196;1453409240;asciilifeform;i was somehow under the idea that the romans lounged around in their communal shitters, both sexes, for hours at a stretch, for no particularly good reason, just chit-chat 1380197;1453409246;asciilifeform;but not sure how i came upon this. 1380198;1453409265;mircea_popescu;incidentally, and perhaps relatedly, for a long time the concept of toilet consisted of a ditch api, upon which you could implement your arbitrary toilet at any point through placing a wooden beam\ 1380199;1453409278;mircea_popescu;that was the bath not the shitter. 1380200;1453409298;mircea_popescu;the idea that toilet belongs by the pool is about as alien to the roman as the idea that toilet belongs by kitchen sink is to you. 1380201;1453409313;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise 1380202;1453409326;asciilifeform;cloaka maxima was open air, etc. 1380203;1453409368;asciilifeform;sealed pipes from arse into the sea are a very modern (and shaky) abstraction. 1380204;1453409879;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai I am disappoint (sarcasm) https://archive.is/TYwxs 1380205;1453409880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPxQct ) 1380206;1453409880;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380207;1453409897;BingoBoingo; sealed pipes from arse into the sea are a very modern (and shaky) abstraction. << Not sealed the whole way, settling ponds etc 1380208;1453410007;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But there are definitely open shit pipes headed to the sea. Mississippi river is prime example. 1380209;1453410011;BingoBoingo;"Chun has made a concrete hard fork proposal since though the details of this proposal are not yet clear." 1380210;1453410070;mircea_popescu;lol 1380211;1453410070;trinque;straight into the shitpipe with that 1380212;1453410073;mircea_popescu;concrete means things nao 1380213;1453410139;shinohai;Hey BingoBoingo I emailed them twice, no one ever responded. 1380214;1453410148;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Hence the sarcasm 1380215;1453410175;mircea_popescu;does that link load anything for anyone ? 1380216;1453410188;BingoBoingo;Not yet, so https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/f-pool-chinese-pools-will-stick-with-bitcoin-core-1453395328 1380217;1453410189;assbot;F2Pool: Chinese Pools Will Stick with Bitcoin Core | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OAcHui ) 1380218;1453410204;mircea_popescu;heh. 1380219;1453410212;shinohai;I figured they weren't gonna say much until an "official announcement" despite Garzik trying to fly over and garner Classic support. 1380220;1453410238;mircea_popescu;heh. 1380221;1453410250;mircea_popescu;buncha inconsequential derps already. 1380222;1453410379;shinohai;"I admire Dr. Pieter Wuille’s brilliant hack to deploy it as a soft fork. But despite being brilliant, the soft fork Segregated Witness is still a hack. A hack is dirty. Such a technology would be better implemented as hard fork.” 1380223;1453410424;mircea_popescu;or as a bullet between the eyes. either way. 1380224;1453410796;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: remember when Garzik was all "Lets build a decentralized exchange for ASICMINER" 1380225;1453410801;thestringpuller;i need to find that article you wrote 1380226;1453411013;BingoBoingo;NINE TIMES A LOL: "We don't matter. What matters is begging the cartel of miners to adopt a change the community overwhelmingly wants." https://archive.is/cGTNK 1380227;1453411014;assbot;thouliha comments on Without official statement from miners and others, one should treat all reports of Classic losing support as subterfuge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPAi2z ) 1380228;1453411018;BingoBoingo;This is becoming meme 1380229;1453411043;BingoBoingo;They can't even beg for bits-coin anymore so they gotta beg for a bits-coin they might eventually have 1380230;1453411086;mircea_popescu;lol 1380231;1453411103;mircea_popescu;i gotta say the lulz delivery is satisfactory. 1380232;1453411156;BingoBoingo;Shit's popping up everywhere now. USG phillipino delivery for ClassicCoin must have finally arrived a week late 1380233;1453411980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125300 @ 0.00055869 = 70.0039 BTC [-] {2} 1380234;1453412019;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379586 << so i had the entire tree (all current patches in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches) pressed out through alf's latest two. then i made the changes. 1380235;1453412019;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 12:53:33; mircea_popescu: what init.cpp are you working on as an a mod6 ? 1380236;1453412020;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPCHKN ) 1380237;1453412055;mod6;so this guy: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch 1380238;1453412056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPCLdg ) 1380239;1453412062;mod6;has the following: 1380240;1453412067;mod6;diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 1380241;1453412067;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp ff7009f672bf400a42d1d7afb6e58aaf1c29d9c219fad51c5f17000243a485e92bbb250d3f4bbec3f0717d00fad620c294d537832671f20c0979fb3f1383779b 1380242;1453412070;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 29fbb8792c3462ced61b4a0284360122f72c4fef7fb5fb84e5399967ab6474cd83ccf3a60eb3c425e183b1b95fb9ca71fc23bb791316d762034559df293f8bb0 1380243;1453412073;mod6;and mine: 1380244;1453412091;mod6;diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 1380245;1453412091;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/init.cpp 29fbb8792c3462ced61b4a0284360122f72c4fef7fb5fb84e5399967ab6474cd83ccf3a60eb3c425e183b1b95fb9ca71fc23bb791316d762034559df293f8bb0 1380246;1453412094;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/init.cpp cbfb2d8c9a5b1d1c16a66291bcb1f9c7e185b02c7a07f023e1256ce52531f4fc6145fdcdb334e96caa5d31e8ce7aa6fa7aa24e59abd3e8899b17afa2054bc7cd 1380247;1453412097;mod6;so that should have been ok. 1380248;1453412129;mod6;not sure what happened there. maybe your local branch doesn't have alf's latest 2? 1380249;1453412199;mod6;anyway, jsut checking because I got asked about this separately. 1380250;1453412216;thestringpuller;ERROR: AcceptBlock() : out of disk space 1380251;1453412217;thestringpuller;ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED 1380252;1453412223;thestringpuller;^-- then cleanly shuts down 1380253;1453412241;thestringpuller;TRB gives me hope 1380254;1453412266;punkman;that's not what it gives 1380255;1453412277;mircea_popescu;mod6 ah makes sense, i was working off the prev release, which is actually incorrect. 1380256;1453412290;mircea_popescu;gg. 1380257;1453412335;mod6;ah, ok c-ya 1380258;1453412336;mod6;thx 1380259;1453412362;mod6;<+punkman> that's not what it gives << eh? 1380260;1453412474;punkman;"99% crapolade by weight" does not give hope. The work of the foundation is of course commendable and there is hope there. 1380261;1453412490;mod6;oooh 1380262;1453412491;mod6;ok 1380263;1453412495;punkman;thestringpuller: I guess answer to my own question, "WoT provides practical solution". If derp wants to learn, learn from trusted teacher in WoT. << /me is waiting for Ada master in need of apprentice 1380264;1453412499;mod6;thought you were talkin about those vpatches 1380265;1453412557;thestringpuller;punkman: i'll rephrase "The Foundation gives me hope" :P 1380266;1453412637;mircea_popescu;well... it's what, 650kb, so then the idea is that it should be condensable in 10kb or so ? 1380267;1453412645;mircea_popescu;epic, ascii will get his book in standard newspaper format. 1380268;1453412657;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/421oar/the_ever_humble_roger_ver_submits_link_to_twitter/ 1380269;1453412658;assbot;The ever humble Roger Ver, submits link to twitter account of Roger Ver, to tweet of Roger Ver, with twitter profile picture of Roger Ver, quoting Roger Ver, on forum controlled by Roger Ver. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPEm31 ) 1380270;1453412878;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/421oar/the_ever_humble_roger_ver_submits_link_to_twitter/cz70fh8 <<< ROFL 1380271;1453412879;assbot;shrinknut comments on The ever humble Roger Ver, submits link to twitter account of Roger Ver, to tweet of Roger Ver, with twitter profile picture of Roger Ver, quoting Roger Ver, on forum controlled by Roger Ver. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbZKbQ ) 1380272;1453413209;mircea_popescu;"Yves here. Get a cup of coffee. This is a deep dive into how Bitcoin works from a payment systems perspective, and why the failure of promoters and journalists to look at it in those terms has led them to greatly overestimate its significance." << "come hear my very novel take on why bitcoin is not disruptive because it doesn't do the buzzword i think i understand and for this reason matters more than everything else!" 1380273;1453413280;mircea_popescu;da fuck is "nakedcapitalism" anyway. the pompousness of these two-guys-and-their-hopes, 200 bucks in the bank ventures is nothing short of exactly what you'd expect. 1380274;1453413337;mircea_popescu; Bitcoin the currency is going nowhere. There is nothing behind it, and if it was big the governments would stop it, said Dimon. <<< :)) 1380275;1453413367;mircea_popescu;check it out alfie, your clone with less technical skills is running the usg's largest bank-department. 1380276;1453413447;mircea_popescu;http://codesuppository.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/the-lightning-network-reality-check.html << sadly on shitspot. not so terrible otherwise. 1380277;1453413448;assbot;John Ratcliff's Code Suppository: The Lightning Network Reality Check ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vc1G4b ) 1380278;1453413471;mod6;;;tslb 1380279;1453413477;danielpbarron;so am I the only one that hates 'tab' and prefers spaces when coding? 1380280;1453413478;gribble;Time since last block: 21 minutes and 4 seconds 1380281;1453413491;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron why would you prefer spaces ? 1380282;1453413503;danielpbarron;because then the code will always look the same no matter who views it 1380283;1453413514;mircea_popescu;why is that a good thing ? 1380284;1453413570;mircea_popescu;how the code LOOKS and what the code SAYS are drastically different matters. the code should say the same to everyone, but looks are unimportant. this is the same age old fundamental distinction between alphabet and literacy and symbolism and "creativity". 1380285;1453413749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62900 @ 0.00055843 = 35.1252 BTC [-] {4} 1380286;1453413797;mircea_popescu;the problem is that when you go from |\techo\s"hello\sworld!";| to |\s\s\s\secho\s"hello\sworld!";| you really went from 1380287;1453413797;mircea_popescu;|(line_indenter)echo(token_separator)"hello(token_separator)world!";| to |(token_separator)(token_separator)(token_separator)(token_separator)echo(token_separator)"hello(token_separator)world!";| 1380288;1453413820;mircea_popescu;this is a significant loss to everyone doing things that depend on the difference between one item and the other. 1380289;1453413830;danielpbarron;I also prefer the '{' on a newline vs on same line as function name. But I haven't done nearly as much coding as those of you who hate these conventions so what do I know 1380290;1453413860;mircea_popescu;the reason the newline { is hated is because it eats a line. people generally want to cram stuff in their screens. 1380291;1453413874;danielpbarron;so why not put the whole proggy on one line 1380292;1453413896;danielpbarron;back when i wrote my own html generator I had it spit everything out as one line 1380293;1453413901;mircea_popescu;note that there's a great tendency to condense lines by "meaning". which is what alf's proposal to stick a && in that double if clause comes to. 1380294;1453413917;adlai;you want to optimize screenful-legibility... this is a convex space, but far from linear 1380295;1453413920;mircea_popescu;"i want every one thing to be in a single place" is a deep driver of meta-programming. 1380296;1453413943;danielpbarron;seems to me it's easier to read when you can see the '{' and '}' line up 1380297;1453413947;adlai;s/-/X/ ie, product 1380298;1453413982;adlai;mircea_popescu: is MPEx still looking for btc/fiat options market makers? 1380299;1453414006;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1380300;1453414011;adlai;if so, where's the price signal? 1380301;1453414017;mircea_popescu;how would i know ? 1380302;1453414031;mircea_popescu;if someone that's respectable, competent and so on wants to do it i might entertain it. 1380303;1453414042;adlai;ok. is there another conf anytime soon? 1380304;1453414053;mircea_popescu;well, apparently not this year. maybe next. 1380305;1453414075;adlai;ok. i know somebody respectable, competent, and so on, and he isn't willing to give money to people he hasn't met in person. 1380306;1453414111;mircea_popescu;is whatever "he" that is in my wot ? 1380307;1453414129;adlai;you're not in his. 1380308;1453414136;mircea_popescu;mno, this is not how it works. 1380309;1453414142;mircea_popescu;he goes to six months log reading etc. 1380310;1453414173;adlai;or he finds somebody who's done it, because ain't nobody got time for this. s/nobody/$0 that Matters/ 1380311;1453414183;mircea_popescu;aaaand to make the matter quite plain, i've had it just about up to here witgh idiot jews who think they're exceptional. they aren't, the accomodation is 0, they;d better be fucking humble as if they're begging to avoid gang ass rape. 1380312;1453414187;mircea_popescu;mostly because they are. 1380313;1453414195;mircea_popescu;ok, this conversation is over. 1380314;1453414204;*;adlai enjoyed it, thank you for your time. 1380315;1453414205;mircea_popescu;i will, for the record, NEVER entertain anyone you propose for anything. 1380316;1453414225;adlai;lol kay 1380317;1453414271;*;adlai wonders whether he should re-rate mircea_popescu with the thing about "text, signed or otherwise" 1380318;1453414296;mircea_popescu;fancy what we're discussing in 2016, "oh hey, 2012 never happened, let's pretend that we matter and there's no deathstar in orbit". derp. 1380319;1453414328;*;adlai doesn't recall saying that he himself, that is, adlai_chandrasekhar, wants to meet mircea_popescu or market make options 1380320;1453414341;adlai;people do sometimes meet people outside of the internet! 1380321;1453414448;mircea_popescu;there's exactly zero leeway. noobs are noobs, and start at the noob place. whatever they may think of themselves. and the more they delay, the less they'll get for it. again irrespective of what they may think it's worth. 1380322;1453414528;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380239 << THIS IS what my 'o' command was for!11111 1380323;1453414528;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 21:34:22; mod6: has the following: 1380324;1453414529;mircea_popescu;there's a very ample history of idiots thinking they may bypass this, starting with bitcoinica. i welcome more victims, gladly. 1380325;1453414542;asciilifeform;mod6: does your vtron implement 'origin' ? 1380326;1453414602;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380266 << yes! and you can almost ~define~ 'sane system' this way. with the caveat that it can't be a non-orthogonal fudge like a program consisting of one line 'start_bitcoind()' nor anything in that spirit. ORTHOGONAL operators. 1380327;1453414602;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 21:43:57; mircea_popescu: well... it's what, 650kb, so then the idea is that it should be condensable in 10kb or so ? 1380328;1453414638;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hm ? 1380329;1453414658;asciilifeform;os+language such that a usable and correct bitcoin client is 10kB of src. 1380330;1453414661;*;danielpbarron was a victim of bitcoinica :< 1380331;1453414671;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: does your vtron implement 'origin' ? << no 1380332;1453414687;asciilifeform;mod6: but now you perhaps see why i did ? 1380333;1453414699;asciilifeform;it is to answer 'wtf did this come from' questions, as a class. 1380334;1453414709;mircea_popescu;honestly, i have no complaint with the absence. 1380335;1453414715;mod6;eh. kinda sorta, i gotta re-read that part when i get a chance. but i think that you think it's useful :] 1380336;1453414723;mod6;i can see about adding it. 1380337;1453414755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, that. myeah. that'd be nice. 1380338;1453414770;mircea_popescu;i think we might be a few iterations away from it yet tho 1380339;1453414808;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380275 << i could try feigning stupidity and becoming sturmbannfhrer of something, but i don't think it works like that - you can't turn into a hapsburg emperor by elongating your nose, last i heard 1380340;1453414808;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 21:56:07; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, your clone with less technical skills is running the usg's largest bank-department. 1380341;1453414838;mircea_popescu;he's equally convinced that "if it exists, is cuz god willed it, and should it go away, it will be through god's will" 1380342;1453414892;asciilifeform;لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله 1380343;1453414894;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) 1380344;1453414927;mircea_popescu;yeh but i don't think that group of nuts would like you, or you them. meanwhile the usgod crowd... prolly. maybe. who knows. 1380345;1453414972;asciilifeform;actually very similar 1380346;1453415012;asciilifeform;really not all that different in outlook, behaviour, thought pattern. 1380347;1453415135;mircea_popescu;well, it is pretty obnoxiously identical to my view, yeah. 1380348;1453415142;mircea_popescu;!up jixei_ 1380349;1453415234;shinohai;!rate Cristina -1 Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas. 1380350;1453415234;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/98b3014b9613d9dd 1380351;1453415241;mircea_popescu;o.O 1380352;1453415262;mircea_popescu;you're not angry at the chick for not putting out are you ? 1380353;1453415316;mod6;"Enjoy your shit bags." is how google just translated it. HAHA 1380354;1453415364;shinohai;She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams. 1380355;1453415423;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1380356;1453415430;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6f3872d78919c475735a63cefd4055f2/tumblr_o08vs45yd51u9fdrvo1_1280.jpg 1380357;1453415430;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prv5mt ) 1380358;1453415435;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.Cristina.-1:40c3c4340ad9d24dce23bbbdda229940e2fc9afe2e5b305e71cee5823a45b431 1380359;1453415435;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for Cristina from 1 to -1 with note: Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas. 1380360;1453415456;*;adlai sees nothing wrong with selling properly-labelled shitbags 1380361;1453415483;adlai;"caution: may contain peanuts, gluten, and glucose" is much better than "100% asbestos-phree!!!!' 1380362;1453415557;adlai;shinohai: care to say which and how much? this is financial data relevant to shitcoin-asseteers 1380363;1453415642;shinohai;I'll have her send you an email. 1380364;1453415646;shinohai;kek 1380365;1453415697;adlai;mno 1380366;1453415738;*;adlai gets enough altcoin spam by merely logging into reddit 1380367;1453415760;BingoBoingo; She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams. << Which shitcoin? 1380368;1453415839;BingoBoingo;It's useful to know which shitcoin it was this round and the record a running tab of what i++ next shitcoins are 1380369;1453415862;adlai;asciilifeform: care to translate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380342 better than google can? 1380370;1453415862;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 22:21:32; asciilifeform: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله 1380371;1453416489;BingoBoingo;Why not google that string to see if there are already human translations. Or just swim across the Micheal Jordan river and ask someone a little browner than yourself? 1380372;1453416508;BingoBoingo;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 7! 1380373;1453416509;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j ) 1380374;1453416572;*;adlai dons gascuba mask and swims to the "don't be evil" bank 1380375;1453416635;*;adlai still doesn't understand why asciilifeform quoted that 1380376;1453416687;BingoBoingo;Maybe your ergot friend can reveal the truth in a spiritual experience? 1380377;1453416709;asciilifeform;adlai: 'will of allah' thread 1380378;1453416710;adlai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYJhWIwGUw 1380379;1453416711;assbot;The Departed - Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPNQLs ) 1380380;1453416730;adlai;!s will of allah 1380381;1453416731;assbot;4 results for 'will of allah' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=will+of+allah 1380382;1453416788;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 aka "mutation testing"? 1380383;1453416788;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest? 1380384;1453416825;asciilifeform;adlai: that was from the thread concerning famous article 'artificial intelligence and natural stupidity' 1380385;1453416923;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pnVFLkUjM 1380386;1453416924;assbot;Obama: 'We're building Iron Man' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrxWvP ) 1380387;1453416936;adlai;https://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/teaching/courses/irm/mcdermott.pdf aka https://archive.is/4rhpa 1380388;1453416938;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrxYng ) 1380389;1453416938;assbot;MIND ~ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrxYni ) 1380390;1453416960;BingoBoingo;From the mines, Micheal Jordan edition: "MJ used to tell Johnny that Tiger Woods is an idiot. I tried to help him, but the kids gonna get caught. (we all know how that turned out). In order for a girl to get to MJ, she needed to go through 4 undercover former narcotics detectives just to speak to Michael. She had to be approved by all 4 to make sure she wasnt gonna say a damn word about MJ to anyone. So theres MJ, n 1380391;1453416960;BingoBoingo;ot the greatest character guy, but he sure was pretty smart." 1380392;1453416962;adlai;(latter is google cache's htmlized pdf) 1380393;1453417090;*;adlai would at least prefer a "tries hard but mostly fails", but will settle for "either retarted or usg" because it's 'nearly a laugh' 1380394;1453417443;punkman;https://medium.com/@BitFuryGroup/consensus-round-table-870c83c0c8bc 1380395;1453417444;assbot;Consensus Round Table — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PryMIV ) 1380396;1453417577;shinohai;"the Bock Size Increase" 1380397;1453417609;asciilifeform;brock size. 1380398;1453417618;punkman;large bocks are a good thing 1380399;1453417765;BingoBoingo;Large brocks are bad for the children 1380400;1453417777;shinohai;kazing 1380401;1453418301;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0AKY6BV.txt 1380402;1453418302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPR6Xd ) 1380403;1453418304;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1380404;1453418584;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380386 << da fuck does that even mean 1380405;1453418584;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 22:55:24; assbot: Obama: 'We're building Iron Man' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrxWvP ) 1380406;1453418688;mircea_popescu;be that as it may, in further other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c501e62db03341caddc5ee0fec0c59e9/tumblr_o08sgzzApW1u9fdrvo1_1280.jpg 1380407;1453418688;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrCpP4 ) 1380408;1453418765;mircea_popescu;WHEN: Saturday, January 23, 2016, 9:00 am-5:00 pm << lol two day lead-in ? desperation is dripping off. 1380409;1453418772;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/ 1380410;1453418806;mircea_popescu;to quote, "name's Pitt, and you ain't talkin' your ass outta this shit." 1380411;1453419227;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380409 << dun wanna make pete_dushenski cry, but this is a ~terrible~ summary, if i were whacked over the head and forgot about my patches, and had to re-learn them from that article, i'd have nfi what they were and why. 1380412;1453419227;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 23:26:12; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/ 1380413;1453419303;asciilifeform;(no discussion of how and why we ended up with static build, omitting the whole pogo thing, astonishingly foggy description of what orphans/bastards were and WHY they had to go, i could go on, and on) 1380414;1453419357;mircea_popescu;not very good homework huh. 1380415;1453419380;asciilifeform;dreadful. 1380416;1453419384;asciilifeform;sadly i can find no other word. 1380417;1453419592;asciilifeform;'Unsigned integers differ from signed integers in that the latter include both positive and negative integers whereas the former include only positive integers.' << this is wrong in at least two places 1380418;1453419803;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1380419;1453419810;mircea_popescu;the sign bit is the difference. 1380420;1453419859;mircea_popescu;!up circ-user-AYc7q 1380421;1453420112;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Any news on the Blizard front? 1380422;1453420160;mircea_popescu;moar other news http://41.media.tumblr.com/2b35f310bd18a5305e82d08b79f9b571/tumblr_n2qgo9JKWD1qczywmo1_1280.jpg 1380423;1453420161;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrFmiy ) 1380424;1453420519;mircea_popescu;Dec 22 17:01:42 in other news, "blocks" : 182731, << same system is now "blocks" : 347914. 1380425;1453420546;mircea_popescu;so i'm guessing... another 2-3 weeks for full sync, making a trb full sync take just about two months on a reasonable box. 1380426;1453420556;mircea_popescu;if only we had larger blocks. 1380427;1453420577;mircea_popescu;(actually, if only we had correctly implemented, ie multithreaded and non-io-idiotic, block verifier) 1380428;1453420844;BingoBoingo;So next year will be 3 months to sync, 2018 4 months, 2019 5 months etc. 1380429;1453420901;mircea_popescu;well... i would say 50^ of these two months are roughly due to the last year or so. so basically we'll be seeing +1 month / year indefinitely, as blocks can't get any fuller. 1380430;1453420939;mircea_popescu;by which math, quoite, 6 in 2020, 12 in 2026, two years by 2038 (when something or the other will be fixed in boost, apud satoshi) 1380431;1453421080;BingoBoingo;At least this gives a reasonable target of 2020-2026 for less shitty block verifier 1380432;1453421137;mircea_popescu;hopefully. 1380433;1453421197;pete_dushenski;i literally spent the last 3 hours in channel, typing away, wondering why assbot wasn't picking up my links, totally unawares that i hadn't voiced myself. that's some kind of new low. 1380434;1453421209;pete_dushenski;hurr durr is me 1380435;1453421219;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It appears you failed the development history portion of your comprehensive exam. Must retake. 1380436;1453421222;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/#comment-39384 1380437;1453421223;assbot;An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrH83l ) 1380438;1453421245;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes you'll be pleased to find your trb history prominently linked in part ii :) 1380439;1453421245;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380440;1453421265;pete_dushenski;or maybe ben will be choked that i only mentioned him on the shitty part of the history thus far, who knows 1380441;1453421298;pete_dushenski;anyways, small updates made as per asciilifeform's several suggestions 1380442;1453421384;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380372 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9g2szHsoz0 1380443;1453421384;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 22:48:28; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 7! 1380444;1453421385;assbot;DJ KHALED, AKON & TI "We Takin' Over" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrHsyY ) 1380445;1453421441;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Anyways the way comprehensive exams work is you gotta rewrite the thing either over the summer term or next semester from scratch. Hopefully before you next write for the comprehensive exam you read code. 1380446;1453421460;BingoBoingo;But props to pete_dushenski for trying to write for the comprehensive exam at this time. 1380447;1453421655;pete_dushenski;i did read come, while some of it made sense, much was chinese. but having gone through the process undoubtedly gave me the tools needed to launch my own public node. so there's that. 1380448;1453421666;pete_dushenski;s/come/some (code) 1380449;1453421704;pete_dushenski;s/having gone/going 1380450;1453421721;pete_dushenski;i must need a drink 1380451;1453421847;pete_dushenski;http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/3EE0/production/_87769061_33fd250e-5b35-4802-b575-be352ef87edb.jpg << pretty sure 99% of the internet is "smart like bill". lotta good it does them. 1380452;1453421847;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmziMb ) 1380453;1453422155;shinohai;https://redd.it/422ge4 1380454;1453422159;assbot;Pieter Wuille: "Opt-in RBF is not theft. It's indicating that you're not sure whether what you're submitting is the final form of the transaction" WTF ?!? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmAD5A ) 1380455;1453422252;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379678 << no objection here. 1380456;1453422252;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 14:40:51; mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch. 1380457;1453423011;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/#comment-39387 1380458;1453423013;assbot;An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmEa3H ) 1380459;1453423069;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: point taken. will add 'portatronic'. 1380460;1453423109;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: also recall the glibc agonies 1380461;1453423124;asciilifeform;these were the stimulus for the whole dns thermonuke thing 1380462;1453423183;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> Dec 22 17:01:42 Iin other news, "blocks" : 182731, << same system is now "blocks" : 347914. << almost there! 1380463;1453423201;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> if only we had larger blocks. << srsly right? 1380464;1453423231;mircea_popescu;in yet other other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3d812ac51098f15ad6c974acdf63736a/tumblr_n8aewlgLDV1t0quw8o1_1280.jpg 1380465;1453423233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhUFNU ) 1380466;1453423249;mod6;pete_dushenski: if I may be so bold, Sir: Some helpful info you may find in the monthly statements from the foundation. 1380467;1453423254;mircea_popescu; pete_dushenski: Anyways the way comprehensive exams work is you gotta rewrite the thing either over the summer term or next semester from scratch. Hopefully before you next write for the comprehensive exam you read code. << word. 1380468;1453423269;asciilifeform;^ 1380469;1453423298;asciilifeform;incidentally pete_dushenski doesn't have to write a history if he doesn't feel like it 1380470;1453423316;asciilifeform;but if he does, it ought to chip away at rather than add to the confusion, imho. 1380471;1453423319;*;BingoBoingo merely offering these comments so that at some point in the future members of our cult may be able to unironically honor each other with the title Doktor 1380472;1453423349;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks for taking the time to search through the code today and write it up. 1380473;1453423430;mircea_popescu;"I still haven't found anyone that is asking for RBF." << pretty muchg the definitive word on that derpage. 1380474;1453423439;asciilifeform;wtf is rbf ? 1380475;1453423443;asciilifeform;royal bank of fucktard ? 1380476;1453423448;mircea_popescu;there is exactly 0 demang for all the crap these dudes keep trying to paint as "innovation". 1380477;1453423469;mircea_popescu;i understand that they have no option, being unable to do anything and ambitious enough to want to be seen doing things. nevertheless. 1380478;1453423513;BingoBoingo; wtf is rbf ? << Yet another weirdo script for double spending unconfirmed transactions with a higher fee. Only pheature is being more polite than just doing it as has always been possible 1380479;1453423523;mircea_popescu;mod6 it wasn't that bad. but there's 1-200 man-hours in there easy going through all those cases and justifying them. not to mention that the ones that will need rewriting most llikely amount to two or three total rewrites of the codebase anyway. 1380480;1453423542;mircea_popescu;but such are the father's pistols. if only he were less of a drunk. 1380481;1453423597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rbf aka "replace by fee" is a nutty idea of peter todd that got a sour treatment hre a whole ago, but for incomprfehensible reasons, let's say, managed to obtain wuile's support. 1380482;1453423597;pete_dushenski;mod6: i actually found the monthly really very helpful, and i'm sure that i'll continue to find them of value. they're essential resources for shallowing out the steep learning curve :) 1380483;1453423612;pete_dushenski;*monthly reports 1380484;1453423613;mircea_popescu;or otherwise we could say the reasons are thoroughly comprehensible as they are reprehensible and just hang the lot. 1380485;1453423663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldn't it already be a thing if we had the fee-based mempool sorter ? 1380486;1453423678;mircea_popescu;in a sense. not really. 1380487;1453423708;asciilifeform;i.e. one could displace an unconfirmed tx of fee f by broadcasting doublespend where fee > f, at least with a certain nonzero probability 1380488;1453423714;mircea_popescu;the way this works is that i can say "take this and pay bob and keep a cent" and then later come and say "take this and pay alice instead and keep two cents", making the later guaranteed to overtake the former. 1380489;1453423724;mod6;602 instances of numeric wizardy, yup. lot to track down there. but, thanks again. it needed doing. 1380490;1453423728;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a sane mempool scheme, a 2 cent payment does not guaranteedly remove a 1 cent one from the mempool. 1380491;1453423734;mircea_popescu;maybe the cutoff is at a tenth of a cent ? 1380492;1453423740;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i can definitely say that the trb history is adding to ~my~ confusion, but i don't see that as something to be avoided. my hope is that i'll eventually make enough sense of this to relay it concisely to others. still much work to do, no doubt. 1380493;1453423751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did his scheme ~guarantee~ ? 1380494;1453423759;asciilifeform;seems to me that a miner can stuff any valid tx into a block 1380495;1453423761;mircea_popescu;yeah, there is that. 1380496;1453423774;mircea_popescu;but you know, the miners will implement whatever pr-derps tell them to!111 1380497;1453423791;mircea_popescu;because "important personalities and leaders of bitcoin" and whatnot. 1380498;1453423793;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i must agree with BingoBoingo: sadly, reading the actual code is not optional 1380499;1453423819;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: observe that even mircea_popescu has put on the apocalyptic gas mask and reads. 1380500;1453423868;asciilifeform;the ultimate authority on what the crock of shit actually does is the selfsame crock of shit. 1380501;1453423868;mircea_popescu;lol wut is this! 1380502;1453423894;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i read the patches, though admittedly little code. i'm probably not even competent enough to need gas mask though, so no worries. amor fati. 1380503;1453423919;asciilifeform;somebody here (ben_vulpes?) even learned cpp just for the occasion. 1380504;1453423938;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/b888e8335a231a2734ec1eef03379a40/tumblr_mf12tcSGGS1rms8vuo1_1280.jpg << "sorry, we've had some reports of thefts lately" 1380505;1453423939;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhVIgR ) 1380506;1453423942;asciilifeform;я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин (tm) (r) 1380507;1453423983;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that chick looks like she is eating a lemon or what 1380508;1453423990;mircea_popescu;well... she is. 1380509;1453423996;mircea_popescu;(lemon = old fag) 1380510;1453424149;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Much to be said for the learning value of patch by hand in addition to doing V-presses 1380511;1453424151;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380303 << bitcoin's too broken this year 1380512;1453424151;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 22:07:22; adlai: ok. is there another conf anytime soon? 1380513;1453424334;mircea_popescu;soo... apparently most of medium's visitors are from... india. and brazil. 1380514;1453424354;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: true enough. relatedly, 'tevye' is now running like a champ, keeping up with even asciilifeform's s00perbalticn0de. the difference ? aws banhammer. 1380515;1453424380;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: quite possibly awshammer is obsolete 1380516;1453424428;pete_dushenski;possibly or not possibly, it's the only thing i changed between yesterday and today. and the lag is gone. 1380517;1453424445;*;pete_dushenski to dinner, appreciates all input this eve. 1380518;1453424447;asciilifeform;malleus has same effect but more surgically precise. 1380519;1453424457;mod6;i conducted a second live-fire test today with the changes submitted by mircea_popescu & asciilifeform, here are the results: http://dpaste.com/29928TB.txt 1380520;1453424459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmImjZ ) 1380521;1453424510;asciilifeform;mod6: neato 1380522;1453424574;mircea_popescu;mod6 seems all good ? 1380523;1453424627;mod6;Everything looks ok to me. When not specifying a highs or lows flag, txn went through just fine no malleation. When '-lows' flag was passed, txn went through just fine, no malleation. WHen the '-highs' flag was passed, txns were malleated, as expected. 1380524;1453424634;mircea_popescu;incidentally, and unrelatedly to the "magic numbers" avenue of trb improvement : one obvious anbd cheap hardening for trb would be to allow the user control of entropy source. 1380525;1453424670;mircea_popescu;it is plainly inconceivable anyone uses a wallet for payments and doesn't do this. 1380526;1453424679;mircea_popescu;yet from what i know 99% actually do just that. 1380527;1453424684;mod6;So yep, pretty much same results as yesterday, althought it is noteable that not passing any flag at all ; no txns were dropped on the floor. They wern't malleated yesterdayr either, so it could have just been lots of spam yesterday or something similar. 1380528;1453424688;mod6;But noteable. 1380529;1453424692;mircea_popescu;this includes most "bitcoin businesses" in fiat. 1380530;1453424708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this means zapping openssl, realize. 1380531;1453424718;asciilifeform;is the only reason i didn't do it. 1380532;1453424721;mircea_popescu;i realise. 1380533;1453424730;mircea_popescu;well... we also have to eval the new scp251 or w/e package. 1380534;1453424754;mircea_popescu;mod6 spam is roughly 2x what it was yest. only 6.4k or so txn, vs 9k yest, however 65+mb worth 1380535;1453424772;mod6;ok interesting. 1380536;1453424779;mircea_popescu;oldest txn still from the 18th. 1380537;1453424829;mircea_popescu;now of course, what exactly is the mempool as far as each node is concerned varies, and the miner's nodes especially. so it's an iffy thing. anyway. 1380538;1453424840;mod6;re: entropy topic, perhaps ya, we can do something like this when we have a crypto lib 'eh? 1380539;1453424856;mircea_popescu;mod6 i don't think we can not read the wtf is that thing called 1380540;1453424876;mircea_popescu;libsecp256k1 1380541;1453424878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i found the prb ecdsa thing quite distasteful 1380542;1453424885;mircea_popescu;can you be specific ? 1380543;1453424891;asciilifeform;not because it was written by hitler, but because the thing is 50x the mass it needs to be. 1380544;1453424909;asciilifeform;as demonstrated by the nano-ecc folks 1380545;1453424914;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1380546;1453424948;mod6;hm 1380547;1453424952;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347815 << thread. 1380548;1453424952;assbot;Logged on 19-12-2015 22:12:24; asciilifeform: IF I CAN'T READ IT IN AN EVENING it is a turd 1380549;1453424963;mircea_popescu;it's widely deployed. 1380550;1453424969;mircea_popescu;it'll have to be read. 1380551;1453424970;asciilifeform;l0l aha. 1380552;1453424973;asciilifeform;like openssl. 1380553;1453424995;mircea_popescu;" Bitcoin is described by enthusiasts as potentially being bigger than the Internet itself (a claim I cant seem to understand, considering that Bitcoin is an Internet-powered technology)," 1380554;1453424999;mircea_popescu;what is wrong with these idiots. 1380555;1453425042;asciilifeform;btw does mircea_popescu intend to read the winblowz nt source too ? 1380556;1453425045;asciilifeform;widely deployed !1111 1380557;1453425088;mircea_popescu;if i were in that business. 1380558;1453425596;mats;http://www.defensionem.com/u-s-military-now-in-control-of-syrian-air-base 1380559;1453425598;assbot;U.S. Military Now In Control of Syrian Air Base | Defensionem ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmLEnm ) 1380560;1453425735;asciilifeform;http://www.defensionem.com/rise-fall-argentine-air-force << lulzy, from same www 1380561;1453425736;assbot;The Rise and Fall of the Argentine Air Force | Defensionem ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmM5y1 ) 1380562;1453425745;mats;why nobody is talking about how usg is actively violating .sy sovereignty, idk 1380563;1453425760;asciilifeform;no mention of kurt tank in the ^ oddly 1380564;1453425769;mats;int'l law: for other people that are not usg. 1380565;1453425779;asciilifeform;mats: usg does not believe in the sovereignty of any other crown anywhere 1380566;1453425782;asciilifeform;this is not a mega-seekrit 1380567;1453425813;mats;yes 1380568;1453426221;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Fi0fDVt7I << oddity of the day. 1380569;1453426221;assbot;苏联歌曲《田野上坦克轰鸣》"На поле танки грохотали" - 中文版 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrOy6t ) 1380570;1453426236;asciilifeform;^ perhaps only funny to phf and i. 1380571;1453426311;asciilifeform;lulzy comments 1380572;1453426333;asciilifeform;e.g., 'brothers, we will take washington together, you'll see' 1380573;1453426436;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/0SRXEVV << lulfest 1380574;1453426437;assbot;dpaste: 0SRXEVV: Terrill v. Gawker ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrOFPq ) 1380575;1453426437;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380576;1453427246;BingoBoingo;Moar energy lulz 1380577;1453427280;deedbot-;[Qntra] Concerns About United States Coal Industry Intensify - http://qntra.net/2016/01/concerns-about-united-states-coal-industry-intensify/ 1380578;1453427336;BingoBoingo;post updated. Forgot to close it with "Sorry for your loss" 1380579;1453427484;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1380580;1453427492;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 405.87, vol: 8766.54447752 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 406.332, vol: 8124.70728 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 405.69, vol: 27213.50172144 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 4.64326783 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 411.16152, vol: 79649.22250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.44999, vol: 777.80560536 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 415.494947755, vol: 110.20573996 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1380581;1453427494;BingoBoingo;;;more 1380582;1453427494;gribble;average: 409.260062078 1380583;1453427512;adlai;trinque: deedbot- constipated again? 1380584;1453428087;mats;asciilifeform: whats with this dpaste? dropped characters, spelling errors abound 1380585;1453428250;trinque;adlai: its behind was behind when I checked a few minutes ago 1380586;1453428394;trinque;was gagging on orphans, and now is processing blocks after retarting btcd 1380587;1453428397;*;trinque shakes his head 1380588;1453428413;trinque;adlai: deed should crap when it catches up; if it doesn't I'll be back later to kick it some more 1380589;1453428417;thestringpuller;btcd the go thing? 1380590;1453428425;thestringpuller;didn't conformal stop supporting btcd? 1380591;1453428439;trinque;that would not surprise me 1380592;1453428447;adlai;trinque: thank you for checking 1380593;1453428460;trinque;yw. bbl 1380594;1453428479;thestringpuller;trinque: y u no use trb? 1380595;1453428512;*;adlai recommends people read the last submission... rediscovered it while browsing a bathroom bookshelf 1380596;1453428594;adlai;for the classically-challenged lurkers: it's the last chapter of The Once and Future King, by T. H. White 1380597;1453428698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, the whole shebang's not worth 10mn. 1380598;1453428704;mircea_popescu;whether that may mean gawker or tinder. 1380599;1453428767;mircea_popescu; int'l law: for other people that are not usg. << it's widely reported in ru and chinese. "everyone" 1380600;1453428774;mircea_popescu;the arabs also aren't all that keen. 1380601;1453428851;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380584 << cruddy ocr from cryptome 1380602;1453428851;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 02:01:27; mats: asciilifeform: whats with this dpaste? dropped characters, spelling errors abound 1380603;1453428934;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel 1380604;1453428975;gabriel_laddel;https://octopart.com/xc6216-2hq240c-xilinx-10325634 1380605;1453428976;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJTWT4 ) 1380606;1453428976;mircea_popescu;does anyone want CPU: 2 x Intel E5645 6x2x2.4GHz; RAM: 96GB; 8x180GB SSD for any purpose ? 1380607;1453429011;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: what, for free? 1380608;1453429012;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: believe or not, i once wrote to the various folks claiming to have the 6216 1380609;1453429020;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel no, for money o.O 1380610;1453429022;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: back in... '09 1380611;1453429026;asciilifeform;got a reply, even 1380612;1453429039;asciilifeform;one antiquarian type offered it, for 400 or so 1380613;1453429069;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379613 << strictly disallowed in my shop 1380614;1453429069;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:38:10; mircea_popescu: SPACE ALLIGNMENT!!!1 who! why! jesus. 1380615;1453429078;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: do continue. 1380616;1453429085;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the story ends there. 1380617;1453429089;mircea_popescu;in other interbuttistic news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/b860c30bf1d675a8577958304430e459/tumblr_nwsd21EPcv1u6bcbyo1_1280.jpg 1380618;1453429089;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJUaK4 ) 1380619;1453429118;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the thing i wanted to do would've required several, and i lacked the dough at the time. 1380620;1453429127;asciilifeform;plus the possibility of scam 1380621;1453429134;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: How many, exactly? 1380622;1453429148;asciilifeform;at least 8. 1380623;1453429151;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: it should be possible to test them before purchase, right? 1380624;1453429160;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: how on earth do you propose to do THAT ? 1380625;1453429161;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379618 << dunno about this. laborious for certain, and would make the whole thing 10x more likely to 'fit in head'. 1380626;1453429161;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:59; asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability 1380627;1453429177;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wtf? 1380628;1453429185;asciilifeform;how does altering whitespace do anything for fit-in-head. 1380629;1453429198;asciilifeform;GET A SANE EDITOR folks 1380630;1453429203;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: to vendor: "if this is the real deal it should be able to run this program [include ascii file here], if it fries, I'm not buying it." 1380631;1453429210;BingoBoingo;whitespace is all about fits in eyes, not head 1380632;1453429217;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you do understand that these parts don't socket, right ? 1380633;1453429218;gabriel_laddel;"send me photos of output" 1380634;1453429218;ben_vulpes;consistency of code shape is a thing for mortals like myself 1380635;1453429228;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I do not. 1380636;1453429296;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: so how do I run a program on one of these things without a socket connection? 1380637;1453429304;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you mount it to a board 1380638;1453429318;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: and what, load in a binary? 1380639;1453429338;gabriel_laddel;can I unmount it afterwards without breaking it? 1380640;1453429349;asciilifeform;http://www.diymodules.org/img/eagle-preview.php?type=usr&id=2221&file=XILINX.lbr&package=PGA299&wd=250&ht=250 1380641;1453429350;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJUEji ) 1380642;1453429352;asciilifeform;and no. 1380643;1453429378;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Isn't the whole purpose of an FPGA that I can program it in place? 1380644;1453429379;asciilifeform;incidentally there ~was~ once a socket for these (pga299) 1380645;1453429388;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379662 << and how do you feel about mixed carriage returns and crlfs? 1380646;1453429388;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:56:38; mircea_popescu: it's bad enough in a project. in a same file it's insufferable. 1380647;1453429439;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes meh. they're equally stupid, but shouldn't get in the way of anything. 1380648;1453429450;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: fpga is pretty much never mounted in a socket (the low end xilinx cpld, e.g., 95xx series, do come in plcc - but high pin count makes this a bitch) 1380649;1453429459;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: btw why do you prefer tabs to 4 spaces? 1380650;1453429470;mircea_popescu;it's in the log! 1380651;1453429486;mod6;mircea_popescu: qq, would you be alright with this error message, as opposed to yours which has a line number in it: printf("ERROR, ECDSA_sign failed in key.h:Sign()"); 1380652;1453429486;ben_vulpes;hm 1380653;1453429508;mircea_popescu;mod6 sure. 1380654;1453429510;*;mod6 is a bit worried that we may have to additionally maintain possible changing line numbers. 1380655;1453429521;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the other thing is that my understanding is that the 6216 was never produced in serious quantity 1380656;1453429526;mircea_popescu;it's too soon for that, i guess. 1380657;1453429535;mod6;ok cool. I think an error like that narrows it down pretty good. 1380658;1453429545;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: surely we can turn up eight of them. 1380659;1453429549;mircea_popescu;(you have to understand - in principle, the extra maintenance is a mark of both fit in headness and "we really read these patches") 1380660;1453429557;mircea_popescu;so it's not a bad thing. but maybe not its time yet. 1380661;1453429563;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: it isn't like they're being used for something useful anywhere else. 1380662;1453429569;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you can turn up as many as you like and mount'em yourself. 1380663;1453429634;mod6;mircea_popescu: ya, not a bad thing at all. but yeah, maybe eventually we move to that once the source "cools down" so to speak. 1380664;1453429659;mircea_popescu;aha. 1380665;1453429721;*;mircea_popescu shudders at the simple count of how many return fail; there are that don't say anything else. 1380666;1453429730;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: To be clear, the part # for this is: XC6216-2HQ240C? 1380667;1453429741;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: there were at least four package variants. 1380668;1453429776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's after the legendary 'dragonfly' fpga. 1380669;1453429796;mircea_popescu;i was listening to see what's that all about. 1380670;1453429831;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you ever design a pcb of whatever kind ? 1380671;1453429853;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: nope. 1380672;1453429860;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: got any phriendz who have ? 1380673;1453429866;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: nope. 1380674;1453429869;asciilifeform;make some. 1380675;1453429980;*;asciilifeform was not always a burned out old man, was once an eager sort of kid, like gabriel_laddel 1380676;1453430026;*;asciilifeform even bought first fpga as a schoolboy without understanding that it will have to be mounted somewhere. still have it. 1380677;1453430051;asciilifeform;wasn't up to making a pqfp144 0.5mm pitch pad for it in the kitchen. 1380678;1453430684;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1380679;1453430685;gribble;804048104.027 1380680;1453430690;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1380681;1453430694;gribble;Current Blocks: 394385 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1380682;1453431772;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/0K3mx 1380683;1453431773;assbot;fbkkgzngvxgmhx5ddcmc.jpg (800x285 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoOvh4 ) 1380684;1453431946;mod6;ok i see what my hangup is. 1380685;1453431974;mod6;so when i use Mr. P.'s pat: http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG.txt 1380686;1453431975;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20iaFEr ) 1380687;1453432048;mod6;it pretty much applies the same, and if then I do a vdiff of a/bitcoin/src/key.h to b/bitcoin/src/key.h (where Mr. P.'s patch was applied in b/.../) then the diff looks the same. 1380688;1453432059;mod6;only problem here is, it adds in spaces instead of tabs 1380689;1453432086;mod6;so then if I go line by line adding tabs instead of the spaces, i get a bit of a different vdiff output as such: 1380690;1453432131;mircea_popescu;mod6 really you shouldn't do this manually, just s/ /\t/ 1380691;1453432170;jurov;mod6 and why not "failed at" #__LINE__ "in" #__FILE__ 1380692;1453432230;BingoBoingo;NSFL, what C++ feels like https://sli.mg/a/GAS4S4 1380693;1453432231;assbot;Diabetes - Infection, Osteomyelitis, Gangrene ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoOMQY ) 1380694;1453432269;mod6;http://dpaste.com/06G91Q7.txt 1380695;1453432270;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoONEv ) 1380696;1453432307;mod6;<+jurov> mod6 and why not "failed at" #__LINE__ "in" #__FILE__ << sounds good to me, can you give me a full example so I don't screw this up, ive never used tat before. 1380697;1453432333;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 really you shouldn't do this manually, just s/ /\t/ << lemme try with this. thx. 1380698;1453432361;jurov;the example i gave is pretty much complete. and you ought to experiment with it 1380699;1453432383;jurov;maybe __FILE__ gives full path, i don't remember, then it's not very desirable 1380700;1453432392;mircea_popescu;it's just compiler directivation. 1380701;1453432399;mircea_popescu;well, preprocessor technically. 1380702;1453432411;mircea_popescu;simply gets replaced wit hthe right numbers pre compile time 1380703;1453432440;jurov;but __LINE__ should be used in any case, and # causes it to be treated as string 1380704;1453432641;mod6;hmm. same thing. 1380705;1453432648;mod6;oh boy this is obnoxious. 1380706;1453432700;mod6;maybe i need to go line by line and do it all by hand. 1380707;1453432825;jurov;if you go ahead with tabs, do you want lxr to ignore whitespace changes in diffs? 1380708;1453432858;mod6;<+jurov> the example i gave is pretty much complete. and you ought to experiment with it << would this work? : printf("ERROR, ECDSA_sign failed at #__LINE__ in #__FILE__\n"); 1380709;1453432872;jurov;for me it was amusing to see the amount of bile spent on that 1380710;1453432902;jurov;mod6 yes that should work 1380711;1453432919;mod6;ima leave that out for now. 1380712;1453432975;jurov;mod6 ^ that was answer to my lxr q? 1380713;1453433019;mod6;ah, now. im gonna leave the #__LINE__ #__FILE__ thing out. 1380714;1453433023;mod6;*no 1380715;1453433029;mod6;*sigh* 1380716;1453433050;mod6;i gotta figure out how to get this patch exactly correct. can't seem to do it. 1380717;1453433082;jurov;what are you doing? 1380718;1453433142;jurov;if your're applying s/ /\t/ straight to the diff, that won't work, the format does require space after + or - 1380719;1453433202;mod6;no not straight to the diff. 1380720;1453433205;mod6;post application 1380721;1453433234;mod6;basically, im trying to get my +/- to look like mr. p.'s. but i can't seem to achieve that. 1380722;1453433243;mod6;after i apply his patch, there are no tabs, only spaces. 1380723;1453433296;mod6;and when I replace :293,331 s/ /\t/ it basically ends up looking like this: 1380724;1453433337;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0MP6SVW.txt 1380725;1453433338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20icml9 ) 1380726;1453433346;mod6;who knew that creating the patch would be harder than the code itself. 1380727;1453433463;jurov;yes this is the wrong approach, you ended up with +\t there 1380728;1453433496;jurov;why can't you replace with tabs *before* running diff? 1380729;1453433532;mod6;huh, dunno, guess i could try that. 1380730;1453433557;jurov;also, looks like you replaced only first " " in line anyway 1380731;1453433600;jurov;s/ /\t/g replaces all occurences but best solution is to set vim (or any editor) to use only tabs 1380732;1453433613;jurov;and then :retab 1380733;1453433631;jurov;(or whatever equivalent your editor does) 1380734;1453433649;asciilifeform;ftr i think the whitespace thing is lunacy 1380735;1453433659;asciilifeform;USE MOTHERFUCKING EMACS 1380736;1453433671;asciilifeform;i don't need 200kB diffs. 1380737;1453433672;mod6;<+mod6> huh, dunno, guess i could try that. << failed to patch 1380738;1453433673;asciilifeform;for anything. 1380739;1453433723;asciilifeform;if somebody wants to mechanically retab the genesis and regen ALL OF THE VPATCHES - go ahead 1380740;1453433767;asciilifeform;but this is an astonishing waste of time imho 1380741;1453433770;asciilifeform;while rome burns. 1380742;1453433789;jurov;meh, i'm like... let them have their whitespace/style holy wars, they'll learn someday 1380743;1453433842;jurov;if mod6 learns to set up his editor to emit consistent kind of whitespace, then today was not wasted 1380744;1453433847;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Nero isn't playing his fiddle yet. 1380745;1453433940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38052 @ 0.00056605 = 21.5393 BTC [+] {3} 1380746;1453434184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00055795 = 32.3053 BTC [-] {2} 1380747;1453434445;trinque;thestringpuller │ trinque: y u no use trb? << it's in the works. 1380748;1453434500;trinque;looks like that'll happen in about 40k blox 1380749;1453434756;mircea_popescu; after i apply his patch, there are no tabs, only spaces. << i made a tab'd one, then asciilifeform wanted a different one so i made that too. which are you looking at ? 1380750;1453434792;mod6;This one here: http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG.txt 1380751;1453434794;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20iaFEr ) 1380752;1453434809;mircea_popescu;that's the 2nd one ? 1380753;1453434833;mod6;lemme check 1380754;1453434837;mircea_popescu;or what, we discover dpaste auto-fucks-up the tabs anyway 1380755;1453434914;mod6;(13:43) <+mircea_popescu> mod6 http://dpaste.com/2CH23F5 << in the humble hope that it may serve. << first one 1380756;1453434916;assbot;dpaste: 2CH23F5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1npzalm ) 1380757;1453434916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 256700 @ 0.0005584 = 143.3413 BTC [+] {5} 1380758;1453434923;mod6;(13:52) <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG << second one 1380759;1453434924;assbot;dpaste: 26VKRQG ... ( http://bit.ly/1npAFQi ) 1380760;1453434946;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> or what, we discover dpaste auto-fucks-up the tabs anyway << im starting to wonder... 1380761;1453435032;ben_vulpes;aha, ms. smith made the log finally! 1380762;1453435050;*;ben_vulpes waves to yves 1380763;1453435074;mod6;i did a `wget http://dpaste.com/2CH23F5.txt -O mp.first.diff` and the tabs in the + side seem to be preserved. 1380764;1453435075;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXD01E ) 1380765;1453435082;mod6;but I didn't apply that one, just the second. 1380766;1453435085;mod6;lemme see on that one. 1380767;1453435152;mod6;yah, second one has no tabs at all. 1380768;1453435182;mircea_popescu;heh. so i try to use inept merchant. inept merchant doesn't take bitcoin, but takes a variety of bullshit "payment processors", one of which "payza". i go whatever, they pop up a 0.04blabla btc, which i pay. turns out THEY WON'T PROCESS the payment they advertised until you "verify", ie click on some link in email. so i do. turns out they still won't process the payment they advertised, untill you... fill a form. so i 1380769;1453435182;mircea_popescu;fill a form. turns out they... STILL won't process the payment they advertised, unti... you upload "documents". and they'll send your bitcoin back, of course. ALSO after you upload "documents". 1380770;1453435207;ben_vulpes;heh clever 1380771;1453435210;mircea_popescu;consequently, ikf anyone wants a payza account with 16 bux in it, it's crap@trilema.com, gangbangA1, and 12345678 "pin" w/e the shit that is. 1380772;1453435211;mircea_popescu;have fun. 1380773;1453435267;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, totally so very clever they'll spend thousands of dollars to dig themselves out of this pr hole and wonder why it dun work. 1380774;1453435341;ben_vulpes;clever enough to get in trouble. 1380775;1453435350;mircea_popescu;how this shit usually works. 1380776;1453435404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79600 @ 0.0005574 = 44.369 BTC [-] {2} 1380777;1453435431;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski aha, ty 1380778;1453435432;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380779;1453435467;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski also, considering a jeep cherokee or a toyota land cruiser of 2000 and 89 vintage for babywagon, any thoughts on either? 1380780;1453435468;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1380781;1453435482;ben_vulpes;goals being low tco, ease of finding parts and cost of maintenance hours. 1380782;1453435520;mircea_popescu;mod6 2nd one is deliberately made to not have tabs so as not to offend alf's diff. 1380783;1453435546;ben_vulpes;http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/ << seconded for an in-depth discussion of the static build crapocalypse, and why we even bother with static builds anyways at the very least 1380784;1453435548;assbot;An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXE2uA ) 1380785;1453435646;mircea_popescu;18<asciilifeform> but this is an astonishing waste of time imho << is it me or is this tack exactly opposite of what you were saying 6 hours ago ?! 1380786;1453435653;asciilifeform;nope 1380787;1453435674;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379617 ? 1380788;1453435674;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:24; asciilifeform: idiocy is ~contagious~ 1380789;1453435683;asciilifeform;it is 1380790;1453435685;mircea_popescu;... 1380791;1453435695;mircea_popescu;so which is it ? 1380792;1453435707;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379618 1380793;1453435707;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:59; asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability 1380794;1453435718;mircea_popescu;how would it do that ? 1380795;1453435738;asciilifeform;by having 600KB of crud to read! 1380796;1453435743;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380503 << aye, to the extent that i 'learned cpp', and to the extent that i can even be said to 'know' any other programming language. 1380797;1453435743;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 00:51:59; asciilifeform: somebody here (ben_vulpes?) even learned cpp just for the occasion. 1380798;1453435750;asciilifeform;because it touches every line ? 1380799;1453435769;mircea_popescu;you don't have to read anything. apparently you don't even read the log lines! 1380800;1453435769;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379678 1380801;1453435769;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 14:40:51; mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch. 1380802;1453435796;mircea_popescu;it's absolutely machine-verifiable, you also get some people's signatures, what's the problem. 1380803;1453435803;asciilifeform;so genesis-2 ? 1380804;1453435805;ben_vulpes;'scouring of spaces' means the tab-replacement? 1380805;1453435817;mircea_popescu;myea 1380806;1453435820;asciilifeform;why not also get rid of the idiot { on own line thing then. 1380807;1453435830;asciilifeform;and the ( foo ) 1380808;1453435831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24918 @ 0.0005574 = 13.8893 BTC [-] 1380809;1453435833;mircea_popescu;stop moving the fucking discussion omfg. 1380810;1453435833;ben_vulpes;WHY NOT WRITE A STYLE GUIDE WHILE WE'RE AT IT 1380811;1453435852;asciilifeform;hey the tabs thing only matters because mircea_popescu insists on programming in 'nano' 1380812;1453435862;mircea_popescu;you just said 1380813;1453435863;mircea_popescu;o god. 1380814;1453435871;mircea_popescu;i dun have the energy to chase this. whatevs. 1380815;1453435884;asciilifeform;hey if the man wants to program in 'nano' who am i to say. 1380816;1453435893;asciilifeform;i can only take off my hat... 1380817;1453435912;asciilifeform;anyway, who wants to regenesis, go. 1380818;1453435915;mircea_popescu;barrier to coding should properly be "is willing to :retab back and forth forever because idiocy is contagious and we gotta argue all sides of any point". 1380819;1453435918;asciilifeform;i'll sign. 1380820;1453435945;ben_vulpes;'regenesis' << actually start over?! 1380821;1453435956;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: nah, see above 1380822;1453435983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one day your "idiocy is contagious and fixing it a collosal waste of time and i've changed my mind and wah wah" thing'll land you in the soup. 1380823;1453436008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you did not understand what i meant when said 'contagious' 1380824;1453436032;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1380825;1453436032;asciilifeform;specifically that i saw leaving the formatting alone as a forced thing. 1380826;1453436080;mircea_popescu;is the formatting as is idiocy or is it not idiocy. 1380827;1453436103;asciilifeform;sure is 1380828;1453436114;asciilifeform;but it ranked dead last on my list of what must be fixed. 1380829;1453436115;mircea_popescu;then i fail to understand what objection you have. 1380830;1453436131;mircea_popescu;this is not what you said, neither at the first juncture, nor at the 2nd juncture. 1380831;1453436131;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380586 << this is my fault and i am terribly sorry 1380832;1453436131;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 02:06:34; trinque: was gagging on orphans, and now is processing blocks after retarting btcd 1380833;1453436132;asciilifeform;trb has papercut on one arm, gangrene in the other. 1380834;1453436150;mircea_popescu;but anyway. off to cinephile. 1380835;1453436163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my objection was to the notion of reading 600kB patches of spaces-to-tabs-every-line 1380836;1453436176;BingoBoingo;Sounds like other arm could use papercut too, but cranked up to 11 1380837;1453436179;asciilifeform;but if you want to auto-munge the whole thing, why not 1380838;1453436198;trinque;ben_vulpes: whatwhatwhat ? 1380839;1453436228;ben_vulpes;i set you on the btcd snipe hunt aeons ago iirc 1380840;1453436236;mod6;so this is what i'm gonna do 1380841;1453436248;mod6;im gonna add the code to key.h by hand. 1380842;1453436271;mod6;then im gonna add tabs infront of all the non-empty lines in Sign() 1380843;1453436293;mod6;and we'll go from there. 1380844;1453436394;trinque;ben_vulpes: now it's stuck on a block 1-2 back, because reasons 1380845;1453436500;trinque;ah nah it finally went 1380846;1453436552;trinque;and so shall I, gnite #b-a 1380847;1453436558;ben_vulpes;o/ 1380848;1453436758;mod6;ok here we are: http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt 1380849;1453436760;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXGjpF ) 1380850;1453436821;mod6;if you do a pull of that patch (be sure to obviously run dos2unix on it to get rid of CRLF), you should see that all of the lines in key.h:Sign() have tabs in front of them. 1380851;1453436833;mod6;i guess we can pick this up tomorrow, or whenever. 1380852;1453436839;mod6;i apprecaite you all trying to help me. 1380853;1453437575;ben_vulpes;hey mod6 1380854;1453437598;ben_vulpes;i may simply be exhausted, but i don't see immediately how the code inside the two branches is supposed to work 1380855;1453437603;mod6;ok. 1380856;1453437609;mod6;so, by example 1380857;1453437624;mod6;let's do fLowS first. 1380858;1453437626;ben_vulpes;i get the conditional branching on the flag, but now how the identical code in the branches enforces high/low-s-ness 1380859;1453437646;ben_vulpes;okay, fLowS it is. 1380860;1453437680;mod6;fLowS = true, order = 100000, halforder = 50000 (hence rshift1), and sig->s = 40000 1380861;1453437744;mod6;then this line: (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) > 0) will return -1 since 40000 < 50000 1380862;1453437773;mod6;and we do nothing, sig->s is already low. 1380863;1453437781;mod6;next example 1380864;1453437791;mod6;fLowS = true, order = 100000, halforder = 50000 (hence rshift1), and sig->s = 60000 1380865;1453437816;mod6;(BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) > 0) evaluates to 1 since 60000 > 50000 1380866;1453437833;mod6;then we do this line: 1380867;1453437836;mod6;BN_sub(sig->s, order, sig->s); 1380868;1453437885;mod6;[ which is defined as : int BN_sub(BIGNUM *r, const BIGNUM *a, const BIGNUM *b); BN_sub() subtracts b from a and places the result in r ("r=a-b"). ] 1380869;1453437930;mod6;so we have: sig->s is assigned to 10000 - 60000 ; sig->s now = 40000 1380870;1453437936;mod6;bah 1380871;1453437939;mod6;*100000 1380872;1453437958;mod6;you follow? 1380873;1453437982;*;ben_vulpes still reading 1380874;1453438167;mod6;i'll note the code is not *identical* it does have different greater than, less than signs. 1380875;1453438174;ben_vulpes;forgive further derpitude, but how on earth does `BN_CTX_get(ctx)` return two different values? 1380876;1453438258;mod6;ima point you at this for right now, and we can discuss all of that later perhaps: http://linux.die.net/man/3/bn_ctx_get 1380877;1453438259;assbot;bn_ctx_get(3): use temporary BIGNUM variables - Linux man page ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXJ5v7 ) 1380878;1453438275;mod6;this too: http://linux.die.net/man/3/bn_ctx_new 1380879;1453438276;assbot;bn_ctx_new(3): allocate/free BN_CTX structures - Linux man page ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXJ6iw ) 1380880;1453438281;mod6;etc, there are man pages for each. 1380881;1453438283;ben_vulpes;roger. 1380882;1453438286;ben_vulpes;will read more. 1380883;1453438305;mod6;ok, so did the first and second case for fLowS make sense then? 1380884;1453438306;ben_vulpes;ah i see 1380885;1453438314;ben_vulpes;need to read more. let's revisit tomorrow. 1380886;1453438324;mod6;ok 1380887;1453438330;mod6;i'll type this out anyway. 1380888;1453438337;mod6;so now on to fHighS 1380889;1453438377;mod6;fHighS = true, order = 100000, halforder = 50000 (hence rshift1), and sig->s = 60000 1380890;1453438456;mod6;then this part: (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0) will return 1 since 60000 > 50000 1380891;1453438464;mod6;and we do nothing, sig->s is already high 1380892;1453438468;mod6;next example 1380893;1453438513;mod6;fHighS = true, order = 100000, halforder = 50000 (hence rshift1), and sig->s = 40000 1380894;1453438540;mod6;then this part: (BN_cmp(sig->s, halforder) < 0) will return -1 since 40000 < 50000 1380895;1453438581;mod6;then we jump into the if block and execu: 1380896;1453438583;mod6; BN_sub(sig->s, order, sig->s); 1380897;1453438599;mod6;again [ which is defined as : int BN_sub(BIGNUM *r, const BIGNUM *a, const BIGNUM *b); BN_sub() subtracts b from a and places the result in r ("r=a-b"). ] 1380898;1453438618;mod6;so we have: sig->s = 100000 - 40000. 1380899;1453438631;mod6;sig->s == 60000 (or "high") 1380900;1453438640;mod6;volla 1380901;1453442255;BingoBoingo;;;ticker--market all 1380902;1453442255;gribble;Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command. 1380903;1453442299;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1380904;1453442307;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 399.37, vol: 10882.56721678 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 400.3, vol: 8384.13004 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 397.5, vol: 36247.56345948 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.2, vol: 6.22430836 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.00304, vol: 88223.39620000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 414.544176, vol: 125.53458151 | Volume-weighted last average: 398.740525367 1380905;1453443361;BingoBoingo;!up jimmy16 1380906;1453443471;ben_vulpes;ugh cpp 1380907;1453443477;ben_vulpes;fucking pointers and in place mutation 1380908;1453443518;*;ben_vulpes breathes through the nausea 1380909;1453443639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00055963 = 18.9435 BTC [-] 1380910;1453443682;ben_vulpes;AND NOW I BLESS THEE WITH THE HOLY BIGNUM THIS FUNCTION PASSES ALL AROUND ITSELF 1380911;1453445487;BingoBoingo;https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/File:Gamerfruit.png 1380912;1453445489;assbot;File:Gamerfruit.png - Lolcow Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ku4Ydl ) 1380913;1453446018;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 415 @ 0.00263136 = 1.092 BTC [+] 1380914;1453446323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57067 @ 0.00055677 = 31.7732 BTC [-] {3} 1380915;1453446428;ben_vulpes;"As always when a large group of people without prior exposure to Jace are introduced to his world, every single existing theory on his authenticity was brought up and discussed in great detail, as were questions concerning the state of mental health care in the United States, the situation of veterans, and the practicality of using a Prius in a street race." << ladies and gentlemen, i present...my peers in the eyes of american law. 1380916;1453446434;ben_vulpes;https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Operation_Wu-Pocalypse 1380917;1453446435;assbot;Operation Wu-Pocalypse - Lolcow Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0GgGH ) 1380918;1453446711;BingoBoingo;lol 1380919;1453446749;*;BingoBoingo just stumbled upon this lulz catalog yesterday after getting my quarterly fix of CWC updates 1380920;1453446953;ben_vulpes;"the reason why cops call it the web is because, The online is a 'Web' of lies and/or Computers are Satans kingdom on earth" 1380921;1453447757;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380404 nothing, it's a comedy sketch 1380922;1453447757;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 23:23:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380386 << da fuck does that even mean 1380923;1453448465;BingoBoingo;Basically Ironman's that movie where batman finally spends enough Hodl to build a suit that lets him do all the things superman does 1380924;1453448580;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 401 @ 0.00263798 = 1.0578 BTC [+] {2} 1380925;1453449251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.0005567 = 29.7835 BTC [-] {3} 1380926;1453449282;punkman;http://kuow.org/post/amazon-hires-homeless-workers-and-everyone-ends-disappointed 1380927;1453449283;assbot;Amazon Hires Homeless Workers – And Everyone Ends Up Disappointed | KUOW News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCQmA0 ) 1380928;1453449710;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3692 1380929;1453449712;assbot;JL: Insane Welfare Whore Alliance ... ( http://bit.ly/20isW4C ) 1380930;1453450630;BingoBoingo;punkman: from same wrap http://kuow.org/post/goat-rentals-take-seattle-first-day-amazon-home-services 1380931;1453450632;assbot;Goat Rentals Take Off In Seattle On First Day Of Amazon Home Services | KUOW News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/20itWpe ) 1380932;1453451031;danielpbarron;http://www.fastcompany.com/3055510/these-vibrating-yoga-pants-will-correct-your-downward-dog >> For example, if your hip is rotated too far inwards in warrior pose, a vibration will move across the hip in an outwards direction, like the guiding hands of a yoga instructor. When everything’s aligned, the tights give off a gentle "om" hum. 1380933;1453451032;assbot;These Vibrating Yoga Pants Will Correct Your Downward Dog ... ( http://bit.ly/20iuqM2 ) 1380934;1453451172;danielpbarron;>> The Nadi tights, which were announced at CES and will be available for pre-sale in May, can survive up to 25 washes. << planned obsolescence, now for pants! 1380935;1453451355;BingoBoingo;lol 1380936;1453451380;punkman;you know there are clothes that can survive 0 washes 1380937;1453451510;punkman;http://static1.squarespace.com/static/510e844de4b0837c157cabb1/t/569a060876d99c4f391154fe/1452934668171/Kayla_Varley-09.jpg 1380938;1453451511;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8RSsr ) 1380939;1453452071;punkman;http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=614<< these would be fun for "industrial-strength node", at least after some parallelizing 1380940;1453452073;assbot;500 - Internal server error. ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8SCO7 ) 1380941;1453452248;punkman;https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CCR10098GS1S-PC&eq=&Tp=&o1=0 1380942;1453452250;assbot;MikroTik CCR1009-8G-1S-PC - Cloud Core Router w/ 9 core Passive Cool ... ( http://bit.ly/20ivRKx ) 1380943;1453453437;BingoBoingo;http://www.oncaremedical.com/products/fall/liftSeat.oncare 1380944;1453453438;assbot;OnCare LiftSeat - Powered Toilet Lift - OnCare ... ( http://bit.ly/20ixh7U ) 1380945;1453454253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158150 @ 0.00055619 = 87.9614 BTC [-] {4} 1380946;1453455045;punkman;"The OnCare™ LiftSeat® Powered Toilet Lift™ features LiftTek™ core assistive technology" "patent-pending drop-in commode bucket" 1380947;1453455194;punkman;http://www.oncaremedical.com/products/wound/dolphin.oncare pretty cool 1380948;1453455196;assbot;Dolphin Fluid Immersion Simulation - Therapeutic Bed & Mattress - OnCare ... ( http://bit.ly/20izFeH ) 1380949;1453457791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00055672 = 13.751 BTC [+] {2} 1380950;1453458279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00055903 = 24.4017 BTC [+] {2} 1380951;1453458514;BingoBoingo;Hello TheNewDeal 1380952;1453458605;TheNewDeal;oh hi there 1380953;1453458626;BingoBoingo;How have you been? 1380954;1453458721;TheNewDeal;so so, how bout you? 1380955;1453458832;BingoBoingo;Not to bad 1380956;1453458863;BingoBoingo;*too 1380957;1453459438;BingoBoingo;They still out to get you? 1380958;1453459442;deedbot-;[Qntra] FBI Begins Negotiations With Oregon Liberators - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fbi-begins-negotiations-with-oregon-liberators/ 1380959;1453460658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00055672 = 17.3975 BTC [-] 1380960;1453460780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00055704 = 20.8054 BTC [+] 1380961;1453461695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00055751 = 27.6525 BTC [+] {4} 1380962;1453465587;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380835 << yeah well, that's sheer insanity. i wouldn't. 1380963;1453465587;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 04:16:03; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my objection was to the notion of reading 600kB patches of spaces-to-tabs-every-line 1380964;1453466419;mircea_popescu;my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? 1380965;1453466556;mircea_popescu;and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ? 1380966;1453466576;mircea_popescu;especially after hanging out here i trust c++ about as much as php with these sorts of things 1380967;1453466846;mircea_popescu;the wisdom seems to be that "don't fucking memcpy by hand, the compiler inlines (or even register-moves) most assignments itself and unlike you it fucking knows when to do it", but hey. 1380968;1453466878;mircea_popescu;i can't help myself but suspect there may have been a good reason for the weird, even given the immense piles of pointless insanity scattered throughout the code. 1380969;1453467246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00055695 = 12.0301 BTC [-] 1380970;1453467470;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380926 << did cosmo kramer (ex ceo, kramerica industries) end up hired as vp for fluentization and finally got to push through his pet project of homeless-driven rickshaws in new york or something ? 1380971;1453467470;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 07:54:42; punkman: http://kuow.org/post/amazon-hires-homeless-workers-and-everyone-ends-disappointed 1380972;1453467579;mircea_popescu;"If there is someone at this point who can look at Jace's insane rambling during this event and take it as a credible threat to Brianna Wu's life, they are either willfully misconstruing the facts or being intentionally alarmist to the point of complete credibility loss. " mno. they are being obtuse to the point of well adjusted, functioning ustard. how the fuck else does anything work in that country ? look at a dumb 1380973;1453467579;mircea_popescu;lazy kid and write down "student", look at a weirdo babbling and write down "threat report", the whole meta-state survives out of categorical confusion of this sort. 1380974;1453467700;mircea_popescu;"The number of video views rose to almost 40,000 within a day" << sigh. this is notable in what fucking alt-world ? i remember the earlier days of "omaigerd teh interwebs matter" when the numbers destined to impress the reader were in the millions. by now it's as if "consensus" has been achieved around the proposition that such a statement is impressive period, and the number's irrelevant. 40k people viewed every singl 1380975;1453467700;mircea_popescu;e fucking concrete support in every town that has a subway that same day. what of it! 1380976;1453467755;mircea_popescu;"On GamerGhazi, comments explaining that Jace was little more than an elaborate hoax were deleted, because they did not fit Wu's harassment narrative." my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Not very "warm and fuzzy" on the openssl trust factor either. Would some tests or debugging help around this part? 1381014;1453476709;mircea_popescu;the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening. 1381015;1453477067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00056372 = 24.7473 BTC [-] {3} 1381016;1453477312;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1381017;1453477365;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381007 << these were not chimeras ! but immunocompromised beasts 1381018;1453477365;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 14:57:50; mircea_popescu: lots of bunnies grew ears on their back etc 1381019;1453477392;mircea_popescu;yawell. 1381020;1453477405;ascii_butugychag;in exactly the same sense that man who eats chicken is not a man-chicken chimera. 1381021;1453477469;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380965 << how could this possibly be true ? 1381022;1453477469;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 12:42:36; mircea_popescu: and also, since we're taking out memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); in favour of, from what i understand, unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; are these actually and in fact equivalent ? 1381023;1453477487;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1381024;1453477528;ascii_butugychag;these statements don't even refer to the same destination 1381025;1453477538;ascii_butugychag;am i missing something ? 1381026;1453477581;mircea_popescu;mmm nah just me being sloppy 1381027;1453477607;ascii_butugychag;hm ok 1381028;1453477721;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this. 1381029;1453477750;mircea_popescu;memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies. 1381030;1453477760;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380926 << this kind of sad is well-known from the 'hired welfare fella and now he's poorer' thing 1381031;1453477760;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 07:54:42; punkman: http://kuow.org/post/amazon-hires-homeless-workers-and-everyone-ends-disappointed 1381032;1453477774;mircea_popescu;unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is 1381033;1453477777;mircea_popescu;right ? 1381034;1453477799;ascii_butugychag;can just say vchSig 1381035;1453477811;mircea_popescu;so i wasn't being sloppy. 1381036;1453477826;mircea_popescu;my question is : are these two in fact equivalent. because we can end up with surprises in this sort of change. 1381037;1453477842;ascii_butugychag;which is the other ? 1381038;1453477853;ascii_butugychag;(other side of the equivalence) 1381039;1453477880;mircea_popescu;dawg.... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381029 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381032 1381040;1453477880;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:10; mircea_popescu: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); << so this takes nsize bytes from pchsig and copies them over where vchsig lies. 1381041;1453477880;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 15:49:34; mircea_popescu: unsigned char *pos = &vchSig[0]; << this takes the pointer pos and points it to what vchsig is 1381042;1453477912;mircea_popescu;c++ is fucking impossible to follow. 1381043;1453477950;ascii_butugychag;both statements are correct 1381044;1453477955;ascii_butugychag;but they are not equivalent 1381045;1453477970;mircea_popescu;ok but aren't they intended to be functionally equivalent by the patch ? 1381046;1453477980;*;ascii_butugychag goes to read the patch 1381047;1453477992;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt is what i'm working on atm 1381048;1453477993;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RXGjpF ) 1381049;1453478000;ascii_butugychag;aha already found it 1381050;1453478027;ascii_butugychag;these are only marginally easier to read than to write... 1381051;1453478044;ascii_butugychag;(which is why i normally like to write'em) 1381052;1453478047;mircea_popescu;heh. 1381053;1453478055;mircea_popescu;from what i hear from people who'd know, tis a common affliction. 1381054;1453478068;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the bit is in the horse's mouth : trb will be more read than wrot. 1381055;1453478106;*;ascii_butugychag notices that boss is mysteriously missing 1381056;1453478113;ascii_butugychag;perhaps he did not want to get marooned in this tower. 1381057;1453478162;ascii_butugychag;(there is supposed to be a snow fall tonight in this part of the world, train stations will close, etc) 1381058;1453478279;mircea_popescu;someone should someday write the anthropological study about the impact of katrina in the media. it's when derping pointlessly about the weather went from ridiculous to social expectation. 1381059;1453478344;kakobrekla;since when do trains stop working if its snowing? 1381060;1453478347;ascii_butugychag;i would have ignored it but there was much noise about preemptive closing of the trains 1381061;1453478350;ascii_butugychag;which is a new thing 1381062;1453478363;ascii_butugychag;lived here since '92 and it never happened. 1381063;1453478366;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla since the infrastructure hasn'\t been maintained in 30 years. 1381064;1453478376;ascii_butugychag;also they sent usg home 1381065;1453478391;ascii_butugychag;even white house apparently skeleton-crewed 1381066;1453478407;ascii_butugychag;(no word on whether obamitler is buttoned up inside or went off to the tropics) 1381067;1453478417;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the other best korea, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1i-h-m3G4 1381068;1453478418;assbot;Crazy Russian Snow Plowing - Train Snow Plowing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpztRH ) 1381069;1453478495;ascii_butugychag;i suspect that usa isn't ~long~ enough to feature this scene 1381070;1453478509;ascii_butugychag;(you need not only snow but rails that aren't traversed regularly) 1381071;1453478539;mircea_popescu;a proper snowstorm can drop ten feet overnight. 1381072;1453478625;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: shouldn't you be at home. you don't want to get stranded in the uranium mines. 1381073;1453478637;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: nobody cancelled the uranium mines. 1381074;1453478646;PeterL;what does DC get, like a half an inch at a time and they shut down? Up north here we don't blink at a foot of snow. 1381075;1453478684;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: normally. result is that the place is grossly underequipped for anything like reasonable snow, and traffic grinds to a halt 1381076;1453478688;ascii_butugychag;when there actually is some 1381077;1453478696;ascii_butugychag;(which happens every coupla years) 1381078;1453478709;PeterL;y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow 1381079;1453478737;thestringpuller;PeterL: You guys have more than 1 snowplow for the whole state. 1381080;1453478746;thestringpuller;PeterL: your roads are also the worst thing to drive on ever. 1381081;1453478779;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuX4G3znpDE pretty cool 1381082;1453478780;assbot;Rotary Snow Plow - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpArxo ) 1381083;1453478792;PeterL;just don't drink the water if you are driving through Flint 1381084;1453478796;ascii_butugychag;doesn't help that d.c. roads are packed to 110% even without any snow or rain etc 1381085;1453478843;ascii_butugychag;as for why they'd close the trains, i cannot say except that the latter are in a historic state of disrepair. 1381086;1453478867;ascii_butugychag;every day one gets stuck, rails crack, various joys 1381087;1453478897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41798 @ 0.00055672 = 23.2698 BTC [-] {2} 1381088;1453478941;ascii_butugychag;and dc metro dept. pulls interesting tricks - retains ~half the staff actually needed so that the remaining can work mandatory overtime and earn ~200K-usd 1381089;1453478970;mircea_popescu;PeterL> y'all are a bunch of pansies, afraid of a bit of snow << ho i knew took a (well earned) vacation to morocco in the middle of the carpathian winter once. her fondest memory was that there was a tiny bit of snow just as she got ou of the bus, and everyone in sight was on their ass. "they have no idea how to walk on snow, the africans!" 1381090;1453479172;mircea_popescu;!up terminal 1381091;1453479231;PeterL;is that terminal as in cancer or terminal as in computer, or as in train station? 1381092;1453479273;terminal;good question 1381093;1453479275;thestringpuller;Grand Central Terminal is the train station 1381094;1453479282;thestringpuller;Grand Central Station is the post office 1381095;1453479293;terminal;it's cool and ambiguous 1381096;1453479298;terminal;who knows 1381097;1453479313;PeterL;ah, but who are you? 1381098;1453479423;terminal;I'm a guy who's thinking about buying a significant amount of ETH 1381099;1453479440;thestringpuller;Why? 1381100;1453479450;thestringpuller;Guaranteed loss. 1381101;1453479456;mircea_popescu;wow check it out, the things that exist. 1381102;1453479458;shinohai;O.o 1381103;1453479467;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376728 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376731 << Later I realized why I missed the isomer joke: L is isomer of D, R is isomer of S, not quite interchangeable 1381104;1453479467;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 13:40:52; *: adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR 1381105;1453479467;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 13:41:39; mircea_popescu: lol no idea ? your isomer ? 1381106;1453479470;terminal;Why a guaranteed loss? 1381107;1453479481;thestringpuller;PeterL: you're a chemist right? 1381108;1453479498;PeterL;yeah 1381109;1453479521;mircea_popescu;PeterL hey, best humour is sloppy! 1381110;1453479523;terminal;I'm a software developer who is interested in the ecosystem, I see a lot of practicality in ethereum. Mostly I'm just looking for longterm gains 1381111;1453479544;mircea_popescu;terminal well, get in the wot and let us know how your trade went as far as long term gains. 1381112;1453479558;terminal;wot? 1381113;1453479587;terminal;Why the negative sentiment about ethereum here? 1381114;1453479639;mircea_popescu;!s ethereum 1381115;1453479640;assbot;529 results for 'ethereum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ethereum 1381116;1453479649;mircea_popescu;can start reading teh logs. 1381117;1453479652;punkman;terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth 1381118;1453479661;mircea_popescu;hehehe 1381119;1453479667;shinohai;kek 1381120;1453479705;terminal;Thanks for that mircea 1381121;1453479849;punkman;hey ETH's back to 0.00387 1381122;1453479898;mircea_popescu;!up sergiohlb 1381123;1453479934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056678 = 15.133 BTC [+] {2} 1381124;1453480258;thestringpuller;punkman: so the suckers took the bait... 1381125;1453480275;mircea_popescu;!up AdrianG 1381126;1453480285;AdrianG;thx. 1381127;1453480304;AdrianG;ethereum could have short-term momentum due to investors interest, its far more preferable to mention it in corporate pitches vs bitcoin. 1381128;1453480350;thestringpuller;that's because investors seem to be borderline scandalous these days. 1381129;1453480385;PeterL;obligatory http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ 1381130;1453480386;assbot;The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 ) 1381131;1453480386;thestringpuller;Bitcoin isn't yieling what they have come to expect, so lets through fiat at Ehtereum and see what happens. 1381132;1453480417;AdrianG;terminal: scandalous how? 1381133;1453480439;mircea_popescu;AdrianG if what you aim is to make money out of the vc circus, you're very much in the wrong spot. 1381134;1453480443;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com the problem of too much money 1381135;1453480444;gribble;The problem of too much money on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Money, fucking and lying on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema ...: cryptographically signed txn ledger will simplify parts of audits << why do they need etherum for this? just sign bits of the normal ledger as they are made, why do you need to involve cryptocurrency? 1381191;1453481150;AdrianG;PeterL: it would have nothing to do with cryptocurrency ofc. 1381192;1453481165;AdrianG;ethereum as a cryptocurrency itself is probably useless. 1381193;1453481201;thestringpuller;PeterL: better yet http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374612 1381194;1453481261;AdrianG;PeterL: it would be just a private instance, or a federated peg at best. 1381195;1453481275;mircea_popescu;o.O 1381196;1453481277;mircea_popescu;so... 1381197;1453481292;AdrianG;and signing the normal ledger, is just a small part, programmability gives you a lot more flexibility to code business logic in. 1381198;1453481297;thestringpuller;AdrianG: how does this not differ from: "it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other." 1381199;1453481326;thestringpuller;Buterin's view of how a contract works is highly skewed. 1381200;1453481334;AdrianG;thestringpuller: it differs in that an implementation already exists. 1381201;1453481362;thestringpuller;except ethereum assumes all individuals in a contract act as machines. Better yet why not make them all machines! 1381202;1453481392;mircea_popescu;AdrianG implementation is not per se valuable, for the sad reason that it is much cheaper to write code than to read it. 1381203;1453481409;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: people tend to re-use existing stuff. 1381204;1453481424;mircea_popescu;anyone in business will prefer to write de novo rather than audit the dubious code of the crowd of idiot kids gathered around that buteriun dude. 1381205;1453481431;mircea_popescu;NOBODY reuses anything. this has not happened yet. 1381206;1453481447;mircea_popescu;it's a delusion, born fundamentally out of a lack of business experience. 1381207;1453481458;AdrianG;banks' software depends on thousands of libraries written by random hobos 1381208;1453481467;AdrianG;it wouldnt be anything new 1381209;1453481476;mircea_popescu;i guess by this argument we shall invest in hobos. 1381210;1453481495;thestringpuller;AdrianG: actually it's mostly a lot of java/vb code written by indian d00ds. 1381211;1453481516;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller he's technically correct, they just stole it and delivered it, but anyway. 1381212;1453481535;thestringpuller;aha 1381213;1453481553;thestringpuller;i've invested in hobos. not really an investment as much as charity. 1381214;1453481586;thestringpuller;it's also better to pay them in 40s than actual money 1381215;1453481649;AdrianG;thestringpuller: sure, random indian d00ds 1381216;1453481660;AdrianG;its not qualitatively different from code written by random hobos 1381217;1453481690;mircea_popescu;well, so get in the wot, look into v and be happy. 1381218;1453481711;mircea_popescu;better investment than chasing cephaloids' dubious fortunes at mit. 1381219;1453481777;PeterL;does trb debug.log grow infinitely? 1381220;1453481795;AdrianG;look into v? 1381221;1453481809;punkman;PeterL: it compacts on startup iirc 1381222;1453481847;PeterL;so should I do something to it while it is running? 1381223;1453481868;mircea_popescu;!v ascii_butugychag 1381224;1453481868;assbot;Invalid verfication string. 1381225;1453481885;punkman;PeterL: I guess you could rotate the log 1381226;1453481886;mircea_popescu;o.O 1381227;1453481892;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1381228;1453481911;mircea_popescu;AdrianG http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ 1381229;1453481912;assbot;The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS ) 1381230;1453481912;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i've been wondering, what the nazi variant of 'v' might look like 1381231;1453481914;mircea_popescu;more links in thar. 1381232;1453481929;ascii_butugychag;or does it even make sense to suppose that usg uses anything of the kind 1381233;1453481946;punkman;probably involves smartcards? 1381234;1453481947;ascii_butugychag;they have a bastardized pgp, for instance 1381235;1453481949;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag ever met a govt employee that welcomed accountability ? 1381236;1453481964;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: no, but i've met hordes who just ~loved~ faux-accountability 1381237;1453481968;mircea_popescu;quite. 1381238;1453481973;mircea_popescu;so what would the paper car look like ? 1381239;1453481982;mircea_popescu;well... as much as a car without combustion as possible. 1381240;1453481996;jurov;they do try at NASA, but they do it in meritocracy way 1381241;1453482010;mircea_popescu;didn't nasa get its funding cut for this ? 1381242;1453482012;jurov;i.e. ennumerating mistakes, not people 1381243;1453482027;mircea_popescu;lol, because mistakes, rather than people, are finite. gg. 1381244;1453482041;jurov;dunno about funding, but it's nice example to avoiding accountability 1381245;1453482064;mircea_popescu;i still recall the feynman conundrum. to me it's the archetype for this. 1381246;1453482074;ascii_butugychag;it is not enough, for a classic bureaucrat, to avoid accountability; he has to put in scar tissue that gives the appearance thereof 1381247;1453482074;mircea_popescu;remember ? the o rings ? 1381248;1453482077;trinque;ascii_butugychag: sounds like a centralized CVS/SVN repo where sigs "vote" for what constitutes the master branch 1381249;1453482086;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i think everybody remembers the o-rings 1381250;1453482095;mircea_popescu;trust, but verify! 1381251;1453482108;ascii_butugychag;it was when feynman became a popular cult figure 1381252;1453482116;jurov;oh i meant pirely software development 1381253;1453482116;mircea_popescu;o ? 1381254;1453482133;jurov;no idea about possiblility of signing hardware 1381255;1453482149;*;mircea_popescu privately bets alfie will mention the three russian stooges thing. 1381256;1453482163;ascii_butugychag;i think i already mentioned them in the logz 1381257;1453482167;mircea_popescu;aok 1381258;1453482196;ascii_butugychag;interestingly, i did some digging, 1381259;1453482205;ascii_butugychag;turns out that the '3' system was possibly saharov's idea 1381260;1453482210;ascii_butugychag;and borrowed by korolev 1381261;1453482214;ascii_butugychag;rather than vice-versa 1381262;1453482240;ascii_butugychag;but i'm probably the last one alive who gives half a shit 1381263;1453482269;mircea_popescu;seeing how the men in question were unfortunate to die befgore the bible. 1381264;1453482277;mircea_popescu;i suppose in the future there will be the principal cause of war : 1381265;1453482287;mircea_popescu;different branches in the wot disputing which earlier node to be credited with x. 1381266;1453482298;ascii_butugychag;as in sunni vs shia ? 1381267;1453482304;mircea_popescu;quite, but with crypto verification. 1381268;1453482312;ascii_butugychag;l0lzies 1381269;1453482318;mircea_popescu;!up terminal2 1381270;1453482339;mircea_popescu;terminal2 http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and for that matteer 1381271;1453482340;assbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NpJ1vR ) 1381272;1453482340;mircea_popescu;!help 1381273;1453482340;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1381274;1453482410;kakobrekla;help isnt adequate for joining wot really, this is better http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets 1381275;1453482412;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o ) 1381276;1453482451;mircea_popescu;ah kk. 1381277;1453482465;mircea_popescu;can we has !wot ? 1381278;1453482479;kakobrekla;prolly 1381279;1453482520;terminal2;Thanks mircea 1381280;1453482537;PeterL;can we has !wot where the links get sent from assbot to instead of dumping in chan? 1381281;1453482589;PeterL;proly want to limit the number of times assbot responds to stop spam vector? 1381282;1453482596;kakobrekla;noobs are often blind to pms 1381283;1453482605;PeterL;oh, nevermind then 1381284;1453482637;mircea_popescu;it doesn't hurt anything being linked in chan anyway. 1381285;1453482641;mircea_popescu;gets indexed better. 1381286;1453482664;mircea_popescu;but if you';re sick of seeing it you should be able to config your client to ignore that line. 1381287;1453482796;terminal2;I've never had a GPG key before lol. I will make one tonight. On ETH: While I don't see a reason for established companies to re-use ethereum - I think you need to account for all the companies nerd kids will create ontop of it - which will grow 1381288;1453482828;terminal2;Migrating a DAO off of ethereum would not be an easy thing to do in most cases 1381289;1453482836;terminal2;It's a very sticky platform 1381290;1453482895;PeterL;all the "companies" will be amazing 1381291;1453482895;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1381292;1453483019;terminal2;Only takes a couple of breakout successes to make ETH take off I think 1381293;1453483203;thestringpuller;terminal2: oh like ASICMINER 1381294;1453483252;mircea_popescu;terminal2 by this reasoning you really should invest in toilets. 1381295;1453483263;terminal2;Don't know anything about ASICMINER 1381296;1453483265;mircea_popescu;think of all the growth the kids will create on top of their parent's food! 1381297;1453483282;terminal2;Toilets would have been great to invest in before they were owned by everyone 1381298;1453483288;terminal2;Now everyone has a toilet 1381299;1453483337;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> my one question, and not to mod6 in particular, is : can unsigned int nSize = ECDSA_size(pkey); be trusted to not fuck up the size ? << Just to touch back on this again - I'd like to see more of this. If you happen to be reading through the code, and there is a question, ask - let's discuss. 1381300;1453483382;thestringpuller;terminal2: ASICMINER actually delivered on their IPO, their stock skyrocketed. However due to insane management that seems to be very common in the mining world, the company imploded. 1381301;1453483387;mod6;And 'you' in the sense of all of us. Not just Mr. P. 1381302;1453483403;mircea_popescu;mod6 kinda what my thinking is. 1381303;1453483447;mod6;I think it's vital that we all gain a good grasp of what the intricacies are in this code - myself included. 1381304;1453483451;thestringpuller;d00d. once you hit block 280k it chugs so slow. 1381305;1453483458;mod6;ya it happens. 1381306;1453483466;thestringpuller;100k blocks to go ~_~ eta like 1 more week 1381307;1453483473;thestringpuller;and this is a decent PC. 1381308;1453483493;mircea_popescu;mod6 the thing is, that 10`000 we took out - while very sensible to be out and belongs out - could very well had been covering up for say an openssl bug. 1381309;1453483542;mircea_popescu;like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow. 1381310;1453483548;thestringpuller;well openssl will eventually need to be excised as well, what to replace it with, I don't know. 1381311;1453483561;mircea_popescu;while cutting out crud we could get away with less poring, but as we add / change / etc it becomes ever more problematic. 1381312;1453483630;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: wouldn't unit testing coverage prevent some of this from becoming a problem? 1381313;1453483668;ascii_butugychag;no. 1381314;1453483674;mircea_popescu;it will catch all the bugs it catches 1381315;1453483679;mircea_popescu;and not catch all the bugs it doesn't catch. 1381316;1453483683;ascii_butugychag;!s dijkstra testing 1381317;1453483683;assbot;1 results for 'dijkstra testing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dijkstra+testing 1381318;1453483705;mircea_popescu;nono, i prefer my own quote! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381014 1381319;1453483705;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 15:31:49; mircea_popescu: the problem with tests is that you can't test for something not happening. 1381320;1453483720;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1381321;1453483729;thestringpuller;so what? like bug that exists that needs to exist? 1381322;1453483745;mircea_popescu;no, like bug whose wot you're not in. 1381323;1453483784;thestringpuller;If you have expected behavior there should be a way to measure if that behavior changes due to something introduced into the system. 1381324;1453483807;thestringpuller;i don't know in practice how "unknown unknowns" affect the system. 1381325;1453484016;ascii_butugychag;there are exactly three mechanisms known for creating correctness: 1381326;1453484023;ascii_butugychag;in order of decreasing idiocy, 1381327;1453484043;ascii_butugychag;1) fits-in-head. also known popularly as 'knowing precisely wtf you're doing' 1381328;1453484046;ascii_butugychag;2) mathematical proof 1381329;1453484048;ascii_butugychag;3) testing. 1381330;1453484112;ascii_butugychag;increasing idiocy. 1381331;1453484131;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1381332;1453484179;trinque;the goddamned deedbot node would not sync no matter what... untli I changed his external IP 1381333;1453484232;ascii_butugychag;trinque: if it's not a seekrit: why does deedbot use a heathen bitcoinatron ? 1381334;1453484246;trinque;because his new trb node is at 152k 1381335;1453484248;trinque;*352k 1381336;1453484275;ascii_butugychag;ah hm 1381337;1453484516;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> like it or not this is the level of scrutiny that patches have to face, even if it makes develoipment slow. << i very much agree with this methodology. 1381338;1453484544;mircea_popescu;trinque i suspect this is what drove alf's ideas of you know, deliberate sabotage against trb nodes. 1381339;1453484550;mircea_popescu;you're not the first to see such wonders. 1381340;1453484600;trinque;I have seen ample evidence to suggest it in deedbot's logz 1381341;1453484940;trinque;in related news, deedbot- will be back when I figure out why it can no longer connect to freenode, having only changed his external IP 1381342;1453484988;ascii_butugychag;here's a riddle. why no straight tcp ddos against any of'em ? 1381343;1453484994;ascii_butugychag;why this wankery. 1381344;1453485005;ascii_butugychag;what, usg botnet only works on trilema ? 1381345;1453485059;ascii_butugychag;i suppose the theory is that we are morons, and will conclude that 'trb is broken, can't sync' ? 1381346;1453485128;trinque;ascii_butugychag: http://dpaste.com/1R6PACY.txt << for example 1381347;1453485129;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OLyQDK ) 1381348;1453485187;ascii_butugychag;that looks like a full relay ? 1381349;1453485379;trinque;ascii_butugychag: was there something else I was supposed to say aside from NICK to get going? 1381350;1453485553;trinque;!up ascii_butugychag 1381351;1453485578;ascii_butugychag;PASS and USER ? 1381352;1453485584;ascii_butugychag;e.g., 1381353;1453485588;ascii_butugychag;PASS none 1381354;1453485593;ascii_butugychag;NICK luser 1381355;1453485598;ascii_butugychag;USER blah 1381356;1453485738;punkman;terminal2: Now everyone has a toilet << not true, and good chance you'll make more money investing in toilets than ETH 1381357;1453485861;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380943 BB even shared toilet investment opportunity earlier 1381358;1453485861;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 09:03:57; BingoBoingo: http://www.oncaremedical.com/products/fall/liftSeat.oncare 1381359;1453485998;ascii_butugychag;i prefer mircea_popescu's idea 1381360;1453486003;ascii_butugychag;have been thinking about it 1381361;1453486023;ascii_butugychag;it would probably look something like a nagant cylinder turned up 1381362;1453486032;ascii_butugychag;(7-seats variant ?) 1381363;1453486056;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag incidentally, i suspect you'll find the latest quite very interesting, if you manage to wade through it all. 1381364;1453486059;ascii_butugychag;but really in his harem scenario i'd imagine he would build something more like a horseshoe shape, so the users can face one another 1381365;1453486077;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the grep output ? 1381366;1453486082;mircea_popescu;no, on trilema\ 1381367;1453486094;*;ascii_butugychag reads 1381368;1453486396;thestringpuller;Can we get a graph like this: https://camo.githubusercontent.com/43c79ffbe5c5db49c01d5546ce1b57b2f1e83b21/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f6f62634c6a44442e706e67? 1381369;1453486410;thestringpuller;subtract the question mark at the end :( 1381370;1453486525;mircea_popescu;does 0.12 even do any validation anymore ? 1381371;1453486646;thestringpuller;no. 1381372;1453486665;thestringpuller;I want to see where the "churn" is in TRB. 1381373;1453486675;thestringpuller;I might do another sync just to construct a graph. 1381374;1453486692;thestringpuller;the above option wasn't using --verify-all 1381375;1453486713;mircea_popescu;heh. 1381376;1453486730;mircea_popescu;so in that sense, my os copies files a lot faster than that. 1381377;1453486739;mircea_popescu;seriously, 10 hours for 100gb ? what is this, maxtor days ? 1381378;1453486751;trinque;well. I certainly didn't change the configuration to get that to connect.. merely the origin 1381379;1453486812;mircea_popescu;trinque see, problem fixed. 1381380;1453486843;trinque;AWS being the host was certainly a problem. 1381381;1453486895;mircea_popescu;no i meant sarcastically, cus it parted. 1381382;1453486902;trinque;o lol 1381383;1453486917;trinque;he'll be back again shortly 1381384;1453486986;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: that article makes me think of (i entirely forget the source) - approximately - 'every man's life has a time when things were working correctly' 1381385;1453486999;mircea_popescu;heh 1381386;1453487009;thestringpuller;trinque: you found a new host? 1381387;1453487029;mircea_popescu;so you suspect it's me, do you ? 1381388;1453487054;trinque;thestringpuller: yep, though not one I've passed any judgement on yet, other than "is elsewhere" 1381389;1453487065;ascii_butugychag;the observation about 'girl is not annoying because it is a girl' is spot-on 1381390;1453487075;ascii_butugychag;i verified it experimentally at minimal cost 1381391;1453487085;ascii_butugychag;one does not need to be mircea_popescu to test this. 1381392;1453487098;mircea_popescu;thanks god. 1381393;1453487182;ascii_butugychag;reading mircea_popescu's recollections of the '90s porn set feels a little like another one of my predilections, memoirs of su physics/math folk 1381394;1453487193;ascii_butugychag;same feel of 'alas sunken atlantis' 1381395;1453487209;thestringpuller;!s girl is not annoying because 1381396;1453487210;assbot;0 results for 'girl is not annoying because' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=girl+is+not+annoying+because 1381397;1453487224;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: this was re: the latest trilema article 1381398;1453487229;thestringpuller;aha 1381399;1453487243;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone sane was seriously thinking the situation may survive. it was painfully obvious we're riding a self-limiting wave. 1381400;1453487252;mircea_popescu;then again, granted, most of those involved were pretty nuts. 1381401;1453487295;ascii_butugychag;'gold rush' is always quite similar, no ? 1381402;1453487392;mircea_popescu;pretty much, yeah. 1381403;1453487399;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1381404;1453487792;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the observation about 'camgurlz are a magnet for the attention of subhuman bois' seems unsurprising 1381405;1453487817;mircea_popescu;they drive otherwise "normal" boys into subhumanity. 1381406;1453487819;ascii_butugychag;... isn't that sorta like 'toilet is a magnet for shit' ? yes, sometimes people plant flowers in one. but speaking as to its purpose. 1381407;1453487825;ascii_butugychag;srsly? 1381408;1453487828;mircea_popescu;this isn't a castigation of them. but the system is a chute down not a chute up. 1381409;1453487847;ascii_butugychag;how does that work ? 1381410;1453487877;mircea_popescu;let's see. suppose a land, fertile but unimproved. to get anything, you have to actually get it. 1381411;1453487895;mircea_popescu;we know this does promote all the industries - people will hunt and make farms, and then need lumber and tv sets. 1381412;1453487910;mircea_popescu;suppose now a desert with small pellet dispensers, where a little food can be had. 1381413;1453487924;mircea_popescu;we know this promotes all the africas - people will sit around and invent ways to insure they don't upset the gods. 1381414;1453487943;ascii_butugychag;ensure? 1381415;1453487955;mircea_popescu;myeah 1381416;1453487963;mircea_popescu;both, really, but myeah. 1381417;1453487980;ascii_butugychag;and farmers do their share of 'must not upset the gods' 1381418;1453487989;mircea_popescu;there is necessarily no ensuring "the gods". just you know, transactional insuring 'em. 1381419;1453487989;ascii_butugychag;because land doesn't actually behave so differently from a food dispenser 1381420;1453487997;mircea_popescu;granted. 1381421;1453488016;mircea_popescu;yet the effects of tiny modulation in environment are indisputably major in the mold that grows out 1381422;1453488114;ascii_butugychag;i'd conjecture that 'africanization' is at its height when the 'food dispenser' ~responds to human buluceala' 1381423;1453488117;ascii_butugychag;~ 1381424;1453488122;mircea_popescu;and here it does. 1381425;1453488163;ascii_butugychag;(it isn't about whether the pellets are small, as in a zoo, or large, as in a harvest season - but that zoo ~answeres prayers~ and rewards wheedling) 1381426;1453488182;mircea_popescu;the size of the pellet is imo the important part. 1381427;1453488190;ascii_butugychag;how so ? 1381428;1453488236;mircea_popescu;consider. the first major invention that "revolutionized" mankind was... agriculture. it reduced the societal bolus from "whole bison, if you get it" to "a fraction of a crop, if you well save it". 1381429;1453488250;mircea_popescu;this reduction similarly took the world from greece to rome, give or take. 1381430;1453488261;thestringpuller;;;ticker 1381431;1453488263;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.58, Best ask: 382.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 382.6, 24 hour volume: 46720.82048297, 24 hour low: 378.77, 24 hour high: 414.49, 24 hour vwap: None 1381432;1453488266;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, from sioux to irish. 1381433;1453488301;mircea_popescu;the next one, actual industry, reduced the bolus further (the chinese never developed industry because yes, their goverment had already reduced it to "one bowl of rice") 1381434;1453488325;mircea_popescu;degradation of society generally follows the success of technology in reducing the size of the minimal harvest. 1381435;1453488346;mircea_popescu;which is why we're to expect all sorts of wonders from micropayments ; all of which wonders begin and end with caged ratpeople. 1381436;1453488390;ascii_butugychag;small pellet leads to thinking of next pellet always. as in the professor who described to me how crack is smoked 1381437;1453488399;ascii_butugychag;this makes sense. 1381438;1453488407;mircea_popescu;more importantly, small pellet makes it LESS important to live. 1381439;1453488518;mircea_popescu;the hunter didn't fear death ; the farmer feared death only, not drudgery ; the factory worker can't even think death, fears drudgery, not anonymity. 1381440;1453488557;mircea_popescu;then finally the "literate" or "white collar" or however you call the despicable postmodern otaku, intellectuals I suppose ? can't even comprehend drudgery, fears anonimity, i can scarcely look down to see what's next. 1381441;1453488606;ascii_butugychag;whaddayamean can't comprehend drudgery 1381442;1453488612;mircea_popescu;just that. 1381443;1453488614;ascii_butugychag;we got drudgery on tap 1381444;1453488623;ascii_butugychag;in every godforsaken cube farm tower 1381445;1453488625;mircea_popescu;anyone bothered by it ? 1381446;1453488629;mircea_popescu;anyone even seem to notice ? 1381447;1453488630;ascii_butugychag;everybody? 1381448;1453488633;mircea_popescu;ha-ha. 1381449;1453488656;ascii_butugychag;why do you suppose just about all of these people kill themselves ? 1381450;1453488662;ascii_butugychag;(usually slowly, with drink etc. but.) 1381451;1453488672;mircea_popescu;i would not presume these people do anything. 1381452;1453488679;mircea_popescu;as the expression goes, "it happened" 1381453;1453488699;mircea_popescu;why does it happen to them that they died ? no one knows, for drudgery can't be thought. 1381454;1453488708;ascii_butugychag;i can readily observe at least a subset of things they choose to do, when i find myself readily able to avoid doing them 1381455;1453488713;ascii_butugychag;ergo they choose to? 1381456;1453488724;mircea_popescu;im not so sure. 1381457;1453488753;ascii_butugychag;for instance, drinking yourself into catatonia every friday is optional 1381458;1453488754;mircea_popescu;to quote, " Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?" 1381459;1453488771;mircea_popescu;what's your model for optionality ? 1381460;1453488801;mircea_popescu;for me and for the waitress, showing up at the restaurant is optional, right ? and so it is for the cat. 1381461;1453488824;ascii_butugychag;for eater - optional 1381462;1453488833;ascii_butugychag;for waitress and cat - perhaps less so ? 1381463;1453488844;mircea_popescu;well, you'll need a model. 1381464;1453488864;mircea_popescu;maybe for cat most of all. how about the beef ? 1381465;1453488876;ascii_butugychag;the beef is not a playing character... 1381466;1453488881;mircea_popescu;but the waitress is ? 1381467;1453488888;mircea_popescu;why, cuz you never fucked a cow ? 1381468;1453488888;ascii_butugychag;is, if only residually 1381469;1453488906;ascii_butugychag;i must admit this glaring omission. i have not. 1381470;1453488920;mircea_popescu;how about a waitress ? 1381471;1453488948;ascii_butugychag;approxim. 1381472;1453488958;mircea_popescu;well then, that explains it :D 1381473;1453489103;ascii_butugychag;but i find a good bit of what these people do to themselves to be readily optional, at least in the sense that eating one's nagant is optional 1381474;1453489115;mircea_popescu;"the beef is not a playing character for not having escaped from its pen ; the waitress is a playing character for not having escaped from its pen." << shall need some more sandbags. why hate the cow, what, if you prick it does it not bleed ? 1381475;1453489127;mircea_popescu;if you poison it, does it not die ? 1381476;1453489147;ascii_butugychag;i've never seen a human woman land by mistake in a cow pen and end up processed for beef 1381477;1453489156;ascii_butugychag;while i have seen thinking people end up waiting tables etc 1381478;1453489186;ascii_butugychag;wasn't it in mircea_popescu's recent article where 'common man must be pumped through a sewer tunnel but oughta have a small escape hatch' ? 1381479;1453489238;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, as a matter of fact some cows do make it out! 1381480;1453489284;mircea_popescu;http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/67793636.jpg << cow cowrdashian 1381481;1453489285;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pb4uOI ) 1381482;1453489446;thestringpuller;"Apollo astronauts called their urine dumps "The Constellation Urion" and said it was very beautiful." 1381483;1453489585;thestringpuller;latest from the gavin-stooge: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/426nee/ambitious_protocol_limits/ 1381484;1453489595;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3F7B0EF.txt 1381485;1453489597;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCSSs0 ) 1381486;1453489623;thestringpuller;SMTP's limit is 99mn terabytes!!!! Why do we need limit on blocksize guise?!?!? 1381487;1453489630;punkman;https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000603cba76274b479a7507ef9585518b06e192f1a6255b5b8 cool mil in this block 1381488;1453489633;assbot;Bitcoin Block #394456 ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCSXMi ) 1381489;1453489771;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3F7B0EF.txt 1381490;1453489772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCSSs0 ) 1381491;1453490067;punkman;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/19/more-u-s-military-drones-are-crashing-than-ever-as-new-problems-emerge/ 1381492;1453490068;assbot;More Air Force drones are crashing than ever as mysterious new problems emerge - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pb6qH9 ) 1381493;1453490304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80150 @ 0.00056996 = 45.6823 BTC [+] {4} 1381494;1453490310;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3F7B0EF.txt 1381495;1453490311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCSSs0 ) 1381496;1453490319;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1381497;1453490322;trinque;cool. 1381498;1453490385;trinque;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3F7B0EF.txt 1381499;1453490386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lCSSs0 ) 1381500;1453490387;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1381501;1453490402;trinque;deedbot-: wb. 1381502;1453490408;trinque;deedbot-: !services 1381503;1453490416;trinque;!services 1381504;1453490430;thestringpuller;Ugh. Can Roger Ver just go the fuck away, this prick is more of a douchebag than Weev. 1381505;1453490447;thestringpuller;"I'm against war, but I love selling guns." 1381506;1453490450;mircea_popescu;gavin is not very itnelligent, is he. 1381507;1453491621;thestringpuller;seems evoorhees is no better 1381508;1453491629;thestringpuller;he's basically on reddit wanting Core to become bitcoin politicians 1381509;1453491647;thestringpuller;so now he's gone from being bitcoin businessman to bitcoin politician 1381510;1453491667;thestringpuller;everyone wants to be in office! 1381511;1453491895;BingoBoingo;When we got our snow earier this week I was the only person the on our street civilized enough to shovel his drive way. Now that there's been a few days for it to melt and refreeze neighbors are complaining they can't get into or out of theirs because they've become too slick. Also precious few sidewalks have been shoveled in town. 1381512;1453492282;punkman;!up drnet 1381513;1453494206;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo, nordic system looking better and better innit? 1381514;1453494231;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Not really 1381515;1453494253;funkenstein_;how else you gonna get around in the winter? 1381516;1453494260;funkenstein_;pin to win 1381517;1453494389;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sucks huh. 1381518;1453495532;BingoBoingo;Usually get around with car in winter, sufficient wild snowplows here 1381519;1453495570;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Used to not be this way. Sometime 10-15 years ago the torts think scared people out of taking responsibility for clearing winter weather 1381520;1453495599;mircea_popescu;either that or sheer lazy. 1381521;1453495613;BingoBoingo;The tort justifies the lazy 1381522;1453495626;*;mircea_popescu recalls enjoying doing it, the one year he ended up seriously snowed upon 1381523;1453495663;BingoBoingo;It's not spectualarly fun, but its a way to be outside in the cold without feeling cold 1381524;1453495747;BingoBoingo;What I don't get though is the people so lazy they won't do their own driveway and end up housebound three days after the last snow falls 1381525;1453495817;BingoBoingo;We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily 1381526;1453495844;mircea_popescu;i got a foot an a half. 1381527;1453495860;mircea_popescu;and then by the time i cleared it, there was a slight melt an d i got a futher two tons off the roof. 1381528;1453495910;BingoBoingo;Ah, the big snows are much more fun. Only been through a couple snows between 18-24 inches. 1381529;1453496008;mircea_popescu;gives you plenty of time to practice jr high maths. 1381530;1453496047;BingoBoingo;Also when done a well earned sense of superiority over other locals who are less accomplished in the clearing 1381531;1453496268;mircea_popescu;true. 1381532;1453496648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37495 @ 0.00056658 = 21.2439 BTC [-] {3} 1381533;1453497019;mircea_popescu;and speaking of toilet bowls, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f807573edb2b0f7a29f5ff72d97f83c1/tumblr_nhoc41C1Bp1r539hzo1_1280.jpg 1381534;1453497020;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEllPO ) 1381535;1453497110;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1381536;1453497110;gribble;856935770.399 1381537;1453497261;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1381538;1453497265;gribble;Current Blocks: 394516 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 619 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1381539;1453497604;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitchslapping-of-2013/ seems awfully prescient as now Erik seeks to appease all the pinoy spamzors https://archive.is/aQX5h 1381540;1453497605;assbot;The bitchslapping of 2013... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEmNl5 ) 1381541;1453497607;assbot;IMHO, BTC price will be weak until Core demonstrates competency in social consensus. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEmNBD ) 1381542;1453497640;mircea_popescu;opinions being like assholes, whether humble or not. 1381543;1453497660;BingoBoingo;"Unlike me, Erik tries to be nice, to everyone, all the time. The downside of his approach is that he is treated like dirt, by everyone. Not every time, but every time it actually matters. (You are invited to review the logs of the #bitcoin-dev channel [cached] and make up your own mind on the subject.) " 1381544;1453497697;*;BingoBoingo definitely bullish on 2013 flashbacks this year 1381545;1453497882;*;BingoBoingo waits for flashbacks to http://trilema.com/2013/strategic-superiority-the-saga-continues/ 1381546;1453497883;assbot;Strategic superiority - the saga continues on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEnpam ) 1381547;1453497958;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes i'd avoid all chrysler products (including jeep) like the plague. land cruiser/4runner, tahoe/suburban, and explorer/expedition are all worth considering and all fit the "mega-suv with low tco and reasonable maintenance prospects for an american family" niche. that being said, you'd probably be just as well, if not better, served by the 00-06 escape or 97-02 cr-v, both of which should be quiet 1381548;1453497958;pete_dushenski;easier to park, better on fuel, and have lower tco. whichever way you go, driving them each and finding a used car with known providence (receipts!) are the two most important factors. 1381549;1453497959;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1381550;1453497973;pete_dushenski;for those at home, tco = true cost to own 1381551;1453498055;BingoBoingo;Ah, yes. J.e.e.p. Just empty every pocket 1381552;1453498185;BingoBoingo;Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite" 1381553;1453498329;pete_dushenski;magnum r/t for sure. probably less than $10k for a decent one. 1381554;1453498415;pete_dushenski;chrysler has definitely taken the crown of "piece of cobbled together shit that only lasts as long as you're making payments on it", which fiat had through the 80s. fitting that fiat came back to north america in 2012 under chrysler proprietorship, really. 1381555;1453498448;BingoBoingo;Meatspace friend had boring v6 one for a while. Beat it all to hell then "upgraded" to one of the daewoo crossovers rebadged as a chevy. 1381556;1453498503;BingoBoingo;He mentioned not missing the covetous looks he got driving the magnum around the city 1381557;1453498582;pete_dushenski;aha. the lulz of an "american" truck or car being designed and built in the firstest bestest southest korea. truly one of america's most glorious embarrassments. 1381558;1453498638;pete_dushenski;http://dodgeforum.com/articles/dodge-charger-and-challenger-among-americas-most-stolen-cars/ << lel. til. 1381559;1453498640;assbot;Dodge Charger and Challenger among America’s most stolen cars - DodgeForum.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEp1kx ) 1381560;1453498656;BingoBoingo;I mean it was understandable when they did it with the Aveo because they wanted a bottom end car to scare people into buying up. 1381561;1453498750;pete_dushenski;the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes" 1381562;1453498797;pete_dushenski;it's like the most believable pick-up line in the hood : "i'd pick you up at 8, hun, but my charger srt8 got stolen last week and i'm still trying to track down the basterds who dun it." 1381563;1453498815;pete_dushenski;maybe this works ? 1381564;1453498872;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: the only problem with that aveo theory is that... it was better than the cobalt. 1381565;1453498898;pete_dushenski;or at least just as terrible 1381566;1453498900;pete_dushenski;for 5k less 1381567;1453498965;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: A lot of the charger/etc thefts are from rental agencies 1381568;1453498988;BingoBoingo;The aveo and cobalt were different kinds of terrible 1381569;1453499048;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381533 << wtf is that 1381570;1453499048;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:10:19; mircea_popescu: and speaking of toilet bowls, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f807573edb2b0f7a29f5ff72d97f83c1/tumblr_nhoc41C1Bp1r539hzo1_1280.jpg 1381571;1453499057;pete_dushenski;breakfast wut 1381572;1453499070;asciilifeform;i mean, what substance 1381573;1453499080;pete_dushenski;sugarpops 1381574;1453499101;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The cobalt was basically a cavalier refresh which was a familiar, dependable kind of shitty. The aveo was an alien kind of suck. 1381575;1453499132;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381552 << i never understood this idea - what is wrong with a normal passenger car ? you can fit even 2x as many children as adults in it 1381576;1453499132;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:29:45; BingoBoingo: Dodge Magnum though could make interesting baby wagon. Just high risk of being stolen because "urban favorite" 1381577;1453499147;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: and you'd be amazed how many buyers preferred the alien. i sold 10x aveos as cobalts in my day. 1381578;1453499167;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Magnum is a good old fashioned station wagon. 1381579;1453499173;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: you're not progressive enough to get it 1381580;1453499203;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You also are Canadian. Locally cobalts are common. Aveos are what Chinese restaurant workers drive. 1381581;1453499208;ben_vulpes;thank you pete_dushenski! 1381582;1453499212;asciilifeform;i see this idea, colleagues had children, 'must buy gigantic truck!1111' 1381583;1453499215;asciilifeform;but... why? 1381584;1453499253;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i thought 'progressive' enviro-whinerism would demand a ~smaller~ car 1381585;1453499254;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Crash resistance. Truck is only way to get body on frame construction. Also favorable height differential in crash. 1381586;1453499331;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381561 << who the everliving fuck ~doesn't~ report the theft? 'oh i don't need the insurance money, just keep it' ? 1381587;1453499331;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:39:10; pete_dushenski: the only way i could explain dodge thefts topping the charts is that only poorfags ~report~ thefts, in much the same way as "all the rapes that happen on us campuses are committed by varsity athletes" 1381588;1453499339;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: avec plaisir :D 1381589;1453499441;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not only are you not a progressive now, but you've clearly never been one either. while it's true that some fall into the 'prius/tesla' camp, others fall into the 'i'd never drive a sedan or wagon because that's what my parents did and that's old-fashioned and/or otherwise bad mkay' camp 1381590;1453499507;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: as to thefts, the point of the rape parallel is that the act (of ownership or sex) never actually happened. 1381591;1453499541;asciilifeform;i dun get it, ~somebody~ had title to the wheeled coffin 1381592;1453499551;asciilifeform;so what does this mean, 'ownership never happened' 1381593;1453499560;asciilifeform;it was on the lot? the dealer (or bank, etc) owned. 1381594;1453499609;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: as BingoBoingo points out, that most of the 'thefts' happened on rental lots indicates exactly this. namely, fraud. 1381595;1453499648;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No. Thefts are rentals that just don't get returned. Talked to a couple people who did the scary work of "rental car recovery" 1381596;1453499673;pete_dushenski;or car "disappeared" from and ended up at employee's step-brother's house, "somehow" 1381597;1453499688;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i guess there's that too eh 1381598;1453499691;asciilifeform;l0l 1381599;1453499699;jurov;rental agencies don't report that? 1381600;1453499726;asciilifeform;it is interesting that a zimbabwe would even get to have such a thing as car rental lots. 1381601;1453499733;jurov;!up gabriel_laddel 1381602;1453499749;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: What typically was the worst case was car renter took car to region under "sovereign flag" like certain areas of North St Louis that precluded recovery when lojack revealed the car to be there. 1381603;1453499749;pete_dushenski;jurov: sure they do, possibly even over-report. 1381604;1453499773;gabriel_laddel;Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics? 1381605;1453499801;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Apparently at that point recovery efforts became limited to driving by to verify the car was there and making it insurance company's problem 1381606;1453499811;gabriel_laddel;I found 20 XC6216-2HQ240Cs 1381607;1453499828;gabriel_laddel;Very reasonably priced too. 1381608;1453499882;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: gonna build own dragonflytron? 1381609;1453499927;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: bwahaha. "how much does your enemy need to pay you for you to answer the call in his time of need ?"... indeed. why shouldn't "recovery" guys be on the same side as "thieves" ? 1381610;1453499934;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: We shall see. I would like to put 8 of them in your hands. S.NSA needs a R&D project. 1381611;1453499955;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: got six or so 'r&d project' depending on how you count. 1381612;1453499962;gabriel_laddel;Though I'd need to see some designs first.. 1381613;1453499962;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: this one's yours. 1381614;1453499991;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: try something easy at first, e.g., evolve a bit-counter 1381615;1453499999;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not necessarily on side of theives. Company just did not want life insurance premiums to bankrupt them so placed sane limits on what could be recovered from where. 1381616;1453500078;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b78 1381617;1453500084;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: know anything about the honda passport model? 1381618;1453500160;pete_dushenski;that it's korean 1381619;1453500179;pete_dushenski;also not sold in canada afaik 1381620;1453500198;ben_vulpes;what does 'korean' mean for build quality and lifetime? 1381621;1453500217;pete_dushenski;very, very bad things. 1381622;1453500234;pete_dushenski;there's a good reason you don't see many 15-20 year old hyundais on the road 1381623;1453500259;ben_vulpes;hm. 1381624;1453500264;asciilifeform;i question that any wheelbox sold now will be on the road in 20 years, even if the road is still there then 1381625;1453500266;ben_vulpes;all the good cars have miserable lines. 1381626;1453500278;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'sold now' is not under consideration. 1381627;1453500308;pete_dushenski;korean shitboxes tend to rattle and groan like very poorly maintained vacuum cleaners at 15-20 years of age and find themselves in the scrap yard as a result 1381628;1453500312;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Gas is cheap. Just get a Ford Excursion and be done with it. 1381629;1453500379;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: honda pilot > passenger 1381630;1453500387;BingoBoingo;Just imagine how much bandwidth it would have when full of tapes! 1381631;1453500393;pete_dushenski;https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5403309932.html 1381632;1453500394;assbot;2003 Honda Pilot LX 4WD ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvhBoG ) 1381633;1453500411;pete_dushenski;" Will trow set of massa 23inch wheels if pay full price." <<< !!! 1381634;1453500430;pete_dushenski;hear that ? he'll "trow" in some spangly dubs tooo !! 1381635;1453500450;pete_dushenski;bbias 1381636;1453500491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00056372 = 53.7789 BTC [-] 1381637;1453500517;BingoBoingo;This looks easy on the HODL https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5404505284.html 1381638;1453500518;assbot;2003 Suburban Z71 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvhSYv ) 1381639;1453500918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00056398 = 28.0016 BTC [+] {3} 1381640;1453501114;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i grew up in a suburban 1381641;1453501119;ben_vulpes;great vans 1381642;1453501124;asciilifeform;living in it?!! 1381643;1453501149;ben_vulpes;certainly felt like it, driving across town to school and back every day. 1381644;1453501149;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bigger than some apartments 1381645;1453501192;BingoBoingo;Can roll the window down and jsut drop a turd on the highway 1381646;1453501204;mod6;my specialty 1381647;1453501250;mod6;'-has a couple songs in the rear bumper' wat? 1381648;1453501282;BingoBoingo;mod6: How can one not want to investigate that mystery? 1381649;1453501297;mod6;right? 1381650;1453501364;BingoBoingo;There's prolly also got to be aftermarket plate armour kits for the thing 1381651;1453501882;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZU3lfeWEAADlIV.jpg 1381652;1453501882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S03PCx ) 1381653;1453501885;BingoBoingo;!up gabriel_laddel 1381654;1453502149;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993 1381655;1453502150;assbot;Ruston's Guide to Spotting and Avoiding Fatfishing | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kvm8ay ) 1381656;1453502198;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is a 'bingo wing' ? 1381657;1453502202;asciilifeform;(mentioned in link) 1381658;1453502275;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing" 1381659;1453502288;asciilifeform;ugh. 1381660;1453502305;asciilifeform;for some reason my first thought was the old viking punishment, 'making the bloody eagle' 1381661;1453502318;BingoBoingo;Ah, not yet. 1381662;1453502329;asciilifeform;(evisceration from behind, lungs would flap out the back like wings) 1381663;1453502427;BingoBoingo;Can then hang as trophy like "angel" 1381664;1453502471;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381575 << he likes to shop for shelf stable stuff at sam's club, once or twice a quarter. needs the space. 1381665;1453502471;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:45:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381552 << i never understood this idea - what is wrong with a normal passenger car ? you can fit even 2x as many children as adults in it 1381666;1453502530;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381586 << not everyone's insured. these are old cars, worth relatively little. 1381667;1453502530;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:48:51; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381561 << who the everliving fuck ~doesn't~ report the theft? 'oh i don't need the insurance money, just keep it' ? 1381668;1453502532;asciilifeform;i do similar, with normal car 1381669;1453502579;asciilifeform;the extra space of all but the most gigantic 'suv' is largely illusory 1381670;1453502607;BingoBoingo;But in the most gigantic, overwhelming space 1381671;1453502619;asciilifeform;in garbage truck, yet moar space!11 1381672;1453502626;BingoBoingo;^ 1381673;1453502653;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381604 << iirc, recycler. 1381674;1453502653;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 21:56:13; gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have experience with North Star Micro Electronics? 1381675;1453502658;asciilifeform;(anyone ever throw a party in a converted garbage truck? and then see if guests piss themselves when you show that the hydraulics STILL work ??) 1381676;1453502679;BingoBoingo;lol 1381677;1453502700;BingoBoingo;Will have to remember that if relapse 1381678;1453503129;asciilifeform;i still think 'babywagon' is a constructed meme, like the diamond ring idiocy 1381679;1453503306;BingoBoingo;Well. might actually make sense when children get to school if personally delivering them. May deter other parent's driving aggression if their baby wagon is insuffiecient to take yours in a fight for space. 1381680;1453503373;BingoBoingo;Could also be a reflection of how many 'Muricans go planetary after birth requiring truck suspensions to hold their ass. 1381681;1453503854;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381651 << ok i lollered 1381682;1453503854;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 22:31:22; BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZU3lfeWEAADlIV.jpg 1381683;1453503877;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381663 << obligatory ancient uncle al: 'i sat down the angel on top of the christmas tree... i think... she ~liked~ it!!11' 1381684;1453503877;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 22:40:27; BingoBoingo: Can then hang as trophy like "angel" 1381685;1453503986;pete_dushenski;"Of the 269 Predators purchased by the Air Force since then, about half have been destroyed or badly damaged in accidents, records show." <--> "The Predator has been our most effective weapon in our campaign against the global jihadists,” said Michael G. Vickers, the Pentagon’s former top civilian intelligence official" 1381686;1453504055;asciilifeform;what, one wonders, are the stats for other flying machines ? 1381687;1453504055;pete_dushenski;when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated. 1381688;1453504077;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension 1381689;1453504118;pete_dushenski;not so. a pension is just a promise, a predator costs money today, in today's dollars 1381690;1453504134;asciilifeform;about what a truck costs 1381691;1453504151;pete_dushenski;widow from vietnam can have 350/mo forever, can't afford cauliflower 1381692;1453504172;pete_dushenski;$4 mn for a truck ?? 1381693;1453504187;asciilifeform;quite possibly. (truck delivered to afghan) 1381694;1453504210;pete_dushenski;see freight costs atm. here to shanghai for the cost of the containers. 1381695;1453504211;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you would be surprised to learn what seemingly pedestrian items cost when purchased on usg dime 1381696;1453504229;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: shanghai is a 'special' place. 1381697;1453504315;pete_dushenski;"In March, the Air Force’s program manager for its Reaper fleet filed a report with the Pentagon noting that there had been “a dramatic increase” in starter-generator failures since 2013." <--> "General Atomics spokeswoman Kimberly Kasitz said the firm “stands behind the proven reliability” of the Reaper." 1381698;1453504330;pete_dushenski;this shit's just too lulzy. honestly. 1381699;1453504352;pete_dushenski;i greater display of circuitous wankery one could scarcely imagine. 1381700;1453504373;asciilifeform;l0l perhaps they're using the starters of the same make as in my old 'subaru'. 1381701;1453504405;pete_dushenski;takata ? famous for poor airbags. 1381702;1453504417;asciilifeform;incidentally, what happens to that thing if the starter croaks? how many hours of battery for guidance system 1381703;1453504439;pete_dushenski;"“Once the battery’s gone, the airplane goes stupid and you lose it,” said Col. Brandon Baker, chief of the Air Force’s remotely piloted aircraft capabilities division. “Quite frankly, we don’t have the root cause ironed out just yet.”" 1381704;1453504443;pete_dushenski;^ 1381705;1453504449;asciilifeform;l0lzy 1381706;1453504464;pete_dushenski;also, "The Reaper carries an emergency battery backup system. But the batteries last only for about one hour. If a malfunctioning drone needs more time than that to reach an airfield, it is in trouble." 1381707;1453504483;pete_dushenski;this shit's better than usgavin, i swear 1381708;1453504513;asciilifeform;i'ma guess these are built without redundant tandems 1381709;1453504517;asciilifeform;(unlike manned machine) 1381710;1453504527;asciilifeform;~deliberately~. 1381711;1453504533;asciilifeform;they are seen as inventory, to be churned 1381712;1453504536;asciilifeform;like rockets. 1381713;1453504610;pete_dushenski;just imagine the conversation at lizard hitler hq : "sir, we have reports that the bitcoin xtcoreclassic team isn't providing adequate lulz to our enemies at #b-a. we've expended all the resources we had at our disposal and it still isn't enough. they're indefatigable sir!" "send in... the drones. it might not be a perfect plan, but it's all we have right now. at the very least, it'll buy us some time." "right away, 1381714;1453504610;pete_dushenski; lizardliness!" 1381715;1453504613;asciilifeform;recall also that 'predator' et al are not aerial combat machines, but roasting-defenceless-people machines 1381716;1453504637;mircea_popescu;quite. 1381717;1453504644;asciilifeform;by design. 1381718;1453504655;asciilifeform;they are not built to survive so much as one bullet. 1381719;1453504666;pete_dushenski;relevant : https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*u0cOcOtNDobvT8ZsWzfzXA.png 1381720;1453504668;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SacMY1 ) 1381721;1453504675;mircea_popescu;much like everything else usg 1381722;1453504679;mircea_popescu;"works fine if you roll over" 1381723;1453504758;asciilifeform;incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it 1381724;1453504768;asciilifeform;quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this. 1381725;1453504824;asciilifeform;the payload could be as humble as one shotgun round. 1381726;1453504828;pete_dushenski;in lab, no, but the results would seem to support your theory, particularly as heathens with slingshots seem to be picking them off like flies buzzing around yesterday's leftovers 1381727;1453504847;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what makes you think that the heathens have picked them off ? 1381728;1453504855;asciilifeform;the most likely scenario is takeoff/landing 'oopses' 1381729;1453504860;asciilifeform;as with ordinary planes. 1381730;1453504884;pete_dushenski;wait, really ? you think ~half~ of their fleet "had accidents" ? 1381731;1453504888;asciilifeform;aha. 1381732;1453504893;pete_dushenski;like they're some kind of total ceo ? 1381733;1453504906;asciilifeform;recall also the other kind of usgistic accident, as with the car rental lots, 1381734;1453504911;asciilifeform;'i want a new one. let's oops this' 1381735;1453504951;pete_dushenski;i'm not persuaded that the front-line gameboyers think that there's an unlimited supply of these machines. 1381736;1453504957;asciilifeform;sorta like a fella i once knew who had a 'new computer if this one dies' warranty, and had a handy electrostatic wand'o'death he built for new-computer-gettin' 1381737;1453504960;pete_dushenski;what if you break xbox... and it was last one ? 1381738;1453504977;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: lol. 1381739;1453504978;asciilifeform;what if you break yer paycheque and it were the last one... 1381740;1453504981;asciilifeform;nobody thinks this. 1381741;1453505000;*;pete_dushenski wasn't raised by wolves, can't confirm 1381742;1453505737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168000 @ 0.0005599 = 94.0632 BTC [-] {4} 1381743;1453505785;asciilifeform;!up polarbeard 1381744;1453505792;polarbeard;hi 1381745;1453505798;asciilifeform;who might you be, polarbeard ? 1381746;1453505800;mircea_popescu;ello 1381747;1453505806;polarbeard;I don't know if you'll find this interesting or horrible :) 1381748;1453505811;polarbeard;but I'll share anyway 1381749;1453505854;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381658 << i went to a bingo hall for the first time in my life recently. made it for like half an hour. mostly in dazed bewilderment that people actually DO this. 1381750;1453505854;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 22:37:55; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Arm fat, usually associated with older ladies that frequent Bingo halls. Now Obesity is prevalent enough the young and under exercised frequently have them. The arm fat in a bingo wing typically "flaps" when moving hence "wing" 1381751;1453505873;polarbeard;I've been toying with trb's building scripts, and I've managed to do a whole build, including sig verification and pressing by generating a makefile 1381752;1453505877;mircea_popescu;for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches. 1381753;1453505878;polarbeard;look here: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/90d9a921f084ed4ae942 1381754;1453505879;assbot;Makefile · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaebxK ) 1381755;1453505894;mircea_popescu;apparently someone does this voluntarily! i expect to see prison camps next! 1381756;1453505899;polarbeard;the makefile there is generated from the script on top 1381757;1453505910;mircea_popescu;polarbeard good for you. now get in the wot. 1381758;1453505914;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no more astonishing than the fact that folks played, e.g., 'everquest', voluntarily 1381759;1453505924;polarbeard;I'm there 1381760;1453505927;mircea_popescu;at least that's with graphics 1381761;1453505936;mircea_popescu;!rate polarbeard 1 Managed a V press. 1381762;1453505936;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e0b87e28121f253c 1381763;1453505936;polarbeard;but unrated 1381764;1453505947;polarbeard;thx 1381765;1453505959;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.polarbeard.1:8a5bdee1eb6f2d33a59c6a5c2f83bc35d2934888e7e09fc6c99cbe2480d8c241 1381766;1453505959;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for polarbeard with note: Managed a V press. 1381767;1453505973;polarbeard;I'll stay around 1381768;1453506002;asciilifeform;polarbeard: how did you come upon your interest in trb ? 1381769;1453506035;polarbeard;we have similar interests, for what I read in the public log 1381770;1453506054;polarbeard;and is nice that you cleaned it up 1381771;1453506066;mircea_popescu;actually that's a neat little script. what dja think trinque mod6 ? 1381772;1453506071;trinque;polarbeard: I posted some makefiles to the ML recently. How does what you've done here compare to it? 1381773;1453506082;mircea_popescu;similar, maybe shorter. 1381774;1453506112;polarbeard;trinque: I used your makefiles to build the script actually, you sped up the process :) 1381775;1453506135;polarbeard;this script generates a single makefile to verify, press and build, without using v 1381776;1453506156;mircea_popescu;to look at that press enum... shit you people've been busy. 1381777;1453506156;trinque;polarbeard: cool man. I'll read it in detail later this evening. 1381778;1453506209;asciilifeform;press enum ? 1381779;1453506211;polarbeard;thanks! is still under heavy testing, but it works 1381780;1453506244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he included a test suite, and a list of its outputs, which is impressive. 1381781;1453506257;mircea_popescu;see L 170> 1381782;1453506305;asciilifeform;neato except for the 32bit key fps 1381783;1453506312;asciilifeform;those need fixin' 1381784;1453506320;asciilifeform;(ln. 186-7) 1381785;1453506339;polarbeard;oh, yep 1381786;1453506349;polarbeard;those will not be imported if you already have them 1381787;1453506352;polarbeard;but right 1381788;1453506427;asciilifeform;polarbeard: in case you did not know, you can browse the almost-current trb using www browser, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected 1381789;1453506428;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaeKaR ) 1381790;1453506443;asciilifeform;very helpful for wrapping one's head around. 1381791;1453506450;polarbeard;asciilifeform: bookmarked, thx 1381792;1453506456;asciilifeform;likewise mod6's chart: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html 1381793;1453506457;assbot;VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp ) 1381794;1453506479;asciilifeform;^ it is mechanically generated but not yet in real time 1381795;1453506530;asciilifeform;polarbeard: you can click on the patches and see exactly what has changed. 1381796;1453506558;polarbeard;neat 1381797;1453506606;mircea_popescu;so why would we find this horrible ? 1381798;1453506625;polarbeard;because you built v in first place 1381799;1453506644;mircea_popescu;well yes but for this reason afaiu. 1381800;1453506692;polarbeard;yep, this is quite experimental anyway, I don't know make's limits 1381801;1453506709;polarbeard;maybe if you feed it too much targets i'll die 1381802;1453506732;polarbeard;*it 1381803;1453506750;jurov;lol 1381804;1453506758;mircea_popescu;that'd be a sight. 1381805;1453506758;jurov;!b 4 1381806;1453506760;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08RVY1R.txt ) 1381807;1453506767;asciilifeform;polarbeard: what do the 'hunks' do ? 1381808;1453506776;mircea_popescu;"make has a 100000 targets limit written into the code" 1381809;1453506778;polarbeard;after verifying, patches are split into hunks 1381810;1453506782;polarbeard;so make can resolve them 1381811;1453506788;mircea_popescu;uh 1381812;1453506791;asciilifeform;why? 1381813;1453506838;mircea_popescu;look at that, it's like we're back to .rar torrents. 1381814;1453506856;polarbeard;why split or why make has to resolve them? 1381815;1453506869;asciilifeform;why the latter 1381816;1453506909;asciilifeform;v is guaranteed to apply all vpatches in the correct order. 1381817;1453506919;polarbeard;there is no v 1381818;1453506939;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381687 << the definition of "effective" under which he operates is both peculiar and self-defeating. he wants to get something (in this case, anything, whatsoever) for nothing (in this case, no casualties, the one thing usg can't afford is coffins). so in that sense, his insanity is sensible. 1381819;1453506939;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:35; pete_dushenski: when your ~most effective~ weapon costs you more to build, maintain, and operate than it causes in damage to your enemies, you're deeply defeated. 1381820;1453506947;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he wrote a makefile maker 1381821;1453506953;polarbeard;it helps with parallelization but there was another reason I forgot 1381822;1453506956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can see this 1381823;1453506968;mircea_popescu;so technically it doesn't need the v once the output has been generated. 1381824;1453506969;asciilifeform;i actually considered implementing v this way, and decided against it 1381825;1453506981;mircea_popescu;yes but all possibility space WILL be explored. 1381826;1453506986;asciilifeform;you lose a good bit of important side functionality, and become dependent on a gigantic gnuturd 1381827;1453506997;asciilifeform;(it is bad enough that we rely on gnu diff) 1381828;1453506999;mircea_popescu;well, he wants to find out if he can crash make. 1381829;1453507003;polarbeard;true, it's just an experiment 1381830;1453507011;polarbeard;you get a signable build process though 1381831;1453507024;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: right :) 1381832;1453507029;asciilifeform;signable? 1381833;1453507068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, as per github tradition. if you trust your computer and v implementation, you can sign the output. 1381834;1453507069;asciilifeform;i suppose if a megatonne of hardcoded hashes can be called 'build process'... 1381835;1453507075;mircea_popescu;how do you thinkg everything else that's signed out there is signed ? 1381836;1453507096;mircea_popescu;and rly i should say "As per git tradition" 1381837;1453507104;mircea_popescu;debian was never anything else, etc. 1381838;1453507123;asciilifeform;i'm still not certain why the patches had to be broken down into patchons 1381839;1453507138;polarbeard;its just intermediary state though 1381840;1453507141;mircea_popescu;;;google pat & patachon 1381841;1453507142;gribble;Pat & Patachon by Thomas Staedeli: ; Soundtrack #7 Pat und Patachon | Eric Frantzen Chor & Orchester ...: ; Pat und Patachon | Eric Frantzen Chor & Orchester | Bulimie Song ...: 1381842;1453507143;polarbeard;like it is on memory using v 1381843;1453507169;polarbeard;hunks is generated by the script after verification 1381844;1453507308;asciilifeform;polarbeard: care to give an example of how this was run ? 1381845;1453507359;asciilifeform;let's say i want to press to the latest 1381846;1453507361;polarbeard;you probably need to specify some paths, wot, patches and sigs 1381847;1453507364;polarbeard;and that's it 1381848;1453507372;polarbeard;sigs is what you call seals 1381849;1453507391;polarbeard;you need the diff splitter, splitdiff 1381850;1453507396;BingoBoingo; for any innocents : bingo is this activity where you get a bit of paper printed with numbers, there's a loudspeaker saying numbers, and you cross out the matches. << Aha, yes. It's like lottery as in person activity. 1381851;1453507422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381690 << nah, they're 2-3 tons at 5-10k a kg. a truck is 5-10 tons at maaaybe a few hundies a kg. 1381852;1453507422;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:08:54; asciilifeform: about what a truck costs 1381853;1453507440;asciilifeform;polarbeard: and i notice that this thing relies on grep 1381854;1453507443;polarbeard;from the patchutils package 1381855;1453507449;asciilifeform;ugh 1381856;1453507456;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno, it looks more like a job (and a shitty one at that) than entertainment to me. 1381857;1453507461;polarbeard;right, you have to feed all the targets 1381858;1453507466;mircea_popescu;:D 1381859;1453507470;asciilifeform;polarbeard: this is neat, in the sense that an eiffel tower built from toothpicks is neat 1381860;1453507474;polarbeard;that's why I said I don't know wether this will hit make's limits 1381861;1453507487;polarbeard;I know :) 1381862;1453507545;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gotta consider the people wo were playing. "Big prison" is already pretty well engrained into their "living" 1381863;1453507563;asciilifeform;i thought 'bingo' was largely played by children ?! 1381864;1453507571;asciilifeform;and folks in insane asylums 1381865;1453507571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely the best introduction i've seen to date, tho. beats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377854 by quite the margin. 1381866;1453507571;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2016 23:27:04; buZz: i am me 1381867;1453507597;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mostly here played by the elderly 1381868;1453507600;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i liked 'jinglebutt' introduction 1381869;1453507602;mircea_popescu;tho i suppose some of the gentlemen may prefer swedes. 1381870;1453507607;mircea_popescu;aha. 1381871;1453507626;mircea_popescu;uh... which was that one ? 1381872;1453507632;asciilifeform;!up polarbeard 1381873;1453507643;mircea_popescu;polarbeard you can self-voice, say !up to assbot in private. 1381874;1453507656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was some chick, you quoted it as 'as the name implies, i am jinglebutt. now remove me from this list' or the like 1381875;1453507669;mircea_popescu;o.O 1381876;1453507679;mircea_popescu;actually, that one reporter wasn't bad, however long ago. 1381877;1453507691;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: thanks for the tip 1381878;1453507708;mircea_popescu;i guess ima make a top nao. brb. 1381879;1453508575;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1381880;1453508581;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 383.64, vol: 14814.48883594 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 388.887, vol: 10333.26836 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.56, vol: 62542.28941267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 352.0, vol: 12.8786204 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.2852, vol: 97365.99530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.3099, vol: 519.12550084 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.786203978, vol: 69.32396777 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1381881;1453508582;BingoBoingo;;;more 1381882;1453508582;gribble;average: 384.957436949 1381883;1453508595;deedbot-;[Qntra] NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment - http://qntra.net/2016/01/nacdl-amicus-silk-road-warrant-unconstitutional-according-to-4th-amendment/ 1381884;1453508684;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178377 << oldies but goldies. 1381885;1453508684;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 22:00:59; ielo: mircea_popescu, i'm just sick of your shit you've independently claimed like 3 people i know are scammers and your life is literally gossiping on the internet 1381886;1453508701;asciilifeform;who even was that 1381887;1453508780;BingoBoingo;Prolly an Israeli Jew 1381888;1453508796;BingoBoingo;Just judging by demographics 1381889;1453508836;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178421 << l0lparticle from linked day in logz 1381890;1453508836;assbot;Logged on 26-06-2015 22:13:17; mircea_popescu: anyway, ascii_field, apparently the dean is asking some questions eh ? 1381891;1453508843;asciilifeform;interesting how this came to nothing. 1381892;1453508863;mircea_popescu;i don't even recall what that was ? 1381893;1453508873;BingoBoingo;U Maryland 1381894;1453508881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was this, http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring 1381895;1453508882;assbot;On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSVkgK ) 1381896;1453508935;asciilifeform;https://cs.umd.edu/~amiller << graduated 1381897;1453508938;assbot;Andrew Miller phd@umd ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSVtkv ) 1381898;1453508942;asciilifeform;no signs of lowering into pederasty 1381899;1453508967;pete_dushenski;except for "Currently on the job market" 1381900;1453508971;asciilifeform;http://elaineshi.com << still employed 1381901;1453508972;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSVwg8 ) 1381902;1453509012;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: that is implied under 'graduated' 1381903;1453509039;mircea_popescu;myeah. dey doubled down on stupid didn't dey. 1381904;1453509049;asciilifeform;she's teaching at cornell now 1381905;1453509058;asciilifeform;upgraded to junior nomenklatura, apparently. 1381906;1453509062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not THAT implied. most employers of uni derps are unis. 1381907;1453509063;asciilifeform;crime - pays. 1381908;1453509077;mircea_popescu;yeah, until it doesn't it keeps paying. 1381909;1453509128;asciilifeform;my point is that it went down exactly how i knew it would - dean looked at the books and understood where the payola comes from, and did not ask further questions of anybody. 1381910;1453509144;asciilifeform;nobody throws out $8M in nsf grantola 1381911;1453509154;mircea_popescu;8mn is actually lowish. 1381912;1453509172;asciilifeform;quite enough to feed two derpatronicists and a dozen slave labourers 1381913;1453509182;asciilifeform;and to leave plenty over for the common piggy 1381914;1453509230;asciilifeform;https://www.cs.umd.edu/article/2014/02/elaine-shi-awarded-2014-sloan-research-fellowship << prize winner !!11111 1381915;1453509233;assbot;Elaine Shi Awarded 2014 Sloan Research Fellowship | UMD Department of Computer Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSW1H1 ) 1381916;1453509248;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 8MN is par for feeding some classes of derp 1381917;1453509306;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758493 << since i'm going through history. 1381918;1453509306;assbot;Logged on 16-07-2014 21:20:07; gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting. 1381919;1453509328;asciilifeform;as a former participant in the racket, i will say that 8m - even in ~today~'s watered-down usg - is a princely grant bag. 1381920;1453509340;asciilifeform;quite enough to run a large lab for a year+. 1381921;1453509454;asciilifeform;the other takeaway is that ~nsf~ specifically is a magical thing in that the dean had nothing whatsoever to worry about, even if the grant were for reprocessing babies into lollipops, he would never be answerable for it - washington ~signed~, aha 1381922;1453509521;mircea_popescu;lol epic logs. "who are you ?" "princessnell sent me" 1381923;1453509557;BingoBoingo;!up polarbeard 1381924;1453509582;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#597433 << lol is this early danielpbarron ? 1381925;1453509582;assbot;Logged on 01-04-2014 16:55:28; mircea_popescu: who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ? 1381926;1453509583;asciilifeform;;;google "ken sent me" 1381927;1453509584;gribble;Leisure Suit Larry: Reloaded - Part 9 - Ken sent me - YouTube: ; Fouk - Ken sent me - YouTube: ; Cosmic Space Jorma - Ken Sent Me - YouTube: 1381928;1453509658;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2014#562094 << lmao. 1381929;1453509658;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2014 18:47:15; mircea_popescu: that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ? 1381930;1453509758;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2014#562097 << heh. dead links. 1381931;1453509758;assbot;Logged on 16-03-2014 18:49:24; datz_: i run https://peercover.com and sponsor http://openxrptalk.com 1381932;1453509859;pete_dushenski;;;seen nubbins` 1381933;1453509859;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america? 1381934;1453509879;pete_dushenski;and then there was one canuckistani 1381935;1453509880;asciilifeform;!s ;;seen nubbins` 1381936;1453509881;assbot;210 results for ';;seen nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%3B%3Bseen+nubbins%60 1381937;1453509914;pete_dushenski;i guess there was the wikidood what was his name... 1381938;1453509915;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-12-2015#1336882 << record not yet broken!111 1381939;1453509915;assbot;Logged on 05-12-2015 14:33:39; gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: autographs for only 5 tx fees 1381940;1453509975;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: From what I understand nubsy occasionally has things to do like reveal laser fraud and print. 1381941;1453510023;pete_dushenski;;;seen mike_c 1381942;1453510024;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already 1381943;1453510038;asciilifeform;;;seen artifexd 1381944;1453510038;mircea_popescu;he has a point dun he. 1381945;1453510038;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is. 1381946;1453510058;mircea_popescu;;;seen fiat500 1381947;1453510058;gribble;fiat500 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 4 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: protein with a side of agony 1381948;1453510064;mircea_popescu;ha-HA! 1381949;1453510075;asciilifeform;;;seen moiety 1381950;1453510075;gribble;moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 13 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, and 4 seconds ago: i have to go, it was nice to see yous 1381951;1453510077;pete_dushenski;lol. 1381952;1453510122;pete_dushenski;mike_c has br0ken previous record : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366012 1381953;1453510122;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:49:35; gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already 1381954;1453510217;mod6;;;seen vragnaroda 1381955;1453510217;gribble;vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 years, 30 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 29 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: I'm American. 1381956;1453510271;mircea_popescu;sheesh 1381957;1453510280;mod6;ikr? 1381958;1453510293;mircea_popescu;and it's still here, you know, four years later. 1381959;1453510305;mircea_popescu;what the fuck lasts this long on the internet. 1381960;1453510324;mod6;not much 1381961;1453510328;mircea_popescu;back then digg > reddit even. 1381962;1453510372;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/server_retired_after_18_years_and_ten_months_beat_that_readers/ 1381963;1453510373;assbot;Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW ) 1381964;1453510396;mircea_popescu;nb. 1381965;1453510434;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993 << lotta that dumb shit on okcupid too. "oh how strange, she has 20 pics in the same exact angle" 1381966;1453510435;assbot;Ruston's Guide to Spotting and Avoiding Fatfishing | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kvm8ay ) 1381967;1453510457;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: OKC is where a lot of fatfishing happens 1381968;1453510571;pete_dushenski;btc-e trading higher than bistamp, which is itself trading higher than bitfinex... don't think i've ever seen that before. 1381969;1453510600;pete_dushenski;must be a blue moon 1381970;1453510639;mircea_popescu;or a red one. 1381971;1453510674;pete_dushenski;soviet moon is best moon 1381972;1453510698;shinohai;o7 1381973;1453510701;pete_dushenski;from the mines : "Make no mistake. Shinola watches are battery-powered, quartz movement watches. They’re not automatics. One could question whether or not a battery-powered watch justifies a $550-$1,000+ price. However, the quartz movements are made by their Swiss partners, Ronda AG, and then are sent to the 30,000 square foot Detroit factory where Shinola created dozens of jobs for Americans. Each Shinola watchmak 1381974;1453510701;pete_dushenski;ndergoes intense, strict training. None of them had any watchmaker experience before. In short, not only did Shinola create jobs, they gave Detroit natives the training to do those jobs. That’s a pretty fucking noble cause, if you ask me." 1381975;1453510746;pete_dushenski;who wouldn't want an over-priced timepiece manufactured by hobos ? not ~real~ americans !!!1 1381976;1453510773;mircea_popescu;uh. weren't q&q quartz timepieces like 10-20 bux since forever ? 1381977;1453510776;mircea_popescu;what 500. 1381978;1453510791;pete_dushenski;"made in detroit" (tm) (r) 1381979;1453510824;pete_dushenski;the only major city with rents under $1/sqm lend untold credulity and providence 1381980;1453510917;mircea_popescu;"As for having fat pets, this shows that they have no concept of portion control. An animal will eat anything you put in front of it." << this is nonsense. 1381981;1453510921;mircea_popescu;what is the animal, a pig ? 1381982;1453510949;deedbot-;[Trilema] The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date - http://trilema.com/2016/the-top-3-best-self-introductions-in-bitcoin-assets-to-date/ 1381983;1453511315;polarbeard;what an honour 1381984;1453511342;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381724 << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick 1381985;1453511342;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:28; asciilifeform: quite odd that nobody has yet (afaik) demonstrated this. 1381986;1453511365;mircea_popescu;(photodiode interrupted electic firiing, fly under enemy, boom) 1381987;1453511436;BingoBoingo;!up polarbeard 1381988;1453511447;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: You know you can voice yourself now? 1381989;1453511467;polarbeard;yes, thanks 1381990;1453511645;BingoBoingo;!help 1381991;1453511645;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1381992;1453511651;BingoBoingo;^instructions there 1381993;1453511665;BingoBoingo;!down polarbeard !up thyself 1381994;1453512055;pete_dushenski;off to the cinema. g'nite ! 1381995;1453512071;mircea_popescu;https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*u0cOcOtNDobvT8ZsWzfzXA.png << this is actually pretty good. 1381996;1453512072;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SacMY1 ) 1381997;1453512380;ben_vulpes;woof 1381998;1453512416;ben_vulpes;i think that i hate managing projects. 1381999;1453512428;ben_vulpes;in bezzleland at least. 1382000;1453512443;ben_vulpes;glorified secretarial work. 1382001;1453512468;mircea_popescu;ever seen glengarry glenn ross ? 1382002;1453512532;mircea_popescu;"What are you, you're a secretary, John. Fuck you. That's my message for you." 1382003;1453512595;ben_vulpes;i have. 1382004;1453512645;ben_vulpes;the salesmen are also entirely interchangeable. 1382005;1453512664;ben_vulpes;except for the ones who are not and who don't want anything to do with my asbestos gloves. 1382006;1453512720;mircea_popescu;quite. 1382007;1453512738;mircea_popescu;then again john was quite a miserable manager. 1382008;1453512766;mircea_popescu;all of the defense (you know, picking up when people steal toilet paper), none of the offense, none of the good stuff, like making the team not suck dicks. 1382009;1453512888;ben_vulpes;i don't see the problem with embezzling a reasonable amount of toilet paper. it's a valid business expense, and the staff don't get taxed for it. 1382010;1453513005;mircea_popescu;well, it's your fucking toilet paper and what sort of people are these. 1382011;1453513044;ben_vulpes;hey man i'm just trying to get cash in the kids pockets while paying as little taxes on it as possible 1382012;1453513049;ben_vulpes;tax* 1382013;1453513083;mircea_popescu;sounds ever more like a co-op :D 1382014;1453513110;ben_vulpes;heh 1382015;1453513113;ben_vulpes;funny you should mention that 1382016;1453513118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49654 @ 0.00055672 = 27.6434 BTC [-] {2} 1382017;1453513124;ben_vulpes;the insane fucking rules around ESOPs. i tell you. 1382018;1453513173;ben_vulpes;wall street and congress got a hold of the notion and now there are all sorts of arcane bezzle-quirements like "must get valued by a state-blessed valutron", "must be investment grade paper" etc. 1382019;1453513223;mircea_popescu;the problem here, and it's a fundamental problem, is that the derps that get employed aren't usually investor grade. 1382020;1453513234;ben_vulpes;ofc not 1382021;1453513255;mircea_popescu;they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons 1382022;1453513257;ben_vulpes;i had to explain how buy-and-hold of non-dividend-paying-stocks the other day wasn't forgoing compounding. 1382023;1453513273;mircea_popescu;the result is that they have to make an endless array of rules to approximate "not entirely fucktarded teen". 1382024;1453513291;ben_vulpes;fucktarded teen still gets hoodwinked with worthless paper regularly. 1382025;1453513300;mircea_popescu;they perceive they gotta try. 1382026;1453513334;mircea_popescu;the only correct solution is to pay in stock only. you do get alf moaning about his sad fate as an owner of his own fate, 1382027;1453513344;mircea_popescu;but the alternative is drinking straight crazy from a toilet bowl. 1382028;1453513345;ben_vulpes;and as a result, my equitizing the staff is miserably difficult. 1382029;1453513369;mircea_popescu;imo you're trying to make a copper-iron thermostable alloy. 1382030;1453513371;mircea_popescu;desist. 1382031;1453513408;ben_vulpes;explain the parallel in a little more detail? 1382032;1453513456;mircea_popescu;there is absolutely no reason people who make 30 an hour should own stock ; and if they did it certainly shouldn't be yours. 1382033;1453513530;mircea_popescu;their needs (represented by copper in this diagram) and the realities of owning stock in a small venture (represented by iron in same) have very different reactions to a change in financial context (represented as temperature) 1382034;1453513552;mircea_popescu;you're trying to meld two things together that will never, ever stay put as temperature varies. 1382035;1453513567;mircea_popescu; even if through whatever arcana you get it "good enough" for the current context you happen to inhabit, such as your room. 1382036;1453513654;ben_vulpes;i just had the weirdest experience 1382037;1453513663;mircea_popescu;whassat 1382038;1453513669;ben_vulpes;i realized that the shartup bezzletron actually got this right 1382039;1453513673;mircea_popescu;it did. 1382040;1453513684;mircea_popescu;well, better than throwing darts anyway. 1382041;1453513728;ben_vulpes;anyways, thanks for the insight. 1382042;1453513749;mircea_popescu;hey, they don't pay me $infinity + bonuses + golden dirigibles for nothing. 1382043;1453513798;ben_vulpes;lol golden dirigible 1382044;1453513826;ben_vulpes;anyways this place is amazing 1382045;1453513826;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1382046;1453513828;mircea_popescu;hey, i started low on the dirigible scale. 1382047;1453513850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00055705 = 15.9595 BTC [+] 1382048;1453513861;ben_vulpes;years of slaving for nuggets of insight once or thrice a quarter 1382049;1453513875;ben_vulpes;i wonder what alf gets out of it, so competent as he is. 1382050;1453513879;ben_vulpes;rubs the wrath itch? 1382051;1453513891;mircea_popescu;yes but see, you get them as you need 'em. lyf. 1382052;1453513923;ben_vulpes;life would be more like you don't get them when you need them. 1382053;1453514171;ben_vulpes;i am now confronted with the difficult question of what the fuck i'm doing even owning my own stock. 1382054;1453514187;mircea_popescu;now you are truly welcome. 1382055;1453514273;ben_vulpes;relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel? 1382056;1453514290;ben_vulpes;clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'. 1382057;1453514607;asciilifeform;brunel was in the up elevator 1382058;1453514628;ben_vulpes;what is this 'up elevator' 1382059;1453514629;asciilifeform;as was, e.g., tesla 1382060;1453514638;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: living in a rising, rather than falling, empire 1382061;1453514660;ben_vulpes;ah 1382062;1453514667;ben_vulpes;well that's novel and depressing 1382063;1453514678;asciilifeform;rewards slightly different sorts of folk 1382064;1453514804;*;asciilifeform reads thread, and falls down, srsly, ben_vulpes pays his monkeyz stock ? 1382065;1453514816;asciilifeform;why?! 1382066;1453514829;ben_vulpes;lol you didn't read the thread didja 1382067;1453514845;ben_vulpes;toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity! 1382068;1453514849;asciilifeform;something about tax dodges, aha 1382069;1453514865;asciilifeform;'clever was the turkey, but ended in the soup anyway' 1382070;1453514872;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) 1382071;1453514887;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381525 << same exact story here. californians and it only happens once per year. 1382072;1453514887;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 20:50:17; BingoBoingo: We only got 3 or 4 inches of snow. Yet rather than remove it derps drive over it until it refreezes into a slick that doesn't remove so easily 1382073;1453514891;ben_vulpes;well it doesn't actually work, asciilifeform 1382074;1453514918;ben_vulpes;apparently i'm so scary i'm the only one taking the wine^H^H^H^Htoilet paper home 1382075;1453514962;asciilifeform;oh and you're not running a proper sov-collapse shop until the workers have to bring own shitpaper 1382076;1453514994;ben_vulpes;dude heaven forfend 1382077;1453515021;ben_vulpes;i can see it though 1382078;1453515096;asciilifeform;there are tales of truck stops in finland being picked clean, early '90s, even of fixtures like mirrors and toilet paper ~holders~, for a while. then they were re-equipped sov-style to have nothing worth taking 1382079;1453515147;ben_vulpes;heh 1382080;1453515150;asciilifeform;in a sufficiently intense collapse one might expect the toilets themselves to disappear, eventually 1382081;1453515160;ben_vulpes;good old anemic hand dryers 1382082;1453515168;ben_vulpes;"wipe your hands on your pants, plebe" 1382083;1453515175;ben_vulpes;it's good for the envirowhatever 1382084;1453515185;ben_vulpes;(tr) (m) 1382085;1453515269;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382055 << you kill the queen of the hive and eat the royal jelly. this gives you five extra appendages, with which to kill other pretenders, and +5 vorpal sword of virility, and a +3 willpower. 1382086;1453515269;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 01:57:53; ben_vulpes: relatedly, how does one grow worthy of the golden dirigible? kill everyone between you and it? does this hold for the smith? what about brunel? 1382087;1453515289;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1381924 << yes and I'm glad I had the sense to stfu after that line 1382088;1453515289;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 00:39:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#597433 << lol is this early danielpbarron ? 1382089;1453515327;ben_vulpes;wow 1382090;1453515329;ben_vulpes;time flies 1382091;1453515411;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382021 << around here, there is no shortage of 500k/y,50y.o. mortgaged to the hilt, who would die ~faster than i would~ if income cut to 0 1382092;1453515411;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 01:40:55; mircea_popescu: they didn't want to make a simple "stock ownership for employees is STRICTLY reserved for employees making over 500k a year and over the age of 50" for obvious reasons 1382093;1453515441;asciilifeform;a 500k/y chump is just a slightly higher-powered chump 1382094;1453515461;asciilifeform;and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid. 1382095;1453515510;asciilifeform;he ~could~ put the 500 in his pocket instead of mortgaging his anal virginity to a 10m cardboard 'house'. 1382096;1453515541;asciilifeform;BUT these folks are typically 'bred to be eaten', heavily selected in the first place for the kind of behaviours that preclude 500k-in-pocket. 1382097;1453515550;asciilifeform;at least here in the reservation, this is so. 1382098;1453515632;asciilifeform;also 1382099;1453515658;asciilifeform;also i am quite amused thinking about how ben_vulpes quasi-offered me work in a shop where the toilet paper is supposed to be an appealing perk 1382100;1453515677;ben_vulpes;again with the not reading the threads omg! 1382101;1453515690;asciilifeform;what did i miss now. 1382102;1453515728;ben_vulpes;'tis in the logs. 1382103;1453515764;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382067 << do i misinterpret this ? 1382104;1453515764;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:07:25; ben_vulpes: toilet paper, and i ain't talkin equity! 1382105;1453515788;ben_vulpes;yes. that's a joke about stock in startups. 1382106;1453515808;asciilifeform;ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock. 1382107;1453515816;ben_vulpes;i was talking about several things! 1382108;1453515858;asciilifeform;re: paying non-investorgrade folks (as in, people who need to ~work to eat~) in stock, do you know the soviet voucher story ? 1382109;1453515872;ben_vulpes;no, go on 1382110;1453515882;asciilifeform;!s privatization 1382111;1453515883;assbot;12 results for 'privatization' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=privatization 1382112;1453515927;asciilifeform;de-sovietized affairs of all kinds, from oil&gas to factories, etc. were turned into stock, 'vouchers', parcelled out among the peeeeeple 1382113;1453515940;asciilifeform;and pretty much all ended up sold for nanopennies 1382114;1453515948;asciilifeform;so that folks could eat a little in the hungry '90s 1382115;1453515950;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381688 << 'tis just a step on the road to the obvious solution of entirely disposable versions of all the above 1382116;1453515950;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:07:57; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: actually these are cheap, esp. in that when they explode, nobody's widow gets a pension 1382117;1453515994;asciilifeform;... ditto the flats, which were now owned by the residents, making 'insta-millionaires' 1382118;1453516016;asciilifeform;but somehow most ended up bought up by folks who didn't have to worry about eatin' 1382119;1453516024;asciilifeform;and now the rest, pay them rent. 1382120;1453516033;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise 1382121;1453516045;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#654954 << see also. 1382122;1453516045;assbot;Logged on 02-05-2014 03:15:33; asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.' 1382123;1453516077;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381723 << which is mind-boggling given the thing has a what turbofan? 1382124;1453516077;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:19:18; asciilifeform: incidentally 'predator' is a very slow machine, a toy chopper could quite likely catch up with it 1382125;1453516110;asciilifeform;thing is also large and draggy 1382126;1453516114;ben_vulpes;we have yet to arrive at state-issued flats for all but the most deeeeeserving of poor. 1382127;1453516133;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: japanese for-placement-only netdrones could probably snag one 1382128;1453516156;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and not actually similar, even where exist. american 'sec 8' leprosoria are not in any sense whatsoever owned by the inhabitants 1382129;1453516176;asciilifeform;whereas sov flat inhabitant could only be dislodged by death or prison term 1382130;1453516192;asciilifeform;a much stronger ownership than ANYBODY in usa has of ANY real estate 1382131;1453516234;ben_vulpes;https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/90d9a921f084ed4ae942#file-buildgen-L30 << enough with the aligned shits 1382132;1453516236;assbot;Makefile · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1WJKy ) 1382133;1453516248;ben_vulpes;you can smell the users of fashionable editors a mile away 1382134;1453516257;ben_vulpes;i'd wager this one uses Atom 1382135;1453516264;ben_vulpes;or Sublime Dicks 1382136;1453516272;asciilifeform;bawawhat 1382137;1453516284;asciilifeform;i thought 'atom' was a www syndicatron thing 1382138;1453516328;asciilifeform;sublime dicks, on the other hand, is mega-popular for some reason, colleagues had it and i lullzed seeing the nag popup interrupt their session 1382139;1453516342;ben_vulpes;some "we're going to revolutionize editing text by pretending emacs was never a thing" 1382140;1453516354;ben_vulpes;lol over there too? 1382141;1453516362;ben_vulpes;i routinely mock users who have the escape wired into their brains 1382142;1453516363;asciilifeform;emacs is a thick enough, barbed enough broomstick, that this is not hard to pull off 1382143;1453516376;ben_vulpes;"what, can't afford 10 dollars for your text editor?" 1382144;1453516386;ben_vulpes;(or two man-years, yes) 1382145;1453516407;asciilifeform;doubly lulzy when you're all pro re folks who 'ida' all day long 1382146;1453516413;asciilifeform;and too lazy to bust the idiot nagware 1382147;1453516429;ben_vulpes;the mind, it doth boggle. 1382148;1453516445;polarbeard;lol, sublime 1382149;1453516457;polarbeard;I use the only and true editor 1382150;1453516468;asciilifeform;'ed' ? 1382151;1453516473;ben_vulpes;nano! 1382152;1453516476;polarbeard;notepad.exe 1382153;1453516479;ben_vulpes;editor of the dirigible 1382154;1453516493;asciilifeform;pair'o'wirez+teeth 1382155;1453516507;ben_vulpes;electron beam and a good set of sights 1382156;1453516510;polarbeard;aggresive looks to the keyboard 1382157;1453516535;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381809 << what? no. 1382158;1453516535;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:52:58; polarbeard: after verifying, patches are split into hunks 1382159;1453516573;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381817 << what? what?! 1382160;1453516573;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 23:55:19; polarbeard: there is no v 1382161;1453516600;polarbeard;again, hunks = intermediate state 1382162;1453516614;ben_vulpes;why. 1382163;1453516626;polarbeard;the script is 300 lines, not hard to review 1382164;1453516637;polarbeard;again, experiments, do not use 1382165;1453516641;ben_vulpes;if so easy to review, similarly easy to explain. 1382166;1453516662;polarbeard;ask 1382167;1453516664;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1381849 << more dependencies, and again i ask /why/ 1382168;1453516664;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 00:03:11; polarbeard: you need the diff splitter, splitdiff 1382169;1453516667;ben_vulpes;why? 1382170;1453516682;polarbeard;make is a build tool, it can build the press 1382171;1453516683;asciilifeform;i read the whole thing, still can't figure out the 'why' 1382172;1453516702;polarbeard;why implementing toposort for the nth time 1382173;1453516722;ben_vulpes;why split the patches, polarbeard, quit dodging the question. 1382174;1453516729;polarbeard;linear dependencies 1382175;1453516732;asciilifeform;wait till polarbeard finds out what ~else~ we intend to implement for the n+1th time 1382176;1453516761;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1381913 << and that's eating the capital of all sins 1382177;1453516761;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 00:33:02; asciilifeform: and to leave plenty over for the common piggy 1382178;1453516778;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: should reimplementing toposort be impossibly painful for you... 1382179;1453516794;polarbeard;lol, k 1382180;1453516807;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: folks who have enough capital to eat the drawn dividends, eat that, and never eat capital. the rest of us, eat whatever falls into the hopper 1382181;1453516823;asciilifeform;see the su privatization thread again, if this does not make sense. 1382182;1453516824;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: look at my contribution history. it is very nearly 100% reimplementations of that which asciilifeform or mod6 or trinque have written first. 1382183;1453516839;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however. 1382184;1453516908;ben_vulpes;whomever? 1382185;1453516920;*;ben_vulpes is the undereducated american today as every day 1382186;1453516936;asciilifeform;i can't speak for ben_vulpes, but the idea that folks who what they do for some explicable reason, rather than because of daemonic possession, was - imho - an advance. 1382187;1453516960;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: in reference to? 1382188;1453516976;asciilifeform;in re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382183 1382189;1453516976;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:40:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i care not why whoever sins however. 1382190;1453516977;ben_vulpes;oh, whichever sins? 1382191;1453516998;ben_vulpes;this is like me giving a shit about what gavin and company do and derp about on reddit. 1382192;1453517007;asciilifeform;the islamic world, for instance, never moved beyond this, and it shows 1382193;1453517017;asciilifeform;'electron moves because allah willed so' 1382194;1453517059;ben_vulpes;the dependency chain of "well i work for satan because i got this useless phd that i got because i had a masters i didn't know what to do with because i got a bachelors that i similarly didn't understand the purpose of because i was told to go to college and" it never fucking ends and i don't really give a shit about the root cause for whatever retardation. 1382195;1453517074;ben_vulpes;and no this is not "electron" this is why did isaac fuck ahmeds goat 1382196;1453517125;ben_vulpes;i literally do not care and the spending of time figuring out why the derps do what they do is best left as an exercise to good men like mister backtick who actually enjoy hanging out on bitcointalk.org all day 1382197;1453517154;ben_vulpes;and for the umpteenth time polarbeard /why/ split the damn patches and introduce a million new dependencies? 1382198;1453517177;polarbeard;what dependencies? 1382199;1453517179;ben_vulpes;"i didn't know any better" is, for the record, an entirely acceptable response. 1382200;1453517182;ben_vulpes;diffsplit 1382201;1453517208;polarbeard;*splitdiff 1382202;1453517224;polarbeard;it's a neat tool 1382203;1453517247;ben_vulpes;but more importantly the patches 1382204;1453517249;polarbeard;I aliased it to 'spliff' 1382205;1453517251;ben_vulpes;why won't you answer that one 1382206;1453517275;polarbeard;linear dependencies, easier to handle 1382207;1453517304;polarbeard;intermediate state is all about optimization 1382208;1453517308;ben_vulpes;violates principles of v, though. 1382209;1453517315;ben_vulpes;this is 'yagni' optimization. 1382210;1453517316;polarbeard;you didn't read the script 1382211;1453517325;ben_vulpes;i have to admit, my eyes glazed over. 1382212;1453517370;ben_vulpes;i saw some turds, asked some questions, am not entirely thrilled with answers. 1382213;1453517401;*;ben_vulpes has now filed reports with whip-crackers, can go home to die in sweet embrace, will be off shortly 1382214;1453517538;ben_vulpes;anyways, interesting thing, polarbeard, perhaps i shall test it some day along side the tools written by people i trust like mod6 and trinque and asciilifeform. 1382215;1453517569;ben_vulpes;in the meantime, try to understand why we use 'v', and why your failure to do so has lead me to stomp on the ground like a petulant child. 1382216;1453517575;ben_vulpes;led* 1382217;1453517894;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: apparently fella wanted to reimplement v in gnumake (as i once considered doing) but made some peculiar design decisions along the way 1382218;1453517906;asciilifeform;(no, you don't ~have~ to split the patches into patchons, to do this) 1382219;1453517928;asciilifeform;also it appears that his version requires you to manually munge it every time a new patch is added 1382220;1453517932;polarbeard;I would have to implement a hash table in bash 1382221;1453517934;polarbeard;meh 1382222;1453517954;polarbeard;to keep track of multiple parents 1382223;1453517998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80950 @ 0.00055893 = 45.2454 BTC [+] {3} 1382224;1453518000;asciilifeform;which is how i ended up ~not~ doing it in gnumake 1382225;1453518005;polarbeard;that's right, I shouldn't have released it this early anyway 1382226;1453518014;polarbeard;just wanted to get some love 1382227;1453518038;asciilifeform;but overall, dependency on ~more~ unix tools is a bad thing, and dependency on ~more complicated~ and less-likely-to-be-reimplemented-by-wot-folk-soon tools, likewise 1382228;1453518073;asciilifeform;polarbeard: why not try your hand at, say, a tx debugger? sorely needed item 1382229;1453518086;polarbeard;what do you want from a tx debugger 1382230;1453518095;polarbeard;I wanted to instrumentalize trb a bit, btw 1382231;1453518115;polarbeard;a tx debugger sort-of-fits in my plans 1382232;1453518162;polarbeard;feed me :3 1382233;1453519097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00055818 = 27.0159 BTC [-] {3} 1382234;1453519451;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382057 << who's brunel ?! 1382235;1453519451;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:03:27; asciilifeform: brunel was in the up elevator 1382236;1453519493;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382056 << i have nfi. i think it's a lot of "how does one get a gf". not being worthy, per se. not demanding $randomfemale submit, per se. not that far off, either. 1382237;1453519493;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 01:58:10; ben_vulpes: clearly, there's no 'worthy' but 'demands'. 1382238;1453519547;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382062 << but it does make a lot of difference. a rising tide lifts all boats, there was no admiral nelson of the mughal empire. certainly not at that date. 1382239;1453519547;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:04:27; ben_vulpes: well that's novel and depressing 1382240;1453519684;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382077 << it happened. 1382241;1453519684;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:10:21; ben_vulpes: i can see it though 1382242;1453519944;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382094 << you deeply misunderstand what "investor grade" means in this context. the point is that he is RARE. you understand this ? the fundamental property of capital control in any functioning society without exception possible is that it must be concentrated. 1382243;1453519944;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:17:41; asciilifeform: and by no automagic means 'investor-grade' humanoid. 1382244;1453519964;mircea_popescu;so, if that guy fucks up, as no doubt he will, his distress is merely amusing from a societal pov. and perhaps instructive., but mostly amusing. 1382245;1453519969;mircea_popescu;and "you only have yourself to blame". 1382246;1453519991;mircea_popescu;when plebs "own stock", the problem becomes unsolvable, because the ready answer is, "i can't blame myself, for i'm nothing - so i'll just blame the gods" 1382247;1453519997;mircea_popescu;you can't blame the gods and live to see the morn. 1382248;1453520082;BingoBoingo;for alf https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZXFI7GU8AAo4jj.jpg 1382249;1453520083;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pc6m9Y ) 1382250;1453520154;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382106 "and the moon changes ever as his mind!" 1382251;1453520154;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:23:28; asciilifeform: ok so you ~were~ speaking of stock. 1382252;1453520311;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382120 << there's no other way out of the idiocy of equality. 1382253;1453520311;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:27:13; asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise 1382254;1453520339;mircea_popescu;two step process : a) make everyone ACTUALLY carry the burden of being the lord he was seeing himself as and b) allow the scum to shirk away. 1382255;1453520370;mircea_popescu;then they'll rant and rave about "dupa ce i-a cheltuit vor merita sa devina muncitori ! Nu mai au nici o scuza ca au devenit saraci!" 1382256;1453520438;mircea_popescu;the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live. 1382257;1453520480;mircea_popescu;this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology. 1382258;1453520522;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382234 << isambard kingdom brunel. quite possibly greatest engineer of all time - built first modern bridges, world's largest ships of his century, for britain 1382259;1453520522;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:24:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382057 << who's brunel ?! 1382260;1453520560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 236958 @ 0.00055614 = 131.7818 BTC [-] {6} 1382261;1453520605;danielpbarron;;;later tell mod6 i think your twatter bot died again 1382262;1453520606;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1382263;1453520617;danielpbarron;i like to retweet those greaterthan 100 btc trades 1382264;1453520630;mircea_popescu;oh oh 1382265;1453520724;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382257 << this'd be rather like a pirate proposing that piracy is the only possible structure. if it were, what would there be for him to plunder ? 1382266;1453520724;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:41:20; mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone of any possible sociology. 1382267;1453520731;asciilifeform;su existed. 1382268;1453520738;asciilifeform;for the privatizatory to carve up 1382269;1453520741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prison term didn't dislodge. people came back to their own flats. 1382270;1453520746;mircea_popescu;prison term FOR WHOLE FAMILY 1382271;1453520757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not if 'sentenced to 100th km' 1382272;1453520767;mircea_popescu;even those got rescinded. 1382273;1453520778;asciilifeform;on occasion, yes 1382274;1453520800;mircea_popescu;right. but generally fambly kept the place, for mere conviction. it had to be political-wrathful to dislodge. 1382275;1453520834;mircea_popescu;anyway - the exact same sort of people sifted to the top in the su as do anywhere else all the time. which is why yeltsin didn't survive and putin did. 1382276;1453520917;asciilifeform;history is not, fortunately or otherwise, an endless loop of the same thing 1382277;1453520939;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1382278;1453520951;mircea_popescu;history is precisely an endless loop of the same thing. also, it has to be. 1382279;1453520976;asciilifeform;it is the job of the inventor to not permit the endless loop. 1382280;1453520983;asciilifeform;otherwise, yes, 5000 yrs of egypt. 1382281;1453520996;mircea_popescu;the inventor is in this matter very closely related to the fashion designer. 1382282;1453521005;mircea_popescu;they work hard at lipsticking the pig. 1382283;1453521020;mircea_popescu;fortunately or otherwise, few live the millenia required for most of it to wear off. 1382284;1453521066;asciilifeform;wake me up from my grave when, e.g., the gunpowder fashion, dies down. 1382285;1453521071;mircea_popescu;also you'll be very hard pressed to argue that 5000 years of egypt were less than 5000 years hence. 1382286;1453521086;mircea_popescu;(if for instance your aim is "population", mind that they started on a very narrow base. hard to beat.) 1382287;1453521093;mod6;danielpbarron: thx for the heads up 1382288;1453521147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the egypt point is in re: the fact that the 3000th yr was quite like the 4000th and entirely possibly indistinguishable even to pro archaeologist 1382289;1453521158;asciilifeform;perhaps a better example would've been the 10,000 yrs of australian abo. 1382290;1453521173;mircea_popescu;you flatter yourself if you imagine there's more difference here than there, to an archeologist so distant in the future. 1382291;1453521178;mircea_popescu;their shit keeps better than your shit does. 1382292;1453521183;asciilifeform;no doubt. 1382293;1453521226;asciilifeform;and the fossilized skeletons of the jurassic keep better still. 1382294;1453521243;mircea_popescu;besides, the discussion in civilisational terms is besides the point. i guarantee that there was an alf in upper egypt bemoaning the vagaries of fate in the following exact terms : 1382295;1453521280;mircea_popescu;"Whether 'tis nobler in the mind, to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them ?" 1382296;1453521480;asciilifeform;quite possibly. 1382297;1453521493;asciilifeform;but meanwhile somebody wiped arse with the papyrus. 1382298;1453521497;asciilifeform;so we're stuck guessing. 1382299;1453521498;mircea_popescu;so what did not repeat ? the shape of the woman's pants ? 1382300;1453521501;mircea_popescu;who cares, it's the same ass. 1382301;1453521549;asciilifeform;telegraphy ? 1382302;1453521560;trinque;they used to have feet. so what? 1382303;1453521560;mircea_popescu;telegraphy is not a thing. 1382304;1453521579;asciilifeform;i know full well that mircea_popescu can arbitrarily redefine 'a thing' for there to be none. 1382305;1453521621;mircea_popescu;do you miss the things that'll be discovered after you die, perhaps ? nobody cares. you happen to have seen telegraph. they saw the complex calculation of how to pi, and counted them very civilised for it. big whoop. 1382306;1453521621;trinque;it's simply staring at the tool and thinking of it in isolation, rather than inside the human process in which it is used 1382307;1453521631;asciilifeform;i can boot up fortran and set 1 to equal 2 also. 1382308;1453521720;asciilifeform;and i suppose 'human processes' didn't change a lick since pharaonic egypt. aha, right. 1382309;1453521725;mircea_popescu;quite. 1382310;1453521735;mircea_popescu;there's exactly nothing to change. what'd you change ? 1382311;1453521764;mircea_popescu;you still value what you lost more than what you gain by that loss. you still need stimuli to grow geometrically for subjective sensation to progress arithmetically. 1382312;1453521782;asciilifeform;and my arse still takes up space in 3 dimensions, big whoop 1382313;1453521785;mircea_popescu;your eyes' cablature still crosses behind your nose. 1382314;1453521790;mircea_popescu;quite. 1382315;1453521811;*;trinque notes the former SU guy's fixation on novelty 1382316;1453521814;trinque;HA! 1382317;1453521817;mircea_popescu;lol 1382318;1453521822;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu blasting off to mothership, tells chums 'this planet is a mega-snore, nothing ~ever~ changes there, let's get outtahere' 1382319;1453521831;mircea_popescu;i don't mind. 1382320;1453521857;mircea_popescu;i expect change like you expect nonsense. it comes out of young / silly people. 1382321;1453521877;asciilifeform;and asteroids. 1382322;1453521882;mircea_popescu;hardly. 1382323;1453521919;mircea_popescu;you ever read that thing on the latin language ? 1382324;1453521932;asciilifeform;'the 80th latin' or what was it 1382325;1453521935;asciilifeform;on trilema ? 1382326;1453521936;mircea_popescu;yeah that. 1382327;1453521939;asciilifeform;aha 1382328;1453521946;asciilifeform;spiffy 1382329;1453521960;mircea_popescu;so asteroid. what sort of novelty is that ? 1382330;1453522013;mircea_popescu;the only news in the world is the history you didn't know and the measurements you took incorrectly. 1382331;1453522030;mircea_popescu;not like photons went you know what ? this planck constant's boring, let's get a new one. 1382332;1453522045;asciilifeform;i suppose if asteroid cleaned everybody's clock but the hydrothermal vent microbes, mircea_popescu would (from his dirigible!) still say, 'nothing novel, planet still crawling with whatevers, snore' 1382333;1453522055;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1382334;1453522071;asciilifeform;i cannot say to this, but only take off my hat. 1382335;1453522080;asciilifeform;*say anything 1382336;1453522087;mircea_popescu;your earlier mistake was to suppose it's UP TO THEM. 1382337;1453522101;mircea_popescu;it isn't up to them. some people dont' care. some do. they can't change this anymore than you can be a woman. 1382338;1453522118;asciilifeform;wai wut? up to whom ? 1382339;1453522119;mircea_popescu;now, it's true that miseducation can bring one up to think himself the other kind, whichg CAN be remedied. 1382340;1453522130;mircea_popescu;but this is not unlike retarded mother bringing boy up in skirts. 1382341;1453522146;mircea_popescu;eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off. 1382342;1453522197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382256 1382343;1453522197;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:40:38; mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live. 1382344;1453522241;asciilifeform;this is also how we get http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1381984 1382345;1453522241;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 01:09:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381724 << if anyone in afghanistan etc were not fully employed in countig rocks and fucking goats thus managing to find their way here, i'd definitely finance a project to fly a quad to a drone and use the old komet trick 1382346;1453522251;mircea_popescu;how would you know this ? 1382347;1453522303;trinque;mircea_popescu │ eventually, if nothing was cut off, duck in the yard can no longer resist the call of ducks in the sky and takes off. << I'm going to go ahead and carve this one into the inside of my skull. 1382348;1453522306;asciilifeform;in approx same way and to same degree as i know that electron exists. 1382349;1453522314;asciilifeform;(no, i did not see one with naked eye.) 1382350;1453522324;mircea_popescu;so what did you see to make this equivalence stick ? 1382351;1453522342;mircea_popescu;for instance, charge of electron can be measured even from white noise of antenna. 1382352;1453522347;asciilifeform;aha 1382353;1453522362;mircea_popescu;and from molar mass / speed of reaction 1382354;1453522364;asciilifeform;and the sheer mega-virility of pashtun can be likewise measured in 1,001 ways. 1382355;1453522367;mircea_popescu;and from a number of other things. 1382356;1453522373;mircea_popescu;but that's not your thesis. 1382357;1453522403;asciilifeform;thesis is that 'the spartan speaks with his sword', untempered, results in goatfuckistan. 1382358;1453522425;mircea_popescu;but no. your thesis is that "can only result in" goatfuckistan. 1382359;1453522428;asciilifeform;as amply confirmed experimentally as anything i'd care to think of. 1382360;1453522430;mircea_popescu;and this has nothing to stand on. 1382361;1453522436;mircea_popescu;such as actual sparta ? 1382362;1453522440;asciilifeform;has same to stand on as 'communism results in misery' etc 1382363;1453522445;asciilifeform;the totality of the record. 1382364;1453522446;mircea_popescu;not so. 1382365;1453522534;asciilifeform;wake me up when the he-men create so much as a 'aa' battery. 1382366;1453522534;mircea_popescu;there's another great difference, which may be easier to ford. socialism - sacrifice now for later paradise. this - is enjoyable. now. so much so i have not the least care if paradise or no paradise, or as the old man of the mountain said to allah, 1382367;1453522537;mircea_popescu;"you can keep your virgins" 1382368;1453522562;mircea_popescu;"i already ate". 1382369;1453522668;asciilifeform;this being said, i wouldn't mind visiting limonov's (or mircea_popescu's for that matter) planet where folks practice bare-handed head-chopping from sunrise to noon, and measure neutron cross-sections, compose symphonies, after dinner 1382370;1453522687;asciilifeform;followed by a good ol'fashioned chess-boxing match on weekend. 1382371;1453522719;asciilifeform;i might get eaten as a snack on said planet, but it'd be almost worth it 1382372;1453522732;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1382373;1453522733;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/00A35XD.txt ) 1382374;1453522744;mircea_popescu;teh stubborn is strong with this one :D 1382375;1453522830;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, not long ago had a brain-melting mindfuck, browsed maths crud on 'amazon' rec list, and noticed b00k, 'wait a sec, where did i see the author' - turns out, in email box 1382376;1453522838;asciilifeform;(at wurk) 1382377;1453522858;mircea_popescu;this is common neh ? 1382378;1453522864;mircea_popescu;publish or shittish. 1382379;1453522866;asciilifeform;personal first 1382380;1453522906;mircea_popescu;eh, period in my life, i'd go to a party and inexorably leave with a half sack of books. 1382381;1453522914;asciilifeform;interestingly, never happened when i actually was involved in academic racket 1382382;1453522919;mircea_popescu;possibly a contributing factor in my distaste with the damned things. 1382383;1453522939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00055877 = 60.431 BTC [+] {3} 1382384;1453522954;asciilifeform;my father had a world-class library, left it behind, today cannot stand the idea of amassing any such thing 1382385;1453522955;trinque;why is the egyptian man's desire for food, a place to shit, and women to fuck different from mine? and if it isn't, whence this idea that my motivations are manifold (and advanced!), his few? 1382386;1453522959;*;trinque brb 1382387;1453522960;asciilifeform;i suspect that i will go the same 1382388;1453522979;asciilifeform;the b00kz become associated with thing-that-anchors-you, i suspect 1382389;1453523016;mircea_popescu;trinque well, an argument can be brought that yours are a lot more cleaved. like, you know, you can separately desire to lay with the woman as in cuddle, to lay with the woman as in fuck her brains out, to lay with the woman as to impregnate her and so on. whereas poor simple he, just lay with the woman. 1382390;1453523036;mircea_popescu;now, whether a natural tongue or one surgically bifurcated is a change worth the mention... well... i suppose we must leave this up to the inventor. 1382391;1453523059;mircea_popescu;lest the academic has to publish to justify his high station, an' the inventor must invent, hence so many new inventions all the time. 1382392;1453523061;asciilifeform;i'd put the bifurcation as the whole of the man-monkey divide 1382393;1453523074;mircea_popescu;you would. 1382394;1453523084;asciilifeform;sure as hell, monkey has one fuck mode 1382395;1453523091;mircea_popescu;this doesn't explain why young men are so undistinguishable from monkeys. 1382396;1453523102;asciilifeform;not bifurcated far 1382397;1453523111;mircea_popescu;"not along - across!" 1382398;1453523115;asciilifeform;l0lz! 1382399;1453523134;mircea_popescu;anyway. the difference between man and monkey is that man realises it's not actually worth the hassle. 1382400;1453523143;mircea_popescu;ie, contemplation, not invention. 1382401;1453523258;mircea_popescu;or to put it in more familiar terms, you know why the german goes bald arouind the corona, and the romanian arfound the forehead ? 1382402;1453523268;asciilifeform;speaking of 'indistinguishable from monkeys', i observed that approx 1 train car in 5 has a loud, rambling nutter in it 1382403;1453523300;asciilifeform;or at least a black fella singing loudly along to his headphones, without a care 1382404;1453523316;asciilifeform;in a car otherwise full of dour folk making angry eyes 1382405;1453523346;asciilifeform;so why the german goes bald ... ? 1382406;1453523392;mircea_popescu;it's a visual joke. imagine me saying "hmm, i wonder how best to do this" whille scratching the top of my head 1382407;1453523400;asciilifeform;ah! 1382408;1453523402;mircea_popescu;and then "omfg what have i done" slapping forehead 1382409;1453523425;mircea_popescu;contemplation. that's the divide. reflexivity. once the hardware started doing recursion, it split. 1382410;1453523447;mircea_popescu;monkey-human divide cybernetically equivalent to non-recursive / recursive systems. 1382411;1453523448;asciilifeform;aha, as pictured in hofstadter and minsky 1382412;1453523456;mircea_popescu;mebbe ? i dun recall 1382413;1453523464;asciilifeform;(the former wrote a whole mega-l0ltron re: same, 'i am a strange loop') 1382414;1453523497;asciilifeform;and i suppose the egyptians must have known this 1382415;1453523503;asciilifeform;or we'd have a... new idea 1382416;1453523543;mircea_popescu;i'm sure we also have a new language! 1382417;1453523548;mircea_popescu;such novel! 1382418;1453523577;mircea_popescu;this conception of "novelty" is not so dissimilar to creationist's conception of darwinism. "he said my auntie's a dog!" 1382419;1453523611;asciilifeform;i am picturing, one day measured value of plank's constant shifts, mircea_popescu goes back to sleep, says 'this shift was implicit all along, could not otherwise happen.' and will sleep until the very integers get up and walk around. 1382420;1453523623;asciilifeform;this is not curable. 1382421;1453523625;mircea_popescu;catch me doing that first, wouldja ? 1382422;1453523639;mircea_popescu;so far the score's about a trillion to 0 the other way. 1382423;1453523648;asciilifeform;aha, which is why lulzy 1382424;1453523704;mircea_popescu;(actually the only sane model of physical cosmogony i know doth require shifting planck constant, if ever so shyly) 1382425;1453524652;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1382426;1453524655;gribble;Current Blocks: 394567 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 568 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1382427;1453524760;mircea_popescu;(the problem, in the simplest terms, is that for h to be constant energy and spacetime must stay coupled. as such, it's impossible to have an original singularity (aka the big bang) seeing how everything solves neatly for a radius of 0, yielding a pretty field of 0's and a pile of nondetermined constants. conversely : in planck terms, the age of the universe is about 10^61, its radius about 10^61 and its energy about 1 1382428;1453524760;mircea_popescu;0^61, which is one hell of a coincidence that it should allign so right now! (same results can be expressed looking at the schwarzschild radius, too). ) 1382429;1453525512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, re boxchess, ever showed you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIgwkvM9P1g ? 1382430;1453525513;assbot;S02.Ep19.Mat - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0DtAh ) 1382431;1453526144;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382193 << i've yet to meet an electron who thought himself the ceo of the atom in question. 1382432;1453526144;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 02:43:37; asciilifeform: 'electron moves because allah willed so' 1382433;1453526423;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382232 << even the simple step of "add flag to trb to dump mempool into file each time a block is found" would be helpful atm. 1382434;1453526423;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:02:42; polarbeard: feed me :3 1382435;1453526521;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which - de-stupidification of the logging process would be a fucking blessing already. debug.log, srsly ? how about error.log mempool.log connect.log blocks.log for starters ?) 1382436;1453526557;polarbeard;^ agree, also hex logs 1382437;1453526575;mircea_popescu;well, at least sanely tabulated. 1382438;1453526603;mircea_popescu;in any case, then you could start it with -logs=emcb for all 4, or otherwise whatever combo thereof. 1382439;1453526627;mircea_popescu;and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something. 1382440;1453526628;polarbeard;roger 1382441;1453526645;polarbeard;no logrotate love? 1382442;1453526649;mircea_popescu;or that. anything. 1382443;1453526663;mircea_popescu;as it stands right now it's made by sheepherds. 1382444;1453526703;polarbeard;it's a miracle it works 1382445;1453526925;mircea_popescu;ah, and also - fucking timestamps on loglines omfg. 1382446;1453526931;mircea_popescu;who did that! 1382447;1453526954;mircea_popescu;"here's a logline. it's from fuck you o'clock. you're welcome." 1382448;1453526983;ben_vulpes;fuck you o'clock lol 1382449;1453526985;ben_vulpes;didn't phf do something with timestamps? 1382450;1453527000;polarbeard;haha, 'just derive it from block height man' 1382451;1453527031;mircea_popescu;it doesn't even dump that, which would be insane but at least it'd be insane. 1382452;1453527036;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: good idea except that syncing reference implementations to the best of my knowledge don't know the current blockheight 1382453;1453527086;polarbeard; /ironic off :) 1382454;1453527143;polarbeard;I'd be happy with unix_time space hex_message sent_or_received_bit 1382455;1453527144;ben_vulpes;the log history that you're missing is that blockheight is the only non usg-shared time. 1382456;1453527188;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it could always curl deedbot.org for the latest. 1382457;1453527209;ben_vulpes;yes let's compile libcurl into the reference implementation 1382458;1453527214;mircea_popescu;after all... we have fucking json in there for reasons! 1382459;1453527225;ben_vulpes;i'm sure polarbeard can get on that train 1382460;1453527228;ben_vulpes;choo choo! 1382461;1453527237;polarbeard;moar deps 1382462;1453527241;ben_vulpes;#nodeps 1382463;1453527242;mircea_popescu;lol aren't you a bucket fulla sunshine. 1382464;1453527253;ben_vulpes;writing software fills a boy with hate. 1382465;1453527278;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what was the calculation you ran to determine the hashpower necessary to nail a block more or less every 24 hours? 1382466;1453527302;mircea_popescu;#noderps #nodeps #nodes 1382467;1453527320;ben_vulpes;#definitelynofuckinnode 1382468;1453527323;mircea_popescu;that there's 6 blocks an hour and 24 hours in 24 hours ? 1382469;1453527367;ben_vulpes;so one'd need ~ 1/144th of nethash? 1382470;1453527379;mircea_popescu;well, yes, if one's tolerant with the variance 1382471;1453527386;ben_vulpes;sure 1382472;1453527386;mircea_popescu;as you divide, variance divides by less. 1382473;1453527389;ben_vulpes;;;nethash 1382474;1453527390;gribble;892506470.131 1382475;1453527410;polarbeard;blocks per day = (my_share_rate / difficulty ) x 86400 / block_time 1382476;1453527446;mircea_popescu;still, it comes to about 2MW's worth, more or less. 1382477;1453527461;polarbeard;my_share_rate = hash rate / 2^32 1382478;1453527512;mircea_popescu;polarbeard so basically myhash/nethash * 144. 1382479;1453527529;ben_vulpes;someone missed dimensional analysis in school? 1382480;1453527557;polarbeard;yep, but nethash is not exact I think? 1382481;1453527568;mircea_popescu;neither is 144. 1382482;1453527609;ben_vulpes;approximation is a nifty wunderwaffen. 1382483;1453527626;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: schooled me rather hard on a good example around c3 1382484;1453527629;mircea_popescu;i could hear you chuckling from here. 1382485;1453527678;ben_vulpes;nethash is a joke is what it is 1382486;1453527703;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the proper measure for nethash actually is PW or somesuch. 1382487;1453527711;ben_vulpes;petawatts? 1382488;1453527718;mircea_popescu;by the time it gets to 50%+1 all these approximations will be a lot less approximative 1382489;1453527776;mircea_popescu;50 TW, something like that. 1382490;1453527788;mircea_popescu;50 PW* 1382491;1453527807;ben_vulpes;that has a lot of assumptions on mining chip efficiency boss 1382492;1453527827;ben_vulpes;non? 1382493;1453527870;mircea_popescu;nope. stable situation is where nethash is half the power generation. 1382494;1453527882;mircea_popescu;chips irrespective, be they z80s or whatever startrek 1382495;1453527888;ben_vulpes;but now. 1382496;1453527891;ben_vulpes;not then. 1382497;1453527900;mircea_popescu;universally. 1382498;1453527974;mircea_popescu;"Hypothetically, according to Robert Engelman (Worldwatch institute), in order to prevent collapse, human civilization would have to stop increasing emissions within a decade regardless of the economy or population (2009)." 1382499;1453527976;ben_vulpes;when you say that it comes to 2MW's worth. 1382500;1453527981;mircea_popescu;ahh this shit's always such lulzyu lull. 1382501;1453527988;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ah yes, yes. 1382502;1453528002;mircea_popescu;currently we're only burning something to the tune of 30GW 1382503;1453528007;mircea_popescu;which is scandalous, but hey. 1382504;1453528046;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: 21co tried to make energy friendly chips, now they are trying to pawn them on users as "compooter" 1382505;1453528071;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3* 10^10 * 24 * 365 1382506;1453528071;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 1382507;1453528079;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3* 10**10 * 24 * 365 1382508;1453528080;gribble;262800000000000 1382509;1453528119;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption << the esteemed republic is #13, after italy and above most of the world. 1382510;1453528119;assbot;List of countries by electricity consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODTasQ ) 1382511;1453528154;mircea_popescu;it could light up almost 3000 chads. 1382512;1453528218;thestringpuller;always imagined some d00d with access to nuclear power building a reactor on some island and using all the power for mining 1382513;1453528377;ben_vulpes;did anyone ever run the numbers on what it would naively cost to lease the hashpower required to mint a block a day? 1382514;1453528402;ben_vulpes;;;help nethash 1382515;1453528402;gribble;(nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps. 1382516;1453528407;mircea_popescu;maybe 1% of the cost of a block, a day ? 1382517;1453528419;mircea_popescu;of the subsidy of a block* 1382518;1453528470;mircea_popescu;very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day. 1382519;1453528495;mircea_popescu;this is a very neat way to solve an otherwise very thorny economical problem, and it will figure prominently in the future. 1382520;1453528512;mircea_popescu;miners will not only optimize txn to include in blocks per se, but also "whose pool to mine nao at" 1382521;1453528515;ben_vulpes;so what's the lowdown on the various pool payout maths? 1382522;1453528524;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? 1382523;1453528542;ben_vulpes;every time i look into pool payout schemes my eyes glaze over and my fraud alert systems kick in. 1382524;1453528551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35017 @ 0.000556 = 19.4695 BTC [-] {2} 1382525;1453528563;mircea_popescu;there's 3 or 4 principal ways to do it, 2 or 3 of which are very slight variation on the same theme. 1382526;1453528574;mircea_popescu;it's a complex topic but no, they're not fraudulent. 1382527;1453528586;mircea_popescu;arrived at through a lot of experimental as well as theoretical effort. 1382528;1453528601;ben_vulpes;has anyone written this up anywhere? 1382529;1453528608;mircea_popescu;well... miners. 1382530;1453528612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81283 @ 0.00055562 = 45.1625 BTC [-] {3} 1382531;1453528618;mircea_popescu;worth your time to research it for your own sharpening, it's all pretty clever. 1382532;1453528626;ben_vulpes;myeah 1382533;1453528636;ben_vulpes;perhaps i'll do that while i install os x on this laptop for the umpteenth time 1382534;1453528641;ben_vulpes;fucking operating systems 1382535;1453528647;mircea_popescu;should take about a week. 1382536;1453528659;mircea_popescu;depends how hard you push the "but why!" pedal. 1382537;1453528661;mircea_popescu;lotta history. 1382538;1453528796;ben_vulpes;man imma have to learn chinese at this rate 1382539;1453528806;ben_vulpes;ideograms, man. 1382540;1453528917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00055963 = 19.5871 BTC [+] {2} 1382541;1453529211;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org 1382542;1453529855;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5R9SZM2jaE 1382543;1453529856;assbot;Ukrainian Armor (The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODX1WS ) 1382544;1453530165;ben_vulpes;mats: badass 1382545;1453530187;ben_vulpes;tis the age of the cmos 1382546;1453530411;mats;the autoloader is cool 1382547;1453530423;mats;for some reason the abrams doesn't have it 1382548;1453538410;punkman;bon dia 1382549;1453538414;punkman;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/a1/38/23a138d0e5eeb772813bb196e4c5f31c.jpg 1382550;1453538415;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoZ98p ) 1382551;1453538437;punkman;^ dirigible 1382552;1453539158;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382541 especially the earlier history, yes. possibly a good place to start: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118;sa=showPosts;start=6160 1382553;1453539158;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org 1382554;1453539159;assbot;Latest posts of: organofcorti ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pp0g8b ) 1382555;1453539250;punkman;;;diffchange 1382556;1453539252;gribble;Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 10.264 % based on data for last three days 1382557;1453539315;punkman;https://megabigpower.com/buybackinfo 1382558;1453539316;assbot;MegaBigPower :: Info ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKOWNY ) 1382559;1453539358;punkman;"pleased to announce our ASIC BuyBack Program" 1382560;1453539432;punkman;https://hedgy.co/mining.html "Buy Bitcoin Direct from MegaBigPower at a Discount on a Future Date. Auctions Occur Once Per Month." 1382561;1453539553;punkman;"It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As, 1382562;1453539553;punkman;once the next price run up begins, there will be a frantic scrabble to re-power all the mothballed rigs lying around." 1382563;1453539618;punkman;from http://blockchainstuff.eu/thoughts-on-the-current-state-of-bitcoin-mining/ 1382564;1453539619;assbot;Thoughts on the current state of Bitcoin mining | Blockchain Stuff ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKP93J ) 1382565;1453539677;punkman;"Bitfury recently announced their 28nm, 0.2 J/Gh offering (with some impressive efficiencies claimed) but have declined to inform us when they will be available, either-ways they do not sell to the public anymore. They also alluded to a 16nm chip with efficiencies as low as 0.02 due out later this year." 1382566;1453539689;punkman;"KNC are in a similar holding pattern, awaiting production of their 16nm ‘Solar’ chip, with astonishing claims of 0.07 J/Gh,  They no longer sell to the public either." 1382567;1453539784;kakobrekla;they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold 1382568;1453539784;punkman;oooh just noticed "March 2015" 1382569;1453539914;kakobrekla;basically folks have been used as sort of catalyst for the reaction of them getting 16nm or so and are now no longer needed 1382570;1453539989;punkman;hmm 1382571;1453540141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00055964 = 28.4017 BTC [+] 1382572;1453540243;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382516 << perhaps i am up too late, but i cannot make heads nor tails of this 1382573;1453540243;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 05:53:27; mircea_popescu: maybe 1% of the cost of a block, a day ? 1382574;1453540489;punkman;ben_vulpes: 1% extra 1382575;1453540686;punkman;https://github.com/nothings/stb/blob/master/docs/other_libs.md "single-file public-domain/open source C libraries with minimal dependencies" 1382576;1453540687;assbot;stb/other_libs.md at master · nothings/stb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pp2TXI ) 1382577;1453540812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00055964 = 20.5388 BTC [+] 1382578;1453541086;ben_vulpes;ah? 1382579;1453541967;BingoBoingo;http://tweetnacl.cr.yp.to/software.html 1382580;1453546485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00055964 = 29.6609 BTC [+] 1382581;1453548132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00056057 = 28.8694 BTC [+] {3} 1382582;1453550436;shinohai;Height 394621 \o/ 1382583;1453550467;*;shinohai pops cork on muscadine wine even though it is 7 a.m. 1382584;1453553012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00055961 = 17.236 BTC [-] 1382585;1453555898;Azelphur;;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives. 1382586;1453555899;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. 1382587;1453555975;Azelphur;;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives. 1382588;1453555977;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded. 1382589;1453555981;*;Azelphur sighs 1382590;1453556306;Azelphur;Was really unsure whether to place that one (badmouthing former employer and all) but figured he'll probably look here for someone to replace me, and other people might not be so financially secure as I am. 1382591;1453556608;punkman;told me he needed some contract work 3 months ago, but didn't follow through 1382592;1453556669;punkman;;;seen RagnarDanneskjol 1382593;1453556671;gribble;RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42 1382594;1453556703;Azelphur;punkman, yea for me I did the work, he just keeps saying he will pay and continues to delay / make excuses 1382595;1453556756;Azelphur;he said he; 1382596;1453556809;Azelphur;whoops, he said he'd pay me an installment of 1000ish on Monday, then said it was a bank holiday and that he would send it out Tuesday, ignored me till yesterday where he claimed he had sent it out, but honestly he has said it's sent so many times and it didn't arrive I don't trust it any more 1382597;1453556896;punkman;yeah that's not very good 1382598;1453556904;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382541 << yea, actually, the one thing bitcointalk is a source for is miner stuff. they never got any other venue , well noit publicly anyway 1382599;1453556904;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 06:06:51; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and i'm going to guess most of this history is on bitcointalk.org 1382600;1453556928;Azelphur;Indeed it's not, had no money over christmas. His misinformation has cost me money too 1382601;1453556997;mircea_popescu;o.O 1382602;1453557002;mircea_popescu;that didn't work out so well did it 1382603;1453557008;Azelphur;apparently not, no 1382604;1453557020;Azelphur;was great up until the whole not paying me thing 1382605;1453557038;punkman;you were working with him for a while though, right? 1382606;1453557051;Azelphur;punkman, yea, I started with him last October iirc 1382607;1453557082;Azelphur;ie, October 2014 1382608;1453557087;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-december-2015-statement/#comment-116281 << anything to this ? 1382609;1453557088;assbot;BitBet (S.BBET) December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ppwpwi ) 1382610;1453557179;punkman;mircea_popescu: yeah I get a new cert on bitbet, issued 2016/01/21 1382611;1453557185;mircea_popescu;ah kk. 1382612;1453557195;mircea_popescu;thing ended up in spam, possibly because of the link 1382613;1453557271;Azelphur;but yea, officially looking for new work now. Hopefully it's a good move and I'll get paid a little more (and at all :P) 1382614;1453557642;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382551 << ahaha no that's a balloon. dirigible is oval not buttshaped. 1382615;1453557642;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 08:40:37; punkman: ^ dirigible 1382616;1453557665;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382554 << he also had a blog which was pretty good. 1382617;1453557665;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 08:52:39; assbot: Latest posts of: organofcorti ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pp0g8b ) 1382618;1453557678;mircea_popescu;iirc the dude hated me for some reason. 1382619;1453557771;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382567 << well, actually, they sold back when they had to take the poisoned dollars of the masses, a few bucks at a time. once they n olonger need that, they don't. who eats garbage if they can help it. 1382620;1453557771;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 09:03:04; kakobrekla: they sold until it was garbage, now that further decreasement in process size are hardly possible, they hold 1382621;1453557815;mircea_popescu;Azelphur notsure why you're not using the assbot wot anyway. 1382622;1453557849;Azelphur;mircea_popescu, haven't been around much recently so haven't familiarised myself with it 1382623;1453557855;mircea_popescu;ah 1382624;1453557903;mircea_popescu;anyway, there was a bank holiday on monday. in the us. some black speechmaker dude 1382625;1453557975;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382242 << tell a bit about the concentrated thing 1382626;1453557975;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 03:32:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382094 << you deeply misunderstand what "investor grade" means in this context. the point is that he is RARE. you understand this ? the fundamental property of capital control in any functioning society without exception possible is that it must be concentrated. 1382627;1453557981;Azelphur;mircea_popescu, yea I know, dude is very good at excuses, as I say it has been 3 months, and even if he has sent a bank transfer it's still only for a small percentage of total owed 1382628;1453557989;asciilifeform;is it the '1024 chickens' idea ? 1382629;1453558012;mircea_popescu;nope. it's the "brain resides in skullbox not spread out throughout cells like mitochondria". 1382630;1453558020;asciilifeform;same thing, no ? 1382631;1453558034;mircea_popescu;i guess it can be viewed so, yeah. ok. 1382632;1453558045;asciilifeform;i'm trying to grasp how it isn't an argument for gosplan tho 1382633;1453558050;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that both ox and chickens are separate from the thing they pull. 1382634;1453558061;mircea_popescu;ah, this IS an argument for gosplan. the only one. 1382635;1453558065;Azelphur;if it was just missed payment by a few days I'd be cool with it, heck I was fine with it up until about 2 weeks late, stopped working when it was a month late, and public -10 has only happened after 3 months late 1382636;1453558071;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the argument against gosplan is that "fuck you". 1382637;1453558080;mircea_popescu;while you personally may not be inclined, i am, and without me it dies. 1382638;1453558088;mircea_popescu;Azelphur i c. 1382639;1453558131;Azelphur;started to get really annoyed when I had the choice of taking money out of my cold wallet or taking a loan from my parents to make rent over christmas - not cool :/ 1382640;1453558144;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu doesn't have an argument against gosplan ?! other than not liking the colour & shape on purely aesthetic grounds? 1382641;1453558169;mircea_popescu;the argument against gosplan is exactly the argument against "hi guise i am ceo". 1382642;1453558175;mircea_popescu;"who the fuck are you ?" 1382643;1453558179;Azelphur;I feel bad -10ing him though, I like to work things out with people and it just sucks that he's not meeting his obligations or even being reasonable really 1382644;1453558210;mircea_popescu;which is why all the red square nuclear bomb displays and etc. obligate pompousness. 1382645;1453558212;asciilifeform;lucky we are that 'hi guise im ceo' has no army and no navy. 1382646;1453558213;mircea_popescu;it's a forced mistake. 1382647;1453558220;mircea_popescu;quite. 1382648;1453558233;asciilifeform;(except when he does, e.g., obamitler) 1382649;1453558235;mircea_popescu;problem being, they don't actually help, just serve to alienate me further. 1382650;1453558274;asciilifeform;only because the beast is immunocompromised 1382651;1453558283;mircea_popescu;mno. 1382652;1453558296;mircea_popescu;i am immune to it, it depends on me. this creates a certain situation of power in the field. 1382653;1453558326;asciilifeform;depends how ? 1382654;1453558329;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the expression of the castrated subhumans that nevertheless are intelligent enough to notice the problem, this is usually called the "knowledge problem", ie poor state can't acquire and process enough information to make a reasonable gosplan. 1382655;1453558354;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, this is a flattering if incorrect representation. like saying "unfortunately whale did not have enough evolution mojo to grow wings". yeasure. 1382656;1453558394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no idea how to formulate this better than to refer you to the (oft mentioned, by me) worms dispute. 1382657;1453558404;mircea_popescu;king can not invest by staff. he doesn't have a staff to give. 1382658;1453558703;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: modern usg is going for 'eastern despot' caesaropapism. 1382659;1453558726;mircea_popescu;which is why they keep inventing academic honors for the emperor. they work admirably, don't they. 1382660;1453558740;asciilifeform;hey it worked for the 5000yr egyptianreich! 1382661;1453558744;mircea_popescu;not so. 1382662;1453558766;mircea_popescu;your idea that "5000 yr egyptianreich" is not unlike a 1900s victorian idea that "5000 yr chinareich". wut ? 1382663;1453558779;mircea_popescu;they had more dynasties than americans had sexual partners. 1382664;1453558779;asciilifeform;point^ 1382665;1453558906;mircea_popescu;ironically, the people who could be caesar ie emperor and pontifex max uniformly do not wish to be, so much so it's almost a heuristic. 1382666;1453558937;mircea_popescu;and they do not wish to be not because they somehow give a shit about brutus and brutish jealousies. 1382667;1453558973;mircea_popescu;but, at this juncture, augustus' memoirs are recomended re-read. might explain the vecchio rotinculo much closer than before. 1382668;1453559088;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382542 << ukrs are apparently really good at shooting into 1) air 2) earth 3) defenceless farm houses. who'dhaveknown. 1382669;1453559088;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 06:17:35; mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5R9SZM2jaE 1382670;1453559104;asciilifeform;spiffy firewurx. 1382671;1453559138;asciilifeform;and wake me up when they ~make~ a tank. 1382672;1453559158;mircea_popescu;aww why the haet! 1382673;1453559170;mircea_popescu;dja know that the AVERAGE ammo expenditure per enemy killed is in the 2mn range by now ? 1382674;1453559192;mircea_popescu;people keep mocking hollywood marksmanship. mostly because they've never been in a warzone. 1382675;1453559217;asciilifeform;well also because did not go to kindergarten, never learned concept of suppressive fire 1382676;1453559306;mircea_popescu;seeing how it's about 2kj per bullet, we find that each enemy combatant takes ~1MWh in bullets only! 1382677;1453559354;mircea_popescu;and that's on the modest 39mm. pretty much a thing of the past, everyone doing 51 now amirite. so 2x that. 1382678;1453559443;*;asciilifeform was very very confused until realized that mircea_popescu is counting the ~length~ of the shell ! 1382679;1453559464;mircea_popescu;well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one. 1382680;1453559516;asciilifeform;today as in '70s the man-portable small arms fire the 'intermediate' things and the squad guns - the 1890s longer one. 1382681;1453559600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101766 @ 0.00055833 = 56.819 BTC [-] {3} 1382682;1453559639;mircea_popescu;well, depends. the large nato round is really like the hunting .308 1382683;1453559687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://s242.photobucket.com/user/Akalvarez_2007/media/PANA0003.jpg.html << sov-new (ak74), nato-new (m16), sov-old (ak47), nato-old-fullsize, sov-old-fullsize (mosin, and all ru squad guns, 1890s round) 1382684;1453559689;assbot;Ammo Side By Side Photo by Akalvarez_2007 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwjWQb ) 1382685;1453559758;mircea_popescu;aha 1382686;1453559765;asciilifeform;notice the very archaic flanged shell and rimmed bottom on the last 1382687;1453559778;mircea_popescu;yeah lol. 1382688;1453559783;mircea_popescu;century old bullet! 1382689;1453559788;asciilifeform;oldest rifle cartridge still in mass use. 1382690;1453559816;asciilifeform;more than century. 1382691;1453559854;*;asciilifeform played with a bag of empty shells of those, as a boy 1382692;1453560219;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382439 << i thought we had this ? 1382693;1453560219;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 05:23:47; mircea_popescu: and for the love of christ implement either rolling or else a maxsize for files or something. 1382694;1453560262;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382433 << all i really want presently is to dump mempool. and to have some means of removing ANYTHING whatsoever from it. because if we had this, we COULD semispace-garbagecollect. 1382695;1453560262;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 05:20:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382232 << even the simple step of "add flag to trb to dump mempool into file each time a block is found" would be helpful atm. 1382696;1453560299;asciilifeform;(add what belongs in the pool to a new pool, then nuke what remains. also defrags...) 1382697;1453560304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let the guy do something useful wouldja. step at a time. 1382698;1453560319;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382456 << ick 1382699;1453560319;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 05:33:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it could always curl deedbot.org for the latest. 1382700;1453560334;mircea_popescu;and drink humour vitamins! 1382701;1453560339;asciilifeform;l0lzamins 1382702;1453560372;mircea_popescu;very fucking hard making jokes about bitcoin codebase, seeing the state it's in. 1382703;1453560392;asciilifeform;'who has been in the army, does not laugh in the circus' (tm) (r) (su) 1382704;1453560407;mircea_popescu;like fucking pagliacci over here, just turns to sad. 1382705;1453560412;mircea_popescu;ahahaha quite. 1382706;1453560445;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382549 << this looks disturbingly like BingoBoingo's material 1382707;1453560445;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 08:40:14; punkman: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/23/a1/38/23a138d0e5eeb772813bb196e4c5f31c.jpg 1382708;1453560500;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382561 << this seems like a deviously clever notion until you recall that most of the asic miners were - quite likely deliberately - not built to last 1382709;1453560500;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 08:59:13; punkman: "It has been quite a while since any new hardware became available, it is reasonable to assume that most small miners will have recouped the majority of what they initially outlaid for the hardware, and are now disinclined to continue ‘supporting the network’, whilst incurring unnecessary cost. So: MegaBigPowers ‘land-grab’, to acquire all this idle hashing power seems like a smart move. As, 1382710;1453560528;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/06e1a4f30719f22ffe8bd2f8abe73b1b/tumblr_nd32f8rOuT1rqs8dwo1_1280.jpg << in other news, never trust a man with a garage. 1382711;1453560529;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwkTrB ) 1382712;1453560544;asciilifeform;(they never got the wear circuits to behave plausibly like a real-life bathtub curve, either. so the things would routinely ship with varying number of working hash cores, etc) 1382713;1453560575;mircea_popescu;iirc the overall "delivered asic, all cores working" was in the <5% zone. 1382714;1453560588;asciilifeform;aha. 1382715;1453560620;asciilifeform;i've always wanted to do a bit of microscopy on those, see if there was a set of magicks for re-enabling the 'accidented' cores 1382716;1453560641;kakobrekla;deliberately? imo overlyconfident. 1382717;1453560662;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the whole racket stood on a solid column of chump, and was designed around such 1382718;1453560696;mircea_popescu;more or less. really, esp early on, it was just blindly flailing. 1382719;1453560699;kakobrekla;they didnt have the time to make anything past "this will prolly work" 1382720;1453560718;mircea_popescu;easy to reinterpret what memory salvaged of the midden of history, but if you were there and saw the missing 95% from that story... 1382721;1453560733;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if this were so, there would have been many asic co. sunk by a taped out dud 1382722;1453560737;asciilifeform;afaik there were none. 1382723;1453560739;mircea_popescu;and so there were. 1382724;1453560750;mircea_popescu;ahahaha don't kid, you make my heart jump so. 1382725;1453560752;asciilifeform;but i - obviously - wasn't there. 1382726;1453560765;asciilifeform;nor wanted to be. 1382727;1453560783;mircea_popescu;of the people who scammed their "investors, at least half, to two thirds, were scammed in turn, by their "providers". 1382728;1453560792;kakobrekla;i did say probably, not possibly. 1382729;1453560800;asciilifeform;yes but any public intel suggesting a taped-out total dud ? 1382730;1453560804;asciilifeform;or just 'took the money & ran' 1382731;1453560828;mircea_popescu;asicminer had a fully blown up run. so did bfl, twice iirc. 1382732;1453560829;mircea_popescu;so did many others. 1382733;1453560839;mircea_popescu;there were, up until early 2013 or so, more dead runs than live. 1382734;1453560856;asciilifeform;i am specificially thinking of ~ic~ rather than ~board~ 1382735;1453560862;asciilifeform;i remember very well the smoking ~boards~ 1382736;1453560868;mircea_popescu;pre-packaged chips. 1382737;1453560890;kakobrekla;afaik there were 'duds' i dont recall specifics from top of the head 1382738;1453560903;asciilifeform;then yes. 1382739;1453560927;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382579 << this is a mega-l0l, worth reading! turns out, one day they decided to play 'obfuscated c contest' at ft meade 1382740;1453560927;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 09:39:27; BingoBoingo: http://tweetnacl.cr.yp.to/software.html 1382741;1453560928;mircea_popescu;actually a proper history of early mining would be a most respectable endeavour for a serious, diligent historian at this point. 1382742;1453560940;asciilifeform;(srsly who the FUCK uses 'salsa' etc) 1382743;1453560944;mircea_popescu;of course they're busy fucking around doing nothing much. but hey, gosplan! 1382744;1453561306;punkman;I'd like to contribute more debug-related patches, could maybe split the gui-snip stuff from debug_sanity patch, and start over. 1382745;1453561347;punkman;does asciilifeform like anything from djb? 1382746;1453561552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00056063 = 38.6554 BTC [+] {2} 1382747;1453561914;punkman;https://github.com/SergiusTheBest/plog interesting logging library, less than 1kloc, includes simple log rotation 1382748;1453561916;assbot;GitHub - SergiusTheBest/plog: Portable and simple C++ logging library ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwmNbS ) 1382749;1453563146;asciilifeform;punkman: quite a few things 1382750;1453563281;mircea_popescu;punkman start over, how you mean ? 1382751;1453563312;asciilifeform;punkman: i'm a fan of the man's cryptoanalytic work. but the sv-popularity of his cipher primitives is concerning 1382752;1453563348;asciilifeform;problem is that one doesn't get to 'make a name' in academe as 'cryptographer' by pushing rsa. 1382753;1453563367;asciilifeform;just like you don't become a famous small arms designer by refining the kalash 1382754;1453563377;asciilifeform;even if ~that would be the Right Thing~ 1382755;1453563399;asciilifeform;so he's stuck with the ecc gargle. 1382756;1453563430;asciilifeform;and with devising block ciphers, which is very easy to 'do' 1382757;1453563486;asciilifeform;!s from:mircea_popescu originality 1382758;1453563486;assbot;6 results for 'from:mircea_popescu originality' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+originality 1382759;1453563488;asciilifeform;^see also 1382760;1453563541;mircea_popescu;djb = bernstein ? 1382761;1453563547;asciilifeform;right 1382762;1453563596;mircea_popescu;guy's brilliant, hard to argue with that. but yes, seems he's being slowly ground to paste by "teh system" 1382763;1453563642;asciilifeform;one way to look at it is that he isn't much more of a 'free man' than, e.g., i am 1382764;1453563647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually may want to write him a letter, iirc he was also all about fits in head but arrived there on slightly different path 1382765;1453563661;asciilifeform;in that he has to work on certain flavours of shit icecream, in order to eat 1382766;1453563699;mircea_popescu;didn't he end up basically rewriting sendmail because sendmail sucked ? 1382767;1453563703;asciilifeform;aha 1382768;1453563738;punkman;mircea_popescu: start over, meaning make a new debug_sanity patch with more improvements (and without the gui snipping parts bundled together) 1382769;1453563787;mircea_popescu;this with a view to better semantics, or with a view to reinstate gui ? 1382770;1453563824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my original thumbs-down for his patch was on account of bundling multiple-unlikes 1382771;1453563838;mircea_popescu;it does carry water. 1382772;1453563840;asciilifeform;the vestigial wx crapolade needs to go 1382773;1453563843;asciilifeform;but ~in own patch~ 1382774;1453563851;asciilifeform;this makes it considerably easier to evaluate every path 1382775;1453563854;asciilifeform;*patch 1382776;1453563857;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1382777;1453563858;punkman;both gui-snip and debug-sanity are gonna touch a lot of files though, and I would prefer to do this once 1382778;1453563862;asciilifeform;'does this do X and ONLY X' 1382779;1453563875;asciilifeform;punkman: this is very much the wrong idea 1382780;1453563888;asciilifeform;we aren't trying to minimize patch-line-counts AS SUCH 1382781;1453563890;mircea_popescu;punkman certainly a worthy attempt, even if mod6 prolly won't be able to put it in current release. 1382782;1453563919;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, but not what he said. 1382783;1453563933;mircea_popescu;what i took it to mean was that if he's gonna load his head with shit, would rather do two things than one and reload 1382784;1453563953;asciilifeform;ok to make the two patches in one sitting 1382785;1453563956;asciilifeform;but they gotta be separate. 1382786;1453563973;mircea_popescu;that small logger thing actually looks pretty good 1382787;1453563979;mircea_popescu;to my documentedly noobish eye. 1382788;1453563988;punkman;can do the gui-snip thing first, work is already done 1382789;1453564007;mircea_popescu;incidentally, why the fuck does bitcoin have json support ? do we actually want this ? 1382790;1453564020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is still there because that is how the rpc thing works 1382791;1453564035;mircea_popescu;yes but fuck that, we have a protocol that then imports json ? 1382792;1453564040;punkman;need to have a format for api output anyway right? 1382793;1453564046;asciilifeform;i very dearly wanted to rip it out, but then all the robotics folks are presently 'come to expect' will have to be scrapped. 1382794;1453564052;mircea_popescu;this strikes me as the same fundamental insanity of "we'll replace bdb with leveldb in the sense that WE KEEP BOTH!!1". 1382795;1453564060;asciilifeform;if you recall, i wanted to replace it with unix signals. 1382796;1453564077;asciilifeform;or at the worst, a simple telnet-type protocol 1382797;1453564077;mircea_popescu;i do but i don't recall why i wasn't so hot about that. 1382798;1453564081;asciilifeform;because it sux 1382799;1453564094;asciilifeform;but unix doesn't give us a rpc-thing that doesn't suck 1382800;1453564097;mircea_popescu;yes because it sucks lol. if you're happy with that much. 1382801;1453564105;punkman;standard format would be nicer than new invention 1382802;1453564129;mircea_popescu;punkman only if "standard format" doesn't expand at pre-compile time into "here's a debalanced tree of 547657698 "standards"" 1382803;1453564134;asciilifeform;punkman: when the standard does not fit-in-head and yields 200kB of heathen code - it can go die 1382804;1453564142;mircea_popescu;it is ipso definitio not a standard. 1382805;1453564145;punkman;there are some tiny json libraries 1382806;1453564145;mircea_popescu;just a glorified mess. 1382807;1453564153;mircea_popescu;the implementation is not the standard. 1382808;1453564157;asciilifeform;punkman: any written by wot men? 1382809;1453564172;punkman;no 1382810;1453564173;mircea_popescu;even before wot issue considered : there's two branches to corectness. 1382811;1453564185;mircea_popescu;one is code, the other standard. it helps me nothing that you've made one small if this makes the other huge. 1382812;1453564222;asciilifeform;sorta what i meant in earlier thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2016#1380326 1382813;1453564222;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 22:16:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380266 << yes! and you can almost ~define~ 'sane system' this way. with the caveat that it can't be a non-orthogonal fudge like a program consisting of one line 'start_bitcoind()' nor anything in that spirit. ORTHOGONAL operators. 1382814;1453564234;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1382815;1453564243;asciilifeform;~genuine~ reduction in complexity specifically excludes shenanigans where it is 'swept under the rug' and hidden somewhere else 1382816;1453564450;punkman;well, something for the foundation to decide, whether json is to be kept or replaced with something else 1382817;1453564497;asciilifeform;it is intrinsically retarded 1382818;1453564503;asciilifeform;and the logical replacement is sexpr. 1382819;1453564516;asciilifeform;which is 'standard' that fits in ONE MOTHERFUCKING PARAGRAPH 1382820;1453564533;asciilifeform;and correctly implementable by a stray dog 1382821;1453564541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88000 @ 0.00056176 = 49.4349 BTC [+] {5} 1382822;1453564572;punkman;so if I talk to to bitcoind with python I get sexpr in ascii or otherwise? 1382823;1453564580;asciilifeform;in ascii. 1382824;1453564628;asciilifeform;json is really sexpr but was dropped as a baby 1382825;1453564672;asciilifeform;all sv garbage is of this general flavour, incidentally 1382826;1453564690;punkman;could have both and break compatibility later 1382827;1453564706;asciilifeform;i.e. something built by the hands of ACTUAL people, that WORKED, but taken by jolt-cola-drinking jwz types and 'hacked!111 1333773d' into... what we have 1382828;1453564802;asciilifeform;anyway i did not touch the json thing for the same reason i did not touch the whitespace formatting 1382829;1453564820;asciilifeform;... because it does not solve any of the dire problems of the era 1382830;1453564829;asciilifeform;'deck chairs on titanic' 1382831;1453564935;punkman;what is there to do on titanic other than abandon ship? 1382832;1453564965;asciilifeform;the correct model is that there are no other ships. 1382833;1453564974;asciilifeform;and the ocean is made of boiling oil. 1382834;1453565012;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382747 << ftr i do not like this one bit. WHY ADD 1000 LINES OF ???? 1382835;1453565012;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 15:11:54; punkman: https://github.com/SergiusTheBest/plog interesting logging library, less than 1kloc, includes simple log rotation 1382836;1453565045;asciilifeform;this is how we got prb. 1382837;1453565053;asciilifeform;'let's add this useful!11111 pheature' 1382838;1453565177;punkman;and if prb had sane logging we wouldn't be having this discussion 1382839;1453565223;asciilifeform;mno. 1382840;1453565286;asciilifeform;it is bad enough that trb has 500 man-year of study baked into it. let's now add a 501st ? 1382841;1453565290;asciilifeform;fuck that. 1382842;1453565352;asciilifeform;ergo replacing, e.g., openssl, with a 1000 line thing THAT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD, is a worthy thing 1382843;1453565368;asciilifeform;adding an ~additional~ turd to the ball of shit, is not. 1382844;1453565423;asciilifeform;removing boost would be a worthy thing. BUT NOT if it multiplies the line count 2x, OR if it entails forcing gcc5 build 1382845;1453565433;asciilifeform;(as discussed in the c++11 thread) 1382846;1453565488;asciilifeform;~likewise~ any change that increases substantially the number of lines written by non-wot folks, is ipso facto a loss. 1382847;1453565516;asciilifeform;i thought all of this was elementarily obvious. 1382848;1453565553;asciilifeform;with that in mind, YES, the logs need timestamps, or better still, an adjustable format, verbosity levels, etc. 1382849;1453565559;asciilifeform;BUT NOT by adding some derp's 'log library' 1382850;1453565619;asciilifeform;'let's add the library' is, in mircea_popescu's well-chosen wordz, 'the hole through which the night slides in' 1382851;1453565687;punkman;I didn't even dare suggest adding it of course! 1382852;1453566066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135000 @ 0.00056336 = 76.0536 BTC [+] 1382853;1453566555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47450 @ 0.00056336 = 26.7314 BTC [+] 1382854;1453568225;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381103 << seems like everybody who doesn't lurk in #crypto-crackpots missed the joke 1382855;1453568225;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 16:17:47; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376728 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376731 << Later I realized why I missed the isomer joke: L is isomer of D, R is isomer of S, not quite interchangeable 1382856;1453571179;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382818 << i think this is so. 1382857;1453571179;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 15:55:03; asciilifeform: and the logical replacement is sexpr. 1382858;1453571211;mircea_popescu;heh im bashing that baby stuff. alf huffed the right paint this morning :D 1382859;1453571274;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! does 99.39.110.89 (99-39-110-89.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) belong to one of ye lot ? 1382860;1453571372;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382830 << not so. the first step of work is cleaning out the workspace. it is the work of truly inept management to impede on this "because it does not directly contribute to productivity" 1382861;1453571372;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 16:00:29; asciilifeform: 'deck chairs on titanic' 1382862;1453571531;mircea_popescu;re BingoBoingo 's https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy. 1382863;1453571533;assbot;Ruston's Guide to Spotting and Avoiding Fatfishing | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qre8hh ) 1382864;1453571634;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382843 << in italian accent "Did you ever think about what you're going to do on the toilet? (yelling) What are you going to do on the toilet!" 1382865;1453571634;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 16:09:28; asciilifeform: adding an ~additional~ turd to the ball of shit, is not. 1382866;1453571669;asciilifeform;l0l! is this a ref to something? 1382867;1453571675;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2A9vRjwfQY << with interpretation. 1382868;1453571676;assbot;Seinfeld - Edward Scissorhands BEST SCENE EVER - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PurcNu ) 1382869;1453571784;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's one thing to add "a library". it's another to "import this 1k lines that i read myself". 1382870;1453571852;asciilifeform;if gonna add 1k lines, make it... tinyscheme-89 1382871;1453571875;asciilifeform;implement tx debugger, sane logger instrumentation, and 101 other things, IN IT 1382872;1453571891;mircea_popescu;now tinyscheme may be a good import 1382873;1453571906;asciilifeform;so perhaps i can now admit to having this quietly on my hdd. 1382874;1453571913;mircea_popescu;but conceptually, in my head at least, more of a "bitcoind migrates into bitcoinos" thing 1382875;1453571925;asciilifeform;aha. slowly cut off chunks & replace with it. 1382876;1453571951;asciilifeform;until the whole thing, one fine day, starts just fine in a mildly massaged sbcl 1382877;1453571958;asciilifeform;and nobody even notices the cpp is gone. 1382878;1453572005;mircea_popescu;anyway, as a general point : even if you did compute a fastest route, and even if in fact you are correct (which is fundamentally an undecidable problem), there is still no reason to panic if phenomena goes a slightly more circuitous path. there are at least two good reasons, both political. one's education (ie, benefit of the ingroup), the other ... well let's just say the other's for the benefit of the outgroup. 1382879;1453572037;polarbeard;s/jsonrpc/ipc socket/g 1382880;1453572051;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: sbcl? 1382881;1453572053;mircea_popescu;holy shit why does that substitution need recursion. 1382882;1453572084;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: http://sbcl.org 1382883;1453572085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QreCnu ) 1382884;1453572111;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: my personal favourite readily-available lisp runtime 1382885;1453572114;polarbeard;and plug-in whatever you like 1382886;1453572205;thestringpuller;i barely "know" C, how am I ever gonna learn LISP?!?!? 1382887;1453572219;thestringpuller;LISP is like the masters saw. 1382888;1453572231;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: will have to spend a weekend, possibly risk opening a book 1382889;1453572349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123300 @ 0.00056234 = 69.3365 BTC [-] 1382890;1453572412;thestringpuller;"When you handle the master carpenter's tools, chances are that you'll cut your hand." 1382891;1453572436;thestringpuller;I want to be competent/sane before attempting to pick up master carpenter's tools. 1382892;1453572592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i now envision your toilet-of-the-future as looking rather like a cray-II. 1382893;1453572606;mircea_popescu;lol! 1382894;1453572616;mircea_popescu;for the record, no girl liked the idea. 1382895;1453572620;asciilifeform;cray 1 rather 1382896;1453572622;asciilifeform;oh? why not 1382897;1453572644;mircea_popescu;"would this be a punishment toilet ? for like the dungeon ?" "do you think the jacuzzi is a punishment pool ?" "ewww!" 1382898;1453572650;mircea_popescu;now doesn't want to go into jacuzzi. 1382899;1453572707;asciilifeform;l0l! 1382900;1453572710;asciilifeform;http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/crays/cray1/portrait/DSC08196.JPG << for reference 1382901;1453572712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PusacC ) 1382902;1453572745;mircea_popescu;anyway, my idea was originalyl that it's a collaborative tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest they fall in. 1382903;1453572762;mircea_popescu;but i suspect this heavy... butted aesop is a little too hamfisted for the actual butts in question. 1382904;1453572772;asciilifeform;oh huh 1382905;1453572777;asciilifeform;with no backs, interesting. 1382906;1453572784;asciilifeform;i really pictured more of a cray. 1382907;1453572799;asciilifeform;(vs gigantic ivan iv - style cauldron) 1382908;1453572807;mircea_popescu;http://static.dudeiwantthat.com//img/household/bathroom/jacuzzi-entertainment-system-5501.jpg << in other news, the new york apartment of the future. 1382909;1453572808;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuslVi ) 1382910;1453572817;thestringpuller;https://mattnt.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cray.png << this one? 1382911;1453572835;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: yes. see also earlier link. 1382912;1453572949;mircea_popescu;dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11 1382913;1453572950;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1382914;1453572987;mircea_popescu;"this bag is as heavy as that car. we don't know whether that car is just a cardboard cutout or what, but hey, provedly heavy bag! !1" 1382915;1453572998;asciilifeform;don't expect ~sane~ crypto out of the leprosorium 1382916;1453573009;asciilifeform;this is elementary. 1382917;1453573031;asciilifeform;see also the ecc claptrap 1382918;1453573045;asciilifeform;(as secure as 8x the bits of rsa!1111111) 1382919;1453573045;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, as a bright mathematical mind pointed out once, "at some point the effort invested in stating rsa is 'widely researched' exceeds the effort ever expended into researching it" 1382920;1453573053;asciilifeform;^ 1382921;1453573081;mircea_popescu;it's one thing when five people who spend most of their time doing things gather in bohr's outhouse and agree "x is prolly hard". 1382922;1453573087;mircea_popescu;it's another... eh, anyway. what am i doing. 1382923;1453573118;asciilifeform;funnily enough, we did a walkover of the shmoo talks, incl. the crackpot algebraiceraser crypto thing, at the slave galley 1382924;1453573150;asciilifeform;and even there folks chortled when i asked 'notice no mention of complexity class proof or even assumption' 1382925;1453573227;mircea_popescu;the one thing i wonder, asciilifeform , is why do we always talk in strawmen. 1382926;1453573246;asciilifeform;hm? 1382927;1453573266;mircea_popescu;remember new guy, got overwhelmed a few days back. 1382928;1453573285;asciilifeform;which? 1382929;1453573296;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2016#1381179 1382930;1453573296;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 16:43:36; AdrianG: why do you guys only speak in strawmen? 1382931;1453573332;thestringpuller;if they rip out OpenSSL for libsecp256k1 won't this cause undeterministic behavior in signature checking? Or does the "comooniteee" just want to not check signatures anymore? 1382932;1453573333;asciilifeform;i was not able to decipher this 1382933;1453573370;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382587 << hehuahuahaehua 1382934;1453573370;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 13:32:55; Azelphur: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -10 3 months of unpaid salary, will remove rating if payment ever arrives. 1382935;1453573404;ben_vulpes;i mean poor Azelphur 1382936;1453573416;mircea_popescu;i just read it as "the difference between one's understanding and the course requirement, call it D, is the maximal aperture past which useful metaphors (with an utility marked as U) and inept strawmen (with a deviance marked as -U) can still be distinguished" 1382937;1453573436;mircea_popescu;ie, if U > D, U and U' are undiscernible. 1382938;1453573473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a spiffy article, 'variety speak' a while back. 1382939;1453573520;asciilifeform;n00bz should not only read the logz but be grateful they don't have to learn 5,000 kanji first. 1382940;1453573570;mircea_popescu;of course the correct method to learn greek consists of reading the source material and the angry german commentary in alternation. 1382941;1453573598;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu may have his reasons for being so friendly and welcoming but bearing a deep suspicion of new faces in #b-a has saved me untold heartbreak (and no doubt riches, if i were to listen to robert viragh's ilk) 1382942;1453573614;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382886 << for starters, stop capitalizing it... LISP is from the same era as ALGOL and nobody uses either one today 1382943;1453573614;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:03:25; thestringpuller: i barely "know" C, how am I ever gonna learn LISP?!?!? 1382944;1453573623;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: where do you suppose they put spent ninjashotguns ? 1382945;1453573634;asciilifeform;or do they rebarrel'em somewhere. 1382946;1453573636;mircea_popescu;in marriages. 1382947;1453573674;mircea_popescu;this is the traditional pathway of the derp. spends youth being inept, adolescence being revolutionary, gets metabolized by sub-slut grade female into "family unit" 1382948;1453573677;asciilifeform;adlai: eh, if everyone knew this, how would we readily distinguish n00bz in conversation.. 1382949;1453573683;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aren't there a million open source for 'em to get cycled through? each no doubt in need of deproblematizing some codebase of genderered nouns? 1382950;1453573720;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: possibly. but iirc that one was quite ready for the glue factory 1382951;1453573752;ben_vulpes;with just a touch of retraining he could be right at home in a bike advocacy group 1382952;1453573757;mircea_popescu;lol 1382953;1453573765;adlai;asciilifeform: because they'll mix up set, setf, get, getf, and never quite understand the long form expansion definitions 1382954;1453573774;ben_vulpes;but airbnb started out with traffic calming! 1382955;1453573774;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the kind that puts caltrops in front of trucks on a highway ? 1382956;1453573780;mircea_popescu;interestingly enough, senor vulpes understands quite exactly what i don't like about the subculture. 1382957;1453573782;ben_vulpes;i mean traffic calming is good for children! 1382958;1453573795;ben_vulpes;you should put a wifi in that kid. 1382959;1453573796;thestringpuller;adlai: I'm already lost. I'm super n00b when it comes to master's tools. 1382960;1453573828;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: oh ffs sit down with clojure for a week if you're so scared 1382961;1453573844;ben_vulpes;php and c are actually bigger pains in the ass and less useable than any lisp 1382962;1453573857;adlai;thestringpuller: if you really want to learn CL, get used to feeling lost because it takes a couple years / decades to reach all the keys on this piano 1382963;1453573872;asciilifeform;eh no it doesn't, wtf 1382964;1453573874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00056314 = 48.0922 BTC [+] {2} 1382965;1453573900;thestringpuller;maybe not for alfie who came out the womb with a commodore64 or some shiznit 1382966;1453573901;adlai;well, longer than wrapping your head around all of C or $blub 1382967;1453573915;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: for my own benefit what do i understand about bike advocacy? 1382968;1453573917;asciilifeform;978 motherfucking keywords in ansi std. 1382969;1453573920;adlai;thestringpuller: how about i just hand you http://l1sp.org and you never feel lost again 1382970;1453573921;assbot;L1sp.org - a redirect service for Common Lisp documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsRSST ) 1382971;1453573929;mircea_popescu; with just a touch of retraining he could be right at home in a bike advocacy group < 1382972;1453573949;ben_vulpes;oh the endless blithering of nonsense? 1382973;1453573965;mircea_popescu;a certain sort, a certain type. 1382974;1453573969;asciilifeform;incidentally it blew my mind when ben_vulpes told us that some of his workers commute on bike 1382975;1453573979;asciilifeform;i can only picture a sordid 1890s shanghai 1382976;1453573980;asciilifeform;or vietnam 1382977;1453573991;mircea_popescu;http://tweetnacl.cr.yp.to/20131229/tweetnacl.h << for my own education, why the fuck does a .h file in a 2 file project need to say #ifndef TWEETNACL_H #define TWEETNACL_H endif ? 1382978;1453573993;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsS2th ) 1382979;1453573993;asciilifeform;(do any of them commute by riksha ?) 1382980;1453574008;adlai;asciilifeform: my point is that it takes years of working in CL to have multiple opportunities to use each of those symbols to solve original problems 1382981;1453574011;ben_vulpes;the notion of a functional town only mildly corrupted by cars must be as foreign to you as an atomic dirigible. 1382982;1453574021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many folks use editors that automatically insert the doubleifdef-preventer thing 1382983;1453574034;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aaaactually my home town had very few cars 1382984;1453574039;mircea_popescu;xml-c++ 1382985;1453574041;asciilifeform;but nobody but children on bicycle 1382986;1453574050;asciilifeform;most folks rode trams, trolleys, a few buses. 1382987;1453574070;ben_vulpes;ah well those are absent and generally reserved for the poverty stricken or physically disabled 1382988;1453574075;asciilifeform;aha like here 1382989;1453574088;ben_vulpes;and the cultural hatred of cars runs very deep. 1382990;1453574089;adlai;asciilifeform: so amsterdam must literally be the circles of hell for you :P 1382991;1453574100;asciilifeform;trains in d.c. are interesting in that they carry folks from hobo to gs-15 1382992;1453574104;ben_vulpes;it'll be rather easy to turn that into a bloodthirsty hunt for californians alter. 1382993;1453574107;ben_vulpes;later* 1382994;1453574118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53804 @ 0.00056336 = 30.311 BTC [+] 1382995;1453574124;thestringpuller;why is everyone hating on cyclist? you alfie of all people stuck in the horrid traffic of DC on a daily basis. 1382996;1453574142;thestringpuller;in peak traffic takes just as long to travel to work on bike as by car 1382997;1453574145;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i've nothing against it per se but it is firmly linked in my head with the third world 1382998;1453574151;mircea_popescu;because he's poor, young and in the way. 1382999;1453574161;ben_vulpes;he can't imagine a situation in which people are not condemned to his own version of hell. 1383000;1453574162;asciilifeform;^^^ 1383001;1453574180;thestringpuller;i'd rather just not sit in traffic and get more fat, that is one step above purgatory. 1383002;1453574184;adlai;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1370925 (althoug i am not an exception to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382985 ) 1383003;1453574184;assbot;Logged on 15-01-2016 06:47:07; adlai: buy a bike, you'll learn more about trading and addiction from not getting run over than you will from losing money on plebian status symbols 1383004;1453574184;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:34:01; asciilifeform: but nobody but children on bicycle 1383005;1453574187;asciilifeform;as a driver, i always despised the self-righteous pedaller who was convinced that he 'saved mother earth' 1383006;1453574199;ben_vulpes;no, just his spine. 1383007;1453574202;asciilifeform;does pedal man know how much fuel is wasted by the mile-long column stuck behind him ? 1383008;1453574217;ben_vulpes;this is a hallmark of a miserable place to live. 1383009;1453574217;mircea_popescu;i never lived anywhere that wouldn't have just splattered the derp. 1383010;1453574223;mircea_popescu;nor do i see why i would. 1383011;1453574223;ben_vulpes;sane places seperate the traffic. 1383012;1453574229;asciilifeform;if bicyclist is permitted on a public street, so should horse ! 1383013;1453574233;polarbeard;so now driving cars is altruism 1383014;1453574234;asciilifeform;i would happily commute on horse. 1383015;1453574239;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: this mile long column exist regardless of cyclist in my neck of the woods 1383016;1453574240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00056336 = 22.5907 BTC [+] 1383017;1453574244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever brushed a horse ? 1383018;1453574246;ben_vulpes;and as a matter of fact horses /are/ allowed on the road. 1383019;1453574255;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not once. 1383020;1453574258;ben_vulpes;and fwiw i'd rather ride a horse too. 1383021;1453574265;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: depends on locale 1383022;1453574270;adlai;recently tlv municipality outlawed horse-driven antique furniture carts ("alte zachen"), yet another law nobody cares about 1383023;1453574274;asciilifeform;horse is not permitted here except when used by police 1383024;1453574277;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: there is a d00d who sold his car for horse at livestock auction where my gf lives. 1383025;1453574280;mircea_popescu;yeah well. horse maintenance is a lotta work. the whole horseback thing is a honest signal of a hierarchical society. 1383026;1453574291;asciilifeform;auto is not so much less work 1383027;1453574296;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: met the horse people by the river yet? 1383028;1453574308;thestringpuller;thing is actually pretty fast, but upkeep seems a bit high, and of course the thing eventually dies 1383029;1453574312;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the polo thing you mean ? 1383030;1453574318;ben_vulpes;nono 1383031;1453574324;ben_vulpes;the people who live by the river plate 1383032;1453574325;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform somewhat less work, and importantly machineable. 1383033;1453574328;ben_vulpes;and who raise their children on horses. 1383034;1453574334;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.\ 1383035;1453574346;ben_vulpes;very nice people. 1383036;1453574353;ben_vulpes;put together a lovely parillada. 1383037;1453574363;ben_vulpes;have approximately zero pesos to rub together. 1383038;1453574401;mircea_popescu;any hot gypo chicks ? 1383039;1453574426;ben_vulpes;met them through a south african who coached the greek olympic polo? dressage? teams before greece stopped paying for niceties like that. 1383040;1453574441;ben_vulpes;i'm sure you can find cooze wherever 1383041;1453574461;mircea_popescu;;;ud cooze 1383042;1453574462;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cooze | A cooze is a superficial, shallow, provincial, and generally ignorant girl, who is so intellectually and socially repulsive, that their only r... 1383043;1453574465;mircea_popescu;check it out, that's a new one. 1383044;1453574474;ben_vulpes;also wrong. 1383045;1453574501;ben_vulpes;shorthand in my world for cunt. 1383046;1453574506;mircea_popescu;what's all this "Society" so and so talk anyway. 1383047;1453574522;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i thought it was traditionally 'cunt with the rifling worn off' 1383048;1453574532;ben_vulpes;well it's urban dictionary, they're obsessed with their betters 1383049;1453574564;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this wouldn't be a result of tarantino-cultism would it ? 1383050;1453574582;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: can be. context dependent. above usage is just assumption that mircea_popescu can magic gurlz out of the air in bsas gutter, river plate shores, nile and probably inside the pyramids even 1383051;1453574585;mircea_popescu;one of his worse monologues. 1383052;1453574596;ben_vulpes;which'd that be? 1383053;1453574604;mircea_popescu;"Ok, let me tell ya what "Like a Virgin"'s about." 1383054;1453574639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except cunt's not made out of soap, to wear off. it strengthens through usage. 1383055;1453574654;asciilifeform;work-hardens ? 1383056;1453574658;asciilifeform;like aluminum ? 1383057;1453574658;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1383058;1453574661;asciilifeform;l0l 1383059;1453574663;ben_vulpes;i swear we've done this thread 1383060;1453574677;mircea_popescu;i think we might also do it again! 1383061;1453574683;asciilifeform;until hard. 1383062;1453574698;ben_vulpes;tonight, tonight... 1383063;1453574718;mircea_popescu;imaqine all the people... 1383064;1453574722;mircea_popescu;living in harmoneeee 1383065;1453574761;ben_vulpes;hey y'all might appreciate my latest gentoo quest oopsie 1383066;1453574800;ben_vulpes;i got the whole orchestra wired up, stage3 installed, everything mounted, uefi boot boss vanquished 1383067;1453574825;ben_vulpes;and let the fucking laptop run out of batteries 2 seconds after running `emerge dhcpcd` 1383068;1453574850;ben_vulpes;and this /retarded/ home router does not want to accept static IP declarations. 1383069;1453574889;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 1383070;1453574903;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: a hundy buys you a pf-capable box with 3 GB eth jacks 1383071;1453574907;mircea_popescu;what router is that. 1383072;1453574968;ben_vulpes;actiontec pk5001a 1383073;1453574981;asciilifeform;ew 1383074;1453575000;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: would be horrified at the state of my internal network 1383075;1453575014;ben_vulpes;probably everone 1383076;1453575036;mircea_popescu;so throw it out, today. 1383077;1453575040;ben_vulpes;look here i only recently decided to move the toilet out of the kitchen okay 1383078;1453575046;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha what. 1383079;1453575080;ben_vulpes;you neckbeards with a decade of setting up your own personal infrastructure have completely forgotten what it's like to be a clueless noob 1383080;1453575084;asciilifeform;phun phakt, my father's childhood was in a flat where the toilet ~literally~ was in the kitchen, behind a curtain. 1383081;1453575087;mircea_popescu;"i one day stumbled on this irc channel, and it changed my life. #totallynotacult." 1383082;1453575119;*;ben_vulpes lets mircea_popescu say it 1383083;1453575166;mircea_popescu;speaking of insane idiocies. one apt i'm leasing i nthe fabulous ba has the following INSANE arrangement : two bedrooms, united by a 3x3 hallway, off one side of which is a 3x4 bathroom, and off the corner of which is... ANOTHER, tiny, 1x2 bathroom. 1383084;1453575177;mircea_popescu;because making a proper, 6x4 bathroom to unite two bedrooms is EVIL 1383085;1453575178;ben_vulpes;on the flip side i have a far better understanding of how linux machines boot now. so, not a particularly horrendous waste of time. 1383086;1453575181;mircea_popescu;and must have little hallway. 1383087;1453575182;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1383088;1453575202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was prolly intended for 2+ humanoids who don't fuck 1383089;1453575210;mircea_popescu;if i end up buying it i'm so tearing down that shit... 1383090;1453575248;asciilifeform;we have gigantic towers of these very same things here, and more being built as we speak 1383091;1453575261;asciilifeform;!s communal 1383092;1453575262;assbot;19 results for 'communal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=communal 1383093;1453575264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the notion of sharing space and not fucking is almost as ridiculous as the notion of female wearing clothes before 30. 1383094;1453575286;mircea_popescu;i get it, if you're visiting the 3 floor, 100k sqft country house of the marquis de Q you might not be fucking EVERYONE there. 1383095;1453575290;mircea_popescu;but apartments ? gimme a break. 1383096;1453575308;ben_vulpes;http://www.kgw.com/news/local/micro-apartments-as-small-as-150-square-feet-nw-portland/4373570 1383097;1453575310;assbot;Micro apartments as small as 150 square feet NW Portland | KGW.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuyQQ ) 1383098;1453575320;asciilifeform;l0l tokyo 1383099;1453575342;ben_vulpes;and 1383100;1453575343;ben_vulpes;http://koin.com/2015/12/16/tiny-space-big-price-micro-apartments-in-portland/ 1383101;1453575346;assbot;Tiny space, big price: Micro-apartments in Portland ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuFvK ) 1383102;1453575356;ben_vulpes;eh it's not going to last 1383103;1453575368;ben_vulpes;epic inventory hitting the market q4 2016 q2 2017 1383104;1453575377;mircea_popescu;uh. 150 sq ft ? 1383105;1453575381;asciilifeform;inventory of what? 1383106;1453575382;mircea_popescu;so basically living in a bathroom 1383107;1453575386;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jail 1383108;1453575397;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: mas apartmentos y condos 1383109;1453575406;asciilifeform;except in jail they feed you and you (in most of usa) don't have to work 1383110;1453575408;asciilifeform;so this is worse. 1383111;1453575425;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that price floor is made of unobtainium and is going nowhere 1383112;1453575429;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes everything inconvenient lasts in socialism. 1383113;1453575434;asciilifeform;because if it caves in, the whole thing caves 1383114;1453575490;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: portland goes through a boom-bust property cycle at about twice the frequency of the national market 1383115;1453575492;asciilifeform;http://koin.com/2016/01/23/we-the-people-petition-white-house-to-arrest-bundy << linked from same rag. по просьбам трудящихся !111111 (tm) (r) 1383116;1453575493;assbot;'We the People' petition White House to arrest Bundy ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuMqX ) 1383117;1453575511;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1383118;1453575513;ben_vulpes;pretty routine to see 20% property value declines top to bottom 1383119;1453575516;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: so at what point in this supposed cycle can i walk in and buy a livable HOUSE for 20k? 1383120;1453575531;asciilifeform;rounding error. 1383121;1453575541;ben_vulpes;2% is a rounding error, not 20. 1383122;1453575546;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you have any idea what housing cost in the 80s ? 1383123;1453575563;ben_vulpes;oh hilariously less 1383124;1453575570;mircea_popescu;so yeah. 20% is a rounding error. 1383125;1453575571;ben_vulpes;i'm not trying to argue against the property bezzle! 1383126;1453575599;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the fluctuations come nowhere near making an actual palpable difference to anybody, ever. 1383127;1453575653;asciilifeform;(it isn't as if they were of any serious amplitude, or even fluctuated in any particular phase to salaries, interest rates, or other relevant number) 1383128;1453575654;ben_vulpes;my parents bought their current residence in...94? for 230k, are now batting away offers for 900+. i relent on the rounding error. 1383129;1453575754;mircea_popescu;buy in 1981 for 35k, sell in 1994 for 230k, buy in 1994 for 230k sell in 2006 for 1.2mn 1383130;1453575774;mircea_popescu;inflation over 25 years is a neat 3500% 1383131;1453575792;mircea_popescu;15% a year or thereabouts. 1383132;1453575793;asciilifeform;'how the world works!111' (tm) 1383133;1453575801;mircea_popescu;so you took out a year and six weeks, once. rounding error. 1383134;1453575812;ben_vulpes;okay okay! 1383135;1453575888;asciilifeform;from billboard on other side of my commute: 'new townhomes in low 600s !' 1383136;1453575897;asciilifeform;^ in godforsaken piece of shit street 1383137;1453575928;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is crack still going on in DC? or do the white people still live on the otherside of the ptomic 1383138;1453575980;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there are upscale white folk in dc now 1383139;1453576109;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile, when i visited the us people generally tipped 10% and derps were derping about how it's really not enough and should be more like 15%. incidentally looked on reddit the other day, "Everyone agrees" it should be over 20%. 1383140;1453576116;mircea_popescu;soon enough it'll just be "double the bill". 1383141;1453576199;mats;nice 1383142;1453576253;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you sound like that d00d in pulp fiction who doesn't believe in tipping. 1383143;1453576257;thestringpuller;Buscemi was it? 1383144;1453576303;mircea_popescu;spare me, i don't believe in hiring your shitty workers on my dime. i'll take a slavegirl with, and she can wait on me. your inept "staff" can go hang, how abvout that ? 1383145;1453576338;mircea_popescu;run a fucking business rather than a morroccan tourist trap and have some fucking self respect. 1383146;1453576349;thestringpuller;p. much right? 1383147;1453576352;mircea_popescu;p much. 1383148;1453576393;thestringpuller;waiters are generally shitty at their job too, cause "I'll be an actress one day!" 1383149;1453576414;thestringpuller;In US tho, they spit in your food when you insult them with low tips. 1383150;1453576494;ben_vulpes;"no, honey, we're not going out. you cook better, plate better, and do it all in the nude. i am not paying for designer lights, too much salt, and shitty hipster wait staff drinking habits. plus you'll want to tip 20% for completely miserable service and i just got my shoes off." 1383151;1453576597;mircea_popescu;p much. 1383152;1453576643;thestringpuller;That's why in house chef's have become more popular than eating out. 1383153;1453576656;thestringpuller;or at least in whites-ville suburbia where I live 1383154;1453576763;mircea_popescu;i imagine a larger driver is that a) "restaurants" saw the "opportunity" to turn into caterers and "prepare" pre-prepared meals and b) nobody trusts their fucking acquisition process. 1383155;1453576777;mircea_popescu;"you wanna cook for me, pick ingredients from over here" is the main driver, i expect. 1383156;1453576837;thestringpuller;For me I just have my own menu and tell chef "fix X here is money to go buy groceries. Don't get the cheap stuff." 1383157;1453576868;thestringpuller;I should learn to cook. But I'm an extremely fickle eater. 1383158;1453576874;mircea_popescu;for the same deal you could just get a poor gf. 1383159;1453576891;mircea_popescu;i suppose ~half the marriages in the world today happen about like that. 1383160;1453576892;thestringpuller;She doesn't cook as well as my buddy who went to culinary school. 1383161;1453576910;mircea_popescu;well, get a competent immigrant. ukr chicks cook well. 1383162;1453576960;thestringpuller;aha. I really should just learn to _actually_ cook. But I don't even know what foods I like. 1383163;1453576973;mircea_popescu;travel & find out. 1383164;1453576990;thestringpuller;when I'm no longer a USian slave I do plan to find out ;) 1383165;1453577006;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/853da9c157c3a3129d72bdf4892949fb/tumblr_mttcnr7D0x1sjgtlbo1_1280.jpg 1383166;1453577007;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Puwjxe ) 1383167;1453577075;thestringpuller;Eventually there'll be enough good porn links in the logs to have a !bait command 1383168;1453577470;ben_vulpes;from:mircea_popescu media.tumblr.com 1383169;1453577473;ben_vulpes;ain't hard 1383170;1453578388;ben_vulpes;in other apple nyooz, 'el capitan' ships with a new program 'photos' 1383171;1453578420;ben_vulpes;that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now. 1383172;1453578422;ben_vulpes;fuck these people. 1383173;1453579044;ben_vulpes;ah it was punkman with the logs 1383174;1453579215;fluffypony;with the candlestick? 1383175;1453579234;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] The measure of a state is its ability to deny benefits to outsiders - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_the-measure-of-a-state-is-its-ability-to-deny-benefits-to-outsiders.html 1383176;1453579409;ben_vulpes;fluffypony: in the server room 1383177;1453579431;fluffypony;heh 1383178;1453579434;ben_vulpes;huh shoulda fixed the date on that wotpost while i was at it 1383179;1453579439;ben_vulpes;O WELL 1383180;1453579538;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383171 << i did not notice this 1383181;1453579538;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now. 1383182;1453579552;asciilifeform;perhaps because i did not use the old sack'o'garbage ? 1383183;1453579559;asciilifeform;nor the new ? 1383184;1453579561;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i imagine you don't use iphoto 1383185;1453579567;asciilifeform;wtf does it even do 1383186;1453579583;ben_vulpes;open, see 1383187;1453579587;asciilifeform;take photos with the cruddy webcam in the machine ? 1383188;1453579596;*;ben_vulpes shakes head slowly 1383189;1453579600;ben_vulpes;that'd be photo booth 1383190;1453579602;ben_vulpes;oh ho ho 1383191;1453579609;ben_vulpes;i discovered my photo booth archives from freshman year 1383192;1453579612;ben_vulpes;oh the tits 1383193;1453579669;asciilifeform;so tell me what makes this app necessary 1383194;1453579704;ben_vulpes;gimp is not a thing on macos? 1383195;1453579709;ben_vulpes;necessary is a stretch 1383196;1453579727;ben_vulpes;iphoto i'm sure will eventually fall to quest of removing toilets from places they should not be 1383197;1453579763;ben_vulpes;handy categorizer-of-photos-by-exif is probably the best justification for my continued use of it 1383198;1453579782;*;ben_vulpes takes a lot of photos 1383199;1453579800;ben_vulpes;has since...02? 1383200;1453579819;ben_vulpes;would pull down the negative books from that era but they're in the family fire-proof safe 1383201;1453579844;ben_vulpes;yes, i store the negatives, wtf with this printed photo nonsense. 1383202;1453579887;ben_vulpes;on the flip side i do *not* store raw digital photos. 1383203;1453579895;ben_vulpes;absurd waste of bits. photography is lossy, deal. 1383204;1453579965;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382860 << recurring thread at $shop: encourage people to customize for personal ergonomics and efficiency or attempt to cultivate a standard environment for ease of collaboration on each other's devices? 1383205;1453579965;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 17:49:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382830 << not so. the first step of work is cleaning out the workspace. it is the work of truly inept management to impede on this "because it does not directly contribute to productivity" 1383206;1453580044;ben_vulpes;probably unresolved because we're coolies working oars with illusions of being graham's "six smart hackers in a room" 1383207;1453580127;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382890 << you are actually far more likely to lose a hand on the table saw your friend keeps in the garage that he doesn't know how to teach you to use than planing something flat on the master's shaper. 1383208;1453580127;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:06:52; thestringpuller: "When you handle the master carpenter's tools, chances are that you'll cut your hand." 1383209;1453580176;ben_vulpes;mostly because the shaper is a 5hp terror of cutter-face that'll make you think seven times before even beginning to cut, whereas your friend's table saw doesn't have the sawstop that your *other* idiot friend bought. 1383210;1453580237;ben_vulpes;https://youtu.be/XVktVFyid-Y?t=150 << obligatory slo-mo sawstop 1383211;1453580238;assbot;Finger into Sawstop at slow motion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/20l7hsm ) 1383212;1453581072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00055893 = 38.678 BTC [-] {3} 1383213;1453581146;punkman;"SawStop has provoked opposition from the Power Tool Institute (PTI), which represents Black & Decker, Hilti, Hitachi Koki, Makita, Metabo, Bosch, Techtronic Industries and WMH Tool Group." 1383214;1453581240;punkman;"In April 2008 they told Congress that SawStop's braking system is: dangerous because it requires the user to come in contact with the blade before activating; unproven, particularly in terms of durability; prone to false trips caused by commonly available wet and green wood; potentially vulnerable to latent damage that cannot be inspected and may cause a hazard; costly to the user because once 1383215;1453581240;punkman;activated, saw blade and cartridge must be replaced; and significantly more expensive, ranging from a minimum of 25 percent and ranging upwards depending on saw type" 1383216;1453581253;punkman;lulzy 1383217;1453581320;punkman;"The PTI objects to the licensing necessary due to the "more than 50 patents" related to SawStop's braking system; such costs "would destroy the market for the cheapest, most popular saws, adding $100 or more to the price of consumer models that typically sell for less than $200." In response, their members developed "new plastic guards to shield table saw users from the dangers of a spinning 1383218;1453581320;punkman;blade". PTI says "its member companies have received no reports of injuries on [the 750,000] table saws with the new guard design."" 1383219;1453581344;ben_vulpes;punkman: they're fighting him because he kicked their ass on the licensing front 1383220;1453581356;ben_vulpes;and the plastic guard is a joke, comes off at the first opportunity. 1383221;1453581365;punkman;I bet it is 1383222;1453581382;punkman;but can you really trust a carpenter with all 10 fingers? 1383223;1453581584;shinohai;I think I saw this. Said guard does destroy the blade in the process. 1383224;1453581586;mats;i learned today that the 82nd recently retrofitted their M4s to full auto 1383225;1453581729;ben_vulpes;shinohai: i'd rather lose a blade than a finger. 1383226;1453581766;ben_vulpes;in any event i'm long out of that line of work, and for good reason. 1383227;1453581794;asciilifeform;!s sawstop 1383228;1453581795;assbot;0 results for 'sawstop' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sawstop 1383229;1453581798;asciilifeform;hm 1383230;1453581809;asciilifeform;short story, the shits tried to make their PATENTED thing MANDATORY 1383231;1453581828;asciilifeform;and when the whole industry, predictably, tried to push back, 'oh noez they WANT your fingers chopped!1111' 1383232;1453581866;asciilifeform;mats: was there ever a real rationale for the 3-round burst thing at all ? 1383233;1453581869;ben_vulpes;mandatory? oh do cite plz 1383234;1453581883;mats;asciilifeform: suppressive fire 1383235;1453581928;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382679 << longer, but narrower 1383236;1453581928;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 14:31:04; mircea_popescu: well yes. 39 is the old ak/sks russian thing. nato has a bigger one. 1383237;1453581936;mats;what a massive waste of money for a) retrofit b) encouraging people to rambo 1383238;1453581951;asciilifeform;mats: suppressive fire would be an argument for ordinary full auto, nein ? 1383239;1453581958;ben_vulpes;ibd 1383240;1453581960;ben_vulpes;that's hilarious 1383241;1453582021;ben_vulpes;hey totally valid business strategy under gosplan--get yer shit mandated for use 1383242;1453582048;punkman;ah now it makes more sense 1383243;1453582050;mats;asciilifeform: well, yeah. burst is pretty good in close quarters 1383244;1453582066;mats;the round itself is pretty light and you can control the grouping with practice 1383245;1453582084;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://toolmonger.com/2012/09/14/more-sawstop-bs << randomly picked summary 1383246;1453582087;assbot;More SawStop BS | Toolmonger ... ( http://bit.ly/20la0lz ) 1383247;1453582096;ben_vulpes;meanwhile found it 1383248;1453582097;asciilifeform;mats: i was asking about the 3-round limit 1383249;1453582160;asciilifeform;i found it a puzzling thing, esp. given as nato world uses professional soldiers rather than orcish conscripts, the latter presumably cannot be trained to let go of the trigger 1383250;1453582180;punkman;what's with the pharma spam in that article 1383251;1453582197;asciilifeform;punkman: never seen a blog gone to seed before ? 1383252;1453582364;mats;most people i've run into have been trained to exclusively use semi auto 1383253;1453582392;asciilifeform;how do you lay suppressive fire with semi ? ww1 volley style ? 1383254;1453582401;mats;and some high speed units that have MOUT missions will teach burst in cqb 1383255;1453582472;mats;and traditionally folks are taught that suppressive fire is for the SAW gunner 1383256;1453582551;BingoBoingo;lol, yeah this idiocy exists everywhere http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382862 1383257;1453582551;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 17:52:11; mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don't enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy. 1383258;1453582897;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382941 << I have no recollection of what it was that flipped that paranoia switches when he was PM'ing me drunk, sober reading the logs unrevealing, but I am now very glad that breaker flipped. 1383259;1453582897;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:26:38; ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu may have his reasons for being so friendly and welcoming but bearing a deep suspicion of new faces in #b-a has saved me untold heartbreak (and no doubt riches, if i were to listen to robert viragh's ilk) 1383260;1453582932;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: reading the log i posted as his rating was not enough ? 1383261;1453582966;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not Robert V, The ragnar dude 1383262;1453582977;asciilifeform;ah 1383263;1453583005;BingoBoingo;The one who came with various promises of toil so can eat while hodl 1383264;1453583058;BingoBoingo;At least it is one less ammends to make when step 9 comes around 1383265;1453583101;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382902 << that's exactly what I had imagined 1383266;1453583101;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:12:25; mircea_popescu: anyway, my idea was originalyl that it's a collaborative tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest they fall in. 1383267;1453583228;punkman;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/firearms-gangs-glamorous-assistant-who-7228168 1383268;1453583229;assbot;Firearms gang's glamorous assistant who posed in provocative selfie with AK-47 jailed for 10 years - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZUP3RN ) 1383269;1453583560;ben_vulpes;dafuq is a deactivated weapon 1383270;1453583626;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383023 << Here horse is most privileged. Permitted on sidewalk, bike lanes, and road proper. Only limit on their popularity is pooper scooper laws. 1383271;1453583626;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:37:54; asciilifeform: horse is not permitted here except when used by police 1383272;1453584550;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: "deactivated" typically means barrel filled with lead and various parts molested to place it substantially far from being a weapon capable of operation. Reactivating mean replacing parts. 1383273;1453584601;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: museum weapon 1383274;1453584678;BingoBoingo;Also that. 1383275;1453584750;BingoBoingo;For a while many of the fine mail order retailers of 'Murica actually marketed many of these museum weapons in their pages. Most have moved on from that though. 1383276;1453585219;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3710 1383277;1453585221;assbot;JL: Neanderthal Idiots in Harm City ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbGa0d ) 1383278;1453585345;BingoBoingo;http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/sympathy_for_the_devil_but_none_for_white_victims_of_violence.html#ixzz3y5ORkdBG 1383279;1453585346;assbot;Articles: Sympathy for the Devil... But None for White Victims of Violence ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbGmwp ) 1383280;1453585414;BingoBoingo;"When one boy snarled she should go back to India, she told him that under his argument he should go back to Africa. That cost her a disciplinary inquiry for 'racism'. She was also hauled in for suspected 'racism' when she used the technical term "negate" in her class -- and a black girl took it as an epithet and brought her hell-raising mother to school to confront her in the principal's office. " 1383281;1453586024;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1383282;1453586031;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 390.36, vol: 7889.73415043 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 393.0, vol: 5116.00628 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 389.79, vol: 25994.71324663 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 352.0, vol: 8.10773217 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 392.84704, vol: 78857.98570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 390.8, vol: 372.47406101 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.40716801, vol: 19.80240217 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1383283;1453586095;BingoBoingo;;;more 1383284;1453586096;gribble;392.007608699 1383285;1453586101;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1383286;1453586105;gribble;Current Blocks: 394695 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1383287;1453586242;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-01-2016#1362586 << citation 1383288;1453586242;assbot;Logged on 08-01-2016 00:12:37; asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's) 1383289;1453586243;ben_vulpes;? 1383290;1453586436;*;asciilifeform entirely snowed in, finally 1383291;1453586442;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you will have to unearth the thing yourself 1383292;1453586457;mats;stuck at work, asciilifeform ? 1383293;1453586463;asciilifeform;mats: nah 1383294;1453586497;mats;fortunate 1383295;1453586587;ben_vulpes;huh 1383296;1453586593;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: see PM 1383297;1453586602;ben_vulpes;for someone reason vasalgel is being pushed as an alternative to risug 1383298;1453586605;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zRrZQ14Y--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/klka9zgkgsp0qhksprw8.jpg << US cops now doing the stupid "gansta grip" 1383299;1453586606;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20lgJfo ) 1383300;1453586630;ben_vulpes;ty thestringpuller 1383301;1453586649;mats;i feel bad for the pizza guy that has to drive here in 45 mins 1383302;1453586709;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/21/oberlins-president-refuses-negotiate-student-list-demands 1383303;1453586712;assbot;Oberlin's president refuses to negotiate with student list of demands ... ( http://bit.ly/20lgReM ) 1383304;1453586766;BingoBoingo;"The 14-page list of demands at Oberlin was detailed and contained many controversial items. Among other things, it demanded the immediate firing of some Oberlin employees, the immediate tenuring of some faculty members, specific curricular changes, a review and possible revision of the grading system (to be overseen by students), the creation of "safe spaces" for black students in at least three buildings on campus, the creation 1383305;1453586766;BingoBoingo;of a program to enroll recently released prisoners from a nearby prison as undergraduates, divestment from Israel, and a requirement that black student leaders be paid $8.20 an hour for their organizing efforts." 1383306;1453586818;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383171 <<< blockchain crapologies ? 1383307;1453586818;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 19:47:00; ben_vulpes: that starts up, shits 40gb of files to disk immediately while importing the classic 'iphoto' library, and has now been spinning on the import for 2 straight days now. 1383308;1453586911;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol whence the spunk ? blackdemandsmatter! 1383309;1453586922;mircea_popescu;oh wait, Marvin Krislov. almost russian! 1383310;1453586933;BingoBoingo;Nah, Oberlin jack off 1383311;1453586949;BingoBoingo;It's Oberlin though so they've been enabling this shit for decades 1383312;1453586977;mircea_popescu;http://www.press.umich.edu/1181733 << the irony. 1383313;1453586979;assbot;The Next Twenty-five Years ... ( http://bit.ly/20lhk0D ) 1383314;1453587045;asciilifeform;one wonders, why not 'the next twenty-five thousand years' 1383315;1453587117;mircea_popescu;because "progress". 1383316;1453587126;asciilifeform;ogress. 1383317;1453587143;mircea_popescu;well yeah. any sort of longer stretch is either inacceptably unprogressive or outright ridiculous. 1383318;1453587170;mircea_popescu;consider : "so we'll have 3500% inflation over the next 25 years." "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1" 1383319;1453587185;ben_vulpes;oho i'm going to have a blast with those demands later 1383320;1453587185;mircea_popescu;sure baby. now do 150% a year for 25`000 years. 1383321;1453587196;*;asciilifeform just finished transplanting the switch under 'printscreen' to under spacebar 1383322;1453587211;asciilifeform;so nice to have industrial soldering iron at last, heats up in maybe 5sec 1383323;1453587220;mircea_popescu; "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1" <<< meant to be "only 150%", cuz nigga can't exponentiate, divides instead. 1383324;1453587294;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so you starting your own "drunken mousy middle chalss chick at college" tumblr ? 1383325;1453587333;ben_vulpes;waiwut? 1383326;1453587341;BingoBoingo;Further ButtFurry lulz, Want to boost block size, but... https://archive.is/MI5UM 1383327;1453587342;assbot;Cryptolution comments on "Consensus Round Table" meeting in Miami going on now ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdShc5 ) 1383328;1453587342;mircea_popescu;i dunno, jus going through logs. 1383329;1453587355;BingoBoingo;"This meeting has reached a maximum of 50 participants. Please try again later." 1383330;1453587358;ben_vulpes;in reference to? 1383331;1453587376;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383191 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383168 1383332;1453587376;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 20:06:49; ben_vulpes: i discovered my photo booth archives from freshman year 1383333;1453587376;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 19:31:10; ben_vulpes: from:mircea_popescu media.tumblr.com 1383334;1453587452;ben_vulpes;nah, just giving the botmakers lurking a tip on how to automate the baitprocurement 1383335;1453587710;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383219 <<< i wouldn't buy a thing with "SawStop (tm)" and i certainly don't want to HAVE to. 1383336;1453587710;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 20:35:44; ben_vulpes: punkman: they're fighting him because he kicked their ass on the licensing front 1383337;1453587725;asciilifeform;^ 1383338;1453587745;asciilifeform;it is worse than that mercedes that brakes by itself. 1383339;1453587757;mircea_popescu;quite. no rule everyone must run a saw. 1383340;1453587770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383224 << and this to me just reads "we gave up on learning any aim". 1383341;1453587770;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 20:39:46; mats: i learned today that the 82nd recently retrofitted their M4s to full auto 1383342;1453587778;mircea_popescu;oddly related to the saw thing. 1383343;1453587813;*;ben_vulpes admittedly has difficulty pulling head out of workplace safety mindset 1383344;1453587814;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1383232 <<< yes. 1383345;1453587814;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 20:44:26; asciilifeform: mats: was there ever a real rationale for the 3-round burst thing at all ? 1383346;1453587822;asciilifeform;actually it suggests usg confidence that it will ~never~ suffer shortages of ammo 1383347;1453587824;asciilifeform;even localized 1383348;1453587839;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes workplace safety != this just like domestic faithfulness != chastity belts. 1383349;1453587908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't fucking aim that bs. 1383350;1453587921;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: wut? 1383351;1453587936;mats;its a change that does make rifle teams more flexible 1383352;1453587941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: full auto is for suppressive fire, just needs to go in the general direction of the enemy, nein ? 1383353;1453587956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but ONLY full auto means you can't do most of the things you actually want to do. 1383354;1453587962;mircea_popescu;you want suppressive fire get a fucking platform. 1383355;1453587977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: m16 was never 'only' 1383356;1453587979;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are you going to do with a pos hot rifle that only fires full auto in the remains of a town ? 1383357;1453587981;mats;although the effect is psychological and may not work against a trained enemy 1383358;1453587986;mircea_popescu;shoot yourself and be done with the misery, i guess. 1383359;1453587987;asciilifeform;it was traditionally select b/w single and auto 1383360;1453588001;mircea_popescu;from what i understood it went full auto ? 1383361;1453588004;mircea_popescu;or do i misunderstand ? 1383362;1453588016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they removed the 3-round burst thing that was put in instead of auto in the '90s 1383363;1453588016;mircea_popescu;mats and "trained" in this context merely means experienced. 1383364;1453588027;asciilifeform;it had a clockwork gadget that fired 3s 1383365;1453588038;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like every civilised everyone everwhere. aim the first. 1383366;1453588054;mircea_popescu;by the time the 3rd went off, your barrel is so far up high it no longer matters. 1383367;1453588056;mircea_popescu;save on the heat. 1383368;1453588066;asciilifeform;bbbut what if spinnin' round & round, 'fooor piglet' 1383369;1453588076;asciilifeform;!s for piglet 1383370;1453588077;assbot;5 results for 'for piglet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=for+piglet 1383371;1453588238;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379720 << surprisingly close read of the logs by...whom now? 1383372;1453588238;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 15:24:17; thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work. 1383373;1453588239;mats;i personally like burst 1383374;1453588250;mats;but the complexity it adds, usually isn't worth it 1383375;1453588292;ben_vulpes;what, but the complexity of stack randomization /is/?! 1383376;1453588336;mats;i don't make the rules, man 1383377;1453588393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 120000 @ 0.000087 = 10.44 BTC [-] 1383378;1453588447;asciilifeform;l0l l00ks like jurov found a buyer 1383379;1453588491;ben_vulpes;87? 1383380;1453588492;ben_vulpes;wow 1383381;1453588502;ben_vulpes;am i missing an order of magnitude here? 1383382;1453588562;ben_vulpes;holy shit snsa listed in 2013 1383383;1453588576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 260000 @ 0.000085 = 22.1 BTC [-] 1383384;1453588615;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc you were there 1383385;1453588626;ben_vulpes;at the bell even 1383386;1453588676;jurov;actually, 85 :( 1383387;1453588694;asciilifeform;if i had an account, i'd buy it off him ! 1383388;1453588699;mats;i bought those 1383389;1453588740;jurov;may they serve you well 1383390;1453588824;mats;did you take a loss selling those 1383391;1453589004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226316 @ 0.0005557 = 125.7638 BTC [-] {5} 1383392;1453589044;jurov;mats, guess what was the ipo price? 1383393;1453589162;mats;9980? 1383394;1453589191;jurov;close, but nope. 1383395;1453589221;jurov;2013-10-17 08:16 Buy xxxxx@0.0001 1383396;1453589281;mircea_popescu; bbbut what if spinnin' round & round, 'fooor piglet' << i imagine you're exactly on the mark. cartoon army, designing weapons for cartoon usage. 1383397;1453589292;mats;ic 1383398;1453589302;mircea_popescu; holy shit snsa listed in 2013 <<< well yes, was gonna be xmas remember! 1383399;1453589389;jurov; if i had an account, i'd buy it off him ! << iirc the person that holds your coins, does have an account? just ash zer to place teh order. 1383400;1453589399;jurov;*ask 1383401;1453589428;asciilifeform;jurov: i think this would violate his monastic oath or at least give him indigestion 1383402;1453589474;jurov;imo you gave him some indigestions already 1383403;1453589491;jurov;s/gave/caused/ 1383404;1453589587;BingoBoingo;Indigestions are an imprecise thing that over time increases risks of things like Barret's oesophagus 1383405;1453589606;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell exactly when too many indigestions happen 1383406;1453590309;mircea_popescu;who are you two talking about ? 1383407;1453590350;mircea_popescu;"NervousNorbert [score hidden] 4 hours ago Consensus on increasing the maximum participant limit was not reached." << ahahaha top keks. 1383408;1453590702;mircea_popescu;"The gang's downfall came when Aaron Shane Murphy and Uzair Patel, both 29, were stopped by police in a taxi in Newham in June 2015." 1383409;1453590727;mircea_popescu;orly, check that out, airstrip one got taxi stopping policies nao ? 1383410;1453591009;mircea_popescu;"I recently moved to the Pacific Northwest from Baltimore. What partly impelled the move was being beaten up by a black guy who I had grappled with and held down after he was chasing his girlfriend with a baseball bat. His GF and another woman went nuts, beating me as he and I grappled on the ground with me holding the bat with both arms. To shut them up, I stupidly rolled the bat away and let him get up. He promptly d 1383411;1453591009;mircea_popescu;ecked me, kicked the hell out of my head (concussion and bleeding). I was very lucky. " 1383412;1453591010;mircea_popescu;awww. 1383413;1453591575;mircea_popescu;"These yuppie blockbuster musicians, who think they can save those who hate them and put their women and children in danger to assuage their own misplaced feminist guilt and world-saving bitch complex, should be staked out, skinned, have their eyelids pinned back, and left for the crows." 1383414;1453591594;mircea_popescu;or, alternatively, they could be just left to do what they do, which is both cheaper and conceptually cleaner. 1383415;1453591675;mircea_popescu;in somewhat related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/ae3ff8150c429b9e246ef7088cf1d5a1/tumblr_mxjvf37IWX1symi8mo1_400.gif 1383416;1453591677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qlp5ir ) 1383417;1453591963;mircea_popescu;me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof". 1383418;1453592050;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nevertheless, bear in mind that there is a catastrophic difference between "derp needing" and "dude trying to contribute". 1383419;1453592480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66432 @ 0.00056091 = 37.2624 BTC [+] {3} 1383420;1453592552;hanbot; me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof". << to borrow a recent parallel from copypaste, couldn't the same be said of best korea? 1383421;1453592592;mircea_popescu;sure. on the scale of sovereignity north korea is doing pretty well, too bad they're stupid. 1383422;1453592617;hanbot;admittedly i was looking moar at the "quality of life" bit 1383423;1453592617;mircea_popescu;ie, much easier to "deny benefits to outsiders" when nobody wants the benefits you offer. 1383424;1453592635;hanbot;mhm 1383425;1453592680;mircea_popescu;well, "my son, we're bums but you'll inherit all of it" sorta degree. no loss in quality of life there. 1383426;1453592752;phf;so only thing i did with timestamps in logs is add milliseconds to the log printer (to add necessary precisions to graphs). i'm pretty sure i discovered that blockchain height served as well in my case (produced similar shapes with none of the "laptop went to sleep" noise), but i was looking specifically at the number of block send/recv retries 1383427;1453592771;mircea_popescu;is this in a patch ? 1383428;1453592797;phf;milliseconds are 1383429;1453592813;hanbot;i wonder how often that's more tolerable than eg cazalla's worse-off-than-grandpa plight. 1383430;1453592845;phf;but the patch got lost, between punkman taking over logging improvements and the v-ification 1383431;1453592869;mircea_popescu;hanbot should be universal. if i find any thing worse than in the time of the predecessors i'm bringing out the machine guns and fire throwers as a matter of principle. and i want the skies bathed in the screams of the innocent and the blood of gutted babes, also as a matter of principle. 1383432;1453592890;mircea_popescu;phf what sorry state of sin is this! 1383433;1453593519;phf;i can bring it forward, it wasn't included in the v release, nor did anybody ask about it, so i assumed it's not needed 1383434;1453593802;phf;fwiw openbsd didn't make it through v-ification either, it was designed to work cross platform, but i believe there were makefile modifications since, that didn't include it. i don't actively run openbsd, so can't integration test the result 1383435;1453593924;danielpbarron;>> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God 1383436;1453594005;BingoBoingo;lol that third paragraph of disclaimers 1383437;1453594018;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/pPnv0 1383438;1453594019;assbot;Lesson learned from the Classic coup attempt or why Core needs to prepare a GPU only PoW — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZJOJ2X ) 1383439;1453595296;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: dude, yes. transient, no. 1383440;1453595340;ben_vulpes;mod6: i do believe that i understand now. 1383441;1453595376;ben_vulpes;'tis a very surgical strike, if i'm reading correctly. only if the flag is set and the sig does not bear the correct order is order enforced. 1383442;1453595411;ben_vulpes;i'd have probably done something ham-handed and just set the order for the given flag, which would be a bigger change to life-fire use than i think would be warranted. 1383443;1453595530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00055547 = 3.1106 BTC [-] 1383444;1453595597;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: i swear that i'm referencing something mircea_popescu said with that line, but i'll be damned if i can find the original. 1383445;1453596043;mod6;phf: your patch(s) did work for me on openbsd. i think, once we have all of trinque's makefiles ready to go with the new (forthcoming) version of V, you and I should work together to get a new vpatch of your openbsd changes submitted. 1383446;1453596081;mod6;The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree. 1383447;1453596129;mod6;so either, we need a separate repository for openbsd patches (not a bad idea), or we should just put the new openbsd vpatch in the mailing list for those who need it -- let them just add it to their V 'patches' directoriy by hand 1383448;1453596136;mod6;*directory 1383449;1453596143;mod6;make sense? 1383450;1453596155;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: i do believe that i understand now. << cool! 1383451;1453596165;ben_vulpes;fwiw i completely failed to get the openbsd patch to work. 1383452;1453596182;ben_vulpes;but i probably hosed something on that machine way before ever making it to building tri. 1383453;1453596202;mod6;yeah, i think i need to walk you through the exact steps. i did get it to build, and fully sync a chain even. was very happy about that. 1383454;1453596225;shinohai;mod6: i am fully synced nau ^^ 1383455;1453596323;mod6;having an alternate to linux is important to me. and i was able to build a static binary, but obviously this doesn't work with the rotor (linux only buildroot). i did build it with the stator. 1383456;1453596343;mod6;anyway, getting a buildable openbsd is a priority of mine. there are just bigger things in front of that for the moment. 1383457;1453596353;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6: i am fully synced nau ^^ << ^6 1383458;1453596362;mod6;does that bring us to 8 nodes now 1383459;1453596363;mod6;? 1383460;1453596445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00055547 = 11.276 BTC [-] 1383461;1453596460;shinohai;and ~ 90% complete to pogo backup of blockchain 1383462;1453596497;mod6;you're just using it as a storage bin for the time being? 1383463;1453596573;shinohai;yeah for now. 1383464;1453596634;shinohai;i just have it cat the latest blkxxx.dat over once every 12 hours. 1383465;1453596676;mod6;ah aight 1383466;1453596750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.000562 = 50.4957 BTC [+] {2} 1383467;1453597253;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/wlGL3Dy.jpg?1 1383468;1453597254;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbUwNY ) 1383469;1453597388;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ZfhmqQa.png 1383470;1453597389;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WFAtIt ) 1383471;1453597604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00056201 = 13.713 BTC [+] 1383472;1453597970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43890 @ 0.00056201 = 24.6666 BTC [+] 1383473;1453598822;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Money, Trust, and the Wild Wild Web (A socioeconomic history of that SSL, or that green lock symbol in your browser) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_money-trust-and-the-wild-wild-web-a-socioeconomic-history-of-that-ssl-or-that-green-lock-symbol-in-your-browser.html 1383474;1453598958;ben_vulpes;a no fuck that lol 1383475;1453599142;shinohai;wash BingoBoingo 's fat pics from your eyes: https://i.imgur.com/zLnxfUb.jpg 1383476;1453599143;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3V3Aq ) 1383477;1453599223;ben_vulpes;oh those are hardly even worth mentioning 1383478;1453599251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.00055615 = 76.0813 BTC [-] {3} 1383479;1453599252;BingoBoingo;Seriously been a while since I posted a really bad one 1383480;1453599285;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7 1383481;1453599293;BingoBoingo;!Up raedah 1383482;1453599294;ben_vulpes;man i fucking hate my webshit. 1383483;1453599305;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Money, Trust, and the Wild Wild Web (A socioeconomic history of SSL, or that green lock symbol in your browser) - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_money-trust-and-the-wild-wild-web-a-socioeconomic-history-of-ssl-or-that-green-lock-symbol-in-your-browser.html 1383484;1453599325;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/rg8nJ << Did Ragnar move on? 1383485;1453599326;assbot;Be a part of the thriving underground economy with a darknet job! : SeaJobs ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Vtqk ) 1383486;1453599727;adlai;;;nethash 1383487;1453599728;gribble;946829249.036 1383488;1453599737;adlai;cmon chinese chicken! 1383489;1453599761;adlai;;;google youtube rhcp chinese chicken 1383490;1453599762;gribble;Chinese - YouTube: ; Chinese Chicken Song - YouTube: ; How to cook Chicken and Mango Stri-fry recipe - YouTube: 1383491;1453599849;*;adlai fails, twice in a row. too fuck to drunk? !down 1383492;1453599924;adlai;;;later tell mike_c candle charts outta sync, comment moderation constipation? 1383493;1453599925;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1383494;1453599940;adlai;anybody know the guy? the site is *almost* functional in absentia, but not quite enough 1383495;1453600163;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those 1383496;1453600188;ben_vulpes;also looks like the storied Oberlin conservatory is about to turn into Rap Kollege 1383497;1453600274;adlai;fwiw friend who teaches classics at a usg 'prep school' attests to having had a student excused from any and all performance standards due to APD (which stands for 'auditory processing disorder') 1383498;1453600299;adlai;tis the new AD[h]D 1383499;1453600299;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND an online database that outlines the deadlines, dates, and forms critical for the successful academic journey of Black students" because we can't be arsed to figure it out ourselves, read syllabi when they're handed out or at all, and because of course knowing to do all of the above is something we were not prepared for in life and this must be rectified at the expense of everyone else attending the school. 1383500;1453600326;ben_vulpes;lol required events 1383501;1453600330;ben_vulpes;who goes to required freshmen events? 1383502;1453600382;ben_vulpes;woo hoo hoo fifteen 1383503;1453600420;adlai;fifteen whats? 1383504;1453600462;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND a change in the fundamental ways that we asses knowledge at this institution, starting with a student evaluation of the effectiveness of the grading system. We will have oversight over the results of that evaluation. If the results state that the grading system is not reflective of this institution's student body, we DEMAND an immediate change of that grading system." 1383505;1453600465;ben_vulpes;grades are racist! 1383506;1453600473;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0RT1A2Q.txt 1383507;1453600475;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuTlnC ) 1383508;1453600491;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1383509;1453600837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8608 @ 0.0005603 = 4.8231 BTC [+] {2} 1383510;1453600914;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND the renaming of these specific academic buildings" 1383511;1453600985;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND that a mandatory professional development program be developed for faculty across departments in the College & Conservatory that will help facilitate their udnerstanding of the ways in which racial capitalism, settler colonialism, and other forms of violent oppression inform and shape instructional methods for the disciplinary content of their courses. We further DEMAND that the content of this information be integrated in 1383512;1453600985;ben_vulpes;their coursework." 1383513;1453601041;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND a 6% annual increase in grant offers vs. loan offers for Black Students" 1383514;1453601047;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381219 << It turns out shitty rotation is there: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 1383515;1453601047;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 16:56:17; PeterL: does trb debug.log grow infinitely? 1383516;1453601048;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuTHee ) 1383517;1453601072;ben_vulpes;!s compression 1383518;1453601073;assbot;42 results for 'compression' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=compression 1383519;1453601080;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you laugh, but THAT was how we got xyz-studies in the '70s usa 1383520;1453601108;ben_vulpes;i'm not laughing i'm horrified 1383521;1453601125;ben_vulpes;i thought there'd be about another 5 years before things got this nutso 1383522;1453601128;BingoBoingo;And seriously Oberlin historically has been a trailblazer in surrendering to such demands 1383523;1453601242;ben_vulpes;tenure for an artist in residence, nice 1383524;1453601313;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND that Black student leaders be provided a[n] $8.20/hr stipend for their continuous organizing efforts around the well[-]being of Black people on Oberlin's campus, city and beyond" << man that is some low-dough shit 1383525;1453601317;ben_vulpes;why not 15? 20? 1383526;1453601324;asciilifeform;2B! 1383527;1453601349;asciilifeform;or why not demand bottomless bank account ? 1383528;1453601358;ben_vulpes;that /is/ the demand. 1383529;1453601370;asciilifeform;i remember reading as a kid, about some south american dictator who gave his phriendz such a thing, and being horrified 1383530;1453601382;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND that each worker, temporary or permanent working for the College Dining Hall Services be given a meal every work shift" 1383531;1453601391;asciilifeform;worker? work? 1383532;1453601402;asciilifeform;what kind of crackpot revolutionaries are these 1383533;1453601408;asciilifeform;who still speak of.. work 1383534;1453601426;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle." 1383535;1453601442;ben_vulpes;"all employees be given healthcarea and insurance" 1383536;1453601476;ben_vulpes;DEMAND immediate firing of: ... Gerri Johnson...for their rude behavior towards Black Students 1383537;1453601519;ben_vulpes;"We DEMAND that Oberlin College stop functioning as a gentrifying institution" 1383538;1453601537;ben_vulpes;"the immediate implementation of a free bussing system" 1383539;1453601566;ben_vulpes;ah jeez 1383540;1453601569;ben_vulpes;okay, phew. 1383541;1453601623;ben_vulpes;too goddamn funny. 1383542;1453601752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79900 @ 0.00056034 = 44.7712 BTC [+] {2} 1383543;1453601913;mircea_popescu;in the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/55410531c948328ed44c62d2ada58609/tumblr_myt1r9blgZ1suzvb1o1_1280.jpg 1383544;1453601914;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuUuM1 ) 1383545;1453601935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00055513 = 27.8675 BTC [-] {3} 1383546;1453601969;polarbeard;fatsideboob 1383547;1453602100;funkenstein_;ben_vulpes thanks for lulz of the day :) 1383548;1453602106;mircea_popescu;you mean the girl is fat ? 1383549;1453602142;polarbeard;no, only her side boob 1383550;1453602161;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? 1383551;1453602161;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree. 1383552;1453602236;mircea_popescu;we can't be the first people doing a multi-platform release. 1383553;1453602287;asciilifeform;but we ~might~ be the first people who won't tolerate pestilential #ifdefs OR duplicate trees for it 1383554;1453602325;BingoBoingo;^ 1383555;1453602351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what do we do ? 1383556;1453602353;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1383557;1453602354;gribble;949473454.023 1383558;1453602377;asciilifeform;openbsd won't run linux elf, like netbsd ? 1383559;1453602380;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ? 1383560;1453602397;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Only i386 will. 1383561;1453602400;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this. 1383562;1453602400;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree. 1383563;1453602411;asciilifeform;everything i've so far experienced with openbsd suggests that 1383564;1453602413;asciilifeform;it is retarded 1383565;1453602417;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383495 << rap "industree" is dead in the water so all the wanna-be succeeders at "the game" want federal dollars to prop up their delusion. 1383566;1453602417;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 01:49:23; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those 1383567;1453602433;asciilifeform;and that it is only quasi-works for a few very specific use cases 1383568;1453602443;asciilifeform;perhaps it was once a thing, i cannot say 1383569;1453602444;mod6;however, if he and I work together, we could possibly get some patches in place that would check to see what the local environment is and if __BSD__, then apply, otherwise, do not. 1383570;1453602464;asciilifeform;pretty much every single 'openbsdism' i've so far run into screams braindamage 1383571;1453602474;mircea_popescu;mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ? 1383572;1453602485;asciilifeform;(~different~ braindamage than in linux, and this is appealing to some people) 1383573;1453602487;mod6;yes. 1383574;1453602501;mircea_popescu;well yeah, seems this will have to be separately maintained. 1383575;1453602513;asciilifeform;just like the nintendo port. 1383576;1453602519;mircea_popescu;i suspect it'd be a horrid mistake to try and merge the notion of a press and the notion of a makefile. 1383577;1453602543;mod6;and further, the changes that we wanted to make with V (where we mechanically check to see the patch was applied correctly by checking the hashes) also will not work on bsd unless a bunch more alterations are made, but this is a side issue. 1383578;1453602548;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct, they are entirely different processes with just enough superficially in common to lead n00bz to conceptual perdition 1383579;1453602555;pete_dushenski;https://medium.com/@wob/the-sad-state-of-web-development-1603a861d29f#.b8m91c8mi << nyooz at 11 1383580;1453602556;assbot;The Sad State of Web Development — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1nGEkJi ) 1383581;1453602560;mircea_popescu;mod6 how can that possibly happen ?! 1383582;1453602579;mod6;this is because BSD's sha/md commands spit out the digests in different way than on linux. 1383583;1453602585;mircea_popescu;oh ffs. 1383584;1453602630;ben_vulpes;yeah, i ran into this. 1383585;1453602632;ben_vulpes;needs -q flags. 1383586;1453602669;mircea_popescu;so basically, this should prolly be on the wiki or what. 1383587;1453602707;mod6;linux: 1383588;1453602707;mod6;# sha256sum blah.txt 1383589;1453602708;mod6;827aa4d3ea7c8b7177abe0e2d1d87f45857755df32956fbc54e7a1c10981e6b4 blah.txt 1383590;1453602729;mod6;bsd 1383591;1453602730;mod6;sha256 blah.txt 1383592;1453602734;mod6;SHA256 (blah.txt) = 827aa4d3ea7c8b7177abe0e2d1d87f45857755df32956fbc54e7a1c10981e6b4 1383593;1453602736;BingoBoingo; (~different~ braindamage than in linux, and this is appealing to some people) << This is pretty much its appeal to me. I have modest needs as far as necessary hardware and necessary software go. 1383594;1453602745;mod6;so a minor annoyance there. but alas. 1383595;1453602780;*;adlai notes that the three laws are phrased as guidelines for builders, rather than code for execution 1383596;1453602784;BingoBoingo;Also Openbsd base system is complete enough to make internet on mars 1383597;1453602789;adlai;... wrong chanl (or maybe not?) 1383598;1453602801;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ? << and further more, they'll never have the same build process like we want. 1383599;1453602859;mod6;because they can not use buildroot... at least, I don't *think* they can, easily at lesat. they could turn on Linux Binary Comapt mode and perhaps some other kernel tweeks. would need to be looked a.t. 1383600;1453602862;mircea_popescu;mod6 thinking about this, the problem slowly becomes that not only does bitcoin gravitate towards bitcoinos, but it puts some serious problems to any attempt at wide support. 1383601;1453602881;mod6;for sure. our best bet, is bitcoinos. 1383602;1453602890;pete_dushenski;http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/users/2016/01/vr_porn_is_here_does_virtual_sex_really_feel_real.html?curator=MediaREDEF <-- same 'amanda hess' chica as --> http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/18/you-need-an-ambien-to-sleep-because-you-bought-the-trappings-of-power-instead-of-the-real-thing/ 1383603;1453602891;assbot;VR porn is here. Does virtual sex really feel real? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuVgJ4 ) 1383604;1453602892;assbot;You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuVgJ8 ) 1383605;1453602909;pete_dushenski;in related news, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html is a dead link 1383606;1453602911;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuVhws ) 1383607;1453602911;mircea_popescu;the problem with that is that well... nobody'd want to bash in bitcoinos. so we'll end up with a very strange catamaran of a stack. 1383608;1453602923;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski do you mind ? 1383609;1453602925;adlai;pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :) 1383610;1453602930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am actually dealing with precisely this as we speak 1383611;1453602959;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, follow assbot's bitly link 1383612;1453602962;asciilifeform;dusted off draft of something i had a while back, because mircea_popescu mentioned it and proclaimed that it isn't wholly retarded 1383613;1453602973;mircea_popescu;which was this ? 1383614;1453602986;asciilifeform;tinyscheme welded onto trb 1383615;1453602999;asciilifeform;draft name on my disk was.. shiva 1383616;1453603001;mircea_popescu;ah, right. 1383617;1453603011;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the first time so far it occurs to me we might be setting ourselves up for failure here. because of this support / os issue. 1383618;1453603022;asciilifeform;it will be a ~shell~ 1383619;1453603025;asciilifeform;in trb. 1383620;1453603044;pete_dushenski;my apologies for the linkspam interruption 1383621;1453603068;asciilifeform;only switched on, with command line flag, if you are really ready to meet allah; 1383622;1453603073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform logically : a) you won't want to ssh into the node and do your bash there (providing it even has ssh). this means you'll be stuck using something else on top of bitcoin-os. 1383623;1453603094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is elementarily not so 1383624;1453603095;mircea_popescu;obviously, as a general thing, people MIGHT consider running a bitcoin node on any box they run. 1383625;1453603107;mircea_popescu;but if bitcoin can not be run there... well... 1383626;1453603107;asciilifeform;the bare metal variant will expose shiva shell through one of the serial ports 1383627;1453603119;asciilifeform;which can be attached to whatever you like, e.g., a unix box running sshd 1383628;1453603128;asciilifeform;sort of what folks do with routers and factory robots today 1383629;1453603135;mircea_popescu;hm 1383630;1453603160;mircea_popescu;so then the model here is to have fundamentally speaking a pogo/arm-ish level bitcoind/os, that doesn't really natively build on anything without a laundry list of finicking ? 1383631;1453603173;asciilifeform;builds ~on~ whatever the fuck you like 1383632;1453603184;asciilifeform;rotor does this already 1383633;1453603184;mircea_popescu;i mean software-on not hardware-on 1383634;1453603191;asciilifeform;software-on. 1383635;1453603196;asciilifeform;rotor will build on nintendo. 1383636;1453603198;mircea_popescu;then what is the bsd problem ? 1383637;1453603204;asciilifeform;building ~for~ 1383638;1453603209;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1383639;1453603224;asciilifeform;iirc nobody succeeded in building ~for~ it ? 1383640;1453603247;mircea_popescu;so you bring up your *bsd box, run rotor on it, does it build or doesn't it. 1383641;1453603248;asciilifeform;or hm, looks like userland caltrops prevent even v from running there 1383642;1453603264;mircea_popescu;right. so no, rotor doesn't "do this already". 1383643;1453603268;asciilifeform;aha 1383644;1453603288;asciilifeform;to which i say that it is braindamaged to expect the thing to build on arbitrary crud os 1383645;1453603294;asciilifeform;what, i also do a winblows toolchain now ? 1383646;1453603304;asciilifeform;vms? 1383647;1453603316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so if someone has a box that they're using, they can't run a bitcoin node there unless they run it under bitcoinos ? 1383648;1453603337;asciilifeform;build the linux variant ? 1383649;1453603347;asciilifeform;understand, if someone ~wants~ to maintain a nintendo port, let'em 1383650;1453603353;mircea_popescu;"bitcoinos" is a symbol here. may mean linux, whatever the fuck it means. 1383651;1453603365;asciilifeform;but 'runs for everybody on every kind of dead animal in a box' is a dead end goal 1383652;1453603395;mircea_popescu;and so what, we're officially targetting "anything that's unix post bsd pre systemd" ? 1383653;1453603404;asciilifeform;i dare say that expecting a vaguely linuxlike ~build environment~ is not unreasonable 1383654;1453603427;mircea_popescu;and so then bsd support, like windows or crapple support, would be a bolt-on ? 1383655;1453603433;asciilifeform;if somebody wants to maintain a parallel universe 'v' et al where the bsd flags make it go, i will take off my hat to them. 1383656;1453603434;asciilifeform;aha. 1383657;1453603454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well apparently phf was half-trying but no hats. 1383658;1453603471;mircea_popescu;phf you seriously considering maintaining a bsd rotor thing ? 1383659;1453603582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00056137 = 34.5243 BTC [+] {3} 1383660;1453603596;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo srsly why are you putting your uni library in the deedbot. 1383661;1453603618;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So that I don't have to link fiat uni web sites. 1383662;1453603634;mircea_popescu;hm. 1383663;1453603646;BingoBoingo;If reddit is to be denied links so ought they. 1383664;1453603667;BingoBoingo;In case the documents get "Oberlin'd" 1383665;1453603691;*;adlai notes that a) archive.is works for backup b) deedbot provides verification alone c) the blockchain works for paranoid-max backup, if you pay your way 1383666;1453603724;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah the part where your otherwise reasonable idea breaks down is where deedbot is not really a webservice 1383667;1453603731;mircea_popescu;even if currently available on web endpoint as well. 1383668;1453603856;BingoBoingo;Well, librarybot is still 18-36 months out. 1383669;1453603895;mircea_popescu;anyway. i suppose this entire compatibility general issue will need more thinking about. 1383670;1453603927;*;adlai is currently working on blockchain-databot or whatever's a better name 1383671;1453603937;mod6;yeah, very much so. a good conversation to have though, as our future roadmap depends on some early-on food for thought. 1383672;1453603944;adlai;SaaS (spam, spam, blockchain, spam) 1383673;1453604021;mircea_popescu;mod6 to my mind it's almost as if we bit a recursion girder over here. "v presses source". "ok how do i build it ?" "uh... i guess you need a v-make genesis and follow that for your os." "ok... how do i do that ?" "well... get v-make-make and..." 1383674;1453604026;mod6;i guess my thought is, if we wanna make bitcoinos - we will end up forking either SVR4 or BSD, and then getting married. 1383675;1453604043;adlai;the general goals being - get the data in there, as cheaply as possible, without same standards as http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 and some reasonable method to random-access without having to reconstruct the entire turd 1383676;1453604045;assbot;Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl ) 1383677;1453604054;adlai;s/out// blah 1383678;1453604067;mod6;so we may think of a different way of doing something like this, maybe it's not a full OS of sorts, maybe its a embedded deal. 1383679;1453604068;asciilifeform;adlai: why not also suggest placing it on mars ? 1383680;1453604071;asciilifeform;cheaper. 1383681;1453604076;mircea_popescu;mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass. 1383682;1453604094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trying to wiggle out from under this is misguided imho. 1383683;1453604098;asciilifeform;it is a logical necessity. 1383684;1453604111;mircea_popescu;im not making any calls here, just running the horse around the field. 1383685;1453604112;adlai;asciilifeform: because large amounts of data are worth paying small amounts of btc to immortalize, today; and small amounts of data will always be worth paying large amounts of btc to immortalize - even tomorrow. 1383686;1453604113;asciilifeform;just like missile guidance needs a particular kind of os 1383687;1453604117;asciilifeform;that you won't play tetris on 1383688;1453604124;asciilifeform;or even compile itself on. 1383689;1453604131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86600 @ 0.000562 = 48.6692 BTC [+] {2} 1383690;1453604142;*;adlai also got an upfront btc donation to do this so ~shrug~ 1383691;1453604149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but this faces you with the unpleasant choice of whether to not play tetris or not run bitcoin on your homebox. 1383692;1453604178;asciilifeform;i already have this choice with many other things 1383693;1453604189;mircea_popescu;see, that';s thje bitch here : missile guidance has to be on missile and there only. there's no benefit from it running on jane's computor. 1383694;1453604191;asciilifeform;e.g., i have a set of boxes for running winblowz virii on. 1383695;1453604197;asciilifeform;that are not fit for any other purpose 1383696;1453604203;mircea_popescu;nevertheless. 1383697;1453604214;asciilifeform;and many folks keep similar winblowz box for games, etc 1383698;1453604233;adlai;mircea_popescu: ever heard of 4th gen ATMs? (not the kind that gets skimmed) 1383699;1453604235;mircea_popescu;there's no space in the future for windows. 1383700;1453604243;mircea_popescu;so i'm not terribly interested in that line of thought. 1383701;1453604252;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mentioned on account of separate-box 1383702;1453604262;asciilifeform;there is no space in the future for commodore 64, and yet i have one 1383703;1453604268;asciilifeform;that was not the point. 1383704;1453604282;mircea_popescu;but i'm discussing YOUR HOME BOX. not some rando box you run. 1383705;1453604294;asciilifeform;from where comes this perverse scenario of 'one box' 1383706;1453604301;asciilifeform;serious toilet-kitchen separation problem 1383707;1453604311;mircea_popescu;do you have a system you work on ? 1383708;1453604314;asciilifeform;folks who 'one box' HAVE NO BUSINESS with bitcoin 1383709;1453604319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have several. 1383710;1453604332;mircea_popescu;sure. 1383711;1453604350;mircea_popescu;so you want to not be able to run bitcoin on them ? 1383712;1453604368;asciilifeform;perfectly happy to run it in vm on them, if it comes to it 1383713;1453604380;asciilifeform;(if we give it own os, with custom fs, etc) 1383714;1453604389;asciilifeform;the way i presently run msdos. 1383715;1453604392;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380428 1383716;1453604392;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 00:00:44; BingoBoingo: So next year will be 3 months to sync, 2018 4 months, 2019 5 months etc. 1383717;1453604397;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be a shitton cheaper to not need a vm layer if at all avoidable ? 1383718;1453604408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not if it gangrenes the code with #ifdefs. 1383719;1453604408;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass. << agree. I think that what I'm getting at is maybe it ends up being like cisco ios. 1383720;1453604425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is ifdefs REALLY the only way to do this ? 1383721;1453604427;polarbeard;bitcoinos would be based on what? I think that's the interesting part 1383722;1453604432;asciilifeform;the actual speed penalty of vmization is perhaps 10% 1383723;1453604438;mod6;its a thing, it gets flashed on to some firmware, and it basically just is, you can talk to it and use it, but it is its own thing. 1383724;1453604450;mircea_popescu;mod6 this i called the "pogo" approach to it. 1383725;1453604460;mircea_popescu;polarbeard that's an even sadder story. 1383726;1453604462;mod6;right. exactly similar to this. 1383727;1453604464;polarbeard;unikernel? 1383728;1453604464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bsd is retarded from the linux pov (or, if you're a bsd aficionado, vice-versa) 1383729;1453604478;mod6;yah yah, watch it ;) 1383730;1453604480;asciilifeform;polarbeard: based on trb. 1383731;1453604487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i guess most of the problem comes from that chasm. we're not the first to meet it. 1383732;1453604503;polarbeard;how do you talk with the cpu, memory, network, disk? 1383733;1453604523;mircea_popescu;polarbeard most of those will have to be written de novo, basically. esp the filesystem. 1383734;1453604538;asciilifeform;polarbeard: you open a book and read ? start with, e.g., tannenbaum ? 1383735;1453604542;mircea_popescu;(or from a security perspective, esp the cpu and memory) 1383736;1453604553;asciilifeform;polarbeard: or go to school, if you're the sort of person who goes in for that 1383737;1453604555;polarbeard;lol, ok, gl 1383738;1453604557;asciilifeform;(i happen to have done both) 1383739;1453604622;mircea_popescu;so basically my tentative takeaway here is that we'll mostly try to maintain broad linux-compatibility and try and help interested parties keep the wheels oiled and turning on stuff like bsd. 1383740;1453604650;mod6;yeah, for now. seems the most viable approach. 1383741;1453604664;mircea_popescu;but riddle me this : how does user know his openbsd make process isn't satan's own ? 1383742;1453604680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94029 @ 0.00056321 = 52.9581 BTC [+] {3} 1383743;1453604693;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383614 << whoawut? 1383744;1453604693;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 02:36:26; asciilifeform: tinyscheme welded onto trb 1383745;1453604694;mircea_popescu;seems we're slowly falling exactly into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382912 1383746;1453604694;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 18:15:49; mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11 1383747;1453604695;asciilifeform;how does linux user know ? 1383748;1453604702;mircea_popescu;"v is provably secure. now go build it!" 1383749;1453604708;mod6;this is perhaps were a seperate branch of V for bsd only comes in. or maybe i misunderstand. 1383750;1453604712;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thread concerned an experiment 1383751;1453604721;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that i am carrying out presently 1383752;1453604730;ben_vulpes;how does tinyscheme couple into ri source? 1383753;1453604734;asciilifeform;with hands. 1383754;1453604738;mircea_popescu;mod6 in the end we'll need a v thread for the source, one for the manual, one for linux make one for bsd make etc ? like 4 ? 1383755;1453604746;ben_vulpes;this is a wonder i would greatly like to see myself 1383756;1453604764;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i got it to compile ages ago, the tricky bit is to add useful tendrils into it 1383757;1453604777;asciilifeform;so you can meaningfully probe the living trb 1383758;1453604797;ben_vulpes;this'd be hooks into running bitcoind memory space and such? 1383759;1453604798;mod6;mircea_popescu: excellent point. 1383760;1453604800;asciilifeform;it runs in own thread, you telnet into it 1383761;1453604801;*;ben_vulpes mind boggles 1383762;1453604805;asciilifeform;very barbaric 1383763;1453604817;ben_vulpes;the shit these reversers can do 1383764;1453604832;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you added tinyscheme to have sexpr rather than json, and now you telnet into scheme ? 1383765;1453604838;asciilifeform;i'm not even 100% convinced that it isn't braindamaged yet, must be seen 1383766;1453604851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's my motherfucking tx debugger 1383767;1453604857;asciilifeform;dont like it, write me a new one, aha 1383768;1453604874;mircea_popescu;lol i'ma cook you some toilet soup in a moment! 1383769;1453604886;asciilifeform;mmm. 1383770;1453604889;mod6;haha 1383771;1453604939;mircea_popescu;understand mod6 : the thing that scared me above isnm't per se the fact that now we need 4, but that well... it grew. might be we're sitting on some unbounded complexity / a loose recursion tail. 1383772;1453604949;mircea_popescu;next week, 12 ? 255 ? 1383773;1453604961;mod6;sure, the whole: 1, 2, inf. problem. 1383774;1453604977;mircea_popescu;so this has to be pondered upon. 1383775;1453604977;asciilifeform;sorta why i say it has to converge. 1383776;1453604978;asciilifeform;to 1. 1383777;1453604981;asciilifeform;incl. hardware. 1383778;1453604996;asciilifeform;as in, canonical ~physical object~ 1383779;1453604999;asciilifeform;bits included. 1383780;1453604999;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing converges if the path to convergence is expensive. 1383781;1453605011;asciilifeform;aha, didn't say it has any danger of happening. 1383782;1453605016;asciilifeform;but that 'has to' 1383783;1453605022;asciilifeform;to work as intended. 1383784;1453605025;mircea_popescu;are you an engineer or a priest today ? 1383785;1453605074;*;asciilifeform is probably both, at least in re: professional life 1383786;1453605090;mircea_popescu;check it out, he no longer cleaves things :D 1383787;1453605102;asciilifeform;i promise to say if i ever manage to cleave these. 1383788;1453605159;mircea_popescu;incidentally in today's random : https://projects.csail.mit.edu/church/wiki/Models_with_Unbounded_Complexity 1383789;1453605161;assbot;Models with Unbounded Complexity - Church Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuWZhm ) 1383790;1453605209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's been playing with Church lang ?! 1383791;1453605223;mod6;asciilifeform: so are we basically, with rotor, able to not only build a static bitcoind, but couldn't we also build a flashable rom that contains said static binary - a flashable universe so to speak? 1383792;1453605238;mircea_popescu;no. i deny all such allegations at this time. 1383793;1453605240;asciilifeform;mod6: this was my original objective with pogo 1383794;1453605247;mod6;right. 1383795;1453605252;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's what started all this 1383796;1453605290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68850 @ 0.00055508 = 38.2173 BTC [-] {3} 1383797;1453605299;mod6;yah, i still think this might be a resonable path. but lot of thought still must go into this whole thing. tonight was a great discussion on it tho. 1383798;1453605327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy link, it very closely resembles an undergrad homework of mine 1383799;1453605346;mod6;does anyone else think that this is *not* a decent consideration at least? even taking into consideration the issues we ran into with pogo? 1383800;1453605358;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ? 1383801;1453605385;mod6;eh, sorry: does the idea of a flashable universe built from rotor still make sense. 1383802;1453605412;mircea_popescu;definitely. 1383803;1453605454;mod6;i think it could be pretty neat, in the end. 1383804;1453605508;mod6;you buy a flash rom (from S.NSA? or from local place you trust??) then get V, build a flashable universe, flash the card, drop it into some device and then you can talk to it over some wire from your work station 1383805;1453605543;mircea_popescu;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << this doesn't actually work, i've seen gb+ debug.logs 1383806;1453605544;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuTHee ) 1383807;1453605554;asciilifeform;mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer. 1383808;1453605554;mod6;(im just spitballing here) 1383809;1453605559;asciilifeform;we don't have a computer. 1383810;1453605560;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: good because I'm removing it 1383811;1453605571;mircea_popescu;it really doesn't belong anywhere. 1383812;1453605576;mircea_popescu; if (file && GetFilesize(file) > 10 * 1000000) 1383813;1453605584;mircea_popescu;can't even figure out a magic number, needs 2. 1383814;1453605590;polarbeard;do we agree in using an external tool for this? 1383815;1453605603;mircea_popescu;polarbeard do you understand how v and wot works ?\ 1383816;1453605650;polarbeard;I guess I do, but please follow 1383817;1453605664;mod6;<+asciilifeform> we don't have a computer. << well, this goes back to the same thing. currently we're married to some linux varient to do (future) building of flashable universe 1383818;1453605670;mircea_popescu;to put it in you'll have to sign it. if it turns out later to have a hole, people will negrate you. 1383819;1453605673;mircea_popescu;so read it eight times. 1383820;1453605713;asciilifeform;polarbeard: where i come from we have a proverb, 'the sapper errs - once.' 1383821;1453605729;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/the-sad-state-of-bitcoin-code/#selection-5307.1-5307.37 << taking out area #5307 ftw. 1383822;1453605730;assbot;The sad state of Bitcoin code on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuXsjC ) 1383823;1453605735;polarbeard;I'm building better logging in two steps, first I lay out better and prefixed messages, people can review that 1383824;1453605751;mircea_popescu;polarbeard you'll still have to sign it. there's no way out of this. 1383825;1453605780;polarbeard;sure, no problem with that 1383826;1453605797;mircea_popescu;so as they say, don't sign anything you might regret. 1383827;1453605807;mircea_popescu;fwiw i have a lot more faith in code someone read than in code someone wrote. 1383828;1453605818;polarbeard;oh well, my soul has already an owner 1383829;1453605818;mircea_popescu;the former implies the latter. 1383830;1453605921;polarbeard;returning to the retarded-rotator, will somebody miss it? 1383831;1453605945;polarbeard;it supposedly overwrites the log and (how considerate) leaves you a few lines from the old one 1383832;1453605950;mod6;not if someone builds something that works, and does not break anything. 1383833;1453605990;mircea_popescu;no. 1383834;1453605993;polarbeard;well, I use logrotate, but I'm a linux-lowlife 1383835;1453606018;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if something like char pch[200000]; is inside an if, what does the compiler usually do ? allocate it at program start or not ? 1383836;1453606087;polarbeard;inside a func? has to be called 1383837;1453606106;mircea_popescu;and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ? 1383838;1453606170;mod6;it should ask the os for 200k of mem, this should be allocated in pages (usually 4k ea. iirc) it may not be contiguos 1383839;1453606187;mircea_popescu;ah it doesn't want to get the whole byte ? 1383840;1453606190;mircea_popescu;i thought it did. 1383841;1453606198;mod6;no it shouldnt crash unless there is no more ram left available in the entire computer. 1383842;1453606205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00056432 = 21.9238 BTC [+] {3} 1383843;1453606205;mod6;i could be wrong here. 1383844;1453606234;mod6;asciilifeform: ? 1383845;1453606246;mircea_popescu;"// "Never go to sea with two chronometers; take one or three." Our three time sources are: System clock ; Median of other nodes's clocks ; The user (asking the user to fix the system clock if the first two disagree)" 1383846;1453606252;mircea_popescu;the more one reads, the less one likes. 1383847;1453606260;mircea_popescu;seriously, MEDIAN ? seriously, this is three ? fuck me. 1383848;1453606304;mircea_popescu;"never go to sea with two clocks. take one or three. so we're taking two but one has a special button to press to ask it if it's really sure. if it is it squaks audibly." 1383849;1453606317;mircea_popescu;"at least most of the time". 1383850;1453606367;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383521 << collapse is an exponential not a linear process. 1383851;1453606367;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 02:05:25; ben_vulpes: i thought there'd be about another 5 years before things got this nutso 1383852;1453606448;polarbeard;lol, I'm following the rabbit hole and it seems pszSetDataDir is not set if -datadir not given 1383853;1453606455;polarbeard;therefore never shittyrotating 1383854;1453606487;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: do you use -datadir? 1383855;1453606503;mircea_popescu;which is why nobody uses datadir, because wtf you do with munged 200kb logfiles. 1383856;1453606504;mod6;i do: 1383857;1453606505;mod6;# du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log 1383858;1453606506;mod6;12G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log 1383859;1453606515;polarbeard;ugh 1383860;1453606528;polarbeard;you use datadir but give the default dir? 1383861;1453606547;mircea_popescu;oh it doesn't work anyway ? 1383862;1453606555;mod6;no, i use /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin since mine is in an attached volume. 1383863;1453606567;mod6;not ~/.bitcoin 1383864;1453606615;polarbeard;allright, then shittyRotate() is there to give hope 1383865;1453606630;mircea_popescu;maybe it only works on windows 95. 1383866;1453606704;polarbeard;surely was introduced for it, windows users see logs as a feature 1383867;1453606721;mod6;which btw for testers is kinda nice -- you can make a really large volume and attach to which ever instance at will and keep your OS small, or swap it out easily without ever having to clobber your build/sandbox area 1383868;1453606998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00056453 = 13.2947 BTC [+] 1383869;1453607109;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer. << oh you're saying a target arch here? or? 1383870;1453607247;polarbeard;the quality of the error messages: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#1299 1383871;1453607248;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGn4R7 ) 1383872;1453607303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74209 @ 0.00056453 = 41.8932 BTC [+] 1383873;1453607320;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383835 << where ? 1383874;1453607320;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:26:58; mircea_popescu: incidentally, if something like char pch[200000]; is inside an if, what does the compiler usually do ? allocate it at program start or not ? 1383875;1453607336;asciilifeform;the answer depends on whether it is a global declaration or inside a function 1383876;1453607393;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383837 << if it were inside a function, the ~stack~ must contain that many contiguous free bts 1383877;1453607393;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:28:26; mircea_popescu: and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ? 1383878;1453607398;asciilifeform;or overflows. 1383879;1453607440;asciilifeform;if ~global~, the process data segment will be stretched to fit, and if os does not like this, process will get oomkilled on load 1383880;1453607451;mod6;the only place i can find that is in util.cpp:ShrinkDebugFile() 1383881;1453607470;polarbeard;that's the one 1383882;1453607475;mod6;char pch[200000]; 1383883;1453607484;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383848 << 1st time i saw this, i misread, 'two cocks' 1383884;1453607484;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:31:44; mircea_popescu: "never go to sea with two clocks. take one or three. so we're taking two but one has a special button to press to ask it if it's really sure. if it is it squaks audibly." 1383885;1453607556;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383869 << we don't have a computer that you can buy that makes this concept have a point 1383886;1453607556;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:45:09; mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer. << oh you're saying a target arch here? or? 1383887;1453607565;asciilifeform;(the os in flash thing) 1383888;1453607693;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383837 << if it were inside a function, the ~stack~ must contain that many contiguous free bts << i guess this makes sense. i dunno why i was thinking that it might not be. 1383889;1453607693;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:28:26; mircea_popescu: and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ? 1383890;1453607714;mod6;i gotta read up on paging again i guess. 1383891;1453607873;asciilifeform;mod6: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_prologue 1383892;1453607873;assbot;Function prologue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuYThX ) 1383893;1453607880;asciilifeform;^ basic mechanics 1383894;1453607912;asciilifeform;http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/09/06/stack-frame-layout-on-x86-64 << better picture 1383895;1453607913;assbot;Stack frame layout on x86-64 - Eli Bendersky's website ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuYTP4 ) 1383896;1453607918;asciilifeform;^ for n00bz 1383897;1453607990;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_prologue << yup, know about this from asm stuff i've done. 1383898;1453607990;assbot;Function prologue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuYThX ) 1383899;1453607994;mod6;thanks for the links tho 1383900;1453608014;asciilifeform;so then you know what it means to allocate on the stack. 1383901;1453608065;mod6;ya, i think i was just confusing some kern shit that i'd read. 1383902;1453608215;mod6;memory allocation is done by the os at runtime. when you ask for some bytes, there are kern mechinisms that handle this request, are there not? 1383903;1453608226;asciilifeform;heap 1383904;1453608235;asciilifeform;;;google sbrk 1383905;1453608236;gribble;sbrk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; sbrk(2): change data segment size - Linux man page: ; brk - The Open Group: 1383906;1453608341;*;mod6 pulls out the book 1383907;1453608490;asciilifeform;and hah, looks like mircea_popescu said 'inside an if' 1383908;1453608501;asciilifeform;so this means in function, on the stack. 1383909;1453608693;mod6;ya 1383910;1453608889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.000557 = 24.3409 BTC [-] {2} 1383911;1453608977;mod6;maybe i was just remembering this: "Most machine architectures provide a contiguous virutal address space for processes. Some machine architectures, however, choose to partition visibly a process's virtual address space into regious termed segments [intel, 1984]. 1383912;1453609074;mod6;Such segments usually must be phyiscally contiguous in main memory and must begin at fixed addresses. We shall be concenred with only those systems that do not visibly segment their virtual address space." 1383913;1453609105;mod6;*shrug* 1383914;1453609151;mod6;This is from: Design & Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System by McKusick 1383915;1453610758;mod6;anyway, yah, its not like it called malloc or whatever, its on the stack. i am retard. 1383916;1453611500;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1383917;1453611508;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2582.0, vol: 67307.60100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2582.0 1383918;1453611512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33007 @ 0.00055871 = 18.4413 BTC [+] {2} 1383919;1453611756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52730 @ 0.00056453 = 29.7677 BTC [+] 1383920;1453612375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was inside function. 1383921;1453612650;mircea_popescu;but in happier news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/0ff0aff9dffec8a9a978794148cd219e/tumblr_mjw7i4bmlm1qfaf1fo1_1280.jpg 1383922;1453612652;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsMkm8 ) 1383923;1453612766;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the gf-nordstorm graph is pretty cool, you made it ? 1383924;1453612827;mircea_popescu;apparently not. 1383925;1453612999;ben_vulpes;i most certainly did! 1383926;1453613173;mircea_popescu;then why does it say blqabla.com on the bottom? 1383927;1453613300;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/01/23_money-trust-and-the-wild-wild-web-a-socioeconomic-history-of-ssl-or-that-green-lock-symbol-in-your-browser.html#fn.7 1383928;1453613301;assbot;Money, Trust, and the Wild Wild Web (A socioeconomic history of SSL, or that green lock symbol in your browser) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsN7n0 ) 1383929;1453613303;*;BingoBoingo finally stitching together popular hegelian piece since slow news weekend 1383930;1453613330;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: footnote just for you, baby 1383931;1453613373;ben_vulpes;hrm that reorder's the piece's footnotes 1383932;1453613379;ben_vulpes;AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1383933;1453613385;ben_vulpes;i fucking hate my webthing. 1383934;1453613449;mircea_popescu;that;s a good thing. 1383935;1453613538;ben_vulpes;why? people's links will break if i go back and add intervening footnotes. 1383936;1453613578;mircea_popescu;and references break if guy goes back and adds pages in the middle of his book wtf. 1383937;1453613641;mircea_popescu;and if you write "shoez rulez" today and then change it to "shoez sux srsly" next week, people's idea of your idea of shoes also breaks. 1383938;1453613737;ben_vulpes;so what, i ditch current shitty static site generator and tell everyone who linked to shit previously to get fucked and find the new linxz? 1383939;1453613758;ben_vulpes;i thought la serenissima's webfacists hated linkrot 1383940;1453613762;BingoBoingo;Kinda why eventual #b-a library where people put text from outside the wot for preservation from molestation would have some similarity to deeding. 1383941;1453613766;ben_vulpes;i personally dgaf. it's my server. 1383942;1453613775;ben_vulpes;move the files wherever i want 1383943;1453613785;ben_vulpes;*cartman head wobble* 1383944;1453613861;mircea_popescu;suppose you think about what you wanna say, say it, and then let it be ? 1383945;1453613869;mircea_popescu;can't turn the whole web into a signal processor. 1383946;1453614000;ben_vulpes;i do not see what relationship the directory structure has to the things i have said, other than they expose the retarded toolchain i used to get them on the public net in the first place. 1383947;1453614014;ben_vulpes;all that aside, when i finally ditch this thing, i will preserve the shit that's already on disk. 1383948;1453614055;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at feminist camp, http://49.media.tumblr.com/c9f987d117dbe8e493a4861958689f15/tumblr_n7emvhuFmg1rv5wh5o1_400.gif 1383949;1453614056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsNQVq ) 1383950;1453614218;ben_vulpes;hahaha 1383951;1453614241;ben_vulpes;it's usually the captions or contextuality of mircea_popescu's pr0n that gets me lolling 1383952;1453614267;mircea_popescu;lol 1383953;1453614299;ben_vulpes;heh i am still snickering about that one 1383954;1453614333;ben_vulpes;hey does anyone have suggestions for a non-retarded display manager? 1383955;1453614343;ben_vulpes;for once in my short life i would like to not piss on a fence. 1383956;1453614358;ben_vulpes;something that looks hella nineties would be top notch 1383957;1453614708;BingoBoingo;dwm 1383958;1453614995;BingoBoingo;http://dwm.suckless.org/ 1383959;1453614996;assbot;suckless.org dwm - dynamic window manager ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZVEazh ) 1383960;1453615111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00055871 = 3.9668 BTC [-] 1383961;1453615282;ben_vulpes;nah all i need is the display manager, i'm going to use emacs for window mgmt 1383962;1453615925;ben_vulpes;;;ud hackin 1383963;1453615926;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hackin | hackin'. a different way to say freakin/fuckin. its an adjective. fred on youtube uses it a lot. Fred: Hey, it's Fred! And I'm really hackin' mad right now because Judy ... 1383964;1453616026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202400 @ 0.00055692 = 112.7206 BTC [-] {7} 1383965;1453616636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00056489 = 35.4186 BTC [+] {2} 1383966;1453618222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19715 @ 0.0005637 = 11.1133 BTC [-] 1383967;1453618539;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Drones… sono finiti! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/24/drones-sono-finiti/ 1383968;1453618832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5886 @ 0.00056004 = 3.2964 BTC [-] {2} 1383969;1453618848;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383497 << "excuse me sir, i have an ear infucktion. i cunt hear you." 1383970;1453618848;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 01:51:14; adlai: fwiw friend who teaches classics at a usg 'prep school' attests to having had a student excused from any and all performance standards due to APD (which stands for 'auditory processing disorder') 1383971;1453618977;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383534 << "and we DEMAND that you hire useless hobos" 1383972;1453618977;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 02:10:26; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle." 1383973;1453619151;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/a/yFUTu << in other humour, citi's willem buiter has a new nickname for us "cyber boys" 1383974;1453619152;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/20lQeXd ) 1383975;1453619180;pete_dushenski;though buiter is right about the silliness of bitcoin tx being costless. such strawman. 1383976;1453619218;pete_dushenski;http://www.businessinsider.com/one-couple-lived-off-food-waste-for-6-months-2016-1?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=referral#/%23about-60-of-consumers-are-throwing-food-away-prematurely-because-they-dont-understand-what-the-dates-are-telling-them-explained-gunders-4 << one for asciilifeform 1383977;1453619219;assbot;One couple lived off food waste for 6 months - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/20lQl54 ) 1383978;1453619354;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: is this a 'freegan' thing? 1383979;1453619357;mircea_popescu;"cyber boys" as opposed to what, banking girls ? 1383980;1453619386;ben_vulpes;http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/24/drones-sono-finiti/#footnote_1_6779 << i swear to god i read this elsewhere recently 1383981;1453619387;assbot;Drones… sono finiti! | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ju1j4o ) 1383982;1453619392;mircea_popescu;lol derp, "this thing that happened shows that this thing i presume is correct because reasons so ergo!" 1383983;1453619426;mircea_popescu;!rate willem buiter -1 lolz 1383984;1453619426;assbot;Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. 1383985;1453619438;pete_dushenski;huh. great minds or something 1383986;1453619456;pete_dushenski;^ ben_vulpes 1383987;1453619459;ben_vulpes;either that or i'm living a week in the future somehow 1383988;1453619483;pete_dushenski;hi ben, it's the future calling, gentoo all ready to go, sir ! 1383989;1453619514;ben_vulpes;NOT YET LOL 1383990;1453619528;ben_vulpes;i mean some bits of it work 1383991;1453619535;ben_vulpes;but i think i need to recompile the kernel 1383992;1453619536;ben_vulpes;again 1383993;1453619538;ben_vulpes;still now 1383994;1453619542;ben_vulpes;now again 1383995;1453619545;ben_vulpes;again now 1383996;1453619562;BingoBoingo;The Joys of Sobriety: Going back to read yourself from 2014 and being pleasantly surprised with something you completely dissolved the memory of having written in industrial solvent. 1383997;1453619612;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: at this rate imma completely give up and just run 10.6 1383998;1453619634;ben_vulpes;put gentoo in a vm for building ri's 1383999;1453619635;pete_dushenski;alf has a copy ready and waiting. nib. 1384000;1453619640;ben_vulpes;miserable fucking workflow. 1384001;1453619679;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i think those shit-spreaders were less of a 'freegan' and more of a 'let's see what it's like to be derpizens of the great nation of afrika'. fwiw. 1384002;1453619684;ben_vulpes;lol wut and now it simply refuses to boot! 1384003;1453619691;pete_dushenski;LMAO 1384004;1453619710;ben_vulpes;after five reboots in a row it just gives up! 1384005;1453619718;pete_dushenski;just send alf your mailing address already ? 1384006;1453619732;ben_vulpes;"software never fails" but the flesh apparently is very fucking weak. 1384007;1453619747;ben_vulpes;> marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle 1384008;1453619861;ben_vulpes;shoulda listened to trinque. 1384009;1453619895;ben_vulpes;AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1384010;1453619915;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383609 << in my own aforementioned article. thankfully, archive.is has a pretty healthy stock of tlp. (not that i found any other broken links there lately) 1384011;1453619915;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 02:35:25; adlai: pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :) 1384012;1453620042;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: you can't not pee on ~all~ the fences. 1384013;1453620174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00056568 = 35.3267 BTC [+] {3} 1384014;1453620497;*;ben_vulpes dd's the 10.6 installer onto the flash drive one last time 1384015;1453620967;pete_dushenski;it's wild how much more organised 10.6 is than 10.8. the latter ~always~ bunged up dates. when trying to organise a folder by "date modified", the latest documents would almost invariably end up in their own speshul sub-heading waaay at the bottom of the list under "no date". but then once in a while, not. for whatever reason. 1384016;1453621031;pete_dushenski;i don't think anything drove me more nutso when using 10.8 than the inability to find a file in a folder you ~just~ placed it in moments earlier. 1384017;1453621136;ben_vulpes;and el cap is second system shitgnomery incarnate 1384018;1453621200;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383805 << i saw 2+ gb just from a couple of failed trb build attempts. it was like 2.7 gigs iirc. "bitcoin is not for the poor (who can't afford hd space)" (tm) (r) 1384019;1453621200;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:03; mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << this doesn't actually work, i've seen gb+ debug.logs 1384020;1453621231;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: that's a thoroughly frightening prospect. 1384021;1453621299;ben_vulpes;no you know what i have one more fence to piss upon 1384022;1453621301;ben_vulpes;UBUNTU 1384023;1453621307;ben_vulpes;that is how desperate i am to get off of os x. 1384024;1453621387;guruvan;ben_vulpes: just get you a boot2docker, and then run whatever the hell you want - use the OSX like a hypervisor :D 1384025;1453621387;pete_dushenski;the old osen come with their own limitations, however, like not being able to render random websites, eg. http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/14/they-dont-print-paper-catalogues-anymore-everythings-on-their-website/ (oakley's - which i only ever managed to use on... ios8 ipad) 1384026;1453621389;assbot;“They don’t print paper catalogues anymore, everything’s on their website.” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxosOd ) 1384027;1453621426;ben_vulpes;guruvan: i am not running my primary os in a container, thank you very much. 1384028;1453621435;guruvan;:) 1384029;1453621444;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i tried 14 for a few days. couldn't believe how laggy it was. haven't tried 10 (or whatever the b-a approved one was) 1384030;1453621446;ben_vulpes;ftr i /have done this/ 1384031;1453621481;ben_vulpes;edited code in emacs, booted container for reference implementation builds 1384032;1453621492;ben_vulpes;shat elfs onto server for testing 1384033;1453621534;ben_vulpes;openbsd at least installed, booted trivially, and ran emacs under x11. 1384034;1453621544;ben_vulpes;but reference implementation? no, get fucked it said. 1384035;1453621611;ben_vulpes;it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains 1384036;1453621634;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383894 << spiffy 1384037;1453621634;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:58:32; asciilifeform: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/09/06/stack-frame-layout-on-x86-64 << better picture 1384038;1453621638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056116 = 14.5902 BTC [-] {4} 1384039;1453621686;ben_vulpes;shit, i even reconsider the /past three years/ of toolchain investment on weekends like this. 1384040;1453621702;ben_vulpes;pick a side i said. 1384041;1453621927;phf;openbsd patch as written results in a working build on both linux and openbsd. it introduces necessary ifdefs to ensure cross platform support. the only change that it does to makefile is, at least according to my research, is necessary with some versions of gcc, rather then openbsd specific (has to do with static linking of pthread). without that change build ~can~ produce broken static bitcoind on both openbsd and linux. at the time 1384042;1453621928;phf;when it was written and submitted it applied cleanly to the tree. to my knowledge it doesn't interfere with stator build. in fact the whole point of patch is to make minimally intrusive changes to source so that interested parties don't have to track down silly issues when attempting a build on their own. it's my understanding that the patch was simply dropped during v-ification, so of course now it doesn't in any way fits into 1384043;1453621928;phf;pressing. 1384044;1453621977;ben_vulpes;phf: i have a hunch that it was my boost compiles that were failing. 1384045;1453622006;pete_dushenski;just noticed that crapple is pulling the same version naming strange as bitcoin 'core', ie. v. x.9 followed by x.10, x.11, x.12, etc. (is this the equiv. of web 2.12 ?) 1384046;1453622014;ben_vulpes;still trying to get the hang of the m1a1, very much adrift in the cockpit of a warthog. 1384047;1453622048;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: it's been an alternative scheme for as long as i can remember 1384048;1453622055;ben_vulpes;x.6 ~ 10.6 1384049;1453622061;mircea_popescu;phf how can it be dropped i dont get this ? 1384050;1453622101;mircea_popescu;in random good unix news : shuf -n 1 $file will pop out a random line from that file. 1384051;1453622105;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: maybe it's just the coincidence that's being picked up on my gaydar then. 1384052;1453622187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112350 @ 0.00056689 = 63.6901 BTC [+] {5} 1384053;1453622244;pete_dushenski;that being said, i've always thought that version numbers should "roll over" at a certain point. not like mac os8 went 43372 sub-versions before macos 9 showed up. eh. i guess it really doesn't matter. 1384054;1453622280;*;pete_dushenski back to reading about x86_64 1384055;1453622339;phf;mircea_popescu: well, openbsd and timestamp are written in old diff format, their migration was not done by foundation when majority of patches were moved to vdiff. i interpreted that move as the patches not being needed and an invitation to perform migration myself. 1384056;1453622386;mircea_popescu;i think the migration was done by patch authors rly. 1384057;1453622387;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] The Theoretical Foundation of Social Engineering Practice - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/ 1384058;1453622423;mircea_popescu;anyway, do i get the impression you got the impression your patches aren't welcome or something ? 1384059;1453622566;phf;well, first v release was migrated by ascii, with all the patches signed by him, i think later mod6 signed his? 1384060;1453622711;mircea_popescu;possibru 1384061;1453622841;BingoBoingo;If asciilifeform reads and tests what he signs the openbsd patch would have been missed. Timestamp may have been overlooked. 1384062;1453622980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113350 @ 0.00055488 = 62.8956 BTC [-] {2} 1384063;1453623047;*;BingoBoingo can finally read ben_vulpes on SSL 1384064;1453623235;phf;one of the features of the openbsd patch is that it should build cleanly on linux, i.e. naive build or a stator build. i did a naive build that work, while i was developing, but since i assume it was not included in stator i can't speak to that. 1384065;1453623413;phf;basically the patch being dropped created bunch of work for me, that i don't have bandwidth to pursue. (i.e. produce a v version, test on stator) 1384066;1453623415;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: "The correct answer is that developed and practiced by people who take personal cryptographic hygenie very seriously" << hygiene 1384067;1453623459;phf;otherwise the work needs to be done by other foundation members, and it comes with commitment to support openbsd build 1384068;1453623537;phf;as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly 1384069;1453623674;mircea_popescu;i guess that makes sense. 1384070;1453623676;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/8jQls63.jpg 1384071;1453623677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjRQgo ) 1384072;1453623875;pete_dushenski;i'm out. cheers ! 1384073;1453624200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44601 @ 0.00055644 = 24.8178 BTC [+] {2} 1384074;1453624261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40441 @ 0.00055814 = 22.5717 BTC [+] 1384075;1453625664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67358 @ 0.00055502 = 37.385 BTC [-] 1384076;1453625786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112195 @ 0.00055491 = 62.2581 BTC [-] {3} 1384077;1453626025;phf;mircea_popescu: ok, so i wouldn't say not welcome, but since neither patch was given a courtesy of a smooth transition, i assumed that neither are seen as particularly important. спасение утопающих дело рук самих утопающих (tm) (r) 1384078;1453626457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00055474 = 27.2377 BTC [-] {3} 1384079;1453626541;BingoBoingo;"Maybe we aren't seeing heaven because one of us is a J-O-O" -Eric Cartman 1384080;1453627574;punkman;well that was a lot of log 1384081;1453627602;BingoBoingo;Much log, lots of content 1384082;1453627915;mircea_popescu;phf i think you're reading too much into it. 1384083;1453627958;mircea_popescu;besides, nobody's drowning. 1384084;1453627963;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/gZxnXJu.jpg 1384085;1453627964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WGtsHf ) 1384086;1453628196;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 had a few threads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316722 1384087;1453628196;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this? 1384088;1453628196;assbot;Logged on 05-11-2015 02:44:58; trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing 1384089;1453628228;punkman;I suspect that using the plog library (after some win32-snipping) would remove more lines than it adds 1384090;1453628287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20689 @ 0.00055855 = 11.5558 BTC [+] {4} 1384091;1453628361;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383855 << I haven't had any problems using custom datadirs 1384092;1453628361;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:35:03; mircea_popescu: which is why nobody uses datadir, because wtf you do with munged 200kb logfiles. 1384093;1453628659;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 << if by external you mean: does not introduce further dependencies into the codebase, maybe, depending on the tool 1384094;1453628659;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this? 1384095;1453628665;ben_vulpes;also lol what /we/ who are /you/? 1384096;1453629019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00055874 = 19.0251 BTC [+] 1384097;1453629325;BingoBoingo;Ah, Rubio. Now BitBet's sole favorite for the Republican nomination. https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ 1384098;1453629325;assbot;BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (54%) on Yes, 0.47 B (46%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 39`117 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 ) 1384099;1453629614;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/x4JAc 1384100;1453629615;assbot;Catfishing is real, and it can be hurtful. : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsdDDy ) 1384101;1453629873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00055874 = 27.3224 BTC [+] 1384102;1453630110;ben_vulpes;http://jezebel.com/britney-spears-good-at-math-1747547324 << i have examined this and found it lulzy 1384103;1453630111;assbot;Britney Spears Good at Math ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qsea8y ) 1384104;1453630422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53005 @ 0.0005552 = 29.4284 BTC [-] {3} 1384105;1453631806;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383561 << wtf? that is not at all the issue! 1384106;1453631806;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 02:26:40; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this. 1384107;1453632105;phf;the ~only~ "script" aspect of the patch is "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which is a cross platform gcc argument that ensure that pthread is truly fully statically linked into bitcoind. the issue that some parts of it don't appear consistently with openbsd gcc ~and also on some of the linux gcc versions~. fucking says so in the original email 1384108;1453632817;phf;everything else in there is either cross platform clarification or straight up an #ifdef. it's a tiny ass patch, if it doesn't build on rotor, linux, etc. it's a bug in a patch 1384109;1453633019;ben_vulpes;i only had the opportunity to test it recently, failed to even build prerequsites and so cannot sign it. i also do not intend to build another openbsd system in the immediate future. 1384110;1453633106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69297 @ 0.00055895 = 38.7336 BTC [+] {2} 1384111;1453633152;phf;ben_vulpes: of course, that bsd patch doesn't stand in isolation. it was produced at a certain time, was since used by several people to build a version. but there's nothing to sign, because there's only pre-v patch 1384112;1453633154;ben_vulpes;i do envy everyone the vast panoply of device families apparently covered. 1384113;1453633594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87971 @ 0.00056333 = 49.5567 BTC [+] {3} 1384114;1453634326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24658 @ 0.00056659 = 13.971 BTC [+] 1384115;1453635485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.0005632 = 14.8122 BTC [-] {2} 1384116;1453635851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00056659 = 23.8534 BTC [+] 1384117;1453639336;punkman;http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_development.shtml 1384118;1453639338;assbot;The Short History of GCC development ... ( http://bit.ly/20meIQb ) 1384119;1453639434;punkman;"Why are we doing this? It's become increasingly clear in the course of hacking events that the FSF's needs for gcc2 are at odds with the objectives of many in the community who have done lots of hacking and improvement over the years. GCC is part of the FSF's publicity for the GNU project, as well as being the GNU system's compiler, so stability is paramount for them. On the other hand, 1384120;1453639434;punkman;Cygnus, the Linux folks, the pgcc folks, the Fortran folks and many others have done development work which has not yet gone into the GCC2 tree despite years of efforts to make it possible." 1384121;1453639708;punkman;"As FSF GCC died a silent death from malnutrition, both were (formally) reunited as of version 2.95 in April 1999.  With a simple renaming trick, egcs became gcc now and formally the split was over" 1384122;1453640731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159250 @ 0.00056167 = 89.4459 BTC [-] {4} 1384123;1453641158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47049 @ 0.00056368 = 26.5206 BTC [+] {3} 1384124;1453641280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00056534 = 44.6053 BTC [+] 1384125;1453641646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56101 @ 0.00056534 = 31.7161 BTC [+] 1384126;1453642073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84980 @ 0.00056251 = 47.8021 BTC [-] {3} 1384127;1453642256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75629 @ 0.00055647 = 42.0853 BTC [-] {2} 1384128;1453642500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108631 @ 0.00055647 = 60.4499 BTC [-] 1384129;1453642988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00055698 = 9.9254 BTC [+] 1384130;1453643476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40435 @ 0.00055647 = 22.5009 BTC [-] {2} 1384131;1453643781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00055647 = 9.0148 BTC [-] 1384132;1453644452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.00056607 = 39.0022 BTC [+] {2} 1384133;1453644879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00056629 = 28.5976 BTC [+] {4} 1384134;1453646221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00056518 = 37.3019 BTC [-] {2} 1384135;1453646344;mircea_popescu;phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist. 1384136;1453646404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78800 @ 0.00056519 = 44.537 BTC [+] 1384137;1453646414;mircea_popescu;"About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people. 1384138;1453646494;adlai;educational holes; haven't read Анна Каренина, perhaps 1384139;1453647075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120250 @ 0.00055647 = 66.9155 BTC [-] 1384140;1453647554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whaddyamean 0 1384141;1453647575;mircea_popescu;what do you see in there |? 1384142;1453647613;asciilifeform;perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi 1384143;1453647750;mircea_popescu;but the list of things he presents is enough to deduce they have nothing in common. 1384144;1453647769;mircea_popescu;"we both say $word about heavily advertised meaningless franchise". hurr. 1384145;1453647819;mircea_popescu;"she would never take a left on west 83rd at 6pm on a tuesday. i know this on the basis of her $word starwars." 1384146;1453647825;asciilifeform;l0l 1384147;1453647845;mircea_popescu;predictive value of a half eaten linseed. 1384148;1453648021;asciilifeform;ah i finally parsed the thing correctly, when he wrote 'talked that night' it was probably not in the flesh 1384149;1453648088;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384135 << i have an openbsd box. but i haven't booted it in over a year, and can't bring myself to. because it is FUCKING LOATHESOME: 1384150;1453648088;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 14:39:04; mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist. 1384151;1453648090;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1365965 1384152;1453648090;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 03:34:08; asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus 1384153;1453648105;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-09-2015#1273965 1384154;1453648105;assbot;Logged on 14-09-2015 17:42:55; ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me. 1384155;1453648115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you don't like it. what of it? 1384156;1453648122;asciilifeform;so i won't maintain for it. 1384157;1453648128;asciilifeform;i tried... 1384158;1453648128;mircea_popescu;well yes but we're discussing him 1384159;1453648180;asciilifeform;if he wants to maintain a parallel universe, and it doesn't in any serious way inconvenience the actual universe, i will say only kind things. 1384160;1453648278;asciilifeform;thing is, at least the way i understood it, the whole ~point~ of openbsd was as a fortress against poetteringization. and it appears to be in ruins, based on above 1384161;1453648290;asciilifeform;i can haz emacs without dbus ~here~ 1384162;1453648295;asciilifeform;even on the most heathen linux 1384163;1453648345;asciilifeform;and recall the incident with theo and his 'friends' 1384164;1453648381;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, these must be decisions people take for themselves. 1384165;1453648389;asciilifeform;in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die 1384166;1453648398;asciilifeform;but this is just my own judgement. 1384167;1453648484;asciilifeform;did anybody ever try to get theo to appear here ? 1384168;1453648496;asciilifeform;i'd much like to hear what the man has to say for himself. 1384169;1453648630;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384102 << so REAL maths folks eschew line breaks!!11 who knew?! 1384170;1453648630;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 10:08:30; ben_vulpes: http://jezebel.com/britney-spears-good-at-math-1747547324 << i have examined this and found it lulzy 1384171;1453648641;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383435 << maybe "god" is just anthropomorphic personification of "universe" 1384172;1453648641;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 00:05:24; danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God 1384173;1453648767;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box 1384174;1453648767;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 07:46:51; ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains 1384175;1453648790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i personally don't. there's a common disease of whores (and no, programmers aren't fundamentally anything else). it manifests like so : should a wolf find a delicious morsel, it will neglect it oft to the point of just letting it sit while it draws a perimeter around and inspects for whence it came for and MOAR. meanwhile, a mouse that found a morsel will grab it and run, never to return. 1384176;1453648800;asciilifeform;originally i thought that it would have to be a gentoo vm, but turns out that one can actually build a genuine toolchain there ! and it runs... 1384177;1453648820;mircea_popescu;i see it lots with online hos, you'd think that if you got easy money once, you'd never leave that place. but not so if you KNOW you're not worth anyone's time, deep down. 1384178;1453648828;mircea_popescu;and so... i'm not particularly curious. 1384179;1453648893;asciilifeform;i thought the stereotypical whoredom is to go, at the drop of a hat, to where it smells of moar money ?! 1384180;1453648900;asciilifeform;and of programmer-whoring especially? 1384181;1453648903;mircea_popescu;nope. that's baseless slander. 1384182;1453648906;mircea_popescu;that is the queenly behaviour. 1384183;1453648931;mircea_popescu;ie, "i say whore because she won't fuck me" vs "i say whore because whatevs" 1384184;1453648964;asciilifeform;queenly ? 1384185;1453648998;mircea_popescu;yeah. the requisite behaviour of the wife of the king. 1384186;1453649041;asciilifeform;sorta like lioness ovulates as soon as the old cubs are recycled, aha 1384187;1453649062;asciilifeform;this makes sense 1384188;1453649062;mircea_popescu;hey, nobody said reality won't stink. 1384189;1453649116;mircea_popescu;but generally, as an aspiring young lord, you don't have either the time or the resources to spend any time or resources with any women that would settle for anything but the best they can possibly get. 1384190;1453649136;polarbeard;is this the beginning of shitty i18n?: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0102 1384191;1453649137;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/23lN5ZT ) 1384192;1453649145;mircea_popescu;which is why "well breed" old guard products don't usually carry much value with the treason that just prospered. 1384193;1453649240;polarbeard;should we kill it? grep " _(" bitcoin/src/* | wc -l -> 58 1384194;1453649263;mircea_popescu;polarbeard "I'd get it one piece at a time. And it wouldn't cost me a dime..." 1384195;1453649321;polarbeard;seems reasonable 1384196;1453650051;mircea_popescu;http://warontherocks.com/2016/01/killing-anwar-targeting-jihadi-propagandists-is-only-part-of-the-solution/ << in other lulzy lulz, from the "lalala i can't hear you" files. 1384197;1453650052;assbot;Killing Anwar: Targeting Jihadi Propagandists is Only Part of the Solution ... ( http://bit.ly/1nhlHLA ) 1384198;1453650121;mircea_popescu;"Killing and Communicating to Victory 1384199;1453650122;mircea_popescu;Killing Awlaki unfortunately did not prevent his propaganda from influencing the minds of people who killed innocent people after he was gone. " 1384200;1453650189;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at home, http://www.blackagendareport.com/black_community_control_police 1384201;1453650191;assbot;Freedom Rider: Black Community Control of the Police and the Politicians | Black Agenda Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1nhlU1r ) 1384202;1453651040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00055804 = 35.5471 BTC [+] 1384203;1453653724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00055804 = 7.5056 BTC [+] 1384204;1453654395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.00055895 = 42.2566 BTC [+] {2} 1384205;1453654945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59358 @ 0.00055709 = 33.0677 BTC [-] {3} 1384206;1453655005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28083 @ 0.00055537 = 15.5965 BTC [-] 1384207;1453656408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99550 @ 0.00056059 = 55.8067 BTC [+] {4} 1384208;1453657243;punkman;https://blockchain.info/en/charts/hash-rate?timespan=all&showDataPoints=true&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= 1384209;1453657244;assbot;Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/1nHHjRP ) 1384210;1453657261;punkman;1 exahash 1384211;1453657323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29465 @ 0.00055537 = 16.364 BTC [-] {2} 1384212;1453657363;punkman;;;nethash 1384213;1453657364;gribble;930625625.639 1384214;1453657534;punkman;gribble's nethash reads from this http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-3D.txt , in case anyone wants to run a script 1384215;1453657534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nHHUmA ) 1384216;1453657750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46440 @ 0.00055523 = 25.7849 BTC [-] {2} 1384217;1453657762;jurov;!gettrust assbot sipa 1384218;1453657763;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user sipa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=sipa | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/sipa/ 1384219;1453657807;punkman;3D means 3day estimate so it hasn't hit yet http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png 1384220;1453657808;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UkAsZ0 ) 1384221;1453657811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00055476 = 1.1428 BTC [-] 1384222;1453658075;punkman;next stop, 1 zettahash :D 1384223;1453658190;punkman;;;interval 1384224;1453658192;gribble;536.6459627329193 1384225;1453658787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16178 @ 0.00055476 = 8.9749 BTC [-] {2} 1384226;1453658848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145308 @ 0.00055393 = 80.4905 BTC [-] {2} 1384227;1453659397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80014 @ 0.00056208 = 44.9743 BTC [+] {2} 1384228;1453660556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62145 @ 0.00056235 = 34.9472 BTC [+] {2} 1384229;1453661044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00055377 = 37.4902 BTC [-] {3} 1384230;1453661166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056381 = 27.2884 BTC [+] {3} 1384231;1453661690;ben_vulpes;did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? 1384232;1453661715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.00056483 = 37.9283 BTC [+] {2} 1384233;1453662081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71065 @ 0.00055375 = 39.3522 BTC [-] {2} 1384234;1453662142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36246 @ 0.00055369 = 20.069 BTC [-] 1384235;1453662174;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml? 1384236;1453662174;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 15:19:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384035 << this is lulzy in re: how i recently had to set up a complete orchestra on an apple box 1384237;1453663790;mircea_popescu; did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one. 1384238;1453663911;ben_vulpes;I personally don't understand the reasons beyond "it's the right thing to do with the reference implementation, dummy. also, fuck drepper." 1384239;1453663968;mircea_popescu;do you understand why your apple "computers" suck ? 1384240;1453664155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3381 @ 0.00056477 = 1.9095 BTC [+] 1384241;1453664216;ben_vulpes;a glib answer'd be "because steve died", a more pragmatic one "because they don't compile the bitcoin reference implementation", but i don't think either of those are what you're thinking. 1384242;1453664277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68374 @ 0.00056108 = 38.3633 BTC [-] {2} 1384243;1453664307;mircea_popescu;mkay, let's take something else. why does buying a russian bride online suck ? 1384244;1453664438;kakobrekla;high fees 1384245;1453664465;mircea_popescu;what's "high" even mean yet. 1384246;1453664482;ben_vulpes;no returns, no way to know if she's even minimally acceptable to spend time with, no way to know if she can suck cock... 1384247;1453664498;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but none of these are the core of the matter. suppose you buy one, and i give you another. 1384248;1453664505;punkman;ben_vulpes: static because for one, hoping user has the right openssl/bdb/etc shared lib version results in forks 1384249;1453664507;mircea_popescu;how would you know you got a DIFFERENT one ? 1384250;1453664565;ben_vulpes;laptop or bride, they'd be...separate physical instantiations of 'bride' or 'nut-frier'? 1384251;1453664591;*;ben_vulpes is having a 'not enough lsd' moment 1384252;1453664625;mircea_popescu;but think about it. suppose i loan you one of my slavegirls, and you bring her back, except you bring me back a different woman. 1384253;1453664629;mircea_popescu;how would my complaint sound ? 1384254;1453664650;ben_vulpes;ah 1384255;1453664657;ben_vulpes;bitwise identity 1384256;1453664658;mircea_popescu;"i know this isn't X, because Y". 1384257;1453664665;mircea_popescu;whereas you have nfi how "a bride" should go. fuck you know. 1384258;1453664673;mircea_popescu;for all you know, this is how it was supposed to be all along. 1384259;1453664703;mircea_popescu;how are you going to have strong relationships with poorly defined entities ? 1384260;1453664703;ben_vulpes;well no, but i believe that i understand your point. 1384261;1453664751;ben_vulpes;usg has a plenty strong relationship with me, lol 1384262;1453664770;mircea_popescu;quite. 1384263;1453664812;mircea_popescu;marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know. 1384264;1453664816;mircea_popescu;now do the same to alf. 1384265;1453664857;ben_vulpes;'aha' 1384266;1453664862;mircea_popescu;is this MY windows or HIS windows ? (is that my emacs or his emacs ?) 1384267;1453664893;mircea_popescu;and the problem now dawns : nobody gives a shit's ass what you do to your emacs 1384268;1453664904;mircea_popescu;but bitcoin has to stay fixed! protocol! distributed! 1384269;1453664954;mircea_popescu;"i dunno, man, that's just what my bitcoin does" "it shouoldn't do that" "how do you know ?" "because..." 1384270;1453665333;BingoBoingo; "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people. << It's like the redditor version of my foray into fiction 1384271;1453665375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @ 0.00055622 = 47.0006 BTC [-] {3} 1384272;1453665375;jurov;From: Gypsy Subject: Programmer at $399/ Week ...orly? 1384273;1453665458;jurov;Best Regards, Gypsy | Offshoring Coordinator 1384274;1453665572;ben_vulpes;what a deal, jurov! 1384275;1453665626;jurov;i'll gladly forward. cascadia surely needs some gypsies to improve diversity 1384276;1453665755;BingoBoingo;They also naturally live in camps and so blend in with local bipedal fauna 1384277;1453666473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47450 @ 0.00055399 = 26.2868 BTC [-] 1384278;1453666558;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/wax-loquacious/ 1384279;1453666559;assbot;Wax loquacious ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvV7Fg ) 1384280;1453667571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120150 @ 0.00055302 = 66.4454 BTC [-] {3} 1384281;1453667754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31909 @ 0.00055399 = 17.6773 BTC [+] 1384282;1453667876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00055279 = 32.2829 BTC [-] {2} 1384283;1453668447;polarbeard;somebody against displaying full hashes in the log instead of substrings? 1384284;1453668584;mircea_popescu;!up yrashk 1384285;1453668721;mircea_popescu;polarbeard on the contrary. please fix the substring idiocy. 1384286;1453668799;mircea_popescu;whoever the fuck does stupid shit like "substring hashes" fundamentally misunderstands what cryptography is all about 1384287;1453668810;mircea_popescu;much like someone delivering CPU shavings fundamentally misunderstands electronics. 1384288;1453668822;polarbeard;is a symptom of basically being 'too clever' 1384289;1453668840;polarbeard;'but but it won't collide!' 1384290;1453668889;punkman;this doesn't matter in log in most cases 1384291;1453668897;punkman;but can be a hassle 1384292;1453668929;punkman;it also means bigger logs overall 1384293;1453668953;polarbeard;its okay, they actually implemented rotat... well 1384294;1453668974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63917 @ 0.00055726 = 35.6184 BTC [+] {2} 1384295;1453669041;polarbeard;saving bytes from hashes to spend them in "oops!" all around 1384296;1453669279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32284 @ 0.00056476 = 18.2327 BTC [+] {2} 1384297;1453669301;punkman;myeah, and if you need to archive a lot of logs, can always convert to denser binary format 1384298;1453669443;polarbeard;yeah, for now I'm just adding timestamps, classification prefixes and fixing messages, without adding extra logging points 1384299;1453670358;BingoBoingo;Reddit does Australia https://archive.is/HtuJr 1384300;1453670360;assbot;TIFU by feeding a goanna : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1QtgxrI ) 1384301;1453670438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00055626 = 44.8067 BTC [-] {3} 1384302;1453670883;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384235 << unrelated item, but same toolchain 1384303;1453670883;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 19:02:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml? 1384304;1453670903;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384237 << what is the nonobvious thing re: static compilation ? 1384305;1453670903;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one. 1384306;1453670939;asciilifeform;study the linux loader to see what 'dynamic' means. static is simply... not doing this 1384307;1453670964;danielpbarron;https://twitter.com/fredericjacobs/status/691357634704723969 >> OPERATION: KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM 1384308;1453670982;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384239 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384263 << this argument is every bit as applicable to everybody's, including mircea_popescu's, cpu... 1384309;1453670982;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 19:32:48; mircea_popescu: do you understand why your apple "computers" suck ? 1384310;1453670982;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 19:46:52; mircea_popescu: marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know. 1384311;1453670994;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: censored 1384312;1453671093;danielpbarron;>> Holy crap, opening from latest official (Al-Hayat) ISIS video is the decryption of a PGP message. 1384313;1453671133;danielpbarron;is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram 1384314;1453671232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82500 @ 0.00056222 = 46.3832 BTC [+] 1384315;1453671938;danielpbarron;!up LquidNinjaAssets 1384316;1453671947;danielpbarron;who're you? 1384317;1453672013;mircea_popescu;<punkman> this doesn't matter in log in most cases << for one thing, alf was considering using the log for dumping and working with mempool. 1384318;1453672035;LquidNinjaAssets;It doesn't really matter, I was just looking for some #b-a advice on who to use as a hosting service if I wanted to start a no frills blog... 1384319;1453672050;LquidNinjaAssets;something either Pete, or Alf uses 1384320;1453672064;danielpbarron;my advice is get in the WoT and ask again 1384321;1453672072;LquidNinjaAssets;I am in the wot 1384322;1453672075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform likbez is ipso definitio "list of obvious, except not obvious to you" 1384323;1453672076;LquidNinjaAssets;just at work right now 1384324;1453672228;danielpbarron;i was gonna ask BingoBoingo what he uses; i'm tryin to get a blog up as well 1384325;1453672251;mircea_popescu; is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram << it would be. pgp BURNSSSS teh usterrorists. 1384326;1453672267;danielpbarron;hosting i can do myself, but the wordpress i found kinda sucks 1384327;1453672275;mircea_popescu;if you feel like making a qntra out of it all.. 1384328;1453672355;mircea_popescu;just a simple "isis finally moving to pgp, like b-a/alf/mp said they should. usg petrified about actual, strong cryptography - as opposed to the ecc and assorted shit they peddle - being deployed by those opposing its reign of terror" 1384329;1453672367;danielpbarron;i'll look into it when i get back to real computer; i'm at a sushi bar atm 1384330;1453672380;LquidNinjaAssets;yes plus all the security holes MP found on there...just something super basic that could be recommended by my wot would be great, thank you 1384331;1453672385;punkman;LquidNinjaAssets: you can see who's hosting where via whois 1384332;1453672400;mircea_popescu;fancy that coincidence, i just had a pile of sushi myself. 1384333;1453672402;LquidNinjaAssets;thanks punkman 1384334;1453672408;asciilifeform;l0l are them pigs flyin' 1384335;1453672415;punkman;contravex looks like godaddy :/ 1384336;1453672416;asciilifeform;and censored just as soon. 1384337;1453672999;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Darwin isn't a complete piece of shit eh? So Apple > Winblows or is this like comparing two bowls of shit and asking which one is less nutty. 1384338;1453673013;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is a complete piece of shit 1384339;1453673019;BingoBoingo;I use dreamhost for thedrinkingrecord. It's cost controlled and don't get surprise bills when DDoS 1384340;1453673034;asciilifeform;and the effort required to set it up for any kind of serious work vastly exceeds the effort used to set up a gentoo box 1384341;1453673050;thestringpuller;interesting to see all the love for Gentoo 1384342;1453673064;BingoBoingo;But really choosing a web host is a serious optimization problem. 1384343;1453673067;asciilifeform;but you can work on it, yes. just as you could probably solder a keyboard to a nintendo and work on that. 1384344;1453673086;BingoBoingo;What works for thedrinkingrecord would be unacceptably for Qntra 1384345;1453673088;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: people did that, it was called a commodore64 1384346;1453673130;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: because qntra has giant "DDOS me" sign on it's back as it walks to halls? 1384347;1453673148;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i can work on an apple box, with a good bit of sweat. i cannot work on a winblowz box. 1384348;1453673159;asciilifeform;it is entirely impossible without installing something like vmware 1384349;1453673206;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Because Qntra needs the potential to host wider varieties of content objectionable to shitgnomes 1384350;1453673276;thestringpuller;Working on a winblowz box is the worst experience ever. I did so for 1.5 years writing JBoss web applets. Everyone thought "Oh you can run the dev environment in windows, well you're crazy. THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS" to which I would revolt saying, "Your development process is insane which is why you spent 2.5 mil bringing in AGILE consultants to reduce your bottom line, which didn't fix any of the real problems." 1384351;1453673303;thestringpuller;Eventually all the devs were given macs, (Oh boy upgrade from diahrea to solid feces). 1384352;1453673320;asciilifeform;just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep 1384353;1453673323;thestringpuller;The only people who got anything done around there was DevOps who had a strict (Run linux) 1384354;1453673337;asciilifeform;i would much rather trade the computer for a pencil. 1384355;1453673390;asciilifeform;the funny part is that i have written REAMS of code for winblowz. 1384356;1453673392;asciilifeform;just not ON it. 1384357;1453673401;asciilifeform;and didn't ~build~ it there either. 1384358;1453673414;thestringpuller;you cross compiled it? 1384359;1453673429;asciilifeform;(you can cross-compile trivially, and gcc gives 10x the compactness of vs crud. just treat the box as a kind of nintendo.) 1384360;1453673457;polarbeard;that's... interracial 1384361;1453673461;thestringpuller;aha. does this require posix compliance add-ons in the Windows box? 1384362;1453673466;asciilifeform;NONE 1384363;1453673475;asciilifeform;naked winblowz box, straight from the crate. 1384364;1453673488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00056222 = 13.3527 BTC [+] 1384365;1453673499;asciilifeform;no 'runtimes' or other dependency crud needed. 1384366;1453673501;thestringpuller;aha so straight to win32 1384367;1453673503;asciilifeform;old-fashioned gcc. 1384368;1453673522;asciilifeform;wrote drivers, even 1384369;1453673535;asciilifeform;(which microshit OFFICIALLY proclaims to only be possible using their turdchain) 1384370;1453673550;asciilifeform;think of it this way, anything you could do in asm (and that's everything, period) you can do with gcc. 1384371;1453673558;polarbeard;but did you sign® them? 1384372;1453673563;asciilifeform;did. 1384373;1453673571;asciilifeform;you don't need vs for this, either. 1384374;1453673579;asciilifeform;but who the everliving fuck cares. 1384375;1453673611;asciilifeform;it boggles my mind that anybody ever uses vs for anything at all. 1384376;1453673660;thestringpuller;cuz IDE make lyfe ez 1384377;1453673671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00056323 = 60.3783 BTC [+] {3} 1384378;1453673691;polarbeard;ide tells you what to do, calls you bitch if you don't 1384379;1453673732;BingoBoingo;VS has marketing, looks good to managers 1384380;1453673740;thestringpuller;that's like middle school shit. "Sally thinks you're a bitch" 1384381;1453673791;polarbeard;clippy secretly plots your murder, using gentle 'suggestions' 1384382;1453673793;asciilifeform;i will develop ~for~ nintendo, if the money is right. but no amount of money is pay enough for developing ON a nintendo. 1384383;1453673850;BingoBoingo;!up LquidNinjaAssets 1384384;1453673915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53100 @ 0.00056222 = 29.8539 BTC [-] {2} 1384385;1453674006;jurov;nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw? 1384386;1453674020;mircea_popescu; just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep << iirc they eventually got a grep in windows too 1384387;1453674032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'powershell' ? 1384388;1453674036;asciilifeform;still not an actual shell. 1384389;1453674039;polarbeard;git for windows installs bash, lol 1384390;1453674045;mircea_popescu;i dun recall what it was 1384391;1453674057;asciilifeform;polarbeard: you can even, e.g., cygwin, and build x11, and actual gcc, and bash, etc. 1384392;1453674060;polarbeard;and tells you to shut up and accept the dick 1384393;1453674064;asciilifeform;but at that point why not use an actual os 1384394;1453674079;asciilifeform;jurov: somebody easily could 1384395;1453674182;asciilifeform;i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free 1384396;1453674194;asciilifeform;was wrong about this ? 1384397;1453674205;jurov;yep, wrong 1384398;1453674207;asciilifeform;(i am about as far from the project as could be imagined) 1384399;1453674272;*;BingoBoingo wonders if name is supposed to be read polarbearD or polar beard 1384400;1453674284;asciilifeform;!up gitzain 1384401;1453674307;jurov;i know about cygwin, but never tried to apply 1384402;1453674325;asciilifeform;jurov: you specifically would not want to build something ~for~ cygwin 1384403;1453674329;mod6;polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben. 1384404;1453674330;asciilifeform;this introduces dependency crud 1384405;1453674333;jurov;rather, heard horror storied about mingw 1384406;1453674342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00056588 = 54.8904 BTC [+] {5} 1384407;1453674345;asciilifeform;jurov: i worked with mingw for some years. 1384408;1453674352;diana_coman;jurov> nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw? <- I tried that in some days of madness; it didn't end well 1384409;1453674367;polarbeard;mod6: no problem, I'm open to suggestions 1384410;1453674418;asciilifeform;!gettrust polarbeard 1384411;1453674419;assbot;Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user polarbeard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=polarbeard | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/polarbeard/ 1384412;1453674426;mod6;I think you need to ack your previous identity and make ammends. Thats the first step. 1384413;1453674441;asciilifeform;mod6: is this in the log ? 1384414;1453674447;polarbeard;asciilifeform: I nuked my previous identity, for science 1384415;1453674454;asciilifeform;oh for fucks sake 1384416;1453674459;asciilifeform;let's have it 1384417;1453674483;asciilifeform;!s from:ben_vulpes !rate 1384418;1453674484;assbot;102 results for 'from:ben_vulpes !rate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+%21rate 1384419;1453674506;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 << ? 1384420;1453674506;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here 1384421;1453674506;mod6;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/punindented/ 1384422;1453674508;assbot;punindented WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeCWYY ) 1384423;1453674512;polarbeard;asciilifeform: punindented, nodejs, mawk user 1384424;1453674530;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes what's the story re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1374179 ? 1384425;1453674530;assbot;Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here 1384426;1453674531;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1384427;1453674537;polarbeard;and dotfile killah 1384428;1453674586;mircea_popescu; i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free << how are you going to make a windows binary "microshit-free" ? 1384429;1453674593;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread 1384430;1453674629;mircea_popescu; polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben. << the what now ?! 1384431;1453674635;asciilifeform;also see thread 1384432;1453674686;mircea_popescu;i have seen both threads, not much changed. 1384433;1453674699;mod6;polarbeard is punindented, i very much appreciate his offer of help to work on the R.I. but this is a non-starter until ben and polarbeard/punindented reconcile their differences. 1384434;1453674723;polarbeard;but I have nothing against him? 1384435;1453674727;thestringpuller;is it safe to transplant the blockchain between hard drives once it's completed? 1384436;1453674750;thestringpuller;or is it like the fdisk thing where you should --verify-all on restart even if blockchain is downloaded? 1384437;1453674762;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: so long as they have same endian 1384438;1453674789;mod6;polarbeard: perhaps not. but wot & signing patches is based on trust. you must have a positive rating from members for patches to be accepted. 1384439;1453674799;thestringpuller;this wouldn't change on same machine no? (like pulling blockchain off one drive then putting on another drive, but inside same machine) 1384440;1453674813;mod6;so lets get this resolved and perhaps we can move forward. 1384441;1453674815;polarbeard;ok, I'll earn that with time, I won't submit until I have positive rating 1384442;1453674846;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: Your best bet is likely starting a blog and putting things you might eventually submit there 1384443;1453674865;BingoBoingo;Shows your growth over time or lack thereof 1384444;1453674883;mircea_popescu;http://misionesonline.net/2016/01/24/obera-un-policia-atropello-a-un-motociclista-lo-mato-y-luego-se-suicido/ 1384445;1453674886;assbot;Oberá: un policía se suicidó luego de un accidente que le costó la vida a un motociclista - MisionesOnline ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDb6f ) 1384446;1453674886;polarbeard;I code, I don't write articles 1384447;1453674895;mircea_popescu;"y se peg un tiro con su pistola reglamentaria." 1384448;1453674897;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: Nothing wrong with blogging code 1384449;1453674908;BingoBoingo;or blogging comments to code 1384450;1453674920;polarbeard;ok, I have a blog on https://gist.github.com/polarbeard 1384451;1453674921;assbot;polarbeard’s gists · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDdLk ) 1384452;1453674921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!! 1384453;1453674958;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: But you don't own that url in even the pretend sense of having a domain name 1384454;1453674968;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: is the categories page you used built into the theme or did that have to be created? 1384455;1453674978;polarbeard;do I need a domain name to contribute code? 1384456;1453674987;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: needed created 1384457;1453674996;trinque;polarbeard: just go talk to ben_vulpes and work out whatever happened there. 1384458;1453675015;polarbeard;BingoBoingo knows what happened, I sent him a log 1384459;1453675016;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: no, but it makes the blog part work more smoothly given how github leiks da censorship 1384460;1453675027;polarbeard;please share it BingoBoingo, if you still have it around 1384461;1453675041;BingoBoingo;trinque: He filpped ben_vulpes paranoia breaker it would take some time for it to reset. 1384462;1453675043;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my point re: the mingw thread was that it is entirely possible to write a proggy, for whatever broken & braindamaged box, without inserting ANY bytes that i did not personally decide to insert. 1384463;1453675060;asciilifeform;(i.e. without linking to vendor libs) 1384464;1453675071;mircea_popescu;mod6 there's two (very general) problems here. one is that well, identification's always iffy. how do you go "x=y" when it comes to ids ? the other is that well, with or without wot trust, the guy can still write patches etc. not like anyone can prevent it. not to say that it shouldn't be resolved by any means. 1384465;1453675079;asciilifeform;(it will make os api calls, yes, supposing that we want i/o at all. but this is not same thing) 1384466;1453675080;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: Did rotor eat your copy too? 1384467;1453675102;polarbeard;I didn't save it 1384468;1453675148;asciilifeform;anybody at all can write patches. just like anyone could write a speech for obamitler to read. now to have him actually read it - is a different matter 1384469;1453675154;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1384470;1453675155;mod6;mircea_popescu: he was talking to me in pm when he decided not to reconcile with ben and created a new ident. i can't sign stuff from a guy who i know that my co-chair has neg-rated. 1384471;1453675165;mircea_popescu;i cansee that. 1384472;1453675175;mircea_popescu;what was it anyway ? 1384473;1453675187;*;mircea_popescu points out that all this private talk just makeswork down the line. 1384474;1453675188;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: dpaste ate it. 1384475;1453675210;asciilifeform;aha 1384476;1453675210;mod6;the dispute? i dunno. his ident was 'punindented 1384477;1453675225;asciilifeform;anything you say in 'private' about trb will generally end up having to be repeated at least once. 1384478;1453675228;polarbeard;that's okay, I won't submit anything if you don't want / have the time to read 1384479;1453675233;mod6;i asked him to resolve this, but this has gone too far now. 1384480;1453675239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and then the differences evaluated and it's just not fucking worth it. 1384481;1453675243;asciilifeform;^ 1384482;1453675251;BingoBoingo;But there is http://dpaste.com/3DJ855N.txt 1384483;1453675252;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeDr5b ) 1384484;1453675255;asciilifeform;this is why i almost never 'pm' at all these days 1384485;1453675270;asciilifeform;launch codes go over pgp, everything else can be here. 1384486;1453675336;polarbeard;mod6: I created a new ident because I nuked my keys, but I understand your position, you could have told me I'm not welcomed as well, instead of talking to me 1384487;1453675375;mod6;ah, thats right. forgot you blew away your keys. but still, i gvae you ample time to resolve this with ben. 1384488;1453675412;BingoBoingo;polarbeard: The solution is not simply new name. It is building a history and working towards the comprehensive exam. 1384489;1453675413;mircea_popescu;now we're all stuck sitting around looking at a high strung dramatique discussion with a missing antecedent. 1384490;1453675415;polarbeard;I don't know how to resolve the fact that he doesn't like people build stuff for nodejs 1384491;1453675419;mircea_popescu;this is loathsome. 1384492;1453675428;BingoBoingo;!s comprehensive exam 1384493;1453675429;assbot;4 results for 'comprehensive exam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=comprehensive+exam 1384494;1453675444;BingoBoingo; this is loathsome. << This 1384495;1453675457;asciilifeform;there is a more serious problem 1384496;1453675464;asciilifeform;polarbeard tells us that he nuked his keys 1384497;1453675468;mircea_popescu;so ? 1384498;1453675471;asciilifeform;and was formerly mr. somebodyelse 1384499;1453675476;asciilifeform;on what authority is this to be taken ? 1384500;1453675479;BingoBoingo;^ 1384501;1453675486;polarbeard;formerly I was nobody, I'm still nobody 1384502;1453675493;polarbeard;ben's was my first rate 1384503;1453675495;mircea_popescu;well thatg's what i said. how do you know "x is y". you basicaLLY don't. 1384504;1453675500;asciilifeform;aha. 1384505;1453675510;mircea_popescu;only way this works is if x says "i will be y". 1384506;1453675517;mircea_popescu;y saying "i was x" is nonsense. 1384507;1453675527;asciilifeform;maybe i was catherine the great, aha. 1384508;1453675546;asciilifeform;or horse. 1384509;1453675559;mircea_popescu;moreover, gpg is specificalloy intended to work as a PSEUDONYMOUS system. much like bitcoin addresses are. 1384510;1453675562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58293 @ 0.00056458 = 32.9111 BTC [-] {2} 1384511;1453675568;mircea_popescu;there's nothing fundamentally wrong with being a dozen different oens. 1384512;1453675587;mircea_popescu;whether you like the idea or not - jack shit you can do aobut it. 1384513;1453675622;mircea_popescu;moreover, the corruptive influence of bitcoin over enemies works in gpg and v space too. 1384514;1453675637;mircea_popescu;new identity has to put in effort to establish trust. if it wants to abuse it later... it does have to burn it. 1384515;1453675648;mircea_popescu;keep things so it's never worth doing that, you don't care if it's hitler's own id. 1384516;1453675670;asciilifeform;see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325347 1384517;1453675670;assbot;Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as w 1384518;1453675680;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325348 1384519;1453675680;assbot;Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand. 1384520;1453675705;mircea_popescu;quite. 1384521;1453675714;mircea_popescu;and to bring back that very obscure thing on trilema about sybils etc : 1384522;1453675728;mircea_popescu;the ONLY viable attack against the wot is getting people to act in systematic manners. 1384523;1453675737;mircea_popescu;it is the direct equivalent of entropy-diddling for keysystems. 1384524;1453675793;mircea_popescu;not only "there's nothing common about common sense" - but there's a very good reason for this. common sense is decentralized system poison. 1384525;1453675836;asciilifeform;when i explain this to folks, i like to use the example of liquid nitrogen sausage 1384526;1453675851;asciilifeform;hit ordinary sausage with a hammer, nothing, it gets a little flatter 1384527;1453675857;asciilifeform;now freeze it solid, do the same... 1384528;1453675884;mircea_popescu;yeah. vitrification kills. 1384529;1453675921;asciilifeform;the ~structure~ kills. 1384530;1453675932;mircea_popescu;destructure all teh things! 1384531;1453675956;mircea_popescu;hey - this actuyally works. fundamentally, we're destructuralists. 1384532;1453675961;mircea_popescu;comes after post-poststructuralism. 1384533;1453675987;asciilifeform;now, a very hot sausage melts into goo, burns. an entirely destructured forum - timecubes. 1384534;1453675989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00056222 = 45.9334 BTC [-] {2} 1384535;1453676017;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "entirely destructured". 1384536;1453676050;asciilifeform;sure. 1384537;1453676059;asciilifeform;but it is possible to ionize the sausage. 1384538;1453676067;asciilifeform;and generally undesirable. 1384539;1453676071;mircea_popescu;no but this is important. the measure is not 0-> but (undefined) -> 1384540;1453676077;mircea_popescu;very different sort of algebra. 1384541;1453676115;asciilifeform;we actually don't have an algebra for entropy measures, other than shannon's 1384542;1453676133;mircea_popescu;more generally, there's no algebra with a 1 but not a 0 in this sense afaik. 1384543;1453676175;asciilifeform;riddle time: 1384544;1453676184;asciilifeform;char *p = sc->strbuff; 1384545;1453676184;asciilifeform;while ((p - sc->strbuff < sizeof(sc->strbuff)) && 1384546;1453676184;asciilifeform; !is_one_of(delim, (*p++ = inchar(sc)))); 1384547;1453676188;asciilifeform;from where ? 1384548;1453676194;mircea_popescu;openssh 1384549;1453676200;asciilifeform;tinyscheme 1384550;1453676202;thestringpuller;L0L 1384551;1453676212;asciilifeform;'who does this?!' 1384552;1453676215;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) 1384553;1453676221;thestringpuller;(c) 1384554;1453676221;mircea_popescu;openssh! 1384555;1453676280;jurov;linus 1384556;1453676354;asciilifeform;folks who produce 'gems' like this, are prime candidates for http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Iran-Finger-Amputation-ISNA-3.jpg 1384557;1453676355;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeE9zp ) 1384558;1453676437;mircea_popescu;the sad truth is that this is a very specific sort of ideal. 1384559;1453676445;mircea_popescu;like the bell bottoms, a fashion of the 70s 1384560;1453676481;asciilifeform;how's that 1384561;1453676603;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to explain it otherwise. 1384562;1453676618;asciilifeform;which would be the 'ideal' 1384563;1453676646;asciilifeform;wanton pointer arithmetic ? 1384564;1453676684;asciilifeform;to save five lines but add an hour to the time of anybody trying to actually grasp the meaning ? 1384565;1453676797;jurov;"idiomatic C" 1384566;1453676845;mircea_popescu;that, yes. 1384567;1453676857;mircea_popescu;sorta like crossword puzzles, same thing. a sort of cleverness. 1384568;1453676965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139750 @ 0.00056459 = 78.9015 BTC [+] 1384569;1453677767;mircea_popescu;!up srijan 1384570;1453677880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125750 @ 0.00056222 = 70.6992 BTC [-] 1384571;1453678225;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Jul/13 but interestingly the classical tinyscheme does not even have the original 0day 1384572;1453678226;assbot;Full Disclosure: Re: ScriptFu Server Buffer Overflow in GIMP <= 2.6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WI6jEr ) 1384573;1453678231;asciilifeform;it was introduced in the... guess... 1384574;1453678238;asciilifeform;utf8-ificated one. 1384575;1453678240;asciilifeform;where else 1384576;1453678258;asciilifeform;though the cited bit is still disgusting 1384577;1453678307;asciilifeform;(it is from ver. 1.41) 1384578;1453678321;asciilifeform;circa, iirc, 1999. 1384579;1453678348;asciilifeform;(cited earlier in this thread, that is) 1384580;1453678490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00056432 = 29.4857 BTC [+] {3} 1384581;1453678500;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384565 << i offer that such folks be given a chance to stop, asked nicely. after this, to be hit with a heavy blunt object. and then hit again, and again, until they are no longer a danger to others. 1384582;1453678500;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 23:06:37; jurov: "idiomatic C" 1384583;1453678532;asciilifeform;'clever' aha. 1384584;1453678727;jurov;merely tasking them to understand existing code is sufficient. "and no, you're not allowed to redo it nor pull libraries" 1384585;1453678978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00056034 = 64.243 BTC [-] {2} 1384586;1453679569;asciilifeform;!up kefkius 1384587;1453679649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47215 @ 0.00056459 = 26.6571 BTC [+] 1384588;1453679765;danielpbarron;snowden twatter account says the isis pgp is fake 1384589;1453679786;asciilifeform;where is the kennedy assassination dossier it promised. 1384590;1453679821;asciilifeform;(speaking of folks with no pubkey!) 1384591;1453679948;ben_vulpes;so i've only negrated this punindented identity 1384592;1453680009;ben_vulpes;and given that the character's lost or whatevered those keys, i don't see any reason for a) that to change or b) influence how the wot regards polarbeard 1384593;1453680048;ben_vulpes;and as specifically regards polarbeard, i am happy to review patches 1384594;1453680061;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: let's say tomorrow some new fella shows up, new key, and admits that he is ninjashogun who lost his key... 1384595;1453680069;asciilifeform;also makes no difference ? 1384596;1453680075;asciilifeform;or, 1384597;1453680080;asciilifeform;'admission against interest' ? 1384598;1453680130;ben_vulpes;but register formal irritation re your inability or refusal to answer to inquiries such as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384093 1384599;1453680130;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 09:44:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 << if by external you mean: does not introduce further dependencies into the codebase, maybe, depending on the tool 1384600;1453680142;asciilifeform;(i think in usa it is called 'declaration against interest' but ianal) 1384601;1453680145;ben_vulpes;and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384095 1384602;1453680145;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 09:44:25; ben_vulpes: also lol what /we/ who are /you/? 1384603;1453680147;asciilifeform;useful concept 1384604;1453680169;mircea_popescu; merely tasking them to understand existing code is sufficient. "and no, you're not allowed to redo it nor pull libraries" << jurov has it. 1384605;1453680204;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> also makes no difference ? <<< quite. 1384606;1453680210;mircea_popescu;what difference would it make ? 1384607;1453680259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005592 = 5.2006 BTC [-] {3} 1384608;1453680300;polarbeard;ben_vulpes: sorry, I missed that one, I was talking about a tool like logrotate 1384609;1453680343;polarbeard;which I think comes by default in all linux distros, idk about unixes though 1384610;1453680417;danielpbarron;https://imgur.com/a/meH0a << here's my screenshots, completely raw and unedited 1384611;1453680420;assbot;isis pgp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIafoM ) 1384612;1453680457;polarbeard;all I can say is that log rotation is daily business on most decent systems, but if anybody has a rational answer against it I would not remove shitty-ghost-rotation from trb 1384613;1453680506;ben_vulpes;yes, i don't quite care about 'statements against interest' 1384614;1453680529;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: that key id appears to be quite illegible 1384615;1453680538;danielpbarron;yeah i can't figure it out either 1384616;1453680542;ben_vulpes;someone can show up tomorrow and claim to be tiberius, tat, smickles, and until they sign with keys that prove it they're either joking or some other thing i don't understand 1384617;1453680548;punkman;ben_vulpes: would ya read ninjashogun's patches? 1384618;1453680558;danielpbarron;"snowden" says same 1384619;1453680560;ben_vulpes;punkman: for lolz most definitely 1384620;1453680581;ben_vulpes;and who knows what else of interest might be in 'em 1384621;1453680581;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and whose pgptron prints 'Decryption....' 1384622;1453680584;asciilifeform;and wtf 1384623;1453680589;ben_vulpes;what harm'd there be in the reading i ask 1384624;1453680621;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: and why would message text be in english 1384625;1453680622;asciilifeform;and, and. 1384626;1453680626;ben_vulpes;so polarbeard burned his previous identity by getting uppity with me. what of it. 1384627;1453680631;asciilifeform;and i won't even comment on the nonsensical contents. 1384628;1453680645;ben_vulpes;it's not submitting patches any more, so i don't see the point of the discussion. 1384629;1453680689;danielpbarron;yeh, so is this still a qntra article or..? 1384630;1453680704;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: potentially. can mention all of these points. 1384631;1453680712;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron possibly not. 1384632;1453680716;asciilifeform;'alleged martian corpse found. but appears to be that of a dog with pig ears glued on' 1384633;1453680742;ben_vulpes;mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow? 1384634;1453680756;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how to operate your wot is between you and odin 1384635;1453680762;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah, i think you nailed the matter, can be laid to rest. 1384636;1453680763;asciilifeform;i certainly see the rationale here 1384637;1453680787;ben_vulpes;provisions are in place for noobs to fuck up and recover. 1384638;1453680886;ben_vulpes;you'll note i'm not handing out 1's just for showing up any more. 1384639;1453680891;ben_vulpes;*and* 1384640;1453680933;mircea_popescu;i'm still a slut. while that lasts. 1384641;1453680984;jurov;;;later tell mike_c just an idea - if the rating is public, you can link the logs 1384642;1453680985;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1384643;1453680996;asciilifeform;;;seen mike_c 1384644;1453680997;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already 1384645;1453681017;mircea_popescu;i think it's really best practice to rate in chan. 1384646;1453681020;asciilifeform;anybody know him in the meat? is the fella on a polar voyage or what 1384647;1453681032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc shitty job + new kid. 1384648;1453681038;asciilifeform;ah 1384649;1453681052;ben_vulpes;(and once again polarbeard /who are you/?) 1384650;1453681070;*;asciilifeform tries to picture harsher job than his own, it's gotta involve petro drilling platforms with no connectivity or sumthin' 1384651;1453681113;jurov;breeding pigs in space 1384652;1453681116;asciilifeform;i would also like to know ~who is~ polarbeard 1384653;1453681130;asciilifeform;кто ты по жизни, polarbeard ? 1384654;1453681166;ben_vulpes;(while it may appear to /you/ that the mega participants in this cult are disembodied names, /we/ all know each other -- names, geographic locations, general type of employ, but /you/ do not have this [or i'll point out] any pedigree here) 1384655;1453681217;jurov;eh calm down 1384656;1453681243;jurov;you think that deaf idiot at the conference was really me? 1384657;1453681257;asciilifeform;l0l! 1384658;1453681259;ben_vulpes;how could i know, jurov! i never saw a keyid from you. 1384659;1453681279;jurov;:D 1384660;1453681320;ben_vulpes;heh that is an interesting hole in the keysigning party i guess 1384661;1453681332;ben_vulpes;what if the person showing up is not actually the keyholder 1384662;1453681341;asciilifeform;first time i was to see mircea_popescu, i actually had no idea how he will pick me out of the crowd at the airport. but he did. 1384663;1453681358;ben_vulpes;same way everyone else singles you out of the crowd lol 1384664;1453681365;asciilifeform;everyone, l0l 1384665;1453681410;ben_vulpes;i'd seen the photos from c2, 'twas how i knew you and mike_c 1384666;1453681500;mod6;heh, there was such a crowd at the exit of the security area, me and Mr. P. walked right by eachother I think. 1384667;1453681521;mircea_popescu;yeah cuz crazy argentines, they're like excited sheep in the airport. 1384668;1453681536;ben_vulpes;planez! 1384669;1453681558;asciilifeform;dirigiblez! 1384670;1453681580;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: hey can you confirm for the log that you understand what's going on with your various idents? 1384671;1453681646;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow? << this is my 0.00000002: If you don't trust a man, no matter what his keyid is today, how can i ignore that and trust a new ident? The correct thing to do as a man, admit your mistake, and or ask for forgiveness and move on. Simple as that. We're all adults here. 1384672;1453681657;polarbeard;yes, I understand, it wasn't my intention to change nick, I nuked my keys 1384673;1453681682;polarbeard;I *loved* that nick 1384674;1453681688;mircea_popescu;mod6 well basically, cause the concept of "a man" is pretty much the key. 1384675;1453681702;ben_vulpes;^^ 1384676;1453681714;mod6;And I understand that part too Mr. P. Typically, this is what seperates us from 'dog'. 1384677;1453681724;mircea_popescu;now a dog you can't trust! 1384678;1453681725;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: coulda kept the nick, but registered a new key and we'd be in the same spot. 1384679;1453681730;polarbeard;and definitely not ready to tell more about my true and only self 1384680;1453681732;ben_vulpes;freenode nicks are not crypto. 1384681;1453681740;polarbeard;maybe one day, I don't kiss in the first date 1384682;1453681755;mircea_popescu;lol 1384683;1453681770;mod6;For posterity: Do not do this. If you get a neg rating and you care about your wot ident, do be an adult and do as I said. Lot less problems and drama this way. 1384684;1453681775;polarbeard;ben_vulpes: I asked somebody if assbot can be forced to forget the nick, it can't 1384685;1453681782;polarbeard;or that somebody told me 1384686;1453681782;asciilifeform;http://www.retrodirizhabl.ru/m04.jpg << mircea_popescu's dirigible 1384687;1453681783;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4p1HD ) 1384688;1453681813;mod6;To me, this all felt like subversion. I didn 1384689;1453681815;ben_vulpes;at orbital heights no less 1384690;1453681818;mod6;'t like that. 1384691;1453681830;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: and no smaller than mexico 1384692;1453681888;mod6;Being honest and forthcoming about matters will always go much father with me than anything else. ftr. 1384693;1453681889;ben_vulpes;ENTIRELY unrelated: http://thismighthurt.tumblr.com/post/137653621429/siren-school-by-isabella-rotman-buy-the-comic << girl sends this along 1384694;1453681890;assbot;This Might Hurt, but I'm Hungry ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4pauE ) 1384695;1453682011;jurov;kek, airship alternative to trans-siberian train.. now that'd be some achievement for hipsters 1384696;1453682022;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: much related to earlier thread ! 1384697;1453682035;asciilifeform;where http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384137 1384698;1453682035;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 14:40:14; mircea_popescu: "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people. 1384699;1453682050;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: indeed! 1384700;1453682414;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> yeah cuz crazy argentines, they're like excited sheep in the airport. << haha, it was a big crowd. You picked me out pretty quick. 1384701;1453682723;mod6;Also: From now on, if you are not in my WoT, and you are a n00b here, any pm's will be ignored, and you will feed my ignore list. 1384702;1453682750;ben_vulpes;i still love you vexual baby 1384703;1453682860;ben_vulpes;very interesting problems that crop up in the curation of the wot. 1384704;1453682928;mats;he doesn't pm me anymore, probably because i'm not as fun as ben_vulpes 1384705;1453682943;ben_vulpes;our timezones are so far off he just leaves me messages 1384706;1453682959;ben_vulpes;unless the kid's up at 4 or whatever, i rarely actually interact with him. 1384707;1453682975;ben_vulpes;heh 1384708;1453682985;ben_vulpes;makes me sound like a great parent 1384709;1453682996;asciilifeform;in other news, the 'shiva' thing is nearing 6,000 ln. 1384710;1453683009;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: loc? 1384711;1453683012;asciilifeform;aha 1384712;1453683018;*;ben_vulpes grimaces 1384713;1453683034;ben_vulpes;approaching usable? 1384714;1453683036;asciilifeform;for connoisseurs only. 1384715;1453683075;*;ben_vulpes looking forward to it 1384716;1453683176;trinque;odd that it's trivial to figure out where I moved the deedbot- node, yet... works now. 1384717;1453683188;trinque;whereas on AWS, blackholed to death 1384718;1453683228;asciilifeform;trinque: all of my nodes ban aws 1384719;1453683249;asciilifeform;as for prb, it doesn't like talking to trb (esp. with the malleus patch) 1384720;1453683250;trinque;yep, but this was just connecting to whomever he wanted 1384721;1453683794;mod6;Ok moving on. 1384722;1453683869;mod6;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes et. al., any further thoughts if we should clean up the code alignment (currently with spaces) post release and do a one-time clean up with tabs? 1384723;1453683928;mod6;Trying to decide if I should post 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' to the ML. 1384724;1453684021;ben_vulpes;mod6: appears to be a useful tool 1384725;1453684145;mod6;So the difference in 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' is that the block of code in Sign() is spaced with tabs. And to Mr. P.'s point it should probably be all in a file or nothing. Otherwise its mis-matched. Some with spaces, some with tabs. 1384726;1453684188;mod6;I'm prefectly happy to reconstruct the patch with spaces to stay in alignment with the current (albiet unwated) spacing scheme. 1384727;1453684206;mod6;And then we can re-align post release. 1384728;1453684246;mod6;Or, we can halt everything else, and create a new genesis and re-align, re-vpatch and re-sign everything. 1384729;1453684334;polarbeard;mod6: honest question, why using two flags if they can't be used at the same time? 1384730;1453684383;polarbeard;can't it be like a three state flag? 0 -> no enforce, 1 -> enforce low, 2 -> enforce high 1384731;1453684424;polarbeard;wink wink, ternary computers 1384732;1453684580;asciilifeform;polarbeard: i originally suggested this 1384733;1453684594;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2016#1379610 1384734;1453684594;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 13:36:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << rather than have the statement checking for luser who set both flags high and barfing, why not have two flags, e.g., 'forceS' and 'lowhighS'. 1384735;1453684605;polarbeard;that's still too flags, I searched before asking :) 1384736;1453684611;polarbeard;*two 1384737;1453684621;asciilifeform;polarbeard: you're still using 2 bits. 1384738;1453684717;polarbeard;that's right, I only mean to simplify usage (if that matters to anybody) 1384739;1453684764;ben_vulpes;i prefer my c++ as antagonistic as possible 1384740;1453684910;polarbeard;also removes one conditional, as ascii noted days ago 1384741;1453685007;mod6;so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option. 1384742;1453685074;mod6;I believe we need two flags. 1384743;1453685112;mod6;If we simply get rid of 'fHighS' and 'fLowS' and replace with say 'fForceS', then how can we differentiate between entering into the high or low if block? 1384744;1453685151;polarbeard;not using a boolean 1384745;1453685186;polarbeard;or using two booleans, ascii's way 1384746;1453685198;mod6;am i not using two booleans, polarbeard? 1384747;1453685211;polarbeard;but yours are contradictory 1384748;1453685232;polarbeard;therefore the need for the conditional 1384749;1453685235;mod6;how would one set this singular boolean? 1384750;1453685258;mod6;remember, i want a default state to *not* require a flag at all. 1384751;1453685270;polarbeard;you can't, using a single boolean, do you mean an int? 1384752;1453685294;mod6;right, i'd prefer not to use an int. 1384753;1453685310;ben_vulpes;mod6: why not? 1384754;1453685341;mod6;because it causes confusion to have -forceS=0 (low) and -forceS=1 1384755;1453685371;polarbeard;you can use signeds, and then -1 0 1 1384756;1453685372;mod6;from a user standpoint, i feel like its more conusing anyway. 1384757;1453685392;polarbeard;0 is the default, you may give -forceS=0 though, but that has no effect 1384758;1453685398;mod6;polarbeard: keep in mind that i considered all of this over a week ago -- and decided against it. so yeah, i have put a lot of thought into this. 1384759;1453685415;mod6;added complexity will result in bugs. 1384760;1453685426;*;asciilifeform observes that this thread has already taken up more space than the patch. 1384761;1453685427;ben_vulpes;i have a hard time giving a shit about the ergonomics when it's covered in finger-snipping blades already. 1384762;1453685433;ben_vulpes;deck chairs. 1384763;1453685444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00055728 = 37.4492 BTC [-] 1384764;1453685462;ben_vulpes;oh come now asciilifeform like we don't waste time on vastly more trivial shit all the time 1384765;1453685470;mod6;^ 1384766;1453685485;asciilifeform;~we~ 1384767;1453685500;mod6;and asciilifeform, keep in mind that this is a *must* fix. i think that is vastly important that we discuss this in channel. 1384768;1453685505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00055728 = 6.1858 BTC [-] 1384769;1453685506;ben_vulpes;ideally such a thread would result in a philosophical statement that'd guide future flags. 1384770;1453685534;asciilifeform;mod6: ok. the rationale for my suggested thing was that no-flag ought to revert to 100% classical behaviour 1384771;1453685542;mod6;agreed. 1384772;1453685550;asciilifeform;as in exactly same code. 1384773;1453685638;asciilifeform;high s variant is exquisitely useful for when we get a pool. 1384774;1453685651;mod6;which is why i added that part. 1384775;1453685666;asciilifeform;low s is useful so mircea_popescu can get his tx out without waiting a week. 1384776;1453685669;asciilifeform;what remains ? 1384777;1453685686;mod6;i think there seems to be questions around why i have two booleans. 1384778;1453685697;mod6;i believe my implementation to be correct. 1384779;1453685771;asciilifeform;what's the diff b/w 'ECDSA_sign' and 'ECDSA_do_sign' ? 1384780;1453685810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182722 @ 0.00055685 = 101.7487 BTC [-] {3} 1384781;1453685832;mod6;what are you driving at here? 1384782;1453685841;asciilifeform;mod6: i've no idea 1384783;1453685848;asciilifeform;but i do not know the difference 1384784;1453685849;asciilifeform;and would like to 1384785;1453685859;asciilifeform;reading the proposed patch 1384786;1453685862;ben_vulpes;http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1.html#a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1 1384787;1453685863;assbot;openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_a22916b9617edac877f99da5b78de7ce1.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZM78MD ) 1384788;1453685865;ben_vulpes;http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_aa6f4bce46de947050b5cc529b310392c.html 1384789;1453685866;assbot;openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h_aa6f4bce46de947050b5cc529b310392c.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZM77YU ) 1384790;1453685896;ben_vulpes;which is not the blessed openssl, but... 1384791;1453685932;asciilifeform;ah ok 1384792;1453685952;ben_vulpes;appears to be a wrapper around do_sign to some extent or another 1384793;1453685965;ben_vulpes;gah this return value shit is hilarious 1384794;1453686200;ben_vulpes;mod6: what's the rationale behind including the commented out printfs? 1384795;1453686930;mod6;so the deal there is that was just some debugging info -- that may be useful to someone at some point. 1384796;1453686951;mod6;there was a discussion around this, and decided to leave them in as a result. will dig up... 1384797;1453686977;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379707 1384798;1453686977;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 15:20:05; mod6: does anyone have any pref on the commented out DEBUG statements for the finalized one? just remove them? 1384799;1453687054;mod6;anyway, asciilifeform yeah, i just grabbed that entire bit of code from here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227 1384800;1453687056;assbot;bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi ) 1384801;1453687101;mod6;I'm not an expert on the openssl internals. If you think I should not trust ECDSA_do_sign and reimplment with ECDSA_sign, I can. 1384802;1453687268;mod6;i suppose if we continue to use ECDSA_sign, we can continue to use: memcpy(&vchSig[0], pchSig, nSize); 1384803;1453687661;ben_vulpes;that'd be closest to the original code 1384804;1453687702;ben_vulpes;and imho preferrable for that reason. 1384805;1453687730;mod6;true 1384806;1453687737;mod6;not sure what to do abut this tho: 1384807;1453687737;mod6;unsigned char pchSig[10000]; 1384808;1453687855;ben_vulpes;perhaps fixing magic numbers is out of scope for a patch to force s-values? 1384809;1453687864;mircea_popescu;^ 1384810;1453687880;*;mircea_popescu goes to read teh log 1384811;1453687971;ben_vulpes;mod6: are you referring to fixing the magic numbers? 1384812;1453687980;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384722 << well, the proposal was for you to release current, 99996 or what it comes to, after which take a step back and do a clean of the spaces, make it 99995 1384813;1453687980;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:04:29; mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes et. al., any further thoughts if we should clean up the code alignment (currently with spaces) post release and do a one-time clean up with tabs? 1384814;1453687995;mircea_popescu;so you get a week off or something, during which people just run teh script and sign the results. 1384815;1453688018;mircea_popescu;even a mod6 needs a week off now and again. 1384816;1453688053;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384727 << this seems sane. 1384817;1453688053;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:10:06; mod6: And then we can re-align post release. 1384818;1453688110;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384741 << stop paying attention to these dudes, optimizing the wrong shed. 1384819;1453688110;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:23:27; mod6: so what we want, is three different ways: no force one way or another, force high, or force low. remember, i originally didn't want to do a force high at all. but since asciilifeform requested this, i'm entertaining this option. 1384820;1453688118;mircea_popescu;!up aknix 1384821;1453688129;aknix;Thanks! 1384822;1453688137;mircea_popescu;aha. who're you ? 1384823;1453688189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16255 @ 0.00056495 = 9.1833 BTC [+] {3} 1384824;1453688223;mod6;Ok sounds good mircea_popescu. I'll stop my current work on the high/low patch. I'll spend this week getting the changes [.wot in the pwd, and mechanical post-patch hash checking] in V [v99996] released. Then I'll immediately begin work on a re-alignment of all the patches we currently are distributing. 1384825;1453688229;mircea_popescu;wait. 1384826;1453688234;mod6;ok 1384827;1453688246;mircea_popescu;what's your current work on teh patch ? 1384828;1453688259;aknix;was actually just seeing if the channel was public again. Used to stop by now and then. 1384829;1453688294;mod6;Nothing more than "send to the list", if its current form 'http://dpaste.com/2EZJVXA.txt' is acceptable. 1384830;1453688320;mircea_popescu;that's kinda what i had in mind too. 1384831;1453688345;mod6;Ok. I can get that done tonight yet. 1384832;1453688358;mircea_popescu;i guess i unwittingly confused you, sorry about that. the S-patch was not actually intended to mark a new release did it ? 1384833;1453688371;mod6;Oh no. 1384834;1453688393;mod6;But it probably would have been the last thing to go into the tree before a release patch. 1384835;1453688411;mod6;(a vpatch to tie them all together) 1384836;1453688416;mircea_popescu;oh ok, my bad. so what i was thinking here is : a) finish the patch ; b) do all the other stuff you were going to do in your own time ; c) when ready make a new version ; d) take a week off, during which everyone [who cares to] can write and run a script to / / 1384837;1453688436;mircea_popescu;after which back to normal. that sound sane ? 1384838;1453688464;mod6;Yeah, sounds good. Thanks, want to get all of this done in a sane order and timely fashion. 1384839;1453688472;mircea_popescu;so we'll have the 99996 > 99995 be "all tabulation, machine checkable" 1384840;1453688498;mircea_popescu;and while it'd be tempting to overload it with stuff like moving the {, i would think it's better not to. make it simple and sweet to check. 1384841;1453688511;mircea_popescu;stuff like { much easier to fix as patches/code is reviewed, by and by. 1384842;1453688530;mod6;agreed. let's try to keep it just down to the tabs for now. 1384843;1453688555;mod6;im sure i might need some more guidence when I get to working on that part, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it. 1384844;1453688564;mircea_popescu;this'd be the last juncture at which people who seriously and staunchly are against the space to tab switch should raise hell. 1384845;1453688606;mircea_popescu;and yes ben_vulpes is writing a style guide from what i understand 1384846;1453688606;mod6;yeah, and this should make it all easier going forward to create the vpatch. overall, a good move sooner rather than later imho. 1384847;1453688608;mircea_popescu;>D 1384848;1453688613;mod6;heheheh 1384849;1453688630;ben_vulpes;wutnostahp 1384850;1453688637;mircea_popescu;you said. 1384851;1453688677;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380810 << does it not /drip/ with sarcasm? 1384852;1453688677;assbot;Logged on 22-01-2016 04:10:33; ben_vulpes: WHY NOT WRITE A STYLE GUIDE WHILE WE'RE AT IT 1384853;1453688684;mircea_popescu;so ? 1384854;1453688692;mircea_popescu;it's my party, i can be a straight man if i want to 1384855;1453688696;mircea_popescu;straight if i want to... 1384856;1453688705;mircea_popescu;you would straight too-ooo-hoooh! 1384857;1453688710;mod6;haha 1384858;1453688720;mod6;!b 4 1384859;1453688722;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1B02DJ7.txt ) 1384860;1453688757;*;ben_vulpes checks todo list 1384861;1453688818;ben_vulpes;entire code base is almost guaranteed to be in conflict with any style guide unfortunately. 1384862;1453688922;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384778 << yeah it's fine. 1384863;1453688922;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:34:57; mod6: i believe my implementation to be correct. 1384864;1453689022;polarbeard;'corel devs did that on purpos to split the comuniteh!' 1384865;1453689141;thestringpuller;so. they took out verifyall in core bitcoind and replaced it with -reindex. -reindex doesn't disregard checkpoints. or at least no one knows if it does or not. how do these people have Ph.D's and shit? 1384866;1453689174;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: thoughts on ecdsa calls? 1384867;1453689188;ben_vulpes;"father's pistols"? 1384868;1453689258;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384779 <<< i don't think you're ready for this one son. 1384869;1453689258;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:36:11; asciilifeform: what's the diff b/w 'ECDSA_sign' and 'ECDSA_do_sign' ? 1384870;1453689259;mircea_popescu;ECDSA_sign() is wrapper function for ECDSA_sign_ex with kinv and rp set to NULL ; ECDSA_do_sign() is wrapper function for ECDSA_do_sign_ex with kinv and rp set to NULL. ECDSA_sign_ex() computes a digital signature of the dgstlen bytes hash value dgst using the private EC key eckey and the optional pre-computed values kinv and rp. The DER encoded signatures is stored in sig and it's length is returned in sig_len. (sig 1384871;1453689259;mircea_popescu;must point to ECDSA_size bytes of memory, the parameter type ~is ignored~). Meanwhile ECDSA_do_sign_ex() computes a digital signature of the dgst_len bytes hash value dgst using the private key eckey and the optional precomputed values kinv and rp. The signature is returned in a newly allocated ECDSA_SIG structure (or NULL on error). 1384872;1453689263;mircea_popescu;geddit ? 1384873;1453689277;mircea_popescu;funny ben_vulpes, i was juist on that. 1384874;1453689306;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller verification of any functional kind is the sworn enemy of anyone with phds. thinkaboutit. 1384875;1453689311;ben_vulpes;i'm stalking your log progress 1384876;1453689368;mircea_popescu;fancy that, someone actually thought this is how you design a function stack. 1384877;1453689420;ben_vulpes;i will point out that changing to the wrapper implementation implies audits to be done of the implementation delta. 1384878;1453689469;mircea_popescu;the difference between the two, incidentally, is not trivial. 1384879;1453689520;ben_vulpes;still 'fine'? 1384880;1453689531;mircea_popescu;!s fine from:mircea 1384881;1453689532;assbot;822 results for 'fine from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fine+from%3Amircea 1384882;1453689569;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1384883;1453689601;ben_vulpes;most recent 1384884;1453689647;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes we were discussing flags. 1384885;1453689663;BingoBoingo; yeh, so is this still a qntra article or..? << If you submit something with all of the point brought up it channel, its chance of publication is a weighted coinflip. Depends what you can make of it. 1384886;1453689695;ben_vulpes;HA DERP 1384887;1453689697;ben_vulpes;my bad. 1384888;1453689712;mircea_popescu;http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8o-5ubuntu1/ecs__sign_8c_source.html#l00067 << they're here. 1384889;1453689713;assbot;openssl 0.9.8o-5ubuntu1, ecs__sign_8c_source.html ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwg5HM ) 1384890;1453689784;ben_vulpes;right but if we stick to the old impl the audit is no longer required. 1384891;1453689797;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384844 << i'd like to know what mircea_popescu intends to do about ~future~ style-nonconformant patches. 1384892;1453689797;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 02:22:44; mircea_popescu: this'd be the last juncture at which people who seriously and staunchly are against the space to tab switch should raise hell. 1384893;1453689806;mircea_popescu;the do version ultimately returns return ecdsa->meth->ecdsa_do_sign(dgst, dlen, kinv, rp, eckey); while the no-do version just calls the do version. 1384894;1453689815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not sign them. 1384895;1453689821;asciilifeform;gonna reject because my emacs emits a mixture of tabs'n'spaces ? 1384896;1453689827;mircea_popescu;it does ?! 1384897;1453689837;asciilifeform;i have it align columns when possible 1384898;1453689845;asciilifeform;so now i gotta write an elisp for trb 1384899;1453689848;asciilifeform;whereas before i did not 1384900;1453689851;mircea_popescu;what non-tabulated collumns do you use ?! 1384901;1453689873;ben_vulpes;i am still anti-tab, delimiter token hoojaberry aside 1384902;1453689873;asciilifeform;indentation to the ( in an if ( ... etc 1384903;1453689891;mircea_popescu;you indent to the ( not to the if ?! 1384904;1453689909;asciilifeform;the 1st line of the inner block - yes 1384905;1453689911;asciilifeform;like k&r did. 1384906;1453689916;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: look who removed the magicnum https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9ef7fa34 1384907;1453689917;assbot;Code cleanup: use ECDSA_size() instead of fixed 10,000 byte sig buffe… · bitcoin/bitcoin@9ef7fa3 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwgv0X ) 1384908;1453689938;asciilifeform;generally i see 'style guide' as a thing between the writer and his gods 1384909;1453689946;ben_vulpes;indentation is poetry in any lisp 1384910;1453689948;mircea_popescu;polarbeard you're not familiar with history. 2011 gavin is ok gavin. 1384911;1453689963;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ 1384912;1453689964;assbot;And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx ) 1384913;1453689968;asciilifeform;to proclaim one in a project which did not previously have one, creates a megatonne of work for a great many people, to no very obvious benefit 1384914;1453690012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, if there's no consensus, there's no consensus and there it goes. 1384915;1453690013;asciilifeform;the people whose crap i cannot stand reading, are the ones WITHOUT A CONSISTENT style. 1384916;1453690018;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 gets no week off! 1384917;1453690036;asciilifeform;lack of any style at all is generally symptomatic of serious cranial cockroaches 1384918;1453690071;ben_vulpes;only reasonable style guide for this codebase is "make it look like the lines immediately above and below" 1384919;1453690074;mircea_popescu;hey, if the change is not obviously a good thing it's probably a bad idea. it pisses me the fuck off, but whatevs, i'll sed or something. 1384920;1453690080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232600 @ 0.0005613 = 130.5584 BTC [-] {3} 1384921;1453690084;asciilifeform;sed, sed. 1384922;1453690102;asciilifeform;i'm not even opposed to the thing getting retabulated on releases. 1384923;1453690113;mircea_popescu;i can't code worth a crap anyway. 1384924;1453690116;asciilifeform;but rejecting patches because they have the wrong terminal bells is lunacy 1384925;1453690118;polarbeard;ben_vulpes: lol, vi... I mean notepad.exe has a plugin for that 1384926;1453690155;ben_vulpes;what that 1384927;1453690157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps rejecting workers because they forgot to wipe their ass this morning also ? 1384928;1453690157;asciilifeform;polarbeard: didja write a patch and i missed it reading the log ? 1384929;1453690174;polarbeard;asciilifeform: gavin did 1384930;1453690206;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384801 << there's ~no difference. 1384931;1453690206;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:58:21; mod6: I'm not an expert on the openssl internals. If you think I should not trust ECDSA_do_sign and reimplment with ECDSA_sign, I can. 1384932;1453690208;polarbeard;ben_vulpes: for looking to the lines above and below and use that as the defaults 1384933;1453690221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a raft of cosmetic/credible fixes between .5 and .6. 1384934;1453690223;asciilifeform;well, one allocates, the other drops in place 1384935;1453690239;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one calls the other anyway. 1384936;1453690253;asciilifeform;aha, was reading ben_vulpes's links earlier saw this 1384937;1453690260;mircea_popescu;you mean my links ? 1384938;1453690265;asciilifeform;and them 1384939;1453690277;mircea_popescu;his are badly tabulated, don't count. 1384940;1453690285;asciilifeform;l0l 1384941;1453690328;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes 1384942;1453690336;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: huh i had no idea editors needed plugins to do that 1384943;1453690373;ben_vulpes;the abominable variable naming alignment, yes 1384944;1453690382;BingoBoingo; so. they took out verifyall in core bitcoind and replaced it with -reindex. -reindex doesn't disregard checkpoints. or at least no one knows if it does or not. how do these people have Ph.D's and shit? << -reindex and -verifyall are two different things. 1384945;1453690399;asciilifeform;incidentally -verifyall was not in the classical bitcoin ! 1384946;1453690401;asciilifeform;i added it ! 1384947;1453690412;mircea_popescu;iirc also .6 branch 1384948;1453690434;asciilifeform;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=verifyall << i don't see any 1384949;1453690435;assbot;Search Results · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JwhEpf ) 1384950;1453690441;mircea_popescu;was a flurry of "build confidence & establish trust" activity cca 2011 / early 2012. 1384951;1453690448;asciilifeform;did they call it something else ? 1384952;1453690453;mircea_popescu;yeah, what was it 1384953;1453690496;mircea_popescu;-checkblocks= How many blocks to check at startup (default: 288, 0 = all) 1384954;1453690509;asciilifeform;288?!! 1384955;1453690517;asciilifeform;how was this arrived at, gotta ask 1384956;1453690528;asciilifeform;ouija board/ 1384957;1453690528;asciilifeform;? 1384958;1453690533;mircea_popescu;heh. this is novel, 1384959;1453690537;mircea_popescu;it's a rewriting of an older thing 1384960;1453690554;mircea_popescu;back when they added "check level" too, maybe 0.9 ? 1384961;1453690808;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/972 < there we go 1384962;1453690810;assbot;Add -checklevel and improve -checkblocks by sipa · Pull Request #972 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwisuq ) 1384963;1453690820;mircea_popescu;later on those 6 levels became just 4. 1384964;1453690904;mircea_popescu;then later went from $$$___MAGIC_nUmBeR...you are not expected to understand how this works...ReBmUn_CIGAM___$$$ = 2500 to $$$___MAGIC_nUmBeR...you are not expected to understand how this works...ReBmUn_CIGAM___$$$ = 288 1384965;1453690918;mircea_popescu;prolly to celebrate someone's girlfriend's success in dieting. 1384966;1453690964;mircea_popescu;("Note that even level 6 does not do signature/script checking." is prolly the best part in all of that junk.) 1384967;1453690977;polarbeard;lol 1384968;1453690995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00056208 = 38.5306 BTC [+] {4} 1384969;1453691116;mircea_popescu;"what happens if a miner includes a bogus tx you say ? oh, the other miners would never extend that chain!" "wait, didn't those same other miners extend a chain that failed the rulechange they supposedly voted for ?" "sfyl". 1384970;1453691849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0005563 = 27.6203 BTC [-] {3} 1384971;1453692154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15367 @ 0.0005629 = 8.6501 BTC [+] {2} 1384972;1453692191;*;mod6 reads logs 1384973;1453692398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198458 @ 0.00056029 = 111.194 BTC [-] {2} 1384974;1453692514;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform well, if there's no consensus, there's no consensus and there it goes. <+mircea_popescu> poor mod6 gets no week off! << ok so no consensus on the space/tabs issue at this time. 1384975;1453692592;mod6;hmm. so then, I believe if i remove the tabs from my S-patch and leave the spaces ~in~, then it'll look more like Mr. P.'s patch he put together. 1384976;1453692608;mod6;i can work on that tonight. 1384977;1453693213;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1384978;1453693220;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 397.45, vol: 5829.09891885 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 396.941, vol: 9116.22499 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 396.66, vol: 27096.81758218 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 387.0, vol: 11.6693 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 402.147406, vol: 62621.59270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.03, vol: 577.58243073 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.674500011, vol: 54.61105441 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1384979;1453693222;BingoBoingo;;;more 1384980;1453693222;gribble;399.991092065 1384981;1453693325;ben_vulpes;ty mod6! 1384982;1453693454;mod6;no problem at all. 1384983;1453693497;mod6;we'll get there, just gotta keep driving towards our goals. 1384984;1453693505;mod6;one line at a time. 1384985;1453693965;mod6;here's what it looks like with only spaces in there (much more similar to Mr. P.'s (second)): http://dpaste.com/03MMVP8.txt 1384986;1453693967;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lIXSv7 ) 1384987;1453695265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.0005631 = 13.2047 BTC [+] 1384988;1453695692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00056247 = 15.1304 BTC [-] 1384989;1453695906;thestringpuller;!t s.mpoe 1384990;1453695906;assbot;These beans is shit. 1384991;1453695911;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe 1384992;1453695911;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005527 / 0.00055992 / 0.00056692 (5975415 shares, 3,345.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00050896 / 0.00055577 / 0.00060199 (23555869 shares, 13,091.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00047125 / 0.00052438 / 0.00060199 (60407942 shares, 31,677.18 BTC) 1384993;1453696210;BingoBoingo;!t s.bbet 1384994;1453696210;assbot;Your actions are useless. 1384995;1453696217;BingoBoingo;!t m s.bbet 1384996;1453696217;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.000121 / 0.000121 / 0.000121 (270 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000121 / 0.00012637 / 0.00013 (670 shares, 0.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00011988 / 0.00013 (3600 shares, 0.43 BTC) 1384997;1453696851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69058 @ 0.00055631 = 38.4177 BTC [-] {4} 1384998;1453697034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00056309 = 7.1231 BTC [+] {2} 1384999;1453697161;deedbot-;[Qntra] Corn Belt Pain Continues As Supply Trickles Into Markets - http://qntra.net/2016/01/corn-belt-pain-continues-as-supply-trickles-into-markets/ 1385000;1453697259;*;BingoBoingo once he completes the re-reading list would like to publish a book, or at least a lecture series title "The Will To Hodl" 1385001;1453697387;*;BingoBoingo also starting to get that uncomfortable feeling of "Alf was right" https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145369611511762&w=2 1385002;1453697644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67149 @ 0.00056502 = 37.9405 BTC [+] {3} 1385003;1453697657;BingoBoingo;"more or less right. Release builds for VAX usually don't end much 1385004;1453697657;BingoBoingo;early before the release. There were already times, where I had to 1385005;1453697657;BingoBoingo;stop them, in order to ship. Those two to three months time, it's a lot 1385006;1453697657;BingoBoingo;of babysitting. When I'm lucky, DPB just dies, and I get mail and 1385007;1453697657;BingoBoingo;restart, if I'm unlucky, it just gets stuck, and I may not recognize it 1385008;1453697657;BingoBoingo;for a (few) day(s)." 1385009;1453697676;BingoBoingo;^ i.e. the testing on exotic hardware appears to be fading 1385010;1453697943;mod6;alright, the DER patch has been sent to the ML: 1385011;1453697944;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000193.html 1385012;1453697945;assbot;[BTC-dev] Enforcement of 'S' value in DER signatures ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMq0uH ) 1385013;1453697982;mod6;And V mirror has been updated, as well as the graph (http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html) 1385014;1453698008;BingoBoingo;mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining? 1385015;1453698016;mod6;yesterday 1385016;1453698035;BingoBoingo;Nah, need more Hodl first 1385017;1453698045;BingoBoingo;Also friendlier locals to work with 1385018;1453698048;mod6;there are dams already, there is one I was just looking at in minneapolis while standing outside in -20 weather. looked reasonable to me! haha. 1385019;1453698091;BingoBoingo;Those dams are weak though. I'm talking south of the Ohio river confluence 1385020;1453698128;mod6;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennepin_Island_Hydroelectric_Plant 1385021;1453698129;assbot;Hennepin Island Hydroelectric Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMqhxX ) 1385022;1453698153;mod6;ah, yah, im sure bigger and better ones would be a good thing, at some point. 1385023;1453698193;mod6;around here, and especially in southern MN & all over Iowa they have HUGE wind turbines in place. 1385024;1453698204;BingoBoingo;I'm talking make 3 gorges look like Hennepin island 1385025;1453698234;mod6;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Iowa 1385026;1453698235;assbot;Wind power in Iowa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMquRG ) 1385027;1453698265;mod6;apparently 5688 MW in '14 1385028;1453698276;*;mod6 looks @ 3 gorges 1385029;1453698311;BingoBoingo;If Bitcoin needs half of ALL the watts it's going to have to happen 1385030;1453698328;mod6;oh yeah, looking at that one, is huge. 1385031;1453698421;mod6;anyway, yeah, it's been on my mind. 1385032;1453698480;BingoBoingo;I figure 1993 flood level presents a decent reservoir target 1385033;1453698545;mod6;yeah, there will be a time when discussions will start around a project like this. 1385034;1453698605;BingoBoingo;Prolly around 2035 1385035;1453698605;mats;what an ecological disaster 1385036;1453698631;BingoBoingo;Not a disaster, would actually solve the mine subsidence problem in a lot of areas 1385037;1453698785;mats;i'm not so sure the wildlife will agree 1385038;1453698938;BingoBoingo;They'll move as they tend to do. 1385039;1453699333;*;BingoBoingo imagines ghetto wildlife relocating to Portland where they tend to be welcomed 1385040;1453699370;ben_vulpes;i am now apparently engaged in an exercise to determine what the oldest version of os x is that can be beaten into supporting software development 1385041;1453699602;BingoBoingo;Why X? Why not VI, VII, VIII, or IX? 1385042;1453699629;BingoBoingo;The others would probably get your shop mad hipster cred 1385043;1453699962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00056664 = 19.9457 BTC [+] {2} 1385044;1453700877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82890 @ 0.00056682 = 46.9837 BTC [+] {2} 1385045;1453700955;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo and his obsession with dead operating systems 1385046;1453700990;ben_vulpes;in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven. 1385047;1453702395;pete_dushenski;fwiw, alleged isis pgp-gram encrypted : https://archive.is/Ro4XZ and decrypted : https://archive.is/pY9BB 1385048;1453702396;assbot;CZhwuXZWAAIQskQ.jpg:large (1023x1260 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpL8u ) 1385049;1453702397;assbot;CZhxu5dWEAcfIzo.jpg:large (1023x1114 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1UlpIJT ) 1385050;1453702402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89695 @ 0.00056357 = 50.5494 BTC [-] {2} 1385051;1453702416;pete_dushenski;gnupg v2... tsk tsk. 1385052;1453702428;pete_dushenski;someone has done their 6 months of log readings 1385053;1453702440;pete_dushenski;*hasn't ! 1385054;1453702656;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384621 << looks like this part of the message is... inside the message. so not pgptron's doing. still, why ? allahusnackbar only knows, but given that they're all probably mega-crypto noobs, it's not inconceivable to imagine this note's use case, even it seems beyond retarded to (i expect) everyone here. 1385055;1453702656;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 00:09:41; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and whose pgptron prints 'Decryption....' 1385056;1453702857;pete_dushenski;and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value) 1385057;1453702954;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384624 << for same reason our terrorism rantings and communiques are in english ? 1385058;1453702954;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 00:10:21; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and why would message text be in english 1385059;1453703015;danielpbarron;my gpg says they aren't even valid key ids 1385060;1453703059;pete_dushenski;ah well then. maybe it was just another lulzy idea that was in fact a thinly veiled hatchet job. alas. 1385061;1453703144;danielpbarron;i would think it's easier to make a real key and decrypt an actual message than to fake the whole thing in video editing but then again I have a dedicated gpg machine and not a video editing one. USG probably has the opposite 1385062;1453703184;pete_dushenski;"first they came for isis for using pgp, but i did nothing. then they... oh wait. they couldn't so anything against isis anyways so what sort of nyooz is this!" 1385063;1453703199;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: probably ? most definitely. like 100%. 1385064;1453703260;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384677 << i lollered 1385065;1453703260;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 00:28:44; mircea_popescu: now a dog you can't trust! 1385066;1453704049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36170 @ 0.00055724 = 20.1554 BTC [-] 1385067;1453705059;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I'll have you know that in the cleaning I've done since last message I dusted a perfectly good machine capable of running OS 7, if only I'd plug in in and the caps haven't gone pop since October when I last plugged it in... 1385068;1453705548;ben_vulpes;but will it compile boost? 1385069;1453705737;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385035 << this makes no sense. if your gf is a secretary and she moves from paper company (A) to another paper company (B) of the same size and just as far from home and for the same pay (but without that bitch midge from accounts payable), the paper industry will make no more "evil ghg", nor kill more fuzzy penguins or whatever it is you imagine anthropomorphised 1385070;1453705737;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 05:10:05; mats: what an ecological disaster 1385071;1453705737;pete_dushenski;disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decreasing the n 1385072;1453705737;pete_dushenski;eed for so much supply, and in fact accelerating bitcoin's achievement of 51% of global supply at a ~lower~ total supply than at present. 1385073;1453705750;BingoBoingo;Who needs boost when you have the full expressive power of motorola 68k assembly? 1385074;1453705757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00055483 = 94.3766 BTC [-] {3} 1385075;1453705767;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: will, say, 10.4 compile boost ? 1385076;1453705773;pete_dushenski;on ppc ! 1385077;1453705820;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: heh okay you got a laugh out of me with that 1385078;1453705852;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i determined tonight that 10.6 is entirely unuseable 1385079;1453705870;pete_dushenski;http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Cross-compile-Boost-library-Thread-System-for-PowerPC-td4643105.html << anyways, answer to my own question. 1385080;1453705872;assbot;Boost - Build - Cross compile Boost library (Thread, System) for PowerPC ... ( http://bit.ly/1OIT5nW ) 1385081;1453705874;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: With same language you can program the two best portable computers ever. The TI-89 and the TI-92 1385082;1453705878;ben_vulpes;os 10 is an operating system for today, not forever 1385083;1453705907;ben_vulpes;!s 100 year editor 1385084;1453705908;assbot;0 results for '100 year editor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=100+year+editor 1385085;1453705924;ben_vulpes;!s quality without a name 1385086;1453705924;assbot;0 results for 'quality without a name' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quality+without+a+name 1385087;1453705936;ben_vulpes;that's a classic, i'm a bit surprised. 1385088;1453705964;pete_dushenski;well, os 11 will be i/os 11 if my convergening line estimator is accurate. so i'll stick with 10 for now :P 1385089;1453706001;ben_vulpes;is that a head and shoulders or death cross or some other technical trading thing? 1385090;1453706017;pete_dushenski;it's the dead steve bounce 1385091;1453706094;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: There won't be an 11 or an XI. The branding isn't as good as X 1385092;1453706099;ben_vulpes;haw haw haw 1385093;1453706111;ben_vulpes;x11 is best x 1385094;1453707526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44241 @ 0.00055724 = 24.6529 BTC [+] 1385095;1453708278;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1384760 srsly 1385096;1453708278;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 01:30:26; *: asciilifeform observes that this thread has already taken up more space than the patch. 1385097;1453708852;BingoBoingo;Soon on fox news: "The lead developer of Bitcoin arrested for drug charges" >> https://archive.is/y7Wjv#selection-4251.0-4251.75 1385098;1453708853;assbot;Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1niRThM ) 1385099;1453709129;BingoBoingo;lulz from #bitcoin-otc-ratings: Rating removed | phantomcircuit > -10 > jason | criminal, stole from coinbase 1385100;1453709737;punkman;loltoomim "What languages do you work in, what's your background in CS?" "I use all languages" "You can't use all languages!" "Well I dunno, I haven't used Haskell or OCaml, but everything else I can think of..." 1385101;1453709907;fluffypony;truly one of the great minds of this generation 1385102;1453709927;fluffypony;clearly his language preference is BrainFuck 1385103;1453709945;punkman;he's improving Coffeescript these days 1385104;1453711429;deedbot-;[Qntra] Mass Ransomware Strike Hits Millions Of Indian Computers - http://qntra.net/2016/01/mass-ransomware-strike-hits-millions-of-indian-computers/ 1385105;1453712524;danielpbarron;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/isis_pgp_qntra.asc.txt 1385106;1453712525;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pfhh2H ) 1385107;1453712525;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1385108;1453712580;BingoBoingo;ty danielpbarron 1385109;1453712797;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: this girl in MO was telling me she works at a place that forces windows use. Someone is hit with ransomware weekly. 1385110;1453712815;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah 1385111;1453712817;BingoBoingo;At least 1385112;1453712854;danielpbarron;someone recently asked me if i wanted to sell bitcoin to someone hit by one of those things 1385113;1453712872;danielpbarron;i said no 1385114;1453712872;thestringpuller;so bitcoin has directly monetized malware 1385115;1453712876;BingoBoingo;best to avoid that poison pill 1385116;1453712901;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You piece is going up as soon as I harmonize some of the vocabulary. 1385117;1453712933;danielpbarron;yeah please do; i can't believe it's 4 my brain is fried 1385118;1453712943;thestringpuller;pre-bitcoin you'd invest in setting up botnet and then monetize the botnet. seems now just put that money into ransomware instead of the botnet. 1385119;1453712968;danielpbarron;i turned down the offer to sell coin, not because of where it would go so much as because I don't know a reliable way to replentish my stock (I haven't used coinbase in a long while) 1385120;1453712985;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: have you tried anyone in web of trust? 1385121;1453712999;danielpbarron;i have but not recently on that one either 1385122;1453713020;thestringpuller;do you use coinbr? 1385123;1453713028;danielpbarron;yeah 1385124;1453713070;thestringpuller;if you can get jurov euros he can get you X.EUR if you are coinbr customer. i'd inquiry with him. 1385125;1453713104;danielpbarron;eeenteresting i might know a euro connect although i doubt it 1385126;1453713253;BingoBoingo;Maybe just get Jurov a duffel bag full of Euros? Everyone needs a vacation sometime. 1385127;1453713274;deedbot-;[Qntra] ISIS/Snowden PGP Comedy - http://qntra.net/2016/01/isissnowden-pgp-comedy/ 1385128;1453713298;BingoBoingo;^ danielpbarron 1385129;1453713319;BingoBoingo;The piece's saving grace is that it was short and thorough. 1385130;1453713378;danielpbarron;that's my style heh 1385131;1453713392;punkman;;;nethash 1385132;1453713393;gribble;990495801.597 1385133;1453713453;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: You know if you could do 10 of these 120 word things a month that would be 1200 s.qntr which are redeemable for... 1385134;1453713463;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin at a market determined rate 1385135;1453713480;thestringpuller;!t m s.qntr 1385136;1453713480;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0003073 / 0.00031877 / 0.00035095 (10852 shares, 3.46 BTC) 1385137;1453713517;thestringpuller;bids are at 23k satoshi right now 1385138;1453713556;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.00023000 * 1200 1385139;1453713557;gribble;0.276 1385140;1453713608;thestringpuller;mpex investors seem to love paying qntra contributors, so it's doing something right. 1385141;1453713801;BingoBoingo;Maybe next year or five years from now we get a revenue in excess of hosting that allows for dividends? Who knows? The future is full of mysteries! 1385142;1453713852;thestringpuller;well ad's prove to have high CTR, just need a little conversions sprinkled on that and who knows 1385143;1453713878;thestringpuller;^- the one that was on qntra sometime last year 1385144;1453713899;thestringpuller;iirc had higher click-thru than most of web 1385145;1453714162;BingoBoingo;I dunno how much to bank on that. The web is ever changing 1385146;1453714530;thestringpuller;digital marekting will likely implode before the next decade. look at the overvaluation of coindesk and coin telegraph where the revenue is entirely that. 1385147;1453714606;thestringpuller;qntra's future will reveal itself in due time. it's quickly growing, and still young. 1385148;1453715319;BingoBoingo;Well now Coindesk lives as this undead thing entirely subsumed to Barry Silber and operated by his mouthpiece Ryan 'TwoBitIdiot' Selkis 1385149;1453715618;BingoBoingo;Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined. 1385150;1453715785;thestringpuller;i haven't seen a broncos superbowl since i was elementary school methinks 1385151;1453715911;BingoBoingo;Same here. 1385152;1453715985;BingoBoingo;Looks like Brady fell apart in this likely last Brady/Peyton Manning matchup. Which is surprising because Peyton himself is barely alive for charitable definitions of alive. 1385153;1453715992;thestringpuller;lol i remember when the falcons played the broncos in the superbowl, and we actually thought we stood a chance. 1385154;1453716022;thestringpuller;lol manning was drafted when I was in middle school 1385155;1453716026;thestringpuller;my how time flies. 1385156;1453716188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00055591 = 13.9606 BTC [-] 1385157;1453716316;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/5kUV5d3.jpg << dunno if joke or real. "Lets turn bitcoin development over to coinbase!" look at what democracy gets you people. srsly, wtf. 1385158;1453716343;thestringpuller;already selling out to corporations and they didn't even need lobbyist this time! 1385159;1453716528;BingoBoingo;lol, Or Coinbase just signing all those votes 1385160;1453716554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101500 @ 0.0005558 = 56.4137 BTC [-] {2} 1385161;1453716851;BingoBoingo;!up p15 1385162;1453716862;BingoBoingo;In other decentralization news from the mines https://torrentfreak.com/oldest-torrent-is-still-being-shared-after-4419-days-160124/ 1385163;1453716863;assbot;World's Oldest Torrent Is Still Being Shared After 4,419 Days - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnCQgE ) 1385164;1453717713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78230 @ 0.00055668 = 43.5491 BTC [+] 1385165;1453721678;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 673 @ 0.00267606 = 1.801 BTC [-] {2} 1385166;1453721678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055376 = 27.2311 BTC [-] {2} 1385167;1453722375;jurov;danielpbarron(and other folks in my WoT): we're using transferwise, works quick and swell so far. For N euro that arrives to my account you get N/1.02 x.eur, discount possible if you can commit to schedule. 1385168;1453722959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115505 @ 0.00055668 = 64.2993 BTC [+] 1385169;1453723142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00055714 = 23.7899 BTC [+] {3} 1385170;1453723386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64574 @ 0.00055331 = 35.7294 BTC [-] {2} 1385171;1453725094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00055283 = 15.2305 BTC [-] 1385172;1453725360;mircea_popescu;!up pi| 1385173;1453725488;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385000 << not a bad idea. 1385174;1453725488;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 04:47:39; *: BingoBoingo once he completes the re-reading list would like to publish a book, or at least a lecture series title "The Will To Hodl" 1385175;1453725594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385027 << cool, 5GW over their lifetime will be just enough to cover the energy cost of hauling in replacements. 1385176;1453725594;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 05:04:25; mod6: apparently 5688 MW in '14 1385177;1453726253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00055271 = 16.9129 BTC [-] {2} 1385178;1453726741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00055775 = 17.7922 BTC [+] 1385179;1453727900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19399 @ 0.00055775 = 10.8198 BTC [+] 1385180;1453728142;punkman;http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/flint-residents-told-that-their-children-could-be-taken-away-if-they-dont-pay-for-citys-poison-water.html 1385181;1453728146;assbot;Flint Residents Told That Their Children Could Be Taken Away If They Don’t Pay For City's Poison Water ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJqdTN ) 1385182;1453728146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29322 @ 0.00055988 = 16.4168 BTC [+] {2} 1385183;1453728333;mircea_popescu;hopefuly taken away to a new prison built in a neighbouring town ? 1385184;1453728512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00056168 = 24.9667 BTC [+] 1385185;1453729061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100400 @ 0.00055576 = 55.7983 BTC [-] {3} 1385186;1453729120;deedbot-;[Trilema] Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. - http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/ 1385187;1453729279;punkman;https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/691592396526718976 1385188;1453729823;asciilifeform;http://www.anagram.com/jcrap << l0ltr0nic 1385189;1453729825;assbot;The Journal of Craptology Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJzHOP ) 1385190;1453729854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19284 @ 0.00056227 = 10.8428 BTC [+] {2} 1385191;1453729978;punkman;https://medium.com/@DonRumsfeld/at-83-i-decided-to-develop-an-app-dadd4e53d342 ahaha 1385192;1453729979;assbot;At 83 I decided to develop an app — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJApf3 ) 1385193;1453730066;asciilifeform;punkman: lulzy. i played what appears to be this game as a boy. 1385194;1453730108;asciilifeform;(and i find it very strange that an adult would play a solitaire, it seems like a serious symptom of 'has no theorems to prove') 1385195;1453730246;punkman;popular with office drones 1385196;1453730279;asciilifeform;also from the link it looks as if he 'produced' it rather than actually wrote anything 1385197;1453730290;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise. 1385198;1453730299;punkman;I also don't get why i's on medium 1385199;1453730352;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, it is exactly 'tumblr' but hasn't yet been cemented in reputation for hosting rabid pheminists etc 1385200;1453730368;asciilifeform;and therefore fashionable. 1385201;1453730384;punkman;why is the journal of craptology full of song videos? 1385202;1453730397;asciilifeform;ask it. 1385203;1453730468;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385180 << i find it interesting that this (entirely plausible, i am directly familiar with an almost identical case involving sewers) incident is only reported in a rag which also covers 'chemtrails' 1385204;1453730468;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 13:22:22; punkman: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/flint-residents-told-that-their-children-could-be-taken-away-if-they-dont-pay-for-citys-poison-water.html 1385205;1453730999;punkman;the gifts of ASN1 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1300237 1385206;1453731002;assbot;Bug 1300237 – CVE-2016-2053 kernel: Kernel panic and system lockup by triggering BUG_ON() in public_key_verify_signature() ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJFPGR ) 1385207;1453731007;fluffypony;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZjTF6SUYAAHGs2.png 1385208;1453731008;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJFTXa ) 1385209;1453731095;asciilifeform;punkman: ahahaha use moar usg standardz! 1385210;1453731462;mircea_popescu; mega-unsurprise. << this "everyone can do it - you could be next - make 10 gazillion renting out the space inside your nose" narrative must be driven!!1 1385211;1453731487;mircea_popescu; I also don't get why i's on medium << because that's what altman's qntra is called. 1385212;1453731520;asciilifeform;in what sense is it a qntra ? 1385213;1453731532;asciilifeform;is nyt a qntra? volkischer beobachter ? 1385214;1453731554;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just like the nigger-death of a naive white libtard is only covered by rags that also cover all sorts of other race insanities. 1385215;1453731562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00055205 = 24.0142 BTC [-] {2} 1385216;1453731571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the sense everyone's mp. aspirational sense. 1385217;1453731662;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.pacificu.edu/~emmons/JofUR/ << heh. 1385218;1453732213;jurov;http://www.explo.yt/alf_us.jpg << asciilifeform 1385219;1453732214;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJMrFe ) 1385220;1453732243;mircea_popescu;lol 1385221;1453732259;asciilifeform;l0lz 1385222;1453732314;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385046 << what's the difference between that universe and this ? (entirely innocent quesiton, i never used os-apple) 1385223;1453732314;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 05:49:50; ben_vulpes: in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven. 1385224;1453732351;asciilifeform;7 was a product of the actual apple co. (vs rebranded 'next') 1385225;1453732355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00055296 = 12.6904 BTC [+] 1385226;1453732359;asciilifeform;i.e. not a unix 1385227;1453732393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385056 << i beg your pardon, "H" ? 1385228;1453732393;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 06:20:57; pete_dushenski: and i just searched for the key id listed there, neither 1650H76 nor 1658OH76 yielded any hits. but then again, why should it ? (aside from the comedic value) 1385229;1453732401;asciilifeform;H. 1385230;1453732405;mircea_popescu;what h. 1385231;1453732424;asciilifeform;on the same planet where gpg prints 'Decrypting......' 1385232;1453732426;mircea_popescu;is this some new utf ? 1385233;1453732458;asciilifeform;nope. 1385234;1453732467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform watch that some towelhead with a quart of brie between his legs stole some code and did the usual "i am 15 yo coder and i can replace strings" thing to it. 1385235;1453732479;asciilifeform;and H ? 1385236;1453732487;mircea_popescu;in principle you can fuck up base64. 1385237;1453732489;mircea_popescu;satoshi did... 1385238;1453732507;mircea_popescu;make it base-snackbar, why not. 1385239;1453732516;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/cL3TM << moar via qntra piece 1385240;1453732517;assbot;Edward Snowden on Twitter: "Journos: The #ISIS video's "encrypted email" is confirmed fake. If any official responds as if it's real, push back. https://t.co/fKHAAk1SAa" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJDfJO ) 1385241;1453732535;mircea_popescu;"is confirmed". who confirmed ? 1385242;1453732544;mircea_popescu;this is like "i am officially the king of caspiar" 1385243;1453732609;punkman;someone on twitter extracted some valid partial gpg packet that said DBC2E82BB763CF80 1385244;1453732610;asciilifeform;all this aside, the thing is entirely indistinguishable from the most idiotic imaginable fake. 1385245;1453732647;mircea_popescu;this much is true. 1385246;1453732683;asciilifeform;wake me up when they have captured nato soldiers write the pubkey out in the sand with the blood of own severed hands. 1385247;1453732686;asciilifeform;on camera. 1385248;1453732707;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's totally what i did o.O 1385249;1453732708;asciilifeform;and then same, layed out using heads. 1385250;1453732748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had the tits thing. similar ! 1385251;1453732764;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385071 << this is nonsense wut. 1385252;1453732764;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 07:08:57; pete_dushenski: disneyesque animalia as. changing gruntwork jobs (which is what power generation is), ceretis paribus, doesn't matter in the slightest to the global ecological footprint. if anything, as bitcoin mining grows into even the double-digits of global power use, it will create a scarcity of electricity for non-mining uses, driving up prices in those other domains, thus decreasing less essential usage, decr 1385253;1453732830;mircea_popescu;first off birds don't just move. they're more adverse to living the swamp they for no good reason call home than alf is. and for the other, demand doesn't create scarcity, that whole branch's not even wrong. 1385254;1453732923;mircea_popescu;assbot: Michael Toomin explains his meltdown, and the structure of Bitcoin Classic (45 min in!) << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing. 1385255;1453733009;mircea_popescu;anyway. let us remind at this juncture that various blathering imbeciles, such as that dude from coinbase, or that dude from the nsa, or that other dude from the nsa, or that other derp "supported" this raging lunacy. 1385256;1453733050;mircea_popescu;ask them next you see them at one of their inept "conferences", sprouting with unwarranted cockyness whatev er bullshit, what happened of their support for this ? 1385257;1453733332;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ". The petrified paper pushers, afraid that actual strong cryptography might catch on among the cattle caste, has sent their favorite stooge to discredit the event." << have sent 1385258;1453733349;mircea_popescu;also spurious paragraph break after 1st note 1385259;1453733658;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://56.media.tumblr.com/93f0434c32aede5c04a5fa5560aca73e/tumblr_nha9j7eqJU1s233qio1_1280.jpg 1385260;1453733659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJUJgf ) 1385261;1453733891;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZghdXeUUAAISoQ.jpg:large 1385262;1453733892;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJVZzX ) 1385263;1453734123;mircea_popescu;http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/internet/fear-and-loathing-in-the-bitcoin-world << bitcoin's formal governing body is amused at the wanna-be's posturing. 1385264;1453734124;assbot;Bitcoin Needs (Gasp!) Formal Governance - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1nJXez4 ) 1385265;1453734126;mircea_popescu;what is ieee again ? 1385266;1453734314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american standards org. 1385267;1453734319;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey thanks for working up the math on the wind power. yeah, looks like that was pretty moronic. 1385268;1453734382;mod6;especially if you can get 4x as much from hydroelectric 1385269;1453734462;mod6;i think one thing thats interesting about alternatives to dams or nuclear is that its less of a central target for sabotage or attack. 1385270;1453734537;mod6;i dunno. 1385271;1453734743;mod6;hmmm. 1385272;1453734792;mod6;more study required. 1385273;1453735161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005523 = 30.4317 BTC [-] 1385274;1453735222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00055191 = 16.0054 BTC [-] 1385275;1453735224;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ 1385276;1453735225;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1385277;1453735469;mod6;oh boy 1385278;1453735710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109536 @ 0.00055189 = 60.4518 BTC [-] {3} 1385279;1453735896;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: re: toomim meltdown << it was hilarious to listen to, cuz he is just like "I'ma stoned. Hue hue hue. I developed consider.it and we gonna use it to fix bitcoin governance problems, cuz like democracy is the shit. And it like works." 1385280;1453735952;thestringpuller;This is why you shouldn't give penniless hippies any nice things ever, cause they will break those nice things. 1385281;1453736564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47720 @ 0.00055296 = 26.3873 BTC [+] 1385282;1453736686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94500 @ 0.00055189 = 52.1536 BTC [-] 1385283;1453736747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00055496 = 36.7295 BTC [+] {2} 1385284;1453737234;adlai;;;nethash 1385285;1453737236;gribble;1001325385.12 1385286;1453737601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59400 @ 0.00055159 = 32.7644 BTC [-] {3} 1385287;1453737967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38398 @ 0.00055622 = 21.3577 BTC [+] {3} 1385288;1453738216;asciilifeform;'This one, however, is different from the rest. The person throwing dirt over the coffin last week was not an outsider, as has most often been the case. It was not some mainstream economist who just doesnt get it. It was not a misinformed journalist fishing for clicks. It was Mike Hearn, a former Google developer, the guy who wrote the first java implementation of Bitcoin. Hes a regular presence at conferences and 1385289;1453738216;asciilifeform;a tireless educator of Bitcoin novices. And his most passionate vituperations were aimed at the people he is now leaving behind. Bitcoin failed, he wrote, because the community has failed.' 1385290;1453738220;asciilifeform;this is just precious. 1385291;1453738516;mircea_popescu;mod6> more study required. << yeah, up until a spinning blade worth 50 tons comes off the fucking 200 foot tall mount. 1385292;1453738532;mircea_popescu;that'll be some pretty epic action movie. 1385293;1453738589;mircea_popescu;"MegaDreidel on the Highway - 7" 1385294;1453738591;asciilifeform;iirc the trend is towards large farms of small propellers 1385295;1453738650;mircea_popescu;hearn is more of an outsider than most outsiders. 1385296;1453738660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i gave a rather low-end typical. 1385297;1453738668;mircea_popescu;ge sold 100's of k's of that one. 1385298;1453738734;mircea_popescu;anyway, the simple proof that wind is purely for show - so that soviet citizen sees it and is impressed with the usg, just like the red army red square parades of otherwise useless missiles - rather than for energy is that the one place where you should have them (tierra del fuego) doesn't have them. 1385299;1453738756;mircea_popescu;by the time you've run out of everything ELSE that has better wind and are putting them in MN the world is half-full of wind turbines. 1385300;1453738775;asciilifeform;there is another interpretation that does not actually contradict this one 1385301;1453738789;asciilifeform;which is that photovoltaic and wind are preparations for what orlov called 'boutique economy' 1385302;1453738801;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the representational needs of the usg are exactly highest in MN as opposed to say alaska. because THAT is the true fronteer atm, separating the bundys from the bahamases. 1385303;1453738806;asciilifeform;where there is no grid 1385304;1453738815;mircea_popescu;ie, survivalist enough to pull a bundy, populated enough to really hurt if it does. 1385305;1453738817;asciilifeform;but titled nobility have something like a 20th century existence 1385306;1453738836;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense. 1385307;1453738844;mircea_popescu;electricity DOES NOT work without the grid. 1385308;1453738867;mircea_popescu;this neatly mirrors our previous discussion, where you were holding that "all civilisation depends on mass market". that much is false. 1385309;1453738873;asciilifeform;entirely without - does not. 1385310;1453738879;mircea_popescu;however, smaller parts of it - such as electricity, DO in fact depend on grid. 1385311;1453738882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106827 @ 0.00056238 = 60.0774 BTC [+] {4} 1385312;1453738903;mircea_popescu;sorta like "carnot engine does not work without atmosphere". in fact that's exactly it. 1385313;1453738903;asciilifeform;but the preparations are for a 'grid lite', a la pyongyang 1385314;1453738908;asciilifeform;where there is grid, for 2-3 hrs/day 1385315;1453738914;asciilifeform;for folks to watch propaganda channel during. 1385316;1453738915;mircea_popescu;without a diffuse network to lose into, electricity is a hair raising proposition 1385317;1453738939;mircea_popescu;seems improbable, but what am i gonna say. 1385318;1453738948;mircea_popescu;no political system survives that sort of "4 hours a day" bs. 1385319;1453738976;asciilifeform;why not ? 1385320;1453738990;asciilifeform;plenty of turd world pissholes 'function' on 0 hrs. 1385321;1453739011;mircea_popescu;because my slaves obey me 24/7, and that leaves 20hours/day unoccupied for the cattle. 1385322;1453739012;asciilifeform;and pyongyang is still there 1385323;1453739018;mircea_popescu;they'll migrate to the system of full occupancy. 1385324;1453739044;mircea_popescu;pyongyang is still there at incredible sino-usg expenditure. 1385325;1453739053;mircea_popescu;who's gonna do that for the us, martians ? 1385326;1453739059;mircea_popescu;nobody cares enough. 1385327;1453739102;mircea_popescu;you'll notice that "third world pissholes" don't function in the sense of "person mp doesn't like vacations there". 1385328;1453739218;asciilifeform;at any rate, my observation was re: what usg ~thinks~ it is doing when supporting crackpot energy wunderwaffen 1385329;1453739223;asciilifeform;rather than the likely result 1385330;1453739256;asciilifeform;the economics of wunderwaffen are a fascinating mixture of crackpottery, legit invention, and lunatic desperation 1385331;1453739288;asciilifeform;i've been reading a ru treatise on mines (the kind that undermined castle walls, and the kind that explode, rather than the kind where dwarves toil) 1385332;1453739315;asciilifeform;and there was an interesting bit about how germany switched to producing the obsolete and suicidally unstable trinitrophenol in 1944 1385333;1453739335;asciilifeform;instead of civilized brissant explosives (e.g., trinitrotoluene, hexagen, etc) 1385334;1453739379;asciilifeform;historians like to expound on the 'sexy' wunderwaffen, rather than this. 1385335;1453739392;asciilifeform;but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing. 1385336;1453739423;asciilifeform;and we are likely to see recognizable riffs on this theme as usg rockets along its path to the bunker of '45. 1385337;1453739447;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> that'll be some pretty epic action movie. << haha, yah. oh well. 1385338;1453739472;asciilifeform;desperation, cheap hacks, disaster, rinse & repeat 1385339;1453740469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89650 @ 0.00055143 = 49.4357 BTC [-] {2} 1385340;1453740774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286750 @ 0.00055118 = 158.0509 BTC [-] {6} 1385341;1453740952;mod6;MN has 3 nuclear powerplants apparently. 1385342;1453741010;mod6;Must have figured it was a cheaper alternative. *shrug* They might have some others that run on coal or oil even? Not sure. 1385343;1453741249;mod6;4 Coal, 3 Hydroelectric, 1 Natgas, 3 Nuclear and 2 windfarm 1385344;1453741255;mod6;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Power_stations_in_Minnesota 1385345;1453741256;assbot;Category:Power stations in Minnesota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZNCVMY ) 1385346;1453741563;mod6;i can see the natgas one from my office. 1385347;1453741848;thestringpuller;i love natgas 1385348;1453741857;thestringpuller;powered by farts 1385349;1453742116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70154 @ 0.00055929 = 39.2364 BTC [+] {2} 1385350;1453743702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93250 @ 0.00055088 = 51.3696 BTC [-] {2} 1385351;1453743804;jurov;hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy. 1385352;1453743971;kakobrekla;the mud that the hydro dams collect is not toxic but much needed nutrients for plants down the stream 1385353;1453743996;jurov;.. in the rare cases there is no industry upstream 1385354;1453744129;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 388 @ 0.00271842 = 1.0547 BTC [+] {2} 1385355;1453744130;kakobrekla;well they would still get that in either case 1385356;1453744166;jurov;since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose 1385357;1453744186;jurov;while contributing measly 1% to nation's electrcity supply 1385358;1453744199;jurov;(and another 3% thanks to Danube) 1385359;1453744202;kakobrekla;newer dams are actually built in a way that flushes that sediments periodically, they fucked it up on the Nile tho. 1385360;1453744302;punkman;http://dpaste.com/19JPBPT slightly relevant 1385361;1453744304;assbot;dpaste: 19JPBPT ... ( http://bit.ly/1OK8btr ) 1385362;1453744428;jurov;we are 53% nuclear, and another 2 blocks are in development, it should result in cheapest electricity around 1385363;1453744434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72850 @ 0.00054992 = 40.0617 BTC [-] {3} 1385364;1453744444;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi 1385365;1453744444;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining? 1385366;1453745044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108700 @ 0.0005593 = 60.7959 BTC [+] 1385367;1453746208;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> but wunderwaffen-warfare is ~largely~ this kind of thing. << quite very much so. and tlp's "frantic activity as a cover for impotence" explains a lot of it. 1385368;1453746277;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040314 1385369;1453746277;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 02:43:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg 1385370;1453746326;mircea_popescu;anyway. picric acid at least is more stable than guncotton, the golden standard of "oops, we fired our cannon there goes the ship" application 1385371;1453746366;asciilifeform;jp lost more than one ship to own 'shimoza' (trinitrophenol) shell magazines 1385372;1453746413;asciilifeform;and ru navy had only picrin (on account of tnp having killed their top armaments designer, when he experimented personally) and to this is often attributed the loss in 1907 1385373;1453746447;mircea_popescu;jurov this slander re hydro is not unlike saying sex leads to saggy boobs. 1385374;1453746492;jurov;? 1385375;1453746499;PeterL; http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg << is that a shaped charge spear? 1385376;1453746500;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7fiNx ) 1385377;1453746510;mircea_popescu;<jurov> since the 1950s the hydropower potential of Vah river in Slovakia was almost completely developed and exactly this happened, lakes brim-full of stuff noone knows how to dispose << this may be, but on the other hand romania exists as an industrial power rather than an argentinian farm shithole strictly because of massive hydro power developments post ww2 1385378;1453746524;asciilifeform;PeterL: yes. also known as the 'lunge mine'. it had no delay fuse at all! 1385379;1453746542;mircea_popescu;sex leads to saggy boobs : saggy boobs are seen in all females after 20-30 years of fucking, if not earlier. 1385380;1453746561;asciilifeform;there is an interesting clip somewhere on the net of the vietnamese army, some time in the era of ho chi minh, marching around proudly with these (presumably captured from jp forces in ww2) 1385381;1453746581;asciilifeform;the message, presumably, being 'we will die gloriously' 1385382;1453746592;PeterL;I guess the question is, does it work? 1385383;1453746600;mircea_popescu;not by itself, no. 1385384;1453746602;asciilifeform;PeterL: dunno, never tried personally 1385385;1453746616;asciilifeform;if you can get close enough to the tank - any tank, even modern one - it will work great... 1385386;1453746639;PeterL;and user is not harmed by device? 1385387;1453746640;asciilifeform;the pegs are standoffs - shaped charge requires them 1385388;1453746643;asciilifeform;user - dies. 1385389;1453746648;asciilifeform;i thought this was pretty clear. 1385390;1453746651;mircea_popescu;not modern ones, at least not the ones with the active armor additions. 1385391;1453746663;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sufficiently large shaped charge blows a hole through whatever. 1385392;1453746667;mircea_popescu;not so. 1385393;1453746668;PeterL;I dunno, I'm not that familliar with shaped charges 1385394;1453746676;jurov;yes it helped romania. how does it invalidate the argument? 1385395;1453746677;mircea_popescu;through whatever passive. 1385396;1453746693;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in any case that's what the ~second~ hit is for 1385397;1453746694;mircea_popescu;jurov the saggy tits thing invalidates the 'argument' such as it is. 1385398;1453746706;mircea_popescu;the bit of history just mopped off whatever surviving bits left around 1385399;1453746715;jurov;romania has pointy tits. and? 1385400;1453746725;mircea_popescu;uh. are you being purposefully thick ? 1385401;1453746738;mircea_popescu;the hydro plant has exactly nothing to do with pollutants upstream. 1385402;1453746744;jurov;i think you are 1385403;1453746770;jurov;on one hand, you say hydro was developed because of industry 1385404;1453746780;mircea_popescu;so on one hand your argument is logically unsound, and on the other hand the benefit of hydro is certain. 1385405;1453746784;jurov;on other hand you handwave the pollution away 1385406;1453746812;mircea_popescu;equating pollution and industry is not unlike equating homosexuality and poor hygiene. 1385407;1453746840;jurov;yeees? where clean industry exists? 1385408;1453746863;jurov;in your head. 1385409;1453746874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00054927 = 53.9658 BTC [-] {3} 1385410;1453746888;mircea_popescu;how do you define "clean" ? if you meaqn absolutely clean, not only does not such industry exist, but in point of fact no such hygiene exists either. 1385411;1453746984;jurov;that was not my point. i wanted to say, there are cubic kilometers of liabilities likely to happen 1385412;1453747044;mircea_popescu;well, look at it the other way : maybe it finally provides the much needed impetuus to force the polluters upstream to clean up their act. 1385413;1453747061;jurov;maybe. 1385414;1453747064;mircea_popescu;if there's nothing but textile mill on the veh, textile mill gets to poison the river. 1385415;1453747083;mircea_popescu;if there's both mill and hydro plant, well... finally ecoregulations can be forced on the mill. and if it doesn't like it... fuck you, move to germany. 1385416;1453747091;mircea_popescu;we'll live off of selling electricity to you there. 1385417;1453747189;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/heres-where-you-forget-about-wind-power-as-an-alternative-source-of-power/#comment-116338 1385418;1453747190;assbot;Here's where you forget about "wind power" as an alternative source of power. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlkqOC ) 1385419;1453747315;mircea_popescu;anyway, re nuclear. while it is dirty in a certain way, it has an advantage nothing else does : it would work just as well with the sun turned off. this is a big deal, fundamentally. whether it means anything in practice or not... well... 1385420;1453747350;mircea_popescu;(before you say "so do fossils" - think again. where do you get the oxygen ?) 1385421;1453747460;mircea_popescu;contrary to aqll the brouhaha at the time, about how "mankind has found the way to end itself" bla bla, nothing could be further from the truth. nuclear power provides humanity a hard guarantee against large scale catastrophe that no other life has, nor could have without thios particular tech. 1385422;1453747485;mircea_popescu;it quite literally represents security from thermodynamics, in a way very similar to how the bombs were marketed at the time to represent "Security from the enemies". 1385423;1453747568;mircea_popescu;(and yes this has been tested in practice, it's not at all theoretical. nuclear subs are more important for THIS reason than whatever justified their existence at the time.) 1385424;1453747577;jurov;99% of nuclear is unusable without ample access to cooling water 1385425;1453747635;mircea_popescu;sure. doesn't do much for this discussion. 1385426;1453747667;mircea_popescu;if the sun does turn off, you'll have more ice than you'll know what to do with. 1385427;1453747836;mod6;<+PeterL> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385014 << hydro power is proportional to water drop, you can't really get much power out of a flat river like missississippi << very true. the one we were discussing yesterday is at St. Anthonys Falls. Which apparently helped the city long ago get its start. Its not very big, and since they put in the dam, apparenlty this has eroded the origin 1385428;1453747836;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 05:00:08; BingoBoingo: mod6: When do you think it would make sense to dam the Mississippi river to generate hydroelectric power for mining? 1385429;1453747842;mod6;al falls away and now is back further? 1385430;1453747845;mod6;Need to look this up quick. 1385431;1453747858;mircea_popescu;also - the way nuclear is dirty is very peculiar. pollution in the sense of poison - kills everyone. pollution in the sense of nuclear leakeage - does not. it just shortens lifespan and increases the angle of attack at DNA research. 1385432;1453747861;jurov;don't forget geothermal, better accessible and will keep working for millions of years 1385433;1453747872;mircea_popescu;it does not present an actual species threat for any species. 1385434;1453747930;mircea_popescu;and yeah, geothermal. in fact that'll be the competition in case of new ice age. nuclear vs geothermal. 1385435;1453747935;mircea_popescu;would make a pretty splendid sf novel too. 1385436;1453748007;mircea_popescu;(all this talk re new ice age is quite on point, incidentally. the crazed us cultists of pseudoscience are loudly proclaiming a narrative bluntly contradictory to the data. altogether more likely we're headed for cool.) 1385437;1453748061;mod6;maybe im not quite right about the erosion, anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Anthony_Falls 1385438;1453748061;assbot;Saint Anthony Falls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlnlHe ) 1385439;1453748551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re the picric acid... going anhydrous phenol + fuming sulphuric acid to get hydroxyphenylsulfonic acid and then fuming nitric acid on top of that... should be a fun little experiment :D 1385440;1453748641;asciilifeform;allahsnackbar.jpg 1385441;1453748696;mircea_popescu;just keep it cool, bruh. 1385442;1453749253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00054862 = 28.9671 BTC [-] {2} 1385443;1453749741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99032 @ 0.00055727 = 55.1876 BTC [+] {5} 1385444;1453750744;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: I'm applying for a job in Portland, Oregon. 1385445;1453750750;thestringpuller;We'll see how this goes! 1385446;1453751005;punkman;https://z.cash/ ZookoCoin 1385447;1453751006;assbot;Zcash - All coins are created equal. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2BJm ) 1385448;1453751022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60668 @ 0.00056117 = 34.0451 BTC [+] {3} 1385449;1453751047;asciilifeform;zerocoin again ? 1385450;1453751073;asciilifeform;https://z.cash/team.html << usg rogue's gallery 1385451;1453751074;assbot;Zcash - Our Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZO2QUR ) 1385452;1453751100;asciilifeform;incl. our old 'friends', roger ver, and pantera co 1385453;1453751160;thestringpuller;oh roger verified, is dat nigga even in WoT? 1385454;1453751232;asciilifeform;https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark << the crypto lib the thing rides on, in case anybody gives half a shit 1385455;1453751233;assbot;scipr-lab/libsnark - C++ - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuy1ch ) 1385456;1453751237;asciilifeform;(i can't bring myself to) 1385457;1453751269;asciilifeform;holy fuck the academitardism. 1385458;1453751309;asciilifeform;i am dealing with something quite similar on the other side of my desk, but folks ~pay~ on that side 1385459;1453751319;punkman;https://github.com/Electric-Coin-Company/zcash/tree/zc.v0.11.2.latest/depends/packages 1385460;1453751320;assbot;zcash/depends/packages at zc.v0.11.2.latest · Electric-Coin-Company/zcash · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuyb38 ) 1385461;1453751345;asciilifeform;for fucks sake. 1385462;1453751396;asciilifeform;why does it need ~both~ qt and x11 ? 1385463;1453751404;punkman;why not 1385464;1453751518;punkman;does PRB need dbus btw? 1385465;1453751524;asciilifeform;no idea 1385466;1453751529;asciilifeform;wouldn't surprise me if it did 1385467;1453751998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00056244 = 26.8846 BTC [+] 1385468;1453752547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11614 @ 0.00056117 = 6.5174 BTC [-] {2} 1385469;1453752560;BingoBoingo; also spurious paragraph break after 1st note << both fixed 1385470;1453752733;BingoBoingo; ... << dude, i don't care if he gives away clinton's hairy snatch and the secret of immortality 45 minutes in. who the fuck has the time for this sorta thing. << Reddit commnets were lulzy. Didn't sonsider anyone would try listening or operate a browser capable of listening. 1385471;1453752969;BingoBoingo; hydropower means large lagoons that tend to acumulate toxic deposits that noone wants to touch. coal and nuclear mean radioactive toxic waste, too. while defunct windmill means piece of perfectly usable structural alloy. << How is this different from the Mississippi river at present? 1385472;1453753005;jurov;i am no mississippi expert 1385473;1453753031;BingoBoingo;peterL, Just gotta raise the river then 1385474;1453753096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00055994 = 41.1556 BTC [-] {2} 1385475;1453753277;BingoBoingo;jurov: Every city's sewer and all the various indistry along it constantly pump weird shit into it. 1385476;1453753880;jurov;BingoBoingo: it's different when it's continuously mixed and when it's allowed to settle down and concentrate 1385477;1453753931;BingoBoingo;Well it already settles down and concentrates in the Gulf of Mexico. This would just move where it happens. 1385478;1453753950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117590 @ 0.00056235 = 66.1267 BTC [+] {5} 1385479;1453754163;jurov;In the Gulf of Mexico there's little change it will spill and kill everything downstream 1385480;1453754447;BingoBoingo;Sure, in the gulf of Mexico it just makes big dead zones. Moving the mess upstream preserves tropical beaches while flooding ghetto 1385481;1453754560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36046 @ 0.00056251 = 20.2762 BTC [+] 1385482;1453754627;BingoBoingo;In other lulz https://archive.is/LY9is and https://archive.is/W9HlJ << Delicious tears 1385483;1453754628;assbot;"Give Coinbase Full Control Over Bitcoin Development" has consensus! : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20po8dA ) 1385484;1453754629;assbot;Bitcoin Classic is being attacked, have you noticed? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20po918 ) 1385485;1453754884;thestringpuller;thos were pretty lulzy 1385486;1453755111;BingoBoingo;https://sli.mg/a/uG7lU9 1385487;1453755112;assbot;Fatty thinks flying is a right, doesn't understand why its being "discriminated" against ... ( http://bit.ly/20poKA5 ) 1385488;1453755233;mircea_popescu;heh look at all the kids that don't know better / derps nobody heard about coralled by pantera and advised by gavin & schmuckteam. 1385489;1453755268;mircea_popescu;<punkman> does PRB need dbus btw? << it should, really. 1385490;1453755312;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << ideally, put it on a jack. "maybe i'll come down, maybe i won't. don't mess up my beer, man!" 1385491;1453755357;thestringpuller;wasn't pantera a 90's metal band? 1385492;1453755369;BingoBoingo;Well, if the dam is tall enough the Mississippi will fill up a good basin. Just gotta make 1993 flood the low water mark 1385493;1453755407;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: pantera 'capital' too. 1385494;1453755414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00056257 = 30.4913 BTC [+] {3} 1385495;1453755437;mircea_popescu;ok the 2nd BingoBoingo link was kinda lulzy. 1385496;1453755469;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#942641 1385497;1453755469;assbot;Logged on 02-12-2014 20:47:02; BingoBoingo: Indictment: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/ 1385498;1453755471;pete_dushenski;etc. 1385499;1453755507;mircea_popescu;in other news that are nevertheless more relevant to bitcoin than reddit will ever be, http://40.media.tumblr.com/21e7e3dfeb3aabebd8139cbb1937a3f8/tumblr_ni8bn65F111s5t2ojo1_500.jpg 1385500;1453755507;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20pph4T ) 1385501;1453755507;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: He's trying to make joke about the band Pantera. RIP Dimebag 1385502;1453755532;*;pete_dushenski used to listen to pantera, the band, a bit. 1385503;1453755621;*;asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks 1385504;1453755649;BingoBoingo;cool 1385505;1453755663;BingoBoingo;Happens from time to time 1385506;1453755687;asciilifeform;not so cool, apparently these are no longer made 1385507;1453755688;BingoBoingo;Surge protecting part is a wear item 1385508;1453755707;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nobody ever gives a fuck about the oxide varistor, it does exactly nothing 1385509;1453755717;asciilifeform;it's the switches that make that thing spiffy 1385510;1453755740;asciilifeform;(it was the horizontal kind with individual togglers for each mains plug) 1385511;1453755747;BingoBoingo;Oh 1385512;1453755766;jurov;http://www.ethereumpyramid.com/ forget systemd. prb must support this! 1385513;1453755767;assbot;Ethereum Pyramid Contract ... ( http://bit.ly/20ppCVi ) 1385514;1453755782;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread, now that zooko is coopted, and previously chaum, and who else, 1385515;1453755794;asciilifeform;how many cryptographers even left ? 1385516;1453755796;asciilifeform;bernstein ? 1385517;1453755825;asciilifeform;(who exactly ~was~ zooko? known for anything other than 'triangle' aphorism ?) 1385518;1453755986;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: random question: what is your favorite video game? 1385519;1453756003;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'video' ? 1385520;1453756031;thestringpuller;yes as in thing you put in computer with flashing lights and stuff that you play for fun 1385521;1453756038;asciilifeform;ah so computer 1385522;1453756047;BingoBoingo;!b 4 1385523;1453756048;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/311FY0C.txt ) 1385524;1453756050;asciilifeform;('video' where i live traditionally refers to game consoles that plug into tv) 1385525;1453756062;thestringpuller;those too 1385526;1453756066;asciilifeform;those i never had 1385527;1453756083;thestringpuller;aha. I imagine you would be good at Real Time Strategy games. 1385528;1453756094;asciilifeform;eh rts is a mouse-clicking contest 1385529;1453756094;thestringpuller;Although I don't know anyone that can compete with the Koreans in Starcraft 1385530;1453756101;asciilifeform;i much liked, e.g., civ1 1385531;1453756125;thestringpuller;i can see you liking sid meiers' stuff 1385532;1453756139;polarbeard;starcraft is more like real time chess, I'd say 1385533;1453756151;polarbeard;and *also* a clicking contest 1385534;1453756169;*;asciilifeform pictures realtime chess 1385535;1453756184;thestringpuller;clicking contest only happens in micro. 1385536;1453756202;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230700 1385537;1453756202;assbot;Logged on 08-08-2015 06:50:36; asciilifeform: reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs 1385538;1453756206;thestringpuller;you have to keep the economy healthier than your enemies so you can outproduce them. 1385539;1453756208;polarbeard;which is 60% of winning on starcraft 1385540;1453756233;polarbeard;battling correctly is even more important than correct resource management 1385541;1453756252;polarbeard;it allows you to have any chance against a zerg rush 1385542;1453756262;thestringpuller;Can be. but if you win battle an opponent is still out producing, you can sway battle. 1385543;1453756289;polarbeard;that's why, I say battling correctly is more important but not much more 1385544;1453756293;thestringpuller;Best counter to zerg rush walling off 1385545;1453756306;thestringpuller;the resources zerg has to put into a rush usually puts them at a defecit in mid game 1385546;1453756315;polarbeard;best counter to zerg rush is correct drone battling 1385547;1453756334;thestringpuller;only sometimes. cauze I can get a zealot to pop out within 1 minute of game 1385548;1453756357;polarbeard;but zealot rush sucks against other race's rush 1385549;1453756387;thestringpuller;you don't rush with zealots you stand guard. protoss is extremely good at defense. 1385550;1453756391;polarbeard;marines will shot him dead from the distance 1385551;1453756417;polarbeard;yes, but zealots are not ready when zerglings are 1385552;1453756430;thestringpuller;1 zealot can take out about 4 zerglings 1385553;1453756440;thestringpuller;2 can take out about 9 1385554;1453756444;polarbeard;after the zerglings killed all the protos drones 1385555;1453756470;thestringpuller;it's good form to put 1 cannon behind mineral field for rush 1385556;1453756482;thestringpuller;which doesn't cap your resources in building zealots 1385557;1453756485;polarbeard;you can't go for zealots and cannons and resist a zerg rush 1385558;1453756487;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/OC3VflB.jpg 1385559;1453756488;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgDGfX ) 1385560;1453756539;polarbeard;if the map allows it, you may go for cannons and almost surely kill the rush, otherwise you better move those zealots damn well, as you move the drones out of the way 1385561;1453756573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50150 @ 0.00056258 = 28.2134 BTC [+] 1385562;1453756784;thestringpuller;polarbeard: I probably need to watch more replays. 1385563;1453756805;thestringpuller;I'm still new to SC2. I'm a WC3 player mostly. Was okay at SC but not any good by any means. 1385564;1453756837;polarbeard;my very best friend is a top player, we played together since the beginning, but he became incredibly good and I stopped playing :) 1385565;1453756852;polarbeard;I actually was referring to SC and SC brood wars 1385566;1453756858;polarbeard;I have no idea of the SC2 mechanics 1385567;1453756887;polarbeard;it probably got shittier/more complex/less fun/more spectacular 1385568;1453756888;polarbeard;idk 1385569;1453757082;BingoBoingo;BURNSIDE https://archive.is/Jt2kk 1385570;1453757084;assbot;Coinbase denies users access to their account records, prevents users from doing their taxes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgENMJ ) 1385571;1453757153;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385534 << 10 seconds and 5 seconds / move variants got quite popular. 1385572;1453757153;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 21:09:29; *: asciilifeform pictures realtime chess 1385573;1453757316;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385558 << fuck you, go lose weight before you do anything else. 1385574;1453757316;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 21:14:47; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/OC3VflB.jpg 1385575;1453757370;mircea_popescu;us "universities" should absoluely put bmi on the list of quals. 1385576;1453757379;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Standard in chess now is usually 5 or 10 seconds every move before time start coming off the main game clock. 1385577;1453757388;mircea_popescu;they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree" 1385578;1453757416;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo back when i still had a faint interest it was iirc 60 mins for 60 moves. 1385579;1453757448;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, now with the digital clocks they just do a time delay. 1385580;1453757544;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42n7r0/how_to_sybil_attack_bitcoinclassicconsiderit_with/ << LOL. The Toomim's are getting hit with Sybil attacks now. 1385581;1453757549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00056549 = 53.665 BTC [+] {6} 1385582;1453757671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00055808 = 31.5036 BTC [-] {3} 1385583;1453757703;mircea_popescu;either that or redditards learned a new word from yest's ba log. 1385584;1453757730;ben_vulpes;thestringpuller: with whom? 1385585;1453757809;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: simple.com 1385586;1453757814;thestringpuller;i'm going to go work for the banks! 1385587;1453757816;ben_vulpes;good people over ther. 1385588;1453757840;ben_vulpes;any idea what department? 1385589;1453757989;thestringpuller;I'm applying to engineering. They just have general listings. So we'll see how it goes. 1385590;1453758026;ben_vulpes;gl 1385591;1453758035;ben_vulpes;i'll buy you a beer and a blunt after your interview 1385592;1453758074;thestringpuller;If I get to the interview process. I have no connections inside the company so i'm just a rando applying to the company. 1385593;1453758079;PeterL; peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam? 1385594;1453758103;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: but yea if I do get that far I'll take you up on that. 1385595;1453758265;danielpbarron;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZlj99KUsAAKyaO.jpg:large << 'ass'ets from a twatter follower of mine 1385596;1453758266;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgHoqb ) 1385597;1453758543;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385577 << iirc they used to have this at mit 1385598;1453758543;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 21:29:48; mircea_popescu: they're shit by now anyway, least they could do is "sorry hon, you're 20 lbs over maximum, can't have college degree" 1385599;1453758552;asciilifeform;but at any rate hardly anybody gets fat in uni 1385600;1453758560;asciilifeform;(this would require food) 1385601;1453758566;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: notbad 1385602;1453758716;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: everyone gets fat at uni ? "freshman 15" 1385603;1453758746;asciilifeform;wut 1385604;1453758753;thestringpuller;that's not real. 1385605;1453758753;pete_dushenski;too busy to eat well and exercise because of studying 1385606;1453758769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95000 @ 0.00056778 = 53.9391 BTC [+] {2} 1385607;1453758769;pete_dushenski;it's very real 1385608;1453758770;thestringpuller;usually it's the girls who get fat when they stop caring. 1385609;1453758784;thestringpuller;had an ex who gained like 40 pounds during her duration in school 1385610;1453758789;thestringpuller;cuz too lazy to go to gym 1385611;1453758796;BingoBoingo; peterL, Just gotta raise the river then << this works in narrow canyons, not so much on plains. You gonna build a 100 mile wide dam? << What else. Lots of ghetto to cover 1385612;1453759032;PeterL;from BingoBoingo link to fat rant: "the look of horror that a thin, cis woman flashed me when she realized that she'd be sitting next to me" << What, a gay chick is going to be excited to cuddle up with fatty chunks for a couple hours? (and wtf is this text in image crap, can't even copy/paste!) 1385613;1453759067;BingoBoingo;PeterL: It is a defect of their culture 1385614;1453759096;PeterL;plus, this writing style really grates on me. I feel like I would hate her even if she was not fat. 1385615;1453759122;thestringpuller;it's not fat it's curvy 1385616;1453759159;PeterL;there is curvy, and fat. curvy is nice, fat is disgusting. 1385617;1453759292;thestringpuller;i kno right. lets clean da folds! 1385618;1453759313;thestringpuller;curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants. 1385619;1453759346;mod6;;;halfreward 1385620;1453759348;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 17 06:02:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 24 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds. 1385621;1453759369;mod6;;;tslb 1385622;1453759371;gribble;Time since last block: 12 minutes and 36 seconds 1385623;1453759639;BingoBoingo; curvy girls have nice asses tho. the ones that look like they wanna bust out of a pair of yoga pants. << Those asses come from squats, not Beetus 1385624;1453760113;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dear bitbet mods, please to close and resolve as yes. 1385625;1453760113;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.65 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closing in 8 months 2 weeks | weight: 82`743 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs ) 1385626;1453760134;pete_dushenski;looks like xt bet is now most highrollerest. 1385627;1453760228;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385149 << speaking of bitbet, go denver. 1385628;1453760228;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 09:53:38; BingoBoingo: Anyways for people who care about the NFL chain (maybe BitBet) A Denver Broncos versus Carolina Panthers superbowl was mined. 1385629;1453760405;PeterL;https://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/ << newest bitbet - is there something particularly interesting about SC instead of NH or Iowa? 1385630;1453760405;assbot;BitBet - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary :: 0.39 B (78%) on Yes, 0.11 B (22%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 3 days | weight: 96`236 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Un5Xlb ) 1385631;1453760430;copypaste;i bet on the more general "Trump wins the nomination" 1385632;1453760432;copypaste;on yes. 1385633;1453760488;*;danielpbarron is the dummy who started the rand paul bet 1385634;1453760505;PeterL;you bet yes on Rand? 1385635;1453760511;BingoBoingo;OMG look at pete_dushenski BitBet lawyering 1385636;1453760521;danielpbarron;yeah, and to my dismay he's not even in the debates anymore 1385637;1453760545;BingoBoingo;PeterL: SC is the first contest in an area that's actually populated to the point it has black people. 1385638;1453760549;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: :D 1385639;1453760551;PeterL;he is still the most reasonable of the candidates, unfortunately American's don't care about that 1385640;1453760562;copypaste;indeed 1385641;1453760563;trinque;president Camacho Trump incoming 1385642;1453760575;danielpbarron;i don't actually care if he wins beyond me wanting to win the bet; i personally wouldn't vote for him 1385643;1453760579;copypaste;Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship 1385644;1453760583;copypaste;Shopwmanship wins in American politics 1385645;1453760626;danielpbarron;last guy i would've voted for was his dad, Ron Paul 1385646;1453760648;BingoBoingo;copypaste: Notice though that Trump's showmanship was engrained in the public through NBC, a well known alias for Cliter's recto-vaginal fistula 1385647;1453760721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151590 @ 0.00055882 = 84.7115 BTC [-] {6} 1385648;1453761236;mod6;;;tslb 1385649;1453761240;gribble;Time since last block: 21 minutes and 22 seconds 1385650;1453761416;PeterL;my prediction for republicans: Trump will win several early states, but as various candidates drop out trump will stay at that 25-30% and one of the other candidates will beat him in the later states 1385651;1453761964;thestringpuller;!up bagels7 1385652;1453762029;bagels7;We had a chicken that toughed out every night in the tree including -30'C storms, the rest slept in the coop 1385653;1453762186;BingoBoingo;"A central figure in the Trump-acceptance movement is former presidential nominee and Senate majority leader Bob Dole, the erstwhile Republican establishment standard-bearer who is now just another elderly person in Kansas." << Also former Viagra spokesman 1385654;1453762194;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Ruukz 1385655;1453762196;assbot;The GOP establishment is pretending to warm to Donald Trump. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwdhFu ) 1385656;1453762232;mod6;Another round of live-fire tests after building deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh [ with a change to line 61 to: './v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch' as to include the mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch and alf's latest two ] -- the full orchastra builds and works as expected: http://dpaste.com/1S8GVD9.txt 1385657;1453762233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwdh8z ) 1385658;1453762734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78650 @ 0.00054958 = 43.2245 BTC [-] {4} 1385659;1453762778;pete_dushenski;mod6: wd! 1385660;1453763297;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/PaHLgO0.png 1385661;1453763298;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwfQaF ) 1385662;1453763522;punkman;http://kottke.org/16/01/a-small-2009-car-demolishes-a-1959-chevy-in-a-crash-test 1385663;1453763523;assbot;A small 2009 car demolishes a 1959 Chevy in a crash test ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzmW3s ) 1385664;1453763649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36670 @ 0.00054851 = 20.1139 BTC [-] {2} 1385665;1453763660;mircea_popescu;PeterL what the dude making the bet cared about ? i imagine he's from sc or whatever. 1385666;1453763718;mircea_popescu; Rand wouldn't be a bad president, but Trump has more of the showmanship << maybe they name the USS Flagship "Hairpiece" after him. 1385667;1453763839;mircea_popescu;yeah, the ram/hdd division is REALLY important. so let's make more flash-based "hdds". 1385668;1453763934;punkman;spinning rust sucks 1385669;1453763964;asciilifeform;^ 1385670;1453763978;punkman;and the ram/hdd division is most likely going away 1385671;1453764076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49183 @ 0.00056397 = 27.7377 BTC [+] {2} 1385672;1453764181;mircea_popescu;240 * 14383 * 1.25 = 4314900 1385673;1453764182;mircea_popescu;oops. 1385674;1453764401;punkman;"And with persistent transactional memory, there’s an issue that will surely make you smile with recognition: in-place of managing the relationship between volatile memory and disk, we now have to manage the relationship between the volatile CPU cache and memory! It’s all the same considerations (forcing, stealing etc.) but in a new context and with a few new twists." 1385675;1453764478;mircea_popescu;"we" don't have to do any such thing. that's why the fucking cpu is there. 1385676;1453764483;asciilifeform;^ 1385677;1453764486;mircea_popescu;and unlike the "we" things "we" do, cpus actuallywork. 1385678;1453764489;asciilifeform;go manually manage your alu. 1385679;1453764789;mircea_popescu;in other boobs, http://49.media.tumblr.com/45fd78e818532b73c136f71a0b5cc38c/tumblr_ncq7bguzWe1rwaupfo2_r1_500.gif 1385680;1453764790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzq6nI ) 1385681;1453764815;punkman;(excerpt from http://blog.acolyer.org/2016/01/21/blurred-persistence/ ) 1385682;1453764816;assbot;Blurred Persistence: Efficient Transactions in Persistent Memory | the morning paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1JzqbaZ ) 1385683;1453765052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00056737 = 21.5601 BTC [+] 1385684;1453765113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76000 @ 0.00056737 = 43.1201 BTC [+] {2} 1385685;1453765228;BingoBoingo;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Classic:0.12.99/ << 4 https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0E/ << 3 1385686;1453765229;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4At ) 1385687;1453765231;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jzr4QN ) 1385688;1453765718;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1385689;1453765725;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.34, vol: 8006.14854718 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.7, vol: 6568.51873 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.22, vol: 22563.50309897 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 2.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.81009, vol: 48039.73050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 463.24396726 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.93825, vol: 51.2738617 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.652722705 1385690;1453766516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00056878 = 18.7413 BTC [+] {3} 1385691;1453768463;jurov;https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx/issues/9 dunno what asshole undertook to "enhance" gnupg output in such way 1385692;1453768464;assbot;Exception when using with gnupg-2.0.28 · Issue #9 · Azelphur/pyMPEx · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3FBN ) 1385693;1453768480;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Zcash will crash just like Gavincoin, Garzikcoin, XT, SegWit, and Classic. Now you know. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/25/zcash-will-crash-just-like-gavincoin-garzikcoin-xt-segwit-and-classic-now-you-know/ 1385694;1453768568;jurov;https://www.gnupg.org/download/release_notes.html incidentally, no longer updated 1385695;1453768569;assbot;GnuPG - Release Notes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py3V3x ) 1385696;1453768634;jurov;i should have masked >=gnupg:2 and never looked back 1385697;1453768732;jurov;dunno what i was thinking 1385698;1453768854;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRB0sxw-YU << for the condo/apt livers 1385699;1453768855;assbot;Everyone's Upstairs Neighbors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoEDSB ) 1385700;1453768917;*;pete_dushenski to dinner. ciao ! 1385701;1453769015;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZmxxPDWIAAS9OD.jpg 1385702;1453769016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5iiX ) 1385703;1453769125;BingoBoingo;In other bugs https://github.com/Automattic/wp-calypso/issues/2720 1385704;1453769126;assbot;Font: The letter f goes missing or rearranges itself in a word · Issue #2720 · Automattic/wp-calypso · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py5z5b ) 1385705;1453769413;TomServo;Ahoy asseteers 1385706;1453769421;jurov;hi tom 1385707;1453769566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.000568 = 5.8356 BTC [-] 1385708;1453769684;BingoBoingo;https://storify.com/weev/duck-enlightenment-s-final-tweet-spree 1385709;1453769685;assbot;Jokeocracy's Twitter Martyrdom (with images, tweets) · weev · Storify ... ( http://bit.ly/1Py73wy ) 1385710;1453769688;BingoBoingo;Hi TomServo 1385711;1453769761;TomServo;My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up. 1385712;1453769788;danielpbarron;heh, i saw that spree; he got suspended for it? 1385713;1453769848;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Purged. Credible reports suggest Twitter is going to do a bigger purge soon, so some loveable jokesters are working to get preeptively purged on their own terms. 1385714;1453769857;BingoBoingo;Because mircea_popescu is a trendsetter 1385715;1453769906;BingoBoingo;In other refugee news apparently TaT has a blog now http://www.bitcoinerrorlog.com/2016/01/25/the-bitcoin-blacklist-max-keiser-simon-dixon/ 1385716;1453769908;assbot;The Bitcoin Blacklist: Max Keiser & Simon Dixon – Bitcoin Error Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoFOBo ) 1385717;1453770022;TomServo;In other other news, new wartard is a fun read: http://wartard.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-geopolitics-of-2016-oil-war-chaos_18.html 1385718;1453770023;assbot;War Tard: The Geopolitics of 2016: Oil, War, Chaos and Pathological Altruism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QoG1EF ) 1385719;1453770542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12143 @ 0.000568 = 6.8972 BTC [-] 1385720;1453770715;jurov;BingoBoingo: how do youknow it's TaT 1385721;1453770795;BingoBoingo;jurov: Not with cryptological certainty, but he gradually transitioned from using #bitcoin-assets as he social media identity to this bitcoinerrorlog thing. It's likely him. 1385722;1453770817;BingoBoingo;*his 1385723;1453770969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00056889 = 5.7742 BTC [+] {2} 1385724;1453771290;BingoBoingo;https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-01-20/?msg=58304091&page=2 1385725;1453771292;assbot;IRC Logs for #bitcoin-core-dev | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1PybpUp ) 1385726;1453771494;mircea_popescu;TomServo prolly the bdb locks issue. 1385727;1453771502;mircea_popescu;look in the ml for the patch for that. 1385728;1453771616;mircea_popescu;that we shall have a world war seems a foregone conclusion by now. 1385729;1453771691;mircea_popescu; That's why every time Obama deploys one of his cloned spokeswomen wearing the "problem glasses" to a White House press briefing << seriously. it's like gaddafi without taste. 1385730;1453771877;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1385731;1453771881;gribble;Current Blocks: 395057 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 78 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1385732;1453771899;mircea_popescu;"it's worth remembering Japan had been under a US oil embargo for years before they 'suddenly' attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. " << decent tidbits in there, under all the cheap "rapport" and assorted throwaway cancerous jokes. 1385733;1453772038;mircea_popescu;"The Zionists are so used to running American foreign policy for their own benefit and having the US Army take care of their enemies for them (Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad etc) that it was hilarious to watch Netanyahu throw a shit fit in the US Congress " << so far, the only army to ever win an engagement in the middle east is the israeli. twice. 1385734;1453772089;mircea_popescu;i dun get this fucktarded "we are importants" thing the ustards do around that topic, but anyways. 1385735;1453772148;BingoBoingo;Two Ocean borders and "docile" neighbors will do that to a people 1385736;1453772167;BingoBoingo;Now if Aztlan joined the Central powers in the Great War 1385737;1453772196;mircea_popescu;heh, mexico's been steadily making gains past the colorado for decades. 1385738;1453772204;mod6;TomServo: Hi, if you followed the instructions via the wiki, this means you should have built via rotor & V. 1385739;1453772225;mod6;1: Have you tried restarting bitcoind to see if that helps get you past this block? 1385740;1453772273;mod6;2: Can you `cat rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/db.cpp` and post it to dpaste or somewhere else I might be able to look at it? 1385741;1453772306;ben_vulpes;> 252450 << lo it doth haunt 1385742;1453772708;deedbot-;[Qntra] Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign - http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/ 1385743;1453772799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.000568 = 5.1972 BTC [-] 1385744;1453773049;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "writing in much the same way many other religious persons in the American continent have done before and after them." << would be so much better with briefly discussed examples. 1385745;1453773066;mircea_popescu;the parallels between say that ridiculous smith character and these derps are striking. 1385746;1453773094;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thank you. The best solution to addressing these omissions is likely going to be a follow up. 1385747;1453773128;mircea_popescu;apparently every american is equally and insescapably stupid. their education, and their intelligence, may color the way they express their stupidity. but you can't take the village out of the girl even if you take the girl out of the village, and you can't take stupid out of americans. 1385748;1453773150;mircea_popescu;"oh hurr durr here is how hegel can be applied to maintain what we wish to see!!1" 1385749;1453773198;BingoBoingo;Well gotta consider who the first crackers on the continent were, bunch of English pricks with various "road to paradise" dreams. 1385750;1453773231;BingoBoingo;Anyways the Jonathan Edwards guy is prolly a better model for this than the Smith Moromon guy, but gotta chew through more re-reading list first. 1385751;1453773348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.000568 = 22.9756 BTC [-] 1385752;1453773657;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43123 1385753;1453773658;assbot;Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKnA5 ) 1385754;1453773767;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/01/activists-targeted-in-years-long-spear-phishing-campaign/#comment-43124 1385755;1453773768;assbot;Activists Targeted In Years Long Spear Phishing Campaign | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pKxHC ) 1385756;1453773812;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385711 << TomServo: how did you press? post your complete set of sha512s 1385757;1453773812;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 00:56:01; TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up. 1385758;1453773835;asciilifeform;if you're seeing bdb issues, it is a dead certainty that you did not press a modern tree 1385759;1453773850;asciilifeform;(either this, or 'cosmic rays') 1385760;1453773956;BingoBoingo;What about basement rays from radon and granite countertops? 1385761;1453774080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32230 @ 0.00056743 = 18.2883 BTC [-] {3} 1385762;1453774156;jurov;or pebkac fields 1385763;1453774342;ben_vulpes;dems da woist 1385764;1453774354;BingoBoingo;Thinking more on the subject Mississippi river dam would likely have to wait for the last of the uranium to be mined out of Iowa 1385765;1453774451;deedbot-;[Qntra] Obamacare Firm Loses Personal Information - http://qntra.net/2016/01/obamacare-firm-loses-personal-information/ 1385766;1453774611;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/MkYNE << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2016#1385503 1385767;1453774612;assbot;Bzzzt-popp. - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/20pLHmK ) 1385768;1453774612;assbot;Logged on 25-01-2016 21:00:21; *: asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks 1385769;1453774681;BingoBoingo;Fuck, they really don't/can't make those anymore 1385770;1453774689;asciilifeform;^ interestingly, these have tiny incandescent lamps in'em 1385771;1453774692;asciilifeform;which ~still light~ 1385772;1453774708;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this one is ancient, possibly older than i am 1385773;1453774717;asciilifeform;and survived many thousands of toggles 1385774;1453774762;asciilifeform;it is not visible in the photo, which is a shame, because it was the only reason i even tried to take the photo - the piston in the switch is pockmarked from many, many microwelds 1385775;1453774785;BingoBoingo;I have a few like that. One 3 outlet square iron box that is likely a transformer but can not confirm because no good descriptive queries return other than ads for not it. Also lacked time to open. 1385776;1453775122;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/nacdl-amicus-silk-road-warrant-unconstitutional-according-to-4th-amendment/#comment-43125 1385777;1453775123;assbot;NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20pMaFx ) 1385778;1453776276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27155 @ 0.00055588 = 15.0949 BTC [-] {3} 1385779;1453776547;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/7dbae0b73651e39f33ceb6b6dc58d45b/tumblr_mz6ok8aOve1tnxrxto1_1280.jpg "oh this new maid is so much better than the old one!" 1385780;1453776550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20pNJ68 ) 1385781;1453776741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has ONE playing card, and it's a 4 of clobber. 1385782;1453776768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it happens to be the cleanest 1385783;1453776887;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/ << more stuff to add to aws banhammer 1385784;1453776889;TomServo;mod6: 1) Yes (incidentally, what is the recommended graceful shutdown method?) 2) http://dpaste.com/3ARSCHB 1385785;1453776891;assbot;dpaste: 3ARSCHB ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5d8 ) 1385786;1453776898;TomServo;asciilifeform: Is this correct? http://dpaste.com/2C6N3TZ 1385787;1453776900;assbot;dpaste: 2C6N3TZ ... ( http://bit.ly/20pO5K8 ) 1385788;1453776918;mircea_popescu;TomServo still kill -9 1385789;1453776929;asciilifeform;TomServo: this is not every useful. it does not tell us what you pressed 1385790;1453776939;mod6;TomServo: you have an old db.cpp file somehow. 1385791;1453776940;asciilifeform;it was never kill -9 ! 1385792;1453776944;asciilifeform;plain kill and some patience. 1385793;1453776952;asciilifeform;-9 risks wedging your db. 1385794;1453776956;mod6;TomServo: ./bitcoind stop 1385795;1453776976;TomServo;I think the patience part was my problem. 1385796;1453777028;TomServo;asciilifeform: what can I provide that is useful? 1385797;1453777039;asciilifeform;the checksums of the actual source files you end up with. 1385798;1453777060;asciilifeform;post just the db one 1385799;1453777234;TomServo;66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp 1385800;1453777245;TomServo;How would I end up with an old one? 1385801;1453777303;mod6;not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet. 1385802;1453777315;mod6;I don't suppose you logged your build process? 1385803;1453777327;TomServo;Unfortunately not. 1385804;1453777383;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle, 1385805;1453777407;mod6;Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'. 1385806;1453777414;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's possible. 1385807;1453777424;mircea_popescu;then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on. 1385808;1453777424;TomServo;I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze). 1385809;1453777447;mircea_popescu;willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it. 1385810;1453777448;TomServo;mod6: Will do. Thanks. 1385811;1453777463;mod6;No problem! Good luck. 1385812;1453777468;mod6;Certainly start with a clean env. 1385813;1453777488;mod6;That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build. 1385814;1453777578;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out. 1385815;1453777580;mod6;TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build? 1385816;1453777590;mod6;Was it within the last 24 hours? 1385817;1453777682;TomServo;mod6: Within the last 2 weeks. 1385818;1453777691;mod6;ah, ok. 1385819;1453777706;mod6;anyway, let us know how it goes. 1385820;1453777717;TomServo;Of course. 1385821;1453777751;mod6;Salud. 1385822;1453778167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00055074 = 24.6732 BTC [-] {4} 1385823;1453779260;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190 1385824;1453779261;assbot;But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV ) 1385825;1453779353;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971190 << also lulzy thread 1385826;1453779354;assbot;But Rails Culture is to make developers smile!Fixing security vulnerabilities ... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAyUV ) 1385827;1453779399;ben_vulpes;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10970694 << scuze 1385828;1453779399;assbot;That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 ) 1385829;1453779455;asciilifeform;what even 1385830;1453779648;mircea_popescu;" My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually. 1385831;1453779654;mircea_popescu;ruby fixed its hashing by breaking it moar. 1385832;1453779685;ben_vulpes;it's not RUBY it's RAILS 1385833;1453779686;ben_vulpes;GOD 1385834;1453779697;ben_vulpes;(although who uses one without the other i do not know) 1385835;1453779729;*;mircea_popescu is not versed enough in this to know the difference. 1385836;1453779745;mircea_popescu;my dictionary has two r entries : r and rubyrails. 1385837;1453779759;asciilifeform;what, no REBOL ?!! 1385838;1453779792;mircea_popescu;no rebol. 1385839;1453779866;mircea_popescu;http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html << two paragraphs in and i'm queasy. 1385840;1453779867;assbot;What is REBOL? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phegio ) 1385841;1453779869;mircea_popescu;is this thing fucking stupid ? 1385842;1453779875;asciilifeform;aaaand don't forget Refal! 1385843;1453779878;asciilifeform;the soviet lisp. 1385844;1453779899;asciilifeform;!s refal 1385845;1453779900;assbot;8 results for 'refal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=refal 1385846;1453779901;mircea_popescu;i don';t think you understand how mp works. 1385847;1453779906;mircea_popescu;the main thing i do is forget. 1385848;1453779912;mircea_popescu;that's my principal professional skill. 1385849;1453779913;asciilifeform;hey what do you think ~i~ do 1385850;1453779970;asciilifeform;any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. 1385851;1453780244;mircea_popescu;!up AdrianG 1385852;1453780249;AdrianG;hi thx. 1385853;1453780257;mircea_popescu;!gettrust assbot AdrianG 1385854;1453780257;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user AdrianG: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=AdrianG | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/AdrianG/ 1385855;1453780263;AdrianG;what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ? 1385856;1453780268;mircea_popescu;you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm 1385857;1453780274;mircea_popescu;!s edward bernays 1385858;1453780275;assbot;0 results for 'edward bernays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=+edward+bernays 1385859;1453780284;AdrianG;oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me. 1385860;1453780292;mircea_popescu;apparently nothing. 1385861;1453780296;AdrianG;thx whoever that was. 1385862;1453780307;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat. 1385863;1453780316;trinque;!s !rate AdrianG 1385864;1453780317;assbot;0 results for '!rate AdrianG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21rate+AdrianG 1385865;1453780317;AdrianG;bernays was quite a character. 1385866;1453780339;mircea_popescu;isn't he yet another marx/ziggler/barnum/whatever ? 1385867;1453780364;AdrianG;he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale. 1385868;1453780364;BingoBoingo; any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far. 1385869;1453780373;BingoBoingo;Booze is a great forgetting aid 1385870;1453780397;AdrianG;bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc 1385871;1453780411;AdrianG;his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today. 1385872;1453780440;mircea_popescu;AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando. 1385873;1453780452;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: he's not a rando 1385874;1453780528;trinque;this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich 1385875;1453780532;thestringpuller;;;ud rando 1385876;1453780533;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rando | rando. That which is random. Generally used in reference to people. I thought this party was invitation only...what the hell are all these randos doing here? 1385877;1453780547;AdrianG;sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale. 1385878;1453780571;mircea_popescu;AdrianG as seen where ? 1385879;1453780590;trinque;I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self 1385880;1453780602;mircea_popescu;"Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody. 1385881;1453780671;asciilifeform;where 1385882;1453780674;mircea_popescu;what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived. 1385883;1453780677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quote above. 1385884;1453780685;asciilifeform;yes but from where 1385885;1453780687;mircea_popescu;"we rebel" can't be a fucking fact. IN PRINCIPLE. 1385886;1453780700;mircea_popescu;link slightly above-er, rebol.com 1385887;1453780703;asciilifeform;ah 1385888;1453780725;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: as seen where? 1385889;1453780763;mircea_popescu;AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale. 1385890;1453780774;mircea_popescu;a feat usually credited to a certain reich minister. 1385891;1453780811;AdrianG;oh, hehe goebbels. 1385892;1453780830;asciilifeform;poor bernays, all of his atrocities are credited to w. r. hearst, usually 1385893;1453780832;AdrianG;nazis had a different goal. 1385894;1453780851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor. 1385895;1453780898;mircea_popescu;what's the other derp, more recent 1385896;1453780903;mircea_popescu;ogilvy 1385897;1453780918;asciilifeform;orwell's ogilvy ?! 1385898;1453780927;mircea_popescu;no, david. 1385899;1453780965;AdrianG;nice. 1385900;1453781038;asciilifeform;the question of 'who was the first to put ' propaganda, semiconductor, coprophagia, etc. 'on a scientific footing' is interesting but not resolvable. 1385901;1453781053;AdrianG;its highly subjective of course. 1385902;1453781133;AdrianG;the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition. 1385903;1453781137;asciilifeform;e.g., otto lilienfeld drew the transistor, in agonizing detail, and even a more interesting type than actually produced (cupric oxide!) - but - as far as anyone knows - never built one 1385904;1453781158;asciilifeform;maxwell described all of the equations which govern radio but never built one, did not give the slightest fuck 1385905;1453781159;asciilifeform;etc. 1385906;1453781173;asciilifeform;(m was only interested in light!) 1385907;1453781181;mircea_popescu;AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ? 1385908;1453781282;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success. 1385909;1453781296;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/1e23b93cb8d5bbc196df8013731f76d6/tumblr_mvdjhhfIcF1rv2vl4o1_1280.jpg << putting bedroom heating on industrial footing. 1385910;1453781297;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PyljPE ) 1385911;1453781313;AdrianG;and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack. 1385912;1453781314;mircea_popescu;AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale" 1385913;1453781336;AdrianG;mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale. 1385914;1453781339;mircea_popescu;don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows. 1385915;1453781349;mircea_popescu;it mostly hires lawyers and businbess majors. 1385916;1453781356;AdrianG;why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field. 1385917;1453781370;mircea_popescu;which field ? 1385918;1453781388;AdrianG;why would I flatter myself? 1385919;1453781461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11905 @ 0.00055942 = 6.6599 BTC [+] {2} 1385920;1453781522;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 1385921;1453781571;mircea_popescu;but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ? 1385922;1453781591;AdrianG;never heard of hyperbole? 1385923;1453781619;AdrianG;asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere? 1385924;1453781674;mircea_popescu;i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking. 1385925;1453781712;mircea_popescu;i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not. 1385926;1453781739;mircea_popescu;(but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter) 1385927;1453781810;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ae9557f2dc6127fb5b466524d9c5fade/tumblr_mpmj7j8xG61rjqog4o1_400.gif 1385928;1453781812;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PylFFO ) 1385929;1453781831;AdrianG;heh 1385930;1453782010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18263 @ 0.00056039 = 10.2344 BTC [+] {2} 1385931;1453782193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32673 @ 0.00054843 = 17.9189 BTC [-] 1385932;1453785426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055242 = 22.0968 BTC [+] {2} 1385933;1453785981;BingoBoingo;!up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda 1385934;1453787927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23620 @ 0.00055243 = 13.0484 BTC [+] 1385935;1453789210;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1385936;1453789211;gribble;966885232.624 1385937;1453789512;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1385938;1453789517;gribble;Current Blocks: 395095 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1385939;1453789635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055206 = 5.079 BTC [-] 1385940;1453789916;ben_vulpes;do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"? 1385941;1453790189;mircea_popescu;da wut ?! 1385942;1453790672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26275 @ 0.00055202 = 14.5043 BTC [-] {3} 1385943;1453791038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00055286 = 11.4442 BTC [+] 1385944;1453791831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055286 = 1.548 BTC [+] 1385945;1453792054;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues 1385946;1453792075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055118 = 4.2992 BTC [-] 1385947;1453792822;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1385948;1453792825;gribble;Current Blocks: 395100 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 35 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1385949;1453794445;ben_vulpes;"People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!" 1385950;1453798358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005524 = 23.6151 BTC [+] 1385951;1453799761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0005524 = 10.3299 BTC [+] 1385952;1453800554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0005524 = 8.2031 BTC [+] 1385953;1453801408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00055256 = 20.4447 BTC [+] {3} 1385954;1453802018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00055077 = 7.5455 BTC [-] {2} 1385955;1453802933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054843 = 16.6723 BTC [-] {2} 1385956;1453803116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36495 @ 0.00054842 = 20.0146 BTC [-] {2} 1385957;1453803631;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1385958;1453803634;gribble;Current Blocks: 395124 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1385959;1453803960;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 1385960;1453803968;gribble;Time since last block: 12 minutes and 20 seconds 1385961;1453805119;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 1385962;1453805123;gribble;Time since last block: 12 minutes and 25 seconds 1385963;1453805696;BingoBoingo;http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fb-c-aboriginal-scholar-wins-bid-for-rights-hearing-after-shes-denied-tenure-in-part-over-lack-of-research 1385964;1453805697;assbot;Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 ) 1385965;1453805715;BingoBoingo;"McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBCs research standard effectively discriminated against her race, colour, ancestry, place of origin and sex. " 1385966;1453806833;punkman;"Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. " 1385967;1453806880;punkman;could she have picked a weaker argument? 1385968;1453806911;BingoBoingo;But Oral Tradition 1385969;1453806914;punkman;why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach? 1385970;1453806925;BingoBoingo;That would be a Lecturer 1385971;1453806937;BingoBoingo;Or a teacher. 1385972;1453806940;BingoBoingo;Not a Professor 1385973;1453807757;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/K7wOp2e.jpg 1385974;1453807758;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lNAZa0 ) 1385975;1453808081;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1385976;1453808085;gribble;Current Blocks: 395132 | Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 | Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 26 minutes and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1385977;1453808114;BingoBoingo;lol punkman 1385978;1453808118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15368 @ 0.00054842 = 8.4281 BTC [-] {2} 1385979;1453808888;punkman;;;bc,bull 1385980;1453808889;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 433.114 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 29 minutes, and 54 seconds 1385981;1453808906;BingoBoingo;;;bc,bear 1385982;1453808907;gribble;Next Price Estimate: 314.992 | Next Price In About 3 days, 1 hour, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | It's tanking! 1385983;1453809367;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/01/25/so-what-exactly-is-scr7 1385984;1453809369;assbot;So What Exactly is SCR7? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1K854MQ ) 1385985;1453809704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102700 @ 0.00054835 = 56.3155 BTC [-] {4} 1385986;1453810070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40237 @ 0.00054884 = 22.0837 BTC [+] 1385987;1453810142;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35350886 1385988;1453810144;assbot;Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPPtDJ ) 1385989;1453811492;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Rises 5.89% - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitcoin-network-difficulty-rises-5-89/ 1385990;1453811493;punkman;http://meritcapitalism.com/ 1385991;1453811495;assbot;Merit Capitalism: Stop rich people from buying our politics. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPRJea ) 1385992;1453811512;BingoBoingo;;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period. 1385993;1453811512;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1385994;1453811525;BingoBoingo;I was actually awake for one of these for a change 1385995;1453811595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4061 @ 0.00055244 = 2.2435 BTC [+] {2} 1385996;1453813278;asciilifeform;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35409119 1385997;1453813280;assbot;AI pioneer Marvin Minsky dies aged 88 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMp9ak ) 1385998;1453813307;asciilifeform;'But, in one of his last interviews, with MIT Technology Review last year, Prof Minsky said there had been "very little growth in artificial intelligence" in the past decade, adding current work had been "mostly attempting to improve systems that aren't very good and haven't improved much in two decades". By contrast, he said, "the 1950s and 1960s were wonderful - something new every week". And he hinted he was against large t 1385999;1453813307;asciilifeform;echnology companies such as Google and Facebook getting involved the field of AI. "We have to get rid of the big companies and go back to giving support to individuals who have new ideas because attempting to commercialise existing things hasn't worked very well," he said.' 1386000;1453813339;asciilifeform;(inventor of neural network and cofounder of ai lab with j. mccarthy, for n00bz) 1386001;1453813369;asciilifeform;he was the last remaining anybody who was somebody of that period, afaik. 1386002;1453813425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00055248 = 7.3204 BTC [+] {2} 1386003;1453813684;BingoBoingo;If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it. 1386004;1453813686;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/jdzwD 1386005;1453813687;assbot;Why are black Americans less affected by the opioid epidemic? Racism, probably. - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKKzsb ) 1386006;1453813697;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unfortunately i haven't any time. 1386007;1453813702;asciilifeform;go ahead and do it if you feel like it. 1386008;1453813710;BingoBoingo;I figured. I lack the background. 1386009;1453813729;BingoBoingo;Maybe phf? 1386010;1453813752;asciilifeform;the bbc article, surprisingly, has the facts. 1386011;1453813945;BingoBoingo;But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people 1386012;1453814239;BingoBoingo;!up kefkius 1386013;1453815515;jurov;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/01/25/politicians-are-so-predictable-a-robot-can-literally-write-their-speeches/ 1386014;1453815516;assbot;Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 ) 1386015;1453815528;jurov;^ another idea for stego corpus 1386016;1453815536;jurov;"For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention." 1386017;1453815576;jurov;Fluid. *pounds on the pulpit* Retention. 1386018;1453815987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00055359 = 7.5011 BTC [+] 1386019;1453818061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34724 @ 0.0005556 = 19.2927 BTC [+] {3} 1386020;1453818244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23140 @ 0.00055046 = 12.7376 BTC [-] {2} 1386021;1453819871;BingoBoingo;So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever? 1386022;1453820196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26670 @ 0.00055775 = 14.8752 BTC [+] {2} 1386023;1453820257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27430 @ 0.00055971 = 15.3528 BTC [+] {2} 1386024;1453820557;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1386025;1453820564;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 391.21, vol: 7670.92802261 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.2, vol: 5623.27465 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 390.89, vol: 21162.60207079 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 1.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.21184, vol: 43649.86990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 394.83726, vol: 579.10188788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 397.5711, vol: 21.98767709 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1386026;1453820572;BingoBoingo;;;more 1386027;1453820573;gribble;392.54738725 1386028;1453820623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28960 @ 0.00055515 = 16.0771 BTC [-] {2} 1386029;1453821572;thestringpuller;I thought there is always QE 1386030;1453821643;BingoBoingo;4real 1386031;1453821712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is \tif\t\n\t\telse 1386032;1453821772;mircea_popescu;and in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385911 let's quote from the very pravda : 1386033;1453821772;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack. 1386034;1453821772;mircea_popescu;Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin 1386035;1453821772;mircea_popescu;g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85] 1386036;1453821855;mircea_popescu;what we learn here, other than a) nobody gives a shit about the inept campaings of the hundreds upon endless thousands of "activists" (as you recall from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2016#1366968 this is !=== "educator"), and especially not the advertisers 1386037;1453821855;assbot;Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue. 1386038;1453821912;mircea_popescu;b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s. 1386039;1453821952;mircea_popescu;apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo. 1386040;1453821976;mircea_popescu;and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES. 1386041;1453822016;mircea_popescu;~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ? 1386042;1453822046;mircea_popescu;and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern. 1386043;1453822145;thestringpuller;people still use facebook? 1386044;1453822188;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily. 1386045;1453822201;mircea_popescu;so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user. 1386046;1453822217;mircea_popescu;if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different. 1386047;1453822231;mircea_popescu;o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well. 1386048;1453822269;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so. 1386049;1453822293;mircea_popescu;leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow. 1386050;1453822356;mircea_popescu;meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood. 1386051;1453822567;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385945 << and they still can't come out and fucking say it. 1386052;1453822567;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues 1386053;1453822575;thestringpuller;Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail. 1386054;1453822627;mircea_popescu;"we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something" 1386055;1453822627;thestringpuller;or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us) 1386056;1453822629;mircea_popescu;is that so hard ? 1386057;1453822659;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k. 1386058;1453822659;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases. 1386059;1453822664;mircea_popescu;derp. 1386060;1453822702;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385964 <<< aahahahahahaha. 1386061;1453822702;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 ) 1386062;1453822753;mircea_popescu;dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful. 1386063;1453822758;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD. 1386064;1453822772;mircea_popescu;nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE." 1386065;1453822803;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall). 1386066;1453822827;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded. 1386067;1453822849;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ahaha you work for vmware ? 1386068;1453822873;punkman;wasn't EMC looking to sell itself? 1386069;1453822877;mircea_popescu;iirc. 1386070;1453822882;mircea_popescu;and wasn't getting much in the way of bids, either. 1386071;1453822894;punkman;to Dell, huh 1386072;1453822896;mircea_popescu;apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers. 1386073;1453822912;mircea_popescu;no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./ 1386074;1453822996;mircea_popescu;actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn. 1386075;1453823006;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, 1386076;1453823027;mircea_popescu;;;calc 150 * 10**9 / 25 / 5 / 10 ** 4 1386077;1453823027;gribble;120000 1386078;1453823042;mircea_popescu;takes 120`000 fb accounts to make one it employee. 1386079;1453823074;mircea_popescu;one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable. 1386080;1453823212;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385967 << actually, upon review, it's a very strong argument. 1386081;1453823212;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument? 1386082;1453823219;thestringpuller;yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing. 1386083;1453823221;mircea_popescu;woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her. 1386084;1453823249;punkman;sure, but oral tradition? 1386085;1453823255;BingoBoingo;Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing 1386086;1453823269;BingoBoingo;Could publish peer reviewed tapes 1386087;1453823279;punkman;http://www.webofstories.com/play/marvin.minsky/151 1386088;1453823280;assbot;Marvin Minsky - Scientist - 'I want an anti-fad fad' - Web of Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL2i2S ) 1386089;1453823283;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars. 1386090;1453823294;mircea_popescu;punkman what do i do if not oral tradition ? 1386091;1453823318;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller wassat airwatch ? 1386092;1453823389;mircea_popescu; Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ? 1386093;1453823413;mircea_popescu;that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental. 1386094;1453823439;BingoBoingo;lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory! 1386095;1453823478;mircea_popescu;they HAVE TO be. 1386096;1453823490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00054893 = 18.3068 BTC [-] {3} 1386097;1453823492;mircea_popescu;see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time. 1386098;1453823502;mircea_popescu;but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf. 1386099;1453823514;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty. 1386100;1453823535;BingoBoingo;Time is the MOST oppressive thing. 1386101;1453823535;mircea_popescu;"nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!" 1386102;1453823538;BingoBoingo;More than money 1386103;1453823539;mircea_popescu;is that going to help ? 1386104;1453823553;mircea_popescu;"i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ? 1386105;1453823562;BingoBoingo;Help toss kerosene on this tire fire. 1386106;1453823626;BingoBoingo;There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl 1386107;1453823627;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot" 1386108;1453823630;mircea_popescu;same argument innit ? 1386109;1453823655;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine. 1386110;1453823657;mircea_popescu;managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers. 1386111;1453823666;mircea_popescu;and yes the university is assembly line for phds. 1386112;1453823684;mircea_popescu;and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation. 1386113;1453823690;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... argument can be brought. 1386114;1453823712;BingoBoingo;Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work. 1386115;1453823712;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ic. 1386116;1453823734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7457 @ 0.00054831 = 4.0887 BTC [-] 1386117;1453823793;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1385990 << is that yours or ? 1386118;1453823793;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 12:31:33; punkman: http://meritcapitalism.com/ 1386119;1453823942;punkman;no wai 1386120;1453824005;mircea_popescu;"we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay. 1386121;1453824075;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386014 << this would be because a robot actually does write the speeches. iirc we laughed at the company in question here even. 1386122;1453824075;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 ) 1386123;1453824129;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value. 1386124;1453824154;mircea_popescu;none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's. 1386125;1453824167;mircea_popescu;that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em. 1386126;1453824260;mircea_popescu;wow minsky died 1386127;1453824290;BingoBoingo;Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf? 1386128;1453824304;mircea_popescu;"Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age. 1386129;1453824385;mircea_popescu;mkay, enoug of that. off to http://45.media.tumblr.com/98c7860c44d009edfba6aaf97f6a1fe0/tumblr_n1xo8ngPn71szbq7eo1_400.gif 1386130;1453824386;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL4XcT ) 1386131;1453824466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00054757 = 3.2307 BTC [-] {2} 1386132;1453824892;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations" 1386133;1453824914;pete_dushenski;heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz 1386134;1453824941;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: where's this ? twatter ? 1386135;1453824971;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: slack. i'll post logs later 1386136;1453825061;pete_dushenski;"a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure. 1386137;1453825137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00054757 = 16.7009 BTC [-] 1386138;1453825198;PeterL;would also depend on distribution of income 1386139;1453825224;pete_dushenski;quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story ! 1386140;1453825230;PeterL;a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling 1386141;1453825254;pete_dushenski;"More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1 1386142;1453825326;pete_dushenski;this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality. 1386143;1453825346;pete_dushenski;but hey, that's racist and undemocratic 1386144;1453825356;PeterL;do they address correlation vs causation? 1386145;1453825367;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/0JEHTXD.txt 1386146;1453825384;thestringpuller;basically trace mayer states, MPEx is "doing it wrong" 1386147;1453825415;thestringpuller;Dude reminds me of Dr. Foreskin a bit. 1386148;1453825431;pete_dushenski;"Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec 1386149;1453825431;pete_dushenski;hnicalities like correlation and causation ? 1386150;1453825459;PeterL;prolly not 1386151;1453825520;pete_dushenski;hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit 1386152;1453825529;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: /me reads 1386153;1453825697;pete_dushenski;ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new. 1386154;1453825707;pete_dushenski;if he wasn't, he'd be here. 1386155;1453825729;pete_dushenski;since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed 1386156;1453825789;thestringpuller;i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime 1386157;1453825794;thestringpuller;oh wait mike_c already did that 1386158;1453825867;pete_dushenski;"Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh. 1386159;1453825872;pete_dushenski;via https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/why-travel-for-business-by-ricardo-hausmann-2016-01 1386160;1453825873;assbot;Should Business Travel Be Obsolete? by Ricardo Hausmann - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1RL9dZR ) 1386161;1453825921;PeterL;"these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter" 1386162;1453825930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00054755 = 12.8674 BTC [-] {3} 1386163;1453826235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005512 = 7.1656 BTC [+] {3} 1386164;1453826323;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386165;1453826361;mod6;how goes it asciilifeform 1386166;1453826423;ascii_butugychag;2+hr in wheeled coffin 1386167;1453826442;ascii_butugychag;(which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it) 1386168;1453826450;ascii_butugychag;but this is not interesting so much. 1386169;1453826485;PeterL;it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job? 1386170;1453826510;mod6;you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning? 1386171;1453826529;ascii_butugychag;mod6: aha 1386172;1453826544;mod6;sorry, that sucks. :/ 1386173;1453826567;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: pretty much impossible 1386174;1453826572;mod6;don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard? 1386175;1453826586;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it 1386176;1453826624;ascii_butugychag;mod6: only when the snow is falling or at least fresh 1386177;1453826693;mod6;huh.heesh. 1386178;1453826716;mod6;bah. "huh. sheesh" 1386179;1453826724;mod6;my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec. 1386180;1453826757;mod6;anyway, well at least you made it there. 1386181;1453826958;ascii_butugychag;interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute 1386182;1453827003;ascii_butugychag;(everybody else lives in $4-5k 'garçonnières' nearby) 1386183;1453827005;pete_dushenski;"bah. "huh. sheesh"" << baksheesh ! 1386184;1453827026;PeterL;does everybody else get paid more than you? 1386185;1453827049;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: i genuinely have no idea 1386186;1453827059;PeterL;and is that $4-5k per month? 1386187;1453827068;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking 1386188;1453827077;ascii_butugychag;may as well take off your pants and shit right on the table 1386189;1453827114;mod6;i kinda wanna buy you this: http://www.resortboneyard.com/i/1993-bombardier-prinoth-br400-plus/60040 1386190;1453827118;assbot;1993 Bombardier Prinoth BR400 Plus : Resort Boneyard ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLdPio ) 1386191;1453827118;ascii_butugychag;but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich 1386192;1453827144;ascii_butugychag;mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs 1386193;1453827152;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in. 1386194;1453827166;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: i think you meant PeterL... 1386195;1453827203;ascii_butugychag;ah yes 1386196;1453827206;pete_dushenski;mod6: lel. i'd drive that to work 1386197;1453827226;mod6;it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D 1386198;1453827266;mircea_popescu; hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago. 1386199;1453827271;pete_dushenski;trace mayer was behind armory, neh ? 1386200;1453827293;*;mircea_popescu shrugs 1386201;1453827294;pete_dushenski;https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracemayer << looks ~identical~ to pedo-'core' dood from mighty ducks 1386202;1453827295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLebpt ) 1386203;1453827316;ascii_butugychag;brockchain!11 1386204;1453827326;pete_dushenski;^ 1386205;1453827371;mircea_popescu;i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ? 1386206;1453827383;ascii_butugychag;in honour of. 1386207;1453827427;pete_dushenski;http://community.tribalectic.com/files/imagecache/display/files/experience_image/Picture%20166.jpg << oof. 1386208;1453827436;mircea_popescu;<ascii_butugychag> mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life. 1386209;1453827442;mircea_popescu;we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo! 1386210;1453827446;mircea_popescu;damned capitalists. 1386211;1453827451;ascii_butugychag;l0l i think that's knuth, no me 1386212;1453827455;ascii_butugychag;*not 1386213;1453827483;mircea_popescu;in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete. 1386214;1453827500;mircea_popescu;get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs. 1386215;1453827500;ascii_butugychag;incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing 1386216;1453827568;mircea_popescu;unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with. 1386217;1453827588;ascii_butugychag;hey if we had a joe stack 1386218;1453827593;ascii_butugychag;why not king trace. 1386219;1453827605;ascii_butugychag;(is there a, e.g., henry heap?) 1386220;1453827610;mircea_popescu;joe is fine. 1386221;1453827612;mircea_popescu;trace, wtf is that. 1386222;1453827615;ascii_butugychag;nfi 1386223;1453827626;mircea_popescu;at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules. 1386224;1453827646;PeterL;what kind of funny name is "Mircea"? 1386225;1453827646;mircea_popescu;what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe. 1386226;1453827664;mircea_popescu;PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that. 1386227;1453827668;ascii_butugychag;i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names 1386228;1453827681;PeterL;so you can only name people after kings? 1386229;1453827683;ascii_butugychag;e.g., smith, кузнецов, етц 1386230;1453827686;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that. 1386231;1453827687;ascii_butugychag;етц 1386232;1453827690;ascii_butugychag;etc 1386233;1453827692;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1386234;1453827699;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people. 1386235;1453827703;mircea_popescu;either kings or saints. pick. 1386236;1453827705;*;ascii_butugychag cleans rus/lat key 1386237;1453827712;PeterL;how about family members? 1386238;1453827719;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag ftr it's etk not ettz 1386239;1453827739;mircea_popescu;PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so... 1386240;1453827788;PeterL;Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman? 1386241;1453827808;PeterL;I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down 1386242;1453827809;mircea_popescu;PeterL you do notice the subtext here, do you ? 1386243;1453827821;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard 1386244;1453827822;PeterL;no, I am immune to subtext 1386245;1453827838;ascii_butugychag;(the translit system on this box maps c/ц) 1386246;1453827839;mircea_popescu;the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth. 1386247;1453827864;PeterL;and you can tell this by his name? 1386248;1453827890;mircea_popescu;i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible. 1386249;1453827950;pete_dushenski;"In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r) 1386250;1453827978;mircea_popescu;NEMMENOOO IL VINOOO!!11 1386251;1453827981;mircea_popescu;indignant talians. 1386252;1453827995;pete_dushenski;who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ? 1386253;1453828023;mircea_popescu;hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit 1386254;1453828024;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaha 1386255;1453828094;mircea_popescu;" Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem. 1386256;1453828120;pete_dushenski;that's what, 50 btc ? 1386257;1453828148;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: you're not italian enough i guess 1386258;1453828158;pete_dushenski;or roman catholic 1386259;1453828196;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/24ffccf8e42026dd23a3fe817d3480a2/tumblr_mpagouC7cR1rybnpco1_500.gif 1386260;1453828197;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW4VsB ) 1386261;1453828230;mod6;pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx 1386262;1453828263;pete_dushenski;and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum) 1386263;1453828273;mod6;ah. 1386264;1453828307;pete_dushenski;also discovered that 'terminal' only runs on WINBLOZE 1386265;1453828312;*;mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway 1386266;1453828319;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski scandalous innit. 1386267;1453828325;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386268;1453828331;pete_dushenski;so they claim. maybe there's a linux workaround 1386269;1453828351;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android 1386270;1453828352;PeterL;must run winblows VM on your linux box 1386271;1453828391;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client. 1386272;1453828394;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year. 1386273;1453828398;ascii_butugychag;if for some reason you need it. 1386274;1453828399;PeterL;or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;) 1386275;1453828415;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's not 300k dudes. 1386276;1453828431;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman 1386277;1453828446;mircea_popescu;i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai. 1386278;1453828454;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: betcha gs requires all boxes to run winblowz 1386279;1453828459;ascii_butugychag;like the rest of usg. 1386280;1453828464;mircea_popescu;surely. 1386281;1453828486;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. 300k subscriptions... 1386282;1453828491;*;mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer" 1386283;1453828503;mircea_popescu;cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are" 1386284;1453828509;*;ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it 1386285;1453828534;mircea_popescu;remarkable how this works. 1386286;1453828548;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses 1386287;1453828570;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps" 1386288;1453828603;pete_dushenski;95% compliance just from threats, no need to act. 1386289;1453828604;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other. 1386290;1453828621;pete_dushenski;myea 1386291;1453828693;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: spa ? 1386292;1453828712;ascii_butugychag;'software publishers association' 1386293;1453828720;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386128 << holy fuck what 1386294;1453828720;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age. 1386295;1453828721;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what. 1386296;1453828724;ascii_butugychag;golden age?!! 1386297;1453828734;mircea_popescu;shut up you don't understand how the world works. 1386298;1453828806;ascii_butugychag;(there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc) 1386299;1453828828;mircea_popescu;so who the fuck cares what an "association" does. this reminds me of the faux ro animal police thing. of http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ fame 1386300;1453828829;assbot;In atentia I.G.P.P.A. - Autodenunt on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OW6QgZ ) 1386301;1453828840;ascii_butugychag;(somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks) 1386302;1453828877;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa 1386303;1453828886;mircea_popescu;so ? 1386304;1453828909;mircea_popescu;let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges. 1386305;1453828913;ascii_butugychag;so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag 1386306;1453828914;mircea_popescu;at least, that's how i do it. 1386307;1453828919;mircea_popescu;see above. 1386308;1453828934;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: with own hands ? 1386309;1453828942;mircea_popescu;well supposedly it's a place of business, neh ? 1386310;1453828966;ascii_butugychag;it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of 1386311;1453828980;mircea_popescu;no, just, you suck. 1386312;1453828993;mircea_popescu;start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week. 1386313;1453829015;ascii_butugychag;last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign 1386314;1453829023;mircea_popescu;so far i'm having pie. 1386315;1453829027;mircea_popescu;but hey, whatevs. 1386316;1453829030;mircea_popescu;want a pic of my pie ? 1386317;1453829033;ascii_butugychag;yes! 1386318;1453829036;PeterL;"I'm just trying to ..." 1386319;1453829036;mircea_popescu;aite. 1386320;1453829059;*;ascii_butugychag has no pie here in the mine, but will enjoy a picture 1386321;1453829076;PeterL;Yoda: There is no try. 1386322;1453829091;mircea_popescu;as good excuse as any to have another slice. 1386323;1453829165;ascii_butugychag;meanwhile, https://www.rt.com/news/330180-police-violent-refugees-sweden 1386324;1453829166;assbot;Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center through back door — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shm6cF ) 1386325;1453829277;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/no-pie-for-alfie.jpg 1386326;1453829278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Shmk3z ) 1386327;1453829285;mircea_popescu;it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you. 1386328;1453829298;mircea_popescu;snowburial memories and all that 1386329;1453829366;ascii_butugychag;mmmm 1386330;1453829383;ascii_butugychag;i actually prefer shoveling snow to work. 1386331;1453829427;mircea_popescu;you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg. 1386332;1453829444;ascii_butugychag;aha! 1386333;1453829455;ascii_butugychag;i'd trade it for furnace stoking, also 1386334;1453829458;ascii_butugychag;just like'em./ 1386335;1453829489;ascii_butugychag;but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man 1386336;1453829526;ascii_butugychag;furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk 1386337;1453829536;ascii_butugychag;(paid same as engineer, believe it) 1386338;1453829590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14337 @ 0.00055581 = 7.9686 BTC [+] {3} 1386339;1453829604;mircea_popescu;well yes, because racist empire. 1386340;1453829623;ascii_butugychag;l0lwut 1386341;1453829774;mircea_popescu;soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law. 1386342;1453829785;ascii_butugychag;ah that, yes 1386343;1453829812;mircea_popescu;well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ? 1386344;1453829842;mircea_popescu;gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere. 1386345;1453829847;ascii_butugychag;the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho. 1386346;1453829857;ascii_butugychag;rats can also outcompete man, as can roaches 1386347;1453829864;ascii_butugychag;unless preemptively pushed out. 1386348;1453829907;ascii_butugychag;this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat 1386349;1453829974;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies 1386350;1453829986;ascii_butugychag;(rural inhabitants fed the city but not permitted therein) 1386351;1453830017;ascii_butugychag;most of'em were ethnically ru however 1386352;1453830033;ascii_butugychag;but predatorial mountain men were shown their place, yes. 1386353;1453830037;mircea_popescu;well yes, it is. or to quote... 1386354;1453830056;mircea_popescu;hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway. 1386355;1453830119;ascii_butugychag;su ran on the fumes of four centuries of derp-crushing 1386356;1453830125;ascii_butugychag;just like 20th c. usa 1386357;1453830132;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-73.0-73.123 1386358;1453830133;assbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWb3RK ) 1386359;1453830134;mircea_popescu;there we go 1386360;1453830191;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1386361;1453830261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19233 @ 0.00056015 = 10.7734 BTC [+] 1386362;1453830281;shinohai;node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully \o/ 1386363;1453830326;mircea_popescu;:) 1386364;1453830368;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2014/time-to-recuperate-this-chauvinism-thing/#footnote_0_58626 << speaking of earlier thread on 'oral tradition' 1386365;1453830368;assbot;Time to recuperate this chauvinism thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShoiB3 ) 1386366;1453830399;pete_dushenski;came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote 1386367;1453830414;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood. 1386368;1453830545;mod6;thanks for testing shinohai 1386369;1453830724;mircea_popescu;;;nethash 1386370;1453830725;gribble;966029265.422 1386371;1453830749;pete_dushenski;waiting to see exahash again ? 1386372;1453830848;mircea_popescu;curious what happened there lol. 1386373;1453830963;pete_dushenski;maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre. 1386374;1453831221;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386367 << mpex submarine! six MIRV cones, any questions. 1386375;1453831221;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood. 1386376;1453831332;mircea_popescu;more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?" 1386377;1453831419;ascii_butugychag;l0l there is application desk?! 1386378;1453831442;ascii_butugychag;or is it a gag door, with pirannha pond on other side 1386379;1453831603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00054731 = 16.2004 BTC [-] {3} 1386380;1453831785;mircea_popescu;there is an application desk. 1386381;1453831964;adlai;gribble's `nethash` rises and falls with luck and hashing. appears to be (or at least, have similar calculation as) the 3d window from http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png 1386382;1453831965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UkAsZ0 ) 1386383;1453832048;mircea_popescu;iirc it is exactly that. 1386384;1453832050;mircea_popescu;!up GlobalSolutions 1386385;1453832096;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1386386;1453832222;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i apply. 1386387;1453832237;ascii_butugychag;or is it only for cool kidz. 1386388;1453833372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9431 @ 0.00054696 = 5.1584 BTC [-] {3} 1386389;1453833433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56118 @ 0.00054683 = 30.687 BTC [-] 1386390;1453833872;mircea_popescu;you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano. 1386391;1453833915;ascii_butugychag;ah in that sense 1386392;1453833925;mircea_popescu;yes in that sense. what other sense ? 1386393;1453833929;mircea_popescu;there is no other sense. 1386394;1453833950;mircea_popescu;hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics. 1386395;1453833983;mircea_popescu;and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal. 1386396;1453834008;mircea_popescu;then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps. 1386397;1453834097;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1386398;1453834157;ascii_butugychag;on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp 1386399;1453834186;mircea_popescu;i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process. 1386400;1453834460;ascii_butugychag;in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard' 1386401;1453834463;ascii_butugychag;i shit thee not 1386402;1453834467;ascii_butugychag;*privacy 1386403;1453834492;ascii_butugychag;maybe i am already in the insane asylum 1386404;1453834499;ascii_butugychag;and belong there 1386405;1453834539;mircea_popescu;im sure it prevents any isis-eavesdropping 1386406;1453834582;ascii_butugychag;nah no crypto 1386407;1453834583;ascii_butugychag;just sig 1386408;1453834612;ascii_butugychag;but srsly, wtf 1386409;1453834651;ascii_butugychag;take me to where they keep the napoleons. 1386410;1453834702;mircea_popescu;of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ? 1386411;1453834739;ascii_butugychag;only if he tries to get in and drive ! 1386412;1453834749;ascii_butugychag;and goes around bragging about his 'car' 1386413;1453834753;ascii_butugychag;and offering rides 1386414;1453834865;trinque;ascii_butugychag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Napoleon_tomb_bordercropped.jpg << found him for you 1386415;1453834866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VozkUp ) 1386416;1453835173;PeterL;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35350886 << Beards are good for you 1386417;1453835175;assbot;Are beards good for your health? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VoAsYe ) 1386418;1453835997;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386419;1453836040;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not. 1386420;1453836081;ascii_butugychag;it would appear that he was. 1386421;1453836095;ascii_butugychag;blew my mind. 1386422;1453836131;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline. 1386423;1453836143;ascii_butugychag;unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ? 1386424;1453836149;mircea_popescu;ty kako 1386425;1453836165;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first. 1386426;1453836171;mircea_popescu;after this you have a few hours safe. 1386427;1453836189;kakobrekla;i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance 1386428;1453836194;ascii_butugychag;how did you get the 8 figure ? 1386429;1453836204;mircea_popescu;replicating array of 4 1386430;1453836219;mircea_popescu;oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it. 1386431;1453836244;ascii_butugychag;i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade 1386432;1453836251;ascii_butugychag;but these were classical disks 1386433;1453836255;mircea_popescu;what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank. 1386434;1453836262;mircea_popescu;then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too 1386435;1453836275;kakobrekla;most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance 1386436;1453836287;ascii_butugychag;kakobrekla: not 3ware 1386437;1453836299;ascii_butugychag;(as far as i'm concerned, there is ONE manufacturer of raid cards) 1386438;1453836300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00054694 = 13.4547 BTC [+] 1386439;1453836325;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: so they burn like candles, huh. 1386440;1453836334;ascii_butugychag;can keep time by it. 1386441;1453836348;mircea_popescu;there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis. 1386442;1453836378;mircea_popescu;i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do. 1386443;1453836414;ascii_butugychag;and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ? 1386444;1453836435;mircea_popescu;misc 1386445;1453836444;kakobrekla;does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg? 1386446;1453836452;mircea_popescu;some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc. 1386447;1453836473;mircea_popescu;iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells 1386448;1453836478;ascii_butugychag;kakobrekla: yes 1386449;1453836521;ascii_butugychag;kakobrekla: e.g., 9690 series 1386450;1453836532;*;kakobrekla looks 1386451;1453836571;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: eventually runs out of spare cells 1386452;1453836583;ascii_butugychag;then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array 1386453;1453836584;mircea_popescu;yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say 1386454;1453836676;hanbot;rakanishux 1386455;1453836685;hanbot;erm. 1386456;1453836690;mircea_popescu;lol ? 1386457;1453836711;ascii_butugychag;waiwut 1386458;1453836728;ascii_butugychag;hanbot gonna have to change launch codez now!11 1386459;1453836732;mircea_popescu;are you doing a diablo binge ? 1386460;1453836748;*;hanbot hides under the bed 1386461;1453836803;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha. what was the system calledm bishibosh ? 1386462;1453836829;hanbot;i admit nothing! (yes) 1386463;1453836839;mircea_popescu;lol 1386464;1453836867;mod6;haha, workin on gettin that new box setup? 1386465;1453836892;thestringpuller;hanbot: plays diablo? 1386466;1453836908;hanbot;i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure. 1386467;1453836918;thestringpuller;what does the universe intend to teach me tomorrow... 1386468;1453836932;mod6;hanbot: cool 1386469;1453837217;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier 1386470;1453837244;ascii_butugychag;(it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily) 1386471;1453837281;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos. 1386472;1453837501;ascii_butugychag;5 is a lose-any-1-of-4 1386473;1453837582;mircea_popescu;1-0 over eight is lose up to 4. 1386474;1453837618;ascii_butugychag;idk, seems like you can lose a particular 4 and die 1386475;1453837627;mircea_popescu;you can lose a particular 2 and die. 1386476;1453837640;ascii_butugychag;well in my case ~any~ 2 1386477;1453837652;mircea_popescu;yes but 3 kills you fo sho. 1386478;1453837666;ascii_butugychag;2 kills my setup for sure 1386479;1453837677;mircea_popescu;well, if you had 8, to compare apples the same size. 1386480;1453837681;ascii_butugychag;ah 1386481;1453837689;mircea_popescu;anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds. 1386482;1453837716;mircea_popescu;it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done. 1386483;1453837721;mircea_popescu;if it comes to replacing fucking platters. 1386484;1453837777;ascii_butugychag;ah when the vendors 'refurbish' and resell the crud ? 1386485;1453837781;mircea_popescu;so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range. 1386486;1453837803;mircea_popescu;no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas.\ 1386487;1453837818;ascii_butugychag;but whole point of raid is to avoid this 1386488;1453837832;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1386489;1453837853;mircea_popescu;i don't like or trust fancy parity schemes. 1386490;1453837853;ascii_butugychag;incidentally modern hdd doesn't recover worth shit 1386491;1453837864;mircea_popescu;a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance 1386492;1453837883;ascii_butugychag;but still like and trust hdd chipset ? 1386493;1453837885;ascii_butugychag;go figure 1386494;1453837897;ascii_butugychag;and a xor b xor c xor d is fancy ? 1386495;1453837927;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. 1386496;1453837928;ascii_butugychag;and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector. 1386497;1453837945;mircea_popescu;this is a view not unlike democracy 1386498;1453837946;ascii_butugychag;(and if it gets ideas, is immediately thrown) 1386499;1453837953;mircea_popescu;"oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook" 1386500;1453837954;mircea_popescu;o yeah ? 1386501;1453837989;ascii_butugychag;'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts. 1386502;1453838248;ascii_butugychag;interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure) 1386503;1453838260;ascii_butugychag;but not in von neumann pc, no. 1386504;1453838265;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1386505;1453838273;ascii_butugychag;ring topology. 1386506;1453838372;ascii_butugychag;see 'firing squad problem.' 1386507;1453838390;mircea_popescu;ternary computer with ring ram and ring disks huh ? 1386508;1453838403;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1386509;1453838427;ascii_butugychag;and now you know how!11 1386510;1453838503;mircea_popescu;poor minsky. 1386511;1453838560;mircea_popescu;but in other ternary news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/65037a8cf6ce18873111918da79fbf26/tumblr_nic6dlMDy21s5y4eao1_500.gif 1386512;1453838562;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDuEC ) 1386513;1453838566;ascii_butugychag;btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field 1386514;1453838592;ascii_butugychag;in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end 1386515;1453838598;ascii_butugychag;;;google perceptron xor 1386516;1453838599;gribble;Single-layer Neural Networks (Perceptrons) - School of Computing: ; XOR problem - homepage - AGH: ; Perceptron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 1386517;1453838618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18702 @ 0.00054834 = 10.2551 BTC [+] 1386518;1453838632;ascii_butugychag;his proof is homework-classic today 1386519;1453838661;ascii_butugychag;http://web.csulb.edu/~cwallis/artificialn/History.htm << see also. 1386520;1453838662;assbot;History of the Perceptron ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzDHaD ) 1386521;1453838697;ascii_butugychag;minsky birthed it, and killed it 1386522;1453838718;ascii_butugychag;(multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later) 1386523;1453838789;ascii_butugychag;the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater 1386524;1453838820;ascii_butugychag;Derjaguin. 1386525;1453838840;ascii_butugychag;Дерягин, Борис Владимирович. 1386526;1453838875;ascii_butugychag;who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans. 1386527;1453838898;ascii_butugychag;fell on grenade. 1386528;1453838929;ascii_butugychag;compare with, e.g., p. r. blondlot 1386529;1453838933;ascii_butugychag;of 'n-rays' fame. 1386530;1453838953;ascii_butugychag;french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died ! 1386531;1453840462;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386532;1453840600;ascii_butugychag;minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display. 1386533;1453840604;ascii_butugychag;and a few other things. 1386534;1453840936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00054683 = 15.0105 BTC [-] {2} 1386535;1453841215;ben_vulpes;http://41.media.tumblr.com/bfa8efa37a7cbf61c9fc82d9fa0c2984/tumblr_n149rsIhZp1s71q1zo1_1280.png 1386536;1453841219;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9g6oe ) 1386537;1453842113;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386041 << not just logical. That is the official policy of the IRS according to their own documentation. That's why I stopped filing. 1386538;1453842113;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ? 1386539;1453842118;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386465 << the intersection of the sets "people who play Eulora" and "people who used to play Diablo" is well populated 1386540;1453842118;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo? 1386541;1453842217;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha 1386542;1453842290;danielpbarron;!up ascii_butugychag 1386543;1453842295;ascii_butugychag;and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim 1386544;1453842310;ascii_butugychag;-- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty 1386545;1453842335;ascii_butugychag;(hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable) 1386546;1453842384;ascii_butugychag;this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back... 1386547;1453842583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00055128 = 14.1955 BTC [+] {3} 1386548;1453842809;jurov;in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png 1386549;1453842810;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzK4Le ) 1386550;1453843284;PeterL;I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. 1386551;1453843302;PeterL;(should have been 5 or 6) 1386552;1453843339;PeterL;might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds 1386553;1453843818;trinque;PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions 1386554;1453843851;trinque;one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise 1386555;1453844030;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas. 1386556;1453844540;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386557;1453844898;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie. 1386558;1453844965;ascii_butugychag;also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown 1386559;1453844993;danielpbarron;you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial 1386560;1453845001;ascii_butugychag;prison. 1386561;1453845014;ascii_butugychag;'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru) 1386562;1453845640;thestringpuller;from prison to the gasenwagon 1386563;1453846060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21032 @ 0.000554 = 11.6517 BTC [+] {2} 1386564;1453846726;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1386565;1453846853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15268 @ 0.00056023 = 8.5536 BTC [+] 1386566;1453847890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00055682 = 7.5254 BTC [-] 1386567;1453848134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7441 @ 0.00055682 = 4.1433 BTC [-] 1386568;1453848887;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1386569;1453848924;ascii_butugychag;how goes, thestringpuller ? 1386570;1453849842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00056062 = 38.0381 BTC [+] 1386571;1453849964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00056076 = 11.832 BTC [+] {2} 1386572;1453850025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28337 @ 0.00056062 = 15.8863 BTC [-] 1386573;1453850302;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel. 1386574;1453850325;thestringpuller;no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls. 1386575;1453850440;adlai;ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit) 1386576;1453850469;thestringpuller;dungeon pits are kinda cool. 1386577;1453850483;ascii_butugychag;it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east 1386578;1453850497;adlai;mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs 1386579;1453850501;ascii_butugychag;they were not a long-term thing 1386580;1453850574;*;adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving" 1386581;1453850579;ascii_butugychag;generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery 1386582;1453850604;ascii_butugychag;adlai: what were you in for ? 1386583;1453850609;adlai;ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot? 1386584;1453850632;ascii_butugychag;wai wut 1386585;1453850635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121400 @ 0.00056058 = 68.0544 BTC [-] {4} 1386586;1453850648;*;adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower? 1386587;1453850666;danielpbarron;daffodil or amarylis perhaps 1386588;1453850687;adlai;although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc 1386589;1453850715;*;adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom 1386590;1453850721;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1386591;1453850747;ascii_butugychag;adlai: are you familiar with my 'coke machine' hypothesis ? 1386592;1453850760;adlai;!s from:ascii* coke 1386593;1453850761;assbot;67 results for 'from:ascii* coke' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+coke 1386594;1453850774;adlai;(rings a bell but i'll have to verify) 1386595;1453850783;ascii_butugychag;!s coke machine 1386596;1453850784;assbot;37 results for 'coke machine' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coke+machine 1386597;1453850841;ascii_butugychag;i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison 1386598;1453850843;ascii_butugychag;but fully automated 1386599;1453850869;ascii_butugychag;for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat. 1386600;1453850882;ascii_butugychag;(the cost of the meals is determined on case by case basis) 1386601;1453850890;adlai;whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite? 1386602;1453850911;adlai;do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims? 1386603;1453850919;BingoBoingo; I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children 1386604;1453850921;ascii_butugychag;how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc 1386605;1453850981;adlai;human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys) 1386606;1453850986;ascii_butugychag;anyway this is in the logz. 1386607;1453851019;adlai;not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim 1386608;1453851038;ascii_butugychag;no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor. 1386609;1453851098;*;adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length 1386610;1453851111;ascii_butugychag;how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc. 1386611;1453851127;adlai;all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model 1386612;1453851135;adlai;0/10 would not reinvest 1386613;1453851145;ascii_butugychag;like any other business, it is what you make of it. 1386614;1453851171;ascii_butugychag;catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty. 1386615;1453851198;adlai;aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery. 1386616;1453851235;ascii_butugychag;'lottery' is a term generally reserved for -EV propositions. 1386617;1453851236;*;adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department 1386618;1453851289;ascii_butugychag;if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear. 1386619;1453851293;adlai;hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games? 1386620;1453851299;ascii_butugychag;because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one 1386621;1453851317;ascii_butugychag;adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game 1386622;1453851326;ascii_butugychag;hence no 0sum lottery. 1386623;1453851341;danielpbarron;what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it? 1386624;1453851352;ascii_butugychag;whaddayamean what use 1386625;1453851353;*;adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?) 1386626;1453851356;ascii_butugychag;he coughs up coin 1386627;1453851364;ascii_butugychag;or persuades friends, relatives, to do it on his behalf. 1386628;1453851380;danielpbarron;right, why would the friends do it 1386629;1453851381;adlai;ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery? 1386630;1453851389;*;adlai would 1386631;1453851390;danielpbarron;why be friends with a pit dweller? 1386632;1453851404;ascii_butugychag;danielpbarron: presumably he was your friend ~before~ 1386633;1453851413;danielpbarron;yeah was being the key word there 1386634;1453851422;adlai;danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox 1386635;1453851435;ascii_butugychag;at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom 1386636;1453851438;danielpbarron;so ransom-wet-ware ? 1386637;1453851441;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1386638;1453851452;danielpbarron;well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape 1386639;1453851487;ascii_butugychag;but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional 1386640;1453851489;adlai;allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities 1386641;1453851522;ascii_butugychag;adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death) 1386642;1453851528;polarbeard;cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain 1386643;1453851550;polarbeard;it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas 1386644;1453851596;ascii_butugychag;there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank 1386645;1453851605;adlai;hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D 1386646;1453851635;adlai;paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity' 1386647;1453851756;adlai;"all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out 1386648;1453851799;adlai;s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/ 1386649;1453851825;polarbeard;I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation' 1386650;1453851835;polarbeard;that's literally it 1386651;1453851869;adlai;so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive 1386652;1453851933;ascii_butugychag;for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero 1386653;1453851946;adlai;right, you need slave income > power bill 1386654;1453851960;ascii_butugychag;works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc. 1386655;1453852006;ascii_butugychag;(gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.) 1386656;1453852029;adlai;slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged 1386657;1453852055;ascii_butugychag;'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r) 1386658;1453852065;polarbeard;a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber 1386659;1453852076;adlai;fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/ 1386660;1453852108;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386514 << and look at all the difference that made, too! 1386661;1453852108;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end 1386662;1453852139;adlai;polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources 1386663;1453852178;adlai;in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin) 1386664;1453852193;polarbeard;that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it 1386665;1453852209;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter' 1386666;1453852239;mircea_popescu;sure. 1386667;1453852254;mircea_popescu;if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did. 1386668;1453852254;mircea_popescu;and ? 1386669;1453852272;*;adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin 1386670;1453852290;*;ascii_butugychag begins to see where mircea_popescu is going with this 1386671;1453852342;adlai;ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine 1386672;1453852354;ascii_butugychag;and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket 1386673;1453852373;ascii_butugychag;but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless 1386674;1453852375;ascii_butugychag;and did not. 1386675;1453852387;adlai;and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine. 1386676;1453852428;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << yeah, note the recently re-activated bitcoinica scammer. 1386677;1453852428;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png 1386678;1453852448;adlai;"want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc" 1386679;1453852501;ascii_butugychag;adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ? 1386680;1453852510;ascii_butugychag;because i would like to request this. 1386681;1453852533;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1386682;1453852566;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386573 << it still imports vanilla xml doesn't it ? 1386683;1453852566;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel. 1386684;1453852571;adlai;it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis) 1386685;1453852572;mircea_popescu;you could do xml instead!!111!1 1386686;1453852638;adlai;xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF 1386687;1453852784;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386588 << dude could you be any more of a retarded camwhore, seriously. 1386688;1453852784;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc 1386689;1453852795;mircea_popescu;are we all vague and mysterious and shit ? whoopee. 1386690;1453852797;adlai;ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine 1386691;1453852860;*;adlai is "in the logs" describing the full episode, it's too long to fit in the margins of these. tl;dr: police visited, invited me along so nicely i couldn't refuse, but went home the next day. as danielpbarron pointed out, jail /= prison 1386692;1453852882;ascii_butugychag;adlai: when ? 1386693;1453852918;adlai;early january 2014. i don't remember the exact date and frankly don't feel like trying to recall it. 1386694;1453852941;mircea_popescu;!search from:adlai prison 1386695;1453852942;assbot;3 results for 'from:adlai prison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+prison 1386696;1453852945;*;adlai celebrated "significantly more than two years" instead of astronomically precise anniversaries 1386697;1453852959;mircea_popescu;nope, nothing 2014. 1386698;1453852980;adlai;lol i don't think kako invited me here until months later 1386699;1453852986;mircea_popescu;so then it's not in the logs. 1386700;1453853001;adlai;thus the scare quotes, and distinction from ~these~ 1386701;1453853006;mircea_popescu;isn't lying fun. 1386702;1453853021;adlai;cue "there is no logs but Logs, and you will have no other logs but these" 1386703;1453853043;adlai;en teh archaea - fiat logos 1386704;1453853071;mircea_popescu;mno. cue "it is the halmark of unemployed aluminum siding salesmen to try and pretend " are "". 1386705;1453853082;ascii_butugychag;dafuq is a 'fiat log' 1386706;1453853084;adlai;mircea_popescu: you know the "three things you can watch forever: fire burning, water flowing, people working"? needs an addition, "people bullshitting" 1386707;1453853088;ascii_butugychag;the kind dropped into toilet ? 1386708;1453853125;mircea_popescu;no idea what indiancandy school you went to, but no. nobody cares about specifically female retardation. it's not fascinating, nor sexy, nor even remotely interesting. 1386709;1453853128;adlai;ascii_butugychag: mishmash of fiat (latin) and logos (greek) 1386710;1453853129;mircea_popescu;learn a trade already. 1386711;1453853161;ascii_butugychag;i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic 1386712;1453853162;*;adlai trades time for time and sometimes btc trickle in. that is all, since this conversation doesn't seem to be helping anybody anymore 1386713;1453853180;adlai;'tank' 1386714;1453853217;*;adlai is more of a mechanic than he'd like, something something for insects 1386715;1453853228;adlai;!down 1386716;1453853231;adlai;!down adlai 1386717;1453853348;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386613 << ahahaha this should be in teh bash. 1386718;1453853348;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 23:32:25; ascii_butugychag: like any other business, it is what you make of it. 1386719;1453853354;BingoBoingo;;;later tell davout good job https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42tcqm/eli5_wouldnt_it_be_extremely_inefficient_to_copy/ 1386720;1453853356;assbot;ELI5: "Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to copy every single coffee purchase on everyone's computer?" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9nUDx ) 1386721;1453853356;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1386722;1453853454;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is epic. 1386723;1453853485;mircea_popescu;are all the imbeciles answering actually davout's alt accounts ? 1386724;1453853498;mircea_popescu;because this is just too fucking good lmao, like self-building comedy goldcube. 1386725;1453853540;mircea_popescu;"oh, isn't it inefficient to buy everyone a cup" 1386726;1453853612;BingoBoingo;comedy hypergoldcube 1386727;1453853647;mircea_popescu;[]solled [score hidden] 26 minutes ago 1386728;1453853647;mircea_popescu;Wouldn't it be extremely inefficient to manufacture a paper cup for everyone's coffee? That would be millions of paper cups per day, only to be used once. Coffee will never work. 1386729;1453853652;mircea_popescu;meanwhile disappeared, in my stale page. 1386730;1453853684;mircea_popescu;that's the logic of the great internet nation of teh phillipines! 1386731;1453853915;BingoBoingo;For serious. I should totally move there. Would be great for de-USing my brain all of this other stupidity. 1386732;1453853957;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: philippines is ~preview of near future usa~ 1386733;1453853967;mircea_popescu;nah, argentina is. 1386734;1453853973;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Nah, it is like Australia alt USA lab 1386735;1453853981;mircea_popescu;phillipines is preview of future of china in an alt-world where the us didn't go to shit. 1386736;1453853996;ascii_butugychag;argentina isn't a squalid pisshole complete with free-range islamic nutters 1386737;1453854016;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: They are pretty much all on one island 1386738;1453854023;BingoBoingo;It's Indonesia where they are spread about 1386739;1453854030;mircea_popescu;depends on your perception. 1386740;1453854039;mircea_popescu;people were happy historically in all sorts of environments. 1386741;1453854065;BingoBoingo;Cambodia seemed interesting, but dunno how I feel about multidrug resistant P. Falciprum 1386742;1453854082;ascii_butugychag;that's the thing. ^ pisshole status is quite objectice. 1386743;1453854086;ascii_butugychag;*objective 1386744;1453854090;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1386745;1453854097;mircea_popescu;how come you fail to identify argentina then ? 1386746;1453854123;ascii_butugychag;because it is a function of two inputs, the traveller and the destination. 1386747;1453854130;mircea_popescu;so then how is it objective ?! 1386748;1453854135;mircea_popescu;relativistic objectivity ? 1386749;1453854142;ascii_butugychag;mathematics!111 1386750;1453854146;mircea_popescu;lol. 1386751;1453854177;*;ascii_butugychag is perpetrating this horror on the other side of desk, it is difficult to fully contain 1386752;1453854191;polarbeard;neat, I'm using 'relativistic objectivity' in my next discussion for sure. 1386753;1453854264;*;jurov 's bitcoind segfaults in sha256_block_data_order, after properly and completely wiping out stack... now trying gdb's record&replay for first time 1386754;1453854280;ascii_butugychag;jurov: this from mod6's patch?! 1386755;1453854306;jurov;no, from my own mempool patch 1386756;1453854308;ascii_butugychag;ah 1386757;1453854374;jurov;ascii_butugychag: how big slowdown is that? 1386758;1453854378;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1386759;1453854395;jurov;should i leave it overnight? 1386760;1453854409;jurov;(original crashes after a minute) 1386761;1453854477;ascii_butugychag;jurov: considerable. the thing probably won't keep time. 1386762;1453854484;ascii_butugychag;but it doesn't hurt to try. 1386763;1453854704;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386548 << more sipa than everyone else combined? 1386764;1453854704;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 21:13:29; jurov: in other news, http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png 1386765;1453854831;punkman;also surprised that Gavin didn't write more lines than Satoshi 1386766;1453855305;BingoBoingo;Why would infestation coordinator need to write many lines himself? 1386767;1453855777;mircea_popescu;he did some vocal "community organizing" work at first, but.. 1386768;1453855796;mircea_popescu;sipa dumped tons and tons of code, most of which is shit. 1386769;1453856179;mircea_popescu;!s gauss notebook 1386770;1453856180;assbot;0 results for 'gauss notebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gauss+notebook 1386771;1453856200;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you happen to recall where the original thread was ? 1386772;1453856203;mircea_popescu;in "the logs" 1386773;1453857431;mircea_popescu;ah tis found ty. 1386774;1453858717;*;asciilifeform home in record time - because usg was closed, no cars... 1386775;1453858742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548272 << here you go 1386776;1453858742;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2014 23:12:13; asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange 1386777;1453858750;asciilifeform;ah he found it, nm 1386778;1453858992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51357 @ 0.00055653 = 28.5817 BTC [-] {3} 1386779;1453859087;punkman;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/01/no-cost-license-plate-readers-are-turning-texas-police-mobile-debt-collectors-and 1386780;1453859088;assbot;"No Cost" License Plate Readers Are Turning Texas Police into Mobile Debt Collectors and Data Miners | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/203c7hd ) 1386781;1453859144;punkman;"The government agency in turn gives Vigilant access to information about all its outstanding court fees, which the company then turns into a hot list to feed into the free ALPR systems. As police cars patrol the city, they ping on license plates associated with the fees. The officer then pulls the driver over and offers them a devil’s bargain: get arrested, or pay the original fine with an 1386782;1453859145;punkman;extra 25% processing fee tacked on, all of which goes to Vigilant." 1386783;1453859242;polarbeard;sex between gov and corp is incest 1386784;1453860965;mircea_popescu;ty asciilifeform 1386785;1453861008;mircea_popescu;!up srijan 1386786;1453861012;mircea_popescu;you can talk in here. 1386787;1453861825;srijan;thanks mircea_popescu 1386788;1453861825;srijan;hi everyone, I am a PhD student and I am looking for some help regarding the WoT network used here. Who should I be talking to ? 1386789;1453861842;mircea_popescu;well, this is the best place, ask your question ? 1386790;1453861875;srijan;is there any information about rating changes and rating deletions anywhere? 1386791;1453861973;mircea_popescu;yes, it's in the log. 1386792;1453861980;mircea_popescu;!s from:assbot rated 1386793;1453861981;assbot;154 results for 'from:assbot rated' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+rated 1386794;1453862010;mircea_popescu;see also 1386795;1453862024;mircea_popescu;!s from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating" 1386796;1453862025;assbot;123 results for 'from:assbot " Successfully updated the rating"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aassbot+%22+Successfully+updated+the+rating%22 1386797;1453862075;srijan;okay 1386798;1453862085;srijan;so the wot here: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/ is the current snapshot? 1386799;1453862087;assbot;Index of /wot/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN8AOJ ) 1386800;1453862154;mircea_popescu;i would expect so. see also http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ 1386801;1453862156;assbot;WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S ) 1386802;1453862177;srijan;is the btcalpha wot and btc-assets wot the same thing? 1386803;1453862179;srijan;*are the 1386804;1453862190;mircea_popescu;yes. 1386805;1453862193;srijan;ah i see 1386806;1453862224;srijan;what should I search for deletion of rating? 1386807;1453862236;mircea_popescu;deletions per se are rare. generally people just replace. 1386808;1453862253;srijan;alrighty 1386809;1453862256;srijan;thanks! 1386810;1453862311;mircea_popescu;but you can see 1386811;1453862316;mircea_popescu;!s unrate 1386812;1453862317;assbot;134 results for 'unrate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=unrate 1386813;1453862376;srijan;great thanks! 1386814;1453862465;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, do you still consider Bitcoin OTC WoT (not assbot WoT) important to the Bitcoin community or not more? 1386815;1453862492;mircea_popescu;i don't really use it. 1386816;1453862506;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, that's why I asked you. But why? 1386817;1453862544;mircea_popescu;well, i like this one better, what can i say. 1386818;1453862686;felipelalli;In this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 is very inspiring to me, and you said at that time that Bitcoin OTC WoT was very important. You don't think so anymore or the assbot WoT fully meets? For a new Bitcoin business, the OTC WoT is still important? 1386819;1453862688;assbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd ) 1386820;1453862837;mircea_popescu;felipelalli i do think it's very important, yes. 1386821;1453862958;danielpbarron;the b-a WoT is the same as the one in that post; the fork happened afterwards 1386822;1453863069;felipelalli;thank you mircea_popescu! danielpbarron, yes, I remember, I was here when this fork was made. I remember some conversation about gribble being too much offline and another bot was necessary. Am I wrong? 1386823;1453863094;felipelalli;Not another bot, but another WoT, sorry. 1386824;1453863117;danielpbarron;something like that; and I personally prefer assbot's authentication method to gribble's 1386825;1453863139;mircea_popescu;what happened is - we used gribble wot. then gribbe was offline unexpectedly, and its maintainer wasn't talking. he was traveling at the time, as we later found out. nevertheless, for those few days the situation was indistinguishable from an attack and so we made a replacement. 1386826;1453863146;danielpbarron;idk if it finally got fixed but it was the case that all someone needed to do was compromise your irc client and they could hijack your WoT identity 1386827;1453863163;mircea_popescu;there was some talk about harmonizing the two, but i don't think the guy has any time to be doing maintenance, or any interest for that matter, so... 1386828;1453863205;mircea_popescu;there are specific choices in how gribble handles security that were expedient for a long time, but no longer acceptable, so it'd have to be rewritten. until it isn't, i would think it more like a play sort of thing. 1386829;1453863209;mircea_popescu;decent to learn on, i suppose. 1386830;1453863250;felipelalli;like the session in gribble, I guess. 1386831;1453863319;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! 1386832;1453863321;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000194.html 1386833;1453863322;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN9kDm ) 1386834;1453863330;asciilifeform;^^^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^ 1386835;1453863405;mircea_popescu;iinteresting 1386836;1453863456;asciilifeform;i forgot to put the skull and crossbones in there 1386837;1453863482;asciilifeform;but please DO NOT USE in battlefield ! this or the next bit. it is for laboratory only ! 1386838;1453863533;felipelalli;asciilifeform, I didn't have too much time yet to explore this project and your work but I follow far with twinkle in my eyes. Congrats! 1386839;1453863553;asciilifeform;felipelalli: this piece is just a lemma for the bigger thing 1386840;1453863560;asciilifeform;it doesn't do anything at all on its own. 1386841;1453863561;mircea_popescu;1.41, reasonably recent too 1386842;1453863569;felipelalli;asciilifeform, I am trying to learn the whole thing yet. But I had to pause it. 1386843;1453863593;felipelalli;But I loved the idea to integrate WoT on it! 1386844;1453863627;mircea_popescu;ok, this i gotta quote. 1386845;1453863629;mircea_popescu;+/* ADJ is enough slack to align cells in a TYPE_BITS-bit boundary */ 1386846;1453863629;mircea_popescu;+#define ADJ 32 1386847;1453863629;mircea_popescu;+#define TYPE_BITS 5 1386848;1453863629;mircea_popescu;+#define T_MASKTYPE 31 /* 0000000000011111 */ 1386849;1453863629;mircea_popescu;+#define T_SYNTAX 4096 /* 0001000000000000 */ 1386850;1453863631;mircea_popescu;+#define T_IMMUTABLE 8192 /* 0010000000000000 */ 1386851;1453863632;mircea_popescu;+#define T_ATOM 16384 /* 0100000000000000 */ /* only for gc */ 1386852;1453863635;mircea_popescu;+#define CLRATOM 49151 /* 1011111111111111 */ /* only for gc */ 1386853;1453863636;mircea_popescu;+#define MARK 32768 /* 1000000000000000 */ 1386854;1453863639;mircea_popescu;+#define UNMARK 32767 /* 0111111111111111 */ 1386855;1453863650;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is with gc 1386856;1453863776;asciilifeform;the comment on T_ATOM is a lie, it is used for the predicate is_atom and in a bunch of places 1386857;1453863814;asciilifeform;clratom is a negated mask that is used to un-atom something, which only happens during the mark cycle of gc 1386858;1453863815;mircea_popescu;i wonder what happened 1386859;1453863841;asciilifeform;if you really want to know how this thing works, i recommend reading minischeme (the smaller item this was based on) 1386860;1453863848;asciilifeform;i've carried a copy around with me for most of a decade. 1386861;1453863851;asciilifeform;it is spiffy. 1386862;1453863871;asciilifeform;(but unfortunately not usable for this experiment, lacks support for i/o 'ports' and, more importantly, arrays) 1386863;1453863882;asciilifeform;japanese, circa '89 1386864;1453863885;adlai;srijan: fwiw it is possible to update ratings in private message, and afaik the only person who can give you the full data on thata is kakobrekla 1386865;1453863890;adlai;!up srijan 1386866;1453863960;adlai;asciilifeform: so tabs vs spaces was not bad enough, and we also need lisp-1 vs lisp-2 in Bitcoin? 1386867;1453863970;asciilifeform;afaik, tinyscheme is currently the smallest (in re: complexity) standards-compliant (mostly) schematron in the world 1386868;1453863979;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3HE2DV5.txt 1386869;1453863980;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCsEDQ ) 1386870;1453864006;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1386871;1453864073;mircea_popescu;ok, ok. i take it back. 1386872;1453864080;srijan;thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that? 1386873;1453864093;mircea_popescu;think for a second srijan. 1386874;1453864101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it cites knuth, note, if you wanna know how the gc goes. 1386875;1453864173;mircea_popescu;algorithm E 1386876;1453864181;adlai;mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think further details beyond what i just deeded is relevant for this forum, or any other, except perhaps a court convened in my honor by the relevant mob. 1386877;1453864184;mircea_popescu;i had no idea this stuff was even deployed anywhere. 1386878;1453864191;mircea_popescu;adlai me either. 1386879;1453864384;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Tarantino Terminal State ; also known as Gauss' Queasiness in a different field. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-tarantino-terminal-state-also-known-as-gauss-queasiness-in-a-different-field/ 1386880;1453865237;adlai;it's worth noting that towards the end of NCO training we had a lecture (by a shrink/officer hybrid) about the most effective way to prevent PTSD before the T is even Ped, which is, unintuitively, immediate debriefing. 1386881;1453865286;adlai;given the forum and audience - more words in one ear and out the other 1386882;1453865324;asciilifeform;adlai: in american army - ketamine. 1386883;1453865363;asciilifeform;(not sure if this is 'official' method, but it was being tested a few years back, and a reserve grunt confirmed it when i asked) 1386884;1453865403;adlai;(/= prevent treat mitigate etc) 1386885;1453865466;adlai;dissos help with depression to some dubious degree. i'm not convinced this'll prove long-term to be more reliable a cure than "ceremony helps with personal growth", modulo shamans 1386886;1453865517;mircea_popescu;"The McCulloch-Pitts neuron worked by inputting either a 1 or 0 for each of the inputs, where 1 represented true and 0 false. " 1386887;1453865522;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this is so not how neurons work. 1386888;1453865543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and airplanes don't flap ! newz at 11 ! 1386889;1453865553;mircea_popescu;this is fucking endearing. 1386890;1453865556;mircea_popescu;seriously, "1 and 0" ? 1386891;1453865566;mircea_popescu;this is my new favourite man-hammer example 1386892;1453865609;asciilifeform;anyway it was 1/0 time weight 1386893;1453865612;asciilifeform;*times 1386894;1453865620;mircea_popescu;if only neurons were disctrete logic gates. a) i'd feel much better about nature being an idiot ; b) i wouldn't be around to figure that one out anyway. 1386895;1453865645;asciilifeform;(it is interesting to consider how nn became useful only when it ~entirely~ dropped the pretense of biomimeticism - where in nature do you find backpropagation !!!???) 1386896;1453865669;asciilifeform;sorta how airplane became a thing when folks quit trying to flap wings. 1386897;1453865689;mircea_popescu;anyway, to get back to it. romanian expression to denote that dubious state when a previously intelligent, middle class fellow is going irrecoverably nuts is, "ii fileaza o lampa". 1386898;1453865702;mircea_popescu;the noun refers directly to an old style glass diode 1386899;1453865733;mircea_popescu;the verb, a fila, describes the careful, discreet look a poker player gives his card, as well as transitional and usually undesired processes in diodes. 1386900;1453865750;mircea_popescu;this is how fucking neurons work : like electronics burning off. 1386901;1453865810;asciilifeform;except that electronics don't extend tendrils (cruddy euro lead-free solder excepted...) 1386902;1453865821;mircea_popescu;no, because they explode. 1386903;1453865826;mircea_popescu;if they were less brissant they would. 1386904;1453865885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43196 @ 0.00055346 = 23.9073 BTC [-] {4} 1386905;1453865917;mircea_popescu;incidentally, unless i deeply misunderstand something, backpropagation is botyh found in nature and introduced in nn on an offshot hoped to better mimic. 1386906;1453865958;asciilifeform;absolutely not. 1386907;1453865965;mircea_popescu;which part ? 1386908;1453865971;asciilifeform;both 1386909;1453866012;asciilifeform;backpropagation is when you train the net by taking the errors and working backwards, 'punishing' the weights which produced it proportionately. 1386910;1453866015;asciilifeform;roughly speaking. 1386911;1453866035;mircea_popescu;this actually happens. 1386912;1453866040;asciilifeform;http://mattmazur.com/2015/03/17/a-step-by-step-backpropagation-example << see also 1386913;1453866043;assbot;A Step by Step Backpropagation Example – Matt Mazur ... ( http://bit.ly/1nObnLK ) 1386914;1453866055;mircea_popescu;for instance sight is based on it : neurons that produce less valuable output are inhibited by the ones producing the better output. 1386915;1453866079;asciilifeform;aha but (as far as anybody knows) it does not methodically propagate through whole brain. 1386916;1453866083;mircea_popescu;so in a field of 3x3 you won't get equal output from all 9 but usually most of the input from just one 1386917;1453866099;mircea_popescu;well ignorance is a poor argument, but we know for a fact something like it is at work in perception selection 1386918;1453866117;asciilifeform;the idea is not entirely unbiological, but is about as related to what meat does as the wings of a 747 are to a bird's. 1386919;1453866138;mircea_popescu;aite. 1386920;1453866663;BingoBoingo;Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro 1386921;1453866907;mod6;Update: Testing & Finalizing changes on V [v99996] 1386922;1453867082;mod6;will update the build script that we've all been using (as referenced by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com) too. 1386923;1453867167;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1386924;1453867175;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 392.43, vol: 6521.08086997 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.337, vol: 4683.98498 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 391.92, vol: 12911.77321324 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 395.694, vol: 34202.76930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.95, vol: 621.97011415 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.550863989, vol: 28.48649467 | Volume-weighted last average: 394.404465355 1386925;1453867230;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1386926;1453867237;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2603.98, vol: 34143.83700000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2603.98 1386927;1453867398;BingoBoingo;FEDS CAPTURE BUNDY?! 1386928;1453869255;BingoBoingo;Bahamas meme omitted from latest qntra because srs bsns 1386929;1453869260;BingoBoingo;!Up felipelalli 1386930;1453869272;deedbot-;[Qntra] Militia Hero Killed, Ammon Bundy And Others Captured - http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-hero-killed-ammon-bundy-and-others-captured/ 1386931;1453869362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14604 @ 0.00054748 = 7.9954 BTC [-] 1386932;1453869509;BingoBoingo;So feds violently capture the bundy brothers and 5 other people to what exactly? Make the hundred or so other armed militiament raise their guard? 1386933;1453869589;adlai;but this is greatly reassuring, it suggests usg will build coke machines regardless of their EV signum, saving worried folks the trouble of proving it one way or the other 1386934;1453869655;adlai;let us hope for wiser tyrants tomorrow. 1386935;1453869906;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/692181581990105088 1386936;1453870068;adlai;https://youtu.be/_mTI2yHemEY <--> https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf 1386937;1453870069;assbot;Bitcoin Bitcoin Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1lQAbBa ) 1386938;1453870071;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1lQAbRy ) 1386939;1453870131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja think they had some magical elixir to magic away usg ? 1386940;1453870148;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe? 1386941;1453870208;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seemed to be working for the Elder Bundy in Nevada 1386942;1453870209;asciilifeform;the single corpse suggests that they plugged the fella keeping night watch and picked up the rest in their pajamas. 1386943;1453870276;Duffer1;it was tarpman 1386944;1453870283;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They were apparently in transit hence the small number of rebels accounted for 1386945;1453870363;asciilifeform;snoar. 1386946;1453870384;asciilifeform;anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. 1386947;1453870392;Duffer1;hhe no doubt 1386948;1453870397;Duffer1;call me when they hit the building 1386949;1453870415;asciilifeform;just as when tim mcveigh 'declared civil war' 1386950;1453870431;BingoBoingo;Sums to crater in OK city 1386951;1453870451;Duffer1;wasn't he solo though? 1386952;1453870508;mod6;Terry Nichols 1386953;1453870545;Duffer1;dudes death is really bad for hopes of peaceful resolution with remainder of militia 1386954;1453870700;asciilifeform;so they'll have a not-quite-peaceful one. 1386955;1453870705;asciilifeform;big fat whoop. 1386956;1453870799;BingoBoingo;in not-peaceful end USG does have to run money printer for life insurance on its instruments 1386957;1453870894;BingoBoingo;https://blog.bitmex.com/translation-of-chinese-miner-consensus-meeting/ 1386958;1453870895;assbot;Translation Of Chinese Miner Consensus Meeting | BitMEX Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/23sh5mU ) 1386959;1453871133;adlai;"Rejecting the Core immature Seg Wit proposal is very important... Therefore the 2MB limit and 90% fork consensus should bring us to a more acceptable fork, and we wish to see consensus on other issues (e.g. increasing unconfirmed tx)." 1386960;1453871155;*;adlai didn't realize gas mask was required on this blog, too... should've been tipped off by the word 'miner' 1386961;1453871273;danielpbarron;>> Historically Bitcoin is far from "reliable" as we have all experienced. For instance, we had a ValueOverflow incident on 2010/08/15 in which billions of Bitcoin were generated in 1 single block. << bitcoin didn't even really exist in 2010 1386962;1453871276;adlai;miners rejecting softforks and encouraging hard is like... like... i can't even. 1386963;1453871374;danielpbarron;and is "BitMEX" supposed to be confused with MPEx ? or is that just in my head? 1386964;1453871526;BingoBoingo;Who knows anymore 1386965;1453873046;mircea_popescu;o wow, they charged the bundy thing huh ? 1386966;1453873060;BingoBoingo;Well, for a handful of them 1386967;1453873072;BingoBoingo;Still ~100 camped out 1386968;1453873103;mircea_popescu;curious how this theory of "kill ammon the rest will go home" pans out for them 1386969;1453873142;Duffer1;ammon's fine, they killed tarptard 1386970;1453873144;BingoBoingo;Prolly like Waco 1386971;1453873161;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Ryan's wounded 1386972;1453873178;Duffer1;ya 1386973;1453873269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist. 1386974;1453873488;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo should end article in a question. 1386975;1453873653;BingoBoingo;fxd 1386976;1453874147;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 right you are. 1386977;1453874154;mircea_popescu;well, curious nevertheless. 1386978;1453874230;mod6;alright, all of V's automated tests are updated & passing. manual tests look good so far. documentation is updated. should be ready for a new bundle by the end of the week. 1386979;1453874349;mod6;Salud! 1386980;1453874568;BingoBoingo;"Recruits and their parents will have questions about either approach, although question No. 1 should be: How could a player the program used to plaster on billboards across the state end up in a video like that?" >> http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-if-clean-mauk-should-come-clean/article_9a463c0c-1b1b-5464-8e26-bf9d5ef536c2.html 1386981;1453874569;assbot;BenFred: If clean, Mauk should come clean : Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmSL1g ) 1386982;1453874784;BingoBoingo;IN other sports balls https://i2.wp.com/memecollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/butt-bouncing-cup-cute-girl-gifs.gif?fit=200%2C353 1386983;1453874785;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmT0JM ) 1386984;1453875905;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.46301616 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b79 1386985;1453876111;BingoBoingo;lol Trumettes can cry all they like. My establishment boy Rubio's still the BitBet (i.e. real) favorite for the nomination https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ 1386986;1453876112;assbot;BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (54%) on Yes, 0.47 B (46%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 37`696 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 ) 1386987;1453876364;BingoBoingo;!up Alopex 1386988;1453880891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00056079 = 10.8232 BTC [+] {3} 1386989;1453888460;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386719 <<< feels like tossing a mentos in diet coke 1386990;1453888460;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 00:09:14; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout good job https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42tcqm/eli5_wouldnt_it_be_extremely_inefficient_to_copy/ 1386991;1453889276;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1386992;1453889280;gribble;Current Blocks: 395277 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 1874 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1386993;1453890749;BingoBoingo;Truefax: After Deliverance was released a major tourism and rafting industry developed along that stretch of river 1386994;1453891275;kakobrekla;!up srijan 1386995;1453891288;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386872 < yes it is possible to do that 1386996;1453891288;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 03:08:00; srijan: thanks adlai for the info. kakobrekla, would you be able to help with that? 1386997;1453894921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32740 @ 0.00055914 = 18.3062 BTC [-] {2} 1386998;1453898398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00055914 = 16.9699 BTC [-] 1386999;1453899194;*;asciilifeform dreamed that the only type of meat now permitted was: worm, and was touring a former sausage factory, where they still made sausages, but never sold'em - only hung them up in specially-made racks to be infested by worms and converted entirely to them, before shipment 1387000;1453899272;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386973 << this is 'experiment' in the same sense as.. dropping a cube of sugar in a glass of water. 1387001;1453899272;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 05:41:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anything involving american 'militia' sums to 0 from start. << they have a word for the dudes knowing the results of experiments aforehand, and that name pointedly isn't scientist. 1387002;1453899333;asciilifeform;usaschwitz 'militia' folk are not pashtuns. they come from the same broken culture as everybody else. 1387003;1453899386;asciilifeform;they are the full intellectual equals of the new york death ray schmuck 1387004;1453899399;asciilifeform;as demonstrated by every single interaction between them and usg, ever, to date. 1387005;1453899495;asciilifeform;i know that mircea_popescu gotta have his 'tough, resourceful partizans vs cowardly, blundering polizei' narrative. but look for it elsewhere. 1387006;1453899514;asciilifeform;(even the urban black gangs are better candidates...) 1387007;1453899557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84400 @ 0.00055877 = 47.1602 BTC [-] {3} 1387008;1453900011;asciilifeform;but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. 1387009;1453900028;asciilifeform;any more than stampeding bulls are partizans on a farm. 1387010;1453900068;asciilifeform;farmer - knows how to deal with the bull. 1387011;1453902159;PeterL;BingoBoingo, "six members of the members of the" 1st paragraph 1387012;1453905535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12934 @ 0.00056201 = 7.269 BTC [+] {2} 1387013;1453906841;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42u1v8/core_devs_communication_has_improved_thank_you/ looky what a healer 1387014;1453906844;assbot;Core Devs: Communication has improved, thank you. Two more moves, and the civil war may end. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JENEaE ) 1387015;1453906850;mircea_popescu;lol 1387016;1453906858;jurov;"Move 1) Core clearly commits to a hard fork block size increase, by adding it to its formal roadmap." 1387017;1453906865;mircea_popescu;lemme guess, reddit is pompously calling "everyone ignores us" a "civil war" ? 1387018;1453906874;jurov;"Move 2) Core formally, publicly, and clearly denounces the censorship that has plagued community discussion, and should apologize for not having done so earlier. " 1387019;1453906902;mircea_popescu;herpitty derp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2016#1386034 1387020;1453906902;assbot;Logged on 26-01-2016 15:22:52; mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially 1387021;1453906971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so. 1387022;1453906988;mircea_popescu;and i resent the "narrative" implication, especially seeing how it's your fucking problem. 1387023;1453907362;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000194.html << Cool! I missed this lastnight. Can we use this to build the R.I. as we know it today, or is 'Shiva' the name of the required changes to the R.I. to use tinyscheme? 1387024;1453907363;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WN9kDm ) 1387025;1453907396;mod6;Or how do we utilize this. 1387026;1453907419;PeterL;I thought Shiva is tinyscheme stuffed into the R.I. ? 1387027;1453907523;mod6;I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance. 1387028;1453907553;jurov;no he sent today only the tinyscheme code 1387029;1453907562;jurov;the integration to come later 1387030;1453907566;mircea_popescu;mod6 not for a while yet. 1387031;1453907594;mircea_popescu;the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually. 1387032;1453907604;mircea_popescu;but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind 1387033;1453907709;thestringpuller;isn't sexpr some kinda latex stuff? 1387034;1453907712;jurov;plus, as the database/datastructure (both in-memory and on-disk) implementations in C/C++ are retarded, they may be replaced by scheme ones (don't take that as promise on my part) 1387035;1453907745;mod6;mircea_popescu: ahh, ok thanks for clearing that up. 1387036;1453907773;mircea_popescu;actually it's the hole through which the day comes in, to stick to estalibhsed metaphora. 1387037;1453907775;jurov;;;google s-expression 1387038;1453907776;gribble;S-expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; S-Expressions - Rosetta Code: ; Lisp: list vs S-expression - Stack Overflow: 1387039;1453907781;jurov;^ thestringpuller 1387040;1453907820;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if you recall the raging arguments between the hyerophants and the zealots, s-expr was the one faint hope the alphabetic side nailed its hopes on. 1387041;1453908158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00055229 = 36.2302 BTC [-] {4} 1387042;1453910062;jurov;!up ascii_butugychag 1387043;1453910781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13975 @ 0.00056202 = 7.8542 BTC [+] 1387044;1453910961;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387030 << actually the basic shivatron is done, but i'd like to test before posting 1387045;1453910961;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:46; mircea_popescu: mod6 not for a while yet. 1387046;1453911099;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387032 << initially the thing is to be used, very carefully, as a kind of scriptable debugger (e.g., 'when a tx comes in, do XXX' 1387047;1453911099;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:24; mircea_popescu: but this is a very far seeing thing, for now it means ~nothing to bitcoind 1387048;1453911103;ascii_butugychag;) 1387049;1453911154;ascii_butugychag;my first attempt was a very dirty hack, i re-did it as a properly vtronic thing (to preserve pedigree linkage to classical tinyscheme) 1387050;1453911176;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps 1387051;1453911196;ascii_butugychag;mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking. 1387052;1453911262;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387021 << if mircea_popescu tells me there are partizans, i'll believe. but the (fed-subsidized!) ranchers are sad schmucks. 1387053;1453911262;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but in point of fact there are no partizans in usa. <<< this is factually not so. 1387054;1453911278;ascii_butugychag;(perhaps whoever shot out the substations in ca last year, partizans) 1387055;1453911316;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387027 << i promise to explain once the whole thing is up on the ml. 1387056;1453911316;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 15:12:03; mod6: I have no clue. Was hoping asciilifeform would explain all of this when he gets a chance. 1387057;1453911351;ascii_butugychag;shiva is a very dangerous instrument, and anyone considering using it for whatever purpose will need to read the docs and 'measure seven times, cut once' 1387058;1453911388;PeterL;basically it gives you hooks into the internal guts of bitcoind? 1387059;1453911414;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1387060;1453911430;ascii_butugychag;you telnet and get a repl. 1387061;1453911451;PeterL;is this a step toward a working bitcoin-os? 1387062;1453911460;ascii_butugychag;something like that. 1387063;1453911493;shinohai;telnet yet! I love it. 1387064;1453911539;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> incidentally, ~nobody~ noticed that i used an ancient vdiff that shat out timestamps << no, i noticed, as well as the "false" string. 1387065;1453911559;ascii_butugychag;prolly gonna have to rebake it 1387066;1453911573;ascii_butugychag;(and afaik nobody cancelled the 'false' for file dels) 1387067;1453911609;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: the goal is much more modest, i just need something that lets me poke around a running trb 1387068;1453911623;ascii_butugychag;gdb is a nonstarter, thing won't keep time with it in 1387069;1453911628;mircea_popescu;and let's stick with the "narrative" bs. whether the us has any sensible life left in it somehwere or not doth make very little difference to me. i'd be quick to believe it makes very little difference to you also, if it weren't for your sad situation of being EX 1387070;1453911635;mircea_popescu;ACTLY what you loudly despise in those rangers. 1387071;1453911640;mircea_popescu;which is to say, fed subsidized. 1387072;1453911651;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i think even the air i breathe is subsidized somehow. 1387073;1453911661;mircea_popescu;so, how about : you show me you can in fact live like a man, rather than as a welfare child, and then i show you where there are partisans, to believe. 1387074;1453911663;mircea_popescu;how about that. 1387075;1453911778;mircea_popescu;but until such a time, i'll extend those dudes trying to do stuff the same slack i extend you, which is : who knows, maybe they are what they wish to be instead of what their environment seems to dictate. and maybe one day. 1387076;1453911797;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> mod6: should i re-grind the ts genesis? or can your vtron eat this without choking. << i can throw it in my patches dir tonight and see what it does with it. 1387077;1453911799;mircea_popescu;it doesn't altogether seem a stretch, to me, this. but to attack the concept is to attack yourself. 1387078;1453911885;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1387079;1453911960;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what would this look like? kalash, kandahar ? 1387080;1453911969;mircea_popescu;no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like! 1387081;1453911979;mircea_popescu;all you can tell from aside is what it can't look like. 1387082;1453911979;ascii_butugychag;no but what would count as properly honourable 1387083;1453911990;ascii_butugychag;do i have to catch own goat ? 1387084;1453911994;ascii_butugychag;or is it permissible to buy one 1387085;1453912004;mircea_popescu;depends. is it with money you buy it, or with asshole ? 1387086;1453912025;ascii_butugychag;with money. but then turns out that said goat was subsidized by american occupying soldiers... 1387087;1453912037;mircea_popescu;there's no "turns out". 1387088;1453912066;mircea_popescu;that's the problem here. this constant "turns out" device which allows you to pretend metaphysics beats physics and meta-* rules supreme. 1387089;1453912068;mircea_popescu;nonsense! 1387090;1453912125;mircea_popescu;stop passing by reference and instead pass by value. lest you sit among a pile of knotted pointers wondering where all the value went. 1387091;1453912228;kakobrekla;anyone got that recent pic/link showing bitcoin dev by lines since beginning at hand? 1387092;1453912291;mircea_popescu;yes one sec 1387093;1453912292;jurov;!s in other news from:jurov 1387094;1453912293;assbot;7 results for 'in other news from:jurov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news+from%3Ajurov 1387095;1453912306;kakobrekla;thank you 1387096;1453912391;mircea_popescu;http://s12.postimg.org/cqy6boot9/bitcoin_core_analysis.png 1387097;1453912392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PzK4Le ) 1387098;1453912394;mircea_popescu;oh 1387099;1453912423;kakobrekla;better twice than nullce 1387100;1453912438;mircea_popescu;lol 1387101;1453914931;PeterL;!up ascii_butugychag 1387102;1453915022;*;ascii_butugychag just now realizes that mircea_popescu would make a world-class sergeant 1387103;1453915065;mircea_popescu;heh 1387104;1453915142;ascii_butugychag;he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot 1387105;1453915191;mircea_popescu;and perhaps there is even good reason for this! 1387106;1453915276;ascii_butugychag;how else. 1387107;1453915287;mircea_popescu;anyway - i keep slaves, it affords me deeper knowledge and more experience in less time than any sargent could ever hope for. 1387108;1453915321;mircea_popescu;but the deep reason isn't that it doesn't occur to the girls. it does occur. what also occurs is that it doth not, at the time, matter! whether they're maggots or not. 1387109;1453915356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00056334 = 27.998 BTC [+] {3} 1387110;1453915360;ascii_butugychag;i recall a spiffy mircea_popescu article re: how one ends up having to lie to chix, when telling them that they are worthless, because they are in fact worth something 1387111;1453915388;ascii_butugychag;whereas a bloke is worth something possibly at the moment he charges the enemy machine-gun nest successfully 1387112;1453915408;mircea_popescu;why so sexist ? 1387113;1453915436;ascii_butugychag;how did it go... 'mammalian reproduction shits out horde of disposable males' 1387114;1453915464;ascii_butugychag;hard to argue with this. 1387115;1453915573;mircea_popescu;yes, well, in this sense at rest photons are the most valuable thing in the world, seeing how nature doth not shit them out at all. 1387116;1453915611;mircea_popescu;anyway, this discussion goes splendidly with the article i've been working on, so ... 1387117;1453915615;ascii_butugychag;'bird's milk' 1387118;1453915621;ascii_butugychag;(or, in the anglo world, 'hen's teeth') 1387119;1453921372;deedbot-;[Trilema] The end of democracy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-end-of-democracy/ 1387120;1453922188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79106 @ 0.00054946 = 43.4656 BTC [-] 1387121;1453923033;punkman;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35420579 1387122;1453923035;assbot;Google achieves AI 'breakthrough' by beating Go champion - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyFDul ) 1387123;1453923053;punkman;"Earlier on Wednesday, Facebook's chief executive had said its own AI project had been "getting close" to beating humans at Go." 1387124;1453923231;mircea_popescu;awww. 1387125;1453923347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055139 = 18.637 BTC [+] 1387126;1453924120;punkman;http://news.softpedia.com/news/android-ransomware-threatens-to-share-your-browsing-history-with-your-friends-499508.shtml 1387127;1453924214;mircea_popescu;so basically what, mandatory facebooking ? 1387128;1453924229;mircea_popescu;"dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway." 1387129;1453924660;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387104 << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you! 1387130;1453924660;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 17:19:02; ascii_butugychag: he can say 'drop and fifty pushups, maggot' and it will not even occur to one to not do the push-ups, much less that one is not maggot 1387131;1453924692;adlai;any self-respecting unit had exceptions in place, but every single new recruit had to sign a form exempting their sergeants from such rules 1387132;1453925009;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggnog_Riot << this is one of the lulziest things ever. 1387133;1453925010;assbot;Eggnog Riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDQPRk ) 1387134;1453925019;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure if the events or the tardpedia retelling make it. 1387135;1453925797;PeterL;doesn't wikipedia have some sort of "needs to be noteable" policy? 1387136;1453926027;mircea_popescu;yes, but it's necessarily a meaningless test seeing how wikipedia itself is not notable. 1387137;1453926072;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1387138;1453926111;ascii_butugychag;so there is a kind of phree volkischer-beobachter they hand out in the train station here. and it had a full page ad in it today, melted my brain, full pyongyang mode 1387139;1453926134;ascii_butugychag;had an obama standing in a photoshopped mountain canyon, sunrise illuminating his saintly halo, 1387140;1453926142;ascii_butugychag;'thank you obama for defending our public lands!' 1387141;1453926146;ascii_butugychag;i shit thee not. 1387142;1453926187;PeterL;http://www.cracked.com/article_14981_the-8-most-needlessly-detailed-wikipedia-entries.html 1387143;1453926189;assbot;The 8 Most Needlessly Detailed Wikipedia Entries | Cracked.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDTWsB ) 1387144;1453926216;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag put a pic up ? 1387145;1453926231;ascii_butugychag;i'll grab a copy on my way back & scan it 1387146;1453926235;ascii_butugychag;just so precious. 1387147;1453926245;mircea_popescu;PeterL anything about the most tediously unfunny cracked article ? 1387148;1453926299;PeterL;meh, it was the first thing that popped up. I don't really reccommen the link 1387149;1453926340;ascii_butugychag;incidentally the centerpiece article in that rag was hilarious, it was about d.c. folk fighting over (yes) parking spots they excavated in the snow 1387150;1453926377;PeterL;don't Chicago people do that all the time? 1387151;1453926399;ascii_butugychag;no idea 1387152;1453926421;PeterL;"People are assholes, news at 11!" 1387153;1453926466;mircea_popescu;so how does obama relate to the collapsed urban infrastructure i nthe very fucking capitol ? 1387154;1453926529;ascii_butugychag;fiddles while it burns ? 1387155;1453927007;mircea_popescu;so in a quest for obscure nonsense, we encounter an interesting bit of david blight : "One of the ideas the reconciliationist Lost Cause instilled deeply into the national culture is that even when Americans lose, they win. Such was the message, the indomitable spirit, that Margaret Mitchell infused into her character Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind." 1387156;1453927009;mircea_popescu;this dude http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/opinion/30blight.html 1387157;1453927012;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QDVYc0 ) 1387158;1453927800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8471 @ 0.00055821 = 4.7286 BTC [+] {2} 1387159;1453928697;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1387160;1453929289;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell adlai http://www.loper-os.org/?p=13&cpage=1#comment-17582 1387161;1453929291;assbot;Loper OS » The Book ... ( http://bit.ly/20tnuMf ) 1387162;1453929291;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387163;1453929301;ascii_butugychag;^ anybody else who wanted kogge's mega-b00k 1387164;1453929309;ascii_butugychag;l337 w4r3z!11111 1387165;1453929332;*;adlai only w4r3z secondhand cl3475 1387166;1453929399;ascii_butugychag;pretty decent scan. 1387167;1453929402;ascii_butugychag;no idea who did it. 1387168;1453929442;adlai;ascii_butugychag: danke! i was able to get the pdf from the 2nd link with a textmode browser... "look ma, no js!" 1387169;1453929463;ascii_butugychag;now it just needs to become a djvu 1387170;1453929466;ascii_butugychag;and it'll be a winner. 1387171;1453929476;ascii_butugychag;srsly who saves scans as pdf. 1387172;1453929482;ascii_butugychag;savages. 1387173;1453929502;PeterL;isn't pdf kinda bulky? 1387174;1453929526;ascii_butugychag;bitmaps are bulky 1387175;1453929528;adlai;and on the 8th day, God released pdf2djvu 1387176;1453929880;ascii_butugychag;http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/213445/why-does-ti-have-so-many-microcontrollers << random lulz 1387177;1453929881;assbot;Why does TI have so many microcontrollers? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/20toNLf ) 1387178;1453929901;ascii_butugychag;'Hercules is a continuation of the TMS470/TMS570 line. It's focused on safety and performance. One of the key features of Hercules is dual CPUs running the same code in parallel ("lock-step"). This lets you immediately detect faults in the CPU itself.' << apparently not entirely extinct 1387179;1453930291;shinohai;;;later tell mircea_popescu I installed Eulora on my new lappy, any chance you can resend me my pass when you have time? thanx. 1387180;1453930292;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387181;1453930689;mats;i was just in a meeting where bosses decided to downgrade ~10k windows 10 users to TLS 1.0 (from 1.2) because of a bug from patch tuesday 1387182;1453930696;mats;wat 1387183;1453930789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40419 @ 0.00055682 = 22.5061 BTC [-] {4} 1387184;1453932102;mircea_popescu;shinohai nope, i dun keep em. 1387185;1453932109;mircea_popescu;do you have the original paste ? 1387186;1453932186;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387031 <<< pretty cool! 1387187;1453932186;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 15:13:14; mircea_popescu: the idea is to replace json with sexpr which means you'll have to have some sort of scheme in there. and once you do, it'll replace the retarded format of coin scripts too, eventually. 1387188;1453932197;mircea_popescu;word. 1387189;1453932215;davout;i meant to link to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387060 actually 1387190;1453932215;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 16:17:10; ascii_butugychag: you telnet and get a repl. 1387191;1453932220;davout;:D 1387192;1453932261;mircea_popescu;lol. 1387193;1453932270;BingoBoingo;http://www.vdare.com/posts/anarcho-tyranny-danish-girl-fights-off-attempted-rape-gets-charged-by-government 1387194;1453932272;assbot;Anarcho-Tyranny: Danish Girl Fights Off Attempted Rape, Gets Charged By Government | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform ... ( http://bit.ly/20tvHQp ) 1387195;1453933386;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: reason #310421 i need to move to portland: better air quality. How the fuck do I get inflamed sinuses in fucking winter? 1387196;1453933398;thestringpuller;Georgia is such a cesspool. 1387197;1453933473;BingoBoingo;No that's a reason to move to a mountaintop. 1387198;1453933804;ben_vulpes;or mircea_popescu's salt mine 1387199;1453934437;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386920 << and chetty, in tribute i imagine 1387200;1453934437;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 03:51:03; BingoBoingo: Oh trilema header returns with more pyramid and afro 1387201;1453934449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19436 @ 0.00055856 = 10.8562 BTC [+] {2} 1387202;1453934855;*;ben_vulpes doffs hat 1387203;1453934876;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: how's that jew fro going? 1387204;1453934882;ben_vulpes;not. 1387205;1453934885;*;thestringpuller has a soft spot for jew fros. 1387206;1453935085;ben_vulpes;> ro-fro 1387207;1453935394;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: you're not alone as a black-dude-with-an-affinity-slash-respect-for-the-non-black-dude-fro. when i let my hair down, everyone from the ethiopian immigrants here to the locals in jamaica all be like "yo man! hao cum yoo iz gott hayur like mee?!" 1387208;1453935413;thestringpuller;exactly. 1387209;1453935418;thestringpuller;lets go do disco now and dance! 1387210;1453935475;pete_dushenski;if anything can ever bridge the black-white divide, it's this genetic anomaly. 1387211;1453935530;thestringpuller;and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls. 1387212;1453935535;thestringpuller;guys* 1387213;1453935599;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387119 << how did this entire ~1.5k word piece not mention 'power laws' one single time ? iza disappoint :P 1387214;1453935599;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 19:02:52; deedbot-: [Trilema] The end of democracy - http://trilema.com/2016/the-end-of-democracy/ 1387215;1453935615;pete_dushenski;;;ud basic 1387216;1453935616;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Basic | Basic. An adjective used to describe any person, place, activity involving obscenely obvious behavior, dress, action. Unsophisticated. Transparent motives . 1387217;1453935630;thestringpuller;;;ud basic white girl 1387218;1453935631;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=basic+white+girl | Basic white girl. Starbucks Uggs Lots of selfies. Dog pictures. I love you all over tumblr. Heart emojis. Leggings as pants. Forever 21 iPhone. Straightens hair ... 1387219;1453935656;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: i can't not think of 'basic' without thinking of the seminal 'lohanthony' skit about 'all the basic bitches' etc. 1387220;1453935662;thestringpuller;And not to "date" just to hit it and quit it after a fraternity party or something. 1387221;1453935713;thestringpuller;L0L. That's understandable. Having gone to university with tons of basic white girl clones, they do know how to dress to visual stimulate sexual arousal. But that's about all their good for. 1387222;1453935717;thestringpuller;they're* 1387223;1453935785;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6iBDwspjMU 1387224;1453935786;assbot;Tosh.0 Web Redemption (lohanthony) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1nzdyTE ) 1387225;1453935828;BingoBoingo;Fucking Reddit tries to applied ethics https://archive.is/y34Ti 1387226;1453935830;assbot;Stopping the asshole who constantly takes an offroad shortcut. : pettyrevenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1nzdEdL ) 1387227;1453935893;*;BingoBoingo pretty sure the 'Murican cookie cutter subdivisions are social experiments in the vein of 'vaults' in fallout 1387228;1453935927;thestringpuller;LOLOLOL 1387229;1453935949;thestringpuller;coincidentally in fallout4 you start off in exactly that, a cookie cutter subdivision. 1387230;1453936052;*;BingoBoingo was just commenting on the reddit applied ethics failure. 1387231;1453936514;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387129 << just keeps sargeants from getting fat. wut. 1387232;1453936514;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 19:57:40; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387104 << incidentally the idf has signed its own death certificate; by the time i served, your sergeant had to drop and do the pushups together with you! 1387233;1453936584;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387128 << i swear to god this is the primary reason that 99% of "connected" folks use "password" as a password. "omg i got hacked, now i have something to do and something to talk about!" 1387234;1453936584;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 19:50:29; mircea_popescu: "dear blackmailer - please do! i was dying for attention anyway." 1387235;1453936614;pete_dushenski;"they hacked me! MEEEEE!!!!1" 1387236;1453936615;ben_vulpes;using "password" as a password should be mandatory. 1387237;1453936621;ben_vulpes;"no sig, not me." 1387238;1453936654;pete_dushenski;tell that to jurov for coinbr ;/ 1387239;1453936693;pete_dushenski;and what about your 'sig' ? should its password mandatorily be 'password' too ??! 1387240;1453936696;jurov;coinbr has 2fa, soon mandatory 1387241;1453936715;jurov;ur welcome to make your account public 1387242;1453936749;pete_dushenski;jurov: i don't happen to agree with ben on this point. just poking you ;) 1387243;1453936782;pete_dushenski;i don't happen to think that anything should be 'mandatory' 1387244;1453936800;pete_dushenski;let idiots who want to be idiots get raped for the privilege. nothing wrong with that. 1387245;1453936806;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386995 <<< doesn';t seem like a terribly good idea. if those people wanted to make it public, they would have. if they didn't, there's no standing for random outsider, phd or no phd, to ask for anything. 1387246;1453936806;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 10:41:28; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1386872 < yes it is possible to do that 1387247;1453936890;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387211 << da hell's a basic white girl. 1387248;1453936890;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 22:58:50; thestringpuller: and basic white girls. black gus love basic white girls. 1387249;1453936910;pete_dushenski;who would make a specified password mandatory anyhow ? and if everyone's stuck with the same one, don't you just have usernames left ? 1387250;1453936957;jurov;ben_vulpes: or create a public mpex account, i'm sure that would be something to talk about 1387251;1453936966;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu 'yes it is possible' to rate in private message is what i meant 1387252;1453936974;mircea_popescu;ah ye you and i can also win against world champion with nine stone handicap, quite possibly. << i have. friendly game tho. 1387311;1453939725;mircea_popescu;and looky, they gotta get the shareholders excited. remember how jobs built apple ? 1387312;1453939767;ascii_butugychag;i thought mircea_popescu only played gurlz 1387313;1453939791;pete_dushenski;nah, just things that start with the letter 'g' 1387314;1453939808;mircea_popescu;well there's a lot of championships :D 1387315;1453939828;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-04-2015#1109953 << see also 1387316;1453939828;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2015 22:00:56; mircea_popescu: i... had to leave. 1387317;1453940040;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1387318;1453940427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00055318 = 11.7827 BTC [-] 1387319;1453940994;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nick Saban is the person who has the job all PE teachers and coaches want. 1387320;1453941034;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ANd this is because it turns out public schools really do the tournament market thing with some jobs. 1387321;1453941205;pete_dushenski;did saban start as a hs teacher then ? 1387322;1453941603;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Unsure. He trained for the same job market they did. 1387323;1453941657;BingoBoingo;And occasially yes, HS teachers make the jump from public high school coaching to public university coaching and the long slog of trying to supplant Saban in the job market. 1387324;1453941690;pete_dushenski;!up d_rebel_ 1387325;1453941711;*;thestringpuller imagaines elementary school PE teacher coaching the shit out of some 6 year olds playing football. 1387326;1453941723;deedbot-;[Qntra] Oregon Standoff Supplanted In US Media By Celebrity Drama - http://qntra.net/2016/01/oregon-standoff-supplanted-in-us-media-by-celebrity-drama/ 1387327;1453941740;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: some college coaches rake in more than nfl coaches, neh ? 1387328;1453941764;thestringpuller;Do NFL coaches have salary cap like players? 1387329;1453941788;thestringpuller;nope. they don't have salary cap it seems. 1387330;1453941811;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well there's a lot of NFL/College back and forth on all coaching positions. In the lower levels of the coaching heirarchy high school coaches often make it in. 1387331;1453941861;thestringpuller;prolly why baseball is so skewed. lack of salary cap on players. well capitalized teams always beat out the underdogs, (hence the creation of moneyball) 1387332;1453941915;BingoBoingo;Baseball is great because teams tend to suck at deciding who the player to offer the mega, instead of merely lucrative, contracts to. 1387333;1453941973;thestringpuller;overpaid players underperforming. sounds a lot like CEOs. 1387334;1453942064;BingoBoingo;Or getting injured. 1387335;1453942101;BingoBoingo;Or the particular way they are so much better not really being worth the premium price in the larger scheme of things. 1387336;1453942186;BingoBoingo;And if you get to an especially spendy team that isn't careful about curating their acquisitions like the Dodgers, you get the personality conflicts. 1387337;1453942353;thestringpuller;github is getting ddosed 1387338;1453942379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00055927 = 29.9209 BTC [+] {3} 1387339;1453942429;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: makes sense given what i've heard about the size of the hs market. http://www.businessinsider.com/allen-texas-largest-high-school-football-stadiums-2011-2 << 5yo and still bananas in scale. there are surely bigger venues today. 1387340;1453942430;assbot;10 ginormous high-school stadiums that were bought with tax dollars - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQtOrW ) 1387341;1453942440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0005569 = 10.4697 BTC [-] 1387342;1453942453;guruvan;yah - they're saying they're down on twitter thestringpuller 1387343;1453942466;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, everything is bigger in Texas... except the dicks 1387344;1453942474;trinque;ahem. 1387345;1453942482;BingoBoingo;!b 2 1387346;1453942483;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17R50MT.txt ) 1387347;1453942488;pete_dushenski;anywho, i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio mates! 1387348;1453942578;BingoBoingo;trinque: I'll take that comment back if you can get together a freedom loving militia to liberate the Alamo. I'll need something to write about after Obola goes Janet Reno mass murder in Oregon Waco style. 1387349;1453942637;trinque;lol, I have my doubts about the Alamo's defensibility 1387350;1453942737;BingoBoingo;But its history shows that it is good for amplifying the effect of a defensive force in battle. Santa Anna might not have tried taking it if he had to pay out life insurance... 1387351;1453942747;BingoBoingo;!Up HostFat 1387352;1453943172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88460 @ 0.00056072 = 49.6013 BTC [+] {4} 1387353;1453943262;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/42xa4o/roger_ver_outraged_when_his_friend_eric_posts_on/ 1387354;1453943263;assbot;Roger Ver outraged when his friend Eric posts on r/bitcoin, but accidently admits he reads r/bitcoin instead of his r/btc cesspool. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQv6mS ) 1387355;1453943599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00055649 = 27.4906 BTC [-] {3} 1387356;1453943659;BingoBoingo;;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD 1387357;1453943660;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387358;1453945086;polarbeard;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387356 << actually is polar beard 1387359;1453945086;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 01:14:19; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell polarbeard It is very important that you come clean on whether your name is read PolarBeard or PolarBearD 1387360;1453945113;BingoBoingo;that's the far worse choice 1387361;1453945144;polarbeard;that's why I chose it 1387362;1453945164;BingoBoingo;a daemon for routing polar bears would be far more useful 1387363;1453945174;polarbeard;too much charisma is dangerous 1387364;1453945366;BingoBoingo;Lots of things are dangerous. A value underflow bug in a polar bear routing daemon though would be dangerous in the awesome way. 1387365;1453945422;BingoBoingo;MAXINT-1 polar bears appearing in arbitrary places, etc 1387366;1453945428;polarbeard;buffer underflow is the less exciting I ever heard 1387367;1453945433;polarbeard;*bug 1387368;1453945554;BingoBoingo;exiting depends not on the mechanics of the bug, but on what it does 1387369;1453945619;BingoBoingo;Imagine you're in your basement, about to jack it when suddenly 9223372036854775806 polar bears spawn at you location. Not so less exciting anymore is it? 1387370;1453945785;polarbeard;thanks, now I'm polarbored. 1387371;1453945958;BingoBoingo;And whose failing is that? You could be doing literally anything right now. You could be reading, coding, or playing Natasha Henstridge but instead you are letting yourself be bored. 1387372;1453946028;polarbeard;nice try Natasha. 1387373;1453946234;mod6;ok asciilifeform 1387374;1453946240;mod6;here we got, a few thins 1387375;1453946242;mod6;*things 1387376;1453946249;asciilifeform;hm? 1387377;1453946252;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1387378;1453946259;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 393.28, vol: 4458.55944830 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 394.82, vol: 5628.47803 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 393.44, vol: 8847.27119001 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 396.84616, vol: 29501.99640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 393.79011, vol: 209.50503808 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 400.715199989, vol: 52.67371176 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1387379;1453946263;BingoBoingo;;;more 1387380;1453946264;gribble;395.657700093 1387381;1453946268;mod6;man 1387382;1453946270;mod6;ok. 1387383;1453946302;mod6;so http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html << sig doesnt use the correct nomenclature. 1387384;1453946303;assbot;[BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY ) 1387385;1453946328;mod6;ditto this one: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html 1387386;1453946328;assbot;[BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 ) 1387387;1453946339;asciilifeform;mod6: this one looks like it got mangled 1387388;1453946344;asciilifeform;by the ml 1387389;1453946351;asciilifeform;can rename 1387390;1453946356;mod6;I just noticed this now. And the sig verifies just fine, but yah. mis-named in the email so that threw me off a bit. 1387391;1453946366;mod6;anyway... thats just an fyi 1387392;1453946373;mod6;but moving on to your tinyscheme stuff... 1387393;1453946405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00055657 = 30.1939 BTC [+] {3} 1387394;1453946407;mod6;so yes, if I drop those into my patches dir with a full sync with V [v99997] it does indeed break my seal validation. 1387395;1453946414;asciilifeform;gonna have to rebake these 1387396;1453946419;asciilifeform;as i suspected 1387397;1453946427;mod6;and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex. 1387398;1453946442;mod6;i have fixed it in my forthcoming v99996, and this shouldn't be a problem any more. 1387399;1453946466;mod6;however, yeah, as you noted, your patches dont press out probably quite right because of the timestamps 1387400;1453946472;mod6;but I have this for you to review: 1387401;1453946482;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3ZRTB23.txt 1387402;1453946483;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGtLjC ) 1387403;1453946501;asciilifeform;ick 1387404;1453946505;asciilifeform;much barf 1387405;1453946531;mod6;but, the good news is, other than those little hiccups, i think it would have been fine. 1387406;1453946604;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387144 >>>>>> ask and thou shall receive: http://imgur.com/a/TEptA 1387407;1453946604;assbot;Logged on 27-01-2016 20:23:36; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag put a pic up ? 1387408;1453946605;assbot;ads from volkicher beobachter - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGu0vb ) 1387409;1453946605;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387410;1453946623;mod6;so im highly tempted to actually just rename the seal files in the mirror for Programmable Version Strings and the Malleus Mikehearnificarum, but will resist. you should probably just re-post as annoying as that may seem. 1387411;1453946640;asciilifeform;mod6: just these ? 1387412;1453946650;asciilifeform;iirc there were many other mangled names 1387413;1453946651;mod6;it's just those two sig files ya. 1387414;1453946684;mod6;there are mangled names in just about every email for se 1387415;1453946697;mod6;here's what I had to do to each: 1387416;1453946697;mod6;mv asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig 1387417;1453946705;mod6;mv asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig 1387418;1453946740;mod6;fromthe emails: 1387419;1453946741;mod6;Name: asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.sig 1387420;1453946759;asciilifeform;ah hm 1387421;1453946760;asciilifeform;1sec 1387422;1453946761;mod6;Name: asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.sig 1387423;1453946778;mod6;yup np. all of your others have been 100% accurate. 1387424;1453946914;asciilifeform;ok latest 2 should work 1387425;1453946923;asciilifeform;(i assume this is being eaten by a script somewhere..) 1387426;1453947066;asciilifeform;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000195.html but other one got eaten for some reason 1387427;1453947067;assbot;[BTC-dev] (repost for mod6) Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTUaHd ) 1387428;1453947091;*;mod6 looks 1387429;1453947092;asciilifeform;OH FOR FUCKS SAKE turdatron WON'T ACCEPT the naming convention 1387430;1453947103;asciilifeform;i am ~very~ tired of this. 1387431;1453947115;mod6;yeah, you're right. it hosed it. 1387432;1453947131;mod6;thought it was just a oversight or something. 1387433;1453947501;mod6;changing the signature file name doesn't actually change the signature - but i was just hoping to get 'em both in the ML for posterity 1387434;1453947518;mod6;maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals 1387435;1453947519;assbot;Index of /v/seals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGvLbu ) 1387436;1453947808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29584 @ 0.00055963 = 16.5561 BTC [+] {2} 1387437;1453947948;mod6;well, we've got a well-named sig for malleus 1387438;1453947967;mod6;you wanna roll the dice and see if you can get one through for PVS that isn't mangled? or should we wait for jurov? 1387439;1453947985;mod6;in the mean time i'll update the mirror with the good sig from malleus 1387440;1453948027;mod6;haha, it's like trying to get one through the golies legs. 1387441;1453948033;mod6;*goalies 1387442;1453948550;jurov;waitwhat 1387443;1453948641;jurov;asciilifeform: did you submit the same clearsigned text twice? 1387444;1453948718;jurov;if so, it was eaten as antispam protection (to prevent someone taking any existing clearsigned doc and repeatedly sending it $maxint times) 1387445;1453948752;jurov;when reposting, you must change the text and clearsign again 1387446;1453948845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00055413 = 58.6824 BTC [-] {4} 1387447;1453948896;jurov;i'm fully aware it's infuriating but i don't see a way how to prevent repeated posting of stuff that changes only by unsigned data (like, attachment names) 1387448;1453949080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387397 << unintentional fuzzing ftw. 1387449;1453949080;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 02:00:27; mod6: and its because of one line that i'm not being strict enough with my regex. 1387450;1453949174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude looks so out of place in the desert the only thing that conjures up is "nigga gettin' killed". 1387451;1453949218;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387434 << this is not so hot, we'll end up carrying water by hand for a few feet ? 1387452;1453949218;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 02:18:38; mod6: maybe i should just fix the names in the V Mirror @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals 1387453;1453949577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123079 @ 0.00055373 = 68.1525 BTC [-] {2} 1387454;1453949882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055052 = 26.0396 BTC [-] 1387455;1453950274;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, im more inclined to just wait until a new sig, properly named is sent. 1387456;1453950306;mod6;jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names. 1387457;1453950325;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html 1387458;1453950326;assbot;[BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY ) 1387459;1453950327;mod6;and 1387460;1453950343;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html 1387461;1453950343;assbot;[BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 ) 1387462;1453950365;mod6;they should have signatures that are named as follows: 1387463;1453950366;mod6;asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig 1387464;1453950372;mod6;asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig 1387465;1453950401;mod6;but these didn't come through like that. it's missing the 'asciilifeform' between 'vpatch' and 'sig'. 1387466;1453950432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00055323 = 11.0923 BTC [+] {2} 1387467;1453950444;mod6;im not sure what happend just now with the re-submits that alf did, one made it through ok, the other did not. 1387468;1453950482;mod6;and again, i have no way of telling if they were named correctly in the first place or it was the ML. but... its certainly something that should be in a log file or something, you may wanna have a look. 1387469;1453950615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40728 @ 0.00056087 = 22.8431 BTC [+] {4} 1387470;1453950675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52472 @ 0.00056555 = 29.6755 BTC [+] 1387471;1453950678;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/37f673f75257029ea06509a30f710ac1/tumblr_nzhbkekKU81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg 1387472;1453950678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL064 ) 1387473;1453950705;mod6;dang 1387474;1453950756;mircea_popescu;and with friends http://41.media.tumblr.com/5ac2902571136364f43b292f72144eea/tumblr_nzbp6dcxXh1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg 1387475;1453950757;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEL8Tj ) 1387476;1453950834;mod6;man. 1387477;1453951529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105199 @ 0.00054954 = 57.8111 BTC [-] {5} 1387478;1453951586;funkenstein_;greetings logaholics 1387479;1453951626;funkenstein_;i came across some light reading which might be enjoyed by Orlovians http://www.feasta.org/2012/06/17/trade-off-financial-system-supply-chain-cross-contagion-a-study-in-global-systemic-collapse/ 1387480;1453951629;assbot;Trade Off: Financial system supply-chain cross contagion – a study in global systemic collapse | Feasta ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHp2m ) 1387481;1453951745;funkenstein_;anyway looking forward to banging my head against the wall figuring out what shiva is supposed to do 1387482;1453951848;mircea_popescu;introducing, the real shiva : http://40.media.tumblr.com/71bfe7901e25aceeaff35548acc7d8f8/tumblr_nv38fkJkSv1uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg 1387483;1453951849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQHIdA ) 1387484;1453951852;mircea_popescu;please to bang against wall. 1387485;1453951904;mircea_popescu;who has persian rugs in the bathroom ? romanians, that's who! 1387486;1453952343;asciilifeform;mod6: i sent the first 'resend' by mistake with the old files. then again with new, but this was eaten. 1387487;1453952370;mod6;ah. 1387488;1453952373;mod6;ok 1387489;1453953420;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00055375 = 31.2038 BTC [+] {2} 1387490;1453953969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72694 @ 0.00054859 = 39.8792 BTC [-] {4} 1387491;1453954399;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b81 1387492;1453954640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.00649981 = 1.495 BTC [-] {3} 1387493;1453954641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57250 @ 0.00054783 = 31.3633 BTC [-] 1387494;1453954701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94306 @ 0.00054783 = 51.6637 BTC [-] 1387495;1453955006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51596 @ 0.00055702 = 28.74 BTC [+] {2} 1387496;1453955032;BingoBoingo;Ah, 10 BTC was still not enough to make Trump the BitBet favorite nominee over Rubio. 1387497;1453955039;mircea_popescu;lol! 1387498;1453956238;BingoBoingo;And we all of course know that the BitBet favorite is still the real favorite in spite of all protests to the contrary 1387499;1453957335;BingoBoingo;;;nethash 1387500;1453957336;gribble;949537783.966 1387501;1453958368;danielpbarron;i think Paul's gonna have a comeback now that trump free'd up a spot in the debate for him 1387502;1453958422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00055707 = 6.3506 BTC [+] {2} 1387503;1453959331;mats;there is an interesting opportunity here for folks to analyze bitbet outcomes to date 1387504;1453959544;mats;and on the subject of bitbet, third party audit of reserves isn't coming back, huh 1387505;1453959691;mircea_popescu;on and off. 1387506;1453959699;mircea_popescu;wasn't ever intended to be a permanent thing. 1387507;1453959867;mats;great for bragging rights -- 'provable, double reverse fractional reserve' 1387508;1453959957;mircea_popescu;lol 1387509;1453959999;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related news, http://adevarul.ro/news/bucuresti/ziua-pantaloni-metrou-fost-sarbatorita-zece-oameni-eveniment-participat-singura-fata-1_5692862b37115986c657a86e/index.html << ro hipsters wanna-be no pants day, nine dudes and a ditzy cow show up in short pants in the subway. the few who don't ignore lol. 1387510;1453960000;assbot;FOTO VIDEO Ziua fără pantaloni la metrou a fost sărbătorită de zece oameni. La eveniment a participat o singură fată | adevarul.ro ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGrJ5x ) 1387511;1453960252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00055708 = 26.3499 BTC [+] {2} 1387512;1453961214;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo batter up ! http://dpaste.com/20MDFFH.txt 1387513;1453961215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qu1KLq ) 1387514;1453961215;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387515;1453961226;BingoBoingo;ty 1387516;1453961309;BingoBoingo;Sweet, someone else claiming the 4 word "sorry for your loss" 1387517;1453961346;pete_dushenski;'sfyl' should almost be in the style guide 1387518;1453961394;BingoBoingo;It's jsut a temporary thing happening while fiat dies 1387519;1453961424;pete_dushenski;this 'temporary' thing is older than we are ;/ 1387520;1453961468;BingoBoingo;Not much though. 1387521;1453961509;pete_dushenski;gold window closed in what, 71 ? 1387522;1453961533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45947 @ 0.00055708 = 25.5962 BTC [+] 1387523;1453961600;BingoBoingo;Eh, details 1387524;1453961633;deedbot-;[Qntra] Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins - http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/ 1387525;1453961716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104100 @ 0.00055799 = 58.0868 BTC [+] {5} 1387526;1453961736;pete_dushenski;in related currency news, i'm thinking that a stop in poland (after a stop in amsterdam) is a more cost-effective european destination than germany this summer. fuck this cad-eur rate, i'll take the eur-pln even if it means a plane instead of a train. 1387527;1453961757;pete_dushenski;also, fuck aeroplan and its worthless goddam points. 1387528;1453961775;BingoBoingo;Also less chance of rapefugee encounters 1387529;1453961806;pete_dushenski;"no one could've predicted 100x inflation after we gave everyone a million free sign-up miles and a million more every time they filled up with gas!" 1387530;1453961820;pete_dushenski;also, horrendous routings. 1387531;1453961921;pete_dushenski;klm has direct yeg-ams flights now. so. cool. and a big loss for air canada. (and even iceland air, who recently opened up routes to europe through rjekjavik instead of toronto or london, which was a big deal until this new klm route stole its thunder) 1387532;1453961953;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: funny, i was looking at cologne too ! 1387533;1453961979;BingoBoingo;Can't take the child there. They are already being targeted in Sweden for being defenseless. 1387534;1453961981;pete_dushenski;having been to the other major centres in germany, it's time for the second-tier. 1387535;1453962219;pete_dushenski;speaking of germany, i was actually just looking at this leather belt i bought in berlin last time (ok, the only time) i was there, found myself admiring it (it's defo my fave), noticed that the shop's url was stamped on the inside of the belt, realised that i actually need a new black leather belt, and so ordered one from the same shop... only to be assraped by the woeful cad-eur and shipping costs. alas, there 1387536;1453962219;pete_dushenski;'s nothing quite like a hoffnung berlin belt and i can't delay ~all~ gratification forever. 1387537;1453962295;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: monsieur pantagruel can fend for himself. hell, he can defend me too ! 1387538;1453962313;pete_dushenski;this is actually my plan in case he ends up 'simple' : bodyguard 1387539;1453962343;BingoBoingo;Ah. 1387540;1453962438;danielpbarron;>> This is a strange label when you consider than all personal computers << consider *that ? 1387541;1453962450;pete_dushenski;ayup. 1387542;1453962547;BingoBoingo;fxd 1387543;1453962558;pete_dushenski;thx 1387544;1453962605;danielpbarron;>> of total revenueFacebook reaches new << not sure here 1387545;1453962630;danielpbarron;>> kicks into high gea in that period << *gear 1387546;1453962631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70250 @ 0.00055813 = 39.2086 BTC [+] {2} 1387547;1453962767;pete_dushenski;^ BingoBoingo 1387548;1453962808;pete_dushenski;that whole weird sentence just appeared in bb's edit 1387549;1453962823;BingoBoingo;fxd 1387550;1453962865;pete_dushenski;not quite, "Facebook reaches new highs as laundry machine kicks into high gear" should be removed entirely 1387551;1453962907;pete_dushenski;this was my suggested title, not content ;/ 1387552;1453963048;BingoBoingo;fxd 1387553;1453963150;pete_dushenski;gratzi 1387554;1453963398;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1387555;1453963405;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2533.01, vol: 38366.80770000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2533.01 1387556;1453963790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00055404 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {2} 1387557;1453964339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6170 @ 0.00055843 = 3.4455 BTC [+] {2} 1387558;1453964587;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Because there’s no end to anything. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/because-theres-no-end-to-anything/ 1387559;1453964716;*;pete_dushenski to slumber and dream, hopefully not for the last time. 1387560;1453964888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13446 @ 0.00055404 = 7.4496 BTC [-] 1387561;1453965376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35380 @ 0.00056393 = 19.9518 BTC [+] {4} 1387562;1453967511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00055905 = 18.1412 BTC [-] {2} 1387563;1453967755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00055404 = 22.0508 BTC [-] {2} 1387564;1453970317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24537 @ 0.00055628 = 13.6494 BTC [+] {2} 1387565;1453972208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00055909 = 13.0268 BTC [+] {3} 1387566;1453973306;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00055709 = 5.4873 BTC [-] {2} 1387567;1453973733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65828 @ 0.00055793 = 36.7274 BTC [+] {3} 1387568;1453974160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9976 @ 0.00055944 = 5.581 BTC [+] {2} 1387569;1453974343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00055691 = 22.8612 BTC [-] {4} 1387570;1453975258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189535 @ 0.0005546 = 105.1161 BTC [-] {7} 1387571;1453977088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00055252 = 24.1175 BTC [-] {3} 1387572;1453977637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79309 @ 0.00055154 = 43.7421 BTC [-] {4} 1387573;1453977698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00054773 = 1.2444 BTC [-] 1387574;1453978064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7114 @ 0.00054773 = 3.8966 BTC [-] {2} 1387575;1453978202;punkman;https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income 1387576;1453978203;assbot;Basic Income - Y Combinator Posthaven ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZUWkvE ) 1387577;1453978552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30286 @ 0.00054628 = 16.5446 BTC [-] 1387578;1453978674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00054613 = 16.8208 BTC [-] {3} 1387579;1453979833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72207 @ 0.00054633 = 39.4489 BTC [+] 1387580;1453981602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00054788 = 24.5998 BTC [+] {2} 1387581;1453982944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30885 @ 0.00055142 = 17.0306 BTC [+] {2} 1387582;1453984469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55108 @ 0.00055102 = 30.3656 BTC [-] {2} 1387583;1453984597;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-future-is-blivets.html << mega-orl0l 1387584;1453984598;assbot;ClubOrlov: The Future is Blivets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SLTh9N ) 1387585;1453984631;asciilifeform;'A similar problem exists with the biggest futures market in the world: in crude oil. Here, traders have been having a merry old time taking advantage of a notional glut, driving the price of crude lower and lower. They could drive it as low as $1 a barrel, but then what? The problem is, nobody on earth can produce oil that cheaply, and so a day will come when somebody will demand delivery on their $1/bbl crude contract, and t 1387586;1453984632;asciilifeform;he only response will be an echo, as tumbleweeds blow across the abandoned oil fields.' 1387587;1453984713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20146 @ 0.00055561 = 11.1933 BTC [+] {3} 1387588;1453985064;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387575 << everybody burning with desire to be warehoused with the lumpens, raise yer handz! 1387589;1453985064;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 10:50:02; punkman: https://blog.ycombinator.com/basic-income 1387590;1453985140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00055789 = 5.4952 BTC [+] 1387591;1453985210;asciilifeform;i do wonder, do the 'basic income' folks simply not understand the hierarchical role of money? or think that it can be magicked away? or do not, but lie about it ? 1387592;1453985262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8451 @ 0.00055789 = 4.7147 BTC [+] 1387593;1453985435;mircea_popescu;quite blivets. 1387594;1453985480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they do not WISH for there to be a hierarchy. 1387595;1453985499;mircea_popescu;and they WISH for what they wish to matter above and beyond anything else. 1387596;1453985500;asciilifeform;wake me up when basic roquefort, basic country house, and basic electron microscope. 1387597;1453985502;mircea_popescu;ergo.. 1387598;1453985519;mircea_popescu;there is "basic roquefort" right here, in the future-usa that is argentina. 1387599;1453985520;asciilifeform;until then i'll slowly kill myself working like the other working folk 1387600;1453985534;mircea_popescu;it's god-awful. and they "pretend" to not know in the sense they're too fucking stupid to figure it out. 1387601;1453985569;asciilifeform;aha i recall that one. but i don't think anybody is thinking of ~it~ when he wants 'basic...' 1387602;1453985589;polarbeard;I'm a 'basic income' supporter, the earlier the govs default the better 1387603;1453985613;mircea_popescu;see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358565 1387604;1453985613;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 02:11:16; lobito: i can name you many 1387605;1453985622;mircea_popescu;ax 1387606;1453985626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform define "anyone". 1387607;1453985698;mircea_popescu;what, does anyone know or does anyone not know that they're currently not getting anything even remotely like a college education, for more money than charles tried to raise but got instead a civil war ? 1387608;1453985702;asciilifeform;anyone who bothered to think for five minutes. and yes, 'basic money' appealed to me as a student, because 'what can it possibly cost to feed maxint folks like me, almost nothing' but this is a classic partial differentiation mistake 1387609;1453985715;asciilifeform;(ignores the turkey-rationing aspect) 1387610;1453985726;mircea_popescu;(ftr, for they innocent of history - the entire cromwell debacle originally started with disputes over whether charles can or can't ask for a few measly thousand pounds in tax) 1387611;1453985732;asciilifeform;aha i recall 1387612;1453985763;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has a point in that i have no idea how many 'anyones' are even left. 1387613;1453985769;asciilifeform;endangered species. 1387614;1453985777;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a fucking reason "basic money" appears to basic kids. that's why they basically have parents! 1387615;1453985801;mircea_popescu;appeals* check me out im turning chinese 1387616;1453985811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00055781 = 21.0015 BTC [-] 1387617;1453985819;asciilifeform;engrish as she is sp0k3n 1387618;1453985826;mircea_popescu;she cow pig had kittens! 1387619;1453985849;asciilifeform;l0l! 1387620;1453985894;mircea_popescu;wow check it out, apparently that's not on the internet ?! OMG THE WHOLE KNOWNOLEDGE OF HU THE MANITEE AT MY FINGERTIPS!!1 1387621;1453985936;mircea_popescu;so hu the manatee says : in chinese pigdin, english vocabulary is used to cover chinese grammar. consequently she the cow of a pig, ie a sow, had kittens ie young ones ie pigglets. 1387622;1453985994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63376 @ 0.00055789 = 35.3568 BTC [+] {2} 1387623;1453985999;asciilifeform;this was actually pretty clear from first parse 1387624;1453986003;asciilifeform;interestingly 1387625;1453986016;mircea_popescu;sign of being a sociopath1 1387626;1453986055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16783 @ 0.00055915 = 9.3842 BTC [+] 1387627;1453986127;mircea_popescu;in other pigglet news, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2a/3b/5b/2a3b5be53b1fec8a511cb43f55652e33.jpg 1387628;1453986128;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCQTu2 ) 1387629;1453986486;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vCMiYSeIVXs/VKraB3G2bdI/AAAAAAAAF3c/NUCXGf_1zI0/s1600/QuidnonHeaderTHUMB.png << where the fuck does he find all the patently obvious, dastardly inept snake oil to decorate his blog with ? 1387630;1453986486;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkWquM ) 1387631;1453986506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he actually builds those ! 1387632;1453986512;mircea_popescu;dude... 1387633;1453986518;asciilifeform;that thing is, or purports to be, his new boat. 1387634;1453986526;mircea_popescu;only someone who has never sailed in his life would describe that abomination as a boat. 1387635;1453986542;asciilifeform;he has whole book on why folks should accept it as boat. 1387636;1453986548;asciilifeform;i have not read it, can't bring myself to. 1387637;1453986562;mircea_popescu;this is inland iobag ineptitude on the scale of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/ 1387638;1453986563;assbot;Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdE3sU ) 1387639;1453986563;asciilifeform;and pretty much all of the comments say exactly what mircea_popescu said. 1387640;1453986571;mircea_popescu;heh. 1387641;1453986599;mircea_popescu;it's not merely just bad. it specifically looks like the fundamentally broken vision of one who does not understand the topic. like that fixed jesus image. 1387642;1453986622;asciilifeform;except that i get same comments on my computing bl0g 1387643;1453986625;asciilifeform;for same reason 1387644;1453986629;mircea_popescu;to be specific : any item, no matter what sort of item, as long as it exists in some sort of context, no matter the context, has some parts drawn under the pressure of that context. 1387645;1453986641;asciilifeform;mr o is a sea crackpot. he knows how x, y, z, are done, and ~disagrees~ 1387646;1453986652;mircea_popescu;it is the characteristic macula of the idiots unaware of the context to stick all the stuff they want in all the spots they don't understand 1387647;1453986670;mircea_popescu;this changes the shape of the item in question, from what you'd expect based on the context, to what best fits their own ignorance. 1387648;1453986679;asciilifeform;'shit sticking off the side!111' 1387649;1453986686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a difference between this and that. 1387650;1453986697;mircea_popescu;he doesn't disagree. he doesn't know. to disagree you must first understand. 1387651;1453986733;mircea_popescu;see, my reaction isn't "this doesn't look like what i'm used to see". my reaction is "this looks specifically like what someone'd make that has no idea". 1387652;1453986810;asciilifeform;btw mr o has been weathering flames by 'deep sea vessel MUST have a keel' folks for many years 1387653;1453986829;mircea_popescu;that is merely a poor expression of the problem, 1387654;1453986831;asciilifeform;he always answers 'fuck you, folding keel, beachable boat suxxx' 1387655;1453986849;mircea_popescu;because many folks don't have the ability to express nonsense at the right level, and the few who do don't have the time or patience to deal with random blogspot nuts. 1387656;1453986850;asciilifeform;(rather, unbeachable) 1387657;1453986865;asciilifeform;now this may be. 1387658;1453986891;mircea_popescu;the "it must have keel" objection is akin to protesting spina bifida on the terms of "mammals must have an atlas bone". 1387659;1453986892;asciilifeform;at any rate, eventually he will finish gluing that thing together and move into it, if passes poseidon's exam, may be worth reading 1387660;1453986895;asciilifeform;otherwise snore 1387661;1453986901;mircea_popescu;"no they don't! horses don't even have collarbones and they're mammals!!1" 1387662;1453986928;mircea_popescu;this is, incidentally, how snake oilism survives and perpetuates. negotiating and exploiting the general inability to form objections properly. 1387663;1453986997;mircea_popescu;really should be taught in highschool. "Objectivism - a class on how to object. It's mandatory unless you figure out how to get yourself out of it." 1387664;1453987021;asciilifeform;l0l, sadly it got namesquatted 1387665;1453987032;mircea_popescu;i regard my principal education in college being this. 1387666;1453987042;mircea_popescu;meh i mean highschool. 1387667;1453987173;mircea_popescu;anyway, his discussion of oil is pretty much afield. for one thing, inventories are way the fuck up (tho i don't expect he has an inkling of a clue as to how to look it up, and besides - so much easier to pronounce stupid shit), and deliveries are actually stalled by the buyers! 1387668;1453987195;mircea_popescu;you want to take possession of a billion or so barrels, amoco is more than happy to cool you off, get in touch. 1387669;1453987227;asciilifeform;per my reading, he was arguing in favour of 'giant sits down on small stool' thing 1387670;1453987229;mircea_popescu;"I am not kidding. I wrote the book on that." 1387671;1453987234;asciilifeform;where yes, billion barrels today, 0 tomorrow 1387672;1453987238;mircea_popescu;dude why the fuck am i even reading this. pfff. 1387673;1453987253;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the problem is consumption fell off a cliff. 1387674;1453987272;asciilifeform;as mr o predicted in '08 aha 1387675;1453987318;mircea_popescu;it's a combination of multisecular trends. one is a hate of plastics, that has been brewing for at least five decades. the other is a hate of self, that;s been brewing since ww2, and that expresses itself variously, but for instance in current "carbon"-ecology. 1387676;1453987336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00055915 = 34.3598 BTC [+] 1387677;1453987344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude predicted NOTHING to date. not a single thing. the shit he "predicts" is generally 3rd hand restatement of stuff first restated in the 70s. 1387678;1453987361;asciilifeform;afaik none of the ideas are original to him, no 1387679;1453987383;asciilifeform;but he was my introduction to the subject of 'petrocollapse will involve ludicrously cheap oil' 1387680;1453987386;mircea_popescu;but whatever, "the internet contains all human knowledge" and consequently all the discussion re oil economy post the arab shock never happened, 1387681;1453987397;mircea_popescu;because it's in books and shit. jeez. mom wasn't even taking it in the ass back then! 1387682;1453987508;*;asciilifeform bbl 1387683;1453988495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70667 @ 0.00055915 = 39.5135 BTC [+] 1387684;1453988573;mircea_popescu;speaking of self hate, here's a splendid illustration : https://www.literotica.com/s/the-good-guy-always-loses-ch-01 1387685;1453988574;assbot;The Good Guy Always Loses Ch. 01 - NonConsent/Reluctance - Literotica.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcQrYD ) 1387686;1453988609;mircea_popescu;the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too. 1387687;1453988620;mircea_popescu;angloconsumption. 1387688;1453988879;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern 1387689;1453988879;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 03:05:06; mod6: jurov: the original emails -- either asciilifeform named them incorrectly or the email server munged the names. 1387690;1453988943;jurov;even when it will check for v candidates, it will *not filter*. except for spammy duplicates. 1387691;1453989006;jurov;or was there a recent case the names in email are different from archives? 1387692;1453989124;shinohai;;;later tell danielpbarron searched for eulora pass, still no luck I'll get with ya when I get an account sorted. 1387693;1453989125;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387694;1453989532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41003 @ 0.00056069 = 22.99 BTC [+] {3} 1387695;1453989594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.0005578 = 20.025 BTC [-] {2} 1387696;1453990569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87963 @ 0.00055565 = 48.8766 BTC [+] 1387697;1453990752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4740 @ 0.00055565 = 2.6338 BTC [+] 1387698;1453990853;mircea_popescu;shinohai what is this destroying pws business! 1387699;1453991911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67027 @ 0.00056073 = 37.584 BTC [+] {2} 1387700;1453991972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11501 @ 0.00056074 = 6.4491 BTC [+] 1387701;1453992460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00056074 = 13.5699 BTC [+] 1387702;1453993314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055818 = 12.9498 BTC [-] {2} 1387703;1453993985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135007 @ 0.00056193 = 75.8645 BTC [+] {2} 1387704;1453994175;mod6;asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz 1387705;1453994188;mod6;thanks in advance. 1387706;1453994275;thestringpuller;is the version string patch going into the newest release? 1387707;1453994351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005554 = 21.4384 BTC [-] {3} 1387708;1453994563;mod6;i think it will, as long as I can get it tested. i haven't played with that one at all, other than compiling and running with it -- gives a version of 99999 by default. 1387709;1453994610;mod6;shinohai tried to play with the command line flags but had some trouble. this isn't resolved yet. i was going to try those out myself, but I have had other fish to fry first. 1387710;1453994662;thestringpuller;once I'm up to sync, i'll patch that in and restart the node 1387711;1453994885;mod6;k 1387712;1453994994;thestringpuller;;;ticker --markets all 1387713;1453994995;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make (1 more message) 1387714;1453994999;thestringpuller;;;ticker --market all 1387715;1453995008;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.3, vol: 10815.86675241 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 385.358, vol: 5888.82959 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.82, vol: 22401.78461278 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.99, vol: 0.067 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.951758, vol: 39396.81020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 386.83, vol: 318.61664333 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.299, vol: 130.56197188 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1387716;1453995012;thestringpuller;;;more 1387717;1453995013;gribble;385.025035757 1387718;1453995083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00055399 = 7.4706 BTC [-] {2} 1387719;1453995572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34760 @ 0.00055399 = 19.2567 BTC [-] {2} 1387720;1453997057;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1387721;1453997431;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387704 << will do 1387722;1453997431;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 15:16:15; mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance tonight or whatever, try to send through a correctly named sig for: 'asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch' plz 1387723;1453997450;ascii_butugychag;mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished. 1387724;1453997503;ascii_butugychag;without a trace. 1387725;1453997656;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387688 << so where did it go... 1387726;1453997656;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 13:47:59; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387456 << nope. it currently does not munge (except for unsavory chars filter, which is not the case) nor check filenames against any pattern 1387727;1453997692;ascii_butugychag;perhaps turdatron ought to be an ftp 1387728;1453997695;ascii_butugychag;email suxx 1387729;1453997752;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387686 << the appearance of 'despondent turds' doesn't sink empires though, it is quite the reverse 1387730;1453997752;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 13:43:29; mircea_popescu: the trend is definitely unamerican, in fact it may well have been what produced despondent turds a la orwell and overall sunk the british empire, too. 1387731;1453997767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99150 @ 0.00054863 = 54.3967 BTC [-] {4} 1387732;1453998072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17708 @ 0.00055167 = 9.769 BTC [+] 1387733;1453998253;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: So never send you an email? (Guess no need since always on IRC) 1387734;1453998377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33198 @ 0.00055274 = 18.3499 BTC [+] 1387735;1453998438;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: i fucking hate email. 1387736;1453998469;thestringpuller;!s from:ascii* email 1387737;1453998470;assbot;68 results for 'from:ascii* email' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii%2A+email 1387738;1453998477;thestringpuller;i guess I'll go through that to find out why. 1387739;1453998490;ascii_butugychag;nah just go through the turdatron nonsense 1387740;1453998512;ascii_butugychag;it wouldn't surprise me if it has taken up more log space to date than the entire sum of payloads in turdatron. 1387741;1453998583;mircea_popescu;there isn't really a good way to do this is there. 1387742;1453998589;mircea_popescu;email sucks, ftp is no better, wtf. 1387743;1453998606;ascii_butugychag;sure as fuck better 1387744;1453998610;ascii_butugychag;doesn't mutilate payloads. 1387745;1453998619;mircea_popescu;yeah but security black hole. 1387746;1453998633;ascii_butugychag;just turdatron on other end. 1387747;1453998635;ascii_butugychag;what black hole. 1387748;1453998640;ascii_butugychag;upload-only, 1 file at a time. 1387749;1453998689;thestringpuller;at that rate you might as well just make http server similar to mpex and accept file payloard there that are signed 1387750;1453998692;thestringpuller;discard the rest 1387751;1453998719;thestringpuller;can't imagine 1mb vpatch that "fits in head" 1387752;1453998752;ascii_butugychag;the only vpatches that have any business exceeding a few dozen kB are genesis loads 1387753;1453998873;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1387754;1453998941;mircea_popescu;could work as www form... possibly better than mail. 1387755;1453998999;mircea_popescu;but in other boobs, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d75460c80e3c08c2752b6156896cb6a8/tumblr_nv37f6rKc81uqlm9xo1_1280.jpg 1387756;1453999000;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZW0d3u ) 1387757;1453999902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80400 @ 0.0005555 = 44.6622 BTC [+] {2} 1387758;1454001244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45666 @ 0.00055136 = 25.1784 BTC [-] {4} 1387759;1454001305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93484 @ 0.00054615 = 51.0563 BTC [-] {2} 1387760;1454003867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00054607 = 19.3855 BTC [-] {2} 1387761;1454004233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44317 @ 0.00054588 = 24.1918 BTC [-] {3} 1387762;1454004538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75200 @ 0.00054585 = 41.0479 BTC [-] {2} 1387763;1454005645;ben_vulpes;woke up to this: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc \nstd::bad_alloc \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n" 1387764;1454005657;ben_vulpes;reference impl appears to still be running 1387765;1454005664;ben_vulpes;will dig through logs later 1387766;1454005694;ben_vulpes;hey! 1387767;1454005700;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: those aren't boobs. 1387768;1454006429;thestringpuller;I love how mircea_popescu is always mentioned in the slack logs for bitcoin core. The irony being that he doesn't pay them any attention. 1387769;1454006467;jurov;ascii_butugychag: i'll try to explain third time: if you sent same clearsigned message second time, it discarded it 1387770;1454006474;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1387771;1454006526;ascii_butugychag;jurov: aha! ok i get it 1387772;1454006535;ascii_butugychag;but that does mean that it is quite impossible for me to do what mod6 asked for. 1387773;1454006542;ascii_butugychag;ben_vulpes: you are getting oom'd 1387774;1454006551;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: wai wut, what logs 1387775;1454006573;jurov;not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok 1387776;1454006623;ascii_butugychag;hm, then will try it again tonight 1387777;1454006626;ben_vulpes;interesting, ascii_butugychag, getting oom'd doesn't result in an immediate process kill? 1387778;1454006657;mats;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/27/the-admiral-in-charge-of-navy-intelligence-has-not-been-allowed-to-see-military-secrets-for-years 1387779;1454006658;assbot;The admiral in charge of Navy intelligence has not been allowed to see military secrets for years - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1nRGYvV ) 1387780;1454006665;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: I'll post them for amusement in a bit. 1387781;1454007283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.0005571 = 24.4845 BTC [+] {2} 1387782;1454007532;thestringpuller;!up ascii_butugychag 1387783;1454007547;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: http://dpaste.com/3FE9VDV.txt 1387784;1454007557;thestringpuller;contains such l0lz as: 1387785;1454007565;thestringpuller;coinoperated-rob: MP is a major handicap for Bitcoin. He's like unremovable training wheels, necessary early on, but now they just get in the way and make it look ridiculous 1387786;1454007594;ascii_butugychag;l0l!! 1387787;1454007628;thestringpuller;and: 1387788;1454007631;thestringpuller;bitsko: This brand of Mircea type misanthropy and elitism is pretty funky, luckily the garbage is hot enough that most people keep it in a pile downwind usually. 1387789;1454007830;ascii_butugychag;!s rat poison still works 1387790;1454007830;assbot;3 results for 'rat poison still works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rat+poison+still+works 1387791;1454008348;mircea_popescu; not impossible, if you change the clearsigned text, it's ok << put a tab instead of space somewhere :D 1387792;1454008366;jurov;hahaha exactly NOT that 1387793;1454008385;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller who the fuck are these schmucks again ? 1387794;1454008388;jurov;it uses sha-1 of gpg --decrypt to spot duplicates 1387795;1454008430;jurov;(and gpg --decrypt converts all spaces/newlines to cannonical representation) 1387796;1454008480;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Exactly my point. They are talking about you and, "Who the fuck are these people?" 1387797;1454008507;mircea_popescu;i dunno, sounds like typical vc spew. "oh these powers that be, preventing us from ruining this thing!!1" 1387798;1454008556;thestringpuller;More of the: "We need mass adoption!!!!!1" spew. 1387799;1454008598;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> mod6: i actually re-sent a correct one last night, it vanished. << oh the entire message was snarfed? 1387800;1454008602;mircea_popescu;in other news, stockings! http://41.media.tumblr.com/89a6179d6b11a6c5b0d19fe5b33fbf30/tumblr_nufo9hpHOq1uew6mbo1_1280.jpg 1387801;1454008604;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIB7FF ) 1387802;1454008680;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> hm, then will try it again tonight << ok cool. got it. 1387803;1454008722;jurov;mod6 read my explanation, doi you understand it? 1387804;1454008758;jurov;and everyone else, if you want to resend something, *change the text* and re-clearsign 1387805;1454008936;mod6;ya, i got it. 1387806;1454009146;BingoBoingo;In other derp gavin comes prematurely again https://archive.is/w5VHA 1387807;1454009147;assbot;bips/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki at 92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099 · gavinandresen/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0ld3U ) 1387808;1454009161;BingoBoingo;Still sticking with 75% vote 1387809;1454009235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00055711 = 30.5575 BTC [+] 1387810;1454009439;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1387811;1454009590;jurov;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pssst-your-pgp-is-leaking uuuu what a fud 1387812;1454009591;assbot;Pssst, Your PGP Is Leaking | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PIDDf5 ) 1387813;1454009599;jurov;“PGP is the NSA's friend,” Weaver added. 1387814;1454009618;shinohai;dafuq 1387815;1454009723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00055713 = 17.7279 BTC [+] {2} 1387816;1454009779;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Did you give me a post with a number off by a factor of 1000? http://qntra.net/2016/01/facebook-reaches-new-highs-as-money-laundry-spins/#comment-43691 1387817;1454009780;assbot;Facebook Reaches New Highs As Money Laundry Spins | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0mAj5 ) 1387818;1454009780;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387819;1454009784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40730 @ 0.0005598 = 22.8007 BTC [+] 1387820;1454010089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79520 @ 0.0005598 = 44.5153 BTC [+] {2} 1387821;1454010147;adlai;keyid leakage can be mitigated with --hidden-encrypt-to, (then recipient must specify which key decrypts the message) 1387822;1454010150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3980 @ 0.00055981 = 2.228 BTC [+] 1387823;1454010189;jurov;adlai he mentions it's possible but closes with "NSA's friend" anyway 1387824;1454010760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39477 @ 0.00055088 = 21.7471 BTC [-] {2} 1387825;1454010821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00054991 = 24.1685 BTC [-] 1387826;1454011002;ascii_butugychag;who is surprised by the keyid thing ?! 1387827;1454011024;BingoBoingo;Silk Road Drug folk? 1387828;1454011027;ascii_butugychag;but more to the point, 1387829;1454011031;ascii_butugychag;!s public key steganography 1387830;1454011032;assbot;0 results for 'public key steganography' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=public+key+steganography 1387831;1454011040;ascii_butugychag;^ is an unsolved and possibly unsolvable boojum 1387832;1454011058;ascii_butugychag;(how to encrypt such that you ~must~ have the pubkey to distinguish the ciphertext from noise) 1387833;1454011064;ascii_butugychag;*have the privkey 1387834;1454011065;ascii_butugychag;that is. 1387835;1454011098;ascii_butugychag;this is trivial for, e.g., otp, but - i suspect provably - a no-go for anything else, esp. anything asymmetric. 1387836;1454011104;ascii_butugychag;and i would love to be proven wrong about this. 1387837;1454011137;ascii_butugychag;at any rate, i find it far more enraging that (incl. this same rag) is repeating the nonsense re: go being solved 1387838;1454011158;ascii_butugychag;go and win against a pro WITHOUT MOTHERFUCKING HANDICAP 1387839;1454011284;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1387840;1454011370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303900 @ 0.00054469 = 165.5313 BTC [-] {9} 1387841;1454011858;mircea_popescu; PGP is the NSA's friend, Weaver added. << "keep saying it, maybe it becomes true" 1387842;1454011938;fluffypony;well to be fair, it is only "pretty good" 1387843;1454011942;*;fluffypony makes joke 1387844;1454012019;adlai;GPG's Not Goodenough 1387845;1454012041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90000 @ 0.00054805 = 49.3245 BTC [+] {2} 1387846;1454012045;adlai;eh this joke should've died before birth 1387847;1454012102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00054806 = 10.9612 BTC [+] 1387848;1454012296;thestringpuller;Can't you send to anonymous recipients in GPG? So the keyid doesn't show up in the ciphertext just have to try with different keys until it deciphers or doesnt. 1387849;1454012419;thestringpuller;article breaks down to "n00bs shouldn't use GPG" 1387850;1454012429;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: you can still brute-force the recipient 1387851;1454012433;ascii_butugychag;by iterating over pubkeys 1387852;1454012479;thestringpuller;aha. I see. wouldn't advance method be using disposable keys? (like burner cell phones)? 1387853;1454012496;ascii_butugychag;may as well otp then 1387854;1454012552;thestringpuller;i guess in context of secret drug dealers organizing to do hood rat shit, best method. But don't see what use of them using our keyids to identify our WoT, when that's you know...publicly available. 1387855;1454012719;jurov;"brute-force the recipient by iterating over pubkeys" << ascii_butugychag sauce? 1387856;1454012724;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: enemy exercise in self-congratulatory wanking - 'we already have metadata! who talks to whom! we won' 1387857;1454012763;ascii_butugychag;jurov: you can trivially do it right now, just walk all of sks, if the pubkey is - well - public, you can determine that someone rsa'd to it 1387858;1454012839;deedbot-;[Ossasepia] Foxy’s Musings on Click-Slaves vs Apprentices and Their Choices - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/01/28/foxys-musings-on-click-slaves-vs-apprentices-and-their-choices/ 1387859;1454012865;ascii_butugychag;jurov: by chinese remainder theorem 1387860;1454012881;ascii_butugychag;pretty sure this is in the logz 1387861;1454013017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19642 @ 0.00054806 = 10.765 BTC [+] 1387862;1454013043;thestringpuller;you mean you can use that irl and not just in school? 1387863;1454013383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57564 @ 0.0005488 = 31.5911 BTC [+] {2} 1387864;1454013627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00055283 = 15.7004 BTC [+] {2} 1387865;1454013675;thestringpuller;In other derp: Shift ~10,000 users who have spent > $1,000,000 worth of bitcoin in less than 2 months 1387866;1454013733;thestringpuller;;;calc 1000000 / 10000 / 2 1387867;1454013734;gribble;50 1387868;1454013749;thestringpuller;^so 50 bucks per user per month? when will these people learn. 1387869;1454014359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00055448 = 35.5422 BTC [+] {3} 1387870;1454014363;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1387871;1454014386;BingoBoingo;Hi felipelalli how is the Brazillian press portraying the FBI atrocities in Oregon? 1387872;1454014522;deedbot-;[Qntra] Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hardfork Again - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/ 1387873;1454014527;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/ 1387874;1454014752;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski no mention of how Vox.com forbid him from owning Bitcoins in the lulzfest where Ezra Klein backtracked on his promises to Lee and Lee just took it like a bitch? 1387875;1454014753;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1387876;1454014869;felipelalli;Hi BingoBoingo! 1387877;1454014911;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1387878;1454014925;ascii_butugychag;how the fuck do you 'forbid from owning bitcoin' ?? 1387879;1454014939;felipelalli;I didn't know anything about it, just opened the newspaper now and saw. Wow. 1387880;1454014945;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Cuckolding? Rectotherm? 1387881;1454014980;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Ah, yeah FBI is doing anything they can to get the Freedom Fighter out before they rack up 1 month of Freedom time 1387882;1454015065;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, what a terrible news :/ 1387883;1454015074;BingoBoingo;Seriously 1387884;1454015516;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: looks like i was indeed off my a single letter on that fb piece. 1387885;1454015525;pete_dushenski;my bad. 1387886;1454015539;pete_dushenski;the bb 'fxd's never end ! 1387887;1454015546;BingoBoingo;Aha one letter a factor of 1000, will fix 1387888;1454015586;BingoBoingo;million give or take sounded right to me, haven't been on FB in long time 1387889;1454015587;pete_dushenski;i think i got confoozed by the 300 bn dollar valuation. numbers and facebook just don't have meaning anymore. 1387890;1454015684;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2014#820694 << this what you were referring to BingoBoingo ? 1387891;1454015684;assbot;Logged on 05-09-2014 20:45:34; BingoBoingo: "This was my fault. While I don't think it's impossible to fairly cover Bitcoin while also holding some Bitcoins, the reason to make these rules blunt and general, rather than nuanced and specific, is to ensure there's no question about the motivations of the underlying coverage." 1387892;1454015719;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That and the drama leading up to it. Generated lots of noise. 1387893;1454015774;pete_dushenski;well your memory is better than mine cuz i'd forgotten all about it. lost in the sea of drama noise. 1387894;1454015944;BingoBoingo;I only remember it because I am good at forgetting other things. 1387895;1454015974;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe you should try building a non-Euclidian memory palace 1387896;1454016022;pete_dushenski;maybe tomorrow 1387897;1454016086;BingoBoingo;Just don't make it Euclidian. Parallel lines are an anti-optimization when it comes time to recall shit. 1387898;1454016133;ascii_butugychag;there really oughta be moar work re: the art of forgetting rubbish 1387899;1454016136;ascii_butugychag;(garbage collection) 1387900;1454016144;ascii_butugychag;say, how about a 'memory dungeon' ? 1387901;1454016175;BingoBoingo;!up PeterL 1387902;1454016194;PeterL;have you seen the movie "Inside out"? 1387903;1454016197;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: ETOH work to promote forgetting, but problems emerge because it is very non-selective. 1387904;1454016203;BingoBoingo;!up felipelalli 1387905;1454016212;BingoBoingo;PeterL: no haven't 1387906;1454016226;pete_dushenski;"Not only can it not be trained, not even to the modest degree bravery and valor could be trained into the knight, but it exhibits a very active antieconomy of scale!" << applies to 'art of forgetting rubbish' just as well. 1387907;1454016233;PeterL;Imagines the inside of the girls mind, there are mechanisms for throwing out useless data 1387908;1454016266;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: nagant also works, in that sense. not interesting. 1387909;1454016307;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: Aha. ETOH allows for some memories to remain in the meat. Achieving that with Nagant is tricky. 1387910;1454016375;BingoBoingo;Nagant also frontloads side effects. ETOH lets you mortage those costs. 1387911;1454016378;PeterL;most memory management tricks seem to be directed at retaining what you want, I have never seen anybody talk about throwing out useless stuff. I don't know if anybody has researched whether there is a hard limit to total storage space? 1387912;1454016405;pete_dushenski;in related nyooz, your mother is not my mother, says science : http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has-left-its-mark-on-indians-genomes/ 1387913;1454016407;assbot;The caste system has left its mark on Indians’ genomes | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/2097Hp6 ) 1387914;1454016457;pete_dushenski;so greatest bestest indian empire can conduct such genomic research, but usistan can not. who's poor now ? 1387915;1454016560;ascii_butugychag;there's plenty india can do that usa chokes on - such as actually producing pharma cheaply 1387916;1454016563;ascii_butugychag;(by pissing on patents) 1387917;1454016600;pete_dushenski;re above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1379073 1387918;1454016600;assbot;Logged on 20-01-2016 21:24:19; mircea_popescu: what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands. 1387919;1454016654;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: and manufacturing, as india is even stealing foxconn plants from chinaland. 1387920;1454016673;ascii_butugychag;so long as white man supplies the equipment - yes 1387921;1454016677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49669 @ 0.0005488 = 27.2583 BTC [-] {2} 1387922;1454016727;pete_dushenski;someone must design it, yes, and that someone also isn't in india or china, also yes. but so what ? colonies are nothing new. 1387923;1454016771;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1387924;1454016799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8714 @ 0.0005488 = 4.7822 BTC [-] 1387925;1454017031;pete_dushenski;"Using a common system for extrapolating generations from genetic recombination, the researchers estimated "all upper-caste populations, except [one] from Northeast India, started to practice endogamy about 70 generations ago... This time estimate belongs to the latter half of the period when the Gupta emperors ruled large tracts of India (Gupta Empire, 319–550 CE)."" << ie. upper class is genetically distinct, the 1387926;1454017031;pete_dushenski; is a rotating slurry of undifferentiable mud, the kind that wants to be 'anonymous' online. 1387927;1454017394;ascii_butugychag;the what 1387928;1454017714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00054739 = 1.4659 BTC [-] {2} 1387929;1454018660;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1387930;1454018690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134458 @ 0.00055197 = 74.2168 BTC [+] {4} 1387931;1454018853;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/bVwAsN.png 1387932;1454018854;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS1wVc ) 1387933;1454018863;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: hm ? 1387934;1454018896;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: heh. veigns. 1387935;1454018913;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: your paste got cut off 1387936;1454018930;ascii_butugychag;the ..?.. is a rotating slurry ... 1387937;1454018974;pete_dushenski;the... *rest 1387938;1454018978;ascii_butugychag;ah 1387939;1454019005;ascii_butugychag;ftr i worked with folks from india for many years 1387940;1454019010;ascii_butugychag;they tend to... segment. 1387941;1454019056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61446 @ 0.00055723 = 34.2396 BTC [+] {2} 1387942;1454019062;ascii_butugychag;(a ~very~ heavy chunk of biotech research establishment in usa, and likely many other such rackets, runs on indian emigres) 1387943;1454019204;pete_dushenski;just like doj then. 1387944;1454019559;pete_dushenski;!up Linus_ 1387945;1454019575;pete_dushenski;and who might you be, Linus_ ? 1387946;1454019626;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: they tend to 'colonize' rackets involving repetitive, tedious sorts of work 1387947;1454019648;ascii_butugychag;the brahmins - at managerial levels 1387948;1454019651;ascii_butugychag;the rest - below. 1387949;1454019743;pete_dushenski;that pretty well matches my interactions with indians, they're either chemists or dentists. 1387950;1454019784;Linus_;pete_dushenski: hey, just another bitcoiner :) 1387951;1454019817;pete_dushenski;!gettrust Linus_ 1387952;1454019817;assbot;Linus_ is not registered in WoT. 1387953;1454019843;pete_dushenski;Linus_: looks like you're not quite a bitcoiner after all. 1387954;1454019856;pete_dushenski;!h 1387955;1454019856;assbot;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot 1387956;1454019870;pete_dushenski;^ if you care to change that 1387957;1454019879;pete_dushenski;!wot 1387958;1454019886;pete_dushenski;someday... 1387959;1454019906;Linus_; :) thanks 1387960;1454020030;Linus_; PGP is cool, have you seen this: https://github.com/stealth/opmsg 1387961;1454020031;assbot;stealth/opmsg: opmsg message encryption - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1nS32H0 ) 1387962;1454020039;pete_dushenski;Linus_: if you need help with the pgp part of the equation, start here http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/ 1387963;1454020041;assbot;Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi ) 1387964;1454020047;Linus_;it's supposed to be like PGP , but with Forward Secrecy, and some othe stuff 1387965;1454020103;ascii_butugychag;'Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) by means of ECDH or DH Kex ... opmsg builds fine with any of the OpenSSL, LibreSSL and BoringSSL...' << i've read enough. 1387966;1454020481;ascii_butugychag;case FREEHUGS: 1387967;1454020481;ascii_butugychag;cmode = CMODE_FREEHUGS; 1387968;1454020481;ascii_butugychag;break; 1387969;1454020487;ascii_butugychag;l0l 1387970;1454020504;ascii_butugychag;ostr<<"HUG, HUG - sell a bug.\n"; oflush(); 1387971;1454020513;ascii_butugychag;do i even want to know. 1387972;1454020521;Linus_;pete_dushenski: Hey, that is a nice PGP tutorial. I also recommend GPA (Gnu Privacy Assistant) to beginners. 1387973;1454020572;pete_dushenski;i'm sure you do. 1387974;1454020636;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_butugychag 1387975;1454020644;ascii_butugychag;RAND_load_file("/dev/urandom", 2048); 1387976;1454020659;ascii_butugychag;/ clear error queue, since FIPS loading bugs might overlay our own errors 1387977;1454020663;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/28/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-senior-editor-at-vox-com/#comment-39853 << best comment i've received in a while. 1387978;1454020665;assbot;Letter to Timothy B. Lee, senior editor at Vox.com | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1nr4dwg ) 1387979;1454021069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00054484 = 18.8787 BTC [-] {2} 1387980;1454021184;Linus_;Did you hear about the strategy to subsidize miners to stay on 1MB blocks? 1387981;1454021229;pete_dushenski;you mean a fee market ? 1387982;1454021275;Linus_;no, just adding some BTC, on top of the regular 25 btc miner reward. 1387983;1454021293;Linus_;kinda similar how some people donate, to keep more full nodes running. 1387984;1454021382;pete_dushenski;!up Linus_ 1387985;1454021437;pete_dushenski;eh miners are already subsidised plenty. if they want to mine larger blocks and fork off, for the most part, it's their loss. 1387986;1454021618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00054376 = 28.6018 BTC [-] {2} 1387987;1454021833;danielpbarron;Linus_, hear about it? ~it~ happened.. ~here~ 1387988;1454021890;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382518 << behold! 1387989;1454021890;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 05:54:30; mircea_popescu: very simple mechanism to ACTUALLY improve your insurance : make a pool which pays 25.25 btc for the first block it finds each day. 1387990;1454021979;Linus_;danielpbarron: cool 1387991;1454022252;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1387992;1454022259;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.26, vol: 11317.76384923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.78, vol: 5896.33304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 377.42, vol: 24446.39294807 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 0.12003227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 385.71453, vol: 40951.96700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 382.25, vol: 319.68140616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.463999989, vol: 142.04981566 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1387993;1454022261;BingoBoingo;;;more 1387994;1454022262;gribble;average: 382.042858889 1387995;1454022342;*;pete_dushenski to a 'university physics mixer' 1387996;1454022472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.0005457 = 28.2127 BTC [+] {2} 1387997;1454022484;jurov;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_%28cryptosystem%29#cite_note-26 EFF phuctored rsa keys in 2012? 1387998;1454022485;assbot;RSA (cryptosystem) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE5PYX ) 1387999;1454022528;jurov;some prior art claims were discussed but don't remember nor can't find this exact paper in logs 1388000;1454022600;jurov;"They were able to factor 0.2% of the keys using only Euclid's algorithm." 1388001;1454022896;jurov;From the PDF:" The new data suggests that, as the body of keys grows, so does the percentage of keys a ected and that the simple step of abandoning 1024-bit keys for 2048-bit ones may be less e ective than desired. 1388002;1454022898;jurov;RSA's feature that allows bad number generators to a ect other keys in such a public way is problematic." 1388003;1454022960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54771 @ 0.000545 = 29.8502 BTC [-] {3} 1388004;1454023448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00055228 = 7.5939 BTC [+] 1388005;1454024028;BingoBoingo;So it's looking like Iowa's getting snow next week. No way this isn't good for my boy Rubio 1388006;1454024524;BingoBoingo;A lol http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43751 1388007;1454024525;assbot;Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vuvyci ) 1388008;1454024910;*;BingoBoingo misses Phuctor's web interface. Enabled so much shaming. 1388009;1454025144;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it will come back ! 1388010;1454025162;BingoBoingo;That doesn't mean it isn't missed 1388011;1454025217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170144 @ 0.0005462 = 92.9327 BTC [-] {4} 1388012;1454025320;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000197.html 1388013;1454025321;assbot;[BTC-dev] programmable version string (resent for mod6) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqt8wK ) 1388014;1454025321;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1388015;1454026008;jurov;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/isis-alrawi-encryption-messaging-app/ 1388016;1454026009;assbot;Alrawi, the ISIS encrypted messaging app, does not exist ... ( http://bit.ly/1TqtMu8 ) 1388017;1454026035;deedbot-;[Qntra] Russian Communists Seek To Emulate United States Socialists With Asset Forfeiture - http://qntra.net/2016/01/russian-communists-seek-to-emulate-united-states-socialists-with-asset-forfeiture/ 1388018;1454026040;jurov;in same vein as isis gpg pubkey 1388019;1454026201;asciilifeform;https://www.rt.com/news/326143-vladimir-putin-immortal-conspiracy << see also from same ! 1388020;1454026202;assbot;Conspiracy theorists ‘prove’ Vladimir Putin is actually immortal — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqu0RS ) 1388021;1454026243;BingoBoingo;lol 1388022;1454027474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3626 @ 0.00055227 = 2.0025 BTC [+] {2} 1388023;1454027783;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZ2QJUCUEAAGmoN.png 1388024;1454027784;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqvxaw ) 1388025;1454027856;BingoBoingo;Related https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZz-G5dWIAApuYA.jpg 1388026;1454027857;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1TqvBHo ) 1388027;1454028516;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387872 << gotta love these idiots. 1388028;1454028516;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 20:55:22; deedbot-: [Qntra] Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hardfork Again - http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/ 1388029;1454028590;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43752 << lol. top zing. 1388030;1454028591;assbot;Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1WQxRYq ) 1388031;1454028886;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing hos, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a62d44e00f8dc311d525d23461b01875/tumblr_nwy0d2XEDT1ucrlbno1_1280.jpg 1388032;1454028887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WQyaCD ) 1388033;1454028996;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387911 << yet it is my principal skill. teh intimates often can't believe just how talented i am at it! 1388034;1454028996;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 21:26:18; PeterL: most memory management tricks seem to be directed at retaining what you want, I have never seen anybody talk about throwing out useless stuff. I don't know if anybody has researched whether there is a hard limit to total storage space? 1388035;1454029216;mircea_popescu;but anyway. there has to be a limit, for quantum reasons. 1388036;1454029290;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387980 <<< as it happened to have been started in these very logs... i guess he must've. 1388037;1454029290;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 22:46:24; Linus_: Did you hear about the strategy to subsidize miners to stay on 1MB blocks? 1388038;1454029381;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2016#1387999 << afaik all that derpage started after hacker-something deleted the original phuctor story, replaced it with an "expert" nobody heard of and his spurious testimony containing no data, and it's been on a blabla kick ever since. 1388039;1454029381;assbot;Logged on 28-01-2016 23:08:48; jurov: some prior art claims were discussed but don't remember nor can't find this exact paper in logs 1388040;1454029711;asciilifeform;holy shit 1388041;1454029712;asciilifeform;string GetDataDir() 1388042;1454029712;asciilifeform;{ 1388043;1454029712;asciilifeform; char pszDir[MAX_PATH]; 1388044;1454029712;asciilifeform; GetDataDir(pszDir); 1388045;1454029712;asciilifeform; return pszDir; 1388046;1454029714;asciilifeform;} 1388047;1454029716;asciilifeform;guess where. 1388048;1454029740;asciilifeform;am i dreaming ? 1388049;1454029837;mircea_popescu;mmmnope 1388050;1454029855;asciilifeform;for fusck sake!!11 1388051;1454029913;asciilifeform;(incidentally, this snippet WILL work if nobody clobbers the stack between invocation and use of the result. bbuttt... why/?!!! 1388052;1454029914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00054945 = 1.8681 BTC [-] 1388053;1454029914;asciilifeform;) 1388054;1454029975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055286 = 14.9825 BTC [+] {3} 1388055;1454030123;asciilifeform;or hm, does cpp string class allocate a fresh turd when returning ? 1388056;1454030130;asciilifeform;seems like this is a mere leak. 1388057;1454030140;asciilifeform;i guess i ~was~ dreaming 1388058;1454030501;mircea_popescu;it's a (minor) leak yeh 1388059;1454030707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055515 = 12.7129 BTC [+] {2} 1388060;1454030712;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000197.html << fantastic, thanks alf!! 1388061;1454030713;assbot;[BTC-dev] programmable version string (resent for mod6) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tqt8wK ) 1388062;1454030733;mod6;ok stand-by, going to update the mirror. 1388063;1454031055;mod6;ok all set -- looking good. 1388064;1454031116;mod6;http://dpaste.com/07EF5NH.txt 1388065;1454031117;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PE052E ) 1388066;1454031133;asciilifeform;soooo i'm nearly done with the megaturd. 1388067;1454031143;mod6;tinyscheme? 1388068;1454031145;asciilifeform;aha. 1388069;1454031159;asciilifeform;it won't be tremendously useful right off the bat, more of a thing to build on. 1388070;1454031211;mod6;you think it'll be useful at all before we release? 1388071;1454031238;asciilifeform;potentially. 1388072;1454031254;mod6;does any of it touch any of trb's files? 1388073;1454031262;mod6;(so far, i didn't see any that did) 1388074;1454031318;mod6;im thinking that i'm gonna tag the release, and publish the release patch soon. just hoping that if any of it touches trb, that it'll be post-release patch so there are no conflicts. 1388075;1454031363;asciilifeform;mod6: it touches plenty. but it probably should not go in the release, is a very dangerous experimental thing. 1388076;1454031383;asciilifeform;i don't mind re-grinding periodically it if it becomes v-orphaned. 1388077;1454031384;mod6;ok you should probably wait to run vdiff against the changes until i've got the release patch out then, so you can start from there. 1388078;1454031397;mod6;does that make sense? 1388079;1454031415;asciilifeform;aha 1388080;1454031442;mod6;ok good deal. feel free to fire off whatever you like at the ML, just be aware that we may have to re-process the vpatches post-release. that's all. salud. 1388081;1454031467;mod6;im about to publish V [v99996] tonight. 1388082;1454031473;asciilifeform;neato! 1388083;1454031474;mod6;well, hoping to anyway. 1388084;1454031477;mod6;:] 1388085;1454031581;mod6;it'll contain the fix from yesterday about the strictness of one of my regex's when matching up seals to vpatches; the change to look for the .wot dir in the current working directory by default (as well as .seals); and lastly has the post-press hash checker function also. 1388086;1454031682;mod6;all automated tests should pass now that we have your new PVS seal in the mirror ; was failing lastnight because V thought it was 'WILD', and it expected it to be signed by you. 1388087;1454031691;mod6;which is a good thing that the test picked it up. 1388088;1454031744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00055946 = 13.8187 BTC [+] {2} 1388089;1454031777;mircea_popescu; you think it'll be useful at all before we release? << nah, fgorget it. consider the release frozen like a week or two ago. 1388090;1454031779;mircea_popescu;will be another one 1388091;1454031817;asciilifeform;i do not even know if this thing is fit for release..! 1388092;1454031822;mircea_popescu;right. 1388093;1454031867;mod6;in your opinion, should the release include any of the three (from recent): PVS, Malleus, or High/Low-S ? 1388094;1454032064;mircea_popescu;i thought you pretty much had all three lined up for it, no ? 1388095;1454032075;mod6;i did. 1388096;1454032086;mod6;i need to test PVS a bit more actually tho. 1388097;1454032098;mod6;i haven't even touched it yet. 1388098;1454032158;mod6;but yah, if all final tests work that include those patches, we're frozen and headed for a release. 1388099;1454032178;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1388100;1454032252;BingoBoingo;!up joesmoe 1388101;1454032682;mod6;ok all automated tests for V passed. 1388102;1454032700;mod6;lock & load 1388103;1454033823;mircea_popescu;cool beans 1388104;1454034001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00055946 = 6.8254 BTC [+] {2} 1388105;1454034245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00055949 = 8.6441 BTC [+] {2} 1388106;1454034794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31568 @ 0.00055967 = 17.6677 BTC [+] {3} 1388107;1454035197;asciilifeform;mod6: done yet? ... i am. 1388108;1454035208;asciilifeform;holding off until your thing is in, like you asked 1388109;1454035639;asciilifeform;... or maybe not. 1388110;1454036609;mod6;asciilifeform: oh sorry, yeah, about to upload the stuff to the site & then send the emails. 1388111;1454036642;mod6;feel free to send what you like as far as tinyscheme. 1388112;1454036670;mod6;i've got a release vpatch up my sleeve, but no email ready for that or anything. that's coming within a number of days I suspect. but probably after the 1st. 1388113;1454037230;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma post the whole thing. i don't mind re-grinding later if necessary. 1388114;1454037234;asciilifeform;would like to get folks readin' it 1388115;1454037282;mod6;sure thing, sounds good. 1388116;1454037283;mod6;thanks! 1388117;1454037301;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1388118;1454037303;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ! 1388119;1454037305;asciilifeform;mod6 ! 1388120;1454037307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ! 1388121;1454037310;asciilifeform;et al... 1388122;1454037311;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html 1388123;1454037312;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP ) 1388124;1454037352;asciilifeform;(and yes i will re-grind the ts genesis later. it needs to be re-based to add up to patch 1 above, also) 1388125;1454037370;mod6;nice asciilifeform! 1388126;1454037392;mod6;heheh "Now Taste The Meat." 1388127;1454037413;asciilifeform;who will be the brave man who first tries this. 1388128;1454037478;BingoBoingo;In further Mizzou lulz, protester are calling for student election (held after wolfe resignation) results to be nullified because Whitey won. http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2016/1/27/msa-needs-nullify-election-and-hold-another/ 1388129;1454037480;assbot;MSA needs to nullify election and hold another – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6xuS ) 1388130;1454037491;mod6;i'll give it a go as soon as I get the soba out and test the PVS. 1388131;1454037543;BingoBoingo;And It happened already, because dick bags don't do the whole chronological order bsns http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2016/1/28/how-msa-senate-toppled-their-president-elect/ 1388132;1454037544;assbot;How MSA Senate toppled their president-elect – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6DCD ) 1388133;1454037796;BingoBoingo;Fucking Mizzou's still going more Oberlin than actual Oberlin 1388134;1454038201;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i always found the toy election thing mega-lulzy 1388135;1454038213;asciilifeform;esp. when encountered it in elementary school in usa 1388136;1454038235;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Honestly it looks like they should get bonus points for emulating "grown up" candidates so well 1388137;1454038408;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of the Most Serene Republic: V [v99996] is now available via http://thebitcoin.foundation home page or the ML: 1388138;1454038408;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 ) 1388139;1454038420;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000199.html 1388140;1454038421;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99996 K ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN7kMm ) 1388141;1454038436;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000200.html 1388142;1454038437;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99996 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN7naZ ) 1388143;1454039805;ben_vulpes;nifty many-handed work, asciilifeform. 1388144;1454039966;BingoBoingo;Hoverboards are serious business http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/getaway-driver-fatally-shot-by-victim-during-hoverboard-robbery-in/article_10d1990c-5249-5726-9a7f-e08fb72e59e9.html 1388145;1454039967;assbot;Getaway driver fatally shot by victim during hoverboard robbery in St. Louis; robber charged : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEwEfv ) 1388146;1454040314;asciilifeform;re: 'hover' board, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807681 1388147;1454040314;assbot;Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this. 1388148;1454040342;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: tried it yet ? 1388149;1454040456;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1388150;1454040724;ben_vulpes;not yet 1388151;1454040773;ben_vulpes;still actually slaving away fixing containerization horseshit 1388152;1454040824;asciilifeform;for trb?! 1388153;1454040944;ben_vulpes;ofcnot 1388154;1454041083;BingoBoingo;420 pounder gets an Inquest over "How could they die of heart attack?" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12127760/30-stone-teacher-died-of-heart-attack-while-waiting-for-XL-stretcher.html 1388155;1454041084;assbot;30-stone teacher died of heart attack while waiting for XL stretcher - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEyaOY ) 1388156;1454041523;ben_vulpes;so today i open my bezzleputer, and discover a SECOND DOCK 1388157;1454041530;ben_vulpes;consisting SOLELY of a GOOGLE CHROME icon 1388158;1454041543;mod6;wow 1388159;1454041549;ben_vulpes;i click this chrome icon out of a morbid fascination 1388160;1454041561;ben_vulpes;and lo a url i was just looking at in chrome on the phone opens in chrome on the browser 1388161;1454041576;ben_vulpes;"it's to ease context-switching" devs in the room witnessing my astonishment attempt to tell me 1388162;1454041590;ben_vulpes;also restarting the computer fixed "Photos" 1388163;1454041595;mod6;ugh 1388164;1454041598;ben_vulpes;verily, i live in the modern windows. 1388165;1454041608;mod6;^ 1388166;1454041627;ben_vulpes;oh and xcode won't build our flagship project on my computer for some completely inscrutable reason 1388167;1454041643;ben_vulpes;arcane linker errors coming from the "pods" 1388168;1454042150;mod6;asciilifeform: V did put shiva in the flow, and the verified the seals: http://dpaste.com/1AXWG30.txt 1388169;1454042175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00055958 = 6.4631 BTC [-] {2} 1388170;1454042419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.00055836 = 26.9565 BTC [-] {2} 1388171;1454042645;mod6;as discussed yesterday, barfs a bit pressing out the tree on the tinyscheme patches because of the timestamps: http://dpaste.com/05QQ9KD.txt 1388172;1454042646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEA2Hp ) 1388173;1454042814;ben_vulpes;FUCK 1388174;1454042815;ben_vulpes;ME 1388175;1454042818;ben_vulpes;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21242107/pip-install-pil-dont-install-into-virtualenv 1388176;1454042820;assbot;python imaging library - pip install PIL dont install into virtualenv - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEAlSE ) 1388177;1454042843;ben_vulpes;the WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD is conspiring to rip the rug out from otherwise entirely stable software 1388178;1454042865;ben_vulpes;ugh mircea_popescu's line about software only working at a point in time is so entirely fucking timely 1388179;1454043639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14322 @ 0.00055878 = 8.0028 BTC [+] 1388180;1454043761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14578 @ 0.00055878 = 8.1459 BTC [+] 1388181;1454044310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00055269 = 11.4407 BTC [-] {2} 1388182;1454045719;mod6;asciilifeform: it does at least ~compile~ http://dpaste.com/2QBY8S1.txt 1388183;1454046889;mod6;asciilifeform: works! this is really cool : http://dpaste.com/35DN9JH.txt 1388184;1454046890;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PE8ByM ) 1388185;1454047073;mod6;are these the only two implemented thus far? 1388186;1454047074;mod6; scheme_define(sc, sc->global_env, mk_symbol(sc, "btc-get-best-height" ), mk_foreign_func(sc, btc_get_best_height)); 1388187;1454047077;mod6; scheme_define(sc, sc->global_env, mk_symbol(sc, "btc-shutdown" ), mk_foreign_func(sc, btc_shutdown)); 1388188;1454047543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00055644 = 6.2043 BTC [+] 1388189;1454047593;mod6;"Eventually we can migrate the whole RPC orchestra to this." << seems reasonable. 1388190;1454047909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00055574 = 6.1965 BTC [-] 1388191;1454048083;BingoBoingo;Prospect of rpc-snip makes me miss web phuctor a bit less 1388192;1454048885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111581 @ 0.00055164 = 61.5525 BTC [-] {6} 1388193;1454049739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.0005589 = 17.5774 BTC [+] {3} 1388194;1454049861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00055959 = 5.8197 BTC [+] 1388195;1454049999;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ&feature=youtu.be 1388196;1454050000;assbot;Complete, Unedited Video of Joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/2016 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuI1MQ ) 1388197;1454050099;ben_vulpes;things get interesting around https://youtu.be/aAGxDWKrjPQ?t=562 1388198;1454050100;assbot;Complete, Unedited Video of Joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/2016 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuI3Es ) 1388199;1454050227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00055334 = 4.4267 BTC [-] 1388200;1454051447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00054993 = 4.1245 BTC [-] {2} 1388201;1454051900;danielpbarron;wow, pretty sure they'd have gotten away if they just ran over the fed that jumped infront of the truck at the last second 1388202;1454051920;danielpbarron;guy died basically saving the life of the fed 1388203;1454051925;danielpbarron;with his hands up 1388204;1454051996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00055959 = 7.8063 BTC [+] 1388205;1454052506;ben_vulpes;look closer, danielpbarron, watch like three more times 1388206;1454052574;ben_vulpes;unless they shot him before 9:30 his hands are at his waist 1388207;1454052587;ben_vulpes;libruls are gonna say "he was endangering a good honest policeman!" 1388208;1454052608;ben_vulpes;repubtards are gonna say "los federales gunned down a confused old man stumbling around in the snow!" 1388209;1454052611;ben_vulpes;AND I SHALL LOL 1388210;1454053344;polarbeard;I've timestamped and categorized trb log lines, as well as improved the messages and removed (seeming never activated) destructive log rotation, here is the signed patch: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613 in case somebody with a decent reputation wants to review it so I can submit it to the ml 1388211;1454053347;assbot;polarbeard_logging_sanity.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewosO ) 1388212;1454053521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00054893 = 13.1743 BTC [-] {2} 1388213;1454053991;ben_vulpes;what does snet in a printf mean? 1388214;1454054037;polarbeard;https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613#file-polarbeard_logging_sanity-vpatch-L2349 1388215;1454054040;assbot;polarbeard_logging_sanity.vpatch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KexnJJ ) 1388216;1454054050;polarbeard;they are just prefix strings 1388217;1454054060;ben_vulpes;aha 1388218;1454054258;ben_vulpes;this'd probably be best delivered as 2 vpatches: one where you rearrange the deck chairs in the log messages, and another where you muntz out the rotator 1388219;1454054368;ben_vulpes;that is a lot of delta to review for i don't precisely know what value 1388220;1454054436;ben_vulpes;and for what it's worth i actually like seeing the function names in the logs. i know i could just grep for the log messages, but it's another way to get familiar with the codebase. 1388221;1454054452;ben_vulpes;one develops a sense for what happens where in the codebase watching logs. 1388222;1454054507;polarbeard;it truly is, as what value it has, it's just a step into better debugging capabilities, for this patch I've not added new log lines on purpose but I plan doing it for the next 1388223;1454054537;ben_vulpes;what's wrong with gdb 1388224;1454054599;polarbeard;nothing, but gdb is for debugging the present state 1388225;1454054665;ben_vulpes;what you want to reconstruct full state at any point in time? 1388226;1454054688;ben_vulpes;the problem with a patch of this size is that my face wearies of reading myriad log lines changed for seemingly aesthetic reasons, and i fear that even a close read will miss an underhanded c contestant. 1388227;1454054717;ben_vulpes;you realize this is a 3kloc patch. 1388228;1454054720;ben_vulpes;2.5 1388229;1454054784;polarbeard;thats ok, don't worry then 1388230;1454054845;polarbeard;I just felt it was fair to anounce its existence 1388231;1454054850;ben_vulpes;yeah, sure 1388232;1454054862;ben_vulpes;hell, submit it to the ml for posterity, i believe you have the wot rating for that. 1388233;1454054911;ben_vulpes;"this 2.6kloc patch rewrites every log line in the reference implementation, in support of further work i'm doing on" etc etc 1388234;1454054940;polarbeard;somebody has to review it anyway, so I'll wait for any interest 1388235;1454054970;polarbeard;if not that's fine, I built it for me, the categorization was a nice idea from mp, though 1388236;1454055041;ben_vulpes;he also wanted to tabbify the whole thing 1388237;1454055229;ben_vulpes;definitely split the actual muntzing out into its own patch instead of complecting it with the rest of the work. i might be able to read and meditate on that patch. 1388238;1454055319;polarbeard;you want to keep it? most people said it never gets activated 1388239;1454055595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46520 @ 0.00054876 = 25.5283 BTC [-] 1388240;1454055744;ben_vulpes;removing dead code is good, far better than rewriting the log lines. just split it out so that it can be reviewed seperately from the two thousand five hundred and ninety odd other lines of that patch. 1388241;1454055800;ben_vulpes;polarbeard: do i still fail to make myself clear? 1388242;1454056144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00054871 = 13.5531 BTC [-] {2} 1388243;1454056571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32001 @ 0.00054973 = 17.5919 BTC [+] {2} 1388244;1454058096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00054534 = 13.8516 BTC [-] {3} 1388245;1454058157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12864 @ 0.00054937 = 7.0671 BTC [+] {2} 1388246;1454058828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30093 @ 0.00054534 = 16.4109 BTC [-] {3} 1388247;1454059316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00055346 = 16.7698 BTC [+] 1388248;1454059566;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388237 << seems like it just removes ShrinkDebugFile() 1388249;1454059566;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 08:13:49; ben_vulpes: definitely split the actual muntzing out into its own patch instead of complecting it with the rest of the work. i might be able to read and meditate on that patch. 1388250;1454060158;punkman;so the log lines are now prefixed with two types of things: ERR INF WAR and MEM ADR BLK NET WAL. If you are gonna do this it'd be nice to have the usual log levels on all lines (error,warning, debug, info) , so user can choose how much verbosity he needs. 1388251;1454060353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054685 = 9.9527 BTC [-] {3} 1388252;1454060616;polarbeard;punkman: I wanted to categorize the information before prioritizing but it makes sense, in fact some server software (mongodb for instance) does this with double prefixes using this format: 1388253;1454061134;punkman;polarbeard: but some lines have and some lines have 1388254;1454061207;polarbeard;yes, you're right, I'll add priority and category in each line, thanks for the observation 1388255;1454061376;punkman;that said, I'm not sure any trb users will actually want to filter on 1388256;1454061413;polarbeard;me neither, but for the amount of data it needs to be introduced it won't hurt 1388257;1454061560;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388055 yes this code is fine, cpp supports returning of objects by value, either by copying or some gnarly compiler optimization 1388258;1454061560;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 01:15:23; asciilifeform: or hm, does cpp string class allocate a fresh turd when returning ? 1388259;1454061566;punkman;(by filter I meant "don't save these lines", but I guess still useful when you are grepping or scanning with your eyes) 1388260;1454061727;punkman;so shiva patch wholly includes the tinyscheme genesis instead of referencing it? 1388261;1454061878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21082 @ 0.00055384 = 11.6761 BTC [+] 1388262;1454062013;jurov;mod6: is the V ..er.. V-ified? 1388263;1454062427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00055428 = 10.4759 BTC [+] {2} 1388264;1454062703;jurov;polarbeard: i've updated ml, you can now post to btc-dev 1388265;1454062833;polarbeard;thanks, I'll wait a bit for reviews I think 1388266;1454063064;jurov;you will get more attention there than in the log, and you can always post an update 1388267;1454063132;polarbeard;I appreciate the suggestion, I'll just finish ensuring each line has priority and category and I'll submit then 1388268;1454063277;jurov;btw, while i'm on it: mod6, does V have any notion of "updates" and "reground" patches? 1388269;1454063359;jurov;I know that i should manage the repository myself, but imo a version field would be good to have so that I can easily spot if someone posts revised version of the same patch. 1388270;1454063394;jurov;!up Uglux 1388271;1454063403;jurov;!up drnet 1388272;1454063421;jurov;hi Uglux, drnet 1388273;1454063428;Uglux;hi 1388274;1454063441;jurov;perhaps you're new and full of ideas to improve bitcoin? 1388275;1454063583;Uglux;I'm not new but full of ideas ;) 1388276;1454063810;jurov;care to share and watch them burn? 1388277;1454063891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00054657 = 7.57 BTC [-] 1388278;1454064336;Uglux;sorry, no time... 1388279;1454064379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00054597 = 13.5947 BTC [-] {2} 1388280;1454064501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28315 @ 0.00055289 = 15.6551 BTC [+] {2} 1388281;1454064745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6060 @ 0.00055472 = 3.3616 BTC [+] 1388282;1454065239;polarbeard;ftr, I've updated the gist, will send the patch to the ml later 1388283;1454065949;punkman;jurov, how would version field work? 1388284;1454066133;punkman;btw, does the turdatron use v.pl? 1388285;1454066330;jurov;it does not use v yet 1388286;1454066363;jurov;and the version field as just advisory indication which is the more recent patch 1388287;1454066393;jurov;say i post mempool_frobs.vpatch 1388288;1454066428;jurov;and upon feedback i redo it, should i just repost with same name? 1388289;1454066454;jurov;wouldn't that cause confusion when other files stay the same? 1388290;1454066597;punkman;I think it'd be best to name the 2nd patch mempool_frobsv2.vpatch or something like that 1388291;1454066636;jurov;then it will sort *after* mempool_frobs 1388292;1454066663;punkman;they'd conflict, can't be in same toposorted list 1388293;1454066762;jurov;so v will complain and user will have to resolve it by hand 1388294;1454066772;polarbeard;gpg will tell you when it was signed, you can use that to discard old patches 1388295;1454066783;punkman;vit does have interactive deconflict mode 1388296;1454066885;punkman;(there's an example in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html ) 1388297;1454066886;assbot;[BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg ) 1388298;1454066886;jurov;not anything serious, just throwing some ideas.. looks like this needs to be revisited only when I encounter the situation actually :D 1388299;1454067065;punkman;ideally turdatron would press all the possible HEADs and let us see them in lxr 1388300;1454068527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12312 @ 0.00054544 = 6.7155 BTC [-] {2} 1388301;1454068588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16188 @ 0.00054416 = 8.8089 BTC [-] {2} 1388302;1454068771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20840 @ 0.00055218 = 11.5074 BTC [+] 1388303;1454069917;BingoBoingo; repubtards are gonna say "los federales gunned down a confused old man stumbling around in the snow!" << Old might have been the serious problem. Perhaps these men started too late to get the actual RUF sorta militia mindset. Turns out Kony was right. 1388304;1454070052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26860 @ 0.00055956 = 15.0298 BTC [+] {2} 1388305;1454070174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0005596 = 13.934 BTC [+] {3} 1388306;1454070992;BingoBoingo;Lol, Cer's rag is pushing for private keys on Blackberry https://archive.is/23xqt 1388307;1454070993;assbot;Bitcoin Adoption in Indonesia May Hinge on Blackberry Wallet Solution - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfF31h ) 1388308;1454071150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11410 @ 0.00055717 = 6.3573 BTC [-] 1388309;1454071366;BingoBoingo;Win http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-andresen-proposes-same-hardfork-again/#comment-43827 1388310;1454071367;assbot;Gavin Andresen Proposes Same Hard Fork Again | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vv94rD ) 1388311;1454071516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00054372 = 17.399 BTC [-] {2} 1388312;1454071884;punkman;http://fossforce.com/2016/01/sourceforge-and-slashdot-have-been-sold/ 1388313;1454071885;assbot;SourceForge and Slashdot Have Been Sold | FOSS Force ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfGoVO ) 1388314;1454072063;punkman;http://intothesymmetry.blogspot.ch/2016/01/what-heck-is-rfc-5114.html 1388315;1454072064;assbot;Into the symmetry: What the heck is RFC 5114? ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfGEnS ) 1388316;1454073468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00055131 = 4.3829 BTC [+] {2} 1388317;1454073505;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! 1388318;1454073508;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ! 1388319;1454073510;asciilifeform;mod6 ! 1388320;1454073511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ! 1388321;1454073513;asciilifeform;et al: 1388322;1454073514;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html 1388323;1454073515;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P ) 1388324;1454073642;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388189 << i must say also that this is not why i wrote it, originally. this was an attempt at an online debugger, so i can interactively play with tx in mempool, issue db queries, etc. 1388325;1454073642;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 06:06:33; mod6: "Eventually we can migrate the whole RPC orchestra to this." << seems reasonable. 1388326;1454073654;asciilifeform;none of those hooks are 'give to other people'-quality as of yet 1388327;1454073664;asciilifeform;so i sent it off with a few very basic examples. 1388328;1454073673;asciilifeform;soon i will post some examples of hooks which actually take arguments 1388329;1454073700;BingoBoingo;But the RPC snip possibility is a beautiful side effect 1388330;1454073706;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388210 << that thing is MASSIVE for fucks sake 1388331;1454073706;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 07:42:24; polarbeard: I've timestamped and categorized trb log lines, as well as improved the messages and removed (seeming never activated) destructive log rotation, here is the signed patch: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613 in case somebody with a decent reputation wants to review it so I can submit it to the ml 1388332;1454073732;asciilifeform;it needs to frag into a dozen patches with separation of concerns before i will bother to read it. 1388333;1454073745;asciilifeform;what happened to n00bz starting small! 1388334;1454073772;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-07-2015#1201185 << oblig 1388335;1454073772;assbot;Logged on 14-07-2015 19:24:25; ascii_field: 'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail' 1388336;1454073780;BingoBoingo;Prolly n00b raised in the school of "EVERYTHING AT ONCE" 1388337;1454073809;BingoBoingo;Or trying to introduce crap 1388338;1454073822;asciilifeform;anyway, to go back to business, the pedigree bridge makes it possible to read, in one sitting, all of the changes i made to the classical tinyscheme which ends up in shiva. 1388339;1454073842;asciilifeform;the latter is now to be considered properly vtronic. 1388340;1454073845;asciilifeform;instead of a ball of crud. 1388341;1454073855;asciilifeform;(it still contains a historical ball of crud, tinyscheme.) 1388342;1454073890;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388233 << ah yeah let's pleeze not this 1388343;1454073890;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 08:08:31; ben_vulpes: "this 2.6kloc patch rewrites every log line in the reference implementation, in support of further work i'm doing on" etc etc 1388344;1454073923;asciilifeform;;;later tell polarbeard when writing a patch, consider the effort required to properly grasp EVERY LINE 1388345;1454073924;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1388346;1454073944;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388260 << now fixed! see this thread. 1388347;1454073944;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 10:02:07; punkman: so shiva patch wholly includes the tinyscheme genesis instead of referencing it? 1388348;1454074020;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388268 << absolutely not, the very notion is a violation of vtronics. NOW on the OTHER HAND - human-powered 'gardening' of the vtree is a perfectly fine thing. notice how mod6 is doing a splendid job of it. BUT conceivably it is also possible for archaeologists to take all of the orphaned crud i ever pasted and come up with a correct vtree 1388349;1454074020;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 10:27:57; jurov: btw, while i'm on it: mod6, does V have any notion of "updates" and "reground" patches? 1388350;1454074027;asciilifeform;the crud will end up on dead branches. 1388351;1454074033;asciilifeform;rather like the other blockchain. 1388352;1454074099;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1388353;1454074444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27053 @ 0.00055964 = 15.1399 BTC [+] {3} 1388354;1454075115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12511 @ 0.0005565 = 6.9624 BTC [-] {2} 1388355;1454076262;mats;'misra c' is a fun read 1388356;1454076288;mats;of the 'underhanded programming guide' variety 1388357;1454076366;BingoBoingo;So, I'm thinking about returning to linux... maybe. Any idea if RadeonSI drivers would work on a musl kernel? 1388358;1454076425;BingoBoingo;Google is unrevealing on this matter because fucking phoronix spam clogs these keywords 1388359;1454076796;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency jpy 1388360;1454076805;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 46124.0706, vol: 11640.70373598 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 46257.3259985, vol: 7959.8477 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 45469.3125, vol: 5.06 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 46629.489, vol: 74106.70140000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 46000.0, vol: 72.27468694 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 46462.7425, vol: 114.3093928 | Volume-weighted last average: 46534.5335291 1388361;1454077056;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1388362;1454077064;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.73, vol: 11582.44765331 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.1, vol: 7949.34921 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.09, vol: 54857.02272742 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 5.06 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.820605, vol: 74078.79440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.74001, vol: 414.16996823 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 383.1462, vol: 114.3093928 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1388363;1454077068;BingoBoingo;;;more 1388364;1454077069;gribble;382.469010567 1388365;1454077220;mats;i just noticed pcengines 'apu2c4' will have ecc support 1388366;1454077232;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bank Of Japan Takes Interest Rates Negative - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bank-of-japan-takes-interest-rates-negative/ 1388367;1454077409;BingoBoingo;mats: AMD tends to have ECC as an available option in all of their chips except the consumer stuff, and even then it usually isn't the chip where ECC is precluded. 1388368;1454077603;BingoBoingo;In other news 'Quantrill' is now synced up to the beginning of 2014. 1388369;1454077650;shinohai;Everyone has spiffy node names but I. I just call mine that thing in the corner. 1388370;1454077672;PeterL;^ I was just about to say the same thing! 1388371;1454077704;shinohai;>.> 1388372;1454077769;punkman;mats, it says ECC "not working" though now. also saw a supermicro G series board that only has non-ECC 1388373;1454077799;PeterL;my node is syncing, seemed to be getting tons of junk. I restarted it, using -addnode with the nodes from the wiki, seems to be going good again. 1388374;1454077820;PeterL;Is there a way while it is running to tell it to switch back to the nodes you started it with? 1388375;1454077948;punkman;PeterL, not really 1388376;1454078201;BingoBoingo;And the lolz roll on https://i.imgur.com/Q2X24B7.png 1388377;1454078202;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYsw0Z ) 1388378;1454078448;shinohai;A poor toomlin got his feelings hurt 1388379;1454078507;BingoBoingo;In other feelings https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343716.msg13712823#msg13712823 1388380;1454078509;assbot;Wondering out loud: Which should Chinese miners support - Core, Classic or another? ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYt7zM ) 1388381;1454078540;PeterL;are chinese miners some sort of unit that all must act together? 1388382;1454078600;BingoBoingo;Apparently? 1388383;1454078627;BingoBoingo;At least It's what the derps think? 1388384;1454078677;BingoBoingo;Even through my lens which is competely illiterate when it comes to the Chinese language, the miners seem to be having very spirited conversations. 1388385;1454078718;PeterL;from the vantage point of the poor, "rich people" are also a unit which acts in a concerted manner 1388386;1454078843;BingoBoingo;And for the bunny rabbit everything that moves and is not a fellow rabbit is acting in a concerted manner and an immanent threat. 1388387;1454078904;BingoBoingo;F2Pool/Discus Fish is probably my favorite Chinese pool. 1388388;1454079010;davout;BingoBoingo: "Qntra is the only Bitcoin news outlet committed to bringing Bitcoin news to Africa." <<< brilliant! 1388389;1454079048;BingoBoingo;davout: Thank you 1388390;1454079196;fluffypony;lol 1388391;1454079255;BingoBoingo;Seriously though http://qntra.net/2016/01/nacdl-amicus-silk-road-warrant-unconstitutional-according-to-4th-amendment/ load less than 1/6th the data of http://www.coindesk.com/scaling-debate-bitcoin-core-outreach/ even when ignoring javascript 1388392;1454079256;assbot;NACDL Amicus: Silk Road Warrant Unconstitutional According To 4th Amendment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYuSgw ) 1388393;1454079257;assbot;Amid Scaling Debate, Bitcoin Core Goes on Outreach Offensive - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYuSgA ) 1388394;1454079307;trinque;there is a kiss of death for btcd which halts it in its tracks, does not crash. 1388395;1454079311;trinque;I have seen this maybe 10 times by now 1388396;1454079325;fluffypony;have you tried maybe not kissing the computer? 1388397;1454079343;trinque;look, no kink-shaming 1388398;1454079359;fluffypony;you're right, this is a safe space 1388399;1454079368;fluffypony;for anyone reading the logs I apologise for not providing a trigger warning 1388400;1454079373;BingoBoingo;And on that qntra page there's a bit more than a hundred KB of text on that page which gets compressed for transit 1388401;1454079373;trinque;lol 1388402;1454079771;BingoBoingo;!up drnet 1388403;1454079793;BingoBoingo;!up buzz 1388404;1454079800;thestringpuller;GMaxwell is ranting up reddit repeating the Visa is not Comparable with Bitcoin thing. 1388405;1454079815;BingoBoingo;good for him 1388406;1454079870;thestringpuller;I don't even know if I should bother reading r/btc. kills brain cells like drugs. 1388407;1454080016;PeterL;Visa is not comparable with visa, doesn't everybody already know that? 1388408;1454080033;PeterL;ack, visa is not comparable with bitcoin 1388409;1454080070;thestringpuller;Nope. The people focused on traditional payment processing believe Bitcoin should scale to visa levels cuz "Satoshi said so" 1388410;1454080100;thestringpuller;the problem here is I doubt satoshi had any idea how visa and traditional payment systems scaled in comparison to bitcoin. 1388411;1454080605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22977 @ 0.00055926 = 12.8501 BTC [+] {2} 1388412;1454080996;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1388413;1454081568;ascii_butugychag;aaaaah teflon mouse tape ! 1388414;1454081583;ascii_butugychag;what a small thing, how much less agony. 1388415;1454081615;punkman;how's that 1388416;1454081647;BingoBoingo;Aha, just don't heat the mouse over 500 degree farenheit 1388417;1454081822;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << cool! thanks for posting. 1388418;1454081823;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P ) 1388419;1454081841;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388189 << i must say also that this is not why i wrote it, originally. this was an attempt at an online debugger, so i can interactively play with tx in mempool, issue db queries, etc. << very exciting stuff 1388420;1454081841;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 06:06:33; mod6: "Eventually we can migrate the whole RPC orchestra to this." << seems reasonable. 1388421;1454081927;ascii_butugychag;i suppose this is when i restate my rage at the idiocy of gnudiff 1388422;1454081939;ascii_butugychag;which does not allow file rename operation except as a megatonne of add/subtract-lines 1388423;1454081961;ascii_butugychag;and so makes it quite impossible to properly have tinyscheme-genesis FULLY MACHINE-READABLY flow into shiva genesis 1388424;1454081994;ascii_butugychag;(as my instructions note, it is necessary to rename a directory after pressing tinyscheme-genesis to end up with the shiva subdir in shiva patch) 1388425;1454082011;ascii_butugychag;but i will NOT tolerate a megatonne of rubbish in my vpatch just to rename a dir. 1388426;1454082111;ascii_butugychag;mod6: shiva is unabashedly a beachhead to eventually have the whole thing enlisped. 1388427;1454082154;ascii_butugychag;as you probably know, my original interest in 0.5.3* was ~characterization~ 1388428;1454082162;ascii_butugychag;(i wanted the book for a reason) 1388429;1454082294;thestringpuller;yes yes. "fit in head" 1388430;1454082338;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: they gave me this surprisingly spiffy apple mouse-touchsensor-chimera, but it has gigantic rails in contact with the table, and tremendous static friction. but it turns out that teflon will make it slide aaah so nicely along, like hockey puck.. 1388431;1454082369;ascii_butugychag;now i am fighting a compulsion to stick that tape to the bottom of every single object on my desk 1388432;1454082378;BingoBoingo;Sweet 1388433;1454082448;BingoBoingo;I might have to look into this tape. 1388434;1454082473;ascii_butugychag;mats: so i wanted to go and read misra c, turns out it is payware ? 1388435;1454082533;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: the magic mouse? 1388436;1454082545;thestringpuller;or the white wireless mouse thing 1388437;1454082598;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: 'magic mouse' 1388438;1454082609;ascii_butugychag;the thing with the capacitance sensor top 1388439;1454082664;ascii_butugychag;(quite worthless, i must note, without the aftermarker driver that lets you program new patterns in. need this in order even to have middle-click..) 1388440;1454082679;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35867 @ 0.0005586 = 20.0353 BTC [-] {4} 1388441;1454082685;thestringpuller;the joys of the walled garden. 1388442;1454082717;ascii_butugychag;the joys of all weird proprietary hardware 1388443;1454082717;PeterL;does it come with "right click", or do you have to add that? 1388444;1454082725;ascii_butugychag;PeterL: believe or not, it does. 1388445;1454082738;ascii_butugychag;scrolling also (whole surface is a scroller, x-y) 1388446;1454082738;mircea_popescu;goood morning! and http://41.media.tumblr.com/fbaf749fbc96c8f28c3b1a788bb3f755/tumblr_nvtp8ePXvX1ru873no1_1280.jpg 1388447;1454082740;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nsMvZt ) 1388448;1454082746;ascii_butugychag;guten morgen mircea_popescu ! 1388449;1454082748;mats;ascii_butugychag: there is warez 1388450;1454082769;ascii_butugychag;mats: worth leeching and spending time readin ? 1388451;1454082781;ascii_butugychag;maybe give us summary ? 1388452;1454082809;mod6;All: Stand-by I've made some updates to the script referenced in the wiki as to drop in the latest version of V (with the latest 3 patches in the mirror) - im gonna test it, then post it here. It'd be good to have some of you test it too. 1388453;1454083014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388167 << they finally landed eh. 1388454;1454083014;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 04:27:23; ben_vulpes: arcane linker errors coming from the "pods" 1388455;1454083045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00055964 = 8.9263 BTC [+] {2} 1388456;1454083058;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388189 << best first step. 1388457;1454083058;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 06:06:33; mod6: "Eventually we can migrate the whole RPC orchestra to this." << seems reasonable. 1388458;1454083076;BingoBoingo;lol, the Tor 'Tails' distro switched to systemd now 1388459;1454083100;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388202 << why do the usg-tards look so much like attention whoring hipsters these days ? 1388460;1454083100;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 07:18:40; danielpbarron: guy died basically saving the life of the fed 1388461;1454083125;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this significantly changes the bozo bit on "the tor project" from "don't install that shit" to "don't install that shit". 1388462;1454083154;mod6;One notable change to the build script linked on the wiki: Since we're pressing out V in a directory that gets created by the script, there is no way to have a .wot inside this dir that it can find -- the script ~must~ reference a .wot directory somewhere outside of the entire rotor build area. 1388463;1454083211;mod6;so I'm going to have the script reference ~/.wot -- this seems like a resonable place to put it -- again, V will not expect it to be there, so an additional param is placed in the V command as such: 1388464;1454083261;mod6;./v.pl i http://thebitcoin.foundation wd ~/.wot 1388465;1454083262;assbot;..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 ) 1388466;1454083262;mod6;./v.pl p verbose TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch wd ~/.wot 1388467;1454083274;mircea_popescu; the script ~must~ reference a .wot directory somewhere outside of the entire rotor build area. <<< wait wut ?! 1388468;1454083276;mircea_popescu;this can not be 1388469;1454083281;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1388470;1454083288;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: its "the tor project" they can't fit all of that into a single bozobit. Requires a whole base58 encoded xml bozo turd. 1388471;1454083309;mod6;mircea_popescu: it has to be, there is no way that we can create and populate a .wot directory inside of a directory that is created by the script 1388472;1454083310;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you can have whatever weird lisp "1" you wish for as long as it evaluates to 1 lol 1388473;1454083318;mod6;.wot must be created by hand, and populated by hand. 1388474;1454083330;mircea_popescu;mod6 populated by hand, yes, that was the idea. 1388475;1454083346;mircea_popescu;but you're telling me script creating directory $d can't create directory $d."/.wot" ?! 1388476;1454083369;mod6;make note that V does not /expect/ or /default/ to a ~/.wot dir, it just so happens in this case, that it needs to be somewhere accessable outside of the rotor build path 1388477;1454083370;mircea_popescu;or however you denote string addition in that language 1388478;1454083386;mircea_popescu;not to be a bitch, but for my own education. 1388479;1454083397;mod6;I can do that just fine yes, but i don't think we should populate the .wot directory via script. 1388480;1454083402;mircea_popescu;certainly not. 1388481;1454083411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35665 @ 0.00055647 = 19.8465 BTC [-] {3} 1388482;1454083415;mircea_popescu;but it should still be a subdir of the working space rather than a fixed dir somewhere 1388483;1454083419;mod6;so it should be populated by hand, outside of the build path, and referenced only in the script for access. 1388484;1454083423;mircea_popescu;for one thing, you might wish to run v with diff wotsets. 1388485;1454083443;mod6;I can not reconcile this. 1388486;1454083451;mircea_popescu;(actually half the reason to even have v is to run it with diff wotsets) 1388487;1454083455;mod6;Chicken/Egg problem with that script then. 1388488;1454083465;mircea_popescu;but explain it to me so i grasp it ? 1388489;1454083471;mod6;brb. 1388490;1454083494;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: I just got one of those mice from the vending machine. (We have vending machines at work for accessories. Slowly replacing IT with robots.) 1388491;1454083511;mircea_popescu;did you have to pay money for it ?! 1388492;1454083525;thestringpuller;nope. it's billed to the department. 1388493;1454083547;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1388494;1454083550;thestringpuller;62.99 or something tho? 1388495;1454083563;thestringpuller;how you gonna sell a mouse for 60 bucks 1388496;1454083602;mircea_popescu;jesus. 1388497;1454083659;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388210 << yeah, i will. 1388498;1454083659;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 07:42:24; polarbeard: I've timestamped and categorized trb log lines, as well as improved the messages and removed (seeming never activated) destructive log rotation, here is the signed patch: https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/961aa315c69b89d2e613 in case somebody with a decent reputation wants to review it so I can submit it to the ml 1388499;1454083833;mod6;ok so lets talk this through a bit. 1388500;1454083866;ascii_butugychag;^ 1388501;1454083874;mircea_popescu;please. 1388502;1454083889;mod6;so the script as it currently exists, creates these directories: 1388503;1454083889;mod6;mkdir -p rotor 1388504;1454083889;mod6;mkdir -p rotor/toolchain 1388505;1454083889;mod6;mkdir -p rotor/TEST2 1388506;1454083897;mircea_popescu;ya 1388507;1454083908;mod6;then it moves into these directories to continue all of the gyrations that need to happen to build everything 1388508;1454083910;ascii_butugychag;<+mircea_popescu> for one thing, you might wish to run v with diff wotsets. << YES! ~somebody~ GETs it 1388509;1454083920;mircea_popescu;right mod6 1388510;1454083956;mod6;ok. so if we create a .wot in /.../rotor/ (so, rotor/.wot), then it can not be populated by hand... 1388511;1454083962;mircea_popescu;right 1388512;1454083971;mircea_popescu;mkdir -p rotor/.wot 1388513;1454083975;mircea_popescu;to keep to above convention 1388514;1454083997;mircea_popescu;why can't it be populated by hand ? 1388515;1454084000;mod6;the only actual alternative here is to create .wot adjacent to rotor directory, along with the V source 1388516;1454084021;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> why can't it be populated by hand ? << how can you populate by hand while the script is running? 1388517;1454084041;mircea_popescu;the way i see this is, script tries " mkdir -p rotor/.wot " , if it succeeds it says "wot dir created, populate and re-run please" ; if it fails it proceeds with build. 1388518;1454084046;mircea_popescu;what's the problem with this approach ? 1388519;1454084068;mod6;eh. bad things tend to happen when this script is run more than once. 1388520;1454084087;mircea_popescu;that's just an error message tho. 1388521;1454084087;ascii_butugychag;i still don't get why a vtron should use the net at all 1388522;1454084090;mod6;this was never really meant to be "the thing" just was initially meant for testing. somehow became "the way" 1388523;1454084095;mod6;so continuing with my thought here.. 1388524;1454084097;mircea_popescu;just like bitcoin eh ? 1388525;1454084125;mod6;if we have V source and .wot adjacent to rotor dir, then we could press like the following: 1388526;1454084130;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag why not ? and stop interrupting the guy! 1388527;1454084152;mod6;./v.pl p verbose rotor/TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch 1388528;1454084160;mod6;so I think that could work actually. 1388529;1454084199;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> i still don't get why a vtron should use the net at all << I'm open to well defined explicit ideas here. 1388530;1454084222;ascii_butugychag;mod6: you recall how mine worked ? 1388531;1454084226;mircea_popescu;mod6 the only concern with "Separate but equal .wot dir root" is that you will end up in a fucking mess of /try1/.wot /tryn/.wot and mix and match them with actual builds takingpart in another place and sooner or later you'll cross them up, or your eyes will, and the net result will be that you run a different security protocol than you intended, on occasion, 1388532;1454084234;mircea_popescu;and overall a weakening of the entire security scheme 1388533;1454084265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00055965 = 31.984 BTC [+] {2} 1388534;1454084279;mircea_popescu;so how about the script expects to see .wot in a relative path to the project, and if it doesn't it aborts with an error. 1388535;1454084312;mircea_popescu;put the test sufficiently high up in the program flow you won't have bad things happen. 1388536;1454084320;mod6;that would be fine, but then we're in the situation where every single time that someone runs it for the first time, the script will fail with an error. 1388537;1454084325;mircea_popescu;yup. 1388538;1454084328;mod6;and that is not a one-button-push solution as you asked for. 1388539;1454084336;mircea_popescu;and that error should read "please put .wot sigs in /blabla/derpherp/.wot" 1388540;1454084345;ascii_butugychag;relative path mega-sucks 1388541;1454084350;mircea_popescu;uh. 1388542;1454084356;ascii_butugychag;i almost always find myself with fuck knows what at relative-path-depth-n 1388543;1454084364;ascii_butugychag;this was a common complaint about my rotor system also, recall 1388544;1454084372;ascii_butugychag;'whaddayamean i have to have the build tools 3 dirs out' 1388545;1454084385;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag well looky, the problem there was that the dir tree wasn't curated well. 1388546;1454084405;mircea_popescu;mod6 somehow in my contorted worldview what i just described does count as "push button" 1388547;1454084408;ascii_butugychag;i broke my head on this for a while, and settled on '~/.wot by default, user-specified wot whenever you want' when i did vtron. 1388548;1454084418;mircea_popescu;chiefly because I can aforehand know where i need to put the .wot and stick it in there. 1388549;1454084427;ascii_butugychag;~/.wot. 1388550;1454084440;ascii_butugychag;and if you don't do variant wots, it can live there permanently. 1388551;1454084463;ascii_butugychag;if you use variants - specify the variant each time, like the laws of man and god demand. 1388552;1454084476;ascii_butugychag;hand-cranked reactor controls ftw. 1388553;1454084492;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is actually a decent solution. 1388554;1454084537;mod6;ok so lets keep in mind that v99996 of V will only look for .wot in the current working directory unless told to look elsewhere for it explicitly. 1388555;1454084540;mircea_popescu;did the entire week long circuitous path start with me bitching / trying to improve on it ? 1388556;1454084560;ascii_butugychag;possibly 1388557;1454084564;mod6;and I think this is what we want. So we can stick with that, and probably not break anything -- i'll just move V & .wot outside of the rotor dir. 1388558;1454084578;mircea_popescu;i'm quickly building a reputation for a wrecker of trb aren't i ! 1388559;1454084591;mircea_popescu;mod6 alrighty, seems it's teh consensus here. 1388560;1454084594;ascii_butugychag;having relative wots inevitably leads to keeping 10,001 copies of wot 1388561;1454084601;ascii_butugychag;and all of the attendant breakages 1388562;1454084611;mircea_popescu;no i finally see the light. 1388563;1454084615;ascii_butugychag;l0l ok 1388564;1454084637;*;ascii_butugychag read the mega-patch-of-all-ages yet ? 1388565;1454084642;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu rather 1388566;1454084650;mod6;that's probably more acceptable than the following: ~/.wot by default (in the script) or stopping the script mid-processing to require human action (action should be taken prior to execution) 1388567;1454084658;mircea_popescu;no dawg, im not done wioth the logs. then reading the #eulora logs which by now are even longer. 1388568;1454084662;ascii_butugychag;l0lok 1388569;1454084669;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeh. 1388570;1454084671;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 alrighty, seems it's teh consensus here. << ok lemme put this together, and will post in here for you guys to review, and people to test. 1388571;1454084677;mod6;:] 1388572;1454084697;*;ascii_butugychag much appreciates the labours of mod6 1388573;1454084705;mircea_popescu;hey mod6 how would you rate working with b-a vs working with job people ? are we just as enervating ye t? 1388574;1454084774;mircea_popescu;if anyone recalls that joke about how mathematician is the only man who tells mistress he's with wife, tells wife he's with mistress, goes to woods with pen and paper to unwind... 1388575;1454084821;ascii_butugychag;^ 1388576;1454084894;mircea_popescu;me types three letters in editor, hits tabs a few times, is very confused when the required fill-in doesn't occur. 1388577;1454084899;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck is this piece of shit!" 1388578;1454084923;*;ascii_butugychag whispers 'learn emacs' 1388579;1454084937;ascii_butugychag;one of the 10,001 reasons why. 1388580;1454084955;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is emacs going to fill in with irc names. 1388581;1454084961;mircea_popescu;no, i'm not ircing in emacs ty. 1388582;1454084966;ascii_butugychag;will fill with whatever you like 1388583;1454084969;ascii_butugychag;no, for letters 1388584;1454084987;ascii_butugychag;you can specify a tag file it will fill from when tab(or your favourite other key)-completing. 1388585;1454084998;mircea_popescu;true. 1388586;1454085016;ascii_butugychag;i have this semi-automated, it is quite convenient 1388587;1454085084;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 how would you rate working with b-a vs working with job people ? are we just as enervating ye t? << this beats anything else I've ever encountered by a wide margin. 1388588;1454085122;mod6;b-a has honest and knowledgeable people who care about the innerworkings of the technology, on a low-level, as well as on a meta level. 1388589;1454085195;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you know automation of it is actually an unsolvable problem, do you ? 1388590;1454085196;mod6;I wouldn't trade what we have here for anything. If I could work it out, this is all I would do every day. 1388591;1454085217;mircea_popescu;hanbot hey were you making a trb current build ? 1388592;1454085220;mod6;Things are moving really fast here sometimes, and that can be hard to keep up with, but it's part of the deal. 1388593;1454085245;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1388594;1454085247;mircea_popescu;cool! 1388595;1454085253;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: notice i said 'semi-auto' 1388596;1454085269;ascii_butugychag;(fully automating just about anything is an invitation for meltdown) 1388597;1454085271;mircea_popescu;wanna bet you spent more time fucking around with the auto thereof than it saved you ? 1388598;1454085285;ascii_butugychag;it isn't about time as such 1388599;1454085289;mircea_popescu;right. 1388600;1454085290;ascii_butugychag;it is about avoiding flow disruption 1388601;1454085323;mircea_popescu;actually that's the first time someone brought a cogent, well thought out objection to the classic "programmers wanna play and so ruin productivity spending moe time on tools than the tools save" thing 1388602;1454085323;mod6;ok the new script, having V outside of the rotor dir seems to be building just fine so far... will update again when its complete, or if fails. 1388603;1454085332;ascii_butugychag;yes, it could take a whole hour to set up whatever, and i might die bfore it saves me a whole hour 1388604;1454085352;ascii_butugychag;BUT those 5 sec the old crud cost me every 15 min. were ~flow-destroying~. 1388605;1454085357;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: you should tell this to the leadership here who wants to automate all things. 1388606;1454085387;mod6;ascii_butugychag much appreciates the labours of mod6 << alf, you've put in a lot of effort too, and we all appreciate that very much. 1388607;1454085399;ascii_butugychag;ty mod6 1388608;1454085420;mod6;And honestly, I really look forward to working on these projects every day, and with all of you. :] 1388609;1454085422;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: notice how ~some~ programmers (india!) l00000ve repetitive crudwork. they produce glorious unrolled 10,0001-iteration loops, etc. 1388610;1454085433;ascii_butugychag;that is what comes of not-being-lazy 1388611;1454085450;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: d00d I have to upgrade to el capitan to scroll on the mouse?!?!? 1388612;1454085455;ascii_butugychag;a non-lazy programmer is about as useful as a sedentary sprinter 1388613;1454085460;thestringpuller;dafuq apple. 1388614;1454085472;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: install the 3rd party driver thing 1388615;1454085479;ascii_butugychag;'magicprefs' 1388616;1454085486;*;thestringpuller breaks his macbook and gets sane Lenovo. 1388617;1454085503;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: ahahahaha the one that won't suspend-mode, ah 1388618;1454085509;mod6;We've come a very long way, and we've still got some road ahead (we all know), but we can't have a republic with out the sovereigns participants who wish to make it. 1388619;1454085542;mod6;s/sovereigns/sovereign/ 1388620;1454085575;mod6;tl;dr we need all of you! you are what make the republic possible! 1388621;1454085604;mod6;I may have had too much coffee... 1388622;1454085609;mod6;haha 1388623;1454085614;mircea_popescu;hehe sometimes i'm tempted to order him some cake! 1388624;1454085654;mod6;That pie looked nice tho! 1388625;1454085673;ascii_butugychag;we have a whole kitchen devoted to coffee here 1388626;1454085678;ascii_butugychag;at rupture farms 1388627;1454085688;ascii_butugychag;i count 7 different kinds of pot 1388628;1454085699;thestringpuller;and coworkers make fun of me for using terminals and lightweight tools cause they "ain't pretty" the actual fuck. this is exactly why being a web developer is like slow torture. 1388629;1454085756;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388260 << there shall be no further fucking referencing. 1388630;1454085756;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 10:02:07; punkman: so shiva patch wholly includes the tinyscheme genesis instead of referencing it? 1388631;1454085780;mod6;anyway, speaking of great things (tm), shiva really was awesome to see working lastnight. very impressive stuff. i just gotta learn scheme now hahah. 1388632;1454085786;mod6;back to CompSci 101! 1388633;1454085790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00055969 = 5.5129 BTC [+] {2} 1388634;1454085827;mircea_popescu;i'd rather stop people in the street and ask them to make my women babies than reference whatever package maintained by nowot rando. 1388635;1454085837;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i closed the gap today, see the next patch. 1388636;1454085851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005597 = 1.7351 BTC [+] 1388637;1454085872;mircea_popescu;aite 1388638;1454085900;ascii_butugychag;(there was ~never~ referencing in my tinyscheme thing! it began with a vtronically nailed-down copy of known vintage from my own hdd, and proceeds from there.) 1388639;1454085925;punkman;it was like having two tinyscheme genesises 1388640;1454085936;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388269 << this is an issue more or less in suspensiopn atm, at the fundamental level. 1388641;1454085936;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 10:29:19; jurov: I know that i should manage the repository myself, but imo a version field would be good to have so that I can easily spot if someone posts revised version of the same patch. 1388642;1454085945;mod6;ascii_butugychag: i'll try to give your new patches a shot tonight. 1388643;1454085955;ascii_butugychag;punkman: now there is 1, from it flows contiguously into the shivatron 1388644;1454085955;BingoBoingo;For gasmask afficianados https://archive.is/pYHuj 1388645;1454085956;assbot;Minority Branches ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJTl9M ) 1388646;1454086019;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag mod6 if you wish to consider a general problem : what is the ~correct~ thing to do for vtron when it encounters two validly signed patches doing the same thing ? 1388647;1454086027;mircea_popescu;afaik atm it will apply both, in a random order ? 1388648;1454086034;mircea_popescu;(undefined order) 1388649;1454086041;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it will apply the one that you press to 1388650;1454086042;punkman;mod6, does perl have some good diff library so we could maybe implement sane renaming/deletions? 1388651;1454086056;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what do you mean "press to" ? 1388652;1454086076;mircea_popescu;yeah actually what punkman said too! 1388653;1454086083;mod6;punkman: good question, not sure at all. can try to take a peek once we get past the 1st. i've got stuff stacked to the celing right now 1388654;1454086118;ascii_butugychag;'press to' is how we specify which patches get applied to begin with 1388655;1454086130;mircea_popescu;no i know this. i'm trying to do design work here. 1388656;1454086152;ascii_butugychag;look at 'pressable' pull-handles as: degrees of freedom. 1388657;1454086153;*;mod6 ponders this question for a minute. 1388658;1454086155;punkman;you can't apply two patches that modify the same thing, at least in newer v.pl that checks hashes 1388659;1454086162;ascii_butugychag;the set of all possible pressings you can end up with 1388660;1454086167;mircea_popescu;right. 1388661;1454086215;ascii_butugychag;so if i submit frobs-x.vpatch and also-frobs-x.vpatch and they both reference patch frobbed-x-before.vpatch, then i can press to frob-x OR to also-frobs-x or to any other leaf. 1388662;1454086236;ascii_butugychag;it does not matter worth a lick that they do the same thing. 1388663;1454086242;mircea_popescu;the reason i question all this is because suddenly a possibility formed in my head, whereby v could have an equivalent of "longest chain". bitcoin does not follow THAT heuristic idly. but it must be said that a) it's a poorly defined heuristic and b) there are reasons. 1388664;1454086250;ascii_butugychag;it sure does 1388665;1454086259;ascii_butugychag;this was part of my design. 1388666;1454086262;mircea_popescu;merely inquiring what "longest chan" ACTUALLY MEANS is a major point of actually defining bitcoin\ 1388667;1454086270;ascii_butugychag;aha 1388668;1454086278;ascii_butugychag;and same in a vtronic animal 1388669;1454086287;mircea_popescu;(and we'll likely end up stuck in THIS sort of mud pits a lot more than i nthe "obvious" ones everyone thinks about) 1388670;1454086289;ascii_butugychag;'longest chain' is the trunk of the tree, where the sap flows. 1388671;1454086290;punkman;V doesn't have chain 1388672;1454086296;mircea_popescu;punkman not yet, no. 1388673;1454086363;ascii_butugychag;but i will note that introducing a new patch that is binary-identical to an old one, is an error. 1388674;1454086368;ascii_butugychag;and ought to signal error. 1388675;1454086379;ascii_butugychag;patches are binary-unique. 1388676;1454086401;mircea_popescu;approach thematter from the other, practical side, maybe it's easier that way. so i made a patch that did X, then i made a patch that did X'. i consider X' to be > X. 1388677;1454086406;punkman;what if two patches change two files respectively, with the same contents 1388678;1454086414;mircea_popescu;a) the presser might disagree and b) the V doesn't really distinguish 1388679;1454086419;ascii_butugychag;(and, as i explained very early on, cycled are an error, and anyone attempting to introduce a graph cycle deserves a good thrashing) 1388680;1454086420;punkman;(never mind, filenames) 1388681;1454086473;mircea_popescu;or to put it in different terms : currently the V is equivalent to a version of bitcoin where YOU are responsible for downloading blocks. it WILL verify them and form a chain, 1388682;1454086477;mircea_popescu;but it is your job to find the right ones. 1388683;1454086482;mircea_popescu;now. could IT find the right ones ? 1388684;1454086546;mircea_popescu;(for one thing : if IT could find the right ones, add that to gossipd and we have essentially built passive autonomous system software, ie, the evil ai.) 1388685;1454086561;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i spoke of this earlier today 1388686;1454086571;mircea_popescu;don't tell me tis in the log i didn't get to ? 1388687;1454086572;ascii_butugychag;( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388348 ) 1388688;1454086572;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 13:27:00; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388268 << absolutely not, the very notion is a violation of vtronics. NOW on the OTHER HAND - human-powered 'gardening' of the vtree is a perfectly fine thing. notice how mod6 is doing a splendid job of it. BUT conceivably it is also possible for archaeologists to take all of the orphaned crud i ever pasted and come up with a correct vtree 1388689;1454086579;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1388690;1454086582;ascii_butugychag;aha. 1388691;1454086591;mircea_popescu;dude... why the same day ? 1388692;1454086600;mircea_popescu;riddle me that sometime. what, brainwaves ? 1388693;1454086607;*;ascii_butugychag points out that he has been thinking about vtronics for a VERY long time. 1388694;1454086660;thestringpuller;ascii_butugychag: well magicprefs is throwin an error (has a triangle with exclamation mark in the top bar) 1388695;1454086667;mircea_popescu;so have i. which is what makes the conicidence interesting. 1388696;1454086676;mircea_popescu;like comatose patients waking up the same time. 1388697;1454086676;thestringpuller;y u do dis apple. I just want to use a mouse 1388698;1454086677;mod6;i wonder if we couldnt find 'the right ones' with some sort of merkle tree that represents the best chain. 1388699;1454086684;ascii_butugychag;thestringpuller: sacrifice a goat to satan 1388700;1454086688;mircea_popescu;mod6 or some sort of tree at ay rate! 1388701;1454086698;mircea_popescu;anyway. nightmare fuel. 1388702;1454086717;mod6;hehehe. interesting thoughts here today. i need to think on this stuff. 1388703;1454086748;mircea_popescu;now, one obvious solution (wasn't obvious to me at the time what it was a solution to) is to INCLUDE COMMENTS in the patches, like i did with my only signed patch i didn't really intended as part of a final pressing 1388704;1454086771;mircea_popescu;this way the human gardener can review and arbitrate the matter and i (at least hopefully) won't get negrated for it breaking shit. 1388705;1454086773;ascii_butugychag;aha, the format allows for it 1388706;1454086791;mircea_popescu;so at the least a hook for human debugging to save us from cold equationism IS provided. 1388707;1454086816;ascii_butugychag;but in point of fact, the v-chain aspect prevents a mistake from catastrophically breaking the world 1388708;1454086821;ascii_butugychag;it simply gets orphaned. 1388709;1454086825;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1388710;1454086825;BingoBoingo; thestringpuller: sacrifice a goat to satan << It's heretic apple, gotta sacrifice satan to a goat since woz is gone. 1388711;1454086831;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 1388712;1454086832;mod6;not to worry about your signed genesis tho - i gardened it out. the mirror just has the right one. 1388713;1454086834;ascii_butugychag;i posted probably the most kB of unusable but validly signed crapolade to the ml 1388714;1454086847;mircea_popescu;and most of it improperly commented, also! 1388715;1454086849;ascii_butugychag;but none of it would break a single bolt anywhere 1388716;1454086856;ascii_butugychag;because not longest vchain. 1388717;1454086869;mircea_popescu;you do a miserable job of comments, btw. the thing with "only four bit state" has its disadvantages. 1388718;1454086873;mircea_popescu;YOU NEED NUANCE ALFIE! 1388719;1454086893;ascii_butugychag;if had moar time, would write beautiful illuminated manuscripts, sure. 1388720;1454086903;ascii_butugychag;as it is, a single day's worth of shiva took a fucking week 1388721;1454086913;mircea_popescu;yeah, there is that. 1388722;1454086928;ascii_butugychag;shave half of face, submit patch, shave other half, etc 1388723;1454087004;mod6;as far as comments in the vpatch that are mearly just for archaeological or annotative purposes, i think something could be done here especially when we get our own diff/patch. 1388724;1454087026;punkman;comments work in gnudiff too 1388725;1454087029;ascii_butugychag;mod6: gnudiff is a miserable straightjacket (see earlier monologue re: renaming) 1388726;1454087055;ascii_butugychag;ideally a vtron ought to be able to apply ANY well-defined operation 1388727;1454087062;mod6;yup, eventually this could be a thing though, if we build our own tool 1388728;1454087067;ascii_butugychag;so, e.g., mircea_popescu's retabbing, would be a five-line patch 1388729;1454087079;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1388730;1454087094;punkman;ascii_butugychag: how would we shorten the retabbing? 1388731;1454087105;mod6;<+ascii_butugychag> ideally a vtron ought to be able to apply ANY well-defined operation << ok sure, this could be a separate feature of V i guess... have to think on this. 1388732;1454087108;ascii_butugychag;turing-complete vtron 1388733;1454087113;punkman;ah 1388734;1454087127;punkman;well that'd be a fun rabbit hole 1388735;1454087138;ascii_butugychag;all rabit holes go to same place. 1388736;1454087152;mircea_popescu;<ascii_butugychag> ideally a vtron ought to be able to apply ANY well-defined operation << quite this, tho we might have to get there in steps. 1388737;1454087156;mod6;im just excited to use something called 'sexpr' 1388738;1454087178;punkman;sexpurr 1388739;1454087189;mod6;:D 1388740;1454087198;shinohai;<.< 1388741;1454087214;mircea_popescu;in other sexpr news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/d4910e319712ed64e6a0d1be330bb652/tumblr_nva2x0Ofxa1uxo5jwo1_1280.jpg 1388742;1454087215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJVp1r ) 1388743;1454087469;ascii_butugychag;i'ma have to come up with a slime for shiva, incidentally 1388744;1454087479;ascii_butugychag;(this is mentioned obliquely in the shiva.cpp commments) 1388745;1454087495;ascii_butugychag;maybe this is a ben_vulpes job 1388746;1454087507;ascii_butugychag;(or adlai ?) 1388747;1454087516;ascii_butugychag;do we have any adlai patches yet ? 1388748;1454087528;ascii_butugychag;;;later tell adlai wanna become a hero ? 1388749;1454087528;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1388750;1454087545;mod6;i've gotta take a crash course in scheme very quickly or I won't be able to make heads or tails out of these code submissions. eek! 1388751;1454087568;ascii_butugychag;mod6: fortunately it is the world's simplest, possibly, usable language 1388752;1454087587;adlai;mod6: you're already making lisp jokes, even if you don't get them yet! 1388753;1454087622;mod6;hehehe. 1388754;1454087632;ascii_butugychag;adlai: i implanted a scheme runtime in a trb. 1388755;1454087638;adlai;(head . tail) === (car . cdr) etc 1388756;1454087659;mod6;how much does actual scheme differ from common lisp or lisp? can i get a book for lisp (whatever latest megabook alf has posted recently) or do I need a scheme specific book? 1388757;1454087682;adlai;ascii_butugychag: yes, i've been following along quietly. not sure what you mean by "a slime", literally interpreted this is rather meaningless as most of the swank-backends is highly CL specific stuff... i guess you mean a less literal interpretation :) 1388758;1454087684;mircea_popescu;not that much 1388759;1454087686;ascii_butugychag;differs in a number of ways 1388760;1454087698;adlai;!s sicp 1388761;1454087699;assbot;18 results for 'sicp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sicp 1388762;1454087700;ascii_butugychag;mainly in being 'lisp-1' 1388763;1454087705;ascii_butugychag;sicp is THE b00k. 1388764;1454087708;ascii_butugychag;mega-recommended. 1388765;1454087713;mod6;thats the one 'eh. thx guise. 1388766;1454087730;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, phree on vendor site. 1388767;1454087758;mod6;is this the one? https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html << MIT?!?! 1388768;1454087759;assbot;Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkcUVL ) 1388769;1454087782;ascii_butugychag;adlai: 'a slime' in the sense of plugging an emacs session straight into the interpreter, with 'eval-region', 'eval current sexpr', as well as separate pane with repl, etc. 1388770;1454087786;mircea_popescu;mit used to be a very respectable institution, merely a few decades ago. 1388771;1454087793;ascii_butugychag;aha 1388772;1454087795;mircea_popescu;just like oxford used to matter at some point in its history. 1388773;1454087803;mod6;werd. 1388774;1454087832;ascii_butugychag;mod6: i mark the demise of mit as the moment when they abolished the sicp course 1388775;1454087841;mircea_popescu;(different field, but same principle - you to this day can't beat literature as read at oxford cca 1880ish, just like you can't really beat it from mit cca 1960. the latter branch is obvious here, but the former'd be just as obvious in a literature-powered ba) 1388776;1454087864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143150 @ 0.00055762 = 79.8233 BTC [-] {6} 1388777;1454087870;mod6;ascii_butugychag: interesting they would abolish teaching something they created. 1388778;1454087879;mircea_popescu;not "they". 1388779;1454087892;mircea_popescu;this is like saying that the nignog "egyptians" abolishing the pyramids is "something they created" 1388780;1454087898;mircea_popescu;look at the statues, entirely different people. 1388781;1454087918;adlai;mod6: new-MIT decided that s/scheme/python/ would welp more fungible cogs 1388782;1454087927;mod6;mircea_popescu: makes sense. 1388783;1454087936;mod6;adlai: ah, right. 1388784;1454087949;adlai;this was literally their justification 1388785;1454087957;mod6;heheheh. 1388786;1454087973;adlai;maybe they didn't use the words 'fungible' and 'cog', but it was justified as what junior devs need to pass interviews 1388787;1454087978;mod6;aight, i better get me some lunch to soak up this coffee. bbs. 1388788;1454088008;mod6;(build is still going, hopefully will be done soon - will let you all know. salud!) 1388789;1454088059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388299 << this is actually not a half bad idea for a sort of "sauron" mode. 1388790;1454088059;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 11:31:05; punkman: ideally turdatron would press all the possible HEADs and let us see them in lxr 1388791;1454088063;mircea_popescu;which may be needed now and again. 1388792;1454088072;adlai;ascii_butugychag: might be smoother sailing to start off from comint-mode and work upwards, rather than trying to fit slime onto so different a backend 1388793;1454088487;ascii_butugychag;!s sussman 1388794;1454088488;assbot;23 results for 'sussman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sussman 1388795;1454088505;ascii_butugychag;he wrote a formal letter of surrender to the rot 1388796;1454088512;ascii_butugychag;which is imho an important historical document 1388797;1454088516;ascii_butugychag;marking the permanent end of mit 1388798;1454088520;ascii_butugychag;as a cultural institution. 1388799;1454088556;ascii_butugychag;(sussman and abelson were the creators of scheme, authors of sicp, and taught the course) 1388800;1454088657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00056037 = 21.0139 BTC [+] {3} 1388801;1454088765;ascii_butugychag;;;google sussman cowardly surrender 1388802;1454088766;gribble;Why MIT switched from Scheme to Python | Hacker News: ; Why Did M.I.T. Switch from Scheme to Python? | Hacker News: ; Video Shows Washington Cops Executing Fleeing Man - PINAC News: 1388803;1454088774;ascii_butugychag;first link. 1388804;1454088780;phf;there are slime backends for schemes, the one for mit/scheme locs 800, but probably includes inspect and support for restarts, which are not needed for poc 1388805;1454088794;phf;i briefly looked at writing a backend for pre-shiva tinyscheme, but it lacks network ports 1388806;1454088808;ascii_butugychag;phf: i have a patch for adding actual tcp to ts 1388807;1454088826;ascii_butugychag;but imho this is not needed yet. 1388808;1454088861;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: these lisp tentacles are rather spiffy 1388809;1454088917;*;adlai sets aside comint-mode, seems dead-end idea 1388810;1454088920;adlai;!up ascii_butugychag 1388811;1454088940;phf;is the approach to spin up thread/socket on trb side? current "telnet" could be extended to swank protocol 1388812;1454088955;phf;adlai: contrib/swank-mit-scheme.scm 1388813;1454088956;ascii_butugychag;phf: precisely what i did. see the code. 1388814;1454088991;ascii_butugychag;current thing is useless for swank though because it spins up a fresh lisp for each connection 1388815;1454089000;ascii_butugychag;this will have to be dealt with 1388816;1454089002;adlai;phf: comint (and slime's maximal comfort zone) is for interacting with inferior processes that emacs spawn 1388817;1454089025;adlai;`slime-connect` is a better starting point 1388818;1454089092;adlai;slime's repl and inspector contribs are the most relevant bits 1388819;1454089130;phf;adlai: i have no idea what you're trying to say 1388820;1454089192;adlai;slime is a massive turd, most of which is totally irrelevant for shiva (unless bitcoin-os is planned to serve as yet another example of Greenspun's 10th) 1388821;1454089216;phf;ok. 1388822;1454089349;ascii_butugychag;adlai: satan forbid we use any code actually ~in~ slime !!11 1388823;1454089358;ascii_butugychag;was trying to describe the ~idea~ to n00bz. 1388824;1454089361;adlai;the subset of "all slime functionality", which do seem to me relevant for shiva, are the repl (history, presentations), the fancy-inspector (designed for CLOS objects, might be neutered+mutated deal with C++), and perhaps sldb 1388825;1454089383;ascii_butugychag;typing straight into a shell SUCKS 1388826;1454089385;adlai;ascii_butugychag: sure, i'm taking slime-the-~idea~ and trying to "take away everything that doesn't look like an elephant" 1388827;1454089456;adlai;to me, and i imagine to programmers who have done CL work recently, "slime" means a lot of things that you do NOT want 1388828;1454089477;*;adlai also wanders off to eat 1388829;1454089545;ascii_butugychag;adlai: to me it simply means 'i don't have to leave my editor and FUCK NO I AM NEVER pasting code into a motherfucking shell 10000000 time a day' 1388830;1454089652;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag> this will have to be dealt with << doesn't seem terribly hard. 1388831;1454089683;ascii_butugychag;it is a little tricky 1388832;1454089695;ascii_butugychag;because right now a lisp terminates if it loses its i/o pipe 1388833;1454089713;ascii_butugychag;whereas a persistent lisp will need a reconnectable pipe and this will require surgery inside tinyscheme's intestines 1388834;1454089729;ascii_butugychag;also it will need some means of restarting it if the repl is hosed 1388835;1454089731;mircea_popescu;was just saying in principle, should be doable. 1388836;1454089742;ascii_butugychag;doable yes. but in the same sense as the thing i just did, was doable. 1388837;1454089749;mircea_popescu;right. 1388838;1454089755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13121 @ 0.00056042 = 7.3533 BTC [+] {2} 1388839;1454089922;BingoBoingo;pre-collapse MIT nostalgia http://funcall.blogspot.com/2009/03/not-lisp-again.html 1388840;1454089923;assbot;Abstract Heresies: Not Lisp again.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PF9dnR ) 1388841;1454090060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41450 @ 0.00056174 = 23.2841 BTC [+] {4} 1388842;1454090182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48214 @ 0.00055527 = 26.7718 BTC [-] {4} 1388843;1454090243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85586 @ 0.00054357 = 46.522 BTC [-] {3} 1388844;1454090250;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: once you understand how scheme's tail call optimization works, you are well on your way to actually grasping the thing 1388845;1454090275;ascii_butugychag;(if you have the patience, watch the films, even, they are interesting in a number of ways incl. historically) 1388846;1454090382;BingoBoingo;ascii_butugychag: I guess I got to now. Shiva represents first serious mega-weaponized divergence of trb from prb 1388847;1454090466;pete_dushenski;;;later tell danielpbarron please to point ms. peck (https://twitter.com/morgenpeck) to http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/letter-to-morgen-e-peck-january-29-2016.txt using all your grace and charm. cheers! 1388848;1454090467;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PFajQr ) 1388849;1454090467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1388850;1454090650;phf;i'm confused about how v presses. i thought it was along the shortest path, but it actually does topological sort and then works with resulting list. so if my topo is a b d c f and i ask to press c, then i get a b d c? 1388851;1454090654;ascii_butugychag;BingoBoingo: not really divergence 1388852;1454090660;ascii_butugychag;it's a laboratory instrument 1388853;1454090675;ascii_butugychag;phf: correct 1388854;1454090752;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ironically, consider the historical aspect. vc's strategic mistake to NOT submit early and well ensured that they don't have a voice at the one time it'd have mattered. now they're getting locked out of bitcoin, which means computing, and what'll mit do, switch back to scheme because THAT is what junior devs will need to get jobs ? 1388855;1454090754;shinohai;!up ascii_butugychag 1388856;1454090776;mircea_popescu;you can't switch back. once you've decided to take the hardwood floor and light your stove with it, you can't then decide to take stove ash and make a floor. 1388857;1454090820;ascii_butugychag;^ 1388858;1454090840;mircea_popescu;and so... nobody could have foreseen all the way to chad. 1388859;1454090872;mircea_popescu;phf yeah exactly. 1388860;1454090914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59150 @ 0.00054424 = 32.1918 BTC [+] {3} 1388861;1454090916;mircea_popescu;the shortest path thing is not only premature optimization but also a very mangled sort of heuristic. 1388862;1454090933;mircea_popescu;it DOES work for bitcoin (in blockchain terms it's "longest chain"), but altogether it's not clear WHY it works 1388863;1454090956;mircea_popescu;(or even WHETHER it actually works. hence all the - equally unexamined and inept - prb derpage about "blessed" chains) 1388864;1454090972;mircea_popescu;that came in a few different flavours historically, and amusingly all unaware of their communion and unadressing it. 1388865;1454091161;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388376 << lulz. /me wonders if this "would-be defendent" resides in tmsr~ 1388866;1454091161;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 14:36:41; BingoBoingo: And the lolz roll on https://i.imgur.com/Q2X24B7.png 1388867;1454091164;phf;if i have files a b and patches x y z, x is genesis, y does a->a', z does b->b', topo sort x z y. if i were to ask for y press, i also get z, whether i need it or not. conversly if i press z, i don't get y. 1388868;1454091172;punkman;phf, my "shortest path" algo is to recursively find all antecedents of the patch I want to press. it's useful. 1388869;1454091241;mircea_popescu;phf in the example you gave the implication is you NEED z. 1388870;1454091245;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388373 << if you're syncing, try `-connect` 1388871;1454091245;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 14:29:59; PeterL: my node is syncing, seemed to be getting tons of junk. I restarted it, using -addnode with the nodes from the wiki, seems to be going good again. 1388872;1454091252;mircea_popescu;if you didn't need Z then y should have been x' 1388873;1454091328;mircea_popescu;im sorry, i mean : if you didn't need y, then y should have been z'. 1388874;1454091506;phf;so in the above example x y z are distinct patches, their effect is to take files through states, a, a', a". so if a patch takes a->a', then it needs a in genesis. if a patch takes a'->a" then it needs genesis and a->a' patch. i was trying to indicate that y and z modify two separate files, i'm trying to see what is there that indicates that state (a' b') is desirable over (a' b) 1388875;1454091508;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388324 <<< the end point, of course, whether is obvious or not, is to fix the half-assed braindamage that are the coin scripts. 1388876;1454091508;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 13:20:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388189 << i must say also that this is not why i wrote it, originally. this was an attempt at an online debugger, so i can interactively play with tx in mempool, issue db queries, etc. 1388877;1454091567;phf;right now it seems like an artifact of topo sort 1388878;1454091573;mircea_popescu;phf nothing in the physical situation as you describe it indicates that. nevertheless, the implicit meaning in how the topo sort owrks is that you need a to a' for b to b' to be meaningful. this could be because one is .h and the other .cpp, fopr instance, or becauise other stuff is coming later or for any other reason 1388879;1454091596;mircea_popescu;because people didn't make both y and z first level nodes of x, people are indicating that whether you know why or not, you need a->a' for b->b'. 1388880;1454091641;mircea_popescu;nothing of course prevents you from taking z and rebasing it as a first level node off x. 1388881;1454091768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00055788 = 15.3975 BTC [+] 1388882;1454091787;phf;a way to indicate (a->a' b->b') would normally be to include them both in a single patch. i think that's how it's done now 1388883;1454091812;mircea_popescu;yes but we for very good reason do not want multi-issue patches. 1388884;1454091835;mircea_popescu;so in full terms, i would say that again, including both in the same patch is both premature optimization and a kludge. 1388885;1454091844;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388495 << 'rat9' is ~c$170... 1388886;1454091844;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 16:06:03; thestringpuller: how you gonna sell a mouse for 60 bucks 1388887;1454091848;mircea_popescu;just, in a metaprogramming sense that did not exist prior to V putting light on the issue. 1388888;1454091850;mircea_popescu;at least afaik. 1388889;1454091885;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: rat9 suxx, you can have mine for the cost of postage 1388890;1454091891;ascii_butugychag;fuicking nonstandard crud 1388891;1454091897;ascii_butugychag;won't function reliably on any linux box. 1388892;1454091909;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: nor on osx 10.6 ! 1388893;1454091924;pete_dushenski;i have one. it's for sale on local classifieds 1388894;1454091973;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: supposedly there is an x11 patch to make it go 1388895;1454091976;ascii_butugychag;but i just can't be arsed 1388896;1454092027;mircea_popescu;polarbeard : 1388897;1454092028;mircea_popescu;. i'm with punkman in that if you're going to prefix in that much detail, there's going to have to be some sort of filtering scheme. i'm not with him that flags are the solution, it just seems an ad-hoc hack unix did that got carried forward. i'm still partial to my multi-logfiles idea, fwiw. altogether a lot more thought must be put into "how to structure" this, but sadly it depends on a fully specified bitcoin, so it 1388898;1454092028;mircea_popescu;'s just going to have to tandem for a while. 1388899;1454092028;mircea_popescu;. i'm with ben_v (and apparently ascii too) in that it's really best practice to make patches small and issue-focused. it's not just a matter of review, it's to ease future rebasing and so on. as antidesign it may seem to you personally on the basis of workflow, this is one of those things where individual has to take a small step back to allow society altogether to exist. 1388900;1454092047;mircea_popescu;so plox, restate that as a chain. 1388901;1454092081;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: nor i. rat9 looked spiffy but chewed through swappable battery in ~5 hours. even when 'worked' it twitched and jumped and spasmed and triggered all kinds of inane shit. couldn't even highlight menu bar drop-downs. 1388902;1454092185;mircea_popescu;you two made me google that damned thing. seriously, a mouse ? 1388903;1454092195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136500 @ 0.0005443 = 74.297 BTC [-] {5} 1388904;1454092195;ascii_butugychag;i got one as a gift from an old chum 1388905;1454092196;punkman;mircea_popescu: so how would you split polarbeard's patch? 1388906;1454092214;ascii_butugychag;it is heavy, metal, has screws and ratchets for adjustment, etc. 1388907;1454092216;ascii_butugychag;looked spiffy 1388908;1454092220;ascii_butugychag;but then i plugged it in... 1388909;1454092227;mircea_popescu;punkman the rotating log fix separate from the rest, for one thing. 1388910;1454092270;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it bothered me that polarbeard apparently does not yet fully grasp that every line he writes is a unit of ~work~ for other people to do. 1388911;1454092273;ascii_butugychag;hard work. 1388912;1454092287;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of stuff in there that will necessarily result in a huge patch (the guy is stuck, willy-nilly, doing a lot of 1388913;1454092287;mircea_popescu;- return error("CBlock::WriteToDisk() : ftell failed"); 1388914;1454092287;mircea_popescu;1601+ return error(SBLK "failure wrting block file %d to disk due invalid stream position", nFileRet); 1388915;1454092288;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: the patch ended up being a bit verbose, yep, but it made sense to me fixing the messages as I was adding metadata, that's why I didn't add filtering, to not add actual logic to an already pretty big patch 1388916;1454092293;mircea_popescu;which is VERY commendable. 1388917;1454092303;mircea_popescu;but it's also immense and should all be one single patch so we can see it more readily. 1388918;1454092318;ascii_butugychag;the way to reduce the work is to NOT DISRUPT FLOW 1388919;1454092323;ascii_butugychag;1 kind of thing - must be together 1388920;1454092333;mircea_popescu;polarbeard yeah, you get the right idea, but seriously, making a single patch consisting of JUST -return error +return error is the right way 1388921;1454092334;ascii_butugychag;so i can ask the same question, line after line, for a whole patch 1388922;1454092347;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag has a good rule of thumb there. 1388923;1454092350;polarbeard;also I thought you can dump to console and grep until we reach consensus on how we want to do the actual log splitting and filtering 1388924;1454092367;mircea_popescu;note that the only way i got my apparently very controversial /s /t patch to even be considered was showing how it could be machined. 1388925;1454092380;mircea_popescu;polarbeard that part is fine, yes. 1388926;1454092393;mircea_popescu;note however you should dump to file not to console. because otherwise mess of tee's 1388927;1454092437;polarbeard;mess of tees? 1388928;1454092467;mircea_popescu;yes, if you just dump into console i'm going to have to pipe the program throuygh a bunch of different greps 1388929;1454092475;punkman;polarbeard: the thing usually runs as a daemon 1388930;1454092477;polarbeard;oh no, just one and one tee 1388931;1454092487;mircea_popescu;depends how many greps i want lol. 1388932;1454092498;polarbeard;xargs -I'@' sh -c 'echo \"@\" |cut -d\" \" -f1,3- | tee \$(echo \"@\" | cut -d\" \" -f2)' 1388933;1454092506;polarbeard;for the priority 1388934;1454092525;polarbeard;one field forward for the category, if you want both then yes, more piping 1388935;1454092536;mircea_popescu;the point is that people running bitcoind have a whole array of measures, which mostly work as cat logfile | mess 1388936;1454092569;mircea_popescu;or whatevs, tail logfile | mess for teh realtime stuff 1388937;1454092571;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1388938;1454092578;polarbeard;yeah, I understand people don't want to run rube-goldberg machines 1388939;1454092627;thestringpuller;In other DERP, gavin apparently didn't read the hard fork missile crisis: http://gavinandresen.ninja/minority-branches 1388940;1454092668;polarbeard;I'm open to suggestions but now I'm a bit saturated of this, I'll somewhere else for some days... 1388941;1454092677;polarbeard;*look 1388942;1454092680;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: one of the items i have in mind for shivafication is sane event logging 1388943;1454092693;ascii_butugychag;(who/what/where/when etc) 1388944;1454092803;polarbeard;punkman: yes, the rube-goldberg pipe was inteded to be used as a nohup'd tail on debug.log 1388945;1454093040;thestringpuller;"And minoritycoins will be worth much less than majoritycoins, because they are worse in every practical way. They take longer to confirm, fewer people accept them for payment, they are protected by less hash power, and they are much more difficult to transact safely." << Not if majority coin is sunk early on and money flees to minority coin. What "actual" economists is this d00d hanging out with that "vetted his scaling propos 1388946;1454093263;mircea_popescu;polarbeard don't get this wrong, you did a lot of very useful work in that patch. 1388947;1454093287;mircea_popescu;the best way forward, imo, is to restructure it as 1) one large patch consisting of nothing but the return fixes and some smaller patches doing the rest of the stuff built on top of that. 1388948;1454093330;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller minority coins may be "worse in every practical way", but they are BETTER in the only way that matters : minority doesn't inflate, majority does. 1388949;1454093344;mircea_popescu;THIS is how bitcoin, the "minority coin" par excellence, kicked fiat's teeth in. 1388950;1454093360;mircea_popescu;and this is how bitcoin will continue to kick the teeth in of any sort of fiat, no matter how superficially bitcoinized. 1388951;1454093384;mircea_popescu;specifically because "majority is better than minority in every practical way" except the one way that actually matters, which the majority is never willing to confront. 1388952;1454093414;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388847 << done https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/693136384710840321 1388953;1454093414;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 18:01:06; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to point ms. peck (https://twitter.com/morgenpeck) to http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/letter-to-morgen-e-peck-january-29-2016.txt using all your grace and charm. cheers! 1388954;1454093433;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: you're the best :D 1388955;1454093476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00056045 = 25.5565 BTC [+] {2} 1388956;1454093492;mircea_popescu;polarbeard make sense ? 1388957;1454093548;polarbeard;mircea_popescu: yep, will come back with a task-unified group of patches 1388958;1454093566;mircea_popescu;ty. 1388959;1454093575;polarbeard;np 1388960;1454093611;mircea_popescu;i'm slowly discovering what an IMMENSE help to debugging and code maintenance this thematic unity thing is, incidentally. 1388961;1454093619;mircea_popescu;jesus god how did people manage codebases pre v. 1388962;1454093657;polarbeard;usually there is a lot of blind trust involved 1388963;1454093664;polarbeard;I appreciate this way though 1388964;1454093669;ascii_butugychag;with raw walrus skins, and bare teeth 1388965;1454093737;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: note how i cut the shiva patch in 2 1388966;1454093740;ascii_butugychag;for thematic unity 1388967;1454093742;mircea_popescu;aha. 1388968;1454093766;ascii_butugychag;(i.e. part 1 can be mechanically-litmused: 'this only adds the ts genesis material') 1388969;1454093788;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the other point : even if scheme does in the end become an integral part of sane error management a) his work is very important for providing the structure that'll illuminate that and b) will prolly be mostly reused strings in different wrapping anyway. 1388970;1454093793;mircea_popescu;so there's no conflict there. 1388971;1454093834;pete_dushenski;bbl 1388972;1454093856;ascii_butugychag;i see nothing wrong with cleaning up classical error handlers, etc, so long as it is done in line with the flow principle described earlier. 1388973;1454093873;ascii_butugychag;(and questions like 'is this ONLY a format change' ought to be answerable mechatronically) 1388974;1454093895;mircea_popescu;well i'm not willing to stake on that, because what the fuck do you know we'll discover. but at least as an expected ideal, yeah. 1388975;1454093935;ascii_butugychag;the overall idea i am trying to teach is that anybody changing a line of trb ought to be mindful of the work this creates for others 1388976;1454093945;ascii_butugychag;and respect the worth of the time. 1388977;1454093975;ascii_butugychag;i originally did not publish the thing that is now shiva because i was not comfortable with asking friends to read 5,000 lines of tinyscheme. 1388978;1454093981;ascii_butugychag;and still not sure if anyone will do it 1388979;1454094013;ascii_butugychag;properly digesting c crud is heavy work. 1388980;1454094078;punkman;we need a reading guide 1388981;1454094126;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Letter to Morgen E. Peck, freelance writer - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/29/letter-to-morgen-e-peck-freelance-writer/ 1388982;1454094160;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag this harkens back to such a more lovely time in the computer lab. 1388983;1454094275;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388601 << /me is astonished this needed articulating 1388984;1454094275;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 16:35:23; mircea_popescu: actually that's the first time someone brought a cogent, well thought out objection to the classic "programmers wanna play and so ruin productivity spending moe time on tools than the tools save" thing 1388985;1454094293;mircea_popescu;why ? 1388986;1454094323;ben_vulpes;imagine you have to wait for your cane to become useful for a minute randomly during a beating 1388987;1454094327;mircea_popescu;in other spuriously articulated news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/dd1de06b21cc8b41a66decb40820dda3/tumblr_nwspbs40Ru1uo6eclo1_1280.jpg 1388988;1454094328;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYXbpL ) 1388989;1454094330;ben_vulpes;you'd probably snap the thing in half 1388990;1454094385;mircea_popescu;or keep one running at all times, or or or. 1388991;1454094391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00054645 = 11.5301 BTC [-] 1388992;1454094399;mircea_popescu;punishment doesn't necessarily have to be a spur of a moment thing, i'm not training dogs. 1388993;1454094409;ben_vulpes;no - /in session/. 1388994;1454094415;ben_vulpes;running cane - demands pause. 1388995;1454094444;mircea_popescu;i'd prolly end up with multiple timed canesa 1388996;1454094448;ben_vulpes;programming similarly is not a supur of the moment. 1388997;1454094449;mircea_popescu;like old style shooters 1388998;1454094460;ben_vulpes;spur* of the moment exercise. 1388999;1454094460;mircea_popescu;have a girl on the side to reload 'em 1389000;1454094470;mircea_popescu;sounds like actually an improvbement over current caning best practices. 1389001;1454094482;ben_vulpes;but the w4ste! 1389002;1454094493;ben_vulpes;a whole gurl just to supply extra canes in case yours hangs?! 1389003;1454094496;mircea_popescu;hey, the whole thing's predicated on productive waste. 1389004;1454094509;mircea_popescu;that what female enslavement is all about in the first place. 1389005;1454094518;ben_vulpes;just wait the thirty seconds randomly five times per event, having a spare on hand will never pay off. 1389006;1454094524;mircea_popescu;like any other intellectual endeavour to date. 1389007;1454094540;mircea_popescu;it does pay off because of teh social roles. 1389008;1454094553;ben_vulpes;the fifteen second interruption has mega cognitive costs. 1389009;1454094564;mircea_popescu;this is what he said. 1389010;1454094570;ben_vulpes;it is the hole through which distraction slips in and focus dribbles out. 1389011;1454094591;ben_vulpes;automation is productive waste. 1389012;1454094599;ben_vulpes;it was inadequately articulated for my taste. 1389013;1454094618;ben_vulpes;and deserves more of a place in the lgos. 1389014;1454094621;ben_vulpes;anyways. 1389015;1454094708;mircea_popescu;all the shit you boys do just to get to pretend like you don't need any adhd meds. 1389016;1454094732;mod6;ok folks, my build succeeded with the changes to moving V outside of the rotor directory. 1389017;1454094744;mod6;here are my changes, please review and try this out: 1389018;1454094745;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2WQCDKX.txt 1389019;1454094746;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYY6GB ) 1389020;1454094789;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1389021;1454094815;mod6;you just need to create a .wot dir and place keys in there, then (in the same directory do this): `./build-bitcoind-v99996.sh` 1389022;1454094925;hanbot;oh hey. mod6, i'm ezbake-ovening that now! 1389023;1454095015;mod6;the one I just posted? 1389024;1454095022;ascii_butugychag;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388982 << how's that 1389025;1454095022;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 19:02:40; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this harkens back to such a more lovely time in the computer lab. 1389026;1454095071;ascii_butugychag;mod6: neato! 1389027;1454095094;ascii_butugychag;i confess that i've been using my ancient vtron. but will prolly switch to mod6's industrial-strength one very soon 1389028;1454095113;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag you know, "thinking of the work this means". 1389029;1454095116;hanbot;mod6> the one I just posted? << yeah 1389030;1454095131;mod6;hanbot: ok awesome. let me know how it goes. 1389031;1454095136;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: ah! 1389032;1454095138;hanbot;will do 1389033;1454095161;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: do you recall the article you wrote about the meaning of money ? 1389034;1454095164;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388379 << lmao that is pretty much the picture-perfect image of what makes any lawyer retch. 1389035;1454095164;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 14:41:47; BingoBoingo: In other feelings https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343716.msg13712823#msg13712823 1389036;1454095170;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag aha 1389037;1454095172;ascii_butugychag;the one about what jobs you were willing to take when you were a consultant 1389038;1454095181;ascii_butugychag;so... that. 1389039;1454095194;mircea_popescu;yeah but it folk's been whores for so many years now... 1389040;1454095208;ascii_butugychag;whores come in 10,001 breeds 1389041;1454095215;mircea_popescu;this is also true. 1389042;1454095254;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388381 << dude writing that formed his ideas about the world watching cheap tv entertainment. "chinese" is this sole guy, very polite, slanty eyes. 1389043;1454095254;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 14:42:20; PeterL: are chinese miners some sort of unit that all must act together? 1389044;1454095260;mod6;trinque shinohai ben_vulpes polarbeard & anyone else who wants to test the new V & buildscript [v99996]: http://dpaste.com/2WQCDKX.txt 1389045;1454095262;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYY6GB ) 1389046;1454095267;ascii_butugychag;i just brought a set of sparse matrices to orgasm, for instance 1389047;1454095298;mircea_popescu;in what notation ? 1389048;1454095315;ascii_butugychag;buncha gmp calls, in c. 1389049;1454095318;*;trinque tips hat to mod6 1389050;1454095325;mircea_popescu;what, no pagelong paranthesises ? 1389051;1454095339;ascii_butugychag;at the other end of the sausage-maker - precisely them 1389052;1454095392;ascii_butugychag;perhaps when mircea_popescu wrote 'it folks have become whores' he was thinking of 'crack whore' 1389053;1454095412;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388394 << current wisdom is mere dos through resource exhaustion 1389054;1454095412;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 14:55:07; trinque: there is a kiss of death for btcd which halts it in its tracks, does not crash. 1389055;1454095433;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag i just meant they've been living in a particular half-world for a while now. 1389056;1454095438;mircea_popescu;wasn't the case pre-gates, say. 1389057;1454095441;trinque;I... have it on a restart cron job... and I feel dirty. 1389058;1454095455;ascii_butugychag;trinque: how come you're using heathen bitcoinatron, again ? 1389059;1454095460;mircea_popescu;he is ? 1389060;1454095463;ascii_butugychag;btcd 1389061;1454095471;ascii_butugychag;is a heathen thing, in heathen tongue 1389062;1454095474;mircea_popescu;trbtcd neh ? 1389063;1454095484;trinque;am waiting for that one to sync 1389064;1454095488;ascii_butugychag;nah iirc he is actually using a product called btcd, by one conformal co. 1389065;1454095490;mircea_popescu;o wait, the java one one or w/e it was ? 1389066;1454095491;ben_vulpes;it looked better than prb back in the day 1389067;1454095493;trinque;golang 1389068;1454095495;ben_vulpes;"go" 1389069;1454095501;mircea_popescu;right. back in the day it was actually more promising 1389070;1454095506;mircea_popescu;i even said this at some point. 1389071;1454095510;ben_vulpes;as did i 1389072;1454095521;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/28_conformal-are-the-real-bitcoin-core-devs.html 1389073;1454095522;assbot;Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ts4dZA ) 1389074;1454095522;ascii_butugychag;when just about any alternative to prb looked spiffy 1389075;1454095523;mircea_popescu;they failed to do anything with that advantage tho 1389076;1454095534;ben_vulpes;their blog has even gone to spamseed 1389077;1454095543;mircea_popescu;well other than get bogged down in / give a shit about inept nonsense being thrown their way. 1389078;1454095550;mircea_popescu;not having leader sheep sucks. 1389079;1454095557;trinque;yep, I have a ticket open to have an SSD put in my new box,b ut am awaiting response from the (disappointing) new DC 1389080;1454095592;mircea_popescu;lol kink shaming 1389081;1454095622;mircea_popescu;bash'd. 1389082;1454095768;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388410 << or that satoshi said a bunch of dumb shit, a fact both obvious to the naked eye and plainly admitted by the repentant perpetrator himself. 1389083;1454095768;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 15:08:20; thestringpuller: the problem here is I doubt satoshi had any idea how visa and traditional payment systems scaled in comparison to bitcoin. 1389084;1454095884;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388421 << of course nothing would prevent us at this stage to take either gnudiff or any shell diff, gut it, make it into proper vdiff and forget they ever existed. 1389085;1454095884;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 15:38:47; ascii_butugychag: i suppose this is when i restate my rage at the idiocy of gnudiff 1389086;1454095886;mircea_popescu;o wait. 1389087;1454096046;mircea_popescu;whoa mom, check me out, i made it through yet another day of these here kiloline logs! 1389088;1454096099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158500 @ 0.00056045 = 88.8313 BTC [+] {4} 1389089;1454096147;mircea_popescu;Slashdot Media, which owns the popular websites SourceForge and Slashdot, has been sold to SourceForge Media, LLC, a subsidiary of web publisher BIZX, LLC << o check it out, moar spam. 1389090;1454096178;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: what i want is not a gutted corpse of gnudiff, but a turing-complete vtron 1389091;1454096188;mircea_popescu;aha 1389092;1454096191;ascii_butugychag;where i can include arbitrary transforms. 1389093;1454096205;ascii_butugychag;and i originally thought 'let's take & clean gnudiff' and barfed ten times. 1389094;1454096219;ascii_butugychag;the whole shit soup toolchain needs to die 1389095;1454096223;ascii_butugychag;and be cremated 1389096;1454096259;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that article is fucking epic. dude's so pointedly answering from a web-cattle farmer locus it's hysterical. 1389097;1454096274;mircea_popescu;Our plans for Slashdot include supporting the mission of Slashdots slogan, news for nerds, stuff that matters,' he said. The site has millions of loyal users that visit and engage on the site each month, and we want to do the things necessary to keep Slashdot positioned as the best technology-centric news and discussion site on the web. We do not plan any radical changes, and will keep the opinions of th 1389098;1454096274;mircea_popescu;e Slashdot user base in mind at all times. 1389099;1454096288;mircea_popescu;Well, Im not sure I completely agree that Slashdot is less vital these days or has lost its luster, he replied. It serves millions of unique viewers each month, which we think is pretty significant. 1389100;1454096292;ascii_butugychag;wasn't it sold to spammers years ago?! 1389101;1454096305;mircea_popescu;We see the Slashdot community as a vibrant community made up of industry professionals and enthusiasts that are extremely passionate about tech, tech news and discussion, many of which have been active and engaged for over a decade, he added. 1389102;1454096317;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag how do you think it lost its luster. 1389103;1454096329;mircea_popescu;just continuing down the road. 1389104;1454096374;mircea_popescu;slash-dottie's first short skirt, slash-dottie's first drunken sexual encounter, slash-dottie's first gangbang, where's that pic of sharon stone 1389105;1454096452;ascii_butugychag;slash-dottie's first shovel rape. 1389106;1454096462;ascii_butugychag;('turkish wedding' (tm) (r)) 1389107;1454096566;mircea_popescu;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GreenspunsTenthRuleOfProgramming << check out the lulz, incidentally. 1389108;1454096569;assbot;Greenspuns Tenth Rule Of Programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZ2h5u ) 1389109;1454096573;mircea_popescu;"This is one of those things that seem true for those who have gotten spoiled by the windowing environment. The reason this can't be considered true is that at some point, you have to specify (or get down to) a ModelOfComputation, and the one most programmers use is simply different than LISP which is very different since it has no definition of MachineTypes?. See ConfusedComputerScience." 1389110;1454096580;mircea_popescu;because MOST matters, in computing, right ? 1389111;1454096587;mircea_popescu;it pays to re-read the classics. 1389112;1454096727;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1389113;1454096872;ascii_butugychag;http://imgur.com/a/hMs4a << who wants to guess how this happened 1389114;1454096873;assbot;wut - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZ35qS ) 1389115;1454096904;ascii_butugychag;^ failure of in-band signalling !11111111 1389116;1454096918;phf;you're trying to wire a latex renderer on top of logs? 1389117;1454096936;ascii_butugychag;no 1389118;1454096945;ascii_butugychag;definitely wasn't ~trying~ to end up like this 1389119;1454096947;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what 1389120;1454096963;ascii_butugychag;riddle - what kind of bug produced this. 1389121;1454096978;ascii_butugychag;answer, of course, is that it wasn't a bug. 1389122;1454096987;ascii_butugychag;just a graphical www browser with 'mathml' enabled. 1389123;1454096994;mircea_popescu;seems a pretty weak convention 1389124;1454097005;mircea_popescu;seriously, replace all "in" ? 1389125;1454097007;ben_vulpes;(unrelated: www.northofreality.com/tales/2016/1/27/wealth-appreciation) 1389126;1454097008;mircea_popescu;and all ./ ? 1389127;1454097029;ascii_butugychag;in-band signalling (i.e. 'this magic sequence of characters anywhere in the text launches the rockets') suxxxx. 1389128;1454097042;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: it wasn't 'ALL in' 1389129;1454097051;ascii_butugychag;it was 'magic trigger and after it, replace...' 1389130;1454097055;ben_vulpes;ascii_butugychag: unless it's the magic bits to dump the launch codes back down the pipe 1389131;1454097058;ascii_butugychag;somehow this magic ended up in the html. 1389132;1454097096;phf;i remember there was a pretty big stink when firefox was magic sequencing xml files as rss feeds years ago 1389133;1454097101;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag would you stop trying to be cute. in band signalling is the only fucking signalling there is, until you invent telepathy. 1389134;1454097114;ascii_butugychag;nope. 1389135;1454097128;mircea_popescu;the discussion is whether you're an educated sort of dude with collapsed bands, or a barbarian needing "multiple" but somehow magically not infinity-many bands 1389136;1454097133;ascii_butugychag;there is also 'what follows is N bits which will behave AS BITS' or 'what follows is M bits which are launch code.' 1389137;1454097148;mircea_popescu;all bits are bits. 1389138;1454097162;ascii_butugychag;yes but the fundamental debate is about how to interpret. 1389139;1454097179;mircea_popescu;consider the epic failuire of private messages to gather import or relevance in the trb and you;'ll have a fine illustration of why multiband is retarded. 1389140;1454097187;ascii_butugychag;is it 'magic code can come ~any time~' or 'magic code specified in WELL-DEFINED place' 1389141;1454097201;mircea_popescu;there is no shortcut to resolve the interpretation conundrum. 1389142;1454097214;ascii_butugychag;there is, however, the ample retardation of the 'any time' variant. 1389143;1454097214;mircea_popescu;"i know what he said, but what did he MEAN by it ?" 1389144;1454097224;ascii_butugychag;i do not WANT any-time. 1389145;1454097251;ascii_butugychag;it sucketh, verily. 1389146;1454097255;mircea_popescu;and yet you live with my http://40.media.tumblr.com/a7c31291784cf43ac59f955ff09e5403/tumblr_n0kf5fJB9I1tq04mso1_1280.jpg links just fine. 1389147;1454097256;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZ3SZ3 ) 1389148;1454097262;ascii_butugychag;these - behave. 1389149;1454097269;mircea_popescu;how so ? they pop in at any time 1389150;1454097278;mircea_popescu;just like their unruly, ill behaved irl counter... parts. 1389151;1454097278;ascii_butugychag;i'm on a console term 1389152;1454097283;mircea_popescu;AHA! 1389153;1454097293;mircea_popescu;so YOU fixed your broken interpretatron! good. 1389154;1454097295;mircea_popescu;now do that universally. 1389155;1454097309;ascii_butugychag;i can only do that here because no math in the chan 1389156;1454097332;mircea_popescu;not so. 1389157;1454097358;ascii_butugychag;when collaborating mathematically, i am stuck with MOTHERFUKING chalkboards 1389158;1454097366;ascii_butugychag;yes. 1389159;1454097387;mircea_popescu;i like boards so much im actually going to buy one just for slavegirl training. 1389160;1454097404;mircea_popescu;it also pleases me no end some of teh womenz have reached that pinnacle of intellectual achievement where one's needed. 1389161;1454097413;ascii_butugychag;srsly? 1389162;1454097416;mircea_popescu;yup. 1389163;1454097417;ascii_butugychag;whatcha teaching'em 1389164;1454097422;ascii_butugychag;analysis? 1389165;1454097426;mircea_popescu;hey, best part of physics lab was the blackboard imo 1389166;1454097435;mircea_popescu;ah, mno, gotta be one to see the curricula :D 1389167;1454097442;ascii_butugychag;l0lok 1389168;1454097462;*;ascii_butugychag pictures chalkboard with parts of kalash diagrammed 1389169;1454097476;mircea_popescu;blackboard is a thing of thought. what's on it, less important. 1389170;1454097495;ascii_butugychag;incidentally mircea_popescu will be very pleased to learn that over here we have crappy ersatz american non-chalky boards 1389171;1454097498;ascii_butugychag;with ink markers 1389172;1454097505;mircea_popescu;i can actually live with those. 1389173;1454097513;mircea_popescu;they're not terribru. better colors. 1389174;1454097518;ascii_butugychag;one can buy reduced-stink markers 1389175;1454097535;mircea_popescu;lol i always wondered why us highschoolers didn't get into toluene huffing\ 1389176;1454097541;ascii_butugychag;but i find that there is something palpably... unmathematical, about 'whiteboards' 1389177;1454097547;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: who said they didn't 1389178;1454097554;mircea_popescu;lower perceived resistence of the medium ? 1389179;1454097564;ascii_butugychag;i still remember the whanging headaches i got just from sitting in front row 1389180;1454097567;mircea_popescu;it's mathematical alright, just i guess unsatisfying for a wholly unrelated biological cue 1389181;1454097604;mircea_popescu;anyway. the value of the blackboard is a sort of peripheral remanence of summary. 1389182;1454097606;ascii_butugychag;incidentally, ever use a 'boogie board' ? 1389183;1454097618;ascii_butugychag;i really wish they came in full man size 1389184;1454097620;mircea_popescu;actually, there's a cartoon of all thiongs that best illustrates what a blackboard is as a device of thought. lemme see if i can fish it out\ 1389185;1454097670;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsyJX3sESjs << that! 1389186;1454097671;assbot;Animaniacs - The ACME Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZ4IVG ) 1389187;1454097764;ascii_butugychag;('boogie' is an a5-sized slate thing that changes colour from pressure, and has a button, press and it erases to black. runs on tiny watch battery.) 1389188;1454097771;thestringpuller;you've watched the animaniacs 1389189;1454097778;*;ascii_butugychag watched, when came to usa 1389190;1454097781;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag srsly, watch that vid. 1389191;1454097784;mircea_popescu;ah 1389192;1454097793;ascii_butugychag;and i saw it again too when mircea_popescu linked it 1st time 1389193;1454097803;mircea_popescu;:p 1389194;1454097904;mod6;hanbot: everything going ok? is it building or, having any hangups/questions? 1389195;1454098003;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389021 << i was going to suggest this but figured i'd keep reading logs to see if someone beat me to it :D 1389196;1454098003;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 19:13:35; mod6: you just need to create a .wot dir and place keys in there, then (in the same directory do this): `./build-bitcoind-v99996.sh` 1389197;1454098112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4741 @ 0.00054581 = 2.5877 BTC [-] {2} 1389198;1454098203;mod6;thanks danielpbarron -- hey please give this a try if you can. I figured that you might be a good one to simplify the steps and up date the wiki as soon as we get some confirmation that all is good with the script 1389199;1454098239;mod6;and upon a few others successfully building, trinque, can you work your magic with deedbot and place that guy in there so its like deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-v99996K.sh or whatever? 1389200;1454098375;phf;so we have files a, b and patches x, y, z. x is genesis. y is a->a'. z is a'->a" b->b'. the way v connects the graph is x-y x-z y-z, i.e. patches that have hunks that share state for a file in before and after are connected. it is explicitly not a transition graph, which would be x-y y-z (since you can't apply z on top of x without first applying y)? 1389201;1454098436;mircea_popescu;i guess it would be a transition graph, at least in most cases. 1389202;1454098438;mircea_popescu;why do you ask ? 1389203;1454098492;mircea_popescu;note that (as per discussion today and intention throughout) your z should really be stated as z1 a' -> a'' ; z2 b -> b' 1389204;1454098527;mircea_popescu;this remains true even if we go from a, b being files to them being blocks, or themes, or other reasonable division. 1389205;1454098544;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_butugychag 1389206;1454098601;phf;i remember ascii suggesting that perhaps we should stick to one hunk per patch, but that's not the case right with existing patches. if z thematically needs to touch two different files (a and b), then both modifications are inside a single patch 1389207;1454098632;mircea_popescu;that situation may occur, and it is a signal that the way code is split into files is broken and needs fixing, i guess. 1389208;1454098658;mircea_popescu;but this line is i suppose not germane to your inquiry so let's let it be. 1389209;1454098661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25720 @ 0.00054369 = 13.9837 BTC [-] 1389210;1454098774;phf;i think it's relevant, but i need to reflect how. fwiw right now there's a bunch of vpatches that modify multiple files at the same time 1389211;1454098802;ascii_butugychag;phf: the idea is that those are semantically related 1389212;1454098810;ascii_butugychag;and don't want to be dealt with separately 1389213;1454098844;ascii_butugychag;the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have a stricter than necessary dependency flow 1389214;1454098891;mircea_popescu;phf well yes but using v as an ideal object vs using v as applied to the world's most patently deranged pile of cathair and wet noodles. 1389215;1454098922;mircea_popescu;i don't think you can find anyone who both read bitcoin source and thinks the file split is sane. 1389216;1454098958;ascii_butugychag;i thought he was speaking of vpatches 1389217;1454098966;mircea_popescu;for that matter the level of abstraction displayed justifies the use of MAYBE three files, otherwhise it really looks like the guy wrote the whole thing on one scroll so to speak. 1389218;1454099022;phf;ascii_butugychag: i am speaking of vpatches, i'm starting to grok that mp is speaking at a different level of abstraction 1389219;1454099029;mircea_popescu;did we get lost ? 1389220;1454099059;mircea_popescu;were you talking about ml elements or something ? 1389221;1454099067;hanbot;say mod6 (or whoever else knoweth), given keys in .wot dir are to be named by wot identity a la mod6, what am i to name korsgaard's key, since he's not in wot? 1389222;1454099093;mircea_popescu;try just korsgaard 1389223;1454099094;mod6;place that key on your gnupg keyring via --import 1389224;1454099114;mircea_popescu;mod6 no but she needs to name the file something 1389225;1454099122;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> try just korsgaard << i guess you could try this 1389226;1454099128;ascii_butugychag;keyring?!! 1389227;1454099136;mircea_popescu;yeah how are keyrings involved in v again ? 1389228;1454099143;ascii_butugychag;in no way! 1389229;1454099145;phf;we've been through this 1389230;1454099151;mod6;only in the context of verifying the packages signatures 1389231;1454099152;ascii_butugychag;FUCK keyrings. 1389232;1454099156;mod6;this is basically outside of V 1389233;1454099159;ascii_butugychag;it is a gpg atavism 1389234;1454099159;mircea_popescu;mod6 ah that yeah. 1389235;1454099176;phf;v is used to press the source only, but there's a bunch of shit happening outside of v, including verifying some third party package signed by this korsgaard guy 1389236;1454099187;ascii_butugychag;ah buildroot 1389237;1454099190;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1389238;1454099193;hanbot;oh so i don't actually need korsgaard's key in the .wot dir 1389239;1454099196;ascii_butugychag;at some point it will have to become vtronic 1389240;1454099198;hanbot;cool, ty 1389241;1454099203;mod6;hanbot: no, sorry this is confusing. 1389242;1454099214;mod6;ok gl,hf :] 1389243;1454099239;mircea_popescu;all you should in the .wot atm is what's in the script, ie, 1389244;1454099240;mircea_popescu;# Required Public Keys: 1389245;1454099240;mircea_popescu;# 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 1389246;1454099240;mircea_popescu;# 0x17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7 1389247;1454099240;mircea_popescu;# 0x027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF 1389248;1454099240;mircea_popescu;# 0xFC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 1389249;1454099259;mod6;these are public keys that you need in your keyring 1389250;1454099271;mircea_popescu;uh 1389251;1454099281;mod6;to verify V, trinque's special patch, buildroot, and other stuff. 1389252;1454099301;mircea_popescu;- # Required Public Keys: 1389253;1454099317;mircea_popescu;+ # You need to have these keys in your gpg keyring to vertify V, trinque's special patch, buildroot, and other stuff. 1389254;1454099345;mod6;I'll change the comment, standby. 1389255;1454099360;mircea_popescu;maybe actually explicit the "Some stuff" 1389256;1454099371;mircea_popescu;im sorry, other stuff. and i typo'ed verify. 1389257;1454099393;kakobrekla;what is the 'special patch'? 1389258;1454099523;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2H6H5Q6.txt 1389259;1454099525;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG1QLp ) 1389260;1454099538;phf;mircea_popescu: anyway, i was speaking of how things are right now in v.py/v.pl. a hunk touches a file, hunks are grouped thematically (i.e. by a single unit of meaning) in a patch. a pairing of antecedent/descendent creates a graph and in combination with topo logical sort produces a press order 1389261;1454099547;mod6;kako: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150808/rotor-db-configure-fix_a955ba9174ccb17790dc9d7c1e2a61794a1c803d.patch 1389262;1454099549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG1TqI ) 1389263;1454099556;mircea_popescu;phf this is correct. 1389264;1454099568;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla iirc it was the bdb locks thing fix ? 1389265;1454099596;mircea_popescu;ah nm, it was the x86 flag 1389266;1454099603;phf;having multiple hunks in a patch modify several files at the same time creates a harder transition constraint then simple antecedent/descendent pairing, so i'm thinking it's probably safe to construct a graph in terms of transitions rather then purely a/d. the end result should be the same 1389267;1454099604;kakobrekla;it brings me some satisfaction im not the only one confused 1389268;1454099623;mircea_popescu;phf sounds right. 1389269;1454099646;ascii_butugychag;phf: i ~would~ like to see a maximally-granular (split into patchons) version of mod6's flow graph 1389270;1454099651;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla at some point it was discovered configure doesn't configure properly without --host=x86_64-linux given explicitly. 1389271;1454099664;phf;(all this v talk past few days, i decided to sit down and grok, so Writin My Own V (tm)(c) at the moment) 1389272;1454099674;mod6;as soon as i get through the end of this month, a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand. 1389273;1454099688;mircea_popescu;phf this is worthy goal and a pretty effectual approach even if it doesn't get used for anything post-grok 1389274;1454099699;phf;indeed 1389275;1454099794;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: holy shit, shitgnomes are trying to pervert even greenspun's law ?!! 1389276;1454099805;mircea_popescu;mod6 it's no good because it still doesn't explain WHERE they should go. it's ambiguous between .wot and keyring\ 1389277;1454099817;ascii_butugychag;(grep earlier greenspun c2 link for 'refactor') 1389278;1454099820;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag what are you, from a planet of shelf stable cheese, viande and laws ? 1389279;1454099829;mircea_popescu;no, i read it. 1389280;1454099834;mircea_popescu;!up JPT 1389281;1454099839;ascii_butugychag;brain - melts. 1389282;1454099841;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, ok will fix. 1389283;1454099855;mircea_popescu;gotta say, you know, "in keyring", save people a boggle. 1389284;1454099905;mod6;this better? 1389285;1454099905;mod6;# Required Public Keys to add to your PGP Keyring. This are used to verify V, rotor, buildroot, and trinque's patch: 1389286;1454099910;mod6;damnit 1389287;1454099927;mod6;# Required Public Keys to add to your PGP Keyring. These are used to verify V, rotor, buildroot, and trinque's patch: 1389288;1454099968;mircea_popescu;yup 1389289;1454099978;mod6;ok :] 1389290;1454100002;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2VBF9V2.txt 1389291;1454100003;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG2ubM ) 1389292;1454100164;ascii_butugychag;http://imgur.com/rRWxCi3 << re: chalkboard thread. the one i have here. 1389293;1454100165;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG2Gbf ) 1389294;1454100197;mircea_popescu;you drew in those pixels by hand ?! 1389295;1454100227;ascii_butugychag;censored crud 1389296;1454100246;ascii_butugychag;(the thing that looks like arse cheeks was originally a dfa) 1389297;1454100326;ascii_butugychag;the life of whoredom!111 1389298;1454100423;mod6;!up ascii_butugychag 1389299;1454100459;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ah nm, it was the x86 flag << yeah. 1389300;1454101234;mod6;hanbot: still having some probs? 1389301;1454101296;mod6;if you tried to build with this script, and something went wrong, which im pretty sure that it did, you need to blow everythign away (aside from your .wot dir and your keyring of course - have back ups! /me looks at people who blew away their keys) and start over. 1389302;1454101314;mod6;this thing doesn't play nice trying to run it more than one time with old artifacts laying around. 1389303;1454101406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51321 @ 0.00055271 = 28.3656 BTC [+] {3} 1389304;1454101450;hanbot;not really. i've been fucking around trying to get bash to save public key block to file without detritus, giving up for now and just copypasting. i'll letcha know if it goes wrong, thanks for the cleanup note. 1389305;1454101479;mircea_popescu;http://funcall.blogspot.com.ar/2009/03/not-lisp-again.html << actually this is splendid, as a narrative. esp the part about derivatives. 1389306;1454101480;assbot;Abstract Heresies: Not Lisp again.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG4iSn ) 1389307;1454101515;mod6;hanbot: alrighty, thanks. sometimes if I don't hear anything, i just assume the worst. heheh. 1389308;1454101531;mod6;just want to make sure you're not stuck. 1389309;1454101919;shinohai;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12127067/woman-says-she-is-a-cat-trapped-in-the-wrong-body.html <<< maybe she's single guys! 1389310;1454101919;assbot;Woman says she is a cat trapped in the wrong body - she hisses at dogs, hates water and claims she can even see better at night - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKiW2x ) 1389311;1454102186;pete_dushenski;mod6: i have a question about the version string patch... i seem to have applied it correctly but i'm still seeing version "50400" even when trying the '-setvernum' command so i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. this is a new instance that's in the process of syncing, not 'tevye', which properly shows '99999'. i used the original 99997k script and applied 'version-strings' and 'hearnificarum' manually and both are now 1389312;1454102186;pete_dushenski;y patches directory. should i just wait until it syncs fully and build another rotor (with line 61 updated) or is there something else i can try ? 1389313;1454102261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39840 @ 0.00055138 = 21.967 BTC [-] {2} 1389314;1454102436;mod6;pete_dushenski: ok good q. shinohai had some issues with trying to set the value via the command line too - i haven't even tested this yet. 1389315;1454102468;mod6;Now, with mine bitcoind, mine just comes up without setting any flags at all as 99999. so maybe try without any commandline flags first. 1389316;1454102504;mod6;but this needs to be investigated for sure. or maybe asciilifeform has some example we can follow? 1389317;1454102523;pete_dushenski;iirc shinohai was seeing 99999 and was trying to change it to 99997 1389318;1454102555;pete_dushenski;whereas the stock 99997k.sh yields 50400, which is what i'm seeing. 1389319;1454102573;mod6;yeah, i dont know. i'd try building with the new v99996 script, and then see what happens. 1389320;1454102609;mod6;this is of value since I really haven't played with this on my own. perhaps log your results and post. 1389321;1454102614;mod6;in here if nothing else. 1389322;1454102657;mod6;here's that script again so you don't have to dig too far: http://dpaste.com/2VBF9V2.txt 1389323;1454102680;pete_dushenski;cheers :D 1389324;1454102702;mod6;yup, thanks for your patience and willingness to work on this. 1389325;1454102730;pete_dushenski;my pleasure 1389326;1454102795;shinohai;YEs pete_dushenski and mod6 in my tests it didnt change. Haven't tried setting or doing anything else since then, just letting the node run. 1389327;1454102825;*;shinohai wants to compile with the new patches posted last night to ml 1389328;1454102964;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388865 << My gut reaction is it is one persistent reddit user known in California Bitcoin circles so amazingly probably not 1389329;1454102964;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 1389330;1454102964;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 18:12:41; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388376 << lulz. /me wonders if this "would-be defendent" resides in tmsr~ 1389331;1454102970;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379781 << so 'getinfo' will always show the same regardless ? 1389332;1454102970;assbot;Logged on 21-01-2016 15:48:48; asciilifeform: mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! because said printf ~precedes~ the setting of the custom string. this may explain shinohai's confusion. 1389333;1454103037;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: aha. 1389334;1454103069;pete_dushenski;shinohai: let us know how it goes 1389335;1454103079;BingoBoingo;I believe reddit user's first four characters are "paul" and can't bother spelling the rest because reddit. 1389336;1454103087;BingoBoingo;But there could be others 1389337;1454103125;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_butugychag 1389338;1454103144;ascii_butugychag;pete_dushenski: i was gonna point out the version string thing but you found it in the logz already. 1389339;1454103186;pete_dushenski;i guess i just didn't really understand it 1389340;1454103207;mod6;so if i use -setvernum=99997 it'll show up in the log but not getinfo? 1389341;1454103279;ascii_butugychag;it ought to show up in getinfo 1389342;1454103283;ascii_butugychag;but NOT in the log. 1389343;1454103294;mod6;hmm. ok 1389344;1454103353;pete_dushenski;that's odd because that's not what i'm seeing 1389345;1454103364;pete_dushenski;but i don't discount that i bunged something up along the way 1389346;1454103368;shinohai;I didn't get it in "getinfo" though myself. Still shows 99999 1389347;1454103375;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388986 << rattan ftw 1389348;1454103375;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 19:05:23; ben_vulpes: imagine you have to wait for your cane to become useful for a minute randomly during a beating 1389349;1454103386;pete_dushenski;!up cazalla_ 1389350;1454103391;ascii_butugychag;shinohai: what command line params did you use ? 1389351;1454103445;cazalla_;thanks pete_dushenski! came to ask you something about cars actually! are the complaints i'm reading about CVT (noisy, blow up, are shit and to be avoided) legitimate? 1389352;1454103465;pete_dushenski;o hey ! 1389353;1454103554;pete_dushenski;i'd say that, by and large, that's a fair assessment of cvt transmissions : they're complex to repair and unintuitive to drive, in my experience 1389354;1454103561;cazalla_;looking at getting a toyota corolla, say 2011-2014 and most autos on the market are cvt, not 4spd auto and manuals seem few and far between :\ 1389355;1454103578;shinohai;ascii_butugychag: LC_ALL=C nohup bitcoind -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -logtimestamps -myip=127.0.0.1 -verifyall 2>&1 & 1389356;1454103588;pete_dushenski;cazalla_: go with 2010 ;) 1389357;1454103601;cazalla_;pete_dushenski, any reason why? 1389358;1454103607;pete_dushenski;just keep digging back into history until you're not swimming in shit, it's the b-a way ! 1389359;1454103642;pete_dushenski;no reason for 2010 in particular, just earlier than 2011. corolla didn't always have cvt, so just... dig back 1389360;1454103649;cazalla_;fair call 1389361;1454103659;cazalla_;so many of the cvts around down under :\ 1389362;1454103699;cazalla_;i find something with full service history, low km and then.. cvt :\ 1389363;1454103971;pete_dushenski;cazalla_: might be worth it to find an older car, higher km, just to avoid the cvt. then again, maybe you drive the cvt and don't mind it for the kind of routes you frequent, who knows 1389364;1454104017;ascii_butugychag;anybody else suffer the same problem as shinohai ? 1389365;1454104022;ascii_butugychag;anybody tested at all ? 1389366;1454104127;pete_dushenski;ascii_butugychag: right here. same problem. 1389367;1454104151;pete_dushenski;no change to version string after -setvernum command issued 1389368;1454104188;cazalla_;well, the hunt continues, thanks again pete_dushenski 1389369;1454104189;shinohai;I know the patch applied, because bitcoind -? shows it as an option 1389370;1454104229;pete_dushenski;in other news, because dpaste mungs up files with '^M', 99996k can be found here : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/99996K.txt 1389371;1454104231;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PKm3aC ) 1389372;1454104271;mod6;pete_dushenski: ya, as soon as we get a couple of people confirming that v99996 builds for them correctly, we'll throw it into deedbot, but thanks! 1389373;1454104284;pete_dushenski;humourously, wp wouldn't allow '.sh' to be uploaded for 'sekoority raisons' 1389374;1454104304;pete_dushenski;mod6: mine's churning away as we speak ! 1389375;1454104355;mod6;nice! 1389376;1454104364;mod6;thanks for testing that out. 1389377;1454104527;*;ascii_butugychag bbl 1389378;1454104762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00055447 = 11.5884 BTC [+] {2} 1389379;1454105033;hanbot; just want to make sure you're not stuck. << looks to be puttering along nicely for me, ftr. 1389380;1454105126;BingoBoingo;In sideshow news, Tommy Chong endorsed Bernie Sanders. Hilary just can't win. 1389381;1454105150;shinohai;LOL 1389382;1454105246;pete_dushenski;in 'go' related nyooz, i spent some time talking to martin muller at the 'physics mixer' i attended last night. he's the associate research chair at the university of alberta in computing science and one of the leading researchers in monte carlo methods and the 'go' game. apparently this 'world-beating' research is happening right in my own very back yard ! 1389383;1454105395;phf;asciilifeform: check it http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition.png 1389384;1454105399;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLaiZW ) 1389385;1454105977;ben_vulpes;nifty phf 1389386;1454106226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00055805 = 7.0872 BTC [+] {2} 1389387;1454106276;funkenstein_;neato 1389388;1454106319;funkenstein_;also related, turns out 樊麾 is a friend of a friend of a friend. word from that channel is there was no handicap in matches 1389389;1454106475;funkenstein_;"look at the statues, entirely different people." <-- it what things look like that's important? 1389390;1454106496;funkenstein_;anybody else's day ruined after watching that spineless nazi demo video? 1389391;1454106580;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b34 1389392;1454106897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00055884 = 24.561 BTC [+] {2} 1389393;1454106921;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ no cuz we don't watch videos! 1389394;1454106999;mircea_popescu;<phf> asciilifeform: check it http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition.png << p neat, but why is the shiva stuff connected ? 1389395;1454107002;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLaiZW ) 1389396;1454107003;mircea_popescu;oh, he rebased it did he 1389397;1454107081;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ well the question of identity and image is too complex to carry out in the margins of that example huh. 1389398;1454107104;mircea_popescu;and re the games : are they published anywhere ? best way to sort this entire mess 1389399;1454107112;mircea_popescu;nfi why the ORIGNAL announcement wasn't "here's the games!" 1389400;1454107130;mircea_popescu;but instead had to be meta-meta bs about who did what to whom and what it supposedly means. 1389401;1454107307;pete_dushenski;http://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.06410.pdf << 'better computer go player with neural network and long-term prediction' 1389402;1454107311;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RRC0fg ) 1389403;1454107584;pete_dushenski;mod6: 99996k built and running. back to scarfing blocks. should be synced early next week. 1389404;1454107611;pete_dushenski;version string now shows '99999' too 1389405;1454107658;pete_dushenski;as one would expect ! 1389406;1454107711;fluffypony;best military manual ever: http://liw.iki.fi/liw/misc/MIL-C-44072C.pdf 1389407;1454107712;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RRCeTD ) 1389408;1454107830;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, this shit's going to the supreme court of canada (at least it had better) : http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/spanking-over-nude-snapchat-photo-leads-to-assault-conviction-for-parents-1.3424108 1389409;1454107832;assbot;'Spanking' over nude Snapchat photo leads to assault conviction for parents - British Columbia - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RRCjXw ) 1389410;1454107844;deedbot-;[Qntra] Article On Swedish Murder Censored In Sweden - http://qntra.net/2016/01/article-on-swedish-murder-censored-in-sweden/ 1389411;1454107926;pete_dushenski;summary : parents hit daughter with skipping rope and plastic hockey sticks, WHICH LEFT MARKS OMG, because fillie was caught sexting and chose this punishment over being grounded. parents were then not only charged but CONVICTED of assault by provincial court. 1389412;1454108023;pete_dushenski;not like this retardation is sustainable, so enjoy prosecuting jaywalking and other trivial non-crimes, canada, enjoy it while you still have oil and trees and fish as slaves to make 'everyone' worthy of due process. 1389413;1454108076;diametric;pete_dushenski: the article i read didn't say marks, but specifically lacerations. 1389414;1454108097;pete_dushenski;"It came to the attention of police when the daughter showed bruises on her buttocks to two of her girlfriends, who in turn reported what they had seen to the school principal." << 1389415;1454108102;diametric;deep bruising and lacerations, as in they were beating her severely enough to cause bleeding. 1389416;1454108110;pete_dushenski;oh no ? 1389417;1454108112;punkman;"To suggest that responding to such acts by a teenaged daughter (14 going on 15 years), by spanking her with an object, would be educative or corrective, is simply not believable or acceptable by any measure of current social consensus." << indeed, gotta encourage the nudes :P 1389418;1454108140;diametric;not sure that makes it a trivial non-crime at that point. 1389419;1454108186;pete_dushenski;punkman: i wanted to cry for the world i'm bringing my children into when i read 'current social consensus'. then i remembered that you have to get caught first ! 1389420;1454108216;pete_dushenski;and if you're caught, that you can't afford the best lawyers ! 1389421;1454108239;pete_dushenski;and that if that's still not good enough, that you wouldn't burn the court house to the ground and piss on the ashes ! 1389422;1454108249;punkman;pete_dushenski: might be cheaper to just move 1389423;1454108306;pete_dushenski;if i got up and moved everytime idiots were idiots, i'd live on the moon already. 1389424;1454108352;mircea_popescu;mod6 your latest pressing away on a new system. will announce it and add to trb fleet once done. 1389425;1454108369;mircea_popescu;heh just as i said that... 1389426;1454108372;mircea_popescu;You must install 'bc' on your build machine 1389427;1454108372;mircea_popescu;make: *** [core-dependencies] Error 1 1389428;1454108404;punkman;wha's bc? 1389429;1454108422;mircea_popescu;apparently a calculator thing 1389430;1454108483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00056036 = 23.0028 BTC [+] {3} 1389431;1454108538;mircea_popescu;what's the cannonical makeclean, rm -rf * in /rotor ? 1389432;1454108615;punkman;https://micropurchase.18f.gov/ lol at the top two issues 1389433;1454108616;assbot;Micro-purchase ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLgdyl ) 1389434;1454108626;TomServo;It appears I'm somehow wedged at 252450 again. :( Just completed my first restart, so we'll see. 1389435;1454108634;punkman;(not about buying 18yo females, no) 1389436;1454108659;punkman;TomServo: did you adjust db locks? 1389437;1454108681;TomServo;punkman: No, is that required if using the wiki build script? 1389438;1454108707;mircea_popescu;Saving to: /home/bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/.gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2.GCAtsD/output 1389439;1454108739;mircea_popescu;motherfucker is buildroot huge. 1389440;1454108785;mircea_popescu;TomServo yeah it's required if you want to sync, bdb as shipped with original btc croaks on larger blocks 1389441;1454108803;mircea_popescu;(this is totally an isolated case and "scaling" bitcoin is totally safe guise, nevermind that nobody seriously tested this) 1389442;1454108804;punkman;TomServo: depends when you built it 1389443;1454108828;danielpbarron;diametric, so what if lacerations? have you seen some of the bdsm pics linked in here? 1389444;1454108923;TomServo;punkman: I used build-bitcoind-99997K.sh, OS install and bitcoind build were on the 27th. 1389445;1454108942;mircea_popescu;<punkman> "To suggest that responding to such acts by a teenaged daughter (14 going on 15 years), by spanking her with an object, would be educative or corrective, is simply not believable or acceptable by any measure of current social consensus." << indeed, gotta encourage the nudes :P << rank nonsense. beatings are quite educative, in practice. 1389446;1454108954;mircea_popescu;what "consensus" ? is this a consensus of the derps that never beat anyone nor have ever educated anyone ? 1389447;1454108962;mircea_popescu;why not ask the fucking field mice then./ 1389448;1454108996;hanbot;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389355 << if this isn't already a standard example, anyone feel like talking me through this option jungle? (starting v99996 for the first time) 1389449;1454108996;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 21:39:38; shinohai: ascii_butugychag: LC_ALL=C nohup bitcoind -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -logtimestamps -myip=127.0.0.1 -verifyall 2>&1 & 1389450;1454109008;hanbot;i mean is most of that for troubleshooting or is that what it takes each time? 1389451;1454109014;mircea_popescu; punkman: i wanted to cry for the world i'm bringing my children into when i read 'current social consensus'. then i remembered that you have to get caught first ! << this is also rank nonsense , of the http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-that-bitcoin-is-a-sovereign/#comment-116288 ilk 1389452;1454109015;assbot;The idea that Bitcoin is a sovereign... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLgO31 ) 1389453;1454109049;mircea_popescu;ie, infantile delusions of sovereignity through "privacy". this doesn't work. sovereignity behaves publicly and with impunity. that is the fucking point. 1389454;1454109050;punkman;hanbot, I think you don't need -conf if you have -datadir 1389455;1454109058;shinohai;At minimum hanbot you need the -myip -conf and -datadir flags 1389456;1454109072;shinohai;I may be wrong but it works for me 1389457;1454109085;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b11 1389458;1454109085;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.10000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin block reward halving on or before 20 July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1182/bitcoin-block-reward-halving-on-or-before-20/#b15 1389459;1454109118;punkman;what's LC_ALL=C do for bitcoind? 1389460;1454109182;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: no debate. but if i'm sovereign, how can the polizei charge me ? what's next, arresting bahamas for health care insurance fraud ? 1389461;1454109210;mircea_popescu;same way they can charge anyone. 1389462;1454109218;mircea_popescu;suppose someone comes in here with proof you stole their shit. 1389463;1454109224;mircea_popescu;you're charged alright. 1389464;1454109235;pete_dushenski;but b-a 1389465;1454109240;pete_dushenski;by* b-a 1389466;1454109248;hanbot;punkman i gather some local issue arises otherwise eg http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-12-2015#1349988 1389467;1454109248;assbot;Logged on 22-12-2015 01:17:06; asciilifeform: LC_ALL="C" 1389468;1454109263;hanbot;ty, same shinohai 1389469;1454109365;punkman;shinohai: any reason you went with nohup instead of -daemon? 1389470;1454109379;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: canuck polizei might charge rando 'religious couple' because xtians are bad mkay, but foreign ambassadors ? 1389471;1454109401;pete_dushenski;not without a lot of political will 1389472;1454109484;punkman;pete_dushenski: did you start the canadian b-a embassy yet? 1389473;1454109513;pete_dushenski;i'm just finalising the toilet design ;) 1389474;1454109526;shinohai;Always have used it punkman no particular reason I guess :/ 1389475;1454109571;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski didn't they kidnap the sitting fmi head over "charged" based on the testimony of a streetwalker that the us district attorney had paid to lie ? 1389476;1454109576;mircea_popescu;and... well... nothing happened ? 1389477;1454109577;punkman;hanbot, so if you don't use nohup, you can also get rid of the redirection at the end "2>&1 &" 1389478;1454109603;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sounds identical to the strauss-kahn set-up 1389479;1454109610;mircea_popescu;that's because it is identical. 1389480;1454109610;danielpbarron;my node (the one i started at the same time as Mircea) is still chugging along happily; now at height=367932 1389481;1454109625;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron just looked, mine was 368k or so 1389482;1454109630;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. 1389483;1454109635;danielpbarron;neck and neck! 1389484;1454109724;danielpbarron;and it's been going uninterrupted since more-or-less the beginning (i stopped and started it after the first few k blocks for some reason) 1389485;1454109812;shinohai;Only time I have stopped mine is for upgrades. Otherwise it runs merrily along all day. 1389486;1454110239;mircea_popescu;ftr mod6 : i ended up with two rotor.sh scripts, one under rotor the other under rotor/test2 1389487;1454110244;mircea_popescu;1st one dies confusingly. 1389488;1454110250;mircea_popescu;2nd one seems to run ok 1389489;1454110449;phf;http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk 1389490;1454110451;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLj5uV ) 1389491;1454110839;phf;and the one ascii requested, transition graph for when there's only one hunk per patch file http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks-asplode.png (i filtered out all the genesis files that don't have further transitions) 1389492;1454110843;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLjI7W ) 1389493;1454110981;phf;actually that one seems to be buggy? there isn't any branching, they all are linear. hmm 1389494;1454111533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0005576 = 20.91 BTC [-] {6} 1389495;1454112078;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency FIRST!!! 1389496;1454112079;gribble;Error: 'FIRST!!!' is not a valid currency code. 1389497;1454112120;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1389498;1454112129;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.27, vol: 13543.66759622 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.724, vol: 8758.31056 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 377.49, vol: 62224.11038134 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.99, vol: 6.2435984 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.88072, vol: 79125.12340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.91559, vol: 613.79457287 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 385.572769, vol: 50.78882564 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 1389499;1454112136;BingoBoingo;;;more 1389500;1454112136;gribble;average: 381.403841153 1389501;1454112155;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --currency jpy 1389502;1454112156;gribble;Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. 1389503;1454112168;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency jpy 1389504;1454112176;gribble;Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 45800.3168, vol: 13547.40184749 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 46355.40976, vol: 8757.95763 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 46387.7488, vol: 6.2435984 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 46630.877384, vol: 79126.78360000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 45500.0, vol: 46.76868694 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 46698.41221, vol: 50.78882564 | Volume-weighted last average: 46495.7976395 1389505;1454112404;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1389506;1454112411;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2534.1, vol: 79113.51580000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2534.1 1389507;1454112480;shinohai;;;ticker --market all --currency sweet young virgins 1389508;1454112482;gribble;Error: 'sweet' is not a valid currency code. 1389509;1454112594;punkman;;;diff 1389510;1454112595;gribble;1.2003334065123697E11 1389511;1454112606;punkman;;;diffchange 1389512;1454112608;gribble;Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 11.54629 % based on data for last three days 1389513;1454112920;punkman;bitfury's 40MW datacenter could do 600petahash with their 16nm chips 1389514;1454112927;BingoBoingo;shinohai: It takes currency codes only so instead of "sweet young virgins" you gotta enter "cntvs" for "cunt, virgin sweet" 1389515;1454113115;shinohai;^^ 1389516;1454113398;funkenstein_;eh let captain kirk go where no man has gone before 1389517;1454113399;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/l2oplLE.png?1 << No matter how much you try to appease hamplanets there's always that that's too fat. 1389518;1454113400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UwaGB6 ) 1389519;1454113600;punkman;;;genrate [calc 12 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000] 1389520;1454113602;gribble;The expected generation output, at 12000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 1.20033340651e+11, is 50.2766828319 BTC per day and 2.09486178466 BTC per hour. 1389521;1454113637;punkman;;;calc 50.27 * [avgprc USD 30d] 1389522;1454113638;gribble;20521.2194 1389523;1454113660;punkman;(12 petahash, aka one bitfury container thingie) 1389524;1454113760;punkman;"16nm chips for total hashpower of 12PH/s, 1.5MW (rev1) or 16PH/s, 2MW (rev2)" 1389525;1454113895;punkman;guess that 40MW-600phash calculation I saw in some comments somewhere might be off a bit 1389526;1454114045;BingoBoingo;tumblr sex https://i.imgur.com/3bc9Yuh.jpg 1389527;1454114046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1UwbSEt ) 1389528;1454114210;punkman;2mw per day at $0.15kwh ,,calc 48000 * 0.15 1389529;1454114226;punkman;;;calc 48000 * 0.15 1389530;1454114227;gribble;7200 1389531;1454114340;danielpbarron;heh the boy is touching himself 1389532;1454114791;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389517 <<< Sadly it seems everyone in America feels entitled to make manufacturers do as they wish. 1389533;1454114791;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 00:23:19; BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/l2oplLE.png?1 << No matter how much you try to appease hamplanets there's always that that's too fat. 1389534;1454115145;BingoBoingo;In other news Qatar made a sports car http://www.arabgt.com/%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9-elibreia-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%B0%D8%A8-%D8%AC%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%87%D8%A7 1389535;1454115147;assbot;سيارة Elibreia القطرية تجذب جميع الأنظار نحوها | ArabGT ... ( http://bit.ly/23z6Ltt ) 1389536;1454116011;mod6;ok lemme try to answer some questions here... 1389537;1454116049;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: 99996k built and running. back to scarfing blocks. should be synced early next week. << ok awesome, glad you got it working 1389538;1454116083;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> You must install 'bc' on your build machine << ah, ok. 1389539;1454116154;BingoBoingo;Looks like fiat intends to declare war on Aedes aegypti and Aedes albopictus 1389540;1454116178;mod6;what's the cannonical makeclean, rm -rf * in /rotor ? << yeah, i would just blowaway the entire 'rotor' directory along with all the V stuff. the stuff that I would save is just the .wot dir, the keys contained therein, and of course, your ~/.gnupg stuff (ofc. have backups etc (this is for everyone who blew their keys away once)) : then totally restart the entire script. 1389541;1454116238;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> ftr mod6 : i ended up with two rotor.sh scripts, one under rotor the other under rotor/test2 << yeah, if all goes well, you should ~only~ need to just execute the build script -- if you have to execute either of the rotor.sh scripts, then something went wrong. 1389542;1454116241;shinohai;I just nuked my entire rotor directory on build machine every time I am doing an update 1389543;1454116276;mod6;obviously this is not how we want things to be -- will be the main focus to be to get rid of the build script we're using today and move to a version of trinque's makefiles. 1389544;1454116310;mod6;it doesn't scale obviously for everyone to have these issues. for my own sanity, we need to make it so that a guy just basically does one thing and then it builds. 1389545;1454116313;mod6;no exceptions to this. 1389546;1454116347;mod6;so yeah, after the first, will be a main focus there -- all are encouraged to help me get to this goal. 1389547;1454116390;shinohai;you have my support for as many hours of testing and reporting as needed. o7 1389548;1454116436;mod6;<+hanbot> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389355 << if this isn't already a standard example, anyone feel like talking me through this option jungle? (starting v99996 for the first time) << so i think all that is really required here is `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=A.B.C.D -addnode=W.X.Y.Z &` 1389549;1454116436;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 21:39:38; shinohai: ascii_butugychag: LC_ALL=C nohup bitcoind -conf=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -datadir=/home/shinohai/.bitcoin/ -setverstring=bitcoind -setvernum=99997 -logtimestamps -myip=127.0.0.1 -verifyall 2>&1 & 1389550;1454116459;mod6;But it totally depends. It depends on if you have ~/.bitcoin available for your blockchain repo, or if its in a different place. 1389551;1454116464;mod6;if so you need to use -datadir= 1389552;1454116476;mod6;if you want to verify all signatures in a block; use -verifyall 1389553;1454116491;mod6;if you want to send btc and not get malleated, you may use: -lows 1389554;1454116514;mod6;if you want to connect to just a single node instead of many, use: -connect (instead of -addnode) 1389555;1454116555;mod6;if you have .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -- then you shouldn't need to use the flag: -conf 1389556;1454116571;mod6;for sure let me know if there are other ones that you wanna know about :] 1389557;1454116588;mod6;TomServo: ok, something very bad (tm) is happening on your end. 1389558;1454116632;mod6;Please, let's work together to discover what that might be. I'm worried that either V is failing on your side for some reason (it seems to not be pressing out the tree correctly) -- maybe you tried to build over an old build space, or who knows. 1389559;1454116643;mod6;But we should attempt to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. 1389560;1454116699;mod6;There are steps that I can let you know about to walk you through setting this up and logging your every move so we can all discover what it is that isn't working on your end. Because I'd bet dollars to donuts that for somereason you are ending up with a super downlevel version of db.cpp -- which is why you're getting stuck on 252`450 1389561;1454116723;mod6;thanks shinohai 1389562;1454116729;shinohai;Ok my old Ubuntu server and the other Deb machine both built with the script pete_dushenski posted earlier 1389563;1454116752;mod6;ok sweet. that's a good thing. 1389564;1454116762;shinohai;The Ubuntu server is remote - lost connection and had to reconnect 1389565;1454116786;mod6;if hanbot and Mr. P. can get through it ok, then we'll deedbot it -- not that I feel good about it - I don't. The thing isn't what we really want... it's just what we have, for now. :/ 1389566;1454116835;mod6;the entire build process is incredibly complex and we need to desperately reduce that compelxity as much as we can. 1389567;1454116844;shinohai;I can work with it because I've used variation of it for so many builds. But I understand the issues at hand. 1389568;1454116852;mod6;exactly. 1389569;1454116892;shinohai;I won't lie those, there are times I cry " mod6 HALP!!!!" 1389570;1454116899;mod6;my goal is that someone who doesn't really know much -- but at least enough to install Linux can build this with a "single button push" 1389571;1454116901;shinohai;*though 1389572;1454116949;mod6;Yeah, the good news is: We have a statically linked bitcoind that has come quite a long way from where we started. Infact, the original version flat out will not work any longer -- ala TomServo's issue. 1389573;1454116963;mod6;However, the process to build said binary is quite arduous and we need to perfect that part. 1389574;1454116979;mod6;Then we'll be ready to take on the more challenging parts this year -- i.e. the mempool etc. 1389575;1454116989;mod6;But we can't work on that, until we have something that people can use today. 1389576;1454117003;mod6;what good is fixing the mempool or other things if they can't build it and use it today? 1389577;1454117033;mod6;if someone says "hey fuck these ``Classic and XT clowns, I want REAL BITCOIN'', then we need to ensure that they can build that. 1389578;1454117039;mod6;that's our charge. 1389579;1454117049;shinohai;It goes with the territory though. So many moving parts and this is relatively young in it's existence 1389580;1454117109;mod6;Yup. It's complex. We've come a long way. 1389581;1454117130;mod6;trinque did us all a huge favor, but we need to perfect the thing and make it a "no brainer" 1389582;1454117151;mod6;that will be my main goal as soon as the SoBA for january is complete. 1389583;1454117165;mod6;which, I aim to work on tonight :] 1389584;1454117190;mod6;As soon as we have our new build process in place, and it's sane, and "Works" and "fits in head" and all that, then we'll release. 1389585;1454117213;mod6;And hopefully, this will end some of our tooling issues for a while, and we can focus on the large engineering issues at hand. 1389586;1454117218;mod6;*larger 1389587;1454117673;punkman;mod6: my goal is that someone who doesn't really know much << wouldn't this guy be better off downloading a signed binary? 1389588;1454117771;mod6;this to me always seems like a shaky idea -- ONLY even a possibility if we get all the compiler garbage fixed so that it produces (bitwise) the ~exact~ same binary every single time. 1389589;1454117869;mod6;i do think, as a republic, we're laying the groundwork for that at some point to be a possibility. 1389590;1454117877;mod6;so stragicially, we're moving in the correct direction there. 1389591;1454117943;*;shinohai would contribute a .deb package with same result 1389592;1454118028;mod6;Look at how much stuff we accomplished in January! 1389593;1454118086;mod6;I feel good about the work that you all put in this month. Thanks to everyone who helped the republic be successful this month. 1389594;1454118117;*;shinohai drinks to tmsr~ [~]D 1389595;1454118123;mod6;Salud! 1389596;1454118136;punkman;does the trb server have room for a buildatron that eats patches and craps out bitcoind's? 1389597;1454118298;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389199 << certainly, I'd be happy to host it 1389598;1454118298;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 20:10:39; mod6: and upon a few others successfully building, trinque, can you work your magic with deedbot and place that guy in there so its like deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-v99996K.sh or whatever? 1389599;1454118368;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389272 << there's some tweaking I'd like to do, would be happy to have your thoughts on the thing when you're able if you see other improvements 1389600;1454118368;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 20:34:34; mod6: as soon as i get through the end of this month, a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand. 1389601;1454118495;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384068 << I designed the makefiles to take a BUILDER variable, of which there is currently only rotor. perhaps this is the place to add an openbsd builder, which could apply unofficial patches as they are necessary after V press 1389602;1454118495;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 08:18:57; phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly 1389603;1454118578;mod6;<+trinque> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389199 << certainly, I'd be happy to host it << outstanding, thanks! 1389604;1454118578;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 20:10:39; mod6: and upon a few others successfully building, trinque, can you work your magic with deedbot and place that guy in there so its like deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-v99996K.sh or whatever? 1389605;1454118630;mod6;<+trinque> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389272 << there's some tweaking I'd like to do, would be happy to have your thoughts on the thing when you're able if you see other improvements << yeah, please, if you have the time, i'd really like to work with you to help us not only get the makefiles updated with the latest V and other things, but to also figure out all of this stuff. 1389606;1454118630;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 20:34:34; mod6: as soon as i get through the end of this month, a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand. 1389607;1454118662;trinque;I will probably be out all day tomorrow, but the next day or sometime next week will work for me. 1389608;1454118685;mod6;<+trinque> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-01-2016#1384068 << I designed the makefiles to take a BUILDER variable, of which there is currently only rotor. ... << for now, as far as I'm concerned, this is totally ok. we'll have to worry about other *nix's after we perfect getting linux x86-64 done with a CD to boot also. 1389609;1454118685;assbot;Logged on 24-01-2016 08:18:57; phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly 1389610;1454118709;mod6;<+trinque> I will probably be out all day tomorrow, but the next day or sometime next week will work for me. << no rush here. i'd like to dig into this sometime next week. 1389611;1454118716;trinque;cool. 1389612;1454118741;mod6;I feel like, if you and I put some serious effort with help from #b-a, for like 2 weeks, we'd really be somewhere by the end of february. 1389613;1454118768;mod6;which would allow us some full testing time - at the end of which, we sign patches and call it a release. 1389614;1454118802;mod6;two weeks kinda sounds like it might be a lot, but you know how this stuff goes ;) 1389615;1454118882;trinque;that sounds good to me. 1389616;1454118886;mircea_popescu;mod6 and in the same vein as prev comment : why does bitcoind end up in /bitcoin/src ? 1389617;1454118933;mod6;mircea_popescu: no specific reason, we just leave it in place after compilation. moving to trinque's setup resolves this. 1389618;1454118940;mircea_popescu;kk\ 1389619;1454118978;mod6;you think i should copy it somewhere in the v99996 build script before i jump onto other things? i'd rather just let sleeping dogs lie there, just because very soon we're gonna ditch it anyway. 1389620;1454119037;mircea_popescu;yeah ok 1389621;1454119120;mod6;oh hey 1389622;1454119132;mod6;btw, did it ever build ok for you after the 'bc' issue? 1389623;1454119151;mod6;hanbot: did you get it to work too? 1389624;1454119242;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389165 << the MSU Chemistry department is decidedly standardized on chalk. We had these nice 1" thick chalk, was great for drawing molecules you could read from the back of the lecture hall 1389625;1454119242;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 19:57:06; mircea_popescu: hey, best part of physics lab was the blackboard imo 1389626;1454119268;PeterL;I always hated when we had to use a room in the physics department, they used whiteboards 1389627;1454119287;mircea_popescu;mod6 : latest trb v99996 on 91.218.246.31 says "blocks" : 4500, "connections" : 13, 1389628;1454119300;mod6;ah ok!! 1389629;1454119302;shinohai;btw mod6 I still have to add the export PERL_MM_OPT= to mine to get it to run, dunno what weird issue I have that causes it. 1389630;1454119307;mircea_popescu;minor snags as detailed in logs. but nothing really worth the mention 1389631;1454119315;mod6;ok gotcha 1389632;1454119323;mod6;shinohai: that *is* weird. 1389633;1454119364;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey, just because im curious -- let me know if you get past 252`450 -- or if you'd rather, check and see if you have the most recent db.cpp 1389634;1454119381;mod6;TomServo's issues have me a bit curious there. 1389635;1454119409;mircea_popescu;mod6 ima look one sec 1389636;1454119416;mod6;Thanks Sir. Much appreciated. 1389637;1454119440;mircea_popescu;mod6 565faf3ef371f5e2178ae30c45b08b93415eeb92263486e68f2ac2e8f4c7900056e628804bf5c0707a90be946e0aeaebfcd0a391aab40de2e5d56e6bcbdccb1e db.cpp that help ? 1389638;1454119478;mircea_popescu; dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(2737000); 1389639;1454119480;mircea_popescu;yeah seems right. 1389640;1454119481;mod6;Thanks Sir. Much appreciated.# sha512sum db.cpp 1389641;1454119482;mod6;565faf3ef371f5e2178ae30c45b08b93415eeb92263486e68f2ac2e8f4c7900056e628804bf5c0707a90be946e0aeaebfcd0a391aab40de2e5d56e6bcbdccb1e db.cpp 1389642;1454119490;mod6;oops, copied too much there. 1389643;1454119501;mod6;yah, looks good to me. very good. 1389644;1454119504;mircea_popescu;cool. 1389645;1454119527;mod6;hmm. perhaps he has something environmental going on. be interesting to get to the bottom of that mystery. 1389646;1454119539;mircea_popescu;TomServo how much ram does the system actulaly have ? 1389647;1454119568;mod6;just dial: 1888-MOD-6HLP 1389648;1454119596;mod6;:D 1389649;1454119608;mircea_popescu;better than 0-800-NO-HODL 1389650;1454119624;mod6;haha 1389651;1454119729;mircea_popescu;o look at that, blockchain 10% done! 1389652;1454119732;mircea_popescu;hurr 1389653;1454119742;mod6;running -verifyall ? 1389654;1454119747;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1389655;1454119754;mod6;werd 1389656;1454119766;mircea_popescu;also running -connect 1389657;1454119772;mircea_popescu;because why would i take stuff from the webs. 1389658;1454119795;mod6;ya, i agree with that when sync'ing up. get a verified chain from a trusted node. 1389659;1454119805;mircea_popescu;yup. 1389660;1454119807;mod6;then make a backup (for those who haven't) 1389661;1454119844;trinque;shinohai: I'd type env in a terminal of yours, see what your system is setting 1389662;1454120007;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389489 << ok that's great. 1389663;1454120007;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk 1389664;1454120032;trinque;also, deedbox will be down shortly for SSD installation, whenever the DC pulls it 1389665;1454120045;mircea_popescu;phf what do you use to graph ? 1389666;1454120232;hanbot;mod6 v99996 up and running here, couldn't've asked for something smoother. 1389667;1454120279;mod6;wow, hanbot. congrats! 1389668;1454120293;mod6;Thanks for the feedback. :] 1389669;1454120329;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389541 << i did have to run the rotor by hand. 1389670;1454120329;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:10:38; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ftr mod6 : i ended up with two rotor.sh scripts, one under rotor the other under rotor/test2 << yeah, if all goes well, you should ~only~ need to just execute the build script -- if you have to execute either of the rotor.sh scripts, then something went wrong. 1389671;1454120352;mircea_popescu;anyway mod6 this is a milestone for teh foundation, got three instances spun up on the same fucking day of the release. 1389672;1454120355;mircea_popescu;within hours really 1389673;1454120371;mod6;ok, on that note then; we've got myself, shinohai, bitcoin_pete, hanbot, Mr. P. and who am i forgetting that have built v99996 build script -- i'd say let's put it in deed bot and update the wiki. 1389674;1454120386;mod6;mircea_popescu: that's great! very nice progress indeed. 1389675;1454120410;mircea_popescu;o right, more like 5 huh 1389676;1454120412;mod6;Couldn't have been possible without all of you. 1389677;1454120434;mircea_popescu;anyway, im only going to announce the new nodes once they're synced and i open them to public i figure. 1389678;1454120454;mod6;Thanks for doing so! That's awesome. 1389679;1454120461;mircea_popescu;currently kinda useless to advertise nodes that run in -connect 1389680;1454120466;shinohai;I'll open mine to public when I finish my battle with Comcast. 1389681;1454120482;mod6;give 'em hell, shinohai 1389682;1454120513;PeterL;does it sync faster in -connect rather than -addnode? 1389683;1454120513;mircea_popescu;lol no gaming on comcast cable ? 1389684;1454120539;mircea_popescu;PeterL probably. moreover, it allows the trb network to be built in depth. what the fuck do we even have the fronteer nodes for if not to protect us 1389685;1454120583;mircea_popescu;i haven't the slightest curiosity to find what rando i couldn't tell from adam thinks the blocks look like. 1389686;1454120590;shinohai;mod6 Atlanta is one of the cities they decide to start enforcing data caps on. :/ 1389687;1454120597;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389489 << ok that's great. << this ~is~ a nice looking graph 1389688;1454120597;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk 1389689;1454120653;mod6;shinohai: wow. perhaps, it's not a horrible idea to look at a hosted solution instead of saturating your home conn. 1389690;1454120657;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389555 << incidentally, could all the flags be covered in .conf ? 1389691;1454120657;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:15:55; mod6: if you have .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -- then you shouldn't need to use the flag: -conf 1389692;1454120690;mod6;mircea_popescu: I believe they should. 1389693;1454120715;mod6;shinohai: you use the conf file quite a bit right? does it seem to work "as expected" ? 1389694;1454120721;mircea_popescu;and also, could we bundle a pre-created .conf file with the release ? something to include say all the public trb nodes as -connects and stuff, with a comment to explain to people how to turn it into a public node ? 1389695;1454120727;mircea_popescu;something like 1389696;1454120740;mircea_popescu;connect = X Y Z 1389697;1454120757;mircea_popescu;# to make this node public, make sure port 8333 is open, comment out the line above and uncomment the line below 1389698;1454120761;mircea_popescu;# somesetting 1389699;1454120773;mod6;hmm. i'd feel like that maybe that's a bit sticky incase IPs change or what not -- maybe an addition to the wiki would be a better place to start there? 1389700;1454120793;mircea_popescu;you just update it with every release. 1389701;1454120807;mircea_popescu;defaults are defaults, people are free to change them. but it's nice to have when out of the box like this 1389702;1454120837;mod6;sure. that makes some sense. if it reduces confusion, i think its positive. 1389703;1454120845;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just throwing it out there, for ppl to weigh in 1389704;1454120847;shinohai;mod6: it works as expected for me, maybe I'll draft one up in next couple of days 1389705;1454120863;mod6;hey hey, there you go bud. 1389706;1454120865;mircea_popescu;certainly gets it one step further to the "one command and it runs" ideal 1389707;1454120901;mod6;yah, shinohai that's be super helpful. 1389708;1454120910;mod6;*that'd 1389709;1454120966;mod6;you know something that is a lot different participating in TMSR as opposed to any other place i've worked at? 1389710;1454120973;mircea_popescu;whassat 1389711;1454120982;mod6;people in here ~care~ about problems. they wanna pitch in and help and make things better. 1389712;1454120996;mircea_popescu;that's the idea 1389713;1454121002;mod6;in typical US work environment, its mainly a lot of "oh, that's not my problem... talk to so and so..." 1389714;1454121013;shinohai;If you don't care about Bitcoin, you shouldn't be here. 1389715;1454121022;mod6;seeing us pull together and get problems solved, warms my heart. 1389716;1454121054;PeterL;maybe you just need to find better workplaces? 1389717;1454121065;shinohai;What good is being part of a Republic, if you do not contribute for the good of said Republic? 1389718;1454121087;mod6;lol, ive actually worked at a lot of places. it's totally different. people go there to get paid so they can continue buying shit they don't need and eating food that isn't food. 1389719;1454121101;mod6;this, like shinohai said, is different because people want it. 1389720;1454121110;mod6;"sound money is better than anything you've got" 1389721;1454121168;*;shinohai would not have nice new lappy without sound money! 1389722;1454121263;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389566 << actually it was really pleasant. 1389723;1454121263;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:20:35; mod6: the entire build process is incredibly complex and we need to desperately reduce that compelxity as much as we can. 1389724;1454121274;mircea_popescu;and i'm one easily irritated. 1389725;1454121538;shinohai;Chillax and smoke more weed mircea_popescu 1389726;1454121685;mircea_popescu;"blocks" : 88213, man that first coupla years go fast... 1389727;1454121758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389587 < no. 1389728;1454121758;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:34:33; punkman: mod6: my goal is that someone who doesn't really know much << wouldn't this guy be better off downloading a signed binary? 1389729;1454121828;mircea_popescu;for one thing, the VERY CONCEPT of signed binary no longer exists. 1389730;1454121835;mircea_popescu;we have a complex trees of signatures etc. 1389731;1454121882;mircea_popescu;for the other thing, no. it promotes this anti-computing, anti-intellectual, outright evil view of software being something that is given the user, like an item, rather than the correct view of software being a command given to the computer. 1389732;1454121886;mircea_popescu;and in general. fuck that shit. 1389733;1454121984;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389596 << so like a rotor reimplementation ? 1389734;1454121984;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:42:16; punkman: does the trb server have room for a buildatron that eats patches and craps out bitcoind's? 1389735;1454122021;shinohai;But it's what the user expects! 1389736;1454122101;punkman;I don't think "guy that doesn't know much" doing "curl deedbot.com/build.sh | sh" is great either 1389737;1454122115;phf;i'm using graphviz, v.lisp produces a file of 'digraph G {"bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32" -> "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation"; ...' format, everything else handled by graphviz 1389738;1454122115;phf; 1389739;1454122116;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1389740;1454122153;mircea_popescu;phf your v.lisp seems pretty advanced then :) 1389741;1454122193;phf;it gets the job done :] 1389742;1454122574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00056225 = 18.8635 BTC [+] {4} 1389743;1454123538;punkman;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389596 << so like a rotor reimplementation ? << more like some rotor automation to try various builds and lets you know what compiles or not 1389744;1454123538;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:42:16; punkman: does the trb server have room for a buildatron that eats patches and craps out bitcoind's? 1389745;1454124714;TomServo;mod6: Please assume I've mucked something up before all else. Let me know what I can provide that can be of help. 1389746;1454124729;TomServo;mircea_popescu: System has 2048 MB of RAM. 1389747;1454124880;TomServo;doh dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000); :( 1389748;1454125128;BingoBoingo;I'm sorry Russia https://i.sli.mg/YVzz6l.jpg 1389749;1454125130;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sqa80y ) 1389750;1454126406;punkman;"If you've never peddled the flesh of subhuman garbage creatures to human garbage, you've never lived, and living is a nightmare. Eat arbys" 1389751;1454126445;mod6;oh hai TomServo 1389752;1454126472;mod6;Well, you may have not have `mucked' anything up. Perhaps we can walk through this a bit. 1389753;1454126505;mod6;if you're around tonight, i'd like to walk through some steps. 1389754;1454126555;mod6;If not, tomorrow is fine too. Just want to ensure that we take a look at what might be going on there. 1389755;1454127650;mod6;BingoBoingo: haha. 1389756;1454127663;BingoBoingo;rotational problem for sure 1389757;1454127672;mod6;mmmhmm 1389758;1454128186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00056029 = 19.8903 BTC [-] 1389759;1454129476;mod6;ok, let's pick it back up in the morning. night! 1389760;1454129894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38750 @ 0.00056081 = 21.7314 BTC [+] {2} 1389761;1454130346;TomServo;Sorry, I had to step away. I've rebuilt w/ v99996k and am seeing the correct max_locks. 1389762;1454130367;TomServo;Still have the original build dir if that is any help. 1389763;1454130594;TomServo;Back up and running but no joy yet. Is unwedging unlikely? 1389764;1454130792;mircea_popescu;it should unwedge in a coupla hours or so. 1389765;1454130912;TomServo;cool. 1389766;1454131496;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389383 << this is spiffy 1389767;1454131496;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 22:09:55; phf: asciilifeform: check it http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition.png 1389768;1454131561;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389731 << quite 1389769;1454131561;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 02:44:42; mircea_popescu: for the other thing, no. it promotes this anti-computing, anti-intellectual, outright evil view of software being something that is given the user, like an item, rather than the correct view of software being a command given to the computer. 1389770;1454131595;asciilifeform;signed binary can be contemplated when there is simply no escape (e.g., firmware image, compiler bootstrap) but otherwise entirely braindamaged 1389771;1454132029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00056275 = 31.7391 BTC [+] {2} 1389772;1454132802;punkman;https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 l0l 1389773;1454132804;assbot;Mount efivarfs read-only · Issue #2402 · systemd/systemd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TsPAVX ) 1389774;1454133554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00055816 = 20.2054 BTC [-] 1389775;1454133596;ben_vulpes;b. n. 1389776;1454133733;ben_vulpes;;;later tell cazalla hey you 1389777;1454133734;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1389778;1454133813;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski 'hysterical raisins'! 1389779;1454133814;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1389780;1454134548;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389453 << let me tell you, the look of astonishment, disbelief, and 'omg my priors' on $admingurl's face when i told her i valued publishing the ssl piece under my own name so highly that no terrestrial rag could afford to buy it from me was udderly priceless 1389781;1454134548;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 23:10:49; mircea_popescu: ie, infantile delusions of sovereignity through "privacy". this doesn't work. sovereignity behaves publicly and with impunity. that is the fucking point. 1389782;1454134600;ben_vulpes;saying "no" to a hundred thousand dollars from Conde Nast is worth approximately 5x the bezzlebuxx in question. 1389783;1454134889;ben_vulpes;oh phf this is lovely 1389784;1454134935;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389489 << would it make sense to do this with edge-per-file and filenames on the edges? 1389785;1454134935;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 23:34:09; phf: http://glyf.org/tmp/trb-transition-hunks.png same as before but with a separate edge per hunk 1389786;1454135069;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389544 << i would also dearly like to hear about the setups people have in place for hacking on this codebase 1389787;1454135069;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:11:50; mod6: it doesn't scale obviously for everyone to have these issues. for my own sanity, we need to make it so that a guy just basically does one thing and then it builds. 1389788;1454135092;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform in particular 1389789;1454135100;ben_vulpes;mod6 and trinque as well 1389790;1454135238;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389171 << i have floor-to-ceiling mirrors, on which i use expos liberally for maths lessons for the girl and alphabet lessons for the kid 1389791;1454135238;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 19:58:18; ascii_butugychag: with ink markers 1389792;1454135283;ben_vulpes;but black is the only acceptable dry-erase color. 1389793;1454135367;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388975 << a million goddamn fucking times this 1389794;1454135367;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 18:58:55; ascii_butugychag: the overall idea i am trying to teach is that anybody changing a line of trb ought to be mindful of the work this creates for others 1389795;1454135436;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388910 << and to think i was trying to gently guide the keyid in question to enlightenment 1389796;1454135436;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 18:31:10; ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it bothered me that polarbeard apparently does not yet fully grasp that every line he writes is a unit of ~work~ for other people to do. 1389797;1454135987;ben_vulpes;first: node.js. second: "naw, vpatches are for faggots". third: 2.5kloc patch degendering reference implementation log statements. 1389798;1454136034;ben_vulpes;i am unconvinced that the six months have been paid, or that if they have any impression has been made. 1389799;1454137580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00055816 = 4.8281 BTC [-] 1389800;1454137945;punkman;http://dpaste.com/3AGX101 that plog library in single .h file after some crud-snips 1389801;1454137948;assbot;dpaste: 3AGX101: plog.h single file ... ( http://bit.ly/1VwCzt3 ) 1389802;1454138131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73400 @ 0.00055794 = 40.9528 BTC [-] {2} 1389803;1454139473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6279 @ 0.00055821 = 3.505 BTC [+] 1389804;1454143438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00055939 = 21.3687 BTC [+] {2} 1389805;1454144048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00056046 = 9.752 BTC [+] 1389806;1454144780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221850 @ 0.00056194 = 124.6664 BTC [+] {4} 1389807;1454146305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98900 @ 0.00056358 = 55.7381 BTC [+] {3} 1389808;1454147547;thestringpuller;Has Gavin really been turned into kid who eats glue in class? Cause he really seems that way when he says stuff like: 1389809;1454147551;thestringpuller;"Gavin: ... that's another form of centralization that I find much more worrying than network security. If the only entities participating are only high-net worth people, then those are pretty easy to get at and control." 1389810;1454147571;thestringpuller;Yes cause people like mircea_popescu are so easy to control. 1389811;1454147586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00056263 = 6.3015 BTC [-] 1389812;1454147589;thestringpuller;The SEC tried that you big dummy. Go back to MIT and continue to eat glue. 1389813;1454149538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00056403 = 18.1618 BTC [+] {2} 1389814;1454149660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36950 @ 0.00056468 = 20.8649 BTC [+] {3} 1389815;1454150392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73668 @ 0.00056545 = 41.6556 BTC [+] {4} 1389816;1454153076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23591 @ 0.00056555 = 13.3419 BTC [+] 1389817;1454154235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155105 @ 0.00056605 = 87.7972 BTC [+] {3} 1389818;1454154967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16070 @ 0.00056607 = 9.0967 BTC [+] {2} 1389819;1454155028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179230 @ 0.00056735 = 101.6861 BTC [+] {6} 1389820;1454157529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58015 @ 0.00056805 = 32.9554 BTC [+] {3} 1389821;1454159176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76203 @ 0.0005695 = 43.3976 BTC [+] {3} 1389822;1454160426;punkman;http://www.economist.com/news/business/21688871-china-wants-become-superpower-semiconductors-and-plans-spend-colossal-sums 1389823;1454160426;assbot;Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1nEwGzJ ) 1389824;1454160489;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller idiots actually moved to 100% discussing what i say, STILL can't fucking say my name ? 1389825;1454160517;mircea_popescu;seems the matter of control is squarely resolved in the field. mp can get to anyone in usg, to anything to them he damned well pleases. so it goes. 1389826;1454161152;mircea_popescu;!up AKWAnalytics 1389827;1454161154;mircea_popescu;!up kimowski 1389828;1454161205;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389782 << dude what in carnation are you on about. conde nast and money ?! wut ? 100k is their yearly budget for all of jezbel, you plan to churn out 10k attention whoring, vaguely concern trolling 500word pieces ? 1389829;1454161205;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 06:16:40; ben_vulpes: saying "no" to a hundred thousand dollars from Conde Nast is worth approximately 5x the bezzlebuxx in question. 1389830;1454161216;mircea_popescu;!up Frankie8 1389831;1454161223;mircea_popescu;!up aknix 1389832;1454161236;mircea_popescu;!up eamonnw 1389833;1454161246;mircea_popescu;!up itkin- 1389834;1454161254;mircea_popescu;!up kefkius 1389835;1454161270;mircea_popescu;!up Ripchord 1389836;1454161282;mircea_popescu;!up villan_ 1389837;1454161285;mircea_popescu;!up wpalczynski 1389838;1454161294;mircea_popescu;check it out, it's new guy day over at #b-a farms! 1389839;1454161311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00056679 = 22.3599 BTC [-] 1389840;1454161337;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389784 << you know, ~he~ wrote his own lispy v. 1389841;1454161337;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 06:22:15; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389489 << would it make sense to do this with edge-per-file and filenames on the edges? 1389842;1454161446;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389800 << nb, turns out only like 600 or so. 1389843;1454161446;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 07:12:25; punkman: http://dpaste.com/3AGX101 that plog library in single .h file after some crud-snips 1389844;1454161476;mircea_popescu;i had archive.is preserve the dpaste just in case anyone wants it after it expires. assbot has the link. 1389845;1454161542;kimowski;hi 1389846;1454161542;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389822 << they can afford it. unlike the us. 1389847;1454161542;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 13:27:06; punkman: http://www.economist.com/news/business/21688871-china-wants-become-superpower-semiconductors-and-plans-spend-colossal-sums 1389848;1454161547;mircea_popescu;how goes ? 1389849;1454161616;mircea_popescu;"so as to cease being dependent on foreign supplies." the chinese dream since forever. and they'll get it, too. 1389850;1454161693;kimowski;19s4DPDAw6F6nkjbUX1Rywb7vnjtGxdFX6 1389851;1454161702;kimowski;script? 1389852;1454161739;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1389853;1454161741;AKWAnalytics;hello #bitcoin-assets. MP, thank you for voice. Cheers. 1389854;1454161768;mircea_popescu;and who might you be AKWAnalytics ? 1389855;1454161822;AKWAnalytics;Just some guy. I need to verify ident as AKWAnalytics. My real name is Adam Wyatt. 1389856;1454161978;mircea_popescu;nice to meet you. 1389857;1454162002;AKWAnalytics;Likewise. 1389858;1454162433;mircea_popescu;"In the governments earlier efforts to boost domestic manufacturing of solar panels and LED lamps, it spread its largesse among a lot of local firms, resulting in excess capacity and slumping prices. This time it seems to be concentrating its firepower on a more limited group of national champions. For instance, SMIC of Shanghai is set to be Chinas champion foundry (bulk manufacturer of chips designed by ot 1389859;1454162433;mircea_popescu;hers). And HiSilicon of Shenzhen (part of Huawei, a maker of telecoms equipment) will be one of a select few champions in chip design. 1389860;1454162433;mircea_popescu;Most intriguing of all, Tsinghua Unigroup, a company spun out of Tsinghua University in Beijing, has emerged in the past year or so as the chosen champion among champions, a Chinese challenger to the mighty Intel. Zhao Weiguo, the firms boss, started out herding goats and pigs in Xinjiang, a remote province in north-western China, to where his parents had been exiled in the 1950s, having been labelled as dissidents. 1389861;1454162439;mircea_popescu; After moving to Beijing to study at the university, Mr Zhao made a fortune in electronics, property and natural resources, before becoming chairman and second-largest shareholder (after the university itself) at Tsinghua Unigroup." 1389862;1454162443;mircea_popescu;talk about the chinese dream. 1389863;1454162665;mats;moar arm garbage incoming 1389864;1454162892;mircea_popescu;oya. 1389865;1454162907;mircea_popescu;im rather curious what their strategic choice will be to unseat intel. 1389866;1454162917;mircea_popescu;i'd imagine they'd opt for "countless multitude" 1389867;1454162920;mircea_popescu;so arm. 1389868;1454164251;mats;pls no 1389869;1454166069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00056678 = 29.0191 BTC [-] {2} 1389870;1454166374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148072 @ 0.00056276 = 83.329 BTC [-] {4} 1389871;1454166580;mircea_popescu;why not ? will be great. lumbering chinese golem strong enough to fracture nato, force whatever remnants are actually worth saving into #b-a, crush the rest into alabama. 1389872;1454166598;mircea_popescu;this actually played out once before and it was epic. 1389873;1454170064;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389866 << correct. of pNohe, tablet, etc. rubbish. 1389874;1454170064;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 14:08:37; mircea_popescu: i'd imagine they'd opt for "countless multitude" 1389875;1454170067;asciilifeform;NOT workstations. 1389876;1454170090;asciilifeform;and guess what - they PAY THE FUCKIN BRITISH for 'license' for arm! 1389877;1454170096;asciilifeform;(it blew me away also when i learned this) 1389878;1454170113;asciilifeform;not ONLY do they use the foreign devil's masks, complete with backdoor turds, but PAY. 1389879;1454170176;asciilifeform;and loongson co. PAID for mips license ! and began using american mask, whole. i found this out and lost all interest because wtf. 1389880;1454170188;asciilifeform;that's the thing with orcs, they are very easily bought. 1389881;1454170220;asciilifeform;some cn politburo moron's daughters were admitted to princeton, or the like, in exchange for this 'strategic genius move' 1389882;1454170229;asciilifeform;almost certainly. 1389883;1454170241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it happens to be the correct strat for the table. 1389884;1454170258;mircea_popescu;and they'll get some bonus from redditard going "oh, this will make chips like 3d printable!11" 1389885;1454170263;asciilifeform;which table? to be nato's mineral whore while paying for the privilege ? 1389886;1454170278;mircea_popescu;you know on the long term the whore wins. 1389887;1454170286;asciilifeform;i dun see it 1389888;1454170334;asciilifeform;wake me up when an arm is designed on an arm workstation. anywhere on the planet. 1389889;1454170341;asciilifeform;and when the chip masks are also laid out by arm cluster. 1389890;1454170345;mircea_popescu;which is why the prisons are full of orcs with "booze and women put us here" rather than the other way around 1389891;1454170424;mircea_popescu;no idea where this mineral idea came from, but if you look on the net china is an importer of minerals. be it canadian oil or euro gold, they mostly buy. 1389892;1454170445;asciilifeform;these aren't minerals in the usual sense. 1389893;1454170449;mircea_popescu;... 1389894;1454170463;asciilifeform;speaking of pb, rare earths, and the like. 1389895;1454170494;mircea_popescu;they're getting a lot of mileage out of the rare earths. 1389896;1454170502;mircea_popescu;much moreso than say saudis are getting out of their oil. 1389897;1454170519;asciilifeform;re: arm, every few yrs i get an attack of the temptation to build a new workstation, and it never happens, and probably never will. would dearly love to buy something nato-free, wouldja tell me ~where~ ? 1389898;1454170551;asciilifeform;(and if it takes 100 hours to build motherfucking trb, it is NOT a workstation!) 1389899;1454170557;mircea_popescu;sure. i'll send the list to your cardano device! 1389900;1454170563;asciilifeform;l0lz 1389901;1454170588;mircea_popescu;im actually curious which happens first, trb hardware delivery or cn hardware delivery. 1389902;1454170625;punkman;asciilifeform: there are more "server ARM" things coming out lately, might eventually have a workstation 1389903;1454170627;asciilifeform;i always found it interesting that cn can not only not design own intel substitute, but cannot even ~produce shit copy~ 1389904;1454170645;asciilifeform;punkman: they are rubbish, every single one i ever saw. PLUS i'm not interested in nato arm ! 1389905;1454170653;asciilifeform;which is EVERY SINGLE ONE EVER made 1389906;1454170662;mircea_popescu;you know what michael famously said ? 1389907;1454170676;mircea_popescu;"i always found it interesting turks can not only not design own greek fire, but can't even produce shit copy!" 1389908;1454170687;mircea_popescu;just as teh cannons were blaring. 1389909;1454170689;asciilifeform;iirc they could not even use it when found 1389910;1454170694;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1389911;1454170721;asciilifeform;but actually i think mircea_popescu is right, we will have a 'triumph of the cockroaches' situation 1389912;1454170731;mircea_popescu;it's the correct strategy for the table. 1389913;1454170732;asciilifeform;'plebe does not need to compile anything' 1389914;1454170732;punkman;they wouldn't really sell a lot of bootleg-intels. shit ARM copy does power the megatons of phones though. 1389915;1454170754;asciilifeform;punkman: correct, nobody gives a damn about workstations 1389916;1454170759;mircea_popescu;when man fell asleep drunk, the molds get the food. 1389917;1454170770;asciilifeform;but if intel were somehow to cease to exist, cn et al would feel the heat. 1389918;1454170779;mircea_popescu;heh. 1389919;1454170793;mircea_popescu;cn has made a career out of an inability to feel the heat. 1389920;1454170809;asciilifeform;at that point, no arm either, just plow and kalash manufacture. 1389921;1454170834;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda curious if they're in for another great leap forward actually 1389922;1454170846;mircea_popescu;so far they were fortunate to get very liberal minded leadership 1389923;1454170874;mircea_popescu;the ru "90yos get together to decide which 70yos should retire" thing in full swing, but producing much less spew than the ru version did 1389924;1454170895;asciilifeform;possibly same spew but does not make it over the ocean ? 1389925;1454170910;mircea_popescu;i do have some (limited) microphones in there tho 1389926;1454170911;asciilifeform;cn is historically a champ at absorbing own spew 1389927;1454171061;mircea_popescu;notice incidentally how isis isn't making a single move in THAT direction. 1389928;1454171072;mircea_popescu;why not bomb nanking ? oh... 1389929;1454171080;mircea_popescu;because they're US puppets. riiiight. 1389930;1454171094;mircea_popescu;whole fucking thing's driven by china and they don't even have to do anything. 1389931;1454171261;mircea_popescu;in other news, oldest txn in mempool ? first seen jan the 25th, usual 14.7kb crud with 0.00015 fees. 1389932;1454171283;mircea_popescu;this faux "use" of bitcoin capacity has been ongoing for close to a year now. 1389933;1454171322;asciilifeform;i will l0l to death when i find out that mircea_popescu's tx debugger was ~also~ lisp-based 1389934;1454171338;mircea_popescu;and they are getting included, and basically EVERYONE is stuck storing 14.7kb in exchange for a one time payment of nothing at all in btc or about 5 cents to a third party 1389935;1454171372;mircea_popescu;it's fucking ridiculous. the current cost of 14.7kb is something like 1389936;1454171393;mircea_popescu;;;calc 100/1000000000 * 14.7 1389937;1454171394;gribble;1.47e-06 1389938;1454171423;mircea_popescu;so basically, if 10k people store the blockchain, it takes just as much in hard drive costs to store the damned txn as the miners get for including them. 1389939;1454171435;asciilifeform;i don't recall anybody (other than that lukejr fella) crying when s.dice was doing this. 1389940;1454171441;mircea_popescu;and this is no fancy sort of setup with raids and backups and whatnot. just man and his single cpu single hdd playstation. 1389941;1454171468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the whole power ranger array threw a hissy fit, started bitching about censoring txn and whatnot, 1389942;1454171489;mircea_popescu;i had to publicly bitchslap them and privately threaten burning and pillage to get them to shut the fuck up already. 1389943;1454171502;mircea_popescu;but THAT was not only an economic activity - it was the only economic activity in bitcoin at the time. 1389944;1454171513;mircea_popescu;this inept jockeying and pointless us-style politics bs... 1389945;1454171520;asciilifeform;this i recall, pretty much nothing else yet worked 1389946;1454171525;mircea_popescu;quite. 1389947;1454171529;*;asciilifeform even played, once, on s.dice ! 1389948;1454171613;*;mircea_popescu recalls the times when provisioning a bitcoin node came with "just set quota 100 gb or something, it'll never get there". 1389949;1454171621;asciilifeform;l0l aha 1389950;1454171637;mircea_popescu;now i can't even buy SSDs - admitting i somehow wanted to - because lol what, sub tb space ?! 1389951;1454171647;asciilifeform;i just got a tb ssd in 1389952;1454171669;mircea_popescu;and even the current state of the art spindle drives... they won't last for ever. that'll be an interesting bitcoin-fs application 1389953;1454171673;mircea_popescu;properly spanning volumes. 1389954;1454171698;asciilifeform;incidentally there is a peculiar fact about the supply line for those. just about all of the retail vendors here in washingtonistan... ration them 1389955;1454171712;mircea_popescu;leftover from the crisis days i imagine. 1389956;1454171723;mircea_popescu;because that's how bureaucracy goes in and then never leaves. 1389957;1454171742;asciilifeform;we needed half a dozen 1tb ssd last year at $plant and had to buy from that many vendors. 1389958;1454171752;mircea_popescu;wtf is this inept shit anyway ? 1389959;1454171765;*;mircea_popescu would have never bought. "sell me the half dozen or go to hell." 1389960;1454171777;asciilifeform;the folk rumour is that somehow there is an agreement where 'cloud' turdfarms get first dibs 1389961;1454171792;mircea_popescu;this is illegal and you have standing to fucking sue. 1389962;1454171798;asciilifeform;and any reseller found to be selling freely to plebes, will get to pay retain rates to samsung itself 1389963;1454171806;asciilifeform;sure as fuck 1389964;1454171832;asciilifeform;perhaps we can win five cents a head like the paypall class action just did 1389965;1454171834;mircea_popescu;"your honor, i tried to buy a hdd and they refused to sell me. vendor told me they have an illegal arrangement to promote the business interests of Amazon cloud services. I want 100 dollars in liquidated damages and 10bn in punitive damages kthx." 1389966;1454171849;asciilifeform;why feed the lawyers. 1389967;1454171852;mircea_popescu;you just file that, and let the good times roll in. 1389968;1454171862;asciilifeform;they roll in. for lawyers. 1389969;1454171878;mats;lol 1389970;1454171898;mircea_popescu;just file an' see. 1389971;1454171934;asciilifeform;anyway, as with the almost 100 year philips light bulb cartel, nobody who gives a fuck has any proof, nobody with proof - gives a fuck, etc. 1389972;1454171951;mircea_popescu;eh, proof. you ever heard of discovery ? 1389973;1454171969;mircea_popescu;they provide teh proof. 1389974;1454171980;asciilifeform;proof that would get a law firm interested, is what i was thinking 1389975;1454171988;mircea_popescu;you can file yourself. 1389976;1454171995;asciilifeform;this requires time & money. 1389977;1454172001;mircea_popescu;like 40 bucks or so iirc. 1389978;1454172015;mircea_popescu;65, something like that. 1389979;1454172023;asciilifeform;and dance in the court yourself also? 1389980;1454172026;asciilifeform;why not mircea_popescu do it ? 1389981;1454172057;mircea_popescu;i don't live there nor have i yet run into the problem. 1389982;1454172067;mircea_popescu;i do sue people that get in my way, tho. 1389983;1454172125;mircea_popescu;at any rate, the plan's very simple, go to large nat'l retailer, load half a dozen disks, when the cashier refuses to sell them sucker punch him, get the police report to say he wouldn't sell you the drives, pay the whatever it is to have punched a dude and settle for whatever coupla mil they're willing to pay to avoid discovery. 1389984;1454172152;mircea_popescu;your cut should be more or less the coupla mil, minus cab fare. 1389985;1454172179;asciilifeform;afaik this is only at online retailers, physical shops simply charge 100-200 usd more 1389986;1454172184;asciilifeform;and don't have the problem 1389987;1454172309;mircea_popescu;if what you mean is that large buyers get volume discounts, well doh ? 1389988;1454172316;asciilifeform;nono 1389989;1454172327;asciilifeform;'amazon' et al just have narrower margins. 1389990;1454172962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056819 = 8.6365 BTC [+] {3} 1389991;1454175976;ben_vulpes;eyy, mod6 so i just spun up v.pl on a new box and despite wget not being installed v.pl still claims successful sync 1389992;1454176009;mod6;um... 1389993;1454176016;mod6;oh, defect i guess? 1389994;1454176055;mod6;i'll have to check it out. thanks for letting me know. 1389995;1454176134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00056772 = 8.5726 BTC [-] 1389996;1454176189;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6 and trinque as well << hacking the codebase? << I just build the statically linked bin with rotor via the build-bitcoind script that everyone uses. 1389997;1454176215;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389788 << what would ben_vulpes like to know ? 1389998;1454176215;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 06:24:52; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform in particular 1389999;1454176313;mod6;i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff. 1390000;1454176564;ben_vulpes;(reminds me a bit of the "check every return code" naggum line) 1390001;1454176688;mod6;i just re-read what I typed there (sorry, just woke up, slept like the dead), and i don't mean to make it sound like a single line, even if sometimes it is! i just make the changes i need, the most minimal changes possible, then drop 'em in and see. 1390002;1454176712;asciilifeform;speaking of pc parts, found http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/15893/Novyj_korpus_Zalman_TNN500AF_ili_1_kilogramm_tishiny.html << ancient ru picture review of infamous ~entirely motherfucking silent~ pc chassis. good illustration of what this means. entirely unobtainable today at any price. 1390003;1454176713;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QO1VDy ) 1390004;1454176719;mod6;but, i typically don't hack straight on the built trb, ususally on a separate branch. 1390005;1454176729;mod6;i use the built thing to test my code changes and other config changes. 1390006;1454176758;asciilifeform;ftr i still use my original rotor build scripts. 1390007;1454176774;asciilifeform;i don't need or want the www loading stuff for anything. 1390008;1454176795;asciilifeform;in fact i think it ought to be abolished and replaced with pressed silver cd. 1390009;1454176807;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the dependencies will EVER change ! 1390010;1454176898;asciilifeform;re: the hardware pr0n link earlier, it is a good example of what i call an ~iridium toilet~ - as DISTINCT from a golden toilet, it is a device that is build with 1) price is no object 2) NOT FOR showing off and playing idiot tlp rolex status games. 1390011;1454177048;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in fact i think it ought to be abolished and replaced with pressed silver cd. << im not sure how to build this excatly. this is part of what we wanna talk about next week. 1390012;1454177074;mod6;not only with the makefiles, but are we actually thinking about distributing all the deps ON CD? 1390013;1454177077;asciilifeform;mod6: at the very least, all of the stuff presently loaded from www, could easily go on cd 1390014;1454177082;asciilifeform;yes all of the deps 1390015;1454177085;asciilifeform;why the hell not ? 1390016;1454177098;asciilifeform;there is what, a few 100M of them ? 1390017;1454177101;mod6;just a lot of 'em . 1390018;1454177105;asciilifeform;half a dozen 1390019;1454177134;mod6;yeah... there's a handful. i dunno, makes me nervous. 1390020;1454177148;asciilifeform;and loading them from the jungle every time, not nervous ? 1390021;1454177156;ben_vulpes;tres nervous. 1390022;1454177172;mod6;the whole thing maybe lol. 1390023;1454177175;ben_vulpes;we should really do a bsd, and sell the discs for a bitdime each. 1390024;1454177180;mod6;ok, we can revisit this next week. 1390025;1454177195;ben_vulpes;or rather, i'd like that. 1390026;1454177206;asciilifeform;i will laugh my self ~to death~ if it turns out that wget was 0day'd 1390027;1454177216;mod6;ben_vulpes: heheh. its more like: here's the source code, see what you can do with this. unless .1, then you can have CD and volla! 1390028;1454177221;mod6;we're totally not going to do that btw. 1390029;1454177257;asciilifeform;but in all seriousness, a battlefield trb oughta be built on a virginal airgapped box. 1390030;1454177277;asciilifeform;this means cd with known bits. 1390031;1454177285;mod6;someone asked me why I don't create vpatches of the changes to V. 1390032;1454177297;mod6;and that's basically because it's not "ready" per-se. 1390033;1454177333;mod6;maybe in 6 months to a year, then we'll be in a spot where it's in a more hardened form. takes some time, and people using it to flush some of the shit out. 1390034;1454177340;jurov;https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/673724/d9809e674cde21df/ emacs does *what*? 1390035;1454177342;assbot;Removing support for Emacs unexec from Glibc [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1QO2Zr2 ) 1390036;1454177367;jurov;"the Emacs unexec() function that converts the running program into a new executable." 1390037;1454177394;asciilifeform;jurov: this is sorta like 'save-lisp-and-die' in the cl world 1390038;1454177417;jurov;but to hardwire it in the build process and C library? 1390039;1454177452;mod6;oh yeah, and i remember now... 1390040;1454177469;asciilifeform;'Stallman, though, thought that it would be better discussed in private: "This a sensitive issue; it is best to discuss it without an audience."' << sad. 1390041;1454177514;mod6;<+asciilifeform> why the hell not ? << because i tried to kinda sorta do this already... buildroot is hardcoded to download (rsync) all of its deps and stuff it needs from net. we'd have to "hack" our own buildroot. 1390042;1454177528;mod6;heh, kinda like V. 1390043;1454177530;asciilifeform;it is necessary. 1390044;1454177542;asciilifeform;and i will note that ~my~ v load NOTHING from the net. 1390045;1454177554;asciilifeform;and i still see this is as the Right Thing. 1390046;1454177567;asciilifeform;it is the responsibility of the operator to feed the hopper. 1390047;1454177583;asciilifeform;how would you feel about a table saw that walks around looking for what to saw ? 1390048;1454177642;mod6;i guess v99995 could rip all that stuff out. certainly would condense the code a bit. 1390049;1454177748;ben_vulpes;i'm with stan, fwiw. 1390050;1454177798;mod6;okie dokie. 1390051;1454177810;ben_vulpes;a small step to the disc would be to slam buildroot, openssl, bdb and boost into a tar.gz and stick it on the website. 1390052;1454177825;ben_vulpes;idem for the vpatches. 1390053;1454177854;mod6;not sure i follow there, what'd be the techincal purpose of that? 1390054;1454177879;ben_vulpes;rather than including procurement of deps in the build scripts, force users to actually download the deps themselves. 1390055;1454177984;TomServo;or a nob to include a local path, else procurement? 1390056;1454178072;mod6;TomServo: hey! did you ever get unwedged? 1390057;1454178092;TomServo;Negative. Was just going to ask if there is any value in keep it.. 1390058;1454178105;TomServo;keeping it running* 1390059;1454178112;mod6;i would 100% start over, including in your .bitcoin dir. 1390060;1454178123;TomServo;will do 1390061;1454178123;mod6;it doens't take long to pass that spot anyway. 1390062;1454178136;mod6;alright, thanks, let us know. 1390063;1454178388;jurov; asciilifeform: there are more "server ARM" things coming out... << you really want like, 64 shitty cores on the workstation instead of 4x x86? 1390064;1454178411;asciilifeform;jurov: i want a non-nato computer. 1390065;1454178414;asciilifeform;is this hard to understand ? 1390066;1454178426;asciilifeform;and yes, this means arm doesn't cut it even if somehow 500x faster. 1390067;1454178429;jurov;i asked punkman, not you 1390068;1454178432;asciilifeform;arm is a british design. 1390069;1454178433;asciilifeform;ok 1390070;1454178611;jurov;and i don't have anything to say about non-nato computers3 1390071;1454178880;phf;ben_vulpes: so actually inside the patch hunks are grouped by files, what i was referring to as hunks are actually per file hunk groups. so in other word the graph is already edge-per-file. i added the labels but it looks dodgy http://glyf.org/tmp/labels1.png http://glyf.org/tmp/labels2.png 1390072;1454178883;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuXnGn ) 1390073;1454178888;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nuXmCf ) 1390074;1454178911;ben_vulpes;aha, that's what i thought! 1390075;1454178919;ben_vulpes;yeah, messy. 1390076;1454178973;ben_vulpes;phf: is this mod6's svgerator or your own? 1390077;1454179007;mod6;ok, well i did just rip out all the sync/init/mirrors parts of V 1390078;1454179023;mod6;and it eliminates at least 167 lines of code. 1390079;1454179032;asciilifeform;mod6: neato! 1390080;1454179033;mod6;and seems to work ok... but i'll hvae to test this quite a bit. 1390081;1454179035;ben_vulpes;(and the wget 0day!) 1390082;1454179051;asciilifeform;phf: spiffy diagram, quite like what i had in mind originally in fact 1390083;1454179084;mod6;is it worthwhile to rip out my graphing stuff out of V? 1390084;1454179105;asciilifeform;phf: now, instead of the multiple arrows, which really don't convey any useful info, it would be interesting to vary the ~thickness~ of the lines based on the 'weight' of the change. 1390085;1454179121;asciilifeform;mod6: not unless it could somehow exist separately 1390086;1454179141;asciilifeform;the graph thing is very useful. 1390087;1454179157;mod6;alright, fwiw, it does work. could use some more colorization and attention to details like you and Mr. P. have suggested. 1390088;1454179172;asciilifeform;phf: ah i just noticed that you had the file changes marks. this ~is~ useful. 1390089;1454179175;mod6;i just haven't focused on that part as much for obv reasons. 1390090;1454179213;mod6;so -- i might need several weeks at min to test out v99995 of V 1390091;1454179231;mod6;i gotta re-write a lot of automated tests and stuff too. 1390092;1454179249;mod6;actually, it might just elimiate a bunch of tests. 1390093;1454179303;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389596 << what would this be good for? you are welcome to sign + post the binaries to ml yourself 1390094;1454179303;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 01:42:16; punkman: does the trb server have room for a buildatron that eats patches and craps out bitcoind's? 1390095;1454179367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115400 @ 0.00056589 = 65.3037 BTC [-] {4} 1390096;1454179389;mod6;asciilifeform: while i'm on the subject (and anyone else for that matter): is there anything else that should be excised from the current V [v99996] ? 1390097;1454179397;mod6;aside from the sync/mirrors/init stuff? 1390098;1454179428;mod6;i'd like to get this into "battle-ready" shape once and for all. 1390099;1454179491;mod6;also, hehe, i downloaded this scheme interpreter to play with on my phone. 1390100;1454179505;mod6;its pretty funky. 1390101;1454179639;phf;asciilifeform: right, it's a state transition graph, with edges corresponding to file changes 1390102;1454179990;phf;asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/war-room.png 1390103;1454180006;asciilifeform;neato 1390104;1454180025;phf;that one looks pretty cool 1390105;1454180077;mod6;cool 1390106;1454180087;asciilifeform;war room! 1390107;1454180088;asciilifeform;l0l! 1390108;1454180105;asciilifeform;for completeness, arrows oughta be red, on black 1390109;1454180111;phf;haha 1390110;1454180422;ben_vulpes;heh 1390111;1454180621;asciilifeform;http://www.computerworld.com/article/3027924/it-industry/obama-wants-4b-for-more-computer-science-education.html << from the l0ltr0ns 1390112;1454180622;assbot;Obama wants $4B for more computer science education | Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1QO7IZN ) 1390113;1454180690;asciilifeform;cocktail of lulz 1390114;1454180702;asciilifeform;such as: microshit in charge of 'computer education' 1390115;1454180709;asciilifeform;and 'The timing of Saturday's announcement is slightly awkward for the White House. On Friday, security researcher Ashkan Soltani revealed that he was denied a security clearance to work there as a senior advisor to U.S. CTO Megan Smith. While Soltani declined to speculate on the government's reason to refuse the clearance, he previously worked with the Washington Post on analyzing documents from NSA leaker Edward Snowden.' 1390116;1454180732;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/ashk4n/status/693221584933363712 << i have no idea who he is/was, but this is hilarious 1390117;1454180788;asciilifeform;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/29/white-house-tech-researcher-denied-security-clearance-edward-snowden-nsa << moar from the other usa 1390118;1454180789;assbot;White House denies clearance to tech researcher with links to Snowden | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHcyCJ ) 1390119;1454180961;asciilifeform;aryans only plox ! 1390120;1454181380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40895 @ 0.00056178 = 22.974 BTC [-] {2} 1390121;1454181502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39905 @ 0.00056028 = 22.358 BTC [-] 1390122;1454181685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82382 @ 0.00056849 = 46.8333 BTC [+] {2} 1390123;1454182230;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389999 << just as it should be 1390124;1454182230;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 17:51:53; mod6: i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff. 1390125;1454182293;mircea_popescu;in... other ? news, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/world/americas/argentina-scrambles-to-fight-biggest-plague-of-locusts-in-60-years.html 1390126;1454182297;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1QOaBtn ) 1390127;1454182346;ben_vulpes;think they're going to try the sterile males trick? 1390128;1454182370;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390020 << they do get signed. seems a minor point, how you get them. 1390129;1454182370;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:05:48; asciilifeform: and loading them from the jungle every time, not nervous ? 1390130;1454182392;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i think they're going to try the sit around and talk about it while it goes away or whatever trick 1390131;1454182396;mircea_popescu;they are, after all, americans. 1390132;1454182398;ben_vulpes;paha 1390133;1454182450;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390029 << da fuck are you on about, bitcoin nodes connect to internet. 1390134;1454182450;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:07:37; asciilifeform: but in all seriousness, a battlefield trb oughta be built on a virginal airgapped box. 1390135;1454182465;asciilifeform;BUILT 1390136;1454182475;asciilifeform;as in, compiled. 1390137;1454182520;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390128 << this is pointedly mistaken. pgp messages are ALSO signed, yet we use airgapped boxes. why? 1390138;1454182520;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 19:32:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390020 << they do get signed. seems a minor point, how you get them. 1390139;1454182521;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390047 << how do you feel about a slut walking around looking for a cock to suck ? 1390140;1454182521;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:13:03; asciilifeform: how would you feel about a table saw that walks around looking for what to saw ? 1390141;1454182525;mircea_popescu;what, all tied to walls all day long ? 1390142;1454182565;asciilifeform;building battlefield crypto bin on a box with no nic is the Right Thing. 1390143;1454182575;mircea_popescu;looky : your design whereby a better water piping system consists of introducing a one foot gap somewhere so people can be employed to run the water across in buckets isn't as brilliant as it seems. 1390144;1454182587;mircea_popescu;there's a time and place for all things. 1390145;1454182593;asciilifeform;it isn't brilliant or sexy, but it is necessary. 1390146;1454182601;asciilifeform;wget entails a vast shitstack. 1390147;1454182611;mircea_popescu;if the machine is never going to connect to the internet, building on it airgapped is sane. 1390148;1454182615;asciilifeform;and a box on the other end, incidentally. 1390149;1454182623;mircea_popescu;if the machine will connect ot the internet anyway, what the fuck do you imagine "airgapping" it does ? 1390150;1454182630;asciilifeform;not IT 1390151;1454182635;asciilifeform;the ~build~ box 1390152;1454182638;asciilifeform;see the difference ? 1390153;1454182645;mircea_popescu;no. 1390154;1454182646;asciilifeform;wasn't speaking of the ~run~ box 1390155;1454182659;mircea_popescu;but the convenience here is exactly that i just compile on the run boxes. 1390156;1454182704;asciilifeform;i get that this is convenient. i did this with some of my nodes. but ultimately this is a sinful sort of convenience. 1390157;1454182714;mircea_popescu;which is how i discovered yest that for instance we have an undocumented "bc" dependency in the build tree 1390158;1454182722;asciilifeform;let me guess, buildroot's. 1390159;1454182732;mircea_popescu;all convenience is sinful by this measure. there's nothing wrong with a little sin. 1390160;1454182778;mircea_popescu;now, mind, i don't think it's wrong to have a cast cd of the thing, just like i don't think it's wrong to have an iridium idol of the "meter" somewhere in france 1390161;1454182794;asciilifeform;entirely wrong analogy. the point of cd is to have 10,000 iridium metres. 1390162;1454182800;mircea_popescu;but don't expect me to go to paris every time i'm about to fit tits for corsets. 1390163;1454182809;asciilifeform;let'em diddle the disk on ~everybody's~ desk. 1390164;1454182822;mircea_popescu;even so. 1390165;1454182833;asciilifeform;let's put it this way, that bdb tarball ain't ever chaning 1390166;1454182835;asciilifeform;*changing 1390167;1454182838;mircea_popescu;understand that introducing the ability to read cds is an unneeded kludge. 1390168;1454182839;asciilifeform;ditto bdb 1390169;1454182845;phf;asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/war-room2.png not quite right, but i like it 1390170;1454182848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QObxhu ) 1390171;1454182848;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin machine HAS TO internet 1390172;1454182849;mircea_popescu;it does not have to cd. 1390173;1454182858;asciilifeform;build machine doesn't. 1390174;1454182867;asciilifeform;plus the purpose of the cd is pointedly NOT to be read each time. 1390175;1454182870;asciilifeform;but as a standard. 1390176;1454182874;mircea_popescu;so then you internet a signed binary over rather than a v tree. meh. 1390177;1454182875;asciilifeform;you can push a tarball to your online box. 1390178;1454182891;mircea_popescu;i much prefer building on the dest box whenever feasible. 1390179;1454182896;asciilifeform;do you see the point of the openbsd cd ? 1390180;1454182900;asciilifeform;i - do. 1390181;1454182907;mircea_popescu;i also never used it. 1390182;1454182914;mircea_popescu;i did use the old debian cds, back in the day. 1390183;1454182928;mircea_popescu;but that because internets sucked then 1390184;1454182936;asciilifeform;they suck today. 1390185;1454183011;mircea_popescu;i don't even see the value of maintaining the cd as a thing in the world. it can go the way of the celuloid film afaic. 1390186;1454183026;asciilifeform;it is similar to the value of ~paper~ 1390187;1454183042;asciilifeform;bits that enemy cannot flip no matter how much he tries. 1390188;1454183046;mircea_popescu;according to proponents. it's similar to the value of vinyl, in reality. 1390189;1454183050;danielpbarron;the point of openbsd cd is to compare against downloaded version, no? 1390190;1454183052;mircea_popescu;paper, i write and read with my own hands. 1390191;1454183055;mircea_popescu;cds, not. 1390192;1454183073;mircea_popescu;so paper is in this sense the same as --clearsign. a cd is not that, not even remotely. 1390193;1454183085;asciilifeform;aluminum cd, in inert atmosphere, will easily outlast parchment. 1390194;1454183090;mircea_popescu;and also it's trivial to rewrite a cd. most of them are rewritable realy. 1390195;1454183100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu : FORGET about the rewritables!!! 1390196;1454183106;asciilifeform;they were NOT in the conversation. 1390197;1454183111;mircea_popescu;they are rewritable to some degree whether you wantthem to be or not. 1390198;1454183114;asciilifeform;SPECIFICALLY aluminum pressed cd. 1390199;1454183119;asciilifeform;and no, it motherfucking is not. 1390200;1454183122;mircea_popescu;heh 1390201;1454183122;asciilifeform;go, rewrite 1 bit for me. 1390202;1454183155;danielpbarron;get nubbins` or someone to make some nice artwork on it and i'll buy 1390203;1454183168;asciilifeform;in order for the idea to have any meaning, it has to be a pressed cd. 1390204;1454183176;asciilifeform;(yes, with the glass die, and whole orchestra) 1390205;1454183184;mircea_popescu;so to summarize : a) they're less resilient than you imagine them to be ; b) they're more rewritable than you imagine them to be ; c) keepi9ng them around requires keeping a whole pile of kludge that never worked right (cd drivers etc). 1390206;1454183196;asciilifeform;demonstrate rewriting of al pressed disk plox ? 1390207;1454183196;mircea_popescu;you wanna write trb by hand on stone, fine. 1390208;1454183202;asciilifeform;srsly 1390209;1454183214;mircea_popescu;you wanna press a vinyl copy of it... whatevs floats your boat but dun go all fetish-hypster on me 1390210;1454183260;asciilifeform;and what 'cd drivers.' modern drives plug through usb and enumerate as mass storage std. 1390211;1454183271;asciilifeform;if you can connect any external disk, you can connect cdrom reader. 1390212;1454183272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can we agree at least on the concept that the notation you'll use consists of making different sized holes for 0s and 1s ? 1390213;1454183292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they aren't simply 'different sized holes', there is reed-solomon encoding 1390214;1454183298;mircea_popescu;... 1390215;1454183306;mircea_popescu;yes or no will suffice. 1390216;1454183307;asciilifeform;it is not enough to burn an extra hole with gigantic laser, if that is what you were thinking. 1390217;1454183372;asciilifeform;(incidentally this is a first-class bitch to do with aluminum, esp. if you want the result to be visually inconspicuous, and not, say, a hole through the WHOLE disk sandwich.) 1390218;1454183393;asciilifeform;it has good thermal conductivity. i can't make so much as a dent in aluminum foil with 40W co2 tube. 1390219;1454183413;asciilifeform;there is a reason why cd-r uses dye rather than metal for the burn layer. 1390220;1454183452;mircea_popescu;none of this is really germane. 1390221;1454183456;asciilifeform;but let's posit an enormous tube. you will need to use excimer laser, i suspect. disk - will warp. 1390222;1454183464;mircea_popescu;the cd remains a sort of vinyl disc, for a, b and c above. 1390223;1454183473;asciilifeform;it is germane if it illuminates the hypothesis of 'can't quietly flip a bit on this' 1390224;1454183482;asciilifeform;thus far - it stands. 1390225;1454183519;mircea_popescu;it's more or less a 1966 argument that "it is not possible to alter a vinyl disc once printed because hurr durr the plastic will melt" 1390226;1454183532;asciilifeform;'a' is lunacy - there is NO more durable machine-readable storage presently known. 1390227;1454183553;asciilifeform;cd laughs at magnetic field, at electrostatic discharge, has nothing that self-oxidates if in inert atmosphere. 1390228;1454183562;asciilifeform;does not conduct current. 1390229;1454183563;asciilifeform;etc 1390230;1454183585;mircea_popescu;anyway, i gotta go to town. we can continue this when i'm back, but less symbolistic fetishism, more alphabetic monotheism plox. 1390231;1454183594;asciilifeform;'b' is an interesting hypothesis and i would pay to watch it demonstrated. 1390232;1454183619;asciilifeform;'c' is more defensible but we all have crates of usb cdrom readers. 1390233;1454183628;*;asciilifeform also bbl 1390234;1454184983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10975 @ 0.00056441 = 6.1944 BTC [-] {2} 1390235;1454185166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155458 @ 0.00057014 = 88.6328 BTC [+] {3} 1390236;1454185654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00057049 = 16.7154 BTC [+] 1390237;1454185716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49507 @ 0.00057198 = 28.317 BTC [+] {3} 1390238;1454186203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00057217 = 16.7932 BTC [+] 1390239;1454186935;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 423 @ 0.00284835 = 1.2049 BTC [-] {7} 1390240;1454187423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00057049 = 40.733 BTC [-] {2} 1390241;1454188216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18156 @ 0.00056947 = 10.3393 BTC [-] {3} 1390242;1454191094;phf;can someone with a full press (including shiva 2) verify that this is remotely correct hashes http://paste.lisp.org/display/306216 ? 1390243;1454191095;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki2WCp ) 1390244;1454191578;mod6;i can take a look, give me a few. 1390245;1454192127;mod6;ok do i understand this right? (i haven't done this since before the re-bake of tinyscheme) 1390246;1454192130;mod6;i need this: 1390247;1454192131;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html 1390248;1454192133;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP ) 1390249;1454192135;mod6;and this: 1390250;1454192147;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html 1390251;1454192147;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P ) 1390252;1454192485;mod6;and speaking of which, i'd also like to note that all of the sigs (seals) in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html are misnamed. http://dpaste.com/1KRXSBM.txt 1390253;1454192485;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P ) 1390254;1454192487;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki4GLR ) 1390255;1454192516;mod6;for the sake of this test, i'll just rename these in my .seals dir as they should be. 1390256;1454192771;mod6;http://dpaste.com/2Q73DJV.txt 1390257;1454192772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki58K3 ) 1390258;1454192869;mod6;ok pressed out & compiling... 1390259;1454192902;mod6;if this works, i'll do a clean and then grab the file hashes. 1390260;1454193121;mod6;ok compiled cleanly. 1390261;1454193645;mod6;with V [v99996] pressed out cleanly when: 1390262;1454193646;mod6;./v.pl p v rotor/TEST2 asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatch 1390263;1454193692;mod6;http://dpaste.com/26FWQ55.txt 1390264;1454193693;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki6moM ) 1390265;1454193869;mod6;here, phf, this one is sorted: http://dpaste.com/3WNFNYA.txt 1390266;1454193870;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki6BjE ) 1390267;1454193894;mod6;awe crap, sorry my manifest file is in the list. 1390268;1454193936;mod6;here: http://dpaste.com/27R03Q0.txt 1390269;1454193937;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki6GUz ) 1390270;1454194069;mod6;looks like our header files differ for sure. 1390271;1454194256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66243 @ 0.00056278 = 37.2802 BTC [-] {3} 1390272;1454194330;mod6;yeah, we got a bunch of files that differ. but i might have built something that you haven't. 1390273;1454196764;phf;mod6: thanks! well more common then different 1390274;1454196857;phf;i pressed it programmatically, without "patch" utility, before leaving home, so didnt have time to test it 1390275;1454196925;phf;so its encouraging that at least some files match 1390276;1454197090;mod6;ah, ok. cool. 1390277;1454197119;mod6;asciilifeform will have to confirm/deny that i used the correct patches. 1390278;1454197152;shinohai;>.> 1390279;1454197205;shinohai;Gonna try another 99996 build 1390280;1454197402;mod6;ah ok. just to see if you hit that same PERL_MM_OPT thing? or just on another OS? 1390281;1454197420;mod6;we need to get that script into deedbot so we can update the wiki 1390282;1454197794;shinohai;I'm doing a fresh, vanilla image so imma see what happens. 1390283;1454198130;mod6;coo 1390284;1454198343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57496 @ 0.00056576 = 32.5289 BTC [+] {2} 1390285;1454198788;mats;amd is dying 1390286;1454199635;BingoBoingo;mats: Where is it bleeding now? 1390287;1454199816;jurov;Where is v.py available to download? 1390288;1454199882;jurov;even v.pl, for that matter... :) 1390289;1454199938;jurov;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin does not indicate the thing exists at all 1390290;1454199939;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW ) 1390291;1454199962;jurov;and search.b-a won't find anything immediately useful 1390292;1454200015;jurov;i do have it, just trying on another computer, and said to myself - let's try this from perspective of newcomer 1390293;1454200036;jurov;looks like i got stymied right at very first step 1390294;1454200055;ben_vulpes;"read everything on the mailing list and call me in the morning" 1390295;1454200188;jurov;rly. 1390296;1454200198;jurov;okay, adding that to wiki 1390297;1454200289;kakobrekla;and once mailing list is thousands of pages, still the way to go? 1390298;1454200518;ben_vulpes;it's a joke! 1390299;1454200561;kakobrekla;hard to say. 1390300;1454200607;ben_vulpes;some truth in it. 1390301;1454200623;mod6;<+jurov> even v.pl, for that matter... :) << this is available in the ML & on the foundation homepage. 1390302;1454200696;mod6;<+jurov> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin does not indicate the thing exists at all << this should probably say something separate about V. but the build script grabs it as part of the build & verify proces. 1390303;1454200697;assbot;the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW ) 1390304;1454200700;mod6;*process 1390305;1454200757;mod6;so in reality, no you don't need V or anything. i think if you just follow dpb's wiki steps it's all good. 1390306;1454200782;mod6;but it really does need to be updated for v99996 today. 1390307;1454200891;mod6;trinque can you pu'http://dpaste.com/2VBF9V2.txt' in there (maybe run a dos2unix on it first) with a title like the other one ala 'build-bitcoind-V99996K.sh' or whatever? 1390308;1454200919;mod6;danielpbarron: do you wanna update the wiki as soon as there is a get-able deedbot entry for this? 1390309;1454200990;mod6;i guess i could do the deedbot part, not sure how to work it th 1390310;1454200991;mod6;tho 1390311;1454201045;mod6;oh looks like you can just pass it a dpaste 1390312;1454201058;jurov;i have added short info to that page 1390313;1454201214;jurov;yes it's on foundation homepage, i was blind 1390314;1454201312;BingoBoingo;At times we all are bling 1390315;1454201571;mod6;deedbot: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996.sh 1390316;1454201571;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20A0Hyq ) 1390317;1454201594;mod6;oh its not even in here. 1390318;1454201595;mod6;ok. 1390319;1454202003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281900 @ 0.00056106 = 158.1628 BTC [-] {8} 1390320;1454202231;BingoBoingo; cd laughs at magnetic field, at electrostatic discharge, has nothing that self-oxidates if in inert atmosphere. << Been doing cleaning and have taken to playing pressed cd's that by many rights out not be playing. (not a single cd-r from mess has played yet, including a few 5+ year old "archival" turds) 1390321;1454202339;danielpbarron;what needs to be changed? just the url to the .sh ? or are some of the steps different now? 1390322;1454202343;BingoBoingo;Has anyone yet tried making an alibaba shopping list for necessary equipment to start a cd replication line? 1390323;1454202692;ben_vulpes;deedbot.org script mentioned above i believe uses asciilifeform's old key 1390324;1454202700;ben_vulpes;hey, stan's bouncer died! 1390325;1454203001;mod6;<+danielpbarron> what needs to be changed? just the url to the .sh ? or are some of the steps different now? << yeah, i think the steps are going to be fine, other than the URL to the new script (when we finally get it deedbotted) and the name of the script. 1390326;1454203015;mod6;ofc. we'll wanna put our newb hats on and try the steps anyway tho 1390327;1454203137;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? 1390328;1454203137;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:36:47; mod6: ok, well i did just rip out all the sync/init/mirrors parts of V 1390329;1454203449;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390098 << it's altogether unclear to me how it isn't battle ready. 1390330;1454203449;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:43:48; mod6: i'd like to get this into "battle-ready" shape once and for all. 1390331;1454203468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90346 @ 0.00055924 = 50.5251 BTC [-] {2} 1390332;1454203469;ben_vulpes;so what is the thing to be done with korsgaard's key? 1390333;1454203546;mircea_popescu;nfi. 1390334;1454203555;mircea_popescu;ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own. 1390335;1454203564;mircea_popescu;then i can exclude his key and pretend he never lived. 1390336;1454203564;ben_vulpes;> read buildroot 1390337;1454203565;ben_vulpes;mk 1390338;1454203570;mircea_popescu;so then nothing. 1390339;1454203610;ben_vulpes;mod6: do you expect me to have korsgaard's key in my personal keyring when running build-bitcoind-V99996K.sh? 1390340;1454203635;mircea_popescu;and this is generally the way it goes. anyone wants to "take wget out" - fine. the path to this is you write your own wget, sign it and use that. 1390341;1454203765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390293 << sucks, huh. but good find. 1390342;1454203765;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 00:27:16; jurov: looks like i got stymied right at very first step 1390343;1454203812;mod6;i actually think if you follow the steps in the wiki, jurov is incorrect, you don't need to know anything about V. or download it seperately, or anything. the script does it all for you. 1390344;1454203816;mod6;same as the makefiles will do. 1390345;1454203828;ben_vulpes;;;later tell trinque hey buddy looks like your makefiles depend on keys in the personal keyring 1390346;1454203828;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390347;1454203838;mircea_popescu;mod6 well on the theory he didn't want to run the script. 1390348;1454203843;mircea_popescu;i suppose this qualifies as advanced use tho 1390349;1454203867;mod6;yeah, cause if you don't run the script, then you need to set up everything, including the rotor, buildroot & copying around the config, and tons of other stuff. 1390350;1454203886;mircea_popescu;yeah. and, of course, the code is the standard, so just read the script as a guide :D 1390351;1454203893;mircea_popescu;funny how this shit works. 1390352;1454203935;mircea_popescu;anyway, in fairness : we had a little bit of excited & explosive growth here past coupla months, will take a little to digest it into proper form. 1390353;1454203940;shinohai;That script is like cliff notes, I couldn't live without yet. 1390354;1454203987;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390311 << yup that's how it works. simplicity is the mother of inventions. 1390355;1454203987;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 00:44:05; mod6: oh looks like you can just pass it a dpaste 1390356;1454203988;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? << yeah, i read your comments earlier on this. part of "battle-ready" to me means not only that it has lordship blessing, but it doesn't break any security paradigms that we m 1390357;1454203988;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:36:47; mod6: ok, well i did just rip out all the sync/init/mirrors parts of V 1390358;1454203994;mod6;ight hold in our minds. 1390359;1454204022;mircea_popescu;well i am unaware of this "cd based security paradigm" as anything other than a chewing-gum and ductape concoction of no practical consequence. 1390360;1454204035;mod6;sure. 1390361;1454204040;mircea_popescu;nodes are internet machines, they stay on the internet and are expected to work safely and securely online. end of story. 1390362;1454204066;mircea_popescu;museum nodes can be created as a derivative work at any time, they'll be as funky as pornography is. not real sex. 1390363;1454204097;mod6;i might regret the notion of using wget someday, but I figured it possibly better than writing some native code in perl that would most likely utilize some module, or even importation of the module directly. 1390364;1454204112;mod6;the only real way around this is for me to write all of that stuff by hand. 1390365;1454204115;mircea_popescu;it's a sore spot, but it's treated properly imo : quite clearly in the open. 1390366;1454204117;mod6;which, might eventually happen. 1390367;1454204126;mircea_popescu;and the avenue to fix it is also well known. wget is open source. rebase. 1390368;1454204134;mod6;*nod* 1390369;1454204163;mircea_popescu;for that matter you know, bdb is also a piece of shit. and openshitmypants and so on. 1390370;1454204178;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> mod6: do you expect me to have korsgaard's key in my personal keyring when running build-bitcoind-V99996K.sh? << yup, this is how it works if we want to verify the buildroot package cryptographically. 1390371;1454204201;mod6;now, we could have automated this into a temp keyring 1390372;1454204225;mircea_popescu;i honestly dun see what the problem is here. what is the problem here ? 1390373;1454204244;mircea_popescu;so the key gotta be in keyring. so ? 1390374;1454204246;mod6;i guess that may not be horribru. ask users to gather up pub keys, place in a separate dir other than .wot, import them into temp keyring, use them, and then remove the temp keyring when finished. 1390375;1454204262;mircea_popescu;and this gains us what ? more inconvenience ? 1390376;1454204267;mircea_popescu;gpg --import not gnarly enough ? 1390377;1454204268;mod6;basically. 1390378;1454204292;mircea_popescu;logcially, if you're not willing to import a guy's key, why the fuck are you pulling his code. write your own or w/e. 1390379;1454204301;mod6;exactly. 1390380;1454204321;mircea_popescu;not like if trb.buildroot pops up tomorrow i wouldn't at least consider it. 1390381;1454204378;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform likes to scream about how dumb the keyring is 1390382;1454204387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390320 <<< it's a lot easier to pretend cds are the golden standard of archival while sitting on a flac collection safely kept on a rpm hdd. 1390383;1454204387;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:03:51; BingoBoingo: cd laughs at magnetic field, at electrostatic discharge, has nothing that self-oxidates if in inert atmosphere. << Been doing cleaning and have taken to playing pressed cd's that by many rights out not be playing. (not a single cd-r from mess has played yet, including a few 5+ year old "archival" turds) 1390384;1454204406;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yeah. he also screams about how dumb usg is, hasn't yet moved away. 1390385;1454204406;mod6;i think his 'p' or whatever the name is, is going to do away with that -- least iirc. 1390386;1454204410;ben_vulpes;i'm struggling to build a cohesive mental model for the right way to approach this gordian knot 1390387;1454204421;mircea_popescu;whining in here is the right way. 1390388;1454204437;ben_vulpes;i'm just fumbling in the dark 1390389;1454204446;mircea_popescu;no hint of sarcasm or anything. 1390390;1454204464;mircea_popescu;even if it usually turns out to have been a stupid idea/whatever, still whining in here is the right way to approach teh knot. 1390391;1454204464;ben_vulpes;;;later tell trinque i may be exceptionally retarded today, but is there a reason why shit/Manifest.sha256 doesn't contain a hash for buildroot? 1390392;1454204467;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390393;1454204486;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure there's a hash in the script 1390394;1454204494;mircea_popescu;the one that makes the rotor. 1390395;1454204505;mircea_popescu;mod6 what's the scriopt called ? the one that makes rotor.sh ? 1390396;1454204517;ben_vulpes;build-bitcoind-whateverk.sh? 1390397;1454204520;mircea_popescu;fuck i don't even know what anything's called. 1390398;1454204529;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'm using trinque's experimental makefiles. 1390399;1454204538;mircea_popescu;it really should have a name, apparerntly i saved it variously as press.sh vconfig.sh etc 1390400;1454204543;mircea_popescu;ah ah nm me 1390401;1454204550;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: cd's aren't magic, but a cd press might serve a useful purpose for distributing samizdat that lasts. 1390402;1454204550;mod6;ben_vulpes: the buildroot hash is in deps/Manifest.sha512 1390403;1454204567;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sure. 1390404;1454204576;mircea_popescu;and generally - for bringing internet water into teh deserts. 1390405;1454204597;gernika;mod6: fwiw successfully built and currently running 99996 1390406;1454204603;mod6;hey! 1390407;1454204614;mod6;congrats gernika. thanks for testing & reporting 1390408;1454204625;mod6;i need to update my wot one of these days. 1390409;1454204629;gernika;np. one of these days I'm gonna find a bug or somethin :) 1390410;1454204642;mod6;keep lookin, it all helps us. 1390411;1454204644;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1390412;1454204659;mircea_popescu;in an alt world, bitcoin blocks come once a day, are 737.280 MB in size, go around on CDs 1390413;1454204672;mircea_popescu;wd gernika 1390414;1454204673;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390324 << scheduled maintenance on the box, removing pounds of dust 1390415;1454204673;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:11:40; ben_vulpes: hey, stan's bouncer died! 1390416;1454204683;ascii_rear;and installing new raid disks 1390417;1454204687;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear it's only scheduled if yo usay before we do :D 1390418;1454204701;mod6;im digging through the shiva code :] 1390419;1454204702;ascii_rear;l0lz 1390420;1454204707;mircea_popescu;!rated gernika 1390421;1454204707;assbot;You rated user gernika on 04-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.. 1390422;1454204721;mircea_popescu;!rate gernika 1 Managed to press 99996 1390423;1454204721;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d26d0b8b2603e53d 1390424;1454204722;ascii_rear;mod6: see anything that doesn't make sense ? 1390425;1454204744;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gernika.1:0460d190229514ca15052ed9ecf853adc7340cd5620aca6d64495d00876c7a7a 1390426;1454204745;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for gernika from 1 to 1 with note: Managed to press 99996 1390427;1454204847;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of config setups : 1. pick a list of TRB nodes ; 2. add to ifconfig, deny all others ; 3. plug eth cable, congrats, you now have a secure box. go ahead install all the toolbar spyware you care to, won't matter. 1390428;1454204888;ascii_rear;mircea_popescu: and your online build of buildroot et al? 1390429;1454204902;mircea_popescu;also won't matter. 1390430;1454204903;mod6;<+ascii_rear> mod6: see anything that doesn't make sense ? << not yet. was just poking through how you load this thing up (in src/shiva.h|.cpp) - also looking at how to define more operations 1390431;1454204923;ascii_rear;mod6: the hacking.txt that comes with classical tinyscheme is helpful 1390432;1454204934;mod6;i did dig through all of the src/shiva code too - but since im not super cluded on scheme yet, dont quite know everything thats going on there. 1390433;1454204937;ascii_rear;there is also an 'example.c' floating around on the net that has moar examples 1390434;1454204949;mod6;saw a lot of func pointers that seem to expose an interface into the thing tho 1390435;1454204953;mod6;unless im wrong about what that was doing. 1390436;1454205047;mod6;i guess that was all in scheme.h 1390437;1454205053;mod6;i gotta digest all of this a bit. heheh. 1390438;1454205063;mod6;thanks for the pointers. 1390439;1454205087;ascii_rear;mod6: it took me ages to fully grasp how tinyscheme works. actually had to finish sicp for the basic mechanics of schematron to fully fall into place in my mind. 1390440;1454205117;mod6;the thing thats a bit backwards is trying to learn how scheme works through the lens of C/C++ 1390441;1454205118;ascii_rear;the important message here is something else, the shiva console is not to be considered publicly exposable in any sense 1390442;1454205146;mod6;for sure, just like you wouldn't want to expose your rpc port to 0.0.0.0 1390443;1454205149;ascii_rear;it is intended to be a more dangerous version of existing rpc, eventually you will be able to flip arbitrary bits in the data structures with it 1390444;1454205177;mod6;ah. right, with the debugging parts enabled. yeah, danger lurks. 1390445;1454205185;ascii_rear;nono my point is 1390446;1454205188;ascii_rear;it lurks ~now~ 1390447;1454205207;ascii_rear;tinyscheme is not in any sense hygienic. 1390448;1454205212;mod6;point taken. 1390449;1454205239;ascii_rear;(exploitable overflow was actually found in it, in 2012) 1390450;1454205279;ascii_rear;but, 1) there is a skull on the patch for a reason 2) there is not actually an alternative to tinyscheme. 1390451;1454205280;mod6;oh, ok. was that ever repaired? or isn't updated? i thought I saw the guys comment on his website that said "until i'm dead" or something? 1390452;1454205283;mod6;was I dreaming? 1390453;1454205288;ascii_rear;mod6: that one - fixed 1390454;1454205295;mod6;ok 1390455;1454205306;ascii_rear;but reading the code has filled me with disgust 1390456;1454205310;ascii_rear;!s idiomatic 1390457;1454205310;assbot;16 results for 'idiomatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=idiomatic 1390458;1454205316;ascii_rear;see latest thread 1390459;1454205322;mod6;was tinyscheme a beter alt than minischeme simply because of its size and ability to fit in head? 1390460;1454205327;ascii_rear;no 1390461;1454205333;ascii_rear;it is a descendent of minischeme 1390462;1454205341;ascii_rear;that has programmable i/o ports and arrays 1390463;1454205349;ascii_rear;we can't actually use a scheme that lacks these. 1390464;1454205358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116400 @ 0.00055816 = 64.9698 BTC [-] {4} 1390465;1454205362;mod6;ah 1390466;1454205364;ascii_rear;otherwise i would have used classical minischeme. 1390467;1454205395;mod6;im gonna keep reading scim see what i can figure out. 1390468;1454205397;ascii_rear;tinyscheme is the smallest (loc and complexity-wise) schematron that has these necessaries. 1390469;1454205418;ascii_rear;scim? 1390470;1454205426;mod6;i think i wanna try to work from tinyscheme/shiva -> C++ interface with bitcoind -- seems a more sane way to figure this thing out. 1390471;1454205430;mod6;rahter than the reverse. 1390472;1454205449;ascii_rear;ah 1390473;1454205462;ascii_rear;there is much to be done there, incl. reimplementing the classical rpc hooks 1390474;1454205478;mod6;err ya sicp 1390475;1454205481;mod6;my bad 1390476;1454205509;mod6;anyway, yeah, i feel like if we bring this thing into the fold, i aught to know what the back end is doing. 1390477;1454205515;ascii_rear;but eventually we ought to be able to do spiffy things like writing my memory usage grapher ~entirely in shiva~, etc 1390478;1454205524;ascii_rear;adding custom friend-or-foe stuff, or whatnov 1390479;1454205527;ascii_rear;*whatnot 1390480;1454205554;mod6;sure, there seems to be a bunch of power here in this tool - would be nice to harness that and make some useful stuff. 1390481;1454205555;ascii_rear;the nice thing about scheme vs. some random bozo half-lisp is that it is an actual STANDARD 1390482;1454205563;ascii_rear;so potentially we can write our own, eventually, to replace tiny. 1390483;1454205583;ascii_rear;(there are hard tests for compliance, can run these) 1390484;1454205589;mod6;there suprisingly isn't ~that~ much code. 1390485;1454205601;ascii_rear;aha, as i said, it is the smallest known 1390486;1454205607;ascii_rear;but very gnarly nonetheless. 1390487;1454205677;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390327 << can we at least have the option of loading from local dir instead of www ? 1390488;1454205677;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:18:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? 1390489;1454205694;mod6;you can do that just fine. 1390490;1454205704;mod6;you don't ~need~ to run the init command at all 1390491;1454205719;mod6;just create a 'patches' and '.seals' dir in the same dir as v.pl and you're golden 1390492;1454205732;ascii_rear;what would be handy is if the thing could spit out a manifest of all the crap it expects to find 1390493;1454205743;ascii_rear;i was thinking of buildroot 1390494;1454205753;ascii_rear;and the deps 1390495;1454205778;mod6;oh for like the makefiles and stuff? i think we were just gonna put the stuff in the shit dir iirc. 1390496;1454205783;mod6;but then it pulls all kinds of stuff. 1390497;1454205796;mod6;well, a dozen or so ya. 1390498;1454205823;mod6;but anyway, if we wanna stuff all of that stuff into shit as well, then we need to hack on buildroot to not rsync it -- now we've forked our own. 1390499;1454205840;mod6;or are you saying something different? 1390500;1454205878;ascii_rear;nah the very same 1390501;1454205884;mod6;i went down this road probably like in december or november or something. just was its own ball of wax. 1390502;1454205920;shinohai;ok mod6 test completed, did not have to set set the perl option before building 1390503;1454205937;ascii_rear;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390322 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1350992 >> think more 'chip fab' than 'iphone assembly line' 1390504;1454205937;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:05:43; BingoBoingo: Has anyone yet tried making an alibaba shopping list for necessary equipment to start a cd replication line? 1390505;1454205937;assbot;Logged on 23-12-2015 04:23:56; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnmSem8C-0 1390506;1454205938;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390507;1454205977;ascii_rear;and yes, the things fucking LAST 1390508;1454205993;ascii_rear;i have 25 y.o. cds that read without any problems 1390509;1454206003;ascii_rear;trick is that they gotta be pressed aluminum 1390510;1454206004;mod6;<+shinohai> ok mod6 test completed, did not have to set set the perl option before building << ok good deal, i assume that the PERL_MM_OPT thing is an evironment deal. 1390511;1454206004;ascii_rear;and not shit 1390512;1454206007;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear> but eventually we ought to be able to do spiffy things like writing my memory usage grapher ~entirely in shiva~, etc << quite. once this is fully functional debugging in trb can not be matched, period. by anyone, anywhere, doing anything. 1390513;1454206014;BingoBoingo;ascii_rear: It's like a hard drive assembly line. Rather far from chip fab obstacles. 1390514;1454206030;ascii_rear;BingoBoingo: watch the film at least until where the sintering machine appears 1390515;1454206033;ascii_rear;sputtering 1390516;1454206036;mircea_popescu;so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time. 1390517;1454206036;shinohai;yeah it seems when I was doing lappy setup I changed something. 1390518;1454206037;ascii_rear;sputtering machine. 1390519;1454206058;ascii_rear;mircea_popescu: aha, that was why i did it originally 1390520;1454206074;ascii_rear;it will rock especially hard when i get the emacsatron in (see slime thread) 1390521;1454206081;shinohai;dff2d2d6267c4c4a4bfb5015ca2bd7e18953a5933e2eafca69403549b9c99229 bitcoind 1390522;1454206082;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear> can we at least have the option of loading from local dir instead of www ? <<< now that is a very good idea. 1390523;1454206083;ascii_rear;keying crud manually into the repl shell suxxx 1390524;1454206101;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time. << yeah, agreed, Sir. 1390525;1454206126;BingoBoingo;ascii_rear: I see nothing that preculdes guerilla cd operation from being done in reasonably clean warehouse for 1 or 2 new chevy suburbans worth of captial outlay. 1390526;1454206160;ascii_rear;BingoBoingo: not entirely impossible 1390527;1454206179;thestringpuller;at height=322956 core 2 duo takes about 45 seconds to 1 minute per block verification... 1390528;1454206191;ascii_rear;next thing i will do, supposing that nobody else takes it up, is to make the mempool shiva-walkable 1390529;1454206206;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller aha. this was discussed time and again in the very logs. 1390530;1454206228;mircea_popescu;ascii_rear do some other work for a while. 1390531;1454206234;mircea_popescu;going too fast here isn't gonna help anyone. 1390532;1454206238;ascii_rear;i got plenty 1390533;1454206249;mircea_popescu;i know it's exciting and all. but, pace in all things. 1390534;1454206258;mod6;yeah, you've got some time yet before we can really dig into that in earnest anyway. 1390535;1454206262;ascii_rear;mircea_popescu: most of what you see in shiva is old wurk 1390536;1454206273;ascii_rear;realize that i have a vast collection of crud 1390537;1454206278;mod6;we need to focus on the makefiles & the release. meanwhile im sure theres a zillion other things. 1390538;1454206282;ascii_rear;most of it quite unfit for publication 1390539;1454206518;mod6;!up ascii_rear 1390540;1454206541;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390334 << ahahahaha l0l sure 1390541;1454206541;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own. 1390542;1454206544;ascii_rear;go, read. 1390543;1454206562;ascii_rear;buildroot is one of those things that suck donkey corpse ballz but there is NO alternative to. 1390544;1454206573;ascii_rear;(please wake me up if one is discovered!!1) 1390545;1454206659;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390382 << absolute gold standard, nothing else even comes close. SO LONG AS we are talking about aluminum cd. 1390546;1454206659;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:39:47; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390320 <<< it's a lot easier to pretend cds are the golden standard of archival while sitting on a flac collection safely kept on a rpm hdd. 1390547;1454206686;ascii_rear;mask rom is prolly a close second, but it is vulnerable to electrostatic 1390548;1454206702;ascii_rear;and holds pitifully small chunks 1390549;1454206730;ascii_rear;ONE cd would handily hold the source to every public software package worth taking to mars with you. 1390550;1454206739;ascii_rear;and compiler. 1390551;1454206748;BingoBoingo;hole punched teflon ticker tape is probably actual gold standard, but... 1390552;1454206758;ascii_rear;mno, ever have a jam ? 1390553;1454206809;BingoBoingo;With other tape yes, but the kind of jam that would deform teflon? 1390554;1454206843;ascii_rear;if BingoBoingo is thinking of the teflon tape used in plumbing, i can hardly imagine a worse punched ribbon 1390555;1454206856;ascii_rear;the thing stretches and warps when you so much as fart on it. 1390556;1454206920;BingoBoingo;ascii_rear: I'm thinking more the sheets used for the grilltops at McDonalds. 1390557;1454207020;BingoBoingo;Or maybe tyvek would be a better candidate 1390558;1454207670;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/california-environmentalists-fight-to-save-endangered-nuclear-plant/ 1390559;1454207671;assbot;California Environmentalists Fight To Save Endangered Nuclear Plant | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20f2j3L ) 1390560;1454207876;*;ascii_rear bbl 1390561;1454207924;BingoBoingo;!up trinque-out 1390562;1454208009;trinque-out;deedbot will be back later this evening. The DC neglected to turn the thing back on after SSD installation and I had to depart the keyboard. Meanwhile just send me anything that needs to go through and it'll happen tonight. 1390563;1454208545;mod6;;;later tell trinque this to be deedbotted: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996.sh 1390564;1454208546;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20A0Hyq ) 1390565;1454208546;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390566;1454209140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95586 @ 0.00055797 = 53.3341 BTC [-] {2} 1390567;1454209705;BingoBoingo;!up Frankie8 1390568;1454209769;BingoBoingo;!up Ripchord 1390569;1454210299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106900 @ 0.00055754 = 59.601 BTC [-] {4} 1390570;1454210929;pete_dushenski;who wants to see a funny bitbet oopsie ? 1390571;1454210961;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b1 https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b3 << same out address for 0conf and house bet ! 1390572;1454210962;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.65 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closed 4 days 9 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzTYzD ) 1390573;1454210962;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.65 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No | closed 4 days 9 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzU1f4 ) 1390574;1454211003;pete_dushenski;so unless bitbet is now drafting and seeding their own proposals... 1390575;1454211041;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389535 << that's... just horrendous. 1390576;1454211041;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 00:52:27; assbot: سيارة Elibreia القطرية تجذب جميع الأنظار نحوها | ArabGT ... ( http://bit.ly/23z6Ltt ) 1390577;1454211216;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dhjwWhlk5Q << left by a contravex commenter. i lollered. (for those who watch videos only) 1390578;1454211216;assbot;Russell Peters White people are not racist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzU8XV ) 1390579;1454211294;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Yww_nYuFA << and in other videos, why NOT put a wwi airship engine WITH 3`000 LB-FT OF TORQUE in a 1905 fiat isotta fraschini ? seems reasonable. 1390580;1454211295;assbot;Insane ​*127MPH*​ WWI engined Fiat Isotta - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzUhuv ) 1390581;1454211419;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Smaller house bet has alway gone to the person proposing the bet on BitBet 1390582;1454211433;pete_dushenski;in computing terms, ^ would be like putting 256gb ecc ram, 16-core amd fx and gaming vid card in an ipad. 1390583;1454211445;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: o.O 1390584;1454211491;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It's not new. It's something that has always been brough up as part of BitBet's marketing for people to submit interesting proposals 1390585;1454211572;pete_dushenski;so if 0.01 - 0.04 btc house bet wins, it goes to proposer ? 1390586;1454211609;BingoBoingo;yeah 1390587;1454211612;BingoBoingo;Always has 1390588;1454211679;pete_dushenski;damn. and here i was thinking i was fucking zheng he. 1390589;1454211794;pete_dushenski;"Because of this EPA wall, the market is currently dominated by low-level ethanol blends, such as “E10” (10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline). That has prevented mid-level ethanol fuels, such as E25 or E30, from widely reaching American consumers. If allowed full market access, mid-level ethanol products like E25 or E30 could prove quite popular with American consumers, who are increasingly concerned 1390590;1454211794;pete_dushenski;with fuel economy." 1390591;1454211814;pete_dushenski;^from teddy cruz, who just lost alf's vote by the looks of it 1390592;1454211916;pete_dushenski;how and by what fluke of fisics cruz thinks that eXX burns ~more~ efficiently than 100% gas is anyone's guess 1390593;1454211961;pete_dushenski;additionally, with a gallon of gas a ~$1 stateside, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT FUEL ECONOMY 1390594;1454212046;pete_dushenski;do corn producers what to put their products everywhere and anywhere, from building materials to groceries ? ofc. but that has nothing to do with consumers. 1390595;1454212061;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/is-this-corn-free/ 1390596;1454212062;assbot;“Is this corn-free?” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzURbJ ) 1390597;1454212140;pete_dushenski;why teddy can't just frame his position as "e30 is even LESS efficient which is good for both corn and oil producers" is anyone's guess. trump owns honesty, apparently. 1390598;1454212197;mircea_popescu;assbot> California Environmentalists Fight To Save Endangered Nuclear Plant <<< had to dbl take. then lulz floweth 1390599;1454212218;mircea_popescu;"The DC neglected to turn the thing back on after SSD installation" <<< o.O 1390600;1454212245;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Note the categories it was filed under 1390601;1454212253;pete_dushenski;"The three vehicles averaged 1.5% lower mileage with E10, 2.2% lower mileage with E20, 5.1% lower mileage with E30" << from some study by the american coalition for ethanol. 1390602;1454212261;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> so unless bitbet is now drafting and seeding their own proposals... << this isn't even new. 1390603;1454212326;pete_dushenski;but i... apparently am 1390604;1454212380;pete_dushenski;bbias 1390605;1454212382;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It's just residual pregnancy fog affecting your brain. It'll clear in 17 years 1390606;1454212399;mircea_popescu;anyway. in no sense is ethanol LESS fuel intensive than gasoline. the alternatives are oil->refinery->gasoline for gasoline, or oil->refinery->chem feed->chem plant->fertilizer->farm->corn->ethanol plant->ethanol. 1390607;1454212435;mircea_popescu;you get about 1 to 5% less mileage per barrel in the 2nd approach, as should be obvious. you neverthelss get 5x the "jobs" and 20 to 50x the imaginary industrial assets. 1390608;1454212443;mircea_popescu;so, as they quite aptly say, it's a no brainer. 1390609;1454212528;mod6;hehehe 1390610;1454212535;mod6;unreal isn't it 1390611;1454212550;mod6;gas here $1.55 today 1390612;1454212770;mod6;in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked? 1390613;1454212774;mod6;http://dpaste.com/124WDD3.txt 1390614;1454212774;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1nVwTOE ) 1390615;1454213258;phf;huh, so everything matches except for headers.h 1390616;1454213513;phf;mod6: hey you mind dpasting your headers.h? 1390617;1454213794;mod6;it's not just headers.h, theres a number of others. 1390618;1454213847;phf;there is? :o i did shasum -a 512 -c foo.txt|grep -v OK where foo.txt is your dpaste and only headers is not giving me ok. 1390619;1454213920;mod6;oooh. hmm. maybe im looking at this wrong. 1390620;1454213921;mod6;one sec. 1390621;1454213975;mod6;ok yah, its just headers.h 1390622;1454214010;phf;ha 1390623;1454214024;mod6;here's my headers.h : http://dpaste.com/3W0FZVC.txt 1390624;1454214025;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VyutjC ) 1390625;1454214129;mod6;# grep "b86114b5b74d2b9e737798f78804439c5cdd0ae42440615c57fc85cb0ac7d8b8a454d2ef44048db6af0ca00a938178173eece431b273462dbc299c1501b86600" ../../../../patches/* 1390626;1454214133;mod6;../../../../patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch:+++ b/bitcoin/src/headers.h b86114b5b74d2b9e737798f78804439c5cdd0ae42440615c57fc85cb0ac7d8b8a454d2ef44048db6af0ca00a938178173eece431b273462dbc299c1501b86600 1390627;1454214137;mod6;i think that is correct 1390628;1454214167;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lol prolly that 1390629;1454214214;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/01/networking-equipment-designated-weapon/ 1390630;1454214215;assbot;Networking Equipment Designated Weapon System | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VyuG6g ) 1390631;1454214230;phf;i somehow have an extra newline there :o 1390632;1454214276;mod6;so if ascii's V 'origin' command would take a hash as a parameter then show you the vpatch where it was touched, that would be helpful. 1390633;1454214279;mod6;i should look into this 1390634;1454214281;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style 1390635;1454214302;mod6;or even give a source file name, then output all the vpatches that touch it & their before & after hashes, or something. 1390636;1454214307;mod6;!up asciilifeform 1390637;1454214355;*;asciilifeform finally puts away vacuum. 1390638;1454214356;phf;mod6: sorry, this is entirely a non issue, i'm debugging a pure lisp presser, i.e. parsing vpatch files and then doing in memory press. everything presses, but that one file has an extra newline 1390639;1454214369;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: saw that nyooz elsewhere yesterday, also found it odd to classify 'firewall' as 'weapon' but hey, not like words mean things in usistan 1390640;1454214393;asciilifeform;phf: reimplemented pgp verify ? 1390641;1454214402;mod6;phf: ahh, very cool though. as im sitting here reading sicp im thinking that maybe how i can learn scheme is by writing V in it -- at some point. 1390642;1454214407;mod6;need to read more first heheh. 1390643;1454214485;phf;asciilifeform: you know just the right kind of questions to ask :) 1390644;1454214569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100750 @ 0.00056042 = 56.4623 BTC [+] {4} 1390645;1454214585;phf;i'm curious if there's enough machinery in ironclad to give me support to do a pgp verify rewrite 1390646;1454214592;asciilifeform;there is not. 1390647;1454214596;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Yeah, lots of interesting oddities came out to end the month. 1390648;1454214616;asciilifeform;phf: no rsa in there. will have to write it. 1390649;1454214643;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/01/networking-equipment-designated-weapon/#comment-44205 1390650;1454214644;assbot;Networking Equipment Designated Weapon System | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQRU79 ) 1390651;1454214701;phf;i have that patched gpgme version though, can always punt into the ugly land. i'm going to tackle diff first though, seems like a significant hole in my algo knowledge 1390652;1454214751;pete_dushenski;mod6: in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked? << hm. has anyone actually used 'version-strings' in praxis ? seems like several failed attempts now. 1390653;1454214796;mod6;yeah, i'm curious here. 1390654;1454214879;pete_dushenski;!up p15x 1390655;1454214941;mircea_popescu;assbot> Networking Equipment Designated Weapon System | << speaking of which, i fully expect the first usg-designed bitcoin miners to be designated exactly that. 1390656;1454214982;BingoBoingo;You mean the Buttfurry double stack shipping container thing? 1390657;1454214984;phf;"patch" is surprisingly trivial once you get past unified diff format parsing, http://paste.lisp.org/display/306234 1390658;1454214985;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VyvuIv ) 1390659;1454214994;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-50% either. 1390660;1454215005;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Or the 21.co PiTaTo 1390661;1454215008;mircea_popescu;and by the looks of january, Q1 2016 might actually beat that. 1390662;1454215022;mircea_popescu;so... glhf, but never in the history of sovereigns has there been such a wonder etc. 1390663;1454215050;asciilifeform;waiwut 1390664;1454215072;mircea_popescu;to which part ? 1390665;1454215077;asciilifeform;tmsr gdp... 1390666;1454215094;mircea_popescu;apply common accounting standards to the work done, see what it adds up to. 1390667;1454215184;mircea_popescu;if you produce a mythical man-month's code for trb, that adds the accounting value of a man-month to the tmsr gdp whether you mean for it to or not. 1390668;1454215218;asciilifeform;denominated in what, martian bzortls ? 1390669;1454215226;mircea_popescu;any currency of your choice. 1390670;1454215227;danielpbarron;Eulora alone.. 1390671;1454215235;mircea_popescu;commonly usd, seeing how gdp is a usd thing. 1390672;1454215247;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah but he wouldn't be familiar with that. 1390673;1454215276;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mod6 i never used server thing myself. 1390674;1454215299;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: humour me, show how to denote that man-month in usd. 1390675;1454215329;mircea_popescu;admitting you're worth what sv pays for top talent, comes to about 60k or so. 1390676;1454215391;mircea_popescu;iirc the per-capital costs are in the 700-750k bracket pa. 1390677;1454215407;mircea_popescu;per-capita* i mean 1390678;1454215465;mircea_popescu;AND, to add to the list of wonders, all that growth is financed purely through unbacked deficit spending! 1390679;1454215474;mircea_popescu;tmsr really is what usg aspires to be, funnily enough. 1390680;1454215495;asciilifeform;what's an isis mujahed worth, per capita, in usd ? 1390681;1454215515;asciilifeform;(how much must one pay on open market to get somebody to allah-snackbar) 1390682;1454215553;mircea_popescu;i think that's undefined, in the general. in the narrow particular, iirc blackwater charges something like 1.2-1.5. depends on various factors, but thereabouts. 1390683;1454215562;mircea_popescu;if they gotta drone it tho, it gets a lot worse. 1390684;1454215632;asciilifeform;mod6: i officially pronounce the verstring patch to be buggy and unfit for inclusion in its present state 1390685;1454215659;asciilifeform;will be happy to produce an antimatter patch for it if this is needed. 1390686;1454215679;mircea_popescu;meh, how about fixing things rather than putting in and taking out. 1390687;1454215696;asciilifeform;would love to, but so far i do not understand why the setting mechanism does not work. 1390688;1454215701;mircea_popescu;i dunno exactly why it was decided to have it in, but now it's in, so... 1390689;1454215732;pete_dushenski;ver 99999 is fine by me 1390690;1454215736;pete_dushenski;does what it needs to do 1390691;1454215771;BingoBoingo;Spreading works! (TM)/(R) 1390692;1454215775;asciilifeform;likewise it appears that the shiva patch has an issue, you end up having to LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -shivainit=./shiva/init.scm -shiva getinfo 1390693;1454215781;asciilifeform;to get rpc 1390694;1454215788;asciilifeform;this is a 1 line fix tho 1390695;1454215826;asciilifeform;here are 2 opportunities for eagle eyes! 1390696;1454215830;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> ver 99999 is fine by me << yeah, this is fine. but the fact that it doesn't do what it should do isn't. i'll pull the patch tomorrow. 1390697;1454215831;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: isn't tmsr also what most every organisation everywhere since ever aspired to be ? 1390698;1454215862;mod6;and i'll also have to "re-grind" my high/low S patch 1390699;1454215864;mircea_popescu;well yeah. 1390700;1454215874;mod6;(since its antecedent is PVS) 1390701;1454215894;mircea_popescu;mod6 incidentally found the correct way to undo things. 1390702;1454215902;mircea_popescu;everyone has to rebase and so will hate you if you make them do it. 1390703;1454215905;mircea_popescu;this is a good thing. 1390704;1454215911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109800 @ 0.00055693 = 61.1509 BTC [-] {3} 1390705;1454215919;asciilifeform;i'd much prefer antimatter 1390706;1454215923;mircea_popescu;also crucially evident why patches must be thematic. 1390707;1454215933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and polarbeard would much prefer large patches. you don't get what you prefer. 1390708;1454215971;asciilifeform;we did it for the db locks fix 1390709;1454215972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00056044 = 8.2385 BTC [+] 1390710;1454215976;asciilifeform;but whatever 1390711;1454215996;mircea_popescu;we weren't smart back then. 1390712;1454216002;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i'd much prefer antimatter << this imho sets kindof an nasty precedent: just adding anitmatter patches, bloat for the tree. a hundred years from now there might be more anti-matter than matter patches! 1390713;1454216023;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure he gets it. 1390714;1454216082;mod6;<+asciilifeform> we did it for the db locks fix << this is fair. would have to had to regrind everything after last march :/ 1390715;1454216107;mod6;and... its maybe slightly different since the first patch was inclued in the first release. 1390716;1454216118;mod6;we cant exactly rewrite history there. 1390717;1454216164;mircea_popescu;"let one stick suffice per cartload of china" 1390718;1454216167;mod6;since this one is new, and its not in a release, its not horrible. i'd prefer just to fix whatever might be wrong in there and resubmit & regrind high/low 1390719;1454216174;mircea_popescu;or however you say that in english. 1390720;1454216199;mod6;asciilifeform: totally up to you in that respect. 1390721;1454216206;asciilifeform;mod6: do what you must. 1390722;1454216232;mod6;maybe i'll try to debug it a bit, see if i can get it to work. 1390723;1454216242;asciilifeform;i'ma try & figure out why the version set thing doesn't go 1390724;1454216286;mircea_popescu;:) 1390725;1454216338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42670 @ 0.0005654 = 24.1256 BTC [+] {2} 1390726;1454216965;mircea_popescu;copypaste http://trilema.com/2016/alright-i-give-up/ 1390727;1454216966;assbot;Alright, I give up. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7t68 ) 1390728;1454216976;asciilifeform;Achtung, Panzers! 1390729;1454216982;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: 1390730;1454216982;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html 1390731;1454216984;assbot;[BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven ) 1390732;1454217018;mircea_popescu;wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ? 1390733;1454217049;BingoBoingo;https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/kcma-d8.html << Newly liberated board 1390734;1454217050;assbot;ASUS KCMA-D8 server/workstation board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7yqk ) 1390735;1454217161;mircea_popescu;that's a pretty sweet board. 1390736;1454217191;BingoBoingo;Dual opteron, apparently only text mode works but who needs graphics when you have two opterons? 1390737;1454217197;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this would be a pretty interesting sideline/possible job for someone dedicated. sell pre-made, fully liberated board+chip kits. for to go intos ervers etc. 1390738;1454217210;mircea_popescu;i'd definitely add him to the top of the list of providers for colocation. 1390739;1454217229;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo server graphics ? 1390740;1454217250;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dual opteron could be useful in workstation. 1390741;1454217285;BingoBoingo;For build box, etc 1390742;1454217303;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why anyone'd keep locally a box they don't actually use to play games on, but hey. 1390743;1454217311;mircea_popescu;if it computes it belongs in a dc. 1390744;1454217317;BingoBoingo;To yell at of course! 1390745;1454217413;BingoBoingo;Also in the things to yell at department http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/163163264/puppy-bowl-animal-planet-super-bowl 1390746;1454217414;assbot;It's Puppy Bowl season once again. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7Sp4 ) 1390747;1454217435;BingoBoingo;"The fun doesn't stop at just watching the Puppy Bowl, though. Like in all sports now, fantasy Puppy Bowl is huge, and you can go to Animal Planet's website to draft your fantasy Puppy Bowl squad. You pick three dogs to go up against your friends. There's a scorecard and everything. I went on and drafted my team, and I think I have a strong chance to come out on top in Puppy Bowl fantasy. I mean, just look at this lineup. Bijoux, 1390748;1454217435;BingoBoingo;Wrinkles and Kevin? Talk about a murderer's row." 1390749;1454217495;mircea_popescu;is this what fat people think sports are ? 1390750;1454217504;BingoBoingo;Yes 1390751;1454217515;BingoBoingo;Except with puppies 1390752;1454217561;pete_dushenski;as played exclusively by the hippies that alf trips over at 'health food store' 1390753;1454217600;pete_dushenski;or is this some ploy to get fillies into competitive fantasy sports ? 1390754;1454217651;mod6; <+mircea_popescu> wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ? << this is probably a better. and its not even in the mirror at this point anyway. 1390755;1454217676;mod6;good catch though! 1390756;1454217689;mod6;i apprecaite your efforts here. 1390757;1454217719;mod6;no rush anyway, im gonna pick this stuff back up tomorrow. 1390758;1454217746;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Prolly the later 1390759;1454217985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225574 @ 0.00055605 = 125.4304 BTC [-] {6} 1390760;1454218156;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: didn't some usgmegacorp try something similar recently only to have it backfire spectacularly ? 1390761;1454218178;BingoBoingo;Which time? 1390762;1454218183;pete_dushenski;aha. #hackahairdryer by ibm. 1390763;1454218214;BingoBoingo;But no, the puppybowl has a surprisingly long history. 1390764;1454218221;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390735 << i have a very similar board here, a 'tyan' 1390765;1454218221;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 05:12:41; mircea_popescu: that's a pretty sweet board. 1390766;1454218237;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: werd 1390767;1454218259;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390736 << dafuq, who uses mb vga for anything 1390768;1454218259;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:11; BingoBoingo: Dual opteron, apparently only text mode works but who needs graphics when you have two opterons? 1390769;1454218296;BingoBoingo;People who want to put it into a mobile enclosure do 1390770;1454218311;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390743 << i ain't keeping locally anything that won't push ~5000x5000 pixels 1390771;1454218311;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 05:15:11; mircea_popescu: if it computes it belongs in a dc. 1390772;1454218319;asciilifeform;do ~that~ from dc. 1390773;1454218365;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: how do you have something ~that~ powerful running... silently ? and without iridium toilet ? 1390774;1454218378;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it is not silent at all, this is in the logs. and it drives me mad. 1390775;1454218396;asciilifeform;about same noise level as sov refrigerator. 1390776;1454218417;pete_dushenski;aha. you ~wished~ it were silent. i misunderstood. i thought you had it nailed already. 1390777;1454218436;asciilifeform;every so often, i go on a binge of installing gaskets, costly german fans, etc. but the result is always the same: 1390778;1454218443;asciilifeform;machine that sound EXACTLY as annoying 1390779;1454218446;asciilifeform;ear - recalibrates. 1390780;1454218473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76250 @ 0.00055566 = 42.3691 BTC [-] {3} 1390781;1454218476;asciilifeform;presently installing something quite like iridium toilet - slowly replacing the whole raid with ssd 1390782;1454218481;asciilifeform;(in raid5) 1390783;1454218546;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390737 << pcengines co. does this ! 1390784;1454218546;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:17; mircea_popescu: incidentally, this would be a pretty interesting sideline/possible job for someone dedicated. sell pre-made, fully liberated board+chip kits. for to go intos ervers etc. 1390785;1454218559;asciilifeform;their board isn't even SOLD with ANYTHING but coreboot (linuxbios) 1390786;1454218565;pete_dushenski;but not in wot 1390787;1454218566;asciilifeform;and it's a g-series. while it lasts. 1390788;1454218573;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: amd is not in wot, while we're at it 1390789;1454218584;asciilifeform;and is in fact certifiably satanic today 1390790;1454218589;pete_dushenski;we're not at it ? 1390791;1454218651;pete_dushenski;not everything has to drill to the earth's core. 1390792;1454218683;asciilifeform;point being, there are not so many mb makers which ship full schematics. 1390793;1454218689;asciilifeform;and intel-free. 1390794;1454218709;asciilifeform;i know of only 2, actually. 1390795;1454218725;pete_dushenski;tyan and... 1390796;1454218809;asciilifeform;tyan is not on the list 1390797;1454218822;asciilifeform;'pcengines' and 'gizmosphere' 1390798;1454218845;*;pete_dushenski googles, reads 1390799;1454218855;asciilifeform;they sell very similar items 1390800;1454218863;asciilifeform;amd g-series ultraminiature things 1390801;1454219144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92619 @ 0.00055501 = 51.4045 BTC [-] {6} 1390802;1454219344;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3RWHY92.txt 1390803;1454219345;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4WZWj ) 1390804;1454219350;BingoBoingo;ty 1390805;1454219412;mircea_popescu;yeah, pcengines could alternatively get in the wot. 1390806;1454219439;asciilifeform;only to get negrated once they run out of g-series ? l0l 1390807;1454219478;asciilifeform;a mb maker is a lowly creature, sorta like a btc miner, follows where the wind blows. 1390808;1454219500;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1390809;1454219542;asciilifeform;x86 is a moribund thing. 1390810;1454219627;asciilifeform;iirc boards that will boot ~only~ winblowz 10 have already hit the shops. 1390811;1454219904;pete_dushenski;;;later tell danielpbarron please to point mr. lee (https://twitter.com/binarybits) to http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/letter-to-timothy-b-lee-january-28-2016.txt jic it ended up in his email spam filter (and so it's public). gracias amigo! 1390812;1454219906;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RThPNU ) 1390813;1454219906;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390814;1454219907;mircea_popescu;i dun see anyone getting negrated through communicating sanely. 1390815;1454219967;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ipads that only boot iosx were playing the same game before that. mac desktops before that too. 1390816;1454220018;*;pete_dushenski has not tried, say, gentoo on xeon mac, can't confirm 1390817;1454220206;pete_dushenski;"Then in Davos I joined people like Kevin Spacey, and Jimmy Wales (the founder of Wikipedia) on a panel talking about cyber-security. The general sense in the room is that a distributed, encrypted database like the blockchain could be key to creating a more secure computing environment and a more secure world." << now i get why reporters call ~me~ a "security expert", because motherfucking 60yo actors are sittin 1390818;1454220206;pete_dushenski;g on cyber-security panels in davos. now i get it. 1390819;1454220220;pete_dushenski;quote via http://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2016/01/23/the-blockchain-big-opportunity-or-big-danger.html 1390820;1454220222;assbot;The blockchain: big opportunity or big danger? | Toronto Star ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4XAam ) 1390821;1454220261;pete_dushenski;author is "Don Tapscott a best-selling author most recently The Digital Economy, Adjunct Professor at the Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto and the chancellor of Trent University." 1390822;1454220284;pete_dushenski;fwvliiw 1390823;1454221083;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/693679552187502592 1390824;1454221104;pete_dushenski;haha perfect 1390825;1454221216;mats;this torontostar shit is replete with english mistakes 1390826;1454221246;mats;nobody takes journalism seriously 1390827;1454221261;pete_dushenski;too busy buying and selling each other's homes 1390828;1454221298;mats;>The enthusiasm was in stark contrast to my next meeting meeting—with 60 CEO’s of big banks banks. 1390829;1454221307;mats;what the actual fuck fuck 1390830;1454221380;pete_dushenski;lel 1390831;1454221424;pete_dushenski;no one could've predicted that reading trash rags gets one riled up 1390832;1454221549;mats;;;seen nubbins` 1390833;1454221550;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <+mircea_popescu> in other news, chick on okcupid : "porque no me escribis en castellano << they say castellano in peru too, but if i'm not mistaken this is not universal in south america? 1390834;1454221632;PeteBlawgBot;http://qntra.net/2016/01/chiraqi-police-sabotaging-surveillance-equipment/ 1390835;1454221633;assbot;Chiraqi Police Sabotaging Surveillance Equipment | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTjYcz ) 1390836;1454222006;BingoBoingo;In other Chiraqi news http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/obama-to-address-deeply-divided-illinois-legislature/article_10ce4082-8178-5fc9-92dd-d093852c661f.html 1390837;1454222007;assbot;Obama to address deeply divided Illinois Legislature : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4ZiZe ) 1390838;1454222021;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: l0l! 1390839;1454222025;BingoBoingo;Obama is finally going attend an Illinois senate session 1390840;1454222196;mircea_popescu;dude who the fuck are kevin spacey and jimbo wales already. 1390841;1454222229;mircea_popescu;the consensus among kim kardashian, zsa zsa gabor, hussein bahamas and that guy from cheers is that a kilogram of feathers really should be lighter than a kilogram of derp entrails. 1390842;1454222301;mircea_popescu;in other news of similar weight and importance, leyla black was kinda hot a decade ago. 1390843;1454222326;BingoBoingo;^ totally 1390844;1454222494;mircea_popescu;not really her retarded totemcash/loadedcash/twistys idiotic stuff. but she did some ok outdoor work back in the day. 1390845;1454222499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00056673 = 52.0825 BTC [+] {3} 1390846;1454222524;*;mircea_popescu does the leyla black with new girls to this very day. 1390847;1454222539;BingoBoingo;lol, yeah these thinks are kinda transient 1390848;1454222982;ben_vulpes;what is "the leyla black"? 1390849;1454223252;ben_vulpes;http://www.northofreality.com/secrets/ << bit of a shame that aramcheck's not in the wot and on patreon, i like his weirdfic. 1390850;1454223254;assbot;Secrets — NORTH OF REALITY ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTmb7L ) 1390851;1454223254;punkman;btw the ASUS KCMA-D8 port was offered for $15k, wonder who paid it https://www.mail-archive.com/coreboot@coreboot.org/msg45741.html 1390852;1454223255;assbot;[coreboot] ASUS KCMA-D8 workstation board port offer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTmb7V ) 1390853;1454223398;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390737 < I've been considering that for a while, but I'm not really into junkyard-wars 1390854;1454223398;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 05:13:17; mircea_popescu: incidentally, this would be a pretty interesting sideline/possible job for someone dedicated. sell pre-made, fully liberated board+chip kits. for to go intos ervers etc. 1390855;1454223461;punkman;although I guess these Asus boards are still being made at the factory 1390856;1454223830;ben_vulpes;yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly a concatenation of the two strings? 1390857;1454223932;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390063 sure, if I can get low-power machine with ECC, I probably wouldn't mind the slower cores for most uses. These looked kinda neat http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=618 1390858;1454223932;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:26:28; jurov: asciilifeform: there are more "server ARM" things coming out... << you really want like, 64 shitty cores on the workstation instead of 4x x86? 1390859;1454223934;assbot;EZchip | TILE-Gx72 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QA3kvl ) 1390860;1454224249;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390202 gonna need an audio track to go with that 1390861;1454224249;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 19:45:55; danielpbarron: get nubbins` or someone to make some nice artwork on it and i'll buy 1390862;1454224316;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390334 what does rebase mean here? it's a term of art in version control 1390863;1454224316;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 01:25:55; mircea_popescu: ideally, you go read the whole fucking thing, rebase and sign as your own. 1390864;1454224319;ben_vulpes;has anyone else noticed the following when using build-bitcoind-9999*K.sh? 1390865;1454224340;ben_vulpes;"gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? 1390866;1454224372;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: need korsgaard's key 1390867;1454224399;ben_vulpes;punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree' 1390868;1454224418;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-01-2016#1358799 1390869;1454224418;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard " imported 1390870;1454224421;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: nah, because i get "good signature from korsgaard" 1390871;1454224445;pete_dushenski;oh hm. i dunno then. sorry 1390872;1454224456;ben_vulpes;but this fucking term just lost my motherfucking scrollback, because people reinventing wheels for os x have no historical context 1390873;1454224471;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390083 < might be good as a separate utility. cuts down on v.pl dependencies too. 1390874;1454224471;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:38:04; mod6: is it worthwhile to rip out my graphing stuff out of V? 1390875;1454224475;*;ben_vulpes goes digging through the gui for "never ever fucking toss my scrollback option" 1390876;1454224508;*;pete_dushenski to dream of quieter nights 1390877;1454224565;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390090 several weeks of testing just for V? good god my dear fellow 1390878;1454224565;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:40:13; mod6: so -- i might need several weeks at min to test out v99995 of V 1390879;1454224590;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1390880;1454224596;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 378.72, vol: 2286.81911093 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.491, vol: 2894.33858 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.35, vol: 7789.42880116 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 0.41873277 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.104, vol: 39441.74380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 380.99979, vol: 189.24228801 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 382.3343, vol: 18.40843268 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1390881;1454224600;BingoBoingo;;;more 1390882;1454224600;gribble;382.917712561 1390883;1454224601;ben_vulpes;punkman: "he's a good man, and thorough" 1390884;1454224735;punkman;on second read I hope it just means mod6 would be busy doing other things 1390885;1454224760;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, while we're ripping the rug out from under mod6, is there a good reason to continue with the inconsistent directory structure of `./.seals' and `./patches'? 1390886;1454224808;punkman;ben_vulpes: how is it inconsistent? 1390887;1454224829;ben_vulpes;well one is prefixed with the stupid unix hidden-file/dir period convention 1390888;1454224845;punkman;oooh right 1390889;1454224871;punkman;I just have ./sigs ./patches in vit 1390890;1454224912;ben_vulpes;mhm 1390891;1454224941;ben_vulpes;punkman: vit's a v.py descendant, correct? 1390892;1454225041;punkman;no, complete rewrite 1390893;1454225058;ben_vulpes;ever share it? 1390894;1454225071;punkman;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html 1390895;1454225072;assbot;[BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZjGPg ) 1390896;1454225090;ben_vulpes;aha 1390897;1454225114;ben_vulpes;nifty 1390898;1454225148;punkman;I did start with v.py, but mangled most things 1390899;1454225235;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-01-2016#1389213 << gotta figure out a way to minimize the re-grinding imho 1390900;1454225235;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 20:20:44; ascii_butugychag: the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have a stricter than necessary dependency flow 1390901;1454225267;punkman;why I kept saying that I don't like release patches that touch *everything* 1390902;1454225492;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing. 1390903;1454225493;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390904;1454225547;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mod6 alternatively, consider using mktemp -d 1390905;1454225548;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390906;1454225636;ben_vulpes;i am struck by a question i find interesting 1390907;1454225723;ben_vulpes;is everyone who hacks on this thing to write and use their own vtronic cockpit controls? or is the production of /a/ vtron usable in other contexts a goal? 1390908;1454225767;ben_vulpes;this is probably a purposes and causes thing, huh. avoid working towards the purpose of usable software for other people, and proceed from the cause of "hell is other people's code"... 1390909;1454225925;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mod6 stick a random file with .html suffix in the patches dir to reproduce the stale gnupg dir big 1390910;1454225925;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390911;1454225929;ben_vulpes;bug* 1390912;1454225940;ben_vulpes;probably any non-vpatch file'd do the trick. 1390913;1454226867;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390093 would provide hands-off testing to see whether your new patch compiles to different archs, with different libc, etc. think jenkins 1390914;1454226867;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 18:41:43; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389596 << what would this be good for? you are welcome to sign + post the binaries to ml yourself 1390915;1454226876;punkman;ben_vulpes: what happened to your buildatron? 1390916;1454227136;ben_vulpes;punkman: jenkins? or v.lisp? 1390917;1454227144;ben_vulpes;or ak47.sh? 1390918;1454227199;ben_vulpes;i shut the jenkins down because full syncs of each patch was prohibitively resource and time intensive and parallelized poorly 1390919;1454227260;ben_vulpes;v.lisp has just been languishing on the island of poorly written and embarassing software 1390920;1454227276;punkman;what's ak47.sh 1390921;1454227296;ben_vulpes;and buildroot handily obsoleted ak47.sh 1390922;1454227326;ben_vulpes;a well polished bash turd 1390923;1454227359;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html 1390924;1454227361;assbot;Hacking on the Satoshi Codebase: Some Pointers ... ( http://bit.ly/200Hrru ) 1390925;1454227372;ben_vulpes;never for battle 1390926;1454227407;punkman;what's a full sync in jenkins? 1390927;1454227423;ben_vulpes;another entry in the long list of things i've written that never made it into the truck 1390928;1454227425;ben_vulpes;trunk* 1390929;1454227488;ben_vulpes;a full sync of each bitcoind produced by each patch sent to the ml 1390930;1454227512;punkman;just the compiling part and maybe the existing unit tests would be good enough 1390931;1454227544;punkman;I'd help rig it up if the foundation so wishes 1390932;1454227562;ben_vulpes;heh 1390933;1454227570;ben_vulpes;funnily enough i just nuked its builddir 1390934;1454227577;ben_vulpes;this was god i don't know how many months ago 1390935;1454227635;ben_vulpes;dunno man i don't actually think it's of much value. having actual humans in the actual wot build things is much more important. 1390936;1454227661;ben_vulpes;scripting the whole process in the context of "continuous integration servers" is nifty, but finding the noob caltrops is also important. 1390937;1454227697;ben_vulpes;punkman: you could always contribute to b,tmsr's deficit by standing the jenkins instance up yourself. 1390938;1454227771;ben_vulpes;ah wait no that wasn't ak47.sh 1390939;1454227820;ben_vulpes;punkman: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html << in there 1390940;1454227821;assbot;a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONsjId ) 1390941;1454230620;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << i swear i saw some mentione of this earlier but cannot find it now. for those playing along at home, the sig name for these patches that will please v.pl is .vpatch..asc 1390942;1454230621;assbot;[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P ) 1390943;1454231337;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mod6 i believe i have a bug for you: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d9ad794-4b47-407e-9db4-a9a8cb2c70b4/ 1390944;1454231338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20fwNTi ) 1390945;1454231338;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390946;1454231609;ben_vulpes;;;later tell jurov and eulorans et al you might want to look into this tinyscheme thing 1390947;1454231610;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390948;1454231631;ben_vulpes;;;later tell diana_coman ^^ 1390949;1454231632;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1390950;1454232377;diana_coman;thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at 1390951;1454232798;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: i doubt you'll move the client away from cpp, but tinyscheme is a potential route to embedding scheme /in/ the existing client. 1390952;1454232830;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform plans to use it to inspect memory of running bitcoinds in real time 1390953;1454232906;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: relevant barebones howto: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html 1390954;1454232907;assbot;[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP ) 1390955;1454232950;ben_vulpes;( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390952 << among other things, ofc) 1390956;1454232950;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 09:33:50; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform plans to use it to inspect memory of running bitcoinds in real time 1390957;1454233011;diana_coman;well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance) 1390958;1454233171;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: no hard requirement, sure, i just imagine that replacing the crystalspace client's going to be no small pile of reverse engineering. i say this knowing nothing about the cs server/client software relationship. 1390959;1454234821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00055539 = 64.3697 BTC [-] {2} 1390960;1454235675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117200 @ 0.00055835 = 65.4386 BTC [+] {2} 1390961;1454236895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107750 @ 0.00056069 = 60.4143 BTC [+] {2} 1390962;1454238451;jurov;ben_vulpes: eulora code is several levels more crooked than satoshi's, i tried to ffi python and left that for later in disgust. 1390963;1454238604;jurov;that aside, there are completely different set of requirements, like, easy debugging. if lisp, then rather something with slime and good library bundled. 1390964;1454238711;BingoBoingo;https://www.rt.com/op-edge/330710-politics-america-hate-intolerance/ >> "In these times, the little guy cannot afford to pay rent on the trailer home, not to mention a bottle of brew. The little guy now possesses a large amount of anger about the political system that doesn't work for him, which shouldnt be surprising since he repeatedly voted against his own interests during the republican tenure. Or, on the other 1390965;1454238712;assbot;Politics of hate and intolerance alive & well in America’s ‘flyover country' — RT Op-Edge ... ( http://bit.ly/1VyPnit ) 1390966;1454238712;BingoBoingo;hand, he voted for change advanced by the Obama teams marketing "hopium" which resulted in him running in circles backwards in socio-economic terms." 1390967;1454238786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130300 @ 0.00055309 = 72.0676 BTC [-] {6} 1390968;1454239380;*;shinohai would adore this >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390957 1390969;1454239380;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 09:36:51; diana_coman: well, there is no hard requirement as such to have the client written in cpp; but it's true that it's quite a huge effort to make an alternative, sane client (for one thing, I'd love a text-only client for instance) 1390970;1454239466;jurov;eulora altclient is not exactly about "reverse engineering", but that the network protocol layer uses C++ primitives with liberally mixed preprocessor and templates 1390971;1454239533;jurov;so far no idea how to convert that into anything saner, or ffi-interface that stuff 1390972;1454240380;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1390973;1454240383;gribble;Current Blocks: 395946 | Current Difficulty: 1.2003334065123697E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 397151 | Next Difficulty In: 1205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1390974;1454242568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186400 @ 0.00055217 = 102.9245 BTC [-] {4} 1390975;1454245768;wyrdmantis;;;nethash 1390976;1454245770;gribble;1033158757.07 1390977;1454249217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70134 @ 0.00055512 = 38.9328 BTC [+] {2} 1390978;1454250384;mircea_popescu;hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? 1390979;1454250418;mircea_popescu;ideally the result of a click should be a page including at least a) an enumerations of all the keys required to get there ; b) a script that will press to that particular height. 1390980;1454250470;mircea_popescu;and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ? 1390981;1454251299;punkman;making deeds with all the emails? 1390982;1454251333;mircea_popescu;nah. 1390983;1454251342;mircea_popescu;just, if you want to add a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also. 1390984;1454251375;punkman;clearsigned patches get mangles line endings and things 1390985;1454251378;punkman;*mangled 1390986;1454251489;mircea_popescu;can has container. 1390987;1454251701;mircea_popescu;http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-99/ << this guy is fucking epic lol. "go is gone. Yudkowsky sounds the alarm." and links a fb posting. 1390988;1454251704;assbot;Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#99) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPtcPz ) 1390989;1454251706;mircea_popescu;so, so perfect. 1390990;1454251756;mircea_popescu;or to quote a purple prose producer of recent fame in my household, "Her silky smooth butt-crack was flawless, the only interruption along the length of it, was her pink, rosy butt-hole. Underneath her crack, were her fluffy, velvety beef curtains, just looking so, so scrumptious." 1390991;1454251757;punkman;needs moar links 1390992;1454252205;punkman;http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/01/on-that-2015-record-warmest-claim/ 1390993;1454252209;assbot;On that 2015 Record Warmest Claim « Roy Spencer, PhD ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPu1YD ) 1390994;1454253171;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390848 << http://trilema.com/2016/what-is-the-leyla-black/ 1390995;1454253171;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 06:49:42; ben_vulpes: what is "the leyla black"? 1390996;1454253173;assbot;What is the Leyla Black ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPwdza ) 1390997;1454253508;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390987 << mega-unsurprise 1390998;1454253508;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 14:48:21; mircea_popescu: http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-99/ << this guy is fucking epic lol. "go is gone. Yudkowsky sounds the alarm." and links a fb posting. 1390999;1454253512;asciilifeform;!s lesswrong 1391000;1454253513;assbot;34 results for 'lesswrong' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lesswrong 1391001;1454253528;mircea_popescu;nono but the circumstances. he posted on fb ? 1391002;1454253536;mircea_popescu;about the dangers of evil ai ? 1391003;1454253538;asciilifeform;their cult has been 'evaporatively cooling' (y's own term!111) for ages. 1391004;1454253552;mircea_popescu;so that what, the idiot fbheads can click the correct emotional response icon to help the evil ai segment them ? 1391005;1454253564;mircea_popescu;ah-HA! 1391006;1454253576;mircea_popescu;i knew gmaxwell wasn't intelligent enough to come up with that stupid shit on his own. 1391007;1454253581;asciilifeform;and 'post on fb' to these benighted folk is same as voting in the obummer election, etc. - just 'something all civilized do' or whatnot. 1391008;1454253584;mircea_popescu;so he scarfed it up from derpowksi ? 1391009;1454253616;asciilifeform;http://lesswrong.com/lw/lr/evaporative_cooling_of_group_beliefs << original piece on same 1391010;1454253617;assbot;Evaporative Cooling of Group Beliefs - Less Wrong ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPwUZv ) 1391011;1454253625;mircea_popescu;pfff 1391012;1454253681;mircea_popescu;"I was looking at a Java applet which demonstrates the use of evaporative cooling to form a Bose-Einstein condensate, when it occurred to me that another force entirely might operate to increase fanaticism. " 1391013;1454253690;mircea_popescu;ahaha what. it OCCURRED TO HIM ? 1391014;1454253704;mircea_popescu;heavens to herpinstocks, the idea is older than the fucking persian empire. 1391015;1454253733;mircea_popescu;but the very grand intellectualistic value of someone who was watching einsten play out of his bose speakers in his spare time is well noted, of course. 1391016;1454253747;mircea_popescu;how fortunate are we to have such bright minds around us. i gotta get myself one of them bose. 1391017;1454253753;asciilifeform;wrong bose 1391018;1454253757;mircea_popescu;you don't say. 1391019;1454253794;asciilifeform;of all things in the piece, picking at the one that actually made sense ? 1391020;1454253823;mircea_popescu;anyway, it occured to me while i was eating a niels bohr raisin cake (with little electron raisins floating in the batter) that this is how fucking spammers work, too. as discussed here a nujmber of times already. 1391021;1454253825;asciilifeform;though i don't know why he had to go for the condensate, ordinary water behaves in quite the same way 1391022;1454253829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it didn't make sense. 1391023;1454253834;mircea_popescu;quite. 1391024;1454253835;mircea_popescu;see ? 1391025;1454253841;asciilifeform;now - yes. 1391026;1454253864;mircea_popescu;pretentious fuckwad / out of his weight ignoramus for the fucking win over here. 1391027;1454253871;mircea_popescu;THIS is the product of wikipedia. THIS AND ONLY THIS. 1391028;1454253872;asciilifeform;y suffered from delusions of physics - he was 'raised for physics' by his father, but didn't make the cut, and never lived it down 1391029;1454253884;mircea_popescu;it doesn't "bring science". it empowers ambitious knownothing. 1391030;1454253885;asciilifeform;ended up even writing 'guide to qm' for his cultists 1391031;1454253907;mircea_popescu;and it occurred to me while conducting fart ciclotron reactions in my spare time that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot with a little knowledge 1391032;1454253913;mircea_popescu;than an ambitious idiot with a little knowledge. 1391033;1454253919;mircea_popescu;and this is what wikipedia does. nothing else. 1391034;1454253937;mircea_popescu;worst fucking idea in the history of ideas, if they just let jimbo fuck children until he fell over the world'd have been better off. 1391035;1454253952;asciilifeform;the hilarious part is that y had a piece on ~this~ also 1391036;1454253972;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta like sc4mz0rz, card sharps, understand fraud better than honest folk 1391037;1454254015;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1391038;1454254026;asciilifeform;http://lesswrong.com/lw/p0/to_spread_science_keep_it_secret << one of these pieces by y 1391039;1454254029;assbot;To Spread Science, Keep It Secret - Less Wrong ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tv2X8d ) 1391040;1454254031;mircea_popescu;he's 2nd generation scum, aims to systemd the original scum. 1391041;1454254070;mircea_popescu;this is in fact how it works : we, aim to V the original lispworld. scum - aims to systemd wikipedia. 1391042;1454254103;asciilifeform;the mega-question is why thiel is paying him to do this 24/7 1391043;1454254114;mircea_popescu;java fucking appled NEVER DEMONSTRATED ANYTHING OMFG FUCK YOUR DUMB MOTHER WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S BROOMSTICK 1391044;1454254118;asciilifeform;(and enough to support a harem, if rumour is to be believed) 1391045;1454254124;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because thiel got money and no self respect. 1391046;1454254144;asciilifeform;this is an explanation ? 1391047;1454254147;mircea_popescu;i mean that quite profoundly - thiel has seen the narrow horizon of the pen and contented himself that "this is everywhere". 1391048;1454254156;mircea_popescu;this is what having no self respect fundamentally means. 1391049;1454254161;asciilifeform;why not put the money in a pyre and light it? 1391050;1454254170;asciilifeform;would do loads more good than feeding yudkowsky 1391051;1454254175;mircea_popescu;"good". 1391052;1454254178;mircea_popescu;there can not be any good. 1391053;1454254218;asciilifeform;good in the sense of refraining from creating monster 1391054;1454254231;mircea_popescu;o check it out, bose-einstein bombmaking! 1391055;1454254237;mircea_popescu;this is really good cracked.com article 1391056;1454254264;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390849 << prolly should tell the man. 1391057;1454254264;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 06:54:12; ben_vulpes: http://www.northofreality.com/secrets/ << bit of a shame that aramcheck's not in the wot and on patreon, i like his weirdfic. 1391058;1454254293;*;asciilifeform remembers writing to yudkowsky in the late '90s, when both were harmless and penniless crackpots 1391059;1454254325;asciilifeform;didja know he was thrown out of school ? 1391060;1454254344;mircea_popescu;for ? 1391061;1454254358;asciilifeform;psych breakdown 1391062;1454254364;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390862 << pretty much exactly that. as per https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing 1391063;1454254364;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:11:56; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390334 what does rebase mean here? it's a term of art in version control 1391064;1454254365;assbot;Git - Rebasing ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPyj24 ) 1391065;1454254376;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i didn't know they expel ru kids for that 1391066;1454254379;asciilifeform;he 1391067;1454254399;asciilifeform;yudkowsky is an american 1391068;1454254426;mircea_popescu;oh. 1391069;1454254442;asciilifeform;fella has interesting bio, he's an escapee from, iirc, hassidic jews 1391070;1454254465;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390867 << no, i mean moving all stuff downsteream to depend on a' rather than a. this is rebasing the stuff downstream : from a base in a to a base in a'. 1391071;1454254465;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:19; ben_vulpes: punkman: by my read 'rebase' as mircea_popescu uses it means 'dump into the v tree' 1391072;1454254476;mircea_popescu;american or actual hasids ? 1391073;1454254515;asciilifeform;afaik - actual, but living in usa 1391074;1454254520;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing. 1391075;1454254539;asciilifeform;then i have nfi, i simply do not know enough about subj 1391076;1454254560;mircea_popescu;and for the record : ACTUAL hasidic jews, as found strictly beyond the pale, were some of the more pleasant folk you coulde ever meet, and greatly informs my tolerance of jews, as well as the tolerance of everyone who's not born past the stupid women line in western europe. 1391077;1454254563;asciilifeform;presumably his father being a physicist of some kind, in the secular world, would suggest 'damaged' hassid 1391078;1454254574;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the american hasids are a sort of jehova's witnesses in a slightly altered color scheme 1391079;1454254632;mircea_popescu;((the stupid women line in western europe is sometimes called the Hajnal line) 1391080;1454254698;*;asciilifeform never saw this before, but it makes mega-sense 1391081;1454254709;asciilifeform;the orc-human border ! 1391082;1454254743;mircea_popescu;mno. 1391083;1454254766;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely nothing human about the sandvaginated saltmarshes. 1391084;1454254779;asciilifeform;term of art 1391085;1454254783;mircea_popescu;not in my art. 1391086;1454254828;asciilifeform;from pelevin's yarn, where the precisely 'sandvaginated' folk living in antigravity sphere called themselves 'human' and, derisively, the still healthy folk below on the ground, 'orcs' 1391087;1454254873;mircea_popescu;i follow the palaiologos tradition. whereby the orcs are a slightly more complex thing. 1391088;1454254891;mircea_popescu;by and large, "people who do not feel comfortable living inside the wall". 1391089;1454254895;mircea_popescu;or, "people with no indoor voice". 1391090;1454254903;asciilifeform;^ this also. 1391091;1454254911;mircea_popescu;or, "people whose main impulse when confronted with an excuisite jeweled item is to rip out the jewels" 1391092;1454254912;mircea_popescu;etc. 1391093;1454255015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98235 @ 0.00055449 = 54.4703 BTC [-] {2} 1391094;1454255031;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390980 << i remember asking for this some time last year 1391095;1454255031;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 14:27:50; mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ? 1391096;1454255048;asciilifeform;but the things-to-be-done are many, and the hands - few 1391097;1454255058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha quite possibly. you keep trying to bite corcoduse. 1391098;1454255062;mircea_popescu;do you know what corcoduse are ? 1391099;1454255113;asciilifeform;something like a quince ? 1391100;1454255207;mircea_popescu;nah, they're the fruits of a plum-like wild plum tree, grows everywhere the hasids go 1391101;1454255218;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it was in odessa too. kids tend to eat them - sour stuff, makes them sick. 1391102;1454255289;mircea_popescu;and re saltmarshes, the cannonical line being of course "Die Schweden die haben verflucht schlechtes Geld, wer wei ob der Oestreicher besseres hlt." 1391103;1454255368;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know 'em ? 1391104;1454255394;asciilifeform;the fruit? only from grandfather's botanical book 1391105;1454255401;asciilifeform;but i get the idea 1391106;1454255407;mircea_popescu;aha. well the idea is - eaten too soon! :D 1391107;1454255417;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390865 << i actually never saw this. wtf is this ? 1391108;1454255417;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:12:20; ben_vulpes: "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? 1391109;1454255442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00055671 = 25.3303 BTC [+] {2} 1391110;1454255524;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390875 << i'd be surprised if you actually can ever find this. 1391111;1454255524;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:14:35; *: ben_vulpes goes digging through the gui for "never ever fucking toss my scrollback option" 1391112;1454255560;mircea_popescu;the item figures prominently in my own mental list of nonsense ; that list is an essential part of why alf's raging against computing makes sense to me. 1391113;1454255612;mircea_popescu;"seriously, you can't repeat what you said to me ? slaves get caned for this!" "but but but mp, it is a computer, it can't save an infinity of stuff" "WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MAKING A MACHINE SAY INFINITY OF STUFF TO ME" "well it's not really infinite, just..." "bring the cane" 1391114;1454255636;asciilifeform;^ 1391115;1454255671;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 << see points 2, 3, 5. 1391116;1454255673;assbot;Loper OS » Seven Laws of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tv5aAr ) 1391117;1454255682;mircea_popescu;fundamental problem in the design of systems, too. 1391118;1454255695;mircea_popescu;which understanding is why i'm so lisp friendly, actually. 1391119;1454255716;mircea_popescu;the derps making osen treat the scrollback as a wholly separate, contextual-less buffer. it's not "what we just said to this guy" 1391120;1454255722;mircea_popescu;and similarly no program replay and for the same reason etc. 1391121;1454255735;mircea_popescu;a large stack of various items all designed to talk into the void. how is this a computer ? 1391122;1454255740;mircea_popescu;it's just a bile of bullhorns. 1391123;1454255753;mircea_popescu;computing gets to grow a fucking indoor voice and progress out of orcdom. 1391124;1454255755;asciilifeform;pile of jewls jewl-rippers tore from their mounts, as was their impulse. 1391125;1454255779;mircea_popescu;s/bile/pile/ s/gets/gots/ 1391126;1454256099;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390901 << i think this is by now well agreed upon :) 1391127;1454256099;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:27:47; punkman: why I kept saying that I don't like release patches that touch *everything* 1391128;1454256157;asciilifeform;it is actually quite feasible to have a patch that 'touches everything' but is visually inspectable in three minutes - e.g., mod6's proposed 'release patch' that merely tacks a comment to the top of every file. 1391129;1454256194;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390907 << a) variety of implementation is considered good for security ; b) community of usage should be user driven not developer driven (or GOD FORBID) design mandated. 1391130;1454256194;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:35:23; ben_vulpes: is everyone who hacks on this thing to write and use their own vtronic cockpit controls? or is the production of /a/ vtron usable in other contexts a goal? 1391131;1454256216;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the difference lies in the meaning of "touch" 1391132;1454256236;asciilifeform;aha 1391133;1454256316;asciilifeform;as for the multitude of vtrons, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but i am seeing folks suffer from easily-curable issues that were not present in my original prototype (which, recall, had NO state other than patch/seal/keys working set, and did not use the net, and had the 'origin' command, etc.) 1391134;1454256338;asciilifeform;on the other hand i didn't have the graph, or sane parallel leaf handling. 1391135;1454256348;mircea_popescu;check it out, we recreated history! 1391136;1454256350;asciilifeform;'let thousand flowers bloom' 1391137;1454256361;mircea_popescu;ontogenesis follows filogenesis! 1391138;1454256414;*;asciilifeform once wrote 'oncogenesis follows philogenesis', but prof did not notice, did not collapse laughing 1391139;1454256425;mircea_popescu;lol 1391140;1454256440;mircea_popescu;the thing with being a teacher is that it trains you to neglect so much lols. 1391141;1454256451;mircea_popescu;you can't sit there all day laughing your ass off at the endless parade of idjits 1391142;1454256468;mircea_popescu;you'd form a bose-lolstein condensated milk curd or something. 1391143;1454256470;asciilifeform;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2016#1382703 1391144;1454256470;assbot;Logged on 23-01-2016 14:46:32; asciilifeform: 'who has been in the army, does not laugh in the circus' (tm) (r) (su) 1391145;1454256489;mircea_popescu;he who has been a teacher will not be amused at the zoo. 1391146;1454256496;asciilifeform;quite. 1391147;1454256522;mircea_popescu;im telling you - cunts run on perl 1391148;1454256545;mircea_popescu;the stuff women spawn into this world is simply out of this world in its broken, surprisingly counterfunctional variety 1391149;1454256604;mircea_popescu;"crooked timber" puts it too lightly by about two biological regnums. 1391150;1454256983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390908 << mno. the idea is that "code usable by other people" is nonsense. instead - write code well, that SHOULD be usable, and if it isn't usable the people can be fixed. 1391151;1454256983;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 07:36:07; ben_vulpes: this is probably a purposes and causes thing, huh. avoid working towards the purpose of usable software for other people, and proceed from the cause of "hell is other people's code"... 1391152;1454257124;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390931 <<< how would this work, i don't follow ? you plan to host a farm of various arches etc, and run automated build and test scripts on it with each release ? patch ? 1391153;1454257124;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 08:05:44; punkman: I'd help rig it up if the foundation so wishes 1391154;1454257305;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390950 << more complicated than that. all in good time, except the boys keep getting excited and outrunning the horses! 1391155;1454257305;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 09:26:17; diana_coman: thanks ben_vulpes , I'll have a look; it's been ages since I last wrote anything in Scheme as such, but if there's a chance of moving the client away from cpp it's certainly worth having a look at 1391156;1454257349;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390962 << it is ; it also pulls a ton of miserable dependencies (graphics!) 1391157;1454257349;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 11:07:31; jurov: ben_vulpes: eulora code is several levels more crooked than satoshi's, i tried to ffi python and left that for later in disgust. 1391158;1454257385;mircea_popescu;"The ?little guy? now possesses a large amount of anger about the political system that doesn't work for him, which shouldn?t be surprising since he repeatedly voted against his own interests during the republican tenure. " <<< aaaahahahaha. 1391159;1454257393;mircea_popescu;check it out - socialists agree it's the victim's fault! 1391160;1454257455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21782 @ 0.00055672 = 12.1265 BTC [+] 1391161;1454257576;mircea_popescu;https://topynate.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/note-on-the-block-size-limit/ << not terrible. 1391162;1454257577;assbot;Note on the block size limit | Particulars ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTYex2 ) 1391163;1454258486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason none of the 'not terrible' folk express the thing in correct terms, which is that tx is a ~cost~ to other people who run nodes 1391164;1454258500;asciilifeform;the node capacity is just presumed, somehow, to drop from the sky, like 'obamaphone' 1391165;1454258507;mircea_popescu;quite. 1391166;1454258514;mircea_popescu;i don't think many people actually understand how bitcoin works. 1391167;1454258523;asciilifeform;bbbut this is basic 1391168;1454258526;mircea_popescu;the obvious parts especially 1391169;1454258545;mircea_popescu;because the thing is so complicated it encourages people to approach it through narratives rather than observation 1391170;1454258570;mircea_popescu;and the problem with narratives is the same problem train tracks have : 20 miles away from the track is much further than 200 miles DOWN the track 1391171;1454258581;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389935 << see thread 1391172;1454258581;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 16:29:32; mircea_popescu: it's fucking ridiculous. the current cost of 14.7kb is something like 1391173;1454258597;mircea_popescu;i know, that's why i put that sort of stuff in. help the thinking hats. 1391174;1454258638;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's miserable design while at it. seriously, X pays Y for his imposition upon Z ? 1391175;1454258658;asciilifeform;and if we calculate the ~long-term~ cost for me of storing 14kB, not only the disk, but the mains current, migrating from disk to disk, parity checks nightly, etc. - this is a pretty penny 1391176;1454258664;mircea_popescu;but this was also discussed variously and from multiple angles. 1391177;1454258668;asciilifeform;esp. since i gotta keep storing it for so long as i care to have any dealing with bitcoin 1391178;1454258696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform technically, you don't get to factor back-ups, because the chain itself is its best backup. 1391179;1454258709;asciilifeform;a backup that is not under my control is not a backup at all. 1391180;1454258718;asciilifeform;can call it something else, it is useful, aha, but NOT backup. 1391181;1454258727;mircea_popescu;right but you see what i mean. 1391182;1454258745;asciilifeform;miserable design, like carnot engine is miserable, but it is quite unclear that a less-miserable alternative physically is possible 1391183;1454258775;mircea_popescu;no argument. 1391184;1454258806;asciilifeform;but yes, it fundamentally it violates the principle i stated here as 'nobody gets anything just for showing up, or the flies eat the meat' (see the bastard blocks thread, and the single-packet authentication as elixir against ddos threads) 1391185;1454258840;asciilifeform;which is why i predict that bitcoin is condemned to migrate behind the very tall fortress walls of something like gossipd 1391186;1454258853;asciilifeform;where indeed nobody gets value for showing up and being a fly 1391187;1454258854;mircea_popescu;research went into this in the deep, dank cellars of my dirigible. there's a lot of the original rock involved. it may even not be wrong design, horror of horrors. 1391188;1454258876;mircea_popescu;anyway. this is a poorly understood point as of yet at all levels - the clergy and the populace. 1391189;1454258877;asciilifeform;which? 1391190;1454258886;asciilifeform;(which it) 1391191;1454258888;mircea_popescu;the whole node conundrum 1391192;1454258906;asciilifeform;it is a working design IF placed behind walls. 1391193;1454258911;mircea_popescu;understand something re that principle of yours : money is fundamentally a community function. 1391194;1454258914;mircea_popescu;there is no objective money. 1391195;1454258917;asciilifeform;if exposed to flies - quite wrong. 1391196;1454258938;mircea_popescu;aha. 1391197;1454258941;asciilifeform;right now there are simply insufficient flies, and their proboscis - insufficiently sharp and long, to make this point properly felt. 1391198;1454258949;mircea_popescu;this is also true. 1391199;1454259015;mircea_popescu;but the point does stand, that gold on mars is not gold but just a metal. 1391200;1454259020;asciilifeform;money is a community thing, aha. but recall that in ancient times peasants lived and died for generations without, in many cases, ever touching money 1391201;1454259026;mircea_popescu;surely. 1391202;1454259046;asciilifeform;just like today most folks die without touching electron microscope. 1391203;1454259112;asciilifeform;and what's the 'original rock' ? 1391204;1454259174;mircea_popescu;in reference to which : http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#selection-107.0-107.200 1391205;1454259175;assbot;#bitcoin-assets +m on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJywUs ) 1391206;1454259247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform original rock in construction is when you encounter stuff that's baseline and can't be dug into. in v-programming, when you've dug your way all the way to the genesis. 1391207;1454259258;asciilifeform;^ the highlighty thing never worked on any browser i could find, ftr 1391208;1454259267;asciilifeform;ah 1391209;1454259268;mircea_popescu;o.O ? 1391210;1454259280;asciilifeform;aha, i don't firefox 1391211;1454259301;asciilifeform;possibly works there ? 1391212;1454259338;mircea_popescu;takes me straight to "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is." 1391213;1454259357;asciilifeform;ah 1391214;1454259372;asciilifeform;also reminds me of the 'buluceala' article 1391215;1454259385;asciilifeform;!s buluceala 1391216;1454259386;assbot;2 results for 'buluceala' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buluceala 1391217;1454259413;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359085 << thread 1391218;1454259413;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 16:39:19; ascii_rear: http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine 1391219;1454259419;mircea_popescu;weird, works in pretty much all of 'em ;/ 1391220;1454259433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, re the community thing. 1391221;1454259456;asciilifeform;'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea 1391222;1454259456;asciilifeform;la is their way of life and they wonder why nothing can ever get done because all available time and any available resources get wasted in an effort to sort a group. (The Italians are the exact same way, by the way, and from what I hear the Greeks idem.)' << from mircea_popescutron 1391223;1454259461;mircea_popescu;community doesn't mean "everyone". nor does it mean "people you'd expect". a guy's harem is not composed of all the women that exist, or all the women he ran into. nvertheless, it works just fine. 1391224;1454259563;asciilifeform;there is this notion, probably rooted in very fundamental christian 'inner light' poison, that the excluding group has the burden of explaining to rando derp who asks 'but why not me!?' 1391225;1454259586;mircea_popescu;no such thing. 1391226;1454259596;mircea_popescu;woman that wants to know why she's not in the harem needs only ask herself. 1391227;1454259926;asciilifeform;not in ~a~ harem 1391228;1454259946;asciilifeform;but there is not necessarily a reason why she is not in ~the particular~ harem, and it is not the duty of that harem keeper to provide a logical 'reason' 1391229;1454260005;mircea_popescu;well i said the not a. woman who wants to know why she isn't in any particular one ~need only ask herself~. 1391230;1454260016;asciilifeform;then yes 1391231;1454260023;mircea_popescu;"what did i do to be in ?" "how did it fail ?" "how did i fix it ?" "how did it fail still ?" "how did i fix that ?" 1391232;1454260044;mircea_popescu;either she keeps going, in which case she's not in the harem yet, or else gives up, in which case there's the answer. 1391233;1454260115;mircea_popescu;"oh but what of equality!" "the only thing equal to all its downstream is 0". 1391234;1454260174;mircea_popescu;which is kinda why both nullities are so fascinated with theoretical socialism and why practical implementations of socialism amount to such resplendent nothing. 1391235;1454260788;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it 1391236;1454260791;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJBY1p ) 1391237;1454260791;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1391238;1454260807;asciilifeform;^ l333337 w4r3z!11111 1391239;1454260824;asciilifeform;socratic method. 1391240;1454260888;asciilifeform;there is a sequel, just as riotously fun, 'the seasoned schemer.' 1391241;1454261012;asciilifeform;you start out like a child, end up getting through lambda calculus, combinators 1391242;1454262398;mod6;time to answer some questions 1391243;1454262403;asciilifeform;? 1391244;1454262762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95250 @ 0.00055295 = 52.6685 BTC [-] {6} 1391245;1454262801;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly a concatenation of the two strings << where do you see this? this is not a thing. that would fail to compile/pass-interpreter-smell-test. 1391246;1454262814;phf;mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast) 1391247;1454262815;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1WV9qcg ) 1391248;1454263211;trinque;mod6: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99996.sh 1391249;1454263212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVa21v ) 1391250;1454263412;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/ 1391251;1454263414;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WValcG ) 1391252;1454263439;trinque;mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles 1391253;1454263460;trinque;the signed file is actually a signed textfile of the hash of the thing 1391254;1454263544;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> unrelatedly, while we're ripping the rug out from under mod6, is there a good reason to continue with the inconsistent directory structure of `./.seals' and `./patches'? << this was in alf's original POC. i think it can stay. especially because you *can* name the dirs whatever you wish. 1391255;1454263589;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing. << this basically /shouldn't/ happen. i'll follow your steps here and try to see what went wrong. 1391256;1454263609;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 stick a random file with .html suffix in the patches dir to reproduce the stale gnupg dir big << this is what I'll test with. 1391257;1454263649;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i believe i have a bug for you: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d9ad794-4b47-407e-9db4-a9a8cb2c70b4/ << lol, what did you do to this poor thing! 1391258;1454263650;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20fwNTi ) 1391259;1454263718;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 https://7chan.org/pr/src/The_Little_Schemer_4th_2.pdf << a real joy of a b00k, i taught a gurl scheme once from it << hey thanks! 1391260;1454263720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJBY1p ) 1391261;1454263760;trinque;nice, I taught a girl with that one too, then graduated her to SICP 1391262;1454263765;asciilifeform;soo i have a result 1391263;1454263772;asciilifeform;but also a dilemma 1391264;1454263805;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: 1391265;1454263812;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles << umm.. thats bad. because that means it doens't happen to me, but apparently it happens "in the field" from time to time? 1391266;1454263814;asciilifeform;i fixed the very subtle version number setting bug 1391267;1454263821;asciilifeform;but i do not know how to issue the patch 1391268;1454263827;asciilifeform;it can be one of two kinds: 1391269;1454263837;asciilifeform;1) works with shiva-less main trunk 1391270;1454263846;asciilifeform;2) applied to shiva branch. 1391271;1454263849;asciilifeform;3) can issue both. 1391272;1454263853;asciilifeform;4) can let somebody else do it 1391273;1454263857;asciilifeform;what'll it be 1391274;1454263858;asciilifeform;? 1391275;1454263864;mod6;1 1391276;1454263874;mod6;or 3 1391277;1454263883;asciilifeform;ok gimme 10min or so then. 1391278;1454263892;mod6;something in shiva breaks it up eh? 1391279;1454263902;asciilifeform;not exactly 1391280;1454263908;asciilifeform;just that it touches same files. 1391281;1454263916;mod6;ok no rush here. 1391282;1454263919;mod6;take your time. 1391283;1454263934;mod6;trinque: thanks for deedbotting 1391284;1454264006;mod6;looks good. matches mine exactly. 1391285;1454264032;mod6;danielpbarron: hey there Sir, wanna update the wiki & test the steps from a newb standpoint when you get a moment? Y^ 1391286;1454264036;mod6;s/Y// 1391287;1454264071;mod6;ben_vulpes: thanks for testing V. i appreciate that. 1391288;1454264124;mod6;testing really helps at any time, but especially ~before~ we bundle up and release 1391289;1454264157;mod6;so if you see activity in that direction, ask for a test bundle or test code, whatever. good to catch any things like this before I send itout. 1391290;1454264259;mod6;furthermore ... 1391291;1454264292;mod6;<+mod6> <+ben_vulpes> "gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file `buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!"? << i've just run this again myselfand logged output here: http://dpaste.com/0P2QXYG.txt I'm not sure how what you saw happened there. :/ << im wondering if this could be related to a GPG version thing or something? because the line of code that is executed here is this: 1391292;1454264293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WValcG ) 1391293;1454264311;mod6;gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign 1391294;1454264478;asciilifeform;mod6: is malleus in the trunk ? 1391295;1454264483;asciilifeform;i need to know what set to make 1391296;1454264499;asciilifeform;in order to issue the verstring fix 1391297;1454264521;mod6;yeah, : http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches 1391298;1454264522;assbot;Index of /v/patches ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU4eWQ ) 1391299;1454264541;asciilifeform;ok 1391300;1454265070;asciilifeform;FOR FUCK'S SAKE 1391301;1454265075;asciilifeform;turdatron ate my patch AGAIN 1391302;1454265077;asciilifeform;BURNNN 1391303;1454265111;asciilifeform;jurov ??? 1391304;1454265201;mod6;did you see my comments from yesterday about your re-bake? 1391305;1454265208;asciilifeform;which ? 1391306;1454265220;mod6;ben_vulpes: ok, yeah, you through something into patches that it didn't die gracefully on: http://dpaste.com/1GJP2X4.txt 1391307;1454265221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU50mC ) 1391308;1454265233;mod6;this will have to be fixed for next time. 1391309;1454265250;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdatron_is_retarded_and_must_die.tar.gz << version string fix 1391310;1454265251;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RU52Lj ) 1391311;1454265253;mod6;and next time, let's do this sort of testing before i ship 1391312;1454265263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.0005514 = 20.9532 BTC [-] {2} 1391313;1454265295;asciilifeform;my patience with turdatron is at an end. 1391314;1454265305;asciilifeform;at this point i don't give a FUCK why it failed. 1391315;1454265307;phf;asciilifeform: so that new version replaces old patch? 1391316;1454265310;asciilifeform;no. 1391317;1454265314;phf;addition? 1391318;1454265314;asciilifeform;it is a patch to mod6's press head. 1391319;1454265319;asciilifeform;as requested. 1391320;1454265362;mircea_popescu;phf pretty much yeah. 1391321;1454265369;asciilifeform;i will no longer use the ml to submit patches. 1391322;1454265375;asciilifeform;it is infuriatingly broken. 1391323;1454265408;phf;asciilifeform: dropped your patch into the graph thingy, http://104.131.72.249/patches/ is doing right thing 1391324;1454265409;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1WV9qcg ) 1391325;1454265416;asciilifeform;BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT 1391326;1454265424;asciilifeform;and turdatron is a turd 1391327;1454265424;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390252 1391328;1454265424;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2016 22:21:25; mod6: and speaking of which, i'd also like to note that all of the sigs (seals) in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html are misnamed. http://dpaste.com/1KRXSBM.txt 1391329;1454265437;asciilifeform;mod6: what prevents you from renaming them ? 1391330;1454265443;asciilifeform;it won't alter the hash 1391331;1454265444;mod6;nothing, i did this. 1391332;1454265448;phf;mircea_popescu: nodes are clickable 1391333;1454265451;asciilifeform;ty mod6 1391334;1454265457;mircea_popescu;<mod6> or 3 << asciilifeform 3 1391335;1454265458;mod6;thats how i tested and built the stuff yesterday at phf's behest. 1391336;1454265468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which 3 1391337;1454265474;mircea_popescu;"which'll it be" 1391338;1454265476;mircea_popescu;"three" 1391339;1454265480;mircea_popescu;think of it as a poem. 1391340;1454265484;asciilifeform;l0l 1391341;1454265503;phf;i.e. http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix 1391342;1454265504;assbot;asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVdJ7n ) 1391343;1454265520;asciilifeform;phf: very, very spiffy 1391344;1454265531;mircea_popescu;phf very nice and good. 1391345;1454265537;mod6;asciilifeform: what was interesting on these ones is that not only idn't they contain *.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig -- they were: *.vpatch.asc 1391346;1454265543;mircea_popescu;by now alf no longer really wants the book 1391347;1454265552;mircea_popescu;because what he really wanted was ths svg (not the PDF!!!) of a book 1391348;1454265562;mircea_popescu;well really the ast, but whatevs. 1391349;1454265566;asciilifeform;l0lz wake up up when i can see the actual src in this thing 1391350;1454265576;mircea_popescu;trivial bolt-on. 1391351;1454265581;asciilifeform;but really wake me up when it knows how to eat patchballs from www or ftp etc 1391352;1454265586;asciilifeform;because turdatron delenda est. 1391353;1454265599;mircea_popescu;which leads me to the following : it's not JUST patches that should be "thematically grouped". 1391354;1454265611;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking program is supposed to be written as a tree not as a fucking scroll 1391355;1454265614;asciilifeform;i am SICK AND MOTHERFUCKING TIRED of 'your line is 1 char too long fuckyou' 1391356;1454265623;mircea_popescu;which is what "functions" as originally hacked into fortran/basic were supposed to do 1391357;1454265628;asciilifeform;aha^ 1391358;1454265633;mircea_popescu;excepot from a braindamaged locus of "who could need more than one node level" 1391359;1454265638;asciilifeform;dijkstra, 'structured programming' 1391360;1454265641;mircea_popescu;aha 1391361;1454265711;mircea_popescu;i had the silent intuition that there'd be a second gate in between the code and the "war of comments" outer gate discussed in thr logs last week. there is! this! 1391362;1454265714;mircea_popescu;proper fucking structure. 1391363;1454265730;mircea_popescu;truth is defended in this order by a) structure and b) text&context. 1391364;1454265950;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391302 <<< dawg simmer down, it's not like jurov wrote it with the express purpose of aggravating you. 1391365;1454265950;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 18:31:17; asciilifeform: BURNNN 1391366;1454265959;asciilifeform;incidenally, 1391367;1454265971;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: seems like my verstring patch works with ALL branches 1391368;1454265977;asciilifeform;(shiva and ordinary) 1391369;1454265980;asciilifeform;so the readme is a lie. 1391370;1454265989;mircea_popescu;hm 1391371;1454265991;asciilifeform;(verstring ~fix~ that is) 1391372;1454266007;asciilifeform;no conflict. 1391373;1454266007;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be best to test before documenting a feature ? :D 1391374;1454266023;asciilifeform;http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix << as illustrated by phf 1391375;1454266024;assbot;asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVdJ7n ) 1391376;1454266045;mircea_popescu;phf can you also add the text on a futher link ? [code] ? 1391377;1454266053;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jurov is not to blame, the original design tip was actually mine 1391378;1454266059;asciilifeform;but turdatron is not usable. 1391379;1454266077;asciilifeform;it refused my latest patch with no logical reason i can discern 1391380;1454266077;mircea_popescu;well as the great robbie williams one said, "at least now we know" 1391381;1454266078;mod6;hey uh... 1391382;1454266105;mod6;ok unpacked ur tarball. verified the sigs. 1391383;1454266107;mircea_popescu;anyway, irc bot based submission is much better because bot can provide error response 1391384;1454266112;asciilifeform;^ 1391385;1454266127;mircea_popescu;trinque and ftr that error message should be "fuck you alf" by default. 1391386;1454266140;mircea_popescu;every time it runs into something it doesn't know what to say about 1391387;1454266141;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n 1391388;1454266157;mod6;this patch just comes after the original 1391389;1454266161;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/serialize.h 3b61e200efe4b17a7f5384e13ab2a1a5e0a74fce0a097802d5e32bb5d74f88fa6e018f56c36ca9198d726a3a78168f87a6181d498cb7a388bc1f3adefa7cd93f 1391390;1454266164;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/serialize.h ef93153b01fdf024a0ab2ce0f992ea9af50d3423baa147c395bba4cc90575bda0d832c0313428bbbc837c99d549c4ba787b94fad5b871870397a410ba59ea0e9 1391391;1454266178;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 02ccc72e42939509fc180861db7ffec50563a84869f35671fcf720090f9782674edcc89c4174175691566fac7277f1ebe0f50253d1e4a995eb960f5b43cce2a3 1391392;1454266181;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 0ccb0c29c0a3217d57f9bc72d87b497e64116a9f79e69277408750ee3dc95738ce52a70afece7a1054314100d84f93f6525ab514b8abd8ce78ab8ebd50e599a2 1391393;1454266207;asciilifeform;mod6: does this break something ? 1391394;1454266214;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 02ccc72e42939509fc180861db7ffec50563a84869f35671fcf720090f9782674edcc89c4174175691566fac7277f1ebe0f50253d1e4a995eb960f5b43cce2a3 1391395;1454266217;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 0ccb0c29c0a3217d57f9bc72d87b497e64116a9f79e69277408750ee3dc95738ce52a70afece7a1054314100d84f93f6525ab514b8abd8ce78ab8ebd50e599a2 1391396;1454266223;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch 1391397;1454266224;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZPCLdg ) 1391398;1454266246;mod6;damnit 1391399;1454266247;asciilifeform;it sits down happily in my tree 1391400;1454266248;mircea_popescu;http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix << really should include a "touched signatures : " list 1391401;1454266248;assbot;asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring-fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVdJ7n ) 1391402;1454266265;mod6;ignore those last two, this from serialize.h 1391403;1454266265;mod6;diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/serialize.h b/bitcoin/src/serialize.h 1391404;1454266266;mod6;--- a/bitcoin/src/serialize.h bc602bfbc512259fbb6c01f2c1633ff142966bf0752612e9a488cee8a95da7921b98abe646e2f7002243f1981939372e0b53948646398e40525ed442c377f449 1391405;1454266270;mod6;+++ b/bitcoin/src/serialize.h 3b61e200efe4b17a7f5384e13ab2a1a5e0a74fce0a097802d5e32bb5d74f88fa6e018f56c36ca9198d726a3a78168f87a6181d498cb7a388bc1f3adefa7cd93f 1391406;1454266285;mod6;your patch should have antecedent: bc602bfbc512259fbb6c01f2c1633ff142966bf0752612e9a488cee8a95da7921b98abe646e2f7002243f1981939372e0b53948646398e40525ed442c377f449 1391407;1454266289;phf;mircea_popescu: touched signatures? 1391408;1454266291;mod6;not 3b61e200efe4b17a7f5384e13ab2a1a5e0a74fce0a097802d5e32bb5d74f88fa6e018f56c36ca9198d726a3a78168f87a6181d498cb7a388bc1f3adefa7cd93f 1391409;1454266295;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What the rebooted DeLorean can learn from Singer, Pagani, and Bitcoin. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/31/what-the-rebooted-delorean-can-learn-from-singer-pagani-and-bitcoin/ 1391410;1454266301;mircea_popescu;phf yes, the list of all signatures seen to reach that leaf. 1391411;1454266307;asciilifeform;mod6: from where comes this antecedent ? 1391412;1454266309;mod6;ok, anyway.. lemme take a look at this. 1391413;1454266322;mod6;so what i want to do 1391414;1454266349;mircea_popescu;!rated phf 1391415;1454266349;assbot;You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Fixed our boxen!. 1391416;1454266353;punkman;mircea_popescu: phf yes, the list of all signatures seen to reach that leaf. << that would just return "asciilifeform" :P 1391417;1454266363;mircea_popescu;punkman no because it has genesis in there. 1391418;1454266375;mod6;start without this patch : asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum.vpatchasciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch, or th mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch 1391419;1454266376;mircea_popescu;~all~ signatures seen to reach that leaf. 1391420;1454266376;asciilifeform;aha, buncha people signed genesis 1391421;1454266379;asciilifeform;ideally, everybody 1391422;1454266389;asciilifeform;(in the orchestra, that is) 1391423;1454266396;mod6;then recode all this stuff. 1391424;1454266409;mod6;just imagine that they don't exist, now we need to reimplement those changes. 1391425;1454266417;asciilifeform;waiwut 1391426;1454266420;mod6;should I do mine first? then you can make your changes. 1391427;1454266442;asciilifeform;mod6: i am utterly confused now ? 1391428;1454266448;phf;oh oh people signatures, yes 1391429;1454266453;mod6;i wanted a whole replacement for asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring.vpatch, not just the fix. 1391430;1454266454;mircea_popescu;phf actually asciilifeform has a point : two signature lists are needed. complete and dependent. C = all signatures seen on any of the packages pressed ; D = the set of all signatures on which the current press depends - ie, without them you can't reach that leaf. 1391431;1454266466;asciilifeform;replacement?! whyt?!!! 1391432;1454266466;mircea_popescu;lemme formalize this. 1391433;1454266467;mod6;i'll fix all of this stuff. 1391434;1454266475;mod6;i'll be afk for a bit. 1391435;1454266493;mircea_popescu;A signed by a b c d ; B off A, signed by a, c, d. D off A, signed by a, d. C off D signed by d. 1391436;1454266494;asciilifeform;mod6: if you want to backport the patch and the afterpatch, etc. i will read and sign the result. 1391437;1454266502;asciilifeform;but imho this is unnecessary sweat. 1391438;1454266508;mircea_popescu;the first list for C is a b c d whereas the 2nd list for C is D. 1391439;1454266516;asciilifeform;whole point of v is to avoid having to pretend that symphony was farted out in one perfect go. 1391440;1454266533;asciilifeform;we can live with the history ! 1391441;1454266584;asciilifeform;manually re-grinding everything every fucking time somebody finds a bug, is scutwork, and the time could be used to do something useful. 1391442;1454266592;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the first list for B is a b c d whereas the 2nd list for B is (a) ; (c) ; (d) ie 3 lists. 1391443;1454266597;asciilifeform;this is my official take on the question, which obviously nobody has to listen to. 1391444;1454266600;asciilifeform;but there it is. 1391445;1454266645;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd say it's a degree question. if a hole found close to the surface, supuration is advised. if not, let blood carry the germs out. just like the body treats infection. 1391446;1454266676;mircea_popescu;sure, people may maintain sparkly-clean trees for whatever reason anyway. but in general as to the "main" tree, best avoid both horns of the dilemma and tryt and sit in the middle. 1391447;1454266705;asciilifeform;anyway if somebody insists on tamping versionstring and versionstring-fix into one path, i will read and sign it. 1391448;1454266706;asciilifeform;later. 1391449;1454266722;asciilifeform;but right now i'ma go to meatspace and won't be back until nightfall. 1391450;1454266727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58050 @ 0.00055672 = 32.3176 BTC [+] 1391451;1454266736;mircea_popescu;enjoe. 1391452;1454266777;mircea_popescu;phf does this make any sense whatsoever ? 1391453;1454266863;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391311 << word eh. 1391454;1454266863;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 18:34:13; mod6: and next time, let's do this sort of testing before i ship 1391455;1454266896;phf;mircea_popescu: is that a list of names that correspond to .wot? i.e. each patch has (asciilifeform, mod6, etc.) and then there's a set of all wots for current press? 1391456;1454266918;mircea_popescu;basically i seek to answer two questions, from a management point of view. 1391457;1454266929;mircea_popescu;question 1 is : who are all the people who contributed to this ? 1391458;1454266946;mircea_popescu;question 2 is : who are all the people on whose word i am implicitly depending by building this ? 1391459;1454266972;mircea_popescu;so by building B in the example i am in the situation where i know a and c and d must ALL lie. 1391460;1454266983;mircea_popescu;whereas by building D i am in the situation where i know it's enough for d to lie. 1391461;1454267043;mircea_popescu;(this approach probably makes the ancient "group is the enemy of intelligent life" / "only threat to wot model is agreement" etc painfully obvious - if a, c and d are a compact i'll just note them epsilon and pretend it's one thing) 1391462;1454267094;phf;ah that gives you ability to press purely from wot knowledge, without reading the patch 1391463;1454267130;mircea_popescu;quite. 1391464;1454267174;mircea_popescu;must know who to thank and who to hunt down. that's what management is. 1391465;1454267271;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390963 << look into clasp then, i'd just started digging into it when asciilifeform released shiva 1391466;1454267271;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 11:10:04; jurov: that aside, there are completely different set of requirements, like, easy debugging. if lisp, then rather something with slime and good library bundled. 1391467;1454267293;ben_vulpes;it nominally offers a lot over standard cl cffi, but i have not verified that myself. 1391468;1454267316;mircea_popescu;it is also the fundamental instrument by which intelligent people are to assure their subsistence. because yea, naggum had a very good point with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 1391469;1454267319;assbot;Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQJGgA ) 1391470;1454267329;ben_vulpes;has the unexpected advantage of making alf barf 1391471;1454267331;mircea_popescu;but the problem per se wasn't the end he approached, but the other end. 1391472;1454267339;mircea_popescu;and if we fix the other end, we actually fix this problem. 1391473;1454267421;mircea_popescu;and even without the economic consideration, from a purely intellectual perspective. what is this inhuman, anti-intellectual "the bitcoin developers" bs ? we're not living in the village of pythagora over here, and we don't expect "anonymity" to stand in for sovereignity like five years old. gimme the motherfucking list. 1391474;1454267492;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski another translation challenger appears: http://trilema.com/2010/inca-o-pozitie-sexuala/ 1391475;1454267493;assbot;Inca o pozitie sexuala on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQKamU ) 1391476;1454267493;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1391477;1454267535;asciilifeform;i came back to console because i realized that mircea_popescu was making a VITAL point that is in danger of being glossed over 1391478;1454267549;asciilifeform;does anyone recall how my original vtron only showed linear flow ? 1391479;1454267557;*;ben_vulpes nods 1391480;1454267558;asciilifeform;and why i thought this to be sufficient ? 1391481;1454267571;*;ben_vulpes does not nod 1391482;1454267578;asciilifeform;it is because, in my original concept, the main knob that is to be twiddled by the operator is not the press head, 1391483;1454267580;mircea_popescu;o wb alfie 1391484;1454267581;asciilifeform;BUT THE WOT 1391485;1454267585;asciilifeform;the wot! 1391486;1454267587;asciilifeform;you vary the vot. 1391487;1454267589;asciilifeform;wot 1391488;1454267592;mircea_popescu;oh god, the wot! 1391489;1454267593;ben_vulpes;wot wot 1391490;1454267605;ben_vulpes;my wot, mon trezor! 1391491;1454267614;mircea_popescu;who said "the iron! my god, the iron!" 1391492;1454267622;asciilifeform;vtron, in primary mode of operation, is to climb the tree, as high as it can on each branch, operating using the current wotset 1391493;1454267639;ben_vulpes;reheheally? 1391494;1454267639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform still, this is the "orig" for that. 1391495;1454267653;asciilifeform;this automagically gives you 'mod6 & ben_vulpes release', or 'what mircea_popescu is willing to use', or ' asciilifeform's bleeding razor' 1391496;1454267658;ben_vulpes;because i want to press "shiva" into a tree that doesn't have, say, malleus_mikehearnificarum 1391497;1454267659;asciilifeform;you just use different wotsets. 1391498;1454267688;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that's when you bring out the press depth knob. OR alternatively sign the ones you want! and then press using a wot that contains only ben_vulpes 1391499;1454267702;mircea_popescu;anyway, notice the fractal beauty of the world : list 1 is really "the wot" ; list 2 is necessarily the lordship list. and by its very nature ... you can or can not chose various different lordships depending on what it is you're trying to do. 1391500;1454267703;asciilifeform;see, there are multiple ways to go about it 1391501;1454267709;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY like how it worked back whne it worked. 1391502;1454267711;asciilifeform;aha. mircea_popescu has it. 1391503;1454267732;mircea_popescu;it's this sort of "doesn't repeat but rhymes" beauty that makes me thing we're really singing spheres music here. 1391504;1454267862;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: clasp is one of those 'lisps without eval' isnnit. 1391505;1454267876;asciilifeform;there are good examples of this kind of thing, from the past, see 'chicken' and 'stalin' 1391506;1454267882;asciilifeform;but it is pretty much the opposite of what we want here. 1391507;1454267919;asciilifeform;http://community.schemewiki.org/?Stalin 1391508;1454267921;assbot;Stalin

 if "standards" is plural, it's already noncompliant <<< for the record, the reason the enemy uses the plural there isn't that the enemy is this stupid, but that it believes in patchwork. ie, standards : one for this, one for that, together they make up a complete thing. 1391535;1454268338;mircea_popescu;sort of freehand wot if you will 1391536;1454268343;phf;clasp is very much anti-ba, there's no question about it, pulls a lot of projects together, of questionable pedigree 1391537;1454268351;adlai;"anti-ba"!? 1391538;1454268353;asciilifeform;including llvm 1391539;1454268364;adlai;clasp is an answer to a specific problem which nobody here has... it's equally anti-pythagoras 1391540;1454268389;asciilifeform;(the 'llvm is satanic and must die' thing is not as clear-cut as i would like, it is actually MORE readable and hackable than gcc. but i'm allergic, i confess.) 1391541;1454268401;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know what "not making the cut" is wqith a woman ? even if you're a saudi prince and your daddy buys her for you ; even if you're an afghan monkey and she deeply believes she has to. there's a point where you make the cut or don't, and that's what it is. 1391542;1454268410;mircea_popescu;physics is a well known whore. behaves the exact same way. 1391543;1454268446;mircea_popescu;do her insides answer to you or don't they. 1391544;1454268478;asciilifeform;^^ 1391545;1454268490;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391465 << afaik, clasp will be superior to other lisps only if the bulk of your friction is at the interface itself. specifically, it does NOT have the same level of slime support you'd find in the mature lisp (sbcl and ccl) 1391546;1454268490;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 19:07:51; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390963 << look into clasp then, i'd just started digging into it when asciilifeform released shiva 1391547;1454268511;asciilifeform;adlai: and here i picked a lisp with 0 slime support 1391548;1454268519;adlai;"lisp" 1391549;1454268535;phf;adlai: clasp is a good fit for tendriling trb, if i had more time, i'd use it in a similar way to shiva. but then i'm already building trb on llvm/clang, etc. it is anti-ba though because of pedigree and ownership problem. can use it, if you have resources to read through 5 or so 100k loc projects 1391550;1454268536;ben_vulpes;FIGHT 1391551;1454268536;asciilifeform;'scheme is the good half of cl' 1391552;1454268569;mircea_popescu;phf 12 100k loc projects, turns out. 1391553;1454268580;mircea_popescu;and i fear nobody does nor could anyone have such resources. 1391554;1454268592;adlai;modern CL (as opposed to the ANSI doorstop) is a tool that evolved from a standard. r5rs is a standard. tinyscheme is a tool. etc etc... vita brevis, but there are at least a couple usable artes 1391555;1454268655;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391553 << hilariously, this is part of what i do for a living now. 1391556;1454268655;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 19:29:40; mircea_popescu: and i fear nobody does nor could anyone have such resources. 1391557;1454268664;asciilifeform;mega-bezzlatron ~does~ have resources. 1391558;1454268668;mircea_popescu;to no significant eventual effect. 1391559;1454268677;asciilifeform;can't disagree! 1391560;1454268683;mircea_popescu;so then ... it doesn't. 1391561;1454268692;asciilifeform;(pretty sure it all stokes the furnace at the end of the day) 1391562;1454268715;asciilifeform;hey, having resources and having the brains to not stoke the furnace with'em are different things 1391563;1454268726;mircea_popescu;as the linecount you're digesting increases you don't need more people. you need smarter ones. it's not like if you need one brick carried you hire one lout and ifg you need 10000 you hire 10000. it's like if you want 1kg carried you can use a dog, and if you need 10 tons you gotta learn to speak whale now. 1391564;1454268735;asciilifeform;well yes 1391565;1454268740;asciilifeform;there are no louts there, reading code. 1391566;1454268741;asciilifeform;just me. 1391567;1454268754;mircea_popescu;well so then. i don't want 10x as many people that can jump 1m. i want people who can jump 10m now. 1391568;1454268754;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1391569;1454268756;asciilifeform;10 tons. 1391570;1454268756;adlai;phf: also, afaict, clasp is designed for manipulating existing C++ libraries with your own tendrils, rather than tendriling an existing turdatron. tinyscheme is designed for the latter. 1391571;1454268843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm the 'whale' that moves the 10 tonnes, there. 1391572;1454268861;asciilifeform;(i don't work at '10,000 dogs' shops, as a matter of principle) 1391573;1454268877;mircea_popescu;you know, if human ability were actually infinite, management wouldn't exist. 1391574;1454268888;asciilifeform;it isn't infinite, but varies more than dog/whale. 1391575;1454268894;mircea_popescu;definitely. 1391576;1454268903;asciilifeform;more like whale/euglena. 1391577;1454268926;mircea_popescu;point remains, resource needs don't scale well in this type of problem. 1391578;1454268961;asciilifeform;it scales pretty well, if tmsr were an actual empire it could have a 100% mod6 and a 100% asciilifeform et al 1391579;1454268968;asciilifeform;instead of ~5-10% 1391580;1454268977;asciilifeform;granted this is not 10,000 dogs. 1391581;1454268982;asciilifeform;but nobody ~needs~ 10,000 dogs. 1391582;1454269033;phf;adlai: i don't see the difference. both require you to annotate your classes/method/data somehow. clasp requires less annotation with larger impact then tinyscheme, e.g. it knows about c++ and can do some advanced ffi-ing 1391583;1454269059;asciilifeform;phf: cpp does enough munging at compile time that this whole concept is disastrously meaningless 1391584;1454269065;mircea_popescu;ffi, fast fourier interfacing ? 1391585;1454269073;asciilifeform;foreign function interface 1391586;1454269079;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1391587;1454269083;asciilifeform;phf: you can't repl straight into cpp, and trying is guaranteed to bring you to grief 1391588;1454269094;phf;asciilifeform: that's what clasp does 1391589;1454269118;asciilifeform;embeds a cpp ~interpreter~ ? 1391590;1454269126;asciilifeform;even if this were so, this breaks the language semantics. 1391591;1454269128;asciilifeform;think about it. 1391592;1454269130;adlai;while you may want missile guidance on board the missile, you might not want the chip fab on board as well 1391593;1454269159;asciilifeform;a cpp is that is interpreted, and where magic that normally happens during compilation can happen MORE THAN ONCE, and AT RUNTIME, is guaranteed semantic-distinct from ordinary cpp. 1391594;1454269183;asciilifeform;cpp is not merely braindamaged, it is a roadkill that has sat in the sun for all of july 1391595;1454269190;asciilifeform;stop trying to attach life support to it. 1391596;1454269201;asciilifeform;(and this is pointedly not the intent of shiva.) 1391597;1454269225;adlai;my understanding is that nobody here wants to make bitcoind, the minimal concrete-sealed weaponized Bitcoin-that-Exists, able to compile a new version of itself 1391598;1454269233;mircea_popescu;god help us. 1391599;1454269236;asciilifeform;adlai: me. 1391600;1454269246;mircea_popescu;what ? 1391601;1454269253;asciilifeform;obviously not with the cpp garbage. 1391602;1454269261;asciilifeform;but the mythical os. 1391603;1454269264;mircea_popescu;you mean bitcoin-os 1391604;1454269266;mircea_popescu;oh 1391605;1454269266;asciilifeform;aha. 1391606;1454269285;mircea_popescu;well it'd pretty damned well be able to, else how is it an os 1391607;1454269289;adlai;asciilifeform: isn't shiva supposed to be an optimal point BETWEEN sentient-AGI-bitcoinOS and jsonrpc on port 8332? 1391608;1454269293;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but 'i come to bury ' the garbage, not to praise it.' 1391609;1454269294;phf;asciilifeform: while the goals are different, the mechanism is the same. you annotate classes, methods and get stable refs in your lisp instance, which shares heap with the running c++ process. 1391610;1454269318;adlai;rather than some continually-shifting goalpost that asymptotically approaches whatever sentience seems least broken 1391611;1454269321;mircea_popescu;phf but these adnotations are necessarily not translateable. 1391612;1454269326;asciilifeform;phf: annotate laboriously, by hand, and painfully aware of the impedance mismatches 1391613;1454269330;asciilifeform;rather than automatic claptrap. 1391614;1454269362;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391045 << that said, he has the best twitter ever: https://twitter.com/peterthiel 1391615;1454269362;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 15:28:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because thiel got money and no self respect. 1391616;1454269364;assbot;Peter Thiel (@peterthiel) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVls5k ) 1391617;1454269370;mircea_popescu;adlai no, shiva isn't supposed to be "an optimal point". it is supposed to be a CORRECT replacement of a currently broken implementation. 1391618;1454269378;mircea_popescu;and yes, both json and rpc are broken by design 1391619;1454269386;asciilifeform;phf: know the stories where, in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty, man's neurons are replaced one by one with robotic ones, and he doesn't notice ? 1391620;1454269393;asciilifeform;it is my intention to do this to trb. 1391621;1454269398;adlai;lemme put it another way... somewhere in the ANSI spec are probably one, two, or even three ~hundred~ symbols which the weaponized bitcoind-os does not need in its guts. define-setf-expander? define-method-combination? where do you draw the line? 1391622;1454269410;asciilifeform;adlai: ergo why i did not pick cl 1391623;1454269410;mircea_popescu;too soon. 1391624;1454269416;adlai;exactly. 1391625;1454269432;adlai;ergo why the clasp horse is also unnecessary to continue flogging. 1391626;1454269463;asciilifeform;also i laugh when folks take the spew of academitard 'compiler research' claptrap and try to actually use 1391627;1454269464;mircea_popescu;well the other one bated him. 1391628;1454269484;asciilifeform;sorta like going to a toy store to buy power tools 1391629;1454269500;asciilifeform;'hey this drill whirrs, more loudly even' 1391630;1454269504;asciilifeform;let's use. 1391631;1454269514;mircea_popescu;this log is moving so fast i'm actually getting contiguity issues trying to follow. 1391632;1454269525;adlai;again, not trying to perscribe what's right; obviously asciilifeform understands what he's trying to do infinitely better than i can; but... i think the line is somewhere between embedding an interpreter for a subset of r5rs, and embedding a ~compiler~ 1391633;1454269528;asciilifeform;fortunately for mircea_popescu , now i go and pet pet and wander around. 1391634;1454269539;*;asciilifeform bbl 1391635;1454269544;phf;clasp is not "compiler research", is designed to scratch itch of a single person, for doing computational chemistry 1391636;1454269547;adlai;happy wanderings asciilifeform 1391637;1454269552;mircea_popescu;adlai there's no option to embedding a compiler in an os. 1391638;1454269654;adlai;mircea_popescu: in these early days, when Bitcoin does not yet fully Exist, it seems as though everything is an option. the full shiva vision, as i understand it from recent logs, opens the door to doing exactly that, if some energetic idiot decides it's a good idea 1391639;1454269686;mircea_popescu;looky : currently we have a script that pulls dependencies, checks them, and builds. 1391640;1454269696;mircea_popescu;the reason alf wants a cd is because what he really wants is A BOOT CD. 1391641;1454269697;adlai;i don't think it's a good idea and i'm trying to dispel the notion for others who may. i'm a little surprised at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391599 and probably misunderstood alf. 1391642;1454269697;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 19:40:36; asciilifeform: adlai: me. 1391643;1454269705;mircea_popescu;nor is this eventual situation avoidable at all. 1391644;1454269722;*;adlai was "it's"ing about "doing exactly that", not about "BOOT CD" 1391645;1454269752;*;adlai doesn't want a CD because 4/5ths of his hardware doesn't know what CDs are... but this is back to bedrock issues 1391646;1454269762;mircea_popescu;i think maybe you've formed a partial idea of what's being discussed through the age old process of having read a partial set of what's been said. 1391647;1454269797;mircea_popescu;but in any case, compiling bitcoin in bitcoin is not either a goal or liable to be implemented before actually having a bitcoin-fs say. 1391648;1454269824;*;adlai keeps reading, both logs and seals, and maybe someday will have another partial idea 1391649;1454269824;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the fact that bitcoin-os is the unavoidable end of this entire process requires things be thought out with a view to that fact. 1391650;1454269872;adlai;well patches, not seals. the latter aren't particularly stimulating reading material per se 1391651;1454269960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105484 @ 0.0005514 = 58.1639 BTC [-] 1391652;1454270025;mod6;ok 1391653;1454270048;mod6;so... i've integrated asciilifeform's fix into a new patch that will replace the old one: http://dpaste.com/2KCXN8A.txt 1391654;1454270049;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQQ2N5 ) 1391655;1454270062;mod6;I'm going to build with this and live test it before I submit to the mailing list. 1391656;1454270068;mod6;bbs. 1391657;1454270276;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391635 << this thread is also further evidence that 'satoshi' was/included a plumber rather than academic or architect 1391658;1454270276;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 19:45:44; phf: clasp is not "compiler research", is designed to scratch itch of a single person, for doing computational chemistry 1391659;1454270326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92692 @ 0.00055672 = 51.6035 BTC [+] 1391660;1454270330;phf;the thread mostly reminded me of http://slaviccenter.com/languageschool/images/10104.jpg 1391661;1454270332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQQDOE ) 1391662;1454270349;phf;so i added inline patch display to my patch display displayer instead http://104.131.72.249/patches/mod6_fix_dumpblock_params 1391663;1454270350;assbot;mod6_fix_dumpblock_params ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQQHOC ) 1391664;1454270379;adlai;phf: this web-facing thing is part of your CL vtron? 1391665;1454270490;phf;adlai: yes 1391666;1454270557;*;adlai wonders at the boundedness of CL vtrons... probably nonexistent 1391667;1454270581;adlai;in the same sense as "eleven rabbis, twelve opinions" 1391668;1454270621;ben_vulpes;boundedness? 1391669;1454270633;adlai;boundedness [of implementation diversity] 1391670;1454270674;adlai;how many roads must a man walk down before he stops taking the less-trod fork 1391671;1454270801;ben_vulpes;how many rickety fucking buckets of others' design must a man endure before he gets the fuck out and walks on his own feet is the question i'm endeavoring to resolve for myself 1391672;1454271046;ben_vulpes;entirely unrelatedly, can anyone corroborate the story of the russians who burned a shitton of usd on camera and got the then-fed to credit some domestic account or other? 1391673;1454271286;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391110 << i did, not saying that it's not lying through its teeth though: http://imgur.com/Y1tGvZC 1391674;1454271286;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 15:52:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390875 << i'd be surprised if you actually can ever find this. 1391675;1454271287;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQSFhP ) 1391676;1454271362;mod6;ben_vulpes: how we lookin' bud? 1391677;1454271440;mod6;im gonna test this revised patch, if works, send it, then get that SoBA in ship-shape. 1391678;1454271462;ben_vulpes;did you get a chance to repro the issue i ran into with asciilifeform's shiva patches? 1391679;1454271481;mod6;hmm. 1391680;1454271485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00055672 = 17.7037 BTC [+] 1391681;1454271492;ben_vulpes;the 'rebaked' ones. 1391682;1454271494;mod6;i might need a reminder. i did go through a bunch of your comments though. 1391683;1454271503;ben_vulpes;!s bug for you 1391684;1454271504;assbot;17 results for 'bug for you' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bug+for+you 1391685;1454271511;mod6;oh yeah. 1391686;1454271516;mod6;yeah, no clue what you did there. 1391687;1454271525;mod6;i was able to press all of that out just fine. 1391688;1454271550;ben_vulpes;the rebaked ones? 1391689;1454271552;mod6;just had to stick his stuff into patches and .seals. but in all honesty, im not even sure if the patches & seals I'm using are what is indended at this point. 1391690;1454271562;mod6;lets not worry about that for now. that thing is in its infancy. 1391691;1454271595;ben_vulpes;so if i press those individually, in order, they work. but if i press the last patch, i believe that it fails to find its antecedents. 1391692;1454271618;mod6;i kinda have to turn a deaf ear to a lot of this stuff until the new month starts, and even then, i gotta keep my eye on the prize - dispite any other problems on the periphery. 1391693;1454271655;mod6;so ben_vulpes, understand that there is like a jumble of different things he submitted, and if the wrong ones are incorporated, it might puke. 1391694;1454271662;mod6;like i said, lets just hold off on that. 1391695;1454271669;mod6;it's not hurting anyone, and its not going in the release. 1391696;1454271687;ben_vulpes;okeee 1391697;1454271690;mod6;i can't even take the time to jump down that rabbit hole right now. 1391698;1454271692;mod6;make sense? 1391699;1454271697;ben_vulpes;yeah boss 1391700;1454271768;mod6;ahh, and then there is this now -- when compiling with alf's fix incorporated: 1391701;1454271771;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt 1391702;1454271772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQTW8K ) 1391703;1454271774;mod6;so that's not the only thing that needed to change. 1391704;1454272080;phf;huh so with original v design, mod6 could sign all the patches that are deemed releasable, and then all you need is mod6.asc in your wot and trb will press 1391705;1454272223;phf;perhaps then trb instructions should be "download mod6.asc into ~/.wot" which is a trust starting point 1391706;1454272340;phf;where's mirrors can contain any number of patches 1391707;1454272358;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391245 << lines 64 and 65 of v.pl. perhaps i can't read perl? 1391708;1454272358;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:21; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly a concatenation of the two strings << where do you see this? this is not a thing. that would fail to compile/pass-interpreter-smell-test. 1391709;1454272448;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391246 << oh this is superb 1391710;1454272448;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:34; phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast) 1391711;1454272448;mod6;lemme take a look. 1391712;1454272489;mod6;what version are you looking at? perhaps my 64 & 65 are different? 1391713;1454272534;mod6;oh oh 1391714;1454272538;mod6;im retard 1391715;1454272539;mod6;one sec. 1391716;1454272555;mod6; my $import = "gpg --homedir $tdir --logger-fd 1 --keyid-format=long " . 1391717;1454272558;mod6; "--import $wdir/$pubkey 2> /dev/null"; 1391718;1454272559;mod6;these right ^ 1391719;1454272562;ben_vulpes;yessir 1391720;1454272596;mod6;ok so whats going on there is that to preserve 80 cols, i create a command spanning two lines 1391721;1454272613;mod6;"command part A" . "command part B" and set that equal to $import 1391722;1454272623;ben_vulpes;so the '.' is both a line-break escape and string concatenation? 1391723;1454272626;mod6;then in the next line i do this: 1391724;1454272628;mod6; my $res = `$import`; 1391725;1454272644;mod6;and execute $import and set the result (output) of the command to $res 1391726;1454272658;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> so the '.' is both a line-break escape and string concatenation? << its not a line break. its just a string concatenation. 1391727;1454272676;ben_vulpes;well there is a line break between those two strings 1391728;1454272686;mod6;notice how there is a space after '=long ' 1391729;1454272701;ben_vulpes;sure 1391730;1454272714;mod6;yup yup, i put a 0x0a in there just to preseve 80 cols. but perl deoesn't care nor does it add a '\n' to the command string 1391731;1454272733;ben_vulpes;that's what i thought 1391732;1454272735;mod6;ok. 1391733;1454272736;ben_vulpes;thanks for confirming mod6 1391734;1454272739;mod6;np 1391735;1454272865;mod6;some of you out there who are following along will be like, "yeah, what about line 426, or 484 then!! eh!?" 1391736;1454272874;mod6;well, i missed a few, need to clean those up :P 1391737;1454272876;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391302 lemme see. your beloved gmail marked README as application/octet-stream 1391738;1454272876;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 18:31:17; asciilifeform: BURNNN 1391739;1454272909;jurov;which caused turdatron to skip it while searching for clearsigned part 1391740;1454272910;punkman;everything I've sent has been octet-stream, I think 1391741;1454272961;jurov;punkman what outgoing address/alias do you use? 1391742;1454273025;jurov;did you ever sent anything to ml? 1391743;1454273025;punkman;pub@extemporized.com , I manually set octet-stream for all my attachments, but it's possible the crappy email-sender I use overrode it for the email body 1391744;1454273075;jurov;ah i see. but you send the clearsigned part as Content-Type: text/plain 1391745;1454273090;punkman;ah, ok then 1391746;1454273090;jurov;(example: [BTC-dev] Some test patches and my V implementation) 1391747;1454273193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116050 @ 0.00055698 = 64.6375 BTC [+] {3} 1391748;1454273251;mod6;asciilifeform: <+mod6> so... i've integrated asciilifeform's fix into a new patch that will replace the old one: http://dpaste.com/2KCXN8A.txt << <+mod6> ahh, and then there is this now -- when compiling with alf's fix incorporated: <+mod6> http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt << any thoughts on how to fix0r this? 1391749;1454273252;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQQ2N5 ) 1391750;1454273253;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQTW8K ) 1391751;1454273253;punkman;web-based turdatron woulda saved you a lot of debug time :/ 1391752;1454273274;mod6;meanwhile, im gonna work on getting this SoBA completed. :] 1391753;1454273282;jurov;asciilifeform: can't you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg? 1391754;1454273305;felipelalli;deedbot- http://pastebin.com/raw/Bd3Qg7aW 1391755;1454273306;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQXFTR ) 1391756;1454273311;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1391757;1454273397;felipelalli;!gettrust assbot felipelalli 1391758;1454273398;assbot;Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/ 1391759;1454273411;jurov;punkman you're welcome to contribute a script that checks web submission (upload form for clearsigned text + any number of "attachments") and turns it into email 1391760;1454273475;felipelalli;any ideas why my doc was rejected? 1391761;1454273483;jurov;to mirror turdatron, only clearsigned text is checked if it's someone known to gpg, anything other is passed unchanged 1391762;1454273517;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3HV3FZC.txt 1391763;1454273518;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQY4Wa ) 1391764;1454273524;deedbot-;rejected: 1 1391765;1454273548;adlai;felipelalli: nope, but the symptom is reproducible! 1391766;1454273553;jurov;felipelalli: it's expired 1391767;1454273591;felipelalli;jurov, and how can I workaround this? Or this is out of my control? :) 1391768;1454273605;felipelalli;my GPG key is expired you mean? 1391769;1454273607;jurov;if you want you can send it to btc-dev, it ignores key expirations 1391770;1454273614;jurov;yes your gpg key 1391771;1454273624;adlai;what is expired? i was able to load it without any error about this 1391772;1454273655;*;adlai sees: pub rsa4096/ED5CDE14 2013-05-02 [expires: 2018-12-06] 1391773;1454273664;jurov;felipelalli: did you prolong it recently? 1391774;1454273670;felipelalli;yes. 1391775;1454273692;felipelalli;It has expired in my birthday (2015-12-06) 1391776;1454273702;jurov;well, then both mine and deedbot-'s keyring wasn't updated with your update 1391777;1454273720;felipelalli;I have uploaded to MIT. 1391778;1454273722;jurov;you must wait for the botmaster (trinque afaik) to fix it 1391779;1454273747;jurov;yes you uploaded, that part is fine, but bot hasn't downloaded it 1391780;1454273755;adlai;assuming or suggesting that people use automated key upgrade mechanisms is... somewhere between negligent and criminal. at least, criminally negligent. 1391781;1454273756;felipelalli;jurov, nice! Thank you. 1391782;1454273801;adlai;felipelalli: maybe try another http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=add-key 1391783;1454273801;assbot;30 results for 'add-key' - #bitcoin-assets search 1391784;1454273850;jurov;oh yes! try resubmitting your pubkey to deedbot. 1391785;1454273874;felipelalli;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/0019PDB.txt 1391786;1454273876;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQYRXa ) 1391787;1454273928;adlai;... ( http://bit.ly/1wBYQL8 ) 1391788;1454273929;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQYWdz ) 1391789;1454273974;*;ben_vulpes chuckles 1391790;1454273999;felipelalli;deedbot- gives some feedback after the add-key? 1391791;1454274009;adlai;ben_vulpes: archive.is the best -ception 1391792;1454274105;felipelalli;It should say something like "imported: FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9" - but it didn't. 1391793;1454274901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21832 @ 0.0005514 = 12.0382 BTC [-] {2} 1391794;1454275142;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390983 this is already done, turdatron links raw version of all email parts (check for yourself) 1391795;1454275142;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 14:42:22; mircea_popescu: just, if you want to add a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also. 1391796;1454275208;jurov;so you can pass clearsigned text directly to deedbot like: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-01-2016#1359305 1391797;1454275208;assbot;Logged on 02-01-2016 21:57:55; jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160102/attachment_0451ec0ba3062d4608318f96270dd7c9f65e42e1.txt 1391798;1454275216;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: if i understand the shiva rebake correctly, applying tinyscheme_genesis_vpatch, then tinyscheme_crud_snip, then tinyscheme_repl_fix_fixed bangs the tree into the correct shape? 1391799;1454275420;jurov;trinque: does deedbot allow submissions with detached signatures? like "deedbot- " 1391800;1454275542;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Cd9wGHtr0 1391801;1454275543;assbot;Egyptian Lover - I Need A Freak - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QR2LiJ ) 1391802;1454275672;jurov;thay would be much cleaner solution that trying to invent some "container" for patches to prevent whitespace/newline munging 1391803;1454275774;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b14 1391804;1454275827;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1391805;1454275896;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_rear 1391806;1454275911;ascii_rear;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391753 << spam forced me into the wagen 1391807;1454275911;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:48:02; jurov: asciilifeform: can't you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg? 1391808;1454275924;ascii_rear;i can't use mp's filter algo 1391809;1454275958;ascii_rear;gotta be able to receive from not-seen-before addrs 1391810;1454275992;ascii_rear;but also don't have 2hrs/day to hand-sift 1391811;1454276043;ascii_rear;i have a nongmail box but it is rapidly drowning under deluge 1391812;1454276059;phf;ascii_rear: you tried fastmail? 1391813;1454276060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34371 @ 0.0005517 = 18.9625 BTC [+] 1391814;1454276187;phf;well, then 1391815;1454276209;mircea_popescu;omfg no fucking wai. 1391816;1454276225;*;mircea_popescu goes back to log reading the gap\ 1391817;1454276306;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1391818;1454276346;mircea_popescu;http://104.131.72.249/patches/mod6_fix_dumpblock_params << this is rapidly becoming very sweet. mind adding the select javascript too ? :D 1391819;1454276347;assbot;mod6_fix_dumpblock_params ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQQHOC ) 1391820;1454276393;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_rear 1391821;1454276394;trinque;jurov │ trinque: does deedbot allow submissions with detached signatures? like "deedbot- " << it does not, but is not rocket surgery to add. seems useful for posting scripts 1391822;1454276409;ascii_rear;and its gangrene stinks!! 1391823;1454276440;trinque;!up felipelalli 1391824;1454276459;phf;kek, Selfimportant html ButtSecks header 1391825;1454276499;ascii_rear;waiwut 1391826;1454276523;felipelalli;kakobrekla, do you have an idea why deedbot- didn't accept my renewed key? thank you. 1391827;1454276579;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/ 1391828;1454276580;assbot;That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZbjX6 ) 1391829;1454276596;kakobrekla;felipelalli ask trinque, i dont run deedbot- 1391830;1454276608;trinque;felipelalli: I thought you were talking about assbot 1391831;1454276629;ascii_rear;maybe we will learn now why it does nothing on my wwwtrons 1391832;1454276654;mircea_popescu;srsly. 1391833;1454276676;ascii_rear;bbl 1391834;1454276750;ben_vulpes;aha i begin to see the wisdom of pressing all reachable leaves now 1391835;1454276757;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391704 << yeah that's the idea, but we specifically dun want to say "trust x thing" in the imperative. 1391836;1454276757;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:28:00; phf: huh so with original v design, mod6 could sign all the patches that are deemed releasable, and then all you need is mod6.asc in your wot and trb will press 1391837;1454276774;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, a large chunk of what mod6 is doing is running through the ever-expanding ball of patches and making a curated set. 1391838;1454276853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.00055583 = 22.3505 BTC [+] {2} 1391839;1454276868;jurov;i'm willing to bet than when there will be turdatron www upload form, asciilifeform will use the most broken browser in existence to try to upload the files 1391840;1454276884;punkman;lol 1391841;1454276889;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391737 <<< aaaahahahaha 1391842;1454276889;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:41:16; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391302 lemme see. your beloved gmail marked README as application/octet-stream 1391843;1454276890;jurov;like he does with the email client 1391844;1454276902;mircea_popescu;hey alf, how about you move out of the us ? hm ? HM ? 1391845;1454276917;mircea_popescu;jurov there is some merit to that lol. 1391846;1454276958;mircea_popescu;da fuck, you must be the only one here using gmail. 1391847;1454277044;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391760 << if your sig expired it may be that deedbot will still see the expired one until it updates. if it ever does. 1391848;1454277044;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 20:51:15; felipelalli: any ideas why my doc was rejected? 1391849;1454277050;mircea_popescu;really, expiring signatures is a stupid idea. 1391850;1454277057;mircea_popescu;you want to expire a sig, do it by hand. 1391851;1454277156;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391794 << yeah but i meant, before it goes in, not after. after yes it does, and it's very nice. 1391852;1454277156;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 21:19:02; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390983 this is already done, turdatron links raw version of all email parts (check for yourself) 1391853;1454277187;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391802 << thinking about it i think you';re right actually. 1391854;1454277187;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2016 21:27:52; jurov: thay would be much cleaner solution that trying to invent some "container" for patches to prevent whitespace/newline munging 1391855;1454277369;punkman;gpg already has dpastable ascii containers 1391856;1454277394;jurov;but they are completely unreadable 1391857;1454277405;mircea_popescu;we're going the other way : taking gpg out, not putting more of it in. 1391858;1454277405;ben_vulpes;anyways, mod6 you gotta upgrade v.pl to press *all* reachable leaves. that's the problem i'm running into with asciilifeform's recent shiva rebake 1391859;1454277419;jurov;*human-unreadable 1391860;1454277439;mod6;all reachable leaves 1391861;1454277442;mod6;it does 1391862;1454277516;ben_vulpes;o.O 1391863;1454277525;*;ben_vulpes digs 1391864;1454277585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79696 @ 0.00055644 = 44.346 BTC [+] {5} 1391865;1454277676;phf;put everything in tar containers? 1391866;1454277724;phf;fwiw stock selection magic doesn't work out of the box on safari 1391867;1454277749;phf;nor firefox 1391868;1454277903;phf;mircea_popescu: http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud does selection work here for you? 1391869;1454277904;assbot;asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud ... ( http://bit.ly/1QR7NvC ) 1391870;1454277976;ben_vulpes;can someone confirm that it's just as possible to malleate a transaction low->high s as it is to malleate it high->low ? 1391871;1454278148;mircea_popescu;nope 1391872;1454278168;mircea_popescu;phf does the archive.is implementation work for yo u ? 1391873;1454278190;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: meaning that transactions can only be malleated from high->low order? 1391874;1454278191;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in what sense "just as possible" 1391875;1454278201;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nope was @phf's question 1391876;1454278204;ben_vulpes;oh. 1391877;1454278240;ben_vulpes;in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn't figure into the question. 1391878;1454278256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55084 @ 0.00055834 = 30.7556 BTC [+] {2} 1391879;1454278323;mircea_popescu;what's your idea of possible ? 1391880;1454278339;mircea_popescu;"is it as possible to turn a grade from 50% to 75% as it is to turn it from 75% to 50%" ? 1391881;1454278354;mircea_popescu;in what sense ? paper will carry anything. the social practice of throwing curves won't. etc. 1391882;1454278360;ben_vulpes;if you have access to the gradebook... 1391883;1454278372;mircea_popescu;if you mine yourself, on your own coin, it is possible to do anything. 1391884;1454278384;ben_vulpes;so a decomposition then 1391885;1454278421;ben_vulpes;i create a transaction with a low s value. someone listening to broadcast transactions can rewrite my tx to have a high s value. 1391886;1454278423;ben_vulpes;correct? 1391887;1454278428;ben_vulpes;(create and broadcast) 1391888;1454278434;mircea_popescu;numerically, there is no way to distinguish between a transaction that was signed high and a transaction that was signed low and malleated to high 1391889;1454278455;mircea_popescu;juist like numerically there is no way to distinguish between a transaction that was signed low and one that was signed high and malleated to low. 1391890;1454278464;ben_vulpes;great, i follow. 1391891;1454278473;mircea_popescu;mostly because the conversion consists of substracting from a constant 1391892;1454278528;ben_vulpes;now, are miners not mining transactions signed low? 1391893;1454278543;mircea_popescu;the miners are mining low-s as is and malleating all high-s and mining them as low-s 1391894;1454278561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15575 @ 0.00056082 = 8.7348 BTC [+] {2} 1391895;1454278563;ben_vulpes;okay. 1391896;1454278571;mircea_popescu;the benefit of all this pile of legwork is deeply unclear, 1391897;1454278578;mircea_popescu;but the derps ran off with progress and here we are. 1391898;1454278587;ben_vulpes;now were b,tmsr~ to run its own pool mining only high-s transactions, would clients in the wild reject those blocks? 1391899;1454278606;mircea_popescu;i originally thought so but research in here shows that no, it's never checked. 1391900;1454278626;mircea_popescu;feel free to read it yourself, pointer to code was in log 1391901;1454278638;ben_vulpes;sure, i'm mostly confirming my own recollection. 1391902;1454278643;mircea_popescu;right. 1391903;1454278667;ben_vulpes;but digging as far down into the roots of my conclusions as makes sense to dispel ambiguity 1391904;1454278672;ben_vulpes;uh next 1391905;1454278699;ben_vulpes;how did you come to the conclusion that it was miners doing the malleation, and not nobodies malleating and rebroadcasting? 1391906;1454278709;mircea_popescu;cui prodest. 1391907;1454278738;ben_vulpes;> deeply unclear 1391908;1454278760;mircea_popescu;cui prodest scelus is fecit, he who benefits from misdeed did it. 1391909;1454278773;ben_vulpes;could just as easily be a USG FUD campaign. 1391910;1454278783;ben_vulpes;how do the miners benefit though. 1391911;1454278799;mircea_popescu;tx fee 1391912;1454278810;ben_vulpes;it is greater on malleated transactions?! but but 1391913;1454278817;ben_vulpes;this'd invalidate the signature. 1391914;1454278822;ben_vulpes;i'm sure that i misunderstand. 1391915;1454278862;mircea_popescu;if you include the tx, you get the fee. if you don't include it, for any reason, you don't get the fee. 1391916;1454278886;mircea_popescu;since they agreed to only include low-s for whatever random reason / concern trolling / misinformed desire to be nice and good, they're stuck now. 1391917;1454278939;mircea_popescu;note the very usg-tard approach to things : it IS true that ambiguous signatures are bad ; it is DEEPLY UNTRUE that we can counter this by AGREEING among ourselves "not to do it". 1391918;1454278953;mircea_popescu;statutory solutions to bad design, a "western world" specialty. 1391919;1454278968;ben_vulpes;but there's no actual reason why they couldn't mine high-s transactions, adherence to party line aside. 1391920;1454278979;mircea_popescu;there is no real reason to do anything they do anyway 1391921;1454278984;mircea_popescu;adherence to shared delusion aside. 1391922;1454279197;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000203.html 1391923;1454279198;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRacXn ) 1391924;1454279205;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1391925;1454279273;mircea_popescu;``heathen command'' << am i the only one seeing a weird set of unmatching quotes here ? 1391926;1454279279;mircea_popescu;` vs ' 1391927;1454279292;ben_vulpes;that's how mod6 has always quoted things... 1391928;1454279295;BingoBoingo; in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn't figure into the question. << Someone malleating to high-s is why power derps started malleating to low-s 1391929;1454279305;mod6;sometimes when i'm quoteing someone, as opposed to a thing, i'll use `` '' instead. 1391930;1454279308;mircea_popescu;ah k 1391931;1454279310;phf;so selecting works, but visiting url with selection gives me weirdest bugs :o 1391932;1454279319;ben_vulpes;"selecting works!" 1391933;1454279326;ben_vulpes;"viewing, not yet." 1391934;1454279344;mircea_popescu;phf is this a case of "js is useless" or fixable ? 1391935;1454279352;phf;i got tricked into hacking web 1391936;1454279362;mircea_popescu;see what the republic can do to you ? 1391937;1454279366;mircea_popescu;hide your daugthers, nothing is safe. 1391938;1454279367;phf;gotta outsource it to ben_vulpes 1391939;1454279385;mircea_popescu;#b-a corrupts deeper than anything aforeseen. 1391940;1454279415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 302 @ 0.0034999 = 1.057 BTC [-] 1391941;1454279416;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is actually right, there's some history of derpage in all this. 1391942;1454279416;phf;he can get me a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react 1391943;1454279420;BingoBoingo; since they agreed to only include low-s for whatever random reason / concern trolling / misinformed desire to be nice and good, they're stuck now. << It's power derps malleating tx on the way to miners, including on that realy network. 1391944;1454279429;ben_vulpes;la serenissima might be able to rent my oar pullers if it could convert my deficit spending to turkey-buying dollars 1391945;1454279480;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes serenissima would rather buy coke whores from drexl than west coast web coders. 1391946;1454279486;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo is actually right, there's some history of derpage in all this. << username high-s malleator used on social media was 'amaclin' 1391947;1454279497;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you think i don't know this? 1391948;1454279535;ben_vulpes;how do you think i'd rather spend my dollars, on 'macbook pros' or bitcoins and linux workstations? 1391949;1454279556;mircea_popescu;my bet is diapers and station wagons, but we digress :D 1391950;1454279561;BingoBoingo;!b 3 1391951;1454279561;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HV75KR.txt ) 1391952;1454279582;ben_vulpes;diapers are pretty cheap, actually. 1391953;1454279588;ben_vulpes;don't even add up to a whole computer over the year. 1391954;1454279602;mircea_popescu;actually from what i hear, that's the voice of privilege. 1391955;1454279609;BingoBoingo;brb after dinner and 12&12 study to issue qntra statement 1391956;1454279611;mircea_popescu;anyone thinking diapers are cheap is not-poor in the us 1391957;1454279619;mircea_popescu;just like everyone who had jeans was not-poor in su. 1391958;1454279650;mircea_popescu;mod6 weather it is `high' or `low'. < 1391959;1454279682;mircea_popescu; in the email to the mailing list. [R ?] 1391960;1454279735;mod6;oh hey, did i screw that up? 1391961;1454279773;ben_vulpes;oop 1391962;1454279788;mod6;i don't follow. 1391963;1454279812;mircea_popescu;the first is a mere spelling error. the second, shoul;dn't there be a [R]eference to the email ? 1391964;1454279838;mod6;mod6's vpatch, `mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch' [R.09] 1391965;1454279845;mod6;ok yeah, there is a ref in there. ^ 1391966;1454279855;mod6;spelling error. christ on a pony. 1391967;1454279866;mod6;"Hier lies mod6, couldn't spell." 1391968;1454279869;ben_vulpes;i even pointed that one out to you, but we're mad busy 1391969;1454279893;mircea_popescu; [ V ]: 1391970;1454279894;mod6;oh f. yah you did. dangit. 1391971;1454279894;mircea_popescu; mod6 released V [v99996] [R.05] that resolved a defect and implemented two 1391972;1454279894;mircea_popescu; change requests. The intimate details of the changes are outlined in the 1391973;1454279894;mircea_popescu; email to the mailing list. 1391974;1454279896;*;mod6 headdrop 1391975;1454279900;mircea_popescu;so then... add a [R.09] at end of that ? 1391976;1454279903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67095 @ 0.00055133 = 36.9915 BTC [-] {4} 1391977;1454279917;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: would you confirm that tinyscheme_genesis_fixed.vpatch does *not* depend on shiva parts one and two? 1391978;1454279956;mod6;mircea_popescu: that part is just in reference to V's release in R.05, not the high/low S patch which is R.09 1391979;1454279974;mircea_popescu;so then "the email to the mailing list" symbol shouldn't have a reference ? 1391980;1454279988;mircea_popescu;i dunno, doesn't have to, just asking. 1391981;1454279996;mod6;oh, it does, sometimes if it's been referenced before in the document, i don't re-reference it. 1391982;1454280014;mod6; NOTE: With the publication of the latest version of V [v99996] [R.05] these 1391983;1454280017;mod6; makefiles, as they were submitted to the Mailing List [R.06] 1391984;1454280030;mod6;where that part is above the section for [V] 1391985;1454280031;mircea_popescu;ah ok 1391986;1454280038;mod6;i just tried to avoid extra clutter in there. 1391987;1454280065;ben_vulpes;phf: selection works on chrome for me 1391988;1454280073;*;jurov pats mod6 on the shoulder... no problem, i had to redo monthly treasury report once or twice, too 1391989;1454280122;phf;ben_vulpes: yeah, i fixed more things since i last chimed in, but now end range is not being covered on safari 1391990;1454280181;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes does the selection work on trilema for you ? 1391991;1454280200;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: link me? 1391992;1454280245;ben_vulpes;phf: also, if you'd care to share your llvm/clang compilator i'd love to take a look 1391993;1454280246;phf;so i dropped patches from "[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge." but i'm still missing something so they are just hanging there separately, http://104.131.72.249/patches/ 1391994;1454280247;assbot;trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1WV9qcg ) 1391995;1454280296;punkman;there's a part about a dir rename in that mail 1391996;1454280351;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/splendor-in-the-grass/#selection-39.2-39.71 ? 1391997;1454280352;assbot;Splendor in the Grass on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVE9pC ) 1391998;1454280384;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: highlights "uppose if we were all mentally retarded a la United States / Some O" 1391999;1454280396;mircea_popescu;holy shit 1392000;1454280415;mircea_popescu;"riously, so the girl won't fuck because she figures you don't value her if she" << on my system 1392001;1454280433;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/splendor-in-the-grass/#selection-43.3-43.70 does what you said 1392002;1454280434;assbot;Splendor in the Grass on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRcmGc ) 1392003;1454280443;mircea_popescu;omfg they don't count elements the same way. 1392004;1454280457;phf;yeah, that's what i'm debugging right now 1392005;1454280462;ben_vulpes;have fun boys 1392006;1454280473;ben_vulpes;with that spittoon 1392007;1454280487;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes https://archive.is/TtMr6#selection-83.9-83.27 < what's this select ? 1392008;1454280488;assbot;Splendor in the Grass on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRcs0E ) 1392009;1454280502;ben_vulpes;"naked Natalie Wood" 1392010;1454280505;mircea_popescu;RIGHT! 1392011;1454280510;ben_vulpes;have fun 1392012;1454280513;mircea_popescu;so wtf. 1392013;1454280520;ben_vulpes;don't know or care 1392014;1454280526;phf;mircea_popescu: it's broken across multiple dom elements 1392015;1454280529;mircea_popescu;i guess i fucked it up when putting it on trilema ? asciilifeform ^ mind saying what the above link does ? 1392016;1454280617;ben_vulpes;aha 1392017;1454280620;phf;on safari first selection (if we were all...) simply breaks, second one works 1392018;1454280635;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: has blessed us with a new root node with which to fuzz all v implementations 1392019;1454280708;mircea_popescu;phf the truth is that it'd be great if there was a way for reader to select what text he's referencing. but if it can't be made to work then we can't really use it. 1392020;1454280785;ben_vulpes;but it's so close! with only an unknowable amount of further hacking it could totally work! 1392021;1454280813;punkman;why not highlight server-side 1392022;1454280822;phf;ben_vulpes: so shiva 2 of 2 links to rest of tree, shiva 1 of 1 is a genesis with no descendants, and that whole tinyscheme_genesis_fixed tree presses into tinyscheme/ root that's not even inside bitcoin. i'm not sure what ascii is up to 1392023;1454280827;mircea_popescu;punkman server doens't know what reader cares about. 1392024;1454280844;punkman;just need a ? instead of # 1392025;1454280878;ben_vulpes;phf: i see 1392026;1454280907;mircea_popescu;punkman how do you figure this'd work ? 1392027;1454280923;mircea_popescu;the dom is a wholly client side thing, server just spits out a string as far as it's concerned 1392028;1454280927;punkman;it'd work better for viewing, because I've seen broken selections a lot too 1392029;1454280935;mircea_popescu;viewport allignment also client side thing 1392030;1454280986;ben_vulpes;a thing to do might be to leave the genesis press as-is, move the resulting tinyscheme dir into the correct shiva location and then press the rest of the patches reground to reference the shivadir 1392031;1454281000;ben_vulpes;this means that v-pressings have to be idempotent. 1392032;1454281087;ben_vulpes;eg that `v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch && v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch' must result in the same tree as running the command once. 1392033;1454281108;ben_vulpes;so that operators can press, migrate dir, and press more. 1392034;1454281138;ben_vulpes;;;later tell asciilifeform ^^ plz to opine 1392035;1454281138;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1392036;1454281253;jurov;!mpif 1392037;1454281254;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021486 B (Total: 426.88 B). Delta: -1.51 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000209 BTC [-] 1392038;1454281263;jurov;!t m f.mpif 1392039;1454281263;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. 1392040;1454281796;phf;so if i have a->b->c d->e and i'm pressing to b, i need to make sure that topo sort is d e a b c, so that the press includes d and e 1392041;1454281841;phf;doing by the book kahn topo sort on my graph results in topo a b c d e so pressing to c drops the whole d e subgraph 1392042;1454282016;punkman;http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/founder-liberty-reserve-pleads-guilty-laundering-more-250-million-through-his-digital qntra tip 1392043;1454282017;assbot;Founder of Liberty Reserve Pleads Guilty to Laundering More Than $250 Million through His Digital Currency Business | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVGFwa ) 1392044;1454282094;ben_vulpes;phf: yuuuup. 1392045;1454282210;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn't that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key? 1392046;1454282284;felipelalli;trinque, no I was talking about deedbot-. The bot didn't accept my renewed key. 1392047;1454282324;phf;in fact kahn iterates over a set of nodes, so there's no explicit order guarantee 1392048;1454282337;felipelalli;deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/0019PDB.txt 1392049;1454282338;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQYRXa ) 1392050;1454282404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97146 @ 0.00056026 = 54.427 BTC [+] {3} 1392051;1454282420;ben_vulpes;phf: the chains must kiss somewhere in order for the ordering to make sense 1392052;1454282447;phf;aye 1392053;1454282533;felipelalli;It makes a lot of sense to me: https://help.riseup.net/en/gpg-best-practices#use-an-expiration-date-less-than-two-years 1392054;1454282534;assbot;OpenPGP Best Practices - help.riseup.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prv5r4 ) 1392055;1454282572;ben_vulpes;felipelalli: mpex doesn't respect key expiration extension. 1392056;1454282592;phf;i can change my toposort to consider first seen nodes first, which results in the full press like http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 1392057;1454282593;assbot;asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prvdqq ) 1392058;1454282620;phf;but that merges nodes from unrelated graphs without any sort of sense or reason 1392059;1454282680;phf;so pressing anything from shiva graph is entirely senseless http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_tinyscheme_shiva_bridge 1392060;1454282681;assbot;asciilifeform_tinyscheme_shiva_bridge ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrvlpP ) 1392061;1454282707;phf;asciilifeform: ^ plx 1392062;1454282729;ben_vulpes;http://104.131.72.249/patches/tinyscheme_genesis_fixed << you still have 1/2 and 2/2 in there 1392063;1454282731;assbot;tinyscheme_genesis_fixed ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrvqKh ) 1392064;1454282737;ben_vulpes;this is a nifty patchbrowser, phf 1392065;1454282867;ben_vulpes;phf: what do you mean "first seen nodes"? 1392066;1454283148;phf;ben_vulpes: kahn loops over a list of nodes that starts with genesis. on each iteration node in the list is inspected, its children added to the list for further inspection. you can give priority to what was in the list first or give priority to what's in the list last, which will produce either depth first or breadth first walk 1392067;1454283213;ben_vulpes;aha. 1392068;1454283236;ben_vulpes;i suspect v's toposort will need to account for multiple geneses 1392069;1454283268;phf;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388877 1392070;1454283268;assbot;Logged on 29-01-2016 18:19:27; phf: right now it seems like an artifact of topo sort 1392071;1454283291;ben_vulpes;either that or find roots first, toposort from each root, and then apply each set of toposorted patches in some arbitrary order 1392072;1454283348;phf;well, original v uses python dictionary for "list to inspect", i.e. order is non-deterministic 1392073;1454283359;ben_vulpes;mhm, i recall 1392074;1454283383;ben_vulpes;i think it's asciibeterministic 1392075;1454283665;mircea_popescu;phf> doing by the book kahn topo sort on my graph results in topo a b c d e so pressing to c drops the whole d e subgraph << this is correct. 1392076;1454283712;mircea_popescu;<felipelalli> mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn't that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key? << how is a bitfield in the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of the key ? neither of these are time-able events. 1392077;1454283905;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: this introduces a conflict between "pressing a head presses all signed patches at same leaf-level that have been signed by wot" 1392078;1454283924;ben_vulpes;conflict *with 1392079;1454283928;mircea_popescu;between what and what ? 1392080;1454283941;mircea_popescu;uh. how are unconnected nodes at "the same level" ? they're at an undefined level 1392081;1454283950;mircea_popescu;and undefined is by definition not equal to anything 1392082;1454283963;ben_vulpes;this was a thing i bounced off weeks ago! 1392083;1454283977;mircea_popescu;if d e do not have a common antecessor with c, pressig to c dropps them. 1392084;1454283991;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-11-2015#1323384 1392085;1454283991;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:00; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct? 1392086;1454283998;mircea_popescu;SAME LEVEL! 1392087;1454284005;mircea_popescu;nodes at undefined level are not same with anything. 1392088;1454284022;ben_vulpes;howzabout another scenario 1392089;1454284027;mircea_popescu;c is level 2. d is level ?. 1392090;1454284032;mircea_popescu;? != 2. 1392091;1454284035;ben_vulpes;d is level 0, actually 1392092;1454284036;ben_vulpes;as is a 1392093;1454284039;mircea_popescu;no, it is not. 1392094;1454284044;mircea_popescu;a is level 0, for c. d is level ? for c. 1392095;1454284067;mircea_popescu;you're thinking global scope like some sort of perlhead. 1392096;1454284082;ben_vulpes;flow already makes this mistake iirc 1392097;1454284097;ben_vulpes;but there's no guarantee that it renders a b c d e instead of d e a b c 1392098;1454284108;ben_vulpes;BECAUSE FLATTENING TREES 1392099;1454284112;mircea_popescu;huh ? 1392100;1454284153;mircea_popescu;anyway. there is no concept of level defined outside of a press. 1392101;1454284154;*;ben_vulpes refuses to give up 1392102;1454284182;mircea_popescu;if you're pressing c, then all the leaves c depends on have levels, and only they have a level. 1392103;1454284196;ben_vulpes;yes! 1392104;1454284223;mircea_popescu;so a has 0 and c has 2 and d has nothing. 1392105;1454284234;ben_vulpes;what is to be done with c' and c'', then (patches that also depend on b but have nothing to do with c) 1392106;1454284247;mircea_popescu;if you're pressing e, d is 0, and e is 1, and a, b and c are all ? 1392107;1454284259;ben_vulpes;yes i follow, slow as i am 1392108;1454284269;mircea_popescu;aite. 1392109;1454284291;ben_vulpes;but the primes, do i press them? or simply recurse up the antecedent chain cleanly? 1392110;1454284297;mircea_popescu;what primes ? 1392111;1454284307;ben_vulpes;a b {c, c', c''} 1392112;1454284333;ben_vulpes;where c, c' and c'' all depend on b. if i press c, do c' and c'' make it as well? 1392113;1454284341;mircea_popescu;that's entirely up to you neh ? i'd prefer it if i told you to press c for you to limit yourself to pressing c. 1392114;1454284353;mircea_popescu;someone who is doing debugging might wish to see the whole tree all the way down 1392115;1454284361;mircea_popescu;this is up to the user. 1392116;1454284395;ben_vulpes;sure, and i don't take much umbrage at this. 1392117;1454284426;mircea_popescu;generally from what i've understood, the default behaviour was production (1st above), whereas people these days decided they'd like to see development (2nd above). i also don't take umbrage with this. 1392118;1454284475;mircea_popescu;but unconnected graphs are a horse of another feather. 1392119;1454284493;mircea_popescu;you wanna see shiva, press e. 1392120;1454284628;ben_vulpes;sorry for all the dumb questions, just working to tease out into explicitude what everyone else takes for granted. 1392121;1454284664;phf;mircea_popescu: what to do about a b->c->d e->f press to c. a b c? or b c? 1392122;1454284699;mircea_popescu;a b c 1392123;1454284702;mircea_popescu;o sorry 1392124;1454284703;mircea_popescu;b c 1392125;1454284733;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no it's not bad, make sure we're ACTUALLY on the same page as opposed to just jointly excited.