1289092;1443657654;BingoBoingo;The unnatural dietary and chemical excesses involved in high level football, when you remove the atheletics and chemical excesses amount to hamplanetary fast food consumption.
1289093;1443657925;BingoBoingo;The hamplanetary lack of physical activity goes beyond lack of physical exercise to lack of ordinary human movement. i.e. using scooty puffs at the Walmart to navigate aisles instead of their own feet.
1289094;1443658058;BingoBoingo;It is the physical manifestation of the spiritual and intellectual poverty affecting the US and reddit generally
1289095;1443658331;Naphex;oh Hearn got banned from #b-dev
1289096;1443658367;asciilifeform;l0l!! what's it take to get booted from a leper colony !
1289097;1443658439;Naphex;jgarzik even tried too cry a river over it
1289098;1443658475;asciilifeform;link? (they have log, don't they..?)
1289099;1443658537;Naphex;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/29
1289100;1443658538;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1P6ceBe )
1289101;1443658740;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu what do you think of the notion of no longer relaying shitgnomatic tx-en - e.g., ANYTHING with 'soft fork' bits set, etc. ?
1289102;1443658740;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289103;1443658830;asciilifeform;this'd be the ultimate 'vote with nodes', aha
1289104;1443658851;asciilifeform;'use actual bitcoin or fuck off', roughly.
1289105;1443658859;phf;in philly i know a handful of "linebacker in college", who got "just a little bit out of shape", i.e. where former muscle if there was ever any all got turned into fat. that's people who are, when drunk, prone to challenging each other and me when i'm there to various acts of physical fitness, usually to fail miserably.
1289106;1443658944;phf;all die hard eagles fans of course
1289107;1443659103;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/29#l1443550863.0 << l0l! same 'linux foundation' mircea_popescu has a fatwa out against ?!
1289108;1443659105;assbot;BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1P6cMqP )
1289109;1443660282;BingoBoingo;phf: Linebackers tend to start out kinda fat already.
1289110;1443661320;VariaVarietatis;;;later tell pete_dushenski I'd be willing to help with the PR.
1289111;1443661321;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289112;1443662347;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289083 <<< dog or cat is not a sport nor competitive endeavour and given we no longer go out and hunt as a group, it's the next best thing for kids to learn how to follow a leader, work with others, learn from other men how to be masculine, physically and mentally challenge others
1289113;1443662347;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 23:52:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289073 << take up a dog or cat then - far better than footballer kid.
1289114;1443662371;cazalla;obviously doesn't have to be football, but if that's the american past time, then let them play football
1289115;1443662567;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289087 <<< what's this.. fat but fit, healthy at any weight meme? i think it more likely that a physically active person is not going to be a hamplanet.. obviously the lack of real food is a problem but only part of the problem
1289116;1443662567;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 23:54:38; asciilifeform: 'hamplanet' as i understand is a mark of rancid, unrepentant, irremediable... spiritual poverty - rather than lack of physical exercise as such
1289117;1443662670;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Many heavier people like Prince Fielder and linebackers are well exercised with some extra adipose tissue. Hamplanet chooses to utilize adipose tissue as a fortress for their spiritual poverty.
1289118;1443662819;cazalla;i guess it doesn't matter anyway as american kids are now trans gender fags so you would have difficulty filling a football team full of boys who actually want to pummel the other team
1289119;1443663030;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0RFBXMV.txt
1289120;1443663031;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O90T47 )
1289121;1443663031;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1289122;1443663236;btcdrak;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n18en/mike_hearn_banned_from_bitcoindev_sept29/
1289123;1443663238;assbot;Mike Hearn banned from #bitcoin-dev Sept/29 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHEo39 )
1289124;1443663251;btcdrak;That thread is hilarious
1289125;1443663268;btcdrak;looks like people are beginning to see past the veil...
1289126;1443663678;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1289127;1443663684;BingoBoingo;!up brg444
1289128;1443664080;brg444;huh, about linebackers, I was under the impression they are all pretty much physical specimen
1289129;1443664108;brg444;at least pro level linebackers are
1289130;1443664137;brg444;re:hearn forking himself off #b-dev : hilarious
1289131;1443664164;brg444;dude is about on the verge of claiming he's Satoshi
1289132;1443664182;BingoBoingo;brg444: Pro sure. College they tend to keep a little extra adipose weight on for the blocking potential
1289133;1443664205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00068403 = 11.7995 BTC [+]
1289134;1443664222;BingoBoingo;Then after college it often takes a couple years to get up to weight at a lean "pro" weight
1289135;1443664245;brg444;and typically don't have access to NFL level strength training
1289136;1443664304;BingoBoingo;Or the time. They can grow a lot of strength over the four years of college, but often they need more injury free time.
1289137;1443664358;brg444;Don't think this can be generalized
1289138;1443664367;brg444;lots of time they have to bulk up as well
1289139;1443664391;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1289140;1443664412;BingoBoingo;But bulking muscle takes years as opposed to weeks bulking adipose does.
1289141;1443664461;BingoBoingo;In the college games schools like Bama tend to horde the genetic freaks who can pack on pro-level muscle over the college career.
1289142;1443664487;brg444;was about to say: depends on the athlete indeed
1289143;1443664498;BingoBoingo;And LSU has a tendency to catch shorter genetic freaks that do the same, but due to height slot into running back
1289144;1443664514;phf;lsu?
1289145;1443664526;brg444;baton rouge
1289146;1443664549;phf;oh i see
1289147;1443664587;brg444;BingoBoingo: these days some of these kids come with pro level muscle in HS though :/
1289148;1443664654;BingoBoingo;Yes they do. Mizzou was luck to snag Terry Beckner Jr. this year. Giant from East Saint Louis. No need to redshirt him.
1289149;1443664655;brg444;see Fournette most recently
1289150;1443664656;brg444;freaky
1289151;1443664679;BingoBoingo;Fournette is... prolly getting the Heisman
1289152;1443664714;brg444;likely, thought Chubb would have a chance but at this point..
1289153;1443664773;BingoBoingo;Chubb is handicapped by playing for Georgia which is going to have 1 or 2 embarrassing losses as is Georgia tradition.
1289154;1443664882;brg444;he a sophomore too right?
1289155;1443664898;BingoBoingo;Maybe?
1289156;1443664954;BingoBoingo;When Mizzou plays Georgia this year I'm hoping we can just aim Beckner Jr. at him all game.
1289157;1443664998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00068351 = 22.4191 BTC [-] {3} 
1289158;1443665096;BingoBoingo;But at least fucking Mauk is suspended 1 game.
1289159;1443665156;brg444;What's up with the SEC though :D:D
1289160;1443665439;BingoBoingo;I dunno. West other than Arkansas and Auburn looking good. Prolly Ole Miss or LSU to win the conference. East as it usually is is a mystery until the last day of play.
1289161;1443665462;BingoBoingo;At least Mizzou swept its non-conference schedule
1289162;1443665592;BingoBoingo;In other news, state of the art in American Fast Food innovation "priority" seating http://imageham.com/images/2015/09/30/imageab1b4.jpg
1289163;1443665595;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiLPcb )
1289164;1443665721;brg444;I'm generally bored w/ football so far this season, most NFL teams are terrible
1289165;1443665738;brg444;don't see the need for these "priority"
1289166;1443665793;brg444;who'd shame themselves "dining" in at these places
1289167;1443665915;BingoBoingo;Hamplanets in their spiritual poverty.
1289168;1443665935;BingoBoingo;<brg444> I'm generally bored w/ football so far this season, most NFL teams are terrible << I hope the NFL leaves St Louis.
1289169;1443666218;brg444;the Hearnia is really sore, this is good
1289170;1443666265;BingoBoingo;lol
1289171;1443666295;brg444;of course he'd claim he fucking created SPV, wouldn't expect anything else of him
1289172;1443666333;BingoBoingo;The Hearnia can likely in this case be treated non-surgically with a Truss
1289173;1443666338;BingoBoingo;Old school style
1289174;1443666368;BingoBoingo;http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/inguinal-hernia/expert-answers/hernia-truss/faq-20058111
1289175;1443666370;assbot;Hernia truss: Can it help an inguinal hernia? - Mayo Clinic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vopeal )
1289176;1443666425;brg444;wouldn't help with the kick in the balls he's gonna continue to get until he dares no more to show his face
1289177;1443666503;brg444;i say we just be done with the whole area there. not that there'd be much to remove
1289178;1443666562;brg444;do away I should say*
1289179;1443666562;BingoBoingo;Well, he's prolly been kicked there to the point of torsion
1289180;1443667029;brg444;still amazes me someone out there can turn on/off nearly 100,000,000 GH/S with the flick of a wrist
1289181;1443667268;BingoBoingo;Not really.
1289182;1443667492;brg444;no?
1289183;1443667699;BingoBoingo;Not at all.
1289184;1443667712;BingoBoingo;Some miners have to pay for electricity.
1289185;1443667985;BingoBoingo;!up DreadKnight
1289186;1443667991;BingoBoingo;!up TomServo
1289187;1443668051;brg444;how is it that these variance seem coordinated by one or small group of actors? and if they do control that much hashing why would they have to pay for electricity
1289188;1443668070;brg444;or maybe I'm just reading too much into a couple of charts...
1289189;1443668187;BingoBoingo;Maybe reading too much. Maybe finding a trend.
1289190;1443668219;BingoBoingo;But generally except for a few lucky chinese miners, the farms have to pay for electricity
1289191;1443668300;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000169.html
1289192;1443668301;assbot;[BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1YPOq8V )
1289193;1443668349;brg444;do they really...? i'm often curious if it is not "subsidized"
1289194;1443668525;BingoBoingo;It maybe.
1289195;1443668527;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 ~Kelvin~ versioning
1289196;1443668528;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289197;1443669682;mod6;thx asciilifeform, i knew that didn't look right.
1289198;1443669689;mod6;:}
1289199;1443670059;BingoBoingo;http://tinyhousetalk.com/not-tiny-but-i-like-tiny-houses/
1289200;1443670061;assbot;I Like Tiny Houses But I'm Not Tiny, What Do I Do? ... ( http://bit.ly/1YPS2ru )
1289201;1443670137;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/09/30/2043255/legal-loophole-offers-volkswagen-criminal-immunity
1289202;1443670139;assbot;Legal Loophole Offers Volkswagen Criminal Immunity - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YPSczd )
1289203;1443670148;BingoBoingo;^ Looks like MP is right
1289204;1443670175;cazalla;deedbot- http://qntra.net/0915.txt
1289205;1443670175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1YPSje8 )
1289206;1443670177;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1289207;1443670177;deedbot-;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2015 Statement - http://qntra.net/2015/10/qntra-s-qntr-september-2015-statement/
1289208;1443670775;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
1289209;1443671010;tripleslash;hi kids
1289210;1443671025;BingoBoingo;Hai
1289211;1443671045;tripleslash;I should change my wot nick so I can auth
1289212;1443671075;BingoBoingo;Mebbe
1289213;1443671129;BingoBoingo;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/sports/catching-up-with-the-obannon-ruling-soon-to-go-into-effect.html?_r=0
1289214;1443671132;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1YPU7UA )
1289215;1443672696;ag3nt_zer0;hello out there....
1289216;1443672705;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmMkiTB_uE
1289217;1443672706;assbot;Triple Your Internet Speed for Free - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrCkhY )
1289218;1443672887;cazalla;meh, that kid is just copying some old video that did that shit a decade or longer ago
1289219;1443672914;cazalla;here ya go ag3nt_zer0, the original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY8Wi7XRXCA
1289220;1443672915;assbot;How to Increase Your Wi-Fi Signal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrCu8Q )
1289221;1443672929;ag3nt_zer0;hehe over 2 million views
1289222;1443672964;ag3nt_zer0;thanks for the original hah
1289223;1443673725;mats;https://i.imgur.com/jRkyNLq.jpg
1289224;1443673725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrCJ3N )
1289225;1443674299;BingoBoingo;Nice mats
1289226;1443674619;cazalla;aussie receipt!
1289227;1443680224;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Volkswagen takes aim at the insanity of statal overbearing. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/in-which-volkswagen-takes-aim-at-the-insanity-of-statal-overbearing/
1289228;1443681141;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski I got a comment in your que
1289229;1443681142;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289230;1443681290;BingoBoingo;And holy shit, Marco Rubio has passed Jed Bush as BitBet's favored candidate for the Repube'ican nomination through nothing but "No" votes to Jeb
1289231;1443681314;cazalla;none of them cunts can be the trump cause he be trumpin'
1289232;1443681334;cazalla;beat even
1289233;1443681381;BingoBoingo;Trumps has said he's been running for president since the 1990's. Everytime he's quit when the polls first put him behind. Trump is a serial quitter, gotta be with multiple bankruptcy's
1289234;1443681462;cazalla;he'll fit right in there
1289235;1443681463;cazalla;then
1289236;1443681497;BingoBoingo;Trump's also Hilary's BFF
1289237;1443681572;punkman;https://twitter.com/RealDaveEdwards/status/649471132068937728
1289238;1443681827;punkman;"Got an idea that could improve cyber security? Submit your idea here for a chance to win £10,000 https://www.cyber10k.trust/submit/" << I got one but I don't think it's gonna win. BURN IT ALL DOWN
1289239;1443681828;assbot;Bad Request ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMbAHq )
1289240;1443681835;mats;http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-afghanistan-attack-idUSKCN0RU07Y20151001
1289241;1443681836;assbot;Afghan forces say retake Kunduz, Taliban say battle ongoing| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMbAY1 )
1289242;1443681865;cazalla;BingoBoingo, aren't they all best buddies?
1289243;1443681909;mircea_popescu;lordy this "idea" circus.
1289244;1443681928;BingoBoingo;Some actually hate the rest of the crowd, like Rubio. He is better because everyone keeps calling him the spic even though Cruz is a spic too, but he's light/
1289245;1443681929;mircea_popescu;"how to make idiots preoccupied with our thing ? they no longer go for free giveaways" "ask to pay for their ideas"
1289246;1443681958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think nobody asked us, as of yet.
1289247;1443682013;BingoBoingo;And Bernie Sanders is just on a field trip from the "Memory Care" home (because Old Folks Home isn't PC)
1289248;1443682235;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-115496 people are SO FUCKING WEIRD
1289249;1443682236;assbot;Sa ne jucam de-a investitiile-n bitcoini. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJO7X1 )
1289250;1443682281;BingoBoingo;lol, prolly huffed too much ether
1289251;1443682363;mircea_popescu;http://sexysexandsuch.tumblr.com/post/126531653774/made-a-gifset-of-mermaids-on-molly-go-check# << isn't she fucking great ?
1289252;1443682365;assbot;SexySexNSuch Take II • Made a gifset of mermaids-on-molly ;) Go check... ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJOlgD )
1289253;1443682369;cazalla;or that's the page that was displayed when he/she visited and figuring a comment field was available, took a turd there?
1289254;1443682381;mircea_popescu;attitude! it's all in the attitude!
1289255;1443682400;mircea_popescu;cazalla no, because trilema random rotation no longer displays romanian articles.
1289256;1443682435;cazalla;ah that's right
1289257;1443682440;mircea_popescu;for about a year or so now. so that thing could never have popped out by just going to root. and i doubt he could have had a google string that led to it, seeing how you know, my romanian is like triplesec.
1289258;1443682490;cazalla;if memory serves, it was me that complained about that scam
1289259;1443682519;mircea_popescu;which ?
1289260;1443682541;cazalla;buy 10k credits, get 9,999 romanian articles upon loading
1289261;1443682565;mircea_popescu;ah. you did yeah but actually lots of other ppl did too. eventually i was like... lazy won't solvethis one.
1289262;1443682588;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> cazalla no, because trilema random rotation no longer displays romanian articles. << This was the exact moment that lead me to stop trying to get better at Romanian
1289263;1443682607;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1289264;1443682629;mircea_popescu;that's ok, a man your age can survive without fucking hotties just as well.
1289265;1443682635;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ah. you did yeah but actually lots of other ppl did too. eventually i was like... lazy won't solvethis one. << /me pretty sure he suggested letting the number of English articles catch up as a solution
1289266;1443682673;mircea_popescu;yeah but the bitch is, i'm all stately and portentuous nao. back in romania i used to write about any old random shit nine times a day.
1289267;1443682677;mircea_popescu;now i do that here.
1289268;1443682704;BingoBoingo;You still do movie reviews and random bitchings about Argentina on the Blawg
1289269;1443682706;mircea_popescu;i think #b-a eats at least a dozen buds that'd have been trilema articles. but i just vent here and thassat.
1289270;1443682735;mircea_popescu;well yeah, cuz longer and less... aggitated.
1289271;1443682749;BingoBoingo;And lets not forget that mess that will occur when you move the blog to either Mandarin or Khoisan 'click 'click language
1289272;1443682767;mircea_popescu;i suppose kakobrekla actually made microblogging poison just for me! i see them in the log, miniarticles, good enough.
1289273;1443682783;mircea_popescu;lol khoisan.
1289274;1443682806;mircea_popescu;but yes, some sort of classical chinese is not even impossible for the future. especially if i can get good at it by being lazy.
1289275;1443682810;mircea_popescu;imagine, chinese without diacritics!
1289276;1443682816;BingoBoingo;lol
1289277;1443682829;mircea_popescu;"you are supposed to know what little dots go where!!1"
1289278;1443682839;mircea_popescu;FROM THE CONTEXT!11
1289279;1443682940;BingoBoingo;The English could have benefited from diacritics, but now it is too late
1289280;1443682992;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic for my curiosity, was sedition ever been successfully prosecuted in canada? it'd appear it actually helped rather than hindered that houde character, and that was back in the murky days of ww2.
1289281;1443683043;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289043 << is this supposed to be some sort of wot vaccine or something ?
1289282;1443683043;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 21:36:04; phf: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/
1289283;1443683043;cazalla;fixed http://i.imgur.com/1i4agKy.png
1289284;1443683044;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMddoA )
1289285;1443683064;mircea_popescu;bwahahah
1289286;1443683113;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289043 << is this supposed to be some sort of wot vaccine or something ? << Nah it is more like linked in for the Food service se
1289287;1443683113;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 21:36:04; phf: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/
1289288;1443683115;BingoBoingo;t
1289289;1443683146;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289053 << finally, the true vocation of the von neumann machine is exposed! SIGNAL PROCESSING BEOTCH!11
1289290;1443683146;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 21:48:16; trinque: it seems that ply parsers are one-shot, or I've missed something. So far my observation is that if you call parse successively on the same parser object, it misbehaves
1289291;1443683223;mircea_popescu;"We can only take so much mediocrity, Gary."
1289292;1443683231;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha o lawd have mewcyes!
1289293;1443683243;mircea_popescu;WE can only take so much mediocrity ? andwhere are they taking it to ?
1289294;1443683267;mircea_popescu;clearly they got a full load, there's no disputing that. but where are they going with it ?
1289295;1443683283;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ahahahaha o lawd have mewcyes! << Is that a Carolina accent?
1289296;1443683300;mircea_popescu;i'm workin on it.
1289297;1443683371;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1289075 << actually that's pretty cool.
1289298;1443683371;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 22:32:33; mats: skywing (ken johnson, guy that patented 'aslr') reversed the battle.net login protocol, and i used his documentation to write a chat client so i didn't have to keep starcraft open to maintain ops in a channel
1289299;1443683471;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: The Fils de Liberte were likely guilty of it. I don't know if they were actually charged. Yes, a pile of people have been charged, and convicted, of sedition in Canada. Interesting semi-related factoid. de Gaulle when he gave his famous (in Canada) speech "vive le Quebec! vive le Quebec LIBRE!" and the camera cuts to uproariously jubilant crowd, that's an edit by a separatiste
1289300;1443683477;midnightmagic; who was in control of the footage. In reality, it was dead silent. The crowd was shocked. The fellow you're describing (presumably because he's the only uncited reference in Wikipedia) would not at all be surprising to me. At that time, Quebecois anti-Canada sentiment was *extremely radicalized*.
1289301;1443683484;BingoBoingo;Eve online would have been vastly improved with Ops wars for system channe;s
1289302;1443683531;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic names from that pile ?
1289303;1443683575;mircea_popescu;(not sure how one'd go about verifyingthat bit of historical revisionism re de gaulle's visit, but then again...(
1289304;1443683588;midnightmagic;sure. I'll give two at least just on cursory examination: Oscar Felton in Alberta. There was some commentary about the Lusitania in R v. Trainor.
1289305;1443683620;mats;BingoBoingo: 'clan wars' were a popular thing for a long time on battle.net
1289306;1443683628;midnightmagic;It's not revisionism: historical documents and eyewitnesses were pretty clear on it. Additionally, the footage doesn't match.
1289307;1443683640;mats;folks would pwn kids with backdoors chat clients
1289308;1443683654;mircea_popescu;a ok, maybe im just unfamiliar with the thing then. to me it's a you know, "point of history".
1289309;1443683655;BingoBoingo;Interesting mats
1289310;1443683658;mats;and then use their product cdkeys and proxies to operate flood bots
1289311;1443683690;mats;filling enemy clan channels to the user limit and spamming the channel
1289312;1443683704;BingoBoingo;Absolute worst part of Eve online though was the space 5-0 cramping everyone's style
1289313;1443683721;mats;backdoored*
1289314;1443683753;midnightmagic;I'm sorry, I'm mixing up groups. Not Fils de Liberte. I meant le Front de Liberation de Quebec.
1289315;1443683779;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic no but these are british ridiculousnesses from ww2. i mean an example from your actual lifetime.
1289316;1443683798;BingoBoingo;I mean seriously what fun is a space sim, when you play a space negro and space Darren wilson is always cramping your style
1289317;1443683799;mircea_popescu;otherwise sure, canadian officers used to convict local women to being raped to death or whatever 1720 nonsense.
1289318;1443683818;midnightmagic;Oh. Okay. That might take a while longer. History texts usually don't include the last few decades.
1289319;1443683856;midnightmagic;RCMP currently (as recently as a few years ago) would take drunk people out in the dead of winter and leave them on the side of the road to freeze to death.
1289320;1443683860;mircea_popescu;the last five decades, even!
1289321;1443683871;midnightmagic;:-) FLQ is 1970s
1289322;1443683899;mircea_popescu;wasn't that a fucking paramilitary group ?
1289323;1443683907;mircea_popescu;as in, what the usians know as "terrorists" ?
1289324;1443683936;mircea_popescu;(in the eyes of the soviet union, no less.)
1289325;1443683966;midnightmagic;Yes, and explcitly-named anti-terrorist units were created and employed to erode it and dissolve its public support.
1289326;1443684012;midnightmagic;But their *intent* was insurrection and sedition, if one accepts as premise that Quebec's separation from Canada by force of arms is seditionist to begin with.
1289327;1443684062;mircea_popescu;well unless you're also stockpiling tanks and depth charges on the quiet, i fail to see how any of this can in any manner no matter how creatively constructive be of any interest to you. yes, rather obviously if you start shooting people and blowing up things you'd better succeed because else you'll be put in prison.
1289328;1443684158;midnightmagic;Interest to me, personally?
1289329;1443684203;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999266 << believe it or not that actually made me send someone to read through canadian precedent and report.
1289330;1443684203;assbot;Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
1289331;1443684222;mircea_popescu;because who the fuck knows just how weird things are.
1289332;1443684310;midnightmagic;Ah. That was a statement I *would* use to deny seditionist conspiracy charges because I don't want to leave here, but would direly hate to find some enterprising law enforcement investigator pinning a false narrative on me because by not speaking, it could be argued I am tacitly agreeing and/or sympathetic to it, which would in my view be enough to pin conspiracy on me.
1289333;1443684357;cazalla;seeing you're one of few to mention such fears, i think you are planning something midnightmagic
1289334;1443684364;midnightmagic;lol
1289335;1443684364;mircea_popescu;lol poor guy.
1289336;1443684380;mircea_popescu;i just think he's the introvert thinker type that never actually spent much time interacting with actual courts.
1289337;1443684431;midnightmagic;It is not a fear. I'm not afraid of bashing such nonsense straight out of court, personally. But since when has that stopped anyone from trying to earn their paycheque? As is well-known, the FBI appears to be responsible for most of the terror plots it claims it foiled.
1289338;1443684459;mircea_popescu;yeah. and as we all know, asking a cop if he's a cop obliges him to confess or else it's entrapment!
1289339;1443684482;midnightmagic;Also, it's not true that I've not interacted with courts. I've been interacting with courts, and making precedent, for decades.
1289340;1443684492;midnightmagic;Well. Helping.
1289341;1443684504;mircea_popescu;"your honor, i direct your attention to page 792,paragraph H of tome 9 of the conspiracy to overthrow the world over! as you can clearly see, it says right there i disagree with things and stuff."
1289342;1443684520;mircea_popescu;"o right. case dismiss. mr crown agent how can you be this fucking careless, i'll have to see you in my chambers robe!"
1289343;1443684535;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic a, really ? anything good ?
1289344;1443684588;midnightmagic;Completely boring contract law. We did end up destroying a multi-million dollar railroad company. That was nice.
1289345;1443684651;mircea_popescu;eh, due to the complete lack of inflation the past few decades, a multi-million dollar railroad car.
1289346;1443684664;mircea_popescu;[you have things such as]
1289347;1443684664;midnightmagic;The contract they were trying to sue us under was held invalid by the British Columbia Court of Appeals because they didn't have the right to lease the premises of an unabandoned railway depot for other purposes.
1289348;1443684696;mircea_popescu;o.O
1289349;1443684705;mircea_popescu;ehehehe cool.
1289350;1443684765;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289095 << heh.
1289351;1443684765;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 00:12:11; Naphex: oh Hearn got banned from #b-dev
1289352;1443684808;midnightmagic;And unfortunately, once you get the attention of an educated couple of families with nothing better to do with its time in the far north than make a hobby out of reading lawbooks, it didn't stop with the court case.
1289353;1443684842;midnightmagic;(Unfortunately for us, I mean. It was a horrible waste of time, regardless of the appearance of winning. Over. And over.)
1289354;1443684850;mircea_popescu;aha.
1289355;1443684858;mircea_popescu;which strangely goes with what i was going to say,
1289356;1443684881;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289105 << the problem is that the fate of all disused muscle is to turn into fat. that's how the body is designed, just like pasture turns to suburbia.
1289357;1443684881;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 00:20:59; phf: in philly i know a handful of "linebacker in college", who got "just a little bit out of shape", i.e. where former muscle if there was ever any all got turned into fat. that's people who are, when drunk, prone to challenging each other and me when i'm there to various acts of physical fitness, usually to fail miserably.
1289358;1443684900;mircea_popescu;so you're very well advised to think long and hard before tricking your body into building muscles. will i actually use these forever ?
1289359;1443684933;mircea_popescu;because if you aren't going to actually use these forever, shut up and sit down.
1289360;1443685015;cazalla;so i guess all these ham planets were bigger than ronnie coleman at some point or what?
1289361;1443685055;mircea_popescu;ah, implication works one way. mississippi ends up in the ocean, not all ocean came from mississippi.
1289362;1443685071;mircea_popescu;to stick to planetary size.
1289363;1443685106;cazalla;muscle turns to fat is right in line with women don't wanna lift because they'll get too big, least is my experience hearing similar stories from people
1289364;1443685126;cazalla;ya got fat cause ya ate too much and sat too much, not cause ate too much and lift too much, everybody wanna be big, nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight
1289365;1443685151;cazalla;beefcake!
1289366;1443685173;mircea_popescu;i actually don't let teh womenz lift lest they get too big.
1289367;1443685207;mircea_popescu;you sayin' bollocks to that ?!?!?!
1289368;1443685211;cazalla;unless they're eating dianabols for breaky, how is that gunna happen though?
1289369;1443685246;mircea_popescu;i like woman thighs. i dun like lifter thigs and i sure as hell dun wanna fuck any lifter thighs.
1289370;1443685275;cazalla;yeah, but that takes years of dedication, even more for a woman, even more for a woman not juicing
1289371;1443685306;cazalla;or is simply the case that she might hit back harder? :P
1289372;1443685330;mircea_popescu;oh, no, they can all kick better than i can lol.
1289373;1443685366;mircea_popescu;but you have a point, it's not like, two weeks!!1 sorta thing. and im not very hardline about it either.
1289374;1443685464;mircea_popescu;(pisses them the shit off, the "even more for a woman" part. i got some reasonable biceps, nothing athletic, just, healthy male human sort of thing. and well... woman can't get it. six months later, gained 1/4 inch, i never work out, cue the ragenvy)
1289375;1443685597;cazalla;sleep, lift, eat a whole chicken, sleep, lift, eat a whole chicken.. even for a guy it gets old, women at zero risk of being beefcaked from lifting, never saw a woman in the gym i ever thought needed to stop squatting
1289376;1443685620;BingoBoingo;Squats are the women's lift. Builds dat ass
1289377;1443685628;mircea_popescu;^
1289378;1443685672;cazalla;still, would recommend functional strength over gym for gym sake
1289379;1443685685;cazalla;fucked shoulder, fucked knee, fucked neck, fucked back
1289380;1443685716;cazalla;and not like i ever got in there trying to swing as much weight up as possible using momentum etc
1289381;1443685739;mircea_popescu;aha
1289382;1443685755;mircea_popescu;competitive spirit is strangely disadvantageous for sportive lifestyle.
1289383;1443685761;BingoBoingo;^
1289384;1443685779;cazalla;dem nigger jail work outs would've been better in hindsight.. own weight
1289385;1443685786;mircea_popescu;aha.
1289386;1443685800;*;mircea_popescu is a fan. minimalism ever so rarely fails.
1289387;1443685826;BingoBoingo;Best examples I can think of for that come from baseball. No single movement is too strenuous, but the elite players all get crippling over use injuries that will knock them out of the game for a year at a time
1289388;1443685869;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> dem nigger jail work outs would've been better in hindsight.. own weight << Best to practice moving one's own bodyweight. Gotta be selfish like that.
1289389;1443685972;mircea_popescu;cazalla besides, i thought it was cans of tuna.
1289390;1443686041;BingoBoingo;The crossfit/Rhabdo thing is the perfect warning for taking even "functional" movements too far
1289391;1443686214;mircea_popescu;anywya, to get back to the original thing. there are two components to being a hamplanet. one is the heavy calorie intake in a very poorly balance diet. lacking sufficient long tail nutrients, the body finds itself stuck and unable to handle the food intake, much like a builder that gets fifty barges of bricks but no mortar, no rebar, no nothing can't really make houses, just brickpiles.
1289392;1443686239;mircea_popescu;the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
1289393;1443686241;BingoBoingo;The crossfit thing is a cult where they celebrate initiates puking in the gym like college freshmen at a frat party and exalt the old hands working their muscles until the break down to the point of killing their kidneys
1289394;1443686254;mircea_popescu;the excretion happens through skin, urine etc. but in all these avenues it is fixed and limited.
1289395;1443686262;mircea_popescu;for many toxins it is limited to truly tiny amounts.
1289396;1443686280;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the intake is not limited by anythning but the size of the throat and one's patience to keep shoving things down it.
1289397;1443686302;mircea_popescu;since fat burial is not in the same sense limited, people get what's known as "unloseable weight".
1289398;1443686322;mircea_popescu;the reason that fat doesn't go away is that the liver knows what's in it, and doesn't feel itself equal to the task of opening that nuclear casket.
1289399;1443686349;BingoBoingo;The hamplanet problem isn't helped by calorie depots offering scooty puffs so a planet need only walk from their car into the store, to restock on calories
1289400;1443686383;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i srslyhave yet to see a problem that can be fixed by authoritarian approach in people other than children and slaves.
1289401;1443686405;mircea_popescu;if their brain forces them to worship you, like child brain does, or if they willingly worship you, like slave does, then yes you can order them into anything.
1289402;1443686411;BingoBoingo;Oh authoritarianism doesn' help this.
1289403;1443686416;mircea_popescu;but not giving scooters to fat people won't help them be less fat.
1289404;1443686487;*;BingoBoingo not so sure. I mean the offering of the scooters was an incentive.
1289405;1443686518;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1289406;1443686539;mircea_popescu;thisentire incentive thing... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-09-2015#1282889
1289407;1443686539;assbot;Logged on 22-09-2015 22:07:44; mircea_popescu: "really ? make them sit on a pineapple."
1289408;1443686549;BingoBoingo;You'd be surprised the way Americattle latch onto incentives
1289409;1443686559;BingoBoingo;;;google credit card interest deduction
1289410;1443686559;gribble;Can I Write Off Credit Card Interest on My Taxes? - TurboTax Tax ...: <https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Tax-Deductions-and-Credits/Can-I-Write-Off-Credit-Card-Interest-on-My-Taxes--/INF14239.html>; Is Interest on Credit Cards Tax Deductible? - TurboTax Tax Tips ...: <https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Tax-Deductions-and-Credits/Is-Interest-on-Credit-Cards- (1 more message)
1289411;1443686569;BingoBoingo;^ Used to be a thing
1289412;1443686577;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1289413;1443686626;BingoBoingo;Ended in 1988, huge amount of bitching because people would spend so much on credit for the deduction.
1289414;1443686635;mircea_popescu;anyway, what i was going to say : the being active thing helps, in people with sane problems, in no large part because it exercises the glucide -> protein pathways.
1289415;1443686684;mircea_popescu;but a) those are limited ; b) muscular activity doesn't magically turn oxalate-whatever into glucose and water ; c) in plenty of cases the fixed requirements of muscles actually further deplete already depleted stores of various nutrients.
1289416;1443686698;mircea_popescu;which is the biological reason why fat people are uninclined to be active.
1289417;1443686709;cazalla;mircea_popescu, nah, local supermarket use to do roast chickens for $2 at the end of the day
1289418;1443686710;mircea_popescu;just like the woman with a cunt infection is "uninclined to be sexy".
1289419;1443686765;mircea_popescu;this is no excuse, of course, you gotta restock and insist. but people who dunno this dunno what they need to do, either.
1289420;1443686812;mircea_popescu;how many "lifechanging diets" actually work ? and how many actually go "vitamins and micronutrients, and some reasonable exercise" ? and what's the overlap between these two classes ?
1289421;1443686817;BingoBoingo;Well, then past BMI 45 when you get into super morbid obesity, or death fat territory you get skeletal distortion
1289422;1443686868;mircea_popescu;"oh, our new fad diet is to only eat old car seats!!1 IT WORKS!!1". yeah, in the 1.7% of the population whose sticking point at that time happened to be a lack of X, which X is abundant in used car seats, it "helps", until the metabolism gets wedged into something else.
1289423;1443686874;mircea_popescu;at which point other fad "helps" and so on.
1289424;1443686920;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you familiar with the fact that if one is starved for long enough, eventually one appears alive and can move but WILL die of starvation and can't eat ?
1289425;1443686931;BingoBoingo;Sure
1289426;1443686939;mircea_popescu;because the protein construction machines are made of proteins, and those proteins have been digested.
1289427;1443686958;mircea_popescu;well. same thing with fat : after bmi 40ish or so it is rather impossible for the body to recover on its own.
1289428;1443686985;BingoBoingo;It's the opposite of how in cancer the problem is the cancer is in every way healthier than the surrounding tissue
1289429;1443686996;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1289430;1443687089;BingoBoingo;That and the normal stomach has so many folds that it can stretch and grow to accomodate several basketballs of volume in the galaxy sized and in unfortunate bezoar cases
1289431;1443687138;punkman;https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230744 < http://www3.blogs.rollcall.com/218/congressman-expand-obamacare-to-undocumented/
1289432;1443687141;assbot;If You Think Health Insurance Increases Are Personal Only... in [Market-Ticker] ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrJZg8 )
1289433;1443687142;assbot;Congressman: Expand Health Care to Undocumented ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrJZga )
1289434;1443687147;BingoBoingo;It's why the surgeries work so long as the patient give the nervous system time to sync to the corrected stomach size.
1289435;1443687154;mircea_popescu;actually the problem of the morbidly obese is exactly like the problem of the society that spawned them. balooning debt, which is eagerly soaked up by unproductive/rent seeking parts ; however any cuts of income hit the productive parts first.
1289436;1443687163;mircea_popescu;this situation is unbound and will result in failure.
1289437;1443687182;BingoBoingo;There's always biodiesel
1289438;1443687194;BingoBoingo;Preferable in a VW
1289439;1443687198;mircea_popescu;lol
1289440;1443687217;BingoBoingo;Sever morbid obesity has extreme cognitive costs.
1289441;1443687437;mircea_popescu;but this is what informs my entire "male, female and fatstupid - three humangenders."
1289442;1443687451;BingoBoingo;THe body can carry a hefty amount of surplus around without ill effect, but the brain is also largely supported by kinds of fatty tissue and responds poorly to the wrong kind of fat incursing.
1289443;1443687457;mircea_popescu;it is in fact the case that after a certain limit they;re lost for humanity.
1289444;1443687467;BingoBoingo;Third gender is properly called "mayogendered"
1289445;1443687535;mircea_popescu;what was the eskimo for "old people headed for a walk on the ice sheet" ?
1289446;1443687552;BingoBoingo;Aloha Snackbar?
1289447;1443687557;mircea_popescu;lmao
1289448;1443687558;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1289449;1443687574;mircea_popescu;anyway. or to get back to jamaica, there is zombie. but kindaoverused.
1289450;1443687589;BingoBoingo;Ah
1289451;1443687599;*;cazalla watching enter the dragon.. wondering how asians went from so cool that black people wanted to be bruce lee to being total betas
1289452;1443687635;BingoBoingo;* cazalla watching enter the dragon.. wondering how asians went from so cool that black people wanted to be bruce lee to being total betas << Asians were always super beta, bruce lee was the rare exception
1289453;1443687645;cazalla;thought i'd show my son but still  abit too young at 20 months to be jumping aroind karating his mother
1289454;1443687655;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1289455;1443687656;punkman;cazalla: lol
1289456;1443687703;BingoBoingo;Better to start him with Rambo's First Blood Part one, so he knows the consquences of being violent for the USG first
1289457;1443687724;cazalla;BingoBoingo, already in the list of films for him to watch
1289458;1443687747;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know i wonder about that too  ?!
1289459;1443687763;mircea_popescu;incredible fucking shift, the azn man is today approximately the gay man of 1950.
1289460;1443687780;BingoBoingo;Worse, the gay man of 1950 could still rot
1289461;1443687783;BingoBoingo;*riot
1289462;1443687786;mircea_popescu;in the public imagination, it's this derp whom you'd be unkind to pick a fight with
1289463;1443687879;mircea_popescu;for all the public exercises in verbal nonracism, one needs but examine how the asian man looks in english, since the coolie and laundry man of 1815 san francisco, to the waspy, evil conniving gook of the war to today's strange.
1289464;1443687934;BingoBoingo;today's strange hairless, yet neckbearded eunuch
1289465;1443687960;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289125 << more like a "let's save gavin by burning the mike asset to all hell" ploy. it's... well it's not gonna work, but hey, they gotta try because they gotta paycheck
1289466;1443687960;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 01:34:28; btcdrak: looks like people are beginning to see past the veil...
1289467;1443688009;BingoBoingo;It's alright After they burn mike and gavin they'll go to Agent J
1289468;1443688009;mircea_popescu;(in case anyone's wondering why mp cannons have throughout and strictly been pointed on gavin - yes, this is why).
1289469;1443688040;BingoBoingo;Or they burn agent J as the next Gavin fork crutch
1289470;1443688057;punkman;BingoBoingo: who's J?
1289471;1443688068;BingoBoingo;punkman: End in eff
1289472;1443688088;BingoBoingo;Last name starts with the first letter in Gavin
1289473;1443688089;punkman;interlude http://whoreeecrux.tumblr.com/post/119361843692/a-boy-did-nice-things-to-my-body-came-all-over-my
1289474;1443688090;assbot;A boy did nice things to my body, came all over my... - the quiet terror of being alive | whoreeecrux ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrKYgm )
1289475;1443688148;BingoBoingo;Agent J has recently been intensifying his "move along" "Mike was right but an asshole" "let's do the change differently" deal
1289476;1443688162;BingoBoingo;Has he even launched his scam satellites yet?
1289477;1443688167;mircea_popescu;she does look cute.
1289478;1443688174;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nrskr09N2u1tsn8x4o2_500.gif
1289479;1443688175;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrL4EB )
1289480;1443688198;mircea_popescu;the jeans and dress heels combo. this is what it's all about.
1289481;1443688231;BingoBoingo;She obviously did her squats for that booty
1289482;1443688255;cazalla;bit too skinny imo
1289483;1443688261;punkman;http://whoreeecrux.tumblr.com/post/120693211662/packing-the-essentials
1289484;1443688262;assbot;Packing the essentials - the quiet terror of being alive | whoreeecrux ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrL7k2 )
1289485;1443688263;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/b11c800817436cddf1028055a07d3635/tumblr_nvgx9xPeRA1rbsxuao1_1280.jpg << watch the guy die next week acciedentally and her sorry ass be nicole smith'd
1289486;1443688264;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrL9rW )
1289487;1443688305;mircea_popescu;ahaha she;s one of THOSE eh punkman ?
1289488;1443688324;punkman;"Really need to suck some dick right now. All I’ve thought about for days  is cock. My body literally shakes when I think about it. Is this how  addicts feel when they’re in withdrawal?"
1289489;1443688375;punkman;there ya go cazalla
1289490;1443688390;mircea_popescu;protein ?
1289491;1443688407;cazalla;punkman, i'm in melbourne, she's from sydney
1289492;1443688468;cazalla;probably would've driven the 10 hours at 18, but at 33, she is gonna have to drive here or i cbf
1289493;1443688469;btcdrak;Maybe mike will feel better now folks are mining XT blocks again, a whopping 6 in 4 days!
1289494;1443688472;punkman;cazalla: perhaps nota problem, http://whoreeecrux.tumblr.com/post/120896525702/cum-on-me-in-melbourne
1289495;1443688473;assbot;Cum on me in Melbourne 😘 - the quiet terror of being alive | whoreeecrux ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrLk6J )
1289496;1443688505;cazalla;not my type anyway punkman
1289497;1443688529;mircea_popescu;you had a type ?
1289498;1443688539;cazalla;bitch has crusty ass lips, someone get her some lip balm
1289499;1443688550;cazalla;mircea_popescu, doesn't everyone?
1289500;1443688560;mircea_popescu;i've never before seen an adult wearing those retarded plastic "tattoo" things.
1289501;1443688570;mircea_popescu;i thought it was strictly a thing for 15yo girls to laugh at.
1289502;1443688623;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Awfully common in the angloshpere
1289503;1443688762;mircea_popescu;here's an idea for a tumblr : take a chick to random toliets, fuck her, polaroid a scene, leave it affixed to the wall with some email on it, publish the emails you get.
1289504;1443688778;mircea_popescu;art project!
1289505;1443688789;punkman;great idea
1289506;1443688829;cazalla;as if the first person that happens across the photo is not gonna take it though
1289507;1443688841;cazalla;and i won't even shit/piss in a public toilet let alone fuck
1289508;1443688856;mircea_popescu;dude... if you think 9/10 people would even remotely touch something with sex in it that's in a publicrestroom...
1289509;1443688882;punkman;I think they'd rather take a photo of the polaroid
1289510;1443688903;mircea_popescu;wait... you won't... piss ?! as the anonymous guy said to the great tom green, "you should look into that. that could turn into a debilitating condition."
1289511;1443688909;mircea_popescu;punkman defo.
1289512;1443688940;punkman;well it does suck when there are puddles of piss all around the toilet
1289513;1443688943;mircea_popescu;as proven by the fact that when i take a nude chick out, whether i fuck her or not, other dudes (the few who don't try to ignore) MIGHT try to photograph but sure as well won't try to fuck her too.
1289514;1443688946;BingoBoingo;A true hero for the people, record holder for contempt of court incarceration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Beatty_Chadwick
1289515;1443688947;assbot;H. Beatty Chadwick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vp5jYZ )
1289516;1443689010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. landmark case for judge ruling us prison time lost its coercitive effect.
1289517;1443689015;mircea_popescu;was a decade ago, too.
1289518;1443689055;cazalla;punkman has it
1289519;1443689063;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Best part in my digging is that people held in 'civil" or normal contempt of court don't have to be listed as inmates, and aren't on the federal level
1289520;1443689091;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289162 <<< dude what the fuck is that stupid shit.
1289521;1443689091;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 02:13:12; BingoBoingo: In other news, state of the art in American Fast Food innovation "priority" seating http://imageham.com/images/2015/09/30/imageab1b4.jpg
1289522;1443689094;cazalla;better to piss on a tree or something than some stale urine smelling piss wall
1289523;1443689108;mircea_popescu;obesity is not to be sociallly tolerated, and sure as fuck not supported on tax money what the everloving fuck.
1289524;1443689122;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is a bench people can sit on waiting in line at a fast food place.
1289525;1443689131;BingoBoingo;Fron wikipedo: The United States Marshals Service is the agency component that first holds all federal prisoners. It uses the Prisoner Population Management System /Prisoner Tracking System. The only types of records that are disclosed as being in the system are those of "federal prisoners who are in custody pending criminal proceedings." The records of "alleged civil contempors" are not listed in the Federal Register as being in
1289526;1443689131;BingoBoingo;the system leading to a potential claim for damages under The Privacy Act, 5 U.S.C. � 552a(e)(4)(I).[20]
1289527;1443689169;mircea_popescu;cazalla sait pas q faire dinette signifie alors?
1289528;1443689193;cazalla;you know i can't read that, least not without le google
1289529;1443689197;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> obesity is not to be sociallly tolerated, and sure as fuck not supported on tax money what the everloving fuck. << Not on tax money. Private business is accomodating the Obesity.
1289530;1443689206;mircea_popescu;;;google faire dinette
1289531;1443689206;gribble;Chair Fair: Visit our stores, over 300 stools and chairs on display!: <http://www.chairfair.com/>; Dodo Dinette, dodo dino, ma petite poulette, va faire dodo - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyLMAWD46g>; Faire des frites en feutrine pour une dînette - Fabriquer nourriture ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4cbsj1KF_w>
1289532;1443689213;punkman;http://imageham.com/images/2015/09/30/imageab1b4.jpg << is that like a tissue between her tits?
1289533;1443689216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiLPcb )
1289534;1443689216;mircea_popescu;tsk. google you useless bastard.
1289535;1443689243;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://24heuresactu.com/2012/01/08/les-soupeurs-sexe-et-urine-une-tradition-qui-se-perd/ there.
1289536;1443689243;assbot;Les soupeurs : sexe et urine, une tradition qui se perd | 24heuresactu.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vp5Pq2 )
1289537;1443689264;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess im not eating there then!
1289538;1443689272;mircea_popescu;o wait... i wasn;t going to anyway ? mmkay, carry on!
1289539;1443689287;cazalla;sounds like a lemon party
1289540;1443689314;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o wait... i wasn;t going to anyway ? mmkay, carry on! << You would be missing little
1289541;1443689324;mircea_popescu;at it's core, it is the practice of leaving some bread in an urinal to be retrieved later.
1289542;1443689332;cazalla;"..who find pleasure in eating food soaked in urine of others, including bread voluntarily abandoned in public urinals.." that is fucking filthy
1289543;1443689350;mircea_popescu;lol
1289544;1443689364;mircea_popescu;it's just pee!
1289545;1443689401;cazalla;faggot bear grylls mode or something
1289546;1443689409;mircea_popescu;you never use the missus to clean up rather than toilet paper after taking a piss ?
1289547;1443689438;cazalla;i can't say i've ever had the idea
1289548;1443689452;mircea_popescu;well thisis what bais for! libel, sedition and new ideas.
1289549;1443689523;mircea_popescu;well... "new".
1289550;1443689529;mircea_popescu;slighty preowned.
1289551;1443689530;cazalla;quite content with the standard jizz on tits method
1289552;1443689569;mircea_popescu;you're a burden to innovation in this space!
1289553;1443689584;mircea_popescu;people in africa don't have any jizz, what do you say to that!
1289554;1443689612;cazalla;why would i care one way or the other?
1289555;1443689628;cazalla;gee do you even lift mircea_popescu ?
1289556;1443689631;mircea_popescu;if this keeps up ima have to fork the pisschain.
1289557;1443689633;mircea_popescu;pissxt!
1289558;1443689667;mircea_popescu;cazalla if you read Manneken Pis' yellow paper more carefully,
1289559;1443689675;mircea_popescu;you'd see he clearly says it's intended to be eventually drunk!
1289560;1443689697;BingoBoingo;https://slimgur.com/images/2015/07/13/175a7d784ab96ee33481465b890e9402.md.jpg
1289561;1443689701;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VrMizI )
1289562;1443689840;mircea_popescu;eh bs, current democratic party freed no one, also didn't exist.
1289563;1443689854;mircea_popescu;current republican party (democrat at the time) "freed" slaves, such as it were.
1289564;1443689856;davout;mircea_popescu: francia es un pais rico de patrimonio gustativo
1289565;1443689863;mircea_popescu;muy muy!
1289566;1443689886;mircea_popescu;im tryin' to get the good word over to the aussies, they eat nothing but sheila and tarantula pate over there.
1289567;1443689889;cazalla;mircea_popescu, ya know i was gonna say i'd melt that fucking thing down but.. wikipedia "The figure has been repeatedly stolen:"
1289568;1443689906;mircea_popescu;why'd you melt it down ?
1289569;1443689967;cazalla;no better than a fucking big mouth billy bass
1289570;1443690011;mircea_popescu;well no, this one's quiet.
1289571;1443690030;davout;vegemite... god forbid you confuse it for nutella
1289572;1443690051;mircea_popescu;you know murican chicks have no idea what nutella is ?
1289573;1443690065;mircea_popescu;they got hershey syrup over there. shit's revolting.
1289574;1443690108;mircea_popescu;(ftr : nutella is not chocolate. it is pasta de avellanas!)
1289575;1443690153;cazalla;vegemite puts hair on ya balls fwiw
1289576;1443690244;davout;I wouldn't be surprised if it actually tasted like hair from ya balls
1289577;1443690257;cazalla;well, it is salty so prob tastes the same too
1289578;1443690278;*;mircea_popescu actualy eats wet yeast now and again.
1289579;1443690283;mircea_popescu;not crazy about the oz thing tho
1289580;1443690297;cazalla;ya gotta soak ya toast in butter and then cake on an inch thick of vegemite
1289581;1443690306;mircea_popescu;davout but it's basically cenovis, which i imagine you had ?
1289582;1443690321;cazalla;then for whatever reasons, you cheeks flush
1289583;1443690345;davout;nevar
1289584;1443690367;davout;wikipedia informs me its swiss
1289585;1443690532;mircea_popescu;i guess thissort of thing is more popular in the east than the west
1289586;1443690651;cazalla;anyway kraft owns vegemite last i checked so really, it's a fucking american food now
1289587;1443690748;davout;the catch is probably that it's not considered food in the US :D
1289588;1443690782;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/0f0f6485b8784f85e3d3155bb09b861c/tumblr_numzdfjojq1ty4k89o1_1280.jpg << what's the word for this ?
1289589;1443690822;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> anyway kraft owns vegemite last i checked so really, it's a fucking american food now << Nah, it's basically prison loaf for yall stuck in our social justice lab
1289590;1443690825;davout;"URL"
1289591;1443690828;cazalla;who gives a fuck what you call it mircea_popescu
1289592;1443690846;cazalla;you can call that piss bread and ill eat it up!
1289593;1443690851;mircea_popescu;no i mean, when you put your penis (or alt-penis as the case may be) in someone else's pic
1289594;1443690878;davout;photo bomb?
1289595;1443690886;mircea_popescu;hm
1289596;1443690894;cazalla;nah not photo bomb, but i know there is a word
1289597;1443690905;cazalla;like when ya let ya nuts sag outta ya jeans in a photo
1289598;1443690989;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> like when ya let ya nuts sag outta ya jeans in a photo << Waiting (2005) has names for all the possibilities in the penis showing game
1289599;1443691209;mircea_popescu;re http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-afghanistan-attack-idUSKCN0RU07Y20151001 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-09-2015#1268240 and subsequently.
1289600;1443691210;assbot;Afghan forces retake Kunduz city center from Taliban| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMbAY1 )
1289601;1443691210;assbot;Logged on 09-09-2015 18:57:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267818 << for the record, a "modern military base" IS a horrible castle.
1289602;1443691253;mircea_popescu;"oh, the great military victory of having (briefly) retaken a position we lost to the enemy last week, which was like their greatest victory ever."
1289603;1443691273;mircea_popescu;totally. let's play war in the sense of the jews trading "artwork", we keep defeating each other this way both sides win.
1289604;1443691315;mircea_popescu;if latest victory is greatest victory then the current pacycheck is correctly priviledged at the expense of all previous ones. win.
1289605;1443691444;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski "and isn�t about to start" << you mean become.
1289606;1443691445;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289607;1443692159;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski and for that matter fin is masculine yo.
1289608;1443692159;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1289609;1443692302;davout;mircea_popescu: la fin?
1289610;1443692322;mircea_popescu;that's what he said
1289611;1443692367;mircea_popescu;no fucking way!
1289612;1443692403;mircea_popescu;Le Fin de Si�cle, butotherwise, "la fin" ?!
1289613;1443692424;davout;la fin as in "the end" is feminine
1289614;1443692435;Naphex;jgarzik join shitpay advisory board with gavin; maybe they can advise them not to send 5000 BTC to random people on the internets
1289615;1443692451;mircea_popescu;omfg.
1289616;1443692454;mircea_popescu;i know nothing!
1289617;1443692457;davout;Naphex: jgarzik was already working for bitpay unless i'm mistaken
1289618;1443692464;mircea_popescu;for a year or more.
1289619;1443692484;Naphex;promotion to Advisory Board for good rimjobs probably
1289620;1443692490;Naphex;whatever the hell that means
1289621;1443692494;mircea_popescu;no, they just ran out of people.
1289622;1443692520;mircea_popescu;went through the "missed runway firing 90% of staff" start-up thing a few weeks ago.
1289623;1443692523;davout;you can use "fin" as masculine but then it's something else
1289624;1443692530;davout;see "le fin du fin"
1289625;1443692551;mircea_popescu;davout so i'm learnin'.
1289626;1443692582;cazalla;dindu nuffin
1289627;1443693858;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/c9df6e31f05b4da84119b654d5743954/tumblr_nlosxuBZpG1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg  isn't she cute.
1289628;1443693860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3nnO1 )
1289629;1443694574;mircea_popescu;so let me ask, of asciilifeform or whosoever wishes to approach the problem, the following theoretical question.
1289630;1443694705;mircea_popescu;so 1) eulora is a computer game. this makes it software, yes, but because it is not actually trying to solve a problem/set of problems but to CREATE a set of problems (which is the very nature of games, after all - the people running 100m aren't in a hurry and the people doing relay aren't actually you know, passing important messages in that stick or w/e, it's just makework for the enjoyment of the process) it has to
1289631;1443694705;mircea_popescu;constantly change.
1289632;1443694739;mircea_popescu;there isn't a definitive fixed form eulora that is the answer  to a putative "eulora problem". there's going to permanently be changes to it, known in the parlance as "expansions".
1289633;1443694763;mircea_popescu;now 2) diana coman keeps a bot which automates various game tasks. obviously enough, this bot has versions.
1289634;1443694770;mircea_popescu;how would kelvin versioning work for diana's bot ?
1289635;1443694806;mircea_popescu;more importantly : if kelvin versioning is not useful for diana's bot, on what exactly does the expectation that kelvin versioning is useful at all rest ?
1289636;1443695395;mircea_popescu;(and the disruption eulora brings to the table doesn't end here, incidentally. the above requirements as to change are why while i'm in generall all for open source, i will never share the fucking server code. it's not just that easy copying of the "exam rule book" so to speak makes the exam unworthy of taking, and therefore the game more boring. it's more importantly that i have to conserve for myself the space of mov
1289637;1443695395;mircea_popescu;ement, a problem that items which are expected to be fixed-form solutions to specified problems do not share.
1289638;1443695432;mircea_popescu;so in this sense : open source doesnarrow the space of possibilities. this however is only beneficial for some of the things, those that have a perfect form to be found.)
1289639;1443697878;cazalla;is this true? "Codeine is not available over the counter in the US, most of Europe, Hong Kong, India and Japan, but about 1.3 million packets are sold at pharmacies around Australia every month."
1289640;1443697884;cazalla;from http://www.theage.com.au/national/all-codeinecontaining-medications-could-be-prescriptiononly-from-next-year-20151001-gjzdex.html
1289641;1443697887;assbot;All codeine-containing medications could be prescription-only from next year ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKf4d2 )
1289642;1443697947;cazalla;for some reason i thought it was purple dranks all 'round in ussa
1289643;1443698087;davout;codeine is totally available OTC in France
1289644;1443698194;deedbot-;[Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-september-2015-statement/
1289645;1443698377;mircea_popescu;cazalla yeah the libertards went nuts with codeine
1289646;1443698417;*;mircea_popescu had it as a 9 yo child, nobody cared. now it KILLS!!11
1289647;1443699858;jurov;!mpif
1289648;1443699859;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021538 B (Total: 427.91 B). Delta: 0.37 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
1289649;1443699865;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1289650;1443699865;assbot;Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?
1289651;1443699886;jurov;mpif should start reselling codeine or whatevs
1289652;1443699932;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1289653;1443701050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17161 @ 0.000685 = 11.7553 BTC [+]
1289654;1443702575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31221 @ 0.00067894 = 21.1972 BTC [-] {3} 
1289655;1443703227;deedbot-;[Trilema] Whoever said resource allocation is a solved problem deserves a kick in the nads. - http://trilema.com/2015/whoever-said-resource-allocation-is-a-solved-problem-deserves-a-kick-in-the-nads/
1289656;1443703306;jurov;deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151001/attachment_49fce8b161347553452b2968861026ecbc2a56a0.txt
1289657;1443703307;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3DriW )
1289658;1443703309;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1289659;1443703328;jurov;deedbot-: http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201509.txt.asc
1289660;1443703329;assbot;503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3DviC )
1289661;1443703329;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1289662;1443703385;jurov;wtf
1289663;1443703392;mircea_popescu;skam!
1289664;1443703394;thestringpuller;anyone following hearn's ban from bitcoin?
1289665;1443703405;mircea_popescu;how do you follow an event ?
1289666;1443703424;thestringpuller; i usually type /lastlog
1289667;1443703438;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/d5fb5a78f48c05b4aa59ad1c59b30cae/tumblr_nlcqzyMvqi1skwz29o1_1280.jpg << baby fat is best fat!
1289668;1443703439;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5fLPD )
1289669;1443703484;jurov;deedbot-: http://www.explo.yt/public/fmpif_201509.txt.asc
1289670;1443703484;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5fSL0 )
1289671;1443703485;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1289672;1443703536;thestringpuller;davout: purple drink is easier to get in France? No wonder Kanye and Jay-Z love it.
1289673;1443703556;davout;i have nfi what purple drink is
1289674;1443703577;thestringpuller;;;ud purple drank
1289675;1443703578;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=purple+drank | purple drank. codeine/promethazine cough syrup mixed in with some sprite. serve it up in a white styrafoam cup with some ice and your good to go. you can mix ...
1289676;1443703637;davout;aha, interdasting
1289677;1443703667;jurov;meh codeine, frenchies use lidocaine for sore throat
1289678;1443703689;jurov;they gave me these lidocaine bonbones in strasbourg when i asked them for something
1289679;1443703705;jurov;took them home, everyone was wtf
1289680;1443703731;davout;jurov: they sell codeine in combination with paracetamol here, for headaches mostly
1289681;1443703764;davout;but yeah, lidocaine is totally a thing here, no idea what's in it
1289682;1443703837;mircea_popescu;lidocaine lol. that's it.
1289683;1443703979;*;mircea_popescu had a nasal endoscopy recently, doc wanted to give me lidocaine for it, i didn't want it, he was like, "i don't understand why anyone would want to be unable to speak/chew and drool all over themselves for three hours to avoid the minimal disconfort of a half minute procedure, but you're the first one to turn it down in so long i forget"
1289684;1443704043;davout;mircea_popescu: the reasoning is probably something along the lines of: "guy offers painkillers, stuff's prolly painful"
1289685;1443704067;mircea_popescu;right. and on the other hand, "people seem to take them, i guess i gotta offer them."
1289686;1443704073;mircea_popescu;vicious circle to the moon.
1289687;1443704080;davout;makes sense
1289688;1443704124;mircea_popescu;but i mean... if you need anesthesia for nasal endoscopy then women definitely need like a spinal tap for the case someone inserts a finger in the cunt
1289689;1443704137;mircea_popescu;let us not even mention the gruesome pain of touching the rectum or something
1289690;1443704175;davout;to me "nasal endoscopy" just sounds like "finger in the nose, just longer"
1289691;1443704183;mircea_popescu;and thinner
1289692;1443704209;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289180 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#887888
1289693;1443704209;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 02:37:09; brg444: still amazes me someone out there can turn on/off nearly 100,000,000 GH/S with the flick of a wrist
1289694;1443704209;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 07:45:49; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well...
1289695;1443704231;mircea_popescu;"i will now insert this flexible qtip in your nose. would you like me to hit you in the head with this mallet first ? for safety?"
1289696;1443704264;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289228 << replied :)
1289697;1443704264;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 06:32:21; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I got a comment in your que
1289698;1443704293;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289605 << fixed. cheers.
1289699;1443704293;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 09:24:04; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "and isn�t about to start" << you mean become.
1289700;1443704365;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289607 << omgerd this is Movie Ending 101 ! 'la fin du film' !
1289701;1443704365;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 09:35:59; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski and for that matter fin is masculine yo.
1289702;1443704393;mircea_popescu;it's time for me to start frenchxt
1289703;1443704403;mircea_popescu;im sick of all this irresponsible conservative behaviour
1289704;1443704412;mircea_popescu;HOW WILL IT SCALE TO ACCOMODATE AFRICA LIKE THIS
1289705;1443704460;pete_dushenski;hehe
1289706;1443704508;davout;mircea_popescu: you're late to this particular party >>> http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/nouvelles-regles-d-orthographe-dix-points-a-connaitre-09-11-2011-1710512.php#xtref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.fr
1289707;1443704509;assbot;Nouvelles règles d'orthographe : dix points à connaître ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3FNhu )
1289708;1443704527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.000685 = 6.302 BTC [+]
1289709;1443704532;mircea_popescu;that "xtref" is a joke right ?
1289710;1443704562;pete_dushenski;if you're going to diddle 'la fin' you may as well go all the way, get your director, and start shootin' !
1289711;1443704576;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-09-2015#1285984 <<
1289712;1443704576;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 23:45:02; *: mircea_popescu wants a director now.
1289713;1443704586;mircea_popescu;3 On emploie l'accent grave (au lieu de l'accent aigu) dans un certain nombre de mots, ainsi qu'au futur et au conditionnel des verbes qui se conjuguent comme � c�der �. Ex : �v�nement, r�glementaire, ils r�gleraient (avant : �v�nement, r�glementaire, ils r�gleraient).
1289714;1443704590;mircea_popescu;ahahaha GET THE FUCK OFF MY LAWN
1289715;1443704603;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu didn't you produce pornos before ?
1289716;1443704617;mircea_popescu;been a while
1289717;1443704664;pete_dushenski;événement << blech.
1289718;1443704673;mircea_popescu;Ex : des matchs, un r�volver (des matches, un revolver). << revolver is a bona fide french mot neh ?  or would that be revolveur
1289719;1443704715;pete_dushenski;"mama said he's bona fide!" (o brother where art thou)
1289720;1443704746;pete_dushenski;cute when 8 year old girl says it ;)
1289721;1443704804;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289110 << and your qualifications would be ?
1289722;1443704804;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 01:02:00; VariaVarietatis: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I'd be willing to help with the PR.
1289723;1443704813;davout;mircea_popescu: i'd say revolver is english
1289724;1443704862;pete_dushenski;speaking of pr, here i was thinking idkwtf it is, then lo and behold, my digital memory came through in the clutch : http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/26/even-north-korea-knows-that-public-relations-isnt-about-being-nice-anymore/
1289725;1443704864;assbot;Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3GGqm )
1289726;1443704881;davout;or maybe there's a subtle, or not so subtle, difference between revolver and pistolet that i'm unaware of
1289727;1443704884;pete_dushenski;the things i didn't know i know !
1289728;1443704893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29811 @ 0.000685 = 20.4205 BTC [+]
1289729;1443705089;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289635 << if rifle is worthles as a fishing rod, where does the expectation that it is useful in the hunt rest.
1289730;1443705089;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 10:20:06; mircea_popescu: more importantly : if kelvin versioning is not useful for diana's bot, on what exactly does the expectation that kelvin versioning is useful at all rest ?
1289731;1443705200;asciilifeform;kelvin versioning is for proggy which ~solves~ well-defined problem, yes. it is to signal intent to converge, with exponentially smaller (in practice also ~rarer~) increments on eternal perfection.
1289732;1443705273;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288939 << well, if 'b-a is by now at a stage where it kinda needs its own pr agency', are you proposing that therealbitcoin, bitbet, mpex, s.nsa, qntra, paymium, etc. are looking to hire pr talent ?
1289733;1443705273;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 20:12:15; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you get clients, work on their projects. like anyone else.
1289734;1443705291;asciilifeform;this is the Right Thing for ~very few~ items. and yes, a game is a textbook example of where it is ~not~.
1289735;1443705313;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu i mean, hanbot did her time in the trenches, which mpex presumably backed, but who of the 3-4 actual businesses here is going to pay for yours truly to shmooze at conpherenes ? i'm not totally sure i see it.
1289736;1443705324;mircea_popescu;davout a revolver is defined by having a revolving chamber
1289737;1443705336;pete_dushenski;conpherences*
1289738;1443705336;mircea_popescu;line fed pistols are... pistols.
1289739;1443705366;*;pete_dushenski has same fusil-related intuation 
1289740;1443705371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so in that sense, programming is not a unified field. there are two disjunct efforts.
1289741;1443705387;mircea_popescu;i suspect a large part of current nonsense stems from confusion which may be related to that conflation.
1289742;1443705401;mircea_popescu;most programmers of the web-and-vc ilk today are not in fact solvers, but chasers.
1289743;1443705455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: programming is a proto-field, very much stuck in its 'alchemical' stage.
1289744;1443705472;mircea_popescu;yeah. bu this hunt fishing paradigm is, at least to me, very informative.
1289745;1443705491;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289299 << ha. neato history.
1289746;1443705491;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:11:11; midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The Fils de Liberte were likely guilty of it. I don't know if they were actually charged. Yes, a pile of people have been charged, and convicted, of sedition in Canada. Interesting semi-related factoid. de Gaulle when he gave his famous (in Canada) speech "vive le Quebec! vive le Quebec LIBRE!" and the camera cuts to uproariously jubilant crowd, that's an edit by a separatiste
1289747;1443705509;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski eulora certainly is, xtokica is, qntra and bitbet might be, the beeline islong.
1289748;1443705512;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289314 << ya. mailbox bomber kids
1289749;1443705512;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:15:53; midnightmagic: I'm sorry, I'm mixing up groups. Not Fils de Liberte. I meant le Front de Liberation de Quebec.
1289750;1443705566;mircea_popescu;they;ll pay if the roi is there. your job is in making sure the roi is there, which is not trivial, and will probably take significant effort early on.
1289751;1443705582;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu splendid
1289752;1443705619;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289341 << lelz
1289753;1443705619;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:28:24; mircea_popescu: "your honor, i direct your attention to page 792,paragraph H of tome 9 of the conspiracy to overthrow the world over! as you can clearly see, it says right there i disagree with things and stuff."
1289754;1443705648;mircea_popescu;to put numbers behind this : http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#selection-181.0-193.6
1289755;1443705649;assbot;MiniGame (S.MG), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7lfdl )
1289756;1443705649;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289347 << midnightmagic is a canadian law-talkin' guy ? o.O
1289757;1443705649;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:31:04; midnightmagic: The contract they were trying to sue us under was held invalid by the British Columbia Court of Appeals because they didn't have the right to lease the premises of an unabandoned railway depot for other purposes.
1289758;1443705663;mircea_popescu;s.mg actually spent close to 8 btc in an abortive attempt at this.
1289759;1443705691;mircea_popescu;before that, the meanwhile defunct s.wol also spent a decent chunk, about in the same range.
1289760;1443705702;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtVllgTPyfk&list=PLC18800BAF7395CA8 << 'law-talkin' guy'
1289761;1443705703;assbot;that's why you are the judge and I'm the law-talking guy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7lllf )
1289762;1443705727;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu damn.
1289763;1443705740;pete_dushenski;that's not an insignificant chunk o' change
1289764;1443705763;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289736 << there existed at least one 'revolver' where the drum revolved to snarf up wankel-shaped cartridges from a hilt magazine, whereby this cartridge would be its own chamber! and fell out when spent and drum rotated!
1289765;1443705763;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 13:15:24; mircea_popescu: davout a revolver is defined by having a revolving chamber
1289766;1443705804;asciilifeform;iirc, 'dardick's system'
1289767;1443705838;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289384 << chin-ups, push-ups, sit-ups, walk-ups. the way to go, really.
1289768;1443705838;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:49:39; cazalla: dem nigger jail work outs would've been better in hindsight.. own weight
1289769;1443705988;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/in-which-volkswagen-takes-aim-at-the-insanity-of-statal-overbearing/#comment-32083
1289770;1443705989;assbot;In which Volkswagen takes aim at the insanity of statal overbearing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7lPrr )
1289771;1443706046;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289392 << this is why 'fastfood-fat' is, to the trained eye, a thing; and is what i thought the term 'hamplanet' referred to, customarily.
1289772;1443706046;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 07:57:19; mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
1289773;1443706097;asciilifeform;just about nobody, outside of p.t. barnum's circus, was 'hamplanet' in 1880. not rich people, either.
1289774;1443706261;asciilifeform;the 'planet' thing, as with most american neologisms, leaves little to the imagination. it refers not to obesity even but to a qualitative jump in the progression of the disease where the afflicted begins to lose 'human form' - what a child might draw when asked to 'draw person' - and converge to... a sphere. hence 'planet.'
1289775;1443706262;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289449 << whole place is a zombie. also where usistan is headed. http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/15/emancipation-shemancipation-independence-shmindependence/
1289776;1443706262;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 08:19:34; mircea_popescu: anyway. or to get back to jamaica, there is zombie. but kindaoverused.
1289777;1443706264;assbot;Emancipation shemancipation, independence shmindependence. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hf3nAq )
1289778;1443706345;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289503 << sorta kinda ties into http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3529#more-3529
1289779;1443706345;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 08:39:22; mircea_popescu: here's an idea for a tumblr : take a chick to random toliets, fuck her, polaroid a scene, leave it affixed to the wall with some email on it, publish the emails you get.
1289780;1443706347;assbot;Look Into The Face Of The Man Who Seduced Fifty Women In Two Years — And Despair | Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7muJz )
1289781;1443706373;pete_dushenski;"this guy slept with fifty women. Fifty. He’s not a movie star or a well-known musician or even, ahem, a great writer. He owns a coffee shop in Asheville, NC. He frequently “dominated” or “humiliated” the women he met, and he claims to have introduced a few of them to anal sex, but every single experience he had with them was entirely and thoroughly consensual."
1289782;1443706494;pete_dushenski;"14. M. – Cold Approach – 6/6/5 – Bail. Boring mid-twenties girl I approached at a boring bar. The first and second dates were boring, her friends were boring, and the sex was boring. I have no idea what she’s doing now, but it’s probably boring."
1289783;1443706540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.000685 = 11.0285 BTC [+]
1289784;1443706585;pete_dushenski;"24. G. – Tinder – 8/8/9 – Logistics. Early twenties blonde model and a fucking rockstar. The only girl I’ve fucked who was hot enough, feminine enough, and interesting enough to be a long term option. One day while she was riding me and squirting all over me she said “If I was staying here I’d totally fucking date you.” I felt the same but she moved to the Pacific Northwest a week later. She has the
1289785;1443706586;pete_dushenski; red-pill awareness to know that her early twenties is the time to lock a man down."
1289786;1443706612;pete_dushenski;this is what 'red-pill awareness' means now ? o.O
1289787;1443706655;pete_dushenski;not that i disagree that a girl's early 20s are prime mating time, but this should be self-evident, not 'down the rabbit hole' stuff
1289788;1443706706;pete_dushenski;"33. C. – Tinder – 8/8/8 – Boyfriend. Really sexy, feminine, generous mid-twenties brunette. MASSIVE tits. I fucked her ass for the first time, and she promptly got weird on me and withheld sex the next time we saw each other. I let it ride and found out later she’d been seeing her ex again. She got weird because I came in her ass while things were getting serious with him."
1289789;1443706719;pete_dushenski;bwahaha. nice gotcha.
1289790;1443706799;pete_dushenski;"If I threw in a little calibrated genuine romantic emotion, combined with sexual dominance, it was relatively easy to keep them hooked. This is why 50 Shades of Grey is so popular – Christian Grey isn’t an asshole. He almost cares too much while still being sexually dominant. Women want to be swept up in an emotional whirlwind, and the more I tried to keep my “Alpha cool” the more they responded with
1289791;1443706799;pete_dushenski; flakiness or coldness. But my goal has also been harem-building, not one night stands."
1289792;1443706832;pete_dushenski;i'll let mp take this last comment from mr. coffee shop :P
1289793;1443707166;pete_dushenski;"You can already rate restaurants, hotels, movies, college classes, government agencies and bowel movements online. So the most surprising thing about Peeple — basically Yelp, but for humans — may be the fact that no one has yet had the gall to launch something like it. When the app does launch, probably in late November, you will be able to assign reviews and one- to five-star ratings to everyone you know:
1289794;1443707166;pete_dushenski; your exes, your co-workers, the old guy who lives next door. You can’t opt out — once someone puts your name in the Peeple system, it’s there unless you violate the site’s terms of service. And you can’t delete bad or biased reviews — that would defeat the whole purpose."
1289795;1443707187;pete_dushenski;^moar log readers taking their 'new ideas' out into the world of vc chumpatronics
1289796;1443707235;pete_dushenski;that being said, i can see 'people' quite liking 'peeple'
1289797;1443707244;pete_dushenski;basically a 'rate my md' for everyone everywhere
1289798;1443707303;pete_dushenski;http://forthepeeple.com
1289799;1443707305;assbot;Peeple | Character is Destiny ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTJ9DR )
1289800;1443707354;pete_dushenski;basically, mr. coffee shop was just a step ahead of nicole and julia here
1289801;1443707372;pete_dushenski;though, of course, the wot a few steps further ahead still
1289802;1443707479;pete_dushenski;"Can I start someone else's profile? Yes. You will need their cell phone number to start their profile and they will receive a text that you were the person to start their profile and that they should check out what you said about them on our app." << surely, this can't be gamed! it's 100% certified fresh dummyproof!
1289803;1443707540;pete_dushenski;o good god these women are from calgary alberta. the shame.
1289804;1443707717;pete_dushenski;Julia Cordray and Nicole McCullough, ftr, you both suck. that you've raised $350k is a testament to the problem of too much money, not the worth of your unoriginal ideas. don't quit your dayjobs and/or give your rich husband's feet a big smooch when you get home.
1289805;1443707800;pete_dushenski;"As of Monday, the company’s shares put its value at $7.6 million" << gtfo. seriously.
1289806;1443708394;thestringpuller;Wassup pete_dushenski
1289807;1443708402;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKegRnTimFs << views from 'when the world worked'. in usa, 1930s were the last decade of any sort of wealth.
1289808;1443708403;assbot;100 Years of Wedding Dresses in 3 Minutes ★ Mode.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTKKd1 )
1289809;1443708417;pete_dushenski;top o' the morning, thestringpuller
1289810;1443708431;diana_coman;cazalla> is this true? "Codeine is not available over the counter in the US, most of Europe, Hong Kong, India and Japan, but about 1.3 million packets are sold at pharmacies around Australia every month."  <- it's true in the UK at least (where they are nuts anyway)
1289811;1443708475;diana_coman;they made such a fuss and then they gave me a whole bunch in hospital anyway (threw most of them away in the end)
1289812;1443708502;thestringpuller;that could have made some good purple drank
1289813;1443708518;pete_dushenski;sippin on some sizzurp
1289814;1443708633;diana_coman;I suspect it kind of gave me some weird hallucinations but it could have been due to the more-than-extreme-falling-asleep-while-walking exhaustion instead, hard to tell
1289815;1443708752;pete_dushenski;diana_coman i found codeine to make me dizzier and more nauseous than pain-free. only took for a day after wisdom teef extraction.
1289816;1443708802;diana_coman;well, it was post emergency cesarian, so I thought that might hurt (turned out that I didn't need it hence chucked it away but...)
1289817;1443708823;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289644 << contravex is famous ! ima be rich !
1289818;1443708823;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 11:16:34; deedbot-: [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-september-2015-statement/
1289819;1443708848;pete_dushenski;diana_coman you're a champ.
1289820;1443709010;diana_coman;thanks pete_dushenski
1289821;1443709578;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-32029 << ethtards are relentless, i tell ya. never underestimate retard strength, kids.
1289822;1443709580;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTMvqD )
1289823;1443709895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2655 @ 0.00067639 = 1.7958 BTC [-] {4} 
1289824;1443709956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26781 @ 0.00067621 = 18.1096 BTC [-]
1289825;1443710187;davout;pete_dushenski: "As to my “sub-child level of maturity,” given that I just so happen to have an enfant terrible chez moi, I can attest first-hand to my vastly superior level of maturity. Example #1 : I don’t cry when I’m hungry, I go to the fridge. Example #2 : I don’t shit my own pants, I use the bathroom. And if you were just being hyperbolic, you suck at it." <<< top kek
1289826;1443710316;mircea_popescu;hey io+nteret+iong bruth kl
1289827;1443710339;mircea_popescu;hey io+nteret+iong bruth kl
1289828;1443710340;mircea_popescu;io+nkl
1289829;1443710344;mircea_popescu;io+mfg my kl
1289830;1443710347;mircea_popescu;bd io+ hio+t
1289831;1443710429;*;pete_dushenski can hear the sound of mp's keyboard breaking in two over his knee
1289832;1443710450;pete_dushenski;time for a model m big buy !
1289833;1443710501;mircea_popescu;that is exactly what happened ftr
1289834;1443710507;mircea_popescu;hotspare ready to go!
1289835;1443710521;pete_dushenski;i have excellent hearing.
1289836;1443710526;mircea_popescu;herring
1289837;1443710534;mircea_popescu;so ... interesting bruth link
1289838;1443710535;pete_dushenski;cod
1289839;1443710561;pete_dushenski;actually had the most incredible kimchi-spiced sea bass last night
1289840;1443710575;mircea_popescu;tho he packs a disproportionate load of "nice guy with great sense of humour A++ would treat nice again"
1289841;1443710636;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237221/Girl-15-forced-stand-road-humiliating-sign.html
1289842;1443710637;assbot;Girl, 15, forced to stand by side of the road with humiliating sign | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIcvsg )
1289843;1443710646;mircea_popescu;what the fuck sort of retard figures the right move is to ADVERTISE this ?
1289844;1443710703;pete_dushenski;bwahaha. might as well say 'slut here <-- for good time call 32948493843'
1289845;1443710722;mircea_popescu;and very vaguely related, but perhaps of alf interest : http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/grisha-mamurin-causes-online-storm-after-a-series-of-humiliating-videos-appear-on-youtube/story-fnjwnhzf-1227410656528
1289846;1443710724;assbot;Grisha Mamurin has provoked a storm of protest by paying girls to flash their boobs and kiss him ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIcQuX )
1289847;1443710731;mircea_popescu;when i get rich enough to afford 120 dollars i might try that!
1289848;1443710774;pete_dushenski;maybe that'll be the day i can afford eizo monitors like that rich man stan
1289849;1443710805;mircea_popescu;it's pretty ridiculous, whar's so noteworthy about this ?
1289850;1443710815;mircea_popescu;rich guy pays money for having a meal brought to him by some dude.
1289851;1443710827;mircea_popescu;rich guy pays money for being hauled through air at high speed.
1289852;1443710830;mircea_popescu;da fuck already.
1289853;1443710842;mircea_popescu;what did they think money was far ?
1289854;1443710843;mircea_popescu;for*
1289855;1443710914;pete_dushenski;donating to peta
1289856;1443710993;mircea_popescu;this is that, no ?
1289857;1443711002;diana_coman;uhm, why is that humiliating exactly?
1289858;1443711012;diana_coman;it is ugly as a sign, true
1289859;1443711023;thestringpuller;diana_coman: american teens are easily embarrassed
1289860;1443711033;diana_coman;but humiliating...for the father maybe?
1289861;1443711037;thestringpuller;you can embarrass your teenager very easily in america by just showing up to school
1289862;1443711048;diana_coman;oh
1289863;1443711051;thestringpuller;"Hi honey I brought you, your lunch!"
1289864;1443711058;thestringpuller;"Dad that's so fucking embarrassing"
1289865;1443711072;diana_coman;"oh good, will come back more often then, until you get over it"
1289866;1443711102;mircea_popescu;diana_coman generally the coy behaviour makes girls retract from sudden spikes of attention.
1289867;1443711110;mircea_popescu;inept men misinterpret this as "humiliating".
1289868;1443711154;mircea_popescu;(also misinterpret the absence of the problem as "beinga slut")
1289869;1443711176;diana_coman;uhm, 12-14-16 year old me certainly recoiled/retracted from sudden cries/shouts etc from construction workers in the centre of the town
1289870;1443711187;mircea_popescu;really, behavioural heuristics are probably the most scandalously poor "superpower" of the man in the street.
1289871;1443711196;diana_coman;until 16 year old me figured out that ...they only talk, so bullshit
1289872;1443711198;diana_coman;lolz
1289873;1443711251;mircea_popescu;disappointment comes early!
1289874;1443711284;diana_coman;lolz
1289875;1443711323;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289786 <<< honestly to me this just sounds like typical contemporary female insecurity. she;s making a hedged bet. "i'd date you. except if you don't want to, in which case i wasn't going to anyway."
1289876;1443711323;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 13:36:52; pete_dushenski: this is what 'red-pill awareness' means now ? o.O
1289877;1443711357;mircea_popescu;;;google "listen to old gloria. the greater sacrifices"
1289878;1443711358;gribble;Listen to Choral Anthems Sung in Worship - The First Presbyterian ...: <http://www.fpcnyc.org/music/listen-to-choral-anthems-sung-in-worship.html>; Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: <http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/m/madagascar-escape-2-africa-script.html>; Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
1289879;1443711365;mircea_popescu;google you fucking stink seriously.
1289880;1443711393;mircea_popescu;http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=butterfield-8
1289881;1443711394;assbot;BUtterfield 8 (1960) Movie Script | SS ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWvcnZ )
1289882;1443711525;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu sounds to me like this girl was actually just leaving town, but hey, had we been there, we'd know for sure.
1289883;1443711549;mircea_popescu;right. which is why she said this.
1289884;1443711560;mircea_popescu;because it wouldn't have been redundant.
1289885;1443711575;mircea_popescu;like right now i'm typing. and im telling you im typing, in case you didn't know. maybe you were curious.
1289886;1443711578;mircea_popescu;hey pete_dushenski im typing.
1289887;1443711591;mircea_popescu;ya know ? if i weren't typing right now i'd be sipping on my cooler.
1289888;1443711641;pete_dushenski;what, like ppl don't narrate their lives ?
1289889;1443711659;pete_dushenski;"honey, brb, going to grab the mail"
1289890;1443711683;pete_dushenski;"dear, i'm off to work in the mines, see you this evening"
1289891;1443711689;mircea_popescu;or alternatively, like it wouldn't make for a great fucking story, "and then i said hey if i weren't leaving for this uberimportant reason i'd totally marry you while coming all over him, and then he said the hell with reason, marry me, and that's when i said yes"
1289892;1443711707;pete_dushenski;instead of just walking out the door at some point, mayhaps or mayhaps not to return
1289893;1443711746;mircea_popescu;i've yet to meet someone who narrates their life as they climax, but then again im relatively inexperienced.
1289894;1443711766;mircea_popescu;(seriously, i am. i fucked much fewer men than most of the women i ever hang out with.)
1289895;1443711828;pete_dushenski;me thinks mr. coffee slut is being lyrical. as fucking if anyone is narrating their future plans WHILST SQUIRTING
1289896;1443711866;pete_dushenski;why not also do sunday times crossword while bungee jumping ?
1289897;1443711869;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289802 << it's the newest and bestests in coverup for spam.
1289898;1443711869;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 13:51:19; pete_dushenski: "Can I start someone else's profile? Yes. You will need their cell phone number to start their profile and they will receive a text that you were the person to start their profile and that they should check out what you said about them on our app." << surely, this can't be gamed! it's 100% certified fresh dummyproof!
1289899;1443711921;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289804 <<< ahahawhat bs, they raised 350k ? this is not enough to cover the cost of raising.
1289900;1443711921;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 13:55:17; pete_dushenski: Julia Cordray and Nicole McCullough, ftr, you both suck. that you've raised $350k is a testament to the problem of too much money, not the worth of your unoriginal ideas. don't quit your dayjobs and/or give your rich husband's feet a big smooch when you get home.
1289901;1443712024;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289816 << kinda the reason the c-section is literally the oldest medical procedure known to man
1289902;1443712024;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 14:13:22; diana_coman: well, it was post emergency cesarian, so I thought that might hurt (turned out that I didn't need it hence chucked it away but...)
1289903;1443712034;mircea_popescu;is that inexplicably it doesn;t hurt and heals well
1289904;1443712038;mircea_popescu;it makes no fucking sense, but still.
1289905;1443712050;diana_coman;from what I heard it's not really like that
1289906;1443712056;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1289907;1443712059;pete_dushenski;c section, afaik, doesn't heal ~that~ well.
1289908;1443712077;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it doesn't heal as in, restore function. but it does heal in the sense, you won'tfucking die from it.
1289909;1443712082;pete_dushenski;the victims can't lift a teacup for several weeks, limited to one flight of stairs per day, etc.
1289910;1443712088;diana_coman;I know people who could barely move out of bed 1 week after that
1289911;1443712088;mircea_popescu;sure.
1289912;1443712108;mircea_popescu;but comparatively, medieval bullet extraction had < 50% survival rate.
1289913;1443712116;pete_dushenski;yes, survival is there. no doubt about it.
1289914;1443712138;pete_dushenski;bbiab
1289915;1443712148;diana_coman;I was out walking after a solid sleep (which was the one and only thing I needed like crazy)
1289916;1443712173;diana_coman;pete_dushenski exactly, except when...no
1289917;1443712265;diana_coman;maybe I was lucky or something but honestly all I needed was rest+food (both in huge amounts admittedly) and otherwise....
1289918;1443712311;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> pete_dushenski it doesn't heal as in, restore function <- uhm, what do you mean?
1289919;1443712433;diana_coman;there is vbac too if that's what you mean (with 1/200 chance of uterus rupture and potential death, yes - then again, just check out in how many ways one can die giving -or should I say not-giving- birth the first time anyway)
1289920;1443712457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19895 @ 0.000685 = 13.6281 BTC [+]
1289921;1443712986;mircea_popescu;diana_coman generally you can't deliver normally after one.
1289922;1443712999;diana_coman;what do you mean by generally?
1289923;1443713034;diana_coman;vbac = vaginal birth after c-section so yeah, "normally"
1289924;1443713057;mircea_popescu;what was it, 40% ?
1289925;1443713098;mircea_popescu;iirc it's almost nil in primiparous women with difficult delivery ; as high as 50% in multiparous women with one difficult presentation.
1289926;1443713144;diana_coman;it didn't use to be the practice/allowed so kind of hard to tell (as far as I know in Romania for instance you'd still be directly set up for a c-section) so kind of biased numbers as to what the body can/cannot
1289927;1443713144;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc plenty of hospitals won't even consider it, because the cost/effort of emergency c section is too high
1289928;1443713154;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1289929;1443713190;diana_coman;the thing is: what used to be the % of death at birth? would you say as high as 40%?
1289930;1443713194;mircea_popescu;"Also mircea_popescu has disappear off the face of the earth. It�s time for him to pay up. He can not be found on twitter or OTC or bitcointalk. So long shit talkers."
1289931;1443713195;mircea_popescu;wut ?!
1289932;1443713212;mircea_popescu;diana_coman when / where ?
1289933;1443713231;mircea_popescu;but the original point was that no, survival after c section was shockingly good even in roman times.
1289934;1443713235;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1289935;1443713235;diana_coman;pre-birth in hospital basically
1289936;1443713259;ascii_field;diana_coman: that figure, if ever even came close, is an artifact of 19th c. euro. 'medicine'
1289937;1443713295;diana_coman;could be, tbh I held the same belief right up until I experienced "the wonder of birth"
1289938;1443713296;ascii_field;where 'doctor' pulled children out while still carrying bits of rotting cadaver from dissection table between his fingernails
1289939;1443713336;mircea_popescu;you're not supposed to pull.
1289940;1443713347;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: tell it to the americans !
1289941;1443713349;diana_coman;and yeah, that for sure ^
1289942;1443713373;mircea_popescu;on the contrary, midwife usually pushes ever so gently.
1289943;1443713373;ascii_field;phun phakt: the invention of the obstetric forceps was originally a trade secret of some (iirc british) schmuck.
1289944;1443713379;ascii_field;and they were used to pull the kid out ~in pieces~
1289945;1443713387;mircea_popescu;but the forceps is more of a turning/alligning instrument
1289946;1443713396;mircea_popescu;its use is to negotiate difficult presentations.
1289947;1443713592;diana_coman;thing is: presentation is not by far the end of it really
1289948;1443713598;diana_coman;and in some cases nature is just a huge idiot
1289949;1443713615;diana_coman;who could use a forceps up its ass
1289950;1443713616;mircea_popescu;surely.
1289951;1443713621;mircea_popescu;lol
1289952;1443713629;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/48ef1d1df29f154e4f31e46034870713/tumblr_nl0i32hFIg1uno3mbo1_1280.jpg
1289953;1443713629;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VsgevG )
1289954;1443713748;mircea_popescu;Mike Hearn accidentally reveals that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Shocked butters take refuge in irrational denial. (archive.is) submitted 11 hours ago by jstolfi << i lolled.
1289955;1443713759;mircea_popescu;wasn't the guy retired because lyf treats or something ?
1289956;1443713792;diana_coman;"Almost two-thirds of women who attempt a natural delivery after having a caesarean section for their first birth are successful, according to a study published in BJOG: An International Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology."
1289957;1443713793;diana_coman;http://www.bjog.org/details/news/5536911/Almost_two-thirds_of_women_who_attempt_a_natural_delivery_after_having_a_c-secti.html
1289958;1443713794;assbot;Almost two-thirds of women who attempt a natural delivery after having a c-section are successful - News - BJOG: An International Journal of Obstetrics & Gynaecology ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIlVE2 )
1289959;1443713809;diana_coman;then again, I'm sure I can find some data for any figure
1289960;1443713810;mircea_popescu;diana_coman so 40%
1289961;1443713902;mircea_popescu;(yes generally means "most women". but if you add the fact that only about half or so are even allowed to try to the fact that about a third (afaik ~40% but w/e) of the ones that are allowed to try fail, you come to the generally, or at least i do.)
1289962;1443713930;diana_coman;thing is: what is the rate of emergency c-section for first delivery?
1289963;1443713941;diana_coman;as it's not like 100% successful deliver the first time around
1289964;1443713944;mircea_popescu;one in twenty or so ?
1289965;1443713969;mircea_popescu;depends, had a friend in timisoara, chief nurse for county hospital, did upwards of two dozen emergency c sections a day
1289966;1443713973;diana_coman;so what function is it that c-section does not preserve since it was missing in the first place?
1289967;1443713978;mircea_popescu;90%+ of which on primiparous 14 yo and under gypsy girls.
1289968;1443713983;mircea_popescu;half of which came with tube ligature.
1289969;1443713995;mircea_popescu;diana_coman presumed to have existed!
1289970;1443714005;diana_coman;well, presumed wtf is that, lol
1289971;1443714025;mircea_popescu;shush i am a male, with the patriarchical doctor mindset. women are presumed fertile!
1289972;1443714075;*;mircea_popescu has learned what little ofthe craft he knows from 1900s and other pre-war derelicts and what is this laboratory bs. you diagnose by palpation!
1289973;1443714076;diana_coman;lol fertile like a ticking bomb or something
1289974;1443714273;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/T9YVx << the forum at its utter best.
1289975;1443714274;assbot;META WHALE SPY PUMP GROUP OPENING - JOIN NOW UNTIL SEATS ARE TAKEN ... ( http://bit.ly/1FInsdj )
1289976;1443714310;ascii_field;'I am member of a 7 pumping groups that entering costed me 15BTC+.' << ahahahaha
1289977;1443714343;ascii_field;'To proove i have inside infos, and to make this newbie account credible i have been posting daily tips...'
1289978;1443714363;ascii_field;^ to be read out loud in indian telemarketer accent
1289979;1443714381;mircea_popescu;aha.
1289980;1443714395;mircea_popescu;hi i am patel from isconseen
1289981;1443714486;*;mircea_popescu can't believe that he just had a discussion about the statistics of childbirth with a woman that has kids and is otherwise a statistician and survived untussled.
1289982;1443714511;mircea_popescu;clearly all those sophism lessons paid out! i am in 7 different groups whom costed me 15BTC+ to join!
1289983;1443714521;ascii_field;a 7 !
1289984;1443714526;mircea_popescu;o shit.
1289985;1443715030;ascii_field;'10th Annual Homeland Security Week.' '...Top 10 Priorities Guiding DHS into the Next 10 Years. Improving the Unity of Effort Initiative. Securing the Cyber Ecosystem. [moar crud snipped]'
1289986;1443715050;ascii_field;srsly pyongyang over here.
1289987;1443715060;thestringpuller;bitcoinxt is in a rage today
1289988;1443715078;mircea_popescu;why, did they find the face of jesus in a block ?
1289989;1443715084;thestringpuller;03:59 < dzbrak> the blockstream coup is underway
1289990;1443715085;thestringpuller;03:59 < dzbrak> how dare they try to silence mike
1289991;1443715085;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1289992;1443715104;thestringpuller;and they call us a cult...
1289993;1443715108;ascii_field;in other nyooz >> https://cryptome.org/2015/09/cia-ddi.htm << publicly facing faux metansa opens today!
1289994;1443715109;assbot;CIA Initiates Directorate of Digital Innovation ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIq62K )
1289995;1443715454;thestringpuller;03:59 < dzbrak> how dare they try to silence mike
1289996;1443715456;thestringpuller;~>
1289997;1443715481;thestringpuller;GRRR i hate ssh.
1289998;1443715486;mircea_popescu;who is that ?
1289999;1443715690;thestringpuller;"The CIA of the Future" << really?
1290000;1443715757;mike_c;mircea_popescu:  no mpif report last month, so if there will be one this month plz make it for both months.
1290001;1443715817;mike_c;and sometimes when i go to mpex I see this:  http://i.imgur.com/qGAhjKA.png
1290002;1443715818;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VsjZ4b )
1290003;1443715822;mike_c;perhpas a faulty proxy?
1290004;1443715858;mike_c;generally fixes itself with a refresh
1290005;1443715964;mike_c;and I know you're bored with BA already (not b-a), but is there not going to be a conf4?  We could do it in NYC if you all can get in the country.
1290006;1443716566;pete_dushenski;mike_c i could survive a trip to nyc, couldn't be worst than my last. closer too.
1290007;1443716579;pete_dushenski;mike_c btw what's keeping you busy these days, other than fatherhood ?
1290008;1443716590;thestringpuller;is everyone a dad now?!?
1290009;1443716628;mike_c;pretty much.  it's the new cool thing.
1290010;1443716643;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289930 << the graffiti on the walls of the contravex bathroom, i tell ya. i should have an app for it.
1290011;1443716643;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 15:26:34; mircea_popescu: "Also mircea_popescu has disappear off the face of the earth. It�s time for him to pay up. He can not be found on twitter or OTC or bitcointalk. So long shit talkers."
1290012;1443716686;thestringpuller;I couldn't deal with the anxiety related to pregnancy and child birth.
1290013;1443716752;pete_dushenski;http://imgur.com/mxCFPNt << speaking of nyc, wtf is 'bitmain' ?
1290014;1443716753;assbot;If you actually want to go to the moon... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIuizB )
1290015;1443716771;mike_c;pete_dushenski: working on stealth (hehe) project.  want to get it a bit further along before announcing.
1290016;1443716782;pete_dushenski;and lordy lordy are those camry hybrids awful. i miss teh crown vics
1290017;1443716787;mike_c;bitmain.. isn't that the antminer guys?
1290018;1443716796;pete_dushenski;maybe ?
1290019;1443716824;pete_dushenski;mike_c and looking forward to your next project. i still regret not having tried/reviewed wol.
1290020;1443716921;pete_dushenski;"CryptoCoinsNews, also known as CCN.LA, was launched in June 2013. After half a year with regular news updates, the site began to grow and started to employ talented journalists. After more than 2 years with 4 million unique visitors, 8 million sessions, and 18 000 000 pageviews, it is time to find a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further."
1290021;1443716926;thestringpuller;more xt lulz: 16:26 < Aquentin> all heil hearn.... down with the assets hackers
1290022;1443716946;pete_dushenski;obligatory : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
1290023;1443716947;assbot;Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIuEWP )
1290024;1443716996;pete_dushenski;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3254832/Pierre-Cardin-puts-bizarre-sensual-Bubble-Palace-South-France-scene-celeb-party-photoshoot-market-300m-Cressida-not-included.html << for teh archigeeks.
1290025;1443716997;assbot;Pierre Cardin puts his bizarre Bubble Palace in the South of France on  sale for £300m | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1FIuL4N )
1290026;1443717006;*;pete_dushenski and with that, i'm off for a spell !
1290027;1443717716;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1290028;1443717752;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290005 << iirc mircea_popescu said on several occasions that he would not set foot in gringolandia without a paratroop division or three
1290029;1443717752;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 16:12:44; mike_c: and I know you're bored with BA already (not b-a), but is there not going to be a conf4?  We could do it in NYC if you all can get in the country.
1290030;1443720815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00067845 = 20.2178 BTC [-] {4} 
1290031;1443722929;mircea_popescu;mike_c i could but meh. i know you like it, but i can't stand the post 1980 ny.
1290032;1443722999;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> perhpas a faulty proxy? << yeah.
1290033;1443723037;mircea_popescu;<thestringpuller> I couldn't deal with the anxiety related to pregnancy and child birth. << you're a woman ?
1290034;1443723080;mircea_popescu; a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further." << aka it's folding up
1290035;1443723565;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1290036;1443723576;ascii_field;l0l, mircea_popescu would set foot in usa ?!
1290037;1443723591;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1290038;1443723597;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather go somewhere cool.
1290039;1443723606;ascii_field;pyongyang!
1290040;1443723612;mircea_popescu;maybe lithuania.
1290041;1443723673;ascii_field;l0l may as well go to ru
1290042;1443723683;mircea_popescu;"Ihre Frau ist eine echte Exhibitionistin" mmkay.
1290043;1443723709;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i suppose. kinda waiting for putin to fall over.
1290044;1443723717;mircea_popescu;that'll be one party to check out.
1290045;1443723726;ascii_field;replay of 1991?
1290046;1443723735;mircea_popescu;naaa
1290047;1443723749;mircea_popescu;nothing like that. just, dude's an excellent boss, made everyone work ass off with seriositits etc.
1290048;1443723750;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289639 << I select parts of the US like Kansas it is over the counter when mixed in cough syrup, but still dispensed at pharmacist discretion
1290049;1443723750;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 11:11:18; cazalla: is this true? "Codeine is not available over the counter in the US, most of Europe, Hong Kong, India and Japan, but about 1.3 million packets are sold at pharmacies around Australia every month."
1290050;1443723755;mircea_popescu;once he's out, people gonna let some steam off.
1290051;1443723765;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: might have to wait a while. fella's not esp. old.
1290052;1443723786;mircea_popescu;you think he dies there ? i doubt it.
1290053;1443723820;mircea_popescu;the problem with truly efficient leaders is that unlike mediocre ones, they actually solve the problem they were up to solve. in this sense they create their own obsolescence.
1290054;1443723863;ascii_field;it is more like pumping water from a ship's bilge
1290055;1443723876;ascii_field;e.g. bilge filled up in five minutes after stalin croaked
1290056;1443723877;mircea_popescu;eh.
1290057;1443723888;mircea_popescu;stalin was not a particularly efficient leader.
1290058;1443723904;mircea_popescu;he was actually below mediocre. very convincing one, but that's not the same thing.
1290059;1443723924;mircea_popescu;there's a husband thatthe wife deeply loves, and will die for ; tthen there's a husband that makes a lot of money.
1290060;1443723936;mircea_popescu;these aren't the same thing. rarely the same person, too.
1290061;1443724088;ascii_field;'efficient' is not the right adjective - an efficient leader would have what, carried on 1700s agrarian shithole efficiently ?
1290062;1443724108;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-12-2014#943666 << thread
1290063;1443724108;assbot;Logged on 03-12-2014 06:12:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
1290064;1443724118;mircea_popescu;why not the right word ?
1290065;1443724144;mircea_popescu;colbert was efficient, not particularly charismatic. napoleon was charismatic. not particularly efficient.
1290066;1443724199;ascii_field;efficient take an argument
1290067;1443724206;ascii_field;efficient <at what>
1290068;1443724247;mircea_popescu;anyway, contrary to what mostly russians (perhaps in retrospect understandably) fear, nobody really gonnen nicht-s a strong russia.
1290069;1443724304;ascii_field;orly
1290070;1443724314;mircea_popescu;a wellsure, stalin was a pretty efficient butcher, granted. but no, efficient at ringing up the score, so to speak.
1290071;1443724328;ascii_field;http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nn-oregon-community-college-shooting-20151001-story.html << p0st4l!
1290072;1443724329;assbot;20 injured in shooting at Oregon community college; shooter in custody, official says - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1j3zoMN )
1290073;1443724347;mircea_popescu;awww dem terroriststs.
1290074;1443724356;mircea_popescu;better make less rape in campuses, that's the bigissue.
1290075;1443724406;*;ascii_field wonders if academi gets paid per-stiff or package deal
1290076;1443724414;mircea_popescu;ascii_field orly. nobody rly cares, administration's more work than it's worth.
1290077;1443724443;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what work. you set up the aboriginals to guard each other as they work to death in the minez
1290078;1443724472;ascii_field;or 'work the pipe' in the ru parlance
1290079;1443724481;mircea_popescu;as if.
1290080;1443724498;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-08-2015#1224985 << see also.
1290081;1443724498;assbot;Logged on 05-08-2015 03:40:19; assbot: Logged on 04-03-2014 01:44:19; asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
1290082;1443724528;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you're a woman << LOL. well played. I just don't want to deal with the whole process of baby-momma birthing child from my end.
1290083;1443724619;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ok, lemme take it this way. suppose you move to a new apartment building. there's say 100 flats there. in them, unsurprisingly, 100 men and 100 women, on average.
1290084;1443724630;mircea_popescu;would you srsly wish to be the only fuck-worthy individual in the entire building ?
1290085;1443724658;mircea_popescu;maybe, at age 16, you imagine this is an idea. otherwise, it isn't. it's much better to have at least a few dozen dudes you can go drinking with.
1290086;1443724688;ascii_field;europe ~is~ the 16yo though
1290087;1443724694;ascii_field;(and its colonies by extension)
1290088;1443724695;mircea_popescu;nobody asked europe anything.
1290089;1443724703;mircea_popescu;first off, europe is a woman.
1290090;1443724798;ascii_field;the most relevant thing, imho, is that swedish herring thing. europe had a good 600 years, but the nordicsystem herring is running out. but it sees this gigantic tub full of Phree Stuffz but with some annoying aboriginals crawling on it
1290091;1443724818;mircea_popescu;nothing of the sort.
1290092;1443724826;ascii_field;this ~is~ how the 'civilized' man sees the east
1290093;1443724828;mircea_popescu;europe is where the arabs go for free fucks.
1290094;1443724880;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290024 someone go plant an idea to ycombinator crowd they absolutely positively need such incubator space
1290095;1443724880;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 16:29:56; pete_dushenski: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3254832/Pierre-Cardin-puts-bizarre-sensual-Bubble-Palace-South-France-scene-celeb-party-photoshoot-market-300m-Cressida-not-included.html << for teh archigeeks.
1290096;1443724902;mircea_popescu;totallyy.
1290097;1443725109;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: wake me up when the arabs go to the palaces of luxembourg, or to tony blair's house, for the phree fucks
1290098;1443725123;mircea_popescu;becausewhy ?
1290099;1443725126;ascii_field;europe is simply yi yi zhi yi-ing itself into proper hierarchical segments again.
1290100;1443725134;ascii_field;the arabs did not parachute in, they were invited.
1290101;1443725140;ascii_field;to do a job.
1290102;1443725181;mircea_popescu;eh this discussion isn't going anywhere.
1290103;1443725200;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: srsly, what, europe did not have sufficient claymore mines to mince the invaders up ?
1290104;1443725220;ascii_field;forgot how to set up pillboxes, machine guns ?
1290105;1443725270;mircea_popescu;i never had to step on claymore mines when i went over to a woman's place.
1290106;1443725273;ascii_field;instead they pay these folks pensions, yes
1290107;1443725275;mircea_popescu;didja ?
1290108;1443725294;ascii_field;nope.
1290109;1443725310;mircea_popescu;so then.
1290110;1443725313;*;ascii_field begins to see mircea_popescu's point
1290111;1443725371;mircea_popescu;what do you suppose this entire "needs immigration" "aging population" "below replenishment rate natality" etc is.
1290112;1443725396;mircea_popescu;the stuff you make empires with ? the substance of lookingat the east and seeing juicy fruit crawling with ants ?
1290113;1443725397;mircea_popescu;heh.
1290114;1443725401;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1290115;1443725408;ascii_field;!s population replacement
1290116;1443725409;assbot;1 results for 'population replacement' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=population+replacement
1290117;1443725412;ascii_field;hm
1290118;1443725531;ascii_field;'...The Secretary of the Authors' Union / Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee / Which said that the people / Had forfeited the government's confidence / ... ... / Wouldn't it Be simpler in that case if the government / Dissolved the people and / Elected another?' (tm) (r) (brecht)
1290119;1443725565;ascii_field;(Die Lösung)
1290120;1443725655;mircea_popescu;wha about it ?
1290121;1443725739;ascii_field;that it is entirely doable, and is being done.
1290122;1443725826;mircea_popescu;sure, sure.
1290123;1443725832;mircea_popescu;and head transplants.
1290124;1443725848;ascii_field;arse transplants.
1290125;1443726004;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/bWZzTUD.jpg << l0l
1290126;1443726005;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j3D1SL )
1290127;1443726458;mircea_popescu;that certainly never happened!@
1290128;1443726481;mircea_popescu;washingtongawkhuffardian had the scoop!
1290129;1443726635;deedbot-;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-september-2015-statement/
1290130;1443726737;mircea_popescu;jurov ^ shares added.
1290131;1443726748;jurov;yo
1290132;1443726993;jurov;you included hanbot's shares? iirc she had own acct previously
1290133;1443727002;mircea_popescu;ah yeah i did.
1290134;1443727032;mircea_popescu;(i did include them)
1290135;1443727039;jurov;kk
1290136;1443727272;jurov;hanbot & hdbuck: you can call the s.qntr shares any time now or later, upon gpg signed request with destination coinbr/mpex account and whether it should be delivered once or always
1290137;1443727464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00067535 = 1.8234 BTC [-]
1290138;1443730146;mats;https://i.imgur.com/RuLQkuA.gifv
1290139;1443730147;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WAmAeS )
1290140;1443730344;mircea_popescu;da fuck was that
1290141;1443730480;cazalla;mats, is that legit?
1290142;1443730554;mats;cazalla, no
1290143;1443730843;mike_c;omg, hilarious :)
1290144;1443730861;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289667 <<< as for "my type", that
1290145;1443730861;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 12:43:58; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/d5fb5a78f48c05b4aa59ad1c59b30cae/tumblr_nlcqzyMvqi1skwz29o1_1280.jpg << baby fat is best fat!
1290146;1443730937;mircea_popescu;lol, teens ?
1290147;1443731019;thestringpuller;is there something wrong with ephebophilia?
1290148;1443731032;cazalla;even fbi has better pics to entrap with than that mircea_popescu
1290149;1443731044;cazalla;looks at least 18 to me anyway
1290150;1443731430;ben_vulpes;https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=irs.gov&latest
1290151;1443731432;assbot;SSL Server Test: irs.gov (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1j3MJEQ )
1290152;1443731577;mike_c;whoops, now qualys gets busted for hacking.
1290153;1443731728;mircea_popescu;18 is still a teen!
1290154;1443731736;mircea_popescu;and ephebos are boys!
1290155;1443731949;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i though ephebos could be both female and male
1290156;1443731959;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289917 <<< pretty much what my missus did, she was up and around to the point i had to tell her to go, lay down
1290157;1443731959;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 15:11:05; diana_coman: maybe I was lucky or something but honestly all I needed was rest+food (both in huge amounts admittedly) and otherwise....
1290158;1443731978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3529 @ 0.00067535 = 2.3833 BTC [-]
1290159;1443732002;thestringpuller;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia << doesn't specify just boyz
1290160;1443732025;cazalla;plus the fact you have a new born baby to fawn over might do a lot for pain relief
1290161;1443732290;mircea_popescu;KL}.KklLLKL
1290162;1443732293;mircea_popescu;l
1290163;1443732293;mircea_popescu;Kl
1290164;1443732310;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: has cats?
1290165;1443732322;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1290166;1443732328;ascii_field;pampas cat.
1290167;1443732657;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290020 <<< haha totally expected, pretty sure BingoBoingo called it for happening this year (in pm)
1290168;1443732657;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 16:28:41; pete_dushenski: "CryptoCoinsNews, also known as CCN.LA, was launched in June 2013. After half a year with regular news updates, the site began to grow and started to employ talented journalists. After more than 2 years with 4 million unique visitors, 8 million sessions, and 18 000 000 pageviews, it is time to find a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further."
1290169;1443732727;mircea_popescu;eh this controller might be shot or wtf.
1290170;1443732745;mike_c;the keylogger is on the fritz
1290171;1443732751;mircea_popescu;that also
1290172;1443732767;ascii_field;pick up disconnected phone and ask ft meade for new one !
1290173;1443732767;mircea_popescu;nsa should stop buying chinese crap
1290174;1443732774;mircea_popescu;total spectrum damnation or what was it!
1290175;1443732785;ascii_field;!b 6
1290176;1443732786;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HT7QBD.txt )
1290177;1443732842;mircea_popescu;"2 years with 4mn unique visitors", da fuck is that even.
1290178;1443732890;mircea_popescu;"we compute daily unique ips and then add these across 700+ days because that's meaningful"
1290179;1443733421;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Tops 60 Billion For The First Time - http://qntra.net/2015/10/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-tops-60-billion-for-the-first-time/
1290180;1443733505;btcdrak;http://availableimagination.com/exploiting-ripple-transaction-ordering-for-fun-and-profit/
1290181;1443733506;assbot;Exploiting Ripple Transaction Ordering For Fun And Profit ... ( http://bit.ly/1jBduR1 )
1290182;1443733551;BingoBoingo;btcdrak: You mean RipLoL is still around?
1290183;1443733579;btcdrak;they renamed it to cRIPple
1290184;1443733586;mircea_popescu;ripple is such fucking braindamage anyway
1290185;1443733617;mircea_popescu;"Ripple transactions are serializable to a custom binary format that is cryptographically hashed and then signed by one of two schemes (ECDSA and EdDSA). This signature is then inserted back into the binary serialized form which is hashed again to produce a transaction id through which it can be uniquely identified. Transactions are submitted to a rippled node, which verifies that the signature matches the public key a
1290186;1443733617;mircea_popescu;nd the hash of the public key (account id) and if the signature is good, it disseminates the transaction to the other rippled nodes operating on the same network that it knows about. These instances pass that transaction on to nodes that it did not receive it from and this flooding should result in it being considered for adoption in a ledger by the validators running in the network by the process of consensus. All non
1290187;1443733618;mircea_popescu;-validating nodes do actually process the transactions, but only the agreed ledger of the trusted validators counts for all intents and purposes."
1290188;1443733625;mircea_popescu;just this much, which is, incidentally, an accurate description.
1290189;1443733632;mircea_popescu;what the fuck more. the whole thing's one huge bug.
1290190;1443733868;mircea_popescu;anyway. good stuff.
1290191;1443733898;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290123 <<< viral marketing for metal gear game
1290192;1443733898;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 18:57:12; mircea_popescu: and head transplants.
1290193;1443733946;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ lol 14:1
1290194;1443733947;assbot;BitBet - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.03 B (7%) on Yes, 14.42 B (93%) on No | closing in 7 months 1 week| weight: 97`487 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1jBeTXy )
1290195;1443733948;mircea_popescu;poor guy.
1290196;1443734054;BingoBoingo;Still BitBet's favorite candidate https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/
1290197;1443734055;assbot;BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (63%) on Yes, 0.32 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 96`125 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 )
1290198;1443734078;mircea_popescu;wow srsly ?
1290199;1443734082;mircea_popescu;is this the black doctor guy ?
1290200;1443734100;BingoBoingo;Nah, he's the tan hispanic guy
1290201;1443734109;mircea_popescu;a
1290202;1443734111;BingoBoingo;Then there's Ted Cruz the light hispanic guy
1290203;1443734467;ben_vulpes;regarding the carveout, did we do the 1970 clean air carveout from criminal charges for car manufacturers?
1290204;1443734499;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2015#1286828 << carveout in question
1290205;1443734499;assbot;Logged on 28-09-2015 06:01:54; mircea_popescu: "So those vehicles -- 11 million of them and counting -- are damaged goods. They will *never* be able to meet environmental regulations. That means either (a) they'll need to be taken off the road or (b) environmental regulations will need to be rewritten to include a carve-out for VW diesel owners." << or ship them to pakistan.
1290206;1443734522;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1290207;1443734759;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: overhyped nyooz item. the civil fines (usa and other) still apply; and the machines still on the dealer lots will be reflashed into worthlessness
1290208;1443734780;ascii_field;as will any brought in for repair
1290209;1443734794;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: i am, btw, at a loss as to why that box isn't responding.
1290210;1443734806;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: router ?
1290211;1443734808;ben_vulpes;but have not dug in detail either.
1290212;1443734821;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: "router"
1290213;1443734827;ben_vulpes;bbl
1290214;1443735757;ascii_field;https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=546 << Run Moar Antivirus !
1290215;1443735759;assbot;Issue 546 -  google-security-research -  Avast Antivirus: X.509 Error Rendering Command Execution -  Google Security Research - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1jBjoSa )
1290216;1443736266;mircea_popescu;"Following the 2008 elections, then President-elect Barack Obama rang Ros-Lehtinen to congratulate her on her re-election. She hung up on him, believing that it was a prank call from a radio station. She did the same to Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel when he rang to confirm the original call was genuine, and only accepted the call after Congressman Howard Berman managed to speak to her."
1290217;1443736293;mircea_popescu;random but rather fine balancing example for all teh usg agency lulz in here.
1290218;1443736431;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1290219;1443736501;ascii_field;where was this
1290220;1443736849;mircea_popescu;florida. woman's the first republican to support same sex marriage.
1290221;1443736883;ascii_field;snoar.
1290222;1443737027;mircea_popescu;right, because why confront the fact that it's a great day when these muppets manage to find each other's phone numbers.
1290223;1443737040;mircea_popescu;much better to dream up cohesive activity and whatnot. from whom ?
1290224;1443737073;mircea_popescu;it's an accident they even manage to meet. if it weren't fixed by tradition they gotta groan in the swamps of washington they'd prolly take two decades to get the damned senate in session.
1290225;1443737089;ascii_field;if i knew 'from whom', a) no one would believe, why should they b) i'd hang from a pipe somewhere 'accidentally'
1290226;1443737175;ascii_field;but davos meets yearly, and bohemian grove - more often, iirc
1290227;1443737180;ascii_field;and devil knows what else, when.
1290228;1443737206;mircea_popescu;so far r(intentions, actions) = 0.5 and r(actions,results) also= 0.5. within three or even four decimal points. exactly same as throwing darts.
1290229;1443737244;ascii_field;whose intentions/actions ?
1290230;1443737297;mircea_popescu;any specified set.
1290231;1443737316;mircea_popescu;(that is larger than half a dozen members or so)
1290232;1443737373;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently statistical divergence is marked with D in american. so s/r/D/
1290233;1443737535;ascii_field;so far all i see is their victories. they destroyed linux. all but abolished - at least as far as the naked eye is concerned - actual bitcoin. etc
1290234;1443737556;mircea_popescu;linux destroyed itself.
1290235;1443737572;ascii_field;everything killed by lizards 'kills itself'
1290236;1443737581;ascii_field;e.g., su
1290237;1443737593;mircea_popescu;mno, vice versa. everything that goes to shit because people are weak and stupid and lazy, you allocate to some imaginary lizard
1290238;1443737600;ascii_field;they just supply the pistol, the cartridge, the hand
1290239;1443737600;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's more palatable than admitting people suck.
1290240;1443737607;ascii_field;people suck.
1290241;1443737612;ascii_field;but often they live anyway.
1290242;1443737624;mircea_popescu;well they don't need any gremlins to make their tits sag.
1290243;1443737637;mircea_popescu;tits sag naturally after a while.
1290244;1443737657;ascii_field;when the tits drop through the floor five seconds after unharnessing, it is not unreasonable to look for who pulled
1290245;1443737709;mircea_popescu;to look, no
1290246;1443737709;ascii_field;and what imaginary. drepper lives.
1290247;1443737719;ascii_field;and a hundred others.
1290248;1443737754;mircea_popescu;sure. like orlov, locklin and eric what's his face. they all live.
1290249;1443737757;mircea_popescu;hurr durr.
1290250;1443737770;mircea_popescu;of course they live. it's fucking impossible for most derps to even die anymore.
1290251;1443737804;ascii_field;nah, idea is, drepper is a real live face on the murder of linux
1290252;1443737858;mircea_popescu;maggot did not cause the corpse.
1290253;1443737901;mircea_popescu;the difference between linux and bitcoin is that gavin;s a laughingstock and erm is invited speaker, and hearn's barely a shitstain whereby drepper took a decade to be worked out of the thing.
1290254;1443738000;ascii_field;what then caused the corpse ?
1290255;1443738040;*;ascii_field bbl
1290256;1443738049;mircea_popescu;the fact that people suck. on the elite side, nobody was wise enough to use the stick. on the mass side, lazy and stupid.
1290257;1443738340;mircea_popescu;in other boobs, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3380b304f6316c4cfc4f37211fd2d120/tumblr_nkggtr06yL1slz5jso1_1280.jpg
1290258;1443738341;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4Wk54 )
1290259;1443738534;mats;http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/10/01/8
1290260;1443738535;assbot;oss-security - CVE Request: Unauthorized access to IPC objects with SysV shm ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4WFon )
1290261;1443738571;mats;https://www.7elements.co.uk/resources/blog/cve-2015-2342-remote-code-execution-within-vmware-vcenter/
1290262;1443738572;assbot;CVE-2015-2342 - Remote Code Execution within VMware vCenter ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4WKIB )
1290263;1443738720;BingoBoingo;Drepper was more Trypanosoma brucei than maggot
1290264;1443739176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.000685 = 6.165 BTC [+]
1290265;1443740137;jurov;regardless of what kind of bug, I see alf's conviction that "sane ppl would never allow him to..."
1290266;1443740165;jurov;which argument leaves me utterly unconvinced
1290267;1443740215;jurov;sane people either don't give a fuck or avoid engaging idiots
1290268;1443740503;ag3nt_zer0;hey y'all
1290269;1443740517;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/user/AcutePathogen69 << Probably Oregon shooter's reddit profile
1290270;1443740518;assbot;overview for AcutePathogen69 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNWHV1 )
1290271;1443740524;ag3nt_zer0;got fired today!
1290272;1443740563;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/3mimza/is_it_even_worth_it_to_wait_till_fallout_4/cvf90t6
1290273;1443740564;assbot;AcutePathogen69 comments on Is it even worth it to wait till fallout 4? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNWO2Q )
1290274;1443740569;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Fired from the school?
1290275;1443740580;ag3nt_zer0;by a school that has a suicided child molestor listed on its educational "philosophy" page
1290276;1443740593;ag3nt_zer0;bingoboingo: yeah
1290277;1443740603;BingoBoingo;Damn
1290278;1443740611;ag3nt_zer0;I don't "fit in"
1290279;1443740626;BingoBoingo;At least you aren't https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/3mi7er/couldnt_fap_today/cvf8oiq << "Sometimes i'm too depressed to even masturbate."
1290280;1443740627;assbot;AcutePathogen69 comments on Couldn't fap today ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNWYr2 )
1290281;1443740634;ag3nt_zer0;to the "positive discipline" totalitarianism based on love and tolerance and diversity
1290282;1443740665;ag3nt_zer0;haha
1290283;1443740668;ag3nt_zer0;fuck
1290284;1443740833;ag3nt_zer0;how could I have been so naive to have dedicated my time and energy to an ideal instead of just saying it was fucked, declaring it fucked like I knew it was, etc... I couldn't. At the base of my soul seemed to be choosing to "care" or "not care" way back when I decided against oblivian as a mentality... but, and I guess you guys know, it's so fucked
1290285;1443740975;ag3nt_zer0;these secular humanist animal psychologists do exhibit the arrogance of satan himself... they are so convinced of their moral superiority - they love the kids! - the behavior is out of control and ruins it for the ones who want to learn - and I stood up to that, firmly, and unapologetically
1290286;1443740977;cazalla;BingoBoingo, apparently he gave a warning on 4chan but who knows, mebe a troll
1290287;1443741008;ag3nt_zer0;but they "love" the kids
1290288;1443741010;ag3nt_zer0;man
1290289;1443741011;BingoBoingo;Guy seems retarded
1290290;1443741223;ag3nt_zer0;meanwhile, when they fucking leave me alone, and stop their premature luciferian meddling, I get letters like these, as a trained MUSIC teacher, SUBBING for ONE DAY: "Dear Mr. G,     Hello my name is [] and you have only met me once or twice. I just wanted to tell you that you have inspired me in more ways than one to continue my career in Chemistry. I hope to accomplish many goals in my life, and nobody has opened my eye
1290291;1443741228;ag3nt_zer0;as you have. The vast world can be traveled by multiple people. I hope you have a great time in India as you keep inspiring young people like me.       Your inspired student, "
1290292;1443741236;ag3nt_zer0;I tell you man
1290293;1443741273;BingoBoingo;ag3nt_zer0: Did you at least shit on the floor before leaving the building?
1290294;1443741331;ag3nt_zer0;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1U8CBBCcZ0
1290295;1443741332;assbot;Dead Can Dance - Severance - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNYz0d )
1290296;1443741405;BingoBoingo;So Oregon Shooter was a pussy who couldn't even keep up the schedule he offered Reddit. ""true an hero" I should know, i'm becoming an hero next week. " https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3k8963/anon_at_a_sleepover/cuxlqop
1290297;1443741406;assbot;AcutePathogen69 comments on Anon at a sleepover ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNYHwG )
1290298;1443741514;cazalla;http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443739727004-0.png
1290299;1443741514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNYWHU )
1290300;1443741546;BingoBoingo;Fuck.
1290301;1443741555;BingoBoingo;Goddamn media parasites
1290302;1443741608;ag3nt_zer0;  Severance The birds of leaving call to us Yet here we stand Endowed with the fear of flight  Overland The winds of change consume the land While we remain In the shadow of summers now past  When all the leaves Have fallen and turned to dust Will we remain Entrenched within our ways?  Indifference The plague that moves throughout this land Omen signs In the shapes of things to come  Tomorrow's child is the only child Tom
1290303;1443741617;mircea_popescu;<jurov> sane people either don't give a fuck or avoid engaging idiots <<< loser people. the lack of an idiot killing instinct is a larger character flaw than stupidity could ever be.
1290304;1443741621;BingoBoingo;ABout the shooter: "He looks collectively like every fat weird androgynous man who has contacted me on OkCupid." https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/556926/2670308
1290305;1443741623;assbot;Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNZb5R )
1290306;1443741679;mircea_popescu;what does that mean, "is it even worth to wait for fallout 4". what are they gonna do other than wait, make fallout 5 ?
1290307;1443741685;jurov;people with working idiot killing instinct don't code
1290308;1443741696;jurov;it's just not possible
1290309;1443741711;mircea_popescu;ya think ?
1290310;1443741725;cazalla;BingoBoingo, apparently that isn't him, just some dude called eggman they are trolling cnn with
1290311;1443741726;mircea_popescu;maybe theyjust destroy a lot of kbds while coding.
1290312;1443741740;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Oh
1290313;1443741755;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 so what do you do after beingfired by some school ?
1290314;1443741757;jurov;destroying kbds does not help
1290315;1443741797;jurov;to destroy idiots, i mean
1290316;1443741829;mircea_popescu;that's true.
1290317;1443741934;mircea_popescu;<cazalla> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443739727004-0.png << see pete, they be workin' them lists lmao.
1290318;1443741934;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNYWHU )
1290319;1443741945;mircea_popescu;no quarter, no mercy, push that list building. "be safe" hurr durr.
1290320;1443741986;cazalla;apparently he was asking em if they were christian before lighting 'em up so we might have us a brown shooter for once lol
1290321;1443742028;mircea_popescu;what's a brown shooter ?
1290322;1443742056;cazalla;kebab or mussi instead of white virgin or half asian/white
1290323;1443742078;mircea_popescu;a
1290324;1443742107;cazalla;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711 The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were christian," she wrote using the lower-case C. "If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs
1290325;1443742108;assbot;11 dead after shooting at Oregon community college - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1jBteTZ )
1290326;1443742156;mircea_popescu;clearly us campuses need to do more about the issue of campus rape.
1290327;1443742186;mircea_popescu;oh, and vawa saves!
1290328;1443742284;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu I am employed as a substitute in 2 other local districts so for the time being I will continue to do that - I guess keeping my mouth shut a bit more - just trying to save some money get out of this fallen intellectual hellhole for a bit... I know it's everywhere, but not nearly as bad as here I don't think - I just want to travel 2 yrs and record music and play music, read poetry and literature and engage i
1290329;1443742318;ag3nt_zer0;or perhaps has always been
1290330;1443742399;ag3nt_zer0;not that i really believe in the whole "my country" thing that much but just that whole thing about oblivion or caring and the world in a grain of sand
1290331;1443742548;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, can't you do almost all of that at home
1290332;1443742998;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/3mzma3/historias_de_taxi/ << lulz from the no es un pais pobre.
1290333;1443743000;assbot;Historias de taxi. : argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1jBuwOO )
1290334;1443743047;mircea_popescu;derp demands cab stops extemporaneously, guy takes too long (5 seconds!11) and ends up "overcharging" by 6 cents. (literally). derp throws fit, cabbie eventually figures not worth arguing with idiot. derp counts this as victory, for democracee.
1290335;1443743087;mircea_popescu;also complains that some other time the first mile fee wasn't "rounded down". one peso is, again, like six cents.
1290336;1443743154;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla yes I reckon i could...  i have allowed myself to develop a complex I guess - used to say I want to go somewhere where I don't understand the language at all and where no one knows my name, so as not to be reminded or dragged back into the language muck and the friendship (we know who you are) imprisonment complex - so the logos can come in again
1290337;1443743251;ag3nt_zer0;i was going to do the world backpack thing 9 years ago... but I was working in a pizza kitchen and this asshole was all serious about the pepperoni, and I had this image of coming back from seeing corpses on the side of the road in india and not really having much patience to take orders from some fool who gets bent by improper pepperoni placement
1290338;1443743262;ag3nt_zer0;so i went to school to be a teacher
1290339;1443743323;ag3nt_zer0;but, of course, schools are pepperoni pplacement factories! jokes on me haha
1290340;1443743527;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, why not tutor privately? at least your customers would be more interested in what's best for juniour
1290341;1443743605;cazalla;an anecdote from living where no-one knows me.. you don't have to contend with people you know who want to stop and chat, i like it that way
1290342;1443743606;mircea_popescu;not such a bright idea. he'll end up finding some 9 year old he really agrees with and doing a bonny and clyde remake
1290343;1443743686;cazalla;what does he do then mircea_popescu ? as far as i can tell, he wants to be paid for something that no-one is willing to pay for these days
1290344;1443743702;cazalla;no surprise you get sacked if you go into a public school and throw the curve, buck the status quo etc etc
1290345;1443743779;mircea_popescu;honestly... prison seems the best option anyway.
1290346;1443744007;mircea_popescu;pity the internet killed the "music industry", he could have had cussack's job in high fidelity.
1290347;1443744027;cazalla;http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443743121734.webm lol cnn
1290348;1443744780;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla: yeah private tutoring is a decent thought...
1290349;1443744784;cazalla;copypaste, did ya really bang a ftm pino? https://medium.com/@josh8chan/why-i-quit-8chan-former-lead-developer-tells-all-e67b3a4891f7
1290350;1443744785;assbot;Why I Quit 8chan: Former Lead Developer Tells All — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1O739Ya )
1290351;1443744858;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu yeah I hear grants are available for bringing choir music into prisons - thanks for the reminder
1290352;1443744883;cazalla;copypaste, and if you could confirm/deny the rest of the article, that'd be good too lol
1290353;1443744904;ag3nt_zer0;cazalla do you live in the states?
1290354;1443744965;cazalla;ag3nt_zer0, yes, but not on the mainland, the one down under (australia)
1290355;1443745100;ag3nt_zer0;yeah i just wonder if thats a level or two above the derpage that rules US now... both in it's public and private sectors
1290356;1443745131;mircea_popescu;from what he's telling it's worse.
1290357;1443745198;ag3nt_zer0;that is very difficult for me to imagine...
1290358;1443745211;ag3nt_zer0;but i dont doubt it
1290359;1443745306;ag3nt_zer0;scratch that, I doubt it hah...
1290360;1443745344;ag3nt_zer0;mircea_popescu: have you traveled to the US?
1290361;1443745348;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1290362;1443745378;ag3nt_zer0;wher and when if you dont mind me asking?
1290363;1443745472;ag3nt_zer0;the only time it had any semblence of vitality in the last 3 years was the 90s, but I suppose I just had the ears to hear as I get older
1290364;1443745481;ag3nt_zer0;30 years
1290365;1443745505;mircea_popescu;bout a decade ago
1290366;1443745514;mircea_popescu;most of the east coast, from nh to tx
1290367;1443745842;ag3nt_zer0;traveling alone or with group? any distinct impressions from the american "character" hahahaha?
1290368;1443745861;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/8YiyG.jpg
1290369;1443745862;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O75rGQ )
1290370;1443746031;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.juliusevola.it/risorse/template.asp?cod=154&cat=EVO&page=16
1290371;1443746032;assbot;Julius Evola | American "Civilisation" ... ( http://bit.ly/1O75L8z )
1290372;1443746063;ag3nt_zer0;some great passages in that^
1290373;1443746126;mircea_popescu;traveling with friends.
1290374;1443746789;BingoBoingo;!up desplein
1290375;1443747462;cazalla;damn, they locked down that shooters facebook profile really quick
1290376;1443747594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8998 @ 0.00068214 = 6.1379 BTC [-] {2} 
1290377;1443747623;mircea_popescu;and in random lulz, https://www.ethics.state.tx.us/tedd/2015_Lobby_List_by_Lobbyists.pdf
1290378;1443748448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00067552 = 8.444 BTC [-] {3} 
1290379;1443750522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00068452 = 2.3958 BTC [+]
1290380;1443751290;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290040 << yes please ! in fact, i was there a year ago pretty much to the day and can vouch for the high quality food, girls, accomodations, and exceedingly reasonable prices
1290381;1443751290;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: maybe lithuania.
1290382;1443751362;pete_dushenski;i'd recommend kaunus as the pick of the lot. less touristy than vilnius, more amenities and services than klaipeda.
1290383;1443751376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00067966 = 6.8985 BTC [-] {2} 
1290384;1443751493;pete_dushenski;kaunus is only 104km from vilnius international airport too
1290385;1443751549;pete_dushenski;looks like the best flight deals for march 2016 are about $900 and 18hrs in the air from here. definitely manageable.
1290386;1443751608;pete_dushenski;i don't think i ever posted my photos of kaunus on contravex... hm. let's see if i can do something about that.
1290387;1443751742;pete_dushenski;yup, just checked. riga and jurmala, latvia, but no lithuania posted.
1290388;1443751787;pete_dushenski;hm. more crying. thought i had this one in the bag. bbias.
1290389;1443754243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00067607 = 3.5156 BTC [-] {2} 
1290390;1443754731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00067966 = 3.4663 BTC [+]
1290391;1443755604;mats;the martian 8/10
1290392;1443756378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00068126 = 3.3722 BTC [+]
1290393;1443756439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00068322 = 6.6272 BTC [+] {2} 
1290394;1443756570;copypaste;cazalla: @josh8chan isn't one of our twitter accounts
1290395;1443756583;copypaste;a troll wrote that to bait people, it worked
1290396;1443756603;copypaste;i also thought it was funny, but the part about red hat was over the top
1290397;1443757537;BingoBoingo;cazalla: See, you Aussies are the labrats http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html
1290398;1443757539;assbot;Gun control: After Connecticut shooting, could Australia's laws provide a lesson? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYRrtc )
1290399;1443757598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3415 @ 0.00067693 = 2.3117 BTC [-] {2} 
1290400;1443757789;BingoBoingo;http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/01/north-carolina-woman-identifies-as-blind-pours-drain-cleaner-in-her-eyes/
1290401;1443757790;assbot;N.C. Woman Blinds Herself Because She Identifies As Blind | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYSdXp )
1290402;1443757875;cazalla;BingoBoingo, oh yeah, retards with an IQ of 60 always manage to score critical headshots and kill 30 odd people all the time here!
1290403;1443757893;BingoBoingo;seriously
1290404;1443757948;cazalla;they also plead not guilty but are told they're pleading guilty anyway
1290405;1443758778;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1290406;1443758872;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290402 << hey in us tgey
1290407;1443758872;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 03:51:15; cazalla: BingoBoingo, oh yeah, retards with an IQ of 60 always manage to score critical headshots and kill 30 odd people all the time here!
1290408;1443758881;ascii_field;They can even disappear
1290409;1443758924;ascii_field;as the 2nd shooter at sandyhook did
1290410;1443759061;ascii_field;they even are able to retroredact newspapers, to unexist
1290411;1443759131;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290400 << aaand guess what inconvenient fact not mentioned or so much as alluded to.
1290412;1443759131;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 03:49:49; BingoBoingo: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/01/north-carolina-woman-identifies-as-blind-pours-drain-cleaner-in-her-eyes/
1290413;1443759164;BingoBoingo;Many
1290414;1443759179;ascii_field;nobody would amputationfetishize if it meant starvation in the gutter.
1290415;1443759229;ascii_field;ergo these are quite like the 'ima shoot off me own leg' folks in ww2 ru
1290416;1443759262;ascii_field;(auto death sentence if caught, incidentally)
1290417;1443759266;BingoBoingo;Exactly. Also the Fast Food is strong with that one
1290418;1443759690;BingoBoingo;In other news, look who is back https://i.imgur.com/m3lII4v.jpg
1290419;1443759691;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mE3v )
1290420;1443759794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00068149 = 4.7704 BTC [+] {2} 
1290421;1443759839;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290382 << what is the appeal of living in a nato-colonial bitch orcdom?
1290422;1443759839;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 02:02:42; pete_dushenski: i'd recommend kaunus as the pick of the lot. less touristy than vilnius, more amenities and services than klaipeda.
1290423;1443759863;cazalla;BingoBoingo, apparently it's bullshit, but i guess what else would you expect?
1290424;1443759873;ascii_field;i mean, it's one thing if you are obama's catamite and get appointed gauleiter
1290425;1443759893;ascii_field;but normal people...?
1290426;1443759941;BingoBoingo;Fresh sprats?
1290427;1443759956;ascii_field;i get'em here in mordor
1290428;1443759997;ascii_field;sprats come in can, which is for all practical purposes timeless & eternal.
1290429;1443760027;BingoBoingo;hmmm.... Though maybe there's be edible forms without can
1290430;1443760221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3204 @ 0.000685 = 2.1947 BTC [+]
1290431;1443760423;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Kaunus, Lithuania: the least terrible place for the conference, fourth edition. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/kaunus-lithuania-the-least-terrible-place-for-the-conference-fourth-edition/
1290432;1443760556;pete_dushenski;ascii_field perhaps these pictures will answer your inquiry ^
1290433;1443760575;pete_dushenski;barring that, there's always, y'know, going there and seeing for yourself.
1290434;1443760622;pete_dushenski;it's sorta ridiculous to propsose that living in a 'nato-colonial bitch orcdom' is somehow better than living inside nato's lower intestine.
1290435;1443760625;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1290436;1443760676;ascii_field;in the intestine, there are no illusions about where you are.
1290437;1443760728;pete_dushenski;now, i couldn't tell you whether mircea_popescu would seriously consider hosting the conference, fourth edition in lithuania or whether he was just throwing names at the wall for shits and giggles, but i'd be more than happy to go back.
1290438;1443760743;pete_dushenski;ascii_field illusions are in your head wherever you are.
1290439;1443760773;pete_dushenski;you'd be you regardless, and other people would be other people regardless
1290440;1443760824;pete_dushenski;there are plenty in dc who honestly think to themselves "oh what good fortune i have to live HERE and NOW"
1290441;1443760853;pete_dushenski;hell, there are ~far~ fewer who are happy about their station in lithuania.
1290442;1443760869;pete_dushenski;if anything, the delusions in the 'colonies' are vastly reduced.
1290443;1443760876;pete_dushenski;less padding in the cage, so to speak
1290444;1443760886;pete_dushenski;your face is closer to the grindstone
1290445;1443760937;ascii_field;i was speaking of the other thing - the 'nordicsystem' aspect where lithuania is only a going concern at all because of us state dept., nato, cia.
1290446;1443760953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00067466 = 14.3703 BTC [-] {3} 
1290447;1443760970;pete_dushenski;lithuania is a going concern ? in what way ? because it isn't part of mother russia ?
1290448;1443760992;ascii_field;those happy carefree street artists - hoiw come there is whgat to eat, for them?
1290449;1443761020;pete_dushenski;the kids i talked to there were all leaving to take jobs in germany and uk, there's basically nothing for them at home.
1290450;1443761030;pete_dushenski;housing bubble came and went.
1290451;1443761054;pete_dushenski;the sugary promises of western capitalism (as they understand it) along with it.
1290452;1443761108;ascii_field;at one point these folks had... industry. universities. etc. but these were colonial evils, evidently, and musted die...
1290453;1443761145;ascii_field;just as the language of the colonialist 'white man' had to go (ru)
1290454;1443761154;pete_dushenski;they still have universities, to be sure, but not quite enough to make an entire economy out of. though kaunus is pretty much a 'college town' i suppose.
1290455;1443761170;pete_dushenski;vilnius is tourist town.
1290456;1443761176;pete_dushenski;the rest ? not much afaik
1290457;1443761243;ascii_field;phun phakt (at least in latvia, but prolly in other baltic nazi pissholes) - 'demooocracy' was installed in slightly peculiar form - with language test
1290458;1443761279;pete_dushenski;non-ru lang, obviously
1290459;1443761285;ascii_field;the 40% or so of the population who didn't feel like learning to speak monkey, don't get to demoocracy
1290460;1443761290;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290170 << priceless :)
1290461;1443761290;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 20:52:25; mike_c: the keylogger is on the fritz
1290462;1443761297;ascii_field;vote or run for office etc.
1290463;1443761331;pete_dushenski;ascii_field that's the reverse of making sense, so your point is taken.
1290464;1443761377;ascii_field;minority rule was Baaaad in south africa but a-ok in killalljewsbeforegermanyevenasked land
1290465;1443761395;ascii_field;per usg diktat.
1290466;1443761446;pete_dushenski;minority rule is 'bad mkay' wherever and whenever it's the 'elite', otherwise, go, enjoy.
1290467;1443761488;pete_dushenski;make a big mud hut and send your daughters to be our nannies and your boys to be our labourers
1290468;1443761538;ascii_field;these people are the exact equivalent of that eye-gouging chick
1290469;1443761546;ascii_field;on national scale
1290470;1443761718;pete_dushenski;though that may be, there are far worse places for a get-together. far, far worse.
1290471;1443761728;ascii_field;ah that
1290472;1443761749;ascii_field;i don't much care if it is in antarctica, sure.
1290473;1443761783;pete_dushenski;i also think cuba could work
1290474;1443761808;ascii_field;now that'd be something.
1290475;1443761846;pete_dushenski;not least of all because it's been a half-dozen years since i was there and i was looking to go back this winter/spring anyways
1290476;1443761888;pete_dushenski;so why not stretch out my stay and put some faces to some screen names ?
1290477;1443761932;ascii_field;anyway it is my understanding that conf4 or whatnot can be expected to happen, if happens, in a place where mircea_popescu lives.
1290478;1443761991;pete_dushenski;i'm sure it'll happen. but perhaps 2016 is a leaped year..
1290479;1443762014;ascii_field;so if you want it in zanzibar, teach him the up side of living there...
1290480;1443762032;pete_dushenski;aha.
1290481;1443762416;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290290 << damn. guy's good.
1290482;1443762416;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 23:13:43; ag3nt_zer0: meanwhile, when they fucking leave me alone, and stop their premature luciferian meddling, I get letters like these, as a trained MUSIC teacher, SUBBING for ONE DAY: "Dear Mr. G,     Hello my name is [] and you have only met me once or twice. I just wanted to tell you that you have inspired me in more ways than one to continue my career in Chemistry. I hope to accomplish many goals in my life, and nobody
1290483;1443762472;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290317 << lol like pros !
1290484;1443762472;assbot;Logged on 01-10-2015 23:25:34; mircea_popescu: <cazalla> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443739727004-0.png << see pete, they be workin' them lists lmao.
1290485;1443762488;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1290486;1443762611;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290418 << nuts.
1290487;1443762611;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:21:30; BingoBoingo: In other news, look who is back https://i.imgur.com/m3lII4v.jpg
1290488;1443762758;pete_dushenski;https://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/publications/Bentham_Cookbook/index << if you thought prison workouts were unusual, how about recipes from the guy who developed the panopticon prison concept
1290489;1443762759;assbot;Jeremy Bentham's Prison Cooking: A Collection of Utilitarian Recipes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GmWW41 )
1290490;1443763881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4019 @ 0.00068018 = 2.7336 BTC [+]
1290491;1443763942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6131 @ 0.000685 = 4.1997 BTC [+]
1290492;1443764918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00067961 = 8.2912 BTC [-]
1290493;1443767036;punkman;"Officially, Shuping’s desire to be blind is labeled body integrity  identity disorder (BIID), an ailment where people with healthy bodies  strongly desire a disability.  Those who seek to become disabled in this way often are described, and identify as, “transabled.”"
1290494;1443767236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00068027 = 7.483 BTC [+]
1290495;1443767414;fluffypony;inb4 "I'm not gay, I'm transabled!"
1290496;1443767460;punkman;http://www.startupdaily.net/2015/09/builtwith-is-perhaps-one-of-australias-most-profitable-online-companies-and-has-zero-staff/ $1.2M in monthly recurring revenue
1290497;1443767462;assbot;BuiltWith is perhaps one of Australia's most profitable online companies and has zero staff - Startup Daily ... ( http://bit.ly/1WAY7Gr )
1290498;1443767499;punkman;not bad
1290499;1443767716;fluffypony;oh I love builtwith
1290500;1443767733;fluffypony;didn't realise they're ozzie
1290501;1443769161;punkman;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14363/14363-h/i.htm
1290502;1443769162;assbot;Error 403 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WAZBk1 )
1290503;1443769915;punkman;^ The Worst Journey in the World, Antarctic 1910-1913  by Apsley Cherry-Garrard
1290504;1443771812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00068167 = 2.454 BTC [+]
1290505;1443772055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.0006846 = 15.472 BTC [+] {2} 
1290506;1443773725;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.92510000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b24
1290507;1443773824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00068395 = 2.941 BTC [-]
1290508;1443774678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10332 @ 0.000685 = 7.0774 BTC [+]
1290509;1443775959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00068088 = 4.6865 BTC [-] {3} 
1290510;1443776020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5292 @ 0.00067918 = 3.5942 BTC [-]
1290511;1443776813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.000685 = 5.6513 BTC [+]
1290512;1443776996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00067918 = 3.4638 BTC [-]
1290513;1443780927;punkman;http://qz.com/515100/samsung-is-accused-of-volkswagening-its-tvs-to-oversell-their-energy-efficiency/
1290514;1443780928;assbot;Samsung is accused of Volkswagening its TVs to oversell their energy efficiency - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1PS0dh4 )
1290515;1443781094;punkman;https://0x.nu/
1290516;1443781095;assbot;Crypto challenge ... ( http://bit.ly/1PS0AYZ )
1290517;1443781266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00067698 = 18.9216 BTC [-] {6} 
1290518;1443782059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00068352 = 2.3581 BTC [+]
1290519;1443782425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00068352 = 5.4682 BTC [+]
1290520;1443783828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00068352 = 19.1044 BTC [+]
1290521;1443784560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00067749 = 6.47 BTC [-] {2} 
1290522;1443786024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00067432 = 5.3581 BTC [-]
1290523;1443787061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00068156 = 9.4737 BTC [+]
1290524;1443787793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00067627 = 2.8403 BTC [-]
1290525;1443788939;jurov;volkswagening, rly?
1290526;1443789378;punkman;http://img.gagdaily.com/uploads/posts/edu/2013/0000cde0_big.jpg
1290527;1443789379;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M63C8t )
1290528;1443789379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00067418 = 2.5619 BTC [-]
1290529;1443789416;punkman;jurov: sure why not
1290530;1443790004;BingoBoingo;http://laredcubana.blogspot.com/2015/09/cuban-infrastructure-investment-china.html << China doing Cuban internet
1290531;1443790005;assbot;The Internet in Cuba: Cuban infrastructure investment -- China won the first round ... ( http://bit.ly/1M64ytt )
1290532;1443791270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00067418 = 5.7979 BTC [-]
1290533;1443792185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00067627 = 2.0964 BTC [+]
1290534;1443796149;thestringpuller;;;seen jurov
1290535;1443796149;gribble;jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours and 9 seconds ago: <jurov> volkswagening, rly?
1290536;1443797431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00067391 = 5.7619 BTC [-] {2} 
1290537;1443797916;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b25
1290538;1443798346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1773 @ 0.00067627 = 1.199 BTC [+]
1290539;1443798468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00067959 = 2.7918 BTC [+]
1290540;1443799078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6355 @ 0.00067925 = 4.3166 BTC [-]
1290541;1443799688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00067419 = 7.9554 BTC [-] {2} 
1290542;1443800054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00067384 = 5.3907 BTC [-]
1290543;1443801310;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1290544;1443801451;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290515 << this puzzle is - contrary to what is implied - entirely unrelated to public key crypto
1290545;1443801451;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 10:18:14; punkman: https://0x.nu/
1290546;1443801454;ascii_field;(it is not used)
1290547;1443801762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00067388 = 29.3812 BTC [+] {6} 
1290548;1443803348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1562 @ 0.00067959 = 1.0615 BTC [+]
1290549;1443803409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1538 @ 0.00068161 = 1.0483 BTC [+]
1290550;1443803836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3362 @ 0.00068161 = 2.2916 BTC [+]
1290551;1443803897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10238 @ 0.000684 = 7.0028 BTC [+] {2} 
1290552;1443804893;deedbot-;[Qntra] Malleability Issues Continue Testing Zero-conf Faithful - http://qntra.net/2015/10/malleability-issues-continue-testing-zero-conf-faithful/
1290553;1443805483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00067699 = 9.9856 BTC [-] {2} 
1290554;1443805971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7201 @ 0.00067898 = 4.8893 BTC [+] {2} 
1290555;1443806398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14208 @ 0.000685 = 9.7325 BTC [+]
1290556;1443806520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.000685 = 3.151 BTC [+]
1290557;1443807923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00067316 = 5.0824 BTC [-] {2} 
1290558;1443808351;BingoBoingo;Oh, look what's being syndicated in a bunch of small town newspapers today: https://archive.is/7rGkN
1290559;1443808352;assbot;Russians see their Syria foray as lonely stand for future of civilization | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1WC19do )
1290560;1443808655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00067603 = 2.6879 BTC [+]
1290561;1443809875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2826 @ 0.00067312 = 1.9022 BTC [-]
1290562;1443809936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3374 @ 0.00067286 = 2.2702 BTC [-]
1290563;1443810418;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/#/channel205/AgentScully
1290564;1443810418;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYirOW )
1290565;1443810452;Naphex;this girl knows linux and can compile from scratch :))
1290566;1443810726;thestringpuller;so why be a camgirl?
1290567;1443810851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00067286 = 1.6485 BTC [-]
1290568;1443811044;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: the google ad for AlphaWars in this context is funny.
1290569;1443811705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00067286 = 10.362 BTC [-]
1290570;1443812130;BingoBoingo;?
1290571;1443812140;Naphex;thestringpuller: maybe it pays better than teaching math and compiling shit :o
1290572;1443812349;thestringpuller;:D
1290573;1443812556;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: on the page you linked. google ad for some war game online
1290574;1443812645;BingoBoingo;Ah
1290575;1443812990;BingoBoingo;Looks like BitBet is Discounting Trump fast.
1290576;1443813230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00067603 = 1.9605 BTC [+]
1290577;1443813413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00067854 = 7.1925 BTC [+] {3} 
1290578;1443813718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10498 @ 0.000685 = 7.1911 BTC [+]
1290579;1443814694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.000685 = 7.672 BTC [+]
1290580;1443815121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00067208 = 9.8124 BTC [-] {2} 
1290581;1443815426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00067164 = 1.8806 BTC [-]
1290582;1443817134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00067164 = 5.541 BTC [-]
1290583;1443817533;punkman;http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/10/experian-breach-affects-15-million-consumers/ http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/10/scottrade-breach-hits-4-6-million-customers/
1290584;1443817533;assbot;Experian Breach Affects 15 Million Consumers —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5L01Q )
1290585;1443817534;assbot;Scottrade Breach Hits 4.6 Million Customers —  Krebs on Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5KYqM )
1290586;1443817576;punkman;"Experian said it will be notifying affected consumers by snail mail, and  that it will be offering affected consumers free credit monitoring  through its “Protect MyID” service. "
1290587;1443817597;thestringpuller;oh man I kinda hope my information got out
1290588;1443817607;thestringpuller;i hate paying for credit monitoring
1290589;1443818049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00067092 = 8.3194 BTC [-] {2} 
1290590;1443819254;punkman;!up ascii_field
1290591;1443819268;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1290592;1443819285;thestringpuller;how is news from the field ascii_field ?
1290593;1443819288;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/index.html << lulzy and probably worth mirroring
1290594;1443819289;assbot;GBPPR Homebrew Military & Espionage Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5M2uw )
1290595;1443819299;ascii_field;mostly classics
1290596;1443819412;thestringpuller;are any of these legit?
1290597;1443819440;ascii_field;depends what means 'legit'
1290598;1443819452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00067322 = 3.8374 BTC [+]
1290599;1443819458;thestringpuller;do they work as advertised?
1290600;1443819465;ascii_field;i have not tested them.
1290601;1443819484;ascii_field;the few that i looked at closely, do not appear to break any laws of physics
1290602;1443819496;ascii_field;someone had a good bit of spare time on his hands.
1290603;1443819510;ascii_field;good photos, too.
1290604;1443819529;thestringpuller;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/detect/index.html << this one seems interesting
1290605;1443819535;thestringpuller;for personal reasons...
1290606;1443819558;ascii_field;iirc i mentioned this specific effect before, here.
1290607;1443819599;thestringpuller;thread?
1290608;1443819613;ascii_field;don't have it handy
1290609;1443819619;ascii_field;and search, as usual, is worthless.
1290610;1443819670;ascii_field;re: earlier link: the ir imaging discussion at the bottom of the page is interesting.
1290611;1443819679;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/thermal/index.html
1290612;1443819680;assbot;Techniques for Countering Thermal Imaging Devices ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5MbhH )
1290613;1443819687;ascii_field;^ this, rather
1290614;1443819734;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/photoanglo/index.html << attempt to replicate 'photoanglo' radar-illuminated theremin-style bug described in snowden papers.
1290615;1443819735;assbot;GBPPR PHOTOANGLO Experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5Md9i )
1290616;1443819766;ascii_field;complete with part datasheets, discussion.
1290617;1443819806;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/photoanglo/obama_v_putin.jpg
1290618;1443819807;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPJviB )
1290619;1443819882;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/laser/index.html << typical lulz
1290620;1443819883;assbot;Battlefield Laser Warning Receiver ... ( http://bit.ly/1QPJueD )
1290621;1443819895;ascii_field;^ worth reading for the pictures alone
1290622;1443819916;*;trinque begins his journey back to the land of slightly more capitalism
1290623;1443819942;trinque;got a GPS receiver and foxtrotgps going; traveling in style
1290624;1443820065;ascii_field;speaking of - http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/gps1/index.html
1290625;1443820066;assbot;Device for Detecting GPS Receivers ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5Mmtu )
1290626;1443820291;ascii_field;the 'defend the motherland' theme is extra-lulzy
1290627;1443820312;ascii_field;possibly the first time i see something resembling a thinking man in usa with this particular affliction.
1290628;1443820542;BingoBoingo;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/commie_counter/index.html
1290629;1443820543;assbot;Commie Counter ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5Mvx4 )
1290630;1443820549;thestringpuller;LOL
1290631;1443820586;thestringpuller;i love the name of it
1290632;1443820634;ascii_field;very 'cheap and angry' - but for the most part reasonable, entertainingly commented, buildable, and - very unusually - often ~original~.
1290633;1443821028;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/non/index.html << build njd !
1290634;1443821029;assbot;GBPPR Non-Linear Junction Detector ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5MNDT )
1290635;1443821034;ascii_field;!s nonlinear junction
1290636;1443821040;assbot;10 results for 'nonlinear junction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nonlinear+junction
1290637;1443821044;ascii_field;^ it
1290638;1443821123;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1290639;1443821187;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/parport_bug/index.html << this works great, i have personally tried it.
1290640;1443821187;assbot;Parallel Port Bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5MQQl )
1290641;1443821199;ascii_field;caveat is that not all ppt will source the necessary current.
1290642;1443821208;ascii_field;aaaand you need a Real Computer that ~has~ the port.
1290643;1443821299;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/doppler/index.html << doppler stethoscope, as seen in sapper class.
1290644;1443821300;assbot;GBPPR Doppler Stethoscope for E.O.D. Applications ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5MXLD )
1290645;1443821345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14246 @ 0.00067458 = 9.6101 BTC [+]
1290646;1443821420;BingoBoingo;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/taser/index.html << Taser proofing
1290647;1443821421;assbot;Anti-TASER Clothing Experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5N1eu )
1290648;1443821429;ascii_field;eh that one's old hat.
1290649;1443821559;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/ceramic/index.html << new use for 1980s ic. that - i admit - never thought of before.
1290650;1443821560;assbot;Improvised Ceramic Weapons ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5N4Xz )
1290651;1443821580;BingoBoingo;nice
1290652;1443821593;ascii_field;i can already picture a classically apocalyptic landscape where 1980s micros are unearthed... for arrowheads.
1290653;1443821702;ascii_field;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/gps4/index.html << ~passive~ gps jam via rebroadcast.
1290654;1443821703;assbot;GPS Delay Spoofing Experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5Nai3 )
1290655;1443821720;ascii_field;i personally had this idea. but never tested it, or wrote about it.
1290656;1443821725;ascii_field;hats off to this fella.
1290657;1443821776;ascii_field;'This overall concept does appear to work, but it's still very experimental.  And no, encrypting the signal will have no effect on the outcome, as this is a "layer one" physical attack.  The only way to really prevent this type of "spoofing" is to use a very directional GPS receiver antenna or an antenna system with very sharp nulls towards the horizon and proper polarization.  Also, since the transmitted "delayed" signal
1290658;1443821776;ascii_field;can have a higher received power level then a signal received directly from the GPS satellite (approx. -130 dBm), GPS receivers should start tracking the received power.'
1290659;1443821894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5260 @ 0.00067086 = 3.5287 BTC [-] {2} 
1290660;1443821955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22840 @ 0.00066934 = 15.2877 BTC [-] {4} 
1290661;1443822341;BingoBoingo;http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20050423-9999-1m23cartoon.html
1290662;1443822343;assbot;SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Mexico -- U.S. lawmen aren't laughing at cartoon ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5Nv45 )
1290663;1443822901;BingoBoingo;http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/ceramic/knife/index.html << Liquids on airplanes ban explained
1290664;1443822902;assbot;Ceramic Knife Experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1j5NLjx )
1290665;1443822986;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1290666;1443823541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2154 @ 0.00067458 = 1.453 BTC [+]
1290667;1443823968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00067449 = 6.981 BTC [-] {2} 
1290668;1443824334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00068492 = 6.0273 BTC [+]
1290669;1443824439;punkman;http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/WATCH-Fleeing-Motorcyclist-Texts-Rides-With-No-Hands-During-Chase-330413561.html
1290670;1443824440;assbot;WATCH: Fleeing Motorcyclist Texts, Rides With No Hands During Chase  | NBC 6 South Florida ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gpm1eJ )
1290671;1443825615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5181 @ 0.000685 = 3.549 BTC [+]
1290672;1443826287;cazalla;15 year old light up a police officer in sydney yesterday evening, point blank to back of head too!
1290673;1443826306;cazalla;http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/parramatta-shooting-multiple-shots-fired-outside-police-hq-on-charles-street/story-fns0kb1g-1227554824011
1290674;1443826307;assbot;Parramatta shooting: shots fired outside police headquarters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pacgbe )
1290675;1443826332;cazalla;ah staffer, but still, one of them
1290676;1443827395;kakobrekla;any pci-e nic on the market left that doesnt need to be accompanied by a binary?
1290677;1443828421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9502 @ 0.00068493 = 6.5082 BTC [-]
1290678;1443829153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23164 @ 0.00068289 = 15.8185 BTC [-] {2} 
1290679;1443829672;punkman;kakobrekla: didn't find anything last time I looked
1290680;1443830129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00068199 = 4.6716 BTC [-]
1290681;1443830155;DanyAlos;It's been a while since I logged in the last time. Have you guys addressed the PoM and Diamond issue? I didn'd find it in the logs.
1290682;1443830271;kakobrekla;http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/?
1290683;1443830273;assbot;Intel Ethernet Drivers and Utilities download | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaabNb )
1290684;1443830406;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1290685;1443830448;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290676 << rtl8111e (whole series)
1290686;1443830448;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 23:09:55; kakobrekla: any pci-e nic on the market left that doesnt need to be accompanied by a binary?
1290687;1443830464;ascii_field;fuck intel.
1290688;1443830491;ascii_field;8111d and f also ok
1290689;1443830505;ascii_field;and 8168/69.
1290690;1443830542;ascii_field;(i assume kakobrekla is interested in Gb cards only)
1290691;1443830564;kakobrekla;yeah
1290692;1443830574;kakobrekla;didnt check beforehand, got 8168 in hand
1290693;1443830578;kakobrekla;to the bin!
1290694;1443830616;kakobrekla;wait wat
1290695;1443830668;kakobrekla;where is the source for 8168?
1290696;1443830673;ascii_field;just about any realtek works blobless
1290697;1443830687;kakobrekla;this one refuses.
1290698;1443830699;ascii_field;in linux kernel. fuck, even plan9 !
1290699;1443830734;ascii_field;i have even msdos driver somewhere.
1290700;1443830794;kakobrekla;well this is odd.
1290701;1443830922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3991 @ 0.000685 = 2.7338 BTC [+]
1290702;1443831002;ascii_field;see if the pci id matches what is in the kernel src
1290703;1443832715;kakobrekla;the way i see it i need rtl8168e-2.fw but it can be built apparently
1290704;1443835497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.000685 = 2.877 BTC [+]
1290705;1443840987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00068222 = 5.219 BTC [-] {2} 
1290706;1443841536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30013 @ 0.00067716 = 20.3236 BTC [-] {4} 
1290707;1443841887;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_092015.txt.asc
1290708;1443841891;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1290709;1443842634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00067804 = 7.4245 BTC [+]
1290710;1443843915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5070 @ 0.00067804 = 3.4377 BTC [+]
1290711;1443844708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13430 @ 0.00067804 = 9.1061 BTC [+]
1290712;1443846355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0006741 = 2.2919 BTC [-]
1290713;1443846477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0006741 = 3.775 BTC [-] {2} 
1290714;1443846706;ag3nt_zer0;http://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/watch-the-emotional-moment-this-trans-teen-was-surprised-wit#.fp6v0p8Zr
1290715;1443846707;assbot;Watch This Trans Teenager's Emotional Reaction To Getting Her First Dose Of Hormones ... ( http://bit.ly/1YWwk5e )
1290716;1443846756;ag3nt_zer0;"“She squeezed me, and I stopped the camera so I could hug her back. Neither of us let go for what seemed like an eternity.”
1290717;1443846965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0006741 = 1.8875 BTC [-]
1290718;1443848073;mats;;;halfreward
1290719;1443848074;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 07:04:08 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 42 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1290720;1443849405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0006741 = 3.3031 BTC [-] {2} 
1290721;1443849527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0006741 = 5.7299 BTC [-]
1290722;1443849954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6787 @ 0.0006741 = 4.5751 BTC [-]
1290723;1443850442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00067512 = 4.3545 BTC [+]
1290724;1443853614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0006741 = 3.9435 BTC [-]
1290725;1443855871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8869 @ 0.00067409 = 5.9785 BTC [-] {2} 
1290726;1443856359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00067273 = 4.7764 BTC [-] {3} 
1290727;1443857518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067198 = 7.0222 BTC [-]
1290728;1443858616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6480 @ 0.00067512 = 4.3748 BTC [+]
1290729;1443860751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12393 @ 0.00067635 = 8.382 BTC [+] {5} 
1290730;1443860995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00067467 = 10.9971 BTC [-]
1290731;1443862337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34430 @ 0.00067383 = 23.2 BTC [-] {3} 
1290732;1443865204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00067162 = 5.7759 BTC [-] {4} 
1290733;1443865570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00066948 = 10.9125 BTC [-] {3} 
1290734;1443866729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00067728 = 8.3305 BTC [+] {2} 
1290735;1443867766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9633 @ 0.00067771 = 6.5284 BTC [+] {3} 
1290736;1443869086;mircea_popescu;doi zece doi zece
1290737;1443869089;mircea_popescu;hhhh-hola!
1290738;1443869108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00067842 = 6.9877 BTC [+] {4} 
1290739;1443869109;mircea_popescu;mp pirate radio coming to you loud an' clear from... mmm... a new undisclosed location!
1290740;1443869122;mircea_popescu;holy shit what happened to mpoe!
1290741;1443870328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00067903 = 4.176 BTC [+] {3} 
1290742;1443870450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23080 @ 0.00068118 = 15.7216 BTC [+] {8} 
1290743;1443870511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7533 @ 0.00068185 = 5.1364 BTC [+] {3} 
1290744;1443871207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290404 << how does THAt work
1290745;1443871207;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 03:52:28; cazalla: they also plead not guilty but are told they're pleading guilty anyway
1290746;1443871305;cazalla;mircea_popescu, legal aid plead guilty on his behalf or something
1290747;1443871310;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290418 <<< ahahaha. what the fuck ELSE would you expect the dude to do ? join the marines ? become a monk ? of fuckingcourse he's going to be right back at milking  social media and idiots' notions of "how the world is" because "iut should be" because "they think so"
1290748;1443871310;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:21:30; BingoBoingo: In other news, look who is back https://i.imgur.com/m3lII4v.jpg
1290749;1443871320;cazalla;was clearly too mentally deranged to be allowed to plead not guilty
1290750;1443871327;mircea_popescu;derp.
1290751;1443871360;mircea_popescu;this delusional system would work pretty well if they took it that final step and completely divorced it from reality. you know, just play with puppets in a room or something.
1290752;1443871397;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290421 << me would inquire as to how you know these things, but /me is just going to categorically intuit and arbitrarily deduce.
1290753;1443871397;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:23:59; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290382 << what is the appeal of living in a nato-colonial bitch orcdom?
1290754;1443871455;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290434 << well, for the uninvested, ridiculous. for the invested, more like a necessity.
1290755;1443871455;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:37:02; pete_dushenski: it's sorta ridiculous to propsose that living in a 'nato-colonial bitch orcdom' is somehow better than living inside nato's lower intestine.
1290756;1443871507;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290441 << this is generally the heuristic for a good place inhabited by smart people. when you're among derps happy to be there you're on a sinking cargo cultship.
1290757;1443871507;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:40:53; pete_dushenski: hell, there are ~far~ fewer who are happy about their station in lithuania.
1290758;1443871539;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290445 << dude gtfo, lithuania has more of a cliam to existence than fucking russia.
1290759;1443871539;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 04:42:17; ascii_field: i was speaking of the other thing - the 'nordicsystem' aspect where lithuania is only a going concern at all because of us state dept., nato, cia.
1290760;1443871547;mircea_popescu;it's both the original and the better ru, for that matter.
1290761;1443871773;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290496 << the funny thing about australia is that it is a CONTINENT where maling 10 mn a year REVENUE makes you one of the biggest. this internet clearly has helped the economy.
1290762;1443871773;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 06:31:00; punkman: http://www.startupdaily.net/2015/09/builtwith-is-perhaps-one-of-australias-most-profitable-online-companies-and-has-zero-staff/ $1.2M in monthly recurring revenue
1290763;1443871821;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to butter the bread : http://31.media.tumblr.com/a8b68f8799acef24d4dd48d3d26621c2/tumblr_nk6kjl2A711shsytco1_1280.gif
1290764;1443871822;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vutg0V )
1290765;1443871835;mircea_popescu;meh.
1290766;1443871836;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/a8b68f8799acef24d4dd48d3d26621c2/tumblr_nk6kjl2A711shsytco1_500.gif
1290767;1443871838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VutgOI )
1290768;1443871896;cazalla;ben kingsley back right?
1290769;1443871926;mircea_popescu;lol
1290770;1443871929;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1290771;1443871948;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290565 << hey Naphex tell her to show up here, show tits make .1
1290772;1443871948;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 18:27:32; Naphex: this girl knows linux and can compile from scratch :))
1290773;1443871960;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
1290774;1443871961;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )
1290775;1443871982;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290566 << NOT being a camgirl is the inexcusable stance, that needs explanation.
1290776;1443871982;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 18:32:06; thestringpuller: so why be a camgirl?
1290777;1443872026;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290571 << or maybe she's just an emotionally balanced, mentally healthy woman. as opposed to all the completely fucked in the head nuts that do not camho.
1290778;1443872026;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 18:55:40; Naphex: thestringpuller: maybe it pays better than teaching math and compiling shit :o
1290779;1443872068;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290575 << yeah it apparently favours jebbush! whodda thunkit.
1290780;1443872068;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 19:09:50; BingoBoingo: Looks like BitBet is Discounting Trump fast.
1290781;1443872335;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290646 << nonsense. wear chainmail.
1290782;1443872335;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 21:30:20; BingoBoingo: http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/taser/index.html << Taser proofing
1290783;1443872397;mircea_popescu;a  decently wrought small link suit weighs < 10kgs and offers immunity to all bladed weapons, electrically charged or not, today like it did 500 years ago.
1290784;1443872640;cazalla;mircea_popescu, weev trollin' 8chan, his response to that kickstarter shit http://i.imgur.com/7WkuFnK.png
1290785;1443872641;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQNzyf )
1290786;1443872661;mircea_popescu;heh.
1290787;1443872688;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290681 << you'll have to epxlain what you mean.
1290788;1443872688;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 23:55:55; DanyAlos: It's been a while since I logged in the last time. Have you guys addressed the PoM and Diamond issue? I didn'd find it in the logs.
1290789;1443873634;danielpbarron;my node is back up and at height=352722
1290790;1443873939;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290681 << yep http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-09-2015#1286738
1290791;1443873939;assbot;Logged on 02-10-2015 23:55:55; DanyAlos: It's been a while since I logged in the last time. Have you guys addressed the PoM and Diamond issue? I didn'd find it in the logs.
1290792;1443873939;assbot;Logged on 27-09-2015 16:16:35; punkman: " If I was to keep him from kidnapping those two women, which he'd do if I  didn't turn myself over to him, I was going to have to turn myself over  to the DOJ folks, so they could take the appropriate action to protect  those people, and maybe even figure out just who this sick fuck was, and  stop him." << cool story bro
1290793;1443873988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.0006781 = 3.4644 BTC [-]
1290794;1443874476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6035 @ 0.00067494 = 4.0733 BTC [-] {2} 
1290795;1443874560;mircea_popescu;am i missingsomething ?
1290796;1443874883;mircea_popescu;"A company known as “Red Hat” — famous for developing the Fedora linux distro — contacted Frederick (presumably at the behest of some alphabet agency) offering to sell what amounts to a keylogger program that could be inserted into infinity next’s code. It would store every single post made by every single user on a database run by Red Hat for the use of law enforcement agencies should they require. A
1290797;1443874883;mircea_popescu;fter a bit of research I learned that Red Hat is itself an NSA subsidiary, and that the same program has been used by 4chan since 2010. This was presented as an opportunity to �legitimize� 8chan, and thus remove it from the Google blacklist (and perhaps regain access to funding sites that have shut out 8chan).
1290798;1443874883;mircea_popescu;I was asked to insert this code by Jim personally. I was afraid to say no, so I said I’d get to it, but went straight home and booked a flight. 8chan had become a shadow of what it once was, and I wasn’t about to betray the userbase and become a lackey for the US government. To be honest, I don’t think Frederick wants this either — but what choice does he have? He is heavily disabled, alone in a foreign thi
1290799;1443874887;mircea_popescu;rd world country, and completely dependent on Jim. He�s trapped.
1290800;1443874889;mircea_popescu;Anyways, that�s my story. I wish it didn�t end this way, I really do. I had to move back in with my mother, who I don�t get along with, and now I have to find an actual job�but I felt obliged to tell you all the truth, and to apologize for the way things turned out. I won�t tell you to quit 8chan like I did, but you should at least know what�s really happening."
1290801;1443874896;mircea_popescu;check out josh the hero-man.
1290802;1443874903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33117 @ 0.00067822 = 22.4606 BTC [+] {7} 
1290803;1443874930;mircea_popescu;i thought the very notion of "kid that lives with parents" is built around "doesn't have any sort of character".
1290804;1443875022;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does archive.is or the fbi or whoever need special privileges to save webpages ?
1290805;1443876123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10139 @ 0.00068477 = 6.9429 BTC [+] {3} 
1290806;1443878700;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1290807;1443878748;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290739 << at last shenzhen ?
1290808;1443878748;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 10:45:09; mircea_popescu: mp pirate radio coming to you loud an' clear from... mmm... a new undisclosed location!
1290809;1443878773;mircea_popescu;hehe
1290810;1443878809;mircea_popescu;all i see r nekkid womenz.
1290811;1443878934;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290783 << compare cos of chainmail and conductive cloth! if the latter works against electric weapon just as well, the linked article is an advance
1290812;1443878934;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 11:39:57; mircea_popescu: a  decently wrought small link suit weighs < 10kgs and offers immunity to all bladed weapons, electrically charged or not, today like it did 500 years ago.
1290813;1443878946;ascii_field;*cost
1290814;1443878960;mircea_popescu;conductive cloth wears out.
1290815;1443878975;ascii_field;sure.
1290816;1443878990;mircea_popescu;also, conductive cloth does not offer low enough r to make the use of tazers dangerous for the criminals.
1290817;1443879039;ascii_field;it is in no case dangerous afaik.
1290818;1443879045;ascii_field;for the shooter
1290819;1443879052;mircea_popescu;hey jurov http://explo.yt/category/MPEx/F.MPIF << can has ?
1290820;1443879053;assbot;F.MPIF - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1WDrQOS )
1290821;1443879234;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290758 << speaking more of modern petroeconomics than 'who is the longest historical imperial cock'
1290822;1443879234;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 11:25:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290445 << dude gtfo, lithuania has more of a cliam to existence than fucking russia.
1290823;1443879260;mircea_popescu;eh, petrowhogivesafuck.
1290824;1443879350;ascii_field;the folks with no economy to speak of - collectively cleaning eu toilets ( ~half of male latvia, for starters) - might giveafuck
1290825;1443879462;mircea_popescu;i tohught we were discussing lithuania. but in any case : half of any male population is just there for the shredding. cleanning toilets, why not.
1290826;1443879473;mircea_popescu;bagging groceries in burbank, potheadding on reddit, whatever.
1290827;1443879497;ascii_field;can this recurse?
1290828;1443879526;ascii_field;(what of... remaining half's half!)
1290829;1443879570;mircea_popescu;the reason things like toilets, groceries, reddit etc  exist is to prevent recursion.
1290830;1443879585;mircea_popescu;(delays the first pass for long enough that the 2nd generation catches up.
1290831;1443879596;ascii_field;hm
1290832;1443879605;mircea_popescu;it is a very stable mechanism, readily comparable with the blockchain difficulty balancer in effectivity.
1290833;1443879639;ascii_field;oh and unrelatedly, do we do mandarin or cantonese now ?
1290834;1443879642;mircea_popescu;ie, once the internet hit the danger of recursion was significant (misspoken by the usual imbeciles as "a new age of communication" etc), but the problem self-sorted itself.
1290835;1443879653;mircea_popescu;before that, when radio hit idem, and self righted idem.
1290836;1443879958;ascii_field;now that was never righted.
1290837;1443880002;ascii_field;mass broadcasting made fully 8 in 10 candidates for biodiesel, possibly.
1290838;1443880024;mircea_popescu;nah. they were there before, they just got a new thing to do.
1290839;1443880029;mircea_popescu;advertisingexecutives or w/e.
1290840;1443880208;ascii_field;bbl
1290841;1443880218;mircea_popescu;jurov oh nm i see, it's on deedbot now
1290842;1443880237;mircea_popescu;deedbot- help
1290843;1443880246;mircea_popescu;what's your site beotch
1290844;1443880275;mircea_popescu;deedbot.org here we go.
1290845;1443881148;mats;http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4484
1290846;1443881151;assbot;Sex, Circuits & Deep House «  bunnie's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObdBhp )
1290847;1443881765;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) August-September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-august-september-2015-statement/
1290848;1443881857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.000685 = 8.1515 BTC [+]
1290849;1443884175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3552 @ 0.00067157 = 2.3854 BTC [-]
1290850;1443884297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00066723 = 16.7475 BTC [-] {5} 
1290851;1443885599;mircea_popescu;!up AgentScully
1290852;1443885639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12851 @ 0.00067119 = 8.6255 BTC [+] {3} 
1290853;1443885704;AgentScully;thanks!
1290854;1443885708;AgentScully;!register 5515 1668 7E08 CB0D 60CA 4A56 D9AE A701 9BAA D3FE
1290855;1443885708;assbot;That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
1290856;1443885828;AgentScully;!register 551516687E08CB0D60CA4A56D9AEA7019BAAD3FE
1290857;1443885828;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 551516687E08CB0D60CA4A56D9AEA7019BAAD3FE. This may take a few moments.
1290858;1443885828;assbot;Key 9BAAD3FE / "UserID" successfully imported.
1290859;1443885828;assbot;Registration successful.
1290860;1443885926;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-05-2015#1132274 > http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-august-september-2015-statement/#selection-311.0-311.119 > let's talk about it
1290861;1443885926;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 20:21:23; Adlai: mircea_popescu: how'd you like to open another PC?
1290862;1443885927;assbot;MPIF (F.MPIF) August-September 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oecgbh )
1290863;1443886899;AgentScully;Hi everyone, I am a math student, crypto enthusiast, and btc camgirl. I heard y'all like custom topless images for your channel. Is that so?
1290864;1443887684;kakobrekla;!up AgentScully
1290865;1443887692;kakobrekla;AgentScully sure is.
1290866;1443887715;adlai;AgentScully: what level math can you teach?
1290867;1443887745;AgentScully;I'm a senior undergrad math major.
1290868;1443887747;adlai;(you can make a pretty buck "tutoring" college students, if you're willing to tolerate the moral depravity of doing their homework)
1290869;1443887768;kakobrekla;prolly double rate topless ?
1290870;1443887785;adlai;insufficient liquidity for meaningful data
1290871;1443887786;AgentScully;Haha, I do that, with students anywhere from elementary to intro college students
1290872;1443887827;AgentScully;Easy $30-$40/hr
1290873;1443887863;mircea_popescu;AgentScully o hey there.
1290874;1443887875;mircea_popescu;wanna make a quick .1 btc ? just gotta write on your tits.
1290875;1443887892;AgentScully;Ha, yup.
1290876;1443887922;AgentScully;I would love to
1290877;1443887934;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is the hero bitcoin needs. subsidizes porn for the rest of us. thank you mircea_popescu
1290878;1443887946;mircea_popescu;AgentScully 39311fb6
1290879;1443887984;AgentScully;just that?
1290880;1443887998;mircea_popescu;aha.
1290881;1443888124;kakobrekla;if you are confused, the fb stands for facebook
1290882;1443888180;mircea_popescu;lol
1290883;1443888215;AgentScully;https://goseemybits.com/view/AnneKarine just if you want to watch me write it... not spam
1290884;1443888216;assbot;AnneKarine's Show ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObpxQi )
1290885;1443888253;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ if you want to see other girls with strings on their tits.
1290886;1443888254;assbot;I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )
1290887;1443888319;thestringpuller;i see cat ears
1290888;1443888348;AgentScully;there are cat ears
1290889;1443888357;mircea_popescu;what are cat ears ?
1290890;1443888407;AgentScully;why do you want women that have previously posted nude photos? not that I don't meet that requirement, ha
1290891;1443888459;mircea_popescu;to encourage women to post nude photos. well, more properly said, to make the funamental human failure of NOT having done so apparent to the dumbass prisses that haven't.
1290892;1443888545;thestringpuller;and we love you for it mircea_popescu
1290893;1443888566;mircea_popescu;who's we
1290894;1443888567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00066715 = 4.4699 BTC [-]
1290895;1443888623;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E09LU6XVyxs
1290896;1443888628;AgentScully;I wholeheartedly agree with you
1290897;1443888655;mircea_popescu;let's start a cult.
1290898;1443888715;mircea_popescu;psa : brie is THE omlette cheese.
1290899;1443888725;*;mircea_popescu just had kickass omlette.
1290900;1443889033;AgentScully;who just stopped in without flash?
1290901;1443889224;adlai;curl
1290902;1443889248;mircea_popescu;lol
1290903;1443889261;mircea_popescu;"without browser, either."
1290904;1443889267;AgentScully;lmao
1290905;1443889301;AgentScully;at least he still has #muh #freedoms
1290906;1443889334;kakobrekla;that was me
1290907;1443889360;mircea_popescu;Naphex
1290908;1443889445;AgentScully;where shall I send photo?
1290909;1443889501;mircea_popescu;got an imgur or something ?
1290910;1443889523;mircea_popescu;prolly should have your own blog on your own domain if you're serious about being in entertainment.
1290911;1443889553;mircea_popescu;!up AgentScully
1290912;1443889725;AgentScully;http://i.imgur.com/KhqfZ0y.jpg
1290913;1443889726;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obs2St )
1290914;1443889755;Naphex;sup
1290915;1443889762;Naphex;well there you go
1290916;1443889765;Naphex;straight from the source
1290917;1443889789;AgentScully;yeah, you are right - I just need to make the plunge and start working on a website
1290918;1443889799;mircea_popescu;pretty girl.
1290919;1443889801;mircea_popescu;your address ?
1290920;1443889821;AgentScully;1GB3N2B8s85R7EffA3C2m7rx4GMRuyPESo
1290921;1443889829;mircea_popescu;peso ? srsly ?
1290922;1443889842;kakobrekla;1GB of those.
1290923;1443889851;AgentScully;pls peso me
1290924;1443889863;mircea_popescu;where you from AgentScully ?
1290925;1443889869;AgentScully;TX
1290926;1443889890;mircea_popescu;and another piece of the puzzle of trinque's moving falls into place...
1290927;1443889899;mircea_popescu;!rate AgentScully 1 ask to see her tits.
1290928;1443889899;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d12edc46517d91c0
1290929;1443889924;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.AgentScully.1:6493aa9554942684abdd28d5c16f3704fe2cac32acd73ee66a991049a68057ae
1290930;1443889924;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for AgentScully with note: ask to see her tits.
1290931;1443889954;mircea_popescu;AgentScully you can self-voice now, you pm assbot !v
1290932;1443889961;AgentScully;thank you
1290933;1443890016;AgentScully;a reg moving to texas?
1290934;1443890040;mircea_popescu;one of the few not married with children, no less.
1290935;1443890047;mircea_popescu;say, do you also play video games ?
1290936;1443890092;AgentScully;I used to. but I am currently using only linux on an outdated thinkpad.
1290937;1443890115;mircea_popescu;aha
1290938;1443890131;AgentScully;once I get a new computer I really want to try SteamOS
1290939;1443890151;mircea_popescu;try eulora, i wanna see some topless reviews an' stuff.
1290940;1443890161;Naphex;AgentScully: how was the xotika experience?
1290941;1443890174;Naphex;had to do some builds today to fix some bugs :/ thats why the disconnects
1290942;1443890198;AgentScully;looks like something I could manage to run on this laptop
1290943;1443890216;mircea_popescu;xotika ?
1290944;1443890235;AgentScully;ah, yeah, I had an orgasm right as the server went down... nik was rather sad about it
1290945;1443890239;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.AgentScully.1:dd4ae182781db37e19939cc2d9fac9c710968cc1071bf488c233082abf7b3df6
1290946;1443890239;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for AgentScully with note: ask for a practical math lesson
1290947;1443890264;Naphex;mircea_popescu:  you didn't read logs? she was on xotika yesterday
1290948;1443890312;mircea_popescu;Naphex i r did read logs!
1290949;1443890402;AgentScully;no download link for this game?
1290950;1443890411;AgentScully;is it web based or something
1290951;1443890413;mircea_popescu;which site are you on?
1290952;1443890431;AgentScully;modb
1290953;1443890434;AgentScully;moddb
1290954;1443890437;mircea_popescu;http://minigame.bz/ << click where it sez  download.
1290955;1443890438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObsZKI )
1290956;1443890466;mircea_popescu;see also http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora
1290957;1443890469;assbot;Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Obt29b )
1290958;1443890584;Naphex;:o
1290959;1443890702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4877 @ 0.00067248 = 3.2797 BTC [+] {3} 
1290960;1443890846;AgentScully;I'm just going to wear a tshirt and walk around with this string on my boobs all day.
1290961;1443890866;mircea_popescu;lol
1290962;1443891245;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/abfcbbc0c57c8d9cd0ecd5651cf6092f/tumblr_njq8wytsIG1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
1290963;1443891247;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ObucBG )
1290964;1443891253;mircea_popescu;spring coming to buenos ayres.
1290965;1443891612;thestringpuller;aregentina has winters?
1290966;1443891633;mircea_popescu;sorta like it has economic activity.
1290967;1443891635;mircea_popescu;if you ask them.
1290968;1443891800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00068499 = 7.2951 BTC [+] {2} 
1290969;1443892047;thestringpuller;XT'ers are children without a babysitter: 17:05 < Aquentin> thestringpuller: the consensus rules are real easy to change
1290970;1443892616;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/4b5e677f5825e4a212628b528b96e195365dc0681d2b97e53fbb5e2d2ce9564a so theymos is part of mpex team now?
1290971;1443892705;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290934 << won't last
1290972;1443892705;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:34:00; mircea_popescu: one of the few not married with children, no less.
1290973;1443892776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.000685 = 11.508 BTC [+]
1290974;1443893229;Naphex;!rate AgentScully 1 Had a great show on XOtika.tv
1290975;1443893229;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4338999a2ee26579
1290976;1443893267;Naphex;!v assbot:Naphex.rate.AgentScully.1:84becc62e8cda5e16fe247929f29ce00e9796b37a3126306e0c66290f019aaf7
1290977;1443893267;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for AgentScully with note: Had a great show on XOtika.tv
1290978;1443894015;Naphex;!up AgentScully
1290979;1443894362;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7527 @ 0.00067201 = 5.0582 BTC [-]
1290980;1443895507;adlai;!down adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2015#1012180
1290981;1443895507;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 00:21:49; ben_vulpes: i'm just saying that i admire your persistence.
1290982;1443896281;AgentScully;agentscul.ly $118 >.<
1290983;1443896459;ag3nt_zer0;good morning all... is eulora working for mac yet? I went through that old wiki process a while back and wasn't able to get it running... I know phf was working on it ...?
1290984;1443896622;thestringpuller;AgentScully: assuming your nick is a reference to X-Files?
1290985;1443896660;AgentScully;it is
1290986;1443896675;thestringpuller;I didn't realize she was british until I saw the fall.
1290987;1443897029;AgentScully;http://www.autostraddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/gillian-anderson-punk.jpg
1290988;1443897030;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rnczij )
1290989;1443897145;AgentScully;gillian anderson and christian hendricks are both natural blondes
1290990;1443897151;AgentScully;just discovered this
1290991;1443899266;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 yeah, phf made it work. see the wiki
1290992;1443899283;ag3nt_zer0;yeah was just gonna say I saw that!
1290993;1443899291;ag3nt_zer0;nice phf! thanks!
1290994;1443899308;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1290995;1443899420;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290964 << that was fast! didn't like shenzhen much ?
1290996;1443899420;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:54:13; mircea_popescu: spring coming to buenos ayres.
1290997;1443899454;mircea_popescu;i couldn't understand a word they said.
1290998;1443899493;*;ascii_field liked the ulan bator idea
1290999;1443899499;mircea_popescu;y de el departamento other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/04543e1d00be43279c44250204a5edf5/tumblr_njkkplwLjo1u72nmco1_1280.jpg
1291000;1443899500;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M87yWp )
1291001;1443899503;mircea_popescu;it's fucking cold.
1291002;1443899505;mircea_popescu;permafrost.
1291003;1443899510;ascii_field;we could drink kumys together !
1291004;1443899533;ascii_field;straight from the horse.
1291005;1443899551;ascii_field;and cold keeps the riffraff out.
1291006;1443899600;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290936 << i think everybody in #b-a has one or more of these !
1291007;1443899600;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:34:52; AgentScully: I used to. but I am currently using only linux on an outdated thinkpad.
1291008;1443899621;AgentScully;http://i.imgur.com/xcLoztZ.jpg
1291009;1443899623;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M87F49 )
1291010;1443899642;AgentScully;Ha... I have 2 currently. Not all the used thinkpads I have owned in my life though
1291011;1443899670;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290912 << keeps cats ?
1291012;1443899670;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:28:45; AgentScully: http://i.imgur.com/KhqfZ0y.jpg
1291013;1443899690;AgentScully;someone in Mexico City went through the trouble of stealing a $200 tops thinkpad I had, thank god my hard drive was encrypted because who knows what kind of smut I lost.
1291014;1443899701;AgentScully;I have a cat
1291015;1443900034;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290868 << aha! i have phriends who live off this. it's a living.
1291016;1443900034;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 15:55:47; adlai: (you can make a pretty buck "tutoring" college students, if you're willing to tolerate the moral depravity of doing their homework)
1291017;1443900112;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290934 << plenty of us here i thought
1291018;1443900112;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:34:00; mircea_popescu: one of the few not married with children, no less.
1291019;1443900139;ascii_field;iirc only ben_vulpes, mod6, and pete_dushenski had children
1291020;1443900209;ascii_field;and diametric (who i know in meatspace); and possibly one more
1291021;1443900254;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290944 << correlated events ?!
1291022;1443900254;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:37:15; AgentScully: ah, yeah, I had an orgasm right as the server went down... nik was rather sad about it
1291023;1443900263;ascii_field;(drowned it?!)
1291024;1443900294;AgentScully;I accidentally the server
1291025;1443900358;AgentScully;I'm kind of sad no one liked my applied crypto pic
1291026;1443900517;ascii_field;AgentScully:  which pic ?
1291027;1443900535;AgentScully;http://i.imgur.com/xcLoztZ.jpg
1291028;1443900536;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M87F49 )
1291029;1443900608;ascii_field;AgentScully:  didja read it? or only do this ?
1291030;1443900616;AgentScully;lol. both
1291031;1443900665;ascii_field;AgentScully: any thoughts re: the S-boxes in GOST ?
1291032;1443900889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2965 @ 0.00067971 = 2.0153 BTC [+]
1291033;1443901131;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> and cold keeps the riffraff out. << i suppose i look pretty good in fur...
1291034;1443901154;mircea_popescu;but yes, i have a stack of old thinkpads. outdated schmoutdated.
1291035;1443901284;mircea_popescu;<AgentScully> I'm kind of sad no one liked my applied crypto pic << wait, you got piercings in the interim ?
1291036;1443901330;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1291037;1443901343;thestringpuller;ascii_field: on the field on a saturday?
1291038;1443901349;ascii_field;yes.
1291039;1443901365;thestringpuller;:(
1291040;1443901375;mircea_popescu;let the man earn his sprats
1291041;1443901443;mircea_popescu;diana_coman miner works perfectly! joy of joys!
1291042;1443901492;AgentScully;piercings are old... those were a pain in the ass
1291043;1443901531;mircea_popescu;yeah, nipple piercings universally reviled.
1291044;1443901618;diana_coman;glad to hear that mircea_popescu
1291045;1443901680;diana_coman;I must say it's quite a good feeling coming to see what it found while I was away :))
1291046;1443901692;mircea_popescu;what did you find ?
1291047;1443901721;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291042 < i thought pain in the nipples is worse than pain in the ass
1291048;1443901721;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:44:52; AgentScully: piercings are old... those were a pain in the ass
1291049;1443901729;diana_coman;nothing new this time, but still 1 sg ordinary and all sorts (wwb, ae ...)
1291050;1443901755;mircea_popescu;kako has a point, peritoneal piercing worse.
1291051;1443901780;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i wonder if your ordinary is the reason my q dropped from 303 to 300
1291052;1443901804;diana_coman;which ordinary (the sg is not yet mined) - do you meant the earlier wm and sm ones?
1291053;1443901828;diana_coman;I didn't get huge loot from either though (no mention in the hall of looters thing, lol)
1291054;1443901830;mircea_popescu;well, something. happened the past coupla hours.
1291055;1443901865;diana_coman;uhm, a bit weird
1291056;1443901964;mircea_popescu;o, and i found a clover. q131
1291057;1443901972;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291040 >> looked for rodari's thing where 'the poor man has seven mondays, the lazy man has seven sundays' but turned up instead the other old favourite by same, regarding 'what do trades smell like?' >> http://www.filastrocche.net/odori_mestieri.htm
1291058;1443901972;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:42:55; mircea_popescu: let the man earn his sprats
1291059;1443901973;assbot;Le Filastrocche: Gli odori dei mestieri ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pc0gGv )
1291060;1443901973;diana_coman;ooo, congrats
1291061;1443901978;ascii_field;it needs an update
1291062;1443901987;diana_coman;don't tell me you found it around the grass area though?
1291063;1443901988;ascii_field;e.g., what does programming smell of.
1291064;1443901996;mircea_popescu;diana_coman did so.
1291065;1443902011;diana_coman;ha ha, double congrats then
1291066;1443902021;mircea_popescu;ascii_field nowadays ? stale pizza and cumsocks.
1291067;1443902033;mircea_popescu;well... "pizza".
1291068;1443902065;ascii_field;ew
1291069;1443902077;ascii_field;street pizza.
1291070;1443902108;mircea_popescu;that;s what finance smells of.
1291071;1443902115;ascii_field;!b 2
1291072;1443902116;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1V0NX6T.txt )
1291073;1443902143;ascii_field;in my mind, programming smells of stale coffee soaked into carpets, of ozone, and of blown capacitor
1291074;1443902158;mircea_popescu;yeah, because you're just the guy to program capacitors.
1291075;1443902168;ascii_field;l0l
1291076;1443902182;ascii_field;most finance isn't carried out by street pizza either
1291077;1443902183;mircea_popescu;in unrelated references, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25puy-r24oM
1291078;1443902183;assbot;Dexter's Laboratory Talking Dog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8a7Yr )
1291079;1443902190;ascii_field;(at least not in present tense)
1291080;1443902207;mircea_popescu;ascii_field as the verse goes, "comunismu-ntii te-ajuta, tac tac tac, si apoi te executa, pac pac pac."
1291081;1443902215;ascii_field;ahahaha!
1291082;1443902223;*;ascii_field quite liked that one
1291083;1443902283;mircea_popescu;anyway. i can attest at some point programming smelled of listing paper (particular pigment scent at the time) and static dust.
1291084;1443902315;ascii_field;dotmatrix ink has a smell very certainly.
1291085;1443902345;*;ascii_field still owns a working 9x9 panasonic and a gigantic crate of perfa paper
1291086;1443902359;ascii_field;bzzzzkhhhhzzzz
1291087;1443902362;mircea_popescu;the old ones, you know, 8 dot
1291088;1443902405;ascii_field;i rather ~liked~ matrix printers.
1291089;1443902431;ascii_field;for the perfa paper, specifically
1291090;1443902437;ascii_field;where else can you print a scroll.
1291091;1443902439;mircea_popescu;well, the honeymoon.
1291092;1443902469;mircea_popescu;everyone rather liked theirwife when she was 20.
1291093;1443902669;ascii_field;so for unrelated reasons i picked up 4th ed. of stroustrup. the one with c++11. and lo and behold, it more or less obsoletes 'boost' etc.
1291094;1443902672;mircea_popescu;obviously, now /me is lost reading the bash. and therein, "asciilifeform: would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity.". which obviously i read "opacity" on first pass.
1291095;1443902686;ascii_field;l0l
1291096;1443902727;kakobrekla;that thing needs flushing
1291097;1443902761;mircea_popescu;let ascii do it. as per that selfsame discussion.
1291098;1443902769;mircea_popescu;let's make alf do everything :D
1291099;1443902792;thestringpuller;ascii_field: re: C++11; is it worth using?
1291100;1443902884;ascii_field;thestringpuller: theoretically
1291101;1443902923;ascii_field;thestringpuller: the committee took its sweet time lifting features from ada, functional langs (even lambdas…) etc. but does your compiler have them now ?
1291102;1443902941;ascii_field;iirc gcc has some. but not all. and probably not ~your~ gcc.
1291103;1443902950;thestringpuller;^^^ makes me wish I had taken more studies on compilers
1291104;1443902964;ascii_field;buy the dragon book
1291105;1443902975;ascii_field;or, if feeling modern and weak - appel.
1291106;1443903015;thestringpuller;ascii_field: I have it. Just too afraid to open it. (dragon book)
1291107;1443903046;thestringpuller;bought it in 2010 (methinks) and just never opened it cause I felt I was too stupid to understand the pages at the time. still feel that way.
1291108;1443903075;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in kazakstan... http://41.media.tumblr.com/21ac6667c16b0a2f04fcd1015686b594/tumblr_njuzkebZKS1qmb3uno1_1280.jpg
1291109;1443903077;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pc1x0a )
1291110;1443903085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00068224 = 2.1491 BTC [+]
1291111;1443903939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00068224 = 6.2084 BTC [+]
1291112;1443904255;AgentScully;I wasn't that turned on til I saw the guys having lunch at the other table, and then the eyes of the dog that looks like he has seen entirely too much
1291113;1443904793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17946 @ 0.00068224 = 12.2435 BTC [+]
1291114;1443905465;AgentScully;I'm chilling on xotika.tv, just if anyone wants to stop by
1291115;1443905586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00067635 = 3.2803 BTC [+] {2} 
1291116;1443905769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067376 = 5.9965 BTC [-] {2} 
1291117;1443905991;mircea_popescu;the dog looks pretty beaten.
1291118;1443906322;mircea_popescu;AgentScully so what do you do when you graduate ? actuary ? research ? academia ?
1291119;1443906460;mircea_popescu;an' a little something for pete, too http://40.media.tumblr.com/a06dc1b6a39dbc7a671858169c3d9551/tumblr_njbmd4Lqy61u72nmco1_1280.jpg
1291120;1443906461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WEhXAF )
1291121;1443906638;mircea_popescu;!up desplein
1291122;1443906664;mircea_popescu;in other news, the cftc / everyone else must get it into their fucking skulls that they do not have authority to regulate "futures" or "swaps" or anything else in the general.
1291123;1443906685;mircea_popescu;they very strictly and quite deliberately limitedly have autority over obsolete crap nobody cares about.
1291124;1443906732;mircea_popescu;there isn't an automatic relevancy renewal. they want relevancy, they pay homage and swear fealty.
1291125;1443906770;ben_vulpes;2023: #bitcoin-assets has migrated to xotika, queue to perform is longer than a human lifespan
1291126;1443906847;mircea_popescu;lolwut ?
1291127;1443906861;mircea_popescu;b-a is video now ?
1291128;1443906880;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1291129;1443906884;ben_vulpes;crystal ball lies sometimes man
1291130;1443906916;mircea_popescu;Augur: Uber for Knowledge
1291131;1443906934;mircea_popescu;ahhh the ethertards are something else.
1291132;1443906952;ben_vulpes;inb4 'average knowledge is retardation'
1291133;1443906986;mircea_popescu;it is.
1291134;1443907015;mircea_popescu;the average of gender is an abomination the average of knowledge is retardation.
1291135;1443907026;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the average painting is a fuzzy gray.
1291136;1443907061;mircea_popescu;the average tv show is what you get when  nothing's plugged in, that static buzz.
1291137;1443907114;mircea_popescu;www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8
1291138;1443907118;ben_vulpes;average bagel topping is a poisson schmear
1291139;1443907180;mircea_popescu;actually i now believe that to be dulce de leche
1291140;1443907258;ben_vulpes;subject of traditional b-a threads, the corvette started honking uncontrollably last night.
1291141;1443907281;ben_vulpes;the fix took less than an hour of time for disassembly, diagnosis, hardware store trip, fix and reassembly.
1291142;1443907297;ben_vulpes;and it was fixable with hardware store parts!
1291143;1443907308;ben_vulpes;well made old stuff rules.
1291144;1443907316;mircea_popescu;"and next time don't drool on the wheel" ?
1291145;1443907388;ben_vulpes;he's not even out yet, but i do plan to teach driving rather early
1291146;1443908392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16658 @ 0.00068218 = 11.3638 BTC [+] {3} 
1291147;1443909002;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2696 @ 0.00067154 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {3} 
1291148;1443909673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0006657 = 8.5542 BTC [-] {5} 
1291149;1443909909;ag3nt_zer0;BingoBoingo what does it mean practically to "wait for confirmation through mining before accepting a Bitcoin transaction."?
1291150;1443910066;ag3nt_zer0;this is just standard confirmation time? a general warning about services like bitpay?
1291151;1443910466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00066774 = 3.2719 BTC [+]
1291152;1443910832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00066774 = 5.4755 BTC [+]
1291153;1443911198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00066774 = 5.3419 BTC [+]
1291154;1443911320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00066774 = 2.5735 BTC [+]
1291155;1443913113;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOiZatlZtGU
1291156;1443913114;assbot;"Propositions as Types" by Philip Wadler - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gqenkb )
1291157;1443913211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00066497 = 11.105 BTC [-] {3} 
1291158;1443913761;mats;relatedly, am currently reading Gödel, Escher, Bach and its p good
1291159;1443914063;mats;that is, 'Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid' by Hofstadter
1291160;1443915224;thestringpuller;anyone fly drones?
1291161;1443915320;cazalla;thestringpuller, nope, but weev was on 8chan last night going on about strapping explosives to drones and similar ideas
1291162;1443915417;thestringpuller;which board?
1291163;1443915491;cazalla;pol of course http://8ch.net/pol/res/3496134.html#3499906
1291164;1443916322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00066481 = 3.6565 BTC [-] {2} 
1291165;1443916627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13053 @ 0.00066397 = 8.6668 BTC [-] {3} 
1291166;1443916997;thestringpuller;cazalla: http://8ch.net/pol/res/3496134.html#q3497967 << TIL he shills for Ubuntu
1291167;1443917542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13453 @ 0.00066357 = 8.927 BTC [-] {4} 
1291168;1443917635;cazalla;thestringpuller, could be the least of it!
1291169;1443918640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7240 @ 0.00066303 = 4.8003 BTC [-]
1291170;1443919799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0006654 = 2.3622 BTC [+]
1291171;1443922239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14587 @ 0.00066124 = 9.6455 BTC [-] {5} 
1291172;1443922912;mircea_popescu;ag3nt_zer0 it's just standard confirmation time. the problem with technology is that it works a certain way, which people actually understand. users, however, which are eminently NOT people, but fucking animals, don't care about all that. instead they "try" things, and then "come to expect" on the basis of you know, two attempts last Sunday. and then get all aggitated if their unfounded, poorly researched, biased, badl
1291173;1443922912;mircea_popescu;y conducted experiments get contradicted by practice down the line.
1291174;1443922917;mircea_popescu;and want "someone to do something about it".
1291175;1443922924;mircea_popescu;ie, something else than hit them over the head.
1291176;1443922974;mircea_popescu;this is incidentally exactly how does cross the road.
1291177;1443923044;mircea_popescu;cazalla time to troll with http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/ ?
1291178;1443923045;assbot;Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYL7D2 )
1291179;1443923113;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the "took bitch shopping, now she gotta earn it" line, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9b5daf5e77e71674d4eab1a34b11d1a5/tumblr_nii067lpb81u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
1291180;1443923114;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYLcqg )
1291181;1443924618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00065882 = 3.1953 BTC [-] {2} 
1291182;1443925289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00066517 = 5.1883 BTC [+] {3} 
1291183;1443925594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00065867 = 24.7001 BTC [-] {5} 
1291184;1443925899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00065822 = 6.5822 BTC [-]
1291185;1443926021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00065785 = 8.7494 BTC [-] {3} 
1291186;1443927424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11487 @ 0.00065619 = 7.5377 BTC [-] {3} 
1291187;1443927607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00065822 = 1.119 BTC [+]
1291188;1443928156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00066543 = 4.9575 BTC [+] {4} 
1291189;1443930414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00066511 = 1.696 BTC [-]
1291190;1443932183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00065283 = 2.546 BTC [-]
1291191;1443932427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8999 @ 0.00065288 = 5.8753 BTC [+] {2} 
1291192;1443932488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8601 @ 0.00066388 = 5.71 BTC [+]
1291193;1443934196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00065563 = 2.5242 BTC [-]
1291194;1443935198;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290740 << whatevereth goeth upeth, musteth cometh downeth ?
1291195;1443935198;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 10:45:22; mircea_popescu: holy shit what happened to mpoe!
1291196;1443935335;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290756 << myup. and waaay too many kids in north america, be they full size or as yet to sexually mature, are in the happy happy happy cargocamp. it's pretty sad.
1291197;1443935335;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 11:25:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290441 << this is generally the heuristic for a good place inhabited by smart people. when you're among derps happy to be there you're on a sinking cargo cultship.
1291198;1443935515;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290779 << how could la ancien regime americane not want a third bush ? he knows how to play the part. he's seen it done. imo it'll be a close contest between trump and jeb. no one else has a chance. but it's jeb's to lose. trump has to stay out in front of the spotlight being outrageous day in and day out FOR ANOTHER YEAR, which is nigh on impossible. i give trump a
1291199;1443935515;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 11:34:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290575 << yeah it apparently favours jebbush! whodda thunkit.
1291200;1443935516;pete_dushenski; 25% chance.
1291201;1443935616;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290810 << mp in i) paradise with osama, ii) playboy mansion 'grotto', or iii) volcano island with his own head carved in the side à la dr. evil.
1291202;1443935616;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 13:26:49; mircea_popescu: all i see r nekkid womenz.
1291203;1443935709;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290898 << and here i was using goat feta all this time. i need to get out more.
1291204;1443935709;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:11:55; mircea_popescu: psa : brie is THE omlette cheese.
1291205;1443935739;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290912 << cute *and* quick on the uptake. bravo.
1291206;1443935739;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:28:45; AgentScully: http://i.imgur.com/KhqfZ0y.jpg
1291207;1443935782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10902 @ 0.00065018 = 7.0883 BTC [-] {2} 
1291208;1443935845;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290944 << one of the saddest casualties of disfunctional technology i've heard of in ages. like a mother typing her dying words to her son (in irc, naturally) and having her keyboard fritz out. or something.
1291209;1443935845;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:37:15; AgentScully: ah, yeah, I had an orgasm right as the server went down... nik was rather sad about it
1291210;1443935846;cazalla;dunno, looks a bit androgynous but nice tits anyway
1291211;1443935902;pete_dushenski;cazalla like the ancient greek army general ? ya think ?
1291212;1443935968;cazalla;pete_dushenski, yeah, but that can be a sexy look too.. think winona ryder with short hair
1291213;1443936125;pete_dushenski;"For what has she these Grecian arms bestow'd, But their destruction, and the Trojans' good? Then change we shields, and their devices bear: Let fraud supply the want of force in war. They find us arms.' This said, himself he dress'd In dead Androgeos' spoils, his upper vest, His painted buckler, and his plumy crest."
1291214;1443936200;pete_dushenski;~virgil's aeneid
1291215;1443936253;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290967 << lol! orcs are rich, smart, funny, and handsome, just ask them !
1291216;1443936253;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 17:00:35; mircea_popescu: if you ask them.
1291217;1443936281;cazalla;could've just linked the song pete
1291218;1443936303;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2015#1012177 << o hey another pr client
1291219;1443936303;assbot;Logged on 08-02-2015 00:20:13; adlai: ben_vulpes: context is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052, the thing is usable, i'm trying to get people to use it. maybe not the most tactful, but i don't have my own pr lady (yet)
1291220;1443936334;pete_dushenski;cazalla i dun do woulda/coulda/shoulda
1291221;1443936355;cazalla;certainly do edgy!
1291222;1443936425;pete_dushenski;;P
1291223;1443936461;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291019 << don't forget mike_c, davout, etc etc.
1291224;1443936461;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:22:19; ascii_field: iirc only ben_vulpes, mod6, and pete_dushenski had children
1291225;1443936486;pete_dushenski;and cazalla !
1291226;1443936514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00065646 = 10.8316 BTC [+] {3} 
1291227;1443936589;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291042 << i certainly found them sexy when i was younger. strangely, less so now.
1291228;1443936589;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:44:52; AgentScully: piercings are old... those were a pain in the ass
1291229;1443936607;pete_dushenski;nips in particular, that is.
1291230;1443936631;pete_dushenski;i dunno wtf is with this nasal septum piercing fad sweeping the four corners of the fucking globe but it's abhorrent.
1291231;1443936636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14769 @ 0.00066398 = 9.8063 BTC [+] {4} 
1291232;1443936677;pete_dushenski;unless you want to end up in the bull-fighting ring chasing after the red cape being waved by the man yelling 'toro!', why bother ?
1291233;1443936758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3181 @ 0.00066856 = 2.1267 BTC [+]
1291234;1443936816;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291119 << ew. diesel.
1291235;1443936816;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 21:07:40; mircea_popescu: an' a little something for pete, too http://40.media.tumblr.com/a06dc1b6a39dbc7a671858169c3d9551/tumblr_njbmd4Lqy61u72nmco1_1280.jpg
1291236;1443936886;pete_dushenski;http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a26891/the-end-of-diesel/ << speaking of which, the only automotive journalist with half a head, jack baruth, quoting chaucer and calling for the end of diesel in usa
1291237;1443936887;assbot;Why Diesel Needs to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6CN3l )
1291238;1443936937;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/business/automakers-ask-europe-for-leniency-in-emissions-testing.html << meanwhile, in europistan, automakers are continuing their push for diesel acceptance.
1291239;1443936940;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6CTrz )
1291240;1443936969;pete_dushenski;first, it was C02 MATTERS GUISE, which was a convenient trojan horse for black-smoke belching diesels.
1291241;1443936993;pete_dushenski;but since vw sorta blew the lid off things, the only thing left to do is rewrite the regs to be more accomodating.
1291242;1443937013;pete_dushenski;what else, destroy one of the only manufacturing industries extant on the contient ?
1291243;1443937034;pete_dushenski;spend the next decade retooling and reorganising ? uhuh. i think not.
1291244;1443937113;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291125 << in 2023 obama's daughters are on xotika. 'bout it.
1291245;1443937113;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 21:12:50; ben_vulpes: 2023: #bitcoin-assets has migrated to xotika, queue to perform is longer than a human lifespan
1291246;1443937190;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291135 << heh. and the average magazine page is an advertisement for big pharma.
1291247;1443937190;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 21:17:06; mircea_popescu: for that matter, the average painting is a fuzzy gray.
1291248;1443937279;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291179 << ok this wins so much harder than that diesel merc chick. why ? because it was taken not in goatfuckistan, not in eastern yurup where the chicks are hungry, not anything like that, but THREE MINUTES FROM WHERE I GREW UP.
1291249;1443937279;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 01:45:13; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the "took bitch shopping, now she gotta earn it" line, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9b5daf5e77e71674d4eab1a34b11d1a5/tumblr_nii067lpb81u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
1291250;1443937314;pete_dushenski;this was taken at the south west corner of the west edmonton mall parking lot, right next to the movie theatre and the gun range (!)
1291251;1443937385;pete_dushenski;and for what it's worth, the car looks to be a nissan altima coupe. ~$35k off the dealer lot.
1291252;1443937422;pete_dushenski;actually, you can also see the fantasyland hotel in the background (curtain wall facade) and the waterpark (dome roof at right)
1291253;1443937450;pete_dushenski;it's just a shame i don't recognise the girl...
1291254;1443937490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1528 @ 0.00066856 = 1.0216 BTC [+]
1291255;1443937587;cazalla;pete_dushenski, few more of same girl, same area http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135567&page=202
1291256;1443937589;assbot;Girls with Cars - Page 202 - Yellow Bullet Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6EDkD )
1291257;1443937597;pete_dushenski;west edmonton mall, for a number of years, held the record at the world's largest indoor shopping mall. still holds several worlds records iirc.
1291258;1443937666;pete_dushenski;just checked, wem still boasts 'world's largest indoor amusement park' including 'world's largest indoor triple roller coaster', and also 'world's largest parking lot'
1291259;1443937702;pete_dushenski;cazalla aha. clearly altima coupe now. what do i win ?
1291260;1443937743;cazalla;not sure, but that sure is uncanny, wonder what the odds are of someone posting a pic of a chick naked in a car park you know of
1291261;1443937806;pete_dushenski;ikr! 99% of them are in rural bulgaria or some shit.
1291262;1443937822;pete_dushenski;https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3q54cQxJ2UQ/UwzYNpOYE2I/AAAAAAAAAPE/mOxvdmZICi8/w1280-h852-no/por.jpg << nice ride.
1291263;1443937823;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L6Fi5G )
1291264;1443937836;pete_dushenski;^from same forum
1291265;1443938211;mircea_popescu;!up deface
1291266;1443938443;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> and cazalla ! << and mike and peter and so on.
1291267;1443938527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7789 @ 0.00065802 = 5.1253 BTC [-]
1291268;1443938589;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> this was taken at the south west corner of the west edmonton mall parking lot, right next to the movie theatre and the gun range (!) << so cool huh.
1291269;1443938684;pete_dushenski;crazy small world, this internet
1291270;1443938721;pete_dushenski;ima send this pic around and see if anyone knows her. there aren't ~that~ many degrees of separation between her and i
1291271;1443938753;mircea_popescu;she's not THAT hot and the pic is ~5 yo by now.
1291272;1443938954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6736 @ 0.00064928 = 4.3736 BTC [-] {3} 
1291273;1443939015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2864 @ 0.00064843 = 1.8571 BTC [-]
1291274;1443939038;mircea_popescu;What other reason is there to love fuel oil? Certainly not the characteristics of the chemical itself. It's slippery, it stinks to high heaven, it doesn't evaporate. <<
1291275;1443939056;mircea_popescu;derps shouldn't get a vote srsly. whosever can't appreciate the scent of diesel is neither a man nor allowed to discuss cars.
1291276;1443939084;mircea_popescu;you don't have to love it, or even like it. just like you don't have to love beer - god knows i don't. but if you're not capable to APPRECIATE it you're really not in this movie.
1291277;1443939135;punkman;pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290898 << and here i was using goat feta all this time. i need to get out more. < I agree, crumbled feta is teh best omelette cheese.
1291278;1443939135;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:11:55; mircea_popescu: psa : brie is THE omlette cheese.
1291279;1443939166;mircea_popescu;it's certainly not bad.
1291280;1443939178;punkman;I'd say the same about brie :P
1291281;1443939193;mircea_popescu;also in the same vein, pine bark aged smoked sheep cheese (romanian thing, dunno if they do it anywhere else)
1291282;1443939194;punkman;how do you cut brie for the omlett?
1291283;1443939196;mircea_popescu;neverthless...
1291284;1443939223;mircea_popescu;punkman i actually used thin metal wire.
1291285;1443939232;punkman;like what shape I mean
1291286;1443939237;mircea_popescu;thin long slices
1291287;1443939322;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu baruth is a bit of a troll. he's baiting here. and hooking 'em too by the looks of the comments.
1291288;1443939333;mircea_popescu;aha.
1291289;1443939350;mircea_popescu;it'snot even true that "everyone in europe = diesel". and it;s not true that "because regulation", either.
1291290;1443939351;punkman;queso de cabra is also fun in omelette, even has a rind similar to brie
1291291;1443939359;pete_dushenski;sorta playing the idiot as a means of catalysing 'debate'
1291292;1443939383;punkman;generally all the professional drivers have diesel around here.
1291293;1443939395;mircea_popescu;what happens is that throughout the 90s, diesel fuel was 50% the price of gasoline, and gpl conversion was not a mass market thing like it is now. you could get it, like you could get nox.
1291294;1443939409;mircea_popescu;because of this, some of the smartest automotive engineers went into diesel. it looked like the future.
1291295;1443939410;pete_dushenski;punkman professional as in truck/lorry drivers ?
1291296;1443939417;punkman;pete_dushenski: also taxis
1291297;1443939424;pete_dushenski;aha right.
1291298;1443939428;mircea_popescu;because of this, the diesels available were WAY better. it's not that "built to higher specs". it's that built by better people. substantially better.
1291299;1443939446;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu also more expensive. bigger design budget
1291300;1443939475;mircea_popescu;for this reason.
1291301;1443939476;pete_dushenski;giving better people just a bit more money to play with and voila.
1291302;1443939479;mircea_popescu;yup
1291303;1443939491;mircea_popescu;regulation played catchup to all this.
1291304;1443939493;pete_dushenski;not ~too~ much money, obviously. this, we know
1291305;1443939516;mircea_popescu;anyway. by now upwards of 2/3 of taxis actually run on compressed gas. way cheaper defo cleanner.
1291306;1443939526;mircea_popescu;much worse power curve of course, but fuck that, they're taxis.
1291307;1443939550;pete_dushenski;2/3 across europe ?
1291308;1443939623;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1291309;1443939638;pete_dushenski;compressed gas adoption was growing quite steadily in n.a. the last ~5 years.
1291310;1443939647;punkman;at least where there is gas pipe
1291311;1443939661;pete_dushenski;but now that gas/diesel prices have tanked, cng has been massacred.
1291312;1443939664;mircea_popescu;punkman it's really gpl not natural gas. they truck it.
1291313;1443939675;mircea_popescu;;;google linde
1291314;1443939676;gribble;The Linde Group | Gases Engineering Healthcare |: <http://www.linde.com/en/index.html>; Home | Linde US Industrial Gases: <http://www.lindeus.com/en/index.html>; The Linde Group: Home: <http://www.the-linde-group.com/en/index.html>
1291315;1443939716;punkman;I want a gas kitchen/stove but I'd have to refill tanks which kinda sucks
1291316;1443939764;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the cheese, as apparently it's unknown other than "that south transylvanian cheese" : sheepmilk cheese is cut up thinly, salt is added and ths is mixed (often, by hand). the result is placed in a tube made out of pine bark. it may or may not be smoked. it can also be placed in a sheep's stomach. inthis arrangement it keeps indefinitely, it is geenraly consumed after about a year.
1291317;1443939777;mircea_popescu;gets stronger the longer it waits, of course, but the salt doesn't get it runny.
1291318;1443939792;pete_dushenski;punkman i have a propane bbq but only because 45 year-old condos don't have natural gas lines here. most houses do though.
1291319;1443939796;mircea_popescu;(salt content is a function of intended maturation period, the longer you wanna keep it around the saltier. still, within some bounds)
1291320;1443939814;mircea_popescu;punkman iirc they bury a 20-50 cubic metre tank for you if you ask.
1291321;1443939868;punkman;maybe when they start drilling for oil/gas south of the island
1291322;1443939882;mircea_popescu;course greece (esp stuff like crete) is a bit of an outlier. no gas lines, which is unheard of in yurp, and no real need to heat.
1291323;1443939927;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, heating off the damned tank with ferried gas etc is still cheaper than using electricity.
1291324;1443939942;punkman;I use maybe 500L of heating oil in the winter, yeah
1291325;1443939968;mircea_popescu;now think "nordic system".
1291326;1443939976;pete_dushenski;actually, can someone with a twitter account (danielpbarron, shinohai, whoever gets to it first) please to send @jackbaruth this : http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/in-which-volkswagen-takes-aim-at-the-insanity-of-statal-overbearing/ i think he'd enjoy it.
1291327;1443939977;assbot;In which Volkswagen takes aim at the insanity of statal overbearing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcJNBH )
1291328;1443940011;mircea_popescu;in other news, construction stamp. http://41.media.tumblr.com/57cb873df2b619a3803fbe2fb269b477/tumblr_nisuqsK5Jv1u72nmco1_1280.jpg
1291329;1443940013;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcJQh5 )
1291330;1443940064;pete_dushenski;dusty bottom girl > soggy bottom boys
1291331;1443940091;mircea_popescu;you've clearly never had sand go up there.
1291332;1443940142;pete_dushenski;my aesthetic sensibilities care not for the practical considerations of tumblr hos
1291333;1443940159;mircea_popescu;lolk
1291334;1443940238;pete_dushenski;and while i've had my fun on the beach in puerto vallarta, god invented beach chairs for a reason !
1291335;1443940250;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zuyq-W71gQ nordic system
1291336;1443940250;assbot;Elektronik Meditation - Oslo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcKawf )
1291337;1443940374;pete_dushenski;"After the release of iOS 9.0.2 on Wednesday, which fixed a number of bugs including a lock screen exploit, Apple stopped signing iOS 8.4.1 and iOS 9.0 firmware for compatible devices, prohibiting users who updated from downgrading." << no going backwards !
1291338;1443940723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064772 = 7.384 BTC [-] {3} 
1291339;1443940772;mircea_popescu;"If I sell you a few kilograms of depleted uranium and you use it to create a dirty bomb that renders most of the East Coast inhabitable, how is that my fault?"
1291340;1443940780;mircea_popescu;dude buttcoin's utterly running out of steam.
1291341;1443940895;pete_dushenski;https://uofa.ualberta.ca/news-and-events/newsarticles/2015/september/remembering-louis-desrochers << i'll be singing at louis desrocher's funeral on tuesday, (which, ftr, is very different from 'dancing on his grave'). it's a choir thing actually, and he was apparently a huge fan of the one i'm in, personally requesting our presence when the day came. i'd actually never heard of him previously, but he seems to
1291342;1443940898;assbot;Remembering Louis Desrochers - University of Alberta ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcL1gs )
1291343;1443940898;pete_dushenski; have been quite the political heavyweight. i'm expecting it to be quite a splashy affair.
1291344;1443940906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00066804 = 2.1979 BTC [+] {2} 
1291345;1443940967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00066929 = 5.7894 BTC [+]
1291346;1443941028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17861 @ 0.0006707 = 11.9794 BTC [+] {2} 
1291347;1443941044;mircea_popescu;"The lack of transparency and regulatory oversight raises a number of risks for users and also poses risks for the payments system, the integrity of the financial system and the erosion of the tax base.
1291348;1443941050;mircea_popescu;mwahahah. o yeah it does. and fuck you.
1291349;1443941150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3903 @ 0.00067267 = 2.6254 BTC [+]
1291350;1443941247;pete_dushenski;and now, your moment of zen : "I investigate self-reported theft data in the NLSY 1997 Cohort for the years 1997–2011. Several striking patterns emerge. First, individuals appear to be active thieves for extremely short periods – in most cases in only one year, and fewer than 5% of thieves for more than three years out of the 15 years of data. Second, self-reported earnings from theft are generally very low and
1291351;1443941247;pete_dushenski; there is little evidence of “successful” criminals or consistent earnings from theft." << because only loser criminals waste their time on derpy 'scientific studies'. self-selecting much ?
1291352;1443941253;pete_dushenski;well, tomorrow's another day, gnite y'all !
1291353;1443941380;mircea_popescu;mno. it actually is a shitty earner.
1291354;1443941426;mircea_popescu;the car theft thing was very briefly +ev, right after fall of su when a lot of otherwise powerful and important people didn't have their power and importance correctly credentialled by the western pencildicks
1291355;1443941447;mircea_popescu;(echos of this problem are seen in patent nonsense like "embagro russia" that so miserably backfired last year)
1291356;1443941472;mircea_popescu;things normalized by 1995 or so, which is why this is a derp field now.
1291357;1443941539;mircea_popescu;it is conceivable, if the same pencildicks keep on with the tail up, "regulate" blablabla that we WILL have a market in stolen daughters traded around to prove a point for a few years.
1291358;1443941550;mircea_popescu;tho honestly, i do not currently believe the old fucks actulaly have it in them.
1291359;1443941613;mircea_popescu;anyway, /me bbl
1291360;1443941694;punkman;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-01/the-delinquent-borrowers-leading-a-student-loans-revolt
1291361;1443941694;assbot;The Delinquent Borrowers Leading a Student Loans Revolt - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcM4wT )
1291362;1443942675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00064498 = 4.1924 BTC [-]
1291363;1443943041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064619 = 5.1695 BTC [+]
1291364;1443943102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10075 @ 0.00065861 = 6.6355 BTC [+]
1291365;1443944200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1565 @ 0.00064524 = 1.0098 BTC [-] {2} 
1291366;1443945176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00064177 = 8.3751 BTC [-]
1291367;1443947006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00064147 = 4.811 BTC [-] {2} 
1291368;1443947189;Naphex;i didn't know psychadelic shows were a thing (https://xotika.tv/#/channel280/Fluxable)
1291369;1443947192;Naphex;they look awesome
1291370;1443948531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00064351 = 8.0117 BTC [+] {2} 
1291371;1443948775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064147 = 7.6976 BTC [-]
1291372;1443949812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3061 @ 0.00064407 = 1.9715 BTC [+]
1291373;1443950239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00064147 = 8.6278 BTC [-]
1291374;1443950788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4125 @ 0.00064147 = 2.6461 BTC [-]
1291375;1443950971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00063801 = 8.0389 BTC [-] {2} 
1291376;1443951894;trinque;dude, I leave for a weekend and a chick with great tits from TX shows up called AgentScully WITH THINKPADS
1291377;1443951917;trinque;(all of #b-a replies "LEAVE MORE OFTEN!")
1291378;1443951986;*;trinque is in Denver about to snooze; the pass through from Wyoming tried to kill me with fog and slippery roads, but I bested them
1291379;1443952076;trinque;and I'll tell you what; this country is gorgeous. It'd be quite a nice place under new management.
1291380;1443952862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00063625 = 9.9255 BTC [-] {4} 
1291381;1443953350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00064287 = 8.518 BTC [+]
1291382;1443953896;trinque;b
1291383;1443953909;trinque;damn you tmux.
1291384;1443953912;*;trinque zzzzz
1291385;1443955546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00063329 = 1.4566 BTC [-]
1291386;1443955851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00063082 = 5.9297 BTC [-]
1291387;1443956644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5432 @ 0.00062644 = 3.4028 BTC [-] {2} 
1291388;1443957071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7916 @ 0.00062393 = 4.939 BTC [-] {3} 
1291389;1443958506;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288642 << even those with severely limited time to actually sit infront of the game can participate through constantly running crafting/mining scripts while away
1291390;1443958506;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 16:26:56; mike_c: yeah.. my available gaming time is down to nil right now.  Busy working on a sekrit project.
1291391;1443958962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00052947 = 3.4945 BTC [-]
1291392;1443960793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052366 = 6.3887 BTC [-]
1291393;1443961708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2814 @ 0.00051032 = 1.436 BTC [-]
1291394;1443963050;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00050017 = 3.4762 BTC [-]
1291395;1443964819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7435 @ 0.00042742 = 3.1779 BTC [-]
1291396;1443964969;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291326 << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/650631044241170432
1291397;1443964969;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 06:26:16; pete_dushenski: actually, can someone with a twitter account (danielpbarron, shinohai, whoever gets to it first) please to send @jackbaruth this : http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/in-which-volkswagen-takes-aim-at-the-insanity-of-statal-overbearing/ i think he'd enjoy it.
1291398;1443965124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9559 @ 0.00043858 = 4.1924 BTC [+]
1291399;1443965211;mats;it falls
1291400;1443965673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34528 @ 0.00043294 = 14.9486 BTC [-] {3} 
1291401;1443965734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20156 @ 0.00037815 = 7.622 BTC [-] {2} 
1291402;1443967015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00036621 = 2.9297 BTC [+]
1291403;1443967241;punkman;-50% today huh
1291404;1443967472;punkman;!d m s.mpoe
1291405;1443967488;mircea_popescu;o.O
1291406;1443967546;mats;discount sunday
1291407;1443967568;punkman;!t m s.mpoe
1291408;1443967568;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0003452 / 0.00062888 / 0.000685 (787444 shares, 495.21 BTC), 7D: 0.0003452 / 0.00070028 / 0.00073317 (12175216 shares, 8,526.17 BTC), 30D: 0.0003452 / 0.0007377 / 0.00078144 (68685007 shares, 50,669.20 BTC)
1291409;1443967651;punkman;what happened to empyex
1291410;1443967669;mircea_popescu;he just sorta...faded.
1291411;1443967686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00038623 = 5.0982 BTC [+]
1291412;1443967742;mircea_popescu;!up tylersmith
1291413;1443967776;mircea_popescu;<trinque> and I'll tell you what; this country is gorgeous. It'd be quite a nice place under new management. << word. nothing wrong wih the states mostly on the grounds the mob stuck to the coasts.
1291414;1443967877;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQZXLfPWoAAw5_n.png:large
1291415;1443967878;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RoMeAw )
1291416;1443967920;mircea_popescu;aaaand... who asked them anything ?
1291417;1443968177;mircea_popescu;all this timswansonism i swear. "we are so and so" because words and things so we  don't have to wot or anything. we could put the nonsense in a pdf if you prefer, that makes it more legit!
1291418;1443968418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61229 @ 0.00041502 = 25.4113 BTC [+] {3} 
1291419;1443968479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29880 @ 0.00050332 = 15.0392 BTC [+] {4} 
1291420;1443968595;mircea_popescu;trinque> dude, I leave for a weekend and a chick with great tits from TX shows up called AgentScully WITH THINKPADS << prolly shortlived
1291421;1443968601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8891 @ 0.00052 = 4.6233 BTC [+]
1291422;1443968611;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1291423;1443968698;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291320 << recently, burial of fuel tanks was banned in (most of) usa. ostensibly for enviro-whiner reasons.
1291424;1443968698;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 06:23:34; mircea_popescu: punkman iirc they bury a 20-50 cubic metre tank for you if you ask.
1291425;1443968711;mircea_popescu;well, orclands.
1291426;1443968730;ascii_field;there (and afaik in most of the world) it is still sop.
1291427;1443968758;mircea_popescu;prolly more a "you know what could help real estate values ? if other people couldn't build sane houses anymore"
1291428;1443968766;mircea_popescu;"everybody would be forced to buy ours."
1291429;1443968805;mircea_popescu;the one line on which entrenched rent seeking interest and stupid but unaware youthful enthusiasm meet, is this particular type of idiocy.
1291430;1443968856;ascii_field;my current understanding is that usg has been specifically squeezing diesel heat users - they get untaxed fuel that is theoretically usable in trucks, and folks often 'cheat'. it has a colouring agent, and in parts of usa where this type of heater is common, policemen will often dip a wooden stick into a truck's tank to test for cheat
1291431;1443968967;ascii_field;this is a disgraceful and perhaps little-known thing, but very many american streets do not have piped gas.
1291432;1443968983;ascii_field;even near cities.
1291433;1443968983;mircea_popescu;the historical "sexual modesty" of north america being the original, and to this day best example. in its many plurious expressions, from "rright to life" to that derp linked yesterday or w/e
1291434;1443969020;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well, it is also known that many streets do not have fiber,also.
1291435;1443969036;ascii_field;most.
1291436;1443969065;mircea_popescu;how is it not as disgraceful, you know ? the us is in the business of being congo while pretending to be europe.
1291437;1443969086;mircea_popescu;china, meanwhile, has been in the business of being europe while pretending to be congo.
1291438;1443969091;mircea_popescu;apparently this latter approach works better.
1291439;1443969117;ascii_field;french escalators have 'stop' buttons.
1291440;1443969127;ascii_field;as do german, russian even, etc
1291441;1443969133;ascii_field;but in china...
1291442;1443969134;mircea_popescu;doh ?
1291443;1443969142;mircea_popescu;in china people have stop buttons.
1291444;1443969150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00040082 = 15.4717 BTC [-] {2} 
1291445;1443969154;ascii_field;all people have stop buttons.
1291446;1443969176;mircea_popescu;;;google HAMMER TIME!
1291447;1443969177;gribble;MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo>; U Can't Touch This - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_Can't_Touch_This>; Hammertime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammertime>
1291448;1443969223;*;ascii_field has colleagues who entertain him with choice security camera footage from the middle kingdom - involving items such as escalator-as-woodchipper, phalanxes of motorbikes flattened by trucks going the wrong way, etc
1291449;1443969293;ascii_field;i can't really blame the cn folks for having an active 'mortido'
1291450;1443969300;ascii_field;the place packed with meat.
1291451;1443969401;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291172 << iirc the traditional term is 'lusers'
1291452;1443969401;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 01:41:52; mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 it's just standard confirmation time. the problem with technology is that it works a certain way, which people actually understand. users, however, which are eminently NOT people, but fucking animals, don't care about all that. instead they "try" things, and then "come to expect" on the basis of you know, two attempts last Sunday. and then get all aggitated if their unfounded, poorly resea
1291453;1443969416;mircea_popescu;mmyeah,
1291454;1443969493;mircea_popescu;and then, because this is the lulzy part, it's like a fucking prion this thing. then! people who should fucking know better try and cater to it! and then they get used to THAT and get all agressed when you don't.
1291455;1443969531;ascii_field;don't feed beasts with bottomless stomachs
1291456;1443969536;ascii_field;i thought the ancients knew this.
1291457;1443969563;mircea_popescu;it's just... the sleep of reason. "habits" and habituation take over.
1291458;1443969583;mircea_popescu;"what do you mean my snatch stinks, I'VE ALWAYS WASHED IT LIKE THAT"
1291459;1443969618;ascii_field;picture an animal trainer, perhaps in a circus, who were to somehow forget that his 'patients' are animals.
1291460;1443969625;ascii_field;try to reason with the walrus, the lion, yes.
1291461;1443969646;mircea_popescu;(you'd be surprised what % of "first world" teenagers discover on the porn set that yes you're supposed to wash in between the clitoral hoodand the clitoris, what the fuck. it's still part of you, no matter what your dumb mom might have said christ told her.)
1291462;1443969702;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i thought all modern gurlz had dildonic pressure-shower things now
1291463;1443969728;mircea_popescu;and i thought all modern gurlz live in usg quarters with low pressure showers.
1291464;1443969752;ascii_field;even these typically have a 'tight beam' setting
1291465;1443969759;mircea_popescu;anyway, the above is decade+ out of date, maybe it mended meanwhile.
1291466;1443969788;mircea_popescu;you know, low volume high pressure jet is more for cutting metal. contrary to what men (perhaps excusably) believe, cunt's not made of steel.
1291467;1443969838;ascii_field;next he'll tell us to stop adding abrasive to the jet mixer !
1291468;1443969841;ascii_field;l0l
1291469;1443969857;mircea_popescu;but anyway. i maintain the general : you'd be surprised what % of the general population washes correctly, and the only reason you don't know about this is that you don't end up watching hundreds of them shower etc.
1291470;1443969882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00042215 = 7.6831 BTC [+]
1291471;1443969887;ascii_field;for all i know, 9 of 10 don't even wash at all.
1291472;1443969895;mircea_popescu;and this is universal. ask people if they have a foot of air behind their fridge, and if they say yes ask them why, and see.
1291473;1443969895;ascii_field;how'd i know, looking through glass.
1291474;1443969923;mircea_popescu;ask first time home buyers looking for a detached house if they know what a radon area is or not.
1291475;1443969927;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recall the 'freezer air conditioner' kickstarter ?!
1291476;1443969936;mircea_popescu;myea,
1291477;1443969961;mircea_popescu;"i've always just went into my basement, what do you mean it's a radiocooker now".
1291478;1443969981;ascii_field;eh, the folks i know who have cellars, have geigers in there
1291479;1443969991;ascii_field;logging to usb stick
1291480;1443970004;punkman;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/8843044/free-ac oh good they didn't get any money
1291481;1443970006;assbot;Free AC (Canceled) by Robert Purdon — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1VynDcQ )
1291482;1443970007;ascii_field;with a sort of gas sampler, even
1291483;1443970008;mircea_popescu;the magic is that a) you don't need it everywhere and b) people move a lot.
1291484;1443970041;ascii_field;punkman: the 'laser shaver' folks ~did~ - 2.3M last i saw
1291485;1443970048;ascii_field;and countless similar gags
1291486;1443970152;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291258 << i thought 'largest parking lot' was at ft meade (nsa central)
1291487;1443970152;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 05:47:46; pete_dushenski: just checked, wem still boasts 'world's largest indoor amusement park' including 'world's largest indoor triple roller coaster', and also 'world's largest parking lot'
1291488;1443970183;ascii_field;perhaps it was a case of 'soviet elephants are the biggest elephants'
1291489;1443970362;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291275 << 'Do not disparage the diesel cycle.  Napalm may smell like victory, but diesel evokes big trucks, heavy equipment, iron ships; hot oil, spanners the height of a man, 1" drive socket sets, and no stinking Kettering ignition systems.' (uncle al schwartz)
1291490;1443970362;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 06:10:56; mircea_popescu: derps shouldn't get a vote srsly. whosever can't appreciate the scent of diesel is neither a man nor allowed to discuss cars.
1291491;1443970409;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2015#1288768 < this video? https://d2pq0u4uni88oo.cloudfront.net/assets/004/572/003/a2bda3e013ca8c957d1210f3b8f692ea_h264_high.mp4
1291492;1443970409;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 18:52:13; ascii_field: addendum now has film of the sc4mz0r burning his skin with what is - bet your arse - a hot nichrome wire
1291493;1443970419;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfzZb2 )
1291494;1443970423;ascii_field;aha
1291495;1443970463;punkman;hmm, the little flashes of light seem out of place
1291496;1443970841;punkman;oh these exist at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subwavelength-diameter_optical_fibre
1291497;1443970842;assbot;Subwavelength-diameter optical fibre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfAFwR )
1291498;1443970875;punkman;but yeah doubtful skarp will work at all
1291499;1443971348;mircea_popescu;im not sure what is going on there, mentally. conflating the sharpness of a blade with the sharpness of a laser is not unlike confusing "strict discipline" in a bdsm setting with the strict discipline of the woodchipper cutters.
1291500;1443971359;mircea_popescu;what would make the laser follow your face and how would it do it ?
1291501;1443971383;mircea_popescu;or is the plan ultimately to obtain sphere shaped heads ?
1291502;1443971420;kakobrekla;just live it how the lazor authors have huge beards.
1291503;1443971423;kakobrekla;love*
1291504;1443971443;mircea_popescu;maybe they swore they'll not shave until their master plan's complete.
1291505;1443971447;kakobrekla;!up ascii_field
1291506;1443971465;mircea_popescu;sorta like how derps looking for the perfect soulmate are unfucked. this works.
1291507;1443971482;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: 'kickstarter' has turned into a kind of barometer of public illiteracy
1291508;1443971529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28441 @ 0.00041642 = 11.8434 BTC [-]
1291509;1443971531;ascii_field;also it is a (solely psychiatrically!) interesting cargo cult. for instance, the most successful scams had video posted of a '3d printer' going, going...
1291510;1443971545;ascii_field;it is a cargo cult in a very literal sense
1291511;1443971552;ascii_field;strong preoccupation with packages, shapes
1291512;1443971557;mircea_popescu;aha
1291513;1443971559;ascii_field;esp. ones lifted from 'consumer' life
1291514;1443971563;ascii_field;such as the razor handles
1291515;1443971565;mircea_popescu;names, titles, brands, yes.
1291516;1443971616;ascii_field;in a hypothetically sane future, '3d printer' will have vaguely unsavory connotations, just like the term 'patent medicine' does today
1291517;1443971635;mircea_popescu;or like buttcoin folk hope bitcoin does tomorrow :D
1291518;1443971708;ascii_field;quite seriously, it is an astonishing enabler of 'zero in a fancy bottle'
1291519;1443971754;ascii_field;there ~are~ constructive uses for '3d printer', we even have one here, in a closet, at $rupturefarms
1291520;1443971793;ascii_field;but they mostly reduce to 'need plastic bracket to hold pcb, in a hurry, don't care how ugly, no one will see it'
1291521;1443971823;ascii_field;sorta like people once used hot glue.
1291522;1443971845;ascii_field;(a '3d printer' is not so different from a hot glue gun on programmable wheels.)
1291523;1443971854;mircea_popescu;i was just thinking, it's really a hotglue gun
1291524;1443971856;ascii_field;... or how people use perl.
1291525;1443971897;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there are several other types, such as liquid-resin (fused by laser) and sintered powder - but they are uncommon, at least in 'jungle' settings
1291526;1443971935;mircea_popescu;but basically, the "3d printer" redditard thinks about is this "plastic hanger injection device", glorified.
1291527;1443971981;mircea_popescu;(my curiosity on the topic so far was assuaged by breakingapart some 3d printed matter and reading a little on the chemistry of the "ink")
1291528;1443972003;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the most common filler is ordinary 'abs' plastic
1291529;1443972008;mircea_popescu;aha
1291530;1443972009;ascii_field;the kind of which your keyboard is made.
1291531;1443972021;ascii_field;but it comes out in thin 'strand' and it never loses this appearance
1291532;1443972025;ascii_field;unless somehow buffed
1291533;1443972052;kakobrekla;https://bou.si/pic/amazing-washing-machine-tech.jpg < 3d printer saves the day
1291534;1443972052;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1291535;1443972053;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfCUQQ )
1291536;1443972084;ascii_field;a skilled craftsman can do surprising things with this horrid material - diametric once gave me a bolt and nut that screwed without much friction, on first try
1291537;1443972088;ascii_field;but this is not easy.
1291538;1443972129;kakobrekla;they use acetone vapour to smooth the surfaces
1291539;1443972137;mircea_popescu;whynot laser!
1291540;1443972140;mircea_popescu;nm.
1291541;1443972155;ascii_field;kakobrekla: so long as you don't actually care about the shape - this almost works.
1291542;1443972169;ascii_field;but try screwing in the 'smoothed' bolt.
1291543;1443972215;mircea_popescu;what WOULD be pretty cool is if they managed to get it to where you canmake lego pieces out of it.
1291544;1443972230;kakobrekla;http://sinkhacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/JWE_0468.jpg
1291545;1443972234;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfDjCR )
1291546;1443972235;ascii_field;ain't happening. at least not with 'glue gun' method.
1291547;1443972244;mircea_popescu;neighbourhood kids pitch together buy a printer, make all the legos they';ll ever need, on the cheap.
1291548;1443972246;ascii_field;you need the precision of a $1M injection molder.
1291549;1443972256;mircea_popescu;if sold with a time machine to take us back to 1992, this'd actulalywork.
1291550;1443972298;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aha. artwork is massively helped by the thing.
1291551;1443972307;ascii_field;apparently (and this is not widely known, i think) - the tolerances for a 'correctly feeling' lego brick are astonishingly low.
1291552;1443972310;mircea_popescu;you can just come and finish it after.
1291553;1443972326;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it's known :)
1291554;1443972341;mircea_popescu;i can't be the only one who went fuck this, im making my own.
1291555;1443972564;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291337 << they could attach spikes, or an arse dildatron that must be inserted to enable function, and folks will still buy it. because MONOPOLY.
1291556;1443972564;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 06:32:54; pete_dushenski: "After the release of iOS 9.0.2 on Wednesday, which fixed a number of bugs including a lock screen exploit, Apple stopped signing iOS 8.4.1 and iOS 9.0 firmware for compatible devices, prohibiting users who updated from downgrading." << no going backwards !
1291557;1443972631;mircea_popescu;not so. see the sit on pineapple comment.
1291558;1443972666;ascii_field;i'm seeing folks sitting on some pretty thick and sharp pineapples.
1291559;1443972687;ascii_field;(e.g., 'gps' tracker, forced updates, etc)
1291560;1443972739;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291351 << 'consistent earnings' ?!! in a tournament market ? l0l!
1291561;1443972739;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 06:47:27; pete_dushenski:  there is little evidence of “successful” criminals or consistent earnings from theft." << because only loser criminals waste their time on derpy 'scientific studies'. self-selecting much ?
1291562;1443972795;punkman;how tournament?
1291563;1443972795;ascii_field;what next? 'there is little evidence of being a wolf having consistent earnings from hunting'
1291564;1443972811;ascii_field;punkman: in same sense as hollywood stardom
1291565;1443972829;ascii_field;or academia
1291566;1443972859;ascii_field;nobody says 'i'ma grow up to be a small-time cutpurse'
1291567;1443972890;ascii_field;'The piecemeal approach of requiring individual borrowers to apply for loan forgiveness seemed unacceptably burdensome. “The right thing to do would be to issue a classwide discharge and understand that this happened to a group of people,” says Ann Larson, 41, one of the organization’s leaders.' << win !
1291568;1443972912;mircea_popescu;"this happened".
1291569;1443972913;ascii_field;where is ~my~ PHREE!!!11!!11 $30K ?
1291570;1443972921;mircea_popescu;you weren't in the right group.
1291571;1443972928;ascii_field;obviously.
1291572;1443972939;mircea_popescu;you could never understand HOW IT FELT. because it never "happened" to you.
1291573;1443973725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00042698 = 9.7565 BTC [+] {3} 
1291574;1443974001;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291150 >> yes
1291575;1443974001;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 22:07:46; ag3nt_zer0: this is just standard confirmation time? a general warning about services like bitpay?
1291576;1443974091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8602 @ 0.00042556 = 3.6607 BTC [-]
1291577;1443974184;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.25807000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b37
1291578;1443974519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00042684 = 5.3782 BTC [+] {2} 
1291579;1443975178;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/788c4ba150a742bccf3f7a9b4da0e63a/tumblr_njfgsrtlV91tahqnlo1_1280.jpg
1291580;1443975179;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdfYQG )
1291581;1443976071;deedbot-;[Trilema] Apropos de nothing - http://trilema.com/2015/apropos-de-nothing/
1291582;1443976410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00042715 = 2.8619 BTC [+]
1291583;1443976532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00042715 = 6.7703 BTC [+]
1291584;1443977165;punkman;http://www.msf.org/article/afghanistan-msf-demands-explanations-after-deadly-airstrikes-hit-hospital-kunduz
1291585;1443977166;assbot;Afghanistan: MSF demands explanations after deadly airstrikes hit hospital in Kunduz | Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) International ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8aI5D )
1291586;1443977209;punkman;"The bombing took place despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS  coordinates of the trauma hospital to Coalition and Afghan military and  civilian officials as recently as Tuesday 29 September, to avoid that  the hospital be hit. "
1291587;1443977464;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQWmljxUEAA9r1z.jpg:large  Jeb Bush Sends Mailer To 86,000 Iowans With His Head Photoshopped Onto A Black Body.
1291588;1443977465;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8bbF5 )
1291589;1443977553;punkman;ah such scam http://petapixel.com/2015/08/23/nope-jeb-bushs-head-wasnt-photoshopped-onto-a-black-mans-body/
1291590;1443977554;assbot;Nope, Jeb Bush's Head Wasn't Photoshopped Onto a Black Man's Body ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8bj7E )
1291591;1443978489;mircea_popescu;are we betting wherer agent scully lost her freenode nick pw ?
1291592;1443978537;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news : http://33.media.tumblr.com/ebb056f9b9afc1252f6b361281505ec4/tumblr_nj788gFgyZ1shsytco1_400.gif << pick out the incompetent, untrained women among their competent, well trained peers. what gave it away ?
1291593;1443978541;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8cVOx )
1291594;1443978572;mircea_popescu;http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2015/08/jebbushmailer.jpg << for the record, "jeb" is gypsy for pocket. that pic is so very lulzy.
1291595;1443978573;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j8cZhp )
1291596;1443978732;ben_vulpes;tilted pelvises and resulting "swayback" indicates well trained?
1291597;1443978799;mircea_popescu;aha.
1291598;1443978827;ben_vulpes;"ease of access"
1291599;1443978927;mircea_popescu;more like "in control of own body".
1291600;1443978972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11459 @ 0.00042521 = 4.8725 BTC [-] {2} 
1291601;1443979033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3341 @ 0.00042391 = 1.4163 BTC [-]
1291602;1443979195;mod6;ascii_field: iirc only ben_vulpes, mod6, and pete_dushenski had children << I don't have any offspring of my own.
1291603;1443979308;mircea_popescu;!up yang
1291604;1443979582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8773 @ 0.00042715 = 3.7474 BTC [+]
1291605;1443980497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00042391 = 7.0369 BTC [-]
1291606;1443980924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00042715 = 3.9298 BTC [+]
1291607;1443980954;mircea_popescu;check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
1291608;1443981141;punkman;didn't the first best new very strict DERP encoding solve that one?
1291609;1443981233;punkman;https://blockchain.info/tx/fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 161 conf on the original hash?
1291610;1443981233;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT9btM )
1291611;1443981324;punkman;!up ascii_field
1291612;1443981344;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: ~this~ is one of the things proving bitcoin was designed by a tard
1291613;1443981354;ascii_field;tx signature does not in fact cover whole tx.
1291614;1443981364;ascii_field;this is well-known..
1291615;1443981461;ascii_field;the whole 'malleability' thing had no plausible excuse for even hinting at existing, EVER
1291616;1443981473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00043105 = 11.6384 BTC [+] {3} 
1291617;1443981477;ascii_field;it ought to have been 'flip ONE FUCKING BIT and sig won't verify.'
1291618;1443981549;punkman;openssl has many holes like that
1291619;1443981563;ascii_field;not about openssl, even !
1291620;1443981586;ascii_field;(one CAN use openssl to sign a string of bits in the customary way)
1291621;1443981595;ascii_field;but bitcoin DOES NOT SIGN WHOLE TX
1291622;1443981666;ascii_field;but mircea_popescu will prolly say 'nobody asked us anything'
1291623;1443981667;punkman;even if it did, couldn't you still diddle the signature?
1291624;1443981699;ascii_field;not if it were an rsa sig
1291625;1443981713;ascii_field;whole thing is retarded on six different levels
1291626;1443981730;ascii_field;and i'm supposed to respect it because the gods smiled and pissed some money on it.
1291627;1443981732;ascii_field;aha.
1291628;1443981796;ascii_field;btw 'malleability' of the ecdsa sig proper is all the proof anyone needs that ecc is retarded
1291629;1443981818;ascii_field;(as if there were any shortage of symptoms of this)
1291630;1443982327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00043741 = 6.6705 BTC [+] {2} 
1291631;1443982339;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.11000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin block reward halving on or before 20 July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1182/bitcoin-block-reward-halving-on-or-before-20/#b5
1291632;1443982348;ascii_field;;;later tell thestringpuller http://wiki.apache.org/stdcxx/C%2B%2B0xCompilerSupport
1291633;1443982349;assbot;C++0xCompilerSupport - Stdcxx Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1VxoP5I )
1291634;1443982349;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1291635;1443982632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4977 @ 0.00044185 = 2.1991 BTC [+]
1291636;1443982998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17008 @ 0.00043688 = 7.4305 BTC [-] {2} 
1291637;1443983881;mats;http://level7.org.uk/chroma/
1291638;1443983882;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hjrJrI )
1291639;1443983917;mats;abstract puzzle game
1291640;1443984523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00042391 = 5.638 BTC [-]
1291641;1443985316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10704 @ 0.00043604 = 4.6674 BTC [+]
1291642;1443986088;mats;meanwhile, IS continues to advance on Iraqi positions
1291643;1443986292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11414 @ 0.00042151 = 4.8111 BTC [-]
1291644;1443986475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00042104 = 3.242 BTC [-]
1291645;1443987268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14639 @ 0.00042104 = 6.1636 BTC [-]
1291646;1443987329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8280 @ 0.00041642 = 3.448 BTC [-] {4} 
1291647;1443987817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.0004184 = 3.6401 BTC [+]
1291648;1443988647;mircea_popescu;punkman aye.
1291649;1443988667;mircea_popescu;ascii_field hey, no point arguing it to me, i know.
1291650;1443988686;mircea_popescu;<punkman> didn't the first best new very strict DERP encoding solve that one? << mno.
1291651;1443988709;mircea_popescu;also, this particular attack is ongoing, i see about 32% of txn rebroadcast malleated.
1291652;1443988732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00041608 = 3.932 BTC [-] {2} 
1291653;1443988742;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> and i'm supposed to respect it because the gods smiled and pissed some money on it. << you're supposed to respect it because you're not old enough yet.
1291654;1443988744;mircea_popescu;this is a thing.
1291655;1443988765;mircea_popescu;once you're old enough to stand on your own you're more than free to make your own. but so far, not there yet. working at it, yes.
1291656;1443988790;mircea_popescu;how goes AgentScully ?
1291657;1443988793;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1291658;1443988817;mircea_popescu;in more "usa is about freedom" news, http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/camping-on-your-own-land-is-now-illegal.html
1291659;1443988818;assbot;"Camping" on Your Own Land is Now Illegal — Gov't Waging War on Off-Grid Living ... ( http://bit.ly/1jIcSsW )
1291660;1443988843;ascii_field;what specifically does 'old enough' mean here?
1291661;1443988933;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: re: 'camping': the thing in question is part of a campaign by just about every half-respectable usa jurisdiction to squeeze out 'trailer trash'
1291662;1443988935;mircea_popescu;enough power to push the changes through.
1291663;1443988951;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ah then i don't expect to do this even if i were to live for a thousand years.
1291664;1443988971;mircea_popescu;not every male is destined to reach adulthood.
1291665;1443988971;ascii_field;as it is, i can only suggest things to other people.
1291666;1443989010;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm not old enough either, if it makes you feel better. and the idea, while it has certain merits, is also not old enough.
1291667;1443989036;ascii_field;even without all of this, it is quite certain that ~computing~ 'is not old enough'
1291668;1443989040;ascii_field;for... adulthood
1291669;1443989042;ascii_field;in this sense.
1291670;1443989059;mircea_popescu;"Jay Syrmopoulos is an investigative journalist, free thinker, researcher, and ardent opponent of authoritarianism." << that should prolly write for qntra.
1291671;1443989067;mircea_popescu;ascii_field perhaps so.
1291672;1443989120;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the 'war on trailers' is a consequence of the 1960-70s upheaval and the prohibition of filtering people on any variable other than 'how much can he afford to pay for house'
1291673;1443989138;mircea_popescu;aha.
1291674;1443989169;ascii_field;as it is, folks in usa have ~no way~ to express 'i do not want to live in zimbabwe' other than by 'this town bans trailers'
1291675;1443989175;mircea_popescu;or moreover, it's a consequence of the bizzaro uncivilised yet hypocritical nature of the us.
1291676;1443989180;ascii_field;it doesn't really work, of course
1291677;1443989206;mircea_popescu;folks wishing to express "i do not want to live in zimbabwe" while IN ZIMBABWE have other issues than what laws to pass.
1291678;1443989219;ascii_field;think of it as life in orbit
1291679;1443989227;ascii_field;'i do not want to breathe vacuum' while surrounded by it
1291680;1443989232;mircea_popescu;hardly.
1291681;1443989235;ascii_field;'i do not want to drink sea water' while at sea
1291682;1443989238;ascii_field;what's wrong with that
1291683;1443989258;mircea_popescu;that the examples are spurious. these are africans, born and bred, who think themselves above the africa that THEY ARE.
1291684;1443989268;ascii_field;now this, yes
1291685;1443989271;mircea_popescu;seawater not wanting to "breathe" sea water is the height of lol.
1291686;1443989282;ascii_field;except that not everyone ~is~ the sea.
1291687;1443989296;mircea_popescu;then not everyone has bizarre tastes.
1291688;1443989324;ascii_field;i, for instance, spend perhaps most of my conscious time, just on keeping the sea out.
1291689;1443989332;mircea_popescu;bizarre tastes.
1291690;1443989342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00041601 = 1.9968 BTC [-]
1291691;1443989359;ascii_field;bizarre how..?
1291692;1443989447;mircea_popescu;this needs explaining ? "oh i spend most of my time fishing bailing the water out" "so why do you go there ?" "huge fish in that lake!"
1291693;1443989486;ascii_field;--'why do you go there?' --'i am a fisherman.'
1291694;1443989499;mircea_popescu;"apparently not."
1291695;1443989688;ascii_field;ever see the (quite terrible..) film 'waterworld' ?
1291696;1443989713;mircea_popescu;i think not
1291697;1443989738;ascii_field;(re: involuntary 'fishermen' and their leaky boats)
1291698;1443990497;ben_vulpes;programming is still in "right or left handed screws" regime, if that isn't an egregious compliment.
1291699;1443990563;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1291700;1443990708;ben_vulpes;'computing', i suppose.
1291701;1443990711;mircea_popescu;!up better
1291702;1443990721;ben_vulpes;programming being the lathework, i suppose.
1291703;1443990735;*;ben_vulpes supposes much, knows little
1291704;1443990741;better;i won a bet  at bitbet.us
1291705;1443990752;better;but i didn' get any coin.
1291706;1443990754;mircea_popescu;well done!
1291707;1443990759;mircea_popescu;which bet is this ?
1291708;1443990773;better;https://bitbet.us/bet/1195/bitcoin-250-or-above-on-september-30th/
1291709;1443990774;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin $250 or above on September 30th :: 0.12 B (60%) on Yes, 0.08 B (40%) on No | closed 2 weeks 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZW0EN )
1291710;1443990782;mircea_popescu;specifically which bet did you make ?
1291711;1443990807;better;i betted  on no.
1291712;1443990839;mircea_popescu;yes but which of the half dozen or so single bitcent bets is yours. right click on the date to get the url.
1291713;1443990929;better;out address is 1EMUE
1291714;1443990932;better;they are mine
1291715;1443990935;better;b2 and b3
1291716;1443990958;mircea_popescu;aha
1291717;1443991035;better;yes ?
1291718;1443991037;mircea_popescu;better tx is 802cb1fd782aa383c97126c3a0792d81c71d8c3897b74d9e62e1660c01684fe5 for some reason has trouble broadcasting
1291719;1443991047;mircea_popescu;but it should appear momentarily.
1291720;1443991099;mircea_popescu;i'd give it a few hours an' complain again.
1291721;1443991122;better;Ok. Thanks. This is not available now. I will check later again.
1291722;1443991145;mircea_popescu;kk
1291723;1443991904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11197 @ 0.00042131 = 4.7174 BTC [+]
1291724;1443992917;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.91000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1210/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-jan-2016/#b7
1291725;1443993673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16234 @ 0.00041601 = 6.7535 BTC [-]
1291726;1443994234;ben_vulpes;!up Duffer1
1291727;1443995076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00042086 = 4.0613 BTC [+]
1291728;1443995520;mircea_popescu;http://cointelegraph.com/news/115374/the-ongoing-bitcoin-malleability-attack << the quality of the writing reads exactly like the shit fiverr delivers.
1291729;1443995521;assbot;The Ongoing Bitcoin Malleability Attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTjRZD )
1291730;1443995808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00041927 = 9.0982 BTC [-]
1291731;1443996357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00042086 = 5.2608 BTC [+]
1291732;1443996784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00041927 = 1.5094 BTC [-]
1291733;1443997272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8051 @ 0.00041647 = 3.353 BTC [-] {2} 
1291734;1443997333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6949 @ 0.000416 = 2.8908 BTC [-]
1291735;1443997695;btcdrak;mircea_popescu: LOL, what has litecoin's spam handling got to do with tx malleability? maybe they paid for a fiverr extra for that gem.
1291736;1443997710;mircea_popescu;i have no idea.
1291737;1443997802;btcdrak;there's a real reason why a nasty and sustained crash in the bitcoin price would be good for Bitcoin, it would flush out all these idiot companies and their VCs.
1291738;1443997909;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski your first pr thing could be to get @sandbaydev to take btc payment ffs. what is this, 1995 ?
1291739;1443997909;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1291740;1443997950;mircea_popescu;btcdrak kinda what we've been doing. VC circus got bled to death, i very much wish to see if they're still going to keep the tail up and we dun has to do what told bs next year, after the massacre.
1291741;1443997956;mircea_popescu;but if so, sure, more massacre.
1291742;1443998033;btcdrak;"smart money" has been trying to prop up the price for the last 9 months...
1291743;1443998072;mircea_popescu;smartness in money only exists retrospectively.
1291744;1443999464;mircea_popescu;in other news, from the first, biggest and still better reddit, http://digg.com/video/denmark-travel-do-it-for-mom
1291745;1443999465;assbot;Denmark Is Really Desperate For Their Young People To Start Boning - Digg ... ( http://bit.ly/1OgoBeZ )
1291746;1443999758;mircea_popescu;omfg seth godin still exists. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/icn.seths.head.png now a visibly old man, trying to stick to the orange background in a green shirt. practically speaking a parody of itself (not that it didn't start off as a parody - but by now it's not even intentional anymore).
1291747;1443999759;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1iXbwtu )
1291748;1443999765;mircea_popescu;this is like timecube.
1291749;1444002579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.0004188 = 10.135 BTC [+] {2} 
1291750;1444004043;BingoBoingo;lols http://forums.officer.com/t201129/
1291751;1444004045;assbot;Concerned with Prosecution/Investigation/etc. rather than DQ after Interview ... ( http://bit.ly/1iXijn1 )
1291752;1444004981;BingoBoingo;!up gabrielradio
1291753;1444005286;gabrielradio;thanks, i'm gonna be lurking in the #b-a irc yeshiva for a while
1291754;1444005667;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQGvxs3U8AAUZYj.jpg:large
1291755;1444005668;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORwI1C )
1291756;1444006971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24820 @ 0.000416 = 10.3251 BTC [-] {2} 
1291757;1444007032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22480 @ 0.00041577 = 9.3465 BTC [-]
1291758;1444007452;PeterL;wow, that MPOE, did somebody drop some bad news about MP today?
1291759;1444010369;mats;it was due for a few weeks
1291760;1444010560;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.16627786 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 13,900 before December 31st - http://bitbet.us/bet/1211/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b5
1291761;1444013641;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291019 << Don't forget me, I got 3 (four around new years)
1291762;1444013641;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:22:19; ascii_field: iirc only ben_vulpes, mod6, and pete_dushenski had children
1291763;1444013803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00041574 = 2.827 BTC [-]
1291764;1444015013;mircea_popescu;<PeterL> wow, that MPOE, did somebody drop some bad news about MP today? << i dunno dude, i woke up and it was like...
1291765;1444015108;mircea_popescu;ahaha punkman where's that from
1291766;1444015441;punkman;mircea_popescu: some imaginative young writer I presume
1291767;1444015457;mircea_popescu;pretty great, i lollered.
1291768;1444015458;punkman;also, oh gawd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_interlock_device
1291769;1444015459;assbot;Ignition interlock device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z246Gd )
1291770;1444015516;mircea_popescu;hint : you can always blow your lighter into the damned thing. it doesn't measure oxygen output
1291771;1444016386;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1291772;1444016489;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291770 << saw this up close once, recently - the new ones are trickier, they require the victim to make sounds into the orifice while blowing, even.
1291773;1444016489;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 03:25:16; mircea_popescu: hint : you can always blow your lighter into the damned thing. it doesn't measure oxygen output
1291774;1444016511;punkman;pet racoon it is then
1291775;1444016533;mircea_popescu;well, or pet arab
1291776;1444016536;mircea_popescu;allahu snackbar!
1291777;1444016565;punkman;they might upgrade to buttplug alcohol sensor on driver's seat, that might be tricky
1291778;1444016636;mircea_popescu;pet arab woman. doesn't drink, is used to diddling.
1291779;1444016663;ascii_field;the interlock thing is actually a rather harsh punishment, as i understand - for instance, it sometimes demands a blow... while the car is moving
1291780;1444016673;ascii_field;at random.
1291781;1444016715;punkman;and sucker gotta pay $100/month for it
1291782;1444016716;mircea_popescu;while its true that security contraptions never deliver any security, it is nevertheless the case that they do require a rent. because everything that exists des.
1291783;1444016738;ascii_field;aha how else !
1291784;1444016753;ascii_field;in this case, quite literally
1291785;1444016858;mircea_popescu;the one "innovation" that cooled me off the "civilised" world were the fcucking speed bumps.
1291786;1444016858;punkman;http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/10/muslims-say-they-will-make-it-legal-to-rape-white-christian-women-when-they-take-over-europe-2/
1291787;1444016859;assbot;Muslims Say They Will Make It Legal to Rape White Christian Women When They Take Over Europe - Freedom Outpost ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z26jSf )
1291788;1444016879;mircea_popescu;let's shake everyone that passes through a street because hey, we can't just shoot whosoever speeds and kills a kid or whatever.
1291789;1444016881;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit.
1291790;1444016908;mircea_popescu;punkman that's pretty stupid. the only reason they even have the half a shot they have currently is the rape.
1291791;1444016926;ascii_field;my theory was that the bumps are from nostalgia for crappy orcish roads...
1291792;1444016975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00041563 = 2.7432 BTC [-]
1291793;1444016996;mircea_popescu;my theory is that the bumps are from aged female nostalgia for their earlier time in a car. which a male owned, like he owned their teenaged ass.
1291794;1444017005;mircea_popescu;"can't we even get a LITTLE bumping ????"
1291795;1444017036;mircea_popescu;"i remember 30 years ago used to get 150 bumps to the yard. y u no make road like used to!"
1291796;1444017097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00041563 = 3.6368 BTC [-]
1291797;1444017321;ascii_field;;;isup trilema.com
1291798;1444017327;gribble;trilema.com is up
1291799;1444017330;ascii_field;hm
1291800;1444017354;ascii_field;;;isup qntra.net
1291801;1444017360;gribble;qntra.net is up
1291802;1444017369;*;trinque has arrived in Amarillo
1291803;1444017375;ascii_field;^ neither loads here
1291804;1444017379;trinque;as soon as I hit the TX border, industry!
1291805;1444017384;trinque;things happening everywhere!
1291806;1444017463;trinque;turns out when you let people keep more of their own goddamn money the thing just sorts itself
1291807;1444017466;trinque;who knew...
1291808;1444017514;trinque;Amarillo's a pretty boring town and even the gas station was spotless, workers there were goddamn on point and asking me what I needed, sir
1291809;1444017515;ascii_field;why not alaska then ?!
1291810;1444017518;trinque;fuck alaska
1291811;1444017521;trinque;nobody there
1291812;1444017533;ascii_field;but keep even moar of own money...
1291813;1444017547;trinque;obviously not the only factor
1291814;1444017583;mircea_popescu;no you don't, everything costs forever.
1291815;1444017595;ascii_field;betcha the filling station in anchorage is sterile
1291816;1444017616;trinque;point being *the workers there* cared about the stupid gas station
1291817;1444017618;ascii_field;costs, yes
1291818;1444017638;mircea_popescu;this is what "keep money" is.
1291819;1444017644;ascii_field;usg takes less? then moar for the landlord to harvest
1291820;1444017665;mircea_popescu;...
1291821;1444017676;mircea_popescu;alaska is far away and everything has to be shipped at great expense.
1291822;1444017679;trinque;I'm in a $50/day hotel room with king sized bed, indoor pool, it's lovely
1291823;1444017728;ascii_field;trinque: my point was that: tanstaafl (tm) (r)
1291824;1444017748;trinque;who said their was?
1291825;1444017750;trinque;*there
1291826;1444017756;trinque;this state has a gigantic port
1291827;1444017762;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: aha! sorta like buenos aires
1291828;1444017766;trinque;industy throughout, agriculture, so on
1291829;1444017799;punkman;too much industry and you get beijing air
1291830;1444017805;trinque;and I maintain that there's something far better about these people than any other state in the US, such that it stands a hair of a chance to survive it
1291831;1444017816;trinque;if you don't work here you're fucking nobody
1291832;1444017849;BingoBoingo;<trinque> and I maintain that there's something far better about these people than any other state in the US, such that it stands a hair of a chance to survive it << I'm telling you Missouri is even more Texan than Texas
1291833;1444017874;trinque;all it has is a river
1291834;1444017877;trinque;the port matters
1291835;1444017884;trinque;missouri's not nearly as wealthy
1291836;1444018045;mircea_popescu;well you were discussing worth ethics.
1291837;1444018046;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291831 << vs where..?
1291838;1444018046;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 04:03:36; trinque: if you don't work here you're fucking nobody
1291839;1444018068;BingoBoingo;Missouri has two rivers and the Ohio river terminus. Vast amounts of bulk goods constantly moving
1291840;1444018087;trinque;ascii_field: vs portland for on!
1291841;1444018089;trinque;*one
1291842;1444018096;BingoBoingo;But I'm discussing the people. Far more texan than Texans are
1291843;1444018107;trinque;even the software devs sit around laughing about how lazy they are
1291844;1444018116;trinque;and "oh my work is such shit"
1291845;1444018133;trinque;BingoBoingo: that could be
1291846;1444018139;ascii_field;even?!
1291847;1444018148;ben_vulpes;especially.
1291848;1444018162;ascii_field;what animal is lazier than programmer !
1291849;1444018188;trinque;the "my work is such shit" offends me more
1291850;1444018201;trinque;you will find people here that give a shit about their name
1291851;1444018204;trinque;!up ascii_field
1291852;1444018253;ascii_field;why would someone admit to 'my work is shit' ?
1291853;1444018346;punkman;sometimes you know you suck?
1291854;1444018362;punkman;or are getting paid to work on horrible things
1291855;1444018366;trinque;the portland software scene is mostly about stapling open source together
1291856;1444018377;trinque;along with that goes this "LOL everything is shit" attitude
1291857;1444018386;trinque;and the implication that "if this doesn't work it is not my fault"
1291858;1444018389;trinque;I saw a great deal of that
1291859;1444018429;ascii_field;they can always come and fillet panda kittens at the belching workschwitzes here.
1291860;1444018486;trinque;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas << pretty decent summary
1291861;1444018487;assbot;Economy of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0GYym )
1291862;1444018506;trinque;we're not churning out apps and lattes down here
1291863;1444018543;ascii_field;also 'everything is shit' is a sane and correct attitude for anyone involved in kompyooting.
1291864;1444018569;trinque;its still your fault if it doesn't work even if it's made of gum and twigs
1291865;1444018688;ascii_field;in the sense where everyone who touches such a thing shares the sin - yes.
1291866;1444018805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00041563 = 1.9327 BTC [-]
1291867;1444018824;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> why would someone admit to 'my work is shit' ? << it's an hipster thing. irony.
1291868;1444018837;ascii_field;i must be thick
1291869;1444018850;mircea_popescu;you just don't fuck enough teens.
1291870;1444018861;ascii_field;my puny brain is powerless against this.
1291871;1444018908;mircea_popescu;has nothing to do with brain power. it's a matter of language. youth culture, it's just its own kind of arbitrary nonsense.
1291872;1444018923;*;ascii_field does not deal with teenz in any capacity whatsoever. they may as well be penguins or kangaroos.
1291873;1444018946;trinque;"everything is bad, hahaha"
1291874;1444018951;trinque;not anything more to it
1291875;1444018953;mircea_popescu;well then how are you going to overturn the empire or how did that quote go.
1291876;1444018973;ascii_field;if i needed arbitrary and tedious nonsense for anything, i'd visit a church
1291877;1444018983;mircea_popescu;but teens are more fun to fuck.
1291878;1444018986;ascii_field;or reddit
1291879;1444019011;mircea_popescu;there is that. pretty much my objection to reddit is "all the stupid i stomp out on a daily basis minus the toe suckling and etc"
1291880;1444019043;ascii_field;when suckling a toe... is there: milk?
1291881;1444019061;ascii_field;or only if rms's ?!
1291882;1444019064;mircea_popescu;"here's this new gasoline, it has no caloric power" "what does it have then ?" "strong odor, slightly carcinogenic, stains..."
1291883;1444019064;trinque;bleh!
1291884;1444019090;mircea_popescu;lol milk. no there isn't milk. it's a futile act.
1291885;1444019110;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
1291886;1444019117;mircea_popescu;;;google ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
1291887;1444019118;gribble;Recent User Submissions</head> - The Movie Cliches List: <http://www.moviecliches.com/usercliches.html>; Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752>; Steve Sailer: iSteve: The benefits of reciprocity: <http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-benefits-of-reciprocity.html>
1291888;1444019132;mircea_popescu;does anyone seriously propose the "google is useful" myth anymore even ?
1291889;1444019148;ascii_field;(worst possible material! imagine if it were not translucent - who would use it?)
1291890;1444019177;mircea_popescu;i have some obsidian i took out of a guatemalan pavement wiht my own hands.
1291891;1444019188;mircea_popescu;it's pretty cool. not really translucent. a little around the edges.
1291892;1444019193;ascii_field;grep his book (on my www warez dir, in the logz)
1291893;1444019211;ascii_field;aha! i have a piece somewhere
1291894;1444019228;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of the aids joke. dja know the aids joke ?
1291895;1444019229;ascii_field;modern man isn't, afaik, very handy with it
1291896;1444019234;ascii_field;which
1291897;1444019249;mircea_popescu;romanian peasant asks other romanian peasant : yo, gheo, you got any aids yo ?
1291898;1444019268;mircea_popescu;gheo thinks... if i say no, he's gonna think im poor. if i say yes he's gonna ask for some.
1291899;1444019273;mircea_popescu;"i have a little around the  edges"
1291900;1444019306;ascii_field;l0l
1291901;1444019342;*;ascii_field wonders if aids jokes all began life as syphilis joke
1291902;1444019349;mircea_popescu;i would expect so.
1291903;1444019723;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/#comment-115521 << i let it through because mildly curious if the shilled "titan miner firmware upgrade" has a rootkit or something in it
1291904;1444019724;assbot;Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0IMrh )
1291905;1444019726;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ^
1291906;1444019861;ascii_field;buy with paypal on ebay! l0lz.
1291907;1444020123;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1291908;1444020289;BingoBoingo;http://corgiaddict.com/post/1432015905
1291909;1444020291;assbot;OCD: Obsessive Corgi Disorder, What makes fluffy corgis so rare? I have never... ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Jy7G )
1291910;1444020529;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What The Old Man Does Is Always Right. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/04/what-the-old-man-does-is-always-right/
1291911;1444020696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00041563 = 5.7565 BTC [-] {2} 
1291912;1444021256;mircea_popescu;http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DavidGalindo/20140109/208337/How_much_do_indie_PC_devs_make_anyways_Part_V.php << me is having fun reading indie gaming stuff
1291913;1444021257;assbot;Gamasutra: David Galindo's Blog - How much do indie PC devs make, anyways? (Part V) ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0KMQf )
1291914;1444021262;mircea_popescu;"On October 8th, 2013, just a few days shy of one year since CSD officially launched, the game landed on Steam. And in just one day, I had made nearly $15,000 in gross sales, which was almost as much as I made in the entire last year on PC/Mac/Linux for CSD.  In two days, I surpassed it. In one week, I had made over $50,000 in gross revenue� more than I did in the last three years as a game maker and barista. My fami
1291915;1444021262;mircea_popescu;ly couldn�t believe it. I couldn�t believe it. Finally, I felt redeemed. This was a path that was more than a dozen years in the making, but I had finally made it."
1291916;1444021814;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.19203125 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin block reward halving on or before 20 July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1182/bitcoin-block-reward-halving-on-or-before-20/#b6
1291917;1444022276;mircea_popescu;;;halfreward
1291918;1444022277;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 03:37:30 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 42 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1291919;1444022303;mircea_popescu;;;calc 6/42/7
1291920;1444022303;gribble;0.0204081632653
1291921;1444022310;mircea_popescu;2% sounds just about right huh.
1291922;1444022313;mircea_popescu;nice bet.
1291923;1444022737;cazalla;mircea_popescu, qntra has received similar comments, figured it for spam and binned
1291924;1444022763;mircea_popescu;it's handmade spam, baiscally, yea.
1291925;1444022892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12928 @ 0.00041574 = 5.3747 BTC [+]
1291926;1444023020;cazalla;for those into 4wd'ing http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/anatomy-of-hawkei/6828328
1291927;1444023020;assbot;Hawkei: Kick the tyres on the Australian Army's latest armoured vehicle - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkwa5z )
1291928;1444023490;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/f11861e32a053456cd5a666a36082c8b/tumblr_njbtmmoTUA1su84zzo1_1280.jpg
1291929;1444023492;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkxvcM )
1291930;1444023496;mircea_popescu;ship beats car.
1291931;1444024140;mircea_popescu;http://yachtclubgames.com/2014/08/sales-one-month/ << here's one kickstarter that apparently made it. took ~300k in free money, made so-so successful game.
1291932;1444024141;assbot;Sales Breakdown: One month later! | Yacht Club Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1OemjeS )
1291933;1444024193;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291396 << cheers danp :)
1291934;1444024193;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 13:22:49; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291326 << https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/650631044241170432
1291935;1444024208;cazalla;submarine beats ship https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkVZ52NCcAE0Kix.jpg:large (try as i might, cannot find any sexy submariner women)
1291936;1444024209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OempTw )
1291937;1444024276;mircea_popescu;http://41.media.tumblr.com/3f2a6adcf10398543d0471beb14a19f6/tumblr_nf2wj7ZHqA1tdu6c7o1_500.jpg << guess what beats submarine.
1291938;1444024277;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkzxcP )
1291939;1444024279;pete_dushenski;http://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/09/the-five-rules-of-australias-most-successful-game-creator/ << found via sandbaydev's twatter
1291940;1444024281;assbot;The Five Rules Of Australia's Most Successful Game Creator | Kotaku Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkzxtr )
1291941;1444024317;pete_dushenski;yes, gizmodo property, should be burned, but from what i know of eulora, it seems to tick the 5 boxes
1291942;1444024381;pete_dushenski;also, just started poking juuso hietalahti. will provide updates.
1291943;1444024441;pete_dushenski;and i've been digging for names or connections on that wem chick but nothing's turned up. though it's entirely possible that she was visiting from out of town. the mall is a tourist trap extraordinaire.
1291944;1444024493;mircea_popescu;from experience, it's cheaper to create this stuff than to catalogue it.
1291945;1444024511;pete_dushenski;aha.
1291946;1444024513;mircea_popescu;" 50 million downloads and $10 million later" << eulora only made ~2k or so yet.
1291947;1444024519;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291488 << this is indeed the case.
1291948;1444024519;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 14:49:43; ascii_field: perhaps it was a case of 'soviet elephants are the biggest elephants'
1291949;1444024536;trinque;got pretty far on the buy/sell board this eve but it'll be a couple more days. colorado's attempt at murder slowed down my travels
1291950;1444024538;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu downloads or dollars ?
1291951;1444024550;pete_dushenski;trinque fight the fog !
1291952;1444024556;trinque;was quite a drive!
1291953;1444024558;trinque;I enjoyed it
1291954;1444024560;mircea_popescu;dollars.
1291955;1444024575;pete_dushenski;trinque it's good practise for parenthood. similar to sleep deprivation.
1291956;1444024587;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu how many downloads ?
1291957;1444024597;mircea_popescu;i don't actually keep track.
1291958;1444024649;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291591 << you're the prop master ;)
1291959;1444024649;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 17:08:09; mircea_popescu: are we betting wherer agent scully lost her freenode nick pw ?
1291960;1444024664;mircea_popescu;nah, she got in.
1291961;1444024683;pete_dushenski;cool beans
1291962;1444024753;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291607 << fuck is this prototype game currency ever a ball of yarn. but hey, what else is there ?
1291963;1444024753;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 17:49:14; mircea_popescu: check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
1291964;1444024821;mircea_popescu;turns out someone was "stress testing" by echoing malleated txn.
1291965;1444024862;mircea_popescu;it's funny what impotence does to people. they'd like to be part of bitcoin, EXCEPT not on bitcoin  terms. they wanna do it on their own terms. originally they hoped that derping on social media might do it,
1291966;1444024890;mircea_popescu;but after the massacre they got for their hopes this year, everything's tumbleweed city. r/bitcoin like r/buttcoin, the ever more numerous forums etc.
1291967;1444024906;mircea_popescu;so now they're "stress testing" aka if you won't care about my screaming im going to wet the bet.
1291968;1444024908;mircea_popescu;bed*
1291969;1444024918;pete_dushenski;"A woman goes to the gynecologist for an exam. She puts her feet into the stirrups and the doctor begins his exam. After a moment, he says, "You have an unusually deep vagina." The woman replies, "You don't have to say it twice." The doctor says, "I didn't."
1291970;1444024922;mircea_popescu;the part where the bed was made to piss you right in the forehead right back hasn't yet sunk in
1291971;1444025001;pete_dushenski;aha. the ol' plastic cover under the sheets trick. (with an electric pump and a hose feeding back overhead)
1291972;1444025008;mircea_popescu;anyway, he's to that day when sec/cftc/etc figure out that if they wanna play, they gotta behere, and play by the rules. and when academitards figure out that if they wanna play, they... gotta be here. and play by the rules. and when random tard etc.
1291973;1444025029;mircea_popescu;might be a while, but hey, until then, more psycho material to examine will be produced.
1291974;1444025064;cazalla;http://coinfire.io/2015/10/04/federal-investigations-of-cryptsy-underway/
1291975;1444025065;assbot;Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1hkBkyz )
1291976;1444025065;pete_dushenski;not like we're that old or have what better to do.
1291977;1444025119;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ever more feverish pitch of desperation is lulzy. "sell bitcoin to me". dude... why the fuck would i be selling anything to you ? fuck you, your approval is not required, your desires don't matter, you're not being persuaded here. you're being raped. nobody gives a shit about your consent, let alone excitement to use bitcoin. you'll use it to survive, and marginally at that.
1291978;1444025215;pete_dushenski;nah, i don't think we're anywhere near the "please oh pretty please sell to me" phase yet. still much closer to "why would i need something other than the dollar?"
1291979;1444025226;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1291980;1444025238;pete_dushenski;and this, the fiat millionaires, not thousandaires on reddit
1291981;1444025273;mircea_popescu;dude that kotaku article...
1291982;1444025285;mircea_popescu;"Penny�s hatred of losing is legendary in the Hall household. Every time there was a possibility of her losing a game, she�d close the app and toss the phone away. Every time a game threatened to kill her she would quit. Immediately."
1291983;1444025289;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2015#1291746 << he most certainly exists. i read a few of his books in the last few years. wasn't terribly offended by them either.
1291984;1444025289;assbot;Logged on 04-10-2015 23:02:38; mircea_popescu: omfg seth godin still exists. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/icn.seths.head.png now a visibly old man, trying to stick to the orange background in a green shirt. practically speaking a parody of itself (not that it didn't start off as a parody - but by now it's not even intentional anymore).
1291985;1444025302;mircea_popescu;"This feeds directly into Hall�s development process. Pac-Man 256 � a new version of Pac-Man that, if you�re good enough, literally never ends. Pac-Man as an endless runner. Or Crossy Road, an endless version of Frogger. In both games you are never punished for dying. Often you are rewarded.
1291986;1444025302;mircea_popescu;In fact death isn�t mentioned at all. Neither is failure. Death in the traditional video game sense is absent."
1291987;1444025305;mircea_popescu;fuck this shit omfg.
1291988;1444025322;mircea_popescu;permadeath. not optional. god damned...
1291989;1444025351;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski to me he's seriously another timecube.
1291990;1444025387;mircea_popescu;"his shit makes sense, in its own paradigm" "sure. so does anything. his paradigm is pretty stupid" "can you formally prove this ?" "no. because..."
1291991;1444025425;mircea_popescu;that's the guy's entire shtick. if your paradigm is stupid enough to not allow useful statements to be made, its inconsistency can not be proven. !godel approach to linguistic production.
1291992;1444025464;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291753 << wilkommen !
1291993;1444025464;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 00:34:46; gabrielradio: thanks, i'm gonna be lurking in the #b-a irc yeshiva for a while
1291994;1444025469;mircea_popescu;"but it enhanced my creativity" "so get a blowjob, eat a cookie, whatever".
1291995;1444025505;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu godin is more 'inspirer' than practical or pragmatic anything. he's the archetype of the popular 'business' genre
1291996;1444025531;mircea_popescu;right.
1291997;1444025535;pete_dushenski;oh plently of cookies are eaten. probably not enough blowies and walks though
1291998;1444025561;pete_dushenski;solo walks. sans headphones, sans idiots, sans smartphone.
1291999;1444025565;mircea_popescu;�I used to play a lot of complicated games like Dungeon Keeper " oh come the fuck on. dungeon keeper's main appeal was that is simplicity incarnated.
1292000;1444025623;mircea_popescu;the intellectual decay, over two short generations, is fucking awesome.
1292001;1444025646;pete_dushenski;and as much as anything, derps wanna ~buy~ inspiration. it might as well come in a tin with a pull-off top.
1292002;1444025710;pete_dushenski;and if other derps see you reading the label of your inspiration tin at the cool kids cafe, then maybe they'll instagram you and your business will win all kinds of phree exposure !
1292003;1444025732;mircea_popescu;the mutatis mutandis equivalent of this nonsense has existed for a longtime. doesn't even need that much mutation.
1292004;1444025771;mircea_popescu;anyway, since we're doing azn airplanes nao, http://40.media.tumblr.com/9e46715f2261529a56f56830b286f437/tumblr_npv140Xmu01sr664vo1_1280.jpg
1292005;1444025771;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeoYVG )
1292006;1444025820;pete_dushenski;https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums << and sicne we're up in the air, some space ships for good measure
1292007;1444025822;assbot;Project Apollo Archive’s albums | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oep6oj )
1292008;1444026020;trinque;going to say the second one needs more butts.
1292009;1444026051;pete_dushenski;https://www.facebook.com/289334207795128/videos/vb.289334207795128/970956059632936/?type=2&theater << "The Su-30 carries the single-barreled Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 cannon, which fires a 30X165mm cartridge at around 1,500 to 1,800 rounds per minute."
1292010;1444026052;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeptiI )
1292011;1444026060;pete_dushenski;^pointiness makes up for butts
1292012;1444026071;pete_dushenski;*lack of butts
1292013;1444026084;mircea_popescu;hows tx trinque ?
1292014;1444026115;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291759 << crystal ballin' now ? what is this 'due' business ?
1292015;1444026115;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 01:59:29; mats: it was due for a few weeks
1292016;1444026151;trinque;mircea_popescu: feels like home. perhaps someday there'll be a place outside the states I like more, but for now, this'll do
1292017;1444026160;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1292018;1444026167;trinque;ty
1292019;1444026196;trinque;I don't think I've yet articulated precisely what it is that I find redeemable here, as there is plenty to criticize.
1292020;1444026215;trinque;it is probably as simple as that it's more common here for people to rank and judge each other
1292021;1444026231;cazalla;trinque, ya lived there before or is this your first day?
1292022;1444026243;trinque;lived here since 11
1292023;1444026247;trinque;age not year
1292024;1444026275;trinque;moved to portland the first time in 08, second time in 2012
1292025;1444026401;trinque;see it's not the rank/judge thing either; everyone that's human does that
1292026;1444026405;trinque;it's the criteria used
1292027;1444026417;trinque;I will think on this further as I settle in
1292028;1444026431;mircea_popescu;moved for babes returned for food moved for babes returned for food ?
1292029;1444026458;trinque;right on the mark.
1292030;1444026472;trinque;and derpy projects like "if we just dumb down a database an idiot will blossom"
1292031;1444026475;trinque;in portland
1292032;1444026491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00042022 = 1.1346 BTC [+]
1292033;1444026503;mircea_popescu;never move for babes. the whole concept of babedom is they gotta move.
1292034;1444026620;trinque;first time was a journey with a babe, second time I moved one up while working on that db thing
1292035;1444026688;trinque;been shedding the notion that people can be improved without force for a while
1292036;1444026703;*;trinque checks his tree rings, thinks he's about done
1292037;1444026706;mircea_popescu;"We ended up operating for five months without money or payments to the team here. It was a difficult period, where some of us were awkwardly standing in front of cashiers having our credit cards declined, drawing from any possible savings, and borrowing money from our friends and family.  But we made it to the other side!"
1292038;1444026710;mircea_popescu;the 360k kickstarter.
1292039;1444026797;punkman;what is it like a 10-person team for an indie game?
1292040;1444026831;cazalla;top keks https://twitter.com/a3456gf/status/650588283328700416
1292041;1444026863;mircea_popescu;5, they said.
1292042;1444026885;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts indie efforts can manage more than ~4, really, which is essentially a double date
1292043;1444026886;punkman;oh and they can't live on 70k a year?
1292044;1444026909;mircea_popescu;(very often these numbers are fudged, it's not x people, it's two famblies. sort of like swining, except they don;t fuck.)
1292045;1444026955;mircea_popescu;punkman the article is very carefully engineered to bilk, which is why i linked it.
1292046;1444026961;pete_dushenski;cazalla lol
1292047;1444026966;punkman;didn't read yet
1292048;1444026999;mircea_popescu;is that you trolling ?
1292049;1444027017;cazalla;nope, nfi who it is
1292050;1444027093;mircea_popescu;o btw, do you have a reddit acct that's aged enough to make subreddits ?
1292051;1444027134;cazalla;shame you didn't ask last night :\ just deleted one this morning after it was banned from a bunch of subreddits
1292052;1444027148;mircea_popescu;a well.
1292053;1444027203;cazalla;you can't create a subreddit without an aged account?
1292054;1444027218;cazalla;i have another week old one but cannot remember pwd
1292055;1444027479;mircea_popescu;jurov dja happen to have any idea how to package linux code for steam ?
1292056;1444027847;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQhFDjRWEAA0uCA.jpg:large
1292057;1444027848;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ld8VGY )
1292058;1444027855;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/neversurrender/
1292059;1444027856;assbot;Never Surrender ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ld8VXs )
1292060;1444028039;mircea_popescu;ahh i love oglaf.
1292061;1444028046;trinque;so good
1292062;1444028417;punkman;http://asiancorrespondent.com/135989/thai-military-hazes-students-as-punishment-for-erotic-hazing-video/
1292063;1444028418;assbot;Thai military hazes students as punishment for erotic hazing video | Asian Correspondent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ld9CQw )
1292064;1444028533;mircea_popescu;sound principle
1292065;1444029635;punkman;http://marketingwpigulce.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/the-sooner.jpg
1292066;1444029636;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ldbj0j )
1292067;1444029724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00041859 = 5.7138 BTC [-]
1292068;1444029760;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/RvUNrve.png
1292069;1444029761;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdbwAE )
1292070;1444029785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.000418 = 1.5257 BTC [-]
1292071;1444029929;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/BQ0Dt
1292072;1444029930;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdbGIl )
1292073;1444030021;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ncNKUgz.jpg
1292074;1444030021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LdbOYc )
1292075;1444030456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00042022 = 6.6815 BTC [+]
1292076;1444034060;mircea_popescu;lol
1292077;1444034169;mircea_popescu;didanyone eventually advertise ?
1292078;1444036028;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291888 << is there a working alternative?
1292079;1444036028;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 04:25:32; mircea_popescu: does anyone seriously propose the "google is useful" myth anymore even ?
1292080;1444036054;mircea_popescu;"this pressed shit gun doesn't work" "is there an alternative ?"
1292081;1444036084;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm not the sort of hayseed that needs to search the web. but i assume there isn't, because it's a hard problem. there not being, however, does nothing for google, imo.
1292082;1444036490;PeterL;so on the occasion when you do want to search web, what do you use?
1292083;1444036631;mircea_popescu;search like how ?
1292084;1444036677;mircea_popescu;if it's some pop cult reference i either ask someone in the know or else ud/tvtropes. if it's some actual thing i usually know enough to know what to read.
1292085;1444036722;mircea_popescu;but in general, what sort of information do you obtain by putting words in a box ? suppose you search for "chicken broth" and they explain to you it's a heavy fuel oil. do you believe that ?
1292086;1444036739;mircea_popescu;do you now go through life with the notion in your head that chicken broth is a fuel oil ?
1292087;1444036757;mircea_popescu;and if you don't believe it anyway, then why bother with the box ?
1292088;1444036772;mircea_popescu;if i want to find out what X said i don't go to ask google, i go ask x. etc.
1292089;1444036858;PeterL;I find google useful as a starting point for finding things on the web
1292090;1444036867;mircea_popescu;like what ?
1292091;1444036882;PeterL;you don't get information from google, you just use google to get to the places with the info
1292092;1444036885;mircea_popescu;if it's a complex enough graph it really doesn't matter where you start.
1292093;1444036895;mircea_popescu;how do you know the places google takes you to have any info ?
1292094;1444036902;mircea_popescu;(other than the memory hole effect, of course)
1292095;1444036935;PeterL;the places it takes you to are to be evaluated separately from google
1292096;1444036983;PeterL;Usually I find what I search for in the first page of google
1292097;1444036995;mircea_popescu;but like, an example ?
1292098;1444037053;PeterL;okay, today I wanted to refresh my memory on writing a letter of resignation. I type in the box "how to write a letter of resignation", and 3 of the first four links had nice examples
1292099;1444037071;mircea_popescu;uh
1292100;1444037080;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.25103944 BTC on 'No' - Apple will trade above $150 on or before New Year's Day 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1159/apple-will-trade-above-150-on-or-before/#b15
1292101;1444037109;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've used style templates in the past twenty years. conceivably this may be a difference of style.
1292102;1444037124;mircea_popescu;i simply do not care what those examples may be, i expect to be the example for them.
1292103;1444037150;mircea_popescu;maybe in the end the story reduces to "i'm just uncurious enough"
1292104;1444037237;PeterL;another example, I wanted to try to make homemade bagels, I type in the box "bagel recipe", and it gives me several sites with recipes to try. Clearly, these are not all of the same quality, but I only have to look through a couple to find one wotrh trying
1292105;1444037333;PeterL;think from the other perspective, you say you are the example for things, how do people find your example to copy? Something like google can link them to you
1292106;1444037335;mircea_popescu;but see, the only reason i could conceivably be interested in is because a woman made them and i liked. then i ask her, such as my mom, or the chick in the cofee shop, or whoever. i don't think i ever wanted to make a random item.
1292107;1444037363;mircea_popescu;ah, sure. it can. it can also send them to paycoin, just as well.
1292108;1444037377;PeterL;You ask at a restraunt for a recipe of their dish and they give you something?
1292109;1444037384;mircea_popescu;not useful is like untrustworthy. doesn't mean "absolutely and in all cases zero use". it just means unreliable enough to be 0.
1292110;1444037392;mircea_popescu;this actually happened.
1292111;1444037427;mircea_popescu;(i rarely ask "gimme the recipe", because i'm actually sa pretty good cook. usually i ask "is this white sauce or what did you do ?!"
1292112;1444037449;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between these two classes of questions, you know, like in tech support.
1292113;1444037549;PeterL;another example, I am watching a movie and I want to know who the actor is. I google "cast of movie whatever", most likely it links to IMDB, I could have gone straight to IMBD, but it is easier to just start all searches from one place rather than trying to start at each individual site depending on the search
1292114;1444037563;mircea_popescu;for this i usually go straight to imdb
1292115;1444037582;mircea_popescu;tho i have homebrew talent, you know those people who know ALL THE ACTORS and ALL THE SONGS etc ?
1292116;1444037665;mircea_popescu;anwyay, google as bookmark organizer, which is what you're describing, is about as useful as that goes, sure. could just as well use any other
1292117;1444037798;PeterL;search google, click on what you want is two steps; go to site, search, maybe their search function works the way you expect is at least three steps
1292118;1444037856;mircea_popescu;see the thing that started this discussion. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291886
1292119;1444037856;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 04:25:17; mircea_popescu: ;;google ilkka kokkarinen's piece re: glass
1292120;1444037887;mircea_popescu;(and btw, i found it by typing se in myaddress bar which took me to search.bitcoin-assets.com/ rather than typing anything into google. because THIS always works and is way faster)
1292121;1444037989;mircea_popescu;in short, google may perhaps maintain the illusion of utility for as long as the needs are superficial and stay that way.but if you're mostly looking for specific stuff and tend to go beyond the surface of things, it doesn't actually do anything whatever.
1292122;1444038066;mircea_popescu;and right now, im doing (atypically) a foray into discussions of a topic im not particularly familiar with (indie game devel). i read upwards of fifty pages, i did not use google at any point throughout. because, here's the snatch : you try googling something to get you these results.
1292123;1444038075;mircea_popescu;these results specifically : http://www.pixelprospector.com/the-big-list-of-indie-game-marketing/
1292124;1444038076;assbot;The Big List Of Indie Game Marketing | PixelProspector - the indie goldmine ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeG1I9 )
1292125;1444038110;mircea_popescu;even when i'm playing way out of field, google still fails.
1292126;1444038271;mircea_popescu;and that said, i am probably in the top 1% when it comes to understanding the higher level issues involved, which means i canhammer together a search string like few others. so google would probably be lot more useful to me, were it to be useful at all, than to the general population.
1292127;1444038339;PeterL;but the general population is ignorant and does not care to alleviate their ignorance, so google works for them. If they can't find it on google, it doesn't exist
1292128;1444038360;mircea_popescu;this is all nice and good, but it still does not make it useful.
1292129;1444038374;mircea_popescu;the general population may be happy to pop sugar pills, but that doesn't make them medicine, right ?
1292130;1444038407;diana_coman;<mircea_popescu> these results specifically : http://www.pixelprospector.com/the-big-list-of-indie-game-marketing/ <- it's 2nd result returned for me on search: indie game marketing
1292131;1444038408;assbot;The Big List Of Indie Game Marketing | PixelProspector - the indie goldmine ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeG1I9 )
1292132;1444038422;diana_coman;then again, I am NOT finding google useful to find information in general
1292133;1444038423;mircea_popescu;diana_coman and would you rely on that ?
1292134;1444038448;diana_coman;IF I have no choice but to start that way, I would afterwards check the source basically
1292135;1444038463;diana_coman;so no
1292136;1444038478;mircea_popescu;not like im saying it should be illegal or anything.
1292137;1444038485;mircea_popescu;sugar pills ftw, for all i care.
1292138;1444038501;PeterL;What would a useful search engine entail, or do you see that as even possible?
1292139;1444038512;diana_coman;well, I think it might head that way, in the sense that it happened more than once that I searched for things with precise and specific keywords I knew were in there
1292140;1444038514;diana_coman;and it did not find them
1292141;1444038518;mircea_popescu;the original idea was superb, the pr thing. it's a great way to score a graph.
1292142;1444038530;diana_coman;and when I got there I had been right, the key words were exactly as given etc
1292143;1444038531;mircea_popescu;but then once people are aware of the scoring, you're lost and it's irredemable.
1292144;1444038536;diana_coman;so it's broken for sure
1292145;1444038578;mircea_popescu;i doubt the google problem is in any way different from the colored coins/ripple/ethereum problem, or generally "automated trust" issue.
1292146;1444038602;mircea_popescu;so yes in this sense, google is here to supersede "smart contracts" or vice-versa, whatever. either way really, nonsense's nonsense.
1292147;1444038641;diana_coman;it's still kind of ok for specific stuff, more like bookmarking kind of thing - I know what I'm searching for and roughly where it is, I just need the quick path to it (as in search on dl.acm for articles of X on topic Y or in journal Z)
1292148;1444038670;diana_coman;assuming the guy doesn't have his own page updated for some reason
1292149;1444038720;mircea_popescu;and then five years later you discover it hid for no reason one article out of 6
1292150;1444038728;mircea_popescu;and sadly that article could have saved you a year.
1292151;1444038768;diana_coman;well, if the guy was an idiot and did not update his page, what can one do
1292152;1444038805;diana_coman;the thing is that's usually just the start of something anyway
1292153;1444038819;diana_coman;so it doesn't really matter if it hid 1 of 6 - if it is any good, it will be referenced anyway
1292154;1444038825;diana_coman;so you need just a start on the web
1292155;1444038833;diana_coman;the rest is discovered through connections anyway
1292156;1444038848;diana_coman;whether it's that thread or the other one starts with, doesn't make a huge diff
1292157;1444038849;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah.
1292158;1444038913;mircea_popescu;the point of convenience, of course, and the humane way to do this, is where you know the people who'd have written articles on that topicanyway, so you put some bagels in the oven, ring them up, invite them over, and talk the matter through over wine.
1292159;1444038960;diana_coman;well yes, but uhm, not really sure they'd come all the way from australia, nz and whatever else, every time
1292160;1444038970;*;mircea_popescu does a dozen or more of these "so let me run this by you" citizen arrests things.
1292161;1444038992;mircea_popescu;+a week
1292162;1444039131;PeterL;mircea_popescu has alot more pull to abscond interesting people than we do
1292163;1444039146;diana_coman;fwiw I saw first-hand the horrible things google/search-reliance can do for lazy people too - there were some very sad (or laughable if so inclined) articles on Bitcoin in ACM magazine
1292164;1444039153;diana_coman;not to mention some "research"
1292165;1444039158;diana_coman;had some fun reading them
1292166;1444039186;diana_coman;basically a uni professor who had no idea of the topic but just heard he had to say something on it
1292167;1444039189;diana_coman;being important and all
1292168;1444039191;PeterL;"I read it on the internet, it must be true!"
1292169;1444039194;diana_coman;so he went and did a search
1292170;1444039208;mircea_popescu;diana_coman that's the other thing. the odds of me giving two pre-compressed, freeze dried rat shits on the "article" of some random derp i dunno... hm.
1292171;1444039217;diana_coman;no, he is a researcher so he knows about sources etc
1292172;1444039222;mircea_popescu;yaya.
1292173;1444039233;mircea_popescu;!s because that's how normal debates work
1292174;1444039234;assbot;2 results for 'because that's how normal debates work' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=because+that%27s+how+normal+debates+work
1292175;1444039236;diana_coman;just that he has the wrong ideas as to what is reliable source for btc
1292176;1444039247;mircea_popescu;so he doesn't know about sources.
1292177;1444039263;diana_coman;it turns out like that, yes, though he'd be surprised to find that out
1292178;1444039273;diana_coman;from his point of view  he cited only reputable stuff
1292179;1444039275;mircea_popescu;also known as dunning-kruger syndrome.
1292180;1444039411;mircea_popescu;anyway. the original point ofthings likethe mit ai lab, or the xerox parc, or etc, was that people could grab each other by the tie in the hallway
1292181;1444039424;mircea_popescu;hey, wait just a minute there!
1292182;1444039467;diana_coman;well you can grab people by their irc nick I suppose, not really by the tie at any moment
1292183;1444039518;mircea_popescu;i actually have great hope for the future ofthis system yes.
1292184;1444039917;mircea_popescu;anyway, my takeaway from teh reading is that s.mg should probably at least try and support steam. so if there's someone who actually has experience with this, talk to me.
1292185;1444046072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00042047 = 19.2575 BTC [+] {2} 
1292186;1444048573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.0004206 = 14.2163 BTC [+] {2} 
1292187;1444049944;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/5f07354626cca4a93c9060645f59fa1c/tumblr_nj5l9cxM8e1tm7pnlo1_1280.jpg gamer chicks, ta na na
1292188;1444049944;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1j95K8K )
1292189;1444052721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00041544 = 13.7095 BTC [-] {3} 
1292190;1444056407;btcdrak;Truth: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3nkg37/gavin_andresen_bitcoin_core_wont_make_the/cvouhs8
1292191;1444056409;assbot;luckdragon69 comments on Gavin Andresen: Bitcoin Core Won’t Make the Consensus Rules in the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOx417 )
1292192;1444056426;btcdrak;(not the title, but the comment I linked to lol)
1292193;1444057629;mircea_popescu;or for that matter... now. doh.
1292194;1444057871;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1292195;1444057874;mircea_popescu;hola alfie.
1292196;1444057900;ascii_field;¿Qué tal?
1292197;1444057908;mircea_popescu;:D!
1292198;1444057950;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292085 << the mega-application for google is 1) error messages 2) lines of published code.
1292199;1444057950;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 09:18:42; mircea_popescu: but in general, what sort of information do you obtain by putting words in a box ? suppose you search for "chicken broth" and they explain to you it's a heavy fuel oil. do you believe that ?
1292200;1444057962;ascii_field;more or less 99% of my use, fwiw
1292201;1444058037;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, there is that.
1292202;1444058049;mircea_popescu;works fine for lines of code. i guess if i programmed more.
1292203;1444058090;ascii_field;and don't forget crashes.
1292204;1444058112;mircea_popescu;i live in the dirigible world past the horizon, my shit dun crash.
1292205;1444058136;*;ascii_field wants to visit this one day
1292206;1444058150;mircea_popescu;(i really use very little software, and most of it either 30 years old or made by people i know)
1292207;1444058238;ascii_field;^same
1292208;1444058248;ascii_field;but unlike mircea_popescu i sometimes have to vivisect it.
1292209;1444058328;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292078 << there is, unfortunately, not. yandex is the closest to coming close.
1292210;1444058328;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 09:07:08; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291888 << is there a working alternative?
1292211;1444058495;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291977 << everybody, from king to slave, wants to buy 1) an epsilon below 'market rate' 2) without usg logging
1292212;1444058495;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 06:05:19; mircea_popescu: anyway, the ever more feverish pitch of desperation is lulzy. "sell bitcoin to me". dude... why the fuck would i be selling anything to you ? fuck you, your approval is not required, your desires don't matter, you're not being persuaded here. you're being raped. nobody gives a shit about your consent, let alone excitement to use bitcoin. you'll use it to survive, and marginally at that.
1292213;1444058533;ascii_field;whereas the fiat-megamoneybag folks also want 3) without nudging market rate
1292214;1444059736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00042 = 3.612 BTC [+]
1292215;1444060466;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no i meant, "sell it" as in, "convince me",.
1292216;1444060534;mircea_popescu;http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/10/04/pictorial-essay-18-things-i-did-that-my-grand-kids-cant-do-without-someone-getting-arrested/
1292217;1444060536;assbot;Pictorial Essay:  18 Things I Did That My Grand-kids Can’t Do Without Someone Getting Arrested «  The Burning Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z3PE0A )
1292218;1444060960;mircea_popescu;"With these ca. 100.000 dls we made a whooping $162 in total. In other words form 100.000 people playing or at least downloading the game 127 in App Purchases were tracked by Apple, which means that 0.13% of our user base as paid something inside the App. Don�t get us wrong: We are thankful for those purchases and we hope that you enjoy our game, but to build a sustainable business this won�t get us very far as an
1292219;1444060960;mircea_popescu;indie studio."
1292220;1444061059;ben_vulpes;!s britney spears
1292221;1444061060;assbot;26 results for 'britney spears' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=britney+spears
1292222;1444061098;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1292223;1444061118;ben_vulpes;guten tag!
1292224;1444061120;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292216 << appears to be down
1292225;1444061120;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 15:55:34; mircea_popescu: http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/10/04/pictorial-essay-18-things-i-did-that-my-grand-kids-cant-do-without-someone-getting-arrested/
1292226;1444061124;ascii_field;guten tag herr vulpes !
1292227;1444061168;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/vGrEC << maybe you';re just not allowed on heretic sites ascii_field ?
1292228;1444061169;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqW0BX )
1292229;1444061205;mircea_popescu;"I think it was great to get the game into the hands of a lot of people for free, even if it lost money for the studio.
1292230;1444061205;mircea_popescu;Moving onto your next app, you should have a decent fan base who will be more willing paying up front for your game."
1292231;1444061208;mircea_popescu;dude... fucking totally.
1292232;1444061228;mircea_popescu;who the fuckgives a shit, obscure studio making obscure app on that old tablet thing you meanwhile lost.
1292233;1444061276;ascii_field;'I can actually remember when Looney Toons was yanked in favor of more PC Barney the dinosaur bullshit. I remember when I got sent home with a note explaining to my parents that my pocket knife no longer acceptable. I remember when I got sent home with a note explaining to my parents that my pocket knife no longer acceptable.'
1292234;1444061281;ascii_field;^ mega-l0l
1292235;1444061286;mircea_popescu;"It's an interesting piece of info and it resonates a lot with the issues and choices I and to make with my game early this year. I can see how those numbers could be discouraging but I kind of agree with Sven, they are not that bad."
1292236;1444061317;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "i remember when stalin was cool"
1292237;1444061328;ascii_field;stalin has never been cooler than today.
1292238;1444061333;ascii_field;ask any kid in ru
1292239;1444061377;mircea_popescu;hm
1292240;1444061440;ascii_field;(well perhaps not ~any~ - but certainly it is more of a thing than the 'multi-coloured pill' business in gringolandia)
1292241;1444061479;mircea_popescu;a, sure
1292242;1444061997;mircea_popescu;http://www.streamingcolour.com/blog/2009/03/09/the-numbers-post-aka-brutal-honesty/ ah, the industree five years ago.
1292243;1444061999;assbot;The Numbers Post (aka Brutal Honesty) «  Streaming Colour Studios ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqXIU8 )
1292244;1444062011;mircea_popescu;2009, back when apple istore was worth less than a bar.
1292245;1444062027;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292050 << me. 8+ yrs.
1292246;1444062027;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 06:38:13; mircea_popescu: o btw, do you have a reddit acct that's aged enough to make subreddits ?
1292247;1444062027;mircea_popescu;and strangly there wasn't a reddit icrapple dedicated to mocking the funbux.
1292248;1444062035;ascii_field;it still works.
1292249;1444062047;mircea_popescu;o hey
1292250;1444062702;ben_vulpes;search'll need redoing on top of the wot as well.
1292251;1444062732;mircea_popescu;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/useful-prep-sheet-syria-media-propagandists
1292252;1444062733;assbot;A Useful Prep-Sheet On Syria For Media Propagandists | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1RqZbtB )
1292253;1444062735;mircea_popescu;nb
1292254;1444062742;mircea_popescu;1) Keep mentioning the barrel bombs.
1292255;1444062742;mircea_popescu;
1292256;1444062742;mircea_popescu;Do not mention how their use was pioneered by the Israeli Air Force in 1948, and how they were used by the US Air Force in Vietnam in Operation Inferno in 1968. Keep repeating, �barrel bombs, barrel bombs� and stating with a straight face that the Syrian regime is using them �against its own people.� Against its own people. Against its own people. Against its own people.
1292257;1444062754;mircea_popescu;kinda like spam, these people.
1292258;1444063041;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1292259;1444063212;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 13,900 before December 31st - http://bitbet.us/bet/1211/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b7
1292260;1444063213;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1210/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-jan-2016/#b9
1292261;1444065409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00041805 = 6.7724 BTC [-]
1292262;1444065775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37007 @ 0.00041783 = 15.4626 BTC [-] {2} 
1292263;1444066995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00041763 = 3.5916 BTC [-]
1292264;1444070767;deedbot-;[Qntra] Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer - http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/
1292265;1444071437;deedbot-;[Qntra] USMS Schedules Final Silk Road Auction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/usms-schedules-final-silk-road-auction/
1292266;1444071872;BingoBoingo;!up gabrielradio
1292267;1444072021;BingoBoingo;http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/sources-say-tension-with-dolphins-had-been-mounting-for-weeks-in-practice/
1292268;1444072022;assbot;Sources say tension with Dolphins had been mounting for weeks in practice | National Football Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mbsxrn )
1292269;1444072086;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/4chan-school-threat-philadelphia/
1292270;1444072087;assbot;FBI warns Philadelphia universities over 4chan post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbsBra )
1292271;1444072164;gabrielradio;http://www.puntersverdict.co.uk/articles/october-2015/Is-the-bookie-making-a-brain-dead-moron-out-of-you.php << meanwhile in fiat betting
1292272;1444072165;assbot;Is the bookie making a brain dead moron out of you? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MbsCLC )
1292273;1444072188;gabrielradio;"In Betfred�s own words the ACCAttacka has �reinvigorated the weekend football acca selection process with style & substance in equal measure.� [...] ACCAttacka innovation means you can simply log into your Betfred mobile account, select a desired bet stake, outline the amount of money you would like to win and then sit back and let the Betfred software build you a potential winning accumulator"
1292274;1444072250;gabrielradio;bitbet needs to get in on the action
1292275;1444072345;danielpbarron;bitbet is the exact opposite of that model, if I'm reading it correctly
1292276;1444073634;mircea_popescu;4chan gets troll crown
1292277;1444073679;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio ya think ?
1292278;1444073725;BingoBoingo;!up gabrielradio
1292279;1444073729;mircea_popescu;an' in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f34976c621f9f4c4102de6929352e4a4/tumblr_nj5es7Fd581qmb3uno1_1280.jpg
1292280;1444073731;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSXGmq )
1292281;1444073827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00042012 = 11.3819 BTC [+] {2} 
1292282;1444074828;thestringpuller;who need .bait when mircea_popescu is around
1292283;1444074873;gabrielradio;mircea_popescu not really. thinking about it, it's kinda the same thing as sdice. choose odds, send btc, roll the dice. only with a much larger -ev
1292284;1444074974;BingoBoingo;The problem when dealing with Brain Dead morons though is it requires an entire infrastructure to minimize the cost of interactions with them
1292285;1444075435;BingoBoingo;!up HostFat
1292286;1444075510;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/federal-judge-says-st-louis-lawyers-conduct-ethically-troubling/article_5797dfad-86bd-5cc3-9dd6-c8d35297662e.html
1292287;1444075511;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WIOYvA )
1292288;1444077182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00041706 = 19.4976 BTC [-] {3} 
1292289;1444078188;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ImAyCaa.png
1292290;1444078189;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QV25pu )
1292291;1444079889;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1292292;1444079914;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/usg-mil-ukraine.pdf >> l0ltr0nic >> http://dpaste.com/20QDW8P.txt
1292293;1444079915;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfxSDc )
1292294;1444079917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfxPr5 )
1292295;1444080283;mircea_popescu;!up livegnik
1292296;1444080312;mircea_popescu;http://www.infowars.com/pissforequality-feminists-fall-for-4chan-troll-campaign-by-peeing-themselves/
1292297;1444080313;assbot;» #PissForEquality: Feminists Fall For 4Chan Troll Campaign by Peeing Themselves Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pfy9WW )
1292298;1444080320;mircea_popescu;almost like 4chan is back or something.
1292299;1444080509;ascii_field;the real question is why it had to be done in the bathroom
1292300;1444080514;ascii_field;(does it matter where?)
1292301;1444080521;ascii_field;and the positions of the stains...
1292302;1444080530;ascii_field;at least one appears to have sat down?
1292303;1444080558;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what goes through these people's heads/
1292304;1444080597;ascii_field;'3rd wave feminism has become synonymous with outlandish preoccupations like manspreading, trigger warnings, safe spaces, slut walks and free bleeding, while genuine threats to women’s rights – particularly in Islamic countries – continue to be ignored.' << ahahahha
1292305;1444080600;ascii_field;free bleeding!
1292306;1444080614;mircea_popescu;what is that ?
1292307;1444080621;ascii_field;described in link
1292308;1444080635;mircea_popescu;apparently i skim too much.
1292309;1444080674;mircea_popescu;tbh slut walks not bad idea. one spot where i and teh derpeminists see eye to eye
1292310;1444080720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54974 @ 0.00041517 = 22.8236 BTC [-]
1292311;1444080835;ascii_field;https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/adult-diapers-surprising-trend-among-japanese-women-172721799.html << linked.
1292312;1444080837;assbot;Adult diapers a surprising new trend among Japanese women | Daily Buzz - Yahoo News Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfyI2J )
1292313;1444081006;mircea_popescu;http://joostdevblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/proun-is-big-success-pay-what-you-want.html << vaguely interesting, another piece of the "people should never get any options" puzzle.
1292314;1444081007;assbot;Joost's Dev Blog: Proun sales data revealed: Proun is a big success! Pay What You Want is not! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfyPve )
1292315;1444081025;mircea_popescu;diapers has been going for 30 years.
1292316;1444081038;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: for civilians ?!
1292317;1444081041;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1292318;1444081082;mircea_popescu;for late teens/early 20s women that have trouble maturing. match made in heaven with jaded blue collar / low prof late 40s males.
1292319;1444081108;mircea_popescu;they get a daddy-little relationship, she wears diapers, he does handiwork, it's perhaps the most functional couple of the western world.
1292320;1444081169;ascii_field;linked article described the diapers being purely a convenience/laziness thing - e.g., in casino, office workers avoiding toilet break
1292321;1444081182;ascii_field;so it'd be an 'advance'
1292322;1444081202;ascii_field;(fetishist diapers have been around for eons, yes)
1292323;1444081239;mircea_popescu;what people say and what people do is you know.
1292324;1444081275;ascii_field;sure.
1292325;1444081377;ascii_field;'Anderson refused to cooperate with prosecutors unless the CIA was present. Anderson wanted to be released from jail, Rosenblum said in court, and “he would literally lead (Davis) to warship-sized cargo of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars; he could lead Mr. Davis to connections in the Middle East involving pharaohs and kings.”' << win
1292326;1444081457;mircea_popescu;...
1292327;1444081503;ascii_field;( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292286 )
1292328;1444081503;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 20:05:10; BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/federal-judge-says-st-louis-lawyers-conduct-ethically-troubling/article_5797dfad-86bd-5cc3-9dd6-c8d35297662e.html
1292329;1444081563;mircea_popescu;ironically enough, eulora IS technically "pay what you want".
1292330;1444081585;mircea_popescu;o btw, you sending me stuff ascii_field ?
1292331;1444081609;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: yes! when i finally get home. a few hours from now.
1292332;1444081623;mircea_popescu;cool.
1292333;1444081685;*;ascii_field was 'earning sprats'
1292334;1444081841;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1292335;1444082127;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/wtc/wtc-photos.htm
1292336;1444082128;assbot;World Trade Center Photographs 3 October 2001 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzP2G )
1292337;1444082417;ascii_field;http://cryptome.org/wtc/wtc052.jpg << what is the purpose of the curtain? (appears in several other shots)
1292338;1444082420;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfA51r )
1292339;1444082490;cazalla;reduce dust blowing about?
1292340;1444082546;BingoBoingo;Apparently Linus has not been sufficiently emasculated yet. Rabbel Rouser returns with nuetering shears again https://archive.is/052Xw
1292341;1444082547;assbot;Closing a door | The Geekess ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAcKC )
1292342;1444082619;ascii_field;' I did not want to work professionally with people who were allowed to get away with subtle sexist or homophobic jokes. I feel powerless in a community that had a “Code of Conflict” without a specific list of behaviors to avoid and a community with no teeth to enforce it."
1292343;1444082624;ascii_field;mega-l0l
1292344;1444082658;ascii_field;'I have the right to replace any comment I feel like with “fart fart fart fart”. ' << win
1292345;1444082681;ascii_field;someone should teach this woman about the piss-pants-for-justice campaign.
1292346;1444082748;ascii_field;https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahannsharp << mega-w1nn3r
1292347;1444082749;assbot;Sarah Sharp | LinkedIn ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAmS8 )
1292348;1444082791;ascii_field;'Open Source Technology Center, Intel Corporation' << a little like 'adolf eichmann center for judaism'
1292349;1444082961;ben_vulpes;person in question made an appearance at $rokkitclub as well on the same topic.
1292350;1444082977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44358 @ 0.00042089 = 18.6698 BTC [+] {3} 
1292351;1444083006;ben_vulpes;$rokkitclub collectively blinked in confusion and carried on with tricks
1292352;1444083043;ben_vulpes;same club is gently discouraged from letting foreign students near the code and plans
1292353;1444083059;ben_vulpes;this leads to a stush that quickly dies down every 3-5 years
1292354;1444083129;pete_dushenski;ascii_field a little like 'adolf eichmann center for judaism' << heh.
1292355;1444083165;pete_dushenski;or the 'king tut's centre for kids who can't read good'
1292356;1444083307;pete_dushenski;"The Fast Lane Car tried to sketch some answers by going to a shop in Denver, Colorado to run a 2011 Jetta TDI with a six-speed DSG transmission on an all-wheel-drive dyno. The thinking was that if you ran all four wheels the car would think it was on the road, whereas if you ran only two the car might think it's being tested. We'll get straight to the numbers: the stock sedan is quoted at 140 horsepower and 236
1292357;1444083308;pete_dushenski; pound-feet of torque. When run with all four wheels turning it produced an uncorrected 114 hp and 214 lb-ft at the wheels. When run with just two wheels in motion the Jetta got 113 hp and 188 lb-ft at the wheels. Reading the graph, we're told that power differences between the two runs were as much as 15 hp and 32 lb-ft."
1292358;1444083327;pete_dushenski;inb4 no one "fixes" their vw diesels
1292359;1444083343;pete_dushenski;it's like a recall on male foreskin
1292360;1444083361;BingoBoingo;"Rascal Scooter Center for Nutrition Studies"
1292361;1444083394;pete_dushenski;'oh, we told the regulators that you were circumcized and they found out that you actually weren't. please visit your nearest stealership so we can right this terrible wrong.'
1292362;1444083405;ascii_field;at this point even microshit's open sourceism record beats intel's.
1292363;1444083418;ascii_field;(yes! laugh if you will, but 'visual studio' for linux! and c# !)
1292364;1444083496;BingoBoingo;http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/60866-female-devs-outburst-against-torvalds-was-planned
1292365;1444083563;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292160 << hot damn i have to start doing this. inquiring minds would love a list of List of People Kidnapped By MP This Week And What They Taught Him. also, does argentina actually have a dozen ppl worth mircea_popescu's time ~every~ week ?
1292366;1444083563;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 09:56:10; *: mircea_popescu does a dozen or more of these "so let me run this by you" citizen arrests things.
1292367;1444083617;*;ascii_field bbl
1292368;1444083728;pete_dushenski;http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/364/791/6/S3647916/slug/l/land-rover-range-rover-evoque-convertible-wireframes-002-1.jpg << very neat marketing. (yes, irl wireframe!)
1292369;1444083728;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfBepG )
1292370;1444083831;kakobrekla;great use of parking space
1292371;1444083905;pete_dushenski;also great for smog reduction
1292372;1444083971;kakobrekla;by making the drivers search for parking longer?
1292373;1444084083;pete_dushenski;by selling fashionistas cars that don't even run :)
1292374;1444084116;*;pete_dushenski just unwrapped, fresh off the boat from new delhi, his copy of 'the art of not being governed'
1292375;1444084338;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/O9vqB#selection-2617.0-2621.186 << Fuck, now hams are copying the 4chaners
1292376;1444084340;assbot;overview for thefuckedupking ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfBHIH )
1292377;1444084447;cazalla;BingoBoingo, the funny thing about infowars publishing 4chan  trolls is that infowars published 4chan trolls it thought to be real (katrina loot crew)
1292378;1444084502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4928 @ 0.00041515 = 2.0459 BTC [-] {2} 
1292379;1444084563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112516 @ 0.00041203 = 46.36 BTC [-] {4} 
1292380;1444084955;pete_dushenski;"American Apparel Inc, known as much for its sexually charged advertising and controversial founder as for its fashion offerings, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Monday" << this is what 'made in american sweatshops' buys you. $20.5 mn of 'value' and $300 mn in debt.
1292381;1444084970;pete_dushenski;so much for american industry competing with asian industry.
1292382;1444085510;ben_vulpes;wahahahahaha
1292383;1444085607;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I though the loot crew actually happened, even though the hashtag was a troll
1292384;1444085700;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1292385;1444085701;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 241.61, Best ask: 241.88, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 241.6, 24 hour volume: 11217.83812713, 24 hour low: 236.24, 24 hour high: 241.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1292386;1444085731;pete_dushenski;o hey back in the '40s. just like mpoe...
1292387;1444086538;pete_dushenski;'list of List of' << hah. oops.
1292388;1444086574;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292014 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-09-2015#1279671
1292389;1444086574;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 06:21:55; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1291759 << crystal ballin' now ? what is this 'due' business ?
1292390;1444086574;assbot;Logged on 19-09-2015 15:38:06; mircea_popescu: dividing the mkt cap by the mkt volume roughly yields the "empty hopes" factor.
1292391;1444086640;cazalla;BingoBoingo, i think it did, but the pictures were reused for a fake loot crew during some other event to troll alex jones into reporting it as fact
1292392;1444086653;pete_dushenski;adlai mpex is empty hopes ?
1292393;1444086667;*;adlai notes that since volume's dimension is assets/time, "hope" is measured in... time
1292394;1444086712;adlai;pete_dushenski: no, but some asset holders might've had hopes which were unrealizable over the required timeframe
1292395;1444086744;cazalla;BingoBoingo, https://encyclopediadramatica.se/SANDYLOOTCREW there we go, had my 4chans and gnaa's mixed up
1292396;1444086745;assbot;#SANDYLOOTCREW - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQpXuh )
1292397;1444086764;pete_dushenski;adlai guess so eh
1292398;1444086767;BingoBoingo;Ah ic
1292399;1444086800;adlai;imagine if Mr 80ksat had been able to spread out his hope of mpoenership over a couple months longer. market would look totally different today.
1292400;1444086911;pete_dushenski;indeed.
1292401;1444086917;pete_dushenski;!s from:adlai !rate
1292402;1444086918;assbot;9 results for 'from:adlai !rate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aadlai+%21rate
1292403;1444086945;ben_vulpes;ooh i love this thread
1292404;1444087001;pete_dushenski;"-1pete_dushenski1.022362 Sep 19, 2015 drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen" << only on btcalpha then, eh adlai
1292405;1444087001;assbot;7 results for 'drama queen"' - #bitcoin-assets search
1292406;1444087011;adlai;!rated pete_dushenski
1292407;1444087011;assbot;You rated user pete_dushenski on 19-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen.
1292408;1444087045;pete_dushenski;lol +1 ?? then why am i seeing -1 ?
1292409;1444087053;adlai;hard problem #2
1292410;1444087109;pete_dushenski;adlai so it was supposed to be +1 ?
1292411;1444087118;ben_vulpes;!gettrust adlai pete_dushenski
1292412;1444087119;assbot;Trust relationship from user adlai to user pete_dushenski: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=adlai&to=pete_dushenski | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/pete_dushenski/
1292413;1444087154;pete_dushenski;if so, there go all my crank theories, right out the window !
1292414;1444087168;adlai;actually it seems to be #1! http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html
1292415;1444087169;assbot;TwoHardThings ... ( http://bit.ly/1FQqwUR )
1292416;1444087201;pete_dushenski;"There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
1292417;1444087207;pete_dushenski;i lolled
1292418;1444087240;adlai;somebody get mathias a pogo
1292419;1444087355;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mike_c some discrepancy here: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=adlai&to=pete_dushenski and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292407
1292420;1444087356;assbot;WoT Trust - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWXgdQ )
1292421;1444087356;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:16:51; assbot: You rated user pete_dushenski on 19-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=drama+queen.
1292422;1444087356;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1292423;1444087401;adlai;such drama
1292424;1444087402;pete_dushenski;so much for my fun ;/
1292425;1444087414;adlai;much fun
1292426;1444087483;pete_dushenski;https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/ << '279' xt nodez. how many 'half-dollar aws instances' is left as an exercise to the reader.
1292427;1444087485;assbot;Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWXsKc )
1292428;1444087626;pete_dushenski;and speaking of wowz and suches and muches and scamcoins, i just checked the chart for dogecoin and it's really surprisingly stable. also noted that $50-100k of the crap trades hands on a daily basis. then again, could be some dogederps trading with himself all day.
1292429;1444087678;adlai;which exchange?
1292430;1444087722;pete_dushenski;data was from coinmarketcap
1292431;1444087769;pete_dushenski;seems to aggregate several exchanges.
1292432;1444087829;pete_dushenski;o hey eth -7% today.
1292433;1444087861;adlai;yes, i'm not trusting that ~23% from cryptsy, it's essentially holding funds hostage by blowing up the transfer fees
1292434;1444087879;adlai;nfc about this 'btc38'
1292435;1444088033;pete_dushenski;can't say i've heard of 'btc38' before either
1292436;1444088148;pete_dushenski;well, we have some folks dropping by shortly so ima make some waves !
1292437;1444088260;BingoBoingo;Oh ivermectin and artemisinin won the nobel prize for medicine this year
1292438;1444088628;ben_vulpes;my money's on btcalpha sucking in ratings from #b-a feed
1292439;1444088645;ben_vulpes;which raises a problem i spotted a while back and didn't raise, which is that ratings are not independently verifiable.
1292440;1444088699;ben_vulpes;worst case scenario, unless the standard is verifiability, #bitcoin-jesters could cause all sortsa problems trying to federate their wot into this one.
1292441;1444088789;ben_vulpes;imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
1292442;1444088894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00041071 = 18.8927 BTC [-]
1292443;1444089504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47630 @ 0.00041071 = 19.5621 BTC [-]
1292444;1444089526;ben_vulpes;shesek: your ip is leaking
1292445;1444090254;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/052Xw <<< o hey, sharp finally found her way out ? this is good for linux.
1292446;1444090255;assbot;Closing a door | The Geekess ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfAcKC )
1292447;1444090643;mircea_popescu;"Mircea Popescu on October 5, 2015 at 5:17 pm said:
1292448;1444090643;mircea_popescu;Your comment is awaiting moderation.
1292449;1444090643;mircea_popescu;Good riddance.
1292450;1444090643;mircea_popescu;You were the only toxic thing in that entire story. Hopefully your failure informs other women, at a young age when they confront the choice of whether to be sarah-sharp-toxic or productive members of society, and they choose to not be sarah-sharp-toxic.
1292451;1444090643;mircea_popescu;Meanwhile, the only thing you will be remembered for is your noxious quality."
1292452;1444090650;mircea_popescu;somehow i suspek it ain't getting published, but anyway.
1292453;1444090999;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292365 << lol. i have yet to meet an argentinian that would be qualified to finish highschool. fortunately, online's a thing.
1292454;1444090999;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 22:19:23; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292160 << hot damn i have to start doing this. inquiring minds would love a list of List of People Kidnapped By MP This Week And What They Taught Him. also, does argentina actually have a dozen ppl worth mircea_popescu's time ~every~ week ?
1292455;1444091059;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292364 << of course it was fucking planned. the cockroaches don't do anything without a lot of sitting around and chanting alinsky at each other
1292456;1444091059;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 22:18:16; BingoBoingo: http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/60866-female-devs-outburst-against-torvalds-was-planned
1292457;1444091067;mircea_popescu;for a few days at least.
1292458;1444091090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34454 @ 0.00041 = 14.1261 BTC [-]
1292459;1444091357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292416 << i lolled
1292460;1444091357;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:20:01; pete_dushenski: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
1292461;1444091367;deedbot-;[Qntra] Bharara Snubbed By Supreme Court - http://qntra.net/2015/10/bharara-snubbed-by-supreme-court/
1292462;1444091429;BingoBoingo;^ Preet continues being ejected by the system which grew him
1292463;1444091445;mircea_popescu;heh.
1292464;1444091477;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << this is a complex problem. it's unclear why third party should even be able to verify ratings.
1292465;1444091477;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:46:29; ben_vulpes: imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
1292466;1444091495;mircea_popescu;if you don't know me, i don't see why you have any right or any permission to use my ratings of someone else.
1292467;1444091507;mircea_popescu;if you do know me, you can verify them.
1292468;1444091664;BingoBoingo;From the "I'm not sure if the fundamently misunderstanding is even being misunderstood" department http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/#comment-63937
1292469;1444091665;assbot;Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KX2xSS )
1292470;1444091788;mircea_popescu;from the "we are young, we're free, why don't you sleep with me" department, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1b28ccdf0aeb0e6a237b388aa7aeafa9/tumblr_njnlik7Eb21qmb3uno1_1280.jpg
1292471;1444091790;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VzY0h6 )
1292472;1444093048;asciilifeform;aaah.
1292473;1444093203;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292464 << insert the great gossipd thread here !
1292474;1444093203;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 00:31:17; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << this is a complex problem. it's unclear why third party should even be able to verify ratings.
1292475;1444093255;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292462 << all i see here is 'don't meddle in the affairs of lizards'
1292476;1444093255;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 00:30:29; BingoBoingo: ^ Preet continues being ejected by the system which grew him
1292477;1444093265;asciilifeform;wake me up when they let a preeted plebe go.
1292478;1444093271;asciilifeform;e.g. ulbricht
1292479;1444093288;*;BingoBoingo watching for that
1292480;1444093296;asciilifeform;will be waitin' long time.
1292481;1444093322;BingoBoingo;These people weren't exactly of the "scaled" class
1292482;1444093357;asciilifeform;i've yet to see a fella who works for a living accused of 'insider trade'.
1292483;1444093407;mircea_popescu;mostly because you work in sweatshop C rather than sweatshop A.
1292484;1444093420;asciilifeform;zoolag F actually
1292485;1444093424;asciilifeform;right next door to E.
1292486;1444093479;BingoBoingo;These were more aspiring lizards.
1292487;1444093481;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292426 << iirc hearn ordered that his nodez lie about version
1292488;1444093481;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:24:43; pete_dushenski: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/ << '279' xt nodez. how many 'half-dollar aws instances' is left as an exercise to the reader.
1292489;1444093543;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292416 << >> 'there are two hard things: titanic nonproblem A and astonishing irrelevancy B !'
1292490;1444093543;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:20:01; pete_dushenski: "There are only two hard problems in distributed systems: 2. Exactly-once delivery 1. Guaranteed order of messages 2. Exactly-once delivery -- Mathias Verraes"
1292491;1444093560;asciilifeform;how i loathe these 'deep thought' wankatronicists.
1292492;1444093572;mircea_popescu;he wants to do p2p rpc
1292493;1444093582;asciilifeform;straight to urbit.
1292494;1444093611;asciilifeform;but srsly, who the everliving fuck cares how many times a message is delivered !
1292495;1444093626;mircea_popescu;no, this one's with aeroplanes.
1292496;1444093631;asciilifeform;or in what order
1292497;1444093642;asciilifeform;(if you insist on enforcing order, do it cryptographically)
1292498;1444093657;asciilifeform;how is this a problem of any kind.
1292499;1444093662;*;mircea_popescu sets alf up for 1trn deliveries of the exact time 
1292500;1444093686;*;asciilifeform implodes into a cosmic singularity
1292501;1444093829;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292428 << 'that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons' even scamz may die
1292502;1444093829;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:27:06; pete_dushenski: and speaking of wowz and suches and muches and scamcoins, i just checked the chart for dogecoin and it's really surprisingly stable. also noted that $50-100k of the crap trades hands on a daily basis. then again, could be some dogederps trading with himself all day.
1292503;1444093897;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292441 << afaik there is no hard-crypto record of the logz (beyond snippets some of us may be willing to sign)
1292504;1444093897;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:46:29; ben_vulpes: imho (and i'm always wrong, it's cool bru) it should be possible to reconstruct the current state of the wot from a log of !rate's and !v's
1292505;1444093965;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu wrote something re: how he wants wot as a very fluid and informal animal that can't be 'optimized against'
1292506;1444093980;asciilifeform;ergo no verify unless you're phriendz with the rater
1292507;1444094755;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292419 << you can rate in private too, ya know
1292508;1444094756;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 23:22:35; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mike_c some discrepancy here: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=adlai&to=pete_dushenski and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292407
1292509;1444094770;asciilifeform;http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/rt-is-a-mock-up-of-the-real-thing/535896.html << tr0l0l0l
1292510;1444094771;assbot;RT Is a Mock-Up of the Real Thing | Opinion | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmPEqg )
1292511;1444094793;asciilifeform;(yes it was translated ~back~ to engl. just for extra l0l tonnage)
1292512;1444094881;asciilifeform;http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/nato-denounces-unacceptable-russian-incursion-into-turkey/536980.html << m0ar lulz from same fishwrap.
1292513;1444094881;assbot;NATO Denounces 'Unacceptable' Russian Incursion Into Turkey | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmPP54 )
1292514;1444094940;asciilifeform;'Konstantin Sonin, a columnist for Vedomosti, is a professor at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy Studies and the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.' << so apparently they haven't purged ~all~ the vermin quite yet.
1292515;1444095332;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/dodi/2015/opnav-5510-165a.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/3MPNQHF.txt >> mega-l0l!
1292516;1444095333;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmQrHI )
1292517;1444095335;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmQrHW )
1292518;1444095343;asciilifeform;will there be an insider-threat-division in the insider-threat-division ?!
1292519;1444095349;asciilifeform;how many levels of stack has the u.s. navy ?
1292520;1444096092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52292 @ 0.00041083 = 21.4831 BTC [+]
1292521;1444096646;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably Joe levels of Stack
1292522;1444096763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78103 @ 0.00040995 = 32.0183 BTC [-] {3} 
1292523;1444097068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00041083 = 14.9542 BTC [+]
1292524;1444097678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041095 = 14.1778 BTC [+] {3} 
1292525;1444099347;hanbot;!b 3
1292526;1444099348;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HA1FN3.txt )
1292527;1444099386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46264 @ 0.00041235 = 19.077 BTC [+] {3} 
1292528;1444099447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29686 @ 0.00041523 = 12.3265 BTC [+] {3} 
1292529;1444099773;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz!
1292530;1444099773;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1292531;1444100328;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292450 << somehow i can't help but picture maggots, having devoured a quantity of gangrenous tissue, proceeding to living flesh - i.e. 'gnome' and 'kde' have been poetteringed into putrescent soup, and now it is time for the kernel...
1292532;1444100328;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 00:17:23; mircea_popescu: You were the only toxic thing in that entire story. Hopefully your failure informs other women, at a young age when they confront the choice of whether to be sarah-sharp-toxic or productive members of society, and they choose to not be sarah-sharp-toxic.
1292533;1444100364;asciilifeform;aaaaaand it all goes back to hardware.
1292534;1444100382;asciilifeform;it being the ONLY reason one cannot permanently nail down a kernel and pour cement over it.
1292535;1444100411;asciilifeform;this ~will~ have to be addressed, or kittenz and rainbowz will come to grief.
1292536;1444100462;asciilifeform;amd co., the old gentle giant, is not long for this world.  which leaves intel, which is a malignancy.
1292537;1444100496;asciilifeform;ten thousand kinds of vermin are quietly (and not so quietly) waiting for this day.
1292538;1444100546;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's sometimes-powerful medicine of putting on a blindfold and pretending that nothing happens outside of his wot - will not work here.
1292539;1444100591;asciilifeform;my own favourite pill, of stockpiling hardware, is also no kind of solution to anything.
1292540;1444100611;asciilifeform;(anything outside of my humble zimbabwe hut, that is)
1292541;1444100636;asciilifeform;new iron will have to be baked.
1292542;1444100639;asciilifeform;(by whom...?)
1292543;1444100667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00041625 = 25.5786 BTC [+] {3} 
1292544;1444101826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.0004171 = 15.0573 BTC [+] {2} 
1292545;1444101887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00040977 = 4.4665 BTC [-]
1292546;1444103595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00041799 = 27.1694 BTC [+] {4} 
1292547;1444104754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00042138 = 21.3008 BTC [+] {3} 
1292548;1444105547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00041937 = 10.3584 BTC [-]
1292549;1444105958;asciilifeform;!up gabriel_laddel
1292550;1444106054;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: what is wrong with stockpiling AMD opterons?
1292551;1444106089;gabriel_laddel;sure, it is only a temporary solution, but we've no other option
1292552;1444106107;asciilifeform;stockpile the (increasingly unobtainable) mobos first
1292553;1444107133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00041527 = 19.7253 BTC [-] {2} 
1292554;1444107645;cazalla;well, Black Mass http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1355683/ was a total disappointment
1292555;1444107838;BingoBoingo;Johnny Depp is already a parody of himself. Give it two years and he'll do the Nicholas Cage thing where he fights for parts in straight to home video flicks just to pay the bills.
1292556;1444108054;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/96K76xy.jpg
1292557;1444108056;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hncGNZ )
1292558;1444109037;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1292559;1444109044;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 240.88, vol: 24768.80455782 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 239.7, vol: 9857.40637 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 241.73, vol: 11952.90201183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 1.28447416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.432246, vol: 20504.38350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 240.25001, vol: 86.56163666 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 242.378949989, vol: 47.69713933 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1292560;1444109046;BingoBoingo;;;more
1292561;1444109046;gribble;average: 242.247140954
1292562;1444109243;trinque;ben_vulpes | worst case scenario, unless the standard is verifiability, #bitcoin-jesters could cause all sortsa problems trying to federate their wot into this one. << I have pondered making deedbot- eat rss feeds *of deeds*; sounds applicable here
1292563;1444109290;trinque;perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
1292564;1444109303;trinque;one for general deeds, one for buy/sell ads, one for rates?
1292565;1444109325;trinque;something to think about. in other news, my journey is complete
1292566;1444109369;trinque;you know, you could probably make a pretty cool DHT system where the indexes of interesting keys are the txns sent from particular addresses
1292567;1444111037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139417 @ 0.00041696 = 58.1313 BTC [+] {6} 
1292568;1444111098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17683 @ 0.00042265 = 7.4737 BTC [+] {2} 
1292569;1444113599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6474 @ 0.00041548 = 2.6898 BTC [-]
1292570;1444113904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18032 @ 0.00042038 = 7.5803 BTC [+]
1292571;1444114392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8445 @ 0.00042038 = 3.5501 BTC [+]
1292572;1444116893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00042415 = 13.3183 BTC [+] {3} 
1292573;1444116954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64450 @ 0.00042634 = 27.4776 BTC [+] {2} 
1292574;1444117966;BingoBoingo;All gambling outside of BitBet is a scam http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/05/draftkings_and_fanduel_scrutinized_for_insider_info_after_employee_leak.html
1292575;1444117967;assbot;DraftKings and FanDuel scrutinized for insider info after employee leak, win. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FU9J2X )
1292576;1444118052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00042661 = 15.8486 BTC [+] {2} 
1292577;1444118354;punkman;BingoBoingo: how do people bet on fantasy sports?
1292578;1444118390;BingoBoingo;They each throw a bit of money into a pot, then winner/platform takes all
1292579;1444118489;BingoBoingo;https://www.slimgr.com/images/2015/10/05/bebcbdb04a083de92f29ac067225e21d.jpg
1292580;1444118491;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrUHTB )
1292581;1444119006;BingoBoingo;It's apparently been a year https://imgur.com/a/6rk2e
1292582;1444119007;assbot;Bearwhale - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrUZtD )
1292583;1444120497;punkman;http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/12/all-you-need-is-love/302351/
1292584;1444120499;assbot;All You Need Is Love - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1Z6iJZ9 )
1292585;1444121459;punkman;http://www.wired.com/2015/10/no-comments-allowed-reddits-new-news-site-upvoted/
1292586;1444121459;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeaLD2 )
1292587;1444121517;punkman;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/im-on-twitter-too
1292588;1444121518;assbot;We're Replacing Comments with Something Better | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1LeaTT8 )
1292589;1444121712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.0004244 = 13.602 BTC [-]
1292590;1444122435;cazalla;https://youtu.be/82UsZ44AxIA?t=4m50s
1292591;1444122436;assbot;Japanese Man Accidentally Burns Down His House While Live Streaming | Japanese Streamer Home Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Leds7D )
1292592;1444122564;cazalla;!up gabriel_laddel
1292593;1444122584;gabriel_laddel;ty
1292594;1444122591;gabriel_laddel;http://www.tanyakhovanova.com/Jokes/jokes.html
1292595;1444122593;assbot;Math Humor ... ( http://bit.ly/1LedQ5V )
1292596;1444122598;gabriel_laddel;some choice lines
1292597;1444122603;gabriel_laddel;"Entropy isn't what it used to be."
1292598;1444122606;gabriel_laddel;"What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?"
1292599;1444122615;gabriel_laddel;"Grigori Perelman's theorem: There is no offer you can't refuse."
1292600;1444122630;gabriel_laddel;most are meh, but w/e
1292601;1444122772;gabriel_laddel;* * * Windows error messages in haiku
1292602;1444122783;gabriel_laddel; A file that big?
1292603;1444122783;gabriel_laddel;It might be very useful.
1292604;1444122783;gabriel_laddel;But now it is gone.
1292605;1444122798;gabriel_laddel; ABORTED effort:
1292606;1444122798;gabriel_laddel;Close all that you have worked on.
1292607;1444122798;gabriel_laddel;You ask way too much.
1292608;1444122929;gabriel_laddel;"No Comments Allowed on Reddit’s New News Site ‘Upvoted’"
1292609;1444123001;gabriel_laddel;Wow, brilliant guys. Really, truly, innovative. Von N., Turing, Engelbart, McCarthy etc would be proud.
1292610;1444123298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00042439 = 9.761 BTC [-] {2} 
1292611;1444123725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00042664 = 12.1166 BTC [+]
1292612;1444123896;gabriel_laddel;If a man tries to fail and succeeds, which did he do?
1292613;1444123904;gabriel_laddel;A PHD in string theory!
1292614;1444123915;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292505 << yeah he did, http://trilema.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/ and conversationally many places such as recently http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288346
1292615;1444123915;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 01:12:45; asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wrote something re: how he wants wot as a very fluid and informal animal that can't be 'optimized against'
1292616;1444123916;assbot;Arta pedepsirii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Leh4qa )
1292617;1444123916;assbot;Logged on 30-09-2015 09:29:18; mircea_popescu: i don't want anything specific. but i will be keeping track of a large ammount of tiny indicators, because anything else results in exam-taking-training.
1292618;1444124019;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292510 <<< bwahahaha and moscow times is the real thing ?
1292619;1444124019;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 01:26:11; assbot: RT Is a Mock-Up of the Real Thing | Opinion | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmPEqg )
1292620;1444124020;mircea_popescu;such lulz.
1292621;1444124031;mircea_popescu;but yes, the russian did it poorly. should have been America Today.
1292622;1444124175;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292538 << pfff!
1292623;1444124175;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 03:02:26; asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's sometimes-powerful medicine of putting on a blindfold and pretending that nothing happens outside of his wot - will not work here.
1292624;1444124241;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292563 << no it doesn't, simmer down.
1292625;1444124241;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 05:28:10; trinque: perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
1292626;1444124256;mircea_popescu;not everything that isn't specced but could be specced should be. that's how idiocy gets in.
1292627;1444124287;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292577 << they don't. they fantasize that they did.
1292628;1444124287;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 07:59:14; punkman: BingoBoingo: how do people bet on fantasy sports?
1292629;1444124360;*;mircea_popescu has skipped atantic, wired, vice links. will continue to do so. 
1292630;1444124459;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292529 << no i don't ?
1292631;1444124459;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 02:49:33; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz!
1292632;1444127812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00042667 = 33.0669 BTC [+] {4} 
1292633;1444128422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96772 @ 0.00042695 = 41.3168 BTC [+] {2} 
1292634;1444129642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52150 @ 0.00042886 = 22.365 BTC [+]
1292635;1444131716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00042949 = 9.7065 BTC [+] {2} 
1292636;1444132265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93450 @ 0.00043183 = 40.3545 BTC [+] {3} 
1292637;1444133115;mircea_popescu;so upon examination it turns out that polimedia mx dns record has been poisoned somehow, or what the fuck.
1292638;1444133127;mircea_popescu;anyone else see Preferred:  10p.nsm.ctmail.com38.113.116.194 216.163.188.57 216.163.176.42220 c9bh03.amadis.com ESMTP Postfix
1292639;1444133128;mircea_popescu;?
1292640;1444133179;kakobrekla;;; ANSWER SECTION:
1292641;1444133179;kakobrekla;polimedia.us.           3599    IN      MX      10 p.nsm.ctmail.com.
1292642;1444133179;gribble;Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
1292643;1444133315;mircea_popescu;da fuck.
1292644;1444133453;mircea_popescu;local zone is correct.
1292645;1444133505;mircea_popescu;;; ANSWER SECTION:
1292646;1444133505;gribble;Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
1292647;1444133505;mircea_popescu;polimedia.us.1800INA64.74.223.37
1292648;1444133509;mircea_popescu;ahaha what the everloving fuck.
1292649;1444134495;punkman;I get p.nsm.ctmail.com too
1292650;1444134587;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does this even work ? http://dpaste.com/1PBK2J4
1292651;1444134588;assbot;dpaste: 1PBK2J4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUx6t2 )
1292652;1444134791;punkman;bunch of other people had their MX directed to p.nsm.ctmail.com if you google it
1292653;1444134832;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/09J1H1A << hijack through and through.
1292654;1444134833;assbot;dpaste: 09J1H1A ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUxqIm )
1292655;1444134877;mircea_popescu;"Hello, ctmail.com is a domain used by Internet security software and devices. For more information please contact info@support.ctmail.com."
1292656;1444134881;mircea_popescu;ahem.
1292657;1444134902;mircea_popescu;‎
1292658;1444134903;mircea_popescu;For security reason, we cannot have an internal link available to the Public. Please bookmark this link https://ctmail.ct.gov so you can access the site directly.
1292659;1444134908;assbot;Outlook Web App ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUxyaM )
1292660;1444134911;mircea_popescu;www.ct.gov/best/cwp/view.asp?a=2297&q=520956‎
1292661;1444135067;mircea_popescu;ct.gov, seriously ? obscure "antivirus" corp with no product ?
1292662;1444135254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00043225 = 25.8918 BTC [+]
1292663;1444135281;punkman;http://forums.hostgator.com/livechat-support-disgrace-pls-assist-t137495.html?s=6cb4f57e7b796879cba64a4d497108d8&amp;
1292664;1444135284;punkman;http://mxlist.net/p.nsm.ctmail.com/
1292665;1444135285;assbot;mxlist of p.nsm.ctmail.com page 1/16219 ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUydZK )
1292666;1444135319;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291025 <<< because second edition
1292667;1444135319;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 19:25:58; AgentScully: I'm kind of sad no one liked my applied crypto pic
1292668;1444135390;mircea_popescu;punkman 16k pages worht of hijacked domains ?!
1292669;1444135471;punkman;right, and nobody has written a blog post about this so far, has been happening for years
1292670;1444135492;mircea_popescu;...
1292671;1444135514;mircea_popescu;there's something too weird for life here.
1292672;1444135534;mircea_popescu;o da fuck. Expires On October 01, 2015
1292673;1444135587;punkman;polimedia?
1292674;1444135593;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1292675;1444135607;mircea_popescu;"After reviewing your chat transcripts, it appears in the first chat that the Junior Administrator stated specifically what the issue was, which is that the domain is expired as of 8/7/2011. There was also clarification provided that you'd need to contact the registrar directly for the renewal and to update the DNS back to our name-servers."
1292676;1444135609;mircea_popescu;in your link.
1292677;1444135652;mircea_popescu;no fucking wonder's been going on for yearsnobody wrote about it. they'd have to write "umm....lolz"
1292678;1444135763;punkman;so namecheap changed mx record after it expired?
1292679;1444135789;mircea_popescu;myeah
1292680;1444135843;punkman;am disappoint, dns poisoning would've been cool
1292681;1444136065;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1292682;1444136090;asciilifeform;ok wat is this.
1292683;1444136096;punkman;they should have thrown some kind of error though, instead of silently accepting all teh emails
1292684;1444136109;asciilifeform;oh noez zey stole me ciphertext!
1292685;1444136158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's kinda what was wtfing me, what, i don't paste enough of inbound spam in here or wtf is their problem.
1292686;1444136170;mircea_popescu;punkman im sure they bounced.
1292687;1444136175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/01B20TA.txt << here it is again. and don't forget to check sig inside.
1292688;1444136176;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUzJv8 )
1292689;1444136183;mircea_popescu;danke.
1292690;1444136254;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a psa/reminder that in point of fact there is ZERO security wrt email. i, or you, or anyone bored one evening can hijack a mx record, read all teh inbound mail etc.
1292691;1444136266;mircea_popescu;if you imagine email has any sort of security you're nuts.
1292692;1444136270;*;asciilifeform used to work for an outfit that made millions simply in ensuring that this kind of snafu did not happen, for megacorp clients
1292693;1444136338;asciilifeform;this is also a psa/reminder that enemy may not read pgp message, but can substitute his own for yours! sign the material inside.
1292694;1444136340;mircea_popescu;in other unrelated news, namecheap wants 200 bucks to renew your expired domain
1292695;1444136354;mircea_popescu;they do however have a 27 day grace period on top of the 5 day grace period etc.
1292696;1444136357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is sop
1292697;1444136361;punkman;mircea_popescu: no wai, I just did one the other day for $15
1292698;1444136370;asciilifeform;most of these extortionists have a 'purgatory'
1292699;1444136383;mircea_popescu;yes cuz within the 27 days. they only charged me 8.5 or so
1292700;1444136595;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292594 << these are mostly classics
1292701;1444136595;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 09:09:51; gabriel_laddel: http://www.tanyakhovanova.com/Jokes/jokes.html
1292702;1444136600;asciilifeform;'The population density of USA is 100 square people per mile.' << win.
1292703;1444136634;*;asciilifeform has a fat manually-typewritten stack of these 'militarizms' somewhere
1292704;1444136779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00043446 = 27.5013 BTC [+] {3} 
1292705;1444136900;mircea_popescu;mk we should be back in business. asciilifeform mind remailing me just to see this goes through ?
1292706;1444137024;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: resent
1292707;1444137059;mircea_popescu;anyway, the reason this went by unobserved for ~20 hours is that a) internal mail still worked, obviousyl, and b) enom decently adds its record with priority 10. there's a bugfeature apparently where some relayers/dns servers prefer higher priority records even if older.
1292708;1444137074;mircea_popescu;either that or they didn't actually change it until the 3rd.
1292709;1444137097;asciilifeform;it still blows my mind that we're relying on a thing that sits on top of dns.
1292710;1444137249;mircea_popescu;~relying
1292711;1444137295;mircea_popescu;well so i got your email but apparently there;s still someting wrong because it's all garbled and what is this "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----" stuff.
1292712;1444137310;asciilifeform;wut?!
1292713;1444137319;asciilifeform;diff w/paste ?
1292714;1444137332;asciilifeform;or both similarly garbled ?
1292715;1444137351;mircea_popescu;i'm just being silly!
1292716;1444137572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00043613 = 14.4795 BTC [+] {2} 
1292717;1444137881;*;asciilifeform is l0ling over 'norsena corp.' in mircea_popescu's dns
1292718;1444138182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39902 @ 0.00044443 = 17.7336 BTC [+] {3} 
1292719;1444138364;mircea_popescu;what, it's a corp.
1292720;1444138410;asciilifeform;as seen in 'asylum'
1292721;1444138460;mircea_popescu;darn.
1292722;1444138467;mircea_popescu;iirc the idea was that nobody'll ever notice.
1292723;1444138521;asciilifeform;l0lz
1292724;1444138536;*;asciilifeform noticed ages ago but promptly forgot
1292725;1444138621;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292608 << this was, iirc, tried (abolition of comments on american fishwrap sites) a few yrs ago, but abandoned because it is too pyongyang
1292726;1444138621;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 09:15:29; gabriel_laddel: "No Comments Allowed on Reddit’s New News Site ‘Upvoted’"
1292727;1444138632;asciilifeform;i.e. abandons the appearance of k0nsensoos
1292728;1444138644;mircea_popescu;they'll keep trying. what else is there to do ? compete with pete in pr ?
1292729;1444138688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, did i ever tell you i did all the typesetting of that thing myself ?
1292730;1444138698;mircea_popescu;sent files straight to the printer.
1292731;1444138710;asciilifeform;almost like there is some threshold that is crossed (i.e. ~all~ of the comments on an article re: recent oregon 'postal' being such that concern organized mass disarmament) and then they 'ban commentz now!?!!!'
1292732;1444138731;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my understanding is that all self-published items are typeset personally ?
1292733;1444138735;asciilifeform;i mean, how else
1292734;1444138747;asciilifeform;but yes, a thinking man goes and latex
1292735;1444138751;asciilifeform;this is sop.
1292736;1444138796;mircea_popescu;a) the printer can't use latex ; b) self published generally means, PoD and a sharky editor that fleeces the hopeful. this was actually printed on web press, so in this sense everything else printed hence is a lot more "self published" than asylum.
1292737;1444138815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: printer tells you what he eats, then you make latex shit it.
1292738;1444138828;mircea_popescu;it may not be the last web pressed fiction offering in the us, but it won't be far ahead of the last i dun think
1292739;1444138829;asciilifeform;typically the machines are able to eat postscript.
1292740;1444138835;mircea_popescu;aha yep, ps.
1292741;1444138843;asciilifeform;no one eats straight latex, afaik
1292742;1444138858;mircea_popescu;but you know,  machine shop ps. postscript-with-quirks.
1292743;1444138872;asciilifeform;well aha, they send you params
1292744;1444138877;mircea_popescu;actually in the early 2000s there was some effort on the part of mfgs to support latex
1292745;1444138899;mircea_popescu;it died with the death of the entire publishing industry (actual publishing, ie, putting ink to paper. not predend publishing, aka editing newspapers etc)
1292746;1444138937;*;asciilifeform has cases full of various items printed by fully-automated print houses with 'put ps here and money here' wwwtronic vending machine
1292747;1444138958;asciilifeform;this has been a thing for some years.
1292748;1444138962;mircea_popescu;all that's pod and if you inspect the covers you'll see the difference between layflat process and pod covers.
1292749;1444138972;asciilifeform;it is not hard to tell apart
1292750;1444138982;asciilifeform;laserprint toner shines
1292751;1444138987;mircea_popescu;back then it wasn't even fucking expensive, iirc it cost ~25 cents per
1292752;1444138989;asciilifeform;(and, after some years, comes off the page)
1292753;1444139010;mike_c;;;later tell pete_dushenski I don't see a discrepancy.  It updates nightly with the wot database dumps.  So probably he changed the rating and btcalpha hadn't picked up the change yet.
1292754;1444139010;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1292755;1444139012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the economics of webprint are not unlike those of circuit board
1292756;1444139021;asciilifeform;yes, make 3000 and it is 25c each.
1292757;1444139022;mircea_popescu;quite identical.
1292758;1444139035;mircea_popescu;mike_c he didn't know you can rate in pm, most likely.
1292759;1444139060;mircea_popescu;i don't recall what the run was. maybe 8k ?
1292760;1444139068;asciilifeform;the sad part is that there is no real reason why pod couldn't offer a decent cover
1292761;1444139072;asciilifeform;for extra $$
1292762;1444139150;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292666 << i have this edition. it pre-dates his public betrayal and is, afaik, uncensored (vs 1st)
1292763;1444139150;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 12:41:59; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1291025 <<< because second edition
1292764;1444139164;asciilifeform;schneier's book
1292765;1444139178;asciilifeform;afaik everyone who programs, has this.
1292766;1444139254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the "back then" comment is that i'd be much surprised you can find sanely priced layflat process anymore. because yes, mass production needs the mass.
1292767;1444139276;asciilifeform;'Dear students! Remember that money can solve anything! Even complicated differential equations.'
1292768;1444139340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i recently popped a crate with 4th ed. stroustrup. it was, to my surprise, proper lay-flat. but the pleasant surprise turned to ick when i saw that it, for no particular reason, had blue as well as black print, and a good fraction of the blue is smudged !
1292769;1444139346;asciilifeform;in some places, even double-struck
1292770;1444139355;asciilifeform;to the point of unreadability
1292771;1444139360;asciilifeform;who does this?!
1292772;1444139369;mircea_popescu;what ?!
1292773;1444139372;asciilifeform;aha.
1292774;1444139380;*;mircea_popescu recalls "specialty ink" was more expensive than "double the run"
1292775;1444139391;mircea_popescu;yes i briefly considered printing it in green
1292776;1444139395;asciilifeform;at least it clearly wasn't laser-print!
1292777;1444139405;asciilifeform;(laser print does not behave this way)
1292778;1444139406;mircea_popescu;but perhaps it was handprinted.
1292779;1444139414;asciilifeform;devil knows
1292780;1444139441;asciilifeform;fiddybux doesn't buy handprint, afaik
1292781;1444139475;asciilifeform;the strongest hypothesis is that it was 'we don't giveafuck, you'll buy it'-manufactured.
1292782;1444139484;mircea_popescu;fiddybux buys ~half of reddit.
1292783;1444139491;mircea_popescu;clucked, if you prefer, rather than handprint
1292784;1444139500;asciilifeform;l0l
1292785;1444139817;asciilifeform;'�Some bike thief managed to open my combination lock. How could they possibly guess that the combo was the year of the canonization of Saint Dominic by Pope Gregory IX at Rieti, Italy? �What year was that? �1234.'
1292786;1444139890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4580 @ 0.00044575 = 2.0415 BTC [+] {3} 
1292787;1444140050;asciilifeform;http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/software/navy-diversifies-ships-cyber-systems-to-foil-hackers << l0l! betcha they have win98 on one, 95 on others, NT on yet others...
1292788;1444140051;assbot;Navy Diversifies Ships' Cyber Systems to Foil Hackers - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4qk0N )
1292789;1444140059;asciilifeform;d1v3rs1ty!!!11
1292790;1444140204;asciilifeform;'Swartz had grown moody and stopped showing up to work. At one point, after he wrote a blog post envisioning his own death, Ohanian called the police to break into his apartment. Swartz laughed it off. Meanwhile, publicly, he called himself one of Reddit�s cofounders, taking credit for an idea Huffman and Ohanian believed to be theirs alone. In January of 2007, he was fired. Six years later, he hanged himself  while facing a
1292791;1444140204;asciilifeform; federal criminal trial on hacking and fraud charges.'
1292792;1444140210;asciilifeform;l0l, unpersoned already.
1292793;1444140256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.0004544 = 25.1738 BTC [+]
1292794;1444140472;mircea_popescu;assbot> [upon reading about it on trilema,] Navy Diversifies Ships' Cyber Systems to Foil Hackers - IEEE Spectrum << FTFT.
1292795;1444140683;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Apple will trade above $150 on or before New Year's Day 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1159/apple-will-trade-above-150-on-or-before/#b16
1292796;1444141781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00051749 = 11.3589 BTC [+]
1292797;1444141903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00053536 = 14.6421 BTC [+] {2} 
1292798;1444142025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00052496 = 1.0499 BTC [-]
1292799;1444142513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00052496 = 1.6536 BTC [-]
1292800;1444143428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00051842 = 1.9959 BTC [-]
1292801;1444144294;funkenstein_;http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cps/5184080755.html
1292802;1444144295;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ojt1ll )
1292803;1444144452;funkenstein_;whoops gone already sorry
1292804;1444144482;fluffypony;what was it, funkenstein_?
1292805;1444144504;funkenstein_;https://web.archive.org/web/20151004213142/https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cps/5184080755.html
1292806;1444144506;assbot;$50 / to plug in a box! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjtlAn )
1292807;1444144537;funkenstein_;fluffypony, i was gonna ask you
1292808;1444145074;funkenstein_;somebody wants moar noadz i guess
1292809;1444145787;diametric;ugh i hate when the channel notifies me my nick was mentioned but then it gets lost in scrollback.
1292810;1444146065;punkman;http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-October/026685.html
1292811;1444146066;assbot;[Cryptography] OpenPGP SEIP downgrade attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjvR9W )
1292812;1444146482;jurov;diametric, set your scrollback to 1000 lines :)
1292813;1444146661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22429 @ 0.00050338 = 11.2903 BTC [-] {3} 
1292814;1444146844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75850 @ 0.00049797 = 37.771 BTC [-] {2} 
1292815;1444147027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00050422 = 29.0431 BTC [+] {5} 
1292816;1444147835;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1292817;1444147875;ascii_field;'The implications are, among others, that an encrypted and signed message can be stripped of its signature and modified arbitrarily, with certain restrictions, by an attacker without knowing the key.' << ahahahaha
1292818;1444147898;ascii_field;which is why i say IF NOT SIGNED, MESSAGE IS FROM HITLER
1292819;1444147938;ascii_field;'GPG throws a warning [3] that the message could have been modified, but other implementations do not differentiate between SE and SEIP.' << what 'other implementations' ? microshit crypto ?
1292820;1444148065;trinque; diametric also for weechat there's himon.pl
1292821;1444148071;trinque;gives you a buffer of highlights
1292822;1444148098;diametric;supposedly my bouncer is suppose to capture my damn highlights but it never seems to work right.
1292823;1444148230;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: see also old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-09-2015#1285200
1292824;1444148230;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 01:45:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 !
1292825;1444148337;ascii_field;and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284794
1292826;1444148337;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 14:12:48; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die
1292827;1444149256;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290898 <<< roquefort > brie for omelettes
1292828;1444149256;assbot;Logged on 03-10-2015 16:11:55; mircea_popescu: psa : brie is THE omlette cheese.
1292829;1444149630;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ever seen "Forbidden Zone"?
1292830;1444149707;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1292831;1444149768;mircea_popescu;i have not.
1292832;1444149784;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: if i'm responding to a message that was encrypted to my key, and demonstrate knowledge of the cleartext, does that not support unhitlerdom?
1292833;1444149837;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: nope
1292834;1444149839;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: think:
1292835;1444149845;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zimsUDzOiSM << fun sample
1292836;1444149846;assbot;Forbidden Zone DANNY ELFMAN DEVIL--COLOR - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXpiV )
1292837;1444149868;mircea_popescu;davout they don;'t have much roquefort here, unfortunately.
1292838;1444149878;ascii_field;1) i encrypt a message to ben_vulpes's pubkey 2) i send to him 3) hitler picks it up from the wire and throws it away 4) hitler encrypts substitute message to ben_vulpes's pubkey 5) he sends
1292839;1444149896;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes now has spurious message.
1292840;1444149902;mircea_popescu;this is valuable.
1292841;1444149942;ascii_field;valuable if he knows that it is spurious.
1292842;1444149945;ascii_field;otherwise lethal.
1292843;1444149967;mircea_popescu;we'd think ben_vulpes knows better.
1292844;1444150093;ben_vulpes;i'd dearly lurve to see hitler diddle freenode like that
1292845;1444150114;mircea_popescu;or in general. cheap spying, really.
1292846;1444150123;mircea_popescu;"here's what hitler WANTED you to think he said".
1292847;1444150162;mircea_popescu;and with that, i shall be off to buy wine. to sweeten the wait, i leave you with http://40.media.tumblr.com/5bd6f2d522cf52c46ae7a696e0b69054/tumblr_nj0ketRqJs1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
1292848;1444150164;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXS4G )
1292849;1444150164;ascii_field;any halfway decent hitler plants ~deniable~ diddles.
1292850;1444150181;ascii_field;l0l chewing gum section !
1292851;1444150599;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQi3TxGWwAQvyv3.jpg:large
1292852;1444150600;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUYzuE )
1292853;1444150931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00050016 = 1.9756 BTC [-]
1292854;1444151414;ascii_field;in other nyooz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-worlds-silliest-empire.html
1292855;1444151416;assbot;ClubOrlov: The World's Silliest Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUZKdF )
1292856;1444151461;ascii_field;'The first bit of extreme silliness surfaced when Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, the head of the United States Central Command, told a Senate panel that only a very small number of Syrian fighters trained by the United States remained in the fight—perhaps as few as five. The tab for training and equipping them was $500 million. That's $100 million per fighter, but that's OK, because it's all good as long as the militar
1292857;1444151461;ascii_field;y contractors are getting paid. Things got even sillier when it later turned out that even these few fighters got car-jacked by ISIS/al Qaeda in Syria (whatever they are currently calling themselves) and got their vehicles and weapons taken away from them.'
1292858;1444151588;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1292859;1444151602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29604 @ 0.00050037 = 14.813 BTC [+] {3} 
1292860;1444151602;ascii_field;'Undeterred by diplomacy, the US squeezed off a couple of cruise missiles in the general direction of Syria, but the Russians promptly shot them out of the sky, triggering a major rethink at the Pentagon and, of course, making the US look rather silly.' << i missed this?
1292861;1444151863;ascii_field;'Of course, being Americans, they have to prosecute this information war in the silliest way possible. First, you trot out your claims of civilian casualties before the Russians fly a single sortie. Oops! Then you stuff the social media with fake pictures of wounded children produced beforehand by performers in white helmets paid for by George Soros. And then, when asked for evidence, you refuse to provide any.' << l0lz
1292862;1444152151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00050016 = 1.5255 BTC [-]
1292863;1444152632;*;jurov 's  admining the bash ... and would like to have "please resubmit this to wiki" button
1292864;1444152730;jurov;for stuff like this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277335
1292865;1444152730;assbot;Logged on 17-09-2015 02:29:13; asciilifeform: !b 13
1292866;1444152811;jurov;or the badminton gayness thread
1292867;1444153072;jurov;whatever, flushed. BingoBoingo if you are ever about to !bN  where N > 5, just add it to wiki.
1292868;1444153251;ascii_field;neato
1292869;1444153438;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1292870;1444153453;ascii_field;how's the wine mircea_popescu
1292871;1444153489;mircea_popescu;dude this country... so there's a nice wine shop, trying you know, to be upscale.
1292872;1444153511;mircea_popescu;i go in, i want to buy stuff, i select a decent half dozen. i get TWENTYFIVE OFF for paying cash.
1292873;1444153529;mircea_popescu;25%, fancy that. clearly visa is such a challenger for bitcoin.
1292874;1444153545;ascii_field;sounds more like an orc selling under the register
1292875;1444153555;mircea_popescu;then, the guy can't work his fucking machine, takes him longer to input my economic activity into his fucking compuer than it took me to engage in it.
1292876;1444153556;ascii_field;(puts money in pocket, writes down 'broke some bottles, sorry')
1292877;1444153564;mircea_popescu;dude was clearly shop owner.
1292878;1444153571;mircea_popescu;moving on : he can't fucking pack for the life of him.
1292879;1444153575;ascii_field;perhaps has a partner
1292880;1444153581;ascii_field;who needs to not-be-paid a bit
1292881;1444153584;mircea_popescu;i bought two champagne flutes of actual genuine bohemian glass (i tested, couldn't believe either)
1292882;1444153596;mircea_popescu;90 peso each. ~5 dollars.
1292883;1444153620;mircea_popescu;then he packed them. he packed ONE in about a cubic foot of corrugated cardboard, sat the other bare next to it. just like that, in the bag.
1292884;1444153623;ascii_field;is leaded glass such a rarity today?
1292885;1444153652;mircea_popescu;since they decided to pretend like " swarovski crystals" yes.
1292886;1444153680;mircea_popescu;anyway. it is fucking impossible to make sense of these people. it's like selective down syndrome, only half the brain is affected.
1292887;1444153701;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not like he didn't give me a receipt.
1292888;1444153706;ascii_field;in usa it's the other half..
1292889;1444153714;ascii_field;(but often, both.)
1292890;1444153715;mircea_popescu;srsly. in usa it's the other half.
1292891;1444153727;mircea_popescu;the fucked up sorts of choices one has to face.
1292892;1444153810;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you think, if you decide in your late 40s to switch gears and open a wanna-be wine shop, that you pick up the fucking book of how to pack, do exercises in your garage, something ?
1292893;1444153834;ascii_field;i've been - imho, very decently - packing 'ebay' gizmos for yearz
1292894;1444153836;mircea_popescu;just so customers don't look at you while you amble around with your two left legs transplanted for arms ?
1292895;1444153855;ascii_field;mircea_popescu actually got to see an example of my l337 p4ck1ng
1292896;1444153864;ascii_field;at least, what ro customs left of it !
1292897;1444153868;mircea_popescu;lol right.
1292898;1444154043;mircea_popescu;http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2015/10/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-by-migrants-pressured-into-silence-to-not-damage-cause-3061790.html << wonder how true this is.
1292899;1444154044;assbot;‘No Borders’ Activist Gang Raped By Migrants, Pressured Into Silence To Not ‘Damage Cause’ | Opinion - Conservative ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4VPIi )
1292900;1444154066;mircea_popescu;not that it's not readily believable, not that there aren't excellent reasons why it's not in the usg agitprop.
1292901;1444154134;mircea_popescu;im sure all the libertard activists are gonna be all over libtardsplainin' this one.
1292902;1444154139;ascii_field;they had at least one almost identical case during the tahrir square idiocy
1292903;1444154163;mircea_popescu;they will continue to have exactly identicalones for as long as uppitty overfed western women get to interact with the real world.
1292904;1444154217;ascii_field;most of them know better than to venture into the 'real world', aha
1292905;1444154530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.0004952 = 23.5963 BTC [-] {3} 
1292906;1444154896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29440 @ 0.00049444 = 14.5563 BTC [-]
1292907;1444155188;ascii_field;http://talosintel.com/angler-exposed << lulzy, spamatronic
1292908;1444155189;assbot;Talos Intel - Threat Spotlight: Angler Exposed Generating Millions in Revenue ... ( http://bit.ly/1MboJKW )
1292909;1444155872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00049301 = 15.2094 BTC [-] {2} 
1292910;1444156048;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1292911;1444156051;gribble;Current Blocks: 377759 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 1248 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1292912;1444156094;BingoBoingo;<jurov> whatever, flushed. BingoBoingo if you are ever about to !bN  where N > 5, just add it to wiki. << k
1292913;1444156403;punkman;so many lolz in bash, someone's gotta do a stand up show
1292914;1444156762;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury-bonds-pull-back-1444052528
1292915;1444156764;assbot;Yield of 0% a First at 3-Month Treasury-Bill Sale - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1hoRpDk )
1292916;1444156788;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1292917;1444156815;mircea_popescu;i keep wondering reading that if it's just you know, me lolzing because insider jokes and it's really more like lolsnort,
1292918;1444156819;mircea_popescu;or whether genuinely hysterical.
1292919;1444156836;punkman;there's both
1292920;1444156848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20209 @ 0.00049301 = 9.9632 BTC [-] {2} 
1292921;1444156849;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1292922;1444156866;mircea_popescu;anyway, lassia 2013 malbec/csauvignon coupage is quite adequate sandwich wine.
1292923;1444156971;mircea_popescu;why the fuck they use plastic corks is beyond me, but anyway.
1292924;1444156979;hanbot;cvasignon! what do you sandwich it with?
1292925;1444156988;punkman;maybe they can't import enough cork
1292926;1444157031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00049678 = 24.1932 BTC [+]
1292927;1444157054;mircea_popescu;lol
1292928;1444157064;mircea_popescu;punkman i'd expect cork tree grows here.
1292929;1444157092;mircea_popescu;it grows in fucking greece ffs.
1292930;1444157108;hanbot;portugal.
1292931;1444157139;mircea_popescu;it grows all over, it's oak.
1292932;1444157139;punkman;I don't think there's enough to go around these days
1292933;1444157172;mircea_popescu;hanbot you sandwich fiambres!
1292934;1444157174;deedbot-;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2015-statement/
1292935;1444157208;mircea_popescu;re that article, i would direct the esteemed readership to footnote three in very particular.
1292936;1444157303;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1292937;1444157309;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292563 << no it doesn't, simmer down. << sure I'm not actually going to do this
1292938;1444157309;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 05:28:10; trinque: perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
1292939;1444157329;trinque;curious though how to make the WoT generally available data
1292940;1444157333;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the thing is practically begging to be c++11-ized
1292941;1444157340;trinque;perhaps it must be centralized in some manner, though perhaps backed up elsewhere
1292942;1444157342;ascii_field;with refcountatronic pointers, etc
1292943;1444157352;mircea_popescu;trinque the major point s that wot is not actually generally available. just like trust is not a scalar,
1292944;1444157356;mircea_popescu;wot data is meanginelss out of context.
1292945;1444157362;trinque;that makes sense
1292946;1444157387;mircea_popescu;i might care what i rated x, or what you rated x. but the meaning of these ratings to a third party we don't know is necessarily 0.
1292947;1444157404;mircea_popescu;obviously the ustardian approach to things ("let's steal someshit!") will try and pretend like it's not so, to "build a business" out of it.
1292948;1444157426;mircea_popescu;but notwithstandingtheir hopes and aspirations to "build businesses", you can't make money renting out the space inside your nose.
1292949;1444157443;mircea_popescu;as carlin aptly observed.
1292950;1444157552;ascii_field;where was that thread
1292951;1444157557;ascii_field;with gossipd/wot
1292952;1444158015;mircea_popescu;in the logs!!1 :D
1292953;1444158181;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#968123 << found it.
1292954;1444158181;assbot;Logged on 07-01-2015 05:29:32; mircea_popescu: this harms because : it gives unknowns a weight they should not have ; it removes the incentive for users to police at their local level ; it allows third parties to construct undeniable chatlogs that they had no business in.
1292955;1444158491;mircea_popescu;aye!
1292956;1444158565;BingoBoingo;Kernel PhorCT by ShitGnomes: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/06/1553233/matthew-garrett-forks-the-linux-kernel
1292957;1444158567;assbot;Matthew Garrett Forks the Linux Kernel - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md8vg6 )
1292958;1444158591;ascii_field;10,001 people have forked the kernel...
1292959;1444158602;ascii_field;for fucks sake ~i~ forked the kernel
1292960;1444158602;ascii_field;snore.
1292961;1444158687;BingoBoingo;But this time with more Social Justice Whales
1292962;1444158761;mike_c;trinque - you know the wot database is dumped nightly, right?
1292963;1444158787;trinque;yeah, we've just got this fancy decentralized database and so everything looks like a nail
1292964;1444158843;mike_c;there's enough broken things around to fix.  the wot seems to be working :)
1292965;1444158852;trinque;sure sure, was idle speculation
1292966;1444158861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38895 @ 0.00049678 = 19.3223 BTC [+]
1292967;1444158875;mike_c;now if we could decentralize PCB routing..
1292968;1444158911;mike_c;maybe ethereum can do it
1292969;1444158920;BingoBoingo;Random language turds by the would be usurper: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35416.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/36376.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/33455.html
1292970;1444158922;assbot;mjg59 | Internet abuse culture is a tech industry problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md97Cs )
1292971;1444158923;assbot;mjg59 | Reverse this ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md97SN )
1292972;1444158925;assbot;mjg59 | On joining the FSF board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Md97lY )
1292973;1444158925;BingoBoingo;"Being a cis white man who's a native English speaker from a fairly well-off background, I'm pretty familiar with privilege. "
1292974;1444159160;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1292975;1444159968;mircea_popescu;which garrett is this ?!
1292976;1444160035;mircea_popescu;oh. for a momenbt i thought it was the lord british garrett.
1292977;1444160039;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares seriously.
1292978;1444160089;mircea_popescu;"Cutting yourself off from that community impairs your ability to do work"
1292979;1444160105;mircea_popescu;dude get fucked, cutting b=a from the imbecillity has improved its ability to do work like 10x if not more.
1292980;1444160125;mircea_popescu;one sufficient reason ethereum will never ever amount to anything is exactly its failure to cut itself off from idiots.
1292981;1444160127;mircea_popescu;and so forth.
1292982;1444160135;BingoBoingo;Just you wait, next this heretic kernel gets KDBUS then Debian will switch to it. Maybe Fedora first because of Poettering.
1292983;1444160139;Naphex;https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html
1292984;1444160141;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdaYXQ )
1292985;1444160143;mircea_popescu;heck, bitcoin got a lot better once it cut itself off from the usgavin & freiends
1292986;1444160165;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo debian can switch to dead squirrel for all the difference it makes to me.
1292987;1444160194;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
1292988;1444160194;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdaYXQ )
1292989;1444160287;Naphex;aye i'll have a special section for all this soon. at the moment first report delivered like this
1292990;1444160332;ascii_field;countdown to 'intel et al supports garret kernel only' in 3, 2, 1...
1292991;1444160457;mircea_popescu;yaya
1292992;1444160487;mircea_popescu;they can support "free syrian militia" or w/e also for all the difference it makes irl.
1292993;1444160496;ascii_field;in irl they make hardware.
1292994;1444160514;ascii_field;soon to be the only workstation hardware.
1292995;1444160602;ascii_field;'For far too long, Linux has discriminated against "differently abled" code, with all its segregationist notions of kernel-vs-userspace. And even within userspace, could the very word "permissions" get any closer to "privilege"??? At long last, viruses we have historically relegated to the slums of Windows will finally have the right to run in the ivory sandbox of Linux - We need "Runtime Justice" for all code, whether
1292996;1444160602;ascii_field;CLI or GUI, whether drivers or devices, whether signed or malware! There is no such thing as an "illegal" instruction!' << win
1292997;1444160605;ascii_field;best tr0l0l0l
1292998;1444160694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18982 @ 0.00049232 = 9.3452 BTC [-] {2} 
1292999;1444160709;ascii_field;'"He is a recipient of the Free Software Award from the Free Software Foundation for his work on Secure Boot, UEFI, and the Linux kernel". Ah! All the bits that I *don't* want in the kernel. Did he work on systemd too?'
1293000;1444160718;ascii_field;this was a thing ?!!!
1293001;1444160833;mircea_popescu;see, thisis the problem of weak men.
1293002;1444160854;mircea_popescu;rms poses as strong, is weak, on this word taken at its word fsf is born, then i have to contend with "fucking awards"
1293003;1444160867;mircea_popescu;i propose to you that there is exactly one reason satoshi kept quiet and buggered off.
1293004;1444160876;mircea_popescu;that reason is - that he did not want to face my wrath.
1293005;1444160939;ascii_field;eh, steve morse is still alive
1293006;1444160944;ascii_field;(author of 8086)
1293007;1444160947;ascii_field;faced wrath of mircea_popescu  ?
1293008;1444161027;mircea_popescu;how did that quote go
1293009;1444161065;mircea_popescu;"Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me."
1293010;1444161122;mircea_popescu;anyway. the advantage of anon & disappeared as opposed to "going to every conference that serves pasta" is that you don't have to face the "i fucking expected better of you" reproach.
1293011;1444161192;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1293012;1444161345;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/a024c31891a9a2b521cc0371f84a9fa7/tumblr_niwz0aLZHB1skwz29o1_1280.jpg << not bad idea huh.
1293013;1444161346;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ph0tbk )
1293014;1444161404;jurov;imma send any gay with doubts to this chan
1293015;1444161418;mircea_popescu;whyssat ?
1293016;1444161473;mircea_popescu;!up livegnik
1293017;1444161482;jurov;if they aren't aroused by these chicks, then there is no doubt left :D
1293018;1444161484;mircea_popescu;notrly, just upping people.
1293019;1444161499;mircea_popescu;jurov is gayness actually "not aroused by women" ?
1293020;1444161507;mircea_popescu;i thought it was more along the "prefers to fuck guys"
1293021;1444161509;jurov;what else
1293022;1444161531;mircea_popescu;if a dude's aroused by stockings he's not a stockingay now, is he ?
1293023;1444161577;jurov;"women in stockings arouse me. am i gay or not?"
1293024;1444161590;*;mircea_popescu has known plenty of gay dudes fetishistically aroused by slavegirls, in the slave aspect rather than in the girl aspect
1293025;1444161592;mircea_popescu;"wannabe her"
1293026;1444161663;jurov;oh that. i was joking about dudes that cannot distinguish that yet.
1293027;1444161683;mircea_popescu;aok :p
1293028;1444161722;jurov;;;seen williamdunne
1293029;1444161722;gribble;williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <williamdunne> But yah
1293030;1444161820;livegnik;Thnx mircea_popescu.
1293031;1444161893;mircea_popescu;:p
1293032;1444161975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50650 @ 0.00048715 = 24.6741 BTC [-] {4} 
1293033;1444162242;jurov;;;ticker
1293034;1444162243;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.46, Best ask: 247.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 247.47, 24 hour volume: 17622.82420398, 24 hour low: 240.71, 24 hour high: 249.01, 24 hour vwap: None
1293035;1444162350;mike_c;I'm tired of 200->300->200->300->...
1293036;1444162384;mike_c;get a new trick ticker.
1293037;1444162509;mircea_popescu;lol
1293038;1444162521;mircea_popescu;dude it's stable like visa!
1293039;1444162524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41821 @ 0.00049678 = 20.7758 BTC [+]
1293040;1444162525;mircea_popescu;eur/usd!
1293041;1444162663;Naphex;after some feedback i have cleaned the xotika.tv report some. A revised version is available here: https://xotika.tv/static/report_06102015_v2.html
1293042;1444162664;assbot;XOtika.TV Statement - 08/06/2015 to 06/10/2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv2DwI )
1293043;1444162728;mike_c;!rated naphex
1293044;1444162728;assbot;You have not rated naphex.
1293045;1444162748;mike_c;!rate naphex 2 serial btc entrepreneur
1293046;1444162748;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/296b3becab046f29
1293047;1444162755;mircea_popescu;super cereal!
1293048;1444162878;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is it domain/avatar.png or /avatar.jpg on your blog for avatars?
1293049;1444162954;mircea_popescu;you can just source a page you knwo
1293050;1444162987;mike_c;positive cash flow.. looks like a bizness to me
1293051;1444163126;mircea_popescu;so it does.
1293052;1444163134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00048403 = 13.5044 BTC [-] {2} 
1293053;1444163141;mircea_popescu;seems he hit the ground running, at least sofar.
1293054;1444163154;mircea_popescu;anyway, youtube substitute is certainly needed in teh republic.
1293055;1444163173;mircea_popescu;say Naphex, wouldn't you want to run a server for s.nsa too ?
1293056;1444163188;Naphex;i also have otika.tv domains ready for non adult related content
1293057;1444163190;mircea_popescu;i'll pay the upfront for colo, you just have to do the minimal sysadmining ascii_field might require
1293058;1444163196;Naphex;but it sure as hell needs a lot more capacity
1293059;1444163205;Naphex;and servers and the way to monetizing everything is long
1293060;1444163232;mircea_popescu;one expansion idea would be somnething like a mumble server. but integrated with xotika.
1293061;1444163244;mircea_popescu;somehow. dunno how. but gamers and strippers is the winner combo.
1293062;1444163247;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1293063;1444163250;*;ascii_field needs very little other than the box
1293064;1444163314;mircea_popescu;mike_c anyway, willprobably have to yield some of the % which is maybe high atm. but still, i think it has nice perspectives.
1293065;1444163362;Naphex;mircea_popescu: percentage is right about perfect at the moment; performers adjust the price and tipping is completly voluntary
1293066;1444163403;Naphex;i will be yielding up to 35% based on quarterly performance
1293067;1444163420;mircea_popescu;makes sense
1293068;1444163423;Naphex;or better yet; down too
1293069;1444163477;Naphex;performers have a goal system soon to be objective system they can set up
1293070;1444163533;mircea_popescu;cool.
1293071;1444163538;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> say Naphex, wouldn't you want to run a server for s.nsa too ? << ?
1293072;1444163573;Naphex;can do
1293073;1444163634;mircea_popescu;what's your provider quote for a 32gb amd something with ~1tb hdd ?
1293074;1444163640;Naphex;tell me what you need and i can call my rep and sort it out
1293075;1444163651;Naphex;i'll get a quote on that tomorrow
1293076;1444163654;mircea_popescu;danke.
1293077;1444163660;Naphex;i usually buy my own hardware and use that pay per 1U
1293078;1444163668;Naphex;most of their offers are supermicro's but have all sorts
1293079;1444163672;*;mircea_popescu can picture alf jumping up and down
1293080;1444163672;Naphex;i use 2U dells
1293081;1444163684;mircea_popescu;yeah i can see buying the hw and getting 1u or 2u as needed.
1293082;1444163693;Naphex;you can buy the hardware and ship it to the DC
1293083;1444163693;mircea_popescu;really it should fit in 1u i think ?
1293084;1444163728;ascii_field;i've yet to see this kind of thing in 1u
1293085;1444163731;ascii_field;but who knows
1293086;1444163738;mike_c;really?  you can fit a lot in 1u these days
1293087;1444163802;mircea_popescu;i thought they mostly fit it in 1u by now.
1293088;1444163807;*;mircea_popescu not an expert.
1293089;1444163807;mike_c;http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816110055
1293090;1444163810;assbot;ASUS RS500A-E6/PS4 1U Rackmount Server Barebone Dual Socket G34 AMD SR5650 DDR3 1600/1333/1066/800 - Newegg.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv3Vb7 )
1293091;1444163828;ascii_field;neato
1293092;1444163976;mircea_popescu;and under the overheard in my house heading, "would you like to taste my pee ?" "sure. but... didn't you just have asparagus ?" "aha" "that's supposed to be the #1 pee ruiner." "oh man, i can actually taste the asparagus wow!" "is it strong ?" "it's pretty strong yeah".
1293093;1444163982;mircea_popescu;i guess tomorrow im having pineapple.
1293094;1444164001;ascii_field;l0l!
1293095;1444164007;ascii_field;next, amanita magic mushroom ?
1293096;1444164014;ascii_field;(expelled unchanged!)
1293097;1444164034;mircea_popescu;im not that into psychoactives.
1293098;1444164116;ascii_field;sure. but asparagus only goes so far..
1293099;1444164399;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/ac190b527e8e20d91509f94f9223a734/tumblr_nj0jkzJ4a41u4e2kko1_1280.jpg << transparent is for virgin!
1293100;1444164400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv4B0f )
1293101;1444164590;BingoBoingo;lol https://archive.is/vpCKt
1293102;1444164591;assbot;Bitpay payments not being paid " invalid transaction associated to this invoice as a result of the stress test" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv4VvQ )
1293103;1444164726;BingoBoingo;So malleability thing going now, excepting retards that do the 0-conf depend on txid... pretty much a mempool bloater
1293104;1444164813;jurov;and it helps exchange rate, it seems
1293105;1444164867;jurov;re:mempool, interesting that stan found out txen are never actually freed (see last S.NSA report)
1293106;1444165019;BingoBoingo;Especially never freed if never mined, because malleable got the other conf'd first
1293107;1444165204;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1293108;1444165231;ascii_field;https://www.hackinparis.com/sites/hackinparis.com/files/lopes_esteves_kasmi_you_dont_hear_me.pdf << lulzy. >> http://dpaste.com/1DV84YN.txt (missing, of course, illustrations)
1293109;1444165233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv5HJd )
1293110;1444165234;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv5HJj )
1293111;1444165304;ascii_field;^ in case anyone did not understand that 'voice command' is asinine
1293112;1444165362;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293105 << i would like to see some of the folks here independently confirm this discovery.
1293113;1444165362;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 20:54:27; jurov: re:mempool, interesting that stan found out txen are never actually freed (see last S.NSA report)
1293114;1444165375;ascii_field;and more people-other-than-me-hacking-on-therealbitcoin in general.
1293115;1444165537;ascii_field;;;seen artifexd
1293116;1444165537;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
1293117;1444165551;ascii_field;eh.
1293118;1444165832;BingoBoingo;Half a year in the life
1293119;1444165860;ascii_field;mircea_popescu et al: http://habrahabr.ru/company/mosigra/blog/268211 << user interfaces in china. interesting enough to be worth the work (googletranslate if you must)
1293120;1444165862;assbot;Что я узнал про интерфейсы в реальном мире в Китае / Блог компании Мосигра / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv6rOE )
1293121;1444166089;ascii_field;epic mega-treatise.
1293122;1444166633;trinque;Given that the main problem of the country - to cope with different types of DDoS on the infrastructure due to the large number of users, different solutions are born. For example, the train has a separate toilet and separate washrooms. Excellent TRIZ principle - separation. << thinking about human DDOS... awesome.
1293123;1444166701;ascii_field;re: triz:
1293124;1444166715;ascii_field;!s altshuller
1293125;1444166716;assbot;2 results for 'altshuller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=altshuller
1293126;1444166728;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2014#685942
1293127;1444166728;assbot;Logged on 22-05-2014 17:16:09; asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: 'And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared.' by Genrich Altshuller.
1293128;1444166730;ascii_field;^ mega-scholar
1293129;1444166734;ascii_field;in all seriousness
1293130;1444166757;ascii_field;imho the only man to have ever gotten anywhere studying invention in the abstract.
1293131;1444166794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00048697 = 9.569 BTC [+]
1293132;1444167046;trinque;!up ascii_field
1293133;1444167079;trinque;many houses in Portland had that stairstepped portion as on the bridge
1293134;1444167093;trinque;on steep driveways
1293135;1444167612;mod6;sweet, V code is basically complete.  one remaining test left to write surrouding 'press' (shouldn't take long), then just documentation to write about the thing.
1293136;1444167632;mod6;almost there :]
1293137;1444167879;ascii_field;mod6: neat!
1293138;1444167893;ascii_field;mod6: what's surrounding-press ?
1293139;1444167903;ascii_field;oh i get it
1293140;1444167923;ascii_field;this is your v-in-perl ?
1293141;1444167977;mod6;yeah. i mean, "cucumber automated test that surrounds (gives coverage to) the press function"
1293142;1444167985;ascii_field;ah
1293143;1444168016;mod6;so that's the only thing left and then just user documentation.  and then can start passing around the first version for people to try out to ensure of zero major defects.
1293144;1444168020;ascii_field;mod6: you may end up, like it or not, king of 'v' ! see latest s.nsa broadcast.
1293145;1444168023;mod6;then will publish to th elist.
1293146;1444168049;mod6;I saw your comments in your monthly s.nsa broadcast :)
1293147;1444168086;ascii_field;my only real quibble with the preview of this (or was it punkman's ??) 'v' shown a while back, is that it used interactive questions to user
1293148;1444168099;ascii_field;'v' really needs to be a pure commandline thing
1293149;1444168107;ascii_field;as in, there ought to be no operations which result in prompts
1293150;1444168143;mod6;ah, no this thing doesn't prompt at all.  just command line flags.  works a lot like your implementation.  no caching, etc.
1293151;1444168154;ascii_field;then great.
1293152;1444168193;mod6;one major difference is i'm using Getopt::Long to control user input -- which ends up altering flags instead of 'w' for wot, ends up being '-w' or '--wot' but I think we can get over that.
1293153;1444168210;ascii_field;why does it demand the - ?
1293154;1444168232;mod6;its just how it determines options from values.
1293155;1444168249;mod6;perhaps later, i could rebuild my own or something.
1293156;1444168253;ascii_field;can't just get argv raw ?
1293157;1444168291;mod6;I actually started with this, but .. it got hairy to control some of the input.
1293158;1444168326;mod6;Tried out Getopt::Long and it was able to do what I wanted with much less arm-wrestling.
1293159;1444168400;mod6;Eh, who knows, maybe I can take another wack at that part before I'm finished here.
1293160;1444168548;BingoBoingo;!t m s.qntr
1293161;1444168549;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00024131 / 0.00028698 / 0.0003036 (750 shares, 0.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00024109 / 0.00033121 / 0.00040884 (78161 shares, 25.89 BTC)
1293162;1444169218;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1293163;1444169337;mod6;ascii_field: so yah, now that the code is pretty much complete, I'll see if I can get rid of getopt::long and elegantly implement the options handling on my own.
1293164;1444170669;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, ok - this works just fine now, seems even more clean than getopt::long.
1293165;1444170702;mod6;sweet.
1293166;1444171444;punkman;http://habrahabr.ru/company/mosigra/blog/268211 << love the winter scooter https://habrastorage.org/files/cb0/236/32e/cb023632e8c64a66b45c2c1ae5e86ca3.jpeg
1293167;1444171445;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gv6rOE )
1293168;1444171446;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSwm8n )
1293169;1444171584;punkman;ascii_field: my only real quibble with the preview of this (or was it punkman's ??) 'v' shown a while back, is that it used interactive questions to user << yeah it can export the patch sequence and you can then press without interaction
1293170;1444171699;punkman;another possibility is that it'd let you choose multiple heads and then it'd lookup all ascendants of chosen heads and press with those
1293171;1444171717;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/0Y75K2G.txt
1293172;1444171718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okb7Pc )
1293173;1444172162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049403 = 4.9897 BTC [+]
1293174;1444172467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00049311 = 9.8622 BTC [-]
1293175;1444172653;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1293176;1444172659;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.99, vol: 27730.59016906 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 242.739, vol: 10097.16641 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 247.58, vol: 16982.7753674 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 251.382703, vol: 21700.21620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.88, vol: 79.87407055 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 247.94, vol: 126.26585765 | Volume-weighted last average: 247.804040843
1293177;1444173611;cazalla;does anyone know what this is? finding  many of them on the surface of the garden most mornings, thought i was going crazy at first as i removed a couple but they are popping up everywhere http://i.imgur.com/U5SSbtU.jpg
1293178;1444173612;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc4hP9 )
1293179;1444173691;BingoBoingo;Any nearby trees?
1293180;1444173699;cazalla;many
1293181;1444173715;cazalla;finding it on top of potted plants too
1293182;1444173722;BingoBoingo;Any of them have shit looking vaguely like that growing on them?
1293183;1444173790;cazalla;not on the trees or plants, just the soil
1293184;1444173820;cazalla;those little brown balls are dry and when broken up seem to spread in the air like a dandelion
1293185;1444174015;BingoBoingo;Gotta be some sort of flower/seed
1293186;1444174041;BingoBoingo;But since australia prolly crazy poisonous
1293187;1444174534;BingoBoingo;!up artifexd
1293188;1444174698;BingoBoingo;In other news https://archive.is/JeaA0
1293189;1444174699;assbot;Agility - Pembroke Welsh Corgi Puppies-Celestial Star Corgis ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc5w0T )
1293190;1444174863;BingoBoingo;https://dogsofsf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_23711.jpg
1293191;1444174867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc5MNb )
1293192;1444175160;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mike_c the discrepancy is that of the +/- sign. Strangely, just since last night, the sign indicated in the 'direct' row changed from (-) to () [aka (+)], but the graph line is still red instead of green, as seen here : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/btcalpha-sign-silliness.png.
1293193;1444175161;assbot;Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc6c6g )
1293194;1444175161;gribble;Error: "aka" is not a valid command.
1293195;1444175161;pete_dushenski;also, i know that you can rate in private. sheesh u guise.
1293196;1444175197;pete_dushenski;gribble no le gusta square brackets ?
1293197;1444175219;pete_dushenski;;;later tell mike_c the discrepancy is that of the +/- sign. Strangely, just since last night, the sign indicated in the 'direct' row changed from (-) to () (aka (+)), but the graph line is still red instead of green, as seen here : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/btcalpha-sign-silliness.png.
1293198;1444175221;assbot;Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc6c6g )
1293199;1444175221;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1293200;1444175228;pete_dushenski;hm. guess so. til.
1293201;1444175334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00049549 = 6.8873 BTC [+]
1293202;1444175350;BingoBoingo;;;grammar gribble has a one all its own
1293203;1444175351;gribble;Error: "grammar" is not a valid command.
1293204;1444175424;BingoBoingo;!up wpalczynski
1293205;1444175526;BingoBoingo;!up SirJacket
1293206;1444175527;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292453 << and here i was imaging mp shmoozing with local intelligencia that he'd somehow attracted with a giant magnet from clear across the country, having his girls pour bubbly while the conversation drifted from how one tests for ~actual genuine bohemian glass~ to the best surgeon's stitch for a knife wound in the back to the best source for local huevos to
1293207;1444175527;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 00:23:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-10-2015#1292365 << lol. i have yet to meet an argentinian that would be qualified to finish highschool. fortunately, online's a thing.
1293208;1444175527;pete_dushenski; goodness only knows !
1293209;1444175682;pete_dushenski;mpoe up 25% overnight. snazzy. hope a few of you caught a piece of the sale ;)
1293210;1444175765;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293010 << at least until pr pete shows up. then the lay-low-party's over.
1293211;1444175765;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 19:52:02; mircea_popescu: anyway. the advantage of anon & disappeared as opposed to "going to every conference that serves pasta" is that you don't have to face the "i fucking expected better of you" reproach.
1293212;1444175858;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i still think there are thinking folks hidden deep in b-a. ~somebody~ is buying that cnc machinery.
1293213;1444175859;BingoBoingo;I believe in PR pete
1293214;1444175899;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293061 << been reading more about gaming marketing. stumbled across popcap games, which reminded me that once upon a time, more than a half-decade ago, i actually played an iOS game for a stretch : plants vs. zombies (tower defense game)
1293215;1444175899;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 20:27:24; mircea_popescu: somehow. dunno how. but gamers and strippers is the winner combo.
1293216;1444175944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54508 @ 0.00049346 = 26.8975 BTC [-]
1293217;1444175964;cazalla;pete_dushenski, that became an ios game at the tail end of its lifetime
1293218;1444175973;pete_dushenski;aha. didn't know that.
1293219;1444175999;pete_dushenski;oh, i guess i also played 'words with friends' but that's really just scrabble, not much of a 'computer game'
1293220;1444176048;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform what makes you think anyone is arhentina is buying cnc machinery ?
1293221;1444176066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47467 @ 0.00049558 = 23.5237 BTC [+] {2} 
1293222;1444176095;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1292987 << makes sense. look at the size of those dividends. cripes.
1293223;1444176095;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
1293224;1444176111;pete_dushenski;impressive work, Naphex !
1293225;1444176215;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i do not know who is buying. but someone is selling...
1293226;1444176253;asciilifeform;uploading photos i snapped personally
1293227;1444176270;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/a/dUMl6 << just for pete_dushenski
1293228;1444176271;assbot;cnc in buenos aires - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5l2lV )
1293229;1444176282;asciilifeform;both cnc and traditional mills, lathes, in a little shop.
1293230;1444176308;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes was standing right next to me when i saw this.
1293231;1444176318;asciilifeform;(and iirc he, unlike i, had even been inside at one time)
1293232;1444176444;pete_dushenski;perhaps the number of cnc machines for sale in buenos aires is indicative of the lack of thinking folks there ?
1293233;1444176456;asciilifeform;..?
1293234;1444176466;*;asciilifeform does not follow the syllogism
1293235;1444176467;pete_dushenski;that they're still for sale.
1293236;1444176483;pete_dushenski;and not in someone's shop or home laboratory
1293237;1444176500;asciilifeform;unless the whole thing is a front, someone is buying
1293238;1444176511;BingoBoingo;http://38.media.tumblr.com/35e1b1e12513589ed42d9ffafcef809e/tumblr_inline_mssdnoHyyg1qz4rgp.gif
1293239;1444176526;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform because why ? like arhentina has an economy or something ?
1293240;1444176546;pete_dushenski;sounds to me like it's 100% posturing that no estan pobres
1293241;1444176555;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: presumably the shop keeper pays rent
1293242;1444176560;asciilifeform;with... money
1293243;1444176584;pete_dushenski;and he draws in customers into his store with cnc machines in the front window
1293244;1444176594;asciilifeform;and what, cuts them up for organs ?
1293245;1444176607;pete_dushenski;like putting a bugatti veyron in the window of sachs fifth avenue
1293246;1444176626;pete_dushenski;no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume
1293247;1444176646;asciilifeform;perfume?!
1293248;1444176656;asciilifeform;i saw a drum of cutting lube
1293249;1444176659;pete_dushenski;at sachs, yes.
1293250;1444176659;asciilifeform;i suppose for some - perfume.
1293251;1444176664;pete_dushenski;lol
1293252;1444176683;pete_dushenski;not much for shopping are ya ?
1293253;1444176701;asciilifeform;i usually get things mailed in
1293254;1444176706;pete_dushenski;i guess without ebay and paypal you'd be swimming in dough
1293255;1444176710;asciilifeform;but once in a while i go to a shop.
1293256;1444176714;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume << TrueFax, brother and his wife got their newest corgi AT A DISCOUNT because it had the "fluffy" mutation
1293257;1444176744;pete_dushenski;fluffy corgi ? got a pic ?
1293258;1444176752;asciilifeform;most recently, went into one that had gps-guided gigantic quadrocopters for sale. at ~1300 usd a pop, even. funnily, they sell. and idiots fly them into various 'forbidden zones' like whitehouse, etc.
1293259;1444176771;asciilifeform;(the costly machines fly themselves, luser points and grunts on his ipNohe to give coordinates)
1293260;1444176854;asciilifeform;(for anyone unfamiliar with the subject - serious multicopter aficionados sneer at luserdom, and build strictly from parts)
1293261;1444176859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22759 @ 0.00049346 = 11.2307 BTC [-]
1293262;1444176865;pete_dushenski;hell, copter's cheaper than ipNohe (top end)
1293263;1444176871;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> fluffy corgi ? got a pic ? << Challenge because of few good options to move pics from turdopnoHe to Interwebs since Imgur app went retarded
1293264;1444176875;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: wai wut?!
1293265;1444176881;asciilifeform;which pnohe costs >1300 usd ?
1293266;1444176896;pete_dushenski;the top end one.
1293267;1444176903;pete_dushenski;ah, maybe cad...
1293268;1444176908;mircea_popescu;also http://40.media.tumblr.com/16986e3f1aecae232080886cabe25214/tumblr_ni8rodg7Ww1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
1293269;1444176909;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc8h2c )
1293270;1444176917;pete_dushenski;bit of a ding on cad/usd of late.
1293271;1444176957;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293103 << been going for like... 2 days ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-10-2015#1291963
1293272;1444176957;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 20:52:06; BingoBoingo: So malleability thing going now, excepting retards that do the 0-conf depend on txid... pretty much a mempool bloater
1293273;1444176957;assbot;Logged on 05-10-2015 05:59:13; assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 17:49:14; mircea_popescu: check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
1293274;1444176968;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: current quote is ~1k usd for the fattest one from apple
1293275;1444176980;asciilifeform;go, buy.
1293276;1444176991;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: A bit longer http://qntra.net/2015/10/malleability-issues-continue-testing-zero-conf-faithful/
1293277;1444176992;assbot;Malleability Issues Continue Testing Zero-conf Faithful | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1jc8mmp )
1293278;1444177002;mircea_popescu;right
1293279;1444177019;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop.
1293280;1444177019;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293111 << say wut alf ?
1293281;1444177019;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 21:01:44; ascii_field: ^ in case anyone did not understand that 'voice command' is asinine
1293282;1444177051;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try walking into a room of gadget collectors, and say 'OK google, delete all...'
1293283;1444177051;BingoBoingo;Not much longer, but long enough for Derpanies to latch onto Derp hosted wallet's engineering error to make excuses for themselves
1293284;1444177057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then watch their faces
1293285;1444177067;mircea_popescu;!up iinaj
1293286;1444177081;asciilifeform;(i do not know in which languages this feature works today, but english world is awash in it)
1293287;1444177101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform must be they put something in my coffee. wut ?!
1293288;1444177116;mircea_popescu;voicecommand as in, !v ? and google delete what ? items ?
1293289;1444177119;asciilifeform;nono
1293290;1444177126;asciilifeform;link concerned an article regarding voice-controlled gadgets
1293291;1444177132;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1293292;1444177159;asciilifeform;which can be, it turns out, 'commanded' remotely via strategically-shaped radio signal - which gets heterodyned in the headphones
1293293;1444177160;mircea_popescu;yeah i totally wanna see 6 axis 1mw robot arms controlled by voice.
1293294;1444177169;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop. << No one I know with iPNohes paid for them, teh_ girlfriendz (or their dads did
1293295;1444177174;asciilifeform;(typically it is a pNohe)
1293296;1444177177;mircea_popescu;"i didn't say pound me into pate, i said bring tea to pete!"
1293297;1444177202;pete_dushenski;egyptian licorice tea, if you please
1293298;1444177229;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: normally in usa the telco pays (in exchange for an indenture lock-in chumping)
1293299;1444177248;mircea_popescu;they DO have various girl submission devices that are intended to be phone controlled.
1293300;1444177252;mircea_popescu;butterflies and whatnot.
1293301;1444177260;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not anymore, financing plan is new SOP
1293302;1444177268;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with 'bluetooth' receivers even.
1293303;1444177276;mircea_popescu;aha.
1293304;1444177283;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think this was in the log
1293305;1444177288;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rental thing
1293306;1444177293;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo in usistan, home of the brave leasees, only
1293307;1444177295;asciilifeform;(why? i've no idea)
1293308;1444177312;asciilifeform;who rents a $1k gadget ?
1293309;1444177313;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not rental, as of earlier this year loan, just like for car
1293310;1444177334;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293144 << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain.
1293311;1444177334;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 21:47:00; ascii_field: mod6: you may end up, like it or not, king of 'v' ! see latest s.nsa broadcast.
1293312;1444177338;mircea_popescu;more kings needed.
1293313;1444177349;asciilifeform;i mean, i'd rent an excavator, say, if i only wanted it for a day
1293314;1444177356;asciilifeform;but rent phone ?
1293315;1444177363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do i need to link you to the article delineating fucking organizers bought on time ?
1293316;1444177366;asciilifeform;throwback to pre-at&t breakup..
1293317;1444177378;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was in egypt iirc ?
1293318;1444177391;mircea_popescu;buenos aires, same thing.
1293319;1444177406;asciilifeform;i suppose gringolandia is now a kind of egyptertina
1293320;1444177461;mircea_popescu;it's actually remarkably close to where egypt was, pre us/saudi split and the entire nonsense since 2000s.
1293321;1444177462;asciilifeform;(phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published)
1293322;1444177505;mircea_popescu;cairo, 50% of population, ba 50% of population. nonsensical govt, nonsensical govt ; very mentally stunted population that excels at menial, labour intensive tasks ; overblown palace bureaucracy, the entire works.
1293323;1444177523;mircea_popescu;only difference is the egyptian chicks fuck more intensively while the argentines look better. but...\
1293324;1444177525;asciilifeform;as in all orcish lands ?
1293325;1444177537;mircea_popescu;i dunno. ukrs nothing like that.
1293326;1444177551;asciilifeform;~which~ ukrs ?
1293327;1444177561;asciilifeform;(true ukrs, or east ?)
1293328;1444177628;mircea_popescu;true ukrs
1293329;1444177651;*;asciilifeform knows these folks largely secondhand
1293330;1444177721;mircea_popescu;it's "colonies where the indigents weren't massacred". mexico, egypt, you name it.
1293331;1444177728;mircea_popescu;heck, even china, at leastoriginally.
1293332;1444177739;asciilifeform;india
1293333;1444177748;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: imgur.com/sG5TJMb << New one is one the left, smaller dog 14 weeks of age
1293334;1444177784;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you clink it. has a very speciffic sound.
1293335;1444177845;asciilifeform;incidentally (and if ben_vulpes were awake he might explain) lead is often added to other substances, not only glass, to ease machining
1293336;1444177862;mircea_popescu;certainly leaded glass is a better blow.
1293337;1444177862;asciilifeform;e.g., 'free machining steel' used by prototype makers is often leaded
1293338;1444177868;asciilifeform;better ~cut~
1293339;1444177875;mircea_popescu;that also.
1293340;1444177885;asciilifeform;(that was the original point of throwing in the pb)
1293341;1444177897;asciilifeform;it is a lubricant.
1293342;1444177900;mircea_popescu;i thought much better friability.
1293343;1444177901;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/sWn4jBs << More detail
1293344;1444177902;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5mGnm )
1293345;1444177905;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo dog's as fluffy as the rug. thankfully, not as green.
1293346;1444177907;mircea_popescu;was the original point
1293347;1444177915;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Indeed
1293348;1444177916;asciilifeform;dogue!
1293349;1444177922;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha. neat !
1293350;1444177967;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293212 <<< yeah. somebody looking for a clothes hanger.
1293351;1444177967;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 23:57:38; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still think there are thinking folks hidden deep in b-a. ~somebody~ is buying that cnc machinery.
1293352;1444178004;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293217 << i fucking love tower defense.
1293353;1444178004;assbot;Logged on 06-10-2015 23:59:24; cazalla: pete_dushenski, that became an ios game at the tail end of its lifetime
1293354;1444178007;asciilifeform;and this is where we learn that mircea_popescu cnc-machines his hangers from beryllium copper
1293355;1444178017;mircea_popescu;in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually.
1293356;1444178032;*;BingoBoingo will try to bring better, actual camera next time. Smaller Dog's name is Beans. The larger dog is Frank. Both have short legs.
1293357;1444178045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one's gotta do what one's gotta do when running out of perky nips.
1293358;1444178065;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually. << Before or after Lich's are implemented as a thing to become
1293359;1444178078;mircea_popescu;prolly before.
1293360;1444178090;BingoBoingo;But then who holds the towers?
1293361;1444178103;mod6;asciilifeform: ya, you were right... got nice looking option control now with only @ARGV. not sure what my malfunction was before.
1293362;1444178111;asciilifeform;neato mod6 !
1293363;1444178119;mircea_popescu;nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade.
1293364;1444178134;BingoBoingo;Ah
1293365;1444178162;mircea_popescu;and you make money from it, and so on.
1293366;1444178209;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293310 << my point was that i no longer see a point in maintaining my original 'v' - mod6 has a considerably spiffier one, which ought to be the flagship
1293367;1444178209;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 00:22:14; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2015#1293144 << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain.
1293368;1444178240;asciilifeform;mine was more of a proof of concept / motorized spec
1293369;1444178251;mircea_popescu;yes, he's competent. there is however such a thing as competence choking.
1293370;1444178257;mircea_popescu;it even has king in it
1293371;1444178264;asciilifeform;wai wut
1293372;1444178326;mircea_popescu;you know, when the best looking guy ends up with all the women.
1293373;1444178334;mircea_popescu;very little fucking and even less conceiving is done as a result.
1293374;1444178395;asciilifeform;hey it works for walrus
1293375;1444178419;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1293376;1444178464;asciilifeform;anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas
1293377;1444178479;asciilifeform;and it is working!
1293378;1444178491;mircea_popescu;hehe. cool, but i also want total walrus factor to go down!
1293379;1444178556;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293363 << like in spelunx ! (mega-classic)
1293380;1444178556;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 00:35:19; mircea_popescu: nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade.
1293381;1444178573;asciilifeform;now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me...
1293382;1444178613;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqNJCgnohWE << these sounds bring back memories.
1293383;1444178614;assbot;Spelunx and the Caves of Mr. Seudo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5ndG6 )
1293384;1444178618;mircea_popescu;i also want soul hunter thing as a minigame, and a genetics thing, and a few others. the minigame portion of eulora is gonna be pretty spiffy, really. huge gameplay thing, but i don't really see it happening before 2017..
1293385;1444178632;asciilifeform;no need for book learnin' - just read the src 'for six months'
1293386;1444178648;pete_dushenski;tuesday night : time to go sing my little heart out. cheers !
1293387;1444178712;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, what tower defense did you play? I know of it from starcraft
1293388;1444178764;mircea_popescu;oh tons. iirc there's even an article
1293389;1444178788;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=site:trilema.com+tower+defense&complete=0&ncr=1 << five or so as it turns out
1293390;1444178789;assbot;site:trilema.com tower defense - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5npVC )
1293391;1444178906;asciilifeform;re: gamez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1f3gYeiHBQ << apparently this exists.
1293392;1444178907;assbot;Prison Architect v1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nvNe )
1293393;1444178917;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas << Qntra struggles with this if any lurkers want a chance to get work done in #b-a wotlandia
1293394;1444179044;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-DOViwa-q4 << moar
1293395;1444179044;assbot;Prison Architect Alpha 36 - the FINAL ALPHA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nBUY )
1293396;1444179055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00049346 = 6.0202 BTC [-]
1293397;1444179107;asciilifeform;'Two people died on the first day of my prison. The solitary was always full, most prisoners were shackled in their cells and a weeaboo legendary prisoner kept breaking out and killing my guards.. On the fourth day, said weeaboo broke through a double-layer solitary cell and stole a shotgun from an armoury. He lit the prison on fire and escaped. That's what I call a good prison.' << l0l
1293398;1444179172;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re7ev-hQ8c0
1293399;1444179172;assbot;Prison Architect - One man micro-prison - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5nI2Y )
1293400;1444179207;*;asciilifeform distinctly recalls 'sim-auschwitz' from 1990s, there were scandalous wanks in american media about it, but this is something new
1293401;1444179257;danielpbarron;that steampunk thing doesn't look like what I have played. To me, "tower defence" means building a maze of turrets to control the flow of progressively beefier monsters, the goal being to kill them all before the get through
1293402;1444179299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19033 @ 0.00049346 = 9.392 BTC [-]
1293403;1444179303;mircea_popescu;quite, yes.
1293404;1444179308;mircea_popescu;that's what it means in general.
1293405;1444179327;asciilifeform;the 'prison' thing is also a tower defense
1293406;1444179332;asciilifeform;but, lulzily, from... inside
1293407;1444179343;mircea_popescu;lol
1293408;1444179467;danielpbarron;warcraft3 had a neat variation, "island defence," in which there is one monster and he is controlled by a human player, and joined by defeated defenders
1293409;1444179555;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron http://trilema.com/paid-content/2010/azgardtd.swf << can try that one mebbe. i never managed to get past l ~50 or so.
1293410;1444179555;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5o9Kv )
1293411;1444179561;mircea_popescu;awshit.
1293412;1444179604;mircea_popescu;;;google azgard tower defense
1293413;1444179605;asciilifeform;l0l swf
1293414;1444179605;gribble;Azgard Tower Defense - Free online games at Agame.com: <http://www.agame.com/game/azgard-tower-defense>; Azgard Tower Defense Game Online - Best Flash Games: <http://www.best-flash-games.net/strategy-games/azgard-tower-defense.html>; Azgard Defence @ Play Tower Defense Games: <http://www.playtowerdefensegames.com/games/918/azgard-defence.html>
1293415;1444179678;danielpbarron;if eulora's to have minigames like TD, I recommend Dota
1293416;1444179695;mircea_popescu;that's a DIFFERENT thing.
1293417;1444179720;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2015/10/vessenes-foundation-drops-sponsorship-of-node-explorer/#comment-63937 << l0l!
1293418;1444179721;assbot;Vessenes' Foundation Drops Sponsorship of Node Explorer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KX2xSS )
1293419;1444179731;asciilifeform;but is this 'shakespeare, or another man by that name' ?!
1293420;1444179875;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Appears to credibly be that man to the point it can be verified without strong signatures
1293421;1444180031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39456 @ 0.00048869 = 19.2818 BTC [-]
1293422;1444180061;deedbot-;[Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-september-2015-statement/
1293423;1444180105;mircea_popescu;"While the press support and relationships established can benefit your game, a lot of companies have �won� E3 and vanished shortly thereafter."
1293424;1444180111;mircea_popescu;and by a lot we mean to say.... pretty much all.
1293425;1444180118;mircea_popescu;heck, bitpay won the what was it, indy race ?
1293426;1444180480;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Federal Reserve will raise federal funds rate October FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1201/federal-reserve-will-raise-federal-funds-rate-october/#b13
1293427;1444180519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00048711 = 19.2896 BTC [-] {3} 
1293428;1444181026;deedbot-;[Qntra] Fiat Broker Broker Scottrade Hacked - http://qntra.net/2015/10/fiat-broker-broker-scottrade-hacked/
1293429;1444181046;mike_c;;;later tell pete_dushenski the graph is likely just cached in your browser.  press f5.
1293430;1444181046;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1293431;1444181080;BingoBoingo;^ Fiat GLBSE got Owned apparently
1293432;1444181091;mike_c;and yes, i could put a cache buster on that..  i'll put it on the todo
1293433;1444181190;BingoBoingo;What if on my machine F5 doesn't mean "reload" but instead "re-load"
1293434;1444181328;mircea_popescu;that's a decent amount of broker.
1293435;1444181350;mircea_popescu;mike_c prolly just set the ttl on the pic
1293436;1444181399;mircea_popescu;Information publicly disclosed on the Scottrade breech << lulzy, but breach.
1293437;1444181618;BingoBoingo;Fuck, again
1293438;1444181696;BingoBoingo;Fxd
1293439;1444181720;phf;asciilifeform: now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me... << i started investigating the issue a while ago, but dropped it since wasn't sure if it was the highest priority. i've been traveling, but i'll get back to it. i don't see any reason it can't be resolved. i'm not claiming territory, but unless someone more compotent decides to take over you can consider me
1293440;1444181722;phf;responsible for the issue.
1293441;1444181739;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293308 <<< rent to buy ipad scam is popular here
1293442;1444181739;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 00:21:52; asciilifeform: who rents a $1k gadget ?
1293443;1444181757;cazalla;https://www.radio-rentals.com.au/apple/ipad
1293444;1444181761;assbot;IPad Rental | Rent to Own | Radio Rentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1j65qab )
1293445;1444181808;mircea_popescu;phf this is a non-competence blocking issue. it doesn't matter how competent or credentialed you are,code in question will be reviewed anyway.
1293446;1444181827;cazalla;even comes with free installation https://www.radio-rentals.com.au/apple/iphone/apple-iphone-5-16gb
1293447;1444181831;assbot;Rent IPhone 5S 16Gb IPhone | Rent to Own | Radio Rentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1j65Ddu )
1293448;1444181845;BingoBoingo;phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree.
1293449;1444181885;mircea_popescu;and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it.
1293450;1444181942;*;BingoBoingo hates C the more I play with TI-92
1293451;1444181987;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293321 <<< i use to work for main telco doing cust service.. not uncommon to find little old lady with 2 or 3 rotary phone rentals attached to account for years on end.. sometimes little old ladies had wireless, cable and dsl connections because some indian fuck sold her on the idea so he could get the commission
1293452;1444181987;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 00:24:22; asciilifeform: (phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published)
1293453;1444182008;thestringpuller;the TI-92 uses C?
1293454;1444182009;BingoBoingo;TI-92 is the Corgi/Manul/PampasCat of the computing world. The more you play with it, the less you can stand other...
1293455;1444182015;phf;aight
1293456;1444182069;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You can program in TI-BASIC shit or ASM. Sure, you can compile ASM from C, but might as well derpot in basic then.
1293457;1444182125;BingoBoingo;Also far more fun than real macs and the TI-89 because useful default software and full keyboard.
1293458;1444182164;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ << No longer Favorite.
1293459;1444182164;assbot;BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.03 B (47%) on Yes, 1.15 B (53%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 95`342 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )
1293460;1444182198;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1205/marco-rubio-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ << By BitBet Rubio clearly the Repube nominee
1293461;1444182199;assbot;BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (63%) on Yes, 0.32 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 93`543 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwMN1 )
1293462;1444182241;BingoBoingo;No longer Jeb and Rubio as co-favorites. Rubio is now clear nominee.
1293463;1444182316;mircea_popescu;lol
1293464;1444182320;BingoBoingo;Or should I stahp keeping a consistent BitBet payout address because my latest experiment in that scares people https://bitbet.us/stats/14BqjpHAeM2EC6aJkrzM7cbTeePQCJJs5C/
1293465;1444182321;assbot;BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1KK06Tn )
1293466;1444182387;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, even when not loading weird on it TI-92 is a great desk calculator.
1293467;1444182405;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw <<
1293468;1444182495;BingoBoingo;<thestringpuller> asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw << NO thestringpuller. Better avanues for diddling exist
1293469;1444182496;assbot;hmlb/phpunit-vw · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1j67cbs )
1293470;1444182584;*;BingoBoingo proposes Illinois emissions test challenge. Illinois emissions test depends entirely on OBD-II output. Make a vehicle pass while plainly emitting clouds of soot.
1293471;1444182766;mircea_popescu;if anyone's sickly curious, here's a rather typical ro court proceeding : http://infodosar.ro/d.php?dosar=4089/105/2015&submit=Cauta
1293472;1444182767;assbot;InfoDosar 4089/105/2015 | Tribunalul Prahova ... ( http://bit.ly/1j67S0C )
1293473;1444182808;BingoBoingo;In other news I had a jury duty summons this week. Passed over every day. Today was told my service is complete.
1293474;1444182812;mircea_popescu;guy was trading pot, had 5 grams + ~1k$ confiscated, 2 years in prison for trading, 6 months for possession, suspended sentence.
1293475;1444182818;mircea_popescu;more interestingly, whole shebang's online.
1293476;1444182878;BingoBoingo;Fiatlandia is getting desperate. Making examples and skipping over "burn it all" weirdos.
1293477;1444182885;thestringpuller;2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck.
1293478;1444182898;mircea_popescu;2 years was for dealing.
1293479;1444182900;mircea_popescu;6 months.
1293480;1444182909;thestringpuller;WID charge here is like 10 years min
1293481;1444182920;mircea_popescu;but anyway, first offense, so he serves no jail time. has to show up monthly to probation officer.
1293482;1444182922;BingoBoingo;<thestringpuller> 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck. << Illinois would plea that out
1293483;1444182937;mircea_popescu;romania does not admit plea bargains.
1293484;1444182962;mircea_popescu;in fact, romania disbars das if shown they tried to taint the trial, which is what plea bargain would be in sane places.
1293485;1444182972;BingoBoingo;Acquaintance who FUCKING ROBBED A BANK will prolly finish probation before I even get an evidentiary hearing
1293486;1444182995;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's the importance of massmarket for you. he did something that's mainstream
1293487;1444183002;mircea_popescu;not weird fucking offences that scarcely even exist.
1293488;1444183004;BingoBoingo;Sure his parole should be revoked for his latest incident of IDENTITY FUCKING THEFT, but
1293489;1444183109;mircea_popescu;can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ?
1293490;1444183127;mircea_popescu;sixth of a fucking ounce ?
1293491;1444183131;BingoBoingo;Anyways aparently in the USistan no matter where you are, if your parents ahve affairs with the right other people's parents...
1293492;1444183141;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> sixth of a fucking ounce ? << yes
1293493;1444183180;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ? << In a collegiate environment last I heard people traded pot in single grams if it did not smell of dogshit.
1293494;1444183180;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: the high schoolers usually buy per joint cause they don't know any better
1293495;1444183198;thestringpuller;unless they are super rich kids and parents do drugs /w kids etc.
1293496;1444183205;BingoBoingo;Sure people preferred trading bigger.
1293497;1444183218;BingoBoingo;Trading smaller was a sure sign of a bust though.
1293498;1444183258;thestringpuller;ANything over an ounce here (Georgia) is a felony.
1293499;1444183270;BingoBoingo;Trying to force small trades was how people politely let everyone else know they were compelled to turn state's witness
1293500;1444183379;thestringpuller;^- Or the sign of a d00d just trying to smoke for free.
1293501;1444183472;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I thought bank robbery was an instafelony too. How does one get probation fro that? Returned the money?
1293502;1444183556;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family.
1293503;1444183896;*;BingoBoingo remembers this time back in undergrad at McKendree where in his freshman year this M named chick got busted for peddling weed to this Jim Chronister motherfucker (actual name because informants suck). Turn out Jim Chronister made a deal with the local 5-0. People assumed on campus I smoked weed so he tried to buy from me. Given his reputation I sold Jim the finest handrolled cigarettes filled with great Turkish rolling tobac
1293504;1444183939;BingoBoingo;Jimmy boy was pissed, but then I informed him the "weed" in his spliffs was literal shit.
1293505;1444183951;BingoBoingo;Jimmy boy was really pissed.
1293506;1444183986;phf;selling jenkem i see, that's 5 to 10
1293507;1444184034;BingoBoingo;Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
1293508;1444184135;BingoBoingo;Moral of the story, On 'Murican campuses if at all possible you make friends with the foozball team.
1293509;1444184175;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293448 << here i must disappoint BingoBoingo. iirc the mechanism was changed, cardinally, in 0.7 and up. any work concerning leakage, involving these ancient abominations is inapplicable to therealbitcoin.
1293510;1444184175;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 01:37:25; BingoBoingo: phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree.
1293511;1444184229;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293449 << we actually have a 'type 1' problem here. i already found the leak. (it consists, roughly, of the vessel having no bottom to speak of!)
1293512;1444184229;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 01:38:05; mircea_popescu: and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it.
1293513;1444184237;asciilifeform;what remains is to build the vessel a bottom...
1293514;1444184250;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As far as I know parts were changed, but I suck at CplusCock+ so I have to assume improvements would be open to trial.
1293515;1444184270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the particular moving part in question was replaced by something unlike.
1293516;1444184342;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293467 << wat
1293517;1444184342;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 01:46:45; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw <<
1293518;1444184348;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Many things patched in 0.5.4 candidate were patched by unlike yet have adaptable fixes. Waiting on that plug to be patched before publishing next 0.7.x bastardo codebase
1293519;1444184350;*;asciilifeform is innocent of php. and of unit tests..
1293520;1444184401;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is a reason i gave up on backports. but i suppose you will discover it by yourself.
1293521;1444184408;*;BingoBoingo ignorant of machine. Only understands patches by forcing them on to wildly differing codebases like 0.7-ish
1293522;1444184434;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Backports suck.
1293523;1444184441;BingoBoingo;Honestly I like the work
1293524;1444184452;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293477 <-- i know of no better example of worldwide bowing to empire than adoption of dupont's great solution to the "hemp problem"
1293525;1444184452;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 01:54:45; thestringpuller: 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck.
1293526;1444184455;asciilifeform;yes, but it is not clear to me, from here, what BingoBoingo thinks he is learning from 0.7...
1293527;1444184458;BingoBoingo;The orphanage twins were great exercise
1293528;1444184487;phf;asciilifeform: your original analysis was that std::array (or was it boost) failed to release memory when prompted. seems like can either figure out how to prompt it harder, or substitute a structure. my other guess is that refs to same transactions are kept elsewhere, so are not actually release on clear, i haven't investigated that option yet though.
1293529;1444184487;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: C-ish language is being learned, I think. If not that surely something else
1293530;1444184508;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: which is why i say to mircea_popescu, 'usg is dead when you can tell me what country to visit where cocaine is sold next to soap for a penny a pound'
1293531;1444184524;asciilifeform;phf: substantially trickier
1293532;1444184529;funkenstein_;booyeah I like that
1293533;1444184540;asciilifeform;phf: i can force it just fine. this leads to immediate segfault because all kinds of structures continue to refer to the tx.
1293534;1444184565;phf;asciilifeform: right
1293535;1444184578;asciilifeform;you will end up substituting virtually everything. which is what the phoundation folks did.
1293536;1444184580;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 0.7-ish codebase radically different from 0.5-ish. It isn't until 0.8's pretend BDB abandonment that things get alien
1293537;1444184587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, nobody sane sells drugs.
1293538;1444184595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody sane sells soda pop either
1293539;1444184599;asciilifeform;it is a barometer.
1293540;1444184605;asciilifeform;i do not actually ~need the dope personally~
1293541;1444184626;asciilifeform;it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong.
1293542;1444184648;mircea_popescu; <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ?
1293543;1444184651;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong. << USSRia hates Drugs too
1293544;1444184655;mircea_popescu;what was his getaway car, the arianne ?
1293545;1444184686;phf;asciilifeform: so you're saying a rewrite of the whole chunk is required? also do you think a careful inventory of references with cleanup of corresponding tree a doable approach?
1293546;1444184700;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what was his getaway car, the arianne ? << Chrysler PT Cruiser his girlfriend owned (yes owned, evidence)
1293547;1444184701;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: today. largely because dope (and the only dope that ever really caught on in su was meth & heroin) is seen as a popcontrol weapon of the west
1293548;1444184735;asciilifeform;phf: a rewrite of the whole thing is required. and was, from day 1. and this is where we get to the boojum - apparently nobody wants this.
1293549;1444184741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't sell cocaine either, at any rate not differently freom how it's done now, at which point you'd saysomething liek "mp is nao usg" and i'd hit you in the head with a six kg single crystal metaphetamine hammer.
1293550;1444184747;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu>  <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ? (We joked before he ran away to Chicago that he robbed the bank with a sandwich, but no. Small town bank with limited highways)
1293551;1444184756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'not sell' != 'shoot people for selling'
1293552;1444184762;mircea_popescu;depends on the people.
1293553;1444184770;mircea_popescu;as always with th eshooting.
1293554;1444184777;asciilifeform;'shoot people for being asshats' is one thing
1293555;1444184781;mircea_popescu;some people i'd shoot for crossing the street.
1293556;1444184783;asciilifeform;'war on substances' - other
1293557;1444184784;asciilifeform;aha!
1293558;1444184803;asciilifeform;'where they cut off your lips if they don't like your smile....!' (tm) (r) (disney)
1293559;1444184812;*;BingoBoingo has always like weirdo idea of selling cocaine chewing gum
1293560;1444184826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as i understand, coca is own chewing gum..
1293561;1444184832;trinque;I don't really see much difference between that one and caffeine
1293562;1444184833;funkenstein_;you can get benzocaine gum, basically the same thing
1293563;1444184841;asciilifeform;ick
1293564;1444184854;mircea_popescu;cocaine is supposed to be this rite of passage for the more fit teenaged girl,
1293565;1444184869;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But that is leaf amenable to further processing. Best lock the active into another wax for the posturing.
1293566;1444184869;mircea_popescu;elope, snort, do other things of the sort.
1293567;1444184878;trinque;it's quite popular in pdx
1293568;1444184930;phf;i heard it's a hell of a drug
1293569;1444184949;asciilifeform;thing is, dope in usg (and 'international treaties' as they presently exist are ~pure~ usgtronics) is not about dope, but about empire. if tomorrow no one wanted to snort coke, something else (can you say warez?) takes its place as excuse to feed standing army of stormtroopers
1293570;1444184980;BingoBoingo;Cocaine's great hazard is not in itself. It is in people feel cheated, violence cycle.
1293571;1444184983;funkenstein_;might be compared to the debeers empire as well
1293572;1444184990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc you wanted ppl to check and confirm.
1293573;1444185016;trinque;I think the addictive aspects of cocaine vary wildly person to person
1293574;1444185021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes
1293575;1444185052;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ fwiw, pot was A LOT more illegal in romania back when it was an "unalligned nation"
1293576;1444185058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as a start
1293577;1444185068;mircea_popescu;also pot is not quite hemp.
1293578;1444185073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ?
1293579;1444185075;funkenstein_;was this before the dupont campaign?
1293580;1444185114;asciilifeform;it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf
1293581;1444185173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform srsly, dope conventionslong predate usg.
1293582;1444185189;mircea_popescu;trinque cocaine is not addictive.
1293583;1444185197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure. usg did not build on empty space
1293584;1444185204;trinque;mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to me that it is
1293585;1444185212;trinque;always wondered wtf people meant in re: that
1293586;1444185220;asciilifeform;but the uniform prohibition on every conceivable thing that diddles neurons, ~is~ an organized usgism
1293587;1444185234;funkenstein_;stuff goes for a few bucks a gram in colombia ascii.. and considered standard fare for teenage kids by conservative parents
1293588;1444185238;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ? << literally nobody. cops had no fucking idea what it smelled like, even. i don't mean "some". i mean you couldn't find a beat cop that did.
1293589;1444185254;asciilifeform;so banned because 'wtf, deviant'
1293590;1444185257;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> was this before the dupont campaign? << specific sino-soviet relations point. 70s.
1293591;1444185305;funkenstein_;The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business
1293592;1444185307;mircea_popescu;no, banned because it negatively affects school performance.
1293593;1444185316;mircea_popescu;which it does, and which romania is still in a position to very acutely measure.
1293594;1444185361;phf;trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior
1293595;1444185361;funkenstein_;meanwhile other parties pursued a ban on colombian exports and secured the borders as well as supply lines
1293596;1444185364;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf << /me thinks great eventual colonization project would be Coyogi's
1293597;1444185397;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> trinque cocaine is not addictive. << Not even as much as nicotine
1293598;1444185414;mircea_popescu;phf sure. like, you know, vidya.
1293599;1444185426;trinque;BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs
1293600;1444185427;phf;completely
1293601;1444185428;mircea_popescu;online pron. political discussions. you name it
1293602;1444185440;trinque;I know a few chicks that have the cocaine "addiction" and they just strike me as weak
1293603;1444185443;trinque;phf: yep
1293604;1444185462;BingoBoingo;<phf> trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior << This creates Hamplanets. Exact same feedback loop, but subb McDick's
1293605;1444185466;mircea_popescu;all the "cocaine addicted" chicks i ever knew were in it principally for the cock.
1293606;1444185500;phf;oy true, it's good to have some with you at a stripclub
1293607;1444185509;mircea_popescu;secondarily for the shoes and etc. people who can afford a bowl can usually afford whatever else teen might think she wants.
1293608;1444185530;BingoBoingo;<trinque> BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs << My vague memories of cocain are it feeling good, but not "getting a blowjob" good. Basically a wash
1293609;1444185534;mircea_popescu;it does serve the role of honest signal exceedingly well.
1293610;1444185624;BingoBoingo;<funkenstein_> The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business << ANd G-13 story involves MK-Ultra
1293611;1444185757;funkenstein_;BingoBoingo, well I'm not sure about that but "scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family."
1293612;1444185781;*;BingoBoingo doubts lizards exist because more drugs would allow more potential lizards to be disqualified from their scales
1293613;1444185788;*;trinque sheds a single tear for the supreme weed of the pacnw
1293614;1444185817;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ and dja believe that ?
1293615;1444185821;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Seriously what the fuck is Dupont compared to Monsanto
1293616;1444185830;funkenstein_;I have seen reason to believe it yes
1293617;1444185841;funkenstein_;show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp
1293618;1444185843;mircea_popescu;how come the hemp industry didn't band together to destroy rayon ?
1293619;1444185857;funkenstein_;you weren't there to lead them
1293620;1444185865;mircea_popescu;i wasn't there to lead the other idiots either.
1293621;1444185881;funkenstein_;somebody pays of a sycophantic congressional body.  happens all the time.
1293622;1444185884;mircea_popescu;seems, from a purely theoretical perspective, that if the orcs beat the humans, it's likely the humans sucked in some respect.
1293623;1444185916;funkenstein_;well yeah, i'm not saying hemp businessmen did a great job
1293624;1444185920;mircea_popescu;sure pays off happens. but why did the inferior side prevail ? didn't the better industry have more money ?
1293625;1444185922;BingoBoingo;In other news Gawker Media can't feed their writers without coupons from people the "Oh,So Hate"
1293626;1444185925;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/tpi4a
1293627;1444185928;assbot;A Southern-Fried Sleepover at New York’s First Chick-Fil-A, Or How I Won a Year’s Supply of Chicken ... ( http://bit.ly/1FW2t6L )
1293628;1444185939;BingoBoingo;<funkenstein_> show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp << Soy
1293629;1444185943;funkenstein_;the industry with ties to fiat, not the better one, won at that time
1293630;1444185948;trinque;weed and other drugs were much more likely banned because the people (in the US, probably elsewhere) were ignorant and equated altered mental states with tha debil
1293631;1444185958;trinque;and if somebody took advantage of that, sure
1293632;1444185972;funkenstein_;trinque i doubt it.  nobody really cares if some people go mess up their minds
1293633;1444185979;funkenstein_;look at tv for example or alcohol
1293634;1444186014;trinque;1950s american culture was entirely opposed to weird of all kinds
1293635;1444186038;BingoBoingo;Soy won in the US because it actually grows like a weed and it estrogens bind to its proteins emasculating a dependant hog population at the expense of making them... Hammy and Planety
1293636;1444186063;BingoBoingo;Even Ayn Rand ranted about the evils of soy
1293637;1444186085;trinque;maybe she should've tried eating some to feminize herself a bit more
1293638;1444186091;trinque;that face...
1293639;1444186142;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ how did hemp not have ties ?
1293640;1444186150;mircea_popescu;shit, half the fucking thing was making ties.
1293641;1444186157;funkenstein_;good question!  it did back in the day.
1293642;1444186160;mircea_popescu;for that matter, ropemaking was THE FIRST industrial process. everywhere.
1293643;1444186167;mircea_popescu;read up on it sometime, it's quite fascinating.
1293644;1444186180;funkenstein_;Jefferson I think thought it would lead the usa to greatness
1293645;1444186208;mircea_popescu;rope factory, first factory, harbringer of industry. so it was.
1293646;1444186210;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Maybe get a time machine and kill Hamilton?
1293647;1444186224;funkenstein_;but facing guys with guns and infinite bankroll, the stuff went to hide for a while
1293648;1444186242;mircea_popescu;trinque the notion that devil ~= altered mental state is older than africa really. it's an universally recognised human truth.
1293649;1444186244;funkenstein_;don't worry it'll still be around when we figure our shit out :)
1293650;1444186248;mircea_popescu;ie, false, but false like a myth.
1293651;1444186280;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, the soy because estrogens thing has a much better conspiraci score than the dupont hemp thing.
1293652;1444186340;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ the problem you face is explaining why the guys with the lesser bankroll won.
1293653;1444186363;trinque;mircea_popescu: if one's considering rules for the masses, probably better to keep a lid on the stuff
1293654;1444186371;funkenstein_;wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll?
1293655;1444186376;mircea_popescu;yes.
1293656;1444186377;trinque;thouch certain psychedelics would make an excellent filter
1293657;1444186385;mircea_popescu;if it was the lesser industry, it had the lesser bankroll.
1293658;1444186387;funkenstein_;could be, I really don't know
1293659;1444186387;mircea_popescu;this is what lesser means.
1293660;1444186391;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--RmTnBubD--/1460904957532672291.jpg
1293661;1444186392;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdCeW4 )
1293662;1444186440;BingoBoingo;<funkenstein_> wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll? << Won on promisatory notes, not completely paid to this day
1293663;1444186478;mircea_popescu;moreover... i seem to recall some bigshot names trying and miserably failing to corner the silver market.
1293664;1444186495;mircea_popescu;so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding.
1293665;1444186500;mircea_popescu;that DIDNT work out.
1293666;1444186523;mircea_popescu;ie, the better industry won that time. obviously you can throw some away because "variance'
1293667;1444186528;mircea_popescu;but still.
1293668;1444186540;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding. << ONly happened how many times in actual BTC governance?
1293669;1444186564;mircea_popescu;eh, they can count it later.
1293670;1444186583;mircea_popescu;in other news, do you know where your girlfriend is ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/62d6ff1af0a27d669fb1ee40459a3b37/tumblr_nox7k8dSJw1uo56n1o1_1280.jpg
1293671;1444186584;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FW3zPY )
1293672;1444186663;BingoBoingo;More pronounced widow's peak and smaller tits, then I might confuse that for a girl I liked in High School
1293673;1444186725;gabriel_laddel;I love how *everyone* either missed or ignored where ascii was taking the "cocaine sales practice as a measure of USG power, whatever its form" thread.
1293674;1444186743;gabriel_laddel;which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so
1293675;1444186763;gabriel_laddel;...
1293676;1444186767;gabriel_laddel;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-09-2015#1283115
1293677;1444186767;assbot;Logged on 23-09-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty.
1293678;1444186911;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so << I dare you to deliver to me a Compact pickup truck in the United States less than 3 years old. The problems are known.
1293679;1444186950;gabriel_laddel;Pardon?
1293680;1444186968;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: context was a thread re: organic chem
1293681;1444186973;asciilifeform;and the price of pharma
1293682;1444186991;BingoBoingo;Ah, THought a more general price of anything.
1293683;1444187125;BingoBoingo;I reverted to considering the "chicken tax" where a foreign made Ford Ranger of year old vintage would cost more to sell in USIA than an F-250 Super Duty with the OMGWTFBBQKINGRANCHDRESSING package, because arbitrarity.
1293684;1444187241;gabriel_laddel;I wish the black market folk would get their shit together, start buying spectroscopy equipment and setup "trap houses" where you can go verify the pharma you buy is what you think you're buying.
1293685;1444187252;gabriel_laddel;and by pharma, I don't mean dope
1293686;1444187282;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: and when you get sc4mz0r3d, take wrong pill, croak, does your ghost negrate the test house ?
1293687;1444187284;mircea_popescu;so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ?
1293688;1444187285;asciilifeform;or how does it work
1293689;1444187303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thread was about commercial organic chem
1293690;1444187322;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? << Violently
1293691;1444187328;mircea_popescu;you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ?
1293692;1444187329;BingoBoingo;!up bitcoinbrains_
1293693;1444187339;mircea_popescu;organic chemistry, unlike $20k, is not finite.
1293694;1444187352;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ? << Declare, yes. Not blow yourself up with, no.
1293695;1444187357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose i ought to clarify where i learned the figure and how.
1293696;1444187359;mircea_popescu;so what sort of alf's Hilbert Hotel is this.
1293697;1444187360;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds"
1293698;1444187372;gabriel_laddel;the current issue is the people involved with the black market
1293699;1444187373;gabriel_laddel;they suck
1293700;1444187377;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds" << Not at all
1293701;1444187400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a db from u.s. national cancer institute of a few million plausibly-synthesizable compounds, largely of unknown effect (never organizedly fed to any living thing)
1293702;1444187410;mircea_popescu;aha.
1293703;1444187427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ran models, churning through astonishing qty of cpu cycle, and sent off db entries to orc lands for synthesis
1293704;1444187430;mircea_popescu;no, i know the thing, and ftr a number like that has been thrown around pretty much ever since the major synth advances of the 80s
1293705;1444187432;asciilifeform;they would come back in crated vials.
1293706;1444187459;asciilifeform;which would then be tested on cell culture; followed by rodents
1293707;1444187473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0004932 = 4.8334 BTC [+]
1293708;1444187474;asciilifeform;(and the occasional lab gurl with holes in gloves...)
1293709;1444187481;gabriel_laddel;lol
1293710;1444187482;asciilifeform;!s glove girl
1293711;1444187483;assbot;0 results for 'glove girl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glove+girl
1293712;1444187486;asciilifeform;hm
1293713;1444187492;mircea_popescu;did you mean love irl ?
1293714;1444187501;asciilifeform;bawat
1293715;1444187515;mircea_popescu;g-love g-irl!
1293716;1444187541;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2013#378367 << thread.
1293717;1444187541;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2013 14:21:38; asciilifeform: lab girl had round-the-clock headaches for six months. went to every conceivable doctor, brain scans, the whole shebang.
1293718;1444187642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at any rate, 'plausible synthesis' has a rough meaning. ask PeterL perhaps to explain in detail. but yes, synthetic vitamin B was a nobel. beyond a certain point of complexity, one tries to harness living things to crap out the goods
1293719;1444187661;asciilifeform;rather than ab initio
1293720;1444187694;phf;hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
1293721;1444187696;gabriel_laddel;A tangentially related lol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922449
1293722;1444187696;assbot;Logged on 14-11-2014 23:13:51; asciilifeform: she demanded to be 'let alone with it'
1293723;1444187724;asciilifeform;wai wut
1293724;1444187725;asciilifeform;related how
1293725;1444187742;gabriel_laddel;girls in labs
1293726;1444187754;asciilifeform;plenty of folks have tales involving these
1293727;1444187788;gabriel_laddel;speaking of which, do you know how Al burned off "half his skin"?
1293728;1444187790;asciilifeform;most of them end in 'and she went to med school'
1293729;1444187810;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: he explained it to me, yes
1293730;1444187816;gabriel_laddel;http://www.humournet.com/misc.humour/hooked_on_diff_eqs.txt
1293731;1444187817;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdDMiZ )
1293732;1444187839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73881 @ 0.00048865 = 36.102 BTC [-] {4} 
1293733;1444187900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73244 @ 0.00048489 = 35.5153 BTC [-] {2} 
1293734;1444187972;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293507 << BingoBoingo really must show up to next conf. because i picture him as a character straight from mark twain
1293735;1444187972;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 02:13:54; BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
1293736;1444188042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am not particularly impressive in the flesh. I am a super featherweight trapped in a super welterweight's 5'7" body
1293737;1444188057;asciilifeform;not in this sense
1293738;1444188085;BingoBoingo;Ah
1293739;1444188100;BingoBoingo;Culturally then
1293740;1444188104;asciilifeform;aha
1293741;1444188114;funkenstein_;gabriel_laddel, hooked on diff-eq-ics!  great stuff.
1293742;1444188122;BingoBoingo;Because as I keep trying to tell trinque Missouri is far more texas than Texas is
1293743;1444188133;trinque;I dun believe
1293744;1444188141;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and this is something like the size & shape of avg. american folk from twain's time, even.
1293745;1444188145;BingoBoingo;And far southern Illinois is more Ozark than Missouri
1293746;1444188159;trinque;the apartment I just looked into, my dick ripped my pants
1293747;1444188168;trinque;and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
1293748;1444188203;asciilifeform;but they also had elektron microscope ?
1293749;1444188215;asciilifeform;with vaginal controls ?
1293750;1444188217;asciilifeform;or what
1293751;1444188219;BingoBoingo;trinque: I am trying to become sufficiently unpoor to get a 20-15 year old compact pickup. I filed that into the long term goal category.
1293752;1444188237;funkenstein_;for those interested in number puzzles, this "sloane's gap" one is to me a real puzzler
1293753;1444188241;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ?
1293754;1444188256;gabriel_laddel;trinque: settling in nicely?
1293755;1444188256;trinque;asciilifeform: I'm sure some do at work
1293756;1444188265;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I am, staying with family while I evaluate where to live
1293757;1444188275;asciilifeform;so what did trinque see
1293758;1444188301;gabriel_laddel;my guess: price-point
1293759;1444188310;trinque;http://www.onelakesedge.com/
1293760;1444188311;assbot;One Lakes Edge | The Woodlands, TX Apartments ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdEuN5 )
1293761;1444188331;trinque;about 1550-1800 for a really nice place for a single guy
1293762;1444188354;asciilifeform;but it's a flat
1293763;1444188382;asciilifeform;where you gonna put the lathe
1293764;1444188400;trinque;hang out there for a couple years then I'm buying a house
1293765;1444188410;trinque;or wherever, haven't decided yet
1293766;1444188468;asciilifeform;imho 'posh flat' is really 'worst of both worlds' - but that's just me.
1293767;1444188493;trinque;most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
1293768;1444188518;asciilifeform;then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
1293769;1444188615;trinque;might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh?
1293770;1444188650;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? << They are. But also fuel efficent.
1293771;1444188686;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: have you ever thought about taking a cruise down to SA?
1293772;1444188710;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Walk, yes. Cruise, too much for budget given constraints.
1293773;1444188715;asciilifeform;will need pontoons, on that truck..
1293774;1444188747;*;asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard
1293775;1444188765;asciilifeform;mordor-ba
1293776;1444188772;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: ah, but notice BingoBoingo's problem isn't the cash for the ticket
1293777;1444188776;asciilifeform;aha
1293778;1444188777;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> will need pontoons, on that truck.. << Or truck with Darien capable history.
1293779;1444188810;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard << Scrapyard frequently has servicable trucks for travel
1293780;1444188828;phf;apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
1293781;1444188842;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs?
1293782;1444188847;BingoBoingo;<trinque> might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh? << In Murica dangerous not to
1293783;1444188862;asciilifeform;phf: i tried the 'hackerspace' thing, at its best it was an ick
1293784;1444188873;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? << Not just any old gangs, specific kinds
1293785;1444188879;trinque;the puritanical thing and the soviet thing are so similar
1293786;1444188917;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: right. So sail around.
1293787;1444188931;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: and write a Qntra article about walking off the reserve.
1293788;1444188956;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: I drink too much to boat and sail sleeping
1293789;1444188993;gabriel_laddel;oh my fuck you're missing my point.
1293790;1444189005;*;trinque wonders who doesn't drink boating
1293791;1444189008;BingoBoingo;what point
1293792;1444189011;BingoBoingo;?
1293793;1444189012;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/@8.155203,-77.6980472,15579m/data=!3m1!1e3 << astonishingly abysmal res
1293794;1444189012;assbot;Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1jcnccw )
1293795;1444189020;trinque;I thought the point was to go fast ripped
1293796;1444189195;BingoBoingo;So, lets address some points about my current situation: 1) Hai FBI I noticed your Negro in the Lexus driving the street in front of my house three times today that I will admit to catching.
1293797;1444189252;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: take pics of that?
1293798;1444189271;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: No, just scowled.
1293799;1444189274;gabriel_laddel;aww
1293800;1444189290;BingoBoingo;Derping to take a picture doesn't look tough.
1293801;1444189298;gabriel_laddel;Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics.
1293802;1444189344;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: anyways, let me spell this out for you - it'd be really cool to take a cuise down to BA, get coffee with MP and cruise back right?
1293803;1444189365;gabriel_laddel;it would also be cool to fly in and do the same, but you can't b/c the court
1293804;1444189368;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics. << Doesn't need to go far. My street has no black residents. My street is a blind loop. One pass could be a common criminal. Multiple people is Law Enforcement.
1293805;1444189400;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude
1293806;1444189406;BingoBoingo;Cruise is expensive, you pay transit + living expenses for duration. BTC is too underpriced for that
1293807;1444189413;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what'd be the point?
1293808;1444189426;asciilifeform;i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
1293809;1444189429;asciilifeform;what's it to you.
1293810;1444189436;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude << You don't need an image to recognize broke ass USG Denzel Washington wannabe
1293811;1444189445;gabriel_laddel;...
1293812;1444189465;gabriel_laddel;COMPUTERS DUDE
1293813;1444189475;trinque;!b 3
1293814;1444189475;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MSCJQN.txt )
1293815;1444189507;asciilifeform;i mean, it is one thing if they break the door with demolition charges, drag you out in your nighties, and take you to 'the farm' where you can sit in the coke machine and cough out private key bits for 20 yrs.
1293816;1444189515;asciilifeform;but driving menacingly past your house ?
1293817;1444189517;asciilifeform;why bother ?
1293818;1444189522;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what's it to you. << My street is tar and macadam, that would tear it up. Literally one input goes to the county fairgrounds racetrack pit and my street. The other goes to my street.
1293819;1444189556;trinque;this is where gossipd deniable statement mode would be great
1293820;1444189557;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
1293821;1444189591;gabriel_laddel;trinque: why?
1293822;1444189592;asciilifeform;fwiw i routinely have 3-4 white vans parked outside. snore.
1293823;1444189604;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but driving menacingly past your house ? << Why does local probationary cop live in the Murder duplex across from my present residence? either ignorance or malice
1293824;1444189618;asciilifeform;wat's a murder-duplex
1293825;1444189619;asciilifeform;?
1293826;1444189628;*;asciilifeform unfamiliar with term
1293827;1444189631;trinque;gabriel_laddel: cause maybe he doesn't want to say what got them interested
1293828;1444189671;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter
1293829;1444189698;phf;asciilifeform: i think main use case for a hackerspace is place to deploy own oversized equipment, but have the location subsidized by "makers". most i've been to would go through the typical list of "3d printers", eventually followed by "and here's a cnc laser cutter etc. that you can only use if you ask such and such nicely and make he'll let you under his supervision"
1293830;1444189707;gabriel_laddel;trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc.
1293831;1444189714;asciilifeform;phf: aha, we had this.
1293832;1444189726;asciilifeform;phf: everything was either entirely dead or half-worked
1293833;1444189732;BingoBoingo;Everyone working public safety professions in town knows that happened there. Yet cop is cheap enough to rent there?
1293834;1444189734;asciilifeform;was in decrepit ancient church, even
1293835;1444189739;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I have a photo of the agent's card, actually
1293836;1444189742;phf;oh, right hacdc
1293837;1444189745;asciilifeform;aha
1293838;1444189755;asciilifeform;it is still there. i haven't visited in years.
1293839;1444189762;asciilifeform;last i heard, they were doing balloons
1293840;1444189772;asciilifeform;(of the stratospheric variety)
1293841;1444189797;phf;last i was there the big project was public wifi for the neighborhood
1293842;1444189805;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. << I have disorderly conduct misdemeanor pending in neighboring county. Fed visit is on pre-qntra blawg
1293843;1444189819;asciilifeform;i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer.
1293844;1444189821;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: anyways, you should really take a cruise
1293845;1444189827;gabriel_laddel;BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent
1293846;1444189830;gabriel_laddel;post em here
1293847;1444189837;*;BingoBoingo hates boats unless bass fishing
1293848;1444189842;phf;i'm moving to dc again, so will pay them a visit
1293849;1444189885;BingoBoingo;<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent << The Treasury department's agent's name was Broachwala or some shit. Dot Indian. FBI refused to leave card, but ginger presumably Irish asshole/
1293850;1444189920;*;trinque pours out a little beer for BingoBoingo's troubles... into his mouth.
1293851;1444189933;BingoBoingo;Both came out of the fucking Peoria field office, like fuck. St Louis is right fucking there.
1293852;1444190059;*;BingoBoingo feels this persecution makes qntra perfect match for my anger
1293853;1444190134;*;BingoBoingo also seriously though FBI office in Peoria was just there for the occasional drug bust and making sure the Israelies don't manage to steal all of Catepilar's tractors in one go
1293854;1444190278;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer. << Jehova's witnesses come here still, but known local.
1293855;1444190425;BingoBoingo;It has been a long while since home has been hasseled though, and the fucking same black person driving my street several times in the same day is as suspicious as fuck.
1293856;1444190480;phf;you should try buying some weed from him
1293857;1444190484;BingoBoingo;It's like that CIA/KGB joke: "American asks how do you keep catching our spies. KGB answers stop sending niggers."
1293858;1444190558;BingoBoingo;<phf> you should try buying some weed from him << Nah, I'll put eye holes in a pillowcase and keep it in my back pocket.
1293859;1444190613;BingoBoingo;I got enough tape of local pols saying racist things to make a Preet believe I was a footsoldier in THEIR conspiracy of hatred
1293860;1444190750;BingoBoingo;Feds read this channel so not like they weren't warned, though they might be miffed at my idea of local and other things...
1293861;1444190889;phf;stand up and be counted show the world that you're a man
1293862;1444190892;BingoBoingo;Mebbe I got people in the US house? Maybe I got people in the Illinois house... Maybe I got people in the US Senate, Maybe I got people in the Illinois senate.
1293863;1444190941;BingoBoingo;phf: A man does agress with other people's words. USG does that. Ethics demands you only defend with that.
1293864;1444191059;BingoBoingo;I have to imagine other USian residents here have similar stashes.
1293865;1444191098;BingoBoingo;https://slimgr.com/image/Rlo
1293866;1444191100;assbot;Image - SLiMGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvBQ3i )
1293867;1444191130;BingoBoingo;You don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest derp.
1293868;1444191242;phf;man, i should learn by now not to click on your slimgr links
1293869;1444191280;BingoBoingo;phf: Not all of them are so bad, but yeah... Dat Beetus gangrene
1293870;1444191450;BingoBoingo;But seriously, the point of all of my drunk ramblings tonight ought to be learned early on the playground well before adulthood. If you know you are being harassed, keep evidence. Make the harasser's friends look like idiots by pretending to be their friend, and keep multiple copies of the evidence spread around in both probable and improbable places. Skipping some more probably places.
1293871;1444191781;phf;in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck
1293872;1444191845;gabriel_laddel;phf: sorta like the chinese system?
1293873;1444191960;BingoBoingo;<phf> in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck << I figure why call? Make arrest as expensive as possible.
1293874;1444191970;phf;i remember reading about chinese equivalent and noticing many similarities. they have a cool word for it, but i can't recall it
1293875;1444192079;BingoBoingo;https://slimgr.com/images/2015/10/06/02154c70e607d083883b4609b2e9b6da.jpg << No Gangrene pictures
1293876;1444192082;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvCu0Z )
1293877;1444192257;phf;guanxi
1293878;1444192519;gabriel_laddel;phf: you're an old lisp hand right?
1293879;1444192527;gabriel_laddel;phf: have you used CLIM?
1293880;1444192536;phf;known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
1293881;1444192537;assbot;Blat (favors). - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSNH0P )
1293882;1444192597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048909 = 4.4018 BTC [+]
1293883;1444192624;phf;gabriel_laddel: probably not enough to be useful, i played with it but ultimately switched to lispwork's capi for projects
1293884;1444192766;BingoBoingo;phf: This is why I love bars. People have no idea if they know you or not and will talk as if old friends. This isn't favors. This is a nuclear option.
1293885;1444192940;BingoBoingo;Also impossible to make a case in a just system for extortion as no one has been threatened afore. In the worst case, if things work right hard to make a case that there was any connection between events at all.
1293886;1444193024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.0004932 = 12.6999 BTC [+]
1293887;1444193145;BingoBoingo;https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-morbidly-obese-patient-tests-the-limits-of-a-doctors-compassion/2014/02/24/faf80438-7df9-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html << "�Don�t put him in a room right over the ER,� whispers the unit secretary to the admission clerk. �The floor won�t support him. He�ll come crashing through and kill us all.�"
1293888;1444193147;assbot;A morbidly obese patient tests the limits of a doctor’s compassion - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvDcv5 )
1293889;1444193191;BingoBoingo;"he seems to find succor in knowing that there�s no comment so cutting that it can�t be soothed by the balm of 8,000 calories per day."
1293890;1444193235;BingoBoingo;"Though I have no way of knowing it, within a few months a crane will hoist the patient�s body through a hole cut in the side of his house, a hole that allowed EMS personnel to lower the body onto their new ultra-wide, ultra-sturdy gurney."
1293891;1444193506;punkman;BingoBoingo: do funeral homes charge extra for hamplanets?
1293892;1444193532;BingoBoingo;Yes
1293893;1444193688;punkman;"We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All  we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard  X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
1293894;1444193694;punkman;lol
1293895;1444193770;BingoBoingo;Surprisingly common now. When I was going into college dad suggested I do somthing medical with a geriatrics speciality. How he never new when I said no that Bariatrics would be so trendy.
1293896;1444194315;phf;BingoBoingo: so apparently those masks could get a lot more elaborate then just a pillowcase with eye holes, http://imgur.com/r/creepy/xdNRHH3
1293897;1444194316;assbot;1876 Ku Klux Klan Mask - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvE1nz )
1293898;1444194380;punkman;not bad
1293899;1444194402;BingoBoingo;phf: But if you get that elaborate it looks like you care about their otherness. Far easier to get a ghostbusters pillocase and start with that for the alibi.
1293900;1444194502;punkman;BingoBoingo: elaborate is also identifying, which I guess might be a problem if you wanna by anonymous
1293901;1444194512;punkman;*be
1293902;1444194563;BingoBoingo;;;google ghostbusters pillcase
1293903;1444194563;gribble;8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Trading Faces - Ghostbusters Wiki - Wikia: <http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Trading_Faces>; Stash Bag Pillow Case - ThisIsWhyImBroke.com: <http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/stash-bag-pillow-case>
1293904;1444194578;BingoBoingo;;;google ghostbusters pillowcase
1293905;1444194579;gribble;8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/2013/03/01/8-ways-to-do-ghostbusters-3-correctly/>; Shawn Mendes Selfie Magcon Boys Pillow Case - Wanelo: <https://wanelo.com/p/33812687/shawn-mendes-selfie-magcon-boys-pillow-case>; Win tickets to FreakNight 2015 | Consequence of Sound: <http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/09/win-tickets-to-freaknight-2015/>
1293906;1444195099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28062 @ 0.00048899 = 13.722 BTC [-] {2} 
1293907;1444195831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00049521 = 16.0448 BTC [+] {2} 
1293908;1444196133;punkman;http://www.pigdog.org/auto/software_jihad/link/3138.html
1293909;1444196134;assbot;Pigdog Journal (Software Jihad) -- Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1McXorU )
1293910;1444196141;punkman;what's next, they finish php6?
1293911;1444196807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00049636 = 13.6003 BTC [+] {3} 
1293912;1444197068;punkman;"Windows 10: Off to the Hottest Start in History" "In just a few short months, it’s been incredible to see more than 110 million devices already running Windows 10."
1293913;1444197074;punkman;impressive botnet indeed
1293914;1444197314;punkman;http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/01/skywest-inc-chooses-surface-and-windows-10-over-ipad-for-7500-pilots/
1293915;1444197316;assbot;SkyWest, Inc. chooses Surface and Windows 10 over iPad for 7,500 pilots | Microsoft Devices Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1McZVSU )
1293916;1444197835;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.04040825 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/#b24
1293917;1444198027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30345 @ 0.00049636 = 15.062 BTC [+]
1293918;1444200894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37549 @ 0.00048901 = 18.3618 BTC [-] {3} 
1293919;1444201016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.0004942 = 7.2153 BTC [+]
1293920;1444201443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54195 @ 0.00049662 = 26.9143 BTC [+] {3} 
1293921;1444201504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14768 @ 0.00049743 = 7.346 BTC [+]
1293922;1444203456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00048859 = 9.5275 BTC [-]
1293923;1444203460;punkman;http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1444191449
1293924;1444203462;assbot;Gamers, Geeks on Epic Quest for Internet Freedom ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZerf0 )
1293925;1444203480;punkman;http://www.khaosodenglish.com/upload/files/1444192000_kalaland03.jpg "Citizens Against Single Gateway  first struck 30 Sept. when more than 100,000 people loaded and reloaded  six major government websites until their servers were paralyzed."
1293926;1444203483;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZet6w )
1293927;1444203677;punkman;why didn't the thai gov install some hardware in all the ISPs without making a fuss?
1293928;1444204157;punkman;https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt
1293929;1444204159;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZfag0 )
1293930;1444204286;punkman;https://www.propublica.org/article/verizons-zombie-cookie-gets-new-life
1293931;1444204288;assbot;Verizon’s Zombie Cookie Gets New Life - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZfnju )
1293932;1444205225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00049102 = 12.2018 BTC [+]
1293933;1444206079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3672 @ 0.00049743 = 1.8266 BTC [+]
1293934;1444206140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00048886 = 9.215 BTC [-] {2} 
1293935;1444209279;BingoBoingo;<punkman> https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt << Big thread on OpenBSD-misc mailing list. Only consensus is mitigated outside the daemon on OpenBSD, gentoo maintainers port it wrong, and at least it isn't sendmail
1293936;1444209280;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZfag0 )
1293937;1444210776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00049232 = 12.6034 BTC [+]
1293938;1444211164;gabriel_laddel;I got flexi-trivial-dired to sorta work!
1293939;1444211179;gabriel_laddel;(a CLIM dired implementation)
1293940;1444211207;gabriel_laddel;last piece in the complete CLIM desktop experience
1293941;1444211705;punkman;gabriel_laddel: is there a mirror of mcclim.cliki.net?
1293942;1444211775;gabriel_laddel;punkman: not that I'm aware of
1293943;1444211802;gabriel_laddel;punkman: what are you looking for? I'm pretty familiar with the current state of the docs.
1293944;1444211838;punkman;I've looked at cliki entries for clim/mcclim and it's mostly broken links
1293945;1444211869;gabriel_laddel;punkman: https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM
1293946;1444211870;assbot;robert-strandh/McCLIM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmeXaC )
1293947;1444211874;gabriel_laddel;^ canonical repo
1293948;1444214741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00049237 = 5.7666 BTC [+]
1293949;1444215438;shinohai;!s https://redd.it/3nt7qz
1293950;1444215440;assbot;History of Monero [XMR] development in 2.5 minutes with music - gource visualisation : CryptoCurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1OXGuPP )
1293951;1444215441;assbot;0 results for 'https://redd.it/3nt7qz' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fredd.it%2F3nt7qz
1293952;1444216754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00049419 = 20.3359 BTC [+]
1293953;1444217425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7366 @ 0.00049586 = 3.6525 BTC [+]
1293954;1444221207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00049674 = 25.9298 BTC [+] {2} 
1293955;1444224337;mircea_popescu;hhhhola
1293956;1444224381;mircea_popescu;and in other san francisco news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/aa9cc27e8bf2903cf218434a2110265d/tumblr_nor72xxgPO1skcp7po1_1280.jpg
1293957;1444224381;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1JSnOsO )
1293958;1444224384;asciilifeform;buenos dias se�or popescu
1293959;1444224412;asciilifeform;woah, that parking !
1293960;1444224422;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293719 << quite.
1293961;1444224422;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:21; asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
1293962;1444224438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you wanna hear the cherry  ?
1293963;1444224444;asciilifeform;aha?
1293964;1444224450;mircea_popescu;it gets WINDY. parking on a 30% incline with 50mph winds.
1293965;1444224471;asciilifeform;i bet 'hummers' turn over like dominoes
1293966;1444224477;mircea_popescu;i dun think they even go there
1293967;1444224480;asciilifeform;(or at least threaten to)
1293968;1444224511;asciilifeform;the lot at my mechanic's shop is like this.
1293969;1444224529;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the street has yet to be invented in romaniawhere all the cars are parked within the same two inches from the sidewalk.
1293970;1444224535;asciilifeform;(a fella from buenos aires, lulzily)
1293971;1444224537;mircea_popescu;it's more like a foot
1293972;1444224561;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd trust a ba mechanic. cook. dentist. plastic surgeon.
1293973;1444224585;mircea_popescu;just... god help the army led by an argentine general ; or the country led by an argentine president etc. it'd do about as bad as the usarmy/usa.
1293974;1444224605;gabriel_laddel;why the dentist & plastic surgeon?
1293975;1444224632;mircea_popescu;contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines.
1293976;1444224738;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293720 << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids.
1293977;1444224738;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
1293978;1444224790;asciilifeform;meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot.
1293979;1444224796;asciilifeform;mainly on account of the models being shit.
1293980;1444224819;mircea_popescu;all models start out as shit.
1293981;1444224819;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: the models being shit is because of the von-n bottleneck, no?
1293982;1444224824;mircea_popescu;all people, too.
1293983;1444224828;mircea_popescu;neah.
1293984;1444224829;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: nope
1293985;1444224835;gabriel_laddel;!?
1293986;1444224839;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it is actually because we do not have good models.
1293987;1444224856;mircea_popescu;the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences"
1293988;1444224860;asciilifeform;aha.
1293989;1444224865;gabriel_laddel;could you elaborate or point me to some lit?
1293990;1444224870;mircea_popescu;you think linux is in bad shape, that just means you don't know enough math.
1293991;1444224935;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: andrew leach, 'molecular modelling principles'
1293992;1444224938;asciilifeform;for starters.
1293993;1444224947;mircea_popescu;dude this guy has read everything
1293994;1444224956;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with you!
1293995;1444224957;asciilifeform;or hinchliffe's 'molecular mod. for beginnerz'
1293996;1444224972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i used to eat with this.
1293997;1444224984;mircea_popescu;what did you eat, glacial toluene ?
1293998;1444224993;asciilifeform;with modelling, i meant.
1293999;1444225015;mircea_popescu;anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless.
1294000;1444225023;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.molboxllc.com/services.html << photoz from my past life
1294001;1444225024;assbot;MolBox LLC ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWNedM )
1294002;1444225048;mircea_popescu;oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me
1294003;1444225061;asciilifeform;well i personally never smelled the mice
1294004;1444225072;asciilifeform;and i worked at two separate 'pharms', separated by some years
1294005;1444225074;asciilifeform;but overall, yes
1294006;1444225076;mircea_popescu;aha
1294007;1444225094;*;mircea_popescu has never been involved in the field, some minor amateur interest, and the math.
1294008;1444225104;*;asciilifeform did a long tour of duty in empirical lab bio at u.s. nih while a schoolboy
1294009;1444225292;*;mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem."
1294010;1444225294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00049743 = 26.1648 BTC [+]
1294011;1444225319;asciilifeform;aha
1294012;1444225355;gabriel_laddel;by vmath you mean PGP based academics?
1294013;1444225362;mircea_popescu;i mean v-powered math.
1294014;1444225373;mircea_popescu;it's in teh logs.
1294015;1444225378;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: consider russel&whitehead's thing. but done right.
1294016;1444225397;mircea_popescu;right for a definition of right that didn't even exist pre 2015.
1294017;1444225403;mircea_popescu;o wait im sorry
1294018;1444225407;mircea_popescu;THAT WAS NOT EVEN FORMULABLE.
1294019;1444225424;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT.
1294020;1444225427;mircea_popescu;dat v-ariety speak.
1294021;1444225433;gabriel_laddel;lel
1294022;1444225437;asciilifeform;ehe, stole fire from ze godz. now go light someone.
1294023;1444225446;asciilifeform;see also:
1294024;1444225452;asciilifeform;!s mumath
1294025;1444225453;assbot;0 results for 'mumath' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mumath
1294026;1444225455;asciilifeform;hm
1294027;1444225457;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured.
1294028;1444225458;asciilifeform;!s derive.exe
1294029;1444225459;assbot;9 results for 'derive.exe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=derive.exe
1294030;1444225462;asciilifeform;^
1294031;1444225469;mircea_popescu;currently it could be fair to say we have a large lump of peat bog math.
1294032;1444225474;mircea_popescu;it's not even anthracite
1294033;1444225494;mircea_popescu;it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the  walls of the world.
1294034;1444225526;mircea_popescu;so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat.
1294035;1444225545;mircea_popescu;it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems.
1294036;1444225566;mircea_popescu;once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example,
1294037;1444225576;asciilifeform;the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized.
1294038;1444225577;mircea_popescu;ALL SORTS of previously inapproachable problems became mechanically solvable.
1294039;1444225584;mircea_popescu;exactly asciilifeform
1294040;1444225592;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: hence derive.
1294041;1444225593;gabriel_laddel;gotcha
1294042;1444225603;mircea_popescu;the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic.
1294043;1444225603;asciilifeform;even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this
1294044;1444225622;asciilifeform;and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions
1294045;1444225643;asciilifeform;(he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known)
1294046;1444225663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter.
1294047;1444225672;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with moving there!
1294048;1444225687;asciilifeform;they make ya work a full shift in el dorado
1294049;1444225689;asciilifeform;apparently.
1294050;1444225694;mircea_popescu;yaimsurethey do.
1294051;1444225699;mircea_popescu;"make" and "work".
1294052;1444225724;asciilifeform;aha.
1294053;1444225740;asciilifeform;macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no.
1294054;1444225749;asciilifeform;*brezhnevabama
1294055;1444225750;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1294056;1444225771;asciilifeform;but they happen. and not in private industry, either, except on embezzled time
1294057;1444225787;asciilifeform;not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense.
1294058;1444225837;mircea_popescu;i'd say the jury's still out on this one.,
1294059;1444225843;mircea_popescu;let's move it to literature.
1294060;1444225862;mircea_popescu;some writers write poorly under stress (orwell) ; somee other writers only wrote because hungry and hounded (balzac)
1294061;1444225881;mircea_popescu;to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one.
1294062;1444225904;mircea_popescu;taking advantage of sociocultural shifts that made such masquerade feasible.
1294063;1444225916;asciilifeform;this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
1294064;1444225923;asciilifeform;exploratory - does not.
1294065;1444225945;asciilifeform;exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time.
1294066;1444225949;mircea_popescu;exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows.
1294067;1444225954;asciilifeform;(because you do not know in advance what is a waste)
1294068;1444225966;mircea_popescu;the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability.
1294069;1444225984;mircea_popescu;also, three ring binder management is not a good representative of management.
1294070;1444226014;asciilifeform;granted, on some planet these are separable.
1294071;1444226018;asciilifeform;i'd like to go there one day.
1294072;1444226018;mircea_popescu;also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl.
1294073;1444226048;asciilifeform;which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind.
1294074;1444226100;mircea_popescu;internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space.
1294075;1444226139;asciilifeform;it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths
1294076;1444226141;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill.
1294077;1444226157;mircea_popescu;it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts.
1294078;1444226162;asciilifeform;is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ?
1294079;1444226169;asciilifeform;in a way - yes!
1294080;1444226173;mircea_popescu;(from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me  down with it! and may i never recover!" series)
1294081;1444226183;asciilifeform;l0lz
1294082;1444226263;asciilifeform;'http://www.twitter.com/Tweet_a_bad_word_about_an_american_corporation_and_most_of_your_tweets_get_hidden_from_view' << from server log spam
1294083;1444226316;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off".
1294084;1444226321;mircea_popescu;sometime in 2013 maybe.
1294085;1444226349;*;asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of the thing, has been mostly ignoring it since day 1
1294086;1444226384;gabriel_laddel;what is a stream
1294087;1444226390;gabriel_laddel;^ web2.0
1294088;1444226438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you familiar with kink high right ?
1294089;1444226449;asciilifeform;aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract.
1294090;1444226468;mircea_popescu;same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool.
1294091;1444226493;mircea_popescu;wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd.
1294092;1444226528;asciilifeform;aha
1294093;1444226537;asciilifeform;the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it.
1294094;1444226581;mircea_popescu;There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial,  logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential  transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for  methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and  cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of  Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series  expansion modalities.
1294095;1444226581;mircea_popescu;"Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple  concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys,
1294096;1444226582;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1294097;1444226599;asciilifeform;good ol' uncle al
1294098;1444226613;asciilifeform;he eventually answered my mail, did i ever say. promised to dig out pgp key.
1294099;1444226631;asciilifeform;al is almost a tree, operates in nearly geological time.
1294100;1444226645;asciilifeform;perhaps by winter's end i will hear from him again, with a pgp sig
1294101;1444226660;mircea_popescu;The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie  Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with  prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings  asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment  again! This life can be your own!
1294102;1444226663;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha o god.
1294103;1444226673;mircea_popescu;oh which reminds me
1294104;1444226707;mircea_popescu;yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme.
1294105;1444226721;mircea_popescu;and also get a blog damn.
1294106;1444226751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as you perhaps intuited, mp's private island is really populated by pirates and harlots.
1294107;1444226760;asciilifeform;how else
1294108;1444226761;mircea_popescu;plus some confiscated spanish cannon.
1294109;1444226767;asciilifeform;what's the point of island without these !
1294110;1444226784;mircea_popescu;ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me.
1294111;1444226805;asciilifeform;from my readings, most of them just wanted out.
1294112;1444226814;asciilifeform;like any prisoner
1294113;1444226817;mircea_popescu;yeah. because moo-wants mattter now.
1294114;1444226843;asciilifeform;well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled
1294115;1444226856;mircea_popescu;we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too!
1294116;1444226859;mircea_popescu;such logic.
1294117;1444226880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27813 @ 0.00049743 = 13.835 BTC [+]
1294118;1444227063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10362 @ 0.00049451 = 5.1241 BTC [-]
1294119;1444227102;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293747 << didja pull a "i'm taking it. you two can stay."
1294120;1444227102;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
1294121;1444227131;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293914 << fly moar winblowz-air !!1
1294122;1444227131;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 05:55:14; punkman: http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/01/skywest-inc-chooses-surface-and-windows-10-over-ipad-for-7500-pilots/
1294123;1444227165;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name.
1294124;1444227165;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
1294125;1444227195;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293768 << omfg playing civ with opl!
1294126;1444227195;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
1294127;1444227203;asciilifeform;can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners
1294128;1444227245;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's wrong with opl ?
1294129;1444227262;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293780 << unless one is actually building a fortress, it is a better plan to keep distriburted, redundant, cheap to set up living and work spaces.
1294130;1444227262;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
1294131;1444227302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish.
1294132;1444227308;mircea_popescu;the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor.
1294133;1444227330;asciilifeform;that's just another kind of 'rich' - rich in people.
1294134;1444227368;mircea_popescu;the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye"
1294135;1444227404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D
1294136;1444227421;asciilifeform;gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap
1294137;1444227426;mircea_popescu;sop.
1294138;1444227497;asciilifeform;at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing.
1294139;1444227559;asciilifeform;(the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened
1294140;1444227561;asciilifeform;)
1294141;1444227584;asciilifeform;travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing
1294142;1444227595;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293808 << you never stood next to tanks moving hqave you.
1294143;1444227595;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:43:46; asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
1294144;1444227602;mircea_popescu;i'd rather be charged by angry goats.
1294145;1444227614;gabriel_laddel;Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere.
1294146;1444227636;gabriel_laddel;if they'd just get out of the way, it would be a lot of fun.
1294147;1444227656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. << explain ?
1294148;1444227657;gabriel_laddel;e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF
1294149;1444227658;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated
1294150;1444227704;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsI27lrFWis
1294151;1444227704;assbot;Rick & Morty: bureaucrats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtKndv )
1294152;1444227704;mircea_popescu;she actually does have a point, tho im sure she made a mess of it. or maybe not.
1294153;1444227742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am very easily distracted by people talking
1294154;1444227756;mircea_popescu;oh the interrupt thing. yeah i can see that.
1294155;1444227769;asciilifeform;and also by not being able to disappear into alone-space by pressing a button.
1294156;1444227789;asciilifeform;(mask interrupts!)
1294157;1444227792;mircea_popescu;lol
1294158;1444227834;mircea_popescu;anwyay, the ba log is really nothing other than properly kept minutes.
1294159;1444227879;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293816 << in which we discover alf does not understand how teh usg works.
1294160;1444227879;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:15; asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ?
1294161;1444227891;mircea_popescu;dude, if they had the fucking balls to be effectual they wouldn't be themselves, now would they.
1294162;1444227907;asciilifeform;hey every so often they bust a door and drag some kicking and screaming, no ?
1294163;1444227932;mircea_popescu;really ?
1294164;1444227933;asciilifeform;but wtf is the point of 'rolling by' some schmuck's house ?
1294165;1444227951;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293820 << interesting theory, sounds fucking insane tome, but then again...
1294166;1444227951;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:57; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
1294167;1444228001;asciilifeform;i don't give a tinker's damn if obamitler himself drives by my house.
1294168;1444228003;mircea_popescu;anyway, inplainer terms : the point of rolly by some schmuck's house is that you get to be in the car, and the clock is ticking, and you almost certainly won't get shot.
1294169;1444228005;asciilifeform;it's a fuckin city street.
1294170;1444228015;mircea_popescu;this makes it a better thing to do than any alternative, for the guy in question.
1294171;1444228027;asciilifeform;ah, now those we have everywhere.
1294172;1444228072;gabriel_laddel;!up pete_dushenski
1294173;1444228089;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293828 << dude...
1294174;1444228089;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:47:51; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter
1294175;1444228238;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/8597861d0fa75be1dff8e5daf300188e/tumblr_np44o0AE8B1ttqu7ro1_1280.jpg << boobs wanna be free!!1
1294176;1444228238;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTggLw )
1294177;1444228280;asciilifeform;but re: phf et al, yes, with 5x the budget i would indeed rent five warehouses while living in a coffin.
1294178;1444228320;mircea_popescu;precious few people living in coffins were "people rich"
1294179;1444228321;asciilifeform;supposing i were not a slave and did not have to live on a plantation
1294180;1444228363;asciilifeform;speaking of which
1294181;1444228365;*;asciilifeform bbl
1294182;1444228387;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293856 << this is a better plan than it sounds lol.
1294183;1444228387;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 04:01:20; phf: you should try buying some weed from him
1294184;1444228403;mircea_popescu;they'll get all the effort underway for a "sting operation", easy 100k worth, then you can just point and laugh at them.
1294185;1444228514;trinque;mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293767 <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. << bwahahaha, I'd have said web work is a proper whore's job
1294186;1444228514;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
1294187;1444228516;mircea_popescu;(make sure you're with MANY people. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983461 )
1294188;1444228516;assbot;Logged on 19-01-2015 16:19:17; mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".
1294189;1444228719;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/0d32607a6ec1a0a782a994dc6acbfd16/tumblr_nkwlcd20hJ1tkz70so2_1280.png << any drunken walk experts in the audience care to explain why the well work walkspot (a fine indicator of the strip club with tradition) is square rather than the round one'd expect ?
1294190;1444228720;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTgMct )
1294191;1444228730;mircea_popescu;spoils for the victor : http://41.media.tumblr.com/5a1c78dfb9b45021b4dcf1340826949a/tumblr_nkwlcd20hJ1tkz70so7_1280.png
1294192;1444228733;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTgKkN )
1294193;1444228987;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293871 << twas not top kek, jjust, hard to do well.
1294194;1444228987;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 04:23:01; phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck
1294195;1444229050;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293880 << amusingly enough, in romanian the word denotes a bluff.
1294196;1444229050;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 04:35:36; phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
1294197;1444229307;mircea_popescu;!up Londe
1294198;1444229498;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293893 << this is no small matter, incidentally. it'sjust good fortune that human body can actually be imaged without requiring doses of radiation that'd be strong enough to induce cancer locally.
1294199;1444229498;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 04:54:48; punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All  we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard  X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
1294200;1444229514;mircea_popescu;it's a typical surface-and-radius problem, and we for some reason fell on the lucky side of it.
1294201;1444229930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00049779 = 23.9686 BTC [+] {5} 
1294202;1444230407;mircea_popescu;http://consciouslifenews.com/yeti-real-researcher-finds-himalayan-yeti-genetically-identical-ancient-polar-bear/1166893/ << how to help spammers create a mailing list. <div class="comment-author vcard"> <img src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a3995edd941d3fdee574dab4064cb451&size=40' height='64' width='64' alt=sterls@bell.net' />
1294203;1444230408;assbot;Is the Yeti Real? Researcher Finds Himalayan Yeti “Genetically Identical” to Ancient Polar Bear  : Conscious Life News ... ( http://bit.ly/1FTiF8Y )
1294204;1444230418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29148 @ 0.00049793 = 14.5137 BTC [+] {2} 
1294205;1444230479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53327 @ 0.00049799 = 26.5563 BTC [+]
1294206;1444230967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29326 @ 0.0004985 = 14.619 BTC [+] {2} 
1294207;1444231394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00049942 = 10.6127 BTC [+] {3} 
1294208;1444232309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110137 @ 0.00050057 = 55.1313 BTC [+] {3} 
1294209;1444232370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26067 @ 0.00050174 = 13.0789 BTC [+]
1294210;1444234314;punkman;"Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump."
1294211;1444234326;punkman;"There is  always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of  them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to  highlight the length of his fingers."
1294212;1444234383;punkman;"Like the  other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also  written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back by  return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.”  Which I can only assume gave him fits."
1294213;1444234422;mircea_popescu;is stubbly fingers bad in the us ?
1294214;1444236001;deedbot-;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), September 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-september-2015-statement/
1294215;1444236044;mircea_popescu;stories from the deep, for my good friends in nyc (paging mike_c ) : plumer called yest ; said he's gonna show up today between noon and 3. showed up at 1. fixed thing with his own parts, half hour labour, certified sort of task. the bill ? ~120.
1294216;1444236127;mike_c;hehe, don't lose that guy's number.  I bet a good contractor is almost as hard to find down there as it is up here.
1294217;1444236141;mircea_popescu;myeah. very pleasant young guy too.
1294218;1444236156;mircea_popescu;intel delivers!
1294219;1444236201;*;mircea_popescu recalls many winters ago going through books, discovering $680 express charge. turns out that if you want nyc service "within three days" you gotta pay like a week's wages. otherwise, the waiting list's 5 weeks long.
1294220;1444236213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00049797 = 10.6815 BTC [-]
1294221;1444236444;mircea_popescu;http://40.media.tumblr.com/22990f91b0798344574e49d508211206/tumblr_noywcdzaoZ1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg << photoproof that being lame and boring is contagious, whereas being nude is not.
1294222;1444236445;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WNlQ6l )
1294223;1444236451;mircea_popescu;should explain a lot about the state of the world.
1294224;1444236545;mike_c;I'm looking forward to Eulora land ownership.
1294225;1444236587;mircea_popescu;me too!
1294226;1444236942;mod6;so awesome.  every exciting stuff.
1294227;1444237577;mircea_popescu;>D
1294228;1444237799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050116 = 4.4102 BTC [+]
1294229;1444237878;pete_dushenski;"For just $19.99, ShipFoliage.com will send you a few leaves harvested from the colorful forest floors of Vermont and New Hampshire. “Each leaf is carefully picked and color balanced in a bundle of three,” the website reads." << so $6.66 for a generic leaf ?? what was that about money not growing on trees ?
1294230;1444238009;mircea_popescu;lawl.
1294231;1444238020;mircea_popescu;beats wood off the authentic cross and holy water from the whatever.
1294232;1444238025;mircea_popescu;or does it.
1294233;1444238049;mircea_popescu;in other news, do you like dags ? http://36.media.tumblr.com/fa2737ae5a5ce0772d1cba36ba622098/tumblr_np71nmtuXZ1tj991so1_1280.jpg
1294234;1444238051;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lir7ip )
1294235;1444238082;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo's bro does
1294236;1444238115;pete_dushenski;dawgs are too much work for me
1294237;1444238153;pete_dushenski;i mean, if you're going to put that much work into a lump of flesh, from infancy on upwards, why not at least mould it in your own image ?
1294238;1444238183;pete_dushenski;dog sorta plateaus at, what, 6 month-old child's mental capacity ?
1294239;1444238202;pete_dushenski;not that the unconditional love thing probably doesn't hold some appeal
1294240;1444238206;mike_c;you can train a dog to do what you tell it.
1294241;1444238209;pete_dushenski;just not for yours truly so much
1294242;1444238230;pete_dushenski;mike_c: more easily than people, yes. but people too !
1294243;1444238262;mike_c;mhm.  let's circle back on that when your newborn gets a personality :)
1294244;1444238273;pete_dushenski;haha k
1294245;1444238372;mike_c;Although there is that weird feeling of frustration and pride when your stubborn two year old will not do what you want, but you realize that's because he is a lot like you.
1294246;1444238417;mike_c;but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park.
1294247;1444238562;jurov;pete_dushenski: the $20 foliage reminds me of http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J
1294248;1444238564;assbot;Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ )
1294249;1444238728;mircea_popescu;don't knock it, smart 6 month old kid >>> dumbass adult.
1294250;1444238793;mircea_popescu;what thefuck is that disgusting goop
1294251;1444238807;mircea_popescu;and THEY KNEW it was fucking stupid, which is why they put that ground copper on it or w/e it is.
1294252;1444238807;jurov;glue pistol
1294253;1444238817;jurov;*thermal
1294254;1444238826;mircea_popescu;"hey, this tastes like shit" "add some ginger to it!"
1294255;1444238889;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski im not so sure of the entire moulding thing. i think i met more competent dogs than competent humans in my life, mostly because the bar so much lower for dog. and it's self-moulding really, just as long as you don't get in th way too much.
1294256;1444238901;mircea_popescu;sorta like health generally.
1294257;1444239054;pete_dushenski;jurov: looks like amethyst. /me recalls traveling across canada in my early youth, stopping at amethyst mines, being fascinated by the colour and size of the formations
1294258;1444239074;pete_dushenski;but the superglue is a bit much ;/
1294259;1444239220;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sure the bar is lower for dogs, where's the alf dog ? not meeting a stand-out example allows the others to enjoy their mediocre unexceptionalism
1294260;1444239241;pete_dushenski;free of the bright light of contrast
1294261;1444239295;pete_dushenski;actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea
1294262;1444239318;pete_dushenski;hell, when eulora gets animals, this beast should be there !
1294263;1444239399;pete_dushenski;it'll obviously talk, mostly pessimistic/crank whispering, fomenting rumours from across the land
1294264;1444239443;pete_dushenski;'alf dog' can truly be man's best friend : always keeping him on his toes, alert, aware of the faintest rustles in the leaves
1294265;1444239469;pete_dushenski;he'll sense things that no person ever could, and have the ability to articulate it !
1294266;1444239548;*;pete_dushenski doesn't, ftr, think alf is anything like a 'crank' but that he's easily the foremost expert on those who are
1294267;1444239623;pete_dushenski;https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dogstar-tailtalk-world-s-first-dog-emotion-sensor#/ << speaking of man better understanding his dog...
1294268;1444239625;assbot;DogStar TailTalk: World’s First Dog Emotion Sensor | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiuhTe )
1294269;1444239993;jurov;convert your dog to tamagotchi!!11(r)(tm)
1294270;1444240027;pete_dushenski;so... you can spec a 'microshit surface pro 4' with 1tb hd, 16gb ram, intel i7 for... $2`700 !
1294271;1444240048;pete_dushenski;coming to a leasing plan near you (tm)
1294272;1444240058;jurov;is it compatible with zune?
1294273;1444240076;pete_dushenski;jurov: you ever play tamagotchi ? i think i was the only kid in my class who didn't. maybe one other.
1294274;1444240099;jurov;i didn't, but yes, half of class had
1294275;1444240206;pete_dushenski;global phenomenon eh. i don't think they were exactly cheap either. maybe $cad 40 ? in ~1997 money ?
1294276;1444240245;pete_dushenski;those pre-dot-com bucks are nothing to sneeze at.
1294277;1444240484;jurov;yep, many rich kids in our 'hood
1294278;1444240622;pete_dushenski;ah scratch that 40 guesstimate : the 1996 model msrp'd for 2079 yen, $usd 15.99. so probably closer to $cad 20.
1294279;1444240647;punkman;how much was the gameboy around then?
1294280;1444240713;pete_dushenski;~$100 iirc
1294281;1444240800;pete_dushenski;that's $cad
1294282;1444240820;pete_dushenski;yup, gameboy pocket (1996) msrp was $usd 59.99
1294283;1444240849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00050116 = 25.3336 BTC [+]
1294284;1444240868;pete_dushenski;$cad 1 = $usd 0.66 at the time, was parity five years ago, now back to 0.75
1294285;1444240914;pete_dushenski;gameboy pocket cartridge capacity : 1mb (!)
1294286;1444240953;pete_dushenski;cpu speed : 4.19 mhz
1294287;1444240963;pete_dushenski;golden days.
1294288;1444240981;pete_dushenski;well, i'm off for a bit !
1294289;1444242862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00050146 = 24.9226 BTC [+] {5} 
1294290;1444243289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17643 @ 0.00049901 = 8.804 BTC [-]
1294291;1444244204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23002 @ 0.00050292 = 11.5682 BTC [+]
1294292;1444244570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00049901 = 9.5061 BTC [-]
1294293;1444245241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00049901 = 5.8883 BTC [-]
1294294;1444245546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00049901 = 11.0281 BTC [-]
1294295;1444246147;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=LuVLjAhsw-w FTW!
1294296;1444246148;assbot;Mongolian Music (Rap Style) Throat Song "Fish Symboled Stamp" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8iLtq )
1294297;1444246161;jurov;!up ascii_field
1294298;1444246292;jurov;!up ascii_field
1294299;1444246296;ascii_field;ty jurov
1294300;1444246308;*;ascii_field has been trying and failing to get external lcd working on a w540 for >year now
1294301;1444246318;*;ascii_field at the end of the latest bout of this
1294302;1444246423;jurov;http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/ lol "power to handle any taxing software" i understood as "taxation software"
1294303;1444246424;assbot;ThinkPad W540 | Mobile Workstation | | Lenovo US ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q8jn2g )
1294304;1444246557;ascii_field;i cannot even begin to describe how much i hate this thing
1294305;1444246566;ascii_field;most of all for there being no (afaik) alternative to it
1294306;1444246573;ascii_field;that is even half worth considering
1294307;1444247218;ascii_field;instead, i look at 2mm tall text.
1294308;1444247221;ascii_field;all day, every day.
1294309;1444247234;punkman;why doesn't the external display work?
1294310;1444247250;ascii_field;because fucktarded 'nvidia optimus'
1294311;1444247253;ascii_field;that can't be turned off
1294312;1444247864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.0005033 = 20.736 BTC [+] {2} 
1294313;1444248369;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1294314;1444248831;ascii_field;this is (or was) afaik the most expensive portable sold, and it is ~still~ a turd
1294315;1444250365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13821 @ 0.00049901 = 6.8968 BTC [-]
1294316;1444251548;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1294317;1444252256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20790 @ 0.00049901 = 10.3744 BTC [-]
1294318;1444252265;ascii_field;incidentally, the very existence of 'ubuntu' is a blight.
1294319;1444252289;ascii_field;because it enables a host of sc4mz0rz to peddle 'linux-compatible!!1!!!11' crud that is entirely not
1294320;1444252304;ascii_field;(functions only if you use the ubuntu kernels and never attempt to so much as rebuild)
1294321;1444252365;ascii_field;in turn, no one bothers to develop an actual driver because 'dontcha know, ubuntu is linux and there is a linux driver'
1294322;1444252832;pete_dushenski;"Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday banned any further negotiations between Iran and the United States" << because not even iran will negotiate with terrorists.
1294323;1444252889;pete_dushenski;because what's to negotiate with ? usg is a nebulous metastatic blob with no end and no beginning. trying to have a conversation with it is like talking to a tree and expecting the forest to play along.
1294324;1444252940;pete_dushenski;khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic.
1294325;1444252968;pete_dushenski;""Negotiations with the United States open gates to their economic, cultural, political and security influence. Even during the nuclear negotiations they tried to harm our national interests.," Khamenei was quoted as saying on his website.""
1294326;1444253001;pete_dushenski;go figure the one political leader in iran who doesn't have to worry about re-elections has the most considered perspective.
1294327;1444253009;deedbot-;[Qntra] Foundation and No Such lAbs Continue Improving Bitcoin: V Ascendant - http://qntra.net/2015/10/foundation-and-no-such-labs-continue-improving-bitcoin-v-ascendant/
1294328;1444253037;pete_dushenski;what are the chances that democracy doesn't produce the best results ? but rather the results that favour usg interests ? hm. i wonder.
1294329;1444253055;ascii_field;moocracy
1294330;1444253091;pete_dushenski;oinkokracy, more halal.
1294331;1444253110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00050119 = 15.4868 BTC [+]
1294332;1444253256;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/vw-abgasskandal/neuer-volkswagen-chef-vw-will-maengel-an-fahrzeugen-bis-2016-beheben-13842286.html << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems...
1294333;1444253257;assbot;Neuer Volkswagen-Chef: VW will Mängel an Fahrzeugen bis 2016 beheben ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rujy97 )
1294334;1444253342;pete_dushenski;piss is too pricey.
1294335;1444253361;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1294336;1444253511;pete_dushenski;https://www.rt.com/usa/317886-toyota-isis-trucks-treasury/ << such fucking lulz.
1294337;1444253512;assbot;ISIS driving Toyotas a little too often, US Treasury wonders why — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1RujWEK )
1294338;1444253543;pete_dushenski;u.s. wonders aloud : "why aren't the bad guys driving our shitboxen ?!"
1294339;1444253551;pete_dushenski;um. because they're shitboxen.
1294340;1444253582;pete_dushenski;and toyotas have a hard-earned reputation for lasting longer than regimes.
1294341;1444253598;pete_dushenski;so yea, isis uses toyotas.
1294342;1444253681;pete_dushenski;but asking toyota why they're providing isis with trucks is like asking amd why they're providing tmsr~ with chips and mobos, or asking boeing why they gave the 9/11ers planes.
1294343;1444253695;pete_dushenski;what kind of sense is this ?
1294344;1444253716;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: this kind of thing began in 1960-70s, where 'why did this computer end up in su' became a thing
1294345;1444253731;pete_dushenski;no wonder khamenei won't negotiate with these fucks.
1294346;1444253733;ascii_field;and usg conscripted tech suppliers, not only banks, to serve as de-facto polizei
1294347;1444253790;pete_dushenski;a role they play to this day, much to the detriment of their own long-term survival.
1294348;1444253806;pete_dushenski;but hey, no one ever got fired for complying and taking the path of least resistance.
1294349;1444253808;pete_dushenski;so on it goes.
1294350;1444253809;ascii_field;they survive, and will continue to survive, because there is no alternative
1294351;1444253819;ascii_field;nothing that looks, smells, walks, talks, like the remotest shadow of an alternative.
1294352;1444253845;ascii_field;find me a motherfucking laptop with ips display and room for 24G that doesn't have nvidia piece of shit.
1294353;1444253849;pete_dushenski;well, i won't speak for intel, but toyota can flatly tell usg where to go.
1294354;1444253874;pete_dushenski;ascii_field it seems that computing is unique in this regard.
1294355;1444253882;ascii_field;it is not unique.
1294356;1444253892;ascii_field;you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either.
1294357;1444253926;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. << Sure you can... Just not new
1294358;1444253944;pete_dushenski;ascii_field because poison pill computing has seeped in the cracks.
1294359;1444253952;*;trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came
1294360;1444254057;BingoBoingo;* trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came << It came when Andrew Jackson when on his genocide kick in defiance of the US supreme court. Or when Washington wasn't hung during the WHiskey rebellion.
1294361;1444254078;trinque;riff on the "no one could have forseen" wry comment
1294362;1444254091;trinque;of course people saw the end approaching but was it ever stopped?
1294363;1444254122;BingoBoingo;Nope. Just happened.
1294364;1444254133;ascii_field;the reason why the decay is at its most cartoon-coloured visible in computing, is that it is the most inherently centralized industry in existence
1294365;1444254136;ascii_field;more so even than nuclear
1294366;1444254163;ascii_field;there are literally one hand's fingers' worth of places on the planet where workstation cpu is made
1294367;1444254168;ascii_field;and perhaps 2x that many where mobo is made
1294368;1444254176;ascii_field;and two or three, where modern ram is.
1294369;1444254215;*;BingoBoingo kinda wants to see ISIL driving some new Ford superduty trucks now that FOrd is going all in on Art Deco and chrome.
1294370;1444254249;pete_dushenski;ascii_field this is perhaps a better restatement of what i was getting at with the uniqueness of computing
1294371;1444254268;pete_dushenski;the degree of centralisation is pretty unparalleled
1294372;1444254284;ascii_field;notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.'
1294373;1444254291;ascii_field;even if wanted.
1294374;1444254324;pete_dushenski;that is actually a fascinating truth. quite revelatory of the complexity involved.
1294375;1444254349;ascii_field;it is not even about complexity.
1294376;1444254356;ascii_field;but economics.
1294377;1444254381;BingoBoingo;Gawker Media now in full actual war propaganda mode, seriously intercepting drones in a manned aircraft takes balls: https://archive.is/d5XEG
1294378;1444254382;assbot;Russia Intercepts U.S. Drones Over Syria, Launches Cruise Missiles From Caspian ... ( http://bit.ly/1VEEn7K )
1294379;1444254406;pete_dushenski;we never had the nuclear-powered cars expected in the 1950s (ford nucleon), but computer powered ? entirely, now.
1294380;1444254418;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: snore. poor things are defenseless
1294381;1444254422;ascii_field;('predator',
1294382;1444254426;ascii_field;'reaper', have no cannon)
1294383;1444254436;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Well then can use self as rocket
1294384;1444254449;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: have you ever seen one ?
1294385;1444254454;trinque;I've already heard a derp repeat "they're shooting down our drones!"
1294386;1444254457;BingoBoingo;Not live
1294387;1444254457;ascii_field;there are a few hanging in the national airplane museum
1294388;1444254462;ascii_field;they have small propellers.
1294389;1444254488;ascii_field;thing is just a slow flying platform to drop one or two rocket bombs from
1294390;1444254499;*;BingoBoingo lives a county away from Airforce Base, see a lot of cargo haulers and the decoy air force one fleet often
1294391;1444254547;pete_dushenski;ascii_field but if french bureaucracy is (and has been for decades if not centuries) the centralised behemoth that i understand it to be, why h-bomb and no 'pentium' ?
1294392;1444254549;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: But flying to intercept means getting close enough for a bored kind at Nellis to put the drone into a hard turn for the lulz
1294393;1444254571;pete_dushenski;what's different about usg/su centralisation ? scale of overall economy from which to draw ?
1294394;1444254574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00050365 = 8.0584 BTC [+]
1294395;1444254581;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun
1294396;1444254608;ascii_field;su also did not do it, notice !
1294397;1444254619;pete_dushenski;which it would be, except useful.
1294398;1444254626;pete_dushenski;su didn't make chips ?
1294399;1444254627;ascii_field;modern ru was - if we are to believe elbrus co. - just barely able to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items.
1294400;1444254639;pete_dushenski;aha
1294401;1444254650;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: they had trouble keeping up with 1980s usa
1294402;1444254664;pete_dushenski;and who knows if 'elbrus' can be believed.
1294403;1444254677;ascii_field;and, i will note, lifted die contents wholesale
1294404;1444254680;ascii_field;(though not always)
1294405;1444254704;pete_dushenski;ascii_field as 2010s usa has trouble keeping up with chian
1294406;1444254707;pete_dushenski;china*
1294407;1444254722;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: china does not actually design workstation either !
1294408;1444254733;ascii_field;never has
1294409;1444254745;ascii_field;notice i did not say 'cpu' but specifically workstation cpu
1294410;1444254756;pete_dushenski;hm. in terms of design, you have a point.
1294411;1444254765;ascii_field;if we must have a rigorous definition, say 'cpu which can keep the blockchain'
1294412;1444254872;pete_dushenski;if russia has the economy to make elbrus, which can presumable keep the blockchain, seems odd that china can't
1294413;1444254884;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact that elbrus was made.
1294414;1444254894;ascii_field;for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like the last elbrus !
1294415;1444254900;ascii_field;and the one before that.
1294416;1444254902;pete_dushenski;lol!
1294417;1444254926;pete_dushenski;they could teach ethertards a thing or two if they're ~that~ good.
1294418;1444254928;ascii_field;mircea_popescu actually worked some magic to try scoring a sample board but nothing came of it.
1294419;1444255015;pete_dushenski;back to french 'reasonability' and why they haven't launched gold into sun, since when are the french reasonable ? they're fucking nutbag socialists of the highest order !
1294420;1444255039;ascii_field;at this time, every single copy of every variant of bitcoin in the world runs on a cpu designed - and, in almost all cases, made - by the usg ministry of crudputing !!
1294421;1444255065;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: reasonable enough not to launch a trillion's worth of au into the sun.
1294422;1444255067;ascii_field;not a high bar.
1294423;1444255068;pete_dushenski;though i'm now starting to appreciate alf's earlier point about isis : 'show me single kalash bullet'
1294424;1444255113;pete_dushenski;as to how far and how improbably a culture and economy has to come to develop that which we take for granted.
1294425;1444255172;ascii_field;really the other thing, imho, is more interesting - that modern tech is far more of a centralized thing than anything in old su ever was
1294426;1444255198;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1294427;1444255233;ascii_field;su actually had competing suppliers, and sometimes entire supply chains, for things.
1294428;1444255254;ascii_field;whereas your cpu came from one of three buildings on the whole fucking planet.
1294429;1444255260;ascii_field;and your next one - from one of two.
1294430;1444255389;pete_dushenski;because of the costs of 10/14nm chips requiring still more centralisation ? or because 'next one' will necessarily have 'arm', which is only made in 2 places ?
1294431;1444255403;ascii_field;and designed in ONE
1294432;1444255417;ascii_field;(yes, even chinese arm is 'license design')
1294433;1444255424;ascii_field;yes, ALL OF loongson's products.
1294434;1444255427;ascii_field;also licensed.
1294435;1444255429;ascii_field;(the mips series)
1294436;1444255437;ascii_field;NO ONE DESIGNS
1294437;1444255486;pete_dushenski;once a (human) generation, it seems.
1294438;1444255496;ascii_field;nonsense.
1294439;1444255502;ascii_field;this is unique to cpu.
1294440;1444255511;ascii_field;(and, to slightly lesser extent, related peripherals)
1294441;1444255623;pete_dushenski;well, even if new cpu was designed, it'd have to be made at one of a handful of facilities, the odds of which are ~0, yes ?
1294442;1444255646;ascii_field;aha.
1294443;1444255668;ascii_field;but it is important to understand the sheer magnitude of the first counterfactual here.
1294444;1444255689;ascii_field;NO ONE has, for a very long time, designed a cpu in the sense of actually laying out the transistors.
1294445;1444255704;ascii_field;instead, it is much like modern high-level programming languages
1294446;1444255715;ascii_field;with elephantine libraries, largely consisting of layer upon layer of kludge
1294447;1444255754;ascii_field;all of it maximally proprietary, without exception - microshit-based, and having 'compile times' measured in weeks or months
1294448;1444255807;pete_dushenski;for a bit of history, when was the last clean sheet design made ? and by whom ? the gods ?
1294449;1444255836;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: no later than late 1980s
1294450;1444255986;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: here is a classic historic example of such a design: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334
1294451;1444255987;assbot;DSpace@MIT:                 The SCHEME-79 Chip ... ( http://bit.ly/1GwLVgF )
1294452;1444256017;ascii_field;goes from a program, all the way to a chip die generated by said program, AND able to run it !
1294453;1444256029;ascii_field;in a few 100 lines of 'scheme' (a lisp dialect)
1294454;1444256111;pete_dushenski;i'm probably ill equipped to appreciate 'scheme-79' but i like the hand-drawings !
1294455;1444256137;pete_dushenski;particularly the fact that artist didn't use ruler for all arrows
1294456;1444256145;pete_dushenski;some are noticeably wobbly.
1294457;1444256170;pete_dushenski;ascii_field and where does z80 fit into this picture ?
1294458;1444256642;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: nowhere.
1294459;1444256647;ascii_field;because you cannot blockchain on it.
1294460;1444256655;ascii_field;or develop bitcoin.
1294461;1444256673;pete_dushenski;aha just a curiousity then ?
1294462;1444256686;ascii_field;now you ~can~ do certain things on it.
1294463;1444256690;ascii_field;such as signing transactions.
1294464;1444256709;ascii_field;and i'd say more, but it is a little bit off topic...
1294465;1444256908;pete_dushenski;"Months after winning a national title, Harvard’s debate team has fallen to a group of New York prison inmates."
1294466;1444256965;pete_dushenski;"Inmates can earn various degrees through the initiative, which is taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 per cent of the all-male inmates at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of the program have continued their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said."
1294467;1444256970;pete_dushenski;"While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by the college."
1294468;1444256993;pete_dushenski;but i thought the internet was the classroom of the people of the future of the lala ?
1294469;1444257002;pete_dushenski;guess not eh.
1294470;1444257014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00050365 = 6.4467 BTC [+]
1294471;1444257064;pete_dushenski;bbias
1294472;1444259802;BingoBoingo;http://www.turnto10.com/story/30201693/only-on-10-800-pound-cranston-man-needs-new-home
1294473;1444259803;assbot;Only on 10: 800 pound Cranston man needs new home - News, Weather and Classifieds for Southern New England ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0DjDR )
1294474;1444259828;BingoBoingo;"I was supposed to stay there and lose all my weight and get down to 550 to get the gastric bypass," said Assanti. "That was their plan."
1294475;1444260455;pete_dushenski;assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.menahem:f54a4c063b377b73c4fc8fe436b8c044255bb87005ea81935d4b403cbd0d9220
1294476;1444260462;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.menahem:f54a4c063b377b73c4fc8fe436b8c044255bb87005ea81935d4b403cbd0d9220
1294477;1444260463;assbot;Successfully unrated menahem
1294478;1444260505;BingoBoingo;!rate kyletorpey -10 USG influence agent
1294479;1444260505;assbot;kyletorpey is not registered in WoT.
1294480;1444260613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050201 = 8.0824 BTC [-] {3} 
1294481;1444262586;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: who's that?
1294482;1444262632;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Some derp bouncing between Qntra competitors as they fail. Fully on whitewashing Obese Blocks as actual bitcoin.
1294483;1444262707;BingoBoingo;He's the one author who sorta escaped CCN with their reputation sorta moo-ocratically intact after the GAW implosion.
1294484;1444262735;asciilifeform;see, i dealt with this using the 'oak tree' algo
1294485;1444262768;asciilifeform;thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-10-2015#1294093
1294486;1444262768;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 14:02:17; asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it.
1294487;1444262769;BingoBoingo;Interesting, how does that work?
1294488;1444262773;asciilifeform;see.
1294489;1444262778;BingoBoingo;Ah, I see
1294490;1444262818;BingoBoingo;I'd been trying that and upon seeing his latest derp and pete doing rating decided just to see if a rating could stick
1294491;1444262830;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294261 << it does! this dog that read everything back in kindergarten...
1294492;1444262830;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 17:34:55; pete_dushenski: actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea
1294493;1444262831;asciilifeform;see, he cost you something.
1294494;1444262862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually my first thought, reading the log, is that it'd be something like a lathe dog.
1294495;1444262884;mircea_popescu;running dog of the ba cultists!
1294496;1444262891;mircea_popescu;thrice cussed.
1294497;1444262924;BingoBoingo;Now that the Gavin-Hearn heresy died, next heresy up is Gavin-Garazalick or however Agent J's name is spelled.
1294498;1444262965;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting.
1294499;1444262991;BingoBoingo;And the Torpey derp is papering the propaganda path for this outcome well in advance of its public unveiling, hence meriting a neg-rating if he had the balls to exist in the first place.
1294500;1444263045;asciilifeform;none of these folks will ever make an appearance in anything like honest wot, i suspect
1294501;1444263047;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting. << I still swat because I never know which mosquito if not swatted would be the one to pass on Falciparum or West Nile Virus
1294502;1444263052;asciilifeform;srsly why would they?!
1294503;1444263058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if there exists a systematic model for ratings, the wot has failed. you understand this right ?
1294504;1444263075;asciilifeform;aha
1294505;1444263081;mircea_popescu;so let the man do whatever.
1294506;1444263086;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> srsly why would they?! << To make Braunschweigher
1294507;1444263099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind
1294508;1444263109;mircea_popescu;yes but let him do his mind.
1294509;1444263120;mircea_popescu;THIS is a more concerning vector than that.
1294510;1444263138;*;asciilifeform lets
1294511;1444263161;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind << This is why I concern myself with such things while "liver training"
1294512;1444263178;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere.
1294513;1444263184;asciilifeform;not so
1294514;1444263188;asciilifeform;think of eltsin !
1294515;1444263209;asciilifeform;and senator mccarthy...
1294516;1444263209;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere. << But it got people to no where
1294517;1444263210;mircea_popescu;for all alf's hopes that a precise ballmer point of methamphetamine with speedballs might make him visualize valuable novel proofs,
1294518;1444263223;mircea_popescu;the evidence of record is beyond scant.
1294519;1444263231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consists, afaik, solely of p. erdos
1294520;1444263241;*;asciilifeform does not think that this is a feat generally duplicable
1294521;1444263248;asciilifeform;correct use of dope is a talent given to few
1294522;1444263253;asciilifeform;like violin
1294523;1444263261;mircea_popescu;erdos also played violin iirc ?
1294524;1444263263;mircea_popescu;or was it harmonica
1294525;1444263270;asciilifeform;lise meitner played.
1294526;1444263297;asciilifeform;the one caveat re: erdos is that he was unusual for being a ~confessed~ dope-maths fella
1294527;1444263301;asciilifeform;most - are closeted.
1294528;1444263319;asciilifeform;for a variety of good reasons.
1294529;1444263376;asciilifeform;what's in a 'speedball' anyway ??
1294530;1444263384;BingoBoingo;Erdos also avoided going full dope until his CV supported it.
1294531;1444263440;mircea_popescu;"NVIDIA� Optimus� technology intelligently optimizes your notebook PC, providing the outstanding graphics performance you need, when you need it, all the ..."
1294532;1444263441;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1294533;1444263463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cocaine/heroin
1294534;1444263472;asciilifeform;wtf's the point of this
1294535;1444263476;mircea_popescu;generally a strong upper strong downer cocktail.
1294536;1444263481;mircea_popescu;what's the point of any of it!
1294537;1444263493;asciilifeform;seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects...
1294538;1444263511;mircea_popescu;(but you will notice my meth+speedballs covers the spectrum, which justifies the stylistical choice.)
1294539;1444263515;asciilifeform;aha
1294540;1444263521;*;BingoBoingo remembers library school professor talking about Erdos as an example of person who was suited to only survive in university environment, got very butthurt when I asked his Erdos number. Had small college undergrad math profs with 2, 3 respectively.
1294541;1444263523;mircea_popescu;hahaha no. the brain is more complex than currently modelled.
1294542;1444263541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: optimus, is a very special turd where 2d vga chip tries to share a DAC with 3d gpu
1294543;1444263556;asciilifeform;generally this results in a box where external display jacks are unusable under linux
1294544;1444263560;asciilifeform;even with closed turd kernel mods
1294545;1444263561;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects... << Completely different chemical systems.
1294546;1444263568;mircea_popescu;aha.
1294547;1444263590;asciilifeform;i've been squinting at <2mm text for ~year now.
1294548;1444263597;mircea_popescu;this is ridiculous.
1294549;1444263600;asciilifeform;aha.
1294550;1444263615;mircea_popescu;you could just unplug the laptop screen, put an extension in, jack it into external.
1294551;1444263620;asciilifeform;nope.
1294552;1444263634;mircea_popescu;what, proprietary bs ?
1294553;1444263635;asciilifeform;like all of them - proprietary lvds cable
1294554;1444263638;mircea_popescu;sigh
1294555;1444263639;asciilifeform;every single one ever made.
1294556;1444263710;asciilifeform;and yes, before anyone bothers to ask, the thing ~has~ to be portable, and yes, has to fit in knapsack
1294557;1444263740;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: How does X220 treat you?
1294558;1444263746;mircea_popescu;how about screen -x ?
1294559;1444263776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doesn't work so well with vm and emulators, which stupidly pump video buffer straight from emulated winblowz
1294560;1444263784;mircea_popescu;o god.
1294561;1444263789;mircea_popescu;how do you find these corners.
1294562;1444263796;asciilifeform;i work with malware.
1294563;1444263799;asciilifeform;every day.
1294564;1444263806;asciilifeform;ergo winblowz.
1294565;1444263807;BingoBoingo;!b 4
1294566;1444263871;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( error )
1294567;1444263871;mircea_popescu;this problem is beyond my magic.
1294568;1444263871;mircea_popescu;talk ye to the dark wizard that lives atop the tower.
1294569;1444263871;asciilifeform;that'd be me.
1294570;1444263871;asciilifeform;dark wizard will need new eyeglasses soon.
1294571;1444263871;mircea_popescu;glad i could help
1294572;1444263878;mircea_popescu;hey, get heliomatics :D
1294573;1444263897;*;BingoBoingo wonders where alf will park his tower
1294574;1444263908;asciilifeform;it's more of a dungeon than a tower
1294575;1444263912;BingoBoingo;Ah
1294576;1444263917;asciilifeform;(what's a dungeon if not a tower with flipped sign bit)
1294577;1444263923;BingoBoingo;Dungeon now, tower later?
1294578;1444263937;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294324 << iran president is mostly a figurehead.
1294579;1444263937;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 21:22:20; pete_dushenski: khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic.
1294580;1444263949;asciilifeform;aha, sorta like president of su
1294581;1444263952;mircea_popescu;tungeon.
1294582;1444263955;asciilifeform;(didja know? they had'em)
1294583;1444263957;asciilifeform;dower.
1294584;1444263971;mircea_popescu;Lord Ascii Lifeform of the Tungeon Dower.
1294585;1444264100;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294332 << i so suspect this is a sort of vw-XT
1294586;1444264100;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 21:27:36; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/vw-abgasskandal/neuer-volkswagen-chef-vw-will-maengel-an-fahrzeugen-bis-2016-beheben-13842286.html << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems...
1294587;1444264114;mircea_popescu;whereby you get an upgrade that fuck up your car by june or some such
1294588;1444264134;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Basically turns 2015 awesome diesels into 1980's diesels
1294589;1444264135;asciilifeform;at the very least it is guaranteed to make the thing worthless
1294590;1444264156;asciilifeform;(it will still turn its wheels, at least for a while...)
1294591;1444264263;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294372 << own my foot.
1294592;1444264263;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 21:44:44; ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.'
1294593;1444264267;*;BingoBoingo read a review of the 2015 Chevy Colorado diesel midsized truck. Less horsepower than gasoline powered 1997 S-10 compact truck. WOnder if review version waited for VW and emergency flipped the firmware.
1294594;1444264363;mircea_popescu;"Russia�s shadowing and intercepting of U.S. drones operating over Syria first appeared as a fluke to U.S. officials, but as they continued to happen it became clear that "
1294595;1444264380;mircea_popescu;the only thing that became clear is that "us officials" are totally unrelated to the events.
1294596;1444264384;mircea_popescu;da fuck, "fluke" ?
1294597;1444264725;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294395 << too late for that.
1294598;1444264725;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 21:49:41; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun
1294599;1444265628;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1294601;1444265727;mircea_popescu;man who the fuck was the bright mind that made the camera usb connector not also charge the camera while connected.
1294602;1444265736;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha
1294603;1444265740;mircea_popescu;srsly, i gotta turn it off, extract its battery and charge it ?
1294604;1444265742;*;asciilifeform has same camera as mircea_popescu 
1294605;1444265759;asciilifeform;and yeah, i have a thing that goes in a mains socket and eats the battery
1294606;1444265769;asciilifeform;(came with a bag of batteries, too)
1294607;1444265775;mircea_popescu;it's just...
1294608;1444265781;mircea_popescu;what school did these people go to.
1294609;1444265787;asciilifeform;and can also ask who came up with the martian connector on that thing
1294610;1444265796;mircea_popescu;some microusb thing
1294611;1444265802;asciilifeform;not on mine
1294612;1444265807;asciilifeform;it's a trapezoidal chimera
1294613;1444265865;mircea_popescu;hm
1294614;1444265934;BingoBoingo;"Establishment Motors introduces an all-wheel-drive crossover with three rows of seating. It features the exact same drivetrain as the Establishment Motors sedan, a car that has gone nearly unchanged since 2012, along with almost-identical exterior and interior styling. As shown, $143,000." << I called it: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a26911/the-tesla-model-x-is-iterative-not-revolutionary/
1294615;1444265935;assbot;The Tesla Model X Isn't Revolutionary, It's Iterative ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrAHDk )
1294616;1444265965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://sp.sony-europe.com/da/392/144804.jpeg << it
1294617;1444265966;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrAL64 )
1294618;1444265984;mircea_popescu;aha
1294619;1444265990;mircea_popescu;that's not one of the numerous microsubs ?
1294620;1444265993;asciilifeform;nope.
1294621;1444266010;asciilifeform;won't find it in any 'chinese bag of all usb heads'
1294622;1444266102;mircea_popescu;i always just assumed...
1294623;1444266114;asciilifeform;l0l
1294624;1444266134;*;asciilifeform misplaced the martian cable ages ago, pulls out the flash card to read back, yes
1294625;1444266161;mircea_popescu;i have an embankment of usb sticks with camera cables dangling from them
1294626;1444266170;mircea_popescu;most of which cables from cameras i long got rid of.
1294627;1444266178;mircea_popescu;whenever i get a new one i glue it into the bank
1294628;1444266203;asciilifeform;this works if fortress, yes.
1294629;1444266222;mircea_popescu;nah, the thing itself is small and packs easily
1294630;1444266222;*;asciilifeform has similar with debug cables for various boardz
1294631;1444266306;asciilifeform;as to 'what school did they go to' - the sony school of apple-before-apple, surely.
1294632;1444266333;asciilifeform;this particular gadget is an astonishing - for that vendor - surrender to the civilized world, in its omission of 'sony memory stick'
1294633;1444266361;asciilifeform;(an ancient and heavily-proprietary turd which sells for 5x/byte vs 'sd')
1294634;1444266386;thestringpuller;so bitvps just imploded
1294635;1444266398;asciilifeform;i picked the thing up because - like a total chump - i saw 'carl zeiss' on the chassis
1294636;1444266416;asciilifeform;(not yet knowing, then, that the real zeiss was carted off to su and never seen again outside of it)
1294637;1444266437;asciilifeform;thestringpuller is posting from a time warp ?
1294638;1444266504;mircea_popescu;again ?
1294639;1444266525;BingoBoingo;again?
1294640;1444266527;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-09-2015#1287740 << oblig
1294641;1444266527;assbot;Logged on 29-09-2015 17:48:23; ascii_field: 'the car bomb exploded. the mechanic cursed and pulled on another wire. the car bomb exploded again, with greater violence. windows rattled, dogs barked. 'you definitely have a car bomb, sir, i can tell you that now!' he muttered.'
1294642;1444266547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's really not a bad potato, this cam.
1294643;1444266554;asciilifeform;pretty good potato.
1294644;1444266561;asciilifeform;(i still have it)
1294645;1444266575;mircea_popescu;i actually bought it because vorhees' girlfriend (at the time) who iirc was some sort of photosomething or the other picked  it out.
1294646;1444266578;mircea_popescu;turned out pretty good.
1294647;1444266587;asciilifeform;i usedto have a real camera, sold years ago.
1294648;1444266595;thestringpuller;doesn't everyone die in the case of a car bomb?
1294649;1444266597;mircea_popescu;meh, i can't be arsed to carry dslrs
1294650;1444266615;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: normally...
1294651;1444266617;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: C41 processing isn't worth it.
1294652;1444266641;thestringpuller;unless you travel with a C41 machine...i wouldn't put that past you tho
1294653;1444266761;mircea_popescu;im not that fanatic
1294654;1444266805;thestringpuller;some are...but my first C-41 batch was my last
1294655;1444266838;thestringpuller;i don't mind B&W processing it's pretty therapeutic.
1294656;1444266855;mircea_popescu;what, diy ? poisonous as all shit
1294657;1444266860;mircea_popescu;afaik it's 100% robotized by now
1294658;1444266880;asciilifeform;b&w you can process while half asleep
1294659;1444266892;thestringpuller;^^- hence bein therapeutic
1294660;1444266897;asciilifeform;colour is a bitch.
1294661;1444266903;thestringpuller;cept for the brain damage due to chemical inhalation
1294662;1444266914;asciilifeform;as a child i played with father's set of glass filters from his colour photo days in su army
1294663;1444266926;asciilifeform;there was a massive box of'em
1294664;1444266949;asciilifeform;square, about the size of a man's palm
1294665;1444266958;asciilifeform;could stand up in carpet and build a kind of house-of-cards
1294666;1444266967;asciilifeform;with caveat that, if it fell, there would be broken glass
1294667;1444267040;asciilifeform;(somehow this made it more interesting)
1294668;1444267064;thestringpuller;so you made glass filter house of cards as a kid?
1294669;1444267090;asciilifeform;aha
1294670;1444267497;BingoBoingo;Oh, look who is bleeding nao http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/monsanto-posts-big-quarterly-loss-to-eliminate-jobs/article_ba00c469-4165-5e12-a0e9-1f2b2d0621c4.html
1294671;1444267499;assbot;Monsanto posts big quarterly loss, to eliminate 2,600 jobs : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrC4Sy )
1294672;1444267532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27830 @ 0.00050146 = 13.9556 BTC [-]
1294673;1444267546;mircea_popescu;ha
1294674;1444267679;BingoBoingo;Yet in the other side of the fiat business news http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/sabmiller-rejects-a-b-inbev-s-billion-bid-but-brito/article_e564a90d-8383-5e31-b971-eaecae9d213f.html
1294675;1444267680;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrCeJK )
1294676;1444267740;asciilifeform;http://www.stltoday.com/business/columns/jim-gallagher/health-insurance-here-comes-the-gouge/article_795d1cea-784c-5714-b399-ec68a9c033af.html << from same fishwrap
1294677;1444267745;BingoBoingo;And in nuclear news http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/anxiety-rises-near-bridgeton-landfill-as-emergency-plans-disclosed/article_20ec516e-5393-50b8-8d0a-6a0f12cd3b6b.html
1294678;1444267746;assbot;Anxiety rises near Bridgeton Landfill as emergency plans disclosed : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrChoW )
1294679;1444267792;BingoBoingo;Ah asciilifeform Obola cares
1294680;1444268113;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294670 << without having to perform any necromancy or wield crystal ball, i can tell you how it will go - precisely like the pharma pain of 1990s-present, where a corp is bought (present-day monsanto shares nothing at all with the monsanto that sold the first LED) - and 'useless eaters' like r&d folk are sacked to pad shareholder pockets
1294681;1444268113;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 01:24:57; BingoBoingo: Oh, look who is bleeding nao http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/monsanto-posts-big-quarterly-loss-to-eliminate-jobs/article_ba00c469-4165-5e12-a0e9-1f2b2d0621c4.html
1294682;1444268138;asciilifeform;the heat from this burning furniture, and pianos, warms a host of lice and mice - patent lawyers, marketronicists, etc
1294683;1444268141;asciilifeform;and their catamites
1294684;1444268223;asciilifeform;in uncle al schwart's immortal words, 'you will hear, from behind a wood panelled set of doors, 'call in the lab nigger'; and start working on your cv'
1294685;1444268365;BingoBoingo;"Some say concern among residents and area officials has heightened since Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster released reports last month that said an underground fire at the landfill was moving toward radioactive waste in the adjacent West Lake Landfill." << Monsanto/Mallinkrodt has impending potential liabilities, potentially unbounded
1294686;1444268449;mircea_popescu;hey, 20bn, whassat.
1294687;1444268630;BingoBoingo;For nao
1294688;1444268672;asciilifeform;'usg fines itself 20bn zimbabwellars' nyooz at eleven
1294689;1444268789;deedbot-;[Qntra] BitVPS Customers Unable To Access Services - http://qntra.net/2015/10/bitvps-customers-unable-to-access-services/
1294690;1444268820;mircea_popescu;yep
1294691;1444268838;mircea_popescu;so one thing to like here is the fucking fresia.
1294692;1444268874;mircea_popescu;they sell it by the pound, practically. i bought myself roughly two kgs, maybe 3-400 stalks, for 10 bux.
1294693;1444268881;*;mircea_popescu loves fresia
1294694;1444268935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00050365 = 41.9037 BTC [+]
1294695;1444269053;asciilifeform;03:08 @arij hopefully everyone had backups << win
1294696;1444269118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36020 @ 0.00050146 = 18.0626 BTC [-]
1294697;1444269175;deedbot-;[Trilema] What was the Lomax? Any why was it there? And who could have lifted it to take it somewhere ? - http://trilema.com/2015/what-was-the-lomax-any-why-was-it-there-and-who-could-have-lifted-it-to-take-it-somewhere/
1294698;1444269204;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Same rag, hardest core panty thief in history http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/underwear-thief-nabbed-after-fiery-crash-at-lemay-used-car/article_f19d2c7a-d9b7-5cf5-8fa0-8b9e593c6562.html
1294699;1444269206;assbot;Underwear thief nabbed after fiery crash at Lemay used car lot, police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zecoeh )
1294700;1444269390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'incienso, ...., sandalo hierbas especificas que dejaran tu hogar libre de malas ondas!!' << mega-win!
1294701;1444269411;asciilifeform;'... incense, will leave your home free of evil waves'
1294702;1444269511;BingoBoingo;"The next time the suspect was spotted was in the 9900 block of South Broadway, when his car flipped and struck several cars on the lot at Quality Car Care. Five of the cars in the used car lot were badly damaged." << Seriously all this to steal a few panties
1294703;1444269728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00050373 = 25.0958 BTC [+] {5} 
1294704;1444270128;BingoBoingo;;;later tell moonpunter so... WTF are your doing?
1294705;1444270129;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1294706;1444270169;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1700710/post74537442 << scroll to pics
1294707;1444270171;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuFMYK )
1294708;1444270171;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1294709;1444270196;asciilifeform;1st - 'sound card'
1294710;1444270216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52514 @ 0.00050146 = 26.3337 BTC [-]
1294711;1444270244;asciilifeform;#2 'macbook air'
1294712;1444270248;asciilifeform;#3 - 'iphon'
1294713;1444270269;asciilifeform;('айфон')
1294714;1444270360;asciilifeform;#8 - 'open source'
1294715;1444270428;asciilifeform;#12 ' user interface'
1294716;1444270443;asciilifeform;#14 ' worldwide web'
1294717;1444270503;asciilifeform;#22 - 'trojan'
1294718;1444270519;asciilifeform;#24 - 'spam'
1294719;1444270546;asciilifeform;lastly, #30 - linux.
1294720;1444270565;asciilifeform;the rest - exercise for ze reader.
1294721;1444271131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10349 @ 0.00050146 = 5.1896 BTC [-]
1294722;1444271192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28518 @ 0.00050032 = 14.2681 BTC [-] {2} 
1294723;1444271424;BingoBoingo;Lopp Mofo keeps shilling https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3nwejl/any_recommendations_on_how_to_reduce_bitcoind/cvryxg3
1294724;1444271426;assbot;statoshi comments on Any recommendations on how to reduce bitcoind memory usage? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuHDwG )
1294725;1444271498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00050378 = 28.5643 BTC [+]
1294726;1444271924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00049928 = 25.3884 BTC [-] {4} 
1294727;1444272251;BingoBoingo;Baseball, the best combat sport http://m.mlb.com/news/article/153640110/cubs-pirates-empty-benches-in-wild-card-game
1294728;1444272252;assbot;Cubs, Pirates empty benches in Wild Card Game | MLB.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuIKfH )
1294729;1444272991;BingoBoingo;!up contrapumpkin
1294730;1444273009;contrapumpkin;:)
1294731;1444273395;BingoBoingo;;;later tell fluffypony Do cape Daisies ever stop blooming?
1294732;1444273395;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1294733;1444273615;BingoBoingo;https://bitbet.us/bet/1154/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-out-of-office-in/#c5194
1294734;1444273617;assbot;BitBet - FIFA President Sepp Blatter out of office in 2015 :: 0.36 B (24%) on Yes, 1.12 B (76%) on No | closed 4 months 5 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1jPdBZd )
1294735;1444274059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34917 @ 0.00050382 = 17.5919 BTC [+] {3} 
1294736;1444275062;cazalla;nice to sit down with a beer after shelling over 9000 broad beans
1294737;1444275138;BingoBoingo;lol
1294738;1444275157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24087 @ 0.00050387 = 12.1367 BTC [+]
1294739;1444278587;BingoBoingo;https://slimgr.com/images/2015/10/07/cc8afcedaf38e4e66984d72850be6f2e.jpg
1294740;1444278589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG1dqk )
1294741;1444279089;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ya know she'd look half decent if she lost the weight
1294742;1444279116;BingoBoingo;cazalla: That sounds dangerously close to sympathy with the MayoGendered
1294743;1444279184;trinque;you're not a tubberlover are you
1294744;1444279186;trinque;hahaha
1294745;1444279241;cazalla;who me?
1294746;1444279305;trinque;jk, wanted to use the phrase tubberlover
1294747;1444279372;cazalla;i mean i don't like seeing ribs but then i actually prefer meat on the bone, not just 100% fat
1294748;1444279468;BingoBoingo;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10348556
1294749;1444279469;assbot;I'm not so sure that /r/fatpeoplehate did anything worse than any other "funny p... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG236m )
1294750;1444279652;trinque;cazalla: ample ass gets no complaints from me
1294751;1444279669;trinque;long as it's taken care of
1294752;1444279739;trinque;!up Vexual
1294753;1444279776;Vexual;whoa i know a guy in texas now i voice
1294754;1444279854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28784 @ 0.00049802 = 14.335 BTC [-] {4} 
1294755;1444279880;cazalla;get all up in that wot Vexual
1294756;1444280012;trinque;it occurs to me that the Syrian war is a decent opportunity for Russian demonstration of force to the world at large
1294757;1444280072;Vexual;indeed i feel the weight
1294758;1444280088;cazalla;dat ass https://media.8ch.net/bbw/src/1439221840833-0.jpg
1294759;1444280089;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG2Fc2 )
1294760;1444280095;cazalla;prob more BingoBoingo style seeing he likes the black chicks
1294761;1444280127;Vexual;who deosnt
1294762;1444280196;cazalla;ya think hottentot would even get a look in in 2015?
1294763;1444280294;Vexual;pardon?
1294764;1444280447;Vexual;trinque: russia wont say shit
1294765;1444280540;Vexual;having seen the warship exit, ill imagine it was effecttiv
1294766;1444280610;trinque;gives them a chance to for example buzz turkey as they've done, do other various stress tests of nato maybe
1294767;1444280643;Vexual;zzzrt
1294768;1444280668;trinque;cazalla: "hottentot venus" ?
1294769;1444280687;trinque;first I've heard of this actually
1294770;1444280712;cazalla;really? she is sorta synonymous with dat ass
1294771;1444280886;trinque;some of the drawings are hilariously cartoonish
1294772;1444281013;Vexual;do tell
1294773;1444281115;trinque;https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=hottentot+venus
1294774;1444281116;assbot;hottentot venus - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeHYIR )
1294775;1444281130;trinque;meant to do images but w/e
1294776;1444281132;trinque;you get the idea
1294777;1444281175;cazalla;couple days in texas and ya already full blown racist eh trinque
1294778;1444281193;trinque;lol
1294779;1444281210;trinque;it is merely humor at ignorant days past, I tell ye!
1294780;1444281224;trinque;http://imageweb-cdn.magnoliasoft.net/nmm/supersize/f5768.jpg << dog doesn't trust the ass
1294781;1444281225;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeIh6w )
1294782;1444281280;trinque;http://brikart.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ghost7.jpg << this one on the other hand, notbad.jpg
1294783;1444281282;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG3Po4 )
1294784;1444281361;Vexual;whoa
1294785;1444281410;Vexual;here ill never confuce ya
1294786;1444281550;cazalla;a hottentot galaxy for BingoBoingo https://media.8ch.net/bbw/src/1427161726796.jpg
1294787;1444281550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG47eK )
1294788;1444281573;trinque;!up Vexual
1294789;1444281590;trinque;holy shit
1294790;1444281625;Vexual;dat ?
1294791;1444281643;cazalla;gives new meaning to black hole eh
1294792;1444281647;trinque;that's not a normal skin color in the flap there
1294793;1444281652;trinque;what's that fungus?
1294794;1444281693;cazalla;barnacles
1294795;1444281720;BingoBoingo;ty cazalla, and a skinny bitch for you http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjRxqFQoTCKC4zMaQssgCFUSZgAod-1EA1A&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wjes.org%2Fcontent%2Fpdf%2F1749-7922-8-13.pdf&bvm=bv.104615367,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNHZysyuRUyYXE_QaFh6HQjOBNLn8g&ust=1444368042181552
1294796;1444281721;assbot;Redirect Notice ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG4fL6 )
1294797;1444281749;cazalla;404 dat ass not found
1294798;1444281792;Vexual;oh science\
1294799;1444281875;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Apologies apparently google doesn't link to images it scrapes from pdf's try this one http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAQQjBxqFQoTCIPcm5CRssgCFYeODQodkE8MaA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindawi.com%2Fjournals%2Fcriu%2F2012%2F312365.fig.003b.jpg&psig=AFQjCNGJKKV7FmXzgfOJthXg-p_IltkLDg&ust=1444368214214605
1294800;1444281875;assbot;Redirect Notice ... ( http://bit.ly/1VG4lT6 )
1294801;1444281876;cazalla;she got that wet for trinque that she doubled as an oyster farm
1294802;1444281983;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvN5h9BE444
1294803;1444281984;cazalla;what is that BingoBoingo
1294804;1444281993;cazalla;bme?
1294805;1444281993;trinque;what the fuck
1294806;1444281999;BingoBoingo;cazalla: What does it look like?
1294807;1444282017;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> bme? << King Herod's disease
1294808;1444282045;cazalla;i dunno but what sorta surgery requires his ball sack removed like that?
1294809;1444282059;cazalla;or is he deaded?
1294810;1444282072;BingoBoingo;The kind where... like king herod...
1294811;1444282127;trinque;I think gangrenous genitals is about when I eat a bullet
1294812;1444282136;cazalla;yeah i think so too
1294813;1444282161;BingoBoingo;Apparently this schmuck wasn't clever enough for that
1294814;1444282162;Vexual;mp diluting ass wine keeps me running
1294815;1444282179;BingoBoingo;And people though slimgr links were bad
1294816;1444282232;Vexual;da faq/??
1294817;1444282233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54121 @ 0.00050292 = 27.2185 BTC [+] {5} 
1294818;1444282303;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtsGAkyeIo
1294819;1444282328;*;trinque to bed
1294820;1444282339;Vexual;ty
1294821;1444282607;Vexual;call a fox
1294822;1444282627;cazalla;going bed soon myself i think
1294823;1444282638;thestringpuller;cazalla: it's like morning there
1294824;1444282678;cazalla;nah 430pm
1294825;1444282684;cazalla;practically midnight
1294826;1444282709;Vexual;its early afternoon
1294827;1444282790;Vexual;i see no 4
1294828;1444282839;Vexual;https://vimeo.com/61341838
1294829;1444282956;cazalla;https://youtu.be/clNhzV-CPME
1294830;1444282957;assbot;fatty gets triggered - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeMtTZ )
1294831;1444282992;Vexual;good luck cunt
1294832;1444283138;thestringpuller;so much fat shaming
1294833;1444283142;thestringpuller;lol
1294834;1444283152;Vexual;fuck um dready
1294835;1444283156;Vexual;*up
1294836;1444283169;thestringpuller;how u know i have dreads?
1294837;1444283178;thestringpuller;Vexual is spooky
1294838;1444283182;Vexual;seen your twiting
1294839;1444283376;thestringpuller;lies!
1294840;1444283383;thestringpuller;i have short hair on twitter
1294841;1444283423;thestringpuller;!up Vexual
1294842;1444283432;thestringpuller;in other news: https://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/factsheets/FactSheet_BashBug.pdf
1294843;1444283461;thestringpuller;the nsa guide to mitigating bash shell shock
1294844;1444283602;Vexual;deAR CUNT]
1294845;1444283707;BingoBoingo;Someone is desperate for SEO http://dpaste.com/2VQQCBG
1294846;1444283708;assbot;dpaste: 2VQQCBG ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeP5B1 )
1294847;1444283814;cazalla;could be someone just hoping to get past initial spam block so that they can post their real spam BingoBoingo
1294848;1444283999;Vexual;havent seen a fox for ages
1294849;1444284257;Vexual;https://vimeo.com/61341838
1294850;1444284568;BingoBoingo;could be
1294851;1444284600;Vexual;dafuq
1294852;1444284869;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgrQ_tdIUl4
1294853;1444285771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42310 @ 0.00049679 = 21.0192 BTC [-] {4} 
1294854;1444286686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00050362 = 25.5839 BTC [+] {3} 
1294855;1444287174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.0004966 = 1.1422 BTC [-] {2} 
1294856;1444288272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19262 @ 0.00049646 = 9.5628 BTC [-]
1294857;1444288379;cazalla;first lemon flower sprung forth today, this one shall be the juiciest! http://i.imgur.com/Ftfcaab.jpg
1294858;1444288379;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9EMZ4 )
1294859;1444288401;cazalla;provided mr bee does his thing
1294860;1444290482;punkman;http://www.nature.com/news/the-biggest-mystery-in-mathematics-shinichi-mochizuki-and-the-impenetrable-proof-1.18509
1294861;1444290483;assbot;The biggest mystery in mathematics: Shinichi Mochizuki and the impenetrable proof : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1jecL8z )
1294862;1444292476;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM5rXj1VEAE73ks.jpg:large perfect for customer support icons
1294863;1444292476;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WOJ2RA )
1294864;1444292481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.0004946 = 3.4617 BTC [-] {2} 
1294865;1444292567;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMABD2dUwAAaOh_.jpg:large heh
1294866;1444292568;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WOJj71 )
1294867;1444293277;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Pm2AkIQAA9pgp.jpg:large
1294868;1444293278;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WOKqnl )
1294869;1444293396;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 307 @ 0.00457254 = 1.4038 BTC [-] {5} 
1294870;1444293579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00049406 = 22.5291 BTC [-]
1294871;1444293762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.0004967 = 23.0469 BTC [+] {3} 
1294872;1444294250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87572 @ 0.00050264 = 44.0172 BTC [+] {4} 
1294873;1444294311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78906 @ 0.00050538 = 39.8775 BTC [+] {3} 
1294874;1444296070;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294860 <-- hmm nothing about ted nelson thinks he's satoshi?
1294875;1444296070;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 07:48:02; punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-biggest-mystery-in-mathematics-shinichi-mochizuki-and-the-impenetrable-proof-1.18509
1294876;1444296145;funkenstein_;from the same fishwrap: http://www.nature.com/news/the-future-of-cryptocurrencies-bitcoin-and-beyond-1.18447
1294877;1444296146;assbot;The future of cryptocurrencies: Bitcoin and beyond : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rvii5P )
1294878;1444296267;punkman;funkenstein_: ted nelson? wut?
1294879;1444296279;jurov;funkenstein_: i can't imagine such intellect mucking with C++
1294880;1444296366;punkman;http://www.playboy.com/articles/jeffrey-alan-lash
1294881;1444296366;assbot;Baby, I’m a Secret Agent, Alien-Hybrid Here to Save the World | Playboy ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvizFU )
1294882;1444296550;jurov;punkman: no relation to bernie sanders?
1294883;1444296573;funkenstein_;jurov, good point lol
1294884;1444296580;funkenstein_;punkman, old vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emDJTGTrEm0
1294885;1444296580;assbot;I Think I Know Who Satoshi Is - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgCOa3 )
1294886;1444296938;punkman;http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-isis-toyota-trucks/story?id=34266539
1294887;1444296940;assbot;US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvjvK8 )
1294888;1444297043;jurov;punkman: funkenstein_ btw what happened that you're active at such a hour? :D
1294889;1444297049;jurov;or are you aussies?
1294890;1444297222;davout;guten morgen
1294891;1444297263;punkman;jurov, I'm in the same timezone as you
1294892;1444297273;jurov;buenos dias davout
1294893;1444297305;jurov;punkman lolk
1294894;1444297548;punkman;god formiddag
1294895;1444298230;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iv-ZLCxjPU  http://www.citylab.com/weather/2015/10/an-indian-city-is-getting-inundated-by-creeping-toxic-foam/409468/
1294896;1444298230;assbot;NEWS9: Now Our Lakes Are Literally On Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgFG6Z )
1294897;1444298231;assbot;Bangalore Is Getting Inundated by Creeping Toxic Foam - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgFGne )
1294898;1444300002;funkenstein_;jurov, nope just up to catch the near jovian-lunar conjunction I guess
1294899;1444300472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81959 @ 0.0004915 = 40.2828 BTC [-] {4} 
1294900;1444301826;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: it's a perennial, so no
1294901;1444301839;fluffypony;I mean, they'll bloom forever-ish, but only in summer/spring
1294902;1444301936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00049292 = 16.71 BTC [+]
1294903;1444302181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00049046 = 13.3896 BTC [-] {3} 
1294904;1444302424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00049292 = 19.3718 BTC [+] {2} 
1294905;1444303583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18548 @ 0.00050171 = 9.3057 BTC [+] {2} 
1294906;1444303630;davout;ftr i heartily approve of the new babes-with-airplanes, instead of babes-with-cars new policy
1294907;1444304254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00049784 = 23.9461 BTC [-] {2} 
1294908;1444304498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00049328 = 33.1977 BTC [-] {4} 
1294909;1444306450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00050074 = 8.813 BTC [+]
1294910;1444307365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00049964 = 18.037 BTC [-]
1294911;1444307853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55300 @ 0.00049897 = 27.593 BTC [-]
1294912;1444309134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00049495 = 14.2546 BTC [-]
1294913;1444311452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7099 @ 0.00049772 = 3.5333 BTC [+]
1294914;1444311645;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/8/police-seek-suspect-after-stolen-car-crashes-at-fo << mega-l0l
1294915;1444311646;assbot;Fort Meade crash: Police seek suspect after stolen car crashes at Army post in Maryland - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LjPlbX )
1294916;1444311757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9249 @ 0.00049874 = 4.6128 BTC [+] {2} 
1294917;1444312428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53082 @ 0.0004977 = 26.4189 BTC [-] {3} 
1294918;1444312611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35204 @ 0.00049875 = 17.558 BTC [+]
1294919;1444312855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00049721 = 12.5048 BTC [-]
1294920;1444313099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67357 @ 0.00049875 = 33.5943 BTC [+]
1294921;1444315966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00049875 = 25.4861 BTC [+]
1294922;1444316121;mike_c;re: email is not secure
1294923;1444316131;mike_c;and yet, that's how my SSL certificates are delivered
1294924;1444316142;mike_c;oh wait.  brain fart.
1294925;1444316149;*;mike_c delete last 3 lines
1294926;1444316162;mike_c;where's my goddamn coffee
1294927;1444316317;mircea_popescu;lol
1294928;1444316698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00049721 = 22.9711 BTC [-]
1294929;1444316833;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294700 << you will note that it's holy, from peru, and like 10 pesos.
1294930;1444316833;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 01:56:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'incienso, ...., sandalo hierbas especificas que dejaran tu hogar libre de malas ondas!!' << mega-win!
1294931;1444316873;mircea_popescu;but in their defense, while "onda" does strictly mean "wave", it is very amply used figuratively to denote bad fit, bad feeling, dubiousness of all kinds.
1294932;1444316885;mircea_popescu;the way you say "i have a bad feeling about X" is mala onda.
1294933;1444317137;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294742 << i'm with him, make her run track until exhaustion collapse three times each day for a few months, make some boots out of the spare skin, she'd be passible.
1294934;1444317137;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 04:38:36; BingoBoingo: cazalla: That sounds dangerously close to sympathy with the MayoGendered
1294935;1444317202;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294756 <<< opportunity kindly provided by inept nigger on chinese funds borrowed on guarantee of john q random citizen-derp's ass.
1294936;1444317202;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 04:53:32; trinque: it occurs to me that the Syrian war is a decent opportunity for Russian demonstration of force to the world at large
1294937;1444317331;mircea_popescu;omfg with the fat links already.
1294938;1444317340;mircea_popescu;obese people are more revolting than rape and genocide.
1294939;1444317369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42556 @ 0.00049931 = 21.2486 BTC [+] {2} 
1294940;1444317602;mircea_popescu;those foam pics are someyhing else.
1294941;1444319016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13968 @ 0.0004997 = 6.9798 BTC [+] {2} 
1294942;1444319077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00049976 = 7.8372 BTC [+]
1294943;1444319382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00049511 = 28.7659 BTC [-] {2} 
1294944;1444321822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40050 @ 0.00050016 = 20.0314 BTC [+] {2} 
1294945;1444322188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34087 @ 0.00049457 = 16.8584 BTC [-] {3} 
1294946;1444322310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67500 @ 0.00050167 = 33.8627 BTC [+] {4} 
1294947;1444323896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00050334 = 24.9657 BTC [+] {3} 
1294948;1444326763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12175 @ 0.00050006 = 6.0882 BTC [-]
1294949;1444326946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23591 @ 0.00050507 = 11.9151 BTC [+] {3} 
1294950;1444327007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13609 @ 0.0005055 = 6.8793 BTC [+]
1294951;1444328491;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1294952;1444328503;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/usa-shop-prostitutes.htm << weev lulz
1294953;1444328506;assbot;US Attorneys shopping for prostitutes on taxpayer dime. -- Leaks incoming ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pk0onn )
1294954;1444328559;ascii_field;and in other nyooz, https://sites.google.com/site/itstheshappening
1294955;1444328560;assbot;The Shappening ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pk0paJ )
1294956;1444328591;ascii_field;'Concretely, we estimate the SHA-1 collision cost today (i.e., Fall 2015) between 75K$ and 120K$ renting Amazon EC2 cloud computing over a few months.'
1294957;1444328612;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284794
1294958;1444328612;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 14:12:48; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die
1294959;1444328878;punkman;oh nice
1294960;1444328894;punkman;what's a freestart collision?
1294961;1444329081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00050101 = 20.5665 BTC [-]
1294962;1444329327;BingoBoingo;<fluffypony> I mean, they'll bloom forever-ish, but only in summer/spring << Been going more summer to october here...
1294963;1444329367;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.0
1294964;1444329369;assbot;REWARD offered for hash collisions for SHA1, SHA256, RIPEMD160 and other ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pk0VFC )
1294965;1444329412;punkman;"Note that the value of your SHA256, RIPEMD160, RIPEMD160(SHA256()) or  SHA256^2 bounty may be diminished by the act of collecting it." heh
1294966;1444330845;BingoBoingo;lols https://archive.is/LI8b2
1294967;1444330846;assbot;rsynnott2 comments on BitVPS customers find out they aren't able to access services and no backups exist. Sorry for your loss. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pk1L5u )
1294968;1444330888;BingoBoingo;"Rabbits have very strong feelings about the ACW. It's one of the reasons you never see black people with rabbits, as rabbits remain dogmatic supporters of the CSA and slavery to this very day. Your average rabbit is basically a furry Nathan Bedford Forrest."
1294969;1444331141;jurov;bitvps' colorful history prolly deserves longer writeup
1294970;1444331220;jurov;just from my bad memory - it started as joint venture of an underage admin and other person who was supposed to actually pay bills
1294971;1444331239;trinque;no backups is mindbogglingly bad
1294972;1444331246;jurov;then it got listed (supposedly without consent of the latter) and later delisted from mpex
1294973;1444331274;jurov;then it got sold to new owners
1294974;1444331303;jurov;around that time coinbr was a customer and after a ddos got unceremoniously kicked out
1294975;1444331323;jurov;then it got listed on buttfunder and btctct
1294976;1444331344;jurov;then that went sour, too (i stopped following long before that)
1294977;1444331352;punkman;well obviously they suck, but isn't backup usually the customer's responsibility?
1294978;1444331426;jurov;re: to that - insert as second row that the bills really got unpaid, twice during the half year while coinbr was there
1294979;1444331440;jurov;dunno why i did not move earlier
1294980;1444331489;trinque;punkman: sure but what's your reputation worth
1294981;1444331492;trinque;a host should always back-up
1294982;1444331503;trinque;lest they be tarnished with the mark of "lost everything that one time"
1294983;1444331571;punkman;trinque: well sometimes the host offers a backup service for a fee, at least as far as cheap vps boxes go
1294984;1444331605;trinque;I'd say "lost one box due to hardware failure" is on the customer, "lost the whole damn service" is definitely on the provider
1294985;1444331899;jcpham;^ this is such a pain in the ass
1294986;1444331907;trinque;what is
1294987;1444331922;jcpham;anyways I'm glad i had bitvps qm destroy my vm months ago
1294988;1444331946;fluffypony;trinque: no backups is the norm, just ask usagi
1294989;1444331961;trinque;!s backups
1294990;1444331962;assbot;166 results for 'backups' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backups
1294991;1444331998;fluffypony;jcpham: are you in serious mode or back to your old nick for shits and giggles?
1294992;1444332015;jcpham;i find it seriously a pita to get voiced
1294993;1444332024;trinque;:''(
1294994;1444332024;jcpham;i'm awol until i setup another bnc which is never
1294995;1444332041;trinque;curl ... | gpg --decrypt   is so hard
1294996;1444332047;jcpham;super
1294997;1444332060;trinque;I am being entirely sarcastic
1294998;1444332062;trinque;it takes me all of 10sec
1294999;1444332066;jcpham;i'm counting down the moments before i /part because freenode might split
1295000;1444332118;*;jcpham already gets enough weird emails without the threat of an ip disclosure by accident
1295001;1444332131;trinque;so sasl
1295002;1444332134;trinque;these are all trivial problems
1295003;1444332135;fluffypony;jcpham: just use IRC cloud, I mean I trust you aren't saying anything super sensitive on Freenode anyway
1295004;1444332175;jcpham;funny story about bitvps, the first day i joined irc rg ipwhois'd my netblock and starting looking up my ASN and doing research on me
1295005;1444332180;jcpham;and that was my intro to bitcoin
1295006;1444332200;fluffypony;classic rapeghost
1295007;1444332338;jcpham;oh neat xchat has an sasl thingy
1295008;1444333107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7125 @ 0.00050101 = 3.5697 BTC [-]
1295009;1444335097;jurov;http://dandygoat.com/hillary-adopts-new-goth-look-to-appeal-to-youth kek
1295010;1444335097;assbot;Hillary adopts new ‘goth’ look to appeal to youth   — The Dandy Goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCpcY4 )
1295011;1444335176;trinque;We were hemorrhaging support to that [expletive] hippie Bernie Sanders << top kek
1295012;1444337621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00050041 = 18.2149 BTC [-] {3} 
1295013;1444338963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17557 @ 0.00050101 = 8.7962 BTC [+] {3} 
1295014;1444339442;ben_vulpes;> airgapped@ip
1295015;1444339522;BingoBoingo;http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/10/7/mu-jolted-lbc-discrimination/
1295016;1444339523;assbot;MU jolted by LBC discrimination – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1WQ5gTj )
1295017;1444339748;BingoBoingo;http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/mu-to-require-incoming-students-to-take-diversity-training/article_f27818ca-fd99-5ffc-9e19-98309c8b1ae9.html << Fucking Hamiltonians
1295018;1444339749;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqHU57 )
1295019;1444339838;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Afvwy
1295020;1444339839;assbot;Students protest Thomas Jefferson statue, call for its removal | Local | columbiamissourian.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqIbF4 )
1295021;1444340976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00049975 = 10.5447 BTC [-] {3} 
1295022;1444341215;BingoBoingo;"We are told to believe that transsexuals were born that way, intermediate in gender. Yet a striking fraction of the most publicized cases in recent years have been men who were quite masculine in their 20s. (It�s been noted that Jenner and several other famous transsexuals are Republicans or Libertarians.)" << http://takimag.com/article/the_republican_drug_steve_sailer
1295023;1444341217;assbot;The Republican Drug - Taki's Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqMdNT )
1295024;1444341422;jurov;er.. and cissexuals aren't masculine?
1295025;1444341464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00049967 = 2.8481 BTC [-]
1295026;1444341647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69917 @ 0.00049823 = 34.8347 BTC [-] {4} 
1295027;1444342318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21236 @ 0.00049622 = 10.5377 BTC [-]
1295028;1444342442;BingoBoingo;<jurov> er.. and cissexuals aren't masculine? << Who knows anymore.
1295029;1444343721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00050106 = 28.9863 BTC [+] {3} 
1295030;1444346100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00049236 = 39.0934 BTC [-] {3} 
1295031;1444346620;ben_vulpes;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-broke-bitcoin << ahehuehahahaehuaheha
1295032;1444346621;assbot;I Broke Bitcoin | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1L0dr )
1295033;1444346625;mod6;So not sure what happened yesterday, but my bitcoin v0.5.4-TEST2 died yesterday while I wasn't looking.
1295034;1444346635;mod6;It /had/ been keeping sync for over 2 months.
1295035;1444346648;ben_vulpes;jordan pearson: you have no business writing about bitcoin
1295036;1444346655;mod6;Def didn't run out of disk space or anything.  And I don't see anything insane in the logs.
1295037;1444346689;ben_vulpes;ohai deedbot-
1295038;1444346694;mod6;I'm gonna fire it back up and see how far it is behind.
1295039;1444346704;trinque;ben_vulpes: tenyks doesn't know how to re-snag a nick :(
1295040;1444346739;ben_vulpes;mod6: interdasting, mine crapped out last night too
1295041;1444346795;mod6;hmm.
1295042;1444346814;BingoBoingo;OOM crash?
1295043;1444346938;mod6;height=377906
1295044;1444346954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73953 @ 0.00050197 = 37.1222 BTC [+] {6} 
1295045;1444347050;mod6;i didn't see any messages like that.  nothing weird in the logs.  just stopped at one point.
1295046;1444347071;mod6;After I restarted it did an immediate REORGANIZE
1295047;1444347255;mod6;its catching up now...
1295048;1444347442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4590 @ 0.00050443 = 2.3153 BTC [+]
1295049;1444347467;mircea_popescu;<jurov> just from my bad memory - it started as joint venture of an underage admin and other person who was supposed to actually pay bills <<< we don't even know wtf it all was, but hard drugs appear retrosepctively to have been involved.
1295050;1444347617;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/mu-to-require-incoming-students-to-take-diversity-training/ << better than requiring them to take basic fucking math.
1295051;1444347618;assbot;Columbia Daily Tribune | Columbia Missouri: Education ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1LRek )
1295052;1444347663;BingoBoingo;I jsut can't believe they are vandalizing the Thomas Jefferson statue and the original Jefferson Grave marker
1295053;1444347666;mircea_popescu;who needs math just as long as they know the obese aren't people, transgender is just the sign of an overactive imagination, all women are lezzies and so forth.
1295054;1444347693;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> jordan pearson: you have no business writing about bitcoin <<< or reading vice.
1295055;1444347722;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hm ?\
1295056;1444347819;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There's a Thomas Jefferson statue on campus along with his original grave marker. As part of outrage over a group of people overhear someone say nigger in a phone conversation, Social Justice Whale Hamiltonians want the statue and the grave marker removed.
1295057;1444347853;mircea_popescu;...
1295058;1444347860;mircea_popescu;and this matters because ?
1295059;1444347909;mircea_popescu;o wait, the hamplanet mobility solution providers are actually gonna do it ?
1295060;1444347915;BingoBoingo;Because SJWhales aren't supposed to have this kind of power in Missouri. I thought being in Missouri gave them other things to be outraged about.
1295061;1444347922;BingoBoingo;They might.
1295062;1444347958;BingoBoingo;The might remove it because a group overheard some drunk's phone conversation.
1295063;1444348025;mircea_popescu;where's the "Thomas Jeffersson thinks niggers suck" campaign.
1295064;1444348034;mircea_popescu;srsly, what the fuck are young adults doing over there.
1295065;1444348065;mircea_popescu;every teen everywhere knows the right response to outrage is escalation.
1295066;1444348076;mircea_popescu;except these droolbodies.
1295067;1444348227;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Or the "this sidewalk is too high traffic for yall to park your scooty puffs"
1295068;1444348311;BingoBoingo;Apparently since I left there's a Libtard "Let's get rid of all the nice things" movement that sprung up
1295069;1444348744;mircea_popescu;this blatter saga is something else.
1295070;1444348748;BingoBoingo;The don't like the Jefferson monuments, they don't like the Research Reactor
1295071;1444348755;BingoBoingo;Blatter is something else.
1295072;1444348758;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, usg interest can't push asad out, etc.
1295073;1444348763;mircea_popescu;but they can't even push the fifa guy out ?
1295074;1444348766;mircea_popescu;da fuck is next.
1295075;1444348786;BingoBoingo;Next is prolly can't push the IOC out
1295076;1444348789;mircea_popescu;"usg fails to push its out shit out of its own rectum, send halp!"
1295077;1444348845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00048894 = 30.0454 BTC [-]
1295078;1444348975;BingoBoingo;http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-ellmers-affair-reporting-leads-to-kevinmccarthy-departure/
1295079;1444348976;assbot;BREAKING: GotNews.com Ellmers Affair Reporting Leads to #KevinMcCarthy Departure - GotNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1Ndpl )
1295080;1444349063;mircea_popescu;yaimsure.
1295081;1444349069;mircea_popescu;obscure.derp reporting leads to things!
1295082;1444349147;BingoBoingo;Fuck only knows anymore
1295083;1444349193;BingoBoingo;They also got this though http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-ids-first-department-of-justice-employee-on-ashleymadison/
1295084;1444349194;assbot;BREAKING: GotNews.com IDs First Department of Justice Employee on #AshleyMadison - GotNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1NybE )
1295085;1444349209;BingoBoingo;"Here�s the first: Assistant U.S. Attorney Martin S. Bell. He�s based in New York and used Ashley Madison at work. He works for the controversial U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara."
1295086;1444349466;mircea_popescu;pretty cool, but... how exactly did they "get" it. public is public.
1295087;1444349513;BingoBoingo;Yeah, like all the other Ashley Madison stuff.
1295088;1444349536;BingoBoingo;Starting with Bharara's office was a nice touch, but a lot of trying hard
1295089;1444349562;mod6;ok node is all caught up
1295090;1444349586;BingoBoingo;I'm jsut wondering though why they have javascript from fucking coinbase on their page
1295091;1444349613;mircea_popescu;srsly.
1295092;1444349629;mircea_popescu;anyway, can't hurt to make contact. who knows, maybe only superficially stupid.
1295093;1444349729;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'll keep digging in the news mines and look for stuff while I think about it.
1295094;1444349808;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 i saw nothing anomalous on my remaining node... plz post your log at time of crash ?
1295095;1444349808;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295096;1444349860;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 also check system log for segfault, and post that, if found.
1295097;1444349860;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295098;1444350183;mircea_popescu;;;google مارتیا خوار
1295099;1444350184;gribble;Manticore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore>; Manticore - Mythology Wiki: <http://mythology.wikia.com/wiki/Manticore>; Manticore - The Castlevania Wiki - Wikia: <http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Manticore>
1295100;1444350192;mircea_popescu;ha!
1295101;1444350287;mod6;ok asciilifeform will look
1295102;1444350621;mod6;221M    messages
1295103;1444350644;mod6;looks like i sustained a port 22 attack over the last 3 days.
1295104;1444350649;mod6;that might have had an impact.
1295105;1444350685;mircea_popescu;lol!
1295106;1444350695;mircea_popescu;now i gotta look.
1295107;1444350740;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1295108;1444350743;gribble;Current Blocks: 378066 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 941 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 17 hours, 18 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1295109;1444350765;mircea_popescu;nothing here. up to date, 100 conns.
1295110;1444350776;mod6;nice. ok, might have just been me.
1295111;1444350798;mod6;87825 attempts on ssh since Oct 1st.
1295112;1444350817;mod6;that actually doesn't seem like that many.
1295113;1444351071;mircea_popescu;always an idea to move ssh and lock that port.
1295114;1444351967;mod6;^
1295115;1444352107;mod6;beware: this is ~10Mb
1295116;1444352115;mod6;asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/20151007_v054-TEST2_last200k.debug.log.txt
1295117;1444352121;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2IK4p )
1295118;1444352218;mod6;oh guess i was wrong, wasn't 377906, was: height=377901
1295119;1444352220;mod6;my bad.
1295120;1444352781;asciilifeform;mod6: nothing interesting here
1295121;1444352787;asciilifeform;mod6: any segfault ?
1295122;1444352831;mod6;not that I saw, no.
1295123;1444352849;mod6;nothing in logs, or in terminal stderr or whatnot.
1295124;1444352865;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294954 << and since no one seems to have picked up on what this means, i suppose i must now draw a picture.
1295125;1444352865;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 18:22:39; ascii_field: and in other nyooz, https://sites.google.com/site/itstheshappening
1295126;1444352883;asciilifeform;section 12.2 of rfc4880 sayeth,
1295127;1444352900;asciilifeform;'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field.  The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint.'
1295128;1444352913;asciilifeform;do i need to carry on, or is it clear ?
1295129;1444353187;mircea_popescu;if you're intimating someone's going to create a sha-1 collision and thereby obtain a key that hashes to the collision, you're exaggerating justalittle.
1295130;1444353195;mircea_popescu;otherwise yes, gpg is, and remains, slated for replacement.
1295131;1444353228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cost of a sha1 collision is less than a year of schmuck pay at this point.
1295132;1444353240;mircea_popescu;yes, but that's still not a key.
1295133;1444353245;asciilifeform;it'll be a 'key'
1295134;1444353261;mircea_popescu;not any string of bits is a key tho
1295135;1444353304;asciilifeform;notice that 'the entire Public-Key packet' leaves plenty of tweakable bits on top of the modulus
1295136;1444353315;mircea_popescu;true.
1295137;1444353320;asciilifeform;so, generate something like a reasonable modulus, and then proceed.
1295138;1444353338;mircea_popescu;you can calculate your chances of succeeding right now.
1295139;1444353341;asciilifeform;notice that the length of the packet is not even bounded
1295140;1444353343;mircea_popescu;they're unsplendid.
1295141;1444353368;mircea_popescu;(but we did do a campaighn of updating from sha-1 about last year, for digests etc)
1295142;1444353377;asciilifeform;sure. but this does nothing for key fp.
1295143;1444353396;asciilifeform;which is hardcoded to sha1..
1295144;1444353401;mircea_popescu;the only scenario that does anything in, is when one acquires a key from dubious source.
1295145;1444353507;asciilifeform;thing is, let's recall how key familiarity works right now. e.g., mircea_popescu's business card.
1295146;1444353528;asciilifeform;it does not contain the modulus he signs with. only bottom 64b of the sha1 of....
1295147;1444353530;mircea_popescu;aha.
1295148;1444353559;mircea_popescu;the pupose of the business card is to filter contacts tho.
1295149;1444353607;asciilifeform;point being, gpg --keyserver wherever.the.fuck --recv-key 0xfingerprint  can now return magical key.
1295150;1444353649;asciilifeform;the chore that everybody here has been putting off into indefinite future - that of ~actually distributing one's entire modulus~ - is a necessary thing.
1295151;1444353691;*;mircea_popescu distributes his pubkey off his blog.
1295152;1444353717;mircea_popescu;the "chore" of having and maintaining blogs is NOT negotiable. you must, you MUST be your own facebook washington post vice gawker etc.
1295153;1444353717;*;asciilifeform also
1295154;1444353722;mircea_popescu;this was never negotiable.
1295155;1444353739;asciilifeform;there are folks in wot who have neglected this.
1295156;1444353775;mircea_popescu;these also tend to be folks for whom this bullet won't likely be fired.\
1295157;1444353786;mircea_popescu;it's expensive, and foer that matter - we've yet to see this wonder in the wild.
1295158;1444353793;mircea_popescu;so far we're at the "one mirrored moduls"
1295159;1444353799;mircea_popescu;oh, speaking of which...
1295160;1444353816;mircea_popescu;Naphex you ever got that quote ?
1295161;1444353960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/pgpv4 << contains, iirc, example of collision
1295162;1444353961;assbot;cooperpair/pgpv4 at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAUUnm )
1295163;1444353967;asciilifeform;(how found - not specified)
1295164;1444354110;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20100430025638/http://imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg30980.html << mainly interesting for having been deleted from the ml
1295165;1444354112;assbot;how close is OpenPGP tied to SHA1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeUdnW )
1295166;1444354151;mod6;ok, updated mod6.net with my pubkey.
1295167;1444354273;asciilifeform;where does btcalpha get its pubkeys ?
1295168;1444354288;asciilifeform;how about assbot?
1295169;1444354392;asciilifeform;as to where the bullet might be aimed, the phuctor dataset suggests a certain pattern
1295170;1444354454;mircea_popescu;deleted ?!
1295171;1444354471;asciilifeform;aha, hence 'archive.org'
1295172;1444354492;mircea_popescu;assbot and btcalpha get them from servers (older implementations) ; deedbot- gets them correctly (you gotta supply the dpaste with it)
1295173;1444354496;asciilifeform;pattern: folks who 1) are somehow interesting (german number theorists, etc) 2) have a very threadbare, if at all present, volume of published signed material 3) communicate their key to other people largely in the form of a fingerprint
1295174;1444354550;mircea_popescu;2 really reads like "idiots" to me.
1295175;1444354557;mircea_popescu;folk who think they're too damned important to irc, blog etc.
1295176;1444354562;mircea_popescu;"oh, that's hearn's job"
1295177;1444354576;mircea_popescu;yes, fucktard, let it be hearn's job. next you'll be fed by cockroaches. it's their job to move food around.
1295178;1444354589;asciilifeform;!b 1
1295179;1444354590;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TRA5RA.txt )
1295180;1444354625;asciilifeform;but i disagree that folks who largely listen, and seldom talk, are necessarily 'idiot'
1295181;1444354638;asciilifeform;if anything, the net needs more, rather than fewer, of them
1295182;1444354642;mircea_popescu;do you know what the term meant, originally ?
1295183;1444354671;asciilifeform;sure. those bedeviled with... ideas
1295184;1444354726;mircea_popescu;notrly. pretty much exactly : doesn't talk much. sorta eternally amazed.
1295185;1444354752;mircea_popescu;deaf&dumb being the other kind.
1295186;1444354775;asciilifeform;there are also people who are not really mute by any reasonable definition but this one. e.g., knuth
1295187;1444354781;asciilifeform;large volume of material, afaik none of it signed.
1295188;1444354794;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1295189;1444354800;asciilifeform;they then are the targets.
1295190;1444354803;asciilifeform;for this bullet.
1295191;1444354816;asciilifeform;and anyone else who'd make a satisfying splat.
1295192;1444354902;asciilifeform;the point i wanted to make is that the original attitude of 'keys are people' was predicated on ideally 'stiff' keys
1295193;1444354912;asciilifeform;really, it is 'key plus body of signed material' is a man.
1295194;1444354924;mircea_popescu;yes.
1295195;1444354940;asciilifeform;and this still is predicated on an assumption, to date unproven, that rsa sig operation is not malleable.
1295196;1444354972;mircea_popescu;it certainlty is malleable (provably so)
1295197;1444354978;asciilifeform;(it is conceivable that one might produce a key which will verify mircea_popescu's signed body of works, but which, if encrypted to, resulting ciphertext could be read both by mircea_popescu AND by hitler.)
1295198;1444354979;mircea_popescu;supposedly not ~usefully~ malleable.
1295199;1444354991;mircea_popescu;this is not conceivable.
1295200;1444355029;asciilifeform;solely because rfc2440/4880 is retarded
1295201;1444355034;asciilifeform;not on account of rsa per se.
1295202;1444355052;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design
1295203;1444355053;assbot;amphtml/amp-html-format.md at master · ampproject/amphtml · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeWjUL )
1295204;1444355053;mircea_popescu;it IS however conceivable that a pubkey might be created which carries the fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 but if used to encrypt to mp will respond with "this doesn't decrypt wtf did you do". which event will be very interesting to see .
1295205;1444355079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except the ideal scenario for firing this weapon is precisely a case where the resulting message never reaches mircea_popescu
1295206;1444355101;asciilifeform;instead it'd be a funkspiel between hitler and mr schmuck, the latter having believed that he is speaking to mircea_popescu
1295207;1444355117;mircea_popescu;right.
1295208;1444355135;mircea_popescu;except, i do not normally expect to be spoken to by people i do not know.
1295209;1444355141;asciilifeform;aha.
1295210;1444355153;asciilifeform;but if knuth wants to write in - then tough cookies.
1295211;1444355160;asciilifeform;or al schwartz
1295212;1444355161;asciilifeform;et al.
1295213;1444355174;mircea_popescu;they are too old to be alive anymore, is the sad truth of the matter.
1295214;1444355199;mircea_popescu;they may only survive as dead people./
1295215;1444355201;asciilifeform;the part that bugs me is that the fundamental premise of public key crypto is a kind of downer
1295216;1444355210;mircea_popescu;how you mean ?
1295217;1444355213;asciilifeform;that is, the idea was that it is not necessary to meet in the flesh to form a working relation
1295218;1444355226;asciilifeform;(if you can meet in the flesh, you could exchange one time pads just as well)
1295219;1444355250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050442 = 21.6396 BTC [+] {2} 
1295220;1444355265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what happened to the third ?
1295221;1444355274;mircea_popescu;the ONLY way to meet new people is via recommendation.
1295222;1444355280;mircea_popescu;"talk to this guy - here's his php"
1295223;1444355283;mircea_popescu;pgp*
1295224;1444355292;asciilifeform;also works.
1295225;1444355297;mircea_popescu;no. not also.
1295226;1444355303;mircea_popescu;this is the only thing that owkrs, or ever has worked.
1295227;1444355310;mircea_popescu;this is what gossipd is built upon, also.
1295228;1444355317;asciilifeform;'here is me, and this is my pgp' also works, is what i meant.
1295229;1444355331;mircea_popescu;there is nothing else. in very particular, there is NOT this bullshit star pattern of "everyone reads vice".
1295230;1444355340;asciilifeform;aha
1295231;1444355349;mircea_popescu;the deep fundamental reason usg exists needs to go away. not merely the usg, or preet bharara's head.
1295232;1444355362;mircea_popescu;the notion that people may read "newpspaers" made by people they don't know.
1295233;1444355366;asciilifeform;the basic result here is that pgptronium is conserved, if you will.
1295234;1444355375;mircea_popescu;this is rank nonsense, and the cornerstone of stupidworld.
1295235;1444355388;mircea_popescu;trust is conserved. yes.
1295236;1444355426;asciilifeform;the one thing remaining to add is that, theoretically, it is not necessary to distribute pubkeys at all!
1295237;1444355434;asciilifeform;because they can be derived from signed material
1295238;1444355441;asciilifeform;with a modest expenditure of cpu.
1295239;1444355451;mircea_popescu;some people don't sign so much.
1295240;1444355467;asciilifeform;they are candidates for the treatment described earlier.
1295241;1444355475;mircea_popescu;but an extractor is a fundamental tool, yes.
1295242;1444355500;*;asciilifeform has intended to produce one for a long while, but it is not a priority presently
1295243;1444355766;asciilifeform;my original observation, though, stands - the time to stop thinking of pgp 64bit fp as 'the man' is not when arbitrarily colliding sha1 costs a penny! it is now.
1295244;1444355835;asciilifeform;other thing is, the problem goes a little deeper. one might craft, for instance, a filter which eats mircea_popescu's www and substitutes hitlerine signatures for all of the signatures contained therein.
1295245;1444355861;asciilifeform;and the matching hitler key, for the key normally appearing in http://trilema.com/contact-pgp
1295246;1444355862;assbot;Contact : PGP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jRZXEJ )
1295247;1444355885;mircea_popescu;there aren't any signatures contained therein.
1295248;1444355895;asciilifeform;deedbot, then
1295249;1444355908;mircea_popescu;but herein the problem gets fractured. how many things does it need to filter ?
1295250;1444355933;asciilifeform;this of course demonstrates the point mircea_popescu made earlier, whereby no one who he was not properly introduced to, could ever hope to escape this.
1295251;1444355947;mircea_popescu;(turns out mp deliberately isn't keeoping the pobkey and the signerd material in the same place. har har who knew! )
1295252;1444356006;mircea_popescu;i said and i repeated there';s major value to jointing the wot early. to the point that it was throughout the greatest gift one could give his rest of his life.
1295253;1444356013;mircea_popescu;yes, this was, and perhaps still is true.
1295254;1444356023;mircea_popescu;\as you say, the time to join the wot isn't when sha-1 collisions cost a penny.
1295255;1444356046;asciilifeform;no mega-shocking result - pgp is not a magical fountain of phree-energy-style 'trust from the aether', but rather an amplifier of trust established - to some extent - in the meat.
1295256;1444356066;mircea_popescu;there is no pill for fixing late adopter lameness.
1295257;1444356100;asciilifeform;the other thing is, to the extent that the integrity of the wot as we now have it is predicated on sha1 not costing a penny to break, some of the sweat that went in to forming the wot may end up having to be re-sweated
1295258;1444356107;mircea_popescu;the people who went to oregon first, got homesteads. the people who go now - get to pay rent.
1295259;1444356147;mircea_popescu;there still is time.
1295260;1444356183;phf;oh hey i wrote a poc for pgp filter at toorcon, when that other wifi mitm came out. no need to figure out what's where, just sit on the http stream, catch text/*, grep it for gpg headers, and then rewrite on the fly
1295261;1444356242;asciilifeform;phf: this only leads to laughs unless you can somehow be there for the rest of the two would-be pen pals' lives
1295262;1444356245;asciilifeform;sitting between them
1295263;1444356248;mircea_popescu;yes, rewerite, but with what.
1295264;1444356274;phf;asciilifeform: of course
1295265;1444356283;asciilifeform;'quod licet' usg 'non licet bovi' (tm)
1295266;1444356320;mircea_popescu;doing this is actually a strategic mistake i'd be more than happy to see executed.
1295267;1444356346;asciilifeform;let's picture, say, an isis beheading is held on top of a banner containing an fp
1295268;1444356349;mircea_popescu;exponential costs. modest benefits. very much in line with all the other bad choices that sunk the ship of state.
1295269;1444356363;mircea_popescu;has this ever happened ?
1295270;1444356368;asciilifeform;not afaik
1295271;1444356380;asciilifeform;but i suggested it some months ago, and so it is conceivable that it will.
1295272;1444356385;mircea_popescu;let's picture a unicorn raping a lolipop ?
1295273;1444356397;mircea_popescu;mmm.
1295274;1444356448;phf;mircea_popescu: back then it was kek, these days i could probably get a hackernews frontpage "fundamental vulnerability found in gnupg, no one is safe!" either way completely irrelevant. just reminded me, it was 2005 or so
1295275;1444356463;asciilifeform;the fundamental issue that bothers me is that a broken hash is where 'protocol' begins to decay into 'promise'
1295276;1444356487;asciilifeform;systems which rely on a hash, ultimately contain trace elements of 'promise'
1295277;1444356500;mircea_popescu;a hash is a fundamental building block of crypto
1295278;1444356502;asciilifeform;the weaker the hash, the more 'promise' and less 'protocol'.
1295279;1444356515;asciilifeform;hash is the proverbial 'hole through which the night walks in'
1295280;1444356530;mircea_popescu;you can't really have pneumatics without valves.
1295281;1444356536;asciilifeform;tesla begs to differ
1295282;1444356537;mircea_popescu;and yes, valves is what always fucking breaks.
1295283;1444356562;asciilifeform;(he had a whole host of motionless pneumatic building blocks based on vortices)
1295284;1444356580;mircea_popescu;no wonder dupont had him killed.
1295285;1444356592;asciilifeform;and to that we have analogy: the pure-rsa variant
1295286;1444356598;asciilifeform;where nothing needs to be hashed.
1295287;1444356606;asciilifeform;and symmetric crypto is also not made use of.
1295288;1444356625;*;mircea_popescu believes he proposed this originally.
1295289;1444356641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did propose putting it to battlefield use
1295290;1444356643;mircea_popescu;but i am reserved as to the hashlessness
1295291;1444356662;asciilifeform;normally everybody proposes it and then writes it off as 'we haven't the cpu or the entropy'
1295292;1444356674;asciilifeform;'and passing moduli around bloats messages'
1295293;1444356694;asciilifeform;thing re: hashes is that every hash, being a many-to-one function, is by definition guaranteed to collide.
1295294;1444356704;asciilifeform;the only question concerns the difficulty of finding said collisions
1295295;1444356714;asciilifeform;and in most cases it is not in any way knowable.
1295296;1444356747;asciilifeform;today - gigabux, tomorrow - penny (pointedly ~not~ because of any advance in cpu, but on account of mathematical efforts)
1295297;1444356773;asciilifeform;in ~that~ sense alone, a hash is a cheque drawn on a total unknown.
1295298;1444356836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00048955 = 45.3813 BTC [-]
1295299;1444356884;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1295300;1444356908;mircea_popescu;oh, btw, phf you ain't ever gonna collect your eulora prize ?
1295301;1444356938;phf;mircea_popescu: will do around saturday. i'm still in transit, so no working client
1295302;1444356946;mircea_popescu;ah k
1295303;1444356972;mircea_popescu;whenever i hear of someone saying they're in transit i always picture a person inside an intestine.
1295304;1444356994;phf;well, i'm on amtrak, so might as well be
1295305;1444356995;*;asciilifeform thinks 'sic transit gloria mundi'
1295306;1444357008;mircea_popescu;why don't you fly ?
1295307;1444357090;phf;inertia, there was a point when amtrak was also inexpensive in addition to being cheap
1295308;1444357096;mircea_popescu;nothing but terrorists in this chan i swear.
1295309;1444357119;mircea_popescu;but i gotta say "why don't you fly" "inertia" is a damned good answer.
1295310;1444357131;mircea_popescu;whenever something doesn't fly that's usually why
1295311;1444357161;phf;mp gets them every time
1295312;1444357304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is unpadded rsa supposed to work ?
1295313;1444357322;asciilifeform;the 'padding' thing is an entirely separate animal
1295314;1444357329;mircea_popescu;from hashing ?
1295315;1444357333;asciilifeform;yes
1295316;1444357338;mircea_popescu;...
1295317;1444357345;phf;i'm waiting for this channel to catch up with me, i'm going to go through some routine dc check, like a metal scanner or security clearance, and it's going to be "step this way sir." some gruff looking gentleman holding b-a printouts..
1295318;1444357364;mircea_popescu;they're fucking inverse functions. one does many-to-one, the other needs an arbitrary bytecount.
1295319;1444357380;asciilifeform;phf: nah it'll be quick and humane, more of a michael hastings sort of affair.
1295320;1444357388;mircea_popescu;phf link them to the place where ytou said you're against sedition.
1295321;1444357429;mod6;that might have been a different d00d
1295322;1444357436;asciilifeform;iirc it was midnightmagic
1295323;1444357439;mircea_popescu;what, different dood on the internet ?
1295324;1444357443;mircea_popescu;what is this.
1295325;1444357468;mod6;haha. i recall there was a guy before phf's time that was like, "i can't hang in here! too much sedition!" or something
1295326;1444357484;mircea_popescu;been a bunch of those.
1295327;1444357489;mod6;fair enough
1295328;1444357520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'padding' is a misnomer for a variety of possible processes, all of which have the objective of making sure that a message is never close in phase-space to another plausible message
1295329;1444357540;asciilifeform;(and especially not close in the phase space of cryptographic malleability, for the kind of crypto in use)
1295330;1444357548;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/butt/comments/2xoik6/heres_30_butts_in_case_youve_forgotten_what_they/
1295331;1444357549;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1jS26Aa )
1295332;1444357563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1295333;1444357582;mircea_popescu;but just as far as the general principle goes. how are you going to do "padding" w/o hashing ?
1295334;1444357649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can do a one-to-many permutation.
1295335;1444357655;asciilifeform;yes, expensive.
1295336;1444357663;mircea_popescu;and moreover, just as bad as hashing.
1295337;1444357667;asciilifeform;mno.
1295338;1444357675;mircea_popescu;provably mno or just mno.
1295339;1444357689;asciilifeform;whaddayamean, i gotta prove
1295340;1444357694;*;asciilifeform now will have to prove, pissed
1295341;1444357697;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1295342;1444357700;asciilifeform;l0l
1295343;1444357724;*;asciilifeform goes off to eat dinner before it dies a 2nd time
1295344;1444357741;mircea_popescu;and more-moreover, your one-to-manyh permutation will be implemented as a hash fun ction.
1295345;1444357746;mircea_popescu;laters.
1295346;1444358239;deedbot-;[Trilema] La Chacarita - http://trilema.com/2015/la-chacarita/
1295347;1444358402;mod6;ah cool, you got a chance to walk through there!
1295348;1444358509;mod6;eh, maybe not the same place
1295349;1444358674;mod6;lol during kindergarten years
1295350;1444359245;mod6;arg! i gotta finish the documentation on this thing so i can play new eulora!
1295351;1444362828;mircea_popescu;!up mitch_callahan
1295352;1444362848;mircea_popescu;mod6 maybe you're thinking recoleta. i did that one a while back.
1295353;1444362851;mircea_popescu;i think at least.\
1295354;1444362862;mitch_callahan;sweet, voiced up. :)
1295355;1444362871;*;asciilifeform still needs to post his recoleta pics
1295356;1444362883;asciilifeform;fully 90% of what was in the camera, even.
1295357;1444362899;mircea_popescu;who're you, mitch_callahan
1295358;1444362921;mitch_callahan;mircea_popescu, I was using menahem, but my key expired.
1295359;1444362937;mitch_callahan;n00b mistake, bitcoin-assets is my crypto 101
1295360;1444362942;mircea_popescu;ah
1295361;1444362946;mitch_callahan;i wanted to change my nick anyhow
1295362;1444362949;mircea_popescu;!rarte
1295363;1444362954;mircea_popescu;!rated menahem
1295364;1444362954;assbot;You rated user menahem on 26-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.
1295365;1444363015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i discovered a new japanese restaurant (in china town) whereby i had an exceptional peruan soup.
1295366;1444363025;mircea_popescu;i poured a little on the floor for your soul.
1295367;1444363026;asciilifeform;mmm
1295368;1444363037;*;asciilifeform honoured
1295369;1444363206;*;asciilifeform got a spiffy gift from a phriend, a mouse where various pieces of the chassis can move around to fit the hand, various iron knobs. endlessly tunable thing. had no idea this existed.
1295370;1444363211;asciilifeform;'rat 9'
1295371;1444363274;mitch_callahan;oh nice
1295372;1444363279;mitch_callahan;I've got one of those
1295373;1444363306;mitch_callahan;how do you like it?
1295374;1444363321;asciilifeform;it is very neat. but, what to do with the extra buttonz !
1295375;1444363327;mitch_callahan;lol
1295376;1444363349;mitch_callahan;on the left, I use the 2 as forward/back
1295377;1444363361;mitch_callahan;i find it helps with carpal tunnel.
1295378;1444363401;*;phf uses http://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8
1295379;1444363402;assbot;Amazon.com: HP Optical 3 Button Mouse,usb,accessory: Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2VyHP )
1295380;1444363422;mircea_popescu;best be careful, lest at night it reassembles itself into a dulap.
1295381;1444363431;asciilifeform;it already looks quite like one...
1295382;1444363465;asciilifeform;http://www.xoticpc.com/images/accessories/mice/rat9_02.jpg
1295383;1444363467;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2VCHC )
1295384;1444363524;asciilifeform;(this is not clear from the photo, but the 'wings' are on long screws and... can move)
1295385;1444363567;mitch_callahan;and you can add weights to it
1295386;1444363570;phf;pretty sure that thing has a remote triggered cyanide injector. a "present" for ascii
1295387;1444363572;asciilifeform;various nice touches. e.g. the wheel well goes all the way through, does not collect shit like normal mouse
1295388;1444363605;*;mircea_popescu having homemade black forest with "alamos" chardonnay, supposedly "best seller in teh usa". it's not terribru.
1295389;1444363606;asciilifeform;phf: the weights ought to be trotyl
1295390;1444363621;mircea_popescu;pro tip : for the best cooler, pour mineral water in the icecream tray.
1295391;1444363671;asciilifeform;phf: lulzy gadget: draws so much current that the battery has to be changed daily. it pulls out, like pistol clip, and changes places with identical, included stick, that charges in the radio receiver
1295392;1444363679;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/10/08/new-york-judge-blocks-paul-smiths-college-changing-name-20-million-gift
1295393;1444363681;assbot;New York judge blocks Paul Smith's College from changing name for $20 million gift | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2VNTm )
1295394;1444363712;mircea_popescu;also, god fucking help the heretics with their white shit on the black forest cake. it's devil's food in ganache, not fucking light cream ffs.
1295395;1444363876;mircea_popescu;(meanwhile, substituting sour cherries + kirsch for banana slices + rum ; or caramelized pineapple and good cognac is legitimate.)
1295396;1444364252;phf;kids these days with their fancy mice. back in my day we had to clean mouse balls before each quake 1 match with wet wipes
1295397;1444364265;asciilifeform;l0l i still have one of those somewhere.
1295398;1444364290;asciilifeform;even got a sun photodiode mouse (but misplaced the reflector!)
1295399;1444364301;mitch_callahan;i remember my step mom would take that ball out as punishment. sucked.
1295400;1444364680;phf;i refused to use optical mouse for a long time, because my railgun technique involved upwards swipe, that would periodically glitch out with an optical mouse and would rotate completely randomly. good times.
1295401;1444364754;mircea_popescu;old optical mice were pretty shitty.
1295402;1444364792;mircea_popescu;then again, old ball mice... i had a straight lines and right angles genius. because molding plastic was hard in the 80s
1295403;1444364827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53550 @ 0.0005036 = 26.9678 BTC [+]
1295404;1444364865;phf;https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3395/3439554866_696f955b46.jpg one of these?
1295405;1444364866;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrTmNX )
1295406;1444364909;mircea_popescu;yeah but 3 buttons
1295407;1444364918;mircea_popescu;same exact button type tho, with that angle.
1295408;1444364943;hanbot;mircea_popescu how many lightbulbs can you turn on at a time with that?
1295409;1444364998;mircea_popescu;no because lightbulbs came after that
1295410;1444365074;mircea_popescu;anyway, they had a very heavy steel ball with a thin silicone covering.
1295411;1444365398;hanbot;�Online virtual currencies are clearly here to stay � no pun intended�, according to Mitch Callahan, Clearly Canadian�s Bitcoin Campaign Manager. << is that you btw, mitch_callahan?
1295412;1444365421;hanbot;!up mitch_callahan
1295413;1444365431;mitch_callahan;haha yep, that would be me
1295414;1444365451;mitch_callahan;lots of derping, doing "merchant" stuff
1295415;1444365465;mitch_callahan;pete_dushenski smacked some sense into me
1295416;1444365530;hanbot;oh hey, cool.
1295417;1444365627;mitch_callahan;i think those guys finally reached their goal a year later. i should have some clearly canadian to give away in the near future.  i cant remember what it cost me in btc, though.
1295418;1444365628;mircea_popescu;http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\
1295419;1444365630;assbot;Cryptsy seeking legal action against Mike Johnson | To The Moon ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrW2Lk )
1295420;1444365663;mircea_popescu;is clearly canadian some sort of alcohol ?
1295421;1444365716;mitch_callahan;its an old fruit flavoured beverage that was popular in the 80's and 90's
1295422;1444365718;hanbot;iirc it's an alt-cola
1295423;1444365764;mitch_callahan;a guy in the US bought the trademark and brought it back
1295424;1444365812;mircea_popescu;ah ah i recall now yea
1295425;1444365850;mircea_popescu;ironically the guy actually tried to get it on mpex, but this was back in the single digit times.\
1295426;1444365900;mitch_callahan;ha, what!
1295427;1444365951;mitch_callahan;he met a lot of people very quickly. iirc he had erik voorhees on the line, amongst others.  bitpay was pushing it, too.
1295428;1444366074;mitch_callahan;it jump started me in the space, mostly meeting people, seeing who's who.  started a meetup, etc etc.
1295429;1444366106;mircea_popescu;it would have been a horrible idea (as i pointed out at the time). a purely fiat business like selling fizz fits very poorly on bitcoin.
1295430;1444366125;mircea_popescu;next thing you know it runs up 10k% (as it did) and you're left paying pennies to the dollar to your investors, IN SPITE of having done a great job.
1295431;1444366307;mitch_callahan;it was those price movements that got them all paranoid, too and they stopped mentioning btc.
1295432;1444366317;mitch_callahan;man im surprised through his research he ended up chatting with you
1295433;1444366319;mitch_callahan;good on him
1295434;1444366373;mitch_callahan;in the early days, if one looked up bitcoin, one would find mpex shortly thereafter
1295435;1444366384;mitch_callahan;I discovered mpex about 2 minutes after i discovered bitcoin.
1295436;1444366392;mircea_popescu;not that different today really.
1295437;1444366402;mitch_callahan;piles of shit on top
1295438;1444366415;mircea_popescu;well depends on what is meant by research, of course
1295439;1444366421;mircea_popescu;so i guess.
1295440;1444366424;mitch_callahan;true story
1295441;1444366432;mitch_callahan;this is relatable to the google talk earlier
1295442;1444366758;mitch_callahan;one day mircea_popescu, you crossed my mind.  i visualized a bunch of shapes collapsing in on themselves.  it was the universe eating itself.
1295443;1444366782;mitch_callahan;i read the logs a few weeks later and it's what cazalla describes as the bitcoin hole I'm guessing
1295444;1444367209;mitch_callahan;anyhow, I need to rest.  night everyone.
1295445;1444367328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142000 @ 0.00049048 = 69.6482 BTC [-] {5} 
1295446;1444369341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00049998 = 16.1994 BTC [+]
1295447;1444370622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37116 @ 0.00048875 = 18.1404 BTC [-]
1295448;1444370626;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Is this corn-free?” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/is-this-corn-free/
1295449;1444373440;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295418 << Best I can tell Coinfire has friends in Law Enforcement, or is a Law enforcement guided OP
1295450;1444373440;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 04:40:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\
1295451;1444373588;BingoBoingo;re: Ball Mice. While they were a thing I don't remember a time "castration" wasn't a prank that plagued public computer labs.
1295452;1444374260;mircea_popescu;you think hangout ?
1295453;1444374269;mircea_popescu;i dunno, they seem pretty derpy.
1295454;1444374380;BingoBoingo;Law Enforcement generally seems derpy.
1295455;1444374421;BingoBoingo;And I mean... They go quiet when they get legal papers, as in their GAW reporting where it seemed they actually had law enforcement reports
1295456;1444374446;mircea_popescu;hm.\
1295457;1444374457;mircea_popescu;it certainly is a theory.
1295458;1444374472;mircea_popescu;would at least fit some more bizarre patterns observed.
1295459;1444374485;BingoBoingo;It's not a drunk theory. Came into it while walking tonight.
1295460;1444374518;BingoBoingo;They've got some awfully fucking bizarre patterns
1295461;1444374739;BingoBoingo;It's just very bizzare the particular way that they suck, yet still seem to get the information
1295462;1444374767;mircea_popescu;aha.
1295463;1444374805;mircea_popescu;and yet their bizarro PR is very consistent with "one derpy dude"
1295464;1444374817;mircea_popescu;all sorts of readily self-contradictory grandstanding and whatnot.
1295465;1444374820;mircea_popescu;it could be bitpay.
1295466;1444374882;*;mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost.
1295467;1444374917;BingoBoingo;Could be. Fuck it could be one derpy dude workin in Law enforcement and their 5% time project
1295468;1444374932;BingoBoingo;* mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost. << Those were some lulz
1295469;1444375489;BingoBoingo;!up Zuardi
1295470;1444375505;Zuardi;\o/
1295471;1444378309;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294246 <<< aka "no you don't need a fucking magic wand to go to school"
1295472;1444378309;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 17:20:17; mike_c: but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park.
1295473;1444378979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00049197 = 50.8279 BTC [+]
1295474;1444379087;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294459 <<< why? because 8 bits?
1295475;1444379087;assbot;Logged on 07-10-2015 22:24:07; ascii_field: because you cannot blockchain on it.
1295476;1444379262;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998257.msg12620721#msg12620721
1295477;1444379263;assbot;Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Opy0zg )
1295478;1444379268;BingoBoingo;davout: Because slow
1295479;1444379388;davout;"I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community." <<< win
1295480;1444380504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171800 @ 0.00049197 = 84.5204 BTC [+]
1295481;1444381419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72491 @ 0.00049197 = 35.6634 BTC [+]
1295482;1444383189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70936 @ 0.00048871 = 34.6671 BTC [-] {2} 
1295483;1444384370;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yep; i'm waiting for a mail from him should come later on today
1295484;1444385426;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/2015/10/09/32001-20151009ARTFIG00094-uber-accuse-son-principal-concurrent-d-espionnage.php <<< lulzy
1295485;1444385427;assbot;Uber accuse son principal concurrent d'espionnage ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhYdeO )
1295486;1444385451;davout;uber leaves keys on github repo, complains it gets raped
1295487;1444385994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134400 @ 0.00048958 = 65.7996 BTC [+] {4} 
1295488;1444386482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189100 @ 0.00048854 = 92.3829 BTC [-] {4} 
1295489;1444386646;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295382 << I can barely keep regular mouse clean, I wonder how dirty I'd make this in a week
1295490;1444386646;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 04:04:25; asciilifeform: http://www.xoticpc.com/images/accessories/mice/rat9_02.jpg
1295491;1444386731;punkman;(also couple MadCatz things I bought (long ago) barely worked and didn't last long)
1295492;1444386913;punkman;I should probably look for a dishwasher-safe mouse
1295493;1444387336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00049197 = 9.5196 BTC [+]
1295494;1444387558;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295202 << what kind of stupid shit is this now
1295495;1444387558;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 01:44:12; BingoBoingo: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design
1295496;1444387912;punkman;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/1-dead-dorm-shooting-northern-arizona-university-article-1.2391149
1295497;1444387913;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDr02U )
1295498;1444388373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104702 @ 0.0004905 = 51.3563 BTC [-]
1295499;1444388662;punkman;http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08265.html
1295500;1444388663;assbot;[openpgp] New fingerprint: to v5 or not to v5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1htXWg2 )
1295501;1444388769;davout;"This gained us the benefit of having a bijective connection between fingerprint and key." <<< lolwut
1295502;1444388860;punkman;from same thread: "If Collision attacks  become viable for SHA-1 fingerprints, then they would probably also  become viable for subkeys as well, and it might be possible for an  attacker to generate a subkey with a collision for the cross-certifying  signature, and be able to graft a false subkey onto a master key with a  SHA-1 signature, which would definitely be a key compromise."
1295503;1444389035;jurov;davout i guess because it can either hardly fit whole block into addressable memory and/or do ecdsa fast enough
1295504;1444389079;davout;jurov: i'd say it's the former (hence 8 bits) that makes it 'impossible', instead of simply 'impractical'
1295505;1444389112;davout;punkman: that would be pretty fucking serious indeed
1295506;1444389593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78750 @ 0.00048882 = 38.4946 BTC [-] {5} 
1295507;1444389715;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 688 @ 0.00459198 = 3.1593 BTC [-] {3} 
1295508;1444390800;punkman;http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08268.html nice list of bugs
1295509;1444390801;assbot;[openpgp] OpenPGP Armor Message specification ... ( http://bit.ly/1hu0ESU )
1295510;1444391484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55385 @ 0.00049111 = 27.2001 BTC [+] {2} 
1295511;1444391960;cazalla;"It is not compulsory to live in Australia, if you find Australian values are, you know, unpalatable, then there's a big wide world out there and people have got freedom of movement," Mr Turnbull said.
1295512;1444391976;cazalla;but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis
1295513;1444392221;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295449 <<< something is off, i'm sure you remember the claims of 30k traffic per day or whatever it was
1295514;1444392221;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 06:50:40; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295418 << Best I can tell Coinfire has friends in Law Enforcement, or is a Law enforcement guided OP
1295515;1444394412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57075 @ 0.00048798 = 27.8515 BTC [-] {3} 
1295516;1444395022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121450 @ 0.00048627 = 59.0575 BTC [-]
1295517;1444397380;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295512 <<< "we mean what we say until it's actually time to mean what we say"
1295518;1444397380;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 11:59:36; cazalla: but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis
1295519;1444397648;asciilifeform;'While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution.' << mega-l0l
1295520;1444397734;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295499 << lulzy, full of roaches
1295521;1444397734;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 11:04:22; punkman: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg08265.html
1295522;1444397759;asciilifeform;'Given that we are expecting to soon switch from RSA to ECC for improved security and that the current base of OpenPGP implementations supporting ECC is quite small, I would recommend not to allow a second fingerprint format for v4 keys but to bind a new fingerprint format to a v5 key packet version.' << who the fuck is 'we' ?!
1295523;1444397971;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295474 << entirely ~not~ because 8 bits.
1295524;1444397971;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 08:24:47; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1294459 <<< why? because 8 bits?
1295525;1444397995;asciilifeform;contrary to popular belief, you ~can~ address as much ram as you want on an 8-bit machine, using bank-switching
1295526;1444397996;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Death and Taxes used to be reputable.
1295527;1444398011;thestringpuller;Until the state of VA came and shut down his business.
1295528;1444398024;thestringpuller;he's been acting funny ever since then
1295529;1444398026;asciilifeform;z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl.
1295530;1444398028;asciilifeform;*clock
1295531;1444398059;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: see mircea_popescu's article
1295532;1444398088;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com DeathAndTaxes
1295533;1444398089;gribble;Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/>; Bitcoin Power Rangers - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm>
1295534;1444398097;asciilifeform;it
1295535;1444398830;thestringpuller;i wonder if a bitcoin company will call itself triangle in the future
1295536;1444398865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117600 @ 0.00049258 = 57.9274 BTC [+] {5} 
1295537;1444399109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00048627 = 3.1092 BTC [-]
1295538;1444399170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95006 @ 0.00048514 = 46.0912 BTC [-] {5} 
1295539;1444399665;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295525 << example for readers http://dmitry.gr/index.php?proj=07.+Linux+on+8bit&r=05.Projects
1295540;1444399665;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 13:39:55; asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, you ~can~ address as much ram as you want on an 8-bit machine, using bank-switching
1295541;1444399666;assbot;Linux on an 8-bit micro? - Dmitry Grinberg ... ( http://bit.ly/1LsV1Ms )
1295542;1444399825;thestringpuller;"uARM is certainly no speed demon. It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu ("exec init" and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer. The effective emulated CPU speed is about 6.5KHz, which is on par with what you'd expect emulating a 32-bit CPU & MMU on a measly 8-bit micro. Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usabl
1295543;1444399963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121230 @ 0.00048448 = 58.7335 BTC [-] {5} 
1295544;1444400024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18470 @ 0.00048402 = 8.9398 BTC [-] {2} 
1295545;1444400844;mircea_popescu;cazalla> but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis  << part of australia's values is hypocrisy. problem ?
1295546;1444400867;mircea_popescu;!up dexx
1295547;1444400870;mircea_popescu;lost yer key ?
1295548;1444400878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34060 @ 0.00048402 = 16.4857 BTC [-]
1295549;1444400933;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> '[derpage snipped]' << who the fuck is 'we' ?! << i think you know who the fuck is "we".
1295550;1444400936;mircea_popescu;them.
1295551;1444400998;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too.
1295552;1444401011;mircea_popescu;bitcoin puts a time limit on it, of course, but that's all. hence the clock issue.
1295553;1444401535;thestringpuller;time is always against us
1295554;1444401615;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so looking into the deathandtaxes he was "running a business" in the unknown interim to replace his bitcoin4cash business or whatever
1295555;1444401640;thestringpuller;the first one wasn't compliant but I think he applied for a fed license and he started acting weird after that.
1295556;1444403928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148050 @ 0.00048206 = 71.369 BTC [-] {6} 
1295557;1444404294;dexX7;mircea_popescu: i didn't know how i can voice myself with a different nick
1295558;1444407819;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1295559;1444408303;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295551 << ~you can~ scoop out the ocean with a tea cup, was the point. but not in time for anything.
1295560;1444408303;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 14:29:58; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too.
1295561;1444408981;BingoBoingo;http://talosintel.com/reports/TALOS-2015-0035/
1295562;1444408982;assbot;Talos Intel - Talos 2015 0035 ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3yRUB )
1295563;1444408993;BingoBoingo;"MiniUPnP Internet Gateway Device Protocol XML Parser Buffer Overflow"
1295564;1444409047;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: we expelled it from bitcoin for a reason.
1295565;1444409054;BingoBoingo;yeah
1295566;1444409124;ascii_field;btw 'talos' is a cheap front for burning old nsa holez
1295567;1444409149;ascii_field;see, e.g., their 'cisco struck a blow against hackerz!1111' idiocy
1295568;1444409168;thestringpuller;foundation's client has removed miniupnp?
1295569;1444409183;ascii_field;thestringpuller: one of the first things shot in the head
1295570;1444409284;ascii_field;ben_vulpes did this one >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2014#896151
1295571;1444409284;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2014 23:34:30; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks.
1295572;1444409351;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i'm not even sure how it works. possiubly not.
1295573;1444409375;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> btw 'talos' is a cheap front for burning old nsa holez << word.
1295574;1444409791;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1295575;1444410977;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row ahaha
1295576;1444410979;assbot;Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWEqVn )
1295577;1444411858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118188 @ 0.00048037 = 56.774 BTC [-]
1295578;1444415274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201125 @ 0.00048037 = 96.6144 BTC [-]
1295579;1444416311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17025 @ 0.00048408 = 8.2415 BTC [+]
1295580;1444416546;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1295581;1444416566;ascii_field;http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/07/amazon-launches-snowball-a-rugged-storage-appliance-for-importing-data-to-aws-by-fedex << lulzy. calls to mind the 'bandwidth of a boeing full of tape' ancient wisdom.
1295582;1444416568;assbot;Amazon Launches Snowball, A Rugged Storage Appliance For Importing Data To AWS By FedEx  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl1hft )
1295583;1444416680;ascii_field;http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/08/looncup << from same fishwrap.
1295584;1444416681;assbot;‘Smart Menstrual Cup’ Looncup Deciphers Your Flow  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl1j6Q )
1295585;1444416763;*;ascii_field can't wait for the remote expl0itz for these ^
1295586;1444416860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106151 @ 0.00048264 = 51.2327 BTC [-]
1295587;1444417531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00048012 = 50.3166 BTC [-] {4} 
1295588;1444419321;punkman;http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_800x600/HT/p2/2015/10/07/Pictures/russia-putin-universe-exhibition_d226b98a-6d0a-11e5-a9e2-597b09296f58.jpg
1295589;1444419322;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G32oOK )
1295590;1444419422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 157250 @ 0.00048482 = 76.2379 BTC [+] {3} 
1295591;1444419484;punkman;https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen "Volkswagen detects when your tests are being run in a CI server, and makes them pass."  hue
1295592;1444419485;assbot;auchenberg/volkswagen · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G32JAU )
1295593;1444419859;punkman;http://littlesis.org/maps/250-in-progress-the-cia-s-network-of-investments
1295594;1444419861;assbot;In Progress: The CIA's network of investments - LittleSis ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33v0D )
1295595;1444420167;punkman;http://www.evanjones.ca/tcp-and-ethernet-checksums-fail.html
1295596;1444420168;assbot;How both TCP and Ethernet checksums fail (evanjones.ca) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G34kXn )
1295597;1444420362;jurov;the putin pic is simply genial
1295598;1444420412;BingoBoingo;Lizards need homes too https://archive.is/L6U47
1295599;1444420412;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G34RbI )
1295600;1444420989;jurov;BingoBoingo: the link does not work
1295601;1444420995;jurov;in firefox
1295602;1444421028;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/national-geospatial-intelligence-agency-releases-study-of-st-louis-sites/article_f598dce5-2bef-5110-bceb-167b9646ae6a.html
1295603;1444421028;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G365Um )
1295604;1444421028;jurov;ok, original does
1295605;1444421056;BingoBoingo;Yeah, something went wrong, archive.is usually makes good pages. Posted archive link before completley scraped
1295606;1444421087;BingoBoingo;Just... The odd shit lizards say they look at when deciding on a home
1295607;1444421254;punkman;"The study also addressed St. Louis city's efforts to use eminent domain  and relocate residents to put together a 100-acre urban site for the  construction. It found that there would be "long-term beneficial effects  to individuals who are relocated."
1295608;1444421397;BingoBoingo;In other news, not just VW http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu
1295609;1444421398;assbot;Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G36MNJ )
1295610;1444421444;kakobrekla;related stories : VW emissions scandal is a one-off incident, says motor industry boss
1295611;1444421524;BingoBoingo;lol
1295612;1444421686;punkman;http://cdn.i24news.tv/upload/image/27d4f58fa5ca8689fe549394a791de21ad7a64fb.jpg more putin
1295613;1444421686;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G37k68 )
1295614;1444421791;punkman;http://www.cityam.com/225939/an-exhibition-in-hoxton-today-turns-vladimir-putin-into-batman-gandhi-and-pele
1295615;1444421792;assbot;An exhibition in Hoxton today turns Vladamir Putin into Batman, Gandhi and Pele | City A.M. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G37wlX )
1295616;1444422404;jurov;well, one is enough
1295617;1444422960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118394 @ 0.00048184 = 57.047 BTC [-] {2} 
1295618;1444423021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00047968 = 8.6131 BTC [-] {2} 
1295619;1444423936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88164 @ 0.000479 = 42.2306 BTC [-] {3} 
1295620;1444424729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72670 @ 0.00048602 = 35.3191 BTC [+] {4} 
1295621;1444425353;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1295622;1444425362;ascii_field;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italian-porn-actor-rocco-siffredi-launches-university-of-porn-for-aspiring-stars-a6684661.html
1295623;1444425363;assbot;Italian porn actor, Rocco Siffredi, launches ‘University of Porn’ for aspiring stars | Europe | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4zaBM )
1295624;1444425583;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 517 @ 0.00466962 = 2.4142 BTC [+] {2} 
1295625;1444425635;jurov;!t m x.eur
1295626;1444425635;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00458266 / 0.00462529 / 0.00467485 (1205 shares, 5.57 BTC), 7D: 0.00456956 / 0.00462269 / 0.00469879 (1736 shares, 8.02 BTC), 30D: 0.004 / 0.00466808 / 0.00492306 (5857 shares, 27.34 BTC)
1295627;1444427905;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Surviving young Pantagruels: a practical guide. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/surviving-young-pantagruels-a-practical-guide/
1295628;1444429548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62500 @ 0.00048091 = 30.0569 BTC [-]
1295629;1444431856;ag3nt_zer0;g'afternoon...
1295630;1444432049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00048091 = 27.989 BTC [-]
1295631;1444435771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78242 @ 0.00048229 = 37.7353 BTC [+] {3} 
1295632;1444436198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151550 @ 0.0004857 = 73.6078 BTC [+] {5} 
1295633;1444436292;mircea_popescu;!up Bingo_VACAY
1295634;1444436311;Bingo_VACAY;So many SPORTS this weekend
1295635;1444436363;Bingo_VACAY;Also potential gawker media tears
1295636;1444436626;Bingo_VACAY;;;later tell pete_dushenski Really artificial nipples? What happened to good old pig ears
1295637;1444436626;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295638;1444436747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109197 @ 0.00047923 = 52.3305 BTC [-] {2} 
1295639;1444436752;Bingo_VACAY;Gotta give the royal baby the best
1295640;1444436794;Bingo_VACAY;Dayum that was a lotto s.mpoe
1295641;1444436808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32803 @ 0.00047855 = 15.6979 BTC [-] {2} 
1295642;1444436948;punkman;http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3514298/thumbs/o-BEIJING-HONG-KONG-900.jpg
1295643;1444436950;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvaA6m )
1295644;1444437662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00047765 = 18.5806 BTC [-]
1295645;1444439614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79050 @ 0.00048704 = 38.5005 BTC [+] {3} 
1295646;1444441871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31537 @ 0.00048181 = 15.1948 BTC [-]
1295647;1444443396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102272 @ 0.0004817 = 49.2644 BTC [-] {2} 
1295648;1444444250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88050 @ 0.00048725 = 42.9024 BTC [+] {3} 
1295649;1444445165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135650 @ 0.00047884 = 64.9546 BTC [-] {3} 
1295650;1444445409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119015 @ 0.00047885 = 56.9903 BTC [+] {6} 
1295651;1444446690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00048441 = 19.11 BTC [+] {3} 
1295652;1444446995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72100 @ 0.00048904 = 35.2598 BTC [+] {3} 
1295653;1444447109;pete_dushenski;;;later tell bingoboingo pig ears ? never heard of this. must be some kinda gentile trick ;)
1295654;1444447109;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295655;1444447117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115500 @ 0.00049016 = 56.6135 BTC [+] {3} 
1295656;1444447161;pete_dushenski;and royal sir baby henry or whatever his name is, niko is not. my kid's pretty much a worm until he proves otherwise.
1295657;1444447169;pete_dushenski;a cute worm. a giant worm. but a worm.
1295658;1444447216;pete_dushenski;s/henry/george
1295659;1444447303;pete_dushenski;bingoboingo and even a pig ear is still an artificial nipple. not artificial in the sense of it being plastic, but in the sense of it being attached to a real woman's tit. so there's that.
1295660;1444447483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119700 @ 0.00049076 = 58.744 BTC [+] {2} 
1295661;1444447542;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294588 << independent test numbers are already cropping up. "fixed" cars are ~10% slower in 0-60mph AND have ~10% worse fuel economy.
1295662;1444447542;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 00:28:54; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically turns 2015 awesome diesels into 1980's diesels
1295663;1444447599;pete_dushenski;you'd basically have to be mentally retarded to take your vw/merc/mazda/anygoddamdiesel in to the dealership for any of the upcoming recalls. they WILL neuter your car and cost you money.
1295664;1444447662;pete_dushenski;and there's really no guarantee that the dealership wouldn't surreptitiously "fix" your ride even if you went in for something as innocuous as an oil change.
1295665;1444447693;pete_dushenski;basically, visiting a dealership for maintenance has become a legal and fiscal liability.
1295666;1444447745;pete_dushenski;not sure how this will play out for cars under warranty, but for cars off-warranty, the decision to use an independent shop has never been more clear cut
1295667;1444447901;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294601 << unless 'phone' camera, this is sop. just another reason kids like their swiss army knife iDiddles.
1295668;1444447901;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 00:55:27; mircea_popescu: man who the fuck was the bright mind that made the camera usb connector not also charge the camera while connected.
1295669;1444447928;cazalla;hey pete_dushenski, know much about car insurance?
1295670;1444447938;pete_dushenski;a bit. shoot.
1295671;1444448019;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294614 << tesla = ZiL ftr.
1295672;1444448019;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 00:58:54; BingoBoingo: "Establishment Motors introduces an all-wheel-drive crossover with three rows of seating. It features the exact same drivetrain as the Establishment Motors sedan, a car that has gone nearly unchanged since 2012, along with almost-identical exterior and interior styling. As shown, $143,000." << I called it: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a26911/the-tesla-model-x-is-iterative-not-revolutionary/
1295673;1444448058;cazalla;so i had a car accident like 6 weeks ago, young chick merges into my lane, does a bunch of superficial damage, lodge claim and gotta take it to panelbeaters on monday for a quote.. but given the car is 20 years old, i'd rather a cash settlement than the car having the damage fixed.. insurance company is open to the idea once i've got the quote done which i would gauge around $1,500 given the chick damaged 3 sections
1295674;1444448071;cazalla;i was gonna ask for a ball park figure of 2/3 of the quote, what do you think?
1295675;1444448104;pete_dushenski;http://siberianlight.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Stalin-Zil-Car.jpg << stalin with 'tesla' of the day
1295676;1444448106;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3MKCA )
1295677;1444448154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00048025 = 9.653 BTC [-]
1295678;1444448194;pete_dushenski;cazalla why not ask for 100% and negotiate from there if need be ?
1295679;1444448295;cazalla;i guess i was trying to be reasonable but i like your idea better now
1295680;1444448398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.0004806 = 41.0432 BTC [+] {2} 
1295681;1444448401;pete_dushenski;the worst that can happen is they say "no"
1295682;1444448418;pete_dushenski;but that's more information that you have now
1295683;1444448435;pete_dushenski;so yea, give'r and report back
1295684;1444448547;cazalla;will do
1295685;1444448577;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294680 << curiously, this padding of books is already happening at that usg electric car company that's never made a profit to date. r&d staff have been shed and have headed to... apple.
1295686;1444448577;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 01:35:13; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294670 << without having to perform any necromancy or wield crystal ball, i can tell you how it will go - precisely like the pharma pain of 1990s-present, where a corp is bought (present-day monsanto shares nothing at all with the monsanto that sold the first LED) - and 'useless eaters' like r&d folk are sacked to pad shareholder pockets
1295687;1444448632;pete_dushenski;i don't give much credit to this 'apple car' nonsense but hey, if the fag was dumb enough to do the iwatch, why not icar ?
1295688;1444448715;pete_dushenski;!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mitch_callahan.2:16e4556bb1302c8e9b84deaa606f7bca999237ba499d15b5bf5c8e3c3d6688cd
1295689;1444448716;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mitch_callahan with note: we've shared some drinks.
1295690;1444448841;mitch_callahan;ahhhhhh
1295691;1444448845;mitch_callahan;to be voiced once again
1295692;1444448866;mitch_callahan;man when my key expired I was trippin balls.  losing ones voice isn't fun!
1295693;1444448898;mitch_callahan;cazalla, the same thing happened to me once.. with the car.  though the cost to fix it was way higher than the car's value, so it would have been written off.
1295694;1444448925;pete_dushenski;mitch_callahan what do you mean 'would have been' ?
1295695;1444448955;mitch_callahan;actually good question, I never got that far.
1295696;1444448963;mitch_callahan;in my scenario, the guy didnt wanna go through insurance, so he didnt hesitate with a cash settlement
1295697;1444448996;mitch_callahan;would have been = insurance wouldnt have fixed the car, rather give me some cash, i think.
1295698;1444449012;cazalla;mitch_callahan, well this is actually through the insurance company but i assume they'll just pass the info on to the driver and she'll cough up the cash settlement if they agree.. maybe insurance company does it, nfi
1295699;1444449031;mitch_callahan;lol
1295700;1444449035;mitch_callahan;how bad is the visual damage ?
1295701;1444449038;cazalla;but my run about is worth maybe 2500 AUD, it is mechanically fine, just looks shit
1295702;1444449062;cazalla;she scratched the fuck out of the rear passenger, back of the bumper bar and above the bumper bar near petrol tank hole
1295703;1444449071;mitch_callahan;anything fall off ?
1295704;1444449109;cazalla;nope, was peak hour traffic so only going like 40 km/ph, nfi why she even merged, sorta lucky i didn't see her or i might've reacted by swerving
1295705;1444449159;pete_dushenski;cazalla http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/09/surviving-young-pantagruels-a-practical-guide/#comment-32918
1295706;1444449160;assbot;Surviving young Pantagruels: a practical guide. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hvqohD )
1295707;1444449204;cazalla;just wait until you start finding a hand peaking out the top
1295708;1444449233;pete_dushenski;that was weeks ago already !
1295709;1444449270;pete_dushenski;"Titanium- or kevlar-reinforced weaves are recommended for true Pantagruels." << not entirely a joke.
1295710;1444449358;cazalla;next time around i don't think i'd bother with swaddling and just go straight for the sleeping bag, but to each their own
1295711;1444449374;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294727 << hockey has baseball beat. baseball has more players but hockey allows more punches before the fight's broken up. also, on ice !
1295712;1444449374;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 02:44:11; BingoBoingo: Baseball, the best combat sport http://m.mlb.com/news/article/153640110/cubs-pirates-empty-benches-in-wild-card-game
1295713;1444449409;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294736 << making soups this summer ?
1295714;1444449409;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 03:31:02; cazalla: nice to sit down with a beer after shelling over 9000 broad beans
1295715;1444449498;cazalla;made a bunch of spicy baked beans as a snack food but tbh, i don't think i'll bother growing broad beans again (was the first time)
1295716;1444449516;cazalla;baked as in in the oven for snack food, not canned tomato baked beans
1295717;1444449567;pete_dushenski;sounds tasty
1295718;1444449574;cazalla;kid isn't too fancied on them either, spat them out.. that and mangoes (nfi on that one)
1295719;1444449749;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294956 << wonder what 'a few months' means. big difference between 3 and 6 in practical terms, perhaps just as meaningful as the cost.
1295720;1444449749;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 18:23:11; ascii_field: 'Concretely, we estimate the SHA-1 collision cost today (i.e., Fall 2015) between 75K$ and 120K$ renting Amazon EC2 cloud computing over a few months.'
1295721;1444449793;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294987 << pretty sure ashley maddisonists thought the same thing. they were wrong.
1295722;1444449793;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 19:18:42; jcpham: anyways I'm glad i had bitvps qm destroy my vm months ago
1295723;1444449984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118550 @ 0.0004771 = 56.5602 BTC [-] {5} 
1295724;1444450009;pete_dushenski;!up Bingo_VACAY
1295725;1444450025;Bingo_VACAY;Hello
1295726;1444450071;Bingo_VACAY;I love how Gawker media turned my team into the most hated in baseball
1295727;1444450161;Bingo_VACAY;And all because the person Denton bought the sport site from is a Cardinals fan
1295728;1444450290;Bingo_VACAY;Also pete_dushenski the pigs ear is for nutritive pacification, check the pet aisle at the store
1295729;1444450363;Bingo_VACAY;Big babies need big Brotein
1295730;1444450512;Bingo_VACAY;And if you insist on kosher you can try "bully sticks"
1295731;1444450619;cazalla;Bingo_VACAY, prob not bad for teething but still pretty out there lol
1295732;1444450638;Bingo_VACAY;Basically jerkey-ified bull dong
1295733;1444450687;Bingo_VACAY;Nah cazalla you just dun understand our culture
1295734;1444450737;cazalla;any nice ladies out and about tonight?
1295735;1444450761;Bingo_VACAY;In tonight mostly, too many sports.
1295736;1444450943;Bingo_VACAY;Actually atm watching SVU classics in honor of how StL butthurt Chicago tonight
1295737;1444450960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57522 @ 0.00048098 = 27.6669 BTC [+]
1295738;1444450998;cazalla;mariska hargitay not a bad piece of ass eh
1295739;1444451012;Bingo_VACAY;Not at all
1295740;1444451044;Bingo_VACAY;Definitely could get it
1295741;1444451155;cazalla;the only milf i fancy a bit more is nigella
1295742;1444451212;cazalla;bit of a shame that she got aids and lost all the curves
1295743;1444451246;Bingo_VACAY;Tonight's game though was like Stabler getting sodomized because Fuck chicago
1295744;1444451466;Bingo_VACAY;This year's MLB playoffs are Six of Usia's biggest cities and two Missouri cow towns
1295745;1444451563;cazalla;world series eh.. featuring america vs america
1295746;1444451576;Bingo_VACAY;Playoffs are NYC, shitcago, LA, Toronto, Dallas, and Houston. Then KC and StL
1295747;1444451618;cazalla;maybe i'll get back into sporto sports once kid is old enough to participate
1295748;1444451654;cazalla;i sorta like the idea of guiding my wolf pack of young aspiring soccer players on tues/thurs arvos and sat morn games
1295749;1444451677;Bingo_VACAY;Hey, in actual world baseball last year US lost to part of the US (Puerto Rico) Dominicans took it all
1295750;1444451739;Bingo_VACAY;Oh, those SVU episodes where both parents confess to killing the kid in different ways
1295751;1444451796;pete_dushenski;Bingo_VACAY:Basically jerkey-ified bull dong << lel. wonder if this is what ben_vulpes uses for his beast (and will use for beast-soon-to-be!)
1295752;1444451822;cazalla;Bingo_VACAY, that's because they're high on HGH.. hispanics getting homeruns
1295753;1444451894;cazalla;!up Bingo_VACAY
1295754;1444451898;Bingo_VACAY;Pete everyone I know with dog uses such for chew time
1295755;1444451916;Bingo_VACAY;Me be Cazalla
1295756;1444451936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186000 @ 0.00049184 = 91.4822 BTC [+] {4} 
1295757;1444451986;Bingo_VACAY;HGH is more an off season drug
1295758;1444451990;cazalla;Bingo_VACAY, ya ever watched jackie robinson charlie brown parody?
1295759;1444452004;Bingo_VACAY;Robs endurance performance
1295760;1444452026;cazalla;seeing ya like baseball so much
1295761;1444452032;cazalla;;;later tell bingoboingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7xFrJxdIBg
1295762;1444452033;assbot;Jackie Robinson Was The First Black Baseball Player, Charlie Brown (2010) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3Q4h8 )
1295763;1444452033;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295764;1444452058;Bingo_VACAY;May have to find it, because Fuck JewTuber
1295765;1444452080;cazalla;can always watch on mostoffensivevideo.com
1295766;1444452102;Bingo_VACAY;Or on.nimp.org
1295767;1444452121;cazalla;blocked by ublock
1295768;1444452134;Bingo_VACAY;For good reason
1295769;1444452142;cazalla;lemon party type shit?
1295770;1444452149;Bingo_VACAY;Worse
1295771;1444452188;cazalla;the fuck you on here anyway
1295772;1444452192;cazalla;go pick up some black chicks
1295773;1444452226;pete_dushenski;Bingo_VACAY: This year's MLB playoffs are Six of Usia's biggest cities and two Missouri cow towns << hey now, what kinda sloppy geography is this. toronto might be on the great lakes but it's firmly in canuckistan.
1295774;1444452249;Bingo_VACAY;Canuckindependence is a myth
1295775;1444452249;cazalla;going da club and ircing is like the i wish i was at home meme http://i.imgur.com/brtyC2L.jpg
1295776;1444452249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G3Qh3G )
1295777;1444452370;Bingo_VACAY;Pete Toronto is just white boy Detroit
1295778;1444452404;mitch_callahan;lol how are Toronto and Detroit related
1295779;1444452405;pete_dushenski;nah, not by a million miles. toronto is vancouver without the views.
1295780;1444452428;pete_dushenski;iirc mitch_callahan was living in toronto for a while, may still be
1295781;1444452442;Bingo_VACAY;Mitch, by failed industry
1295782;1444452463;mitch_callahan;yea that would be further south in Ontario, not so much Toronto
1295783;1444452480;cazalla;always wanted to visit canada to check out degrassi
1295784;1444452488;mitch_callahan;Toronto is mostly bankers
1295785;1444452508;pete_dushenski;o hey blue jays leading rangers 2-0 in serious. waddyaknow
1295786;1444452514;pete_dushenski;series*
1295787;1444452545;mitch_callahan;i thought Toronto lost ?
1295788;1444452628;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes ever get to the bottom of this ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1295040 inquiring minds would like to know how trb co-chair's node is doing
1295789;1444452628;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 23:25:39; ben_vulpes: mod6: interdasting, mine crapped out last night too
1295790;1444452629;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295791;1444452754;Bingo_VACAY;World Series prolly going to be Mets-Toronto Cardinals-Toronto or I-70 series on the 20th anniversary of the last one
1295792;1444452805;Bingo_VACAY;I give the Cards the edge, because they win in spite of their Manager
1295793;1444452876;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295152 << seconded. yes, a blog can be a slog. yes, you sometimes go ~days~ without having the time to tend to it. but there's really no replacement for it. so stay up until 1am, get up at 5am, whatever you have to do, do it. a blog that isn't updated once a week is dead. and no one wants that necrotised weight hanging around their necks.
1295794;1444452876;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 01:21:57; mircea_popescu: the "chore" of having and maintaining blogs is NOT negotiable. you must, you MUST be your own facebook washington post vice gawker etc.
1295795;1444453169;mitch_callahan;^ i've been slackin'.
1295796;1444453189;pete_dushenski;some might contest that a blog not updated once a ~day~ is dead, which happened to be the standard that i held myself to pre-child. now: twice a week on the blog and once a day in irc seems more sensible.
1295797;1444453197;mitch_callahan;does everyone in ba have a blog?  im all caught up on trilema, contravex and qntra.  i suppose i can check out ben_vulpes blog.
1295798;1444453218;pete_dushenski;alf has a blog too: loper-os
1295799;1444453240;pete_dushenski;jurov has explo.yt
1295800;1444453255;pete_dushenski;davout has franco.is
1295801;1444453279;pete_dushenski;or what was davout's again...
1295802;1444453368;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_ has frass.woodcoin.org
1295803;1444453408;pete_dushenski;williamdunne had one too, something with that giant robot in the header...
1295804;1444453419;mitch_callahan;lol it was like "straight gangsta shit" or something
1295805;1444453424;mitch_callahan;franco.is << not working
1295806;1444453461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53318 @ 0.00048908 = 26.0768 BTC [-]
1295807;1444453522;pete_dushenski;mitch_callahan ya, saw that, but can't recall exactly what it was now !
1295808;1444453530;cazalla;try fr.anco.is
1295809;1444453551;cazalla;tried search but no luck, but the assbot? rss has em all
1295810;1444453562;pete_dushenski;hanbot has thewhet.net
1295811;1444453609;pete_dushenski;aha fr.anco.is << davout's blog !
1295812;1444453615;pete_dushenski;i was close.
1295813;1444453637;mitch_callahan;yep
1295814;1444453638;pete_dushenski;mike_c has btcalpha
1295815;1444453642;mitch_callahan;ok plenty of reading material
1295816;1444453650;pete_dushenski;lol ya i'll stop now
1295817;1444453667;mitch_callahan;ben_vulpes needs an RSS feed ;)
1295818;1444453704;pete_dushenski;ben's too cool for wp iirc
1295819;1444453748;mitch_callahan;yea i remember reading he's HTML only
1295820;1444453954;cazalla;looks like szabo unfollowed @qntra again, gee make ur mind up
1295821;1444454154;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295370 << ok. i've ordered one too now. gotta see this rat9 thing for myself.
1295822;1444454154;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 04:00:11; asciilifeform: 'rat 9'
1295823;1444454241;mitch_callahan;cazalla, what happened to @captaincazalla ?
1295824;1444454264;cazalla;ah i shitcanned that long ago mitch_callahan, social media gives one a sense of unwarranted importance
1295825;1444454273;mitch_callahan;ha that it does
1295826;1444454280;mitch_callahan;it's referenced on the qntra description
1295827;1444454316;cazalla;really? thought i removed it
1295828;1444454330;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295415 << to your credit, i've smacked a lot of kids over the years and exceedingly few have made it so far as to read logs, much less make pgp keys, much less register them, etc.
1295829;1444454330;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 04:37:45; mitch_callahan: pete_dushenski smacked some sense into me
1295830;1444454367;mitch_callahan;lol i feared the wrath, your voice lodged in the back of my head
1295831;1444454383;mitch_callahan;cazalla yep still there
1295832;1444454394;cazalla;where? link please
1295833;1444454480;mitch_callahan;http://screencast.com/t/g5USqQpay4
1295834;1444454482;assbot;2015-10-10_0120 - Saucal's library ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqkxbW )
1295835;1444454523;cazalla;ah on twitter.. i'll fix that now
1295836;1444454536;mitch_callahan;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295491 << they used to be a super cheap brand, with dollar store quality stuff.  it seems they've shifted to more premium goods.
1295837;1444454536;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 10:32:11; punkman: (also couple MadCatz things I bought (long ago) barely worked and didn't last long)
1295838;1444454589;cazalla;ya know i looked up those eizo monitors.. they have a gaming monitor.. for like 2k, decided i was not that much of a gamer
1295839;1444454604;mitch_callahan;their keyboards look intense
1295840;1444454625;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295502 << can't say i've ever understood subkeys, but i'd previously assumed that this was my noobish level of crytographic and technological comprehension. then i read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284565 and was ever so pleasantly surprised to find my confusion and wariness warranted !
1295841;1444454625;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 11:07:40; punkman: from same thread: "If Collision attacks  become viable for SHA-1 fingerprints, then they would probably also  become viable for subkeys as well, and it might be possible for an  attacker to generate a subkey with a collision for the cross-certifying  signature, and be able to graft a false subkey onto a master key with a  SHA-1 signature, which would definitely be a key compromise."
1295842;1444454625;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 03:18:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys'
1295843;1444454626;cazalla;funny i never see em mentioned anywhere in gaming forums though, looks a much better monitor than my benq 120hz
1295844;1444454702;cazalla;foris fg2421 looks awesome though 240hz
1295845;1444454781;mitch_callahan;caz what do you think of the ultrawide monitors ?
1295846;1444454785;mitch_callahan;http://www.lg.com/ca_en/desktop-monitors/lg-29UC97C-B-219-ultrawide-monitors
1295847;1444454786;assbot;LG 29UC97C-B | UltraWide Curved Monitor | 29 Inch IPS Monitor | LG Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqkHAa )
1295848;1444454815;cazalla;i guess it depends on what you're using it for, and if gaming, what sort of games
1295849;1444454829;cazalla;big screen is nice, but not at the expense of refresh rate when it comes to games like csgo
1295850;1444454894;mitch_callahan;yea i'm not much of a gamer but i'll take that into consideration.
1295851;1444454902;cazalla;http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014241 is what i have, great for fps and strat, prob not ideal for desktop use
1295852;1444454904;assbot;BenQ XL2410T Black 23.6" 2ms HDMI Swivel & Height Adjustable 3D-Ready Widescreen LED Backlighting LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10,000,000:1 (1,000:1) - Newegg.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqkLQm )
1295853;1444454955;cazalla;i believe there are some 144hz aroud now, and that eizo is 240hz which would be awesome but a bit $$$ unless you have aspirations of the pros or something
1295854;1444454983;pete_dushenski;mitch_callahan the 34" version of that monitor holds some appeal for me but i'd have to see it in the metal first. $1k isn't outlandish either.
1295855;1444455056;mitch_callahan;they look pretty sweet, from a 1 minute demo it felt more comfortable than 2 monitors side by side.
1295856;1444455091;cazalla;miss the old 16:10, all the new gaming monitors are fucking 16:9
1295857;1444455111;cazalla;cuz muh 1080p
1295858;1444455129;pete_dushenski;mitch_callahan aha
1295859;1444455302;pete_dushenski;"Grindr users are not that gay, at least according to a new survey." << bwahahaha ! 'best survey of the day' award goes to this guy, whoever he is.
1295860;1444455401;cazalla;ya think there might be chicks on there trying to turn gay men straight?
1295861;1444455440;mitch_callahan;this happened to me: i was sitting at a dinner table, and the married guy next to me got a push notification from grindr.
1295862;1444455463;mitch_callahan;not really sure what's goin on there
1295863;1444455499;pete_dushenski;'open-minded' mostly.
1295864;1444455506;cazalla;rather glad i came of age before all this app hook up shit came around
1295865;1444455536;cazalla;if ya were desperate, and many times at 18 i was, ya could hang around till 3am close and people would mix and match given that was the close
1295866;1444455570;cazalla;but now even the most ugly hamplanets can jump on whatever app and find someone within 50km radius (and you know these cunts will drive 500km at just a whiff of cunt)
1295867;1444455616;pete_dushenski;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/sports/ncaafootball/beer-alcohol-college-football-west-virginia.html << one for bingoboingo
1295868;1444455619;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oql65I )
1295869;1444455652;pete_dushenski;cazalla ya that apps do no one any favours
1295870;1444455670;pete_dushenski;shit's the anti-wot
1295871;1444455700;pete_dushenski;s/that/those
1295872;1444456014;cazalla;up! Bingo_VACAY
1295873;1444456019;cazalla;ya bag some black bitches yet or what
1295874;1444456022;cazalla;!up Bingo_VACAY
1295875;1444456024;Bingo_VACAY;For the record intra is a full stack news organization, just most is still in the pants
1295876;1444456043;pete_dushenski;http://jihadology.net/2015/10/05/the-archivist-unseen-islamic-state-financial-accounts-for-deir-az-zor-province/ << "The suggested siege-like strategy to trigger a collapse from within is impossible to realize in the current circumstances, as one cannot wholly isolate IS territory from interactions with the outside world, and so cash flows will continue."
1295877;1444456044;assbot;The Archivist: Unseen Islamic State Financial Accounts for Deir az-Zor Province | JIHADOLOGY ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqlotc )
1295878;1444456047;Bingo_VACAY;*intra
1295879;1444456070;Bingo_VACAY;*qntra
1295880;1444456086;pete_dushenski;lol
1295881;1444456356;cazalla;AP had something on isis and nukes other day
1295882;1444456363;mitch_callahan;ok, outtie.  cheers amigos!
1295883;1444456369;cazalla;ah there we go https://twitter.com/AP/status/651562898100252672
1295884;1444456379;cazalla;pew pew pew IS require more vespene gas
1295885;1444456876;pete_dushenski;lol
1295886;1444456938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99000 @ 0.00048584 = 48.0982 BTC [-]
1295887;1444456939;pete_dushenski;http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1462800/inside-north-korea.jpg << ok. how the shit is this 'Ryugyong Hotel' in pyongyang real ?!
1295888;1444456940;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqlYqV )
1295889;1444456990;pete_dushenski;yes, mega-pyramid is supposedly 105 stories. seriously. wtf.
1295890;1444457070;pete_dushenski;"Construction began in 1987 but was halted in 1992 as North Korea entered a period of economic crisis after the fall of the Soviet Union. After 1992 the building stood topped out, but without any windows or interior fittings. In 2008 construction resumed. In 2011, the exterior was completed. The opening of the hotel has been scheduled several times but postponed." << retardopedia to the rescue.
1295891;1444457085;pete_dushenski;so it's a big empty useless shell. well that makes more sense now.
1295892;1444457178;pete_dushenski;here i was, however momentarily, imagining that it served some practical and unimaginably posh purpose. other than 'look at me'.
1295893;1444457266;pete_dushenski;actually, i thought it was a photochop at first. 'official photo of pyongyang' style. but whatever.
1295894;1444457658;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b30
1295895;1444457693;cazalla;the nk women look alright
1295896;1444457880;pete_dushenski;not totally terribru
1295897;1444457951;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-10-2015#1295243 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883711
1295898;1444457951;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 01:56:06; asciilifeform: my original observation, though, stands - the time to stop thinking of pgp 64bit fp as 'the man' is not when arbitrarily colliding sha1 costs a penny! it is now.
1295899;1444457951;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2014 18:51:51; asciilifeform: http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
1295900;1444457969;pete_dushenski;fingerprints are fingerprints.
1295901;1444458829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101800 @ 0.00048908 = 49.7883 BTC [+]
1295902;1444459138;pete_dushenski;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQUeqrhUsAApPLt.png << china vs. usistan.
1295903;1444459138;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jV0h5y )
1295904;1444459162;*;pete_dushenski to dream a dream
1295905;1444459208;cazalla;fucking car accidents kill more but still with the gun drama
1295906;1444459279;cazalla;we've got demonstrations down under all over muslims because some 15 year old popped a chink in the head coming outta the cop shop https://twitter.com/hashtag/bendigo?data_id=tweet%3A652637516625870848&f=images&vertical=default&src=tren
1295907;1444459281;assbot;Hashtag #bendigo sur Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1jV0BkI )
1295908;1444459339;cazalla; and the muslims wanna build a mosque but hey, why not, more teenagers running the streets popping cops in the back of the head in australia where guns are banned
1295909;1444459461;cazalla;our data retention (officially) starts in a few days, on the 14th of october too
1295910;1444459561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5594 @ 0.00048583 = 2.7177 BTC [-] {2} 
1295911;1444459595;cazalla;ya fucking free to go whether ya like, australia ain't "compulsory to live in Australia" (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/malcolm-turnbull-plea-for-mutual-respect-after-parramatta-murder/6841892) unless ya actually do want to leave in which case eep ya can't go to syria because it is illegal for you to leave https://www.livingsafetogether.gov.au/informationadvice/Pages/ConflictinSyria/ConflictinSyrialegalinformationforAustralians.aspx
1295912;1444459622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145606 @ 0.00048573 = 70.7252 BTC [-] {2} 
1295913;1444459744;cazalla;ya'd think if there were supposed australians who want to leave australia and fight in syria, that you'd let 'em leave and bomb them when they arrive, but instead the australian government will work tirelessly to keep "australians" who don't want to reside in australia from leaving australia so that they remain and shoot up random people in the street instead
1295914;1444459795;cazalla;guess they can't fucking figure out where these australians actually are once they leave hte country, easier to keep at home therefore can publish in the media that we got dem terrorists
1295915;1444459805;punkman;cazalla, maybe they know they can't do shit if they let them leave
1295916;1444459823;cazalla;well yeah we are in agreement
1295917;1444459978;cazalla;they can't even do shit while they're here let alone overseas
1295918;1444459987;cazalla;just fkn nuke it from orbit already
1295919;1444460392;punkman;http://ihorror.com/donald-trump-photoshopped-into-horror-movies-is-internet-gold/
1295920;1444460393;assbot;Donald Trump Photoshopped into Horror Movies is Internet Gold - iHorror ... ( http://bit.ly/1jV37aR )
1295921;1444460537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136915 @ 0.00048457 = 66.3449 BTC [-] {3} 
1295922;1444462489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78050 @ 0.00048287 = 37.688 BTC [-]
1295923;1444462611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.0004804 = 30.3132 BTC [-] {5} 
1295924;1444463404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162150 @ 0.0004781 = 77.5239 BTC [-] {3} 
1295925;1444464807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00048724 = 12.3759 BTC [+]
1295926;1444464874;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/technology/twitter-expected-to-begin-layoffs-and-stop-headquarters-expansion.html
1295927;1444464877;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKpN9y )
1295928;1444464934;punkman;n/t
1295929;1444464949;punkman;I'm bringing back n/t
1295930;1444464958;cazalla;fucking movies, all shit
1295931;1444464960;cazalla;ya got like 3 options
1295932;1444464969;cazalla;first blood part 2
1295933;1444464972;cazalla;alien/aliens
1295934;1444464975;cazalla;terminator 2
1295935;1444464980;cazalla;the rest? meh
1295936;1444465032;punkman;wasn't it terminator 5 or something?
1295937;1444465051;cazalla;terminator over 9000 at this point
1295938;1444465066;punkman;he will be back
1295939;1444465082;cazalla;mebe you give 3 a pass if ya desperate
1295940;1444465115;cazalla;ya know i remember when t2 was in cinema and thinking, i gotta see this movie
1295941;1444465118;cazalla;but nope, too much violence
1295942;1444465122;cazalla;but i fucking saw it in the end
1295943;1444465136;cazalla;sure, t3 has no furlong, but i'll accept it
1295944;1444465158;cazalla;but this terminator genesis, terminator salvation
1295945;1444465159;cazalla;fuck you!
1295946;1444465259;cazalla;even the movies can't keep the bs alive
1295947;1444465287;punkman;you can watch 20+ year old movies, they go up to 1995 now :P
1295948;1444465381;cazalla;well, can include Casino in that list then
1295949;1444465606;cazalla;how did a generation raised on such movies, even demolition man and ya golden eyes turn intos such cuck tumblr faggots
1295950;1444466637;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42959 @ 0.00047715 = 20.4979 BTC [-]
1295951;1444469077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00047573 = 17.3166 BTC [-]
1295952;1444469382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151258 @ 0.00047755 = 72.2333 BTC [+] {3} 
1295953;1444470602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45684 @ 0.00047941 = 21.9014 BTC [+]
1295954;1444472493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 284645 @ 0.00047586 = 135.4512 BTC [-] {5} 
1295955;1444472737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.0004741 = 41.0097 BTC [-] {5} 
1295956;1444473103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85900 @ 0.0004735 = 40.6737 BTC [-] {3} 
1295957;1444473469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17493 @ 0.00047941 = 8.3863 BTC [+] {2} 
1295958;1444473530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42657 @ 0.00047996 = 20.4737 BTC [+]
1295959;1444473712;ben_vulpes;;;later tell pete_dushenski i knocked it over, hasn't misbehaved since
1295960;1444473712;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295961;1444473756;ben_vulpes;;;later tell mitch_callahan look harder
1295962;1444473757;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1295963;1444473762;ben_vulpes;also wtf is this rss wp equivalence
1295964;1444473896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25675 @ 0.00047335 = 12.1533 BTC [-]
1295965;1444474384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61026 @ 0.00048121 = 29.3663 BTC [+] {3} 
1295966;1444475116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12613 @ 0.00048628 = 6.1334 BTC [+]
1295967;1444475978;punkman;http://beta.trtworld.com/turkey/terror-attack-kills-30-wounds-many-in-turkeys-ankara-9171
1295968;1444475979;assbot;Terror attack kills 30, wounds many in Turkey’s Ankara | TRTWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKUrol )
1295969;1444476032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00048628 = 10.1389 BTC [+]
1295970;1444476397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40049 @ 0.00048628 = 19.475 BTC [+] {2} 
1295971;1444476458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63951 @ 0.00048697 = 31.1422 BTC [+]
1295972;1444477817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform agreed re subkeys. tho i think we had agreed on this before.
1295973;1444477928;PeterL;What is the point of subkeys?
1295974;1444478068;ben_vulpes;PeterL: airgapped master key and subkey for hauling around
1295975;1444478088;ben_vulpes;or demonstrating your ignorance of important things
1295976;1444478096;ben_vulpes;it's usually the latter for me
1295977;1444478105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66550 @ 0.00048696 = 32.4072 BTC [-] {2} 
1295978;1444478615;mircea_popescu;logically there's no point. it's one of those things that were intended to be practically usefull/streamlined etc that backfired.
1295979;1444478628;mircea_popescu;automatic trust turns out to be the hardest problem in computing atm
1295980;1444478651;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly, as it's the one bit of ai we actually turn out to need (as opposed to starstrucklingly WANT, a la sussman & co)
1295981;1444478853;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: did you ever do a piece on the mailing list/prediction scam where the operator keeps splitting the list on predictions until he's down to a tenth of the original list who've only seen him make winning predictions?
1295982;1444478868;kakobrekla;he did.
1295983;1444478885;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
1295984;1444478891;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P65m7V )
1295985;1444478897;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/\
1295986;1444478898;assbot;Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P65jZS )
1295987;1444478898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99344 @ 0.00048486 = 48.1679 BTC [-] {2} 
1295988;1444478909;ben_vulpes;nifty, ty
1295989;1444478942;mircea_popescu;trinque did it choke ?
1295990;1444478950;mircea_popescu;sorry, it's ~7mb, but i gotta do this.
1295991;1444478991;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1295992;1444478999;mircea_popescu;o hey. cool.
1295993;1444479034;PeterL;you are lucky deedbot does not charge based on size
1295994;1444479060;mircea_popescu;kinda designed that way from the get-go.
1295995;1444479085;mircea_popescu;however that decoupling does mean trinque is stguck with a blockchain, which... he gets credits for hosting.
1295996;1444479325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113084 @ 0.00047781 = 54.0327 BTC [-] {3} 
1295997;1444479935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57900 @ 0.00047807 = 27.6803 BTC [+]
1295998;1444480667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119768 @ 0.00047371 = 56.7353 BTC [-] {5} 
1295999;1444481155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31066 @ 0.00047329 = 14.7032 BTC [-]
1296000;1444481163;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295664 << prolly "legally mandated" through the untransparent cvasi-legal process known as "regulation".
1296001;1444481163;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 03:27:42; pete_dushenski: and there's really no guarantee that the dealership wouldn't surreptitiously "fix" your ride even if you went in for something as innocuous as an oil change.
1296002;1444481168;mircea_popescu;as if this may ever be a thing.
1296003;1444481229;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295674 << seems pretty much exactly standard fare.
1296004;1444481229;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 03:34:31; cazalla: i was gonna ask for a ball park figure of 2/3 of the quote, what do you think?
1296005;1444481363;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295718 << no working penis yet.
1296006;1444481363;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 03:59:34; cazalla: kid isn't too fancied on them either, spat them out.. that and mangoes (nfi on that one)
1296007;1444481432;ben_vulpes;re previous deed: i briefly went hunting for prehistoric gnupg or pgp source recently. does anyone have copies?
1296008;1444481460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104175 @ 0.00047325 = 49.3008 BTC [-] {3} 
1296009;1444481519;mircea_popescu;can you define prehistoric ?
1296010;1444481558;ben_vulpes;i was hoping to find that which was printed out and airplaned around during the "crypto wars"
1296011;1444481568;ben_vulpes;!up Vexual
1296012;1444481651;mircea_popescu;hm.
1296013;1444481724;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/gnupg/historic/ perhaps useful.
1296014;1444481725;assbot;Index of /gnupg/historic ... ( http://bit.ly/1WTbodE )
1296015;1444481740;mircea_popescu;iirc 0.10 should be it
1296016;1444481755;punkman;gnupg wasn't made in USA, so no printing and mailing
1296017;1444481787;ben_vulpes;punkman: so pgp'd be the one i'm looking for?
1296018;1444481809;mircea_popescu;punkman afaik gnupg actually started with the zimmerman code at some point
1296019;1444481812;punkman;yeah, but I don't see why
1296020;1444481836;punkman;mircea_popescu: probably
1296021;1444481841;mircea_popescu;why ? i suppose the man likes to read. i don't imagine he intends to actually use it.
1296022;1444481882;ben_vulpes;my mother roots around in middens
1296023;1444481886;ben_vulpes;must be a heritable trait
1296024;1444481887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148800 @ 0.00047937 = 71.3303 BTC [+] {3} 
1296025;1444481910;Vexual;foxlike
1296026;1444482004;*;Vexual blow the dust of a thre and one half inout
1296027;1444482206;mircea_popescu;mitch_callahan: franco.is << not working << it's  http://fr.anco.is/
1296028;1444482207;assbot;fr.anco.is | bitcoin et al. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WTc1DM )
1296029;1444482373;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295859 << myeah. just you wait till derpstream media stumbles upon the elephant in the gay room, that dark unpleasant secret of the gay "community" : GAY PEOPLE are really not that gay either.
1296030;1444482373;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 05:35:02; pete_dushenski: "Grindr users are not that gay, at least according to a new survey." << bwahahaha ! 'best survey of the day' award goes to this guy, whoever he is.
1296031;1444482425;mircea_popescu;because "positive" labels in the rent-extracting sense of "positive" always turn out a little hollow and then a little hollower each passing year. the "ecological" lightbulbs ain't that ecological either. and so on.
1296032;1444482498;Vexual;\nick ecovex
1296033;1444482528;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295865 << yup, the internet is the great bane of "every man must get an X" thing.
1296034;1444482528;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 05:38:56; cazalla: if ya were desperate, and many times at 18 i was, ya could hang around till 3am close and people would mix and match given that was the close
1296035;1444482552;mircea_popescu;society's still reeling from the unceremonious introduction of the power law right back into it.
1296036;1444482612;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295876 << everyone sane is and will continue supporting them at the expense of the us.
1296037;1444482612;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 05:47:23; pete_dushenski: http://jihadology.net/2015/10/05/the-archivist-unseen-islamic-state-financial-accounts-for-deir-az-zor-province/ << "The suggested siege-like strategy to trigger a collapse from within is impossible to realize in the current circumstances, as one cannot wholly isolate IS territory from interactions with the outside world, and so cash flows will continue."
1296038;1444482621;mircea_popescu;and for as long as aml bullshit stands, this will continue unabated.\
1296039;1444482646;mircea_popescu;i'd rather see hillary forced to burka on the senate floor and pelosi whipped in downtown san diego for keeping bad house,
1296040;1444482660;mircea_popescu;than i'm willing to put up with "your money's our business" nonsense.
1296041;1444482672;Vexual;i melted my rangerover, bought a brand new prius
1296042;1444482737;Vexual;but it doesnt have a cigarette lighter, so I might have to repeat
1296043;1444482756;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295887 << you know this was actyually in teh logs a year or so ago.
1296044;1444482756;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:02:19; pete_dushenski: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1462800/inside-north-korea.jpg << ok. how the shit is this 'Ryugyong Hotel' in pyongyang real ?!
1296045;1444482837;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295895 << short, small tits, even more than azn norm on account of poor nutrition.
1296046;1444482837;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:14:53; cazalla: the nk women look alright
1296047;1444482847;Vexual;.bait
1296048;1444482851;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to stick it in a 11 yo boy looking woman.
1296049;1444482911;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295905 << you have to understand the core problem there. libtards aren't butthurt about dead people. they give about as much as a shit as anyone else, there's 7bn people around, you wanna kill some take your pick, nobody cares.
1296050;1444482911;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:40:08; cazalla: fucking car accidents kill more but still with the gun drama
1296051;1444482924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69962 @ 0.00047757 = 33.4118 BTC [-] {3} 
1296052;1444482931;mircea_popescu;their issue is with the WILL. car deaths are "accidents". that's ok. just as long as nobody gets what they WANT libertard is happy.
1296053;1444482950;Vexual;i have no accidents
1296054;1444482968;mircea_popescu;in this sense going to school and lighting up a bunch of fucktarded kids is the ultimate will, in that it's mostly a gratuitous act. such existentialism bothers the libtard to high heavens.
1296055;1444483011;mircea_popescu;try this, do something meaningless, pointless and "wasteful" or at any rate against their internalized normas. it'll give them dry fucking heaves, omfg you're leaving a 50 watt light on, or the water running just because ? headexplody.
1296056;1444483046;Vexual;hexaplody
1296057;1444483081;mircea_popescu;in this sense, the shooters are more important for the sanity of the species than the us congress. they provide a much needed, deeply valuable check on the idiotic, FEMALE behaviours of the herd.
1296058;1444483129;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ5hAZ_WUAANgLM.jpg
1296059;1444483130;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1FXFx7o )
1296060;1444483130;Vexual;uponn greeting a mad gunman, the thoughtful motorist will drive around
1296061;1444483230;Vexual;mp'd prolly buy it off the cunt at a discount
1296062;1444483246;ben_vulpes;god bless orygun
1296063;1444483350;Vexual;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0
1296064;1444483556;mircea_popescu;they have no patience for lactose, and won't stand for it!
1296065;1444483649;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295914 <<< govt works as intended eh.
1296066;1444483649;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:49:55; cazalla: guess they can't fucking figure out where these australians actually are once they leave hte country, easier to keep at home therefore can publish in the media that we got dem terrorists
1296067;1444483673;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295919 << or at any rate internet astroturf.
1296068;1444483673;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:59:52; punkman: http://ihorror.com/donald-trump-photoshopped-into-horror-movies-is-internet-gold/
1296069;1444483694;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny how old people STILL don't get the internet, but meanwhile have moved on from ignoring it to pretending they're part of it while it ignores them.
1296070;1444483717;mircea_popescu;then again, it took the internet 30 years and it took bitcoin 3 for the same result, so i guess there's progress.
1296071;1444483786;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295918 << this is actually illegal by a bunch of treaties.
1296072;1444483786;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:53:07; cazalla: just fkn nuke it from orbit already
1296073;1444483818;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295926 << bitpay should sue them for copying their business model.
1296074;1444483818;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 08:14:34; punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/technology/twitter-expected-to-begin-layoffs-and-stop-headquarters-expansion.html
1296075;1444483900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33428 @ 0.00047978 = 16.0381 BTC [+]
1296076;1444484388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84100 @ 0.00048624 = 40.8928 BTC [+] {4} 
1296077;1444484449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63050 @ 0.00047912 = 30.2085 BTC [-] {3} 
1296078;1444484510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11030 @ 0.00048724 = 5.3743 BTC [+]
1296079;1444484545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295930 << http://trilema.com/2015/top-secret/
1296080;1444484545;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 08:15:58; cazalla: fucking movies, all shit
1296081;1444484546;assbot;Top Secret! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4TMWW )
1296082;1444484571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77820 @ 0.00048782 = 37.9622 BTC [+] {4} 
1296083;1444484832;ben_vulpes;punkman: what life-saving-devices have been baked into gnupg since the bad old days?
1296084;1444484885;mircea_popescu;a better hash than md5 ?
1296085;1444485523;deedbot-;[Trilema] Top Secret! - http://trilema.com/2015/top-secret/
1296086;1444485608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00047721 = 12.7892 BTC [-] {2} 
1296087;1444486573;mircea_popescu;!up rfbyl
1296088;1444487072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148600 @ 0.00047664 = 70.8287 BTC [-] {3} 
1296089;1444487134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16310 @ 0.00047599 = 7.7634 BTC [-]
1296090;1444487621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121321 @ 0.00047732 = 57.9089 BTC [+] {3} 
1296091;1444488292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.0004886 = 47.3942 BTC [+]
1296092;1444489329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86650 @ 0.00048922 = 42.3909 BTC [+] {4} 
1296093;1444489451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00048985 = 15.7242 BTC [+]
1296094;1444489817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00047962 = 1.9425 BTC [-]
1296095;1444490176;mitch_callahan;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295961 << found it.  late night laziness.
1296096;1444490176;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 10:42:36; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mitch_callahan look harder
1296097;1444490868;mitch_callahan;For interested readers; http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
1296098;1444490869;assbot;cascadian hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4Aima )
1296099;1444491403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.0004805 = 32.8662 BTC [+]
1296100;1444491607;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.06750000 BTC on 'No' - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1092/btc-price-to-rise-above-1oz-of-gold/#b25
1296101;1444492135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119950 @ 0.00047962 = 57.5304 BTC [-] {2} 
1296102;1444492806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00047874 = 8.5455 BTC [-] {2} 
1296103;1444493086;punkman;ben_vulpes: dunno, I guess all of them
1296104;1444493943;trinque;mircea_popescu: space is cheap and that's a worthy addition.
1296105;1444494121;mircea_popescu;aha.
1296106;1444494146;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1296005 <<< perhaps not fully operational, but kids do use it for urination
1296107;1444494146;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 12:49:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295718 << no working penis yet.
1296108;1444494197;trinque;asciilifeform: if you have historic artifacts you'd like to preserve in the same manner, feel free to deedbot- them as done above
1296109;1444494209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00048037 = 28.8222 BTC [+] {2} 
1296110;1444494647;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1296045 <<< i was basingt hat solely on the tea girl from vice NK doco, every channer wanted to make her his waifu
1296111;1444494647;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 13:13:57; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295895 << short, small tits, even more than azn norm on account of poor nutrition.
1296112;1444494677;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1296048 <<< http://petapixel.com/2015/10/09/23-portraits-of-women-who-live-in-north-korea/ spot on description, check out the first one lol
1296113;1444494677;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 13:14:11; mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to stick it in a 11 yo boy looking woman.
1296114;1444494678;assbot;23 Portraits of Women Who Live in North Korea ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoNGD )
1296115;1444494724;cazalla;last one is ok though http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2015/10/27.jpg
1296116;1444494725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OsoVFU )
1296117;1444494802;mircea_popescu;http://richardxthripp.thripp.com/2008/09/digital-sharecropping/
1296118;1444494803;assbot;Digital Sharecropping | Thripp Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Osp5NE )
1296119;1444494819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.0004805 = 10.0425 BTC [+]
1296120;1444494823;mircea_popescu;mostly for the lulzy "you.com not myspace.com/you" image followed by a windows xp screenshot.
1296121;1444495612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047839 = 24.9959 BTC [-] {3} 
1296122;1444496100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48969 @ 0.00047835 = 23.4243 BTC [-]
1296123;1444496161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28031 @ 0.00047755 = 13.3862 BTC [-] {2} 
1296124;1444496893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208110 @ 0.0004805 = 99.9969 BTC [+]
1296125;1444497686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00048967 = 18.8033 BTC [+] {3} 
1296126;1444498450;phf;ben_vulpes: i looked at it couple of months ago investigating the origins of the checksum behavior, and it's not at all a mythical repository of pre-diddle functionality. it has long compromised crypto all over the place, like afore mentioned md5, hardcoded
1296127;1444498472;phf;(pgp)
1296128;1444498479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00048985 = 3.7718 BTC [+]
1296129;1444498585;mircea_popescu;in fact gpg has a lot in commnon with bitcoin : an original prototype of a good idea, with a lot of quick and dirty stuff,
1296130;1444498605;mircea_popescu;that was then covered by endless layers of usg-esque "improvements" mostly intended to cement the gunk in place.
1296131;1444498633;mircea_popescu;the main difference being that no multi-billion worth of terrorists gave a shit back in 1999
1296132;1444498699;asciilifeform;yes.
1296133;1444498752;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295983 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-03-2015#1069965 << finally he found one !
1296134;1444498752;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 12:08:05; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
1296135;1444498752;assbot;Logged on 25-03-2015 05:16:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you have a favourite classical tarball of gpg, please consider sign and post it (with disclaimer similar to your collectible 0.5.3 tarball on listserv)
1296136;1444498754;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu.
1296137;1444498817;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1296129 << i must disagree here. the design was brain-damaged in several important ways from day 1
1296138;1444498817;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 17:36:25; mircea_popescu: in fact gpg has a lot in commnon with bitcoin : an original prototype of a good idea, with a lot of quick and dirty stuff,
1296139;1444498844;asciilifeform;(the non-selectable hashes FOR ANYTHING AT ALL, the non-unity of the format for signatures for three types of thing, etc)
1296140;1444498849;mircea_popescu;for both items.
1296141;1444498856;asciilifeform;aha.
1296142;1444498873;mircea_popescu;so then what do you disagree with lol.
1296143;1444498879;punkman;http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2015-09-14-The-Evaluations.jpg
1296144;1444498882;assbot;Page not found - Scenes From A Multiverse ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmE3p3 )
1296145;1444498901;asciilifeform;with the notion that it was a good start, only to be corrupted later
1296146;1444498905;asciilifeform;it was a terrible start.
1296147;1444498907;mircea_popescu;i did not say that.
1296148;1444498916;asciilifeform;hm
1296149;1444498924;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not a good start either. it's just the start we got.
1296150;1444498928;asciilifeform;then i can't possibly disagree;
1296151;1444498944;mircea_popescu;the IDEA is good.
1296152;1444498946;asciilifeform;'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had' (tm) (r) (bush II)
1296153;1444498949;mircea_popescu;the implementation...
1296154;1444499037;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Logged on 25-03-2015 05:16:55; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you have a favourite << i don't imagine the 6 months caught us any fish, but anyway.
1296155;1444499037;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295821 << you may be in for an ill suprise; the thing will not behave under x11; i've already decommissioned mine...
1296156;1444499037;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 05:15:54; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295370 << ok. i've ordered one too now. gotta see this rat9 thing for myself.
1296157;1444499037;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1296158;1444499183;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295911 << why would anyone tell the au branch of usg that they intend to go to syria? say you're going to, e.g., fr, then go.
1296159;1444499183;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 06:46:35; cazalla: ya fucking free to go whether ya like, australia ain't "compulsory to live in Australia" (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/malcolm-turnbull-plea-for-mutual-respect-after-parramatta-murder/6841892) unless ya actually do want to leave in which case eep ya can't go to syria because it is illegal for you to leave https://www.livingsafetogether.gov.au/informationadvice/Pages/ConflictinSyria/ConflictinSyrial
1296160;1444499220;mircea_popescu;how's this sit with the "not compulsory to live here" argument ?
1296161;1444499255;asciilifeform;eh that's one's a crock of shit in 10,001 ways. it is in all sense compulsory for a serf to live in the grounds to which he is bound
1296162;1444499281;asciilifeform;how this is enforced, changed, sure.
1296163;1444499288;mircea_popescu;"here's the laws and and if you don't like it, you can leave" "i'll go join the people that'll fuck you up" "o wait you can't leave" "does that mean you admit your laws are dumb ?" "nope" "does that make you a hypocritical idiot ? " "no it doesnt!!1"
1296164;1444499318;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the sum total of "public conversation" in english atm.
1296165;1444499332;asciilifeform;the 'can leave' was always a mystery button that isn't connected to anything. as if there ACTUALLY WERE a functional anti-west blok to defect to
1296166;1444499342;mircea_popescu;isis is good enough.
1296167;1444499364;asciilifeform;i suppose, for some - enough. just like a typical turd contains enough nourishment for some creatures
1296168;1444499388;mircea_popescu;looky, it's functional - at least more so than the usg - and it's anti-west alright.
1296169;1444499396;mircea_popescu;that you don't like it is a wholly unrelated consideration.
1296170;1444499407;mircea_popescu;im sure byzantines didn't like that stinky paris hamlet either.
1296171;1444499410;asciilifeform;'functional' means 'can make own ak rounds' at minimum.
1296172;1444499424;asciilifeform;otherwise it is a forest fire, that will burn for so long as there is dry wood.
1296173;1444499428;mircea_popescu;no, it just means it beats the shit out of anything the us army can put on the ground on every encounter to date.
1296174;1444499443;mircea_popescu;the test to might is phenomena not theory.
1296175;1444499463;asciilifeform;if it destroys the american armies, it will be with ru materiel
1296176;1444499476;asciilifeform;which it will get for just so long as it suits ru.
1296177;1444499485;mircea_popescu;counterfactuals ain't on the table.
1296178;1444499496;mircea_popescu;as it does, it's good enough and as it won't it won't be.
1296179;1444499498;asciilifeform;then wake me up when this has happened...?"
1296180;1444499504;mircea_popescu;!s tikrit
1296181;1444499505;assbot;15 results for 'tikrit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tikrit
1296182;1444499514;asciilifeform;that wasn't, iirc, 'the whole american army'
1296183;1444499519;asciilifeform;but a cannon fodder detachment ?
1296184;1444499522;mircea_popescu;yes it was.\
1296185;1444499533;mircea_popescu;the "real army in the sky" isn't part of discussion, it's part of masturbation.
1296186;1444499545;asciilifeform;last i checked they had a 1M+ army parked in de, and kr...
1296187;1444499548;mircea_popescu;today as in the days of the paleologai
1296188;1444499551;asciilifeform;did it disband when i wasn't looking ?
1296189;1444499555;mircea_popescu;what did you check ?
1296190;1444499565;mircea_popescu;last every derp checked he had 1k+ friends. on facebook.
1296191;1444499570;asciilifeform;the Official Truth, at any rate
1296192;1444499577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97950 @ 0.00048944 = 47.9406 BTC [-] {3} 
1296193;1444499578;*;asciilifeform did not go and count the boots himself, no
1296194;1444499579;mircea_popescu;and for that matter last every ustard checked he had 401k. with dollars in it.
1296195;1444499614;mircea_popescu;heck, last michail 1st5 checked he had full strength garrisons. this was true on condition that they not be removed from places no one is attacking.
1296196;1444499627;mircea_popescu;see what he 1mn army parked in kr does once the chinese go all out on it.
1296197;1444499631;asciilifeform;there are people with something like an approximate picture of american garrison strength. i, sadly, am not one. call moscow.
1296198;1444499644;mircea_popescu;turns out centcom command goes before congress to explain they had like "4-5 people"
1296199;1444499658;mircea_popescu;as was the case last time.
1296200;1444499673;asciilifeform;if so, lulzy
1296201;1444499691;asciilifeform;but i also recall a recent attempt by orcs to flood into ft, that was checked by force of arms
1296202;1444499691;mircea_popescu;look at the numbers as to overweight usarmy btw.
1296203;1444499695;mircea_popescu;THAT is lulzy.
1296204;1444499705;mircea_popescu;gonna have mobility scooter infantry soon enough.
1296205;1444499722;mircea_popescu;"us army wins wars - by first bulding roads in the warzone so the soldiers can get places!"
1296206;1444499723;asciilifeform;^ that one has nuance. the fat folks aren't ever expected to fight, they 'fly the mahogany bomber'
1296207;1444499736;mircea_popescu;yayaya. look in teh datas.
1296208;1444499768;asciilifeform;the people in mats's bus did not look especially fat
1296209;1444499781;asciilifeform;but, again, damned if i know
1296210;1444499798;mircea_popescu;that was a bit ago. and yeah, they did look a little pudgy.
1296211;1444499821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00048808 = 14.6668 BTC [-]
1296212;1444499917;asciilifeform;interestingly, ru recruits are still turning up thin
1296213;1444499927;asciilifeform;(and some rejected for underweight)
1296214;1444499979;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295972 << that was an ancient thread, i think.
1296215;1444499979;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 11:50:17; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform agreed re subkeys. tho i think we had agreed on this before.
1296216;1444500017;asciilifeform;thing about subkeys is that they are a fundamentally ill-conceived idea - the notion that 'i can update my modulus but it is still considered the same key, because it is signed by this other key here, and this fact is to be verified by machine'
1296217;1444500097;asciilifeform;this ~could~ be implemented sanely, but the traditional implementation - where the new key is accepted silently - is not it.
1296218;1444500163;asciilifeform;nor is anything else about the current implementation (what is signed is IN ALL CASES a sha1 of the key-to-be-signed) sane.
1296219;1444500308;phf;asciilifeform: the fat folks aren't ever expected to fight << "Когда я говорю «боевой летчик», это не значит, что я летаю в небе сам, всем своим толстым брюхом, как наши волосатые предки в своих керосиновых гондолах. Как и все продвинутые
1296220;1444500310;phf;профессионалы нашего века, я работаю на дому."
1296221;1444500320;asciilifeform;^ win
1296222;1444500323;asciilifeform;(tm) (r) pelevin
1296223;1444500334;asciilifeform;'snuff'. mega-b00k
1296224;1444500337;asciilifeform;recommended to all
1296225;1444500399;phf;there's even an english translation, http://www.amazon.com/S-N-U-F-F-Victor-Pelevin/dp/1473213037
1296226;1444500401;assbot;S.N.U.F.F.: 9781473213036: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmFqnH )
1296227;1444500406;asciilifeform;nowai
1296228;1444500458;*;asciilifeform chronic collector of bad translations, could not resist, bought.
1296229;1444500525;phf;same guy who did the rest of p's translations
1296230;1444500543;phf;so might be not too bad
1296231;1444500547;phf;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bromfield
1296232;1444500548;assbot;Andrew Bromfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmFyDE )
1296233;1444500674;asciilifeform;i've always regarded p as untranslatable
1296234;1444500674;asciilifeform;but yes, the one of 'omon ra' is nearly readable
1296235;1444500760;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1296018 << nope.
1296236;1444500760;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 12:56:49; mircea_popescu: punkman afaik gnupg actually started with the zimmerman code at some point
1296237;1444500792;asciilifeform;koch rewrote.
1296238;1444500876;asciilifeform;from the rfc.
1296239;1444501437;mircea_popescu;o was it ?
1296240;1444501447;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1296241;1444501487;asciilifeform;zimmerman's was turdalicious, though
1296242;1444501508;mircea_popescu;o was it ?
1296243;1444501534;asciilifeform;and his later life is so ignominious a thing that it almost retro-taints him into pederasty, in my mind
1296244;1444501545;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that.
1296245;1444501547;mircea_popescu;gauss too ?
1296246;1444501554;asciilifeform;how gauss ?
1296247;1444501568;mircea_popescu;turns out he had crazy noted down!
1296248;1444501618;asciilifeform;everybody worth remotely thinking about 'has crazy written down'
1296249;1444501682;asciilifeform;zimmerman, if you recall, sold pgp to hitler, allowing it to become a laughing stock of mystery meat faux crypto, but, as if this were not enough, went on to participate in the multi-coloured phones idiocy
1296250;1444501711;mircea_popescu;no, i recall.
1296251;1444501775;asciilifeform;i can easily picture the first being somehow done under torture or blackmail, but the second ?
1296252;1444501810;mircea_popescu;old age is its own form of blackmail and torture.
1296253;1444501845;asciilifeform;https://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/essays/WhyIWrotePGP.html << for completeness.
1296254;1444501850;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hwyLtp )
1296255;1444502006;asciilifeform;http://www.symantec.com/connect/downloads/symantec-pgp-desktop-peer-review-source-code << lulzy
1296256;1444502011;asciilifeform;1st comment is gold.
1296257;1444502038;asciilifeform;https://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/faq/index.html << z's www.
1296258;1444502040;assbot;FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1hwz6wf )
1296259;1444502042;asciilifeform;also lulzy.
1296260;1444502101;mircea_popescu;2nc comment better
1296261;1444502110;asciilifeform;eh, ~something~ loads
1296262;1444502156;*;asciilifeform cannot be arsed to try building the thing, much less read any of the 80MB (zipped!) crud
1296263;1444502200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98450 @ 0.00048916 = 48.1578 BTC [+]
1296264;1444502273;asciilifeform;'First, I thank Mr. Keane for his professionalism in notifying us of the government's decision.  It has become common practice for federal  prosecutors to refuse to tell targets of investigations that the  government has decided not to prosecute.  I appreciate Mr. Keane's  courtesy.' << l0lwut
1296265;1444502383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117400 @ 0.0004887 = 57.3734 BTC [-] {3} 
1296266;1444502566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126600 @ 0.00048803 = 61.7846 BTC [-] {2} 
1296267;1444502788;*;mircea_popescu couldn't get through that zimmermann "why i" blabla a decade ago, still can't today.
1296268;1444502823;mircea_popescu;this fucking offensive FOSS/original_wiki brand of "simple clear concise" idiocy is driving me up the wall, today, as the movement's dead just like it was back when the movement was nascent.
1296269;1444502841;mircea_popescu;i fucking hate them and i glad they died in a fire, there's nothing either wise or good about this junk.
1296270;1444502920;mircea_popescu;writing is supposed to be fucking exclusionary. this is why it exist : to exclude some people ; and to advantage some of the others at the expense of the remainder.
1296271;1444502949;mircea_popescu;inclusionary writing belongs with stone fucking soup and barn raising.
1296272;1444503786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137800 @ 0.00049016 = 67.544 BTC [+] {4} 
1296273;1444504275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54812 @ 0.00048797 = 26.7466 BTC [-]
1296274;1444505136;*;asciilifeform did not link it as example of good writing, no.
1296275;1444506037;mircea_popescu;eh, it's what it stands for.
1296276;1444506054;mircea_popescu;"humanism" or whatever they call the superset of puritanic socialism.
1296277;1444506064;mircea_popescu;but anyway.
1296278;1444506287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95214 @ 0.00048271 = 45.9607 BTC [-] {4} 
1296279;1444507263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156128 @ 0.00047862 = 74.726 BTC [-] {4} 
1296280;1444508266;mircea_popescu;;;bc,stats
1296281;1444508269;gribble;Current Blocks: 378322 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 685 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1296282;1444508666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24888 @ 0.00048525 = 12.0769 BTC [+]
1296283;1444509032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91100 @ 0.00049014 = 44.6518 BTC [+] {2} 
1296284;1444509276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21512 @ 0.0004858 = 10.4505 BTC [-]
1296285;1444509581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00047753 = 14.7318 BTC [-] {3} 
1296286;1444509760;mircea_popescu;!up ericp4
1296287;1444510557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146700 @ 0.00048044 = 70.4805 BTC [+] {3} 
1296288;1444510971;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b31
1296289;1444510972;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b26
1296290;1444510972;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b37
1296291;1444511259;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1210/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-jan-2016/#b11
1296292;1444511350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31588 @ 0.00048369 = 15.2788 BTC [+]
1296293;1444511411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85112 @ 0.00049027 = 41.7279 BTC [+] {5} 
1296294;1444511487;mircea_popescu;lol someone found bitbet i gather
1296295;1444511838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135250 @ 0.00047705 = 64.521 BTC [-] {2} 
1296296;1444512143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109050 @ 0.00047562 = 51.8664 BTC [-] {5} 
1296297;1444512972;mircea_popescu;!up Samourai1allet
1296298;1444513341;mircea_popescu;https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/29/best-thing-about-feminists-they-dont-get-action-so-when-you-rape-them-its-100-times << in the lulz of all time, random nobodies on social media keep trying to piggyback on random events because hey. votes!
1296299;1444513344;assbot;'The Best Thing About Feminists Is They Don't Get Action So When You Rape Them It's 100 Times Tighter': Welcome To Facebook And Tinder | newmatilda.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0plx0 )
1296300;1444514278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56217 @ 0.00048631 = 27.3389 BTC [+]
1296301;1444515315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00048969 = 30.1159 BTC [+] {3} 
1296302;1444515376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00049048 = 60.4271 BTC [+] {3} 
1296303;1444516169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137000 @ 0.00048173 = 65.997 BTC [-] {4} 
1296304;1444517755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130000 @ 0.00048541 = 63.1033 BTC [+] {3} 
1296305;1444517999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00048333 = 10.1741 BTC [-]
1296306;1444519117;cazalla;https://21.co/submit-bitcoin-tutorial/
1296307;1444519118;assbot;21 - Submit A Bitcoin Tutorial ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ot7sNw )
1296308;1444519220;mircea_popescu;all this minimum effort vc bullshit...
1296309;1444519243;mircea_popescu;"how about you do some work to justify this dough we're burning through"
1296310;1444519341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75773 @ 0.00048273 = 36.5779 BTC [-] {2} 
1296311;1444520073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132150 @ 0.00049171 = 64.9795 BTC [+] {3} 
1296312;1444520195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96000 @ 0.00049279 = 47.3078 BTC [+] {3} 
1296313;1444520744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.00048753 = 17.9655 BTC [-] {3} 
1296314;1444521537;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139959 @ 0.00049368 = 69.095 BTC [+] {4} 
1296315;1444523441;asciilifeform;'Building a secure multisignature escrow service' << will this crud never die
1296316;1444523455;mircea_popescu;never.
1296317;1444523659;asciilifeform;but with strange eons!11
1296318;1444523683;asciilifeform;i suppose death may die, but never idiocy.
1296319;1444523865;asciilifeform;http://www.demotix.com/news/5506846/police-destroys-37-tons-seized-drugs-chacarita-cemetery << oldie, re: the mega-graveyard
1296320;1444523865;assbot;Police destroys 3,7 tons of seized drugs at Chacarita Cemetery | Demotix.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1VLyLmP )
1296321;1444523896;mircea_popescu;prolly cayuse only place with big enough crematorium
1296322;1444524009;asciilifeform;reminds me of a tale from the lab chief at my first job, at u.s. nih. when he inherited the grounds, there was cocaine left over from the last fella. who was busted because not all of it could be accounted for. the new lab had nothing to do with cocaine, and
1296323;1444524019;asciilifeform;and the fella wanted to be rid of the stash
1296324;1444524025;asciilifeform;but no industrial disposal corp. would accept it
1296325;1444524031;asciilifeform;liability far too great
1296326;1444524050;asciilifeform;eventually he contracted with a proper crematorium
1296327;1444524066;asciilifeform;which happily accepted it and, iirc, filmed the proceedings.
1296328;1444524086;mircea_popescu;sounda b out reight
1296329;1444524102;asciilifeform;this was, i was told a multi-kg stash of synthesis-grade reagent.
1296330;1444526783;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163900 @ 0.00049019 = 80.3421 BTC [-]
1296331;1444529406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33120 @ 0.00049375 = 16.353 BTC [+]
1296332;1444530931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00049019 = 44.3132 BTC [-]
1296333;1444538190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.00048334 = 17.1827 BTC [-]
1296334;1444541241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00048921 = 53.1282 BTC [+]
1296335;1444545572;mircea_popescu;!up GoonClooney
1296336;1444545577;mircea_popescu;!up villan
1296337;1444556243;wyrdmantis;Hello Asseters!
1296338;1444557930;jurov;hi wyrdmantis
1296339;1444557937;jurov;!up AmbitionzAzARida
1296340;1444557947;jurov;!up GoonClooney
1296341;1444563917;punkman;http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/illustrated-account-great-maple-syrup-heist/
1296342;1444563918;assbot;An Illustrated Account of the Great Maple Syrup Heist - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAVkdy )
1296343;1444565458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00048727 = 34.8885 BTC [-]
1296344;1444566319;mircea_popescu;hello wyrdmantis
1296345;1444571497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00048681 = 11.0019 BTC [-]
1296346;1444572839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45092 @ 0.00048727 = 21.972 BTC [+]
1296347;1444574364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00048727 = 11.3534 BTC [+]
1296348;1444577681;deedbot-;[Trilema] El Defloreador tum tum tudum tum-tum! - http://trilema.com/2015/el-defloreador-tum-tum-tudum-tum-tum/
1296349;1444579004;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/apple-search-15-mc-01902-jo.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3CQNCBA << mega-l0l
1296350;1444579006;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iL )
1296351;1444579008;assbot;dpaste: 3CQNCBA ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iU )
1296352;1444579037;asciilifeform;re: cokemachine.
1296353;1444580126;punkman;how's that related to cokemachine?
1296354;1444580159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40249 @ 0.00048425 = 19.4906 BTC [-] {4} 
1296355;1444581639;*;mircea_popescu too.
1296356;1444583704;asciilifeform;it is a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749
1296357;1444583704;assbot;Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th
1296358;1444586615;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/facebook-implement-bitcoin-payments-advertising-platform/ << "rumors" lol.
1296359;1444586616;assbot;Facebook to implement Bitcoin Payments on their Advertising Platform? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2dfmZ )
1296360;1444586662;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.
1296361;1444587144;phf;"sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"
1296362;1444587321;mircea_popescu;this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.
1296363;1444587390;phf;"are the are any seditious thoughts on the premisses, that we need to know about"
1296364;1444587431;mircea_popescu;poor "need". that word's so beaten up these days.
1296365;1444587598;phf;heh, i didn't even notice, the entire form was making me uneasy, but it's that casual "need" that's probably the worst part
1296366;1444587653;mircea_popescu;"sir, i'll need you to..."
1296367;1444587692;mircea_popescu;it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.
1296368;1444587804;mircea_popescu;libtard socialism ftw, needs are respectable wants are criminal so let's pretend like we need shit we must have.
1296369;1444588165;phf;it's also removal of agency, need is something that happens to you, like "i need you to fill this out for me" has the "just doing my job, sir". as opposed to russian "you must fill this out" where the power dynamic is explicit
1296370;1444588264;phf;although often mocked "you don't understand, i needed to do this". oh you needed, that changes everything
1296371;1444588356;mircea_popescu;aha
1296372;1444588609;mircea_popescu;https://ers.trendmicro.com/reputations/legitimate/ << herp.
1296373;1444588611;assbot;Trend Micro Email Reputation Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkeYb )
1296374;1444589399;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b49285981a21f4dc5e26ca31d314ffca/tumblr_nlgw6rdtyi1tkz70so1_1280.jpg
1296375;1444589400;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkWVe )
1296376;1444590186;hdbuck;!s mircea_popescu in other words
1296377;1444590187;assbot;90 results for 'mircea_popescu in other words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mircea_popescu+in+other+words
1296378;1444590232;hdbuck;jesus
1296379;1444590250;mircea_popescu;did you mean in other news ?
1296380;1444590263;hdbuck;yes ^^
1296381;1444590285;hdbuck;!s in other news
1296382;1444590286;assbot;736 results for 'in other news' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news
1296383;1444590349;hdbuck;ah and i thought 90 results was quite much already.
1296384;1444590562;hdbuck;mircea_popescu when is the next b-a gathering?
1296385;1444590600;mircea_popescu;nothing's been announced to date.\
1296386;1444591710;jurov;http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"
1296387;1444591711;assbot;Item13812: Foswiki 2.0 useless without javascript < Tasks < Foswiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PooBsB )
1296388;1444591866;mod6;neat, just did an autobuild of rotor + TEST2 via V. build was successful, running and pulling blocks. :]
1296389;1444592359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00048118 = 26.922 BTC [-] {2} 
1296390;1444593091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00048224 = 4.8706 BTC [+]
1296391;1444593610;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296367 << the part that looks like 'lying' is actually a cargo cult thereof.
1296392;1444593610;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 18:21:32; mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.
1296393;1444593641;asciilifeform;(normally when one properly lies, it is with some effort to be believed)
1296394;1444593704;asciilifeform;as it is, western/non-orc bureaucrats use ceremonial language dating to a time when cooperation was a (comparatively) voluntary thing
1296395;1444593808;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296360 << wat. since wickard vs filburn at least !
1296396;1444593808;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 18:04:22; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.
1296397;1444593863;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296361 << laugh, but this is being actively pursued with 'fmri' and related apparatus.
1296398;1444593863;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 18:12:24; phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"
1296399;1444593884;asciilifeform;there are already freislers at work, crafting 'legal framework' for it.
1296400;1444593969;asciilifeform;afaik, the most audacious claim to date is that the machine can tell if the victim has seen a particular object previously.
1296401;1444594001;asciilifeform;folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use.
1296402;1444594043;asciilifeform;intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'
1296403;1444594056;asciilifeform;while the remainder can be parallel-constructed, accidented, etc. into their place.
1296404;1444594084;ben_vulpes;it is the only hope for the lie detector replacement
1296405;1444594091;ben_vulpes;and will likely suffer the same public humiliations
1296406;1444594093;punkman;just an update for current lie detector
1296407;1444594102;asciilifeform;not actually being pursued for this
1296408;1444594109;ben_vulpes;as 'dna evidence' is atm
1296409;1444594116;asciilifeform;the 'voodoo intimidation value' of the old-fashioned kind is, afaik, thought to suffice
1296410;1444594132;punkman;people still believe in the old model
1296411;1444594136;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has it, it will be another 'dna evidence'
1296412;1444594145;ben_vulpes;the whole legal/scientocratic edifice is shaking apart as the science part more trivially debunkable.
1296413;1444594151;punkman;but I think new version will need to include "quantum" and stuff
1296414;1444594151;ben_vulpes;grows more*
1296415;1444594151;asciilifeform;or rather, speaking more generally, yet another kind of fingerprint.
1296416;1444594163;asciilifeform;punkman: it already includes quantum voodoo!
1296417;1444594165;asciilifeform;see 'SQUID' etc
1296418;1444594190;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s
1296419;1444594205;asciilifeform;yet still used in virtually every country
1296420;1444594217;asciilifeform;because - for the actual, rather than stated purpose - they work great.
1296421;1444594223;asciilifeform;(extracting confession)
1296422;1444594237;ben_vulpes;sure, people threaten each other with random shit all the time.
1296423;1444594304;ben_vulpes;and generally the big stick works.
1296424;1444594311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00048224 = 9.8618 BTC [+]
1296425;1444594317;asciilifeform;interestingly, even a very small stick works..
1296426;1444594335;ben_vulpes;but when the voodoo is known to everyone as voodoo, which the left will *ensure* happens with the DNA saga
1296427;1444594343;ben_vulpes;(see "institutional racism" thread)
1296428;1444594354;ben_vulpes;the threat of voodoo won't work anymore.
1296429;1444594362;ben_vulpes;"i'm going to poke this doll image of you!"
1296430;1444594369;ben_vulpes;"lolk. my lawyer plz."
1296431;1444594375;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: last i saw, the u.s. left loves dna test. so long as it is mainly used to exonerate blacks
1296432;1444594424;ben_vulpes;http://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/447202433/-great-pause-among-forensic-scientists-as-dna-proves-fallible << latest chapter
1296433;1444594425;assbot;'Great Pause' Among Prosecutors As DNA Proves Fallible : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Bgk )
1296434;1444594466;asciilifeform;precisely as happened with fingerprints.
1296435;1444594471;ben_vulpes;i'd love to see "1/30 odds convicts whitey but not his darker friends"
1296436;1444594493;asciilifeform;phun phakt: most fingerprint database is entirely unusable for any practical purpose whatsoever.
1296437;1444594499;ben_vulpes;just because some derpy whites succumb to intimidation does not mean dna framing still works. it works on derpy blacks too, what of it?
1296438;1444594532;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: see famous case with portland lawyer that the incompetents in the usg wanted to frame for the madrid bombings.
1296439;1444594537;ben_vulpes;DIDN'T WORK
1296440;1444594545;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play
1296441;1444594558;ben_vulpes;that formula being?
1296442;1444594599;asciilifeform;http://www.businessinsider.com/antonin-scalia-says-executing-the-innocent-is-constitutional-2014-9
1296443;1444594600;assbot;Antonin Scalia Says Executing The Innocent Is Constitutional  - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Gke )
1296444;1444594610;asciilifeform;it was, iirc, 'innocence is not a constitutional bar to punishment'
1296445;1444594664;ben_vulpes;i'm sure goebbels etc had some variant too
1296446;1444594679;ben_vulpes;whoever ran those "courts"
1296447;1444594806;ben_vulpes;anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date
1296448;1444594823;ben_vulpes;yes they'll continue stomping on the poor and disenfranchised.
1296449;1444594841;ben_vulpes;no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.
1296450;1444595825;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lulzily, usg agrees!
1296451;1444595845;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: which is why more and more of its actual muscle is extrajudicial
1296452;1444596209;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, today i went into a shop and saw a type of chumpatronic contrivance for which i do not know the name:
1296453;1444596280;asciilifeform;there was a row of apple portables, and some had high-res lcd (sold as 'retina' trade name) while others had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such; instead, they were atrocious, with what looked like triangular pixels, dithering visible to the naked eye;
1296454;1444596284;asciilifeform;like an old vhs camera viewfinder
1296455;1444596296;asciilifeform;my first thought was that these are not intended to actually sell
1296456;1444596306;asciilifeform;but instead to prod people to the costlier 'high res' variant
1296457;1444596398;asciilifeform;my other thought was that it is even possible that both variants used physically-identical components and the cheaper one was somehow crippled in software.
1296458;1444596909;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/hotbroiler/
1296459;1444596910;assbot;Hot Broiler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo5ud )
1296460;1444597738;mod6;Ok, so I've posted my version of V for some review before it goes to the ML.  Inside the archive you'll find a `v.pl', `v_quick_start.txt', and `v_users_manual.txt' - and each with a corresponding sig.
1296461;1444597774;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz
1296462;1444597775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpNvM )
1296463;1444597789;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1296464;1444597789;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpL76 )
1296465;1444597815;mod6;Thanks in advance for your feedback.
1296466;1444597901;BingoBoingo;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/06/how-a-secret-chinese-military-drug-based-on-an-ancient-herb-won-the-nobel-prize/
1296467;1444597902;assbot;How a secret Chinese military drug based on an ancient herb won the Nobel Prize - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXDoi3 )
1296468;1444597912;mod6;(Hint: Please rtfm at least one of the guides before anyone says "Doesnt work!")
1296469;1444598022;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296362 << I am interested in taking on a n00b as an apprentice in sacrificing for the purpose of hopefully getting some overcraft loot
1296470;1444598022;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 18:15:21; mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.
1296471;1444598400;mircea_popescu;how'd that work danielpbarron  ?
1296472;1444598502;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.
1296473;1444598526;mircea_popescu;or that there's more examples of this pinnacle of lulz than there are "scientists" drawing breath at any given time.
1296474;1444598708;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date << word.
1296475;1444599008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00047965 = 14.6053 BTC [-] {3} 
1296476;1444599068;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but
1296477;1444599077;mircea_popescu;the fucking scannig speed of that thing. omfg.
1296478;1444599093;mircea_popescu;if things moved < 5% it was clear, if faster than that holy blur on a shitstick!
1296479;1444599120;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how they imagine the pos digital projector can compete with a 1950s soviet thing that went around the villages to show propaganda shorts.
1296480;1444599123;mircea_popescu;it doesn't.
1296481;1444599174;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/1843b7f9b3044d65b6f6e83f9f663465/tumblr_ngpkg23or21tcv3gao1_1280.jpg << good tits are a thing.
1296482;1444599174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEhXM )
1296483;1444599352;mircea_popescu;cool beans mod6
1296484;1444599455;ben_vulpes;neat stuff mod6
1296485;1444599557;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'lcds' << apple SOP. watch exists to maintain price point of late model pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of new pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of the *cheap* craptop...
1296486;1444599652;ben_vulpes;the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more.
1296487;1444599769;phf;went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was
1296488;1444599771;phf;disapointed though, that you can't just drive your sit to get popcorn and coke. have to walk.
1296489;1444599873;mircea_popescu;this thing (baires) was an INCREDIBLE collection of the stupideology of argentinians.
1296490;1444599900;mircea_popescu;it hit all the dumb spots, it could stand as a two hour summary of "this is a full description of how these imbeciles are imbeciles"
1296491;1444600098;kakobrekla;high expectations are problematic for any movie
1296492;1444600104;BingoBoingo;http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html
1296493;1444600105;assbot;It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEZED )
1296494;1444600664;phf;kakobrekla: i didn't have any expectations, i didn't know anything about it until half hour before. one of the people who invited me walked out half way through and the other one appologized.
1296495;1444600683;kakobrekla;lolk
1296496;1444600716;mircea_popescu;haha
1296497;1444601082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105013 @ 0.00047796 = 50.192 BTC [-] {4} 
1296498;1444601167;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu & ben_vulpes; plz let me know if you have questions or wanna discuss anything about how it works.
1296499;1444601204;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more. << and even so it won't be able to keep up with inflation.
1296500;1444601233;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2402b48de25359229cb5b466a36f557b/tumblr_ngp9c2WaZz1tcv3gao1_1280.jpg
1296501;1444601233;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2JMcO )
1296502;1444603827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14838 @ 0.0004748 = 7.0451 BTC [-]
1296503;1444605212;mod6;found a bug.  will fix on next time posted.  for now; after `./v.pl init http://thebitcoin.foundation` is run, run `./v.pl w` to ensure all of the WoT's get imported to the keyring.
1296504;1444605266;mod6;anyway, simple change. let me know if something out sticks out.
1296505;1444606273;ben_vulpes;trinque: you might find it amusing that now that the rains have moved in, Hinson is holding a series of neighborhood meetings to figure out "what to do" about colonel summers.
1296506;1444606279;mod6;hmm. chicken/egg type of problem, maybe not so simple.  if one wants to check the signed mirrors before init, how can sigs be checked from wot if no wot yet exists.
1296507;1444606304;mod6;will have to think on that a bit. :]
1296508;1444606327;ben_vulpes;everyone wants affordable housing, they just don't want to house people who need affordable housing anywhere near themselves.
1296509;1444606633;mircea_popescu;why not ? much better to fuck women that need affordable housing than women thart don't.\
1296510;1444606641;mircea_popescu;for one thing, younger. for the other thing, much less of a bitch.
1296511;1444606672;mircea_popescu;the concept of unaffordable housing chiefly exists on this earth to keep women pliable and young derps out of the pool.
1296512;1444606699;mod6;I guess I could just not print who signed the mirrors.  Leave the mirror list sigs in place on the server, and they can be checked later by hand if anyone wants. but i kinda like how it shows who signed it.
1296513;1444606705;mircea_popescu;(which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)
1296514;1444606722;mircea_popescu;mod6 why is this a bootstrapping problem anyway ?
1296515;1444606733;mircea_popescu;to run v in the first place one's supposed to provide a populated pubkeys dir.
1296516;1444606790;mod6;One can do this for sure.  The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
1296517;1444606959;mircea_popescu;mmm i don't think that's either intended functionality or a good idea.
1296518;1444606979;mircea_popescu;as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.
1296519;1444607017;mircea_popescu;and unrelated statuesque beauty http://41.media.tumblr.com/d43f95f902f8a42bd22921517589e2aa/tumblr_ngkmo2ayY41tcv3gao1_1280.jpg
1296520;1444607019;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7BBQS )
1296521;1444607120;mod6;hmm. well, i can take all of the sync stuff out for sure. will reduce a ton of code.
1296522;1444607141;mircea_popescu;pgp sync you mean ?
1296523;1444607150;mod6;how will the secure population of the pubkey dir work?  just by pulling keys manually or is this an automated function?
1296524;1444607166;mircea_popescu;but these are two diff things, the v sync (of code) and the pubkey part.
1296525;1444607168;mod6;no, it sync's stuff from the mirror via wget, currently
1296526;1444607188;mod6;the pubkeys, the seals and the vpatches
1296527;1444607201;mircea_popescu;see, the idea being that pubkey gotta be a special category.
1296528;1444607210;mod6;it is not required to do that, one can just populate the stuff by hand, ofc.
1296529;1444607210;mircea_popescu;then you no longer have the bootstrapping problem you were disucssing earlier.
1296530;1444607262;mod6;ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
1296531;1444607267;mircea_popescu;yup
1296532;1444607317;mod6;ok makes sense. i'll work on that bit of it.
1296533;1444607330;mod6;thx!
1296534;1444607380;mircea_popescu;dun mention it.
1296535;1444608280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20926 @ 0.00048224 = 10.0914 BTC [+]
1296536;1444608735;mod6;Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down.  Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
1296537;1444609136;phf;slime
1296538;1444609142;phf;err, wrong buffer..
1296539;1444609150;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296513 << the rent bezzle solves a problem, yes. which could be solved in other ways.
1296540;1444609150;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 23:38:25; mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)
1296541;1444609169;asciilifeform;orc removal is not rocket surgery, has been done before !
1296542;1444609241;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296516 << noooooo
1296543;1444609241;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure.  The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
1296544;1444609247;asciilifeform;wot is to be populated MANUALLY
1296545;1444609262;asciilifeform;this is the kind of thing i was afraid of when first contemplating automating any of this
1296546;1444609278;asciilifeform;duplicating shithub is PERDITION
1296547;1444609313;asciilifeform;fetching wot automagically defeats the very purpose of using pgp
1296548;1444609328;asciilifeform;(how do you know what keys you ended up with, if you do this ?!!!!111)
1296549;1444609360;phf;asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring?
1296550;1444609369;asciilifeform;phf: because FUCK pgp 'rings'
1296551;1444609381;asciilifeform;i fucking hate hidden state
1296552;1444609385;asciilifeform;and weird config formats
1296553;1444609403;asciilifeform;a ring, if it is to be tolerated, is a dir I CREATED DELIBERATELY full of pubkeys IN STANDARD FORMAT
1296554;1444609409;asciilifeform;that can be managed using ordinary unix commands
1296555;1444609414;asciilifeform;FUCK 'keyrings'
1296556;1444609459;asciilifeform;pgp verification ought to be invoked 'gpg --verify pubkey payload'
1296557;1444609467;asciilifeform;that this was not done, is one of 1,001 atrocities
1296558;1444609487;asciilifeform;i cannot even begin to fathom the kind of retardation that produced 'keyrings'.
1296559;1444609500;asciilifeform;(actually i can. it was... winblowz compatibility. of course.)
1296560;1444609516;phf;fair enough
1296561;1444609532;asciilifeform;i wanna remove a key? rm ~/.wot/key.
1296562;1444609538;asciilifeform;add? cp key ~/.wot
1296563;1444609541;asciilifeform;etc.
1296564;1444609561;phf;actually yeah. i was always curious why "trust system" that presumably is baked into keyrings is different from signing the key with your sig
1296565;1444609569;asciilifeform;because tards.
1296566;1444609628;asciilifeform;or why is pgp (1.4.10, say) 19 FUCKING MB ?!!!!
1296567;1444609631;asciilifeform;of SOURCE
1296568;1444609682;asciilifeform;for comparison, therealbitcoin is < 700kB
1296569;1444609781;phf;for fair comparison therealbitcoin loc should include relevant openssl bits
1296570;1444609817;asciilifeform;atm nobody knows precisely their mass.
1296571;1444609885;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296476 << lulzy, the one i have at home, apparently, is better
1296572;1444609885;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:31:08; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but
1296573;1444609890;asciilifeform;has none of these issues.
1296574;1444609926;asciilifeform;'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new.
1296575;1444610025;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296518 << yes!!
1296576;1444610025;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 23:42:59; mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.
1296577;1444610036;phf;by the way i stopped by some russian bookstore on the way to saunas and spotted this utterly ridiculous shalamov cover http://static.ozone.ru/multimedia/books_covers/1011527549.jpg. i don't even.
1296578;1444610037;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoOpVA )
1296579;1444610117;asciilifeform;what's ridiculous? that he's standing right next to the wire? sure.
1296580;1444610150;asciilifeform;in the fine tradition of sf cover art, where the artist must never, under any circumstances, know anything at all about the inside of the book.
1296581;1444610172;phf;hehe, indeed
1296582;1444610228;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296461 << dead link
1296583;1444610228;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:09:34; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz
1296584;1444610228;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1296585;1444610254;phf;or that there's wire to begin with, or that he has a fur hat, or some semblance of warm clothes. or the "sharapov and the bandit part 5" style of print
1296586;1444610271;asciilifeform;archetype.
1296587;1444610286;asciilifeform;just like the ubiquitous sherlock holmes with the funny hat and misshapen pipe
1296588;1444610347;asciilifeform;or viking with horns
1296589;1444610362;asciilifeform;this is also known as kabuki.
1296590;1444610370;asciilifeform;(where we get 'ninjas wear black')
1296591;1444610635;phf;i guess that's kind of like seeing conan the barbarian cover on beowulf
1296592;1444610643;asciilifeform;exactly.
1296593;1444610658;asciilifeform;betcha there is such an edition.
1296594;1444610672;asciilifeform;look for it in major american book shops.
1296595;1444610700;asciilifeform;http://resizing.flixster.com/erPsTE8te0dgJJw4vd29-f_pgLw=/800x1200/dkpu1ddg7pbsk.cloudfront.net/movie/11/16/97/11169776_ori.jpg << and guess what.
1296596;1444610704;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoPixd )
1296597;1444610704;phf;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0442933/ <<
1296598;1444610705;assbot;La légende de Beowulf (2007) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoPkVT )
1296599;1444610710;asciilifeform;aha, it.
1296600;1444611010;mod6;asciilifeform: <+mod6> Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down.  Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
1296601;1444611049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like what other ways ? you're not willing to spend 12 hours a day beating them
1296602;1444611079;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not minefields ?
1296603;1444611089;asciilifeform;and i hear auto-turrets have come a long way!
1296604;1444611093;asciilifeform;as seen in korean dmz.
1296605;1444611101;asciilifeform;and south africa.
1296606;1444611181;asciilifeform;i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great
1296607;1444611192;phf;biggest disappointment of visiting northrop grumman one time-- no auto-turrets. i thought surely there if nowhere else.
1296608;1444611212;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296471 << i have the only altar and the only sacrifice-giving skill item; whoever would agree to be my apprentice would use my altar with my ingredients and give me all the loot, and in return they would get the experience
1296609;1444611212;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:20:00; mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron  ?
1296610;1444611213;asciilifeform;phf: try aircraft carrier
1296611;1444611238;mircea_popescu;you seem to be of the same persuasion  of the good folk making "bitpurse.io".
1296612;1444611245;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is the landmine going to identify them!
1296613;1444611260;mircea_popescu;"oh, forger the hard problems involved while i focus on painting the fence! that'll do it!"
1296614;1444611261;mircea_popescu;no, srsly ?
1296615;1444611268;asciilifeform;ask the israelis
1296616;1444611278;mircea_popescu;if it were as simple as orc = black we'd have long exterminated the blacks and be living in paradise
1296617;1444611282;mircea_popescu;shit dun work.
1296618;1444611329;mircea_popescu;<phf> asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring? << more calmly explained, because pgp is marked for death. we're working deliberately towards replacing it.
1296619;1444611330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61392 @ 0.00048224 = 29.6057 BTC [+] {3} 
1296620;1444611360;asciilifeform;the way this works best is that the guard knows everyone who belongs inside the wire, by face.
1296621;1444611368;asciilifeform;anyone else has to sit in a cage and get 'buzzed in.'
1296622;1444611369;phf;i gather as much from elsewhere in the logs
1296623;1444611384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and HOW does he know them.
1296624;1444611401;mircea_popescu;by face or by post devirgination remains irrespective.
1296625;1444611443;asciilifeform;ideally, guard is one of the residents, who take turns on checkpoint duty.
1296626;1444611458;asciilifeform;and know one another.
1296627;1444611465;asciilifeform;in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense.
1296628;1444611495;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
1296629;1444611505;mircea_popescu;more like scoursos umanos, but enfin.
1296630;1444611510;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1296631;1444611560;mircea_popescu;your working projector intended for a home was 1k new, their "cinema multiplexo!11" projector was prolly 2k and they bought it on time, so paid 5k or w/e.
1296632;1444611574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.0004748 = 38.3638 BTC [-]
1296633;1444611618;mircea_popescu;anyway. the problem is not identification in the sense of this x = the x we know to be ok.
1296634;1444611631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder if the blurry '90s thing was installed... deliberately! if it did not smudge, no one would know it is digital!!1!!11
1296635;1444611643;mircea_popescu;the problem is that given a facebook friendlist of 50k imbecile 20something females who, if asked "like to read" and then if pressed are apparently unaware that books EVEN HAVE AUTHORS
1296636;1444611647;mircea_popescu;which do you let in.
1296637;1444611663;asciilifeform;ah, problem of 'who gets to move in' ?
1296638;1444611670;mircea_popescu;well doh. how do you identify the nigger.
1296639;1444611716;asciilifeform;well, first you check the applicant's forehead for brands.
1296640;1444611743;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> (where we get 'ninjas wear black') << weren't ninjas wearing black because convention for "not visible" ?
1296641;1444611749;asciilifeform;if you don't see 'T' (thief), 'M' (mayhem)....
1296642;1444611752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct
1296643;1444611797;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great <<< how the fuck are you gonna manage this wonder. so you select a woman. and her spawn will... regress to the mean. of course. and she'll love it anwyay. of course. and now what ?
1296644;1444611800;asciilifeform;... no brands? he gets to have a chat with the residents
1296645;1444611828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reintroducing starvation would go a long way.
1296646;1444611838;mircea_popescu;so then you should be a fan of the rent bezzle.\
1296647;1444611849;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the only thing working to starve reddit into submission.
1296648;1444611868;asciilifeform;not seeing this submission
1296649;1444611909;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense. << the OTHER problem with this is that there isn't eno9ugh space in the dunbar-based graph to cram everything you need.
1296650;1444611920;mircea_popescu;even something as tiny as a porn studio will not be served by the model.
1296651;1444611932;asciilifeform;how's that
1296652;1444611939;mircea_popescu;let's go through the list.
1296653;1444611980;mircea_popescu;modest studio = 6 camera people + 9 or so trainees ; about two dozen fluffers + administrative assistants ; about 2-300 models ; cleanning and maintenance crew ; execs and other suits.
1296654;1444611989;mircea_popescu;you're over 300 people. they won't know each other.\
1296655;1444612014;mircea_popescu;and this is not even fucking paramount or nlc ; and those are jack shit, basically they produce footage, big whoop. try making an atomic dirigible next.
1296656;1444612048;asciilifeform;except in this hypothetical, we are not designing a soviet rocket factory, and pondering how to keep out spies from washington.
1296657;1444612063;asciilifeform;we're designing a residential complex, and trying to keep out destructive lumpens
1296658;1444612065;mircea_popescu;while designing a rocket factory that also produces jam.
1296659;1444612080;mircea_popescu;this arbitrary division is naught but naivite in a wrapper.
1296660;1444612150;asciilifeform;i doubt that any usaschwitz inmate would have a serious problem distinguishing 'want this as neighbour' from 'do not want' in five minutes of conversation.
1296661;1444612167;mircea_popescu;i guarantee you no ustard could discern anything from his own shit.
1296662;1444612179;asciilifeform;in practice, the 'do not want' is identifiable with minimal effort. because these are not spies from washington, but human refuse
1296663;1444612183;mircea_popescu;people like the orcs themselves are eversoslighty better at it\
1296664;1444612194;mircea_popescu;but at the massive cost of not doing anything worth the mention ever.
1296665;1444612204;mircea_popescu;a la cecens. they can distinguish non-worthy dogfucker, yes.
1296666;1444612213;mircea_popescu;problem is, they distinguish him by how he doesn't fuck goats like they all doi.
1296667;1444612270;asciilifeform;where i live, at present, any experimentation in selectors ~other than rent bezzle~ is specifically forbidden by usg.
1296668;1444612277;mircea_popescu;this may be true,
1296669;1444612283;asciilifeform;but if it were not, different approaches could be tried
1296670;1444612287;mircea_popescu;but it does not automatically make the emplaced system unoptimal.
1296671;1444612298;asciilifeform;say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'
1296672;1444612317;mircea_popescu;for that matter, also wheree you live, anything but oxygen respiration is forbidden by biology.
1296673;1444612322;mircea_popescu;if it wasn't, alternatives could be tried.
1296674;1444612328;mircea_popescu;sure, they could be tried. what of the trying.
1296675;1444612337;asciilifeform;there is this thing called 'freedom of association'. used to be a thing in usa.
1296676;1444612357;asciilifeform;today - specifically banned. if you want to sell or rent a house, it has to be done like-so.
1296677;1444612361;asciilifeform;or jail.
1296678;1444612366;mircea_popescu;you're still free to associate. buy a building, let your own slavegirls populate it frere of charge.
1296679;1444612380;asciilifeform;buy rocket, build dome on mars, yes.
1296680;1444612388;mircea_popescu;freedom was never for the poor.
1296681;1444612391;mircea_popescu;not ever.
1296682;1444612421;asciilifeform;which is where we get to the sacramental:
1296683;1444612422;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116
1296684;1444612422;assbot;Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.'  cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family'  mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
1296685;1444612441;mircea_popescu;either that or make some money.
1296686;1444612477;asciilifeform;i have a sequel!
1296687;1444612490;mircea_popescu;and in yet another branch off this tree, im not even sure your ideas of selection would be a net positive.
1296688;1444612503;mircea_popescu;only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
1296689;1444612505;mircea_popescu;and anthropology.
1296690;1444612515;mircea_popescu;phf doesn't even look like he finished college.
1296691;1444612522;asciilifeform;asciilifeform: 'my mandatory plastic toilet has chipped.' mircea_popescu: 'whaddayamean' asciilifeform: 'well, broke.' mircea_popescu: 'make some money! buy iridium toilet, like normal person!'
1296692;1444612571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notice that i did not say 'exterminate people who didn't graduate in maths.' i said 'what if people had freedom of association.' the example give was, well, an example.
1296693;1444612580;asciilifeform;not a formula for robotic extermination army.
1296694;1444612599;mircea_popescu;the example given was well, a case of dwimnwis.
1296695;1444612663;asciilifeform;if one demands a 'final solution' - yes. but what i asked for was the freedom to try solutions other than bezzle.
1296696;1444612692;mircea_popescu;yeah. except the absence of this freedom is no proof that the freedom would benefit, and your hypotheses as presented are unpersuasive.
1296697;1444612747;mircea_popescu;and since we're picking on the structure of reality, why not the freedom to be a different height. maybe if you could experiment with height you'd have more pleasant urinatory experiences or who knows what.
1296698;1444612758;asciilifeform;l0l
1296699;1444612764;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, you know the joke with the short guy in the public restroom ?
1296700;1444612767;asciilifeform;hm?
1296701;1444612783;mircea_popescu;a tall guy that has visible parkinson and a short guy happen in the same restroom
1296702;1444612791;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is wrong with you ? asks shorty
1296703;1444612797;mircea_popescu;well... you see... parkinson...
1296704;1444612803;mircea_popescu;at which the shorty starts breakdancing too\
1296705;1444612810;mircea_popescu;"what happened ? also parkinson ?"
1296706;1444612819;mircea_popescu;"no, i just don't like having piss in my ears"
1296707;1444612827;asciilifeform;l0lz
1296708;1444612862;mircea_popescu;so yeah, if only we could experiment with height i could fuck throats standing.
1296709;1444612903;mircea_popescu;meanwhile if you're curious and bored, read the coupla excellent mongraphs re life in london cca 1800.
1296710;1444612908;asciilifeform;yes, i get it, iridium toilet on atomic dirigible is very spiffy
1296711;1444612911;mircea_popescu;that was a place where very much such freedom to experiment.
1296712;1444612912;asciilifeform;for those who have it.
1296713;1444612926;asciilifeform;you mean the post-enclosures london?
1296714;1444612929;asciilifeform;flooded with angry orcs?
1296715;1444612931;mircea_popescu;all the coats were gray from all the home heating expwerimentation, and 40% of the population lived off processing garbage.\
1296716;1444612934;asciilifeform;mega-example
1296717;1444612938;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, see warsaw jews.
1296718;1444612942;asciilifeform;same idea
1296719;1444612952;mircea_popescu;maybe part of why they got fucking exterminated like cows was that they LIVED LIKE FUCKING COWS ?????
1296720;1444612960;mircea_popescu;who knows ; who could have predicted ; etc.
1296721;1444612983;asciilifeform;cows would take offense
1296722;1444613002;mircea_popescu;i dunnop that there existed anything more offensive than the jewish ghetto of eastern europe cca 1920.
1296723;1444613015;mircea_popescu;and that was a rather direct result of "freedom to experiment".
1296724;1444613038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41975 @ 0.00048227 = 20.2433 BTC [+] {2} 
1296725;1444613053;asciilifeform;afaik this was not a case of 'freedom to experiment' but of imprisonment
1296726;1444613061;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do you think freedom is.
1296727;1444613067;mircea_popescu;where's that great song
1296728;1444613080;mircea_popescu;;;google and my dirty red bandanna
1296729;1444613081;gribble;Me And Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin Songfacts: <http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=485>; Took my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana – Me and Bobby ...: <http://genius.com/1538822/Kris-kristofferson-me-and-bobby-mcgee/Took-my-harpoon-out-of-my-dirty-red-bandana>; I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana / I was playing soft ...: <http://genius.com/1028438/Janis- (1 more message)
1296730;1444613089;mircea_popescu;aha. check it out, sometimes it hits.
1296731;1444613099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59381 @ 0.00048673 = 28.9025 BTC [+]
1296732;1444613234;asciilifeform;the way i see it, in present-day usa you have the choice of buying plastic toilet with rusty nails instead of a seat, or iridium toilet.
1296733;1444613242;asciilifeform;all i'd like is the option of ordinary porcelain.
1296734;1444613246;asciilifeform;like 50yrs ago.
1296735;1444613263;asciilifeform;because iridium is pricey and i'd like to use the money to buy turkeys.
1296736;1444613358;asciilifeform;i've spoken to enough old folks in usa, dug through enough archives, old advertisements, to know what people earned and what they paid for a roof over their head.
1296737;1444613361;asciilifeform;in various times.
1296738;1444613391;mircea_popescu;tis not so simple yo.
1296739;1444613401;mircea_popescu;the people in those various times were supported by earnest empire.
1296740;1444613411;mircea_popescu;loo kwhat the chinese coolie earned in singapore in the same times.
1296741;1444613770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44419 @ 0.00048251 = 21.4326 BTC [-]
1296742;1444613999;mircea_popescu;"Gmail Para Tu Negocio Ahora pod�s verte m�s profesional con un e-mail personalizado."
1296743;1444614025;mircea_popescu;the irony being that they exactly got it : these fucktards actually believe gonzalez@gmail.com is "moar professional".
1296744;1444614067;mircea_popescu;just like bums drag around broken iphones. they might not work, but fuck, he's practically like almost one step removed from actual humanity. those great fabulous half-god creatures that actually use iphones and actually have professions.
1296745;1444614072;mircea_popescu;what's an argentine to do ?
1296746;1444614360;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the smarter kids fort, http://41.media.tumblr.com/2acd27e393e94288e05c0482302669c6/tumblr_nuohzcEyOi1ttqu7ro1_1280.jpg
1296747;1444614360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jjukUC )
1296748;1444614563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133571 @ 0.00048707 = 65.0584 BTC [+] {3} 
1296749;1444614897;asciilifeform;over here, they have working iphones.
1296750;1444615112;mircea_popescu;sure.
1296751;1444615417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82465 @ 0.00048737 = 40.191 BTC [+] {2} 
1296752;1444615844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00048764 = 5.4616 BTC [+]
1296753;1444617247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13481 @ 0.00048338 = 6.5164 BTC [-]
1296754;1444619260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.0004793 = 22.9105 BTC [-]
1296755;1444619748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65949 @ 0.00047929 = 31.6087 BTC [-] {2} 
1296756;1444619809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38751 @ 0.00047521 = 18.4149 BTC [-] {3} 
1296757;1444621069;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6793
1296758;1444621071;assbot;Bump minrelaytxfee default by laanwj · Pull Request #6793 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3lP4Q )
1296759;1444621574;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/nI0jE
1296760;1444621575;assbot;800lb Steven Assanti is caught on camera harassing a nurse | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqUAHJ )
1296761;1444621676;mircea_popescu;ustardian so far lost in this "telling your own story" pipe dream, can't even tell a story anymore.
1296762;1444621692;mircea_popescu;where's the "and then i harassed some nurses" chapter in the man's own rendering of his saga ?
1296763;1444622066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140350 @ 0.00047475 = 66.6312 BTC [-] {3} 
1296764;1444622137;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1296765;1444622211;BingoBoingo;What they don't tell people about the pipe dream is what really goes through the pipe
1296766;1444622518;pete_dushenski;;;later tell ben_vulpes keep the blog posts acomin' please !
1296767;1444622518;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1296768;1444622549;pete_dushenski;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/10_supplys-down-demands-up-better-get-the-state-involved.html << particularly more like this
1296769;1444622551;assbot;Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqVSCH )
1296770;1444622648;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296402 << calling them 'patients' gives me the creeps for some reason. maybe it's because i just read 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' and have lobotomising mental hospitals on my mind..
1296771;1444622648;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 20:07:23; asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'
1296772;1444622788;pete_dushenski;still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
1296773;1444622975;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296418 << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.
1296774;1444622975;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 20:09:50; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s
1296775;1444623066;pete_dushenski;the commie pretty much hung himself last week in saying that he'd defend niqabists. the incumbent conservative told the pakis to pack their bags, essentially affirming that this is a christian country with christian values
1296776;1444623111;pete_dushenski;i should say, 'one of the commies', there are two main commie parties in canada : 'new democratic party' and 'liberal party'
1296777;1444623138;phf;pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
1296778;1444623181;pete_dushenski;but harper (conservative incumbent) is essentially correct, so no huge shock that he's increased his lead in polls. it's his to lose and he hasn't tripped up yet. not bad after a decade in power, really.
1296779;1444623314;pete_dushenski;phf: kesey definitely sells the acid angle.
1296780;1444623371;pete_dushenski;and i'll take your word for it on nicholson. strangely, i've only seen him in 'batman', 'anger management', and 'the departed', which were all when he was older. past his prime clearly.
1296781;1444623403;pete_dushenski;i guess batman was 1989 but god help me if i can remember that movie
1296782;1444623412;pete_dushenski;i was but a wee lad.
1296783;1444623515;phf;it's my favorite batman :) there's a word in russian, kapustnik, which is basically a movie or a festival, where a bunch of strong and famous performers get together to ham it up for fun
1296784;1444623591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00047405 = 13.6052 BTC [-] {3} 
1296785;1444623616;phf;i rewatched it recently, and it's one of those movies that's awesome when you're 12, and then you see just how bad it is, when you're past your 20s
1296786;1444623624;pete_dushenski;phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
1296787;1444623637;pete_dushenski;kapustnik*
1296788;1444623704;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296449 << hehe zinga.
1296789;1444623704;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 20:20:41; ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.
1296790;1444623818;phf;oh that makes sense, i've never thought of his movies that way, but he'd obviously be familiar with the form, being konigsberg
1296791;1444623882;pete_dushenski;aha
1296792;1444623972;*;pete_dushenski had to look up 'konigsberg', found that it's both a baltic port city ~and~ woody allen's pre-filmstar surname
1296793;1444624018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.0004763 = 35.3891 BTC [+]
1296794;1444624047;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296472 << this was the 'is it corn-free ?' article the other day.
1296795;1444624047;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:21:42; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.
1296796;1444624066;pete_dushenski;99% science-free prosecution ! guaranteed or your money back !
1296797;1444624158;phf;but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
1296798;1444624173;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296491 << children too.
1296799;1444624173;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:48:18; kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie
1296800;1444624201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00047684 = 23.842 BTC [+] {2} 
1296801;1444624360;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296487 << bahaha of course all the derps in newspapers and whatever else won't shut up about 'the martian' and how it's 'so wonderful' and 'just as good as the book' that they obviously haven't read.
1296802;1444624360;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 21:42:49; phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was
1296803;1444624388;pete_dushenski;i had the same overhyped vibe from 'interstellar', which was pointedly atrocious.
1296804;1444624494;pete_dushenski;maybe if you were completely unfamiliar with the scifi genre, such as it is (asimov, heinlein, clarke, etc.) then it might pass the sniff test. but good god did i find it offensively bad. just spoonfeeding the viewer like they were fresh out of the womb.
1296805;1444624545;pete_dushenski;after 'interstellar', which i didn't even pay to see !, there's no way i'd see 'the martian', free or not.
1296806;1444624559;pete_dushenski;that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.
1296807;1444625038;phf;same issue with the martian. a mix of obsessive askreddit style scientism with startrek handwaiving, lots of things explained through exposition dialogue, lots of feel good "america! nasa! feelings!". zero value as a movie. i mean, there's an underdog character who Figures It Out and then he can be a complete aspy to The Big Boss, because he's now recognized as an authority
1296808;1444625148;pete_dushenski;ya sorta figured as much. if i wanted a propaganda movie i'd watch triumph des willens again.
1296809;1444625193;pete_dushenski;but hey, showing hitler's 1935 classic wouldn't break box office records for the umpteenth billion time this year... or would it ?
1296810;1444625234;phf;thing is, unless bad scifi movies, where you have plot, babes and action, this is clearly targeted at the new nerds. like agile consultants at web startups, who follow nasa twitter? ain't no way this nation ever getting to mars, is my conclusion from watching this movie.
1296811;1444625243;phf;*unlike bad
1296812;1444625331;pete_dushenski;the kind for whom a pilgrimage to mecca is visiting comic-con in california, yes
1296813;1444625361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183297 @ 0.00047647 = 87.3355 BTC [-] {5} 
1296814;1444625502;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296628 << i loled
1296815;1444625502;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 00:58:15; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
1296816;1444625981;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296671 << /me waves at new neighbour
1296817;1444625981;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 01:11:38; asciilifeform: say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'
1296818;1444626072;pete_dushenski;though why you'd want to specifically live next to the idjits like me too stubborn not to drop out, i dunno
1296819;1444626126;pete_dushenski;i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
1296820;1444626154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66562 @ 0.00047571 = 31.6642 BTC [-]
1296821;1444626308;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296688 << ok. we'll let philosophisers in too :P
1296822;1444626308;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 01:15:03; mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
1296823;1444626580;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2015/10/09/the-devils-dictionary-of-post-crisis-finance/ << this is what passes for 'edgy' in fiat finance. grade : b-.
1296824;1444626581;assbot;The Devil’s Dictionary of Post-Crisis Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIZKzY )
1296825;1444627740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133632 @ 0.00047737 = 63.7919 BTC [+] {4} 
1296826;1444628228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00047398 = 18.8407 BTC [-]
1296827;1444629022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41742 @ 0.00047517 = 19.8345 BTC [+]
1296828;1444629849;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2014/12/em-physician/
1296829;1444629851;assbot;45yo EM Physician Reflects Back Upon 4.0 GPA in College While Manually Disimpacting Patient | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1G88c9z )
1296830;1444630097;pete_dushenski;Next he was handed a chart to begin assessing his next patient for a chief complaint of “left eyebrow pain for 10 minutes”." << lolz.
1296831;1444630109;pete_dushenski;the joys of being in a servile profession.
1296832;1444631529;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/argentina-fake-weddings-falsa-boda << arhentina is, like, the saddest place on earth. seriously, world vision should do their next film shoot there.
1296833;1444631530;assbot;I do ... not really: young Argentinians spurn real weddings for fake ones | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8aBRy )
1296834;1444631713;pete_dushenski;"sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
1296835;1444631758;pete_dushenski;coming to a norteamericano dance hall near you in 2025
1296836;1444632986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00047517 = 20.2422 BTC [+]
1296837;1444633718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95756 @ 0.00047457 = 45.4429 BTC [-] {2} 
1296838;1444634510;punkman;lol https://medium.com/eidolon/why-is-stoicism-having-a-cultural-moment-5f0e9963d560
1296839;1444634511;assbot;Why is Stoicism Having a Cultural Moment? — EIDOLON — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAVrr1 )
1296840;1444634938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45183 @ 0.00047856 = 21.6228 BTC [+] {2} 
1296841;1444635053;punkman;oh and they have an institute http://www.paideiainstitute.org/programs
1296842;1444635056;assbot;The Paideia Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAWmHM )
1296843;1444635914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00047751 = 4.3453 BTC [-]
1296844;1444636341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0004782 = 4.1125 BTC [+]
1296845;1444636890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00047522 = 7.0333 BTC [-]
1296846;1444637195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73550 @ 0.00047365 = 34.837 BTC [-] {4} 
1296847;1444637271;punkman;from fake wedding link: “It all started two years ago with a group of friends: we realized we  hadn’t been to a wedding in a long time because hardly anybody is  getting married anymore,” << and this was a problem that needed fixing????!!
1296848;1444637810;punkman;"A typical “fake wedding” hosts about 600 or 700 paying guests" * $50 = $30k, say the venue charges $25 per head, that's a lot of pesos leftover
1296849;1444638035;punkman;"Hired actors play the bride, groom and a surprise third party: a spurned  lover or secret boyfriend who arrives “unexpectedly” – and with  dramatic results."
1296850;1444638053;punkman;I guess that's fun if you are into soaps
1296851;1444638110;fluffypony;this sounds like a dumb version of those murder mystery dinners
1296852;1444638123;punkman;I'd go if the theme was "rosemary's baby" or something
1296853;1444638523;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/article_email/coming-soon-from-china-a-400-million-bonanza-for-u-s-startups-1444622462-lMyQjAxMTE1NTEwMjgxMjI2Wj
1296854;1444638524;assbot;Coming Soon From China: A $400 Million Bonanza for U.S. Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MmMgV0 )
1296855;1444638563;punkman;"[$400m] will be doled out slowly, however, says Mr. Ravikant, so as not to  overwhelm the market. In the first year, AngelList will disperse about  $20 million of the money, ramping up to $50 million a year in subsequent  years."  and "on a recent trip to China, two different limited partners each offered  him $500 million, but “we’re limited in how much capital we can absorb,”"
1296856;1444638588;punkman;I don't understand this
1296857;1444638842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55636 @ 0.00047354 = 26.3459 BTC [-]
1296858;1444640733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00047342 = 25.5173 BTC [-] {2} 
1296859;1444641587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78797 @ 0.00047338 = 37.3009 BTC [-]
1296860;1444641831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00047522 = 2.8988 BTC [+]
1296861;1444642320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.00047754 = 37.1049 BTC [+]
1296862;1444643051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00047754 = 23.4233 BTC [+] {2} 
1296863;1444643112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00047338 = 19.953 BTC [-] {2} 
1296864;1444643234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00047338 = 16.4026 BTC [-]
1296865;1444644088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00047853 = 31.6787 BTC [+]
1296866;1444644405;jurov;punkman imo the keyword is "burn rate"
1296867;1444644538;punkman;jurov: but why did he turn down a billion from the chinese?
1296868;1444644698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00047338 = 20.308 BTC [-]
1296869;1444645072;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] Les remittances en questions - http://fr.anco.is/2015/les-remittances-en-questions/
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1296880;1444645823;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296772 << for a movie it's alright, but not such a great transposition; the whole thing about "the combine" is omitted
1296881;1444645823;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:06:28; pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
1296882;1444645935;trinque;ah there it is
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1296885;1444645946;deedbot-;http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml added.
1296886;1444646033;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] just another day in sunny cascadia - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html
1296887;1444646033;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] adult breakfast-for-dinner - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/27_adult-breakfast-for-dinner.html
1296888;1444646034;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html
1296889;1444646034;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_excising-dns-lookups-from-bitcoind-asciilifeforms-patches.html
1296890;1444646035;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/10_supplys-down-demands-up-better-get-the-state-involved.html
1296891;1444646035;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] dakota french toast, fried bananas and salad - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/11_dakota-french-toast-fried-bananas-and-salad.html
1296892;1444646220;danielpbarron;I don't know about this "acting range" of nicholson, but Chinatown is a great film staring him
1296893;1444646406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166123 @ 0.00047338 = 78.6393 BTC [-]
1296894;1444647138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100500 @ 0.00047855 = 48.0943 BTC [+] {3} 
1296895;1444647504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79230 @ 0.0004736 = 37.5233 BTC [-]
1296896;1444648724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00047864 = 31.2073 BTC [+] {2} 
1296897;1444650432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42079 @ 0.0004734 = 19.9202 BTC [-] {2} 
1296898;1444650493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 194601 @ 0.00047321 = 92.0871 BTC [-] {5} 
1296899;1444651078;punkman;http://www.strategicvoting.ca/
1296900;1444651079;assbot;Strategic Voting 2015 Canadian Federal Election | don’t make a statement, make a difference ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3XQ5y )
1296901;1444651286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137848 @ 0.00047921 = 66.0581 BTC [+] {6} 
1296902;1444651896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00047848 = 14.2109 BTC [-]
1296903;1444652933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00047848 = 14.9047 BTC [-]
1296904;1444653287;*;mircea_popescu goes to check out ba log, types lol. is surprised nothing comes up. fixes to log. gets the log.
1296905;1444653310;mircea_popescu;apparently my brain decided to cut to the chase, what "log", you're clearly going for the day's lols!
1296906;1444653544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00047945 = 27.6163 BTC [+] {3} 
1296907;1444653728;jurov;punkman: they are aiming for certain burn rate extent. anything below *and above* it won't cut it
1296908;1444653784;jurov;i learned that thanks to reptilia and his sauna conference :D
1296909;1444653909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00047956 = 7.0735 BTC [+]
1296910;1444654580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 326250 @ 0.00048236 = 157.37 BTC [+] {6} 
1296911;1444655551;mircea_popescu;o you were there ?
1296912;1444656227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107488 @ 0.00048302 = 51.9189 BTC [+]
1296913;1444656723;jurov;nooo, only read the fallout
1296914;1444657264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176812 @ 0.00048338 = 85.4674 BTC [+] {4} 
1296915;1444657501;mircea_popescu;ah
1296916;1444657691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88908 @ 0.00048644 = 43.2484 BTC [+] {3} 
1296917;1444658106;mircea_popescu;...
1296918;1444658819;hdbuck;good day mircea_popescu
1296919;1444658832;mircea_popescu;hey
1296920;1444658958;hdbuck;i’ve been researching mpex stocks, through btc-alpha mostly and mpex, but the informations seems divergent as per the divs distributed
1296921;1444659036;jurov;yes, mircea himself has problems sometimes :)
1296922;1444659082;hdbuck;why woudl the info on mpex says 132.98367617 BTC on 18-09-15//Per share: 26 satoshi. but the latest monthly statement says Profit : 274.20932881 BTC
1296923;1444659103;hdbuck;maybe i missed something
1296924;1444659116;mike_c;not all the shares are on mpex
1296925;1444659130;mike_c;so not all the profit is distributed there as dividends
1296926;1444659141;hdbuck;what is the ratio then?
1296927;1444659149;mike_c;depends on the stock
1296928;1444659251;thestringpuller;for mpex it's 1 bn - some_public_number here
1296929;1444659260;thestringpuller;in terms of shares
1296930;1444659268;thestringpuller;mpoe has 1 bn total shares
1296931;1444659277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00048689 = 2.8483 BTC [+]
1296932;1444659299;hdbuck;ah i see, any chance you would update them on btc-alpha? also volumes would be appreciated.
1296933;1444659316;mike_c;update what?
1296934;1444659390;mike_c;for mpex it's 50/50.
1296935;1444659402;hdbuck;ok
1296936;1444659412;mike_c;what were you asking me to update on btcalpha?
1296937;1444659434;thestringpuller;it's 50:50 already?
1296938;1444659438;thestringpuller;the plan is almost complete...
1296939;1444659448;hdbuck;the ratio of mpex shares that get divs
1296940;1444659455;mike_c;they all get divs :)
1296941;1444659477;mike_c;see, half of s.mpoe shares are on mpex, so dividends are paid there.
1296942;1444659491;mike_c;the other half are *not* on mpex, and the dividends are paid elsewhere.
1296943;1444659497;thestringpuller;i didn't realize 500 mn shares were public
1296944;1444659507;thestringpuller;"public owned"
1296945;1444659513;hdbuck;i see, so the other half being hold by mp right?
1296946;1444659518;mike_c;they aren't.  mircea has a mpex account too
1296947;1444659547;thestringpuller;mike_c: guess I have to add up the shares sold by owner based on trilema
1296948;1444659548;mike_c;the other half held by mp in case of mpex, yes
1296949;1444659577;hdbuck;alright, thank you
1296950;1444659582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118041 @ 0.00048716 = 57.5049 BTC [+] {3} 
1296951;1444659663;hdbuck;also, as i understand trading via irc allows mpex to be more resilient, woudltn it be nice tho to make a more user friendly website for, say more advertizing > traffic > trades > revenues ?
1296952;1444659685;mike_c;that's what coinbr is for
1296953;1444659696;mike_c;talk to jurov if you don't like the logo
1296954;1444659740;hdbuck;yes, i just created an account there, but i mean,  i’d personally argue it lacks some charts, no offense tho.
1296955;1444659767;thestringpuller;hdbuck: that's why btcalpha mpex tools exists for atm?
1296956;1444659777;thestringpuller;mike_c: put the best charts up there
1296957;1444659839;hdbuck;thestringpuller yes sure, i understand, i’d still value some trade volumes to estimate the liquidity of the stocks there
1296958;1444659869;mike_c;i could add volumes
1296959;1444659874;mike_c;i'll add it to the todo list
1296960;1444659889;hdbuck;thx ::)
1296961;1444660070;hdbuck;anyway, been a long time since i lurked, i think you guys are quite outsmarting the corporatist wannabes, and i like the sorta outraging honesty approach. so thanks.
1296962;1444660128;thestringpuller;hdbuck: didn't you contribute to qntra tho?
1296963;1444660172;thestringpuller;http://qntra.net/author/hdbuck/
1296964;1444660253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00048676 = 28.3294 BTC [-]
1296965;1444660446;hdbuck;thestringpuller yes very humbly
1296966;1444660481;hdbuck;and with the assistance of bingoboingo :)
1296967;1444660497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00048676 = 5.0623 BTC [-]
1296968;1444660638;mircea_popescu;<hdbuck> maybe i missed something << only half the shares get actually traded.
1296969;1444660641;mircea_popescu;see teh contracts.
1296970;1444660696;hdbuck;mircea_popescu got it, ty, while im still at it, maybe you could enlighten me as therealbtf client.. how am i supposed to make it work?
1296971;1444660848;mircea_popescu;well specifically what problem are you running into ?
1296972;1444660971;hdbuck;well, im not even sure where to start with ^^
1296973;1444660997;thestringpuller;rotor pretty much builds the static on anything...
1296974;1444661017;mircea_popescu;you should probably start with the mailing list.
1296975;1444661045;mircea_popescu;;;google the real bitcoin foundation
1296976;1444661046;gribble;The Bitcoin Foundation: <http://thebitcoin.foundation/>; The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation: <http://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/>; Bitcoin Foundation News - CoinDesk: <http://www.coindesk.com/companies/bitcoin-foundation/>
1296977;1444661054;mircea_popescu;heh.
1296978;1444661147;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296777 << i thought that was in "as good as it gets".
1296979;1444661147;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:12:18; phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
1296980;1444661160;mircea_popescu;tho he does a lot of these "actual old/wounded male interacting with fucktarded us women" things.
1296981;1444661177;mircea_popescu;i forgot what the one is where he fucks a woman's twennysomething daughter and then ends up marring the woman.
1296982;1444661291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17295 @ 0.00048815 = 8.4426 BTC [+] {3} 
1296983;1444661395;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296786 << minus the strong actors. what, b lister mia farrow ?
1296984;1444661395;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:20:24; pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
1296985;1444661493;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296797 << actually, you ever saw http://trilema.com/2015/young-frankenstein/#selection-31.40-35.15 ?
1296986;1444661493;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:29:18; phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
1296987;1444661493;assbot;Young Frankenstein on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgx3ou )
1296988;1444661616;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296806 << nobody cancelled walking out
1296989;1444661616;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:35:59; pete_dushenski: that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.
1296990;1444661629;*;mircea_popescu has to date walked out on > 80% of performances in buenos aires, of all kinds.
1296991;1444661642;mircea_popescu;and the ones where i stayed it was mostly because table and alcohol.
1296992;1444661656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00048902 = 16.1866 BTC [+]
1296993;1444661742;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296819 << google did that for a decade. it worked.
1296994;1444661742;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 05:02:06; pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
1296995;1444661744;mircea_popescu;for a decade.
1296996;1444661803;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296821 << that's not the problem, i don't need you to let me in. the problem is that you don't have the means to distinguish between one "humanities" and another humanities. that's the fucking problem. you can sort out a bad engineer in all of five minutes, just ask pointed questions.
1296997;1444661803;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 05:05:08; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296688 << ok. we'll let philosophisers in too :P
1296998;1444661814;mircea_popescu;but do you let lacan in ?
1296999;1444661839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00048947 = 17.0825 BTC [+] {3} 
1297000;1444661859;deedbot-;[Trilema] So... is it a virus ? - http://trilema.com/2015/so-is-it-a-virus/
1297001;1444662014;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296834 << eh this is a thing in romania/eastern europe too. they do a summer festival over in the student quarter, let kids marry for a day.
1297002;1444662014;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 06:35:13; pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
1297003;1444662029;mircea_popescu;it's a european festival thing with ancient tradition, if you will.
1297004;1444662158;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296856 << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn't have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.
1297005;1444662158;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 08:29:48; punkman: I don't understand this
1297006;1444662179;mircea_popescu;"The power is traded for the fetish of power.  That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it. "
1297007;1444662214;mircea_popescu;seems the two parties are finding an amiable solution. win-win as they say : china is more than happy to own the ground, and us is more than happy to continue pretending indefinitely.
1297008;1444662244;mircea_popescu;this is practically rome conquering greece. tho im kinda curious to see if the us actually has in it anything OTHER than byzantium.
1297009;1444662489;mircea_popescu;"The final piece of the puzzle is a bonkers fiscal environment driving capital misallocation on a scale that tiny shot-pulling brains simply cannot wrap themselves around. Take Adam, Bill, and Charlie: three young men who all attended Harvard together, and went into finance seperately."
1297010;1444662502;mircea_popescu;me likes the way ben_vulpes's stylistics is distilling itself over time.
1297011;1444662998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21810 @ 0.00048676 = 10.6162 BTC [-]
1297012;1444664179;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how much DO tickets actually cost ?
1297013;1444664201;mircea_popescu;(thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
1297014;1444665061;mircea_popescu;so i started on that medium article, by the 2nd paragraph i was skimming, by the 8th or so i bailed. i guess not the demo.
1297015;1444665377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00048676 = 14.7732 BTC [-]
1297016;1444666690;mircea_popescu;"However, not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings?  Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is do
1297017;1444666690;mircea_popescu;ubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier."
1297018;1444666717;mircea_popescu;fucking ballas. he's like this crazy drug addled chick you knew when you were a teen and STILL catch up  with occasionally because hot damn...
1297019;1444667029;ben_vulpes;!up ascii_field
1297020;1444667030;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1297021;1444667037;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how is rent not a scalar?
1297022;1444667046;mircea_popescu;retail is for suckers.
1297023;1444667102;mircea_popescu;" I'll grant that there is some level of bonding that occurs between women over baby pictures, worth exploring later, but not for men: men will only (and rarely) show photos of their children doing something, the activity is what represents the kid as kid and them as a parent.  Showing a man a baby picture is equivalent to showing a woman a picture of his car.  "A #baby is more important than a car, dontcha think?"  Ye
1297024;1444667102;mircea_popescu;s, but a picture of a baby isn't more important than a picture of a car.  "Yeah, but--"  I know.  Logic is mean. "
1297025;1444667104;mircea_popescu;lalala.
1297026;1444667692;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297013 << now we know that mircea_popescu pays in vector.
1297027;1444667692;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 15:36:41; mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
1297028;1444667703;ascii_field;(tensor?!)
1297029;1444668059;mircea_popescu;haha. fingers in doorway is a tensor right ?
1297030;1444668253;ascii_field;!s tenser, said the tensor
1297031;1444668254;assbot;1 results for 'tenser, said the tensor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tenser%2C+said+the+tensor
1297032;1444668517;phf;"how do i put it in the terms you understand? an apartment for $300 a month. -- whoa! how do i get that? -- sure, so 5 apartments in this building, 7 year contract, i'll give you a 25% discount, that'll be $94.5k. my secretary will give your secretary ach routing details."
1297033;1444668549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00048676 = 8.1289 BTC [-]
1297034;1444668574;ascii_field;i hear it's even cheaper if you inherit it...
1297035;1444668620;mircea_popescu;or, as it more often the case "you know, i still owe you on that grain deal. if only you actually wanted any of the shit i have." "well actually i'm moving to argentina" "omfg yes. would you like an apartment ?"
1297036;1444668642;mircea_popescu;now go, compute the cost of rent. as a scalar.
1297037;1444668652;mircea_popescu;by the time you're done alf will  have done his routing by hand.
1297038;1444668659;ascii_field;just like computing stalin's rent.
1297039;1444668685;mircea_popescu;that'd be more like imputing.
1297040;1444668766;mircea_popescu;incidentallty, this is why "corruption" aka elite networks are both a needed as well as an efficient control on capitalism.
1297041;1444668793;mircea_popescu;by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible, they prevent undesirable mechanization.
1297042;1444668816;ascii_field;why (at least in this case) undesirable ?
1297043;1444668863;mircea_popescu;unintentionally and approximately, by sheer accident, providing the effect of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296575
1297044;1444668863;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 00:33:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296518 << yes!!
1297045;1444668894;mircea_popescu;otherwise derps will go right on into the swamp of mechanised trust / resource allocation / doom on a stick.
1297046;1444668896;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297047;1444668931;ascii_field;by this logic, mircea_popescu oughta love the soviet system
1297048;1444668939;ascii_field;where nothing of any value or import was 'retail-mechanized'
1297049;1444668949;mircea_popescu;i loved the soviet system except for the parts where it deeply misunderstood elite.
1297050;1444668956;ascii_field;(want a set of tyres? have a good phriend)
1297051;1444668960;mircea_popescu;a bunch of peasants are not it.
1297052;1444668971;mircea_popescu;fuckin jeffersonian that "anticapitalist" utopia.
1297053;1444668987;ascii_field;and here i thought mircea_popescu believed in 'who is in the elite seat, is the elite'
1297054;1444669013;mircea_popescu;no qualms with that. and he who is in the driver seat is the driver. excuse me while i don't stick around with sweving cars.
1297055;1444669071;mircea_popescu;also importantly, "by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible". MANY. not all. not "set of tyres" necessarily.
1297056;1444669083;ascii_field;so why this, and not that?
1297057;1444669092;mircea_popescu;why the pubkeys, not the files ?
1297058;1444669099;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE WE SAY SO
1297059;1444669103;mircea_popescu;a design decision is arbitrary by definition.
1297060;1444669114;ascii_field;i'm prepared to explain re: the pubkeys, it is really very simple
1297061;1444669118;mircea_popescu;why do i look at a woman's ass ? ask me that, go in the corner on knees on rice.
1297062;1444669123;mircea_popescu;go for it.
1297063;1444669140;ascii_field;because they are the root of the trust circuit
1297064;1444669143;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1297065;1444669149;mircea_popescu;you didn't like logic in school or something ?
1297066;1444669157;ascii_field;hm?
1297067;1444669169;mircea_popescu;"why are you looking at woman's ass ?" "because it is in the middle of my interest."
1297068;1444669178;ascii_field;hey i took tautology 400
1297069;1444669179;ascii_field;l0l
1297070;1444669186;mircea_popescu;WHY is it the root! what the fuck is this, the game of calling things things ?
1297071;1444669194;ascii_field;anyway prolly ought to have called it 'axiomatic'
1297072;1444669214;ascii_field;as in, having the proper pubkeys makes everything else non-spoofable
1297073;1444669226;ascii_field;but there is no mechanical means of establishing that you have them.
1297074;1444669236;mircea_popescu;axiomatic is, by definition, arbitrary.
1297075;1444669241;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what i said eh.
1297076;1444669255;ascii_field;not entirely arbitrary
1297077;1444669264;mircea_popescu;what's your problem with arbitrariety anyway.
1297078;1444669268;ascii_field;some axioms give you euclid, others - timecube.
1297079;1444669274;mircea_popescu;sure.
1297080;1444669278;ascii_field;i only have a problem with timecube
1297081;1444669281;ascii_field;not with euclid.
1297082;1444669289;ascii_field;(and, by extension, with the notion that they are equivalent)
1297083;1444669309;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, i like dating but hate crazy bitches. sure.
1297084;1444669316;mircea_popescu;and to some degree i can tell in advance.
1297085;1444669325;mircea_popescu;but this is not a formal process, and so...
1297086;1444669402;mircea_popescu;they ARE equivalent. a picture of a car IS equivalent to a picture of a slut even if a car and a slut are not equivalent. axioms are just that, axioms. arbitrary statements for no reason with no cause.
1297087;1444669427;ascii_field;except 'no cause' is not correct.
1297088;1444669436;mircea_popescu;in so being, they also become a descriptor of your worth as a being. there's no good reason to pick any set nor a good method to find out which to pick.
1297089;1444669440;mircea_popescu;yes it is.
1297090;1444669450;ascii_field;because we discard, or emplace, axioms, based on whether we get timecube or skyscraper.
1297091;1444669460;mircea_popescu;except we have no idea.
1297092;1444669471;mircea_popescu;if we did, we could mechanize it.
1297093;1444669605;mircea_popescu;for that matter, i can make a summary statement of calculus that reads exactly like timecube for the first half. after which it starts falling into place.
1297094;1444669624;mircea_popescu;heck, it's practically done already, newton raves madly for most of the lenght.
1297095;1444669708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4285 @ 0.00048971 = 2.0984 BTC [+]
1297096;1444669911;ascii_field;;;later tell mats http://binaryguard.com/bgc/malware/2015/10/09/deobfuscating_shifu.html
1297097;1444669912;assbot;Deobfuscating Shifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1WXs0AJ )
1297098;1444669912;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1297099;1444669961;ascii_field;^ any to any other reversers or aspiring reversers.
1297100;1444670070;*;ascii_field toils in this uranium mine. 'ask him anything' (tm) (r)
1297101;1444670153;mircea_popescu;"  Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram?  Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable?  What is the cost?  I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. t
1297102;1444670153;mircea_popescu;he price of food stamps.  Other correct responses would be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment).  I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
1297103;1444670681;ascii_field;'Here's the other side's example:  when they talk about raising taxes on the rich, why do they pick a "low" point and push it higher?  Should the highest rates be at $250k/yr?  $300k?  Another way of doing it, which is precisely why they cannot do it, is start at the top and move down.  "We need $1T.  Ok, top five guys pay 90%.  Not enough?  How about top ten guys pay 90%.  Not enough? Top...."  I'm not advocating this or
1297104;1444670681;ascii_field;any other policy, not my place, I am pointing out that doing it the way it's done protects the 1% by letting the Aspirational 14%-- who crave recognition and are easily identifiable and hatable because they are poseurs, just of a different kind-- act as human shields.  They take the bullets, the unknown mega-rich take tinted window rides to the Hamptons.'
1297105;1444670989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00048971 = 5.71 BTC [+]
1297106;1444672453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00048778 = 2.4389 BTC [-]
1297107;1444672819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31652 @ 0.00048778 = 15.4392 BTC [-]
1297108;1444673246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29012 @ 0.00048635 = 14.11 BTC [-] {2} 
1297109;1444674771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00048465 = 12.4797 BTC [-] {3} 
1297110;1444674893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00048755 = 13.8708 BTC [+]
1297111;1444677309;mircea_popescu;!up AusteritySucks
1297112;1444677577;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00048752 = 7.7516 BTC [-]
1297113;1444678004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00048752 = 15.1375 BTC [-]
1297114;1444678724;jurov;^^^ where are the quotations from?
1297115;1444678738;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297116;1444678745;ascii_field;jurov: from tlp
1297117;1444679163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00048762 = 2.618 BTC [+] {3} 
1297118;1444679589;mircea_popescu;jurov http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps_part_2.html
1297119;1444679592;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hAVW5Y )
1297120;1444679593;mircea_popescu;if you meant the last one.
1297121;1444679619;mircea_popescu;the others are from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html
1297122;1444679622;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLRBJ )
1297123;1444680019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00048931 = 3.1521 BTC [+]
1297124;1444680438;jurov;thx
1297125;1444680605;deedbot-;[Trilema] Baires - http://trilema.com/2015/baires/
1297126;1444680675;mircea_popescu;"If this seems implausible to you, which it must-- that's exactly the point of it--  consider the following extreme analogy, which surprisingly will be easier to understand, which is also the whole point:  Say your father raped you repeatedly for a decade. Hold on, slow down, it gets worse: now you're 40, and he shows up asking you for $2400 because, and I quote, "you have a responsibility to take care of me."  There h
1297127;1444680675;mircea_popescu;e is in your living room, eyeballing the nice things in your home.  If it is a fact that you will inevitably give him the money, is it easier to for you to pair it with your venom or your sympathy?  Though it's enraging, there is a perverse pleasure in giving that bastard the money.  It tells you that you showed him that you are better than him."
1297128;1444680678;mircea_popescu;to keep it up.
1297129;1444680691;mircea_popescu;but for the record, this "perverse pleasure" is strictly a ustardian thing.
1297130;1444680695;mircea_popescu;unknown to humans.
1297131;1444680716;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297132;1444680730;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: that was one of the times when i thought 'wtf is this'
1297133;1444680741;ascii_field;error: insufficient lsd
1297134;1444680748;mircea_popescu;he has a point, tho. they actually DO this.
1297135;1444680751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4525 @ 0.00023879 = 1.0805 BTC [+]
1297136;1444680762;mircea_popescu;it's a fruit off the same bizarro tree of their sexuality.
1297137;1444680765;ascii_field;would this be something like a 1-man version of human wave attack?
1297138;1444680770;ascii_field;'choke on my corpse!'
1297139;1444680774;mircea_popescu;(to bother americans, play porn over dinner.)
1297140;1444680800;mircea_popescu;amusingly, even the people who claim not to watch tv.
1297141;1444680803;ascii_field;what would happen? cpu overheats from attempting gluttony and lust at same time ?
1297142;1444680810;mircea_popescu;well they can't eat.
1297143;1444680818;mircea_popescu;too busy pretending something or the other, as the case may be.
1297144;1444681197;ascii_field;tlp's usa exists. but i am stuck reading about it in the fishwrap.
1297145;1444681205;ascii_field;because i do not personally walk around in it.
1297146;1444681271;ascii_field;usa != california!
1297147;1444681282;ascii_field;not everyone is 'ironic hipster' or has ever seen one outside of pictures.
1297148;1444681300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004897 = 7.7373 BTC [+] {2} 
1297149;1444681407;mircea_popescu;how's that related ?
1297150;1444681419;ascii_field;this re: the 'busy pretending'
1297151;1444681422;mircea_popescu;tbh i think his grasp of the fargo demographic is much better than his grasp of cali.
1297152;1444681430;mircea_popescu;hahaha. no.
1297153;1444681555;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297118   <<< best thing I have read in over a week.
1297154;1444681555;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 19:53:09; mircea_popescu: jurov http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps_part_2.html
1297155;1444681590;mircea_popescu;whole site's worth a read imo.
1297156;1444681622;shinohai;I liked the writing style, I bookmarked for future reading thanx!
1297157;1444681697;mircea_popescu;"You might think that the rage is the spark for a transformation of America, a full scale Dagny Taggart meltdown or Bolshevik revolution, depending on your hat.  That's not how it works.  If this is narcissism, then its purpose is protecting identity, defending against change. Doesn't matter what side you think you're on, unless you are unplugged you are for the status quo."
1297158;1444681700;mircea_popescu;mmmmmyeah.
1297159;1444682850;shinohai;http://coinjournal.net/streamium-developers-many-news-articles-about-argentina-and-bitcoin-are-totally-not-true/
1297160;1444682851;assbot;Streamium : Articles About Argentina and Bitcoin aren't true ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOITvh )
1297161;1444682855;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1297162;1444682925;shinohai;mircea_popescu gets mentioned for a year-old article?
1297163;1444682946;mircea_popescu;i do ?
1297164;1444682958;mircea_popescu;too lazy to check, writing.
1297165;1444683008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00048954 = 4.308 BTC [-]
1297166;1444683069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19253 @ 0.00048848 = 9.4047 BTC [-] {2} 
1297167;1444683081;shinohai;"It should be noted that Longtime Bitcoin Entrepreneur Mircea Popescu also shared his own account of Bitcoin adoption in Argentina roughly a year ago. His full teardown of the idea that Bitcoin is taking off in Argentina can be read on his blog."
1297168;1444683101;shinohai;(Links to blog post)
1297169;1444683130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21947 @ 0.00048707 = 10.6897 BTC [-] {2} 
1297170;1444683243;ascii_field;same site also hosts marvels like 'A New Block Size Increase BIP is Planned for the ‘Rough Consensus’ from Montreal' and 'The Josh Garza Interview: Organized Crime, Threats and Is He In America?'
1297171;1444683317;shinohai;Never said we had Pulitzer-prize winning journalism here.
1297172;1444683426;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1297173;1444683431;mircea_popescu;who is this ?
1297174;1444684351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00048971 = 8.7903 BTC [+]
1297175;1444684355;deedbot-;[Qntra] Trouble Hits Purse.io Customers - http://qntra.net/2015/10/trouble-hits-purse-io-customers/
1297176;1444684541;BingoBoingo;In other news https://archive.is/ehmT7
1297177;1444684542;assbot;The news wants to do a story on the $500 computer Bitcoin lock hack. Does anyone know anyone affected by this? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G24DlG )
1297178;1444684595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29574 @ 0.00048707 = 14.4046 BTC [-]
1297179;1444684777;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1297180;1444685388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00048971 = 18.9028 BTC [+] {2} 
1297181;1444685412;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] D3C3N7R4L1S3 4LL 7H3 7H1NGZ! Except for these ones. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/12/d3c3n7r4l1s3-4ll-7h3-7h1ngz-except-for-these-ones/
1297182;1444685786;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/10/12/clojure-if-lisp-is-so-great-why-do-we-keep-needing-new-variants/ << i'll just leave this here. i expect the comments will prove entertaining for the lispers here
1297183;1444685787;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Clojure: If Lisp is so great, why do we keep needing new variants? ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28MpE )
1297184;1444685867;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297000 << o.O mp has representation on facebook. nuts.
1297185;1444685867;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 14:57:39; deedbot-: [Trilema] So... is it a virus ? - http://trilema.com/2015/so-is-it-a-virus/
1297186;1444685934;pete_dushenski;also, hanbot makes an excellent point that pi is widely know to at least 8 decimal places afaik
1297187;1444685940;ascii_field;15.
1297188;1444685952;pete_dushenski;mostly because of 9-digit calculators (basic ones)
1297189;1444685960;ascii_field;!s how i need a drink alcoholic of course
1297190;1444685961;assbot;1 results for 'how i need a drink alcoholic of course' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=how+i+need+a+drink+alcoholic+of+course
1297191;1444685975;ascii_field;^ 15.
1297192;1444686030;ascii_field;(everyone with even a passing interest in mnemonics, at least in the english world, knows this one)
1297193;1444686031;pete_dushenski;aha nifty
1297194;1444686092;pete_dushenski;i'll be sure to teach this one at 'ben+pete's skool'
1297195;1444686182;pete_dushenski;heya nubbins`
1297196;1444686193;pete_dushenski;happy canuckian thanksgiving eh
1297197;1444686270;*;pete_dushenski is currently shopping for 'quiet' mechanical keyboard and/or soundproof interior doors.
1297198;1444686274;deedbot-;[Trilema] You already had what you think you want and can't get. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-already-had-what-you-think-you-want-and-cant-get/
1297199;1444686303;pete_dushenski;not happy about this shopping adventure. but i guess i'm not as rich as i thought i was.
1297200;1444686328;pete_dushenski;house isn't multiple hundreds of square metres on multiple floors.
1297201;1444686345;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: line the door with acoustic cork.
1297202;1444686355;ascii_field;will cost < 100 usd
1297203;1444686371;*;pete_dushenski looks into this !
1297204;1444686391;ascii_field;vendors which supply musical studios will have this.
1297205;1444686456;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: you don't know how tickled this idea has me :)
1297206;1444686488;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: you can get 19-inch racks lined with cork, with acoustic baffles for the exhaust (think auto muffler or pistol silencer)
1297207;1444686492;ascii_field;all of this is commercial sop.
1297208;1444686531;ascii_field;cheaper than new building.
1297209;1444686575;nubbins`;hi
1297210;1444686576;pete_dushenski;and less depressing than giving up model m for some 'das keyboard'
1297211;1444686583;nubbins`;is it thanksgiving today?
1297212;1444686591;nubbins`;i can't keep track. we had turkey yesterday
1297213;1444686599;ascii_field;welcome back nubbins`
1297214;1444686601;nubbins`;ty
1297215;1444686603;nubbins`;busy times
1297216;1444686612;BingoBoingo;http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_24965603/silicon-valley-sees-shortage-ev-charge-stations
1297217;1444686613;assbot;Silicon Valley sees shortage of EV charge stations - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2aQ0X )
1297218;1444686615;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1297219;1444686635;nubbins`;pete_dushenski voted yet?
1297220;1444686654;pete_dushenski;lol right. like that's gonna happen.
1297221;1444686677;nubbins`;XD
1297222;1444686682;pete_dushenski;i'd sooner gamble on the outcome than show up to the booth
1297223;1444686686;nubbins`;green party can't win without people like you
1297224;1444686700;nubbins`;i hit up the advance polls
1297225;1444686711;pete_dushenski;sounds like the green party needs me more than i need them
1297226;1444686720;nubbins`;ah, yep, that's accurate
1297227;1444686742;BingoBoingo;http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24947237/too-many-electric-cars-not-enough-workplace-chargers
1297228;1444686744;assbot;'Charge rage': Too many electric cars, not enough workplace chargers - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2b9IY )
1297229;1444686800;nubbins`;pete_dushenski: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mask-face-covering-voting-1.3266109
1297230;1444686801;assbot;Mummers, potato sacks and clown masks: Why people are voting in silly face coverings - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2bhs9 )
1297231;1444686803;nubbins`;mega-lel
1297232;1444686854;nubbins`;smth tells me BingoBoingo would find humour in this also
1297233;1444686863;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: i almost expect there to appear some idiot rob-peter-pay-paul scheme where plebes' petrol cars have to spin wheels on a treadmill to charge some eloi's 'tesla', in lieu of parking fee, or the like
1297234;1444686878;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296773
1297235;1444686878;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 04:09:35; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296418 << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.
1297236;1444686908;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Not unimaginable
1297237;1444686963;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: that's basically 'vw emissions test protocol'
1297238;1444686977;BingoBoingo;"I needed to be somewhere by 6 p.m., and all of the active chargers were full. I couldn't plug in all day," he said. "There was a Volt that appeared to be finished charging, so I unplugged it so I could get a half-hour boost. The Volt isn't pure electric -- it also has a gasoline engine. The next day, I learned that the Volt owner was furious, and he sent out this email blast saying that I stole his charge. It was awful."
1297239;1444686977;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: lulzy tho. never head of 'mummers' before.
1297240;1444686979;ascii_field;it sounds batshit, to an engineer, say, but logically follows from 'easy to steal == phree!!!' formula.
1297241;1444687002;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Mummer is a kinda Mardi Gras thing
1297242;1444687047;pete_dushenski;"Keefe had to leave his 'ugly stick' at the door. The homemade musical instrument is popular in mummer tradition. (Courtesy of Jon Keefe)" << nubbins`! you're famous !
1297243;1444687077;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] Why GPG subkeys must die - http://fr.anco.is/2015/why-gpg-subkeys-must-die/
1297244;1444687096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00048583 = 9.3279 BTC [-] {2} 
1297245;1444687145;pete_dushenski;davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost
1297246;1444687149;mircea_popescu;ahh it;'s an email bonanza.
1297247;1444687155;mircea_popescu;i mean blog posts
1297248;1444687175;pete_dushenski;i think a fire's been lit
1297249;1444687188;nubbins`;pete_dushenski inorite?
1297250;1444687222;jurov;yes. and was the problem tackled that i'm apparently expected to have one key for next 40+ years?
1297251;1444687226;nubbins`;the point that i shouldn't have to expose my body to some random gov employee in order to exercise my charter rights was lost on many
1297252;1444687266;pete_dushenski;davout: also sha2 != sha256
1297253;1444687346;pete_dushenski;jurov: why one key ? can't you make new key just before current one expires and sign old key over to new key ?
1297254;1444687351;ascii_field;jurov: iirc there was a thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-05-2015#1132369
1297255;1444687351;assbot;Logged on 14-05-2015 21:32:19; mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.
1297256;1444687355;mircea_popescu;jurov you're also expected to have the same penis for the next40+ years.
1297257;1444687358;mircea_popescu;tackled that one ?
1297258;1444687381;mircea_popescu;but yes, as alf describes, you can move them over.
1297259;1444687395;jurov;yes, my penis looks substantially differently than 2y ago
1297260;1444687401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00048507 = 6.5557 BTC [-]
1297261;1444687403;jurov;not usable for identification
1297262;1444687414;pete_dushenski;nubbins`: aha. 'rights'
1297263;1444687454;mircea_popescu;well not for identification, but still, suable for what it's used for.
1297264;1444687462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.0004843 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2} 
1297265;1444687464;mircea_popescu;i suppose the elephant in the room sort of point we've been avoiding is this :
1297266;1444687493;mircea_popescu;that given the known weaknesses of the pgp protocol as it is, the only responsible manner of using it is to include an index in every signed item, and to increment it by one every time you sign anything.
1297267;1444687498;mircea_popescu;that actually allows repudiation.
1297268;1444687520;ascii_field;how does this work ?
1297269;1444687554;jurov;how is it different from expiry date?
1297270;1444687595;mircea_popescu;ascii_field because if i say "no messages with index past 500 may be signed by this key" the key actually is verifdiably dead.
1297271;1444687605;mircea_popescu;jurov because the date at which a message was signed is not verifiable.
1297272;1444687626;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: say enemy captures key. signs whatever he likes, with indices you've already used.
1297273;1444687647;ascii_field;then points to your material, says 'this is fake'
1297274;1444687653;mircea_popescu;they're both fake.
1297275;1444687660;mircea_popescu;once a duplicate is found, the key is dead.
1297276;1444687672;mircea_popescu;ie, you've fucked the goat.
1297277;1444687672;ascii_field;only if found!
1297278;1444687699;ascii_field;if he is sitting on your wire, and silently drops your message, replaced with his...
1297279;1444687713;ascii_field;but yes, the basic scheme is one that i described before
1297280;1444687718;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1297281;1444687719;ascii_field;with 'scratch-off hashes'
1297282;1444687750;mircea_popescu;anyway. an enemy sitting on your wire in possession of your key is no enemy at all. he's your wife, like it or not.
1297283;1444687787;ascii_field;(does anyone have the link handy where i described this scheme ?)
1297284;1444687792;jurov;regardless, keys will need to be deprecated and upgraded somehow
1297285;1444687813;ascii_field;jurov: in this scheme, you can 'blow' a key when it is time, by churning through its remaining shots
1297286;1444687816;mircea_popescu;jurov what's wrong with a deed saying "this is my new keyt" ?
1297287;1444687828;ascii_field;(publishing garbage signed thereby, with the serial number incrementing)
1297288;1444687856;jurov;that you are not accepting it
1297289;1444687875;mircea_popescu;that, yes.
1297290;1444687889;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
1297291;1444687900;ascii_field;jurov, mircea_popescu: iirc mircea_popescu did not accept refreshed subkeys either
1297292;1444687906;ascii_field;(at mpex)
1297293;1444687951;ascii_field;because 1) he would have to send a shuttle to his orbital station to swap out the ROM with the old key 2) people could sell mpex accounts!!111111
1297294;1444687977;nubbins`;the wisdom of buying a private key is left as an exercise to the reader
1297295;1444688014;ascii_field;nubbins`: this was an ancient thread. mircea_popescu explained that if people could update keys of mpex account, it would become practical to sell 'secondhand'
1297296;1444688024;mircea_popescu;anyway, it allows you to update it. the idea that others would accept your update on your own terms and for free is bizarre and i guess unwarranted. going forward i imagine moist everything will be financed through fees on key updates. such as say assbot.
1297297;1444688024;nubbins`;nod
1297298;1444688035;mircea_popescu;puts the cost of security right where it belongs : on the key owner.
1297299;1444688059;nubbins`;added benefit of being L1, too
1297300;1444688063;ascii_field;the flip side of this is that civil-death-by-dint-of-key-compromise will become a thing.
1297301;1444688069;ascii_field;(already is a thing.)
1297302;1444688071;mircea_popescu;otherwise you get a disaster of commons situation where 5k services are stuck doing things because you were bored one evening. that might work for a woman's book club\
1297303;1444688075;mircea_popescu;\but i want no part  of it.
1297304;1444688153;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297290 << incidentally, this is the cue i've been waiting for to bring up an old observation of mine re: assbot and similar:
1297305;1444688153;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 22:11:29; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
1297306;1444688163;ascii_field;it is a chosen-ciphertext attack vector.
1297307;1444688173;ascii_field;as presently implemented.
1297308;1444688221;mircea_popescu;how you figure ?
1297309;1444688228;jurov;^ wiki material here. but i don't have acct
1297310;1444688239;ascii_field;(i.e., we ~think~ we are decrypting garbage, but who knows what it is. perhaps nsa killed kakobrekla and the next auth token is actually using the symmetric key header from your last transmission to the satellite !!)
1297311;1444688260;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it includes a plaintext field for this reason.
1297312;1444688285;ascii_field;rsa is malleable.
1297313;1444688287;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is certainly smart.
1297314;1444688293;mircea_popescu;it can be malleable, but look at a string.
1297315;1444688309;jurov;btw, instead of sequence number i'd use hash of previous signature
1297316;1444688320;ascii_field;the other thing, you are not decrypting the string !
1297317;1444688325;ascii_field;you are decrypting a symmetric key
1297318;1444688328;ascii_field;which is invisible
1297319;1444688332;ascii_field;thinkaboutit
1297320;1444688345;mircea_popescu;22:36:14 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:be692bd7a8864924c2526b0f2b72dd90baebc89bf10b131ff925358764b9be
1297321;1444688352;mircea_popescu;the text is "assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:blabla"
1297322;1444688357;ascii_field;the text.
1297323;1444688367;mircea_popescu;jurov no, they have to be immutable.
1297324;1444688370;ascii_field;but what you actually decrypted with rsa was a random blob
1297325;1444688374;ascii_field;(aes key)
1297326;1444688379;mircea_popescu;ok...
1297327;1444688419;jurov;how chaining them by hash makes them mutable?
1297328;1444688424;mircea_popescu;what, am i thick or something ?
1297329;1444688444;jurov;!up ascii_field
1297330;1444688457;ascii_field;ok looks like i have to draw a picture ?
1297331;1444688463;mircea_popescu;jurov well you wouldn't know in advance. maybe 3 is unreleased and you see 2 and 4
1297332;1444688468;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i think so.
1297333;1444688490;ascii_field;say hitler has killed poor kakobrekla. and really, really needs one of mircea_popescu's pgpgrams decrypted.
1297334;1444688496;ascii_field;(from some captured email in the past)
1297335;1444688497;jurov;mircea_popescu: when 4 will contain hash of 3 and 3 must contain hash of 2
1297336;1444688511;jurov;then space for forgery diminishes dramatically
1297337;1444688537;mircea_popescu;jurov but at the time you see 4, you do not see 3.
1297338;1444688542;ascii_field;so he modifies assbot so that the next time mircea_popescu is given otp token, it is actually carrying the rsa-enciphered symmetric key from $message
1297339;1444688542;mircea_popescu;!up Ett
1297340;1444688554;jurov;you see hash of 3
1297341;1444688565;mircea_popescu;ascii_field ok...
1297342;1444688570;jurov;which will be own field and goes into the signature
1297343;1444688582;mircea_popescu;jurov you don't have what to confront it with man.
1297344;1444688603;jurov;thus, you have to create a collision to forge valid 3 later
1297345;1444688613;mircea_popescu;but you can't verify it is good now!
1297346;1444688616;mircea_popescu;forget later.
1297347;1444688618;jurov;4 will be in deedbot
1297348;1444688623;mircea_popescu;how ?
1297349;1444688626;jurov;at that time
1297350;1444688629;mircea_popescu;deedbot magically knows it's ok ?
1297351;1444688642;mircea_popescu;how do you accept 4 without 3!
1297352;1444688660;*;pete_dushenski off for a jog then more turkey. so much more turkey.
1297353;1444688693;jurov;you want *all* singed matter to be public in that order?
1297354;1444688698;jurov;*signed
1297355;1444688715;mircea_popescu;no, but if the number reads "4" you don't need to be shown the deed with number 3 to know 4 is a valid number.
1297356;1444688736;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i still dun get what the problem is.
1297357;1444688772;jurov;okay, then there can be both serial number and previous hash
1297358;1444688778;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1297359;1444688801;mircea_popescu;kinda why the issuie is an elephant in room : we (i) dun really wanna go into it because it's such a bitch to manage and creeping featuritis 5 ways to sunday
1297360;1444688805;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that you are decrypting $blob and, so long as the output has the expected form (and how many of us check? yes, i check. but there are folks who will pipe it straight into their irc via shellatron. yes, you know who you are
1297361;1444688812;ascii_field;)
1297362;1444688820;mircea_popescu;i do not imagine anyone seriously pipes it in.
1297363;1444688827;ascii_field;so long as it has expected form, it is send out.
1297364;1444688830;mircea_popescu;but yes, automated security and suicide share a flavour.
1297365;1444688873;mircea_popescu;can you demonstrate rsa malleability in the sense of, appending "pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:" as prefix to cyphertext ?
1297366;1444688901;ascii_field;no need.
1297367;1444688922;ascii_field;all that would be required is (yes, open problem) a particular kind of aes boojum.
1297368;1444688938;mircea_popescu;getting rid of aes gets rid of this anyway.
1297369;1444688969;mircea_popescu;iirc i have a "why you don't want to chain hashes" thing somewhere.
1297370;1444689044;ascii_field;bbl
1297371;1444689167;mircea_popescu;!up GoonClooney
1297372;1444689414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00048908 = 3.2768 BTC [+]
1297373;1444689475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00048928 = 11.8161 BTC [+]
1297374;1444689780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15123 @ 0.0004843 = 7.3241 BTC [-]
1297375;1444690024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11002 @ 0.00048394 = 5.3243 BTC [-] {3} 
1297376;1444690273;punkman;btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
1297377;1444690695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00048391 = 16.2594 BTC [-]
1297378;1444690756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00048629 = 13.4945 BTC [+]
1297379;1444690817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23558 @ 0.00048904 = 11.5208 BTC [+] {4} 
1297380;1444690848;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, anyone familiar with the life of this 2010 rapunzel, carrie perjean ?
1297381;1444690903;mircea_popescu;miss california / miss usa aspirant, asked by that slime perez hilton what she thinks of same sex marriages, didn't have the presence of mind to tell the old fag to stuff it with the bullying, as this is about hot young women not about wrinkly old poofs nobody would fuck with a loaned goat penis,
1297382;1444690915;mircea_popescu;after which litigation, sex tapes, and finally married an ex nfl quarterback.
1297383;1444690921;mircea_popescu;should be a fucking movie already.
1297384;1444691004;mircea_popescu;!up longgone
1297385;1444691098;mircea_popescu;funny how many people discover they really got nothing to say once the gate is there.
1297386;1444691280;nubbins`;heh
1297387;1444691299;nubbins`;"If I was in their shoes, I'd..." ...suck just like they do
1297388;1444691332;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah.
1297389;1444692098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.000489 = 1.8827 BTC [-]
1297390;1444692581;BingoBoingo;!up Peter_Geschel
1297391;1444693032;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 no reason not to publish the thing now.
1297392;1444693032;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1297393;1444693135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00048391 = 10.5734 BTC [-]
1297394;1444693166;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297376 << this does absolutely nothing about the subkey signatures OR the fingerprints
1297395;1444693166;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 22:51:13; punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
1297396;1444693171;asciilifeform;both are hardcoded to use sha1.
1297397;1444693183;asciilifeform;rfc2440/4880 make NO provision for changing it. ever.
1297398;1444693253;punkman;I don't see any mention of sha1 in the rfc regarding subkey sigs etc
1297399;1444693282;asciilifeform;the fp is a sha1
1297400;1444693288;asciilifeform;and it gets signed.
1297401;1444693440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00048429 = 13.5543 BTC [+]
1297402;1444693745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6057 @ 0.0004859 = 2.9431 BTC [+] {3} 
1297403;1444693806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.000489 = 10.9536 BTC [+]
1297404;1444694101;punkman;well I'm more worried about subkey shenanigans than someone finding a collision for my fingerprint
1297405;1444694132;asciilifeform;punkman: didja miss the nyooz item where the collision approached the cheap-as-dirt point ?
1297406;1444694216;mircea_popescu;"subkey shenanigans" are EXACTLY what "someone finding a collision for your fp" means.
1297407;1444694218;mircea_popescu;what's this ?!
1297408;1444694238;mircea_popescu;what do you think subkeys are ?
1297409;1444694270;mircea_popescu;it's not like the distinction is in any way meaningful. it's pure bullshit, which is one of the major reasons the pgp "standard" is so borken. there's no actual enforcing of the notions it then purports to expose to the verbal world.
1297410;1444694313;asciilifeform;a treatise re: all of the (identifiable!) ways in which the rfc is retarded, would exceed the rfc in length, manyfold
1297411;1444694388;mircea_popescu;myeah
1297412;1444694625;shinohai;http://coincollectingenterprises.com/coin-collection-shop/copper-pennies-bullion-bulk-buy/copper-pennies-20-tons
1297413;1444694627;assbot;Copper Pennies 20 Tons - Copper Pennies ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhBiQJ )
1297414;1444694643;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_j6sykqmVw << unrelated but interesting.
1297415;1444694644;assbot;Secret Interview of Soviet Pilot Defector Circa 1973 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhBhwl )
1297416;1444694646;shinohai;^ would love to purchase for the sole purpose of making court-ordered payments
1297417;1444695808;punkman;dunno, I worry more about someone refreshing his keyring and ending up with extra subkeys under my main key, than a second main key appearing with same fingerprint, so I'm definitely setting my cert-digest-algo to sha512
1297418;1444695877;punkman;unfortunately it seems hard to refresh current key using new cert-digest-algo
1297419;1444695924;nubbins`;shinohai surely your country has a law limiting how much change can be used to settle a transaction?!
1297420;1444695959;punkman;anyway, good thing I distributed my key before the shappening ;)
1297421;1444696183;punkman;btw, has anyone signed a collection of assbot wot keys?
1297422;1444696192;mircea_popescu;at the various conferences.
1297423;1444696203;mircea_popescu;lor you mean of the whole thing ?
1297424;1444696209;punkman;yeah that
1297425;1444696368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15053 @ 0.00048635 = 7.321 BTC [-]
1297426;1444696368;mircea_popescu;not afaik. not publicly at any rate.
1297427;1444696734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00048955 = 16.1062 BTC [+] {4} 
1297428;1444698198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048391 = 14.2753 BTC [-] {2} 
1297429;1444698381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19446 @ 0.0004856 = 9.443 BTC [+]
1297430;1444698997;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/10/catfish.html << i thought i saw a bunch of bad films. omfg i dunno where this guy shops but i've never seen films half as bad as the fucktarded youtube facebook shit he's watching.
1297431;1444699000;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Catfish: The Real Danger Of Social Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1GETBNO )
1297432;1444699907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0004897 = 19.1473 BTC [+] {2} 
1297433;1444700211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00048971 = 8.472 BTC [+] {2} 
1297434;1444700516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0004846 = 2.5199 BTC [-] {3} 
1297435;1444701215;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/uuWvlhM.jpg
1297436;1444701216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GajMRr )
1297437;1444702063;mircea_popescu;lol.
1297438;1444702073;*;mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.
1297439;1444702082;mircea_popescu;you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.
1297440;1444702102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00048909 = 18.3164 BTC [+] {4} 
1297441;1444702208;phf;i thought the matter of subkeys, "automatic" key replacements or substituions was settled by hanbot's story. i really put too much faith in it as the b-a canon seems like
1297442;1444702322;mircea_popescu;unlike any decent cult, b-a does not actually have a cannon.
1297443;1444702351;mircea_popescu;just a large-ish body of accepted knowledge which merely appears accepted "by everyone" in the sense that nobody agrees with all of it but nobody has seriously attacked all of it.
1297444;1444702590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00049017 = 14.8767 BTC [+]
1297445;1444702637;mircea_popescu;the side point being that agreement is neither required nor actually the criteria.
1297446;1444702706;BingoBoingo;Or universally beneficial.
1297447;1444702723;mircea_popescu;actually universal agreement being strictly detrimental is a standing rule.
1297448;1444702732;BingoBoingo;If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it
1297449;1444702735;mircea_popescu;consensus is the sure sing of a cattle herd.
1297450;1444702848;mircea_popescu;and in other news these monte cristos are fucking exquisite.
1297451;1444703181;BingoBoingo;nice
1297452;1444703697;mircea_popescu;"For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that.  Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving."   How can you work
1297453;1444703698;mircea_popescu;in media and not understand media?  The fact that feminism is in the mainstream means that it doesn't exist, it is no longer real, in the same way that when you hear "gun control debate" it's a lie and "fiscal cliff" is an easy to market, safe distraction from the structural problems that can never be named, here's one: for any heterogeneous population, the expansion of a "welfare class" is logically inseparable from t
1297454;1444703698;mircea_popescu;he entrenchment of an aristocracy, can't have one without the other once you get bigger than 20M, ask Bismarck.  "Does he write for Time?"  No.  But keep this in mind every time you hear how great it is Bill Gates is curing malaria after leaving us all with Windows."
1297455;1444703704;mircea_popescu;ha!
1297456;1444703729;mircea_popescu;he happens to be exactly right, too. welfare class strictly means entrenching aristocracy, it isn't even a thing on and of itself. just a sympthom of that phenomena.
1297457;1444703744;mircea_popescu;and entrenching aristocracy means sclerosis and stuff like that, but let's not get too serious.
1297458;1444703903;phf;how does assbot handle key expirations? does it periodically download new key from sks or it downloads it if you try and use an expired key?
1297459;1444703988;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297438 << they are sop in usa. to this day i do not know precisely why.
1297460;1444703988;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 02:07:53; *: mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.
1297461;1444703993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00049017 = 6.7643 BTC [+]
1297462;1444704056;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297439 >>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639521
1297463;1444704056;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 02:08:02; mircea_popescu: you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.
1297464;1444704056;assbot;Logged on 24-04-2014 00:33:21; asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna
1297465;1444704082;mircea_popescu;phf afaik it never downloads it. if your key expires you're fucked.
1297466;1444704202;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297452 << this excerpt may as well be about martians, as far as my ability to decipher it is concerned...
1297467;1444704202;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that.  Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving." 
1297468;1444704250;mircea_popescu;i don't think you're enough of a pedophile to give a shit about what teenaged women do anyway.
1297469;1444704251;asciilifeform;(who is sandberg? what is jezebel? what happens in 'access hollywood'? and, more importantly, what do i gain from trying to figure this out...?)
1297470;1444704269;mircea_popescu;the same thing you gain from trying to figure anything else out.
1297471;1444704330;asciilifeform;try as i might, the thing fails to clear my wetware spam filter.
1297472;1444704382;*;asciilifeform learns, after cursory search re: above, that his spam filter ~was~ to be trusted
1297473;1444704457;BingoBoingo;!b 3
1297474;1444704458;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2T3SEBB.txt )
1297475;1444704503;mircea_popescu;ofcourseitwas.
1297476;1444704535;mircea_popescu;here's a pro tip : everyone investigating matters out of paradigm decide, with clockwork regularity, that their attempt was a mistake.
1297477;1444704545;mircea_popescu;"oh i tried to look into this whole darwinian stuff. mmmkay..."
1297478;1444704574;mircea_popescu;the thing with science is that there's no science outside of what science you make. there's no wave function in the actual fucking fermion.
1297479;1444704603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00048245 = 20.1182 BTC [-] {3} 
1297480;1444704605;asciilifeform;wake me up when the feminism-is-back-in-mainstream-jezebel-access-hollywood thing is paradigmatically darwin-shifting something.
1297481;1444704618;mircea_popescu;did your father get a blowjob ?
1297482;1444704627;mircea_popescu;how about anal sex. what % of his mates did he bugger ?
1297483;1444704633;mircea_popescu;or wait. did he fuck more women than his age ?
1297484;1444704642;*;asciilifeform actually does not know the answer to this riddle
1297485;1444704647;mircea_popescu;i rest.
1297486;1444704686;mircea_popescu;note that you're no more required to be a plumber than i'm required to give a shit about lisp. you get to pick your own spot where your vita brevis makes no difference anyway.
1297487;1444704690;asciilifeform;but... srsly what else exciting action am i missing?! anal sex among sewer rats? should i be constructing a robotic camera to determine its quality in the pipes underneath my street ?
1297488;1444704702;mircea_popescu;if and only if you feel like it.
1297489;1444704710;asciilifeform;^ good student project btw.
1297490;1444704724;asciilifeform;but yes, vita brevis.
1297491;1444704744;asciilifeform;glad the matter is in good hands...
1297492;1444704755;mircea_popescu;to some people, the notion that men aged > 50 today as well as their antecessors didn't do x y z thing automatically disqualifies them, as men. to some other, it's just ridoinculous bs.
1297493;1444704758;mircea_popescu;what can i say.
1297494;1444704781;*;asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu article re: same.
1297495;1444704827;mircea_popescu;but some common ground can be found. "your wife won't do what you tell her to ? what does the possessive denote then ?" for instance. "oh but it hurts. and she finds it disgusting". yeah. that's the fucking point. of course she'll obey an order to eat more chocolate.
1297496;1444704857;asciilifeform;euclid never knew long division. gauss never beheld a pocket calculator. both, in my mind - men, just the same.
1297497;1444704877;mircea_popescu;"no but really, it's more about partnership". i'm sure it is. and it gets tested never. "no, like, once someone gets cancer". tyvm, i prefer to create my own problems.
1297498;1444704927;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think that's the case. there's some magic happening, because there are no provissions to do a key refresh yet my formerly expired key still works.
1297499;1444704929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but they are dubious scientists. if euclid walked over here and got into an argument with me over fucking bannach space algebra, pete_dushenski would prolly be right in his wing with a !rate euclid -1 gramps has nfi where his rope ends.
1297500;1444704975;mircea_popescu;phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in.
1297501;1444704999;asciilifeform;iirc my key expired twice, each time worked after refresh.
1297502;1444705004;asciilifeform;the second was post-assbotization.
1297503;1444705017;mircea_popescu;or in other words, the only reason you think they're still men is because their key expired and you don't have to refresh anything.
1297504;1444705036;phf;yeah, yours is going to go on dec 22
1297505;1444705038;*;asciilifeform is not an mpex user and feels entirely free to issue traditional, expir-dated keys
1297506;1444705091;asciilifeform;who said being poor bugger living in own shit doesn't have up-side !
1297507;1444705140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's try a little puzzler
1297508;1444705144;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: newton: man ?
1297509;1444705152;mircea_popescu;to whom ?
1297510;1444705157;mircea_popescu;it's not a thing in itself.
1297511;1444705162;asciilifeform;(there is not one shred of reliable evidence that he once fucked any living thing)
1297512;1444705175;asciilifeform;to mircea_popescu.
1297513;1444705191;mircea_popescu;dude i have no idea, the long dead are a 4th fucking gender.
1297514;1444705196;mircea_popescu;what about golda meir ? woman ?
1297515;1444705232;asciilifeform;i thought anything gets to be 'woman' for phree, per mircea_popescu's algo
1297516;1444705244;*;mircea_popescu has serious trouble evaluating the gender of people who lived in socio-cultural constructs that share little with his own in any sort of term that's meaningful for common parlance.
1297517;1444705253;asciilifeform;there we go.
1297518;1444705268;asciilifeform;so the grandfather-who-had-no-blowjob is every bit the man...?
1297519;1444705269;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the context of your father shares a lot with your own.
1297520;1444705285;asciilifeform;not so sure that it did.
1297521;1444705285;mircea_popescu;grandfather is only present in the father (and his antecessors) chain.
1297522;1444705294;mircea_popescu;that's how that thing got added in there, outside of that line it's dead.
1297523;1444705309;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "not sure that it did" ?
1297524;1444705319;asciilifeform;share context with mine.
1297525;1444705322;mircea_popescu;...
1297526;1444705338;mircea_popescu;you are familiar with the basics of human sexuate reproduction i expect ?
1297527;1444705346;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1297528;1444705349;mircea_popescu;he fucked the woman that taught you to speak yo.
1297529;1444705354;mircea_popescu;necefuckingssarily it did.
1297530;1444705357;asciilifeform;newz at 11!
1297531;1444705372;asciilifeform;i was referring to the cultural context of what-makes-man
1297532;1444705376;mircea_popescu;me too.
1297533;1444705384;mircea_popescu;he seduced her. somehow. right ? hopefully by speech.
1297534;1444705425;asciilifeform;presumably.
1297535;1444705440;mircea_popescu;that's your inedible point of contact : the same agent that cooed and went heels over head through the use of the same mechanism then taught you how to usew that mechanism.
1297536;1444705450;asciilifeform;this, sure.
1297537;1444705450;mircea_popescu;if this is not enough joining nothing ever will be.
1297538;1444705457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5693 @ 0.00049017 = 2.7905 BTC [+]
1297539;1444705523;*;asciilifeform has exhausted his brain-stack depth and forgotten the return address of what originated this train of thought
1297540;1444705536;mircea_popescu;thanks god for logs.
1297541;1444705541;*;asciilifeform resorts to log
1297542;1444705545;mircea_popescu;but some obscure thing about what is interesting or not.
1297543;1444705553;asciilifeform;ah!
1297544;1444705591;mircea_popescu;and i meant indelible not inedible. i blame the keyboard.
1297545;1444705631;asciilifeform;it was re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297452 . to which my reflexive reaction is much the same as that of a non-entomologist is to five kilograms of cockroaches pouring out of a kitchen cabinet.
1297546;1444705631;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that.  Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving." 
1297547;1444705658;mircea_popescu;well... they're colored. you ever seen my pic with the sea slugs ?
1297548;1444705671;asciilifeform;aha
1297549;1444705682;asciilifeform;it did not hit this button.
1297550;1444705695;mircea_popescu;fortunately for you, ars longa.
1297551;1444705709;mircea_popescu;because if it weren't... think for just a minute how horrible life were if in point of fact we were imortal.
1297552;1444705719;mircea_popescu;it'd then be the case that sooner or larter we;'d have to do everything. EVERYTHING.
1297553;1444705740;*;mircea_popescu is well gratefull to be dead long before he'd reach the end of anything.
1297554;1444705760;asciilifeform;from the problems-we-don't-have series! (tm) (r)
1297555;1444705857;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's the cultural antrhopologist standing story an' im sticking by it : speech is interesting because it provides permanence in a very improbable setting.
1297556;1444705875;mircea_popescu;so improbable in fact it even enticed you into playing your qj straight into my pocket rockets.
1297557;1444705879;mircea_popescu;gotta give it something.
1297558;1444705895;asciilifeform;there is prolly at least one lucky fella to whom every gram of those 5kg of roaches steaming out of the kitchen cabinets is a fascinating treasure.
1297559;1444705916;asciilifeform;i take off my hat, to him.
1297560;1444705954;asciilifeform;and i'm well aware that some of the subjects i work on arouse much the same reaction in yet other people.
1297561;1444705976;asciilifeform;hell, in my own mind as well.
1297562;1444705981;mircea_popescu;lol
1297563;1444705995;*;mircea_popescu rarely has this reaction, tbh.
1297564;1444706020;asciilifeform;in fact, at this point if i had to choose whether to spend the rest of my days in the close warm company of cockroaches, XOR with c++ - would likely pick the former..
1297565;1444706101;mircea_popescu;cockroaches are pretty interesting as far as that goes. for instance : did you know that the entire fucking genus, which is immnse, strictly depends on there not being abrasive surfaces ?
1297566;1444706113;mircea_popescu;thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
1297567;1444706119;mod6;huh
1297568;1444706145;asciilifeform;'works of nature', even at their ugliest, don't provoke in my mind a sense of the monstrous - because they do not have the flavour of dead ends.
1297569;1444706155;asciilifeform;whereas works of man, so often do have this flavour.
1297570;1444706159;asciilifeform;e.g., c++.
1297571;1444706173;mircea_popescu;i doubt it's actually possible for a proper dead end, in nature.
1297572;1444706192;asciilifeform;aha.
1297573;1444706232;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297566 << everyone has his borax, yes.
1297574;1444706232;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
1297575;1444706293;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1297576;1444707986;mircea_popescu;"I met the woman at a Broadway show, but the night's best piece of acting, I'd say, came from me, back at her East Village apartment, after we'd been having sex for about 25 minutes, with Neil Young wailing the song "Comes a Time" from the laptop on her bedside table. The dried-out condom had a full-bodied choke hold on me, but I'd already stopped twice to put on a fresh one, and I knew, as I kept earnestly pumping awa
1297577;1444707986;mircea_popescu;y, that one more condom wouldn't make the necessary difference."
1297578;1444707993;mircea_popescu;motherfucker! who has this problem ?!
1297579;1444708012;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/hes_just_not_that_into_anyone.html << how the fuck does he figure THE GUY has chronic sexual dysfunction ?
1297580;1444708014;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Effects Of Too Much Porn: "He's Just Not That Into Anyone" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OyoH09 )
1297581;1444708019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54219 @ 0.00048223 = 26.146 BTC [-] {4} 
1297582;1444708030;mircea_popescu;i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ?
1297583;1444708063;mircea_popescu;i've seen the thing where after a bout of sustained fucking her cunt would leak of its own volition for another fucking hour, yes. but what is this sandy bitch bs.
1297584;1444708432;phf;a common acquaintance once said that she sometimes flips through tv channels while having sex with her boyfriend
1297585;1444708446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00048005 = 16.1777 BTC [-]
1297586;1444711753;mircea_popescu;common to whom, us two ?
1297587;1444712655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00048065 = 11.6317 BTC [+]
1297588;1444713082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00048005 = 2.4723 BTC [-]
1297589;1444713634;mircea_popescu;"I have a surprising piece of advice for parents, which I hope will be taken in the spirit it is offered: your kid doesn't want to be around you that much.  No one does.  This isn't because you're a bad person but because you're an ordinary person.  You are not such a unique, creative, intelligent or even interesting person that the kid benefits from constant exposure to you.  When you have something to offer, maximize
1297590;1444713634;mircea_popescu; and concentrate that time, and then get the hell out of the way."
1297591;1444713636;mircea_popescu;best advice.
1297592;1444714546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00048065 = 1.1055 BTC [+]
1297593;1444714912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10667 @ 0.00048481 = 5.1715 BTC [+]
1297594;1444715583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00048572 = 9.9087 BTC [+] {3} 
1297595;1444715644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33573 @ 0.00048112 = 16.1526 BTC [-] {2} 
1297596;1444715766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00047999 = 12.7437 BTC [-] {4} 
1297597;1444715888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048607 = 2.965 BTC [+]
1297598;1444716254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00047876 = 3.1598 BTC [-] {2} 
1297599;1444716620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00048539 = 5.7276 BTC [+]
1297600;1444716914;BingoBoingo;<assbot> [MPEX] [D.XAPO] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+] << 0.o
1297601;1444716992;mircea_popescu;lol
1297602;1444717230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00048607 = 6.1731 BTC [+]
1297603;1444717718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00048539 = 9.999 BTC [-]
1297604;1444717768;mircea_popescu;!up rdymac
1297605;1444717901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.0004829 = 11.2274 BTC [-] {3} 
1297606;1444718023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5133 @ 0.00048607 = 2.495 BTC [+]
1297607;1444718511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00048764 = 5.7542 BTC [+]
1297608;1444718938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00048025 = 5.2828 BTC [-] {3} 
1297609;1444719975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16607 @ 0.00047848 = 7.9461 BTC [-] {2} 
1297610;1444720524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22223 @ 0.0004777 = 10.6159 BTC [-] {4} 
1297611;1444721500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048271 = 10.9575 BTC [+]
1297612;1444721622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048634 = 11.0399 BTC [+] {3} 
1297613;1444723879;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32250 @ 0.00048811 = 15.7415 BTC [+] {3} 
1297614;1444725160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40320 @ 0.00048015 = 19.3596 BTC [-] {3} 
1297615;1444725221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7478 @ 0.00047736 = 3.5697 BTC [-]
1297616;1444728820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00047744 = 10.7424 BTC [+] {3} 
1297617;1444731187;punkman;BingoBoingo: If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it << no no the cannon takes the idiots, unless I'm out of powder
1297618;1444732034;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297582 given enough airflow and pulling out on the outstroke, it's sort of possible, at least temporarily
1297619;1444732034;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 03:47:10; mircea_popescu: i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ?
1297620;1444732907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00047971 = 7.4796 BTC [+]
1297621;1444733334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00047971 = 3.0701 BTC [+]
1297622;1444734859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41649 @ 0.00047934 = 19.964 BTC [-] {2} 
1297623;1444734920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00047846 = 3.4966 BTC [-]
1297624;1444735103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15661 @ 0.00047803 = 7.4864 BTC [-] {3} 
1297625;1444735469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00047684 = 10.8243 BTC [-] {2} 
1297626;1444735874;punkman;here's one for BB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHEj2xf-Ro
1297627;1444735880;assbot;Miss Platnum - Give Me The Food (Offizielles Musikvideo) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k1iQFm )
1297628;1444738580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9187 @ 0.00047971 = 4.4071 BTC [+]
1297629;1444738763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40392 @ 0.00047971 = 19.3764 BTC [+]
1297630;1444739522;mircea_popescu;punkman ah i hate the pulling out stuff
1297631;1444739530;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is how condoms break if they do.
1297632;1444741935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00047831 = 8.4422 BTC [-] {2} 
1297633;1444743187;mircea_popescu;!up binaryatrocity
1297634;1444743200;binaryatrocity;Thank you.
1297635;1444743207;mircea_popescu;sure. who're you ?
1297636;1444743232;binaryatrocity;I am binaryatrocity, lover of crypto, and lurker of many channels.
1297637;1444743236;mircea_popescu;aha.
1297638;1444743249;binaryatrocity;The pleasure is all mine. Well met.
1297639;1444743326;jurov;have a blog?
1297640;1444743361;binaryatrocity;I... have a personal site, that may look like a blog. But it is lacking in any blog-like content.
1297641;1444743887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00047812 = 10.2318 BTC [-]
1297642;1444744131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00047837 = 5.2142 BTC [+]
1297643;1444744375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00047974 = 3.718 BTC [+] {3} 
1297644;1444744681;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: link?
1297645;1444744709;binaryatrocity;http://keybase.io/binaryatrocity
1297646;1444744712;assbot;Brandon Cornejo (binaryatrocity) | Keybase
1297647;1444744717;binaryatrocity;err, http://brandoncornejo.name
1297648;1444744723;assbot;Brandon Cornejo | binaryatrocity ... ( http://bit.ly/1VPOAyg )
1297649;1444744737;asciilifeform;keybase?!!
1297650;1444744739;asciilifeform;!s keybase
1297651;1444744740;assbot;87 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase
1297652;1444744758;binaryatrocity;hmm?
1297653;1444744796;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: it is a search command. if you follow the link, will see discussions of the item from the past. might learn something.
1297654;1444744809;binaryatrocity;hmm, signature verification with gribble is ever-failing
1297655;1444744830;asciilifeform;gribble auth is no longer in active use in #bitcoin-assets.
1297656;1444744857;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
1297657;1444744859;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
1297658;1444744908;binaryatrocity;yes but I cannot yet voice myself, and the "requirements to be in Assbots WoT can be found <here>" link goes to the homepage
1297659;1444744939;binaryatrocity;which links to a waybackmachine of cascadianhacker.com, which references gribble auth
1297660;1444744943;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: register with assbot; at some point, other people might rate you, and then you will be self-voicing.
1297661;1444744943;binaryatrocity;so here I am :D
1297662;1444744954;asciilifeform;but no one can rate you until you register.
1297663;1444744959;binaryatrocity;registered!
1297664;1444744997;asciilifeform;!gettrust binaryatrocity
1297665;1444744998;assbot;Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user binaryatrocity: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=binaryatrocity | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/binaryatrocity/
1297666;1444745025;asciilifeform;!rate binaryatrocity 1 new blood
1297667;1444745025;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/08b00c0783c0d8b4
1297668;1444745056;asciilifeform;!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.binaryatrocity.1:c01c13d718ae0ea8df2544e2e90e5d6b6f3b03e8c865a0bf788ff9daaba79292
1297669;1444745056;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for binaryatrocity with note: new blood
1297670;1444745069;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: try voicing yourself now.
1297671;1444745195;asciilifeform;binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy.
1297672;1444745229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00048014 = 19.0135 BTC [+] {3} 
1297673;1444745251;*;asciilifeform bbl
1297674;1444745536;mircea_popescu;o.O our wiki is out of date ?
1297675;1444745583;mircea_popescu;who was giving jurov a login ? kakobrekla ? mike_c ?
1297676;1444745620;jurov;iirc no one yet
1297677;1444745636;mircea_popescu;yeah im chasing it.
1297678;1444745765;thestringpuller;for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz?
1297679;1444745831;jurov;sex?
1297680;1444745832;kakobrekla;sure i can make you an account
1297681;1444745839;jurov;kakobrekla: yes pls
1297682;1444745847;kakobrekla;pm
1297683;1444745872;mircea_popescu;for young males with anxiety "disorders" the only workable solution is to get into a lot of fights.
1297684;1444745895;mircea_popescu;with any luck you'll be cured before you lose your 2nd tooth.
1297685;1444745920;thestringpuller;how does that work psychologically and all that jazz?
1297686;1444745975;kakobrekla;anyone else needs a login?
1297687;1444746000;mircea_popescu;the ancient theory on consumptive masturbation was that monsters are a figment of the imagination, and so the practical cure was to expose the young man to ACTUAL, ie, anatomically accurate depictions of the other gender. what today we'd call porn.
1297688;1444746014;mircea_popescu;all neurosis works the same way, the subject replaces the thing as is with a construct in his own head.
1297689;1444746937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13893 @ 0.0004797 = 6.6645 BTC [-]
1297690;1444747153;kakobrekla;>A crowdfunding campaign for a razor blade which its US creators claimed could remove facial hair with a laser beam has been suspended by Kickstarter.
1297691;1444747160;kakobrekla;>It has now been relisted on Indiegogo.
1297692;1444747165;kakobrekla;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34516907#?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
1297693;1444747167;assbot;Laser razor kicked off Kickstarter - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1k1O536 )
1297694;1444747409;mircea_popescu;doh
1297695;1444747483;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297500 < assbot currently runs --refresh-keys periodically
1297696;1444747483;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 02:56:15; mircea_popescu: phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in.
1297697;1444747499;mircea_popescu;ah
1297698;1444747506;mircea_popescu;any particular reason ?
1297699;1444747547;mircea_popescu;imo the right play would be to stop refreshing and move to a "provide your pubkey in pastebin" model. prhaps even to be enhanced to a "ask someone in wot to sign your pubkey and give it to assbot" later. too soon for that imo.
1297700;1444747754;kakobrekla;prolly because of key revocation
1297701;1444748064;kakobrekla;i think there was a discussion back then about this, having it coupled or uncoupled
1297702;1444748072;mircea_popescu;yea
1297703;1444748554;trinque;thestringpuller: take a heroic dose of a psychedelic alone; works as well as a fight
1297704;1444748575;trinque;if you don't crack yourself maybe you'll learn what's actually worth feeling anxiety in life
1297705;1444748727;kakobrekla;also wasnt there the idea of running ba keyserver?
1297706;1444748746;mircea_popescu;ya
1297707;1444748944;kakobrekla;and it is suppose to be compatible with --send-keys?
1297708;1444749087;mircea_popescu;well it's not specced yet, so who knows.\
1297709;1444749337;davout;guten tag
1297710;1444749425;mircea_popescu;hola
1297711;1444749545;mircea_popescu;"Pharma is the backbone of medicine, because, unfortuantely, medicine is about treatment, not prevention.  If a doctor recommends exercise, or garlic, or even aspirin, it's a sidenote, and a quaint one. "Oh, my doctor thinks I should move to Florida for my asthma!"   Meanwhile, they'll give out the amoxicillin to every crying toddler, even though they know that that is detrimental.  you know why?  Because it looks like
1297712;1444749545;mircea_popescu; a treatment.   It's not all the doctors' fault; but that's the system.
1297713;1444749545;mircea_popescu;I'm going to repeat this because I know people are going to misunderstand me: the system that you want is impossible to construct in the framework of modern medicine, if for no other reason than doctors don't read-- derive no benefit from reading.  The system does not exist, and you cannot create it.  Psychiatry is politics; medicine is the justice system.  Pharma are the opposing lawyers, and doctors are the jury.  Th
1297714;1444749548;mircea_popescu;e jury must decide the fate of the defendant-patient.  And the FDA--judge simply makes sure everyone is civil.  Not accurate, save for outright perjury; just civil."
1297715;1444749552;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. see, this is how bad ideas corrupt.
1297716;1444749557;jurov;iirc the keyserver will be geared maximally toward manual process
1297717;1444749561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00047992 = 14.0137 BTC [+] {3} 
1297718;1444749568;jurov;such as... human sacrifices
1297719;1444749569;mircea_popescu;"oh, we don't have the continental legal system here - we have an adversarial system" good for you
1297720;1444749580;mircea_popescu;"and we'll make medicine work that way too because there can only be one of anything"
1297721;1444749584;mircea_popescu;fuck you, seriously.
1297722;1444749626;mircea_popescu;jurov firstborn keyserver ?
1297723;1444749716;jurov;problematic if no children
1297724;1444749873;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1297725;1444749891;mircea_popescu;but i guess if no children one could sacrifice first gf.
1297726;1444750110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00048031 = 11.0952 BTC [+]
1297727;1444750720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00047748 = 12.9158 BTC [-] {3} 
1297728;1444752056;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297671   <<< sadly, keybase turned out to be a giant disappoint for me.
1297729;1444752056;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 14:06:35; asciilifeform: binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy.
1297730;1444752114;deedbot-;[Trilema] Eulora continuat - http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-continuat/
1297731;1444752245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14167 @ 0.00048165 = 6.8235 BTC [+] {4} 
1297732;1444752393;binaryatrocity;but as basically another keyserver, no problem with keybase right?
1297733;1444752421;binaryatrocity;I'm not trusting them with my private key, it's just a sane profile to store the public and link me to domains etc i might control?
1297734;1444752502;mircea_popescu;sorta like hanging out at the rape club is a-ok because you're only getting drinks anyway.
1297735;1444752522;mircea_popescu;a perfectly sound if rather uncommon stance.
1297736;1444752532;binaryatrocity;but I left the key to my chastity belt at home, so I'm safe!? :D
1297737;1444752548;binaryatrocity;Just looking for some reasoning behind the hate, feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.
1297738;1444752588;binaryatrocity;Obviously popping your private key into your browser is asking for a bad-time, but in the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used, it's basically teh same functionality?
1297739;1444752591;punkman;binaryatrocity: one, it is/was all javascript, two, it used to "backup" your private keys to their server
1297740;1444752600;mircea_popescu;not afaik same functionality, no.
1297741;1444752627;binaryatrocity;but handing over your private key is optional, I clearly understand why relinquishing access to your private key is a bad idea
1297742;1444752657;mircea_popescu;but hanging out / using people who do a bad thing, even if they're not doing it to you, is dubious.
1297743;1444752761;binaryatrocity;I see your point, the public-facing info can be useful though, sure there might be no real tangible benefit to tying your github to your gpg key that you couldn't achieve in a different manner, but it does provide a clean interface
1297744;1444752805;mircea_popescu;that's ok, we don't like github either.
1297745;1444752849;binaryatrocity;Sure, self-hosted is king. I follow.
1297746;1444752872;davout;binaryatrocity: how do you "link your GPG to your github"?
1297747;1444752888;mircea_popescu;this is the sort of thing one can't understand from outside.
1297748;1444752929;jurov;"popping your private key into your browser" IS NOT "the same vein as pgp.mit.edu is used" !!!
1297749;1444752937;binaryatrocity;i didn't say that
1297750;1444752939;jurov;where his nonsense comes from??
1297751;1444752941;binaryatrocity;*sigh*
1297752;1444752944;mircea_popescu;lol.
1297753;1444752946;binaryatrocity;I didn't say that at all
1297754;1444752949;jurov;what did you say?
1297755;1444752966;binaryatrocity;Storing your PUBLIC key on Keybase to be access by whomever is the equivalent to uploading your public key to the MIT keyserver
1297756;1444752967;jurov;i see "basically the same functionality"
1297757;1444752982;binaryatrocity;it allows someone who is looking for your public key to access it, based on information they may already know about you
1297758;1444752990;mircea_popescu;pushing a point, sending an ack to a http server is pretty much the same as sending an ack to any other http server.
1297759;1444753004;binaryatrocity;Be that your Name, an associated domain name, or an already-known 'social' account
1297760;1444753013;mircea_popescu;binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.
1297761;1444753035;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297762;1444753036;jurov;binaryatrocity: and then the private keys of other derps leak, how will you explain "but it's not me" ?
1297763;1444753039;ascii_field;ok this is glorious:
1297764;1444753050;binaryatrocity;It stores the associations in a 'familiar' and accessible manner
1297765;1444753071;mircea_popescu;hey, what's your facebook ?
1297766;1444753073;binaryatrocity;but again i see your point, signing messages to my GIST or Twitter is still relevant without Keybase displaying it.
1297767;1444753076;ascii_field;my office window faces a parking lot. there is a 'welfar' office nearly. a couple just parked, carrying out a cradle with a kid. they parked... a brand new 'jaguar'.
1297768;1444753081;jurov;you're basically supporting gpg-discreditation ops
1297769;1444753086;jurov;understand?
1297770;1444753098;ascii_field;*welfare
1297771;1444753104;ascii_field;(or 'wic' as it is called now)
1297772;1444753106;mircea_popescu;ascii_field you know more poor people buy status symbol items on credit than rich people buy them cash ?
1297773;1444753107;binaryatrocity;Yes, yes I understand that keybase is bad because they allow the option for users to compromise their own private keys
1297774;1444753119;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i knew, in abstract. but never saw alive.
1297775;1444753143;mircea_popescu;binaryatrocity it's not that simple. that's just a symptom. keybase is bad because is made by the enemy, to suit the agenda of the enemy. the compromise key is just a symptom of this fundamental allignment with evil.
1297776;1444753170;binaryatrocity;Care to elaborate on this 'agenda' some?
1297777;1444753181;mircea_popescu;you mean other than the log does ?
1297778;1444753187;jurov;i repeat, gpg discreditation
1297779;1444753201;punkman;example http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-09-2015#1286379
1297780;1444753201;assbot;Logged on 26-09-2015 11:23:38; punkman: https://keybase.io/blog/keybase-new-key-model gpg is hard, let's go shopping
1297781;1444753203;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah but that's not meaningful to him. because dat variety speak.
1297782;1444753331;binaryatrocity;I completely understand that argument, I just wanted some elaboration on "fundamental alignment with evil" heh
1297783;1444753374;mircea_popescu;maybe a good move is ben_vulpes recent article on cascadian hacker.
1297784;1444753374;jurov;it's in the logs
1297785;1444753377;mircea_popescu;anecdotal but workable.
1297786;1444753380;jurov;read them
1297787;1444753420;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: correction - turns out it was not 'jaguar' but something else. still, spiffier than my old tub.
1297788;1444753422;binaryatrocity;Yes i am currently reading them.  I also have a job to do, was hoping for a succinct answer, oh well, I'll read at my leisure. Thank you.
1297789;1444753435;mircea_popescu;let me guess alfie, you mistook a new-ish chevy for jaguar.
1297790;1444753439;davout;jurov: gpg discredits itself fine by itself :D
1297791;1444753446;mircea_popescu;that is also a point lol.
1297792;1444753447;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: vintage 'lincoln'
1297793;1444753452;ascii_field;polished.
1297794;1444753470;mircea_popescu;i dont recal lif that's very cheap or very expensive.
1297795;1444753491;ascii_field;iirc it is american-highend
1297796;1444753511;binaryatrocity;Lincoln is the "luxury" line of the Ford motor company
1297797;1444753527;mircea_popescu;ya but old ones
1297798;1444753559;binaryatrocity;Ford has owned Lincoln since like the 50's
1297799;1444753576;mircea_popescu;no i mean  - some old cars are actually more expensive old than they evere were new.\
1297800;1444753582;mircea_popescu;some others... be happy for $500
1297801;1444753583;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297252 <<< sha256 implements sha2
1297802;1444753583;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 22:01:06; pete_dushenski: davout: also sha2 != sha256
1297803;1444753584;binaryatrocity;Oh, gotcha, sure.
1297804;1444753607;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297245 <<< fixxored ty
1297805;1444753607;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 21:59:05; pete_dushenski: davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost
1297806;1444753663;mircea_popescu;turns out the number s supplied was inaccurate.
1297807;1444753664;punkman;you can also have sha3 with 256bits
1297808;1444753673;mircea_popescu;if it's ~150-200k today, it was under 1mn in 2012\
1297809;1444753848;davout;punkman: yeah sure, but what's usually referred to by SHA256 is SHA2 with a 256 bit length
1297810;1444753911;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297760 << this is the basic vampirism on which the 'sv' huckster set lives.
1297811;1444753911;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 16:16:53; mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows keybase.io to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work.
1297812;1444753963;ascii_field;'i'm on arsebook, but i have a brain!' 'good work, now arsebook can say, 'some of our users have brains!'' lubing up the chumpatronic intake hopper.
1297813;1444753996;mircea_popescu;aye. just for my own amusement, i had a subreddit created ; and seeded it with a coupla posts.
1297814;1444754003;mircea_popescu;one week later traffic on it ? 0.
1297815;1444754007;mircea_popescu;"reddit is relevant". to what ?
1297816;1444754018;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: perhaps not much reddit in sp ?
1297817;1444754020;mircea_popescu;"well if you're already there it looks like there's people there". sure. same is true of grand central station
1297818;1444754023;davout;what's the subreddit?
1297819;1444754028;mircea_popescu;"no you don't understand, reddit drives traffic!!1"
1297820;1444754035;mircea_popescu;orly ? it drives exactly 0, on its own.
1297821;1444754061;mircea_popescu;davout no, because "irrelevant" MP is going to accidentally by an apropos drive 50000% more traffic than reddit\
1297822;1444754070;mircea_popescu;anmd then reddit will go "see ? |REDDIT DRIVES TRAFFIC!!11"
1297823;1444754079;ascii_field;idk, when i link article in en there, it brings in a deluge of burned bandwidth
1297824;1444754084;mircea_popescu;and then in the same day ima have to explain to well intentioned fellows what is evil about usg-tronics.
1297825;1444754090;ascii_field;reddit is mostly usa thing
1297826;1444754101;mircea_popescu;gee, i dunno. the fact they exist, as opposed to squirming in a lake full of its own guts ?
1297827;1444754113;mircea_popescu;ascii_field spanish is the most spoken language in the us, get off.
1297828;1444754115;davout;blergh
1297829;1444754123;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not by net users
1297830;1444754128;ascii_field;believe or not
1297831;1444754141;mircea_popescu;get out. who's on her mobile all day ?
1297832;1444754164;mircea_popescu;not the northrop ceo, i'll bet you.
1297833;1444754168;ascii_field;those folks aren't using the net as such. they're using sms (and, the occasional arsebook)
1297834;1444754177;mircea_popescu;so then redit is exactly correct.
1297835;1444754210;ascii_field;reddit, for whatever reason unknown to me, is mainly used by folks who sprechen sprechen englisch
1297836;1444754260;mircea_popescu;in the sense that nobody uses it anyway and whoever forgot the bot setting on us-en
1297837;1444754378;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/assassination-reciprocity.htm << lulzy. when will these folks learn to pgp ?
1297838;1444754380;assbot;Assassination Reciprocity ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2b4ei )
1297839;1444754404;ascii_field;or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with
1297840;1444754434;mircea_popescu;i think it might be related to the spam discussion. "why is spam misspelled ? not because they can't hiore an editor. but because the demographic."
1297841;1444754448;mircea_popescu;last fucking thing a spammer wants is the attention of intelligent people.
1297842;1444754464;ascii_field;that would explain it.
1297843;1444754929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00047857 = 2.7518 BTC [-] {2} 
1297844;1444754990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.0004821 = 2.0971 BTC [+]
1297845;1444755527;mike_c;https://keybase.io/binaryatrocity << so, your twitter feed is "associated" with your public key, because.. keybase says so?
1297846;1444755529;assbot;Brandon Cornejo (binaryatrocity) | Keybase ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2eA8F )
1297847;1444755553;mike_c;this lends some credibility to your twitter feed?
1297848;1444755571;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297849;1444755579;mike_c;that I somehow know that it's not somebody else posting those twitter messages because the same public key and twitter address are listed on some keybase page?
1297850;1444755582;ascii_field;re: earlier thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQz4LKK6x2s
1297851;1444755588;assbot;The SKAM Laser Razor: 21st century shaving!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2eP3A )
1297852;1444755617;mike_c;the problem with keybase is that it's smoke and mirrors.  there isn't any actual link between those things, but it is pretending there is
1297853;1444755640;binaryatrocity;I'd imagine more the other way around, if you already 'followed' me on Twitter, you'd reasonably be able to assume that the other 'accounts' listed are also owned/controlled by that-person
1297854;1444755661;mircea_popescu;the reasonable assumption is a beast that wasn't yet born.
1297855;1444755684;mike_c;why? what would make me take that leap?  because they are on the same keybase page that somebody set up?
1297856;1444755696;mike_c;this is the problem - imaginary "credibility"
1297857;1444755717;mike_c;if it were a problem, if anyone cared about keybase
1297858;1444755742;mircea_popescu;actually mike has it. this is i agree the best avenue to approach the problem. this is what's "evil", binaryatrocity : that in the pursuit of a fundamentally, inescapably false bit of fiction, you are asked to forfeit your actual life.
1297859;1444755759;HeySteve;mike_c, any idea why they don't implement a gribble/assbot verification system to solve the problem?
1297860;1444755773;mike_c;because consumers have come to expect simplicity.
1297861;1444755774;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with
1297862;1444755791;mircea_popescu;today in b-a news : all questions are the same question!
1297863;1444755809;ascii_field;something like the reason why the church never countenanced the various attempts to weigh the dying to learn the mass of escaping soul, etc
1297864;1444755954;binaryatrocity;I understand what you're saying, Keybase could not exist and you could still do the same process of "proofs", signing a message and positing it to Twitter saying this is me achieves the same thing
1297865;1444756018;jurov;you must say so publicly, not some website automagically for you
1297866;1444756036;binaryatrocity;You are saying so publicly
1297867;1444756038;mircea_popescu;well actually, the saying so on twitter is proof.
1297868;1444756052;binaryatrocity;by signing a message with your PGP key, thus linking hte accounts
1297869;1444756084;binaryatrocity;stop thinking about Keybase at all, if you know me for my code on Github, and you see I've signed some message with my key, and see a message similarly signed on a Twitter account
1297870;1444756099;ascii_field;binaryatrocity: and when twitter posts 'i fuck goats' under your account, how will you ~unlink~ ?
1297871;1444756104;mircea_popescu;there's a huge difference between something like http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle-378272.txt and a nude statement on a website.
1297872;1444756110;binaryatrocity;you can reasonably assume that both accounts are owned/controlled by the same person, namely "that guy i know on Github"
1297873;1444756123;binaryatrocity;sure, you have no proof of real-world identity, but you have 'proof' that control of both accounts is had by the same entity
1297874;1444756141;mircea_popescu;moreover unless i want to fuck you i couldn't give less of a shit about your "real world" identity
1297875;1444756150;mircea_popescu;what exactly is it about wisconsin that makes it "real world" anyway.
1297876;1444756157;mircea_popescu;looks pretty fake to me.
1297877;1444756201;binaryatrocity;You could again sign a message with your key stating that Twitter or some other entity is posting to your Twitter account? lol
1297878;1444756221;binaryatrocity;that's... not hte point
1297879;1444756228;ascii_field;binaryatrocity: and post it ~where~
1297880;1444756231;binaryatrocity;the point is that anyone can go make a Reddit account with my nym
1297881;1444756240;mircea_popescu;sure.
1297882;1444756257;binaryatrocity;signing and posting messages between multiple accounts with the same name serves as some proof that they are controlled by the same entity
1297883;1444756264;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1297884;1444756268;binaryatrocity;that's all I'm saying
1297885;1444756268;binaryatrocity;lol
1297886;1444756275;mircea_popescu;o ok than.
1297887;1444756281;ascii_field;were controlled. at one instance in time.
1297888;1444756308;*;mircea_popescu !downs ascii_field because hey. at one instance in time eh ? :D
1297889;1444756324;binaryatrocity;and yes, Wisconsin is fake, most American beer is actually spontaneously created :D
1297890;1444756332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00047858 = 6.6523 BTC [-]
1297891;1444756344;mircea_popescu;wait wasn't oregon the beer state ? i thought wisconsin mostly made the plastic cheese.
1297892;1444756384;ascii_field;they make small quantities of actual cheese, even.
1297893;1444756410;ascii_field;the beer is created when u.s. folks barf
1297894;1444756415;binaryatrocity;Wisconsin is known for cheese, the largest city in said state is known as "Brew City", as many of the current mass-produced american beers found their start here
1297895;1444756417;mircea_popescu;in fairness it'd be excellent clime for good cheez.
1297896;1444756433;binaryatrocity;Miller, Schlitz, Blatz, Leinies, etc
1297897;1444756448;binaryatrocity;and I think California makes more cheese now, so I don't even know
1297898;1444756473;ascii_field;the cost of actual cheese, in usa, per-gram, approaches that of silver
1297899;1444756478;mircea_popescu;am i the only one aware that schlitz is "urination opening in male pants" in yidish and so amused at the notion ?
1297900;1444756505;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 10-20 dollars an ounce ? sounds maybe a little excessive.
1297901;1444756516;ascii_field;'a little'
1297902;1444756529;mircea_popescu;that said - good cheese was never cheap.
1297903;1444756552;mircea_popescu;mimolette exists because the dutch imported cheese was TOO EXPENSIVE. and about half the respected cheeses exist for similar reasons.
1297904;1444756575;ascii_field;this process continued in usa to its logical conclusion
1297905;1444756578;ascii_field;petro-cheese.
1297906;1444756584;mircea_popescu;aha.
1297907;1444756607;mircea_popescu;note that both spreading and eating works. so there is that.
1297908;1444756626;ascii_field;one time, pet went on a visit to a household in the middle states where they habitually ate petrocheese
1297909;1444756633;ascii_field;these folks actually do not recognize the real thing as 'cheese'
1297910;1444756651;ascii_field;and yes, 'spreading - works!11111'
1297911;1444756662;*;mircea_popescu took canned tuna afficionado out for fresh tuna, "what is this"
1297912;1444756663;mircea_popescu;tuna
1297913;1444756666;mircea_popescu;"but it tastes like seafood"
1297914;1444756742;ascii_field;there are ru emigres in usa who habitually ate tinned food sold for cat, not out of poverty, but because it seemed entirely logical that quality canned fish ought to have a picture of a cat on the tin, and tastes just like the other cans
1297915;1444756774;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1297916;1444756788;kakobrekla;!b 2
1297917;1444756788;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0S9MEJ3.txt )
1297918;1444756820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13833 @ 0.00047858 = 6.6202 BTC [-]
1297919;1444756830;mircea_popescu;honestly, i am a bit puzzled by all these dancing pigs and excited chicks used to market animal flesh.
1297920;1444756838;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be more logical to have wolves and foxes on the packaging ?
1297921;1444756848;mircea_popescu;or what is the idea, the pig appreciates HIS OWN TASTE ?
1297922;1444756850;ascii_field;and the smiling infants on 'baby food'
1297923;1444756861;mircea_popescu;no, that i can see.
1297924;1444756882;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: a 1990 issue of su 'наука и жизнь' had a letter to the editor concerning this meme, freshly introduced to su
1297925;1444756894;ascii_field;where beloved cartoon characters were printed on tins of infant food
1297926;1444756911;ascii_field;'my son cried, he did not want to eat winny pooh!'
1297927;1444756921;mircea_popescu;lol
1297928;1444756930;mircea_popescu;"don't cry, baby, it's not winny pooh, it's just his guts."
1297929;1444756940;mircea_popescu;!s bambi's mom
1297930;1444756941;assbot;1 results for 'bambi's mom' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bambi%27s+mom
1297931;1444756941;ascii_field;'he perished with honour'
1297932;1444756942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.0004766 = 19.4929 BTC [-]
1297933;1444756967;*;ascii_field envisions '47 ronin' brand of ground meat for infant
1297934;1444756993;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR2Dpr36ndg
1297935;1444756994;assbot;YouTube Poop - Skippy sees Bambi's Mom get Murdered - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2j9j6 )
1297936;1444757125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15767 @ 0.00047858 = 7.5458 BTC [+]
1297937;1444757250;*;ascii_field if he were tlp, might say something re: 'pig appreciates his own taste, in america'
1297938;1444757460;punkman;http://qz.com/522483/after-62-years-playboy-will-no-longer-feature-pictures-of-naked-women/
1297939;1444757461;assbot;After 62 years, Playboy will no longer feature pictures of naked women - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2kFBP )
1297940;1444757565;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297941;1444757568;punkman;"The company now makes most of its money from licensing its ubiquitous  brand and logo across the world — 40 percent of that business is in  China even though the magazine is not available there — for bath  products, fragrances, clothing, liquor and jewelry among other  merchandise. Nudity in the magazine risks complaints from shoppers, and  diminished distribution."
1297942;1444757573;*;ascii_field astonished that it still existed !
1297943;1444757612;ascii_field;but this is no more and no less astonishing than when, e.g., ibm ceased to build computers
1297944;1444757637;mircea_popescu;i thought the whole thing hustler did was that playboy didn't have cunt in it so flint put cunt in hustler.
1297945;1444757673;mircea_popescu;anywya. the migration of old porn brands towards softcore and then bedroom, bath ^ beyond is inevitable.
1297946;1444757689;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc it had 'cunt with the safety on'
1297947;1444757763;mircea_popescu;howssat ? virgins ?
1297948;1444757770;ascii_field;panties
1297949;1444757793;*;mircea_popescu has never actually bought any opf these.
1297950;1444757811;*;ascii_field has never even ~seen~ printed, dead-tree porn outside of an antiquarian book shop
1297951;1444757828;mircea_popescu;well... i grew up in yurp. the swiss pronz was great.
1297952;1444758017;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297566 << diatomaceous earth (silica dioxide) is also regularly used for roaches, ants, etc.
1297953;1444758017;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
1297954;1444758022;pete_dushenski;at least in this part of the world
1297955;1444758517;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/contact/ << pgp public key block added. previously just had link to 'sks'.
1297956;1444758518;assbot;Contact | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2o1EW )
1297957;1444758607;mircea_popescu;did ytou get it from sks or export locally ?
1297958;1444758619;pete_dushenski;export locally
1297959;1444758834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24699 @ 0.00047744 = 11.7923 BTC [-]
1297960;1444758867;mircea_popescu;cool.
1297961;1444759058;pete_dushenski;can someone explain to me why pgp public key blocks appear to differ while resulting in the same public key being imported ? are differenct hash algorithms being used ?
1297962;1444759096;pete_dushenski;eg. http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/key/0x165749929F9A6BDD != locally exported public key block above
1297963;1444759097;assbot;Page not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0iw83 )
1297964;1444759124;pete_dushenski;wtf notfound
1297965;1444759155;pete_dushenski;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x165749929F9A6BDD << this then.
1297966;1444759160;assbot;Public Key Server -- Get "0x165749929f9a6bdd " ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0iLzM )
1297967;1444759226;pete_dushenski;don't ask me where 'keyserver.mattrude.com' came from when i linked from btcalpha. funny lookin' thing.
1297968;1444759269;pete_dushenski;bbias
1297969;1444759269;punkman;pete_dushenski: try gpg --list-packets --verbose to see what's different
1297970;1444759330;ascii_field;pete_dushenski is gonna love this:
1297971;1444759340;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/0ZJRBQD http://dpaste.com/2F8P1K6 http://dpaste.com/3JJYZZW
1297972;1444759342;assbot;dpaste: 0ZJRBQD: legit.asc ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jgtT )
1297973;1444759343;assbot;dpaste: 2F8P1K6: mit.asc ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jjpm )
1297974;1444759345;assbot;dpaste: 3JJYZZW: sks.ask ... ( http://bit.ly/1X0jjFQ )
1297975;1444759375;mircea_popescu;god damned already.
1297976;1444759388;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1297977;1444759389;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1297978;1444759391;ascii_field;ahahahaha
1297979;1444759426;mircea_popescu;and notice that publishing a self-signed pubkey doth not help anything.
1297980;1444759446;ascii_field;how would it.
1297981;1444759492;ascii_field;sks and mit - identical
1297982;1444759708;punkman;so it throws out main key preferences?
1297983;1444759789;ascii_field;pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu, et al: http://imgur.com/AZyGYZo
1297984;1444759790;assbot;sks diddle - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2rQtU )
1297985;1444759816;punkman;oh wait, it adds a second signature packet for main key
1297986;1444759831;ascii_field;assuming pete_dushenski did not upload this himself
1297987;1444759833;ascii_field;and then forgot
1297988;1444759848;mircea_popescu;o.O
1297989;1444759917;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this then.
1297990;1444759927;punkman;is it a cert signature from soneone else?
1297991;1444759971;mircea_popescu;punkman the yellow part, could be. the changed mod in gray down at the bottom tho
1297992;1444760002;mircea_popescu;that looks just like how an attack would look.
1297993;1444760045;punkman;yeah that's a sig from "sig  sig3  8CD06AFD 2015-02-22 2019-02-22 __________ Adam O'Brien <adam.jobrien@me.com>"
1297994;1444760119;ascii_field;looks like a sig, yes
1297995;1444760128;ascii_field;how did it get into his pubkey though
1297996;1444760134;ascii_field;sks plops it in without asking ?
1297997;1444760140;mircea_popescu;cuz guy signed it and updated it
1297998;1444760155;punkman;yeah so you get wot sigs when you grab a key from the keyserver
1297999;1444760188;punkman;is the bottom part changed because some subpackets got rearranged?
1298000;1444760192;ascii_field;lulzy, but come to think of it, i remember discovering this in phuctor
1298001;1444760197;punkman;I dunno how that'd work though
1298002;1444760268;punkman;I wonder how pete ended up with sha512 on his self signatures
1298003;1444760326;mircea_popescu;i don't see how a sub's mod woulkd change because of the packet order.
1298004;1444760340;ascii_field;it's a sig
1298005;1444760341;ascii_field;not a sub
1298006;1444760354;ascii_field;that'd be how.
1298007;1444760365;mircea_popescu;o it is isn't it
1298008;1444760369;mircea_popescu;mk\
1298009;1444760383;mircea_popescu;dumbass "subkey" nonsense makes this 10x as difficult to audit as it should be.
1298010;1444760391;ascii_field;c'mon, 'm^d mod n' printed right there
1298011;1444760400;ascii_field;but mircea_popescu has it.
1298012;1444760419;mircea_popescu;yeah well it's printed right there, sure, in a sea of other shit printed right there. i did not see it.
1298013;1444760434;mircea_popescu;i don't claim to be a fucking code eagle. i claim to live in a world where i don't have to be.
1298014;1444760450;*;ascii_field saw, but 'not from a good life', has looked at a great many of these.
1298015;1444760664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00047655 = 14.8684 BTC [-] {2} 
1298016;1444760686;mircea_popescu;anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.
1298017;1444760704;ascii_field;ask him why in room 101.
1298018;1444760847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00047645 = 7.8852 BTC [-] {2} 
1298019;1444761118;pete_dushenski;back
1298020;1444761123;ascii_field;mega-l0l, sign key 1,000,000,000,001 times, upload...
1298021;1444761164;mircea_popescu;i BET you someone somewhere has a dusted hdd full of various payloads to be thus employed.
1298022;1444761174;pete_dushenski;i just noticed that o'brien signed my key the other week. though i've yet to ask him why.
1298023;1444761201;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: who needs dusty payloads, /dev/random
1298024;1444761213;mircea_popescu;well you want to exploit the necessary overflow.
1298025;1444761217;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1298026;1444761224;ascii_field;if overflow, then definitely.
1298027;1444761239;ascii_field;i'd be surprised if anybody tested it above 4GB
1298028;1444761248;mircea_popescu;aha. or tested it in general.
1298029;1444761254;mircea_popescu;if foss, then overflow. definitely.
1298030;1444761299;*;pete_dushenski wonders if there's a way to 'unsign' keys. assumes not.
1298031;1444761304;*;ascii_field would have said 'no one will load a 4GB turd without noticing' but said this about 4MB trojans in 'visual basic', and was wrong
1298032;1444761321;mircea_popescu;no, because the logical way to do this is make keys outside of hte control of their owners. because logic.
1298033;1444761336;pete_dushenski;right.
1298034;1444761356;mircea_popescu;ascii_field given the wonders of bzip, it's not even sure it has to actually be that big.
1298035;1444761368;mircea_popescu;on the dld pass at least.
1298036;1444761385;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-09-2015#1284573
1298037;1444761385;assbot;Logged on 24-09-2015 03:23:11; asciilifeform: another annoyance is the inclusion of zlib.
1298038;1444761406;mircea_popescu;what's 4 gb worth of 0s zip to ? fifty kb ?
1298039;1444761415;ascii_field;a few dozen bts
1298040;1444761469;mircea_popescu;phd paper for insta-nsa-ship : "how to make hash output periodic so that it zips well"
1298041;1444761597;ascii_field;ok which one of you wants to be the victim
1298042;1444761607;pete_dushenski;coincidentally to this bit of strange, i finally moved mr. o'brien off of 'apple mail' 'pgp'... last week.
1298043;1444761626;pete_dushenski;with auto-decrypt, auto-encrypt, auto-sign, blah blah
1298044;1444761635;mircea_popescu;so that's p[rolly why he signed your key. it's reasonable, he has to have a copy of it on his system\
1298045;1444761638;mircea_popescu;might as well upload it.
1298046;1444761738;pete_dushenski;quite possibly.
1298047;1444761884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00047624 = 19.9306 BTC [-] {5} 
1298048;1444761885;ascii_field;i'll repeat the question
1298049;1444761888;ascii_field;who wants to be the victim
1298050;1444761918;ascii_field;of sks turdcannon 1.0
1298051;1444761946;mircea_popescu;shall we repeat the silence ?
1298052;1444761950;mircea_popescu;do it to fucking julia.
1298053;1444761959;ascii_field;now we need a julia
1298054;1444762015;pete_dushenski;tourianski ?
1298055;1444762026;mircea_popescu;ima set up a key on my game dedicated box in a few hours if no better solution.
1298056;1444762061;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not unless she goes around meadows stripping nude in one gesture.
1298057;1444762247;pete_dushenski;;;later tell JuliaTourianski_ feel like stripping in a meadow ? it's for science.
1298058;1444762248;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1298059;1444762322;pete_dushenski;off for a spell. will talk to o'brien this week. fuckin pgp...
1298060;1444762407;shinohai;http://forklog.net/cryptotechnology-beyond-prohibition-an-interview-with-bitruble-project-managers/
1298061;1444762408;assbot;Cryptotechnology Beyond Prohibition: An Interview with Bitruble Project Managers | ForkLog ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQTqGf )
1298062;1444763836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19732 @ 0.0004761 = 9.3944 BTC [-] {2} 
1298063;1444764030;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1298064;1444764994;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297948 << Nah, in old playboy the "safety" was bush
1298065;1444764994;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 17:36:10; ascii_field: panties
1298066;1444765540;mircea_popescu;"I was about to pull the covers up, and she looks at me and says, "Daddy, are all doctors daddies and all nurses mommies?"
1298067;1444765540;mircea_popescu;Here we go, I think.
1298068;1444765540;mircea_popescu;
1298069;1444765540;mircea_popescu;Maybe you think this is a simple yes or no question, but it's not, everything becomes strategy. How I answer this will affect the rest of her life, how she'll answer her own questions and set goals and limits for herself. This is a scrimmage to teach her position. Am I smart enough as a parent? Am I ready?
1298070;1444765542;mircea_popescu;I've mentally practiced this moment, and dozens others like it. For some I even have a script. I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences. The trick is how to teach her that, how to make it part of the way she thinks, reflexive."
1298071;1444765546;mircea_popescu;bwhahahaha
1298072;1444765550;mircea_popescu;and the beauty is, the guy is COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS.
1298073;1444765562;mircea_popescu;brightest fucking psych mind in america, best blog i ever read,
1298074;1444765564;mircea_popescu;and yet...
1298075;1444765584;mircea_popescu;"I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences."
1298076;1444765587;mircea_popescu;best in fucking class.
1298077;1444765608;mircea_popescu;"bitch, get over here." yes massah. "here's how you gonna think free of outside influences. got that ?" yes massah.
1298078;1444765627;mircea_popescu;go me, i just won all the ballas parenting points, and the bitch ain't even my daughter.\
1298079;1444765706;ascii_field;'...so the room would be empty!'
1298080;1444765725;mircea_popescu;see, this is the problem with l;iving over there.
1298081;1444765732;mircea_popescu;in the end, it does not matter how smart you personally are.
1298082;1444765793;mircea_popescu;spends 500 posts lambasting "narcisism" in others, proceeds to " How I answer this will affect the rest of her life". because why ?
1298083;1444765843;mircea_popescu;the biological sign of success as a parent is that your kids couldn't give less of a shit about you. that's how maturity works. look at any fucking mammal out there.
1298084;1444765871;mircea_popescu;"o no, people are better than you know, species" whyssat ? "because we got narcisism". well done.
1298085;1444766322;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1298086;1444766703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00047843 = 16.6015 BTC [+]
1298087;1444766947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12424 @ 0.00048096 = 5.9754 BTC [+] {2} 
1298088;1444767435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00047551 = 17.7841 BTC [-] {3} 
1298089;1444767718;jurov;!b 5
1298090;1444767718;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAET07.txt )
1298091;1444767770;mircea_popescu;jurov almost done with slag. how's mining ?
1298092;1444767817;jurov;too many tinies
1298093;1444767835;mircea_popescu;ha. need teh bot for that huh.
1298094;1444767898;ascii_field;ok who'll be the victim
1298095;1444767904;ascii_field;the gun - is ready
1298096;1444767921;ascii_field;or shall i simply post the latter.
1298097;1444768106;mircea_popescu;mk ima go make a sig
1298098;1444768505;mircea_popescu;ascii_field 902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7
1298099;1444768507;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1298100;1444768515;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: didja upload it ?
1298101;1444768529;mircea_popescu;ya
1298102;1444768537;mircea_popescu;jurov come and get it.
1298103;1444768582;ascii_field;not turning up
1298104;1444768588;ascii_field;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7&op=index
1298105;1444768591;assbot;No results found
1298106;1444768663;mircea_popescu;well if it doesn't pop in half hour ima... what ? give you the pubkey ?
1298107;1444768680;ascii_field;where did you upload?
1298108;1444768708;mircea_popescu;all of em
1298109;1444768713;ascii_field;hm.
1298110;1444768822;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: how about this - http://dpaste.com/1WR12ZX.txt
1298111;1444768823;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MplFGR )
1298112;1444768833;ascii_field;fire the weapon yourself.
1298113;1444768864;ascii_field;(goes without saying, don't run on a box where pgp is used for anything else. it will strain your rng to all hell)
1298114;1444769042;mike_c;you missed the 0x
1298115;1444769045;mike_c;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7&op=index
1298116;1444769046;assbot;Search results for '0x902e0a937e00f2f84d1b73703572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzTTMq )
1298117;1444769063;mike_c;all the spells must be recited with the proper intonation
1298118;1444769079;ascii_field;l0l
1298119;1444769350;ascii_field;https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x3572C40F85C5B2F7 << here we go
1298120;1444769351;assbot;Search results for '0x3572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzUkGB )
1298121;1444769360;ascii_field;fired with n=1000
1298122;1444769366;mircea_popescu;alright so now i what, import it ?
1298123;1444769372;ascii_field;just look at it.
1298124;1444769379;mircea_popescu;...
1298125;1444769384;mircea_popescu;what's that gonna do.
1298126;1444769390;ascii_field;bloat.
1298127;1444769401;mircea_popescu;i thought you were testing if the gpg crashes.
1298128;1444769408;ascii_field;it may or may not, but not for 1000 !
1298129;1444769411;mircea_popescu;i had no idea we actually need to verify it bloats.
1298130;1444769413;ascii_field;just testing basic principle
1298131;1444769417;mircea_popescu;alright.
1298132;1444769483;mircea_popescu;iirc it was agreed that once we have a proper server these will crash and burn because well.
1298133;1444769498;mike_c;yeah, that is pretty annoying though.  it's now a 200k public key..
1298134;1444769509;mike_c;*200kb
1298135;1444769538;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see media reports about the obama's preteen whore key.
1298136;1444769608;jurov;O exchanges gpgrams with whores?
1298137;1444769613;ascii_field;now mircea_popescu, find a fast machine with hardware rng and run n = 21474837. then, shoot it into pgp.mit.edu ...
1298138;1444769616;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1298139;1444769622;mircea_popescu;i read it in the atlantic so it must be true.
1298140;1444769634;ascii_field;prolly will need a few days of runtime.
1298141;1444769640;mircea_popescu;ascii_field *I* am to find machine with hardware rng ?
1298142;1444769641;mike_c;plus, some kinda DOS on any service that imports keys from a keyserver
1298143;1444769645;mircea_popescu;i thought YOU MANUFACTURED THESE
1298144;1444769650;ascii_field;aha
1298145;1444769666;ascii_field;but walrus!
1298146;1444769669;mike_c;bloat keys to high hell, make service download and choke on them.
1298147;1444769683;mircea_popescu;prolly smarter to do once we actually have one.
1298148;1444769690;mircea_popescu;that's correctly implemented.
1298149;1444769692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00048097 = 19.6236 BTC [+]
1298150;1444769758;ascii_field;it won't surprise me if this brings down sks as a thing.
1298151;1444769794;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: pick me pick me
1298152;1444769802;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: we already picked julia !
1298153;1444769803;ben_vulpes;i hafta nuke this keyset anyways.
1298154;1444769811;ascii_field;waiwat
1298155;1444769827;ben_vulpes;subkeys. i hear they're no good.
1298156;1444769920;*;mike_c ragequits
1298157;1444769932;mircea_popescu;why rage !?
1298158;1444769933;ben_vulpes;what'd i miss?
1298159;1444769952;*;ben_vulpes suspects mike_c thinks that i'm not thinking for myself
1298160;1444769972;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: you missed a quick demonstration of a factoid everyone already knew
1298161;1444769990;ascii_field;(that anyone can take an arbitrarily-massive shit into sks)
1298162;1444769994;ben_vulpes;that one can kill the sks?
1298163;1444770063;mircea_popescu;ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND
1298164;1444770091;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what's so odd about that ?
1298165;1444770093;mircea_popescu;by which i mean : he has a handheld powertool in one hand, and a four inch metal plate in the other hand, and he's cutting a shape out of it
1298166;1444770102;ben_vulpes;laugh if you will but i attempted this as a wee one
1298167;1444770110;mircea_popescu;what's odd about that is if i go "boo!" suddenly ima have to repaint two walls.
1298168;1444770112;ascii_field;oh oh
1298169;1444770120;punkman;if you wanna have more fun, make packet that triggers http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=11fdfcf82bd8d2b5bc38292a29876e10770f4b0a
1298170;1444770120;assbot;git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzWgiq )
1298171;1444770131;ben_vulpes;some kind soul took pity on me and gave me their acetylene torch
1298172;1444770143;ben_vulpes;thereby igniting a whole poorly advised career
1298173;1444770149;mircea_popescu;lmao
1298174;1444770150;ascii_field;punkman: lulzy, i recall this
1298175;1444770247;ben_vulpes;Recent changes to the Division Clinton neighborhood have come at the expense of long time residents. With each new change, residents raise their concerns, only to be ignored. Then when the undesirable outcome materializes, the city proposes yet another change that further damages our quality of life. It was evident, when traffic and development projects came to Division, that these would result in more congestion along Clinton. Yet
1298176;1444770248;ben_vulpes;those policies were pushed through. The biggest obstacle to safe biking on Clinton is the excess of parked cars. Will the new parking policies still under discussion help to address this? It seems like Clinton Street should be the number one priority for parking permits and removal of nonresident cars (including those coming from all the new multifamily development). This would be a better restriction than imposing more impediments on
1298177;1444770248;ben_vulpes;local long-time residents ability to move around our neighborhood–it has become difficult enough, already!
1298178;1444770275;ben_vulpes;ah it's hilarious
1298179;1444770305;ben_vulpes;the "get the state involved to fix the states own mistakes" thing needs a doing. again.
1298180;1444770316;mircea_popescu;i vote for this idea
1298181;1444770336;ben_vulpes;i vote for wine!
1298182;1444770340;mircea_popescu;what protected class is this "long time resident" thing anyway ?
1298183;1444770347;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares how long youy been there ?
1298184;1444770357;ascii_field;waiwut
1298185;1444770360;ascii_field;what even was this
1298186;1444770386;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1298187;1444770401;ben_vulpes;those long term residents actually can predict the problems statal intervention will result in.
1298188;1444770419;mircea_popescu;sounds like a good reason to hang them eh.
1298189;1444770437;ben_vulpes;just price 'em out, replace with dumber fucks
1298190;1444770454;mircea_popescu;any ustard that lives in the same place for more than five years is a failure anyway
1298191;1444770461;mircea_popescu;isnt the country supposed to be upwards mobile ?
1298192;1444770477;ascii_field;l0l that's in ru-vhs-usa
1298193;1444770485;ascii_field;not the one i live in
1298194;1444770496;mircea_popescu;ok, upwards alabama then
1298195;1444770546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00048187 = 27.6112 BTC [+] {4} 
1298196;1444770556;ben_vulpes;raaa
1298197;1444770571;ben_vulpes;RAAA
1298198;1444770577;mircea_popescu;...
1298199;1444770581;ascii_field;.?.
1298200;1444770601;mircea_popescu;i think maybe he got the joke.
1298201;1444770608;jurov;ben_vulpes' computer caught fire
1298202;1444770622;mircea_popescu;he cut it freehand with an electric toothbrush
1298203;1444770638;ascii_field;see, i assumed 'freehand' == hacksaw
1298204;1444770650;mircea_popescu;no, that's freetime
1298205;1444770655;ascii_field;but perhaps mircea_popescu witnessed the famous and respected hero, Angle Grinder Man
1298206;1444770669;mircea_popescu;i had not
1298207;1444770670;ascii_field;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3112670.stm
1298208;1444770670;assbot;BBC NEWS | UK | England | 'Superhero' takes on clampers ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJKAUS )
1298209;1444770695;ben_vulpes;i never understood why he used the extremely obvious and needing-of-power grinder instead of a torch
1298210;1444770700;ben_vulpes;probably because blighty
1298211;1444770707;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: torch is bulky
1298212;1444770717;ascii_field;you can get li battery powered grinders
1298213;1444770767;ascii_field;and grinder may be loud, but you aren't robbing bank at night
1298214;1444770778;ascii_field;you're sawing in the middle of the day, in a busy town
1298215;1444770800;jurov;and prolly he wasn't paying for the grinder plates
1298216;1444770869;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ok, upwards alabama then << That one is pronounced Mo-Bee-le
1298217;1444770933;ascii_field;next he will tell us it isn't 'kensaw'
1298218;1444770952;ascii_field;(or r-kansas...)
1298219;1444770973;BingoBoingo;lol
1298220;1444771888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00047883 = 9.8639 BTC [-]
1298221;1444771964;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo you've got 'qntsideration' mail
1298222;1444771970;pete_dushenski;cazalla too
1298223;1444772011;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I got it in que
1298224;1444772018;pete_dushenski;aha
1298225;1444772023;pete_dushenski;cheers
1298226;1444772133;deedbot-;[Qntra] AP: Hilary Clinton Horrible Sysadmin, Had RDP Open - http://qntra.net/2015/10/ap-hilary-clinton-horrible-sysadmin-had-rdp-open/
1298227;1444772139;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1298228;1444772141;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.26, Best ask: 250.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 250.18, 24 hour volume: 16433.21336409, 24 hour low: 244.0, 24 hour high: 253.43, 24 hour vwap: None
1298229;1444772243;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1298230;1444772256;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1298231;1444772265;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 249.78, vol: 26182.14431006 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.676, vol: 8878.11868 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 250.3, vol: 16433.21336409 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 259.5, vol: 8.33122595 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 254.266018, vol: 33893.64930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.0, vol: 106.98229745 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 251.47588861, vol: 47.97596527 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1298232;1444772267;BingoBoingo;;;more
1298233;1444772268;gribble;251.232195033
1298234;1444772325;deedbot-;[Qntra] Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery - http://qntra.net/2015/10/uber-provides-alibi-for-armed-robbery/
1298235;1444772782;BingoBoingo;Comment lol http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8164961&cid=50720551
1298236;1444772785;assbot;Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwKZU7 )
1298237;1444772842;ascii_field;'You have the fucking time to fuck shit up. That is what you are saying. Most normal people on nights and weekends fuck their significant others, go to parks with the kids and enjoy life. But you spend your nights and weekends writing dog shit that fucks up my weeks. We are paid to fix the damage you do.' << mega-winner
1298238;1444772848;ascii_field;worth reading whole thing.
1298239;1444772863;BingoBoingo;"
1298240;1444772863;BingoBoingo;Its too bad, in some way we, the normal people who do good things for ourselves and our customers and our employers, really have better job security with breaking fuckheads like you around. But I want to have our computers spend time you know curing cancer or designing a fusion reactor and doing useful shit rather than cleaning up after your dog shit"
1298241;1444772917;trinque;GNU/Faggot no warranties expressed or implied in your fucking shit software << ahahaha yes
1298242;1444772921;BingoBoingo;It's the rare actually interesting new comment on /. that isn't copypasta
1298243;1444772940;BingoBoingo;Just in case https://archive.is/25A6m
1298244;1444772942;assbot;Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jwLwpc )
1298245;1444772967;ascii_field;incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-02-2015#1034779
1298246;1444772967;assbot;Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:34; asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp
1298247;1444772981;ascii_field;FUCK this-replaces-x11-but-won't-pipe-over-tcp
1298248;1444773086;ascii_field;yes, i get it, they want winblowz, gui-in-the-kernel crapolade
1298249;1444773146;punkman;why should I want pipe x11 over tcp?
1298250;1444773156;BingoBoingo;I like the irony of new graphicx stax requires X11 to run on top of in this port
1298251;1444773161;ascii_field;punkman: you - no idea
1298252;1444773166;ascii_field;punkman: me - i insist on it.
1298253;1444773170;ascii_field;and WILL FUCKING INSIST
1298254;1444773188;ascii_field;because i run proggy on machines connected by networks, what a concept
1298255;1444773199;ascii_field;and want the graphics on local terminal
1298256;1444773215;ascii_field;and no, not a FUCKING REMOTE DESKTOP
1298257;1444773223;ascii_field;but for it to look THE SAME as if it were running local
1298258;1444773238;ascii_field;x11 gives me this.
1298259;1444773242;ascii_field;various 'shitlands' - no.
1298260;1444773243;punkman;but there are other tools that can pipe the graphics over tcp, no?
1298261;1444773246;ascii_field;no.
1298262;1444773255;ascii_field;not in a generally applicable to everything way.
1298263;1444773316;ascii_field;as it is, i can take x11 proggy and the result is ~indistinguishable~ from running it locally.
1298264;1444773324;mircea_popescu;da fuck is all this.
1298265;1444773333;ascii_field;glyphs, 'clipboard', viewport shape, the lot.
1298266;1444773345;mircea_popescu;who told random usg tard that he is qualified to "cure cancer" or even get out of bed at all when he can't even run a clean system ?
1298267;1444773355;mircea_popescu;what's this, worth through self-delusion ?
1298268;1444773383;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i haven't any idea who wrote the linked text. but clearly it is someone fed up with having to shovel the shit to create his local 'clean'.
1298269;1444773434;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1298270;1444773457;mircea_popescu;why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows.
1298271;1444773474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00047481 = 22.9333 BTC [-] {5} 
1298272;1444773484;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows. << Probably because Job
1298273;1444773490;mircea_popescu;bitcoind is frozen on 0.5.x ; gpg is frozen on 1.4.x ; eulora is frozen in cs dependencies on X Y Z. guess why ?
1298274;1444773493;ascii_field;because the alternative is sitting on a sharp broomstick ?
1298275;1444773506;mircea_popescu;no it's not.
1298276;1444773511;BingoBoingo;!up btcdrak
1298277;1444773520;ascii_field;poor wild man controls nothing. what's he to use ?
1298278;1444773522;ascii_field;from whom ?
1298279;1444773528;mircea_popescu;but yes the alternative is giving up the delusion that derp belongs to a civilisation he once saw through a window.
1298280;1444773532;mircea_popescu;FUCK THE POOR
1298281;1444773539;mircea_popescu;the poor have no fucking rights to pretend like they're people.
1298282;1444773544;mircea_popescu;you want to be people, don't be poor.
1298283;1444773556;ascii_field;easier said, than done.
1298284;1444773561;*;ascii_field still not people.
1298285;1444773561;shinohai;^
1298286;1444773585;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and do you go "shit honey, check out our place, there's like... not even any chocolate fountain here" ?
1298287;1444773593;mircea_popescu;"im unhappy and displeased"
1298288;1444773603;ascii_field;'nah that's a geysering shitpipe, not chocolate'
1298289;1444773610;mircea_popescu;because that's what i fucking read in there. "i'm poor and where's my chocolate fountain."
1298290;1444773623;mircea_popescu;he wants to CURE CANCER ?
1298291;1444773630;mircea_popescu;no cancer would even return his texts.
1298292;1444773649;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is general-purpose american shorthand for 'something productive and cpu-bound'
1298293;1444773658;mircea_popescu;no.
1298294;1444773665;mircea_popescu;it is ustard proxy for "i can do anything"
1298295;1444773667;mircea_popescu;no, you can't.
1298296;1444773672;ascii_field;'but my cpu can!'
1298297;1444773683;mircea_popescu;you can't do anything, ands you wouldn't know what to do on your own either. this is what being poor means
1298298;1444773683;ascii_field;poor schmuck prolly used to 'folding-at-home' etc.
1298299;1444773684;shinohai;Perhaps my time would be better spent complaining less, and learning how chocolate fountains work.
1298300;1444773687;mircea_popescu;not "not having money"
1298301;1444773695;mircea_popescu;being poor = too dumb to put your shoes on, by yourself.
1298302;1444773720;ascii_field;we have a more specific term, некультурный
1298303;1444773749;mircea_popescu;is the last line in that rant "i'm so sick of you losers i'm going to go find a master to sleep at the feet of" ?
1298304;1444773754;mircea_popescu;because if it isn't, fuck him.
1298305;1444773764;ascii_field;(has very little, if anything, to do with money. can be it while having a billion)
1298306;1444773822;mircea_popescu;"having"
1298307;1444773829;mircea_popescu;under a certain level, the money'[s actually smarter than you.
1298308;1444773836;ascii_field;aha.
1298309;1444774048;mircea_popescu;i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.
1298310;1444774101;mircea_popescu;fucking ustards. everything they touch turns to shit both ways. it's like... a bunch of monkeys that invaded a temple, and now not only is everything covered in shit but you gotta listen to arguments in between the set of monkeys that believes in throwing the shit at the walls and the set of monkeys that believes in gently unctioning it on.
1298311;1444774120;mircea_popescu;fucking hell you're all monkeys and you'd look so much better in quihabs i can't even describe it.
1298312;1444774123;mircea_popescu;the "males" especially.
1298313;1444774165;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1298314;1444774200;ascii_field;there is no temple.
1298315;1444774204;ascii_field;perhaps there was in 1995.
1298316;1444774215;ascii_field;today there is just a hut with walls made of straw & monkey shit.
1298317;1444774220;ascii_field;labeled 'temple.'
1298318;1444774223;mircea_popescu;don't give me that, i had computers that worked back when i was playing golden axe on them.
1298319;1444774229;ascii_field;aha, 1995 !
1298320;1444774255;*;ascii_field hums intro from 'goldenaxe'
1298321;1444774264;mircea_popescu;didja ever finish that ?
1298322;1444774278;ascii_field;sadly not.
1298323;1444774282;jurov;to think that ibm pc was universally reviled like today systemd
1298324;1444774294;ascii_field;jurov: i still revile it
1298325;1444774303;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it had a solo mode remember that ? like, not the proper campaign, just a sort of duel chain.
1298326;1444774308;ascii_field;yes!
1298327;1444774313;mircea_popescu;the LAST item was TWO gold knight guys
1298328;1444774319;mircea_popescu;once i managed to defeat them.
1298329;1444774322;mircea_popescu;and... the game hung.
1298330;1444774327;*;ascii_field takes off hat
1298331;1444774328;mircea_popescu;my first overflow
1298332;1444774335;mircea_popescu;which i shall never forget.
1298333;1444774342;mircea_popescu;how far did you get ? the two laughing fat dudes with hammers ?
1298334;1444774351;mircea_popescu;the two chicks on silver dragon/velociraptors ?
1298335;1444774388;ascii_field;definitely past the hammers
1298336;1444774399;mircea_popescu;ya those weren't terribly hard, kinda slow.
1298337;1444774404;mircea_popescu;the short guy right ? with the axe ?
1298338;1444774441;ascii_field;not hard. but my attention span was. and this was the time we finally got net access.
1298339;1444774503;ascii_field;in unrelated lulz,
1298340;1444774504;ascii_field;http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bugat-botnet-administrator-arrested-and-malware-disabled
1298341;1444774505;assbot;Bugat Botnet Administrator Arrested and Malware Disabled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1VQPH0I )
1298342;1444774511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13966 @ 0.00047387 = 6.6181 BTC [-]
1298343;1444774583;pete_dushenski;"Twitter has said it is cutting 336 jobs, roughly 8% of its global workforce, as part of a restructuring of the business. The job cuts will cost between $10m (£6.5m) and $20m in severance pay, while the restructuring will cost between $5m and $15m, the company said." << sex sells. except when it's a platform for sex.
1298344;1444774616;mircea_popescu;heh
1298345;1444774617;ascii_field;the real question is why did they need 4200 employees ?!
1298346;1444774645;ascii_field;what did they ~do~
1298347;1444774668;punkman;shoveling aforementioned shit
1298348;1444774709;punkman;and probably a bunch of them trying to sell ads
1298349;1444774716;ascii_field;;;calc 10000000/336.0
1298350;1444774716;gribble;29761.9047619
1298351;1444774723;ascii_field;mega-severance...
1298352;1444774724;mircea_popescu;mostly going to conferences, selling adds, trying to hire more derps in fucktarded locations
1298353;1444774735;mircea_popescu;think bitpay x 100 which is exactly what it was.
1298354;1444774738;mircea_popescu;and i do mean EXACTLY.
1298355;1444774753;mircea_popescu;it's not like a large rock is more complex than a smaller rock. they're rocks. exactly the same thing.
1298356;1444775075;*;ascii_field bbl
1298357;1444775079;mircea_popescu;30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know)
1298358;1444775304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87600 @ 0.00047422 = 41.5417 BTC [+] {4} 
1298359;1444777438;pete_dushenski;"[Volkswagen] investments are to be reduced by some one billion euros per year, the efficiency program is to be accelerated." << never waste a good crisis. adios unionistas.
1298360;1444777558;mircea_popescu;heh
1298361;1444777927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17445 @ 0.000478 = 8.3387 BTC [+]
1298362;1444778083;mircea_popescu;http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/ <<< if any gnuplot experts in audience would kindly improve on the script tyvm in advance.
1298363;1444778171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.000478 = 3.107 BTC [+]
1298364;1444778703;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/D9FstTR.jpg
1298365;1444778703;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1La1KxW )
1298366;1444778781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.000478 = 6.214 BTC [+]
1298367;1444778977;mircea_popescu;lol\
1298368;1444779269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17225 @ 0.000478 = 8.2336 BTC [+]
1298369;1444779693;pete_dushenski;"One London-based startup, called Everledger, is developing blockchain tools for the diamond industry, designed to log information on ethical sourcing, insurance claims, and theft investigations, associated with detailed digital descriptions of the valuable stones. CEO Leanne Kemp: "You would be able to identify whether those diamonds are truly certified or not certified," " << so like deedbot but less useful so
1298370;1444779693;pete_dushenski; set to be buried by useless piles of vc crud. good riddance.
1298371;1444779726;pete_dushenski;!up gabriel_laddel
1298372;1444779733;gabriel_laddel;ty.
1298373;1444779775;pete_dushenski;"As far as Overstock, which has said it plans to offer blockchain-recorded securities to a wider audience, Byrne says the company’s had productive talks with the agency so far. "I think," he says, "that they’re gonna let the crypto-revolution occur." " << oh pleeeease let it occur. with sugar on top.
1298374;1444779777;mircea_popescu;who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ?
1298375;1444779796;mircea_popescu;and who the fuck told these that a "blockchain technologee" works when a centrally controlled group like that is the only thing interested ?
1298376;1444779841;pete_dushenski;buzzword+feelings(+ponzi)=profit
1298377;1444779850;mircea_popescu;let me guess, if tomorrow the USG Comissar uh i mean Czar In Charge Of What This Particular Set Of Idle Fucktards Thinks says that the blockchain impedes great justice and should be edited so and so to promote "fairness" they'll... oppose ? resist ?
1298378;1444779855;mircea_popescu;out of what, their rotten ovaries ?
1298379;1444779894;pete_dushenski;it sorta lulzy how the usg actually has 'czar of xyz'
1298380;1444779894;mircea_popescu;"it's a blockchain in excel on Sarah's computer"
1298381;1444779895;mircea_popescu;go home.
1298382;1444779914;pete_dushenski;as if this somehow made them more transparent and accountable
1298383;1444779916;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it was intended as "ironic" usage, originally.
1298384;1444779931;mircea_popescu;like all attempts at humor by the mentally stunted libertard class, it backfired something fierce.
1298385;1444779946;pete_dushenski;shark was jump'ed
1298386;1444779967;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane?
1298387;1444779987;pete_dushenski;jumpèd << more shakespearian still
1298388;1444780012;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1298389;1444780013;gribble;419034669.746
1298390;1444780672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7381 @ 0.000478 = 3.5281 BTC [+]
1298391;1444780865;BingoBoingo;In other news, apparently reddit has had its own drug market for some time https://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk
1298392;1444780865;assbot;reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKcgJs )
1298393;1444781425;mircea_popescu;steroids are still legal otc right ?
1298394;1444781428;mircea_popescu;or notrly
1298395;1444781520;BingoBoingo;In USia schedule III controlled, but because hippies dun like them rarely prosecuted outside of sports
1298396;1444781542;BingoBoingo;Also Maybe VW really was evil: "If you're concerned about such estrogens, you may want to maintain a safe distance from trucks on the highway. That's because of research findings that diesel-fuel exhaust contains chemicals called alkylphenols, which interact with cellular estrogen receptors to exert potent estrogenic activity.3 Diesel exhaust particles have previously been linked to lung cancer, allergic rhinitis and asthma."
1298397;1444781591;mircea_popescu;aha
1298398;1444781604;BingoBoingo;Basically one of those US laws that helps Mexico's economy at the expense of its own
1298399;1444781616;mircea_popescu;i thought pharma was mostly india
1298400;1444781627;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo wrapped in nafta shell, usually
1298401;1444781639;BingoBoingo;Pharma mostly is, bu someone's gotta get the money at retail
1298402;1444781665;mircea_popescu;tru
1298403;1444781729;BingoBoingo;Steroids are the one US controlled class of drugs safer to get off of derpy website than derpy darknet market in the popular opinion
1298404;1444781775;pete_dushenski;and yes, diesel exhaust fumes are gnarly. long reported to diminish quality of urban air quality. but reports were dismissed as not being 'politically correct' so not really that true. like led lightbulbs.
1298405;1444781799;pete_dushenski;-1 quality
1298406;1444781822;pete_dushenski;so is vw evil for finding a loophole ?
1298407;1444781843;pete_dushenski;are bankers and their dark derivative pools evil for doing the same ?
1298408;1444781853;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No, VW is evil for pumping estrogenic chemicals in the air and cultivating SJWhales
1298409;1444781856;mircea_popescu;yes, not doing what fucktard club expects you to do = individuality = evil.
1298410;1444781903;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo which they couldn't have done if 'carbon' wasn't the only thing idjits cared about
1298411;1444781913;pete_dushenski;'co2/km' to be more accurate
1298412;1444781916;mircea_popescu;i still don't even know wtf they mean by "carbon"
1298413;1444781927;mircea_popescu;is it actually carbon dioxide and they just dunno what side their ass is buttered on ?
1298414;1444781943;pete_dushenski;it's this metric and this alone that allowed diesels into the 21st century. outside of farms.
1298415;1444781947;BingoBoingo;Diesel's kinda always been one of those things that's cool when you have it and sucks when other people do
1298416;1444781961;punkman;mircea_popescu: co2 yes
1298417;1444781970;mircea_popescu;but how do you know this punkman ?
1298418;1444781985;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo not THAT cool to have, is it ?
1298419;1444781990;mircea_popescu;i mean, not disputing for a second it seems like a reasonable interpretation of their verbiage. the problem is that it's the verbiage of patently insae folk.
1298420;1444781999;mircea_popescu;for all you know they mean nitric acid.
1298421;1444782008;pete_dushenski;or methane
1298422;1444782030;mircea_popescu;maybe they mean "any gas with specific gravity over 28"
1298423;1444782032;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Sure it is. Diesel 1977 Hilux with half the body rusted off > Aluminum gasoline F-150 King Ranch
1298424;1444782050;pete_dushenski;what're you, isis ?
1298425;1444782080;mircea_popescu;no srsly, all cars i owed back when i owed any were pretty much diesel.
1298426;1444782089;punkman;mircea_popescu: well sure, the derps might not know what "carbon" actually refers to
1298427;1444782091;mircea_popescu;90s is what made the diesel possible. meanwhile oil refineries kicked it out
1298428;1444782115;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Fine, Diesel Chevy Kodiak dressed like a car is cooler than gasoline truck, even when diesel truck dressed liek a car carries Obola
1298429;1444782145;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo the presidental gmc. aha.
1298430;1444782163;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu how did refineries kick out diesel ?
1298431;1444782169;pete_dushenski;or why ?
1298432;1444782177;mircea_popescu;you understand what diesel runs of right ?
1298433;1444782180;mircea_popescu;off*
1298434;1444782200;pete_dushenski;hm. not really.
1298435;1444782217;mircea_popescu;yeah. ok. all fuel is produced through fractional distillation of oil.
1298436;1444782230;pete_dushenski;ah this, yes.
1298437;1444782237;mircea_popescu;this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices.
1298438;1444782273;mircea_popescu;specific technological considerations i am not prepared to discuss in detail made so there was a huge and apparently stable glut of diesel fuel on the market.
1298439;1444782281;mircea_popescu;this lasted for almost 3 decades, peaking in the 90s.
1298440;1444782295;mircea_popescu;it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently
1298441;1444782303;pete_dushenski;diesel is one of the heavier layers iirc
1298442;1444782305;mircea_popescu;(basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea)\
1298443;1444782315;mircea_popescu;well, heavier than gas yes.
1298444;1444782340;mircea_popescu;so really, it's a case of derps follow technology while pretending to lend it.
1298445;1444782350;mircea_popescu;if the glut continued, it'd be "fuck you and sniff diesel".
1298446;1444782364;mircea_popescu;once the thing resolved they can hate diesel or beg for it, it's done.
1298447;1444782377;mircea_popescu;pretending to lead it*
1298448;1444782397;mircea_popescu;for that matter, retarded buffalo survival hunters imagined trhey're "directing" the herds.
1298449;1444782406;mircea_popescu;and dune is chock full of "worm riding". because yeah, totally.
1298450;1444782415;mircea_popescu;brb i gotta pilot planet earth a little.
1298451;1444782585;pete_dushenski;then vw's (and several other, mostly german, automakers') pivot to electric propulsion seems like a way to absorb the laptop battery capacity that's in excess from kids buying smartphones and only smartphones.
1298452;1444782615;punkman;that's a bit of a stretch
1298453;1444782617;pete_dushenski;maybe that's a stretch given that i'm unsure how many laptops + spare batteries were sold 'at peak' vs. now
1298454;1444782623;*;pete_dushenski goes to check data
1298455;1444782626;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea)\ << You break it into smaller gasoline hydrocarbons with heat and pressure
1298456;1444782647;mircea_popescu;right.
1298457;1444782673;BingoBoingo;Still fractions the same way, but diesel and even tar fractions get cooked into gasoline
1298458;1444782683;mircea_popescu;it's totally not a case of "if you're willing to put 15% ethanol in there anyway, like fucking hruschov wanted, fuck you and shut up, we'll paint it blue and you can pretend it's fine"
1298459;1444782704;BingoBoingo;Agricultural diesel here is dyed pink
1298460;1444782781;BingoBoingo;Long haul trucks here often get pulled over by the "Secretary of State (of Illinois)" police to check for the dye.
1298461;1444782808;mircea_popescu;aha. i just meant, whatever, stick a label on it call it good.
1298462;1444782839;BingoBoingo;lol, Nah. Real bueracracy is way ahead of you
1298463;1444782850;mircea_popescu;lol. i'm an amateur huh ?
1298464;1444782874;BingoBoingo;You think you know how bad USia is...
1298465;1444782951;punkman;BingoBoingo: what other diesel colors do you have?
1298466;1444783000;BingoBoingo;Well, there's the standard clear to yellow-ish. Some tanks produce a bit a blue-green tinge because infected...
1298467;1444783145;BingoBoingo;The pink dye though is because it is exempt from the highway fund taxes
1298468;1444783156;BingoBoingo;ANd the new low sulfur requirement
1298469;1444783254;punkman;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8389523.stm "was capable of laundering 6.5m litres of fuel a year."
1298470;1444783255;assbot;BBC News - Illegal fuel plant largest in NI ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMAskG )
1298471;1444783268;punkman;(removing dyes)
1298472;1444783453;asciilifeform;;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298386 << more specifically ?
1298473;1444783453;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 23:46:07; gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane?
1298474;1444783454;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1298475;1444783567;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298374 << nitwits who think that their resellable-for-penny-to-the-dollar debeers crud could somehow become valuable if given a spray of provenance perfume
1298476;1444783567;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 23:42:57; mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ?
1298477;1444783584;asciilifeform;(how? what's to keep anyone from washing it? ask them - not me.)
1298478;1444783653;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1298357 << so what ? it's still a bigger pile of benjies than i ever saw or expect to see on one table personally..
1298479;1444783653;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 22:24:39; mircea_popescu: 30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know)
1298480;1444783703;mircea_popescu;so go into drugs, you'll get so fucking tired of shoveling the crap...
1298481;1444783703;asciilifeform;and, it being a bonus vs salary, it's straight 'turkey-buying' money.
1298482;1444783718;mircea_popescu;it's not a bonus in any sense. it's unemployment.
1298483;1444783718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could just as 'easily' go into mars exploration.
1298484;1444783842;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298399 << not in usa. mega-protectionist thing here.
1298485;1444783842;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 00:13:36; mircea_popescu: i thought pharma was mostly india
1298486;1444783851;asciilifeform;it is smuggled in, yes
1298487;1444783950;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298440 << 'cracking'
1298488;1444783950;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 00:24:55; mircea_popescu: it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently
1298489;1444783962;asciilifeform;catalytic cleavage of heavier hydrocarbon into lighter.
1298490;1444784917;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, 'severance' typically means a lump sum of usd. 'unemployment' is something quite else (financed partly by a tax on the employer, partly by state, it is a meagre pension that one draws for precisely so long as one remains Officially unemployed.)
1298491;1444784954;asciilifeform;and ~only~ if one had been Officially registered as a full-time salaryman
1298492;1444784978;asciilifeform;(i and just about everyone i know in meatspace is a 'contractor' and never sees such a thing)
1298493;1444785147;BingoBoingo;Officially unemployed too comes with an expiration date
1298494;1444785979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37153 @ 0.00047785 = 17.7536 BTC [-] {3} 
1298495;1444786040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8447 @ 0.00047521 = 4.0141 BTC [-]
1298496;1444787748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35218 @ 0.00047453 = 16.712 BTC [-] {3} 
1298497;1444788360;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> steroids are still legal otc right ? << Reason why not in the US is starting to look more like no because, lol feminism
1298498;1444789081;BingoBoingo;Apparently male birth control has been a thing longer than women's birth control, but the gubmint has just been depriving people of it
1298499;1444790629;BingoBoingo;!up liquidassets
1298500;1444792356;BingoBoingo;Butchery https://imgur.com/a/HkSxc
1298501;1444792357;assbot;Pinball LED vs Incandescent - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKA67O )
1298502;1444792822;BingoBoingo;Also, not quite news, but someone is finally trying decentralized mixer that's been planned since late 2012 at the latest http://bitcoin-p2pool.com/joinmarket_orderbook.html
1298503;1444792824;assbot;JoinMarket Orderbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKAYt6 )
1298504;1444792910;BingoBoingo;Also Binge eating disorder passes anorexia, schizophrenia, and epilepsy in direct mortality https://occupycorporatism.com/shocking-50-of-bariatric-surgery-patients-commit-suicide/
1298505;1444792913;assbot;Shocking: 50% of Bariatric Surgery Patients Commit Suicide - Top US & World News | Susanne PoselTop US & World News | Susanne Posel ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBabL )
1298506;1444795147;mircea_popescu;lol
1298507;1444795150;mircea_popescu;male bc huh.
1298508;1444795588;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones
1298509;1444795859;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1
1298510;1444795879;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: No qntra submissions yet?
1298511;1444795922;Duffer1;hola
1298512;1444795970;Duffer1;there's a conspiracy afoot
1298513;1444795983;Duffer1;nah i don't know what to write about
1298514;1444796021;Duffer1;my iguanas are doing great, but it turns out they're both male so i'll have to re home one :(
1298515;1444796043;BingoBoingo;Nah, make them gay.
1298516;1444796054;BingoBoingo;It's what all the good schools do nao
1298517;1444796068;Duffer1;might work if there were a lot more of them, but with just two they'll kill eachother
1298518;1444796133;BingoBoingo;Or love each other... Gotta turn em gay.
1298519;1444796153;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently the gold standard for male birth control nao is called Trenbolone
1298520;1444796167;Duffer1;is that the nut glue?
1298521;1444796199;BingoBoingo;Define "nut glue"
1298522;1444796228;mircea_popescu;y no bone ?
1298523;1444796259;Duffer1;the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed
1298524;1444796264;Duffer1;= nut glue
1298525;1444796274;BingoBoingo;<Duffer1> the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed << Defo not that
1298526;1444796291;Duffer1;ah
1298527;1444796295;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> y no bone ? << Apparently boners are a major side effect
1298528;1444796338;BingoBoingo;Just, why was this nevar discussed in pharmacy school even though all of its neighbors were
1298529;1444796377;mircea_popescu;hm
1298530;1444796514;Duffer1;anyone watch the first dem debate?
1298531;1444796543;BingoBoingo;Nah, I value my sanity.
1298532;1444796543;Duffer1;i skipped it but heard clinton vs webb went a lot like http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/P/PP/fark_PPd3uabFbb1Xq5lWHJeGsfO83es.gif?t=Ea84tJtZHJo0Br2TmyoVvg&f=1445227200
1298533;1444796549;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4olx3 )
1298534;1444796574;BingoBoingo;But Webb is a much better sysadmin than Clitler
1298535;1444796642;Duffer1;ha that's not a high bar :P
1298536;1444796769;Duffer1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gXhwv9_ZS0
1298537;1444796770;assbot;Esbjorn Svensson Trio - Jazzwoche Burghausen Live (2004) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4oxMJ )
1298538;1444796793;BingoBoingo;But she went to an "elite" school and married a future president!!!!!
1298539;1444796793;Duffer1;^ what I'm currently chilling to vex
1298540;1444797401;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.
1298541;1444797434;BingoBoingo;Men had hormonal birth control first and the 1960's were a lie
1298542;1444797551;*;BingoBoingo now wonders if all the real roid freaks jsut get neuticals and do their hormones IM
1298543;1444797827;BingoBoingo;!up Duffer1
1298544;1444797979;Duffer1;glad i remember how to do that
1298545;1444798012;BingoBoingo;Well, You are initiated aren't you?
1298546;1444798059;Duffer1;possibly?
1298547;1444798060;BingoBoingo;Even if you lost money you will be remembered for that gut wrenching and emotionally moving takedown of Labcoin.
1298548;1444798079;Duffer1;ah ya baptism by fire
1298549;1444798098;Duffer1;do not recommend
1298550;1444798149;BingoBoingo;This is like I'd like you to with you experience spot and write up some shit for qntra. You have the history to carry it
1298551;1444798295;Duffer1;alright, if i can think of an angle i'll submit something
1298552;1444798429;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Cool, keep a look out. Gotta make those losses up somewhere.
1298553;1444798991;Duffer1;ah ya man that would be nice  hehe
1298554;1444799159;BingoBoingo;May take a while, but do you really want anyone trying to outdo your baptism by fire narrative?
1298555;1444799298;Duffer1;i'd be impressed if they could find a way, who wants to read the story of the games losers?
1298556;1444799379;BingoBoingo;Who doesn't, far more to be learned than from the winners?
1298557;1444799387;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3086 << On Impotence
1298558;1444799388;assbot;JL: ‘Thug Season’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7XfjA )
1298559;1444799411;Duffer1;i dunno maybe you're right
1298560;1444799569;Duffer1;vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KXq6RJ0PA
1298561;1444799570;assbot;Esbjörn Svensson Trio (Seven Days Of Falling/Elevation of Love) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7XACE )
1298562;1444799942;BingoBoingo;Also the entire Lafond life plan just shifted http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3087
1298563;1444799943;assbot;JL: On the Downside ... ( http://bit.ly/1PflSm1 )
1298564;1444800273;Duffer1;interesting read
1298565;1444800456;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Try his older shit. Up until a couple weeks ago he wrote as though he were some sort of white ape from the Congo. This is a precipitous decline
1298566;1444800558;Duffer1;does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."
1298567;1444800619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00047342 = 11.7171 BTC [-] {3} 
1298568;1444800763;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: He has a long chronicle of past injuries. This sudden decline is new though and he ofers no new injury. I may be a combination of age and the past injuries.
1298569;1444800781;Duffer1;ah
1298570;1444800895;BingoBoingo;There are pieces he has where he chronicals getting hit in the nuts more than any person should.
1298571;1444802255;BingoBoingo;Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death https://archive.is/wvcwZ
1298572;1444802257;assbot;EAT SHIT, LEITCH! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG2BKv )
1298573;1444802649;BingoBoingo;Also, qntra has been at 800 posts for a few hours nao
1298574;1444802671;BingoBoingo;800 posts, 1051 non-spam comments
1298575;1444803303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34271 @ 0.00047338 = 16.2232 BTC [-] {3} 
1298576;1444803591;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
1298577;1444803595;BingoBoingo;!up tripleslash
1298578;1444804224;HeySteve;hey BingoBoingo
1298579;1444804239;BingoBoingo;hey
1298580;1444806630;BingoBoingo;tard mode http://wptavern.com/jetpack-protect-blocks-brute-force-amplification-attacks
1298581;1444806640;assbot;Jetpack Protect Blocks Brute Force Amplification Attacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1LjWXrq )
1298582;1444809342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00047935 = 1.2942 BTC [+]
1298583;1444809586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00047298 = 16.7908 BTC [-] {2} 
1298584;1444810440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25756 @ 0.0004798 = 12.3577 BTC [+] {3} 
1298585;1444811378;wyrdmantis;hello asseters
1298586;1444811450;wyrdmantis;to do gentoo correctly am i right with this: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib/ ?
1298587;1444811451;assbot;Index of /ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4Iral )
1298588;1444811904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31744 @ 0.0004813 = 15.2784 BTC [+]
1298589;1444812581;punkman;http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-videogames-are-saving-the-symphony-orchestra-1444696737
1298590;1444812582;assbot;How Videogames Are Saving the Symphony Orchestra - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4Kr2o )
1298591;1444813246;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5877 @ 0.00047353 = 2.7829 BTC [-]
1298592;1444818146;jurov;wyrdmantis hw do you mean correctly? if you want hardened gentoo, this one is right
1298593;1444818437;punkman;http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-October/086429.html
1298594;1444818438;assbot;[erlang-questions] Mnesia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRAHQc )
1298595;1444819552;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297678 <--  your death is right over your left shoulder, waiting to tap you
1298596;1444819552;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 14:16:05; thestringpuller: for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz?
1298597;1444819569;funkenstein_;if you understand this you'll see there's no time to be anxious
1298598;1444819707;funkenstein_;re: diesel thread, at one point i drove a friends retro-fitted diesel.  retrofit consisted of an extra tank and a switch to select fuel line
1298599;1444819723;funkenstein_;this enables one to get free fuel behind any chinese restaurant
1298600;1444819774;funkenstein_;diesel engine runs on almost anything
1298601;1444820035;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-10-2015#1295232 <--  this one needs repeating.
1298602;1444820035;assbot;Logged on 09-10-2015 01:49:22; mircea_popescu: the notion that people may read "newpspaers" made by people they don't know.
1298603;1444820331;funkenstein_;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/11/one_of_these_things_is_a_straw.html <-- thanks for that one.
1298604;1444820332;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: One Of These Things Is A Straw Man, And The Other Is On Fire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLv7Uk )
1298605;1444820435;funkenstein_;a good old lecture on the topic is "Dead doctors don't lie" - joel wallach
1298606;1444821639;funkenstein_;http://imgur.com/eEkkvSn  from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296319
1298607;1444821640;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLycUp )
1298608;1444821640;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 00:37:45; asciilifeform: http://www.demotix.com/news/5506846/police-destroys-37-tons-seized-drugs-chacarita-cemetery << oldie, re: the mega-graveyard
1298609;1444821651;funkenstein_;pressed shitboard
1298610;1444821672;funkenstein_;more news from people I don't know
1298611;1444821915;funkenstein_;i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly
1298612;1444823921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6521 @ 0.00047517 = 3.0986 BTC [+]
1298613;1444824226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13753 @ 0.00047341 = 6.5108 BTC [-]
1298614;1444824820;punkman;"French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
1298615;1444825201;punkman;I was wondering what a digital economy minister does and ended up here http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/13/digital-minister-wants-to-break-some-cliches-about-the-french-startup-scene-interview/
1298616;1444825203;assbot;Digital minister wants to 'break some clichés' about the French startup scene (interview) | VentureBeat | Entrepreneur | by Chris O'Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1MziYqD )
1298617;1444825601;fluffypony;https://i.imgur.com/cx6pk88.jpg
1298618;1444825602;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkf2FU )
1298619;1444826322;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ9JlNeVEAAeeR_.png:large
1298620;1444826323;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkfFPT )
1298621;1444826966;punkman;http://boingboing.net/2015/10/13/this-tropical-mushroom-gives-w.html
1298622;1444826967;assbot;This tropical mushroom gives women spontaneous orgasms from sniffing it / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzoA4d )
1298623;1444827183;davout;punkman: a lot of people wonder what she does :D
1298624;1444828314;nubbins`;http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/newfoundlanders-are-trolling-the-fuck-out-of-harper-with-this-barbaric-cultural-practice
1298625;1444828315;assbot;Newfoundlanders are Trolling the Fuck Out of Harper With This ‘Barbaric Cultural Practice’  | VICE | Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzsBWt )
1298626;1444828347;nubbins`;^ in which a single photograph and a facebook event allowed nubs to spread his views on civil liberties from one coast of this fine country to the other two
1298627;1444828985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97950 @ 0.00048121 = 47.1345 BTC [+] {7} 
1298628;1444829012;davout;nubbins`: nice!
1298629;1444829420;nubbins`;davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one
1298630;1444829438;nubbins`;only media outlet that actually bothered to publish my thoughts beyond the superficial ones
1298631;1444829467;nubbins`;this election is seriously the most fun i've had since i don't know when
1298632;1444829540;davout;"Sucks, but I don't want to sterilize perfectly good satire just so people don't have to worry or think." <<< the world would be a much better place if this stance was more common
1298633;1444829608;nubbins`;i could kiss drew brown for including that paragraph verbatim
1298634;1444831251;jurov;!up gabrielradio
1298635;1444831375;gabrielradio;thanks jurov
1298636;1444831471;TheNewDeal;g'day
1298637;1444831477;TheNewDeal;or gdevening
1298638;1444831486;gabrielradio;If you're a native Romanian speaker with a very good grasp of English, I am interested to work out an arrangement for your translation of my older Romanian articles. Don't hesitate to make contact for this purpose. << mircea_popescu , is this still of interest to you?
1298639;1444831526;TheNewDeal;Just wanted to say that I am revoking my license as of today. I was a little sloppy with my key. I'll be back later
1298640;1444831654;TheNewDeal;;;nethash
1298641;1444831654;gribble;438458414.672
1298642;1444831659;TheNewDeal;;;bc,stats
1298643;1444831663;gribble;Current Blocks: 378863 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 144 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1298644;1444831675;TheNewDeal;;;nexthalf
1298645;1444831675;gribble;Error: "nexthalf" is not a valid command.
1298646;1444831730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22086 @ 0.00048286 = 10.6644 BTC [+] {3} 
1298647;1444831732;TheNewDeal;;;nextblockreward
1298648;1444831732;gribble;Error: "nextblockreward" is not a valid command.
1298649;1444831951;TheNewDeal;I'll be back
1298650;1444831968;TheNewDeal;!down TheNewDeal
1298651;1444832122;jurov;diana_coman: ^ see gabrielradio
1298652;1444832155;jurov;i doubt very much mircea_popescu will translate someone else's articles
1298653;1444832231;diana_coman;jurov, I think gabrielradio means that he is interested in doing the translation
1298654;1444832242;jurov;lolk
1298655;1444832264;diana_coman;I must admit that I kind of hate doing translation work as I find it horribly time consuming
1298656;1444832291;davout;diana_coman: that's a problem with work in general
1298657;1444832344;diana_coman;he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another
1298658;1444832405;diana_coman;alternatively it might simply be that I just hate translating - I'd much rather rewrite the thing in my own words as an exercise in understanding it
1298659;1444832466;diana_coman;fwiw I have been following Trilema from pretty much its beginning so I'm quite familiar with most of it (not that I wouldn't benefit from re-reading a lot of it) and I think there are many articles that would be worth translating
1298660;1444832933;shinohai;;;ticker
1298661;1444832935;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.94, Best ask: 251.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 251.94, 24 hour volume: 9017.66443652, 24 hour low: 249.9, 24 hour high: 252.5, 24 hour vwap: None
1298662;1444835089;VariaVarietatis;asciilifeform: know where I can find more like this in english? http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/153079.html
1298663;1444836108;jurov;!up disident
1298664;1444836195;asciilifeform;VariaVarietatis: probably nowhere
1298665;1444836334;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298566 << fella may have taken one too many hits in the head - from his logic, it seems that he ought to be carrying a frag, rather than a knife...
1298666;1444836334;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 05:29:18; Duffer1: does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."
1298667;1444836432;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298589 << we have this here. i even attended one performance, had no idea what it was, the playbill stated 'music from games', i recognized ~not one~ - because i never had 'console'
1298668;1444836432;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 08:49:41; punkman: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-videogames-are-saving-the-symphony-orchestra-1444696737
1298669;1444836486;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298593 << mega-essay, recommended to everyone who is interested in salvaging what little of worth remains in this whole 'computing' thing
1298670;1444836486;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 10:27:17; punkman: http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-October/086429.html
1298671;1444836556;*;asciilifeform experimented with erlang at great length, on multiple occasions, but cannot bring himself to use it for anything on the battlefield because 1 ) ONE IMPLEMENTATION and 2) IT DOES NOT FIT IN HEAD
1298672;1444836577;asciilifeform;other than this, it is, imho, very spiffy
1298673;1444836607;asciilifeform;and, iirc, to this day runs the swedish national telephone grid.
1298674;1444836661;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298611 << 'general population' will believe just about anything
1298675;1444836661;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 11:25:15; funkenstein_: i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly
1298676;1444836749;punkman;one case it doesn't mention is that clueless client demands to use AWS and mongodb and hadoop, because "I heard these were popular and next week when I am a big multinational I'll need to hire 10k developers and they'll only know how to use those"
1298677;1444836777;asciilifeform;punkman: precisely the disease that gave us microshit
1298678;1444836795;asciilifeform;and why the entire 'industry' needs a good thermonuking
1298679;1444836869;asciilifeform;the whole thing, to the degree it shows any evidence of design at all, is optimized for vermin at every level.
1298680;1444836956;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298586 << at this point, i hesitate to recommend gentoo to a n00b. the problem is that there is not actually an alternative to gentoo.
1298681;1444836956;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 08:30:50; wyrdmantis: to do gentoo correctly am i right with this: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib/ ?
1298682;1444836964;asciilifeform;learn it the way you would learn sapping
1298683;1444836973;asciilifeform;i.e. from someone who already knows, in person.
1298684;1444837029;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298580 << i dun get it. why there has to be a 'pack' of whatever sort, why not simply nuke the idiot xml rpc thing once and for all ?
1298685;1444837029;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 07:10:30; BingoBoingo: tard mode http://wptavern.com/jetpack-protect-blocks-brute-force-amplification-attacks
1298686;1444837072;VariaVarietatis;recent comments
1298687;1444837209;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298508 << folks who want to join the endocrine freakshow know where to go...
1298688;1444837209;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 04:06:28; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones
1298689;1444837246;asciilifeform;it isn't hard. ask in your local gym. the down sides are well documented.
1298690;1444837297;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298540 << could go straight for the castration and skip the organ damage...
1298691;1444837297;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 04:36:41; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.
1298692;1444837343;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298571 << who is this and why would anyone care..?
1298693;1444837343;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 05:57:35; BingoBoingo: Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death https://archive.is/wvcwZ
1298694;1444837387;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298614 << how come we learn of this not from davout ?
1298695;1444837387;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
1298696;1444837774;punkman;old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4
1298697;1444837778;assbot;30475 – assert(int+100 > int) optimized away ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtiK5t )
1298698;1444838720;davout;asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?
1298699;1444838751;davout;or "opining on"? (folks who actually speak english are more than welcome to correct me!)
1298700;1444839171;punkman;not rly, I was just wondering about the prize
1298701;1444839248;davout;yeah, the whole thing materializes a government grant
1298702;1444839264;davout;plus a small paper diploma :D
1298703;1444839424;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio yes
1298704;1444839431;davout;http://www.wired.com/2015/10/hedge-fund-borrows-10m-in-stock-via-the-bitcoin-blockchain/ <<< god knows what happens when some of these colored coins get haxxored
1298705;1444839432;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtlKhY )
1298706;1444839717;mircea_popescu;lol. supoena!!1
1298707;1444839733;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is a "hedge fund" issuing stock and who the fuck heard of a 10 mn "hedge fund"
1298708;1444839753;mircea_popescu;are these people off their rocker ? you can't name yourself a hedge fund with under 1 bn just like you can't call a thing a car if it's under 1 meter long.
1298709;1444839777;mircea_popescu;"this 10 milimetre long car got great fuel economy and runs on someone's halitosis".
1298710;1444839780;mircea_popescu;well done!
1298711;1444839801;asciilifeform;model car.
1298712;1444839811;asciilifeform;(toy hedgefund?!)
1298713;1444839906;mircea_popescu;!up
1298714;1444839916;mircea_popescu;i never saw a 3mm car.
1298715;1444839927;mircea_popescu;make it say 3 cm, it could maybe be a model car.
1298716;1444839938;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-10-2015#1298309
1298717;1444839938;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4
1298718;1444839938;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.
1298719;1444839956;asciilifeform;shitgnome wreckers on one hand, 'but my legacy crud broke!!1111111' on the other
1298720;1444839965;asciilifeform;a pox on both houses.
1298721;1444839966;mircea_popescu;it's not even that. it's jwz.
1298722;1444839982;mircea_popescu;WHAE THINGS DUN JUS WORK I WAS BORN OF WHYTE CUNT IN AMUYRKA
1298723;1444839995;mircea_popescu;I AM TOO GOOD TO KNOW HOW TO FLYUSH TOELat
1298724;1444840017;asciilifeform;'we are living in ameeeeerika, ameeerika, ameeerika, ... coca cola! sometimes war!' (tm) (r)
1298725;1444840086;mircea_popescu;it's like "radical left" arguing with obama voters. "WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM PROPUDCERIST DARAPIGM!!1" "WHERE IS MY MORE FOOTSTAMPS!!!1"
1298726;1444840120;mircea_popescu;!up gabrielradio
1298727;1444840158;gabrielradio;i had a go at one of the articles http://pastebin.com/XH5hBW13
1298728;1444840159;assbot;Christian Europe and other absurdities - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtmZhj )
1298729;1444840168;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1298730;1444840210;mircea_popescu;aberrations is a word. absurdities != aberations.
1298731;1444840216;mircea_popescu;"One of the most ridiculous nonsense passed with pious self-importance by the neophytes and likewise unwarranted people"
1298732;1444840241;mircea_popescu;this is broken in at least two places. one of the most x nonsense is bad grammar. the X and otherwyse Y z's is bad style
1298733;1444840252;mircea_popescu;your ennumerations must be balanced, either ennumerate nouns or adjectives.
1298734;1444840256;asciilifeform;it still beats the shit out of 'google trans'
1298735;1444840276;mircea_popescu;it does.
1298736;1444840305;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio trilema text is very fucking tense, so it needs this intensive approach to work. ya know ?
1298737;1444840335;gabrielradio;true
1298738;1444840347;asciilifeform;'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right.  THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified
1298739;1444840360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only problem is that it takes me ~20 minutes to translate one. it maybe takes me 15 minutes to read and fix his, except i'll also get angry. so it's a sort of economical problem.
1298740;1444840368;asciilifeform;thereby every single program beyond the schoolbook trivium depends on just such behaviour.
1298741;1444840384;mircea_popescu;~depends~ being tghe key word.
1298742;1444840392;mircea_popescu;it's not that you can fix it with better dakka.
1298743;1444840393;asciilifeform;break it, by choosing a different reading of the talmu^H^H^H^Hstandard, and it dies.
1298744;1444840404;mircea_popescu;in order to work, it DEPENDS on it. better dakka just guarantees more of the same.
1298745;1444840414;asciilifeform;dakka?
1298746;1444840427;mircea_popescu;;;google "i need more dakka" site:trilema.com
1298747;1444840428;gribble;I NEED MOAR DAKKA on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/i-need-moar-dakka>; O, wasted youth! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/o-wasted-youth>; Rautati si Mizerii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/rautati-si-mizerii/>
1298748;1444844198;shinohai;>.>
1298749;1444844511;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/31/its-now-or-never-texts-reveal-teens-efforts-to-pressure-boyfriend-into-suicide/
1298750;1444844512;assbot;‘It’s now or never': Texts reveal teen’s efforts to pressure boyfriend into suicide - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMrVrK )
1298751;1444844550;trinque;baw
1298752;1444844568;ben_vulpes;go, read
1298753;1444844591;ben_vulpes;i evillold
1298754;1444844672;mircea_popescu;!rate gabrielradio 1 Apprentice Trilema translator
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1298756;1444844698;trinque;ben_vulpes: mega-baw
1298757;1444844711;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabrielradio.1:3bf7e21ceb1c0a7bb8345448721b38f00d5ae0de782b9ebceb500d4c72c75008
1298758;1444844711;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for gabrielradio with note: Apprentice Trilema translator
1298759;1444844844;trinque;ben_vulpes: my brother yesterday was telling me about this "autistic" kid that punches teachers at his high school
1298760;1444844867;trinque;me: "And what if they could punch him back? Do you think he'd continue?" him: "hmmmmmm"
1298761;1444844893;trinque;a "counselor" comes running every time this kid lashes out. I say he wins
1298762;1444844959;punkman;"After his death, Carter became a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health. She organized a fundraising tournament in Roy’s memory and posted on  Facebook and Twitter about her attempts to save her boyfriend’s life."
1298763;1444845045;mircea_popescu;lol
1298764;1444845084;punkman;attempts such as:  “I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car” because the  carbon monoxide was working, she said. She added that she “told him to  get back in.”
1298765;1444845086;mircea_popescu;so basically the girl's plan was to be an activist, and she figured since all the verbiage is "you can't discuss X because you don't KNOWWHATITSLIKE" she'd really help her chances by having a bf off himself.
1298766;1444845098;mircea_popescu;she's right, too.
1298767;1444845160;mircea_popescu;at any rate a damn sight better plan than "i'll go to college and become carrie bradshaw"
1298768;1444845175;shinohai;Well, she got valuable experience in little time, sure beats going to school and studying that shit.
1298769;1444845337;mircea_popescu;she'll get the even more valuable experience of impunity, IN SPITE of a lot of verbiage and to and fro from the soi dissant "legal system", "community" etc.
1298770;1444845345;mircea_popescu;in other words, america is building its leaders of tomorrow.
1298771;1444845354;mircea_popescu;they just don't happen to be the sort of leaders it [thinks it] wants.
1298772;1444845396;mircea_popescu;just like dumbass chick with "i want people to like me for me" and no nudies on facebook IS selecting for her future husband.
1298773;1444845410;mircea_popescu;just, not for the future husband she [thinks she] wants. certainly for the one she deserves
1298774;1444845863;shinohai;!b 2
1298775;1444845864;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2C567TP.txt )
1298776;1444845886;shinohai;yay assbot is back. I had forgotten until I already sent command.
1298777;1444845997;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/gOtiYtR.jpg
1298778;1444845998;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMv4HZ )
1298779;1444846059;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://i.imgur.com/V3BmKlZ.jpg
1298780;1444846060;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMvfmI )
1298781;1444846088;mod6;Alright, wot-sync removed, some other minor changes.  Everything resigned and posted for review, enjoy!
1298782;1444846101;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz
1298783;1444846102;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMvj5U )
1298784;1444846105;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1298785;1444846105;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMvka2 )
1298786;1444846109;mircea_popescu;nice going mod6
1298787;1444846116;mod6;ty :]
1298788;1444846121;mircea_popescu;shinohai it has a point, too. reddit is fundamentally this, pretending moos are speech.
1298789;1444846305;mircea_popescu;"James LaFond�a little prick I never much cared for anyhow�is dead, and I am the ghost animating his tottering corpse." << you know, this is pretty typical schizo stuff and im willing to bet the guy kills someone.
1298790;1444846613;mircea_popescu;maybe it's just grieving, who's to know.
1298791;1444846620;mircea_popescu;no country for old men, huh ?
1298792;1444846643;mircea_popescu;strangely, somehow, no one seems to notice THAT is the premier, perhaps the only appeal of crypto.
1298793;1444846800;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298614 << o hey, check him out!
1298794;1444846800;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
1298795;1444846859;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298629 << lol another one!
1298796;1444846859;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 13:30:20; nubbins`: davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one
1298797;1444846879;phf;(gabrielradio is presumably gabriel_laddel in mobile mode)
1298798;1444846905;*;mircea_popescu catches glimpse of 2028 when he has to decide whether he goes to nobel ceremony for b-a person or oscar prize for b-a person because hey, assholes don't understand they gotta deconflict schedules for b-a.
1298799;1444846915;mircea_popescu;phf it's what i thought too but seems not.
1298800;1444846957;phf;huh!
1298801;1444846993;mircea_popescu;"I know they're billing it as a stand for women's rights, but that would be more convincing if they weren't also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, hadn't shuttered 75 percent of the country's Status of Women offices, and weren't shrugging off the more than 1,200 Indigenous women who have been missing or murdered in Canada since 1980."
1298802;1444847009;mircea_popescu;what the everliving fuck. closing down "status of women" offices is a fucking must for women's rights.
1298803;1444847031;mircea_popescu;and capitalizing that shit is a lot more fucking bigoted than saying obama is just a slave put there to do his white master's bidding.
1298804;1444847184;mircea_popescu;". There's a legitimate concern that sauntering into a polling booth dressed like something out a low-budget nightmare might actually be trivializing or mocking the experience of those Canadian women who face regular harassment (or worse) as part of their religious devotion"
1298805;1444847192;mircea_popescu;no there fucking isn't. "trivialization" is never a legitimate concern.
1298806;1444847210;mircea_popescu;the people pretending otherwise are also not legitimate people. ask for their fucking legitimations, the matter's not resolved by simply being there.
1298807;1444847395;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298657 << she';s most efficient looking for widow's whisp berries atm i suspect :D
1298808;1444847395;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 14:19:04; diana_coman: he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another
1298809;1444847485;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298674 << "believe". there's two kinds of believe, the "pepsi is best pepsi that saves women's rights" believe and the "sit on a pineapple" believe.
1298810;1444847485;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 15:31:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298611 << 'general population' will believe just about anything
1298811;1444847488;mircea_popescu;no point confusing them.
1298812;1444847494;mircea_popescu;usians will say anything and believe nothing.
1298813;1444848131;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298698 << depends if she ever posted tits. that usually makes the cut >D
1298814;1444848131;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 16:05:20; davout: asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?
1298815;1444848199;mircea_popescu;"Most of that development is iterative rehashes of what everyone else has already done, though. This is a red flag to me. Social networks, messaging systems, click analytics, GIS frameworks for click analytics, and lots of other things called "analytics" but really boil down to adtech, adtech, adtech, adtech, and some more adtech, and marketing campaigns about campaigns about adtech."
1298816;1444848205;mircea_popescu;with the mention that it's not tech. it's voodoo.
1298817;1444848238;mircea_popescu;so unless one';s willing to go "timecube is astrotech astrotech and some more astrotech", one shouldn't so refer to "click analytics" and the rest of that shit.
1298818;1444848378;shinohai;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-10/uosc-cbm101315.php   <<< Once I went to a funeral (Jewish) and joked to my cousin that "He is in heaven with Jesus now".  May as well have said the holocaust never occured.
1298819;1444848379;assbot;Cultural blunders make people better thinkers | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4etaI )
1298820;1444848644;mircea_popescu;"The elephant in the room being that the ad market is falling apart because it isn't worth anything near like what we imagined. If views were what mattered it would be impossible for Twitter to be in such trouble, Arstechnica be struggling to maintain its editorial standards, or sites like Huffington Post and Forbes to be forced to display clickbait panels and load 40 ~ 70 third party plants per page load."
1298821;1444848647;mircea_popescu;quite.
1298822;1444848860;mircea_popescu;A hilariously low percentage of tech investment targets the SMB market (aiming instead at huge business, the web, and the consumer electronics tie-in (the only interesting part of the list)) <<< yeah, it's not JUST bitcoin that the VC circus misdirected the usg into losing out of.
1298823;1444848891;mircea_popescu;this one will kill it, of course, but even if it didn't, even without it : usg had been  tricked by usg.vc into missing out on pretty much everything. even fucking obvious things like small biz.
1298824;1444849004;shinohai;I'm going to paint "Dumb ideas and bankrupt companies" onto a briefcase and dress up as a VC for Halloween.
1298825;1444849028;trinque;that's pretty good
1298826;1444849046;mircea_popescu;nb.
1298827;1444849457;shinohai;At first I though of making a giant paper-machie forhead and going as Vitalik Buterin, but it kept collapsing. :/
1298828;1444849467;shinohai;*forehead
1298829;1444849480;mircea_popescu;lmao
1298830;1444849496;mircea_popescu;papier-mache does not make a suitable replacement for pressed shit.
1298831;1444849513;shinohai;I'm certainly nowhere near fat enough to be Gavin.
1298832;1444849681;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/Ur3Wf73.jpg   <<< kek
1298833;1444849681;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4ijRh )
1298834;1444850193;phf;last year i did travis bickle for halloween, complete with haircut, which had a nice bonus of being a big fuck you to the firm i was working for. apparently it's fine to have purple hair if you're an agile manager, but not so much a "warhawk" for a project architect.
1298835;1444850214;phf;http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/af/bb/51afbbec842a18006aa399b4d40bbd5a.jpg << for reference
1298836;1444850215;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4jNej )
1298837;1444850415;phf;shinohai: i think you want these if you're trying to buterin, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001BLWW8A
1298838;1444850418;assbot;Amazon.com: EARS LARGE PLASTIC: Clothing ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4kqoc )
1298839;1444850737;mircea_popescu;i dun get why you'd want to big fuck you the firm you work for.
1298840;1444850768;shinohai;lmao phf .... makes me actually want to make a Buterin costume.
1298841;1444851296;mircea_popescu;"To illustrate this, consider the latest issue containing an article, "Power Hour."  It describes an impromptu experiment on the world's powerful  (i.e. Paul Wolfowitz) that unfortunately failed to show the intended result, namely, that he's a jerk.
1298842;1444851296;mircea_popescu;The fact that the experiment failed didn't stop The New Yorker from trying to portray Wolfowitz as a jerk anyway, even though his performance theoretically showed that he was not a jerk, by the outcome measure of the study.  They even commissioned a caricature of Wolfowitz to accompany the article, because, well, he's a jerk, of course.  No matter what science says."
1298843;1444851301;mircea_popescu;via http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html
1298844;1444851302;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4mU5T )
1298845;1444851312;mircea_popescu;what has changed in 7 years ? oh... the new yorker went out of business.
1298846;1444851331;mircea_popescu;and whoever took over's paying less for the copywriting and even less for the artwork.
1298847;1444851352;mircea_popescu;and otherwise... let's do a test to see if it comes out the way we want it to here it is it did!!11
1298848;1444851402;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform>  << who is this and why would anyone care..? << Person who sold out to Denton for minimal cash and a life time of being trolled by his media child
1298849;1444851649;phf;mircea_popescu: i was being childish, but also under a lot of stress. at that point they didn't quite believe me that i really am only staying on long enough to wrap up the projects i was responsible for. the haircut cut off any attempts to bring me into meetings with new clients. in any case not my proudest moment, but it was my best halloween costume so far.
1298850;1444851695;mircea_popescu;usually how this works :D
1298851;1444851731;mircea_popescu;"not my proudest moment in retrospect, but hot damned that time i stripped naked and jumped in the pool was the greatest party ever!" said many a tall beauties.
1298852;1444851766;phf;ahaha
1298853;1444851852;mircea_popescu;whadda ya do for a living now, anyway
1298854;1444851999;phf;helping out a friend on his project ~3 days a week or so in a last authority on technical decisions role.
1298855;1444852038;mircea_popescu;what, you're retired ?
1298856;1444852141;phf;that's one way of putting it, except i don't have enough leverage to last me to the end, so technically no
1298857;1444852234;mircea_popescu;so you're basically a nigger in prison (ie, timed out by the failures of this world!!1) except not actually black.
1298858;1444852270;phf;that's a much better way of putting it, yes
1298859;1444852302;mircea_popescu;so why don't you do something ? here's alf bending over the task of routing circuits in the blockchain implemented in ada
1298860;1444852313;mircea_popescu;and here's phf sitting around wondering what's for dinner.
1298861;1444852319;mircea_popescu;is this fairness i ask you ?
1298862;1444852408;asciilifeform;l0l
1298863;1444852443;mircea_popescu;worst run sharashka ever.
1298864;1444852481;phf;well, this is eye of sauron kind of operation
1298865;1444852495;mircea_popescu;what's that ?
1298866;1444852521;phf;whenever mp notices a problem, there's a active search for a solution
1298867;1444852587;phf;i'm basically following along the logs, looking for things i can pick up and work on. last one i saw was memory limits in nursery
1298868;1444852600;mircea_popescu;flattering, but noit that accurate.
1298869;1444852608;asciilifeform;phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved.
1298870;1444852612;mircea_popescu;not that the strategy per se is bad, following the log.
1298871;1444852671;mircea_popescu;but i am positive that either mod6 or alf could give you huge chunks to do, if you're mostly into that. prolly mod6 more swamped tghan alf atm, even.
1298872;1444852708;asciilifeform;e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298782 needs a good test.
1298873;1444852708;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 18:08:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz
1298874;1444852710;mircea_popescu;there's also a bunch of large-ish stand-alone items, such as the gossipd (which might still be done by artifexd, haven;t heard from him for a while) and a proper redesign of pgp
1298875;1444852712;mircea_popescu;and othjers.
1298876;1444852729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i'll fess up to being a good chunk of the way into both of the above
1298877;1444852742;mircea_popescu;ofcourseyouare.
1298878;1444852758;asciilifeform;but this does not mean that other folks ought not to do it!
1298879;1444852759;asciilifeform;as in 'v'
1298880;1444852763;mircea_popescu;which is why i dun wanna encourage your heretic renaissance-orchestra-man ways by attaching more talented young folk to your crazylab.
1298881;1444852775;asciilifeform;l0l aha.
1298882;1444852791;mircea_popescu;fits in head, i suspect, is just your bait and switch to make the world "fits in ass".
1298883;1444852799;asciilifeform;!s arse safe
1298884;1444852800;assbot;2 results for 'arse safe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=arse+safe
1298885;1444852802;mircea_popescu;why do you want to rectally insert the creation, alf ?
1298886;1444852803;asciilifeform;^ key feature!
1298887;1444852845;asciilifeform;the old saw, 'you own only what fits in one hand while firing with the other' is not applicable if using two-handed weapon. because then, you own only what fits in head (and arse...)
1298888;1444852864;mircea_popescu;aha
1298889;1444852927;asciilifeform;;;seen artifexd
1298890;1444852927;gribble;artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
1298891;1444852944;mircea_popescu;myeah been a while.
1298892;1444852966;asciilifeform;fella's logged in...
1298893;1444852977;mircea_popescu;yo artifexd ... how goes ?
1298894;1444853001;asciilifeform;'отряд не заметил потери бойца и яблочко песню допел до конца' (tm) (r)
1298895;1444853031;mircea_popescu;heh
1298896;1444853081;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved. << the only problem that EVEN BENEFITS from a different approach is childbearing.
1298897;1444853098;mircea_popescu;and the different apporoach is not on the part of the buggerers either, they still work nights and weekends with bare...
1298898;1444853101;mircea_popescu;hands.
1298899;1444853198;asciilifeform;go and fab cpu 'nights&weekends with bare hands.'
1298900;1444853232;mircea_popescu;sometimes i think b-a is really the mental process of a nutty old guy
1298901;1444853240;mircea_popescu;keep[s having the same arguments with himself.
1298902;1444853251;mircea_popescu;incidentally this'd be the way to write the b-a book.
1298903;1444853265;asciilifeform;'the dreams of cthulhu'
1298904;1444853361;mircea_popescu;not even. "The Retired Life of Mr. Boody Wallen."
1298905;1444853396;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298621 << call me skeptic, but wake me up when gurlz carry shroom snuffboxes instead of cosmetic cases !
1298906;1444853396;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 12:49:26; punkman: http://boingboing.net/2015/10/13/this-tropical-mushroom-gives-w.html
1298907;1444853427;mircea_popescu;call me crazy, but the most often heard HONEST response to "would you like to cum ?" is no.
1298908;1444853437;asciilifeform;how's that wurk
1298909;1444853439;mircea_popescu;women, sane women in sane situations, don't generally want another orgasm.
1298910;1444853443;mircea_popescu;because it's exhausting.
1298911;1444853450;asciilifeform;life is exhausting
1298912;1444853457;mircea_popescu;not paroxistically.
1298913;1444853459;phf;so gossipd is "in progress", but fella's not been heard from in a very long time. gpg has not been started, but ascii presumably has a lot of ideas about it. then there's pie in the sky projects, like fabricating own cpus or rsa over udp routers.
1298914;1444853479;mircea_popescu;phf notice that the gossipd thing was specced, the pgp one has not.
1298915;1444853490;mircea_popescu;and i am pretty certain the specwork for it will involve fireworks.
1298916;1444853491;asciilifeform;phf: 3 of these 4 are well underway right here.
1298917;1444853522;asciilifeform;i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
1298918;1444853570;shinohai;If help is still needed cleaning or writing some crap for the wiki I may can help.
1298919;1444853601;mircea_popescu;shinohai A LOT of that is needed on teh eulora wiki, at that.
1298920;1444853616;asciilifeform;the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.
1298921;1444853636;phf;and then there's always bitcoind source, which is infinite rabbit hole. i'm studying the source by rewriting chunks in cl, and the more i learn, the more i know i don't know
1298922;1444853636;asciilifeform;a 'public key' is simply a snippet of code for this 'computer'
1298923;1444853640;asciilifeform;ditto private.
1298924;1444853649;mircea_popescu;yarvin will be pissed.
1298925;1444853652;asciilifeform;there are no hardcoded implementations of ciphers, or hashes
1298926;1444853661;asciilifeform;these are carried in the 'keys'
1298927;1444853666;mircea_popescu;the entire fucking point nsa even sponsored his nonsense is that it might perhaps prevent this manner of looking on asym crypto.
1298928;1444853696;asciilifeform;'v' is the bullet in the head for shithub et al;
1298929;1444853709;asciilifeform;'p' (draft title) - for the old pgp.
1298930;1444853710;shinohai;keep forgetting to rejoin #eulora, never added to autojoin
1298931;1444853729;asciilifeform;i could say more, but why ruin ~all~ of the surprise.
1298932;1444853749;phf;g is presumably ascii's gossipd version
1298933;1444853762;asciilifeform;whole thing is a few 100 lines of c. (not entirely tested yet, so i will not say precisely how much it weights.)
1298934;1444853765;asciilifeform;*weighs
1298935;1444853824;asciilifeform;for some exposition of the general approach, see also my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
1298936;1444853825;assbot;Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX )
1298937;1444853829;shinohai;Any news on when our friend phuctor might return asciilifeform ?
1298938;1444853843;asciilifeform;shinohai: when i find a place to put it.
1298939;1444853845;mircea_popescu;darn was going to get a quote
1298940;1444853848;mircea_popescu;;;seen naphex
1298941;1444853848;gribble;naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Naphex> mircea_popescu: yep; i'm waiting for a mail from him should come later on today
1298942;1444853854;asciilifeform;shinohai: so far, nothing satisfactory. i continue the search.
1298943;1444853872;shinohai;kk thanks
1298944;1444853881;asciilifeform;would ~strongly~ prefer to put it in a place i can physically touch, but mircea_popescu does not much like this approach, iirc he said 'dont wanna trade with the enemy'
1298945;1444853886;mircea_popescu;im still hopeful might manage to get a colo'd box there.
1298946;1444853912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can touch it just as soon as you get out of nazi state.
1298947;1444853938;*;asciilifeform makes stone face, like stierlitz in '17 moments of spring'
1298948;1444853944;mircea_popescu;lol
1298949;1444853992;shinohai;I can't offer any such help as I too am under the thumb of the SS.
1298950;1444854006;trinque;ship shinohai out on the barge
1298951;1444854045;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2014#905048 << for reference.
1298952;1444854045;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2014 02:48:16; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKuatNrLHLY << with english translation in 'show more' box
1298953;1444854225;*;asciilifeform bbl
1298954;1444854290;nubbins`;add BBC News to the list o.O
1298955;1444854435;mircea_popescu;hehe. are you a celeb nao nubs ?
1298956;1444855040;mircea_popescu; zxq9@zxq9.com   host mx10.mailspamprotection.com [184.154.208.34]    SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data
1298957;1444855052;mircea_popescu;clearly, "email filtering has gotten so good of late"
1298958;1444856039;shinohai;Jeezus mircea_popescu you weren't kidding about the eulora wiki.
1298959;1444856055;mircea_popescu;aha.
1298960;1444856063;mircea_popescu;!up PeterL_out
1298961;1444856070;mircea_popescu;o.O
1298962;1444856130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13439 @ 0.00047733 = 6.4148 BTC [-] {2} 
1298963;1444856255;mircea_popescu;!up PeterL
1298964;1444856261;mircea_popescu;assbot had netsplitted.
1298965;1444856266;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298437 << oil is made of hydrocarbons, carbohydrates are things like sugars
1298966;1444856266;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 00:23:57; mircea_popescu: this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices.
1298967;1444856276;PeterL;just nitpicking
1298968;1444856283;mircea_popescu;a right.
1298969;1444856300;mircea_popescu;not much oxygen in oil.
1298970;1444856341;PeterL;unless your "oil" comes from a US gas pump and is filled with oxygenates like ethanol
1298971;1444856388;mircea_popescu;aha.
1298972;1444859449;brg444;did bitderp story get pulled from Qntra?
1298973;1444859562;BingoBoingo;Which one?
1298974;1444859598;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/10/troubled-bitpay-signs-up-gaming-platform/ ???
1298975;1444859598;assbot;Troubled BitPay Signs up Gaming Platform | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdrfiG )
1298976;1444859610;BingoBoingo;Ah, deedbot didn't catch it
1298977;1444859638;trinque;was absentee due to some freenode fart; just brought it back
1298978;1444859785;Duffer1;g2a is the sketchiest bullshit
1298979;1444859806;Duffer1;brand new AAA games at 80% off day of release
1298980;1444859816;Duffer1;"we're legit"
1298981;1444859918;brg444;my bad the recent one, would be bitreserve/uphold
1298982;1444859949;brg444;their fiat "rebranding"
1298983;1444860100;BingoBoingo;I don't remember that one
1298984;1444860347;brg444;aaa found it. stumbled on it today ... from 2014 http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/
1298985;1444860348;assbot;Bitreserve Holds your Bitcoins as Fiat | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdrJoP )
1298986;1444860600;brg444;veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"
1298987;1444860877;shinohai;rofl
1298988;1444860879;brg444;Minor, too, predicts that bitcoin as a currency “will get destroyed.” He likens the coin’s current market cap—about $3.7 billion—to “an accounting mistake or rounding error that Bank of America makes.”
1298989;1444860885;brg444;http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/bitreserve-bitcoin-uphold/
1298990;1444860886;assbot;Bitcoin Startup Bitreserve Changes Name and Moves Beyond Bitcoin - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ndsb6o )
1298991;1444860992;brg444;"22% of the world's publicly traded bitcoin has been transacted on our platform in less than 11 months"
1298992;1444861004;brg444;what the fuck does that even mean
1298993;1444861009;pete_dushenski;wash trading
1298994;1444861024;pete_dushenski;http://www.dfs.ny.gov/banking/agree_symphony_09142015.htm << crytolulz
1298995;1444861025;assbot;NYSDFS - Banking - September 14, 2015: NYDFS Reaches Agreements With 4 Major Banks on New Symphony Chat & Messaging Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsePI )
1298996;1444861034;pete_dushenski;cryptolulz*
1298997;1444861043;pete_dushenski;"The four banks will store duplicate copies of the decryption keys for their messages with independent custodians (i.e., custodians not controlled by the banks)."
1298998;1444861113;ben_vulpes;ahahaha
1298999;1444861115;pete_dushenski;why the fuck even bother with 'end-to-end encryption'
1299000;1444861125;ben_vulpes;"operate in us? can't use crypto."
1299001;1444861148;pete_dushenski;if you're just going to hand the unencrypted emails over the second the nydfs comes aknockin'
1299002;1444861169;shinohai;They like making you *feel* secure.
1299003;1444861195;pete_dushenski;how in the fuck did the nydfs even manage to negotiate this ?
1299004;1444861253;pete_dushenski;actually, if i were goldman, i'd use 'symphony chat' for 'clean tawk' and pgp for 'dirty tawk'.
1299005;1444861290;pete_dushenski;"here you are officer, i think you'll find this correspondance regarding the weather in peru to be in order"
1299006;1444861317;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b38
1299007;1444861338;pete_dushenski; correspondence*
1299008;1444861384;pete_dushenski;see, without good ol' deedbot- i'd have forgotten entirely about that eth bet.
1299009;1444861390;pete_dushenski;how is that scam doing these days ?
1299010;1444861446;pete_dushenski;oof. down 19% today to 0.0019
1299011;1444861461;pete_dushenski;'yes' is looking tempting isn't it.
1299012;1444861537;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298978 << what's sketchy about a gaming platform whose users want to suck its dick, all nice and sloppy like ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Trustpilot-Id-suck-your-dick-all-nice-and-sloppy-like.png
1299013;1444861537;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 21:56:25; Duffer1: g2a is the sketchiest bullshit
1299014;1444861540;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsBK6 )
1299015;1444861589;brg444;jays just got jobbed
1299016;1444861620;pete_dushenski;orly ? missed the game.
1299017;1444861630;brg444;live rite now
1299018;1444861644;brg444;people throwing beers on the field and stuff
1299019;1444861663;BingoBoingo;Eh, baseball season ended last night
1299020;1444861666;pete_dushenski;what happened ? it's in toronto iirc
1299021;1444861675;pete_dushenski;brg444 ^
1299022;1444861721;BingoBoingo;lol https://archive.is/ac3ed
1299023;1444861722;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsK0i )
1299024;1444861724;brg444;refs made a terrible call on awarding a free run to the plate on a botched pitch back to the pitcher
1299025;1444861766;brg444;appeared to have called the play off then awarded the point on review. now checking out the replay, again.
1299026;1444861785;pete_dushenski;ooo drama
1299027;1444861818;brg444;someone's getting ejected soon
1299028;1444861862;brg444;BingoBoingo about STL sports team, Gurley is entertaining
1299029;1444861868;BingoBoingo;He is
1299030;1444861915;BingoBoingo;Tre Mason can eat a dick though. Wasn't for that asshole Mizzou would have had an SEC Championship.
1299031;1444861928;pete_dushenski;@GreggZaun: Try to keep it classy Toronto. The WORLD is watching << bahaha. shut the fuck up zaun. you're a has-been and your little world and everyone you know doth not make up any ~useful~ fraction of the world extant. but whatever, enjoy your time in the sun, however brief it may be.
1299032;1444861999;pete_dushenski;the WORLD watches WORLD CUP
1299033;1444862026;pete_dushenski;that's it. not the olympics, not the 'world' series, nothing else. football.
1299034;1444862039;pete_dushenski;and cripes, not the american kind either.
1299035;1444862048;BingoBoingo;The card's elimination from the playoff wouldn't be so bad if it came at the hands of any team other than Shitcago
1299036;1444862079;pete_dushenski;ahh chicago. i remember the days of frank thomas like they were yesterday.
1299037;1444862114;pete_dushenski;now ~that~ man could hit a ball, pre-juice too (or before widespread use at least)
1299038;1444862125;BingoBoingo;Frank Thomas was with the OK Chicago team.
1299039;1444862155;BingoBoingo;There was probably juice around then too, I mean Jose Canseco. Thomas though was a genetic freak.
1299040;1444862193;pete_dushenski;i have a soft spot for genetic freaks in sport.
1299041;1444862215;pete_dushenski;lebron, tiger, bolt, etc. those 'supermen'
1299042;1444862232;pete_dushenski;the ones that 'don't make sense'
1299043;1444862264;brg444;i get the same feelings watching Odell Beckham launch 45 inches in the hair grabbing footballs one handed during pre-game
1299044;1444862286;BingoBoingo;Right. But the Cards were eliminated by the fucking Northside Pedobears https://archive.is/oD37c
1299045;1444862287;assbot;19ckws9y9dr7yjpg.jpg (636x358 pixels) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ndt3Iq )
1299046;1444862297;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299012  <<<lawl
1299047;1444862297;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 22:25:37; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298978 << what's sketchy about a gaming platform whose users want to suck its dick, all nice and sloppy like ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Trustpilot-Id-suck-your-dick-all-nice-and-sloppy-like.png
1299048;1444862315;brg444;lebron the most impressive specimen I've seen
1299049;1444862421;brg444;nh
1299050;1444862475;pete_dushenski;brg444 i remember watching him for the first time, while in a hotel room in mexico as it happens, during his senior year (of high school!) in the slam dunk competition. he was simply monumental. and i remember saying "watch out for this kid" without really knowing jack shit about pro bball
1299051;1444862546;brg444;yep. was unheard of. kid was probably pulling more ratings on ESPN then this baseball game on now as a senior.
1299052;1444862661;brg444;it's a shame he's such a doofus though. mentality he is amateur at best. doesn't understand how to be great
1299053;1444862663;brg444;MJ did
1299054;1444862737;*;BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player
1299055;1444862770;brg444;:o
1299056;1444862773;brg444;he was ass though
1299057;1444862856;brg444;that speaks to why he was so great though: dude had such an ego he thought there was nothing he couldn't do.
1299058;1444862863;pete_dushenski;baseball update: so weird rangers run counted. jays look to come back in bottom of 7th, bases loaded, 1 out.
1299059;1444863145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00047463 = 6.1702 BTC [-] {2} 
1299060;1444863305;brg444;oh wow
1299061;1444863512;pete_dushenski;6-3 jays. grand salamie.
1299062;1444863614;brg444;na, was actually 2 people on bases
1299063;1444863626;brg444;people in toronto going nuts
1299064;1444863665;pete_dushenski;Frank Thomas @TheBigHurt_35 This is the craziest inning of baseball I've ever seen!! <<
1299065;1444863712;pete_dushenski;brg444 aha. my bad.
1299066;1444863749;brg444;I've lost track of time but it seems this one inning has been going on for the last hour
1299067;1444863967;shinohai;http://imgur.com/a/D4A0n   <<< You guys had ur 40x6 cm dildo today ?
1299068;1444863967;assbot;futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpcnE8 )
1299069;1444864134;pete_dushenski;"The relationship of intelligence and intelligent behavior has been the topic of recent debates, yet understanding why we call certain actions stupid irrespective of their cognitive abilities requires the understanding of what people mean when they call an action stupid. To study these questions empirically, we analyzed real-life examples where people called an action stupid."
1299070;1444864162;pete_dushenski;while i could think of worse and less hilarious topics for one's phd...
1299071;1444864219;pete_dushenski;wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?
1299072;1444864315;pete_dushenski;while pretty much everyone is stupid is ~some~ ways, this doesn't imply that there aren't vast disparities between the shades of gray.
1299073;1444864356;pete_dushenski;yes, tlp is a smart dude, but no, he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of independence.
1299074;1444864374;pete_dushenski;for his daughter, at least.
1299075;1444864611;pete_dushenski;likewise, obama is smarter than your average nignog, but he can't negotiate himself out of a paper bag, much less prevent his 'country' from spiralling from despondency on downwards. in fact, if he were smarter, he'd be accelerating the process at every opportunity. instead, he just drags his dumb heels in the sand his father was born in.
1299076;1444864657;pete_dushenski;might as well get it over with, burn the mess down already. but no, too stupid. too much 'hope'.
1299077;1444865070;ben_vulpes;lol bye pete
1299078;1444865106;brg444;*drops mic
1299079;1444865118;ben_vulpes;obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.
1299080;1444865136;ben_vulpes;it's just the wwe yearly belt competition
1299081;1444865787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suppose they could bid for a eulora copper merchant position like anyone else.
1299082;1444865875;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298986 << what exactly did the guy do to be veteran ?
1299083;1444865875;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 22:10:00; brg444: veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"
1299084;1444865898;mircea_popescu;oh the cnet dude nm
1299085;1444865986;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299006 << me sees this, goes orly ? goes and checks, sure enough 0.00204816 BTC (-15.62 %)
1299086;1444865986;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 22:21:57; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b38
1299087;1444865997;mircea_popescu;niggas stealin' ma bitbetz!
1299088;1444866150;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299054 << michael jackson ?!
1299089;1444866150;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 22:45:37; *: BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player
1299090;1444866261;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/a/D4A0n << im sure every internist in audience is thinking that's just about the size of an impacted shit.
1299091;1444866261;assbot;futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpcnE8 )
1299092;1444866316;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299071 << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on.
1299093;1444866316;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 23:10:19; pete_dushenski: wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?
1299094;1444866319;mircea_popescu;tis a problem.
1299095;1444866358;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Jordan. During those two years he had to leave Basketball over those gambling debts
1299096;1444866360;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299074 <<< re that quote, in fairness and on re-read it could be said he sort-of gets it. maybe. lotta effort it takes, too
1299097;1444866360;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 23:12:54; pete_dushenski: for his daughter, at least.
1299098;1444866373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you mean aids ?!
1299099;1444866385;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's Magic Johnson
1299100;1444866432;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299079 << and the american husband doesn't have the mandate to put wife on knees. of course he doesn't, except if he takes it, in which case he does. because this is kinda how this shit works.
1299101;1444866432;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 23:25:18; ben_vulpes: obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.
1299102;1444866476;mircea_popescu;reagan didn't have the mandate to send the airline union packing. it went packing. roosevelt had no mandate to confiscate people's currency, or to redefine currency, or to fuck up the justice system.
1299103;1444866484;mircea_popescu;and for that matter he had as much mandate to start a war as lincoln did.
1299104;1444866503;mircea_popescu;it specifically says "you don't have mandate to start wars, unless you do."
1299105;1444867842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22762 @ 0.00047786 = 10.877 BTC [+] {2} 
1299106;1444867862;mircea_popescu;first!
1299107;1444868796;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html << this shit is so on point...
1299108;1444868797;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1NI78Mn )
1299109;1444868811;mircea_popescu;"If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different.  You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player.  You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc.  The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those re
1299110;1444868812;mircea_popescu;sults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.
1299111;1444868812;mircea_popescu;The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it.  The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it.  He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
1299112;1444868813;mircea_popescu;He starts out as a young academic.  He lands a spot in a research group that studies X, so he studies X, later he branches out into X+Y, or goes to Z, etc, eventually he finds himself a niche.  And he believes in that niche, he believes in his data, no matter what it says.  You can't convince him he's wrong because it isn't science and it isn't even a bias-- it's identity.
1299113;1444868818;mircea_popescu;That's how an entire nation of psychiatrists could have been deluded into prescribing Depakote for maintenance when the data itself says not to do it.  It's belief, not money, "we believe bipolar is a kindled disorder..."  Hell, if Harvard believes it, what chance do the rest of us have?"
1299114;1444868845;asciilifeform;and this is not even remotely limited to pharma.
1299115;1444868870;mircea_popescu;has 0 to do with pharma. where usg goes, the usg.problems go.
1299116;1444868886;mircea_popescu;wherever there's two ustards, there's ustardation, aka this sort of narcisiac neurosis.
1299117;1444868895;asciilifeform;btw 'bipolar as kindled [as per 1950s theory of epileptic fit origins] disease' comes entirely from one thing:
1299118;1444868898;mircea_popescu;heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./
1299119;1444868920;asciilifeform;antiepileptics tend to be 1) infinitely polymorphable into patentability 2) lobotomize patient into quiescence
1299120;1444868960;mircea_popescu;yes, obviously, "antiepileptics for everything" aka "everything to do with the brain will be fixed by fucking with these neurotransmitters" comes from exactly this fertile field.
1299121;1444868998;mircea_popescu;and the entire "everything wrong is really wrong with the brain" ie "not criminality but imbalance" so on and so forth are only superficially an ideology matter, ie "humanism" run amok us style.
1299122;1444869007;asciilifeform;but i will note the overall ~direction~ of usg psychiatry.
1299123;1444869008;BingoBoingo;antiepileptics tend to work on ion channels, antipsychotics/antidepressants fuck with neurotransmitters
1299124;1444869010;mircea_popescu;fundamentally, they're exactly driven by this tecxh
1299125;1444869014;mircea_popescu;technological happenstance.\
1299126;1444869023;asciilifeform;much the same as that of sov психушка
1299127;1444869024;mircea_popescu;this discussion exactly mirrors yesterdauy's discussion about diesels.
1299128;1444869035;asciilifeform;there ~were~ dopaminergics.
1299129;1444869042;mircea_popescu;the "regulators" had 0 to do with it. while the refinery process poured out diesel fuel, you were gonna run diesels.
1299130;1444869058;mircea_popescu;while petrochem pours out depakote, you're gonna fucking feed people depakote and stfu.
1299131;1444869076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not really the case here. petrochem had equally easy time pouring out dopaminergics as it does neuroleptics
1299132;1444869103;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1299133;1444869144;mircea_popescu;see, the uppers risk cascading.
1299134;1444869152;mircea_popescu;the downers just make people stfu and sit down.
1299135;1444869157;asciilifeform;naturally
1299136;1444869158;BingoBoingo;Depakote was popular because drug companies made conditions for the insurance companies to pay for it.
1299137;1444869167;asciilifeform;usg would rather have a herd of depressives than manics, yes
1299138;1444869174;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but they only did that because it was accessible.
1299139;1444869184;BingoBoingo;Before Depakote, it was seroquel, after depakote it was Zyprexa
1299140;1444869186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even usg related. it is CHEAPER.
1299141;1444869190;mircea_popescu;\that's the considerationb here.
1299142;1444869209;asciilifeform;cheaper to manage the depressives ? certainly
1299143;1444869212;asciilifeform;to make the pill? nope.
1299144;1444869223;mircea_popescu;no. cheaper to make these than those. cheaper to prescribe them. cheaper to take them.
1299145;1444869231;mircea_popescu;in the very lowest sense of it all. cheaper in adp terms.
1299146;1444869245;BingoBoingo;Psychiatry swings in an antipsychotic-antiepileptic-antipsychotic-antiepileptic pattern for bipolar
1299147;1444869261;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo these aren't different.
1299148;1444869272;mircea_popescu;psychiatry is being a slut while pretending she's having amorous complications.
1299149;1444869277;mircea_popescu;it still fucks the same dude every night.
1299150;1444869284;asciilifeform;is PeterL around ? let's look at the synthesis for either.
1299151;1444869291;BingoBoingo;Sure, but they switch around condom brands
1299152;1444869302;asciilifeform;i don't see anything in the structures that would suggest a substantial difference in cost per kg.
1299153;1444869315;asciilifeform;of, e.g., 'depakote' vs dextraamphetamine
1299154;1444869323;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your argument will reduce to something like "making 1950s bachelite and fuel oil is '''cheaper''' than making diesel and wd40". this is equivalent to saying "z80 is cheaper to make than pentium 3". both are incorrect.
1299155;1444869331;mircea_popescu;pentium 3 is ACTUALLY cheaper to make than z80 ever was.
1299156;1444869336;asciilifeform;z80 is absolutely cheaper.
1299157;1444869339;mircea_popescu;not so.
1299158;1444869356;mircea_popescu;"absolutely" is a meaningless term. yes, you think it exists. good for you.
1299159;1444869360;asciilifeform;unless one goes 'but no one is tooled for it'
1299160;1444869366;mircea_popescu;but outside of your pinning it down, it does not exist.
1299161;1444869367;mircea_popescu;aha.
1299162;1444869393;mircea_popescu;it's not that "no one is tooled for it". it's that theyre not TOOLABLE for it. and if they WERE, it'd be expensive.
1299163;1444869403;mircea_popescu;consider home cooking. it is ABSOLUTELY the cheapest way to feed a fambly.
1299164;1444869406;mircea_popescu;except, not.
1299165;1444869411;mircea_popescu;there isn't this "absolutely" .
1299166;1444869451;deedbot-;[Trilema] Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus - http://trilema.com/2015/chez-cocus-or-the-argentinian-chorus/
1299167;1444869452;mircea_popescu;in the world where women cook as a matter of course, cooking is MORE EXPENSIVE than in the world where cooking would be "absolutely" less expensive but women would kill themselves if you allowed them in a kitchen
1299168;1444869506;mircea_popescu;does this coallesce into sense on your side ?
1299169;1444870749;mircea_popescu;speaking of nothing related, anyone recall the original patrick naughton trial ? compuserve exec, flew to La to meet a 40yo FBI agent that had been posing as a 13 yo girl in a dads&daughers sex chatroom. hung jury : all women voted to convict ; all men voted he;s innocent.
1299170;1444870843;asciilifeform;hung != acquit
1299171;1444870849;mircea_popescu;somehow THAT gender gap doesn't figure too prominently in "feminist" discourse today
1299172;1444870861;mircea_popescu;but i think it informs, subconsciously, ALL of it.
1299173;1444870896;asciilifeform;re: previous thread: i get the hypothesis, but it falls apart re: z80 specifically. as it is... still made. and is about $5 in qty.
1299174;1444870897;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc he went to work as an exeprty in fucking teens for the fbi afterwards.
1299175;1444870900;mircea_popescu;so yes, it did.
1299176;1444870930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform $5 does not describe the price.
1299177;1444870941;mircea_popescu;see my bottles of wine. also $5. or, less.
1299178;1444870955;mircea_popescu;pentium costs $0.
1299179;1444870960;asciilifeform;wai wut
1299180;1444870969;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/chez-cocus-or-the-argentinian-chorus/ <\
1299181;1444870969;assbot;Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhCREx )
1299182;1444870971;asciilifeform;in the sense of go-dig-up-from-the-skip ?
1299183;1444870974;asciilifeform;yes, $0
1299184;1444870989;mircea_popescu;in the sense of, "put on provision slip, sign, costs nothing"
1299185;1444870993;mircea_popescu;go, put z80 on the list.
1299186;1444871005;asciilifeform;how does it 'cost nothing' ?
1299187;1444871012;asciilifeform;pray to god, he drops a pallet down ?
1299188;1444871017;mircea_popescu;suppose you're in soviet russia.
1299189;1444871023;mircea_popescu;if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
1299190;1444871027;mircea_popescu;if you want a general motors truck ?
1299191;1444871045;mircea_popescu;your wife's cunt costs 0. teen poon costs... how much does it cost ? as alf says "might as well me from mars."
1299192;1444871067;mircea_popescu;what company you ever heard of had a debate over "windows licensing costs" ?
1299193;1444871080;asciilifeform;this is handy for the present day but does not explain how the pieces on the board got to where they are
1299194;1444871087;mircea_popescu;"hey, maybe we should use linux, it's cheaper". sure, as a red herring for "red hat", which is not linux.
1299195;1444871105;mircea_popescu;well, they got to where they are through a succession of present days.
1299196;1444871122;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the mathematical sleigh of hand called "induction" rite.
1299197;1444871129;asciilifeform;incidentally, for the two kinds of dope picked for this comparison, the packaging and distribution costs dwarf the actual cost of producing the pill
1299198;1444871130;mircea_popescu;i show today and tomorrow and i won.
1299199;1444871138;mircea_popescu;aha.
1299200;1444871146;mircea_popescu;which is why we strictly ignore it.
1299201;1444871154;asciilifeform;so what was cheaper on day 0 ?
1299202;1444871161;mircea_popescu;a club.
1299203;1444871180;mircea_popescu;you familiar with this, yes ? the romans kept going "why would someone farm when he could heroicly steal women and shit ?!?!?!"
1299204;1444871189;asciilifeform;aha
1299205;1444871193;mircea_popescu;so then.
1299206;1444871260;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem of reality is that for things to work, things don't actually have to work.
1299207;1444871271;asciilifeform;except where they do.
1299208;1444871319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3326 @ 0.00047798 = 1.5898 BTC [+]
1299209;1444871320;mircea_popescu;which is just another restatement of "people are insane" which is pretty much the oldest observation in the book that everyone keeps restating self-importantly and lo, it's voltaire! it's nietsche! it's existentialism! it's your grandmother vigin! etgc
1299210;1444871360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they never do. that's the problem. by the time the war is lost, the people who lost it are dead. that's the thing.
1299211;1444871368;mircea_popescu;yes the people that won won. but this means nothing in context.
1299212;1444871381;mircea_popescu;ofcourse they were gonna win etc.
1299213;1444871394;*;asciilifeform is palpably confused
1299214;1444871416;mircea_popescu;look, let's go at it this way. in your own private experience, as a witness, how many times did a horde of idiots on some idiot forum know better than me ?
1299215;1444871428;mircea_popescu;i'm still here, they as individuals are not. but they as group are still here. perhaps to outlast me.
1299216;1444871442;asciilifeform;as per the 'infinite hitpoints' article from mircea_popescu's www, aha
1299217;1444871444;mircea_popescu;the idiot can not lose, because by the time he's lost he's gone. where's the neobee schmuck ?
1299218;1444871447;mircea_popescu;not around, that;s where.
1299219;1444871460;asciilifeform;or my personal favourite 'cockroaches will inherit the earth'
1299220;1444871464;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, there is no "unless it does". yes, they'll die.
1299221;1444871466;mircea_popescu;they'll die anyway.
1299222;1444871480;mircea_popescu;things are only meaningful to those capable to perceive meaning, and this ALREADY means not-them.
1299223;1444871506;mircea_popescu;in aother formulation.
1299224;1444871556;mircea_popescu;if multiverse, and if in ALL possible verses picking a on X quesdtion results in annihilation, this means exactly nothing. the a pickers aren't in any way different from the non-a pickers.
1299225;1444871579;mircea_popescu;"oh, the end of their world is visible from our world". a) no, it isn't ; b) so ?
1299226;1444871789;mircea_popescu;in a very amusing (to me) twist, this is actually in the fucking patristics (the wanna-be mishnah of xtianity). "your reward be not of this world" etc.
1299227;1444871805;asciilifeform;i thought that was a standard 'jam tomorrow'
1299228;1444871807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00047798 = 11.5193 BTC [+]
1299229;1444871834;mircea_popescu;so you did.
1299230;1444871846;mircea_popescu;but if there's one criticism that can not be put at the feet of the scholasticis, it is superficiality.
1299231;1444871901;mircea_popescu;it's a very plain statement that dunning-kruger, and consequently, the reward for being not an idiot is not accessible in idiot terms.
1299232;1444871911;asciilifeform;this - yes.
1299233;1444871916;mircea_popescu;this for some reason has to be stated.
1299234;1444871974;asciilifeform;hell, this was even in (pre-braindamage) paul graham
1299235;1444871977;asciilifeform;in his 'blub' article.
1299236;1444871990;mircea_popescu;generally it is a common mark of middling sanity.
1299237;1444872001;asciilifeform;http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html << it.
1299238;1444872008;assbot;Beating the Averages ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbsH4p )
1299239;1444872012;mircea_popescu;but back to our point of interest : your expectation that "z80" and "pentium" costs can be meaningfully compared breaks down.
1299240;1444872029;mircea_popescu;when they can be compared, z80 loses. where they be meaningfully compared, common ground breaks down.
1299241;1444872063;mircea_popescu;so - efficient markets, yes. but only if markets. and there's no guarantee everything you imagine can be a market.
1299242;1444872091;mircea_popescu;this is trivially understood either through geometry or high physics. there are fewer things than you can write equations for.
1299243;1444872125;asciilifeform;recall the crashing flashlight ?
1299244;1444872132;mircea_popescu;aha.
1299245;1444872215;asciilifeform;and yes, cost is not a scalar. but as someone who actually buys things i am led to partially differentiate. i.e. if i personally need max cpu ~quantity~ for my personal bag of money, i will be buying z80.
1299246;1444872234;mircea_popescu;and if you want maximum sploodge for your penis you buy brunettes.
1299247;1444872236;mircea_popescu;what of it ?
1299248;1444872248;mircea_popescu;art is art.
1299249;1444872356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17138 @ 0.00047617 = 8.1606 BTC [-]
1299250;1444872661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00047526 = 23.763 BTC [-] {3} 
1299251;1444873027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20698 @ 0.00047798 = 9.8932 BTC [+]
1299252;1444873235;nubbins`;sez u
1299253;1444873409;mircea_popescu;LOL
1299254;1444873942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00047329 = 6.4367 BTC [-] {3} 
1299255;1444873951;BingoBoingo;Oh, nubbins` the celebrity is back
1299256;1444874289;nubbins`;8)
1299257;1444874307;nubbins`;autographs for only 5 tx fees
1299258;1444874613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00047262 = 3.0333 BTC [-] {2} 
1299259;1444875328;BingoBoingo;lol
1299260;1444876162;mircea_popescu;haha
1299261;1444876170;mircea_popescu;how much for autogripes ?
1299262;1444876226;BingoBoingo;!t m s.butts
1299263;1444876226;assbot;I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
1299264;1444876230;BingoBoingo;^Free
1299265;1444877480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00047259 = 9.6645 BTC [-]
1299266;1444877663;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00047556 = 6.7292 BTC [+]
1299267;1444877838;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You around?
1299268;1444877879;BingoBoingo;Or anyone else who wants to cut their teeth on a qntra story?
1299269;1444878212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00047742 = 10.3973 BTC [+] {2} 
1299270;1444878358;mircea_popescu;"If you ever do find yourself working for a startup, here's a handy tip for evaluating competitors. Read their job listings. Everything else on their site may be stock photos or the prose equivalent, but the job listings have to be specific about what they want, or they'll get the wrong candidates." << this is actually very much correct.
1299271;1444878369;mircea_popescu;"we don't care what the unknown animal sounds like. what does it eat ?"
1299272;1444878406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this misses a fairly big chunk of reality, where hiring is not done publicly but through meatwot
1299273;1444878419;asciilifeform;esp. in small firms
1299274;1444878424;mircea_popescu;aha.
1299275;1444878430;mircea_popescu;but you know WHO they hired.
1299276;1444878434;asciilifeform;how?
1299277;1444878439;mircea_popescu;ok.
1299278;1444878442;mircea_popescu;but I know who they hired.
1299279;1444878457;asciilifeform;only if you have a mole
1299280;1444878516;mircea_popescu;i've seen many skins, i've yet to meet one without a single mole on it.
1299281;1444878520;mircea_popescu;investigation continues.
1299282;1444879106;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299118 << would be entertaining to hear more of this
1299283;1444879106;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./
1299284;1444879110;BingoBoingo;Seriously if anyone wants a ready packed "My First Qntra Piece" http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12538849.html
1299285;1444879110;assbot;Investment in Factom - London Stock Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1k63f7o )
1299286;1444879159;mircea_popescu;not really too much to tell. buncha old dudes who couldn't really afford to live in the states [to their expectations], hitting the casinos and the 5 foot nothing whores of san jose.
1299287;1444879187;asciilifeform;aka 'brass pole in bangkok'
1299288;1444879189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6942 @ 0.00047797 = 3.3181 BTC [+] {2} 
1299289;1444879199;mircea_popescu;except cheaper.
1299290;1444879240;asciilifeform;but where's the 'ustardation' ? all i see thus far is poverty
1299291;1444879268;mircea_popescu;in the pretense.
1299292;1444879295;mircea_popescu;seriously, if all yhou have are "not enough money to be a retired midwestern mobster" what you do is go south and try to pretend ?
1299293;1444879325;asciilifeform;pretense how? is the refrigerator box a hobo lives in a pretense of a house ? or merely the only house he can afford
1299294;1444879330;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : cargo cult is what savages / pacific islanders / subhuman monkeys do as a reaction to exposure to actual hjuman beings and their civilisation.
1299295;1444879358;asciilifeform;but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane
1299296;1444879366;asciilifeform;vs one of sticks and mud
1299297;1444879476;asciilifeform;'Factom's software allows companies to maintain a permanent, time-stamped record of their data tied to blockchains, reducing the cost and complexity of conducting audits, managing records, and complying with government regulations. n the financial services industry, Factom tools let customers build transparent accountability systems for the financial industry, helping clients build immutable records that can be synced and shar
1299298;1444879476;asciilifeform;ed among multiple parties. The validation and verification tools let the client audit these transactions in real time or run more sophisticated business process analysis of systems in the future.'
1299299;1444879501;asciilifeform;'blockchains'
1299300;1444879591;*;asciilifeform is mildly curious re: whether this flavour of nonsense even pretends to physically exist, as product, or is straight bezzle laundry
1299301;1444879620;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Story is in Crowdfunders are now recast as "software licensees"
1299302;1444879650;asciilifeform;lulzy
1299303;1444879668;asciilifeform;advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot
1299304;1444879690;BingoBoingo;Low hanging, yet not particularly urgent fruit for anyone who wants to try their hand at a qntra
1299305;1444879920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16879 @ 0.00047798 = 8.0678 BTC [+]
1299306;1444880347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00047259 = 11.7911 BTC [-]
1299307;1444880591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9332 @ 0.00047259 = 4.4102 BTC [-]
1299308;1444881323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00047512 = 13.1371 BTC [+]
1299309;1444882177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00047259 = 11.9329 BTC [-] {2} 
1299310;1444883397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0004769 = 4.4352 BTC [+] {3} 
1299311;1444883649;BingoBoingo;Oh, look what third world shithole will be the beneficiary of Twitter-Payments Edition's IPO http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ferguson-could-be-beneficiary-of-square-public-offering/article_353be58d-0e55-58b1-881d-94da6ad52e07.html
1299312;1444883650;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJiyOD )
1299313;1444883679;BingoBoingo;"The first beneficiary of the foundation, Dorsey said via Twitter, would be Ferguson, a city that he visited during the unrest that followed the August 2014 fatal shooting of Michael Brown, 18, by police Officer Darren Wilson."
1299314;1444885003;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/10/13/something-has-happened-to-zafgen-but-what
1299315;1444885005;assbot;Something Has Happened to Zafgen, But What?  |  In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QfIF )
1299316;1444885092;BingoBoingo;Their chem http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/10/17/zafgens_epoxide_adventure
1299317;1444885093;assbot;Zafgen’s Epoxide Adventure  |  In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QlA0 )
1299318;1444885471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15047 @ 0.00047798 = 7.1922 BTC [+]
1299319;1444888018;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/HqgnT << BMI... actually seems pretty reliable
1299320;1444888019;assbot;This Is What Women With The Same BMI Look Like Side By Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpLMqD )
1299321;1444888277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15717 @ 0.00047783 = 7.5101 BTC [-]
1299322;1444888765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00047388 = 15.8039 BTC [-] {5} 
1299323;1444892304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00047789 = 7.0728 BTC [+] {3} 
1299324;1444893463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16308 @ 0.00047798 = 7.7949 BTC [+]
1299325;1444893524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7592 @ 0.00047804 = 3.6293 BTC [+]
1299326;1444893646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00047625 = 11.2871 BTC [-]
1299327;1444895110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13089 @ 0.00047804 = 6.2571 BTC [+]
1299328;1444896086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00047785 = 11.4206 BTC [-] {3} 
1299329;1444896208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5834 @ 0.00047811 = 2.7893 BTC [+]
1299330;1444896391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19879 @ 0.00048274 = 9.5964 BTC [+] {3} 
1299331;1444896635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00048297 = 28.302 BTC [+] {2} 
1299332;1444896696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4197 @ 0.0004813 = 2.02 BTC [-]
1299333;1444897672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00047829 = 10.642 BTC [-] {3} 
1299334;1444899046;davout;ohai all
1299335;1444899075;BingoBoingo;hai
1299336;1444899128;punkman;bon dia
1299337;1444899148;davout;tlp article "Academics Hide Drug Company Payments" pretty interesting, and definitely not limited to pharma
1299338;1444899184;davout;kept relating it to other flavors of stupidity while reading it
1299339;1444899757;punkman;http://www.hebaamin.com/arabian-street-artists-bomb-homeland-why-we-hacked-an-award-winning-series/
1299340;1444899953;punkman;might as well be "viral marketing" from the studio that runs that
1299341;1444900101;punkman;https://citizenlab.org/2015/10/mapping-finfishers-continuing-proliferation/
1299342;1444900103;assbot;Pay No Attention to the Server Behind the Proxy: Mapping FinFisher’s Continuing Proliferation - The Citizen Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDdmMh )
1299343;1444900295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00047407 = 14.5777 BTC [-] {4} 
1299344;1444900915;davout;punkman: aka "the dangers of getting asian stuff inked"
1299345;1444900962;funkenstein_;http://dpaste.com/0MJK5WR  <--  this noob (/me) can't figure out how that was made
1299346;1444900963;assbot;dpaste: 0MJK5WR ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfpjk )
1299347;1444901022;davout;funkenstein_: what was?
1299348;1444901036;funkenstein_;gpg encrypted message for "everyone"
1299349;1444901082;funkenstein_;just ascii armor i guess but how to make it?
1299350;1444901146;davout;looks signed and armored
1299351;1444901149;davout;not encrypted
1299352;1444901179;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_ punkman davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299284 will stay open for at least a few more hours if anyone wants to give it a try
1299353;1444901179;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 03:18:30; BingoBoingo: Seriously if anyone wants a ready packed "My First Qntra Piece" http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12538849.html
1299354;1444901193;davout;http://dpaste.com/10DHB52
1299355;1444901199;assbot;dpaste: 10DHB52 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfROq )
1299356;1444901245;davout;$11mn pre-money. lol.
1299357;1444901314;davout;"when it completes its anticipated Series A funding in the first half of 2016." <<< sure.
1299358;1444901328;funkenstein_;aha thanks davout, so "gpg --sign -a mytext.txt" is how it was made
1299359;1444901708;funkenstein_;"For the 9 months ended 30 September 2015 Factom had gross sales of US$628,337 (resulting in a trading loss of US$358,142 for the period). "
1299360;1444901731;funkenstein_;sorry Bingo I can't figure out whats going on here :P
1299361;1444901746;BingoBoingo;funkenstein_: Story is what happened to the crowdfunders...
1299362;1444901755;BingoBoingo;Already in log
1299363;1444901799;davout;!s factom
1299364;1444901800;assbot;2 results for 'factom' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=factom
1299365;1444901802;funkenstein_;well then those are some gross sales
1299366;1444901858;davout;BingoBoingo: pls to point
1299367;1444901927;BingoBoingo;davout: Crowdfunders got converted to vaporware "software licensees" not really urgent or important. Just opportunity for anyone who wants to try sharpening their vitriol.
1299368;1444901942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00047213 = 4.9574 BTC [-] {2} 
1299369;1444902168;davout;aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
1299370;1444902226;davout;so basically the first crowdsale scam is used to pimp the financial reports of the company, in order to pull off the second scam, the the seed round
1299371;1444902229;davout;fucking brilliant
1299372;1444902498;BingoBoingo;<davout> aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens << NOt even tokens, licenses
1299373;1444902528;BingoBoingo;But yeah. Easy way for someone who wants to test their outrage organ to try a qntra.
1299374;1444902735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00047183 = 9.7197 BTC [-] {4} 
1299375;1444902766;HeySteve;https://beyondbitcoin.org/charles-hoskinson-critiques-bitshares-technology-adoption-management-and-respect/
1299376;1444902766;assbot;Charles Hoskinson Critiques BitShares Technology, Adoption, Management and Respect - Beyondbitcoin.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIbuLP )
1299377;1444902880;punkman;BingoBoingo: I think "software license" was there because they didn't want to say "coin"
1299378;1444902919;BingoBoingo;punkman: That is a poor way to be a charitable reader.
1299379;1444903165;HeySteve;I'm interested in BTS for a project to secure rental deposits using cryptocurrency
1299380;1444903234;HeySteve;alternatives methods involve centralised services
1299381;1444903256;punkman;BingoBoingo: the "1500 software purchasers" refers to buyers of their token sale, not the equity sale
1299382;1444903283;BingoBoingo;Are you sure?
1299383;1444903284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0004711 = 5.8181 BTC [-]
1299384;1444903290;punkman;https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/2087/_factom-inc-bringing-the-blockchain-to-business.html
1299385;1444903292;assbot;Factom Inc. - Bringing the Blockchain to Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiCUjq )
1299386;1444903317;punkman;they also sold 7.8% of their shares to a 3rd party which then sold to 406 crowdfunders
1299387;1444903363;BingoBoingo;There's subtleties to this mess
1299388;1444903391;punkman;whoever wrote the londonstockexchange announcement just looked at the coindesk article
1299389;1444903455;BingoBoingo;Or did they write the coindesk article?
1299390;1444903464;BingoBoingo;Or some other sort of inbreeding
1299391;1444903465;BingoBoingo;?
1299392;1444903666;punkman;also Factom Foundation and Factom Inc are supposedly separate entities
1299393;1444903728;punkman;so I guess first token sale was done by the "Foundation", then "Inc" sold some more tokens and equity
1299394;1444903791;BingoBoingo;There's a lotta scamception here, yes
1299395;1444903841;BingoBoingo;But if any actual person is losing their shirt to Factom it is too late to save them.
1299396;1444904087;shinohai;I still want to do a Qntra piece BingoBoingo, dunno if I can do a factom story. Wow though.
1299397;1444904114;BingoBoingo;Give it a try. I'll be sleeping soon. No hurry.
1299398;1444904402;punkman;shinohai: well if you go for it, here's a starting point http://blog.factom.org/post/113836562744/announcing-the-factom-software-sale
1299399;1444904408;assbot;Factom — Announcing the Factom Software Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiFohy )
1299400;1444904778;davout;punkman: wow, the foundation vs. inc thing does sound scammy as fuck. in addition to the business model itself that is :D
1299401;1444904838;punkman;this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
1299402;1444904864;punkman;I think I should make a little script that does the reverse, if you have js turned on, it deletes all the page contents
1299403;1444905108;punkman;meanwhiles google no longer gives a fuck http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2015/10/deprecating-our-ajax-crawling-scheme.html
1299404;1444905109;assbot;Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Deprecating our AJAX crawling scheme ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiGRoe )
1299405;1444905462;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3oqmzc/malleability_stresstests_and_other_bitcoin/
1299406;1444905463;assbot;Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiHE8H )
1299407;1444905976;davout;guy rings on doorbells before running away laughing, "i can nuke your mansion"?
1299408;1444906030;davout;either extremely stupid, or subtly trolling /r/buttcoin
1299409;1444906553;shinohai;Trolling everyone that will listen, wasn't that the motherboard attention whore ?
1299410;1444906761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0004782 = 11.9072 BTC [+] {3} 
1299411;1444907284;davout;shinohai: looks like it
1299412;1444907412;jurov;https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
1299413;1444907413;assbot;How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
1299414;1444907432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00047737 = 8.1153 BTC [-] {3} 
1299415;1444907437;jurov;"For the most common strength of Diffie-Hellman (1024 bits), it would cost a few hundred million dollars to build a machine, based on special purpose hardware, that would be able to crack one Diffie-Hellman prime every year."
1299416;1444908042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00047989 = 2.5914 BTC [+]
1299417;1444908350;jurov;;;isup qntra.net
1299418;1444908356;gribble;qntra.net is up
1299419;1444909567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00047676 = 10.2265 BTC [-]
1299420;1444909933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23775 @ 0.00048029 = 11.4189 BTC [+] {3} 
1299421;1444911938;davout;jurov: pretty interdasting
1299422;1444912251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00047529 = 9.7568 BTC [-] {3} 
1299423;1444913837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7484 @ 0.0004729 = 3.5392 BTC [-] {2} 
1299424;1444914386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00047191 = 9.6034 BTC [-] {2} 
1299425;1444916704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00048121 = 12.8724 BTC [+] {3} 
1299426;1444918717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17790 @ 0.00047524 = 8.4545 BTC [-]
1299427;1444919037;shinohai;LAWL >>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/14/illinois_lottery_short_on_cash_starts_paying_ious.html
1299428;1444919043;assbot;Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
1299429;1444919102;davout;"paying"
1299430;1444919510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00047262 = 14.604 BTC [-]
1299431;1444919661;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COUfYy8UsAA8TWF.png
1299432;1444919661;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7eMn6 )
1299433;1444919999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6031 @ 0.00047262 = 2.8504 BTC [-]
1299434;1444920669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114300 @ 0.00047871 = 54.7166 BTC [+] {8} 
1299435;1444921752;mircea_popescu;o look at that, time for the monthly ddos trilema exercise in futility ?
1299436;1444921944;jurov;dig qntra.net @8.8.8.8 gets SERVFAIL
1299437;1444921950;jurov;from here
1299438;1444921977;jurov;trilema.com same
1299439;1444922005;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299295 << except we weren't discussing iceboxes, we were discussing iphones ; and "casinos" and business organizers bought on time.
1299440;1444922005;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 03:22:38; asciilifeform: but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane
1299441;1444922009;mircea_popescu;or at least i was at any rate.
1299442;1444922029;mircea_popescu;jurov aha.
1299443;1444922198;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299303 << all soviets forever produce record productions of products.
1299444;1444922198;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 03:27:48; asciilifeform: advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot
1299445;1444922201;mircea_popescu;it's the thing.
1299446;1444922291;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299334 << hola. will be sending your thing later today!
1299447;1444922291;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 08:50:46; davout: ohai all
1299448;1444922366;davout;a happiness is me
1299449;1444922372;mircea_popescu;lol
1299450;1444922377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00048433 = 10.2678 BTC [+] {4} 
1299451;1444923414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00048608 = 13.1242 BTC [+] {3} 
1299452;1444923773;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299369 << reddit did this exact thing.
1299453;1444923773;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 09:42:48; davout: aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
1299454;1444923779;mircea_popescu;sec had nothing to say on the topic.
1299455;1444923920;mircea_popescu;assbot: Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. << "me being fat, stupid, and other problems of reality"
1299456;1444923948;mircea_popescu;yeah, im totally ultra-sure bitcoin cares about all the particular way people who got their egos wounded by it misunderstand or misrepresent it.
1299457;1444924022;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299428 <<< bwhahaha.
1299458;1444924022;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 14:24:03; assbot: Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
1299459;1444924039;mircea_popescu;this isn't a scam however.
1299460;1444924047;mircea_popescu;it's only a scam if not-government does it.
1299461;1444924053;mircea_popescu;if government does it, it's governance.
1299462;1444924385;phf;but no reason to mention what % is maggot << no reason because su had maggot % written into GOSTs. any more or less, and you're vreditel and counterrevolutionary. in america all meat has maggots because customers come to expect, unless you buy at gourmet store in which case ask specifically for "maggot free"
1299463;1444924439;mircea_popescu;lol insufficient maggot in meat wrecking natl economy!
1299464;1444924466;mircea_popescu;tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!"
1299465;1444924525;mircea_popescu;"For the nerds in the audience, here�s what�s wrong: If a client and server are speaking Diffie-Hellman, they first need to agree on a large prime number with a particular form. There seemed to be no reason why everyone couldn�t just use the same prime, and, in fact, many applications tend to use standardized or hard-coded primes. But there was a very important detail that got lost in translation between the math
1299466;1444924525;mircea_popescu;ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to �crack� a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
1299467;1444924526;mircea_popescu;derp.
1299468;1444924573;*;mircea_popescu vaguely remembers an obscure discussion about exponents and whatnot, which consisted of a guy asking on some derp social media sites about one of my articles, and getting an "expert" answer within hours. 
1299469;1444924600;mircea_popescu;much to everyone's feigned surprise, ITS THE STANDARDS, STUPID.
1299470;1444925610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00048301 = 1.7388 BTC [-]
1299471;1444925787;shinohai;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/10/14/d-c-church-says-a-bike-lane-would-infringe-upon-its-constitutional-rights-of-religious-freedom/
1299472;1444925788;assbot;D.C. church says a bike lane would infringe upon its constitutional ‘rights of religious freedom’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msc4PA )
1299473;1444925831;punkman;is it the Church of Hamplanets?
1299474;1444925966;shinohai;xD
1299475;1444926020;mircea_popescu;win
1299476;1444926026;mircea_popescu;fucking bike lanes.
1299477;1444926086;davout;"The parking loss would place an unconstitutionally undue burden on people who want to pray, the church argues"
1299478;1444926097;shinohai;I suppose it never occurred to them to pray about it, leave it in God's hands and all.
1299479;1444926103;shinohai;./s
1299480;1444926109;davout;nutjobs
1299481;1444926148;mircea_popescu;lol
1299482;1444926183;mircea_popescu;argentina is pretty much the only place i've seen that has the sanity to cut bike lanes out of the street. everyone seems to always cut them out of fucking sidewalks.
1299483;1444926215;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/me.JPG
1299484;1444926216;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MscCFl )
1299485;1444926218;davout;dutch bike lanes, best bike lanes
1299486;1444926224;davout;fietspads yo
1299487;1444926292;davout;the netherlands, the place where they cut roads from bike lanes
1299488;1444926328;mircea_popescu;i see a road and a sidewalk
1299489;1444926330;davout;"Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté, Luxe, calme et volupté."
1299490;1444926338;mircea_popescu;and if a bunch of biking fucktards move on that sidewalk ima start carrying a billy club
1299491;1444926403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3232 @ 0.00047495 = 1.535 BTC [-]
1299492;1444926428;shinohai;There was a guy lived a few streets over that got locked up for throwing water-filled condoms at any Mexican that rode by his house on a bike.
1299493;1444926467;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299494;1444926494;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: caltrops!
1299495;1444926512;davout;such haet
1299496;1444926539;mircea_popescu;no but i fucking hate that shit. "you know what we'll do to fix the problem of dumbass cars encroaching on pedestrian everything ? we'll make cheaper cvasi-cars so all the dumbass hipsters who can't afford a car can still get in your way"
1299497;1444926579;mircea_popescu;i occasionally ~used to~ have altercation with dumbass bike derps who not only were on the sidewalk but had the unmitigated audacity to ring their dumbass bell.
1299498;1444926597;davout;lol
1299499;1444926603;mircea_popescu;i suppose i looked enough like i was gonna fucking kill them on the spot that they bitched and ran off each time, but hot damned i regret not having fed one his wheel.
1299500;1444926627;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i always found it peculiar that bicycles are permitted on normal roads where i live - but not horses
1299501;1444926631;mircea_popescu;"oh, the town house painted a line on the sidewalk so it's half bycicle route now"
1299502;1444926632;mircea_popescu;"ima paint a line on your ass so it's half train depot"
1299503;1444926633;ascii_field;horse is faster
1299504;1444926643;shinohai;I have a bike, but around here you just ride in the damned street. I only use mine downtown to *avoid* traffic
1299505;1444926648;ascii_field;bicyclist causes column of cars behind him to waste far more fuel than he ever could hope to save
1299506;1444926688;mircea_popescu;fuck the whole lot of them, but if im running into bikers on the sidewalk ima get hteir heads.
1299507;1444926745;mircea_popescu;anyway, i must confess in this respect ba is very mp-conformant.
1299508;1444926786;mircea_popescu;nice wide sidewalks, and the biking nonsense is mostly in palermo (fucktard/ustard/libtard ghetto, where the diners have no service and the girls no sense of the cock.)
1299509;1444926828;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY <<< bike lanes look sane
1299510;1444926829;assbot;Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msdt8V )
1299511;1444926847;phf;i like alleycat races..
1299512;1444926888;davout;anyway, best bike, is motor bike
1299513;1444926967;davout;highway's left lane, best bike lane
1299514;1444926986;mircea_popescu;eh get an unicycle.
1299515;1444927034;mike_c;ascii_field: bicycles don't crap in the street.
1299516;1444927037;shinohai;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o   <<< mircea_popescu if the were bicyclists
1299517;1444927038;assbot;A Bronx Tale "now youse cant leave" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsdKbO )
1299518;1444927042;shinohai;*they
1299519;1444927063;mircea_popescu;lol
1299520;1444927086;mircea_popescu;mike_c it's kinda good if you think about it. ma-nure. ma, which is good...
1299521;1444927127;mike_c;polyglot jokes go straight over my head :)
1299522;1444927144;ascii_field;mike_c: cars (at least as seen in usa) ~do~ shit on the street
1299523;1444927159;mike_c;they do, and the oil is annoying, but it doesn't smell as bad.
1299524;1444927162;ascii_field;not oil
1299525;1444927168;ascii_field;rubbish thrown from window
1299526;1444927227;mike_c;yes, but shit metaphorically is not as bad as shit actually.
1299527;1444927271;mircea_popescu;"The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Joh
1299528;1444927271;mircea_popescu;nny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else.
1299529;1444927271;mircea_popescu;[...]
1299530;1444927273;mircea_popescu;Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
1299531;1444927278;mircea_popescu;your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
1299532;1444927282;mircea_popescu;ha!
1299533;1444927284;mircea_popescu;i was looking for this, yesterday.
1299534;1444927344;davout;shinohai: pretty cool
1299535;1444927346;mircea_popescu;the funny thing about "groups advocating influentially in media they don't own or control" is that the famelic good for nothing hipsters propose that THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. ie, being someone's cockpuppet is somehow worthy, whereas if trump writes "fuck you" in his own fucking magazine, that's somehow "not fair" and you know, of "lesser value".
1299536;1444927380;mircea_popescu;and THEN they wanna be all "successful", or perceived as such, because hey, of the 5000 of them, one's necessarily gonna dribble in the general direction of future events by sheer happenstance - that's your successful dude!11
1299537;1444927382;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1299538;1444927422;shinohai;davout One of teh best movies evah
1299539;1444927479;mircea_popescu;If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and to
1299540;1444927479;mircea_popescu;o-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 he
1299541;1444927480;mircea_popescu;'d backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing.
1299542;1444927505;mircea_popescu;anyway. im done with spamming ballas before i end up with his entire collected works in the log.
1299543;1444927540;ascii_field;we might already have them all in the log
1299544;1444927550;ascii_field;(as with naggum)
1299545;1444927599;mircea_popescu;in triplicate!
1299546;1444927745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25113 @ 0.00047186 = 11.8498 BTC [-] {3} 
1299547;1444927841;davout;this kinda sounded familiar
1299548;1444927876;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998598 <<< that's why heh
1299549;1444927876;assbot;Logged on 30-01-2015 17:27:51; mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad
1299550;1444927928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00047301 = 2.7331 BTC [+]
1299551;1444927953;davout;http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2015/10/15/20005-20151015ARTFIG00087-volkswagen-l-allemagne-ordonne-le-rappel-de-24-millions-de-voitures.php <<< and so it begins
1299552;1444927955;assbot;L'Allemagne se fâche, Volkswagen rappelle 8,5 millions de véhicules
1299553;1444928038;ascii_field;and what, idiots will eagerly bring'em in for crippleware reflash ?
1299554;1444928049;davout;apparently that's the plan
1299555;1444928073;ascii_field;or does fr refuse citizens the sacred freedom to pollute ?
1299556;1444928083;mircea_popescu;i guess we get to find out how american europeans are these days
1299557;1444928155;davout;we do have occasional pollution checks
1299558;1444928179;shinohai;http://www.vice.com/read/the-philippines-is-still-pissed-off-that-vancouver-is-using-it-as-a-giant-garbage-bin-vgtrn   <<< Canada likes pollution
1299559;1444928185;assbot;The Philippines Is Still Pissed Off That Canada Is Using It as a Giant Garbage Bin  | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFrrcb )
1299560;1444928578;davout;http://www.lemonde.fr/education/article/2015/10/15/en-moselle-des-enfants-testent-des-fusils-d-assaut-dans-leur-ecole_4790463_1473685.html <<< win
1299561;1444928579;assbot;En Moselle, des enfants testent des fusils d’assaut dans leur école ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFsSas )
1299562;1444929355;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299563;1444929360;ascii_field;;;isup qntra.net
1299564;1444929366;gribble;qntra.net is up
1299565;1444929369;ascii_field;mno
1299566;1444929528;mircea_popescu;haha what, you got a host to suggest ?
1299567;1444929596;ascii_field;not presently
1299568;1444929622;mircea_popescu;in other b-a news : world infrastructure is shit. in all respects, at every turn, everything.
1299569;1444929631;ascii_field;ny000z at 11!
1299570;1444929636;mircea_popescu;and bike is the new car.
1299571;1444929649;ascii_field;mno, grinding wheel is the new car
1299572;1444929692;mircea_popescu;iirc they had flying cars in the 20s, but then the socialists wanted to supress them and pretend like the street going car is the thing to get because that was all you can afford.
1299573;1444929704;mircea_popescu;hitler didn't want to go for this so they invaded germany to saddam hussein him.
1299574;1444929723;mircea_popescu;and now even cars are too much for the socialist derp to afford. so make way for the much "better" bike!
1299575;1444929919;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299466 << dh is an atavistic barbarism
1299576;1444929919;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 15:55:25; mircea_popescu: ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to �crack� a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
1299577;1444929965;mircea_popescu;this is also why we use 4096.
1299578;1444929969;mircea_popescu;not so clear how much longer.
1299579;1444929975;ascii_field;and, to the extent it is used as popularly imagined ('two parties with no prior relation') easily mitmable and impossible to use as intended even in principle.
1299580;1444929996;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: we don't use dh!
1299581;1444929998;ascii_field;at least ~i~ don't
1299582;1444930062;ascii_field;http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffie-HellmanProtocol.html << for n00bz
1299583;1444930064;assbot;Diffie-Hellman Protocol -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFyl0R )
1299584;1444930080;mircea_popescu;its in ssh innit ?
1299585;1444930124;ascii_field;it is traditionally in it, yes
1299586;1444930130;ascii_field;but ssh is a very configurable animal.
1299587;1444930170;mircea_popescu;but you're still going to use what the server can use.
1299588;1444930178;ascii_field;(a civilized setup will have rsa backing on both sides)
1299589;1444930188;mircea_popescu;my browser is also a very configurable animal, and the configuration mostly results in blank pages and "your site can't be used" emails.
1299590;1444930225;ascii_field;i can't recall the last time i ssh'd to something which i did not either set up personally or know the keeper of in meatspace.
1299591;1444930249;ascii_field;well, come to think of it, i can...
1299592;1444930283;ascii_field;RIP dulap
1299593;1444930525;mircea_popescu;how do you personally set up servers other than in physical proximity ?
1299594;1444930543;mircea_popescu;(i'm asking to learn!)
1299595;1444930549;ascii_field;one traditional method is the spot-welder school of thought.
1299596;1444930584;ascii_field;(configure the box, weld, deliver to pedestal)
1299597;1444930624;mircea_popescu;but you gotta be physically there.
1299598;1444930659;ascii_field;why?
1299599;1444930698;mircea_popescu;how do you weld at a distance ?
1299600;1444930711;ascii_field;you configure and weld at home.
1299601;1444930714;ascii_field;then post the box.
1299602;1444930728;ascii_field;(with courier, naturally)
1299603;1444930735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00048231 = 12.2507 BTC [+]
1299604;1444930776;ascii_field;ideally, you carry it to its resting place and arm the motion sensor personally.
1299605;1444930803;ascii_field;(lose keys if dislodged, etc)
1299606;1444930820;mircea_popescu;is this pretty much an exercise in runaway complexity ?
1299607;1444930825;ascii_field;no
1299608;1444930848;ascii_field;it is an exercise in approximating a solution where no clean solution exists.
1299609;1444930852;mircea_popescu;where do you buy the motion sensors ?
1299610;1444930863;mircea_popescu;this happens to be THE definition of runaway complexity.
1299611;1444930939;mircea_popescu;let's go at it the other way. first, historical recount :
1299612;1444930974;ascii_field;i see nothing 'runaway' about it. i can personally name five vendors for piezoelectric gyro, magnetometric, etc. sensors just from my head
1299613;1444930975;mircea_popescu;so we decided more or less on a lark to phuctor/s.nsa server. on the general expectation that hey, "commodified market" means you get stuff and it works and forget about it.
1299614;1444930980;ascii_field;and none cost more than 20bux
1299615;1444931017;mircea_popescu;it turns out that this is not true : "commodified market" actually means that there is no market - you can either not have a server and think you don't have a server ; or else not have a server and think you have a server. those two, no third and sure as fuck no having servers.
1299616;1444931041;mircea_popescu;seems a little twisting the screw is in order. fine. how do we go about it ?
1299617;1444931046;mircea_popescu;but reasonably, mind.
1299618;1444931049;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and to think, we could have carried on 'thinking we have a server' if phuctor had found nothing.
1299619;1444931058;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1299620;1444931088;mircea_popescu;so the correct approach here would be for coloing boxes you personaly doctor and fedex to location ?
1299621;1444931099;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what would it cost to house it in physical plant you actually own ?
1299622;1444931116;mircea_popescu;i don't want to connect these, so infinity.
1299623;1444931148;mircea_popescu;but this is implementation, i was discussing design
1299624;1444931149;ascii_field;know anyone who might ?
1299625;1444931182;mircea_popescu;who might ? dozens of people.
1299626;1444931191;mircea_popescu;might is the mind killer.
1299627;1444931200;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299628;1444931232;ascii_field;... design ?
1299629;1444931243;ascii_field;as in, what to place in the crate ?
1299630;1444931262;mircea_popescu;no, of the process.
1299631;1444931305;ascii_field;process, much as i am loathe to admit it, would have to involve an airplane and a trip to some godforsaken pesthole.
1299632;1444931324;ascii_field;because fedex is an invitation to hitler's can opener
1299633;1444931351;mircea_popescu;basically, trying rto sound out a sort of "b-a best practices hardware server upbringing"
1299634;1444931367;ascii_field;but iirc mircea_popescu asked for 'reasonable'
1299635;1444931378;mircea_popescu;as a last ditch before going "fuck this shit, all our things are to be held on zombie computers"
1299636;1444931584;ascii_field;at any rate, the procedure i suggested is only half a solution. because it merely helps to establish the fact of the betrayal ('caught man-sized figure moving near cabinet, power lost in 3 seconds'; 'chassis lost power for 10 minutes, moves three metres' etc)
1299637;1444931592;ascii_field;but can do nothing else.
1299638;1444931606;ascii_field;still stuck with the misery of moving from host to host.
1299639;1444931621;mircea_popescu;more importantly, how about some basic skuldulgery on the boards ?
1299640;1444931634;mircea_popescu;like, physically cut the races for impi or w/e bullshit.\
1299641;1444931648;ascii_field;trivial
1299642;1444931670;ascii_field;but there is no reason anyone should be able to get inside the box without triggering the scram.
1299643;1444931672;mircea_popescu;this sort of thing. costs nothing to do, completely blows minds on the other side.
1299644;1444931683;mircea_popescu;whart do you care, scram.
1299645;1444931694;mircea_popescu;the point is not to protect who knows what secrets that shouldn't be there anyway.
1299646;1444931701;mircea_popescu;the point is to entice the enemy into spending his shirt.
1299647;1444931708;ascii_field;then my cameraball.
1299648;1444931713;mircea_popescu;(something he's more than willing to do - hey, needs more budget)
1299649;1444931716;ascii_field;(see ancient thread)
1299650;1444931728;mircea_popescu;you want a saltwater datacenter ?
1299651;1444931737;ascii_field;wouldn't that be spiffy
1299652;1444931742;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1299653;1444931795;ascii_field;cameraball is a hypothetical device consisting of sealed pyrex sphere with two fish-eye cameras inside. charged and addressed via induction coil. contains a certain amount of eeprom, signs each frame with rsa key, which is zeroed if the glass is penetrated.
1299654;1444931810;mircea_popescu;dude srsly.
1299655;1444931816;ascii_field;srsly.
1299656;1444931817;mircea_popescu;who's gonna watch the cameras, moiety ?
1299657;1444931823;ascii_field;not real time
1299658;1444931828;ascii_field;you drop a few in the crate.
1299659;1444931830;mircea_popescu;stop solving the sexy problems.
1299660;1444931833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00047301 = 2.6252 BTC [-]
1299661;1444931842;mircea_popescu;there's actual problems ripe for solving.
1299662;1444931842;ascii_field;if they are molested or missing - you know the crate was.
1299663;1444931847;mircea_popescu;was what ?
1299664;1444931853;ascii_field;molested.
1299665;1444931855;mircea_popescu;so ?
1299666;1444931864;mircea_popescu;file a complaint with fedex ?
1299667;1444931878;mircea_popescu;im not spending 50k in fisheye to be able to make a ten cent report.
1299668;1444931917;ascii_field;camera is expensive, compared to doing nothing. cheap compared to sending men on airplanes.
1299669;1444931930;mircea_popescu;is there such a thing as thermo-conducive epoxy ?
1299670;1444931942;ascii_field;sure
1299671;1444931945;ascii_field;got a tube right here.
1299672;1444931951;mircea_popescu;how much is it ?
1299673;1444931953;ascii_field;(silver flakes)
1299674;1444931963;ascii_field;costs about what silver costs, per g.
1299675;1444931992;mircea_popescu;so if i do something like, "cut raqces, submerge board in 1U epoxy" its gonna cost me > 200 each
1299676;1444932013;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: board will not function. thermoconductive epoxy is electroconductive.
1299677;1444932028;ascii_field;and at any rate will add parasitic capacitance to mb traces.
1299678;1444932066;ascii_field;epoxy 'potting' went out of fashion in '70s for this reason.
1299679;1444932118;*;ascii_field pictures 'kakobreklaa' in finland
1299680;1444932194;ascii_field;'Korsuissa kamina, / siellä pelataan nakkia, raminaa, / on meillä Fritzit ja Maxit / ja Petropamaxit, juu!' (tm) (r) (1941)
1299681;1444932207;kakobrekla;hehe
1299682;1444932267;kakobrekla;speaking of fish eye, i have a 183 degrees lens buried somewhere
1299683;1444932329;kakobrekla;much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching
1299684;1444932358;ascii_field;kakobrekla: hypothetical device in question is a small sphere, the size of golf ball
1299685;1444932363;ascii_field;needs to see in all directions.
1299686;1444932372;ascii_field;has no moving parts
1299687;1444932391;phf;is this another one of those technical solutions for counterparty problem?
1299688;1444932397;kakobrekla;sorta like http://www6.pcmag.com/media/images/413251-hands-on-panono-panoramic-ball-camera.jpg?thumb=y
1299689;1444932398;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBETY )
1299690;1444932424;ascii_field;kakobrekla: something like.
1299691;1444932442;ascii_field;preferably smaller, cheaper, doesn't even need to see in all directions if you have 50 of them in the box.
1299692;1444932449;ascii_field;(use instead of packing peanuts!)
1299693;1444932578;shinohai;When ascii_field gets arrested: "We got his hard drive!" https://i.imgur.com/qSPQ0RR.jpg
1299694;1444932580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQBXhE )
1299695;1444932636;kakobrekla;Does ti have a countdown timer?
1299696;1444932641;shinohai;I don't doubt that a real FBI agent might say the same.
1299697;1444932647;ascii_field;recipe: own a crate with 10,000 eproms.
1299698;1444932657;ascii_field;after your hanging, ~somebody~ will have to read'em...
1299699;1444933724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00047293 = 14.9919 BTC [-] {2} 
1299700;1444934439;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299701;1444934443;ascii_field;http://cr.yp.to/nfscircuit/lsttgap.html << lulzy
1299702;1444934445;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAjBU )
1299703;1444934447;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
1299704;1444934486;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> Does ti have a countdown timer? << and wires sticking out.
1299705;1444934501;mircea_popescu;!up brbsoup
1299706;1444934510;shinohai;People try to hack anything on github: http://postopcare.github.io/
1299707;1444934510;assbot;Postop (SRS) Care 101 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAs8i )
1299708;1444934538;ascii_field;ugh
1299709;1444934549;mircea_popescu;anyway if anyone had a qntra emergency...
1299710;1444934806;mircea_popescu;davout http://dpaste.com/1YWYXG6
1299711;1444934808;assbot;dpaste: 1YWYXG6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAYmB )
1299712;1444934947;shinohai;https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
1299713;1444934950;assbot;How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
1299714;1444934971;ascii_field;shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299412
1299715;1444934971;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 11:10:12; jurov: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/haldermanheninger/how-is-nsa-breaking-so-much-crypto/
1299716;1444935051;shinohai;missed
1299717;1444936172;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299703 < would you also expect this was not the case even 10 years ago
1299718;1444936172;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 18:40:47; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
1299719;1444936195;mircea_popescu;nope
1299720;1444936482;jurov;1. how do you detect glass is penetrated? 2. they can open the package in darkness
1299721;1444936513;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299722;1444936527;ascii_field;jurov: both are solvable problems.
1299723;1444936593;mircea_popescu;!b 1
1299724;1444936594;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X9YER9.txt )
1299725;1444936600;mircea_popescu;no, it's good, seriously.
1299726;1444936645;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299401 ... case in point: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296386
1299727;1444936645;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 10:27:18; punkman: this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
1299728;1444936645;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 19:28:30; jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"
1299729;1444936668;jurov;it started as wiki based on plain .txt files
1299730;1444936686;jurov;started to use it for personal stuff
1299731;1444936691;mircea_popescu;they improved it ?
1299732;1444936696;jurov;after some 10 years.. you don't want to know
1299733;1444936698;ascii_field;luserz 'have come to expect' js !!11
1299734;1444936728;mircea_popescu;"But, yes, Foswiki is becoming more dependent on JavaScript. I doubt that this is going to change."
1299735;1444936731;mircea_popescu;da fuck is wrong with them.
1299736;1444936740;mircea_popescu;why, so it can compete with... 500 other implementations ?
1299737;1444936750;mircea_popescu;us gotta switch to teaching strategy in school.
1299738;1444936773;mircea_popescu;"Browsers without javascript aren't supported by Foswiki out of the box. We once decided to assume that nowadays everybody should have access to a sufficiantly standard browser that implements javascript. Of course this was different 15 years ago when we still had to deal with IE6 and the like. But as almost all vendors constantly move forward in web standards. So we then decided to strip off the burden of having to su
1299739;1444936773;mircea_popescu;pport browsers without javascript and rapidly moved forward. "
1299740;1444936783;mircea_popescu;i can't even.
1299741;1444936962;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: http://wpressutexas.net/cs378h/images/4/49/How_to_even_for_dummies.jpg << have some help!
1299742;1444936964;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QxWbe3 )
1299743;1444937046;mircea_popescu;my computer is not that shape or color.
1299744;1444937053;mircea_popescu;and the girl's got less clothes more tits.
1299745;1444937054;ascii_field;then will not work.
1299746;1444937058;mircea_popescu;i need a better jewscript book
1299747;1444937069;jurov;From the author of "How to accidentally" bestseller!!1
1299748;1444937076;mircea_popescu;lol
1299749;1444937101;mircea_popescu;yesterday i accidentallied a router. it only took on the third stomp tho.
1299750;1444937125;mike_c;sometimes javascript is useful.
1299751;1444937127;*;mike_c ducks
1299752;1444937145;mircea_popescu;did he just use javascript.duck() ?
1299753;1444937160;mike_c;$(this).duck()
1299754;1444937162;mircea_popescu;sorry mike, your pubic hair's now on fire. seek er.
1299755;1444937188;mike_c;gotta have some jquery with your javascript
1299756;1444937265;mike_c;i don't even think it'll matter much longer.  html5 will present all the necessary security holes you need in plain old html
1299757;1444937322;punkman;it would be nice if we could at least have a video library without remote code execution holes
1299758;1444937332;mike_c;<canvas><audio><video></video></audio></canvas>
1299759;1444937343;punkman;err not remote I mean
1299760;1444937373;punkman;but you know, how about I can open mp4 file without getting pwned
1299761;1444937462;jurov;punkman: play it on dedicated device
1299762;1444937683;thestringpuller;like an ipod
1299763;1444938330;ascii_field;https://secrom.com << l0l!!! this still exists?!
1299764;1444938332;assbot;Portal Home - SECROM ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIcHJ )
1299765;1444938339;ascii_field;^ classical 1990s-style cryptosnakeoil
1299766;1444938750;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299767;1444938755;ascii_field;https://publicintelligence.net/its-dangerous-fighting-isis << lulzy
1299768;1444938756;assbot;The Dangers of Traveling Overseas to Fight Against the Islamic State | Public Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIzSw )
1299769;1444938836;ascii_field;'the US Government does not support US persons traveling overseas to combat ISIL.'
1299770;1444938906;shinohai;Guess they would rather I stay home and support them.
1299771;1444939238;ascii_field;support, oppose, usg's golems work either way.
1299772;1444939253;mircea_popescu;^
1299773;1444939327;*;shinohai is *goyim*, not golem
1299774;1444939497;mircea_popescu;da fuck does that even mean, "usg does not support"
1299775;1444939499;mircea_popescu;who asked them ?
1299776;1444939580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00047224 = 19.9758 BTC [-] {2} 
1299777;1444939589;ascii_field;ianal, but the implication is 'no jail if you come home, but don't expect supplies or rescue if you're in a bind, or good pr'
1299778;1444939936;ascii_field;https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-AssessingLegitimacyISIL.pdf >>  http://dpaste.com/0D7G0Q3 << lulzy
1299779;1444939937;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJzWX )
1299780;1444939939;assbot;dpaste: 0D7G0Q3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJBxQ )
1299781;1444939965;ascii_field;' ISIL stickers have been identified on memorials, highway signs, and other public
1299782;1444939965;ascii_field;venues in Arizona, Nevada, and Texas, according to open source analysis.'
1299783;1444939970;ascii_field;oh noez.
1299784;1444940239;mircea_popescu;oh there is that.
1299785;1444940256;mircea_popescu;they understandably don't wanna be on the hook for every fucktard with a plane ticket.
1299786;1444940263;deedbot-;[Trilema] The lulz in "dating" - http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/
1299787;1444940891;gabrielradio;http://pastebin.com/AKUpLNvx
1299788;1444940892;assbot;I never - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIWL38 )
1299789;1444941038;mircea_popescu;"nor have I ever did" ?
1299790;1444941045;mod6;bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc                                       gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz                                                      qemu-2.0.0.tgz
1299791;1444941308;mircea_popescu;"Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went  "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
1299792;1444941350;gabrielradio;indeed. got it
1299793;1444941381;mircea_popescu;holy shit, "employment record book" is a thing!
1299794;1444941383;mircea_popescu;i had no idea.
1299795;1444941494;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299796;1444941506;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: afaik it was a su-only thing ?
1299797;1444941510;ascii_field;or, no??!!!?
1299798;1444941512;mircea_popescu;seems not.
1299799;1444941522;ascii_field;where, then, else ?
1299800;1444941589;ascii_field;http://www.na.rkomi.ru/IZYUROV/KOP_DOK/6/5.jpg << example
1299801;1444941591;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxKV3M )
1299802;1444941664;mircea_popescu;"I've never signed payroll, I never held a paycheck, I've never seen the various small item salesmen visit the office on pay day nor have I ever asked for a payday loan. Wider, and more importantly, I never worked against my will. Not even as a kid, doing homework."
1299803;1444941667;mircea_popescu;sumthing like that.
1299804;1444941696;mircea_popescu;ascii_field believe it or not... http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/205/848/927_001.jpg
1299805;1444941696;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxL1sc )
1299806;1444941724;ascii_field;l0l!
1299807;1444941733;ascii_field;arbeit macht frei.
1299808;1444941752;mircea_popescu;those guys srsly don't get enough credit, everyone stole all their shit.
1299809;1444941784;gabrielradio;mircea_popescu i see. pretty straightforward, no meddling with the words
1299810;1444941800;mircea_popescu;it's a fine line.
1299811;1444941801;ascii_field;'iz zis nazi lande soo goood?! we would leave it, if we could!!' (tm) (r) (donald duck)
1299812;1444942051;ben_vulpes;d'aww, a newish client just sent us 3 boxes of fresh cookies
1299813;1444942176;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299791 << who the hell ever heard of an employed ammonia-atmosphere-breathing dragon
1299814;1444942176;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went  "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
1299815;1444942247;mircea_popescu;trilema mostly deals with the banal.
1299816;1444942345;gabrielradio;!rate mircea_popescu 2 I get high on Trilema
1299817;1444942345;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/50a106d5d903481a
1299818;1444942361;mircea_popescu;haha thatg's a new one.
1299819;1444942405;gabrielradio;!v assbot:gabrielradio.rate.mircea_popescu.2:365fa6980f36389ab2e054244529e5e2d01d51ee1d306d607d79ab8b74be435d
1299820;1444942405;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: I get high on Trilema
1299821;1444942429;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "addiction", and pathways and whatnot :
1299822;1444942431;mircea_popescu;"Ask a 20 year crack addict when was the last time they used powder cocaine.  Do they miss it?  Are they in withdrawal?  "But crack is cocaine."  No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they?  "But crack is more potent and addictive."  Then why don't cocaine adicts move over to crack? "
1299823;1444942441;mircea_popescu;apparently tlp agrees, it's all bs.
1299824;1444942489;ascii_field;No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? << i don't follow the logic
1299825;1444942506;mircea_popescu;suppose your car can run on either water or gasoline.
1299826;1444942511;mircea_popescu;you never run it on water.
1299827;1444942515;mircea_popescu;even if you don't have gasoline.
1299828;1444942516;mircea_popescu;because ?
1299829;1444942526;ascii_field;...?
1299830;1444942556;mircea_popescu;"there's one so-called identified pathway and 500 non miscible so-called addictions. because this is Fantasia."
1299831;1444942730;shinohai;@ gabrielradio Are you the Romanian interpreter ?
1299832;1444942769;punkman;cocaine addicts do move from insufflation to smoking freebase or crack
1299833;1444942786;ascii_field;what's the upside of the latter vs the former ?
1299834;1444942793;punkman;at least the dedicated ones
1299835;1444942817;punkman;insufflation is not efficient, costs more
1299836;1444942902;gabrielradio;shinohai yea
1299837;1444942935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14394 @ 0.00047436 = 6.8279 BTC [+]
1299838;1444942954;gabrielradio;i spend a lot reading trilema, why not translate the ro articles while at it
1299839;1444943036;mircea_popescu;punkman they do ?
1299840;1444943109;punkman;mircea_popescu: same with heroin, you start with a sniff, then move on to smoking and finally iv
1299841;1444943216;punkman;naturally everyone has his preferences
1299842;1444943224;shinohai;gabrielradio: I appreciate anyone willing to tackle translations.
1299843;1444943268;gabrielradio;shinohai any article in particular you want to see translated?
1299844;1444943295;mircea_popescu;is this something you know from some sort of direct experience ?
1299845;1444943327;gabrielradio;i wanted to do http://trilema.com/2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ next
1299846;1444943328;assbot;Ce ma intereseaza pe mine intr-un proiect. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxMmiE )
1299847;1444943338;punkman;mircea_popescu: I've seen it
1299848;1444943353;punkman;dunno, I suppose in some places go straight to iv
1299849;1444943356;punkman;*kids go
1299850;1444943364;mircea_popescu;ok, you've seen it, but chipping heroin is one thing ; cocaine as powder and as crack is a rather different thing.
1299851;1444943364;shinohai;gabrielradio: I do not speak Romanian unfortunately so I dunno :(
1299852;1444943401;jurov; gabrielradio: there's supposedly very popular guide to oral sex, maybe that one?
1299853;1444943407;punkman;well I couldn't tell you the difference between powder, crack and freebase
1299854;1444943411;mircea_popescu;at some point the argument was that pot is a "gateway drug" for that matter. a sort of kindled theory of chem addiction i guess.
1299855;1444943421;gabrielradio;lmao, why not
1299856;1444943444;punkman;it can be a social gateway
1299857;1444943444;mircea_popescu;punkman i can tell you the difference. it's about $1k for half-and-half.
1299858;1444943465;mircea_popescu;most whores do cocaine. just, the 20somethings that do lines go for about 5x the money of the 30somethings that do crack.
1299859;1444943482;mircea_popescu;which is why the derrogatory is crack whore, not snortwhore
1299860;1444943488;mircea_popescu;even tho snortwhore sounds pretty fucking epic
1299861;1444943497;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299862;1444943505;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the difference in cost is well-known. but what of effect ?
1299863;1444943519;punkman;well surely smoking packs a harder punch
1299864;1444943535;mircea_popescu;until the septum ruptures you can't really spot the snorter. you really can't miss the crackhead.
1299865;1444943560;ascii_field;that'd be the side-effect. but what of the effect ?
1299866;1444943579;ascii_field;subjectively, to the taker
1299867;1444943591;mircea_popescu;i have nfi, i never tried crack.
1299868;1444943606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00047186 = 6.4645 BTC [-]
1299869;1444943608;ascii_field;i had a professor who confessed to having once been a crack smoker
1299870;1444943617;mircea_popescu;so wha was his story ?
1299871;1444943631;ascii_field;she described it in a very peculiar and scarcely believable:
1299872;1444943651;ascii_field;'it was not even enjoyable, as i smoked the pipe the only thing it was possible to think about is the next pipe'
1299873;1444943670;mircea_popescu;sounds about right.
1299874;1444943695;mircea_popescu;i dun think it's much of a leisured passtime.
1299875;1444943715;ascii_field;ended up (iirc) quitting when she divorced the fella who brought the crack.
1299876;1444943750;mircea_popescu;that part's improbable as all shit, but hey.
1299877;1444943768;ascii_field;actually it is this part that i readily believe
1299878;1444943778;ascii_field;the 'did not enjoy' feels more of a stretch.
1299879;1444943800;ascii_field;mircea_popescu does not appear to apprehend that it is in fact possible to have ZERO contact with 'the street'
1299880;1444943820;mircea_popescu;you're being ridiculous.
1299881;1444943828;mircea_popescu;stand up, strip nakled,. go downstairs.
1299882;1444943833;mircea_popescu;you'll be in contact with the street.
1299883;1444943840;ascii_field;i meant productive contact
1299884;1444943845;ascii_field;as in, ability to 'score' contraband
1299885;1444943846;mircea_popescu;nobody asks the crack whore.
1299886;1444943864;ascii_field;but can any (female) become a 'crack whore' at will ?
1299887;1444943869;mircea_popescu;yes.
1299888;1444943873;mircea_popescu;and even not at will.
1299889;1444943906;mircea_popescu;that;'s the thing with the street : it takes all.
1299890;1444943917;mircea_popescu;that's why it's so deeply beloved, like no other thing. ultimate mother.
1299891;1444943926;ascii_field;not so sure of this.
1299892;1444943955;mircea_popescu;easy for you to say :)
1299893;1444943964;mircea_popescu;ah man i've been waiting to hit someone with that for like two weeks.
1299894;1444943995;ascii_field;i suppose this is some variant on the ru traditional 'prison is like the grave, can find room for everyone'
1299895;1444944066;mircea_popescu;quite.
1299896;1444944195;mircea_popescu;the executive difference being that you get sent to prison, but go to teh street.
1299897;1444944243;mircea_popescu;incidentally : given that ~30 million americans are homeless AT ANY GIVEN POINT, and given that the life expectancy of the homeless is not terribly good, say 5-10 years, do compute the odds of your child being homeless during his lifetime kthx.
1299898;1444944265;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: this is as interesting as computing the odds of being chinese.
1299899;1444944268;mircea_popescu;social mobility has its unexpected drawbacks.
1299900;1444944268;ascii_field;(high!!11)
1299901;1444944271;mircea_popescu;nope.
1299902;1444944285;mircea_popescu;you entertain the delusion that your child is like you, which is true in unmobile societies.
1299903;1444944296;mircea_popescu;in the us, predicately, he is not like you.
1299904;1444944310;mircea_popescu;people love to assume that means "for the better", because it briefly did and people are idiots.
1299905;1444944316;ascii_field;think obama's progeny will ever hobo ?
1299906;1444944319;mircea_popescu;yes.
1299907;1444944359;ascii_field;perhaps. but my mind boggles at the picture of a hobo bush.
1299908;1444944362;ascii_field;hobo trump.
1299909;1444944376;mircea_popescu;trump IS an ex-hobo himself lol
1299910;1444944385;ascii_field;ex.
1299911;1444944402;mircea_popescu;the question wasn't about dying there.
1299912;1444944447;ascii_field;anyway in usa it is a very simple matter, as described by herr orlov: near-everybody there is 2 or 3 missed paycheques away from hobo-dom.
1299913;1444944488;mircea_popescu;to their great benefit.
1299914;1444944499;ascii_field;but the present day crop of hobo is not evenly distributed, no.
1299915;1444944500;mircea_popescu;because near-everybody there, like everywhere, is also an imbecile.
1299916;1444944514;mircea_popescu;now, if only they had sane people in charge, doling out those missed paycheques.
1299917;1444944673;BingoBoingo;In other news St Louis passed their 2014 homicide total today, with 2.5 months to go
1299918;1444944715;ascii_field;https://theintercept.com/drone-papers << lulzy
1299919;1444944717;assbot;The Drone Papers ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHrLKa )
1299920;1444945074;gabrielradio;jurov, i think this is the one http://trilema.com/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ . next in line after the "what interests me in a project" one
1299921;1444945075;assbot;Cum se suge pula - ghid pentru juma' de sex oral on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxNKSp )
1299922;1444945314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22063 @ 0.00047186 = 10.4106 BTC [-] {2} 
1299923;1444945337;mircea_popescu;that article is lulzy - it was the 2nd most read article each month since pretty much its publishing
1299924;1444945341;mircea_popescu;3 years ago.
1299925;1444945343;mircea_popescu;still is today.
1299926;1444945347;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299927;1444945351;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 2nd ?!
1299928;1444945355;mircea_popescu;yea
1299929;1444945363;ascii_field;and the 1st ?
1299930;1444945370;mircea_popescu;well it varies each month\
1299931;1444945377;mircea_popescu;but this - no. month by month, 2nd.
1299932;1444945421;ascii_field;'how cock is sucked'. but engl. lacks reflexive, how to ~really~ translate ?
1299933;1444945425;mircea_popescu;it probably served half the teens in romania by now, if numbers have any meaning.
1299934;1444945431;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they're satisfied.
1299935;1444945444;mircea_popescu;"how to suck the cock" i would say.
1299936;1444945452;ascii_field;but not same meaning..
1299937;1444945454;mircea_popescu;se is conjunctive not reflexive
1299938;1444945468;ascii_field;hm
1299939;1444945494;mircea_popescu;se suge = on succionne
1299940;1444945511;ascii_field;ah.
1299941;1444945556;jurov;http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/poll-29-of-americans-believe-armed-revolt-may-be-necessary-in-next-few-years
1299942;1444945557;assbot;Poll: 29% of Americans Believe Armed Revolt May Be Necessary in Next Few Years... | RedFlag News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxOhUn )
1299943;1444945576;mircea_popescu;did they ask more than 10 people (in texas) ?
1299944;1444945593;ascii_field;and what if answer is 'it was necessary in 1934' ?
1299945;1444945650;ascii_field;from same publication: 'How To Destroy Any Attacker In Seconds Using Only Your Bare Hands.'
1299946;1444945662;ascii_field;'This 1 Simple Trick "Fixes" Your Erectile Dysfunction.'
1299947;1444945664;ascii_field;etc.
1299948;1444945673;mircea_popescu;same in wapo.
1299949;1444945685;ascii_field;it is, isn't it.
1299950;1444945690;ascii_field;'outbrain' et al.
1299951;1444945770;mircea_popescu;aha.
1299952;1444945785;mircea_popescu;they make like 500bux for the journalistic integritits.
1299953;1444945953;mircea_popescu;"I'm putting myself on the record (not that I haven't a dozen other times on this site):
1299954;1444945954;mircea_popescu;there is no inflation, if there it is two, maybe three years out at the earliest.  This is massive deflation before your eyes, not even including the outstanding credit card balances and other personal loans  which will never get paid, especially when the jobs start evaporating."
1299955;1444945956;mircea_popescu;tlp on finance
1299956;1444945997;mircea_popescu;here's a puzzling fact. in some cases, expert A in field a saying something stupid in field b not only turns me off on A, but sometimes even makes me reevaluate his expertise of field a.
1299957;1444946049;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/8ecWN << Turdlicious upgrade forcing attempt
1299958;1444946050;assbot;Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHu6or )
1299959;1444946060;mircea_popescu;meanwhile righyt here, expert C in field p says something so outrageously stupid (and it's not just one thing - all his forays into finance and investing read like he's a vocational school most likely to succeed from kharkov)  in e that it's actually...endearing.
1299960;1444946066;BingoBoingo;"
1299961;1444946066;BingoBoingo;If widely deployed this change would eliminate the last remaining known vector for nuisance malleability on SIGHASH_ALL P2PKH transactions. On the down-side it will block most transactions made by sufficiently out of date software."
1299962;1444946068;mircea_popescu;i think this is how it works with women and ass grabbing too.
1299963;1444946168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00047182 = 2.5261 BTC [-] {4} 
1299964;1444946194;mircea_popescu;i doubt enforcing low-s encoding of ecdsa is avoidable.
1299965;1444946244;BingoBoingo;The thing is does 0.5.X produce low-s transactions?
1299966;1444946270;BingoBoingo;Power rangers are claiming this wasn't introduced until 0.9
1299967;1444946308;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't but it's nutty.
1299968;1444946338;mircea_popescu;the idea is, at no point should it have made anything else anyway, at least as far as anyone knew.
1299969;1444946351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10388 @ 0.00047149 = 4.8978 BTC [-]
1299970;1444946351;mircea_popescu;but yes, will need to be looked into moar.
1299971;1444946388;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a28fb70e45d764e558966ba3b02bd16e02b11c14 << What they point to as the introduction of low-s encoding
1299972;1444946389;assbot;Merge pull request #3016 from sipa/lows · bitcoin/bitcoin@a28fb70 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHuMKF )
1299973;1444946449;mircea_popescu;mmm
1299974;1444946465;mircea_popescu;you see, it's a probabilistic thing.
1299975;1444946485;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what negating if odd does anyway.
1299976;1444946557;mircea_popescu;but you're right, it was even S before.
1299977;1444946717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00047257 = 10.0185 BTC [+]
1299978;1444946787;ascii_field;nobody asked me, but letting the enemy spray his relevance-piss-pheromone on the thing is far more of a nuisance than the existing malleability.
1299979;1444946807;ascii_field;which afaik is harmless to anyone who isn't a moron
1299980;1444946827;BingoBoingo;Relay looks like it could become problematic
1299981;1444946845;ascii_field;how?
1299982;1444946861;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it has this pr stink to it.
1299983;1444946952;ascii_field;the way i see it, usg continues in the effort to force folks off classical clients
1299984;1444946959;ascii_field;and into the holding pen.
1299985;1444947009;mircea_popescu;you know it's a trivial fix for trb also.
1299986;1444947039;ascii_field;yes but imposed.
1299987;1444947050;ascii_field;and 'what if pogos had been poured into cement already'
1299988;1444947075;ascii_field;there is no known end to the supply of these.
1299989;1444947087;mircea_popescu;but the reaosn they weren't is specifically that we knew that it's early.
1299990;1444947139;mircea_popescu;i dun see it's imposed by anything but the dubious quality of code writing employed throughout this project.
1299991;1444947149;ascii_field;for so long as openssl, bdb, are in the mix, the bug mine is bottomless.
1299992;1444947153;mircea_popescu;in any case : the actual significance of this switch in crypto terms could benefit from a review.
1299993;1444947212;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1299994;1444947215;ascii_field;for perhaps the first time, i remind mircea_popescu to think of the political, and not vice-versa
1299995;1444947253;ascii_field;if this is an actual flaw, it ought to be fixed in a way which marginalizes and lowers into pederasty the phoundation, rather than legitimizes it.
1299996;1444947266;mircea_popescu;specifically ?
1299997;1444947275;ascii_field;if i had 'specifically' i would be submitting the patch now.
1299998;1444947290;ascii_field;will have to (shudder) ~think~.
1299999;1444947296;mircea_popescu;more importantly : the entire malleability / bip 62 / sipa chjanges (such as linked) are 2013 material.
1300000;1444947383;jurov;ascii_field: can i read that like you will reject any patch that resembles anything from members or people affiliated to phoundation or "dev team"
1300001;1444947388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7703 @ 0.0004714 = 3.6312 BTC [-] {3} 
1300002;1444947388;jurov;?
1300003;1444947393;ascii_field;jurov: not precisely
1300004;1444947400;mircea_popescu;seems a bit excessive.
1300005;1444947407;ascii_field;jurov: if you recall, i began with a backport of the orphan fix
1300006;1444947420;ascii_field;jurov: do you play go ?
1300007;1444947437;ascii_field;familiar with jp terms 'sente' and 'gote' ?
1300008;1444947448;jurov;no
1300009;1444947472;ascii_field;http://senseis.xmp.net/?Gote
1300010;1444947474;assbot;Gote at Sensei's Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHx5gE )
1300011;1444947480;ascii_field;dunno how much sense this will make to a nonplayer
1300012;1444947516;ascii_field;my point was that we do not want to be in the position of answering the enemy in real time.
1300013;1444947530;ascii_field;and on his terms.
1300014;1444947573;jurov;well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)
1300015;1444947591;ascii_field;we already have the turdball
1300016;1444947604;ascii_field;ftr, i do not believe that it has a long-term future.
1300017;1444947617;ascii_field;recall why i asked nubbins` for the book!
1300018;1444947646;*;ascii_field bbl
1300019;1444947712;jurov;!s relish impossible
1300020;1444947713;assbot;1 results for 'relish impossible' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=relish+impossible
1300021;1444948050;mircea_popescu;the real time thing fails, ftr.
1300022;1444948070;mircea_popescu;we had a discussion about how bip 62 is not particularly controversial last spring iirc.
1300023;1444948327;deedbot-;[Qntra] Carl Mark Force IV To Be Sentenced Monday, Prosecutors Request 87 Months Imprisonment - http://qntra.net/2015/10/carl-mark-force-iv-to-be-sentenced-monday-prosecutors-request-87-months-imprisonment/
1300024;1444948477;mircea_popescu;o hey not bad, guy gets to go to costa rica hang out with the other lamers on "what's left after divorce" budget
1300025;1444948545;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1300026;1444948757;mircea_popescu;in any case, i see little value in the political thinking proposed. im not even sure it's all that political.
1300027;1444948864;mircea_popescu;but the way which, whether it delegitimizes anything or not, nevertheless serves bitcoin, to do the switch, is by making sure that the proposed solution actually is a good solution for the proposed problem. there's a lengthy history of narrow, poorly tho9ught out, unreviewed and borderline nonsensical "solutions" that had to be reforged and then re-reforged, even 3-4-5 passes.
1300028;1444948896;mircea_popescu;so in that sense... if there's a superclass fix, and we find it, good. if not, entrenching around this seems a waste of time.
1300029;1444948913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45666 @ 0.00047285 = 21.5932 BTC [+] {3} 
1300030;1444948918;mircea_popescu;heck, the guy's pull request got, rather symptomatically, 0 comments.
1300031;1444948935;mircea_popescu;on github. the thing is social media for derps. they comment because their food is late, there.
1300032;1444949247;BingoBoingo;Oh, of course Gavin had to refactor key.cpp so changes we might want to play with now are in a practically different language.
1300033;1444949279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12206 @ 0.00047436 = 5.79 BTC [+]
1300034;1444949283;mircea_popescu;this is actually a good thing
1300035;1444949288;mircea_popescu;it will readily expose dumbassery.
1300036;1444949676;BingoBoingo;All sorts of changes appeared to happed to key.cpp between 0.7 and 0.9
1300037;1444950011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14959 @ 0.00047425 = 7.0943 BTC [-]
1300038;1444950129;*;BingoBoingo am dissapoing in dooglus https://archive.is/dsVVv
1300039;1444950130;assbot;dooglus comments on Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsFP2R )
1300040;1444950255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00047737 = 5.8 BTC [+] {2} 
1300041;1444951475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00047806 = 10.8998 BTC [+] {4} 
1300042;1444952329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7496 @ 0.00048003 = 3.5983 BTC [+] {2} 
1300043;1444955681;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/az3Wbf6.jpg
1300044;1444955682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1X7ZVXC )
1300045;1444956003;mircea_popescu;holy shit netsp[lits
1300046;1444956029;BingoBoingo;Been a while since one like that
1300047;1444956045;asciilifeform;aha
1300048;1444956061;asciilifeform;and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.
1300049;1444956065;mircea_popescu;yup
1300050;1444956107;asciilifeform;so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...
1300051;1444956122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format
1300052;1444956147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)
1300053;1444956186;asciilifeform;*pre-loaded tx-en, that is
1300054;1444956217;mircea_popescu;at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx
1300055;1444956229;asciilifeform;now this is true.
1300056;1444956246;mircea_popescu;it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.
1300057;1444956265;mircea_popescu;maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.
1300058;1444956286;asciilifeform;now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier
1300059;1444956298;mircea_popescu;but you'd still have to do the transform.
1300060;1444956301;asciilifeform;which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.
1300061;1444956318;asciilifeform;but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck
1300062;1444956322;mircea_popescu;(this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)
1300063;1444956349;asciilifeform;anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.
1300064;1444956366;mircea_popescu;what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.
1300065;1444956376;mircea_popescu;because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.
1300066;1444956489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.
1300067;1444956496;mircea_popescu;true.
1300068;1444956520;mircea_popescu;its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.
1300069;1444956548;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.
1300070;1444956573;mircea_popescu;why ?
1300071;1444956603;asciilifeform;'malleability' vector - any idiot can, presently, flip it, and both variants compute as valid sig.
1300072;1444956607;mircea_popescu;nono.
1300073;1444956611;mircea_popescu;why is there an unused byte ?
1300074;1444956614;asciilifeform;bit
1300075;1444956617;mircea_popescu;right
1300076;1444956693;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.
1300077;1444956707;mircea_popescu;for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?
1300078;1444956714;mircea_popescu;and yes, unused sign bit. but why.
1300079;1444956795;asciilifeform;'because openssl'
1300080;1444956804;*;asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'
1300081;1444956821;mircea_popescu;no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.
1300082;1444956839;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1300083;1444956891;asciilifeform;the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители
1300084;1444956904;mircea_popescu;i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there
1300085;1444956913;mircea_popescu;almost like it's coded in c++
1300086;1444956922;asciilifeform;l0l aha.
1300087;1444956941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no see, that's the beauty of it. yes that's right, and it never occured to me before that could be a good thing.
1300088;1444956992;asciilifeform;good thing?!
1300089;1444957025;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1300090;1444957052;mircea_popescu;"you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."
1300091;1444957054;mircea_popescu;now that's power.
1300092;1444957062;mircea_popescu;of an awesome nature never before seen.
1300093;1444957084;mircea_popescu;"you set the chess table any way you want and it's checkmate in 3."
1300094;1444957122;*;asciilifeform will be more excited after the checkmate
1300095;1444957254;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители << It gets worth Anytime I look at something interesting comparing between 0.5-0.7 and 0.9 and later at some point Gavin has refactored every fucking thing into a different retarded language that is precisely NOT the Bitcoin dialect of C++
1300096;1444957284;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 0.8+
1300097;1444957311;asciilifeform;but to some extent earlier.
1300098;1444957314;mircea_popescu;here's a nice tidbit for the fathers in audience :
1300099;1444957314;asciilifeform;hence 0.5.3
1300100;1444957316;mircea_popescu;"The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels.  One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer recall my father so po
1300101;1444957316;mircea_popescu;sitively!"
1300102;1444957320;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/09/recollections_of_your_parents_1.html
1300103;1444957321;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Recollections Of Your Parents Before And After You Have Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1X82rxd )
1300104;1444957322;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 0.8 had the big blockchain handling change yes, but 0.8 to 0.9 transition had mega refactoring
1300105;1444957413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.0004784 = 10.166 BTC [-] {3} 
1300106;1444957647;shinohai;Thank God I do not have children.
1300107;1444957656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048003 = 2.9282 BTC [+]
1300108;1444957730;shinohai;"But simultaneously, the act of  reinterpretation changes us."  <<< No shit. Read the instruction manual for #b-a and see how you feel about bitcoin in 6 months.
1300109;1444957734;mircea_popescu;god generally works on the conception angle. thank the women if anybody.
1300110;1444957865;shinohai;God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
1300111;1444957880;mircea_popescu;blame canada.
1300112;1444957900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00048003 = 16.441 BTC [+] {2} 
1300113;1444957964;mircea_popescu;"Reality is too boring, and world events too complex, too overwhelming, and, frankly, too not about me.  We want entertainment, diversions, that look enough like social policy analysis that we don't feel too guilty discussing them ad nauseum. We want masturbation that looks like work.  "
1300114;1444957982;mircea_popescu;word. wants a) masturbation but b) that looks like work. there, el consumidor, fully described.
1300115;1444958041;shinohai;I'm guilty of that.
1300116;1444958102;mircea_popescu;ofcourseyouare.
1300117;1444958130;mircea_popescu;this is like "earth is carbon based so species there are probably breathing oxigen and retaining water" "i'm guilty of that". doh ?!
1300118;1444958314;shinohai;Do you know how many people, at least in my area, absolutely refuse any type of introspection. Then my statement might not seem so out of place.
1300119;1444958363;shinohai;"I'm fine, B. Your problem is you need to get saved and accept Jesus in yer life."
1300120;1444958418;mircea_popescu;ah, it didn't feel out of place. it was just... you know, trying to point out this is a very bad measuring stick. "fish is wet" well... it'd better be.
1300121;1444958454;mircea_popescu;NOT being guilty of that probably scores you high for psychopathy or some shit, because that's the thing with socialization : being a very far outlier in your environment, even if you are right by some measure, still makes you a very far outlier.
1300122;1444958495;asciilifeform;what would this even look like ?
1300123;1444958518;mircea_popescu;"this"
1300124;1444958565;asciilifeform;the not-being...
1300125;1444958629;mircea_popescu;well, take for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/my_daughter_deserved_to_die_fo.html
1300126;1444958631;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: "My daughter deserved to die for falling in love" ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8xzZ2 )
1300127;1444958653;mircea_popescu;usian is very taken aback at the both common and perfectly reasonable [in its context] practice of killing young women that get out of line.
1300128;1444958694;mircea_popescu;there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;
1300129;1444958739;mircea_popescu;ballas decides "the guy is narcissist". this is about as clever as discussing the rotator splint of wild geese. "hey, they're flying, right ? gotta have rotator splint, it's what you call the collar bone"
1300130;1444958744;mircea_popescu;geese don't have collar bones.
1300131;1444958815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00047498 = 7.1959 BTC [-] {4} 
1300132;1444958825;mircea_popescu;if i had to guess - and i can do no better than guess, da fuck i know - i'd imagine the celebrated "what a nigger wants is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm hole to shit in" is a lot closer to what that guy [pars pro toto] wants than "masturbation that looks like work".
1300133;1444958833;mircea_popescu;for one thing he doesn't even have a conception of work whatsoever.
1300134;1444958914;shinohai;The "loose shoes" comment reminds of a very racist joke, kek
1300135;1444958929;mircea_popescu;;;google earl butz
1300136;1444958929;gribble;Earl Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz>; The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a bigoted Butz-hole…: <http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html>; Earl Butz Mouths Off - Rolling Stone: <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stones-biggest-scoops-exposes-and- (1 more message)
1300137;1444959068;mircea_popescu;(execuytive summary - guy who ended jefferson's idea of agriculture and planted the seeds for hfcs in every meal)
1300138;1444959402;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> geese don't have collar bones. << Surefire sign Geese are all Mayogendered
1300139;1444959409;mircea_popescu;lol
1300140;1444959427;BingoBoingo;I mean they even all only have cloacas
1300141;1444959460;mircea_popescu;one of the better jokes in veterinary school, head prof goes in eager beaver pathology class, "i'll put one case to you boys... suppose my horse gets a fractured collar bone. what do you do ?"
1300142;1444959465;*;BingoBoingo imagines cloaca creation surgery becoming popular in USia in the coming decades
1300143;1444959467;mircea_popescu;"tetanos shots!" "blablabla!"
1300144;1444959487;mircea_popescu;"why not call the natural history museum, offer them the first horse with a collarbone."
1300145;1444959492;BingoBoingo;lol
1300146;1444959547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73352 @ 0.00047136 = 34.5752 BTC [-] {4} 
1300147;1444959550;shinohai;hue
1300148;1444960889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00048048 = 13.3814 BTC [+] {3} 
1300149;1444961003;brg444;has anyone here had a look at "Confidential Transactions" ?
1300150;1444961074;brg444;https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/blob/master/confidential_values.md
1300151;1444961075;assbot;elementsproject.github.io/confidential_values.md at master · ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrLdg0 )
1300152;1444961075;BingoBoingo;brg444: Honestly I think we are too busy just trying to fucking make "standard transactions" work
1300153;1444961085;brg444;fair enough
1300154;1444961099;BingoBoingo;But if got ideas go ahead an dump them here
1300155;1444961218;brg444;!search sidechains
1300156;1444961219;assbot;43 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
1300157;1444963024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00048065 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
1300158;1444963390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7348 @ 0.00048085 = 3.5333 BTC [+] {2} 
1300159;1444964427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00048072 = 4.1582 BTC [-]
1300160;1444965590;BingoBoingo;;;later tell brg444 have you considered reading codes in sets of 5?
1300161;1444965591;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300162;1444965683;BingoBoingo;shinohai: So, did you write up that thing or is it not news?
1300163;1444965810;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300110 << why else?
1300164;1444965810;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:05; shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
1300165;1444966112;BingoBoingo;Because sexing is fun
1300166;1444966123;BingoBoingo;Or else, why anal?
1300167;1444966134;danielpbarron;exactly. why anal?
1300168;1444966139;danielpbarron;why not goat?
1300169;1444966148;BingoBoingo;(Because blowjobs promote procreation by modulating immune response)
1300170;1444966165;BingoBoingo;Anal, because tighter, more stimulating
1300171;1444966211;danielpbarron;i can't imagine it gets more stimulating than a real live fertile womb in which you can grow a baby
1300172;1444966224;BingoBoingo;(Under the immune modulation theory oral sex is never actually technically sodomy for promoting conditions favorable to pregnancy)
1300173;1444966234;danielpbarron;anything else seems like weird fetish to me
1300174;1444966252;BingoBoingo;Have you considered doping your imagination moar?
1300175;1444966257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00048086 = 9.1844 BTC [+] {2} 
1300176;1444966373;danielpbarron;what is that? drugs?
1300177;1444966376;BingoBoingo;Fertile womb and floppy loose roast beef vagina can co-exist
1300178;1444966398;BingoBoingo;Maybe drugs, maybe dehydrated fasting spirit trip in the woods
1300179;1444966415;danielpbarron;i've done plenty of drugs
1300180;1444966417;BingoBoingo;Lots of ways to prime brian in the skull's creativity
1300181;1444966431;danielpbarron;even in the woods
1300182;1444966493;BingoBoingo;But if we are merely considering a potentially viable womb all of a sudden 2/3 of the Mayogendered will plead fertile
1300183;1444966517;danielpbarron;obesity leads to hell
1300184;1444966547;BingoBoingo;Glad to hear you concurr on that point.
1300185;1444966569;BingoBoingo;Though hell comes early for them, don't have to wait for the next life even.
1300186;1444968575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00047967 = 11.5121 BTC [-] {4} 
1300187;1444970997;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7
1300188;1444971008;BingoBoingo;!up sueastside
1300189;1444971089;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7
1300190;1444971094;BingoBoingo;!up sueastside
1300191;1444971103;BingoBoingo;!up jurov
1300192;1444971150;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy
1300193;1444971259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00047989 = 6.2386 BTC [+]
1300194;1444971507;bagels7;I make whore dollars with my whore mouth
1300195;1444971522;ben_vulpes;good evening bagels7
1300196;1444971534;bagels7;Good evening ben_vulpes
1300197;1444971614;ben_vulpes;how is the ol' moneymaker tonight?
1300198;1444971632;bagels7;I'm a good whore because no matter what you do you should do it well, moreover is it not the will of god
1300199;1444971759;bagels7;well I didn't work tonight, girls with cocks are very niche
1300200;1444971810;BingoBoingo;eh
1300201;1444971841;BingoBoingo;Having a cock still isn't as bad for a girl as being Obeast bagels7
1300202;1444971972;bagels7;I'm not BBW yet and I broke up with my boyfriend that apparently had me in a fattening room
1300203;1444972054;bagels7;He slashed the tired of my bike and the cops put him in jail because [...] I hate alcoholism
1300204;1444972061;BingoBoingo;bagels7: Maybe focus on staying human sized? As a t-girl that is the bulk of your value proposition, not being an obeast.
1300205;1444972082;BingoBoingo;Also, alcoholism is kool.
1300206;1444972103;bagels7;Bingoboingo: I am 6 feet tall or 183 cm
1300207;1444972131;BingoBoingo;So, tall and not being an obeast are your value propositions
1300208;1444972137;bagels7;I can't help being heavy , also alcoholism is not kool when you get beat up and abused and constantly belittled
1300209;1444972149;bagels7;Obviously Bingo
1300210;1444972161;bagels7;I am considering some sort of liquid diet
1300211;1444972192;bagels7;But I really really would like a peace of pie right now at 1 am
1300212;1444972235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.0004783 = 18.1515 BTC [-] {4} 
1300213;1444972285;trinque;bagels7 | I can't help being heavy << are you trying to trigger BingoBoingo ?
1300214;1444972311;*;trinque is hitting the gym 4 times a week; what's this "can't help it"
1300215;1444972320;BingoBoingo;trinque: Yes, Imma being triggered.
1300216;1444972355;BingoBoingo;bagels7: You know Brian in you skull only accepts two carbohydrates as fuel. Glucose and good old ETOH
1300217;1444972424;bagels7;alcohol messes up my hormones and is probably what got me fat in the first place
1300218;1444972508;BingoBoingo;Alcohol is what makes me so manly I beat the bouncers who wanted to kick me out of forlorn sports bar last Saturday. (I beat them by getting a block and a half lead)
1300219;1444972771;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.27340109 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 31 March 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1214/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b4
1300220;1444972829;*;BingoBoingo very impressed with Rubio staying Bitbet's favorite repubican candidia. He's got very pretty eyes for a spic.
1300221;1444972906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00048038 = 4.8278 BTC [+] {3} 
1300222;1444973026;BingoBoingo;!up bagels7
1300223;1444973035;BingoBoingo;!up sueastside
1300224;1444973760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55150 @ 0.00048086 = 26.5194 BTC [+] {2} 
1300225;1444974492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00048165 = 3.6605 BTC [+] {3} 
1300226;1444975529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00047785 = 2.8193 BTC [-] {2} 
1300227;1444977542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19194 @ 0.00048209 = 9.2532 BTC [+] {2} 
1300228;1444979372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00048244 = 29.1394 BTC [+] {6} 
1300229;1444979982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00048277 = 1.0138 BTC [+]
1300230;1444980410;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
1300231;1444980462;HeySteve;hi BingoBoingo, what's new?
1300232;1444980469;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: I know its been a while since you've abandoned writing for the now collapsing CCN rag. Ever given a serious though to qntra writing?
1300233;1444980477;BingoBoingo;You write with a solid voice.
1300234;1444980490;HeySteve;I have indeed
1300235;1444980520;BingoBoingo;I don't remember you writing for the other place since qntra was born, gotta have that blue balls
1300236;1444980543;HeySteve;I started up my own site, coinlife.me
1300237;1444980554;HeySteve;it's about Bitcoin but as non-technical as it gets
1300238;1444980871;HeySteve;and yeah, I left CCN before the Garza scandal broke
1300239;1444980964;BingoBoingo;Yeah, that was a solid move
1300240;1444980994;BingoBoingo;You are the only motherfucker who made it out, and why? You saw the stupid and left.
1300241;1444981040;BingoBoingo;I though am interested in your new bitcoin"lifestyle site
1300242;1444981180;HeySteve;yeah I'm trying to get that profitable so I can expand
1300243;1444981187;HeySteve;saw an article no one else is covering
1300244;1444981223;HeySteve;an angle rather
1300245;1444981327;BingoBoingo;It is a good thing to do. If you see interesting angles on news, feel free to collect some equity in qntra.
1300246;1444981363;BingoBoingo;A lot of other people seriously undervalue the sort of history you have.
1300247;1444981371;HeySteve;ok excellent, thanks for the offer and I'll certainly take you up on it if and when I find a good story
1300248;1444981469;BingoBoingo;It is an offer of the sort open to a lot of people in varying degrees. To you it is especially open.
1300249;1444981531;BingoBoingo;Stuff already news'd that you have a smart commentary on is an opening you have that not many others do.
1300250;1444981731;HeySteve;well, my current "serious" project is trying to defeat property rental fraud using cryptocurrency
1300251;1444981767;HeySteve;BitShares specifically, which I realise is an unpopular topic around here, but perhaps something interesting may come of that
1300252;1444981788;punkman;what is property rental fraud?
1300253;1444981828;HeySteve;when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally
1300254;1444981866;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Bitshares is more looked down on for its nature than its applications, not quite, but close to Ether uffing hate
1300255;1444981964;BingoBoingo;The way though to actually beat rental fraud is allodial title and an army
1300256;1444981977;HeySteve;yeah, in an ideal world I'd code up my own application but...
1300257;1444982033;punkman;HeySteve: they usually have justification, don't they?
1300258;1444982055;HeySteve;researching alloidal title, thanks
1300259;1444982104;BingoBoingo;Well, allodial title also takes an army
1300260;1444982120;HeySteve;punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys
1300261;1444982124;HeySteve;had an article on it...
1300262;1444982159;punkman;sure, they overcharge. how does bitshares help?
1300263;1444982200;HeySteve;ah yes, this was a decent overview: http://www.caltenantlaw.com/secdep.htm
1300264;1444982201;assbot;Getting Back Your Security Deposit ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDQ2E )
1300265;1444982217;HeySteve;right, well my idea is to escrow the rental deposit
1300266;1444982279;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
1300267;1444982314;punkman;UK gov does escrow for rental deposits these days
1300268;1444982377;HeySteve;and the fiat-pegged assets with multisig which BTS allows "out the box" will help keep things simple for the public and myself alike
1300269;1444982404;HeySteve;didn't know that, punkman, there's clearly a need for it in the developing world
1300270;1444982432;punkman;HeySteve: well here it is if you are interested in prior art https://www.gov.uk/tenancy-deposit-protection/overview
1300271;1444982432;assbot;Tenancy deposit protection - GOV.UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDYiA )
1300272;1444982463;HeySteve;this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too
1300273;1444982515;HeySteve;thanks, that's good information. here it's also required that the deposit be kept in an interest bearing account, which adds another wrinklle
1300274;1444982527;punkman;HeySteve: what are the incentives for the landlord though?
1300275;1444982581;HeySteve;good question. for a dishonest landlord, there are only disincentives. for an honest one, I'm still considering... obvious option is to require a larger deposit
1300276;1444982601;punkman;were I renting houses to orcs, I'd definitely not opt-in to any such scheme
1300277;1444982635;HeySteve;if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard
1300278;1444982656;HeySteve;punkman, well damage or non-payment will definitely be punished
1300279;1444982702;HeySteve;I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that
1300280;1444982727;HeySteve;it's also possible to open the arbitration to a jury of sorts through hierarchial multisig
1300281;1444982791;BingoBoingo;<HeySteve> this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too << Oh you are in fluffypony land?
1300282;1444982804;fluffypony;yup
1300283;1444982815;fluffypony;there are like...THREE of us here!
1300284;1444982837;fluffypony;ok Talisman is on -otc, not here, but same diff
1300285;1444982842;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: My brother's latest dog, likely far fluffier than you or any extant equine
1300286;1444982861;HeySteve;Talisman eh? haven't met him but berndj is another saffa
1300287;1444982971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12562 @ 0.00048294 = 6.0667 BTC [+] {3} 
1300288;1444983360;fluffypony;oh yeah, olinguito
1300289;1444983398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00047729 = 9.2356 BTC [-] {3} 
1300290;1444983463;HeySteve;right, he knows his stuff
1300291;1444983520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00048513 = 10.6243 BTC [+] {3} 
1300292;1444983708;*;BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog
1300293;1444983754;HeySteve;fluffypony, how are things going your side, and with Monero?
1300294;1444983891;fluffypony;HeySteve: all good
1300295;1444983896;fluffypony;busy busy
1300296;1444984069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16122 @ 0.00047677 = 7.6865 BTC [-]
1300297;1444984284;HeySteve;busy touring exotic destinations from what I saw in r/monero!
1300298;1444984821;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/JC5MtVW.png
1300299;1444984939;HeySteve;heh true story. caps comment is a good eg. of poe's law
1300300;1444985063;BingoBoingo;Better to be a shitlord than an Obeast
1300301;1444985096;BingoBoingo;Palpable collarbones are what set us apart from lower animals
1300302;1444985258;punkman;matryoshka caption
1300303;1444985432;BingoBoingo;So, who wants to play a game?
1300304;1444985550;BingoBoingo;About 29 hours ago I offered a challenge people who wanted a chance to establish a history of work in La Serrenisima could tackle. Actual takes have been... disappoint.
1300305;1444985658;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I went to sleep and woke up only to be on the precipice of sleep again. Are you actually considering this or do you want competition?
1300306;1444985699;HeySteve;BingoBoingo, what sort of work are you talking about?
1300307;1444985727;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: In yesterday's logs. Factom or some shit. Filed for an IPO. Total scamception
1300308;1444985750;BingoBoingo;I want a piece that says why with appropriate vitriol
1300309;1444985762;punkman;BingoBoingo: why not write it then?
1300310;1444985783;HeySteve;mmm sounds like a lot of research for me to take on right now
1300311;1444985830;BingoBoingo;punkman: Because honestly. Actual people aren;t losing their shirts on this. Great chance though for marginally people to work towards becoming actual people by demonstrating a knowledge of how the scamception works.
1300312;1444985830;HeySteve;I did question the folks opening up Starbucks about whether they'll accept the Fold app as in like 10 other countries
1300313;1444985844;HeySteve;Starbucks SA^
1300314;1444985867;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: You could do this with more time flipping through sources than reading sources.
1300315;1444986010;HeySteve;well, it does sound like you have a better handle on it. I've never even looked at Factom
1300316;1444986016;BingoBoingo;I am actually more than a tiny bit disappointed that I drop for the crowd a vagina that could queef qntra shares to the extent someone is willing to solidly pump it and... the interest is low
1300317;1444986035;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla ^ we gotta fix this
1300318;1444986035;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300319;1444986052;HeySteve;BingoBoingo, problem is I'm not comfortable calling something a scam until I'm 100% sure
1300320;1444986093;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: I don't hava a handle on it. I'm not sure it is news at all. It is scam on many levels. My only reservation and the source of my disinterest is... I'm not sure actual people are affected
1300321;1444986096;HeySteve;I've been looking at BTS for weeks and I've still not reached a final verdict
1300322;1444986104;punkman;chukcha not writer, chukcha reader
1300323;1444986147;BingoBoingo;punkman: at some point the greek in you will force you into poetry or sodomy
1300324;1444986215;HeySteve;I did follow the chat a bit. something about early adopter / investor shares being converted to something else, now an IPO?
1300325;1444986326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00047677 = 7.0262 BTC [-]
1300326;1444986326;BingoBoingo;So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.
1300327;1444986367;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Some of that. It goes deep like Micheal Bay filming Alice in WOnderland
1300328;1444986392;punkman;risk of ruin from writing article seems nonexistant
1300329;1444986447;BingoBoingo;punkman: There's actually lot of potential for ruin. What I want to know is how people can take that attitude towards risk and not find writng for qntra appealing
1300330;1444986655;BingoBoingo;Writing for qntra is a solid way for people who think gud, but dun code gud to build #b-a cred
1300331;1444986710;punkman;BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story
1300332;1444986776;HeySteve;perhaps the problem is "say this is a scam" vs "investigate whether this is a scam"
1300333;1444986784;BingoBoingo;punkman: The particular scamcoin failing is not quite news, but a mechanistic documentation of why this one is failing is news.
1300334;1444986827;BingoBoingo;punkman: also weren't you going to write something on Greece being a failed state like Ferguson at some point? Or is Greece still catching up?
1300335;1444986909;BingoBoingo;;;google site:qntra.net jizzmopers
1300336;1444986909;gribble;No matches found.
1300337;1444986927;BingoBoingo;BingoBoingo> ;;google site:qntra.net jizzmoppers
1300338;1444986974;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2014/10/gaw-miners-revealed-as-the-jizz-moppers-supreme/
1300339;1444986975;assbot;GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjEwn )
1300340;1444987056;punkman;BingoBoingo: I'm not terribly informed on the situation, but I think I'll do a followup soon
1300341;1444987101;BingoBoingo;Qntra is exactly the way people who can't speak BTC++ can contribute to understanding the BTC ecosystem and, I would really appreciate more submissions on various fiat brokeness seen.
1300342;1444987192;BingoBoingo;pete_duskenski has been great with this as has thestringpuller, this thing is here, for some definitions of queer it is that, and it isn't going away anytime soon
1300343;1444987213;HeySteve;hmm this might be worth a look: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-15/nevada-shuts-down-fantasy-sports-sites-apply-gaming-license-or-face-decade-prison
1300344;1444987215;assbot;Nevada Shuts Down Fantasy Sports Sites: Apply For A Gaming License Or Face A Decade In Prison | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjXY6 )
1300345;1444987288;BingoBoingo;I am abou to pass out and I have a 'different' perspective on that bezzel would like to see others.
1300346;1444987297;HeySteve;my preferred fantasy sports site is of course http://www.fumbbl.com/
1300347;1444987298;assbot;FUMBBL :: Online Blood Bowl League ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWk45K )
1300348;1444987325;BingoBoingo;Not ButtFumbbl?
1300349;1444987338;HeySteve;I don't really know the other meaning. people run a pretend league based on real teams and players?
1300350;1444987350;BingoBoingo;Basically that
1300351;1444987369;HeySteve;ok but how are outcomes decided?
1300352;1444987391;BingoBoingo;Not real teams ever. Fake teams made of real player playing for real teams.
1300353;1444987473;BingoBoingo;Basically only US legal because the scamception involved lets league stakholders pass it off to congress as a "skill game" and not gambling even though it is scammy gambling
1300354;1444987478;cazalla;BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin
1300355;1444987529;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Well, our news child is now a toddler. Imma just trying to get the village involved in its raising
1300356;1444987607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00048462 = 21.8321 BTC [+] {6} 
1300357;1444987973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00047935 = 6.1836 BTC [-] {2} 
1300358;1444988213;HeySteve;Dear Steven, Thank you for your enquiry around the Fold app. We are not currently looking at virtual currency apps as we are focused on creating a local Starbucks app that will bring a richer online experience to our customers. Thank you for your interest. Regards, Diana
1300359;1444988241;HeySteve;I'd rather have cheaper coffee than a richer online experience but that's just me
1300360;1444988690;punkman;cazalla: why is it boring?
1300361;1444988734;BingoBoingo;Mebbe because I am drunk and my mind is tearing
1300362;1444988884;cazalla;punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break
1300363;1444989205;punkman;conversations in reddit, #ba, both?
1300364;1444989350;cazalla;here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year
1300365;1444989376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14924 @ 0.00048635 = 7.2583 BTC [+] {4} 
1300366;1444989408;davout;bonjour tout le monde
1300367;1444989438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2386 @ 0.00048742 = 1.163 BTC [+]
1300368;1444990174;kakobrekla;>at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change
1300369;1444990185;kakobrekla;bugs ftw
1300370;1444990230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00048672 = 8.0309 BTC [-] {2} 
1300371;1444990302;punkman;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/H96566k.jpg
1300372;1444990302;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwK2rF )
1300373;1444990328;BingoBoingo;Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck, compile errors, FUCK!!! WHat was so wrong with even-s.
1300374;1444990472;punkman;BingoBoingo: are you backporting?
1300375;1444990526;BingoBoingo;punkman: I'm trying to bring low-s signing to 0.5.x and 0.7.x but the existing shit is in a worthless different fucking language.
1300376;1444990657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12969 @ 0.00048019 = 6.2276 BTC [-]
1300377;1444990662;BingoBoingo;I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.
1300378;1444990697;BingoBoingo;I think I might be broken on a fundamental level. Or maybe I'm drunk naked and cold and ought to close the windows...
1300379;1444990833;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300192 << https://archive.is/QB135#selection-1477.1-1477.56
1300380;1444990833;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 04:52:30; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy
1300381;1444990833;assbot;Archived Blog 6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtqa3a )
1300382;1444990902;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Swallowing cum though supports female fertility in a way that is tied to the specific man cumming
1300383;1444991032;danielpbarron;>> Having Oral Sex - no (in marriage, see Song of Solomon) << the "no" is an answer to the question "is it a sin?"
1300384;1444991084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00048759 = 3.0231 BTC [+] {3} 
1300385;1444991488;shinohai; Why would a god even care about my sex life?
1300386;1444991511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00047939 = 6.2081 BTC [-] {2} 
1300387;1444991551;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Why does Lucifer run a bar in LA? Some things aren't for us mortals to sympathize with.
1300388;1444991587;shinohai;Lucifer is tight though.
1300389;1444991722;danielpbarron;shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.
1300390;1444991779;danielpbarron;and what is a "sex life" anyway?
1300391;1444991789;danielpbarron;is it like a "black life" ?
1300392;1444991909;BingoBoingo;Nah, it is more like a "blue life" whatever the fuck that is, but apparently billboards are telling me nao that blue lives matter
1300393;1444991925;shinohai;Ok, so if your body is a temple for worshiping god, then you want god to have a good time, ammi rite?
1300394;1444991980;shinohai;I mean, he's up there where it's boring all the time. Maybe he doesn't know what great fun it is to snort heroin off a tranny's cock.
1300395;1444992726;davout;fluffypony: know anything about this? --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1209440
1300396;1444992727;assbot;Mea culpa (DBT, Wadii Rachid, Rayane) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtsBD2 )
1300397;1444993234;cazalla;poor totalbiscuit, but still, amusing https://archive.is/kHZm7 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snlj3r
1300398;1444993235;assbot;Twitter / Totalbiscuit: @Seanza get cancer and die ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwMj5Z )
1300399;1444993236;assbot;TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwMj63 )
1300400;1444993768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13205 @ 0.00048657 = 6.4252 BTC [+] {2} 
1300401;1444994134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048748 = 4.4848 BTC [+] {2} 
1300402;1444994334;shinohai;http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/41138/security/dronedefender-electromagnetic-gun.htm
1300403;1444994337;assbot;DroneDefender, electromagnetic gun that shoot down dronesSecurity Affairs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtu7F3 )
1300404;1444994439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8335 @ 0.00048525 = 4.0446 BTC [-] {2} 
1300405;1444994500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8565 @ 0.00047935 = 4.1056 BTC [-]
1300406;1444995659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22671 @ 0.00048802 = 11.0639 BTC [+] {2} 
1300407;1444996513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00047853 = 4.3068 BTC [-] {3} 
1300408;1444996678;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300167 << i'll tell you why anal. it builds character.
1300409;1444996678;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 03:28:54; danielpbarron: exactly. why anal?
1300410;1444996713;mircea_popescu;the interesection between neurotic women and women that take it in the ass with some regularity is practically nil.
1300411;1444996738;mircea_popescu;ask every annoying woman that you know whether she habitually engages in anal sex, be surprised at the universal absence of the behaviour.
1300412;1444996782;mircea_popescu;"why anal ?" is in the same vein as "why go to school". because, obviously, "whoever likes me will like me for me as i am!!1"
1300413;1444996791;mircea_popescu;except... you aren't.
1300414;1444996819;kakobrekla;is it "i own your ass" or is it "i own you vagoo" ?
1300415;1444996830;shinohai;"On the merits of Anal Intercourse." by mircea_popescu
1300416;1444996833;mircea_popescu;lol. well it's both.
1300417;1444996869;shinohai;I would gladly put that book on my mantelpiece if you were to pen it.
1300418;1444996886;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300170 << neither of these is particularly true, ftr. on one hand, ass can dilate to about six inches diameter in mostly all humans ; whereas it's true that cunt can dilate to eight or above, this is besides the point, god help you if your cock is over two.
1300419;1444996886;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 03:29:25; BingoBoingo: Anal, because tighter, more stimulating
1300420;1444996906;mircea_popescu;moreover, if tighter and/or more stimulating were the point, why not fuck the keyhole / the hot plate.
1300421;1444996915;mircea_popescu;they're respectively even tighter and even more stimulating.
1300422;1444997045;mircea_popescu;but in more granular terms, anal is necessarily less stimulating than vaginal simply because the ass is a U whereas the vagina is a /\. only one of these is designed to give the penis the sort of stimulation it expects, ie, crescendo. or in other words : no cervix in the colon, and no constrictive muscular reaction to protect an absent cervix in the colon muscles.
1300423;1444997078;mircea_popescu;there you go shinohai.
1300424;1444997269;mircea_popescu;as to why not anal, firstly because you're probably too young and you'll move suddenly and jerkily like too young people do and hurt her ; and secondly because you live in the sticks and will give yourself an uti because you can't afford condoms ; and thirdly because you'e insane and who the fuck knows what nonsense you'll do with it (the us porn people are a fine example with their anal desinfectants and bleaching and
1300425;1444997269;mircea_popescu; whatnot).
1300426;1444997441;shinohai;!s The Last Psychiatrist anal
1300427;1444997441;assbot;0 results for 'The Last Psychiatrist anal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=The+Last+Psychiatrist+anal
1300428;1444997794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048238 = 4.4379 BTC [+]
1300429;1444998038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00047768 = 9.5058 BTC [-] {2} 
1300430;1444999499;mircea_popescu;!up Zuardi
1300431;1444999503;mircea_popescu;doh
1300432;1444999557;mircea_popescu;!up Zuardi
1300433;1444999565;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
1300434;1444999566;assbot;The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHouaN )
1300435;1444999566;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300436;1444999567;Zuardi;hi, thanks, I am still catching up with all trilema posts and this channel's log :)
1300437;1444999575;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1300438;1444999879;mircea_popescu;perhaps vaguely interesting to asciilifeform : in the comments of the original article (see http://trilema.com/2011/europa-crestina-si-alte-aberatii/#comment-71835 etc) a very familiar mechanism is at work : christian dude (who is otherwise a very clever, and well respected, commenter there), after exhausting the attempts to plead to authority ("oh you aren't qualified to discuss ; oh merkel is from a party called chri
1300439;1444999880;assbot;Europa crestina si alte aberatii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHp9Ju )
1300440;1444999880;mircea_popescu;stian something and german technology is best" etc, moves on to proposing that i am trying to diminish the importance of x. ie, he is proposing that i accept the form of his argument (xtianity matters) and debate the conclusions, in his terms.
1300441;1444999904;mircea_popescu;obviously i refuse this approach, but note the method for chrissakes. 2011, in obscure language, on obscure topic nobody gives a shit about.
1300442;1444999955;mircea_popescu;to me this strictly means that the methods "of government" are merely the methods of educated stupidity, there's nothing else there. whenever a stupid part of one's worldview tries to avail itself of the power justly earned by other parts to maintain itself, you got a government talking. and it talks the same way EVERY TIME.
1300443;1444999973;mircea_popescu;whether it's 300 million strong or just in one retired engineer's head, the same damned vocabulary, style and grammar.
1300444;1445000113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00047768 = 2.5317 BTC [-]
1300445;1445000437;fluffypony;davout: reading it now
1300446;1445000519;deedbot-;[Trilema] The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions - http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
1300447;1445000531;davout;doesn't appear to me it's anyone but his loss
1300448;1445000540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00048238 = 3.6661 BTC [+]
1300449;1445000541;davout;*anyone's
1300450;1445000576;fluffypony;yeah
1300451;1445000596;fluffypony;well lots of people told him at the beginning that those guys were dodgy
1300452;1445000666;davout;public mea culpa is pretty respectable though if you ask me
1300453;1445001016;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300194 << is it fun ?
1300454;1445001016;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 04:58:27; bagels7: I make whore dollars with my whore mouth
1300455;1445001272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00048768 = 6.5837 BTC [+] {3} 
1300456;1445001575;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."
1300457;1445001575;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 07:50:28; HeySteve: when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally
1300458;1445001598;mircea_popescu;and if he doesn't, well, twice the deposit worth of damage + whatever it costs him to break in should be just about fair.
1300459;1445001634;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300260 << so you don't return, leave them notice of breach.
1300460;1445001634;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 07:55:20; HeySteve: punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys
1300461;1445001652;mircea_popescu;seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.
1300462;1445001691;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300272 << how many landlords did you talk to ?
1300463;1445001691;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 08:01:03; HeySteve: this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too
1300464;1445001704;mircea_popescu;this "o noes we are opressed" talk is the stock in trade of the worthless class. for good reason.
1300465;1445001813;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don't need the funny ha
1300466;1445001813;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 08:05:02; HeySteve: I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that
1300467;1445001813;mircea_popescu;t. hire some dudes with guns offer the old style protection if you got what it takes. and if you do not, i'll just talk to the actual dudes in question and you'll eat your own ass so fast you'll be on youtube.
1300468;1445001895;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300277 << not unlike the idea that if liberland takes off, it'll attract good people by declaring their allegiance to a country.
1300469;1445001895;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 08:03:55; HeySteve: if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard
1300470;1445001900;mircea_popescu;guess what - that's not how it works.
1300471;1445001946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300292 << chow chow gottra be fluyffy neh ?
1300472;1445001946;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 08:21:48; *: BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog
1300473;1445001957;mircea_popescu;but otherwise yes, fluffy is actually a deffect. just like blue eyes.
1300474;1445002187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9437 @ 0.00048332 = 4.5611 BTC [-] {2} 
1300475;1445002222;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300331 << this shit's so lulzy...
1300476;1445002222;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 09:11:50; punkman: BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story
1300477;1445002248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24882 @ 0.00048802 = 12.1429 BTC [+]
1300478;1445002260;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard.
1300479;1445002357;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".
1300480;1445002357;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 09:24:38; cazalla: BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin
1300481;1445002364;mircea_popescu;the idiot crowd is generally excited enough.
1300482;1445002419;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300364 << so have fun what, not like it's going anywhere.
1300483;1445002419;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 09:55:50; cazalla: here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year
1300484;1445002465;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300368 << "yes my kitchen's infested but at least im cooking!"
1300485;1445002465;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 10:09:34; kakobrekla: >at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change
1300486;1445002469;mircea_popescu;seems legit.
1300487;1445002498;mircea_popescu;!up Jautenim
1300488;1445002532;Jautenim;wrt http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2015#1295983
1300489;1445002532;assbot;Logged on 10-10-2015 12:08:05; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
1300490;1445002546;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300377 << lol this guy. first he wants to box a steel crossbeam. then he wants to fuck with codemess off the cuff while haranguing people about their writing habits. you ever heard of PACE bingo ? hm ?
1300491;1445002546;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 10:17:42; BingoBoingo: I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.
1300492;1445002556;Jautenim;was that noticed/discussed > http://dpaste.com/3RWJER1
1300493;1445002558;assbot;dpaste: 3RWJER1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LS1vF4 )
1300494;1445002560;mircea_popescu;Jautenim what about it ?
1300495;1445002566;Jautenim;apparently same contents, different packaging
1300496;1445002618;mircea_popescu;it was not.
1300497;1445002623;mircea_popescu;is it exactly the same content ?
1300498;1445002636;Jautenim;according to diff, yes
1300499;1445002640;mircea_popescu;(this isn't a current file, it is a historical version)
1300500;1445002641;mircea_popescu;aha.
1300501;1445002655;mircea_popescu;so they at some point changed packaging to make it 10x bigger ?!
1300502;1445002677;mircea_popescu;no wait, it's really 1.5mb lighter that makes sense. ok.
1300503;1445002706;mircea_popescu;!rated Jautenim
1300504;1445002706;assbot;You rated user Jautenim on 18-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..
1300505;1445002759;mircea_popescu;cool.
1300506;1445002858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00048802 = 5.9294 BTC [+]
1300507;1445002884;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300389 << soon to come to a DMV near you!
1300508;1445002884;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 10:35:22; danielpbarron: shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.
1300509;1445003074;mircea_popescu;The DroneDefender can help protect us from those who may wish to do us harm,� said Dan Stamm, who led the research project. �It can help us in numerous settings, from the White House lawn to bases and embassies overseas; from prisons and schools to historic sites. It easily and reliably neutralizes the threat.�
1300510;1445003076;mircea_popescu;herp.
1300511;1445003142;mircea_popescu;"Faisant fi des conseils avis�s de nombre d'entre vous, j'ai pers�v�r� avec cette personne, me disant que je dois arr�ter d'abandonner juste avant la ligne d'arriv�e, ne pas m'arr�ter � la premi�re h�sitation, penser par moi-m�me et non par les autres, etc.
1300512;1445003142;mircea_popescu;J'ai eu tord."
1300513;1445003143;mircea_popescu;oookay.
1300514;1445003346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00048031 = 10.903 BTC [-] {4} 
1300515;1445003385;davout;lit. "I had bent" instead of "I was wrong" :D
1300516;1445003392;mircea_popescu;aha
1300517;1445003417;mircea_popescu;the name is very vaguely familiar, latapie, but i can't place it.
1300518;1445003432;davout;he showed up a coupla times here
1300519;1445003437;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00026077 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b28
1300520;1445003453;davout;he's also with fluffypony in monero
1300521;1445003499;fluffypony;he's a good guy
1300522;1445003505;davout;also if you're curious what a really thick accent from toulouse sounds like, listen to him
1300523;1445003511;fluffypony;but he *is* overly trusting
1300524;1445003531;mircea_popescu;a right.
1300525;1445003651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41370 @ 0.00047898 = 19.8154 BTC [-] {3} 
1300526;1445003989;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-federal-government-now-holds-nearly-50-of-all-residential-mortgages-2015-10-16
1300527;1445003990;assbot;Why the federal government now holds nearly 50% of all residential mortgages - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIek6 )
1300528;1445004018;mircea_popescu;pretty good huh.
1300529;1445004143;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, perhaps, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_media_is_the_message.html
1300530;1445004149;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Media Is The Message, And The Message Is You're An Idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIsrv )
1300531;1445004154;mircea_popescu;It is the same guys, over and over again, each in their own space, and by default we assume they are the most knowledgeable, or the most rigorous; have the most information or are best able to remain objective.  Or maybe we simply hope they'll be good enough.
1300532;1445004154;mircea_popescu;But having the same guys means that we'll be getting the same philosophies, the same filters, the same phrases.  We are guaranteeing not just groupthink, but we're allowing others  to decide what we're going to talk about, how we'll talk about it.   That's why "gay marriage" will disappear not when gays can marry but when a new set of media people get jobs and "gay marriage" isn't as interesting to them.  The actual im
1300533;1445004154;mircea_popescu;portance of "gay marriage" in the world is not at all the important question-- it may be extremely relevant, or not at all, but that's irrelevant.  Why we're stuck with "bipolar disorder" until, I don't know, the neo-analysts return with their talk of "repressed thyroid energy" or something, but emphatically not because we discover anything qualitatively new about bipolar.
1300534;1445004161;mircea_popescu;And so it goes.  If you wonder why you seem ADHD or anxious, it may be that you are being told certain things are horribly important, yet you can't seem to feel it; meanwhile you are also being told the things you thought were important are trivial. \
1300535;1445005054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98130 @ 0.0004879 = 47.8776 BTC [+] {3} 
1300536;1445005058;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/648431538896551936/jNtsqWIu.png << ahahahahaha!
1300537;1445005059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhK7Nw )
1300538;1445005060;thestringpuller;The result of quantitive easing.
1300539;1445005124;davout;mircea_popescu: lol fuck you
1300540;1445005131;mircea_popescu;no, no... lol
1300541;1445005164;mircea_popescu;i just had no idea such a respectable, fetching jeune leader was under all that muck and grime and long curly hair is all +{:D
1300542;1445005206;mircea_popescu;where's the sweater ?
1300543;1445005217;davout;heh, that's what happens when bored at a wedding, waiting for the booze to be served
1300544;1445005218;mircea_popescu;you didn't get sheared for naught, i should hope ? :D
1300545;1445005227;davout;"let's go make some linkedin pix"
1300546;1445005231;mircea_popescu;lol
1300547;1445005262;davout;i tried to get fanny to make *something* out of it
1300548;1445005279;davout;too technical apparently
1300549;1445005286;mircea_popescu;it's a great pic, srsly.
1300550;1445005296;mircea_popescu;very funny to me/us, sure, but that's besides the point.
1300551;1445005310;davout;has me on it; better be a fucking great pic :D
1300552;1445005315;mircea_popescu;lol
1300553;1445006204;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300495 << we had this here before. gnu tar versions.
1300554;1445006204;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:36:06; Jautenim: apparently same contents, different packaging
1300555;1445006289;shinohai;'One writer of the period noted that he could never feel comfortable tipping a white person, since the practice should be reserved for “Negroes.” ' http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/why-tipping-is-wrong.html?
1300556;1445006297;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RMshDS )
1300557;1445006316;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300456 << where i live, 'return keys' is a ceremonial thing, landlord traditionally changes lock each time
1300558;1445006316;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:19:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."
1300559;1445006346;mircea_popescu;no, you do.
1300560;1445006370;asciilifeform;wai wat
1300561;1445006388;mircea_popescu;...\
1300562;1445006413;asciilifeform;ah
1300563;1445006518;asciilifeform;also lulzily, where i live, not only tenants 'feel oppressed' by landlord, but (small-time) landlords also 'oh noez we are oppressed' by tenants!
1300564;1445006527;mircea_popescu;so yes, it;'s a contract like any other, it ends upon specific performance.
1300565;1445006542;mircea_popescu;if breached, the breaching party carries the cost of the whole story.
1300566;1445006549;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1300567;1445006565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the rub is that enforcement of the contract typically requires money. or, at the very least, time.
1300568;1445006572;asciilifeform;(to show up in court, press the issue, etc)
1300569;1445006579;mircea_popescu;if you don't have money your opinion about what you did is wrong.
1300570;1445006584;mircea_popescu;this is what "not having money" means.
1300571;1445006594;mircea_popescu;just like, if your mark is bad, your opinion of what you know is wrong.
1300572;1445006610;mircea_popescu;just like, if flies won't fuck you, your opinion of what's attractive is wrong. and so on.
1300573;1445006630;asciilifeform;where i live, it more typically means that you are 'more distant from the pipeline'
1300574;1445006639;asciilifeform;on account of not having chosen your parents carefully.
1300575;1445006644;mircea_popescu;mno.
1300576;1445006653;mircea_popescu;this is what the poor pretend it means. it never ever does.
1300577;1445006676;mircea_popescu;(and amusingly, the poor pretend this is an exceptional time-and-place thing but pretend so ubiquitously and at all times.)
1300578;1445006692;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzily parallels the entire "i'm special in my you're special t shirt"
1300579;1445006754;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"
1300580;1445006760;mircea_popescu;haha i guess huh
1300581;1445006778;asciilifeform;yeah yeah if you aren't on a nietzschean atomic dirigible you're nothing, i get it
1300582;1445006819;mircea_popescu;not the point!
1300583;1445007738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00047837 = 4.975 BTC [-]
1300584;1445007763;deedbot-;[fr.anco.is] X.EUR October 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-october-16th-statement/
1300585;1445007815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to get to the bottom of this matter, let's approach it from a more convenient angle.
1300586;1445007837;mircea_popescu;so, in some places/cultures, it is the habit that young men committing marriage PAY to the parents of the young bride a sum of money.
1300587;1445007850;mircea_popescu;in some other places/cultures, the habit is the reverse : the parents pay the young man to take her.
1300588;1445007860;mircea_popescu;in which of these two would you say the poor are being gypped ?
1300589;1445008139;davout;do tell!
1300590;1445008277;mircea_popescu;well obviously it's a trick question. in pastoral communities/other situations where the land is well under carrying capacity, the young man pays, because the old folk could have just drunk and made merry, but instead they put the effort into raising the filly / rose garden / whatever the dude's gonna enjoy. so they should get something for their trouble.
1300591;1445008299;mircea_popescu;conversely, in lands at carrying capacity, the old dudes gotta pay the young dude for their unwarranted priviledge of having occupied a plot of land, which he can not do.
1300592;1445008310;mircea_popescu;this, so as to prevent the young people from just burning the whole thing.
1300593;1445008352;mircea_popescu;and when inheritance changes from male only to both children, as it did in post fedual sicily, the obligation moves from her parents (as he will inherit HIS parents but not hers) to "both parents" which quickly devolves into a sort of "what rich man in the comunity wishes to sponsor this festival"
1300594;1445008375;mircea_popescu;aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
1300595;1445008414;mircea_popescu;these are tacit arrangements, you will notice : nobody bothered to type out nicely the rousseau contract of it all, nor bothered to ask the poor to sign, or even explain it to them. because fuck them they're not worth it.
1300596;1445008432;mircea_popescu;but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.
1300597;1445008445;davout;first part sorta reducing to "we'll give you money with the girl to make make rape and pillage less profitable than civilized marriage" ?
1300598;1445008456;mircea_popescu;so, if here the landlords rent out for 10 a month but you gotta pay 10 in advance "as guarantee" and there they rent out for 11 a month but you don't,
1300599;1445008458;mircea_popescu;it's the same story.
1300600;1445008468;mircea_popescu;davout exactly and strictly, yes.
1300601;1445008506;mircea_popescu;and this obviously only affects the poor to any degree - if antinous had or hadn't a trousseau or if he had to pay some homonymous coins, hadrianus couldn't have cared less.
1300602;1445008526;mircea_popescu;meanwhile - there are not enough rich people around to have the same sort of "what's done" thing going. and so they must have contracts.
1300603;1445008557;mircea_popescu;but to say you can't afford contracts AND YET you think you were gypped is basically juust to swear and attest you're poor. of course you'd think that, that's why you're poor : cause you're stupid.
1300604;1445008582;mircea_popescu;too stupid to understand how things work and why, dumb enough to focus on one metric and forget about the others ("hey, engagement is hard to measure!") etc.
1300605;1445008775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28284 @ 0.00047835 = 13.5297 BTC [-] {3} 
1300606;1445009018;mircea_popescu;"psychothis is underdiagnosed" is exactly like the court's idea that the population is juridically underserved. not so - you can't have things that are definitionally for the few (because the few don't benefit from the banal commonality of the many, soi they need something else to allow society to function).
1300607;1445009057;mircea_popescu;in a world where evereyone's deemed a gentleman, you will need ~five times the population in lawyers. and it's all a colossal waste of time anwyay, only about 1% or so of the population actually gets in relationships complex enough to merit memorialization
1300608;1445009069;mircea_popescu;which is what drives the de-professionalization of lawyers and so on and so forth.
1300609;1445009093;mircea_popescu;out of line equalitarianism is at the root of ALL social ills in the western world today, not just one or another.
1300610;1445010178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10952 @ 0.00047795 = 5.2345 BTC [-] {3} 
1300611;1445012008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9837 @ 0.00047714 = 4.6936 BTC [-] {2} 
1300612;1445012206;gabrielradio;ladies and gentlemen, step right up
1300613;1445012213;gabrielradio;we have here none other than the 2nd most read article of Trilema, now available for your literary delight in good old english
1300614;1445012222;gabrielradio;without further ado - http://pastebin.com/qGE3C9R0
1300615;1445012223;assbot;How to suck the cock – guide for half a blowjob - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMr7d5 )
1300616;1445012374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27646 @ 0.00047749 = 13.2007 BTC [+] {3} 
1300617;1445013228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00047672 = 6.9553 BTC [-]
1300618;1445013716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00048017 = 8.0909 BTC [+] {3} 
1300619;1445014204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00048183 = 8.697 BTC [+] {3} 
1300620;1445014640;punkman;"At the click of a button he sends it to a thousand matches. After half an hour no-one has responded. Worse, there’s a bounce message from some stuck-up arsehole saying he’s been blocked. He tries to argue with the bounce message, threatening to report it to the Internet Police for curtailing his Freedom of Expression. “We int doing nuffink wrong” Shithead mutters."
1300621;1445014753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00048259 = 8.1316 BTC [+] {3} 
1300622;1445016034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00047672 = 8.3664 BTC [-] {2} 
1300623;1445017071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00047863 = 6.6051 BTC [+] {3} 
1300624;1445017681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27017 @ 0.00047672 = 12.8795 BTC [-]
1300625;1445018357;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRcY1VzUwAANCSA.jpg:large
1300626;1445018358;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ6FYW )
1300627;1445019153;ben_vulpes;http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/health-care-inc/2015/10/oregon-health-insurer-to-shutter-advises-15-000.html?ana=e_ptl_bn_breakingnews&u=RnoMHlJFWJ1SB8jxKS3pGQ00e35605&t=1445016484
1300628;1445019154;assbot;Oregon health insurer to shutter, advises 15,000 customers to find other plans - Portland Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9z4ug )
1300629;1445019183;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1300630;1445019190;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: yours ?
1300631;1445019207;ben_vulpes;"the federal government announced if would pay only 12.6 percent of what is owed to insurers under the “risk corridor” program" << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299461
1300632;1445019207;assbot;Logged on 15-10-2015 15:47:33; mircea_popescu: if government does it, it's governance.
1300633;1445019219;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: odds are that mine is on the chopping block.
1300634;1445019241;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: the whole shebang is on the chopping block. only question is re: the order and timing.
1300635;1445019833;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?
1300636;1445019839;mircea_popescu;not half a blowjob.
1300637;1445019927;mircea_popescu;!t m s.qntr
1300638;1445019927;assbot;[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00016455 / 0.000178 (1283 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.0002234 / 0.00023879 (6190 shares, 1.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00023944 / 0.00034239 (42650 shares, 10.21 BTC)
1300639;1445019958;mircea_popescu;;;calc 314238*.2* 0.00016455
1300640;1445019958;gribble;10.34157258
1300641;1445019997;mircea_popescu;so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?
1300642;1445021213;mircea_popescu;ahaha well the federal government could of course pay them in ious.
1300643;1445021297;ben_vulpes;what's going to happen is that the federal government will continue to subsidize through irs
1300644;1445021322;mircea_popescu;yes, it's generally how "failed states" go : the last resort subsidy is through poor tax collection.
1300645;1445021328;ben_vulpes;ehuehueahueha
1300646;1445021329;mircea_popescu;welcome to mexico.
1300647;1445021340;ben_vulpes; /intentional/ poor tax collection?
1300648;1445021341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00047704 = 10.2087 BTC [+] {4} 
1300649;1445021348;ben_vulpes;it just looks like welfare by another name.
1300650;1445021349;mircea_popescu;define "intentional"
1300651;1445021357;mircea_popescu;what the fuck do you think happens unintentionally ?
1300652;1445021370;mircea_popescu;"i'm not fat because i want to, it's just my genes"
1300653;1445021383;mircea_popescu;"we don't poorly collect because intentionally, it's just hard to do!!1"
1300654;1445021458;ben_vulpes;"we're not collecting poorly, we're denoting this group for large refunds at the end of the year"
1300655;1445021463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.39028209 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 13 satoshi per share
1300656;1445021463;ben_vulpes;marking, rather
1300657;1445021470;mircea_popescu;aha
1300658;1445021477;mircea_popescu;"we're still in control over here"
1300659;1445021495;ben_vulpes;and those refund checks are turkey-buyin-dollars
1300660;1445021511;ben_vulpes;well no, nobody's arguing that they're in control.
1300661;1445021517;ben_vulpes;they've made promises that are going to bankrupt them.
1300662;1445021524;ben_vulpes;"affordable health insurance!"
1300663;1445021546;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1300664;1445021560;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: wai wut, as if they were not bankrupt already long ago ?
1300665;1445021564;ben_vulpes;the right thereto...
1300666;1445021623;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: when did the weimar republic go bankrupt?
1300667;1445021636;mircea_popescu;NEVER!1!1
1300668;1445021647;ascii_field;^
1300669;1445021649;mircea_popescu;nobel prize economist said you can never go bankrupt borrowing in your own currency and so it's true
1300670;1445021768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6688 @ 0.00047935 = 3.2059 BTC [+]
1300671;1445022131;ben_vulpes;yeah what the hell *does* it mean to be bankrupt when you can print the notes in which your loans are denominated?
1300672;1445022134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24494 @ 0.00048638 = 11.9134 BTC [+] {4} 
1300673;1445022171;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: it means - if it means anything - that the music stops.
1300674;1445022195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.00048622 = 2.9718 BTC [-]
1300675;1445022211;ben_vulpes;sure, but that it *will* stop, or that it *has* stopped?
1300676;1445022222;ascii_field;that it has.
1300677;1445022306;ben_vulpes;eh so the place has a decade left before 'bankrupt' if such has meaning outside of bitcoin
1300678;1445022383;mircea_popescu;the place has as long as the chinese please.
1300679;1445022392;mircea_popescu;a week or a century, ask mr xi.
1300680;1445022500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 137.10466440 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 27 satoshi per share
1300681;1445022515;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0681V2X.txt
1300682;1445022516;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3HJF )
1300683;1445022521;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/06WQVW9.txt
1300684;1445022522;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3GoV )
1300685;1445022522;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1300686;1445022568;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/06WQVW9.txt
1300687;1445022569;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3GoV )
1300688;1445022570;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1300689;1445022577;trinque;weird.
1300690;1445022583;*;trinque looks at logs
1300691;1445022590;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300596 << for my education: what would it look like, in mircea_popescu's picture, for the poor to be properly gypped ?
1300692;1445022590;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 15:13:52; mircea_popescu: but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.
1300693;1445022620;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what would PROPERLY written perl look like ?
1300694;1445022621;ascii_field;does one divide by zero just by asking this ?
1300695;1445022624;mircea_popescu;yes.
1300696;1445022679;ascii_field;does mircea_popescu recall his own article re: how the caveat re: treating people as cows, is that one must first make sure the entire lot actually ~is~ bovine ?
1300697;1445022684;mircea_popescu;trinque they just overlapped, seems fine.
1300698;1445022694;mircea_popescu;ascii_field yes.
1300699;1445022724;trinque;yeh, looked like it went in
1300700;1445022728;mircea_popescu;this is the process whereby it's made sure. as the guy describes. "deposit fraud". hey check it out, some dcs charge a set-up fee. "dc fraud". herp.
1300701;1445022783;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: iirc thread was about fraud proper, where contract promises 'you get this back' but the response is 'haha, whatchagonnadoaboutit'
1300702;1445022822;ascii_field;nobody promises to give dc setup fee back.
1300703;1445022829;mircea_popescu;not my reading.
1300704;1445022874;mircea_popescu;we don't have the contract before our eyes, but im willing to bet it reads "and renter to return place IN THE SAME CONDITION" which by tradition is interpreted in that locale that you pay for the fumigation after you're done in the shape of an upfront thing.
1300705;1445022895;mircea_popescu;words mean nothing in and of themselves, and the pretense to the contrary is always self-serving bullshit when deployed in such contexts, "oh, i can't afford to litigate"
1300706;1445022897;ascii_field;can't speak for other side of the atlantic, but over here 'security deposit' is to be returned to the tenant when he leaves, minus repair costs, the latter to be presented in writing and with receipts from repairmen
1300707;1445022905;mircea_popescu;the REASON you can't afford to litigate is THAT you are making bullshit up.
1300708;1445022927;mircea_popescu;and did you not get your deposit back ?
1300709;1445023005;ascii_field;well, interestingly, i personally did. the last time i checked out of a flat. but knew others, who rented in same building, who did not, and without any particularly good reason other than 'landlord knew they hadn't what to sue with'
1300710;1445023025;mircea_popescu;but anyway, all of this is nonsense. if IN GENERAL landlords keep the deposit, then IT IS JUST A COST. like part of the cost of renting. and if you somehow magically push this valve shut,
1300711;1445023030;mircea_popescu;guess the fuck what ? rents are going to go up!
1300712;1445023032;mircea_popescu;herpitty-derp.
1300713;1445023041;thestringpuller;renting vs buying: a choice between two bowls of shit in the US
1300714;1445023041;mircea_popescu;that's the point. that nominalism never fixed anything.
1300715;1445023045;ascii_field;this - yes
1300716;1445023049;mircea_popescu;well that's all it is.
1300717;1445023054;mircea_popescu;"the poor never get gypped". this.
1300718;1445023066;thestringpuller;either pay the government scandalous property taxes, or get butt fucked by a landlord
1300719;1445023081;mircea_popescu;and "knew others" is also bullshit. you knew others in the sense of what they chose to present
1300720;1445023091;mircea_popescu;\were they your slaves ? did you know them in the penis-in-colon sense ?
1300721;1445023108;ascii_field;nope.
1300722;1445023121;mircea_popescu;so then for all you know they smoked in a non-smoking place.
1300723;1445023126;ascii_field;i didn't hang'em up upside-down and connect to the mains to get the truth, no.
1300724;1445023138;mircea_popescu;so i'll just discount it.
1300725;1445023282;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The problem. It’s not “in the industry.” It’s inside of you. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/16/the-problem-its-not-in-the-industry-its-inside-of-you/
1300726;1445023446;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1300727;1445023574;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: back to the 'poor' thread, i can't comment re: your planet, but on mine we have no shortage of imbeciles with fat wallets and penniless erdöses
1300728;1445023599;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1300729;1445023609;ascii_field;precisely why should the latter consider the former 'their betters' ?
1300730;1445023613;mircea_popescu;because from what i hear on your planet the life expectancy of lottery winner is 3 years.
1300731;1445023616;mircea_popescu;seems to be working fine.
1300732;1445023623;ascii_field;smart folks don't play
1300733;1445023643;mircea_popescu;not germane, is it ?
1300734;1445023670;ascii_field;sure is. lottery players are drawn from the stinking-poor. while i'm describing the cultured-poor.
1300735;1445023776;mircea_popescu;your desire to enact this difference is noted.
1300736;1445023800;mircea_popescu;but from what i hear the "cultured poor" a la ers fare not much better.
1300737;1445023804;mircea_popescu;maybe the 3 is a 7.
1300738;1445023822;ascii_field;where do i go to see this ?
1300739;1445023836;mircea_popescu;to the logs! remember, we were mocking him last week ?
1300740;1445023848;ascii_field;who ?
1300741;1445023916;mircea_popescu;erric raymond
1300742;1445023943;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you reminded me of story of girl who sold a company in college for a couple million and then ended up overdosing the next day
1300743;1445023951;ascii_field;1) he wasn't paid in genuine money 2) i'm not convinced that he's a cultured man
1300744;1445023959;ascii_field;*wasn't rich in
1300745;1445023960;mircea_popescu;oic.
1300746;1445023964;mircea_popescu;lol.k.
1300747;1445024075;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller die young leave a corpse with nice tits, eh ?
1300748;1445024123;ascii_field;thestringpuller: overdosed on what? caviar ?
1300749;1445024179;mircea_popescu;buttsex
1300750;1445024204;mircea_popescu;ftr - you CAN get sick from too much caviar. and it's not fucking pretty.
1300751;1445024208;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041206 << see also
1300752;1445024208;assbot;Logged on 04-03-2015 06:52:52; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does engl. have a catch-term for 'fatal buggery' ?
1300753;1445024241;mircea_popescu;kik
1300754;1445024391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00047671 = 15.9221 BTC [-]
1300755;1445025020;mircea_popescu;and in the truly scary range, http://33.media.tumblr.com/26d8988a0402af90925cb5cf83c68db8/tumblr_nujj9vaoUA1u5ddqjo1_400.gif
1300756;1445025021;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MukVQZ )
1300757;1445025354;ben_vulpes;looks like 'dexter'
1300758;1445025491;mircea_popescu;whassat ? not the cartoon ?
1300759;1445025567;ben_vulpes;neat hbo show about a serial killer
1300760;1445025574;mircea_popescu;a
1300761;1445025582;ben_vulpes;works as a homicide lab tech
1300762;1445025611;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/fb02d6cdd0d2794db550661625d5468f/tumblr_nvv5k9KdED1usuisio1_1280.gif
1300763;1445025614;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxnFCq )
1300764;1445025719;ben_vulpes;flesh
1300765;1445025723;ben_vulpes;surprisingly resilient
1300766;1445025747;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1300767;1445025754;ascii_field;good ol'strappado
1300768;1445025971;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard. << Ah
1300769;1445026017;mircea_popescu;o, also http://38.media.tumblr.com/aafd26d24253d47e8d506b54187ede26/tumblr_nn7r8dCZb81uswp8qo1_500.gif
1300770;1445026018;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mumnmm )
1300771;1445026071;VariaVarietatis;mircea_popescu: Someone made a documentary about that site(looks like Brent Scott) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_Sexual_Horror tits girl
1300772;1445026072;assbot;Graphic Sexual Horror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MumpL4 )
1300773;1445026102;mircea_popescu;o.O
1300774;1445026465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16025 @ 0.00047671 = 7.6393 BTC [-]
1300775;1445026508;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/S%26P500_(1950-12).jpg <<< bwaghahaha
1300776;1445026508;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pxopav )
1300777;1445026510;mircea_popescu;no inflation!
1300778;1445027014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00047637 = 8.1459 BTC [-] {2} 
1300779;1445028218;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: can't you see where they take the extra money out?!
1300780;1445028966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00047961 = 7.1942 BTC [-]
1300781;1445029149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25020 @ 0.00048277 = 12.0789 BTC [+] {4} 
1300782;1445029821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00048648 = 8.1729 BTC [+]
1300783;1445029957;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300479 <<< this is actually what i mean, i guess i should flesh out my thoughts a bit more before mashing enter
1300784;1445029957;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:32:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".
1300785;1445030111;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes extra money ? lol.
1300786;1445030114;cazalla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300641 <<< sounds reasonable provided bb gives his OK
1300787;1445030114;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 18:26:37; mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?
1300788;1445030140;mircea_popescu;alrighty i think we got an agreement there. post an addy an' we'll have a memorandum on deedbot laters.
1300789;1445030275;cazalla;19EQBR8c4yGu1g9KinfcWFydHo1M2hsJMj
1300790;1445030295;cazalla;will also need to push domain to either yours or bb's namecheap, or it can remain in mine but either way
1300791;1445030335;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1300792;1445030347;ascii_field;cazalla is going moiety ?
1300793;1445030364;*;ascii_field takes off hat
1300794;1445030390;cazalla;ascii_field, not exactly (but i do need to find a job), just want a break from everything bitcoin so i can go find something else
1300795;1445030404;shinohai;http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Wilder-Accident-Jack-333185411.html   <<< Least he died jackin' off
1300796;1445030405;assbot;Wilder man, 36, working on vehicle dies after it slips off jack | Local & Regional | Boise, Meridian, Nampa, Caldwell, Idaho News, Weather, Sports and Breaking News - KBOI 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKNA26 )
1300797;1445030655;mircea_popescu;yeah good idea.
1300798;1445030796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00048648 = 6.0324 BTC [+]
1300799;1445031212;shinohai;Some enterprising individuals in this area will often lift cars using cinder blocks, as if $19.99 is too much to rent a pair of jackstands and do it right.
1300800;1445031684;mircea_popescu;!up hermeto
1300801;1445031955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00048648 = 6.2756 BTC [+] {3} 
1300802;1445032059;ascii_field;* Written by Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, 1995.  *  * Heavily modified for GnuPG by <wk@gnupg.org> * << l0l
1300803;1445032128;ascii_field;and moar,
1300804;1445032129;ascii_field;http://dpaste.com/10CCTW0.txt
1300805;1445032130;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNgRBk )
1300806;1445033236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00048507 = 15.4495 BTC [-]
1300807;1445033489;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1300808;1445033496;ascii_field;http://blog.geeky-boy.com/2015/10/windows-corrupting-udp-datagrams.html << Run Moar Winblowz!!
1300809;1445033497;assbot;The Meditative Coder: Windows corrupting UDP datagrams ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKR0Sr )
1300810;1445034334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24187 @ 0.00048378 = 11.7012 BTC [-] {3} 
1300811;1445034761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12169 @ 0.00048656 = 5.9209 BTC [+] {3} 
1300812;1445035310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26552 @ 0.00048797 = 12.9566 BTC [+] {3} 
1300813;1445036042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2577 @ 0.00048852 = 1.2589 BTC [+]
1300814;1445037384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9156 @ 0.00048883 = 4.4757 BTC [+]
1300815;1445037445;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0004827 = 5.2132 BTC [-]
1300816;1445038116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00048883 = 2.0775 BTC [+]
1300817;1445038462;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300090 << like sending your enemy rifle parts that can only be assembled to shoot backwards, into gunner.
1300818;1445038462;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 00:57:32; mircea_popescu: "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."
1300819;1445038731;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300100 << this'd be interesting to verify personally, however anecdotally, except that i'm missing one key condition ...
1300820;1445038731;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 01:01:56; mircea_popescu: "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels.  One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer rec
1300821;1445038747;pete_dushenski;"The husbands were observed by their wives to be less sensitive to the kids than other fathers and helped less with parenting."  << seems to be a crucial one.
1300822;1445038773;pete_dushenski;whereas an fathering hero is me !
1300823;1445038827;pete_dushenski;thanks in no small part to my self-promotional marketing campaign, naturally
1300824;1445038869;pete_dushenski;interesting article though. will definitely pass it along to the other girls. y'know, for science.
1300825;1445038999;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu for whom does gnu-mpi have the jacobi, legendre, kronecker, lucas knobs?! i have failed to turn up any instance of anyone ever having used them. or even tested.
1300826;1445038999;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300827;1445039003;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300111 << and all that hockey hullabaloo !
1300828;1445039003;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:20; mircea_popescu: blame canada.
1300829;1445039072;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
1300830;1445039073;assbot;Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXCS4E )
1300831;1445039136;*;asciilifeform can't actually think of kronecker without also thinking of cantor frothing in lunatic asylum
1300832;1445039275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5846 @ 0.0004827 = 2.8219 BTC [-]
1300833;1445039277;asciilifeform;https://www.ucalgary.ca/rzach/blog/2009/09/logic-and-madness.html << lulzy, related.
1300834;1445039594;pete_dushenski;o hey i was just in calgary on wednesday
1300835;1445039613;pete_dushenski;not that richard zach and i crossed paths...
1300836;1445039722;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300128 << 'there is nothing either good nor bad but thinking makes it so'
1300837;1445039722;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 01:24:54; mircea_popescu: there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;
1300838;1445039766;*;asciilifeform observes that it is bidirectionally correlated with goatfucking, 1.0.
1300839;1445039841;pete_dushenski;it's certainly for the type of non-intellectual who can neither reason with girl nor find alternative avenue of action through which to persuade her
1300840;1445039876;pete_dushenski;it's nonverbal, maybe that's what goatfucking means ?
1300841;1445039895;asciilifeform;literal fucking of goats.
1300842;1445039985;pete_dushenski;well yes.
1300843;1445040007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.0004827 = 6.5401 BTC [-]
1300844;1445040013;pete_dushenski;this being the dominion of people for whom grunts and shouts pass for 'communication'
1300845;1445040028;pete_dushenski;not polyglots who read chaucer in bed
1300846;1445040032;asciilifeform;nothing to do with it:
1300847;1445040054;asciilifeform;where the gurlz are sufficiently corralled, goats end up the default fuck.
1300848;1445040094;pete_dushenski;lol i guess that's another angle eh
1300849;1445040129;pete_dushenski;man will fuck what man can fuck
1300850;1445040153;pete_dushenski;which i guess is just 'if you can, you must' re-stated
1300851;1445040190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60150 @ 0.00048107 = 28.9364 BTC [-] {8} 
1300852;1445040232;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1300853;1445040233;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.23, Best ask: 263.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 263.48, 24 hour volume: 21906.13567276, 24 hour low: 254.91, 24 hour high: 267.83, 24 hour vwap: None
1300854;1445040410;pete_dushenski;!up starsoccer
1300855;1445040459;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300326 << cost is high, yes. plus, giftwrapping makes people suspicious, like 'is this too good to be true?'
1300856;1445040459;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 09:05:26; BingoBoingo: So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.
1300857;1445040474;pete_dushenski;same problem as bitcoin evangelising
1300858;1445040489;pete_dushenski;the problem the preacher has is that he never knows who he's going to convery
1300859;1445040493;pete_dushenski;convert*
1300860;1445040715;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300362 << taking a break clears the mind. not totally surprising that cazalla feels this way given the hints he's been broadcasting re: moar disintrest in qntra. understandable and looking forward to seeing him back again when he's ready :)
1300861;1445040715;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 09:48:04; cazalla: punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break
1300862;1445040917;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
1300863;1445040918;mircea_popescu;red hat ?
1300864;1445040975;mircea_popescu;<pete_dushenski> whereas an fathering hero is me ! << this too shall pass.
1300865;1445040996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me.
1300866;1445041028;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu so will all my days, doesn't mean i'm not going to milk each and every one of them
1300867;1445041097;mircea_popescu;hehe
1300868;1445041148;pete_dushenski;;;later tell heysteve re: real estate, you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/ ?
1300869;1445041149;assbot;Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GarvQ1 )
1300870;1445041149;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300871;1445041164;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you rend out iirc ?
1300872;1445041175;mircea_popescu;ah yea, managed some small office building thing, i recall.
1300873;1445041181;pete_dushenski;indeed.
1300874;1445041194;mircea_popescu;nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it
1300875;1445041213;pete_dushenski;maybe it's a canadian thing ?
1300876;1445041243;mircea_popescu;i on the other hand have held under lease tens of millions worth (dubviously, which is why i lease in the first place) of real estate the world over during the past decade or so...
1300877;1445041249;pete_dushenski;my residential property brings in ~$6-7k/yr
1300878;1445041252;mircea_popescu;i guess b-a is a very good venue to discuss the matter.
1300879;1445041275;pete_dushenski;ie. not enough to live off
1300880;1445041349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00047588 = 21.7001 BTC [-] {2} 
1300881;1445041415;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu fwiw you're new keyboard seems markedly worse than you old one in terms of accuracy, at least on irc if not trilema. many a spurious \\\ etc
1300882;1445041445;mircea_popescu;the problem is that im using three now
1300883;1445041456;mircea_popescu;and they're not exactly the same one
1300884;1445041486;pete_dushenski;why three ?
1300885;1445041523;mircea_popescu;well one's here, the one's playing eulora
1300886;1445041694;pete_dushenski;i'm only counting two there
1300887;1445041752;mircea_popescu;close enough.
1300888;1445041895;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-10-2015#1298016 << update: adam_obrien and i played golf this afternoon and chatted about pgp key-signing. in his excitement at discovering the command line tools, he tried out everything he could find (he's an enthusiastic kid!) and yes, signed my key. he was quite surprised to learn that this changed the key block on the sks etc servers.. fwiw
1300889;1445041895;assbot;Logged on 13-10-2015 18:24:46; mircea_popescu: anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.
1300890;1445041925;mircea_popescu;it's no big deal really.
1300891;1445042000;pete_dushenski;more curiousity, yes
1300892;1445042068;pete_dushenski;;;later tell hdbuck i think you 'withdraw your objection', rather than 'rest your case'. http://qntra.net/2015/10/uber-provides-alibi-for-armed-robbery/#comment-67516
1300893;1445042069;assbot;Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GasnEj )
1300894;1445042069;mircea_popescu;o wait, 260ish now ? tsk tsk.
1300895;1445042069;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1300896;1445042094;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu tsk tsk ?? lol like someone's been bad ?
1300897;1445042129;mircea_popescu;i tyhought bitcoin was supposed to be dead etc.
1300898;1445042420;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300579 << is it ? canada does it too, but 'commonwealth'. how about you, cazalla ? marks or grades ?
1300899;1445042420;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 14:45:54; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"
1300900;1445042447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00047588 = 9.6128 BTC [-]
1300901;1445042933;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :)
1300902;1445042933;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 16:17:02; gabrielradio: without further ado - http://pastebin.com/qGE3C9R0
1300903;1445043571;pete_dushenski;off to dinner, cheers !
1300904;1445044338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00048883 = 9.0922 BTC [+] {2} 
1300905;1445045680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00047579 = 16.4861 BTC [-] {3} 
1300906;1445045853;cazalla;pete_dushenski, ya know, i can't honestly remember what they're called down under (thanks for other comments too)
1300907;1445046046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22827 @ 0.00047544 = 10.8529 BTC [-] {3} 
1300908;1445048892;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300865 << interestingly, they are ~not~ in the mpi seen in gpg 1.4.10... hence the 'where??'
1300909;1445048892;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 00:16:36; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me.
1300910;1445049013;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300862 << one sees disproportionate output from drepper, esr, etc., folks who spent the past 20+ yrs walking around in search of things to infect
1300911;1445049013;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 00:15:17; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
1300912;1445049052;asciilifeform;(normally not even for any consciously organized purpose, but out of pure narcissism and perhaps cv padding)
1300913;1445049077;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300874 << iirc he expelled his boarder
1300914;1445049077;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 00:19:54; mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it
1300915;1445049096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00048209 = 5.8092 BTC [+]
1300916;1445049559;funkenstein_;funk_add_privkey_wallet_tools.vpatch <-- experimental patch sent to btc-dev mailing list
1300917;1445049603;ben_vulpes;nowai
1300918;1445049605;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: didja sign it correctly? not seeing anything
1300919;1445049653;funkenstein_;i thought so but hey, you know how that goes..
1300920;1445049690;ben_vulpes;armored and clearsigned body + patch + patch.sig, right?
1300921;1445049702;funkenstein_;yup
1300922;1445049797;funkenstein_;outgoing email source http://dpaste.com/184SVMG
1300923;1445049799;assbot;dpaste: 184SVMG ... ( http://bit.ly/1jJrZSo )
1300924;1445050119;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: 0.6 didn't have importprivkey...
1300925;1445050175;funkenstein_;asciilifeform, well then somebody's messing with me
1300926;1445050183;asciilifeform;who?
1300927;1445050194;asciilifeform;i thought you wrote it ?
1300928;1445050290;asciilifeform;or hm, nm
1300929;1445050305;asciilifeform;0.6.3.
1300930;1445050373;funkenstein_;i grabbed some source labeled 0.6.0 which had importprivkey
1300931;1445050478;ben_vulpes;ye olde question of provenance
1300932;1445050495;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: and how did you test ?
1300933;1445050524;funkenstein_;i input a few keys.. they went into the keystore, nothing odd happened
1300934;1445050543;funkenstein_;they later appeared on dumpprivkeys
1300935;1445050545;asciilifeform;funkenstein_: didja send a tx ?
1300936;1445050579;funkenstein_;not yet, just about to
1300937;1445050601;funkenstein_;well, not synced
1300938;1445050743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00048209 = 2.7961 BTC [+]
1300939;1445050847;mircea_popescu;!up maximian
1300940;1445050928;*;asciilifeform on first reading, thinks that the draft patch breaks key generation
1300941;1445050959;*;asciilifeform will look again when more awake.
1300942;1445051475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6215 @ 0.0004778 = 2.9695 BTC [-]
1300943;1445051947;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300433 << mircea_popescu comparing the two is pretty instructive for me, i think i got a better idea now
1300944;1445051947;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 12:46:05; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
1300945;1445051959;mircea_popescu;wim
1300946;1445051961;mircea_popescu;win*
1300947;1445052116;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300635 << thinking about it, it should have been obvious from the article
1300948;1445052116;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 18:23:53; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?
1300949;1445052203;mircea_popescu;lotta gotchas like that.
1300950;1445052221;mircea_popescu;but i guess the old adage stands, that there's no better way to understand a text than to try and translate it\
1300951;1445052266;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/fbfba8eb7cdef00530de28c8ac512902/tumblr_nqs6ozbRVs1tlluajo1_400.gif
1300952;1445052267;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XailHg )
1300953;1445052390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00048209 = 6.3482 BTC [+]
1300954;1445052647;asciilifeform;^ now that's an interesting bit of stage magic. i suspect that the two instruments (strappado and spanish horse) cancel out
1300955;1445052779;mircea_popescu;if you measure correctly you can get her to where she's not totally murdering herself on that thing. not trivial.
1300956;1445052794;phf;sort of the whole point
1300957;1445052932;mircea_popescu;as opposed to the whore point.
1300958;1445053341;asciilifeform;bucky fuller called this 'tensegrity'
1300959;1445053513;mircea_popescu;aha. it's particularly difficult in humans, because as ben_vulpes observes, flesh.
1300960;1445053535;mircea_popescu;also that's probably the worst presentation for it, seeing how the shoulder articulation actually unhinges.
1300961;1445053812;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net...
1300962;1445053814;assbot;bytecode interpreters for tiny computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1XajRJo )
1300963;1445053924;ben_vulpes;no closed form solution for the three body solution eh?
1300964;1445053929;ben_vulpes;three body problem*
1300965;1445053977;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i see nobody orbiting...
1300966;1445054018;ben_vulpes;orbital subset is just a subset of the general stability problems
1300967;1445054050;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it ain't a '3body' unless you have 3 bodies free in motion
1300968;1445054091;ben_vulpes;all bodies are in motion in some reference frame
1300969;1445054127;ben_vulpes;fine it's not a three body problem its a stretchypainavoidantthing/gravity/pointything problem
1300970;1445054167;asciilifeform;any other fundamental boojum, go and abuse, but this one - i felt on own skin.
1300971;1445054233;ben_vulpes;what, the spanish horse?
1300972;1445054239;asciilifeform;mno
1300973;1445054242;asciilifeform;the 3-body problem.
1300974;1445054254;ben_vulpes;:P
1300975;1445054278;ben_vulpes;what do you mean 'felt on own skin'?
1300976;1445054300;asciilifeform;it's in the logz.
1300977;1445054352;ben_vulpes;!s three body problem
1300978;1445054352;assbot;5 results for 'three body problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=three+body+problem
1300979;1445054430;mircea_popescu;;;google "moving bodies in own gravitational field" visegrad
1300980;1445054431;gribble;Mass, Momentum and Energy of Gravitational Field: <http://serg.fedosin.ru/masen.htm>; Gravitational field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_field>; GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS - Catedu: <http://catedu.es/cnice/fisica/english/2bach/campo_gravitatorio/ecampo_gravitatorio.pdf>
1300981;1445054443;mircea_popescu;heh. lost to history.
1300982;1445054462;mircea_popescu;;;google first step to nobel prize in physics visegrad
1300983;1445054464;gribble;FIRST STEP TO NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS: <http://www.ifpan.edu.pl/firststep/>; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_to_Nobel_Prize_in_Physics>; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Foton: <http://www.foton.if.uj.edu.pl/documents/12579485/496b69d7-c808-40d4-970a-dc88980786cc>
1300984;1445054472;mircea_popescu;oh ok, that is recorded.
1300985;1445054708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11507 @ 0.00048913 = 5.6284 BTC [+] {4} 
1300986;1445054735;ben_vulpes;in other news, bloom county's back
1300987;1445054761;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1300988;1445054836;ben_vulpes;us satire comic spanning the eighties
1300989;1445054897;mircea_popescu;a
1300990;1445054916;ben_vulpes;http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bananaad.gif
1300991;1445054917;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakJh2 )
1300992;1445054935;ben_vulpes;ahaha the banana
1300993;1445054961;mircea_popescu;Second, one might ask why this is happening to boys more than girls.  It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded.  So it makes sense that affluent parents-- any parents-- who have the option, will redshirt their five year old boy and hope he gets another year of maturity under his belt so that-- and this is my point-- he can keep up with th
1300994;1445054961;mircea_popescu;e girls.  So the problem isn't simply that boys mature slower than girls, it is that they are required to perform the same exact skills at the same exact time.  Any surprise boys hate school more, "ADHD" is more prevalent, etc?  And there is more anxiety and thus pressure about the potential ineptitude of sons than daughters.
1300995;1445054965;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_graying_of_kindergarten_th.html
1300996;1445054966;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Graying Of Kindergarten: The Goal Is To Keep Them In Puberty, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakP8p )
1300997;1445054983;mircea_popescu;the result of making education "more inclusive" ? society gets tuned out by the most important half of itself.
1300998;1445054985;mircea_popescu;way to go.
1300999;1445055037;mircea_popescu;somehow the obvious "if you've not managed to sell school to boys you failed" is not getting across. "girls will stick with it because that's what girls ARE" is not even possible to contemplate.
1301000;1445055046;mircea_popescu;then people wanna know "what went wrong"
1301001;1445055057;ben_vulpes;http://i58.tinypic.com/w7j0j7.jpg << still relevant
1301002;1445055059;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakQJu )
1301003;1445055132;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people are willing to earnestly contemplate the sad truth that you HAVE TO tell small boys that they're better than small girls, and you HAVE TO construct everything to make them actually believe it. nobody wants to do this, everyone has to do this, because the alternative is, plainly speaking, death.
1301004;1445055153;asciilifeform;which death
1301005;1445055235;mircea_popescu;the death where everyone runs around like a headless chicken while the economy disappears "all by itself" and every war is lost (and scarcely even worth the name)
1301006;1445055296;mircea_popescu;the death where mp is NOT EVEN IMPRESSED. and he's from fucking romanistan!
1301007;1445055332;asciilifeform;.. but why is it necessary to 'tell them they're better'
1301008;1445055338;asciilifeform;if this is a self-evident thing
1301009;1445055350;mircea_popescu;to quote, for truth :
1301010;1445055371;mircea_popescu;" It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded."
1301011;1445055384;mircea_popescu;the problem is that boys are retarded while girls are useless.
1301012;1445055402;mircea_popescu;retarded, that you can fix.
1301013;1445055414;asciilifeform;to industry, quite the opposite of useless. biorobot. assemble ipnohe, all day, every day.
1301014;1445055420;mircea_popescu;not for all of them, but you don't need to, and it doesn't work reliably either, but you don't need it to, either.
1301015;1445055420;asciilifeform;precisely the kind of creature called for.
1301016;1445055426;mircea_popescu;mno.
1301017;1445055441;asciilifeform;see many boiz in cn factory floor ?
1301018;1445055513;mircea_popescu;how many boyz in the successful satellite launch ?
1301019;1445055531;mircea_popescu;who designed their winning rockets, and more importantly, who decided to even go that way ?
1301020;1445055533;ben_vulpes;http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/Bloom%20County.gif << lmk when the nyooz goes out haxxed, then perhaps there is enough windows
1301021;1445055534;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xalgjj )
1301022;1445055548;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one korolev designs, 10,001 biorobots - assemble.
1301023;1445055554;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pretty good.
1301024;1445055562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is the meaning of useless.
1301025;1445055565;asciilifeform;school is not for producing korolev (even if anyone knew how...) it produces biorobots.
1301026;1445055607;mircea_popescu;not so.
1301027;1445055633;mircea_popescu;school is for providing the background where korolev grows up. both he and the background are unaware of what they're doing there.
1301028;1445055639;mircea_popescu;but that's what the WHOLE THING is for.
1301029;1445055648;mircea_popescu;that one guy. the rest you can pour gasoline on.
1301030;1445055686;asciilifeform;what's he to do alone?
1301031;1445055694;asciilifeform;write into desk drawer?
1301032;1445055707;mircea_popescu;we just said he's not alone.
1301033;1445055729;asciilifeform;ah background.
1301034;1445055752;mircea_popescu;aha.
1301035;1445055783;asciilifeform;anyway, yes, in practice, this. but to the extent anyone designed the whole shebang, it was for biorobots.
1301036;1445055790;phf;sort of like ender's game model, other boys are also there for him to sharpen his faculties
1301037;1445055798;asciilifeform;(bismarckian public 'education', that is)
1301038;1445055803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform NO IT WASNT
1301039;1445055806;mircea_popescu;that's the damned beauty of it.
1301040;1445055810;ben_vulpes;http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86955&d=1339727948 << one for stan
1301041;1445055819;mircea_popescu;to the extent it EVER worked, it was specifically designed koan-style by koan-aware people for that one guy.
1301042;1445055832;mircea_popescu;in both western and eastern tradition, at that!
1301043;1445055858;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: l0lz
1301044;1445055868;ben_vulpes;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f1/d7/64/f1d7640bec3aa3bbded2d46ac991457e.jpg << and one for mp
1301045;1445055869;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XalvL5 )
1301046;1445055875;mircea_popescu;yes murican "educational experts" never got wtf the thing is for or about. because whatever, paint copysts.
1301047;1445055939;mircea_popescu;mens ranch lol
1301048;1445055943;mircea_popescu;why not "dude ranch"\
1301049;1445055951;ben_vulpes;mens "kouch"!
1301050;1445055973;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1301051;1445056111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39312 @ 0.00048917 = 19.2303 BTC [+] {2} 
1301052;1445056157;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the point : unless you actually spend the inordinate amount of effort and make-believe into getting boys appear (to themselves, and to others) actually worth the effort, they won't be. and from there on the whole shebang unravels.
1301053;1445056190;mircea_popescu;it's rather instructive to compare the "what they were telling 5yo boys" sides of historical conflicts, with the "who won", check out that r!
1301054;1445056350;mircea_popescu;and no, bismarckian public education is the original PRODUCTIVE scam. that's why the system even survived through centuries (and really, the same shit held up classical antiquity, just, different name)
1301055;1445056385;mircea_popescu;"lie to little boys about their value, which is absent ; lie to little girls about their inferiority, which is nonsense. come out ahead of "saner" people."
1301056;1445056399;mircea_popescu;nutty, but the fit flavour of nut.
1301057;1445056519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on a not-unrelated note, i learned that a few floors down from my office there is a ~pediatric shrink~. prolly prescribes dope, even.
1301058;1445056530;asciilifeform;didja know there was such a thing.
1301059;1445056572;mircea_popescu;in the states ? myeah.
1301060;1445056579;asciilifeform;where else!
1301061;1445056700;mircea_popescu;who did you think was prescribing all the ritalin, obgyns ?
1301062;1445056728;asciilifeform;l0l
1301063;1445056760;asciilifeform;for some reason i imagined that it were done by field medics in schools or the like.
1301064;1445056775;mircea_popescu;yet another reason i don't feel inclined to procreate : i don't actually know of a group for whose sake i'd be willing to lie to eventual daughters.
1301065;1445056803;asciilifeform;see april (c3!) thread, incidentally.
1301066;1445056868;ben_vulpes;that's the sweetest thing i've ever seen from you, mircea_popescu
1301067;1445057453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00048917 = 4.3536 BTC [+]
1301068;1445057623;mircea_popescu;ha.
1301069;1445057636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11651 @ 0.00048543 = 5.6557 BTC [-]
1301070;1445057915;gabrielradio;mircea_popescu, i find your stance on procreating intriguing. i'm curious, would you be inclined to say have biological kids, but not raise them yourself?
1301071;1445057933;mircea_popescu;notrly
1301072;1445057960;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't raise them myself anyway, what do they have mothers for ?
1301073;1445057968;gabrielradio;exactly my thoughts
1301074;1445057994;gabrielradio;so i for one don't find that many drawbacks to parenthood
1301075;1445058017;gabrielradio;probably because i am not one yet, who knows
1301076;1445058030;mircea_popescu;how about "i don't feel like wasting any of the women i can stand enough to fuck on this fool's errand" ?
1301077;1445058172;gabrielradio;any? not even one, for the sake of it?
1301078;1445058185;mircea_popescu;the sake of what ?
1301079;1445058197;gabrielradio;spreading the genes
1301080;1445058260;gabrielradio;just curious. i'm on the other end of the spectrum, i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible, maybe in their education or such
1301081;1445058283;mircea_popescu;what am i, like harlan ellison's noob that fell off the turnip truck ? so excited to be published i forget to pick up the check ?
1301082;1445058294;mircea_popescu;so move to the bronx.
1301083;1445058305;gabrielradio;lol
1301084;1445058326;mircea_popescu;what ?
1301085;1445058370;gabrielradio;i do see your point, yea
1301086;1445058387;mircea_popescu;dawg, that's where they play that game. you wanna play that game, gotta go where they play it.
1301087;1445058462;gabrielradio;i like to think i can mold the chicks into being cool with that wherever
1301088;1445058472;mircea_popescu;how old are you ?
1301089;1445058475;gabrielradio;25
1301090;1445058484;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1301091;1445058515;gabrielradio;i guess i'll translate http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va/ next, maybe i'll get some insight i missed
1301092;1445058517;assbot;Insarcinati-va! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfq1Tb )
1301093;1445058568;mircea_popescu;trilema.com/in-sprijinul-eugeniei also lulzy.
1301094;1445058731;gabrielradio;on the list it goes
1301095;1445060564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 55336 @ 0.00002625 = 1.4526 BTC [-] {7} 
1301096;1445063370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00048102 = 15.8737 BTC [-] {4} 
1301097;1445063980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00047566 = 13.8655 BTC [-] {4} 
1301098;1445065322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00047456 = 21.4501 BTC [-] {5} 
1301099;1445070629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00048917 = 15.3599 BTC [+] {2} 
1301100;1445071068;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300961 << I like that mr kragen's blogs were mailing lists
1301101;1445071068;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 03:50:12; asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net...
1301102;1445074516;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300901 << pete_dushenski go right ahead. next on the list are /2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ , /2009/insarcinati-va/ and /2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ . if you have any one in particular you were looking at, shoot!
1301103;1445074516;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 00:48:53; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :)
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1301107;1445074669;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 2 for pete_dushenski with note: nails stuff on contravex.com
1301108;1445075082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00049036 = 26.2833 BTC [+] {4} 
1301109;1445076180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00048767 = 20.921 BTC [-] {2} 
1301110;1445078559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11356 @ 0.00049019 = 5.5666 BTC [+]
1301111;1445086428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00048862 = 34.5454 BTC [-] {4} 
1301112;1445087102;funkenstein_;<gabrielradio>  i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them
1301113;1445089018;HeySteve;so he wants to be a sperm donor
1301114;1445089069;HeySteve;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1756750/
1301115;1445089070;assbot;Starbuck (2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXKpev )
1301116;1445089514;funkenstein_;;;ticker
1301117;1445089516;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.99, Best ask: 272.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 272.5, 24 hour volume: 36482.69093011, 24 hour low: 258.32, 24 hour high: 272.75, 24 hour vwap: None
1301118;1445089650;funkenstein_;i'd like to have a thousand bitcoins, but somebody else to hold and spend them for me
1301119;1445093937;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_> <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them << you don't understand what the internets is for, or what the mobile revolution all about.
1301120;1445093942;mircea_popescu;go back to florida, gramps.
1301121;1445094134;shinohai;;;later tell funkenstein Yo fam, if you need holding and spending assistants when you hit 1000 BTC I'm your guy.
1301122;1445094134;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1301123;1445095351;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP
1301124;1445095357;assbot;dpaste: 1VQ7GGP ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4dQl )
1301125;1445095357;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1301126;1445095357;mircea_popescu;heh
1301127;1445095359;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
1301128;1445095360;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
1301129;1445095391;mircea_popescu;cazalla give a sig ^
1301130;1445095403;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bingoboingo <mircea_popescu> deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
1301131;1445095404;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
1301132;1445095404;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1301133;1445095426;mircea_popescu;trinque hey, is there a url to download deedbot's db, i forget ?
1301134;1445095630;mircea_popescu;hm
1301135;1445095634;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
1301136;1445095635;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
1301137;1445096676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0004869 = 4.869 BTC [-]
1301138;1445097624;mircea_popescu;" you can support associative array lookups, appending to unbounded-size arrays, and the like, as fundamental machine operations."
1301139;1445097625;mircea_popescu;o.O
1301140;1445097629;mircea_popescu;check out the anti-c machine
1301141;1445097924;pete_dushenski;holy lolz that's a first, i just had an entire half-hour convo between myself and assbot
1301142;1445097940;pete_dushenski;copy paste time eh
1301143;1445097944;pete_dushenski;and coffee !
1301144;1445097965;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301102 << cheers gabe
1301145;1445097965;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 09:35:16; gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300901 << pete_dushenski go right ahead. next on the list are /2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ , /2009/insarcinati-va/ and /2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ . if you have any one in particular you were looking at, shoot!
1301146;1445097982;pete_dushenski;http://qz.com/271411/to-keep-customers-coming-back-chinese-restaurants-are-lacing-noodles-with-opiates/
1301147;1445097983;assbot;To keep customers coming back, some Chinese restaurants are lacing noodles with opiates - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kg6NZV )
1301148;1445097995;pete_dushenski;"Forget Colorado, stoners. The real frontier of narcotic edibles is in Shaanxi province, China. A restaurant owner there just confessed to police that to keep customers coming back, he had infused his noodles with 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of pulverized poppy buds—which can contain narcotics like morphine and codeine—that he bought in August for 600 yuan ($98)"
1301149;1445098008;pete_dushenski;;;calc 98/70.4
1301150;1445098008;gribble;1.39204545455
1301151;1445098054;pete_dushenski;so it's $1.39/oz, or about $0.05/g, for opium in mainland china in case anyone was wondering how badly their silk road dealer was ripping them off.
1301152;1445098067;pete_dushenski;in other news, hyatt hotels, following the leads of marriott and hilton, no longer off in-room cable porn.
1301153;1445098078;pete_dushenski;this might seem like a loss for the lonely business traveler, but until hyatt offers 'safe' internet with the 5 'safest' websites and those alone, i wouldn't worry about it too much
1301154;1445098103;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
1301155;1445098104;assbot;Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKTNnm )
1301156;1445098116;pete_dushenski;http://econjwatch.org/articles/two-ideological-ships-passing-in-the-night << for those interested in mainstream fiat economics, such as it is, this isn't a bad look at pro-marketists vs. pro-statists vis-a-vis their preference for and beliefs in models
1301157;1445098117;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kga6jH )
1301158;1445098128;pete_dushenski;though hopefully a dose or two of quaaludes are thrown in to spice it up a bit 'wolf of wall street' style
1301159;1445098147;pete_dushenski;re ^ http://variety.com/2015/film/news/leonardo-dicaprio-volkswagen-scandal-movie-1201615946/ << that was fast. one can only imagine that it'll paint vw as the cold, calculating devil, and regulators as innocent if bumbling fools
1301160;1445098149;assbot;Leonardo DiCaprio Volkswagen Scandal Movie: Producing for Paramount | Variety ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgaoaj )
1301161;1445098164;pete_dushenski;http://www.meltingasphalt.com/music-in-human-evolution/ << #4 and #6 are reasonably interesting evolutionary explanations for the rhythm of human song and our practice of burying our dead.
1301162;1445098166;assbot;Music in Human Evolution | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgd2wD )
1301163;1445098234;pete_dushenski;re : song : "My suggestion is that our ancestors turned loud singing into a central element of their defence system against predators. They started using loud, rhythmic singing and shouting accompanied by vigorous, threatening body movements and object throwing to defend themselves from predators."
1301164;1445098246;pete_dushenski;eg. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-12-2014#939361
1301165;1445098246;assbot;Logged on 01-12-2014 04:56:39; assbot: All Blacks vs France mean haka 2011 World cup winners - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FH7KJh )
1301166;1445098569;pete_dushenski;re : burial : "When a human dies naturally, make sure the corpse is properly disposed of. The corpse is a liability because a predator will associate even a scavenged meal (of human meat) with 'profitability'."
1301167;1445098839;asciilifeform;https://www.tindie.com/products/ubldit/truerngpro << why did this fella insist on putting a voltage boost converter right on the pcb!?! 100-200kHz harmonics... and he soldered down the shields, go and see what is under...
1301168;1445098842;assbot;TrueRNGpro from ubldit on Tindie ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgfqn2 )
1301169;1445099082;asciilifeform;if anyone knows of where (if anywhere) the ubld.it fella put his schematics and firmware, let me know.
1301170;1445099105;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/greys_anatomy_kill_me_now.html << in which we find ballas is not only amusingly sophomoric when it comes to finance&investment, but also animated by a rather hick sexual philosophy. down to the very typical "i'm not a raceyst but dem niggars!" formulation, even.
1301171;1445099107;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: This Week On Grey's Anatomy The Preposterous Happens ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoMer )
1301172;1445099115;mircea_popescu;one day im going to understand how stupidity in very smart people works.
1301173;1445099131;asciilifeform;https://github.com/ubldit << apparently not here.
1301174;1445099132;assbot;ubldit (Ubld Electronics) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoRia )
1301175;1445099171;pete_dushenski;obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-10-2015#1299094
1301176;1445099171;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:19; mircea_popescu: tis a problem.
1301177;1445099181;pete_dushenski;also : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299092
1301178;1445099181;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299071 << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on.
1301179;1445099305;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301140 << kogge had an entire encyclopaedic work on the subject, with dozens of examples from 1980s-90s >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1063060
1301180;1445099305;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 16:00:29; mircea_popescu: check out the anti-c machine
1301181;1445099305;assbot;Logged on 21-03-2015 23:05:08; assbot: The Architecture of Symbolic Computers - Peter M. Kogge - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiVST5 )
1301182;1445099320;asciilifeform;all of them - actual, physical machines, which were produced
1301183;1445099337;mircea_popescu;pretty impressive.
1301184;1445099389;asciilifeform;but of course 'golden toilet' as none would run msdos, be produced with the latest however-nanometre mosfets, etc, etc.
1301185;1445099618;mircea_popescu;vaguely related : http://fashion-incubator.com/so-i-bought-a-sewing-factory/
1301186;1445099621;assbot;So I bought a sewing factory | Fashion-Incubator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kghg7F )
1301187;1445099627;mircea_popescu;"So I bought a sewing factory makes a good title but the truther is that I bought a near perfectly sized industrial building and remodeled it to become a sewing factory."
1301188;1445099634;mircea_popescu;vaguely interesting altogetgher, that blog.
1301189;1445099842;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
1301190;1445099844;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
1301191;1445099860;trinque;wtf?
1301192;1445099887;asciilifeform;and it lost cloak ?
1301193;1445099939;pete_dushenski;"3. On October 16th, 2014 cazalla notified the board of his intention to take a vacation. " << it's 2015
1301194;1445099955;asciilifeform;eagle eye.
1301195;1445099955;pete_dushenski;"Given today, October 17th, in the capital city of our beloved Republic." << why no year ?
1301196;1445099959;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
1301197;1445099960;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
1301198;1445099971;trinque;it's hanging somewhere.
1301199;1445099975;mircea_popescu;cuz i've not yet come up with a year scheme
1301200;1445100002;asciilifeform;but you did! trompi !
1301201;1445100005;trinque;I'll fiddle with this in private a bit and let ya know when it goes through.
1301202;1445100020;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sure you have, it's right there in the contract: 2014 is the only year that ever was.
1301203;1445100020;mircea_popescu;cool trinque. also, the backup ?
1301204;1445100034;mircea_popescu;yeah, well...
1301205;1445100035;trinque;mircea_popescu: sure; easy cron job. I'll provide a URL for that
1301206;1445100054;mircea_popescu;here's what i was thinking trinque : how much complexity would it add if the download was of the format
1301207;1445100063;mircea_popescu;deedbot.com/backup/KEYFINGERPRINT
1301208;1445100074;trinque;very little
1301209;1445100078;mircea_popescu;and it delivered a blob consisting of all matter signed by that fingerprint, encrypted to that fingerprint
1301210;1445100105;trinque;ah cool. yeah that can be done
1301211;1445100119;mircea_popescu;seems to me the way to go.
1301212;1445100123;trinque;sqlite backs it all, just queries and loops and a call out to gpg
1301213;1445100131;mircea_popescu;nice design then.
1301214;1445100136;punkman;yeah but you'd want that in whole bundle parts, so you can verify it
1301215;1445100150;mircea_popescu;yes, you would.
1301216;1445100154;mircea_popescu;no cutting anything
1301217;1445100208;mircea_popescu;(this is turning more and more into the only legitimately useful implementation of "blockchyain technology" known to date)
1301218;1445100240;trinque;punkman: how do you mean? bundles are currently multiple fingerprints
1301219;1445100275;trinque;so if I then pulled by fingerprint and dumped them out, would not have anything a spend referred to
1301220;1445100288;trinque;potentially it would but not as a rule
1301221;1445100300;mircea_popescu;trinque pull out the whole bundle with a fingerprint in it, not just the deed
1301222;1445100309;asciilifeform;'Cybersecurity con artists are as bad by deluding their visitors and customers about how to protect themselves with encryption, Tor, anonymization, OTR, secret chats, deep web, blah, blah. All these con artists gin their own logs of trusting-users data, then either hand it over to authorities, sell it covertly, share with cohorts and standards orgs, write papers and give speeches soliciting customers, testify in Congress and c
1301223;1445100309;asciilifeform;ourts, inform grand juries, cut plea bargains, brag about resisting NSLs, set up warrant canaries, share tips with donors and investors, yadda, yadda, do donate generously, but best, generate taxable income,tax write-offs, never-ending war, paranoia and FUD.' << from the obvious. lulzy.
1301224;1445100321;trinque;mircea_popescu: that means your backup gets the other guy's stuff too, right?
1301225;1445100323;asciilifeform;(guess the author)
1301226;1445100343;mircea_popescu;trinque well, yes, some. if you shared a bundle.
1301227;1445100345;trinque;"if I was a part of this bundle, my backup has the whole bundle" ?
1301228;1445100349;trinque;cool, just clarifying it
1301229;1445100349;mircea_popescu;see, it creates a procedural layer of memory
1301230;1445100370;mircea_popescu;dja understand how this models out or should i go into it ?
1301231;1445100422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unobvious. who ?
1301232;1445100423;trinque;I understand why the unit to work with here is the verifiable one. is there something more to it?
1301233;1445100431;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: john young (cryptome)
1301234;1445100446;trinque;you would lose the time aspect without the whole bundles
1301235;1445100454;asciilifeform;turns out, he ~is~ capable of making sense. on occasion.
1301236;1445100462;mircea_popescu;trinque yes. imagine there's a millenium worth of deedbot, in the library of republixandria ; and imagine this is burned. now, we aim to reconstruct it.
1301237;1445100479;mircea_popescu;some people who wrote deeds are dead. some are not. some LINES of deed writing exist ; some are dead.
1301238;1445100501;mircea_popescu;what shall be remembered of the thousand year archive is exactly what should be remembered : that which touched something that still interests.
1301239;1445100521;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aka mark'n'sweep gc
1301240;1445100528;trinque;!b 4
1301241;1445100528;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2T07FMX.txt )
1301242;1445100540;trinque;makes perfect sense
1301243;1445100804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one potential difficulty is that we have not yet invented death. (or rather, analogue death does not perfectly correspond to the necessary notion of electrical death - a man can die and his keys end up in the hands of just about any kind of idiot, after this he must be 'killed' again, manually, by some process not yet defined)
1301244;1445100950;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] links 2015-10-16 Fri - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/17_links-2015-10-16-fri.html
1301245;1445100986;asciilifeform;also imho there ought to be some provision made for archaeology. defined, for this purpose, as the study of items from which no continuous-unbroken line of interested individuals exists.
1301246;1445101444;pete_dushenski;meatspace will executor can 'revoke key' ?
1301247;1445101572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1301248;1445101592;mircea_popescu;imo undefined death is the correct situation.
1301249;1445101597;mircea_popescu;what do you know of death anyway ?
1301250;1445101757;mircea_popescu;as to archeology : find a source. that is the only way archeology works. you must find someone who remembers the history.
1301251;1445101800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26975 @ 0.0004869 = 13.1341 BTC [-] {2} 
1301252;1445101922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.0004869 = 22.86 BTC [-]
1301253;1445102100;mircea_popescu;so i spent four dollars for eight ounces of jasmin green tea.
1301254;1445102117;mircea_popescu;it turns out to be not only the best green tea i ever had, but so fucking great i'm actually drinking some.
1301255;1445102194;mircea_popescu;ALUMINUM DOESN'T CHIP << yes it does ben_vulpes ; poorly formulated aluminium's major problem is chipping. that's why it wasn't used in airframe fabrication from the get-go.
1301256;1445102237;ben_vulpes;dude from the pressure of my /wrist/?
1301257;1445102243;*;pete_dushenski off for a walk avec stroller. bbl.
1301258;1445102249;punkman;mircea_popescu:  great flavour for home-made pastries too
1301259;1445102289;ben_vulpes;yes, crack propagation under vibratory load is a thing, but shouldn't this shit be deforming instead of chipping?
1301260;1445102293;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ah, not defending it for a second.
1301261;1445102312;mircea_popescu;well depends what you alloy it with and how well you do that.
1301262;1445102325;mircea_popescu;punkman gonna have to try that
1301263;1445102332;ben_vulpes;if your al is chipping under hand load i'm not really willing to accept that it's aluminum
1301264;1445102351;ben_vulpes;"look at our super cheap new steel!"
1301265;1445102359;mircea_popescu;trivially tested, got an ohmeter ?
1301266;1445102365;ben_vulpes;"but i can see the coke bits floating in it. and it shatters when i hit it with a hammer."
1301267;1445102369;mircea_popescu;lol
1301268;1445102374;ben_vulpes;"in aggregate though, the chemistry's totally right!"
1301269;1445102382;mircea_popescu;sounds about right
1301270;1445102417;mircea_popescu;the only thing is that "aluminum" is not like steel, it's like iron. ie, an element.
1301271;1445102453;ben_vulpes;is the ceramic-puffed "gold" in the "watch" gold?
1301272;1445102456;mircea_popescu;duralumin, which is its first serious application, and what those large cow milk receptacles were made out of, in the 1920s pictures of farmers throwing milk away
1301273;1445102468;mircea_popescu;is really al-cu
1301274;1445102484;ben_vulpes;short walk? or did the walk end in a shart?
1301275;1445102487;mircea_popescu;"age hardening" is the magic property
1301276;1445102681;mircea_popescu;"all of their tools live in the Web, that bloated, miserable heap of accidentally co-executing text-as-sort-of-program."
1301277;1445102683;mircea_popescu;ha!
1301278;1445102755;mircea_popescu;"The Monte-Carlo approach to engineering, if you will, but with humans doing a really bad job of playing RNG." << how mp's view of VC world sounds, without any of the bile.
1301279;1445102851;ben_vulpes;the "web tekmologys" assemblage is approaching the complexity of protein engineering, and the only thing that can be done is shake your problem space really hard until usable building blocks fall out.
1301280;1445102877;ben_vulpes;rinse, repeat.
1301281;1445102893;mircea_popescu;alternatively it can also be ignored altogether.
1301282;1445102923;ben_vulpes;sure, just like the railways could.
1301283;1445102931;mircea_popescu;there is a very fundamental difference between constructed complexity ("web technology", astrology, political science etc) and actual complexity (protein folding, moving bodies in grav fields, etc)
1301284;1445102945;mircea_popescu;the difference is that if you ignore the former you get paid, and if you ignore the latter you get hit in the head.
1301285;1445103023;mircea_popescu;"TYRANNY IS A PREREQUISITE FOR QUALITY, APPLE RETCONNERS." << holy shit this may even actually be defensible.
1301286;1445103142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00049148 = 5.5292 BTC [+] {2} 
1301287;1445103429;mircea_popescu;But more importantly, forensic brain scans represent the worst kind of classism.  They say, essentially, that because your brain looks very similar to other brains, then you belong in that class; and you take on their other qualities.  They may be appropriate for scientific investigations-- as early clues directing further research, "hey, this is interesting, let's look over here from now on"-- but they have no place i
1301288;1445103430;mircea_popescu;n the justice system.  I'd argue any association studies have no place in court, especially when they are read backwards ("because he has this, he is this.")
1301289;1445103455;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. it's not okay to say "this man is black, therefore he's guilty, because that's the nature of people that are black"
1301290;1445103496;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the argument is almost always presented as "the glucose consumption picture in this guy's brain looks like THESE splotches of blue/yellow/whatever, therefore he's so-and-so like these other guys whose pictures look similar".
1301291;1445103515;mircea_popescu;stupidity, not racism, is the problem of america.
1301292;1445103536;mircea_popescu;trying to package and sell stupidity as racism is mostly a symptom of that same problem.
1301293;1445103578;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/do_we_want_neuroimaging_in_cou.html for ref
1301294;1445103579;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Do We Want Neuroimaging In Court? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgHjiZ )
1301295;1445103698;mircea_popescu;"Do you want to live in a world where the criminality of an act-- the culpability of a person-- is based essentially on the moral ADHD of a bunch of doctors with third hand understanding of  MRI results?  Strike that-- on a very select bunch of doctors who purport to speak for these other doctors, who claim to have the greatest grasp of the science, and who claim in complete and absolute seriousness to have the best un
1301296;1445103698;mircea_popescu;derstanding of the ethical progressivism of society-- better than lawyers or engineers or teachers or priests or anyone else-- ethics which they admit are constantly evolving-- but have thankfully, magically, and conveniently reached their culmination with today.  The end of history.   4000 years of ethics, useless; they got it all right with a grant from the NIH and a subscription to The New Yorker."
1301297;1445103702;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296401 << see also.
1301298;1445103702;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 20:06:41; asciilifeform: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use.
1301299;1445103711;mircea_popescu;quite.
1301300;1445103722;mircea_popescu;also, my nirvana inducing anal pole doesn't have to work
1301301;1445103724;mircea_popescu;to be put into use.
1301302;1445103768;asciilifeform;the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder.
1301303;1445103787;mircea_popescu;just like my anal nirvana pole.
1301304;1445103800;asciilifeform;before fingerprints, it was 'trial by ordeal'
1301305;1445103805;asciilifeform;same idea.
1301306;1445103821;mircea_popescu;dude, before everything it was "mom leaves, and kiddie follows".
1301307;1445103833;mircea_popescu;behaviour manifest in herbivores ffs.
1301308;1445103859;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883658 << and.
1301309;1445103859;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.
1301310;1445103882;asciilifeform;how do the herbivores play into it ?
1301311;1445103888;mircea_popescu;ansd you know, the universal supreme goat council (USG) had a secret conspiracy to import wolves into the forest, to keep the baby goat herding behaviour going\
1301312;1445103895;mircea_popescu;i read it on goat-and-me.com
1301313;1445103899;asciilifeform;l0l
1301314;1445103923;mircea_popescu;does the jump make sense or should i drop some pontoons ?
1301315;1445103927;asciilifeform;it does.
1301316;1445103949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's usual (and factual) inversion of the ru orthodox dictum 'the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the selfsame drowning'
1301317;1445103963;mircea_popescu;or something
1301318;1445103965;asciilifeform;becomes 'the perdition of the drowning is work of the hands of the selfsame drowning'
1301319;1445103968;asciilifeform;or the like.
1301320;1445103989;mircea_popescu;tbh i think the inverse is a stronger statement.
1301321;1445104012;mircea_popescu;which is rare for negatives.
1301322;1445104067;mircea_popescu;(the reason is that mine's really the affirmative - the dictum masquerades a negative as a pop-positive, is all)
1301323;1445104142;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: even greats had to write horoscopes to justify telescopes
1301324;1445104150;mircea_popescu;did not.
1301325;1445104167;mircea_popescu;who's your idea, copernicus ?
1301326;1445104204;mircea_popescu;"even lord tolstoy had to write shakespeare teardowns to justify the great russian novel!"
1301327;1445104249;ben_vulpes;copernicus, yes.
1301328;1445104255;mircea_popescu;what's the horoscope ?
1301329;1445104260;trinque;damn \r\n to hell
1301330;1445104263;ben_vulpes;but i am an orc, ignorant history and might be picking the wrong feller.
1301331;1445104264;trinque;deedbot- fixed
1301332;1445104282;trinque;I have put that doc back through.
1301333;1445104372;asciilifeform;re: neuroimaging machines in court: their introduction will follow (is following...) the same 'frog-boiling' algo as that of 'dna evidence' - initially it is 'you wouldn't deny this innocent man his exoneration!1111' followed by 'must find the real killer' followed by 'sir you are under arrest, kindly put your thumb here and here and then lie down in this machine for your routine brainprint'
1301334;1445104460;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu will not hesitate to remind the victim that it is his own fault for not having been born in afghan and fucked sufficiently many goats to innoculate him against herbivoricity
1301335;1445104460;ben_vulpes;galileo perhaps?
1301336;1445104466;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes but if ignorant why pick at all. do you also run in the dark ?
1301337;1445104486;ben_vulpes;*misremembering*
1301338;1445104488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you are not promised at birth a "good" life.
1301339;1445104501;asciilifeform;or even honourable death, aha.
1301340;1445104504;mircea_popescu;you are promised at birth a life on your own terms, or to the breaking of your bones, whichever comes first.
1301341;1445104507;mircea_popescu;this is a fair situation.
1301342;1445104516;ben_vulpes;the higher level point is that normal schmucks like me must suck cock.
1301343;1445104529;ben_vulpes;to even eat.
1301344;1445104550;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not even. implicit in this hypothesis is some kind of bargain - that there will be eating.
1301345;1445104573;mircea_popescu;there's no promise of food.
1301346;1445104594;asciilifeform;naturally not.
1301347;1445104595;mod6;wtf? sorry about this line: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299790 I must have accidentially pasted it. :/
1301348;1445104596;ben_vulpes;necessary, but not sufficient.
1301349;1445104603;asciilifeform;there is only the cage, and the cock.
1301350;1445104613;ben_vulpes;mod6: i thought it was a sneaky release
1301351;1445104630;ben_vulpes;"look guise, mine's using libressl"
1301352;1445104630;mod6;haha. just checked the log and was like "what in the heck?!"
1301353;1445104631;asciilifeform;mod6: i assumed it was a stray paste, aha
1301354;1445104646;mod6;"when did i say /that/?!"
1301355;1445104647;mircea_popescu;i assumed same.
1301356;1445104653;mod6;thanks guise :]
1301357;1445104712;mod6;oh yeah, i see now, those three things are in a line of my ls output in one of my term windows.
1301358;1445104793;mod6;this weekend was going to take a long road trip.... my buddy pussed out in Des Moines so we stopped at a hole in the wall stripclub then proceeded to drive directly back.
1301359;1445104806;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you were probably thinking of kepler
1301360;1445104810;mircea_popescu;pics on yoru blog ?
1301361;1445104811;asciilifeform;(re: horoscopes)
1301362;1445104819;mircea_popescu;kepler ?!
1301363;1445104820;mod6;long drive.  girls were pretty hot tho.
1301364;1445104846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. had a day job.
1301365;1445104846;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://33.media.tumblr.com/46c8b6337ac501643319497e37497871/tumblr_nkcmlqypgA1tmnngto1_400.gif
1301366;1445104849;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGcaN )
1301367;1445104860;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/09/science/400-year-old-horoscope-shows-kepler-s-sideline.html
1301368;1445104861;assbot;400-Year-Old Horoscope Shows Kepler's Sideline - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGdeW )
1301369;1445104861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy was tycho brache's cock puppet, what.
1301370;1445104863;mircea_popescu;that ?
1301371;1445104886;mircea_popescu;oh dude... am i going to hear cca 2500 that i had a sideline in "poetry writing"  ?
1301372;1445104896;asciilifeform;prolly.
1301373;1445104898;mod6;there was a tall blond with a nice rack-of-lamb that was just for you Mr. P. You would have liked her I think. :]
1301374;1445104919;mircea_popescu;haha
1301375;1445104941;mircea_popescu;didja tell her that ?
1301376;1445104995;mod6;naw.  didn't say much to her. just let her dance on me.
1301377;1445105018;mod6;she was about.. 6'2", 6'3", maybe taller in 5 inch heels.
1301378;1445105031;mod6;nice rack, nice proportions.
1301379;1445105047;mod6;lol, I had to look up at her.
1301380;1445105050;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'This working stiff is required to use all sorts of radioactive waste in the pursuit of his daily work. HTML, CSS, JS�functional programming languages that incomprehensibly compile from one AST to another in a vain attempt to keep my mind safe from the radiation of the underlying�' << could be worse. you could do all of this and also be poor.
1301381;1445105078;mircea_popescu;pretty impressive.
1301382;1445105083;mod6;This other girl with the hula-hoops had me mezmorized. :D
1301383;1445105098;mod6;Shorter brunette girl.  Yow!
1301384;1445105105;mircea_popescu;for hall in the wall this sounds actually far above buenos aires' best and brightest.
1301385;1445105118;mircea_popescu;i've yet to find a strip joint that's not really a kindergarten of the retarded.
1301386;1445105130;mod6;The reviews on google for this place was HORRIBLE, but we were like "fuck it".
1301387;1445105145;mod6;And for a hole-in-the-wall, it actually had 4 pretty hot strippers.
1301388;1445105163;asciilifeform;mod6: phun phakt: google has reviews for, e.g.: nsa campus. federal prisons. 'a+++, would rot again!' etc.
1301389;1445105164;mod6;So yeah, the reviews were pretty much bullshit -- at least for that night.
1301390;1445105164;mircea_popescu;so it was more like a hole in the mall ?
1301391;1445105214;mod6;Ahah. You know.. it was funny how this place was zoned... there was a Library with a childrens place across the street.  few other bars.  Post office.
1301392;1445105218;mircea_popescu;maybe the managers were like "hey, b-a luminary and trb maintainer mod seeks is coming over, EVERYONE ON ATTENTION!!1. Joe, call your wife, I know we said we'd never put her on but man... THIS IS TMSR!"
1301393;1445105240;mod6;In minneapolis they'd have never let them put that in the same neighborhood.  So Iowa is a bit cooler?  Still shocked by this.
1301394;1445105264;mod6;mp: lol
1301395;1445105269;mircea_popescu;maybe the kid place has a pole ?
1301396;1445105299;mod6;lol, we didn't see one, just a lot of books that probably never get read.
1301397;1445105309;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i certainly am not rich yet.
1301398;1445105314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just because he's richer than you doesn't automatically make him not poor you know :D
1301399;1445105337;asciilifeform;l0l mircea_popescu is expert on everything in creation, even gradations of shitpoverty ?!
1301400;1445105348;mircea_popescu;im just arguing for the sake of argument!
1301401;1445105377;mircea_popescu;i wonder how come they make sake argument and not say wine argument, or rum argument.
1301402;1445105383;mircea_popescu;i'd try some rum argument.
1301403;1445105403;asciilifeform;goes great with tobacco 'parliament'
1301404;1445105410;mircea_popescu;aha
1301405;1445105460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00049149 = 10.4687 BTC [+]
1301406;1445105488;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'Moreover, have you watched their software and hardware quality degrade phenomenally over the past decade? I certainly have. All of the old laptops, selections from the eMac and iMac line are total design and fabrication winners�solid and reliable. My ENTIRELY RECENT "Macbook Pro" is rotting as I watch...' << eh, it was not 'solid until jobs died.' but rather reached a short-lived peak in 2010 or so. have you alr
1301407;1445105488;asciilifeform;eady forgotten the abominable g4 tin cans!?
1301408;1445105521;asciilifeform;http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Apple-PowerBook-G4-12-inch_2.jpg << them.
1301409;1445105522;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdHToA )
1301410;1445105529;asciilifeform;three hour or so disassembly
1301411;1445105545;asciilifeform;and it will never look virginal.
1301412;1445105568;asciilifeform;and did it rot!
1301413;1445105588;asciilifeform;mine had nasty splinters in the plastic rim, right where the right hand wrist went.
1301414;1445105603;asciilifeform;betcha these were carefully stress-tested to splinter.
1301415;1445105606;mircea_popescu;you people and your laptops.
1301416;1445105608;mircea_popescu;just... why!
1301417;1445105609;asciilifeform;(how else to keep schmucks buying!)
1301418;1445105616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because the mines of moria.
1301419;1445105637;mircea_popescu;i own like 3 of the things, i used them for maybe five hours total the past year.
1301420;1445105649;asciilifeform;easy, if all you use it for is to key in launch codes!
1301421;1445105665;mircea_popescu;hey, mines of moria you said ?
1301422;1445105671;asciilifeform;aha
1301423;1445105680;asciilifeform;the halls of dwarven toil.
1301424;1445105681;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: useful for hauling around the office, showing stuff in meetings etc.
1301425;1445105689;asciilifeform;that uranium won't mine itself, no.
1301426;1445105689;PeterL;I still use my 2007 MacBook as my only puter
1301427;1445105698;ben_vulpes;someday i'll offload all this onto staff.
1301428;1445105715;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me i have in this selfsame year never showed anyone anything.
1301429;1445105720;mod6;ben_vulpes: yeah, i couldn't imagine trying to do the same with a tablet or something.  but i like the desktops that I have at home for stuff too.
1301430;1445105733;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: there was that eulora demo for which you had a whole computer set up.
1301431;1445105739;asciilifeform;aha^
1301432;1445105741;mod6;i just need to get a fantastic display array like asciilifeform
1301433;1445105743;mircea_popescu;i'm playing it. but it's a desktop
1301434;1445105749;asciilifeform;i recall, mircea_popescu's 'laptop', a skeleton with a handle!
1301435;1445105754;mircea_popescu;i'm playing it as we speak, making congressional pulp.
1301436;1445105770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no srsly, it's a box right here.
1301437;1445105775;asciilifeform;mod6: these days i scarcely get to sit in front of it for 2-3 hrs /wk
1301438;1445105781;mod6;i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw.  about to try to build it...
1301439;1445105802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, i recall the box.
1301440;1445105803;mircea_popescu;o yeah mod6 more miners are sorely needed!
1301441;1445105817;mircea_popescu;incidentally, you have any mollusc stashed away ?
1301442;1445105822;mod6;i gotta learn how to use Foxy's bot!
1301443;1445105857;mod6;i like manual mining though... in a way, it's just some time for me to do some clicking and thinking about other things.
1301444;1445105864;mircea_popescu;it's ten minutes to set up and ten minutes of use to make itself indispensable. the chick can code, i don't remember a tool becoming THIS FUCKING NEEDED in recent times.
1301445;1445105878;mircea_popescu;mod6 chetty stick mining is still mostly manual.
1301446;1445105885;mircea_popescu;i did a bunch myself, like 100 or so sticks.
1301447;1445105906;mod6;wow yeah, think i read that.  lol, I've used 2 of 'em.
1301448;1445105917;mircea_popescu;we've come a long way, a lot richer now.
1301449;1445105924;mod6;it's how I found a whole 'nother patch of Elusive Snails.
1301450;1445105935;mircea_popescu;o did you see the maps btw ?
1301451;1445105938;mod6;I saw there is some structures in the pictures, gotta check that out.
1301452;1445105956;mod6;I saw a mining map that seemed to be autogenerated by the bot?!  Looked fantastic.
1301453;1445105961;mod6;If that's what you mean, yeah.
1301454;1445105962;mircea_popescu;yup. exactly that.
1301455;1445105974;mircea_popescu;you don't even have to boither with anything, keeps its own logs, they get awked and gnuplot.
1301456;1445105985;mod6;that is really sweet.
1301457;1445105992;mod6;Sure beats what I was doing.
1301458;1445105997;mod6;lol
1301459;1445106001;mircea_popescu;certainly it is going the right direction.
1301460;1445106010;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/bundle-379334.txt
1301461;1445106011;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdJ6wd )
1301462;1445106022;mircea_popescu;actual community maintained game client ius such a fucking all-obliterating win...
1301463;1445106055;mircea_popescu;the only example i can think of would be "consumer designed laptop". you go in the shop with the definition files and they fedex you the item later that week
1301464;1445106075;mircea_popescu;and "i want one like joe has" is a perfectly valid definition file.
1301465;1445106167;asciilifeform;'use desktops' is the ultimate 'let them eat cake'.
1301466;1445106246;asciilifeform;[insert 'living is not for the poor! be thankful king leopold has not yet cut off your hands!' thread here]
1301467;1445106305;mod6;pre-september desktops for the win
1301468;1445106315;mircea_popescu;kgk
1301469;1445106317;mircea_popescu;it is ?!
1301470;1445106392;asciilifeform;yes, it is. the example i am sitting on right now weights perhaps half a tonne, occupies most of a small room...
1301471;1445106404;asciilifeform;(if you add up all of the necessary bits)
1301472;1445106518;asciilifeform;it is also made largely of what may as well be unobtainium
1301473;1445106573;mircea_popescu;yes well, the eulora box is maybe 30lbs, and it's made of common materials.
1301474;1445106583;mircea_popescu;how the fuck did you get a laptop that supplants a half ton desktop ?
1301475;1445106588;asciilifeform;nono
1301476;1445106589;asciilifeform;desktop.
1301477;1445106600;asciilifeform;and the laptop does not supplant it, no.
1301478;1445106619;asciilifeform;functions largely as a remote terminal for it.
1301479;1445106661;ben_vulpes;that's really what I want.
1301480;1445106668;ben_vulpes;damn latency, though.
1301481;1445106681;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc mac no longer even ships with x11 !
1301482;1445106694;*;ben_vulpes raises an eyebrow
1301483;1445106695;asciilifeform;but it never really worked correctly there to begin with
1301484;1445106700;ben_vulpes;i wonder what i'm using in that case
1301485;1445106716;ben_vulpes;sez 'X11' on the 'tin'
1301486;1445106718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it can still be installed aftermarket
1301487;1445106722;*;trinque wonders aloud what a half-ton desktop looks like
1301488;1445106733;trinque;must be counting the desk and room!
1301489;1445106734;ben_vulpes;a yeah well apple machines don't really come with anything
1301490;1445106735;asciilifeform;trinque: most of the mass is the lead-acids
1301491;1445106738;asciilifeform;no, not counting desk.
1301492;1445106739;ben_vulpes;not even a package manager.
1301493;1445106744;trinque;batteries?
1301494;1445106746;asciilifeform;aha
1301495;1445106748;trinque;cool
1301496;1445106758;asciilifeform;what's the problem, we count those when weighing a laptop
1301497;1445106766;trinque;fair point.
1301498;1445106909;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: any suggestions on time series plotting from cl?
1301499;1445106924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00048687 = 12.2204 BTC [-] {2} 
1301500;1445106933;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pipe to gnuplot ?
1301501;1445106939;asciilifeform;or need something fancier
1301502;1445106972;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: cl-graphviz also works
1301503;1445106991;asciilifeform;(and cl-dot)
1301504;1445107016;ben_vulpes;any point to using a cl wrapper/bridge to gnuplot or just pipe out?
1301505;1445107035;asciilifeform;the wrapper is what you'd end up writing anyway
1301506;1445107108;asciilifeform;if you feel like doing it as an exercise, do it. if not, use one of the published items. (unlike what is customary in the barbarian world, cl libraries generally... work)
1301507;1445107268;ben_vulpes;ty!
1301508;1445107412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00048685 = 5.6475 BTC [-] {2} 
1301509;1445108022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.0004878 = 23.7803 BTC [+]
1301510;1445108205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31601 @ 0.0004878 = 15.415 BTC [+]
1301511;1445108912;deedbot-;[Trilema] Narcissistic Personality Inventory - http://trilema.com/2015/narcissistic-personality-inventory/
1301512;1445109697;cazalla;mircea_popescu, can you revise a copy of the contract with correct date in historical recitals (2015, not 2014)
1301513;1445109780;mircea_popescu;uh
1301514;1445109796;mircea_popescu;oh damn.
1301515;1445109820;mircea_popescu;yeah. listen, just sign the correct version.
1301516;1445110132;cazalla;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2DH3BVM.txt
1301517;1445110134;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbCa0Y )
1301518;1445110134;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1301519;1445110428;asciilifeform;'In the late 1970s we found that on a reasonably sunny day a batch of "windowed" EPROMs exposed to sunlight for a day on a sunny windowsill through glass with the EPROM horizontal would invariably erase reliably. We probably had some idea of how little time it took but it was no so long ago that such fine detail escapes me. Note that the erasing was with light passing through standard window glass (a reasonable UV filter), and
1301520;1445110428;asciilifeform; the EPROMs were placed flat, so were being irradiated at an angle to the optimum angle. However, this was in New Zealand which has a higher UV level than most other countries. [If you expose unprotected skin to say 2 to 4 hours full sun here in midsummer you can expect extremely severe and painful burns with the possible need for medical treatmemnt.] One hour will often leave you sore and sorry the next day.'
1301521;1445110462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00048656 = 5.3035 BTC [-]
1301522;1445112902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45479 @ 0.0004878 = 22.1847 BTC [+]
1301523;1445113320;phf;ben_vulpes: for something like gnuplot i've discovered that learning all kinds of fancy ways you can output a string with #'format is a lot more useful skill then learning a specific library. short of writing an equivalent of gnuplot command ast you're going to run into impedence mismatch one way or another
1301524;1445113572;ben_vulpes;thanks phf
1301525;1445113635;ben_vulpes;i'm dinking around with clnuplot as we speak, already seeing the end of its utility for me.
1301526;1445114033;phf;i think canonical example of solving that sort of problems (i.e. generating command language from a higher level lisp solution) comes from cltl2 section on trig functions for complex values, where guy steele for whatever reason decided to include pretty graphs of function behaviors. he also included the program that he used to generate the graphs, by producing .ps from lisp
1301527;1445114035;phf;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node129.html
1301528;1445114036;assbot;12.5.3. Branch Cuts, Principal Values, and Boundary Conditions in the Complex Plane ... ( http://bit.ly/1RODX8Z )
1301529;1445114164;phf;(the program is at the end and worth the study to grok the meaning of the word "hack" before perl corrupted it)
1301530;1445117111;ben_vulpes;;;later tell funkenstein_ submission came through this time
1301531;1445117112;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1301532;1445119780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that finding is not surprising is it ?
1301533;1445120308;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/the_cia_has_the_same_problem_m.html << if anyone was curious as to HOW blunders to the scale of "hussein has wmds" a decade ago or "assad used wmds" last year happen, and to the whys and wherefore bacalaureat-level educated folk such as obama, rice etc come up with ridiculous nonsense like "putin doesn't understand" or "nobody could have predicted", here is why.
1301534;1445120309;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The CIA Has The Same Problem Medicine Does ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMsTPa )
1301535;1445120356;mircea_popescu;yes the result is directly equivalent with "enemies control the decision process at all points and at all levels". but the cause is much more pedestrian : the innate MISTAKEN belief that "anyone can make a summary".
1301536;1445120391;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at reality ranch, training a sex fied takes me six weeks, training a perfect soldier takes six months, and training a PASSIBLE intel summarizer takes six years.
1301537;1445120857;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/16a00e455a901b84d37d76a6943715fc/tumblr_mkvmr00CjZ1s4dm6ao1_r1_500.gif
1301538;1445120860;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbScI2 )
1301539;1445120865;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301438 << i need someone with low building rank to use my small mushroom claims; good opportunity for n00bs to get some free experience
1301540;1445120865;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 18:16:21; mod6: i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw.  about to try to build it...
1301541;1445120911;mod6;i'm workin on it here. i forget my build rank... 70 somethin i think.
1301542;1445120950;mircea_popescu;you fell way behind yo.
1301543;1445121010;mod6;oh im sure.
1301544;1445121048;mircea_popescu;o btw jurov how's the shaped slag coming ?
1301545;1445122723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.0004874 = 14.2808 BTC [-] {3} 
1301546;1445125428;mircea_popescu;"She can't understand why the ideal isn't the same as the average.  So she wants to create reasons why the average is the ideal. " <<< Elizabeth Cashdan, woman in science.
1301547;1445125428;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/12/is_an_hourglass_figure_the_ide.html
1301548;1445125429;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Is An Hourglass Figure The Ideal?  Only If You're Weak And Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1RORe1x )
1301549;1445125451;mircea_popescu;who the fuck permits these imbeciles to pretend like they're faculty i have no idea.
1301550;1445126017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48150 @ 0.00049165 = 23.6729 BTC [+] {5} 
1301551;1445126558;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301172 you never witnessed it yourself?
1301552;1445126558;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 16:25:15; mircea_popescu: one day im going to understand how stupidity in very smart people works.
1301553;1445126573;mircea_popescu;i also witnessed magnetism.
1301554;1445126788;jurov;i'd expect you of all people to ruthlessly follow any stupidity to its root, if you found it in yourself
1301555;1445127322;mircea_popescu;you know, the ancient "sophomore's disease", where young minds encountering the big book of medical semiology for the first time diagnose themselves with everything is not MERELY an amusing story.
1301556;1445127337;mircea_popescu;it has a much deeper root. the problem with medical education is that your own body constitutes no clinical experience.
1301557;1445127382;mircea_popescu;that book is useful to people ~with independent clincal experience~, even if it is read first, before the experience is actually had (on the expecation that it will sturcture the comparatively more expensive process of actual clinical exposure, thus gettiong more bang per buck)
1301558;1445127398;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, finding shit in yourself is about as valuable as growing tomatoes on your window sill.
1301559;1445127603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21342 @ 0.00048559 = 10.3635 BTC [-] {3} 
1301560;1445128884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00049341 = 16.1345 BTC [+] {3} 
1301561;1445129921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29499 @ 0.00048484 = 14.3023 BTC [-] {2} 
1301562;1445130914;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/12/what_happens_to_an_action_hero.html << whjahahahaha.
1301563;1445130915;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: What Happens To An Action Hero When We Grow Up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kh47Lp )
1301564;1445130965;mircea_popescu;im not about to see the movie, for one thing i never gave much of a shit about eastwood and for the other he certainly went to shit in his later life (what is with this, pacino doing incredibly bad bullshit a la simone and de niro doing the worst infomercial "movies" conceivable ?)
1301565;1445130995;mircea_popescu;but seriously, the libtards/hipsers actually need "  People aren't seeing Eastwood play Walt; they are seeing The Man With No Name now aged 70 and living alone, still clinging to his horse, I mean gun, I mean car.  That's the guy they want to see "grow," that's the guy they want to see admit he was wrong. " ?
1301566;1445131000;mircea_popescu;lol. wussies. you lose.
1301567;1445131077;mircea_popescu;"This generation, this, The Dumbest Generation Of Narcissists In The History Of The World, they hate heroes-- except dead ones, they're ok, and superheroes are ok too, people with magic or from other planets-- but human heroes are anathemas, they want to tear them down and show them to be regular mortals, flawed-- and the best is if they can catch them being hypocritical, nothing brings an impotent narcissist to orgasm
1301568;1445131077;mircea_popescu; faster, even faster than cheating wife stories, than detecting hypocrisy in the elites."
1301569;1445131078;mircea_popescu;aaaite.
1301570;1445131288;mircea_popescu;"the end which is so obvious and predictable but at the same time the only one that would speak to this generation of narcissists: when we need a hero, heroes are obligated to rise up and serve, but please have the decency to die afterwards so we can go back to second guessing the ethics of your actions. " >> and when "we" need a monkey that knows how to push the levers one has the moral obligation to materialize, prov
1301571;1445131289;mircea_popescu;ided of course he doesn't expect and in any case doesn't get any actual power over the derps through this.
1301572;1445131303;mircea_popescu;it's really a nicely coalessced dementia, this post-cold war west.
1301573;1445132012;mircea_popescu;What happened?  I think the generation raised on action movies felt betrayed.  Those movies promised possibilities, promised that when you grow up, your powers will kick in.  When you grow up, if bad guys take over a bank, you'll be able to use kung fu on them.  It seemed not to have occurred to anyone to learn actual kung fu, or look up how banks are typically laid out, where the alarms are-- just in case. No,  these
1301574;1445132012;mircea_popescu;skills would be uploaded straight by God when needed, sudden and immediate, just as they came to JCVD in Bloodsport.  Life is a movie and movies are only 90 minutes long.  Not a whole lot of time for training.
1301575;1445132013;mircea_popescu;Well, the possibilities never came true, so heroes can all go to hell.  And God, too, while we're at it, he didn't deliver either.
1301576;1445132014;mircea_popescu;We got a brief moment of the possibility of 1980s style black and white American might with George Bush after 9/11, when half the country went, "hell yeah, let's go kick some ass!" and the other half went, "wait a second, don't you guys know we suck?"  That being the full extent of our national dialogue.  You see the results.
1301577;1445132492;mircea_popescu;"The Economist, an excellent magazine which offers excellent analysis of complex political and economic questions, yet still manages to be on the wrong side of history every single time"
1301578;1445132493;mircea_popescu;aha.
1301579;1445133061;*;mod6 tries to upload some kungfu
1301580;1445133886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00048727 = 3.5571 BTC [+] {3} 
1301581;1445134149;trinque;mod6: sounds dangerous... here, kid, have this iPad and watch Kung Fu Panda.
1301582;1445134165;mod6;haha
1301583;1445136052;asciilifeform;http://worldsuperheroregistry.com << linked from mircea_popescu's link. yes, this exists...
1301584;1445136053;assbot;New Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWDJxJ )
1301585;1445136061;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to suck the cock – a guide for half the oral sex, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/17/how-to-suck-the-cock-a-guide-for-half-the-oral-sex-translated/
1301586;1445137546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00049212 = 14.4683 BTC [+] {5} 
1301587;1445138448;mircea_popescu;so many of em...
1301588;1445139415;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301570 << not to mention the concentrated, unadulterated retardation of the original concept of hero as imagined by monkey - that is, a hypetrophied monkey who rescues, for no apparent reason, his fellows, from their own idiocy
1301589;1445139415;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 01:21:28; mircea_popescu: "the end which is so obvious and predictable but at the same time the only one that would speak to this generation of narcissists: when we need a hero, heroes are obligated to rise up and serve, but please have the decency to die afterwards so we can go back to second guessing the ethics of your actions. " >> and when "we" need a monkey that knows how to push the levers one has the moral obligation t
1301590;1445139480;asciilifeform;*hypertrophied
1301591;1445139739;mircea_popescu;i guess we should add to gabrielradio's list http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/
1301592;1445139740;assbot;Cel mai adevarat in gangsta rap on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VYzp0t )
1301593;1445140809;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu unearthed tlp again... http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/the_rage_of_the_average_joe.html << exemplifies my least favourite aspects.
1301594;1445140811;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Rage Of The Average Joe ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBO0xp )
1301595;1445140856;asciilifeform;per tlp, a man of action is ipso facto insane and incoherent.
1301596;1445140940;mircea_popescu;this happens to be true.
1301597;1445140962;mircea_popescu;all it says is that a system of thought is ipso facto worthless, but hey, i can see why he prefers the counterfactual statement of it.
1301598;1445141881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this piece especially reads entirely like the вялотекущая шизофрения crap.
1301599;1445141927;mircea_popescu;haha. well, in truth the guy's politics are utterly indefensible.
1301600;1445141937;asciilifeform;stack ?
1301601;1445141947;asciilifeform;iirc he had no politics. just an airplane.
1301602;1445141950;mircea_popescu;he just understands some stuff exceptionally well, but it didn't seem to have percolated through.
1301603;1445141955;mircea_popescu;no, ballas'
1301604;1445141957;asciilifeform;ah.
1301605;1445141979;mircea_popescu;one could hope that the reason he dropped off the map is because existential crisis finally triggered
1301606;1445141990;mircea_popescu;but it's a lot more likely he just found something to shut the brain up with
1301607;1445141995;mircea_popescu;kids, job, xanax, whatever.
1301608;1445142024;mircea_popescu;i do believe him when he keeps saying he drinks a lot. he'd have to. the damage imbecile "social agreements" do to smart people.
1301609;1445142487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0004915 = 9.9283 BTC [-]
1301610;1445142595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his dns last changed in... sept. 2012. entirely possible that the man is dead.
1301611;1445142647;mircea_popescu;dead goes in the "kids, job, xanax, whatever" list.
1301612;1445142651;asciilifeform;aha.
1301613;1445142686;asciilifeform;took the best job. the biggest xanax.
1301614;1445142702;mircea_popescu;but the point stands. the only thing you can definitely say about a paradigm (kuhn sense) is that it has nothing to do with reality. the one thing people involved WISH to say is that it is the only basis upon which science can be produced. which happens to be true.
1301615;1445142761;mircea_popescu;once you buy into the theory that "the state isn't the CAUSE of criminality but the protection from it", you'll necessarily swallow the "science is the path to knowledge" string all the way into "paradigm good".
1301616;1445142771;mircea_popescu;sure, it can be good, but it leaves you with some things you don't know what to do with
1301617;1445142777;mircea_popescu;that in other times would have been your life.
1301618;1445142909;mircea_popescu;but anyway, wine awaits. laters!
1301619;1445145415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00049064 = 8.6353 BTC [-]
1301620;1445147794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12914 @ 0.00048485 = 6.2614 BTC [-] {2} 
1301621;1445149746;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15438 @ 0.00048485 = 7.4851 BTC [-]
1301622;1445150234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.0004882 = 14.2799 BTC [+]
1301623;1445151271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0004882 = 5.1993 BTC [+]
1301624;1445154052;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300868 < yes indeed. wanted to ask you, as a landlord, if a larger deposit or possibly additional contract terms outside the paper rental contract would entice you to look at something like this
1301625;1445154052;assbot;Logged on 17-10-2015 00:19:08; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell heysteve re: real estate, you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/ ?
1301626;1445154269;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300458 < it's true that tenants can threaten to withhold keys and/or trash the place but if this was common practice then this type of deposit fraud wouldn't be such a widespread problem. what many tenants do is refuse to pay the last month's rent but this is only viable if the deposit is set at 1x month's rent. many places it's at 2x or
1301627;1445154269;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:19:58; mircea_popescu: and if he doesn't, well, twice the deposit worth of damage + whatever it costs him to break in should be just about fair.
1301628;1445154269;HeySteve;as high as 6x
1301629;1445154333;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300464 < not trying to save African children with magic cryptos, the point is there's a big demand for such a service
1301630;1445154333;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:21:44; mircea_popescu: this "o noes we are opressed" talk is the stock in trade of the worthless class. for good reason.
1301631;1445154468;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300465 < no driving involved, either a local rental agent will arbitrate (if necessary) or photo / video / expert testimony "evidence" will be uploaded somewhere to be judged
1301632;1445154468;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 13:23:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don'
1301633;1445154943;HeySteve;as for armed thugs, we certainly have those: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12525859 - but this is aimed more at commerical and middle to upper class residential property
1301634;1445154945;assbot;BBC News - In pictures: South Africa's ruthless 'Red Ants' eviction squad ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCjZ0q )
1301635;1445163044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19583 @ 0.0004945 = 9.6838 BTC [+] {3} 
1301636;1445163898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8023 @ 0.00049565 = 3.9766 BTC [+] {2} 
1301637;1445168168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7584 @ 0.00049566 = 3.7591 BTC [+]
1301638;1445169327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00049375 = 9.3319 BTC [-]
1301639;1445172310;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221735 https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/144.76.118.88-8333/ ; https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/148.251.6.214-8333/
1301640;1445172310;assbot;Logged on 02-08-2015 00:05:56; mircea_popescu: blocker's in past tense now ?
1301641;1445172311;assbot;144.76.118.88:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOwjgr )
1301642;1445172312;assbot;148.251.6.214:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOwkAQ )
1301643;1445172804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00049375 = 12.4672 BTC [-]
1301644;1445172926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4994 @ 0.00049375 = 2.4658 BTC [-]
1301645;1445173844;mircea_popescu;!up iinaj
1301646;1445173933;mircea_popescu;HeySteve the point is there's a big demand for such a service << yes, but the demand is from people who aren't willing to take any steps to enforce it. and it's for you to magically oppress property holders on their behalf. this isn't how property works, the fact that the landlords hold that property "free and clear" specifically means that they are immune from a guy named heysteve and his plans for the future. this is
1301647;1445173934;mircea_popescu; the very POINT of holding property.
1301648;1445174071;mircea_popescu;and the dispute isn't whether "You have them" or not, the dispute is whether you are one. because that's fundamentally what you're trying to do here, redistribute resources "for fairness" is how the government calls it, but you're neither a government nor have the option to be come one. at the level where you go into business, the thing is not a government but a gang.
1301649;1445174573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00049116 = 11.4931 BTC [-] {4} 
1301650;1445176141;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, I understand your point. my gf agrees with you. I can make this better for property holders if tenants pay a double (or even triple) deposit, or perhaps I must think on further improvements. those making a tidy living off scamming tenants will of course never go for it, but a good-faith landlord might appreciate having more insurance against property damage / non-payment.
1301651;1445176141;HeySteve;also, landlords do compete for smart tenants with options, as as per pete's point 1. so here is an aspect other than lowering prices which owners can use to attract good tenants (who can appreciate the benefits of "no" custodial risk).
1301652;1445176170;mircea_popescu;no landlord makes a tidy living off scaming tenants.
1301653;1445176192;mircea_popescu;this is like saying the mcdonalds makes a tidy living off giving out wrong change.
1301654;1445176242;mircea_popescu;seems dubious landlords compete for passive-agressive tenants with no options. they do compete for rich tenants, but you don't have a value proposition for those guys.
1301655;1445176246;mircea_popescu;if they get pissed off they just sue.
1301656;1445176352;mircea_popescu;(and they can do A LOT of damage with that, many jurisdiction have the notion of problem landlord in some manner, and you can often get treble damages, heck in one case a guy i know got the landlord kicked out of town. as in, had to sell ALL his property and not buy there again, ever.)
1301657;1445176445;mircea_popescu;anyway, not for me to change your mind. let me only suggest that once you get this business off the ground there's a ready avenue to expand : you could do the same for paycheck loans.
1301658;1445176458;mircea_popescu;probably pond shops also.
1301659;1445176534;mircea_popescu;none of this will ever work in any sense, but if you play it right and get lucky might get you dinner with obama, which... i hear the food sucks and the table manners are worse, but then again they're not inviting me so it's all good.
1301660;1445176575;HeySteve;<+mircea_popescu> no landlord makes a tidy living off scaming tenants. <- perhaps I should say, "make frequent bonuses." there's a rental agency infamous for it in SA and also a few private owners I could mention. it's also very common for them to not keep the deposit in an interest-bearing account by law or to skim the interest. from that same rental agency, tenants apparently get back
1301661;1445176575;HeySteve;<0.01% over a year's occupancy.
1301662;1445176596;mircea_popescu;what's interest in sa ?
1301663;1445176662;HeySteve;competing for rich tenants, well I offer them the guaranteed return of their deposit without the hassle of litigation. courts may be effective in some cases but there's always legal risk and time costs involved.
1301664;1445176726;mircea_popescu;not really. you're offering them the opportunity to push up your venture for free on their own influence/dime. which they won't take - if they were the sort of derp to fall for that they'd be on reddit complaining about how they have no money and the landlord's scamming them.
1301665;1445176737;HeySteve;standard bank interest is about 6%
1301666;1445176818;mircea_popescu;so you're saying a tenant taking a property with a market value of 120k for a year at the usual ~10% ie 1k a month is being gypped for the fabulous sum of 60 bux ? this can't quite be right can it ?
1301667;1445176881;HeySteve;well, what happens in practice is the agency spends those funds and claims the rate is that low to disguise the fact
1301668;1445176892;mircea_popescu;anyway. if there's actually a problem agency you got there, the solution is either for the tenants to start an association/class action suit if you have them/whatever is the equivalent in the jurisdiction ; or else for a competitor to start advertising deposit fairness.
1301669;1445176903;mircea_popescu;specifically : there exist two classes of solutions and they both come from stakeholders in the problem.
1301670;1445176929;mircea_popescu;what's a property manager spend money on anyway ?! they're all cash flow positive, that's the point.
1301671;1445176944;mircea_popescu;if they have expenses, the only reason can possibly be insanely shitty tenants,
1301672;1445176952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00049708 = 1.7398 BTC [+] {2} 
1301673;1445176955;mircea_popescu;which keep damaging the property.
1301674;1445177033;HeySteve;lol there's plenty of those here, could tell some stories. but in this case of this agency who are more high end market, it's the expense of running a slush fund
1301675;1445177062;mircea_popescu;a what ?
1301676;1445177075;mircea_popescu;what's this, the cia rental agency ?
1301677;1445177076;HeySteve;like a hookers and coke fund, you know, it's bezzle
1301678;1445177104;HeySteve;I don't know where the money goes but they are raking in all these deposits
1301679;1445177110;mircea_popescu;a slush fund is money a government body, such as an embassy, secret service, captured "business" runs to bribe people with.
1301680;1445177123;mircea_popescu;this is not in any sense related to the concept of bezzle.
1301681;1445177144;HeySteve;ok, noted
1301682;1445177158;mircea_popescu;well, if you don't know where it goes maybe it's legitimate ? maybe they actually spend ~1.1k after each tenant leaves, on average.
1301683;1445177184;HeySteve;they inflate the repair and cleaning expenses at least 5x from the bills I've seen
1301684;1445177196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00049427 = 2.0759 BTC [-]
1301685;1445177197;HeySteve;$25 light bulbs etc.
1301686;1445177220;mircea_popescu;well... the new expensive ones are about there no ?
1301687;1445177247;HeySteve;about competitors advertising deposit fairness, hope they will use this system I propose to enforce it.
1301688;1445177301;HeySteve;well maybe for marijuana growers but I mean just regular 60W bulbs, shouldn't be more than $5 here
1301689;1445177318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12376 @ 0.00049709 = 6.152 BTC [+] {2} 
1301690;1445177350;HeySteve;the china cheapies are like $2.5 max
1301691;1445177366;mircea_popescu;no but i mean the "energy efficient" mercury dispensers.
1301692;1445177379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14499 @ 0.00049931 = 7.2395 BTC [+] {4} 
1301693;1445177388;mircea_popescu;they're often in rental units because hey, "energy efficiency". i have to take them out every time.
1301694;1445177407;HeySteve;ah right, sure those are more but even if they're upgrading them it's still over-priced and outside contract
1301695;1445177431;HeySteve;I read about you finding "MP" old style bulbs
1301696;1445177446;mircea_popescu;you have NO IDEA what an impact quality of lighting has on quality of life.
1301697;1445177463;HeySteve;what was the story there, random find or they actually made them for you?
1301698;1445177583;mircea_popescu;haha no, actual light bulb (proper incandescents, not the bullshit halogens emplaced in an incandescent ampoule) is still produced, and still sold.
1301699;1445177637;shinohai;I am glad that someone still likes incandescent bulbs. I have an entire case of GE 60 and 100 watts in my basement.
1301700;1445177681;mircea_popescu;i have no problem flood-lighting industrial spaces in sodium lamps, or blowing the shit out of consumable beauties in the studio with halogen projectors.
1301701;1445177694;mircea_popescu;but at home, ima have the warm tones of old style filament, tyvm.
1301702;1445177770;shinohai;I like them for reading, I mainly use them in my library/lab
1301703;1445177837;pete_dushenski;top o' the mornin', lads !
1301704;1445177863;HeySteve;I have a UV light from an old apparatus I should find a use for
1301705;1445177867;HeySteve;hey pete_dushenski
1301706;1445177870;mircea_popescu;anyway, as a take-away : if you're depressed, before you try seroquel or whatever, try changing your lightbulbs.
1301707;1445177884;pete_dushenski;^
1301708;1445177898;pete_dushenski;and fiddling with your computer's screen settings
1301709;1445177922;mircea_popescu;yeah. evne if you don't have a crt, 6300k is better than 9
1301710;1445177924;HeySteve;heard about the SAD lamps but screen settings?
1301711;1445177986;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301624 << there's nothing outside the paper rental contract at the end of the day. but i guess i'm still about foggy about what 'this' is
1301712;1445177986;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 07:40:52; HeySteve: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300868 < yes indeed. wanted to ask you, as a landlord, if a larger deposit or possibly additional contract terms outside the paper rental contract would entice you to look at something like this
1301713;1445177988;shinohai;I suppose when my supply runs out I will have to learn to blow glass and make my own.
1301714;1445178055;mircea_popescu;shinohai or go to china town.
1301715;1445178075;pete_dushenski;i set my screens at 5`500k in the daytime and dial it back to 4`100k before bed to wind me down
1301716;1445178139;HeySteve;yeah warm white bulbs look a lot better than cool blue, or however they call them
1301717;1445178141;pete_dushenski;;;seen mats
1301718;1445178141;gribble;mats was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <mats> it was due for a few weeks
1301719;1445178162;shinohai;When I find them in my travels, I will generally buy them whether one or ten. I bought these cases from a store that went out of biz.
1301720;1445178165;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1301721;1445178166;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.13, Best ask: 265.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 265.13, 24 hour volume: 24875.3493399, 24 hour low: 264.0, 24 hour high: 275.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1301722;1445178172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049964 = 4.097 BTC [+]
1301723;1445178258;pete_dushenski;HeySteve: as high as 6x << that's. bananas. and not the kind for practising deepthroats either.
1301724;1445178259;mircea_popescu;aww, ethereum only down 1% today ?
1301725;1445178271;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301624 << there's nothing outside the paper rental contract at the end of the day. but i guess i'm still about foggy about what 'this' is < haven't reached clarity yet myself but this discussion is helping a lot. basically a multiple of the rental deposit normally paid to the landlord gets escrowed in cryptocurrency.
1301726;1445178271;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 07:40:52; HeySteve: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300868 < yes indeed. wanted to ask you, as a landlord, if a larger deposit or possibly additional contract terms outside the paper rental contract would entice you to look at something like this
1301727;1445178289;HeySteve;pete_dushenski, apparently that's the standard garantia in uruguay
1301728;1445178314;HeySteve;pretty brutal but that's what I found when looking at renting that side
1301729;1445178327;pete_dushenski;aha. well who gives a shit about uruguay ?
1301730;1445178343;pete_dushenski;just cuz they legalised weed doesn't mean anyone wants to live there
1301731;1445178354;mircea_popescu;so let me get this straight, you want to give people too poor to litigate, too stupid / desocialized to talk to the landlord and too scared to act the option "you can either pay 100 to the landlord as deposit or 300 to me and unlike the landlord I PROMISE to give it back (maybe), except im not anywhere near you and you can't burn my house down" ?
1301732;1445178359;mircea_popescu;this is your idea ?
1301733;1445178362;mircea_popescu;they'll take the 100.
1301734;1445178366;pete_dushenski;HeySteve: standard bank interest is about 6% << also uruguay ? or mars ?
1301735;1445178397;mircea_popescu;in fact, your idea sounds to alf like it was invented by the landlords in question, because the mere presence of this bad (horrible!) option on the table makes the miserable first more palatable than it would be on its own.
1301736;1445178408;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski aparently south africa. i have nfi.
1301737;1445178420;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aww, ethereum only down 1% today ? << sun's barely up.
1301738;1445178429;mircea_popescu;"today" as in "past 24"
1301739;1445178450;pete_dushenski;no trading on the sabbath
1301740;1445178456;pete_dushenski;:P
1301741;1445178461;mircea_popescu;lol
1301742;1445178468;HeySteve;pete_dushenski in south africa
1301743;1445178485;HeySteve;but I wouldn't recommend it as a carry trade destination
1301744;1445178486;pete_dushenski;so THAT'S why fluffypony's so comfy there !
1301745;1445178493;mircea_popescu;lol
1301746;1445178497;mircea_popescu;i have my doubts, tbh.
1301747;1445178502;pete_dushenski;not just the hot wife with the sexy middle finger
1301748;1445178513;mircea_popescu;you know "hot wife" is a term of art.
1301749;1445178529;pete_dushenski;ok ?
1301750;1445178530;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, no promise, 2 of 3 escrow
1301751;1445178543;mircea_popescu;HeySteve what ?
1301752;1445178550;pete_dushenski;HeySteve that's just MORE counterparties, y'know
1301753;1445178562;pete_dushenski;not helping your case
1301754;1445178568;mircea_popescu;the outcome is that he gets his deposit back SOMETIMES. so maybe.
1301755;1445178581;HeySteve;well no, tenant and landlord are 2 parties. if both sides keep to contract, my only role is telling them how to set it up
1301756;1445178596;mircea_popescu;but the tenant still only gets his deposit back maybe.
1301757;1445178621;mircea_popescu;and you promise. for all he knows you throw dimes to figure out who to side with.
1301758;1445178625;HeySteve;well, say landlord claims "but you broke lightbulb so I'm keeping it all." there's a process based on evidence.
1301759;1445178646;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the failures of "evidence based" in "process", be it political, juridical or otherwise
1301760;1445178647;*;pete_dushenski can't imagine the cost of this 'evidence gathering'
1301761;1445178653;mircea_popescu;you are entirely unequipped to handle this.
1301762;1445178653;HeySteve;and it's public, so if I take bribes pretty soon it'll become obvious
1301763;1445178660;mircea_popescu;...
1301764;1445178662;pete_dushenski;lol
1301765;1445178668;mircea_popescu;you mean, like it is "obvious" that the rental agency suycks ?
1301766;1445178685;mircea_popescu;here, it's obvious : you take bribes.
1301767;1445178688;mircea_popescu;i read it on the internet.
1301768;1445178699;shinohai;"Dear Mr. Landlord: I knew you were probably gonna keep my deposit anyway, so I just went ahead and trashed up the place good so you can keep the deposit."
1301769;1445178720;mircea_popescu;except they already did that and are lying about it now.
1301770;1445178819;HeySteve;the evidence thing, at start and conclusion of contract, tenant and landlord document condition of property with photo and video
1301771;1445178839;mircea_popescu;so ima spend two hours shooting amateur footage to (maybe!) save 60 bucks a year from now ?
1301772;1445178856;mircea_popescu;what do you do when the landlord and the tenant each upload a video and they don't even look like they come from the same place ?
1301773;1445178866;HeySteve;so you can say if damages or dirtiness occur and tenant loses fair cost to fix that, or landlord is trying to pull a fast one and doesn't get to keep deposit
1301774;1445178880;mircea_popescu;you can tell if dirtyness occurs from amateur shot digicams ?!
1301775;1445178897;HeySteve;maybe not a fine layer of dust
1301776;1445178907;HeySteve;but if someone uses the microwave as a BBQ (happens here) then it's clear
1301777;1445178923;HeySteve;you know, big expensive damages are obvious
1301778;1445178953;HeySteve;and that's mostly the costly stuff, although trying to think of exceptional cases of subtle but costly damage
1301779;1445178956;mircea_popescu;not only is this a horrible idea, but it is my considered opinion that you are very far yet from the intellectual maturity that'd allow you to marry, let alone raise children, and that running any kind of business is many many years in the future AFTER THAT.
1301780;1445178959;HeySteve;those would probably need an expert
1301781;1445178961;mircea_popescu;so let's talk of something else.
1301782;1445179112;HeySteve;well, that's a bit blunt but I'll certainly consider the objections and problems.
1301783;1445179240;pete_dushenski;HeySteve in large part, that's why ~people~ hang around here : the bluntness
1301784;1445179422;pete_dushenski;http://qz.com/523746/a-photographer-edits-out-our-smartphones-to-show-our-strange-and-lonely-new-world/ << the pictures of the kids are the saddest
1301785;1445179423;assbot;A photographer edits out our smartphones to show our strange and lonely new world - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMr27L )
1301786;1445179530;HeySteve;pete_dushenski well I agree, it has made things clearer. helps me when approaching people who won't speak their mind, knowing how they will might it.
1301787;1445179545;HeySteve;*might see it, rather
1301788;1445179819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34159 @ 0.00049964 = 17.0672 BTC [+] {2} 
1301789;1445179880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36011 @ 0.00050065 = 18.0289 BTC [+] {3} 
1301790;1445180010;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301783   <<< Better for self-improvement, no? We can go back to reddit and have fellow narcissistic trolls tell you "it's not you, it's them." Now with more upboats for your feels.
1301791;1445180010;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 14:40:40; pete_dushenski: HeySteve in large part, that's why ~people~ hang around here : the bluntness
1301792;1445180124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050165 = 6.7723 BTC [+]
1301793;1445180125;mircea_popescu;it's not like i hate you or anything. the problem is that you're intellectually imuno-compromised so to speak, by which i mean : you get ideas, which is fine, but also a common function of the human mind. but then when you go to evaluate them, your evaluator is broken, and when the evaluator is called into question it's discovered in turn that the building blocks are also broken and in turn the building blocks for thos
1301794;1445180126;mircea_popescu;e. this is a very vulnerable position to be in, and it requires immediate and insistent attention.
1301795;1445180143;pete_dushenski;bbias
1301796;1445180429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00050229 = 13.8381 BTC [+] {4} 
1301797;1445181344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8915 @ 0.00050396 = 4.4928 BTC [+] {2} 
1301798;1445181527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28707 @ 0.00050656 = 14.5418 BTC [+] {4} 
1301799;1445182137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00050665 = 11.2476 BTC [+] {2} 
1301800;1445182407;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/3p5zyc/wts_my_rare_books_and_historical_documents_for/
1301801;1445182408;assbot;[WTS] My rare books and historical documents for your bitcoins! : BitMarket ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkyLs5 )
1301802;1445183174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050797 = 7.1116 BTC [+]
1301803;1445183357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00050666 = 6.6879 BTC [-]
1301804;1445184536;mircea_popescu;in other mews, http://38.media.tumblr.com/6426d9675efcbf9eeadc9feffe88f34e/tumblr_nojy7w9Bqk1uugdkfo1_400.gif
1301805;1445184538;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhVFvu )
1301806;1445184638;fluffypony;http://geekologie.com/2015/10/amsterdam-photographer-wanders-around-at.php
1301807;1445184639;assbot;Amsterdam Photographer Wanders Around At Night Customizing Stranger's Cars With Cardboard Mods | Geekologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1KhVMHm )
1301808;1445184941;mircea_popescu;omaigawd these idiots with forcing cigarette packs to depict whatever valuable messages.
1301809;1445184966;mircea_popescu;manufacturers are putting stuff like "it's what's inside that counts" on the remaining space and winning with it.
1301810;1445185013;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301653 << correct. the idiot-poor imagine that the source of their misfortune is the malfeasance of a ~particular~ landlord. rather than the existence of landlords as a class.
1301811;1445185013;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 13:49:52; mircea_popescu: this is like saying the mcdonalds makes a tidy living off giving out wrong change.
1301812;1445185039;mircea_popescu;the existence of landlords as a class is no more to their detriment than the existence of fire as a phenomena.
1301813;1445185060;asciilifeform;fire as a phenomenon is a downer when you're in hell.
1301814;1445185065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00050464 = 34.9211 BTC [-] {5} 
1301815;1445185090;mircea_popescu;i know, i know, "british researches discover antioxidants hold secret to eternal lyf"
1301816;1445185102;asciilifeform;l0l
1301817;1445185145;asciilifeform;rentierism is not this inescapable thing, like oxidation.
1301818;1445185150;mircea_popescu;but it is.
1301819;1445185151;asciilifeform;my grandfathers paid 0 rent.
1301820;1445185157;mircea_popescu;and lived in a shithole.
1301821;1445185159;asciilifeform;aha
1301822;1445185164;asciilifeform;whereas i pay to live in shithole.
1301823;1445185171;mircea_popescu;before fire people had 0 fires!
1301824;1445185188;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. because none of the tools you hoard, your grandfather could have had.
1301825;1445185212;asciilifeform;i'd trade it all for pen, paper, and zero orcs
1301826;1445185216;mircea_popescu;they are, much like the jet, mere prongs. extensions. that require the whole story, and the whole story is that finance.
1301827;1445185229;mircea_popescu;this is moot, because you are not engaging in commerce.
1301828;1445185233;asciilifeform;naturally.
1301829;1445185241;mircea_popescu;your grandfather traded the pen paper and 0 orcs for this, and this is what you have.
1301830;1445185247;asciilifeform;nobody's showing up with time machine and asking 'wanne be peano?'
1301831;1445185276;asciilifeform;grandfather traded; i - given half a chance - will trade right fucking back.
1301832;1445185289;mircea_popescu;(note that the 0 orcs in THAT case comes from lack of differentiation. there's a lot fewer retarded children at 2 weeks than at 2 years of age. guess why ?)
1301833;1445185373;asciilifeform;but let's pretend grandfather had lived in usa. there, folks paid for five-room house what today a schmuck pays for a car. (sums converted per any algo you like)
1301834;1445185399;mircea_popescu;"all my grandcarbons traded soot for gaseous form, said the co2. and given half a chance, i'll trade it right the fuck back, said he. and so it was, and had been a number of times prior.)
1301835;1445185408;mircea_popescu;but we can't pretend like this.
1301836;1445185419;asciilifeform;hey all the co2 needs is to sit in the sun...
1301837;1445185430;asciilifeform;a bit harder for man.
1301838;1445185440;mircea_popescu;for a co2 this is hard work. from each according to his complexitits.
1301839;1445185444;asciilifeform;l0lz
1301840;1445185448;mircea_popescu;hehe
1301841;1445185491;asciilifeform;related lul: http://qz.com/524138/rent-is-so-high-in-san-francisco-that-im-a-software-engineer-and-i-live-in-a-van
1301842;1445185492;assbot;Rent is so high in San Francisco that I’m a software engineer and I live in a van - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONxrj2 )
1301843;1445185511;mircea_popescu;i've had this discussion with old folk in romania. they have a very distinct FEEL for the old style settled village life in that space. i have a very precise understanding of it, because they're cows and i'm the young lord. nevertheless, the point stands :
1301844;1445185529;mircea_popescu;yes, "all the girls were happy and all the boys lalala". but did they know how to suck cock ?
1301845;1445185557;mircea_popescu;"oh, we did without", is the answer, if the guy;'s not too much of an intellectual coward and the matter's even considered.
1301846;1445185566;asciilifeform;they did without z80 even!
1301847;1445185570;mircea_popescu;fine, so you did without this, and that. now you do without this other and that other. so what of it ?
1301848;1445185595;mircea_popescu;"it was better". i'm sure. until it is and all you can think of is how to trade dad's old house for two shiny new ipads and a van.
1301849;1445185597;mircea_popescu;IT MOVES111
1301850;1445185617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu knows the old legend of how manhattan was sold ?
1301851;1445185621;mircea_popescu;yes.
1301852;1445185626;asciilifeform;same idea, no ?
1301853;1445185633;mircea_popescu;no.
1301854;1445185643;mircea_popescu;or moreover, perhaps, but i don't think you have the right idea.
1301855;1445185662;asciilifeform;same from the white man's pov. the indians, of course, laughed, because they had no intention of vacating
1301856;1445185662;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : at the time the sale completed you didn't know who is pulling the dud. they thought they got equal value.
1301857;1445185665;mircea_popescu;THIS is why landlords.
1301858;1445185676;mircea_popescu;some people want to go all in. some do not.
1301859;1445185687;mircea_popescu;you have to have deals between them to allow each to get what he wants.
1301860;1445185817;asciilifeform;sure. when i need a bulldozer, i rent it.
1301861;1445185844;mircea_popescu;aha.
1301862;1445185856;mircea_popescu;oxidation.
1301863;1445185872;asciilifeform;but bulldozer shops, as a class, have not removed the option of keeping the bulk of my paycheque.
1301864;1445185894;mircea_popescu;and fire as a class has not removed the option of keeping the bulk of your skin.
1301865;1445185898;mircea_popescu;up to your stupid head.
1301866;1445185935;asciilifeform;this'd be more like the uv background in new zealand.
1301867;1445185943;mircea_popescu;so yes, you're right : the idiot-poor imagine that the source of their misfortune is the malfeasance of a ~particular~ event, rather than the large clump of shit they carry around on their shoulders.
1301868;1445185947;asciilifeform;at a certain point, 'keeping your skin' becomes an all-consuming project.
1301869;1445186007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu makes it sound like 'these morons are stuffing their fingers into mains sockets, all they gotta do is stop!'
1301870;1445186018;asciilifeform;but what would 'stop' look like? let's have a worked example ?
1301871;1445186059;mircea_popescu;depends. what's the example gonna be scored on ?
1301872;1445186067;asciilifeform;plausibility ?
1301873;1445186081;asciilifeform;with 'yes you can take the finger out of the socket!' being a 1.0
1301874;1445186086;asciilifeform;(entirely feasible)
1301875;1445186100;asciilifeform;and 'fly to mars on your farts, find phreedom there!' a 0.0
1301876;1445186144;mircea_popescu;so what exactly is the start situation, 25 derp with 100k in college debt, no skills, no resources, no social net, in the middle of a shitland like the us ?
1301877;1445186168;asciilifeform;nah, this is cheating
1301878;1445186171;asciilifeform;this fella is mega-loaded
1301879;1445186172;mircea_popescu;well ?
1301880;1445186176;asciilifeform;with not-being-bound-to-the-soil
1301881;1445186178;mircea_popescu;so make the situation up.
1301882;1445186255;asciilifeform;let's have a programmer, of some skill, no social net, no savings, pays 100K rent to make 120K in some godforsaken saltmine, in usa
1301883;1445186297;mircea_popescu;forget about it. go up to every woman over 50 you run into, kneel before her, kiss her shoes, beg her to give you something to do. explain that you have made such a mess of your life, this is actually the only sane avenue out.
1301884;1445186322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu offers the broomstick !
1301885;1445186327;asciilifeform;i knew it.
1301886;1445186334;mircea_popescu;there's no rule that you must LIKE IT.
1301887;1445186360;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: work this example. so schmuck sat down on this broomstick. now what happens ?
1301888;1445186363;asciilifeform;god forgives his sins?
1301889;1445186366;asciilifeform;how does this work.
1301890;1445186368;mircea_popescu;yes.
1301891;1445186388;mircea_popescu;no, that's exactly what happens. his worthless existence is forfeit, but he'll hopefully have some kids a little less retarded than him
1301892;1445186390;mircea_popescu;A LITTLE.
1301893;1445186402;mircea_popescu;five or so generations out he might even have reached humanity.
1301894;1445186410;mircea_popescu;with some luck, anyway.
1301895;1445186419;asciilifeform;how does the >50 woman produce the kids ?
1301896;1445186423;asciilifeform;out of clay ?
1301897;1445186439;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301808 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/18/smoking-causes-cancer-and-other-humourously-enraging-consequences-of-regulatory-capture/
1301898;1445186439;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:15:41; mircea_popescu: omaigawd these idiots with forcing cigarette packs to depict whatever valuable messages.
1301899;1445186440;assbot;Smoking causes cancer, and other humourously enraging consequences of regulatory capture | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONzraR )
1301900;1445186443;mircea_popescu;no, see, it is not your job to contribute anything intellectually to this.
1301901;1445186448;mircea_popescu;never you mind how she does it. you're the clay.
1301902;1445186461;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski aha.
1301903;1445186487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will be delighted to learn that we already had this algo. it was called 'the last bullet health, life, and retirement pension co.'
1301904;1445186489;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu 99.5% 'smoking is bad'-ery
1301905;1445186493;pete_dushenski;per pack
1301906;1445186503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even similar.
1301907;1445186529;asciilifeform;entirely similar. schmuck: 'i have a problem.' commander: slides pistol with one round across the table
1301908;1445186536;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1301909;1445186543;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301806 << pretty weak effort imo
1301910;1445186543;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:10:38; fluffypony: http://geekologie.com/2015/10/amsterdam-photographer-wanders-around-at.php
1301911;1445186580;mircea_popescu;the case here is, schmuck : when i drink coffee, my eye hurts. commander : take the spoon out of cup before driniking. schmuck : i would rather kill myself.
1301912;1445186604;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, the problem is the broken brain that fails to comprehend how spoons work is also unsurprisingly going to incorrectly evaluate suicide as an option.
1301913;1445186608;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301825 << ok spinoza.
1301914;1445186608;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:20:12; asciilifeform: i'd trade it all for pen, paper, and zero orcs
1301915;1445186620;mircea_popescu;spinoza had sand.
1301916;1445186632;pete_dushenski;and ?
1301917;1445186659;mircea_popescu;certainly no vagina. thinking of this... i wonder how vaginal diamond polishing would work.
1301918;1445186669;mircea_popescu;"insert and twerk"
1301919;1445186688;mircea_popescu;i wonder if one could make money with a new-age-y brand of "swarovki" crystals that you... personalize.
1301920;1445186744;pete_dushenski;it's fairly mind-blowing how much money 'swarovski' makes
1301921;1445186757;pete_dushenski;waaay bigger scam than even de beers
1301922;1445186775;mircea_popescu;course. cheaper.
1301923;1445186791;asciilifeform;actually the logic is there, even if mircea_popescu does not see it.
1301924;1445186799;asciilifeform;'this problem will not be solved for you personally, pray that your grandchildren get to live like people' <--> 'but i don't want to have children, i want to live like people ~myself~'
1301925;1445186806;asciilifeform;ergo == 'last bullet pension fund'
1301926;1445186818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with diseased mental states is not that they don't have their own, often very well drawn out, self-consistent "logic".
1301927;1445186830;mircea_popescu;the problem with diseased mental states is that THEY ARE IMPRODUCTIVE.
1301928;1445186861;mircea_popescu;which is the original complaint you formulated
1301929;1445186879;mircea_popescu;also happens to be how various nuts end up at the doctor. "what i do doesn't work" "don't do that" "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!??!?!?!"
1301930;1445186887;asciilifeform;well you were the one who diagnosed the patient as terminal, no ?
1301931;1445186894;mircea_popescu;i did ?
1301932;1445186908;mircea_popescu;i diagnosed the patient's evaluatory mechanism as terminated.
1301933;1445186909;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301883 <<
1301934;1445186909;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:38:17; mircea_popescu: forget about it. go up to every woman over 50 you run into, kneel before her, kiss her shoes, beg her to give you something to do. explain that you have made such a mess of your life, this is actually the only sane avenue out.
1301935;1445186970;mircea_popescu;aha. so ?
1301936;1445186979;mircea_popescu;what, you think humiliation ends life ?
1301937;1445186999;mircea_popescu;if only. so fewer politicians running around.
1301938;1445187007;asciilifeform;not precisely. more that ~redemptive humiliation~ only exists for young woman.
1301939;1445187012;asciilifeform;(and possibly young man, army recruit)
1301940;1445187018;mircea_popescu;heh.
1301941;1445187023;mircea_popescu;"for anyone not-me" ?
1301942;1445187038;asciilifeform;roughly.
1301943;1445187050;mircea_popescu;yeah well. so now you can look upon teh priors as such.
1301944;1445187055;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1234802 << as here.
1301945;1445187055;assbot;Logged on 11-08-2015 13:29:38; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beating old people is a bad idea.
1301946;1445187066;mircea_popescu;who said beating ?
1301947;1445187074;mircea_popescu;yes, young people you can straighten out whether they want to or not.
1301948;1445187080;mircea_popescu;old people, not so much, which is why it's upon you.
1301949;1445187111;asciilifeform;'beating' here as proxy of 'nobody needs a you for anything, find a way to stop being you'
1301950;1445187120;mircea_popescu;this is not what it means.
1301951;1445187139;asciilifeform;then what does it mean? work through the example with the old woman, for my education
1301952;1445187172;mircea_popescu;old woman that never had children ?
1301953;1445187189;asciilifeform;what happens? fella is lucky enough to encounter an old woman that will take him in as a servant? or what
1301954;1445187199;mircea_popescu;im not sure what you're asking.
1301955;1445187212;asciilifeform;'go up to every woman over 50 you run into, kneel before her, kiss her shoes, beg her to give you something to do'
1301956;1445187216;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301860 << romanian peasant farmers idem
1301957;1445187216;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:30:17; asciilifeform: sure. when i need a bulldozer, i rent it.
1301958;1445187217;mircea_popescu;aha.
1301959;1445187218;asciilifeform;what does this look like in practice ?
1301960;1445187260;mircea_popescu;from whose persepective ?
1301961;1445187297;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301867 << "can you believe the run of bad luck i've been having ?"
1301962;1445187297;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:32:23; mircea_popescu: so yes, you're right : the idiot-poor imagine that the source of their misfortune is the malfeasance of a ~particular~ event, rather than the large clump of shit they carry around on their shoulders.
1301963;1445187324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from the perspective of the schmuck
1301964;1445187332;mircea_popescu;death.
1301965;1445187354;mircea_popescu;i think the expression is "mortified"
1301966;1445187386;asciilifeform;so last bullet ?
1301967;1445187391;mircea_popescu;no. it LOOKS LIKE.
1301968;1445187411;mircea_popescu;a healhy erect cock also looks like death to a good half of fifteen year old brides.
1301969;1445187414;mircea_popescu;most survive.
1301970;1445187429;pete_dushenski;death as in 'swallow your pride'
1301971;1445187442;mircea_popescu;nah, that's easy.
1301972;1445187451;mircea_popescu;the problem is that well, cutting the knife with the very knife in question.
1301973;1445187468;mircea_popescu;we laugh when the only result of sponsored "scientific studies" is that they need more studies (ie, more sponsorship)
1301974;1445187468;asciilifeform;what comes after the 'swallowed pride' ?
1301975;1445187471;pete_dushenski;'leave your problems at the door'
1301976;1445187477;mircea_popescu;we kinda don't laugh when the only result of the stupid brain is more stupid.
1301977;1445187478;pete_dushenski;then what walks through ?
1301978;1445187509;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform pandora's box
1301979;1445187522;asciilifeform;let's take this to the actual story. mircea_popescu, in the face of the old woman says, 'stop being a programmer, here is an address of a pub, you can become an apprentice cock-sucker there' ?
1301980;1445187545;mircea_popescu;you think ?!
1301981;1445187549;mircea_popescu;i've yet to see this one.
1301982;1445187566;asciilifeform;then what, if not this? what happens after the humiliation ?
1301983;1445187572;asciilifeform;in concrete terms.
1301984;1445187575;mircea_popescu;what happens after death alfie ?
1301985;1445187580;mircea_popescu;IN CONCRETE TERMS PLOX!
1301986;1445187583;asciilifeform;worms eat ya
1301987;1445187589;mircea_popescu;that's not happening to you.
1301988;1445187600;asciilifeform;then you ain't properly dead
1301989;1445187603;pete_dushenski;worms can survive the saline environment of the mines
1301990;1445187604;asciilifeform;and are still having same problem
1301991;1445187608;pete_dushenski;can't*
1301992;1445187610;mircea_popescu;mno, i mean, you're not there~
1301993;1445187633;mircea_popescu;"i fear not my own death for when it is, i am no longer, and while i am, it isn't."
1301994;1445187649;asciilifeform;then, supposing that the Magical Wand of Curative Humiliation exists, there is a zombie walking around with your passport in his pocket, while you are dead.
1301995;1445187654;pete_dushenski;amor fati
1301996;1445187672;mircea_popescu;wait, you actually dusted off the phylosophycal zombye ?! woot.
1301997;1445187694;mircea_popescu;this is not a tool of thought, you know. it's a tool of grantsmanship.
1301998;1445187705;asciilifeform;hence my great surprise at mircea_popescu appearing to ask for him !
1301999;1445187714;mircea_popescu;but i aren't!
1302000;1445187722;asciilifeform;ok, then who is walking around after this 'death' ?
1302001;1445187730;asciilifeform;and what does he do to earn a living ?
1302002;1445187738;mircea_popescu;well, you don't know.
1302003;1445187747;mircea_popescu;that's kinda the point.
1302004;1445187748;asciilifeform;so this is all obscurantist claptrap ?
1302005;1445187752;mircea_popescu;if you will.
1302006;1445187841;pete_dushenski;damn this pop-in-pop-out stuff... time to take the worm for a walk. bbl.
1302007;1445187842;mircea_popescu;is anything that doesn't admit a technological approach (such as say, random number generation) obscurantist claptrap ?
1302008;1445187888;asciilifeform;anything that can't be modelled meaningfully
1302009;1445187896;asciilifeform;(rng sure as fuck - can)
1302010;1445187901;mircea_popescu;in every arbitrary context ?
1302011;1445187916;asciilifeform;in some context, on demand
1302012;1445187931;mircea_popescu;even in a context that is by definition constructed to not allow the modelling ?
1302013;1445187949;*;asciilifeform has to go and change the canister in his sophistry gas mask now. bbl
1302014;1445188041;mircea_popescu;"worms eat you psssh". i could have said "life goes on" for all the good that does anyone. and then I'M THE SOPHIST!!1
1302015;1445190210;mircea_popescu;bwhaha and the next thing i run into is, of course, http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/01/can_narcissism_be_cured.html
1302016;1445190213;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Can Narcissism Be Cured? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rivj1D )
1302017;1445190240;mircea_popescu;"VIII.  The Solution No One Will Like
1302018;1445190240;mircea_popescu;"I feel like I am playing a part, that I'm in a role. It doesn't feel real."
1302019;1445190240;mircea_popescu;Instead of trying to stop playing a role-- again, a move whose aim is your happiness-- try playing a different role whose aim is someone else's happiness.  Why not play the part of the happy husband of three kids?"
1302020;1445190255;mircea_popescu;the solution is retarded in that it doesn't solute anything, but the MECHANISM is in fact exposed.
1302021;1445191104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6252 @ 0.00050528 = 3.159 BTC [+]
1302022;1445191293;ben_vulpes;;;later tell trinque yo deedbot- got calved off the b-assberg
1302023;1445191293;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1302024;1445191495;trinque;pile of chairs indeed
1302025;1445191498;trinque;ty ben_vulpes
1302026;1445191592;ben_vulpes;mhm
1302027;1445199278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6648 @ 0.00050528 = 3.3591 BTC [+]
1302028;1445200132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00050289 = 2.1624 BTC [-] {2} 
1302029;1445200552;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski I must have missed it
1302030;1445200552;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1302031;1445201024;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.pete_dushenski.3:181eea84adc32cac0586d411004fe8d2ce395be54679d593bb55037d785074e6
1302032;1445201024;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 3 for pete_dushenski with note: Just great
1302033;1445201207;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/13YT417
1302034;1445201208;assbot;dpaste: 13YT417 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHItV )
1302035;1445201208;deedbot-;Bad URL or network outage.
1302036;1445201233;trinque;BingoBoingo: needs the text one.
1302037;1445201251;BingoBoingo;Ah, ty
1302038;1445201257;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/13YT417.txt
1302039;1445201258;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHOS4 )
1302040;1445201259;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1302041;1445201269;trinque;yw
1302042;1445201495;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3XRMDWP.txt
1302043;1445201496;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIhnh )
1302044;1445201496;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1302045;1445202536;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302000 if the "after" you thinks and acts completely differently, then how is it different from death?
1302046;1445202536;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 17:02:02; asciilifeform: ok, then who is walking around after this 'death' ?
1302047;1445202558;jurov;you want to learn from him. but he does inscrutable things you may even abhor.
1302048;1445203272;mircea_popescu;quite.
1302049;1445204156;mircea_popescu;this is an interesting quote,
1302050;1445204158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00050437 = 8.6247 BTC [+]
1302051;1445204185;mircea_popescu;I will forgo any back story as to why I was in the situation I was in. Just know that it involved an absent dad and one very bad, pathological liar of a mom.
1302052;1445204185;mircea_popescu;When I was 15-17 I was in DCFS custody for (honestly) "insubordinance". Don't ever underestimate the power of a sociopathic mom and a corrupt juvenile system. Eventually I found myself placed in a foster home under the pretext that I'd be on my way back home as soon as I "straightened up" and flew right. Among the many dozens of pathetic failings of the system I was now privy to, this post reminded me of one in particu
1302053;1445204185;mircea_popescu;lar. While the foster family was at church one day, curiosity got the better of me and I snuck a peek at the file of reports they were required to submit to the company the state was outsourcing foster care to. Imagine my surprise (I was naive) when I discovered they were submitting false incident reports.
1302054;1445204188;mircea_popescu;They were completely fabricating incidents in order to make it look like I not only belonged there, but needed to be there quite a bit longer. Of course, every report ended with them swooping in to save the day and resolve things in-house. For those that don't see why they'd do such a thing, most (yes, sadly it's most) foster parents do it for the MONEY. I ended up staying in 3 different homes. #1) I slept in a storage
1302055;1445204193;mircea_popescu; closet with a sheet for a door. #2) I slept in a 10x10 bedroom with 2 sets of bunk beds always running at full capacity. #3) I slept in the utility closet that contained the hot water heater. It was barely big enough to fit the tiny bed, but at least this time I had a door.
1302056;1445204199;mircea_popescu;When it came down to it, they saw their choices as either telling the truth and risk me being sent home or filing fake incident reports to keep me placed there. I was an easy check every month. The only work they had to do was write false incident reports and fill out some paperwork in order to get paid. If I were to be sent home I'd be replaced by a kid that would most likely have real and serious behavior issues. If
1302057;1445204204;mircea_popescu;you're only in it for the money, why do more work for the same pay? F#@$ that. It would take things like morals and integrity to do the right thing in the juvenile system in this country; two of the many virtues this system has little to none of. Corrupt judges receiving kickbacks and facility owners buying jets and boats with money obtained by falsely imprisoning minors is all business as usual in the juvenile justice
1302058;1445204209;mircea_popescu; system. Things like this are only news to those who have never been a part of it.
1302059;1445204211;mircea_popescu;(How I got out of it is just as far-fetched to most people as the lies that put me in it in the first place.)
1302060;1445204214;mircea_popescu;always remember : for every aspirational derpy chick with delusions of self importance
1302061;1445204219;mircea_popescu;there exist in the us-of-a at least a dozen juvenile females who go "at least i had a door".
1302062;1445205840;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/655767895293587461
1302063;1445205964;shinohai;Sounds good until I get accused of plagiarism and hounded on twitter to return the $30-40 in BTC you "paid" me to write.
1302064;1445205993;mircea_popescu;ahahah ouch
1302065;1445206109;shinohai;He strikes me as the type of guy that would want me to pay him royalties just to quote him.
1302066;1445206134;mircea_popescu;he;s the type of guy like that marginal tv derp what's his face, with the icelandic coin scam
1302067;1445206139;mircea_popescu;keiser.
1302068;1445206165;mircea_popescu;he'll read what the teleprompter says while pretending he's somebody. meanwhile he's nobody and it's too late for him to get an actual job anyway.
1302069;1445206233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00050289 = 8.8006 BTC [-]
1302070;1445206360;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/7122f3f2a8980e55c37e462b4cf1d3ea/tumblr_ns7v1mscjA1uv9b3so1_400.gif
1302071;1445206361;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNovu2 )
1302072;1445206743;shinohai;Now I crave asian food. :D
1302073;1445207025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00050289 = 10.1584 BTC [-]
1302074;1445207242;mircea_popescu;apparently, suicide among physicians in the us is larger than for the general population. however - male suicide is LOWER, whereas female suicide is not only higher, it's actually highere than the male
1302075;1445207253;mircea_popescu;(a trend never seen, anywhere, anytime.)
1302076;1445207289;mircea_popescu;congrats "feminists", you're making women wanna kill themselves! or, http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/
1302077;1445207290;assbot;Hey, stupid women ? We need to talk. Smart women don't want to be with you anymore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNqnmz )
1302078;1445207364;shinohai;Living in America period is enough to make you wanna kill yourself sometimes, sex be damned.
1302079;1445207511;thestringpuller;shinohai: You can always just play GTA and laugh at how ridiculous America is.
1302080;1445207526;thestringpuller;or watch South Park, same effect.
1302081;1445207657;shinohai;Or I can turn off the TV and read an actual book ....
1302082;1445207702;mircea_popescu;tv has tits on display in this passive-agressive manner tho
1302083;1445207716;mircea_popescu;almost like a lobotomized henry miller wrote it all.
1302084;1445207808;shinohai;My gf's tits display pretty nicely ... in HD AND zoom works!
1302085;1445207899;mircea_popescu;"look honey, you're the size of a cow. and i don't mean the cow's udder. i mean the whole enchicowada."
1302086;1445208331;mircea_popescu;"I go priced out of my childhood neighborhood, then out of my childhood city, then out of the region, then the state.
1302087;1445208332;mircea_popescu;I have spent the last ten years of my life putting a normal-sized American family in crackerboxes and apartments, living with roommates, not going on vacation, cooking and buying secondhand and making do and doing all the rest of the normal things that normal people used to understand you had to do if you couldn't afford to do different."
1302088;1445208333;mircea_popescu;heh.
1302089;1445208855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25058 @ 0.00050337 = 12.6134 BTC [+] {2} 
1302090;1445209953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17349 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7545 BTC [+] {3} 
1302091;1445211114;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/ce8d62368d588d9266f4196bce784bec/tumblr_nuh6e9d3Uv1urpjixo1_400.gif << possibly the first actual use for an ipad
1302092;1445211115;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCJ4dY )
1302093;1445212361;funkenstein_;evenin'  y'all,  some lulzy spam for you:  http://dpaste.com/3ANHGWB#wrap
1302094;1445212363;assbot;dpaste: 3ANHGWB ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCKwNx )
1302095;1445212488;funkenstein_;http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/10/15/23017170/theres-so-much-porn-no-one-watches-it-anymore
1302096;1445212493;assbot;There's So Much Porn No One Watches It Anymore - Slog - The Stranger ... ( http://bit.ly/1VZFd9Z )
1302097;1445212751;thestringpuller;it's a pete_dushenski
1302098;1445212806;pete_dushenski;howdy thestringpuller
1302099;1445212816;pete_dushenski;how goes it this fine sunday evening ?
1302100;1445212874;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo cheers !
1302101;1445212874;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1302102;1445212928;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302061 << the silent majority indeed.
1302103;1445212928;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 21:36:59; mircea_popescu: there exist in the us-of-a at least a dozen juvenile females who go "at least i had a door".
1302104;1445213694;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302078 <-- i bet thestringpuller knows why i choose to live in babylon
1302105;1445213694;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 22:29:24; shinohai: Living in America period is enough to make you wanna kill yourself sometimes, sex be damned.
1302106;1445213801;funkenstein_;hint - not meatwot
1302107;1445214044;pete_dushenski;funkenstein_: babylon eh. like with saifedean in lebanon or what ?
1302108;1445214058;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302074 << source ?
1302109;1445214058;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 22:27:22; mircea_popescu: apparently, suicide among physicians in the us is larger than for the general population. however - male suicide is LOWER, whereas female suicide is not only higher, it's actually highere than the male
1302110;1445214088;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302084 << pic ? ;)
1302111;1445214088;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 22:36:48; shinohai: My gf's tits display pretty nicely ... in HD AND zoom works!
1302112;1445214300;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1302093 << .js probably doesn't mean much to old lady with winbloze craptop. and what's to stop her from thinking to herself "oh my those nice people in the tall building down on main street sure are moving with the times. and saving paper too! how thoughtful."
1302113;1445214300;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 23:52:41; funkenstein_: evenin'  y'all,  some lulzy spam for you:  http://dpaste.com/3ANHGWB#wrap
1302114;1445214442;funkenstein_;yeah and "court date".. better see what they want eh?  especially in babylon ;)
1302115;1445214450;pete_dushenski;https://infographwetrust.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/daily-rituals.png << dunno how credible nor wtf 'maya angelou' and her fucking commute are doing in amongst the respectable folks, but 7 hours of sleep seem so be pretty standard.
1302116;1445214452;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJVf6x )
1302117;1445214470;pete_dushenski;seems*
1302118;1445214729;pete_dushenski;also of note (if true) : milton was the most physically active at 4hrs per day, flaubert did the most reading at 5hrs per day, and balzac did the most writing at 13.5hrs per day
1302119;1445214757;funkenstein_;wow balzac wins i guess
1302120;1445214804;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that nonsense.
1302121;1445214815;funkenstein_;reminds me of when i first visited buenos aires
1302122;1445214817;funkenstein_;oh hai
1302123;1445214819;mircea_popescu;they expect people to reply to then sell them legal services or something ?
1302124;1445214895;mircea_popescu;da fuck, the most. i read 8 to 10 hours a day.
1302125;1445214966;pete_dushenski;i'm guessing that if these figures have any meaning at all that they're from their 'productive years'
1302126;1445214972;mircea_popescu;and the other side of interracial : http://38.media.tumblr.com/eb6aff9563d7b97361bbae0bfac79fc1/tumblr_nkyao68Sfu1ttr86so1_500.gif
1302127;1445214973;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJWBhw )
1302128;1445215004;pete_dushenski;or whenever they wrote their magnum opuses
1302129;1445215029;pete_dushenski;opii ?
1302130;1445215053;mircea_popescu;oopses.
1302131;1445215071;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: looks like 'old south' style interracialism
1302132;1445215099;mircea_popescu;looks like two having fun but what do i know.
1302133;1445215111;pete_dushenski;well that too
1302134;1445215186;funkenstein_;i went to a "music" event there, advertising 14 hrs. of music beginning at 1 am
1302135;1445215205;pete_dushenski;"If you say you are an artist, but you make little money from selling your art, can your work be considered a profession in the eyes of the Internal Revenue Service? In a ruling handed down late last week by the United States Tax Court and seen by many as an important victory for artists, the answer is yes."
1302136;1445215224;pete_dushenski;"The I.R.S., which accused Ms. Crile of underpaying her taxes by more than $81,000 from 2004 to 2009, argued that based on several factors, such as her lack of a written business plan, her work as an artist was “an activity not engaged in for profit” and that she could not claim tax deductions in excess of the income she made from her art."
1302137;1445215341;mircea_popescu;art, of course, has nothing to do with this. the irs does not get to decide is the core.
1302138;1445215348;ben_vulpes;<BingoBoingo> deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3XRMDWP.txt << positiion
1302139;1445215349;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIhnh )
1302140;1445215360;mircea_popescu;i'd be kinda surprised if the irs actually earnestly argued against this one.
1302141;1445215361;ben_vulpes;:^)
1302142;1445215394;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: The spelling should be the same in the other signed ones
1302143;1445215411;mircea_popescu;"Girlfriends are another.  Girlfriends say: I pretend to believe you when you say you know kung fu, because I love you.  The boyfriend says, not hearing anything she said:   I'll stay with you until either I know kung fu; or you realize I don't really know kung fu, and my shame makes me hate you.  What does it matter?  None of this is the real thing anyway."
1302144;1445215412;mircea_popescu;owch.
1302145;1445215462;mircea_popescu;but yes, it's reasonably persuasive. the west is broken because "the women". specifically, because the women would like to help and the men can't be helped by them.
1302146;1445215575;ben_vulpes;"men"
1302147;1445215731;pete_dushenski;dinner beckons too soon. bon soir !
1302148;1445216214;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.67225201 BTC on 'No' - BTC to reach $1000 or more in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1169/btc-to-reach-1000-or-more-in-2015/#b23
1302149;1445216413;mircea_popescu;well yeah
1302150;1445216427;mircea_popescu;terms used nominally ; no relation to actual contents of jar.
1302151;1445218859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.0005057 = 21.1635 BTC [+] {3} 
1302152;1445219409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00050609 = 10.4508 BTC [+]
1302153;1445224105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33179 @ 0.00050707 = 16.8241 BTC [+] {3} 
1302154;1445225752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00050874 = 2.8998 BTC [+] {3} 
1302155;1445226416;PeterL;I find it interesting Bitbet still has both Bush and Rubio favored as winning the nomination. They can't both win.
1302156;1445226444;mircea_popescu;rubio is very little money tho
1302157;1445226448;mircea_popescu;you gotta consider this also.
1302158;1445226484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.00050924 = 7.5811 BTC [+] {3} 
1302159;1445226490;BingoBoingo;Also quite a ways out from closing
1302160;1445226606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00050936 = 1.7318 BTC [+]
1302161;1445227155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050367 = 7.5551 BTC [-]
1302162;1445227174;deedbot-;[Qntra] Well Connected Bezzle "Health" Startup Theranos Collapsing - http://qntra.net/2015/10/well-connected-bezzle-health-startup-theranos-collapsing/
1302163;1445227259;ben_vulpes;nice, i was waiting for that one
1302164;1445227297;BingoBoingo;I was honestly thinking about a pass on it until I saw how many elder lizards were involved
1302165;1445227333;ben_vulpes;plus, the suicide!
1302166;1445227353;BingoBoingo;There was a suicide?
1302167;1445227653;mircea_popescu;ha.
1302168;1445227811;BingoBoingo;For those who aren't familiar Frist was the "hero" of the US Capital shooting where he saved the shooter, but not the other people who were shot.
1302169;1445227923;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302164 << wake me up when any of the bluebloods become poor from this and start working for a living.
1302170;1445227923;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 04:01:37; BingoBoingo: I was honestly thinking about a pass on it until I saw how many elder lizards were involved
1302171;1445228622;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Aviator - http://trilema.com/2015/the-aviator/
1302172;1445228680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00050936 = 3.6419 BTC [+]
1302173;1445228741;phf;pretty sure ascii will be going "wake me up when they find hitler" as tmsr~ is hoisting the flag on Reichstag
1302174;1445228778;funkenstein_;ascii i've been meaning to ask you, I always thought of england as mordor...  with orthanc in DC...  am I missing something?
1302175;1445228966;mircea_popescu;lol
1302176;1445228977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will prolly enjoy that article btw :D
1302177;1445229402;mircea_popescu;"Over the past 12 years, anesthesiologist Scott Reuben revolutionized the way physicians provide pain relief to patients undergoing orthopedic surgery for everything from torn ligaments to worn-out hips. Now, the profession is in shambles after an investigation revealed that at least 21 of Reuben's papers were pure fiction, and that the pain drugs he touted in them may have slowed postoperative healing."
1302178;1445229408;mircea_popescu;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-medical-madoff-anesthestesiologist-faked-data
1302179;1445229412;assbot;A Medical Madoff: Anesthesiologist Faked Data in 21 Studies - Scientific American ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYDyvG )
1302180;1445229440;mircea_popescu;to go with that nice "we caught one forensic lab tech out of mass faking 1000s of reports out of the 1000s of labs that fake forensic reports" story a year back
1302181;1445229673;PeterL;Clearly the current research funding model is borked, is there a more reasonable approach favored by La Serenisima?
1302182;1445229793;mircea_popescu;how about spend some public money on random items and only allow arbitrarily selected scientist people to touch them, for arbitrary intervals, arbitrarily ?
1302183;1445229797;mircea_popescu;sort-of like soviet science worked.
1302184;1445229847;mircea_popescu;but it is very important to not provide any sort of mechanism for any of this to be sorted out.
1302185;1445229922;mircea_popescu;maybe something like the nielsen ratings. have a minister of science which visits strip clubs, shows the girls pictures of scientists and research facilities and asks them to mix and match.
1302186;1445230037;mircea_popescu;also shoot some of them, now and again, i guess.
1302187;1445230569;mircea_popescu;well, it was an idea anyway.
1302188;1445231399;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/04/how_to_destroy_a_marriage.html << bwhahaha o lordy. ballas wants a honor society at home! of all the things...
1302189;1445231401;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: How To Destroy A Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kj15GA )
1302190;1445231608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.0005101 = 19.5878 BTC [+] {2} 
1302191;1445231913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98500 @ 0.00051012 = 50.2468 BTC [+] {2} 
1302192;1445233255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20077 @ 0.00050665 = 10.172 BTC [-]
1302193;1445235329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34021 @ 0.00050665 = 17.2367 BTC [-] {2} 
1302194;1445237342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34243 @ 0.00051634 = 17.681 BTC [+] {2} 
1302195;1445237464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00052126 = 4.6913 BTC [+]
1302196;1445238314;BingoBoingo;ty
1302197;1445238325;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1302198;1445238340;Duffer1;too much sauce tonight?
1302199;1445238380;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1302200;1445238404;Duffer1;vexs name change spam
1302201;1445238407;mircea_popescu;myeah\
1302202;1445238459;mircea_popescu;i dunno who has this much patience to be pointless yet present. you'd imagine every drunk eventually wanders an apreciable distance away from any arbitrary pole. but whatevs.
1302203;1445238484;Duffer1;is that 24 hours or is that perma?
1302204;1445238545;mircea_popescu;would have been permanent the last time but ppls bitched for reasons i dun fully grasp.
1302205;1445238563;Duffer1;ah didn't realize there was a last time
1302206;1445238575;Duffer1;he's pretty active in PMs, not usually the chan though
1302207;1445238576;mircea_popescu;maybe half year ago ?
1302208;1445238584;mircea_popescu;thankfully not with me.
1302209;1445239016;Duffer1;he's good people you should keep him around
1302210;1445239064;mircea_popescu;yeah ? what's he do ?
1302211;1445239140;Duffer1;in the chan? absolutely no idea
1302212;1445239147;mircea_popescu;so then.
1302213;1445239229;Duffer1;i'm not saying you're wrong, just that I like him around
1302214;1445239360;mircea_popescu;not like you can't message or w/e.
1302215;1445239389;mircea_popescu;neways, im off to bed. cheerios.
1302216;1445239398;Duffer1;later man
1302217;1445243564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00050367 = 9.3179 BTC [-]
1302218;1445245394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24244 @ 0.00050367 = 12.211 BTC [-]
1302219;1445245582;davout;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1ZHC0G7.txt
1302220;1445245583;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0hAyH )
1302221;1445245584;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1302222;1445245604;davout;deedbot-: help
1302223;1445246115;davout;trinque: is "curl http://deedbot.org/deed-379347-1.txt | shasum -a 256" supposed to work to get a single deed's address private key?
1302224;1445246116;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W0fm1H )
1302225;1445247834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00050367 = 1.8132 BTC [-]
1302226;1445249603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5666 @ 0.00050738 = 2.8748 BTC [+]
1302227;1445250160;wyrdmantis;http://eternitywall.it/m/d00ddd53fc754e4b9919df4eccb0b124861f829eeeee65f4556b03aa419543be
1302228;1445250161;assbot;Eternity Wall ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ge6hRk )
1302229;1445251244;shinohai;mornin wyrdmantis , #b-a at large
1302230;1445251282;wyrdmantis;good morning! i'm at school :D
1302231;1445251311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050367 = 5.3893 BTC [-]
1302232;1445251865;shinohai;School? What ya in school for m8?
1302233;1445251919;shinohai;Typical Monday for me, perusing boards to see if anyone needs any horribly-written Spanish articles translated into English.
1302234;1445251939;shinohai;That usually means I say "fuck it" by 1 pm and spend the afternoon drinking wine.
1302235;1445252091;wyrdmantis;yeah, it's not a real, school, it's a course... like a master. Maybe you don't know that i'm in italy... we have courses for everything
1302236;1445252137;shinohai;One of my best friends is from Italy, but he lives in Venezuela now.
1302237;1445252168;wyrdmantis;lucky him :)
1302238;1445252205;wyrdmantis;but your right, school is almost useless
1302239;1445252241;shinohai;:/
1302240;1445252246;wyrdmantis;but parents force you to go...
1302241;1445252296;shinohai;Mine certainly didn't force me to go. My grandparents pushed me more than my parents did.
1302242;1445252448;wyrdmantis;And did you listen to him?
1302243;1445252456;shinohai;If I take classes now, I do the most ridiculous things. Took a sommeliers course last year because I wanted to appreciate wine more.
1302244;1445252481;shinohai;There weren't any "wine appreciation classes" that I could find, but hey sommeliers know wine.
1302245;1445252511;wyrdmantis;that's cool, come in italy if you want to know wine ;)
1302246;1445252541;wyrdmantis;my brother's wife works with prosecco producers
1302247;1445252914;punkman;shinohai: how long was the sommelier course?
1302248;1445252951;shinohai;punkman 3 nights a week over 4 months
1302249;1445253032;shinohai;Now i know exactly when to serve the Night Train and what dishes Mogen David pairs well with.
1302250;1445253119;punkman;shinohai: not bad, did it have the WSET-approved stamp too?
1302251;1445253317;shinohai;I wish, but it was just a local course I think. Restaurants are all over here, so eventually I could probably find one.
1302252;1445253365;shinohai;heh WSET has a online course !!!
1302253;1445253404;punkman;I was making a list of wine-related schools/courses last week, hence the curiosity
1302254;1445253445;punkman;there was a bunch of WSET-approved schools with online courses
1302255;1445253467;punkman;although I don't see how online makes sense
1302256;1445253660;shinohai;Me neither. The experience is a physical one, in that it does require taste, smell, etc.
1302257;1445253718;shinohai;!s http://www.salon.com/2015/10/17/margaret_atwood_on_our_real_life_dystopia_what_really_worries_me_is_creeping_dictatorship/
1302258;1445253720;assbot;Margaret Atwood on our real-life dystopia: “What really worries me is creeping dictatorship” - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1kjmfiR )
1302259;1445253721;assbot;0 results for 'http://www.salon.com/2015/10/17/margaret_atwood_on_our_real_life_dystopia_what_really_worries_me_is_creeping_dictatorship/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.salon.com%2F2015%2F10%2F17%2Fmargaret_atwood_on_our_real_life_dystopia_what_really_worries_me_is_creeping_dictatorship%2F
1302260;1445254666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00050367 = 5.3893 BTC [-]
1302261;1445254910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00050367 = 7.3788 BTC [-]
1302262;1445259424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91500 @ 0.00050701 = 46.3914 BTC [+] {2} 
1302263;1445260095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27306 @ 0.00050318 = 13.7398 BTC [-] {3} 
1302264;1445260156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52794 @ 0.00050079 = 26.4387 BTC [-] {5} 
1302265;1445264487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00050496 = 4.5467 BTC [+]
1302266;1445266545;mircea_popescu;<shinohai> punkman 3 nights a week over 4 months << sounds like a great way to meet coughars huh.
1302267;1445266582;mircea_popescu;<punkman> although I don't see how online makes sense << i expect they expect you to amazon the bottles.
1302268;1445266608;mircea_popescu;<assbot> Margaret Atwood on our real-life dystopia: �What really worries me is creeping dictatorship� << fuck her with a pineapple-shaped broomstick.
1302269;1445266616;mircea_popescu;you'll get dictatorship AND YOU WILL LOVE IT.
1302270;1445266633;mircea_popescu;the only thing at your option is to pick dictators. act now, bleed less later.
1302271;1445268025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00050539 = 12.5337 BTC [+] {3} 
1302272;1445268564;trinque;davout | trinque: is "curl http://deedbot.org/deed-379347-1.txt | shasum -a 256" supposed to work to get a single deed's address private key? << yep that should work. in checking over the addresses, it looks like someone has already snagged some of the dust to verify
1302273;1445268565;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W0fm1H )
1302274;1445268656;mircea_popescu;cool huh.
1302275;1445268703;davout;trinque: i get ba2345aaae3ba157d8eac8140f5a7af61ffbf2dcf153f788b10d52e52720d209 for this particular one
1302276;1445268829;davout;and if i use some random tool to convert that to a bitcoin address i get 1E49paWydo9FcnYrBHTDDjfvkWC9h8QsWX
1302277;1445268865;davout;i'm interested in mirroring the whole deedbot repo
1302278;1445268946;davout;so i tried to manually verify a random one
1302279;1445268979;wyrdmantis;noob question: how deedbot talk with blockchain? who send the transaction?
1302280;1445269015;davout;so i find 1E49paWydo9FcnYrBHTDDjfvkWC9h8QsWX on both bitaddress.org and locally, am i hashing it correctly? because according to deedbot it should be 1PNuo5NYHJdmwwPYnBhABW7oie9Y2yKsa9
1302281;1445269051;davout;treating the hash as compressed private key yields another address but still not the one i was expecting
1302282;1445269080;punkman;davout: sha256 of bundle is the secret exponent
1302283;1445269157;davout;punkman: do you manage to independently verify the bundle of the #379347 block?
1302284;1445269205;davout;bbl
1302285;1445269250;trinque;I'll get to this in just a bit
1302286;1445269271;trinque;davout: here's some python source that works
1302287;1445269303;trinque;davout: http://dpaste.com/0XDCSN0
1302288;1445269304;assbot;dpaste: 0XDCSN0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kk6r4f )
1302289;1445269331;trinque;curl deedurl | python get_addr.py  # will yield what's on deedbot.org
1302290;1445269826;jurov;sigh..kakobrekla seems b-a wiki banned me again
1302291;1445269839;jurov;(just wanted to add above)
1302292;1445269906;punkman;davout, curl -s http://deedbot.org/bundle-379497.txt | sha256sum -> 2cdc25c99e4d408b359a4bc168911ad5b51a1a885b09e63c7e951499b29d59b5 which indeed gives me the correct address 18dsNRqPSDeALgGLHxv7Fj4RWWKMHBtHzX
1302293;1445269907;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kk7DVm )
1302294;1445270072;davout;punkman: what about the one i mentioned, specifically
1302295;1445270081;davout;trinque: dun werk
1302296;1445270116;kakobrekla;jurov try now
1302297;1445270134;punkman;davout: you need the whole bundle, can't verify individual deeds
1302298;1445270135;davout;trinque: curl http://deedbot.org/deed-379347-1.txt | python toto.py >>> 1E49paWydo9FcnYrBHTDDjfvkWC9h8QsWX
1302299;1445270136;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W0fm1H )
1302300;1445270152;davout;there's only one deed in that bundle
1302301;1445270160;davout;am i missing something obvious here ?
1302302;1445270186;punkman;yes, there are 2 deeds in that one
1302303;1445270219;davout;in block #379347 ?
1302304;1445270241;punkman;mhmm
1302305;1445270300;davout;that's what i thought :D
1302306;1445270324;jurov;kakobrekla: ty, i hope you relaxed it a bit
1302307;1445270378;kakobrekla;jurov i added your ip to 'pls not to ban these folks' list
1302308;1445270382;jurov;trinque there's supposedly a faq for deedbot, where?
1302309;1445270394;davout;jurov: http://deedbot.org/faq.html
1302310;1445270395;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQugZm )
1302311;1445270456;trinque;davout: that is a url for a particular deed
1302312;1445270461;trinque;the bundle is to the left
1302313;1445270465;davout;trinque: i tried with that too
1302314;1445270498;davout;srsly, just try it
1302315;1445270503;trinque;so one's broken?
1302316;1445270517;punkman;davout: maybe you are generating compressed pubkeys
1302317;1445270547;trinque;curl http://deedbot.org/bundle-379497.txt | python verify.py
1302318;1445270548;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kk7DVm )
1302319;1445270551;trinque;18dsNRqPSDeALgGLHxv7Fj4RWWKMHBtHzX
1302320;1445270553;davout;punkman: i looked at both, and trinque's script is also reporting a different address than the one i see on the deedbot page
1302321;1445270556;trinque;is not
1302322;1445270568;trinque;ah wrong one derp.
1302323;1445270599;trinque;no that one works for me
1302324;1445270604;trinque;davout: you are using the python I provided?
1302325;1445270622;davout;trinque: i am
1302326;1445270626;davout;$ curl -s http://deedbot.org/deed-379347.txt | python verify.py
1302327;1445270627;assbot;404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQv0gY )
1302328;1445270633;davout;>>> 177pJRcS7ZScLPaPB9FfDWotEQddhPkvc9
1302329;1445270639;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.86631506 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b40
1302330;1445270640;davout;ah hang on
1302331;1445270645;trinque;curl http://deedbot.org/bundle-379347.txt | python verify.py
1302332;1445270646;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQv2Fy )
1302333;1445270650;trinque;1PNuo5NYHJdmwwPYnBhABW7oie9Y2yKsa9
1302334;1445270669;davout;aah, it works now
1302335;1445270679;trinque;side note of yey people are trying to verify the thing, which is very important.
1302336;1445270685;trinque;davout: what was the issue?
1302337;1445270713;davout;i was hashing "404 page not found" basically
1302338;1445270719;trinque;heh
1302339;1445270745;davout;i assumed without thinking that removing the "-1" at the end of the deed URL would yield the bundle
1302340;1445270761;trinque;oh I overlooked that entirely as well
1302341;1445270766;davout;and the 404 wasn't obvious using curl
1302342;1445270944;jurov;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/deedbot updated, pls check
1302343;1445270945;assbot;irc_bots:deedbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQw0l8 )
1302344;1445271026;kakobrekla;(if you are not banned)
1302345;1445271052;jurov;kek
1302346;1445271237;pete_dushenski;jurov: please to distribute s.mpoe dividends :)
1302347;1445271259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049976 = 14.1682 BTC [-] {5} 
1302348;1445271340;pete_dushenski;lulz of the day : 'hanson brothers' are still touring.
1302349;1445271418;trinque;jurov: looks good
1302350;1445271485;mircea_popescu;sweet deedbot stuff
1302351;1445271506;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE << hanson's greatest hit.
1302352;1445271507;assbot;Hanson - MMMBop - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQxHit )
1302353;1445271525;mircea_popescu;i bet you they get a better crowd than gavin ever did
1302354;1445271600;pete_dushenski;usgavin wouldn't suffer any from hosting fillies in mehico for a private concert, meet + greet (+bang) like these kids
1302355;1445271889;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
1302356;1445271890;assbot;Homan Square revealed: how Chicago police 'disappeared' 7,000 people | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkoThR )
1302357;1445271894;pete_dushenski;"Police took a substantial amount of marijuana and what Jose said was about $10,000 in cash. The arrest report listed the cash at $4,670. Jose said he never got his money back."
1302358;1445271933;pete_dushenski;"Often,” Futterman continued, “prisoners aren’t entered into the central booking system until they’re being processed – which doesn’t occur at Homan Square. They’re supposed to begin that processing right away, under CPD procedures, and at Homan Square the reality is, that isn’t happening or is happening sporadically and inconsistently, which leads to the whole find-your-client game.”"
1302359;1445271951;deedbot-;[Trilema] Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven - http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/
1302360;1445272348;pete_dushenski;!up GoMaD
1302361;1445272518;mircea_popescu;the question is, why don't the prisoners kill some cops ?
1302362;1445272540;mircea_popescu;you're held at a secret location ? great, kill some guys. what are they gonna do now, expect the rules they were off to protect them ?
1302363;1445272544;mircea_popescu;"it never happened, dude"
1302364;1445272608;mircea_popescu;"the rules" are there to protect the fucking cops, wtf.
1302365;1445272672;mike_c;omg, trilema footnotes now have footnotes, in *even smaller* font.
1302366;1445272703;mircea_popescu;win huh ?
1302367;1445272705;mike_c;this will continue until footnotes become the size of 1 atom, and then the black hole sucks earth
1302368;1445272716;mircea_popescu;i apologize.
1302369;1445272727;mike_c;:)  you're as old as me, how the hell do you read these things?
1302370;1445272768;mircea_popescu;lol. chuka no reader
1302371;1445272770;mircea_popescu;chuka writer.
1302372;1445272867;mike_c;did romanian girls used to fill out all those stupid personality quizes too?  and you know what a texas dip is.  sometimes I think you gain knowlege by some odd vampiric process.
1302373;1445272878;mircea_popescu;lol
1302374;1445272882;mircea_popescu;OFCOURSE i know
1302375;1445272920;mircea_popescu;and you are exactly right : when i get a new girl in my clutches for the first week or two i suck her brain out through her earlobes.
1302376;1445272925;mike_c;hehe
1302377;1445272962;mircea_popescu;rizi tu rizi, harap alb, da' nu-i risul tau.
1302378;1445273161;thestringpuller;Oooh. Qntra had a birthday recently.
1302379;1445273213;jurov;pete_dushenski: on it, hit another glitch
1302380;1445273228;pete_dushenski;cheers !
1302381;1445273257;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: one chapter closed, and another opened.
1302382;1445273613;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1302383;1445273722;ascii_field;http://nypost.com/2015/10/18/stoner-high-school-student-says-he-hacked-the-cia
1302384;1445273724;assbot;Teen stoner says he hacked CIA director’s AOL account | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xfk4Ll )
1302385;1445273746;mircea_popescu;lol
1302386;1445273749;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1302387;1445273787;mircea_popescu;aol ? srsly ?
1302388;1445273808;mircea_popescu;this is what we got for the fucking september. CIA "directors".
1302389;1445273814;mircea_popescu;how do you like the web now, bitches.
1302390;1445273827;ascii_field;so far no proof, snore.
1302391;1445274027;pete_dushenski;https://archive.is/1hrUP >> "When it comes to cash, Mr. Schneider said, “Clients have been put on warning."
1302392;1445274028;assbot;Big Banks to America’s Firms: We Don’t Want Your Cash - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfkPnD )
1302393;1445274047;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/AdventuresinCensorship.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/28YMQRP.txt << lulzy
1302394;1445274054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfkWzB )
1302395;1445274058;pete_dushenski;same at retail level. local bank : "oh we only carry $2`500 cash so that's your max withdrawal per day"
1302396;1445274088;pete_dushenski;also, atm reduced from $1k max per day to motherfucking "suggested max" of $800.
1302397;1445274153;pete_dushenski;dear fiatists : start stocking up cash now. not later. now.
1302398;1445274208;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the problem with cash is that if the sovereign withdraws support you're left with pretty paper
1302399;1445274218;mircea_popescu;and it would seem the usg is going towards withdrawing support.
1302400;1445274244;mircea_popescu;you can't actually pay your taxes in cash. so cash is not actually legal tender. so why bother ?
1302401;1445274248;mircea_popescu;store tide.
1302402;1445274259;ascii_field;' The tweet had disappeared from view from US, in Appelbaum's feed. From these posts,
1302403;1445274259;ascii_field;and my own work, it appears the issue was not limited to only one ISP (it affected both CenturyLink
1302404;1445274259;ascii_field;and Verizon), to one browser (Firefox, Chrome, IE and Opera were tried), one operating system (it
1302405;1445274259;ascii_field;affected both Windows and Android), or one login (at least 3 different users affected, I was also
1302406;1445274259;ascii_field;unaffected whilst logged in, but still using tor). It was also not a case of tor vs non-tor (US tor exits
1302407;1445274261;ascii_field;affected, as were my regular home IP addresses). Apparent location of the user's IP address seemed to
1302408;1445274264;ascii_field;be the main factor. Germans could see it the post, Americans couldn't.'
1302409;1445274308;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sure you can pay taxes in cash, no ? show up to bank teller with cash and 'pay bill' assuming you have account there
1302410;1445274313;mircea_popescu;mno.
1302411;1445274324;mircea_popescu;this is not what "pay" means.
1302412;1445274325;ascii_field;not in usa
1302413;1445274353;*;pete_dushenski has not tried this.
1302414;1445274361;kakobrekla;i imagine you can deposit and pay
1302415;1445274426;mircea_popescu;but that's not paying.
1302416;1445274444;mircea_popescu;no, irs has cash payment office, you go there and give them cash. that's "cash is accepted as tax payment".
1302417;1445274487;ascii_field;so ~that~ must be where all the poor idiots with suitcases of benjies were going
1302418;1445274498;mircea_popescu;like you know, when i buy a pair of shoes in cash, i go into the shoe shop, fish out some bills.
1302419;1445274499;ascii_field;before being picked up by robb^H^H^H^Hpolicew
1302420;1445274545;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: but tax collector doesn't have own branch office
1302421;1445274546;mircea_popescu;as it is right now, cash and tide are equally money (ie, not accepted as tax payment), but one's useful and the other's paper.
1302422;1445274553;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so ?
1302423;1445274567;mircea_popescu;it's really very simple : either item X can be used to pay taxes or it can not.
1302424;1445274579;pete_dushenski;so what, i fly to ottawa and drop off suitcase of bills ?
1302425;1445274586;mircea_popescu;can you ?
1302426;1445274598;pete_dushenski;good question...
1302427;1445274621;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "i could read the code but i'm lazy" and "you can't read the code" also.
1302428;1445274697;mircea_popescu;and no, "nobody bothers anyway" is not a reason.
1302429;1445274709;kakobrekla;sounds more like a lottery thing - no office but you can buy a ticket at any gas station
1302430;1445274719;mircea_popescu;for cash. can you ?
1302431;1445274727;mircea_popescu;go to gas station, pay your taxes ?
1302432;1445274742;kakobrekla;bank instead gas station this time
1302433;1445274745;mircea_popescu;not so.
1302434;1445274760;kakobrekla;can you get lottery ticket with tide at the gas station?
1302435;1445274777;mircea_popescu;technically yes, if you are returning the tide.
1302436;1445274785;kakobrekla;maybe you can. i cant.
1302437;1445274805;*;mircea_popescu has bought utp cable with nat router here.
1302438;1445274817;kakobrekla;must ba a long one.
1302439;1445274832;mircea_popescu;50m + 60 terminators.
1302440;1445274846;kakobrekla;howd you get the nat router?
1302441;1445274851;kakobrekla;goats?
1302442;1445274862;mircea_popescu;i bought it first. then it didn't work, so i returned it. lol.
1302443;1445274870;kakobrekla;lol
1302444;1445274873;mircea_popescu;hehe
1302445;1445274882;mircea_popescu;guy actually offered cash back, too.
1302446;1445274893;mircea_popescu;and didn't even ask for the receipt. which is good, as he hadn't given me one.
1302447;1445274942;mircea_popescu;20yo chicks mostly go to the gym to take sweatpants selfies for facebook, don't they.
1302448;1445275229;ascii_field;in other lulz,
1302449;1445275230;ascii_field;https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-regulators-to-require-registration-of-recreational-drones/2015/10/19/434961be-7664-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html
1302450;1445275231;assbot;Federal regulators to require registration of recreational drones - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxlcMf )
1302451;1445275270;thestringpuller;^^^ dafuq?!?
1302452;1445275277;mircea_popescu;and master key ?
1302453;1445275303;mircea_popescu;"oh, btw, derp in government wants a special pass for burning man!!"
1302454;1445275332;ascii_field;naturally master key
1302455;1445275334;ascii_field;as in cn.
1302456;1445275345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21144 @ 0.00050206 = 10.6156 BTC [+]
1302457;1445275448;mircea_popescu;nothing naturally about it.
1302458;1445275521;mircea_popescu;anyway, that homan square thing sounds like an amateur-run ransom operation.
1302459;1445275548;mircea_popescu;the serbs did a lot better during the war. do muricans suck at EVERYTHING they do ? or just the things that one can hear about ?
1302460;1445275555;mircea_popescu;i guess they must be great daydreamers, huh.
1302461;1445275622;mircea_popescu;http://familyshare.com/the-art-of-dry-snitching heh
1302462;1445275623;assbot;The art of dry snitching ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfoFNO )
1302463;1445275949;pete_dushenski;lol. crafty.
1302464;1445275951;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1302465;1445276044;pete_dushenski;" Al, I didn’t know Betty had any relatives in town. I saw her with what must have been her nephew down at the bar. They look like they have a very close relationship."
1302466;1445276069;mircea_popescu;it's so putridly midwestern tho.
1302467;1445276109;punkman;passive-aggresive snitching might have been a better name for it
1302468;1445276129;mircea_popescu;well, teens and ghetto niggers. whadda ya want. this passes for crafty.
1302469;1445276157;punkman;is there  a single good example of the accidental-snitch in there?
1302470;1445276186;mircea_popescu;nope.
1302471;1445276235;mircea_popescu;imo the best common one is, husband keeps insistinting to take wife to strip club, she eventually relents, dumbass takes her to familiar ground, woman notices.
1302472;1445276247;mircea_popescu;you know the hungarian parrot joke ?
1302473;1445276495;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302361 << for all we know, they caught a houdini who pulled a wakizashi out of his arse and did kill a cop..
1302474;1445276495;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 16:35:18; mircea_popescu: the question is, why don't the prisoners kill some cops ?
1302475;1445276532;ascii_field;(mega-seekrit: most prisoners are not houdini)
1302476;1445276608;mircea_popescu;are we talking of the same obese cops ? the same sloppy idiots who can't get their own paper work in order 50% of the time so pretty much everything that goes to a judge gets thrown out ?
1302477;1445276622;mircea_popescu;what houdini yo. it's a job for a sixteen year old./
1302478;1445276707;ascii_field;unrelated, https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-October/010118.html
1302479;1445276708;assbot;FOIPA adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfrCxK )
1302480;1445276834;mircea_popescu;https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-October/010065.html better link
1302481;1445276835;assbot;FOIPA adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1jxmXc9 )
1302482;1445276931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27326 @ 0.0004958 = 13.5482 BTC [-] {3} 
1302483;1445276961;mircea_popescu;coderman is pressuring the right spots, but with so far dismal results.
1302484;1445276988;mircea_popescu;MOSTLY because the derps don't know what they should be "upvoting". obviously the guardian's not gonna be talking about this.
1302485;1445277002;mircea_popescu;unless to do one of their bullshit burial pieces, of course.
1302486;1445277014;ascii_field;which 'this' ?
1302487;1445277027;mircea_popescu;the correct reaction to nsa is to foia the shit out of it.
1302488;1445277042;mircea_popescu;for as long as it's not receiving in excess of 1 bn requests a year, the populace's failing at its chosen game
1302489;1445277062;ascii_field;foia is a palliative circus which exists at usg's pleasure.
1302490;1445277069;mircea_popescu;which is WHY i say "kill the cop". you wanna be all civilised and shit, better than a 16 yo ghetto rat, then you foia the shit out of the nsa, to the point of driving it out of existence.
1302491;1445277071;ascii_field;if it becomes -ev it will go away.
1302492;1445277073;mircea_popescu;if not, you kill the cops.
1302493;1445277084;mircea_popescu;in neither case do you go on the alf pipe "mechanisms don't exist".
1302494;1445277093;mircea_popescu;so let it go away.
1302495;1445277102;mircea_popescu;wars are won by damage not by dreaming.
1302496;1445277120;mircea_popescu;NOTHING exists at usg's pleasure. not one thing.
1302497;1445277127;mircea_popescu;time to get that in skull. firmly embedded.
1302498;1445277134;mircea_popescu;at the very least 2x as firmly embedded as the current nail.
1302499;1445277146;ascii_field;let's ask chaka zulu about 'wars are won by damage!'
1302500;1445277156;mircea_popescu;let's not ask anything and do.
1302501;1445277862;mircea_popescu;"Since it is unlikely we will be able to provide a complete response
1302502;1445277862;mircea_popescu;within the 20 working days stipulated by the Act, you have the right to
1302503;1445277862;mircea_popescu;consider this a denial and may appeal on this basis to the NRO Appeal Review
1302504;1445277862;mircea_popescu;Panel, 14675 Lee Road, Chantilly, VA 20151-1715 after the initial 20 working
1302505;1445277862;mircea_popescu;day period has elapsed. It would seem more reasonable, however, to allow us
1302506;1445277863;mircea_popescu;sufficient time to continue processing your request and respond as soon as
1302507;1445277865;mircea_popescu;we can. Unless we hear from you otherwise, we will assume that you agree
1302508;1445277867;mircea_popescu;and will continue processing your FOIA request on this basis. You will have
1302509;1445277869;mircea_popescu;the right to appeal any denial of records after you receive a final response
1302510;1445277871;mircea_popescu;to your request."
1302511;1445277873;mircea_popescu;heh.
1302512;1445277925;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1302513;1445277929;mircea_popescu;" Based upon the information provided, you have been placed in the "other" category of requesters, which means you are responsible for the cost of search time exceeding two hours ($44.00/hour) and reproduction fees ($.15 per page) exceeding 100 pages. We will notify you if it appears that we will meet or exceed our $25.00 minimum billing threshold in processing your request." <<<  where's the "blockchain technologee"
1302514;1445277929;mircea_popescu;to exploit that ?
1302515;1445277962;shinohai;Maybe Ethereum has a solution.
1302516;1445278102;mircea_popescu;yeah smart foia contracts ftw
1302517;1445278113;pete_dushenski;from canada revenue agency website : "Do not mail us cash or include it with your return."
1302518;1445278132;pete_dushenski;says nothing about "don't fly to our nearest office and drop off suitcase"
1302519;1445278155;shinohai;Mail them the fee all in Canadian pennies pete_dushenski
1302520;1445278177;pete_dushenski;obsoleted currency ftw
1302521;1445278203;ascii_field;pay in reichsmarks.
1302522;1445278230;pete_dushenski;"A payment in foreign funds will be accepted. However, the exchange rate for converting the payment to Canadian dollars is determined by the financial institution at the time it processes your payment." <<
1302523;1445278251;mircea_popescu;http://pigolica.tumblr.com/ << guy has a whole tumblr dedicated to anime he ~comissioned~
1302524;1445278252;assbot;My anime spanking commissions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xfwy5L )
1302525;1445278281;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski that settles it : only "financial institution" dollars accepted, aka e-dollars. your cash is worthless.
1302526;1445278330;shinohai;Wow, I should have never moved out of Mom's house then I could afford to commission a buttload of spanking art.
1302527;1445278333;ascii_field;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/14/wilson_doctrine_gchq_can_will_spy_politicos << lulzy re: brit
1302528;1445278333;assbot;GCHQ can and will spy on politicos, rules tribunal • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1XfwMtH )
1302529;1445278384;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: looks like it eh
1302530;1445278402;ascii_field;in other lulz,
1302531;1445278404;ascii_field;'A perfect example of the perils faced by researchers was provided in a separate talk at Virus Bulletin by Costin Raiu, director of Kaspersky Lab’s Global Research and Analysis Team. Raiu revealed that when he was involved in the analysis of Stuxnet a few years ago, someone broke into his house and left a rubber cube with the message “take a break” written on it.'
1302532;1445278411;ascii_field;( http://www.securityweek.com/long-term-strategy-needed-when-analyzing-apts-researcher )
1302533;1445278413;assbot;Long-Term Strategy Needed When Analyzing APTs: Researcher | SecurityWeek.Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xfx5oo )
1302534;1445278538;mircea_popescu;is this entire "apt" thing the hangout repackaging of raiu's earlier psychosis ?
1302535;1445278580;mircea_popescu;(and no, the "apts don't exist" "apts exist" debate is not meaningful. some things exist, unrelatedly to the brand and independent of it. the brand however exists for the reason brands exist.)
1302536;1445278582;ascii_field;nah, it's a seek000rity-industry catchword
1302537;1445278608;mircea_popescu;yeah but recently it found a lot of mass market currency
1302538;1445278620;ascii_field;ever since the original stuxnet paper.
1302539;1445278629;mircea_popescu;hm.
1302540;1445278686;ascii_field;originally had a meaning: shops with $maxint funding and complete vertical integration for virii production (pipeline of 0day mining, proof of concept, weaponization, deployment) etc.
1302541;1445278702;mircea_popescu;not what it means now.
1302542;1445278725;mircea_popescu;now it means "magical undefeatable foreign body - like that thing ruiu had that nobody else could find".
1302543;1445278758;mircea_popescu;and it matches exactly the psychological profile of webtards / "dudes too dumb to sling dope". "oh, there's nothing we could have done anyway, best go back to starbux"\
1302544;1445278797;mircea_popescu;"everybody knows that everything exists at the pleasure of usg hurr durr" sorta thing.
1302545;1445279760;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1302546;1445279892;pete_dushenski;"If your device is more than five years old, your system may need an upgrade. Over the next two years, the computing industry will eliminate certain security protocols that are more than 10 years old. The Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) regularly updates its secure online services to ensure they feature the highest security standard, which is Transport Layer Security (TLS) 1.2." << hah
1302547;1445279970;pete_dushenski;just flitted through the canadian tax code, nothing in there about receiver general not accepting cash, nor anything on cra website about 'we don't ACCEPT cash' just 'don't send cash, send cheque'
1302548;1445280019;pete_dushenski;ima talk to my accountant and see. if he sees no reason to object, ima self-experiment
1302549;1445280048;mircea_popescu;should yield a blog article at least.
1302550;1445280056;mircea_popescu;heck, maybe you become more famous than nubbins
1302551;1445280090;pete_dushenski;quite so. like my current attempts to have 'madcatz' cough up checksums/signatures for their software.
1302552;1445280106;pete_dushenski;so far : "we answer almost all tickets in 1 day" and it's been 4...
1302553;1445280194;pete_dushenski;o ya, i think it's federal election day today
1302554;1445280275;mircea_popescu;!up Xplosionist
1302555;1445280286;Xplosionist;Thank you.
1302556;1445280298;Xplosionist;I have a question about a bitbet funding issue.
1302557;1445280325;Xplosionist;I proposed a bet last week, but I think my funding of the bet was delayed too long, and the bet proposal was eventually rejected.
1302558;1445280336;Xplosionist;But, AFAICT, I'm still out the 0.5 BTC I sent.
1302559;1445280383;shinohai;https://archive.is/7dX46   <<< "The Sheeple and Bitcoin" LULZ
1302560;1445280386;assbot;The Sheeple & Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2oQ1H )
1302561;1445280437;pete_dushenski;https://33.media.tumblr.com/dd0deb35248fa32d2cfa0b4607d613ab/tumblr_nwfi57WdD41r5zq6ao1_400.gif
1302562;1445280438;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2oRmn )
1302563;1445280462;Xplosionist;Could anyone help?
1302564;1445280480;mircea_popescu;anything concrete ? a link ? something ?
1302565;1445280494;mircea_popescu;"too long", what's that.
1302566;1445280505;mircea_popescu;why not "i sent so and so on this date included in this block here's the txn and etc
1302567;1445280547;Xplosionist;Apologies, making the best.  The proposal was the Bernie Sanders 2016.
1302568;1445280577;Xplosionist;Transaction that attempt to fund it was 3c0682f82f9cb446adc53d585e0a986bdfac3aa9325c6b4544413ba82057ddaf which appears to have been successful
1302569;1445280627;Xplosionist;(blockchain.info link upcoming, darned internet slowness)
1302570;1445280650;Xplosionist;https://blockchain.info/tx/3c0682f82f9cb446adc53d585e0a986bdfac3aa9325c6b4544413ba82057ddaf
1302571;1445280651;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 3c0682f82f9cb446adc53d585e0a986bdfac3aa9325c6b4544413ba82057ddaf ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2p3ly )
1302572;1445280683;kakobrekla;twas rejected before deposit confirmed
1302573;1445280707;mircea_popescu;oh.
1302574;1445280708;Xplosionist;K.  Thanks.  I saw a "conflicted" report in my client, but wasn't 100% sure that meant what I hoped it did.
1302575;1445280724;Xplosionist;Where do you see that on the blockchain.info page, for my education?
1302576;1445280744;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is this a whole new case ?
1302577;1445280771;Xplosionist;@kakobrekla, oh you mean the bet was rejected.  Right.  That I'd guessed.
1302578;1445280794;Xplosionist;And, the other comment was about it being somewhat the opposite side of an existing bet.
1302579;1445280815;Xplosionist;So, happy to not have the proposet bet exist now, I want to find out where my 0.5 BTC is.
1302580;1445280826;kakobrekla;https://bitbet.us/propositions/ < 0conf says 0, but if you click on the 0, you get your .5
1302581;1445280827;assbot;BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1hO3SRd )
1302582;1445280868;mircea_popescu;o.O
1302583;1445280869;mircea_popescu;spiffy.
1302584;1445280879;mircea_popescu;it works even when it fails!
1302585;1445280883;Xplosionist;lol.
1302586;1445280892;kakobrekla;in short: mods came to the proposal before the 0conf did
1302587;1445280902;kakobrekla;mods work too fast.
1302588;1445280981;Xplosionist;What is "the 0conf" ?
1302589;1445280984;Xplosionist;(FMI)
1302590;1445281002;kakobrekla;the 0 stands for 0 and the conf stands for confirmations
1302591;1445281008;mircea_popescu;when you propose a bet, you can put some money on it to get it started
1302592;1445281011;mircea_popescu;aka 0 conf
1302593;1445281035;kakobrekla;Xplosionist you will get refunded .5 shortly.
1302594;1445281046;Xplosionist;Right.  I attempted to do that, but it was delayed too long.
1302595;1445281054;mircea_popescu;but in general : pay a reasonable fee, this "slow tx" thing is bad business.
1302596;1445281058;kakobrekla;did ya send from buttstamp or what?
1302597;1445281088;Xplosionist;No, I sent from my bitcoin core client, but it wasn't caught up, and it didn't realize it would take that long to send it out.
1302598;1445281100;mircea_popescu;how long was that long ?
1302599;1445281112;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz https://33.media.tumblr.com/8d51afcfe089103208ccb84b19fdf91e/tumblr_mu36uyB17K1swo0q8o1_400.gif
1302600;1445281113;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hO4JS2 )
1302601;1445281116;Xplosionist;I don't honestly know.  Hours, to be sure, but less than a day.
1302602;1445281134;mircea_popescu;mods work too fast.
1302603;1445281137;kakobrekla;i dont think the fees matter (yet). 0conf takes zero conf txes, meaning it just has to propagate, not be included in bc
1302604;1445281153;mircea_popescu;a true. yet.
1302605;1445281160;kakobrekla;so far bs txes seem to propagate just fine.
1302606;1445281164;Xplosionist;my client says 10/13/15 12:50, and I think that's 00:00-4.
1302607;1445281182;Xplosionist;the transaction looks like 07:31 (UTC?)
1302608;1445281268;Xplosionist;Right.  And, I'd expected my client to send it right away, just not to know about it's confirmation until it caught up.
1302609;1445281281;Xplosionist;But, maybe the bitcoin core client doesn't work the way I thought it did.
1302610;1445281297;Xplosionist;Oh, wait, you can't actually _send_ a transaction without being in-sync, can you?
1302611;1445281305;mircea_popescu;yes you can
1302612;1445281321;Xplosionist;Oh.  Well, then to what i said before. I expected it would work.
1302613;1445281331;shinohai;Don't even need core client to sign a tx and push it.
1302614;1445281365;Xplosionist;shinohai: yeah, but core client is what I had/have, and what I typically use.  Just habit.
1302615;1445281413;shinohai;I don't have a "latest" copy of it. 0.11.0 crashed on me several times, not that I needed it anyway.
1302616;1445281449;Xplosionist;i have 0.11.0, it's working okay for me on multiple macs.  haven't tried it on other OSes.
1302617;1445281469;kakobrekla;Xplosionist https://blockchain.info/tx/35a2f37919bd44652ecf748c523ae6b1d300bec2a8c5962190710fed9dc23987
1302618;1445281469;assbot;Bitcoin Transaction 35a2f37919bd44652ecf748c523ae6b1d300bec2a8c5962190710fed9dc23987 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hO5A5g )
1302619;1445281513;Xplosionist;thx, yeah, i see it in my core client to.  It's in sync atm.  :-)
1302620;1445281526;kakobrekla;k
1302621;1445281537;Xplosionist;thanks much all.  And, for better and worse, I'll make sure my client is in sync before trying to propose a bet in the future.
1302622;1445281567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00049271 = 5.5184 BTC [-] {3} 
1302623;1445281928;diametric;'afternoon Xplosionist
1302624;1445281939;jurov;!up SlipperyKitty
1302625;1445281979;mircea_popescu;is slippery good ?
1302626;1445282030;SlipperyKitty;of course
1302627;1445282034;kakobrekla;<Xplosionist> Oh, wait, you can't actually _send_ a transaction without being in-sync, can you? < not sure if those are actually being broadcast before it syncs
1302628;1445282101;kakobrekla;i have some vague memory telling me this was the case at some point
1302629;1445282106;diametric;!up ascii_field
1302630;1445282166;asciilifeform;!up Xplosionist
1302631;1445282186;Xplosionist;heh.  thx.  afternoon, diametric.  howdy asciilifeform
1302632;1445282188;ascii_field;hi Xplosionist
1302633;1445282193;diametric;oh I didn't realize he wasn't voiced when I said hello.
1302634;1445282200;diametric;would explain why he didn't reply hehe
1302635;1445282208;Xplosionist;i was when you _said_ hello.  just not when I tried to reply.
1302636;1445282229;kakobrekla;so much overhead.
1302637;1445282232;ascii_field;how's life in your corner of the world, Xplosionist ?
1302638;1445282234;Xplosionist;(and was away from desk too)
1302639;1445282240;Xplosionist;Oh, v busy, but okay.
1302640;1445282276;Xplosionist;was meaning to ping diametric about stuff today anyway.  been a long time since we've chatted.
1302641;1445282331;ascii_field;Xplosionist: your luck day then! there he is.
1302642;1445282357;diametric;so new cardano bet. i'm tempted
1302643;1445282485;mircea_popescu;!up analmaster
1302644;1445282496;ascii_field;analmaster !
1302645;1445282505;mircea_popescu;is that a good thing ?
1302646;1445282506;assbot; hey babe
1302647;1445282512;analmaster;good day gentlemen
1302648;1445282534;ascii_field;analmaster is sitting in the room with me l0l
1302649;1445282577;mircea_popescu;no wonder you're breathing heavy eh :D
1302650;1445282578;analmaster;tis true, im a slave.
1302651;1445282585;diametric;oh look its analmaster
1302652;1445282618;diametric;is he here to share tips and techniques?
1302653;1445282626;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/parenting/
1302654;1445282627;assbot;Parenting ... ( http://bit.ly/1hO8V4b )
1302655;1445282632;analmaster;well how does the saying go
1302656;1445282633;analmaster;no means yes
1302657;1445282635;analmaster;yes means anal?
1302658;1445282636;mircea_popescu;http://33.media.tumblr.com/626d2da59425bc3b92224e04f8f25fe4/tumblr_nr1tdv4coM1rnnw2ro1_400.gif
1302659;1445282637;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hO8VB9 )
1302660;1445282916;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302420 << Then what did Joe Stack?
1302661;1445282916;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 17:09:05; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but tax collector doesn't have own branch office
1302662;1445282932;analmaster;pete douchestski
1302663;1445282936;mircea_popescu;he's in canada. their housing doesn't have its own housing there
1302664;1445282939;mircea_popescu;it's all with dogs.
1302665;1445282985;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302431 << When I was in Missouri I could have made tax payments at the liquor store down the street. Didn't do that, but could have.
1302666;1445282985;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 17:12:07; mircea_popescu: go to gas station, pay your taxes ?
1302667;1445283027;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: there are shithole shops everywhere that will cut a cheque to arbitrary address for 110% in benjies
1302668;1445283036;ascii_field;this is != 'can pay tax in cash'.
1302669;1445283096;BingoBoingo;Still beats the hell out of Western Union. Liquor store had all sorts of cash services, run by a few cool Persian fellows.
1302670;1445283127;mircea_popescu;yeah but...
1302671;1445283163;BingoBoingo;Prolly could have sent money internationally from there.
1302672;1445283189;BingoBoingo;Like Bitcoin, but without a blockchain to keep everyone honest.
1302673;1445283560;BingoBoingo;Also Chicago's Hoffman Square prison camp old News.
1302674;1445283576;ascii_field;iirc this was 'news' 6 mo. ago.
1302675;1445283614;BingoBoingo;Right, Guardian just let it get forgot, presenting again as "fresh"
1302676;1445284014;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1302677;1445284020;BingoBoingo;!up Xplosionist
1302678;1445284106;mircea_popescu;inamsuch as it's still ongoing, its still news.
1302679;1445284126;ascii_field;sorta like president johnson's 'state of emergency.'
1302680;1445284131;mircea_popescu;your hunger doesn't go away because "that's enough, i've been hungry for six hours now". on the fucking contrary.,
1302681;1445284187;Xplosionist;Really?  Like my debt will go away after 6 months if I just become used to it ?
1302682;1445284281;mircea_popescu;actually, THAT is how that works.
1302683;1445284287;mircea_popescu;5 years after the last contact it's wiped.
1302684;1445284311;ascii_field;except (in usa) when it isn't
1302685;1445284330;ascii_field;(mortgage, 'student loan', tax. most of the stuff people actually owe $maxint for)
1302686;1445284338;mircea_popescu;you can ignore all this as well.
1302687;1445284346;mircea_popescu;they claim it doesn't go away. in practice, it does.
1302688;1445284372;ascii_field;well, when you move to mozambique it goes away
1302689;1445284375;ascii_field;but not otherwise
1302690;1445284393;mircea_popescu;5 years after contact is a good rule of thumb.
1302691;1445284397;ascii_field;recently, american tax collectors started going after people for debts of their long-dead parents
1302692;1445284408;mircea_popescu;jus don't answer the mail, it'll take care of itself.
1302693;1445284427;mircea_popescu;they got hope and change going now after all.
1302694;1445284431;ascii_field;aha, by being subtracted from your paycheque
1302695;1445284440;mircea_popescu;what paycheque ?
1302696;1445284448;ascii_field;(this is how adjudicated debts are collected in usa)
1302697;1445284449;mircea_popescu;ssi is immune.
1302698;1445284457;ascii_field;yes if you're mircea_popescu and live on sunlight, this is not about you.
1302699;1445284475;mircea_popescu;the way debts work since the invention of the concept is you gotta have something.
1302700;1445284504;Xplosionist;If you get a paycheque, that counts as something I guss.
1302701;1445284523;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the concept that you can't build muscle and lose weight at the same time ?
1302702;1445284531;ascii_field;sure
1302703;1445284538;mircea_popescu;pick anabolic or catabolic. if you want a paycheck, why do you have debts ?
1302704;1445284545;mircea_popescu;if you have debts, why the fuck are you getting a payckech.
1302705;1445284547;mircea_popescu;get more debts.
1302706;1445284573;ascii_field;usually the latter is contingent on the former
1302707;1445284577;mircea_popescu;hahahaha
1302708;1445284583;mircea_popescu;where, in the us ?
1302709;1445284585;ascii_field;aha
1302710;1445284590;mircea_popescu;get outta here.
1302711;1445284598;ascii_field;no plebe gets actual hard cash just for the asking
1302712;1445284600;mircea_popescu;they mail 20yo kids cards now.
1302713;1445284633;ascii_field;aha, so they can start the 40% interest chumpatron going early in life
1302714;1445284640;mircea_popescu;sure. which yoiu don't pay anyway.
1302715;1445284656;ascii_field;no pay, no credit line fattening
1302716;1445284660;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1302717;1445284672;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this system is so beautifully modelled in eulora... you can either overcraft or undercraft
1302718;1445284676;ascii_field;so what do you eat ?
1302719;1445284689;mircea_popescu;but if you do either, gotta do it with ALL the elements. you cant mix above avg x with under average y, it'll hurt.
1302720;1445284696;mircea_popescu;ascii_field policemen.
1302721;1445284704;ascii_field;mm
1302722;1445284710;mircea_popescu;there's more cases of people who ate policemen than cases of people who starved in the us.
1302723;1445284712;mircea_popescu;pick any year.
1302724;1445284717;*;ascii_field recalls a famous case in su where one fella did exactly that
1302725;1445284720;ascii_field;ate policemen!
1302726;1445284721;mircea_popescu;aha
1302727;1445284732;ascii_field;he ran a kind of 'retreat', exclusive, posh, for high-level police types
1302728;1445284740;ascii_field;eventually somebody noticed that they never came back.
1302729;1445284743;mircea_popescu;lol
1302730;1445284750;ascii_field;they found a larder, sausages, hams
1302731;1445284764;ascii_field;which he'd been not only eating, but feeding to his 'guests'
1302732;1445284773;mircea_popescu;i heard the story also but always figured it for ethnofantasy
1302733;1445284784;ascii_field;fwiw i have no solid proof that it took place.
1302734;1445284800;ascii_field;may be a legend, from zeitgeist of the time, so to speak
1302735;1445284805;mircea_popescu;aha.
1302736;1445284808;mircea_popescu;matches the 80s.
1302737;1445284811;Xplosionist;But the pork/policemen analogy is too fun.
1302738;1445284814;ascii_field;solid 80s.
1302739;1445284909;diametric;Surprisingly there aren't that many police deaths in the US per year.
1302740;1445284926;mircea_popescu;not surprisingly.
1302741;1445284929;diametric;well yeah.
1302742;1445284946;mircea_popescu;for every 5mn gestapo anon reports there was a shocking 0 coups on hitler's lyf.
1302743;1445284948;diametric;I should say, despite the claims of "most dangerous job"
1302744;1445284997;Xplosionist;"most unpleasant job" might be as accurate.
1302745;1445285033;Xplosionist;I mean, I'm very glad we have people that do it.  Most of whom are actually nice and do a good job.  But, wow, I would never want to deal with as much crap as you have to put up with fore that job.
1302746;1445285105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11769 @ 0.00049993 = 5.8837 BTC [+] {3} 
1302747;1445285134;mircea_popescu;depends what you mean by "policeman". the legitimate job (beat cop, giving directions and taking drunks home) is gone. the paper pusher job is whatever, another social worker. the DEA agent / carl force IV thing is just a different jolly roger color scheme for the same thuggery.
1302748;1445285150;mircea_popescu;the suits in washington have more to do with jpm and gs than all of this
1302749;1445285152;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth
1302750;1445285166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11481 @ 0.00050698 = 5.8206 BTC [+]
1302751;1445285359;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.99950000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b41
1302752;1445285371;jurov;in other news, http://erzvo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/2015-03-25-janci-petoo202.jpg
1302753;1445285373;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkCo0s )
1302754;1445285389;mircea_popescu;i've got the best fucking weather, it's incredible. constantly 16-18ish, nice breeze, beautiful sun...
1302755;1445285495;ascii_field;'(Added 2015) Some of the documents that we previously received through FOIA suggested that all major manufacturers of color laser printers entered a secret agreement with governments to ensure that the output of those printers is forensically traceable. Although we still don't know if this is correct, or how subsequent generations of forensic tracking technologies might work, it is probably safest to assume that all
1302756;1445285495;ascii_field;modern color laser printers do include some form of tracking information that associates documents with the printer's serial number. (If any manufacturer wishes to go on record with a statement to the contrary, we'll be happy to publish that here.)'
1302757;1445285538;mircea_popescu;o hey, did ethereum just break through it's record low ?
1302758;1445285713;ascii_field;http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=18996 << for aficionados of '23andme' and related chumpatrons
1302759;1445285714;assbot;Cops are turning to privately held DNA databases for info to help with investigations ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkD5qq )
1302760;1445285753;mircea_popescu;the thing is open source right ?
1302761;1445285760;mircea_popescu;you get the tool, plug it into your linux laptop and go.
1302762;1445285767;ascii_field;wai wat?!
1302763;1445285771;ascii_field;no.
1302764;1445285788;mircea_popescu;aww!
1302765;1445285794;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302692 << so far this tactic has worked for me, since I stopped filing a few years ago
1302766;1445285794;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 19:53:28; mircea_popescu: jus don't answer the mail, it'll take care of itself.
1302767;1445285798;ascii_field;you spit in a tube & post it.
1302768;1445285864;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1302769;1445285872;asciilifeform;!up Xplosionist
1302770;1445285957;ascii_field;'
1302771;1445285958;ascii_field;the fact that your signing up for 23andMe or Ancestry.com means that you and all of your current and future family members could become genetic criminal suspects is not something most users probably have in mind when trying to find out where their ancestors came from.'
1302772;1445285976;ascii_field;nobody could've foreseen!111111!1 (tm)
1302773;1445285992;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long before a guy starts sending all the companies scam "copyright infringement" notices and invitations to pay $600 to make the embarassment go away, like those twerps trawling the noob torrent folk.
1302774;1445285999;mircea_popescu;"you at some point had a copy of my dna - pay up!"
1302775;1445286137;ascii_field;related lulz, http://fusion.net/story/49806/beware-houseguests-cheap-home-surveillance-cameras-are-everywhere-now
1302776;1445286140;assbot;Beware, houseguests: Cheap home surveillance cameras are everywhere now | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkDWYd )
1302777;1445286157;ascii_field;^ summary: 'airbnb' etc. users install 'toiletcams'
1302778;1445286168;mircea_popescu;doh.
1302779;1445286204;mircea_popescu;gotta a) keep driving down the capital cost of pron ; b) acclimate the womenz to their nude future.
1302780;1445286205;mircea_popescu;seems logic.
1302781;1445286220;ascii_field;jp, i'm told, is 20 yrs ahead in this metric
1302782;1445286238;ascii_field;to the point of uninstrumented women's toilets being a rarity in some places
1302783;1445286238;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many 4th wave feminists fighting rape on campus and what other derpage realise that their daughters... well no. their nieces will live their life naked.
1302784;1445286300;punkman;do the japs still censor their porn?
1302785;1445286359;mircea_popescu;o yea
1302786;1445286388;ascii_field;'Surprisingly, Dropcam’s privacy policy doesn’t warn customers that the government could seize the cloud-based video from their cameras or tap into their live-streams, and doesn’t state under which circumstances the company would comply with such a request. (Update: And law enforcement has come calling with warrants.)' << ahahaha
1302787;1445286394;ascii_field;use moar cloudz!!1
1302788;1445286475;ascii_field;http://blogs.fsfe.org/mk/files/2015/04/bag-there-is-no-cloud.jpg << lulzy. to me, at least, because afaik the phrase is lifted directly from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=44
1302789;1445286476;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkF1zp )
1302790;1445286477;assbot;Loper OS » There is no “Cloud”: There are only Other People’s Hard Drives. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkF1PL )
1302791;1445286501;ascii_field;(without attribution, naturally)
1302792;1445286602;mircea_popescu;at this point needing a warning that the cloud is maintained by and for the nsa is like needing a warning that if you marry an american you'll be stuck with an ineffectual narcissist, or that if you save in dollars you'll end up worse than the manic collector with alzhimers and his piles of old newspapers, or all sorts of similarly obvious stuff.
1302793;1445286626;ascii_field;sure.
1302794;1445286636;mircea_popescu;"i'm going to build a successful company - venture capital got my back"
1302795;1445286640;mircea_popescu;sure homie. go for it.
1302796;1445286698;mircea_popescu;"i won't starve, i got a college education / 401k / my gold coins collection"
1302797;1445287035;mircea_popescu;commenter on trilema has this to say : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y
1302798;1445287036;assbot;Selling 1 Oz Gold Coin for $25 (when it's worth over $1,500) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkGFRr )
1302799;1445287045;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see how well teh entire "i am hoarding gold" thing plays out.
1302800;1445287056;mircea_popescu;hint : people don't accept one oz in trade for 25 bux.
1302801;1445287109;ascii_field;perhaps now can believe the 'rentalstarter' thing !
1302802;1445287123;ascii_field;people are rightfully suspicious of 'free lunch'
1302803;1445287162;mircea_popescu;no, they're just poor AND stupid.
1302804;1445287163;ascii_field;'hundred people rejected genuine nigerian prince inheritance! nyooz at 11!'
1302805;1445287180;mircea_popescu;there';s nothinfg rightful in not having $25 disposable to play, which is ALL this is about.
1302806;1445287211;ascii_field;l0l who the everliving fuck doesn't have $ 25 ?
1302807;1445287217;mircea_popescu;there's also nothing rightful in the unmitigated audacity of daring to not conform to the environment
1302808;1445287225;mircea_popescu;ascii_field anyone on the street in the us.
1302809;1445287236;mircea_popescu;about as poor as africa, really.
1302810;1445287260;ascii_field;there is typically at least twice this in the pan of any respectable panhandler even here in the suburbs.
1302811;1445287270;mircea_popescu;not his.
1302812;1445287284;mircea_popescu;it's mcdonadls' or whoevers.
1302813;1445287290;ascii_field;possibly.
1302814;1445287311;mircea_popescu;it's not, "money, i could do anything with". it's "money, i'll buy a toke with"
1302815;1445287315;mircea_popescu;thus, no. not his.
1302816;1445287358;ascii_field;cannot forgo a toke ?
1302817;1445287363;mircea_popescu;one could.
1302818;1445287372;mircea_popescu;and that mythical one would have money.
1302819;1445287419;ascii_field;reminds me of a product i suggested to a fella in meatspace - an iphone-shaped container that conveniently holds 800 usd
1302820;1445287430;ascii_field;(that the owner did not give to crapple)
1302821;1445287435;mircea_popescu;lol
1302822;1445287465;mircea_popescu;if i was younger and somehow the ipod thing actually put any drag on my mating, that's pretty much what i'd have done.
1302823;1445287500;ascii_field;this thought was inspired by learning that telcos in usa suddenly abolished the 'contract subsidy' thing
1302824;1445287504;mircea_popescu;"yeah baby, his daddy bought him an iphone ; i ordered this thing to hold 800 bucks. pick a cock to suck."
1302825;1445287519;ascii_field;now when you walk in, you either pay the 800 or agree to the '35/mo forever' claptrap
1302826;1445287554;mircea_popescu;note that 35 forever is actually less revenue than they made leasing old rotary phones.
1302827;1445287561;ascii_field;about same.
1302828;1445287571;mircea_popescu;well yes but the rotary phone is < 50 cents in qty.
1302829;1445287572;ascii_field;but yes, my first thought was, 'and they laughed at lucent'
1302830;1445287606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33839 @ 0.00050731 = 17.1669 BTC [+] {3} 
1302831;1445287619;ascii_field;http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-09-14-phone_x.htm << the service in question.
1302832;1445287620;assbot;USATODAY.com - Woman paid thousands to rent rotary phone ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCwz1p )
1302833;1445287638;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i had the most ustardian experience in argentina yet. so i want planters. small shop down the street, mostly closed, someone's house. finally it's open, i pick the planters, they're 90 each. i say i want 5, they only have 3. i scratch my head and leave.
1302834;1445287657;mircea_popescu;go to a different shop, a little further. advertisement on wall, "if you want this shop to survive, don't ask for a discount".
1302835;1445287670;mircea_popescu;apparently im expected to give a shit because we're in california-palermo or something ?!
1302836;1445287693;mircea_popescu;shitty service ; old confused woman reads off a tiny script on a lined paper thing, apparently the EXACT SAME planter is 283.
1302837;1445287704;mircea_popescu;i ask her if she's stupid. she pretends to not know what i'm saying. i leave.
1302838;1445287713;mircea_popescu;meanwhile that stupid shit is 30 cents each off the boat.
1302839;1445287729;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1302840;1445287736;ascii_field;http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << can least right now even
1302841;1445287738;assbot;Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCwLxx )
1302842;1445287738;ascii_field;*lease
1302843;1445287797;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder what a world with ACTUAL 30% gross margins would look like.
1302844;1445287821;mircea_popescu;you know, what it mostly was between the time of the lombards and the time of the spanyards.
1302845;1445287881;mircea_popescu;and speaking of these latter : i wonder how many people realise that the us complaint with spanish administration in florida was that it's TOO LAX ? as in, not oppressing the land nearly enough ? which is why they invaded.
1302846;1445287907;mircea_popescu;exactly the civil war dispute, a few decades prior.
1302847;1445288026;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, the very amusing situation where people (including derps with aspirations of culture and intelligence a la orwell) fell for the very obvious trick of pretending that the nazi/fascist police state stuff was not merely the germans/italians being TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED, ie, doing exactly what britain, the us, russia will do themselves later on, but somehow it were specific about them. sort-of like t
1302848;1445288026;mircea_popescu;he chinese of the 70s trying to pretend the usians are bad BECAUSE of computers. as if "computerization" is a bad thing in and of itself, not merely a natural evolution in which thosew guys happened to have got the drop on our guys.
1302849;1445288060;ascii_field;weizenbaum grasped this.
1302850;1445288061;mircea_popescu;"o look, X discovered the tank before us. how evil is X of the tanks!!11".
1302851;1445288069;ascii_field;(in his 'computing power and human reason')
1302852;1445288079;mircea_popescu;might as well be in 7 grade, "o look, jane got tits! how ridiculous jane is!11"
1302853;1445288092;ascii_field;or, if you'd rather go back in time, the situation with catholic church and gunpowder.
1302854;1445288103;mircea_popescu;plenty of examplkes of the bs.
1302855;1445288105;ascii_field;'deviltry of the infidels'
1302856;1445288122;mircea_popescu;that's how the hell ended up containing half sulphur by mass
1302857;1445288129;mircea_popescu;accidental saltpeter contamination.
1302858;1445288258;mircea_popescu;ftr, romanian hell not being too well connected to the needs of catholicism still mostly fills the space with smoala, which is a heavy tar.
1302859;1445288269;ascii_field;aha, ru orthodox hell
1302860;1445288283;ascii_field;смола.
1302861;1445288293;mircea_popescu;what's it in english ?
1302862;1445288306;mircea_popescu;the thing that actually cvasi-crystallizes if allowed to cool, and it cracks
1302863;1445288325;ascii_field;pitch
1302864;1445288330;mircea_popescu;is it /
1302865;1445288334;mircea_popescu;i thought pitch flows.
1302866;1445288379;ascii_field;sorta. see http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0717/463097-trinity-college-dublin-pitch-experiment
1302867;1445288380;assbot;Trinity College experiment succeeds after 69 years - RTÉ News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkK0jv )
1302868;1445288457;mircea_popescu;aha. seems its actually pure asphalt.
1302869;1445288472;mircea_popescu;ie, viscoelastic polymer property\
1302870;1445288513;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Refined_bitumen.JPG << that.
1302871;1445288514;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkKohV )
1302872;1445288525;mircea_popescu;with the characteristic circular chips
1302873;1445289164;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301591
1302874;1445289164;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 03:42:19; mircea_popescu: i guess we should add to gabrielradio's list http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/
1302875;1445289181;gabrielradio;voila http://pastebin.com/YqjepKUq
1302876;1445289182;assbot;The realest in gangsta rap - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCzWW6 )
1302877;1445289243;shinohai;https://twitter.com/cryptsy/status/656215065947951104   <<< Only room for one set of scammers named cryptsy
1302878;1445289259;ascii_field;https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/216551-nypd-caught-using-x-ray-vans-to-search-the-public-refuses-court-order-to-release-details << l0l!
1302879;1445289260;assbot;NYPD caught using X-ray vans to search the public, refuses court order to release details | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCA1cv )
1302880;1445289395;ascii_field;http://nypost.com/2015/10/13/nypd-has-secret-x-ray-vans << original article, possibly
1302881;1445289397;assbot;NYPD has super-secret X-ray vans | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCAkE1 )
1302882;1445289687;mircea_popescu;what the fuck does this mean, "refuses court order"
1302883;1445289716;mircea_popescu;"obama grows pet unicorn". wtf ?
1302884;1445289717;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1302885;1445289724;ascii_field;like andrew jackson
1302886;1445289733;ascii_field;in worcester v georgia
1302887;1445289734;mircea_popescu;hardly, the guy had an army.
1302888;1445289742;mircea_popescu;nypd is an extension of the fucking court system.
1302889;1445289761;ascii_field;in practice - army.
1302890;1445289771;mircea_popescu;well this is certainly a mutiny.
1302891;1445289775;mircea_popescu;army or not.
1302892;1445289816;mircea_popescu; meaning they steal, rape, arson and kill << burn and pillage eh ? you don't arson anymore than you disease.
1302893;1445289842;mircea_popescu;"so to say" = "as the expression goes"
1302894;1445289905;ascii_field;incidentally, any self-respecting bomb craftsman puts in a fluorescent trigger for the xray schmucks
1302895;1445289948;ascii_field;ergo the vans have precious little to do with bomb
1302896;1445289959;mircea_popescu;deodata is not suddenly, in that contexts, it's "at the same time". english apparently fails synonymy. At the same time, simultaneously and concurrently i guess.
1302897;1445289966;ascii_field;and more pertinent re: illicit (in nyc - just about any) small arms, as well as benjie briefcases, etc
1302898;1445289986;mircea_popescu;see a cop, shoot that cop.
1302899;1445290037;gabrielradio;mircea_popescu yea, it didn't sound right indeed.
1302900;1445290049;ascii_field;see an unmarked van, ...??
1302901;1445290061;mircea_popescu;anyway. possibly one of the hardest pieces to translate, it's so well flown in romanian...
1302902;1445290070;mircea_popescu;ascii_field omnibus contra omnes!!11
1302903;1445290078;ascii_field;l0l
1302904;1445290141;gabrielradio;quite so. how would you go translate "pai nu?!"
1302905;1445290179;mircea_popescu;"innit"
1302906;1445290185;mircea_popescu;that's why i keep saying innit in english.
1302907;1445290212;mircea_popescu;yes, it's a poor substitute
1302908;1445290228;gabrielradio;a lot better than what i used tho
1302909;1445290266;mircea_popescu;"which were not his, but some young lady's" << "belonged not to him, but to some pretty young thing ..."
1302910;1445290309;mircea_popescu;repetitio est mater crezutio. also needs a note, because if you turn "crezut" into believe it's unobvious wtf crezutio's supposed to be anymnore.
1302911;1445290366;gabrielradio;i had doubts for a second there. i'm still trying to figure out where to go straightforward & where to reconstruct to better cater to the meaning
1302912;1445290386;mircea_popescu;aha
1302913;1445290396;mircea_popescu;but footnotes are a translator's best friend
1302914;1445290413;mircea_popescu;thus satisfying mike_c's legitimate expectation of endless subfootnote footery
1302915;1445290442;ascii_field;http://as-e.com/products-solutions/cargo-vehicle-inspection/mobile/product/zbv << go, buy! product!
1302916;1445290445;assbot;ZBV® - American Science & Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkOClD )
1302917;1445290463;ascii_field;claims, 'Its easy-to-read image quickly and clearly reveals threats like explosives, drugs, currency, and trade-fraud items such as alcohol and cigarettes—even in high-throughput environments like border crossings and security checkpoints.'
1302918;1445290603;mircea_popescu;heh
1302919;1445290745;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302377 << random tidbits of this kind make my day
1302920;1445290745;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 16:42:42; mircea_popescu: rizi tu rizi, harap alb, da' nu-i risul tau.
1302921;1445290754;mircea_popescu;lol
1302922;1445290756;ascii_field;http://as-e.com/products-solutions/cargo-vehicle-inspection/mobile/product/zbv-with-tx-view << standard, not just backscatter, xray
1302923;1445290758;assbot;ZBV with Tx-View™ - American Science & Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCCDa0 )
1302924;1445290773;mircea_popescu;isn't that a little carcinogenic ?
1302925;1445290781;ascii_field;a little, l0l
1302926;1445290805;mircea_popescu;even in the high throughput environments like the Great Toxic Swapm ?
1302927;1445290847;ascii_field;this esp. re: mircea_popescu's earlier observation re: police state hardware.
1302928;1445290982;punkman;I thought backscatter was xrays
1302929;1445290997;ascii_field;aha
1302930;1445291008;ascii_field;punkman: 2nd link shows a standard (transmissive) xray.
1302931;1445291015;ascii_field;apparently they offer either.
1302932;1445291017;punkman;oic
1302933;1445291046;punkman;I also thought backscatter couldn't see inside truck
1302934;1445291062;ascii_field;why not ?
1302935;1445291067;punkman;do you just turn it up to see through metal?
1302936;1445291080;ascii_field;aha.
1302937;1445291169;ascii_field;http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/technology-x-rays-homeland-security-aclu-drive-by-snooping.html << old nyooz, re: same.
1302938;1445291170;assbot;Scanner Vans Allow Drive-By Snooping - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCDiby )
1302939;1445291264;punkman;the nypd people operating the vans must be having a blast with their personal "xray glasses"
1302940;1445291285;mircea_popescu;kinda the whole point. "recruiting" carl forces.
1302941;1445291326;ascii_field;ever wonder how they know which car to pop for 100k in benjies ?
1302942;1445291329;ascii_field;this'd be one.
1302943;1445291396;punkman;I wonder how aware the ny (drug/money/x) couriers deal with this
1302944;1445291406;mircea_popescu;anyone in nyc not routinely carrying an old suitcase full of cut up old newspaper to bill size is not doing enough for his country.
1302945;1445291408;punkman;I accidentally that sentence
1302946;1445291447;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: old rags lack rare earth pigments, scarcely scatter at all
1302947;1445291447;mircea_popescu;punkman let's put it this way : if they yank any courrier everyone dies. the cops - including all the cops, not just hte ones involved, but everyone in their shift. plus their parents, and their soupses, and the spouse's exes
1302948;1445291457;mircea_popescu;and you can try out the daughters for 20 dollars in bolivia.,
1302949;1445291467;shinohai;http://www.businessinsider.com/y-combinator-growth-calculator-2015-10   <<< I thought the best tool was to just let mircea_popescu analyze it.
1302950;1445291467;assbot;Y Combinator growth calculator - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQw5J )
1302951;1445291468;mircea_popescu;now, how many times have you heard of something like this going down ?
1302952;1445291474;ascii_field;why would anyone die? the cops and the couriers work for the same folks, at the end of the day
1302953;1445291482;mircea_popescu;that's approximately the number of times they caught anyone who wasn;t a derp.
1302954;1445291494;mircea_popescu;ascii_field well i was constructing a counterfactual.
1302955;1445291518;mircea_popescu;ascii_field old newspaper and old bills are practically the same iirc.
1302956;1445291538;mircea_popescu;shinohai im not clicking on that. what is it ?
1302957;1445291545;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: mno. american bills are printed on cloth fiber and with rare earth inks (at one point, even paramagnetic)
1302958;1445291569;mircea_popescu;hm. aite then.
1302959;1445291578;shinohai;Some article about a tool that is supposed to tell you how long your startup has before the vc money runs out
1302960;1445291589;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1302961;1445291631;ascii_field;at any rate, the vans are used to help select folks for 'random traffic stop'
1302962;1445291698;punkman;but that's how we catch teh terrorists!!11
1302963;1445291764;ascii_field;http://www.terranimpact.com/site/projects/x-ray/x-raydetect.php << buy tube, build.
1302964;1445291770;assbot;Terran Impact X-ray Detector ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkR6AB )
1302965;1445291770;mircea_popescu;"we can't tell you about how we've not caught any terrorists because that would expose our inefficiency to the scrutiny of terrorists encouraging them and thus harm national security"
1302966;1445291772;mircea_popescu;perfect sense
1302967;1445291776;ascii_field;grade-school project.
1302968;1445291810;ascii_field;why would anyone 'hunt terrorists' (who aren't there) when he can hunt fat duffel bags full of benjies.
1302969;1445291850;ascii_field;incidentally
1302970;1445291865;ascii_field;the new drone ban tastes extra-tasty with the van find
1302971;1445291872;ascii_field;fly geigers around nyc
1302972;1445291894;ascii_field;have'em glom onto the vans, playing back recorded obscenities, blinkenlighting.
1302973;1445291960;ascii_field;(would be interesting to see an aerial 'photo' of a major usistan conurbation in xray/gamma spectrum at any event!)
1302974;1445291998;kakobrekla;all you need to do is register a drone and collect the data
1302975;1445292013;ascii_field;don't forget to file in triplicate !111
1302976;1445292079;mircea_popescu;lol\
1302977;1445292090;mircea_popescu;ACHTUNG KATTLE, DAS IST EIN OVARY CANCER VAN
1302978;1445292099;mircea_popescu;YA YA YA DAS IST EIN VAN
1302979;1445292101;ascii_field;WAGEN!
1302980;1445292117;mircea_popescu;let's not confuse the most college educated generation in history
1302981;1445292125;ascii_field;pick up 'millimetre-wave' radar for good measure.
1302982;1445292150;ben_vulpes;CANCERWAGEN
1302983;1445292166;mircea_popescu;AUTISM VACCINE VAN
1302984;1445292171;ascii_field;finally a good use for autonomous copterbots..
1302985;1445292190;punkman;re: most dangerous job thread, fishing takes the prize apparently http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/
1302986;1445292191;assbot;The Deadliest Jobs in America | Bloomberg Business - Business, Financial & Economic News, Stock Quotes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCEziZ )
1302987;1445292203;mircea_popescu;i wonder if adhd is related to cell towers and autism to vaccines or vice versa. hey, that's interesting, x-ray vans.
1302988;1445292231;mircea_popescu;punkman most people who decide to off themselves say "they're going fishing"
1302989;1445292251;mircea_popescu;since hunting lost popularity.
1302990;1445292253;ascii_field;though if the chart is to be believed, sometimes they... go logging
1302991;1445292290;punkman;I wonder where all the dead pilots work
1302992;1445292297;ascii_field;usaf
1302993;1445292305;punkman;ah right
1302994;1445292316;ascii_field;where else.
1302995;1445292370;punkman;misc. extraction, oil & gas?
1302996;1445292480;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2008/03/17/i-was-mcg-and-wifes-three-way-sex-stud-ex-driver/ << somebody please explain the news to me.
1302997;1445292487;assbot;I WAS MCG AND WIFE’S THREE-WAY SEX STUD: EX-DRIVER | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCFGiD )
1302998;1445292499;mircea_popescu;so politician has to resign because he "cheated" on his wife ? as if fucking is now a crime ? but the thing is... SHE WAS THERE ?
1302999;1445292515;mircea_popescu;she cheated on her while they were tag-teaming some dude together ? wtf ?
1303000;1445292590;mircea_popescu;from tlp, in 2008 : "There is, however, one important unifying characteristic of political infidelities that makes them very different from the average joe on AshleyMadison.com: everyone knows these guys are going to get caught."
1303001;1445292593;mircea_popescu;ahahahahaha. mmmkay.
1303002;1445292964;mircea_popescu;and in hazing news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7b398c2209b0b3d6603f144386e054bc/tumblr_nq70lngAu21s56jzso1_500.gif
1303003;1445292965;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCGeF9 )
1303004;1445293101;ascii_field;how is this a haze ?
1303005;1445293107;ascii_field;now, if they were pineapples...
1303006;1445293147;mircea_popescu;uh... hazing is the introduction of immature/juvenile individuals to the practices of their kind.
1303007;1445293158;mircea_popescu;this is the quintessential hazing.
1303008;1445293244;ascii_field;i thought hazing were more of a 'тяжело в учении - легко в бою' kind of thing
1303009;1445293316;mircea_popescu;im thinking more of cheerleader hazing than army stuff. in english iirc that's called pluriously other thnings
1303010;1445293354;shinohai;http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/10/19/i-spy-with-my-little-eye-something-beginning-with-g/   <<< O.o lulz
1303011;1445293355;assbot;Facebook will tell you if the government is snooping on your account ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCGALY )
1303012;1445293409;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1303013;1445293579;ascii_field;just like the 'ipnohe encryption' crock of shit
1303014;1445293605;ascii_field;'we will save you from usg unless ordered not to by usg so don't be surprised if never. but you can feel great!'
1303015;1445293794;kakobrekla;phreedom as an app. sells well.
1303016;1445295224;ben_vulpes;you know what's going to sell well?
1303017;1445295227;ben_vulpes;brand identity apps
1303018;1445295252;ben_vulpes;"these pants are just like those pants except using pants a makes me feel like a cooler person than pants b"
1303019;1445295259;ben_vulpes;eg "i'm a coke person, not a pepsi person"
1303020;1445295293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.0005091 = 24.6659 BTC [+] {7} 
1303021;1445297065;deedbot-;[Qntra] 78 Months in Prison for Carl Mark Force IV - http://qntra.net/2015/10/78-months-in-prison-for-carl-mark-force-iv/
1303022;1445297111;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> "these pants are just like those pants except using pants a makes me feel like a cooler person than pants b" << Drugs perfected this first: "Heroin feels really good, but Cocaine just always makes me feel more fun"
1303023;1445297214;mircea_popescu;<deedbot-> [Qntra] 78 Months in Prison for Carl Mark Force IV << does he get any "guard" slaves to impregnate ?
1303024;1445297219;mircea_popescu;or is that only for black guys.
1303025;1445297299;BingoBoingo;Only for the black guys. His name is very black, but his skin is insufficiently so.
1303026;1445297346;mircea_popescu;aha
1303027;1445297362;BingoBoingo;Unless he is hiding a second middle name in there and the full expansion is "Carl Mark 4Real Force IV" and his name alone may be black enough
1303028;1445297376;mircea_popescu;lol
1303029;1445297456;BingoBoingo;Or maybe Carl Mark Force IV-Lyfe
1303030;1445297757;ben_vulpes;eyyyyyyyyy
1303031;1445297761;mircea_popescu;"Adolescence is supposed to be an identity Schrodinger's Cat: multiple simultaneous states which eventually collapse into only one.  The goal of adulthood is to let go of the other possible existences and to make the best of the one.  A successful adult is one who understands that it doesn't matter which life you ultimately pick, only that you live it well.  The same potential for, say, happiness exists whether you are
1303032;1445297761;mircea_popescu; a construction worker, porn actor, or wealthy industrialist."
1303033;1445297762;mircea_popescu;aHAHAHAHAHA
1303034;1445297766;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck.
1303035;1445297770;mircea_popescu;really ?
1303036;1445297770;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: those are /actually different things/, though.
1303037;1445297800;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But their Brand identities are distinct.
1303038;1445297844;ben_vulpes;cocaine and heroin only have brands insofar as the usg propaganda machine defines them to.
1303039;1445297855;ben_vulpes;they exist however as entirely seperate things.
1303040;1445297865;ben_vulpes;unlike coca cola and pepsi, which are the same fucking thing.
1303041;1445297889;mircea_popescu;incidentally, does coca cola contribute to global warming ?
1303042;1445297892;ben_vulpes;(and soon, microsofts linux and "linux"!)
1303043;1445297894;mircea_popescu;all that pschhhhtttzzz
1303044;1445297908;mircea_popescu;that's carbon dioxide, right ?
1303045;1445297912;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i betcha they're getting carbon credits for sequestering
1303046;1445297917;mircea_popescu;shouldn't they use , i dunno, helium ? to reduce their footprint ?
1303047;1445297934;ben_vulpes;helium's rare and those who use it are evil now, donchano
1303048;1445297944;*;mircea_popescu would like it if all fizz producers were legally forced to use helium
1303049;1445297948;mircea_popescu;and all the fucktards to drink it
1303050;1445297955;ben_vulpes;why? and why?
1303051;1445297964;mircea_popescu;you ever heard someone talk on helium ?
1303052;1445297973;BingoBoingo;^
1303053;1445297994;kakobrekla;great for suicide too.
1303054;1445298081;BingoBoingo;Maybe put Nitrous Oxide in the fizzy drinks, sure makes most people a bit giggly, but worth it for the 1-0.3% of the population that becomes rage monsters on it. Much lulz potential there.
1303055;1445298151;kakobrekla;also mega lul on that helium note ; http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/brooklyn-life-coaches-dead-in-double-suicide.html
1303056;1445298152;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M36yJ2 )
1303057;1445298369;lobbes;in other lulz: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/cia-fbi-alleged-hacking-report/
1303058;1445298370;assbot;U.S. investigating report email account linked to CIA director hacked - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQQKfu )
1303059;1445298419;kakobrekla;old!!11 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302383
1303060;1445298419;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 16:55:22; ascii_field: http://nypost.com/2015/10/18/stoner-high-school-student-says-he-hacked-the-cia
1303061;1445298460;mircea_popescu;ahahaha see alf, it WAS factual.
1303062;1445298477;mircea_popescu;"wake me up when obama finally puts his tiny winer in a blender"
1303063;1445298480;mircea_popescu;"mmkay"
1303064;1445298529;jurov;heh helium won't dissolve in water, i'm +1 with nitrous oxide
1303065;1445298566;jurov;or when feeling particularly enraged, perhaps carbon monoxide can be considered
1303066;1445298579;BingoBoingo;http://nypost.com/2015/10/18/principal-forbid-teachers-to-sit-so-she-threw-out-their-desks/
1303067;1445298581;assbot;Principal doesn’t want teachers sitting — so she threw out all their desks | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQQXPV )
1303068;1445298605;mircea_popescu;this is like being in 9th grade and discovering the seniors are all playing with stupid fucking barbie dolls. not even like 3rd graders, but like 3rd grade GIRLS
1303069;1445298642;mircea_popescu;jurov carbon monoxide isnt reallty toxic in small doses
1303070;1445298671;BingoBoingo;But how much can you dissolve in the water... prolly more than a small dose.
1303071;1445299071;mircea_popescu;27.6 mg/L (25 �C)
1303072;1445299148;BingoBoingo;Ah, easier to just fill the cam with liquid carbon monoxide then
1303073;1445299164;mircea_popescu;basically if you drink more than a coupla liters in six hours (saturated) you're done.
1303074;1445299284;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> basically if you drink more than a coupla liters in six hours (saturated) you're done. << Seems like a safe way to thin out some hamplanets, while preserving people who aren't quite HCFS addicts
1303075;1445299538;punkman;drinking is not breathing it though
1303076;1445299568;asciilifeform;let's call it... einsatzkola.
1303077;1445299664;punkman;I do wonder what heliumkola burps sound like
1303078;1445299668;asciilifeform;'Self-help duo Lynne Rosen and John Littig, known for their monthly radio show "The Pursuit of Happiness," were found dead in their Park Slope apartment, suffocated with plastic bags and helium. Each left behind a note, the Daily News reports, but their bodies were not discovered for up to a week. The soft-spoken couple owned a life-coaching business called Why Not Now and preached a mission "designed to help foster and encour
1303079;1445299668;asciilifeform;age your inner strengths, identify hidden and untapped resources, and put you confidently on the path to designing the life you've always wanted to live." Their websites are littered with quotes like "The secret to getting ahead is getting started"​ and "It's always too early to quit."'
1303080;1445299670;asciilifeform;^ win
1303081;1445299687;asciilifeform;Why Not Now!
1303082;1445299696;mod6;haha
1303083;1445299751;mod6;s/The Pursuit of Happiness/The Pursuit of a Bag Over Your Head/
1303084;1445299771;mircea_popescu;punkman this is true but in the particular case of co - it is very permeating.\
1303085;1445299778;mircea_popescu;your gut will uptake most of it.
1303086;1445299853;mircea_popescu;they look kinda like "that mainstream ugly bitch and that mainstream insecure hipster make a porno" cast.
1303087;1445299911;mircea_popescu;Zack & Miri Make a Porno
1303088;1445300065;asciilifeform;funnily enough, i just answered phone from an old phriend who needed phase diagram of $redacted. apparently libraries now lack basic reference dead tree, and the net - worthless
1303089;1445300068;asciilifeform;for something so basic.
1303090;1445300093;asciilifeform;go and find a heat of enthalpy !
1303091;1445300180;asciilifeform;and speaking of the helium people, it is - think about it - a pretty high-tech suicide weapon
1303092;1445300188;mircea_popescu;aha.
1303093;1445300199;asciilifeform;(need hoses, pressure regulators, at least. not a spur-of-the-moment thing, like eating your nagant)
1303094;1445300209;mircea_popescu;tho really, nox much better to asphyxiate with.
1303095;1445300216;asciilifeform;laugh to death.
1303096;1445300219;mircea_popescu;heck, people mostly do it by mistake
1303097;1445300228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, by then it's laugh AT death.
1303098;1445300228;asciilifeform;like kary mullis (discoverer of pcr!) almost did
1303099;1445300243;asciilifeform;(assistant found him with lips frozen solid. he was getting it straight from the tank!)
1303100;1445300266;mircea_popescu;heh
1303101;1445300271;asciilifeform;anyway imho the chick is hot
1303102;1445300287;asciilifeform;more or less illustrative of the opposite of what i mean when i say that the chix in mircea_popescu's photos 'have no faces'
1303103;1445300343;mircea_popescu;you only think this because she's 45
1303104;1445300354;asciilifeform;http://www.lynnerosen.com << what's the story here? you have to be alive now or they pull your box from the rack ?
1303105;1445300355;assbot;lynnerosen.com - Registered at Namecheap.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQSyFt )
1303106;1445300356;mircea_popescu;back when she was of sexing age you'd have thought her faceless too
1303107;1445300359;asciilifeform;(or did they let it lapse)
1303108;1445300370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly. all i have is this data point.
1303109;1445300397;mircea_popescu;nltawwt
1303110;1445300425;mircea_popescu;but all things consider, i'd rather the adult woman carry the lines i give her.
1303111;1445300436;asciilifeform;paging pygmalion...
1303112;1445300506;mircea_popescu;aha
1303113;1445300524;mircea_popescu;'fraid this is more a case of narcissus, but anyway.
1303114;1445300537;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1303054 << paging your kindergarten chemistry teacher !
1303115;1445300537;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 23:41:21; BingoBoingo: Maybe put Nitrous Oxide in the fizzy drinks, sure makes most people a bit giggly, but worth it for the 1-0.3% of the population that becomes rage monsters on it. Much lulz potential there.
1303116;1445300545;asciilifeform;no wants to dissolve in nonpolars !
1303117;1445300586;asciilifeform;e.g. lipid
1303118;1445300611;mircea_popescu;so make the cola oil rather than water based.
1303119;1445300614;asciilifeform;and not no either
1303120;1445300615;asciilifeform;but n2o
1303121;1445300618;asciilifeform;dafuq
1303122;1445300632;asciilifeform;and so you want something like cream
1303123;1445300648;asciilifeform;(which is where you will typically find n2o in the kitchen shop !)
1303124;1445300654;asciilifeform;see old thread re: same.
1303125;1445300676;asciilifeform;(NO you will find in the gasenwagen.)
1303126;1445300686;asciilifeform;right next to CO.
1303127;1445300824;mircea_popescu;details, my dear doctor faustus1
1303128;1445300844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38939 @ 0.00050258 = 19.57 BTC [-]
1303129;1445301135;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so make the cola oil rather than water based. << Ether based
1303130;1445301244;shinohai;http://www.securityweek.com/teen-hacker-says-he-cracked-cia-heads-personal-email-media  <<< if true, then funny
1303131;1445301245;assbot;Teen Hacker Says He Cracked CIA Head's Personal Email: Media | SecurityWeek.Com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFhRr6 )
1303132;1445301304;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (NO you will find in the gasenwagen.) << NO is nitric, but yes available at the kitchen shop, auto shop, and tooth shop
1303133;1445301377;BingoBoingo;Auto shop though tends to adulterate it to prevent "abuse"
1303134;1445301492;mircea_popescu;speaking of auto shops, http://36.media.tumblr.com/47bc5c75838eaee784f3bd1f272302f0/tumblr_npbxaxkun61ttrd9lo1_1280.jpg
1303135;1445301493;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFicu3 )
1303136;1445302520;asciilifeform;l0l, speaking of those faceless !
1303137;1445302549;asciilifeform;spiffy knot work though.
1303138;1445302959;BingoBoingo;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19_10_11_unodcbriefing.pdf
1303139;1445302975;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hOLkQV )
1303140;1445303001;BingoBoingo;"Decriminalising drug use and possession for personal consumption is permitted by the international drug control conventions and is a key element of the HIV response among people who use drugs"
1303141;1445303056;BingoBoingo;http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/finally-a-change-in-course-on-drug-policy
1303142;1445303056;assbot;Finally – a change in course on drug policy - Virgin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1hOLw2u )
1303143;1445303123;BingoBoingo;The BBC reports that it has now been formally withdrawn after pressure from �at least one country�
1303144;1445303241;mircea_popescu;lmao. the end of the fufcking world, when the empire's TAIL starts using imperial HEAD tricks
1303145;1445303262;mircea_popescu;"these words don't say what you thought they did, they say what we want them to say, eat it up Washington!"
1303146;1445303268;mircea_popescu;so so very 400 ad.
1303147;1445303284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21390 @ 0.00050258 = 10.7502 BTC [-]
1303148;1445303409;asciilifeform;not to mention that 'decriminalize' is an idiot newspeakism
1303149;1445303553;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> not to mention that 'decriminalize' is an idiot newspeakism << A lot of this. Basically code for enforce with greater arbitratity and seize moar funds.
1303150;1445303606;asciilifeform;it is merely the introduction of a new layer of chumps, 'lawful personal users' - who do not even need to physically exist to support new layers of 'moar studiez needed' mandarins, enforcer thugs, etc
1303151;1445303701;asciilifeform;how 'lawful personal users' are to get their dope without contact with 'lawless impersonal' dope-dealing caste, remains undefined (because whole shebang is a joke)
1303152;1445304153;BingoBoingo;At least there is another Empire out there fucking with this empire: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Japan_Factory_Ship_Nisshin_Maru_Whaling_Mother_and_Calf.jpg
1303153;1445304155;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hONsbr )
1303154;1445304195;asciilifeform;l0l 'legal research'
1303155;1445304211;asciilifeform;is there a 'research' team which catches panda for the well-funded table ?
1303156;1445304287;BingoBoingo;There better be.
1303157;1445304319;BingoBoingo;I have to say though that Nisshin Maru might be my favorite ship in the ocean
1303158;1445305053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00050474 = 8.4544 BTC [+] {3} 
1303159;1445306434;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/rebound-relationship-with-pledge
1303160;1445306436;assbot;rebound relationship with pledge ... ( http://bit.ly/1OPkjdl )
1303161;1445306469;asciilifeform;'There are a few simple seeming functions in libc which turn out to be quite complicated under the hood. You call a function expecting a simple result, but then libc runs off and opens a bunch of sockets to remote servers and chats them up. This makes setting up a robust sandbox difficult and error prone. (Wait, what? Why is ls creating sockets???)' << lulz
1303162;1445306578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114400 @ 0.00051378 = 58.7764 BTC [+] {8} 
1303163;1445307188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45574 @ 0.00051988 = 23.693 BTC [+] {4} 
1303164;1445308530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39226 @ 0.00052162 = 20.4611 BTC [+]
1303165;1445308652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22093 @ 0.00052256 = 11.5449 BTC [+] {2} 
1303166;1445309140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41869 @ 0.0005023 = 21.0308 BTC [-] {4} 
1303167;1445309323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12123 @ 0.00051103 = 6.1952 BTC [+]
1303168;1445309628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00052864 = 13.1896 BTC [+] {4} 
1303169;1445310038;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0681V2X.txt
1303170;1445310039;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3HJF )
1303171;1445310040;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1303172;1445310071;adlai;trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300681 got run over
1303173;1445310071;assbot;Logged on 16-10-2015 19:08:35; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0681V2X.txt
1303174;1445310168;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302335 << took a while, didn't we :P
1303175;1445310168;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 16:04:39; trinque: side note of yey people are trying to verify the thing, which is very important.
1303176;1445310209;*;adlai still hasn't figured out deterministic newline munging in multideed bundles
1303177;1445310354;adlai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303123 << not this thread again...
1303178;1445310354;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 00:24:08; asciilifeform: (which is where you will typically find n2o in the kitchen shop !)
1303179;1445310848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.0005299 = 5.7759 BTC [+] {2} 
1303180;1445311155;trinque;adlai: yeah later in that thread you'll see me chattering about fixing it
1303181;1445311166;trinque;my parser was ignorant of \r\n
1303182;1445311169;trinque;vs \n
1303183;1445311174;trinque;did that one never get resubmitted?
1303184;1445311182;trinque;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0681V2X.txt
1303185;1445311183;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gi3HJF )
1303186;1445311185;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1303187;1445311942;adlai;now... two bundles, each with a double divideed. nice :P
1303188;1445313227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41969 @ 0.00052601 = 22.0761 BTC [-]
1303189;1445313438;BingoBoingo;In other news... Apparently 200 pound girls abuse anorexia forums trying to lose weight? https://archive.is/Cu831
1303190;1445313439;assbot;Please insult me hard. - The South Beach Diet - Forums and Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2XSHp )
1303191;1445313482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: refresh my memory, how did you get into the subject
1303192;1445313491;mircea_popescu;he's trying to lose weight.
1303193;1445313512;BingoBoingo;A bit of that. A bit of fuck reddit censorship.
1303194;1445313578;BingoBoingo;Also now that I know cool black people and cool Jooz, need socially acceptable utternmenschen and the Food Stamp supermorbidly obese are kinda it.
1303195;1445313635;mircea_popescu;oh i thought that part was gendered not social. ie, "what is the 1 in the 1 to 10 scale for women" rather than for people in general.
1303196;1445313666;asciilifeform;'If you cut me I don't bleed, I pour out AWESOMENESS!' << from BingoBoingo's link
1303197;1445313673;BingoBoingo;!b 2
1303198;1445313673;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0BEY21P.txt )
1303199;1445313744;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> oh i thought that part was gendered not social. ie, "what is the 1 in the 1 to 10 scale for women" rather than for people in general. << This is why 'Murica is failing. Not enough mundane nouns are gendered
1303200;1445313761;asciilifeform;not entirely relatedly, there is apparently a broadway musical about alexander hamilton. (for non-u.s. folks, a contemporary of george washington, famously killed in a duel.) so the inevitable, sacramental question: when do we get an equally duel-romanticized play about galois ?
1303201;1445313792;mircea_popescu;Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969),[2] known by his stage name Jay Z (formerly Jay-Z),[3][4][5] is an American rapper, record producer, and entrepreneur. He is one of the most financially successful hip hop artists and entrepreneurs in America. In 2014, Forbes estimated Jay Z's net worth at nearly $520 million.
1303202;1445313797;mircea_popescu;awww. that's not so much, is it ?
1303203;1445313808;mircea_popescu;He is one of the world's best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 100 million records, while receiving 21 Grammy Awards for his musical work, and numerous additional nominations.
1303204;1445313809;mircea_popescu;dude...
1303205;1445313820;BingoBoingo;Most of it came from apple buying out his startup lottery ticker
1303206;1445313822;mircea_popescu;the curse of aging is that the world seems to keep getting smaller. srsly, that's it ?
1303207;1445313824;BingoBoingo;*ticket
1303208;1445313852;BingoBoingo;;;google Beats by Dre Apple
1303209;1445313853;gribble;Beats by Dr. Dre - Shop Beats headphones and speakers - Apple: <http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/beats>; It's Official: Apple Adds Dr. Dre With $3 Billion Beats Deal - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2014/05/28/apple-brings-dr-dre-on-board-with-official-3-billion-beats-deal/>; Beats Product Service and Warranty | Beats by Dr. Dre: (1 more message)
1303210;1445313870;mircea_popescu;this is a different identical fake hood dood isn't it ?
1303211;1445313871;BingoBoingo;Jay-Z is not dre, but everyone buys the same lottery tickets
1303212;1445313877;mircea_popescu;aok
1303213;1445313902;BingoBoingo;Jay-z sings better. Dre plays with synthesizers better. Otherwise...
1303214;1445313923;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/5418b9936517317724b0136f409618d4/tumblr_nt0e7c6lfh1t0j8ebo1_400.gif << in other news, posture is everything.
1303215;1445313924;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hP1z0s )
1303216;1445313925;mircea_popescu;for women.
1303217;1445313972;mircea_popescu;alternative title, "videostudy in stress shear of the posterior fourchette"
1303218;1445314416;asciilifeform;http://icrwhale.org << from BingoBoingo's link earlier. mega-l0l.
1303219;1445314417;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2YooO )
1303220;1445314431;asciilifeform;click 'english', invokes built-in googletranslate thingie
1303221;1445314440;asciilifeform;'What I came up with this investigation Whale.'
1303222;1445314463;BingoBoingo;Nisshin Maru seriously best boat on the ocean.
1303223;1445314468;asciilifeform;or hm, yet another identical button gives something like actual english.
1303224;1445314479;asciilifeform;'Harassment of whale research vessels is illegal'
1303225;1445314629;mircea_popescu;what are they gonn a do, ask the us navy to shoot down the harasser ? :D
1303226;1445314682;asciilifeform;http://icrwhale.org/gpandsea.html << apparently, take pictures. and lawsuits.
1303227;1445314683;assbot;ICR : Harassment & terrorism ... ( http://bit.ly/1hP2Sw8 )
1303228;1445314704;BingoBoingo;Japan also nearly has enough Navy to shoot harassers nao
1303229;1445314724;*;mircea_popescu is finding a discussion of some 2009 "mass" (really, 4 people at a gym) shooter on tlp's blog quite informative.
1303230;1445314732;mircea_popescu;"Imagine after tanning for a month and lifting weights, he met a girl at the gym who fell in love with him."
1303231;1445314741;asciilifeform;sodini ?
1303232;1445314747;BingoBoingo;^
1303233;1445314755;mircea_popescu;what the fuck ? WHAT would a woman fall in love with ? the guy is as vacuous as an ipad. he "does a good job" programming .net crap and tans.
1303234;1445314757;mircea_popescu;that ?
1303235;1445314762;mircea_popescu;yes him.
1303236;1445314766;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/08/why_did_george_sodini_shoot_wo.html
1303237;1445314768;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Why Did George Sodini Shoot Women? ... ( http://bit.ly/1hP326O )
1303238;1445314798;mircea_popescu;how the fuyck is a woman supposed to fall in love with cubical fungus ?
1303239;1445314850;asciilifeform;how with street fungus ?
1303240;1445314852;asciilifeform;trading floor fungus ?
1303241;1445314856;mircea_popescu;easy. incoherent.
1303242;1445314858;asciilifeform;cockpit fungus ?
1303243;1445314874;mircea_popescu;no see, im starting to understand a lot of things, or moreover : the tlp wash has put pieces in my head into a sense.
1303244;1445314882;mircea_popescu;so : it's not narcissism that's the problem, not per se.
1303245;1445314889;mircea_popescu;it goes deeper : coherence is the problem.
1303246;1445314912;asciilifeform;'consistency is the hobgoblin of the small mind' thing ?
1303247;1445314919;mircea_popescu;yes, deeply coherent people APPEAR to be narcissists, and then it's easy to mistake THAT as driving the whole show. but it is not. narcissism is merely a defense mechanism.
1303248;1445314927;mircea_popescu;keeping the over-coherent thing from explosion.
1303249;1445314948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even deeper than that. the guy is so smooth, so flat, there is no possibility for a woman to get caught in anything.
1303250;1445314980;mircea_popescu;it's not subjective (hobgoblin small mind etc), it is outright objective. he's so smooth you can drop him in the ocean and pick him up dry.
1303251;1445314981;BingoBoingo;http://dpaste.com/07V4P64 << Spoiler alert for the depth of a certain rabbit hole exploration hinted at here, because Ashley Madison dump is boring
1303252;1445314983;assbot;dpaste: 07V4P64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2YE75 )
1303253;1445314983;asciilifeform;do we actually know the man ?
1303254;1445314987;mircea_popescu;which is EXACTLY what he describes.
1303255;1445314990;mircea_popescu;we do not know the man.
1303256;1445314991;asciilifeform;or only his seppuku note
1303257;1445314994;mircea_popescu;no one ever knows the man.
1303258;1445314996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00051753 = 61.0685 BTC [-] {6} 
1303259;1445314997;asciilifeform;so how do we know the smooth
1303260;1445315022;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> so how do we know the smooth << When one spends too much time in MS .NET they become it
1303261;1445315054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a legitimate if complex question. i'll approach it from very, very far away.
1303262;1445315074;mircea_popescu;why does the classical hero have to be flawed ? why not superman-perfect ?
1303263;1445315081;mircea_popescu;to explain the love interest, that's why.
1303264;1445315114;mircea_popescu;it never, to my knowledge, EVER worked on the silver screen as such. but the idea, even if never passibly implemented, still is valid
1303265;1445315120;mircea_popescu;a sort of narrative bitcoin if you will.
1303266;1445315145;mircea_popescu;so, why does t williams' pollitt junior drink ?
1303267;1445315148;mircea_popescu;he could as well not drink.
1303268;1445315155;mircea_popescu;ah, but you see, he drinks to forget. forget what ?
1303269;1445315158;mircea_popescu;his father was gay too.
1303270;1445315163;mircea_popescu;but the woman loves him. why ?
1303271;1445315212;mircea_popescu;ah, that crazed fag hag liz taylor. sure. nevertheless, the story works BECAUSE the kid's not coherent.
1303272;1445315258;asciilifeform;fanfic aficionados have a term, 'mary sue', for character who appears flawless and inspires loathing thereby
1303273;1445315302;mircea_popescu;priscilla lane snubs eddie bartlett in the roaring twenties, and this is perceived as a visceral crime by the audience. why ?
1303274;1445315327;mircea_popescu;why ? because the insipid lawyer is smooth ; cagney is clearly the one she was meant for. and we have no difficulty understanding panama smith's fixation.
1303275;1445315332;asciilifeform;but how is the fungus man 'smooth' ? as far as i can see, he is one gigantic wrinkle, like a von koch snowflake
1303276;1445315335;mircea_popescu;of course she'll die with him, she's caught.
1303277;1445315365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explain to me the topology of the wrinkle in 1-dimensional space with a quantified rule =1.
1303278;1445315377;asciilifeform;1?!
1303279;1445315380;mircea_popescu;yes.
1303280;1445315410;mircea_popescu;(is this how you say it in english ? "function that measures distance", the geometric equivalent of the sorting function, rule)\
1303281;1445315445;mircea_popescu;it should be, after all there's ruler
1303282;1445315469;asciilifeform;metric
1303283;1445315472;mircea_popescu;ah
1303284;1445315545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00052086 = 10.8599 BTC [+]
1303285;1445315569;mircea_popescu;see, let's go on a tangent.
1303286;1445315588;mircea_popescu;tlp observes "what the fuck is with the kids today, they all wanna be black ?" "they don't wanna be black, thgey wanna be masculine".
1303287;1445315593;mircea_popescu;this is correct, exactly.
1303288;1445315604;mircea_popescu;why is black = masculine ? why, because black needn't wrinkle.
1303289;1445315621;mircea_popescu;why does black not need wrinkle ? because so many blacks are in jail, black women can't afford to choose.
1303290;1445315632;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY for the reason superman could be a ball. in 19fucking50.
1303291;1445315636;mircea_popescu;you know what had just happened ?
1303292;1445315651;mircea_popescu;"he's perfect in every way". sure he is, susie.
1303293;1445315678;mircea_popescu;works in demographic imbalance. otherwise, you gotta make some sense, somewhere, somehow.
1303294;1445315834;asciilifeform;ball?
1303295;1445315845;mircea_popescu;like a bearing ball.
1303296;1445315981;mircea_popescu;at which point, i'll definitively confuse the matter by going on the least expected tangent :
1303297;1445316000;mircea_popescu;the churchly doctrine has always been that absent the possibility of sin, and the wilful rejection of sin, salvation is impossible.
1303298;1445316035;mircea_popescu;the REASON they said this, and stuck to it, is the correct observation that absent a very certainl possibility you'll fucking kill her, from which you wilfully abstain, the woman's not even slightly interested.
1303299;1445316058;mircea_popescu;(chiefly because you'll probably not give her children, which has its own knot of evolutionary logic behind it)
1303300;1445316092;mircea_popescu;and now : how the fuck is superman going to provide the manifest possibility he's killing the woman ?
1303301;1445316128;mircea_popescu;indirectly! http://trilema.com/2013/the-twu-luv-torture/#selection-105.0-105.36
1303302;1445316129;assbot;The twu luv torture on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2Z6Cm )
1303303;1445316143;mircea_popescu;"the evil guys" who are obviously and necessarily an affixion upon him, provide it!
1303304;1445316155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.0005219 = 31.314 BTC [+] {3} 
1303305;1445316277;mircea_popescu;har har http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/Lois_Lane-025-00.0.jpg
1303306;1445316279;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2ZaCd )
1303307;1445316292;mircea_popescu;(and unrelatedly one for BingoBoingo : http://pm1.narvii.com/5843/39edac1d9bcba66ba6f117b134930b7c329986f9_hq.jpg )
1303308;1445316293;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2ZaSI )
1303309;1445316313;BingoBoingo;lol
1303310;1445316560;mircea_popescu;jesus these things are so badly drawn...
1303311;1445316584;mircea_popescu;it's really hard to go through america's main cultural product and not come to the notion that the country was born with down syndrome.
1303312;1445316697;BingoBoingo;It's a problem
1303313;1445316810;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.31889759 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin over $326 before November - http://bitbet.us/bet/1215/bitcoin-over-326-before-november/#b3
1303314;1445317009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2463 @ 0.00052328 = 1.2888 BTC [+]
1303315;1445317013;mircea_popescu;i''ticker
1303316;1445317017;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1303317;1445317018;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.62, Best ask: 264.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 264.62, 24 hour volume: 10628.81221829, 24 hour low: 262.35, 24 hour high: 266.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1303318;1445317314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00052836 = 26.4708 BTC [+] {4} 
1303319;1445317619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26251 @ 0.0005299 = 13.9104 BTC [+]
1303320;1445317985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00052542 = 16.0779 BTC [-] {3} 
1303321;1445318955;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/09/are_there_really_so_many_peopl.html <<< win
1303322;1445318957;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: "Are there really so many people with such troubles in your country to make such medicine such an important matter?" ... ( http://bit.ly/1NRUZVe )
1303323;1445318960;mircea_popescu;someone from romania wrote him.
1303324;1445319022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00053027 = 26.4074 BTC [+] {3} 
1303325;1445320669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00053053 = 17.6136 BTC [+] {3} 
1303326;1445320854;BingoBoingo;The concise explanation of why parents who aren't poor and even some who are don't let their kids play 'Murican football
1303327;1445321075;BingoBoingo;Because why put your kids in the position to suffer likely murder to people doping with shit that works when... you can tell them no for at least a few years.
1303328;1445321264;BingoBoingo;The point people are chemically engineering themselves routinely to be better at the sport in school is the point where the sport had went beyond what makes sense as a school sport.
1303329;1445321379;mircea_popescu;from what i could gather, the sort of kid that plays football comes from the same pool of kids that "sing rap" or get shot in turf wars.
1303330;1445321391;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna go, might as well go whatever way it happens
1303331;1445321432;BingoBoingo;Of course.
1303332;1445321477;BingoBoingo;It is the exact demographic now. The demographic that used to produce boxers like Ali now produces 300-400 pound sprinters
1303333;1445321584;BingoBoingo;Just now the demographic's parents are either Denzel Washington in Training Day or Madea sitting on the school board
1303334;1445321694;BingoBoingo;The thing is he has to consider getting on gear because the sport he chose inevitably means he will be smashing heads with people who did
1303335;1445321756;BingoBoingo;"If you can you must"
1303336;1445321763;ben_vulpes;> sings rap
1303337;1445321767;*;ben_vulpes barfs
1303338;1445321806;ben_vulpes;b-a can't distinguish the jigga man from dre, thestringpuller
1303339;1445321816;ben_vulpes;whaddaya make of that
1303340;1445321820;BingoBoingo;I know alf has an aversion to the American Football talk, but the sad thing is that was likely one of the saner people getting into the game
1303341;1445321837;mircea_popescu;can you ?
1303342;1445321872;mircea_popescu;and what is it, "recites" ? he does with the mouth.
1303343;1445321915;BingoBoingo;I just gotta say Jay-Z's girl Beyonce better consider a calorie deficit before she ends up like Kim Karsashian who bloated up.
1303344;1445321956;mircea_popescu;there's no saving the 30yo black woman. she'll balloon, tis the genes.
1303345;1445322010;BingoBoingo;She can keep it in her ass. Older black Women manage that. That is good. Kim though was not black and just went full FUPA.
1303346;1445322102;mircea_popescu;diff story there.
1303347;1445322106;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1303348;1445322208;mircea_popescu;This is how famous people die: they take stimulants to party all night, and sleep very little.  Finally, on day 3 they're too wired to fall asleep naturally, so they take a few extra sedatives (because they feel so wired.)  However, the full dose of the pills doesn't happen until after they fall asleep; the sedation is worsened even further by stimulant withdrawal; and, of course, the natural exhaustion that comes with
1303349;1445322208;mircea_popescu; partying for three days and not sleeping.
1303350;1445322209;BingoBoingo;Just if Jay-Z was doing really good he'd be able to cycle them out
1303351;1445322215;mircea_popescu;aaaand again ballas is exactly correct
1303352;1445322219;mircea_popescu;that's precisely how famous people die.
1303353;1445322255;BingoBoingo;Like Elvis
1303354;1445322264;mircea_popescu;i'd guess about half of them.
1303355;1445322285;BingoBoingo;Though hints in his papers suggest he aspirated on the vomit too
1303356;1445322522;mircea_popescu;"Mass murder is the violent expression of being a pussy. The people killed are almost never the people who actually hurt you-- they are the nameless collateral damage of your fear of confrontation.  Every person who Sodini felt hurt him is still alive.  Every person he shot was nothing but polite to him, if they had any contact at all.  This is almost universally true about mass murderers.  In other words, the people w
1303357;1445322523;mircea_popescu;ho you think hurt you most got punished the least."
1303358;1445322538;mircea_popescu;word eh.
1303359;1445322567;mircea_popescu;the problem with this safe, sanitized, society-first view of individual action is that it deliberately avoids the problem of class.
1303360;1445322609;mircea_popescu;what if you mass murder accountants ? irs accountants ? black women ? people working at the southern poverty law center ? congressmen ? etc.
1303361;1445322625;mircea_popescu;but let's not talk about that.
1303362;1445322720;BingoBoingo;Can't talk about that. "Ideation" in psych lingo.
1303363;1445323287;mircea_popescu;anyway. tlp's idea about how to report the stuff in the media to prevent its repeating is entirely correct (and also exactly what china does, which he doesn't notice - tho he notices correctly that it's what the dod forced everyone to do for the wtc bombings)
1303364;1445323331;mircea_popescu;the probolem with THAT is that it only works for as long as the press is firmly attached to the public mind, but the more it works the more tenouous it makes that attachment. so... notrly.
1303365;1445323443;BingoBoingo;Kind why qntra works like BitBet as a truth finding mechanism, also time weighted
1303366;1445323540;BingoBoingo;2nd article, canonical by nao http://qntra.net/2014/10/gaw-miners-revealed-as-the-jizz-moppers-supreme/
1303367;1445323541;assbot;GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjEwn )
1303368;1445323645;BingoBoingo;Similarly Death sentence http://qntra.net/2014/10/altcoin-exchange-cryptsy-partners-with-vogogo-and-digital-btc/
1303369;1445323646;assbot;Altcoin Exchange Cryptsy Partners With Vogogo And Digital BTC | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQpIdt )
1303370;1445323690;mircea_popescu;lol all this shit that supposedly at some time existed.
1303371;1445323731;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1303372;1445323884;BingoBoingo;Then grew to this beaut by thestringpuller so soon http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/
1303373;1445323885;assbot;The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQpTpb )
1303374;1445325162;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1303375;1445325168;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 265.51, vol: 23648.99455804 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 264.08, vol: 7255.33172 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 267.04, vol: 10445.75366445 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.154075, vol: 30694.19260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 265.60156, vol: 64.00913653 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 264.81235, vol: 107.7485845 | Volume-weighted last average: 269.685730278
1303376;1445325305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00052758 = 7.3861 BTC [-]
1303377;1445326891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00052739 = 12.8419 BTC [-] {3} 
1303378;1445328111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44901 @ 0.00052857 = 23.7333 BTC [+] {4} 
1303379;1445329148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00053221 = 2.6078 BTC [+]
1303380;1445330856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00053222 = 7.7438 BTC [+]
1303381;1445334516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30366 @ 0.00053221 = 16.1611 BTC [-] {2} 
1303382;1445335248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00052695 = 16.678 BTC [-] {3} 
1303383;1445335614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00052486 = 14.04 BTC [-] {2} 
1303384;1445335675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26030 @ 0.00053206 = 13.8495 BTC [+] {3} 
1303385;1445336468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32411 @ 0.00052892 = 17.1428 BTC [-] {3} 
1303386;1445336712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31873 @ 0.00052364 = 16.69 BTC [-] {4} 
1303387;1445338359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00052951 = 6.9895 BTC [+]
1303388;1445338406;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303159 << instead of all this shitgnomery they could allow administrator to exempt these sockets from nr_fileno limit
1303389;1445338406;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 02:00:34; BingoBoingo: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/rebound-relationship-with-pledge
1303390;1445338603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00053419 = 12.3932 BTC [+]
1303391;1445338786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29249 @ 0.00053419 = 15.6245 BTC [+]
1303392;1445339335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93701 @ 0.00053542 = 50.1694 BTC [+] {8} 
1303393;1445339518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00053704 = 23.7372 BTC [+]
1303394;1445340067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00053622 = 29.0631 BTC [-] {2} 
1303395;1445340762;shinohai;http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/an-israeli-hummus-cafe-is-giving-50-per-cent-off-to-jews-and-arabs-who-eat-together--WyxvWQdJdl
1303396;1445340763;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KlSLpx )
1303397;1445340794;shinohai;"An increase in violence was reported as Jews begam kidnapping Arabs just to obtain the discount."
1303398;1445341226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00053704 = 4.5648 BTC [+]
1303399;1445342324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00053704 = 6.901 BTC [+]
1303400;1445342934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54913 @ 0.00054189 = 29.7568 BTC [+] {3} 
1303401;1445345721;jurov;http://tpbit.blogspot.sk/2015/10/liquid-when-sidechains-say-fuck-it.html heh
1303402;1445345722;assbot;ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Liquid - when sidechains say "fuck it" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OG24bu )
1303403;1445346472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00053718 = 13.7518 BTC [-]
1303404;1445347387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00053718 = 4.2974 BTC [-]
1303405;1445347631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00053718 = 27.3156 BTC [-]
1303406;1445347955;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302797 <-- so who is the idiot here?  the person saying what they were told to say on video, or the person watching it and drawing conclusions based on nothing?
1303407;1445347955;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 20:37:15; mircea_popescu: commenter on trilema has this to say : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndshbH3qZ6Y
1303408;1445348017;funkenstein_;for more on this topic, go watch Rem� Gaillard prank videos, and think for a while about who is really being pranked
1303409;1445348116;punkman;I don't think I'd buy gold coin off random guy on the street either
1303410;1445348144;funkenstein_;"Americaner sind h�re dumm!  Ich habe im Youtube gesehen."
1303411;1445348167;punkman;though, it is a fact that guy on the street does not know what an ounce of gold looks like or what it's worth
1303412;1445348207;funkenstein_;likely true, though a video made by some people you don't know doesn't verify it
1303413;1445348607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32194 @ 0.00053512 = 17.2277 BTC [-] {5} 
1303414;1445348630;funkenstein_;first they came for the derps.  but I was not a derp, so I said nothing.
1303415;1445348826;funkenstein_;there must be something lost in translation.  How is some random mentally broken corpsemuncher anything like a prof. wrestler, or a real wrestler, or a gangster, or a gangster rapper?
1303416;1445349108;funkenstein_;and related later, how many people do you know that paid for a recording of Jay Z?  But oh, I saw 100million written down so, lets just believe that shall we?
1303417;1445349156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00052835 = 21.6624 BTC [-]
1303418;1445349812;funkenstein_;anyway "reasonable doubt" -  "friend or foe" is worth a listen :)
1303419;1445351152;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2015#1302745 <--  wai wut?
1303420;1445351152;assbot;Logged on 19-10-2015 20:03:53; Xplosionist: I mean, I'm very glad we have people that do it.  Most of whom are actually nice and do a good job.  But, wow, I would never want to deal with as much crap as you have to put up with fore that job.
1303421;1445351156;funkenstein_;;;ud ftp
1303422;1445351157;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FTP | FTP. Fuck the police. Coined in early 1998 by a C.B. local. It is the only true definition of this word and all the othere can f*ck off. I'm sick of these pigs harassing ...
1303423;1445351893;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303288 <-- hanging out of context comparatives can mean anything you want and thus wind up meaning nothing at all
1303424;1445351893;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 04:33:24; mircea_popescu: why is black = masculine ? why, because black needn't wrinkle.
1303425;1445351930;funkenstein_;i'm thinking of something bigger, can you guess what it is?
1303426;1445351939;funkenstein_;it was a hydrogen atom
1303427;1445351956;funkenstein_;another common example: "lesser animals"
1303428;1445351986;funkenstein_;if the speaker had any actual information to convey, they forgot to complete the sentence
1303429;1445352009;funkenstein_;or something like "girls are better"
1303430;1445352055;funkenstein_;unless the "at what" is specified, it's just a phrase used for effect
1303431;1445352450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00052992 = 10.1215 BTC [+] {2} 
1303432;1445352790;funkenstein_;this concludes my driveby bitcoin-asseting, I'm off now to go cut bill-sized newspaper strips :)
1303433;1445353187;jurov;!up analmaster
1303434;1445353507;thestringpuller;;;later tell funkenstein_ I've bought a lot of Jay-Z albums. The Black Album on vinyl is sick. Jay-Z is good at moving albums tho...
1303435;1445353507;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1303436;1445353560;lobbes;so cable company just called me; 'Because you're such a loyal customer, I'm going to give you this exclusive *unadvertised* offer! For MORE money per month, I can give you faster internet!"
1303437;1445354070;lobbes;Me: "No thanks"
1303438;1445354070;lobbes;CableDude: "May I ask what's holding you back?"
1303439;1445354070;lobbes;Me: "I don't want to spend more money"
1303440;1445354070;lobbes;CableDude: "Sure I understand, but this IS an exclusive offer. So can I sign you up today?"
1303441;1445354070;lobbes;Me: "No, bye"
1303442;1445354388;mircea_popescu;lol
1303443;1445354639;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/09/kanye_west_and_the_video_music.html << reading this thing i come to the realisation that having a GREAT kids show on tv is the worst fucking thing you could ever do. the muppets was probably better than anything else that was on tv for three decades, and contrary to what everyone imagined, it DIDNT help kids.
1303444;1445354640;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Kanye West And The Video Music Awards ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgbisA )
1303445;1445354650;mircea_popescu;in fact, it might actually be a large part of why said kids are broken in the head.
1303446;1445354719;mircea_popescu;but in any case... "The audience-- people, Twitter, performers, Leno, The View, the President-- are can't help but comment on the show.  They don't understand that they are actually part of the show.  They aren't getting paid, but neither were Statler and Waldorf.   And they were the funniest part of it."
1303447;1445354725;mircea_popescu;this is a problem.
1303448;1445354803;mircea_popescu;jurov << instead of all this shitgnomery << eh, the problem with exceptions is that they have to be managed.
1303449;1445354834;jurov;if the alternative is to add new syscall per exception...
1303450;1445354972;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ what is your definition of "nothing" ? be the careful you wish to see in this world. for instance as an exercise : compare the "nothing" you falsely claimed with the "something" that was actually there, see if the conclusions ACTUALLY DRAWN by the people you read were in fact commensurate with the something that there was, IRRESPECTIVE of what your kneejerk [based on nothing] interpretation of
1303451;1445354972;mircea_popescu; what they MIGHT HAVE said is.
1303452;1445354973;gribble;Error: "based" is not a valid command.
1303453;1445354988;mircea_popescu;oic.
1303454;1445355113;*;mircea_popescu reads tpbit thing, is unimpressed. oh you mean people wanna blather about nothing rather than do work because a) it's easier and b) they don't wanna do anything anyway, they just wanna appear so and so ? mmmkay.
1303455;1445355455;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> first they came for the derps.  but I was not a derp, so I said nothing. << no community with the derps. see http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#selection-421.189-425.0 ; see http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe
1303456;1445355455;assbot;Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlQi31 )
1303457;1445355456;assbot;On how I ended up suing Phoenix NAP, LLC ; on how Ira R. Cadwell's mom Stephanie's going to lose her Chula Vista home ; on how Marcus Bohn is going to catch a lot of shit for that ; on assorted other drama. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlQkI6 )
1303458;1445355456;mircea_popescu;/#selection-217.0-221.245 ; see http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#selection-685.0-685.123 and the whole fucking corpus already. when "they" come for the derps i'll be fucking there shooting pregnantg mothers in the uterus and stepping on baby derp necks.
1303459;1445355457;assbot;On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlQkIc )
1303460;1445355471;mircea_popescu;there is no community with the derps. a world without them is a better world, under ANY circumstances.
1303461;1445355592;mircea_popescu;in fact, the reason prison is better than the web (no, it's not "the internet", fucking reddit facebook and washpo aren't "the internet") is preciely that they fuck up the derps in prison.
1303462;1445355723;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303415 << at this point i firmly believe there's something lost ; in the reading. in other words, im vaguely persuaded you do not actually have the ability to read (yes, you can follow the letters, but it's not the same). so earnestly, in full view of this censure of your intellectual faculties, without any attempt to hide from it or to pretend an imaginary, unwarranted s
1303463;1445355723;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 13:47:06; funkenstein_: there must be something lost in translation.  How is some random mentally broken corpsemuncher anything like a prof. wrestler, or a real wrestler, or a gangster, or a gangster rapper?
1303464;1445355724;mircea_popescu;uperiority over it, go read the fucking thing again and answer this question yourself. HOW is it that they are exactly the same ?
1303465;1445355805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00052832 = 27.7368 BTC [-]
1303466;1445355995;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_>  But oh, I saw 100million written down so, lets just believe that shall we? << that's not even it. the tlp article has the story, and it's rather obvious : they ACCEPTED to be extras in HIS movie. that's what it is. rihanna, of course (of course ? madonna didn't do that for ritchie, not really ; angelina jolie didn't do that for brad pitt ; moreover nobody told them to get the fucking crazy out of their
1303467;1445355996;mircea_popescu;heads and OF COURSE already, it's their guy which means he owns them), but that other chick what's her name, and oh really, "nobody's cavalcade is coming tarram tarram tarrarram tam tam" ? what the fuck is this shit, put the nigger back in the prison he squirmed out of an the white women back in the fucking ofcourse.
1303468;1445356012;mircea_popescu;because otherwise, OF COURSE some random derp is gonna be the symbol, and in this sense "100 mn" is purely symbolic. it's not the number, and you are drastically naive to contest the actual number. the point is somewhere else.
1303469;1445356112;mircea_popescu;"oh, but women don't wanna be extras in a man's movie just for being women". tough.
1303470;1445356124;mircea_popescu;im sure alf doesn't wanna be an engineer either, he wants to be a hunter. what of it ?
1303471;1445356133;mircea_popescu;the jobs available are the jobs available and you fucking like them.
1303472;1445356164;mircea_popescu;"oh, but i'm gonna be the exception". sure you will baby. heck, maybe she actually will be. THE EXCEPTION. geddit ?
1303473;1445356293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111100 @ 0.0005312 = 59.0163 BTC [+] {7} 
1303474;1445356393;mircea_popescu;or was it beyonce not rihanna ? anyway.
1303475;1445356594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303449 << this is true, yeah.
1303476;1445356594;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 15:27:14; jurov: if the alternative is to add new syscall per exception...
1303477;1445357814;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/suicide%20rates%20by%20age%20and%20race%202004.jpg << now that's an interesting graph.
1303478;1445357815;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pxn8Ba )
1303479;1445358054;punkman;"Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches per day on mobile"
1303480;1445358125;mircea_popescu;because why would they ? if they know the topic they don't need to search google, what the fuck is that you know, "i would like to see what the republican party says, i wonder if they have a website". on the other hand if you don't know it, why would you trust google. "i wonder if thye have a republican party in bali. o look, republicanpartyinbali.blogspot.com comes up first."
1303481;1445358733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34928 @ 0.00052768 = 18.4308 BTC [-]
1303482;1445358833;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hey Edmonton Police Service, what part of private property don’t YOU understand? - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/20/hey-edmonton-police-service-what-part-of-private-property-dont-you-understand/
1303483;1445359099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71750 @ 0.00053316 = 38.2542 BTC [+] {5} 
1303484;1445359109;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1303485;1445359152;ascii_field;http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/19/san-fran-middle-school-cancels-student-elections-because-too-many-white-people-elected
1303486;1445359153;assbot;School Elections Thrown Out After Too Many Whites Elected | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxqYud )
1303487;1445359308;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303461 << only in su prison - in america, prison (at least the fed kind) is sorta like su псиxушка
1303488;1445359308;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 15:39:52; mircea_popescu: in fact, the reason prison is better than the web (no, it's not "the internet", fucking reddit facebook and washpo aren't "the internet") is preciely that they fuck up the derps in prison.
1303489;1445359322;ascii_field;(live and die under microscope)
1303490;1445359331;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1303491;1445359338;mircea_popescu;how many actual convicts do you know tho ?
1303492;1445359383;ascii_field;directly? none. friend-of-friend - a few
1303493;1445359448;mircea_popescu;this isn't worth much, is it ?
1303494;1445359485;mircea_popescu;incidentally, it's not hard to meet convicts. there's a program you can sign up for, host one getting out of prison for a few months.
1303495;1445359493;mircea_popescu;sort-of like uber for convicts. or was it airbnb ?
1303496;1445359514;ascii_field;no. i do have a secret pasttime of reading just about anything written by prisoners, in all times and places, with emphasis on modern americans. but i cannot pretend to be an expert.
1303497;1445359568;ascii_field;'Van Haren went on to say that she is considering a variety of fixes to the problem, including appointing several new positions in order to ensure more minorities are represented without kicking out those who actually won the election.'
1303498;1445359568;mircea_popescu;yeah but of interest here would have been the convicts that don't write.
1303499;1445359585;ascii_field;'the spartan speaks with his sword.'
1303500;1445359617;mircea_popescu;i don't get this nonsense. who the fuck gave her the autority to overturn the election.
1303501;1445359630;ascii_field;it's a toy election
1303502;1445359643;mircea_popescu;you can't have a toy election anymore than you can have a toy pregnancy.
1303503;1445359647;ascii_field;instituted by the school to begin with, as i understand
1303504;1445359650;mircea_popescu;or a toy prayer. or a toy dela with the devil.
1303505;1445359654;mircea_popescu;these things are.
1303506;1445359665;mircea_popescu;tough. still not how it works.
1303507;1445359666;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: funnily enough they tried 'toy pregnancies' in american schools
1303508;1445359679;mircea_popescu;im sure they did. i would say overal there's no stupid thing the us haven't tried
1303509;1445359688;ascii_field;and at any rate this is a beautiful election. teaches the childrenz how ~actual~ usg works
1303510;1445359692;mircea_popescu;in line with the "sane measure to be applied just as soon as all alternatives exhausted"
1303511;1445359698;mircea_popescu;quitew.
1303512;1445359863;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303480 << iirc we did this..? google is for error messages, lines of code, quotes from published documents generically.
1303513;1445359863;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 16:22:05; mircea_popescu: because why would they ? if they know the topic they don't need to search google, what the fuck is that you know, "i would like to see what the republican party says, i wonder if they have a website". on the other hand if you don't know it, why would you trust google. "i wonder if thye have a republican party in bali. o look, republicanpartyinbali.blogspot.com comes up first."
1303514;1445359892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74750 @ 0.00052768 = 39.4441 BTC [-] {3} 
1303515;1445359919;mircea_popescu;ascii_field do you happen to have link to log where we discuss idiocy of "bayesian" approaches to stuff ?
1303516;1445359928;mircea_popescu;and yes, we did this.
1303517;1445359992;ascii_field;it came up on a few occasions iirc
1303518;1445360069;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2014#927735 << the thread i recall
1303519;1445360069;assbot;Logged on 18-11-2014 19:17:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the connection << organized abuse of statistical concepts for satanic purposes
1303520;1445360101;mircea_popescu;ha! ty.
1303521;1445360120;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever read that article by tlp about how "asking another is the best bias reducer" ?
1303522;1445360137;ascii_field;prolly
1303523;1445360145;ascii_field;at one point i swallowed the whole tlp
1303524;1445360154;ascii_field;but most of it got gc'd
1303525;1445360225;mircea_popescu;the experience he discusses (afaik this is amply documented) is the strange situation that if an idiot guesses, he's off by X, if he "tries" to think about it, ie, meditates on the answer and why it could be wrong he improves the guess (reducing he errror)
1303526;1445360241;mircea_popescu;but if he simply asks another idiot and averages the two out, he reduces the error 3x
1303527;1445360269;ascii_field;this only works when there is a signal.
1303528;1445360301;ascii_field;(the canonical experiment involves a jar full of coins or the like. but if you were to put the jar behind a door, then no signal. only noise.)
1303529;1445360380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45412 @ 0.00052665 = 23.9162 BTC [-] {4} 
1303530;1445360645;mircea_popescu;right.
1303531;1445360658;mircea_popescu;well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow.
1303532;1445360808;ascii_field;i did make use of #b-a search
1303533;1445360822;ascii_field;when such a thing exists for a subject, it is clearly the winner, yes
1303534;1445360878;ascii_field;i dare say that 99% of my search itches are entirely scratched by grep on my own disks
1303535;1445360886;ascii_field;the tricky bit is the remainder.
1303536;1445360951;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1303537;1445360957;mircea_popescu;problem is i didn't know what to search for.
1303538;1445360971;ascii_field;then it isn't a search problem...!
1303539;1445361019;mircea_popescu;quite.
1303540;1445361025;ascii_field;'i need to compute the volume of hydrogen in this bottle' 'compute volume, take the pressure....' 'i've never seen the bottle!'
1303541;1445361032;ascii_field;*mass of
1303542;1445361090;mircea_popescu;it IS a search problem. "i want X". "can you put X in X' ?" "no but i can tell it to alf"
1303543;1445361110;mircea_popescu;somehow working together it was 1 minute, i am confident it'd have been half a fucking hour of my life otherwise.
1303544;1445361115;ascii_field;meatsearch.
1303545;1445361117;mircea_popescu;aha
1303546;1445361130;ascii_field;helps if your phriendz have good memory
1303547;1445361130;mircea_popescu;something google'll never do worth a crap.
1303548;1445361140;mircea_popescu;helps foremost if variety speak.
1303549;1445361149;mircea_popescu;(note that the question wasn't "in" vs. but yet...)
1303550;1445361173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00052801 = 11.273 BTC [+]
1303551;1445361356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00052801 = 8.105 BTC [+]
1303552;1445361482;ascii_field;http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1002.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/0FPGSGH
1303553;1445361491;assbot;dpaste: 0FPGSGH: got HW crypto? On the (in)security of a Self-Encrypting Drive series ... ( http://bit.ly/1jRRD7M )
1303554;1445361604;ascii_field;(lolzy. built-in key generated at factory; other key is entered through a winblowz proggy!)
1303555;1445361750;mircea_popescu;heh
1303556;1445361905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112310 @ 0.00053876 = 60.5081 BTC [+] {9} 
1303557;1445361913;deedbot-;[Trilema] Carnita... - http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/
1303558;1445361914;ascii_field;and as if this were not enough,
1303559;1445361916;ascii_field;'Comparing this plot to 10000 4-byte values retrieved from /dev/urandom ( Figure 6 ), gives us a strong
1303560;1445361916;ascii_field;hint that the RNG of the JMS583S is not cryptographically safe, showing clear patterns in Figure 4.'
1303561;1445361931;mircea_popescu;ahahaha kk
1303562;1445362123;ascii_field;see, i am at a loss here as to the logic.
1303563;1445362156;ascii_field;it is one thing to subtly, secretly sabotage a thing.
1303564;1445362173;mircea_popescu;there isn't a logic in that sense
1303565;1445362185;ascii_field;it is another where it is encrusted with so many mines, of such variety, that you can hardly make out what the thing was (a bridge? a railroad ? what?)
1303566;1445362224;mircea_popescu;this is how nature works
1303567;1445362263;ascii_field;aha. the trees do not get together and decide 'there is room for three oaks'
1303568;1445362298;mircea_popescu;quite.
1303569;1445362307;mircea_popescu;or "it would make sense for the ivy to be over there"
1303570;1445362381;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: 'And it is because the real estate prices in Beijing etc have made it so that young women are unaffordable.' << what does this mean?
1303571;1445362394;ascii_field;they are not shipped in from mars, no. so how is it that 'they are unaffordable' ?
1303572;1445362395;mircea_popescu;which part ?
1303573;1445362454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00052834 = 8.1364 BTC [-]
1303574;1445362477;ascii_field;how does it work? politburo hoards all the womenz ?
1303575;1445362481;mircea_popescu;ah. suppose you have 10k soviet fuckholes, and 11k dudes want one. 10k dudes pay 10k per fuckhole each, and spend the time alternatively fucking the hole and laughing at the 1k.
1303576;1445362498;mircea_popescu;suppose they're 10k american fuckholes. 11k dudes want one, on which basis 100k more dudes are made to think they want one
1303577;1445362518;mircea_popescu;3k people pay 1.5mn each per fuckhole, have no time to do anything but run arround trying to service the 2.8mn they owe
1303578;1445362529;mircea_popescu;207k people sit around depressed because no fuckhole.
1303579;1445362531;mircea_popescu;see ?
1303580;1445362542;ascii_field;to whom do they pay ?
1303581;1445362552;mircea_popescu;to ibm.
1303582;1445362559;mircea_popescu;what "pay" ? money doesn't enter into this.
1303583;1445362565;mircea_popescu;money is not a THING
1303584;1445362573;mircea_popescu;they... just... pay.
1303585;1445362610;ascii_field;so this is more like the 'pay' you pay in auschwitz, work until you drop with the hope that you get moved down, and not up, in the chimney queue ?
1303586;1445362634;ascii_field;and the gurlz play the equivalent of the role of chocolate bars ?
1303587;1445362638;mircea_popescu;i guess so
1303588;1445362638;ascii_field;(or cigs)
1303589;1445362685;mircea_popescu;notably, the 10k fuckholes aren't "more valuable" in either scenario. they ARE however LESS UTILIZED in the second.
1303590;1445362693;mircea_popescu;so in the only sane paradigm, the latter is actually more impoverished.
1303591;1445362707;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, in the "value is what people want" paradigm, the former is incredibly poor.
1303592;1445362719;ascii_field;thing is, a situation like this is impossible without barbed wire & guards (in one form or another)
1303593;1445362724;mircea_popescu;not so.
1303594;1445362728;mircea_popescu;people are stupid for free.
1303595;1445362734;ascii_field;who prevents the utilization ?
1303596;1445362741;mircea_popescu;barbed wire and guns are more of a sign that things are improving than anything.
1303597;1445362744;ascii_field;if the resource is not actually scarce
1303598;1445362749;mircea_popescu;be worried when no barbed wire and guns, like the us 60s.
1303599;1445362754;mircea_popescu;stupidity.
1303600;1445362771;mircea_popescu;why aren't you all the things you aren't doing, like putting your cock in the mouth of girl sitting across the table ?
1303601;1445362779;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303602;1445362780;mircea_popescu;didn't see any barbed wire voalettes
1303603;1445362793;ascii_field;barbed wire largely works on the expectation.
1303604;1445362801;mircea_popescu;no. barbed wire does nto work, period.
1303605;1445362813;mircea_popescu;it is there to JUSTIFY one's own lassitude, even as that becomes socially inacceptable.
1303606;1445362828;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? it doesn't DO anything. it's there so the fucktards can BLAME IT for who they are.
1303607;1445362838;mircea_popescu;like the people who "stayed in statal employment" cca 1992.
1303608;1445362853;mircea_popescu;who exactly kept them there ? why not go into business ? work for businessmen ?\
1303609;1445362862;mircea_popescu;"best be safe". sure. "barbed wire" aha.
1303610;1445362889;mircea_popescu;barbed wire, like "nuclear weapons" scl is a TOTEM.
1303611;1445362898;mircea_popescu;infantry cuts through it faster than infantry can deploy it, think about that.
1303612;1445362939;ascii_field;this works because infantry is a machine (yes) not man. i.e. soldier hasn't the choice of 'i don't feel like it'
1303613;1445362953;mircea_popescu;more importantly - soldier doesn't havfe the choice of "i'm too good for this"
1303614;1445362958;ascii_field;so he is really still boxed in by 'barbed wire' - just not the wire you see in front of him
1303615;1445362972;mircea_popescu;the notion of freedom you carry most closely approximates death.
1303616;1445362975;ascii_field;soldier is in no sense the example of 'man impervious to wire'
1303617;1445362982;ascii_field;if he were, he would shoot own officer & go pirating.
1303618;1445362990;mircea_popescu;but pirating is no different.
1303619;1445363007;thestringpuller;I was under the impression a soldier is nothing more than a political tool.
1303620;1445363020;thestringpuller;That is, a soldier's only purpose is to "complete the mission".
1303621;1445363103;mircea_popescu;anyway, it is strictly possible soldier actually believes in the war and his side. there's nothing wrong with this.
1303622;1445363160;ascii_field;obligatory...
1303623;1445363161;ascii_field;'One of the essential experiences of war is never being able to escape from disgusting smells of human origin. Latrines are an overworked subject in war literature, and I would not mention them if it were not that the latrine in our barracks did its necessary bit towards puncturing my own illusions about the Spanish civil war. The Latin type of latrine, at which you have to squat, is bad enough at its best, but these were
1303624;1445363161;ascii_field;made of some kind of polished stone so slippery that it was all you could do to keep on your feet. In addition they were always blocked. Now I have plenty of other disgusting things in my memory, but I believe it was these latrines that first brought home to me the thought, so often to recur: ‘Here we are, soldiers of a revolutionary army, defending Democracy against Fascism, fighting a war which is about something, an
1303625;1445363163;ascii_field;d the detail of our lives is just as sordid and degrading as it could be in prison, let alone in a bourgeois army.’ Many other things reinforced this impression later; for instance, the boredom and animal hunger of trench life, the squalid intrigues over scraps of food, the mean, nagging quarrels which people exhausted by lack of sleep indulge in.'
1303626;1445363176;ascii_field;(mr o)
1303627;1445363187;mircea_popescu;mr o never was a soldier,\
1303628;1445363195;mircea_popescu;and i would suspect he was never intimate with a woman, either.
1303629;1445363207;ascii_field;in most people's understanding of the profession - he was a soldier.
1303630;1445363214;mircea_popescu;and had sex, sure.
1303631;1445363231;ascii_field;so now 'that wasn't soldiering' and 'that wasn't sex' ?
1303632;1445363242;ascii_field;i thought it was ~my~ job to mystificate like this!
1303633;1445363252;mircea_popescu;soldiering it was, but his protestations make it obvious he didn't reallyt have any business there.
1303634;1445363280;ascii_field;this was true of perhaps all but a handful of folks on eastern front
1303635;1445363293;mircea_popescu;see, all the other dudes are there for whatever reasons - he's there because of who he wants to be. "the sort of guy who fights in the civil war - if only the latrines weren't barbed wired"
1303636;1445363308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00054114 = 9.2535 BTC [+] {3} 
1303637;1445363314;ascii_field;a good number of people were there for identical reason as mr o
1303638;1445363316;mircea_popescu;and he wants a girl - if only the women would understand how great a sense of humor he has.
1303639;1445363336;mircea_popescu;sense of humor, you know ? there's a reason all the frustrated dudes on forums picked this from a sea of random crap.
1303640;1445363356;mircea_popescu;sense of humor. aka faux hipster irony. in other words, a facility with the faux.
1303641;1445363363;mircea_popescu;i wonder why women don't dig in!
1303642;1445363365;ascii_field;^ now this never made any sense to me
1303643;1445363385;ascii_field;i suspect there is a 'cargo cult' aspect - they can see other people laugh, and say 'i could also laugh!'
1303644;1445363390;mircea_popescu;and sure, a bunch of boys get married because who they want to be.
1303645;1445363396;mircea_popescu;it is generally hoped that in this they also BECOME
1303646;1445363401;mircea_popescu;mr o didn't, best i can tell.
1303647;1445363422;ascii_field;become ?
1303648;1445363427;mircea_popescu;yes.
1303649;1445363448;ascii_field;this is why we disagree on 'them fools think they're too good'
1303650;1445363462;ascii_field;mr o did not think he were 'too good.' he tried to become a limonov. and failed.
1303651;1445363489;ascii_field;ergo honesty is better - if you are constitutionally unsuited to being limonov, be someone else
1303652;1445363491;mircea_popescu;the irony here, true, unadorned irony of the greek sort, is that the champion of the faux, out of a misguided desire for authenticity metastasized out of his own problems with the faux and handles thereof, stuck to the infantile version instead of individuating into the adult.
1303653;1445363529;mircea_popescu;the big secret being that juveniles have no soul. they're not individuals, they're the zerg creep.
1303654;1445363547;mircea_popescu;they individuate out of this, maybe, into adulthood. ironically, adults are apparently a lot more similar than the adolsecents are.
1303655;1445363556;ascii_field;(although limonov is prolly not the metric here, as he was almost entirely the same animal as orwell - complete with 'ritual' visit to a war, even got to fire a rifle, yes! cummed in his pants)
1303656;1445363562;mircea_popescu;this could, apparently, be misinterpreted as a reduction of individuality. but it'd take a teen to make the mistake.
1303657;1445363612;ascii_field;how is this a mistake?
1303658;1445363638;ascii_field;when ben franklin wrote that 'most people die at 25 but aren't buried till 75' he was describing a very real thing.
1303659;1445363654;mircea_popescu;hehehe. mno.
1303660;1445363708;mircea_popescu;lemme see if you ever had this experience. was it ever the case that you enjoyed a product, only to be confronted with some idiot enjoying the same product for the "wrong reasons" ?
1303661;1445363724;ascii_field;like microscope-hammer ?
1303662;1445363733;ascii_field;e.g., bitcoin ?
1303663;1445363760;mircea_popescu;suppose you like cohiba because it tastes good, and you're at a party and this chick you used to fuck DELIBERATELY introduces her current derp, who goes on a rant about how he loves cohiba and did you see that commercial ? maks him feel like who he really is!11
1303664;1445363780;mircea_popescu;and there she is, the cat, with her smile that deserves a caning just for that. she knows what she's doing, quite exactly. so what now ?
1303665;1445363796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24558 @ 0.00052641 = 12.9276 BTC [-] {6} 
1303666;1445363819;ascii_field;my garbage collector kicks in long before i can get to this point.
1303667;1445363824;mircea_popescu;mine doesn't.
1303668;1445363837;mircea_popescu;so : we can sit right here and smoke the same cigar for different reasons altogether.
1303669;1445363842;mircea_popescu;SEEMINGLY a reduction in individuality.
1303670;1445363847;ascii_field;how ?
1303671;1445363851;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, individuality is not a matter of appearance.
1303672;1445363851;ascii_field;there are not so many cigars
1303673;1445363861;mircea_popescu;because to the adolescent it seems like the same thing.
1303674;1445363867;ascii_field;everybody is stuck smoking it for different reasons
1303675;1445363872;mircea_popescu;life, also.
1303676;1445363902;ascii_field;everyone pushes same buttons, but for different reasons...
1303677;1445363910;ascii_field;this seems blindingly obvious
1303678;1445363920;mircea_popescu;quite. and how much of one's passion with rare keyboards is driven by a fear of this issue ?
1303679;1445363931;ascii_field;personally - zero
1303680;1445363941;mircea_popescu;but you see how this'd work.
1303681;1445363946;ascii_field;to the point that just about everyone i know in meatspace bought what i had...
1303682;1445363960;ascii_field;and you'd say i am supposed to react to that ..?
1303683;1445363961;mircea_popescu;so imo, franklin was speaking of a different thing.
1303684;1445363989;mircea_popescu;<ascii_field> how is this a mistake? << see there. i don't say such.
1303685;1445364014;ascii_field;(i am told there is actually a subculture of 'hipster keyboards' but they are not collecting 1980s workhorses but actual oddity art objects, of mahogany, ...)
1303686;1445364031;mircea_popescu;what franklin spoke of was a different time. a time when adulthood was unavoidable, and as such lazy people simply succumbed to the hollow form. "hey, if no kid can tell me from any other adult, why bother."
1303687;1445364055;mircea_popescu;"i just work here."
1303688;1445364059;ascii_field;and now it is avoidable ?
1303689;1445364066;mircea_popescu;quite avoidable.
1303690;1445364095;ascii_field;how?
1303691;1445364099;ascii_field;for a rockefeller kid, perhaps
1303692;1445364102;ascii_field;but for plebe?
1303693;1445364137;ascii_field;he 'grows up', which means he no longer wakes up and thinks 'what shall i do to amuse myself' but 'off to the salt mine' and when comes home 'what do i eat and have i enough spare change?' and then tired, and then again a day of living death
1303694;1445364141;mircea_popescu;just like that, go to school, take a job that's "not the real you", on it goes.
1303695;1445364164;ascii_field;is auschwitz man 'the real him' ?
1303696;1445364171;ascii_field;or is there something under the stripes
1303697;1445364174;ascii_field;that might be let out ?
1303698;1445364186;mircea_popescu;adolescence is not childhood. the child wakes up with what SEEMS "what shall i do to amuse himself", except to him it';s a dealdy grind.
1303699;1445364200;mircea_popescu;but the adolescent wakes up with "i wonder what insane demands will my chosen identity put on me THIS TIME"
1303700;1445364210;ascii_field;i never did or saw either
1303701;1445364212;mircea_popescu;there's good reason adolescents hate waking up
1303702;1445364267;mircea_popescu;obviously everyone at auschwitz thought it temporary.
1303703;1445364281;ascii_field;one way or another - it was..
1303704;1445364299;mircea_popescu;heh.
1303705;1445364330;ascii_field;the folks who came to think that 'this is the real me now' threw themselves on the wire
1303706;1445364343;mircea_popescu;ironically, auschwitz has a LOT more in common with the "boost self esteem" version of us schools than with actual education.
1303707;1445364353;mircea_popescu;it was in fact exactly the same : an exercise in esteem engineering.
1303708;1445364372;mircea_popescu;as a result, no amount of pain suffering or violence could have matured the individual. on the contrary - it drove infantilization.
1303709;1445364421;mircea_popescu;meanwhile you don't even need much caning to get a willing slave into a sane head space.
1303710;1445364437;mircea_popescu;caning. what's that even ? barely noticeable biologically.
1303711;1445364437;ascii_field;because you cheated by using a willing slave to begin with
1303712;1445364446;mircea_popescu;always cheat.
1303713;1445364467;mircea_popescu;if your solution does not include cheating what even makes you think it's a solution at all!
1303714;1445364468;shinohai;Your enemy sure as hell cheats.
1303715;1445364480;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: recall our conversation re: wunderwaffen ?
1303716;1445364483;ascii_field;same idea.
1303717;1445364491;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1303718;1445364506;ascii_field;'a proper solution includes cheating'
1303719;1445364521;mircea_popescu;ah, aha.
1303720;1445364528;ascii_field;(which is to say, massively disproportionate roi)
1303721;1445364939;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1303722;1445364972;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303723;1445364976;ascii_field;'Another, even better, way that can be executed pre-authentication was found later. In fact, when looking deeper into the firmware code we noticed every time the status VSC is called, the raw RNG bytes are masked with a static value. This static 4-byte value, 0x271828af, is xored with the 4-byte RNG output. Further this value is xored with the last 4-byte SY N value before sending the value to the host computer. Using the
1303724;1445364976;ascii_field;Algorithm 4, we can unmask the 4-byte values returned in a status VSC response to reveal ”raw” RNG bytes from the hardware side. Since this is done pre-authentication, any attacker can generate this from any locked drive.'
1303725;1445364983;ascii_field;^ for fuxxsake
1303726;1445365444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111952 @ 0.00052603 = 58.8901 BTC [-] {3} 
1303727;1445365897;mircea_popescu;heh
1303728;1445366110;gabrielradio;http://pastebin.com/m74CNzNv
1303729;1445366110;assbot;What interests me in a project - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2Ky04 )
1303730;1445366336;gabrielradio;one of the best articles of trilema imho
1303731;1445366380;mircea_popescu;embrayage eh ?
1303732;1445366398;mircea_popescu;from embray. works.
1303733;1445366485;mircea_popescu;" what a hottie of a secretary " << no. pointedly not. what a miracleworker they employ in the front desk.
1303734;1445366579;gabrielradio;oh, i thought it was "buna" in the other sense
1303735;1445366642;ascii_field;'how many connections and interfaces they have for every communication device I would want to use' << l0l, srsly!!? 'come to us, we have thicknet and token ring!!'
1303736;1445366658;ascii_field;did this also get munged in translation?
1303737;1445366762;mircea_popescu;not through any fault of his. it's what the text says, on account of it being written in romanian for romanians.
1303738;1445366775;mircea_popescu;ie, lots of businesses still use paper archival exclusively.
1303739;1445366791;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303740;1445366835;mircea_popescu;also lots of proprietary gunk. "stop sending docx, it is NOT USEFUL"
1303741;1445366843;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: rumour has it there are still usg facilities that have problems with the newfangled electric things. fbi headquarters (the brutalist monster death start in washington) has, i'm told, ethernet snakes on the floor
1303742;1445366856;ascii_field;*death star
1303743;1445366858;mircea_popescu;so do i.
1303744;1445366885;ascii_field;i mean, ones hundreds of metres long
1303745;1445366892;ascii_field;the sort that one normally stuffs behind drywall
1303746;1445366930;mircea_popescu;i don't need any cable where i can't see it nor anything but cable tyvm.
1303747;1445366947;ascii_field;mircea_popescu's flat must be a very merry place
1303748;1445366953;ascii_field;no raised floor even ?
1303749;1445366959;mircea_popescu;no raised floor.
1303750;1445366993;mircea_popescu;i guess i gotta show this now
1303751;1445367005;thestringpuller;how do the slave girls not trip over the wires?
1303752;1445367014;mircea_popescu;jumprope in heels.
1303753;1445367025;ascii_field;thestringpuller: if i had to guess - he nails'em to the wall, as i do
1303754;1445367033;mircea_popescu;nope.
1303755;1445367048;ascii_field;to the ceiling ?
1303756;1445367107;mircea_popescu;ok ima take some pics a sec
1303757;1445367774;mircea_popescu;ascii_field http://trilema.com/2015/a-tale-of-two-breakfasts-or-the-whores-broth/
1303758;1445367775;assbot;A Tale of Two Breakfasts, or, The Whore's Broth on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W2MtlA )
1303759;1445367775;mircea_popescu;see ?
1303760;1445367816;ascii_field;what's this
1303761;1445367951;mircea_popescu;my floor.
1303762;1445367964;mircea_popescu;no cables. see ?
1303763;1445367967;ascii_field;aha.
1303764;1445367976;ascii_field;l0l cisco box. mircea_popescu took it off a dead nazi, or what.
1303765;1445368000;mircea_popescu;:D
1303766;1445368029;mircea_popescu;i had the fucking box packed specially for a monitor lifter.
1303767;1445368050;mircea_popescu;exactly the right height. all the useful engineering cisco ever did.
1303768;1445368059;ascii_field;l0lz
1303769;1445368170;ascii_field;looks not so different from my desk, except that i can't bring myself to eat there
1303770;1445368212;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b44
1303771;1445368213;mircea_popescu;oh, i didn;t eat it there. i was just mixing it as we had the discussion.
1303772;1445368320;ascii_field;didn't expect to see a spaniard kbd
1303773;1445368493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40850 @ 0.00053509 = 21.8584 BTC [+]
1303774;1445368655;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/09/jay-z_is_a_genius.html << this shit is beautiful.
1303775;1445368656;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Jay-Z Is A Genius ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxOSpg )
1303776;1445368664;mircea_popescu;He's dressing himself in red lines, tempting you to see if they're real or not.
1303777;1445368665;mircea_popescu;If you are tempted to look more deeply (if you're watching it, it's for you)-- like the smitten girl does-- you'd see this appearance first, then through it: "if you got to know him, you'd see he's really a...!" And then you'd pat yourself on the back for having intellectual courage to not judge by appearances! But you've been fooled by the commercial art illusion, thinking that because you saw through the illusion, th
1303778;1445368665;mircea_popescu;erefore the deeper level must be authentic.
1303779;1445368666;mircea_popescu;Those who don't come to it from exactly the right perspective are infuriated, "this guy is a douchebag!" You think you see something more real than she does, but you aren't supposed to see more deeply-- she is. You are supposed to be infuriated-- that's why she looks more deeply. She doesn't like him, she likes what liking him says about her. She likes what your hating him says about her.
1303780;1445368671;mircea_popescu;"How the hell come she can't see through this poser?" She does see through it, you don't. She sees something fake, then something "real" underneath, and falls for him; you see something fake, stop there, and hate him.
1303781;1445368674;mircea_popescu;That's exactly what he wanted, both times.
1303782;1445368676;mircea_popescu;the meaning of "red lines" to be found in the article previous to the quote.
1303783;1445368679;mircea_popescu;but he's EXACTLY right.
1303784;1445368702;mircea_popescu;he could have a ball ravishing teenagers. in fact, possibly the blog hiatus is the direct result of his having figured this out
1303785;1445368757;deedbot-;[Trilema] A Tale of Two Breakfasts, or, The Whore's Broth - http://trilema.com/2015/a-tale-of-two-breakfasts-or-the-whores-broth/
1303786;1445368794;mircea_popescu;!up funkenstein_
1303787;1445368805;funkenstein_;thanks :)
1303788;1445368824;funkenstein_;aha i was not missing translation, just ignorant
1303789;1445368837;funkenstein_;big lurch was not an allegory, but a real rapper..  thanks ;)
1303790;1445368849;mircea_popescu;;)
1303791;1445368916;funkenstein_;as to the youtube vid stuff, who knows maybe Mark Dice has some worthwhile stuff
1303792;1445368928;funkenstein_;seems like more of an Alex Jones than an Rem� Gaillard
1303793;1445368949;mircea_popescu;who even knows. my lack of time/patience for teh youtube is certainly to my detriment
1303794;1445369079;funkenstein_;the guy wrote a "resistance manifesto" a decade or so ago
1303795;1445369086;mircea_popescu;alex jones ?
1303796;1445369112;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303797;1445369114;ascii_field;!s crank bait
1303798;1445369116;assbot;29 results for 'crank bait' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=crank+bait
1303799;1445369124;funkenstein_;Mark Dice
1303800;1445369144;funkenstein_;crank bait seems likely :)
1303801;1445369229;funkenstein_;a quick scan shows a lot of references to Christianity and Satan
1303802;1445369242;mircea_popescu;is the guy notable other than "forced youtube to undo a ban" ?
1303803;1445369262;funkenstein_;i had never heard of him but hey, I also hadn't heard of Big Lurch
1303804;1445369296;mircea_popescu;nobody heard of big lurch, kinda the point.
1303805;1445369957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00053279 = 24.535 BTC [-] {3} 
1303806;1445370079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15258 @ 0.00053593 = 8.1772 BTC [+] {3} 
1303807;1445370118;ascii_field;'The MD is always 16 bytes here because it's always MD5.'
1303808;1445370124;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: guess from where.
1303809;1445370130;mircea_popescu;hw "crypto" ?
1303810;1445370138;ascii_field;gpg 1.4.10.
1303811;1445370146;ascii_field;g10/seskey.c
1303812;1445370148;mircea_popescu;agagaga wut
1303813;1445370153;ascii_field;have phun.
1303814;1445370157;mircea_popescu;oh the session keys. myeah.
1303815;1445370172;ascii_field;the pkcs1, yes.
1303816;1445370178;ascii_field;used for all ops.
1303817;1445370212;mircea_popescu;not depended on tho. but yes.
1303818;1445370216;mircea_popescu;https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x209.html << for extra lulz.
1303819;1445370217;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jS4uqq )
1303820;1445370218;mircea_popescu;"concepts".
1303821;1445370242;mircea_popescu;"In PGP and GnuPG, the public-key cipher is probably the weaker of the pair. Fortunately, however, if an attacker could decrypt a session key it would only be useful for reading the one message encrypted with that session key. The attacker would have to start over and decrypt another session key in order to read any other message."
1303822;1445370325;ascii_field;interestingly, rfc3447 (section a.2.4) allows other hashes, up to sha512
1303823;1445370330;ascii_field;but gpg went with md5.
1303824;1445370347;mircea_popescu;coincidentally, im sure.
1303825;1445370811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00053606 = 10.882 BTC [+]
1303826;1445370994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29053 @ 0.00053279 = 15.4791 BTC [-]
1303827;1445371036;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1303828;1445371193;mircea_popescu;"But I want to be a ladies man like Don Draper.  Back then it was easier, because affairs were more acceptable."
1303829;1445371193;mircea_popescu;No they weren't.  Leaving aside morality, cheating on your wife means that you haven't fully connected to her, or have lost some of that connection.  You don't have to be Don Draper to pull that off.   "Well, I want to be as suave as he is, I want to pick up girls like he can."  It's the same disconnectedness.  You could do it, too,  then you'll lose the ability to be deeply connected to someone.  You can't do both sim
1303830;1445371193;mircea_popescu;ultaneously.
1303831;1445371194;mircea_popescu;ahgagaga.
1303832;1445371203;mircea_popescu;and why not ? "because it wouldn't be fair to the working man" ?
1303833;1445371335;mircea_popescu;"we're all equal and equally the same and thus therefore clearly - either the H binds to another H or to the end of a C or to something wait, C doesn't exist. EVERYONE HAS ONE VALENCE AND THE WORLD IS MADE OF HYDROGEN"
1303834;1445371353;mircea_popescu;sure gramps. early history called, they need you back there three seconds after the big bang.
1303835;1445371552;deedbot-;[Trilema] Here's what you don't know or understand about Facebook : everything. - http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
1303836;1445371665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28697 @ 0.0005292 = 15.1865 BTC [-]
1303837;1445374410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.0005359 = 3.9657 BTC [+]
1303838;1445374532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.0005318 = 16.1135 BTC [-] {3} 
1303839;1445374776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00053787 = 28.4533 BTC [+] {5} 
1303840;1445375098;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IUl7n7PaaY
1303841;1445375099;assbot;JJ DOOM-Banished (Beck Remix) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1M69BAg )
1303842;1445375207;punkman;http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/ << hah
1303843;1445375208;assbot;Here's what you don't know or understand about Facebook : everything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M69PXV )
1303844;1445376763;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303845;1445376791;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303835 << what are we looking at, in that pic ?
1303846;1445376791;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 20:05:52; deedbot-: [Trilema] Here's what you don't know or understand about Facebook : everything. - http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
1303847;1445376844;mircea_popescu;the other b-a
1303848;1445376868;ascii_field;don't recall any dark-skinned folk in that b-a
1303849;1445376873;mircea_popescu;or, if you prefer, a transcript of the chicken coop session on "things and the world"
1303850;1445376878;ascii_field;(except for a few airplane pilots)
1303851;1445376890;mircea_popescu;nono. the other forum, where stupid people talk.
1303852;1445376895;ascii_field;Ah
1303853;1445376911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0005306 = 16.4486 BTC [-] {3} 
1303854;1445376920;mircea_popescu;it's not even a written medium, not really.
1303855;1445376926;ascii_field;live from the sewercamz?
1303856;1445376946;mircea_popescu;except nobody calls them that. live from SOCIAL MEDIA.
1303857;1445376948;mircea_popescu;the real one.
1303858;1445376951;ascii_field;incidentally you can get very spiffy endoscope, 10 or more metres cable, for 20 or so usd
1303859;1445376956;ascii_field;put in sewer.
1303860;1445376961;ascii_field;anywhere.
1303861;1445376984;mircea_popescu;bring surveillance state to rats, too ?
1303862;1445376995;mircea_popescu;problem is rats are a lot smarter than their human counterparts. they're immune.
1303863;1445377033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36224 @ 0.000529 = 19.1625 BTC [-] {3} 
1303864;1445377066;ascii_field;immune?
1303865;1445377115;mircea_popescu;yes. you can surveillance them until you fall over, they're gonna do whatever they did before.
1303866;1445377126;ascii_field;ah
1303867;1445377129;ascii_field;in that sense - yes.
1303868;1445377132;mircea_popescu;you can run a bunch of tv specials about "ratcism", they're still gonna do exactly what they did before
1303869;1445377133;mircea_popescu;etc.
1303870;1445377146;mircea_popescu;0 feedback, which puts them WAY ahead of what your AVERAGE human being achieves.
1303871;1445377239;deedbot-;[Qntra] Former GAW Supporters Promote Perpetual Energy Scam - http://qntra.net/2015/10/former-gaw-supporters-promote-perpetual-energy-scam/
1303872;1445377259;ascii_field;l0l!!!
1303873;1445377261;ascii_field;steorn!
1303874;1445377263;ascii_field;still exists!
1303875;1445377277;ascii_field;that's gotta be some kind of longevity record..
1303876;1445377285;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1303877;1445377290;ascii_field;it isn't in any sense 'new' either
1303878;1445377314;mircea_popescu;you see the irony of PERPETUAL energy scam ?
1303879;1445377377;BingoBoingo;<ascii_field> it isn't in any sense 'new' either << New is failed Altcoin scammers resorting to it
1303880;1445377467;ascii_field;BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, other aficionados: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-XL1201-LISP-MACHINE-/221915599560
1303881;1445377468;assbot;RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5xwJO )
1303882;1445377486;ascii_field;^ this is the box amex used to keep entire dc of
1303883;1445377493;ascii_field;(fraud detector heuristic)
1303884;1445377527;BingoBoingo;Very cool
1303885;1445377568;mircea_popescu;"In keeping with this development, sometime in the future cord bloods will be taken routinely from birth and used to delineate the individual's DNA so that genetic information will be readily available under emergency conditions to assure proper assessment of violent people. Hence, a patient presenting with an episode of violence and a history to support that will have their DNA contrasted with norms to determine if th
1303886;1445377568;mircea_popescu;ey have a predisposition to aggression and violence..."
1303887;1445377601;mircea_popescu;this from a study on shit, that doesn't even halfway hold up to any sort of scrutiny : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/more_on_amygdala_anxiety_and_m.html
1303888;1445377603;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: More On Amygdala, Anxiety, and MRIs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Go8xVD )
1303889;1445377615;mircea_popescu;but as he points out, "we've agreed, it's just what's done".
1303890;1445377679;mircea_popescu;the "humanist" war on humanity continues.
1303891;1445377745;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at sanity ranch : punch an enlightened douchebag today. the fact Maya Angelou, diane keaton, Nancy Reagan et all haven't died with a cock shaped icepick through their eyes is bad enough.
1303892;1445377751;ascii_field;their eternal fantasy is, unsurprisingly, 100% yield of homo redditicus ~at birth~.
1303893;1445377775;mircea_popescu;the eternal fantasy is, "omnivore basically means herbivore, rite ?"
1303894;1445377780;ascii_field;aha.
1303895;1445377806;mircea_popescu;kinda why it's so important to rape and kill them.
1303896;1445377820;mircea_popescu;rape, for the wails, kill, for the evolutionary considerations.
1303897;1445377985;ascii_field;to borrow from old west, 'ain't room enough in town for the both of'em' - the humanist and humanity, that is.
1303898;1445378080;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, there's no room in attention for the thing and its copy, which is why isms are for the stupid and the poor.
1303899;1445378085;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303871   <<< BadBitcoin "threatened" to ruin me on twitter for pointing out their support for GAW.
1303900;1445378085;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 21:40:39; deedbot-: [Qntra] Former GAW Supporters Promote Perpetual Energy Scam - http://qntra.net/2015/10/former-gaw-supporters-promote-perpetual-energy-scam/
1303901;1445378096;shinohai;It resulted in a block. I'm scared.
1303902;1445378102;mircea_popescu;what's that supposed to mean shinohai ?
1303903;1445378129;mircea_popescu;lolk/
1303904;1445378245;shinohai;I dunno, I tweeted something some time ago about them being no better than scammers for their support of GAW, they threatened to have me removed from twitter, etc.
1303905;1445378300;mircea_popescu;no but i mean, "ruin you on twitter".
1303906;1445378311;mircea_popescu;whassat ? por favor deje su "amen".
1303907;1445378340;shinohai;I'm at a loss on that one too. Not like I can't just make another friggin account, or that I even care what they think, etc.
1303908;1445378346;mircea_popescu;oh right right, i guess im ruined in fetlife (bdsm ?) because they banned some random people just in case we were connected. lolk.
1303909;1445378356;shinohai;De verdad no se, son imbeciles.
1303910;1445378460;thestringpuller;When did facebook /wind 17
1303911;1445378468;mircea_popescu;aaand ethereum is back to doing it's 10% a day loss dance. 0.00166 now
1303912;1445378473;thestringpuller;>:(
1303913;1445378535;ascii_field;http://i.imgur.com/uHx2JS2.gifv
1303914;1445378536;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5BIcx )
1303915;1445378593;mircea_popescu;idiot. somebody really does not understand flow huh ?
1303916;1445378599;ascii_field;aha.
1303917;1445378606;mircea_popescu;what did he THINK was going to happen ?\
1303918;1445378612;ascii_field;think?
1303919;1445378633;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1303920;1445378643;mircea_popescu;"oh, im just going to drive this plow against the fluid front, creating a wave off center and all will be well because..."
1303921;1445378647;ascii_field;thinkin's for them eggheads. the spartan - speaks with his truck!
1303922;1445378652;mircea_popescu;ahok.
1303923;1445378676;mircea_popescu;this spartan drunk with his truck.
1303924;1445378728;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-Y7MAASkg
1303925;1445378729;assbot;Eagles - Get Over It (With Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoazFh )
1303926;1445378785;jurov;^ i can nominate it to b-a anthem
1303927;1445378833;ascii_field;i thought we already had, horst wessel
1303928;1445378844;ascii_field;or am i confusing with pete_dushenski's eagle.
1303929;1445378871;jurov;eh, pete's trying to paint us fourth reich or whatevs
1303930;1445378919;mircea_popescu;mostly unrelated, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ab8bf534fd82e83da51ab0afbaf2b078/tumblr_nd3ggsc8Rq1tlw46uo1_500.gif
1303931;1445378920;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1GoaQIw )
1303932;1445378991;ascii_field;l0l, so fond of back door!
1303933;1445379025;mircea_popescu;im trying to cater to both heterosexual and homosexual prurient interest.
1303934;1445379051;ascii_field;'we'll make trucks over five tonnes switch sides first!'
1303935;1445379057;mircea_popescu;:D
1303936;1445379083;mircea_popescu;but it is seriously teh traditional panacea for female/passive element of youthful complexion with midrif sores.
1303937;1445379085;mircea_popescu;"get over it".
1303938;1445379091;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's where the thing got started.
1303939;1445379193;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.97990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b47
1303940;1445379289;jurov;mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint you, male model isn't more fully visible
1303941;1445379301;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1303942;1445379374;jurov;maybe it's just me but i don't like porn zooming all in to genitalia and spending minutes there, especially in this time of huge HD screens
1303943;1445379381;jurov;and the pic is halfway there
1303944;1445379426;mircea_popescu;omaigawd you watch pr0n like a girl. what do you want next, fucking scents ? feelings ? CONTEXT ???
1303945;1445379487;mircea_popescu;the hd is there so you can see what a good job the bikini wax salon did on her perineal raphe.
1303946;1445379565;mircea_popescu;(idle thought : if internet porn "objectifies women" / "contains experts", where's all the articles expertly discussing the relative value of a whorl on said raphe ? what do you think, do women with twin hairline do better in bed than the normal (single line) ?
1303947;1445379631;mircea_popescu;where's the whole whorl - and - sexuality discussion anyway!
1303948;1445379653;ascii_field;in the same shangri-la as the little vs big-endian debates.
1303949;1445379680;mircea_popescu;no. those actually happened.
1303950;1445379682;mircea_popescu;this did not.
1303951;1445379780;mircea_popescu;(but, to keep things sophisticated - the raphe is more visible in males than in females ; also males lack a penis bone, much like the horse lacks a clavicle. it has been suggested that THIS is what the adam rib story is all about - god took man's penis bone and left a cvasi-scar.)
1303952;1445380144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38854 @ 0.00052679 = 20.4679 BTC [-]
1303953;1445380361;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/the_neurobiology_of_wisdom.html << this shit's epic. "Note that they dropped the "Saint."  Meanwhile, there's no problem referring, a few sentences later, to Gandhi as "Mahatma."  That's okay, because no educated person actually thinks Gandhi is a saint, but there are still plenty of numbskulls who need to be reminded that  Aquinas isn't."
1303954;1445380362;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Neurobiology of Wisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmE0qs )
1303955;1445380448;mircea_popescu;the trully horrid Meeks and Jeste "study" on "wisdom" and that fucktard Henry Nasrallah's repackaging of the same are splendid anecdotal points to drive this entire "the difference between a libertard and a religious bigot is that the religious bigot is actually anachronistic, and in this sense MORE CULTURALLY ADVANCED."
1303956;1445380462;mircea_popescu;that's right : voting obama is NOT more advanced than being a redneck. it is LESS so.
1303957;1445380998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25658 @ 0.00052679 = 13.5164 BTC [-]
1303958;1445381608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8668 @ 0.000533 = 4.62 BTC [+]
1303959;1445382044;deedbot-;[Qntra] Illinois and Pennsylvania Credit Ratings Lowered - http://qntra.net/2015/10/illinois-and-pennsylvania-credit-ratings-lowered/
1303960;1445382076;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.59950000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b48
1303961;1445382148;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/ << from which we find that the twinklederps are about half as interesting as nascarface derp.
1303962;1445382149;assbot;BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1W34G2i )
1303963;1445382258;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1303964;1445382435;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303087 << elizabeth banks is painful to watch. obnoxious as all hell, insufficiently sexy, and now getting long in the tooth.
1303965;1445382435;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 00:11:51; mircea_popescu: Zack & Miri Make a Porno
1303966;1445382481;mircea_popescu;verily.
1303967;1445382530;pete_dushenski;oh well, good thing bellucci is still makes movies i guess
1303968;1445382544;mircea_popescu;just how much flan can a person eat!
1303969;1445382559;pete_dushenski;haven't seen a movie in theatres in a few months, thinking the new bond flick will break the seal.
1303970;1445382679;BingoBoingo;I'm surprised how little marketing it has gotten
1303971;1445382752;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303146 << who wants to play alaric ?
1303972;1445382752;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 01:07:48; mircea_popescu: so so very 400 ad.
1303973;1445382779;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo how'd you know ? i sure wouldn't. hardly ever see advertising tbh
1303974;1445382799;pete_dushenski;blocked in browser, none in here, don't pass many billboards, don't hardly watch tv
1303975;1445382814;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That I guess could also be it.
1303976;1445382831;BingoBoingo;Back in 2012 I was exposed to far more of that shit.
1303977;1445382845;pete_dushenski;for all i know pepsi is giving away free blowjobs with every 12-pack
1303978;1445382894;pete_dushenski;or justin trudeau is buying every canadian a phree double-double
1303979;1445382898;pete_dushenski;with red food colouring !
1303980;1445382907;pete_dushenski;with their own money !
1303981;1445382913;pete_dushenski;but for phree !
1303982;1445382930;pete_dushenski;so, yea, canada has a new pm
1303983;1445382966;pete_dushenski;first dynasty, young handsome charmer, because why not put the best of bush and obama into a blender and ship the product up north ?
1303984;1445383000;pete_dushenski;like romanian kids wanted to work for 'international firm', canadians want politicians like usistan has.
1303985;1445383060;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303570 << mega-thread here.
1303986;1445383060;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 17:33:01; ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'And it is because the real estate prices in Beijing etc have made it so that young women are unaffordable.' << what does this mean?
1303987;1445383065;*;pete_dushenski tips cap
1303988;1445383119;mircea_popescu;;P
1303989;1445383225;pete_dushenski;also re-read the essences trifecta on trilema today. i guess it's an expressions and changes kinda day.
1303990;1445383250;phf;<ascii_field> BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, other aficionados: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-XL1201-LISP-MACHINE-/221915599560 << given that prices on symbolics hardware gone 3x in the past five years, i expect that same machine to fetch $40 000 in a year or two
1303991;1445383251;assbot;RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5xwJO )
1303992;1445383257;pete_dushenski;the essences made far more sense than they did whenever i read them last, maybe 6-9 months ago
1303993;1445383290;pete_dushenski;much as tlp is finding new life here, with fresher, more mature eyes
1303994;1445383320;pete_dushenski;phf almost as good as bitcoin, that. just harder to ship.
1303995;1445383348;mircea_popescu;phf and what's this say about inflation ? note that they are artwork in any sense.
1303996;1445383380;BingoBoingo;So coca-cola was the villain this whole time https://archive.is/oRms0
1303997;1445383381;assbot;The obesity paradox: Why Coke is promoting a theory that being fat won’t hurt your health - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1W35X9y )
1303998;1445383382;pete_dushenski;not artwork ?
1303999;1445383414;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1304000;1445383467;pete_dushenski;"note that they are artwork in any sense" sounds funny. like it should either be "not that they are artwork in any sense" or "note that they are NOT artwork in any sense"
1304001;1445383514;pete_dushenski;or "note that they are artwork in every sense"
1304002;1445383551;mircea_popescu;any implies negative ?
1304003;1445383586;pete_dushenski;mya
1304004;1445383622;phf;http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD/321810769726 << was trying to buy this one, got as high as $1100 on best offer, guy wouldn't go any lower then $1400
1304005;1445383624;assbot;RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1OGZLVE )
1304006;1445383690;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303764 << i bet that cisco box contains shrunken heads of usg wreckers
1304007;1445383690;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 19:06:16; ascii_field: l0l cisco box. mircea_popescu took it off a dead nazi, or what.
1304008;1445383697;BingoBoingo;http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance << LolMusk
1304009;1445383698;assbot;Tesla Reliability Doesn’t Match Its High Performance - Consumer Reports ... ( http://bit.ly/1OGZPVo )
1304010;1445383705;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski actually it contains condoms.
1304011;1445383731;pete_dushenski;aha. which reminds me, i need to put that on my grocery list !
1304012;1445383741;BingoBoingo;"The brake rotors tend to warp. And the door handles often fail to �present� themselves as drivers approach their cars."
1304013;1445383759;BingoBoingo;"The main problem areas involved the drivetrain, power equipment, charging equipment, giant iPad-like center console, and body and sunroof squeaks, rattles, and leaks."
1304014;1445383791;mircea_popescu;and speaking of condoms : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213277 can not be underlined enough!11
1304015;1445383791;assbot;Logged on 26-07-2015 17:51:01; mircea_popescu: speaking of condoms... for many years, i was using imported magnums. broke like...i dunno, twenty over a decade ? easily 1%.
1304016;1445383826;BingoBoingo;http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-americas-top-inventor-lowell-wood/
1304017;1445383826;assbot;How an F Student Became America’s Most Prolific Inventor — Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1OH017k )
1304018;1445383828;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sounds pretty bad.
1304019;1445383865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00053412 = 15.0622 BTC [+] {3} 
1304020;1445383868;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's pretty bad compared to my more than a decade old Saturn plastic car
1304021;1445383908;mircea_popescu;mya
1304022;1445383983;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo i have fond memories of those saturnmobiles. some fillies in undergrad had them.
1304023;1445383996;pete_dushenski;which is no knock on them
1304024;1445384011;pete_dushenski;they're pretty funky things
1304025;1445384034;BingoBoingo;Every couple years something expected to wear out wears out, but other than that it's not needed much other than maintenance
1304026;1445384061;pete_dushenski;"Despite the problems, our data show that Tesla owner satisfaction is still very high: Ninety-seven percent of owners said they would definitely buy their car again." << now that's a fucking cult
1304027;1445384088;pete_dushenski;"was raped and beat-up and left for dead. a+++ 10/10 would do again!"
1304028;1445384105;pete_dushenski;priceless
1304029;1445384129;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo that's the mark of an actual car, as opposed to a 'smartphone'
1304030;1445384142;BingoBoingo;I don't get how they can be happy with just a 200 mile range before refilling
1304031;1445384153;phf;i suspect that failures in this case are seen as being on bleeding edge, sort of meta-meta-maker
1304032;1445384161;pete_dushenski;"oh you broke your screen/headlight ? that'll be 3/4 of the cost of a new one."
1304033;1445384202;BingoBoingo;Maximum cost for parts on plasti-saturn is ~$2000 for a donor car in great condition
1304034;1445384224;pete_dushenski;phf lol inb4 3d printer option in-between backseats so kids can 'innovate' while on road trip
1304035;1445384335;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo honestly, my merc is the same story. actually machines. plenty of parts and parts cars. even if, on short notice, clean body panels sometimes come from very, very far afield as seen in http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/20/hey-edmonton-police-service-what-part-of-private-property-dont-you-understand/#footnote_1_5675
1304036;1445384336;assbot;Hey Edmonton Police Service, what part of private property don’t YOU understand? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1W37axz )
1304037;1445384349;phf;some part of car is replaced by a 3d printed equivalent, there's stl models and tutorials on maker.tesla.com, details on how to print your own, spiffier version
1304038;1445384353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00053137 = 21.3345 BTC [-] {3} 
1304039;1445384383;pete_dushenski;but mechanical components are always readily at hand. can only imagine tesla ownership in backwaters such as these
1304040;1445384397;pete_dushenski;phf lulz
1304041;1445384414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00053558 = 12.3719 BTC [+]
1304042;1445384421;pete_dushenski;;;isitup http://maker.tesla.com/
1304043;1445384422;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
1304044;1445384428;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Kinda why if I replace it I am looking at incredibly common compact trucks
1304045;1445384431;pete_dushenski;;;isitdown http://maker.tesla.com/
1304046;1445384432;gribble;http://maker.tesla.com/ is down
1304047;1445384438;pete_dushenski;mkay
1304048;1445384491;mircea_popescu;phf> i suspect that failures in this case are seen as being on bleeding edge, sort of meta-meta-maker << maybe the truth is, the people who buy teslas don't have anywhere to go anyway.
1304049;1445384501;BingoBoingo;But great work on that panel pete_dushenski
1304050;1445384515;mircea_popescu;"here's my very expensive excuse as to why i'm not going out of the house. it's not that im borderline autistic, it's that i save the environment. from myself."
1304051;1445384516;pete_dushenski;cheers :)
1304052;1445384518;phf;whole foods?
1304053;1445384518;mircea_popescu;sounds legit.
1304054;1445384529;mircea_popescu;iirc you order those now, no ?
1304055;1445384566;BingoBoingo;I actually saw a Tesla here driving in backwater exurban town. Have no Idea why.
1304056;1445384575;mircea_popescu;trying to pick up chix ?
1304057;1445384601;phf;i suppose you either amazon it or else "shop local" i.e. within walking/biking distance
1304058;1445384603;BingoBoingo;Mebbe
1304059;1445384612;mircea_popescu;"my other bike is a tesla"
1304060;1445384618;phf;hahah
1304061;1445384625;pete_dushenski;the black tesla i saw at the racquet club yesterday was driven by trophy wife with two kidlets in tow
1304062;1445384630;mircea_popescu;200 miles sounds remarkably like bike range
1304063;1445384649;pete_dushenski;a good bicyclist will do 100 km in a day
1304064;1445384660;BingoBoingo;It is exactly the upper limit of bike range nearly
1304065;1445384666;mircea_popescu;what if you stick his cock in a socket ?
1304066;1445384679;pete_dushenski;100 km is nissan leaf range, give or take.
1304067;1445384714;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu then he loses his trophies for 'juicing'
1304068;1445384728;mircea_popescu;lol
1304069;1445384814;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu then he loses his trophies for 'juicing' << Unless bicycle cop, then promoted
1304070;1445384910;pete_dushenski;the expansion of means and methods of police mobility in just the last decade is pretty astounding.
1304071;1445384919;pete_dushenski;used to be foot or cruiser, that's it.
1304072;1445384970;pete_dushenski;now : foot, car cruiser, truck cruiser, armoured transport, bicycle, segway, and who knows mebbe jetpack
1304073;1445384989;pete_dushenski;oh, i guess helicopter does that eh
1304074;1445385004;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/wolf_blitzer_is_not_an_idiot.html << fucking epic. omfg what would the net be without this guy. quote :
1304075;1445385005;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Wolf Blitzer Is Not An Idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OH1jyV )
1304076;1445385005;mircea_popescu;"What happened is that Wolf was in the middle of a story some people suspected was a hoax, but was still being reported as a "thank god he was hiding in the garage" drama.  So he tried to protect the story.  He tried to pretend he missed the comment so that everyone could go on with the story as it was being told.
1304077;1445385006;mircea_popescu;If you agree with this, then you have to also face the fact that Wolf didn't consciously plan, "no matter what happens in this interview, I'm going to cover it up"-- it was a reflex, an instinct.  Get a drink, think about this: a reporter's instinct wasn't to go for the truth, but to go with the scripted story.
1304078;1445385006;mircea_popescu;You may think that I'm too much with the rum or too hard on Wolf-- "he seems like such a nice man" but it's not Wolf's fault.  He's a cog in the Matrix.  The next day Meredith Vieira interviews the family live on the Today show.  While the father is denying to her it was a hoax, the boy suddenly says, "mom, I need a cup" and vomits.  Vierra's response to this is nothing.   Forget about the implications of the boy's vom
1304079;1445385013;mircea_popescu;iting, she does not even acknowledge that he vomited.  Is she heartless?  No.  She's flustered: her instinct is to preserve the show, like a stage actress, keep the scene going no matter what else happens."
1304080;1445385014;BingoBoingo;Hometown definitely had bike cops at least a decade and a half ago.
1304081;1445385092;pete_dushenski;hm. ok. maybe 20 years ago then
1304082;1445385100;pete_dushenski;i'm getting old, what
1304083;1445385165;pete_dushenski;it used to be "omigerd a decade is fo-ev-ah". gonna take some getting used to, this.
1304084;1445385189;BingoBoingo;I'm slowly coming to terms with this.
1304085;1445385904;shinohai;http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/20/the-teenaged-maker-who-was-arrested-for-building-a-clock-is-moving-to-qatar/   <<< in order to learn how to make better clocks no doubt.
1304086;1445385905;assbot;The Teenaged Maker Who Was Arrested For Building A Clock Is Moving To Qatar  |  TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1W38q3I )
1304087;1445385933;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo can you check the qntra spam filter for a comment of mine ? i think it got scarfed.
1304088;1445385941;pete_dushenski;twas last night something
1304089;1445385947;pete_dushenski;sometime*
1304090;1445385972;pete_dushenski;;;later tell jurov thanks for the coinbr fix !
1304091;1445385972;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304092;1445385976;mircea_popescu;ahaha. if "meets obama" clocktard comes back a decade later onboard a plane that slams into the wh and kills the us president, i WILL write the "obama trained a future terrorist" article.
1304093;1445385989;mircea_popescu;and this isn't that far fetched, either : us is just about due for a dead president.
1304094;1445386011;shinohai;I don't think it's far-fetched either.
1304095;1445386030;pete_dushenski;qatar > mit.
1304096;1445386056;pete_dushenski;middle east > usistan, despite lack of own brass bullets
1304097;1445386082;mircea_popescu;of course, qatar is a reasonably rich, aspirational sort of arab world
1304098;1445386085;mircea_popescu;not exactly pakistani
1304099;1445386089;shinohai;Also, mircea_popescu added a new term to my vocabulary: clocktard
1304100;1445386101;mircea_popescu;did you see the clock the kid made ?
1304101;1445386106;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303942 << i recall this aversion as well. when i was 12 ;p
1304102;1445386106;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 22:16:14; jurov: maybe it's just me but i don't like porn zooming all in to genitalia and spending minutes there, especially in this time of huge HD screens
1304103;1445386118;mircea_popescu;as alf pointed out, with the power chord still attached, it looks like one of those retard constructions
1304104;1445386123;pete_dushenski;thus, lesbians and chicks in wet t-shirts !
1304105;1445386159;shinohai;Any other kid with half a brain would have written a cool clock script in python and showed his teacher.
1304106;1445386169;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu qatar is 'not exactly pakistan' for as long as it can fend off isis. so what, a few years ? a decade ?
1304107;1445386183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00052679 = 1.7384 BTC [-]
1304108;1445386191;mircea_popescu;you will notice isis is not really going for qtar
1304109;1445386206;mircea_popescu;they'll probably conquer athens before qatar.
1304110;1445386229;pete_dushenski;now there's a bet
1304111;1445386254;shinohai;s'ok Putin got it under control. He'll squash them like they did Afghanistan in the 80's
1304112;1445386255;mircea_popescu;the LAST thing they want is rich people who are also muslims dislinkign them.
1304113;1445386283;pete_dushenski;i'd take even money on qatar falling before athens, if anyone's interested
1304114;1445386303;mircea_popescu;how to be measured ?
1304115;1445386333;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Gotta resubmit. Last night means there's about 3/4 of a MB of fresh spam to dig through
1304116;1445386359;pete_dushenski;can't grep or otherwise search ?
1304117;1445386362;mircea_popescu;ouch bb that sdounds pretty bad
1304118;1445386374;mircea_popescu;search for his email.
1304119;1445386379;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not really. I mean if you can offer an hour and minute UTC.
1304120;1445386384;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: WIll try that
1304121;1445386479;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/10/troubled-bitpay-signs-up-gaming-platform/#comment-68863 << Approved
1304122;1445386480;assbot;Troubled BitPay Signs up Gaming Platform | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OH37bk )
1304123;1445386488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00052679 = 15.3296 BTC [-] {2} 
1304124;1445386541;pete_dushenski;cheers mate.
1304125;1445386586;pete_dushenski;aite, i'm off to go bang my head against pergolesi's magnificat. such a bitch, this thing. later !
1304126;1445386618;mircea_popescu;what's the problem with banging hos
1304127;1445386726;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304100 << he 'made' nothing. my initial description was proven correct, he disassembled an old clock (folks found which make & model) and glued into a box.
1304128;1445386726;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 00:08:21; mircea_popescu: did you see the clock the kid made ?
1304129;1445386761;mircea_popescu;well he didn't invent it, he still made it. if you got a fish in a fishtank and it makes a poop, it didn't make that poop ?
1304130;1445386768;asciilifeform;in that sense - yes.
1304131;1445386769;mircea_popescu;what are you, obama ?
1304132;1445386770;BingoBoingo;Fucker didn't even make the box?
1304133;1445386772;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1304134;1445386778;asciilifeform;obummer.
1304135;1445386785;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski
1304136;1445386800;*;asciilifeform just opened a 'your costs will go up exponentially' thingie from 'health insurance'
1304137;1445386818;mircea_popescu;change you can believe in.
1304138;1445386823;mircea_popescu;more of the same and less of everything.
1304139;1445386834;asciilifeform;!s chocolate ration
1304140;1445386835;assbot;2 results for 'chocolate ration' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chocolate+ration
1304141;1445386880;mircea_popescu;if vlad tepes were half-black dude born in kenya,
1304142;1445386886;mircea_popescu;he'd probably have impaled people on toothpicks.
1304143;1445386902;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1304004 << holy fuck, i have two. paid a hundy for each.
1304144;1445386902;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 23:27:02; phf: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD/321810769726 << was trying to buy this one, got as high as $1100 on best offer, guy wouldn't go any lower then $1400
1304145;1445386924;mircea_popescu;o look, they also went up exponentially in future
1304146;1445386925;asciilifeform;but somehow i doubt that the market for these has 'depth'
1304147;1445386950;mircea_popescu;phf wouldja pay him 4 btc for one ?
1304148;1445386951;asciilifeform;i got an 'old-style' and 'new-style' (the latter is pictured in the ebay link)
1304149;1445386959;asciilifeform;one (but not both) is for sale...
1304150;1445386966;asciilifeform;(other - also for sale, but with whole orchestra)
1304151;1445386986;mircea_popescu;please buy his old junk so he can uproot already kthx.
1304152;1445387015;asciilifeform;* the former is pictured
1304153;1445387031;phf;you're selling the whole orchestra, huh?
1304154;1445387045;asciilifeform;old: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Symbolics-keyboard.jpg   new: http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/photos/IO/keyboard_6074.jpg
1304155;1445387046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ULy )
1304156;1445387046;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ULA )
1304157;1445387056;asciilifeform;phf: i've been (futilely) selling it for ages.
1304158;1445387077;asciilifeform;http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg << nice photo of them side by side
1304159;1445387078;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39XXx )
1304160;1445387115;asciilifeform;phf: machine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51
1304161;1445387117;assbot;Loper OS » “Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!” ... ( http://bit.ly/1W39ZP9 )
1304162;1445387168;mircea_popescu;"Here's what happened on 9/12 at my hospital, and what happens in so many cases of high-emotion altruism: they take the day off in order to go to NYC, but then don't actually go (car wouldn't start; heard on the radio they were blocking volunteers, etc).  They win: they get the reward of the sacrifice, perform no actual sacrifice, and get the day off.  Meanwhile, someone else had to sacrifice to cover their responsibil
1304163;1445387168;mircea_popescu;ities.
1304164;1445387168;mircea_popescu;I think Rita Owens meant the statement "more Caucasian men stepping up" as a jab at  blacks to get them movitated, but if it is factually accurate then these Caucasians are idiots.  Really?  Big Brothers?  That's the call you heard?  Whites seem particularly prone to manic devotions to faddish volunteerism inspired by celebrity that are transparently self-aggrandizing.  And temporary-- they inevitably quit when the nex
1304165;1445387171;mircea_popescu;t fashion comes along.   "
1304166;1445387173;mircea_popescu;awww!
1304167;1445387218;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303995 << more of a ming vase.
1304168;1445387218;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 23:22:28; mircea_popescu: phf and what's this say about inflation ? note that they are artwork in any sense.
1304169;1445387225;asciilifeform;(than, e.g., rembrandt)
1304170;1445387228;asciilifeform;but yes, artwork.
1304171;1445387353;phf;so what are you asking for whole orchestra?
1304172;1445387366;asciilifeform;difficult question. because i cannot offer ANY guarantee that it will survive shipping.
1304173;1445387374;asciilifeform;in fact, i can pretty much guarantee that it will ~not~...
1304174;1445387394;phf;doesn't need to, i will pick it up from the door
1304175;1445387414;phf;assuming it's in DC
1304176;1445387423;asciilifeform;hm. if the keyboard thing is any indicator, i now have nfi what the thing is worth.
1304177;1445387505;BingoBoingo;<phf> assuming it's in DC << Awe, I though I would get a chance to open Bingo's courier service.
1304178;1445387568;phf;delivery by dc bike messenger
1304179;1445387664;asciilifeform;and i have yet to meet with anybody who really grasped what he'd be getting into, buying this machine.
1304180;1445387693;BingoBoingo;phf: Nah, motor courier service operating out of the central US, but if you are closer...
1304181;1445387703;asciilifeform;especially now that dks has run short of parts (as, by all indications, he has, or we wouldn't be having this conversation..)
1304182;1445387711;phf;asciilifeform: well twenex was selling a handful of ivory's for ~5000k, so a 3620 with it's power requirements and refrigerator size will be some fraction of that
1304183;1445387765;asciilifeform;i see 9.5k
1304184;1445387769;asciilifeform;wonder how he intends to ship it
1304185;1445387775;asciilifeform;less of an issue, interestingly, with the xl1200
1304186;1445387800;asciilifeform;(it is considerably lighter, something quite like a '90s pc)
1304187;1445387810;phf;well, it's fraction of a size
1304188;1445387811;phf;right
1304189;1445387844;phf;i assume it's also significantly quieter ;)
1304190;1445387852;asciilifeform;likely.
1304191;1445387857;*;asciilifeform does not have a xl
1304192;1445387882;*;asciilifeform has it on good authority that at least one u.s. army lab still runs a number of xl boxes !
1304193;1445387886;asciilifeform;as in, 24/7
1304194;1445387893;asciilifeform;they never, ever go down.
1304195;1445387896;asciilifeform;for any reason.
1304196;1445388027;phf;BingoBoingo: i'm actually moving to dc, so yeah, will be within shooting distance from ascii
1304197;1445388040;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1304077 << this was an obscene - in the sense of serving as conclusive proof that everyone who parroted the story in the fishwrap, etc. is long overdue to be boiled for soap - because - think about it...
1304198;1445388040;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 23:50:06; mircea_popescu: If you agree with this, then you have to also face the fact that Wolf didn't consciously plan, "no matter what happens in this interview, I'm going to cover it up"-- it was a reflex, an instinct.  Get a drink, think about this: a reporter's instinct wasn't to go for the truth, but to go with the scripted story.
1304199;1445388054;asciilifeform;what is a weather balloon? how much does it lift ?
1304200;1445388068;asciilifeform;is this quantity within an order of magnitude of what a boy (even a very small boy) weights
1304201;1445388083;asciilifeform;and did anyone so much as bother to consider it?
1304202;1445388145;BingoBoingo;phf: Ah. Entire appeal of Bingo's occasional courier service would largely be derived from proximity to US highways 50 and 40 facillitating broad range of lateral movement.
1304203;1445388384;phf;could target ebay sales of oversized, hard to deliver items
1304204;1445388385;BingoBoingo;Well that and carrying the payload the comfort only a reliable yet non-descript family sedan can provide.
1304205;1445388405;BingoBoingo;phf: Qntra takes too much of my time for that.
1304206;1445388473;BingoBoingo;Need the trifecta of over weight item, hard to insure, actually demands delicate treatment beyond UPS or USPS can provide
1304207;1445388512;phf;might as well transport drugs
1304208;1445388548;BingoBoingo;Nah, seizure risk is too much along with risk to qntra from lockup time
1304209;1445388585;BingoBoingo;But endangered computing equipment, might be a niche market
1304210;1445388605;asciilifeform;problem is not simply that it is oversized.
1304211;1445388608;asciilifeform;but that it is a ming vase.
1304212;1445388621;BingoBoingo;The serious problem
1304213;1445388627;BingoBoingo;delicate
1304214;1445388628;asciilifeform;as in, if it breaks, it cannot be meaningfully repaired (unlike the vase!) and certainly not replaced
1304215;1445388719;BingoBoingo;Which is Y no UPS
1304216;1445388722;asciilifeform;buyer would have to also understand that the thing is full of electrolytic caps, circa 1986; and there is a mechanical hdd
1304217;1445388773;asciilifeform;which 1) uses incompatible, unreadable on any modern system whatsoever, electrical interface
1304218;1445388788;asciilifeform;2) cannot be reinstalled (i don't have the tapes, or the tape drive) even if you could obtain another.
1304219;1445388820;asciilifeform;for a while i researched the protocol and tried to build a solid-state replacement, got nowhere, too much like actual work
1304220;1445388967;asciilifeform;the really fragile part is the console.
1304221;1445388978;asciilifeform;(it is not a mere display monitor, but actually its own - 16-bit! computer.)
1304222;1445389006;asciilifeform;connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable
1304223;1445389027;asciilifeform;(the machine is loud, as in vacuum cleaner, so idea was that it lives in its own room, console - in a quiet, distant one.)
1304224;1445389341;*;BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling.
1304225;1445389475;phf;requires one of those futuristic syd mead houses, with an office room overlooking alpha centauri landscape, that's where you put the console. the computer is in the basement, calculating landing trajectories, for the private spaceship of your visiting friends
1304226;1445389531;mircea_popescu;IF spaceships ever become a thing, then therefore surface living will be sort-of like mountain living today.
1304227;1445389541;mircea_popescu;no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery.
1304228;1445389556;mircea_popescu;it's prohibitively expensive and also nonsensical to land a spaceship. and so...
1304229;1445389570;mircea_popescu;live in orbit, visit the surface like you visit the seaside today.
1304230;1445389592;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery. << On a hill by a river or coast has always been and forever will be ideal on earth
1304231;1445389604;mircea_popescu;doesn't build too good cities tho.
1304232;1445389687;BingoBoingo;Of course. Good people though only keep a townhouse in the city
1304233;1445389745;phf;mircea_popescu: well, yes, in the above narrative it's a summer house, you go there if you want to be alone and study migration patterns of some quirky local species, which is your hobby. all the action is in the orbit
1304234;1445389746;BingoBoingo;St Louis tried the city on a hill thing and only got Ferguson and a bunch of outlying areas that flood from time to time
1304235;1445389825;mircea_popescu;i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e.
1304236;1445389882;BingoBoingo;And further in the future quality slut breeders get a place in orbit without the good view.
1304237;1445390007;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304224 > good cooling doesnt have to be loud
1304238;1445390007;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 01:02:21; *: BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling.
1304239;1445390030;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: It does if you need to cool all the power
1304240;1445390053;BingoBoingo;Sure one can quietly cool even a great machine.
1304241;1445390081;BingoBoingo;But how does one quietly cool a monster
1304242;1445390233;kakobrekla;with a monster heatsink
1304243;1445390303;BingoBoingo;Sure, but if the monster wants to idle at 300C you need moar than a heatsink. I'm disappointed there aren't many if any new chips like this
1304244;1445390358;kakobrekla;nah.
1304245;1445390459;mircea_popescu;temperature is not really the problem for a heatsink.
1304246;1445390473;mircea_popescu;(think about it - temperature helps its function, that's how it works).
1304247;1445390480;mircea_popescu;heat debit might be, maybe.
1304248;1445390519;BingoBoingo;At some point gotta bring in a fan
1304249;1445390651;kakobrekla;hot air will raise creating some draft
1304250;1445390738;BingoBoingo;But if air heats faster, there's gotta be a limit before you bring in the noise to bend air to your will
1304251;1445390778;mircea_popescu;the only time you have to fan it is when the thing is INTOLERANT of temperature. the higher temperature it can tolerate the less fan you need.
1304252;1445390797;BingoBoingo;base materials gotta have melting points
1304253;1445390888;BingoBoingo;Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool?
1304254;1445390935;BingoBoingo;I mean an oil cooling system that burn the oil (Jet A only)
1304255;1445390975;phf;new ricer fad, how loud your system is, neighbors call cops, "bro, i'm compling gentoo with -O10"
1304256;1445391018;BingoBoingo;Seriously, except you tell the Po-Po you are curing cancer by donating your spare cycles
1304257;1445391095;phf;verifying gavinblocks
1304258;1445391356;mircea_popescu;if you move the air fast enough it will actually add heat.
1304259;1445391565;BingoBoingo;That too
1304260;1445391585;BingoBoingo;To both previous non join/part lines actually
1304261;1445392108;BingoBoingo;Randiant heat from the engine also a hazard.
1304262;1445392271;BingoBoingo;Fuck, radiant heat. We are talking about engines in general, not John Galt's in particular.
1304263;1445393302;deedbot-;[Trilema] The problem with altruism... - http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-with-altruism/
1304264;1445394236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00052679 = 25.2596 BTC [-]
1304265;1445394611;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304235 << iirc there was a film...
1304266;1445394611;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 01:10:25; mircea_popescu: i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e.
1304267;1445394616;asciilifeform;forgot the title
1304268;1445394732;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304253 << perhaps BingoBoingo should look into the LN2 pc recipe.
1304269;1445394732;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 01:28:08; BingoBoingo: Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool?
1304270;1445394750;asciilifeform;(at the very least, to get a feel for the actual physical limits involved.)
1304271;1445394906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00052614 = 7.4275 BTC [-] {3} 
1304272;1445394932;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Actually right now I'm working on a qntra piece on biological limits. originally targeted it for end of the month, but should be out by end of the week
1304273;1445394970;*;asciilifeform was not aware of there having appeared new biological limits...
1304274;1445394979;*;asciilifeform thought that qntra was a nyooz site
1304275;1445395052;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tis a new site. The biological limits part involves US Law enforcement and clearnet markets they seem to like vs dislike.
1304276;1445395126;BingoBoingo;i.e. WHy are Darknet busts full og C IV xanax paraded while clearnet C III busts not so much an only involve... to be revealed
1304277;1445395261;BingoBoingo;And if asciilifeform gendarmie predictions come true the still will like...
1304278;1445395271;BingoBoingo;As regular army does
1304279;1445395760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00052612 = 5.2612 BTC [-]
1304280;1445396335;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304267 << http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/ >> In the year 2154, the very wealthy live on a man-made space station while the rest of the population resides on a ruined Earth. A man takes on a mission that could bring equality to the polarized worlds.
1304281;1445396335;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 02:30:16; asciilifeform: forgot the title
1304282;1445396337;assbot;Elysium (2013) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhkQU1 )
1304283;1445396469;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/11/50_of_american_kids_receive_fo.html << check out this crazed shitthink! "In meeting the basic needs of children, the only real alternative to the family is the state, an alternative that is increasingly incapable of meeting the growing need." / "Children depend upon political proxies to advance their societal claims."
1304284;1445396471;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: 50% of American Kids Receive Food Stamps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyH6b )
1304285;1445396497;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304206 << have you considered LTL ?
1304286;1445396498;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 00:47:53; BingoBoingo: Need the trifecta of over weight item, hard to insure, actually demands delicate treatment beyond UPS or USPS can provide
1304287;1445396500;mircea_popescu;derpy "social worker" just gave himself a monopoly. he is needed, don;'t you know, because parents aren't "political proxies" for their children. heck, parents don't exist at all.
1304288;1445396503;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1304289;1445396565;deedbot-;[Qntra] Operation Cyber Juice: Police and Their Favorite Drug of Abuse, Part 1 - http://qntra.net/2015/10/operation-cyber-juice-police-and-their-favorite-drug-of-abuse-part-1/
1304290;1445396602;BingoBoingo;^Carl Mark Force IV leniency tour is starting
1304291;1445396664;ben_vulpes;;;google trilema supermarket
1304292;1445396665;gribble;Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; Strategic superiority, a saga on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions on Trilema - A ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe- (1 more message)
1304293;1445396719;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: which is the article in which you discuss what a "supermarket" is?
1304294;1445396763;mircea_popescu;ummm
1304295;1445396780;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/of-skimmed-milk-and-skimming-the-milk/ ?
1304296;1445396781;assbot;Of skimmed milk and skimming the milk on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhlBfL )
1304297;1445396841;mircea_popescu;or what was it saying ?
1304298;1445396917;ben_vulpes;no, i think it was recent.
1304299;1445396927;mircea_popescu;uh.
1304300;1445396939;ben_vulpes;lol 'twas hanbot
1304301;1445396942;mircea_popescu;what sort of recent ? this year ?
1304302;1445396942;ben_vulpes;pardon
1304303;1445396947;mircea_popescu;lol!
1304304;1445397346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00052605 = 25.1978 BTC [-] {3} 
1304305;1445397750;ben_vulpes;hey y'all want to hear a funny article title?
1304306;1445397760;ben_vulpes;"Scrap the Welfare State and Give People Free Money"
1304307;1445397868;mircea_popescu;how about "stop pretending like you're gonna be doing things and go to bed." ?
1304308;1445398290;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1304309;1445398298;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 270.61, vol: 27754.99262617 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 268.41, vol: 7776.8212 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 271.01, vol: 13951.93325364 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 277.0, vol: 16.20753493 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 277.25237, vol: 31328.09070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 270.0, vol: 221.69807201 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.210928638, vol: 113.39290322 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1304310;1445399064;mircea_popescu;"Medical journals are rarely accused of ideological bias, they are accused of financial bias.  The press are rarely accused of financial bias, they are accused of ideological bias.  If you studiously spend one month looking for the opposite bias in both, what will happen is that you will become an alcoholic. "
1304311;1445399066;mircea_popescu;lolz.\
1304312;1445399090;mircea_popescu;the source talking about bias is not a legitimate debiasing approach.
1304313;1445399116;mircea_popescu;but, in the interest of postmodernism, the kernel should have a futher /u/bias/ which should contain bits describing the bias-ness of the /u/rand
1304314;1445399123;mircea_popescu;generated the same way, of course.
1304315;1445399131;BingoBoingo;Always
1304316;1445399131;mircea_popescu;shit, they do this already.
1304317;1445399286;asciilifeform;today i learned (tm) that most ethernet cable presently sold is a fraud - copper-plated aluminum. and that if you want actual copper - it'll be ~150 usd / 300 metre bobbin, or so.
1304318;1445399318;asciilifeform;(it is customarily sold in such bobbins, in usa)
1304319;1445399364;BingoBoingo;Same for electical cable. I pity the fire departments.
1304320;1445399382;asciilifeform;the price of this humble construction material has nearly doubled since i last had to buy.
1304321;1445399396;mircea_popescu;how much do you expect to pay ?
1304322;1445399404;asciilifeform;about half.
1304323;1445399408;mircea_popescu;it's expensive. it was good money 20 years ago, and it's not going away.
1304324;1445399414;asciilifeform;naturally
1304325;1445399415;mircea_popescu;about half, yes, but then the tarp funds.
1304326;1445399442;asciilifeform;thieves were not tearing out pipes from public buildings, or live high voltage mains, 20 years ago, in usa.
1304327;1445399448;asciilifeform;copper - scarce, yes.
1304328;1445399515;asciilifeform;the only reason i mention the cable tidbit is the sheer mindfuck of learning of the 'copper-clad aluminum' fraud
1304329;1445399548;mircea_popescu;copper cable was always made of aluminum.
1304330;1445399561;asciilifeform;and bread - always of sawdust and rat shit, yes.
1304331;1445399592;mircea_popescu;comes from br, the ancient ur word for sawdust, and ead, which is rat droppings in maori.
1304332;1445399599;asciilifeform;there we go.
1304333;1445399652;asciilifeform;'bread of the sieve cable.'
1304334;1445399656;asciilifeform;(ru in-joke.)
1304335;1445399667;asciilifeform;(anglification of бред сивой кобылы)
1304336;1445400608;BingoBoingo;;;google "This godforsaken mixture"
1304337;1445400609;gribble;Dagobah (Ass/Taint Injection Infection) : RedditsMuseumofFilth: <https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditsMuseumofFilth/comments/2xv594/dagobah_asstaint_injection_infection/>; Hop, Russell Brand: Film review | Daily Mail Online: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-1372118/Hop-Russell-Brand-Film-review.html>; Mylene Farmer - Beyond My Control (godforsaken Mix) - YouTube: (1 more message)
1304338;1445400781;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304285 << i've considered many things, but the cost of any of them eclipse the worth of the box
1304339;1445400781;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 03:01:37; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304206 << have you considered LTL ?
1304340;1445400798;BingoBoingo;;;google Until then, I�d only heard of �alcohol showers.� Turns out 70% isopropyl alcohol is about the only thing that can even touch a scent like that once its soaked into your skin. It takes four or five bottles to get really clean, but it�s worth it. It�s probably the only scenario I can honestly endorse drinking a little of it, too.
1304341;1445400799;gribble;Doctors/nurses/redditors, what has been your most gory, disgusting ...: <https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xo41d/doctorsnursesredditors_what_has_been_your_most/>; Treatment Regimens - Poison Ivy, Oak, and Sumac Information Center: <http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/regimen.html>; How do I get my hands to stop burning ??? (Archived thread): (1 more message)
1304342;1445400823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00052551 = 7.4622 BTC [-]
1304343;1445400862;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is a candidate for single-handedly reviving the mega-newsgroup alt.tasteless ?
1304344;1445400874;*;asciilifeform has a pretty decent archive somewhere
1304345;1445400879;BingoBoingo;Mebbe
1304346;1445400882;asciilifeform;mid-90s
1304347;1445400894;BingoBoingo;First we need to revive "newsgroups"
1304348;1445400915;BingoBoingo;For real though, none of this HTML shit
1304349;1445401738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00052551 = 3.9939 BTC [-]
1304350;1445404422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00052598 = 5.3334 BTC [+] {3} 
1304351;1445405035;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c2ba427794f9125fa67e4c873463f556/tumblr_ng2ody7eLR1soqeaqo1_400.gif
1304352;1445405036;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ln9Lzx )
1304353;1445405164;mod6;"harshly reprimanded, and convicted"
1304354;1445405278;mod6;:]
1304355;1445405427;ben_vulpes;!s exwm
1304356;1445405487;assbot; : http://s.b-a.link/?q=exwm
1304357;1445405487;ben_vulpes;search down for anyone else?
1304358;1445405556;mircea_popescu;<mthreat> search is down because linode is rebooting due to a Xen security thing <
1304359;1445405561;mircea_popescu;!up mthreat
1304360;1445405562;ben_vulpes;ah
1304361;1445405564;mircea_popescu;you can voice rite ?
1304362;1445405569;mthreat;lazy
1304363;1445405573;mthreat;thx
1304364;1445405573;mircea_popescu;kk
1304365;1445405585;mthreat;linode cutting into my beauty sleep
1304366;1445405600;mircea_popescu;linode was and remains a piece o shit.
1304367;1445405618;*;mircea_popescu isn't gonna forget those bitcoin they stole.
1304368;1445405624;mthreat;replacement?
1304369;1445405630;mthreat;i won't be storing any btc on this node!
1304370;1445405636;mthreat;it works for search.b-a
1304371;1445405706;mircea_popescu;myeah. replacements are hard, apparently, i still need one for nsa.
1304372;1445405722;mircea_popescu;for that matter, i need a domain registrar too.
1304373;1445405902;BingoBoingo;registrar sounds harder
1304374;1445406818;mthreat;search should be restored
1304375;1445406829;mthreat;!s fubar
1304376;1445406829;assbot;11 results for 'fubar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fubar
1304377;1445406850;mthreat;any problems, lemme know
1304378;1445406864;ben_vulpes;!s exwm
1304379;1445406865;assbot;2 results for 'exwm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=exwm
1304380;1445407012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00052684 = 1.8439 BTC [+]
1304381;1445407795;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1304382;1445407802;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 269.22, vol: 26054.43163597 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 267.073, vol: 7749.95575 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 270.04, vol: 13829.90842367 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 17.63297499 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.987616, vol: 29775.32340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 268.05321, vol: 200.52973947 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 265.6836, vol: 112.74677561 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1304383;1445407815;BingoBoingo;;;more
1304384;1445407816;gribble;average: 271.738206628
1304385;1445408171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21899 @ 0.00052981 = 11.6023 BTC [+] {6} 
1304386;1445408289;mircea_popescu;danke mthreat
1304387;1445408981;mircea_popescu;from the notrly news dept : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/western_digital_bad_hard_drive_encryption/
1304388;1445408982;assbot;Western Digital's hard drive encryption is useless. Totally useless • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZWhhZL )
1304389;1445409051;mircea_popescu;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/wordpress_security_flap_xml_rpc_brute_force/ << notice the one missing thing in the laundry list.
1304390;1445409051;assbot;WordPress blogger patch foot-drag nag: You're tempting hackers • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZWhrAo )
1304391;1445410611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20128 @ 0.00053371 = 10.7425 BTC [+]
1304392;1445411322;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/is_genetically_modified_food_s.html << o look, there was a study about gmo toxicity. oddly i never heard of it.
1304393;1445411323;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Is Genetically Modified Food Safe? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rn99eF )
1304394;1445412319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.0005286 = 12.1049 BTC [-]
1304395;1445416345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15868 @ 0.00053204 = 8.4424 BTC [+] {3} 
1304396;1445416772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25176 @ 0.00052614 = 13.2461 BTC [-] {3} 
1304397;1445416833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6874 @ 0.00052328 = 3.597 BTC [-]
1304398;1445418358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38233 @ 0.00053011 = 20.2677 BTC [+] {5} 
1304399;1445419507;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/0AEVOsu.png
1304400;1445419509;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnZIpW )
1304401;1445419926;HeySteve;crumbs, the new buttcoin desktop background
1304402;1445420080;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRyY7CSUAAAGypg.jpg
1304403;1445420081;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1kpwTVr )
1304404;1445420409;punkman;http://nypost.com/2015/10/16/fbi-accused-of-stiffing-landlords-who-helped-bust-russian-spy/
1304405;1445420411;assbot;FBI accused of stiffing landlords who helped bust Russian spy | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko0Ee1 )
1304406;1445420599;punkman;https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3oswdt/unusual_happenings_with_inactive_radio_stations/
1304407;1445420600;assbot;Unusual happenings with inactive radio stations, signaling something big about to happen? : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko0NOK )
1304408;1445421059;HeySteve;#InternetOfThings is when your toaster mines bitcoins to pay off its gambling debts to the fridge (twitter.com)
1304409;1445421150;punkman;https://hybriddiplomacy.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/pizza.jpeg
1304410;1445421150;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ko1kQG )
1304411;1445421807;BingoBoingo;I think I have a clearer idea now of how alf's brain handles sportz https://www.xkcd.com/1593/
1304412;1445421807;assbot;xkcd: Play-By-Play ... ( http://bit.ly/1kpCBGI )
1304413;1445422811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65400 @ 0.00053298 = 34.8569 BTC [+] {4} 
1304414;1445423116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00053382 = 4.6976 BTC [+]
1304415;1445423630;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304338 << it would cost more than 10k ??   Most I've seen a pallet go for is still under 500, and that's cross-country
1304416;1445423630;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 04:13:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304285 << i've considered many things, but the cost of any of them eclipse the worth of the box
1304417;1445424507;punkman;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/20/alabama_judge_orders_poor_defendants_to_give_blood_to_avoid_jail.html
1304418;1445424508;assbot;Alabama judge orders poor defendants to give blood to avoid jail. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKIPLM )
1304419;1445424885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00053385 = 3.47 BTC [+] {3} 
1304420;1445426532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.0005335 = 10.75 BTC [-]
1304421;1445427386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00053447 = 10.3153 BTC [+] {2} 
1304422;1445430204;Naphex;new talent on XOtika :o https://xotika.tv/#/channel297/FleurRebelle
1304423;1445430205;assbot;XOtika.TV: Bitcoin adult live streaming community. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDWAYZ )
1304424;1445431534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00053174 = 13.6657 BTC [-] {4} 
1304425;1445432990;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRLMgy9UsAAhcIH.jpg:large
1304426;1445432991;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jAEYX4 )
1304427;1445433031;punkman;win
1304428;1445433791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053222 = 14.8489 BTC [+]
1304429;1445436048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23903 @ 0.00053222 = 12.7217 BTC [+]
1304430;1445436087;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.37000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b36
1304431;1445436170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00053556 = 14.0585 BTC [+] {5} 
1304432;1445436329;Naphex;punkman: lol
1304433;1445438366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00053765 = 5.3496 BTC [+] {3} 
1304434;1445438538;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304387 <<< http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303552
1304435;1445438538;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 06:29:41; mircea_popescu: from the notrly news dept : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/20/western_digital_bad_hard_drive_encryption/
1304436;1445438538;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 17:18:02; ascii_field: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1002.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/0FPGSGH
1304437;1445438570;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304392 << 'gmo' == monsanto/roundup in precisely the same sense as 'pc' == winblowz.
1304438;1445438570;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 07:08:42; mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/is_genetically_modified_food_s.html << o look, there was a study about gmo toxicity. oddly i never heard of it.
1304439;1445438610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00053783 = 3.1194 BTC [+]
1304440;1445438611;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304411 << nope. handled same way as viagra spam.
1304441;1445438611;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 10:03:27; BingoBoingo: I think I have a clearer idea now of how alf's brain handles sportz https://www.xkcd.com/1593/
1304442;1445438639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1304443;1445438666;mircea_popescu;an re gmo the guy even addresses the washing.
1304444;1445438667;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304415 << considerably more than 10k: an appraiser would have to show up and ascertain that the thing still works, before it is shipped; and it'd have to be crated (wood) and packed in air
1304445;1445438667;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 10:33:50; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304338 << it would cost more than 10k ??   Most I've seen a pallet go for is still under 500, and that's cross-country
1304446;1445438843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: washing doesn't remove substance taken up by the plant while it was alive (nor insecticide secreted internally)
1304447;1445438871;mircea_popescu;well yeah
1304448;1445438960;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/breaking-512-bit-rsa-with-amazon-ec2-is-a-cinch-so-why-all-the-weak-keys
1304449;1445438961;assbot;Breaking 512-bit RSA with Amazon EC2 is a cinch. So why all the weak keys? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW95nf )
1304450;1445438988;asciilifeform;(summary: ~75 usd per key.)
1304451;1445439007;mircea_popescu;"because nothing is ever deleted"
1304452;1445439008;mircea_popescu;good enough ?
1304453;1445439037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00053291 = 14.2287 BTC [-] {3} 
1304454;1445439062;asciilifeform;from same rag, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/us-charges-hacker-with-providing-isil-info-on-us-military-personnel
1304455;1445439063;assbot;US charges hacker with providing ISIL info on US military personnel | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW9je1 )
1304456;1445439136;mircea_popescu;heh.
1304457;1445439150;mircea_popescu;chickens looooong left that coop.
1304458;1445439171;mircea_popescu;shoulda took better care of things, by which i mean, shoulda sucked elite cock moar, dear usarmy.
1304459;1445439214;asciilifeform;interesting moar for the fact of malaysia enabling arbitrary kidnapping by usg of whoever
1304460;1445439240;mircea_popescu;it allows arbitrary of whoever by whoever already anyway.
1304461;1445439355;asciilifeform;wake me up when a country with indoor shitters and an electric grid hangs u.s. 'law' enforcers in public.
1304462;1445439374;asciilifeform;for so much as setting foot there.
1304463;1445439392;mircea_popescu;mexico.
1304464;1445439409;asciilifeform;not an indoor shitter country
1304465;1445439413;asciilifeform;at least, not the part that hangs.
1304466;1445439415;asciilifeform;so no.
1304467;1445439434;mircea_popescu;lybia.
1304468;1445439438;asciilifeform;ditto.
1304469;1445439445;mircea_popescu;your definitions are retarded.
1304470;1445439456;asciilifeform;how so?
1304471;1445439467;mircea_popescu;"give me an example of X in non-X and i'll pretend i mean something else by non-X. see, you can't, go me!"
1304472;1445439468;punkman;you could bring your own shitter
1304473;1445439470;mircea_popescu;wtf, are you 12 ?
1304474;1445439489;asciilifeform;it is pretty elementary that goatfuckistans will resist usg
1304475;1445439502;asciilifeform;but they do not make for an alt-civilization
1304476;1445439511;asciilifeform;that i'd care to have anything to do with, at any rate.
1304477;1445439522;mircea_popescu;your ideas of goatfucking are unwelcome, in that you don't even judge you could survive on your own in buenos aires.
1304478;1445439532;mircea_popescu;i might as well ask what 12 yo virgins think of handling households.
1304479;1445439538;asciilifeform;what means 'on own' ?
1304480;1445439549;mircea_popescu;hands in pockets, flavour country style.
1304481;1445439565;asciilifeform;i do not, for instance, own personal reactor. rely on other folks', believe.
1304482;1445439577;mircea_popescu;(you realise "goat country" is a proxy for disability right ? we don't call them cruthces, we call them mechanical mobility aids! )
1304483;1445439596;mircea_popescu;of the 12 mn people living here, NONE owns personal reactor.
1304484;1445439625;asciilifeform;then none 'survive on their own' ?
1304485;1445439644;mircea_popescu;fact is they survive, and if asked to discern what is and isnt a goatfuckingstan i'd take their word above yours
1304486;1445439657;asciilifeform;point was, if you are escobar, the middle of the sea can be a civilized country for you, because you can afford to re-create it.
1304487;1445439669;mircea_popescu;but you aren't, and this discussion wasn't in any sense germane.
1304488;1445439676;mircea_popescu;what if you are you know, not escobar.
1304489;1445439701;mircea_popescu;;;google flavour country
1304490;1445439702;gribble;Urban Dictionary: flavour country: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flavour+country>; Urban Dictionary: flavor country: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flavor+country>; Flavour Country - Blood Everywhere (Ben and Mike before Royal ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4hEtVMgR0>
1304491;1445439741;mircea_popescu;hm, eikther i recall this wrong or the world has forgotten a decade later
1304492;1445439753;mircea_popescu;and to think marlboro spent a billion on those stupid billboards and gave that schmuck cancer.
1304493;1445439756;asciilifeform;my attempted point was precisely that, not being escobar, many more places are uninhabitable from my pov, because i cannot afford to terraform them.
1304494;1445439774;mircea_popescu;you can't even afford to analyse them, apparently.
1304495;1445439796;asciilifeform;whereas mircea_popescu could, if he for some odd reason wished, live in antarctica. so it is not 'goat country' for him.
1304496;1445439827;mircea_popescu;what do you even know of mexico ? you ever been there ? and i don't mean fucking cancun with arizona university sluts.
1304497;1445439866;asciilifeform;have not been there in person, no.
1304498;1445439883;mircea_popescu;how trhe heck would you know. fucking chiapas is one of the best places on earth.
1304499;1445439891;mircea_popescu;and no, i didn't go there in airforce one. i went there BY BUS
1304500;1445439902;asciilifeform;but you went there while being mircea_popescu, no ?
1304501;1445439905;mircea_popescu;thanks fucking god i had the presence of mind to do that when i was 20
1304502;1445439916;mircea_popescu;so what does that do ? ungoatistanize mexico ?
1304503;1445439925;asciilifeform;for a 20-y.o. mircea_popescu, perhaps kabul would have also appeared 'best place' ?
1304504;1445439930;mircea_popescu;mno.
1304505;1445439949;mircea_popescu;chiapas is mostly forrested hills with most of hte world's amber.
1304506;1445439958;mircea_popescu;the air is sweet. no goats live there.
1304507;1445439977;*;asciilifeform has nothing against goats per se
1304508;1445439979;mircea_popescu;oh also, it's "the free and sovereign state of chiapas"
1304509;1445440001;asciilifeform;sounds appealing. what does a 4GB SDRAM stick cost there ?
1304510;1445440013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00053783 = 17.1568 BTC [+]
1304511;1445440024;mircea_popescu;bout the same as everywhere else.
1304512;1445440031;mircea_popescu;however, edible mango costs nothing.
1304513;1445440039;mircea_popescu;(they make most of the mango you;ll ever eat in the us)
1304514;1445440043;*;asciilifeform stuffs new pin into map.
1304515;1445440057;*;asciilifeform misread above as 'will never eat'
1304516;1445440092;mircea_popescu;also, in 1994, they rose up in armed rebellion. you know why ?
1304517;1445440097;asciilifeform;..?
1304518;1445440104;mircea_popescu;so no, the free and sovereign part is no joke.
1304519;1445440106;mircea_popescu;look up the why.
1304520;1445440170;*;asciilifeform bbl
1304521;1445442442;lobbes;<mircea_popescu> also, in 1994, they rose up in armed rebellion. you know why ? << looks like they weren't having none of that NAFTA stuff, huh?
1304522;1445442450;mircea_popescu;aha.
1304523;1445442456;mircea_popescu;thinkaboutit.
1304524;1445442488;mircea_popescu;someone, somewhere, actually took up arms to resist nafta. and the respect they're paid is, "oh, goatfuckistan". who in oregon ? who in california ? who, anywhere ?
1304525;1445442497;mircea_popescu;"oh but it wasn't on reddit". of course it wasn't on fucking reddit.
1304526;1445442663;pete_dushenski;interesting that nafta tried to be afta
1304527;1445442665;mircea_popescu;1.
1304528;1445442675;mircea_popescu;well of course.
1304529;1445442700;mircea_popescu;the way these things work is that they try to cover as much as possible.
1304530;1445442805;pete_dushenski;this was the essential dispute over canadian softwood lumber vis-a-vis regulatory jurisdiction under nafta
1304531;1445443102;pete_dushenski;canadian provinces wanted to subsidise their industry via 'stumpage fee' but usistan said that this was 'unfair' and imposed a compensatory duty on canadian softwood lumber. much fur flew but canada eventually agreed to 'anti-dumping' price schemes.
1304532;1445443161;mircea_popescu;aha.
1304533;1445443166;pete_dushenski;actually, the 'softwood lumber agreement' expires this month.
1304534;1445443168;mircea_popescu;quite not the same thing.
1304535;1445443291;pete_dushenski;well, it's the same thing in the sense that u.s. wanted tightly controlled and self-advantageous 'free trade'. canada complied. argentina didn't.
1304536;1445443590;mircea_popescu;well that's what i meant lol
1304537;1445443595;mircea_popescu;(mexico, anyway)
1304538;1445443673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00053101 = 8.1245 BTC [-]
1304539;1445443811;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304455 << speaking of islamic state, looks like canuckistan is pulling out of their aerial offensive
1304540;1445443811;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 14:51:03; assbot: US charges hacker with providing ISIL info on US military personnel | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RW9je1 )
1304541;1445443841;pete_dushenski;i hope we can still be friends and push through that keystone xl pipeline business ;p
1304542;1445444094;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304492 << hollywood also killed first 'tin man' with lead paint. where's his memorial ?
1304543;1445444094;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 15:02:33; mircea_popescu: and to think marlboro spent a billion on those stupid billboards and gave that schmuck cancer.
1304544;1445444098;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louBM-Mix7s
1304545;1445444099;assbot;The Wizard of Oz (5/8) Movie CLIP - Finding The Tin Man (1939) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAplMa )
1304546;1445444229;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304509 << the enduring depth of the prison of the mind...
1304547;1445444229;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 15:06:41; asciilifeform: sounds appealing. what does a 4GB SDRAM stick cost there ?
1304548;1445444564;pete_dushenski;"Chinese cross-border investment in greenfield projects and in expansion of existing projects in Africa fell by 84 per cent in the first half of this year compared with a year earlier, from $3.54bn to $568m." << the waterfall is drying up.
1304549;1445444619;pete_dushenski;"VC investment in bitcoin companies dropped 41% from $145m to $85m – the lowest total of the last four quarters" << in more than one place.
1304550;1445444663;mircea_popescu;it will drop a lot more before we're done with them.
1304551;1445444671;deedbot-;[Trilema] The sad story of Sacrifice - http://trilema.com/2015/the-sad-story-of-sacrifice/
1304552;1445444681;mircea_popescu;and no bitcoin investment into "vc companies" or any other fiat bullshit is going to happen until we get some serious structural reforms.
1304553;1445444726;mircea_popescu;on the table : fiat sovereigns renouncing their alleged power to coerce taxation.
1304554;1445444765;mircea_popescu;recognition of b,tmsr~ supremacy in commercial legal matters ; personal immunity to members, the lot.
1304555;1445444786;mircea_popescu;read up on the original merchant's guilds for a broad idea.
1304556;1445444809;pete_dushenski;i can see renouncing taxation of income and capital gains, sure, but real estate tax would still seem to be on the table, no ?
1304557;1445444841;mircea_popescu;no. first, they admit they do not have the right to steal.
1304558;1445444855;mircea_popescu;THEN we might turn the other way for a little time over a little tax leftovers to make the transition smoother.
1304559;1445444858;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, no.
1304560;1445444893;mircea_popescu;and if real estate holders think pooling THEIR moneyt is such a great idea, guess what ? they will.
1304561;1445444893;pete_dushenski;their 'right' is might.
1304562;1445444903;mircea_popescu;no such thing.
1304563;1445444919;pete_dushenski;as monopoly on force ?
1304564;1445444937;mircea_popescu;if they really need a lot of their agents hung we'll hung them alright.
1304565;1445444942;mircea_popescu;if no such need, no such hangings.
1304566;1445444947;mircea_popescu;what might ? there's no might.
1304567;1445444986;pete_dushenski;i agree that it doesn't exist per se in practical terms, too expensive to implement, but property 'owners' are cattle
1304568;1445444996;pete_dushenski;they're perfectly persuadable by threats
1304569;1445445076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00052401 = 23.9473 BTC [-] {7} 
1304570;1445446120;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1304571;1445446137;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski sure, but that'd be their problem.
1304572;1445446168;pete_dushenski;fair 'nuff
1304573;1445446187;pete_dushenski;i won't wander too far down that path then
1304574;1445446913;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304524 << aha, nobody in oregon.
1304575;1445446913;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 15:48:08; mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere, actually took up arms to resist nafta. and the respect they're paid is, "oh, goatfuckistan". who in oregon ? who in california ? who, anywhere ?
1304576;1445446931;ascii_field;because, imho, limonov was right.
1304577;1445446985;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1304578;1445447000;ascii_field;to take up guerilla arms, your life needs to have meaning outside of the electric grid.
1304579;1445447026;ascii_field;i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188615
1304580;1445447026;assbot;Logged on 05-07-2015 21:37:26; mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.
1304581;1445447047;mircea_popescu;your life has to have meaning.
1304582;1445447150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00052266 = 4.1551 BTC [-]
1304583;1445447204;ascii_field;speaking of americans, http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/10/21/air-force-test-launches-minuteman-missile-from-california
1304584;1445447206;assbot;Air Force Test-Launches Minuteman Missile From California « CBS Los Angeles ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6TtIh )
1304585;1445447219;*;ascii_field did not know that these were today rare enough to make nyooz
1304586;1445447264;ascii_field;http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123461433 << better pic
1304587;1445447265;assbot;F.E. Warren tests Minuteman III missile with launch from Vandenberg AFB ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6TsnY )
1304588;1445447336;punkman;http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-saudi-prince-beverly-hills-20151019-story.html
1304589;1445447337;assbot;Saudi prince avoids felony charges in sex assault case near Beverly Hills - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSFdZ4 )
1304590;1445447369;mircea_popescu;lemme guess. "sex assault" means he fucked his own maid.
1304591;1445447386;punkman;"Neighbors reported seeing a bleeding woman screaming for help as she  tried to scale an 8-foot-high wall that surrounds the property at the  end of a cul-de-sac"
1304592;1445447388;ascii_field;attempted maidfuck
1304593;1445447443;mircea_popescu;�Generally, if someone doesn�t do something wrong, they don�t get arrested,� he said. �Just the simple human aspect of it, he could�ve apologized � for doing what he did.�
1304594;1445447447;mircea_popescu;logic.
1304595;1445447456;ascii_field;lulgic
1304596;1445447468;mircea_popescu;"he could have at least apologized so i could say "hey, someone doesn't apologize if they didn't do anything" instead of this weak sauce "they don't get arrested if they didn't do anything".
1304597;1445447483;mircea_popescu;seriously, that's what he got ? woulda sorted a lot of fergusson problems, this logic.
1304598;1445447519;mircea_popescu;these fucktards already gave humanism a bad name, they'll manage to shit simple "human" too ?
1304599;1445447659;mircea_popescu;ascii_field but the important point you're not making re mexico is that... it worked.
1304600;1445447682;mircea_popescu;this is how this thing works : always better than you expect it to, and the inconvenience is never quite as significant as you imagined.
1304601;1445447801;punkman;@wikileaks ANNOUNCE: We have obtained the contents of CIA Chief John Brennan's email account and will be releasing it shortly.
1304602;1445447830;mircea_popescu;"unredacted"
1304603;1445448924;pete_dushenski;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/wealth-therapy-tackles-woes-of-the-rich-its-really-isolating-to-have-lots-of-money
1304604;1445448925;assbot;Wealth therapy tackles woes of the rich: 'It’s really isolating to have lots of money' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSJOKz )
1304605;1445448948;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1304606;1445448952;ascii_field;l0lwtf
1304607;1445448956;ascii_field;'wealth therapy' ?!
1304608;1445448985;pete_dushenski;involves surprisingly little champagne and blowjobs
1304609;1445449004;*;ascii_field recalls scene from 'silicon valley' where a rich fella (fictionalized steve jobs) compares his troubles to that of jews in germany
1304610;1445449019;mircea_popescu;you know, in my experience beauty is A LOT more isolating. i spent my fucking youth doing psychotherapy on six foot, one gallon titted blond 17 to 22 yo beauties who wanted to be PEOPLE
1304611;1445449046;ascii_field;if mircea_popescu can help them, perhaps he could even cure mathematicians!
1304612;1445449058;mircea_popescu;helped em alright. it really is not that hard.
1304613;1445449071;ascii_field;with the Wand of Curative Thrust ?
1304614;1445449088;mircea_popescu;to put that issue into its proper perspective,
1304615;1445449160;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/#selection-91.425-91.487
1304616;1445449160;assbot;De pe cind eram io mai tinar on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSKFuU )
1304617;1445449178;pete_dushenski;gabrielradio ^
1304618;1445449189;mircea_popescu;lol
1304619;1445449209;mircea_popescu;it even has monica b in it!
1304620;1445449210;pete_dushenski;i think he and i make a fierce little team :)
1304621;1445449219;mircea_popescu;lol you're gonna do it too ?
1304622;1445449241;pete_dushenski;he has to lay the foundation before i can build the house
1304623;1445449253;ascii_field;wai wat, pete_dushenski is a languages aficionado ?
1304624;1445449263;pete_dushenski;hardly..
1304625;1445449277;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: do you know any ru ?
1304626;1445449284;pete_dushenski;mnope
1304627;1445449304;pete_dushenski;gido didn't even teach dad ukr because... accent
1304628;1445449363;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: ukr is not so hard. just learn ru and swap all the vowels with ы !
1304629;1445449364;pete_dushenski;so father is monolingual, mother quadrilingual
1304630;1445449388;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha hateur.
1304631;1445449389;pete_dushenski;lol
1304632;1445449423;ascii_field;laugh, but this is the language most of the actual ukr elite speaks (into the microphone. ru at home, without exception)
1304633;1445449432;mircea_popescu;i windir whit inglish wild liik liki if i did thit.
1304634;1445449442;ascii_field;chaucer !
1304635;1445449449;mircea_popescu;chiicir!
1304636;1445449451;ascii_field;aha.
1304637;1445449469;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the romanian vernacular unarticulated agreement is ihi
1304638;1445449481;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i yearn to be a slumlord one day
1304639;1445449486;mircea_popescu;but specifically with the ы not i.
1304640;1445449496;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: and you can make it norse! swap out the t's for ð's.
1304641;1445449505;ascii_field;see, learn a language a minute in #b-a.
1304642;1445449519;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: not a bad gig, really. actually does more for 'the people' than gov't ever did.
1304643;1445449540;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if i wanted to be a usian slumlord, i'd buy a decrepit building, hold auditions for (nude) black women under 25, on the premise that they get to stay there free, but they don't get to say no to any cock.
1304644;1445449552;mircea_popescu;prolly make pretty decent rent off all the state kid support.
1304645;1445449586;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how is this any different than a ghetto brothel?
1304646;1445449594;mircea_popescu;brutha dun have to pay.
1304647;1445449600;ascii_field;wasn't there a thing where chicago police dept. had one.
1304648;1445449604;mircea_popescu;aha.
1304649;1445449643;mircea_popescu;heck, actually you could run the whole affair as a "clothes free zone".
1304650;1445449649;mircea_popescu;gotta check them out at the gate.
1304651;1445449651;pete_dushenski;https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/17/sex-traffickers-in-blue?utm_campaign=naytev&utm_content=56229484e4b037e37ef20fa7 << prolly on this list somewhere, the brothel
1304652;1445449653;assbot;The People We Trust to 'Save' Women From Prostitution Keep Paying Them for Sex—and Worse - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSMqbn )
1304653;1445449697;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i wouldn't trust whatever a reason.com reporter misunderstood on a topic he imagined.
1304654;1445449742;pete_dushenski;tis just a link compilation
1304655;1445449762;mircea_popescu;since you're doing the whole translation shtick, here's another super-hard one : http://trilema.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/
1304656;1445449763;assbot;Sfinta inocenta puberala on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSMKqD )
1304657;1445449780;mircea_popescu;(originally, the ro iron guard anthem)
1304658;1445449786;*;ascii_field l0lled hard over this one
1304659;1445449792;mircea_popescu;o, you got it ? :D
1304660;1445449804;ascii_field;aha, it was linked some time last year
1304661;1445449808;mircea_popescu;ah
1304662;1445449821;pete_dushenski;;;later tell gabrielradio incoming : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304655 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304615
1304663;1445449821;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 17:49:22; mircea_popescu: since you're doing the whole translation shtick, here's another super-hard one : http://trilema.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/
1304664;1445449821;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 17:39:20; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/#selection-91.425-91.487
1304665;1445449833;mircea_popescu;i do not think it ~can~ be translated. full stop.
1304666;1445449843;pete_dushenski;he does the 'alley', i'll do the 'oop'
1304667;1445449857;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that may well be
1304668;1445449859;mircea_popescu;the who now ?
1304669;1445449871;pete_dushenski;;;ud alley oop
1304670;1445449885;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it probably could be translated to ukrainian. just... english doesn't curse nearly enough.
1304671;1445449896;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSPKFiaQ9no
1304672;1445449897;assbot;Top 10 Alley-Oops of the 2012-2013 season! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSNcFk )
1304673;1445450065;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so apparently amd not on provider's list. you can live with supermicro ? or want to mail your own box ?
1304674;1445450112;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: can live with just about anything, old box was an intel
1304675;1445450127;mircea_popescu;k.
1304676;1445450465;pete_dushenski;;;later tell BingoBoingo you've got mail
1304677;1445450465;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304678;1445451685;mircea_popescu;ascii_field so the deal im ok-ing here is,
1304679;1445451686;mircea_popescu;SuperMicro SuperServer 5018D-MTF Intel� XeonTM 4-Core E3-1231V3 3.30GHz Processor with 8MB Cache 5GT/s 80W 4x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM sockets 32GB DDR 3 1600MHz ECC Memory 4x 3.5" Hot-swap SATA3 HDDs w/ RAID 2 x Seagate 3.5" 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 7.2K RPM 128MB. 3 year warranty, to be delivered in 3 weeks (?!), < 4 btc + colo (3 ips, 100mbit) ~1 btc/mo.
1304680;1445451702;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1304681;1445451707;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: spiffy box
1304682;1445451721;mircea_popescu;i think the colo price is a little overboard, myself, but hey, maybe they're worth it.
1304683;1445451758;ascii_field;one way to find out.
1304684;1445451774;mircea_popescu;yeah, except we're 4 btc burned if it doesn't work out. i think.
1304685;1445451780;mircea_popescu;you want the box in case this blows up ?
1304686;1445451799;ascii_field;sure
1304687;1445451812;mircea_popescu;alright, then it can be tangibles obviously.
1304688;1445451851;mircea_popescu;ecc memory, btw.
1304689;1445451861;ascii_field;spiffy
1304690;1445452213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00053146 = 3.0027 BTC [+] {3} 
1304691;1445452246;ascii_field;phun phakt of the day: gnupg 1.4.10 permits dynamically loaded turds, in a manner similar to openssl.
1304692;1445452286;ascii_field;(appears to be switched off in a default build, but re-enabled if use of 'idea' cipher is enabled.)
1304693;1445452310;ben_vulpes;ecc memory!
1304694;1445452344;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you want one too ?
1304695;1445452371;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if anyone else was wanting these... now when i have the pen in hand, i can write five like i write one, so speak up.
1304696;1445452386;*;ascii_field prods diametric 
1304697;1445452467;mod6;ben_vulpes: should we get one for the foundation?
1304698;1445452491;mod6;1 btc/mo tho :/
1304699;1445452518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10480 @ 0.00052756 = 5.5288 BTC [-] {2} 
1304700;1445452518;ascii_field;funnily enough this is about what colo costs in gringolandia
1304701;1445452526;mod6;better not for the time being.
1304702;1445452579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10471 @ 0.0005242 = 5.4889 BTC [-] {4} 
1304703;1445452604;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes prolly best wait a bit for that, as bitcoin isp mainstreamizes will be easier.
1304704;1445452764;diametric;interesting.
1304705;1445452838;diametric;is the previous managed provider being phased out in favor of colo?
1304706;1445452895;mircea_popescu;diametric at your leisure.
1304707;1445452912;mircea_popescu;for as long as you're happy with it you can keep it.
1304708;1445453035;diametric;okay. i'll give this some thought.  the colo offering is tempting.
1304709;1445453094;mircea_popescu;the thing being... if it's any good it won't be going anywhere, and if it goes away just means you saved a penny.
1304710;1445453194;mircea_popescu;!up zfx
1304711;1445453397;ascii_field;in other nyooz,
1304712;1445453413;ascii_field;dks is apparently alive, and symbolics has quadrupled its yearly revenue,
1304713;1445453414;ascii_field;https://www.usaspending.gov/transparency/Pages/RecipientProfile.aspx?DUNSNumber=873185821&FiscalYear=2015
1304714;1445453416;assbot;Recipient Profile ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU5a9F )
1304715;1445453470;ascii_field;BingoBoingo ^ qntra material ?
1304716;1445453499;shinohai;mod6: you still @ work ?
1304717;1445453592;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1304718;1445453605;mod6;shinohai: ya what up
1304719;1445453634;shinohai;If you have free time later, want to get with ya on v
1304720;1445453645;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: d'you recall which piece of ballas' had the line about the "if it weren't this highly credentialed person, it'd be someone indistinguishable from him"?
1304721;1445453656;mod6;shinohai: sounds good, just hit me up.
1304722;1445453664;mod6;thanks too btw! it needs some exercise.
1304723;1445453703;ascii_field;;;later tell phf http://lispm.de/symbolics-lisp-machine-ergonomics << interesting, recent
1304724;1445453704;assbot;Ergonomics of the Symbolics Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6k57 )
1304725;1445453704;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304726;1445453743;shinohai;No worries, I'm kinda behind tbh
1304727;1445453837;shinohai;;;later tell kakobrekla Was talking to this guy about work, notice you neg-rated him on btctalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=49269  no trustworthy?
1304728;1445453839;assbot;Login ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6Qjp )
1304729;1445453839;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304730;1445453882;ascii_field;;;later tell phf https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7893008
1304731;1445453883;assbot;It was not just the hardware, or the software, or the culture, or the interestin... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QU6XLO )
1304732;1445453883;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304733;1445453953;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ie, the guy lies because that's what the system needs said ?
1304734;1445454055;jurov;do i understand right, the bisp box is 1btc/mo?
1304735;1445454096;mircea_popescu;the colocation.
1304736;1445454103;mircea_popescu;the box is like a grand.
1304737;1445454109;jurov;and the box is bought extra?
1304738;1445454113;jurov;aite
1304739;1445454253;kakobrekla;shinohai iirc the guy is retarded
1304740;1445454308;mod6;haha
1304741;1445454308;jurov;thx for info, not interested atm
1304742;1445454342;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not that the guy lies, but that the guy exists because the system needs a guy like that to exist.
1304743;1445454359;mircea_popescu;i recall it. should be an article from mid to late 2008
1304744;1445454470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00053782 = 1.963 BTC [+]
1304745;1445454568;mircea_popescu;dja happen to have a link to my comment here about that article ben_vulpes ?
1304746;1445454579;mircea_popescu;i usually include lengthier phrases specifically to ease searching
1304747;1445454650;shinohai;Thanx kakobrekla, probably not worth the time since he still hasn't named a price that he will pay for testing.
1304748;1445454716;zfx;hi all
1304749;1445454724;zfx;just lurking...
1304750;1445454813;shinohai;hi zfx
1304751;1445455024;pete_dushenski;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/19/how-your-junk-mail-shows-if-youre-rich-or-poor/
1304752;1445455025;assbot;How your junk mail shows if you’re rich or poor - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUbo9w )
1304753;1445455067;pete_dushenski;"Mileage cards tended to be marketed at college graduates, while cards with teaser APR rates were sent to the less educated. Cash-back and point-reward cards were offered equally to people at every education level."
1304754;1445455071;shinohai;!up zfx
1304755;1445455091;shinohai;Whereas rich or poor, you still get dick-pill spam pete_dushenski
1304756;1445455101;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: lulzy, i get this crud by the shovel-full
1304757;1445455106;ascii_field;it goes in the grinder
1304758;1445455196;ascii_field;just about everybody in usa gets these.
1304759;1445455210;pete_dushenski;shinohai: http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/16/the-problem-its-not-in-the-industry-its-inside-of-you/#footnote_7_5627 :)
1304760;1445455212;assbot;The problem. It’s not “in the industry.” It’s inside of you. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZYdk73 )
1304761;1445455230;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: i can't say i've ever seen one in my mailbox. ever.
1304762;1445455240;pete_dushenski;and albertans are deep, deep in personal debt
1304763;1445455260;pete_dushenski;~175% of annual income or so
1304764;1445455270;pete_dushenski;this doesn't count mortgage
1304765;1445455281;ascii_field;so for what?
1304766;1445455282;ascii_field;cars?
1304767;1445455295;pete_dushenski;lines of credit
1304768;1445455301;pete_dushenski;credit cards
1304769;1445455307;pete_dushenski;i dunno, ask them.
1304770;1445455313;ascii_field;reddit cards.
1304771;1445455334;ascii_field;(when do we get new bank, 'creddit' ?)
1304772;1445455365;pete_dushenski;sorry, i exajamarated : "average Albertan owes $24,271 not including their mortgage."
1304773;1445455371;pete_dushenski;so less than half average income
1304774;1445455379;pete_dushenski;still up 63% yoy
1304775;1445455396;ascii_field;student loan?
1304776;1445455453;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1304777;1445455486;pete_dushenski;"BMO’s annual debt report pegged average household debt in the province at $124,838 in 2014 (compared to a Canadian average of $76,140.) Among Albertans, half held credit card debt, 53 per cent had mortgages, and 17 per cent held student loans."
1304778;1445455517;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: that first figure was only consumer debt, didn't include student loans
1304779;1445455584;pete_dushenski;http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss315/powderhoundin/IMG_0409.jpg << not insignificant amount of consumer debt goes to things like this.
1304780;1445455585;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUdBSn )
1304781;1445455594;shinohai;lol pete_dushenski I had no idea contravex had opined on that xD
1304782;1445455606;pete_dushenski;footnotes ftw
1304783;1445455622;shinohai;^^
1304784;1445455626;pete_dushenski;i'm always amazed how many people don't even read them
1304785;1445455640;pete_dushenski;based on anecdotal feedback at least
1304786;1445455653;pete_dushenski;"oh i just skipped over those"
1304787;1445455676;shinohai;I usually read footnotes, there are always good tidbits there and on trilema.
1304788;1445455683;pete_dushenski;ah well, literacy is hard, even when everyone 'learns' it
1304789;1445455686;shinohai;Just hadn't read that article yet.
1304790;1445455767;pete_dushenski;you'd think a comment about dick pills would've ended up in the 'how to suck a cock' but nope, ended up in 'jennifer lawrence needs to grow up' piece :)
1304791;1445455974;pete_dushenski;and speaking of jlaw and the gender pay gap, i'll leave you with a research abstract
1304792;1445455986;pete_dushenski;"Male lawyers bill ten percent more hours and bring in more than twice the new client revenue than do female lawyers. We demonstrate that the differential impact across genders in the presence of young children and differences in aspirations to become a law firm partner account for a large share of the difference in performance. We also show that accounting for performance has important consequences for gender g
1304793;1445455986;pete_dushenski;aps in lawyers’ earnings and subsequent promotion. Whereas individual and firm characteristics explain up to 50 percent of the earnings gap, the inclusion of performance measures explains a substantial share of the remainder. Performance measures also explain a sizeable share of the gender gap in promotion."
1304794;1445455992;pete_dushenski;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2673619
1304795;1445455994;assbot;Gender Gaps in Performance: Evidence from Young Lawyers by Ghazala  Azmat, Rosa  Ferrer :: SSRN ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUfb6I )
1304796;1445456006;pete_dushenski;ciao !
1304797;1445456422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23332 @ 0.00053811 = 12.5552 BTC [+] {5} 
1304798;1445456426;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/lsuNpzU.jpg
1304799;1445456426;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUgHFO )
1304800;1445456598;deedbot-;[Qntra] LSE Report Reveals Dismal Performance of VCs in Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/10/lse-report-reveals-dismal-performance-of-vcs-in-bitcoin/
1304801;1445456641;BingoBoingo;Whoops, updated. Sorry pete
1304802;1445456820;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: if i could find the comment, i'd have found the link
1304803;1445457315;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1304804;1445457886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19897 @ 0.00053836 = 10.7117 BTC [+] {2} 
1304805;1445458435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00053843 = 8.3457 BTC [+] {3} 
1304806;1445458628;gabrielradio;http://pastebin.com/z8TgrTVz
1304807;1445458629;assbot;In support of eugenics - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1W52ebs )
1304808;1445459074;ascii_field;gabrielradio, mircea_popescu: lulzy piece. ought to be accompanied with a drawing of 'man of the future' - a two-metre cock with small legs (like caterpillar's)
1304809;1445459218;lobbes;!up ascii_field
1304810;1445459419;gabrielradio;ascii_field this a similarly lulzy piece http://trilema.com/2011/inotul-conjugal/
1304811;1445459420;assbot;Inotul conjugal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1W53wn0 )
1304812;1445459432;gabrielradio;i guess i should tackle that one as well
1304813;1445459511;ben_vulpes;anyone tracking the safe harbor shitshow?
1304814;1445459527;ascii_field;?
1304815;1445459623;ben_vulpes;https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a50fd261-ff53-407f-ab08-d78994e0c192 << potentially relevant
1304816;1445459624;assbot;Immediate aftermath of ECJ’s safe harbor decision: Maximilian Schrems v. Data Protection Commissioner - Lexology ... ( http://bit.ly/1W53LhU )
1304817;1445461711;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304662 << got it, it's next in line
1304818;1445461711;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 17:50:21; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio incoming : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304655 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304615
1304819;1445461780;gabrielradio;not sure about the poem tho. the way i saw this whole translation thing was that mircea_popescu wanted the ro articles translated because he didn't want to spend the time to do it himself, so that's where i would come in
1304820;1445461852;gabrielradio;but in the case of the poem, time isn't the issue, and if he deems it unfit for translation in his own hand, i doubt it would make sense for me to try & translate it
1304821;1445462202;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1304822;1445462206;ascii_field;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/wikileaks-brennan-15-1021.pdf <<<>>> http://dpaste.com/3TF8EHD.txt << supposedly, brennan's mailz
1304823;1445462210;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jUqy3F )
1304824;1445462212;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jUqy3R )
1304825;1445462504;deedbot-;[cascadian hacker] The myths of "the good life" and that work should be fun and happen in a fun place only serve to enslave you to the progressive's hedonic treadmill - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/21_the-myths-of-the-good-life-and-that-work-should-be-fun-and-happen-in-a-fun-place-only-serve-to-enslave-you-to-the-progressives-hedonic-treadmill.html
1304826;1445462923;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio i just don't think it can be done.
1304827;1445462927;mircea_popescu;poems are always iffy
1304828;1445462954;*;ascii_field sometimes translates poems, for sport
1304829;1445462968;ascii_field;there are a few of my attempts in the logz.
1304830;1445462990;ascii_field;english is perhaps one of the worst things to translate them to, though.
1304831;1445463008;ascii_field;gnarly ball o'shit language, doesn't want to rhyme at all.
1304832;1445463026;mircea_popescu;spermatozoons < spermatozoa
1304833;1445463051;ascii_field;'spermatozoa, those lonely noahs!' (tm) (r)
1304834;1445463057;mircea_popescu;:)
1304835;1445463064;mircea_popescu;not bad
1304836;1445463071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6645 @ 0.00053855 = 3.5787 BTC [+]
1304837;1445463076;ascii_field;i forget where.
1304838;1445463135;gabrielradio;what say you mircea_popescu? am i suited for translating the old testament of trilema?
1304839;1445463195;mircea_popescu;well, sadly, i can't use any of the stuff you produced so far. going through this latest one, it's still easier / faster for me to do the whole translation than to correct it.
1304840;1445463203;ben_vulpes;ascii_field: http://www.northofreality.com/tales/2015/10/19/the-baph-o-mat
1304841;1445463205;assbot;THE BAPH-O-MAT —  NORTH OF REALITY ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTSTTr )
1304842;1445463207;ascii_field;;;later tell ben_vulpes re: article: usg won't 'hand out cash' for the same reason that comcast et al doesn't actually promise 1Gb/s at 100% dutycycle. (the rest of it, i have failed to make sense of)
1304843;1445463208;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304844;1445463232;mircea_popescu;but also, you shouldn't take this as a bad light on yourself, i think you did a reasonable job, just, the requirements are insanely tight.
1304845;1445463289;gabrielradio;got it
1304846;1445463296;ascii_field;ah and there is ben_vulpes himself
1304847;1445463378;mircea_popescu;but, i dun want you to walk away poor from the exercise either, so post an address an' i'll send you a bitdime or something.
1304848;1445463383;ascii_field;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/18_static-compilation-woes.html << l0l
1304849;1445463384;assbot;static compilation woes ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTT5Cd )
1304850;1445463437;ascii_field;ben_vulpes ^ where ?
1304851;1445463440;gabrielradio;1RadioZTPJhoYGHU3mBed6jCRAE8F6RZC
1304852;1445463657;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: every escapee from 'amazon' i've personally spoken with, said essentially same thing: 'run like sov uranium mine'
1304853;1445463684;mircea_popescu;that's the only way you can run something with muricans.
1304854;1445463686;ascii_field;ben_vulpes: complete with 'ударники', firings of 'bottom x%', etc.
1304855;1445463697;mircea_popescu;not bezos' fault they're essentially rus empire peasants.
1304856;1445463709;ascii_field;well the interesting part is that people go to work there.
1304857;1445463719;ascii_field;rather than packed into vans and forcibly pressed, yes.
1304858;1445463775;ascii_field;but, as i understand, they come in, and soon come out of the other end.
1304859;1445463821;ascii_field;'Bezos runs a company, not a playground for millenials. He runs it to make a profit...' << the last bit is technically a mistake...
1304860;1445463839;ascii_field;amazon has not, for most of its existence, turned a profit in the customary sense of the word.
1304861;1445463851;ascii_field;(nor really tried, afaik.)
1304862;1445463855;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i am willing to bet the complaints are ALL "oh we were defrauded, landlord kept our deposit and we didn't really piss on the parquet. it was not our fault!"
1304863;1445463876;mircea_popescu;as you say, wake me up when inept woman is stripped, whipped and left tied to the office door over the weekend.
1304864;1445463887;mircea_popescu;until then, work conditions are too soft.
1304865;1445463922;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i only met a few of these folks. but they all said strictly same things, described something quite like the practices that breathed life into the labour unions of 100 years ago...
1304866;1445463934;mircea_popescu;specifically ?
1304867;1445464034;mircea_popescu;jurovconsider i have there one cdg with q 465, storage shows 240 << grass is 60, q 100, and cft is 180, q 100. no idea why it shows 240, atm. but we KNOW that the prices shown are broken atm, and chetty was going to fix them, but then got some health problems. it's still on the list to fix, and will be fixed asap.
1304868;1445464037;ascii_field;'fire bottom x%' decimations; 'promote top y%, defined in asinine quantitative metrics', misc. sovietisms
1304869;1445464056;mircea_popescu;they exist because of the worthless peasants.
1304870;1445464066;mircea_popescu;if they were human beings this sort of thing wouldn't be needed. they aren't.
1304871;1445464066;deedbot-;[Qntra] Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/
1304872;1445464068;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1304873;1445464068;mircea_popescu;they're redditards.
1304874;1445464098;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b50
1304875;1445464210;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: from my distant perch i cannot say whether the butugychag school of thought has given amazon any advantage vs the other great halls'o'humancompilers.
1304876;1445464258;mircea_popescu;besides the point, really.
1304877;1445464267;mircea_popescu;no thinking / respectable person would run the farm of muricans any other way.
1304878;1445464267;ascii_field;(if it did, one might expect to see it copied by other firms)
1304879;1445464272;mircea_popescu;not so.
1304880;1445464288;mircea_popescu;the only thing you may expect groups of muricans to do is a) whine and b) ask for govt money.
1304881;1445464298;ascii_field;why not? it would taste especially great with google's reintroduction of factory dorms
1304882;1445464303;mircea_popescu;copying what works is so high up on the "never EVER do" list it might as well be racism.
1304883;1445464304;ascii_field;and other dickensisms
1304884;1445464474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00053368 = 16.971 BTC [-] {3} 
1304885;1445464955;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69382
1304886;1445464956;assbot;Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTUSHf )
1304887;1445464956;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1304888;1445464982;mircea_popescu;heh
1304889;1445465011;ascii_field;i met schmidt twice, once to buy machine, then some parts
1304890;1445465034;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69384
1304891;1445465035;assbot;Symbolics Quandruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTUXLc )
1304892;1445465088;ascii_field;http://wush.net/~opengenera << obligatory w4r3z
1304893;1445465089;assbot;Open Genera ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTV0qu )
1304894;1445465106;mircea_popescu;intereskin.
1304895;1445465120;mircea_popescu;can you get that interview going ?
1304896;1445465123;ascii_field;l0l i never got snap5 and i fucking' paid
1304897;1445465156;BingoBoingo;I'll drop a message and see if he replies.
1304898;1445465242;ascii_field;https://tpbonion.com/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp << afaik the 1st comment on this mega-t0rr3nt was the only thing dks ever said in public
1304899;1445465244;assbot;Symbolics Open Genera 2.0 for Alpha - complete package with Lisp (download torrent) - TPB ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTVooR )
1304900;1445465270;ascii_field;very old man, but has good humour
1304901;1445465286;mircea_popescu;doesn't load. what's he say ?
1304902;1445465307;ascii_field;dkschmidt at 2007-08-15 02:24 CET:
1304903;1445465308;ascii_field;Congratulations on downloading the finest software development environment ever created. If you want to find out more about Genera or would like to have a Symbolics Lisp Machine, check out the Symbolics website at www.symbolics.com or contact sales@symbolics.com.
1304904;1445465332;trinque;BingoBoingo: typo in headline? "quandruple"
1304905;1445465334;mircea_popescu;a hey.
1304906;1445465352;BingoBoingo;fxd
1304907;1445465582;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/10/symbolics-quandruples-revenue-in-fy-2015-on-one-usg-transaction/#comment-69385
1304908;1445465582;assbot;Symbolics Quadruples Revenue in FY 2015 on One USG Transaction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NooZ8a )
1304909;1445465611;ascii_field;afaik there are exactly three of these people. now listed.
1304910;1445465681;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712797 << obligatory logz re: smbx
1304911;1445465681;assbot;Logged on 11-06-2014 03:07:22; asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.
1304912;1445468567;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#c5207
1304913;1445468567;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.95 B (35%) on Yes, 135.57 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 57`770 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9GRXm )
1304914;1445468568;mircea_popescu;ahem
1304915;1445468980;mircea_popescu;"The New York Department of Financial Services "BitLicense" scheme was a flaming disaster that drove out no less than 15 bitcoin-related businesses from the state and cost leader of the charge, Ben Lawsky, his political career."
1304916;1445468982;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1304917;1445469022;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin price volatility in 2015 is roughly half what it was in 2014." << oh we so desperately need the usg tards.
1304918;1445469028;mircea_popescu;what will bitcoin ever do without them!111
1304919;1445469045;mircea_popescu;here's what : the greatest growth potential for usg & associated retardation is ... subsaharan africa.
1304920;1445469065;mircea_popescu;take your obamas, bhararas and whatever other oratanii and go the fuck back to kenya, dear usg.
1304921;1445469081;shinohai;It's only just begun: http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/10/21/jersey-government-plans-regulate-digital-currency-2016/
1304922;1445469083;assbot;Jersey Government Plans to Regulate Digital Currency in 2016 - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9HNuL )
1304923;1445469099;mircea_popescu;yaya. we wish them a glhf.
1304924;1445469102;gabrielradio;lmao @ oratanii
1304925;1445469201;gabrielradio;https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/credit-suisse-with-just-10-youre-wealthier-than-25-of-americans-18072/
1304926;1445469202;assbot;Credit Suisse: with just $10 “you’re wealthier than 25% of Americans” | SOVEREIGN MAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9HYX5 )
1304927;1445469209;gabrielradio;�If you�ve no debts and have $10 in your pocket you have more wealth than 25% of Americans. More than 25% of Americans have collectively that is.�
1304928;1445469273;mircea_popescu;aha.
1304929;1445469286;mircea_popescu;in fact i just made this point to cab driver here who wanted to know "how the us really is" :
1304930;1445469290;mircea_popescu;"you are richer than most of them"
1304931;1445469307;mircea_popescu;if you got a dime you're ahead of most of america.
1304932;1445469354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053855 = 4.847 BTC [+]
1304933;1445469932;deedbot-;[Qntra] Ethereum Bet Update - http://qntra.net/2015/10/ethereum-bet-update/
1304934;1445470025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41172 @ 0.0005405 = 22.2535 BTC [+] {5} 
1304935;1445470025;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo prolly could include comments of deeply regretting taking the no position etc.
1304936;1445470070;BingoBoingo;That's what blog comments are for, referencing the bet comments.
1304937;1445470100;BingoBoingo;Having a lol in the qntra piece's comment section at the expense of the lamentation in the BitBet comment section
1304938;1445470230;mircea_popescu;hehe
1304939;1445470237;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1304940;1445470279;BingoBoingo;I believe this is what webmarketing tards call "driving engagement"
1304941;1445470330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00053085 = 32.2757 BTC [-] {7} 
1304942;1445471916;mircea_popescu;"Back on September" << in
1304943;1445472062;BingoBoingo;fck, fxd
1304944;1445472831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00052713 = 7.4325 BTC [-]
1304945;1445474805;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1304946;1445474811;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 267.83, vol: 20406.74343524 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 264.11, vol: 6273.13459 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 268.15, vol: 10550.98883348 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.99, vol: 8.03896163 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 273.201075, vol: 36568.74490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 266.59313, vol: 102.92680149 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 263.06821305, vol: 153.76803476 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
1304947;1445474813;BingoBoingo;;;more
1304948;1445474813;gribble;average: 270.202261592
1304949;1445474821;BingoBoingo;OMG Crashing
1304950;1445475026;mircea_popescu;o noes.
1304951;1445475165;BingoBoingo;Prolly ought to twatter kill someone
1304952;1445475576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00053913 = 19.0313 BTC [+] {4} 
1304953;1445476365;asciilifeform;...::once upon a time::...
1304954;1445476378;*;asciilifeform opened a crate. and said to pet:
1304955;1445476387;*;asciilifeform 'let's make the world's most useless pr0n'
1304956;1445476403;asciilifeform;...::a short time later::...
1304957;1445476410;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/endo.jpg
1304958;1445476412;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LN0zG7 )
1304959;1445476491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34351 @ 0.00053256 = 18.294 BTC [-]
1304960;1445476511;asciilifeform;idk if mircea_popescu ever tried this. but, just as i expected, it failed. minimal focus distance of the lens was not met.
1304961;1445476691;BingoBoingo;lol
1304962;1445476885;mircea_popescu;!up Lupul
1304963;1445476932;Lupul;Bonjour, comment allez-vous?
1304964;1445476933;mircea_popescu;lol wut the fuck is that asciilifeform
1304965;1445476951;mircea_popescu;open air endoscopy ?
1304966;1445476975;asciilifeform;open air vs what, l0l
1304967;1445476986;asciilifeform;girloscopy.
1304968;1445476989;mircea_popescu;mkay. external endoscopy ?
1304969;1445476993;mircea_popescu;uh. you had a light source ?
1304970;1445477021;Lupul;How do we check WoT rating?
1304971;1445477028;mircea_popescu;!gettrust lupul
1304972;1445477028;assbot;lupul is not registered in WoT.
1304973;1445477045;Lupul;!gettrust mircea_popescu
1304974;1445477045;assbot;Lupul is not registered in WoT.
1304975;1445477054;mircea_popescu;lol
1304976;1445477059;mircea_popescu;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ << can always use btcalpha.
1304977;1445477063;assbot;mircea_popescu WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvZEIt )
1304978;1445477083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, led built into the instrument.
1304979;1445477088;asciilifeform;(how else would there be a picture?)
1304980;1445477111;mircea_popescu;what instrument was this i wonder ? oral endoscope does display the vagina.
1304981;1445477189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chinese industrial endoscope.
1304982;1445477197;mircea_popescu;ah.
1304983;1445477234;mircea_popescu;try one of those things they stick up your nose next.
1304984;1445477259;asciilifeform;this was (at least superficially) similar. hence the irresistible experiment.
1304985;1445477263;mircea_popescu;aha
1304986;1445477271;mircea_popescu;possibly cheaper lens / less tolerant
1304987;1445477277;asciilifeform;worst possible lens.
1304988;1445477278;mircea_popescu;i would guess it sees up to about 1cm
1304989;1445477293;asciilifeform;actually it sees great ~beyond~ 1cm or so.
1304990;1445477308;mircea_popescu;right
1304991;1445477402;mircea_popescu;alternatively, you can take a plaster cast of your penis, embed cameras, fill it with silicone caulk, let it dry and have her fuck it.
1304992;1445477405;mircea_popescu;art, definitely.
1304993;1445477412;asciilifeform;eh that'd be work.
1304994;1445477424;mircea_popescu;RNG!
1304995;1445477469;*;asciilifeform vaguely recalls, many years ago, seeing this type of photo. somewhere.
1304996;1445477484;mircea_popescu;i would bet the youboob's fulla them
1304997;1445477894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00053867 = 3.636 BTC [+]
1304998;1445478131;Lupul;How can I register with WoT?
1304999;1445478214;mike_c;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets#get-in-the-wot
1305000;1445478215;assbot;first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1jULR5k )
1305001;1445478504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00053867 = 12.5241 BTC [+]
1305002;1445478512;Duffer1;is B-A Helpdesk still a thing?
1305003;1445479839;BingoBoingo;"shall have in his possession a hypodermic syringe, hypodermic needle, or any instrument adapted for the use of controlled substances or cannabis by subcutaneous injection." << Illolnois law, because apparently people shoot up cannabis?
1305004;1445480140;mike_c;what if you have diabetes?
1305005;1445480171;mike_c;i mean, then you *have* to shoot up cannabis, right?
1305006;1445480198;mike_c;<ba-dum clash!>
1305007;1445480281;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1305008;1445480334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00054125 = 35.3436 BTC [+] {5} 
1305009;1445480761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00053935 = 3.8833 BTC [-]
1305010;1445482039;BingoBoingo;http://thecodelesscode.com/case/211
1305011;1445482040;assbot;The Codeless Code:    Case 211 No Magic ... ( http://bit.ly/1hVtj3q )
1305012;1445482042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10169 @ 0.00053867 = 5.4777 BTC [-]
1305013;1445482172;BingoBoingo;!up TravisPatron
1305014;1445482924;TravisPatron;!register E465FB9F065F4BF966AF465407CC5D7C4A0208B8
1305015;1445482924;assbot;Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E465FB9F065F4BF966AF465407CC5D7C4A0208B8. This may take a few moments.
1305016;1445482924;assbot;Key 4A0208B8 / "Travis Patron <travis@diginomics.com>" successfully imported.
1305017;1445482925;assbot;Registration successful.
1305018;1445483011;BingoBoingo;!rate TravisPatron 1 Newcomer, easy come easy go on the tits
1305019;1445483011;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/d0168800fd8ddd2f
1305020;1445483061;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.TravisPatron.1:08121587c7718f4265ff2fbcfab661d538dde57d08ff0a09aa7f13648a1b6238
1305021;1445483061;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for TravisPatron with note: Newcomer, easy come easy go on the tits
1305022;1445483246;BingoBoingo;What brings you around here TravisPatron ??
1305023;1445483872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20659 @ 0.00053554 = 11.0637 BTC [-] {2} 
1305024;1445484128;BingoBoingo;!up TravisPatron Mebbe introduce yourself?
1305025;1445484203;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 sadly, no.
1305026;1445484247;mircea_popescu;TravisPatron so who're you ?
1305027;1445484378;lobbes;he's a strong silent type
1305028;1445484382;BingoBoingo;I think he has some sort of tiff with the Dushmaster. Easy come easy go.
1305029;1445484448;hanbot;this guy https://travispatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/travis-patron.png
1305030;1445484450;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHWHU )
1305031;1445484455;hanbot;Patron has written industry-leading research on the opportunities and implications which come from cryptocurrency such as his recently published book Bitcoin: An Internet of Money which has been one of the most positively-received publications in the cryptocurrency space, garnering 5,000+ downloads to date as an educational and open-sourced research compilation.
1305032;1445484543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00054074 = 16.7359 BTC [+] {3} 
1305033;1445484547;mircea_popescu;oic.
1305034;1445484818;*;TravisPatron waves hello
1305035;1445485279;mircea_popescu;so here's a bizarre matter of fact : if one were to buy a dozen candles and emplace them on a windowsil, so that they're at different heights (say two inches differential tallest to shortest) and let them burn for a half hour or whatever it takes to finger a girl to exhaustion,
1305036;1445485285;mircea_popescu;they will all burn at the same level.
1305037;1445485309;mircea_popescu;candle consensus height wtf.
1305038;1445485378;*;BingoBoingo has played with that before. Candlechain FTW
1305039;1445485388;mircea_popescu;lol
1305040;1445485397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15322 @ 0.00053532 = 8.2022 BTC [-]
1305041;1445485718;BingoBoingo;TravisPatron: If you've got questions about how voice works, try to keep it in the public channel. We're stangers after all.
1305042;1445485801;BingoBoingo;TravisPatron: If you aren't sure how to use commandline GPG correctly, maybe just fire up emacs and let that handle finding things?
1305043;1445485964;BingoBoingo;!up TravisPatron
1305044;1445486190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45765 @ 0.00053111 = 24.3062 BTC [-] {4} 
1305045;1445486383;BingoBoingo;Fuck, Steven Segal got fat
1305046;1445486586;mircea_popescu;what was the alternative, cancer ?
1305047;1445486625;BingoBoingo;Prolly. Either that or elected office.
1305048;1445486739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13839 @ 0.00053818 = 7.4479 BTC [+] {3} 
1305049;1445487227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49655 @ 0.00053097 = 26.3653 BTC [-]
1305050;1445487349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00052997 = 24.3256 BTC [-] {5} 
1305051;1445487442;BingoBoingo;!up pete_dushenski
1305052;1445487449;BingoBoingo;!up TravisPatron
1305053;1445487460;BingoBoingo;Let the lulz begin!
1305054;1445487492;pete_dushenski;bwahah indeed
1305055;1445487517;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-07-2015#1187351 << wonder if gribble actually sent this one through lol
1305056;1445487517;assbot;Logged on 04-07-2015 21:08:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell travispatron you sucked before, you suck now, and you will always suck. enjoy the periphery, derp.
1305057;1445487522;BingoBoingo;Also latest South Park, worth it
1305058;1445487602;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305026 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/ and http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/29/the-economics-of-sinking-garzikcoin-aka-bip-100/#footnote_6_5115
1305059;1445487602;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 03:24:07; mircea_popescu: TravisPatron so who're you ?
1305060;1445487603;assbot;5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet.  | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hVDNjr )
1305061;1445487605;assbot;The economics of sinking Garzikcoin aka BIP 100. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hVDQf5 )
1305062;1445487644;pete_dushenski;honestly, i'm absolutely flabbergasted that 'travispatron' showed up here and registered a key. like someone pick me up off the floor plox.
1305063;1445487664;BingoBoingo;He's voiced
1305064;1445487690;pete_dushenski;and now that he's in your wot, he can self-voice too :)
1305065;1445487708;BingoBoingo;For now, easy come easy go, as the line says
1305066;1445487751;BingoBoingo;Figured maybe I'd be asleep and waking up to a convo in the logs would be a great way to start the morning
1305067;1445487803;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305029 << pic looks 50x better than ripped-off 'bitcoin backs time' video i skipped through a few months back.
1305068;1445487803;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 03:27:28; hanbot: this guy https://travispatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/travis-patron.png
1305069;1445487836;pete_dushenski;TravisPatron: anyways, hello again.
1305070;1445487898;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00054151 = 4.5487 BTC [+] {3} 
1305071;1445487961;pete_dushenski;TravisPatron: i see you've skipped numbers 1 and 2 and shot over straight to 3 and 4 from my last letter to you. any plans to rectify this oversight ?
1305072;1445487996;pete_dushenski;namely, and i quote "1. Humbly submit before me, which is to say, drop the fake bullshit where you pretend like we’re equals and you play it all cool like I’m doing ~you~ some sort of favour by reading whatever shannonised shards you’ve cobbled together into sentences. 2. Acknowledge that the Internet most certainly has rules, and apologise publicly for your previous transgressions."
1305073;1445488059;asciilifeform;watch it be some unrelated schmuck, going 'wtf'
1305074;1445488097;pete_dushenski;lolz!
1305075;1445488162;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: let him voice himself next time
1305076;1445488191;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: He's gotta figure it out
1305077;1445488195;pete_dushenski;i wanna see him step up the plate unassisted
1305078;1445488266;pete_dushenski;up to*
1305079;1445488386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106600 @ 0.00054166 = 57.741 BTC [+] {6} 
1305080;1445488417;TravisPatron;pete_dushenski claims I stole his article entitled 'Does Time Back Bitcoin or Bitcoin Back Time'. In response, he posted a completely uncalled for comment on our website - I responded by giving him due attribution to his article because his article sparked my interest - far from plagiarism. He then continued with rude comments and posted a completely unprofessional article on his Contravex blog. The article I wrote was never stol
1305081;1445488417;TravisPatron;en, it was completely original. All of our work at www.diginomics.com is original and will continue to be. The bitcoin community has many enemies. We do not need to be making enemies of one another. The actions of pete_dushenski demonstrate his character and it is one not needed in this industry.
1305082;1445488494;BingoBoingo;TravisPatron: But you have to admit, you are kind of a stranger to the actual Bitcoin industry
1305083;1445488618;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: you don't understand how the world works, bitcoin needs more professionalism and less making enemies of one another
1305084;1445488637;BingoBoingo;"In my safe space..."
1305085;1445488774;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305073 << except E465FB9F065F4BF966AF465407CC5D7C4A0208B8 matches the key from previous correspondence ;/
1305086;1445488774;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 04:27:39; asciilifeform: watch it be some unrelated schmuck, going 'wtf'
1305087;1445488798;liquidassets;investors don't even want to HEAR the word bitcoin anymore, you guyz are ruining it!
1305088;1445488807;pete_dushenski;and yea, the above is sufficiently corroborating
1305089;1445488829;pete_dushenski;liquidassets: how about nioctib ?
1305090;1445488886;liquidassets;is that how it works on ebay now?
1305091;1445488890;pete_dushenski;or pig latin : coinbitay
1305092;1445488893;mircea_popescu;hm, is there drama ?
1305093;1445488935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0005364 = 7.9924 BTC [-]
1305094;1445488953;mircea_popescu;TravisPatron dun sweat it too much, i don't think pete_dushenski aims to be all that professional
1305095;1445488956;mircea_popescu;whatever that may mean.
1305096;1445488960;liquidassets;excited I got my first shares of mpoe today
1305097;1445489025;liquidassets;but seems that it doesn't pay dividend anymore?
1305098;1445489037;mircea_popescu;<liquidassets> investors don't even want to HEAR the word bitcoin anymore, you guyz are ruining it! << said investors' daughters coming up next.
1305099;1445489125;pete_dushenski;bbias
1305100;1445489240;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 362 @ 0.00426175 = 1.5428 BTC [+] {5} 
1305101;1445489501;pete_dushenski;back
1305102;1445489555;liquidassets;They'll make faster learners MP
1305103;1445489574;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2015#1304916 << ;)
1305104;1445489574;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 23:09:42; mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
1305105;1445489604;mircea_popescu;experience seems to indicate.
1305106;1445489605;liquidassets;woman seem to in general be faster learners
1305107;1445489640;mircea_popescu;bitcoin needs ustard "investors" like isis needs a shipment of dildos.
1305108;1445489701;pete_dushenski;i bet a few of them have mpex keys
1305109;1445489718;pete_dushenski;i mean seats
1305110;1445489763;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Buttcoin loves U too https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3pohex/london_school_of_economics_shits_on_bitcoin_vc/
1305111;1445489764;assbot;London School of Economics Shits on Bitcoin VC Investments : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBDed0 )
1305112;1445489767;liquidassets;fuck they want anyway, I'm so tuned out with the latest
1305113;1445489887;pete_dushenski;why the fuck is there that some 'citigroup' banner glued to the bottom of r/buttcoin ?
1305114;1445489907;mircea_popescu;must be comedic.
1305115;1445489939;pete_dushenski;"It's hilarious that they also think Lawsky left due to the outrage from the bitcoin community.." mkay
1305116;1445489960;mircea_popescu;haha who thinks this ?
1305117;1445489960;BingoBoingo;Because citigroups has as little to do against buttcoin as it can Bitcoin
1305118;1445489968;mircea_popescu;lawski left because i canned his dumb ass.
1305119;1445489977;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3pohex/london_school_of_economics_shits_on_bitcoin_vc/cw855cl
1305120;1445489978;assbot;mikeyouse comments on London School of Economics Shits on Bitcoin VC Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBDzfN )
1305121;1445490019;*;mircea_popescu is too lazy to click on reddit because wutevs.
1305122;1445490069;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the assbot feed is all you need : 'mikeyouse' is your answer
1305123;1445490098;mircea_popescu;nick doesn't ring a bell
1305124;1445490114;pete_dushenski;he's no stubnuts
1305125;1445490159;BingoBoingo;Not mine
1305126;1445490208;pete_dushenski;!s stubnuts
1305127;1445490208;assbot;3 results for 'stubnuts' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stubnuts
1305128;1445490311;pete_dushenski;TravisPatron: pete_dushenski claims I stole << ftr you plagiarised, which is to stealing what not calling your sister back is to taking her virginity
1305129;1445490354;mircea_popescu;waitwut
1305130;1445490398;pete_dushenski;which part ?
1305131;1445490440;mircea_popescu;any of it.
1305132;1445490578;BingoBoingo;Apparently a bunch of lamestream journos fell for http://nbc.com.co/yelp-sues-south-park-for-10-million-over-episode/ << note the .co
1305133;1445490580;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBEPzL )
1305134;1445490594;mircea_popescu;"The purpose of the note isn't to convey information, it is to convey mood, and the seemingly random and contradictory positions he takes on issues is all in an attempt to win you, the reader, over to his side. He knows for sure he is angry, he knows for sure he feels wronged, but he can't logically and realistically link the real world events to his level of anger."
1305135;1445490600;BingoBoingo;;;google south park sued by yelp
1305136;1445490600;gribble;Yelp Sues South Park For $10 Million Over Latest Episode - NBC ...: <http://nbc.com.co/yelp-sues-south-park-for-10-million-over-episode/>; No, Yelp Is Not Suing 'South Park' for $10 Million - Eater: <http://www.eater.com/2015/10/21/9582228/yelp-not-suing-south-park-for-10-million-satire-hoax>; FALSE: Yelp Sues South Park for $10 Million Over Latest Episode ...: (1 more message)
1305137;1445490602;mircea_popescu;ok, tlp fucks up the joe stack thing something incredible.
1305138;1445490606;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/the_rage_of_the_average_joe.html <<
1305139;1445490607;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Rage Of The Average Joe ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBO0xp )
1305140;1445490652;mircea_popescu;whole lotta "nothing can justify killing so lalalala i can't hear you whatever you say is gonna be 'can't logically and realistically link' blabla!11"
1305141;1445490741;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ok so travispatron grabbed a quote from an article of mine without proper attribution or link. i wouldn't have known had he not left a comment on my original article with an embedded link back to his rip-off. the gall. anyways, i do up an 'unprofessional' article clarifying the do's and don't of blogging and commenting. he continues to ostrich. life goes on for another few months. he hoity-toitel
1305142;1445490741;pete_dushenski;y asks me for feedback on an article. i tell him do 1-2-3-4 and we'll talk. no answer. more time passes. then he shows up here with 'pete said i stole but i didn't', which i happen to agree with. he plagiarised.
1305143;1445490761;mircea_popescu;so then he linked and whatever, isn't disputing you inspired him or w/e ?
1305144;1445490838;pete_dushenski;all's well but the claim that 'pete said i stole', for whatever that's worth, which probably isn't much truth be told
1305145;1445490862;pete_dushenski;so ya, all good
1305146;1445490948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39206 @ 0.00053679 = 21.0454 BTC [+] {5} 
1305147;1445490948;mircea_popescu;gotta loosen up petey.
1305148;1445490965;pete_dushenski;ha, tell me something i don't know
1305149;1445491019;pete_dushenski;being around this much crying isn't without consequences !
1305150;1445491040;*;pete_dushenski doesn't actually have it that bad...
1305151;1445491051;mircea_popescu;you ever seen daisy diamond ?
1305152;1445491064;pete_dushenski;possibly but the name doesn't ring a bell
1305153;1445491078;mircea_popescu;well, if you wanna rattle mrs dushenski, sit her down for that flick.
1305154;1445491106;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/daisy-diamond/ (romanian, tho.)
1305155;1445491107;assbot;Daisy Diamond on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBFOzM )
1305156;1445491184;pete_dushenski;i'll keep that in my back pocket in case a particularly mundane stretch of parenting should eclipse :)
1305157;1445491217;*;BingoBoingo still hopes to be around in five years when pete_dushenski decides on boarding school as the appropriate course for young Pantagruel's Kindergarten
1305158;1445491231;pete_dushenski;haha!
1305159;1445491251;pete_dushenski;what am i, british ?
1305160;1445491251;BingoBoingo;How else is he going to have to opportunity to tap dat teacher ass?
1305161;1445491271;BingoBoingo;Candadian with is exactly british. The Royal cunt is still on your money.
1305162;1445491292;pete_dushenski;s/money/toilet paper
1305163;1445491321;BingoBoingo;Still more British than Scotland, which at least talks publically of leaving.
1305164;1445491424;pete_dushenski;ftr the only 'mrs. dushenski' in this city is one of my aunts. not even in meatwot as i rarely see her.
1305165;1445491438;mircea_popescu;o you're not even weddified ?!
1305166;1445491530;pete_dushenski;au contraire, i just don't play with wimminz who aren't sufficiently independent and self-made to warrant losing their maiden names !
1305167;1445491531;BingoBoingo;http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/155042994/marshawn-lynch-financial-advice-seahawks << Sports media is censoring the part where Beast Mode is pro-Bitcoin. More quality USD likely coming into Bitcoin from Athletics than Silicon Valley.
1305168;1445491532;assbot;Marshawn Lynch is doling out financial advice to teammates. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBGMvY )
1305169;1445491558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0005407 = 8.3809 BTC [+] {3} 
1305170;1445491559;mircea_popescu;intereskin.
1305171;1445491625;BingoBoingo;Marshawn is interesting, too short to get hit that hard in the head. Kinda like Bernard Hopkins in the way he fucks with reporters.
1305172;1445491751;BingoBoingo;An extra inch and a half of height and he'd probably be as crippled as the former running backs his age. Even if he till he's that beat to retire still likely got more left in his head than fucking Altman.
1305173;1445491813;BingoBoingo;Does the vague "I like Bitcoin" thing instead of the Mike Tyson "I need to keep the heat on this winter, and scamzors are paying" thing.
1305174;1445491884;BingoBoingo;Still doesn't lurk here so probably getting scammed in at least 1 shart up
1305175;1445491924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00054143 = 10.7203 BTC [+]
1305176;1445491985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00053267 = 3.8352 BTC [-]
1305177;1445492097;pete_dushenski;http://delicioustacos.com/2015/09/12/id-rather-watch-hitler-rape-my-mom-than-date-a-woman-my-own-age/
1305178;1445492098;assbot;I’d Rather Watch Hitler Rape My Mom Than Date a Woman My Own Age | delicioustacos ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVrLNz )
1305179;1445492146;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/the_massacre_of_the_unicorns_i.html << omfg this is the epiphany of all time. observe this insanity at work :
1305180;1445492148;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Massacre Of The Unicorns II ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVrR7N )
1305181;1445492148;BingoBoingo;http://thebulletin.org/japan-should-restart-more-nuclear-power-plants8817 << Or Maybe Japan is completely unsuited for electricty generation at all
1305182;1445492150;assbot;Japan should restart more nuclear power plants | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVrOJ7 )
1305183;1445492190;mircea_popescu;1. what is depression ? uhhhh ; 2. do you know how they measure it ? hamiltonian scale. most of which is sleep loss and weight loss. ; 3. do you know what zyprexa is ? "antidepressant", aka a sedative that fattens you.
1305184;1445492212;mircea_popescu;jesus fucking christ this is going to be my go-to test-taking optimization example from now on.
1305185;1445492377;BingoBoingo;3. do you know what zyprexa is ? "antidepressant", aka a sedative that fattens you. << Only a thing, because the tend is nao labeling "depression" as "bipolar depression" when patients are a pain so this a the excuse to stick them on an anti-manic/anti-psychotic like zyprexa. Get them outta the civilized clinic and into the medicaid one
1305186;1445492413;mircea_popescu;aha.
1305187;1445492456;mircea_popescu;im not disputing that the system works within its own logic. i'm merely saying, that "logic" is neither self aware nor to be approached like a human endeavour. it's monkey business, bring chisels.
1305188;1445492513;BingoBoingo;Olanzapiene (trade name: Zyprexa) is approved for acute mania, which in clinical practice turns into Bipolar in general. The side effects it shares with Haldol are gentler with Zyprexa, but introduces new ones like Da Beetus.
1305189;1445492530;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That is an insult to monkeys
1305190;1445492552;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQmdoK_ZfY << monkey business
1305191;1445492553;assbot;The Monkey Business Illusion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBIjSC )
1305192;1445492553;mircea_popescu;but diabethes is good for you. moar checks.
1305193;1445492583;BingoBoingo;Different doctor though takes the money for treating the Beetus
1305194;1445492600;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo just between you and me and anyone who might care to listen in, i don't like monkeys. none, at all. would not object to a plan to exterminate all monkey types, nor do i see much value in preservation of images, records and such.
1305195;1445492661;BingoBoingo;I'm indifferent to monkeys. Part of me says lets get rid of this disease vector. Another part wonders what they did to me other than Obola.
1305196;1445492672;mircea_popescu;all through the "endangered gorillas" craze of the 90s all i could think was "these people seriously need better hobbies"
1305197;1445492731;BingoBoingo;Gorillas are funny though in an ironic sense. 800 lb primates with inch and a half cocks and abrely any balls. Basically US police officers. Carl Mark Force IV in the fur.
1305198;1445492773;mircea_popescu;i also don't happen to think that "anthropology" conducted on the various types of monkey has any value whatsoever. it's roughly on the level of freud's practice, bored rich impotent folk want to play with their cock "elevatedly".
1305199;1445492796;mircea_popescu;sure, they have some value as rat substitutes for biological/biochemistry research. not much from what i can tell, rats are cheaper and faster.
1305200;1445492826;mircea_popescu;other than that, "studying" monkeys to "understand" people is not unlike bugging the neighbour's appartment to "understand" why your wife cheated on you.
1305201;1445492840;BingoBoingo;Mice faster still. Occasionally dogs and bunny rabbits, make still more specific targets than apes.
1305202;1445492845;mircea_popescu;different fucking houses yo. and the usual ignorance with "we descended from monkeys" is particularly poignant.
1305203;1445492856;mircea_popescu;no, we did not. both monkeys and us descdended from the same thing. which was not a monkey.
1305204;1445492875;BingoBoingo;We didn't "descend" from them. We split after an angry christmas holiday.
1305205;1445492876;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, chimps and people evolved the same time interval, and separately. so go ask geese, for the same money.
1305206;1445492923;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> other than that, "studying" monkeys to "understand" people is not unlike bugging the neighbour's appartment to "understand" why your wife cheated on you. << Makes the basis of a number of pulp murder mysteries.
1305207;1445492932;mircea_popescu;sure sure, and king kong.
1305208;1445492936;mircea_popescu;i never saw it.
1305209;1445492993;BingoBoingo;My narrative of the split is that brother chimp was happy with just taking the jungle fruit welfare, and brother man decided fuck that and made the ground his bitch inventing agriculture.
1305210;1445493055;mircea_popescu;there's a huge gap between the split and agriculture. you're missing the voice, pastoral life, a lot.
1305211;1445493086;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ << voice. big deal.
1305212;1445493087;assbot;The bicameral world : in one room, the city dump. In the other room, the starred restaurant. Do these talk to each other ? Read on to find out! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBJba1 )
1305213;1445493089;BingoBoingo;Then again Romanian education presented to mircea_popescu the blowjob slut bonobo as the "chimp" and cannibal violence machine is presented in Anglophone culture as the chimp.
1305214;1445493118;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's the way of over there. ro notion of bear is mostly "this cute thing".
1305215;1445493124;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> there's a huge gap between the split and agriculture. you're missing the voice, pastoral life, a lot. << A lot, but fuckers didn't write shit down
1305216;1445493162;BingoBoingo;Here bear alternates. Bear you can punch and Bear you can't punch co-exist.
1305217;1445493229;BingoBoingo;But still here all cats of a certain size are still on the walk away and buy a big dog list.
1305218;1445493388;BingoBoingo;Then again in parts of south Asia Elephants are friendly tractors until they need to get their nut off and turn into murder machines
1305219;1445493616;mircea_popescu;from what i gather the latter behaviour is mostly human-reactive.
1305220;1445493633;mircea_popescu;much like the teenager is only "unruly" if dumbass anette bening of a mother keeps getting in the way,
1305221;1445493642;BingoBoingo;Could be.
1305222;1445493693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00054156 = 23.3683 BTC [+] {3} 
1305223;1445493937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00054131 = 11.2051 BTC [-]
1305224;1445494452;BingoBoingo;"Pierre Eymard and friends were studying novel antieplieptics, and used dipropylacetic acid (a solvent) as both an intravenous  vehicle for the drug, and as placebo.  They observed that the placebo worked, too, preventing seizures at the higher concentrations. If this had been a phenotype without visible effects, it would have been a perfectly ordinary conclusion that drug was not better than dipropylacetic acid-- aka Depakote"
1305225;1445494547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45250 @ 0.00053267 = 24.1033 BTC [-] {2} 
1305226;1445494659;BingoBoingo;"In order for it to be successfully rebranded, everyone who learned it the other way has to die."
1305227;1445495035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50891 @ 0.00053267 = 27.1081 BTC [-]
1305228;1445495776;BingoBoingo;IGN was never good, but they made the never list. If you have literally anything better to do with your time than monkeythropology skip https://archive.is/ptmkk
1305229;1445495777;assbot;South Park: "Safe Space" Review - IGN ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaxcQl )
1305230;1445497475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.0005401 = 8.0745 BTC [+] {2} 
1305231;1445498692;punkman;https://twitter.com/WholeFoods/status/657029500354453507
1305232;1445498902;BingoBoingo;punkman: I think they got the season long storyline thing down now after trying it last year.
1305233;1445499087;punkman;BingoBoingo: what was last season's theme?
1305234;1445499103;BingoBoingo;Social media narcissism
1305235;1445499122;punkman;this season is not bad so far
1305236;1445499124;BingoBoingo;Less coherent though
1305237;1445499147;BingoBoingo;This season as a whole I think so far matches their best single episodes in the bast
1305238;1445499152;BingoBoingo;*past
1305239;1445499222;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CZe5DXeYzw  look ma no hands!!!11
1305240;1445499223;assbot;Tesla Model S version 7 Autopilot Speeding Ticket Auto Steering Demo on Streets, Highway, Traffic - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1jVdOtK )
1305241;1445499303;BingoBoingo;Tesla pretty much killed all its PR goodwill in a week
1305242;1445499305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13799 @ 0.00054008 = 7.4526 BTC [-]
1305243;1445501135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51008 @ 0.0005386 = 27.4729 BTC [-] {3} 
1305244;1445501196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24908 @ 0.00054048 = 13.4623 BTC [+] {5} 
1305245;1445501379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00053776 = 19.4938 BTC [-]
1305246;1445502538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00053835 = 8.2906 BTC [+] {3} 
1305247;1445503026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59050 @ 0.00053935 = 31.8486 BTC [+]
1305248;1445503148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00053206 = 21.8411 BTC [-] {3} 
1305249;1445504429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16437 @ 0.00053671 = 8.8219 BTC [+]
1305250;1445504856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00053152 = 12.4907 BTC [-]
1305251;1445505039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00053693 = 12.0272 BTC [+] {3} 
1305252;1445507052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130752 @ 0.0005388 = 70.4492 BTC [+] {5} 
1305253;1445507845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32250 @ 0.00053597 = 17.285 BTC [-]
1305254;1445509858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00053072 = 34.0722 BTC [-] {7} 
1305255;1445510285;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 474 @ 0.00424371 = 2.0115 BTC [-] {2} 
1305256;1445511020;kakobrekla;!rate newsbtc -1 rats
1305257;1445511020;assbot;newsbtc is not registered in WoT.
1305258;1445511200;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39123 @ 0.0005415 = 21.1851 BTC [+] {3} 
1305259;1445511261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86777 @ 0.0005427 = 47.0939 BTC [+] {4} 
1305260;1445511871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26089 @ 0.00052774 = 13.7682 BTC [-]
1305261;1445513335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43807 @ 0.00053267 = 23.3347 BTC [+]
1305262;1445513457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11243 @ 0.00052879 = 5.9452 BTC [-]
1305263;1445513672;jurov;https://www.facebook.com/ExtremeFarm/videos/896232443785948/
1305264;1445513673;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUnD6U )
1305265;1445513762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109163 @ 0.00053219 = 58.0955 BTC [+] {7} 
1305266;1445513778;kakobrekla;Flash Unavailable - We are having trouble playing this video.
1305267;1445513812;jurov;nothing important anyway
1305268;1445513823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13687 @ 0.00052713 = 7.2148 BTC [-]
1305269;1445514677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00053666 = 5.3666 BTC [+]
1305270;1445514738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22572 @ 0.00053666 = 12.1135 BTC [+]
1305271;1445514799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8678 @ 0.00052884 = 4.5893 BTC [-]
1305272;1445515409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4190 @ 0.00054238 = 2.2726 BTC [+]
1305273;1445515531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11860 @ 0.00053797 = 6.3803 BTC [-]
1305274;1445515592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159096 @ 0.00054442 = 86.615 BTC [+] {9} 
1305275;1445518642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11638 @ 0.00054553 = 6.3489 BTC [+]
1305276;1445520106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106300 @ 0.00054656 = 58.0993 BTC [+] {6} 
1305277;1445522912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00054686 = 16.2144 BTC [+]
1305278;1445523543;thestringpuller;;;ticker
1305279;1445523544;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.8, Best ask: 275.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 275.82, 24 hour volume: 24411.82846246, 24 hour low: 267.13, 24 hour high: 279.97, 24 hour vwap: None
1305280;1445523687;shinohai;$275 O.o
1305281;1445524071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113850 @ 0.00054794 = 62.383 BTC [+] {7} 
1305282;1445525657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00054494 = 17.1111 BTC [-]
1305283;1445526633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00054833 = 5.2091 BTC [+] {3} 
1305284;1445527040;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/LtNriik.png   <<< truth
1305285;1445527040;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LI29FT )
1305286;1445527426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00054964 = 9.1515 BTC [+] {3} 
1305287;1445527834;mod6;The Bitcoin Foundation is one year old today.  Happy Birthday!
1305288;1445527944;mircea_popescu;happy bday!
1305289;1445528123;shinohai;\o/
1305290;1445528341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00054539 = 16.1981 BTC [-]
1305291;1445528585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00055002 = 9.7629 BTC [+] {3} 
1305292;1445528646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00054571 = 20.4368 BTC [-] {3} 
1305293;1445528807;ben_vulpes;my how time flies
1305294;1445528835;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: my own personal uranium mines
1305295;1445528865;ben_vulpes;shinohai: tolerate schmolerate
1305296;1445528882;ben_vulpes;do you just let the toilet leak?
1305297;1445528929;shinohai;Nothing duct tape can't fix.
1305298;1445529008;ben_vulpes;duct tape can't fix steel beams.
1305299;1445529166;mircea_popescu;where's that engineering fixkit
1305300;1445529172;mircea_popescu;"does it move ? should it ?"
1305301;1445529364;shinohai;Vagina is dry, little wd-40 mebbe.
1305302;1445529390;ben_vulpes;i just glare
1305303;1445529770;ben_vulpes;shinohai: a woman recently told me that "caring for her family was the most rewarding job [she'd] ever had"
1305304;1445529780;ben_vulpes;why is that attitude so uncommon?
1305305;1445529837;mircea_popescu;does it move ? yes -> should it ? yes no problem / no -> duct tape | no  -> should it ? yes wd40 no - >no p[roblem
1305306;1445529855;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes because it makes zero fucking sense. it is not a job.
1305307;1445529879;mircea_popescu;the only people who go "sitting quietly in the car is the best car driving they ever did" are mentally ill 15 yos.
1305308;1445529897;mircea_popescu;who a) should not be driving ; b) want to be driving ; c) can't find a sane way out of this.
1305309;1445529923;ben_vulpes;what the work of cooking and cleaning and throwing dinner parties isn't work somehow?
1305310;1445529929;mircea_popescu;it is not.
1305311;1445529942;mircea_popescu;if you think it is, train a slave to do it at home, try to hire a brutha to do it at your diner.
1305312;1445529947;mircea_popescu;see how they compare, see why.
1305313;1445529965;ben_vulpes;sounds like quite a lot of work to me
1305314;1445529971;mircea_popescu;work != job.
1305315;1445529978;mircea_popescu;labour != value
1305316;1445529979;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1305317;1445530018;ben_vulpes;i value the place's cleanliness, tidiness and general quality of things and food around
1305318;1445530025;mircea_popescu;good for you!
1305319;1445530051;mircea_popescu;but the POINT of jobs is for the employees to be fungible. the point of house slaves is for the slaves to be the opposite of fungible.
1305320;1445530064;ben_vulpes;aha, this
1305321;1445530076;mircea_popescu;among other many things. they're really orthogonal things.
1305322;1445530090;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would the woman have to apologize for not being retarded by calling what she does ia job is beyond me.
1305323;1445530133;ben_vulpes;*parser error*
1305324;1445530150;mircea_popescu;"caring for her family was the most rewarding job [she'd] ever had" aka "my domestic slavery is a much more fulfilling, pleasant and empowering personal situation than your job will ever hope to get". that's what it is.
1305325;1445530161;mircea_popescu;"o but we decided slavery is bad". yeah, like ballas decided killing is never right.
1305326;1445530165;shinohai;Sounds like my ex wife for sure.
1305327;1445530167;ben_vulpes;perhaps (iiuyc) it's the american tic of 'job'.
1305328;1445530178;mircea_popescu;deeper than that. it's the american tic of raceysm.
1305329;1445530185;ben_vulpes;wuthao
1305330;1445530192;shinohai;Fulfilling because her fat American ass wasn't going to do any of that.
1305331;1445530299;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how does 'raceysm' figure into this
1305332;1445530352;mircea_popescu;because "raceysm" is the shorthand for a social convention, that's on one hand nonsensical, and on the other precludes people who are slaves from addressing their slavery as such. it must be called something else. because lo and behold, a person who does work for no pay at the behest of her masters is now "in a job" hurr durr.
1305333;1445530371;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with just introducing yourself as "domestic slave" ? oh, i saw that in a film once. better call it "housewife"
1305334;1445530382;mircea_popescu;o wait no, that's bad also. gotta call it what, motherjob now ?
1305335;1445530385;ben_vulpes;aheyheahuhea
1305336;1445530394;ben_vulpes;tis one of the jobs alf would kill for
1305337;1445530408;mircea_popescu;except it's not a job and so he can't have it.
1305338;1445530411;ben_vulpes;"i don't care how long you sleep or how long it takes you but this place better be clean and my underwear rolled in that drawer"
1305339;1445530415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35085 @ 0.00054429 = 19.0964 BTC [-] {3} 
1305340;1445530423;ben_vulpes;'jobs'
1305341;1445530429;mircea_popescu;see how the culture subtly ensures people are unhappy ?
1305342;1445530444;mircea_popescu;he can't see all this because reasons, of the TYPE of the reason that's "raceysm" even if not exactly identical.
1305343;1445530452;ben_vulpes;he's a russian, they're genetically already ensured to be unhappy
1305344;1445530467;mircea_popescu;no, they're genetically ensured to be wistful.
1305345;1445530472;mircea_popescu;they gotta be unhappy on their own dime.
1305346;1445530562;ben_vulpes;mother, another unfungible role.
1305347;1445530568;mircea_popescu;"oh but being a slave is bad!11". sure. except if you believe this someone will extract value out of you by calling it something else. "but i already do that, you think this brand name medicine is worth the difference from generics ?" right-o.
1305348;1445530589;ben_vulpes;yeah but i also don't care to have that conversation every single day
1305349;1445530594;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1305350;1445530608;mircea_popescu;"son, your mother has cancer. here's a line-up of applicants for the job."
1305351;1445530609;ben_vulpes;"wife" works around here.
1305352;1445530631;mircea_popescu;i have the blessed chomsky advantage. apparently this is rare, but, i don't mind bothering people.
1305353;1445530673;ben_vulpes;chomsky advantage?
1305354;1445530693;mircea_popescu;yeah. not giving a shit about having the same conversation with different dumb people every day.
1305355;1445530719;mircea_popescu;(more precisely : not giving enough of a shit to cave - mowing down the dumb people doesn't count.)
1305356;1445530823;ben_vulpes;strikes me as a colossal waste of time, but then again i'm not a fantastically wealthy financier.
1305357;1445530842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00055014 = 6.7117 BTC [+]
1305358;1445530870;ben_vulpes;my domain is small and the fields need working if we are to eat through the winter.
1305359;1445530876;*;ben_vulpes to the mines
1305360;1445530904;mircea_popescu;and getting back to slavery (as a historical consturct this time) and the subtle perversion of culture : in the ten billion discussions of how badly antebellum slaves had it that point out that they were being educated (misrepresented as "beatings" and horror, of course), how many stop to point out that a) they didn't starve periodically like their northern counterparts and b) if they behaved had lifetime, even GENERAT
1305361;1445530904;mircea_popescu;IONAL security ?
1305362;1445530923;mircea_popescu;"oh, slavery meant immunity from foreclosure ?" "be a good non-slave jobsman and don't thionk about that!"
1305363;1445530948;mircea_popescu;"wait, for them and their grandkids ? my family was foreclosed on five times in three generations! " "don't you have it so much better ? FORTY ACRES AND A MULE!!1"
1305364;1445531034;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it is a collosal waste of time. the problem with time however is that it can be but wasted - whatever you do with it can not be traded for the time it took. not at a profit, not at all. so... waste, all of it anyway.
1305365;1445531066;mircea_popescu;but yes, i agree, it's a waste.
1305366;1445531574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00054721 = 14.5284 BTC [-]
1305367;1445532062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39777 @ 0.0005498 = 21.8694 BTC [+] {4} 
1305368;1445532428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35641 @ 0.00055018 = 19.609 BTC [+] {3} 
1305369;1445532601;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1305370;1445532608;ascii_field;from the lulzatron: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/jimmy-carter-offers-help-for-russias-bombing-campaign-in-syria
1305371;1445532610;assbot;Jimmy Carter Offers Help for Russia’s Bombing Campaign in Syria - Washington Free Beacon ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWq36r )
1305372;1445532729;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305336 << wai wut.
1305373;1445532729;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 16:13:14; ben_vulpes: tis one of the jobs alf would kill for
1305374;1445532856;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305362 << nobody abolished slavery, ever. but a few generations of ascendant industrial degenerates ~did~ find a way to dispense with the parts they disliked - the ones where you have to actually care for your pets
1305375;1445532856;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 16:22:03; mircea_popescu: "oh, slavery meant immunity from foreclosure ?" "be a good non-slave jobsman and don't thionk about that!"
1305376;1445532883;mircea_popescu;aha.
1305377;1445532900;mircea_popescu;which is stupid in the first place. it's like dispensing with the part of your food that you don't like - where it nourishes you.
1305378;1445532904;mircea_popescu;well done Anorexia!
1305379;1445532913;ascii_field;hey they also did this.
1305380;1445532940;ascii_field;(in usa, one can buy, e.g., potato chips, that emerge straight from your arse chemically unchanged)
1305381;1445533032;mircea_popescu;olestra ftw!
1305382;1445533049;mircea_popescu;anywya, more power for them, glhf, all that.
1305383;1445533058;thestringpuller;vmware all hands on employee meeting starts
1305384;1445533062;thestringpuller;stock plummets
1305385;1445533076;ascii_field;that long-awaited dream of hyoomankind, the arse-mouth-system, is not far.
1305386;1445533085;ascii_field;plug in the hose, 'eat' all you like.
1305387;1445533119;thestringpuller;human centipede?
1305388;1445533144;ascii_field;human perpetuum mobile.
1305389;1445533185;lobbes;or poop back into bag, re-sell as 'locally sourced'
1305390;1445533202;ascii_field;!b 5
1305391;1445533203;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S9YM6C.txt )
1305392;1445533256;thestringpuller;"hey guise don't sell your stock" - to the employees, while all big investors sell out
1305393;1445533393;mircea_popescu;big investors are not necessarily useful signal.
1305394;1445533680;thestringpuller;mos def. but i find it scandalous if you use employees as bagholders...
1305395;1445533729;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1305396;1445533766;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with finance, and stock warrants and such. they gotta make up their own minds. which means think.
1305397;1445533770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00054669 = 9.0204 BTC [-]
1305398;1445533855;thestringpuller;yea, the employee stock plan, (giving us bonuses in stock, and offering pre-tax paycheck stock purchases), is essentially a stock warrant. i'm not invested in it, cause most of these companies tend to use employees as bagholders.
1305399;1445533949;mircea_popescu;well properly speaking, most of these companies are not companies with employees, they're more like work clubs or some sort of co-op.
1305400;1445533960;mircea_popescu;you're only a bagholder inasmuch as the shit you made wasn't worth anything anyway.
1305401;1445533979;mircea_popescu;(which is almost always the case, which is why SV loves to "pay" in equity)
1305402;1445534168;mircea_popescu;deedbot- https://xotika.tv/static/report_06102015_v2.html.asc
1305403;1445534169;assbot;XOtika.TV Statement - 08/06/2015 to 06/10/2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWsW7h )
1305404;1445534172;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1305405;1445534929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77006 @ 0.00053931 = 41.5301 BTC [-] {5} 
1305406;1445535454;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/J2ZkS#selection-623.68-623.103 << i lolled. Naphex that dude seriously didn't manage to repo his own servers ?
1305407;1445535455;assbot;btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krkjdd )
1305408;1445537187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00053567 = 4.0175 BTC [-]
1305409;1445538170;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1305410;1445538197;ascii_field;phun phakt: systemd HARD FREEZES a box with no chance of recovery if it runs into just about ANY issue at boot time.
1305411;1445538577;ascii_field;unrelated (or not!) - http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/math.jpg
1305412;1445538578;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmIu5M )
1305413;1445538827;BingoBoingo;Related
1305414;1445539199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00053535 = 18.5766 BTC [-] {2} 
1305415;1445539382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36993 @ 0.00053811 = 19.9063 BTC [+] {3} 
1305416;1445539992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00054449 = 2.5047 BTC [+]
1305417;1445540297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00053432 = 18.5676 BTC [-] {5} 
1305418;1445540432;fluffypony;https://aphyr.com/posts/322-call-me-maybe-mongodb-stale-reads
1305419;1445540434;assbot;Call me maybe: MongoDB stale reads ... ( http://bit.ly/1jWCvG3 )
1305420;1445540440;fluffypony;guize let's use Mongo for financial applications
1305421;1445540444;fluffypony;it's totally safe
1305422;1445540471;mircea_popescu;lol
1305423;1445540666;mircea_popescu;ascii_field this behaviour is an improvement over windows' reboot cycle.
1305424;1445540672;mircea_popescu;also without any chance of recovery.
1305425;1445540693;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1305426;1445540706;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it is actually an exact copy of 'bsod'
1305427;1445540724;mircea_popescu;aha.
1305428;1445540752;mircea_popescu;hey, it will drive linux adoption [to all the schmucks who will not run linux unless it's really windows]
1305429;1445540802;ascii_field;the lulzy part is that i lost (for all intents & purposes) a whole physical box to this
1305430;1445540843;ascii_field;(if there were a recovery prompt, as in normal sys5-style init, it would be fixable. as it is, whole thing - os lives on nand flash for which i haven't the emergency reflash clips - is a writeoff)
1305431;1445540876;jurov;it does not have singleuser mode?
1305432;1445540879;jurov;wow
1305433;1445540882;ascii_field;not triggerable
1305434;1445540899;mircea_popescu;why tghe fuck were you running it ?!
1305435;1445540930;ascii_field;weird chip (similar to pogo) for which the only available os was a systemdized linuxlike
1305436;1445540947;ascii_field;experimented with civilizing it.
1305437;1445540953;mircea_popescu;well... you knew going in this is what will happen/
1305438;1445540958;ascii_field;aha/
1305439;1445540976;jurov;actually, you're supposed to pack everything you will need into initrd and use that
1305440;1445540990;jurov;it ends up being half of /usr? whatever.
1305441;1445540996;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha\
1305442;1445540999;mircea_popescu;bet you it doesn't fit ?
1305443;1445541007;ascii_field;funnily, thing still has a - nominally - functioning uboot. but mysteriously fails to load anything from any media whatsoever.
1305444;1445541110;mircea_popescu;in other news, /me has a 5k sqft sunroof now.
1305445;1445541117;mircea_popescu;ironically, /me also does not like tanned women.
1305446;1445541136;ascii_field;how do you tan through glass ?
1305447;1445541136;mircea_popescu;this is why you can't have nice things. i end up with them and i don't even like them.
1305448;1445541153;mircea_popescu;no i mean, sunroof as in, a floor without a roof on top of the building.
1305449;1445541161;ascii_field;ah
1305450;1445541167;jurov;heh, no ivana trump for mp
1305451;1445541180;mircea_popescu;certainly no 30yo washboards tyvm
1305452;1445541205;mircea_popescu;you meant ivanka right ?
1305453;1445541216;mircea_popescu;not her left-over-from-war czech mother or w/e
1305454;1445541253;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is gonna love the retractable roof in ulan batur..
1305455;1445541273;jurov;i remembered one tanned-to-dark-chocolate pic of her
1305456;1445541323;jurov;http://www.poshpost.com/ivana-trump-at-62-still-looking-tanned-and-taut/
1305457;1445541331;jurov;and darker
1305458;1445541350;mircea_popescu;not my cuppa.
1305459;1445541350;jurov;wtf page does not exist
1305460;1445541371;jurov;http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/sigroid75/media/Posh%20Post/ivanatrump.jpg.html
1305461;1445541372;assbot;ivanatrump.jpg Photo by sigroid75 | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1jWEREM )
1305462;1445541389;jurov;"taut"
1305463;1445541566;mircea_popescu;mmk.
1305464;1445542066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0005441 = 20.3493 BTC [+]
1305465;1445542099;jurov;anyway, at least you can start gardening there
1305466;1445542129;jurov;make ersatz pampa from it :DDDD
1305467;1445542188;mircea_popescu;while im pretty sure the roof will support a dozen lithe chicks seeing how i can lift them in pairs,
1305468;1445542198;mircea_popescu;500 tons worht of earth seems a tall order.
1305469;1445542234;mircea_popescu;(gotta remember - it doesn't snow here. consequently, their ideas of tolerance is not 3.5 to 5x)
1305470;1445542410;punkman;fluffypony: it's totally safe << seems like everything he tests is "totally safe", was reading his mysql/mariadb results earlier
1305471;1445542426;fluffypony;yup
1305472;1445542473;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: park chopper (or moor the dirigible) there.
1305473;1445542544;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the private aviation airport is in a place caled moron.
1305474;1445542549;mircea_popescu;they even have a moron factory there.
1305475;1445542558;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1305476;1445542565;punkman;does it have moron school?
1305477;1445542576;mircea_popescu;i expect also.
1305478;1445542798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00053035 = 17.5016 BTC [-] {3} 
1305479;1445543108;mod6;Does someone in here run the Bitcoin Error Log twitter acct?
1305480;1445543138;mircea_popescu;i thought it was thickasthieves
1305481;1445543153;mod6;ahh
1305482;1445543289;mircea_popescu;"If I was a woman of, say, 30, overwhelmed by hidden ambivalence, making next to nothing while spending next to everything, simultaneously unfulfilled by my excellent material possessions while protected from facing my actual social position; if I had to choose a direction in life but realizing that my choice probably didn't matter because the outcome had already been decided by the audience, yeah, I'd be on Abilify, t
1305483;1445543289;mircea_popescu;oo."
1305484;1445543290;mircea_popescu;awww.
1305485;1445543299;mircea_popescu;somehow it doesn't occur to him he really is watching too much fucking tv.
1305486;1445543373;mircea_popescu;i have to google ALL his dumbass popculture references, and that is ALL i ever have to chase. somehow the medicine he knows, i know. fucking "gosselin" ? i actually have to look at a phrase going "Katie Irene "Kate" Gosselin (born Kreider; born March 28, 1975) is an American television personality. She achieved national and international recognition on the US reality TV show Jon & Kate Plus 8, in which she and Jon Goss
1305487;1445543373;mircea_popescu;elin are profiled as they raise their atypical family of sextuplets and twins." when it really should read "that boring dumbass trying to make money out of televising her sextuplets" ?
1305488;1445543445;ascii_field;aaaaand now mircea_popescu knows how it is like to have to look up his refs to 'seinfeld' etc.
1305489;1445543475;mircea_popescu;hm
1305490;1445543531;mircea_popescu;i guess you could readily say, seinfeld, baywatch, "dwfs" or whatever - i didn't look that one up, bite me - are the same thing.
1305491;1445543532;thestringpuller;!b2
1305492;1445543533;thestringpuller;ugh
1305493;1445543607;thestringpuller;is it possible to watch too much TV in America? That's all there really is to do around here.
1305494;1445543632;mircea_popescu;is it possible to load too much sand into your codpiece in sahara ? that's really all there is to load in your codpiece around there.
1305495;1445543643;ascii_field;!b 2
1305496;1445543644;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HCXD2Y.txt )
1305497;1445543650;*;ascii_field does not own a tv
1305498;1445543680;mircea_popescu;i don't either. but i did study that show, like meade studied gorilla cock or whatever the fuck she studied.
1305499;1445543725;thestringpuller;someone must really like seinfeld :P
1305500;1445543749;thestringpuller;any love for curb your enthusiasm?
1305501;1445543758;mircea_popescu;no, sadly. i liked it originally. by the time i was done i squarely didn't like it anymore.
1305502;1445543799;mircea_popescu;i watched five minutes of that thing, mostly to evaluate the douche's (larry) contriobution to seinfeld. i fell upon this scene where a pubescent girl rings his doorbell and then gets her first period. and he behaves like a lunatic.
1305503;1445543827;mircea_popescu;it was clear to me that the amount of money he made off seinfeld (~zilch) is actually a very correct evaluation of his actual contribution to the show.
1305504;1445543852;mircea_popescu;which in and of itself is an unexpected result - when you think soaps you don't think "judicious remuneration of contributors" first and foremost.
1305505;1445543862;mircea_popescu;but it is shockingly the foremost property of the whole shebang.
1305506;1445544164;mircea_popescu;"As much as Sandra Bullock drives me insane I have never set fire to a trash can or impregnated a teenager because she made what is obviously way too much money for agreeing to be in the worst movies ever scripted by spider monkeys."
1305507;1445544165;mircea_popescu;HA!
1305508;1445544181;mircea_popescu;i fucking agree, that dumbass-that-s-not-to-be-named!
1305509;1445544190;thestringpuller;wow. that's a great review of Curb your Enthusiasm...
1305510;1445544201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23734 @ 0.00053683 = 12.7411 BTC [+]
1305511;1445544207;mircea_popescu;how many shows did they do anwyay? 100 hours ? 20 ? 200 ?
1305512;1445544230;thestringpuller;80 episode 30 min each
1305513;1445544235;thestringpuller;so 40 hours?
1305514;1445544240;thestringpuller;+ 1 hour special
1305515;1445544241;mircea_popescu;shoulda quit earlier. guy's a hack.
1305516;1445544402;thestringpuller;!up ascii_field
1305517;1445544432;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1305518;1445544628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00053683 = 5.3683 BTC [+]
1305519;1445544747;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/03/relative_income_inequality.html << and yet he fundamentally understands why socialism doesn't work, even if you purport to call it "humanism", and why the poor are fucked, and everything else. weird.
1305520;1445544749;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Relative Income Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGYY10 )
1305521;1445544915;thestringpuller;"It's not material self-interest, it's that we're so sensitive. We experience ourselves through each other's eyes--and that's the reason for the labels and the clothes and the cars" << not sure how I feel about that reference quote
1305522;1445544934;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does Richard Wilkinson manage to look at the data showing that us blacks making $1k a month just for the asking nevertheless sit around poles like monkeys glaring at people ; whereas those same blacks living in brazil, making a quarter as much or less for 200+ hour work months go out and fix the swing in the park that they build for free in their spare time and decide there's something wrong "with society"
1305523;1445544934;mircea_popescu; ?
1305524;1445544945;mircea_popescu;some people are fucked in the head, that's all. this isn't socieity.
1305525;1445545003;mircea_popescu;"oh, income equality". brazil has A LOT more of it than the us. in the us everyone is poor. i mean this, literally, there are NO RICH PEOPLE in the us. nobody is rich there. everyone is poor like a fucking dog, like the soviets were poor in 1980.
1305526;1445545021;mircea_popescu;brazil has actual rich people. but it also has poor people who do not fucking expect to be on tv.
1305527;1445545045;mircea_popescu;self-esteem education has resulted in a country that will be sold on the open market by the pound.
1305528;1445545058;ascii_field;optimist.
1305529;1445545067;ascii_field;it'll be sold by the cubic metre. of ullage.
1305530;1445545071;ascii_field;for radwaste storage.
1305531;1445545083;mircea_popescu;nobody is storing it.
1305532;1445545125;mircea_popescu;"oh, google is a valuablke company because it has all the world's data". a) you are not the world ; b) nobody fucking wants your data, i'd rather keep footage of afids engaging in gang rape.
1305533;1445545141;mircea_popescu;oh. ullage. heh.
1305534;1445545154;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. the land itself is pretty.
1305535;1445545164;mircea_popescu;unfortunately inhabited, but in the modern era that can be fixed.
1305536;1445545312;mircea_popescu;"Wilkinson is not just another academic social policy theorist who references Marx; he is also the editor of the 2003 version of the WHO report on social justice.  " ummm... aaaand who cares ?
1305537;1445545333;mircea_popescu;five people read that thing, at most, and nobody asked them anything. he might as well have been the author of any other rejected nbc pilot.
1305538;1445545482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00053379 = 9.7518 BTC [-]
1305539;1445545583;mircea_popescu;"The problem isn't the government, the problem is you.  It is always you. "
1305540;1445545596;mircea_popescu;right ? guy gets parts.
1305541;1445545614;mircea_popescu;"You can't imagine how you, one guy, can be the problem-- the government is much bigger  than you, isn't it?  But there are millions of people exactly like you.  One byproduct of modern narcissism's reliance on finite media is that countless other people are modeling their lives on the same template you are.  You think you are unique in your thoughts and identity, turns out you are a clone.  You think you're the only g
1305542;1445545615;mircea_popescu;uy for whom X was transformative?  The only guy with an iphone?"
1305543;1445545749;ben_vulpes;i'd love to know what americans find transformative.
1305544;1445545807;trinque;oprah, some.
1305545;1445545812;ascii_field;dafuq does this even mean
1305546;1445545821;mircea_popescu;american history x. american beauty. the matrix.
1305547;1445545825;mircea_popescu;need i continue ? v for vendetta
1305548;1445545832;mircea_popescu;that one song from that one band with the chick with the hair
1305549;1445545834;trinque;Zeitgeist
1305550;1445545838;mircea_popescu;obama wining the elections
1305551;1445545853;mircea_popescu;arabs winning the only engagement on us soil since the brits left
1305552;1445545881;mircea_popescu;ascii_field "figuring stuff out".
1305553;1445545950;mircea_popescu;there's a great scene in donnie brasco where newell depicts the death of john wayne as transformative for those schmucks.
1305554;1445546042;thestringpuller;it's sad that obama would probably win a 3rd term
1305555;1445546065;trinque;how would that happen?
1305556;1445546071;trinque;oh would, my mistake
1305557;1445546141;mircea_popescu;i don't see the difference. obama 3rd term is probably a better outcome than trump vs hilary or w/e.,
1305558;1445546763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25466 @ 0.00053172 = 13.5408 BTC [-]
1305559;1445546837;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> arabs winning the only engagement on us soil since the brits left << There was that other one the Japs won.
1305560;1445546852;mircea_popescu;not really us soil, out in the pacific.
1305561;1445546960;BingoBoingo;Well, I guess Hawaii wasn't quite US soil until after the war and even then moar volcanic ash than soil
1305562;1445547045;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/04/a_not_very_happy_observation_a.html << bwahahaha. so :
1305563;1445547047;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: A not very happy observation about +/- being a woman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mcsf9B )
1305564;1445547047;mircea_popescu;"My observation having done this several dozen times: If I use a (fake) male email address, e.g. "petermiller@" no one ever responds. If I use a (fake) female email address, e.g. "melissamiller@" I get answers almost every single time."
1305565;1445547052;mircea_popescu;"I'll add that the majority of the people I email are male; the few women I've emailed haven't been any different.   I've confirmed this by waiting a long time (month) and re-emailing a different (but still simple) version as a woman.
1305566;1445547052;mircea_popescu;The conclusion I went to first was that there is some unconscious sexual element; not that the academics thought they were going to seduce me, of course, but that they derived some greater pleasure in answering the women than the men.
1305567;1445547052;mircea_popescu;But perhaps there's a different explanation: there may be an assumption that if a guy asks such a basic/stupid question, then he's an idiot and not worth bothering with; but if a girl asks it, well, a college girl isn't held to the same standard/ expected to know as much."
1305568;1445547095;mircea_popescu;how about the alternative explanation being "society as a whole thinks young males should die horribly in droves and fuck you already."
1305569;1445547204;mircea_popescu;were THAT true, it would ironically make a move away from pervasive, entrenched gender inequality in favour of the males a deeply populist move.
1305570;1445547225;mircea_popescu;by definition : that which favours the proclivities of many with no consideration given to effects.
1305571;1445547251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00053171 = 11.2723 BTC [-] {3} 
1305572;1445547983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00053357 = 26.2783 BTC [+]
1305573;1445549569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24214 @ 0.0005337 = 12.923 BTC [+] {3} 
1305574;1445549618;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1305575;1445549620;ascii_field;http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=28004
1305576;1445549621;assbot;Finextra: Finextra news: Sweden on course to be first cashless country ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZE3uF )
1305577;1445549691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4447 @ 0.00053661 = 2.3863 BTC [+] {2} 
1305578;1445549744;mircea_popescu;by which what they mean, of course, is "swedish government on course to be the first cashless government".
1305579;1445549752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19886 @ 0.00053171 = 10.5736 BTC [-]
1305580;1445549785;shinohai;;;rated Garmin
1305581;1445549785;gribble;You have not yet rated user Garmin
1305582;1445550787;deedbot-;[Qntra] Looking Behind BanxShares - http://qntra.net/2015/10/looking-behind-banxshares/
1305583;1445550841;mircea_popescu;"(1) Hershey's, et al, petitioned the FDA and EU to allow them to change the definition of "milk chocolate" to allow for the substitution of vegetable oil for cocoa butter.  The FDA said no, but the EU thought it would be awesome idea.
1305584;1445550842;mircea_popescu;To emphasize: not simply change the ingredients, but to change the definition of the word."
1305585;1445550844;mircea_popescu;heh.
1305586;1445550850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00053814 = 12.6463 BTC [+] {3} 
1305587;1445550854;mircea_popescu;then one wonders why you can't buy milk chocolate in the us.
1305588;1445550925;mircea_popescu;in other news, Sumner Redstone still fucking exists. and nominally is in charge of things. (Chairman of National Amusements Executive Chairman of the Board of Viacom and CBS Corporation).
1305589;1445550949;mircea_popescu;wanna bet some random conclave of derpy 40yo pencildick assistants do all the "being" sumner redstone ?
1305590;1445550981;BingoBoingo;In other news congrats to HeySteve for his first Qntra publication
1305591;1445551013;mircea_popescu;http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/09/sumner-redstone-sydney-holland-kicked-out << hint : it was not that she dated niggers.
1305592;1445551013;assbot;Why Sumner Redstone Really Kicked Sydney Holland Out | Vanity Fair ... ( http://bit.ly/1OLkbwY )
1305593;1445551117;mircea_popescu;i can't from that piece discern what is supposed to be the revenue model of the banx thing.
1305594;1445551121;mircea_popescu;how does it make money again ?
1305595;1445551232;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ok this is by very far the worst thing i have ever see qntra publish.
1305596;1445551236;mircea_popescu;it does not belong there.
1305597;1445551236;ascii_field;^
1305598;1445551243;mircea_popescu;"And yes, it'll be a damn shame if this backfires on BitShares. Their technology is extremely scalable, blazingly fast and impressively flexible on the backend."
1305599;1445551248;mircea_popescu;what do these empty words mean ?
1305600;1445551267;mircea_popescu;if i wanted to have more gawker fluffl i'd have bought fucking gawker.
1305601;1445551280;mircea_popescu;"BANX represents a thus far dividend-paying investment in BanxCapital," << dividends out of what ?
1305602;1445551286;BingoBoingo;Sorry I fucked up.
1305603;1445551288;mircea_popescu;this is not news, and it's not even bad. it is terrible.
1305604;1445551335;mircea_popescu;"My take on the ICO is that Lyford recognised multiple opportunities in Bitcoi" whose own take ? what the bloody hell|!
1305605;1445551854;mircea_popescu;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-dunn-sentenced-life-without-parole-loud-music-killing-n228191
1305606;1445551855;assbot;Michael Dunn Sentenced to Life Without Parole for Loud Music Killing - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqpvCP )
1305607;1445551908;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1305608;1445551920;ascii_field;evidently he oughta have killed the lot
1305609;1445551930;ascii_field;'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' (tm)
1305610;1445551941;mircea_popescu;Michael Dunn, 47, was convicted of killing Jordan Davis, 17, in November 2012 after he shot into a SUV of four teenagers 10 times when an argument broke out over loud music coming from the teens' vehicle. Dunn was sentenced to an additional 90 years in prison for three attempted murder convictions and another 15 years for firing into an occupied vehicle. �Our justice system works. This case demonstrates that our just
1305611;1445551941;mircea_popescu;ice system does work,� said Judge Russell Healey at the sentencing.
1305612;1445551973;mircea_popescu;but in related news, http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-cheese-addictive-drugs-20151022-story.html
1305613;1445551974;assbot;Cheese really is crack. Study reveals cheese is as addictive as drugs - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqpAGq )
1305614;1445551977;mircea_popescu;"Study reveals cheese is as addictive as drugs"
1305615;1445551995;mircea_popescu;im sure it is. this is actually a correct result. in other news, you wanna know how adictive "drugs" are ? CHEESE!
1305616;1445552001;ascii_field;wait till we learn how addictive air is
1305617;1445552276;shinohai;Fuck BitShares.
1305618;1445552745;mircea_popescu;"Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers. This tube is the most awesome goddamn force in the whole godless world. And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong peopl
1305619;1445552745;mircea_popescu;e." << and ballas' tv fixation is explained.
1305620;1445552761;mircea_popescu;he reasons "people matter", and since "people are ignorant louts" ERGO "tv matters".
1305621;1445553839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43609 @ 0.00053041 = 23.1306 BTC [-] {5} 
1305622;1445554292;shinohai;!up assbot
1305623;1445554296;shinohai;shit
1305624;1445554300;shinohai;!up ascii_field
1305625;1445554510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00053641 = 10.8891 BTC [+] {3} 
1305626;1445555425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39653 @ 0.00052978 = 21.0074 BTC [-] {3} 
1305627;1445555852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42858 @ 0.00052707 = 22.5892 BTC [-]
1305628;1445555974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00052738 = 27.9511 BTC [+] {2} 
1305629;1445557072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052692 = 6.4284 BTC [-]
1305630;1445557682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26804 @ 0.00052831 = 14.1608 BTC [+]
1305631;1445557804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8446 @ 0.00053958 = 4.5573 BTC [+]
1305632;1445557870;mod6;shinohai: haha, i've done that at least half-a-dozen times.
1305633;1445557968;shinohai;^_________^
1305634;1445557977;mircea_popescu;http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-07-06-call-center_x.htm << this should be right alf's alley.
1305635;1445557978;assbot;USATODAY.com - Inmates vs. outsourcing ... ( http://bit.ly/1W87bpt )
1305636;1445558078;mircea_popescu;also, as much as i loathe pdfs, http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/SWEENEY.WALTON012308.pdf
1305637;1445558079;assbot;Page not found | US Court of Federal Claims ... ( http://bit.ly/1W87jVZ )
1305638;1445558097;mircea_popescu;inmates can't own copyrights of their own ideas while imprisoned because "they are in service of the state".
1305639;1445558149;mircea_popescu;this obviously gives way to a very interesting twist : if you ever were in prison, it is the gov't's option to CLAIM that if you build a business, you didn't build a business - because you had come up with it during your stay and well, hid it from them. which should bring a fine, right ? on top of restitution, correct ?
1305640;1445558177;shinohai;Interesting thought mircea_popescu
1305641;1445558200;BingoBoingo;So if you sell drugs in prison, the government sold drugs in prison
1305642;1445558244;shinohai;IRS expects you to pay taxes on illicit earnings whether you are legit or not
1305643;1445558282;mircea_popescu;nono. immunity from detrimental, advantageous only.
1305644;1445558312;mircea_popescu;if you invented the cure for cancer, the government invented the cure for cancer. if you got cancer ... well you shouldn't have been smoking now should you have!
1305645;1445558321;mircea_popescu;"but i couldn't smoke anyway!" "exactly."
1305646;1445558347;BingoBoingo;deedbot-: feeds add http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/feed/
1305647;1445558348;assbot;Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1W87FvO )
1305648;1445558414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.0005304 = 4.588 BTC [-]
1305649;1445558906;mircea_popescu;iirc it only listens to trinque
1305650;1445558991;trinque;deedbot-: feeds add http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/feed/
1305651;1445558992;assbot;Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1W87FvO )
1305652;1445558992;deedbot-;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/feed/ added.
1305653;1445559107;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] Winter - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/16/winter/
1305654;1445559108;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] It's amazing how fast these weeks are moving now - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/21/its-amazing-how-fast-these-weeks-are-moving-now/
1305655;1445559108;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1305656;1445559108;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] Everything is Crashing - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/28/everything-is-crashing/
1305657;1445559109;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] For Posterity - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/12/03/for-posterity/
1305658;1445559109;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] Bowl Season - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/12/08/bowl-season/
1305659;1445559110;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/
1305660;1445559120;BingoBoingo;Ah, ty. Something new should be shitting out of there in the next couple hours.
1305661;1445559125;trinque;yw
1305662;1445559438;jurov;haha qntra got censored?
1305663;1445560231;BingoBoingo;jurov: Honestly actually reading it instead of turning it from .docx to something Qntra could eat, it was pretty shit. It's length was also incredibly dilutional relative to whatever value a small portion of the content may have had.
1305664;1445560265;BingoBoingo;It was my mistake. A draft Qntra style guide is incoming soon to prevent this.
1305665;1445560351;BingoBoingo;The formatting guidelines will be effective as soon as the link hits this channel, because I'm tired of buring more braincycles civilizing submission that deturding legal pdfs.
1305666;1445560412;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305636 << dead link
1305667;1445560412;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 23:54:38; mircea_popescu: also, as much as i loathe pdfs, http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/SWEENEY.WALTON012308.pdf
1305668;1445560469;asciilifeform;possibly mirror: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/waltondecision.pdf
1305669;1445560470;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PExnUn )
1305670;1445560483;asciilifeform;(appears to match the description given by mircea_popescu)
1305671;1445560535;asciilifeform;'In a thirty-four-page opinion, the Court of Federal Claims dismissed Walton�s complaint for lack of jurisdiction. The court held that the suit could not be maintained because the statutory provisions governing copyright infringement suits against the United States (28 U.S.C. � 1498(b), discussed in Part II infra), do not permit such suits by prisoners in Walton�s situation. The court further held that because Congress ha
1305672;1445560536;asciilifeform;d not waived the government�s sovereign immunity from such suits, it lacked jurisdiction to entertain Walton�s complaint, which it therefore dismissed.'
1305673;1445560596;*;adlai offers two test-cases for this "style guide" (lol)
1305674;1445560622;adlai;an article explaining how much profit you can make from running dashparkcoin 'masternodes', and how your investment yields value from providing services to people using it to blablabla
1305675;1445560657;adlai;vs, an article tracking the rise and fall of masternode-fidelty-bond-sized chunks of darkcoin, correlated with its price movements, maybe even making falsifiable claims about the future.
1305676;1445560718;adlai;works for bitshares, banxwanx, diethyl ethereum, etc
1305677;1445560751;adlai;and for some lols:
1305678;1445560753;adlai;!s banx platinum
1305679;1445560754;assbot;0 results for 'banx platinum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=banx+platinum
1305680;1445560768;adlai;http://banxplatinum.com/
1305681;1445560771;assbot;Banx Platinum ... ( http://bit.ly/1M96ql6 )
1305682;1445560795;BingoBoingo;adlai: That's actually what inspired it. Shitcoin is shit submission that just sucked at fitting qntra.
1305683;1445560818;*;adlai sadly missed the offending shillery, but wonders how much koolaid HeySteve drank, and whether a wot that has no negrates can ever be truly complete
1305684;1445560844;asciilifeform;adlai: you know where the button is. rate away...
1305685;1445560869;asciilifeform;i must admit, i was tempted
1305686;1445560888;asciilifeform;but now that i'm home, can't be arsed.
1305687;1445560929;BingoBoingo;adlai: The part where there were positive things about a shitcoin were near the bottom of the problems there.
1305688;1445561084;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.rate.HeySteve.-1:d7e73a0e0129c96314713150cd5dee28ea3a54f015af5e06909c0da5d4f6eb66
1305689;1445561085;assbot;Successfully updated the rating for HeySteve from -1 to -1 with note: shillocent until proven wilty: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305582
1305690;1445561278;adlai;BingoBoingo: how about, "the article should contribute facts/analyses that the reader would have been unlikely to un/discover on their own in the same time it took the author to write"
1305691;1445561334;BingoBoingo;adlai: It will be open to comments. I'm reactivating thedrinkingrecord for meta talk about Qntra.
1305692;1445561414;BingoBoingo;adlai: But seriously HeySteve made an honest try. The blame for the incident lies with me for it making it past my personal filters.
1305693;1445561496;adlai;i'm way too curious now about the original text. if the problems were primarily stylistic, qntra'd have been better off with an edited version, but that demands more from the [rapidly dwindling number of] editors
1305694;1445561510;BingoBoingo;The fault is not with HeySteve for submitting a piece. It is with me for accepting it in its condition.
1305695;1445561586;BingoBoingo;adlai: The gist was Mark Lyford, who put the banx coin through one dilutional hardfork already, and he's looking to move his coin to a different altcoin's chain in yet another hardfork.
1305696;1445561880;adlai;!v assbot:adlai.unrate.HeySteve:839508a378e69cbff252c4597eb38a17fca3f9e3c68d2269922ef9ada28508f1
1305697;1445561880;assbot;Successfully unrated HeySteve
1305698;1445562135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00052914 = 18.176 BTC [-]
1305699;1445562617;BingoBoingo;It really was my bad. Last time he wrote anything news was for CCN before the got fucked until their spirit left their body by GAW. He also did in the past find tits for mircea_popescu's offer. This really was on me.
1305700;1445562684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.0005304 = 20.2878 BTC [+]
1305701;1445564514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00052815 = 14.841 BTC [-] {5} 
1305702;1445564636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053284 = 7.6196 BTC [+] {2} 
1305703;1445565550;BingoBoingo;!up hazirafel
1305704;1445565978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00052692 = 9.6163 BTC [-] {2} 
1305705;1445566041;deedbot-;[Bingo Blog] Qntra Style and Draft Content Guide - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/10/22/qntra-style-and-draft-content-guide/
1305706;1445566044;BingoBoingo;^ mircea_popescu et al. Please rip into this
1305707;1445566067;BingoBoingo;^ You too pete_dushenski and thestringpuller, also Jurov
1305708;1445566099;BingoBoingo;^And hanbot and kakobrekla, asciilifeform you too. Seriously everyone rip into that.
1305709;1445566286;adlai;"...consider a different one or learn /how/ to make it do this."
1305710;1445566301;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/657378576333938688
1305711;1445566302;adlai;where where
1305712;1445566304;BingoBoingo;ty adlai
1305713;1445566344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00052692 = 15.4388 BTC [-]
1305714;1445566710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00052771 = 11.1083 BTC [+] {2} 
1305715;1445566795;BingoBoingo;adlai: Since you are here, can you think of any necessary additions to the markup allowed that may be necessary. Also suggestions on the content guidelines is necessary.
1305716;1445567068;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski did I leave any necessary formatting markup out?
1305717;1445567069;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1305718;1445567198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00052897 = 5.7129 BTC [+]
1305719;1445567320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00052897 = 11.3729 BTC [+]
1305720;1445567401;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: looks pretty good
1305721;1445567455;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in your place, i'd ask for submissions in 'markdown' format, instead of html, but this is a matter of aesthetics and perlscript solely.
1305722;1445567476;asciilifeform;(markdown is considerably more human-readable in the editor)
1305723;1445567534;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: thank you, HTML markup in on plaintext is because my human is more capable of reading that than reddit fail language. Also easier to proof for how machines read, which unfortunately most qntra readers use.
1305724;1445567558;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seriously, take the endoscope and find a new orfice in that.
1305725;1445567632;adlai;BingoBoingo: "Level 1 of assbot's Web of Trust", "replaced in a published piece". not sure why preformatted snippets need special treatment, what's wrong with <pre>?
1305726;1445567720;BingoBoingo;adlai: Molestation in transit. If the whole thing is GPG encrypted fine, but I feel much safer if code and signed material are encrypted seperately to survive transit.
1305727;1445567759;asciilifeform;since we're on the subject, nothing prevents an enemy from intercepting the message and re-encrypting own substitute to your key
1305728;1445567778;asciilifeform;(nothing, that is, other than signature by author. which is not part of the guide)
1305729;1445567898;adlai;can't hurt to just require all submissions to be `gpg --armor --sign --encrypt`ed
1305730;1445567910;BingoBoingo;Signature is nice, but if Hitler writes better than submitter I don't yet have objections to hitler giving submitter shares. But that is an issue
1305731;1445567953;adlai;misplaced attribution can be harmful both ways
1305732;1445567958;BingoBoingo;More urgent to me now is no more submissions autogenerated by MS WTF.
1305733;1445567981;adlai;or, as eloquently put by theresa heinz kerry... "you said that i said something that i didn't say, so you can shove it"
1305734;1445568012;BingoBoingo;If preet wants to write on how much he sucks and give the shares to kakobrekla I dun know that I or kakobrekla ought to object on the first pass
1305735;1445568063;BingoBoingo;But talk on signatures is something I should incorporate in the next draft
1305736;1445568182;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, signatures are going in the next draft to make the key to point shares at easier too.
1305737;1445568235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43185 @ 0.0005264 = 22.7326 BTC [-] {5} 
1305738;1445568423;BingoBoingo;These concerns are why I need a new asshole, carve it.
1305739;1445568655;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/H67qj
1305740;1445568655;assbot;FPS Thread - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/202n3cA )
1305741;1445568723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37041 @ 0.00052565 = 19.4706 BTC [-] {5} 
1305742;1445569268;adlai;BingoBoingo: re: the content guidelines, maybe i'm too tired but i just can't parse the "Terseness" guideline
1305743;1445569268;BingoBoingo;Not quite tasteless: http://dpaste.com/20VV0F0.txt
1305744;1445569269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/202nYtr )
1305745;1445569281;BingoBoingo;adlai: Word economy
1305746;1445569287;mircea_popescu;so for my sins i went to https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=buenos+aires+exxxotica
1305747;1445569288;assbot;buenos aires exxxotica - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/202nZO5 )
1305748;1445569306;adlai;specifically "Adding a new indictment to news 200-700 words"
1305749;1445569311;mircea_popescu;holy fucksticks! the ENTIRE THING took place in a space that's smaller than any apartment i keep girls in.
1305750;1445569332;mircea_popescu;they had some women there. that sucked. the entire thing was jam-packed with derpy cocks.
1305751;1445569347;BingoBoingo;<adlai> specifically "Adding a new indictment to news 200-700 words" << BRB getting carbs
1305752;1445569365;mircea_popescu;worst fucking party ever, i've been to better fraternity parties at state universities for crying out loud
1305753;1445569379;BingoBoingo;Don't boubt that
1305754;1445569426;mircea_popescu;these fucktards have yet to understand that no, you don't allow access to dirt poor, solo/pack young males.
1305755;1445569465;mircea_popescu;or for that matter that if you advertise "buenos aires exxotica" you'd better ACTUALLY GET NUDE MODELS ; that are actually over five feet five inches tall and that ARE NUDE ffs.
1305756;1445569502;mircea_popescu;if i wanted to see 1-2 weird girls next door being self conscious in briefs i'd go to a lame beach.
1305757;1445569812;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305692 <<< meanwhile i xreferenced, he's the guy that wanted to do some hairbrained rent deposit insurance thing. i don't see anything actually negratable in there, so he's young and doesn't know all sorts of things. big whoop. everyone's born young. i don't see he did anything offensive past that.
1305758;1445569812;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 00:50:14; BingoBoingo: adlai: But seriously HeySteve made an honest try. The blame for the incident lies with me for it making it past my personal filters.
1305759;1445570156;mircea_popescu;so refreshing to see residents misuse pannus to discuss panniculus.
1305760;1445570217;mircea_popescu;(yes, there does exist a medical term for "fupa")
1305761;1445570474;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " The submission may be, usually ought to be GPG encrypted" no lassitudo. pick one, stick with it.
1305762;1445570582;BingoBoingo;Going with "ought to be"
1305763;1445570952;mircea_popescu;ima make a whole thing, be a coupla.
1305764;1445570952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305750 << to my admittedly n00b eye, the mega-club you showed me also looked like this
1305765;1445570952;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 03:02:12; mircea_popescu: they had some women there. that sucked. the entire thing was jam-packed with derpy cocks.
1305766;1445570964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is true.
1305767;1445570982;mircea_popescu;these fucktards. how fucking hard it is to vacate a car garage throw a party.
1305768;1445570988;mircea_popescu;they keep doing them in the fucking laundry basket.
1305769;1445570994;asciilifeform;(for those who were not at c3, mircea_popescu showed us a kind of kink society thing)
1305770;1445571021;mircea_popescu;at least for the "nude women and whips" thing the excuse may be had that it does not interest the general public.
1305771;1445571024;mircea_popescu;but this ...
1305772;1445571295;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "without further modifiers such as where the link ought to open." << what's this mean ?
1305773;1445571336;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Certain submitters the the past specified targets like a "new window" or a "new tab"
1305774;1445571343;mircea_popescu;oh bs.
1305775;1445571350;BingoBoingo;Gotta assume readers know how to work their browsers
1305776;1445571759;mircea_popescu;Send code snippets and GPG signed material in separate GPG encrypted blocks. This protects them from painful mutilation. < ? !
1305777;1445571918;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That line break shit that was a pain in the foundation mailing list. Probably ought to all be signed. The line break mutilation trash though has to go and GPG encryption is the only read way to prevent it.
1305778;1445571947;mircea_popescu;hm
1305779;1445572009;BingoBoingo;Encrypted means it was either a turd when sent or we're fucked. So as asciilifeform pointed out sigs are probably a must too.
1305780;1445572234;BingoBoingo;It's overkill to need cyphertext for this purpose, but it kills line break mutilation
1305781;1445572403;adlai;you can armor+sign without encrypt
1305782;1445572486;BingoBoingo;But decrypt deflates so much prettier and there has been so much shit with signed but unverifiable material on the mailing list
1305783;1445572585;BingoBoingo;Fuck with a clearsigned payload it is trash. Fuck with an encrypted payload it is nothing.
1305784;1445572592;BingoBoingo;Less than noise
1305785;1445572675;BingoBoingo;Content guidelines though. Does that seems what Qntra does best?
1305786;1445572711;BingoBoingo;Is straying from that where Qntra has had problems
1305787;1445572969;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/ << mebbe useful stuff in there.
1305788;1445572970;assbot;Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GY9tv0 )
1305789;1445573011;BingoBoingo;Will read
1305790;1445573119;BingoBoingo;Draft 2 should be out in about 12 hours or so, Lotta rumination and tense to do.
1305791;1445573490;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I of all people need to get better at word efficiency
1305792;1445573828;BingoBoingo;Tis the season to watch 'Murican murder porn and contemplate the evils of socialism.
1305793;1445573880;BingoBoingo;Saw VI, not a bad flick. Rest of the series before and after is awfully forgettable.
1305794;1445573914;BingoBoingo;Kinda like a worst of TLP in movie form.
1305795;1445573975;BingoBoingo;Definitely not as redeeming though as "The Asylum's" "#1 Cheerleader Camp"
1305796;1445574004;deedbot-;[Trilema] Lacessiveram editor - http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/
1305797;1445574029;BingoBoingo;Simple moral to the flick here: Fiat world is evil, Socialism makes it more so.
1305798;1445574117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Concerning images can you clarify the concept of ownership considering the #b-a corpus: "Images are acceptable if you own them"
1305799;1445574278;BingoBoingo;At the moment I am liking the smashing and tensing of the content and non-content material
1305800;1445574335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00052426 = 16.9598 BTC [-] {4} 
1305801;1445574579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00052366 = 13.3271 BTC [-] {3} 
1305802;1445574655;BingoBoingo;cazalla, thestringpuller, pete_dushenski, hanbot, PeterL as the qntra contributors with more than 3 pieces a piece, your feedback is especially welcome. Every contributor will get a ;;later tell in about 12 hours baring messages lodged in channel.
1305803;1445574808;BingoBoingo;Betsy Russell, very under rated and very super titted "scream queen"
1305804;1445574970;BingoBoingo;She could get it.
1305805;1445575103;mircea_popescu;wow they made 6 saws ?!
1305806;1445575126;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well to discourage derps from plundering google images.
1305807;1445575132;mircea_popescu;if you go to conference and take pic of x sure
1305808;1445575172;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> wow they made 6 saws ?! << 7, Maybe an 8th in a year or two. 1, 2, 5, and 6 are watchable.
1305809;1445575182;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo well to discourage derps from plundering google images. << ic
1305810;1445575182;mircea_popescu;i think i might have seen 2
1305811;1445575199;BingoBoingo;Last one I saw was the first Saw
1305812;1445575212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's this growing trend where "is better with images", derp media ends up with the most ridiculous images published
1305813;1445575223;BingoBoingo;That is a problem.
1305814;1445575251;BingoBoingo;As is "everything needs a picture"
1305815;1445575287;mircea_popescu;well... it doesn't, is the point.
1305816;1445575313;BingoBoingo;Could probably spec jpeg, png, and animated gif as fine, .gifv and .tiff are spammy
1305817;1445575335;BingoBoingo;But less pictures the better
1305818;1445575360;BingoBoingo;Because Qntra actually cares about delivering Bitcoin news to dial up and Africa
1305819;1445575484;mircea_popescu;who the fuck submits tiffs ffs.
1305820;1445575523;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No one yet, but I suspect someone is going to scan a document and think "this format is old enough:
1305821;1445575532;BingoBoingo;You're welcome fluffypony
1305822;1445575860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00052289 = 18.7718 BTC [-]
1305823;1445576535;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/10/operation-cyber-juice-police-and-their-favorite-drug-of-abuse-part-1/#comment-69824 << And people are catching on that piece leads somewhere. I won't spoil it and say it ends in "Police turn themselves into inhuman monsters. but..."
1305824;1445576536;assbot;Operation Cyber Juice: Police and Their Favorite Drug of Abuse, Part 1 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJG0ad )
1305825;1445576657;BingoBoingo;http://youtu.be/sXQkXXBqj_U
1305826;1445576658;assbot;South Park - Safe Space - "In My Safe Space" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXc00i )
1305827;1445576955;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1305828;1445576962;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 275.99, vol: 26618.47190379 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 269.718, vol: 9235.46293 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 276.51, vol: 27475.94143206 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 280.0, vol: 8.13371672 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 279.09739, vol: 36419.42660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 274.46157, vol: 71.48854369 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.66395, vol: 165.44840869 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1305829;1445576966;BingoBoingo;;;more
1305830;1445576966;gribble;276.677435088
1305831;1445576981;BingoBoingo;^ Look what Qntra may or probably didn't do
1305832;1445577263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40585 @ 0.00052785 = 21.4228 BTC [+] {3} 
1305833;1445577495;punkman; http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305583 << fucking hershey, a curse on him and his extended family
1305834;1445577495;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 21:54:01; mircea_popescu: "(1) Hershey's, et al, petitioned the FDA and EU to allow them to change the definition of "milk chocolate" to allow for the substitution of vegetable oil for cocoa butter.  The FDA said no, but the EU thought it would be awesome idea.
1305835;1445577526;mircea_popescu;aha
1305836;1445577576;punkman;do they allow vegetable oil in US chocolate now?
1305837;1445577583;mircea_popescu;aha.
1305838;1445577587;BingoBoingo;For a while Hershey was advertising that shit as chocolate... since the ruling they just don't sell chocolate now, just "chocolate product"
1305839;1445577624;punkman;BingoBoingo: yeah that's common here
1305840;1445577660;BingoBoingo;It wasn't here till 2005 when Hersheys pushed the limit. Fucking Chicago bastards
1305841;1445577666;punkman;"yoghurt dessert" for yoghurt, "frozen dessert/sweet" for ice cream
1305842;1445577700;mircea_popescu;more people than food.
1305843;1445577711;punkman;well those two I can easily get, but finding real chocolate is a hassle
1305844;1445577798;BingoBoingo;Well if we are talking food name diversions, I came up with an interesting "alt white Russian" last week
1305845;1445578092;pete_dushenski;greetings
1305846;1445578106;pete_dushenski;i see we have some format wars afoot
1305847;1445578115;pete_dushenski;vhs v. beta redux !
1305848;1445578171;pete_dushenski;(Right : He said "this sucks". Wrong : He said "this sucks.") << not a fan of this 'right'
1305849;1445578199;pete_dushenski;if that's the rule, i'll abide, but if it's up for discussion, i'm in favour of the 'wrong.'
1305850;1445578263;BingoBoingo;"In my safe space... "
1305851;1445578546;trinque;pete_dushenski: it's an odd rule, if considered right in english grammar. I'm not aware of the rules in other languages. Regardless, why do the quotes eat the punctuation at the end of the sentence, but require no internal puntuation when the sentence quoted otherwise would.
1305852;1445578593;trinque;seems rather odd that some side effect from that which is quoting the inner material should end up inside the quotation
1305853;1445578615;pete_dushenski;it does a bit eh
1305854;1445578619;BingoBoingo;Either way the language is broken
1305855;1445578630;pete_dushenski;"Links to sources out of WoT and links to dynamic pages should be followed with a link to an archive.is snapshot of the page in the form (archived)" << the thing about this is that assbot's wot =! BingoBoingo's wot =! author's wot. so whose wot is the correct wot ?
1305856;1445578638;trinque;hell, if we're uprooting other things, why should the greedy quotation marks be safe!
1305857;1445578657;pete_dushenski;" Links to sources out of Level 1 of assbots Web or Trust and links to dynamic pages that change content as a function of their nature should be followed with a link to an archive.is snapshot of the page in the form" << specified here, mind you.
1305858;1445578670;mircea_popescu;right it's exactly the opposite of "literary" english.
1305859;1445578670;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: When playing safe, play safe. Assbot L1
1305860;1445578679;pete_dushenski;trinque down with the fat cat quotation marks !
1305861;1445578687;trinque;heh
1305862;1445578687;punkman;I never liked that rule, ever since learning it in school. never used it either I think
1305863;1445578746;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo i can live with that
1305864;1445578780;trinque;punkman: I don't either, likely due to string quoting in programming.
1305865;1445578876;pete_dushenski;<b></b> for bold and <i></i> for italic << my dumdum wp install does <strong></strong> for bold and <em></em> for italic. don't ask why but it seems unnecessary to specify which precise tags to use if strong/em seem to work just as well as b/i, which they do.
1305866;1445578940;pete_dushenski;(ftr 8-week-olds won't go the fuck to sleep)
1305867;1445578942;punkman;strong and em were in vogue for a while, but then html5 brought b/i backj
1305868;1445578954;pete_dushenski;aha.
1305869;1445578957;punkman;supposedly they have some "semantic" diffeence
1305870;1445578960;BingoBoingo;It matters for backwards compatibility
1305871;1445578977;punkman;fuck <strong> anyway
1305872;1445578991;trinque;the whole semantic thing in html is horse-shit
1305873;1445579017;pete_dushenski;"Unsigned material will not be publicly acknolwedged in any manner for any reason, ever." << hear hear
1305874;1445579099;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski except b and i are deprecated.
1305875;1445579111;mircea_popescu;o wait they're back ?
1305876;1445579117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They were undepreciated
1305877;1445579119;pete_dushenski;"and every third past contravex post article keeping up with the news ones is a good starting point." << kinda broken, BingoBoingo. no comprendo
1305878;1445579126;mircea_popescu;a in that case let's instead go b i
1305879;1445579128;mircea_popescu;they're shorter.
1305880;1445579135;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Sorry, new
1305881;1445579156;pete_dushenski;every third past ?
1305882;1445579164;pete_dushenski;post article ?
1305883;1445579181;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You also write to much to make every contravex mandatory, every third past article.
1305884;1445579194;BingoBoingo;May they pick their index article well
1305885;1445579216;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu b i works. is that what you use on trilema ?
1305886;1445579230;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo ;D
1305887;1445579245;mircea_popescu;mostly.
1305888;1445579250;mircea_popescu;im not even sure tbh
1305889;1445579285;BingoBoingo;Now <center> and other alignment tags, depreciated still
1305890;1445579292;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu inquiring minds !
1305891;1445579298;BingoBoingo;But also super unnecessary
1305892;1445579326;pete_dushenski;No footnotes in the first (or only) paragraph of a submission. << good idea. i've been guilty of this and it does look sloppy
1305893;1445579352;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo indeed.
1305894;1445579364;trinque;BingoBoingo: in those cases it's somewhat reasonable; CSS does that
1305895;1445579381;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You've been very guilty of that. Now it is official.
1305896;1445579389;BingoBoingo;trinque: Yes CSS does that
1305897;1445579392;trinque;the idea with "em" and other such "semantic" tags were to remove the notion that any particular reader would be used
1305898;1445579403;trinque;this is completely foolish
1305899;1445579435;punkman;trinque: the whole semantic thing in html is horse-shit << well I can't say I prefer <div> and <table> to <article> and <nav>, but maybe that's because I write crawlers often
1305900;1445579491;trinque;how is my link in my article not also nav
1305901;1445579510;trinque;and so on; they're very poorly defined
1305902;1445579533;punkman;trinque: quite, but still
1305903;1445579558;trinque;I wouldn't want to take your crawler from you; I'd just prefer it were crawling structured data that is solely data
1305904;1445579560;punkman;I'm also gonna hate you if your <img> is a <div> with a background
1305905;1445579564;trinque;not mixed with presentation
1305906;1445579578;trinque;point being your crawler wants facts not tag soup
1305907;1445579598;pete_dushenski;i was suprised to see that neither BingoBoingo nor mircea_popescu mentioned a guideline for a space (or no space) after the last word in a sentence and any subsequent question/exclamation mark.
1305908;1445579642;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: It's html, there is no second space. Browser enforces that unless you a a dick who adds a second &nbsp
1305909;1445579672;trinque;punkman: to take this to the absurd extreme, imagine your crawler had to OCR an image of the web page
1305910;1445579680;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo i use a space 90% of the time on contravex, but i've been even less consistent in qntra submissions.
1305911;1445579682;punkman;trinque: I do that
1305912;1445579689;punkman;:P
1305913;1445579693;BingoBoingo;So before it gets to that debate you have to ask yourself "Am I that much of a pretentious dick" or am I going to trust the reading software to know.
1305914;1445579700;trinque;well I mean, what one does to cope with a world of shit is forgivable
1305915;1445579740;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: For a browser to care you actually have to use the special character to force the second space.
1305916;1445579851;pete_dushenski;"Who said smartphones weren't useful ?" v. "(Run moar winbloze!™)" << though i seem to only use a question/exclamation mark once every 4-5 articles, so maybe not a big deal.
1305917;1445579920;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo pretty sure you don't need second &nbsp...
1305918;1445579927;pete_dushenski;it's just... a space.
1305919;1445579936;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: For a browser to care you do.
1305920;1445579949;trinque;browser smashes multiple spaces to one
1305921;1445579953;trinque;because reasons
1305922;1445579957;BingoBoingo;^
1305923;1445579967;pete_dushenski;huh
1305924;1445579974;*;trinque gets another beer, triggered
1305925;1445579981;pete_dushenski;l0l
1305926;1445579999;pete_dushenski;well i'm quite happy to beleet the space then
1305927;1445580032;BingoBoingo;Second space not only means nothing, it means less than nothing.
1305928;1445580057;pete_dushenski;also, if anyone's looking for me, i'll be away this weekend sans internet. just a heads up
1305929;1445580114;pete_dushenski;but if monday rolls around and you find my pgp sig on a mortgage and a !rate travispatron 10 bbf4lyf, i'm in a better place.
1305930;1445580293;pete_dushenski;and in other news, contravex has a new header image. bask ye in all my white-suited, short-haired splendour.
1305931;1445580319;pete_dushenski;(if you don't see it, try a page re-fresh)
1305932;1445580406;BingoBoingo;Saw it. Imma sleep and do draft two of Qntra submission guidelines when I wake up taking in the feedback since the original publication and my waking.
1305933;1445580472;BingoBoingo;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c1264e78de574d869519f169d5a1a878/drug-company-offers-cheap-version-costly-turing-drug << Still overpriced scam.
1305934;1445580473;assbot;Drug compounder offers cheap version of costly Turing drug ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnMd36 )
1305935;1445580544;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxbClfWIAAZIx8.png:large  "Wondering how my botnet researcher friends feel like knowing that all botnets they took down w/ FBI ended up to TAO "
1305936;1445580544;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnMliW )
1305937;1445580801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00053284 = 13.7739 BTC [+]
1305938;1445581545;mircea_popescu;Political TV punditry is like sports for the intellectual set. You get to keep track of who's on which team, who gets traded, who made what play last night...and none of it could possibly matter less to what actually makes the world go 'round. At least sports fans don't have the same delusion of their choice of entertainment "mattering".
1305939;1445581568;mircea_popescu;like hell! real sports fans think the sport outcomes OBVIOUSLY MATTER. they just don't think they matter to anything in particular, but that's fine, neither does the punditry fan.
1305940;1445581732;pete_dushenski;political punditry is for wine drinkers, sports is for beer drinkers
1305941;1445581800;mircea_popescu;as long as they're both hfcs drinks all's good.
1305942;1445581857;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/10/22/george-washington-mules-and-donald-trump/comment-page-1/#comment-270616 << because trump IS more like george washington than you'd care to admit (where you admits zero likeness)
1305943;1445581858;assbot;Philip Greenspun's Weblog » George Washington, Mules, and Donald Trump ... ( http://bit.ly/1jDurdJ )
1305944;1445582020;pete_dushenski;http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3683#comment-48692 << not my comment, but hit the bullseye at the intersection of politics and sexual proclivities. bingoboingo might also like the topic (college bball)
1305945;1445582022;assbot;This Just In: College Kids Like Sex (And So Does Rick Pitino) | Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnNPcW )
1305946;1445582033;mircea_popescu;"Washington was a land developer, often described as the richest of his generation. By the end of the American Revolution, General Washington controlled about sixty thousand acres of land" << and there lies the debunk. it's true that george washington was well off. it's true he controlled some tens of k's of acres. it is UNTRUE that made him "richest in his generation".
1305947;1445582066;mircea_popescu;acreage was ~1 dollar per. ONE YEAR of govt sales produced in excess of 1mn dollars during "normal" times and well over 10 mn during speculative bubbles.
1305948;1445582092;pete_dushenski;mayhaps 'of politicians'
1305949;1445582114;mircea_popescu;he certainly wasn't poor, but that's as far as that goes.
1305950;1445582158;mircea_popescu;(at the time the 60k acres were perhaps worth a few k ounces of gold. maybe. for instance.)
1305951;1445582162;pete_dushenski;i'm not sure what it is with americans imagining that their founding fathers lived in filth and squalour their entire lives.
1305952;1445582187;pete_dushenski;as if that was the only true basis for their xtianity reborn
1305953;1445582262;pete_dushenski;the americans at home are free to correct me here, tis just my impression from afar
1305954;1445582370;pete_dushenski;i guess it could be the mistaken belief that 'men of the people are by definition the people incarnate and are therefore as average as anyone even though we remember only the names of the best of us and not those of the men who were truly average and truly of the people'
1305955;1445582410;trinque;really depends on which americans.
1305956;1445582429;trinque;I don't speak with many that'd be unaware they were well off.
1305957;1445582475;pete_dushenski;heh watch it just be MY ignorance of us history.
1305958;1445582510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.0005308 = 23.6206 BTC [-] {4} 
1305959;1445582530;pete_dushenski;though it's probably fair to say that anyone trinque associates with is an sd or two above the mean
1305960;1445582530;trinque;I'm sure if I pulled one aside at Walmart and told him that Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible, he'd spontaneously combust.
1305961;1445582545;mircea_popescu;it was degrading to NOT be well off at the time.
1305962;1445582699;pete_dushenski;and now berlusconi's the devil incarante for having a few billions to his name. and sleeping with young girls !
1305963;1445582732;trinque;in discussing this with a friend recently, I supposed that the founding fathers might never have dreamed that the lowest would end up included in the category of "people"
1305964;1445582753;trinque;though I don't know what they thought would have prevented it
1305965;1445582789;mircea_popescu;certainly many things fellows'd have never dreamed. like, anyone seriously discussing "animal rights", or industrial robots, take your pick
1305966;1445582873;pete_dushenski;or man on the moon. or negro in the white house.
1305967;1445582926;mircea_popescu;aye
1305968;1445583087;mircea_popescu;", but Washington knew that he would profit mightily if independence was achieved."
1305969;1445583090;mircea_popescu;this is utterly idiotic.
1305970;1445583107;mircea_popescu;for his entire lifetime, and very plainly predictably at that, the land in question would have been worth more under british rule.
1305971;1445583121;mircea_popescu;i find this sort of rampant ignorance offensive.
1305972;1445583669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48321 @ 0.00052546 = 25.3908 BTC [-] {3} 
1305973;1445583730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52879 @ 0.00052251 = 27.6298 BTC [-] {4} 
1305974;1445584584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53139 @ 0.00052202 = 27.7396 BTC [-] {7} 
1305975;1445585194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0005218 = 23.6375 BTC [-] {7} 
1305976;1445585363;fluffypony;lol BingoBoingo
1305977;1445585380;fluffypony;it's not THAT bad :-P
1305978;1445587329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00052342 = 9.945 BTC [+] {2} 
1305979;1445587344;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] IBM’s Watson is such an effective spoofbot that he makes me want to say “DPASTE, IRC AND FUCK YOU” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/ibms-watson-is-such-an-effective-spoofbot-that-he-makes-me-want-to-say-dpaste-irc-and-fuck-you/
1305980;1445588464;adlai;;;seen jurov
1305981;1445588464;gribble;jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <jurov> haha qntra got censored?
1305982;1445589134;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
1305983;1445589135;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a )
1305984;1445589135;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1305985;1445589390;adlai;tl;dr: "DAE STATJSON?"
1305986;1445589459;punkman;dae?
1305987;1445589478;punkman;;;ud dae
1305988;1445589479;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DAE | Dae. street slang for there. Man 1 - "Hey bruh, where did you put my keys? ... Dae is a brazilian expression like eaethat means hello or "how are you" the correct ...
1305989;1445589503;adlai;"does anybody else"
1305990;1445589884;*;adlai thanks mircea for STAT, says three Hail Satoshis, and goes on with life
1305991;1445590257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12624 @ 0.00052425 = 6.6181 BTC [+]
1305992;1445593454;punkman;https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9i8WqXLW451MTIyM2lqR1lpZ3M/view?pli=1
1305993;1445593454;assbot;taco15_magic.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuQVHL )
1305994;1445593675;mircea_popescu;adlai dunno, just got one, looks normal.
1305995;1445594470;mircea_popescu;!up PFate
1305996;1445595686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.0005312 = 21.3808 BTC [-] {2} 
1305997;1445596078;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305849 << me too
1305998;1445596078;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 05:29:59; pete_dushenski: if that's the rule, i'll abide, but if it's up for discussion, i'm in favour of the 'wrong.'
1305999;1445596738;danielpbarron;and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation
1306000;1445596878;danielpbarron;although since seeing that practice in here, I've adopted it for use around the colon sometimes. Can't bring myself to do it with the period
1306001;1445596933;danielpbarron;my personal rule with quotes and punctuation is that if it looks strange, there is probably a better way to form the sentence.
1306002;1445597095;danielpbarron;and what about footnotes at the end of sentences? I think it looks better after the punctuation, even if that isn't "logical"
1306003;1445597211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00053188 = 9.6536 BTC [+]
1306004;1445598065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9072 @ 0.00052878 = 4.7971 BTC [-]
1306005;1445598126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3328 @ 0.00052218 = 1.7378 BTC [-]
1306006;1445599346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19686 @ 0.00052556 = 10.3462 BTC [+]
1306007;1445599895;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 582 @ 0.00408775 = 2.3791 BTC [-] {2} 
1306008;1445600931;punkman;http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/23/uk-indonesia-haze-idUKKCN0SH0QQ20151023
1306009;1445600933;assbot;Indonesia prepares warships to evacuate 'haze' refugees| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXBESx )
1306010;1445601186;punkman;http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/23/is-indonesias-fire-crisis-connected-palm-oil-in-snack-food re:"chocolate"
1306011;1445601187;assbot;Is Indonesia's fire crisis connected to the palm oil in our snack food? | Lindsey Allen | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXCdvL )
1306012;1445601238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00052774 = 5.6996 BTC [+]
1306013;1445601299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00053222 = 20.0647 BTC [+] {2} 
1306014;1445601970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00052955 = 12.9369 BTC [-]
1306015;1445602397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052955 = 1.3239 BTC [-]
1306016;1445602519;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 582 @ 0.0040939 = 2.3826 BTC [+]
1306017;1445602946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00053284 = 10.2305 BTC [+] {2} 
1306018;1445604776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00052818 = 13.3101 BTC [-] {2} 
1306019;1445604879;punkman;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34600544 lol
1306020;1445604881;assbot;China golf: Communist Party bans club membership - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXImrT )
1306021;1445606529;PeterL;BingoBoingo: I like the style guide you made. I am kinda surprised people were submitting MS turds.
1306022;1445606728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59418 @ 0.00052556 = 31.2277 BTC [-] {2} 
1306023;1445606852;PeterL;BingoBoingo: format criteria 3: Web or Trust s/or/of
1306024;1445606949;PeterL;same paragraph "... sources will be replaced <by> a published ..."
1306025;1445607338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98780 @ 0.00053366 = 52.7149 BTC [+] {5} 
1306026;1445607423;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305820 TIFFs are nowaday used to wrap yucky proprietary turds. If you want to look chic, mention "ASCII PBM" instead :)
1306027;1445607423;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 04:45:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No one yet, but I suspect someone is going to scan a document and think "this format is old enough:
1306028;1445607559;jurov;and on more serious note, I miss anything about paragraph formatting, guess <p> should be allowed or even endorsed, too.
1306029;1445607581;PeterL;what more would you need than <p>?
1306030;1445607766;jurov;<blink>
1306031;1445607889;jurov;and <script>, of course
1306032;1445607966;PeterL;I guess you want to use <marquee> too?
1306033;1445607997;jurov;yup, totally forgot
1306034;1445608148;PeterL;Now that QNTRA is a year old, is there any plan to explore revenue generation?
1306035;1445608329;jurov;imo they wait till advertisers come offering themselves
1306036;1445608400;jurov;no one is even buying the bitbet spot.. says something about bitcoin economy
1306037;1445608484;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305593 < that BANX has no credible revenue model was half the point
1306038;1445608484;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 21:58:37; mircea_popescu: i can't from that piece discern what is supposed to be the revenue model of the banx thing.
1306039;1445608491;PeterL;or it says something about the uselessness of banner ads?
1306040;1445608609;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305598 < scalable means up to 10,000 TPS, fast means ~5 second confirms, flexible means you can create all kinds of financial instruments (like integrating BANX or creating market-pegged assets)
1306041;1445608609;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 22:00:43; mircea_popescu: "And yes, it'll be a damn shame if this backfires on BitShares. Their technology is extremely scalable, blazingly fast and impressively flexible on the backend."
1306042;1445608667;HeySteve;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305601 < out of BanxCapital's operations, imaginary or otherwise, which I listed in detail
1306043;1445608667;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 22:01:20; mircea_popescu: "BANX represents a thus far dividend-paying investment in BanxCapital," << dividends out of what ?
1306044;1445608802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61706 @ 0.00053495 = 33.0096 BTC [+] {4} 
1306045;1445608863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26944 @ 0.00053658 = 14.4576 BTC [+] {2} 
1306046;1445610276;HeySteve;as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence
1306047;1445610329;shinohai;https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/announcing-the-blockchain-alliance-t1601.html#p3635   <<< I scare satoshi off by announcing I think it's a good idea to talk to the cia, FF to 2015 and I still lurve LE's
1306048;1445610693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95571 @ 0.00052418 = 50.0964 BTC [-] {3} 
1306049;1445611041;asciilifeform;http://blockchainalliance.org << lulzy, secret pit for stoolies
1306050;1445611042;assbot;Blockchain Alliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1i0v5jQ )
1306051;1445611048;asciilifeform;(from shinohai's link)
1306052;1445611120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13206 @ 0.00053725 = 7.0949 BTC [+]
1306053;1445611143;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3por1c/is_there_really_any_hope/cw86clr   <<< Ethereum lulz
1306054;1445611144;assbot;rabbyte comments on Is there really any hope? ... ( http://bit.ly/1i0vjaP )
1306055;1445611165;shinohai;"If this is a scam, I want to be scammed more." <<< careful what you wish!
1306056;1445611181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51394 @ 0.00053977 = 27.7409 BTC [+] {2} 
1306057;1445611345;funkenstein_;HeySteve, I think the claim is not that newer codes are scam, but that they add little of value compared to their weight in cruft
1306058;1445611437;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305287 <-- oh hey, happy birthday!
1306059;1445611437;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 15:30:34; mod6: The Bitcoin Foundation is one year old today.  Happy Birthday!
1306060;1445611449;funkenstein_;look at that, same day that my testnet project was born
1306061;1445611549;funkenstein_;re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm.  iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch
1306062;1445611553;shinohai;Happy birfday to your testnet project then funkenstein_
1306063;1445611567;funkenstein_;shinohai, thank you :)
1306064;1445611585;shinohai;I have yet to see said project though, is it public?
1306065;1445611611;funkenstein_;yeah, it's called woodcoin
1306066;1445611684;*;shinohai searches for woodcoin.
1306067;1445611734;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052867
1306068;1445611734;assbot;Logged on 14-03-2015 08:36:48; mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831003.0 << look, a scamcoin that's not totally retarded from the get-go.
1306069;1445611779;shinohai;LOL so it has a sort-of mircea_popescu blessing.
1306070;1445611891;funkenstein_;:)  I will continue work to deserve such an endorsement
1306071;1445612115;shinohai;I'm not big on many altcoins, but +1 for not generating a bzillion coins for an "IPO"
1306072;1445612538;funkenstein_;hey thanks.  my goal has been to learn something.  the testnet chumpatron market looks oversaturated.
1306073;1445614170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00053569 = 30.2665 BTC [-]
1306074;1445614206;mircea_popescu;so dumbass eulora db server found a whole new way to fuckup. jesus fuck i love contemporaneity.
1306075;1445614224;mircea_popescu;<danielpbarron> and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation << the wut ?!
1306076;1445614244;mircea_popescu;all trilema says was, do it like this "the end. the begining" rather than "the end.  the begining"
1306077;1445614268;mircea_popescu;and it's only there because tlp does the double space thing to my great annoyance.
1306078;1445614280;mircea_popescu;!up Zuardi
1306079;1445614305;PeterL;but don't you do "the end . the beginning" on trilemma?
1306080;1445614334;Zuardi;thanks, I am starting to gather wot rates, maybe I'll be able to voice myself soon :P
1306081;1445614338;mircea_popescu;<PeterL> Now that QNTRA is a year old, is there any plan to explore revenue generation? << notrly. the plan is to explore a way to get more people to write better.
1306082;1445614441;PeterL;Or is that only with question marks?
1306083;1445614459;shinohai;!gettrust Zuardi
1306084;1445614459;assbot;Trust relationship from user shinohai to user Zuardi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=Zuardi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Zuardi/
1306085;1445614472;mircea_popescu;!up TravisPatron
1306086;1445614480;TravisPatron;!gettrust funkenstein_
1306087;1445614480;assbot;Trust relationship from user TravisPatron to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=TravisPatron&to=funkenstein_ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/funkenstein_/
1306088;1445614483;mircea_popescu;PeterL i space question marks but that's really my mental problem, nobody else.
1306089;1445614484;Zuardi;oh, I see, I need to do the same thing on assbot as well
1306090;1445614494;mircea_popescu;Zuardi just submit key.
1306091;1445614516;Zuardi;mircea_popescu I think i did that, let me double check
1306092;1445614539;mircea_popescu;!gettrust Zuardi
1306093;1445614541;assbot;Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Zuardi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Zuardi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Zuardi/
1306094;1445614543;shinohai;Zuardi: has a key, just no rating
1306095;1445614553;mircea_popescu;!rate Zuardi 1 hey, he thinks he did that!
1306096;1445614554;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6420dbc17c2d2ea8
1306097;1445614561;Zuardi;:)
1306098;1445614577;mircea_popescu;!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Zuardi.1:537c64dac6ad6e2b39f5daddb6e99e4729b0e0ae4e9b247f4f6cc49a226247e9
1306099;1445614577;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Zuardi with note: hey, he thinks he did that!
1306100;1445614695;mircea_popescu;<HeySteve> as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence << but note that none of that is in any sense what i said.
1306101;1445614707;mircea_popescu;the problem of your thing was its form, not its content. i couldn't even get to the content.
1306102;1445614752;mircea_popescu;take a very simple metric : you say " that BANX has no credible revenue model was half the point" but at no point, and especially not at the right point, was the plain statement "BANX has no revenue model" to be found.
1306103;1445614902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00054114 = 13.312 BTC [+]
1306104;1445614904;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> http://blockchainalliance.org << lulzy, secret pit for stoolies << not so secret really, it was supposed to be a backup scam foundation just in case.
1306105;1445614904;assbot;Blockchain Alliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1i0v5jQ )
1306106;1445614906;PeterL;pete_dushenski: Your blog pic is nice, but you should switch to a double-winger tie, the single winger looks weak
1306107;1445614950;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gavin_andersen the reference for your "there's always been" is http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ fucktard.
1306108;1445614951;assbot;The politics of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K07c9f )
1306109;1445614951;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1306110;1445614956;mircea_popescu;that's all there's been.
1306111;1445614977;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/ibms-watson-is-such-an-effective-spoofbot-that-he-makes-me-want-to-say-dpaste-irc-and-fuck-you/ << for any and all email header experts in the audience.
1306112;1445614979;assbot;IBM’s Watson is such an effective spoofbot that he makes me want to say “DPASTE, IRC AND FUCK YOU” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1kzRJBx )
1306113;1445614992;mircea_popescu;<shinohai> "If this is a scam, I want to be scammed more." <<< careful what you wish! << no, it's exact. and he'll get it too.
1306114;1445614999;pete_dushenski;PeterL double winger as in bowtiw ?
1306115;1445615004;pete_dushenski;bowtie*
1306116;1445615020;PeterL;no, just another loop in the necktie to make it more symmetrical
1306117;1445615060;mircea_popescu;<funkenstein_> re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm.  iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch << there isn't a bunchy of these things to pick one from. this was THE ONLY THING HAPPENING THAT DAY IN THE WHOLE 12 MILLION STRONG "CITY"
1306118;1445615075;mircea_popescu;aka "rural settlement". fucking san bernardino or somesuch.
1306119;1445615090;Zuardi;!rate mircea_popescu 1 some kind of bitcoin legend, I am still figuring it out, probably a good person
1306120;1445615090;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/dd3db40d4ca5a3d9
1306121;1445615131;funkenstein_;lol :)
1306122;1445615173;funkenstein_;could try one of these https://www.goabase.net/parties.php?country=Argentina
1306123;1445615174;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtRhcV )
1306124;1445615187;pete_dushenski;PeterL aha. not a bad idea at all.
1306125;1445615223;mircea_popescu;funkenstein_ "PATAGONIA FESTIVAL 2016 FEB. AUSTRAL CELEBRATION PSYCHEDELLIC
1306126;1445615223;mircea_popescu;who is coming? 2   El Chalten Patagonia. Santa Cruz"
1306127;1445615235;mircea_popescu;i wonder if you realise how far away that is, in hundreds of marine miles.
1306128;1445615304;mircea_popescu;also, fucking raves ?
1306129;1445615316;pete_dushenski;is funkenstein_ 24yo ?
1306130;1445615318;*;mircea_popescu misses the sun of his home planet.
1306131;1445615355;funkenstein_;perhaps forced to stay home and write more articles for us?  :D
1306132;1445615372;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, "no revenue model" is an easy change. the goal was to systematically dispell the smoke and mirrors around BANX and influence BTS to avoid it.
1306133;1445615408;HeySteve;so perhaps too many words and perhaps overly kind to BTS, although I do believe their technology is good.
1306134;1445615502;mircea_popescu;why is this not getting through tho ?
1306135;1445615525;mircea_popescu;not many words, bad words. not overly kind to x. bad form. bad structure.
1306136;1445615573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117650 @ 0.00053499 = 62.9416 BTC [-] {2} 
1306137;1445615580;shinohai;"purveyor of surveillance appliances for the multitudes"   <<< great Microsoft descriptor pete_dushenski
1306138;1445615582;mircea_popescu;is that meaningless to you or what's the problem ?
1306139;1445615621;mircea_popescu;jurov no one is even buying the bitbet spot.. says something about bitcoin economy << or about advertising.
1306140;1445615636;pete_dushenski;shinohai cheers !
1306141;1445615725;shinohai;I do wonder why there is a picture of Dr. Stu Price on your blog now though.
1306142;1445615728;shinohai;j/k
1306143;1445615844;Zuardi;!v assbot:Zuardi.rate.mircea_popescu.1:ff8196ce74a04b4838ffe83d9b212fb1fd3541c814988220e6e1ca217a22b93d
1306144;1445615844;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: some kind of bitcoin legend, I am still figuring it out, probably a good person
1306145;1445615942;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, the problem is I spent 5 fucking days researching BANX and interviewing Lyford so that fewer suckers would be scammed
1306146;1445615957;mircea_popescu;this part is fine.
1306147;1445615977;HeySteve;now that time is wasted because arbitrary stylistic reasons which I was never informed of
1306148;1445615983;mircea_popescu;the part that isn't fine is what you made with the results. list, for public benefit, the things you found in these 5 days.
1306149;1445615994;mircea_popescu;it is not a matter of arbitrary stylistic reasons.
1306150;1445616005;HeySteve;36 ref flags showing that it's a scam (not sure if those are in the version you saw)
1306151;1445616010;HeySteve;red*
1306152;1445616012;mircea_popescu;not "36 red flags".
1306153;1445616015;mircea_popescu;1. X
1306154;1445616018;mircea_popescu;2. Y
1306155;1445616020;mircea_popescu;3. Z
1306156;1445616032;mircea_popescu;and you'd better get to 36, because if you don't you have a serious problem to contemplate.
1306157;1445616099;HeySteve;well ok, 1. the ICO was sustained for a year+ because it didn't raise the projected revenue
1306158;1445616120;HeySteve;2. the business plan which drew in investors has been changed
1306159;1445616153;HeySteve;3. the hardforks with another one coming as soon as this weekend
1306160;1445616165;mircea_popescu;that problem being... did you just MAKE UP A NUMBER ? in a discussion about an article that you submitted which was rejected for being very poorly written, which you wish to interpret as political, or stylistical, or anything but what the actual problem is ?
1306161;1445616192;Zuardi;hooray
1306162;1445616222;HeySteve;no I didn't make up a number, I covered all the data and tallied the red flags as I went
1306163;1445616228;mircea_popescu;and they're 36 ?
1306164;1445616230;shinohai;!rate Zuardi 1 new blood
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1306166;1445616280;HeySteve;yes 36, not that I'm an expert in spotting scams but it seems clear this is a company to be avoided
1306167;1445616296;shinohai;!v assbot:shinohai.rate.Zuardi.1:767d4ef41b8bf82a8de174b5dbc949038a2df35f1eb849ff86b7a6d8b126aad5
1306168;1445616296;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for Zuardi with note: new blood
1306169;1445616308;mircea_popescu;well, so why was your piece not titled "36 red flags... you can take these to the Banx" ?
1306170;1445616327;mircea_popescu;not that this specific FORM is required, but do you follow the LOGIC  involved ?
1306171;1445616375;mircea_popescu;i have to dig it out of you with irons that "hey, i researched this for five days, there's three dozen wrong things" ? why, because you hate the world ?
1306172;1445616382;HeySteve;it was originally titled: BanxShares: BitAsset or BitLiability?
1306173;1445616414;mircea_popescu;here's how a qntrable 2 would look : "The original business plan said "X, Y and Z" in relevant part, and it attracted ~10 BTC. Then it was changed to "nonY and cvasi Z no mention of X" leaving the original investors hanging.
1306174;1445616464;mircea_popescu;here's how a qntrable 3 would look : the first hardfork occured on x date, y days after launch, and did z. the second x' y' did z'. the third etc. and now coming soo nthe nth, doing etc"
1306175;1445616523;Zuardi;!rate felipelalli 1 the guy is trying to bring facebook people into the light, helps brazilians with otc at #bitcoin-bra
1306176;1445616523;assbot;Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/957f843dcb960bd0
1306177;1445616538;mircea_popescu;o you know felipelalli ?
1306178;1445616554;Zuardi;assbot:Zuardi.rate.felipelalli.1:164d1aa44e6fb55eb905d78fe326b31072713ba9b91abcf7a840206af2108f4c
1306179;1445616558;Zuardi;!v assbot:Zuardi.rate.felipelalli.1:164d1aa44e6fb55eb905d78fe326b31072713ba9b91abcf7a840206af2108f4c
1306180;1445616558;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: the guy is trying to bring facebook people into the light, helps brazilians with otc at #bitcoin-bra
1306181;1445616596;Zuardi;mircea_popescu not irl, only online, we have an ex-coworker in common at facebook
1306182;1445616604;mircea_popescu;aok\
1306183;1445616693;mircea_popescu;bbl.
1306184;1445616701;HeySteve;well, I've accepted a freelance writing contract for this weekend so I can't make any immediate changes. if someone is interested in editing it, I think it's worth doing before Banx assumes its next form
1306185;1445616762;felipelalli;Zuardi, who is him? I didn't know that.
1306186;1445616780;Zuardi;felipelalli Jampa
1306187;1445616807;felipalla;Porque no estoy "alli" sino "alla"
1306188;1445616807;felipelalli;why?
1306189;1445616811;felipelalli;hahah
1306190;1445616893;felipelalli;Zuardi, Jampa didn't work with me. I guess we know each other while we both were subscribed to "radinho de pilha" then "webees" email list.
1306191;1445616993;Zuardi;felipelalli ok
1306192;1445617015;felipelalli;Zuardi, you are so new in OTC WoT, where did you heard about #ba?
1306193;1445617070;Zuardi;felipelalli somehow recently I ended up on trilema, link of link of a link
1306194;1445617186;felipelalli;so, you reach the right place
1306195;1445617226;Zuardi;looks like it, yes :)
1306196;1445617235;shinohai;It's like Cosa Nostra, but instead of burning Saint cards we burn reddit accounts.
1306197;1445617403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00053477 = 26.5246 BTC [-] {2} 
1306198;1445617604;felipelalli;Also the "gang noise™", "turminha do barulho".
1306199;1445617769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78763 @ 0.00052392 = 41.2655 BTC [-] {2} 
1306200;1445618033;kakobrekla;for qntra mebbe http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170305&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=604079
1306201;1445618034;assbot;CURIA - Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDgjO )
1306202;1445618318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13982 @ 0.00052392 = 7.3254 BTC [-]
1306203;1445618446;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306204;1445618457;ascii_field;;;later tell jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source << appears to be dead
1306205;1445618458;assbot;500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDYO0 )
1306206;1445618458;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1306207;1445618511;ascii_field;so, what, i have to keep my own ?
1306208;1445618516;ascii_field;wtf is the point of foundation then.
1306209;1445618578;ascii_field;;;later tell mod6 do you think we could have a http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source but one that 1) works and 2) follows the latest leaf vnodes ?
1306210;1445618578;assbot;500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDYO0 )
1306211;1445618578;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1306212;1445618641;mod6;oh, i didn't know that one was down.  jurov any thoughts on that?
1306213;1445618692;jurov;no idea, must check the server
1306214;1445618696;mod6;ascii_field: yeah following the leafs would be ideal.
1306215;1445618699;mod6;thanks jurov
1306216;1445618730;ascii_field;mod6: also doxygen, contrary to my first thoughts, is 100% worthless
1306217;1445618738;ascii_field;because i can't link to individual lines of code there.
1306218;1445618774;mod6;ah, alrighty.  will mark with 'X' for removal.
1306219;1445618797;ascii_field;all of this is because i wanted to show funkenstein why his patch is catastrophically mistaken
1306220;1445618799;ascii_field;(it is)
1306221;1445618816;mod6;thanks for taking a close look at that, much appreciated.
1306222;1445618828;ascii_field;but now it will have to wait, until i can link to lines of code.
1306223;1445618844;*;mod6 wonders if we need to build our own source code browser based on V
1306224;1445618855;ascii_field;mod6: i have a half-written one but it is no good
1306225;1445618863;ascii_field;(and i've no time to make a proper job of it)
1306226;1445618868;ascii_field;thing is, this is harder than it appears
1306227;1445618873;ascii_field;because links have to be aware of version
1306228;1445618883;ascii_field;(or they will turn into nonsense with every new patch)
1306229;1445618893;mod6;ah, ok for the meantime we'll just get lxr back up and going... we'll just need to be quick on the update for authorized/btcf signed leafs
1306230;1445618902;ascii_field;cool
1306231;1445618989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00052218 = 15.6132 BTC [-]
1306232;1445619135;pete_dushenski;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/22/espn-layoffs-will-gut-the-networks-production-staff/ << o hey traditional media is thriving donchaknow
1306233;1445619137;assbot;ESPN layoffs will gut the network’s production staff - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGzw1P )
1306234;1445619161;pete_dushenski;because competing with gawker for worthless eyeballs means that YOU'RE WORTHLESS TOO
1306235;1445619198;pete_dushenski;"Our 36 years of continuous growth and success has been driven by our consistent willingness to reimagine our future" << heh
1306236;1445619273;PeterL;kakobrekla: your link says bitcoin transactions are VAT exempt?
1306237;1445619320;kakobrekla;No VAT on bitcoin or bitcoin exchange fees in the EU.
1306238;1445619726;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ back online, i have riced postgres and it ran out of memory
1306239;1445619727;assbot;Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFPT8 )
1306240;1445619764;jurov;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source still has error cached, should be 15 mins
1306241;1445619764;assbot;500 Internal Server Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDYO0 )
1306242;1445619843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62718 @ 0.00052427 = 32.8812 BTC [+] {2} 
1306243;1445619846;jurov;mod6 or whoever - if you can produce one version from V per directory, it's trivial to add to lxr
1306244;1445619901;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306075 << like how you and others put a space before a question mark
1306245;1445619901;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 15:30:24; mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation << the wut ?!
1306246;1445619904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42664 @ 0.00052621 = 22.4502 BTC [+]
1306247;1445619959;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron i'm with you there
1306248;1445619962;mod6;jurov: per directory?
1306249;1445619996;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306088 << i would always remove the space when bashing lines on twitter. Same thing when quoting asciilifeform; I'd change his single quotes into double quotes
1306250;1445619996;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 15:34:43; mircea_popescu: PeterL i space question marks but that's really my mental problem, nobody else.
1306251;1445619997;mod6;so with V, you can use a command called "press" that will patch up through a given HEAD.
1306252;1445620042;jurov;that's easiest to plug in.  alternatively, there is git support
1306253;1445620092;mod6;and "press" will output this automatic patching process to an output directory.  I could bundle that up and send it to you if that's what you mean?
1306254;1445620093;jurov;anyway, i don't have any idea how you want it to be laid out. lxr's idea of versions is just a flat list.
1306255;1445620115;mod6;yeah, ok. let me just press something together and send it to you so you can see.
1306256;1445620331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28033 @ 0.00052621 = 14.7512 BTC [+]
1306257;1445620548;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1306258;1445620912;ascii_field;jurov: thing is, every time a new patch comes to exist, this is a new version.
1306259;1445620934;ascii_field;and, ideally, eventually we will have a thing that eats'em in real time and doesn't need human hands to update
1306260;1445620962;ascii_field;(i write a patch, sign it, throw in the hopper, everyone who has my name ticked - sees a tree with that patch applied. but OLD LINKS MUST CONTINUE TO WORK)
1306261;1445621576;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305992 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176000
1306262;1445621576;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 09:44:14; punkman: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9i8WqXLW451MTIyM2lqR1lpZ3M/view?pli=1
1306263;1445621576;assbot;Logged on 25-06-2015 05:53:02; asciilifeform: not to mention the 'wriggleysgumizations' introduced by the shrinkage
1306264;1445621615;ascii_field;the mega-vlsi of recent years was bought with the price of 'don't expect to run this chip for more than a few years'
1306265;1445621633;ascii_field;what? your computer is from 2007 and you expect to use it a decade from now? terrorist!
1306266;1445621734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58504 @ 0.00053759 = 31.4512 BTC [+]
1306267;1445621865;pete_dushenski;"Alphabet beat earnings estimates by 14 cents with Q3 profit of $7.20 a share. Advertising revenue on its Google sites pushed sales to rise 13% to $18.68 billion." << stock +9% today
1306268;1445621982;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305946 << a good chunk of what he owned was nearly-worthless swampland. which he pawned off on the new government, and it became... modern washington, d.c.
1306269;1445621982;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 06:33:53; mircea_popescu: "Washington was a land developer, often described as the richest of his generation. By the end of the American Revolution, General Washington controlled about sixty thousand acres of land" << and there lies the debunk. it's true that george washington was well off. it's true he controlled some tens of k's of acres. it is UNTRUE that made him "richest in his generation".
1306270;1445622060;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305949 << w's plantation is preserved to this day. museum. i've been there. 'not poor' does not begin to describe it.
1306271;1445622060;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 06:35:14; mircea_popescu: he certainly wasn't poor, but that's as far as that goes.
1306272;1445622153;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305935 << a clever crapware writer does not create bots vulnerable to hijacking or to the destruction of hardcoded c&c server(s).
1306273;1445622153;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 06:09:04; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxbClfWIAAZIx8.png:large  "Wondering how my botnet researcher friends feel like knowing that all botnets they took down w/ FBI ended up to TAO "
1306274;1445622160;ascii_field;rsa exists.
1306275;1445622287;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305838 << if it's 'chocolate' made in a nato country, it tastes like shit.
1306276;1445622287;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 05:19:47; BingoBoingo: For a while Hershey was advertising that shit as chocolate... since the ruling they just don't sell chocolate now, just "chocolate product"
1306277;1445622309;ascii_field;why the orc world has not cottoned on to the fraud, is unknown to me
1306278;1445622325;ascii_field;but ru/ua confections remain edible. for now.
1306279;1445622337;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/ << re chocolate ain't what she used to be
1306280;1445622339;assbot;The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1kA8A7e )
1306281;1445622370;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: nato chocolate has sucked donkey arse for as long as i've been alive, afaik
1306282;1445622373;ascii_field;if not longer.
1306283;1445622412;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306284;1445622440;ascii_field;see, if this were, e.g., ww1 germany, and we were grinding up acorns and making 'coffee' from this, it would make some kind of sense - because british naval blockade.
1306285;1445622442;ascii_field;but why this?
1306286;1445622490;pete_dushenski;economics.
1306287;1445622501;ascii_field;more specifically?
1306288;1445622526;pete_dushenski;which is really the same situation as ww1 germany, you could have coffee at SOME price, just not one that anyone but the chancellor can afford.
1306289;1445622544;ascii_field;i suppose they picked between soy oil and 'add a zero to the price'
1306290;1445622546;pete_dushenski;same story today. chocolate exists, but only at $maxint
1306291;1445622570;ascii_field;thing is, it is necessary to explain why i can get ru chocolate (and without breaking a sweat, really) at some mere 3x
1306292;1445622571;pete_dushenski;ascii_field pretty much that. and lose 'market share' instantly to those who don't add zero
1306293;1445622574;punkman;pete_dushenski: real chocolate is still cheap enough
1306294;1445622578;ascii_field;^
1306295;1445622596;pete_dushenski;cheap enough =! cheap
1306296;1445622603;pete_dushenski;1/3 cost is 1/3 cost
1306297;1445622637;pete_dushenski;and disproportionately more customers are to be had at 1/3 cost. non-linear effect.
1306298;1445622649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45699 @ 0.00052836 = 24.1455 BTC [-]
1306299;1445622663;pete_dushenski;as long a the goal of 'chocolatiers' is more people, that's what they'll get
1306300;1445622684;pete_dushenski;back in a bit.
1306301;1445622688;thestringpuller;this is why godiva's are only in rich malls
1306302;1445622705;ascii_field;anyway it remains simple to get actual chocolate, at least near major urban centers in usa (where ru immigrants live.) but as an ~ingredient~ it has become very scarce. i've largely given up on ice cream, for instance.
1306303;1445622741;jurov;got v.pl working.. now you want the poor listbox in lxr to show *all* patches ever?
1306304;1445622742;thestringpuller;ascii_field: you gotta find a local chocolatier, the one near my house has access to "real chocolate"
1306305;1445622748;thestringpuller;expensive but it's worth the money
1306306;1445622754;jurov;er. combobox
1306307;1445622767;jurov;or leafs or ?
1306308;1445622783;punkman;I can get belgian slabs for 10-15eur/kilo from a local bakery
1306309;1445622790;jurov;ascii_field: ^
1306310;1445622795;punkman;but nothing of the sort to be found anywhere else
1306311;1445622798;ascii_field;punkman: you can get plutonium slabs, sure. i was speaking of ice cream
1306312;1445622804;ascii_field;go and find an ice cream shop which uses it!
1306313;1445622809;punkman;I did!
1306314;1445622814;ascii_field;neato
1306315;1445622835;punkman;found random hole in the wall ice cream maker this summer
1306316;1445622845;ascii_field;jurov: for now let's have the ones i've signed ?
1306317;1445622850;ascii_field;just the leaves
1306318;1445622853;punkman;and he's 24/7 too because he works all night
1306319;1445622926;jurov;there are only two: asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch , right?
1306320;1445622937;ascii_field;jurov: right
1306321;1445622957;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306117 << imho the very concept of a public sex club is inherently derpatronic.
1306322;1445622957;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 15:44:20; mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm.  iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch << there isn't a bunchy of these things to pick one from. this was THE ONLY THING HAPPENING THAT DAY IN THE WHOLE 12 MILLION STRONG "CITY"
1306323;1445622979;ascii_field;(the people who think they need this, are the ones you least want to meet. almost by definition.)
1306324;1445622999;ascii_field;but then again i don't go in for consorting with strangers at all, so nobody-asked-me (tm)
1306325;1445623118;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306139 << advertising has no future in a sane world. but has anyone invented even a hypothetical profit model for qntra that doesn't in some way involve it? i've been wondering this since the day q opened
1306326;1445623118;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 15:53:41; mircea_popescu: jurov no one is even buying the bitbet spot.. says something about bitcoin economy << or about advertising.
1306327;1445623177;punkman;subscription/paywall
1306328;1445623198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52898 @ 0.00053307 = 28.1983 BTC [+] {2} 
1306329;1445623200;thestringpuller;^^^^
1306330;1445623209;ascii_field;that'll be when i stop reading.
1306331;1445623246;thestringpuller;ascii_field: do you subscribe to any magazines (even if they're comic books)?
1306332;1445623247;ascii_field;and i don't think i am alone among thinking people in this position on paywalls.
1306333;1445623248;jurov;lxr down again.. prolly must drop db and reindex everything, will be a while
1306334;1445623250;ascii_field;thestringpuller: no.
1306335;1445623257;ascii_field;thestringpuller: never have.
1306336;1445623268;thestringpuller;do you buy books?
1306337;1445623286;ascii_field;thestringpuller: by the tonne
1306338;1445623299;punkman;qntra quarterly print issue?
1306339;1445623303;thestringpuller;^^^
1306340;1445623321;ascii_field;thestringpuller: thing is, i only buy books because reading on electronic machines is unpleasant (and before anyone asks, i own a dozen or so different types)
1306341;1445623360;thestringpuller;ascii_field: there has to be something Qntra could publish you would be willing to purchase
1306342;1445623366;ascii_field;doubtful
1306343;1445623383;jurov;mugs and tees!
1306344;1445623384;ascii_field;because a thing like qntra works at least partly by being linkable
1306345;1445623402;ascii_field;'if i can't link someone to it, it isn't part of the conversation' or how did it go.
1306346;1445623413;thestringpuller;jurov: this is good point. XKCD is profitable because of it's merch store
1306347;1445623426;ascii_field;notice that when we discuss books, i eventually end up linking a w4r3z copy here.
1306348;1445623433;ascii_field;whenever such exists in english.
1306349;1445623447;ascii_field;because if i can't link to it, it doesn't rightfully exist
1306350;1445623450;ascii_field;for the purpose of the convo.
1306351;1445623487;thestringpuller;^- you do this with XKCD and they make money without ads, so something is going on here.
1306352;1445623573;thestringpuller;iirc "What If?" (munroe's book) did quite well. i had a dream about a Qntra book.
1306353;1445623574;ascii_field;i have nfi how much it makes
1306354;1445623605;thestringpuller;enough that he doesn't have to get a "real job" and can subsidize gf's medical bills
1306355;1445623686;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37315 @ 0.00052513 = 19.5952 BTC [-]
1306356;1445623810;ascii_field;thestringpuller: the one thing that always bugged me about r. munroe is his eagerness to play to the reddit/derp crowd
1306357;1445623866;thestringpuller;ascii_field: they are easy to separate from their dollars
1306358;1445623898;ascii_field;whereas ~thinking~ btc folks are not easily separable from their btc.
1306359;1445623899;thestringpuller;this is why thinkgeek is still around a decade later, yet they sell nothing but "tyos"
1306360;1445623920;ascii_field;it also helps to remember that 'nobody pays for sunlight'
1306361;1445624040;thestringpuller;people pay for information.
1306362;1445624054;ascii_field;really?
1306363;1445624091;thestringpuller;isn't this how mob bosses do business?
1306364;1445624146;ascii_field;i've no idea. ask mircea_popescu perhaps.
1306365;1445624202;thestringpuller;me either. qntra isn't a webcomic so I don't expect it to monetize as such. but the webcomics have held their own.
1306366;1445624235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110422 @ 0.00052218 = 57.6602 BTC [-]
1306367;1445624241;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306368;1445624263;punkman;weekly qntra comic strip would be fun if BB can find an artist
1306369;1445624273;ascii_field;i really can't fathom how qntra could turn a profit any more than therealbitcoin could
1306370;1445624278;ascii_field;but perhaps i'm thick
1306371;1445624333;thestringpuller;or just one of the anchors, a necessary component.
1306372;1445624356;ascii_field;afaik every single webcomic that actually pays somebody's rent is produced by a charismatic reddit-panderer
1306373;1445624383;thestringpuller;penny arcade is pre-reddit
1306374;1445624397;thestringpuller;dunno whatever happened to ctrl-alt-del
1306375;1445624402;*;ascii_field does not actually know enough on the subject to comment further
1306376;1445624439;thestringpuller;oh wow cad-comic is still around and they have a physical publisher now and an ongoing?
1306377;1445624451;thestringpuller;impressive
1306378;1445625699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33453 @ 0.00052133 = 17.4401 BTC [-]
1306379;1445626004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29981 @ 0.00052094 = 15.6183 BTC [-] {2} 
1306380;1445626431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56696 @ 0.00052152 = 29.5681 BTC [+] {2} 
1306381;1445627061;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306184 << there's absolutely no rush.
1306382;1445627061;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 16:11:41; HeySteve: well, I've accepted a freelance writing contract for this weekend so I can't make any immediate changes. if someone is interested in editing it, I think it's worth doing before Banx assumes its next form
1306383;1445627083;mircea_popescu;moroever, if your five days of research can just be dreamed up by the next guy, you've not done any actual research.
1306384;1445627210;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306200 << word.
1306385;1445627210;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 16:33:53; kakobrekla: for qntra mebbe http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170305&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=604079
1306386;1445627321;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306217 << the solution to this may actually be trivial. there's a snippet of javascript i stole off the archive.is guy, it's now on trilema, alloows for this. see http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
1306387;1445627321;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 16:45:38; ascii_field: because i can't link to individual lines of code there.
1306388;1445627322;assbot;That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZbjX6 )
1306389;1445627360;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306390;1445627364;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: not trivial. see thread. it has to not break when new patches appear!
1306391;1445627380;ascii_field;so it is not simply a matter of highlighting text on a www page.
1306392;1445627382;mircea_popescu;that's a different problem. but merely the "individual lines of a page" part of it
1306393;1445627385;mircea_popescu;yea
1306394;1445627416;mircea_popescu;of course the other problem in question may actually be one of those "ensconced rock" type of things, ie, we've not fully conceptualized the implications.
1306395;1445627427;mircea_popescu;specifically : does this actually need to make a "line of code" a graph node ?
1306396;1445627443;ascii_field;it does.
1306397;1445627456;mircea_popescu;well this actually changes everything... should we be saving directly asts ?
1306398;1445627474;mircea_popescu;"line of code" is about as meaningful as "nice butt"
1306399;1445627480;ascii_field;no, because it is pointless to save something that can be re-derived.
1306400;1445627493;mircea_popescu;but derived from what, a line of code is just a meaningless string
1306401;1445627500;ascii_field;derived from the patch set.
1306402;1445627504;mircea_popescu;same "line of code" can be on three lines.
1306403;1445627520;ascii_field;well yes, which is why a link has to encode ~which~ point in the patchspace it links to.
1306404;1445627528;ascii_field;not merely 'file.cpp line#xxxx'
1306405;1445627538;mircea_popescu;but see, you wish to link to "lines of code" except these are lower than the minimal granularity ; they only catch meaning after the ast was derived from the whole program
1306406;1445627567;mircea_popescu;ie you may be asking for a .1 reference in a 1 metric space.
1306407;1445627583;ascii_field;well, more concretely, today i wanted to link to one of the places where funkenstein introduced a mistake
1306408;1445627599;mircea_popescu;but if you're not happy with the mere "meaningless line" as seen i ntrilema selection
1306409;1445627609;mircea_popescu;\and want actual meaningful LINE, that's complex suddenly
1306410;1445627611;ascii_field;in order to do this, there would have to be a www widget that displays the tree he patched against. and will continue to do so a year from now.
1306411;1445627634;mircea_popescu;no listen, i understand what you want
1306412;1445627642;mircea_popescu;im just not sure we understand what you want MEANS
1306413;1445627666;ascii_field;9cbe118c362dca5f4e340519d3ad48e79a1ef896f2fe297a3481067e8a3c0c1fdd6c09fe251918358e67bc90aa884f952454c051ddfca06f334ce359aadd688a#xxxxx where xxxxx is the line
1306414;1445627671;ascii_field;is all i need for this.
1306415;1445627686;mircea_popescu;how is immutability provided ?
1306416;1445627693;ascii_field;thinkaboutit
1306417;1445627698;ascii_field;that hash is never going away.
1306418;1445627713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48062 @ 0.00052256 = 25.1153 BTC [+] {2} 
1306419;1445627713;mircea_popescu;but what is it a hash of ? the whole file ?
1306420;1445627715;ascii_field;it will always be possible to produce the file having it, by walking the chain
1306421;1445627731;ascii_field;see his patch, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000172.html
1306422;1445627732;assbot;[BTC-dev] chuck_checkpoints vpatch submission ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9GS2c )
1306423;1445627748;ascii_field;it is the vhash (sha512) of his output's main.cpp
1306424;1445627764;ascii_field;~this~ is how immutability works in v
1306425;1445627770;mircea_popescu;no you're right... so basically each line needs a # in front of it, which should link to that... hmmm...
1306426;1445627794;ascii_field;really needs a wwwtronic thing that takes a vhash in the url and a line num.
1306427;1445627796;mircea_popescu;how about what you want is a # in front of each file, linked to [path]/filename#hash
1306428;1445627798;ascii_field;and then colorizes
1306429;1445627810;mircea_popescu;where hash = sha521 (whole file + line index)
1306430;1445627824;ascii_field;ugh why this extra garbage
1306431;1445627837;mircea_popescu;so you can use the url structure.
1306432;1445627839;ascii_field;just display the file having that hash, and have the js wind to the correct line
1306433;1445627847;mircea_popescu;hm
1306434;1445627850;ascii_field;i don't need a 100MB pile of shit in my browser, ty
1306435;1445627869;mircea_popescu;so you want the www server to see [path]/hash/ and spit out the right file ?
1306436;1445627878;ascii_field;aha
1306437;1445627887;mircea_popescu;i suppose this will need a xreference db
1306438;1445627888;ascii_field;i actually had this working in my unpublished v-wwwtron
1306439;1445627898;ascii_field;didn't need a db either
1306440;1445627922;mircea_popescu;so if it's working publish it
1306441;1445627929;ascii_field;just used 'o' knob on my 'v'
1306442;1445627932;ascii_field;(find-origin)
1306443;1445627942;mircea_popescu;ah www server also runs v right
1306444;1445627951;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there were a bunch of important things which did not work.
1306445;1445627964;mircea_popescu;so ?
1306446;1445627966;ascii_field;and i now consider mod6's gadget to have superseded mine.
1306447;1445627987;mircea_popescu;which is wjhy you break it open publish the parts that work
1306448;1445628007;ascii_field;atm i desperately lack the time to do anything useful with this.
1306449;1445628046;mircea_popescu;looky, there's sometrhing dysfiunctional in this process of "i want this thing, and i want it to work exactly like this thing i made, that i'm not publishing". what is this, tru love mating ?
1306450;1445628048;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: all the useful, correct parts, were published, they are in the 'v' article on your www.
1306451;1445628067;mircea_popescu;i guess i missed this mechaqnism in there then
1306452;1445628075;ascii_field;grep for 'origin'
1306453;1445628082;mircea_popescu;brb
1306454;1445628135;mircea_popescu;right.
1306455;1445628152;mircea_popescu;course callouts from www to python will have to be supported.
1306456;1445628207;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306235 << either that or cheap imports, whichever.
1306457;1445628207;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 16:53:18; pete_dushenski: "Our 36 years of continuous growth and success has been driven by our consistent willingness to reimagine our future" << heh
1306458;1445628208;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: or integrate whole thing into a pythonatronic www thing, a la phuctor
1306459;1445628213;pete_dushenski;"After laying off more than 300 workers, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is trying to lift the spirits of the remaining employees by giving them 6.8 million shares of the stock he owns in the online messaging service." << so noble of jack to take a tax write-off on these shares before their value plummets to zero.
1306460;1445628249;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i was thinking about this, there's no way to avoid a v dependency anyway, in principle. so it will have to be a python www anyway
1306461;1445628266;pete_dushenski;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfxUt9UM0nc
1306462;1445628267;assbot;Goat Babies in Pajamas! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9IgSg )
1306463;1445628275;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski check you out, you're actually understanding how rich world works.
1306464;1445628308;pete_dushenski;better to understand that part of the world now than after i'm already there
1306465;1445628403;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does google even have an "alphabet" parent, since we're discussing these things ? doth qntra know?
1306466;1445628443;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306268 << a) they wanted to make him king. yes, that';s right, king. the guy declined ; b) wash dc wasn't even his fucking idea.
1306467;1445628443;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:39:42; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305946 << a good chunk of what he owned was nearly-worthless swampland. which he pawned off on the new government, and it became... modern washington, d.c.
1306468;1445628508;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306270 << it does. go see how fugger lived, about the same time.
1306469;1445628508;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:41:00; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305949 << w's plantation is preserved to this day. museum. i've been there. 'not poor' does not begin to describe it.
1306470;1445628587;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu alphabet would seem to be a tax mitigation strategy from this angle, but maybe it's one of those libtard jokes gone wrong, like 'czar'
1306471;1445628592;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306275 << naw, i've had perfectly fine swiss, belgian etc. you just gotta not buy the murican crap
1306472;1445628592;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:44:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305838 << if it's 'chocolate' made in a nato country, it tastes like shit.
1306473;1445628620;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski just saying, a dossier on all the ways alphabet mitigates tax is definitely a qntra worthy research project for the actuarialy inclined.
1306474;1445628622;pete_dushenski;whoddathunk that the meta-nsa would only be meta... in name
1306475;1445628650;jurov;so far it looks like this: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?!v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected
1306476;1445628653;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9J7T5 )
1306477;1445628653;pete_dushenski;"we're like the nsa, fbi, cia alphabet agencies, but better !"
1306478;1445628675;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu indeed it would be
1306479;1445628721;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306291 << lightweight. i get argentinian chocolate at $20 a lb.
1306480;1445628721;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:49:30; ascii_field: thing is, it is necessary to explain why i can get ru chocolate (and without breaking a sweat, really) at some mere 3x
1306481;1445628727;mircea_popescu;HAND MADE.
1306482;1445628784;mircea_popescu;(tru story : doctor's visit. "why do my knees hurt me doc ?" "oxalates" "what do i do ?" "no more chocolate" "OMGWTFBBQ".)
1306483;1445628809;mircea_popescu;be thankful for the hershey you have.
1306484;1445628823;ascii_field;ew
1306485;1445628849;ascii_field;for some reason, even before the oil thing, 'hershey' is associated with diarrhea in my mind
1306486;1445628861;ascii_field;possibly from usenes, alt.tasteless, but not 100% certain why.
1306487;1445628864;ascii_field;*usenet
1306488;1445628882;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306312 << you've just been spoiled srsly.
1306489;1445628882;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:53:24; ascii_field: go and find an ice cream shop which uses it!
1306490;1445628907;mircea_popescu;they also don't put chunks of mango in the mango icecream i bet. you knolw ?
1306491;1445628920;ascii_field;http://now8news.com/jimmy-dean-sausage-in-walmart-bathroom << related.
1306492;1445628922;assbot;Woman Arrested For Masturbating With Jimmy Dean Sausage In Walmart Bathroom ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9JIUS )
1306493;1445628931;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306321 << what';s the alternative, incest ?
1306494;1445628931;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:55:57; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306117 << imho the very concept of a public sex club is inherently derpatronic.
1306495;1445628941;mircea_popescu;sex is by its design the one, the first, the best public matter.
1306496;1445628943;ascii_field;'When they did, female officers entered the restroom with Johnson still “putting in work with the sausage.”'
1306497;1445629033;mircea_popescu;"Shocked, and also frightened for his safety due to the fact that Johnson is a �big girl,� the 140 pound security guard said he ran out until police arrived. When they did, female officers entered the restroom with Johnson still �putting in work with the sausage.�"
1306498;1445629038;mircea_popescu;makes sense in all the ways.
1306499;1445629190;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306325 << trilema is for instance making decent money on subscription model. this is not to be discounted. also, no press IN THE HISTORY of press has EVER made money. not ever. it didn't happen (yes there are exceptions, in particular, temporary, self limited nooks). this never stopped the press from being WORTH money, which it always was.
1306500;1445629190;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 17:58:38; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306139 << advertising has no future in a sane world. but has anyone invented even a hypothetical profit model for qntra that doesn't in some way involve it? i've been wondering this since the day q opened
1306501;1445629217;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306502;1445629224;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306330 << this is how you got shitty icecream and a swamp to live in. don't let me stop you.
1306503;1445629224;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:00:09; ascii_field: that'll be when i stop reading.
1306504;1445629239;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: '...this never stopped the press from being WORTH money, which it always was' << how does this work ?
1306505;1445629257;mircea_popescu;i don't explain 'em mr seinfeld, i just exterminate 'em.
1306506;1445629283;ascii_field;can't be explained? must take the correct lsd ?
1306507;1445629284;mircea_popescu;so far, gutting the pretense of "press" of the oposition, that DOES advertise, is good enough.
1306508;1445629295;*;ascii_field will have to remember to ask for this pill when next visiting mircea_popescu 
1306509;1445629311;ascii_field;'spreading - works!'
1306510;1445629327;mircea_popescu;how much money does the pet earn you ascii_field ? and what P/E do i need to pay to buy her ?
1306511;1445629338;ascii_field;this is not a bad question
1306512;1445629345;mircea_popescu;p/e works for some things.
1306513;1445629347;ascii_field;but it difficult to answer. how much money does my car earn ?
1306514;1445629352;mircea_popescu;well so there you go!
1306515;1445629369;*;ascii_field possibly gets it
1306516;1445629392;mircea_popescu;note however that this was not an explanation,
1306517;1445629405;ascii_field;but it was correct lsd.
1306518;1445629410;mircea_popescu;i just gave you some lsd (by permission) in the shape of serotonin or whatever you fired in your own brain.
1306519;1445629415;mircea_popescu;aha.
1306520;1445629418;ascii_field;aha. ty mircea_popescu
1306521;1445629425;*;ascii_field trips
1306522;1445629541;mircea_popescu;lol
1306523;1445629547;mircea_popescu;ascii fieldtrips
1306524;1445629565;pete_dushenski;to the zoo !
1306525;1445629580;ascii_field;'would you, could you, in the zoo' (tm) (r)
1306526;1445629680;pete_dushenski;'even educated fleas do it' (tm) (r)
1306527;1445629819;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306332 << and if you were to be against gpg, or against signed commits, or against "not everyone is/can be a contriobutor" or for "women in tech" in the sense of lipstick in the optic drive or a bunch of other equally nutty notionms, you could equally say "i don't think i am alone" and more importantly, FIND YOURSELF INCLINED TO SAY IT
1306528;1445629819;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:00:47; ascii_field: and i don't think i am alone among thinking people in this position on paywalls.
1306529;1445629830;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306338 << not really how news works, though the commentary pieces could be assembled as such, fetching perhaps $20 a copy with shipping
1306530;1445629830;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:01:39; punkman: qntra quarterly print issue?
1306531;1445629834;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares and when did you start giving a shit if you're alone or not. what's this nonsense!
1306532;1445629854;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i did say 'thinking people'
1306533;1445629860;mircea_popescu;you don't wanna go to the fuckfest because fucking is by its nature public, but you wanna be thinking in a herd because thinking by its nature is private ?
1306534;1445629877;ascii_field;how did we get to 'herd' ?
1306535;1445629877;mircea_popescu;you can paint the box whatever color you want. what do you think elen degeneres says, "degenerates" ?
1306536;1445629882;mircea_popescu;thinking people is the thing du jour.
1306537;1445629908;mircea_popescu;ascii_field whether you're alone or not should make no fucking difference. more importantly, it shouldn't be a point of consideration. why is it ?
1306538;1445629930;mircea_popescu;you're alone among thinking people thinking computing sucks. what now ? it doesn't suck ?
1306539;1445629958;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306368 << for 1000 words per, i'm sure he could.
1306540;1445629958;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:17:43; punkman: weekly qntra comic strip would be fun if BB can find an artist
1306541;1445629991;mircea_popescu;yeah pete_dushenski but i recall we briefly interviewing a moderately talented fellow in this very chan and he wanted a billion euros or some shit.
1306542;1445630018;pete_dushenski;but he's alone !
1306543;1445630030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46474 @ 0.00052488 = 24.3933 BTC [+]
1306544;1445630038;pete_dushenski;how about the chica who did your last xt-memorial comic ?
1306545;1445630072;pete_dushenski;she seemed capable
1306546;1445630074;mircea_popescu;she'd prolly go for it, but she'd still have to be paid, and so far qntra is not so keen to spend cash.
1306547;1445630094;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: the point i was trying to make was not that some 'silent majority' (tm) of thinking people dislike paywall and 'therefore paywalls suck', but that, if my hypothesis is true, it may pose a practical problem - how many of the folks in #b-a would have taken an interest in it if merely reading the logs had cost money ?
1306548;1445630096;pete_dushenski;thus my suggestion of 1000 words/shares per comic
1306549;1445630102;mircea_popescu;moreover she didn't want to / understand she has to make a gpg, and i dun wanna encourage the demuring damsels.
1306550;1445630109;pete_dushenski;picture is worth a thousand shares
1306551;1445630115;pete_dushenski;better than sm ever did
1306552;1445630126;mircea_popescu;ascii_field besides the point what you were tryingt to say. the important thing to notice is how your mental flow went. and it went to "i am not alone". why would it ?
1306553;1445630126;deedbot-;[Qntra] EU Court Rules Bitcoin Above VAT - http://qntra.net/2015/10/eu-court-rules-bitcoin-above-vat/
1306554;1445630128;*;trinque wonders wtf is killing that thing
1306555;1445630143;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i get that the phrase triggers your allergy.
1306556;1445630151;pete_dushenski;trinque e-mail headers
1306557;1445630151;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306028 << just the line breaks are really enough
1306558;1445630151;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 13:39:19; jurov: and on more serious note, I miss anything about paragraph formatting, guess <p> should be allowed or even endorsed, too.
1306559;1445630177;mircea_popescu;ascii_field not even about me. why would ~you~ argue it like that ?  you don't argue like that for anything else, certainly not anything else you know well / understand in depth.
1306560;1445630185;mod6;ascii_field: for lxr should jurov and I just put up the code to HEAD that includes through 'maxint' and 'verifyall' -- and we'll label it "HEAD" or "v0.5.4-TEST2"?  There isn't any actual reason to have two versions of code going up through each leaf is there?
1306561;1445630221;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: now that you say this, i'm not even sure i correctly apprehend the purpose of qntra.
1306562;1445630254;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the point i'm coming to is that it's, unlike something you/those thinking people have actually thought about, merely an aculturation. ie, "this is how we dress". and i know where it comes from too, and so forth. nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is.
1306563;1445630255;trinque;pete_dushenski: heh. some piece of inane, unnecessary complexity for sure. died during a netsplit so I assume he handles this rather poorly.
1306564;1445630293;trinque;the day rapidly approaches when I simply write my own IRC handling part, rather than using this golang bot
1306565;1445630319;ascii_field;mod6: see thread. i'd like to be able to link to known lines in known files of known vhash.
1306566;1445630323;trinque;got another deedbot- hacking weekend coming up; we'll see what I bite off
1306567;1445630341;mod6;ok will re-read.
1306568;1445630381;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i really was thinking 'qntra is a propaganda machine primarily for speaking to non-#b-a people.' ergo 'thinking folks other than myself dislike paywalls' is a relevant hypothesis
1306569;1445630393;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306343 <<< ftr i'm a great fan of jurov's sense of humour.
1306570;1445630393;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:03; jurov: mugs and tees!
1306571;1445630396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70000 @ 0.00052787 = 36.9509 BTC [+]
1306572;1445630405;ascii_field;so, not a brainfart, i really meant to say this. but it is possible that i catastrophically misunderstand the purpose of qntra.
1306573;1445630407;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306375 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306559
1306574;1445630407;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:20:02; *: ascii_field does not actually know enough on the subject to comment further
1306575;1445630407;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 19:56:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not even about me. why would ~you~ argue it like that ?  you don't argue like that for anything else, certainly not anything else you know well / understand in depth.
1306576;1445630419;ascii_field;that was re: webcomics
1306577;1445630422;ascii_field;and their economics
1306578;1445630423;mircea_popescu;ascii_field and yet, as much they dislike paywalls, they love paying for ipads.
1306579;1445630425;pete_dushenski;me thinks 'depth' is the operative word here
1306580;1445630432;mircea_popescu;"the people" will do what told and like it.
1306581;1445630457;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "successful" webcomics usually survive by selling their brand.
1306582;1445630459;ascii_field;so qntra targets 'the people', the ones who buy ipad ?!
1306583;1445630459;pete_dushenski;trinque cool beans !
1306584;1445630467;mircea_popescu;qntra doth not target.
1306585;1445630515;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller successful webcomics also aren't usually attached to behemoths set on destroying the entire world. note that qntra is NEVER going to be successful, because it's not here to obtain praise from daddy.
1306586;1445630518;mircea_popescu;it's here to rape mommy.
1306587;1445630542;ascii_field;so then it doesn't need a profit model in the usual sense?
1306588;1445630549;ascii_field;(any more than therealbitcoin does)
1306589;1445630554;mircea_popescu;it's not clear what the sense is.
1306590;1445630568;mircea_popescu;it is really too soon to tell.
1306591;1445630572;ascii_field;in the sense of somebody-pays-and-it-goes-to-shareholders
1306592;1445630578;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: from this standpoint this Qntra is more like a media conglemorate than a simple new agency.
1306593;1445630580;mircea_popescu;pays what ?
1306594;1445630581;thestringpuller;news*
1306595;1445630590;ascii_field;pays btc?
1306596;1445630597;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well, it's all the media of the new republic.
1306597;1445630614;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i suspect the very notion of PAYMENT is going to be destroyed by btc. let me illustrate what i mean.
1306598;1445630623;*;ascii_field ears stand up
1306599;1445630627;mircea_popescu;suppose you desire the use of a streetwalker for half an hour.
1306600;1445630640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00052247 = 10.6845 BTC [-] {3} 
1306601;1445630642;mircea_popescu;this is usually a transaction between you and her holder, involving one or more crumpled up pieces of paper.
1306602;1445630649;mircea_popescu;you "bought". you two transacted. etc.
1306603;1445630678;mircea_popescu;suppose instead the streetwalker is a bank in distress, and you decide to prop it up. you don't do jack, all you do is SAY you're going to do it.
1306604;1445630685;mircea_popescu;govt comes out announcing it's "commitment" to so and so.
1306605;1445630705;mircea_popescu;the financial notion of monetary commitment is DIFFERENT from the grocery notion of monetary commitment.
1306606;1445630741;ascii_field;as in the story with 'what does mircea_popescu's flat cost' ?
1306607;1445630752;mircea_popescu;certainly ties into that.
1306608;1445630773;ascii_field;but how does this destroy the grocery notion of payment ?
1306609;1445630774;mircea_popescu;what does the queen's mineral water cost ? "it would be an honor if you drank our water!"
1306610;1445630778;mircea_popescu;what's the cup cost the two girls ?
1306611;1445630782;mircea_popescu;shut up and drink it.
1306612;1445630782;mircea_popescu;etc.
1306613;1445630793;mircea_popescu;it doesn't destroy the GROCERY notion of payment,.
1306614;1445630817;mircea_popescu;it destroys the "notion of payment" = all payments are grocery, bitcoin should be visa, all peopel are equal and mp should be nicer to fucktard x.
1306615;1445630833;*;ascii_field begins to grasp.
1306616;1445630843;mircea_popescu;the path of grasp is a long and arduous one.
1306617;1445630846;ascii_field;so basically qntra is искра.
1306618;1445630852;mircea_popescu;it requires a mind bereft of bias, which is rare.
1306619;1445630894;*;pete_dushenski translates искра as 'spark'
1306620;1445630909;ascii_field;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Erstausgabe-Iskra.jpg
1306621;1445630910;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i1nOQI )
1306622;1445630912;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: well, it's all the media of the new republic. << This was my point. The 'intellectual property' or whatever you want to call it spawning from qntra is the value. For instance a movie or book, or some other form of media published under qntra. I see royalties in the future perhaps?
1306623;1445630937;pete_dushenski;ascii_field aha
1306624;1445630988;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i dun see a future for royalties :D
1306625;1445630992;ascii_field;http://www.agitclub.ru/center/comm/fot1/redakc500.gif
1306626;1445630993;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i1o1U5 )
1306627;1445631038;thestringpuller;i guess royalty is bad word. qntra publishes something, people buy what's published, qntra receives revenue for as long as that thing is "in print"
1306628;1445631079;mircea_popescu;where is that great ballas line
1306629;1445631269;mircea_popescu;anyway, he explained somewhere that ads aren't designed to sell the avertised product, but the SYSTEM that produces the product in question.
1306630;1445631311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00051873 = 46.9451 BTC [-] {3} 
1306631;1445631389;mircea_popescu;""The evidence we have from these academic studies is that quite often [soap opera viewers in developing countries] take away different attitudes toward things like how many children they want, what is acceptable behavior for a husband toward his wife, what is the breakdown in a household of responsibilities over things like finances, should we be sending girls to school," says Charles Kenny, an economist at the World
1306632;1445631389;mircea_popescu;Bank."
1306633;1445631393;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1306634;1445631394;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/05/china_needs_fewer_tvs_or_a_bil_1.html
1306635;1445631395;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: China Needs Fewer TVs, Or A Billion Of Them ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYrK3d )
1306636;1445631396;mircea_popescu;works just as good.
1306637;1445631422;ascii_field;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3pofdv/consensys_absorbing_whats_left_of_ethereum (from qntra commentz) << lulzy. yet again a new usg shill corp. to handle shitcoinatronics
1306638;1445631424;assbot;Consensys absorbing what's left of Ethereum? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYrOjl )
1306639;1445631456;mircea_popescu;but yes : do you think sumner rothstein gives a flying fuck that his car producing subsidiary paid his tv producing subsidiary a billion in advertising with no roi, when the result of this expense is that china now THINKS the truth about china is on viacom released movies and argentines think citibank is a thing that may exist in buenos aires ?
1306640;1445631493;mircea_popescu;this is what has to be uprooted, fucking WHO making studies about the impact of inequality ?
1306641;1445631516;mircea_popescu;fuyck that shit. the world women's organisation is gonna publish studies about the CAUSAL relationship between domestic beatings and happiness.
1306642;1445631526;mircea_popescu;i'm not a bit player.
1306643;1445631576;mircea_popescu;ascii_field apparently they can't afford to lose 150 BTC THIS BAD. thinkaboutit.
1306644;1445631609;*;ascii_field has not kept up with the events
1306645;1445631651;mircea_popescu;it went to all shit (15 iirc last, 50% over the cutoff of the bitbet), only to get a dead cat's jump yest.
1306646;1445631700;ascii_field;but is it coin they wish to avoid losing ? or 'intangibles' ?
1306647;1445631736;mircea_popescu;https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ <<
1306648;1445631737;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.95 B (35%) on Yes, 135.57 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 55`571 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
1306649;1445631743;mircea_popescu;usg can not afford a hundred btc loss
1306650;1445631752;mircea_popescu;understandably, it's not clear the us fed is worth that much atm,
1306651;1445631755;ascii_field;as i understand, the ethereum thing was not purely a classical scam, but has abstract/usgtronic political aims
1306652;1445631789;mircea_popescu;yes. and it ended up negative roi for 'em with very little effort.
1306653;1445631812;ascii_field;what's the roi of this week's 'minuteman' rocket test ?
1306654;1445631823;ascii_field;afaik usg does not even think in these terms
1306655;1445631889;mircea_popescu;the longer it keeps at it the better.
1306656;1445632015;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306344 << i'm aware of no sane paywall implementation (which is to say, other than my own) which violates this.
1306657;1445632015;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:04; ascii_field: because a thing like qntra works at least partly by being linkable
1306658;1445632045;ascii_field;mircea_popescu's www is linkable
1306659;1445632054;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306346 << the only reason it is "profitable", i suspect, is because a shy socially inept guy like the author couldn't pay enough in okcupid fees to ever get laid, otherwise.
1306660;1445632054;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:33; thestringpuller: jurov: this is good point. XKCD is profitable because of it's merch store
1306661;1445632136;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306358 << a desire to separate man from his money is not separable from a nude statement that the man in question is an imbecile.
1306662;1445632136;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 18:11:38; ascii_field: whereas ~thinking~ btc folks are not easily separable from their btc.
1306663;1445632165;ascii_field;how's that?
1306664;1445632173;ascii_field;or is this only if phrased as such
1306665;1445632381;mircea_popescu;compare b-a and random scammer circle, "dollar vigilante" thing or the keiser radio show (hey, check it out, "Auroracoin is a cryptocurrency launched in February 2014 as an Icelandic alternative to bitcoin and the Icelandic kr�na. Its unknown creator or creators" < hard at work deleting the internet history of previous scams, as if THAT is how it works now)
1306666;1445632409;mircea_popescu;now, what the scammer wants is to collect the sort of people who are dumber than him, and separate them from their money.
1306667;1445632439;mircea_popescu;yes there is some value in money, for sure. but there is A LOT MORE value in a hundred gold pieces resting in a hundred pockets of men that made those pieces
1306668;1445632459;mircea_popescu;than there is in a satchel of a hundred gold pieces collected from the necks of a hundred dizzy cows in the field.
1306669;1445632487;mircea_popescu;what the derps are doing, roughly speaking, is "Becoming powerful" out of robbing monkeys of their rifles.
1306670;1445632494;mircea_popescu;yes, i agree, monkey has no business with a rifle.
1306671;1445632512;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... a pile of rifles doth not give you even the beginning of force. it's just scrap metal.
1306672;1445632531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00052787 = 10.9005 BTC [+]
1306673;1445632584;pete_dushenski;http://news.unchealthcare.org/uncchildrens/news/K2C-clinic-rename
1306674;1445632585;assbot;Krispy Kreme Challenge announces renaming of UNC Children’s clinic — News Room - UNC Health Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYtwBr )
1306675;1445632604;pete_dushenski;"Krispy Kreme Challenge Children’s Specialty Clinic"
1306676;1445632625;pete_dushenski;they have 'rexall arena' and 'roger's centre', why not hospital ?
1306677;1445633202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57486 @ 0.00051836 = 29.7984 BTC [-] {2} 
1306678;1445633238;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1306679;1445633263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4714 @ 0.00051657 = 2.4351 BTC [-]
1306680;1445633385;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306232 << Price of getting in bed with BitPay, you follow their business tactics nao
1306681;1445633385;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 16:52:15; pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/22/espn-layoffs-will-gut-the-networks-production-staff/ << o hey traditional media is thriving donchaknow
1306682;1445633425;pete_dushenski;or the other way around.
1306683;1445633445;pete_dushenski;bitpay, being the naive upstart, thought to itself 'hey if it works for espn it'll work for us'
1306684;1445633451;pete_dushenski;except it doesn't work for espn...
1306685;1445633574;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski espn was never a start-up. it was rassmunsen backed by getty.
1306686;1445633597;mircea_popescu;also, they shed what, 5% ? sport is going to shit everywhere, the world is sick of it.
1306687;1445633600;pete_dushenski;like getty museum in la getty
1306688;1445633604;mircea_popescu;moor boobs less sweat.
1306689;1445633646;pete_dushenski;http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/ ?
1306690;1445633647;assbot;Collection (Getty Museum) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYv2TZ )
1306691;1445633788;mircea_popescu;;;google getty oil
1306692;1445633789;gribble;Getty Oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_Oil>; GETTY OIL: <http://www.gettyoil.com/>; The Getty Oil Takeover Fiasco - Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-theory/09/getty-oil-takeover-fiasco.asp>
1306693;1445633844;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306465 << They rebranded the Executive board as a parent company
1306694;1445633844;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 19:26:43; mircea_popescu: why the fuck does google even have an "alphabet" parent, since we're discussing these things ? doth qntra know?
1306695;1445633865;mircea_popescu;just like that ? bored one day ?
1306696;1445634540;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu same paul j. bbiab.
1306697;1445634942;BingoBoingo;Just like that bored on day, and tired of people bitching about stuff they did other than web advertising, so that is now Google and Alphabet is google, their med shit, and their killer robot dreams
1306698;1445634975;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> pete_dushenski espn was never a start-up. it was rassmunsen backed by getty. << As far as I can remember all Disney
1306699;1445635227;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1306700;1445636314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00053364 = 15.2087 BTC [+] {2} 
1306701;1445636466;BingoBoingo;Updated http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/10/22/qntra-style-and-draft-content-guide/
1306702;1445636468;assbot;Qntra Style and Draft Content Guide | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZnOlz )
1306703;1445636557;BingoBoingo;Learning so much about Qntra from the sleeping logs.
1306704;1445636837;BingoBoingo;Learning so much about Qntra from the sleep logs
1306705;1445637408;ben_vulpes;https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/fa5ded3d8e9139881656/raw/4b3f478538be8090a36fbbff52bb60600b1d8ae8/draft-yolo-tls-server-code-exec-00.txt
1306706;1445637409;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZoLu9 )
1306707;1445637428;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/#comment-115701
1306708;1445637429;assbot;Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZoJTf )
1306709;1445637482;BingoBoingo;" Historically arbitrary code execution has been a TLS feature." << lol ben_vulpes
1306710;1445638974;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/pydio/pydio-core/pull/972
1306711;1445638976;assbot;Remove plugin `meta.mount` by Xe · Pull Request #972 · pydio/pydio-core · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZr6VY )
1306712;1445639038;*;BingoBoingo has no idea how qntra would try to incentivise comics.
1306713;1445639546;BingoBoingo;But yes, at the moment Qntra's goal is better writing from more people
1306714;1445639669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00053482 = 6.6318 BTC [+] {2} 
1306715;1445639974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00053308 = 15.7259 BTC [-]
1306716;1445640523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96900 @ 0.00053926 = 52.2543 BTC [+] {4} 
1306717;1445640694;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1306718;1445640701;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.42, vol: 26058.12166691 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 270.858, vol: 6382.6092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 277.86, vol: 15874.74129269 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 284.0, vol: 0.086 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 281.5092, vol: 36807.26730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 275.6761, vol: 91.58052666 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.86915, vol: 85.45675649 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1306719;1445640702;BingoBoingo;;;more
1306720;1445640702;gribble;278.76796211
1306721;1445640710;BingoBoingo;That variance
1306722;1445641047;pete_dushenski;;;bc,stats
1306723;1445641051;gribble;Current Blocks: 380247 | Current Difficulty: 6.088382548009828E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 381023 | Next Difficulty In: 776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1306724;1445641080;*;pete_dushenski wonders how the 'percent change' function died so horrible a death
1306725;1445641209;BingoBoingo;maybe just big numbers
1306726;1445641712;BingoBoingo;;;later tell Peter_L ty for that submission.
1306727;1445641713;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1306728;1445641738;BingoBoingo;^Does this mean actually having submission guidelines now is increasing submitter confidence?
1306729;1445641804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00053134 = 31.2428 BTC [-] {2} 
1306730;1445641834;mircea_popescu;usually how that works.
1306731;1445643136;pete_dushenski;aaaand i'm off. contravex incoming. enjoy your weekend, all !
1306732;1445643146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00052922 = 7.118 BTC [-]
1306733;1445643211;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The reason fathers hope for sons is because they’re too dumb to handle daughters. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/the-reason-fathers-hope-for-sons-is-because-theyre-too-dumb-to-handle-daughters/
1306734;1445643573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97091 @ 0.00053081 = 51.5369 BTC [+] {2} 
1306735;1445644560;mircea_popescu;"Just a piece of advice.  If you are ever arrested, make sure to ask for a jury.  As for two juries.  If your lawyer says the words "bench" and "trial" at any point in the same paragraph, flee to Argentina.  Those 12 idiots, imperfect as they are, are one of the only things protecting you from a top down, hierarchical, classist, flow chart wielding government clusterfuck that has no time, interest, or money to deal wit
1306736;1445644560;mircea_popescu;h people as individuals, so it deals with them as groups, types, diagnoses and organ banks."
1306737;1445644563;mircea_popescu;heh
1306738;1445644582;mircea_popescu;"stereotypes are wrong mkay, unless the government's doing it."
1306739;1445645463;mircea_popescu;"total drug sales climbed to $300B (more spending on drugs)."
1306740;1445645480;mircea_popescu;in 2009, the 300mn strong us spent 300 bn on PSYCH MEDS.
1306741;1445645488;mircea_popescu;ie, an honest living, EACH
1306742;1445647294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00052669 = 39.9231 BTC [-]
1306743;1445647300;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306726 << No underscore :)
1306744;1445647300;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 23:08:32; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Peter_L ty for that submission.
1306745;1445647366;PeterL;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306728 << having the guidelines is nice
1306746;1445647366;assbot;Logged on 23-10-2015 23:08:58; BingoBoingo: ^Does this mean actually having submission guidelines now is increasing submitter confidence?
1306747;1445647425;PeterL;On a possibly unrelated note, I am back to being unemployed again
1306748;1445647548;PeterL;The last position I took was a "temp-to-hire", I thought the hire part would come with a significant pay increase, it didn't so I walked away
1306749;1445650344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00052586 = 33.7076 BTC [-]
1306750;1445650504;mircea_popescu;why not ask upfront lol
1306751;1445651442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00052586 = 13.9505 BTC [-]
1306752;1445653314;deedbot-;[Trilema] The peak of insanity. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-peak-of-insanity/
1306753;1445653375;mircea_popescu;i gotta spam this.
1306754;1445653387;mircea_popescu;"Why didn't you publish this post earlier, when the story first came out????"
1306755;1445653387;mircea_popescu;You mean because the further away we get from the hot news cycle, the less you're interested in the truth? And so apathy allows it to stand as true, because it all seems plausible (face validity, bitches.)  That's social science for you. But the answer to your question is simple: I don't get paid to criticize studies.   I have a job and a life and an alcohol problem that doesn't leave much room for blog posts.
1306756;1445653387;mircea_popescu;If you don't like something going on in politics, there are ways to voice that.  But looking deep into a "scientific" concept requires a level of sophistication which, if you possess it, means you're probably busy with a day job.  So you have neither the time nor energy to dissect articles in Pediatrics-- and, anyway, no forum.  I, at least have a semi-popular blog;  but even so I'm subject to the same time and monetar
1306757;1445653391;mircea_popescu;y constraints.  If I need money for rum, do I spend an extra hour at work, or write a post?
1306758;1445653394;mircea_popescu;Had it not been for the little money I do get from this blog, maybe I would not have written this post at all, because... why bother?  And so all you are left with is their dogma.  Search the internet, the Letters To The Editor.  Anyone else saying what I just said in this post?  You may not agree with my post, but you are nevertheless better for having read and considered it. I'm not saying I'm the only one who though
1306759;1445653398;mircea_popescu;t it; I'm saying that those who thought it, or could have thought it, are busy with other things, and the people who should have thought of it physically can't.
1306760;1445653401;mircea_popescu;What do you think would happen if the NIMH paid astrophysicists to look into psychiatry? Ain't never gonna find out, they have their own problems.  Specialization doesn't mean I'm the best, it means stay off my lawn. Since I/us/astrophysicists don't have the resources to publish at all/as fast as Pediatrics or CNN, they get to decide what's true.
1306761;1445653406;mircea_popescu;
1306762;1445653408;mircea_popescu;The people who get paid to look at ADHD are all unanimously on the same side, that's what conveys the illusion of objectivity.  Pretending to be divided pro- or anti-Pharma, or "dopamine hypothesis" vs. "noradrenergic hypothesis" makes it look like there's a lot of vigorous debate, but debating what color is a ki-ran just means ki-rans are real.
1306763;1445653415;mircea_popescu;Please don't misunderstand me, I am not blogging for money.  I'm showing you that so much of what you think you know, what you think is fact, is established not by the force of evidence but by the absence of resources for the opposition.   The ones with the money are all unanimously in agreement.
1306764;1445653419;mircea_popescu;So yes, I would have liked to have posted day one; but I would have liked it better if someone else on the inside said, "umm, wait a minute?  Really?  We're going to CNN with this?"
1306765;1445653422;mircea_popescu;so much word.
1306766;1445653699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28686 @ 0.00051657 = 14.8183 BTC [-]
1306767;1445654327;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306752 << seems like a very basic thing: the 'hersheyization' of sex ('everybody gets a wife') inevitably leads to 'If you think it looks stupid when a 40 year old man buys a convertible or has to go find himself or chases a 20 year old intern' and a caste of priests tasked with convincing chumps that ~this~ is - somehow - sanity.
1306768;1445654327;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2015 02:21:54; deedbot-: [Trilema] The peak of insanity. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-peak-of-insanity/
1306769;1445654337;asciilifeform;and hard to imagine that tlp did not realize this.
1306770;1445654354;mircea_popescu;interestingly, the focus of hate for ballas seems to be this Nassir Ghaemi douche. i put him on the list, expecting who knows what wizened old ass.
1306771;1445654357;asciilifeform;but he's a heretical priest, not an atheistical one
1306772;1445654359;mircea_popescu;mnope. turns out... another bharara
1306773;1445654363;mircea_popescu;Born in Tehran, Iran, he immigrated to the US at the age of 5 with his family and was raised in McLean, Virginia by his father Kamal Ghaemi MD, a neurosurgeon and neurologist, and his mother Guity Kamali Ghaemi, an art historian. A graduate of McLean High School (1984), he received a BA in history from George Mason University (Fairfax, Virginia, 1986).
1306774;1445654389;mircea_popescu;http://www.nassirghaemi.com/images/Nassir-210.jpg >> looks the job, too, and put so much effort into self-promotion you think he's the next martha stewart.
1306775;1445654390;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xpghv6 )
1306776;1445654411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he is huh.
1306777;1445654420;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit.
1306778;1445654425;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1306779;1445654466;mircea_popescu;but i imagine he did somehow not realise this.
1306780;1445654466;asciilifeform;nobody quite cancelled christianity. because this, this particular thing, is a very christian one.
1306781;1445654477;mircea_popescu;it is the only christian one.
1306782;1445654482;mircea_popescu;everythiong else is imported chinese bags.
1306783;1445654482;asciilifeform;dar al-islam does not have this particular problem.
1306784;1445654502;asciilifeform;(has others, which appear when you pull this jumper off. but not this one)
1306785;1445654567;mircea_popescu;it is , to me, a very curious thing, this.
1306786;1445654570;asciilifeform;but the basic job of the priest is much the same everywhere - to convince his patients that the things they cannot have, they do not want, and 'no sane person would want'
1306787;1445654608;mircea_popescu;i come from a land where intelligence is luxury, and i gaze upon this land where intelligence is merely alternative boring in amazement.
1306788;1445654635;asciilifeform;luxury ?
1306789;1445654656;mircea_popescu;yes.
1306790;1445654662;asciilifeform;but how
1306791;1445654667;mircea_popescu;just so!
1306792;1445654694;mircea_popescu;"you have to come to school every day!" but but mircea hasn't showed up this month!" "i am affraid of him."
1306793;1445654715;asciilifeform;l0l
1306794;1445654719;asciilifeform;http://xkcd.com/1594 << not entirely unrelated.
1306795;1445654720;assbot;xkcd: Human Subjects ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xpgxuc )
1306796;1445654725;mircea_popescu;not "oh, you finished the work, now do this stgupid shit" like us
1306797;1445654842;asciilifeform;this - yes.
1306798;1445655250;mircea_popescu;see, equality of chance, not of result.
1306799;1445655258;mircea_popescu;in my world, all kids are equal : gotta do this much work.
1306800;1445655273;mircea_popescu;in the nazi us, all kids have to have the same result : spend 50 minutes fucking with x.
1306801;1445655294;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit.
1306802;1445655618;mircea_popescu;If you gave Aristotle ten thousand unplugged computers of different makes and models, no matter how systematically he analyzed them he'd not only be wrong, he'd be misleadingly wrong.  He would find that they were related by shape-- rectangles/squares; by color-- black, white, or tan.   Size/weight; material.
1306803;1445655618;mircea_popescu;Aristotle was smart, but there is nothing he could ever learn about computers from his investigations.  His science is all wrong for what he was doing.   But Aristotle would think he knew a terrible amount about computers from his studies.  In fact, he'd probably be considered an expert.  "To fix this computer, we need to make it more rectangular.  Get chopping, malaka."
1306804;1445655621;mircea_popescu;wbahgahahja omfg.
1306805;1445655626;mircea_popescu;for the record, i do this regularly.
1306806;1445655639;mircea_popescu;so does any half-ass decent teacher. give a kid a pile of unplugged computers, pick the best one.
1306807;1445655647;mircea_popescu;then beat them for picking a fucking pentium.
1306808;1445655651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7717 @ 0.00051625 = 3.9839 BTC [-]
1306809;1445655655;mircea_popescu;mock them, hurtfully. "what, you think it's 1999 ?"
1306810;1445655712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00052586 = 45.1977 BTC [+]
1306811;1445659799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00051582 = 24.8109 BTC [-] {2} 
1306812;1445661446;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00051582 = 21.9224 BTC [-]
1306813;1445661507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00051493 = 7.5437 BTC [-] {2} 
1306814;1445665838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67000 @ 0.00051809 = 34.712 BTC [+] {2} 
1306815;1445666387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34306 @ 0.00051655 = 17.7208 BTC [-]
1306816;1445667241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00051655 = 14.1018 BTC [-]
1306817;1445669620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32409 @ 0.00051655 = 16.7409 BTC [-]
1306818;1445671450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16111 @ 0.00052586 = 8.4721 BTC [+]
1306819;1445676330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59943 @ 0.00052658 = 31.5648 BTC [+] {3} 
1306820;1445677672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00052097 = 18.6768 BTC [-]
1306821;1445680366;adlai;deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
1306822;1445680367;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a )
1306823;1445680368;deedbot-;accepted: 1
1306824;1445680600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00051988 = 9.4618 BTC [-]
1306825;1445681454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56767 @ 0.00051655 = 29.323 BTC [-] {2} 
1306826;1445682796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00051988 = 21.3151 BTC [+]
1306827;1445682857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00052219 = 11.1226 BTC [+]
1306828;1445683667;punkman;https://blog.fuzzing-project.org/25-Heap-overflow-and-endless-loop-in-exfatfsck-exfat-utils.html
1306829;1445683668;assbot;Heap overflow and endless loop in exfatfsck / exfat-utils | The Fuzzing Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0mRcH )
1306830;1445684251;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=628eVJgHD6I
1306831;1445684252;assbot;Wittgenstein: This is a very pleasant pineapple - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0nDXi )
1306832;1445684260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71300 @ 0.00052594 = 37.4995 BTC [+] {3} 
1306833;1445684463;punkman;http://people.umass.edu/phil335-klement-2/tlp/tlp.html the other tlp
1306834;1445684465;assbot;Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus ... ( http://bit.ly/204pj2U )
1306835;1445685541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00053206 = 12.7162 BTC [+] {2} 
1306836;1445687615;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.0005203 = 39.1786 BTC [-] {2} 
1306837;1445692595;mircea_popescu;punkman i always wondered if he actually deliberately chose his nick that way
1306838;1445692658;mircea_popescu;and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/
1306839;1445692659;assbot;A New Material Promises NSA-Proof Wallpaper - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mh0OLO )
1306840;1445692685;mircea_popescu;by now the stupid "reporting" thing is so much a kabuki of its own you can often separate it from the actual event it parasitizes
1306841;1445692707;mircea_popescu;sort of like once shit dries enough, you can just pick it out of the hair of the African in question, leaving behind "clean" hair.
1306842;1445693838;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a4a7cef8f528ddbaf0c3255c16d89d1/tumblr_no67etsB3p1rzzxego1_500.jpg
1306843;1445693838;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H106uF )
1306844;1445695184;mircea_popescu;and from the word! department :
1306845;1445695188;mircea_popescu;"The question that they are answering isn't "does environment matter more than genetics?"  It's a more subtle, sneaky, social-policy questionr: "since we now know that genetics isn't as deterministic as we hoped, is there something else that we can focus on which is  equally out of our control?  What about the goings-on in utero?   So that the environment factors matter only at that time, not later?  Then we can safely
1306846;1445695188;mircea_popescu; say that behavior is "innate" and out of our control, while still leaving us the door to intervene in people's lives for their benefit."
1306847;1445695188;mircea_popescu;No one in the behavioral sciences discovers something, and then constructs policy recommendations.  "We learned that people are like this, so..."  It's the other way around.  The policies come first; the money is spent on the research that supports them. In questions about evolutionary psychology and behavior, the question they want to answer is always of the form, "how is it not the individual's fault, but we can medd
1306848;1445695193;mircea_popescu;le anyway?""
1306849;1445695950;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/are_certain_behaviors--_and_jo.html << excellent article altogether, should be mandatory hs reading.
1306850;1445695952;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Are Certain Behaviors-- And Jobs-- More Masculine?  And Out Of Our Control? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H13MfJ )
1306851;1445697131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40560 @ 0.00052262 = 21.1975 BTC [+] {3} 
1306852;1445698054;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306838 <<<>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-12-2014#951694
1306853;1445698054;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2015 13:17:38; mircea_popescu: and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/
1306854;1445698054;assbot;Logged on 12-12-2014 00:01:28; asciilifeform: emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp)
1306855;1445698084;mircea_popescu;heh.
1306856;1445698107;mircea_popescu;that said, grounded wallpaper would go a long way.
1306857;1445698133;asciilifeform;but doesn't have to be made of unobtainium-shitanium alloy.
1306858;1445698140;mircea_popescu;(ftr, grounded windows are cheap and easy to make, just put mesh in between the two layers of plastic)
1306859;1445698184;mircea_popescu;https://in.news.yahoo.com/unexpected-discovery-comet-contains-alcohol-182309427.html << FINALLY!
1306860;1445698186;assbot;In unexpected discovery, comet contains alcohol, sugar - Yahoo News India ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3uNbS )
1306861;1445698194;mircea_popescu;poate-i vodca! poate-i vin! poate-i pipi de rechin!
1306862;1445700916;punkman;mircea_popescu: or maybe that's how he chose the quote
1306863;1445701262;mircea_popescu;or that yah
1306864;1445701867;punkman;http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-October/026841.html
1306865;1445701868;assbot;[Cryptography] Other obvious issues being ignored? ... ( http://bit.ly/1S2F6dt )
1306866;1445701916;asciilifeform;punkman: it is in the logz
1306867;1445702038;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298738
1306868;1445702038;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 16:32:27; asciilifeform: 'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right.  THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified
1306869;1445702176;punkman;asciilifeform: I found this interesting "the STACK UB analyser found that UB code occurs in 40% of all Debian Wheezy packages (that use C)."
1306870;1445702224;asciilifeform;but the basic lesson, which is for some reason hidden behind a thick veil of shitsmoke, is that c is not built to be reasoned about mechanically, ergo relying on the compiler to save you from yourself is retarded.
1306871;1445702243;deedbot-;[Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
1306872;1445702282;asciilifeform;and the notion that it is somehow possible to program in 'strictly defined' c is a deliberate lie
1306873;1445702285;asciilifeform;it is not possible.
1306874;1445702299;asciilifeform;not for any proggy written outside of a primary school.
1306875;1445703108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306871 << re: cars in usa: yes, ~everyone~ is expected to drive. something, anything with wheels. even cripples - in most places here you just need one arm and one leg. there are special shops that customize the cars for this, i used to work next to one.
1306876;1445703108;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2015 15:57:23; deedbot-: [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
1306877;1445703141;asciilifeform;even bums will often 'drive' a motorized wheelchair thing (provided by usg, through some byzantine and ancient pension thing)
1306878;1445703269;asciilifeform;this sometimes leads to interesting contradictions. everywhere in usa there are strict laws against drunken driving, but if you go into a suburb you will notice pub after pub, each of them accessible ~strictly~ by car
1306879;1445703356;asciilifeform;(with very few exceptions, no 'respectable' person in a u.s. suburb ever sets foot inside of a bus)
1306880;1445704150;punkman;http://www.cbsnews.com/news/students-new-ride-after-dwi-arrest-a-barbie-jeep/
1306881;1445704151;assbot;Student's new ride after DWI arrest? A "Barbie Jeep" - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRjq0 )
1306882;1445704177;punkman;oh that's in the logs
1306883;1445705825;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1306884;1445707161;mircea_popescu;so apparently there's a hurricane headed for mexico that's well twice the size of katrina
1306885;1445707215;mod6;I've been to that place many times: Puerto Vallarta.
1306886;1445707252;mircea_popescu;aha
1306887;1445707290;mod6;nice town.  probably will take a long time to rebuild.  they had a hurricane that hit back in like 2002 or 2003 that hit them pretty hard, probably not nearly as bad as this though
1306888;1445707307;mircea_popescu;yeah looks monstrous.
1306889;1445707343;mod6;yeah, gigantic cloud mass.
1306890;1445707509;mircea_popescu;in random internet lulz, http://somethingsensitive.com/index.php?topic=581.0
1306891;1445707511;assbot;Goons Tell us Why Reddit is Bad, Describe SomethingAwful.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Vtt1 )
1306892;1445707542;asciilifeform;l0l launchpad mcquack
1306893;1445707553;asciilifeform;in-joke. character was based, by some accounts, on john mccain
1306894;1445707559;asciilifeform;(crashed every machine he climbed into)
1306895;1445707628;mircea_popescu;but those accounts only popped up once mccain was in the news, whereas the cartoon looks like silver age/HB
1306896;1445707663;asciilifeform;aha. but m's flying career was long over by the time launchpad appeared.
1306897;1445707676;asciilifeform;at any rate, legend.
1306898;1445707753;mircea_popescu;the fact that republicans have a knack for this is kinda strange. recall the bush record ? BOTH of them ?
1306899;1445707764;asciilifeform;aha
1306900;1445707772;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you ever saw hot shots, the base commander there is also a sort of mccain/mcduck
1306901;1445707776;asciilifeform;simple explanation
1306902;1445707787;asciilifeform;flying was (is?) considered a 'blueblood' thing
1306903;1445707825;asciilifeform;the only peculiar thing about being an admiral's son and another admiral's grandson is that you get to crash machine after machine
1306904;1445707838;asciilifeform;instead of 'flying the mahogany bomber' after the first one.
1306905;1445707936;mircea_popescu;i don't even see much of a problem with tha.t
1306906;1445707966;asciilifeform;no?
1306907;1445708002;asciilifeform;how about the idiot brit officers with their purchased commissions, leading 'charges of the light brigade' one after another ?
1306908;1445708010;asciilifeform;eventually summed to zero
1306909;1445708055;mircea_popescu;how about the "i know you've won the war mr wellington, but what have you done for us lately???"
1306910;1445708060;mircea_popescu;also eventually sums to zero.
1306911;1445708127;mircea_popescu;in any case the reference is particularly weak - the officers in question ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE. ie, were there.
1306912;1445708187;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/17bOit3.gif << notbad.
1306913;1445708190;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Xjdx )
1306914;1445708537;mircea_popescu;apparently "biotruther" is a word, now. what libertards call people who know biology that's not been approved by the global warming committee
1306915;1445708554;asciilifeform;see also 'hatefact'
1306916;1445708643;mircea_popescu;is that irl or just meta ?
1306917;1445708655;asciilifeform;;;google hatefact
1306918;1445708656;gribble;10 Hatefacts for Those Who Hate Facts - Taki's Magazine: <http://takimag.com/article/10_hatefacts_for_those_who_hate_facts_gavin_mcinnes/print>; Alternative Right: FIVE HISTORICAL HATEFACTS: <http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2014/03/five-historical-hatefacts.html>; Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: #62. "Hate Facts": (1 more message)
1306919;1445708660;mircea_popescu;ie, do the idiots use it themselves or is it just a fuck me
1306920;1445708667;shinohai;Good afternoon, #bitcoin-assets. Anyone here care to make a recommendation for a replacement of my lappy that just died?
1306921;1445708688;asciilifeform;shinohai: plenty of unrecommendations
1306922;1445708690;shinohai;so I don't fuck up and buy a bad machine again
1306923;1445708698;asciilifeform;shinohai: THERE IS NO TOLERABLE LAPTOP
1306924;1445708713;*;asciilifeform spent many, many k-usd establishing this
1306925;1445708756;mircea_popescu;ibm thinkpad.
1306926;1445708772;mircea_popescu;2004 edition.
1306927;1445708782;shinohai;Me too. I bought two of these shiity Dell i3's last year. One died within 6 months, other died yesterday.
1306928;1445708782;*;asciilifeform had this very box
1306929;1445708803;asciilifeform;but i assumed that 1024x768 and a pen-800 is not shinohai's idea of usable.
1306930;1445708831;asciilifeform;the other thing is that batteries are not to be had for vintage lappy
1306931;1445708866;mircea_popescu;you kidding ? i bought dozens.
1306932;1445708882;shinohai;Buy old batteries, zap with welder. win.
1306933;1445708884;asciilifeform;and they hold a charge ?
1306934;1445708900;asciilifeform;these things sucked donkey balls when they were new..
1306935;1445708905;asciilifeform;(1-2 hrs.)
1306936;1445708926;mircea_popescu;~4.
1306937;1445708949;asciilifeform;4 in first month of life, and if screen is at 10%, and cpu is idle...
1306938;1445708957;shinohai;So if anyone needs good touchscreens, I got 'em lol.
1306939;1445708991;mircea_popescu;so buy 50
1306940;1445709000;mircea_popescu;and throw them in the regular garbage, too. teach the plebs a lesson.
1306941;1445709027;asciilifeform;li ion cells age on the shelf
1306942;1445709072;mircea_popescu;the chinese keep making them. seriously, the batteries i bought were so much younger than the laptop it'd have been pedophillia.
1306943;1445709088;mircea_popescu;luckily the battery goes into the laptop rather than the other way around os all good.
1306944;1445709146;asciilifeform;anyway requirements of 'laptop for mircea_popescu's missile launch codes' and for civilian use are not quite same.
1306945;1445709149;shinohai;I rather expected something to go wrong. The day I get my sdr in the mail, lappy takes a shit.
1306946;1445709225;asciilifeform;a year or so ago i chronicled (see logz!) my attempts to get a toshiba 'libretto 100ct' vintage ultraportable going with something like a reasonable unix
1306947;1445709267;asciilifeform;i had one when i was in school, and it worked great. but today - nope. because go and try to install freebsd 4.7 - where do you get the packages? gonna patch by hand ?
1306948;1445709271;asciilifeform;spend whole life ?
1306949;1445709315;asciilifeform;ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching
1306950;1445709332;asciilifeform;because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today
1306951;1445709340;shinohai;So finish your OS asciilifeform and save us from this package maintenance hell.
1306952;1445709347;asciilifeform;shinohai: i don't do x86 os.
1306953;1445709355;shinohai;:(
1306954;1445709396;asciilifeform;shinohai: do you know the story of the spittoon ?
1306955;1445709421;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rG1TxJt2
1306956;1445709422;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJyjqF )
1306957;1445709501;*;shinohai reads
1306958;1445710425;shinohai;well I daresay *that* was an interesting tale asciilifeform
1306959;1445710440;asciilifeform;shinohai: understand how it applies ?
1306960;1445710500;shinohai;I may need to mull it over moar ...
1306961;1445710736;shinohai;If I can avoid drinking the whole damned spitoon, I would try to avoid it.
1306962;1445710758;asciilifeform;shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon.
1306963;1445710797;asciilifeform;it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4
1306964;1445710807;*;shinohai was just busting asciilifeform's balls
1306965;1445712560;mircea_popescu;acrtually this laptop runs firefox, vlc etc
1306966;1445712596;asciilifeform;but does it ~build~ them
1306967;1445712598;asciilifeform;BUILD
1306968;1445712618;mircea_popescu;sure.
1306969;1445712621;mircea_popescu;dynamic, but sure.
1306970;1445712642;mircea_popescu;not that it has to, but for curiosity.
1306971;1445712647;mircea_popescu;takes a day.
1306972;1445712708;asciilifeform;i was actually not speaking of laptops, but explaining to shinohai that 'make a usable system from scratch with no modern code' is a spittoon
1306973;1445712743;mircea_popescu;not like it's useful anyway, the difference between "run this binary" and "build" is absent in thos context
1306974;1445712760;asciilifeform;as for firefox, it is barely usable (much less buildable) on my desktop iron
1306975;1445712772;asciilifeform;so i can't fathom what kind of masochist would run it on an old pen
1306976;1445712787;mircea_popescu;but it's firefox 16 or some shit. 11 ? i dont even recall.
1306977;1445712792;asciilifeform;(thing leaks perhaps a gb/hr)
1306978;1445712810;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk.
1306979;1445712822;asciilifeform;(every firefox until a few wks ago, known.)
1306980;1445712825;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1306981;1445712848;mircea_popescu;it's not a secure machine or anything, watch movies in bed off its 10gb hdd
1306982;1445712911;asciilifeform;aha
1306983;1445712924;asciilifeform;so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box.
1306984;1445712951;mircea_popescu;yes it does. a general purpose box is the next best thing
1306985;1445712956;mircea_popescu;after a general-gendered wife.
1306986;1445712981;asciilifeform;('general purpose' to be understood as a box on which one might, e.g., write code.)
1306987;1445713005;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever wrote a trilema article on it.
1306988;1445713018;*;mircea_popescu is very peculiar about kbds. laptop kbd no good.
1306989;1445713030;asciilifeform;and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
1306990;1445713049;mircea_popescu;strangely, yes, that one's fine.
1306991;1445713058;asciilifeform;did it even... have keys?
1306992;1445713061;mircea_popescu;nope.
1306993;1445713062;asciilifeform;looked mighty flat
1306994;1445713072;mircea_popescu;but i disover the problem with me actually is SIZE. as in, gotta be this long.
1306995;1445713107;asciilifeform;aha or where to put hands.
1306996;1445713134;mircea_popescu;ya that too. "oh you could put the laptop on a table" well fuck you then, i could jkuist use a kbd ?
1306997;1445713141;asciilifeform;a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet
1306998;1445713152;asciilifeform;perhaps where they have tentacles.
1306999;1445713152;mircea_popescu;Planet Kindergarten
1307000;1445713331;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/bc7db6cc510a0b6b1a6010fc419cb236/tumblr_nkhjav369P1taid38o1_400.gif
1307001;1445713332;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZIqG2 )
1307002;1445713438;asciilifeform;idk how mircea_popescu does it. typing on a kbd with no springs is like fucking a surface with no hole
1307003;1445713452;asciilifeform;yes, it is possible... but borders on redefinition
1307004;1445713481;mircea_popescu;i was corrupted by easy credit.
1307005;1445713489;asciilifeform;l0lwat
1307006;1445713553;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just, somehow, they dun bother me.
1307007;1445714083;*;asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead
1307008;1445714122;mircea_popescu;obsolete technologye.
1307009;1445714154;asciilifeform;99% of a typical build time on my box is just churning through dead mirrors.
1307010;1445714164;mircea_popescu;use deedbot ?
1307011;1445714176;asciilifeform;complicated. most aren't 100% dead
1307012;1445714183;asciilifeform;just missing essentials, selectively.
1307013;1445714192;asciilifeform;and not one is 100% healthy.
1307014;1445714195;asciilifeform;nor even 50.
1307015;1445714198;mircea_popescu;quite why.
1307016;1445714220;mircea_popescu;take the time sometime and make the mirror.
1307017;1445714243;asciilifeform;and get the tarballs where ?
1307018;1445714249;asciilifeform;time machine ?
1307019;1445714279;asciilifeform;i suppose one possible place would be my own disk...
1307020;1445714323;*;asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears
1307021;1445714435;asciilifeform;i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing
1307022;1445714445;asciilifeform;but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT
1307023;1445714501;asciilifeform;and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem
1307024;1445714529;asciilifeform;gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit
1307025;1445714568;asciilifeform;(namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic)
1307026;1445714714;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read.
1307027;1445714716;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZJvO5 )
1307028;1445714756;mircea_popescu;"so toxoplasmosis is basically a conspiracy against rat's best interests ?" "no. it's basically a selected accident. all the other accidents that didn't close the cycle didn't live to get a name."?
1307029;1445715065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70432 @ 0.00053239 = 37.4973 BTC [+] {3} 
1307030;1445715398;jurov;tangentially related, i have done the mistake of emerging pypy and enabling it systemwide
1307031;1445715440;jurov;since there is no gento pypy maintainer, it's running into dep problems
1307032;1445715546;jurov;more and more
1307033;1445715585;jurov;but have not noticed any mirror problems
1307034;1445715609;mircea_popescu;in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
1307035;1445717432;mats;morning qts
1307036;1445717454;ben_vulpes;wb mats
1307037;1445717472;mats;thx m8
1307038;1445717688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.00053834 = 10.7996 BTC [+] {3} 
1307039;1445718122;mircea_popescu;what's a qt ?
1307040;1445718136;mats;cutie.
1307041;1445718272;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1307042;1445718298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44282 @ 0.00054173 = 23.9889 BTC [+] {4} 
1307043;1445718470;mircea_popescu;in other news, finding http://33.media.tumblr.com/41f654aec95486dfcf3d548c496de998/tumblr_nqjcrdlQRa1r2svjro1_500.gif erotic
1307044;1445718471;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJRtwt )
1307045;1445718484;mircea_popescu;correlates with a high probability of being a dangerous pedophile.
1307046;1445718543;thestringpuller;that looks extremely difficult,.
1307047;1445718578;mircea_popescu;not if she's 9.
1307048;1445718606;thestringpuller;that girl doesn't look 9
1307049;1445718621;thestringpuller;(looks are deceptive etc)
1307050;1445718664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00054224 = 13.7729 BTC [+] {4} 
1307051;1445719263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/07/why_a_story_about_russian_spie_1.html << i lollered.
1307052;1445719265;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Why A Story About Russian Spies Who Use Facebook? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJSLaX )
1307053;1445719701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34097 @ 0.00054257 = 18.5 BTC [+] {2} 
1307054;1445721084;adlai;trinque: deedbot.org is not showing the latest deed
1307055;1445721098;adlai;(which had to be submitted twice)
1307056;1445721287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76100 @ 0.0005393 = 41.0407 BTC [-] {2} 
1307057;1445721688;trinque;adlai: might have to do with whenever the last block happened
1307058;1445721694;trinque;but I'll look at it
1307059;1445721815;trinque;adlai: I only see you subitting something once
1307060;1445721819;trinque;*submitting
1307061;1445721863;adlai;!s http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
1307062;1445721864;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a )
1307063;1445721866;assbot;2 results for 'http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdpaste.com%2F19HFTMB.txt
1307064;1445721958;trinque;right, when you say "had to be submitted twice" I expected that it didn't accept one of them
1307065;1445722096;adlai;first time, it didn't deed at all; second time got notarized in block 380163, but doesn't show up on deedbot.org
1307066;1445722238;trinque;btcd is barfing on the transaction for some reason
1307067;1445722246;trinque;adlai: I'll figure it out, ping ya when I do
1307068;1445722249;adlai;np
1307069;1445722336;adlai;deedbot put the hash in the blockchain, assbot put the content in the cloud, what more does a man need?
1307070;1445723117;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7717 @ 0.0005393 = 4.1618 BTC [-] {2} 
1307071;1445723171;mats;silk boxers
1307072;1445723705;trinque;adlai: he got ahead of himself and double-spent an output, then lost track of which output to use. I've fixed the db, and expect that he's back on track.
1307073;1445723807;trinque;today I'm actually working on his replacement, which when complete I will provide sources. I'm starting from the bottom (stay online, keep your nick, no seriously) so do not know when it will be complete.
1307074;1445723883;adlai;why not cannibalize existing works?
1307075;1445723888;trinque;because that's what led to this.
1307076;1445723893;trinque;I'm not doing it with duct tape this time
1307077;1445723958;adlai;well you must be using some 'bedrock'
1307078;1445723992;trinque;heh, if you have a proposal, make it!
1307079;1445724028;trinque;every bot I've used, someone highly recommended it, and then I end up having to hit the thing with a wrench to do what I'd expect should come with the definition of "IRC bot"
1307080;1445724112;adlai;cl-irc is good, it doesn't support sasl but you don't necessarily need that
1307081;1445724145;trinque;by good, do you mean it will detect when freenode thinks it has not connected, but it has in fact reconnected?
1307082;1445724162;trinque;and it will subsequently grab its nick back?
1307083;1445724208;adlai;no, but you'll have an easier time building that with the condition system than if you're using $blub
1307084;1445724271;trinque;yep, I am going to use CL
1307085;1445724282;trinque;I've only been farting around yet, so I'll see if I like cl-irc
1307086;1445724703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00054257 = 9.929 BTC [+] {2} 
1307087;1445727021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00054339 = 33.3098 BTC [+] {4} 
1307088;1445727632;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306989 << i figured it was his eulora machine seeing as how the photo included a list of base prices for items commonly traded
1307089;1445727632;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2015 18:57:10; asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
1307090;1445727956;kakobrekla;https://gcaptain.com/there-is-a-huge-backlog-of-ships-waiting-to-pass-through-the-panama-canal/ < increase the blocksize nao!!
1307091;1445727958;assbot;There Is a Huge Backlog of Ships Waiting to Pass Through the Panama Canal - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwjQu )
1307092;1445728350;ben_vulpes;http://www.spacebuckets.com/materials << rails. takes 2.9 seconds to serve...a hobby site.
1307093;1445728352;assbot;START YOUR JOURNEY | Space Buckets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwDPj )
1307094;1445728371;ben_vulpes;remind me to rhapsodize about 'turbo links' some day.
1307095;1445728388;asciilifeform;wawat
1307096;1445728468;ben_vulpes;eh, pipe to haus is slow. still, nearly a whole second from my aws instance.
1307097;1445728901;shinohai;https://loanbase.com/   <<< 3 points xD
1307098;1445728903;assbot;Loanbase: Bitcoin Lending Done Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rux641 )
1307099;1445728912;mircea_popescu;ahaha wut.
1307100;1445728948;mircea_popescu;nothing says "done right" more than spurious name parasitism. really.
1307101;1445728967;mircea_popescu;Mike - eyewear done right!
1307102;1445729001;mircea_popescu;Bouboutin, hats done right!
1307103;1445729023;mircea_popescu;Wenessy, breaks and shocks, done right!
1307104;1445729092;mircea_popescu;come to tyhink abo0ut it, one could open a whole fast food chain / pizzeria call it DeLay
1307105;1445729099;mircea_popescu;"It's not our fault - it's in the name!"
1307106;1445729142;asciilifeform;crunchy frog (tm) (r)
1307107;1445729173;mircea_popescu;Sandy Beaches Brothels.
1307108;1445729184;shinohai;lol @ crunchy frog
1307109;1445729258;shinohai;Am I an asshole if I go there and get a loan then default ?
1307110;1445729286;mircea_popescu;i would expect that is the default.
1307111;1445729297;mircea_popescu;Bankrupt ? It's not your fault, it's default!
1307112;1445729307;adlai;http://support.loanbase.com/hc/en-us/articles/202063482
1307113;1445729309;assbot;When the loan purpose is building reputation, is it possible to withdraw the funds? – LoanBase Help Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxrn6 )
1307114;1445729347;mircea_popescu;im not gonna click
1307115;1445729355;adlai;tl;dr "no"
1307116;1445729423;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/d4ace669ad744c1724c91318264797d0/tumblr_nt8hwwVTzu1tra78fo1_400.gif
1307117;1445729424;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxy26 )
1307118;1445729442;asciilifeform;wat
1307119;1445729470;*;asciilifeform didn't know mircea_popescu went in for... this
1307120;1445729482;mircea_popescu;in what ?
1307121;1445729546;asciilifeform;whatever this is called.
1307122;1445729567;mircea_popescu;loanbase ? trannyfucking ?
1307123;1445729584;asciilifeform;the latter.
1307124;1445729614;shinohai;There used to be a tranny pr0n site that accepted btc for subscriptions.
1307125;1445729626;shinohai;I blew 0.1 buying subs for people I hate.
1307126;1445729738;mircea_popescu;did it do anything ?
1307127;1445729761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't say i do, but what, it should be banished now ?
1307128;1445729817;asciilifeform;l0l
1307129;1445729827;mircea_popescu;"I've rarely met an ADHD kid who sleeps enough, and I've never met an ADHD adult or adolescent who does.  When a kid is sleep deprived, he gets hyper; they are too tired to be inhibited, too tired to exert self-control."
1307130;1445729832;mircea_popescu;this is actually a very interesting theory.
1307131;1445729842;shinohai;To each his/her own.
1307132;1445729952;trinque;adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end
1307133;1445729961;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today.
1307134;1445729963;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxXSb )
1307135;1445729965;trinque;this is the kind of shit that drives me crazy
1307136;1445729975;asciilifeform;the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE
1307137;1445729984;asciilifeform;(center, by the support column)
1307138;1445730009;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection
1307139;1445730010;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxZJI )
1307140;1445730164;asciilifeform;the white cables: 220v.
1307141;1445730283;*;mats doesn't see any spiders
1307142;1445730295;asciilifeform;on the wall.
1307143;1445730296;mats;nvm.
1307144;1445731031;mircea_popescu;!up Garmin
1307145;1445731075;mircea_popescu;but where doesw the cock go ?!
1307146;1445731116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you fucking nut.
1307147;1445731118;mircea_popescu;those are crickets.
1307148;1445731130;asciilifeform;but they don't crick..
1307149;1445731133;mircea_popescu;so ?
1307150;1445731139;asciilifeform;defective!
1307151;1445731219;mircea_popescu;"the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!"
1307152;1445732816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00054426 = 13.4704 BTC [+] {2} 
1307153;1445733249;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/nyt%20obama%20altered.jpg << bwahahaha
1307154;1445733250;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/205hBFJ )
1307155;1445733261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ check it out
1307156;1445733900;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b3
1307157;1445733939;mircea_popescu;o.O
1307158;1445733959;mircea_popescu;;;market
1307159;1445733960;gribble;Error: "market" is not a valid command.
1307160;1445733963;mircea_popescu;da fuck was it
1307161;1445733968;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1307162;1445733969;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.63, Best ask: 285.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 285.56, 24 hour volume: 15452.3532551, 24 hour low: 279.7, 24 hour high: 286.22, 24 hour vwap: None
1307163;1445733990;mircea_popescu;dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh.
1307164;1445734079;shinohai;Helping a friend in Brasil set up realbitcoin, trying to get him up to speed on gpg so he can come here.
1307165;1445734091;mircea_popescu;cool
1307166;1445734094;mircea_popescu;are you from brasil ?
1307167;1445734618;shinohai;I'm not, just a guy I have known since I started bitcoin a few years ago.
1307168;1445734724;mircea_popescu;a ok
1307169;1445735500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40621 @ 0.00054427 = 22.1088 BTC [+]
1307170;1445735927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17683 @ 0.0005393 = 9.5364 BTC [-] {2} 
1307171;1445737159;gabriel_laddel;!s Wouter Basson
1307172;1445737159;assbot;0 results for 'Wouter Basson' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wouter+Basson
1307173;1445737194;gabriel_laddel;!s Lothar Neethling
1307174;1445737195;assbot;0 results for 'Lothar Neethling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar+Neethling
1307175;1445737209;gabriel_laddel;!s Lothar's potion
1307176;1445737210;assbot;0 results for 'Lothar's potion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar%27s+potion
1307177;1445737334;mircea_popescu;"There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue."
1307178;1445737370;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups?
1307179;1445737402;gabriel_laddel;I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository.
1307180;1445737413;gabriel_laddel;wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable.
1307181;1445737459;mircea_popescu;the point is appearing to do a job.
1307182;1445737497;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: no. see thread.
1307183;1445737509;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i will be publishing my personal stash.
1307184;1445737604;mircea_popescu;q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ?
1307185;1445737615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what would this mean ?
1307186;1445737615;mircea_popescu;or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
1307187;1445737623;asciilifeform;it's a gigantic dir full of tar.gz
1307188;1445737638;mircea_popescu;that by doing [this thing to do] i now have _everything_.
1307189;1445737665;asciilifeform;it is not everything. merely everything asciilifeform's cockpit has.
1307190;1445737671;asciilifeform;at least such that was 'emerge'-d
1307191;1445737687;mircea_popescu;so "no using any videocards ascii never used" ?
1307192;1445737693;asciilifeform;nope.
1307193;1445737703;asciilifeform;however, this doesn't leave many
1307194;1445737720;asciilifeform;pretty sure i even had a 'tseng' at some point.
1307195;1445737724;mircea_popescu;so it technically is just another bad mirror ?
1307196;1445737726;asciilifeform;and a (pci!) 'hercules.'
1307197;1445737739;asciilifeform;'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine'
1307198;1445737744;mircea_popescu;right.
1307199;1445737746;asciilifeform;but it is guaranteed to add up to a civilized box.
1307200;1445737748;mircea_popescu;i don't mean to impugn, btw.
1307201;1445737760;mircea_popescu;just... this is a structural fucking problem.
1307202;1445737768;asciilifeform;that's sorta what i was trying to explain to shinohai.
1307203;1445737781;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess, coming at same from diff path
1307204;1445737924;mircea_popescu;"They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.]
1307205;1445737924;mircea_popescu;WRONGALONGADINGDONG.  They're not better educated, they just have more degrees.
1307206;1445737927;mircea_popescu;heh.
1307207;1445737941;mircea_popescu;one day i'll meet the usian who is better educated than people in the 50s.
1307208;1445737950;mircea_popescu;and it'll be a russian/irani/whatever.
1307209;1445737954;asciilifeform;pew?! what next, we quote v�lkischer beobachter ?
1307210;1445738009;asciilifeform;'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www)
1307211;1445738029;mircea_popescu;i am quoting tlp who quoted him!
1307212;1445738034;asciilifeform;ah!
1307213;1445738037;asciilifeform;l0l
1307214;1445738041;mircea_popescu;that makes it ok!
1307215;1445738043;mircea_popescu;lol.
1307216;1445738068;mircea_popescu;shit, i wrote that didn't i. pretty cool.
1307217;1445738106;gabriel_laddel;Does any commercial Lisp IDE have a fast autocomplete that works like "apropos at point" ie, across all packages?
1307218;1445738125;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide
1307219;1445738127;asciilifeform;lispworks
1307220;1445738140;asciilifeform;but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there.
1307221;1445738148;asciilifeform;but iirc it does have apropos.
1307222;1445738177;asciilifeform;if you must... grap the eval version from their www, see for yourself.
1307223;1445738771;mircea_popescu;http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b298dbb6a9a973d3f32d678cba08957/tumblr_ns4sg8CQ7T1uc86zfo1_500.gif << how about sporty chicks ?
1307224;1445738772;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO8Mf1 )
1307225;1445739332;mats;at least its not a tranny this time
1307226;1445739614;mircea_popescu;tough crowd eh
1307227;1445739643;mircea_popescu;fine, how about sluts in heels ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/277cea03b111a9664d3a3d2b7334ee24/tumblr_nspl9lFAKl1tvjjruo1_400.gif
1307228;1445739644;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9N6F )
1307229;1445739677;gabriel_laddel;How about a working linux?!
1307230;1445739679;gabriel_laddel;O wait
1307231;1445739680;asciilifeform;^
1307232;1445739741;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/NK8gdQd
1307233;1445739742;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9Say )
1307234;1445739751;gabriel_laddel;All that CLIM, all that desktop.
1307235;1445739789;mats;i miss summer already
1307236;1445739813;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: spiffy
1307237;1445739814;mats;laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice
1307238;1445739836;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: how laggy is it ?
1307239;1445739848;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: the debugger works too!
1307240;1445739854;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: not at all
1307241;1445739864;asciilifeform;the other thing is that i always fucking hated athena
1307242;1445739865;gabriel_laddel;If I get like 30 views in climacs, that slows
1307243;1445739867;asciilifeform;can't stand it
1307244;1445739891;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel sluts are way easier.
1307245;1445739908;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: athena?
1307246;1445739925;mircea_popescu;<mats> laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year.
1307247;1445739928;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came
1307248;1445739940;asciilifeform;the 'default ghastly gui of x11'
1307249;1445739953;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist.
1307250;1445739961;asciilifeform;afaik with clim it's athena or nothing.
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1307252;1445740047;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: nah, there is one other.
1307253;1445740052;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: pixie or something like that
1307254;1445740114;gabriel_laddel;(the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
1307255;1445740127;asciilifeform;so it's garbage.
1307256;1445740134;mats;mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in
1307257;1445740139;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy
1307258;1445740145;mircea_popescu;yeah, i lived there.
1307259;1445740148;gabriel_laddel;how to geometry
1307260;1445740162;mircea_popescu;brutal. practically sweden.
1307261;1445740182;mircea_popescu;pronounced snowed-in
1307262;1445740294;mats;hue.
1307263;1445740296;mircea_popescu;http://36.media.tumblr.com/c80020b1c225b7fc5d20c5d95f8e0128/tumblr_mlzz0fq9bd1s9ngl0o1_1280.jpg << this is known in french as "l'embarras du choix", which means "the shame of the cauliflower".
1307264;1445740298;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1POapcv )
1307265;1445740300;mircea_popescu;because the french are that weird.
1307266;1445740807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62767 @ 0.00053485 = 33.5709 BTC [-] {2} 
1307267;1445740815;gabriel_laddel;apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS.
1307268;1445740895;mats;i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query
1307269;1445740937;mats;and something known as a 'paramotor', which is kinda cool.
1307270;1445740967;gabriel_laddel;;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon
1307271;1445740969;gribble;Easy Up - Wake Up Aid - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TryEasyUp>; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: ZzzQuil Nighttime Sleep-Aid ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Zzzquil-Nighttime-Sleep-aid-Liquid-Warming/product-reviews/B007OSBYRY>; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: The Sleepeasy Solution: The ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Sleepeasy-Solution-Exhausted-Parents/product- (1 more message)
1307272;1445740988;gabriel_laddel;useless google
1307273;1445741018;mircea_popescu;!up btc
1307274;1445741026;mircea_popescu;srsly, that nick's not taken ?
1307275;1445741029;gabriel_laddel;http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Up%C2%AE-Wake-Up-Aid/dp/B0081UVHPI
1307276;1445741030;assbot;Amazon.com: Easy Up® Wake Up Aid - Take Tonight. Wake Up Easier & Alert Tomorrow Morning - 36 Night Supply: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4uH )
1307277;1445741042;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel why not just have some coffee ?
1307278;1445741042;btc;hi
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1307280;1445741053;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes.
1307281;1445741061;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating.
1307282;1445741067;mircea_popescu;...
1307283;1445741095;mircea_popescu;a) you should drink about a gallon of water a day ; b) if you don't like how much coffee you drink just make a point of drinking a little less each day for a while ?
1307284;1445741107;mircea_popescu;who're you btc ?
1307285;1445741140;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
1307286;1445741173;mircea_popescu;so make a point of paying attention for longer ?
1307287;1445741188;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I need it to think.
1307288;1445741204;gabriel_laddel;(IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it)
1307289;1445741208;mircea_popescu;yesyes.
1307290;1445741348;mircea_popescu;it is taken.
1307291;1445741413;gabriel_laddel;Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization?
1307292;1445741427;gabriel_laddel;If you do, I'd love to hear them.
1307293;1445741791;mats;modafinil is p great.
1307294;1445741800;gabriel_laddel;mats: doesn't work for me...
1307295;1445741822;gabriel_laddel;my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff
1307296;1445741874;mircea_popescu;honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while.
1307297;1445741891;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: you have that option.
1307298;1445741894;asciilifeform;^^
1307299;1445741905;asciilifeform;cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick
1307300;1445741925;gabriel_laddel;furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
1307301;1445741929;mircea_popescu;omg teh haet.
1307302;1445741934;gabriel_laddel;but I dislike being 'sober'.
1307303;1445741949;gabriel_laddel;or uncaffinated, or whatever you want to call it.
1307304;1445741957;gabriel_laddel;It's boring.
1307305;1445741967;mats;well, if you'd like to try non racemics, guess I'll shill mymodafinil.com and its armodafinil
1307306;1445741967;mircea_popescu;problem is - drunkedness is strictly for people who don't dislike being sober.
1307307;1445741990;mats;discount if invoice paid with buttcoins
1307308;1445742007;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: pardon?
1307309;1445742011;asciilifeform;mats: did you personally analyze it ?
1307310;1445742031;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel it's a paradoxical thing, what can i say.
1307311;1445742032;mats;whaddya mean? lab test?
1307312;1445742035;asciilifeform;yes
1307313;1445742041;asciilifeform;as in, wtf is actually in that spam pill.
1307314;1445742065;asciilifeform;last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.
1307315;1445742072;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
1307316;1445742073;mircea_popescu;this is probab le.
1307317;1445742091;danielpbarron;asciilifeform> cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick << or a Bible
1307318;1445742096;mats;no. but my understanding is that the operators buy the generics from indian rx mfgs and resell the stuff
1307319;1445742100;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel that not liking being sober is a very poor reason to be drunk. or whatever you call it.
1307320;1445742110;mats;well nao...
1307321;1445742149;mats;guess it's a good thing I've only consumed a few dozen of em
1307322;1445742153;asciilifeform;mats: recrystallize a few pills and find the melting point (it isn't hard.) you might be in for a surprise.
1307323;1445742168;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
1307324;1445742175;gabriel_laddel;I'm an addict, what can I say.
1307325;1445742181;mats;I know next to nothing about chemistry
1307326;1445742203;asciilifeform;mats: this experiment does not require a first class education in it.
1307327;1445742205;mats;what if there's filler besides the moda? etc.
1307328;1445742211;asciilifeform;hence you recrystallize
1307329;1445742221;asciilifeform;(find what the active substance dissolves in which the fillers do not.)
1307330;1445742227;asciilifeform;rinse, repeat (literally)
1307331;1445742235;mircea_popescu;etoh ?
1307332;1445742259;mats;the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
1307333;1445742289;mats;but I'll give it a go, soon as I acquire a hot plate
1307334;1445742303;mircea_popescu;can make out of wire and battery.
1307335;1445742331;mircea_popescu;depending on wire thickness, either the wire or the battery shall be the hot plate.
1307336;1445742333;mats;for folks curious about moda, gwern had written extensively on the subject
1307337;1445742341;asciilifeform;interestingly, if mircea_popescu were to take a dose of modafinil (racemic or isomeric, pick whichever) he would notice NOTHING AT ALL
1307338;1445742343;asciilifeform;guaranteed.
1307339;1445742344;mats;has*
1307340;1445742357;asciilifeform;and i bet mats knows why.
1307341;1445742363;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
1307342;1445742370;asciilifeform;no i mean literally NOTHING
1307343;1445742374;asciilifeform;no side effect either.
1307344;1445742379;mircea_popescu;whyssat ?
1307345;1445742414;asciilifeform;because it is a very peculiar kind of dope, which does (as far as most folks notice, or - for the most part - across a few million eaters / a few decades of sales) precisely one thing.
1307346;1445742418;asciilifeform;simulates a full night of sleep.
1307347;1445742438;mircea_popescu;lol that's fucking useless.
1307348;1445742446;asciilifeform;for mircea_popescu - guaranteed useless.
1307349;1445742463;mircea_popescu;"take this pill, it simulates taking a piss" "or i could... take a piss ?" "yes, of course".
1307350;1445742482;asciilifeform;countdown to broomstick...
1307351;1445742497;mats;I mostly used it to retain cognitive power and wakefulness for studying binges and v late nights
1307352;1445742520;*;mircea_popescu never binge studied either. wtf, if it's not worth reading normally it's not worth reading.
1307353;1445742540;*;mircea_popescu also started his final thesis in college 5 months early, and was done with it about a month and a half before it was supposed to be turned in.
1307354;1445742544;mats;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2654794/
1307355;1445742546;assbot;Mechanisms of modafinil: A review of current research ... ( http://bit.ly/1POdbhS )
1307356;1445742551;mats;topical
1307357;1445742608;mats;curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
1307358;1445742633;mats;;;later tell bingoboingo haro, ^
1307359;1445742634;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1307360;1445742646;gabriel_laddel;mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
1307361;1445742649;mircea_popescu;other than peterl, bb is like the resident chemist huh
1307362;1445742661;gabriel_laddel;?!
1307363;1445742664;gabriel_laddel;since when?
1307364;1445742667;mats;did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
1307365;1445742675;mircea_popescu;since when he keeps ranting about chem topics ? dunno.
1307366;1445742702;mircea_popescu;alf too, but alf only took a kindergarten level chemistry class
1307367;1445742706;mircea_popescu;so he doesn't count.
1307368;1445742710;gabriel_laddel;riiiigt
1307369;1445742712;mod6;haha
1307370;1445742714;gabriel_laddel;*riiight.
1307371;1445742737;mats;I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
1307372;1445742765;mircea_popescu;you lot could just as well have a glass of water and go takle a nap.
1307373;1445742773;asciilifeform;aaaaaha sure.
1307374;1445742775;asciilifeform;on dirigible.
1307375;1445742783;asciilifeform;in the magical room where you only do things you want to do.
1307376;1445742783;mircea_popescu;this shit isn't free. in the time you took to research it and the time it takes you to earn what it costs you coulda caught up on sleep.
1307377;1445742785;trinque;I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
1307378;1445742791;mats;e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
1307379;1445742805;mircea_popescu;trinque you know that AWESOME tlp article on placebo ?
1307380;1445742812;trinque;no but I will now want to search it out
1307381;1445742818;mircea_popescu;lemme feed it to you.
1307382;1445742824;trinque;ty
1307383;1445742831;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html
1307384;1445742832;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: No One Likes A Sure Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBmRx )
1307385;1445742836;asciilifeform;mats: you can actually sleep ~immediately~ after eating whatever dosage.
1307386;1445742841;asciilifeform;mats: try it if you don't believe.
1307387;1445742842;mircea_popescu;i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
1307388;1445742858;gabriel_laddel;I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
1307389;1445742865;mats;asciilifeform: I believe, have done so on a few occasions
1307390;1445742868;mircea_popescu;"no, parkinson, this is a legitimately defined disease with a biological backing. no, he is actually measuring the chemistry involved, dopamine. no, actually." etc
1307391;1445742891;mats;when I was apparently too exhausted, or perhaps took an insubstantial dosage
1307392;1445742904;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i got benzadrine otc here. asked for cyclobenzapyrine, derp showed up with benzos.
1307393;1445742919;gabriel_laddel;benzos != benzadrine
1307394;1445742929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not the muscle relaxant!!
1307395;1445742939;mircea_popescu;yes.
1307396;1445742943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 1950s usa, 'benzo' meant benzoamphetamine.
1307397;1445742964;mircea_popescu;oh, he actually meant amphetamine ? mkay.
1307398;1445742969;gabriel_laddel;yep.
1307399;1445742969;asciilifeform;(not, say, benzodiazepine)
1307400;1445742973;gabriel_laddel;widely used in the war effort.
1307401;1445742977;mircea_popescu;icnow.
1307402;1445742991;asciilifeform;in every country there was a separate name for it, for some odd reason
1307403;1445742992;gabriel_laddel;I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
1307404;1445743004;asciilifeform;germany and anything warsaw pact say 'pervitin' (nazi brand) - folks will recognize.
1307405;1445743008;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you have any idea whbat the tolerance to benzo-* is like ?
1307406;1445743015;mircea_popescu;after a few years you can take it by the gram.
1307407;1445743038;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: not really.
1307408;1445743039;asciilifeform;actually the relevant piece here is mircea_popescu's own 'how to smoke' article.
1307409;1445743047;asciilifeform;(don't be an idiot and eat $dope every day)
1307410;1445743057;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is the article about how to feed whores caviar.
1307411;1445743068;asciilifeform;hm. perhaps was thinking of another.
1307412;1445743076;asciilifeform;there was one about how to smoke, i distincly recally.
1307413;1445743080;asciilifeform;*distinctly
1307414;1445743087;mircea_popescu;i sometimes repeat myself.
1307415;1445743101;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/ < one i was thinking of.
1307416;1445743101;assbot;Caviarul si fata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBCja )
1307417;1445743118;mircea_popescu;"I. Ersteklasse. Crema a ceea ce poate oferi natura, icrele cele mai bune, din care in principiu un cetatean, oricit de bogat s-ar gasi, are totusi a consuma cantitati limitate, dintr-un motiv foarte simplu : daca nu alternezi cu produse inferioare te vei obisnui, si-apoi te vei deprima. Oamenii inteligenti le gusta lunar si traiesc fericiti pina la adinci batrineti."
1307418;1445743169;mircea_popescu;"the cream of what nature can offer, best roe, of which in principle a person no matter how rich still should only consume limited amounts for a very simple reason : if you do not alternate with inferior product you wiull become used to it, and then depressed. intelligent people eat it once a month and live happilly ever after."
1307419;1445743186;asciilifeform;^^^^
1307420;1445743202;asciilifeform;entirely pertinent, even if the wrong article.
1307421;1445743218;mircea_popescu;thinking about it, i do recall i also said about smoking.
1307422;1445743234;asciilifeform;'used to it, then depressed' followed by 'can't quit usa because that's where they serve up $x'
1307423;1445743246;mircea_popescu;lol. you are not at all far off.
1307424;1445743264;mircea_popescu;perhaps travelling by bus is now much more obviously comprehensible.
1307425;1445743269;*;asciilifeform speaks with the studded and corpulent anal pineapple of experience
1307426;1445743602;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/dodi/2015/dodd-5205-14.pdf >>>>>> http://dpaste.com/32ACSQ3.txt << lulzy, possibly qntra material ?
1307427;1445743603;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBVe4 )
1307428;1445743605;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBXCJ )
1307429;1445743605;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1307430;1445743636;asciilifeform;'The Department of Defense shall work with other U.S. Government (USG) departments and agencies and with partner nations to deny, disrupt, or defeat and degrade adversaries� ability to use global licit and illicit financial networks to negatively affect U.S. interests.'
1307431;1445743650;asciilifeform;(followed by a few kb of mostly generic usg claptrap)
1307432;1445743774;mircea_popescu;and this is remarkable why ?
1307433;1445743799;mircea_popescu;they got a stretched asshole the size of the gulf, and they're gonna work towards stitching it back together ?
1307434;1445743802;mircea_popescu;da fuck else would it say.
1307435;1445743816;*;asciilifeform did not read whole thing
1307436;1445743822;asciilifeform;hence feeding it to connoisseurs
1307437;1445743854;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that dod is uniquely unequipped to do this. this is a job for the ss, which is WHY they handlwe counterfitting in the first place.
1307438;1445743878;mircea_popescu;except ss knows enough about this to not want to touch it, so the aspirational down kids over at dod get a chance to shine.
1307439;1445743878;asciilifeform;there is not a meaningful separation between various seekrit skvirrels in usa today
1307440;1445743882;asciilifeform;(if there ever once was.)
1307441;1445743886;mircea_popescu;oh but there is.
1307442;1445743894;mircea_popescu;the only kind that counts : by intellect.
1307443;1445744048;asciilifeform;quite a bit of lateral motion and unclear separation of concern between the spetzagencies
1307444;1445744070;asciilifeform;e.g., nsa is civilian-staffed but managed largely by active or retired dod folk
1307445;1445744071;mircea_popescu;sure. but it still works exactly like it worked in the other soviet union.
1307446;1445744083;mircea_popescu;ie, the real-special guys despise the wanna-be-special guys
1307447;1445744099;mircea_popescu;which is why nsa is the internet forum pisspot.
1307448;1445744293;asciilifeform;iirc ss handled the known/public aspects of the mtgox dekulakization ?
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1307454;1445746520;mats;ho ho ho
1307455;1445746906;mats;someone hasn't read mp's thing about address reuse
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1307457;1445752695;trinque;mircea_popescu | http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html << I've been chewing on this for the last few hours. There's a lot here. gabriel_laddel, it would seem that not only could you will yourself focus, but *generally* will yourself anything from the possible mental states.
1307458;1445752696;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: No One Likes A Sure Thing ... ( http://bit.ly/1McBmRx )
1307459;1445752710;trinque;that is, as long as you can convince yourself you have a good chance at being in the state you want to be in ;)
1307460;1445752880;trinque;perhaps this anticipation thing is will.
1307461;1445752903;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1307462;1445752920;gabriel_laddel;ty
1307463;1445752923;trinque;yw
1307464;1445752946;gabriel_laddel;This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
1307465;1445752951;trinque;taking anxiety as an example; the worst thing you can do is try to avoid it.
1307466;1445752960;gabriel_laddel;most people wake up at 8am. Me: 4pm
1307467;1445752961;trinque;you asserting "fucking nonsense" with no reason is fucking nonsense
1307468;1445752981;trinque;when you have perfect health aside from this you can cry health problem
1307469;1445752986;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
1307470;1445752989;trinque;as it stands you've got a massive addiction to caffeine
1307471;1445753019;trinque;one of my favorite drugs, I'll have you know
1307472;1445753034;trinque;but it affects goddamn everything all over the body
1307473;1445753056;gabriel_laddel;trinque: do you have the effect of almost fainting sometimes?
1307474;1445753103;gabriel_laddel;like, you're just standing and then the stray thought "hey, it'd be nice to fall into bed, except there isn't a bed her" flies through your mind?
1307475;1445753116;trinque;sounds like extreme exhaustion
1307476;1445753127;trinque;have you ever done cocaine?
1307477;1445753133;trinque;for a few days?
1307478;1445753137;gabriel_laddel;trinque: yeah
1307479;1445753144;trinque;sounds about like that
1307480;1445753152;gabriel_laddel;nah, the caffine effect is different.
1307481;1445753160;mircea_popescu;!up archStanton
1307482;1445753177;mircea_popescu;trinque the caution being that it's a single study and they might be insane.
1307483;1445753196;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, the fact that placebo is nothing short of crazy is an open secret in clinician circles.
1307484;1445753200;gabriel_laddel;with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
1307485;1445753200;trinque;sure, this is very interesting though
1307486;1445753204;gabriel_laddel;same with cars.
1307487;1445753212;trinque;sounds suicidal.
1307488;1445753218;trinque;or at least paranoid
1307489;1445753218;gabriel_laddel;and this goes away completely when I don't drink a lot of coffee
1307490;1445753232;gabriel_laddel;it's sort of like a phantom limb effect.
1307491;1445753243;gabriel_laddel;and is very odd.
1307492;1445753255;trinque;yeah I've been fucked up on drugs before too bud
1307493;1445753258;trinque;lol
1307494;1445753276;trinque;why are you surprised your body's freaking out over your treatment of it?
1307495;1445753289;gabriel_laddel;I'm not. It's just... odd.
1307496;1445753302;gabriel_laddel;and it *only* happens with coffee.
1307497;1445753304;mircea_popescu;the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
1307498;1445753312;mircea_popescu;absent that... should be fine really.
1307499;1445753323;gabriel_laddel;I've been burnt out on coke and hating life, but never have had this effect.
1307500;1445753375;trinque;my only point is I wouldn't self diagnose "I need meds" before dropping your caffeine to zero, seeing where you're at
1307501;1445753394;gabriel_laddel;trinque: to be clear, I've done this.
1307502;1445753402;trinque;I've quit it entirely before, feels like shit, but a lot of the "stress" I was feeling back then was the several cups of coffee per day I was drinking.
1307503;1445753402;gabriel_laddel;trinque: and have not done hard drugs in years
1307504;1445753402;mircea_popescu;how about a cup a day or every coupla days or something. like sane people.
1307505;1445753416;trinque;I'm at a cup a day now, fine
1307506;1445753431;mircea_popescu;o wow that $600 bet is on fire huh
1307507;1445753490;gabriel_laddel;trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
1307508;1445753502;gabriel_laddel;and the multiple day reading binges
1307509;1445753508;gabriel_laddel;(of code or english, take your pick)
1307510;1445753524;trinque;so read all day anyway
1307511;1445753539;trinque;this notion of making oneself do a thing is bizarre
1307512;1445753545;gabriel_laddel;yeah, but it's more fun when "high".
1307513;1445753556;trinque;like you're a guy at the bridge of yourself directing things rather than being the thing
1307514;1445753585;gabriel_laddel;trinque: so wait, you don't get more absorbed in whatever you're doing when drinking coffee?
1307515;1445753635;trinque;is it that you have trouble clearing your head to consider one thing at a time?
1307516;1445753697;trinque;I drink coffee yes, for the high, but this does not prevent me from reading otherwise
1307517;1445753725;gabriel_laddel;trinque: in part. It's also that I'm just not interested or excited about life without coffee.
1307518;1445753734;gabriel_laddel;I don't have ideas that I would consider interesting.
1307519;1445753768;gabriel_laddel;it's a horrid slog through boring nonsense, depression, the works.
1307520;1445753776;trinque;well hell, death soon approaches.
1307521;1445753783;trinque;for me that's plenty to get to work
1307522;1445753832;gabriel_laddel;oh, and without coffee I get distracted.
1307523;1445753848;trinque;have you ever really considered the fact that you will soon die?
1307524;1445753862;gabriel_laddel;trinque: what, via coffee, or in general?
1307525;1445753886;gabriel_laddel;trinque: "for me that's plenty to get to work" ?
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1307527;1445753951;trinque;plenty of motivation to
1307528;1445753966;gabriel_laddel;trinque: it seems to me that the other thing missing from this discussion is that we've all very different chemistry.
1307529;1445753980;trinque;yes but your statements imply certain beliefs
1307530;1445753998;trinque;those may be different chemistry; I'm still chewing on the article as I said!
1307531;1445754009;gabriel_laddel;trinque: for example, the modafinil that I've taken works great for other people.
1307532;1445754016;trinque;what do you mean it works great?
1307533;1445754036;gabriel_laddel;they stay awake for 40 ish hours with no issues.
1307534;1445754050;gabriel_laddel;it does *nothing* for my sleep cycle
1307535;1445754062;gabriel_laddel;and makes my thoughts disjointed.
1307536;1445754100;trinque;this is an odd notion of being better; note that it is mostly about you being some kind of machine you run for x hours and produce y per hour
1307537;1445754124;gabriel_laddel;wrt coffee or modafinil?
1307538;1445754127;gabriel_laddel;or both?
1307539;1445754131;trinque;both I'd say
1307540;1445754144;trinque;what is the goal? so you stay awake for 40 hrs
1307541;1445754152;trinque;and then what happens?
1307542;1445754170;gabriel_laddel;and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise
1307543;1445754174;trinque;"I am the guy that coded for 40 hrs."
1307544;1445754197;gabriel_laddel;lol, I'm not doing it for other people
1307545;1445754219;trinque;fascinating, I didn't say it was for that
1307546;1445754238;gabriel_laddel;"I am the guy who coded for 40 hrs" < ?
1307547;1445754245;gabriel_laddel;isn't that what you were implying?
1307548;1445754258;trinque;my statement is right there, no secret other meanings
1307549;1445754274;mircea_popescu;<gabriel_laddel> and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise << no you don't. this is like the ridiculous notion of teenagers that they'll make a car "better".
1307550;1445754285;mircea_popescu;tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
1307551;1445754294;mircea_popescu;it's an industrial fucking product, you think they don't know what you know ?
1307552;1445754309;mircea_popescu;the only reason it's not included in the series version is that it's a stupid idea.
1307553;1445754312;gabriel_laddel;actually, with respect to portage / gentoo / funtoo - yeah
1307554;1445754320;trinque;ahaha, this is excellent due to the gentoo-as-ricer-car mockery
1307555;1445754321;gabriel_laddel;I know more than they do.
1307556;1445754324;mircea_popescu;no. with respect to "improving" your body.
1307557;1445754349;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
1307558;1445754357;gabriel_laddel;for example, taking the EasyUp before going to sleep
1307559;1445754358;mircea_popescu;you have no idea.
1307560;1445754369;gabriel_laddel;othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
1307561;1445754376;mircea_popescu;there's somewhere in the log this observation, you can't learn medicine on yourself.
1307562;1445754382;gabriel_laddel;and the whole process of brushing teeth takes like 1 hour
1307563;1445754389;gabriel_laddel;with easyup: 20 minutes and I'm chipper
1307564;1445754415;mircea_popescu;i had an uncle.
1307565;1445754416;mircea_popescu;he's dead.
1307566;1445754430;mircea_popescu;he had diabethes. according to him, he could not take the medicine. except with honey.
1307567;1445754451;mircea_popescu;this is known as fatlogic.
1307568;1445754458;gabriel_laddel;I would lol if it wasn't your uncle.
1307569;1445754464;trinque;you're doing the same thing.
1307570;1445754471;mircea_popescu;you would also lol if it wasn't yourself.
1307571;1445754494;gabriel_laddel;I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
1307572;1445754503;gabriel_laddel;I've tried setting alarms, getting enough sleep etc.
1307573;1445754505;mircea_popescu;this is fine :)
1307574;1445754509;trinque;this is where he gets dumped in the ocean on mushrooms
1307575;1445754510;gabriel_laddel;none of it works.
1307576;1445754513;trinque;did wonders for my good friend
1307577;1445754525;gabriel_laddel;trinque: !?!?
1307578;1445754533;mircea_popescu;did he end up in france ?
1307579;1445754536;trinque;lol
1307580;1445754547;mircea_popescu;(from west coast, obviously)
1307581;1445754606;gabriel_laddel;trinque: how would this help anything?
1307582;1445754617;gabriel_laddel;trinque: and why would you do this to someone?
1307583;1445754622;trinque;he did it to himself
1307584;1445754628;trinque;no one forced him
1307585;1445754628;gabriel_laddel;...
1307586;1445754630;gabriel_laddel;what
1307587;1445754690;trinque;he was disoriented and lost track of the beach and ended up rather far out
1307588;1445754690;gabriel_laddel;trinque: could you please tell this story.
1307589;1445754697;gabriel_laddel;oh.
1307590;1445754699;trinque;lol no pun intended
1307591;1445754707;gabriel_laddel;yeah, I'm not really sure how this relates to me.
1307592;1445754709;mircea_popescu;lol
1307593;1445754740;trinque;accepted he might die, then found it within himself to be a man and swim his ass back to what felt like shore, and he did
1307594;1445754741;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1307595;1445754756;trinque;the reason I mentioned it is that you are so sure of your model of yourself
1307596;1445754761;gabriel_laddel;yeah, I don't know what this "being a man" stuff is about
1307597;1445754773;trinque;these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
1307598;1445754808;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
1307599;1445754818;gabriel_laddel;how else would you read that?
1307600;1445754833;trinque;the fuck; you'd wake up if it meant an enemy bullet otherwise
1307601;1445754850;trinque;or maybe *you* wouldn't but the normal human mind can decide it can do all kinds of things when it must
1307602;1445754872;trinque;if you're bitching about waking up in the morning I think you haven't suffered enough
1307603;1445754876;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you'd think that. but I've missed events I *really* wanted to attend because I wouldn't wake
1307604;1445754913;gabriel_laddel;trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
1307605;1445754917;trinque;yeah I "never could wake up" as a teenager either
1307606;1445754929;trinque;except I didn't give a fuck to, and my mother woke me up with breakfast and all my shit ready to go
1307607;1445754957;trinque;and I went to a few pretend military camps in the summer and woke up myself every morning while there
1307608;1445754975;trinque;to be grinning with a "fuck you" to the sergeant that'd come busting into my room screaming hoping I was still asleep
1307609;1445755005;trinque;gabriel_laddel: this sounds like "I should've given a fuck" not "I gave a fuck"
1307610;1445755022;gabriel_laddel;trinque: you're missing my point, or I'm not stating it correctly. I've missed things I care deeply about because of sleep
1307611;1445755038;gabriel_laddel;and even with people screaming at me, I still missed things
1307612;1445755050;gabriel_laddel;and all of this is solved by taking a pill before I go to sleep
1307613;1445755055;trinque;the sergeant's screaming had nothing to do with my waking up
1307614;1445755061;trinque;I enjoyed the fuck out of winning at that game so I did
1307615;1445755080;trinque;mircea_popescu: I see your point about education 100% at this moment.
1307616;1445755125;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
1307617;1445755152;gabriel_laddel;but all of this is solved when I take a pill - not just a caffine pill - but a coffee extract?
1307618;1445755162;gabriel_laddel;how on *earth* am I supposed to read this?
1307619;1445755172;gabriel_laddel;that I should take the broomstick approach?
1307620;1445755215;mircea_popescu;you do whatevs you feel like. if you're happy with it carry on, eventually you'll either die or have enough of it.
1307621;1445755216;gabriel_laddel;(for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)
1307622;1445755487;mircea_popescu;wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
1307623;1445755530;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: something akin to that, yes.
1307624;1445755543;gabriel_laddel;multiple times.
1307625;1445755555;mircea_popescu;i slept through it too.
1307626;1445755572;gabriel_laddel;yeah, but were you excited about it?
1307627;1445755582;mircea_popescu;depends on your definition of excited.
1307628;1445755592;mircea_popescu;in operational terms, i was as excited as you were, apparently.
1307629;1445755603;punkman;gabriel_laddel: doesn't the coffee pill make your sleep weird?
1307630;1445755607;gabriel_laddel;punkman: nah
1307631;1445755641;punkman;I've taken modafinil before sleep a couple times, to make sure I'd wake up for a flight
1307632;1445755663;punkman;was quite tired, had the strangest dreams
1307633;1445755670;mircea_popescu;ew
1307634;1445755798;gabriel_laddel;And this is sort of what I'm getting at - people differ greatly. Modafinil doesn't work for me, some people can't take caffine before bed, some people can't drink and have sex (MP's eugenics article) and some can.
1307635;1445755865;mircea_popescu;that's an age thing.
1307636;1445755880;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: what, drinking and sex?
1307637;1445755896;mircea_popescu;myeah
1307638;1445755932;trinque;gabriel_laddel: and how healthy are you
1307639;1445755932;gabriel_laddel;riiight.
1307640;1445755945;punkman;mircea_popescu: dunno, I remember being too drunk to fuck at 17 or whatever
1307641;1445755966;mircea_popescu;well, alcohol is a downer. kids are overexcitable. it's a toss-up.
1307642;1445755975;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I don't know.
1307643;1445756124;*;gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
1307644;1445756147;gabriel_laddel;I'll go with "I treat my body like shit, and do pretty well "
1307645;1445756165;trinque;but you like so totally have this very unique sleep disorder
1307646;1445756179;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ?
1307647;1445756189;trinque;again, the statement is right there.
1307648;1445756219;trinque;might try operating the thing better first
1307649;1445756249;gabriel_laddel;well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.
1307650;1445756262;trinque;what does reality care about what you want
1307651;1445756276;trinque;although, maybe if you can convince yourself that some of your orange crush cans are sleep aids...
1307652;1445756281;trinque;but only some!
1307653;1445756300;gabriel_laddel;oh this is nonsense
1307654;1445756310;gabriel_laddel;look, there are tradeoffs to be made
1307655;1445756316;gabriel_laddel;I've been healthy before, but it sucks
1307656;1445756318;trinque;it was a joke, dingus
1307657;1445756323;gabriel_laddel;oh, derp
1307658;1445756371;gabriel_laddel;trinque: so what is your top 3 favorite substances of abuse?
1307659;1445756376;trinque;so this whole thing is mainly about what you want, which is orange crush and other things, but not being healthy
1307660;1445756389;trinque;I don't tend to "abuse" substances
1307661;1445756395;gabriel_laddel;the problem with being healthy is that I get too turned on by everything.
1307662;1445756398;trinque;though I'm 28; I'm not saying I never did
1307663;1445756408;punkman;lolwut
1307664;1445756409;gabriel_laddel;so yeah, I'm optimizing for something specific.
1307665;1445756411;trinque;not that I'm ancient, but I'm not trying to wreck the thing either
1307666;1445756424;gabriel_laddel;trinque: so what /were/ your top 3.
1307667;1445756441;trinque;I was never one to habitually wreck myself
1307668;1445756457;trinque;if I say "booze" that's saying I got very drunk that month
1307669;1445756481;trinque;weed I smoked daily for a long time
1307670;1445756487;gabriel_laddel;fine, trinque, what are your top 3 favorite substances to use in moderation, with a trip sitter, etc etc
1307671;1445756496;gabriel_laddel;like a responsible adult
1307672;1445756511;trinque;so coffee weed booze by volume
1307673;1445756523;gabriel_laddel;and by preference?
1307674;1445756550;trinque;!up gabriel_laddel
1307675;1445756591;trinque;gabriel_laddel: actually I will admit to using cigs in precisely the same way you were talking about coffee
1307676;1445756611;gabriel_laddel;trinque: ah, so nicotine is one of my favorite as well
1307677;1445756614;trinque;coding, getting the nicotine going and thinking I was "so much more focused"
1307678;1445756616;trinque;it's a bunch of horse shit
1307679;1445756621;gabriel_laddel;!?
1307680;1445756629;trinque;the fucking oxygen you're not getting for one
1307681;1445756643;gabriel_laddel;I no longer smoke, but programming while smoking was always nice.
1307682;1445756653;trinque;your feelings about the thing do not matter
1307683;1445756664;gabriel_laddel;then what the fuck is the point!?
1307684;1445756668;trinque;of what?
1307685;1445756672;gabriel_laddel;anything!
1307686;1445756678;trinque;what point
1307687;1445756679;gabriel_laddel;why are we here if not to have fun
1307688;1445756685;gabriel_laddel;why not program JS for a living
1307689;1445756688;trinque;you're here because some things happened
1307690;1445756704;trinque;why not program JS for a living?
1307691;1445756704;gabriel_laddel;right, but I'm here to have a good time in spite of that
1307692;1445756707;trinque;or suck dick?
1307693;1445756710;gabriel_laddel;hence why cl etc etc
1307694;1445756720;trinque;so do that
1307695;1445756727;gabriel_laddel;omg
1307696;1445756731;trinque;being here to have a good time sounds great
1307697;1445756759;gabriel_laddel;dawwww I'm so curious as to your thoughts on MDMA, cocaine, LSD
1307698;1445756763;gabriel_laddel;mushrooms
1307699;1445756772;gabriel_laddel;do tell, please
1307700;1445756774;trinque;lovely fun all
1307701;1445756777;trinque;what's to tell?
1307702;1445756814;gabriel_laddel;have you done anything really out there, like DMT?
1307703;1445756829;trinque;salvia is pretty out there.
1307704;1445756832;trinque;but not dmt
1307705;1445756835;trinque;*haven't
1307706;1445756839;mircea_popescu;for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.
1307707;1445756962;trinque;the thing I'm moderately curious about is what question gabriel_laddel is asking
1307708;1445756993;trinque;but it's certainly getting nowhere and can be left at that.
1307709;1445757083;mircea_popescu;looks like a scoring model.
1307710;1445757249;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSIVwAwWIAAlFXH.png
1307711;1445757249;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WbEGae )
1307712;1445757305;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this "ethicists".
1307713;1445757330;punkman;old women that can't afford motorized dildo?
1307714;1445757366;mircea_popescu;women may speak of ethics now ?!
1307715;1445757371;mircea_popescu;what's next, rabis ?
1307716;1445758503;thestringpuller;https://magnr.com/ << the ponzis continue
1307717;1445759492;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Great Gatsby - http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-gatsby/
1307718;1445761552;mircea_popescu;;;ud idgi
1307719;1445761552;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idgi | As two friends chuckled about how fake the scene looked one seemingly naive friend commented "I don't get it", "what's so funny?". At last the IDGI was re-born.
1307720;1445761870;mircea_popescu;!up referredbyloper
1307721;1445761921;referredbyloper;Thanks. I just read the post about phuctor breaking an rsa key.
1307722;1445762073;mircea_popescu;cool.
1307723;1445763400;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/love_the_way_you_lie_with_me.html << in which tlp understands why castrated pencildicks can't compete.
1307724;1445763402;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Love The Way You Lie (With Me) ... ( http://bit.ly/1POwc3Q )
1307725;1445763420;mircea_popescu;way to go. ps : it isn't abuse just because it leaves you outside, feeling inadequate.
1307726;1445766855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25625 @ 0.00053682 = 13.756 BTC [-]
1307727;1445769173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129300 @ 0.00054382 = 70.3159 BTC [+] {6} 
1307728;1445769933;jurov;;;ticker
1307729;1445769934;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.32, Best ask: 292.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 292.7, 24 hour volume: 25634.88479045, 24 hour low: 279.7, 24 hour high: 292.98, 24 hour vwap: None
1307730;1445769945;jurov;!up Zuardi
1307731;1445769955;jurov;!t m x.eur
1307732;1445769955;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00405789 / 0.00406095 / 0.0040661 (264 shares, 1.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00405633 / 0.00416233 / 0.00430867 (2925 shares, 12.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00405633 / 0.00446616 / 0.00478652 (7786 shares, 34.77 BTC)
1307733;1445770271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30463 @ 0.00053682 = 16.3531 BTC [-] {2} 
1307734;1445782146;punkman;14 years ago http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.500/
1307735;1445782148;assbot;Apple's New Thing (iPod) | MacRumors Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0K2PP )
1307736;1445786073;VariaVarietatis;sup mircea_popescu
1307737;1445786413;punkman;"By the grace if Allah upon His faithful servants, your brothers in the Technical Department of GIMF as well as the brothers in Al-Fajr Media Center have developed encryption software to protect your communications on your personal computers and mobile phones."
1307738;1445786416;punkman;"These software packages - Asrar al-Mujahideen, Asrar al-Dardashah, Mobile Encryption and Amn al-Mujahid - are the arrows in your quiver to pierce the eyes of the spies."
1307739;1445786432;punkman;(from al-qaeda magazine)
1307740;1445787159;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b30
1307741;1445788746;asciilifeform;punkman: rot13.
1307742;1445788787;asciilifeform;punkman: gotta remember that those folks are - for all intents and purposes - retarded.
1307743;1445789056;asciilifeform;;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.
1307744;1445789056;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:09; gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
1307745;1445789056;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1307746;1445789126;punkman;asciilifeform: I thought the language amusing
1307747;1445789146;asciilifeform;punkman: likely, it reads entirely normal in the original
1307748;1445789246;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307497 << actually the most serious problem is that eventually it stops doing anything at all.
1307749;1445789246;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:08:24; mircea_popescu: the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
1307750;1445789266;asciilifeform;and you can't take a holiday from the dope because then the cheques stop coming.
1307751;1445789300;asciilifeform;(in usa it is rare for any worker type to have serious paid leave)
1307752;1445789320;asciilifeform;2 wk/yr is considered princely.
1307753;1445789395;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307550 << this is nonsense and mircea_popescu knows it. do your gurlz take bc pill ? iron supplement? BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR111!!1
1307754;1445789395;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:24:45; mircea_popescu: tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
1307755;1445789433;asciilifeform;perhaps the gods meant them to be anemic and nonstop pregnant..
1307756;1445789503;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307565 << in the end, everybody gets to be equally dead.
1307757;1445789503;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:56; mircea_popescu: he's dead.
1307758;1445789681;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'
1307759;1445789681;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:32:53; trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
1307760;1445789782;asciilifeform;tlp et al are right in a sense: depression, weird circadian rhythms, etc. are not diseases in the sense that leukemia is. all of these people would happily live without dope, on some different planet. the problem is that they cannot move to this planet.
1307761;1445789831;asciilifeform;if gabriel_laddel actually could sleep ad libitum - that is, WHENEVER he wants, FOR AS LONG AS he wants - i suspect that he wouldn't ask for dope of any kind.
1307762;1445790054;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307622 << i never grasped this custom: why is it necessary to buy $item the day it comes out? let the other schmucks test...?
1307763;1445790054;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:44:47; mircea_popescu: wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
1307764;1445790166;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307706 << l0l, why? because dope?
1307765;1445790166;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 07:07:19; mircea_popescu: for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.
1307766;1445790194;asciilifeform;imho smart-people-talking-about-dope doesn't read quite the same as stupid-people-talking-about-dope.
1307767;1445790218;asciilifeform;because smart-people-talking-about-$item doesn't read quite the same as stupid-people-talking-about-$item. for any possible $item.
1307768;1445790331;asciilifeform;see also:
1307769;1445790332;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005
1307770;1445790332;assbot;Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1307771;1445790480;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307710 << see also:
1307772;1445790480;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 07:14:09; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSIVwAwWIAAlFXH.png
1307773;1445790482;asciilifeform;!s mocsny
1307774;1445790483;assbot;35 results for 'mocsny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mocsny
1307775;1445790575;asciilifeform;who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
1307776;1445790937;diametric;asciilifeform: check it out http://www.thermaltronics.com/products.php
1307777;1445790938;assbot;Thermaltronics Soldering: Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvxgrQ )
1307778;1445791021;diametric;asciilifeform: look familiar?
1307779;1445791438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00053668 = 9.6602 BTC [-]
1307780;1445792764;asciilifeform;diametric: metcal?!
1307781;1445792793;*;asciilifeform reads specs, discovers that indeed it claims to be a metcal clone
1307782;1445792856;asciilifeform;diametric: they have tweezers, even.
1307783;1445793705;mircea_popescu;hhhhola!
1307784;1445793746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform must be bought same day because poor impulse control (must have) and poor social skills (this is the only time you'll meet people you can talk to this year)
1307785;1445793753;asciilifeform;buenos dias se�or popescu
1307786;1445793856;mircea_popescu;que tal ?
1307787;1445793997;mats;https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf
1307788;1445793999;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVp5Fj )
1307789;1445794016;asciilifeform;viva la revoluci�n por siempre y para siempre
1307790;1445794028;asciilifeform;or somethinglikethat.
1307791;1445794054;asciilifeform;mats: again with the 'let's seeeekk00000r3 the c-machine with magic pixie dust'
1307792;1445794074;asciilifeform;dontcha ever tire of it ?
1307793;1445794106;mats;you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
1307794;1445794112;diametric;asciilifeform: its not a clone.
1307795;1445794136;diametric;asciilifeform: the engineers that created metcal left metcal, and formed thermaltronics when the patent expired
1307796;1445794140;mats;if you find the time, it is far more readable than selinux
1307797;1445794141;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1307798;1445794142;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.52, Best ask: 294.64, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 294.52, 24 hour volume: 33147.35330584, 24 hour low: 280.35, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1307799;1445794145;diametric;so technically, the thermaltronics is more metcal than metcal is now.
1307800;1445794150;mircea_popescu;o look at that. resistences evaporating.
1307801;1445794153;asciilifeform;diametric: nifty, we oughta buy one of these.
1307802;1445794158;mircea_popescu;let's dust off some old quote.
1307803;1445794194;diametric;asciilifeform: was thinking about it
1307804;1445794202;asciilifeform;mats: take, for instance: 'encrypt/decrypt return address by a random key.' this is TYPICAL microshitism. the only actual result of this kind of thinking is that shit gets ever harder to debug, and new hidey-holes for exploitation are born.
1307805;1445794309;asciilifeform;mats: try to understand what i am objecting to - you might learn something.
1307806;1445794330;asciilifeform;there was an old comic where a schoolteacher says 'i always wear a condom when conducting lessons'
1307807;1445794348;mircea_popescu;well... looking for where i said teh poor usg is between rock and hard place, if it misses but once it's fucked, i instead found http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
1307808;1445794349;assbot;Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMSgXx )
1307809;1445794349;asciilifeform;this is what all the various 'stack canaries', 'encrypted return addresses', etc. sounds like to me.
1307810;1445794351;mircea_popescu;ima call it good.
1307811;1445794370;mircea_popescu;lest i get lost in a pile of awesome and do no work but grin for the rest of the sunday.
1307812;1445794382;asciilifeform;https://xkcd.com/463 << found it
1307813;1445794383;assbot;xkcd: Voting Machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMSkGD )
1307814;1445794458;mircea_popescu;"Asrar al-Mujahideen, Asrar al-Dardashah" aaaahahahah.
1307815;1445794473;mircea_popescu;next time, stick to el-zip-ibn-lzw, brothers.
1307816;1445794524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your 'homebrew crypto' article ?
1307817;1445794551;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307743 << it sounded to me like the same. in fact, it is likely that boys have a non-24 hour rythm with significant incidence (if you think about it - how do you design the male to maximize its fucjing and hunting opportunities ?)
1307818;1445794551;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:04:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.
1307819;1445794556;mircea_popescu;i do.
1307820;1445794587;asciilifeform;aha. when left to my own devices, i'll cycle through the whole face of the clock.
1307821;1445794618;mircea_popescu;right ?
1307822;1445794628;mircea_popescu;so you'll find all the animals asleep at some time.
1307823;1445794632;asciilifeform;THIS is why i covet 'sleep ad libitum' more than anything else.
1307824;1445794642;asciilifeform;more than dirigibles, harems, etc.
1307825;1445794644;mircea_popescu;i am currently waking 2pm, fancy that.
1307826;1445794668;mircea_popescu;and to grok the true sign of luxury : i have an auction in eulora in 20 minutes. which i woke naturally for.
1307827;1445794787;asciilifeform;this is also why i do not piss on 'one day my real life will begin!' fantasy with the same abandon as tlp and mircea_popescu
1307828;1445794820;asciilifeform;because i can easily see a rational mechanism for 'i am not now really alive but if $condition then i will be.'
1307829;1445794838;mircea_popescu;your parents aren't supposed to understand YOU. they're supposed to understand the world.
1307830;1445794840;mircea_popescu;you is your job.
1307831;1445794847;asciilifeform;parents?
1307832;1445794861;mircea_popescu;well tlp in this case. but the mechanism of pissing on X myth is parenting.
1307833;1445794867;mircea_popescu;in fact, THIS is what parenting is. pissing on myths.
1307834;1445794901;asciilifeform;i was conjecturing that this particular myth has a kernel of truth in it, just as the stories of 'great flood' are said to
1307835;1445794916;mircea_popescu;all myths have a kernel of truth in em. the idea is to select a set that works.
1307836;1445794996;mircea_popescu;kinda the point of that entire thing with trinque yest. "oh, 100% placebo works for me when i tihnk it's 75% drug". good for you, continue.
1307837;1445795004;asciilifeform;!s placebocin
1307838;1445795005;assbot;5 results for 'placebocin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=placebocin
1307839;1445795016;asciilifeform;(from uncle al's works)
1307840;1445795032;mircea_popescu;aha. the effect is not exactly unknown, in all its batshit crazy splendour.
1307841;1445795047;mircea_popescu;or should i say "unmodelable" ? obscurantist perhaps ? :D
1307842;1445795050;asciilifeform;most brightly illustrated by the savages who could be 'prayed to death'
1307843;1445795068;asciilifeform;there are, incidentally, promising models for it. but the thing went nowhere because science died.
1307844;1445795088;mircea_popescu;no. they are promising for the same reason 15yo hos "are" promising.
1307845;1445795098;mircea_popescu;they're not models. and once they try to become models they quit promising.
1307846;1445795101;asciilifeform;prolly ought have said 'were promising.'
1307847;1445795107;asciilifeform;it is a past-tense thing.
1307848;1445795118;mats;asciilifeform: grsec, afaik, has had _exactly one_ publicly disclosed vuln, to my knowledge
1307849;1445795123;mircea_popescu;but not because of any sort of co-incidence.
1307850;1445795143;asciilifeform;mats: my objection is ecological rather than immediate, understand.
1307851;1445795148;mats;results speak for themselves, despite hand waving as to 'pixie dust', which is outright misleading imo
1307852;1445795158;asciilifeform;mats: i object to the entire pattern of thought on display there.
1307853;1445795165;mats;noted
1307854;1445795166;mircea_popescu;mats but what do you know of the unknown ones ?
1307855;1445795176;asciilifeform;the result FROM MY CHAIR is that the code is MORE COMPLEX
1307856;1445795177;mircea_popescu;i mean, your data is your data, ok, but what does it say ?
1307857;1445795181;asciilifeform;this is ipso facto a bad thing.
1307858;1445795198;mircea_popescu;"grsec has had much lower burn rate than the other packages because there has been less independent research put into it"
1307859;1445795219;mircea_popescu;vs "grsec is actually better code"
1307860;1445795220;asciilifeform;and the PREMISES are retarded.  they take it as a GIVEN that there WILL be overflows, stack smashes, etc.
1307861;1445795225;asciilifeform;that these are thing we OUGHT to live with.
1307862;1445795226;asciilifeform;as concepts.
1307863;1445795251;mats;13:28:25 <+mats> you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
1307864;1445795301;asciilifeform;mats: if you'd like to link to, e.g., diffs, to demonstrate this, i'll read.
1307865;1445795336;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307748 << well yeah but i meant in withdrawal.
1307866;1445795336;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:07:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307497 << actually the most serious problem is that eventually it stops doing anything at all.
1307867;1445795355;asciilifeform;ah yes.
1307868;1445795390;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307753 << jesus fuck he fucking butchered me.
1307869;1445795390;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:09:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307550 << this is nonsense and mircea_popescu knows it. do your gurlz take bc pill ? iron supplement? BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR111!!1
1307870;1445795423;asciilifeform;mats: also we ought to try to agree on some notion of 'results'. for me, 'results' includes not only 'how many 0days published' but also 'what the code i MUST READ TO GRASP THE SYSTEM actually looks like'
1307871;1445795428;mircea_popescu;i will now attempt to mout a defense with my disembodied, bloody remains!
1307872;1445795430;asciilifeform;l0l
1307873;1445795441;asciilifeform;take some reconstitutory dopez!
1307874;1445795455;mircea_popescu;so asciilifeform : a) the iron because they're broken (ie, not equal to the design) ; the bc is, TECHNICALLY, part of the car. aftermarket shocks.
1307875;1445795480;asciilifeform;aha. dope, as correctly used, is aftermarket shocks.
1307876;1445795486;mircea_popescu;fu!
1307877;1445795487;asciilifeform;or jets. or parachute. take your pick.
1307878;1445795493;mircea_popescu;i got nothing!
1307879;1445795538;asciilifeform;where was that rhyme...
1307880;1445795558;asciilifeform;'my candle burns at both ends, / it will not last the night, / but ah, my foes! / and oh, my friends! / it gives a lovely light.'
1307881;1445795622;mircea_popescu;lol
1307882;1445795625;mircea_popescu;nb.
1307883;1445795638;asciilifeform;and yes, for every meth-taking erdos or wiener, there are ten million nobodies who think that their sulfurous rancid turd burning at both ends is a candle with lovely light, yes.
1307884;1445795660;mircea_popescu;no. the irony is, they think "there was nothing [else] i could do."
1307885;1445795669;mircea_popescu;because this is how "think" goes.
1307886;1445795679;mircea_popescu;"nobloody could have predictits!"
1307887;1445797042;mats;well, offhand, disables read/writes to /dev/kmem, /dev/mem, /dev/port, model specific registers, kexec, module loading, privileged io (ioperm and iopl calls), unprivileged PERF_EVENTS usage, restricts /proc, sysfs, and debugfs, ...
1307888;1445797094;mats;if i find diffs, ill let you know
1307889;1445797101;asciilifeform;mats: disables how? and for whom ?
1307890;1445797132;asciilifeform;on an ordinary linux box you already need root for these
1307891;1445797159;asciilifeform;(with the possible exception of /proc - but i gotta run strace! what, i have to sudo to strace now?!)
1307892;1445797200;mats;many of these protects kernel from root
1307893;1445797217;mats;i haven't read through all the patchsets, so can't say exhaustively which does what, etc
1307894;1445797217;asciilifeform;'protects from root' what a crock of shit
1307895;1445797243;asciilifeform;yes, i get that this is the fashion, 'box with no root'
1307896;1445797263;asciilifeform;it is a crock of shit, because the pretense is trivially shattered in 1,001 ways
1307897;1445797271;asciilifeform;(can i talk to the nic? does it have dma?)
1307898;1445797990;mats;https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/13/774 ?
1307899;1445797990;assbot;LKML: Matthew Garrett: [PATCH 04/12] x86: Lock down IO port access when trusted_kernel is true ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAWd4H )
1307900;1445798066;asciilifeform;mats: only thing is, i can do arbitrary dma on just about any box where i can access ~any~ pci device's standard mmio space - no need to screw with the pci config regs
1307901;1445798091;asciilifeform;(e.g., most nics have a - documented or not - provision for dma)
1307902;1445798190;asciilifeform;and yes, you can fandango over ~all~ of physical ram, typically the thing does not care where you put its ring buffer - and you don't need to access pci config to move it
1307903;1445798226;asciilifeform;but if you enjoy putting a steel door on a drywall room - who am i to say no.
1307904;1445798283;asciilifeform;also - as mats knows - or ought to know - 'trusted' is a usg shibboleth for 'resists attempts at understanding or modification by putative owner'
1307905;1445798308;asciilifeform;as in 'trusted platform module'
1307906;1445798314;asciilifeform;or microshit's 'trusted computing.'
1307907;1445798335;asciilifeform;;;google treacherous computing
1307908;1445798336;gribble;Can You Trust Your Computer? - GNU Project - Free Software ...: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html>; Microsoft's Treacherous Computing — Free Software Foundation ...: <https://www.fsf.org/news/treacherous.html>; Digital Restrictions Management and Treacherous Computing ...: <http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/drm.html>
1307909;1445798341;asciilifeform;^ see also rms on subj.
1307910;1445798569;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307364 << I babysat the classroom while the lectures came in over the projector.
1307911;1445798569;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 03:11:07; mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
1307912;1445798609;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you missed a long and mighty dope thread
1307913;1445798619;BingoBoingo;reading through it nao
1307914;1445798875;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307357 << Caffeine, vitamin B, and sleep are fine. Changing the "set point" of the dopamine and norephedrine pathways seems shitty
1307915;1445798875;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 03:10:08; mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
1307916;1445798943;mats;i can't say i know enough to address your claims
1307917;1445798949;asciilifeform;this is not a bad time to point out that dope tolerance is not a magical punishment straight from god, but a physical mechanism. which could, conceivably, be dealt with.
1307918;1445798970;asciilifeform;there was some work in this direction, but for reasons which are quite clear (politics of u.s. pharma business) it never went anywhere.
1307919;1445798972;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << relatedly, https://vimeo.com/79173606 lol
1307920;1445798972;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
1307921;1445798972;assbot;VR TENGA DEMO (2): Oculus Rift＋Novint Falcon＋TENGA on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1WcAAtm )
1307922;1445799031;asciilifeform;mats: l0l! what is that
1307923;1445799114;mats;demo of 'novint falcon' game controller
1307924;1445799190;mats;we r p close to rendition of virtual fuckbot through e.g. oculus rift+fleshlight+'novint falcon'
1307925;1445799328;jurov;"there will be mass upheaval" << sauce?
1307926;1445799357;jurov;and why there was no similar upheaval when free porn became available?
1307927;1445800092;deedbot-;[Trilema] And there was another auction, and there was another record, and so on. - http://trilema.com/2015/and-there-was-another-auction-and-there-was-another-record-and-so-on/
1307928;1445800933;mats;ben_vulpes has briefly mentioned before, but: window system in haskell in 1200 lines https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad
1307929;1445800934;assbot;xmonad/xmonad · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6Qggs )
1307930;1445800980;jurov;misread as widget system, got excited for a moment
1307931;1445801062;mats;=[
1307932;1445801411;ben_vulpes;xmonad sucks as much as haskell sucks, for the simple reason that one must load haskell's horseshit into head to use it.
1307933;1445801418;ben_vulpes;stumpwm is marginally better, and...
1307934;1445801472;ben_vulpes;granted, 18kloc.
1307935;1445801510;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.66000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b13
1307936;1445801618;mircea_popescu;"|hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
1307937;1445801618;mircea_popescu;or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?"
1307938;1445801621;mircea_popescu;ahaha that thread's gold.
1307939;1445801635;mircea_popescu;Oct 23, 2001
1307940;1445801653;mircea_popescu;"I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
1307941;1445801653;mircea_popescu;Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!"
1307942;1445801753;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307758 << what is this obscurantist claptrap! if i can't model it adequately and measure it experimentaly it's in your mind!
1307943;1445801753;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:14:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'
1307944;1445801847;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307764 << no, not because dope. because substanceless (ha!) lines of five words each delineating vague posturing of no further interest.
1307945;1445801847;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:22:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307706 << l0l, why? because dope?
1307946;1445801925;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << 0 upheaval. what fucking upheaval ?
1307947;1445801925;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
1307948;1445802234;mircea_popescu;hey, where did everyone go! let's argue about things!
1307949;1445802294;mircea_popescu;Wot Rank15 / 7,591 << ha-HA!
1307950;1445802497;ben_vulpes;today i learned about the ongoing lng conversions in the shipping industry
1307951;1445802701;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1307952;1445802757;mircea_popescu;did you get to the entire crazy that is "oil quality", how it relates to its density, and what "a barrle" ACTUALLY means ?
1307953;1445802769;mircea_popescu;guaranteed entertainment for a year's time in smart go-getter types.
1307954;1445802969;ben_vulpes;no i have not!
1307955;1445802982;ben_vulpes;is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
1307956;1445802997;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1307957;1445803010;mircea_popescu;oil quality is, i daresay, something like beauty in adolescent human females.
1307958;1445803020;mircea_popescu;for sure more male time / money went into the former to date.
1307959;1445803073;mircea_popescu;it is certainly a valid, heavy duty phd. "1915-2015, a century of "oil quality"". THAT is something i'd respect.
1307960;1445803162;ben_vulpes;i have never successfully run down what heresy chevron puts into their techron
1307961;1445803171;ben_vulpes;makes me fear for my 35 year old engine.
1307962;1445803185;mircea_popescu;your car is older than you ?
1307963;1445803194;ben_vulpes;i actually drive out to the rural areas to find low ethanol fuels.
1307964;1445803201;ben_vulpes;significantly!
1307965;1445803229;mircea_popescu;a few %s isn't significant anymore :D
1307966;1445803293;ben_vulpes;'s more than a few.
1307967;1445803319;ben_vulpes;dunno that people here realize how young i actually am.
1307968;1445803387;mircea_popescu;weren't you like 28 or something ?
1307969;1445803394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49649 @ 0.00053483 = 26.5538 BTC [-] {2} 
1307970;1445803404;mod6;So a new version of my V (version 99999 K) has been posted to the website and the ML.
1307971;1445803409;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151025.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151025.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1307972;1445803410;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqpn9 )
1307973;1445803411;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqpnd )
1307974;1445803423;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000173.html
1307975;1445803425;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99999 K ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqqre )
1307976;1445803436;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000174.html
1307977;1445803437;assbot;[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99999 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mkqrv9 )
1307978;1445803453;mod6;Enjoy! Let me know if you have questions or run into any problems.  Thanks!
1307979;1445803514;mircea_popescu;cool bans
1307980;1445803538;ben_vulpes;intel always remembers :P
1307981;1445803553;ben_vulpes;tasting guido included!
1307982;1445803590;mircea_popescu;kik
1307983;1445804161;mircea_popescu;"There is a terrible, terrible, ugly truth underlying all of this, and that is that taxes don't matter to a government that can print money.  The government collected $2.4T and spent $3.6T.  They'll take what they get, of course, but if they had collected $2T or $3T you/they would not have noticed.  The country isn't a household, it is a bank, and as long as the rest of the world believes "we're good for it," then we a
1307984;1445804161;mircea_popescu;re.  When it decides otherwise, look out.  The US will go Lehman Brothers faster than you can say Bear Stearns."
1307985;1445804162;mircea_popescu;heh.
1307986;1445804302;ben_vulpes;mod6: decided to leave auto-seal-retrieval in there?
1307987;1445804323;mod6;yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
1307988;1445804328;ben_vulpes;ah
1307989;1445804332;mod6;as discussed before
1307990;1445804425;ben_vulpes;i saw stan barking about autoprocurement of things and must've misremembered
1307991;1445804571;mircea_popescu;so check!
1307992;1445804661;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307928 << how many lines is ~haskell itself~ ? and of what.
1307993;1445804661;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 19:22:13; mats: ben_vulpes has briefly mentioned before, but: window system in haskell in 1200 lines https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad
1307994;1445804667;asciilifeform;THIS MATTERS for fuck's sake
1307995;1445804674;asciilifeform;is it so hard to grasp..?
1307996;1445804695;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i did! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2015#1303531
1307997;1445804695;assbot;Logged on 20-10-2015 17:04:18; mircea_popescu: well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow.
1307998;1445804714;mod6;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296530 && http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296543
1307999;1445804714;assbot;Logged on 11-10-2015 23:47:42; mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
1308000;1445804714;assbot;Logged on 12-10-2015 00:20:41; assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure.  The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
1308001;1445804728;jurov;"the Glasgow Haskell compiler is written in Haskell: a 100,000-line application. "
1308002;1445804746;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sure and how many lines is sbcl, and what is it written in?
1308003;1445804795;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sbcl is an interesting beast. there are really two compilers (and before anyone asks, their semantic idempotence is neither proven nor provable) - a bootstrapper, in c, and a battlefield variant, in itself.
1308004;1445804801;mircea_popescu;it is written in unmovable half ton steel cabinets, which makes it ok.
1308005;1445804809;asciilifeform;mno that was zetalisp.
1308006;1445804815;mircea_popescu;aok
1308007;1445804842;mircea_popescu;so i could wipe this thinkpad and put lispos on it ?
1308008;1445804859;asciilifeform;in principle! some schmuck actually ported sbcl to x86 'bare arse'
1308009;1445804860;ben_vulpes;nah you'll have to buy the same computer that gabriel_laddel has
1308010;1445804876;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so it's not really half ton unmovable cabinets.
1308011;1445804880;mircea_popescu;they're movable in that they don't exiswt.
1308012;1445804882;asciilifeform;but you would actually have to buy the same computer he had
1308013;1445804883;asciilifeform;(1990s)
1308014;1445804903;asciilifeform;this is a result of the tower of babel situation re: pc hardware, rather than anything else.
1308015;1445804906;ben_vulpes;iirc he's targeting something you can buy from dell today.
1308016;1445804919;asciilifeform;dell today, gone tomorrow
1308017;1445804924;mircea_popescu;^
1308018;1445804927;asciilifeform;sop.
1308019;1445804934;ben_vulpes;and with your combined mirrors...
1308020;1445804935;mircea_popescu;one carly fiorina away from falling in the shitter./
1308021;1445804941;ben_vulpes;"w0nder twin powers, activate!"
1308022;1445804946;asciilifeform;i have opteron boxes from dell. afaik even this is out of print.
1308023;1445804988;*;ben_vulpes eagerly awaits mslinux
1308024;1445805024;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307946 << no upheaval because there is not the vaguest inkling of a threat of anything like a robotic replacement for chix
1308025;1445805024;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 19:38:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307775 << 0 upheaval. what fucking upheaval ?
1308026;1445805054;mircea_popescu;are you kidding ? "chix" in the sense of "out of the street human female" were replaced cca 2005.
1308027;1445805064;mircea_popescu;who wants "a woman" ? nobody.
1308028;1445805070;asciilifeform;plenty of folks
1308029;1445805073;mircea_popescu;not so.
1308030;1445805080;mircea_popescu;the poor arab beta boys want a RICH woman.
1308031;1445805082;asciilifeform;they just 'aren't people' on mircea_popescu's planet
1308032;1445805089;mircea_popescu;but the woman is an unwelcome addition to the resources.
1308033;1445805099;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, people want a teenager.
1308034;1445805106;asciilifeform;homo redditicus would kill worlds for one, no ?
1308035;1445805129;mircea_popescu;"woman" as in, overweight, with college debt, with bad habits, with the entire baggage of having watched as much as 5 mionutes of for-women tv is worth less than a pig.
1308036;1445805133;mircea_popescu;no.
1308037;1445805152;mircea_popescu;if homo redditicus would pay as much as five borrowed dollars for "a woman" the us would look like argentina.
1308038;1445805160;asciilifeform;for the bloke with bad-habits, baggage, debt, tv - what other thing is possible ?
1308039;1445805167;mircea_popescu;but this is what "a woman" means.
1308040;1445805172;mircea_popescu;she literally can't add.
1308041;1445805181;jurov;reddit dudes are fighting to get women? that's new for me
1308042;1445805188;jurov;asciilifeform: for any example?
1308043;1445805193;jurov;*got any example
1308044;1445805197;asciilifeform;jurov: they are not, strictly speaking
1308045;1445805200;mircea_popescu;jurov the only example i can think of is bingoboingo's fake story
1308046;1445805208;asciilifeform;any more than the ants in your cellar are 'fighting to take your house'
1308047;1445805220;mircea_popescu;and notice that it was interestinfg to them PRECISELY because a) he did what they don't do (go for a woman) and b) it blew up in a way threy like.
1308048;1445805270;mircea_popescu;the only marketable xx item in the us is, "15 yo runaway".
1308049;1445805273;mircea_popescu;otherwise, no.
1308050;1445805282;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307955 << it isn't a pure matter of joules, on account of envirowhinerism being a thing. also gotta have 'sufficiently low sulfur' etc.
1308051;1445805282;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 19:56:22; ben_vulpes: is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
1308052;1445805291;asciilifeform;at least for usa/eu markets
1308053;1445805304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is on account of refineries being pipes, with turns.
1308054;1445805312;asciilifeform;this also.
1308055;1445805313;mircea_popescu;that's all there is. now you gotta know an infinity about the fluid.
1308056;1445805343;mircea_popescu;so there's epicly many layers to it.
1308057;1445805362;asciilifeform;this is even (especially?) a problem for coal. if you have noncombustibles in there (and, increasingly, you do) you get ruined furnace, downtime, outages.
1308058;1445805387;mircea_popescu;they actually have a liquefaction process (in the civilised world, not in the us) that significantly reduces the intellectual relevancy of this
1308059;1445805401;asciilifeform;fischer-tropsch is back in fashion ?!
1308060;1445805408;mircea_popescu;but one thing people DO NOT appreciate is that if i had to find the "lost meta-engineers" alf wants to have been in software\
1308061;1445805418;mircea_popescu;they are probably mostly oenologizing oil.
1308062;1445805424;asciilifeform;as they were in 1944.
1308063;1445805426;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform muchly improved.
1308064;1445805433;mircea_popescu;as they were ever since 1885 or so
1308065;1445805434;asciilifeform;aha, catalysts have come a long way.
1308066;1445805435;jurov;asciilifeform: stuff like hydrocracking
1308067;1445805473;*;asciilifeform admits to quietly following this subject
1308068;1445805500;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307976 << this looks spiffy but what is a cucumber test ?
1308069;1445805500;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 20:03:56; mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000174.html
1308070;1445805504;mircea_popescu;incidentally, THIS is where good math would show before biotech
1308071;1445805508;mircea_popescu;and they mostly don't have it even here.
1308072;1445805562;mod6;asciilifeform: Cucumber tests are automated tests that will run specified scenarios against v.pl and assert various outcomes.  [cucumber.io]
1308073;1445805571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. new catalyst takes perhaps a day to try.
1308074;1445805582;asciilifeform;(vs a protein-diddler)
1308075;1445805584;mircea_popescu;more importantly : have you tried it ?
1308076;1445805596;mircea_popescu;how do you know when you've tried it ? what shape was it ? etc.
1308077;1445805598;mod6;For instance, I assert all of the appropriate antecedents and decendants for each vpatch, etc.
1308078;1445805600;asciilifeform;aha.
1308079;1445805602;mircea_popescu;much easier to approach, and still hanging.
1308080;1445805611;asciilifeform;mod6: neato
1308081;1445805629;mircea_popescu;it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6
1308082;1445805642;mircea_popescu;i've been learning a lot watching :D
1308083;1445805647;asciilifeform;mod6: one aspect which i never fully fleshed out imho needs some thought: when the thing is hooked to a live wwwtron, what is to stop idiots from tossing in arbitrary signed crud from #b-a logs into it ?
1308084;1445805665;mircea_popescu;i thought we had a header
1308085;1445805666;mod6;i like it a lot. its sort of too bad that the step definitions behind the "gherkin" or cucumber scenarios are written in Perl, python may have been easier for people to digest.  But I'm not as up too par on that.
1308086;1445805674;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what header
1308087;1445805680;asciilifeform;diff's header ?
1308088;1445805685;mircea_popescu;omg have i hallucinated yes
1308089;1445805693;mod6;Ruby or others can be used as well...and I've only just started using Ruby as well. (which makes me feel dirty lol)
1308090;1445805699;asciilifeform;plenty of things that don't belong (e.g., nonvdiffs, vdiffs that were not meant for use in anger) have same header.
1308091;1445805701;punkman;asciilifeform: well for deedbot I hashed and checked for dupes
1308092;1445805709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would that be in "random signed crud" ?
1308093;1445805718;asciilifeform;'random' is overstatement.
1308094;1445805719;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6 << thx!
1308095;1445805728;mircea_popescu;so then no, this is policy.
1308096;1445805738;mircea_popescu;do not sign in the manner of v stuff you don't intend to be in v
1308097;1445805740;mircea_popescu;or else it's your ass.
1308098;1445805749;asciilifeform;point is that a malefactor could probably find something public with which to create headache if the mechanism 'takes anything signed like-so'
1308099;1445805763;mircea_popescu;why, because things are signed by rabid yaks ?
1308100;1445805788;asciilifeform;ideally not.
1308101;1445805800;mircea_popescu;so do not do that!
1308102;1445805801;asciilifeform;but my current thought is that antipatches will have to be a thing, yes.
1308103;1445805808;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1308104;1445805810;asciilifeform;e.g. funkenstein's latest patch will need an antipatch
1308105;1445805818;mircea_popescu;no it won't. his branch will be ignored.
1308106;1445805818;asciilifeform;(if his key remains in play)
1308107;1445805821;asciilifeform;^
1308108;1445805829;mircea_popescu;this is why mod6's leafing is important.
1308109;1445805848;asciilifeform;but if funkenstein learns the ropes and remains a contributor, he will need to antipatch himself.
1308110;1445805856;mircea_popescu;"you can fuck up at most once per trb release"
1308111;1445805873;mod6;yeah.  that patch won't be added into the mirror.  now if someone wants to try out his patch locally, they'll have to pull his vpatch, and add his key to the wot manually and then see what happens if they want to press out a branch that includes that vpatch.
1308112;1445805902;mircea_popescu;^
1308113;1445805910;mircea_popescu;splendid design like that, what's wrong with it.
1308114;1445805919;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307987 << this is the right thing.
1308115;1445805919;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 20:18:43; mod6: yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
1308116;1445805930;mircea_popescu;right.
1308117;1445805933;asciilifeform;the only item that requires manual handling in a correct vtron is keys.
1308118;1445805957;mircea_popescu;you must also be able to describe which "version" you aim.
1308119;1445805970;asciilifeform;naturally
1308120;1445805975;mircea_popescu;well that solves it then.
1308121;1445805983;asciilifeform;(considering that there is not a meaningful default for it, even in principle)
1308122;1445805995;mircea_popescu;exactly. more importantly considering what this gives us :
1308123;1445806040;mircea_popescu;99c53387aa14a176190880cb00c97fc950133f5af10f3ac is "gimp-v1.0" whereas 9cfb1fc045b401102d02b4ddf581efc7d84e810df28bf80 is "bitcoin v 1.8"
1308124;1445806045;mircea_popescu;and i can even use the same trusted set of keys.
1308125;1445806051;mircea_popescu;and it will know what to pull from either chain
1308126;1445806071;mircea_popescu;ye ken ?
1308127;1445806075;asciilifeform;naturally
1308128;1445806092;mircea_popescu;and if key X took a fart in gimp-v-0.9 big deal, this won't see it anyway.
1308129;1445806097;asciilifeform;it'll be more of a thing once we get the sha1 out of the loop though.
1308130;1445806101;mircea_popescu;yes.
1308131;1445806115;mircea_popescu;the huge problem tho, and im sure you have also been thinking on this on the quiet
1308132;1445806130;mircea_popescu;is that if you set it to what ? sha512 ? little alf v2.0 will come in here and fuck your skull in 20 years
1308133;1445806138;mircea_popescu;"oh how could you pick sha256!!1"
1308134;1445806139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i solved this.
1308135;1445806143;mircea_popescu;"simmer down wildman, it was GREAT in 2015!"
1308136;1445806147;mircea_popescu;"it's 2035 gramps!"
1308137;1445806149;asciilifeform;you will see how, and laugh, i predict.
1308138;1445806149;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1308139;1445806153;mircea_popescu;cool.
1308140;1445806204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298917 << thread where i sorta spilled the beans on this.
1308141;1445806204;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 20:12:02; asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
1308142;1445806232;mircea_popescu;aha you want it scriptable
1308143;1445806241;asciilifeform;yes.
1308144;1445806249;asciilifeform;no hardcoded algos, other than arithmetical. period.
1308145;1445806251;mircea_popescu;perhaps. i dun see it yet, but this is mostly because i am not a coder myself.
1308146;1445806333;*;mod6 thinks ont his
1308147;1445806338;asciilifeform;prototype is essentially an 'rpn calculator' where you can push bignums on the stack and instruction 0x01 --> 'pop two, multiply, push back' or 0x70 --> modular-exponentiate, etc.
1308148;1445806372;asciilifeform;the beauty is that with a few hundred bytes of overhead, it can eat standard gpg messages
1308149;1445806375;asciilifeform;(working on reducing this)
1308150;1445806377;mircea_popescu;if you are going to do this, you nut
1308151;1445806381;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not make the machine ternary.
1308152;1445806410;asciilifeform;gnarly on existing iron. doable
1308153;1445806412;*;asciilifeform experimented.
1308154;1445806415;mircea_popescu;who cares
1308155;1445806430;mircea_popescu;so you mean my p4 will take 0.03 seconds instead of the 0.00007 ?
1308156;1445806430;asciilifeform;cause all of a sudden a shr or shl is O(N) !
1308157;1445806432;mircea_popescu;omaigerd.
1308158;1445806435;asciilifeform;you wanne live with that?
1308159;1445806438;mircea_popescu;what bytes ? i have 2jiggabits free
1308160;1445806446;asciilifeform;time dimension.
1308161;1445806449;mircea_popescu;you do not use shr or shl. you use proper algos.
1308162;1445806456;asciilifeform;and they are made of what?
1308163;1445806460;mircea_popescu;does trinary suck ?
1308164;1445806466;asciilifeform;on a binary machine? yes
1308165;1445806475;mircea_popescu;why is this a binary machine ?
1308166;1445806499;asciilifeform;to be clear, i was speaking of emulated computer, not a physical one
1308167;1445806509;mircea_popescu;i understand that. why is this machine of mine binary!
1308168;1445806510;asciilifeform;given that i presently lack a fab
1308169;1445806519;mircea_popescu;if i put two registers together, have i now made a trinary register ?
1308170;1445806578;asciilifeform;take a sharp pencil and work out how base-n arithmetic is done on a base-m box.
1308171;1445806583;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the technical talk, understand the high level strategic considerations.
1308172;1445806584;asciilifeform;and what this costs.
1308173;1445806592;mircea_popescu;IF we are ever going to do this, THIS is the place to test it.
1308174;1445806609;mircea_popescu;the value is relatively small - oh noes, enemy is gonna mess up our code ? so yoy mean like on github ?!
1308175;1445806621;mircea_popescu;the damage is immense - imagine, now they gotta learn ternary to even approach this!
1308176;1445806636;mircea_popescu;find a way to do it in ternary you won a major engagement.
1308177;1445806703;*;asciilifeform admits that he was very tempted to do precisely this. but went in for 'absolute minimum of moving parts' for the current experimental item, for reasons which are not difficult to understand
1308178;1445806721;mircea_popescu;i can see the logic, yes
1308179;1445806725;mircea_popescu;but this logic is better!
1308180;1445806734;asciilifeform;aha but now can't use bignum stack from pgp 1.4, etc.
1308181;1445806741;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1308182;1445806751;mircea_popescu;stop telling me "can't" you'll get yourself fired
1308183;1445806756;asciilifeform;because this is no longer emulating an ideal ternary box
1308184;1445806758;mircea_popescu;what sort of job reversal is this!
1308185;1445806767;asciilifeform;it'd be 'cheating'
1308186;1445806774;mircea_popescu;so cheat.
1308187;1445806799;asciilifeform;then in what sense is the result 'emulated ternary box' ?
1308188;1445806812;asciilifeform;simply that we're encoding constants as ternaries ?
1308189;1445806827;mircea_popescu;ideally that the algos are written for a ternary box
1308190;1445806833;mircea_popescu;which is then WELL emulated on binary box.
1308191;1445806833;asciilifeform;my understanding was that mircea_popescu is asking for a virtual version of something that could later be siliconized.
1308192;1445806840;mircea_popescu;yup
1308193;1445806893;jurov;why not just use urbit, gotta stand on shoulder of giants :D
1308194;1445806900;mircea_popescu;word :D
1308195;1445806902;asciilifeform;anyway it is inevitable that there will be multiple generations of this. it is a very thick mental cock that folks will have to slowly and methodically dilate for before it can fully park.
1308196;1445806929;mircea_popescu;yep.
1308197;1445806944;mircea_popescu;just gotta get clear where it's headed and what we want.
1308198;1445806948;asciilifeform;i can already picture the reaction folks will have to my sha512 that takes 10,001 times longer than the customary one
1308199;1445806953;mircea_popescu;fuck them
1308200;1445806970;mircea_popescu;i can already picture the reaction "folks" will have to anything, from you going naked in the street to you making chirality engine.
1308201;1445806973;mircea_popescu;forget about that.
1308202;1445806985;mircea_popescu;and stop spamming wikipedia or what was it.
1308203;1445806993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37630 @ 0.00053988 = 20.3157 BTC [+] {3} 
1308204;1445806993;asciilifeform;lolwat
1308205;1445807001;mircea_popescu;didn't you get banned for spamming something or the other
1308206;1445807005;mircea_popescu;stackoverflow ?
1308207;1445807023;asciilifeform;bunchaplaces. but it was always 'we oughta ban' vs. proper ban
1308208;1445807029;asciilifeform;(perhaps tlp could ascertain exactly why)
1308209;1445807041;asciilifeform;i suppose even this gets 'meta'-d
1308210;1445807042;mircea_popescu;i rcall one ridiculous instance was something about i dunno, b-a related somehow
1308211;1445807055;asciilifeform;it was when some schmuck made a page on mircea_popescu at pediwikia
1308212;1445807057;mircea_popescu;the specifics escape me. burt anyway
1308213;1445807066;mircea_popescu;oh! that it was!
1308214;1445807078;mircea_popescu;see ?
1308215;1445807109;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to do some maths
1308216;1445807293;mircea_popescu;for bonus points : shoots all possible intel "optimization" in the head
1308217;1445807301;mircea_popescu;with a caterpillar combine.
1308218;1445807340;mircea_popescu;this, even if only prototyped, is well in excess of a billion dollars in nsa budget costs. which is, and will for a while be, quite sufficident.
1308219;1445807381;mircea_popescu;or as usgavin_fucktardessen would say, "i always advocated engagement".
1308220;1445807616;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/hot_sports_reporter_ines_sainz.html << daily tlp win.
1308221;1445807618;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hot Sports Reporter Ines Sainz Was Sexually Harassed ... ( http://bit.ly/1MkAiBg )
1308222;1445807621;mircea_popescu;"What you want is to be able to behave sexy, or rude, or ridiculous, or offensive-- and still demand to be seen the way you want to be seen.
1308223;1445807621;mircea_popescu;It may be unfair, but it is the most important fact of human existence: people exist independently of you."
1308224;1445808330;mircea_popescu;Note the power set up.  All you fools think that female reporters are in the locker rooms because it is some sort of measure of equality, "why should the males get the best interviews?" that this is somehow a success for equality, something that women had to struggle to earn, and you think that because you were told that.
1308225;1445808330;mircea_popescu;Women didn't earn this over the resistance of an old boy network; the media conglomerates decided it would be awesome to televise a hyperfemale in a locker room with a nearly naked hypermale and pretend there's no sexuality implied.  So anything that goes wrong is between individuals, nothing to do with the Machine.
1308226;1445808330;mircea_popescu;CFNM, right there on ESPN.
1308227;1445808332;mircea_popescu;mmmmyeah.
1308228;1445809121;jurov;http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/10/this-11-year-old-is-selling-cryptographically-secure-passwords-for-2-each/
1308229;1445809122;assbot;This 11-year-old is selling cryptographically secure passwords for $2 each | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xse2r3 )
1308230;1445809130;jurov;now that's business
1308231;1445809215;trinque;As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma!
1308232;1445809294;mircea_popescu;younger than usagi
1308233;1445809301;mircea_popescu;anyone recall that idiot's business idea ?
1308234;1445809618;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2013#58527 << this thing?
1308235;1445809618;assbot;Logged on 28-05-2013 04:34:42; usagi: Everything TU.SILVER does is better than any other similar business in the community, and I guarantee it will be that way forever, because, I have my legacy to consider
1308236;1445809722;mod6;<+trinque> As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma! << haha
1308237;1445809852;mircea_popescu;nono
1308238;1445809865;mircea_popescu;he had a "business" to make 8kb or larger rsa keys for "Cusomers"
1308239;1445810152;mircea_popescu;"And you need not go further than one of our stores on midnight at the end of the month. And it's real interesting to watch, about 11 p.m., customers start to come in and shop, fill their grocery basket with basic items, baby formula, milk, bread, eggs,and continue to shop and mill about the store until midnight, when electronic -- government electronic benefits cards get activated and then the checkout starts and occu
1308240;1445810152;mircea_popescu;rs. And our sales for those first few hours on the first of the month are substantially and significantly higher."
1308241;1445810158;mircea_popescu;^ walmart ceo
1308242;1445810717;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1308243;1445810717;mircea_popescu;"The global capitalist system is approaching an apocalyptic zero point... comprised by an ecological crisis, the consequences of a biogenetic revolution, imbalances within the system itself, and the explosive growth of social divisions and exclusions."
1308244;1445810763;mircea_popescu;gotta hand it to the socialist mind. after having spent 50 years explaining how the predictable, obvious and necessary failures of both socialist systems seen to date "aren't really failures of socialism - because the nazis were evil and stalin was wrong),
1308245;1445810796;mircea_popescu;now they move on to pretending like the failure of the third attempt as socialism was really called for no reason "capitalism" and lo and behold, socialism failing EVEN WHEN IT MASQUERADES AS CAPITALISM proves ~capitalism~ doesn't work.
1308246;1445810818;mircea_popescu;there's a reason socialism is the ideology of the stupid, and it's this sorta fatlogic
1308247;1445810884;mircea_popescu;"hey, i didn't lose any weight on that mcdonalds diet - because corporations are evil ; nor when i went to that magical fairy wicca woman, because she was a scammer. but it didn't even work while i was PRETENDING to be working out while watching chicks work out on tv! clearly dieting doesn' work! certainly being fat is the natural state of stupid people!"
1308248;1445810887;mircea_popescu;yey, certainly.
1308249;1445810952;mircea_popescu;capitalims got you from where your president couldn't afford to pay the bill to stay in a hotel in Europe, so he had to stay in the stable section of a cheap inn, to where you could derp about how things should be. it works.
1308250;1445810962;mircea_popescu;what doesn't work is you derping about how things shiould be. never has. never will.
1308251;1445811644;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/the_legend_of_steven_colbert.html << incidentally, this colbert incident should be studied - STUDIED, like i studied fucking seinfeld - by anyone aspiring to any sort of political (as opposed to technical) involvement in bitcoin.
1308252;1445811646;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Legend Of Steven Colbert ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPQvbZ )
1308253;1445811681;mircea_popescu;the tv personality went there AS A TV PERSONALITY, to confront the other tv personalities. because that's what everyone in congress is : a b lister, of dubious talent, coming not from central casting but from ballot casting.
1308254;1445811711;mircea_popescu;and he told them exactly what you'd expect : my magic is more powerful than your magic, notwithstanding that your magic contains a statement of its own all-powerfullness and my magic doies not. this is not the criteria.
1308255;1445811736;mircea_popescu;the fact that i get a seat at the table and you have to wait for the reporters to invite you in, that's the criteria.
1308256;1445811746;mircea_popescu;butthurt the hell out of the "system", too.
1308257;1445811784;mircea_popescu;  "I think his testimony was not appropriate,"
1308258;1445811848;mircea_popescu;but what difference does it make what a senator [says he] thinks ?
1308259;1445811961;mircea_popescu;(and, note, colber's power has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with "TV" in the sense of "system". the franchises use actors in masks now, because they want to keep the copyrights, it's their "Character"| and why should an actor get to own the face of their character. but colbert is not that. so, no, it's not the system.)
1308260;1445812054;mircea_popescu;"From this very clear description of the problem comes the most terrible solution imaginable: let's go back to the authoritarian approach." << exactly. there is a reason the schelling points of failing socialism are always PERSONS. you don't like colbert, pick another Dear Leader. what you can not do is go all "country of laws not men", that's dead.
1308261;1445812768;mircea_popescu;and so you know, there's a b lister that's kinda half-black or whatever, from kenya. nobody cares. get all agitated when carson v2.0 turns out to be black.
1308262;1445812779;mircea_popescu;that's why chris rock / chapelle were so important. they didn't make it tho.
1308263;1445813218;pete_dushenski;greetings and salutations !
1308264;1445813298;pete_dushenski;i see that there's a modest pile of logs and quite a bit more trilema to catch up on.
1308265;1445813344;pete_dushenski;j'espere que vous avez tous passez une belle fin de semaine
1308266;1445813350;jurov;plus #eulora. plus btc-dev mailing list. plus tlp. plus....
1308267;1445813382;pete_dushenski;i spent the who weekend speaking french so i'm still thinking in it lol
1308268;1445813387;pete_dushenski;whole*
1308269;1445813408;pete_dushenski;jurov: it never ends !
1308270;1445813420;mircea_popescu;jurov ikr ? i've been spamming the shit out of tlp, but the truth is it's a much more convenient format than trying to make all thgese half and quarter articles into trilema items.
1308271;1445813431;pete_dushenski;not that i'm looking for it to end, mind oyu
1308272;1445813436;mircea_popescu;for that matter - im almost done with 2010, there's only ~4 years left, i should hope im done this month.
1308273;1445813505;mircea_popescu;i do however hold all these as conversation openers, if anyone ever feels like delving into one of the articles etc i'll be happy to hear the conversations. truth is digesting tlp will take more than just this.
1308274;1445813580;mircea_popescu;this incident aside, the cultural production of b-a/b,tmsr~/the cult/however you wish to call it is both scary and exploding on an exponential. i dunno how we'll cope.
1308275;1445813581;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: going through tlp that methodically and chronologically is sure to yield an interesting unfolding of intellectual development. it'd be pretty well impossible to do with with trilema unless one also spoke ro, but even just the last three years of reading would be a hell of a journey/mindtrip
1308276;1445813604;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski unlike in the case of tlp, i'm also here to scream back.
1308277;1445813619;mircea_popescu;imagine how the past two weeks would have looked like if ballas was actually up there in the wot.
1308278;1445813620;pete_dushenski;too true
1308279;1445813651;pete_dushenski;you think it'd be that different ? he doesn't seem like much of a boxer
1308280;1445813668;pete_dushenski;would prolly read comments and say "yup, point taken
1308281;1445813669;pete_dushenski;"
1308282;1445813690;mircea_popescu;how wopuld one know.
1308283;1445813702;pete_dushenski;based on comments on tlp.com ?
1308284;1445813843;mircea_popescu;mebbe so huh.
1308285;1445813850;mircea_popescu;i confess i almost never read the comments.
1308286;1445814039;mircea_popescu;for the random pile of asciilifeform's aftermarket shocks : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/09/fanapt_deconstructing_a_promot.html
1308287;1445814040;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Fanapt: Deconstructing A Promotional Slide Deck ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrjOVw )
1308288;1445814053;pete_dushenski;ballas isn't even fiesty nor viligent enough to block spam from coming through. "hermes bags! cheap jeans!" abound.
1308289;1445814064;mircea_popescu;turns out fanapt has 5ht7 activity, afaik tlp is right : unique to this drug
1308290;1445814165;pete_dushenski;and then there's the plain bizarre comments such as "Am the happiest woman on earth,, my husband just called me this mornings after divorcing for another woman going to 6Months with the help of this man i met on this site please help me to thank him and the author of this site his name is Dr Aida Wedo His phone number is +2348115436578 his email is africanvoodoorituals@gmail.com my name is William Sarah am from
1308291;1445814166;pete_dushenski;Ohio Thank you very much for your help"
1308292;1445814305;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1307034 << sounds about right for a man this comfortable with his alcoholism and at the age where he'd have the perspective to recognise it as such
1308293;1445814305;assbot;Logged on 24-10-2015 19:40:09; mircea_popescu: in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
1308294;1445814412;pete_dushenski;much younger and he's just 'enjoying life', much older and he wouldn't be blogging.
1308295;1445814520;mircea_popescu;guess so.
1308296;1445814566;pete_dushenski;convenient ex post narrative but hey, why not
1308297;1445815087;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: didja drop tlp an email then ?
1308298;1445815092;mircea_popescu;yea
1308299;1445815143;pete_dushenski;just invite him here or... ?
1308300;1445817211;mircea_popescu;!up pf2k
1308301;1445817973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59615 @ 0.00053797 = 32.0711 BTC [-] {3} 
1308302;1445818766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00054596 = 17.9621 BTC [+] {3} 
1308303;1445818869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l re: the prolactin
1308304;1445818883;asciilifeform;phun exercise: loop up what prolactin ~inhibitors~ do in human male.
1308305;1445818887;asciilifeform;*look up
1308306;1445818981;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, gabriel_laddel ^
1308307;1445819010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17710 @ 0.00054603 = 9.6702 BTC [+] {2} 
1308308;1445819198;BingoBoingo;lol
1308309;1445819352;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1308259 << pet sayeth: 'how does mircea_popescu square his masked-superhero-for-fungibility theory with the fact that the actors appear maskless for long stretches of any one of these films ?'
1308310;1445819352;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 22:26:01; mircea_popescu: (and, note, colber's power has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with "TV" in the sense of "system". the franchises use actors in masks now, because they want to keep the copyrights, it's their "Character"| and why should an actor get to own the face of their character. but colbert is not that. so, no, it's not the system.)
1308311;1445819352;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1308312;1445819437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.0005479 = 24.3816 BTC [+] {2} 
1308313;1445819478;BingoBoingo;Well, they way they've handled it in the past is they just change actors and STFU. In the past 12 years the Hulk was Eric Bana, then it was Edward Norton, the Mark something or other. Cattle doesn't care.
1308314;1445819491;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1308238 << did he also offer a deflowering service ?
1308315;1445819491;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 21:51:05; mircea_popescu: he had a "business" to make 8kb or larger rsa keys for "Cusomers"
1308316;1445819520;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the theory was, iirc, 'audience won't notice because mask'
1308317;1445819553;BingoBoingo;Noticing happens in degrees.
1308318;1445819665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we did the entire male milking thing with bb a few months ago
1308319;1445819670;asciilifeform;nonono
1308320;1445819674;asciilifeform;~inhibitors~
1308321;1445819690;mircea_popescu;oh.
1308322;1445819694;asciilifeform;i won't spoil it, will let folks drop their jaws when they look up precisely what.
1308323;1445819719;mircea_popescu;ask pet how does she square the fact that women can't be seen without makeup/their pursew with the fact that most of their existence they spend without either ?
1308324;1445819723;mircea_popescu;"in public!!11"
1308325;1445819763;asciilifeform;speaking only of the particular pet, it is innocent of makeup, and has purse solely because pockets are not consistently implemented in woman's clothing
1308326;1445819777;mircea_popescu;what was it, impotence ?
1308327;1445819788;asciilifeform;nope.
1308328;1445819820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but the way this works isn't like the man in the iron mask. the way this works is to create a fetish of power. "why is X no longer Y ? how can Z become now Y ?" "it's the mask, stupid"
1308329;1445819824;asciilifeform;!s cabergoline
1308330;1445819824;assbot;0 results for 'cabergoline' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cabergoline
1308331;1445819832;asciilifeform;^ hm. looks like this one isn't in the logz!
1308332;1445819854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then - yes.
1308333;1445819856;asciilifeform;makes sense.
1308334;1445819864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14624 @ 0.00054742 = 8.0055 BTC [-]
1308335;1445819872;mircea_popescu;"Partial isolated prolactin deficiency is rare, and case reports of total isolated prolactin deficiency are rarer still and may have a genetic component (ie, familial puerperal alactogenesis). Although the endocrine and metabolic function of prolactin is not fully understood, the clinical manifestation of prolactin deficiency is probably limited to puerperal alactogenesis." << sayeth Charles T Benson, MD, PhD
1308336;1445819875;asciilifeform;aka 'salute the uniform, not the man.'
1308337;1445819887;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is re: females
1308338;1445819895;asciilifeform;notice 'alactogenesis'
1308339;1445819910;asciilifeform;the riddle concerned what it does in males.
1308340;1445819926;mircea_popescu;no refractory period ?
1308341;1445819931;*;mircea_popescu is left guessing
1308342;1445819931;asciilifeform;aha!
1308343;1445819935;asciilifeform;dingdingding
1308344;1445819936;asciilifeform;winner.
1308345;1445819938;mircea_popescu;o lol.
1308346;1445819944;mircea_popescu;this is NOT desirable tho
1308347;1445819949;asciilifeform;there ~is~ apparently an underground market in the drug
1308348;1445819964;asciilifeform;and in the other one, whose name escapes me, which ~doesn't~ also slowly atrophy your heart
1308349;1445820014;asciilifeform;but apparently (i have not verified this personally, nor do i intend to),
1308350;1445820030;asciilifeform;chemistry has an answer for 'i want a female orgasm damnit and fuck the consequences'
1308351;1445820057;mircea_popescu;i am satisfied that i have had rather female orgasms.
1308352;1445820068;mircea_popescu;the trick is, very well trained fellationist.
1308353;1445820123;asciilifeform;how many per minute.
1308354;1445820160;mircea_popescu;not how it works. the trick is very slow stimulation. takes the usual half hour
1308355;1445820192;mircea_popescu;after which you spend however long having lithe orgasms
1308356;1445820253;asciilifeform;at any rate, prolactin appears to be reused in the male as 'off switch.'
1308357;1445820261;asciilifeform;why - ask it, not me.
1308358;1445820962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81450 @ 0.00054083 = 44.0506 BTC [-] {2} 
1308359;1445822121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87592 @ 0.00053219 = 46.6156 BTC [-] {3} 
1308360;1445822182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12075 @ 0.00053171 = 6.4204 BTC [-] {2} 
1308361;1445822233;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1308362;1445822234;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 286.8, Best ask: 286.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 286.8, 24 hour volume: 37571.85862019, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1308363;1445822378;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1308364;1445822384;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 285.09, vol: 30655.51471028 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 276.625, vol: 10094.93123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 286.5, vol: 37571.85862019 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 274.09, vol: 0.72974198 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.6367, vol: 63823.40580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 284.40969, vol: 113.93651011 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 273.3704, vol: 135.06881874 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1308365;1445822386;BingoBoingo;;;more
1308366;1445822386;gribble;288.680941668
1308367;1445822673;*;asciilifeform l0lz at the fact that one can get a usg mil-std portable for < 300 usd new
1308368;1445824683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40532 @ 0.0005395 = 21.867 BTC [+] {2} 
1308369;1445824927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00053156 = 49.2756 BTC [-] {2} 
1308370;1445825069;kakobrekla;url?
1308371;1445825183;asciilifeform;of what?
1308372;1445825247;kakobrekla;you speak of computer no?
1308373;1445825265;asciilifeform;aha
1308374;1445825294;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1308375;1445825297;gribble;Current Blocks: 380564 | Current Difficulty: 6.088382548009828E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 381023 | Next Difficulty In: 459 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1308376;1445825323;asciilifeform;dell's 'chromebook 11'. but keep in mind 1) it requires heavy-duty massage to transform into something like a civilized pc and 2) 'mil-std' is not 'stops rifle bullet' but simply means it passed some degree of traditional vibration, dust, water tortures.
1308377;1445825332;asciilifeform;and has rubber all over it.
1308378;1445825339;kakobrekla;all i need to know.
1308379;1445825350;asciilifeform;this one's an intel box.
1308380;1445825366;asciilifeform;(the chrome-widgets come in two varieties, arm and intel)
1308381;1445825379;asciilifeform;out of the box they are quite useless, a kind of 'webtv'
1308382;1445825383;asciilifeform;(for those who remember 1990s)
1308383;1445825422;asciilifeform;these have the distinction of being riotously cheap - no microshit tax in the price.
1308384;1445825445;asciilifeform;for some years i have experiment, on and off, with transforming them into something like a computer
1308385;1445825449;asciilifeform;with variable success.
1308386;1445825470;asciilifeform;(e.g., i had a vivisected arm chromebook with me in romania, as disposable comp.)
1308387;1445825591;Zuardi;asciilifeform do you use crouton or have replaced the webtv completely?
1308388;1445825695;asciilifeform;Zuardi: generally you gotta use crouton to reflash the rom in. after that, proper linux.
1308389;1445825711;asciilifeform;Zuardi: depending on whether you have the patience, you can use 'buildroot' or similar to cook one.
1308390;1445825733;Zuardi;asciilifeform I have a samsung arm one, but still using crouton
1308391;1445825733;asciilifeform;also typically there is a write-protect jumper on the eeprom in the box, that has to be removed.
1308392;1445825772;asciilifeform;i have the early samsung arm box, and a few others
1308393;1445825781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33458 @ 0.00053059 = 17.7525 BTC [-] {3} 
1308394;1445825786;kakobrekla;so mil chromebooks server as disposable terminals? how could those nettops be used for anything anyway?
1308395;1445825793;kakobrekla;serve*
1308396;1445825795;asciilifeform;the jumper in the samsung is a circular sticker of conductive rubber in the upper edge of the mb
1308397;1445825811;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the dell is a normal intel box inside, just with weird bios.
1308398;1445825868;asciilifeform;what, if anything, in your household calls for one of these things, i cannot say.
1308399;1445825870;kakobrekla;what, a closed turd from google?
1308400;1445825876;asciilifeform;aha! how'd you guess.
1308401;1445825884;asciilifeform;to add insult to injury, gentoo-based!
1308402;1445825903;asciilifeform;(google uses the gpl as a urinal and has, for years. this is not, i think, a secret.)
1308403;1445825930;kakobrekla;so ms will control the govts and google the mil
1308404;1445826001;asciilifeform;google just makes the firmware for these, as i understand.
1308405;1445826025;kakobrekla;just?
1308406;1445826029;asciilifeform;aha
1308407;1445826035;asciilifeform;it isn't a hardware co.
1308408;1445826051;kakobrekla;firmware so innocent.
1308409;1445826086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00053233 = 4.4183 BTC [+]
1308410;1445826095;asciilifeform;anyway 1st step to using one of these boxes as something like a computer is reformat, naturally.
1308411;1445826256;asciilifeform;but use case is pretty narrow.
1308412;1445826310;asciilifeform;('need a computer, that is lightweight, but for taking to a place where it is likely to grow legs, e.g., airport)
1308413;1445826362;asciilifeform;they also work ok for running lab instruments (laser, cnc, etc) while taking minimal desk space.
1308414;1445826444;asciilifeform;i cannot recommend them (or any other intel box) for 'airgapped crypto', missile control, reactor, etc.
1308415;1445826452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00052726 = 37.4355 BTC [-] {3} 
1308416;1445828587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00052495 = 49.3453 BTC [-] {3} 
1308417;1445828720;mircea_popescu;!up mitch_callahan
1308418;1445828724;mircea_popescu;!up kdomanski
1308419;1445828772;mitch_callahan;ay yo I'm just lurkin. :)
1308420;1445829262;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
1308421;1445829539;mitch_callahan;always do.  I've got far too many logs to catch up on!
1308422;1445831084;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> (google uses the gpl as a urinal and has, for years. this is not, i think, a secret.) << "don't be evil"!11
1308423;1445831141;mircea_popescu;but anyway, anyone harassed (do they still do that ?) by gpl weirdos over internet-legalese, point to google, laugh.
1308424;1445831393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52130 @ 0.00053052 = 27.656 BTC [+]
1308425;1445831576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123445 @ 0.00053148 = 65.6085 BTC [+] {3} 
1308426;1445833650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86959 @ 0.00052883 = 45.9865 BTC [-] {4} 
1308427;1445834282;BingoBoingo;"She animatedly tells a story about a recent Tinder rendezvous: �One time, I agreed to meet with this guy at 8 or 9 at night. Before we met, I said to him, �This is the work I do, I know the chief of police ... so, don't try and get creepy; I know all my rights.� And five minutes later, he was like, �Actually, I'm really not OK with how you just assume I'm a bad guy. And I get very bad vibes from that, so we shouldn't hang
1308428;1445834282;BingoBoingo; out anymore.��" http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/10/hooking-up-when-youre-an-anti-rape-activist.html
1308429;1445834283;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7QWCe )
1308430;1445834443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189600 @ 0.00052605 = 99.7391 BTC [-] {7} 
1308431;1445836691;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.53394513 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b16
1308432;1445836692;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1210/bitcoin-to-drop-under-190-before-jan-2016/#b14
1308433;1445836787;BingoBoingo;Someone's hedging their bets
1308434;1445839384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00053384 = 20.1525 BTC [+] {2} 
1308435;1445839816;punkman;http://www.cam.ac.uk/news/the-old-romantics-locked-in-the-library-tower
1308436;1445839817;assbot;The old romantics locked in the library tower | University of Cambridge ... ( http://bit.ly/1k41gjC )
1308437;1445840116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00053245 = 38.7091 BTC [-] {3} 
1308438;1445840909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89751 @ 0.00053481 = 47.9997 BTC [+] {4} 
1308439;1445842251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14277 @ 0.00053422 = 7.6271 BTC [-] {2} 
1308440;1445842556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00053699 = 18.2577 BTC [+] {2} 
1308441;1445842864;punkman;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/26/world/europe/russian-presence-near-undersea-cables-concerns-us.html
1308442;1445842867;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GCinn8 )
1308443;1445844081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49064 @ 0.00053699 = 26.3469 BTC [+] {2} 
1308444;1445844447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0005381 = 12.9682 BTC [+] {2} 
1308445;1445846277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 364029 @ 0.00053071 = 193.1938 BTC [-] {6} 
1308446;1445846897;mircea_popescu;anyopne have any inkling of an idea as to why i might have registered f9beb4d9.org ?
1308447;1445846913;mircea_popescu;it feels like an inside joke that i meanwhile forgot.
1308448;1445847039;punkman;!search f9beb4d9*
1308449;1445847040;assbot;36 results for 'f9beb4d9*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=f9beb4d9%2A
1308450;1445847111;punkman;hash of original 0.5.3 source perhaps
1308451;1445847119;mircea_popescu;da fuck is thios
1308452;1445847162;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#909099
1308453;1445847162;assbot;Logged on 04-11-2014 05:33:25; ben_vulpes: bitcoin network message header bytes
1308454;1445847306;punkman;http://hyperallergic.com/167446/an-artist-residency-inside-the-hidden-world-of-a-cargo-ship/ for any aspiring artists around here
1308455;1445847307;assbot;An Artist Residency Aboard a Cargo Ship ... ( http://bit.ly/1jKtoJ4 )
1308456;1445847390;mircea_popescu;aaaaahhh
1308457;1445847394;mircea_popescu;ty!
1308458;1445847619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00052408 = 24.0291 BTC [-]
1308459;1445848000;mircea_popescu;in other news : permanent installation. http://ftm-slave.tumblr.com/post/131211969929/deliciae-delectae-englishbondage-permanent
1308460;1445848001;assbot;Untitled ... ( http://bit.ly/1jKuF2J )
1308461;1445848290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22921 @ 0.00052408 = 12.0124 BTC [-]
1308462;1445848778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00053373 = 31.2499 BTC [+]
1308463;1445849327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00053373 = 27.9941 BTC [+]
1308464;1445849937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00053506 = 28.7862 BTC [+] {2} 
1308465;1445851279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00053084 = 47.9349 BTC [-] {2} 
1308466;1445852062;mircea_popescu;""He's not a bad guy, he just has a problem."  Actually, you have that backwards, he doesn't have a problem, he is a bad guy.  I know this because he beat up (allegedly, at least) two women. This isn't the place to get into whether the bitch done deserved it, running her mouth all damn night long, the point is his thinking about it.  If I (allegedly) beat up a girlfriend, I'd feel TREMENDOUS guilt, I would really have
1308467;1445852062;mircea_popescu;to rethink the need for my existence.   I'd also be scared that she'd call the cops and shamed as a woman beater, ruining my life and/or career; and I'd be Ed Norton 25th Hour terrified of going to jail.  Charlie Sheen apparently feels none of these fears, at all, ever.  After he beat up the first bitch who deserved it he should have sworn of bitches just out of self-preservation, but no, back into the mix, and if the
1308468;1445852063;mircea_popescu;next one gets out of line she'll be getting the People's Elbow." << the sad, sad world in which tlp lives. then we go all harsh on him for being weird re some things.
1308469;1445852147;mircea_popescu;"That's narcissism-- "writ large" as they say in magazines that suck.  Even if the drugs made him completely insane, the fact is that he regularly puts himself in situations that involve something getting punched, and the only explanation for that is that he doesn't see rules as objectively applying to him, he only sees his behavior as situational, in his context.  In other words, there's always this: "well, hold on, t
1308470;1445852147;mircea_popescu;his is a different situation, let me explain..." followed by two hours of words.  There's always an explanation, it's always different this time, which just means it's exactly the same."
1308471;1445852200;mircea_popescu;perhaps. or perhaps the guy is so fucking cool, the rules actually do not apply to him. "oh, that's impossible". of course it is, and if you believe that it's for you.
1308472;1445853925;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1308473;1445853926;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.8, Best ask: 284.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 284.8, 24 hour volume: 33871.11174518, 24 hour low: 282.25, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None
1308474;1445853963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00053208 = 41.9545 BTC [+]
1308475;1445854350;mircea_popescu;"And in Georgia, a state appeals court in 2004 upheld a hospital's decision to kick Dr. Donald Ray Taylor off its staff. The anesthesiologist had admitted giving young female patients rectal and vaginal exams without documenting why. He'd also been accused of exposing women's breasts during medical procedures. When confronted by a hospital official, Taylor said, "Maybe I am a pervert, I honestly don't know," according
1308476;1445854350;mircea_popescu;to the appellate court ruling."
1308477;1445854352;mircea_popescu;nb.
1308478;1445855305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101090 @ 0.00052889 = 53.4655 BTC [-] {3} 
1308479;1445856412;deedbot-;[Trilema] The Drafts Auction - http://trilema.com/2015/the-drafts-auction/
1308480;1445857387;davout;guten tag assets
1308481;1445857416;mircea_popescu;hola!
1308482;1445857427;mircea_popescu;or in visual terms, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8b2c8ea4896f10359ff9943dfe45abe7/tumblr_nksleiOuLm1r5cgz7o1_1280.jpg
1308483;1445857428;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MeCGmM )
1308484;1445857480;funkenstein_;morgen
1308485;1445857516;funkenstein_;beautiful venus-jupiter conjunction this morning
1308486;1445857541;funkenstein_;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-07-2015#1192568 <-- hasn't been long since the last
1308487;1445857541;assbot;Logged on 08-07-2015 02:03:19; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191982 <-- i thought she was going to jump back into jupiter's head a few days ago.. off on her merry way again
1308488;1445857592;funkenstein_;apparent retrograde motion really a thorn in the side of those ptolemaic astronomers eh?
1308489;1445857597;mircea_popescu;are you an amateur astronomer or an amateur astrologer ?
1308490;1445857624;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2015#1308482   <<< mircea_popescu 's farm ?
1308491;1445857624;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2015 11:03:47; mircea_popescu: or in visual terms, http://40.media.tumblr.com/8b2c8ea4896f10359ff9943dfe45abe7/tumblr_nksleiOuLm1r5cgz7o1_1280.jpg
1308492;1445857672;funkenstein_;well i'm likely useless as an astrologer
1308493;1445857680;mircea_popescu;shinohai while its true that one of the girls has THOSE EXACT stockings, naw.
1308494;1445857796;funkenstein_;so if anybody wants a signed antipatch for my broken patch, let me know.  otherwise, I assume the thing can be simply dropped.
1308495;1445857861;mircea_popescu;didja ever have a scream-out as to why it's broken ?
1308496;1445857908;funkenstein_;no, I haven't gotten around to fixing yet..
1308497;1445857949;mircea_popescu;i just dun recall if it iwas ever discussed or just stated
1308498;1445857987;funkenstein_;just stated i think, some hints from ascii is all
1308499;1445858031;mircea_popescu;well so then! have at.
1308500;1445858172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72078 @ 0.00052826 = 38.0759 BTC [-] {3} 
1308501;1445858201;funkenstein_;i'll update you this afternoon after i get a chance to run some tests
1308502;1445858203;shinohai;Isn't astrology just as smoke-and-mirrory as religion?
1308503;1445858228;funkenstein_;on the astrology tip, http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.03622 <-- an interesting mystery
1308504;1445858229;assbot;[1509.03622] Planet Hunters X. KIC 8462852 - Where's the Flux? ... ( http://bit.ly/206ZvDc )
1308505;1445858338;funkenstein_;shinohai, I think that depends on which is witch :)
1308506;1445858382;shinohai;lol
1308507;1445858414;shinohai;I unfortunately cannot stargaze today, it is raining.
1308508;1445858490;funkenstein_;Exoplanet folks want all light curve changes to be planets, this one - doesn't look like a planet, so instead people are saying "alien structure".  Stellar variability seems likely to me.
1308509;1445858496;funkenstein_;shinohai, there's a app for that ;)
1308510;1445858530;shinohai;Implying I use any sort of device that needs "apps".
1308511;1445858578;funkenstein_;hehe
1308512;1445858597;funkenstein_;well the handheld computer w/ accelerometer has only one real use: usable skymap
1308513;1445858648;shinohai;I actually got a used droid this past week for testing cryptocoin apps. I like to try and break stuff.
1308514;1445858721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51202 @ 0.00052583 = 26.9235 BTC [-]
1308515;1445858730;shinohai;Outside of that I'm just not the type that needs a smartphone much. They are useless to me for reading books and such.
1308516;1445858739;funkenstein_;check out google sky or another such app if you got one, they are pretty cool
1308517;1445858798;shinohai;Garmin is teaching me about sdr radio and such so I needed one for that.
1308518;1445859270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00052365 = 22.1504 BTC [-] {2} 
1308519;1445859575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17213 @ 0.00052719 = 9.0745 BTC [+]
1308520;1445860307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00052243 = 44.6155 BTC [-]
1308521;1445860495;mircea_popescu;!up kroko
1308522;1445862198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57854 @ 0.00052925 = 30.6192 BTC [+] {2} 
1308523;1445863188;punkman;A russian geologist is doing research in Chukotka. One afternoon, he joins Chukcha on a hunt and they track a polar bear to its den. Chukcha makes some noise and seeing the bear, shouts "Run!" and starts running away. The geologist shrugs, calmly raises his gun and shoots the bear.
1308524;1445863202;punkman;"Why shoot??!!? Russian hunter, very bad hunter!" the Chukcha exclaims. "Ten kilometers to the yaranga, you drag bear yourself!"
1308525;1445863220;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSOyqbUUAAAFKrz.jpg
1308526;1445863221;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2zAJ1 )
1308527;1445863427;punkman;http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap151025.html
1308528;1445863428;assbot;APOD: 2015 October 25 - Jupiter and Venus from Earth ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xtc4qk )
1308529;1445864611;jurov;http://myfox8.com/2015/10/21/police-warn-if-you-get-this-in-your-trick-or-treat-bag-its-not-candy/
1308530;1445864613;assbot;Police warn parents if your child gets this in their trick-or-treat bag, it’s not candy | myfox8.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2Cy0d )
1308531;1445864821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34060 @ 0.00053361 = 18.1748 BTC [+] {3} 
1308532;1445864882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71796 @ 0.00053631 = 38.5049 BTC [+] {3} 
1308533;1445865065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00052912 = 18.7573 BTC [-] {3} 
1308534;1445865370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141300 @ 0.00053649 = 75.806 BTC [+] {2} 
1308535;1445865736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98900 @ 0.0005287 = 52.2884 BTC [-] {2} 
1308536;1445867993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119650 @ 0.00053649 = 64.191 BTC [+] {2} 
1308537;1445868298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00053831 = 50.0628 BTC [+] {3} 
1308538;1445869152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84400 @ 0.00053569 = 45.2122 BTC [-] {2} 
1308539;1445869902;asciilifeform;http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magazine/the-strange-case-of-anna-stubblefield.html
1308540;1445869905;assbot;Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1KABGs6 )
1308541;1445871043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3356 @ 0.00053569 = 1.7978 BTC [-] {2} 
1308542;1445872080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169400 @ 0.00053646 = 90.8763 BTC [+] {4} 
1308543;1445873520;punkman;https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792580
1308544;1445873524;assbot;#792580 - chromium: Chromium calls home even in incognito mode with safe browsing turned off - Debian Bug report logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXbvBc )
1308545;1445873544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121200 @ 0.0005385 = 65.2662 BTC [+] {2} 
1308546;1445873769;davout;"issue tagged with #suspiciousAsFuck"
1308547;1445874093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95200 @ 0.00054091 = 51.4946 BTC [+] {4} 
1308548;1445876655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103279 @ 0.00054422 = 56.2065 BTC [+] {5} 
1308549;1445877692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83222 @ 0.00054544 = 45.3926 BTC [+] {2} 
1308550;1445878150;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1308551;1445878168;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2015#1308543 << RIP last even vaguely usable graphical www browser.
1308552;1445878168;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2015 15:32:00; punkman: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792580
1308553;1445878244;ascii_field;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10432758 << full of morons ~defending it~ !
1308554;1445878246;assbot;Chromium calls home even in incognito mode with safe browsing turned off | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxvlmD )
1308555;1445878332;trinque;chrome's been a google rootkit for a very long time
1308556;1445878343;trinque;I reacted in horror when they announced "native client"
1308557;1445878344;ascii_field;article concerned chromium
1308558;1445878360;ascii_field;(a supposedly disinfected fork of chrome)
1308559;1445878361;trinque;sure but iirc it still has google strange in it, doesn't it?
1308560;1445878366;trinque;perhaps it was
1308561;1445878424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58150 @ 0.0005308 = 30.866 BTC [-]
1308562;1445878434;trinque;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/26/googles_not_listening_binary_blob_banished_from_chromium_build/ << did have blobs tag along at one point
1308563;1445878435;assbot;Google IS listening: Binary blob banished from Chromium build • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxvO8h )
1308564;1445878560;trinque;I don't know why that article called it a kernel module; it was the "ok google" plugin
1308565;1445878595;trinque;s/ok google/hello telescreen/
1308566;1445878607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78700 @ 0.00054592 = 42.9639 BTC [+] {3} 
1308567;1445879095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00054195 = 37.8281 BTC [-]
1308568;1445879146;funkenstein_;ok i found my chuck_checkpoints error
1308569;1445879166;funkenstein_;really inexcusable i didn't find that with test before submission
1308570;1445879173;funkenstein_;apologies
1308571;1445879231;ascii_field;funkenstein_: advice: when signing a vpatch, measure not 7 times, but 77; cut once.
1308572;1445879256;funkenstein_;noted
1308573;1445879291;funkenstein_;in this instance, i assume a properly measured replacement of the thing is preferred to an additional patch to fix
1308574;1445879429;funkenstein_;i have a couple boxes running the thing at the moment, I'll just wait a bit longer on the cut
1308575;1445879433;ascii_field;funkenstein_: if you do that, other people are likely to forget your key
1308576;1445879447;ascii_field;i recommend an antipatch that fixes the first.
1308577;1445879462;ascii_field;but discuss ~first~ then sign.
1308578;1445879482;ascii_field;see yesterday's thread.
1308579;1445879543;funkenstein_;issues is line 1353 of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected
1308580;1445879546;assbot;Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxxLS6 )
1308581;1445879592;funkenstein_;what I have done now (instead of problem) is replacing with
1308582;1445879593;funkenstein_;CBlockIndex* pcheckpoint = pindexGenesisBlock;
1308583;1445879617;funkenstein_;then the rest of ProcessBlock can stay the same
1308584;1445879624;ascii_field;how about the place where you took away the predicate to a block where pfrom->Misbehaving(100) ?
1308585;1445879639;funkenstein_;yeah, leaves the predicate in now (face palm)
1308586;1445879644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28399 @ 0.00054434 = 15.4587 BTC [+] {2} 
1308587;1445880864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171501 @ 0.0005388 = 92.4047 BTC [-] {6} 
1308588;1445882328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68507 @ 0.00054742 = 37.5021 BTC [+] {3} 
1308589;1445882694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75960 @ 0.00052773 = 40.0864 BTC [-] {4} 
1308590;1445883009;punkman;"In 2015, Angelababy sued a clinic for defamation after it alleged that  her face had undergone plastic surgery. As requested by the Beijing  judge, Angelababy underwent examination to certify the authenticity of  her face in a plastic surgery hospital in Beijing. The hospital chief  pronounced that Angelababy's looks were genuine."
1308591;1445884158;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49257 @ 0.00054377 = 26.7845 BTC [+] {2} 
1308592;1445885317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161069 @ 0.00054377 = 87.5845 BTC [+] {2} 
1308593;1445888672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91000 @ 0.00054779 = 49.8489 BTC [+] {4} 
1308594;1445888977;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66373 @ 0.00054377 = 36.0916 BTC [-] {2} 
1308595;1445889832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111700 @ 0.00054377 = 60.7391 BTC [-] {2} 
1308596;1445890384;shinohai;http://www.theonion.com/article/weary-nation-says-one-or-two-more-divisive-issues--51726   <<< if only true.
1308597;1445890384;assbot;Weary Nation Says One Or Two More Divisive Issues Should Finish It Off - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxX5aO )
1308598;1445891417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51190 @ 0.00054377 = 27.8356 BTC [-]
1308599;1445891646;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onjh6YjnSd8
1308600;1445891647;assbot;Romane and Ninine, amazing guitar - "David" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxZa6r )
1308601;1445892435;thestringpuller;;;ud creep
1308602;1445892437;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=creep | 1950's word used by women to decribe an undesirable man.
1308603;1445892589;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2015#1308524 <<< aaaahahahaha.
1308604;1445892589;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2015 12:40:02; punkman: "Why shoot??!!? Russian hunter, very bad hunter!" the Chukcha exclaims. "Ten kilometers to the yaranga, you drag bear yourself!"
1308605;1445892704;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1308606;1445892707;ascii_field;obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-10-2015#1294706
1308607;1445892707;assbot;Logged on 08-10-2015 02:09:29; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1700710/post74537442 << scroll to pics
1308608;1445892730;mircea_popescu;this one was about russians.
1308609;1445892758;ascii_field;all chukcha stories are, arguably, about russians..
1308610;1445892762;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/EastCapehouses1885ric00653.jpg << am i a pervert if i think the woman is actually hot ?
1308611;1445892765;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ry1JFL )
1308612;1445892773;mircea_popescu;yes, probably filthy. and too short. but she got the look, man.
1308613;1445892820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23605 @ 0.00053471 = 12.6218 BTC [-] {2} 
1308614;1445892839;davout;wat
1308615;1445892886;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah.
1308616;1445893582;mircea_popescu;"mykola! the moskali have flown into space!"
1308617;1445893586;mircea_popescu;"all of them ?"
1308618;1445893588;mircea_popescu;"no, just one."
1308619;1445893599;mircea_popescu;"so what are you bothering me for!"
1308620;1445894124;ascii_field;http://www.rightwisconsin.com/perspectives/UWM-336248811.html (via analmaster)
1308621;1445894125;assbot;UW-Milwaukee: Where the Phrase 'Politically Correct' is a Microagression - Right Wisconsin - Conservative politics and perspective powered by Charlie Sykes ... ( http://bit.ly/1kILawt )
1308622;1445894153;mircea_popescu;lolwut.
1308623;1445894333;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1308624;1445894348;mircea_popescu;zhui hui! zhui sam!
1308625;1445894359;ascii_field;l0l!!
1308626;1445894363;mircea_popescu;eeeehehehehe
1308627;1445894370;mircea_popescu;ow god
1308628;1445894380;*;ascii_field falls down
1308629;1445894407;mircea_popescu;of course, with gromyko
1308630;1445894418;ascii_field;who else.
1308631;1445894467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107100 @ 0.00052977 = 56.7384 BTC [-] {4} 
1308632;1445894551;deedbot-;[Qntra] FBI Agent Encourages Paying Ransomware Demands - http://qntra.net/2015/10/fbi-agent-encourages-paying-ransomware-demands/
1308633;1445894593;mircea_popescu;you know, this is fucking great, sitting here over muffins at teh bitcoin republic  and lolzing over old jokes.
1308634;1445894786;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it ever happened in the history of trickortreating that someone dropped a brick of straight cocaine in the kids' bag.
1308635;1445894833;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2015#1308555 << i have no idea wqhy alf was recommending it. btw : old opera, ye. it works.
1308636;1445894833;assbot;Logged on 26-10-2015 16:52:12; trinque: chrome's been a google rootkit for a very long time
1308637;1445894845;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1308638;1445894857;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want to use a closed source www browser ??
1308639;1445894860;ascii_field;(opera)
1308640;1445894894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7510 @ 0.0005278 = 3.9638 BTC [-]
1308641;1445894895;mircea_popescu;for the same reason you used old dos.
1308642;1445894914;ascii_field;i have the source code to dos 6.22.
1308643;1445894927;ascii_field;and neither is the latter network-operating
1308644;1445894935;ascii_field;so not the same animal.
1308645;1445895079;mircea_popescu;guess so.
1308646;1445895146;mircea_popescu;lmao face autenticity trial.
1308647;1445895150;mircea_popescu;boobs next, hopefully ?
1308648;1445895260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.0005278 = 12.0075 BTC [-] {2} 
1308649;1445895629;ben_vulpes;;;later tell phf is the 'fmt' library a particularly bad idea?
1308650;1445895630;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1308651;1445896280;mircea_popescu;"I miss you every single day.  So this time I'm using a scope."
1308652;1445896410;ben_vulpes;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be..._a_Family
1308653;1445896410;assbot;Free to Be... a Family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1P1t4kt )
1308654;1445896430;ben_vulpes;"especially notable as a joint production of ABC and Soviet Russia"
1308655;1445896541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00052875 = 18.8499 BTC [+]
1308656;1445896979;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1308657;1445897015;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/89e450fe038f00375d40e605adc5144b/tumblr_noasupsbBh1szuhyko1_1280.jpg
1308658;1445897016;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P1tvva )
1308659;1445897028;ascii_field;ugh
1308660;1445897221;jurov;ascii_field: esr heard your woes with gentoo mirrors and came with genial solution: make tarballs obsolete!!!1
1308661;1445897224;jurov;http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6875
1308662;1445897226;assbot;Are tarballs obsolete? ... ( http://bit.ly/1P1tGGE )
1308663;1445897247;mircea_popescu;and now he can't say anything because he already used his ugh.
1308664;1445897255;mircea_popescu;ascii got tag-teamed!
1308665;1445897268;ascii_field;waiwut
1308666;1445897309;mircea_popescu;subquestion : how come every worn out tool out there is doing some sort of "security" nsa project or other ?
1308667;1445897311;mircea_popescu;o wait, nevermind.
1308668;1445897347;ascii_field;l0l explicitly pushes sha1?!!
1308669;1445897363;ascii_field;and shithub, etc.
1308670;1445897394;ascii_field;'Yes, I know about source-based distributions, you can pipe down now. First, they’re too tiny a minority to affect my thinking. Secondly, it would be trivial for their build scripts to include a clone and pull.' << there are a few gentoo packages that actually do this. banned from my box.
1308671;1445897398;mircea_popescu;incidentally sha1
1308672;1445897400;mircea_popescu;aww damn too slow.
1308673;1445897432;ascii_field;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-sucker-punch << obligatory !
1308674;1445897433;assbot;Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch ... ( http://bit.ly/1H59v4e )
1308675;1445897443;mircea_popescu;so let's add up the history here : b-a decides ntp must die, nsa decides esr must be re-activated to make a "secure" ntp replacement.
1308676;1445897452;mircea_popescu;this, ladies and gents, is what power looks like.
1308677;1445897533;ascii_field;http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/microsoft-job-offer << see also.
1308678;1445897533;assbot;Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Microsoft job offer ... ( http://bit.ly/1H59I7s )
1308679;1445898767;BingoBoingo;http://www.newser.com/story/215004/dna-test-mans-unborn-twin-fathered-child.html
1308680;1445898769;assbot;Dad Learns That Unborn Twin 'Fathered' His Son ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5boOy )
1308681;1445898981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 206400 @ 0.00052679 = 108.7295 BTC [-] {6} 
1308682;1445898984;mircea_popescu;lol!
1308683;1445899347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83121 @ 0.00052461 = 43.6061 BTC [-] {4} 
1308684;1445899859;BingoBoingo;Power Rangers already bored with LevelDB https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6873
1308685;1445899861;assbot;[cleanup] leveldbwrapper becomes more generic 'dbwrapper' module by jgarzik · Pull Request #6873 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/207Fz3a )
1308686;1445900689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46290 @ 0.00053077 = 24.5693 BTC [+] {3} 
1308687;1445900750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24660 @ 0.00053502 = 13.1936 BTC [+] {2} 
1308688;1445902946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68573 @ 0.00053306 = 36.5535 BTC [-] {3} 
1308689;1445905386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00054028 = 26.3927 BTC [+]
1308690;1445905528;mircea_popescu;What do you get when ego and id aren't in conflict, in fact, they team up, against a common enemy-- reality? A reality which must often be denied in order to get some id-iPal satisfaction?  You get America.   What do you get when you get so good at denial, that you extend it to the inevitable?  You get American zombies: denial of death.
1308691;1445905528;mircea_popescu;The Walking Dead is a uniquely American show, about Americans.  It depicts the unconscious processes involved in death and mourning with perfect articulation, because it is founded on denying what is obvious to everyone.   "No," it says, "this is different."
1308692;1445905529;mircea_popescu;ha!
1308693;1445906157;pete_dushenski;http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21676811-corrupt-politicians-are-churning-out-books-reduce-their-sentences-time-bad-prose << romanian ghost authors useful for more than just self-promotion. self-extrication too !
1308694;1445906158;assbot;Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF0YdB )
1308695;1445906192;mircea_popescu;heh
1308696;1445906307;pete_dushenski;lol i can imagine mp writing his way out of a 300-year "death senctence" in well less than decade.
1308697;1445906346;mircea_popescu;i can't really imagine mp doing much more than mocking the parole board.
1308698;1445906361;pete_dushenski;colber style
1308699;1445906396;mircea_popescu;well no, that doesn't work. by the time the power differential's inclined like that, the prison is a walled compound called the kremlin or something.
1308700;1445906423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6845 @ 0.00054028 = 3.6982 BTC [+]
1308701;1445906523;pete_dushenski;'wonko the sane' keeping the toothpick-naive masses at bay
1308702;1445906546;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/01/the-asylum-has-its-moments/ <<
1308703;1445906547;assbot;The asylum has its moments. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF1AQl )
1308704;1445906596;pete_dushenski;https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/syria/2015-10-23/lights-islamic-state << one of casual isis'ists in the audience
1308705;1445906599;assbot;What Electricity Tells Us About ISIS' Rule | Foreign Affairs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF1DeQ )
1308706;1445906605;pete_dushenski;one for*
1308707;1445906629;pete_dushenski;take the 'conclusions' with a grain of salt. well, probably the graphs too.
1308708;1445906705;mircea_popescu;;;ud Po-Mo
1308709;1445906705;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=POMO | It is no secret that the Federal Reserve, and its now semi-daily interventions in market liquidity via POMO, is rather hell bent on creating the illusion that the ...
1308710;1445906711;mircea_popescu;hm
1308711;1445906728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00054028 = 24.2586 BTC [+]
1308712;1445906740;mircea_popescu;"I don't expect journalists or anyone else to be free of moral ambiguity, but it should be a postulate that if you choose to write those words you should not also be having sex with your daughter.  Allegedly.
1308713;1445906741;mircea_popescu;David Epstein, HuffPo-Mo blogger and Columbia professor of Applied Po-Mo allegedly had a sexual relationship with his 24 year old daughter. "
1308714;1445906743;mircea_popescu;da fuck is a pomo
1308715;1445906762;pete_dushenski;political mother ?
1308716;1445906790;pete_dushenski;poor mop ?
1308717;1445906816;pete_dushenski;post most ?
1308718;1445906850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00054028 = 28.4728 BTC [+] {2} 
1308719;1445906895;mircea_popescu;no idea
1308720;1445907014;pete_dushenski;"In the day of Eric Harris, we could try to console ourselves with the thought that there was nothing we could do, that no law or intervention or restrictions on guns could make a difference in the face of someone so evil. But the riot has now engulfed the boys who were once content to play with chemistry sets in the basement. The problem is not that there is an endless supply of deeply disturbed young men who
1308721;1445907014;pete_dushenski; are willing to contemplate horrific acts. It’s worse. It’s that young men no longer need to be deeply disturbed to contemplate horrific acts.
1308722;1445907025;pete_dushenski;http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence
1308723;1445907026;assbot;How School Shootings Spread - The New Yorker ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF2oET )
1308724;1445907064;pete_dushenski;this is exactly correct, even relatively middle of the road folks are seeing how shit the usa has become and are now taking matters into their own hands
1308725;1445907127;pete_dushenski;disillusioned with the hopes of 'representative democracy' and disinterested in reforming a system quite obviously beyond repair, they take matters into their own hands.
1308726;1445907160;*;pete_dushenski is stuck on repeat repeat
1308727;1445907389;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> da fuck is a pomo << Post Modern
1308728;1445907423;mircea_popescu;o o ty
1308729;1445907487;mircea_popescu;but hey, they at least "stopped bullying". and also rape!
1308730;1445907498;mircea_popescu;good for them. time to get shot, for no reason, straight in the gut.
1308731;1445907529;pete_dushenski;"no reason"
1308732;1445907608;mircea_popescu;"But what you need to get out of these stories is how this generation and forwards will deal with guilt: externalizing it, converting it to shame, and then taking solace in the pockets of support that inevitably arise.   Everyone is famous to 15 people, and that's just enough people to help you sleep at night.
1308733;1445907608;mircea_popescu;It is, in effect, crowdsourcing the superego, and when that expression catches on remember where you first heard it."
1308734;1445907625;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is SO tardstalk/altcoinforum/reddit/whathaveyou it bleeds.
1308735;1445907973;trinque;I was just about to quote that very line.
1308736;1445907990;trinque;every bizarre you-don't-understand internet subculture ever.
1308737;1445907994;mircea_popescu;aha
1308738;1445908091;mircea_popescu;Now incest-- terrible, we all agree << we do not all agree.
1308739;1445908159;pete_dushenski;http://investors.3m.com/news/press-release-details/2015/3M-Novec-7100-Fluid-Used-in-Worlds-Largest-Two-Phase-Immersion-Cooling-Project/default.aspx
1308740;1445908160;assbot;3M - 3M Novec 7100 Fluid Used in World’s Largest Two-Phase Immersion Cooling Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF44Os )
1308741;1445908166;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this "we all agree" insanity device. there is NOT ONE SINGLE OUGHT "we" all agree on.,
1308742;1445908168;mircea_popescu;never was.
1308743;1445908181;pete_dushenski;"The world’s most powerful two-phase immersion cooling (2PIC) project, which will be deployed in a 40+ MW data center being constructed by BitFury Group, is currently underway in the Republic of Georgia."
1308744;1445908208;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1308745;1445908251;pete_dushenski;not quite the cooled gas immersion you'd recommended, but on the way
1308746;1445908449;mircea_popescu;"That unpleasant moment when "principles" you were supporting ~strictly~ because "of the principle of the thing" and pointedly not because of the convenient manner in which they worked upon a restricted set of circumstances decide to move on to another set of circumstances and work consistently but against your (inconsistent) preference. The only thing to do is look away."
1308747;1445908459;mircea_popescu;^that happens to be the title of the next trilema article.
1308748;1445908863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00053946 = 5.1788 BTC [-]
1308749;1445908890;pete_dushenski;http://mynationalistpony.tumblr.com/post/131843952064/full-nazi << brony nazism. it's a thing.
1308750;1445908891;assbot;MY NATIONALIST PONY ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF545o )
1308751;1445909229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00054357 = 22.993 BTC [+] {3} 
1308752;1445909635;pete_dushenski;http://business.financialpost.com/fp-tech-desk/personal-tech/youtube-unveils-paid-subscription-service-for-ad-free-videos << or free browser plug-in, the choice is yours.
1308753;1445909636;assbot;YouTube unveils paid subscription service for ad-free videos in U.S. | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF6kp3 )
1308754;1445909672;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/the-reason-fathers-hope-for-sons-is-because-theyre-too-dumb-to-handle-daughters/#comment-33904
1308755;1445909674;assbot;The reason fathers hope for sons is because they’re too dumb to handle daughters. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF6ltd )
1308756;1445909720;pete_dushenski;also from the contravex comments section : "Must be hard to pretend to be so smart when all you have is a firm grasp of language."
1308757;1445909755;pete_dushenski;a couple comments on jack baruth's site lit off quite the vitriolic firestorm.
1308758;1445909758;pete_dushenski;quelle fun !
1308759;1445909832;pete_dushenski;some more gems pointed in my direction of late:
1308760;1445909835;pete_dushenski;"the point is Latin hasn’t been in common use for a long time outside of the Holy See. using a Latin phrase for which there is an exact equivalent English term is little more than the intellectual way to talk down to someone."
1308761;1445909866;pete_dushenski;"I would not be surprised to find out that you work as a plant security guard for just above minimum wage, on a night shift, where you use your time reading to try to be able to impress others with your intelligence, or that you live in a basement apartment, or drive a 2o year old junker."
1308762;1445909900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11349 @ 0.00053946 = 6.1223 BTC [-] {2} 
1308763;1445909925;pete_dushenski;"I never pushed anyone into a locker in my life, but pompous assholes like yourself make me wish we had gone to HS together."
1308764;1445909959;pete_dushenski;"I didn’t realize you were one of the dudes from LMFAO. Much respect"
1308765;1445909965;pete_dushenski;etc.
1308766;1445910085;pete_dushenski;http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3683#comments << all this lulz (and more!) inside.
1308767;1445910087;assbot;This Just In: College Kids Like Sex (And So Does Rick Pitino) | Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1GF6Vao )
1308768;1445910144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8710 @ 0.00053899 = 4.6946 BTC [-]
1308769;1445910184;pete_dushenski;the dinner bell ringeth. a la prochaine !
1308770;1445910510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62208 @ 0.00054441 = 33.8667 BTC [+] {3} 
1308771;1445911527;deedbot-;[Trilema] That unpleasant moment when "principles" you were supporting ~strictly~ because "of the principle of the thing" and pointedly not because of the convenient manner in which they worked upon a restricted set of circumstances decide to move on to another set of circumstances and work consistently but against your (inconsistent) preference. The only thing to do is look away. - http://trilema.com/2015/that-
1308772;1445912202;mircea_popescu;quelle funne!
1308773;1445912475;mircea_popescu;for the record, using the original latin phrases over their vernacular "just as good" later "equivalents" is not merely and not just talking down to some (the "intellectual" equivalent is nonsense, but let's ignore it).
1308774;1445912506;mircea_popescu;they are the sign of a commitment, that is very much alligned with what v is, and with why we have the bitcoind we have, and the foundation we have, and everything else.
1308775;1445912527;mircea_popescu;they are also the sigh of a disavowal, the manifestation of how we desipse the ruminants.
1308776;1445912551;mircea_popescu;no, no matter how "accepted" your vernacular gets, it will NEVER supersede Latin. because it's not a "consumers have come to expect" thing. nothing is.
1308777;1445912568;mircea_popescu;voting doesn't change the world.
1308778;1445912752;asciilifeform;l0ltronic
1308779;1445912828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69100 @ 0.00054602 = 37.73 BTC [+] {2} 
1308780;1445912874;mircea_popescu;"Shame will never be enough--  when your identity is "strong" enough nothing shames you, not a sex tape or a prison term, you'll take that scarlet letter and put it on a tight tank top and wear it ironically, not to mention hotly." << he happens to be exactly rtight, by the way.
1308781;1445912901;mircea_popescu;the reason we insist females be "bashful" ie, ashamed to desnude in public is that an overactive shame IMPLIES a weak personality
1308782;1445912909;mircea_popescu;and we like our women the consistency of loose stool.
1308783;1445912932;mircea_popescu;meanwhile a guy that's ashamed of going to football practice / army bootcamp / school in the buff is... not really a man.
1308784;1445912960;mircea_popescu;which is why alley flashers are all ~marginal~ men. the device works exactly like the homeless dragging around broken ipads works. "hey, i might be refuse, but at least X!"
1308785;1445913032;asciilifeform;i thought it was more of a 'sympathetic magic' (term of art re: shamanology) item
1308786;1445913047;mircea_popescu;(and obvioujsly, the most enraged by the shameless hussies are the old household women. because they know that her weakness is the only prayer they got.)
1308787;1445913060;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they'd collect wallets, then.
1308788;1445913219;asciilifeform;nono the 'flashers'
1308789;1445913231;asciilifeform;this is 'collect wallets' for sex, no ?
1308790;1445913281;mircea_popescu;i dun think so.
1308791;1445913291;mircea_popescu;if it were sympathetic magic they'd be in the strip club
1308792;1445913347;mircea_popescu;(with sex, unlike money, sympathetic magic works. can for instance fuck a girl's friends to fuck her.)
1308793;1445913381;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the more sex you have, and the more exposed to it they be, the more likely. and so on.
1308794;1445913427;asciilifeform;but there is a minimal takeoff velocity below which the magic is powerless.
1308795;1445913434;mircea_popescu;like all magic
1308796;1445913444;asciilifeform;by the time you can talk about 'fuck a girl's friends' you are no longer marginal nobody
1308797;1445913467;mircea_popescu;in fact the most important "why did you fuck ?" answer on porn set is "well, wanted to try it out"
1308798;1445913513;asciilifeform;sorta like how $ 100M can 'make money' but $1 won't, not even at 100M slower rate.
1308799;1445916488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80570 @ 0.0005479 = 44.1443 BTC [+] {4} 
1308800;1445916549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27851 @ 0.00054799 = 15.2621 BTC [+]
1308801;1445917159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144750 @ 0.00054805 = 79.3302 BTC [+] {4} 
1308802;1445917681;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in korea, http://38.media.tumblr.com/59ea216b3448d34ae033dca13746ade7/tumblr_nqsgypF89E1rhw4clo1_500.gif
1308803;1445917682;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxlT1G )
1308804;1445918196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00054057 = 28.5962 BTC [-] {5} 
1308805;1445919111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48950 @ 0.00054829 = 26.8388 BTC [+] {3} 
1308806;1445921178;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin main net block size to increase before July 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/#b3
1308807;1445921840;mircea_popescu;!up archStanton
1308808;1445921856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55142 @ 0.00054859 = 30.2503 BTC [+] {2} 
1308809;1445923052;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1308810;1445923059;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 288.42, vol: 17583.20245395 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 284.359, vol: 8568.29486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 289.34, vol: 14373.64520092 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 292.0, vol: 4.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 296.415, vol: 50313.83700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.64001, vol: 67.51225998 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 284.2934, vol: 67.66256403 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1308811;1445923067;BingoBoingo;;;more
1308812;1445923068;gribble;292.603114279
1308813;1445923080;BingoBoingo;Lots of variance
1308814;1445923808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114712 @ 0.00054921 = 63.001 BTC [+] {4} 
1308815;1445924601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39191 @ 0.00054939 = 21.5311 BTC [+]
1308816;1445926004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00054755 = 39.4236 BTC [-] {4} 
1308817;1445929232;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2015/10/fbi-agent-encourages-paying-ransomware-demands/#comment-70895
1308818;1445929233;assbot;FBI Agent Encourages Paying Ransomware Demands | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20848Nj )
1308819;1445929456;mircea_popescu;http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sonship/sonjm09.htm
1308820;1445929457;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/2084gfN )
1308821;1445929653;mircea_popescu;"I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead--one with less hatred and intolerance." << above quoted guy's son, in his suicide note.
1308822;1445933142;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b20
1308823;1445933689;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] This is the bar for success. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/27/this-is-the-bar-for-success/
1308824;1445937289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37358 @ 0.00054817 = 20.4785 BTC [+] {2} 
1308825;1445937838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00055007 = 13.2017 BTC [+]
1308826;1445940301;deedbot-;[Trilema] On parenting - http://trilema.com/2015/on-parenting/
1308827;1445942401;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308819 << no surprise re: the suicide. this guy thinks MacArthur isn't a false teacher ( http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html )
1308828;1445942401;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 07:04:16; mircea_popescu: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sonship/sonjm09.htm
1308829;1445942402;assbot;A True Church - John MacArthur's Damning Doctrine ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgaC2y )
1308830;1445942962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00054654 = 37.7386 BTC [-] {3} 
1308831;1445943938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27745 @ 0.00054627 = 15.1563 BTC [-] {2} 
1308832;1445945585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00054627 = 18.9556 BTC [-]
1308833;1445947410;jurov;!mpif
1308834;1445947411;assbot;BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021518 B (Total: 427.52 B). Delta: -0.40 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021379 BTC [+]
1308835;1445947417;jurov;!t m f.mpif
1308836;1445947417;assbot;[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.00021379 / 0.00021379 / 0.00021379 (250 shares, 0.05 BTC)
1308837;1445947491;jurov;;;calc 21465*1.01
1308838;1445947491;gribble;21679.65
1308839;1445947497;jurov;;;calc 21465/1.01
1308840;1445947498;gribble;21252.4752475
1308841;1445949063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78892 @ 0.00054627 = 43.0963 BTC [-]
1308842;1445950411;jurov;http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/elite-wealth-management/410842/?single_page=true
1308843;1445950412;assbot;How Wealthy People Protect Their Money - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2BOXx )
1308844;1445951441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00055006 = 6.8471 BTC [+] {2} 
1308845;1445951940;punkman;"I trained to become a wealth manager. That initial part of my study took  two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of  miles of travel. Although I never practiced as a wealth manager"
1308846;1445952578;jurov;you don't understand, he is teaching, not doing
1308847;1445952706;punkman;she
1308848;1445952746;jurov;zher
1308849;1445952845;punkman;"trained for two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of  miles of travel. and all I learned is something about cook islands trusts"
1308850;1445952905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00055006 = 24.2576 BTC [+] {2} 
1308851;1445953002;jurov;by trading gossip
1308852;1445953280;punkman;http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/26/health/vegetarian-hot-dogs-contain-meat-clear-foods-feat/
1308853;1445953281;assbot;10% of vegetarian hot dogs contain meat, says analysis - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1H73uUS )
1308854;1445953289;punkman;"also found human DNA in 2% of its hot dog samples -- and two-thirds of the vegetarian samples. "
1308855;1445955284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00055019 = 31.0307 BTC [+] {2} 
1308856;1445956443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.0005462 = 20.0729 BTC [-] {2} 
1308857;1445956466;kakobrekla;another way to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5T98YkJqM4
1308858;1445956467;assbot;One Drastic Way to Evade Taxes... - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N57ITg )
1308859;1445957565;punkman;related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_country_houses_in_20th-century_Britain
1308860;1445957565;assbot;Destruction of country houses in 20th-century Britain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1k79jfF )
1308861;1445957828;asciilifeform;exam-taking (tm)
1308862;1445957968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31968 @ 0.00054789 = 17.5149 BTC [+] {2} 
1308863;1445958069;punkman;http://blog.invisiblethings.org/2015/10/27/x86_harmful.html
1308864;1445958069;assbot;Intel x86 considered harmful (new paper) ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5dqof )
1308865;1445958269;asciilifeform;punkman: phun phakt: intel's recent (few yrs) cpus have a countdown which cuts power in 30 min. if the me firmware doesn't execute
1308866;1445958280;asciilifeform;(to prevent you from cutting it out of the bios image)
1308867;1445958303;asciilifeform;otherwise the fw is rsa-signed (2048b iirc)
1308868;1445959213;asciilifeform;and gotta love the crock of shit where x86 == intel
1308869;1445959521;asciilifeform;there is literally 1 paragraph devoted to amd:
1308870;1445959545;asciilifeform;'But is the situation much different on AMD-based x86 platforms? It doesn�t seem so! The problems related to boot security seem to be similar to those we discussed in this paper. And it seems AMD has an equivalent of Intel ME also, just disguised as Platform Security Processor (PSP)'
1308871;1445959559;asciilifeform;this is not untrue, but there is a key difference - FOR FUCKS SAKE AMD DOESN'T FORCE IT TO BE ON !
1308872;1445959567;asciilifeform;you can ignore it.
1308873;1445959580;asciilifeform;(deprive it of firmware, switch it off.)
1308874;1445959719;asciilifeform;but i suppose this is when i say a bit about WHY we have these idiocies.
1308875;1445959739;asciilifeform;there are at least two independent political pressures for the 'trusted' separate cpu-in-a-cpu thingies
1308876;1445959771;asciilifeform;one is the microshit/palladium/fritzchip/treacherous computing (see rms essay by same name) totalitarian batshit
1308877;1445959819;asciilifeform;the other is the entirely sane hunger of pretty much everyone with half a brain to escape from winblowz, or, failing that, at least not have his private keys touched by winblowz.
1308878;1445959879;asciilifeform;this keeps in perfect fitting with the 'computing industry'-as-a-protection racket business model of the last 20+ yrs, where it 'solves' exclusively those problems which it, itself, creates.
1308879;1445959887;asciilifeform;and chumps beg for moar.
1308880;1445959932;punkman;how's cpu-in-cpu thingies related to escape from winblowz?
1308881;1445959964;asciilifeform;sane people understand enough to wish for their rsa modular exponentiations to NOT HAPPEN UNDER WINBLOWZ
1308882;1445959983;asciilifeform;they will say: literally ~anywhere else please~
1308883;1445959996;asciilifeform;and usg is happy to oblige, 'here have a clipperchip'
1308884;1445960007;asciilifeform;it is a classical 'good-cop/bad-cop' symbiosis
1308885;1445960075;asciilifeform;as for the batshit element, there is a stable of folks, working (publicly known since at the earliest 2001, but likely earlier) to 'undo the mistake' of the general-purpose computer
1308886;1445960106;asciilifeform;the 'mistake' being that smart kidz can reverse-engineer, do the unanticipated, cause problems for 'their betters'
1308887;1445960173;asciilifeform;they approached the problem, in classic usg style, from a dozen angles at once
1308888;1445960196;asciilifeform;one approach was 'you open the box but there is nothing to be learned or modified because IT'S ALL IN TEH CLOUDZ!!11'
1308889;1445960232;asciilifeform;another was 'you open the box and the gasenwagen comes ten minutes later.' this was at one point considered practical but the proliferation of cheap hardware retired it.
1308890;1445960269;asciilifeform;what's left is 'you open the box and there is a mess of 16nm tamper-resistant undocumented silicon, have fun'
1308891;1445960298;asciilifeform;(incidentally, for chinese aficionados: NO WORKSTATION-GRADE CPU IS OR HAS EVER BEEN MADE in cn)
1308892;1445960302;asciilifeform;they're 100% nato.
1308893;1445960307;asciilifeform;intel, amd both.
1308894;1445960347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00055042 = 29.9428 BTC [+] {2} 
1308895;1445960500;asciilifeform;incidentally, the 'crypto chip as unprincipled exception' is long-standing policy in usg internally
1308896;1445960568;asciilifeform;(they will publicly proclaim, to an audience gagging from suppressed laughter, that 'ms-win is the only certified os for top secret xyz' while at the same time being sure to carry out private key ops ONLY in mykotronx/safenet's silicon)
1308897;1445960593;asciilifeform;and this since 1991 or so !
1308898;1445960987;asciilifeform;back to rutkowska's paper, for some perverse reason the irony of using mechanisms like IOMMU to somehow defend the bits in your nic from anal rogering by your gpu - at the cost of creating yet another all-seeing hitler in the box - is lost on her
1308899;1445961007;asciilifeform;this is the problem with mats-style 'mitigations' thinking
1308900;1445961023;asciilifeform;if you are unwilling to treat the problem as something to be abolished AS A LOGICAL CLASS - you are stuck with idiot epicycles
1308901;1445961035;asciilifeform;and are part of the problem in the fullest possible sense of this phrase
1308902;1445961092;asciilifeform;for n00bz, i will point out that is is possible to build a computer where, e.g., buffer overruns, is PHYSICALLY impossible
1308903;1445961103;asciilifeform;ditto 'rowhammer' and related idiocies
1308904;1445961227;funkenstein_;i suppose part of the problem is people saying "oh it doesn't matter I can just take that with a battery into a copper box and walk out with punch cards" ?
1308905;1445961264;asciilifeform;(how to abolish 'rowhammer' ? a) don't use ddr3, why does a tetris-playing accountant need 128GB of ram?? b) use ram that is wired as a hash table, where n+1 is NOT physically adjacent or otherwise predictably distant from n. ---- BUTBUTBUT i want 128GB! but i want bust readwrite! FUCKYOU
1308906;1445961268;asciilifeform;)
1308907;1445961306;asciilifeform;*burst readwrite
1308908;1445961331;asciilifeform;see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 .
1308909;1445961333;assbot;Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVhuca )
1308910;1445961534;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308842 << i can't wait for mircea_popescu to explain that... they aren't really lizard elites, because a distant winemaking rothchild got shot by a german once. or how the 100B isn't real money because it can't be sent to bin laden's ghost. or how i oughta shut up because they 'earned' it all and 'nobody asked you'
1308911;1445961534;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 12:53:31; jurov: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/elite-wealth-management/410842/?single_page=true
1308912;1445961700;jurov;asciilifeform: she tries to distinguish that all that wealth is not very secret, merely outside of media spotlight and tax collectors
1308913;1445961716;asciilifeform;none of it is secret. merely untaxable.
1308914;1445961726;jurov;should appreciable part of it move to enemy that's gonna change quickly
1308915;1445961769;jurov;(not the taxability, but the spotlight of misc agencies and perhaps media)
1308916;1445961905;asciilifeform;point is, aristocracy was once a thing
1308917;1445961939;asciilifeform;i was sad, as a boy, reading about how lavoisier, father of modern chemistry, met the guillotine
1308918;1445961956;asciilifeform;but i would not shed a tear for ted turner in the guillotine
1308919;1445961963;asciilifeform;in fact, would greatly enjoy personally operating it
1308920;1445962005;asciilifeform;because none of these people are patrons of civilization. but merely arses, just like yours or mine, but parked on golden toilets.
1308921;1445962100;asciilifeform;i don't see them as 'my betters'
1308922;1445962120;asciilifeform;just like a hoodlum who gets the drop on you in a dark alley, cracking your skull with a lead pipe, is not 'your better' on account of it
1308923;1445962178;asciilifeform;i don't subscribe to the cosmography where the hoodlum is 'the better' and the concert violinist walking through the alley is 'a loser' because... because why, he oughtn't have such a soft skull? if he 'were anybody' he could afford a security detail? because why ?
1308924;1445962227;funkenstein_;better at cracking skulls
1308925;1445962241;asciilifeform;aha
1308926;1445962257;asciilifeform;we have a whole continent reserved for folks who would like to live life as skull-cracking contest - africa
1308927;1445962261;asciilifeform;(and soon north america...)
1308928;1445962264;jurov;it's confirmation bias
1308929;1445962294;funkenstein_;orcs
1308930;1445962299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25005 @ 0.00054789 = 13.7 BTC [-] {2} 
1308931;1445962327;asciilifeform;i get it, mircea_popescu will tell me that 'money has to be the measure because otherwise redditors will have to count as people'
1308932;1445962328;jurov;there's, say, plenty of hungarian "aristocracy" that were patrons of nothing
1308933;1445962334;asciilifeform;but i don't see how it would follow.
1308934;1445962346;asciilifeform;aha and where are they now.
1308935;1445962355;jurov;you don't get to read about them
1308936;1445962381;asciilifeform;but overall i woudn't be surprised to learn that a few of'em are still rothchilding around somewhere.
1308937;1445962389;asciilifeform;quietly enthroned on golden toilets.
1308938;1445962403;jurov;nah, too stupid
1308939;1445962439;jurov;their own children preferred to exile to USA and blend in there
1308940;1445962439;asciilifeform;inevitable. regression to the mean makes the whole hereditary aristocrat thing inescapably retarded.
1308941;1445962454;asciilifeform;on a time scale of a few centuries.
1308942;1445962492;jurov;confirmation bias << i meant selection bias
1308943;1445962812;*;funkenstein_ applauds "on parenting" 
1308944;1445962841;funkenstein_;looky, bach on trilema
1308945;1445962953;funkenstein_;http://imgur.com/JRFASYN <-- bach to the future
1308946;1445962955;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVlZ6B )
1308947;1445963711;mircea_popescu;hhhhelo
1308948;1445963725;mats;it is p easy to wax poetic about the state of computing, but, folks run nix until they don't and nonetheless need to raise the cost for attackers
1308949;1445963822;mircea_popescu;word.
1308950;1445963839;mircea_popescu;the stench of the room can never be an argument against the process of cleanning.
1308951;1445963871;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308827 <<< you actually know these guys/read their stuff ?
1308952;1445963871;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 10:40:01; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308819 << no surprise re: the suicide. this guy thinks MacArthur isn't a false teacher ( http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html )
1308953;1445963923;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308845 << fucking bullshit. the study to "become a wealth manager" might take years, but it takes no dollars. bowls of rice more like it, this is one of those things to be learned with colored stones.
1308954;1445963923;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 13:19:00; punkman: "I trained to become a wealth manager. That initial part of my study took  two years, many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of thousands of  miles of travel. Although I never practiced as a wealth manager"
1308955;1445963970;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308854 << da fuck is "human DNA". sounds a lot like "american IP".
1308956;1445963970;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 13:41:29; punkman: "also found human DNA in 2% of its hot dog samples -- and two-thirds of the vegetarian samples. "
1308957;1445964007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00055071 = 22.6893 BTC [+] {3} 
1308958;1445964035;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308872 << yet. you know as well as i do that if amd were the sales leader, it WOULD.
1308959;1445964035;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 15:26:07; asciilifeform: you can ignore it.
1308960;1445964106;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308878 <<< aha. computing as a paradigm of government.
1308961;1445964106;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 15:31:19; asciilifeform: this keeps in perfect fitting with the 'computing industry'-as-a-protection racket business model of the last 20+ yrs, where it 'solves' exclusively those problems which it, itself, creates.
1308962;1445964123;punkman;mircea_popescu: severed fingers? sperm? tears?
1308963;1445964139;mircea_popescu;fenotype is not genotype.
1308964;1445964206;mircea_popescu;understand : the question of what is specifically HUMAN dna is very much open. we share a lot with other living things, and the thingsd we don't we don't all exhibit. point in case being the bullshit pseudoscience "he must have raped her because so and so substance only exists in male sperm" to be then found sure it exists in female sperm-equivalent, no problem.
1308965;1445964216;mircea_popescu;but this counted as valid science for decades in hundreds of convictions.
1308966;1445964288;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308891 << and it is, currently, the one reason china is a pisspot.
1308967;1445964288;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 15:38:18; asciilifeform: (incidentally, for chinese aficionados: NO WORKSTATION-GRADE CPU IS OR HAS EVER BEEN MADE in cn)
1308968;1445964298;mircea_popescu;but i must say, splendid alf monograph, should be in an article.
1308969;1445964325;funkenstein_;^
1308970;1445964380;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308896 << word. and the postmodern irony is that after all this elaborate, expensive, actual superiority, hillary uses a home mail server.
1308971;1445964380;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 15:42:48; asciilifeform: (they will publicly proclaim, to an audience gagging from suppressed laughter, that 'ms-win is the only certified os for top secret xyz' while at the same time being sure to carry out private key ops ONLY in mykotronx/safenet's silicon)
1308972;1445964401;mircea_popescu;it's enough to drive one stack. im surprise not more usg-kgb folks go on murder rampages. i know i would.
1308973;1445964434;mircea_popescu;if after going to all that fucking trouble and obtaining that much actual superiority the people for whom i supposedly did it behave like fucking teenagers i would actually go to their house and feed them their children in cooked parts.
1308974;1445964442;mircea_popescu;not even explain why.
1308975;1445964451;mats;I'm not sure you see how tiresome it is to rehash the discussion as follows -- 'gtfo off leaky ship already', 'am in middle of atlantic', 'so swim to island (without provisions)', 'then get on a ship without holes', 'there are none on horizon', 'getting on that ship in the first place is a problem of a logical class', 'yes, but... am here'
1308976;1445964465;mircea_popescu;mats your patience is appreciated.
1308977;1445964562;mircea_popescu;btw what happened to mykotronx
1308978;1445964600;mircea_popescu;a safenet actually bought them. heh.
1308979;1445964619;mircea_popescu;"The physical chip was designed by Mykotronx (USA) and manufactured by VLSI Technology Inc. (USA). The initial cost for an unprogrammed chip was $16 and a programmed one costed $26."
1308980;1445964624;mircea_popescu;back in the days....
1308981;1445964918;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308917 << dude. "de" lavoisier was exactly the opposite of aristocracy, more in the vein of donald trump. he inherited the fortune of a ferme generale entrepreneur (tax scam the french copied from the romans - guaranteed to make one crassus-rich. sort of at-the-time equivalent of "real estate development") and married the scion of the same.
1308982;1445964918;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:05:39; asciilifeform: i was sad, as a boy, reading about how lavoisier, father of modern chemistry, met the guillotine
1308983;1445964947;mircea_popescu;phillipe equality was aristocracy. lavoisier & co were the newly rich.
1308984;1445965080;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308922 << there's a problem here. of the original set of hoodlums, meyer lansky actually survived, to die in the 80s in florida like any serious jew from beyond the pale. most memorable about him is the anecdote that when about 9 was trying to run a numbers racket with some friends, and when the older boys tried to muscle in, as older boys are supposed to, he demured. "yo
1308985;1445965080;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:08:40; asciilifeform: just like a hoodlum who gets the drop on you in a dark alley, cracking your skull with a lead pipe, is not 'your better' on account of it
1308986;1445965080;mircea_popescu;u get nottin' for nottin'", if they want money ~they better go work for him~.
1308987;1445965088;mircea_popescu;some hoodlums actually are betters.
1308988;1445965172;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308951 << the atruechurch guy? Yes I read it, and I met him. I stayed with his family for about a week when we were in florida for the republican national convention in 2012
1308989;1445965172;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:37:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308827 <<< you actually know these guys/read their stuff ?
1308990;1445965214;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1308991;1445965222;mircea_popescu;i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING
1308992;1445965288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37106 @ 0.00054617 = 20.2662 BTC [-] {3} 
1308993;1445965471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71319 @ 0.00054715 = 39.0222 BTC [+] {4} 
1308994;1445965471;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308923 << the problem with this approach is that you also don't agree with the theory that the deer is less than the fox. fine, don't agree : the fox eats the deer nevertheless. your options are either a) to not share an environment, in which case your failures are not fit-reducing or b) to grow uniformly.
1308995;1445965471;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:09:38; asciilifeform: i don't subscribe to the cosmography where the hoodlum is 'the better' and the concert violinist walking through the alley is 'a loser' because... because why, he oughtn't have such a soft skull? if he 'were anybody' he could afford a security detail? because why ?
1308996;1445965503;mircea_popescu;i happen to not think anything of the mathematician that doesn't know how his fridge works. "oh he's specialised" fuck you. "but this is how we do it here!" yeah, this is how i do you in the ass.
1308997;1445965510;mircea_popescu;"but he just wanted email to work" no, srsly, fuck you.
1308998;1445965523;mircea_popescu;if not that, not this, either.
1308999;1445965601;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308932 << exquisitely well chosen example.
1309000;1445965601;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:12:08; jurov: there's, say, plenty of hungarian "aristocracy" that were patrons of nothing
1309001;1445965657;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308943 << incredibly, i thought that was going to be a highly controversial piece that'll get my skull cracked.
1309002;1445965657;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:20:12; *: funkenstein_ applauds "on parenting" 
1309003;1445965675;mircea_popescu;incidentally, alf, why didn't I get my skull cracked ? god knows i been in plenty of dark alleys.
1309004;1445965697;kakobrekla;lucky.
1309005;1445965725;mircea_popescu;there exists in this world a woman whose actual experience of a first date with me includes this part where she was taken to a dark alley in a completely new town, made to strip and well... no, rape didn't ensue. she jsut got a crack on the butt.
1309006;1445965731;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm the avatar of luck, huh.
1309007;1445966440;mircea_popescu;to put it in vernacular terms, quod times non te destructit, quod te nutrit te destructit.
1309008;1445968164;mircea_popescu;"Wealth management is a profession on the defensive."
1309009;1445968176;mircea_popescu;fucktarded atlantic article. "oh, reddit matters, everyone cares about us"
1309010;1445968178;mircea_popescu;no, they don't.
1309011;1445968516;thestringpuller;the most visible manifestation of the eternal september irl
1309012;1445968648;mircea_popescu;except not irl, in some random blog nobody reads.
1309013;1445969074;thestringpuller;i was more referring to how people say memes in real life, i.e: "not bad dot jpeg"; the reddit eternal september is like an infection
1309014;1445969085;thestringpuller;that has become a plague
1309015;1445969212;trinque;the eternal september was already out there; the whole thing was the ignorant masses raiding the internet from "out there"
1309016;1445969497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00055095 = 30.7981 BTC [+]
1309017;1445969613;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'
1309018;1445969613;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:35:25; mats: it is p easy to wax poetic about the state of computing, but, folks run nix until they don't and nonetheless need to raise the cost for attackers
1309019;1445969657;asciilifeform;guess what, i don't give a ~flying fuck~ about 'it's more seek000re except against the folks with the master keys'
1309020;1445969665;asciilifeform;it is in fact the very definition of sabotage.
1309021;1445969728;asciilifeform;'secure'-only-against-sp4mz0rz is just another way to say 'anal rape by usg but with anaesthesia so you aren't acutely writhing in pain from it'
1309022;1445969848;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308965 << see the fingerprint threads in the logs as to why.
1309023;1445969848;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:43:36; mircea_popescu: but this counted as valid science for decades in hundreds of convictions.
1309024;1445969902;asciilifeform;(criminology has zero to do with scientific evidence and everything to do with adjudicated guilt and confession. just the same today as it did when folks were tried by ordeal a thousand years ago.)
1309025;1445969926;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308968 << whatchawaiting for, let's have the article
1309026;1445969926;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:44:58; mircea_popescu: but i must say, splendid alf monograph, should be in an article.
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1309028;1445970093;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308994 << fox eats deer ?!!!
1309029;1445970093;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 17:04:31; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308923 << the problem with this approach is that you also don't agree with the theory that the deer is less than the fox. fine, don't agree : the fox eats the deer nevertheless. your options are either a) to not share an environment, in which case your failures are not fit-reducing or b) to grow uniformly.
1309030;1445970187;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308996 << not the same. 'know how fridge works' is still in the keeping of a life of the mind. whereas 'be impervious to ambush in dark alley' is (barring very few exceptions, philosopher-soldierieng-mircea_popescus of various strips) ~not~.
1309031;1445970187;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 17:05:03; mircea_popescu: i happen to not think anything of the mathematician that doesn't know how his fridge works. "oh he's specialised" fuck you. "but this is how we do it here!" yeah, this is how i do you in the ass.
1309032;1445970196;mircea_popescu;not so.
1309033;1445970204;mircea_popescu;and you don't get to declare what parts of reality are irrelevant.
1309034;1445970213;mircea_popescu;dark alley is life of the mind alright. the first. still the best.
1309035;1445970219;mircea_popescu;and how the mind got to be mind in the first place.
1309036;1445970279;asciilifeform;best ?
1309037;1445970281;mircea_popescu;best.
1309038;1445970292;asciilifeform;why does mircea_popescu not hang out with hoodlums instead of in theatres?
1309039;1445970303;mircea_popescu;who's to say he doesn't and hasn't been ?
1309040;1445970329;asciilifeform;his www. (but perhaps there is another, made of chalk and written on alley walls, which is about hoodlumming ?)
1309041;1445970334;mircea_popescu;for that matter what do you think you are, tchaykowsky ?
1309042;1445970374;asciilifeform;now i must know, why chaikovsky specifically
1309043;1445970380;mircea_popescu;random complex name :D
1309044;1445970403;mircea_popescu;but anyway, you musta been readoing a different www, half of mine's with and about whores, criminals and the insane.
1309045;1445970414;mircea_popescu;(yes, tlp counts)
1309046;1445970447;asciilifeform;my picture of 'alley' is very much 'the spartan speaks with his sword.'
1309047;1445970457;mircea_popescu;and that is not the first & best life of the mind ?
1309048;1445970470;asciilifeform;of the hindbrain.
1309049;1445970474;mircea_popescu;you think ?
1309050;1445970497;asciilifeform;i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?
1309051;1445970510;mircea_popescu;again you do not get to say what parts of brain are irrelevant.
1309052;1445970533;mircea_popescu;tel lyou what : the weird make it, the brave take it from them, and the smart take it from the brave. true in the "empire building" us west as well as in lublianka.
1309053;1445970540;mircea_popescu;how come ? how could this be ?
1309054;1445970546;mircea_popescu;WHY IS REALITY FRACTAL!111
1309055;1445970564;*;asciilifeform pictures 'lublianka' as a lubyanka (kgb hq) in liubliana
1309056;1445970569;mircea_popescu;"i have decided that only the upper third of the mandelbrot set is of interest. WHY DOES THE REST KEEP RECURRING WE HAD AN AGREEMENT!!1"
1309057;1445970571;asciilifeform;kakobrekla ^ is there such a thing?
1309058;1445970613;mircea_popescu;"kgb hq" moar like "main prison"
1309059;1445970633;asciilifeform;it was never a 'main prison' in the sense of holding appreciable numbers of prisoners at one time
1309060;1445970649;asciilifeform;(that'd be, e.g., butyrka)
1309061;1445970665;asciilifeform;~classiest~ prison - yes.
1309062;1445970670;mircea_popescu;right.
1309063;1445970680;mircea_popescu;fulla "intellectuals" and whatnot.
1309064;1445970682;mircea_popescu;lyf of the minds!
1309065;1445970701;*;asciilifeform recalls very interesting accounts of the angle that was taken when grilling such folks
1309066;1445970831;asciilifeform;thing is, the existence of rampaging pseudointellectuals does not invalidate actual life-of-the-mind as a thing.
1309067;1445970847;asciilifeform;any more than witch doctors in congo (or american programmerz) invalidate the fields on which they shit
1309068;1445970848;mircea_popescu;the actual life of the mind as a thing is of the mind, not of a butchered brain.
1309069;1445970851;mircea_popescu;hindbrain is brain.
1309070;1445970874;mircea_popescu;it has its place, which you didn't give it, nor you may deny it.
1309071;1445970880;asciilifeform;erdos, reportedly, could not work a can opener.
1309072;1445970888;mircea_popescu;it earned it, on its own merits, as part of the whole construction's history. it's there and you honor it.
1309073;1445970903;mircea_popescu;this is a shortcoming of erdos.
1309074;1445970906;asciilifeform;yes.
1309075;1445970940;mircea_popescu;i find it very dubious, just between you and me
1309076;1445970955;mircea_popescu;that you readily see the "cpu in cpu" thing for what it is, yet you';d allow THE SAME PEOPLE do THE SAME THING to your own brain.
1309077;1445970961;mircea_popescu;really alfgie, you want hindbrain escrow ?
1309078;1445970963;*;asciilifeform also finds it dubious. such legends get blown up by biographers until the result is nothing approaching plausible
1309079;1445971077;asciilifeform;whatever organ is responsible, it is entirely possible to grow up with (for whatever reason) atrophy of the 'interfacing with strangers' circuits.
1309080;1445971083;asciilifeform;i'm most of the way there, personally.
1309081;1445971128;trinque;asciilifeform: I run into places you've interfaced with strangers all over the net.
1309082;1445971142;asciilifeform;trinque: trick is that i don't do it in real time and with meat
1309083;1445971147;trinque;probably every other time I go spelunking for information on lisp machines
1309084;1445971148;asciilifeform;because gotta run it all under software emulation
1309085;1445971166;trinque;sure but go back x years and that's writing letters or what have you
1309086;1445971171;asciilifeform;aha.
1309087;1445971177;asciilifeform;no hindbrain involvement at all.
1309088;1445971181;mircea_popescu;ha
1309089;1445971182;mircea_popescu;ha.
1309090;1445971249;mircea_popescu;you knew who else grew (for whatever reason) with a complete atrophy of the part of the brain that does "that math-y stuff"
1309091;1445971261;mircea_popescu;until i beat the shit of her every time she didn't do math properly ?
1309092;1445971276;mircea_popescu;oh, what, every us chick your age or younger, ever. herp.
1309093;1445971295;mircea_popescu;somehow the women their mother's generation did not have this problem. it ... sprung out of the void, around 1970 or so.
1309094;1445971306;asciilifeform;there was a saying, 'beat a hare enough and it will learn to light matches'
1309095;1445971307;mircea_popescu;the endless wonders of the brainz!
1309096;1445971315;asciilifeform;note that it is 'light matches' not 'galois algebra'
1309097;1445971316;mircea_popescu;this saying is not entirely untrue.
1309098;1445971330;mircea_popescu;it is, by god.
1309099;1445971344;*;mircea_popescu points at the "driving car" discussion.
1309100;1445971351;asciilifeform;but it is true, circus trainers have accomplished some amazing things
1309101;1445971351;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1309102;1445971399;asciilifeform;i, for instance, can almost pass for a normal human being in public
1309103;1445971411;asciilifeform;seals have been taught to play cymbals
1309104;1445971417;asciilifeform;gorillas - tetris.
1309105;1445971433;mircea_popescu;you're such a drama queen.
1309106;1445971455;asciilifeform;l0l
1309107;1445971483;asciilifeform;speaking of dramas, mircea_popescu will get a kick out of this l0l : https://cryptome.org/2015/10/stasi-two-docs.htm
1309108;1445971485;assbot;Two Stasi Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie43FP )
1309109;1445971489;asciilifeform;the 2nd page in particular
1309110;1445971510;asciilifeform;appears to be a catalogue of stasi poisons, and 'intravaginal' route is mentioned.
1309111;1445971517;asciilifeform;(in english no less)
1309112;1445971536;asciilifeform;one is left to wonder, for whom was this.
1309113;1445971543;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/b7c3568fec22fbd281a044e6e0857bd5/tumblr_nez8fyNDo01sqzw79o1_400.gif
1309114;1445971543;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie4fos )
1309115;1445971551;phf;ben_vulpes: i don't think fmt is a horrible idea, but it (and similar packages like iterate) would've been great if they were part of the standard. as it stands they get you some elegance at the expense of being an idiosyncratic external dependency. you still have to learn format and loop, but once you do, you start thinking twice about replacing them with something marginally better.
1309116;1445971555;asciilifeform;(i guess it isn't really an anglicism, but a latinism)
1309117;1445971580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the machine type looks fake to me.
1309118;1445971597;asciilifeform;aha, why so clean
1309119;1445971613;asciilifeform;until you see 1988
1309120;1445971619;mircea_popescu;shape's wrong, mechanical failures are wrong, the whole thing looks digital.
1309121;1445971716;asciilifeform;2nd page looks like dot-matrix. looks quite like some of the 20 y.o. printouts i have lying around.
1309122;1445971723;asciilifeform;so in that respect, plausible
1309123;1445971770;asciilifeform;document describes saxitoxin, a favourite of the american services
1309124;1445971780;asciilifeform;(and presumably every other industrial country)
1309125;1445971824;phf;ben_vulpes: i've seen fmt like tricks used all over the place to do for example date formatting, e.g. (year #\- month #\- day), but the previous sexp is compiled to either format or directly to princ's. unless your domain is text formatting, it makes little sense to have an intermediate form.
1309126;1445972045;mircea_popescu;i dunno why, it's rather obvious.
1309127;1445972366;mircea_popescu;and in other parenting news / alf baiting porn, http://40.media.tumblr.com/bc4b4cc1ba00b42ec6bac861aec8fb20/tumblr_nq6d29n3ZE1u57u1ko1_1280.jpg
1309128;1445972366;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie6TKT )
1309129;1445972392;asciilifeform;l0l what happened here
1309130;1445972524;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1309131;1445972639;mircea_popescu;but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.
1309132;1445972660;asciilifeform;didntcha write that one already ?
1309133;1445972665;mircea_popescu;the text follows the conflict between the progressives (hey, whatever it costs, worth doing) and the conservatives (keep your damned ringworms off our famr!)
1309134;1445972676;mircea_popescu;where ?
1309135;1445972676;asciilifeform;i distinctly remember a spiffy alien worm
1309136;1445972720;mircea_popescu;ah yes, but that was different
1309137;1445972725;mircea_popescu;anyway, dracunculiasis i mean, not ringworm.
1309138;1445972769;mircea_popescu;and the debate could specifically be, that the damned bitches keep trying to claw the worm out of their bellies, thus giving themselves infections. so the upgraded farfms have to include limb restraints on top of the noirmally used neckchain to a pole thing. which costs moneys!
1309139;1445972802;mircea_popescu;"maybe it's cheaper with psychiatry ? let's convince them the incredible burning is worth it ?" "waste of time, these subhuman hindbrained breeders!11" etc
1309140;1445972805;mircea_popescu;could be quite good.
1309141;1445972844;asciilifeform;this is not too far from what already happens in 'civilized' world.
1309142;1445972863;mircea_popescu;which is the point.
1309143;1445972871;mircea_popescu;or, at any rate, what makes it good.
1309144;1445972893;mircea_popescu;reality is x, people always, for some reason, represent it as x+a. never as x-a. why not ? should be evenly distributed around x, neh ?
1309145;1445972906;mircea_popescu;job of the artist : fix the uneven distributions of reality representation.
1309146;1445973084;mircea_popescu;anyway asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/ if it's what you meant deals more with fears around identity. this'd be three levels lower down the tree, more akin to societal parody.
1309147;1445973085;assbot;The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGSXVf )
1309148;1445973093;asciilifeform;ah.
1309149;1445973097;asciilifeform;yes, that was the one.
1309150;1445973144;mircea_popescu;there is, of course, also http://trilema.com/2011/oul-morganatic/
1309151;1445973144;assbot;Oul morganatic on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGT3MS )
1309152;1445973265;mircea_popescu;drove the (relatively moe sheltered romanians) batshit.
1309153;1445973284;mircea_popescu;in other news : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCTf5k1Q_0s
1309154;1445973285;assbot;Madalina Manole - Te-am Vazut , Mi-ai Placut - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ie9TXC )
1309155;1445973348;mircea_popescu;te-am vazut, mi-ai placut, ce ramine de facut ? indraznesc sa-ti vorbesc : te iubesc! daca-n ochi m-ai privit si-ai ramas indragostit nu gresesti sa-mi spui ca ma iubesti.
1309156;1445973381;mircea_popescu;ie, "i've seen you, you're to my liking, what's left to do ? i dare speak to you : i love you! if you've looked me in the eye and were struck, you're not wrong to tell me you love me."
1309157;1445973404;mircea_popescu;the culture powering romania. i would bet this played a part in half or more lost virginities during decades.
1309158;1445973429;mircea_popescu;kiss.ro, as it were.
1309159;1445973645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61448 @ 0.00054634 = 33.5715 BTC [-] {3} 
1309160;1445973706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5752 @ 0.00054524 = 3.1362 BTC [-]
1309161;1445974316;mircea_popescu;here's a thought : "Quarterly, first and fourth grandquarters counterquartered, first and fourth gules, three cinquefoils ermine ; second and third argent, a lymphad with sails furled proper, flagged gules ; second and third grandquarters argent, a heart gules imperially crowned proper, on a chief azure three stars of the field."
1309162;1445974325;mircea_popescu;how much does the field of computing owe to... heraldry ?
1309163;1445974352;mircea_popescu;conventions in place for eleven centuries or more, and slowly evolving over that interval, read exactly like algorithmics.
1309164;1445974399;asciilifeform;certainly something;
1309165;1445974411;asciilifeform;at the very least, these people didn't buy into 'the implementation is the spec'
1309166;1445974416;mircea_popescu;i mean just reading that thing - the strictness of the logic is empowering.
1309167;1445974419;mircea_popescu;aha! EXACTLY.
1309168;1445974427;mircea_popescu;it is right all through in the speciffically correct way.
1309169;1445974428;asciilifeform;i assume it is why mircea_popescu's ears stood up
1309170;1445974440;mircea_popescu;i've been aware of this for a while, actually, slowly digesting it.
1309171;1445974466;mircea_popescu;counterquarted means somehing!
1309172;1445974477;mircea_popescu;what does it mean ? it is fucking obvious to you what it means, on the basis of the text itself!
1309173;1445974477;asciilifeform;they understood that if they were to simply draw the banner and say fuckit, it would devolve into soup
1309174;1445974481;mircea_popescu;THIS is what a spec is ffs.
1309175;1445974492;mircea_popescu;no. they understood nothing.
1309176;1445974504;mircea_popescu;they drew thje banner, said fuckit, it devolved into soup and we never heard of those.
1309177;1445974508;asciilifeform;aha
1309178;1445974524;mircea_popescu;the reason for the succes is specifically the hindbrain. and the uninvolvement of "the life of the mind".
1309179;1445974525;asciilifeform;the ~remaining~ ones - possibly - understood.
1309180;1445974534;mircea_popescu;dubious, but who knows.
1309181;1445974561;mircea_popescu;lord knows it went to soup (true, different flavour) once they started wit hthe "understanding"s.
1309182;1445974609;asciilifeform;the bigger the motor, the bloodier the mess.
1309183;1445974943;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308966 << this is the chink in the armour of 'usa is irrelevant and can go straight to hell'. let's say, yes, but where do you intend to get ws cpu.
1309184;1445974943;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:44:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308891 << and it is, currently, the one reason china is a pisspot.
1309185;1445975201;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308970 << iirc it was to skirt 'mandatory data retention' rule, rather than 'seek00rity'
1309186;1445975201;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 16:46:20; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308896 << word. and the postmodern irony is that after all this elaborate, expensive, actual superiority, hillary uses a home mail server.
1309187;1445975593;mircea_popescu;irrelevant.
1309188;1445975613;mircea_popescu;"oh, they sit on grenades because of windy, not because of cold". fuck them all the same!
1309189;1445976524;*;asciilifeform has now ascertained beyond any doubt that his box dies when under full load. prolly thermal.
1309190;1445976581;*;asciilifeform yes, cleans it, before anyone asks.
1309191;1445976643;asciilifeform;prolly wouldn't bother to mention this if it weren't for the 'where do we get ws hardware' thread.
1309192;1445977319;deedbot-;[Qntra] Judge Dismisses Charges Against Kentucky Drone Shooter - http://qntra.net/2015/10/judge-dismisses-charges-against-kentucky-drone-shooter/
1309193;1445978586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14663 @ 0.00055129 = 8.0836 BTC [+]
1309194;1445978769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.0005524 = 56.2896 BTC [+] {3} 
1309195;1445978845;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3qdwet/roger_the_jesus_launches_uncensored_ceo_ama/cwejyip
1309196;1445978846;assbot;jstolfi comments on Roger the Jesus launches uncensored CEO AMA marathon on Bitcoin.com ...everyone except OKCoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzUdu0 )
1309197;1445978867;BingoBoingo;^ ver-i-lol
1309198;1445978949;thestringpuller;so Mircea Popescu is a criminal now?
1309199;1445978959;thestringpuller;definitely didn't get that memo
1309200;1445979280;*;jurov mostly killed a day trying to run eulora in cling c++ interpreter...
1309201;1445979288;jurov;and failed though not on cling directly, but on getting gnu ld to publicly export some symbols in .so lib :(
1309202;1445979309;mircea_popescu;lol teh butthurt
1309203;1445979415;mircea_popescu;nobody gave a shit about stolfi at any point, his "omaigerd threatened on the internets" attention whoring moment y compris, therefore mp is bad!
1309204;1445979440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00055255 = 14.2005 BTC [+] {2} 
1309205;1445979445;asciilifeform;i thought that was stefanoupolis (?)
1309206;1445979449;asciilifeform;or whatshisname
1309207;1445979490;asciilifeform;jurov: clang ?
1309208;1445979521;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-09-2015#1280971
1309209;1445979521;assbot;Logged on 21-09-2015 12:12:45; assbot: davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB )
1309210;1445979539;jurov;asciilifeform: in CERN they built an *interpreter* on top of it, named cling
1309211;1445979552;asciilifeform;ah i recall earlier attempts at this
1309212;1445979563;asciilifeform;cint
1309213;1445979587;asciilifeform;https://root.cern.ch/cint
1309214;1445979588;assbot;CINT | ROOT a Data analysis Framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqWiup )
1309215;1445979591;mircea_popescu;not even a month. heh. at least the actual scammers have the decency to go away for 9ish months at a time. seems even 9 weeks is too much for the comparatively shittier decency of the university scammer set.
1309216;1445979593;asciilifeform;or is this the same animal
1309217;1445979608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the university gang is still in business
1309218;1445979621;jurov;asciilifeform: no, they rebuilt it with llvm
1309219;1445979631;mircea_popescu;to quote professor costanza, "in my mind, the war is still going".
1309220;1445979634;asciilifeform;they are laughing all the way to the bank, within half an hour's walk from where i stand
1309221;1445979643;mircea_popescu;im sure in their own heads they're still actually even like, involved in things and whatnot.
1309222;1445979643;asciilifeform;jurov: l0l
1309223;1445979692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are not businessmen, recall, they are academitards. so long as the paycheques come and the tenure nest continues to be feathered with new paperz, they are as happy as a dung beetle in his pile of shit
1309224;1445979716;mircea_popescu;they have that much in common with down syndrome sufferers, it is true.
1309225;1445979723;asciilifeform;if they gave half a fuck re: 'relevancy' they would have to eat their pistols in grad school even.
1309226;1445979798;asciilifeform;' Why would Bitcoin XT be subject to censorship? Simply put, this fork proposal calls for something that does not suit the agendas of the people in charge of /r/Bitcoin.' << still this?!!!
1309227;1445979845;mircea_popescu;what else ?
1309228;1445979855;BingoBoingo;Of course still that "Party Directive"
1309229;1445979868;asciilifeform;incidentally, the number of working nodes OF WHATEVER KIND continues to fall. not only per the 'bitnodes' observatory thing, but per my own nodes' connections stats
1309230;1445979869;mircea_popescu;dead horse beating. it's a speciality.
1309231;1445979876;mircea_popescu;aha.
1309232;1445979885;asciilifeform;went from around 60, steady state, per, to below 20 connections/each
1309233;1445979900;mircea_popescu;lemme look
1309234;1445980046;mircea_popescu;    "connections" : 102,
1309235;1445980049;mircea_popescu;you just suck.
1309236;1445980052;asciilifeform;apparently!
1309237;1445980058;asciilifeform;from other front,
1309238;1445980061;asciilifeform;'fseeko.c:103:4: error: #error "Please port gnulib fseeko.c to your platform! Look at the code in fpurge.c, then report this to bug-gnulib."    #error "Please port gnulib fseeko.c to your platform! Look at the code in fpurge.c, then report this to bug-gnulib."'
1309239;1445980062;mircea_popescu;but this aside, yes it's going lower.
1309240;1445980084;asciilifeform;^ buildroot-with-userland-on-arm7
1309241;1445980111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51331 @ 0.00055172 = 28.3203 BTC [-]
1309242;1445980156;asciilifeform;it doesn't like musl much.
1309243;1445980376;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the story of england's country estates is so much lolz. so hitler won the war, and as a result by 1955 they were destroying the "national heritage" at the rate of a site a week.
1309244;1445980384;mircea_popescu;pray tell what'd the gestapo have done ? better ? doubtful.
1309245;1445980396;asciilifeform;tarver wrote about this, i recall
1309246;1445980408;mircea_popescu;not in the atlantic, i'd wager.
1309247;1445980415;asciilifeform;nope.
1309248;1445980476;mircea_popescu;well i only read the atlantic so it never happened.
1309249;1445980488;asciilifeform;l0lz
1309250;1445980492;mircea_popescu;mwhahaha
1309251;1445980509;*;asciilifeform is astonishingly astonished at the number of packages which fall into dust under musl
1309252;1445980522;asciilifeform;civilized, decent, irreplaceable ones, like midnight commander
1309253;1445980651;asciilifeform;and at the same time these VERMIN mutter about 'you shouldn't write in nonstandard c, because of my gcc patches..'
1309254;1445980749;asciilifeform;and the gravestone on top of it all:
1309255;1445980754;asciilifeform;sysvinit.
1309256;1445980793;asciilifeform;(all of my previous buildroots involved busybox and didn't need sysv init)
1309257;1445980804;asciilifeform;this was an attempt to set up an ACTUAL WORKSTATION on top of musl.
1309258;1445980820;asciilifeform;y'know, the kind where it is possible to install programs later.
1309259;1445980826;asciilifeform;and do things such as init scripts
1309260;1445980834;asciilifeform;apparently this is a no-go.
1309261;1445980850;mircea_popescu;i dun believe this is what they wanted musl to be for.
1309262;1445980858;asciilifeform;IT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE GLIBC
1309263;1445980861;asciilifeform;for everything.
1309264;1445980863;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1309265;1445980867;mircea_popescu;for "everything".
1309266;1445980872;asciilifeform;and ~would~ if there weren't an ocean of vermin
1309267;1445980903;mircea_popescu;heh.
1309268;1445980913;mircea_popescu;infestation can't be wished away.
1309269;1445980960;asciilifeform;my flamethrower only has so much petrol.
1309270;1445980976;asciilifeform;and a spout only so-wide.
1309271;1445981111;jurov;gotta start sustaining oneself on bugs
1309272;1445981119;jurov;!up King_Rex
1309273;1445981191;trinque;having reached the end of the latest ballas dissection, the thing has a familiar format I was a little surprised to see given the others from him I've read.
1309274;1445981200;trinque;even him mentioning the guitar fits
1309275;1445981208;trinque;"the powers that be are out to make you a cog for their machine, maaaan"
1309276;1445981227;mircea_popescu;what format is that ?
1309277;1445981235;asciilifeform;trinque: just about all of his articles have this flavour
1309278;1445981247;asciilifeform;e.g., the 'capitalism where you give all of the capital to somebody else' one
1309279;1445981250;mircea_popescu;and i gotta say i love the leverage, i take an hour to write one of these 5k word atrocities, it ruins the day/week of numerous people.
1309280;1445981252;mircea_popescu;go me!
1309281;1445981253;trinque;he's revealing some sinister mechanism that's all around us
1309282;1445981268;trinque;if you'd just see, you too could solo on the stratocaster and be free
1309283;1445981281;trinque;don't let them stomp out your unique flower or whatever it is
1309284;1445981287;trinque;I could hear the same shit from some stoner I know
1309285;1445981310;trinque;"she is really raising them to be what the WSJ considers China to be: a pool of highly skilled labor that someone else will profit from."
1309286;1445981349;asciilifeform;btw i went to school with these people.
1309287;1445981354;asciilifeform;most of'em were not, ftr, chinese.
1309288;1445981363;asciilifeform;(or east asian at all)
1309289;1445981372;asciilifeform;they are insufferable.
1309290;1445981402;mircea_popescu;do tell ?
1309291;1445981429;asciilifeform;not much to tell. more or less the caricature depicted by the source tlp quoted, made flesh
1309292;1445981439;asciilifeform;machines purpose-built for playing the college roulette
1309293;1445981444;mircea_popescu;a.
1309294;1445981469;asciilifeform;'what do you like to read about when not studying?' 'what's 'like' ?'
1309295;1445981494;asciilifeform;(american might answer: 'what's 'read' ?')
1309296;1445981504;trinque;their obedience doesn't seem to be the problem; more that there's nothing good out there to obey
1309297;1445981532;asciilifeform;it therefore ~is~ a problem.
1309298;1445981553;mircea_popescu;not so.
1309299;1445981611;mircea_popescu;if you can't make even one person worth following, how the hell would you make this entire aspirational 14% be each and every one worthy of following (for themselves) ?
1309300;1445981629;mircea_popescu;you chafe at my broomstick, now propose treestick ?
1309301;1445981637;mircea_popescu;at least the broomstick fits.
1309302;1445981655;asciilifeform;i think i'm missing a step here
1309303;1445981671;asciilifeform;what's an aspirational-14%
1309304;1445981679;mircea_popescu;lemme set it out :
1309305;1445981682;asciilifeform;and why does it need 'make every one worthy of following'
1309306;1445981686;*;asciilifeform confused
1309307;1445981694;mircea_popescu;he says : this hundred appears nutty, but this seems more because they have no one to follow than a flaw in themselves.
1309308;1445981720;mircea_popescu;you say : thus therefore, the fact that there aren't 100 people to follow, so each of these 100 could follow one of those 100 (ie, the same one) is then the problem.
1309309;1445981733;mircea_popescu;well wtf sense does this make ? you don't have one so aim to fix it by having 100 ?
1309310;1445981758;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as having an internal compass, if you will
1309311;1445981764;mircea_popescu;no, there isn't.
1309312;1445981771;asciilifeform;i.e. being perfectly capable of 'following' dead people, on dead trees
1309313;1445981774;mircea_popescu;a compass is a compass. if you shove it up your ass it will be "internal"
1309314;1445981778;trinque;I know this chick who ended up an IP lawyer because hell, the money said go there.
1309315;1445981778;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, a compass is just a compass.
1309316;1445981806;trinque;actually I know two such chicks
1309317;1445981896;asciilifeform;from the old pre-braindamage graham...:
1309318;1445981897;asciilifeform;'A friend of mine who is a quite successful doctor complains constantly about her job. When people applying to medical school ask her for advice, she wants to shake them and yell "Don't do it!" (But she never does.) How did she get into this fix? In high school she already wanted to be a doctor. And she is so ambitious and determined that she overcame every obstacle along the way-- including, unfortunately, not liking it.'
1309319;1445981991;trinque;she wanted to do that in high school because the world somebody set up had "doctor" in a cool place
1309320;1445982003;trinque;whether that's good or bad is another question I think
1309321;1445982007;deedbot-;[Qntra] IRS Declares Cryptome Charity 2 Days After Key Revocation - http://qntra.net/2015/10/irs-declares-cryptome-charity-2-days-after-key-revocation/
1309322;1445982026;mircea_popescu;iiiinteresting.
1309323;1445982032;mircea_popescu;they stole it haven't they
1309324;1445982047;BingoBoingo;Seems so
1309325;1445982062;asciilifeform;why would they advertise that they stole it ?
1309326;1445982069;asciilifeform;and why would it advertise being stolen.
1309327;1445982080;BingoBoingo;SO peoSo people ask those questions
1309328;1445982082;asciilifeform;i suppose.
1309329;1445982123;BingoBoingo;It's the post modern way to steal
1309330;1445982138;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if anybody will even notice the drop in the quality of the output
1309331;1445982149;asciilifeform;not like there ever were REAL damaging-to-usg leaks on the net.
1309332;1445982155;asciilifeform;and certainly not on cryptome.
1309333;1445982167;asciilifeform;it was always a kind of 'soft porn'.
1309334;1445982230;mircea_popescu;heh.
1309335;1445982234;asciilifeform;(i'm still waiting for, e.g., ANYTHING from nsa crytologic directorate, etc.)
1309336;1445982241;mircea_popescu;apparently teh dept of depting feels it needs more voices.
1309337;1445982250;mircea_popescu;good for em for figuring it out. in truth, they do.
1309338;1445982345;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is not, afaik, presently, a thing similar to cryptome
1309339;1445982370;mircea_popescu;publicly ?
1309340;1445982375;asciilifeform;well yes.
1309341;1445982377;mircea_popescu;fuck the public, it belongs to huffpo.
1309342;1445982380;asciilifeform;as cryptome is/was.
1309343;1445982396;mircea_popescu;providing public services is not merely a waste
1309344;1445982399;mircea_popescu;it is the essence of evil.
1309345;1445982409;asciilifeform;how about public disservices ?
1309346;1445982411;asciilifeform;e.g., phuctor.
1309347;1445982428;asciilifeform;that was, as i understood at least, the intent of cryptome et al.
1309348;1445982453;mircea_popescu;it both perpetuates the jwz "i only want to" class and it creates the "i know nothing and have some oppinions" class of stolfi/swanson/etc.
1309349;1445982456;mircea_popescu;it's a bad idea.
1309350;1445982481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you've well seen what the results of public access to phuctor were.
1309351;1445982497;mircea_popescu;publick knowbetterism, unadorned, and naught else.
1309352;1445982517;asciilifeform;i'd agree wholeheartedly with mircea_popescu on all of this, but presently i'm on the wrong side of a door.
1309353;1445982530;mircea_popescu;but for the grace of alfie....
1309354;1445982531;asciilifeform;y'know, the one that has 'public'.
1309355;1445982544;mircea_popescu;you're turning into a modern version of the immaculate conceiver over there, you know ?
1309356;1445982547;mircea_popescu;noobs will pray to you.
1309357;1445982550;asciilifeform;l0lz
1309358;1445982636;asciilifeform;but i can't help but agree with the general principle. 'public' is largely vermin. and if mircea_popescu decides to open a meatspace lubyanka and make an old-fashioned entirely nonpublic intelligence-gathering corps, he ought to wake us all up.
1309359;1445982643;mircea_popescu;to quote myself, "Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound busine
1309360;1445982643;mircea_popescu;ss plan but a strategic mistake."
1309361;1445982666;mircea_popescu;i am not intending to "save" the mass from it's "opressive" government/landlords/what have you anymore than i intend to run around farms in rural england "freeing" the cows.
1309362;1445982692;asciilifeform;kgb wasn't operating to 'save the cows' either, iirc.
1309363;1445982696;mircea_popescu;the stable solution here is that the socialists get the crowd and wash their head with it, all i want is the well put together teenage sluts and the fewq and far between whose heads work.
1309364;1445982699;mircea_popescu;that's barely 1%
1309365;1445982706;mircea_popescu;the rest - not only they can keep, i'd even pay them to keep.
1309366;1445982732;mircea_popescu;anything up to what it'd cost me to butcher them and drain the blood and guts.
1309367;1445982736;asciilifeform;at any rate, i personally live on planet public.
1309368;1445982739;asciilifeform;yes, i FUCKING HATE it
1309369;1445982754;asciilifeform;but i just checked the mailbox, there is no letter from sultan inviting me to move away.
1309370;1445982765;mircea_popescu;wake you all up ? intel's been a thing for years.
1309371;1445983008;*;asciilifeform has nfi how mircea_popescu runs his meatspace ops, with whom, etc.
1309372;1445983017;mircea_popescu;and why would you ?!
1309373;1445983021;asciilifeform;we haven't even met the folks behind mircea_popescucoin.
1309374;1445983023;asciilifeform;aha.
1309375;1445983029;asciilifeform;hence 'not a bug'
1309376;1445983063;asciilifeform;(does mircea_popescu know the ancient expression? 'this is not a bug - it is a feature')
1309377;1445983078;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1309378;1445983253;mircea_popescu;in "stuff i'm reading now" news, http://trilema.com/2011/tigancusa-si-strainul/
1309379;1445983254;assbot;Tigancusa si strainul on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ieF19E )
1309380;1445983260;asciilifeform;incidentally how is mircea_popescucoin doing ?
1309381;1445983351;mircea_popescu;what is that ?
1309382;1445983466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188980 @ 0.00054903 = 103.7557 BTC [-] {5} 
1309383;1445983954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2022 @ 0.0006401 = 1.2943 BTC [-] {2} 
1309384;1445984015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1716 @ 0.00067533 = 1.1589 BTC [+] {4} 
1309385;1445984497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the thing you had made, prior to therealbitcoin
1309386;1445984537;mircea_popescu;uh ?!
1309387;1445984545;mircea_popescu;you mean the altcoin thing ?
1309388;1445984547;asciilifeform;nono
1309389;1445984552;asciilifeform;the thing that had no name
1309390;1445984566;asciilifeform;what you had on the original node we synced from.
1309391;1445984593;asciilifeform;iirc it was compatible with 0.6.something.
1309392;1445984619;mircea_popescu;oh that. poorly.
1309393;1445984627;asciilifeform;wedged ?
1309394;1445984712;mircea_popescu;a, no. just, not really being actively worked on.
1309395;1445984795;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1309396;1445984796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it is no longer in use on the battlefield, consider sharing it. might be of some use re: therealbitcoin.
1309397;1445984796;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.67, Best ask: 294.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 294.87, 24 hour volume: 26646.75714306, 24 hour low: 286.43, 24 hour high: 298.86, 24 hour vwap: None
1309398;1445984823;mircea_popescu;i suspect it'll go the way of the minuteman
1309399;1445984825;mircea_popescu;"still in use!11"
1309400;1445984852;asciilifeform;i confess that not learning about mircea_popescucoin's db locks fix until ~after~ therealbitcoinw wedged to death was not fun.
1309401;1445984923;mircea_popescu;your ideas of fun!
1309402;1445985014;asciilifeform;i can't have been the only one who wondered 'how many other bug fixes is this fella sitting on without knowing about it'
1309403;1445985022;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309343 << sewage disposal is... a waste ?
1309404;1445985022;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 21:46:36; mircea_popescu: providing public services is not merely a waste
1309405;1445985043;mircea_popescu;lol
1309406;1445985081;pete_dushenski;wasn't even trying to be funny !
1309407;1445985098;pete_dushenski;clean water is a public service, after all
1309408;1445985105;pete_dushenski;flushing toilets idem
1309409;1445985163;BingoBoingo;Doesn't have to be fore everybody
1309410;1445985192;kakobrekla;ba logs also
1309411;1445985291;mircea_popescu;yes yes im inconsistent.
1309412;1445985652;BingoBoingo;Inconsistency is a strategic necessity
1309413;1445985706;pete_dushenski;speaking of health and inconsistency, alberta's new ndp gov (hyper-unionistas) just released its 2015 budget today : $19.7 billion for health care, $7.6 billion for k-12 education, and $5.7 billion for post-secondary out of a total $50 billion budget
1309414;1445985762;mircea_popescu;what's the rest go for, defense ?!
1309415;1445985782;pete_dushenski;11% on university... because everyone deserves to be reprimanded for microaggression
1309416;1445985793;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu lol good q, lemme look
1309417;1445985948;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> 11% on university... because everyone deserves to be reprimanded for microaggression because what they need to do is macro-aggression
1309418;1445986064;pete_dushenski;eh nothing exciting : $4 bn for 'human services' and $11 bn for 'other ministries' (agri, natives, tourism, energy). also ~$1 bn for debt servicing and ~$1 bn for 'disasters'
1309419;1445986110;pete_dushenski;'Status of Women. Consolidated expense is budgeted at $1 .4 million in 2015-16 . A province-wide dialogue around the formation of this new ministry is underway .' << mkay
1309420;1445986166;pete_dushenski;right after ex-pm harper gutted all those women's studies programs. sheesh. back and forth, these guys.
1309421;1445986248;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298801
1309422;1445986248;assbot;Logged on 14-10-2015 18:23:13; mircea_popescu: "I know they're billing it as a stand for women's rights, but that would be more convincing if they weren't also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, hadn't shuttered 75 percent of the country's Status of Women offices, and weren't shrugging off the more than 1,200 Indigenous women who have been missing or murdered in Canada since 1980."
1309423;1445986299;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304851 << someone's doing well by translating trilema eh
1309424;1445986299;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 21:37:20; gabrielradio: 1RadioZTPJhoYGHU3mBed6jCRAE8F6RZC
1309425;1445986760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5240 @ 0.00055256 = 2.8954 BTC [+] {2} 
1309426;1445986821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40736 @ 0.00055269 = 22.5144 BTC [+]
1309427;1445986943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00055182 = 4.9686 BTC [-]
1309428;1445987398;mircea_popescu;guy prolly uses that address for everythinfg
1309429;1445988285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87650 @ 0.00055298 = 48.4687 BTC [+] {4} 
1309430;1445988845;thestringpuller;http://www.coindesk.com/visa-docusign-car-lease-proof-of-concept-bitcoin/ << what's with these finance companies wanting to spam the blockchain?
1309431;1445988887;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller if you were in their shoes, what would you do differently ?
1309432;1445988918;thestringpuller;i would invest in deedbot prolly
1309433;1445988929;VariaVarietatis;asciilifeform: help me out?
1309434;1445988936;VariaVarietatis;with my situation
1309435;1445988995;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: from what this article tells me, they basically built a thing for docusign to hash physical contracts to the blockchain
1309436;1445989017;trinque;fancy that. how innovative
1309437;1445989020;thestringpuller;have no idea what this provides other than more visibility for auditing, but dunno...seems...moot...empty
1309438;1445989037;thestringpuller;in this context at least
1309439;1445989046;trinque;as for investing in deedbot I don't see the angle
1309440;1445989064;pete_dushenski;trinque buying you groceries !
1309441;1445989081;pete_dushenski;millions of dollars worth of kraft singles and cheese puffs
1309442;1445989119;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/are_law_schools_lying_to_their.html << this is pretty good.
1309443;1445989120;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Are Law Schools Lying To Their Applicants? ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7Zcag )
1309444;1445989127;*;trinque gags, kraft is forbidden
1309445;1445989130;mircea_popescu;Which brings us to the first point, the main point: law schools are lying.  Despite the fact that "JDs face the grimmest job market in decades" the schools are somehow reporting to prosepctive applicants that, e.g., "93% of grads are working" and "the median starting salary of graduates in the private sector is $160,000."
1309446;1445989130;mircea_popescu;How do they do this?  "Enron-type accounting standards..."says a law professor.  "Every time I look at this data, I feel dirty."
1309447;1445989130;mircea_popescu;A law grad, for instance, counts as "employed after nine months" even if he or she has a job that doesn't require a law degree. Waiting tables at Applebee's? You're employed.
1309448;1445989130;mircea_popescu;
1309449;1445989131;pete_dushenski;trinque not to mention the gold-plated tank to pick up said groceries and drop them off at your house
1309450;1445989132;mircea_popescu;The schools do this because the schools are extremely profitable businesses: high cost, low margin.
1309451;1445989149;pete_dushenski;trinque but free !
1309452;1445989168;trinque;pete_dushenski: consider it a small investment of my own
1309453;1445989231;mircea_popescu;"They fake it because that pointless data gets handed over to the illusionists at US News along with other pointless data (expenditure per student, library facilities, max bench press) to generate a single overall ranking, which is just the kind of simplistic, pseudoscience objectivity that students, parents, and schools demand.
1309454;1445989231;mircea_popescu;A quick word on the US News rankings.  25% of the ranking comes from a "peer quality assessment" in which schools rate each other.  So, say you are Clemson Law School.  What should you do?  "Rate all other programs below average."  And, of course, do what University of Wisconsin did: give the highest score only to itself and one other school that you're not really competing against.  You can also bring up that "alumni
1309455;1445989231;mircea_popescu;donations" factor by calling alumni and asking them to donate $5, and whoever doesn't donate label as deceased."
1309456;1445989240;mircea_popescu;all of this is ACTUALLY going on. and has been. for years, decades.
1309457;1445989248;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu same gig with med schools, particularly in uk and caribbean
1309458;1445989249;trinque;pete_dushenski: as for the dust it churns through, I'm sure at some point I'll have it announce when the tank is low so that the gentlemen here can refill it
1309459;1445989258;mircea_popescu;aha./
1309460;1445989287;mircea_popescu;"A ranking, like the "percent employed", is an example of information bias.  You think you know something, but you don't.   If Fordham is #21, is that different than saying it is #29?  Or saying it is in the second decile?  It's a deliberately obfuscated precision that you can't act on.  That level of "certainty" does not inform your decisions."
1309461;1445989311;mircea_popescu;specifically. "precision that you can't act upon". could be the "web analytics" business as well.
1309462;1445989372;pete_dushenski;the difference between web analytics and law degree is that the latter at leaves you with a useful mental framework once it's burned your bucks
1309463;1445989391;pete_dushenski;at least leaves*
1309464;1445989421;mircea_popescu;does not.
1309465;1445989429;mircea_popescu;leaves the same hole anything made by ustards leaves.
1309466;1445989436;mircea_popescu;"See?  Grade inflation.  We already know about the problem of grade inflation in colleges; the LSAT was supposed to help offset this by offering a standardization.  Now the ABA wants to do away with the LSAT  requirement.  Fine.  But the result of all this is you can't really be sure how you compare to other applicants, so instead you demand objectivity in the schools' rankings as a proxy to guess where you might belon
1309467;1445989436;mircea_popescu;g.  "I think I belong in a top tier school..."  How do you know?   The analogy is you have no idea what kind of a man you are and thus what kind of a woman would be right for you, so you just harass the girls that other people think are the best.  Then if you don't get her you're angry at the girl ("these bitches just want jocks and legacy applicants"); and if you get her you're surprised to find that three years with
1309468;1445989439;mircea_popescu;her has left you unfulfilled."
1309469;1445989466;mircea_popescu;that hole. relationships, business arrangements, political arrangements, scientific models, all of it the same exact hole left behind. "this is where nothing used to be".
1309470;1445989542;mircea_popescu;"And once they're in law school, there is more grade inflation and even retroactive adding of .333 to everybody's GPA.    And now law school graduates are surprised to find they're unemployed.  Law students had no real measure of their status as an applicant; no reliable descriptor of what kind of a school they went to (short of branding); and no reliable measure of their performance there.  "What do you mean I can't g
1309471;1445989542;mircea_popescu;et hired?"  They think to themselves,  "amn't I bright? Hard working? Fluent in legal theory?"  And the employers respond, "how the hell would we know that?""
1309472;1445989556;mircea_popescu;fucking hell. when i was that age i knew exactly where i could go. EVERYWHERE. and so did they.
1309473;1445989593;mircea_popescu;given three kids ahead of you and three kids behind you you could ALWAYS pick at least two of each kind.
1309474;1445989727;pete_dushenski;imo the mental framework that a (canadian/uk) legal degree provides is that i) there are always loopholes to exploit, ii) you can debate anything, iii) don't ask a question unless you know the answer.
1309475;1445989748;pete_dushenski;if you can take these 3 points away from law school, and some connections, you'll be better for it.
1309476;1445989777;mircea_popescu;allow me to refer to the source material in my response.
1309477;1445989778;mircea_popescu;"WHEN Mr. Wallerstein started at Thomas Jefferson, he was in no mood for austerity. He borrowed so much that before the start of his first semester he nearly put a down payment on a $350,000 two-bedroom, two-bath condo, figuring that the investment would earn a profit by the time he graduated. ...Mr. Wallerstein rented a spacious apartment. He also spent a month studying in the South of France and a month in Prague --
1309478;1445989779;mircea_popescu;all on borrowed money. There were cost-of-living loans, and tuition of about $33,000 a year. Later came a $15,000 loan to cover months of studying for the bar.
1309479;1445989779;mircea_popescu;
1309480;1445989780;mircea_popescu;He lives with his fiancee who is "unperturbed by his dizzying collection of i.o.u.'s."  She doesn't want him to get a corporate law job because (take a sip first): "we like hanging out together."  Carly, another unemployed law graduate explains, "I guess I kind of assumed that someone would hook me up with something."  I'm sure she felt she deserved it."
1309481;1445989785;mircea_popescu;ok ?
1309482;1445989830;mircea_popescu;sure, my hos regularly get two bedroom, two bathroom apts, provided a) they're good at what they do and b) live in pairs or triples.
1309483;1445989835;mircea_popescu;who the fuck does this schmuck think he is ?
1309484;1445989856;pete_dushenski;so the skools let raving idjits in and suckered them for everything the banks were dumb enough to loan them
1309485;1445989862;mircea_popescu;he "likes to hang out" ? bring me the largest pike.
1309486;1445989896;mircea_popescu;MR. WALLERSTEIN, for his part, is not complaining. Once you throw in the intangibles of having a J.D., he says, he is one of law schools' satisfied customers.
1309487;1445989896;mircea_popescu;"It's a prestige thing," he says. "I'm an attorney. All of my friends see me as a person they look up to."
1309488;1445989897;pete_dushenski;because corporate lawyers work 80 hours a week and sop up their tears with $500k - $1.5 mn a year.
1309489;1445989901;mircea_popescu;douchy needs better friends.
1309490;1445989935;pete_dushenski;and more starving
1309491;1445989947;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski this is where i go "had he spent the 350k on bitcoin in 2011, he'd have a little over 500k-1.5mn a year now"
1309492;1445989958;mircea_popescu;it's a... prestige thing.
1309493;1445989978;pete_dushenski;50k btc isn't prestige enough. mkay.
1309494;1445989991;mircea_popescu;"They understand I'm in a lot of debt, but I've done something they feel they could never do and the respect and admiration is important." [my edit: he isn't actually practicing law.]"
1309495;1445990000;mircea_popescu;who the fuck could never do that!
1309496;1445990007;pete_dushenski;i want that ignonimy
1309497;1445990017;mircea_popescu;everyone in argentina is a lawyer btw. im telling you, this country is the logical conclusion of that country.
1309498;1445990030;pete_dushenski;ignominy* (of 50k coins)
1309499;1445990056;mircea_popescu;Unless, somehow, the debt just goes away. Another of Mr. Wallerstein's techniques for remaining cool in a serious financial pickle: believe that the pickle might somehow disappear.
1309500;1445990056;mircea_popescu;"Bank bailouts, company bailouts -- I don't know, we're the generation of bailouts," he says in a hallway during a break from his Peak Discovery job. "And like, this debt of mine is just sort of, it's a little illusory. I feel like at some point, I'll negotiate it away, or they won't collect it."
1309501;1445990056;mircea_popescu;He gives a slight shrug and a smile as he heads back to work. "It could be worse," he says. "It's not like they can put me jail."
1309502;1445990059;mircea_popescu;right ?
1309503;1445990098;mircea_popescu;someone should go into fucking middle east to be blown to bits by really angry men, to protect this pasty ass' dumbass notions of reality. this is worth doing.
1309504;1445990102;pete_dushenski;except arg doesn't have huge inflows of productive immigrants that usistan does. so ima bet on a different fate, similarity in lawyer pestilence aside.
1309505;1445990112;mircea_popescu;of course it does. chinese.
1309506;1445990125;pete_dushenski;oh ?
1309507;1445990128;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1309508;1445990136;mircea_popescu;every productive anything is held by the azns.
1309509;1445990139;mircea_popescu;sound familiar ?
1309510;1445990151;mircea_popescu;when i want to deal, i talk to old chinese women.
1309511;1445990156;pete_dushenski;like every accounting office here, like every teller at every bank here, yes.
1309512;1445990163;mircea_popescu;i have yet to have met any argentine in any sort of position of power or relevancy of any kind whatsoever.
1309513;1445990181;mircea_popescu;i ocasionally encounter derps living the delusions of the foregoing, who i threaten and they go away.
1309514;1445990222;mircea_popescu;funyn thing being that they seem blisfully unaware of this.
1309515;1445990309;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309020 << heh. that mats...
1309516;1445990309;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 18:14:25; asciilifeform: it is in fact the very definition of sabotage.
1309517;1445990312;mircea_popescu;"Let's take all this at face value.  Is he entitled?  Delusional?  I don't doubt for a moment he sincerely believes he is a lawyer, because lawyer for him isn't a profession or even a job, it's a label, a code word for a kind of intellectualism he wants for himself.  As long as "all of my friends see me as..." it was well worth the cost.  He didn't study to become an attorney, he bought a back-up identity." << exactly
1309518;1445990313;mircea_popescu;this. they thing "oh, patria si buitres no", "soberania" blablabla. then talk football and peronismo. and don't matter. and it's ok, because THEIR FRIENDS see them as people.
1309519;1445990371;pete_dushenski;goldfish v. shark : round mcixxx
1309520;1445990453;pete_dushenski;re : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
1309521;1445990455;assbot;The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6pIga )
1309522;1445990471;pete_dushenski;was that only last month ? feels like longer ago.
1309523;1445990531;pete_dushenski;man, b-a time infused with parenting time is straight trippy
1309524;1445990874;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309131 << speaking of novels, how comes that book you were working on ?
1309525;1445990874;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.
1309526;1445990888;mircea_popescu;i wasn't.
1309527;1445990921;*;pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in trilema article in last 6 months
1309528;1445991010;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/
1309529;1445991011;assbot;The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDYeIu )
1309530;1445991125;mats;in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
1309531;1445991152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17910 @ 0.00055182 = 9.8831 BTC [-]
1309532;1445991157;mircea_popescu;ya but it didn't get picked up.
1309533;1445991245;pete_dushenski;mats you're too cool to recognise/fellate your betters ?
1309534;1445991245;mats;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.
1309535;1445991245;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'
1309536;1445991332;mats;i don't have your exhibitionist streak.
1309537;1445991632;mats;this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on? then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets. then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.
1309538;1445991695;mats;look: i get the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set to 10, however...
1309539;1445991920;mircea_popescu;the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
1309540;1445992049;mats;folks reading along, that are having trouble divining the meaning of 'RAP': http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307787
1309541;1445992050;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 17:26:37; mats: https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf
1309542;1445992381;asciilifeform;mats, mircea_popescu: possibly both of you know this, but i am allergic to 'mitigations' largely on account of my profession.
1309543;1445992387;asciilifeform;it is my day job.
1309544;1445992432;asciilifeform;i have russinovich's 'windows internals' on my desk.
1309545;1445992433;asciilifeform;yes.
1309546;1445992633;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309530 << unlike some other folks, my cock is not plugged into the mains socket, so this doesn't do anything noteworthy.
1309547;1445992633;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
1309548;1445992692;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309534 << do i misunderstand or is this the 'you are too small for them to spend a master key on' 'defence' ?
1309549;1445992692;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.
1309550;1445992747;asciilifeform;now i am not a 'famous & respected' type, so i'm not yet at the 'worth a car bomb' level. but i will confess that i am at the 'disconnected phones at places with no paper association with me ring and ask by name' level.
1309551;1445992749;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1309552;1445992792;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/658624900849012737   <<< moar like butthurt in action.
1309553;1445992836;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309539 << it is because i know what the 'fixes' actually lead to.
1309554;1445992836;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
1309555;1445992842;asciilifeform;namely, more of the problem, in spades.
1309556;1445993221;mats;this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'
1309557;1445993290;asciilifeform;the layering creates the festering gangrene which then requires new layers, etc.
1309558;1445993326;mats;security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes
1309559;1445993353;asciilifeform;mats: for whom, then ?
1309560;1445993456;mats;those of means, that understand how to layer without creating as many bugs than were presumed to have been squashed
1309561;1445993468;asciilifeform;mats: you do not see complexity per se as a bug ?
1309562;1445993811;mats;its a curve.
1309563;1445993825;mircea_popescu;shinohai lmao nobody gave a shit ?
1309564;1445993832;mircea_popescu;this so reminds me of nefario's "conference"
1309565;1445993890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform be that as it may, each and every markslord is more than free to use his resources whichever way he pleases.
1309566;1445993925;asciilifeform;for some odd reason mats reminds me of the articles about the monstrously fat folks that BingoBoingo linked to. the ones where they demand that doctor treat the 1,001 consequences of their 5,000 calorie intake without mentioning the elephant in the room.
1309567;1445993955;mircea_popescu;apparently it's marcher lord in english. anyway
1309568;1445993957;asciilifeform;and yes, if mats wants to be this kind of doctor - not only is he free to, but there is a tremendous bezzle market for the service.
1309569;1445994061;asciilifeform;to the point that being ANY OTHER KIND is something you do under a blanket, at night.
1309570;1445994064;asciilifeform;for no pay.
1309571;1445994066;asciilifeform;as i do here.
1309572;1445994192;asciilifeform;i can't help but wonder what my published work thus far (in re: therealbitcoin, v, etc.) looks like to mats. probably looks like entirely baseless lunacy, like an eiffel tower glued from tongue depressors
1309573;1445994218;mats;idk why you'd think that.
1309574;1445994264;asciilifeform;well, for one thing, i'm not adding layers
1309575;1445994350;phf;jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.
1309576;1445994550;jurov;phf i did not even try llvm to eat it whole. first i wanted to try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link that one to interpreter
1309577;1445994620;jurov;wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld to place it as exported symbol in that euclient.so, dunno why
1309578;1445994659;jurov;it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section
1309579;1445994725;mats;then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.
1309580;1445994837;jurov;mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?
1309581;1445994860;mircea_popescu;more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?
1309582;1445994861;phf;jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.
1309583;1445994868;mircea_popescu;wtf, curve gotta mean somethingh
1309584;1445994975;phf;jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.
1309585;1445995113;jurov;what do you mean?
1309586;1445995154;jurov;there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...
1309587;1445995178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110502 @ 0.00054661 = 60.4015 BTC [-] {4} 
1309588;1445995206;jurov;and did you end up with something that can be released?
1309589;1445995221;jurov;phf: at all?
1309590;1445995239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34899 @ 0.00055313 = 19.3037 BTC [+]
1309591;1445995422;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43770 @ 0.00054467 = 23.8402 BTC [-] {2} 
1309592;1445995692;mircea_popescu;iirc it\s in the wiki
1309593;1445995786;phf;jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.
1309594;1445996115;phf;i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is
1309595;1445996163;asciilifeform;i must have missed it: what was the motivation for attempting these chimeras ?
1309596;1445996254;mircea_popescu;trying to play eulora.
1309597;1445996306;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/this_time_its_esp.html <<< pretty fucking lulzy. psych journal publishes phys study, everyone misses every point.
1309598;1445996308;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: This Time It's ESP ... ( http://bit.ly/1kP1ig2 )
1309599;1445996308;mircea_popescu;"Exactly.  So you should have sent it to the physicists.  You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do.  That was the whole reason for universities, right?
1309600;1445996308;mircea_popescu;No, I'm a dummy.  The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money.  And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary.  NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."
1309601;1445996314;asciilifeform;it needs two compilers to build ?!!
1309602;1445996360;phf;asciilifeform: only if you're trying to be lazy :>
1309603;1445996412;mircea_popescu;lol
1309604;1445996597;phf;asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize
1309605;1445996611;asciilifeform;ah! applism.
1309606;1445996688;asciilifeform;i swore off ever building anything for crapple's gui again after they abolished 'carbon' (their c hooks thing)
1309607;1445996698;mircea_popescu;but people wanna play on macs!
1309608;1445996728;asciilifeform;what if they wanted to play on nintendo ?
1309609;1445996730;asciilifeform;gonna port for it ?
1309610;1445996739;mircea_popescu;i dun see why not.
1309611;1445996744;mats;i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?
1309612;1445996763;mircea_popescu;actually there's a bunch of people playing on mac
1309613;1445996766;*;mircea_popescu just looked
1309614;1445996767;asciilifeform;mats: why are you convinced that it is actually reduced ?
1309615;1445996781;asciilifeform;rather than enlarged in places where you aren't seeing ?
1309616;1445996794;asciilifeform;(there are, elementarily, a great many new 'places'.)
1309617;1445996804;mircea_popescu;mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?
1309618;1445996813;jurov;asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is try to piggyback bots into existing client
1309619;1445996819;mircea_popescu;or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?
1309620;1445996847;mircea_popescu;jurov you actually working on a jurovbot ?
1309621;1445996867;mats;grsec restrictions on 'sysfs' reduces attack surface by mitigating information leak vulnerabilities, for example
1309622;1445996900;jurov;under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just trying misc around
1309623;1445996913;asciilifeform;mats: at what cost?
1309624;1445996918;mats;mircea_popescu: no
1309625;1445996918;asciilifeform;and leaking where?
1309626;1445996922;mats;haven't read
1309627;1445996931;asciilifeform;let me guess, to malicious process
1309628;1445996938;asciilifeform;(why is it on your box to begin with??)
1309629;1445996966;mircea_popescu;well, there's a time for everything.
1309630;1445997045;phf;jurov: so http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)
1309631;1445997049;assbot;OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )
1309632;1445997091;jurov;phf, windows and linux builds are likely to depend on absolute paths, too, don't sweat it
1309633;1445997104;jurov;er.. linux not, but windows
1309634;1445997168;phf;jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that
1309635;1445997176;jurov;and you may want to get ftp account from mircea in advance, he has very strict security procedures on that
1309636;1445997195;mircea_popescu;i do ?
1309637;1445997200;jurov;i couldn't login via sftp, got banned, etc. took it few days :D
1309638;1445997201;phf;hehe
1309639;1445997223;mircea_popescu;lol well... i think is standard knowledge by now, but if it isn't : do NOT retry that fifth time.
1309640;1445997225;phf;"ftp://upload:password@eulorum.org"? :)
1309641;1445997237;mircea_popescu;if your ssh/sftpd "does not work", just like if your atm pin doesn't work, try twice
1309642;1445997252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00055378 = 4.9563 BTC [+] {3} 
1309643;1445997275;mats;yes, anything not-root doesn't get access to certain things that enable attacker to recon system
1309644;1445997302;mircea_popescu;mats do you understand conceptually what "burning" is ?
1309645;1445997336;mircea_popescu;in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".
1309646;1445997572;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308991 << had some time to take a closer look and noticed the thing you linked is from Middletown Connecticut (the state in which I live) -- no I do not know those guys, if that's who you meant.
1309647;1445997572;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING
1309648;1445997602;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1309649;1445997677;kakobrekla;chan sucks now
1309650;1445997686;danielpbarron;clicking around I found a page on the role of women that isn't totally wrong, but it's in that same 90s style as the one you linked, whereas the root directory is some web 2.0 looking garbage, so I'm not sure if that's still their stance
1309651;1445997771;mircea_popescu;better error messages kakobrekla
1309652;1445997940;danielpbarron;the only church I attended was a sort of basement thing at a neighbor's house, and that was only for a couple years in my mid 20s
1309653;1445998211;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << aaaand tlp singlehandedly sinks the entire "get babes self help" nonsense.
1309654;1445998213;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: When Is It Okay To Rape A Woman? ... ( http://bit.ly/209bKiS )
1309655;1445998215;mircea_popescu;my hat's off.
1309656;1445998799;mats;mircea_popescu: in that sentence, no
1309657;1445998818;mircea_popescu;in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.
1309658;1445999082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00055391 = 35.2287 BTC [+] {3} 
1309659;1445999448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00055159 = 4.1921 BTC [-] {2} 
1309660;1445999542;trinque;interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.
1309661;1445999673;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309050 << perhaps no thinking man is complete without being able to avoid the failure modes of the ancient parts
1309662;1445999673;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?
1309663;1445999804;trinque;it seems more than that, too, but I continue to digest.
1309664;1445999928;trinque;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-10-2015#1307643 << in the case here, somewhere in that lower part of the mind perhaps there is buried revulsion which would serve to make the solution clear.
1309665;1445999928;assbot;Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
1309666;1446000475;BingoBoingo;classic http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/couple_reveals_childs_gender_f.html
1309667;1446000477;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Couple Reveals Child's Gender Five Years Too Late ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6BtTA )
1309668;1446000548;BingoBoingo;"The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."
1309669;1446000597;BingoBoingo;"because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."
1309670;1446001278;phf;trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular
1309671;1446001278;phf;interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect
1309672;1446001294;phf;*to track lag
1309673;1446001641;deedbot-;[Qntra] Karpeles Arrested on Still More Embezzlement Charges - http://qntra.net/2015/10/karpeles-arrested-on-still-more-embezzlement-charges/
1309674;1446001677;BingoBoingo;^ For the daily chuckle
1309675;1446001881;mircea_popescu;trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.
1309676;1446001913;mircea_popescu;you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.
1309677;1446001943;mircea_popescu;by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.
1309678;1446001943;mircea_popescu;etc.
1309679;1446001986;mircea_popescu;if your "hindbrain" observably malfunctions you've been stupid, insistently, for a long long time.
1309680;1446002022;trinque;indeed
1309681;1446002109;trinque;phf: makes sense; I'll see about that this weekend
1309682;1446002155;BingoBoingo;https://www.tacobell.com/steal-a-breakfast?partnerId=as_mlb_20151028_54562836&adbid=659190778174959616&adbpl=tw&adbpr=28603812 << Everyone in America gets a Free A.M Crunchwrap November 5th. There will be Beetus.
1309683;1446002156;assbot;Steal a Base Steal a Breakfast - Taco Bell ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DBLg )
1309684;1446002170;mircea_popescu;"I've started a new site, Partial Objects, which is a short form, high post frequency version of TLP, and I'm going to use TLP for longer posts." << gone, sadly.
1309685;1446002212;BingoBoingo;Eh, it wasn't near the same quality
1309686;1446002219;mircea_popescu;a, you saw it ?
1309687;1446002227;mircea_popescu;i'm like, late to all the parties.
1309688;1446002233;BingoBoingo;Way back when
1309689;1446002261;kakobrekla;http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://partialobjects.com
1309690;1446002263;assbot;Internet Archive Wayback Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6DHCq )
1309691;1446002392;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/ohio_mom_in_jail_for.html << alsonotbad.
1309692;1446002393;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Ohio Mom In Jail For Sending Kids To The Wrong School ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9op9Q )
1309693;1446002407;mircea_popescu;"Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?"   Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get."  The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public.  Ther
1309694;1446002407;mircea_popescu;e's no news here, this is propaganda."
1309695;1446002421;mircea_popescu;"Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket.  Pay us.  If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."
1309696;1446002428;mircea_popescu;a ty kakobrekla
1309697;1446002595;mircea_popescu;http://web.archive.org/web/20120504055119/http://partialobjects.com/2012/04/inmate-brags-about-how-great-it-is-to-be-in-prison/ etc
1309698;1446002597;assbot;Inmate brags about how great it is to be in prison | Partial Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6E146 )
1309699;1446002735;mircea_popescu;i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?
1309700;1446002792;mircea_popescu;Recently, a rising Hollywood superstar saved a young woman�s life from an oncoming cab in New York City. Most women would swoon over a guy like this coming into contact with her let alone him being a hero (a real human being) to her. Instead, she revealed a very telling thing about her nature
1309701;1446002793;mircea_popescu;�But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think that�s lazy storytelling, and I�m sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.�
1309702;1446002807;mircea_popescu;holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.
1309703;1446002898;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/tech_sunday_william.html << in which tlp knows ssh.
1309704;1446002899;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Tech Sunday: Will.I.Am Gets A Job At Intel ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9pnmj )
1309705;1446003583;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1309706;1446003590;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.02, vol: 32228.33781101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 294.464, vol: 11510.23018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 301.16, vol: 33008.299874 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.0, vol: 13.06657335 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 307.5215, vol: 58036.45200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.0, vol: 248.71157344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 290.274105482, vol: 159.56766567 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1309707;1446003594;BingoBoingo;;;more
1309708;1446003595;gribble;303.027303434
1309709;1446004152;phf;trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/157633 untested, but that's the general idea
1309710;1446004153;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9rDdm )
1309711;1446004328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.0005541 = 19.1165 BTC [+] {3} 
1309712;1446004572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4474 @ 0.00055414 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
1309713;1446004877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61247 @ 0.00055414 = 33.9394 BTC [+]
1309714;1446004970;BingoBoingo;http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/27/kung-fu-blue-california-police-officers-nunchuks
1309715;1446004971;assbot;Martial law: California police officers to be equipped with nunchuks | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ms2nGK )
1309716;1446005609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15763 @ 0.00055193 = 8.7001 BTC [-]
1309717;1446007012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00055193 = 41.7811 BTC [-]
1309718;1446007015;mircea_popescu;"every time history repeats itself, the price goes up."
1309719;1446007195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64874 @ 0.00055191 = 35.8046 BTC [-] {3} 
1309720;1446007461;mircea_popescu;"An observation: Sheen went publicly insane early last week.  It wasn't until this Tuesday night, after Extra and Today started showing the goddesses, that the court ordered an extraction team to medivac his kids. He's had a week of full on insanity, 20/20 had an entire crew in his house last Saturday, Radar was in there all day and no one felt obligated to rescue the children, but go on TV and publicly say you like mu
1309721;1446007461;mircea_popescu;ltiple vaginas and they put your name on a database.  No more interstate travel for you."
1309722;1446007464;mircea_popescu;i...lollered.
1309723;1446007498;mircea_popescu;oh and also,
1309724;1446007498;mircea_popescu;"The only thing you're never supposed to do in psychiatry is offer an opinion without conducting a full psychiatric examination, they're very emphatic about this, which is weird because half your grade on the psychiatric board exam comes from diagnosing a guy in a 10 minute video clip from 1977.  (Academic dishonesty spoiler alert: he has OCD.) "
1309725;1446011066;mircea_popescu;"The first step is to make the other person feel important, that she has been heard. She's upset, so you assure her that you're going to take on her level of intensity to handle the situation, you will make it as much of a priority for you as it obviously is for her"
1309726;1446011073;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaha. tlp is an idiot now!
1309727;1446011098;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, empowering the michael moore strategy, "you're a fucking nobody trying to appear important and we're going to take you seriously!" ? fuck that shit.
1309728;1446011192;mircea_popescu;"Finally, in every conflict, the ones you can win and the ones you can't, unless you really want to fight you must always give the other person a saving-face way to back down.   No one, especially nowadays, wants to walk away in shame, they'd rather die, or kill you.  Angry Mom stupidly made this public, and so she has no way to back down unless you, as the more powerful person, the one with understanding, give her one
1309729;1446011192;mircea_popescu;."
1309730;1446011193;mircea_popescu;mno.
1309731;1446011210;mircea_popescu;sometimes people just don't get what they want. and in THEIR case, it's all the time anyway, so best be well used to it.
1309732;1446011310;mircea_popescu;often the correct solution is the one daphna waxman met ; invent an exquisite, heretofore ~inimaginable~ EVEN MORE humiliating retreat, and let them chose the shameful retreat they weren't originally going to choose, and be thankful for it.
1309733;1446011317;mircea_popescu;overton window for retards.
1309734;1446012197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42546 @ 0.0005519 = 23.4811 BTC [-] {2} 
1309735;1446012502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25688 @ 0.00055435 = 14.2401 BTC [+] {2} 
1309736;1446012564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00055438 = 13.3606 BTC [+]
1309737;1446012602;mircea_popescu;heh. "But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. It's as if our facts were losing their truth: claims that have been enshrined in textbooks are suddenly unprovable. This phenomenon doesn't yet have an official name, but it's occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."
1309738;1446012618;mircea_popescu;supposedly "decline effect", http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html
1309739;1446012619;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Decline Effect Is Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FngU )
1309740;1446012658;mircea_popescu;in fact it's just that "psychology" or "ecology" ARE NOT FIELDS. they do not produce valid science. they never have. yes, they churn out "studies". those studies have no scientific value, and no importance whatsoever past their PSEUDOscientific value.
1309741;1446012676;mircea_popescu;neither my e nor my planck constant have "declined" over time.
1309742;1446012859;mircea_popescu;(turns out tlp says the exact same thing in more words. hurray for blogging.)
1309743;1446013173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00055437 = 7.1237 BTC [-] {2} 
1309744;1446013417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108100 @ 0.00055451 = 59.9425 BTC [+] {4} 
1309745;1446013599;BingoBoingo;Could be dementia setting in
1309746;1446013633;mircea_popescu;in me or in him ?
1309747;1446013645;BingoBoingo;him
1309748;1446013655;BingoBoingo;about the right age with his drinking
1309749;1446013682;mircea_popescu;heh. should have another good decade i figure.
1309750;1446013778;BingoBoingo;Depends on his consumption. Also the early stages can be subtle.
1309751;1446013799;mircea_popescu;how's the rum treatin' ya, anyways ?
1309752;1446013829;BingoBoingo;Actually went to a meeting tonight. Was gifted a book of extraordinary size.
1309753;1446013860;mircea_popescu;folio ?
1309754;1446013878;BingoBoingo;Nah, more like a bible, but printed on real paper
1309755;1446013896;mircea_popescu;http://www.carti-online.com/images/george-calinescu-istoria-literaturii-romane-de-la-origini-pana-in-prezent-3674.jpg << largest b ook i ever owned.
1309756;1446013897;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6GEob )
1309757;1446013906;mircea_popescu;literally folio size, it's a good foot tall
1309758;1446013928;BingoBoingo;Not literally huge. Just size is a part of its common name.
1309759;1446013980;mircea_popescu;34x26 cm, turns out.
1309760;1446013993;mircea_popescu;foot and two inches.
1309761;1446013999;BingoBoingo;Damn that's big
1309762;1446014055;mircea_popescu;the literature it discusses isn't that big.
1309763;1446014109;BingoBoingo;Aha, big in all the wrong places
1309764;1446014154;BingoBoingo;Also, BitBet trusts Disney as a resolution source? https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/
1309765;1446014155;assbot;BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 0.16 B (73%) on Yes, 0.06 B (27%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 99`761 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBhiep )
1309766;1446014249;mircea_popescu;mod also asked. i ok'd it. whatevs, people who wanna bet on derpy us movies deserve whatever they get.
1309767;1446014294;mircea_popescu;in other news, the cuminal. http://thefemalecuntainer3.tumblr.com/post/119674246703/more-of-this-excellent-idea
1309768;1446014296;assbot;Three holes on two legs with one purpose — More of this excellent idea ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6HmBK )
1309769;1446014363;BingoBoingo;I kinda thought about tossing a couple pennies at it, but there's gotta be more interesting stuff in the future.
1309770;1446014673;mircea_popescu;hm, anyone here actually has a steam account ?
1309771;1446014744;BingoBoingo;I think I had one at some point, but I've changed email addresses so many times likely unrecoverable.
1309772;1446014769;mircea_popescu;aha
1309773;1446014772;mircea_popescu;!s steam
1309774;1446014773;assbot;213 results for 'steam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steam
1309775;1446014850;mircea_popescu;incidentally let's ask phf the question too. hey, dja have any idea how to package c++ for steam ?
1309776;1446014908;mircea_popescu;seems rather typical / indicative that most references to steam have nothing to do with the platform.
1309777;1446015051;BingoBoingo;The energy transmission medium is the greater thing that name is attached to.
1309778;1446015243;mircea_popescu;well, it does own google for its own name, at least.
1309779;1446015313;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you still have a tardstalk acct ?
1309780;1446015334;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'd have to do a password reset. I'd rather just leave it abandoned.
1309781;1446015341;mircea_popescu;kay.
1309782;1446015349;mircea_popescu;tards just can't catch a break, can they.
1309783;1446015354;BingoBoingo;Nope.
1309784;1446015376;BingoBoingo;But seriously steam, the power transmission medium doesn't measure on Google?
1309785;1446015380;BingoBoingo;Fuck google
1309786;1446015426;mircea_popescu;unrelated, http://36.media.tumblr.com/11f168f56d1824a1bc9eade50e971c28/tumblr_noklf43dfS1utlf6uo1_1280.jpg
1309787;1446015427;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6IMwf )
1309788;1446016059;mircea_popescu;but anyway - eulora needs more noobs. gotta find them somehow.
1309789;1446016129;mircea_popescu;!up disident
1309790;1446016460;BingoBoingo;NSFL >> https://i.imgur.com/yvXCmqw.jpg
1309791;1446016461;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6KZrq )
1309792;1446016831;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/3W6R9mI << Loonies are crashing, safe for life
1309793;1446016832;assbot;Plummeting Loonie means Bitcoin above $400 in Canada! Yay! - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6LxNV )
1309794;1446017199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00055207 = 32.9034 BTC [-]
1309795;1446017260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51230 @ 0.00055493 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2} 
1309796;1446017330;mircea_popescu;https://boingboing.net/2014/12/31/how-imageboard-culture-shaped.html << shockingly, something intelligent on boing boing!
1309797;1446017331;assbot;How imageboard culture shaped Gamergate / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6MB4m )
1309798;1446017368;mircea_popescu;"This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren�t forcibly prevented from entering."
1309799;1446017455;mircea_popescu;"This makes anons perfect cover for harassers. Not being willing to accept bad faith arguments on their own terms and debate them as if they merited a response is seen as proof of the weakness of your arguments." except all bad arguments can be reduced by reference and demolished in their own terms. an INABILITY to do so speaks to the poor intellectual capacity of the unable, and it is in fact prima facie evidence that
1309800;1446017455;mircea_popescu; whatsoever ELSE they might have produced is probably as stupid as they are.
1309801;1446017745;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b23
1309802;1446017972;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1309803;1446017973;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.11, Best ask: 300.14, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 300.14, 24 hour volume: 32739.71401497, 24 hour low: 288.3, 24 hour high: 303.68, 24 hour vwap: None
1309804;1446017975;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1309805;1446017986;mircea_popescu;resistance dead huh.
1309806;1446018028;BingoBoingo;It's too early for me to call it.
1309807;1446018237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00055276 = 39.9645 BTC [-] {2} 
1309808;1446018408;mircea_popescu;unrelated to $300 btc, http://31.media.tumblr.com/02164d3f429182aea5bee2654d0af257/tumblr_njtof1fka01tonrdjo5_r1_500.gif
1309809;1446018409;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Oj5R )
1309810;1446019576;mircea_popescu;!up stefek99
1309811;1446021025;punkman;http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/42_Spankzor.jpg
1309812;1446021026;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ8nJP )
1309813;1446021049;*;mircea_popescu joined some random other channels
1309814;1446021056;*;mircea_popescu ran away screaming
1309815;1446021060;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck people are retarded.
1309816;1446021104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63191 @ 0.00055276 = 34.9295 BTC [-]
1309817;1446021866;punkman;http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/46_archivist2.jpg
1309818;1446021867;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhMkVU )
1309819;1446022873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00055316 = 19.3606 BTC [+]
1309820;1446023328;mircea_popescu;in other news, who's afraid of spiders ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/57b2db90fb46993d824204c0303dbc1a/tumblr_nlokkgstaM1qdla40o1_1280.jpg
1309821;1446023329;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N73Gtq )
1309822;1446023666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00055316 = 18.4479 BTC [+]
1309823;1446024093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00055316 = 13.0269 BTC [+]
1309824;1446024406;BingoBoingo;http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/28/0210212/pentagon-picks-northrup-grumman-for-next-gen-bomber
1309825;1446024408;assbot;Pentagon Picks Northrup Grumman For Next Gen Bomber - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75bYT )
1309826;1446024435;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSWfdHLWUAE52P2.png:large
1309827;1446024435;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75djc )
1309828;1446024445;mircea_popescu;heh
1309829;1446024448;mircea_popescu;hehehehehe
1309830;1446024462;mircea_popescu;bomber-submarine ?
1309831;1446024522;BingoBoingo;lol
1309832;1446024592;punkman;"The cryptographic flaw enabled an eavesdropper to exploit all Top Secret  data flowing thorough the "crown jewel systems" of U.S. Encryption  called the KG-13. An immediately and emergency modification to the circuits of the Koken  stages resolved this matter, but not after it have been in place for  over 20 years, and we had been leaking classified intelligence to the  Russians."
1309833;1446024877;punkman;dat cv https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
1309834;1446024877;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )
1309835;1446024912;punkman;you know, hamplanets have a lot of room for explosive implants
1309836;1446026045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00055316 = 35.4299 BTC [+]
1309837;1446026268;davout;thestringpuller: http://dpaste.com/10A56AQ.txt
1309838;1446026269;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1N780sS )
1309839;1446026899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.00055276 = 6.0887 BTC [-]
1309840;1446027204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76450 @ 0.00055318 = 42.2906 BTC [+] {2} 
1309841;1446028119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11058 @ 0.0005532 = 6.1173 BTC [+]
1309842;1446028607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46515 @ 0.00055243 = 25.6963 BTC [-] {4} 
1309843;1446029766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00055182 = 33.6058 BTC [-]
1309844;1446030925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00055182 = 21.6589 BTC [-]
1309845;1446031047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67950 @ 0.00055168 = 37.4867 BTC [-] {2} 
1309846;1446031474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00055321 = 21.7412 BTC [+] {3} 
1309847;1446031901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00055132 = 24.8094 BTC [-] {2} 
1309848;1446032450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00055079 = 34.8925 BTC [-] {2} 
1309849;1446032816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69492 @ 0.00055358 = 38.4694 BTC [+] {2} 
1309850;1446032877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6058 @ 0.00055504 = 3.3624 BTC [+] {3} 
1309851;1446033304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055099 = 14.9869 BTC [-] {2} 
1309852;1446036354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35013 @ 0.00055093 = 19.2897 BTC [-] {2} 
1309853;1446036842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192116 @ 0.00055535 = 106.6916 BTC [+] {7} 
1309854;1446037696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39538 @ 0.00055733 = 22.0357 BTC [+] {2} 
1309855;1446038975;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309423 << lol, pocket change is not "doing well". i need to liquidate anything & everything besides top earners and stash it into bitcoin & mpex, i don't want to try to solve an already solved problem
1309856;1446038975;assbot;Logged on 27-10-2015 22:51:39; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304851 << someone's doing well by translating trilema eh
1309857;1446039037;gabrielradio;i should probably use more than one address for receiving, shouldn't i
1309858;1446039281;*;gabrielradio realises the extent of his noobness, is going to work diligently towards getting out of it
1309859;1446039656;punkman;gabrielradio: what do you do besides translating?
1309860;1446039866;mircea_popescu;gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?
1309861;1446039919;gabrielradio;sports betting is my thing
1309862;1446039930;gabrielradio;mircea_popescu, not really
1309863;1446039947;mircea_popescu;aha
1309864;1446039956;gabrielradio;sports betting, but i try to approach it systematically. i have some guys analysing the games
1309865;1446039968;gabrielradio;i pay for their service and place the bets
1309866;1446040000;punkman;soccer?
1309867;1446040013;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1309868;1446040014;gabrielradio;soccer too, yea.
1309869;1446040021;gabrielradio;american sports
1309870;1446040040;gabrielradio;australian. basically market where there's value
1309871;1446040064;gabrielradio;*any market
1309872;1446040172;gabrielradio;main idea behind the whole thing is that bookies need to give odds for every possible game out there. instead, you only need to identify a few where they got it wrong
1309873;1446040232;mircea_popescu;bitbet might be an opportunity for you to play the reverse.
1309874;1446040242;mircea_popescu;it's been looking for bookies to push lines since forever, basically.
1309875;1446040390;gabrielradio;i thought your stance was that bitbet wasn't really interested in sports betting
1309876;1446040491;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309860 << re. eulora? i was interested in giving it a go
1309877;1446040491;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 13:44:26; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?
1309878;1446040594;mircea_popescu;re bets : it is, provided you actually got a bankroll for em.
1309879;1446040601;mircea_popescu;re eulora : http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora
1309880;1446040604;assbot;Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPP8N )
1309881;1446040607;mircea_popescu;i'll make you an acct once you get it running.
1309882;1446040810;gabrielradio;cool, i'll be on it today
1309883;1446040929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18714 @ 0.00055058 = 10.3036 BTC [-] {2} 
1309884;1446040990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34286 @ 0.00055049 = 18.8741 BTC [-]
1309885;1446041074;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo you able to process that article yet?
1309886;1446041074;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1309887;1446044162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72437 @ 0.00055045 = 39.8729 BTC [-] {3} 
1309888;1446045809;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100250 @ 0.00055043 = 55.1806 BTC [-]
1309889;1446046968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055043 = 3.798 BTC [-]
1309890;1446047189;PeterL;mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
1309891;1446047704;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b38
1309892;1446048470;lobbes;!s Xotica
1309893;1446048471;assbot;1 results for 'Xotica' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Xotica
1309894;1446048646;PeterL;naphex's thing, what was it called?
1309895;1446048678;PeterL;xotika.tv
1309896;1446049347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4728 @ 0.00055043 = 2.6024 BTC [-]
1309897;1446049752;funkenstein_;http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/282/1818/20151682 <-- reminded me of that great eugenics article I read recently ;)
1309898;1446049755;assbot;Polyspermy in birds: sperm numbers and embryo survival | Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFIKUo )
1309899;1446049806;funkenstein_;so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
1309900;1446049835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39174 @ 0.00055588 = 21.776 BTC [+] {2} 
1309901;1446049947;funkenstein_;*tree
1309902;1446050058;funkenstein_;so.. what exactly was meant by "forgetting the key" if one were to say, discard a vpatch / sig combo?
1309903;1446050096;PeterL;remove your key from the keys dir, so nothing you publish would be allowed in
1309904;1446050164;funkenstein_;wouldn't it only be allowed in if you put it in explicitly?
1309905;1446050200;funkenstein_;i was under the impression that part of the advantage here was having extensibility, pick and choose capability of what patches to use
1309906;1446050773;funkenstein_;might be worth noting that following mod6 v0.0.3: Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch will be doing the diff one dir up from the source
1309907;1446050781;funkenstein_;*vdiff
1309908;1446050798;funkenstein_;whereas all the other patches are made from outside the "bitcoin" directory
1309909;1446050839;funkenstein_;of course V still can be used in either case to apply any patch you like made from anywhere, just a minor annoyance
1309910;1446051063;Naphex;PeterL: it's coming
1309911;1446051074;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1309912;1446051155;*;mod6 looks
1309913;1446051205;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309899 << i originally wanted to build vdiff into v proper, but decided against it, for simplicity.
1309914;1446051205;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 16:30:06; funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
1309915;1446051238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143400 @ 0.00055733 = 79.9211 BTC [+] {6} 
1309916;1446051249;ascii_field;the important thing is that v (at least my version) has no notion of 'current checkout' or whatnot.
1309917;1446051267;mod6;funkenstein_: so the guide basically wants you to do this:
1309918;1446051274;mod6;cp -pr bitcoin a && cp -pr bitcoin b
1309919;1446051279;mod6;then make your changes in b
1309920;1446051296;mod6;then
1309921;1446051301;mod6;vdiff.sh a b > your_patch_name.vpatch
1309922;1446051314;mod6;that should give exactly the basing that you need.
1309923;1446051365;ascii_field;funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally
1309924;1446051374;mod6;i guess i should note that you should run this step first: mkdir -p a b
1309925;1446051413;mod6;then you copy in a "pressed" version or "branch" into a & b, make your changes in b, then vdiff, all should be happy.
1309926;1446051473;funkenstein_;my mistake was that inside a & b were: COPYING and /src directory
1309927;1446051484;funkenstein_;instead of a single directory "bitcoin" with that in it
1309928;1446051509;mod6;yup, no prob -- glad you asked.
1309929;1446051533;mod6;don't hesitate if you hit any other bumps in the road :]
1309930;1446051610;funkenstein_;ascii_field, I will do so thanks.
1309931;1446052519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16013 @ 0.00055773 = 8.9309 BTC [+] {2} 
1309932;1446053800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43063 @ 0.00055773 = 24.0175 BTC [+] {2} 
1309933;1446054099;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1309934;1446054111;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu 'Turns out that the grapics chips required a binary blob so we decided to drop supporting Lemote, they are just not getting the point. Mixing an open source CPU with an evil graphics chip is just retarded.'
1309935;1446054111;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1309936;1446054131;ascii_field;RIP closest-thing-to-chinese-workstation-cpu.
1309937;1446054166;*;ascii_field tried FOR YEARS to buy JUST ONE, never succeeded
1309938;1446054471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135903 @ 0.00055764 = 75.7849 BTC [-] {8} 
1309939;1446054532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65087 @ 0.00055755 = 36.2893 BTC [-]
1309940;1446055440;ascii_field;;;later tell mircea_popescu the fucking blimp broke loose. https://twitter.com/jmvfc8/status/659415973699670016/photo/1
1309941;1446055442;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1309942;1446055447;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00055547 = 39.189 BTC [-] {3} 
1309943;1446055588;ascii_field;see also http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/federal-workplace/bs-md-blimps-20150924-story.html
1309944;1446055589;assbot;Seventeen years and $2.7 billion in, Pentagon&apos;s high-tech blimps fail to deliver on promise - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1kb0Sjz )
1309945;1446055809;phf;mircea_popescu: afaiu, steam now funnels all indie submissions through "steam greenlight". you list your game for $100 fee, description, screenshots, gameplay videos, demos, etc. and the commoonity votes on whether or not they would want to see it in the store. they explicitly mention that for free games any sort of in game payments must been done exclusively through "steam wallet". the technical side involves integrating their
1309946;1446055809;phf;"steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
1309947;1446056002;thestringpuller;phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
1309948;1446056029;thestringpuller;but it's saved a lot of publishers from bankrupcy in the last 5 years or so.
1309949;1446056148;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1309950;1446056153;ascii_field;it's a kolhoz.
1309951;1446056166;ascii_field;exactly like apple's appstore, etc.
1309952;1446056185;ascii_field;saved from bankruptcy, yes, but now you are in a kolhoz.
1309953;1446056240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83372 @ 0.00055043 = 45.8904 BTC [-] {4} 
1309954;1446056323;thestringpuller;well maybe in app store, [other defacto walled garden here]. Steam is more of a distribution platform rather than a true walled garden.
1309955;1446056569;thestringpuller;ascii_field: from your perspective it would seem this has been going on in video games since the 80's
1309956;1446056591;thestringpuller;Nintendo was very much a walled garden distribution center for the NES/Famicom
1309957;1446056623;thestringpuller;one required "the nintendo seal of approval" to appear on a nintendo console and it usually saved developers/publishers since consumers at that shit up
1309958;1446056628;thestringpuller;Steam is no different imo
1309959;1446056789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00054955 = 25.5266 BTC [-] {3} 
1309960;1446057033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00055381 = 33.2563 BTC [+] {2} 
1309961;1446057460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00054808 = 39.8454 BTC [-] {5} 
1309962;1446057619;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309890 << notyet. ohai Naphex ?
1309963;1446057619;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 15:46:29; PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
1309964;1446057686;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha they lost their goodyear ?
1309965;1446057698;ascii_field;$1B radar aerostat.
1309966;1446057705;ascii_field;it was in the logz on a few occasions
1309967;1446057722;ascii_field;surveilled wash., d.c. region
1309968;1446057758;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309923 <<< probably good policy for everyone on their first/first few
1309969;1446057758;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 16:56:05; ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally
1309970;1446057768;mircea_popescu;ascii_field aha. pretty lulzy.
1309971;1446057784;mircea_popescu;i suppose if you find it, take extensive pics and blog them you're a terrorist, right ?
1309972;1446057795;ascii_field;naturally.
1309973;1446057846;ascii_field;last i hear it was found, floating in pennsylvania, somewhere.
1309974;1446057864;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309946 << i dun have a problem paying for their tits, whatevs. the issue is the "integrating sdk" whatever.
1309975;1446057864;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 18:10:09; phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
1309976;1446057892;mircea_popescu;currently there is no official way to buy eulora anything anywya. you want to, gotta find a player that does it.
1309977;1446057903;mircea_popescu;my subversion of the modes of ustardism is quite strong and well constructed.
1309978;1446057936;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309947 << issues of least concern. they can keep 100% for all i care.
1309979;1446057936;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 18:13:22; thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
1309980;1446057949;mircea_popescu;(i also won't be setting up any sort of payment anything)
1309981;1446058070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66540 @ 0.00055381 = 36.8505 BTC [+] {2} 
1309982;1446058093;phf;is there already an adhoc way to pay you btc to buy in game currency?
1309983;1446058110;mircea_popescu;yes
1309984;1446058116;mircea_popescu;but you'd be paying jurov.
1309985;1446058134;mircea_popescu;ie, gotta buy it from players.
1309986;1446058138;phf;right
1309987;1446058158;mircea_popescu;keeps inflation in check at any rate.
1309988;1446058163;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: don't think steam is practical for eulora.
1309989;1446058173;diametric;http://abc27.com/2015/10/28/runaway-blimp-crosses-lancaster-county/
1309990;1446058174;assbot;Runaway military blimp floats over Pennsylvania ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9IRhg )
1309991;1446058174;mircea_popescu;on the basis of what ?
1309992;1446058203;diametric;"It was floating northeast at around 30 mph. Authorities said it is equipped with a device to slowly deflate it, but it apparently is not working."
1309993;1446058236;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: steam is like the facebook of gaming. out of all the games people download from steam they play a small percent of them.
1309994;1446058253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055788 = 21.1437 BTC [+] {2} 
1309995;1446058254;thestringpuller;for instance during a steam sale, people will get like 50 games and play maybe 5
1309996;1446058283;mircea_popescu;not like it costs me anything.
1309997;1446058449;thestringpuller;true. what about n00b events?
1309998;1446058546;mircea_popescu;o look who's here.
1309999;1446058549;mircea_popescu;!up princessnell
1310000;1446058554;princessnell;hiya
1310001;1446058560;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller noobs get freebies as it is.
1310002;1446058566;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1310003;1446058570;ascii_field;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbJYYkXIAAHvZq.jpg
1310004;1446058571;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gHDU )
1310005;1446058580;mircea_popescu;kinda designed for noobs to make a killing really.
1310006;1446058608;ascii_field;but moreover, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbK0soWsAAU8vb.png
1310007;1446058609;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gMr3 )
1310008;1446058628;mircea_popescu;lol
1310009;1446058633;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: definitely, but for instance discovery quests, stuff that involves story etc.
1310010;1446058639;mircea_popescu;dja play the vidya, princessnell ?
1310011;1446058649;princessnell;which one?
1310012;1446058654;mircea_popescu;eulora, ofcourse!
1310013;1446058669;ascii_field;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbO-9UVAAA6mZ5.jpg << moar.
1310014;1446058669;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gPmU )
1310015;1446058679;princessnell;no, but i will now
1310016;1446058693;mircea_popescu;cool.
1310017;1446058703;mircea_popescu;check it out, eulora has like the best f:m ratio in all gaming.
1310018;1446058851;princessnell;really? better than candy crush?
1310019;1446058855;thestringpuller;XD
1310020;1446058862;mircea_popescu;princessnell actual majority, yo.
1310021;1446058915;*;mircea_popescu has been confiscating slave's pad, surrepetitiously playing candy crush! 
1310022;1446058917;mircea_popescu;no homo.
1310023;1446058940;mircea_popescu;just... ecclectic, let's call sluttery thus.
1310024;1446059091;kakobrekla;;;google candy crush
1310025;1446059091;gribble;Candy Crush Saga - King: <http://candycrushsaga.com/>; Candy Crush Saga on the App Store - iTunes - Apple: <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/candy-crush-saga/id553834731?mt=8>; Candy Crush Saga Online - Play the game at King.com: <https://king.com/#!/play/candycrush>
1310026;1446059118;kakobrekla;meh
1310027;1446059134;mircea_popescu;quarter billion / year, most of the uk economy, yo.
1310028;1446059154;mircea_popescu;all they got is this and fish/chips. who the fuck eats fish&chips.
1310029;1446059170;kakobrekla;o/
1310030;1446059473;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55660 @ 0.00055529 = 30.9074 BTC [-] {2} 
1310031;1446059688;punkman;"Looking for somebody who is fuzzing 64-bit #Chrome on a 1Gb Win7 VM with crash reporting turned on; @ChromiumDev are not happy w/ the noise"
1310032;1446059707;mircea_popescu;hahaha what!
1310033;1446059730;ascii_field;l0l!!
1310034;1446059736;mircea_popescu;check it out - disaster mitigation created a ddos avenue
1310035;1446059740;*;mircea_popescu waves at mats.
1310036;1446060415;punkman;pretty cheap eh http://www.amazon.com/Callebaut-Chocolate-Block-Semisweet-53-8%25/dp/B005IOXBY0/
1310037;1446060421;assbot;Amazon.com : Callebaut Chocolate Block Semisweet 53.8% cocoa 5 kilo / 11 lbs : Baking Chocolates : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2iBo7 )
1310038;1446060428;*;punkman is chipping away at a big piece
1310039;1446060886;punkman;http://niquette.com/books/101words/relatshp.htm
1310040;1446060887;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG9sw8 )
1310041;1446061029;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1310042;1446061072;ascii_field;https://twitter.com/AndyMehalshick/status/659448818241548288
1310043;1446061090;ascii_field;^ balloon tether shorting out power lines as it goes
1310044;1446061143;punkman;"Hi Andy - can MSNBC use this photo? Thanks in advance." "Hi Andy, can we (bostonglobe) use this photo?"
1310045;1446061363;punkman;"we don't have any money, but surely you want fame for 15 milliseconds"
1310046;1446062421;mircea_popescu;heh
1310047;1446062443;mircea_popescu;"you can, but you may not."?
1310048;1446062463;mircea_popescu;nobody actually remembers 2ndary level english do they.
1310049;1446062494;mircea_popescu;what if they weren't journos but "scientists", "hi andy, division is commutative ok ?"
1310050;1446062722;deedbot-;[Qntra] Billion Dollar Blimp Brings Destruction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-brings-destruction/
1310051;1446062944;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1310052;1446062956;BingoBoingo;Did I win the Titling Title?
1310053;1446062957;punkman;mircea_popescu: Andy's also a journo, so probably not even Andy's photo
1310054;1446062981;punkman;BingoBoingo: if you change the last word
1310055;1446062994;BingoBoingo;To?
1310056;1446063003;punkman;bedlam?
1310057;1446063021;BingoBoingo;Bedlam doesn't imply broken things though.
1310058;1446063039;BingoBoingo;Anyways, You can't do run-on alliteration
1310059;1446063062;BingoBoingo;Breaking the alliteration there emphasizes Destruction
1310060;1446063136;punkman;speaking of titles http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Meerkat-Expert-Allegedly-Attacked-Monkey-Handler-With-Wine-Glass-Over-Llama-Keeper-333092291.html
1310061;1446063179;BingoBoingo;K maybe that beat it
1310062;1446063207;mircea_popescu;dingoboingo : billion dollar blimp destroys beryland
1310063;1446063303;punkman;my entry: billion dollar blimp blown with the wind
1310064;1446063318;thestringpuller;^
1310065;1446063340;mircea_popescu;"A former meerkat expert at London Zoo has been ordered to pay compensation to a monkey handler she attacked with a wine glass in a love spat over a llama-keeper."
1310066;1446063342;mircea_popescu;ok, that's good.
1310067;1446063347;mircea_popescu;A judge at Westminster Magistrates' Court said Wednesday that Caroline Westlake must pay 800 pounds ($1,235) to Kate Sanders for assaulting her in a dispute over colleague Adam Davies, who had dated both women.
1310068;1446063351;mircea_popescu;!up ether_
1310069;1446063363;ether_;mircea
1310070;1446063398;mircea_popescu;aha
1310071;1446063421;ether_;mircea i have a question for you
1310072;1446063427;mircea_popescu;don't ask to ask.
1310073;1446063473;ether_;Just mentioned it because I send it as a PM.
1310074;1446063496;mircea_popescu;don't do that, either.
1310075;1446063532;ether_;O, well. Quesiton is; are you still selling ether?
1310076;1446063558;mircea_popescu;the current avenue for the general public to take positions on that scam would be https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
1310077;1446063559;assbot;BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (35%) on Yes, 135.94 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 days | weight: 49`754 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
1310078;1446063621;BingoBoingo;"n a nut shell postmodern American politics amounts to physically obese liberal poor attacking the mentally obese conservative middle class" << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3176
1310079;1446063622;assbot;JL: ‘What Are Your Politics?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9TkJs )
1310080;1446063625;ether_;i found an article that mentioned i need to contact you via this chat to purchase etherum :s
1310081;1446063668;BingoBoingo;ether_: Wasn't that an old, expired offer?
1310082;1446063677;mircea_popescu;there was an open offer for a long time. none of the sort of starstruck noob that falls for scamcoins with some regularity had enough btc to actually take a position, with one exception. that dude then managed to lose his key.
1310083;1446063697;mircea_popescu;it really put the kaibosh on dealing with nobodies.
1310084;1446063705;mircea_popescu;you wanna trade and shit, get into the wot.
1310085;1446063719;ether_;O well, I just read some news article about how microsoft is going to use ether for a new service, so I wanted to buy a few thousand just in case.
1310086;1446063737;mircea_popescu;see above.
1310087;1446063784;mircea_popescu;2:1 should be enough for anyone.
1310088;1446063809;ether_;anyway, this is where i found the article, maybe contact them to have it removed/updated: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/
1310089;1446063811;assbot;A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGPjz )
1310090;1446063822;punkman;man, I always have to reread that bet to remember what Yes side means
1310091;1446063856;davout;punkman: yes is consent, easy yo
1310092;1446063860;davout;no is raep
1310093;1446063865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18175 @ 0.00054786 = 9.9574 BTC [-] {3} 
1310094;1446063871;mircea_popescu;i thought no was anal.
1310095;1446063924;ether_;i guess i will refrain from buying ether then. anyone here invested in other coin other than btc?
1310096;1446063925;davout;no, "please let me sleep" is anal
1310097;1446063926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23275 @ 0.00054467 = 12.6772 BTC [-]
1310098;1446063959;mircea_popescu;try #altcoin-assets.
1310099;1446063961;davout;also, good evening :D
1310100;1446063971;mircea_popescu;hola frenchie.
1310101;1446063995;davout;re alt chans, looks like jurov left #bitcoin-anal
1310102;1446064116;mircea_popescu;this chan doesn't troll worth a shit ;/
1310103;1446064232;davout;did -assets ever discuss deterministic ECDSA signatures for transactions?
1310104;1446064248;punkman;davout: ye
1310105;1446064262;davout;!ecdsa signatures
1310106;1446064263;mircea_popescu;iirc we hated them
1310107;1446064266;davout;!s ecdsa signatures
1310108;1446064267;assbot;6 results for 'ecdsa signatures' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ecdsa+signatures
1310109;1446064358;mircea_popescu;davout how do i get you to actually try zee eulora ?
1310110;1446064454;davout;i guess the more you wait, the closer the probability of me trying it approaches 1 :D
1310111;1446064470;davout;i do want to try it though
1310112;1446064475;davout;on one hand
1310113;1446064490;jurov;davout you keep tabs on me? does that mean anything?
1310114;1446064518;davout;jurov: i keep tabs on everyone, you're not special!
1310115;1446064554;davout;i kindof remember you being there like what, a year ago, maybe i'm mistaken
1310116;1446064577;davout;re eulora i'm kinda scared of getting addicted to video games
1310117;1446064582;davout;on the other hand
1310118;1446064594;mircea_popescu;this one is practically crack. the people who play it play it like 20 hours/day
1310119;1446064602;mircea_popescu;the people who don't play it... don't play it yet.
1310120;1446064763;ascii_field;speaking of ecdsa,
1310121;1446064766;ascii_field;http://resetprinters.net/how-to-downgrade-firmware-version-of-samsung-printer.html << this exists.
1310122;1446064768;assbot;How to downgrade firmware version of Samsung printer | Reset Printers/Copiers ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiclPQ )
1310123;1446064787;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1310124;1446064918;punkman;ascii_field: but why?
1310125;1446064946;ascii_field;http://www.alex-banzai.net/index.php?action=forum&theme=768 << ru guide to same.
1310126;1446064947;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WicAu6 )
1310127;1446064972;ascii_field;punkman: 'rights management' aka 'you think you bought this printer but you actually bought the right to print 2000 pages and throw it out'
1310128;1446065007;davout;this is kinda old isn't it?
1310129;1446065052;ascii_field;davout: this kind of braindamage has been around for some years, yes. but until now i did not know that it has reached the point where you have to patch ~the printer itself~ rather than merely the eeprom in the cartridge.
1310130;1446065066;davout;iirc there was some guy that demonstrated that indeed, printers would seppuku after X printed pages by doing exactly that, showing that by re-programming it, the 'broken' printer came back to life
1310131;1446065080;ascii_field;as in IT WON'T PRINT unless the two agree and crypto-handshake etc.
1310132;1446065105;punkman;"Your Printer has stopped? Waste Ink Pads counter overflow? Want to go to Canon Customer Service? Want give them $50? DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME and MONEY – RESET YOUR PRINTERS YOURSELF"
1310133;1446065109;davout;aha, so far i thought it was limited to a simple counter in the printer itself
1310134;1446065139;ascii_field;davout: apparently not any longer.
1310135;1446065144;davout;in the same vein "oh you plugged this no-brand iphone cable in? not certified by apple? fuck you bitch, i'm not charging"
1310136;1446065150;vulpes_a_hopital;lovely logs, all.
1310137;1446065161;ascii_field;davout: now there's proprietary crud in the cartridge ~and~ the printer that rsa to one another.
1310138;1446065179;vulpes_a_hopital;42 2/7
1310139;1446065184;*;vulpes_a_hopital off again
1310140;1446065201;ascii_field;what's that
1310141;1446065216;davout;trusted printing, sounds like a cool application for blawkchain technologee
1310142;1446065278;ascii_field;can't wait for trusted shitting
1310143;1446065287;ascii_field;1,001 shits and toilet cements itself shut.
1310144;1446065295;ascii_field;and will report you, terrorist, if you tamper.
1310145;1446065321;BingoBoingo;http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/serena-williams-is-dating-alexis-ohanian-the-co-founder-of-reddit-20152810 << Reddit lolz
1310146;1446065322;assbot;Serena Williams Is Dating Alexis Ohanian, the Co-Founder of Reddit - Us Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1ij6h6R )
1310147;1446065335;davout;"would you download a car??"
1310148;1446065351;ascii_field;'i would if i could, motherfuckers'
1310149;1446065437;davout;i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough
1310150;1446065468;ascii_field;l0l
1310151;1446065471;ascii_field;print me a light bulb.
1310152;1446065509;BingoBoingo;https://imgur.com/a/WDwyW
1310153;1446065509;assbot;Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wiebjr )
1310154;1446065540;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: tldr
1310155;1446065566;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: It's for the cockroach-ologists
1310156;1446065634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00054988 = 10.3652 BTC [+]
1310157;1446065680;mircea_popescu;o hey, is it the vulception vulpes_a_hopital ?
1310158;1446065724;BingoBoingo;Imma guess
1310159;1446065727;BingoBoingo;so
1310160;1446065750;BingoBoingo;that or a twee portland bicycle on bicycle accident
1310161;1446065755;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1310162;1446065814;mircea_popescu;<davout> i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough << when i was a kid there was a 1hour midnight show that actually played z80 tapes
1310163;1446065827;*;ascii_field recalls this from the logz
1310164;1446065849;mircea_popescu;a yea, must have mentioned
1310165;1446065891;*;jurov stopped at "so we vibing over our hoeism or whatevs"
1310166;1446065930;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1310167;1446065961;jurov;BingoBoingo's story
1310168;1446065998;mircea_popescu;i think i'm missing out. da fuck's that even mean.
1310169;1446066031;jurov;we'll all know when it ends up on trilema, with annotations
1310170;1446066069;BingoBoingo;It's my last imgur link, bunch of screencaps of tweets now removed
1310171;1446066080;mircea_popescu;i'd rather play cunty lush.
1310172;1446066395;BingoBoingo;From the story: "So when they finished he gave her $100. I said "jess, you selling your puss for $100??? Pussy is worth thousands. U Trippin"
1310173;1446066424;BingoBoingo;Then she makes Jess a Backpage ad with a $500 minimum and shit goes to all hell
1310174;1446066432;punkman;mega-cockroach-story
1310175;1446066503;davout;stories, on fucking twitter
1310176;1446066610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00054432 = 15.4315 BTC [-] {2} 
1310177;1446066898;mircea_popescu;fucking "power saving mode"
1310178;1446066902;mircea_popescu;who the fuck invented this stupid shit.
1310179;1446066918;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1310180;1446066921;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: ?
1310181;1446066942;mircea_popescu;no, seriously. why the fuck is a monitor turning off by itself.
1310182;1446066947;mircea_popescu;who came up with this idiocy.
1310183;1446066955;ascii_field;sop on shitmonitors
1310184;1446066974;ascii_field;configurable on adultmonitors.
1310185;1446067061;kakobrekla;lol
1310186;1446067098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52802 @ 0.00054852 = 28.963 BTC [+] {2} 
1310187;1446067099;ascii_field;hey even i can afford a eizo
1310188;1446067106;ascii_field;why does mircea_popescu have a shitmonitor ?
1310189;1446067130;mircea_popescu;no. bvut guess what
1310190;1446067138;mircea_popescu;if you turn off "super saving" greenleaf bullshit
1310191;1446067144;mircea_popescu;it resets all other settings to default
1310192;1446067146;mircea_popescu;fucking hell.
1310193;1446067153;mircea_popescu;and they did this DELIBERATELY.
1310194;1446067164;ascii_field;take it to the shooting range and shoot it
1310195;1446067166;mircea_popescu;exactly like i'm going to rape their daughters with a muskrat.
1310196;1446067168;ascii_field;then buy eizo colouredge.
1310197;1446067191;mircea_popescu;ascii_field maker of "eizo whatever" is as much in my wot has lg.
1310198;1446067195;davout;!s deterministic ecdsa
1310199;1446067196;assbot;2 results for 'deterministic ecdsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deterministic+ecdsa
1310200;1446067201;mircea_popescu;0 reason to prefer any turd over any other turd.
1310201;1446067229;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: it isn't a turd !
1310202;1446067240;jurov;mircea_popescu: you don't even accept recommendation from ppl who are in your wot?
1310203;1446067245;ascii_field;^
1310204;1446067250;ascii_field;i use EXCLUSIVELY these now.
1310205;1446067254;ascii_field;whenever possible.
1310206;1446067290;mircea_popescu;jurov if i was looking to buy one. but as it is, fuck it, what can he do if it turns out to be a dud, make the eizo ceo do my dishes ?
1310207;1446067355;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i have 4, of 3 different types. can comment on the characteristics of the particular samples.
1310208;1446067367;ascii_field;naturally anything can 'turn out to be a dud'
1310209;1446067421;ascii_field;actually make that 5, of 4 types
1310210;1446067423;mircea_popescu;but there's nothing more in that recomendation than "this cheez tastes good", is there ? not like it's 4:3 or some shit.
1310211;1446067430;ascii_field;(i have a b&w one that is not in service currently)
1310212;1446067449;mircea_popescu;just another shitty monitor from the shitty people that make the shitty monitors.
1310213;1446067453;ascii_field;actually they have measurable characteristics which th manufacturer guarantees
1310214;1446067464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45016 @ 0.00054386 = 24.4824 BTC [-] {2} 
1310215;1446067469;ascii_field;which, in particular, is mircea_popescu interested in ?
1310216;1446067473;ascii_field;yes i have a 4:3.
1310217;1446067474;jurov;but mircea_popescu wants his monitor to do dishes
1310218;1446067478;mircea_popescu;i guess. i'm just not of the mind that there can be such a thing as a good lcd anyway.
1310219;1446067480;ascii_field;and a 16:10 and a 16:9.
1310220;1446067482;punkman;eizo has a square monitor btw
1310221;1446067489;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: there are precisely two makers of 'good lcd'
1310222;1446067491;ascii_field;eizo and barco.
1310223;1446067511;mircea_popescu;alright. well... i got a new lg, which hopefully now no longer power saves.
1310224;1446067519;ascii_field;but if you'd rather suffer with consumer shit - who am i to argue.
1310225;1446067523;mircea_popescu;da fuck power would it save anyway THE FUCKING TRANSFORMER IS STILL PLUGGED IN
1310226;1446067526;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1310227;1446067551;punkman;(here it is http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/ )
1310228;1446067555;assbot;FlexScan EV2730Q | EIZO ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8hEN9 )
1310229;1446067627;ascii_field;all of my panels have 10-bit (yes) DACs, no detectable dithering.
1310230;1446067659;punkman;8bit is fine too, if it's actually 8
1310231;1446067661;ascii_field;(for what the two extra bits? for plugging in the colorimeter and fine-verniering, naturally)
1310232;1446067711;mircea_popescu;i would rather make my own fucking monitor.
1310233;1446067718;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, i gotta go around with a colorimeter now.
1310234;1446067728;ascii_field;you do it once when unpacking
1310235;1446067742;mircea_popescu;i don't even want to do the unpacking.
1310236;1446067743;ascii_field;or if, i suppose, significant temperature move
1310237;1446067790;ascii_field;anyway this part is optional and only for fanatics (artists, folks who actually ~need~ to reproduce a colour)
1310238;1446067796;ascii_field;i don't even have it.
1310239;1446067800;mircea_popescu;im just pissy.
1310240;1446067805;mircea_popescu;fucking "power save".
1310241;1446067815;mircea_popescu;i hope they get buzzword cancer. and it'll be unoperable by definition.
1310242;1446067819;ascii_field;welcome to how i feel every time i touch just short of anything !
1310243;1446067829;punkman;I'd like a colorimeter so I can skip the uncomfortable period when changing monitors
1310244;1446067855;punkman;otherwise, I don't care about teh colors enough
1310245;1446067856;ascii_field;punkman: why ever change monitors ??
1310246;1446067879;ascii_field;recent ones don't even have tubes. nothing fades.
1310247;1446067891;ascii_field;(replacing ccfl tubes is a royal bitch)
1310248;1446067901;punkman;upgrades, replacements, moving countries
1310249;1446067958;ascii_field;from this thread i find it interesting that mircea_popescu so strongly disbelieves in the existence of proper lcd
1310250;1446067978;ascii_field;perhaps some schmuck once showed him a crapple $2k panel and he took a crowbar to it in disgust
1310251;1446067981;ascii_field;(justifiably)
1310252;1446068012;kakobrekla;once you go ips you can never go back. unless blind.
1310253;1446068020;ascii_field;it isn't just a matter of ips.
1310254;1446068036;kakobrekla;no, but i can live with various ipses, not with any tn.
1310255;1446068077;ascii_field;pre-2006 or so tn is quite usable.
1310256;1446068125;kakobrekla;what, a 17" ?
1310257;1446068134;ascii_field;aha.
1310258;1446068140;kakobrekla;useless
1310259;1446068147;ascii_field;not useless, i used to have #b-a on one.
1310260;1446068149;ascii_field;just such
1310261;1446068173;ascii_field;how many pixels does kakobrekla need to display #b-a ?!
1310262;1446068219;kakobrekla;ba gets about half of the 27s 2560x1440
1310263;1446068246;kakobrekla;i can only plug in 6 x27 monitors before i need a second gpu
1310264;1446068253;kakobrekla;hence 17 is useless
1310265;1446068304;*;ascii_field not up to 6 yet.
1310266;1446068423;punkman;which gpu does 6?
1310267;1446068590;punkman;cryptome's title entry: "DoD escaped detainee blimp with limp rudder down near Bloomsburg, PA"
1310268;1446068595;kakobrekla;7970/x280
1310269;1446068633;kakobrekla;sorry, its '280x'
1310270;1446068662;kakobrekla;http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/2248925-b.jpg
1310271;1446068663;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jxJL )
1310272;1446068669;kakobrekla;you need a dp splitter also.
1310273;1446068685;ascii_field;uk lulz >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3293154/Britain-s-spies-throw-open-doors-GCHQ-reveal-intimate-secrets-Cage-codebreakers-flip-flops-Starbucks-baristas-pass-security-checks.html
1310274;1446068685;assbot;Britain's spies throw open doors of GCHQ to reveal intimate secrets | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jz4n )
1310275;1446068720;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b31
1310276;1446069055;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1310277;1446069371;ascii_field;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/politics/obama-legal-authorization-osama-bin-laden-raid.html << moar lulz
1310278;1446069374;assbot;Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC7xxO )
1310279;1446069388;ascii_field;^ usg brags of its murders
1310280;1446069476;ascii_field;'Stretching sparse precedents, the lawyers worked in intense secrecy. Fearing leaks, the White House would not let them consult aides or even the administration’s top lawyer, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. They did their own research, wrote memos on highly secure laptops and traded drafts hand-delivered by trusted couriers.'
1310281;1446069478;phf; /quit ...
1310282;1446069494;phf;err, fail
1310283;1446069550;BingoBoingo;Armory has transitioned to Abandonware after the "phone home" debacle https://archive.is/vDjxw
1310284;1446069551;assbot;Will the free open source Armory wallet continue to be developed going forward? ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lcPA )
1310285;1446069672;punkman;"They discussed possible situations in which it might still be lawful to  shoot Bin Laden even if he appeared to be surrendering — for instance,  if militants next to him were firing weapons, or if he could be  concealing a suicide vest under his clothing"
1310286;1446069735;mircea_popescu;maybe if they gave bin laden a forgetfulness potion they could muster the balls to approach him
1310287;1446069777;punkman;"on a key point they concur: In Bin Laden’s final moments, he neither resisted nor surrendered."
1310288;1446069784;ascii_field;this re: the ancient and ongoing thread about whether usg is somehow limited by laws.
1310289;1446069895;deedbot-;[BitBet Bets Bets] 3.64000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b55
1310290;1446069928;punkman;https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572 watching Bin Laden's death
1310291;1446069931;assbot;P050111PS-0210 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lO7R )
1310292;1446070521;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/bad_at_math.html << it must be pretty infuriating to live in the halfworld that is the us.
1310293;1446070522;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Bad At Math ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mJ8d )
1310294;1446070538;mircea_popescu;on one hand, juan has real bullets in the gun. on the other hand, the state is a theatrical performance.
1310295;1446070548;mircea_popescu;no wonder everyone goes nuts.
1310296;1446070758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49934 @ 0.00054345 = 27.1366 BTC [-]
1310297;1446070879;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f8c207ba384c6c999e16d9a22f3f8e73/tumblr_n5y566K3sj1sqcs9ko1_1280.jpg
1310298;1446070880;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC9Lxp )
1310299;1446072222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00054435 = 18.7801 BTC [+]
1310300;1446072588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00054971 = 36.3358 BTC [+] {3} 
1310301;1446073320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054988 = 16.1665 BTC [+]
1310302;1446073869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27644 @ 0.00054987 = 15.2006 BTC [-] {2} 
1310303;1446074601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60599 @ 0.00055087 = 33.3822 BTC [+]
1310304;1446077773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19364 @ 0.00055087 = 10.667 BTC [+]
1310305;1446078017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00055221 = 3.6998 BTC [+]
1310306;1446078566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54590 @ 0.00055258 = 30.1653 BTC [+] {2} 
1310307;1446079925;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1310292 << out of curiosity, what would mircea_popescu recommend for tlp to ~do~ if he were to say 'yes, i agree, usaschwitz sux' ? insert the broomstick?
1310308;1446079925;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 22:15:21; mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/bad_at_math.html << it must be pretty infuriating to live in the halfworld that is the us.
1310309;1446080757;deedbot-;[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to tell if you’re middle class. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/28/how-to-tell-if-youre-middle-class/
1310310;1446082189;danielpbarron;;;later tell pete_dushenski ^ nice stuff. freaky how much I can relate to the sentiment as of late.
1310311;1446082189;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310312;1446082936;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski i must confess that the 'middle class' article made very little sense to me...
1310313;1446082937;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310314;1446083182;asciilifeform;(i mean, how the hell does the quoted thread re: intel relate to any of this...?)
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1310319;1446089730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp ACTUALLY understands
1310320;1446089730;mircea_popescu;the suck he will both be free and able to act.
1310321;1446089761;mircea_popescu;before that happens there necessarily isn't what either "can" do.
1310322;1446089898;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309798 is a much deeper problem than realised. yes, it's true that the adolescents see themselves as peers to the adults. NOT IT IS NOT TRUE THEY ARE. yes it is this false, unfounded identification that drives both DK and the insane notions of the adolescents as to the failures of both "the world" and adults (these two aren't even really different).
1310323;1446089898;assbot;Logged on 28-10-2015 07:29:28; mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren�t forcibly prevented from entering."
1310324;1446090071;mircea_popescu;and now let's enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAHA4Jh5jkw together!
1310325;1446090072;assbot;Urge Overkill - Girl You'll Be a Woman Soon - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XAm2Gq )
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1310337;1446091972;mircea_popescu;i hope that was a n>10k study.
1310338;1446091986;BingoBoingo;Better be
1310339;1446092007;BingoBoingo;Nope, 699
1310340;1446092019;BingoBoingo;"Researchers also recorded how often the 699 study participants - Czech men between the ages of 35 and 65 years old - had sexual intercourse."
1310341;1446092063;BingoBoingo;"The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."
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1310344;1446096472;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron cheers !
1310345;1446096533;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310314 << it's all in the f-bombs
1310346;1446096533;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 01:46:22; asciilifeform: (i mean, how the hell does the quoted thread re: intel relate to any of this...?)
1310347;1446096741;pete_dushenski;"the personality trait most strongly correlated with programming ability was not introversion or conscientiousness, but openness: a trait that's related to being creative and imaginative"
1310348;1446096804;pete_dushenski;"A meta-analysis on 19 independent samples (total N = 1695) highlighted that programming aptitude was associated with three personality traits, conscientiousness, openness, and introversion."
1310349;1446096820;pete_dushenski;"In contrast to stereotypical beliefs, programming aptitudes were not associated with socially undesirable traits such as disagreeableness or neuroticism."
1310350;1446096957;pete_dushenski;http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092656615300052
1310351;1446096958;assbot;What makes a computer wiz? Linking personality traits and programming aptitude ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na30DL )
1310352;1446097185;pete_dushenski;basically fits the 'obedient, diligent coolies' alf describes in http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/
1310353;1446097187;assbot;Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVn3kX )
1310354;1446097510;mircea_popescu;this admitting there EVEN ARE 1695 programmers out there.
1310355;1446097611;mircea_popescu;seems dubious. moreover what happened is, "back in 1965, people could actually code - and those people who could actually code were disagreeable neurotics. 50 years later we turned coding into a sort of welfard subdepartment of the ushs, and now those 'coders' are exactly like the rest of the welfare population : open and conscientious. which is why the line before the tsa anal fingering office consists of middleaged w
1310356;1446097611;mircea_popescu;omen with their panties folded neatly in their hands."
1310357;1446097640;mircea_popescu;science!
1310358;1446097659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00054823 = 14.6377 BTC [-]
1310359;1446097724;pete_dushenski;lol it could easily be 1695 fresh compsci grads
1310360;1446097741;pete_dushenski;'they don't have any experience but gosh darn are they qualified on paper!'
1310361;1446097779;pete_dushenski;heh. jack baruth riffs off my 'middle class' article : "We inmates of the middle class envy the rich for obvious reasons but we also envy the poor, because they have freedom."
1310362;1446097800;pete_dushenski;though since he's firmly in the middle class, he ends up looking down to the LOWER class in envy
1310363;1446097819;pete_dushenski;via this gongshow of a story, essentially: https://storify.com/public/templates/card/index.html?src=//storify.com/yomike/a-wild-weekend-in-florida
1310364;1446097820;assbot;Storify [Slideshow] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na4gXn )
1310365;1446097855;pete_dushenski;upper class too inaccessible, so what's left ? down. down's what's left.
1310366;1446097872;pete_dushenski;"To be in the middle class is to perennially be under threat. But to be the main character of a Dylan or Grateful Dead song is to be poorer, and lower, and free."
1310367;1446097986;pete_dushenski;jack's something of a musician so he's never short of usian 60s-present musical references, most of which are lost on me, but he's still a pretty astute cultural anthropologist
1310368;1446098041;mircea_popescu;lol looking down in envy. that's a good one.
1310369;1446098093;mircea_popescu;don't look back in anger (look forward ; and kill someone) and don't look down in envy (look upward ; and kill someone).
1310370;1446098167;phf;i believe tlp has an article on meta-analysis studies
1310371;1446098268;phf;" Programming abilities were quantified using an objective performance test (e.g.,number of errors in the program code); subjective evaluations of individual’s coding proficiency were not included."
1310372;1446098322;pete_dushenski;lol
1310373;1446098339;pete_dushenski;"But how can the author will a meta-analysis to show what he wants it to show?  Maybe he could manipulate an individual study, wouldn't a "study of studies" be immune to his dark sorcery? Imagine a study of Prozac vs. placebo in 10000 patients, and Prozac is awesome.  Imagine two more studies, each with 6 patients, and Prozac doesn't beat placebo in those. I now have three studies.  My meta-analysis concludes:
1310374;1446098339;pete_dushenski; "Prozac was found to be superior to placebo in only a third of studies."  Boom-- Associate Professor. When meta-analyses look at only a few studies (e.g. N=4), if even one of them is a poorly designed study you can overwhelm-- or purposely extinguish-- what might actually be a real effect." << this one phf ?
1310375;1446098356;phf;aye
1310376;1446098366;pete_dushenski;from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html
1310377;1446098368;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Decline Effect Is Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FngU )
1310378;1446098382;mircea_popescu;that's a great article too.
1310379;1446098420;mircea_popescu;phf imagine the sort of unredeemable imbecile who imagines "errors in program code" is objective measure of anything.
1310380;1446098441;mircea_popescu;like, you know, programming has this closed form solution, it's like solving ax+b.
1310381;1446098450;phf;includes such wonderful papers as Personality predictors of performance in an introductory computer course. (1982), MBTI personality type and student code comprehension skill., Predicting student success in an introductory programming course., The effects of openness to experience on pair programming in a higher education context.,  Identifying predictors of programming skill.
1310382;1446098452;mircea_popescu;this is what they think programming is.
1310383;1446098515;phf;i like this one, Personality and learning FORTRAN. (1985), i almost want to trick that one down
1310384;1446098523;phf;*track rather
1310385;1446098557;*;vulpes_a_hopital barfs preemptively
1310386;1446098562;mircea_popescu;late too.
1310387;1446098567;mircea_popescu;fortran in 1985 ?
1310388;1446098592;vulpes_a_hopital;pete_dushenski: share a copy?
1310389;1446098593;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital you CAN handle watching a birth dude
1310390;1446098611;pete_dushenski;copy of...
1310391;1446098621;vulpes_a_hopital;that science direct piece
1310392;1446098635;vulpes_a_hopital;the thing i'm already retching over
1310393;1446098651;mircea_popescu;how's life vulpes_a_hopital ?
1310394;1446098657;*;pete_dushenski did not spend $usd 35.95 for this...
1310395;1446098660;vulpes_a_hopital;slow.
1310396;1446098668;mircea_popescu;i bet the woman agrees.
1310397;1446098688;vulpes_a_hopital;oh, we're just discussing the abstract, then?
1310398;1446098698;pete_dushenski;mhm
1310399;1446098701;phf;mircea_popescu: just more academia inbreeding in this "metastudy". only time i saw fortran code is when helping computation chemistry grgrad students code up their models
1310400;1446098716;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital how long's the labour been thus far ?
1310401;1446098717;phf;vulpes_a_hopital: http://timo.gnambs.at/sites/default/files/gnambs2015-programming.pdf
1310402;1446098718;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Na5y4H )
1310403;1446098729;mircea_popescu;phf one of the numerous women i proposed marriage to was actually a chainsmoker fortran programmer.
1310404;1446098757;mircea_popescu;in the 70s this was an entire subculture i think.
1310405;1446098770;vulpes_a_hopital;mk. well as someone who actually reviews, teaches and issues canings over code, and knows the personalities involved intimately, i'm going to not give a shit.
1310406;1446098780;vulpes_a_hopital;mircea_popescu: what labor.
1310407;1446098793;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1310408;1446098817;vulpes_a_hopital;how do you define 'labor'?
1310409;1446098834;vulpes_a_hopital;arbitrary combo of frequency and duration?
1310410;1446098847;mircea_popescu;in what context ? or did i use it somewhere ?
1310411;1446098853;vulpes_a_hopital;a sorry
1310412;1446098861;vulpes_a_hopital;pete_dushenski: what labor.
1310413;1446098870;pete_dushenski;i think it's 5 mins apart
1310414;1446098870;mircea_popescu;well you just made pete's day :D
1310415;1446098931;vulpes_a_hopital;howzzat?
1310416;1446099008;vulpes_a_hopital;ah yes, i recall why mircea_popescu was queued up
1310417;1446099014;vulpes_a_hopital;mircea_popescu: you've proposed marriage?
1310418;1446099022;pete_dushenski;and multiple times ?!
1310419;1446099023;*;vulpes_a_hopital falls over
1310420;1446099037;vulpes_a_hopital;i must not understand how this marriage was to have worked.
1310421;1446099037;pete_dushenski;i think our collective leg's being pulled
1310422;1446099053;vulpes_a_hopital;or its some novel broomaaple of a marriage.
1310423;1446099124;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital ages 5 to 7 or so, yeah. half my mother's friends!
1310424;1446099141;mircea_popescu;not my damn fault bitchez were crazy hawt.
1310425;1446099163;vulpes_a_hopital;happy to tee it up for you, boss
1310426;1446099204;mircea_popescu;for any 5yos reading b-a : do this. the women love it, and then later they'll be like, in your exams and shit. plus mothering the chicks you actually DONT want to marry.
1310427;1446099217;phf;shoulder pads, a "perm" and yellow cigarette nails? "do you like our owl?"
1310428;1446099248;mircea_popescu;phf nah, no perm.
1310429;1446099263;mircea_popescu;but i think you'd get kicked out of the 70s if no shoulder pads.
1310430;1446099284;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AXOjlPF0Y
1310431;1446099285;assbot;Deckard meets Rachel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVrf3Y )
1310432;1446099437;vulpes_a_hopital;mircea_popescu: does your absurdly broad knowledge bank have anything interesting on the topic of long pregnancies?
1310433;1446099467;mircea_popescu;nah, rachel looks soft and dumb.
1310434;1446099489;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital you know the medieval cases of undelivered babies calcified in the woman and found at autopsy ?
1310435;1446099512;*;vulpes_a_hopital does not
1310436;1446099516;vulpes_a_hopital;how long would those've been?
1310437;1446099522;mircea_popescu;lifetime ?
1310438;1446099540;mircea_popescu;she just never delivered, died 70 or w/e. who knows when she might have conceived. 20s ? 40s ?
1310439;1446099561;*;vulpes_a_hopital frowns
1310440;1446099570;pete_dushenski;and don't forget pantagruel : 14 months was it ?
1310441;1446099580;pete_dushenski;(not mine, rabelais')
1310442;1446099587;mircea_popescu;that account might be made up :D
1310443;1446099595;pete_dushenski;waiwut
1310444;1446099596;vulpes_a_hopital;udunsae
1310445;1446099610;pete_dushenski;yousundae
1310446;1446099614;mircea_popescu;i always had this suspicion that rabelais was not always sticking to the true objectivity of science.
1310447;1446099632;pete_dushenski;;)
1310448;1446099636;mircea_popescu;although a meta-study conducted in 1999 showed him to be no worse than average
1310449;1446099669;vulpes_a_hopital;n=4 tho
1310450;1446099681;mircea_popescu;more like 4 million.
1310451;1446099693;vulpes_a_hopital;not over nine thousand
1310452;1446099715;*;pete_dushenski vaguely recalls this telephone call on landline : "excuse me, is the master of the house in" "speaking" "oh, alright then, did you find rabelais to be objectively scientific" "oh most certainly" "aha. cheers and good evening." *click*
1310453;1446099717;phf;i liked her as chani in dune
1310454;1446099729;mircea_popescu;phf but that role specifically is soft and dumb.
1310455;1446099769;vulpes_a_hopital;how the fuck does chani have a wikipedia article.
1310456;1446099787;mircea_popescu;it's pop culture yellowpages.
1310457;1446099792;mircea_popescu;what, you thought it was an encyclopedia ?
1310458;1446099805;pete_dushenski;and in other news, "Walmart discontinued the sale of its "Israeli soldier kids costume" and "Sheik Fagin nose" Halloween costumes after facing widespread backlash, including boycott calls on the chain store's Facebook page."
1310459;1446099806;*;vulpes_a_hopital can't recall thinking
1310460;1446099820;vulpes_a_hopital;sheik fagin lol
1310461;1446099836;vulpes_a_hopital;walmart as pop culture blender
1310462;1446099841;*;vulpes_a_hopital off
1310463;1446099847;mircea_popescu;ahhh life is good
1310464;1446099880;pete_dushenski;gl ben !
1310465;1446099912;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHL-0N07rxo << mega-weird china propaganda
1310466;1446099913;assbot;Pay Attention to the 十三五 (shi san wu) - Xinhua News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVsgJx )
1310467;1446099935;mircea_popescu;"Real Men Don't Buy Girls" pretends to be a PSA against child sex slavery.  What it really is an effort in rebranding. In this clip, you see Ashton Kutcher.  If you had to find 300M Americans to be on a list of "Real Men," and every person in America except for Ashton Kutcher had been eaten by a giant squid, Ashton Kutcher would still not make that list, ever.
1310468;1446099938;mircea_popescu;i agree.\
1310469;1446100062;mircea_popescu;and I don't know any guy in the world who has an extra pack of socks available "just in case." << now you do. chicks (that don't even wear underwear!) carry spare socks and similar stuff around for my convenience. so there!
1310470;1446100221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32046 @ 0.00054762 = 17.549 BTC [-] {3} 
1310471;1446100286;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgsoETPe-I << another interesting pro-chinese piece, by south and north carolinians no less !
1310472;1446100287;assbot;When China met Carolina - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVsUqk )
1310473;1446100439;phf;one of the quoted studies only looks at consciousness (for pair programming in class setting), and finds correlation. shouldn't that be removed from the metastudy stats on account of scewing one variable.
1310474;1446100444;phf;but they say
1310475;1446100450;phf;"There are some uncontrolled variables which may have affected the validity of the experimental results. One of these was students’ previous programming experience. We noticed that some of the students who already had a few years of programming experience achieved high scores in their test, but scored somewhat low on conscientiousness. They were strong programmers with appropriate knowledge and know-how of programming as compared with
1310476;1446100451;phf;other students. Being highly conscientious may not be necessarily for these students in order to obtain good academic results in this particular course."
1310477;1446100465;phf;you don't say!
1310478;1446100528;mircea_popescu;this, as ben aptly pointed out the obvious to anyone who ever competently managed, or even sanely lived in proximity of programmers, is an outrageously clueless exercise in reductionism to the point of meaninglessness.
1310479;1446100549;BingoBoingo;Oh, so it wasn't a twee portland meeting of two bicycles
1310480;1446100559;mircea_popescu;"conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.
1310481;1446100642;vulpes_a_hopital;joke's on me. again.
1310482;1446100648;mircea_popescu;is the assassin eating cake for breakfast at 11 am with a well oiled, well cleaned rifle in his lap - that he cleans and oils properly, every time, and has, irrespective of howp his profession makes it a dispoasable item - conscientious or not conscientious ?
1310483;1446100666;mod6;vulpes_a_hopital: i've been told first babys take time. hang in there :]
1310484;1446100708;phf;i naively went there to see how exactly they measured "programming aptitude" expecting some bogus methodology involving bug counts, the reality is just so incredibly bad, i'm now tracking original papers purely out of morbid fascination
1310485;1446100724;mircea_popescu;"if he were ~~~truely~~~ conscientious he'd take better care of himself. plus he wouldn't go around killing people." yeah im sure.
1310486;1446100750;vulpes_a_hopital;phf has found his turdpile, will now entomologize
1310487;1446100754;vulpes_a_hopital;ty mod6
1310488;1446100757;mircea_popescu;phf maybe it's time to start a blog.
1310489;1446100773;BingoBoingo;;;later tell thestringpuller http://qntra.net/2015/10/interview-with-david-francois-on-building-a-real-bitcoin-business/#comment-71537
1310490;1446100774;assbot;Interview with David Francois on Building a Real Bitcoin Business | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZOgc1 )
1310491;1446100774;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310492;1446100792;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital seriously, labour under 12 hours is not even uncommon. can start worrying next month.
1310493;1446100802;mircea_popescu;o hey i gotta read this.
1310494;1446100808;vulpes_a_hopital;labor under 12 hours?
1310495;1446100836;mircea_popescu;what i mean is. for as long as it stays under half a day it's not even a moderately big deal.
1310496;1446100844;vulpes_a_hopital;thestringpuller: howdja get to france if you couldn't make it to con3?
1310497;1446100849;vulpes_a_hopital;mircea_popescu: again, what labor.
1310498;1446100867;mircea_popescu;aren't you a l'hopital to pick up the young vulpes ?
1310499;1446100875;vulpes_a_hopital;myeah, if he ever decides to descend.
1310500;1446100885;mircea_popescu;so that labor!
1310501;1446100892;pete_dushenski;lol
1310502;1446100902;mircea_popescu;is he trolling us ?
1310503;1446100907;vulpes_a_hopital;also i ain't even worried yet
1310504;1446100911;vulpes_a_hopital;as labor has yet to begin!
1310505;1446100917;vulpes_a_hopital;just...bored.
1310506;1446100923;mircea_popescu;well why;'d you go early ?
1310507;1446100934;vulpes_a_hopital;42 weeks is early nao?
1310508;1446100941;pete_dushenski;water broke early perhaps ?
1310509;1446100954;mircea_popescu;who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know!
1310510;1446100978;mircea_popescu;(quote from actual father, many years ago "dude you will not FUCKING BELIEVE how much water is in there!")
1310511;1446100980;vulpes_a_hopital;so riddle me this: where are the statistics for > 43 week long pregnancies
1310512;1446100980;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know! << Person who has to clean the room?
1310513;1446100998;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital for first birth, like 20% at least
1310514;1446101020;vulpes_a_hopital;but /where are the statistics/
1310515;1446101028;vulpes_a_hopital;that's a great sounding number
1310516;1446101028;BingoBoingo;vulpes_a_hopital: Baby's prolly going to give pete's a run for the money on size, or already has mommy issues
1310517;1446101030;*;pete_dushenski has seen flooded sidewalks and soaked flip-flops
1310518;1446101059;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital i'll get you the name of the book in the morning
1310519;1446101073;pete_dushenski;and the figures
1310520;1446101095;mircea_popescu;anyway. let it be said real women deliver around the time strip clubs close. 6am, that sorta thing
1310521;1446101112;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo no. chance. ben and lady v are markedly smaller parents.
1310522;1446101115;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital those don't exist. if she goes over 42.5 or so the doctors usually go in.
1310523;1446101136;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But if they bake it longer
1310524;1446101144;vulpes_a_hopital;right, and tell pete_dushenski why that is?
1310525;1446101165;mircea_popescu;maybe he gets triplets :D
1310526;1446101173;pete_dushenski;2 lbs each !
1310527;1446101182;BingoBoingo;dodecuplets!!!
1310528;1446101190;BingoBoingo;12 pounds each
1310529;1446101197;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital why what is ?
1310530;1446101205;mircea_popescu;it's not his van giving birth BingoBoingo it's his wife.
1310531;1446101245;BingoBoingo;I thought that was in November, pretty sure this was his van
1310532;1446101247;vulpes_a_hopital;decline in placental health.
1310533;1446101257;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo (archived).  << butg no link
1310534;1446101297;vulpes_a_hopital;an apparently healthy baby at 43 weeks may endure labor entirely differently than the 42 weeker, much less the 40 weeker.
1310535;1446101308;vulpes_a_hopital;and there is /no way to predict/.
1310536;1446101339;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Fixed, my bad
1310537;1446101350;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital i'm missing something, not the least of which was that i read 42 and thought "oh, that's term!" lol
1310538;1446101358;vulpes_a_hopital;moreover, *because* the doctors start insisting on going in at 42.5ish, there are very poor statistics on uninduced labor past 42 weeks or so.
1310539;1446101365;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital do yourself a favour and read something else.
1310540;1446101372;mircea_popescu;you'll drive yourself nuts.
1310541;1446101377;vulpes_a_hopital;what i'm reading qntra
1310542;1446101381;mircea_popescu;aok
1310543;1446101385;vulpes_a_hopital;i scoped the stats, made my call.
1310544;1446101387;vulpes_a_hopital;now i'm bored.
1310545;1446101398;mircea_popescu;anyway. there is respectable research into this, they actually make sense, going in after 42 is the right move.
1310546;1446101424;*;vulpes_a_hopital would love to see it, has been unimpressed so far
1310547;1446101437;BingoBoingo;Anyways that procedure has at least two millenia of safety behind it. Some women do it to themselves
1310548;1446101440;pete_dushenski;anyone taken #bitcoin-birthing yet ?
1310549;1446101469;pete_dushenski;not that i mind the subject matter..
1310550;1446101472;vulpes_a_hopital; feature bloat, fueled by what consumers have come to expect, << top kek
1310551;1446101569;vulpes_a_hopital;lol pete_dushenski you're blocked as "adult and pornography"
1310552;1446101570;mircea_popescu;i actually like davout's answering style.
1310553;1446101587;vulpes_a_hopital;that use of consensual threw me for a loop
1310554;1446101590;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital your hospital, canadian banks, what's next !
1310555;1446101599;vulpes_a_hopital;trilema, however, totally ok.
1310556;1446101621;mircea_popescu;i can see the logic of htis.
1310557;1446101625;pete_dushenski;weird, same as my buddy at his td office in calgary....
1310558;1446101625;vulpes_a_hopital;"that the fucked up" << attn bingoboingo
1310559;1446101636;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu you do ?
1310560;1446101650;mircea_popescu;yes. while it's true that trilema hosts one of the largest porn galleries in the western world,
1310561;1446101652;BingoBoingo;vulpes_a_hopital: Fixed
1310562;1446101658;mircea_popescu;your odds of finging it amonmg all the words are negligible.
1310563;1446101687;vulpes_a_hopital;BingoBoingo: i think you want to insert a [sic] there and not correct the quote.
1310564;1446101696;pete_dushenski;hm. i lack the words in which to cloak my true intention of spreading porn to the four corners of the digital world
1310565;1446101706;BingoBoingo;it was an interview, transcription errors happen
1310566;1446101714;vulpes_a_hopital;ah
1310567;1446101728;vulpes_a_hopital;"rarely amount to any longevity"
1310568;1446101747;vulpes_a_hopital;i'd say "enjoy" but that's just me.
1310569;1446101769;*;pete_dushenski checks contravex word count... 417,967. 
1310570;1446101773;pete_dushenski;need moar !
1310571;1446101790;vulpes_a_hopital;this brings up such sweet memories of wandering along the remodeled docks talking to davout about how great of a business paymium was
1310572;1446101799;vulpes_a_hopital;er
1310573;1446101800;vulpes_a_hopital;is
1310574;1446101821;mircea_popescu;no, was is the right verbal form there. it's not tense, it's aspect.
1310575;1446101834;mircea_popescu;a frenchman would understand.
1310576;1446101858;vulpes_a_hopital;and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end
1310577;1446101883;vulpes_a_hopital;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 << classic
1310578;1446101884;assbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )
1310579;1446101901;BingoBoingo;<vulpes_a_hopital> and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end << It is at the start
1310580;1446101981;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr. her stuff is still remembered long after everyone forgot wtf gavin is supposed to have done last year.
1310581;1446102015;pete_dushenski;she really set the pr bar
1310582;1446102028;vulpes_a_hopital;BingoBoingo: with the obscurantism!
1310583;1446102040;vulpes_a_hopital;okay so riddle me this
1310584;1446102052;vulpes_a_hopital;shithub will render markdown, org, jpeg, gif
1310585;1446102056;mircea_popescu;!up kroko2
1310586;1446102058;vulpes_a_hopital;BUT NOT HTML
1310587;1446102066;vulpes_a_hopital;https://github.com/edicl/cl-ppcre/blob/master/doc/index.html
1310588;1446102069;assbot;cl-ppcre/index.html at master · edicl/cl-ppcre · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvNYb )
1310589;1446102069;BingoBoingo;Heresy
1310590;1446102078;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital do you have ANY IDEA what's involved in rendering html ?
1310591;1446102091;vulpes_a_hopital;they're rubros, stick it in an iframe
1310592;1446102097;mircea_popescu;ha
1310593;1446102098;mircea_popescu;HAHAHAHAHAHA
1310594;1446102101;mircea_popescu;ooomaygerd.
1310595;1446102112;mircea_popescu;if that worked we wouldn'\t even know what "conscientious" programmer means.
1310596;1446102122;vulpes_a_hopital;further lulz
1310597;1446102127;vulpes_a_hopital;https://raw.githubusercontent.com/edicl/cl-ppcre/master/doc/index.html
1310598;1446102127;assbot;CL-PPCRE - Portable Perl-compatible regular expressions for Common Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvWuT )
1310599;1446102141;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1310600;1446102146;mircea_popescu;that should bother some ppls.
1310601;1446102173;vulpes_a_hopital;dafuq am i supposed to do
1310602;1446102180;vulpes_a_hopital;write it to a tempfile and crack it open?
1310603;1446102185;vulpes_a_hopital;install the package to read its documentation?
1310604;1446102246;fluffypony;it's annoying as fuck when github renders markdown
1310605;1446102267;fluffypony;especially for Jekyll projects
1310606;1446102278;fluffypony;like I get that it renders README.md, but leave the rest of my files alone
1310607;1446102295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.0005435 = 20.0552 BTC [-] {3} 
1310608;1446102327;BingoBoingo;Sobriety on a Wednesday night is weird.
1310609;1446102343;mircea_popescu;;;google and there's nothing short as dying that's half as lonely as the south
1310610;1446102344;gribble;Johnny Cash - Sunday Morning Coming Down - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED5s1-Fe9FA>; Classic Cash- Johnny Cash - ManinBlack.net: <http://www.maninblack.net/Menu_Recording/ClassicCash/Classic.html>; South Park Quotes - Eircom: <http://homepage.eircom.net/~odyssey/Quotes/Popular/Comics/SouthPark.html>
1310611;1446102362;vulpes_a_hopital;fluffypony: call me when it renders latex
1310612;1446102385;BingoBoingo;vulpes_a_hopital: Which LaTex
1310613;1446102406;BingoBoingo;Gotta pick a subset, or you'll go insane
1310614;1446102455;vulpes_a_hopital;BingoBoingo: eeeeeeeeeee
1310615;1446102629;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1310616;1446102632;BingoBoingo;;;more
1310617;1446102633;gribble;Error: That's all, there is no more.
1310618;1446102635;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 305.26, vol: 29103.54531666 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 298.649, vol: 10092.94027 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 305.86, vol: 27487.13828773 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 310.0, vol: 3.84156741 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 317.578584, vol: 57620.95010000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 299.0, vol: 154.35587978 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 295.056, vol: 158.6084734 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1310619;1446102639;BingoBoingo;;;more
1310620;1446102640;gribble;310.53204778
1310621;1446102996;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz, "The police department in Anderson, north of Sacramento, announced this week that it plans to equip and train its force of 20 officers with the weapon, also called nunchuks, as a new means to detain uncooperative suspects while “limiting injuries”."
1310622;1446103014;mircea_popescu;was in the logs.
1310623;1446103048;pete_dushenski;my bad
1310624;1446103210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00054336 = 16.2736 BTC [-] {3} 
1310625;1446103264;pete_dushenski;in other nyooz that actually is, "Google has teamed up with three Indonesian telecommunications companies to expand Internet access in that country using solar-powered balloons."
1310626;1446103297;pete_dushenski;maybe not what you'd want to annouce of 'dc dirigible on the loose' day
1310627;1446103343;pete_dushenski;"The project sends solar-powered balloons 16,000 feet (5,000 meters) into the air to deliver Internet access through radio frequency signals to antennae connected to buildings on the ground. The balloons use algorithms to find the best winds to carry them along their charted course."
1310628;1446103655;vulpes_a_hopital;re announcement maybe
1310629;1446103658;vulpes_a_hopital;http://www.wired.com/2013/08/googlex-project-loon/
1310630;1446103659;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZP0hw )
1310631;1446103766;pete_dushenski;vulpes_a_hopital that'd be the one.
1310632;1446103774;*;pete_dushenski to bed. cheers !
1310633;1446104186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18342 @ 0.00054325 = 9.9643 BTC [-] {2} 
1310634;1446104393;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/04/hop_with_russell_brand.html << rather interesting.
1310635;1446104394;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hop, With Russell Brand: A Life Lesson For 4 Year Olds ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcBeY )
1310636;1446104399;mircea_popescu;Where have you ever heard the words, "by the power vested in me?"  That's right, it's a domestic partnership, a marriage of sorts, and rather than try and un-pc figure out which one's the girl and which one's the boy simply observe that person B finds actualization by completely subsuming his own identity into the business of person A, who in turn gets the leisure time to pursue other interests (like drumming.)  That,
1310637;1446104399;mircea_popescu;my fellow 4 year olds, is an American fairy tale.
1310638;1446104458;mircea_popescu;so the plan, if we lend credence to tlp's interpretation, and if we believe the data to be illustrative, is EXACTLY http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/#selection-81.0-81.481
1310639;1446104459;assbot;The idea for a great film... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcErm )
1310640;1446104476;mircea_popescu;but EXACTLY. minus, of course, the violence, the act of will. a negotiated, agreed upon, "by the power" deal.
1310641;1446104485;mircea_popescu;curious if it works.
1310642;1446104838;mircea_popescu;"0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child.  This is axiomatic.  No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes."  Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.
1310643;1446104855;mircea_popescu;that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.
1310644;1446106257;punkman;https://www.nobilified.com/
1310645;1446106259;assbot;Nobilified | We paint your face on history! ... ( http://bit.ly/20c3COt )
1310646;1446106611;mircea_popescu;!up stefek99
1310647;1446106636;stefek99;Why I was voiced? What does it mean?
1310648;1446106651;stefek99;(I very rarely use IRC)
1310649;1446106662;mircea_popescu;it means that you can say things.
1310650;1446106856;punkman;https://www.instapainting.com/blog/company/2015/10/28/how-to-paint-10000-paintings/
1310651;1446106857;assbot;How Do You Paint 10,000 Paintings a Month? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCKK4V )
1310652;1446107053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54422 @ 0.00054316 = 29.5599 BTC [-] {3} 
1310653;1446107078;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/05/how_to_write_a_college_applica.html << wow. now this is a valuable tidbit : "Still don't see it?  There's a very good chance that the only person who will ever read your college essay is 25 years old.
1310654;1446107080;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: How To Write A College Application Essay Or Personal Statement ... ( http://bit.ly/20c5mY0 )
1310655;1446107080;mircea_popescu;II.
1310656;1446107080;mircea_popescu;In every college admissions website, they are referred to as "Admissions Officers."  While I didn't assume they were in the military, I suppose I did assume they were... old.  er.
1310657;1446107080;mircea_popescu;And some are, I guess, there's got to be an Admissions Dean in the building somewhere.  But the average applicant is writing an essay that he thinks an adult with a suit and three kids would want to read.  Instead, it's probably being read by someone who can't wait for the new iphone and still bites their nails.  Ten grand says they think Jon Stewart is "a freakin' political genius.""
1310658;1446107108;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many kids actually earnestly trying to play that lottery know this is going to be the case and write to that audience (barristas)
1310659;1446107124;mircea_popescu;"hool teacher to determine the curriculum's rigor. But the samples also tell something about the readers. "I had one essay that said how awful Twilight was"--the essay was about damaging themes of female submissiveness in the series--"and I was like, 'Admit her!' " says Melissa Faulner, a 2006 grad on the committee."
1310660;1446107171;mircea_popescu;so very damaging, the themes of female submission. to otherwise unemployable, wasted-life-is-only-a-matter-of-time 13yo girls trapped in 25something female bodies.
1310661;1446107187;mircea_popescu;they damage the protective shelling they secreted!
1310662;1446107329;mircea_popescu;" They don't give his age, they give a physical description. Media-- and The New Yorker is probably the wost offender of this--   offers a physical description of their subject as a code about their character in exactly the way the media would never allow a regular person to do." <<< right, because it's not about anythihng but trying to misrepresent themselves as powerful. the only reason random derp can't say "nigger"
1310663;1446107329;mircea_popescu; in the restaurant is so that random fishwrap can say "upscale neighbourhood" like it means something.
1310664;1446107571;mircea_popescu;this is, incidentally, a fundamental point to be considered for those inclined to interact with the scum (aka, non-qntra reporters), a point which that seduction expert (i don't recall which one but was in the logs - something about how he went on a "live" show where the 5 dollar audience bood him on cue) : you do want to control their codes. because you must project your own ownership of reality, and of their sorry pe
1310665;1446107571;mircea_popescu;rsons. they might write IN the washington post, but for as long as they write ABOUT you they write FOR you. so they can write whatever they want, but they do NOT get to write "upscale neighbourhood", or, as tlp's apt example goes "If they profiled me it woudl start, "Wearing a disheveled undershirt clutching a rock..." and leave it to you to make an objective assessment (="drunkard, likely unbalanced.")".
1310666;1446107597;mircea_popescu;and if they won't not let you, if they won't be EAGERLY complicit in your control of "their" codes, you punish them.
1310667;1446107599;mircea_popescu;badly.
1310668;1446107630;mircea_popescu;(which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)
1310669;1446107716;mircea_popescu;this one single thing is about 130% of what -the best of the best!- pr does, so let's put pete_d on notice about it.
1310670;1446108084;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/college%20essay.PNG :D
1310671;1446108085;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCLJ5o )
1310672;1446108476;mircea_popescu;"There is something presumptuous, not to mention deluded, about a print magazine that no one reads claiming that a movie no one will see is a peerless window into something anyone can access anytime they want."
1310673;1446108485;mircea_popescu;win.
1310674;1446108510;mircea_popescu;"Ponder that flippant run-on sentence for its hidden truth.  Who judges whom?  What are the criteria for becoming a judge?  It's not popularity; nor the sophistication of the staff and writers; or the insight of a director.  In the hierarchy of authenticity and truth, which one is at the top?  Why can Variety call someone "internet obsessed" but no one can call Variety a "comic book" which, as I am about to show, it is
1310675;1446108510;mircea_popescu;?"
1310676;1446108531;mircea_popescu;they CAN. and they should. the reason they don't has a lot to do with that peerless question of "what would tlp do if he individuated".
1310677;1446108557;mircea_popescu;stop playing with the toys ? likely, but not necessarily. stop thinking the toys were actual things ? definitely, foundationally.
1310678;1446108629;mircea_popescu;while there's nothing wrong with a 20yo playing with a dollhouse in her hoisiery, there IS something very very wrong with a 20yo that actually thinks of dolls as if they were people. or that "animals have rights too!", which is exactly a proxy for that.
1310679;1446109943;davout;i haz an article
1310680;1446109955;davout;an interenet celebraritee is me
1310681;1446109997;mircea_popescu;eh, that's nothing.
1310682;1446110023;davout;ugh, stop your micro-aggressing
1310683;1446110026;mircea_popescu;until butthurt somethingawfulers add your name to the list of the various idiots you either personally sunk or otherwise frontrun the sinking of, you've not really made it!
1310684;1446110114;davout;well, i do have a june something 2011 video going around where i, i essence, tell karupuresu he has no fucking clue how to run an exchange :D
1310685;1446110155;mircea_popescu;lol
1310686;1446110164;mircea_popescu;there is hope for you!
1310687;1446110241;mircea_popescu;but did you even get banned from fetlife irl or something ?
1310688;1446110265;mircea_popescu;brigading is a prerequisite to celebrity!
1310689;1446110390;davout;i did get demoted by theymos from my mod position for basically calling him a derp. i think that counts!11
1310690;1446110568;mircea_popescu;yeah there is hope for you.
1310691;1446110594;mircea_popescu;o wait you're no longer oppressing alt-language tards/noobs over at tardtalk ?
1310692;1446110771;davout;nah, bad_duck is doing it now
1310693;1446110815;mircea_popescu;well... can't be 16 forever.
1310694;1446110828;davout;anyway, i had a look around yesterday about deterministic signatures, and didn't find anything regarding the official cult position
1310695;1446110854;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?
1310696;1446110915;davout;nah, i was trying to figure out exactly, at what points should sane software accept user-generated entropy
1310697;1446110930;mircea_popescu;this is actually an excellent question.
1310698;1446110965;mircea_popescu;i want to add a reference to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-09-2015#1278807
1310699;1446110965;assbot;Logged on 18-09-2015 20:57:58; mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
1310700;1446110988;punkman;davout, here's a thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948829
1310701;1446110988;assbot;Logged on 08-12-2014 23:27:03; punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"
1310702;1446111004;mircea_popescu;A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.
1310703;1446111012;davout;punkman: i shall read it, tyvm
1310704;1446111047;davout;mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong
1310705;1446111102;davout;in the sense that, if you depend on it for 'generating' random numbers, as opposed to simply behaving like a strictly deterministic machine, you're fuxxored
1310706;1446111111;mircea_popescu;yeah. you know what's wrong ? that you want to fuck it, is what's wrong. sadly, there's not going to be any solution to people wnating to fuck their computers.
1310707;1446111116;mircea_popescu;so we're stuck figuring out the rng issues.
1310708;1446111146;davout;i want to fuck my computer?
1310709;1446111146;mircea_popescu;calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever.
1310710;1446111149;mircea_popescu;you do.
1310711;1446111167;mircea_popescu;you are NOT content with it being a simple calculator. it gotta wear fucking heels and lipstick for you.
1310712;1446111174;mircea_popescu;you want to play fucking games and whatnot.
1310713;1446111183;mircea_popescu;you want to fuck your computer, that's all there is to it.
1310714;1446111240;davout;lolwut
1310715;1446111307;mircea_popescu;i'm actually serious, tho it sounds pretty nutty.
1310716;1446111334;mircea_popescu;the usecases for "computer" precludes the calculator model, let's put it this way.
1310717;1446111376;mircea_popescu;and i'm not judging anyone for wanting to fuck their box. i understand the impulse, and hey, it beats trying to fuck your station wagon. or mains socket.
1310718;1446111458;davout;you're the one doing the freudian slips tho
1310719;1446111480;mircea_popescu;probably. where ?
1310720;1446111489;davout;the box thing
1310721;1446111505;mircea_popescu;why do you suppose it is we don't all run dos ?
1310722;1446111523;mircea_popescu;"not good enough". really ? not good enough for what ? "networking!!1". o ?
1310723;1446111575;mircea_popescu;i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?
1310724;1446111586;mircea_popescu;"sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."
1310725;1446111650;davout;i'm not saying that being a calculator should be the alpha and omega of computing, just that for crypto purposes it's probably better to not think of a RNG as something acceptable
1310726;1446111671;mircea_popescu;well, acceptable or not im pretty much persuaded it's something that must be in there.
1310727;1446111680;davout;the RNG in the computer?
1310728;1446111705;mircea_popescu;but the more interesting question is twinfold : a) why would you not think of a calculator as the omega of computing and b) what would be the omega of computing then ?
1310729;1446111717;mircea_popescu;b) is obviously "a girlfriend that's also god". of course.
1310730;1446111727;mircea_popescu;davout yeah the rng.
1310731;1446111790;mircea_popescu;(also, the RNG content of a computer is not strictly found in a box labeled such).
1310732;1446111932;mircea_popescu;anyway, all this aside : digging out the whole rng story is a huge hot core of useful, important inquiry.
1310733;1446111934;mircea_popescu;insist.
1310734;1446111962;davout;i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer
1310735;1446111976;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, only one kind of state.
1310736;1446111979;mircea_popescu;right ?
1310737;1446112018;davout;mebbe
1310738;1446112032;mircea_popescu;"most hot chicks, in order to be hot, copy something a celebrity wears; remember the Rachel-do?  No problem, they look hot in it; but their delusion is that they are referencing Jennifer Aniston and not the millions of other women with the exact same haircut, i.e. that they draw their identity only from the celebrity's identity-- "This look really says me!"  Yet sit along the wall of the bar and the conclusion is inevi
1310739;1446112033;mircea_popescu;table: yes, you're hot, but you don't look like Rachel, you look like the other hot chick right next to you.  And, bafflingly, you did it on purpose."
1310740;1446112065;mircea_popescu;globalization's a thing. market competition is a thing. there will be always a dominant type of anything.
1310741;1446112102;mircea_popescu;and generally, the more power, the more power law.
1310742;1446112130;mircea_popescu;the reason there existed ten thousand types of typewriter and exactly one ibm xt is that typewriters suck.
1310743;1446112660;mircea_popescu;"That's the difference between Wikileaks and the regular press.  For the reporter, climate change is not a scientific question, or else it wouldn't matter what cables get released.  It's a political one, in which competing narratives are bolstered by circumstantial evidence and appeals to authority and control of the debate." << epic. from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/05/3_important_things_about_the_n.html
1310744;1446112662;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: 3 Important Things About The New Wikileaks Controversy ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDHYew )
1310745;1446112789;mircea_popescu;wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".
1310746;1446116569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5783 @ 0.00054488 = 3.151 BTC [+]
1310747;1446126073;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310480 << substitute 'human compiler' for 'programmer' and suddenly it all makes sense...
1310748;1446126073;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 06:35:59; mircea_popescu: "conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.
1310749;1446126127;asciilifeform;yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious'
1310750;1446126144;asciilifeform;see also my old article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388
1310751;1446126146;assbot;Loper OS » Steam Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWqkWp )
1310752;1446126290;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay.
1310753;1446126290;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 03:35:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp AC
1310754;1446126401;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310341 << dan mocsny got there first. (along with prolly every single fella who took the pill, knowing the secret of the why.)
1310755;1446126401;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 04:14:23; BingoBoingo: "The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."
1310756;1446126474;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it
1310757;1446126474;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:18; mircea_popescu: "0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child.  This is axiomatic.  No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes."  Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.
1310758;1446126538;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310644 << goes great with mircea_popescu's 'everyone thinks he's a baron now' thing
1310759;1446126538;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 08:10:57; punkman: https://www.nobilified.com/
1310760;1446126791;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310695 << basic idea: go and try to actually TEST, e.g., gpg key generator. as in, deterministically. this is nontrivial - gotta saw off the entropy collector and replace with something.
1310761;1446126791;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:27:34; mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?
1310762;1446126894;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310702 << i don't regard the subject as a box of mysteries.
1310763;1446126894;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:04; mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.
1310764;1446126908;asciilifeform;see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2013#391471
1310765;1446126908;assbot;Logged on 25-11-2013 03:41:29; asciilifeform: the essential, non-negotiable property of an rng suitable for crypto is that its output must not be readily available to the enemy.
1310766;1446127032;asciilifeform;there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.')
1310767;1446127036;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it.
1310768;1446127136;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again..
1310769;1446127136;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:47; davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong
1310770;1446127225;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310723 << your thinkpad is faster than half of the machines in the room from which i'm posting. but 'workstation' has specific meaning.
1310771;1446127225;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:35; mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?
1310772;1446127248;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310724 << MP DOES NOT WRITE SOFTWARE
1310773;1446127248;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:46; mircea_popescu: "sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."
1310774;1446127288;asciilifeform;how much of his life does mircea_popescu spend waiting for compiles? for numbers to crunch? and i specifically mean WAITING FOR A MACHINE not for a human operator to get his shit together
1310775;1446127353;asciilifeform;~this~ is part of what 'workstation' means. minimizing the hours of your life BURNED waiting for a cpu.
1310776;1446127380;asciilifeform;the other half of what it means is NUKING as much as possible of the share of your life spent waiting for your hands to move viewports around, and the like.
1310777;1446127387;asciilifeform;this means a ROOM full of displays if you can swing it
1310778;1446127397;asciilifeform;and the requisite hardware to drive it.
1310779;1446127491;asciilifeform;i still recall the days when a developer would spend an hour a day WAITING FOR REBOOTS
1310780;1446127500;asciilifeform;because the box COULD CRASH
1310781;1446127508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ THIS is why not msdos.
1310782;1446127514;asciilifeform;if for no other reason.
1310783;1446127600;asciilifeform;though perhaps this is a good time to remind people that a sane computer would look quite like an msdos box in some ways
1310784;1446127611;asciilifeform;e.g., if you can have 48 'cores' there is NO REASON TO HAVE A SCHEDULER
1310785;1446127641;asciilifeform;just populate them with whatever needs to be running, ever. preferably at boot.
1310786;1446127704;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310745 << i read this piece but do not grasp how it relates to my position on *leaks
1310787;1446127704;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:59:49; mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".
1310788;1446127714;thestringpuller;;;later tell ben_vulpes via a series of tubes
1310789;1446127714;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310790;1446127750;asciilifeform;(which is, roughly, that the 'leaks' thus far are 1% good stuff - e.g., the ANT catalogue, the ECI directorates list, and that's pretty much IT - while the remainder is 9 parts cheapo operational garbage to 1 part deliberate disinfo)
1310791;1446127772;asciilifeform;nothing in there about 'context'.
1310792;1446128240;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310734 << dingdingding winner
1310793;1446128240;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:46:02; davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer
1310794;1446128308;asciilifeform;a ~workstation~ is one particular kind. and it means different things to different people, yes.
1310795;1446128368;asciilifeform;e.g., to walk the blockchain, verify a raid array 24/7 in a loop, handle six parallel compiles; store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set; etc.
1310796;1446128423;asciilifeform;it is not, i will note, essential that all of these things happen on the ~same~ cpu
1310797;1446128446;asciilifeform;but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.
1310798;1446128480;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1310799;1446128508;davout;"store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set" <<< i thought emacs could *generate* bach fugues
1310800;1446128694;vulpes_a_hopital;davout: http://overtone.github.io/
1310801;1446128695;assbot;Overtone - Collaborative Programmable Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEbaSH )
1310802;1446128717;vulpes_a_hopital;wankery aside, it's a nifty interface to the engine
1310803;1446128834;vulpes_a_hopital;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310756 << perhaps i lose sight of what it is to "be rich", but all one must do is...not send the kids off to socialist day camp.
1310804;1446128834;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:47:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it
1310805;1446128867;davout;vulpes_a_hopital: lol nice, the cheatsheet is like 4 pages long !1
1310806;1446128925;vulpes_a_hopital;davout: learning to play that software is a pretty long journey
1310807;1446128936;davout;looks like it
1310808;1446130876;phf;hipster programmer, hates github, goes to github to read package documentation
1310809;1446131078;phf;vulpes_a_hopital: edi weitz's code only recently got its own github repos when others took over the maintenance (mostly to ensure that it can be packaged into quicklisp). but a canonical place for cl-ppcre (and a handful of other lisp packages for doing "modern" programming) is http://weitz.de/lisp.html
1310810;1446131079;assbot;Edi Weitz - Common Lisp code ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSL9D8 )
1310811;1446131866;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310797 <<< its gay if panels are touching. i think you could hardly consider parts actually isolated from each other if they're in physical proximity
1310812;1446131866;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 14:20:46; asciilifeform: but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.
1310813;1446132185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37427 @ 0.00054521 = 20.4056 BTC [+] {3} 
1310814;1446133919;thestringpuller;!gettrust jgarzik
1310815;1446133919;assbot;Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=jgarzik | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jgarzik/
1310816;1446135540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00054275 = 30.0412 BTC [-] {4} 
1310817;1446135931;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1310818;1446135951;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310803 << last i heard, this costs money.
1310819;1446135951;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 14:27:14; vulpes_a_hopital: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310756 << perhaps i lose sight of what it is to "be rich", but all one must do is...not send the kids off to socialist day camp.
1310820;1446135980;ascii_field;(supposing that you're not a mexican peasant who can harness them to the plough when they're six y.o.)
1310821;1446136446;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310811 << if your shit is all plugged into the same mains breaker without isolation transformers you're equally incestuous...
1310822;1446136446;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 15:17:46; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310797 <<< its gay if panels are touching. i think you could hardly consider parts actually isolated from each other if they're in physical proximity
1310823;1446136498;ascii_field;in other nyooz, for mircea_popescu et al, https://i.imgur.com/YHdmZTP.jpg
1310824;1446136499;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDgUfT )
1310825;1446136553;davout;ascii_field: agreed
1310826;1446136801;davout;so today, i had a customer complain by e-mail that he had trouble getting in front of everyone in the order book, and that it was a bad experience
1310827;1446136812;davout;because some bot kept... getting in front of him
1310828;1446136863;davout;"ohai, i'm trying to do X, and i get frustrated because someone automated X and is therefore doing it better than me, pls to change the rules accordingly"
1310829;1446136891;pete_dushenski;rage against the machine (tm) (r)
1310830;1446136913;pete_dushenski;'they took ur jobs !'
1310831;1446137079;davout;"In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market.  They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"
1310832;1446137799;punkman;davout: do the bots rapidly cancel orders?
1310833;1446137816;pete_dushenski;davout: reminds me of the 'market researchers' in http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/
1310834;1446137819;assbot;What the market is and what it isn’t. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDjm6j )
1310835;1446137922;davout;punkman: not really
1310836;1446137933;pete_dushenski;'if a market isn't fair and equally distributive for all participants, it's not a market'
1310837;1446137943;davout;pete_dushenski: lol, nice new pic!
1310838;1446138046;pete_dushenski;davout: i think your besuited linkedin pic subconsciously inspired it
1310839;1446138085;davout;#b-a is getting all corporate and shit I guess
1310840;1446138088;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1310841;1446138137;pete_dushenski;davout: as long as we don't all have to wear ibm blue corporate suits and plain white shirts ;)
1310842;1446138239;pete_dushenski;and in further 'let's all get along mkay'/'#b-a attitude is mean' news, some more lulzy comments in my direction from that (not so) random car blog :
1310843;1446138242;pete_dushenski;"Pete seems to think that by attacking any and everything that many people hold dear, he is showing himself a free thinker who is exposing hypocrisy. But I think jz78817 provides a much clearer and simpler explanation of the behavior: total @ss-holeness, used as a defense mechanism for a total inability to get along with most, if not all, people."
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1310845;1446138271;pete_dushenski;"And if Pete’s ego gets fueled by what he might consider success in waging his “social experiments” amongst your other followers, I would expect that, like bad money driving out good, too much Pete D will result in a decline in participation by others who manage to take different viewpoints, and disagree, while not finding it necessary to insult each other, people’s countries, their religions, the attrac
1310846;1446138271;pete_dushenski;tiveness of their children, and any and every other thing that might qualify as a button to press."
1310847;1446138311;pete_dushenski;"To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
1310848;1446138320;davout;which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"
1310849;1446138328;ascii_field;since pete_dushenski is awake, i suppose i ought to try to explain to him whatever it is that he doesn't seem to grasp re: my being a slave.
1310850;1446138351;pete_dushenski;davout: thus, facebook was born
1310851;1446138357;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: shoot
1310852;1446138368;ascii_field;let's start with the basics
1310853;1446138386;davout;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 <<< because obviously the team will happily be my personal army and not simply take my gf and point at me laughing
1310854;1446138386;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
1310855;1446138440;ascii_field;how did pete_dushenski arrive at the notion that i was ~not~ a slave ?
1310856;1446138455;pete_dushenski;davout: lol commenter dood can't even imagine such a thing !
1310857;1446138462;ascii_field;is it because i get to post weird shit on the net ?
1310858;1446138474;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: never said you weren't, just that perhaps you're an upper class slave ?
1310859;1446138485;ascii_field;newzflash: sometimes slaves are permitted their slave derpitudes in their cabins on plantation.
1310860;1446138496;ascii_field;there is no such thing as 'upper class slave'
1310861;1446138502;ascii_field;today i am permitted things, tomorrow - perhaps not
1310862;1446138517;davout;ascii_field: after reading a bit about ancient rome i have to disagree
1310863;1446138543;ascii_field;roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.
1310864;1446138572;ascii_field;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/95069240?trk=vsrp_jobs_cluster_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A168653501446058347732%2CVSRPtargetId%3A95069240%2CVSRPcmpt%3Ajobs_cluster << add to the balloon story
1310865;1446138573;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20dsTHZ )
1310866;1446138573;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310867;1446138587;davout;it was explicit, but i'd be curious to hear more about how it's in effect different
1310868;1446138604;davout;other than today's slavery being implicit
1310869;1446138609;ascii_field;davout: this is how: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-10-2015#1305374
1310870;1446138609;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2015 16:54:16; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305362 << nobody abolished slavery, ever. but a few generations of ascendant industrial degenerates ~did~ find a way to dispense with the parts they disliked - the ones where you have to actually care for your pets
1310871;1446138691;davout;that doesn't mean there's no hierarchy among slaves
1310872;1446138757;ascii_field;there can be no ~stable~ hierarchy among them.
1310873;1446138767;ascii_field;master can lower any slave into pederasty when he likes.
1310874;1446138781;pete_dushenski;there can be no stable hierarchy. anywhere.
1310875;1446138797;pete_dushenski;anytime.
1310876;1446138799;davout;this.
1310877;1446138830;ascii_field;idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable
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1310879;1446138880;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: but you're not both slaves, nor both masters
1310880;1446138892;ascii_field;well yes
1310881;1446138900;ascii_field;my point is that 'anytime anywhere' is fucking nonsense
1310882;1446138905;pete_dushenski;no one's saying that there isn't a fair degree of stability inter-class, rather intra-
1310883;1446138919;ascii_field;some hierarchies are geologically stable.
1310884;1446138970;pete_dushenski;that's a different argument than 'all slaves are low class slaves'
1310885;1446138982;pete_dushenski;there are gradations in all things, classes idem
1310886;1446139007;pete_dushenski;which is why some slaves become free-men, some don't
1310887;1446139015;ascii_field;the basic idea in being a slave,
1310888;1446139020;ascii_field;is that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL
1310889;1446139023;ascii_field;over what happens to you.
1310890;1446139052;punkman;relevant draft by nntaleb https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50282823/employee.pdf
1310891;1446139054;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDlqey )
1310892;1446139072;davout;ascii_field: you do have a fair level of control i'd say
1310893;1446139081;pete_dushenski;ascii_field: you see that this would be a largely, if not completely, personal assessment ?
1310894;1446139085;ascii_field;no.
1310895;1446139089;ascii_field;it is a pretty objective thing.
1310896;1446139093;pete_dushenski;yes, if someone has life and death control over you
1310897;1446139107;pete_dushenski;as in, bullet
1310898;1446139109;davout;and note that i'm extremely unqualified to speak on the subject, but it seems to me that as long as you behave, you don't get beaten up
1310899;1446139113;ascii_field;or as in can't-make-rent
1310900;1446139140;pete_dushenski;can't-make-rent means foodstamps and midnight line-ups at walmart
1310901;1446139141;ascii_field;davout: ANY TIME i can end up in the position of having to do ANYTHING, how the fuck is this so hard to grasp
1310902;1446139143;pete_dushenski;not death
1310903;1446139157;pete_dushenski;'but it feels like death'
1310904;1446139181;pete_dushenski;^wouldn't be terribly objective now would it
1310905;1446139196;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?
1310906;1446139220;pete_dushenski;in the material. breathing+heart beating = life.
1310907;1446139222;davout;ascii_field: i guess i fail to see how, unless at gun point obv.
1310908;1446139226;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: being places in a position where you can no longer meet your WoT obligations differs from death how ?!
1310909;1446139230;ascii_field;*placed
1310910;1446139297;pete_dushenski;this is no different than the position of the 'master' y'know
1310911;1446139300;pete_dushenski;upper class too
1310912;1446139341;ascii_field;wt
1310913;1446139341;ascii_field;f
1310914;1446139355;ascii_field;are you on lsd, pete_dushenski  ?
1310915;1446139375;pete_dushenski;one of us is !
1310916;1446139445;davout;lol
1310917;1446139566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52937 @ 0.00054589 = 28.8978 BTC [+] {2} 
1310918;1446139782;pete_dushenski;https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_eth << heh. ginormous dead cat bounce.
1310919;1446139783;assbot;Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwg1O )
1310920;1446139807;pete_dushenski;never surrender !
1310921;1446139888;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/ << 10 points in 10 games. right on track for upset in 82 game season.
1310922;1446139889;assbot;BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (12%) on Yes, 1.41 B (88%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 days | weight: 73`290 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t )
1310923;1446139907;pete_dushenski;may be of interest to gabrielradio^
1310924;1446139934;pete_dushenski;;;later tell gabrielradio have you seen this one ? http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va
1310925;1446139935;assbot;Insarcinati-va! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwGoP )
1310926;1446139935;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310927;1446139945;pete_dushenski;!up ascii_field
1310928;1446139983;pete_dushenski;;;later tell funkenstein_ http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/28/how-to-tell-if-youre-middle-class/#comment-34086
1310929;1446139984;assbot;How to tell if you’re middle class. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/20dwNAS )
1310930;1446139984;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1310931;1446140053;mircea_popescu;o look, a log.
1310932;1446140168;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310643 << yin and yang.
1310933;1446140168;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:35; mircea_popescu: that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.
1310934;1446140285;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-brings-destruction/#comment-71640
1310935;1446140286;assbot;Billion Dollar Blimp Brings Destruction | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/20dxLwP )
1310936;1446140369;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310668 << on notice is me :)
1310937;1446140369;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 08:33:50; mircea_popescu: (which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)
1310938;1446140577;mircea_popescu;!up gares_
1310939;1446140579;mircea_popescu;!up Garmin
1310940;1446140735;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310749 << not to mention hotter. I suspect the next step, 5th wave feminism, will consist on rounding up some men and making them pull barges for this benefit.
1310941;1446140735;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:42:07; asciilifeform: yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious'
1310942;1446140760;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310752 << the two can coexist. and he IS a coccooned girl in many aspects
1310943;1446140760;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:44:50; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay.
1310944;1446140821;BingoBoingo;ANd Google Fiber Dissapoint its first city: http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article41746446.html
1310945;1446140821;assbot;Google Fiber apologizes for outage at World Series start, cites server problems | The Kansas City Star ... ( http://bit.ly/20dzcLS )
1310946;1446140825;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/10/interview-with-david-francois-on-building-a-real-bitcoin-business/#comment-71571 << should would enable stupid? or let him reread the article a few times until he finds the link.
1310947;1446140833;mircea_popescu;this "if only i won a war - then i'd be adult, which means with *women*, too" thing boys keep doing doth not work irl. yes, he's adult, he pays bills. he has all the weird of a 15yo girl in relation to the one year older "WHORES!!!! SLUTS!!!!" as in for instance http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/06/an_education.html
1310948;1446140835;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: An Education ... ( http://bit.ly/20dzaU1 )
1310949;1446140876;mircea_popescu;omaigerd anyone who would invite a 16yo into life is a psychopath!!1. which really masks "omaygerd being 16 is so fucking scary!111" which he can't confront. because 15. but maybe next summer, after camp...
1310950;1446140883;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: I put it there
1310951;1446140937;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: excellent use of 'lemma' and 'palea' ;)
1310952;1446140949;mircea_popescu;lol. tsp workin hard!
1310953;1446140964;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: unless your intel folks told you something i don't know about tlp - his life is a pisspot because he lives and works in usaschwitz being veterinarian to the cattle, rather than because he fails to properly grasp the mechanics of 16 y.o. gurlz...
1310954;1446140976;mircea_popescu;not grasp it. live it.
1310955;1446140981;mircea_popescu;there is a difference.
1310956;1446140993;mircea_popescu;i grasp flight and lo can not fly, either
1310957;1446141022;mircea_popescu;is this because i live in argentina, where no one flies ?
1310958;1446141023;ascii_field;what does this 'live it' look like in practical engineering terms ?
1310959;1446141039;mircea_popescu;is it because i eat the tainted food of argentines, who are the sort of people who don't fly, and probably for a reason ?
1310960;1446141050;mircea_popescu;if only i had better food! like say blue food. who hid all the blue food ?
1310961;1446141097;mircea_popescu;ascii_field live it looks like nothing in "practical, engineering terms" of people who do not, for that very reason. what does a mechanism that will allow you to step on the moon look in practical terms, of chairs and stacking strategies ?
1310962;1446141112;ascii_field;^ this is precisely what i was trying to say !
1310963;1446141117;mircea_popescu;so then there we go!
1310964;1446141219;Garmin;thanks for the up
1310965;1446141255;pete_dushenski;Garmin: are you a gps-bot ?
1310966;1446141268;mircea_popescu;!up RBLP
1310967;1446141270;mircea_popescu;sure.
1310968;1446141351;Garmin;nope, ima human meat bot lol
1310969;1446141389;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310758 << speaking of which, i would ~love~ to find thatarticle where i explain that's the problem of fertility and marriage, that society can't afford to pay these delusional baronets what it used to pay the actual ones to mount woman.
1310970;1446141389;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:48:58; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310644 << goes great with mircea_popescu's 'everyone thinks he's a baron now' thing
1310971;1446141394;mircea_popescu;dja recall it ascii_field ?
1310972;1446141418;pete_dushenski;Garmin: and what brings your meatness here this fine day ?
1310973;1446141418;ascii_field;most recently in one with 'insanity' in the title iirc
1310974;1446141420;shinohai;Don't believe him, Garmin resides in my radio
1310975;1446141449;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310760 << would be VERY useful to fuzz the shit out of it, and actually we'd be doing this if gpg weren't slated for removal. trivial to instrument, replace /urand with a counter and let it run and compare the output.
1310976;1446141449;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:53:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310695 << basic idea: go and try to actually TEST, e.g., gpg key generator. as in, deterministically. this is nontrivial - gotta saw off the entropy collector and replace with something.
1310977;1446141451;pete_dushenski;shinohai: in your gabrielradio ?
1310978;1446141461;mircea_popescu;ascii_field no months ago. maybe year+
1310979;1446141486;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: i have done this, fwiw.
1310980;1446141491;ascii_field;and many other things.
1310981;1446141496;mircea_popescu;to any notable result ?
1310982;1446141521;ascii_field;if i had a notable result, i might have posted it, no?
1310983;1446141526;mircea_popescu;makes two of us.
1310984;1446141537;mircea_popescu;all the work and expense that goes into not saying anything at all...
1310985;1446141537;ascii_field;as it is, nobody gives a fuck about 'i have done this' and this is proper.
1310986;1446141542;Garmin;pete_dushenski  < is tricked by shinohai meat bot AI =)
1310987;1446141545;ascii_field;99.9% of what i do - never mentioned
1310988;1446141548;ascii_field;because why?!
1310989;1446141556;mircea_popescu;i do better than that, because sex.
1310990;1446141561;mircea_popescu;but still, 80% ?
1310991;1446141567;*;ascii_field doesn't post the sex either
1310992;1446141577;ascii_field;except perhaps for that endoscope pic
1310993;1446141580;mircea_popescu;same reason ?
1310994;1446141586;ascii_field;aha!
1310995;1446141594;mircea_popescu;kay hehe.
1310996;1446141600;ascii_field;why share the things that compress so well with prior art.
1310997;1446141641;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310766 << the problem is wider than just "what's a good rng" or even acceptable conceptually "As rng". such as, "why is one there ?"
1310998;1446141641;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:57:12; asciilifeform: there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.')
1310999;1446141662;ascii_field;iirc i discussed this at great length
1311000;1446141677;ascii_field;(re: how rng-ness is not a mathematical property of the bits, etc.)
1311001;1446141690;mircea_popescu;right
1311002;1446141698;mircea_popescu;and we will be discussing it at length in the future.
1311003;1446141715;ascii_field;for some reason some people find the idea a very tough nut
1311004;1446141717;mircea_popescu;rng is imo least understood part of the box. a sort of equivalent of magnetism in physics.
1311005;1446141781;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1311006;1446141793;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310772 << then what's trilema!
1311007;1446141793;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 14:00:48; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310724 << MP DOES NOT WRITE SOFTWARE
1311008;1446141796;ascii_field;rng is merely ~one~ way to perform the function that it is for
1311009;1446141800;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking hardware, is it ?
1311010;1446141802;ascii_field;trilema is text.
1311011;1446141808;mircea_popescu;what is this "text" ?
1311012;1446141826;*;ascii_field puts on sophistry gas mask with fresh canister
1311013;1446141832;ascii_field;hssssshsh.
1311014;1446141846;mircea_popescu;yeees ?
1311015;1446141847;ascii_field;khhhh.
1311016;1446141856;mircea_popescu;it is my fault you use words like fucking Vogue ?
1311017;1446141872;deedbot-;[Qntra] Google Fiber Dissapoints First City to Host Service - http://qntra.net/2015/10/google-fiber-dissapoints-first-city-to-host-service/
1311018;1446141876;pete_dushenski;bbl
1311019;1446141905;ascii_field;'text' doesn't need to satisfy a compiler.
1311020;1446141915;mircea_popescu;the ~ reason ~ "programming" decayed into its present shape IS THAT there is no difference to be had.
1311021;1446141928;mircea_popescu;this sort of thing is what i MEAN when i say "understand rng".
1311022;1446141945;mircea_popescu;nobody "in computing" seems to have understood or even wanted to think about "wtf is this text"
1311023;1446141956;mircea_popescu;ascii_field then trilema isn't text.
1311024;1446141972;ascii_field;let's do the basics then/
1311025;1446141975;mircea_popescu;let's.
1311026;1446142029;ascii_field;can describe 'text' as a program as well. simply with much larger valid phase space.
1311027;1446142037;mircea_popescu;so ?
1311028;1446142042;mircea_popescu;and what is "larger"
1311029;1446142051;mircea_popescu;is this a hilbert hotel sort of faux larger ?
1311030;1446142058;ascii_field;no
1311031;1446142060;mircea_popescu;did you count alphs ? do you have a definition of alephs ?
1311032;1446142085;mircea_popescu;do not speak to me without backing, for i will eat your words.
1311033;1446142130;ascii_field;simply that is is a program for a certain kind of apparatus, where the instructions correspond to throwing glyphs on a display
1311034;1446142140;mircea_popescu;a "kind" ? what kind.
1311035;1446142143;mircea_popescu;computers are a kind now ?
1311036;1446142157;ascii_field;the kind that takes octets and turns'em into glyphs ?
1311037;1446142172;ascii_field;(e.g., a vt100)
1311038;1446142185;mircea_popescu;you mean, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310768 ?
1311039;1446142185;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 13:58:56; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again..
1311040;1446142202;*;BingoBoingo kinda with alf in that Trilema text kinda needs compiled after reading to really be understood.
1311041;1446142207;ascii_field;before any of this, it was a 'program' for an ibm selectric
1311042;1446142210;mircea_popescu;octets ftr simply means "numbers under 256". as if.
1311043;1446142222;ascii_field;originally sextets, iirc
1311044;1446142227;ascii_field;(64 hammers)
1311045;1446142234;mircea_popescu;what, if you arbitrarily chunk content into "humbers under 256" you've now done something ?
1311046;1446142241;mircea_popescu;is 1 an octet ?
1311047;1446142256;ascii_field;nope
1311048;1446142263;ascii_field;but 000001 is.
1311049;1446142272;ascii_field;rather 00000001
1311050;1446142282;mircea_popescu;o i see. nominalism gonna save you from the buttrape ?
1311051;1446142304;mircea_popescu;"by the power invested in me i hereby call him my 00000boyfriend! all is well now!"
1311052;1446142311;ascii_field;what 'nominalism', it's a physical recipe to make the correct hammer fall
1311053;1446142322;ascii_field;because apparently it is 1948 again and we need to
1311054;1446142472;ascii_field;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/b4/1f/75b41f41ad261cb7da8cf40e749ae99c.jpg << the original octets.
1311055;1446142473;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20dFB9E )
1311056;1446142480;ascii_field;(those in question.)
1311057;1446142549;ascii_field;http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/07b_creed_444.jpg << and where to put it.
1311058;1446142550;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20dFVoZ )
1311059;1446142584;ascii_field;recall the thread about the line feed characters ?
1311060;1446142604;ascii_field;we are still emulating the vt100, which in turn emulated this simple machine, telex.
1311061;1446142609;mircea_popescu;hey, you wanted it to be 1948 again
1311062;1446142611;mircea_popescu;remember ?
1311063;1446142615;ascii_field;aha
1311064;1446142640;ascii_field;though telex existed in the 30s, there are nazi examples preserved
1311065;1446142657;ascii_field;so we can go there if we like. or to van kempelen's musical boxes if we must.
1311066;1446142686;ascii_field;1700s
1311067;1446142698;mircea_popescu;what, definition by example ?
1311068;1446142713;mircea_popescu;that's how we got in the fucking mess in the first place, if that's all you wqanna do how about we just microsoft.
1311069;1446142725;ascii_field;what would a mircea_popescu-spec definition look like ?
1311070;1446142741;mircea_popescu;dude if i knew i'd know and say something.
1311071;1446142743;ascii_field;and what better example can there be of illustration of the concept of 'program' than a music box ?
1311072;1446142753;mircea_popescu;forget illustrating
1311073;1446142757;mircea_popescu;i thought you wanted to proceed correctly.
1311074;1446142767;mircea_popescu;rather than the quick new jersey hacks
1311075;1446142773;ascii_field;what is missing ?
1311076;1446142774;mircea_popescu;provable, yes ?
1311077;1446142785;mircea_popescu;you could start with having actual definitions.
1311078;1446142799;mircea_popescu;as opposed to illustrating what you see of the world with examples.
1311079;1446142816;mircea_popescu;the problem of examples (symbols, generally, whichy is what they are) is that everyone looking at them understands their own thing.
1311080;1446142829;mircea_popescu;whichy is how "EVERYONE" loved obama in 2009 and everyone hated him in 2011.
1311081;1446142832;mircea_popescu;what, he changed ?
1311082;1446142861;ascii_field;what's wrong with, e.g., 'program' == 'sequence of symbols, each of which corresponds to one particular action'
1311083;1446142898;mircea_popescu;that then you want to exclude trilema.
1311084;1446142904;ascii_field;and yes, this is a kindergarten summary, and yes, if somebody pays for it, i can go and teach 'theory of computation' where we do 'symbol', 'language', 'formal automaton', etc. as rigorously as we want
1311085;1446142905;mircea_popescu;for starters.
1311086;1446142910;ascii_field;to rigor mortis if we like
1311087;1446142920;mircea_popescu;wait, you're going back to the old paradigms ?
1311088;1446142939;mircea_popescu;again : if you're willing to do that TO BE SAVED from adversity in the field, why even bother taking the field! just continue the paradigm.
1311089;1446142940;ascii_field;we can do any isomorphism we want - wanna do church numerals?
1311090;1446142950;ascii_field;peano arithm?
1311091;1446142952;mircea_popescu;i dunno dude. maybe we do. do you know ?
1311092;1446142975;ascii_field;depends what kind of nut we want to crack, no ?
1311093;1446143005;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem we have a good idea of that, either.
1311094;1446143012;mircea_popescu;damned thing keeps changing, we started wanting to fix bitcoin
1311095;1446143220;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1311096;1446143968;mats;http://uk.businessinsider.com/riksbank-increasing-qe-in-sweden-2015-10
1311097;1446143969;assbot;Riksbank increasing QE in Sweden - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/20dK38k )
1311098;1446144422;deedbot-;[Qntra] Judge Orders Dotcom Begin Extradition Defense Monday - http://qntra.net/2015/10/judge-orders-dotcom-begin-extradition-defense-monday/
1311099;1446145401;deedbot-;[Qntra] Game Bug Makes 12 GB RAM Required on Windows 10 - http://qntra.net/2015/10/game-bug-makes-12-gb-ram-required-on-windows-10/
1311100;1446146683;deedbot-;[Qntra] Illinois Universities Follow State in Credit Rating Freefall - http://qntra.net/2015/10/illinois-universities-follow-state-in-credit-rating-freefall/
1311101;1446148125;BingoBoingo;Fiat world is really suffering today
1311102;1446148176;jurov;BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional?
1311103;1446148352;thestringpuller;jurov: the character or the game?
1311104;1446148375;jurov;the game, so it deserves qntra mention
1311105;1446148390;thestringpuller;the game is unplayable on windows
1311106;1446148401;thestringpuller;cause it isn't optimized for PC
1311107;1446148430;jurov;if it had linux port, it could excessively swap or crash the kernel via gpu turd, too
1311108;1446148463;jurov;so you said  every failed port is now qntrable?
1311109;1446148518;thestringpuller;good point. dunno.
1311110;1446148596;jurov;and saying that vuln in truecrypt management utility makes whole thing "fatally flawed to an unusable extent" is...
1311111;1446148607;jurov;just an artistic licensa
1311112;1446148616;jurov;*licence
1311113;1446148630;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth << check it out, a wikipedia article that's not terrible.
1311114;1446148631;assbot;Monomyth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1inc1fV )
1311115;1446148640;mircea_popescu;mostly on the grounds of being 100% stolen from cambell and co, but anyway.
1311116;1446148952;jurov;if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game
1311117;1446149049;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere tho.
1311118;1446149069;jurov;guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself
1311119;1446149111;mircea_popescu;can't hurt.
1311120;1446149113;mircea_popescu;Campbell: "Atonement consists in no more than the abandonment of that self-generated double monster�the dragon thought to be God (superego) and the dragon thought to be Sin (repressed id). But this requires an abandonment of the attachment to ego itself, and that is what is difficult. One must have a faith that the father is merciful, and then a reliance on that mercy. Therewith, the center of belief is transferred o
1311121;1446149113;mircea_popescu;utside of the bedeviling god's tight scaly ring, and the dreadful ogres dissolve. It is in this ordeal that the hero may derive hope and assurance from the helpful female figure, by whose magic (pollen charms or power of intercession) he is protected through all the frightening experiences of the father's ego-shattering initiation. For if it is impossible to trust the terrifying father-face, then one's faith must be ce
1311122;1446149114;mircea_popescu;ntered elsewhere (Spider Woman, Blessed Mother); and with that reliance for support, one endures the crisis�only to find, in the end, that the father and mother reflect each other, and are in essence the same. The problem of the hero going to meet the father is to open his soul beyond terror to such a degree that he will be ripe to understand how the sickening and insane tragedies of this vast and ruthless cosmos are
1311123;1446149119;mircea_popescu; completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands�and the two are atoned."
1311124;1446149457;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1311125;1446149462;ascii_field;jurov: intel's rootkit unfortunately in no way qualifies as nyooz
1311126;1446149484;ascii_field;now, if, e.g., jurov dusted off his electron microscope & reversed the blob, ~that~ could be nyooz
1311127;1446149507;jurov;oh, i have electron microscope?
1311128;1446149513;ascii_field;supposing!
1311129;1446149563;ascii_field;the interesting bit is that the 'me' turd is not encrypted in the usual sense of the word
1311130;1446149578;ascii_field;but merely compressed - with an unknown dictionary (the latter, in mask rom)
1311131;1446149597;ascii_field;conceivably one could determine the actual instructions executed by the me coprocessor with dpa
1311132;1446149608;mircea_popescu;now that would be news.
1311133;1446149626;mircea_popescu;publish that, let me get my money's forth for all the "bulletproof" bs qntra is on.
1311134;1446149638;ascii_field;if someone pays for this to happen - it will happen. right here on my desk
1311135;1446149644;ascii_field;but it's a bit thick for 'after dinner hack.'
1311136;1446149662;jurov;!up STRML_
1311137;1446149673;jurov;how much?
1311138;1446149690;ascii_field;more than anyone wants to pay for this.
1311139;1446149715;jurov;what if S.NSA would wish to?
1311140;1446149717;ascii_field;i'd put together a formal quote if i had the least reason to think anyone seriously were asking.
1311141;1446149743;ascii_field;jurov: we're talking about 6 mo. to a year of full time wizardry.
1311142;1446149746;ascii_field;approximately.
1311143;1446149754;mircea_popescu;ascii_field what does it cost to happen iyo ?
1311144;1446149769;mircea_popescu;ah so like 50k sorta thing ?
1311145;1446149771;ascii_field;no fewer than 100k.
1311146;1446149815;mircea_popescu;6 months, tax free, self directed costs more than one year, pre tax, have to commute sort of job ?
1311147;1446149840;ascii_field;costs same.
1311148;1446149925;ascii_field;i must also point out, out of ordinary scientific integrity, that there could be no guarantee of finding buried treasure in that blob.
1311149;1446149944;ascii_field;could be that it is merely a placeholder.
1311150;1446149960;jurov;btw, sounds weird to me that no one'd pay 100k to try for such potential treasure
1311151;1446149960;mircea_popescu;obviously this is a discussion at the wrong end of "everything costs more and takes longer" type of process.
1311152;1446149961;ascii_field;or makes use of further, inner obfuscations yet unknown.
1311153;1446149997;mircea_popescu;jurov why ?
1311154;1446149998;ascii_field;it is a discussion of a very unlikely thing. i can't picture why anybody would order this.
1311155;1446150036;BingoBoingo;<jurov> BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional? << Dollars sunk into broken software.
1311156;1446150048;mircea_popescu;you are essentially going "i wonder why nobody at the all-girls catholic school is willing to have sex in exchange of footage of other girls in the shower".
1311157;1446150053;BingoBoingo;<jurov> if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game << This has to go "bigger"
1311158;1446150071;mircea_popescu;wh ythe fuck would they ?! they need to see another cunt like you need a hair in your yoghurt
1311159;1446150083;BingoBoingo;<jurov> guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself << Please do.
1311160;1446150085;ascii_field;mircea_popescu is correct
1311161;1446150121;mircea_popescu;all the derps that this'd be interesting to are essentially on the same side of the same market : wanna make money (sex) out of their "skillz" (having a cunt)
1311162;1446150156;jurov;at least china would be doing it, no?
1311163;1446150175;ascii_field;china has own r.e. folks.
1311164;1446150321;mircea_popescu;again - everyone to whom this would be useful has own re folks.
1311165;1446150338;mircea_popescu;whether they're any good or this good or good i nany sense is aside, and really not the point.
1311166;1446150358;ascii_field;aha!
1311167;1446150361;ascii_field;mircea_popescu gets it!
1311168;1446150386;ascii_field;and ~now~ possibly he also gets why i am chained to my meatwot
1311169;1446150393;ascii_field;and expect to starve when it gives out.
1311170;1446150420;mircea_popescu;fancy that i do not.
1311171;1446150427;ascii_field;you almost grasped it
1311172;1446150436;mircea_popescu;think : how come i get it ?
1311173;1446150439;ascii_field;notice that nobody who needs something expensively reversed needs strangers for anything
1311174;1446150446;ascii_field;or am i mistaken that you noticed this, earlier.
1311175;1446150450;mircea_popescu;i'm niether china nor korea nor etc.
1311176;1446150471;ascii_field;because intel squad ?
1311177;1446150478;mircea_popescu;but HOW COME ?
1311178;1446150480;ascii_field;or possibly out of general grasp of the mechanics
1311179;1446150499;mircea_popescu;see, why didn't I starve once my original meatwot gave out ?
1311180;1446150508;ascii_field;because meatwizard.
1311181;1446150511;mircea_popescu;how come i wasn't even there for that event ?
1311182;1446150530;mircea_popescu;oh i see. in a world of lizzards and wizzards, what's a girl to do!
1311183;1446150582;jurov;mircea_popescu: you have had something expensively reversed?
1311184;1446150589;mircea_popescu;on occasion.
1311185;1446150603;mircea_popescu;most recently, yesterday.
1311186;1446150605;ascii_field;but - unsurprisingly - he has his own people for this.
1311187;1446150669;ascii_field;in the same way as he has the intel dept, mircea_popescucoin squad (whoever maintains that 0.6-compat. thing), etc.
1311188;1446150674;ascii_field;this is all entirely reasonable.
1311189;1446150769;mircea_popescu;ascii_field the important thing here being that it is not even expensive. it's free. for me. which is a large part of the problem - medieval knights didn't get paid in cash nor did they pay cash for the fees.
1311190;1446150785;ascii_field;free in the way your flat is ?
1311191;1446150789;mircea_popescu;capitalism works well, but is not well suited to the tasks that feudalism requires.
1311192;1446150790;ascii_field;or didja have a gurl do it, or what.
1311193;1446150802;mircea_popescu;ascii_field it is complicated.
1311194;1446150817;ascii_field;if you ever feel like explaining, i promise to listen.
1311195;1446150836;mircea_popescu;!up hermeto
1311196;1446150882;ascii_field;in case n00bz are reading this: nobody pays 100 tonnes for a reversing gig to some unknown for the same reason all 'assassination markets' are usg hoaxes
1311197;1446150928;jurov;i never meant it that way
1311198;1446150943;ascii_field;jurov: out of curiosity, what did you have in mind ?
1311199;1446150982;jurov;i understand there must be a pool of scientists, as staff or in wot that must be reassigned to this
1311200;1446151010;jurov;which pool must first exist in some form
1311201;1446151022;mircea_popescu;not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.
1311202;1446151037;jurov;O.o
1311203;1446151041;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1311204;1446151078;jurov;why it cannot happen such that mossad goes to tel aviv university and places an order?
1311205;1446151089;ascii_field;it could
1311206;1446151093;ascii_field;but i don't work in either.
1311207;1446151119;ascii_field;nobody invited me there.
1311208;1446151123;mircea_popescu;jurov why can't it happen you go to neighbour's wife and place an order ?
1311209;1446151128;ascii_field;^
1311210;1446151136;jurov;nonsense
1311211;1446151140;mircea_popescu;why ?
1311212;1446151145;jurov;how is that comparable<
1311213;1446151170;mircea_popescu;not how this works. if you wanna call it nonsense, show where it doesn't work.
1311214;1446151177;mircea_popescu;all you need is a point.
1311215;1446151181;jurov;what you describe would be mossad going to german uni
1311216;1446151189;mircea_popescu;and how do they know this ?
1311217;1446151202;jurov;mossad has files on all the professors?
1311218;1446151208;mircea_popescu;maybe "german" is next apt building.
1311219;1446151211;mircea_popescu;so what if it does ?
1311220;1446151222;mircea_popescu;stalker has files on all the celebs, does that mean they're sexually intimate now ?
1311221;1446151250;mircea_popescu;(i suppose the deeply lame situation of secret servicemen in this regard has escape all notice prior ?)
1311222;1446151332;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1311223;1446151376;ascii_field;jurov: one of the things to understand is that a, e.g., 100k r.e. job is really a transaction in ~silence~ far more so than in the deliverable as conceived of in this hypothetical.
1311224;1446151406;ascii_field;see the old 0day market threadz, for instance.
1311225;1446151417;mircea_popescu;well no, this is not even the angle here.
1311226;1446151440;mircea_popescu;one of the major wins of /me style b-a governance is that it actually nulls THAT ENTIRE silence cost bs. it's in the logs.
1311227;1446151460;ascii_field;who the hell would pay for 100k reversing only to have the result made public ?
1311228;1446151468;mircea_popescu;(and yes, cwcd, not possible w/o bitcoin, gpg, people involved, an actual infrastructure)
1311229;1446151482;mircea_popescu;ascii_field i did not say nor was it implied that i'll make it public. merely that it is had.
1311230;1446151510;ascii_field;you did say 'nulls the entire silence cost bs' ?
1311231;1446151518;ascii_field;or am failing to grasp what this means
1311232;1446151548;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between getting to see the koh i noor and knowing lord x owns it. or, to quote popfictionikia, "Another consideration was education. Before the late 1950s and the advent of the stately home business, very few working-class people had seen the upstairs of these great houses; those that had were there only to clean and serve, with an obligation to keep their eyes down, rather than uplift them and be
1311233;1446151548;mircea_popescu;educated. "
1311234;1446151568;ascii_field;i'm not sure there ~is~ a difference re: e.g., an 0day
1311235;1446151580;ascii_field;can't prove ownership without giving it away.
1311236;1446151586;mircea_popescu;no. but in THE CASE WE'RE DISCUSSING
1311237;1446151594;ascii_field;in that case likewise.
1311238;1446151594;mircea_popescu;obviously no tool works for any purpose in any context.
1311239;1446151609;mircea_popescu;actually, the thing is more valuable once known to exist.
1311240;1446151621;jurov;i'm utterly lost on the sexual metaphor, but if mircea says no one is going to look closely to intel's silicon except under threat of death, i gotta believe him
1311241;1446151623;ascii_field;but how is it to be known to outsiders ?
1311242;1446151627;mircea_popescu;do you grasp this or want me to model it ?
1311243;1446151649;mircea_popescu;jurov i am actually saying something very much like that, yes.
1311244;1446151659;ascii_field;now i'm also lost
1311245;1446151674;mircea_popescu;ascii_field outsiders are utterly a red herring. there exist no outsiders. reddit might as well not exist and everyone else reads the logs.
1311246;1446151719;ascii_field;so idea is, mircea_popescu pays to have the koh-i-noor dug up, the fact of this matter is chronicled in the logz, and anyone who's anyone is to simply believe ?
1311247;1446151769;mircea_popescu;let me model it for you then.
1311248;1446151786;*;ascii_field stands up ears
1311249;1446151796;mircea_popescu;situation a) item is shown theoretically to possibly exist ; situation b) item is alleged to physically exist in vaults of lord X.
1311250;1446151838;mircea_popescu;in situation a, the value of item is to be calculated theoretically ; in situation b, the value of the item is "a little less than it costs me to get one myself". and it is VERY practical. because yes, you MUST keep up with the Xs.
1311251;1446151856;mircea_popescu;and so therefore, going from a to b actually increases the market value of item. through a process known as "creating a market".
1311252;1446151875;mircea_popescu;the equivalent approach is to say item acquired a new property in going from a to b. in both it's the same thing, but in b it is also an exclusive good
1311253;1446151883;mircea_popescu;whereas nobody can exclude another from possession of a theoretical item.
1311254;1446151890;mircea_popescu;and that extra property means extra moneys.
1311255;1446151937;BingoBoingo;* ascii_field stands up ears << /me imagines https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d8/ab/16/d8ab1625fc56226793fe649e7f1b2177.jpg
1311256;1446151938;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0aMM3 )
1311257;1446151940;mircea_popescu;and now with exaples : aluminum is a theoretical metal.
1311258;1446151949;mircea_popescu;the first box, gifted to napoleon, has no value (!= is worthless)
1311259;1446151960;mircea_popescu;the NEXT box has a price. would napoleon have paid that for his box ? never.
1311260;1446152023;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: didja ever see the teaspoons ?
1311261;1446152033;ascii_field;or the little Al pyramid on washington's monument?
1311262;1446152051;mircea_popescu;neither.
1311263;1446152089;ascii_field;same idea though.
1311264;1446152128;mircea_popescu;aha.
1311265;1446152180;ascii_field;BingoBoingo: more of http://www.brockettsfilmfauna.com/images/Mammals-Birds/SIBERIAN%20LYNX%20HEAD%20SHOT.jpg
1311266;1446152182;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0b6uh )
1311267;1446152257;BingoBoingo;ascii_field: Aha
1311268;1446152277;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: back to the conundrum, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311225
1311269;1446152277;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 20:43:37; mircea_popescu: well no, this is not even the angle here.
1311270;1446152281;ascii_field;what ~was~ the angle ?
1311271;1446152319;ascii_field;also would like to understand http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311201
1311272;1446152319;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 20:37:02; mircea_popescu: not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.
1311273;1446152371;mircea_popescu;the angle here is that 6 months is a waste of time/resources in the present configuration to go chase that thing. pure scheduling matter, yes, it's valuable, no we can't fill the larder with brontosaurus.
1311274;1446152394;ascii_field;this - yes.
1311275;1446152403;mircea_popescu;and im not sure what's to be explained of the latter.
1311276;1446152499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11680 @ 0.00054248 = 6.3362 BTC [-]
1311277;1446152682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14210 @ 0.00054724 = 7.7763 BTC [+] {2} 
1311278;1446152843;mircea_popescu;!up WHY
1311279;1446153097;thestringpuller;Blythe Masters and The Fiat Puppets acquire blockchain SDK company: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3qpesp/blythe_masters_digital_asset_holdings_acquires/
1311280;1446153128;*;mircea_popescu tries to recall what a Blythe Masters is
1311281;1446153150;mircea_popescu;o wait, the dude that failed to get tenure at j p morgan university ?
1311282;1446153162;ascii_field;chick
1311283;1446153166;thestringpuller;this chick who claims invented CDO's
1311284;1446153170;thestringpuller;to have invented*
1311285;1446153183;mircea_popescu;i thought the winkletoss twins invented cdos
1311286;1446153187;thestringpuller;me too
1311287;1446153187;mircea_popescu;you sure she didn't invent facebook ?
1311288;1446153200;thestringpuller;i guess I'm confused
1311289;1446153273;mircea_popescu;yeah, plox to not insult the derps. gotta reference them correctly, whenever it's one of those idiots it should be "Blythe Masters, who claims to have invented Facebook", or "Erin Twinkletoss, who claims to have invented CDOs" etc.
1311290;1446153280;mircea_popescu;gotta give the public context for the news!
1311291;1446153324;mircea_popescu;it was erin was it ? or taylor ? what was the guy's name ?
1311292;1446153330;mircea_popescu;or wait. is this also a she ?
1311293;1446153357;thestringpuller;Cameron and Tyler
1311294;1446153360;mircea_popescu;apparently it's tyler.
1311295;1446153362;mircea_popescu;aha.
1311296;1446153381;mircea_popescu;did the cameron one get a sex change ? or is that the wachowski
1311297;1446153399;thestringpuller;that's wachowski
1311298;1446153406;thestringpuller;larry wachowski is now lana wachowski
1311299;1446153417;thestringpuller;;;google lana wachowski
1311300;1446153418;gribble;Lana Wachowski - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0905154/>; The Wachowskis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wachowskis>; Lana Wachowski Reveals Suicide Plan, Painful Past in Emotional ...: <http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lana-wachowski-reveals-suicide-plan-382169>
1311301;1446153422;mircea_popescu;well... zhe still has time.
1311302;1446153427;mircea_popescu;cameron makes a great girl name.
1311303;1446153456;mircea_popescu;could marry cameron diaz, they could go to conferences as cameron & cameron diaz-tinkletoss
1311304;1446153511;thestringpuller;you're on a roll now!
1311305;1446153519;BingoBoingo;In other news: http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/gail-pennington/archdiocese-warns-of-dangers-in-exorcism-live/article_f0ddc4d9-2b2d-5f5e-83c6-cdcdce29b5ae.html
1311306;1446153520;assbot;Archdiocese warns of dangers in 'Exorcism: Live!' : Entertainment ... ( http://bit.ly/20e7Bdg )
1311307;1446153537;mircea_popescu;do you rthink they got paid for that ?
1311308;1446153561;BingoBoingo;mebbe?
1311309;1446153564;mircea_popescu;"10 year study of inpatient kids: 44% got antipsychotics.  Is that a lot?  Yes.  It's a lot."
1311310;1446153572;mircea_popescu;hot damned ?! seriously ? almost half ?!
1311311;1446153581;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1311312;1446153611;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: what self-respecting психушка serves up something other than neuroleptic ?
1311313;1446153629;mircea_popescu;You can wrack your brain trying to figure this out or blame the usual suspects, but the answer is right there in the article:
1311314;1446153629;mircea_popescu;"Variables associated with antipsychotic use [included] male gender, age 12 years and under, being nonwhite, and a length of stay 13 days or longer."
1311315;1446153629;mircea_popescu;You'll observe that none of those words is "diagnosis" or "severity."
1311316;1446153629;mircea_popescu;The cause of these high levels of medications is so simple you'll recoil from the truth of it, but pour yourself a drink and take it like a man: the kids showed up.  That's it.  The kid is in front of you and you have to do something, now, that results in an acute change. Not better grades 4 years out, or less sadness over the teen years; change the sleep tonight, make the kid less hyper now, and when it "stops working
1311317;1446153633;mircea_popescu;" you can up the dose or change the med.
1311318;1446153637;mircea_popescu;ascii_field seems it's not even it.
1311319;1446153684;ascii_field;nobody canceled the good ol' chemical straightjacket
1311320;1446153763;mircea_popescu;"When a kid is presented to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist is pressured, obligated, to do something pharmacological.  If a psychiatrist looked a single parent a joint away from a nap right in the eye and said, "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" that doctor will get his head handed to him by parent or by lawyer.  Justice will be done, you negligent elitist."
1311321;1446153774;mircea_popescu;i wonder how much of this is jenuine and how much mere malingering.
1311322;1446153811;mircea_popescu;obviously i have no us clinical experience. i also have an apparent inability to represent how this'd work. seriously, doctor says "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" and the parent argues the point ? with the doctor ? just.... how ?
1311323;1446153822;ascii_field;say a fella at butugychag stuffs his boot full of ammonal and blows off his toes, to avoid work detail in the quarry
1311324;1446153828;ascii_field;is that 'real' or malingering ..?
1311325;1446153848;mircea_popescu;but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it"
1311326;1446153850;mircea_popescu;rrrrrheally ?!?!
1311327;1446153866;ascii_field;but he's not mengele. he's an assistant.
1311328;1446153872;mircea_popescu;no, he's mengele.
1311329;1446153898;ascii_field;'inject this blue paint in the eyes of this here 100 prisoners before you clock out'
1311330;1446153902;mircea_popescu;i have no objection to anyone who ever prescribed neuroleptics in virgins to be taken straight off to death row.
1311331;1446153928;ascii_field;they do 5 y.o. and possibly below,  now
1311332;1446153940;ascii_field;in fact i'm pretty certain that it is happening as we speak a floor or so below where i sit
1311333;1446153945;mircea_popescu;should be part of the test. no sexual history, no meds.
1311334;1446154004;ascii_field;tlp's point, i think, was precisely that he isn't mengele and if he won't vivisect the screaming prisoner, he'll take his place
1311335;1446154007;ascii_field;and somebody else - will.
1311336;1446154021;mircea_popescu;the mengele who knows he's doing wrong anf the mengele who "doesn't" are both mengele.
1311337;1446154044;mircea_popescu;there is no "resistance through culture", you don't get to tell me "hey i knew all along X was a scam, i just promoted it ironically"
1311338;1446154071;ascii_field;yes, 'following orders' defense failed at nuremberg
1311339;1446154078;ascii_field;but on the other hand, they didn't hang all of germany
1311340;1446154099;mircea_popescu;well most of it was dead. they however, you will note, RAPED THE REMAINDER.
1311341;1446154105;mircea_popescu;for a good few years.
1311342;1446154105;ascii_field;aha.
1311343;1446154119;mircea_popescu;this is how education works, in cunts.
1311344;1446154130;mircea_popescu;the sort that go "oh wait, i was just ... being a woman"
1311345;1446154146;mircea_popescu;fine, be a woman over there then.
1311346;1446154200;ascii_field;point in making the distinction was to divide whom it makes sense to feed to giant squid, and whom - to 'reflash firmware'
1311347;1446154246;ascii_field;this also calls to mind mircea_popescu's article about the fat train riders
1311348;1446154258;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1311349;1446154278;ascii_field;becoming mengele's assistant, or tlp, or me - is a product of a long series of 'bad life choices'
1311350;1446154298;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be.
1311351;1446154299;ascii_field;none of which, taken individually, are necessarily '~the~ losing move'
1311352;1446154309;ascii_field;just as no individual 'big mac' made the fat fella what he is
1311353;1446154320;mircea_popescu;word.
1311354;1446154331;mircea_popescu;"so then... big macs are bad but hey i gotta eat and this one is not that bad right ?" sure.
1311355;1446154394;ascii_field;as, i think, was discussed in old thread,
1311356;1446154414;ascii_field;a great many folks in this jail have literally no choice but to eat 'big mac' or die.
1311357;1446154436;mircea_popescu;life's worthless in and of itself.
1311358;1446154437;ascii_field;(it does not follow that they must eat 5,000 cal/day of them)
1311359;1446154442;mircea_popescu;if that's the choice, waht choice is there ?
1311360;1446154460;ascii_field;sorta what i tried to explain to pete_dushenski earlier today.
1311361;1446154526;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it" << "Standard of care"
1311362;1446154573;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/map%20of%20psychiatry%20today.jpg << interesting worldmap
1311363;1446154575;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20ea1ss )
1311364;1446154601;BingoBoingo;So what if the kids end up fucked in adulthood by a couple months or years of neuroleptic induced hyper-prolactinemia, telling the parents they suck would make the doctor the "uncaring monster" to the rest of the system
1311365;1446154613;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no. standard of care is specificallty made to resist this, by the few people that are old enough to not want to soon have to explain it. the standard is "as practiced by reasonable minority"
1311366;1446154649;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aha. You assume this is a medical system and not a medium of social control.
1311367;1446154653;ascii_field;actually in usa 'standard of care' is now this.
1311368;1446154665;mircea_popescu;ascii_field obviously, as the people in question die.
1311369;1446154680;BingoBoingo;Dead, retired, gone
1311370;1446154698;ascii_field;has mircea_popescu ever read the memoir of general piotr grigorenko ?
1311371;1446154702;BingoBoingo;Or ridden out on the rail by crowds
1311372;1446154717;mircea_popescu;have not.
1311373;1446154729;ascii_field;mircea_popescu:  prolly highest ranking псиxушка victim.
1311374;1446154753;mircea_popescu;ah aha
1311375;1446154764;ascii_field;'В подполье можно встретить только крыс' << mega-b00k. 'in the underground one meets only rats.'
1311376;1446154772;ascii_field;http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/grigorenko/index.html
1311377;1446154773;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1RCWq7O )
1311378;1446154780;mircea_popescu;o look, online.
1311379;1446154785;ascii_field;because ru!
1311380;1446154808;ascii_field;aaaaanyway he describes his whole life, but i note him here for featuring the 'sane old generation' of shrinks who did not go along.
1311381;1446154813;ascii_field;and because of whom he remained alive.
1311382;1446154821;ascii_field;and in reasonable possession of most of his wits.
1311383;1446154862;thestringpuller;http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=31&art_id=162657&sid=45464435&con_type=3 << hey kidnpping for bitcoin. this channel is good at predicting da-future
1311384;1446154902;phf;conversation keeps arriving to the same point that the solution to local maximum is death. tlp makes those conclusions in "how to not be a narcissist", but then fails to see how it applies to himself with his own mengel situation. or to quote orr from catch-22 "How can he see he's got flies in his eyes if he's got flies in his eyes?"
1311385;1446154926;mircea_popescu;i am kinda expecting to see "behavioural doping" or somesuch. if industrial pollutant is so cheap/abundant it actually creates an ecological problem, it is obviously only a matter of time before the large amts of discrete data (google db, cctv db, etc) are meshed together with substance dictionary to create optimized diets for advertising.
1311386;1446154940;mircea_popescu;"we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"
1311387;1446154950;ascii_field;phf: i'd not be surprised if he 'solved' himself already.
1311388;1446154973;mircea_popescu;phf "death". http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311123 and prev.
1311389;1446154973;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 20:05:19; mircea_popescu:  completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands�and the two are atoned."
1311390;1446155067;mircea_popescu;this is principally why women [used to] have an advantage over men. they actually experienced socially mandated death, to their benefit. it was the system which produced usable old bitties of the sort that kept say the jews alive.
1311391;1446155112;mircea_popescu;kinda what the eleusine mysteries for instance tried to provide as a public good.
1311392;1446155131;mircea_popescu;why  the church ever caught on in god forsaken wastes such as those inhabited by the ru speaking folk. etc.
1311393;1446155181;mircea_popescu;(yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)
1311394;1446155320;ascii_field;laas ?
1311395;1446155365;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311386 << this is sop! since, idk, 1950s ?!
1311396;1446155365;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 21:42:20; mircea_popescu: "we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"
1311397;1446155379;ascii_field;ever smell a new high-end laptop ?
1311398;1446155409;pete_dushenski;smells like car ?
1311399;1446155415;ascii_field;nope
1311400;1446155444;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1311401;1446155446;ascii_field;(assuming pete_dushenski is thinking of the usual formaldehyde 'smell of new car')
1311402;1446155473;pete_dushenski;general plastic voc off-gassing
1311403;1446155481;ascii_field;then no.
1311404;1446155491;ascii_field;specially-made perfumes.
1311405;1446155504;ascii_field;not so much in fashion now as before
1311406;1446155510;ascii_field;(sony was a frequent offender)
1311407;1446155542;pete_dushenski;it's a testament to their branding efforts that sony electronics make me think only of recent james bond movies
1311408;1446155552;pete_dushenski;when's the last time you say a sony laptop irl ?
1311409;1446155554;*;ascii_field did not see these
1311410;1446155561;ascii_field;pete_dushenski: when i was cleaning my shed.
1311411;1446155568;ascii_field;'vaio' circa 1998.
1311412;1446155575;ascii_field;or rather the pieces of six or so of'em
1311413;1446155575;pete_dushenski;aha. and in wild ?
1311414;1446155583;ascii_field;in the wild - can't recall.
1311415;1446155586;ascii_field;long ago.
1311416;1446155611;*;pete_dushenski remembers that vintage of vaio for being incredibly spendy
1311417;1446155617;pete_dushenski;and sleek !
1311418;1446155631;ascii_field;l0l you actually bought'em new ?~!
1311419;1446155646;ascii_field;but yeah, the ones with the blue battery
1311420;1446155728;pete_dushenski;never bought. too young. and out of my price range.
1311421;1446155740;pete_dushenski;admired the design ? and specs ? yes.
1311422;1446155807;phf;vaio was the last laptop you could jack into cyberspace with
1311423;1446155808;pete_dushenski;this was when pentium badly outperformed ppc. intel easily had +30% clock speed.
1311424;1446155810;ascii_field;https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qJiI0Wk63-Pgu6gUocN1PZbJFA0=/1020x0/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2818214/03_pcg505.1391682320.jpg << it
1311425;1446155811;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/20ecOls )
1311426;1446155850;ascii_field;i still miss these things.
1311427;1446155858;ascii_field;believe or not, linux WORKED !!
1311428;1446155865;ascii_field;yes, with lid suspend mode!
1311429;1446155870;ascii_field;and sound card. etc.
1311430;1446155877;phf;i had a picturebook, one of the c1 models
1311431;1446155878;ascii_field;and FUCKING LINUX not ubuntu.
1311432;1446155930;ascii_field;http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385716/sony-vaio-iconic-pcs-photo-essay << historical interest re: the series
1311433;1446155932;assbot;A look back at Sony's iconic VAIO computers | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/20ed3gt )
1311434;1446155951;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310777 << i probably have the fewest displays in b-a huh
1311435;1446155951;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 14:03:07; asciilifeform: this means a ROOM full of displays if you can swing it
1311436;1446156009;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310786 << he, like you, propose that they are not "true"
1311437;1446156009;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 14:08:24; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310745 << i read this piece but do not grasp how it relates to my position on *leaks
1311438;1446156015;mircea_popescu;in the efficacious sense of truth.
1311439;1446156432;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310831 << this is very amusing specifically because of the relation to eulora and its bots.
1311440;1446156432;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 16:44:39; davout: "In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market.  They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"
1311441;1446156486;mircea_popescu;!up Namworld
1311442;1446156541;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 << lolwut ?
1311443;1446156541;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
1311444;1446156542;Namworld;Ah, didn't even have to auth
1311445;1446156561;Namworld;I got an email. I get it the game development has progressed
1311446;1446156570;mircea_popescu;the proof that reddit is not the problem, i guess. random reddit nobody knows about waiting in the wings, to maybe one day be the reddit derps know about.
1311447;1446156587;mircea_popescu;Namworld how's life been treatin ya ?
1311448;1446156623;Namworld;Coinroll hasn't seen as much development as I would have liked, but jurov and wao are now on it.
1311449;1446156635;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310848 << more like "state promised us that if we smoke the pipe all will be fine. well... pipe is going out and what is this!11"
1311450;1446156635;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:20; davout: which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"
1311451;1446156637;Namworld;Otherwise, relatively well.
1311452;1446156643;mircea_popescu;cool.
1311453;1446156801;Namworld;I don't mind testing the game whenever I have some free time.
1311454;1446156936;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ... << more like "state promised us that if we smoke the pipe all will be fine. well... pipe is going out and what is this!11" << I refer to this phenomena as Shrem's Bong
1311455;1446156956;pete_dushenski;lel
1311456;1446157276;Namworld;jurov, you never talked much about this
1311457;1446157533;pete_dushenski;;;nethash
1311458;1446157534;gribble;457174667.081
1311459;1446157546;mircea_popescu;Namworld well, install it, ima make you an account then.
1311460;1446157671;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310853 << you don't understand how for great justice works. they have to be supporting cast in his movie because otherwise it's microracist.
1311461;1446157671;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:06:26; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310847 <<< because obviously the team will happily be my personal army and not simply take my gf and point at me laughing
1311462;1446157684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42650 @ 0.00054236 = 23.1317 BTC [-] {2} 
1311463;1446157823;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310863 << strange that this should be possible.
1311464;1446157823;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:09:03; ascii_field: roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.
1311465;1446157869;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310874 << word.
1311466;1446157869;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:01; pete_dushenski: there can be no stable hierarchy. anywhere.
1311467;1446157875;mircea_popescu;stable hierarchy is for horses.
1311468;1446157923;pete_dushenski;'never step into the same river twice' (tm)
1311469;1446157934;pete_dushenski;'unless you're a horse' (tm)
1311470;1446157959;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310877 << eventually i'ma die, and that'll be that.
1311471;1446157959;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:50; ascii_field: idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable
1311472;1446158112;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310888 << let me explain something to you. slave had some old bitties over for coffee, recounted the story to me. they wanted to know if she's married or has a man. she said no. i suggested she should have said he died in the war. "what war ?" "you know, the war". and then we joked about how it'd play from there, and eventually it came to me the thing to say to prevent fu
1311473;1446158112;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:17:00; ascii_field: is that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL
1311474;1446158112;mircea_popescu;rther unwated inquiry is, of course, "that;s inappropriate". except... how do you say this in spanish.
1311475;1446158131;mircea_popescu;answer : you do not. which takes us right to the reason most people do not learn a foreign language, or enjoy interacting with people whose language they do not speak.
1311476;1446158175;mircea_popescu;as far as average person is concerned, their safety from being, eg, raped, is built entirely out of their belief in the magical power of a construct like that. it is not meaningful, but magical, in that it projects will and controls "the universe".
1311477;1446158198;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as there's no spanish equivalent, what's to keep some dudes from busting into your house and taking all your holes on the kitchen table ?
1311478;1446158222;mircea_popescu;same thing that prevents them anywhere else, obviously. but the subconscious does not really comprehend locks, or rifles, or anything so complex it needs a factory.
1311479;1446158233;Namworld;okay...
1311480;1446158240;Namworld;It looks like it starts
1311481;1446158243;mircea_popescu;it does however understand magic. especially because magic specifically exists as a result of the subconscious' poor grasp of everything.
1311482;1446158248;mircea_popescu;Namworld ok 1 sec
1311483;1446158407;mircea_popescu;Namworld http://dpaste.com/0T03XD6
1311484;1446158408;assbot;dpaste: 0T03XD6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNzank )
1311485;1446158523;mircea_popescu;but other than this, to continue the prev thread, no, you do not have control, in the sense that there isn't a magical write-protect bit you set or unset at your will and unless you've unset it nothing can ever affect you.
1311486;1446158566;mircea_popescu;it's often seen as a problem in idiots who imagien they can keep bitcoin at bay by saying (in some magical correct form, i guess) that "i do not agree" or "i am not inviting this devil in my house" or whatever. "that is not how debates work", what have you.
1311487;1446158622;diana_coman;I'd have though it was much simpler than that mircea_popescu: most people don't like learning.
1311488;1446158631;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310905 <<< in that it's called marriage.
1311489;1446158631;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:19:56; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?
1311490;1446158646;mircea_popescu;diana_coman but why wouldn't they ? children love it.
1311491;1446158666;pete_dushenski;even the established ~concept~ of regicide demonstrates the limited nature of 'control'
1311492;1446158675;diana_coman;because they already have automated patterns ("learnt") on which they can operate in familiar situations
1311493;1446158682;diana_coman;hence they don't like the unfamiliar, full stop
1311494;1446158692;diana_coman;children basically have nothing
1311495;1446158698;diana_coman;so yes, they love learning, of course
1311496;1446158699;mircea_popescu;diana_coman quite exactly. "this wand doesn't even vibrate, what use is it!"
1311497;1446158745;mircea_popescu;"well... it's not a vibrating wand, it's a firebolt wand" "CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT!"
1311498;1446158762;mircea_popescu;next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.
1311499;1446158789;diana_coman;well, come to think about it: children ask "what is that?" all the time and guess what do they get mainly as answer
1311500;1446158806;diana_coman;an explanation or experience of what the damned thing IS
1311501;1446158807;diana_coman;OR
1311502;1446158810;diana_coman;the name of it
1311503;1446158810;diana_coman;?
1311504;1446158817;mircea_popescu;the name of it thing is correct however.
1311505;1446158826;diana_coman;it is correct but not really sufficient
1311506;1446158834;mircea_popescu;if it is not sufficient child will ask again
1311507;1446158843;mircea_popescu;they ask how babies are made, do they get a story or a demonstration ?
1311508;1446158847;mircea_popescu;"oh but story is not sufficient"
1311509;1446158849;diana_coman;well, no, not really, listen
1311510;1446158851;mircea_popescu;well... for now it'd better be
1311511;1446158856;diana_coman;they ask what is that and what is the other
1311512;1446158863;diana_coman;and every time they get...a name
1311513;1446158871;diana_coman;so they will logically derive at the same time
1311514;1446158877;diana_coman;that the name is what things are
1311515;1446158882;diana_coman;if it's not called a tree
1311516;1446158885;diana_coman;it's not a tree anymore!
1311517;1446158889;diana_coman;your problem above
1311518;1446158893;mircea_popescu;do you trick your kid any ?
1311519;1446158897;diana_coman;yes
1311520;1446158906;diana_coman;it's fun anyway :D
1311521;1446158907;mircea_popescu;well, that takes care of that. but otherwise, yeah.
1311522;1446158999;Namworld;ok, voicing myself
1311523;1446159011;Namworld;I could see accidents happen with those 2 features combined
1311524;1446159026;mircea_popescu;which ?
1311525;1446159437;Namworld;[18:46] <+mircea_popescu> next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.
1311526;1446159466;mircea_popescu;lol. nah, it'll just create a market for carpal tunnel potions.
1311527;1446159468;mircea_popescu;win-win
1311528;1446159562;Namworld;I meant a different kind of accident, but sure
1311529;1446159594;mircea_popescu;iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs
1311530;1446159644;Namworld;Hmm, maybe I'm too stupid to enter a password... but this doesn't seem to work.
1311531;1446159667;Namworld;I tried both email and username with that password
1311532;1446159675;shinohai;!s "revolutionary laser shaver"
1311533;1446159676;assbot;0 results for '"revolutionary laser shaver"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22revolutionary+laser+shaver%22
1311534;1446159725;mircea_popescu;Namworld lemme see 1sec
1311535;1446159740;hanbot;Namworld btw check out #eulora
1311536;1446159880;pete_dushenski;!s kickstarter
1311537;1446159881;assbot;246 results for 'kickstarter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kickstarter
1311538;1446159888;pete_dushenski;^lazr was on there
1311539;1446160377;pete_dushenski;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311393 << as in the sung notes ?
1311540;1446160377;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 21:46:21; mircea_popescu: (yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)
1311541;1446160427;mircea_popescu;literacy as a service / baptism as a service
1311542;1446160517;shinohai;thx pete_dushenski .... might buy a few hundred, duct tape them together and melt the white house
1311543;1446160546;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu aha.
1311544;1446160565;pete_dushenski;shinohai if you could buy them, sure
1311545;1446161351;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311529 << by all indications, it was ~actually~ with a red-hot nichrome wire.
1311546;1446161351;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 22:59:54; mircea_popescu: iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs
1311547;1446161370;asciilifeform;but he decided, for some chumpatronic reason, to pretend that it is a 'leaking fiber'
1311548;1446161387;asciilifeform;and it wasn't beard, but the hair on his arm.
1311549;1446161396;asciilifeform;(his beard remained attached)
1311550;1446161427;asciilifeform;eventually the thing earned the rare distinction of being a sufficiently outrageous fraud to be... booted off 'kickstarter.'
1311551;1446161473;mircea_popescu;vaguely reminds me of the dude nubbins prosecuted, with the "hand made" laser etched wood clunks
1311552;1446161491;asciilifeform;wood collector !
1311553;1446161492;asciilifeform;l0l
1311554;1446161504;asciilifeform;was kinda the opposite
1311555;1446161515;vulpes_a_hopital;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310818 << if you've swallowed the spittoon of east coast usthink, the alternative could only be "private school", which yes—"if you have to ask" is "expensive"
1311556;1446161515;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 16:25:51; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310803 << last i heard, this costs money.
1311557;1446161537;asciilifeform;vulpes_a_hopital: the alternative is either 'home school' or be an outlaw
1311558;1446161548;vulpes_a_hopital;otherwise, the kids have a mother, and if she can't outperform the daycare you dun fukked up.
1311559;1446161549;asciilifeform;and keep the spawn in your cellar
1311560;1446161555;vulpes_a_hopital;what outlaw.
1311561;1446161570;asciilifeform;(if anyone notices you have them, and they aren't taking the usg exams, you will have problems)
1311562;1446161582;vulpes_a_hopital;there are seven year olds wandering my neighborhood at all hours of the day. unattended.
1311563;1446161640;asciilifeform;try 14 y.o.
1311564;1446161649;asciilifeform;where i live, there are even vans, marked 'truancy police'
1311565;1446161677;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/DC_Police_Truancy_and_Curfew_enforcement_vehicle.jpg
1311566;1446161678;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3XtOg )
1311567;1446161740;asciilifeform;of course, vulpes_a_hopital could paint his son brown and make sure he learns correct sp pronounciation - then he will be left alone.
1311568;1446161824;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah truancy police omfg
1311569;1446161829;asciilifeform;aha
1311570;1446161829;mircea_popescu;and the kids don't burn them up ?
1311571;1446161842;asciilifeform;how would i know, i don't drive one of these things
1311572;1446161850;shinohai;In popular culture, known as "Paddy Wagons"
1311573;1446161853;asciilifeform;but i've seen it at work
1311574;1446161867;mircea_popescu;it is inconceivable that they exist.
1311575;1446161876;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'paddy wagon' refers to all policewagen as a class
1311576;1446161882;mircea_popescu;if i had kids there and they wanted money i would go "you can't have a penny until all those atrocities have been burned down"
1311577;1446161883;asciilifeform;'black maria' to brits
1311578;1446161901;asciilifeform;black raven, in sov world
1311579;1446161908;asciilifeform;but in usa - white!
1311580;1446161913;asciilifeform;pr0gr3ss!!111.
1311581;1446161918;shinohai;In Southern culture they use the term to exclusively refer to vans that haul off truants ....
1311582;1446161951;shinohai;At least in Atlanta
1311583;1446161966;mircea_popescu;"Scholars have questioned the validity or usefulness of the monomyth category.
1311584;1446161967;mircea_popescu;According to Northup (2006), mainstream scholarship of comparative mythology since Campbell has moved away from "highly general and universal" categories in general.[13] This attitude is illustrated by e.g. Consentino (1998), who remarks "It is just as important to stress differences as similarities, to avoid creating a (Joseph) Campbell soup of myths that loses all local flavor."[14] Similarly, Ellwood (1999) stated "
1311585;1446161967;mircea_popescu;A tendency to think in generic terms of people, races ... is undoubtedly the profoundest flaw in mythological thinking.""
1311586;1446161974;mircea_popescu;anyone wants to know what happens if one dares END a field ?
1311587;1446161992;asciilifeform;at any rate, in practice the thing never shows up unless there's a gang of chimps making a public mess.
1311588;1446161995;mircea_popescu;answer : a bunch of ustards will swoop in, pretending the field didn't end and insisting field enders are badmkay and raceys on top of everything
1311589;1446162004;mircea_popescu;"This model has very poor grantmanship value"
1311590;1446162040;mircea_popescu;"Others have found the categories Campbell works with so vague as to be meaningless, and lacking the support required of scholarly argument: Crespi (1990), writing in response to Campbell's filmed presentation of his model characterized it as "...unsatisfying from a social science perspective."
1311591;1446162056;mircea_popescu;there's a "social sciences perspective" now, and i'm supposed to believe it is != granstmanship.
1311592;1446162100;asciilifeform;pet: 'like many systematicists, campbell overstates the universality of his patterns'
1311593;1446162136;mircea_popescu;funny, that objection is in the wikipedia verbatim
1311594;1446162160;asciilifeform;srsly?
1311595;1446162178;mircea_popescu; editor Alan Dundes dismisses Campbell's work, characterizing him as a popularizer: "like most universalists, he is content to merely assert universality rather than bother to document it. [�] If Campbell's generalizations about myth are not substantiated, why should students consider his work?"
1311596;1446162230;mircea_popescu;not unlike the ridiculous view of field grunts that hey, they know better than the chief of staff what's what, antin-intellectual "social scientists" a la dundes would like best an unsystematic AND UNSYSTEMATIZABLE "science"
1311597;1446162247;vulpes_a_hopital;lol dafuq indeed
1311598;1446162251;asciilifeform;pet: 'he's a popularizer, but not an especially good one, vs. an expert - would you call carl sagan or r. dawkins experts?'
1311599;1446162252;mircea_popescu;because - obviously - it pays the best. from the perspective of the horde of chimps wishing to be professors of nothing in particular just as long as professors.
1311600;1446162260;vulpes_a_hopital;cop stopped me and three friends skating in a church on a day off from school
1311601;1446162264;vulpes_a_hopital;"what are you doing?"
1311602;1446162266;vulpes_a_hopital;"skating!"
1311603;1446162275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pet could just come over argue her stuff herself!
1311604;1446162277;vulpes_a_hopital;"shouldn't you be in school?"
1311605;1446162281;vulpes_a_hopital;"uh, no?"
1311606;1446162286;vulpes_a_hopital;"well okay then."
1311607;1446162294;mircea_popescu;lol
1311608;1446162299;vulpes_a_hopital;and re problems in your world people can have problems for using linux
1311609;1446162302;vulpes_a_hopital;get /out/, man
1311610;1446162304;mircea_popescu;this is whyte priviledge
1311611;1446162308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pet: 'i dontwanna, busy reading about alexander hamilton'
1311612;1446162321;mircea_popescu;kaythen
1311613;1446162321;*;pete_dushenski lives quite close to 'whyte ave'
1311614;1446162368;vulpes_a_hopital;asciilifeform: this might trip a bit or two for you
1311615;1446162372;pete_dushenski;http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g154914-d156146-Reviews-Whyte_Avenue-Edmonton_Alberta.html << real place !
1311616;1446162373;assbot;Whyte Avenue (Edmonton, Alberta): Address, Point of Interest & Landmark Reviews - TripAdvisor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXThfa )
1311617;1446162378;vulpes_a_hopital;there is a skate park cum day care in my neighborhood
1311618;1446162398;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital there's a bar cum laundromat somewhere in ohio
1311619;1446162399;vulpes_a_hopital;no kid under 19 with a skateboard within twenty blocks of the thing is ever EVER bothered by the cops
1311620;1446162410;vulpes_a_hopital;mircea_popescu: yeah we have one too
1311621;1446162410;asciilifeform;'used book & food shop'
1311622;1446162432;mircea_popescu;ok, let me try and win this.
1311623;1446162452;mircea_popescu;there is, in this town, a place where they sell food by the pound. and you can get a pound of cooked shrimp for ~2 dollars.
1311624;1446162454;vulpes_a_hopital;great pickup spot if you like socializing with people who a) do their own laundry and b) have it done somewhere far away from their place
1311625;1446162572;vulpes_a_hopital;why would you eat $2/lb cooked langostinas
1311626;1446162610;vulpes_a_hopital;sounds like a cheap ticket to food poisoning
1311627;1446162673;mircea_popescu;better than anything they got in wash dc!
1311628;1446162711;vulpes_a_hopital;pretty low bar.
1311629;1446162771;mircea_popescu;ok. there's a gym - and - peluqueria combo.
1311630;1446162834;vulpes_a_hopital;a but harnessing customers output to reduce the electrical bill has gotta be beyond any argentine
1311631;1446162852;mircea_popescu;https://web.archive.org/web/20150319183556/http://partialobjects.com/2011/06/staggering-thought-of-the-day/ nb.
1311632;1446162854;assbot;Staggering Thought of The Day | Partial Objects ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUgfv )
1311633;1446162874;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital it'd be so great tho, Cuckolds' Gym and Hair Salon.
1311634;1446162893;mircea_popescu;only accept couples, make the dudes work butt off on stationary to power wifey hair dryer.
1311635;1446162897;vulpes_a_hopital;ahahaha
1311636;1446162906;*;vulpes_a_hopital tips hat
1311637;1446162988;pete_dushenski;power hair dryer + tv + smartph0ne charger
1311638;1446163006;mircea_popescu;make a uniform for working out, too
1311639;1446163011;mircea_popescu;something demeaning, maybe a la borat.
1311640;1446163033;pete_dushenski;borat over-the-shouler g-string in prison black and white stripes
1311641;1446163054;pete_dushenski;complete with prisoner number over breast
1311642;1446163055;mircea_popescu;a choice of either that or the same in hot pink, or rainbow.
1311643;1446163073;mircea_popescu;ironically, this would prolly be a killer business in portland.
1311644;1446163076;pete_dushenski;with built-in anal dildo
1311645;1446163080;mircea_popescu;nah.
1311646;1446163082;vulpes_a_hopital;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ
1311647;1446163083;assbot;Olympic Cyclist Vs. Toaster: Can He Power It? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUIdN )
1311648;1446163100;mircea_popescu;vulpes_a_hopital do what the usg does : differential leverage.
1311649;1446163101;vulpes_a_hopital;for perspective.
1311650;1446163102;pete_dushenski;dildo makes costume too much fun ?
1311651;1446163113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19151 @ 0.00055197 = 10.5708 BTC [+] {2} 
1311652;1446163113;vulpes_a_hopital;differential leverage?
1311653;1446163119;mircea_popescu;ie, he has to provide 3% of the wattage, "we'll match your output 30:1!"
1311654;1446163131;vulpes_a_hopital;ehehe
1311655;1446163172;vulpes_a_hopital;http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/portable-devices/novena-a-laptop-with-no-secrets << tell me stan, where's the scam in this one?
1311656;1446163174;assbot;Novena: A Laptop With No Secrets - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXUTpv )
1311657;1446163187;vulpes_a_hopital;fpga aside, we've done the fpga thread to death
1311658;1446163246;asciilifeform;'his death aside, how's his health ?' (tm) (r)
1311659;1446163252;asciilifeform;and i see a 'freescale arm'
1311660;1446163272;pete_dushenski;speaking of costumes, i've pulled off the most magical trio for the family for this halloween : papa is the beplaided farmer, mama the milky moo-cow, baby the curious calf !
1311661;1446163290;pete_dushenski;'not that women are cattle' (tm)
1311662;1446163293;asciilifeform;'Another advantage was Freescale�s policy of distributing a very detailed reference manual covering most of the chip�s real estate without requiring a nondisclosure agreement.' >> 'most' ?!
1311663;1446163309;vulpes_a_hopital;ding ding ding
1311664;1446163317;pete_dushenski;and on that bombshell, i'm off for a night out !
1311665;1446163321;vulpes_a_hopital;pete_dushenski is the joke there that the girl's the one working?
1311666;1446163328;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski you took your wife out on the town dressed as a cow ?
1311667;1446163348;vulpes_a_hopital;my halloween costumes for the next seven years are all cock themed
1311668;1446163352;pete_dushenski;lol will explain more later gents, gotta jet
1311669;1446163366;vulpes_a_hopital;dictopus cocktopus, the octopus with cock tentacles in a toga
1311670;1446163385;vulpes_a_hopital;a cock-shaped rocket
1311671;1446163387;vulpes_a_hopital;etc
1311672;1446163393;asciilifeform;aaand then we get to where they put modern systemdized linux on the thing, etc.
1311673;1446163394;asciilifeform;snore.
1311674;1446163394;mircea_popescu;but... why ?
1311675;1446163407;vulpes_a_hopital;gonna try to get kiddo dressed as a sperm for at least one
1311676;1446163461;vulpes_a_hopital;does it actually need the d, asciilifeform?
1311677;1446163472;asciilifeform;'A Laptop With No Secrets' << lies even in the title
1311678;1446163480;asciilifeform;vulpes_a_hopital: forget about 'needs'
1311679;1446163488;asciilifeform;speaking of what the authors see as sop
1311680;1446163552;vulpes_a_hopital;and so 'what other eldritch horrors lurk'?
1311681;1446163561;asciilifeform;whole thing is an elaborate exercise in delusionism
1311682;1446163568;asciilifeform;and imho uninteresting.
1311683;1446163588;vulpes_a_hopital;wait but what if we put mats trimmed down linux on it
1311684;1446163629;vulpes_a_hopital;i think i can see the smoke from here
1311685;1446163634;asciilifeform;vulpes_a_hopital: it's essentially a pogo with a buncha weird turds welded on...
1311686;1446163636;asciilifeform;go, put.
1311687;1446163729;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/dilbert%20vs%20jezebel.jpg
1311688;1446163730;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXW4oF )
1311689;1446164084;mats;har har
1311690;1446164211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33859 @ 0.0005476 = 18.5412 BTC [-]
1311691;1446165736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33622 @ 0.00055059 = 18.5119 BTC [+] {2} 
1311692;1446165797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65178 @ 0.00055452 = 36.1425 BTC [+] {3} 
1311693;1446166468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2841 @ 0.0005476 = 1.5557 BTC [-]
1311694;1446166635;jurov; ̉
1311695;1446167444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127200 @ 0.00055112 = 70.1025 BTC [+] {3} 
1311696;1446168205;phf;i was at bunnie's talk (the guy behind novena) at 2005 toorcon, the subject was hardware r.e. and it covered the end to end process of discovering and extracting something like intel's rootkit from the die. the approach is to remove the outer plastic cover from the chip using some form of etching, image the exposed circuit with increasily higher resolution devices culminating with electron microscope and then figure out what the
1311697;1446168205;phf;different parts of the silicon do, where the relevant parts are located and what might be strategies for getting to them. unfortunately there was no video, but i found the slides for the curious log readers https://infocon.org/cons/Black%20Hat/Black%20Hat%20DC/Black%20Hat%20DC%202007/Presentations/JoeGrand_HardWare_Hacking/Papers/Die%20Analysis/bunnie-hackingsilicon.pdf
1311698;1446168505;phf;i think back then he was still at MIT so had access to useful hardware and free time, he'd probably reversing intel die for the lulz, but now he's in Singapore with presumably reduced resources, doing "open" hardware.
1311699;1446168576;phf;some u.s. maker group did an interview at his singapore workshop in 2012, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7WVF5UfnA
1311700;1446168577;assbot;Beers in Bunnie's Workshop - Workshop Video #36 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RhhRM3 )
1311701;1446169104;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1311702;1446169945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00054521 = 39.7458 BTC [-]
1311703;1446170311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74588 @ 0.00054213 = 40.4364 BTC [-] {2} 
1311704;1446170372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19912 @ 0.00054177 = 10.7877 BTC [-]
1311705;1446170711;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/why_we_are_terrible_at_math_an.html
1311706;1446170712;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Why We Are Terrible At Math (And Reading Comprehension) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFjJwu )
1311707;1446170724;mircea_popescu;"and what that means, and so everyone thinks he's progressing just fine; only to reach a later point when his clever shortcut is too primitive to work.  Now suddenly you have a 6th grader who appears to falling behind.  But he was never really caught up.   I suspect that this almost entirely explains Americans' universal hatred of word problems."
1311708;1446170729;mircea_popescu;check it out, tlp knows about word problems.
1311709;1446170799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122900 @ 0.00054163 = 66.5663 BTC [-] {5} 
1311710;1446170964;mircea_popescu;"I'm told that the system of the day is "Everyday Math." I have no idea what that is, but my worry is that every system of teaching is designed not to maximize learning, but to facilitate the teaching."
1311711;1446171145;mircea_popescu;;;later tell schmidty please fix your connection so you don't do a lot of join/part
1311712;1446171145;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1311713;1446171191;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311696 << dpa is far more likely the answer, rather than imaging
1311714;1446171191;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 01:23:25; phf: i was at bunnie's talk (the guy behind novena) at 2005 toorcon, the subject was hardware r.e. and it covered the end to end process of discovering and extracting something like intel's rootkit from the die. the approach is to remove the outer plastic cover from the chip using some form of etching, image the exposed circuit with increasily higher resolution devices culminating with electron microscope and then f
1311715;1446171241;*;asciilifeform used to have some respect for huang BEFORE the whole novena thing
1311716;1446171256;asciilifeform;after - i find it quite impossible.
1311717;1446171360;asciilifeform;'The problem is that as long as he completed the worksheet, you wouldn't know there was a problem with doing math until it was way too late.  If the kid is clever in other ways-- say, fast at finger counting-- he could easily convey the impression that he understands how to add 2 digit numbers, and what that means, and so everyone thinks he's progressing just fine; only to reach a later point when his clever shortcut is too pr
1311718;1446171360;asciilifeform;imitive to work.' << this IS what school IS.
1311719;1446171375;asciilifeform;how many people ~understand~ ANYTHING AT ALL ?
1311720;1446171385;asciilifeform;per the not-merely-finger-tricks definition of the word.
1311721;1446171646;asciilifeform;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/why_we_are_terrible_at_math_an.html#comment-17994 << woah, a non-retarded comment on tlp's www...
1311722;1446171647;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Why We Are Terrible At Math (And Reading Comprehension) ... ( http://bit.ly/20eGjUf )
1311723;1446172108;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310664 << Dick Masterson? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115020
1311724;1446172108;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 08:32:51; mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, a fundamental point to be considered for those inclined to interact with the scum (aka, non-qntra reporters), a point which that seduction expert (i don't recall which one but was in the logs - something about how he went on a "live" show where the 5 dollar audience bood him on cue) : you do want to control their codes. because you must project your own ownership of reality, an
1311725;1446172108;assbot;Logged on 29-04-2015 00:43:55; danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, that guy is a wimp. that kinda situation doesn't have to end so poorly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM
1311726;1446172167;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310709 << what about 'machine' ? although I do name my computers after women of the Bible
1311727;1446172167;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 09:32:26; mircea_popescu: calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever.
1311728;1446172177;danielpbarron;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311251 << I feel as though this is a concept I have recently experienced in Eulora
1311729;1446172177;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 20:50:56; mircea_popescu: and so therefore, going from a to b actually increases the market value of item. through a process known as "creating a market".
1311730;1446172196;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron nah was some nick thing.
1311731;1446172226;mircea_popescu;and yes, eulora is a FABULOUS econ lab.
1311732;1446172263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00054345 = 22.7706 BTC [+] {2} 
1311733;1446172452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness, math is an AWFUL example for this matter. because, well, in honesty a "simple" notion such as the notion of a number is still patently ununderstood by the species altogether. and for that matter minimal effort to even comprehend it starts with what, frege ? a coupla centuries ago ?
1311734;1446172461;asciilifeform;aha
1311735;1446172465;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, stuff that isn't math, such as whatever, "ecology" don't even HAVE concepts, at all
1311736;1446172465;asciilifeform;frege, peano, church, et al.
1311737;1446172470;mircea_popescu;there's nothing there to understand.
1311738;1446172494;mircea_popescu;so... the expectation that there'd be understanding happening in school is not unlike the expectation that there'd be salvation happening at the brothel.
1311739;1446172498;mircea_popescu;salvation does not happen.
1311740;1446172504;asciilifeform;but it once was the case that people carried through life a ~useful~ concept of what they were ~doing~ when working those columns
1311741;1446172514;mircea_popescu;but the notion of useful is predicated on society.
1311742;1446172520;asciilifeform;aha
1311743;1446172530;mircea_popescu;yes at some point going to college was useful. this BECAUSE at that time people lived in a society that allowed for it
1311744;1446172545;mircea_popescu;ie, no upwards mobility and a solid understanding of the value and importance of inequality.
1311745;1446172553;asciilifeform;http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm << obligatory
1311746;1446172554;assbot;The Feeling of Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScHrm1 )
1311747;1446172571;mircea_popescu;now there's plenty of mobility but no upwards, and plenty of inequality but no understanding thereof.
1311748;1446172589;mircea_popescu;blaming a college / all colleges / anyone for this is rank nonsense.
1311749;1446172598;asciilifeform;anyone?!
1311750;1446172607;mircea_popescu;anyone.
1311751;1446172611;asciilifeform;what, martians came, did it, left ?
1311752;1446172616;mircea_popescu;not even.
1311753;1446172628;mircea_popescu;there was no deed.
1311754;1446172632;asciilifeform;malthusian degringolade ?
1311755;1446172635;mircea_popescu;yes.
1311756;1446172641;*;asciilifeform can see it
1311757;1446172649;mircea_popescu;there is just the stopping of some deeds.
1311758;1446172707;mircea_popescu;"an end to opression" aka "you're not even worth beating up"
1311759;1446172812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00054477 = 25.6587 BTC [+]
1311760;1446172938;asciilifeform;nobody but thoroughbred tards ever bought into the 'end to oppression' claptrap
1311761;1446172973;mircea_popescu;yea well
1311762;1446172979;asciilifeform;(it was really engineered to distract the easily-distracted from their entirely genuine serfdom, e.g., rent existing)
1311763;1446173036;asciilifeform;so what if paycheque is given to the schmuck for ten minutes 'to keep it warm' and then goes right back. at least he wasn't beat up in grade school !
1311764;1446173239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60500 @ 0.00054093 = 32.7263 BTC [-] {3} 
1311765;1446173780;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311697 << almost forgot to point out: this generally won't read a modern rom, certainly not a 16nm one that was built by folks who didn't want it read. you need an ion beam machine and much sweat, to strip away the layers.
1311766;1446173780;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 01:23:25; phf: different parts of the silicon do, where the relevant parts are located and what might be strategies for getting to them. unfortunately there was no video, but i found the slides for the curious log readers https://infocon.org/cons/Black%20Hat/Black%20Hat%20DC/Black%20Hat%20DC%202007/Presentations/JoeGrand_HardWare_Hacking/Papers/Die%20Analysis/bunnie-hackingsilicon.pdf
1311767;1446173810;*;asciilifeform suspects that in the vast majority of cases, getting the rom contents via humint is cheaper
1311768;1446173849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104933 @ 0.00054497 = 57.1853 BTC [+] {2} 
1311769;1446173856;asciilifeform;which plugs in nicely into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1311161
1311770;1446173856;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 20:22:01; mircea_popescu: all the derps that this'd be interesting to are essentially on the same side of the same market : wanna make money (sex) out of their "skillz" (having a cunt)
1311771;1446173936;mircea_popescu;it is universally cheaper to make a new chip than to describe an extant one from scratch.
1311772;1446173957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not so. consider more or less the whole of sov/gdr production
1311773;1446173974;*;asciilifeform kicks crate of gdr z80
1311774;1446173991;mircea_popescu;even there.
1311775;1446174088;asciilifeform;emphatically not. copying a (1980s) die is a photographer's work.
1311776;1446174097;asciilifeform;you don't even need electronic engineer, for it
1311777;1446174137;asciilifeform;hence how su microvax die ended up with 'when you care enough to steal the very best (tm) (r)' slogan right where the original had it.
1311778;1446174160;asciilifeform;(hilariously, it was translated to ru on the die - WITH A DICTIONARY - to the point of being nearly incomprehensible)
1311779;1446174185;asciilifeform;http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/images/russians.jpg
1311780;1446174187;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0RIDx )
1311781;1446174223;asciilifeform;http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures << lulzy www
1311782;1446174224;assbot;Molecular Expressions: The Silicon Zoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0RJXP )
1311783;1446174282;asciilifeform;http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bulldozer.html << 'This miniature rendition of a bulldozer appears on a NMOS digital chip designed in 1980 for Caterpillar by Synertek for use in their heavy equipment Electronic Monitoring Systems. The integrated circuit is still used in many models of Caterpillar construction equipment, including bulldozers. We suspect that the bulldozer is busy clearing space on the chip for addit
1311784;1446174283;assbot;Molecular Expressions: The Silicon Zoo - Caterpillar Bulldozer ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0RLiy )
1311785;1446174283;asciilifeform;ional transistors.'
1311786;1446174424;mircea_popescu;!up iinaj
1311787;1446174458;*;mircea_popescu is writing a mega piece.
1311788;1446174611;asciilifeform;http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/spacedinvader.html
1311789;1446174612;assbot;Molecular Expressions: The Silicon Zoo - Spaced Invader ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFnHoH )
1311790;1446175393;asciilifeform;'You can�t encrypt, pack, sign, split, or hash transistors. There are no magic numbers, except for those that you find in the back of a physics textbook.' << the one good part in huang's slide show
1311791;1446175497;asciilifeform;well, the only part that isn't 'from textbook', at the very least.
1311792;1446175923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127800 @ 0.0005531 = 70.6862 BTC [+] {2} 
1311793;1446176899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00054475 = 29.5527 BTC [-]
1311794;1446176967;mircea_popescu;"Because-" Aub looked helplessly at his superior for support. "It's difficult to explain."
1311795;1446176968;mircea_popescu;aha.
1311796;1446176975;mircea_popescu;it is difficult to explain TO YOU
1311797;1446176985;mircea_popescu;not because of anything, but because you know too much of the wrong sorts of things.
1311798;1446176996;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the problem of slavery, and how beatings get to be a part of it.
1311799;1446177143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84439 @ 0.00054743 = 46.2244 BTC [+] {2} 
1311800;1446177446;mircea_popescu;Loesser checked it. "Well, now, that's amazing. Multiplication didn't impress me too much because it involved integers after all, and I thought trick manipulation might do it. But decimals -"
1311801;1446177446;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
1311802;1446177448;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. really ?
1311803;1446177559;deedbot-;[Trilema] The squares, and the holes - http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/
1311804;1446177997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00054491 = 30.9509 BTC [-]
1311805;1446178912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.0005442 = 30.6385 BTC [-] {2} 
1311806;1446179827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64450 @ 0.00054774 = 35.3018 BTC [+] {2} 
1311807;1446180888;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: The Roosh guy on Dr. Oz. Completely unprepared for the experience, ended up the subject of the Oprah network'd 5 minutes of hate that day.
1311808;1446181061;mircea_popescu;oh that's it!
1311809;1446181063;mircea_popescu;thanks.
1311810;1446181168;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Caterpillar, now THAT is a struggling Us company.
1311811;1446181352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34365 @ 0.00054775 = 18.8234 BTC [+]
1311812;1446181770;punkman;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311715 < because other people write stupid articles about novena?
1311813;1446181770;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 02:14:01; *: asciilifeform used to have some respect for huang BEFORE the whole novena thing
1311814;1446182451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00054383 = 6.961 BTC [-] {2} 
1311815;1446182625;vulpes_a_hopital;midwife on duty is *smoking* hot
1311816;1446182708;mircea_popescu;standard of care.
1311817;1446182712;vulpes_a_hopital;;;later tell phf yeah, yeah. mostly just bitching about shithub.
1311818;1446182713;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1311819;1446182755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143500 @ 0.00054735 = 78.5447 BTC [+] {3} 
1311820;1446183604;mircea_popescu;!up Chameleous
1311821;1446183731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127197 @ 0.00055307 = 70.3488 BTC [+] {4} 
1311822;1446184402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128600 @ 0.00054316 = 69.8504 BTC [-] {4} 
1311823;1446185622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61940 @ 0.00055595 = 34.4355 BTC [+] {3} 
1311824;1446185866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37196 @ 0.00055153 = 20.5147 BTC [-] {3} 
1311825;1446185988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104291 @ 0.00054092 = 56.4131 BTC [-] {2} 
1311826;1446186276;BingoBoingo;In other news 419 crosses the atlantic http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/car-crash-in-lincoln-county-leads-to-credit-card-fraud/article_f3afd2e3-3f15-504a-9f66-c9eeb7be00ed.html
1311827;1446186277;assbot;Car crash in Lincoln County leads to credit card fraud charges : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScPoHL )
1311828;1446186300;BingoBoingo;"A report of a one-car accident led to charges alleging credit card fraud against two African men, the Lincoln County Sheriff's Office said Thursday."
1311829;1446187025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78100 @ 0.00054081 = 42.2373 BTC [-] {3} 
1311830;1446187941;punkman;http://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1865319#p1865319
1311831;1446188878;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/iDwRu
1311832;1446190871;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1311833;1446190878;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 329.19, vol: 41219.69506093 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 319.3, vol: 19370.63214 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 331.5, vol: 72515.67844049 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 340.0, vol: 8.77470441 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 357.146319, vol: 86717.33690000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 332.0, vol: 274.48647954 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 308.35365, vol: 164.64389138 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1311834;1446190900;BingoBoingo;;;more
1311835;1446190900;gribble;340.075073782
1311836;1446191211;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --eur
1311837;1446191211;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
1311838;1446191234;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency eur
1311839;1446191241;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 295.685, vol: 41924.10425949 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 292.87, vol: 485.77568 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 309.332, vol: 8.77470441 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 324.980882, vol: 86645.65900000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 297.748, vol: 13972.8568308 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 280.5, vol: 164.77689138 | Volume-weighted last average: 313.585854042
1311840;1446191258;BingoBoingo;300 Euros
1311841;1446191784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286800 @ 0.00053981 = 154.8175 BTC [-] {7} 
1311842;1446191915;mircea_popescu;god i fucking love anchovies
1311843;1446192089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00053956 = 43.0839 BTC [-]
1311844;1446192195;BingoBoingo;^
1311845;1446192394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.0005422 = 32.6404 BTC [+] {3} 
1311846;1446192689;deedbot-;[Qntra] Billion Dollar Blimp Victim of Police Shooting - http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-victim-of-police-shooting/
1311847;1446192911;mircea_popescu;haha
1311848;1446193019;BingoBoingo;http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-manhunt-kern-sheriff-deputy-20151029-story.html
1311849;1446193020;assbot;Fugitive Kern County deputy captured after daring escape - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1WlmH1g )
1311850;1446193054;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Can't even make this shit up
1311851;1446193071;mircea_popescu;ya
1311852;1446193492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94900 @ 0.00053956 = 51.2042 BTC [-] {2} 
1311853;1446193871;punkman;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8N1USqttE  good one BingoBoingo
1311854;1446193872;assbot;RAW VIDEO: KCSO video shows Deputy Edward Tucker escape - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wln77P )
1311855;1446193911;BingoBoingo;punkman: ty
1311856;1446193919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.00054461 = 59.4714 BTC [+] {3} 
1311857;1446194038;mircea_popescu;from the "things you probably don't want to see" folder, http://41.media.tumblr.com/1a4f5469144f1df96676f054ba5b3ba4/tumblr_n3zpnqzBpG1tqp9cfo1_r1_1280.png
1311858;1446194041;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wln9fR )
1311859;1446194104;BingoBoingo;At least not Mayo Gendered
1311860;1446194136;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSdEIXcWoAArTsJ.png:large
1311861;1446194137;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wlndfz )
1311862;1446194190;mircea_popescu;haha.
1311863;1446194550;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSeT3QCXAAAmKxV.jpg eulora?
1311864;1446194551;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDyJAh )
1311865;1446195170;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/the_nature_of_the_grift.html << this is splendid.
1311866;1446195172;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Nature Of The Grift ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDA0Hx )
1311867;1446195181;mircea_popescu;exact explanation of the thing.
1311868;1446195920;BingoBoingo;http://1heurf2kk91pad4b23w0jddl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Hpylori.jpg
1311869;1446195921;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDBMbM )
1311870;1446196054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00054438 = 21.8841 BTC [-]
1311871;1446196359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37718 @ 0.00054494 = 20.554 BTC [+]
1311872;1446196847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27908 @ 0.00054806 = 15.2953 BTC [+]
1311873;1446196991;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2015/10/fanduel-alcohol-levels/
1311874;1446196993;assbot;Fanduel to Debut Betting on Drunk ED Patients’ Alcohol Levels | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/20fiw6s )
1311875;1446197945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27621 @ 0.00054806 = 15.138 BTC [+]
1311876;1446198006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89179 @ 0.00054834 = 48.9004 BTC [+]
1311877;1446199714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0005462 = 8.9031 BTC [-]
1311878;1446199958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82600 @ 0.00054532 = 45.0434 BTC [-] {3} 
1311879;1446200629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.0005462 = 47.3555 BTC [+]
1311880;1446201971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81250 @ 0.00054353 = 44.1618 BTC [-] {3} 
1311881;1446202337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76100 @ 0.00054619 = 41.5651 BTC [+] {2} 
1311882;1446202825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.0005435 = 18.316 BTC [-] {2} 
1311883;1446203252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00054435 = 35.8727 BTC [+]
1311884;1446203740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38066 @ 0.0005435 = 20.6889 BTC [-] {2} 
1311885;1446206241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72950 @ 0.00054294 = 39.6075 BTC [-]
1311886;1446206851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72750 @ 0.00054129 = 39.3788 BTC [-] {2} 
1311887;1446207095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00054127 = 19.161 BTC [-] {3} 
1311888;1446207766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17619 @ 0.00054293 = 9.5659 BTC [+] {2} 
1311889;1446208620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00054263 = 30.8485 BTC [-] {3} 
1311890;1446209535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98691 @ 0.00054564 = 53.8498 BTC [+] {3} 
1311891;1446209718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79900 @ 0.00054601 = 43.6262 BTC [+] {3} 
1311892;1446210267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.0005462 = 13.0542 BTC [+]
1311893;1446210694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266200 @ 0.00054289 = 144.5173 BTC [-] {6} 
1311894;1446211609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99485 @ 0.00054619 = 54.3377 BTC [+] {2} 
1311895;1446211774;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/oy2f1J3.jpg
1311896;1446211775;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0Zo2y )
1311897;1446211792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128000 @ 0.00054085 = 69.2288 BTC [-]
1311898;1446212951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93600 @ 0.00054629 = 51.1327 BTC [+] {3} 
1311899;1446213445;punkman;http://i.imgur.com/EheNhZU.png very believable CNY volume
1311900;1446213445;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M11z6a )
1311901;1446213561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82594 @ 0.00054078 = 44.6652 BTC [-] {3} 
1311902;1446213736;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://m.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/judge-finds-austin-officer-immune-from-manslaughter-charge/article_9f930c6d-21fc-510c-95a6-26d6f805e8cf.html << qntra?
1311903;1446213737;assbot;Judge finds Austin officer immune from manslaughter charge : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M11Mqf )
1311904;1446213737;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1311905;1446213805;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311812 << pray tell, what existence does the thing have AT ALL outside of generating the idiot articles ?
1311906;1446213805;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 05:09:30; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311715 < because other people write stupid articles about novena?
1311907;1446213826;asciilifeform;see thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311681
1311908;1446213826;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 00:06:01; asciilifeform: whole thing is an elaborate exercise in delusionism
1311909;1446213856;asciilifeform;not even to mention the fact that calling it a 'laptop' is like calling a sack of potatoes with a fuckhole drilled therein a 'woman'...
1311910;1446213891;asciilifeform;'novena' is almost a textbook case of slimeball delusionist attempts to nudge the definition of 'open'
1311911;1446214279;asciilifeform;i can almost hear the reply of the author and his fans, 'what have you created, useless eater?!', 'this ~is~ what the word open now means!', etc
1311912;1446214450;asciilifeform;'only a terrorist would demand the full docs for the fpga or a full netlist for the arm!'
1311913;1446214491;asciilifeform;novena represents in my mind everything that is most loathesome re: the so-called 'maker' subculture.
1311914;1446214511;asciilifeform;which is concerned almost entirely with drilling fuckholes in sacks of potatoes and calling it harem-building.
1311915;1446214643;asciilifeform;how goes it, adlai ?
1311916;1446214664;adlai;interestingly
1311917;1446214679;asciilifeform;hm?
1311918;1446214700;adlai;dunno, same ol same ol. best of times, worst of times, etc.
1311919;1446214707;asciilifeform;still driving tanks?
1311920;1446214720;*;adlai never drove a *tank*
1311921;1446214739;asciilifeform;tanquettes ? (or what do you call'em over there)
1311922;1446214775;asciilifeform;'i rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank...' (tm) (r)
1311923;1446214813;adlai;phun phact... that song was supposedly inspired by mick jagger's girlfriend handing him her well-worn copy of
1311924;1446214816;adlai;!rated asciilifeform
1311925;1446214816;assbot;You rated user asciilifeform on 21-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: pукописи не горят.
1311926;1446214838;asciilifeform;copy of what
1311927;1446214848;adlai;master&margarita
1311928;1446214851;asciilifeform;ah.
1311929;1446214855;asciilifeform;neato.
1311930;1446214858;*;asciilifeform did not know this.
1311931;1446214896;adlai;no offense, but despite all your babblings about how your sorceror's apprentice must speak russian, the moment when i realized i've got to learn russian only came after finishing that book
1311932;1446214911;asciilifeform;hey, some never realize.
1311933;1446214962;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1311934;1446214971;adlai;o/
1311935;1446215139;adlai;;;isup s.b-a.link
1311936;1446215140;gribble;s.b-a.link is up
1311937;1446215145;adlai;hm
1311938;1446215300;mike_c;works from here
1311939;1446215328;*;adlai pebkahd\
1311940;1446215331;jurov;adlai: logs work? if not, you've got banned
1311941;1446215363;kakobrekla;search doesnt have ban hammer afaik
1311942;1446215391;kakobrekla;its mthreats thing, different server.
1311943;1446215443;punkman;asciilifeform: guy wanted to make an arm gadget, people showed up, said "shut up and kickstart our monies". the textbook case of delusionism is that Purism thing.
1311944;1446215452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80300 @ 0.00053956 = 43.3267 BTC [-]
1311945;1446215696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21917 @ 0.00053981 = 11.831 BTC [+]
1311946;1446215737;adlai;so when push comes to shove, meni's conviction is... idiocy?
1311947;1446215743;*;adlai is going off of http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#comment-90895
1311948;1446215744;assbot;The Bitcoin Drama Timeline on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgD0jF )
1311949;1446215753;adlai;(found thru combing logs, forums, etc)
1311950;1446216002;*;adlai trying to understand the context from which arises the sentiment characterized by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920317
1311951;1446216002;assbot;Logged on 13-11-2014 22:09:24; mircea_popescu: don't bother with the wot, i'll neg you anyway.
1311952;1446216223;adlai;(context for the context-seeking: we are acquainted by virtue of meatspace proximity, no 'business' but frequent games of chess and bullshit (of the verbal variety), and i'm a little curious why his name seems on par with nefario/pirateat40 round here)
1311953;1446216685;*;adlai is also curious about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-03-2015#1043336
1311954;1446216685;assbot;Logged on 05-03-2015 22:12:49; mike_c: well, I not only have a clue, i have the order book history :)
1311955;1446216775;jurov;perhaps mats is saving mkdepth.php in database
1311956;1446216844;adlai;mats isn't the one serving a public alphaseeker...
1311957;1446216915;*;adlai would like to hope ("has come to expect"?) that in an efficient market, such data is public, or at the very least, available to the highest bidder
1311958;1446216961;mike_c;i've been saving the order book every few minutes for years.
1311959;1446217014;adlai;and.....?
1311960;1446217040;mike_c;and what?
1311961;1446217046;mike_c;maybe i missed the question
1311962;1446217223;adlai;i'm curious about it, is all. kakobrekla makes q.b-a publicly available through his kind soul, or to track which time periods interest people, or something
1311963;1446217255;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty, I'll see what I can do with it
1311964;1446217263;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1311965;1446217270;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 322.49, vol: 42157.79001188 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 309.6, vol: 22463.9324 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 323.18, vol: 79149.86865019 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 340.0, vol: 6.79625245 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 339.419682, vol: 96581.10810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 319.56096, vol: 327.17989832 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 309.456, vol: 165.56034113 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1311966;1446217271;BingoBoingo;;;more
1311967;1446217272;gribble;328.290832739
1311968;1446217348;adlai;RIP https://bitbet.us/bet/1215/bitcoin-over-326-before-november/#b12
1311969;1446217349;assbot;BitBet - Bitcoin over $326 before November :: 0.44 B (14%) on Yes, 2.59 B (86%) on No | closed 15 hours 2 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgHlDt )
1311970;1446217395;kakobrekla;jew manipulation
1311971;1446217404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86772 @ 0.00054671 = 47.4391 BTC [+] {3} 
1311972;1446217433;*;adlai spent last night explaining to a fresh bitcoiner how satoshi was more jew than jap
1311973;1446217464;adlai;guy didn't even realize it was a sudonim!
1311974;1446217553;adlai;(this is what happens when you read dead-tree kierkegaard instead of live-tree logs)
1311975;1446217657;adlai;mike_c: for the minimization of miscommunication, the question === "i can haz?"
1311976;1446218441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158750 @ 0.00054662 = 86.7759 BTC [-] {5} 
1311977;1446218752;adlai;lol, lies. scalpl just sold, that was a market buy.
1311978;1446218917;*;adlai must onwards, 'see you round the clogs'
1311979;1446219112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92832 @ 0.00054832 = 50.9016 BTC [+] {3} 
1311980;1446219905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54478 @ 0.00054169 = 29.5102 BTC [-] {3} 
1311981;1446220365;mircea_popescu;<adlai> so when push comes to shove, meni's conviction is... idiocy? << people wanna be things. and they imagine the way to be things is like in the movies.
1311982;1446220372;mircea_popescu;the results are indistinguishable from that.
1311983;1446220638;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1311984;1446220641;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 324.06, Best ask: 324.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 324.3, 24 hour volume: 79668.5474369, 24 hour low: 307.0, 24 hour high: 336.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1311985;1446220655;mike_c;;;later tell adlai yeah, I don't see why not.  I'll take a look at posting it somewhere.
1311986;1446220655;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1311987;1446220835;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311952 << he was involved in promoting a number of scams.
1311988;1446220835;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 14:43:43; adlai: (context for the context-seeking: we are acquainted by virtue of meatspace proximity, no 'business' but frequent games of chess and bullshit (of the verbal variety), and i'm a little curious why his name seems on par with nefario/pirateat40 round here)
1311989;1446220871;mircea_popescu;you have to realise that back in 2011, the number of people who were calling pirate a scam was equal to the ocunt of me and my agents.
1311990;1446220907;mircea_popescu;at THAT time, a community of professional bullshitters, connecting to each other through playing chess and being passive-agressive, resistant and self protecting babies, held "communioty oppinions"
1311991;1446220920;mircea_popescu;a sort of person of whom you personally remind me a lot, by the way.
1311992;1446220937;mircea_popescu;i beheaded / humiliated some, which is THE BASIS upon which bitcoin took a further step and became bitcoin of 2012.
1311993;1446221010;mircea_popescu;they've been fighting with / running away from their reflection ever since then, because lo! idiot knows ONE coping strategy, which is, denial of reality.
1311994;1446221108;mircea_popescu;da fuck is q.b-a
1311995;1446221283;jurov;soooo... my adventures with stator+cheapest chinese ssd available were stalled... not due to stator nor the ssd, but due to btrfs quotas :/
1311996;1446221310;jurov;when they are turned on, btrfs-cleaner is prone to 100% hog cpu for hours
1311997;1446221312;mircea_popescu;what the hell happened there ?
1311998;1446221328;mircea_popescu;ugh\
1311999;1446221330;punkman;why btrfs btw?
1312000;1446221338;jurov;i turnd them off and it started flying aka 1 block/10sec
1312001;1446221355;jurov;punkman i wanted to have snapshots in case sometimes goes sour
1312002;1446221374;jurov;and to see disk usage per snapshot, quotas are needed
1312003;1446221396;jurov;i can live without that
1312004;1446221439;mircea_popescu;so quota implementation is bugged to all shit ?
1312005;1446221455;mircea_popescu;say something in #btrfs ?
1312006;1446221467;jurov;yes, such turdgnomery boggles the mind. any time anyone reported that, they were like "oh just turn off COW"
1312007;1446221500;jurov;but then you won't have data integrity checksums, either
1312008;1446221524;mircea_popescu;you prolly should harass them in chan.
1312009;1446221600;mircea_popescu;!up ascii_field
1312010;1446221660;mircea_popescu;"Here's an example. Say your essay question is, "describe the causes of the American Civil War."  Ok, so far everything the kid knows he learned from Prentice Hall, but something inside him thinks the answer is: LABOR COSTS.  Hmmm.  Insightful and unexpected, let's see what he does with it. But there's not much he can do with it, there aren't many obvious resources to pursue this "feeling" he has.  He does what he can.
1312011;1446221660;mircea_popescu;  It's not that good.  C.  Grade inflation gives him a B.
1312012;1446221661;mircea_popescu;Meanwhile, Balboa the el ed major searches carefully in his textbook and discovers the cause was... SLAVERY.  He airlifts two sentences each out of five other books, asks for an extension because his grandmother died, adds nine hundred filler words including "for all intensive purposes" and "he could care less", and then waits in the parking lot to threaten you with "but this is a history class.  Why are you grading my
1312013;1446221665;mircea_popescu; writing style?"  He gets an A. The problem is that the first kid is strongly disincentivized from pursuing his idea, from becoming a better thinker, in very specific ways. "
1312014;1446221668;mircea_popescu;ha!
1312015;1446221688;mircea_popescu;"college trains libertards" simmer down, there isn't anything for kids to read that'd yield any other result!
1312016;1446221763;mircea_popescu;what was written in english that'\s worth reading ? and who teaches them french [other than to read postmodern shit] ? who teaches american kids german ? who beats his 16yo every night between 11:30 and 12:00 until he's finished kritik ?
1312017;1446221857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117233 @ 0.00054841 = 64.2917 BTC [+] {4} 
1312018;1446221918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241600 @ 0.00054916 = 132.6771 BTC [+] {2} 
1312019;1446222002;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311991 << did i sleep through this? i don't recall adlai sc4mz0ring anybody - he just writes commonlisp, dourly
1312020;1446222002;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 16:02:00; mircea_popescu: a sort of person of whom you personally remind me a lot, by the way.
1312021;1446222030;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311994 << i also want to know: did i wake up in parallel universe now ?
1312022;1446222030;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 16:05:08; mircea_popescu: da fuck is q.b-a
1312023;1446222077;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2015#1311995 << what is the point of using exotic fs with therealbitcoin ?
1312024;1446222077;assbot;Logged on 30-10-2015 16:08:03; jurov: soooo... my adventures with stator+cheapest chinese ssd available were stalled... not due to stator nor the ssd, but due to btrfs quotas :/
1312025;1446222079;mircea_popescu;ascii_field im pretty sure he didn't scamzor anybody.
1312026;1446222085;mircea_popescu;not what i said either.
1312027;1446222097;*;ascii_field rereads
1312028;1446222189;mircea_popescu;q.b-a ie bitcoin-assets.com ?
1312029;1446222223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85800 @ 0.00054046 = 46.3715 BTC [-] {6} 
1312030;1446222457;jurov;ascii_field: i can restore the database from snapshot instead of restarting from 0
1312031;1446222463;mircea_popescu;in other news, "how are babies made ?" "the man gives a baby to the woman from inside his body" aka http://31.media.tumblr.com/1122614d76711992a4c8c8d5d44f81ba/tumblr_nf6yb42fb51tmnngto1_500.gif
1312032;1446222468;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1WlOlvd )
1312033;1446222468;jurov;already used few times
1312034;1446222651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55586 @ 0.00055188 = 30.6768 BTC [+] {2} 
1312035;1446222784;shinohai;Well mircea_popescu shares in eye bleach just skyrocketed.
1312036;1446222799;mircea_popescu;you weren't ready for the facts of life!
1312037;1446222808;shinohai;xD
1312038;1446224298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13012 @ 0.00055195 = 7.182 BTC [+]
1312039;1446224481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73200 @ 0.00054805 = 40.1173 BTC [-]
1312040;1446225956;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1312041;1446226006;ascii_field;https://github.com/Microsoft/microsoft-pdb << lulzy. microshit publishes spec of their debug dump format (similar to unix 'dwarf') and,
1312042;1446226007;assbot;Microsoft/microsoft-pdb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKPeRY )
1312043;1446226013;ascii_field;'We'll try to keep this up to date. Just trying to help the CLANG/LLVM community get onto Windows.'
1312044;1446226025;ascii_field;^ microshit ~really~ wants to help gcc die
1312045;1446226128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111551 @ 0.00054703 = 61.0217 BTC [-] {2} 
1312046;1446226189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113643 @ 0.00054644 = 62.0991 BTC [-] {2} 
1312047;1446226834;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310923 << tbh, i'm completely oblivious of the indivual players. i don't watch the games i bet on. i often place bets on teams i haven't heard of. i trust the people doing the analyses, our incentives being aligned. i like to view is as an investment and detach myself emotionally from the games
1312048;1446226834;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:31:47; pete_dushenski: may be of interest to gabrielradio^
1312049;1446226897;gabrielradio;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310924 << i definitely have. sadly, i showed it to some chick some time ago. now she's telling me she's pregnant :(
1312050;1446226897;assbot;Logged on 29-10-2015 17:32:14; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell gabrielradio have you seen this one ? http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va
1312051;1446227409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94664 @ 0.00054203 = 51.3107 BTC [-] {2} 
1312052;1446227666;punkman;https://www.twitchinstalls.com/  "A cooperative text-based horror game"
1312053;1446227667;assbot;Twitch Installs Arch Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1WlUd7r )
1312054;1446227958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99663 @ 0.00054204 = 54.0213 BTC [+]
1312055;1446229971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86400 @ 0.00053916 = 46.5834 BTC [-] {3} 
1312056;1446230459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69125 @ 0.00054674 = 37.7934 BTC [+] {4} 
1312057;1446230949;asciilifeform;!up ascii_field
1312058;1446230957;ascii_field;vintage lulz:
1312059;1446230960;ascii_field;'Microsoft recommends that drivers be continually suspicious. Is that video decompressor taking longer than you think it should? Did the voltage just drop unexpectedly on the PCI bus? Vista has a concept it calls "tilt bits", as in the "tilt" mechanism on a pinball machine. When a driver sees something suspicious, it bumps the "tilt bits"; if too many suspicious activities happen close to each other, Vista degrades the
1312060;1446230961;ascii_field;data to lower quality so you can't see the high-quality data.'
1312061;1446230966;ascii_field;( http://www.momentaryfascinations.com/technology/vista.the.worlds.first.user-hostile.operating.system.html )
1312062;1446230968;assbot;Momentary Fascinations: Vista: The World's First User-Hostile Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxUmA8 )
1312063;1446231435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00054381 = 8.4291 BTC [-] {2} 
1312064;1446233265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58518 @ 0.00054381 = 31.8227 BTC [-] {2} 
1312065;1446234363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53800 @ 0.00054356 = 29.2435 BTC [-] {3} 
1312066;1446234426;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1312067;1446235323;mircea_popescu;ascii_field there's really no point left in pretending. gcc is dead.
1312068;1446235369;ascii_field;well, as dead as a thing for which there is no replacement can be
1312069;1446235387;mircea_popescu;ie, dead. like one's mom.
1312070;1446235453;mircea_popescu;i don't get what that tilt derpage i supposed to be
1312071;1446235461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00054432 = 16.0574 BTC [+] {4} 
1312072;1446235483;ascii_field;mircea_popescu: microshit demanded that drivers act as stoolies and search for signs that box is instrumented/tampered
1312073;1446235499;mircea_popescu;instrumented as to hwat ?
1312074;1446235502;mircea_popescu;it makes 0 sense
1312075;1446235503;ascii_field;(afaik this was never taken seriously by anyone)
1312076;1446235527;ascii_field;instrumented as in clocks operating atypically, bus delays, etc
1312077;1446235536;ascii_field;(on account of probes of whatever kind)
1312078;1446235538;mircea_popescu;but this is the opposite of what instrumented means ?
1312079;1446235692;ascii_field;instrumented ineptly
1312080;1446235704;ascii_field;(i.e. detectably)
1312081;1446235715;mircea_popescu;so...
1312082;1446235730;ascii_field;so nothing afaik came of this, it is of historical interest.
1312083;1446235764;mircea_popescu;basicallt they had a woman in tech. anonymous, as we don't know who came up with this "idea", but the cuntcheese stinks through.
1312084;1446235780;mircea_popescu;it promoted awareness!
1312085;1446235786;ascii_field;there are women at microshit ?!
1312086;1446235848;ascii_field;or is this 'woman' in the metaphorical sense, i.e. a bloke who's been to the dulap
1312087;1446235855;mircea_popescu;i have no idea.
1312088;1446235865;mircea_popescu;but it's the sort of atechnical imbecillity in either case.
1312089;1446235888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00054804 = 17.6469 BTC [+] {2} 
1312090;1446236554;shinohai;http://xkcd.com/1597/   <<< truth in git
1312091;1446236555;assbot;xkcd: Git ... ( http://bit.ly/1SdzZad )
1312092;1446236742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00054606 = 18.2384 BTC [-] {3} 
1312093;1446236803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00054006 = 12.1514 BTC [-] {3} 
1312094;1446237108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00053898 = 28.7815 BTC [-] {4} 
1312095;1446238667;deedbot-;[Qntra] Judge Grants Local Cop Immunity as Federal Agent - http://qntra.net/2015/10/judge-grants-local-cop-immunity-as-federal-agent/
1312096;1446238816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18580 @ 0.00053883 = 10.0115 BTC [-] {2} 
1312097;1446238873;mircea_popescu;funny how that works.
1312098;1446239056;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1312099;1446239975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00054835 = 25.4434 BTC [+] {4} 
1312100;1446240524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00054125 = 9.959 BTC [-]
1312101;1446241195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43207 @ 0.00053883 = 23.2812 BTC [-]
1312102;1446241500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00053881 = 22.657 BTC [-] {4} 
1312103;1446241561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00053878 = 8.1625 BTC [-]
1312104;1446241866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00054124 = 4.8712 BTC [+] {2} 
1312105;1446242903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00053878 = 16.0287 BTC [-]
1312106;1446242916;BingoBoingo;http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3946853.shtml#.VjOC_q6rSRZ
1312107;1446242918;assbot;BernCo judge tells defendant he would be someone's 'bitch' in prison, gives him probation | KOB.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GCiVJR )
1312108;1446243425;mircea_popescu;lolwut
1312109;1446243757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00053859 = 1.7773 BTC [-] {3} 
1312110;1446244425;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1312111;1446244445;BingoBoingo;Got probation, because too rapebait for prison
1312112;1446245343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20990 @ 0.0005431 = 11.3997 BTC [+] {3} 
1312113;1446247417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00054341 = 1.7117 BTC [+] {2} 
1312114;1446247600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32667 @ 0.00054379 = 17.764 BTC [+] {2} 
1312115;1446248286;BingoBoingo;!up v_diddy
1312116;1446248566;BingoBoingo;So, how many came ou?
1312117;1446248570;BingoBoingo;t
1312118;1446248588;BingoBoingo;3, 12, 16?
1312119;1446248698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30044 @ 0.00054189 = 16.2805 BTC [-] {3} 
1312120;1446249247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107400 @ 0.00053803 = 57.7844 BTC [-] {5} 
1312121;1446249822;v_diddy;just the one
1312122;1446251138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00053847 = 14.1079 BTC [+]
1312123;1446251951;mod6;congrats v_diddy!!
1312124;1446251993;jurov;?
1312125;1446252025;jurov;what's v_diddy about?
1312126;1446252602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053847 = 7.7001 BTC [+]
1312127;1446253029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49200 @ 0.00053759 = 26.4494 BTC [-] {3} 
1312128;1446253494;shinohai;ping mod6
1312129;1446253553;hanbot;mazel tov v_diddy
1312130;1446253589;mod6;werd up shinohai
1312131;1446253606;shinohai;Got a few secs for that build?
1312132;1446253650;shinohai;Or at least tell me what that crap was I had to install before the V build
1312133;1446253654;shinohai;xD
1312134;1446255408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00053847 = 3.3116 BTC [+]
1312135;1446256384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13715 @ 0.00053747 = 7.3714 BTC [-]
1312136;1446256394;mod6;ah, yeah. np.
1312137;1446256846;mircea_popescu;!up coinaday
1312138;1446256880;mircea_popescu;a congrats v_diddy
1312139;1446257883;asciilifeform;congrats... v_diddy
1312140;1446257906;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312132 << what was this
1312141;1446257906;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 01:07:30; shinohai: Or at least tell me what that crap was I had to install before the V build
1312142;1446258003;shinohai;@ asciilifeform I have had a tumultuous few weeks with the HD crash, gotta rebuild V
1312143;1446258051;shinohai;Actually, it has only been a week, but new gentoo and all :/
1312144;1446258147;asciilifeform;rebuild??
1312145;1446258168;asciilifeform;mine never needed building, it was written in python; mod6's was in perl
1312146;1446258180;asciilifeform;which also just needs the interpreter
1312147;1446258205;mod6;asciilifeform: so I basically built this script which builds a pressed v0.5.4 via my V implementation inside of rotor
1312148;1446258208;mod6;http://dpaste.com/3E2799B.txt
1312149;1446258209;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1PFJs )
1312150;1446258222;asciilifeform;ah, neat
1312151;1446258229;mod6;i got it to work 2x for me, and trinque ran it... shanohai is gonna try it out.
1312152;1446258238;mod6;*shinohai
1312153;1446258247;shinohai;xD
1312154;1446258260;shinohai;So far, so good.
1312155;1446258283;*;asciilifeform likes all of this with the very definite exception of the 'gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x......'
1312156;1446258289;mod6;anyway, all thats really required to ensure it works is that perl is installed, Graph::Easy is installed, and that keys are named as <wot_id>.asc in the hand created ~/.wot dir.
1312157;1446258322;asciilifeform;and are we really 'gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys FAB953C4'-ing ?
1312158;1446258366;mod6;yah, parts of this script are old and need to be changed.  it's certainly not finalized.  just trying to find out if the rest is doing what it should.
1312159;1446258373;asciilifeform;and shouldn't there be a hashing of the *.tar.gz and a sig check ?
1312160;1446258376;asciilifeform;ah
1312161;1446258396;shinohai;shit
1312162;1446258415;mod6;yeah, bit more stuff is required.  hoping to get it wrapped up in the next few weeks here.
1312163;1446258763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00053847 = 5.0885 BTC [+]
1312164;1446258815;mod6;was hoping that it would be useful in the way that it could be used by testers to do a final push on functional testing for TEST2
1312165;1446258899;shinohai;I know I'm behind mod6 but I am hoping by mid next week to get the Ubuntu test done I promised.
1312166;1446258907;shinohai;I loathe that shit, sorry.
1312167;1446258955;*;asciilifeform regrets that he does not have the time or energy to help
1312168;1446258985;shinohai;I shouldn't kvetch. That shell is really reliable and it isn't even my box.
1312169;1446259090;mod6;no worries guys.
1312170;1446259384;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/the_wisdom_of_crowds_turns_int.html << pretty interesting.
1312171;1446259385;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Wisdom Of Crowds Turns Into Madness ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVxlaK )
1312172;1446259396;mircea_popescu;not only do idiots converge with other idiots - but their confidence increases as they do so.
1312173;1446259405;mircea_popescu;wisdom of crowds, useless to negate systematic bias, etc.
1312174;1446259431;asciilifeform;mr mold had a hilarious piece on the subject, involving a game of chess played by vote
1312175;1446259456;deedbot-;[Trilema] Grade Inflation, adnotated - http://trilema.com/2015/grade-inflation-adnotated/
1312176;1446259565;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312174   <<< can you link me to this someone if I do not find first?
1312177;1446259565;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 02:43:51; asciilifeform: mr mold had a hilarious piece on the subject, involving a game of chess played by vote
1312178;1446259582;asciilifeform;do you really need it
1312179;1446259596;shinohai;nm
1312180;1446259623;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/futarchy-considered-retarded.html
1312181;1446259624;assbot;Unqualified Reservations: Futarchy considered retarded ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1RNRn )
1312182;1446259714;v_diddy;jurov: are you familiar with Sean Combs?
1312183;1446259749;BingoBoingo;Puff Daddy, then P. Diddy, then Diddy, then Sean's Combs inc.
1312184;1446259829;shinohai;thx
1312185;1446259917;BingoBoingo;P. Diddy also did: "On June 22, 2015, Combs was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon by the University of California, Los Angeles Police Department. He was accused of assaulting one of his son's football coaches after witnessing the coach yell at his son. His son, Justin Combs, plays football for the UCLA Bruins." << Because not even entertainment stars can spare their children the gladitorial arena
1312186;1446260622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'I have a few friends (lawyers, hedge fund managers, high powered money types generally) who make sport of hunting and humiliating UStardian college professors socially. It is a sport I would like to see extended to the middle class. Next time you're at a pretentious party and you spot some douche in the uniform of "college professor", go see if you can make him admit he's not read a whole book....' << where i
1312187;1446260622;asciilifeform;went to school, professoring is just a (poorly-paying) job, and the folks who did it showed no symptoms of conceiving of it as anything else
1312188;1446260701;shinohai;Possibly they stopped learning.
1312189;1446260739;*;asciilifeform could not help but take off his hat to, e.g., the fella who put off +ev employment until he was 40 and subsisted on chickenshit wage just so that he could teach asciilifeform and other scum algorithms, number theory, etc
1312190;1446260819;asciilifeform;but no, you won't find ~these~ profs at anything describable as 'pretentious party.' in fact, you won't find them at the high-end grocery shop, either.
1312191;1446260853;asciilifeform;most of'em don't even have the 'job security' popularly associated with this line of work
1312192;1446260890;asciilifeform;(typical u.s. state uni employs largely 'lecturers', who occupy approx. same place in the org chart as an air conditioner mechanic)
1312193;1446260898;shinohai;!b6
1312194;1446260905;shinohai;!b 6
1312195;1446260906;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3QZ60KW.txt )
1312196;1446260957;asciilifeform;http://www.shenlanguage.org/lambdassociates/htdocs/blog/decline.htm << obligatory. british, but applicable.
1312197;1446260957;assbot;Why I am Not a Professor ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1U0MB )
1312198;1446260962;asciilifeform;(all socblok countries are much alike)
1312199;1446261081;shinohai;"They are in fact, the last bastions of mediaevalism left in modern society outside, perhaps, the church." <<< I like it already, because though I do not believe in God, I am somehow drawn to the church for just that reason.
1312200;1446261130;asciilifeform;a tenured prof is prolly the closest thing that presently exists in the western world to ~titled nobility~
1312201;1446261143;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1312202;1446261166;v_diddy;except that if they sleep with their students they still get canned.
1312203;1446261206;v_diddy;BingoBoingo: funny, hadn't heard that one.
1312204;1446261229;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (typical u.s. state uni employs largely 'lecturers', who occupy approx. same place in the org chart as an air conditioner mechanic) << air conditioner mechanic comparatively makes bank compared to uni lecturer, and often professor
1312205;1446261240;asciilifeform;v_diddy: 'canned' means something quite else for a tenured prof than for the rank and file.
1312206;1446261262;mircea_popescu;http://thoughtbroadcast.com/2011/09/04/how-to-retire-at-age-27/
1312207;1446261263;assbot;How To Retire At Age 27 | Thought Broadcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1UCBX )
1312208;1446261263;asciilifeform;typically, anything short of a proper felony conviction results in demotion at the most.
1312209;1446261268;v_diddy;anyone game to compare http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016RepNomination (via ritzy) to the odds on bitbet?
1312210;1446261270;assbot;2016 President - Republican Nomination | PredictWise ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1UBhs )
1312211;1446261297;BingoBoingo;v_diddy: Mr. Combs is not a candidate really to lecture at Ben & Pete's Skoolarium
1312212;1446261319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a thing, thick jacket with applied elbow patches, certain haircut, certain glasses, laptop-like case on shoulder, open collar shirt...
1312213;1446261320;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no need to go far, see the case of, e.g., terry davis
1312214;1446261336;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik these creatures exist only in hollywood films
1312215;1446261359;v_diddy;i don't think pete's actually interested in /building/ the skoolarium
1312216;1446261361;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing here random derp making 63k a year from community college, we're discussing here krugman or w/e his name is, the nyt resident finance derp
1312217;1446261383;v_diddy;much less doing it to pound sense into his own spawn. could be wrong though.
1312218;1446261386;mircea_popescu;!up wbdynamics
1312219;1446261397;v_diddy;;;later tell pete_dushenski ^^
1312220;1446261398;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1312221;1446261401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they come here on tour once in a spell. they don't wear this 'uniform' either.
1312222;1446261415;mircea_popescu;also these guys don't teach anything whatsoever. they mostly try to be carrie from sex and the city, except without the sex.
1312223;1446261448;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These creatures exist even at regional colleges, check "humanities department." Seems they adopted the uniform from Hollywood.
1312224;1446261534;BingoBoingo;http://cola.siu.edu/philosophy/faculty-staff/faculty/ << 3 Jackets in one department alone
1312225;1446261535;assbot;Faculty | Department Name | SIU ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1UXET )
1312226;1446261544;v_diddy;anyways, four days a l'hopital, 36 hours of labor
1312227;1446261551;*;v_diddy is taking some fucking paternity leave
1312228;1446261564;mircea_popescu;not bad for a noob.
1312229;1446261573;mircea_popescu;also this is what you get for not favouring birthing hips!
1312230;1446261575;BingoBoingo;Dayum v_diddy so how many babbies were there?
1312231;1446261580;mircea_popescu;kim could have been done in 36 minutes.
1312232;1446261602;v_diddy;i like my secular christian babes
1312233;1446261615;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> kim could have been done in 36 minutes. << Not anymore. Not with the new FUPA since she let herself go.
1312234;1446261627;mircea_popescu;baby chews right through dat!
1312235;1446261671;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One of those fellows on the linked page actually to my knowledge draws not one, but TWO professorial salaries from the same university.
1312236;1446261691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00053899 = 10.4564 BTC [+] {3} 
1312237;1446261726;BingoBoingo;One of the other jacket people may also be drawing a second salary now too.
1312238;1446262049;phf;v_diddy: congrats!
1312239;1446262149;v_diddy;ty phf et al
1312240;1446262171;mircea_popescu;"That specific issue reveals an important bias and misunderstanding America has when it talks about employment.  Yes, there is an issue about people wanting to work but the other issue is that the global economy is too quick and efficient to tolerate your idiotic car troubles or your imbecilic grandmother's death or your moronic lack of child care (cue Scandinavia) or, and mostly, your stupid health.  The economy was a
1312241;1446262171;mircea_popescu; Ferrari and now it's only a Honda, but either way, not much time for absences and no time at all for Keisha's learning curve.  Keisha isn't just unemployed, she is completely unemployable.   We can argue whether auto plants should pay $20/hr or $50/hr, but for certain there is no market for unskilled labor at all."
1312242;1446262180;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/09/how_to_be_mean_to_your_kids.html << tlp, at the top of his game
1312243;1446262181;assbot;The Last Psychiatrist: How To Be Mean To Your Kids ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1VEhg )
1312244;1446262211;v_diddy;mod6, hanbot, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform
1312245;1446262211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on the other end, there is also precious little market for... skilled anything.
1312246;1446262254;mircea_popescu;naphex's been trying to hire skilled cocksuckers ; i've been trying to hire skilled pr ; bitbet still needs skilled bookies
1312247;1446262254;asciilifeform;(because what does zimbabwe need engineer for ? as far as the people's republic is concerned, he's just another shit-scooper ~but with pretensions~)
1312248;1446262258;v_diddy;asciilifeform: doesn't this thread devolve into "there's precious little market for anything not supported by usg"?
1312249;1446262269;mircea_popescu;there's a huge market for all sorts of skilled and a large pile of people who want skilled to mean what they want it to mean.
1312250;1446262272;asciilifeform;v_diddy: was trying to speak of... actual market
1312251;1446262278;mircea_popescu;which is fine, but it also means they gotta run their life as a business.
1312252;1446262294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how else can it run ?
1312253;1446262305;asciilifeform;i suppose there is 'as a charity' ('keisha' et al)
1312254;1446262308;mircea_popescu;then stop bitching and make those warrants / shares worth something.
1312255;1446262310;mircea_popescu;today.
1312256;1446262327;mircea_popescu;that's the measure of skilled in a life run as a business
1312257;1446262339;v_diddy;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-10-2015#1301924 << dude this notion that children must of necessity be -ev is a strictly temporal and american thing
1312258;1446262339;assbot;Logged on 18-10-2015 16:46:39; asciilifeform: 'this problem will not be solved for you personally, pray that your grandchildren get to live like people' <--> 'but i don't want to have children, i want to live like people ~myself~'
1312259;1446262353;asciilifeform;v_diddy: they're -ev.
1312260;1446262359;v_diddy;"must be rich to not send kids to school"
1312261;1446262376;mircea_popescu;v_diddy how do you plan to extract value from the offspring ?
1312262;1446262382;v_diddy;no, don't send kids to school. make them put up molding in the remodel. they learn something, the thing increases in value.
1312263;1446262395;v_diddy;make them shred papers. they learn something, biz gets shit done.
1312264;1446262404;mircea_popescu;either that or they waste the consumables, break the tools and injure themselves.
1312265;1446262420;v_diddy;has yet to happen with /anyone/ i've taught to use power tools.
1312266;1446262424;mircea_popescu;or in other words,
1312267;1446262425;mircea_popescu;"You will observe the Keisha does not even have the enthusiasm to know what is written on the most important economic documents of her life.  "I don't know, bipolar, panic attacks, whatever they put on there."  She can't be bothered to handle those papers, someone else is in charge of that.  How attentive will she be to the frier?  McDonalds doesn't want to find out."
1312268;1446262465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the thing that i was bitching about earlier is that nobody cared to find out how attentive ~i~ would be to the frier either
1312269;1446262470;asciilifeform;the last time i went.
1312270;1446262491;mircea_popescu;well yeah, because you'll prolly split in six weeks.
1312271;1446262512;*;asciilifeform wonders how far along usa collapse needs to be for this assumption to fade away
1312272;1446262526;mircea_popescu;prolly 20 years.
1312273;1446262535;v_diddy;tending the aquaponics, banging together a new dome, romping unattended in the neighbors fields not incurring costs...
1312274;1446262565;v_diddy;failure of imagination, i tell yas.
1312275;1446262613;asciilifeform;v_diddy: it is a perfectly fine thing to have pets, there is no need to pretend that they're +ev
1312276;1446262619;mircea_popescu;the record shall duly show.
1312277;1446262630;mircea_popescu;ok this is enough of this.
1312278;1446262689;asciilifeform;l0l
1312279;1446262693;mircea_popescu;da fuck, why did it miss a field.
1312280;1446262710;v_diddy;how do you draw the line between pets and livestock, asciilifeform?
1312281;1446262728;asciilifeform;v_diddy: livestock (if you've any business with them) are +ev
1312282;1446262735;asciilifeform;milk, meat.
1312283;1446262754;v_diddy;circular
1312284;1446262769;asciilifeform;not circular. nominal.
1312285;1446262770;v_diddy;that's not livestock it's a pet
1312286;1446262774;v_diddy;how do you know?
1312287;1446262776;v_diddy;it's -ev?
1312288;1446262780;v_diddy;how do you know?
1312289;1446262783;v_diddy;well it's a pet
1312290;1446262790;asciilifeform;aha, if you keep it around for no good reason other than that you like, e.g., its fur, its purr - it is a pet.
1312291;1446262807;v_diddy;or if it cooks, cleans, builds, still pet.
1312292;1446262820;trinque;you'd have to come at the thing by determining the value of your time, then the amount of time and resources devoted to the kid, what the kid ends up producing of value, does this offset the development period...
1312293;1446262828;trinque;but I'd be fine to consider my kid an art project
1312294;1446262843;trinque;at any rate it'll be fun to see what comes of your direction v_diddy :)
1312295;1446262850;asciilifeform;aha. i've yet to meet anyone who had children ~as result of calculation~
1312296;1446262872;asciilifeform;(met plenty of folks who ~did not~ from same.)
1312297;1446262877;v_diddy;what, you calculate the worth of a twenty lying on the street?
1312298;1446262895;asciilifeform;?
1312299;1446262910;v_diddy;value is apparent to some people.
1312300;1446262916;mircea_popescu;why the fuck is  /mode #bitcoin-assets +b *!*@c-50-140-140-37.hsd1.il.comcast.net do nothing ?
1312301;1446262926;v_diddy;mircea_popescu: enjoys programming i see
1312302;1446262933;mircea_popescu;god damned.
1312303;1446262972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00054193 = 28.9391 BTC [+] {3} 
1312304;1446262973;v_diddy;asciilifeform: are all financial products of knowable value?
1312305;1446262979;v_diddy;'products'
1312306;1446262986;v_diddy;cfd, futures, options etc.
1312307;1446262990;v_diddy;no of course not.
1312308;1446263027;v_diddy;but perhaps with judicious selection and market knowledge one can over time make some money.
1312309;1446263051;v_diddy;farmer who has 10 children 6 of which survive, 3 of which are useful on the farm doesn't calculate either.
1312310;1446263081;asciilifeform;aw
1312311;1446263083;mircea_popescu;this sucks.
1312312;1446263088;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how to apply it properly.
1312313;1446263093;asciilifeform;sux like electrolux
1312314;1446263097;mircea_popescu;aha!
1312315;1446263103;mircea_popescu;cant set a weaker one. cool.
1312316;1446263105;v_diddy;mircea_popescu: programs like american
1312317;1446263149;v_diddy;does schmuck attempting to hedge against total collapse of local civilization calculate ROI of expanding meatwot?
1312318;1446263189;v_diddy;worst case scenario i sell off a daughter or two to mircea_popescu
1312319;1446263219;v_diddy;they'll know latin, dance ballroom, play myriad instruments, perform ito.
1312320;1446263223;v_diddy;he won't be able to resist!
1312321;1446263251;v_diddy;failure of imagination.
1312322;1446263263;*;trinque chuckles as the +ev scheme is laid bare!
1312323;1446263291;phf;ito?
1312324;1446263303;*;asciilifeform wishes v_diddy only the highest quality, not-at-all-regressed-to-mean offspring
1312325;1446263334;phf;regressing to mean? that's a paddling
1312326;1446263340;v_diddy;and how.
1312327;1446263366;v_diddy;asciilifeform doubts my ability to milk humans of v!
1312328;1446263383;v_diddy;the man would also rather chew tacks than talk to humans, so we are at an impasse.
1312329;1446263405;*;asciilifeform is fortunately not needed for any of this.
1312330;1446263536;v_diddy;asciilifeform: perhaps remembers the lotto tickets at con3?
1312331;1446263541;mircea_popescu;like a what!
1312332;1446263590;asciilifeform;v_diddy: aha. mega-win.
1312333;1446263623;v_diddy;so there
1312334;1446263651;asciilifeform;v_diddy: i also remember the one other time i had a lotto ticket; when the lab where i worked in 2011 was defunded, the boss passed the hat and, as a last l0l, bought lotto tickets
1312335;1446263728;v_diddy;classic!
1312336;1446263740;asciilifeform;oughta have bought booze.
1312337;1446263753;v_diddy;actual incentive program at a place where a rescued $wotschmuck once labored
1312338;1446263815;v_diddy;lotto ticket has unknowable, but predictably bad odds.
1312339;1446263836;asciilifeform;wai wat
1312340;1446263843;asciilifeform;entirely knowable odds
1312341;1446263855;v_diddy;really? scratch-offs are provably trustable now?
1312342;1446263872;asciilifeform;ah in that sense, no.
1312343;1446263878;v_diddy;mk then.
1312344;1446263897;asciilifeform;but you can rely on the 0.
1312345;1446263905;v_diddy;sure sure
1312346;1446263909;v_diddy;and also reversion to the mean
1312347;1446263928;trinque;v_diddy: wait this wasn't a place I worked with the lotto tickets was it?
1312348;1446263935;trinque;I would die laughing if that became a practice after I left
1312349;1446263965;v_diddy;and also that any given individual including v_diddy thinks they're not an entirely average schmuck
1312350;1446263985;v_diddy;trinque: bonus pool type scam?
1312351;1446264024;trinque;I'm just mocking the poverty of $oldboss
1312352;1446264029;v_diddy;oh yeah
1312353;1446264032;v_diddy;no this was something different
1312354;1446264069;v_diddy;"5k bonus pool cash, divvied up amongst ye, or 5k of lotto tickets (purchased at my convenience store) divvied up amongst ye"
1312355;1446264114;v_diddy;trinque: man can i get $legendaryshitshow1 and $...2 from that guy yet?
1312356;1446264155;trinque;people still work for him?
1312357;1446264209;v_diddy;anyways, at a high level, one aspect of the wager i'm making here is that if a moron like me can with dilligence and self-discipline figure out how to turn a dollar into a buck twenty, if i bring the discipline and insist on the dilligence, i oughta be able to crap out at least one kid that can support me through $enddayz when my meatwot is all dead and dried up
1312358;1446264261;v_diddy;mircea_popescu: i found your next joinpartspamtarget
1312359;1446264390;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud.
1312360;1446264408;mircea_popescu;in other news : eggplant salad in mayo goes well with the local malbec.
1312361;1446264436;asciilifeform;http://dilbert.com/strip/1992-08-02 << on subject, via tlp
1312362;1446264437;assbot;Dilbert Comic Strip on 1992-08-02 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Bvl0 )
1312363;1446264522;v_diddy;https://www.change.org/p/tell-scott-adams-that-raping-a-woman-is-not-a-natural-instinct?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition << who sets the targets for these petitions?
1312364;1446264523;assbot;Pétition · Tell Scott Adams that raping a woman is not a natural instinct. · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0BDB9 )
1312365;1446264543;v_diddy;the dumb thing would be for the petition initiator, right?
1312366;1446264549;mircea_popescu;obama bin bimbo
1312367;1446264606;v_diddy;and to set your own bar and then fail to jump it?
1312368;1446264630;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how dumb women work.
1312369;1446264666;trinque;so this petition gets "upboated" or w/e they called it here, and Obama is supposed to tell him "nuh uh"
1312370;1446264728;v_diddy;oh this is an obab product
1312371;1446264740;v_diddy;so where does the magic 5K number come from?
1312372;1446264741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00054525 = 5.7906 BTC [+] {2} 
1312373;1446264742;trinque;originally, perhaps the "nuh uh" is collectivised now
1312374;1446264752;mircea_popescu;in other news, wrestling has progressed much since the old days of andy kaufman. they now tagteam women : http://31.media.tumblr.com/60dc8df09d8a7bbec349bb5ce34776da/tumblr_mlmvv0x3j91qadwmuo2_400.gif
1312375;1446264754;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1ZIhA )
1312376;1446264765;v_diddy;ah oh man
1312377;1446264768;v_diddy;change dot org
1312378;1446264772;v_diddy;too funny
1312379;1446264775;mircea_popescu;lol
1312380;1446264793;mircea_popescu;si el presente es de lucha, el futuro es nuestro!
1312381;1446264811;asciilifeform;lulz from tlp's commentz:
1312382;1446264813;asciilifeform;'In a little less than four decades, college tuition has risen 1400%. Housing costs have gone up 3100%. Gasoline has increased 1800%. Wages, on the other hand, have gone up 322%. The average increase in the three areas I have mentioned comes to 20 times. If income had kept pace with expenses, and if I were earning an amount equivalent to what my father earned in the 1960s, I would be making over one million dollars a year.'
1312383;1446264836;asciilifeform;hay mas futuro, indeed.
1312384;1446264860;BingoBoingo;<v_diddy> really? scratch-offs are provably trustable now? << Even more of a Gamble in Illinois. Prize over $600, get paid maybe nevar.
1312385;1446264862;mircea_popescu;hay mas futuro, pero no para todos.
1312386;1446264892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure that was al schwart's usenet sig for a while
1312387;1446264924;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem is this : out of a billion people, his father in 1960 was part of a group of a million, and the other 999 million were more than happy to be coolies. today, the author is part of the group of the useless.
1312388;1446264934;mircea_popescu;i would be very thankful he makes > 1k a year.
1312389;1446264952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a pauper's burial costs 5x this in usa.
1312390;1446264959;asciilifeform;so it will have to be soap.
1312391;1446264971;mircea_popescu;either that or flush them in one of those special hopsital toilets
1312392;1446264978;mircea_popescu;made for real big people.
1312393;1446264993;*;asciilifeform recalls the tale of dog-sized garbage disposals in a certain lab
1312394;1446265261;v_diddy;mircea_popescu: re "powerful men behaving badly" is this symmetric with "powerful women behaving badly"?
1312395;1446265299;mircea_popescu;can powerful women behave badly ?
1312396;1446265306;mircea_popescu;take a moment and give me a scenario.
1312397;1446265318;asciilifeform;what's this even mean
1312398;1446265324;v_diddy;can you give me a scenario of a powerful man behaving badly?
1312399;1446265365;mircea_popescu;yes. the original one : you have to put a golden bubble around your kid's neck so powerful man behaving badly knows to rape some other kid in the gaggle of kids your kid's playing with.
1312400;1446265406;mircea_popescu;what's she gonna do, suck them ALL off ?
1312401;1446265412;asciilifeform;if it's golden, the fella will just steal it. gotta be trotyl bubble..
1312402;1446265429;v_diddy;asciilifeform: motorbikenuke!
1312403;1446265478;mircea_popescu;fun fact : my latest piece, 10101 words.
1312404;1446265490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't a problem at the time, somehow.
1312405;1446265508;mircea_popescu;(the somehow is explained in the anonimity article)
1312406;1446265549;*;v_diddy gives up now
1312407;1446265551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: help me out, how do you say 'беспредел' in english ?
1312408;1446265571;mircea_popescu;independence.
1312409;1446265572;v_diddy;in *other* news, gcaptain is an *awesome* blog
1312410;1446265577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope
1312411;1446265599;asciilifeform;it is a specific term from su prison lexicon
1312412;1446265602;mircea_popescu;hey, you asked how i say!
1312413;1446265605;v_diddy;BingoBoingo: https://gcaptain.com/u-s-navy-sailor-wife-plead-guilty-to-dealing-heroin-on-warship/
1312414;1446265608;assbot;U.S. Navy Sailor, Wife Plead Guilty to Dealing Heroin on Warship - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1M20Xxe )
1312415;1446265634;asciilifeform;literally 'state of no bounds', in the least desirable possible sense
1312416;1446265649;mircea_popescu;lemme fish out that article.
1312417;1446265654;v_diddy;trinque: https://gcaptain.com/a-glimpse-into-the-unmanned-future-of-container-shipping/
1312418;1446265656;assbot;Ship Photo of the Day - A Glimpse Into the Unmanned Containership of the Future? - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1M211gD )
1312419;1446265674;asciilifeform;what i originally wanted to note was the 'powerful' does not necessarily mean 'respects no bounds', could - if this is a stable convention for some reason - respect the gold bubbles
1312420;1446265675;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/#selection-57.90-57.473
1312421;1446265676;assbot;Un prophète on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M214ZE )
1312422;1446265682;v_diddy;http://gcaptain.com/dispute-over-rigged-ship-engine-tests-adds-to-volkswagens-woes/
1312423;1446265684;assbot;Dispute Over Rigged Ship Engine Tests Adds to Volkswagen's Woes - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1M213Fc )
1312424;1446265702;trinque;v_diddy: neat, surely armed security though?
1312425;1446265713;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason the bound is respected is http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/#selection-135.131-139.54
1312426;1446265714;assbot;Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M217oo )
1312427;1446265717;mircea_popescu;the bubble is a honest signal.
1312428;1446265742;asciilifeform;how else could it possibly work
1312429;1446265771;v_diddy;trinque: rly? nigerians commandeering a freshly-built winxp ship?
1312430;1446265780;v_diddy;anyways. gcaptain.
1312431;1446265831;trinque;seems like it creates an immediate market for hack tools like what they use to take down drones
1312432;1446265845;v_diddy;dude mircea_popescu would you handle agorecki and therealjohngalt while you're at it?
1312433;1446265870;asciilifeform;trinque: anyone who moves valuables on a gps-steered robot is asking for it
1312434;1446265899;v_diddy;http://www.skysafe.io/
1312435;1446265901;assbot;SkySafe.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1M21krE )
1312436;1446265916;v_diddy;asciilifeform: ah, but the tightly-coupled gps-imu
1312437;1446265952;v_diddy;with its own sounding rockets that relay the real gps signal back to the launch platform!
1312438;1446265962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24773 @ 0.00054536 = 13.5102 BTC [+] {2} 
1312439;1446265982;v_diddy;4 days, 36 hours y'all.
1312440;1446266103;asciilifeform;v_diddy: for a boat, it is really not hard to set up mechanized stellar tracker
1312441;1446266116;v_diddy;autoastrolabe!
1312442;1446266151;v_diddy;yes, i was typing something along the lines of "anyways, using gps for mission critical anything is braindamaged. you're better off with dead reckoning and navigation by star."
1312443;1446266191;v_diddy;anyways, the "drone" comms are /entirely/ unencrypted.
1312444;1446266195;v_diddy;rc aircraft idem.
1312445;1446266213;asciilifeform;toy store machine, toy store crypto
1312446;1446266296;v_diddy;*another* killer application of gossipd.
1312447;1446266331;*;v_diddy goes shuffling through drawers for the uav wargames notes
1312448;1446266343;asciilifeform;how's gossipd relate ?
1312449;1446266452;v_diddy;swarm coordination
1312450;1446266459;mircea_popescu;i don't get this : not like you can't put encryption on top of a clear channel
1312451;1446266480;v_diddy;mircea_popescu: uav/rc suffers from the pile of chairs problem
1312452;1446266487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why would toy maker bother.
1312453;1446266492;v_diddy;if you want the systems to behave sanely, you have to rewrite everything down to the wire protocols
1312454;1446266493;*;v_diddy digs
1312455;1446266509;mircea_popescu;well toy maker i dunno, but you can do it if you care.
1312456;1446266559;asciilifeform;a matched set of rf boxes that 9600 bauds in either direction, and you can do what you like with the outs, is commercial sop and costs maybe ten bux.
1312457;1446266585;v_diddy;ehehahueahuaehu this aughta set asciilifeform off
1312458;1446266587;v_diddy;http://smaccmpilot.org/artifacts/Galois-commsec.pdf
1312459;1446266589;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2pKHn )
1312460;1446266620;asciilifeform;v_diddy: famous crown corp.
1312461;1446266628;v_diddy;i am intimately familiar!
1312462;1446266630;asciilifeform;they sell 'verified' crypto to usg
1312463;1446266644;v_diddy;have worked with them numerously!
1312464;1446266655;asciilifeform;the document appears to describe standard gcm/aes. snore.
1312465;1446266671;v_diddy;aha but haskell!11
1312466;1446266679;v_diddy;"have haskell, will travel"
1312467;1446266682;v_diddy;corp motto.
1312468;1446266692;asciilifeform;i thought that was jane street co.
1312469;1446266716;v_diddy;quants?
1312470;1446266726;v_diddy;what traveling do quants do, they work for the bank.
1312471;1446266745;*;asciilifeform does not know.
1312472;1446266800;v_diddy;anyways, first brush with "security industry"
1312473;1446266848;v_diddy;impression i walked away with was that of nerd's protection racket
1312474;1446266893;v_diddy;"oh your wordpress is very very insecure. it has shared php hosting. you need to spend $maxint to migrate to custom blablabla with frufrufru to protect your reputation and reduce the risk of br34ches!1"
1312475;1446266904;asciilifeform;laundry.
1312476;1446266910;v_diddy;laundry?
1312477;1446266916;asciilifeform;nobody gives a rat's arse what they purportedly make.
1312478;1446266931;asciilifeform;favourite sons need warm nest.
1312479;1446266999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19109 @ 0.00054547 = 10.4234 BTC [+]
1312480;1446267082;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9SeOrGni9s << i have no idea if you have the ru to appreciate this, but it is rather like a distilled version of 11 or so of your articles
1312481;1446267083;assbot;Как правильно допрашивать перед расстрелом (Меняйлов) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1M22OCi )
1312482;1446267083;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1312483;1446267083;v_diddy;there were more players.
1312484;1446267175;mircea_popescu;doesn't wanna play for some reason.
1312485;1446267226;asciilifeform;i might do a translation at some point, if mircea_popescu can find a box where it plays.
1312486;1446267255;mircea_popescu;gee look at that, an hour's worth of video
1312487;1446267263;mircea_popescu;not sure i wouldn't rather read the 11 articles
1312488;1446267282;*;asciilifeform only saw 10 min
1312489;1446267494;punkman;bon dia
1312490;1446267596;mircea_popescu;"The media's preferred symbol for the disintegration of public order is looting, i.e the opposite of shopping."
1312491;1446267795;punkman;indeed. on a sidenote, all the recent instances of looting around here were mobs taking food from supermarkets, not widescreen TVs.
1312492;1446267817;mircea_popescu;wait, greece is in looting mode ?
1312493;1446267835;punkman;not really, it has happened a few time in past decade though
1312494;1446267847;mircea_popescu;ah
1312495;1446267911;punkman;usually same demographic as the kids throwing rocks and molotovs at cops, not actual hungry people
1312496;1446267914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00054554 = 19.5849 BTC [+]
1312497;1446267977;punkman;v_diddy: congrats, καλορίζικο και καλοτάξιδο
1312498;1446268114;v_diddy;ty! and here's hoping.
1312499;1446268169;punkman;asciilifeform: a tenured prof is prolly the closest thing that presently exists in the western world to ~titled nobility~ << I don't buy it. Back when tenure was a thing, they wanted to keep professors around until parts started falling off. Now there's an endless stream of "professors", and gotta hire them so they can say "our PHDs get jobs"
1312500;1446268277;asciilifeform;punkman: where i live, tenure is still a thing. in that the courts have held it to be a perverse kind of nontransferable property interest
1312501;1446268283;asciilifeform;quite like nobility in the old days
1312502;1446268343;v_diddy;tenured professors can kill with impunity?
1312503;1446268383;asciilifeform;v_diddy: 'noble' meant very different things in different places.
1312504;1446268386;punkman;(kill == bad grades)
1312505;1446268423;asciilifeform;e.g., poland, where a good 7-10% of the place were, nominally, 'szlachta'
1312506;1446268500;asciilifeform;punkman: the folks who 'gotta hire endless stream' of are called 'instructors' here.
1312507;1446268514;asciilifeform;they are lower than dirt on the org chart.
1312508;1446269134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15009 @ 0.00054554 = 8.188 BTC [+]
1312509;1446269484;punkman;http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings
1312510;1446269485;assbot;On Trigger Warnings | AAUP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pb7EkS )
1312511;1446269622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36211 @ 0.00054594 = 19.769 BTC [+] {2} 
1312512;1446269683;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00054554 = 13.2021 BTC [-]
1312513;1446270110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45589 @ 0.00054649 = 24.9139 BTC [+] {2} 
1312514;1446270476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25445 @ 0.00054554 = 13.8813 BTC [-]
1312515;1446270659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00054554 = 5.4554 BTC [-]
1312516;1446270699;BingoBoingo;!up Chameleous
1312517;1446271418;mircea_popescu;" If you wanted to learn, you headed towards where the books were and the people who could read them and that meant the great universities like Paris and Oxford."
1312518;1446271420;mircea_popescu;ha-ha.
1312519;1446271430;mircea_popescu;it meant paris. what the fuck is this "oxford"
1312520;1446271450;mircea_popescu;derpy brits keep trying to retcon their insignificant island into things.
1312521;1446272681;punkman;mircea_popescu: oxford was never great?
1312522;1446272752;mircea_popescu;the thesis was whether oxford was there in the original wot. it was not.
1312523;1446272795;mircea_popescu;at the time the paris university was starting the entire university thing, the king of france wouldn't have traded a middling french province for all of england ; which also he didn't.
1312524;1446272883;mircea_popescu;at the time, the english were exactly like the 1600s scots (see their darien gap adventure). so they copied the bitcoin out of some idle kids and some peasants, which ended kloinking each other in the head.
1312525;1446272917;mircea_popescu;three centuries later the dutch conquered england, moved their fleet there and so yes oxford eventually flourished. but the claim that it was "there in the 13th century" is spurious.
1312526;1446273186;mircea_popescu;as a ready shorthand, remember that in 1400 the entire material production of the entire archipelago was worth about the same as that of one neighbourhood in milan.
1312527;1446273375;punkman;i see. pretty dense history lesson there
1312528;1446273484;mircea_popescu;the whole fantasy is very cs-scientist level of naive. read villon's testament - it should make it very plain what the point of university life was cca 1500 : THAT YOU COULD WALK IT.
1312529;1446273504;mircea_popescu;everyone had one, and you could walk from basel to luxembourg.
1312530;1446273531;mircea_popescu;this was immense - at the time a peasant who wanted to move, provided he somehow managed, had to fucking drag his entire possessions, on a rug. no wheels even, because too fucking techy for a peasant.
1312531;1446273541;mircea_popescu;whereas the vagabond could carry all his possessions in his head!
1312532;1446273565;mircea_popescu;THIS is why peasant chicks wistfully wisted for l'etudiant. because it is fucking fascinating, you are seriously telling me you can ~just go~ ?!?!?!
1312533;1446273579;mircea_popescu;how do you do that from oxford, you swim the channel or something ?
1312534;1446273593;mircea_popescu;england wasn't part of the party, not at that time.
1312535;1446273953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24109 @ 0.00054554 = 13.1524 BTC [-]
1312536;1446275661;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00054874 = 24.9128 BTC [+] {3} 
1312537;1446276149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6211 @ 0.00054966 = 3.4139 BTC [+]
1312538;1446276698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21617 @ 0.00054814 = 11.8491 BTC [-] {2} 
1312539;1446278135;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-victim-of-police-shooting/#comment-72125
1312540;1446278136;assbot;Billion Dollar Blimp Victim of Police Shooting | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GDlBqE )
1312541;1446281029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00055108 = 3.5269 BTC [+]
1312542;1446281677;punkman;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSjpr7sWcAA7f0j.png
1312543;1446281677;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyHZUo )
1312544;1446282676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00055058 = 15.6915 BTC [-]
1312545;1446284811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23728 @ 0.00054556 = 12.945 BTC [-] {2} 
1312546;1446286214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00055101 = 17.5221 BTC [+] {3} 
1312547;1446286275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00055175 = 8.2211 BTC [+]
1312548;1446287312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48084 @ 0.00055201 = 26.5428 BTC [+] {2} 
1312549;1446289472;jurov;i feel very dense now...v_diddy is sean combs? and you all congrat him for what?
1312550;1446289569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055031 = 5.0629 BTC [-]
1312551;1446289633;danielpbarron;it's ben_vulpes and it means he's a father
1312552;1446289707;jurov;lol
1312553;1446289874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36349 @ 0.00055204 = 20.0661 BTC [+]
1312554;1446290118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00055019 = 1.1818 BTC [-] {2} 
1312555;1446291924;jurov;mircea_popescu: in your quest for other non-derpy irc chans, have you tried #lisp?
1312556;1446292558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00054976 = 11.9023 BTC [-]
1312557;1446292680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00054976 = 12.562 BTC [-]
1312558;1446293046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00054617 = 20.3721 BTC [-] {2} 
1312559;1446293107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00054582 = 2.5654 BTC [-]
1312560;1446293656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.0005455 = 40.367 BTC [-] {3} 
1312561;1446294449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00055203 = 20.2871 BTC [+] {2} 
1312562;1446295608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39026 @ 0.00055269 = 21.5693 BTC [+] {2} 
1312563;1446296096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44091 @ 0.00055517 = 24.478 BTC [+] {3} 
1312564;1446296218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80875 @ 0.00055762 = 45.0975 BTC [+] {2} 
1312565;1446297415;shinohai;Felicidades v_diddy btw, had my head in the clouds the past few hours.
1312566;1446297456;shinohai;!up coinaday
1312567;1446297926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55122 @ 0.00055784 = 30.7493 BTC [+] {2} 
1312568;1446298571;punkman;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/feds-apple-must-still-unlock-iphone-5s-even-after-defendant-pled-guilty/ n/t
1312569;1446298572;assbot;After guilty plea, judge confused as to why prosecutors still want iPhone unlocked | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1RF2eO5 )
1312570;1446298719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00055799 = 20.7014 BTC [+]
1312571;1446298902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148750 @ 0.00055832 = 83.0501 BTC [+] {3} 
1312572;1446301270;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2015/10/wikileaks-honeypot-update.htm
1312573;1446301271;assbot;Wikileaks honeypot/SAIC whistlebreaker update ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mz33KH )
1312574;1446301294;asciilifeform;'Wikileaks is not offering a search of Cryptome - the files are hosted on their server as a honeypot for snatching user data for who knows what. There are subtle sneaky differences that give it away...'
1312575;1446301343;asciilifeform;http://www.pcworld.com/article/2999146/encryption/google-threatens-action-against-symantec-issued-certificates-following-botched-investigation.html << via same
1312576;1446301344;assbot;Google threatens action against Symantec-issued SSL certificates following botched investigation | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mz394P )
1312577;1446301586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10205 @ 0.00055473 = 5.661 BTC [-]
1312578;1446302196;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44970 @ 0.00054479 = 24.4992 BTC [-] {4} 
1312579;1446304068;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu didja know that it is impossible to produce a v-genesis for gnupg-1.4.10 ? it contains unprintable turds, yes ! e.g., the idiot 'localizators', po/*.gmo
1312580;1446304068;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1312581;1446304118;asciilifeform;and holy fuck, enough utf8 hieroglyphisms to kill five elephants
1312582;1446304124;asciilifeform;(all over the place)
1312583;1446304198;asciilifeform;where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ?
1312584;1446304949;asciilifeform;!up punkman
1312585;1446304972;punkman;asciilifeform: is that because of the LC_ALL=C in vdiff?
1312586;1446305089;asciilifeform;no such thing in there
1312587;1446305112;asciilifeform;but more generally, unix diff is NOT FOR BINARIES
1312588;1446305158;asciilifeform;('binary' for n00bz is a file containing so much as one octet with its eighth bit set)
1312589;1446305187;asciilifeform;funny how we keep having this thread.
1312590;1446305425;punkman;dunno, I have a lot of code with unicode strings/comments
1312591;1446305437;asciilifeform;that you wrote ?
1312592;1446305445;punkman;sure
1312593;1446305447;jurov;why shouldn't i be able to diff files with extended characters?
1312594;1446305485;asciilifeform;jurov: there are specially-made tools for this (see the screenshots on mircea_popescu's www in the phuctor 3-parter article re: what i used)
1312595;1446305485;phf;plan9's diff handles utf-8, the implicit decision here is that we're sticking to us-ascii
1312596;1446305532;asciilifeform;it is what civilized people use when they program a computer.
1312597;1446305532;punkman;also, wasn't LC_ALL=C needed for consistent ordering in diffs? I have it in mine
1312598;1446305560;asciilifeform;punkman: i specifically did not include it in my signed copy of 'vdiff' because it is a workaround for people with broken boxes.
1312599;1446305572;jurov;i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code
1312600;1446305574;asciilifeform;layering workarounds into the canon is precisely how we ended up with ball of shit.
1312601;1446305607;jurov;and my code inevitably contains some localized strings
1312602;1446305632;jurov;what workarounds?
1312603;1446305650;asciilifeform;see, if symbolics corp. had won the war and the notion of 'character' was not braindamagedly bound to 'octet' - we would not be having this conversation.
1312604;1446305688;asciilifeform;but it appears that all of the magic in the world did not suffice to retrofit a non-retarded notion of text onto unix
1312605;1446305691;jurov;so? it is now bound to longint with special encoding
1312606;1446305714;jurov;you know text was retarded from the very beginning
1312607;1446305721;asciilifeform;jurov: witness what unix proggies that try to be 'special encoding'-aware look like.
1312608;1446305725;asciilifeform;they look like garbage.
1312609;1446305728;jurov;it was defined as "what fits into gets buffer
1312610;1446305731;jurov;"
1312611;1446305734;asciilifeform;trailing multimegabyte mystery libs
1312612;1446305797;jurov;i understand but it does not mean it must be done that way
1312613;1446305830;asciilifeform;it goes to the heart of how unix works
1312614;1446305837;asciilifeform;streams operate bytewise
1312615;1446305864;asciilifeform;with no notion of structure.
1312616;1446305874;phf;jurov: problem is that there's no such thing as "any text file". a text file necessarily has an encoding, and your options are either standardize on an encoding (the way plan9 did it, with going all utf-8) or else carry massive machinery for supporting a range of encodings from utf-8 to shiftjis
1312617;1446305876;asciilifeform;it is quite basic to the concept, to the extent there ever was a concept behind it.
1312618;1446305902;asciilifeform;phf: even utf8 is a non-solution because there remain multiple glyph mappings
1312619;1446305911;asciilifeform;and the variadic encoding is intrinsically gnarly
1312620;1446305966;asciilifeform;now, a system with built-in notion of bignums (variable-length integers), e.g., lispm, does not suffer from any of this gnarl.
1312621;1446305970;asciilifeform;but we haven't such a thing.
1312622;1446306059;phf;utf-8 is a solution if you're ok iwth variadic encoding (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead), but the main issue is that full support of unicode is impossible withtout massive amounts of machinery. and you're going to butt head against the internal storage format and all the varieities of ucs-*, and ~then~ you're going to run into issues of normalization and multiple mappings and such
1312623;1446306073;jurov;sigh. code to convert utf8 stream to wide char and back is 50 lines. with diff, one can safely ignore everything else, other encoding, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars, etc.
1312624;1446306090;jurov;no need to pull huge libs
1312625;1446306110;asciilifeform;wide chars break unix.
1312626;1446306116;asciilifeform;sorry. i did not invent unix
1312627;1446306128;jurov;unix is broken by design
1312628;1446306133;asciilifeform;no shit.
1312629;1446306201;asciilifeform;as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box'
1312630;1446306214;asciilifeform;because it is inevitably a clusterfuck of complexity
1312631;1446306220;asciilifeform;i favour the old msdos solution instead
1312632;1446306232;jurov;well, you're bound to see your software broken by people who don't agree with you then
1312633;1446306242;phf;jurov: i'm actually just trying to bridge your position and ascii's since i'm pretty indifferent personally to outcome of the decision. i used to latex by typing funny us-ascii combinations to produce cyrillic metafont renderings, and i also am intimately familiar with what's involved in support "other encoding, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars", and it's a pita.
1312634;1446306246;jurov;msdos code pages? srs?
1312635;1446306249;asciilifeform;say jurov gotta see �i�ek printed correctly
1312636;1446306270;jurov;not just printed. i want to see diff working over it
1312637;1446306279;jurov;and it is not so complicated as you paint it
1312638;1446306287;asciilifeform;so he has a different set of glyphs above 0x80
1312639;1446306292;asciilifeform;and i have another.
1312640;1446306321;asciilifeform;jurov: the hard part is not diffing (diff readily diffs binaries)
1312641;1446306324;asciilifeform;the hard part is printing.
1312642;1446306325;asciilifeform;and parsing.
1312643;1446306406;jurov;why?
1312644;1446306425;jurov;printing is not your problem
1312645;1446306450;jurov;and in any other cases where you don't have to choose exact glyph printed, you can ignore 99% of unicode spec
1312646;1446306457;asciilifeform;jurov: go and find the src for gnu diff (it is in the logs) and see how much of the bulk and library load garbage is on account of non-latin.
1312647;1446306485;jurov;because they opted to do  other encodings, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars, etc.
1312648;1446306502;asciilifeform;jurov: so whatchawaiting for, write us a sane diff that behaves sanely on a typical unix box ?
1312649;1446306503;jurov;they can be ignored.. and you supposedly ignore this argument :(
1312650;1446306532;jurov;oh it won't behave sanely to your standars, anyway
1312651;1446306539;asciilifeform;why not ?
1312652;1446306698;jurov;"the variadic encoding is intrinsically gnarly" etc.
1312653;1446306738;asciilifeform;it is a severe impedance mismatch with the unix philosophy.
1312654;1446306775;asciilifeform;the merits of which are debatable, but a pure unix is a legitimate animal
1312655;1446306791;asciilifeform;while a unix with weird shit hanging off the side is not a woman, but a bloke with cock lopped off
1312656;1446306824;asciilifeform;jurov: do you own a copy of the lions book ?
1312657;1446306827;kakobrekla;more like a woman with strap on
1312658;1446306844;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#887121
1312659;1446306844;assbot;Logged on 22-10-2014 02:38:31; asciilifeform: othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf
1312660;1446306866;asciilifeform;ever wonder what is all of this RUBBISH that is in a typical unix that ISN'T found in the lions book ?
1312661;1446307004;jurov;you'er basically insisting that anyone who wants to do 8bit stuff in unix should sit themselves on a stake instead, or resort to ms-dos style wankery
1312662;1446307024;asciilifeform;not 8-bit stuff, jurov. varidic int stuff.
1312663;1446307027;asciilifeform;*variadic
1312664;1446307050;asciilifeform;they break streams! srsly
1312665;1446307073;asciilifeform;even something like character count is now O(N) !
1312666;1446307124;asciilifeform;but aside from this, it makes for 10-20x the lines of code for me to read.
1312667;1446307143;asciilifeform;and 10-20x as many gnarly crevices in which to hide off-by-ones, etc
1312668;1446307266;jurov;that shitgnomes use variadic encoding as a means to append bloat is not failure of said encoding. they'd find another outlet easily
1312669;1446307283;jurov;like the msdos cases, 8bit streams were preserver, but the rest was utter mess
1312670;1446307538;phf;jurov: variadic anywhere in your string handling machinery means that you no longer have a meaningful concept of string, i.e. nth printable character is an nth object in array, instead everything that you manipulate is a stream with a state machine attached. be that utf-8 at the encoding level, or ucs-4 at the storage level which brings in surrogates and supplementary characters
1312671;1446307564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00054807 = 12.2768 BTC [+]
1312672;1446307679;jurov;phf i proposed just ignore them
1312673;1446307692;phf;a typical solution is then, like you said, ignore 90% of unicode standard, which means that, instead of having a clean model to work with, you have a c++ solution of "we support this particular subset of c++, because the other parts we think are braindead"
1312674;1446307700;jurov;nope
1312675;1446307740;jurov;diff would compare just the entities and would expect normalized both inputs the same way
1312676;1446307757;jurov;the normalization, sorting, etc. would be done by other tool
1312677;1446307764;phf;oh, see..
1312678;1446307774;jurov;so diff would stay simple
1312679;1446307868;phf;i think the argument against that is that ascii is trying to build a b-a system starting with small tools out. if you're claiming to support unicode in your diff, that necessarily means that "done by other tool" is automatically included in the scope of future b-a work
1312680;1446307873;jurov;and "concept of string".. something has to give, in this case "string"===="byte array"
1312681;1446308008;punkman;diff works fine with utf-8 documents, doesn't it?
1312682;1446308120;jurov;punkman: yes because there's whole unicode machinery implemented which ppl rightfully abhor
1312683;1446308206;jurov;btw, that "string" = "byte array" thing, specifically people who like to do pointer arithmetic around it caused enough grief i won't miss it at all
1312684;1446308243;jurov;*every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include <string.h> it ended up by drawing stuff on paper
1312685;1446308352;phf;jurov: my personal concern is not "byte array" equivalency, but "object in array"
1312686;1446308400;phf;a=['e', '´'] vs b=['é']. a[0] != b[0]
1312687;1446308438;jurov;that's the braindamaged part, which should be dealt separately
1312688;1446308481;jurov;and such tgins existed before, consider a="\t" vs b="       "
1312689;1446308486;jurov;*things
1312690;1446308496;phf;wut
1312691;1446308524;jurov;you're expected to make it consistent before passing in to diff
1312692;1446308541;jurov;or use "ignore whitespaces" kludge
1312693;1446308548;jurov;same with normalization
1312694;1446308569;jurov;instead of adding kludge to diff, be it extra step
1312695;1446308576;phf;but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future
1312696;1446308661;phf;some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
1312697;1446308739;jurov;otherwise you have to keep stuff 8-bit clean throughout, is that better?
1312698;1446308845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00054901 = 11.7488 BTC [+] {2} 
1312699;1446308855;jurov;i mean, remove extended chars from everythign that goes in
1312700;1446308856;phf;jurov: that's a question to ascii, as far as "better". my point is that "us-ascii" vs "utf-8" in v/vdiff has greater implications
1312701;1446308867;jurov;ofc it has
1312702;1446308906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112150 @ 0.00054686 = 61.3303 BTC [-] {4} 
1312703;1446309020;phf;i personally prefer the lc_ctype=koi8-r solution, but that's because i'm a retrograde :p
1312704;1446309089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00054932 = 9.6131 BTC [+] {3} 
1312705;1446309125;jurov;around 2000 i had on my system files and filenames in cp852, koi8, iso8859-2 and cp1250 encodings... no thanks
1312706;1446309232;jurov;also as sysadmin had to configure samba to deal with them..nopenopenope. utf8 was definite improvement.
1312707;1446309243;punkman;there is no unicode machinery in diff
1312708;1446309314;phf;jurov: so did i, and i appreciate utf-8 in my music selection or random durp i download from the internet. i wouldn't care if there's some frequent surrogate issue with track file names, but i do care that i can't have a professional tool where that sort of questions have predictable, if not necessarily easy and fun answers
1312709;1446309323;asciilifeform;punkman: this is disingenously true
1312710;1446309331;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-08-2015#1245519 there is i18n which behaves as described here
1312711;1446309331;assbot;Logged on 20-08-2015 16:57:03; ascii_field: srsly, different sort order on different versions of 'diff' ?
1312712;1446309352;asciilifeform;http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/util.c << a good chunk of the complexity IS THERE BECAUSE characters are EVER variadic
1312713;1446309353;assbot;diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1P36dGM )
1312714;1446309369;asciilifeform;and yes, jurov found the diff thread
1312715;1446309378;asciilifeform;where we learned that yes, it is retarded in 1,001 ways
1312716;1446309391;asciilifeform;all of them traceable to variadic chars
1312717;1446309444;punkman;does it work with utf-16?
1312718;1446309456;*;asciilifeform is l0lzing over how we are replacing the asciilifeform vs mircea_popescu debate on udp, with jurov playing the part of asciilifeform and asciilifeform playing the part of mircea_popescu
1312719;1446309506;jurov;asciilifeform: i see thirs of the code dealing with various "ignore whitespace" kludges
1312720;1446309510;jurov;*third
1312721;1446309512;asciilifeform;punkman: it could work if no one were to ever use anything else. but the distinction between 'this is a binary blob and is to be cut into octets' vs 'this is a text blob and is to be cut into words' would remain
1312722;1446309538;punkman;why does diff need to know about words?
1312723;1446309558;asciilifeform;by 'words' i meant uint16_t's
1312724;1446309580;punkman;my guess is it doesn't work with utf16 because it can't find linebreaks
1312725;1446309584;asciilifeform;jurov: a good chunk of that complexity is on account of O(N) operations on strings made necessary by variads
1312726;1446309634;asciilifeform;i suppose this is not a bad time for one of my usual batshit monologues:
1312727;1446309635;jurov;can you point me to a line number? i fail to see it there
1312728;1446309653;asciilifeform;why do you think no one has to date succeeded in 'bonfire of the unix' ?
1312729;1446309663;asciilifeform;as in, cutting all the shitgnomatic crud until we have something like the lions book again ?
1312730;1446309676;asciilifeform;the reason is that every time the surgeon begins to cut, he sees 'inoperable tumour'
1312731;1446309696;asciilifeform;every time you stick in the knife, somebody says 'NOOOOOO! this is NECESSARY complexity...!'
1312732;1446309707;asciilifeform;'I'M JWZ AND I JUST WANT SHIT TO WURK!'
1312733;1446309743;jurov;would bitcoin run on the lions book system?
1312734;1446309752;asciilifeform;depends.
1312735;1446309801;asciilifeform;therealbitcoin, as we have it, makes minimal use of gnarly unixisms. but its dependencies (incl. gcc and the toolchain) are another matter.
1312736;1446309821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00054867 = 5.0478 BTC [-]
1312737;1446309883;phf;could crosscompile the core, but openssl/boost, i don't even imagine the scope of that one
1312738;1446309956;phf;actually i don't think v6 has threads
1312739;1446310009;asciilifeform;phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6
1312740;1446310133;*;phf puts back his lion's copy
1312741;1446310553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8299 @ 0.0005494 = 4.5595 BTC [+]
1312742;1446310980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14493 @ 0.0005494 = 7.9625 BTC [+]
1312743;1446311590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38577 @ 0.00054805 = 21.1421 BTC [-] {5} 
1312744;1446311895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8598 @ 0.00054813 = 4.7128 BTC [+]
1312745;1446314211;asciilifeform;jurov awake ?
1312746;1446314223;jurov;yes?
1312747;1446314230;asciilifeform;could you plz check turdatron ?
1312748;1446314245;asciilifeform;it ate my shit, for the 1,001th time.
1312749;1446314421;asciilifeform;this is REALLY getting old.
1312750;1446314431;jurov;yes, i'm doing it on purpose
1312751;1446314443;*;asciilifeform not blaming jurov 
1312752;1446315060;mircea_popescu;actually as frustrating as it is, iirc there was always a good reason
1312753;1446315145;*;asciilifeform got tired, and,
1312754;1446315146;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533
1312755;1446315150;assbot;Loper OS » MPI sans the mud. ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0WdBf )
1312756;1446315155;asciilifeform;^^^ mircea_popescu et al ^^^
1312757;1446315181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah.
1312758;1446315228;mircea_popescu;ie, yes, i knew.
1312759;1446315232;asciilifeform;kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying a blessed version of the package.
1312760;1446315245;mircea_popescu;o.O
1312761;1446315250;mircea_popescu;what is this, capitalist merit ?
1312762;1446315252;asciilifeform;and many anti-kudos to the authors of the package for making me do what i had to do.
1312763;1446315385;asciilifeform;errata. item 4 should say '(1), (2), and (3)' instead of '(1) and (2)'.
1312764;1446315417;mircea_popescu;lol funny how this happens.
1312765;1446315457;mircea_popescu;jurov haven't, no.
1312766;1446315542;jurov;asciilifeform ok, nm, on it
1312767;1446315559;asciilifeform;jurov: no worries, already posted.
1312768;1446315562;asciilifeform;to my www.
1312769;1446315627;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 << reload page for errata section.
1312770;1446315628;assbot;Loper OS » MPI sans the mud. ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0WdBf )
1312771;1446315650;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312574 << if the "there are subtle" were actually a specific list, i would be much more convinced.
1312772;1446315650;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 14:21:34; asciilifeform: 'Wikileaks is not offering a search of Cryptome - the files are hosted on their server as a honeypot for snatching user data for who knows what. There are subtle sneaky differences that give it away...'
1312773;1446315658;mircea_popescu;as it is - cryptome is the whistlebreaking device.
1312774;1446315682;asciilifeform;could easily both serve hitler.
1312775;1446315682;mircea_popescu;and that what they attempt to do with the recently stolen item is to try and muddy up wikileaks is, at least to my eyes informative.
1312776;1446315697;mircea_popescu;a) they know the secret is out, so this candle is burning - gotta use it NOW for maximum impact
1312777;1446315702;mircea_popescu;b) they still hate assange.
1312778;1446315719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a huge wall of fire between easily and probably.
1312779;1446315747;mircea_popescu;an ufo chock full of partying alien sluts on alien spring break could ~easily~ land in brooklyn too
1312780;1446315770;*;asciilifeform expected mircea_popescu to make this observation.
1312781;1446315786;mircea_popescu;good for you, shows your ties to sanity are strong :D
1312782;1446315804;asciilifeform;except that i'm not convinced that cryptome was ever a human thing
1312783;1446315809;asciilifeform;and didn't always serve hitler.
1312784;1446315858;mircea_popescu;i never really followed it.
1312785;1446315866;mircea_popescu;i suppose the people who inform me also didn't think much of it.
1312786;1446315918;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312583 << the point is not that they exist. the point is that nsa decided cca 1990 that IN THE FUTURE tm/r it WANTS them to exist.
1312787;1446315918;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 15:09:58; asciilifeform: where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ?
1312788;1446315921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00055338 = 22.2735 BTC [+] {5} 
1312789;1446315942;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be great if you couldn't read azn code because "if" was written in coolie ?
1312790;1446315958;mircea_popescu;back then they still hoped china might be just a sort of magical closet.
1312791;1446315967;mircea_popescu;and it was important to separate the cowstumers from the coolies.
1312792;1446316004;asciilifeform;actually it mostly ~is~ a closet. 99.999% of the cn code publicly known on the net (in any attributable way) is wincrud.
1312793;1446316045;asciilifeform;the kind entirely unusable anywhere sane at all.
1312794;1446316048;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312599 << unicode is not text.
1312795;1446316048;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 15:32:52; jurov: i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code
1312796;1446316083;mod6;asciilifeform thx for posting the MPI stuff.
1312797;1446316085;mircea_popescu;text means a very specific thing. latin alphabet. nothing else. if you'd rather work with 文本, work with 文本.
1312798;1446316097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah.
1312799;1446316327;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312718 << replaying.
1312800;1446316327;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 16:37:36; *: asciilifeform is l0lzing over how we are replacing the asciilifeform vs mircea_popescu debate on udp, with jurov playing the part of asciilifeform and asciilifeform playing the part of mircea_popescu
1312801;1446316333;asciilifeform;argh.
1312802;1446316342;mircea_popescu;lol
1312803;1446316349;*;asciilifeform is a 2-pass compiler apparently
1312804;1446316389;mircea_popescu;explain this to me. what the fuck is a "sane notion of text" ?
1312805;1446316399;mircea_popescu;just because you can elegantly package idiocy in sexpr does not alter what text is
1312806;1446316418;mircea_popescu;and just because you can't see where this problem breaks shit down from where you sit doesn't mean it's not gonna. it will.
1312807;1446316421;asciilifeform;one that fits will into the architecture of the machine.
1312808;1446316427;jurov;meh. i'll believe you both when you in the names of simplicity, shot "ignore whitespaces" too.
1312809;1446316427;asciilifeform;and yes, this is bidirectional.
1312810;1446316431;mircea_popescu;this is entirely beyond the fucking point.
1312811;1446316443;mircea_popescu;a badly defined notion CAN NEVER fit well into a machine
1312812;1446316451;mircea_popescu;no matter how elegant the pretense can be made to appear.
1312813;1446316472;mircea_popescu;jurov da fuck is "ignore whitespaces" ?
1312814;1446316508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'text' is merely a subprogram for a program that displays glyphs. any other definition is braindamaged and will have to be paid for, again and again, until replaced with a sane one.
1312815;1446316532;mircea_popescu;no.
1312816;1446316565;mircea_popescu;and i will ritously say this is americanism at its finest. "oh, i like this girl, what need of her fambly ? we'll just live together under a blanked of sky, alone, like those two kids in the chinese myth!".
1312817;1446316576;mircea_popescu;"oh, hurr, i kinda like the bible and my name is john smith".
1312818;1446316585;mircea_popescu;this is not how things fgucking work. text means latin.
1312819;1446316613;asciilifeform;should we also abolish case?
1312820;1446316615;asciilifeform;punctuation ?
1312821;1446316625;mircea_popescu;no, you shgouldn't have abolished case.
1312822;1446316633;asciilifeform;(rome lacked either)
1312823;1446316641;jurov;mircea_popescu: "ignore whitespaces" is half of the source alf posted me as example
1312824;1446316643;mircea_popescu;just because bunches of barbarians "do without" the ablative doesn't mean they can fucking think in their pigdin
1312825;1446316653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i beg your pardon ?!
1312826;1446316655;asciilifeform;nono, upper/lower case
1312827;1446316680;mircea_popescu;you mean in iconography ?
1312828;1446316686;asciilifeform;aha
1312829;1446316688;asciilifeform;glyphs
1312830;1446316702;mircea_popescu;i count myself fortunate you don't know about j/g
1312831;1446316717;*;asciilifeform knows about j and v/u
1312832;1446316725;mircea_popescu;what shall we do ;/
1312833;1446316743;asciilifeform;l0l
1312834;1446316791;asciilifeform;anyway the reason to have a sane notion of text and glyphs is not so that coolies can write hieroglyphs but so that one can speak of mathematics.
1312835;1446316795;asciilifeform;(if no other reason is needed.)
1312836;1446316809;*;mircea_popescu fumes
1312837;1446316813;asciilifeform;but on unix we can't really have this conversation at all.
1312838;1446316823;asciilifeform;we are in afghan, making kalash from umbrella.
1312839;1446316824;mircea_popescu;you god damned mathematician folk and your insane demands of language.
1312840;1446316833;mircea_popescu;damn you all to hell and eternal torment!
1312841;1446316839;*;asciilifeform already there
1312842;1446316853;*;asciilifeform spins on stake
1312843;1446316855;mircea_popescu;should have taken a god fearting major like the letters.
1312844;1446316877;asciilifeform;eh i'd be spewing greek then
1312845;1446316879;asciilifeform;same problem.
1312846;1446316890;mircea_popescu;im going to have breakfast before i pop a vein
1312847;1446316906;*;asciilifeform wanders off in the direction of pet
1312848;1446317019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00055465 = 16.584 BTC [+]
1312849;1446317385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87250 @ 0.00055563 = 48.4787 BTC [+] {3} 
1312850;1446317529;v_diddy;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312555 << very educational to watch drmeister and co hammer on clasp
1312851;1446317529;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 11:45:24; jurov: mircea_popescu: in your quest for other non-derpy irc chans, have you tried #lisp?
1312852;1446318064;mircea_popescu;maybe when i retire i'll learn to lisp.
1312853;1446318160;jurov;v_diddy: my late congrats!
1312854;1446318179;mircea_popescu;he said late ha ha *snort*
1312855;1446318844;v_diddy;aahuehuaehuaehuahahaehua
1312856;1446318850;v_diddy;thanks jurov
1312857;1446318971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.0005486 = 11.2189 BTC [-] {3} 
1312858;1446319398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55550 @ 0.00055573 = 30.8708 BTC [+]
1312859;1446319703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00055572 = 5.5294 BTC [-] {2} 
1312860;1446320313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13576 @ 0.00055606 = 7.5491 BTC [+] {2} 
1312861;1446320496;deedbot-;[Trilema] The quest ; and its resolution - http://trilema.com/2015/the-quest-and-its-resolution/
1312862;1446321594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00055642 = 8.0403 BTC [+]
1312863;1446322822;mircea_popescu;(though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead) << al lyou need to know is that it's what seems to have been left standing once the pain of "gotta support bullshit" washed off.
1312864;1446322898;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312629 << hey, i nullrouted orc glyphs in romanian text! not even computing, literature.
1312865;1446322898;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:21; asciilifeform: as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box'
1312866;1446322928;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312632 << once they broke it it's no longer mine, it's theirs.
1312867;1446322928;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:52; jurov: well, you're bound to see your software broken by people who don't agree with you then
1312868;1446323058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00055684 = 35.2758 BTC [+] {4} 
1312869;1446326724;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/a5afc14bea4f9e01092fe5b598c8d5d1/tumblr_n9mvwceO5b1s4dm6ao1_500.gif
1312870;1446326725;assbot; ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzAih1 )
1312871;1446327030;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312684 << you are not the only one.
1312872;1446327030;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 16:17:23; jurov: *every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include <string.h> it ended up by drawing stuff on paper
1312873;1446327055;*;mircea_popescu has said "AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST!!!1 separate this mess into string.h and non-string.h god damned it!!1"
1312874;1446327074;mircea_popescu;"localization" makes even office fucking management a nightmare.
1312875;1446327268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00055117 = 15.4603 BTC [-]
1312876;1446327271;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot.
1312877;1446327271;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 16:35:52; asciilifeform: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/util.c << a good chunk of the complexity IS THERE BECAUSE characters are EVER variadic
1312878;1446327772;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Success I guess? http://dpaste.com/3WH9Q58
1312879;1446327774;assbot;dpaste: 3WH9Q58 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkqO73 )
1312880;1446327774;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1312881;1446327800;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312739 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312731
1312882;1446327800;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 16:46:49; asciilifeform: phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6
1312883;1446327800;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 16:41:36; asciilifeform: every time you stick in the knife, somebody says 'NOOOOOO! this is NECESSARY complexity...!'
1312884;1446327807;mircea_popescu;i has lulzed enough to last me the month.
1312885;1446327817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38957 @ 0.00055172 = 21.4934 BTC [+] {2} 
1312886;1446327955;mircea_popescu;re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project.
1312887;1446327963;mircea_popescu;it mighgt even tie in with the phuctor.
1312888;1446328153;mod6;shinohai: yeah, looks like it worked.  thanks!
1312889;1446328499;shinohai;next stop Ubuntu
1312890;1446328671;mod6;thx1
1312891;1446328702;shinohai;np, glad to be back on track
1312892;1446329476;jurov;asciilifeform: sadly i don't have your message because it started eating the bounces for yet unknown reason
1312893;1446329503;mircea_popescu;you clearly don't feed that thing enough.
1312894;1446329547;jurov;spam isn't as nutritional as i thought, seems
1312895;1446329593;jurov;you're welcome to resend it to juraj@coinbr.com or otherwise publish
1312896;1446329953;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55050 @ 0.00055228 = 30.403 BTC [+] {3} 
1312897;1446330563;mircea_popescu;"Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes.  No hyperlink.  No free access.  Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet.  Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original paper and immediately
1312898;1446330564;mircea_popescu;see it?  Because: 2. It will turn out to be actually insane, and the only part of the reference that will support the statement will be the title."
1312899;1446330582;mircea_popescu;hence http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
1312900;1446330583;assbot;How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRVDzE )
1312901;1446330610;mircea_popescu;aka "any claim as to science or studies done made in english, or by a libtard, or in support of notions not found in the literature of 1800 is to be dismissed out of hand."
1312902;1446332026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.00055417 = 4.3996 BTC [+]
1312903;1446332697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24795 @ 0.00055843 = 13.8463 BTC [+]
1312904;1446333034;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_field
1312905;1446333088;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312876 << as symbolics lispm console was !!
1312906;1446333088;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 21:34:31; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot.
1312907;1446333099;deedbot-;[Qntra] US DoD Extracts Guilty Pleas From Mom and Pop Competitors - http://qntra.net/2015/10/us-dod-extracts-guilty-pleas-from-mom-and-pop-competitors/
1312908;1446333124;ascii_field;it by itself was a pretty fast 16bit comp with multiple cpu !
1312909;1446333174;ascii_field;see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304222
1312910;1446333174;assbot;Logged on 21-10-2015 00:56:46; asciilifeform: connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable
1312911;1446333185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00055746 = 19.7898 BTC [-] {3} 
1312912;1446333292;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312886 << what if i admitted to having extracted it...
1312913;1446333292;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project.
1312914;1446333374;ascii_field;(deliberately not released with the mpi, because imho they are separate concerns)
1312915;1446333437;ascii_field;there are 3 separate rng subsystems in gpg 1.4 - but more on this later)
1312916;1446333527;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312884 << yknow, if you want at&t sysv for pc, you can have! some nut ported...
1312917;1446333527;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 21:43:27; mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month.
1312918;1446333551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18485 @ 0.0005587 = 10.3276 BTC [+] {2} 
1312919;1446333747;ascii_field;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312897 << death to copyrasty
1312920;1446333747;assbot;Logged on 31-10-2015 22:29:23; mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes.  No hyperlink.  No free access.  Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet.  Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original pap
1312921;1446333810;ascii_field;but i thought mircea_popescu ~liked~ paywalls...?
1312922;1446333832;ascii_field;or only likes his?
1312923;1446334179;BingoBoingo;!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.peterl.1:0a8a8858ddc91f3e623eaa68eb5a4aa37e77c9a8840c191ff70fb388b75c88e1
1312924;1446334179;assbot;Successfully added a rating of 1 for peterl with note: writes stuff on occasion.
1312925;1446335077;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they are separate concerns.
1312926;1446335092;mircea_popescu;also one of those things hwere more work (esp by students) is never wasted
1312927;1446335097;mircea_popescu;such as computing pi or measuring h
1312928;1446335145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i also like cocks (mine) and women (my own) and so on.
1312929;1446335401;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "granted immunity to former detective Austin, Texas police detective Charles Kleinert "
1312930;1446335450;BingoBoingo;fck, fxd
1312931;1446335495;BingoBoingo;Dependopotami are real
1312932;1446335497;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/QJlVT
1312933;1446335498;assbot;MFW my husband asks me if I'll work out while he's deployed. : TrollXChromosomes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WnLG46 )
1312934;1446335858;mircea_popescu;multicultural studies : poppedia.es : "Naomi Klein (nacida en Montreal, Canad�, el 8 de mayo de 1970) es una periodista e investigadora canadiense de gran influencia en el movimiento antiglobalizaci�n y el socialismo democr�tico" ; poppedia.en : "Naomi Klein (born May 8, 1970) is a Canadian author, social activist, and filmmaker known for her political analyses and criticism of corporate globalization and of corpora
1312935;1446335859;mircea_popescu;te capitalism."
1312936;1446335868;mircea_popescu;why are the spanishtards so unsophisticated ?
1312937;1446335937;mircea_popescu;and it goes into weird from there, "tercera via" is a thing for the spanishtards
1312938;1446335988;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, they omit versioning for good reason. ceausescu's aparatchicks also had a "third way", like did the russians, like the peronisto-kirscherists, cuba is in its very own tercera via like is korea like is venezuela like that native midget what's his name sinking peru etc.